Amazing Drummer Nate Smith and KINFOLK: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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Nov. 3, 2017 | Suraya Mohamed — Rhythm is the foundation for many a musical experience. Its driving pulse yields a power that quite often demands movement - a toe to tap, a body to sway. But drummer Nate Smith provides more than just a beat. He intentionally weaves nuanced rhythmic counterpoint in and out of his catchy melodies and dulcet harmonies.

Just try to discern the multiple time signatures in the first tune, “Skip Step” Syncopated yet steady, its rhythmic motifs bolster Jon Cowherd’s keyboard riff and the song’s melodic statement, played in unison by saxophonist Jaleel Shaw and guitarist Jeremy Most.

The quintet slides right into “Retold,” a beautiful song with a nostalgic melody that suggests a quiet moment for personal reflection and self-discovery. On “Pages,” Smith welcomed vocalist Amma Whatt to the stage (so to speak). She wrote the lyrics for Smith’s 2017 album Kinfolk: Postcards From Everywhere, his first eponymous record after a 15-year career performing with other jazz artists like Chris Potter and Dave Holland.

What really impressed the audience was the performance of Smith’s self described “short but angry” final tune, “Rambo: The Vigilante.” Hypnotized by its shifting time signatures, this fusion jam is punctuated with a haunting rock lick played simultaneously by the entire band, and seamlessly aligned with Smith’s dazzling display of dexterous genius.

Set List

“Skip Step”
“Retold”
“Pages”
“Rambo: The Vigilante”

Musicians

Nate Smith (drums); Jaleel Shaw (saxophone); Amma Whatt (vocals); Fima Ephron (bass); Jon Cowherd (keyboard); Jeremy Most (guitar)

Credits

Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Producers: Suraya Mohamed, Morgan Noelle Smith; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Niki Walker, Nicholas Garbaty, Alyse Young; Editor: Niki WalkerProduction Assistant: Salvatore Maicki; Photo: Claire Harbage/NPR

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jaunte  Nov 10, 2017 • 8:59:06pm

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Adler noted that Confederate veterans are not recognized by Congress as U.S. veterans.

That should have been the end of it. It’s past time to stop allowing these people to continue celebrating traitors to our nation.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:13:47pm

From the CL’d thread:

Veteran’s Day is closing, and the real Armistice Day is about to begin. This group, which did a powerful song about the D-Day landings, also has done a memorial to the Battle of Paschendaele. Note the text .

Police Dog Hogan - Devon Brigade

policedoghogan.com

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wheat-dogg  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:15:51pm

re: #2 jaunte

That should have been the end of it. It’s past time to stop allowing these people to continue celebrating traitors to our nation.

As far as I know, the USA is the only country that remembers its Civil War with any kind of fondness, or that still admires the losing side for its “noble cause.”

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Kragar  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:16:03pm
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allegro  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:21:31pm

re: #4 wheat-dogg

As far as I know, the USA is the only country that remembers its Civil War with any kind of fondness, or that still admires the losing side for its “noble cause.”

See Mitchell, Margaret.

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makeitstop  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:21:42pm

Exhausting day. (Long rant warning.)

I spent over two hours today on Facebook arguing with a woman who didn’t believe the (then-)allegations against Louis CK because she ‘liked’ him. This same woman regularly excoriates Bill Clinton for being a sexual predator, and she used every damn trick in the book - it was a long time ago (???), the woman were drinking in his hotel room, maybe they all knew each other and colluded and cooked up the story so they could take CK’s money. It went on until CK released his statement and I posted it on the thread.

At that point, I posted the statement on my page remarking that it was a solid apology and my hope that he’d seek help. I was almost immediately attacked by another woman for ‘patting CK on the back’ and told I was anti-woman for posting the statement.

I went out for dinner, and when I got home I checked the thread, and this woman got into a flame war with another friend of mine and called me an asshole for ‘letting this happen.’

Like I was supposed to have been sitting there baby-sitting a goddamn Facebook thread instead of enjoying the end of my work week with my wife.

So I posted a general request for all involved to step the fuck back and be civil, and the woman’s response was that the request for civility was bullshit.

At that point I turned off notifications on the thread and started drinking. Some days you just can’t win.

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jaunte  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:22:12pm

re: #4 wheat-dogg

I think we’re the only country that allowed the losing side to write (and live) its own history.
amazon.com

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Charles Johnson  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:26:58pm

Ugh. My chronic back problem has flared up again and I can barely walk. Happens about once a year.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:30:03pm

re: #6 allegro

See Mitchell, Margaret.

I remember the Civil War Centennial in the early 60s. There was serious history presented, to be sure, but most of the public commemoration seemed like a long Disney skit devoted to the Lost Cause and the sterling success of national reconciliation. There was almost no acknowledgement of slavery or of the Jim Crow legacy that was otherwise boiling over into strife and imminent change all through the former Confederacy.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:36:51pm

Help me out, who was that bug nuts crazy east coast GOP lawyer guy whose wife taped him making all those bizarre threats like two years ago? I’m drawing a blank.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:43:16pm

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

Help me out, who was that bug nuts crazy east coast GOP lawyer guy whose wife taped him making all those bizarre threats like two years ago? I’m drawing a blank.

I think I know who you mean……I forgot his name though. Yeah, he was a repellent individual; his wife taped him making threats against her, IIRC.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:43:30pm

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

At least they acknowledge the Vietnam anti-war movement by letting an old hippie carry the American flag.
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:44:55pm

From the last thread, because it died while I was trying to keep track of fifteen open tabs on my browser:
re: #130 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m so glad I’m here at LGF.

Appreciate that Charles made this a home for sanity!

re: #159 Anymouse 🌹

Thanks to Mr. Johnson from me as well, a home for a lonely liberal living in a vast land of wingnuts.

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Kragar  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:46:13pm

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

Todd Kincannon?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:46:51pm

re: #13 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

At least they acknowledge the Vietnam anti-war movement by letting an old hippie carry the American flag.
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Hey, my village put this (almost) hippie and anti-Vietnam child and teen in charge of the town flag committee. (I’m not sure if it’s because I know the Flag Code inside out and backwards, or because irony is dead.)

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:47:10pm

re: #15 Kragar

Todd Kincannon?

That’s the lunatic I was thinking of. Thanks!

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:48:27pm

re: #15 Kragar

Todd Kincannon?

That’s the guy.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:49:05pm

Also, remember this weirdo?

This could be a whole reality show, “The real fucking crazy dudes of the GOP - WHERE ARE THEY NOW?”

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:50:31pm

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

Also, remember this weirdo?

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This could be a whole reality show, “The real fucking crazy dudes of the GOP - WHERE ARE THEY NOW?”

I’d love to see an international edition of that; there’s so many lunatics out there the show has the potential to last forever.

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BeachDem  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:50:39pm

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

That’s the lunatic I was thinking of. Thanks!

Todd and his whacky mother, Roxie.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:54:13pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Please take care, Charles. I struggle with the double whammy of rheumatoid arthritis and Type 2. I know what those pain spasms feel like and I wouldn’t wish them on anyone else!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:55:40pm

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

That’s the guy.

Did Twitter ever reinstate him?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 10, 2017 • 9:58:24pm

re: #23 Joe Bacon 🌹

Did Twitter ever reinstate him?

I have no idea. He’s not worth my time or trouble to check out.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 10, 2017 • 10:11:37pm

So, Is Miller Next?????

Fascinating piece here in the Times applying some Times level sleuthing to shed more light on those Papadopoulos court documents from last week. We get some idea of the backstory of Joseph Mifsud, apparently a failing and shambling academic career that was on its final skid when Russians showed up in 2014 with money and newfound respectability, an old story. Other gaps of the story are filled in. But the big one is Stephen Miller.

According to the Times, Miller is the “senior policy advisor” referenced in the Papadopoulos court documents. He was the only unnamed player still unidentified. This means that Miller was one of the top Trump advisors Papadopoulos was keeping posted on his efforts to set up meetings between Russian officials and Trump campaign officials, perhaps even (preposterous as it may seem) a meeting between Trump and Putin himself.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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prairiefire  Nov 10, 2017 • 10:39:15pm

re: #4 wheat-dogg

Perhaps because we did not commit genocide.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 10, 2017 • 10:40:37pm

Back on the previous thread (Samantha Bee on alleged Russian trolling social media) I both had to laugh and facepalm over the Blacktivist account on Facebook (with more followers than the verified Black Lives Matter account) telling voters “to do the most useless thing they could do: vote for Jill Stein.”

I really hope Mr. Mueller has a few questions lined up for the Green Party gadfly.

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prairiefire  Nov 10, 2017 • 10:45:41pm

re: #22 Joe Bacon 🌹

((Joe))

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prairiefire  Nov 10, 2017 • 10:50:30pm

re: #20 Dr Lizardo

Lunatics with a lot money and connections.

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freetoken  Nov 10, 2017 • 11:05:48pm
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Single-handed sailor  Nov 10, 2017 • 11:35:01pm

Heh, I saw this over in the comments at Daily Caller

Flynn is the literal embodiment of a Turducken.
A Chicken Ducking questions about Turkey.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 10, 2017 • 11:38:07pm

Dim Jim is bragging about protesters drowning out Muslim prayers in a Paris suburb. As you might guess, the real story is more nuanced than he lets on.

The local Muslim community needs a larger mosque, but the non-Muslims have so far blocked efforts to enlarge the old mosque or build a new one. So, the local Muslims vented their frustrations by praying in the street. The protesters trying to drown out the prayers with the national anthem only numbered about 100. To put that in perspective, Wikipedia reports the population of Clichy-la-Garenne is 58,646.

More details:
nydailynews.com

Also, DIm Jim says there were 100 officials singing. Wrong. There were about 100 protesters, including a few government officials.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 10, 2017 • 11:42:07pm

Alabama State Auditor Who Defended Moore Spoke to Racist Group in 2015 (The Daily Beast)

That quote you saw defending Roy Moore by invoking Joseph and Mary? That was Jim Zeigler, and he’s quite a piece of work.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 10, 2017 • 11:50:10pm

re: #33 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Alabama State Auditor Who Defended Moore Spoke to Racist Group in 2015 (The Daily Beast)

Quelle surprise.

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Alyosha  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:07:42am

The eggs hatched!

Weird-ass dinosaurs :D

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:19:20am

Now I didn’t get the chance to see Moore’s interview on Hannity last night - I don’t get FNC here - but I understand from a US-based friend of mine that he pretty much torpedoed himself. Apparently, even Geraldo Rivera said something to the effect that Moore basically ended his career and if I’m understanding correctly, some of the Fox talking heads are suggesting that Alabama’s Governor find a way to postpone the election so someone else can be put on the ballot.

Is that a reasonably correct assessment?

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:26:52am

re: #36 Dr Lizardo

Now I didn’t get the chance to see Moore’s interview on Hannity last night - I don’t get FNC here - but I understand from a US-based friend of mine that he pretty much torpedoed himself. Apparently, even Geraldo Rivera said something to the effect that Moore basically ended his career and if I’m understanding correctly, some of the Fox talking heads are suggesting that Alabama’s Governor find a way to postpone the election so someone else can be put on the ballot.

Is that a reasonably correct assessment?

Moore did not deny the incidents happened. Rather, he said he never “dated” a teenager without their parents’ permission.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:41:06am

re: #36 Dr Lizardo

Now I didn’t get the chance to see Moore’s interview on Hannity last night - I don’t get FNC here - but I understand from a US-based friend of mine that he pretty much torpedoed himself. Apparently, even Geraldo Rivera said something to the effect that Moore basically ended his career and if I’m understanding correctly, some of the Fox talking heads are suggesting that Alabama’s Governor find a way to postpone the election so someone else can be put on the ballot.

Is that a reasonably correct assessment?

The chatter about “delaying the election” is wishful thinking: The election is already set, it can no longer be delayed.

Delaying an election would cause an eruption of lawsuits.

You go with the GOP paedophile you elected, not the GOP candidate you wish you’d elected. I imagine Senator Strange would have been a much-less controversial candidate.

Couldn’t happen to a better party.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:52:39am

re: #38 Anymouse 🌹

The chatter about “delaying the election” is wishful thinking: The election is already set, it can no longer be delayed.

Delaying an election would cause an eruption of lawsuits.

You go with the GOP paedophile you elected, not the GOP candidate you wish you’d elected. I imagine Senator Strange would have been a much-less controversial candidate.

Couldn’t happen to a better party.

Heh. Yeah…..hopefully, Moore will prove to be a useful albatross to hang around the GOP’s neck.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 1:40:56am

Well, I’m off to the rack. (Bed, not torture device.)

Thank you for venting my spleen tonight.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2017 • 2:50:43am

Yes. It does.

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teleskiguy  Nov 11, 2017 • 2:54:47am
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teleskiguy  Nov 11, 2017 • 3:00:54am
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Amory Blaine  Nov 11, 2017 • 3:09:48am

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

Also, remember this weirdo?

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This could be a whole reality show, “The real fucking crazy dudes of the GOP - WHERE ARE THEY NOW?”

Someone could direct him here. (NSFW)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 11, 2017 • 3:16:05am

re: #4 wheat-dogg

As far as I know, the USA is the only country that remembers its Civil War with any kind of fondness, or that still admires the losing side for its “noble cause.”

I have read that Russia is reassessing its historical attitude about the opposing sides in their own Civil War, even the Whites are being portrayed Patriotic Heroes.

But the Russian Civil War was not a war of secession, it was two sides fighting for control of the central government.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 3:18:52am

Leave it to the foreign media to provide a more detailed story than our domestic media have: the sad tale of Zhang Ying Ying.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2017 • 3:21:00am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 11, 2017 • 3:34:48am

Trump is in Hanoi. In a just world they would throw him in John McCain’s old cell and keep him a while.

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I cannot.  Nov 11, 2017 • 3:43:12am

I never knew that Josephine Baker was a spy for the French.

thedailybeast.com

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 3:47:10am

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Trump is in Hanoi. In a just world they would throw him in John McCain’s old cell and keep him a while.

President Trump visits Vietnam, causes international incident when he asks where he can find one of the prostitutes like he saw in Full Metal Jacket, before regaling locals with story about how he bravely spent time during the war in the States avoiding STDs.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 11, 2017 • 3:58:17am
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Dizzy  Nov 11, 2017 • 4:04:19am

Trump pulled out of the TPP. It proceeds without the U.S.

The 11 Trans-Pacific Partnership countries have reached an agreement on “core elements” of the trade pact, namely that all countries will adhere to strict labour and environment standards, a development Canada is championing as a major breakthrough after talks broke down earlier Friday.

This takes the U.S. out of a lucrative trade deal that, going forward, will most likely drive the worlds economic engine for years to come.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 4:11:25am

re: #52 Dizzy

Trump pulled out of the TPP. It proceeds without the U.S.

This takes the U.S. out of a lucrative trade deal that, going forward, will most likely drive the worlds economic engine for years to come.

That was the prediction a year ago, that the trade deal was too important to too many countries for it to just fall apart because of US nationalist sentiment. Meanwhile, Donny thinks he’s going to be able to wing individual trade deals with the TPP members that will be better for us. No, more likely whoever replaces him in 2020 will be stuck trying to negotiate our entry into the TPP, on much less favorable terms than we’d have received had we kept involved in the negotiations.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 11, 2017 • 4:14:16am

NASA TV Public-Education

An Orbital ATK Antares rocket will launch the ninth Cygnus cargo freighter on the eighth operational cargo delivery flight to the International Space Station. The mission is known as OA-8. The rocket will fly in the Antares 230 configuration, with two RD-181 first stage engines and a Castor 30XL second stage.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 4:22:49am

re: #54 Single-handed sailor

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I’m really anticipating the commercial manned spaceflights scheduled for next year. Once we achieve that milestone, the only limit is the technology available.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 11, 2017 • 4:22:57am
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Dizzy  Nov 11, 2017 • 4:24:37am

re: #53 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, Donny thinks he’s going to be able to wing individual trade deals with the TPP members that will be better for us. No, …

Agreed. Negotiating a trade deal is a monumental task that can be long and drawn out. Doing this for each nation is impractical and stupid (but stupid is a redundant term when talking about this administration). Trump wants to do this with each Pacific rim nation but he is too dim to realize the overall cost will be so much higher than taking part in the TPP.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 4:33:44am

re: #57 Dizzy

Agreed. Negotiating a trade deal is a monumental task that can be long and drawn out. Doing this for each nation is impractical and stupid (but stupid is a redundant term when talking about this administration). Trump wants to do this with each Pacific rim nation but he is too dim to realize the overall cost will be so much higher than taking part in the TPP.

And it’s made even harder to negotiate when you’re gutting the very government departments responsible for said negotiations. But Donny being the egotistical bastard he is, he probably thinks he’s going to be able to sit down with each individual leader and hash out a deal on the back of a napkin that he can renege on later.

I very much doubt that it’s a coincidence that the announcements about the TPP came out during Two Scoop’s ego tour of Asia. This is the sort of shit that wingnuts would have pointed and laughed at just two years ago: a US president being made to look powerless on the world stage.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 11, 2017 • 4:39:38am

An aircraft entered the safety zone so the launch was scrubbed. They only had a 5 minute window for the launch.

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Dizzy  Nov 11, 2017 • 4:40:21am

Good analysis from FiveThirtyEight:

Trump’s Trade Policies Keep Backfiring

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 4:42:37am

re: #59 Single-handed sailor

An aircraft entered the safety zone so the launch was scrubbed. They only had a 5 minute window for the launch.

OFFS, this is why God invented SAMs.

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Dizzy  Nov 11, 2017 • 4:43:35am

re: #58 Targetpractice

a US president being made to look powerless on the world stage

And by extension the United States. This is exactly the intention of the rim countries and something that the administration and its enablers are too myopic to see.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 11, 2017 • 4:45:26am

re: #61 Targetpractice

I know the fine for boats are $500 and up to 6 months. I wonder if aircraft are even worse. They really should be aware once they file a flight plan.

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weave  Nov 11, 2017 • 4:47:32am

re: #43 teleskiguy

Jesus, and the wingnuts gave Obama shit for a respectful bow.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 4:49:09am

re: #62 Dizzy

And by extension the United States. This is exactly the intention of the rim countries and something that the administration and its enablers are too myopic to see.

It’s just a further insult after the planned Putin meeting fell through because of “scheduling.” If Hillary were in office, Fox News would be howling about how the US has been humiliated by being sidelined by Asia in such a visible fashion. But they have Cheeto Benito in office, so they’re left talking about phantom “scandals” of the DNC and arguing that you’re not a sexual predator if there’s “love” involved between a young girl and 30 yr old ADA.

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Dizzy  Nov 11, 2017 • 4:54:37am

re: #65 Targetpractice

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jeffreyw  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:00:31am

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Good morning!

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:01:34am

re: #62 Dizzy

And by extension the United States. This is exactly the intention of the rim countries and something that the administration and its enablers are too myopic to see.

Abe, Moon and especially Xi made sure they inflated Trump’s ego like a big balloon, and made it very public. In China, I’m pretty the message was clear: Trump is a buffoon, easily impressed by glamour, and a nitwit — watch as our President Xi plays him like a fiddle. Xi laid out the red carpet for Obama, too, but it was not over the top, because Obama is not that kind of leader and would have smelled something was up.

IOW, Japan, South Korea and China are laughing at Trump, and by extension, us.

ADDENDUM: I’m absolutely sure China closed the Imperial Palace for Trump’s visit for a reason: to make him think he was some kind of foreign emperor on a state visit. It was an unprecedented move. Not even China’s own president would get such treatment, if he had the temerity to even suggest it.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:02:55am

re: #66 Dizzy

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:05:41am

re: #68 wheat-dogg

Abe, Moon and especially Xi made sure they inflated Trump’s ego like a big balloon, and made it very public. In China, I’m pretty the message was clear: Trump is a buffoon, easily impressed by glamour, and a nitwit — watch as our President Xi plays him like a fiddle. Xi laid out the red carpet for Obama, too, but it was not over the top, because Obama is not that kind of leader and would have smelled something was up.

IOW, Japan, South Korea and China are laughing at Trump, and by extension, us.

After the announcements involving TPP, I think the intent was clear to pump up his ego before the rug was pulled out from under him. He (of course) won’t see it that way, he’ll still think this trip was all about him and consider is a “success.” But the pretty obvious message being sent out is “Give this moron a few trinkets and you can rule the world while he’s gorging himself on hamburgers.”

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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:11:03am

Morning!

I see the sexual assault allegations are ongoing.

Just heard that George Takei is being accused now too.

And Anthony Edwards said he was molested by a producer that was his mentor.

I’m thinking this probably has a lot of people rummaging through their pasts and wondering what is going to come back to bite them.

This is how things change. Those that will be called out have to remember, it was wrong then too.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:13:03am

re: #70 Targetpractice

After the announcements involving TPP, I think the intent was clear to pump up his ego before the rug was pulled out from under him. He (of course) won’t see it that way, he’ll still think this trip was all about him and consider is a “success.” But the pretty obvious message being sent out is “Give this moron a few trinkets and you can rule the world while he’s gorging himself on hamburgers.”

Sadly true. Other world leaders are seasoned politicians, for the most part, with teams of experts in their ministries and cabinets. Trump is a political greenhorn with no backup team worth talking about. They’re taking full advantage of the situation.

The beginning of the end of the American Era in world geopolitics and economics.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:20:00am

re: #72 wheat-dogg

Sadly true. Other world leaders are seasoned politicians, for the most part, with teams of experts in their ministries and cabinets. Trump is a political greenhorn with no backup team worth talking about. They’re taking full advantage of the situation.

The beginning of the end of the American Era in world geopolitics and economics.

Trump’s running America just like the casinos he bankrupted.

Straight into the goddamn ground.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:20:45am

re: #72 wheat-dogg

Sadly true. Other world leaders are seasoned politicians, for the most part, with teams of experts in their ministries and cabinets. Trump is a political greenhorn with no backup team worth talking about. They’re taking full advantage of the situation.

The beginning of the end of the American Era in world geopolitics and economics.

That was what made the TPP such a big deal, a means to counter growing Chinese influence in the region. I’d be the last to accuse Obama of being a master of foreign policy, but even he saw the necessity of providing a counterweight for China’s growing dominance in the region. Now we’ve got Donny out there, thinking that he’s going to sit down with Abe, Moon, and Xi and work out deals that will be heavily in our favor. Even our most valued allies are basically saying “no dice” because they don’t figure on wasting time negotiating deals with a petulant child.

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lawhawk  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:34:41am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

Trump’s busy destroying the State Department by and through Tillerson and Trump’s own actions on the international stage. He’s beyond clueless and his actions are playing into the hands of our rivals - whether it’s China or Russia.

This doesn’t create a single US job or improve US national security. No, it does the opposite. It means that our rivals are able to fill the void left by the absolute failure of this administration to do its goddamned job and protect and defend the nation against threats and to further US interests around the world.

It’s ceding the international stage in such a startling display of ignorance that foreign service workers are appalled because everything they’ve worked for over the decades is being undone in a matter of months. US foreign policy and soft power (socio-economic, human rights, etc.) is being undone because a reactionary know nothing thinks that he knows better than the institutional knowledge of generations of foreign policy experts who have kept the peace (macro view).

These experts haven’t always gotten it right, and they have led us into wars (Iraq) but the world is more stable with fewer conflicts than in past decades. That includes the ongoing conflicts in Syria, Middle East, and Africa.

Ignoring the work of diplomats around the world to further US interests, smooth out minor disagreements, and push trade deals because there are working relationships between the various countries means that the US is quickly shrinking from its power and responsibilities, and doing the exact opposite of what Trump claimed he would do in “MAGA”.

MAGA my ass. He’s gone and gutted the State Department and put the nation at tremendous risk.

Oh, but he takes Putin’s word that Russia didn’t hack the US election, so it’s all okay.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:40:00am

sigh…

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:40:41am

It seems the GOP are working themselves around to a new strategy in the case of Roy Moore: Force him to resign from the race, then utilize the governor’s power to delay the special election long enough for Strange to vote “aye” on the “tax reform” bill. Then quietly run him or another candidate against Jones later.

Big problem: Moore is the kind of egotistical jackass who is so convinced of his own power, backed by a very vocal and equally stupid base of supporters, that he’ll tell the party leadership to fuck off. That means the election goes ahead and they have to hope like hell that no new revelations come out and Moore doesn’t find yet another way to step on his dick before next month.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:41:10am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:42:44am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:43:45am
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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:45:02am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The “phony” dossier that keeps getting corroborated more and more with each new revelation? That one, Donny? I’m sure the guys up on Capital Hill really wanna spend time discussing that in public hearings…

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:45:54am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s amazing, you can’t even see the strings as Vlad makes the puppet talk.

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lawhawk  Nov 11, 2017 • 5:52:23am
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lawhawk  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:04:20am

Aww…. how cute… Pence is getting ready for what it would be like on a chain gang:

Oh, only if justice moved faster…

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:04:30am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fuck you very much, Donald, and have a bad day.

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lawhawk  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:08:31am

re: #84 lawhawk

And fuck you Pence when you and Trump are deporting veterans who fought and served our nation:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:09:27am

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

Also, remember this weirdo?

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This could be a whole reality show, “The real fucking crazy dudes of the GOP - WHERE ARE THEY NOW?”

In elective offices…

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lawhawk  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:13:43am

re: #87 Joe Bacon 🌹

This numbnut John Merrill is the current Secretary of State for Alabama.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:16:47am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:20:54am

Anyone got some spare change buried down between the couch cushions?

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Belafon  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:21:51am

re: #88 lawhawk

Your definition of people is different from his.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:23:09am

re: #89 FormerDirtDart

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But if you ask her, she still thinks the Clintons are “criminals” because Bill “raped” all those women and Hillary “abetted” him by dismissing their allegations.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:24:12am

re: #62 Dizzy

And by extension the United States. This is exactly the intention of the rim countries and something that the administration and its enablers are too myopic to see.

But it’s precisely what Putin wants!

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:25:50am

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Thank you for that reminder.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:25:59am
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:28:34am

re: #85 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:31:44am

re: #95 FormerDirtDart

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The Alabama GOP will tear itself apart in civil war…. if Moore is dropped, I can almost guarantee he’ll run as write-in candidate or an indie.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:32:16am

re: #95 FormerDirtDart

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So you’re being attacked by your own base on the accusation that you’ve colluded with Democrats to attack Moore, and your best idea is to just announce the delay of the election until you can force him to resign from the race.

I can’t foresee this in any way blowing up in the GOP’s collective faces.////

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:33:26am

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

The Alabama GOP will tear itself apart in civil war…. if Moore is dropped, I can almost guarantee he’ll run as write-in candidate or an indie.

This will only piss off Cokehead Bannon more and make him double down on getting challengers for every sitting RepubliKKKlan.

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I cannot.  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:33:46am

re: #98 Targetpractice

I’m ready.

Need MOAR!
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:34:18am

re: #99 Joe Bacon 🌹

This will only piss off Cokehead Bannon more and make him double down on getting challengers for every sitting RepubliKKKlan.

And then an all-out GOP civil war kicks off.

Just in time for next year’s mid-terms.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:35:24am

re: #99 Joe Bacon

I can spare some fuel for that conflagration.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:35:29am

Good morning. Waking up to a new Trump horror/absurdity/obscenity.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:36:26am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:36:52am

re: #89 FormerDirtDart

The BS coming out of Remick’s mouth is the end result of 40 years of brainwashing from the RepubliKKKlan 24/7 Bullshit Machine!

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:38:17am

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

The Alabama GOP will tear itself apart in civil war…. if Moore is dropped, I can almost guarantee he’ll run as write-in candidate or an indie.

And if he does that, then it will be him and (I assume) Strange versus Doug Jones, which runs the risk of either his winning or splitting the vote sufficiently to seat Jones. If that happens, then anybody caught up in the whole scheme can kiss their careers goodbye.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:39:31am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:41:01am

re: #106 Targetpractice

And if he does that, then it will be him and (I assume) Strange versus Doug Jones, which runs the risk of either his winning or splitting the vote sufficiently to seat Jones. If that happens, then anybody caught up in the whole scheme can kiss their careers goodbye.

That’s a bingo!

That’s how you say that, right?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:42:05am
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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:42:11am

Worst case scenario for the Alabama GOP if they do pressure Ivey into delaying the special election: Moore decides to wait them out. Because if they delay it in an effort to force him out and he chooses to press forward, then they look like fools for the delay and only run the risk of further revelations coming out. Hell, all the national coverage of the delay will make up for the money lost now that the NRSC has pulled support.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:43:45am

re: #110 Targetpractice

Worst case scenario for the Alabama GOP if they do pressure Ivey into delaying the special election: Moore decides to wait them out. Because if they delay it in an effort to force him out and he chooses to press forward, then they look like fools for the delay and only run the risk of further revelations coming out. Hell, all the national coverage of the delay will make up for the money lost now that the NRSC has pulled support.

A loss for the Alabama GOP is a win for America.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:44:10am

re: #109 FormerDirtDart

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The party of “family values” is prepared to support pedophilia to retain power. That’s how fucked we are as a nation.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:45:48am

George Takei responds to the recent allegations against him.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:45:55am

Treachery Most Foul

Trump says he believes Putin’s election meddling denials

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:50:45am
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BigPapa  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:51:20am

re: #15 Kragar

Todd Kincannon?

That’s Todd Douchecannon.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:55:06am

To be fair, Donny may not be a Putin puppet but instead a useful idiot whose habitual watching of Faux has him completely convinced that there’s nothing to the whole Russia business because Lumpy and Bill’O insisted that it was all a “hoax” concocted by Fusion GPS.

Considering the reports that the man can’t seem to follow a briefing without colorful pictures and must have it all condensed down to a few minutes or he loses interest, it’s entirely plausible that we have a man whose descent into Alzheimer’s makes it easier for him to follow the graphics on the TV than the dense IC reports showing just how badly Russia fucked with our elections.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:58:13am

I’ve always wondered to myself, is it possible to get high on candy? And if so, what’s it like?

I think I just found the answer.

きゃりーぱみゅぱみゅ - PONPONPON , Kyary Pamyu Pamyu - PONPONPON

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:58:18am

Stupid question here but is Trump that stupid? Like man. The way he just takes Putin at his word. Of course, Putin’s going to deny he meddled in the election. Either Trump’s incredibly stupid or he thinks we all are.

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lawhawk  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:59:18am

Why would Putin bring up the subject, and why would Trump question events that contributed to him winning? Trump would rather trust Putin than the US intel community.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 6:59:34am

re: #109 FormerDirtDart

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Just say you hate Democrats that much, Horowitz that you’d vote for anyone over them because you’re a freak.

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BigPapa  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:00:08am

Before and after the 2016 election I was fond of saying that we were living an Idiocracy re-write by Tom Clancy. I now think it’s more like Idiocracy-Steven King.

The POTUS just said investigations into Russian influence was a hit job by his political opponents, 3 previous heads of INTEL agencies were political hacks, that Putin denies Russian involvement and Trump believes him.

This is days after allegations a major media merger is said to receiving pressure to dump a network on Trump’s shit list (CNN). And now reports Murdoch is interested in buying CNN.

Happy Caturday!

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:00:23am

re: #117 Targetpractice

You are too kind. That’s beyond being fair. it’s unfair to us as a country. There are so many sources available to him in any format he wants… If he’s that far gone, far more gone than anyone rationally thought of Reagan in his second term, gotta go. 25th A.

It’s willfully going against our interests as a nation. Not accidental, incidental or unimportant.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:01:00am

re: #113 Dr Lizardo

George Takei responds to the recent allegations against him.

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I like George but I’m sorry but these can’t be ignored. I hope they’re not true because I genuinely like George Takei but I liked Louis C.K and Kevin Spacey too.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:03:42am

re: #113 Dr Lizardo

there’s a diary up at DKos that pokes a lot of holes in this case. If it’s true then by all means Takei should answer for it but it sounds really convenient to come out now.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:04:11am

By the way, a lot of our intelligence people are veterans including Clapper. So, on Veterans Day, Trump is showing more deferrence to Putin than men like Jim Clapper who have spent their lives serving their country. Man, I want Trump to go down so much. I want it to be so that the whole family is disgraced. I would feel bad for Barron honestly but there’s a lot of people who have been faring worse than Barron and didn’t have a father like Donald.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:05:27am

re: #117 Targetpractice

To be fair, Donny may not be a Putin puppet but instead a useful idiot whose habitual watching of Faux has him completely convinced that there’s nothing to the whole Russia business because Lumpy and Bill’O insisted that it was all a “hoax” concocted by Fusion GPS.

Considering the reports that the man can’t seem to follow a briefing without colorful pictures and must have it all condensed down to a few minutes or he loses interest, it’s entirely plausible that we have a man whose descent into Alzheimer’s makes it easier for him to follow the graphics on the TV than the dense IC reports showing just how badly Russia fucked with our elections.

My mother had Alzheimer’s; once she latched onto a belief, it was impossible to use reason to dissuade her. The only time she actually changed her mind was when she witnessed something with her own eyes.

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JordanRules  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:07:27am

re: #123 Unshaken Defiance

Yep.
Who has he ever showed consistent deference to? That type of loyalty is not in his character. Something that is very bad for America is forcing this dynamic and it’s dangerous in addition to embarrassing.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:08:56am

re: #118 Dr Lizardo

I’ve always wondered to myself, is it possible to get high on candy? And if so, what’s it like?

I think I just found the answer.

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Video

Kyary Pamyu Pamyu is associated peripherally with the Tempura Kidz group I shared the other day. She’s also known for popularizing the quirky fashion styles of Harajuku district of Tokyo. Her everyday clothes are not far removed from the costume in that video.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:09:49am

re: #128 JordanRules

Yep.
Who has he ever showed consistent deference to? That type of loyalty is not in his character. Something that is very bad for America is forcing this dynamic and it’s dangerous in addition to embarrassing.

I’ve thought it was telling that Trump will bash anyone including his own party leaders more willingly than he will Putin. In fact, I’d think you’d be hard-pressed to find an actual criticism of Putin by Trump. And I think that’s the most troubling thing of all. Trump will bash our military, our people, but he will slavishly talk about Putin as if he’s this great person.

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BigPapa  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:09:53am

re: #125 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

there’s a diary up at DKos that pokes a lot of holes in this case. If it’s true then by all means Takei should answer for it but it sounds really convenient to come out now.

The alleged victim has supposedly stated he told a lot of people about it right after it happened. That’s going to be critical.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:10:54am

re: #127 Hecuba’s daughter

My mother had Alzheimer’s; once she latched onto a belief, it was impossible to use reason to dissuade her. The only time she actually changed her mind was when she witnessed something with her own eyes.

Maybe when the feds come to arrest his associates, if not Donald himself, he’ll change his mind about all those Russian collusion rumors.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:11:06am

re: #95 FormerDirtDart

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Not a likely course of action. Gov Ivey was asked about it, and said she is not aware of any such power.

Governor Kay Ivey on Roy Moore allegations of improper sexual contact

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:11:17am

re: #131 BigPapa

The alleged victim has supposedly stated he told a lot of people about it right after it happened. That’s going to be critical.

What makes that tough is the incident happened 36 years ago. Faulty memories and all that. Though something like that obviously would stand out. I do hope we find the truth whatever it is.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:12:02am

re: #129 wheat-dogg

Her everyday clothes are not far removed from the costume in that video.

O_O

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William Lewis  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:13:02am

re: #124 HappyWarrior

I like George but I’m sorry but these can’t be ignored. I hope they’re not true because I genuinely like George Takei but I liked Louis C.K and Kevin Spacey too.

It will be important to see if there are any other accusations. I also remember the false accusation against Cardinal Bernardino of Chicago at the end of his life. This feels more like that, to me, at this point.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:13:16am

You know what really sucks is Doug Jones is an awesome guy and candidate. In a more purple state, he’d be a shoe in even without this. This is a man who grew up in Jim Crow Alabama and was inspired to work for the justice of all Alabamans. To DD and the other Bama lizards, I think I speak for many of us here in saying I wish I could vote for Doug Jones. Not just because I want Moore to lose but I really think Jones would be a great Senator and he’s an admirable person as well.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:13:19am
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:14:02am

re: #131 BigPapa

The alleged victim has supposedly stated he told a lot of people about it right after it happened. That’s going to be critical.

Agreed. Those people need to come forward then. But the way he describes telling them is also fishy he claims he discussed it like how friends discuss bizarre instances in their lives. Like I said, if more come forward and if the people he told come forward then, yes, Takei needs to answer for it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:14:05am

re: #136 William Lewis

It will be important to see if there are any other accusations. I also remember the false accusation against Cardinal Bernardino of Chicago at the end of his life. This feels more like that, to me, at this point.

That’s certainly fair too. And you’re right. Other allegations are key here since a lot of these guys seem to be repeat offenders. When Rapp came out about Spacey so did many others.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:14:39am

re: #138 jaunte

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She’s had multiple divorces and bankruptcies, qualities that only matter if you’re talking about someone other than Dear Leader.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:15:25am
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:15:27am

re: #118 Dr Lizardo

Never have I seen such a cheerful bright saturated nightmare video. Were those blackface rotund dancers in the background?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:16:42am

re: #138 jaunte

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And people wonder why victims don’t come forward because there are people happy to drag your name through the mud for everything you’ve done in your life that was a mistake. The bankruptcies aren’t relevant and you know what, the story about the pastors may be true too. Oh and I see Dumbo Jr who claims not to be engaged in politics is in fact. As I said, I hope he goes down in disgrace too. I can’t stand him either.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:17:24am

re: #141 Targetpractice

She’s had multiple divorces and bankruptcies, qualities that only matter if you’re talking about someone other than Dear Leader.

It’s literally making my stomach hurt just thinking about it right now.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:17:41am

re: #138 jaunte

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Interesting. How many divorces has tRump had? How many bankruptcies? How many times times has he been found against in a court of law? So many questions.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:17:49am

“Why didn’t she come forward at the time?!” ask the people who are eagerly trashing a woman they’ve never met for actions they have no problem with when it’s one of their own. The same people who will then say aloud that the “real victims” don’t come forward when trying to justify their belief that the only women “cry rape” all the time.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:18:36am

re: #138 jaunte

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Who could have guessed that a 14 yr old sexually assaulted by a court official twice her age might be fucked up? That’s one of the reasons civilized societies discourage that sort of thing.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:19:02am

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I don’t find the thought that pastors may have made passes at a young woman surprising in the least. “Youth pastor” is one of those jobs that attracts predators.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:19:03am

re: #146 Eventual Carrion

Interesting. How many divorces has tRump had? How many bankruptcies? How many times times has he been found against in a court of law? So many questions.

Not just Trump but how about Moore himself being removed from the bench. This is really sick stuff and I do hope it causes a backlash against Moore.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:19:58am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:20:01am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:20:26am

re: #149 jaunte

I don’t find the thought that pastors may have made passes at a young woman surprising in the least. “Youth pastor” is one of those jobs that attracts predators.

I don’t either. Man this poor lady. I am not going to be surprised if we hear she’s received death threats since that jerk Jackoff doxxed her and the others.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:20:43am

re: #142 wheat-dogg

For example,

Image: 6d1e0c559d89bbecb820b79a2d78b26d.jpg

Image: fc5b5ad26d3ed7a5c44384c5de824e59.jpg

And here’s an article from 2012 about her being recognized as Harajuku fashion ambassador.

tokyofashion.com

“Alice” dresses are popular in Japan and increasingly in China, too. (Alice as in Wonderland Alice) I saw a student wearing one to class here at the uni last week.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:21:03am

re: #152 FormerDirtDart

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Yeah but General Hayden, Putin said! //

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:23:34am

re: #155 HappyWarrior

Yeah but General Hayden, Putin said! //

Did he?

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:24:38am

Laughing as they dismantle the country.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:25:01am

re: #156 FormerDirtDart

Did he?

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Yeah I don’t believe the way Trump tells it either. I do love the idea of Putin telling Trump that he didn’t do it and Trump being so relieved because he-Putin would never steer him wrong.

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JordanRules  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:25:01am

re: #133 Decatur Deb

Didn’t Bentley have the seat set to be replaced in the midterms next year after appointing Strange to hold it until then? Then when Bentley resigned Ivey set a special election?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:25:20am

re: #157 jaunte

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Laughing as they dismantle the country.

Swamping the drain one step at a time.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:25:41am

re: #118 Dr Lizardo

I’ve always wondered to myself, is it possible to get high on candy? And if so, what’s it like?

I think I just found the answer.

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Video

Whoa, I thought drugs were illegal in Japan.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:26:07am

re: #138 jaunte

Purportedly Moore’s main accuser Leigh Corfman has had three divorces, filed for bankruptcy three times, and has been charged with multiple misdemeanors.

…sounds like someone the GOP should elect as President!!!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:27:05am

re: #159 JordanRules

Didn’t Bentley have the seat set to be replaced in the midterms next year after appointing Strange to hold it until then? Then when Bentley resigned Ivey set a special election?

Yup, but the election has already started—military and absentee ballots have been cast.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:27:17am

re: #162 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…sounds like someone the GOP should elect as President!!!

It would be an upgrade of sorts.

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JordanRules  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:28:13am

re: #163 Decatur Deb

Gotcha! That makes total sense.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:30:16am

If a Klein bottle had a twitter account…

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:30:29am

re: #113 Dr Lizardo

Obviously, “someone says it so it must be true” is idiocy, considering the nature of the human testimony. First of all we should ask for corroboration.

E.g. if there are two statements rather than one, they corroborate each other - 2 statements is something qualitatively, not simply quantitatively, different from 1 statement. It’s not a guarantee (e.g. in the Mattress Girl case there were several statements that did not cumulatively add up to a credible case), but it’s something to work with. Further corroboration could come through checking the places and the dates (who was where at what moment), when the information first appeared (i.e. whether the accuser told anyone at the time), etc.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:30:58am

re: #165 JordanRules

Gotcha! That makes total sense.

Not to say it’s unlikely that one of our Alabama officials would refrain from doing something illegal, stupid, and self-destructive.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:31:05am

re: #161 Barefoot Grin

Whoa, I thought drugs were illegal in Japan.

They’ve replaced drugs with かわい (cute).

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:32:16am

I’m currently preparing a post on the Danzig human soap (along with the “human lampshades” and other fun stuff like that) and that’s a veritable mess of rumors, wild allegations, he-said-she-saids etc.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:32:17am

re: #158 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t believe the way Trump tells it either. I do love the idea of Putin telling Trump that he didn’t do it and Trump being so relieved because he-Putin would never steer him wrong.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:32:22am

re: #167 Nyet

Obviously, “someone says it so it must be true” is idiocy, considering the nature of the human testimony. First of all we should ask for corroboration.

E.g. if there are two statements rather than one, they corroborate each other - 2 statements is something qualitatively, not simply quantitatively, different from 1 statement. It’s not a guarantee (e.g. in the Mattress Girl case there were several statements that did not cumulatively add up to a credible case), but it’s something to work with. Further corroboration could come through checking the places and the dates (who was where at what moment), when the information first appeared (i.e. whether the accuser told anyone at the time), etc.

Of course….corroboration is extremely important.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:32:48am

re: #158 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t believe the way Trump tells it either. I do love the idea of Putin telling Trump that he didn’t do it and Trump being so relieved because he-Putin would never steer him wrong.

Trump is feeding the media (and his followers) lies. I guess he figures someone will buy his story, or in his mind, he only imagined the entire conversation with Putin.

I’m inclined to believe Peskov over Trump.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:34:44am

And of course statements made decades after the alleged events should be checked with an eye doubly so critical/skeptical, because there’s this pesky issue of false memories.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:35:01am

re: #169 Dr Lizardo

They’ve replaced drugs with かわい (cute).

Kawaii is a big thing in Japan. Hello Kitty stuff is only the tip of the iceberg.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:36:11am

re: #132 wheat-dogg

Maybe when the feds come to arrest his associates, if not Donald himself, he’ll change his mind about all those Russian collusion rumors.

Trump will never change his mind. Never.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:37:01am

re: #176 I Would Prefer Not To

Trump will never change his mind. Never.

“Vlad says I didn’t collude with him and I believe him. It’s all fake news!”

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:37:30am

re: #169 Dr Lizardo

They’ve replaced drugs with かわい (cute).

When I lived there in in the early 2000s through a loophole you could buy mushrooms at little hipster shops in Shimokitazawa (Tokyo neighborhood). They closed the loophole while I was still there, but life was trippy enough without enhancement.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:37:38am

re: #175 wheat-dogg

Kawaii is a big thing in Japan. Hello Kitty stuff is only the tip of the iceberg.

It’s the cult of kawaii. To me, it’s sort of weird…..I admit, I really don’t understand it.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:39:07am

re: #178 Barefoot Grin

When I lived there in in the early 2000s through a loophole you could buy mushrooms at little hipster shops in Shimokitazawa (Tokyo neighborhood). They closed the loophole while I was still there, but life was trippy enough without enhancement.

Who needs shrooms when you can see this?

Pikachu - Imperial March

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:39:31am
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:40:37am

re: #167 Nyet

Years Decades ago here in California we had an episode of child molestation /satanic ritual stories. The most famous false allegation was the 1987 McMartin preschool case. 3 year trial, salacious weird explicit accusations, “Secret tunnels” that were never found. Coercive even scripted video interviews with the alleged victims.

When there is a popular swell of sentiment like we had back then, be wary. A balance must be had that allows accusers room to step up and the accused still have a fair process. Few better examples of who we like vs who we dislike impacting how we view accusations exist.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:41:13am

re: #180 Dr Lizardo

Who needs shrooms when you can see this?

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There’s also this side of things:

【Vocaloid Choir】 細菌汚染 ¤ Bacterial Contamination 【VOCALOID3カバー】

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:41:44am

This one’s even better, LOL.

Pikachu The Imperial March 2

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:42:57am

re: #182 Unshaken Defiance

Exactly. I’ve see Juanita Broaddrick being accused here as a liar, her testimony allegedly refuted (without any details as to who allegedly did that), even though important parts were corroborated and she told about it a small circle quite early on.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:42:59am

If court officials preyed on vulnerable females, there would be folk songs or something about it.

Judy Collins — Anathea

“…Cursed be that judge, so cruel
Thirteen years may he lie bleeding
Thirteen doctors cannot cure him
Thirteen shelves of drugs can’t heal him”

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:46:09am

re: #179 Dr Lizardo

It’s the cult of kawaii. To me, it’s sort of weird…..I admit, I really don’t understand it.

There’s a lot about pop culture in Tokyo and Japan in general I don’t get, but still find endlessly fascinating. It’s Japan’s “soft power,” because cosplay is now an international thing, and the kawaii fashion sense is slowly spreading outside Tokyo. A few of my Chinese students are into it, but don’t generally wear it in public. That’s why the student in an Alice dress last week was so remarkable.

I’ve gotten curious about manga and hentai, but visiting a manga shop in Tokyo was like trying to get a drink from a firehose. Absolutely bewildering. I had no idea where to begin, and ended up buying nothing.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:47:05am

re: #183 Barefoot Grin

There’s also this side of things:

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Video

Yeah…..Vocaloid is trippy. Like Hatsune Miku.

【Hatsune Miku】 World is Mine / ryo(supercell)【初音ミク】

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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:48:30am

re: #98 Targetpractice

So you’re being attacked by your own base on the accusation that you’ve colluded with Democrats to attack Moore, and your best idea is to just announce the delay of the election until you can force him to resign from the race.

I can’t foresee this in any way blowing up in the GOP’s collective faces.////

I’m all in on everything blowing up in the GOP’s faces. This is the natural outcome of corruption and lack of control with your idealists.

It is very much needed too. If we are to continue as a two dominant party system the GOP needs to shake itself back to reality and clean out the crazy. If not, we may start to see many parties and that will be it’s own mess I don’t think we want to deal with.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:48:47am

re: #183 Barefoot Grin

There’s also this side of things:

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I think what amuses me is that we had a wave in the previous decade of remakes or straight ports of Japanese horror films that totally changed the genre for awhile. Some of the most iconic horror games of the past 20 years were created by companies and artists from Japan. But yet it’s the diabetes-cute “moe” culture that surprises people the most.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:50:12am

re: #187 wheat-dogg

There’s a lot about pop culture in Tokyo and Japan in general I don’t get, but still find endlessly fascinating. It’s Japan’s “soft power,” because cosplay is now an international thing, and the kawaii fashion sense is slowly spreading outside Tokyo. A few of my Chinese students are into it, but don’t generally wear it in public. That’s why the student in an Alice dress last week was so remarkable.

I’ve gotten curious about manga and hentai, but visiting a manga shop in Tokyo was like trying to get a drink from a firehose. Absolutely bewildering. I had no idea where to begin, and ended up buying nothing.

If you have a year or so you could hang out in a manga kissaten (cafe) and read as much as you want for the price of a cup of coffee. Not my thing, but my kids are into soccer, so they read “Captain Tsubasa” and “Whistle” (soccer manga) and “Dragonball Zed”; I have a few history manga.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:52:18am

re: #190 Targetpractice

I think what amuses me is that we had a wave in the previous decade of remakes or straight ports of Japanese horror films that totally changed the genre for awhile. Some of the most iconic horror games of the past 20 years were created by companies and artists from Japan. But yet it’s the diabetes-cute “moe” culture that surprises people the most.

Tiny country, amazing creativity. If China weren’t so stodgy and repressed by its government, it could probably be even more creative, just by having a giant population. But the government quashes any sort of artistic creativity. Being edgy in China is a ticket to detention and disgrace.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:52:40am

re: #187 wheat-dogg

There’s a lot about pop culture in Tokyo and Japan in general I don’t get, but still find endlessly fascinating. It’s Japan’s “soft power,” because cosplay is now an international thing, and the kawaii fashion sense is slowly spreading outside Tokyo. A few of my Chinese students are into it, but don’t generally wear it in public. That’s why the student in an Alice dress last week was so remarkable.

I’ve gotten curious about manga and hentai, but visiting a manga shop in Tokyo was like trying to get a drink from a firehose. Absolutely bewildering. I had no idea where to begin, and ended up buying nothing.

That soft power has been around for quite a while. I grew watching “Star Blazers” (Space Battleship Yamato) as a kid in the mid-’70s. Also, “Ultraman” “Speed Racer” (of course) and Godzilla films. It’s been around in the West for at least 40 years…..it just didn’t get really big until the last decade or so.

Even four decades later, the opening notes of this send a chill down my space…..high adventure ahead!

Space Battleship Yamato - Isao Sasaki (with Japanese, Romaji and English subtitle)

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:54:19am
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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:56:11am

re: #194 FormerDirtDart

Mofo is insane, but we knew that for years.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 7:59:07am

re: #194 FormerDirtDart

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Creep.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:01:20am

re: #193 Dr Lizardo

That soft power has been around for quite a while. I grew watching “Star Blazers” (Space Battleship Yamato) as a kid in the mid-’70s. Also, “Ultraman” “Speed Racer” (of course) and Godzilla films. It’s been around in the West for at least 40 years…..it just didn’t get really big until the last decade or so.

Even four decades later, the opening notes of this send a chill down my space…..high adventure ahead!

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Well, the rise of the anime culture in the West really had to do with Japanese anime companies deciding to follow the example of other countries in their land and either export the stuff directly to US consumers or create branches offices in the US for local distribution. Before that, anime was generally limited to what American companies could afford to license, because they’d have to spend extra money dubbing in English voice tracks. And US TV networks for longest time required syndication runs over 80+ episodes for a series, when most animes didn’t last a quarter of that due to the cost of producing them.

Hell, growing up, I can remember when manga were virtually unknown outside of comic book stories because major chains wouldn’t stock them. And what you’d find would be “Americanized” (i.e. read left to the right) and still limited to what was popular among US fans. Next to pirated music, subbed anime episodes were probably one of the biggest drivers of file-sharing in the 00’s.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:02:27am

re: #191 Barefoot Grin

If you have a year or so you could hang out in a manga kissaten (cafe) and read as much as you want for the price of a cup of coffee. Not my thing, but my kids are into soccer, so they read “Captain Tsubasa” and “Whistle” (soccer manga) and “Dragonball Zed”; I have a few history manga.

I found something similar in Hong Kong, Comix Homebase. They have a huge collection of comics from all over the world, mostly in bound compilations, and they’re free to read but not to check out. HK also has a vibrant comics culture, which is not as widely known worldwide as Japan’s. They have their own local comic book heroes and heroines.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:08:49am

re: #193 Dr Lizardo

That soft power has been around for quite a while. I grew watching “Star Blazers” (Space Battleship Yamato) as a kid in the mid-’70s. Also, “Ultraman” “Speed Racer” (of course) and Godzilla films. It’s been around in the West for at least 40 years…..it just didn’t get really big until the last decade or so.

Even four decades later, the opening notes of this send a chill down my space…..high adventure ahead!

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Video

After I saw the statues of Tetsuro and Maetel in Tokyo, I bought Galaxy Express 999 and watched it for the first time this spring. It was very moving in ways that surprised me, especially the yearning of Tetsuro for his mom and how Maetel became a surrogate for her. The artistry is simply amazing.

Maetel, from Galaxy Expresss 999
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MsJ  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:09:09am

re: #138 jaunte

Molestation screws up many people for life. This makes what Moore admitted to doing even worse.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:10:05am

re: #197 Targetpractice

Well, the rise of the anime culture in the West really had to do with Japanese anime companies deciding to follow the example of other countries in their land and either export the stuff directly to US consumers or create branches offices in the US for local distribution. Before that, anime was generally limited to what American companies could afford to license, because they’d have to spend extra money dubbing in English voice tracks. And US TV networks for longest time required syndication runs over 80+ episodes for a series, when most animes didn’t last a quarter of that due to the cost of producing them.

Hell, growing up, I can remember when manga were virtually unknown outside of comic book stories because major chains wouldn’t stock them. And what you’d find would be “Americanized” (i.e. read left to the right) and still limited to what was popular among US fans. Next to pirated music, subbed anime episodes were probably one of the biggest drivers of file-sharing in the 00’s.

Anime was pretty limited in the USA, as you noted, until the arrival of Akira; that particular film was a game-changer. It still took another 15 years or so before anime was embraced as a part of American pop culture.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:14:07am

re: #193 Dr Lizardo

Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention I grew up watching Astro Boy (Tetsuwan Atomu), Speed Racer (Mahha GōGōGō) and Gigantor (Tetsujin 28-go), so I was exposed to anime as a kid without even realizing it at the time. Then my kids became fans of Pokemon and Dragonball.

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Belafon  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:14:10am

re: #144 HappyWarrior

And people wonder why victims don’t come forward because there are people happy to drag your name through the mud for everything you’ve done in your life that was a mistake. The bankruptcies aren’t relevant and you know what, the story about the pastors may be true too. Oh and I see Dumbo Jr who claims not to be engaged in politics is in fact. As I said, I hope he goes down in disgrace too. I can’t stand him either.

More importantly, the bankruptcies could be a consequence of her trauma from Moore’s actions.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:16:28am

re: #201 Dr Lizardo

Anime was pretty limited in the USA, as you noted, until the arrival of Akira; that particular film was a game-changer. It still took another 15 years or so before anime was embraced as a part of American pop culture.

True, Akira was one of those major moments in the anime culture in the US as it was an anime film released in theaters that wasn’t a kids film, showing that you could find a mature crowd willing to watch something that US distributors saw as a “cartoon.” What’s hilarious is that both Lucas and Spielberg passed on distributing it in the US because it was “unmarketable.”

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:17:43am

re: #201 Dr Lizardo

Anime was pretty limited in the USA, as you noted, until the arrival of Akira; that particular film was a game-changer. It still took another 15 years or so before anime was embraced as a part of American pop culture.

I’m still trying to catch up on Hayao Miyazaki’s films, decades after they were made. How they escaped my attention defies explanation. Spirited Away — wow!

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:18:59am

re: #203 Belafon

More importantly, the bankruptcies could be a consequence of her trauma from Moore’s actions.

Victims of rape and molestation deal with the psychological scars for years, in some cases making it impossible for them to have a significant relationship with the opposite sex, but according to wingnuts being screwed up by such trauma just means you’re a “liar.”

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:19:38am

re: #198 wheat-dogg

I found something similar in Hong Kong, Comix Homebase. They have a huge collection of comics from all over the world, mostly in bound compilations, and they’re free to read but not to check out. HK also has a vibrant comics culture, which is not as widely known worldwide as Japan’s. They have their own local comic book heroes and heroines.

Cool. I went to a lecture on East Asian film a couple of years ago in which it was explained how the Hong Kong film makers like the Shaw brothers and Taiwanese film makers often were in cooperative relationships with Japanese studios. There was (and still is, of course) a lot of cross sharing of pop stars, too. Not sure how the reversion to PRC control has affected things like film in Hong Kong. If the fate of the bookstore owners is any indication, it must have been a bit chilling.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:19:48am

re: #205 wheat-dogg

I’m still trying to catch up on Hayao Miyazaki’s films, decades after they were made. How they escaped my attention defies explanation. Spirited Away — wow!

Spirited Away is a masterpiece, no doubt about it. Easily one of the greatest animated films ever made.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:20:27am

re: #205 wheat-dogg

I’m still trying to catch up on Hayao Miyazaki’s films, decades after they were made. How they escaped my attention defies explanation. Spirited Away — wow!

I’ll probably get to go next summer. The Studio Ghibli museum is on my itinerary.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:21:22am

re: #204 Targetpractice

True, Akira was one of those major moments in the anime culture in the US as it was an anime film released in theaters that wasn’t a kids film, showing that you could find a mature crowd willing to watch something that US distributors saw as a “cartoon.” What’s hilarious is that both Lucas and Spielberg passed on distributing it in the US because it was “unmarketable.”

I saw Ghost In The Shell when that premiered in the US a few years after Akira…..another watershed moment in the history of anime in the US.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:22:03am

A little 3 Lizard Lair news. We got a new Roku 4k. What’s interesting is how some programming has a far better picture than “cable”. Less compressed looks like. My TV is 1080, 4k for entertainment is still a future purchase here. Editing monitors came first. Signing up for Curiosity Stream, CBS All Access, already have Netflix.

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Belafon  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:22:27am

re: #205 wheat-dogg

I’m still trying to catch up on Hayao Miyazaki’s films, decades after they were made. How they escaped my attention defies explanation. Spirited Away — wow!

Howl’s Moving Castle is my favorite.

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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:22:47am

re: #129 wheat-dogg

Kyary Pamyu Pamyu is associated peripherally with the Tempura Kidz group I shared the other day. She’s also known for popularizing the quirky fashion styles of Harajuku district of Tokyo. Her everyday clothes are not far removed from the costume in that video.

In light of the sexual harassment issues in this country it is sort of weird to see this video and the “fashion” as you say.

I don’t know, maybe it’s just me, but the fashion appears to be a fully grown woman dressing and acting like a pubescent pre-teen or early teen. And that is kinda weird in that it makes it seem that there is an emphasis on that age bracket for women.

In other words, the fashion is right up Roy Moore’s back alley.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:23:19am

re: #209 Barefoot Grin

I’ll probably get to go next summer. The Studio Ghibli museum is on my itinerary.

I wanted to visit it, but you need to book tickets well in advance. You can’t just walk in and buy tickets the day of. Also, it’s a bit far from Tokyo proper, so plan accordingly.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:24:27am

re: #213 ObserverArt

a fully grown woman dressing and acting like a pubescent pre-teen or early teen

That’s the cult of kawaii I was talking about. Yeah, I find it sorta weird myself.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:25:28am

re: #211 Unshaken Defiance

A little 3 Lizard Lair news. We got a new Roku 4k. What’s interesting is how some programming has a far better picture than “cable”. Less compressed looks like. My TV is 1080, 4k for entertainment is still a future purchase here. Editing monitors came first. Signing up for Curiosity Stream, CBS All Access, already have Netflix.

I’ve got a Curiosity Stream subscription, and I will go on a binge watching sometimes. But I sometimes go weeks at a time without going to it.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:25:40am

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

The doll like appearance is off putting to me. Deliberate artificiality surely does not mean the same thing to me as the intended audience. (?)

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:27:53am

re: #214 wheat-dogg

I wanted to visit it, but you need to book tickets well in advance. You can’t just walk in and buy tickets the day of. Also, it’s a bit far from Tokyo proper, so plan accordingly.

Oh, good to know. Taking a group of students, so we’ll order in advance. I think it’s near International Christian University—I’m trying to arrange a visit there, too.

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Targetpractice  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:30:09am

My coworker and I were discussing Miyazaki’s recent comments on the state of anime (paraphrased “the problem with anime today is its made by anime fans”) and that moved over to how he keeps declaring his “retirement” and then coming back to make “one more movie.” At this point, we’re both convinced he’ll end up dying in the middle of production on what he pledges to be his “last film” and his son (who’s followed in his footsteps) will take up the challenge of seeing his father’s last film brought to theaters.

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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:30:25am

re: #134 HappyWarrior

What makes that tough is the incident happened 36 years ago. Faulty memories and all that. Though something like that obviously would stand out. I do hope we find the truth whatever it is.

No different than Moore’s alleged misdeeds as far as time. So, if we are going to go after Moore about being a creep we have to use the same judgments and standards for others.

In other words, this is all going to get real messy due to all the time and all the cover that has gone on since. It’s going to allow some excuses that are not going to be fair to the victims and it is going to cause anger and hurt to come out all over again.

I feel for all these people and what they are going to be subjected to in these allegations. The fact they are willing to go through this to me means there are truths.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:30:27am

re: #217 Unshaken Defiance

The doll like appearance is off putting to me. Deliberate artificiality surely does not mean the same thing to me as the intended audience. (?)

Yeah, same here.

On the other hand, we can clearly see, in a more positive sense, some of the influences anime is now having in American pop culture. For example, the video for “Stronger” by Kanye West, which has some obvious Akira references.

Kanye West - Stronger

Japan’s pop culture, or at least elements of it, has truly gone global and is influencing other artists, in this case, an American artist.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:31:31am

re: #210 Dr Lizardo

I saw Ghost In The Shell when that premiered in the US a few years after Akira…..another watershed moment in the history of anime in the US.

I watched that before going to see the Scarlett Johansson version. The anime version was much more nuanced that the more action-oriented live action flick, though there was some exploration of what it means to be human in both.

re: #212 Belafon

Howl’s Moving Castle is my favorite.

It’s on my list.

Incidentally, if you all have not seen Your Name, you must see it. At first, you think it’s just some kind of body swapping fantasy, but then the plot takes an unexpected turn. Pacing and artwork are both excellent.

Rumors are flying that J.J. Abrams plans a live-action version. Gah! [Warning: Link contains some spoilers.] deadline.com

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:33:30am

re: #222 wheat-dogg

Rumors are flying that J.J. Abrams plans a live-action version.

No.

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Belafon  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:35:49am

re: #213 ObserverArt

In light of the sexual harassment issues in this country it is sort of weird to see this video and the “fashion” as you say.

I don’t know, maybe it’s just me, but the fashion appears to be a fully grown woman dressing and acting like a pubescent pre-teen or early teen. And that is kinda weird in that it makes it seem that there is an emphasis on that age bracket for women.

In other words, the fashion is right up Roy Moore’s back alley.

Yeah, let’s blame the people wearing the clothes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:36:06am

re: #220 ObserverArt

No different than Moore’s alleged misdeeds as far as time. So, if we are going to go after Moore about being a creep we have to use the same judgments and standards for others.

In other words. this is all going to get real messy due to all the time and all the cover that has gone on since. It’s going to allow some excuses that are not going to be fair to the victims and it is going to cause anger and hurt to come out all over again.

I feel for all these people and what they are going to be subjected to in these allegations. The fact they are willing to go through this to me means there are truths.

Oh no doubt. I’m not disagreeing. I just think 36 year old memories can be tough. That said we should listen.

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BlackPearl  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:36:21am

re: #213 ObserverArt

Goths in the US have been trading looks with Harajuku style forever - I’ve got a few copies of Fruits magazine that are a dozen years old. My understanding is that things like Gothic Lolita (despite the horrible implications in English) are a reaction against sexual harassment of young women - the styles are explicitly antisexual (sleeves to wrists, collars to neck, etc.) and it’s celebrating prettiness while rejecting sexiness.

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Schweppes7  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:37:11am

re: #214 wheat-dogg

I wanted to visit it, but you need to book tickets well in advance. You can’t just walk in and buy tickets the day of. Also, it’s a bit far from Tokyo proper, so plan accordingly.

I actually just got back from my honeymoon in Japan! We visited the Ghibli museum and it was well worth the trip. We got tickets months in advance through a travel agency. While it is not in Tokyo proper, it is a pretty convenient subway ride and bus away (with lots of clear signs for the bus so even a non-Japanese speaker like me could follow it).

I am a huge Ghibli fan so me and my now husband watched a bunch of the films in anticipation of our trip! My favorite is still Princess Mononoke, though I have a soft spot for Howl’s Moving Castle

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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:37:56am

re: #141 Targetpractice

She’s had multiple divorces and bankruptcies, qualities that only matter if you’re talking about someone other than Dear Leader.

GOP wingnutters buckets of slime.

For any people watching that have a brain, this past year is the most incredible display of dishonesty and corruption for power in my lifetime by a political party. They aren’t even hiding it, they are all riding the Trump/Fox train like drunks on a rampage.

And I hope people are watching, because this is all gonna blow up. It cannot sustain itself at this pace.

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:39:39am
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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:40:10am

re: #217 Unshaken Defiance

The doll like appearance is off putting to me. Deliberate artificiality surely does not mean the same thing to me as the intended audience. (?)

The Japanese, both male and female, have an obsession with childlike manners and dress. There are hentai written for both women’s and men’s sexual fantasies involving children and young teens — books that could only be sold on the dark web here in the USA — while the kawaii culture seems popular with both young women, who apparently want to remain childlike as long as possible, and young men, who like their girlfriends that way. (Though millennials in Japan reportedly are giving up sex.)

China has less of a kawaii culture, but young women still try to be silly and childish even as college students. Maybe it’s a result of the strict middle and high school education the Japanese and Chinese endure. Any opportunities to be just kids pretty much gets cut off once they enter sixth grade.

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scottslemmons  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:42:11am

My all-time favorite anime series is “Cowboy Bebop,” which earns so many many points on style, animation, and story even before you get to the spectacular jazz soundtrack.

I’ve also got a weak place in my heart for the bizarre quasi-horror series “Paranoia Agent” and that one episode of “Full Metal Alchemist” with Nina Tucker and her dog Alexander. Had me standing up in front of the TV at the end because I couldn’t believe I’d seen something like that in a show that looked so kid-friendly.

As far as manga goes, my all-time favorites are the adorable “Yotsuba&!” and the weirdly horrific “Uzumaki.”

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:44:13am

re: #231 scottslemmons

The opening credits alone of “Paranoia Agent” are absolutely brilliant; it’s what pulled me in and I found it thoroughly enjoyable.

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scottslemmons  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:46:36am

re: #231 scottslemmons

My all-time favorite anime series is “Cowboy Bebop,” which earns so many many points on style, animation, and story even before you get to the spectacular jazz soundtrack.

I’ve also got a weak place in my heart for the bizarre quasi-horror series “Paranoia Agent” and that one episode of “Full Metal Alchemist” with Nina Tucker and her dog Alexander. Had me standing up in front of the TV at the end because I couldn’t believe I’d seen something like that in a show that looked so kid-friendly.

As far as manga goes, my all-time favorites are the adorable “Yotsuba&!” and the weirdly horrific “Uzumaki.”

Ohh! And FLCL! How could I forget FLCL?!

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:46:43am

re: #226 BlackPearl

Goths in the US have been trading looks with Harajuku style forever - I’ve got a few copies of Fruits magazine that are a dozen years old. My understanding is that things like Gothic Lolita (despite the horrible implications in English) are a reaction against sexual harassment of young women - the styles are explicitly antisexual (sleeves to wrists, collars to neck, etc.) and it’s celebrating prettiness while rejecting sexiness.

I don’t doubt that is part of the intent, to be pretty without being sexy. Gothic Lolita fashion is like a darker version of the Alice dress I mentioned above.

Image: Two_gothlolita.jpg

Notably, both Alice clothing and Gothic Lolita fashion draw from Western Victorian fashion, rather than traditional Japanese clothing styles. That’s another fashion trend among young people in Japan, with women and men wearing clothes from the Edo period, including wooden sandals.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:48:38am

re: #109 FormerDirtDart

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:50:57am

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:51:15am

Oh, and I see the showrunner for The Flash, Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow and Arrow series on the CW has also been accused of improprieties, and has been suspended pending an investigation.

deadline.com

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:51:17am

re: #227 Schweppes7

I actually just got back from my honeymoon in Japan! We visited the Ghibli museum and it was well worth the trip. We got tickets months in advance through a travel agency. While it is not in Tokyo proper, it is a pretty convenient subway ride and bus away (with lots of clear signs for the bus so even a non-Japanese speaker like me could follow it).

I am a huge Ghibli fan so me and my now husband watched a bunch of the films in anticipation of our trip! My favorite is still Princess Mononoke, though I have a soft spot for Howl’s Moving Castle

Princess Mononoke or Nausicaa are two of my favorites. Tonari no Totoro was great when our kids were little.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:52:33am

re: #235 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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I’m still not certain Roy Moore couldn’t do time for the alleged actions. I am certain that the Alabama power structure is so corrupt that we will never find out.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:53:34am

re: #238 Barefoot Grin

Princess Mononoke or Nausicaa are two of my favorites. Tonari no Totoro was great when our kids were little.

I think I just need to devote several weekends watching anime films. I have Mononoke and Totoro, but haven’t watched them yet, and need to borrow Nausicaa from my stepson, or watch it some other way.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:53:55am

re: #226 BlackPearl

Goths in the US have been trading looks with Harajuku style forever - I’ve got a few copies of Fruits magazine that are a dozen years old. My understanding is that things like Gothic Lolita (despite the horrible implications in English) are a reaction against sexual harassment of young women - the styles are explicitly antisexual (sleeves to wrists, collars to neck, etc.) and it’s celebrating prettiness while rejecting sexiness.

LFG poster electrotek?? and I were discussing the “ganguro” (“black face”) trend of the 1990s in this respect. Young women took the white skin, delicate feature ideal to its opposite extreme almost to the grotesque partly as a response to the mainstream culture’s fixation on kawaii.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:54:01am

Also, I need to go to bed. Bye for now!

Leaving you all this parting shot:

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The Major  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:55:23am

re: #240 wheat-dogg

Cowboy Bebop: The movie is a good watch just so you get the flavor of one of the greatest anime series ever - same with Evangelion remake movies as well.

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The Major  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:56:53am

re: #227 Schweppes7

I’ve always dreamed of having a Shinto wedding - they look so cool.

Alas, I do not seeing that happening anytime soon - if ever……

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:56:57am

re: #240 wheat-dogg

I think I just need to devote several weekends watching anime films. I have Mononoke and Totoro, but haven’t watched them yet, and need to borrow Nausicaa from my stepson, or watch it some other way.

They are both somewhat pessimistic about human nature and the environment. Miyazaki has said in interviews that ‘Japan is doomed and should just get it over with’; it struck me though that a character in Natsume Soseki’s novel Sanshiro says while gazing out a train window looking at Mt. Fuji “Japan is doomed” (ca. 1912 or so). I think that’s been an important strain in the Japanese psyche and arts for centuries.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:57:49am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

Stupid question here but is Trump that stupid? Like man. The way he just takes Putin at his word. Of course, Putin’s going to deny he meddled in the election. Either Trump’s incredibly stupid or he thinks we all are.

A little of each. Trump knows that a lot of Americans are stupid, that’s why he ran as a demagogue, and keeps lying since stupid authoritarians will buy it because of his position. He’s also an old man who wanders off and needs to be redirected.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2017 • 8:59:09am

re: #231 scottslemmons

My all-time favorite anime series is “Cowboy Bebop,” which earns so many many points on style, animation, and story even before you get to the spectacular jazz soundtrack.

Yes.

From its creator: Samurai Champloo.

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:00:08am
I was expecting a smaller desk.

From the ‘Why hasn’t someone said that before’ file.

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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:01:01am

re: #224 Belafon

Yeah, let’s blame the people wearing the clothes.

I’m not blaming the people wearing the clothes. I am wondering why they choose to wear the clothes and if there are some other things going on.

Are you familiar with some of the fantasies from the male side of things in Japan? Young girls, schoolgirls and the like are big in the fantasy world.

It is not an easy subject to discuss. So, how about discussing instead of jumping to a conclusion as to why I posted it.

In fact, I wondered if I should have posted it. I probably shouldn’t have. I need to get busy, so I am out.

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The Major  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:02:21am

re: #229 makeitstop

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:02:37am

re: #245 Barefoot Grin

They are both somewhat pessimistic about human nature and the environment. Miyazaki has said in interviews that ‘Japan is doomed and should just get it over with’; it struck me though that a character in Natsume Soseki’s novel Sanshiro says while gazing out a train window looking at Mt. Fuji “Japan is doomed” (ca. 1912 or so). I think that’s been an important strain in the Japanese psyche and arts for centuries.

A lot of that apocalypticism turns up in anime…..it’s a fairly consistent thread.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:05:18am

Now this is one of the first Anime series I remember seeing as a kid—Prince Planet

veoh.com

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:07:54am

re: #252 Joe Bacon 🌹

Now this is one of the first Anime series I remember seeing as a kid—Prince Planet

veoh.com

Wow…..from the mid 1960’s. So anime’s been on American TV for about 50 years. Cool.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:08:55am

And here is another one of the earliest Anime from the early 60s—8th Man.

Tobor the 8th Man EP 01: HOW I, 8TH MAN CAME TO BE (1965) [Remastered & Restored]

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BigPapa  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:09:55am

SEX CLAMS!

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:10:51am

re: #253 Dr Lizardo

Wow…..from the mid 1960’s. So anime’s been on American TV for about 50 years. Cool.

So, was Astroboy anime?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:11:01am

re: #255 BigPapa

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SEX CLAMS!

I don’t remember Howard Johnson’s selling Tendersweet Sex Clams!

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:11:19am

The world is a sex oyster.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:12:17am

re: #256 wrenchwench

So, was Astroboy anime?

Yes…..Tetsuwan Atomu.

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:14:33am

re: #259 Dr Lizardo

Yes…..Tetsuwan Atomu.

Ooops, sorry, Astro Boy.

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:14:54am

re: #253 Dr Lizardo

Wow…..from the mid 1960’s. So anime’s been on American TV for about 50 years. Cool.

Speed Racer was a big one in Philly around the late Sixties.

Speed Racer pre-1990s open and close

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:15:22am

re: #255 BigPapa

Mr Editor let me introduce you to my good friend, the dictionary. ///

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:16:18am

re: #261 makeitstop

Speed Racer was a big one in Philly around the late Sixties.

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That was still being shown in re-runs in L.A. in the early to mid-’70s. Still iconic after all these decades.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:16:25am

I always has a soft spot as a kid for Gerry Anderson’s Supermarionation shows.

Supercar - S1E01 - Rescue

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Schweppes7  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:17:20am

re: #244 The Major

That wedding type does sound really cool, though my husband and I just did a traditional American wedding (or as traditional as an interracial interfaith gay wedding gets anyhow :) ).

I highly recommend Japan as a honeymoon destination though, it was an awesome adventure and well worth the trip, even just for the food alone!

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BigPapa  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:19:05am

Try our world famous Sex Clams, with hot sauce and a cigarette for afterward.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:19:27am

re: #255 BigPapa

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SEX CLAMS!

Latest news from Mussel Shoals.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:19:46am

re: #262 PhillyPretzel

Mr Editor let me introduce you to my good friend, the dictionary. ///

They were typing it on a mobile phone. Damn autocorrect. Totally excusable! /

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:19:54am

re: #261 makeitstop

Speed Racer was a big one in Philly around the late Sixties.

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Video

I should note they did a pretty good job with the American opening titles when compared to the original Japanese opening.

Speed Racer Opening! (Original Japanese)

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:20:12am

re: #263 Dr Lizardo

That was still being shown in re-runs in L.A. in the early to mid-’70s. Still iconic after all these decades.

I think TV in southern California could not be equaled until they invented the internet. I had a friend who was unemployed for a spell in the 70s, and he watched M*A*S*H five times a day.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:20:28am

So that’s how you kids call it nowadays, huh.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:20:39am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:21:47am

re: #270 wrenchwench

I think TV in southern California could not be equaled until they invented the internet. I had a friend who was unemployed for a spell in the 70s, and he watched M*A*S*H five times a day.

LOL there was some good programs. Godzilla flicks on Sunday afternoons, weird sci-fi movies from time to time, anime…..yeah, definitely good times.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:21:50am

re: #272 jaunte

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Seems legit….

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:22:52am
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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:24:28am

re: #264 Joe Bacon 🌹

I always has a soft spot as a kid for Gerry Anderson’s Supermarionation shows.

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Thunderbirds!

Thunderbirds: Trapped In The Sky | Season 1 Episode 1 (Full Episode)

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:24:34am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:26:21am

re: #270 wrenchwench

I think TV in southern California could not be equaled until they invented the internet. I had a friend who was unemployed for a spell in the 70s, and he watched M*A*S*H five times a day.

I barely remember when TV started in Pittsburgh and there were only 2 VHF stations—WQED (Educational TV) and WDTV (DuMont) which eventually became KDKA.

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:26:38am

re: #269 Dr Lizardo

I should note they did a pretty good job with the American opening titles when compared to the original Japanese opening.

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Video

I’d never seen that! Thanks.

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BigPapa  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:27:14am

A very important and scientific poll

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:27:24am

re: #273 Dr Lizardo

LOL there was some good programs. Godzilla flicks on Sunday afternoons, weird sci-fi movies from time to time, anime…..yeah, definitely good times.

There was one channel that played the same movie everyday (after school) for a week. Then there’d be another weird sci-fi treat the next week.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:30:02am

re: #272 jaunte

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12?!??

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:30:24am

re: #281 wrenchwench

There was one channel that played the same movie everyday (after school) for a week. Then there’d be another weird sci-fi treat the next week.

I recall a broadcast of (the original) Invaders From Mars….it was in 1976 or so. Scared the bejesus out of me, LOL.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:30:48am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

Stories R staffers tell themselves.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:32:52am

re: #284 jaunte

Stories R staffers tell themselves.

Yeah. I don’t think agrvof consent has ever been 12 in the modern era.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:32:52am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

12?!??

Looks like it was a misdemeanor offense if the child is over 12; but probably a felony if the child is younger.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:33:07am

re: #255 BigPapa

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SEX CLAMS!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:33:11am

In Flanders fields the poppies grow…

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:33:59am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:35:49am

re: #286 Hecuba’s daughter

Looks like it was a misdemeanor offense if the child is over 12; but probably a felony if the child is younger.

Ah.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:36:43am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

Stupid question here but is Trump that stupid? Like man. The way he just takes Putin at his word. Of course, Putin’s going to deny he meddled in the election. Either Trump’s incredibly stupid or he thinks we all are.

Not stupid. Narcissistic.

He takes Putin at his word because he wants to believe so badly that he won the Presidency and beat “crooked Hillary” all by himself. It’s a big fucking ego stroke.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:38:07am

I just wonder how any of these guys would respond if it was their loved one taken advantage of by a powerful man.

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:38:09am

re: #286 Hecuba’s daughter

Looks like it was a misdemeanor offense if the child is over 12; but probably a felony if the child is younger.

So…
merely revolting: misdemeanor
vomit-inducing: felony

I might just go back to bed at this point.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:40:10am

re: #285 HappyWarrior

Yeah. I don’t think agrvof consent has ever been 12 in the modern era.

Delaware, 1960—7yrs?

The 1960s were sort of the Modern Era. A few states went that low for marriage, usually with several legal hoops involving parental consent, pregnancy, judicial intervention, etc.

(Can’t vouch the background of this website—it’s a quick grab.)

discover-the-truth.com

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:42:01am

re: #294 Decatur Deb

There are a lot of weird laws all over the USA. I think in Florida dogs cannot smoke cigars.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:43:06am

re: #294 Decatur Deb

Delaware, 1960—7yrs?

The 1960s were sort of the Modern Era. A few states went that low for marriage, usually with several legal hoops involving parental consent, pregnancy, judicial intervention, etc.

(Can’t vouch the background of this website—it’s a quick grab.)

discover-the-truth.com

Ah ok.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:44:36am

re: #295 PhillyPretzel

There are a lot of weird laws all over the USA. I think in Florida dogs cannot smoke cigars.

re: #296 HappyWarrior

“Reality is sort of an approximation”
—S Wright

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:44:45am

re: #295 PhillyPretzel

There are a lot of weird laws all over the USA. I think in Florida dogs cannot smoke cigars.

Honking your car horn inside the city limits of New York is illegal!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:48:03am

Damn, I see Richard Dreyfuss has allegations out against him too. This thing is snowballing fast.

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Charmingly Persistent  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:49:17am

re: #220 ObserverArt

No different than Moore’s alleged misdeeds as far as time. So, if we are going to go after Moore about being a creep we have to use the same judgments and standards for others.

Agreed, but the standard for judging Moore a creep was a thorough investigation by WaPo with four on-record victims and 30 off-record sources. A claim deserves serious consideration and investigation, but that doesn’t mean every claim is true. I admit I don’t want it to be true because I like George Takei.

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:51:09am

About 15 years ago, when Mr. w was in college (he was a ‘non-traditional’ student) an acquaintance of his asked if he could borrow Mr. w’s ‘veteran’s uniform’ for Halloween. Mr. w said, ‘I’m wearing it.’ He was in his jeans and t-shirt, as he has worn every day since 1969. His ‘friend’ said, ‘You mean you’re gonna wear it on Halloween?’ Mr. w said, ‘No, I’m wearing my veteran’s uniform right now.’ The guy meant his Navy uniform. Mr. w treated him as the ignoramus he was.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:52:36am

re: #295 PhillyPretzel

There are a lot of weird laws all over the USA. I think in Florida dogs cannot smoke cigars.

But they can still play poker, right?

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:53:07am
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:53:25am

re: #302 Barefoot Grin

I do not know. Probably.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:54:31am

The claim that a mere accusation without a subsequent investigation (journalistic or otherwise) is equal to all other claims which have been corroborated to one degree or another, is preposterous.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:57:10am

re: #305 Nyet

Yes, and knee jerk reactions in situations like this can be very damaging.

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Charmingly Persistent  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:57:50am

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2017 • 9:58:35am

re: #305 Nyet

The claim that a mere accusation without a subsequent investigation (journalistic or otherwise) is equal to all other claims which have been corroborated to one degree or another, is preposterous.

‘Accusations’ form a broad spectrum, from ‘mere’ to ‘every body knew. but nobody was talking then’. Lots of stuff in between.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:00:22am

re: #295 PhillyPretzel

There are a lot of weird laws all over the USA. I think in Florida dogs cannot smoke cigars.

But they can own a gun.

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TedStriker  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:00:28am

re: #108 Dr Lizardo

That’s a bingo!

That’s how you say that, right?

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retired cynic  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:01:27am

re: #289 jaunte

I adore the expression of the guy on the right.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:03:10am

Whether Moore is a perv or not has absolutely no bearing on the likelihood I will vote for him on Dec 12.

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retired cynic  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:03:28am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

I just wonder how any of these guys would respond if it was their loved one taken advantage of by a powerful man.

How old is Cruz’s eldest daughter now???

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:04:23am

re: #307 Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:12:29am

nbcnews.com

This just makes me sick reading it. The Republican elected hacks are bad enough but these are our fellow citizens right here defending Moore and even saying the allegations strengthen their support for him. JFC.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:13:10am

re: #313 retired cynic

How old is Cruz’s eldest daughter now???

I don’t know. Man this whole thing just makes me sick. It’s more than just what Moore did. It’s how if you see my post below, the Alabama GOP-elected officials and citizens are rallying to Moore.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:13:35am

re: #312 Decatur Deb

Whether Moore is a perv or not has absolutely no bearing on the likelihood I will vote for him on Dec 12.

He was a a jackass before the allegations. Now he’s a pervy jackass.

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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:18:14am

re: #220 ObserverArt

No different than Moore’s alleged misdeeds as far as time. So, if we are going to go after Moore about being a creep we have to use the same judgments and standards for others.

In other words, this is all going to get real messy due to all the time and all the cover that has gone on since. It’s going to allow some excuses that are not going to be fair to the victims and it is going to cause anger and hurt to come out all over again.

I feel for all these people and what they are going to be subjected to in these allegations. The fact they are willing to go through this to me means there are truths.

I want to be clear on this previous comment. I only made it due to Happy Warrior saying…

What makes that tough is the incident happened 36 years ago. Faulty memories and all that. Though something like that obviously would stand out. I do hope we find the truth whatever it is.

…in regards to allegations against George Takei.

My point is if Moore’s excusers try to say it happened so long ago, never mind, then some are going to try do the same for Takei.

And, if we allow Moore’s accusers recollections of 30 years to be used, then those Takei accusers should be allowed the same.

Just trying to keep it all fair for all parties.

In many ways this is all like the issues in rape cases. The victim is subject to question and doubt and is battered by the process to where they want nothing to do with the process and back out of carrying on. Then the accused gets off and they and their supporters can try to say it was all a setup to bring down someone innocent.

Okay…back to house work.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:18:21am
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bratwurst  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:19:02am

Even assholes are scoring points on Billo these days.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:19:37am

re: #318 ObserverArt

I want to be clear on this previous comment. I only made it due to Happy Warrior saying…

…in regards to allegations against George Takei.

My point is if Moore’s excusers try to say it happened so long ago, never mind, then some are going to try do the same for Takei.

And, if we allow Moore’s accusers recollections of 30 years to be used, then those Takei users should be allowed the same.

Just trying to keep it all fair for all parties.

In many ways this is all like the issues in rape cases. The victim is subject to question and doubt and is battered by the process to where they want nothing to do with the process and back out of carrying on. Then the accused gets off and they and their supporters can try to say it was all a setup to bring down someone innocent.

Okay…back to house work.

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t dismissing Takei’s accuser because it happened a long time ago. I merely stated that memory can be faulty. I was actually referring to people he may have talked to after the incident. That said, yeah the accusations should be taken seriously.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:20:17am

re: #320 bratwurst

Even assholes are scoring points on Billo these days.

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I forget Bill, how many times did you engage in smearing people you disliked when you were in the media? Dude just shut the hell up for once in your life.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:20:47am

re: #319 jaunte

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The WSJ is obviously deep state liberals funded by Soros. //

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:23:34am

Bill is whining that the media is doing what it’s supposed to. I guess he’d rather the Post and WSJ do what Fox does and that’s get people angry about trivial shit like being wished a Happy Holidays or clicking 2 for Spanish on the telephone.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:24:08am
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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:24:37am

re: #305 Nyet

The claim that a mere accusation without a subsequent investigation (journalistic or otherwise) is equal to all other claims which have been corroborated to one degree or another, is preposterous.

If this happens to be aimed at my comment you read me wrong. I was talking about the excuses not the claims.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:24:49am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

The WSJ is obviously deep state liberals funded by Soros. //

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:25:51am

re: #325 jaunte

Caught in the act. Those *&^% cats.

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Belafon  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:26:55am

re: #243 The Major

Cowboy Bebop: The movie is a good watch just so you get the flavor of one of the greatest anime series ever - same with Evangelion remake movies as well.

It’s one of the few that I’ve seen that complements the series properly.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:28:08am
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Nyet  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:28:35am

re: #326 ObserverArt

If this happens to be aimed at my comment you read me wrong. I was talking about the excuses not the claims.

HW was talking about faulty memories, not that time erases bad deeds. You were responding to HW.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:29:43am

re: #330 FormerDirtDart

They’ll miss the rollout of her “Derelicte” line.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:29:55am
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Romantic Heretic  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:30:15am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:31:11am

This guy is unreal, even for one of these “alt-right” freaks.

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scottslemmons  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:31:34am

re: #322 HappyWarrior

I forget Bill, how many times did you engage in smearing people you disliked when you were in the media? Dude just shut the hell up for once in your life.

He got a doctor murdered in his own church because he insisted on trying the man in the media.

O’Reilly built the scaffold, and now he’s mad because actual criminals are getting hanged on it.

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:33:49am

re: #334 Romantic Heretic

It’s that day again.

[Embedded content]

Double updings for Eric Bogle. Other comments of yours will see them.

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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:33:50am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t dismissing Takei’s accuser because it happened a long time ago. I merely stated that memory can be faulty. I was actually referring to people he may have talked to after the incident. That said, yeah the accusations should be taken seriously.

Didn’t say you were. I was trying to clarify that fact to be sure. The thing is, Moore’s people are saying the memory of his accusers can be faulty. And they are using that as an excuse for him no matter how much investigation has been done and facts uncovered.

I seem to not be very clear. Discussions in this area sometimes go sideways. I give up.

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:35:08am

re: #318 ObserverArt

Do we have to believe all 30 year old accusations now or are we allowed to weigh evidence on a case by case basis?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:38:21am
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Kragar  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:38:34am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:40:42am

re: #341 Kragar

I reported that ass. But I know Twitter will give Stone yet another pass!

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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:42:07am

re: #331 Nyet

HW was talking about faulty memories, not that time erases bad deeds. You were responding to HW.

No I was talking about people using the excuse time leads to faulty memories.

I was cautioning that we can’t allow time to be an issue in one and not the other. All the excuses and arguments are going to be the same in many of these allegations.

I never intended to imply that time erases bad deeds. Not sure where you get that, but I could tell that was how it was being read.

That is why I am trying clarify the comment. Oh well. Not doing a good job.

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:43:33am

Pompeo performs kabuki live!!

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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:44:12am

re: #335 Charles Johnson

This guy is unreal, even for one of these “alt-right” freaks.

[Embedded content]

Does he realize how he is recognized “worldwide? It’s not all good Mikey.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:44:55am
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Nyet  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:48:21am

re: #343 ObserverArt

No I was talking about people using the excuse time leads to faulty memories.

I was cautioning that we can’t allow time to be an issue in one and not the other. All the excuses and arguments are going to be the same in many of these allegations.

I never intended to imply that time erases bad deeds. Not sure where you get that, but I could tell that was how it was being read.

That is why I am trying clarify the comment. Oh well. Not doing a good job.

In which case my response (which was about the evidentiary value) still applies. Time is always an issue, but several old corroborated testimonies investigated by a journalist weigh more than a single as yet uncorroborated and uninvestigated old one. Time is less of an issue for them. They are not equal. So HW bringing this up was not an example of a double standard.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:48:54am
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Jay C  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:49:43am

re: #344 makeitstop

Pompeo performs kabuki live!!

[Embedded content]

Andrea Mitchell ought to write better (or make sure she gets her 280—characters) - If I’m reading it correctly: there should be a break (colon, dash inserted “a”?) between “meddled” and “direct”.

As it stands, it’s unclear whether Pompeo is “challenging” the Trump/Russian* version of the election-meddling charges or not.

* And who the F would have thought the dubious side of the issue would be described as “Trump/Russian”? Jesus Christ on a three-wheeled bike….

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stpaulbear  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:49:52am

re: #334 Romantic Heretic

It’s that day again.

[Embedded content]

The Zombies - Butcher’s Tale (Western Front 1914) HQ (1968)

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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:50:00am

re: #339 gocart mozart

Do we have to believe all 30 year old accusations now or are we allowed to weigh evidence on a case by case basis?

And now you know how confusing this all is.

Keep in mind “we” may think one thing and “they” are going to think something else. Which is exactly what is happening.

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piratedan  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:52:26am

re: #231 scottslemmons

well, I love that anime is so wonderfully diverse…

while I do adore Cowboy BeBop and Full Metal Alchemist, some of my favorites that I see rarely mentioned here are Silver Spoon and AnoHana

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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2017 • 10:57:28am

re: #347 Nyet

In which case my response (which was about the evidentiary value) still applies. Time is always an issue, but several old corroborated testimonies investigated by a journalist weigh more than a single as yet uncorroborated and uninvestigated old one. Time is less of an issue for them. They are not equal. So HW bringing this up was not an example of a double standard.

Last comment about the dang comment.

It was not my intention to say he did. Do you not understand cautioning that we don’t make it a double standard? Can you not understand why I brought it up based on how Happy wrote his comment? I saw him leaving an opening and I wanted to make sure it was clarified and he wasn’t making it an excuse.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:03:44am
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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:04:38am

Thread. (Pwnallthethings)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:06:33am

re: #354 jaunte

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Doesn’t surprise me.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:06:59am

Dammit. No need to let this sex allegation crap run us down the rabbit hole. Fundamentals. Number of accusers, weight of evidence, and sometimes have the patience to wait and see. Even in the face of an election date. Or an unblemished reputation.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:07:43am

re: #356 HappyWarrior

It’s a cheap way to make war on Spain, but why would they want to?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:08:46am

So, I was chatting with a friend of mine here and she asked me what my favorite film score was…..and I mentioned that I have many faves, but one of the all-time best was Basil Poledouris’ score for Conan the Barbarian. I told her that score elevated a fairly low-budget B-movie into the gold standard for sword-and-sorcery flicks until Jackson’s Lord of the Rings trilogy.

For me at least, Poledouris’ score is one of the finest film scores I’ve ever heard.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:09:05am

re: #358 jaunte

It’s a cheap way to make war on Spain, but why would they want to?

Just another country to divide in the EU.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:09:16am

re: #358 jaunte

It’s a cheap way to make war on Spain, but why would they want to?

To harm the EU by causing dissension and strife.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:10:31am

re: #361 Dr Lizardo

Divide and conquer.

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:10:39am

re: #358 jaunte

It’s a cheap way to make war on Spain, but why would they want to?

Putin’s version of Tom Joad’s speech.

Wherever there’s division between people, I’ll be there.

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Jay C  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:12:48am

re: #358 jaunte

It’s a cheap way to make war on Spain, but why would they want to?

Encouraging separatist movements in European countries - along with backing far-right loony parties - seems to be a basic Russian meddle-move: anything, it seems, that will cause domestic friction.
The Catalan separatists in Spain were probably just (IMO) the best-organized of the movements, thus the likeliest target for some low-cost ratf*cking.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:14:24am

crooksandliars.com

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TedStriker  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:15:46am

re: #359 Dr Lizardo

So, I was chatting with a friend of mine here and she asked me what my favorite film score was…..and I mentioned that I have many faves, but one of the all-time best was Basil Poledouris’ score for Conan the Barbarian. I told her that score elevated a fairly low-budget B-movie into the gold standard for sword-and-sorcery flicks until Jackson’s Lord of the Rings trilogy.

For me at least, Poledouris’ score is one of the finest film scores I’ve ever heard.

Poledouris’ score for The Hunt for Red October is great as well.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:16:30am

re: #366 TedStriker

Yes it is. One of my favorites.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:16:56am

re: #366 TedStriker

Poledouris’ score for The Hunt for Red October is great as well.

Definitely. Fine work on Robocop as well.

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The Major  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:17:13am

re: #341 Kragar

I reported him - let’s see if I can get another Twitter scalp of his….

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TedStriker  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:17:16am

re: #368 Dr Lizardo

Definitely. Fine work on Robocop as well.

Most definitely.

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retired cynic  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:20:16am

nonprofitquarterly.orgre: #358 jaunte

It’s a cheap way to make war on Spain, but why would they want to?

CHAOS

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danarchy  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:22:33am

re: #365 jaunte

[Embedded content]

crooksandliars.com

Looks like there may have been legitimate reasons for that.

wtop.com

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retired cynic  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:22:49am

re: #371 retired cynic

SORRY! I was going to send the link to an interesting article about 21st century “commons,” using an 800 year old document similar to the Magna Carta. And it got got up in a shoot from the hip comment on jaunte’s question.

With more words, Putin wants to deconstruct the EU, the same as he does the US.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:26:12am
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retired cynic  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:26:52am

re: #372 danarchy

Looks like there may have been legitimate reasons for that.

wtop.com

I wondered. But I also wondered if a DT donor did not have a for profit business doing the same thing. With the history of conflicts of interest we are seeing, that didn’t seem like a stretch, either.

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:29:26am

re: #373 retired cynic

SORRY! I was going to send the link to an interesting article about 21st century “commons,” using an 800 year old document similar to the Magna Carta. And it got got up in a shoot from the hip comment on jaunte’s question.

With more words, Putin wants to deconstruct the EU, the same as he does the US.

With just a little more work, Charles can come up with a commenting system that will post what we meant to say, not what we type and paste into the comment box.

/dreaming

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The Major  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:31:11am

re: #320 bratwurst

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:31:48am

From a couple of days ago (or yesterday, I can’t keep track):

I meant peek, not peak.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:32:36am

re: #313 retired cynic

How old is Cruz’s eldest daughter now???

9 years old.

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The Major  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:33:45am

re: #265 Schweppes7

Visiting Japan is definitely on my bucket list….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:34:34am

re: #380 The Major

Visiting Japan is definitely on my bucket list….

Mine too. I’d like to go to China as well.

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:35:25am

re: #380 The Major

Visiting Japan is definitely on my bucket list….

You’ll need a theme song.

Graham Parker - Discovering Japan

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:38:53am

Graham Parker kilt the thread.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:42:41am

Roy Moore and Doug Jones both have young girls in their past

Some great stuff from an Alabama newpaper’s opinion page …
Roy Moore defense: Unbuckling the Bible Belt
al.com

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Kragar  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:43:20am
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nines09  Nov 11, 2017 • 11:57:53am

...

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:03:31pm

re: #386 nines09

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Can’t see it.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:04:12pm

re: #385 Kragar

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nines09  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:04:42pm

re: #387 makeitstop

Hello. Get your axe? Happy with it? Technology. How does it work?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:06:53pm
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scottslemmons  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:13:22pm

Mostly off-topic, but as a comics fan, it’s nice to see this Buzzfeed article focusing on comics editor Eddie Berganza’s long record of harassment and assault, and on DC Comics’ shameless efforts to make sure he suffered no penalties.

Back in the day, I was a lowly Z-list comics blogger, and even I had heard multiple stories about all the garbage Berganza had done.

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sagehen  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:15:39pm

My veteran’s day offering.

The art installation is entitled “Blood Swept Lands and Seas of Red”. The building in the background is the Tower of London. There’s the same number of ceramic poppies as there were commonwealth soldiers KIA in WWI.

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Jay C  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:18:03pm

re: #392 sagehen

[Embedded content]

My veteran’s day offering.

The art installation is entitled “Blood Swept Lands and Seas of Red”. The building in the background is the Tower of London. There’s the same number of ceramic poppies as there were commonwealth soldiers KIA in WWI.

Wow.
Just wow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:32:51pm

re: #392 sagehen

[Embedded content]

My veteran’s day offering.

The art installation is entitled “Blood Swept Lands and Seas of Red”. The building in the background is the Tower of London. There’s the same number of ceramic poppies as there were commonwealth soldiers KIA in WWI.

more pictures:
bbc.com

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Jay C  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:41:30pm

re: #394 Backwoods_Sleuth

888,246

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:43:41pm

re: #395 Jay C

888,246

speechless

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:45:12pm

I suspect we’re going to get to a point where a whole lot of men will be trying to explain bad behavior that happened decades ago. Because behavior like most other things happens on a spectrum, there will be a lot of guys who did stuff that was acceptable in those times that really wasn’t okay, and a lot of guys who did stuff that wasn’t really okay even then.

If you’re a guy my age, you’re probably going back through your memories of dating, wondering if there was ever a time when you crossed the line. This is especially true because the time when we were teens still had a very different morality around women and sex. Girls were still being taught that only bad girls wanted sex, while at the same time society was increasingly sexualizing them. The message they received was confusing - it might be okay to have sex if you put up some resistance first, if you were ‘swept away by passion’, but if you were an enthusiastic participant, you were a slut. You might be okay if you held out for a while and gave in bit by bit.

For guys, it was the same message viewed from the other side - that you should expect to have to overcome some resistance. How much was never spelled out. You were supposed to know somehow the difference between a REAL “no” and token resistance to maintain respectability. You were supposed to be persistent, the flip side of the girl having to give in bit by bit.

Looked at through the lens of years, this is part of the message that women don’t own their own bodies, that they have to be conquered. But put two horny teenagers together after loading them down with these conflicting messages, and you get a lot of potential for misunderstanding.

Over time, from the 1970s through today, other issues have come to the fore which really should have come up before, predominantly power relationships. The boss chasing his secretary around the desk was a joke back then, or the secretary being asked to sit on his lap while taking dictation. Christ, in my 1975 High School yearbook, the picture they took for ‘Most Likely To Succeed’ (I was the guy) involved me sitting at a desk with my feet up on it, while the girl was there with a pad taking dictation! It was still years in the future for that old trope to move from a joke that painted it as ‘how things are’ to where it is now.

In colleges, undergrad girls were almost considered a perq of the job of Professor - in Animal House, Boone comes back from the road trip to find The Cool Professor is banging his girlfriend.

We have very different understandings of these things now, and a lot of prominent guys are discovering that things they did weren’t so innocent, while a lot of us not-at-all-prominent guys are gingerly looking through our memory vaults hoping we didn’t do the same stuff.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2017 • 12:50:50pm

And of course, while I wrote this dissertation, everyone scampered off upstairs.

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fern01  Nov 11, 2017 • 2:02:11pm

re: #117 Targetpractice

To be fair, Donny may not be a Putin puppet but instead a useful idiot whose habitual watching of Faux has him completely convinced that there’s nothing to the whole Russia business because Lumpy and Bill’O insisted that it was all a “hoax” concocted by Fusion GPS.

Considering the reports that the man can’t seem to follow a briefing without colorful pictures and must have it all condensed down to a few minutes or he loses interest, it’s entirely plausible that we have a man whose descent into Alzheimer’s makes it easier for him to follow the graphics on the TV than the dense IC reports showing just how badly Russia fucked with our elections.

There is NO “fair” when dealing with trump. He might be a fool but siding with Putin is good for his bottom line - he owes him big time.

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fern01  Nov 11, 2017 • 2:36:07pm

re: #353 ObserverArt

Last comment about the dang comment.

It was not my intention to say he did. Do you not understand cautioning that we don’t make it a double standard? Can you not understand why I brought it up based on how Happy wrote his comment? I saw him leaving an opening and I wanted to make sure it was clarified and he wasn’t making it an excuse.

With this one you NEVER get the last word - you will get a reply (& I haven’t read further yet)

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Alephnaught  Nov 11, 2017 • 3:15:50pm

re: #320 bratwurst

Even assholes are scoring points on Billo these days.

[Embedded content]

Blimey, “trial by media”? That’s not even original to the tune of almost half a century. Some were getting worried about “trial by television” after David Frost’s infamous (live) interview with Dr Emil Savundra in 1967.

David Frost vs Emil Savundra “Trial By Television” 1967 (pt.1of2)

David Frost vs Emil Savundra “Trial By Television” 1967 (pt.2of2)


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Tune-Yards - Look at Your Hands (Official Video) 'Look at Your Hands' by Tune-Yards. New album 'I can feel you creep into my private life' is released January 19th 2018: smarturl.it Video by Michael SpeedFootage by Marisa Gesualdi & Jennifer SommerAdditional photos by Nate Brenner, Ginger Fierstein ...
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