Brilliant Sunday Night Leon Bridges Jam: “Bad Bad News”

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“Bad Bad News” taken from Leon Bridges’ new album GOOD THING – out May 4

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Director: Natalie Rae
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Executive Producer: Preston Lee
Creative Director: Miles Jay
Co-producer: Harland Weiss
Head of Production: Adam Litt
Director of Photography: Steve Annis
Production Designer: Scott Kuzio
Editor: Sam Ostrove
Stylists: Lucy Hawkins, Mac Huelster (Leon Bridges)
Hair & Make Up Artists: Kristen Alimena
Casting Director: Vitamin Enriched
Choreographer: Wynn Holmes
Video Commissioner: Saul Levitz

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1
Barefoot Grin  Apr 1, 2018 • 5:45:03pm

Ok, gotta give Maggie credit when it is due:

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Unabogie  Apr 1, 2018 • 5:49:25pm

re: #1 Barefoot Grin

Well, except for that stunning lack of self-awareness. She’s been trading in “access” for two years, and just looking at her embarrassing reporting on why Hope Hicks left, she’s sacrificed her ability to tell the truth as well.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 5:51:36pm

The Chinese space lab is approaching the south coast of West Africa. It should go over the Sahara, Israel, Syria, Iran or Iraq, Central Asia, and northern China next.

If China could plan this right, they could have it land in their own backyard.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 1, 2018 • 5:53:57pm

If I understand Yglesias, he’s saying that both the ‘scientific racist’ crowd and the ‘IQ tests are completely meaningless and nurture is EVERYTHING’ crowd are wrong, but the ‘scientific racism’ crowd are also BAD. That, and their whining that they’re being silenced is horseshit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 5:54:05pm
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TedStriker  Apr 1, 2018 • 5:55:23pm

re: #3 Anymouse 🌹

The Chinese space lab is approaching the south coast of West Africa. It should go over the Sahara, Israel, Syria, Iran or Iraq, Central Asia, and northern China next.

If China could plan this right, they could have it land in their own backyard.

Except for that whole “tumbling out of control” thing…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 1, 2018 • 5:56:38pm

re: #6 TedStriker

Except for that whole “tumbling out of control” thing…

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And the whole ‘Flaming Death From The Sky’ thing.

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BeachDem  Apr 1, 2018 • 5:56:52pm

Jesus Christ Superstar. Love the production. Hate the audience (wish they’d shut up during the numbers.) And WAY too many commercial breaks.

YMMV

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 5:57:02pm

re: #4 Blind Frog Belly White

If I understand Yglesias, he’s saying that both the ‘scientific racist’ crowd and the ‘IQ tests are completely meaningless and nurture is EVERYTHING’ crowd are wrong, but the ‘scientific racism’ crowd are also BAD. That, and their whining that they’re being silenced is horseshit.

Not quite, though the idea they are being silenced is crap. (That’s the whinge of Laura Ingraham’s supporters right now.)

He wrote in that tweet (emphasis mine):

so are the people who think IQ tests don’t measure anything meaningful

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Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2018 • 5:57:49pm

This song is so good. And it sounds like Leon has gotten over his tendency to sing ever-so-slightly sharp, which probably didn’t slightly annoy anyone else in the world but me.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 1, 2018 • 5:58:29pm

re: #9 Anymouse 🌹

Not quite, though the idea they are being silenced is crap. (That’s the whinge of Laura Ingraham’s supporters right now.)

He wrote in that tweet (emphasis mine):

I’m not sure how this differs from what I said.

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Skip Intro  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:00:09pm

re: #9 Anymouse 🌹

Not quite, though the idea they are being silenced is crap. (That’s the whinge of Laura Ingraham’s supporters right now.)

He wrote in that tweet (emphasis mine):

She still has her radio show. She hasn’t lost her access to broadcasting propaganda to the ignorant.

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ObserverArt  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:01:20pm

re: #4 Blind Frog Belly White

If I understand Yglesias, he’s saying that both the ‘scientific racist’ crowd and the ‘IQ tests are completely meaningless and nurture is EVERYTHING’ crowd are wrong, but the ‘scientific racism’ crowd are also BAD. That, and their whining that they’re being silenced is horseshit.

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Is a lot of this just people out looking for proof to justify what they already think?

The science is not clear, but they sure want it to be.

And I bet if it is ever made clear and it doesn’t fit their thoughts they will still think the way they do and just call the science wrong.

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William Lewis  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:02:29pm

re: #5 Anymouse 🌹

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Sucks. Hill Street Blues was one of the few non SF shows I’ve ever watched constantly. Some really high quality writing.

Hill Street Blues S01E01 Hill Street Station Pilot | Full Episode

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Archangelus  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:02:30pm

re: #7 Blind Frog Belly White

And the whole ‘Flaming Death From The Sky’ thing.

I’m still betting it crashes in Israel. Specifically, my place.
Because it’s been that kind of a week…

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Alephnaught  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:07:29pm

The cat pictures in an earlier thread made me think of the album art for Chapterhouse’s 1991 album “Whirlpool”. They’d used a picture of a sleeping cat as representing a weather storm, which was pretty much what they sounded like at the time:

Chapterhouse - Treasure

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:07:52pm

re: #8 BeachDem

Jesus Christ Superstar. Love the production. Hate the audience (wish they’d shut up during the numbers.) And WAY too many commercial breaks.

YMMV

Judas and Caiaphas are just brilliant.

John Legend is adorable as expected

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Dave In Austin  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:08:07pm
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TedStriker  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:08:08pm

re: #15 Archangelus

I’m still betting it crashes in Israel. Specifically, my place.
Because it’s been that kind of a week…

Just hope you don’t get hit with a toilet seat

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The Major  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:08:27pm

re: #3 Anymouse 🌹

Sounds like it’ll hit the Atlantic, per Auntie Beeb…

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The Major  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:09:24pm

re: #14 William Lewis

NBC owned Thursday Night in the early-mid 1980s..

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:09:54pm

Interestingly, the PRC’s space agency Website doesn’t seem to have anything about the soon-to-reënter space laboratory.

en.cmse.gov.cn

ESA has been tracking it with data provided from every nation which can do so, with the goal of improving predictions in the future.

blogs.esa.int

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:10:34pm

re: #20 The Major

Sounds like it’ll hit the Atlantic, per Auntie Beeb…

It is currently over Turkey.

heavens-above.com

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William Lewis  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:12:30pm

re: #21 The Major

NBC owned Thursday Night in the early-mid 1980s..

Yep. I remember when I saw that first episode first shown. Totally mind blown. I’d never seen TV like that. Now it’s normal - typical even - but it was the most amazing thing in 1981.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:14:24pm

re: #18 Dave In Austin

littlegreenfootballs.com

You’ll just have to get a pass and keep your papers in order. It’s a small price to pay for keeping out the Lubbockites and Odessans.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:14:33pm
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whitebeach  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:14:38pm

re: #8 BeachDem

Jesus Christ Superstar. Love the production. Hate the audience (wish they’d shut up during the numbers.) And WAY too many commercial breaks.

YMMV

I turned it off because of the commercials. A commercial break came on and ran for three or four spots. I went out on the deck and had a smoke. Came back and commercials were still running. The show finally reappeared and went through one number (good version, IMHO). Then cut back to commercials. Fuck it. If I wanted to see and hear a work of art cut into little pieces and sandwiched between ads for consumer goods, I’d watch a good movie on AMC.

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scottslemmons  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:15:06pm

Off-topic: I think “You’re a bully” is becoming the argument derailer du jour — a Facebook friend posted some screenshots of her neighborhood’s FB page where a minor/escalating argument about Snotty Kids Who Are Not Respectful Of Christian White Women already has accusations of bullying levied against people who don’t agree with the original poster.

So I guess we can look forward to Trump claiming someone on Twitter is bullying him sometime this week…

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:16:28pm

re: #23 Anymouse 🌹

The other day you asked why I was opposed to forced busing as a young man. I ran across the question later, thought to answer when I next saw you.

Parents that depend on public education for the kids pick neighborhoods to get to good schools or at least avoid the worst. They make sacrifices to make that happen. Taking that power of decision making away and imposing a social experiment like that on children combined to earn my deep and permanent opposition.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:17:28pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:18:55pm

This makes me so angry.

This guy I know is overly controlling and emotionally abusive to his wife. As in a lot of cases like this, he often makes glowing social media posts talking about how wonderful his wife and family are. He posted a surupy sweet one for Easter earlier today.

His wife is good friends with my wife and we’ve both told her how we feel about the situation but she seems convinced she can work things out with him.

I have already made clear to their kids (we live a few houses down from one another) that they can always come here for anything no matter what.

I don’t to throw myself in the middle of this thing but I hate seeing a great woman held back and treated poorly by this guy.

I guess realistically there’s not much I can do.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:21:28pm

Aw crap! China says their station re-entered the atmosphere over the South Pacific.

It missed Mar-A-Lago…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:22:06pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

I’m picturing the slime from Ghostbusters II.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:22:29pm

re: #32 Joe Bacon 🌹

Aw crap! China says their station re-entered the atmosphere over the South Pacific.

It missed Mar-A-Lago…

Doesn’t Trump have properties in Asia?

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:22:51pm

re: #29 Unshaken Defiance

The other day you asked why I was opposed to forced busing as a young man. I ran across the question later, thought to answer when I next saw you.

Parents that depend on public education for the kids pick neighborhoods to get to good schools or at least avoid the worst. They make sacrifices to make that happen. Taking that power of decision making away and imposing a social experiment like that on children combined to earn my deep and permanent opposition.

Sacrifices such as Alabama cities now seceding from county school districts so they can re-segregate?

As I noted in a discussion yesterday on a local (well, statewide) discussion group:

All sorts of methods have been tried since Brown v Board of Education (1954) to re-segregate schools in Dixie.

The first method was simply delaying implementation, which is why I went to a segregated school in K and part of 1st grade. Integration was still being fought in the Eighties in Norfolk and Virginia Beach, when I was stationed there in the Eighties.

The second method was creating Protestant parochial schools which could discriminate against anyone they wished (and guess who they discriminate against). This method is augmented today by states (and attempts by conservatives at the Federal level) to funnel tax money into school vouchers which can be used in segregated private schools.

The third method was disestablishing public school districts (used in combination with the second method). This method was used by many counties in Virginia until the Federal government stepped in to enforce the requirement to maintain public schools.

The fourth method is to cut taxes collected for public schools, running them down. The poor (more likely to be minorities) will be stuck in the sub-standard public schools while the wealthy (more likely to be whites) will shuffle their children off to private schools (see segregation of religious run schools above). When you see a referendum or a bill for a voucher programme, particularly when it is promoted by a religious organisation, that is the purpose.

The fifth method is for a city to secede from a larger school district (being used now in Alabama). For now, the city in question in the article is blocked by a Federal district court from doing so. However, there will be appeals (which have to be paid from county or state funds, which then draw more money from the public school district in legal defence).

huffingtonpost.com

I directly witnessed opposition to school integration plans in Norfolk and Virginia Beach in the Eighties. Remember Lee Atwater’s phrase: You start out saying ni-CLANG. &c &c then you start talking about school bussing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:23:24pm

re: #13 ObserverArt

Is a lot of this just people out looking for proof to justify what they already think?

The science is not clear, but they sure want it to be.

And I bet if it is ever made clear and it doesn’t fit their thoughts they will still think the way they do and just call the science wrong.

Oh, yes. Oh my, yes.

The thing that drives me, an actual Scientist, crazy is the way that pundits will blithely fasten onto something, and wave it around like it’s ABSOLUTE PROOF THEY’RE RIGHT!! Sullivan (and others) do this with a widely accepted estimate of the degree of heritability of IQ of 40-80%, claiming this proves Murray is right.

First ‘heritability’ is not JUST genetics. It’s also environment, because most children are raised by their own parents, so if a parent has a higher IQ, in part because their parents valued education, they’ll pass that on to their children.

Second, 40-80%? That’s a big fuckin’ error bar you got there. And that leaves 20-80% that ISN’T heritable.

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BeachDem  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:24:39pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

Judas and Caiaphas are just brilliant.

John Legend is adorable as expected

Poor Judas—the audience is shrieking over his every song (but he is brilliant.)

I always thought Jesus was the most meh part of the show, but Legend is doing a good job.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:26:13pm

re: #37 BeachDem

Poor Judas—the audience is shrieking over his every song (but he is brilliant.)

I always thought Jesus was the most meh part of the show, but Legend is doing a good job.

Norm Lewis is completely terrifying as Caiaphas.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:27:32pm

re: #36 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, yes. Oh my, yes.

The thing that drives me, an actual Scientist, crazy is the way that pundits will blithely fasten onto something, and wave it around like it’s ABSOLUTE PROOF THEY’RE RIGHT!! Sullivan (and others) do this with a widely accepted estimate of the degree of heritability of IQ of 40-80%, claiming this proves Murray is right.

First ‘heritability’ is not JUST genetics. It’s also environment, because most children are raised by their own parents, so if a parent has a higher IQ, in part because their parents valued education, they’ll pass that on to their children.

Second, 40-80%? That’s a big fuckin’ error bar you got there. And that leaves 20-80% that ISN’T heritable.

With one caveat: IQ does not measure education level. It is roughly the ability to solve novel problems and learn new information. The debate over heritability has been going on for over a quarter-century with no consensus as of yet.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:27:49pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:28:10pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:30:05pm

xinhuanet.com

BEIJING, April 2 (Xinhua) — Tiangong-1, China’ s experimental space lab, reentered the Earth’s atmosphere at around 8:15 a.m. on Monday, China Manned Space Engineering Office (CMSEO) said.

It re-entered in the central region of the South Pacific, the CMSEO said.

The space lab was mostly burnt up in the atmosphere, according to the monitoring and analysis of the Beijing Aerospace Control Center and relevant organizations.

(more at Xinhua News Agency)

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ObserverArt  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:31:20pm

re: #29 Unshaken Defiance

The other day you asked why I was opposed to forced busing as a young man. I ran across the question later, thought to answer when I next saw you.

Parents that depend on public education for the kids pick neighborhoods to get to good schools or at least avoid the worst. They make sacrifices to make that happen. Taking that power of decision making away and imposing a social experiment like that on children combined to earn my deep and permanent opposition.

So then people in the lesser than great neighborhoods should suffer the pain of their economics and never have their kids get a good shot of getting out of it?

That is the problem and is still a problem.

The State of Ohio was sued back in the mid 90s and found to be in the wrong on school funding and was told by the Ohio Supreme Court to fix it. And it is still messed up. The Republicans in control have kicked the can for 25 years or more.

And that didn’t even have anything to do with big city schools and busing.

It was New Lexington schools a small town in the hills of Ohio that had crumbling buildings and no tax base to do shit about it. They don’t have any good neighborhoods. It is poor all over.

Those kids suffer too?

Make you a deal. No busing. You get to stay in your neighborhood.

All schools no matter where in a state have to share the school taxes equally. No local taxes all state into a big pot to share.

Deal?

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:31:58pm

LOL, my wife:

All of this fear-mongering about stepping on Legos, nails, fungus, and hookworms is just a plot by Big Shoe, to keep us all ungrounded so that Big Lightning Rod can swoop in and make a killing.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:32:54pm

re: #35 Anymouse 🌹

The fact that anti busing can be exploited by the far right does not alter the appropriate priorities as applied to parents seeking education for the kids. Here is a crazy idea-Fix the shit schools. Then they are not a drag on the local population. Progressives at LAUSD used busing to put off fixing the heart of the problem.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:35:45pm

re: #43 ObserverArt

I don’t believe in disenfranchising parents like that period. School funding and discrimination issues can and in fact must be addressed. There are plenty of other ways.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:35:46pm
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BeachDem  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:35:56pm

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ObserverArt  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:36:31pm

re: #45 Unshaken Defiance

The fact that anti busing can be exploited by the far right does not alter the appropriate priorities as applied to parents seeking education for the kids. Here is a crazy idea-Fix the shit schools. Then they are not a drag on the local population. Progressives at LAUSD used busing to put off fixing the heart of the problem.

How would you go about the fix? Keep in mind you are dealing with humans and all their biases. There is inequality baked in.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:36:59pm

re: #48 BeachDem

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:37:55pm

re: #43 ObserverArt

All schools no matter where in a state have to share the school taxes equally. No local taxes all state into a big pot to share.

Deal?

I’m quite fine with that.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:38:37pm

Ralph Peters speaks out about Fox’s attempts to turn him into a Trump mouthpiece and why he finally left:

washingtonpost.com

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BeachDem  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:39:26pm

re: #43 ObserverArt

So then people in the lesser than great neighborhoods should suffer the pain of their economics and never have their kids get a good shot of getting out of it?

That is the problem and is still a problem.

The State of Ohio was sued back in the mid 90s and found to be in the wrong on school funding and was told by the Ohio Supreme Court to fix it. And it is still messed up. The Republicans in control have kicked the can for 25 years or more.

And that didn’t even have anything to do with big city schools and busing.

It was New Lexington schools and small town in the hills of Ohio that had crumbling buildings and no tax base to do shit about it. They don’t have any good neighborhoods. It is poor all over.

Those kids suffer too?

Make you a deal. No busing. You get to stay in your neighborhood.

All schools no matter where in a state have to share the school taxes equally. No local taxes all state into a big pot to share.

Deal?

When they started busing in Columbus public schools, I wrote up an idea about doing schools by grades, so everybody would get to stay near home at some point, and that kids would be with their same age peers—no bad influences from older kids on younger ones. It didn’t go very far…

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:39:45pm

re: #45 Unshaken Defiance

The fact that anti busing can be exploited by the far right does not alter the appropriate priorities as applied to parents seeking education for the kids. Here is a crazy idea-Fix the shit schools. Then they are not a drag on the local population. Progressives at LAUSD used busing to put off fixing the heart of the problem.

I agree, fix schools. The town in question in Alabama noted above is in a district which just built a $55 million high school. Now the town wants to secede from the school district (taking the brand-new school with it leaving the aging school to the diverse populace while keeping the brand new facility for the all-white town).

The idea of pooling all school funding money to distribute equitably amongst students seems quite a bit better than re-instituting Jim Crow under the rubric of “forced busing.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:40:05pm

Alice Cooper as King Herod coming up!

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Skip Intro  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:42:17pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

Should have been Ted Nugent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:44:25pm

LOL, laughing so hard. Alice Cooper did not disappoint.

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ObserverArt  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:45:17pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL, laughing so hard. Alice Cooper did not disappoint.

A little ham was had?

(not watching)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:46:04pm

re: #58 ObserverArt

A little ham was had?

(not watching)

SO much ham!

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meteor  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:46:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:47:32pm

Welp. More I see. It’s become an article of faith that Emma bullied Cruz. Goddamn I’m old enough to remember when wingnuts claimed kids who complained about bullying were pussies and shouldn’t complain. And here we have Emma who admits that they ostracized Cruz because he was a violent, bigoted asshole. I just want to give up with a huge segment of our population.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:48:52pm

re: #49 ObserverArt

How would you go about the fix? Keep in mind you are dealing with humans and all their biases. There is inequality baked in.

Fix The Schools. No forced busing required.
We all saw the movie Stand And deliver… Texts held back. No air conditioning and 100F+. Horrific bathrooms and careless teachers.

This is all too much like my other parent centric unpopular opinion-Home schooling. On one hand it’s how fundies screw over their kids and that’s abominable. OTOH imho it’s also how parents keep kids out of frighteningly bad schools and take on the burden themselves.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:52:07pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:54:44pm

re: #62 Unshaken Defiance

Fix The Schools. No forced busing required.
We all saw the movie Stand And deliver… Texts held back. No air conditioning and 100F+. Horrific bathrooms and careless teachers.

This is all too much like my other parent centric unpopular opinion-Home schooling. On one hand it’s how fundies screw over their kids and that’s abominable. OTOH imho it’s also how parents keep kids out of frighteningly bad schools and take on the burden themselves.

Most parents don’t have the training or knowledge to do an effective job of home schooling. If the parents have to work, that also limits their time.

The other idea discussed, that equal amounts should be spent per student throughout the state does not address the issue of poorer students actually requiring more resources to compensate for the fact that their parents are generally unable to provide real assistance to help them in their classes. Wealthier families can provide extra tutors and an educationally richer home life.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:56:08pm

re: #62 Unshaken Defiance

Stand and Deliver was a great movie.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:56:16pm

Once again wingnuts attacking Kurt Eichenwald with strobing GIFs to trigger seizures.

Of course they also are an attack on anyone else who reads his feed with epilepsy (like me).

Schmuck ought to be reported to Twitter unSafety.

Strobing GIF behind the hide bar on the schmuck’s account.

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Belafon  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:56:32pm

re: #62 Unshaken Defiance

Fix The Schools. No forced busing required.
We all saw the movie Stand And deliver… Texts held back. No air conditioning and 100F+. Horrific bathrooms and careless teachers.

This is all too much like my other parent centric unpopular opinion-Home schooling. On one hand it’s how fundies screw over their kids and that’s abominable. OTOH imho it’s also how parents keep kids out of frighteningly bad schools and take on the burden themselves.

Wouldn’t work. Even if you “fixed” the schools, guess what? The segregation remains. And, as we’ve seen time and time again, what will happen with the segregation is that people will weasel their way in and start making things less than equal because the richer places don’t want to pay for the poorer ones. I give you Texas as an example, which has in it’s state constitution that kids are supposed to receive a “free and efficient” education. It’s the segregation that causes this.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:59:10pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Welp. More I see. It’s become an article of faith that Emma bullied Cruz. Goddamn I’m old enough to remember when wingnuts claimed kids who complained about bullying were pussies and shouldn’t complain. And here we have Emma who admits that they ostracized Cruz because he was a violent, bigoted asshole. I just want to give up with a huge segment of our population.

The RW continues to spread lies about the students, include the untruth that David Hogg was not in the school at the time of the attack. They want to discredit these students to diminish their effectiveness. Of course, they are also hoping that this movement will gradually disappear out like all prior efforts this century to respond to similar attacks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:59:33pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 1, 2018 • 6:59:49pm

OH HAI HAPPY PASSOVER AND HAPPY THAT OTHER HOLIDAY THAT USUALLY COINCIDES WITH PASSOVER BUT WITH YUMMY CHOCOLATE EGGS INSTEAD OF THESE BURNT HARD BOILED ONES THAT WE EAT.

Zedushka has only had 2 hypoglycemic events so far. (Yes the EMTs came again on Saturday morning).

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:00:16pm

re: #63 GlutenFreeJesus

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Damn that looks so good!

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Citizen K  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:00:34pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Welp. More I see. It’s become an article of faith that Emma bullied Cruz. Goddamn I’m old enough to remember when wingnuts claimed kids who complained about bullying were pussies and shouldn’t complain. And here we have Emma who admits that they ostracized Cruz because he was a violent, bigoted asshole. I just want to give up with a huge segment of our population.

It’s part of the same double standard I keep falling back to: almost anything and everything said from the right-wing gets treated as gospel truth at face value, and it takes proof upon proof to ever dislodge that first impression, if it ever gets dislodged in the first place.

At some point, I’m half expecting the GOP to run literally against the Parkland kids and win on it.

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scottslemmons  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:01:01pm

re: #66 Anymouse 🌹

Once again wingnuts attacking Kurt Eichenwald with strobing GIFs to trigger seizures.

Of course they also are an attack on anyone else who reads his feed with epilepsy (like me).

Schmuck ought to be reported to Twitter unSafety.

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Strobing GIF behind the hide bar on the schmuck’s account.

Reported. I’ve gotten to where I really dislike Eichenwald, but I hope that jackass gets arrested.

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ObserverArt  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:01:04pm

re: #64 Hecuba’s daughter

Most parents don’t have the training or knowledge to do an effective job of home schooling. If the parents have to work, that also limits their time.

The other idea discussed, that equal amounts should be spent per student throughout the state does not address the issue of poorer students actually requiring more resources to compensate for the fact that their parents are generally unable to provide real assistance to help them in their classes. Wealthier families can provide extra tutors and an educationally richer home life.

Good points.

Do you want to throw in some points of how you think we can balance the needs of the students for what they need?

By the way, when you say poor students that can be taken a couple of ways. Poor economically or poor in the ability to study and learn? The second “poor students” can be in all types of neighborhoods rich, poor, Black and White.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:01:09pm

meanwhile in Kentucky:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:01:40pm

re: #68 Hecuba’s daughter

The RW continues to spread lies about the students, include the untruth that David Hogg was not in the school at the time of the attack. They want to discredit these students to diminish their effectiveness. Of course, they are also hoping that this movement will gradually disappear out like all prior efforts this century to respond to similar attacks.

Yep. Honestly it’s not even been two whole months since this shooting happened. God I’ve always been a fairly glass half full person but I really weep for where our country has gone. So many people willingly believe bullshit.

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Belafon  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:02:03pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Welp. More I see. It’s become an article of faith that Emma bullied Cruz. Goddamn I’m old enough to remember when wingnuts claimed kids who complained about bullying were pussies and shouldn’t complain. And here we have Emma who admits that they ostracized Cruz because he was a violent, bigoted asshole. I just want to give up with a huge segment of our population.

“I’m so sorry your grasp of your gun has replaced your grasp of reality, but no, Emma didn’t bully Cruz. He was the bully, and abusive, and ultimately a killer.”

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scottslemmons  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:03:08pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Welp. More I see. It’s become an article of faith that Emma bullied Cruz. Goddamn I’m old enough to remember when wingnuts claimed kids who complained about bullying were pussies and shouldn’t complain. And here we have Emma who admits that they ostracized Cruz because he was a violent, bigoted asshole. I just want to give up with a huge segment of our population.

Won’t be long before Republicans will be cheering school shootings. At least we won’t have to read the bullshit “Thoughts and prayers” tweets, but I’m not sure anyone will be well-served by Congressmen tweeting “Lol, fuck your kids, go die.” :/

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:03:53pm

re: #73 scottslemmons

Reported. I’ve gotten to where I really dislike Eichenwald, but I hope that jackass gets arrested.

Thanks … there are some things about Mr. Eichenwald I like and others I don’t, but that sort of attack is a deliberate attempt at physical harm.

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Belafon  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:05:14pm

re: #74 ObserverArt

Good points.

Do you want to throw in some points of how you think we can balance the needs of the students for what they need?

By the way, when you say poor students that can be taken a couple of ways. Poor economically or poor in the ability to study and learn? The second “poor students” can be in all types of neighborhoods rich, poor, Black and White.

As a former poor in money student who performed pretty far above average on a lot of topics and kind of average on others, they’re talking about money poor. Even for me, someone who graduated really high in my class, there were a number of things that would have been useful for me to have had, but cost money my parents didn’t, from English tutoring to help preparing for college. Had I had those things, I don’t think it would have taken me two tries to get through college.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:06:32pm

re: #74 ObserverArt

Good points.

Do you want to throw in some points of how you think we can balance the needs of the students for what they need?

By the way, when you say poor students that can be taken a couple of ways. Poor economically or poor in the ability to study and learn? The second “poor students” can be in all types of neighborhoods rich, poor, Black and White.

You are right that the term poor is ambiguous: I meant those children without financial resources whose parents also cannot help them — who provide a chaotic home life and do not know how to give them a good start on learning by reading to them.

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ObserverArt  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:06:41pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile in Kentucky:

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Has the Governor and other state Republicans called for the police to round up the teachers and force them into their classrooms yet?

Or, are they just going to refuse to pay them, not care a bit about the kids and let this run its course while they “save money” which they will call a good thing.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:07:05pm

re: #77 Belafon

“I’m so sorry your grasp of your gun has replaced your grasp of reality, but no, Emma didn’t bully Cruz. He was the bully, and abusive, and ultimately a killer.”

Also (not that I’d use it) “so you’re saying that justifies killing 17 people who weren’t Emma?”

(And gaah — we all know how often girls bully boys years older than they are. Talk about a poor grasp of reality.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:07:12pm

re: #80 Belafon

As a former poor in money student who performed pretty far above average on a lot of topics and kind of average on others, they’re talking about money poor. Even for me, someone who graduated really high in my class, there were a number of things that would have been useful for me to have had, but cost money my parents didn’t, from English tutoring to help preparing for college. Had I had those things, I don’t think it would have taken me two tries to get through college.

So you took one of the tries that I should have gotten? /s

Poverty sucks. That is all.

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Belafon  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:07:23pm

re: #73 scottslemmons

Reported. I’ve gotten to where I really dislike Eichenwald, but I hope that jackass gets arrested.

And what reasons do you have for hating Eichenwald?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:07:56pm

re: #82 ObserverArt

Has the Governor and other state Republicans called for the police to round up the teachers and force them into their classrooms yet?

Or, are they just going to refuse to pay them, not care a bit about the kids and let this run its course while they “save money” which they will call a good thing.

They had KSP on hand in an attempt to keep the teachers from entering the building Thursday to hear/watch the vote

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whitebeach  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:09:44pm

re: #49 ObserverArt

How would you go about the fix? Keep in mind you are dealing with humans and all their biases. There is inequality baked in.

There it is. For all of my student life in the segregated South, from first grade through high school graduation, I saw the results of “separate but equal.” It was bullshit then. It’s bullshit now. And don’t even get me started on the “Christian academies” that exist all across the South, and other places, to this day, where almost all the black students are athletes who have been imported from as far away as Trinidad or Africa (hello, Evangel High), while an aspiring and smart black kid with an interest in mathematics wouldn’t even be bused in.

I don’t know how to fix it. Nobody does. But a start might be ironclad redistricting that feeds both black and white neighborhoods into the same school, no busing needed. And if necessary build new schools that better fit into the new districts. Reset as needed. And cut all public funding of private “academies.”

Oh well. Maybe in my next reincarnation.

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Belafon  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:10:03pm

The stat I heard was that 29% of poor students who finish with an A in high school finish college, which is the same rate that rich students who finish with the same average as George W. Bush do. Money seriously helps the mediocre.

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scottslemmons  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:11:25pm

re: #85 Belafon

And what reasons do you have for hating Eichenwald?

I think he occasionally lets his High Dudgeon get away with him. I quit following him a month or two back when he briefly decided the alt-right “Diversity and Comx” Twitter account was An American Hero while heaping scorn on a bunch of professional comics creators warning him D&C was a known harasser.

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ObserverArt  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:12:51pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Yep. Honestly it’s not even been two whole months since this shooting happened. God I’ve always been a fairly glass half full person but I really weep for where our country has gone. So many people willingly believe bullshit.

That is what happens when a lot of pure bullshit is allowed to be in circulation.

The more available the more it is believed and it can be lazily consumed.

Someday history will show getting rid of the Fairness Doctrine and allowing Fox, Sinclair, RT and all the others was where it all went wrong.

It’s not all about the news. It is science, politics, medicine, everything. Cut standards and get glop.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:14:59pm

re: #71 Joe Bacon 🌹

Damn that looks so good!

2nd year smoking the ham in the Pit Barrel. I think I nailed it this time. I even took notes. lol

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:15:32pm

re: #88 Belafon

The stat I heard was that 29% of poor students who finish with an A in high school finish college, which is the same rate that rich students who finish with the same average as George W. Bush do. Money seriously helps the mediocre.

Well, I didn’t get to go to college (though I was my class salutatorian) due to poverty, but I did get to go to the US Navy, so push?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:15:52pm

re: #88 Belafon

The stat I heard was that 29% of poor students who finish with an A in high school finish college, which is the same rate that rich students who finish with the same average as George W. Bush do. Money seriously helps the mediocre.

It does. And it results in us not getting the best we can.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:16:54pm

re: #90 ObserverArt

That is what happens when a lot of pure bullshit is allowed to be in circulation.

The more available the more it is believed and it can be lazily consumed.

Someday history will show getting rid of the Fairness Doctrine and allowing Fox, Sinclair, RT and all the others was where it all went wrong.

It’s not all about the news. It is science, politics, medicine, everything. Cut standards and get glop.

We have at least 30% of this country that doesn’t reside anywhere near reality. They’re our relatives, friends, neighbors, co-workers, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:17:13pm

Just made myself feel really old realizing that most members of this ensemble weren’t even born when the original JCS was staged.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:17:59pm

re: #88 Belafon

The stat I heard was that 29% of poor students who finish with an A in high school finish college, which is the same rate that rich students who finish with the same average as George W. Bush do. Money seriously helps the mediocre.

Many poor students also receive a substandard education from very bad schools. Their A’s don’t show the same level of accomplishment as A’s in schools in wealthier communities. Their material is much less demanding and their teachers are often not as knowledgeable. It is unfair that these students were not offered the same level of education so that they can be be competitive.

It is also true that they often cannot afford to attend college and are instead forced to go into the work force prematurely to help their families.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:18:25pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

We have at least 30% of this country that doesn’t reside anywhere near reality. They’re our relatives, friends, neighbors, co-workers, etc.

We’ve always had them though. The difference today is an Internet that allows us an instant view into the crazy. Before we had the John Birch Society (well, they’re still around), the Know Nothings, &c.

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Interesting Times  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:21:01pm

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹

We’ve always had them though. The difference today is an Internet that allows us an instant view into the crazy them to spread their noxious bovine excrement at lighting speed to a much larger audience than they’d otherwise have.

Fixed :/

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HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:22:02pm

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹

We’ve always had them though. The difference today is an Internet that allows us an instant view into the crazy. Before we had the John Birch Society (well, they’re still around), the Know Nothings, &c.

You’re right. Just seems magnified with the internet.

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Belafon  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:23:07pm

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I didn’t get to go to college (though I was my class salutatorian) due to poverty, but I did get to go to the US Navy, so push?

I did the Navy between my attempts, which meant the state paid for my college for being a veteran.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:25:35pm

re: #100 Belafon

I did the Navy between my attempts, which meant the state paid for my college for being a veteran.

My plan was to use my military benefits for college.

That was sunk when I developed epilepsy and the VA declared me “unemployable” (before I got out of the Navy).

Turns out under the law with that designation, you cannot get college benefits nor VA retraining benefits.

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ObserverArt  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:26:11pm

re: #87 whitebeach

There it is. For all of my student life in the segregated South, from first grade through high school graduation, I saw the results of “separate but equal.” It was bullshit then. It’s bullshit now. And don’t even get me started on the “Christian academies” that exist all across the South, and other places, to this day, where almost all the black students are athletes who have been imported from as far away as Trinidad or Africa (hello, Evangel High), while an aspiring and smart black kid with an interest in mathematics wouldn’t even be bused in.

I don’t know how to fix it. Nobody does. But a start might be ironclad redistricting that feeds both black and white neighborhoods into the same school, no busing needed. And if necessary build new schools that better fit into the new districts. Reset as needed. And cut all public funding of private “academies.”

Oh well. Maybe in my next reincarnation.

That in some ways is what Columbus Public Schools is trying to do. They are working to equalize buildings and equipment. They have also made some schools specialized academies on a public school level and parents can put their kids in those schools too. There is a Girls Prep Academy (middle school ages) in my neighborhood and it has kids from all over, not just this neighborhood.

They have schools that are stronger in science, arts, vocation and work prep.

My neighbors have two kids about two grades apart in age. The boy is mildly autistic and he gets to go to a school that is strong in his needs. He gets on the bus earlier than his sister that takes him to his school. His sister gets on another later bus to a Columbus School her parents picked for her.

I’m not sure how the city works out all the logistics. But they had to do something because 15 years ago they were really struggling. The whole city system was a mess.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:27:45pm

(Dixon played Judas)

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ObserverArt  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:28:42pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

We have at least 30% of this country that doesn’t reside anywhere near reality. They’re our relatives, friends, neighbors, co-workers, etc.

Hello, is reality home?

No, it left a long time ago. Not coming back any time soon. No need.

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Belafon  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:29:45pm

I found this quote in Altered Carbon that I thought all of you might like:

The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:30:52pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:31:00pm
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freetoken  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:32:19pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

We have at least 30% of this country that doesn’t reside anywhere near reality. They’re our relatives, friends, neighbors, co-workers, etc.

They do not “reside anywhere near reality”, sure, but they do reside on Facebook, which has a dubious relationship to reality.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:33:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:38:02pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:42:37pm

re: #105 Belafon

I found this quote in Altered Carbon that I thought all of you might like:

And it relies on the connections to the processors in the brain.

One reason I learned that I was unusually observant was how I would see things that others flat-out missed.

One of my best lessons was I was when with a friend back when we were just into college. He had a white Ford Econoline. It had rust repair areas that he had in grey primer. He had one of those little pop-up vents in the rear area of the roof for air circulation. He was a fairly big guy (not fat) and had a white dude’s ‘fro. Pretty big and thick too. I’m a little more tall and narrow and my hair was longish and thick.

One day we were stopped at a traffic light and I looked ahead a couple of cars in the next lane and started to chuckle. He wondered what I was laughing at. I pointed and said “check it out.” He was looking and said “what?”

There was an identical white Ford Econoline van, white with almost identical grey paint areas. A vent on the roof and two guys in the front seats that looked very much like us.

I had to explain it to him and then he finally saw it. I thought about that for a long time and how it fit into my wanting to be in the arts. I needed to put what I saw into my art and use those observations to show people what they may not see.

Still trying!

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:50:34pm

re: #28 scottslemmons

Off-topic: I think “You’re a bully” is becoming the argument derailer du jour — a Facebook friend posted some screenshots of her neighborhood’s FB page where a minor/escalating argument about Snotty Kids Who Are Not Respectful Of Christian White Women already has accusations of bullying levied against people who don’t agree with the original poster.

So I guess we can look forward to Trump claiming someone on Twitter is bullying him sometime this week…

Because Trump NEVER bullies anyone, right?

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scottslemmons  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:53:06pm

re: #112 Patricia Kayden

Because Trump NEVER bullies anyone, right?

Like Karl Rove taught ‘em — take the other side’s strength and paint it as a weakness. Or alternately, take your weakness and claim it belongs to your enemies.

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TedStriker  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:53:19pm

re: #107 teleskiguy

Roseanne is a prime example of how hard it can be to separate the artist from the art. I mean, I loved the original run of Roseanne (at least until it got really odd with season nine) and I really want to like this go-around of it; all of the principal cast members that are still alive (RIP, Bev, Nana, and Mark) are there and looked like they’re pumped and, aside for the (really brief) overt political dialogue in the first episode, the rest of the first episode and the second episode were pretty good.

Then, Roseanne rears up her ugly head off-set on Twitter (again), that awful and obscene Heeb spread from ten years ago comes roaring back into the public eye (and rightfully so), and I am filled with dread and loathing at how much of a fucking human dumpster fire Roseanne is IRL.

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jaunte  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:53:42pm

April Poe from the Alamosa Republicans!

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scottslemmons  Apr 1, 2018 • 7:54:18pm

re: #113 scottslemmons

Like Karl Rove taught ‘em — take the other side’s strength and paint it as a weakness. Or alternately, take your weakness and claim it belongs to your enemies.

(Although I guess it’s also one of the main defenses used by bullies. “Can’t you take a joke?” and all.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:00:39pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:05:15pm

re: #66 Anymouse 🌹

Once again wingnuts attacking Kurt Eichenwald with strobing GIFs to trigger seizures.

Of course they also are an attack on anyone else who reads his feed with epilepsy (like me).

Schmuck ought to be reported to Twitter unSafety.

[Embedded content]

Strobing GIF behind the hide bar on the schmuck’s account.

I reported that ass. That makes a dozen assholes I reported on Twitter today. Now is Twitter finally going to do something or just continue giving a pass to these assholes?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:06:03pm

yep…there will at least be major awards for production

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Jay C  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:08:52pm

re: #115 jaunte

OK: I’ll admit to being stumped by this: even considering its source (Republicans) this makes so little sense, it’s like WTF? and SMH! time. Anyone care to parse it? Or should it just be let go, like most GOP “wisdom”?

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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:09:11pm

re: #114 TedStriker

Roseanne is a prime example of how hard it can be to separate the artist from the art.

I can agree wholeheartedly with this. I saw a tweet earlier today.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:09:28pm

re: #118 Joe Bacon 🌹

I reported that ass. That makes a dozen assholes I reported on Twitter today. Now is Twitter finally going to do something or just continue giving a pass to these assholes?

They’ll do nothing as long as they can make money off them. The ol’ paradox of tolerance.

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jaunte  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:10:18pm

re: #120 Jay C

I really thought it was a parody at first.

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jaunte  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:10:31pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:12:01pm

re: #120 Jay C

OK: I’ll admit to being stumped by this: even considering its source (Republicans) this makes so little sense, it’s WTF and SMH time. Anyone care to parse it? Or should it just be let go, like most GOP “wisdom”?

Best I can tell it’s a variant of the “Democratic Plantation” (their usual racist dogwhistle).

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Skip Intro  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:12:55pm

re: #124 jaunte

Ah! A new hire for the Trump press office, I see.

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jaunte  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:14:17pm

re: #126 Skip Intro

“You can’t take what I wrote or said literally or seriously unless either makes me look good.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:14:37pm

re: #88 Belafon

The stat I heard was that 29% of poor students who finish with an A in high school finish college, which is the same rate that rich students who finish with the same average as George W. Bush do. Money seriously helps the mediocre.

There were 401 kids in my high school graduating class. 80 of then went to Pitt. Only 4 of them including me graduated in 4 years. Most of them flunked out. I realized what a plus it was to have read the Great Books of the Western World in the town library. Reading the books really opened my mind.

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jaunte  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:16:23pm

The age of Trump is destroying ethos and logos, leaving us only with pathos.

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majii  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:16:30pm

re: #45 Unshaken Defiance

“The fact that anti busing can be exploited by the far right does not alter the appropriate priorities as applied to parents seeking education for the kids. Here is a crazy idea-Fix the shit schools. Then they are not a drag on the local population. Progressives at LAUSD used busing to put off fixing the heart of the problem.”

In cases like mine and my ex-husband certain things cannot be overlooked. We had the money to move into any neighborhood we wanted to move into, but when the neighbors saw that we were black, the boycotts began. I’ve shared the story here before about how all of the whites in a neighborhood cursed out the realtor who showed us the home, banded together and bought a house we wanted. This happened in the mid-1980s. They did it to keep us out, and it was all because we were black. I understand what you’re saying about your parents wanting to move into a better neighborhood with better schools to give you an advantage, but others want to do the same thing but are sometimes unable to do so. Many Americans would be surprised to learn that this kind of thing still happens to some Americans in the 21st Century, but it does.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:18:48pm

re: #128 Joe Bacon 🌹

There were 401 kids in my high school graduating class. 80 of then went to Pitt. Only 4 of them including me graduated in 4 years. Most of them flunked out. I realized what a plus it was to have read the Great Books of the Western World in the town library. Reading the books really opened my mind.

There were seventeen in my high school class. The nearest library of any sort to me was sixteen miles away. (When we were looking for a home in Nebraska, one of the reasons we settled on this little village is it has an accredited public library.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:20:54pm

My thoughts - it shouldn’t matter which school you go to. They should all be equally good. They aren’t because rich districts don’t want to share their funding with poor districts. Let’s fix that.

My other thought - Segregation is A Bad Thing, especially because it tends to disadvantage anyone not of The Default. Let’s fix that, too.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:24:18pm

re: #130 majii

It’s the problem that my wife and I frequently argue about over libertarian ideas that “the free market will sort out the bad actors without government intervention.” Jim Crow was imposed by business owners on other business owners.

“Psst, that guy rents to (those people), you don’t want to stay there.” Businesses banded together to crush anyone who opened up a business to everyone, which is why the Green Book was published (and exists again on Facebook in the XXI Century).

It’s why my mother got her children the hell out of Maryland when she found that the St. Mary’s County schools specifically segregated schools, despite Brown v Board of Education a decade before.

(Good) government is the only tool the masses have to exercise power against the powerful.

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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:26:19pm

re: #123 jaunte

We’ve got our fair share of greedy shitheels in my congressional district. The district went to Fuckface Von Clownstick 52% to Hillary’s 40% with 7% going the Jill Stein/Gary Johnson batshit way. This is a district that includes the cities of Aspen, Telluride, Vail, Crested Butte, and Steamboat Springs. Islands of blue in a sea of red, as it were.

FTR, I live smack dab between Vail and Aspen.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:28:05pm

Dudes really need to learn how to say nothing and just accept the larger fucking truth.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:30:44pm

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹

There were seventeen in my high school class. The nearest library of any sort to me was sixteen miles away. (When we were looking for a home in Nebraska, one of the reasons we settled on this little village is it has an accredited public library.)

Anymouse, I went to my home town school district’s home page and was shocked to see the massive decline in school enrollment. We had just over 400 in my graduating class. The last graduating class had only 60. But this is what happens when a mill town dies and kids leave the town for good when they get to 18. The old school had been torn down because half the rooms weren’t utilized. They used to have five grade schools in town but now there are none and the grade school merged with another one outside the district. Over 20K people lived in my town when I left in 1982. Now the population is down to less than 2500…

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:32:04pm

LOL.

The scary ideas of John Bolton sung by Michael Bolton.

John Bolton’s Terrifying Ideas Sung By Michael Bolton

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:35:37pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:36:27pm

re: #136 Joe Bacon 🌹

Anymouse, I went to my home town school district’s home page and was shocked to see the massive decline in school enrollment. We had just over 400 in my graduating class. The last graduating class had only 60. But this is what happens when a mill town dies and kids leave the town for good when they get to 18. The old school had been torn down because half the rooms weren’t utilized. They used to have five grade schools in town but now there are none and the grade school merged with another one outside the district. Over 20K people lived in my town when I left in 1982. Now the population is down to less than 2500…

You just made me look up my high school (the one I graduated from). The class sizes seem about the same there (39 a couple years ago, 14 last year).

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VegasGolfer  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:38:26pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Should I feel sorry for their situation because I’m sure the majority voted republican, and the got what they voted for.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:41:25pm

Well-known free-speech attorney Douglas Mirell is leaving the law firm he co-founded with Charles Harder, saying he feels the company’s work for clients like President Donald Trump doesn’t reflect his interest in protecting the First Amendment and that longtime clients were threatening to take their cases elsewhere.

When Harder, Mirell and Jeffrey Abrams formed Harder Mirell & Abrams in 2013, Mirell says the focus was on representing A-list clients, living and dead, in right-of-publicity cases, typically involving the use of famous names and likenesses in advertising without permission. But the veteran entertainment litigator says he never could have imagined how the firm would evolve over the next five years, and its new direction became a significant problem for him. Harder has increasingly been in the spotlight for taking on high-profile cases against media companies on behalf of clients including Trump; his wife, Melania; Harvey Weinstein; and ex-Amazon Studios chief Roy Price.

“I found myself increasingly uncomfortable with the docket of matters we were handling,” says Mirell. “They seemed irreconcilable with my core commitment to the defense of the First Amendment.”

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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:41:51pm

That picture I posted of two guys standing on the roof of their truck in the middle of the Colorado River who were rescued by my local fire department… well, that shit was real, no April Fool. Some idiots tried to drive across the river and their vehicle got completely submerged. Dumbasses. A lucky “hold my beer” event.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:42:29pm

re: #140 VegasGolfer

Should I feel sorry for their situation because I’m sure the majority voted republican, and the got what they voted for.

But they may now start seeing the light. If we want to win in the long run, we need to persuade many who voted for the other side to switch their votes. Some people can learn from their mistakes.

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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:45:41pm
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wheat-dogg  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:49:02pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

Words cannot express my glee at Kentucky’s teachers as a group standing up to the thieves in the capital. KY teachers span a wide range of political views, as anywhere, but the majority are pretty conservative (and religious). To see them standing up to the pols in Frankfort is really quite amazing. I hope people remember all this come election day, and vote those idiots out.

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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:49:30pm
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wheat-dogg  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:50:47pm

re: #146 teleskiguy

As I tweeted then, the elephant is obviously a RINO.

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majii  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:51:25pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

RE: Laura Ingraham.
I’m wondering if she’s sitting around grinning and smirking today? Something tells me that is most likely not the case since she’s lost most of the top advertisers on her program. I have zero sympathy for her.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 8:53:56pm

Charles Pierce at Esquire:

We are inching ever closer to the revelation that the actual vote totals were hacked—some very smart people are already there, by the way—and, once that happens, I don’t know where we go from there. The Republican Party already has shown it will tolerate all manner of jacking around with the franchise in pursuit of power and its benefits for the Republican donor class. But, simply, I don’t know if either party truly has the sand to face up to the possibility that a president* was installed under those circumstances.

Talk about a story nobody wants to hear. Imagine if the margin of victory in, say, Wisconsin, was a result of votes “cast” in some cubicle farm in Minsk. (more)

esquire.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 9:01:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 9:02:58pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2018 • 9:06:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 9:07:04pm
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whitebeach  Apr 1, 2018 • 9:18:25pm

re: #146 teleskiguy

Photo is fake. Check the shadows and the comments on the site where the post appears.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 9:20:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2018 • 9:21:39pm

re: #154 whitebeach

Photo is fake. Check the shadows and the comments on the site where the post appears.

Tinged by Sloof Lirpa…

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 1, 2018 • 9:23:53pm
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BigPapa  Apr 1, 2018 • 9:29:22pm

re: #134 teleskiguy

Ya ever swing by 7 Hermits Brewing?

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allegro  Apr 1, 2018 • 9:30:07pm

Spent the evening with a friend slurping wine, enjoying an herbal treat, and watching JC Superstar. WOW! There was nothing I didn’t love about it. I almost didn’t even mind a few of the (way too many) ad breaks so I could breathe again. The performances were intense.

I kept remembering when I first saw it - 1971, Peoria. I was at Bradley U and went to a production that was in a tent seating maybe 200. We sat on benches, straw scattered around the dirt floor and the very talented players and musicians often worked the whole tent. Very immersive and intimate experience. One of the best and most enjoyable theater experiences I’ve ever had. I thought this NBC production kind of captured that sense of closeness and intimacy.

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BigPapa  Apr 1, 2018 • 9:31:26pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tinged by Sloof Lirpa…

All Hail Sloof Lirpa

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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2018 • 9:41:36pm

re: #158 BigPapa

7 Hermits, Bonfire, Gore Range. Yeah, I’ve stopped by. 7 Hermits is the seven buttresses on the north side of Hardscrabble Mountain, the most prominent mountain to my east. World class mountain biking can be found on the second and third hermit, those trails are known as Second Gulch and Third Gulch. You used to be able to take dirt bikes up those trails, which resulted in bad erosion and degradation on and near the trails. It took several years of trail construction and decrees from B.L.M. to make those places what they are today, world class mountain biking trails.

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BigPapa  Apr 1, 2018 • 9:51:41pm

re: #161 teleskiguy

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ckkatz  Apr 1, 2018 • 10:00:24pm

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹

Thank you for posting this!

After a year and a half of blanket denials, I am glad that some folks are finally beginning to view this as a real possibility. To me there were way too many surprises in the results of the past election. Particlularly in rural and not very sophisticated counties.

And, as noted, the biggest question is what this portends for this coming November. And after…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 1, 2018 • 10:12:22pm

He’s not racist. He’s bipolar, and off his meds…

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Dave In Austin  Apr 1, 2018 • 10:14:47pm

re: #146 teleskiguy

Looks like it was shopped….. I hate it when that happens

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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2018 • 10:19:31pm

re: #165 Dave In Austin

Egg on my face. Oh well, I have running water to wash the goo off.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 1, 2018 • 10:54:10pm

re: #4 Blind Frog Belly White

If I understand Yglesias, he’s saying that both the ‘scientific racist’ crowd and the ‘IQ tests are completely meaningless and nurture is EVERYTHING’ crowd are wrong, but the ‘scientific racism’ crowd are also BAD. That, and their whining that they’re being silenced is horseshit.

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IQ tests measure how well a person performs on an IQ test. Those results might be related to their relative intelligence, but not directly enough to draw definitive conclusions.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 1, 2018 • 10:56:42pm

re: #29 Unshaken Defiance

The other day you asked why I was opposed to forced busing as a young man. I ran across the question later, thought to answer when I next saw you.

Parents that depend on public education for the kids pick neighborhoods to get to good schools or at least avoid the worst. They make sacrifices to make that happen. Taking that power of decision making away and imposing a social experiment like that on children combined to earn my deep and permanent opposition.

This was also at a time when Federal Housing subsidies were consistently and systematically denied to people living in majority black neighborhoods.

It was a flawed experiment, granted. But a necessary one.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 1, 2018 • 11:03:18pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Its going to be a lot of fun for me trying to get to the office in downtown Frankfort in the morning.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 1, 2018 • 11:05:45pm

re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

IQ tests measure how well a person performs on an IQ test. Those results might be related to their relative intelligence, but not directly enough to draw definitive conclusions.

Quite true, but that distinction is lost on many who want IQ tests to measure intelligence. One of my profs in graduate school used IQ tests as an example of reification — making something abstract (a score on an exam) into something real (that person’s “intelligence”). In addition, IQ tests can only measure a small section of a person’s native intelligence, and while they try to avoid it the test are inevitably culturally biased. And guess which culture is predominantly represented in IQ tests.

The Burt-Shockley-Murray school of reifying IQ tests just puts a thin scientific layer on innate prejudice and bigotry.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 1, 2018 • 11:06:19pm

re: #146 teleskiguy

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That’s amazing!

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 1, 2018 • 11:07:50pm

re: #154 whitebeach

Photo is fake. Check the shadows and the comments on the site where the post appears.

Should’ve known.

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 1, 2018 • 11:19:47pm

re: #154 whitebeach

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 1, 2018 • 11:21:10pm

re: #170 wheat-dogg

Quite true, but that distinction is lost on many who want IQ tests to measure intelligence. One of my profs in graduate school used IQ tests as an example of reification — making something abstract (a score on an exam) into something real (that person’s “intelligence”).

We will now test everybody’s athletic skill by measuring how far they can throw a shot put.

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teleskiguy  Apr 1, 2018 • 11:24:55pm

re: #171 Big Beautiful Door

Unfortunately, it’s fake.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 1, 2018 • 11:26:28pm

re: #175 teleskiguy

Unfortunately, it’s fake.

I was about to repost and then checked, because it looked like nothing I had seen or heard about before…

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Ubiq  Apr 1, 2018 • 11:32:38pm
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boredtechindenver  Apr 1, 2018 • 11:55:29pm

re: #63 GlutenFreeJesus

oooh, you got your pit barrel cooker out. I should get mine out and do some ribs or tri-tip soon.

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 2, 2018 • 12:00:27am

re: #178 boredtechindenver

oooh, you got your pit barrel cooker out. I should get mine out and do some ribs or tri-tip soon.

I have an offset cooker. I’m pretty sure my daughter said, “Get off your ass and smoke some pork shoulder!” when she gave me pork pulling rakes for Christmas.

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sagehen  Apr 2, 2018 • 12:42:50am

re: #70 The Vicious Babushka

OH HAI HAPPY PASSOVER AND HAPPY THAT OTHER HOLIDAY THAT USUALLY COINCIDES WITH PASSOVER BUT WITH YUMMY CHOCOLATE EGGS INSTEAD OF THESE BURNT HARD BOILED ONES THAT WE EAT.

Zedushka has only had 2 hypoglycemic events so far. (Yes the EMTs came again on Saturday morning).

Fuck the chocolate eggs, and fuck the Cadbury version with the sticky gooey center. It’s the chocolate-covered marshmallow rabbits that have earned my affection.

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 2, 2018 • 12:47:07am
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Dave In Austin  Apr 2, 2018 • 12:52:00am

I’ve been learning to sharpen knives freehand using the uTube method and Japanese waterstones. There is some really good stuff out there. I highly recommend this channel.

youtube.com

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wheat-dogg  Apr 2, 2018 • 12:52:03am

Did you catch the background image for bing.com on Easter?

Dozens of Purple Peeps fresh off the assembly line. Scary

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 2, 2018 • 1:05:27am

re: #182 Dave In Austin

I’ve been learning to sharpen knives freehand using the uTube method and Japanese waterstones. There is some really good stuff out there. I highly recommend this channel.

youtube.com

I’m impressed. I can barely get a good edge using a Lansky sharpening system. Freehand sharpening is way beyond me.

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Nyet  Apr 2, 2018 • 1:08:14am

re: #167 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

IQ tests measure how well a person performs on an IQ test. Those results might be related to their relative intelligence, but not directly enough to draw definitive conclusions.

IQ is a valid and good measure of cognitive skills.

Intelligence is meaningful. This principle comes closest to being universally accepted by scientific psychologists. Every clinical psychology program in the country trains students in IQ testing, tens of thousands of IQ tests are given in schools every year, and papers in mainstream scientific journals routinely include information about intelligence, even when IQ is not the main object of study. On a more basic level, who doesn’t notice that some people have larger vocabularies than others, can solve harder math problems or organize more complex projects? IQ tests reliably assess these individual differences. Moreover, people who do well on one kind of ability test also tend to do well on others, a phenomenon that is referred to as g, as in general intelligence.

vox.com

Frankly, all this mumbo-jumbo about how IQ is not real, useless etc. is the left-wing equivalent of the right-wing ideologically-motivated science denial (though admittedly the latter usually has greater consequences; but the mechanism is usually the same - “it may lead to uncomfortable things, better deny it”).

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Dave In Austin  Apr 2, 2018 • 1:50:37am

re: #184 Single-handed sailor

I’m impressed. I can barely get a good edge using a Lansky sharpening system. Freehand sharpening is way beyond me.

Buy a 1000/6000 King Waterstone ($30) or just the King1000 ($22) on Amazon. Go to Goodwill and ask to see their knife box for CHEAP kitchen blades (You might find a gem)
Most people over think angle and strokes. The knife will tell you. It’s all about dragging out a burr on one side of the primary edge and then the other, It’s VERY tactile. Muscle memory takes over very quickly and if you screw up, you have more blades to work on or start over.
I found an old forged Case XX butcher at goodwill yesterday like the one in the photo. I sharpened it tonite at work and shaved confetti into my buddy’s office. I told him he could have the knife. It’ll be a good hog cutter.

Oh yeah. I have shaved spots all over my arms from testing edges. I got to knock that shit off.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 2, 2018 • 1:56:20am

I also might add that the Thrift stores are an untapped resource for higher end filet knives, and if you fish like I do, it’s bonus time.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 2, 2018 • 2:02:07am

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just made myself feel really old realizing that most members of this ensemble weren’t even born when the original JCS was staged.

The original album is from 1970 - the year after I was born.

Damn. Now I feel old too, LOL.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 2, 2018 • 2:14:17am

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹

Charles Pierce at Esquire:

We are inching ever closer to the revelation that the actual vote totals were hacked—some very smart people are already there, by the way—and, once that happens, I don’t know where we go from there. The Republican Party already has shown it will tolerate all manner of jacking around with the franchise in pursuit of power and its benefits for the Republican donor class. But, simply, I don’t know if either party truly has the sand to face up to the possibility that a president* was installed under those circumstances.

Talk about a story nobody wants to hear. Imagine if the margin of victory in, say, Wisconsin, was a result of votes “cast” in some cubicle farm in Minsk. (more)

esquire.com

Then we (the USA) has a very serious conundrum on its hands. It would mean that the results of the 2016 Election were fraudulent owing to foreign manipulation and that Trump is, in fact, an illegitimate POTUS, as he is only in his position owing to the said foreign manipulation.

And there’s no provision in the Constitution - or anywhere else, for that matter - to do anything about it. How do we nullify an entire nationwide election for the highest office in the land?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 3:12:06am
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Dave In Austin  Apr 2, 2018 • 3:30:45am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 3:32:22am

re: #185 Nyet

IQ is a valid and good measure of cognitive skills.

vox.com

Frankly, all this mumbo-jumbo about how IQ is not real, useless etc. is the left-wing equivalent of the right-wing ideologically-motivated science denial (though admittedly the latter usually has greater consequences; but the mechanism is usually the same - “it may lead to uncomfortable things, better deny it”).

It is a valid relative measure of certain skills, yes. But not necessarily of overall intelligence, including social skills or orientation skills. One can derive certain conclusions from it but not use it as a means to determine that a particular race or group of people is inherently more “intelligent” than another

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 3:47:40am

re: #188 Dr Lizardo

The original album is from 1970 - the year after I was born.

Damn. Now I feel old too, LOL.

I was eleven.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:01:13am

re: #185 Nyet

The main problem in the USA (since I cannot speak of the situation elsewhere) is the assumption by the right wingers and racists that IQ (which they say = intelligence) is predominantly determined by genetics, with the corollary being “some races are less intelligent than others, and we should just accept that.” The left wing meanwhile argues that IQ test scores also result from environmental and other non-genetic factors, and refute the RW argument that IQ (aka intelligence) is race-based. IQ scores are used as a kind of “proof” that certain genetics or certain environments are better than others, largely by people who have no background in psychology or even education, and who prefer to ignore the limitations of the tests.

Psychologists use IQ tests as diagnostic tools, and not necessarily as predictive measurements, AFAIK. They would not subscribe (I hope) to the simplistic argument that genetics determines IQ or that environment does, but would rather argue that “nature and nurture” are both involved in very complex ways, and it would be difficult to isolate one particular factor as a determiner of intelligence and/or a score on an IQ test.

Within American education, IQ tests at one time were used to track students, with high scorers tracked toward college prep and lower scorers tracked in vocational-technical curricula. Meanwhile, the typically lower scores among African-Americans were used as an excuse to keep them out of college prep classes, because educators believed in the predictive power of IQ tests and assumed such students would fail in college. Tracking was discarded by the 1970s, and nearly every student is now supposedly groomed for college — a policy I’m not sure I completely agree with — regardless of their IQ scores, though they may be divided into academic tracks (AP, honors, remedial and so on) that are as hard to break out of as the old college/vocational tracks were. And within those academic tracks, you will find relatively few African-American and Hispanic students assigned to AP and honors classes, because once again educators believe in the predictive power of intelligence testing.

IQ tests have been used as a bludgeon for decades to keep certain kinds of people — mostly PoC — away from other kinds of people — whites and to a lesser extent Asians — in classrooms. Further, those who want to keep the races separate and unequal, or want to justify unequal treatment of ethnic groups, or explain certain kinds of behavior by such groups use IQ test scores, as evidence for their claims.

The Bell Curve is the latest example of this extension of IQ tests from a psychological measurement to a broad determiner of public policy. Murray and his co-author do a credible job in the first half of the book explaining the scientific and statistical aspects of IQ tests, but then go off the rails into speculating how IQ scores determine a broad range of social, political and economic problems. The main conclusion is basically PoC will *always* score lower on IQ tests, therefore they are less intelligent, and therefore any (liberal) attempts to better their condition are doomed to fail. Needless to say, this conclusion sits very well among certain segments of the population who would like to justify their privileged positions.

So, yes, IQ tests are a useful diagnostic tool within psychology and provide doctors, families and schools with clues on how to raise and educate their kids. Past that point, their usefulness ends.

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Nyet  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:03:58am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:07:44am

re: #195 wheat-dogg

Psychologists use IQ tests as diagnostic tools, and not necessarily as predictive measurements, AFAIK. They would not subscribe (I hope) to the simplistic argument that genetics determines IQ or that environment does, but would rather argue that “nature and nurture” are both involved in very complex ways, and it would be difficult to isolate one particular factor as a determiner of intelligence and/or a score on an IQ test.

Within American education, IQ tests at one time were used to track students, with high scorers tracked toward college prep and lower scorers tracked in vocational-technical curricula.

So, yes, IQ tests are a useful diagnostic tool within psychology and provide doctors, families and schools with clues on how to raise and educate their kids. Past that point, their usefulness ends.

You made my point more thoroughly than I did (obviously, since your race displays higher IQ scores than mine).

But seriously,

IQ tests are useful for determining what potentials an individual displays in order to better develop them, but the leap from using the IQ scores of a group of people as a predictive or determinative factor for that group is poorly founded.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:11:11am

re: #197 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You made my point more thoroughly than I did (obviously, since your race displays higher IQ scores than mine).

But seriously,

IQ tests are useful for determining what potentials an individual displays in order to better develop them, but the leap from using the IQ scores of a group of people as a predictive or determinative factor for that group is poorly founded bullshit.

FTFY

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Weaselone  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:17:40am

re: #185 Nyet

I’m having difficulty taking an article about IQ seriously when it’s direct appeal to the gut about the validity of the measure is vocabulary, ability to solve math problems and organization, all of which are to a high degree aquired, not inherent skills.

Also, suggesting that IQ is flawed is not the same as stating it to be useless.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:22:12am

I would also reiterate my point that IQ tests may measure cognitive abilities, but they do not measure other abilities (sometimes called intelligences) at all. I went to an Ivy League university, where there were many people with high IQ scores, but in some ways were frightfully stupid. One such graduate is Andy Schlafly, the purveyor of Conservapedia, who is so obtuse in many subjects that one has to wonder how he gets dressed in the morning. (I was contemporary with his sister Liza, not with Andy.)

IQ tests similarly do not measure musical or artistic abilities, creativity, social skills, “common sense,” and a host of other factors necessary for success in life. They do however aid in assessing academic achievement and designing individualized education programs (IEPs) — IOW, school stuff.

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Nyet  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:22:46am

re: #199 Weaselone

I’m having difficulty taking an article about IQ seriously when it’s direct appeal to the gut about the validity of the measure is vocabulary, ability to solve math problems and organization, all of which are to a high degree aquired, not inherent skills.

Also, suggesting that IQ is flawed is not the same as stating it to be useless.

Because it’s an article for laymen (nevertheless by the top experts in the field).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:24:32am

An analogy is that one can test individual athletic skills, which include various and sometimes mutually exclusive skills ranging from weight lifting through activities such as sprinting, swimming to distance running, etc., and measure those objectively, but it is all but impossible to objectively test for one’s ability to contribute to a team sport.

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Nyet  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:25:12am

re: #200 wheat-dogg

Basically, they’re correlated with one’s ability to deal with abstract problems.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:27:25am

re: #195 wheat-dogg

Very well said. Whenever I read about IQ discussions, they always devolve into Whites > Blacks. Seems like IQ is a shorthand for White Supremacists as if anyone could argue with a straight face that President Obama(or even Michelle) are dumber than the current White House occupant.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:28:27am

re: #203 Nyet

Basically, they’re correlated with one’s ability to deal with abstract problems.

Yes, I understand that. Correlation is not necessarily causation, though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:29:56am

re: #205 wheat-dogg

Yes, I understand that. Correlation is not necessarily causation, though.

and again, using such tests to assist in aiding or educating an individual is a different matter than using them as a reason for doing things involving entire groups

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Nyet  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:32:20am

re: #205 wheat-dogg

Yes, I understand that. Correlation is not necessarily causation, though.

It’s a measurement, not a causation.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:33:48am

re: #207 Nyet

It’s a measurement, not a causation.

Again, I know that, but people like Charles Murray ignore these details.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:36:17am

re: #206 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and again, using such tests to assist in aiding or educating an individual is a different matter than using them as a reason for doing things involving entire groups

Doing things with entire groups appears to be the objective of Murrayand his ilk. I remember Phillip Rushton from my undergrad days causing a stir with some nonsensical argument about the larger the genitalia, the smaller the brain. He was a bit creative though since he argued that Asians > Whites > Blacks.

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Nyet  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:43:15am

Somewhat related.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 4:51:42am

re: #210 Nyet

Somewhat related.

A buddy of mine advanced a similar argument once (the same fellow who believes that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a valid historical source)

It was the last political discussion I held with him.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2018 • 5:04:48am

re: #189 Dr Lizardo

Then we (the USA) has a very serious conundrum on its hands. It would mean that the results of the 2016 Election were fraudulent owing to foreign manipulation and that Trump is, in fact, an illegitimate POTUS, as he is only in his position owing to the said foreign manipulation.

And there’s no provision in the Constitution - or anywhere else, for that matter - to do anything about it. How do we nullify an entire nationwide election for the highest office in the land?

The goalposts would simply move, as they have since the first moment our intel services said Russia had meddled in our election. Remember when the talking point was “There’s no evidence Russia meddled in our elections!”

Then it became “There’s no proof that they were attempting to influence the results!”

After that was “There’s no proof that they were trying to hack the votes!”

So if we woke up tomorrow and there was a major news report announcing that the government had evidence that electronic vote tallies in a single precinct were hacked, the goalposts would move again. My guess would be “There’s no proof that enough votes were changed to alter the results!”

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fern01  Apr 2, 2018 • 5:30:37am

re: #2 Unabogie

Well, except for that stunning lack of self-awareness. She’s been trading in “access” for two years, and just looking at her embarrassing reporting on why Hope Hicks left, she’s sacrificed her ability to tell the truth as well.

After the Hope Hicks epic she seems to have seen the writing on the wall - or maybe she just didn’t get the access she was expecting. Everyone is talking about the Sinclair staff parroting trump & the Kushner speak is online for anyone to find - maggie deserves no credit. Like the morning joe, she hits the anti trump AFTER pulling him into the White House.

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jeffreyw  Apr 2, 2018 • 5:39:10am

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Good morning!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 2, 2018 • 5:41:52am

OK, looking at the calendar—9 weeks to go to Memorial Day.

We need to have a holiday between President’s Day and Memorial Day—Jefferson’s Birthday is April 13th…Oh do I feel like starting a movement to make that a holiday…

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fern01  Apr 2, 2018 • 5:42:02am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

I’m old enough to remember when wingnuts claimed kids who complained about bullying were pussies and shouldn’t complain.

I’m old enough to remember when a president committing adultery was a reason for impeachment - and a wife who stayed with him was disgusting.

Wingnuts change their views on everything to suit their current ideas. Family values went out the door when President Obama was elected. Bare arms are back in favor now they have a white president*. Of course they are anti bullying if a RWNJ is upset because he is called on his actions.

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 5:42:08am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 2, 2018 • 5:44:10am

re: #216 fern01

I’m old enough to remember when a president committing adultery was a reason for impeachment - and a wife who stayed with him was disgusting.

Wingnuts change their views on everything to suit their current ideas. Family values went out the door when President Obama was elected. Bare arms are back in favor now they have a white president*. Of course they are anti bullying if a RWNJ is upset because he is called on his actions.

It’s the partisanship created by the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine. Republicans can do no wrong. It’s echoed constantly from the TV to radio to newspapers to the pulpit—Just like the Communist Party did in the Soviet Union…

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fern01  Apr 2, 2018 • 5:47:15am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Yep. Honestly it’s not even been two whole months since this shooting happened. God I’ve always been a fairly glass half full person but I really weep for where our country has gone. So many people willingly believe bullshit.

One of the good things about the RW attacks - it is keeping the shooting in the news. I don’t think it took a month for the LV shooting to be out of the news and near forgotten. The students are standing their ground and doing a wonderful job of keeping guns in the news. I just hope it doesn’t cause them irreparable psychological damage - which is the aim of the gun lobby.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 5:48:19am

re: #219 fern01

One of the good things about the RW attacks - it is keeping the shooting in the news. I don’t think it took a month for the LV shooting to be out of the news and near forgotten. The students are standing their ground and doing a wonderful job of keeping guns in the news. I just hope it doesn’t cause them irreparable psychological damage - which is the aim of the gun lobby.

The students have put a sympathetic human face on the issue of gun violence in the US, more so than after any other similar tragedy.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 2, 2018 • 5:51:15am

The latest from Tom Tomorrow and it leaves me in stitches!

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wheat-dogg  Apr 2, 2018 • 5:51:32am

re: #213 fern01

After the Hope Hicks epic she seems to have seen the writing on the wall - or maybe she just didn’t get the access she was expecting. Everyone is talking about the Sinclair staff parroting trump & the Kushner speak is online for anyone to find - maggie deserves no credit. Like the morning joe, she hits the anti trump AFTER pulling him into the White House.

I’m not an expert on the professional life of Maggie H, but my cursory examination of her career to date does not impress me as a former journalist. Yes, she has covered City Hall in New York, which one would assume had taught her something about the rough-and-tumble world of politics and the ability of politicians to ingratiate themselves with reporters seeking access by giving them just enough access to avoid an embarrassing coverage or questions down the road. Then she moved to Politico (oh boy) and then CNN and the Times. She’s 44 and has had a pretty meteoric rise in a 20-year career.

But there’s something missing. She’s not nearly cynical enough. She’s not apparently aware that she’s been hoodwinked by the very people she’s trying to cover. She seems still very naive for a 40-something reporter. Maybe it’s her privileged background that prevents her from seeing the seedy side of politics and how people like Trump manipulate her.

Compare her career with that of Helen Thomas, the daughter of immigrants who started as a copygirl and worked her way to be UPI’s White House correspondent. Thomas had no patience for White House bullshitting, and I doubt she would be as fawning as Maggie has with Trump. Thomas pissed off plenty of people, I am quite sure, but somehow she managed to maintain “access” by playing rough-and-tumble politics with the politicians, and earning their respect even if the begrudging kind.

Today’s “journalists” appear to want their cake and eat it too — to be nice to the politicians in hope of someone giving them some scoop or in hope of being anointed as some kind of oracle of the White House. Old school journalists expected nothing of the kind. They knew they had to play the same game as the politicians in order to do their job.

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fern01  Apr 2, 2018 • 5:55:43am

re: #120 Jay C

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OK: I’ll admit to being stumped by this: even considering its source (Republicans) this makes so little sense, it’s like WTF? and SMH! time. Anyone care to parse it? Or should it just be let go, like most GOP “wisdom”?

It seems to highlight that republicans have lost all semblance of Christianity. Being Easter and all.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2018 • 5:58:24am

re: #220 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The students have put a sympathetic human face on the issue of gun violence in the US, more so than after any other similar tragedy.

It’s more than that, they’re a sympathetic face that is speaking on their own behalf, not on behalf of the victims who the NRA can then spin as somehow being “victimized” by gun control advocates. They’re providing a very positive contrast to the NRA’s spokeswoman and the talking heads in the far-right media, who are united in the effort to present these teens as “too dumb” to realize they’re being “used” by gun control advocates. At least that’s the least disgusting of their talking points.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:03:30am

re: #224 Targetpractice

It’s more than that, they’re a sympathetic face that is speaking on their own behalf, not on behalf of the victims who the NRA can then spin as somehow being “victimized” by gun control advocates. They’re providing a very positive contrast to the NRA’s spokeswoman and the talking heads in the far-right media, who are united in the effort to present these teens as “too dumb” to realize they’re being “used” by gun control advocates. At least that’s the least disgusting of their talking points.

The NRA cannot get over the fact that their tried-and-true tactics of attack, vilify and defame are not working on these kids, in fact they are starting to backfire badly.

Because these kids are more media-savvy than the NRA and even the Democratic Party when it comes to getting their message out, which is not one of political expediency, it is a matter of personal survival.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:08:40am

re: #189 Dr Lizardo

Then we (the USA) has a very serious conundrum on its hands. It would mean that the results of the 2016 Election were fraudulent owing to foreign manipulation and that Trump is, in fact, an illegitimate POTUS, as he is only in his position owing to the said foreign manipulation.

And there’s no provision in the Constitution - or anywhere else, for that matter - to do anything about it. How do we nullify an entire nationwide election for the highest office in the land?

Impeachment is the only option, other than waiting for the next election.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:10:33am

re: #225 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The NRA cannot get over the fact that their tried-and-true tactics of attack, vilify and defame are not working on these kids, in fact they are starting to backfire badly.

Because these kids are more media-savvy than the NRA and even the Democratic Party when it comes to getting their message out, which is not one of political expediency, it is a matter of personal survival.

As we saw this past week, the NRA and their meat puppets don’t know how to handle a situation where they have full control over the release of information. 10 years ago, Laura would have been able to avoid this shit by simply making her remarks on-air, knowing that David’s only recourse would be either finding another reporter willing to give airtime or posting on a blog or BBS and hoping that enough people saw it for the boycott to gain teeth.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:12:41am

re: #226 Big Beautiful Door

Impeachment is the only option, other than waiting for the next election.

In the event that it became public knowledge that Trump was president due to Russia hacking (i.e. vote tallies altered), the most likely “compromise” would be to demand his immediate resignation. Because the GOP would still fight against impeachment by arguing that he was totally in the dark about Russian efforts to change votes.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:14:00am

re: #227 Targetpractice

As we saw this past week, the NRA and their meat puppets don’t know how to handle a situation where they have full control over the release of information. 10 years ago, Laura would have been able to avoid this shit by simply making her remarks on-air, knowing that David’s only recourse would be either finding another reporter willing to give airtime or posting on a blog or BBS and hoping that enough people saw it for the boycott to gain teeth.

Laura and the other RW talking heads are at a distinct disadvantage here, because they have not internalized social media as the high school students have. Laura is still stuck in the old days of broadcast media and limited public access to mass communication channels. She probably had no expectation that David’s retort would have such far-reaching consequences for her in so short a time.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:14:02am

The thing is it’s not like she doesn’t have a history. In fact she made the Lebron shut up and dribble comment just recently. So free peach advocates, why doesn’t Lebron have the right to speak out? Why didn’t Colin Kaepernick? Don’t tell me Laura’s being censored when you were fine with her thinking athletes should not talk.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:15:39am

I think people are seeing how ugly the NRA is to those who don’t think like them. We’ve known this here for some time but I really think many voters naively thought this was their father and grandfather’s NRA.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:22:04am

re: #229 wheat-dogg

Laura and the other RW talking heads are at a distinct disadvantage here, because they have not internalized social media as the high school students have. Laura is still stuck in the old days of broadcast media and limited public access to mass communication channels. She probably had no expectation that David’s retort would have such far-reaching consequences for her in so short a time.

But they do have this going for them:

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:23:14am

re: #229 wheat-dogg

Laura and the other RW talking heads are at a distinct disadvantage here, because they have not internalized social media as the high school students have. Laura is still stuck in the old days of broadcast media and limited public access to mass communication channels. She probably had no expectation that David’s retort would have such far-reaching consequences for her in so short a time.

I really found myself just marveling that as much as we may declare Twitter a wretched hive of scum and villainy, it has become a powerful tool against the entrenched system of broadcast media and the dead-tree media, both of whom once used to be the gatekeepers who decided what information the public would be appraised of in “real time.” It really says a lot when we stop and consider how major historical events in just the past two generations might have played out differently if Twitter had been available.

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fern01  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:24:57am

re: #222 wheat-dogg

But there’s something missing. She’s not nearly cynical enough. She’s not apparently aware that she’s been hoodwinked by the very people she’s trying to cover. She seems still very naive for a 40-something reporter. Maybe it’s her privileged background that prevents her from seeing the seedy side of politics and how people like Trump manipulate her.

….

Today’s “journalists” appear to want their cake and eat it too — to be nice to the politicians in hope of someone giving them some scoop or in hope of being anointed as some kind of oracle of the White House. Old school journalists expected nothing of the kind. They knew they had to play the same game as the politicians in order to do their job.

Appreciate your take on Maggie - she does no analysis - comes up with a pithy statement - the end.

The journalists of today - see a need to give “both sides” the time of day. They are unable or not interested in realizing that one side is B.S. and truth does have a liberal leaning. Major outlets keep employing people to push the RW line - even if they know it is all lies. Wapo & MSNBC are prime examples. Today journalist jobs are much harder to get and retain - perhaps this is the reason why people act like Maggie - it keeps their job.

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fern01  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:27:01am

re: #228 Targetpractice

In the event that it became public knowledge that Trump was president due to Russia hacking (i.e. vote tallies altered), the most likely “compromise” would be to demand his immediate resignation. Because the GOP would still fight against impeachment by arguing that he was totally in the dark about Russian efforts to change votes.

And do you really think trump would resign - given that the GOP are unwilling to impeach?
“Fake News” would reach a crescendo.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:28:45am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

The thing is it’s not like she doesn’t have a history. In fact she made the Lebron shut up and dribble comment just recently. So free peach advocates, why doesn’t Lebron have the right to speak out? Why didn’t Colin Kaepernick? Don’t tell me Laura’s being censored when you were fine with her thinking athletes should not talk.

Amen!! The hypocrisy is strong. They want speech without consequences. They also want to limit who exercises their free speech rights.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:32:01am

re: #234 fern01

Appreciate your take on Maggie - she does no analysis - comes up with a pithy statement - the end.

The journalists of today - see a need to give “both sides” the time of day. They are unable or not interested in realizing that one side is B.S. and truth does have a liberal leaning. Major outlets keep employing people to push the RW line - even if they know it is all lies. Wapo & MSNBC are prime examples. Today journalist jobs are much harder to get and retain - perhaps this is the reason why people act like Maggie - it keeps their job.

I saw an opinion piece earlier that really explained why women like Maggie still find ready employment and guys like Kevin Williamson find editorial boards willing to hire them: the press remains in total denial of what the political landscape has become. They largely appeal to a slowly shrinking base of “intellectuals” who are convinced that men like Trump in American politics are an aberration and the two major parties in fact are run by competent men whose politics meet in a nebulous “middle” where compromise and governing can occur. Much like Dubya and the virulently racist “Tea Party” Republicans, the press rooms of America remain in total denial that one political party lost their fucking marbles and not only haven’t regained them, they actually believe it’s a mark of pride that they’re not making the effort to do so.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:32:04am

re: #221 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hilarious, although he’s not that far off with Trump’s actual speech pattern.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:36:08am

re: #235 fern01

And do you really think trump would resign - given that the GOP are unwilling to impeach?
“Fake News” would reach a crescendo.

I remain convinced Trump is going to end up quitting, because presidenting is not as “fun” for him as he thought it would be. He wants to be a CEO of United States, Inc. and we see that in his recent efforts to wrestle control away from the traditional organs of the executive branch and concentrate them in his tiny little fists. If strong evidence comes out that his presidency might be illegitimate, he’d quit just to insist that he was a “winner” and rant that he’s “too good” for the job.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:36:23am

Feel good story anyone? Frantic family is relieved after child falls through roof of old building in Griffith park into sewage pipe system. The story below does not yet have the breaking good news of the kid being found by city sanitation workers.
latimes.com

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:37:59am

re: #216 fern01

I’m old enough to remember when a president committing adultery was a reason for impeachment - and a wife who stayed with him was disgusting.

Wingnuts change their views on everything to suit their current ideas. Family values went out the door when President Obama was elected. Bare arms are back in favor now they have a white president*. Of course they are anti bullying if a RWNJ is upset because he is called on his actions.

Morning!

They don’t just change their views. Sometimes they make them up.

How much of Trump’s complete fabrications did/do they accept no questions asked?

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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:41:58am

Good Morning, Lizards.

It’s snowing like hell here! It looks like we’ve got about 3” on the ground and it’s showing no sign of slowing down. The saving grace is that it’s that heavy, wet snow which doesn’t seem to hang around for too long.

Still. Snow after Easter. Bah.

How’s things everywhere else in the world? Did they pinpoint where the Chinese sat came down?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:44:30am

oh boy, is he ever upset this morning!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:45:10am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:45:39am

and STILL a moron:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:47:45am

Gah.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:48:28am

re: #178 boredtechindenver

oooh, you got your pit barrel cooker out. I should get mine out and do some ribs or tri-tip soon.

Yeah I did! It’s never too cold or snowy here in Chicago to do that. I love this thing. :D

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:48:30am
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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:50:00am

re: #229 wheat-dogg

Laura and the other RW talking heads are at a distinct disadvantage here, because they have not internalized social media as the high school students have. Laura is still stuck in the old days of broadcast media and limited public access to mass communication channels. She probably had no expectation that David’s retort would have such far-reaching consequences for her in so short a time.

So she wasn’t paying attention to Hannity losing a bunch of advertisers, or Limbaugh?

She needs to crawl out of her bubble.

I think she is just too arrogant to think anyone would challenge her. And when it was a student still in high school that rocked her because kids should be seen and not heard.

I still hope the messages get to the Murdoch sons. They are the ones who suffer the lower ad revenues. They better be prepared for the future because the younger generations are not going to be watching. They aren’t now and nothing Fox News does is going to bring them outside of complete change. Time is running out.

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darthstar  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:50:24am

Trump’s attacks on Amazon explained.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:50:37am

This is our President? Bah at least Nixon had enough political smarts to do his incessant whining behind closed doors.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:51:44am

re: #251 darthstar

Trump’s attacks on Amazon explained.

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Makes sense. Knew it was more than just Bezos owning the Post.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:52:31am

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹

Charles Pierce at Esquire:

We are inching ever closer to the revelation that the actual vote totals were hacked—some very smart people are already there, by the way—and, once that happens, I don’t know where we go from there. The Republican Party already has shown it will tolerate all manner of jacking around with the franchise in pursuit of power and its benefits for the Republican donor class. But, simply, I don’t know if either party truly has the sand to face up to the possibility that a president* was installed under those circumstances.

Talk about a story nobody wants to hear. Imagine if the margin of victory in, say, Wisconsin, was a result of votes “cast” in some cubicle farm in Minsk. (more)

esquire.com

I think it’s far more likely that the Russians expanded on what Republicans have been doing for years: playing with the voter rolls and disenfranchising legitimate voters. There is no way to correct for that for past elections; only for future elections.

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:53:32am

re: #205 wheat-dogg

Yes, I understand that. Correlation is not necessarily causation, though.

That’s pretty obvious. Getting a score of 100 doesn’t mean you’ve gained the ability to suddenly solve abstract problems as good as the average person. But, in a measure of the ability to solve abstract problems, a 100 means you’re as good at it as the average person.

IQ is a measure of a particular aspect of intelligence. No, it really isn’t all of intelligence, especially when what you need is the ability to empathize.

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:55:02am

re: #251 darthstar

Trump is causing his own property values to implode.

People don’t want to buy into his properties. His very name is devalued in NYC. He owns older buildings that are gold plated crap as compared to the newest skyscrapers that are not only taller and more prestigeous, but are far more tastefully designed with modern aesthetic.

Trump tower isn’t a premier property. There’s a half dozen towers on Billionaire’s Row (57th Street) that have more cachet.

There’s the Robert AM Stern building in Lower Manhattan that is one of the new generation of residential/commercial hotels with superluxury appointments.

Trump’s left in the cold - mostly because he can’t afford to build new himself. He’s stuck having to plaster his name on other projects and with his name synonymous with a dumpster fire, it’s not going to happen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:57:54am
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darthstar  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:58:19am

re: #256 lawhawk

I’m okay with this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 6:59:06am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:04:06am
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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:05:00am

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

He can’t keep track of his own bullshit.

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:06:17am

re: #237 Targetpractice

I saw an opinion piece earlier that really explained why women like Maggie still find ready employment and guys like Kevin Williamson find editorial boards willing to hire them: the press remains in total denial of what the political landscape has become. They largely appeal to a slowly shrinking base of “intellectuals” who are convinced that men like Trump in American politics are an aberration and the two major parties in fact are run by competent men whose politics meet in a nebulous “middle” where compromise and governing can occur. Much like Dubya and the virulently racist “Tea Party” Republicans, the press rooms of America remain in total denial that one political party lost their fucking marbles and not only haven’t regained them, they actually believe it’s a mark of pride that they’re not making the effort to do so.

The other day conservative Nicole Wallace had a panel on her MSNBC show made up of conservatives and liberals and the show started out talking about the Ingraham and Hogg back and forth. Then the whole show turned into a complete Fox News bash fest with everyone agreeing Fox is a problem.

There may be some hope yet. There are conservatives that realize their plight. None of them are currently in office is the problem and if there are a couple old time moderate Republicans they are operating undercover.

The problem overall in America is no one is taking a tough righteous stand.

And then along comes the Parkland Fla. students.

Their wagon is big and has plenty of room to jump on and it seems powerful enough for others to attach theirs to it and all head out to fix this mess.

And I can only speak for my own view. I didn’t like the idea of Nicole Wallace having a show on MSNBC. I have been pleasantly surprised and now try to catch her show because she is a conservative, but she seems to have her head on straight and runs a pretty good and informative show. She is not kind to the current state of the G.O.P.

If I would have said I will never watch her, she’s one of those, I would have missed out on some pretty good debate and reporting. She is much better than Chuck Todd. And Ari Melber is great IMO. So poor Chuck Todd is caught in the middle and I can easily go right past him. I bet their rating even show that, but I don’t know, just a feeling.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:08:09am
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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:09:18am

re: #242 makeitstop

Good Morning, Lizards.

It’s snowing like hell here! It looks like we’ve got about 3” on the ground and it’s showing no sign of slowing down. The saving grace is that it’s that heavy, wet snow which doesn’t seem to hang around for too long.

Still. Snow after Easter. Bah.

How’s things everywhere else in the world? Did they pinpoint where the Chinese sat came down?

We had probably 2” of really wet snow. It is about 38° right now and it is already going away.

But…75° predicted for tomorrow and then bad storms coming in tomorrow night. Wheeee! Spring…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:10:37am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:12:56am

re: #242 makeitstop

Good Morning, Lizards.

It’s snowing like hell here! It looks like we’ve got about 3” on the ground and it’s showing no sign of slowing down. The saving grace is that it’s that heavy, wet snow which doesn’t seem to hang around for too long.

Still. Snow after Easter. Bah.

How’s things everywhere else in the world? Did they pinpoint where the Chinese sat came down?

We woke up to 6” of snow on the ground (in Wilkes-Barre, PA).

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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:13:43am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Making you pay to quit. That’s some devious shit, right there.

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:15:16am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sounds like Trump wants to overturn Quill (not that he knows what the fuck that is).

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:15:38am

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh boy, is he ever upset this morning!

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He has sprung a leak and is losing it.

I really do think the pressure is getting to him. He tries to bluff it, but he looks terrible. I expect him to lash out even more. Tweet bombs all this week.

I hope he gets to the point where the Republicans can no longer hide from the very noticeable issues he has and is creating for conservatives.

Ignoring it is to the GOP detriment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:19:21am

re: #265 Backwoods_Sleuth

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:20:04am
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wheat-dogg  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:22:44am

re: #237 Targetpractice

I saw an opinion piece earlier that really explained why women like Maggie still find ready employment and guys like Kevin Williamson find editorial boards willing to hire them: the press remains in total denial of what the political landscape has become. They largely appeal to a slowly shrinking base of “intellectuals” who are convinced that men like Trump in American politics are an aberration and the two major parties in fact are run by competent men whose politics meet in a nebulous “middle” where compromise and governing can occur. Much like Dubya and the virulently racist “Tea Party” Republicans, the press rooms of America remain in total denial that one political party lost their fucking marbles and not only haven’t regained them, they actually believe it’s a mark of pride that they’re not making the effort to do so.

I may be perhaps biased as an old school journalist who eschewed the whole idea of getting a J degree, but I believe that journalism today has become too skewed toward the intellectual aspect of coverage and away from the “man on the street” aspect that older journalists who worked their way up from copy boys and girls had pursued. Nowadays, a master’s degree in journalism or a bachelor’s and some connection to a media person (like Maggie’s dad) is necessary to gain access to even a medium-sized newsroom, or if you’re patient, a slow crawl up from a local media outlet to larger ones. Even so, employers (or HR depts) seem more impressed with degrees than with actual feet on the ground reporting and writing. Journalism became gentrified, so to speak.

Thus, people like Haberman seem ill-equipped to deal with knife-in-your-back politics, or nutjobs who don’t play by the rules they may have learned in their communication classes, or the fact that one political party seems allergic to facts and reality. Moreover, they also seem to have abandoned the unofficial role of the media as the Fourth Estate (or the Four Branch) of government, and seem more interested in “getting along” with the politicians in order to pump out fluff pieces that skirt the real failures of government right now.

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:23:14am

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wow. I have never actually seen the State Capitol building in Kentucky. It is so rural.

I guess I am so used to Ohio’s at the crossroads of the main streets in downtown Columbus and surrounded by blocks of buildings all around it.

That image of all the teachers and their supporters you have up looks like they are out in the woods going down a country road.

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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:23:37am

re: #272 lawhawk

Just in time for the Yankee home opener. The view from Fair Lawn, NJ.

Crazy. I assume they’ll still play the game, but I wouldn’t want to be out in center field for a few hours tonight.

My wife got a ticket for Thursday’s game from one of her vendors, but luckily she’ll be in one of the corporate boxes so she won’t freeze.

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Jay C  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:25:29am

re: #261 lawhawk

He can’t keep track of his own bullshit.

But worse: no one else seems to, either.
So what’s in today’s shittweetstorm?
A gripe (again) about Amazon and the Post Office
- likely completely untrue: without AZAs fees, the USPS would be running an even bigger deficit

More “border” nonsense.
- contradictory: didn’t he blame Mexico for some other problem just yesterday?

Blaming Democrats over DACA.
-in spite of that Party’s repeated defenses of it? And WHO believes this crap?

And of course, praise for Sinclair Broadcasting.
-Again, the only “fair” news is that which unquestioningly praises Donald Trump

What a embarrassment.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:26:46am

I know he never thinks ahead, but I’d really like to know what Fuckface envisions as a “solution” to Amazon. Make WaPo register as a lobbyist seems to be one. Then what? Special Amazon taxes? Special postage rates? A straight up bill of attainder criminalizing Amazon?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:26:56am

there hasn’t been an official state dinner with anyone yet, IIRC. Maybe Putin will get one.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:28:36am

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

there hasn’t been an official state dinner with anyone yet, IIRC. Maybe Putin will get one.

I’d laugh if Putin stood him up.

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:28:48am
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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:29:34am

re: #277 makeitstop

Crazy. I assume they’ll still play the game, but I wouldn’t want to be out in center field for a few hours tonight.

My wife got a ticket for Thursday’s game from one of her vendors, but luckily she’ll be in one of the corporate boxes so she won’t freeze.

My wife informs me that Opening Day has been canceled already.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:30:24am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:32:19am
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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:32:40am

re: #279 Mike Lamb

I know he never thinks ahead, but I’d really like to know what Fuckface envisions as a “solution” to Amazon. Make WaPo register as a lobbyist seems to be one. Then what? Special Amazon taxes? Special postage rates? A straight up bill of attainder criminalizing Amazon?

The hitch there is he can’t do it to just Amazon - if he was going to tax them more or raise their rates, he’d have to do it to everyone or face the mother of all lawsuits.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:34:08am

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

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there you go kids: “liquidated damages” are NOT THE SAME THING as a “penalty”…

*spit*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:34:55am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:35:06am

re: #272 lawhawk

Mets hosting Phillies out in Flushing this evening, they haven’t postponed yet.
Maybe they’re assessing if they can dig out in time.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:37:49am

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

there hasn’t been an official state dinner with anyone yet, IIRC. Maybe Putin will get one.

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State Dinner for France & Emmanuel Macron is April 24

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:39:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:40:23am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:41:29am

re: #241 ObserverArt

Morning!

They don’t just change their views. Sometimes they make them up.

How much of Trump’s complete fabrications did/do they accept no questions asked?

Anything Trump says to Them is gospel

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:46:20am

re: #281 wheat-dogg

I’d laugh if Putin stood him up.

From what we see of Russian media he will relish getting an invite to the White House. It fits into the “we own Trump, he’s ours” message they seem to like.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:47:05am

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s 2018. Kids shouldn’t even need backpacks. A tablet and a note-pad are easy to carry.

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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:48:21am

re: #296 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s 2018. Kids shouldn’t even need backpacks. A tablet and a note-pad are easy to carry.

Textbooks, though.

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Mattand  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:48:29am

re: #289 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Mets hosting Phillies out in Flushing this evening, they haven’t postponed yet.
Maybe they’re assessing if they can dig out in time.

In either ‘82 or ‘86, the Phils’ home opener got snowed out.

South Jersey/Philly got zero accumulation, thankfully. Although I saw something about potential snowfall for this weekend.

Nope, no global climate change happening at all *eye roll*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:49:58am

re: #297 makeitstop

Textbooks, though.

and personal items

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:51:28am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:51:55am

re: #297 makeitstop

Textbooks, though.

That’s what the tablet is for.

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Mattand  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:52:47am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #292 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m aware of the bullshit that my sister has to go through as a teacher in NJ, particularly given the last 8 years where Christie implied they were enemy #1.

I can’t imagine how rough things are in states like WV, KY, and OK, where they’re actually having massive walking outs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:54:43am

re: #302 Mattand

I’m aware of the bullshit that my sister has to go through as a teacher in NJ, particularly given the last 8 years where Christie implied they were enemy #1.

I can’t imagine how rough things are in states like WV, KY, and OK, where they’re actually having massive walking outs.

And states like Wisconsin that also declared war on teachers’ unions and painted them as overpaid lazy parasites.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:54:47am
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Nyet  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:56:31am

Winnie Mandela apparently was a murderous bastard.

Abductions and assaults of Pelo Mekgwe, Thabiso Mono, Kenny
Kgase and Stompie Seipei

52 The events that occurred during the period late September 1988 to February 1989
resulted in one of the most serious crises ever experienced by the internal and
external liberation movements. On 29 December 1989, four youths - Pelo Mekgwe,
Thabiso Mono, Kenneth Kgase and Moeketsi Stompie Seipei - were abducted
from the Methodist manse in Soweto and taken to the Mandela home in Diepkloof
Extension. The youths were accused of engaging in sexual relations with the
Reverend Paul Verryn, the priest who ran the manse, and Seipei was singled out and
accused of being a police informer. All four youths were assaulted, Seipei severely.

53 In early January, Seipei’s decomposing body was found in a river-bed on the
outskirts of Soweto. His body and head were riddled with injuries and he had
been stabbed in the neck three times.
54 For two weeks in early January, senior religious and community leaders negotiated
with Ms Madikizela-Mandela to secure the release of the other youths held at
the house. Madikizela-Mandela denied that they were being held against their
will and stated that she had rescued them from sexual abuse at the manse.
When the youths were eventually released and the story spread to the media,
Madikizela-Mandela issued several statements and conducted interviews in
which she attacked the church for orchestrating a massive cover-up. The war of
words continued into February. Following the identification of Stompie Seipei’s
body, several members of the MUFC, including Mr Jerry Richardson, were
arrested and charged with murder

[…]

56 Evidence to the Commission, by both perpetrators and victims, confirms that
members of the MUFC and associates of the Mandela household abducted Pelo
Mekgwe, Thabiso Mono, Kenny Kgase and Stompie Seipei from the Methodist
manse in Orlando West on the evening of 29 December 1989.
57 Ms Madikizela-Mandela denied involvement in the abductions, assault and torture
of the four youths and said that she was unaware that they were being held against
their will. She alleges that she received false information from Jerry Richardson
and Xoliswa Falati in this regard, and that she released the youths following the
approach of various community leaders.
THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT THABISO MONO, PELO MEKGWE , KENNETH KGASE AND
MOEKETSI STOMPIE SEIPEI WERE ABDUCTED FROM THE METHODIST MANSE IN ORLANDO ON 29
DECEMBER 1988 BY MR JERRY RICHARDSON, MEMBERS OF THE MUFC, MR JOHN MORGAN, MR
KATIZA CEBEKHULU AND MS XOLISWA FALATI ON THE INSTRUCTIONS OF MS MADIKIZELA-MANDELA.
THE COMMISSION FINDS FURTHER THAT THE ABDUCTED YOUTHS WERE SUBSEQUENTLY
TAKEN TO MADIKIZELA-MANDELA’S DIEPKLOOF HOME, WHERE ALL FOUR YOUTHS WERE
ASSAULTED IN THE BACK ROOMS OF THE PREMISES BY JERRY RICHARDSON, MEMBERS OF THE
MUFC, XOLISWA FALATI AND KATIZA CEBEKHULU.
THE COMMISSION FINDS FURTHER THAT MADIKIZELA-MANDELA WAS PRESENT AT HER HOME
AND NOT IN BRANDFORT AS SUBMITTED IN HER TRIAL, AND THAT SHE WAS PRESENT DURING
THE ASSAULTS, AND INITIATED AND PARTICIPATED IN THE ASSAULTS.

THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT STOMPIE SEIPEI WAS FALSELY ACCUSED OF BEING A POLICE
INFORMER AND WAS CONSEQUENTLY SUBJECTED TO THE MOST SEVERE ASSAULTS AND TORTURE.
THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE WERE AMONGST THOSE INVOLVED IN
THE ASSAULTS ON THE FOUR YOUTHS: MS WINNIE MADIKIZELA-MANDELA, MR JERRY RICHARDSON,
MS XOLISWA FALATI, MS NOMPUMELELO FALATI, MR KATIZA CEBEKHULU, MS SKHUMBUZO
MTHSHALI, MR GIFT MABELANE, MR JABU SITHOLE AND MR BRIAN MABUZA. THE COMMISSION
FURTHER FINDS THAT MR GUYBON KHUBEKA WAS INVOLVED IN A SUBSEQUENT ASSAULT ON
STOMPIE SEIPEI.
THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT THE ALLEGATIONS MADE BY CEBEKHULU, XOLISWA FALATI AND
MADIKIZELA-MANDELA THAT THE REVEREND PAUL VERRYN HAD SEXUALLY ABUSED YOUTHS
RESIDENT AT THE METHODIST MANSE WERE UNFOUNDED AND WITHOUT ANY MERIT. THE
COMMISSION FINDS ALSO THAT MADIKIZELA-MANDELA DELIBERATELY AND MALICIOUSLY
SLANDERED VERRYN AND THE CHURCH PUBLICLY IN AN ATTEMPT TO DIVERT ATTENTION AWAY
FROM HERSELF AND THE ASSOCIATES OF HER HOUSEHOLD.
THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT XOLISWA FALATI WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DISSEMINATION TO
MEMBERS OF THE MANDELA HOUSEHOLD OF UNTESTED ALLEGATIONS ABOUT VERRYN, AS
WELL AS ALLEGATIONS THAT SEIPEI WAS AN INFORMER.
THE COMMISSION FINDS FURTHER THAT MADIKIZELA-MANDELA ACTIVELY RESISTED REPEATED
EFFORTS BY THE MANDELA CRISIS COMMITTEE AND OTHER COMMUNITY AND RELIGIOUS LEADERS
TO SECURE THE RELEASE OF THE YOUTHS BEING HELD AT HER HOUSE.

[…]

IN THE LIGHT OF THE CORROBORATIVE TESTIMONY THAT PLACES MS MADIKIZELA-MANDELA ON
THE SCENE, AND IMPLICATES HER IN THE ASSAULTS, THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT IN ALL
PROBABILITY SHE WAS AWARE OF SEIPEI’S CONDITION AND FAILED, AS HEAD OF THE HOUSEHOLD,
TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY BY ARRANGING MEDICAL TREATMENT FOR SEIPEI (AND THE
OTHER YOUTHS), COMPOUNDING HER OWN COMPLICITY.
THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT MADIKIZELA-MANDELA’S SUBSEQUENT PUBLIC STATEMENTS
ABOUT SEIPEI’S BODY AND HER ALLEGED LINK THROUGH MABOTHA TO THE RUMOURS OF
SEIPEI BEING SEEN AT THE DUKWE REFUGEE CAMP IN BOTSWANA WAS AN ATTEMPT TO
DEFLECT ATTENTION AWAY FROM HERSELF AND HER HOUSEHOLD BY DISSEMINATING FALSE
INFORMATION REGARDING SEIPEI. THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT MADIKIZELA-MANDELA FAILED
TO DISCLOSE TO COMMUNITY LEADERS THAT SEIPEI HAD BEEN AT HER HOUSE.
THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT STOMPIE SEIPEI WAS LAST SEEN ALIVE AT THE HOME OF
MADIKIZELA-MANDELA AND THAT SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ABDUCTION FROM THE
METHODIST MANSE AND WAS NEGLIGENT IN THAT SHE FAILED TO ACT RESPONSIBLY IN
TAKING THE NECESSARY ACTION REQUIRED TO AVERT HIS DEATH.

[…]

THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT MR LEROTODI IKANENG, ONE OF THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS OF
THE MUFC, WAS RESIDENT AT THE ORLANDO WEST HOME OF MS MADIKIZELA-MANDELA. THE
COMMISSION FINDS FURTHER THAT IKANENG LEFT THE MADIKIZELA-MANDELA HOUSEHOLD IN
AUGUST 1988, FOLLOWING THE ARSON ATTACK ON THE PROPERTY. THE COMMISSION FINDS FURTHER
THAT MEMBERS OF THE MUFC MADE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS ON IKANENG’S LIFE FOLLOWING HIS
DEPARTURE FROM THE MANDELA HOUSEHOLD. HE WAS ACCUSED OF BEING A POLICE INFORMER
AFTER PROVIDING THE POLICE WITH A STATEMENT NAMING SIZWE SITHOLE AS THE MURDERER
OF MR THOLE DLAMINI.
THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT MADIKIZELA-MANDELA WAS INVOLVED IN AND RESPONSIBLE FOR
THE ATTEMPTED MURDER OF IKANENG.

[…]

THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT MS MADIKIZELA-MANDELA WAS CENTRAL TO THE ESTABLISHMENT
AND FORMATION OF THE MUFC. THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT CLUB DEVELOPED INTO A PRIVATE
VIGILANTE UNIT OPERATING AROUND MADIKIZELA-MANDELA AND FROM HER HOUSES IN BOTH
ORLANDO WEST AND DIEPKLOOF. THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT THE ARSON ATTACK ON THE
MANDELA HOME IN ORLANDO WEST IN JULY 1988 WAS A MANIFESTATION OF THE COMMUNITY’S
ANGER AGAINST MADIKIZELA- MANDELA AND THE FOOTBALL CLUB. THE COMMISSION FINDS
THAT POLITICAL, COMMUNITY AND CHURCH LEADERS REQUESTED MADIKIZELA-MANDELA TO
DISBAND THE FOOTBALL CLUB. THESE REQUESTS WERE NOT ACCEDED TO AND THE LEADERS
WERE SCORNED BY MADIKIZELA-MANDELA.
THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT THE MUFC WAS INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES
IN THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING KILLING, TORTURE, ASSAULTS AND ARSON. THE COMMISSION
FINDS THAT MS MANDELA WAS AWARE OF THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND THE DISQUIET IT
CAUSED IN THE COMMUNITY AND DELIBERATELY CHOSE NOT TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS
EMANATING FROM THE FOOTBALL CLUB.
THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT THOSE WHO OPPOSED MADIKIZELA-MANDELA AND THE MUFC,
OR DISSENTED FROM THEM, WERE BRANDED AS INFORMERS, THEN HUNTED DOWN AND
KILLED. THEIR LABELLING AS INFORMERS WAS DEEMED TO JUSTIFY THESE KILLINGS.
THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT MEMBERS OF THE FOOTBALL CLUB OPERATED FROM MADIKIZELAMANDELA’S
HOUSE AND THAT SHE HAD KNOWLEDGE OF THE CLUB MEMBERS’ ACTIVITIES
AND/OR AUTHORISED AND/OR SANCTIONED THEM.
THE COMMISSION FINDS MS WINNIE MADIKIZELA MANDELA POLITICALLY AND MORALLY
ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE GROSS VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS COMMITTED BY THE MUFC.
THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT MS MADIKIZELA-MANDELA FAILED TO ACCOUNT TO THE COMMUNITY
AND POLITICAL STRUCTURES. THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT MADIKIZELA-MANDELA WAS
RESPONSIBLE, BY OMISSION, FOR THE COMMISSION OF GROSS VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS

[…]

There can be no doubt that Ms Madikizela-Mandela was central to the establishment
and formation of the MUFC. Club members were involved in at least eighteen
killings, for which many of them are still serving prison sentences. Many of the
operations which led to the killings were launched from her homes. Witnesses
who appeared before the Commission implicated her in having known of these
matters, in having actively participated in assaults or in having assisted in coverups
and obstructing the course of justice.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:56:34am

Dotard must have received some inside information about bad news that will break this week. He’s unhinged (more than usual). He’s clearly worried. He’s full on freaking out.

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Mattand  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:57:19am

re: #303 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And states like Wisconsin that also declared war on teachers’ unions and painted them as overpaid lazy parasites.

Yeah, that’s what was happening here as well.

I mentioned before there’s a guy a few houses up from me who was both a teacher and a fervent Christie booster. Guy was utterly clueless as to the sheer insanity of supporting someone who wants to make it 238% harder for you to make a living.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 7:57:37am
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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:00:44am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Awww, what a cute little pupper. Such a unique pattern of the colors in the coat. And fuzzy. Wanna pet!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:00:49am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:02:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:04:34am
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Mattand  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:04:50am

Since I’m putting off walking Capt. Cementhead because it’s cold out: any suggestions on where to make donations for the midterms? My own House race should be a lock for the incumbent Dem, so my money might be put to better use elsewhere.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:06:52am

re: #313 Mattand

Since I’m putting off walking Capt. Cementhead because it’s cold out: any suggestions on where to make donations for the midterms? My own House race should be a lock for the incumbent Dem, so my money might be put to better use elsewhere.

Any R held districts nearby?

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:07:03am

re: #313 Mattand

Since I’m putting off walking Capt. Cementhead because it’s cold out: any suggestions on where to make donations for the midterms? My own House race should be a lock for the incumbent Dem, so my money might be put to better use elsewhere.

There are a lot of candidates everywhere this year. Texas, for instance. Beto can always use it. But, check if there are any other candidates in your state that could benefit.

Plus there are state elections in your state that could use the money.

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Mattand  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:09:26am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Any R held districts nearby?

Actually, yeah. The district next door has a particular shit heel that could be sent packing. That was the district that sent my town packing when the GOP was on gerrymander-flavored crack.

Good idea. He’s probably a shoo-in, but it’s worth looking into.

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Mattand  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:09:57am

re: #315 Belafon

There are a lot of candidates everywhere this year. Texas, for instance. Beto can always use it. But, check if there are any other candidates in your state that could benefit.

Thanks. Great idea.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:10:06am

re: #315 Belafon

There are a lot of candidates everywhere this year. Texas, for instance. Beto can always use it. But, check if there are any other candidates in your state that could benefit.

Plus there are state elections in your state that could use the money.

I think NJ is like us here in Va wherein we don’t have any state races this year but I agree Congressional races might be good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:10:13am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:10:55am

re: #316 Mattand

Actually, yeah. The district next door has a particular shit heel that could be sent packing. That was the district that sent my town packing when the GOP was on gerrymander-flavored crack.

Good idea. He’s probably a shoo-in, but it’s worth looking into.

You never know. Sounds good tho.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:11:58am

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The companies had every right to withdraw. She’s not entitled to her shitty show.

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:12:01am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing.

His communications team doesn’t.

Incompetence and active sabotage of functioning government is how Trumpworld operates.

Even if you hate Putin and all he’s done, this is an awful rollout of scheduling a major world leader to meet with the POTUS. And it was leaked from the Kremlin first. No one in the Trump WH knows what they’re doing and Putin is exploiting this chaos for his own purposes.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:13:02am

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Not a single Republican nationwide seems to believe in democracy. They are all either Putinist puppets, Ayn Rand acolytes, or religious fanatics.

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:13:34am

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s on top of O’Reilly having an awful hot take on last night’s performance of Jesus Christ Superstar on NBC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:14:47am

this is every bit the train wreck we’ve come to expect:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:15:20am

re: #324 lawhawk

That’s on top of O’Reilly having an awful hot take on last night’s performance of Jesus Christ Superstar on NBC.

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as if not a single person back then had a tattoo……

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Mattand  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:15:25am

re: #324 lawhawk

That’s on top of O’Reilly having an awful hot take on last night’s performance of Jesus Christ Superstar on NBC.

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He’s just pissed it wasn’t a loofa outlet.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:15:27am

re: #324 lawhawk

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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:15:54am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is every bit the train wreck we’ve come to expect:

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The bunny looks more excited to be there than Melania.

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Jay C  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:16:58am

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Powerful, shadowy radical groups”?? SRSLY, BillO??

“Groups” so “shadowy” that they’re forced to conduct their campaign against Laura Ingraham only on Facebook, Twitter, the Internet, and the national media? Using their real names? And appearing in public to address rallies of hundreds of thousands?

JFC: I guess for wingers like O’Reilly it will always be 1968 or whatever… Isn’t t about time for him retire???

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:17:11am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:17:41am

Christ running a tattoo parlor makes more sense than him sounding like Trump.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:17:42am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My money would be on Mar-a-lago. Putin could stay with the guy (Ryboloblev) who bought the Trump property for twice the market value and maybe even do some riding with the Miami-based Russian expat motorcycle club.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:18:42am

re: #329 makeitstop

The bunny looks more excited to be there than Melania.

Spicer is back?

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:19:02am

re: #329 makeitstop

The bunny looks more excited to be there than Melania.

Hope Hicks in the bunny costume.

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:19:26am

re: #330 Jay C

“Powerful, shadowy radical groups”?? SRSLY, BillO??

“Groups” so “shadowy” that they’re forced to conduct their campaign against Laura Ingraham only on Facebook, Twitter, the Internet, and the national media? Using their real names? And appearing in public to address rallies of hundreds of thousands?

JFC: I guess for wingers like O’Reilly it will always be 1968 or whatever… Isn’t t about time for him retire???

There has to be a group controlling these kids or their whole worldview falls apart.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:20:53am

re: #335 ObserverArt

Hope Hicks in the bunny costume.

Nah Spicey.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:21:23am

re: #337 HappyWarrior

Nah Spicey.

Tiffany…

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:22:39am

re: #336 Belafon

There has to be a group controlling these kids or their whole worldview falls apart.

ITZ A CONSPIRACY, I TELLZ YA!
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:22:47am

Since the Media has been pummeling everyone with snowy pics from Yankees Stadium, figured I’d share a shot from Citi Field in Flushing.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:22:55am

re: #336 Belafon

There has to be a group controlling these kids or their whole worldview falls apart.

I for one have never seen the gun nuts so defensive. It’s great because people are seeing through their lies finally.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:23:16am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:23:51am

re: #340 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Since the Media has been pummeling everyone with snowy pics from Yankees Stadium, figured I’d share a shot from Citi Field in Flushing.

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Well I guess I’ll be bringing my beanie and gloves when I head up Friday.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:24:57am

re: #329 makeitstop

The bunny looks more excited to be there than Melania.

Cthulhu is in the suit.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:26:18am

re: #344 Joe Bacon 🌹

Cthulhu is in the suit.

Nah Trump is too evil for him.

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:30:46am
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:33:06am

So I guess it’s not just Stephen Miller who is pushing Trump on denying Dreamers….

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:36:28am

re: #347 Barefoot Grin

So I guess it’s not just Stephen Miller who is pushing Trump on denying Dreamers….

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It’s so pointlessly cruel. I know that’s redundant but this policy makes me so sick.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:40:55am
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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:41:12am

re: #348 HappyWarrior

It’s so pointlessly cruel. I know that’s redundant but this policy makes me so sick.

One of many things we’re going to have to fix, but it won’t be immediately. 2021 at the earliest.

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:41:43am

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

Who would have thought tariffs would have economic consequences.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:43:57am

Dow now -506 and VIX just shot up…

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:45:35am

re: #352 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dow now -506 and VIX just shot up…

VIX?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:47:07am

re: #353 Belafon

VIX?

VIX is the volatility index. Higher VIX indicates market instability

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:47:21am

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

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Obama’s fault obviously.//

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BlueSpotinAL  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:47:49am

All the Snow and Ice , except where it should be

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:47:59am

re: #350 Belafon

One of many things we’re going to have to fix, but it won’t be immediately. 2021 at the earliest.

Yep sigh. Those poor people.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:52:03am

re: #357 HappyWarrior

Yep sigh. Those poor people.

John Oliver had a great take on deportations last night. It is an outrage what is being done in our name and unless we win in November, there is no hope for any improvement, possibly in our lifetime.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:52:12am
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scottslemmons  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:54:45am

re: #354 Joe Bacon 🌹

VIX is the volatility index. Higher VIX indicates market instability

Turns out trade wars wreck economic stability. Who knew?

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:55:18am

re: #335 ObserverArt

Hope Hicks in the bunny costume.

I think it’s Tiffany being tested for a senior WH advisor position.

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The Major  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:55:46am

re: #353 Belafon

VIX?

Stock volatility index.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:55:57am

OK, did the Secret Service kidnap this Melania body double?

Oh, and just your typical White House Easter Egg Roll intro speech.
The man is a moron. And, that is insulting to most morons.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:55:59am

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

And Amazon keeps dropping, thanks to President Asshole who pays no taxes at all.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:57:28am

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:57:35am

re: #358 Hecuba’s daughter

John Oliver had a great take on deportations last night. It is an outrage what is being done in our name and unless we win in November, there is no hope for any improvement, possibly in our lifetime.

The most heartbreaking are the stories of children being separated from parents. My niece is three, her mom is an immigrant thankfully with permanent residency and has birthright citizenship via the 14th and my brother.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:59:07am

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

The tweet from @IngrahamAngle was ill-advised and Laura has apologized. But know this: the sponsor boycott is not some spontaneous uprising by companies. It is being directed by powerful, shadowy radical groups who want Laura Ingraham off the air.

She has no right to be on the air, she has at best the right to find sponsors to sell her advertising slots to.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2018 • 8:59:32am

Gee, thanks Trump for making my 401k “great” again.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:00:44am

I saw that Sanders was echoing Trump on Amazon yesterday. Why? Why not speak out for the DACA kids? Amazon got big because they provide valuable services at timely rates and because they have an amazing selection.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:00:45am

re: #336 Belafon

There has to be a group controlling these kids or their whole worldview falls apart.

and they have to be foreigners or “cosmopolitans”…

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Mike Lamb  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:01:36am

re: #356 BlueSpotinAL

All the Snow and Ice , except where it should be

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And the idiots don’t get that warm air over the Arctic contributes to colder temps in the continental US…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:02:48am

re: #371 Mike Lamb

And the idiots don’t get that warm air over the Arctic contributes to colder temps in the continental US…

weather climate, science, math…fuggedabouddit

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Mike Lamb  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:02:51am

re: #363 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

OK, did the Secret Service kidnap this Melania body double?

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Trying to figure out who is wearing the better mask…Melania or the rabbit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:03:30am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:03:35am

Gonna be a chilly ballgame in Queens tonight.
Highs supposed to be in the low 40’s today. They’re gonna need cart that snow off the field. If they try and just melt it, it’ll be soupy mess.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:03:59am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:04:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:06:27am

heh

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:07:20am

re: #369 HappyWarrior

I saw that Sanders was echoing Trump on Amazon yesterday. Why? Why not speak out for the DACA kids? Amazon got big because they provide valuable services at timely rates and because they have an amazing selection.

Sanders appears to be an undercover Trump supporter. Does he not understand that Trump’s attacks on Amazon are based on The Washington Post’s critique of his presidency? Trump is going after Bezos on a personal level because he doesn’t like WP’s coverage. Why couldn’t Sanders have stated that Trump attacking a business was improper? Why back Trump up?

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:07:40am

re: #369 HappyWarrior

Gosh, I remember back when it was Walmart that was putting all the mom and pop stores out of business. I guess being big Republican supporters has gotten them off the hook.

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:10:49am

re: #375 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Most everyone in NYC metro saw 4-6 inches of what the Mrs. calls congealed water (it doesn’t qualify as snow since it’s not particularly white and is more slush than snow).

But it’ll be 60+ by Wednesday. Woot. Then back to the 40s, 50s, and another shot at snow next weekend.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:11:00am

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Next question should be “And didn’t you kill a bi-partisan DACA deal?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:11:48am
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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:12:09am

The glorious “Free Market” at work.

Coal, nuclear plant operator files for bankruptcy, asks Trump for a bailout

On Saturday, power corporation FirstEnergy placed its coal and nuclear generation units under chapter 11 bankruptcy. Although coal and nuclear plants across the country have struggled to compete with the low prices of natural gas, FirstEnergy’s filing is unique because it stands to take on a political dimension. Just two days before FirstEnergy’s bankruptcy filing, the company petitioned the Department of Energy (DOE) for an emergency bailout, citing concerns about reliability.

The petition could reinvigorate a debate started by Energy Secretary Rick Perry, who proposed a rule last year to change how coal and nuclear plants are compensated for their power. The rule was denied by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC), which said that there was not enough evidence to justify changing how coal and nuclear are compensated.

FirstEnergy disparaged FERC’s decision in its Thursday petition (PDF), claiming that “as a result of FERC’s and the RTO’s [Regional Transmission Organization’s] failure to address this crisis, swift and decisive action is needed now to address this imminent loss of nuclear and coal-fired baseload generation and the threat to the electric grid that this loss poses” (emphasis FirstEnergy’s).

The Trump administration campaigned on bringing back coal, despite the fact that it’s a major contributor to climate change. Trump and his appointees have repeated misinformation about climate change science throughout their time in office. But coal’s struggles at this point have little to do with climate change regulation from the government and more to do with higher costs than natural gas in many places around the country. That has left coal companies to argue that their electricity is more reliable and therefore more valuable than other forms of electricity.

arstechnica.com

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:12:10am

re: #369 HappyWarrior

I saw that Sanders was echoing Trump on Amazon yesterday. Why? Why not speak out for the DACA kids? Amazon got big because they provide valuable services at timely rates and because they have an amazing selection.

Amazon took advantage of some tax loopholes when it got started, namely that, in a lot of states, people were supposed to pay sales taxes to their states if the company did not collect them. Now, though, Amazon collects and pays taxes in most states. Not having stores has allowed them to minimize costs that physical stores don’t. But I think the biggest reason Amazon is doing so well is that you can get things through their site that you can’t always get in a store. I haven’t found a physical store that carries Harold & Maude.

Edit: But, I meant to add, that the attacks on Amazon are solely about WaPo’s investigating Trump.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:13:35am

re: #381 lawhawk

Most everyone in NYC metro saw 4-6 inches of what the Mrs. calls congealed water (it doesn’t qualify as snow since it’s not particularly white and is more slush than snow).

But it’ll be 60+ by Wednesday. Woot. Then back to the 40s, 50s, and another shot at snow next weekend.

We had two inches this morning on unpaved surfaces. Gone already as the temps go into the 40s.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:14:45am
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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:15:10am

re: #385 Belafon

I haven’t found a physical store withing 200 miles of where I live that carries 80% of what I buy on Amazon. Most chain physical stores don’t even carry much of what their online stores do.

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:15:25am

re: #384 Skip Intro

The glorious “Free Market” at work.

Coal, nuclear plant operator files for bankruptcy, asks Trump for a bailout

arstechnica.com

Coal has the best electrons.

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scottslemmons  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:16:18am

re: #385 Belafon

Amazon took advantage of some tax loopholes when it got started, namely that, in a lot of states, people were supposed to pay sales taxes to their states if the company did not collect them. Now, though, Amazon collects and pays taxes in most states. Not having stores has allowed them to minimize costs that physical stores don’t. But I think the biggest reason Amazon is doing so well is that you can get things through their site that you can’t always get in a store. I haven’t found a physical store that carries Harold & Maude.

This. We live out in the boondocks, and I’m a book fanatic. Right now, the nearest full-service bookstore is two hours away in Amarillo. When Barnes & Noble closes next year, the closest will be in either Dallas, OKC, or Albuquerque. Without Amazon, I wouldn’t have access to any books outside of the romance bestsellers at the grocery store.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:16:32am

re: #384 Skip Intro

The glorious “Free Market” at work.

Coal, nuclear plant operator files for bankruptcy, asks Trump for a bailout

arstechnica.com

Coalyndra!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:16:53am

re: #381 lawhawk

Most everyone in NYC metro saw 4-6 inches of what the Mrs. calls congealed water (it doesn’t qualify as snow since it’s not particularly white and is more slush than snow).

But it’ll be 60+ by Wednesday. Woot. Then back to the 40s, 50s, and another shot at snow next weekend.

Set to bump into the low 80’s today here in JAX. Had to turn on the AC this morning, just to cut down the humidity in the cave.

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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:17:14am

re: #381 lawhawk

Most everyone in NYC metro saw 4-6 inches of what the Mrs. calls congealed water (it doesn’t qualify as snow since it’s not particularly white and is more slush than snow).

But it’ll be 60+ by Wednesday. Woot. Then back to the 40s, 50s, and another shot at snow next weekend.

I console myself with the thought that once this stretch of crazy weather is done, everything will be green and it’ll warm up once and for all.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:18:23am

This is pretty remarkable: -570.97 (-2.37%). This moves the Dow back to levels in Oct 2017.

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:19:35am

re: #388 Skip Intro

I haven’t found a physical store withing 200 miles of where I live that carries 80% of what I buy on Amazon. Most chain physical stores don’t even carry much of what their online stores do.

Amazon has entered into deals to pay sales tax in many states. They also have to pay tax because of a new physical presence (owning Whole Foods could potentially establish nexus for sales tax purposes since the stores also allow customers to pick up Amazon purchases).

Thing is that the Wayfair case could end up making everyone subject to sales tax online by changing how states are to treat nexus (the relationship between the business and the state rises to a level that means the state can impose tax liabilities).

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:20:13am

re: #385 Belafon

Amazon took advantage of some tax loopholes when it got started, namely that, in a lot of states, people were supposed to pay sales taxes to their states if the company did not collect them. Now, though, Amazon collects and pays taxes in most states. Not having stores has allowed them to minimize costs that physical stores don’t. But I think the biggest reason Amazon is doing so well is that you can get things through their site that you can’t always get in a store. I haven’t found a physical store that carries Harold & Maude.

Edit: But, I meant to add, that the attacks on Amazon are solely about WaPo’s investigating Trump.

Right. I’ve gotten many a rare book through Amazon and I use Audible too.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:21:04am

re: #388 Skip Intro

I haven’t found a physical store withing 200 miles of where I live that carries 80% of what I buy on Amazon. Most chain physical stores don’t even carry much of what their online stores do.

Yeah they have an amazing collection.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:21:58am

re: #380 Skip Intro

Gosh, I remember back when it was Walmart that was putting all the mom and pop stores out of business. I guess being big Republican supporters has gotten them off the hook.

The other thing is Amazon has private sellers too. Great for rare book finds.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:23:28am

re: #383 Backwoods_Sleuth

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At least he left out the whole sex on a yacht thing.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:25:02am

It’s definitely Monday

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:25:08am

This is what the GOP, Fox, Sinclair, and talk radio are trying to kill.

The liberal appropriations made by the Legislature of Kentucky for a general system of Education cannot be too much applauded. A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.

James Madison to W. T. Barry, August 4 1822.

press-pubs.uchicago.edu

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:25:26am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

Yeah they have an amazing collection.

I also like that they allow their storefront to be an interface for other suppliers. I bought some relays that were actually purchased from a third party company, not Amazon, though the website was amazon.com. I am curious how many businesses see an uptick in sales because they use Amazon’s site as their front end.

And yes, I realize their could be issues if Amazon were to try to take more control.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:26:56am

re: #386 Barefoot Grin

We had two inches this morning on unpaved surfaces. Gone already as the temps go into the 40s.

Same here in NW PA. Couple inches on car and lawn, roads clear.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:27:03am
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Eventual Carrion  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:27:21am

re: #387 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I’m getting real sick of this winning.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:28:29am
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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:29:11am

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

Consult the Book of Armaments.

These fuckers are not right in the head and have completely misinterpreted the Bible to spout nonsense to their congregants who lap this crap up.

Oh, and they’re also the same fuckers who fleece their congregants and steal from their congregations so they can live a lavish lifestyle out of the charity to others.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:31:58am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:32:48am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:33:30am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:33:45am

What??? It’s a growth industry…

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KGxvi  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:34:49am

re: #411 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The fact that it lists “England and Wales” but doesn’t include Scotland feels like the opening for a joke, but I just don’t know what that joke is.

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:34:52am

re: #369 HappyWarrior

I saw that Sanders was echoing Trump on Amazon yesterday. Why? Why not speak out for the DACA kids? Amazon got big because they provide valuable services at timely rates and because they have an amazing selection.

You know…I may have been on to something when I did this photoshop at the end of ‘15.

“We got yer carzy bases covered…and it’ll be great. Make America Nuts Again!
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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:35:50am

This is kind of a weird story. A guy claims that he ran into Papapdopoulos in a bar in Chicago, and he told the guy that Sessions knew about his contacts with the Russians and encouraged them.

I’d dismiss it entirely if it weren’t for Papadolpoulos’ propensity for mouthing off in bars.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:36:14am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:38:24am

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:38:34am

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Uneducated and easily pliable, yep.

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KGxvi  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:39:37am

re: #369 HappyWarrior

I saw that Sanders was echoing Trump on Amazon yesterday. Why? Why not speak out for the DACA kids? Amazon got big because they provide valuable services at timely rates and because they have an amazing selection.

While I’m not a big fan of Amazon, and think some of their business practices are less than good… their use of the postal service isn’t one of those less than good business practices. But there’s always political value in railing against industry giants, especially among the fringes of our political spectrum. There’s less value in advocating for those with limited power/influence/opportunity.

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:39:44am

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

What’s in the pictures?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:41:31am

re: #385 Belafon

I meant to add, that the attacks on Amazon are solely about WaPo’s investigating Trump.

and dragging the USPS into is a nice touch: a government agency that exists to provide a vital service, not necessarily to make a profit.

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KGxvi  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:41:35am

re: #419 Belafon

What’s in the pictures?

Textbooks in tatters.

I remember having some books in less than great condition as a kid, but part of that was because as kids, we were kind of rough with the books.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:42:06am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

Right. I’ve gotten many a rare book through Amazon and I use Audible too.

and I watch Amazon prime most nights of the week

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:42:29am

re: #414 makeitstop

This is kind of a weird story. A guy claims that he ran into Papapdopoulos in a bar in Chicago, and he told the guy that Sessions knew about his contacts with the Russians and encouraged them.

I’d dismiss it entirely if it weren’t for Papadolpoulos’ propensity for mouthing off in bars.

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It’s only going to hurt if there are criminal consequences for these guys. So far the GOP ignores all the criminality in Trumpworld while demanding that Congress, the FBI, and Fox investigate Clinton again and again.

It’s as though Clinton won and the GOP is living in an alternative universe where Trump’s Russia connections are ignored.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:42:36am

Her decorating skills have not improved since the Christmas display.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:43:00am

re: #379 Patricia Kayden

Sanders appears to be an undercover Trump supporter. Does he not understand that Trump’s attacks on Amazon are based on The Washington Post’s critique of his presidency? Trump is going after Bezos on a personal level because he doesn’t like WP’s coverage. Why couldn’t Sanders have stated that Trump attacking a business was improper? Why back Trump up?

As Darth pointed out above it’s financial too. All the more reason why Bernie shouldn’t have echoed him.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:44:10am

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I missed that part of the Bible.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:44:28am

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

Two Oklahoma teachers shared these photos w/ me. Their students use these textbooks. It blows my mind.

We want America to be “run like a business”.

To a businessperson, things like education, health care, environmental or safety protections are cost factors to be minimized to increase bottom-line profits instead of as investments in a well-educated, prosperous and healthy society and economy.

We are seeing what that sort of thinking leads to.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:44:36am

And, preempting one of Belafon’s “What’s in the pictures?”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:45:01am

re: #422 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and I watch Amazon prime most nights of the week

Prime has made my brother’s life as a student so much easier.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:46:07am

re: #426 HappyWarrior

I missed that part of the Bible.

makes you worse than a heathen

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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:47:11am

re: #424 The Vicious Babushka

Her decorating skills have not improved since the Christmas display.

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That’s the work of an insane person.

The color scheme is right out of ‘The Shining,’ the construction is just bizarre. It conveys absolutely zero joy. I sure hope she enjoys it, but I see no happiness at all in what she comes up with.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:47:12am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:47:15am
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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:47:55am

re: #424 The Vicious Babushka

I was at the White House in December, and that the display in the entry foyer (from the visitor entrance) wasn’t as bad as it was made out to be. The rest of the decorations throughout the public spaces was quite traditional.

The decorations are the least offensive part of Trumpworld IMO.

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:48:11am

re: #420 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and dragging the USPS into is a nice touch: a government agency that exists to provide a vital service, not necessarily to make a profit.

That is a concept Trump does not and will not ever grasp.

Mr. Big Businessman does everything for profit. And he failed at that, but whatever.

He does not understand the concept of service.

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KGxvi  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:49:35am

re: #427 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We want America to be “run like a business”.

To a businessperson, things like education, health care, environmental or safety protections are cost factors to be minimized to increase bottom-line profits instead of as investments in a well-educated, prosperous and healthy society and economy.

We are seeing what that sort of thinking leads to.

To a bad businessperson, this is very true.

To a good/smart businessperson, education is important because you want smart employees who can actually do the jobs you ask of them. Health care, environmental and safety protections are important because sick/injured employees mean you’re losing money (either because a qualified employee is out of work, or you’ve fired them and hired a new employee who you must now train, thereby sinking additional resources into the same damn job).

Too many people, like Trump and his goons, are playing tic tac toe (poorly) and thinking they are geniuses.

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:49:37am
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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:51:33am

re: #228 Targetpractice

In the event that it became public knowledge that Trump was president due to Russia hacking (i.e. vote tallies altered), the most likely “compromise” would be to demand his immediate resignation. Because the GOP would still fight against impeachment by arguing that he was totally in the dark about Russian efforts to change votes.

And when Trump refuses because its all a fake deep state conspiracy against him, if Congress won’t impeach then he gets to serve his full term.

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KGxvi  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:51:53am

re: #437 lawhawk

That’s not how you end gang violence in the US. It’s how you perpetuate it.

technically, we’re exporting it! See, Trump is fixing our trade deficits!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:52:12am
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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:53:21am

re: #437 lawhawk

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Trump needs MS-13 so that he can run against it; hence the need to send the message to potential snitches to keep silent.

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:54:39am

re: #431 makeitstop

That’s the work of an insane person.

The color scheme is right out of ‘The Shining,’ the construction is just bizarre. It conveys absolutely zero joy. I sure hope she enjoys it, but I see no happiness at all in what she comes up with.

I was thinking a psychiatrist would have a great time interpreting her decoration.

Just think pink egg tunnel. And go from there.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:57:05am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 9:57:26am

re: #433 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Wtf.

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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:01:53am

re: #443 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The deeper you read that contract, the worse it smells.

Are people in broadcasting that desperate for gigs? I do understand that if someone is going for a job in broadcasting, it would almost inevitably be at Sinclair, since they own so many goddamn stations at this point.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:02:11am

Today’s world autism day. Thanks for being a friend LGF community.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:02:48am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:04:39am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:05:42am

re: #448 The Vicious Babushka

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Ask Bill Clinton about that, Tomi.

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:06:42am
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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:07:20am

re: #447 The Vicious Babushka

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Related:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:09:11am

re: #450 lawhawk

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Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:09:54am

re: #451 makeitstop

Related:

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Tucker shockervis two faced.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:11:14am

re: #424 The Vicious Babushka

She leans Goth.

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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:11:40am

re: #453 HappyWarrior

Tucker shockervis two faced.

He’s right on that last sentence, though. It seems like people who hate the media have, indeed, all gotten jobs at the White House.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:13:40am

re: #424 The Vicious Babushka

She’s somehow made the White House like the Overlook Hotel.

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:14:02am

According to the CNN blurb I caught on the way back to my cube, “Trump’s allies” (which, going by the pictures included Hannity) are telling the GOP base that Trump is getting soft on immigration.

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wrenchwench  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:14:59am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:18:16am

re: #436 KGxvi

To a bad businessperson, this is very true.

To a good/smart businessperson, education is important because you want smart employees who can actually do the jobs you ask of them. Health care, environmental and safety protections are important because sick/injured employees mean you’re losing money (either because a qualified employee is out of work, or you’ve fired them and hired a new employee who you must now train, thereby sinking additional resources into the same damn job).

Too many people, like Trump and his goons, are playing tic tac toe (poorly) and thinking they are geniuses.

Smart business people understand long-term investments. Other just make deals and then walk away.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:18:30am

re: #456 Dr Lizardo

She’s somehow made the White House like the Overlook Hotel.

I can assure you as LGF’s Resident Quarter Slovene we’re not all weird like that. In fact, my brother has his room decorated with posters.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:18:46am

Please take some time out of your busy schedule to report this asshole for targeted harassment:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:19:48am

re: #457 Belafon

According to the CNN blurb I caught on the way back to my cube, “Trump’s allies” (which, going by the pictures included Hannity) are telling the GOP base that Trump is getting soft on immigration.

What more do they want? Oh remembers comments he’s read before.

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wrenchwench  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:20:31am

re: #460 HappyWarrior

I can assure you as LGF’s Resident Quarter Slovene we’re not all weird like that. In fact, my brother has his room decorated with posters.

Between us, we have the LGF Resident Half Slovene. Adding back some of the weird.

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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:22:24am

re: #463 wrenchwench

Between us, we have the LGF Resident Half Slovene. Adding back some of the weird.

You’re both gonna have to up your game to get it to Mel-level.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:23:56am

Well, Mets call it. Winter wins again.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:24:22am

re: #463 wrenchwench

Between us, we have the LGF Resident Half Slovene. Adding back some of the weird.

Ah but we’re the good weird WW.

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KGxvi  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:25:23am

re: #459 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Smart business people understand long-term investments. Other just make deals and then walk away.

The Wall Street/MBA approach to business that flooded our society in the 80s and 90s has done a terrible disservice to our economy. Too many are focused on short term returns without considering the long term consequences.

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wrenchwench  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:26:34am

re: #466 HappyWarrior

Ah but we’re the good weird WW.

But you took your brother into account. If I do that, it goes all to hell. One good one out of 6 sibs.

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KGxvi  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:26:51am

re: #465 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Wow, single admission double header, thought those had gone the way of the dodo.

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garzooma  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:27:17am

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹

Charles Pierce at Esquire:

We are inching ever closer to the revelation that the actual vote totals were hacked…

esquire.com

This is from the beginning of February. We still haven’t seen any evidence that vote totals were hacked.

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:27:21am

re: #469 KGxvi

Wow, single admission double header, thought those had gone the way of the dodo.

Global Warming.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:28:15am

re: #465 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, Mets call it. Winter wins again.

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Early April games really ought to be scheduled in southern or domed parks.

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jaunte  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:28:37am

re: #467 KGxvi

There was an interesting bit on NPR yesterday afternoon (I think the show was Innovation Hub) about the consequences of confusing pleasure for happiness. They were talking about obesity, addiction and brain chemistry, but it could well have been about short term business planning.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:28:52am

re: #464 makeitstop

You’re both gonna have to up your game to get it to Mel-level.

Ha we shall try.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:29:29am

re: #468 wrenchwench

But you took your brother into account. If I do that, it goes all to hell. One good one out of 6 sibs.

He’s probably the most normal one of the three.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:33:17am

re: #469 KGxvi

Wow, single admission double header, thought those had gone the way of the dodo.

For initial scheduling yeah. But I think most teams find their way into around one a year making up weather games.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:41:42am

re: #450 lawhawk

Was that child’s name Barron, by any chance?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:45:48am

re: #477 Skip Intro

Was that child’s name Barron, by any chance?

I do wonder if he’s on the spectrum since Trumps anti vaccine fix is weird and wasn’t much a thing until Barron was born.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:46:40am

Down 650…

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TedStriker  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:48:30am

re: #479 Joe Bacon 🌹

Down 650…

Weeeeeeee…

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JordanRules  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:49:12am
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Dr. Matt  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:49:37am

re: #479 Joe Bacon 🌹

Down 650…

And Amazon is at -74.53 for -5.15%…..all thanks to the Fucktard in the White House.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:50:14am

re: #479 Joe Bacon 🌹

Down 650…

THESE TRADE WARS ARE SO EASY TO WIN, AS EASY AS BUILDING A WALL

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JordanRules  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:51:44am
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piratedan  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:54:09am

re: #484 JordanRules

Ms. Haberman could not be reached for comment because her lips were still glued to the ass of the WH Chief of Staff… /////////////////////////////////////

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:54:30am
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Dr. Matt  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:55:42am

I just dropped $100+ on Amazon for things I really don’t need, but did it out of spite for Dotard.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:56:43am

re: #487 Dr. Matt

I just dropped $100+ on Amazon for things I really don’t need, but did it out of spite for Dotard.

Huh. I do it because I like buying stuff, and Amazon is as convenient as it gets.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:57:12am

re: #482 Dr. Matt

And Amazon is at -74.53 for -5.15%…..all thanks to the Fucktard in the White House.

He’s knocked Amazon down around 125 with his non stop attacks. Is the media going to wake up and notice he’s trying to destroy an American company?

Rhetorical question again.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2018 • 10:58:50am

re: #485 piratedan

Ms. Haberman could not be reached for comment because her lips were still glued to the ass of the WH Chief of Staff… /////////////////////////////////////

Sean Hannity should have walked away with that award. He was robbed.

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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:00:23am

re: #489 Skip Intro

He’s knocked Amazon down around 125 with his non stop attacks. Is the media going to wake up and notice he’s trying to destroy an American company?

Rhetorical question again.

Trump is picking winners/losers based on his whims as president.

That’s not how any of this is done.

It’s also instructive that the GOP would have gone absolutely batshit insane had Obama or Clinton or anyone else done anything even approaching this. Trump is targeting his political enemies and their companies and trying to destroy their value or otherwise undermining US companies (which also increases the chances someone else might try to wrest control over them if the values drop sufficiently).

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:00:37am

re: #489 Skip Intro

I’m trying to figure out why Wall Street even cares.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:00:43am

re: #488 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Huh. I do it because I like buying stuff, and Amazon is as convenient as it gets.

Like I said, I really didn’t need anything (outside of a new Cadillac), but I’m showing my support for an American company.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:00:52am

Wonder which one of Trump’s buddies recently shorted Amazon stock?

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piratedan  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:01:01am

re: #490 Skip Intro

well, we all suspect that Sean’s lips are wrapped around a different part of Trump’s anatomy… /// (apologies to those with active imaginations….)

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calochortus  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:01:43am

re: #489 Skip Intro

He’s knocked Amazon down around 125 with his non stop attacks. Is the media going to wake up and notice he’s trying to destroy an American company?

Rhetorical question again.

I don’t quite understand why Amazon is dropping, other than fund managers being Nervous Nellies. People aren’t going to quit buying from Amazon.

I’m of two minds about Amazon, on the one hand it’s convenient and you can find everything. On the other hand, if I’m buying something I want to see and handle before I buy, I make sure to buy it locally if possible because I need to keep those stores in business.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:01:50am

Trump Names Personal Dentist New Attorney General

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Dr. Matt  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:02:15am

re: #489 Skip Intro

He’s knocked Amazon down around 125 with his non stop attacks. Is the media going to wake up and notice he’s trying to destroy an American company?

What I can’t figure out is why the markets are even responding to his unhinged twitter rants about Amazon?

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:03:15am

re: #496 calochortus

I don’t quite understand why Amazon is dropping, other than fund managers being Nervous Nellies. People aren’t going to quit buying from Amazon.

I’m of two minds about Amazon, on the one hand it’s convenient and you can find everything. On the other hand, if I’m buying something I want to see and handle before I buy, I make sure to buy it locally if possible because I need to keep those stores in business.

The only time I buy something from Amazon when I could get it local is USB cables. Both Best Buy and Walmart charge out the wazoo for those for no reason.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:04:05am


Lobby President Trump to appoint Laura Ingraham as the communications director to replace Hope Hicks, who recently left
- Orly Taitz

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:04:16am

re: #498 Dr. Matt

What I can’t figure out is why the markets are even responding to his unhinged twitter rants about Amazon?

Maybe the Washington Post should look into whether Wall Street is colluding with the President to shut them up.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:04:32am

re: #481 JordanRules

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Thousands of Kentucky teachers protested at our Capitol as well.

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calochortus  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:05:06am

re: #499 Belafon

The only time I buy something from Amazon when I could get it local is USB cables. Both Best Buy and Walmart charge out the wazoo for those for no reason.

Best Buy and Walmart barely qualify as “buying local” anyway. There are fewer and fewer truly local purveyors of anything.

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Jay C  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:05:35am

re: #489 Skip Intro

He’s knocked Amazon down around 125 with his non stop attacks. Is the media going to wake up and notice he’s trying to destroy an American company?

Rhetorical question again.

Well, markets usually discount/ignore these sort of attacks: Trump’s blatherings might have some short-term negative effects, but it’s really unlikely he can affect their business (vs. stock value) - unless he can cheerlead a nationwide boycott or whatever. And of course, that would probably boost AZA’s sales, just out of spite….

Dow down 719 points to 23,383 at 2:00 - this is about the “floor” level for the index in recent weeks: if it doesn’t rebound from here (more-or-less), then we’ll know it’s SHTF time….

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plansbandc  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:06:21am

re: #491 lawhawk

It’s exactly how it’s done now. All the things he’s doing to radically change everything about who we are as a country, and it’s like no one gives a damn. The press certainly doesn’t. The average person certainly doesn’t.

I fear there aren’t nearly enough of us who give a damn.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:07:03am

re: #492 Belafon

I’m trying to figure out why Wall Street even cares.

Trump is doing what he does best; creating Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.

Wall Street hates that.

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:07:08am

re: #504 Jay C

I do wonder how much of that drop is just due to the market dropping.

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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:07:34am

re: #484 JordanRules

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Their description of Maggie’s award makes me want to barf:

Maggie Haberman’s White House reporting showed her deep understanding of what makes President Trump tick. Having covered Mr. Trump as a New York businessman for 20 years, she was able to tap that knowledge of his personality, business operations and inner circle to chronicle the first year of his presidency. Her reporting was nuanced, contextual and multi-dimensional, with rich detail and authoritative sourcing. She often conveyed the feeling of being a fly on the wall of the White House. She also was a generous colleague who shared the fruits of her reporting with others at the Times.

That is everything that’s wrong with the coverage of Trump.

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:08:54am

re: #508 BeachDem

Their description of Maggie’s award makes me want to barf:

Maggie Haberman’s White House reporting showed her deep understanding of what makes President Trump tick. Having covered Mr. Trump as a New York businessman for 20 years, she was able to tap that knowledge of his personality, business operations and inner circle to chronicle the first year of his presidency. Her reporting was nuanced, contextual and multi-dimensional, with rich detail and authoritative sourcing. She often conveyed the feeling of being a fly on the wall of the White House. She also was a generous colleague who shared the fruits of her reporting with others at the Times.

That is everything that’s wrong with the coverage of Trump.

What if they’re giving it to her to get back at her for her recent negative coverage of the White House?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:10:14am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:10:18am

re: #495 piratedan

well, we all suspect that Sean’s lips are wrapped around a different part of Trump’s anatomy… /// (apologies to those with active imaginations….)

That’s fine. I’m trying to lose weight anyway.

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jaunte  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:10:36am

re: #487 Dr. Matt

I just dropped $100+ on Amazon for things I really don’t need, but did it out of spite for Dotard.

Keep this on the bestseller list. Spiteing the president* is a side effect, but everyone needs to read it.

Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin’s War on America and the Election of Donald Trump

amazon.com

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:11:27am
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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:12:12am

re: #504 Jay C

Trump’s rantings have cost small investors - retired people - millions or billions in paper loses at a time in life where they no longer have a long enough time period left to make it up, if it continues.

In the old days this would be causing outrage, but since most retired people apparently only watch Fox and listen to talk radio, they don’t even know it’s happening.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:12:50am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:12:51am
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Jay C  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:13:39am

re: #514 Skip Intro

In the old days this would be causing outrage, but since most retired people apparently only watch Fox and listen to talk radio, they don’t even know it’s happening.

And if they do, they’ll probably buy the line that it’s all Obama’s fault.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:13:57am

re: #507 Belafon

I do wonder how much of that drop is just due to the market dropping.

I would assume a lot; the Dow, S&P and Nasdaq are all down about 3%. I’m guessing the danger of a trade war with China, possible cancellation of NAFTA and rising interest rates are all having an effect.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:14:00am

re: #486 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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No, junior, it’s that we don’t need the son of a convicted felon and a traitor to the country handing out parenting advice. Or, alternatively, we don’t need parenting advice from someone who pushed the idea that Democrats engaged in child sex trafficking out of the basement of a Washington DC pizza joint that didn’t have a basement. Take your pick.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:14:06am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:14:52am
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jaunte  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:17:09am

re: #521 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why You Should Surround Yourself With More Books Than You’ll Ever Have Time to Read
inc.com

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calochortus  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:17:32am

re: #514 Skip Intro

Trump’s rantings have cost small investors - retired people - millions or billions in paper loses at a time in life where they no longer have a long enough time period left to make it up, if it continues.

In the old days this would be causing outrage, but since most retired people apparently only watch Fox and listen to talk radio, they don’t even know it’s happening.

I don’t think most people pay a lot of attention to the market-or the funds they are invested in. If they did, they wouldn’t be invested in high-load funds, for starters.

I also think that the market has been overvalued, which sucks if you invested when it was at its highest, but like when the housing bubble burst, your condo really wasn’t worth that peak price, and neither was your portfolio. Now stocks may go back up, but then again it could take a while.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:17:34am

re: #521 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s a really weird place for a sex-swing.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:18:07am

re: #515 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Keeping in mind that Laura Ingraham isn’t a journalist in any sense of the word. She’s a GOP hack who is virtually a spokeswoman for the White House.

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jaunte  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:18:24am

re: #524 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You never know when you might want to read something.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:18:59am

re: #508 BeachDem

Their description of Maggie’s award makes me want to barf:

Maggie Haberman’s White House reporting showed her deep understanding of what makes President Trump tick. Having covered Mr. Trump as a New York businessman for 20 years, she was able to tap that knowledge of his personality, business operations and inner circle to chronicle the first year of his presidency. Her reporting was nuanced, contextual and multi-dimensional, with rich detail and authoritative sourcing. She often conveyed the feeling of being a fly on the wall of the White House. She also was a generous colleague who shared the fruits of her reporting with others at the Times.

That is everything that’s wrong with the coverage of Trump.

Makes me wish Media Whores Online was back on the web!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:19:31am

re: #510 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And the children he screwed over by rolling back DACA?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:19:59am

re: #527 Joe Bacon 🌹

Makes me wish Media Whores Online was back on the web!

Wow that’s a name I haven’t heard since the Bush years.

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sagehen  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:20:48am

re: #340 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Since the Media has been pummeling everyone with snowy pics from Yankees Stadium, figured I’d share a shot from Citi Field in Flushing.

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This is why the Dodgers moved to Los Angeles.

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piratedan  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:20:53am

re: #515 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, the companies that pulled their advertising dollars sure seems to indicate that they would prefer to not support a woman who has a national TV show, berate a teenage mass gun shooting survivor and supporter for arms control.

Would they have done so with LI outing herself as being a person whose behavior who was not socially acceptable? Perhaps if she had refrained from using social media to make a statement publicly… and yet, whose fault is that? Anyone hold a gun to her head and force her to pile onto Hogg? Couldn’t she read the numbers knowing that the overwhelming number of Americans, Republicans included were in favor of this position. Shouldn’t she have been savvy enough to understand that maybe saying anything detrimental about a shooting survivor publicly wasn’t a “good look”.

just like these fuckers to ry and reframe the question instead of dealing with the fact that we have a nationally syndicated TV show personality picking fights in social media with teenagers for some stupid fucking reason.

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stpaulbear  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:21:22am

re: #522 jaunte

Why You Should Surround Yourself With More Books Than You’ll Ever Have Time to Read
inc.com

Gah. I’m a triple-threat per that article. I’ve got more books than I can read and more CDs and LPs than I can listen to, and I’m finding it impossible to not add to all three libraries.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:21:33am

re: #522 jaunte

Why You Should Surround Yourself With More Books Than You’ll Ever Have Time to Read
inc.com

Great point in the article. Trump doesn’t have a library, and has no idea has much he doesn’t know.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:21:52am

re: #524 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That’s a really weird place for a sex-swing.

Glad I wasn’t the only one thinking that.

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jaunte  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:23:12am

re: #533 Big Beautiful Door

Having a bunch of books around as a reminder of all the things you don’t know would definitely be out of character for a narcissistic disorder.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:23:46am
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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:23:48am
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calochortus  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:24:54am

re: #535 jaunte

Having a bunch of books around as a reminder of all the things you don’t know would definitely be out of character for a narcissistic disorder.

Can’t say as how I need a bunch of books (however many I may actually have…) to remind me of how much I don’t know. Being even moderately observant of the world around me reminds me of that daily.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:26:36am

re: #533 Big Beautiful Door

Great point in the article. Trump doesn’t have a library, and has no idea has much he doesn’t know.

His supporters seem to think he has all the knowledge of the world living in his brain. So they don’t care.

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jaunte  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:28:51am

Humans unite!

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wrenchwench  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:31:33am

re: #540 jaunte

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Humans unite!

Humans for Beto!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:33:12am
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Chrysicat  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:34:34am
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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:35:04am

re: #536 Stanley Sea

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That’s good news. Any time a musician gets stolen stuff back it makes me happy.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:35:37am

re: #542 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No white privilege to see here!//

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Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:36:22am
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KGxvi  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:36:44am

re: #489 Skip Intro

He’s knocked Amazon down around 125 with his non stop attacks. Is the media going to wake up and notice he’s trying to destroy an American company?

Rhetorical question again.

They’re too busy buying Amazon stock for the inevitable rebound. Which, actually, is probably the smart thing to be doing.

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Jay C  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:37:43am

FWIW*, the markets seem to have stopped their slide today ( tho it’s still early) so far the Dow seems to bottomed out around the 23,400 level. Down about 700 on the day, but it looks like the “floor” is holding up. For now.

*disclaimer: not much.

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calochortus  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:38:51am

re: #548 Jay C

FWIW*, the markets seem to have stopped their slide today ( tho it’s still early) so far the Dow seems to bottomed out around the 23,400 level. Down about 700 on the day, but it looks like the “floor” is holding up. For now.

*disclaimer: not much.

But who knows what will happen 10 minutes before the close? Buying? Selling? Brokers jumping out of windows?

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jaunte  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:40:06am
“Our military is at a level where it has never been before….The funding of our military was so important and so many military people are with us here today. Just think of $700 billion because that is all going into our military this year.”

Great Moments in American Oratory.

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KGxvi  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:40:35am

re: #503 calochortus

Best Buy and Walmart barely qualify as “buying local” anyway. There are fewer and fewer truly local purveyors of anything.

Restaurants are probably the last of the local shops. Be they franchises or independent.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:40:50am

re: #521 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wait, he’s got the Hitler one, right?

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:42:18am

re: #551 KGxvi

Restaurants are probably the last of the local shops. Be they franchises or independent.

And comic book stores. It’s such a niche market.

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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:43:44am

re: #546 Charles Johnson

And then these words of infinite wisdom:

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KGxvi  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:43:57am

re: #522 jaunte

Why You Should Surround Yourself With More Books Than You’ll Ever Have Time to Read
inc.com

Obligatory:

Time Enough at Last

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jaunte  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:44:58am

re: #554 BeachDem

He’s the tippity toppity of presidential prose stylists.

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Kragar  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:47:35am
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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:48:57am

re: #554 BeachDem

And then these words of infinite wisdom:

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I wish he’d broken out in song with “Tiptoe Through the Tulips”. That would have made it perfect.

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:52:29am

re: #463 wrenchwench

Between us, we have the LGF Resident Half Slovene. Adding back some of the weird.

Hey…you guys forget about me. I’m the other half!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:54:29am

re: #559 ObserverArt

Hey…you guys forget about me. I’m the other half!

I thought you were Slovak. You’re a Slovak-Slovene like my mom?

561
jaunte  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:56:07am

Any other Langobards in the house?

562
ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:56:27am

re: #478 HappyWarrior

I do wonder if he’s on the spectrum since Trumps anti vaccine fix is weird and wasn’t much a thing until Barron was born.

That was brought up before and was quickly shut down around here as a discussion. It fell under the do not touch the kids rule. Though it wasn’t about Barron as much as Trump’s bit about vaccines and autism.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 2, 2018 • 11:56:50am

re: #560 HappyWarrior

I thought you were Slovak. You’re a Slovak-Slovene like my mom?

ObserverArt is your mom, keeping an eye on you here.

564
Jay C  Apr 2, 2018 • 12:04:06pm

Dow has stopped falling - for now, anyway: looks like 23,400 is a “floor” level. So far.

3:00 - 23,487 (-615 / -2.55%)

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MsJ  Apr 2, 2018 • 12:08:14pm

re: #564 Jay C

Dow has stopped falling - for now, anyway: looks like 23,400 is a “floor” level. So far.

3:00 - 23,487 (-615 / -2.55%)

Almost 700 points down as of right now.

I remember trump saying 24k+ was good. And this was like two weeks ago.

Bravo republicans. Bravo.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 2, 2018 • 12:34:47pm

re: #562 ObserverArt

That was brought up before and was quickly shut down around here as a discussion. It fell under the do not touch the kids rule. Though it wasn’t about Barron as much as Trump’s bit about vaccines and autism.

Well you know I’m on it myself and I just wondered if that’s why Donnie is so weird about vaccines. Nothing wrong with Barron. He’s the most likable of the bunch.

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 12:35:14pm

re: #560 HappyWarrior

I thought you were Slovak. You’re a Slovak-Slovene like my mom?

I am…I was just joking around.

How many Americans know the difference? We are all “slo” something.

Yeah half Slovak, half German. That’s why I like both lager and pilsner beers!

568
ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 12:35:58pm

re: #563 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

ObserverArt is your mom, keeping an eye on you here.

Whut???

569
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 2, 2018 • 12:39:42pm

re: #568 ObserverArt

Whut???

You’re caught.

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2018 • 12:42:45pm

re: #569 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You’re caught.

I don’t get what you are talking about. Sorry. Can you explain…did I miss something?


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