Smoking Gun Time: Donald Trump Jr. Posts Emails on His Russia Meeting

Clear evidence of attempted collusion with a foreign power during the campaign
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So this morning after the New York Times informed Donald Trump Jr. they were going to publish the emails he exchanged with “music publicist” Roger Goldstone, setting up his meeting with Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, Trump Jr. (probably on advice from his new criminal defense lawyer) posted the entire email exchange on Twitter.

Trump Jr.’s lawyer, as we pointed out yesterday, has defended several members of organized crime families in New York, and one would assume those criminals probably knew better than to document their schemes in email. But Donald Trump Jr. obviously believes he’s above the law, and posted these emails even though they prove beyond a doubt that he intended to collude with Russian sources to obtain damaging information about his father’s political opponent, Hillary Clinton.

And even though they prove beyond a doubt that he and other Trump campaign figures, including Mike Pence, publicly lied numerous times that there had never been any such contacts.

Trump Jr.’s response to the promise of damaging info on Clinton: “I love it!”

Perhaps the most amazing part of these emails is the open statement from Goldstone that the hacked information they promised to Junior was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

That’s what’s known as a “smoking gun,” folks.

Here are the tweets from Trump Jr.

And since he posted those out of order, the New York Times thoughtfully republished them in chronological order.

Trump Jr. and his Fox News apologists are trying to spin this today as ordinary “oppo research,” just the normal kind of thing every politician does. But that’s absolutely ridiculous, of course; real oppo researchers don’t collude with foreign powers to get dirt on opponents. The proper response to being approached for a meeting like this at the behest of the Russian government would have been to immediately call the FBI and report it.

As I’ve said several times now, the idea that Junior never even mentioned this meeting to his father simply doesn’t pass the smell test. Donald Trump is a micro-manager, and his sons are the ultimate sycophants. I think eventually we’re going to find out that Trump had full knowledge and approved of this meeting. And probably others as well.

UPDATE at 7/11/17 11:07:44 am by Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:06:00am
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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:07:36am

The Crown Prosecutor of Russia.

Almost as well known as the Czarina of Tokyo

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piratedan  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:08:13am

you know… maybe.. just maybe, these people really are as venal and stupid as they appear to be. Enabled by a lifetime of sycophants attending to their every word, be it in public or the media simply because they got rich screwing other people over and our judicial process being weighted towards them have enabled them to really think that they’re better
than everyone else….

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:08:21am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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That means Donald Jr will have to be in time out for five minutes and maybe he won’t get a piece of chocolate cake for dessert.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:08:40am

FYI: The fucking turtle McConnell is delaying the August recess for 3 weeks so they have more time to work on stripping healthcare from Americans.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:08:44am

haha

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b.d.  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:09:40am

re: #6 Stanley Sea

haha

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lol

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:09:48am

re: #6 Stanley Sea

haha

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Ha!

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Teukka  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:10:29am

re: #6 Stanley Sea

haha

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Yeah. Right.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:10:43am
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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:11:06am
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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:11:10am

re: #6 Stanley Sea

delayed until next year due to scheduling conflict

They couldn’t figure out a way to schedule around the protesters.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:11:59am
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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:11:59am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:12:06am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

I think eventually we’re going to find out that Trump had full knowledge and approved of this meeting.

I’d be willing to wager that’s the next shoe to drop.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:12:07am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

For a so-called Master of the Universe, DJT certainly doesn’t know much about the day to day operations of those around him.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:12:27am

re: #6 Stanley Sea

haha

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Maybe this is why!

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:12:54am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

“Oh, my goodness’ is a personal favorite.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:13:09am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:13:39am

re: #13 jaunte

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Warner has been making me so proud on this. He’s been great.

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:13:49am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:13:59am

re: #18 (Bert the Turtle)

“Oh, my goodness’ is a personal favorite.

I liked the one Hatch had for Trump’s attack on Mika.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:14:36am

re: #2 Kragar

The Crown Prosecutor of Russia.

Almost as well known as the Czarina of Tokyo

Heh. I’d chalk that up to a linguistics gaffe……..the UK has “Crown Prosectors” whereas Russia has a Prosecutor General (much like the American AG) and he just used the British English equivalent, not appreciating the terminological differences between US/UK English.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:15:35am
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BigPapa  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:16:15am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:16:17am

re: #24 Stanley Sea

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Hamilton had a lot of flaws but in the end, he was a patriot. Trump and his assholes are the antithesis of patriotism.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:17:17am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

They’re pirates.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:18:00am

re: #27 jaunte

They’re pirates.

That’s not fair to the pirates. They’re treasonous assholes who only care about themselves.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:18:06am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

GOP lawmaker: Trump Jr. Russia meeting is a “big no-no” thehill.com pic.twitter.com

— The Hill

Senator Hatch says no big deal. Irrelevant!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:18:38am

We’re going to be asked down the road how we could have elected Trump. You and I knew better but too many of our fellow Americans did not or drew a false equivalence with Clinton and Trump.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:19:41am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

We’re going to be asked down the road how we could have elected Trump. You and I knew better but too many of our fellow Americans did not or drew a false equivalence with Clinton and Trump.

Hell, you’re going to get asked that this summer. I sure did the one conversation that veered into politics at the wedding.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:20:29am
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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:21:13am

P for pirate.

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garzooma  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:21:58am
I think eventually we’re going to find out that Trump had full knowledge and approved of this meeting.

There is this nugget from the previous thread showing Trump after the meeting was set up saying he was about to reveal some big news on Hillary.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:22:03am

re: #32 jaunte

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I’d like to see the pee tape edited into an episode of Russia’s Funniest Videos.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:23:11am

re: #32 jaunte

Hannity, 3 weeks from now “Look, it’s not a crime to pay someone to do that to a hotel bed! It’s part of every campaign!”

Also Hannity, three weeks from now: “To prove how transparent and honest I am, here’s a video of me being pegged by a hooker with a strap-on!”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:23:23am
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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:23:28am

The “pop star” Emin just hired an atty.

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piratedan  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:23:48am

re: #33 jaunte

hey now!

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:24:16am

The Donny Junior-Russia meeting was at 4:00 p.m. on June 9.

They have been saying the meeting lasted about 30 minutes.

Trump’s very first comment about Clinton emails was a tweet at 4:40 p.m. on June 9.

Daddy was in the loop.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:24:39am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

“Homeowner Foils Arsonist By Torching Self, Family.”

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:25:06am

re: #40 Dr. Matt

The Donny Junior-Russia meeting was at 4:00 p.m. on June 9.

They have been saying the meeting lasted about 30 minutes.

Trump’s very first comment about Clinton emails was a tweet at 4:40 p.m. on June 9.

Daddy was in the loop.

Damn skippy he was in on it.

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Teukka  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:25:27am

re: #38 Stanley Sea

The “pop star” Emin just hired an atty.

[question type=rhethorical]
At what point will there be a criminal defense atty shortage in NYC / NY State?
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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:25:45am

re: #6 Stanley Sea

That scheduling conflict is the anticipated impeachment trial in the Senate, in which Trump intends to represent himself.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:25:46am

re: #38 Stanley Sea

The “pop star” Emin just hired an atty.

What a time to be alive, you guys.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:25:58am

re: #43 Teukka

[question type=rhethorical]
At what point will there be a criminal defense atty shortage in NYC / NY State?
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Sometime in the next couple of weeks at the rate things are going.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:26:21am

re: #43 Teukka

[question type=rhethorical]
At what point will there be a criminal defense atty shortage in NYC / NY State?
[/question]

A few years from now statistics classes will study the spike in law school applications in 2017.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:26:22am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

We’re going to be asked down the road how we could have elected Trump. You and I knew better but too many of our fellow Americans did not or drew a false equivalence with Clinton and Trump.

Heh, been there done that. But I opened w/ what kinda fuckin’ moron voted for Donald ‘fuckin’ Trump. I couldn’t help myself, & a bunch of ‘em did.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:26:24am

re: #31 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Hell, you’re going to get asked that this summer. I sure did the one conversation that veered into politics at the wedding.

Yep. I know it. Leaving in two weeks btw, woot!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:26:30am

re: #24 Stanley Sea

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Cheyney would have just shot Hamilton in the face and it would have been hushed up…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:27:25am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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Hoft has somehow gotten more stupid without Obama to whine about:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:27:39am

My reaction upon checking the news this morning….

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:28:41am

re: #44 KGxvi

That scheduling conflict is the anticipated impeachment trial in the Senate, in which Trump intends to represent himself.

I’d expect a Sideshow Bob confession but with it being Trump, he’d probably confess to something else.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:29:03am

re: #50 Joe Bacon 🌹

Cheyney would have just shot Hamilton in the face and it would have been hushed up…

Hamilton would have had to apologize for stepping into the line of fire.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:29:44am
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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:30:13am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

“Gunman Beats Police Announcement by Waving Smoking Gun in Front of Dead Body”

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:30:18am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:30:34am

re: #54 Blind Frog Belly White

Hamilton would have had to apologize for stepping into the line of fire.

Even if he had to be brought back from the dead to apologize.

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:31:08am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:31:23am

re: #55 Charles Johnson

“Yeah but all our statements since—looks at watch—this morning are 100% accurate.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:32:19am

Honest to god, this whole year has been like a test of the principles of the GOP. Every day, a new low. Every day, another excuse.

Imagine if you could show them, two years ago, what they’d be defending today.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:32:36am

re: #40 Dr. Matt

The Donny Junior-Russia meeting was at 4:00 p.m. on June 9.

They have been saying the meeting lasted about 30 minutes.

Trump’s very first comment about Clinton emails was a tweet at 4:40 p.m. on June 9.

Daddy was in the loop.

And I won’t be surprised if it turns out that DJT actually popped in to the meeting.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:32:40am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:32:57am

re: #56 KGxvi

“Gunman Beats Police Announcement by Waving Smoking Gun in Front of Dead Body”

“Drug Dealer Beats Police Announcement by Showing Off 200 kilo Cocaine Stash to Local Media”.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:33:41am

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

Honest to god, this whole year has been like a test of the principles of the GOP. Every day, a new low. Every day, another excuse.

Imagine if you could show them, two years ago, what they’d be defending today.

It’s times like this I really miss our favorite GOP apologist because I’d be so tempted to see him try to excuse the leadership’s silence on this.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:33:51am

re: #63 Stanley Sea

“Like a true Trump would, he released his tax returns collusion emails voluntarily not under duress right before they were made public.”

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:33:52am

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

Honest to god, this whole year has been like a test of the principles of the GOP. Every day, a new low. Every day, another excuse.

Imagine if you could show them, two years ago, what they’d be defending today.

wait, so you’re saying we’d have control of both houses of Congress and the White House? … What? I’m thinking about it!

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:33:59am

re: #59 Kragar

Again, people only act like this when they know there are no consequences.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:34:00am

re: #63 Stanley Sea

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Uh huh.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:34:14am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:34:27am

re: #63 Stanley Sea

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Next, she’ll speak of the wonderful opportunities for the Trump Administration, here at the intersection of organic fertilizer and ventilation.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:34:40am

re: #64 Dr Lizardo

“Drug Dealer Beats Police Announcement by Showing Off 200 kilo Cocaine Stash to Local Media”.

This might be a fun new game…

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:34:42am

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

Honest to god, this whole year has been like a test of the principles of the GOP. Every day, a new low. Every day, another excuse.

Imagine if you could show them, two years ago, what they’d be defending today.

GOP: Hold our beer

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:34:57am

Dammitall!

Toiling away CL-like in the previous thread. I wanna post this again.

- - -

re: #452 Interesting Times (Previous Thread)

Oooh…here’s an intriguing theory to say the least (see whole thread):

Melissa McEwan ✔ @Shakestweetz
That’s incredibly worrying. Putin didn’t get exactly what he wanted (i.e. lifted sanctions), so here’s a shot over the bow at Don Jr.
12:11 PM - 11 Jul 2017
72 72 Retweets 224 224 likes

And if this is a hit on Trump Junior it may also be a signal to Trump Sr. something very similar is likely to happen to him too.

Wasn’t there news just yesterday about Trump admin people pushing Republicans about dropping some of the items in the Senate Russian Sanction bill they are trying to pass?

And maybe the Senate knows it too. This may be a way to bring this all to a head for Putin and Donnie.

This may be a race to see if Trump can stop the sanctions before Putin pulls a ‘reveal’ on him too. Hmmm. Pee pee tape time?

Damn…this is all getting good. Donny Junior mashed the go-faster pedal on this whole thing.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:34:58am

re: #67 KGxvi

wait, so you’re saying we’d have control of both houses of Congress and the White House? … What? I’m thinking about it!

And that ultimately is the only thing that matters to them. Goddamnit, I’ve never liked the GOP at all but you know what, I always thought until fairly recently that they were concerned about our country.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:35:04am

re: #67 KGxvi

wait, so you’re saying we’d have control of both houses of Congress and the White House? … What? I’m thinking about it!

Sadly, yeah.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:35:24am

re: #63 Stanley Sea

This is like one of those professional sportsball team owners saying “Coach [insert name] has my full confidence.”

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:35:33am

re: #63 Stanley Sea

SHS statement from POTUS on Don Jr: “my son is a high quality person and I applaud his transparency.”
— Jim Acosta (@Acosta) July 11, 2017

I would be pretty fucking pissed if my father called me “high quality”. My Chrysler is “high quality”. My 21 year old MaCallan is “high quality”. My new wood floors are “high quality”. Fucking imbeciles.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:35:41am

I guess Daddy doesn’t know what transparency is. Transparency would be letting the authorities know about the Russians as soon as it happened.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:36:12am

re: #78 Dr. Matt

I would be pretty fucking pissed if my father called me “high quality”. My Chrysler is “high quality”. My 21 year of MaCallan is “high quality”. My new wood floors are “high quality”. Fucking imbeciles.

He doesn’t know how to talk without sounding like a fuckwit.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:36:21am

re: #3 piratedan

you know… maybe.. just maybe, these people really are as venal and stupid as they appear to be. Enabled by a lifetime of sycophants attending to their every word, be it in public or the media simply because they got rich screwing other people over and our judicial process being weighted towards them have enabled them to really think that they’re better
than everyone else….

I prefer to call it natural balance. A karmic payback for being assholes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:36:22am

re: #64 Dr Lizardo

“Drug Dealer Beats Police Announcement by Showing Off 200 kilo Cocaine Stash to Local Media”.

“Hey, if this were REALLY cocaine, would I be showing it to you?”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:37:14am

re: #82 Blind Frog Belly White

“Hey, if this were REALLY cocaine, would I be showing it to you?”

I thought the cop was a prostitute

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:37:32am
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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:37:57am

re: #57 wrenchwench

i wonder if the push to keep senate in sesh comes from worry that window w/ trump is closing.

I’ve said it before - the entire campaign had a smell about it that they were always trying to outrun something, that they were rushing to consolidate power before the law caught up.

Turtle must be freaking out that they’ve gotten so close, but Trump family tweeting habits might just bring the whole thing crashing down.

McConnell, probably: ‘And I’d have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for that meddlesome kid and his emails!’

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:38:17am
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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:38:31am

re: #6 Stanley Sea

haha

Reuters Politics ✔ @ReutersPolitics
JUST IN: Trump’s planned 2017 state visit to UK delayed until next year due to scheduling conflict - senior U.S. official
1:51 PM - 11 Jul 2017
161 161 Retweets 209 209 likes

Here is hoping that meeting never happens in one year. Oh, it may be with someone else…but maybe not Donny.

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gocart mozart  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:39:39am
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Teukka  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:39:48am

re: #70 jaunte

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:40:25am

re: #79 HappyWarrior

I guess Daddy doesn’t know what transparency is. Transparency would be letting the authorities know about the Russians as soon as it happened.

Trumps are indeed ‘transparent’…

We can see right through them.

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:40:28am

re: #85 makeitstop

I’ve said it before - the entire campaign had a smell about it that they were always trying to outrun something, that they were rushing to consolidate power before the law caught up.

Turtle must be freaking out that they’ve gotten so close, but Trump family tweeting habits might just bring the whole thing crashing down.

McConnell, probably: ‘And I’d have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for that meddlesome kid and his emails!’

McConnell should go to jail for shutting down Obama before the election. Find a law on which to prosecute him, please.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:40:37am

“There’s a cancer growing on in the presidency.”

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:40:41am

re: #75 HappyWarrior

And that ultimately is the only thing that matters to them. Goddamnit, I’ve never liked the GOP at all but you know what, I always thought until fairly recently that they were concerned about our country.

Maybe it’s because I grew up in a Republican household, and was a RINO from the age of 18 through my 20s (if not a bit longer because I was too lazy to change my registration), but I always felt like they had a different vision but were ultimately patriotic. I think that changed sometime in the last decade, but started during the Bush Administration when they first had control of Congress and the Presidency for the first time in living memory. Power became an end unto itself for too many of them.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:41:18am

re: #93 KGxvi

Maybe it’s because I grew up in a Republican household, and was a RINO from the age of 18 through my 20s (if not a bit longer because I was too lazy to change my registration), but I always felt like they had a different vision but were ultimately patriotic. I think that changed sometime in the last decade, but started during the Bush Administration when they first had control of Congress and the Presidency for the first time in living memory. Power became an end unto itself for too many of them.

Gingrich. I think the rot goes back at least to there.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:42:09am

re: #93 KGxvi

Maybe it’s because I grew up in a Republican household, and was a RINO from the age of 18 through my 20s (if not a bit longer because I was too lazy to change my registration), but I always felt like they had a different vision but were ultimately patriotic. I think that changed sometime in the last decade, but started during the Bush Administration when they first had control of Congress and the Presidency for the first time in living memory. Power became an end unto itself for too many of them.

I think you’re right. To me, the point of no return is how they acted after Obama’s election but yeah the Bush years were where a lot of this power hungry bs starts.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:42:11am

From today’s off-camera Huckabriefing

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:42:13am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

It’s times like this I really miss our favorite GOP apologist because I’d be so tempted to see him try to excuse the leadership’s silence on this.

We know what that dimwit would post!

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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:42:29am

re: #94 Sir John Barron

Gingrich. I think the rot goes back at least to there.

Who was a vector for the religious right gangs which formed in the 1970s… which were composed of old white men who started out in the JBS circles…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:42:43am

re: #94 Sir John Barron

Gingrich. I think the rot goes back at least to there.

Reagan deserves some blame too for belittling his opposition as morons.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:43:00am

Shouting at his teevee

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:43:03am

re: #60 Sir John Barron

“Yeah but all our statements since—looks at watch—this morning are 100% accurate.”

Doubt it. Any statement that isn’t an outright lie problem omits some crucial fact. They only reveal what is already known; anything else is kept hidden

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:43:03am

re: #97 Joe Bacon 🌹

We know what that dimwit would post!

I know. BBL wink.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:43:32am

re: #91 wrenchwench

McConnell should go to jail for shutting down Obama before the election. Find a law on which to prosecute him, please.

At this point it might be easier just to send the Democrats home, put bars on the windows of the White House and Congress, and post armed guards around the buildings.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:43:48am

re: #94 Sir John Barron

Gingrich. I think the rot goes back at least to there.

He’s probably the contaminating spore that caused the rot.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:43:49am
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freetoken  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:44:23am

I propose one can draw a direct line: 1) from the religious leaders of the Confederacy who declared that Slavery was a God-ordained institution, 2) to Donald Trump.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:44:27am

re: #32 jaunte

Josh Barro ✔ @jbarro
At this point there’s no way the pee tape isn’t real.

Does Josh waver between bouts of reality and GOP wrongheaded thinking? Sometimes it is like a bolt of reality hits…but too often he is out wandering lost in the trees.

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:45:00am

re: #98 freetoken

Who was a vector for the religious right gangs which formed in the 1970s… which were composed of old white men who started out in the JBS circles…

JBS founders could be a power source with all their in-the-grave spinning.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:45:02am

re: #100 jaunte

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Shouting at his teevee

Yeah he’s frustrated that the truth is coming out and he’ll smell like even more shit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:45:04am

re: #104 KGxvi

He’s probably the contaminating spore that caused the rot.

Or the crystal dropped into the supersaturated solution.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:45:37am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

It’s times like this I really miss our favorite GOP apologist because I’d be so tempted to see him try to excuse the leadership’s silence on this.

GG or DF?

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:45:38am

re: #107 ObserverArt

I’m not certain, but I think he’s a libertarian.

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KGxvi  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:45:50am

re: #60 Sir John Barron

“Yeah but all our statements since—looks at watch—this morning(deep breathe) NOW… no, NOW… are 100% accurate.”

Fixed for accuracy

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:45:52am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:46:20am

re: #105 FormerDirtDart

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Watch idiots like Hoft try to use this to claim that Kathy Griffin “set” Donnie Jr up.

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austin_blue  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:46:39am

What a nothing burger looks like to a Democrat:

What a nothing burger looks like to a Republican:

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:46:59am

re: #111 Dr. Matt

GG or DF?

Both Katie but actually DF. I’d love to see him try to say with a straight face that the GOP Congressmen have to stay silent on this because if they say something, the voters will be mean to them.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:47:03am

re: #94 Sir John Barron

Gingrich. I think the rot goes back at least to there.

It went back to the Nixon pursuit of the Southern strategy to gain power.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:47:16am

re: #40 Dr. Matt

The Donny Junior-Russia meeting was at 4:00 p.m. on June 9.

They have been saying the meeting lasted about 30 minutes.

Trump’s very first comment about Clinton emails was a tweet at 4:40 p.m. on June 9.

Daddy was in the loop.

I wonder if Donny Sr. just happened to be listening in. You know, like how he did at some of Spicer’s press briefings. Suddenly a note would appear and the explanation would change or get shortened like “stop talking and get off the fucking stage!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:47:25am

re: #106 freetoken

I propose one can draw a direct line: 1) from the religious leaders of the Confederacy who declared that Slavery was a God-ordained institution, 2) to Donald Trump.

The descendants of the gullible chumps who went to war so that rich white people could own black people are still gullible chumps. They breed true.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:47:44am

re: #88 gocart mozart

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GONGED!!!

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:48:39am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:48:41am

re: #113 KGxvi

Fixed for accuracy

“Everything I tell you is a lie.”

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:48:57am

Anybody got a link to that definition that GDFrank posted the other day regarding collusion with a foreign power?

I’ve got a wingnut on FB saying that getting oppo research, regardless of country, is not illegal.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:48:59am

The Moebius Referral

“…The Daily Beast contacted multiple senior White House staffers on Tuesday to solicit defenses of Trump Jr., even anonymously. Each individual immediately referred questions to Junior’s legal and public-relations team, emphasizing that the president’s son is not a federal employee. According to a New York Times report published Monday, Kushner’s representatives referred all requests for comments back to an earlier statement, and stated that Kushner, Junior’s brother-in-law, is officially deferring questions on what happened in that meeting to Trump Jr. himself.

thedailybeast.com

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:49:06am

re: #94 Sir John Barron

Gingrich. I think the rot goes back at least to there.

It was absolutely Gingrich. Prior to that, there was at least public cooperation between parties when one was out of power. Gingrich decided to shut down the government because he felt miffed over a fucking plane seat, and he knew he could do it because right wing media at that point was really starting to take hold, with Rush et al inciting hatred against the Clintons every day.

Much like the current Trump situation, Gingrich did that and Republicans faced no consequences. Democracy only works when people agree to certain norms. Gingrich broke one of the most important ones, and there were no consequences, so it now became normal. Republicans have continued in the same vein ever since. So too, the Trump things are violating basically every norm of democracy, turning the USA into the same sort of regime as Saudi Arabia - ie. not a nation at all, but rather a crime family masquerading as a nation.

Sure, the US is not as bad as Saudi Arabia in any way. The press is still nominally free and state-sanctioned murder is limited only to certain classes and races. But the norms, the previously sacred ideals of a free society, have been violated, and been violated without consequence. And things will never be the same again.

Cultists used to insist that the US would never survive 8 years of Obama, in much the same hysterics that people once insisted the US would never survive 8 years of Bush. That was hyperbole. After 8 years of Trump, there will still be something called the USA. But I don’t agree that it will return, not in the way that most of us recognise it.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:49:34am

re: #45 makeitstop

What a time to be alive, you guys.

But…but…but…nothing will come of any of this!!!

To me this is developing at a rapid pace as compared to all of Watergate.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:49:38am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:51:33am

Confirmed from an NYT source: “We were preparing to publish” story — Don Jr. camp “asked for more time” to comment “and then pre-empted us”

Makes sense, people do not believe the Fake News media but have total faith in the President and his family…

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:51:49am

See who re-tweeted

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:54:11am

re: #100 jaunte

SHS says she has spoken to Trump in last 24 hrs: “I would say that the president is frustrated with the process” ie Russia.

— Jim Acosta

Frustrated he got caught.

That decision to fire Comey is starting to look pretty brilliant now, isn’t it? ////

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:55:12am

re: #130 Stanley Sea

See who re-tweeted

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Delusion, one hell of a drug. The one guy who thinks that Trumpy Jr is being “targeted” because he’s “effective” defending his Dad is hilarious too. Dude, they call him Fredo among the Trump campaign. Not his detractors, people who actually know him call him Fredo.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:56:12am

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Delusion, one hell of a drug. The one guy who thinks that Trumpy Jr is being “targeted” because he’s “effective” defending his Dad is hilarious too. Dude, they call him Fredo among the Trump campaign. Not his detractors, people who actually know him call him Fredo.

James Woods? Erick son of Erick? Noot Grinch?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:56:30am

re: #126 Renaissance_Man

After 8 years of Trump, there will still be something called the USA. But I don’t agree that it will return, not in the way that most of us recognise it.

I said in the last thread we’re going to need something like the Nuremberg Trials when all is said and done - combine it with something like South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Committee.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:57:22am

re: #125 jaunte

Junior’s legal and public-relations team

Heh, indeed

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:57:26am

re: #133 Sir John Barron

James Woods? Erick son of Erick? Noot Grinch?

I had read that the senior Trump associates call Donnie, Fredo behind his back.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:58:33am

re: #134 Dr Lizardo

I said in the last thread we’re going to need something like the Nuremberg Trials when all is said and done - combine it with something like South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Committee.

Man I just don’t know. The thing is. The propaganda works. We have literally millions of people who buy FNC’s lies, Limbaugh’s crap, etc. I just don’t know what it’s going to take that undo all that damage.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:58:51am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 11:59:29am

re: #136 HappyWarrior

I had read that the senior Trump associates call Donnie, Fredo behind his back.

The problem with calling Don Jr. Fredo is that Don Sr. is also Fredo.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:00:10pm

re: #138 jaunte

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THAT’S DIFFRENT!!!

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:00:16pm

re: #139 Blind Frog Belly White

The problem with calling Don Jr. Fredo is that Don Sr. is also Fredo.

It’s Fredos all the way down!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:00:50pm

re: #138 jaunte

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Hypocritus Maxinmus.

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:00:50pm

re: #134 Dr Lizardo

I said in the last thread we’re going to need something like the Nuremberg Trials when all is said and done - combine it with something like South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Committee.

Both of those things came about after massive societal change - losing a war, the end of apartheid. Neither of those things will happen in 8 years after Trump leaves barring something huge and unforeseen. What will happen is that the cult media will return to its comfort zone in attacking a Democratic president, and CNN and MSNBC and local news will amplify those attacks to show that they are ‘nonpartisan’. And the next US autocrat won’t be as childish as Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:01:17pm

re: #134 Dr Lizardo

I said in the last thread we’re going to need something like the Nuremberg Trials when all is said and done - combine it with something like South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Committee.

Reconstruction

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:01:37pm

re: #139 Blind Frog Belly White

The problem with calling Don Jr. Fredo is that Don Sr. is also Fredo.

And TBH, Fredo Corleone for all his flaws was a kind-hearted person. Stupid, sure but not malicious.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:02:15pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Man I just don’t know. The thing is. The propaganda works. We have literally millions of people who buy FNC’s lies, Limbaugh’s crap, etc. I just don’t know what it’s going to take that undo all that damage.

I figure like with any epistemic bubble, eventually, it’ll pop of its own accord. Sooner or later, it’ll start sinking in that it’s all bullshit. Not saying it’s going to happen immediately, but eventually, it will.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:02:15pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:02:25pm

re: #143 Renaissance_Man

Both of those things came about after massive societal change - losing a war, the end of apartheid. Neither of those things will happen in 8 years after Trump leaves barring something huge and unforeseen. What will happen is that the cult media will return to its comfort zone in attacking a Democratic president, and CNN and MSNBC and local news will amplify those attacks to show that they are ‘nonpartisan’. And the next US autocrat won’t be as childish as Trump.

But for that, even more fiendishly effective at dismantling all the advances we have made over the past decades…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:02:42pm

re: #94 Sir John Barron

GOP DIrty Tricking goes all the way back to the 1934 GOP campaign against Upton Sinclair run by the Baxters. Their disciple Murray Choitner groomed Nixon who passed it on to Stone, Segretti, Rove, Atwater and Gingrich.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:02:43pm

re: #138 jaunte

How are Dems supposedly obstructing DJT’s nominees? Are they actually voting against cloture for anyone? Didn’t think they were able to do that anymore.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:03:35pm

re: #147 jaunte

McConnell: Intel committee is investigating

Translation: aaasdiibioncooiwn bahahahw0henc oennewenownenowe

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:04:07pm

re: #143 Renaissance_Man

Both of those things came about after massive societal change - losing a war, the end of apartheid. Neither of those things will happen in 8 years after Trump leaves barring something huge and unforeseen. What will happen is that the cult media will return to its comfort zone in attacking a Democratic president, and CNN and MSNBC and local news will amplify those attacks to show that they are ‘nonpartisan’. And the next US autocrat won’t be as childish as Trump.

I’m not so sanguine. And I think the system will ultimately correct to ensure that another Trump, another autocrat, will never get elected again.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:04:24pm

re: #68 Renaissance_Man

Again, people only act like this when they know there are no consequences.

Yes, if you see everything negatively.

Or, you could look at like arrogant assholes that have been able to shirk responsibility for their actions through their whole lives in the private world and think they can do the same in the public political world.

This is nothing new for the Trumps. They have fucked up a lot over the years. And they still were able to portray a level of business success only because Daddy turned his act into a reality show a bunch of dumbasses believed it.

But they are in a whole new world. A world of people with far more power than they ever had and bigger bullies too.

Can we watch it play out before we call the game? I’d like to see it get to the sixth inning at least. You know…watch where it goes before we hand the victory over because we don’t think we can compete.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:05:22pm

re: #152 Dr Lizardo

I’m not so sanguine. And I think the system will ultimately correct to ensure that another Trump, another autocrat, will never get elected again.

I find that not implausible but nonetheless optimistic and more supported by gut feeling than recent events…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:05:39pm

re: #153 ObserverArt

Yes, if you see everything negatively.

Or, you could look at like arrogant assholes that have been able to shirk responsibility for their actions through their whole lives in the private world and think they can do the same in the public political world.

This is nothing new for the Trumps. They have fucked up a lot over the years. And they still were able to portray a level of business success only because Daddy turned his act into a reality show a bunch of dumbasses believed it.

But they are in a whole new world. A world of people with far more power than they ever had and bigger bullies too.

Can we watch it play out before we call the game? I’d like to see it get to the sixth inning at least. You know…watch where it goes before we hand the victory over because we don’t think we can compete.

Acknowledging that what we do could possibly have a difference means having to do hard work, knowing it still might not be effective. Being convinced that the game is fixed and nothing can be done allows one to be lazy and do nothing without feeling guilty about it.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:06:41pm

What honestly bothers me is people are seriously talking about The Rock as a possibility to be the next President. Really, we elect one guy without any governing experience and that’s your idea? I don’t think The Rock/Dwayne Johnson is a bad person but this fascination segments of our country have for non-politicians to run the show just rubs me the wrong way. Damnit, I don’t think it’s insane to want someone who could sit through Poli Sci lectures to be our President.

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:07:00pm

re: #150 Sir John Barron

How are Dems supposedly obstructing DJT’s nominees? Are they actually voting against cloture for anyone? Didn’t think they were able to do that anymore.

Those nefarious Dems are preventing Trump from nominating people in the first place.
/

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:07:09pm

re: #147 jaunte

McConnell: Intel committee is investigating

“We have committee. Intelligence. Investigating. True. Committee. Investigating. Argle bargle. Investigating. Meeting. I have meeting. Uhhhhh. Intelligence. Meeting. Committee. Investigation.”

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:07:11pm

re: #90 makeitstop

Trumps are indeed ‘transparent’…

We can see right through them.

As did Putin.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:08:08pm

re: #157 Kragar

Those nefarious Dems are preventing Trump from nominating people in the first place.
/

“Dems are obstructing by talking about Russia all the time.”

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:08:41pm

re: #78 Dr. Matt

I would be pretty fucking pissed if my father called me “high quality”. My Chrysler is “high quality”. My 21 year old MaCallan is “high quality”. My new wood floors are “high quality”. Fucking imbeciles.

Trump is emotionally stunted and unable to feel anything inside. He views everything and everyone as a thing with monetary value. Human emotions do not enter into the mix.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:09:09pm

re: #158 Sir John Barron

“We have committee. Intelligence. Investigating. True. Committee. Investigating. Argle bargle. Investigating. Meeting. I have meeting. Uhhhhh. Intelligence. Meeting. Committee. Investigation.”

“Top. Men.”

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garzooma  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:10:03pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Coming soon: Trump will claim Donald Trump Jr. was adopted, and they never really got along anyway.

Hey, son, come with me down to the middle of Fifth Avenue for a minute? I want to check something out.

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bratwurst  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:10:05pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:10:18pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

What honestly bothers me is people are seriously talking about The Rock as a possibility to be the next President. Really, we elect one guy without any governing experience and that’s your idea? I don’t think The Rock/Dwayne Johnson is a bad person but this fascination segments of our country have for non-politicians to run the show just rubs me the wrong way. Damnit, I don’t think it’s insane to want someone who could sit through Poli Sci lectures to be our President.

In some fairness to Mr. Johnson, he has a Bachelor’s Degree in criminology from the University of Miami. At least he’s got that.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:11:24pm

re: #100 jaunte

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:11:53pm

All it needs is a t and an i to make ‘her’ into ‘their’. Then give them a paddle so they can go down the river faster.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:11:59pm

Trump’s frustrated because he wanted the news to be concentrating on how Putin ate his lunch at the G20, pantsing him in front of the world. Instead, we’re focused on why Putin was able to do that.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:12:21pm

re: #112 jaunte

I’m not certain, but I think he’s a libertarian.

He doesn’t know what he is. Dude is mixed up.

From his wiki page (take it for what it is):

Earlier in his career, Barro described himself as Republican, although wrote about his criticism of many of its policies.[15] He also identified as a neoliberal.[16]

After the 2012 United States elections, Barro became increasingly critical of the Republican party, writing that “the party’s economic agenda, as embodied in the latest [Paul] Ryan budget, is simply terrible for the vast majority of Americans.”[1] Barro called Congressional Republicans “crazy and awful”.[3] Reaction by other conservative media members to Barro’s criticism of the Republican party led The Atlantic to name Barro “the loneliest Republican.”[3] Ezra Klein said that based on Barro’s views, “He doesn’t come across as much of a Republican.”[17]

On October 11, 2016, following the Republican party’s nomination of Donald Trump for president, Barro said he had left the Republican party and registered as a Democrat.[18][19] Barro cited as reasons for his decision the Republican party’s “fact-free environment so many of its voters live in, and because of the anti-Democrat hysteria that had been willfully whipped up by so many of its politicians,” which created a “vulnerability in our democracy.”[18]

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:13:21pm
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(Bert the Turtle)  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:14:00pm

re: #155 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Errr, the game IS fixed - Broken. Can we do anything about it? I guess we’ll see.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:14:19pm
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petesh  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:14:56pm

re: #139 Blind Frog Belly White

The problem with calling Don Jr. Fredo is that Don Sr. is also Fredo.

What about Eric? I havent seen or read the Godfather in decades but I don’t recall another ambulatory idiot in the saga. Eric is so dumb I almost feel sorry for him, like he’s not even people really (to use his own phrasing).

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:15:14pm

re: #116 austin_blue

What a nothing burger looks like to a Democrat:

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That GOP nothingburger looks damned tasty. It’ll go down so nicely with a bottle of treason and a large side of prison time.

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b.d.  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:15:42pm

Love how the administration who abhors internal leaks to the free press has no problem with getting information obtained by Russian spies.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:17:00pm

re: #173 petesh

What about Eric? I havent seen or read the Godfather in decades but I don’t recall another ambulatory idiot in the saga. Eric is so dumb I almost feel sorry for him, like he’s not even people really (to use his own phrasing).

Yeah, that’s where the metaphor falls apart. Someone said this is like if the Watergate Burglars were Joe Pesci and Daniel Stern from ‘Home Alone’.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:17:34pm

re: #165 Dr Lizardo

In some fairness to Mr. Johnson, he has a Bachelor’s Degree in criminology from the University of Miami. At least he’s got that.

Yeah he’s certainly not a dunce like Trump but you know what, if he wants to serve his country, maybe he should run for lower office first. I mean damn I don’t like Reagan at al but at least Reagan didn’t run for POTUS immediately as he got into politics.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:17:39pm

re: #122 Ace-o-aces

Thank God! Think of the damage they could inflict if they could shoot straight!

If Trump doesn’t survive this neither should Sessions. That motherfucker has to go.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:17:46pm

re: #176 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, that’s where the metaphor falls apart. Someone said this is like if the Watergate Burglars were Joe Pesci and Daniel Stern from ‘Home Alone’.

Stupidgate.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:18:59pm

re: #173 petesh

What about Eric? I havent seen or read the Godfather in decades but I don’t recall another ambulatory idiot in the saga. Eric is so dumb I almost feel sorry for him, like he’s not even people really (to use his own phrasing).

Eric would be Carlo Rizzi but then again Carlo was fairly smart in that he was able to bait Sonny into going after him which got Sonny killed.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:19:17pm

re: #171 (Bert the Turtle)

Errr, the game IS fixed - Broken. Can we do anything about it? I guess we’ll see.

Thankfully a lot of people haven’t taken this attitude so far towards the healthcare bill fight. Unless you really think that Republicans have been drawing this process out for shits and giggles.

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:19:29pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:19:34pm

re: #177 HappyWarrior

Yeah he’s certainly not a dunce like Trump but you know what, if he wants to serve his country, maybe he should run for lower office first. I mean damn I don’t like Reagan at al but at least Reagan didn’t run for POTUS immediately as he got into politics.

Oh definitely. Perhaps he can start off as Mayor of a large metro area, work up to Governor, then Senator, then POTUS. A fairly classic path to the Oval Office.

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bratwurst  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:20:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:20:21pm

re: #178 MsJ

Thank God! Think of the damage they could inflict if they could shoot straight!

If Trump doesn’t survive this neither should Sessions. That motherfucker has to go.

They’re all so awful except for Mattis honestly. And I seriously think Trump only chose Mattis because he heard the Mad Dog monicker and thought it meant Mattis was how he imagines Patton and MacArthur to be rather than being closer to the George Marshall type that he is.

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dangerman  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:20:49pm

re: #176 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, that’s where the metaphor falls apart. Someone said this is like if the Watergate Burglars were Joe Pesci and Daniel Stern from ‘Home Alone’.

my name’s donny
this is my son fredo and my other son fredo, and my son-in-law fredo

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:20:59pm

re: #183 Dr Lizardo

Oh definitely. Perhaps he can start off as Mayor of a large metro area, work up to Governor, then Senator, then POTUS. A fairly classic path to the Oval Office.

Exactly. I got no problem if he wants to do that. But for POTUS right now? Nope.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:21:16pm

re: #186 dangerman

my name’s donny
this is my son fredo and my other son fredo, and my son-in-law fredo

Newhart Darryl reference?

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:21:20pm

Fox’s chief intelligence correspondent edited out mention of Russian government when quoting Trump Jr. emails

On July 11, The New York Times published the email correspondence setting up a meeting between Trump Jr. and a Russian lawyer with ties to the Kremlin. (Trump Jr., in an apparent attempt to pre-empt the Times report, released some of the emails himself on Twitter shortly before the report was posted.) In the initial email, “a trusted intermediary” wrote (emphasis added), “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” Trump Jr. responded, “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”

During Fox News’ Outnumbered, chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge reported on the developments, reading “key sections” from the email chain between Trump Jr. and the intermediary, Rob Goldstone. Herridge read:

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:21:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:21:45pm

re: #184 bratwurst

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I member when people were worried that Colbert wouldn’t be able to escape teh Colbert character.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:22:17pm

re: #189 Dr. Matt

Where’s my surprised face. Oh yeah, here it is.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:22:18pm

re: #189 Dr. Matt

Fox’s chief intelligence correspondent edited out mention of Russian government when quoting Trump Jr. emails

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FNC is as crooked as teh rest of tehse fuckers.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:22:51pm

re: #184 bratwurst

Taste bad too.

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:23:52pm

re: #153 ObserverArt

But they are in a whole new world. A world of people with far more power than they ever had and bigger bullies too.

Can we watch it play out before we call the game? I’d like to see it get to the sixth inning at least. You know…watch where it goes before we hand the victory over because we don’t think we can compete.

Sure, we can do that. I’m aware my conclusions are negative, but I think the reasoning is sound. It doesn’t matter that they’re out of their depth when the bigger bullies with more power are also on their side. I don’t see that the underlying problems are correcting in any way, and recent history has shown that what we all hope for is unlikely, but I’m also aware that it’s hard to see everything in real time.

re: #155 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Acknowledging that what we do could possibly have a difference means having to do hard work, knowing it still might not be effective. Being convinced that the game is fixed and nothing can be done allows one to be lazy and do nothing without feeling guilty about it.

That’s a fair criticism. Believe me, if I do work out any way to improve the underlying problems that have led the US to this situation, I’ll be camped out on Google’s doorstep until they hear me out. (Or Zuckerberg’s, I imagine.) I also have significant bias because I’m not native to America and am thus not as invested as most, although I love this country and was completely heartbroken to see what has become of Americans. Mostly I correspond with friends in other nations to try to make sure the rest of the free world learns from the US, and nips those problems in the bud before they lead to something similar.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:24:53pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:25:10pm

re: #152 Dr Lizardo

Neither of those things will happen in 8 years after Trump leaves barring something huge and unforeseen.

If Trump is re-elected in 2020 it will be ONLY because the election was rigged and we are no longer living in a representative democracy. It will be time for revolution or resignation.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:25:46pm

re: #170 Kragar

Is Sean Spicer still alive or employed?

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:26:42pm

re: #167 wrenchwench

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All it needs is a t and an i to make ‘her’ into ‘their’. Then give them a paddle so they can go down the river faster.

Her emails that no one apparently was able to hack into…otherwise we would have seen them long ago.

She apparently had the most secure server anywhere in Washington.

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petesh  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:27:01pm

re: #197 gocart mozart

If Trump is re-elected in 2020 it will be ONLY because the election was rigged and we are no longer living in a representative democracy. It will be time for revolution or resignation.

I do not expect Trump to give a State of the Onion address.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:27:05pm

BTW, have the BernieBros informed us yet today that “Bernie would have won”?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:27:43pm

re: #201 Dr. Matt

BTW, have the BernieBros informed us yet today that “Bernie would have won”?

I thankfully haven’t seen that crap from the BBs in my TL.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:28:03pm

re: #201 Dr. Matt

BTW, have the BernieBros informed us yet today that “Bernie would have won”?

Don’t know, don’t care.

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:28:05pm

re: #198 Sir John Barron

Is Sean Spicer still alive or employed?

His current job is to bring the Cokes to Don and his guests

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:28:16pm

re: #199 MsJ

Her emails that no one apparently was able to hack into…otherwise we would have seen them long ago.

She apparently had the most secure server anywhere in Washington.

Yet it was her emails baiting the hook that Don Jr. is dangling from.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:28:32pm

re: #167 wrenchwench

My baby…she is ready.

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petesh  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:28:41pm

re: #201 Dr. Matt

BTW, have the BernieBros informed us yet today that “Bernie would have won”?

Well, if Putin had actively backed Bernie instead of treating him as a useful idiot to reduce Hillary’s support … maybe, but probably not.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:29:03pm

re: #198 Sir John Barron

Is Sean Spicer still alive or employed?

Cleaning the bunny suit.

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:29:07pm

re: #197 gocart mozart

If Trump is re-elected in 2020 it will be ONLY because the election was rigged and we are no longer living in a representative democracy. It will be time for revolution or resignation.

Well, there will be some voter suppression to be sure, but he’ll be re-elected because over 63 million people will be righteously enraged that the fake news and Democrats and traitors have attacked them viciously for years and they’ll come out to vote to make those libtards angry.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:29:51pm

I took an extended break from working. Apologies to Charlie Pierce…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:31:01pm

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

Honest to god, this whole year has been like a test of the principles of the GOP. Every day, a new low. Every day, another excuse.

Imagine if you could show them, two years ago, what they’d be defending today.

I don’t ever want to hear again as a socialistic liberal that I am not “patriotic” or I am un-American.

If someone from any (not just Russia) came to me with some kind of info on any political candidate (regardless of party), I’d be on the phone so fast to the FBI my hand would break the sound barrier dialing my phone.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:31:26pm

re: #181 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Thankfully a lot of people haven’t taken this attitude so far towards the healthcare bill fight. Unless you really think that Republicans have been drawing this process out for shits and giggles.

I’ve personally called R Johnson(R-WI) 3 times a day for over a week. He/they, do not give a shit. I’ll be fucked if the R’s get their healthcare bill signed into law. I’m already paying way to much as it is. I just DO NOT see the people who voted for Trump giving a shit.

Is the game rigged? Welp, I’m starting to feel a little CTish since I read the story about Georgia and their voting rolls. Look, I’m on your side here, but the Dems are playing(if they’re really in the game) against a stacked deck. See fuckin’ D Trump as our President.

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:32:43pm

re: #206 MsJ

My baby…she is ready.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:33:08pm

re: #199 MsJ

Her emails that no one apparently was able to hack into…otherwise we would have seen them long ago.

She apparently had the most secure server anywhere in Washington.

Yeah, They were not tied into the government servers.

And a single email server with one path in and a decent secure firewall and maybe some tracking and logging software is a lot tougher to hack because there are not all the doors from all the other computers leading into it. If it was just for email all the better. No other software or internet connections to sneak through.

But you know those damn Clintons…always so secretive.

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sauceruney  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:33:47pm

re: #103 makeitstop

At this point it might be easier just to send the Democrats home, put bars on the windows of the White House and Congress, and post armed guards around the buildings.

Escape From DC, starring Steve Bannon as Snake Pigskin

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:34:37pm

re: #196 Charles Johnson

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:35:42pm

re: #189 Dr. Matt

Fox’s chief intelligence correspondent edited out mention of Russian government when quoting Trump Jr. emails

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I’m not surprised.

While driving home from NYC last night, the local CBS radio station gave some ‘background’ on Junior’s meeting and really leaned on the part about the Russian lawyer ‘pivoting to talk about Russian adoptions.’

Zero context. No mention of the Magnitsky Act, which the Russian adoption ban was in reaction to. The guy just made it sound like this was some crazy lady who tricked Junior into a meeting so she could yammer about her pet cause.

The media is not serving the public trust here.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:37:12pm

re: #195 Renaissance_Man

That’s a fair criticism. Believe me, if I do work out any way to improve the underlying problems that have led the US to this situation, I’ll be camped out on Google’s doorstep until they hear me out. (Or Zuckerberg’s, I imagine.) I also have significant bias because I’m not native to America and am thus not as invested as most, although I love this country and was completely heartbroken to see what has become of Americans. Mostly I correspond with friends in other nations to try to make sure the rest of the free world learns from the US, and nips those problems in the bud before they lead to something similar.

So as an American actually living here and dealing with this shit, telling people it’s all doomed is …pretty damn unhelpful, actually. Let’s look at the continuing fight over the healthcare bill, for example. Republicans are still scrambling to get it passed because there has been SUBSTANTIAL pushback from ordinary, plain Americans who still believe that their voices can make a difference. And clearly, those voices DO still make a difference or it would have been completed already.

Do I imagine things are ever going to be the same again? No. Life is never the fucking same from day to day anyway so that’s a bullshit expectation. Do I think America has completely abandoned its ideals? Well, I know it’s hard to remember but the majority of Americans actually didn’t vote for this shitshow. A lot of us are still working to hold to the ideals we believe in. It’s hard fucking work, especially in the face of the mess that is currently our government, but I choose to believe that it’s still possible to make a difference. One call at a time, one conversation at a time, one mind at a time.

Saying you’ll camp out as soon as you figure out how to fix the underlying problems sounds awfully like saying, “the problem is too hard, can’t do anything about it, might as well watch them all burn.” Fuck that shit.

I’m persisting.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:37:30pm

“… Dr. Mohsen Dehnav holds a visiting work visa that was issued in May and planned to work as a scholar at Boston Children’s Hospital, the Boston Globe’s science publication STAT News reported.

His wife and three small children, ages 6, 3 and 7 months, were also held after landing in Boston Monday afternoon.

Late last month, the US Supreme Court allowed a revised version of Trump’s travel ban to take effect, banning migrants from six Muslim-majority countries, including Iran, from entering the US.

The court ruled that the ban couldn’t apply to travelers who already had valid visas.

Dehnav holds a J-1 visa, which is designated for researchers and other academics partaking in visiting scholar programs, STAT reported.

It’s not clear why Dehnav and his family are being detained — but they’ll likely be deported back to Iran Tuesday, the hospital said. …”

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:38:22pm

re: #211 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t ever want to hear again as a socialistic liberal that I am not “patriotic” or I am un-American.

If someone from any (not just Russia) came to me with some kind of info on any political candidate (regardless of party), I’d be on the phone so fast to the FBI my hand would break the sound barrier dialing my phone.

When the Russians tried to contact the Clinton campaign, they got no reply. One side knew to ignore them.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:38:31pm

re: #212 (Bert the Turtle)

I’ve personally called R Johnson(R-WI) 3 times a day for over a week. He/they, do not give a shit. I’ll be fucked if the R’s get their healthcare bill signed into law. I’m already paying way to much as it is. I just DO NOT see the people who voted for Trump giving a shit.

Is the game rigged? Welp, I’m starting to feel a little CTish since I read the story about Georgia and their voting rolls. Look, I’m on your side here, but the Dems are playing(if they’re really in the game) against a stacked deck. See fuckin’ D Trump as our President.

Don’t take this the wrong way, but some of that “the game is fixed” stuff is what got us Donald Trump. He was going to be the big change from fixed games. Also, being negative kept way too many people at home and not voting. That is how it worked and that is why klys and others are saying fight.

A lot of the power the GOP has now is for much the same reason. Too many people gave it to them.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:38:55pm

re: #213 wrenchwench

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:40:05pm

re: #217 makeitstop

I’m not surprised.

While driving home from NYC last night, the local CBS radio station gave some ‘background’ on Junior’s meeting and really leaned on the part about the Russian lawyer ‘pivoting to talk about Russian adoptions.’

Zero context. No mention of the Magnitsky Act, which the Russian adoption ban was in reaction to. The guy just made it sound like this was some crazy lady who tricked Junior into a meeting so she could yammer about her pet cause.

The media is not serving the public trust here.

Nor are we hearing much (yet) about how this lawyer was defending a Russian being charged with money laundering under the Magnitsky Act by Preet Bharara. After Bharara was fired, the case was quietly settled for $6mil with no conviction. She got what she wanted short of getting the Magnitsky Act repealed.

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Mattand  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:40:15pm

re: #3 piratedan

you know… maybe.. just maybe, these people really are as venal and stupid as they appear to be. Enabled by a lifetime of sycophants attending to their every word, be it in public or the media simply because they got rich screwing other people over and our judicial process being weighted towards them have enabled them to really think that they’re better
than everyone else….

I’m reading this post and the relevant Talking Points Memo post over and over again.

No one can possibly be this stupid. I also cannot believe any competent lawyer would tell his client to release the evidence proving his guilt to the public.

I just keep coming back to the “No one is this stupid” part, though.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:41:15pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:41:40pm

The Photo showing it is time to ask “What did the president know, and when did he know it?”

Also read that the lawyer fredo met with was here to represent russian companies in a money laundering investigation being don by…Preet Bahara…

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:41:51pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

I thankfully haven’t seen that crap from the BBs in my TL.

Give it time. And the Steiners will tell us that things would be worse under Hillary.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:42:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:42:09pm

re: #219 FormerDirtDart

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Fuck this.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:42:24pm

re: #224 Mattand

I’m reading this post and the relevant Talking Points Memo post over and over again.

No one can possibly be this stupid. I also cannot believe any competent lawyer would tell his client to release the evidence proving his guilt to the public.

I just keep coming back to the “No one is this stupid” part, though.

Yes, the Trumps are indeed that stupid. They make the Kardashians look like Mensa candidates.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:42:31pm

re: #227 Dr. Matt

Give it time. And the Steiners will tell us that things would be worse under Hillary.

I’m sure. Just relieved I haven’t seen it yet.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:43:02pm

re: #224 Mattand

I’m reading this post and the relevant Talking Points Memo post over and over again.

No one can possibly be this stupid. I also cannot believe any competent lawyer would tell his client to release the evidence proving his guilt to the public.

I just keep coming back to the “No one is this stupid” part, though.

Fredo probably did it either against - or without - the advice of his lawyer. I think he really may just be that dumb.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:43:14pm

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

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And Assenge is why I don’t trust teh far left in their infinite smugness. They thought Assenge was a hero for a long time when it’s obvious that he’s a Russian tool.

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:43:38pm

re: #222 MsJ

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:44:07pm

re: #224 Mattand

I’m reading this post and the relevant Talking Points Memo post over and over again.

No one can possibly be this stupid. I also cannot believe any competent lawyer would tell his client to release the evidence proving his guilt to the public.

I just keep coming back to the “No one is this stupid” part, though.

I’m w/ you. This is too convenient. No one, including me, who’s pretty stupid, is this stupid. Especially at this level.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:44:12pm

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

Contacted Trump Jr this morning on why he should publish his emails (i.e with us).

LOL.

What, Julian, we’re you hoping be a sponsor or something?

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:44:21pm

Julian to the rescue!

Yeah…he is really going to help.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:45:27pm

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

Wikileaks: Speaking Truth to Power since never.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:45:30pm

re: #224 Mattand

No one can possibly be this stupid.

Junior: ‘Hold my beer.’

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:46:53pm

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

Whoa. I’m starting to think that Putin figured he’d gotten all he wanted out of Trump becoming President, culminating in the public tongue-bath last week, so now it’s time to move onto the next phase, where he takes Trump down, causing maximum chaos and disunity in Russia’s primary adversary.

We will be decades cleaning this shit up.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:47:33pm
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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:48:00pm
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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:48:22pm

re: #234 wrenchwench

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:49:35pm

The thing this vacation reminded me the most is that marinating myself in anger and fear and cynicism isn’t healthy for me. I mean, it’s something we all know in theory - look at Fox News - but I think a lot of us struggle with it in practice right now, because there’s so much out there to be angry about and it feels like it’s all taking far too long for any of this to make a difference.

Obviously everyone copes in their own way. But how we cope and how we react influences how people around us react to things too. That’s why the fear/outrage mix on Fox is so toxic, because it turns that mess into something normal. It primes those emotions to be the default to every situation. Our cynicism can turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy, because people accepting what shouldn’t be as part of the status quo means that nothing will change, even if change is possible.

I don’t have good solutions for any of this. I wish I did. But I have at least a different perspective right now than I did a week+ ago and one that might be healthier for me, at least. Because the fight to preserve what I value about America isn’t over and isn’t going to be over in my lifetime, I don’t think, which means I need to be prepped for the long haul.

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EPR-radar  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:49:37pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

Whoa. I’m starting to think that Putin figured he’d gotten all he wanted out of Trump becoming President, culminating in the public tongue-bath last week, so now it’s time to move onto the next phase, where he takes Trump down, causing maximum chaos and disunity in Russia’s primary adversary.

We will be decades cleaning this shit up.

Perhaps, but to me it seems much too soon for Putin to move vs. tr*mp. Best case for Russia would seem to be to have tr*mp in office as long as possible.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:49:49pm

The latest David Brooks column is all the rage here in the office today.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:49:52pm

re: #242 jaunte

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:50:06pm

re: #155 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Acknowledging that what we do could possibly have a difference means having to do hard work, knowing it still might not be effective. Being convinced that the game is fixed and nothing can be done allows one to be lazy and do nothing without feeling guilty about it.

Yup. “There’s nothing I can do about it anyway, so why try?” That was the battle cry of every civil rights movement in history. /s

See also climate nihilists (those who acknowledge anthropogenic climate change, but argue “why bother, there’s nothing we can do”). It is a pass to be lazy or not put in any effort.

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Mattand  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:50:30pm

re: #235 (Bert the Turtle)

I’m w/ you. This is too convenient. No one, including me, who’s pretty stupid, is this stupid. Especially at this level.

The only thing that even comes close to making any sense is that some White House lawyer has previously looked this over and determined that technically no voting laws have been broken.

And believe you me, I understand I’m really grasping at straws there for a logical explanation. The big problem being that I’m trying to apply logic to the situation.

I have to think that somewhere in the US Code it says colluding with a foreign power to influence and disrupt an election for POTUS is illegal.

Man, this fucking country. Or specifically, the fucknuts who voted for Trump and ethically pure who stayed home and let it happen.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:51:45pm

re: #244 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Before Trump, chop wood, carry water. After Trump, chop wood, carry water.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:52:01pm

re: #249 Mattand

The only thing that even comes close to making any sense is that some White House lawyer has previously looked this over and determined that technical no voting laws have been broken.

And believe you me, I understand I’m really grasping at straws there for a logical explanation. The big problem being that I’m trying to apply logic to the situation.

I have to think that somewhere in the US Code it says colluding with a foreign power to infludence and disrupt an election for POTUS is illegal.

Man, this fucking country. Or specifically, the fucknuts who voted for Trump and ethically pure who stayed home and let it happen.

Or somebody is talking to Mueller.

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Mattand  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:52:22pm

My God, this is the greatest hurling of shade in the history of the Internet.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:52:55pm

re: #242 jaunte

re: Wikileaks?

Yeah that’s something.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:53:02pm

re: #212 (Bert the Turtle)

I’ve personally called R Johnson(R-WI) 3 times a day for over a week. He/they, do not give a shit. I’ll be fucked if the R’s get their healthcare bill signed into law. I’m already paying way to much as it is. I just DO NOT see the people who voted for Trump giving a shit.

Is the game rigged? Welp, I’m starting to feel a little CTish since I read the story about Georgia and their voting rolls. Look, I’m on your side here, but the Dems are playing(if they’re really in the game) against a stacked deck. See fuckin’ D Trump as our President.

Well, at least you don’t have a representative who is on record saying he only represents Republicans or that Americans don’t deserve to eat.

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Franklin  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:53:27pm

Not the real @johnpodesta

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bratwurst  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:53:35pm

re: #246 Sir John Barron

The latest David Brooks column is all the rage here in the office today.

I think he is quite lucky this Don Jr. thing has blown up today…as much derision as he has received, that column deserves a LOT more.

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:54:06pm

re: #246 Sir John Barron

The latest David Brooks column is all the rage here in the office today.

Oh? What did the Pope of the Church of Lyin’tology have to say this time?

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:54:15pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:54:25pm

re: #246 Sir John Barron

The latest David Brooks column is all the rage here in the office today.

The attempts of David Brooks to deflect from the overwhelming shittiness of his precious Republican party are becoming more and more ludicrous.

Brooks will never say that liberals have been correct in their criticism of the GOP for at least 50 years, so all of his commentary on that subject is fatally flawed by that omission.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:54:43pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

Whoa. I’m starting to think that Putin figured he’d gotten all he wanted out of Trump becoming President, culminating in the public tongue-bath last week, so now it’s time to move onto the next phase, where he takes Trump down, causing maximum chaos and disunity in Russia’s primary adversary.

We will be decades cleaning this shit up.

The stupidity of these people is incredible. The email is an obvious set-up, explicitly stating its part of a Russian government effort to support Trump! Not only did Jr., Kushner and Manafort bite, they did it in unsecure emails, making it easy for Putin to entrap them in conspiracy charges.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:55:18pm

re: #258 Stanley Sea

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Mattand  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:55:33pm

re: #255 Franklin

Not the real @johnpodesta

Awww…

Still spot on, though.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:55:45pm

re: #249 Mattand

I have to think that somewhere in the US Code it says colluding with a foreign power to infludence and disrupt an election for POTUS is illegal

Right here.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:55:54pm

re: #257 Targetpractice

Oh? What did the Pope of the Church of Lyin’tology have to say this time?

Ordinary people can’t move up the economic ladder because restaurant menus are too fancy.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:55:59pm

Charles Pierce:
What This White House Really Needs Is Mercenaries
Oh good, Steve Bannon and Erik Prince have an idea for Afghanistan.

“…As long as Steve Bannon, the last surviving heir to House Harkonnen, has the ear of the mighty in the White House, there’s going to be a nearly endless supply of Really Bad Ideas to compete for space in The New York Times with the Times’s equally compelling new game show, Name That Muscovite.”
esquire.com

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:56:10pm

re: #260 Big Beautiful Door

The stupidity of these people is incredible. The email is an obvious set-up, explicitly stating its part of a Russian government effort to support Trump! Not only did Jr., Kushner and Manafort bite, they did it in unsecure emails, making it easy for Putin to entrap them in conspiracy charges.

I’m pretty sure that’s precisely what Putin was counting on.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:56:46pm

re: #257 Targetpractice

Recently I took a friend with only a high school degree to lunch. Insensitively, I led her into a gourmet sandwich shop. Suddenly I saw her face freeze up as she was confronted with sandwiches named “Padrino” and “Pomodoro” and ingredients like soppressata, capicollo and a striata baguette. I quickly asked her if she wanted to go somewhere else and she anxiously nodded yes and we ate Mexican.

American upper-middle-class culture (where the opportunities are) is now laced with cultural signifiers that are completely illegible unless you happen to have grown up in this class. They play on the normal human fear of humiliation and exclusion. Their chief message is, “You are not welcome here.”

(snip)

To feel at home in opportunity-rich areas, you’ve got to understand the right barre techniques, sport the right baby carrier, have the right podcast, food truck, tea, wine and Pilates tastes, not to mention possess the right attitudes about David Foster Wallace, child-rearing, gender norms and intersectionality.

Try not to cry.

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:57:01pm

re: #218 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Good argument. Very nice.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:57:11pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:57:13pm

re: #224 Mattand

I’m reading this post and the relevant Talking Points Memo post over and over again.

No one can possibly be this stupid. I also cannot believe any competent lawyer would tell his client to release the evidence proving his guilt to the public.

I just keep coming back to the “No one is this stupid” part, though.

I’m certain Don Jr. did this on advice from his lawyer. They knew the New York Times was about to publish the emails, and this is a Hail Mary pass to try to make it seem as if he had nothing to hide.

Basically, it’s intended to appeal to the same people who voted Trump into office, people like Jim Hoft.

You know… morons.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:57:27pm

Thread, just the start and the back end. Loads in the middle

Hint, D.A.R.E. didn’t work…
Drug Abuse Resistance Education - Studies on effectiveness

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:57:39pm

re: #264 Big Beautiful Door

Ordinary people can’t move up the economic ladder because restaurant menus are too fancy.

So much winning.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:57:44pm

re: #248 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. “There’s nothing I can do about it anyway, so why try?” That was the battle cry of every civil rights movement in history. /s

See also climate nihilists (those who acknowledge anthropogenic climate change, but argue “why bother, there’s nothing we can do”). It is a pass to be lazy or not put in any effort.

So, earlier I said it’s a fixed game. It is. I stand by that, and anyone who witnessed the lead up to the 2016 election witnessed the same bullshit I did. Now, does that mean “there’s nothing I can do about it” - nope. And I never said that. Look, I’m an asshole, I know that… but I also have one helluve a hunch the game was rigged from the jump.

Sorry if that comes across as defeatest.

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Mattand  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:58:07pm

re: #257 Targetpractice

Oh? What did the Pope of the Church of Lyin’tology have to say this time?

This post could have called for all milkshakes to be made of puppies, and I still would have updinged it for that line alone.

We’re talking about the column where Brooks takes his friend* to lunch and the woman wigs out because the sandwiches are too librul-sounding, right?

*Citation needed.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:59:24pm
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Mattand  Jul 11, 2017 • 12:59:57pm

re: #270 Charles Johnson

I’m certain Don Jr. did this on advice from his lawyer. They knew the New York Times was about to publish the emails, and this is a Hail Mary pass to try to make it seem as if he had nothing to hide.

Basically, it’s intended to appeal to the same people who voted Trump into office, people like Jim Hoft.

You know… morons.

Donnie, Jr. is but pawn in game of life…

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:00:04pm

re: #243 MsJ

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:00:14pm

re: #274 Mattand

This post could have called for all milkshakes to be made of puppies, and I still would have updinged it for that line alone.

We’re talking about the column where Brooks takes his friend* to lunch and the woman wigs out because the sandwiches are too librul-sounding, right?

*Citation needed.

I can’t take credit for the title, that’s belongs to driftglass.

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EPR-radar  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:00:40pm

re: #274 Mattand

This post could have called for all milkshakes to be made of puppies, and I still would have updinged it for that line alone.

We’re talking about the column where Brooks takes his friend* to lunch and the woman wigs out because the sandwiches are too librul-sounding, right?

*Citation needed.

Driftglass is a very entertaining online critic of David Brooks. I believe naming Brooks as the Pope of the Church of Lyin’tology is one of his contributions.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:01:08pm

re: #206 MsJ

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:01:29pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:01:47pm

re: #250 jaunte

Before Trump, chop wood, carry water. After Trump, chop wood, carry water.

Tote that barge, lift that bale, you get a little drunk and you land in jail…

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:02:14pm

re: #265 jaunte

Jared, the logistical savant last seen being shut down for a loan by the Qataris, is “sharply critical” of the strategies in Afghanistan? What does the guy running the hot-dog wagon outside 666 Fifth Avenue think?

Sick burn.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:02:18pm

re: #274 Mattand

This post could have called for all milkshakes to be made of puppies, and I still would have updinged it for that line alone.

We’re talking about the column where Brooks takes his friend* to lunch and the woman wigs out because the sandwiches are too librul-sounding, right?

*Citation needed.

That woman is the same as Tom Friedman’s eponymous ‘cab driver’ who never fails to clue him in on what the Great Unwashed are thinking.

AKA, a plot device.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:02:49pm

re: #277 wrenchwench

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Mattand  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:02:54pm

re: #281 Charles Johnson

“I guess it was something about Russia wanting to give us damaging info about Hillary, but I dunno, I only skimmed it.”

I swear to Christ, I feel like I’m reading something Mayor Quimby would say in a Simpsons script.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:03:25pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:03:57pm

re: #271 FormerDirtDart

Thread, just the start and the back end. Loads in the middle

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Hint, D.A.R.E. didn’t work…
Drug Abuse Resistance Education - Studies on effectiveness

I did the graphics on three D.A.R.E. vehicles for local area cop shops back around 2000 era when the program was still going.

You know what I remember about it the most. One of the most popular and beloved D.A.R.E. cops a couple years later was kicked out of the force for having kiddie porn on his work computer in his office.

Oops. Fits in with being arrogant and stupid…today’s topics. Oh yeah…and don’t be fooled by the badge and the nice smile.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:04:17pm

re: #265 jaunte

Soliciting the views of Mr. Prince and Mr. Feinberg certainly qualifies as out-of-the-box thinking in a process dominated by military leaders in the Pentagon and the National Security Council. But it also raises a host of ethical issues, not least that both men could profit from their recommendations. “The conflict of interest in this is transparent,” said Sean McFate, a professor at Georgetown University who wrote a book about the growth of private armies, “The Modern Mercenary.” “Most of these contractors are not even American, so there is also a lot of moral hazard.”

Oh, I don’t know. Hiring Hessians to do our dirty work is probably a Big Policy Idea that deserves a renewed hearing.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:05:41pm

re: #287 Charles Johnson

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After reading that email, I have no doubt he’s right. It reminds me of the Nigerian Prince scam. Anyone with a brain reading that email should’ve have alarm bells going off instead of saying, “I love it!”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:05:57pm

re: #273 (Bert the Turtle)

So, earlier I said it’s a fixed game. It is. I stand by that, and anyone who witnessed the lead up to the 2016 election witnessed the same bullshit I did. Now, does that mean “there’s nothing I can do about it” - nope. And I never said that. Look, I’m an asshole, I know that… but I also have one helluve a hunch the game was rigged from the jump.

Sorry if that comes across as defeatest.

Actually, you’re not sorry, you’re making excuses. Sorry if I come about as blunt.

Look, I’m an asshole, but I also know the game was rigged by the people who did not come out and vote or went third-party.

No you didn’t say “nothing I can do about it.” You implied it: “The game is rigged” (so why should I bother).

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:06:19pm

re: #267 Sir John Barron

Try not to cry.

Oh fuck, it’s the standard “Privileged old white fuck tries to act as though he cares about the poors.” The man who regularly lectures the same poors about how they need to stop fucking without his permission now wants to style himself as their champion.

Brooks is not as clever as he thinks if he figures nobody will deduce this article as a swipe at the “liberal elite.”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:06:36pm
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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:06:54pm

re: #290 Big Beautiful Door

After reading that email, I have no doubt he’s right. It reminds me of the Nigerian Prince scam. Anyone with a brain reading that email should’ve have alarm bells going off instead of saying, “I love it!”

“I love adoption policies. Bring them on!”

//

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:07:38pm

re: #293 Dr. Matt

LOL-> Trump ally Alex Jones: Donald Trump Jr. was “doing his job … trying to find Russian spies”

Fortunately I didn’t have any food or drink in my mouth when I read this.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:07:41pm

re: #273 (Bert the Turtle)

So, earlier I said it’s a fixed game. It is. I stand by that, and anyone who witnessed the lead up to the 2016 election witnessed the same bullshit I did. Now, does that mean “there’s nothing I can do about it” - nope. And I never said that. Look, I’m an asshole, I know that… but I also have one helluve a hunch the game was rigged from the jump.

Sorry if that comes across as defeatest.

If more people turn out to vote, Bernie handled things better and Johnson and Stein are not in the running is the game still fixed?

If that all lead to a Hillary win, is the game still fixed?

Everything else would still have been in place.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:07:52pm

re: #294 Charles Johnson

Upding for Trump weasals.

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:07:57pm

re: #285 MsJ

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:08:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:08:16pm
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harlequinade  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:08:30pm

Is this tainting the jury pool?

I mean - putting the mails out there, having everyone comment on them. If Don Jnr isn’t in Govt, he can be arrested and stand trial etc. But - how are they going to find people without an opinion?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:09:10pm

re: #283 Sir John Barron

Jared, the logistical savant last seen being shut down for a loan by the Qataris, is “sharply critical” of the strategies in Afghanistan? What does the guy running the hot-dog wagon outside 666 Fifth Avenue think?

Sick burn.

The press won’t interview that hot dog vendor unless he’s a disillusioned Trump supporter.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:09:15pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

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Some lawyer and big political candidate maker he is.

Damn, there are a lot of butts showing.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:09:25pm

re: #293 Dr. Matt

LOL-> Trump ally Alex Jones: Donald Trump Jr. was “doing his job … trying to find Russian spies”

Alex Jones seems to have forgotten the other, less well-known Golden Rule: Never get high on your own supply.

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garzooma  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:09:53pm

re: #224 Mattand

I also cannot believe any competent lawyer would tell his client to release the evidence proving his guilt to the public.

I saw a comment at TPM suggesting maybe the lawyer found out about the Trump record on paying lawyers.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:10:06pm

re: #300 jaunte

“Can we at least talk about what was NOT in the Junior emails? No talk of inviting the Russian army to invade NYC or San Francisco? No talk of allowing Russia to inject poison gas into the water systems of Philadelphia and Boston and L.A.?”

///

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:10:19pm

re: #265 jaunte

re: #289 Sir John Barron

As I tweeted to someone earlier today:
Prince & Fienberg are just a couple steps away from being Bond villains

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:11:13pm

re: #300 jaunte

The Clinton Foundation set those up, I believe.

//

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:11:17pm

re: #307 Sir John Barron

Rupert Murdoch folds Fox into “Whattabout News.”

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:12:34pm
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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:13:03pm

re: #293 Dr. Matt

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:13:21pm

nytimes.com

What David Brooks doesn’t say in all this hand-wringing is “I’m fine with all this.” /s

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wrenchwench  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:13:45pm

I gotta fix bikes (and a trike). Where’s the podcast version of this thread? I can’t read and mechanic without hurting myself and my patients.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:14:06pm

re: #311 Ace-o-aces

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This just amuses me because Trump’s own people talk about Jr behind his back.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:14:18pm

re: #267 Sir John Barron

Recently I took a friend with only a high school degree to lunch. Insensitively, I led her into a gourmet sandwich shop. Suddenly I saw her face freeze up as she was confronted with sandwiches named “Padrino” and “Pomodoro” and ingredients like soppressata, capicollo and a striata baguette. I quickly asked her if she wanted to go somewhere else and she anxiously nodded yes and we ate Mexican.

“…where she was confronted with things called ‘Tacos’ and ‘Burritos’, filled with ingredients like Carnitas, Carne Asada, Chile Verde, Al Pastor, and Lengua, and served with things called Frijoles, Arroz, Queso, Crema, and Guacamole.

“So we had Chinese instead.”

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:14:57pm

The Rude One is in a rude mood.

Let’s do this one more time, President Pussygrabber McCrazy. Consider this a lesson in the law.

James Comey could have leaked all the classified information he could get his large hands on.

Hillary Clinton could have mishandled classified emails and done something something with uranium and Russia.

Bill Clinton could have told Loretta Lynch exactly what to say about Hillary.

Every news channel that isn’t Fox could be totally fake.

Barack Obama could have done nothing about Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Democrats could have colluded with Russians or Ukrainians or another foreign country during the election.

All the intelligence agencies could be leaking to do damage to the administration.

All of those things can be true, but none of them change the fact that you can still be guilty of obstruction of justice.

A murderer cannot use as a defense that his neighbor is a murderer, too. But both Trump and his son constantly tweet out what they say others are guilty of, as if to say, “If you let them get away with it, you have to let us get away with it.” It’s like neither of them understand that Hillary Clinton isn’t the president and that Barack Obama is out of office.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:15:20pm

re: #314 wrenchwench

I gotta fix bikes (and a trike). Where’s the podcast version of this thread? I can’t read and mechanic without hurting myself and my patients.

LOL. What about it, Mr. Johnson? Is it possible to write software that will read out each post as they go up across a computer’s or cell phone’s speakers? Maybe a woman’s voice for a woman and a man’s voice for a man? (I’m not sure how that would be rendered for posts in Wingnut font though.)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:15:25pm

re: #316 Blind Frog Belly White

“…where she was confronted with things called ‘Tacos’ and ‘Burritos’, filled with ingredients like Carnitas, Carne Asada, Chile Verde, Al Pastor, and Lengua, and served with things called Frijoles, Arroz, Queso, Crema, and Guacamole.

“So we had Chinese instead.”

But, but, but, how else do you make the Mexican = poor equivalency?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:16:38pm

re: #316 Blind Frog Belly White

“…where she was confronted with things called ‘Tacos’ and ‘Burritos’, filled with ingredients like Carnitas, Carne Asada, Chile Verde, Al Pastor, and Lengua, and served with things called Frijoles, Arroz, Queso, Crema, and Guacamole.

“So we had Chinese instead.”

Yeah I don’t think Brooks thought his smug andecote over.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:17:02pm

re: #316 Blind Frog Belly White

“I ordered the ahuatle for David.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:17:32pm

re: #292 Targetpractice

Oh fuck, it’s the standard “Privileged old white fuck tries to act as though he cares about the poors.” The man who regularly lectures the same poors about how they need to stop fucking without his permission now wants to style himself as their champion.

Brooks is not as clever as he thinks if he figures nobody will deduce this article as a swipe at the “liberal elite.”

I’m sure this High School Graduate friend is somebody he met at the Salad bar at Applebees.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:18:11pm

Did someone say Trump weasels?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:18:16pm

re: #316 Blind Frog Belly White

“…where she was confronted with things called ‘Tacos’ and ‘Burritos’, filled with ingredients like Carnitas, Carne Asada, Chile Verde, Al Pastor, and Lengua, and served with things called Frijoles, Arroz, Queso, Crema, and Guacamole.

“So we had Chinese instead.”

Next Brooks Column: There are many Mexican restaurants in America. Why are there so many? What does this say about White Working Class people who want jobs in which English is spoken and want restaurants where they can understand the menu? I attribute the problem to a surplus of elite colleges which contribute to the problem of surplus foreign eateries.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:18:30pm

re: #302 harlequinade

Is this tainting the jury pool?

I mean - putting the mails out there, having everyone comment on them. If Don Jnr isn’t in Govt, he can be arrested and stand trial etc. But - how are they going to find people without an opinion?

They always find a jury. People will claim they have an open mind even if they had heard of the crime.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:18:51pm

re: #312 Kragar

Sadly, it’s only a matter of time before Fox, the Deplorables, and DJT start claiming Spy Hunting WAS Junior’s job.

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makeitstop  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:19:05pm

Heh

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:20:23pm

Shorter Brooks column: “The poor are dumb, panicky creatures that cannot survive in an unfamiliar environment.”

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:20:28pm

re: #294 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔ @Green_Footballs
It’s really pretty amazing to see all the Trump weasels coming up with one self-contradictory excuse after another.
4:06 PM - 11 Jul 2017
Retweets 4 4 likes

Actually I would use the word ‘pathetic.’

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:20:52pm

re: #326 Dr. Matt

Sadly, it’s only a matter of time before Fox, the Deplorables, and DJT start claiming Spy Hunting WAS Junior’s job.

Junior is actually a secret CIA agent who the failing NYT inadvertently, or purposely, outted so now we may never catch the Russian spies who colluded with Hillary Clinton to fix the election.

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jaunte  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:21:03pm

Crazyman Roger Stone:

On the pushback:
There’s an emerging strategy to turn this back around on the Democrats.
An extreme example of this approach is Roger Stone, who texted Axios: “The president can turn the tables and dominate the dialogue by ordering the indictment of [James] Clapper, [John] Brennan, [Susan] Rice and [former president Barack] Obama for the wholesale unconstitutional surveillance of Americans… I would seriously arrest [and] perp walk every one of these criminals, making as big a show of it as possible.”axios.com

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:21:49pm

re: #330 Sir John Barron

Junior is actually a secret CIA agent who the failing NYT inadvertently, or purposely, outted so now we may never catch the Russian spies who colluded with Hillary Clinton to fix the election.

He’s a double-naught spy!

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:22:14pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:22:17pm

re: #319 klys (maker of Silmarils)

But, but, but, how else do you make the Mexican = poor equivalency?

Lucky there’s a Taco Truck on every corner.
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Seriously, though - the use of Mexican food as the relatable thing this Regular Josephine can order without feeling looked-down-on is telling in two ways - first, he’s really saying “Italian = Elite; Mexican = Common”, but interestingly it signals the extent to which Mexican culture has become part of America.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:22:28pm

re: #331 jaunte

Crazyman Roger Stone:

Not how things work Rog but we know that you wish you lived in a dictatorship.

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Mattand  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:23:05pm

re: #324 Sir John Barron

Next Brooks Column: There are many Mexican restaurants in America. Why are there so many? What does this say about White Working Class people who want jobs in which English is spoken and want restaurants where they can understand the menu? I attribute the problem to a surplus of elite colleges which contribute to the problem of surplus foreign eateries.

Oh for fuck’s sake. I only saw the excerpt where the woman had a panic attack because they were within 100 yards of an Au Bon Pain and switched to Mexican. Which surprised me, given the current GOP mindset towards Mexicans.

I should have seen that response coming.

I should probably read the article before passing judgment, but the excerpts I’ve seen seem to indicate like Brooks thinks he stumbled on some kind of hereto unknown scientific theory.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:24:01pm

The funny thing is despite being predominantly of British, German, & Irish heritage, that influence really isn’t reflected in our dining habits.

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:24:01pm

re: #331 jaunte

Crazyman Roger Stone:

Which would work right up until the defense notes that much of the programs that the Obama admin used were started under Bush, using powers that the Republican-dominated legislature voted to him. And topped off with “Under this administration’s reading of the law, the president can do and order anything he likes, so why could previous administrations not do the same?”

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Interesting Times  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:24:49pm

re: #297 ObserverArt

If more people turn out to vote, Bernie handled things better and Johnson and Stein are not in the running is the game still fixed?

If that all lead to a Hillary win, is the game still fixed?

Everything else would still have been in place.

All of that could have been true but yes, the game was indeed still fixed thanks to GOPer voter suppression and gerrymandering (how much lasting good could HRC have done with a GOPer congress out to impeach her from Day 1?)

That’s why I keep saying voter suppression/gerrymandering needs to be fought in every feasible way (e.g. court challenges, and while all that’s going on, aggressive fundraising and registration drives to help voter suppression targets get the IDs they need. Oh, and everyone already registered needs to regularly check to make sure they haven’t been purged from the rolls :/ )

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:25:32pm

I live in a small town. We have a Thai and Salvadoran restaurant in town. Not to mention Italian, Chinese. Me thinks Brooks is too smug.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:25:51pm

re: #328 Targetpractice

Shorter Brooks column: “The poor are dumb, panicky creatures that cannot survive in an unfamiliar environment.”

David Brooks fits quite well into my “coastal elite” book. He is a condescending jerk.

He willing to bring his college degree out here and work on a ranch or farm for a summer? No? Maybe he oughtn’t disparage the people who keep him fed.

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:26:11pm

re: #316 Blind Frog Belly White

“…where she was confronted with things called ‘Tacos’ and ‘Burritos’, filled with ingredients like Carnitas, Carne Asada, Chile Verde, Al Pastor, and Lengua, and served with things called Frijoles, Arroz, Queso, Crema, and Guacamole.

“So we had Chinese instead.”

What do you expect. Brooks eats Trump Tower Taco Bowls. He knows burnt lightly seasoned ground beef, iceburg lettuce, some cheddar cheese and taco sauce.

It’s all Mexican to him!

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:26:13pm

re: #336 Mattand

Oh for fuck’s sake. I only saw the excerpt where the woman had a panic attack because they were within 100 yards of an Au Bon Pain and switched to Mexican. Which surprised me, given the current GOP mindset towards Mexicans.

I should have seen that response coming.

I should probably read the article before passing judgment, but the excerpts I’ve seen seem to indicate like Brooks thinks he stumbled on some kind of hereto unknown scientific theory.

Long and short of it: He’s trying to blame the upper-middle class “elite” (read: liberals) for creating an environment where the poor cannot advance.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:27:15pm

re: #343 Targetpractice

Long and short of it: He’s trying to blame the upper-middle class “elite” (read: liberals) for creating an environment where the poor cannot advance.

Meanwhile us elites shop at mom and pop restaurants owned by immigrants.

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Mattand  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:27:24pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

Not how things work Rog but we know that you wish you lived in a dictatorship.

Thinking the exact same thing.

I was talking with the better half about this last night. Far, far too many people voted for Trump because that’s what they want: a dictator who will instantly jail anyone they dislike.

This is why I get so ambivalent about American patriotism. So many people wave the flag like a holy relic to be venerated without question, and then vote for a monster like Trump, because both he and they think that being an American president gives you the right to imprison anyone who has the slightest disagreement with you.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:28:43pm

re: #342 ObserverArt

What do you expect. Brooks eats Trump Tower Taco Bowls. He knows burnt lightly seasoned ground beef, iceburg lettuce, some cheddar cheese and taco sauce.

It’s all Mexican to him!

Heh that reminds me of when me, my brother, & niece went to an authentic Mexican spot. My niece always was happy when she heard Spanish spoken by the abuelas since she no doubt thought of her own.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:28:50pm

Matt Yglesias and I are thinking the same thing…

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:29:12pm

But if you suggested to Brooks that things like a higher minimum wage, free college educations, or single-payer would allow the poor to climb their way up the economic ladder easier and Republicans are opposed to all these, his eyes would spin faster than a slot machine.

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Mattand  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:29:39pm

re: #343 Targetpractice

Long and short of it: He’s trying to blame the upper-middle class “elite” (read: liberals) for creating an environment where the poor cannot advance.

I always knew ordering a panini at the Corner Bakery in Center City Philly would doom us all.

But I did it anyway. Who knew destroying America would be so tasty?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:29:47pm

re: #340 HappyWarrior

I live in a small town. We have a Thai and Salvadoran restaurant in town. Not to mention Italian, Chinese. Me thinks Brooks is too smug.

I live in a small town. We have a bar and grill.

That said, within sixty miles of my home are several Mexican, several Chinese, one Cambodian, one Thai, one Greek, and one French restaurant.

Perhaps Mr. Brooks would like to come to rural western Nebraska and do restaurant reviews for our culture-poor and downtrodden masses.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:31:02pm

re: #348 Targetpractice

But if you suggested to Brooks that things like a higher minimum wage, free college educations, or single-payer would allow the poor to climb their way up the economic ladder easier and Republicans are opposed to all these, his eyes would spin faster than a slot machine.

Indeed, conservatives like Brooks are the real elitists. There’s nothing elitist about wanting to try new foods with exotic names. As I said many of these ethnic eateries are owned by immigrants. Brooks can shove it.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:31:12pm

re: #299 wrenchwench

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:31:32pm

re: #350 Anymouse 🌹

I live in a small town. We have a bar and grill.

That said, within sixty miles of my home are several Mexican, several Chinese, one Cambodian, one Thai, one Greek, and one French restaurant.

Perhaps Mr. Brooks would like to come to rural western Nebraska and do restaurant reviews for our culture-poor and downtrodden masses.

Damn Cambodian sounds intriguing.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:32:16pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

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Mattand  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:32:24pm

re: #353 HappyWarrior

Damn Cambodian sounds intriguing.

All of this talk about Thai is now giving me a hankering for drunken noodles.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:32:31pm

re: #347 Blind Frog Belly White

Matt Yglesias and I are thinking the same thing…

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Corn tortilla or go home!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:32:42pm

re: #331 jaunte

Crazyman Roger Stone:

Yeah that would go over well.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:32:44pm

re: #340 HappyWarrior

I live in a small town. We have a Thai and Salvadoran restaurant in town. Not to mention Italian, Chinese. Me thinks Brooks is too smug.

Hell, I can remember Portland, OR having an Ethiopian restaurant back in the 1980s. Good place; it’s long gone now but other Ethiopian restaurants have taken its place.

Also, a Chinese restaurant with a name that always elicited a snicker - Hung Far Low. That was a great place and was in business from 1928 until 2015, when they went under. The original Hung Far Low sign is still there, which is cool.

My fave place in Portland? The House of Louie.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:33:38pm

re: #350 Anymouse 🌹

I live in a small town. We have a bar and grill.

That said, within sixty miles of my home are several Mexican, several Chinese, one Cambodian, one Thai, one Greek, and one French restaurant.

Perhaps Mr. Brooks would like to come to rural western Nebraska and do restaurant reviews for our culture-poor and downtrodden masses.

Calvin Trillin used to write about coming into a new town on a trip, and asking where to eat, and being told to eat at what he called, “La Maison de la Casa House, Continental Cuisine”, where the usual fare was something stuffed with something else, in a cream sauce, or as he called it, ‘Stuff-Stuff with Heavy”.

One of the best things to happen to this country, food-wise, was both the proliferation of genuine ethnic restaurants (run by genuine ethnics!), and the loss of shame over American food.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:33:39pm

re: #355 Mattand

All of this talk about Thai is now giving me a hankering for drunken noodles.

Yes. I hear ya. I like Thai more than I do Chinese. I never feel bloated. I would like to try a more authentic Chinese place eventually.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:34:01pm
Poor Frederick Sorrell is just an ignorant fellow who loves America and doesn’t know why he ever became so afraid of Muslims, said the poor lad of 49 years Monday, after pleading not guilty. Sorrell was arrested Friday on charges of second degree intimidation with a bias crime enhancement. He seems genuinely sad that he was arrested, at least. Back on May 29, he was feeling a bit more confident in his ignorance: He’s accused of swerving toward a Muslim couple in their car as he tailed them for over 20 blocks in Portland, yelling slurs at them and making a gesture that mimicked firing a gun at them.

The Oregon Committee of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said Sorrell had driven alongside the couple, swerved as if to hit them several times, and shouted “Take off the fucking burka,” “this is America,” and “go back to your fucking country” before pretending to shoot at them with an invisible gun. The harassment took place three days after a white supremacist killed two people trying to intervene when that bigot was yelling at two young women on a light rail train.

More at Wonkette.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:34:40pm

re: #356 HappyWarrior

Corn tortilla or go home!

Yeah, well, if it ain’t corn, it ain’t a taco.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:34:45pm

re: #358 Dr Lizardo

Hell, I can remember Portland, OR having an Ethiopian restaurant back in the 1980s. Good place; it’s long gone now but other Ethiopian restaurants have taken its place.

Also, a Chinese restaurant with a name that always elicited a snicker - Hung Far Low. That was a great place and was in business from 1928 until 2015, when they went under. The original Hung Far Low sign is still there, which is cool.

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You know, Ethiopian didn’t do it for me. The sponge bread I dunno. Now the Indian naan, man Iove that.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:35:01pm

re: #362 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, well, if it ain’t corn, it ain’t a taco.

Zactly.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:35:14pm

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:35:44pm

re: #339 Interesting Times

All of that could have been true but yes, the game was indeed still fixed thanks to GOPer voter suppression and gerrymandering (how much lasting good could HRC have done with a GOPer congress out to impeach her from Day 1?)

That’s why I keep saying voter suppression/gerrymandering needs to be fought in every feasible way (e.g. court challenges, and while all that’s going on, aggressive fundraising and registration drives to help voter suppression targets get the IDs they need. Oh, and everyone already registered needs to regularly check to make sure they haven’t been purged from the rolls :/ )

I agree with what you said. I don’t think that is what Bert was saying though…maybe I misunderstood. I thought he was saying it was going to turn the way it did because is was simply a fixed outcome.

But overall, I broke my own new rule. That is try to ignore the negative and just move along. Sorry I was drawn in. Again.

Break time. Later.

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:36:39pm

re: #353 HappyWarrior

Damn Cambodian sounds intriguing.

Place around the corned from me sells Shawarma tacos

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:36:43pm

re: #353 HappyWarrior

Damn Cambodian sounds intriguing.

It is a really good restaurant. I don’t know the names of the dishes on the menu written in Cambodian script (so I read the English script, or simply ask).

That is the other part of Mr. Brooks’s column that seems a bit disingenuous: Pretty much every restaurant I have been in that uses foreign language in its menus also describes the dishes in English.

I don’t know what the dishes he wrote about are, either. But I’ll bet they are on that restaurant’s menu in English or his guest could simply ask.

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Belafon  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:37:12pm

re: #365 Dr. Matt

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The image up top reminds me of the ads for “Decker: Unsealed” that show up on Cartoon Network. I haven’t watched the show, but his reaction to just about anything is to drop his jaw like Don Jr.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:37:40pm

OT, vacation and running stuff. Skip as desired.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:37:56pm

re: #363 HappyWarrior

You know, Ethiopian didn’t do it for me. The sponge bread I dunno. Now the Indian naan, man Iove that.

We have a couple of Indian restaurants here in Ostrava, and they do brisk business. Also, a couple of Vietnamese restaurants and a new Vietnamese street food joint opening up next month downtown.

These places amongst others, including a Mexican restaurant, have all opened in the last six years; the times, they are a-changin’.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:38:33pm

re: #354 Joe Bacon 🌹

Putin and his pals are now ROTFLTAO in The Kremlin!

Yeah. Makes me fukkin’ ill.

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Jay C  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:38:49pm

re: #343 Targetpractice

Long and short of it: He’s trying to blame the upper-middle class “elite” (read: liberals) for creating an environment where the poor cannot advance.

And of course (Brooks being the BFD “cultural commentator” that he is), said environment seems to have little or nothing to do with economic opportunities, or education (i.e. reality), but is entirely a set of snob/elitist cultural “signifiers”: the sort that his unfortunate (and probably fictional) baffled-by-soppressata friend isn’t likely to get. Unless, of course, she’s prepped for her safari to the Food Court Of Elitist Exotica by reading David Brooks’ collected columns…

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ObserverArt  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:39:08pm

re: #345 Mattand

Thinking the exact same thing.

I was talking with the better half about this last night. Far, far too many people voted for Trump because that’s what they want: a dictator who will instantly jail anyone they dislike.

This is why I get so ambivalent about American patriotism. So many people wave the flag like a holy relic to be venerated without question, and then vote for a monster like Trump, because both he and they think that being an American president gives you the right to imprison anyone who has the slightest disagreement with you.

What you really just described is American brand fascism. Complete with symbology (the flag) and the heavy handed iconic leader that is going to fix everything on the backs of the others (Trump). We all should be scared of that.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:40:25pm

re: #368 Anymouse 🌹

It is a really good restaurant. I don’t know the names of the dishes on the menu written in Cambodian script (so I read the English script, or simply ask).

That is the other part of Mr. Brooks’s column that seems a bit disingenuous: Pretty much every restaurant I have been in that uses foreign language in its menus also describes the dishes in English.

I don’t know what the dishes he wrote about are, either. But I’ll bet they are on that restaurant’s menu in English or his guest could simply ask.

I love trying new food. When I was in NYC last week, I had Kathi rolls, think Burritos but with Indian fillings and bread.

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:41:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:41:46pm

re: #371 Dr Lizardo

We have a couple of Indian restaurants here in Ostrava, and they do brisk business. Also, a couple of Vietnamese restaurants and a new Vietnamese street food joint opening up next month downtown.

These places amongst others, including a Mexican restaurant, have all opened in the last six years; the times, they are a-changin’.

Mexican in the CR. D.C has a Czech restaurant I went to. Need to head back.

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:42:24pm

re: #376 Kragar

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The GOP wishes they could have found this sort of smoking gun over the last 8 years.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:42:42pm

re: #376 Kragar

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Yeah blame the media Ted. BTW how does it feel to throw your dad and wife under the bus for Trump?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:43:14pm

re: #367 Kragar

Place around the corned from me sells Shawarma tacos

Fusion!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:44:35pm

With my SiL being Peruvian, I’ve fallen for that cuisine. Brother and I with our Euromutt heritage like to joke about our cultures shared love of potatoes.

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:45:50pm

re: #380 HappyWarrior

Fusion!

Meanwhile at home, I make kimchee ramen with carnitas and pico de gallo.

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:46:17pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:46:33pm

re: #363 HappyWarrior

You know, Ethiopian didn’t do it for me. The sponge bread I dunno. Now the Indian naan, man Iove that.

I’ve been to Ethiopian places a couple times, and while the food is good, it’s not exactly memorable - to me, anyway. De gustibus non est disputandum.

There are just too many OTHER good cuisines out here. Recently, a Cuban place opened up nearby. At first they struggled, but they seem to have recovered and MAN, the Lechon…. It’s what I’ve always wanted pork shoulder to be like! You can keep your Cubanos, just give me some of the lechon. It’s so good I can’t get to the rest of the menu.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:46:34pm

re: #382 Kragar

Meanwhile at home, I make kimchee ramen with carnitas and pico de gallo.

Brilliant

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:46:34pm

On David Brooks’s scary restaurant menu:

When my wife and I were in Gdansk, Poland, we went into a Mexican restaurant. (Mexican restaurants are very popular there.)

Turns out the place had the names of the dishes in Polish and Spanish. There were no Poles scared of eating foreign food because they couldn’t read the menu.

Brooks’s story reads like he is lying to push a narrative to me.

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:46:37pm

Seriously, this has to sting for the GOP. 8 years of obsessing over “scandal” after “scandal” and never being able to find more than a “looks bad” moment amongst all of them. They had to settle for inferring intent in order to argue that Hillary should be indicted. Then Don Jr does the equiv of publishing the missing 18 minutes of Nixon audio tape on the internet and all the GOP can do is act as though it’s a non-issue.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:46:51pm

re: #382 Kragar

Meanwhile at home, I make kimchee ramen with carnitas and pico de gallo.

Kimchi+natto is the real power couple!

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:46:54pm

re: #337 HappyWarrior

The funny thing is despite being predominantly of British, German, & Irish heritage, that influence really isn’t reflected in our dining habits.

It’s totally a British dining habit to eat food that comes from any culture other than British.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:47:28pm

College teaches critical thinking, like how to ask “what’s that?”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:47:33pm

re: #389 Renaissance_Man

It’s totally a British dining habit to eat food that comes from any culture other than British.

Ha true.

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Targetpractice  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:47:55pm

re: #386 Anymouse 🌹

On David Brooks’s scary restaurant menu:

When my wife and I were in Gdansk, Poland, we went into a Mexican restaurant. (Mexican restaurants are very popular there.)

Turns out the place had the names of the dishes in Polish and Spanish. There were no Poles scared of eating foreign food because they couldn’t read the menu.

Brooks’s story reads like he is lying to push a narrative to me.

A smug prick of a pundit creating a fantasy character in order to push a narrative?

Quelle surprise.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:49:04pm

Well, good night Lizards. All this food talk is making me think I’mma stop off at our local Mexican restaurant on the way home from work tomorrow, LOL.

Have a good one.

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Kragar  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:49:21pm

re: #389 Renaissance_Man

It’s totally a British dining habit to eat food that comes from any culture other than British.

Brexit explained:

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:50:00pm

re: #379 HappyWarrior

Yeah blame the media Ted. BTW how does it feel to throw your dad and wife under the bus for Trump?

Give Senator Cruz a break. It’s not as though the Trumpisti had betrayed Canada.

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:50:05pm

re: #386 Anymouse 🌹

On David Brooks’s scary restaurant menu:

When my wife and I were in Gdansk, Poland, we went into a Mexican restaurant. (Mexican restaurants are very popular there.)

Turns out the place had the names of the dishes in Polish and Spanish. There were no Poles scared of eating foreign food because they couldn’t read the menu.

Brooks’s story reads like he is lying to push a narrative to me.

That was my take. Gee, you don’t know what something means? I betcha it’s on the menu. All bullshit all the time with these folks.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:50:16pm

re: #392 Targetpractice

A smug prick of a pundit creating a fantasy character in order to push a narrative?

Quelle surprise.

My wife went screaming when I introduced her to poutine in Canada, despite her three university degrees. (Wait, no she didn’t - obviously going to college inoculated her against foreign food. /s)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:51:33pm

re: #380 HappyWarrior

Fusion!

Corn Fusion!

Or, you know, it ain’t a taco…

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MsJ  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:52:03pm

re: #389 Renaissance_Man

It’s totally a British dining habit to eat food that comes from any culture other than British.

Have you ever eaten British food? Ick. Styrofoam peanuts have more flavor.

They think celery has too strong a flavor. (Not making that up…I was at lunch with one of my training classes a few years ago and this was what was said to me.)

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Archangelus  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:52:28pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:55:39pm

re: #381 HappyWarrior

With my SiL being Peruvian, I’ve fallen for that cuisine. Brother and I with our Euromutt heritage like to joke about our cultures shared love of potatoes.

The POTATO!

SUPERFOOD of the Incas, AND the Irish!!

Considering that one was conquered by Spain and the other by England, I’m not sure that’s a recommendation.

Also very popular with the Germans, who were conquered by everybody else….
/////

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:56:30pm

re: #399 MsJ

Have you ever eaten British food? Ick. Styrofoam peanuts have more flavor.

They think celery has too strong a flavor. (Not making that up…I was at lunch with one of my training classes a few years ago and this was what was said to me.)

They put cucumbers on sandwiches, and in drinks.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 11, 2017 • 1:58:35pm

re: #401 Blind Frog Belly White

Considering that one was conquered by Spain and the other by England, I’m not sure that’s a recommendation.

Also very popular with the Germans, who were conquered by everybody else….
/////

Haggis is the only true foodstuff of irredentists,

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:01:16pm

re: #403 Decatur Deb

Haggis is the only true foodstuff of irredentists,

Irredentists. That must explain the thing with their teeth.

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BeachDem  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:18:27pm

re: #284 makeitstop

That woman is the same as Tom Friedman’s eponymous ‘cab driver’ who never fails to clue him in on what the Great Unwashed are thinking.

AKA, a plot device.

And Peggy Noonan’s Mexican. Hmmm—has anyone ever seen Peggy and David at the same time?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 11, 2017 • 2:55:06pm

re: #358 Dr Lizardo

Hell, I can remember Portland, OR having an Ethiopian restaurant back in the 1980s. Good place; it’s long gone now but other Ethiopian restaurants have taken its place.

Also, a Chinese restaurant with a name that always elicited a snicker - Hung Far Low. That was a great place and was in business from 1928 until 2015, when they went under. The original Hung Far Low sign is still there, which is cool.

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Brings back happy memories of when I lived in Chicago and I loved going to Jimmy Wong’s on Wabash in the Loop. Greatest Hong Kong Steak in the world—New York Strip smothered in stir fried veggies!

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caseyjr  Jul 11, 2017 • 3:39:21pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Haha. Sure Alex. Sure.

“We have binders full of Russians”

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TedStriker  Jul 11, 2017 • 4:25:45pm

re: #399 MsJ

Have you ever eaten British food? Ick. Styrofoam peanuts have more flavor.

They think celery has too strong a flavor. (Not making that up…I was at lunch with one of my training classes a few years ago and this was what was said to me.)

Dunno…FWIW, proper British-style fish and chips is fucking tasty.


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