The Bob Cesca Show: Smarter Moles

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Smarter Moles — NSFW; Buzz Burbank from Buzz Burbank News and Comment is here; Remembering 911; Trump bragged about having the tallest building; The Fear Convention of 2004; Obama’s tough love for young voters; More on the Anonymous officials inside the White House; Bob Woodward’s Fear; Gary Cohn and Trump’s Debt Ignorance; Pigman John Dowd said Trump is ‘disabled’; Trump plans to write his own history; Midterm polling confirms the Blue Wave; Trump tweet almost precipitated another Korean War; and so much more.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:28:37pm

From the previous thread:

re: #183 Citizen K

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:32:33pm

My Internet service went out last night you lucky devils. It was only just restored. (No, I won’t get a refund for the outage, because capitalism. Don’t like it, go to another company. Oh, wait, there isn’t one.)

That Time When Brett Kavanaugh Tried to Limit Compensation for 9/11 Families (goes to Wonkette, more at the link):

But don’t let Trump’s glorious heroism blind you to the courage of others’ contributions, like the important work Brett Kavanaugh did following 9/11/01, like when he helped frame thinking on how completely the Bush administration could screw Muslims in the USA (which he may have lied about in judicial confirmation hearings). Also, too, as early as October 2001, Kavanaugh was helping with plans to limit compensation of 9/11 victims to just $500,000, as the New York Daily News reported at the end of August.

As Congress was debating the parameters of the fund, Kavanaugh wrote to Bush aide Kristen Silverberg on Oct. 14, 2001, that questions were being raised about “3 aspects of our proposal” including a “$500,000 cap.”

Fortunately, Senator Chuck Schumer and others in Congress didn’t let that bullshit go through. The government eventually put in place a Victims Compensation Fund headed by Kenneth Feinberg, and there were no limits placed on the amount of compensation awarded to survivors and their family members. Feinberg

decided compensation based on a number of factors such as “the economic loss suffered as a result of the victim’s premature death” as well as “pain and suffering.”

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plansbandc  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:37:09pm

From the previous thread:

The moron liar in chief thinks we can solve the debt by printing more money. Pretty sure I learned how that shit didn’t work when I was about 10.

JFC

We have people who are coddling someone, one of the most powerful people on the planet, who doesn’t even have the common knowledge of an elementary school kid.

Imagine working for that piece of shit. Imagine supporting him in any way.

No wonder this shit is affecting my health. It’s absolutely fucking terrifying.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:38:52pm

I’m pretty sure that I’ve never made a face like that at any point in my life. Certainly never consciously…

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:39:21pm

re: #3 plansbandc

From the previous thread:

The moron liar in chief thinks we can solve the debt by printing more money. Pretty sure I learned how that shit didn’t work when I was about 10.

JFC

We have people who are coddling someone, one of the most powerful people on the planet, who doesn’t even have the common knowledge of an elementary school kid.

Imagine working for that piece of shit. Imagine supporting him in any way.

No wonder this shit is affecting my health. It’s absolutely fucking terrifying.

Libertarians: Well, it’s just “fiat” money anyway. None of it is really “worth” anything.

Bring back the gold standard!!uno!1!2!

Better yet, Bitcoin! Unhackable fiat bits and bytes!

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can't think of a decent username  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:40:28pm

re: #1 Belafon

From the previous thread:

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Well, that guy’s just a garden-variety Trumper/racist. He’ll never pay attention to anything you say. Most of them never will.

I just mute ‘em, block ‘em, report ‘em if they’re Nazis, and move on. (I’m getting to do a lot of that with the latest Comicsgate outbreak…)

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nines09  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:41:05pm

Cold Comfort.
The increasing militarization of this nation.
Jim Wright.
@Stonekettle

TWO YEARS AGO.

Renegade 911

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:46:20pm

re: #3 plansbandc

From the previous thread:

The moron liar in chief thinks we can solve the debt by printing more money. Pretty sure I learned how that shit didn’t work when I was about 10.

JFC

We have people who are coddling someone, one of the most powerful people on the planet, who doesn’t even have the common knowledge of an elementary school kid.

Imagine working for that piece of shit. Imagine supporting him in any way.

No wonder this shit is affecting my health. It’s absolutely fucking terrifying.

I could be charitable, and suggest that maybe he heard Paul Krugman state that you can’t go bankrupt if your debt is all in a currency you print, and misunderstood what he meant. But Trump’s stupider than that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:48:50pm

Looking at that photo of the moron-in-chief, it’s no big surprise why he is specifically not invited to weddings and funerals.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:50:03pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:50:15pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looking at that photo of the moron-in-chief, it’s no big surprise why he is specifically not invited to weddings and funerals.

Looks like he’s taking a tremendously big and tremendously wet shit.

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KGxvi  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:50:47pm

re: #3 plansbandc

From the previous thread:

The moron liar in chief thinks we can solve the debt by printing more money. Pretty sure I learned how that shit didn’t work when I was about 10.

JFC

We have people who are coddling someone, one of the most powerful people on the planet, who doesn’t even have the common knowledge of an elementary school kid.

Imagine working for that piece of shit. Imagine supporting him in any way.

No wonder this shit is affecting my health. It’s absolutely fucking terrifying.

I mean, technically, he’s right. But it’ll only work once. Then it turns into Argentina/Venezuela/pick your other favorite basketcase economy. And of course, being that the US dollar is the main reserve currency for the world, it’d probably be even worse/take the entire global economy down with it… and that would probably lead to a very big war, because that tends to be how the world gets out of global economic depressions.

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:51:19pm

re: #5 Anymouse 🌹

Libertarians: Well, it’s just “fiat” money anyway. None of it is really “worth” anything.

Bring back the gold standard!!uno!1!2!

Better yet, Bitcoin! Unhackable fiat bits and bytes!

My brother drove one of those in the 80s.

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plansbandc  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:54:41pm

I guess the reason why he doesn’t give a fuck about the environment is the same as most other things. He’s too stupid and greedy.

To me, no matter how wealthy you are, if you have a family, you might want to do things to help the environment, not poison it for your kids.

I think the dumbass just listens to one of his cronies talk about how oppressive and expensive all those regulations are and boom, more destruction.

Guess he really doesn’t give a damn about his kids and grandkids.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:54:42pm

Compassionate conservatism in action:

More Than 2,000 Puerto Ricans Applied For Funeral Assistance After Hurricane Maria. FEMA Approved Just 75.

FEMA approved just 3% of applications for funeral assistance from more than 2,000 Puerto Rican families who lost loved ones after Hurricane Maria, according to a letter the agency head wrote to Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

In response to an earlier letter from Warren, Brock Long, director of FEMA, wrote on Aug. 14 that as of July 30, his agency had received 2,431 requests for funeral assistance from Puerto Ricans related to the hurricane — they approved just 75 of them, meaning 97% have either been rejected or have not received a decision almost a year after Maria hit the island.

(more at Buzzfeed)

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plansbandc  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:55:27pm

re: #12 KGxvi

It’s been proven wrong historically many times.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:55:37pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

My brother drove one of those in the 80s.

I had a buddy in school who had an 850 Spyder—he always left it unlocked because “I’d rather they just take it than slit the top”. So I guess you could say it was hackable.

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KGxvi  Sep 11, 2018 • 3:59:57pm

re: #16 plansbandc

It’s been proven wrong historically many times.

Of course, and that’s my point about all the bad shit that comes after printing your way out of debt. The dollar crashes, inflation goes crazy, markets tank, and people break out the pitchforks and torches and/or the tar and feathers.

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:00:38pm

re: #17 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I had a buddy in school who had an 850 Spyder—he always left it unlocked because “I’d rather they just take it than slit the top”. So I guess you could say it was hackable.

This one was a hard top. Fortunately or unfortunately, my brother’s name is Tony. He gave it to my sisters, so he had to keep fixing it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:00:55pm

re: #5 Anymouse 🌹

Libertarians: Well, it’s just “fiat” money anyway. None of it is really “worth” anything.

Bring back the gold standard!!uno!1!2!

Better yet, Bitcoin! Unhackable fiat bits and bytes!

I think I blew some Goldbug’s mind when I told him that gold, like ‘fiat currency’ only has value because people think it has value - only a tiny fraction of all the gold in the world has any actual use beyond ornamentation or hoarding.

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:02:09pm

re: #18 KGxvi

Of course, and that’s my point about all the bad shit that comes after printing your way out of debt. The dollar crashes, inflation goes crazy, markets tank, and people break out the pitchforks and torches and/or the tar and feathers.

Tell Trump the people will break out the sand traps and the lawsuits. Then he might pay attention.

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KGxvi  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:02:23pm

re: #20 Blind Frog Belly White

I think I blew some Goldbugs mind when I told him that gold, like ‘fiat currency’ only has value because people think it has value - only a tiny fraction of all the gold in the world has any actual use beyond ornamentation or hoarding.

I’m impressed you got through to them. A lot of glibertarians that by into the gold standard don’t seem to understand that point. (I’ve had way to many arguments on that point to even count)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:07:03pm

re: #19 wrenchwench

This one was a hard top. Fortunately or unfortunately, my brother’s name is Tony. He gave it to my sisters, so he had to keep fixing it.

A friend of mine had a 124 Spider. She loved that car, kept it up really nice. Used to take it to a local garage that mostly serviced more exotic, but still Italian sports cars. One time she told me that her car was a Ferrari that day - the garage had put the smog sniffer up its tailpipe rather than the Ferrari they were supposed to be testing.

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BeachDem  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:07:53pm

re: #1 Belafon

From the previous thread:

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Well, as long as we’re bringing it back up, also from the last thread:

And, didn’t she threaten to ruin the chair umpires career during the rant?

But when Nadal said exactly the same thing to Ramos last year, no biggie.

Rafael Nadal lambasted chair umpire Carlos Ramos at his pre-quarter-final match against Roberto Bautista Agut at the French Open yesterday, saying he would “never chair another of his matches again.”

He confirmed that he had done so in the post-match press conference.

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plansbandc  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:08:50pm

re: #18 KGxvi

But my point is, he NEEDS to know shit like that. And he doesn’t.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:08:57pm

re: #22 KGxvi

I’m impressed you got through to them. A lot of glibertarians that by into the gold standard don’t seem to understand that point. (I’ve had way to many arguments on that point to even count)

I’m not sure I did, or if I did, that it stuck. They’re so fixated on the idea that gold has inherent value that they’ll return to it even if you prove it’s horseshit.

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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:10:15pm
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Jay C  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:10:27pm

re: #23 Blind Frog Belly White

A friend of mine had a 124 Spider. She loved that car, kept it up really nice. Used to take it to a local garage that mostly serviced more exotic, but still Italian sports cars. One time she told me that her car was a Ferrari that day - the garage had put the smog sniffer up its tailpipe rather than the Ferrari they were supposed to be testing.

There’s a reason why the old wheeze says FIAT stands for “Fix It Again, Tony!”…..

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BeachDem  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:12:13pm

re: #19 wrenchwench

This one was a hard top. Fortunately or unfortunately, my brother’s name is Tony. He gave it to my sisters, so he had to keep fixing it.

I had an 850 hatchback. Engine blew and I had to replace it. Then I got a flat tire and the frame collapsed around the jack. Good times.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:12:16pm

re: #20 Blind Frog Belly White

I think I blew some Goldbug’s mind when I told him that gold, like ‘fiat currency’ only has value because people think it has value - only a tiny fraction of all the gold in the world has any actual use beyond ornamentation or hoarding.

I get the same with any goldbug or silverbug. It only has value because we agree it has value (beyond industrial or artistic uses).

Gold and silver coinage are actually “fiat money” as well.

The claim is they are relatively scarce, so they have intrinsic value. Uranium is relatively rare and sells for about $26 a pound now.

My wife created Plutonium Pounds in the game “Nation States” because plutonium is relatively rare and money made out of plutonium would prevent hoarding.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:17:38pm

Issa is an eejit

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:17:54pm

re: #12 KGxvi

I mean, technically, he’s right. But it’ll only work once. Then it turns into Argentina/Venezuela/pick your other favorite basketcase economy. And of course, being that the US dollar is the main reserve currency for the world, it’d probably be even worse/take the entire global economy down with it… and that would probably lead to a very big war, because that tends to be how the world gets out of global economic depressions.

We-e-elll…. Not really. Our debt is denominated in our own currency, which we print. Those other countries borrowed money denominated in currencied they DON’T control. So, when their currency starts inflating, it has no effect on their level of debt. They can print all the Bolivars they want to, but their debt is in dollars.

But the point is a good one, that you can’t just print enough cash to cover a $21 Trillion national debt without fucking things up royally.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:19:49pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

Issa is an eejit

My guess he wants to go after RBG.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:20:35pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:22:43pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Issa is an eejit

Putin must have told him this would be a good distraction to get Kavenaugh through. (I don’t care if I spelled the name right, but it’s funny that speelchuk wants to make it Naughty.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:22:47pm
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KGxvi  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:22:50pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

The medical bit is dumb, but comes up occasionally because federal judges have life time appointments and thus tend to get old. But the bits about live streaming hearings at the appellate level isn’t terrible.

Also, I’d prefer lame duck retiring Congresscritters not go proposing new bills with less than six months in office.

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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:25:34pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:26:09pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Issa is an eejit

Article focuses on medical exams, buries the fucking lede like nuclear waste:

The bill also gives the president the power to appoint more than 50 additional judges to district courts across the country, including seven judges to the federal District Court for the Central District of California.

The House Judiciary Committee is expected to mark up the bill on Thursday, along with another piece of legislation introduced by Issa that adds five more judges to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and breaks it into four divisions — Northern, Middle, Southern and Circuit.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:27:06pm
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KGxvi  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:27:17pm

Oh, and then there’s this bit:

The bill also gives the president the power to appoint more than 50 additional judges to district courts across the country, including seven judges to the federal District Court for the Central District of California.

district courts are trial courts. they’re quite important because the trial record sets the appellate record. I wasn’t aware that the central district needed 7 new judges (it may well, it covers Los Angeles, Riverside, Orange, Santa Barbara, Ventura, San Luis Obispo, and San Bernardino Counties)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:27:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:29:41pm
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Brian J.  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:31:03pm

re: #3 plansbandc

From the previous thread:

The moron liar in chief thinks we can solve the debt by printing more money. Pretty sure I learned how that shit didn’t work when I was about 10.

JFC

We have people who are coddling someone, one of the most powerful people on the planet, who doesn’t even have the common knowledge of an elementary school kid.

Imagine working for that piece of shit. Imagine supporting him in any way.

No wonder this shit is affecting my health. It’s absolutely fucking terrifying.

So Cheeto Boy and the Ocasio groupies agree… and predictably, it’s about something obviously ridiculous to most sane people.

By the way, the polls have closed in the New Hampshire primary, and Levi Sanders has just over 1% of the vote in the first precinct to report (19 votes out of 1,512). It’ll be fun to watch Bernie’s only begotten son, the latest left-wingnut challengers in Rhode Island, and the Nixon-Williams-Teachout trifecta flame out this week.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:31:06pm

Whoa. I just saw a pic of Don Jr., and holy mother of god, but he’s a greasy little shit!

Looking at his hair reminded me of an exchange from the old “”Rules of Engagement” series, where Adam, the cute-but-dim guy shows up with his hair all slicked back. His fiancee said, “How much product did you use?”

He says, “Just like they said, a gob the size of a peach.”

She replies, “They said ‘a gob the size of a PEA!”

Jr. obviously used a peach-sized gob. And smeared some on his face….

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:31:52pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

As soon as the orange shitmound gets and releases a legit medical exam

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:34:24pm

re: #41 KGxvi

Oh, and then there’s this bit:

district courts are trial courts. they’re quite important because the trial record sets the appellate record. I wasn’t aware that the central district needed 7 new judges (it may well, it covers Los Angeles, Riverside, Orange, Santa Barbara, Ventura, San Luis Obispo, and San Bernardino Counties)

I was called for jury duty there once. I was in San Bernardino County. I had to get up at 4 AM to catch the bus to downtown LA for the thing where you can asked to be excused. I was, for the heinous journey it involved. A couple weeks later, I got a $100 check in the mail to cover my expenses. I kicked myself for passing on a very interesting, slightly profitable adventure. Lots of bus time, though.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:36:20pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:37:35pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

I was called for jury duty there once. I was in San Bernardino County. I had to get up at 4 AM to catch the bus to downtown LA for the thing where you can asked to be excused. I was, for the heinous journey it involved. A couple weeks later, I got a $100 check in the mail to cover my expenses. I kicked myself for passing on a very interesting, slightly profitable adventure. Lots of bus time, though.

The only time I ever got called for jury duty was when I was stationed on an aircraft carrier in the Med. According to Navy Regulations, a command is supposed to release you for jury duty regardless of where you are stationed, unless you are so-called critical personnel. My command wouldn’t release me. (Pretty much everyone on a deployed ship is critical, since if you’re gone there is no replacement for you.)

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:38:31pm

re: #44 Brian J.

So Cheeto Boy and the Ocasio groupies agree

Link?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:38:53pm

Just for the hell of it, here’s a masked out transparent PNG image of Trump doing his 9/11 fist pump, suitable for inserting into other situations.

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:40:42pm

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹

The only time I ever got called for jury duty was when I was stationed on an aircraft carrier in the Med. According to Navy Regulations, a command is supposed to release you for jury duty regardless of where you are stationed, unless you are so-called critical personnel. My command wouldn’t release me. (Pretty much everyone on a deployed ship is critical, since if you’re gone there is no replacement for you.)

That would have been an impossible commute. The court would have excused you too.

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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:41:33pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:41:35pm

Yes, the edges could be better, but I didn’t think spending a lot of time on this was a good idea. Or any time, really.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:42:22pm
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Brian J.  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:44:03pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

Link?

Here’s one example. Modern Monetary Theory is the idea, popular with the hard left, “that fiat currency is a social construct, and that there are therefore no fiscal limits on how much a sovereign currency-issuing nation can spend.”

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:45:24pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

What in the hell is the NRA guy talking about?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:45:28pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:45:46pm

A wag at Wonkette:

Trump says he has a plan in place for hurricane Florence.

I’m going to miss the Carolinas.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:48:45pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

What a horrible newspaper. Garbage.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:50:01pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Maybe they’d feel differently if they were carnictured as British rednecks.

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KGxvi  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:51:08pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Maybe they’d feel differently if they were carnictured as British rednecks.

Criminals. We all know all Australians are criminals, or descended from criminals, which is just as bad.

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:51:25pm

re: #56 Brian J.

Here’s one example. Modern Monetary Theory is the idea, popular with the hard left, “that fiat currency is a social construct, and that there are therefore no fiscal limits on how much a sovereign currency-issuing nation can spend.”

From there:

…Bernie Sanders’s former chief economic adviser…

Is this as close to Ocasio as it gets?

Got anything else?

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:51:30pm

This is not what we meant by “anyone could be president”:

Oscar De La Hoya I Might Run for President! … Seriously!
(TMZ Sports, more):

President Oscar De La Hoya?!?!

Don’t scoff — the boxing legend says he’s “very seriously” considering running for the highest office in the land … and he’s already putting together an exploratory team.

“I am actually very, very serious and I strongly feel that if a Kanye West can do it and announce and maybe tease the world that he would maybe one day wanna run for president, why not me?”

Obviously, Oscar has no experience as an elected politician — but as ODLH pointed out on “TMZ Live,” neither did Donald Trump.

So, what convinced Oscar to explore politics?

“I’ve had literally, over the years, ever since I became a professional in boxing, I’ve had millions of people tell me, ‘Look, why don’t you represent? Why don’t you stand up and have a bigger voice?’ And obviously, the biggest voice you can have is being president.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:51:30pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s clear that the NRA is just another conservative ideological organization not about gun owners rights. Really pathetic but not surprising given the path they’ve been on for decades.

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Brian J.  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:52:01pm

re: #63 wrenchwench

From there:

Is this as close to Ocasio as it gets?

Got anything else?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:53:30pm

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹

This is not what we meant by “anyone could be president”:

Oscar De La Hoya I Might Run for President! … Seriously!
(TMZ Sports, more):

I’m really tired of this shit and I’m sure I agree with ODLH on issues more than I don’t but stop this. We’re in the mess we are in large part due to delusional people with zero government experience thinking it’s easy. Run locally first ffs.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:53:47pm

re: #66 Brian J.

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Weak tea. If that’s the best you got, you really ought to retract your original post.

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Brian J.  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:54:22pm

re: #68 Blind Frog Belly White

Weak tea. If that’s the best you got, you really ought to retract your original post.

So Ocasio’s beliefs need defending from Ocasio herself.

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mmmirele  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:55:25pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

I was called for jury duty there once. I was in San Bernardino County. I had to get up at 4 AM to catch the bus to downtown LA for the thing where you can asked to be excused. I was, for the heinous journey it involved. A couple weeks later, I got a $100 check in the mail to cover my expenses. I kicked myself for passing on a very interesting, slightly profitable adventure. Lots of bus time, though.

I was called for federal civil jury duty in downtown Phoenix last year. It’s 25 miles one way in heinous rush hour traffic. I frankly hated it, hated the case we were on, hated the fact that my expensive legal education failed to get me off another jury panel, but the money was decent when it showed up. Worked out to about $60 a day. Oh and I still got my regular hourly (yet another reason I got picked for the jury, my employer counts jury service as part of community stuffs and judges love employers like that).

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:55:58pm

re: #69 Brian J.

So Ocasio’s beliefs need defending from Ocasio herself.

You have failed to show Ocasio believing in MMT. Take her name out of your mouth.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:56:46pm

Adam Clymer, veteran New York Times political reporter and editor, dies at 81

Adam Clymer, who covered national politics for the New York Times and other newspapers in a career that took him from the “Boys on the Bus” era of campaign-trail reportage to the hot center of the 2000 presidential race, died Sept. 10 at his home in Washington. He was 81.

He had pancreatic cancer, said his friend Rick Berke, a former Times colleague and the executive editor of the health news website Stat.

A crusty veteran of the Washington press corps, Mr. Clymer wrote books on President Ronald Reagan and Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), and spent decades covering the White House and the halls of Congress, where he often called lawmakers by their first names — “a reflection of how things used to be more cozy with reporters and politicians,” Berke speculated, “or, more likely, the fact that he had covered them for so long.”

(more)

Mr. Clymer was the reporter who called George W Bush a “major league asshole” not realising a microphone was on at the time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:56:57pm

re: #69 Brian J.

So Ocasio’s beliefs need defending from Ocasio herself.

You were asked to provide proof, and the nearest you can come is something we’ve all said - that the GOP has given up any standing to demand to know “How are you gonna pay for that?” - which is not even close to what you claimed.

You made the assertion, you failed to back it up when called on it.

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Brian J.  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:57:41pm

re: #71 wrenchwench

You have failed to show Ocasio believing in MMT. Take her name out of your mouth.

Check the thread. She clearly isn’t objecting when her supporters talk about MMT, she just didn’t use the name, but it’s pretty clear that’s what she means, and that MMT is literally the equivalent of saying “I can’t be overdrawn, I still have checks left!”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 4:58:21pm

re: #72 Anymouse 🌹

Adam Clymer, veteran New York Times political reporter and editor, dies at 81

(more)

Mr. Clymer was the reporter who called George W Bush a “major league asshole” not realising a microphone was on at the time.

Other way around AM. Dubya called Clymer a major league asshole. RIP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:00:35pm

re: #57 Belafon

What in the hell is the NRA guy talking about?

It’s Bongino so your guess is as good as anyone’s.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:00:36pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Other way around AM. Dubya called Clymer a major league asshole. RIP.

snopes.com

You’re right, I’m wrong.

Sorry bout that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:00:41pm

So much focus for a future freshman Congresswoman. She’ll learn and tbh I agree with her point about how the right acts like we can’t pay for better health care and education while being fine with deficit causing tax cuts to the select few.

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:00:43pm

re: #74 Brian J.

Check the thread. She clearly isn’t objecting when her supporters talk about MMT, she just didn’t use the name, but it’s pretty clear that’s what she means, and that MMT is literally the equivalent of saying “I can’t be overdrawn, I still have checks left!”

I’m not here to chase down your ‘pretty clear’ points for you. It looked to me as though she was saying, ‘If you can you this bullshit to pay for the military, you can use it to pay for schools.’

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:00:54pm

re: #77 Anymouse 🌹

snopes.com

You’re right, I’m wrong.

Sorry bout that.

S’all good.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:00:54pm

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹

This is not what we meant by “anyone could be president”:

Oscar De La Hoya I Might Run for President! … Seriously!
(TMZ Sports, more):

I was listening to a Spanish channel on the way home and trying to pick up what they were talking about regarding de La Hoya and the president. No, I don’t think he’ll win. But if I was in the Democratic party leadership, I would be talking to him about helping increase Latino voter registration and turnout.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:01:54pm

re: #66 Brian J.

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I’m not sure I see how that ties into the unlimited spending idea. She’s pretty much saying what we’ve said here.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:02:10pm

re: #79 wrenchwench

I’m not here to chase down your ‘pretty clear’ points for you. It looked to me as though she was saying, ‘If you can you this bullshit to pay for the military, you can use it to pay for schools.’

That’s exactly what she was saying and I 110% agree with her. FFS so much hate directed her way simply because she was endorsed by Bernie. If Ted Kennedy was still alive, he probably would have supported her too.

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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:02:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:04:51pm

MrBWS and his crews have arrived in Morganton, NC, where they will spend the night.
Initial staging areas are usually around Greensboro or Raleigh-Durham. We’ll know more tomorrow.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:05:24pm

re: #84 gocart mozart

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Hard to believe that was over ten years ago. Newt was just being his usual bullshitter self there though but it does show you something.

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Brian J.  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:06:27pm

re: #79 wrenchwench

I’m not here to chase down your ‘pretty clear’ points for you. It looked to me as though she was saying, ‘If you can you this bullshit to pay for the military, you can use it to pay for schools.’

Except that you can’t use that bullshit to pay for the military or anything else without running mammoth deficits (the CBO has our deficit of nearly a trillion dollars a year for fiscal year 2019, and only growing from there even without any recessions in the forecast).

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:07:08pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“Not racist.”
Yeah, right. Jackass might as well have drawn a bone in her nose.

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nines09  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:08:20pm

re: #88 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It’s more organized than you think.

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lizardofid  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:08:27pm

later all, g’night.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:08:31pm

re: #88 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“Not racist.”
Yeah, right. Jackass might as well have drawn a bone in her nose.

I am so fucking tired of people called out on racist shit whining about “PC.” Goddamn it, stop whining the fuck already. Oh and the same people who whine about political correctness become very PC when it’s somethign else. My brother linked me the other day on Instagram to a bunch of right wing babies complaining about Beto O’Rourke’s cursing. Fucking whiny hypocrites.

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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:08:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:09:37pm

re: #92 gocart mozart

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This would actually have weight if he didn’t vote with them on nearly every issue. Ben Sasse would make a great concern troll. The state of George Norris and Anymouse deserves better than that twerp.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:09:59pm

re: #74 Brian J.

Check the thread. She clearly isn’t objecting when her supporters talk about MMT, she just didn’t use the name, but it’s pretty clear that’s what she means, and that MMT is literally the equivalent of saying “I can’t be overdrawn, I still have checks left!”

As if deficit hawks can reliably turn to the right?

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:11:48pm

re: #87 Brian J.

Except that you can’t use that bullshit to pay for the military or anything else without running mammoth deficits (the CBO has our deficit of nearly a trillion dollars a year for fiscal year 2019, and only growing from there even without any recessions in the forecast).

Right. It’s stupid. According to all available evidence, so are you. Please excuse all the downdings I have bestowed upon you. I usually ignore the stupid.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:12:38pm

My wife suggests a book that took her about forty-five minutes to read …

Fifty Shades of Earl Grey: A Parody (goes to Amazon so it would make money for Mr. Johnson if you clicked this link and bought the book).

She notes the story includes cops on unicycles.

Young, arrogant tycoon Earl Grey seduces the naïve coed Anna Steal with his overpowering good looks and staggering amounts of money, but will she be able to get past his fifty shames, including shopping at Walmart on Saturdays, bondage with handcuffs, and his love of BDSM (Bards, Dragons, Sorcery, and Magick)? Or will his dark secrets and constant smirking drive her over the edge?

(paperback, hardcover, Kindle, .mp3)

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:13:05pm
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makeitstop  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:13:21pm

re: #72 Anymouse 🌹

Adam Clymer, veteran New York Times political reporter and editor, dies at 81

(more)

Mr. Clymer was the reporter who called George W Bush a “major league asshole” not realising a microphone was on at the time.

Wasn’t it Dick Cheney who called Clymer a major league asshole? Or am I remembering it wrong?

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:13:54pm

re: #88 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“Not racist.”
Yeah, right. Jackass might as well have drawn a bone in her nose.

The way her nose was drawn, the bone is implied.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:15:21pm

re: #98 makeitstop

Wasn’t it Dick Cheney who called Clymer a major league asshole? Or am I remembering it wrong?

Bush called Clymer it and Cheney said “big time” or something like that. I forget what made Bush so pissed off at Clymer tho.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:15:42pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

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Fat Man with little hands.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:15:44pm
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Skip Intro  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:18:19pm

re: #88 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“Not racist.”
Yeah, right. Jackass might as well have drawn a bone in her nose.

Well it is a Murdoch rag so why not?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:18:44pm

re: #103 Skip Intro

Well it is a Murdoch rag so why not?

I should’ve known.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:19:12pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:19:32pm

This thread is the best one on Twitter today, genius.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:20:33pm

re: #105 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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He didn’t even have his Dad’s endorsement from what I saw. Levi seemed like a bigger dick than his Dad from what I was reading.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:20:35pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:21:17pm

Well, that’s his right I suppose.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:21:45pm

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s hellbent on turning us back into the Industrial era isn’t he.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:22:44pm

re: #109 Anymouse 🌹

Well, that’s his right I suppose.

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Good. People can be reminded again that just because Trump is a 0 doesn’t change his D-.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:22:46pm

re: #106 gocart mozart

Yeah, it’s an in-depth study of right wing bad faith.

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Skip Intro  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:24:08pm

re: #109 Anymouse 🌹

Hopefully this will be a bad thing for Scott.

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makeitstop  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:24:36pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Bush called Clymer it and Cheney said “big time” or something like that. I forget what made Bush so pissed off at Clymer tho.

Right. I now remember people calling him ‘Big-Time Cheney’ for a while.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:24:46pm
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nines09  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:26:21pm

re: #109 Anymouse 🌹

“Ya know, Bush the Younger wasn’t a bad guy”….Sound of needle screaming across a vinyl record…….screaming……cars doors slamming…..rubber burning……sirens in the distance….

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:26:57pm

OT sort of: I just got a mailing from the City Commissioner’s office. I am going to be trained again for the fall elections. My ward leader and I agree that I should train for Minority Inspector. Now all I have to do is go to the session and be certified so I can sit on the election board.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:27:16pm

re: #116 nines09

“Ya know, Bush the Younger wasn’t a bad guy”….Sound of needle screaming across a vinyl record…….screaming……cars doors slamming…..rubber burning……sirens in the distance….

I’ve admit that I’ve been guilty of this but only because his successors have been so awful.

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Jay C  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:27:37pm

re: #41 KGxvi

Oh, and then there’s this bit:

district courts are trial courts. they’re quite important because the trial record sets the appellate record. I wasn’t aware that the central district needed 7 new judges (it may well, it covers Los Angeles, Riverside, Orange, Santa Barbara, Ventura, San Luis Obispo, and San Bernardino Counties)

Basically, it’s a court-packing scheme: figleafed, as these proposals usually are, by the unconvincing cover story of “efficiency” - it doesn’t take a leap of imagination to figure out what sort of judges the GOP are likely to stack the District Courts with: the sort who would make Brett Kavanaugh look like a leftist.
One should fervently hope this proposal goes nowhere before the midterms…

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nines09  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:28:22pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

I’ve admit that I’ve been guilty of this but only because his successors have been so awful.

Allow me;
He wasn’t that bad.
He hit me with an open hand.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:28:45pm

re: #117 PhillyPretzel

OT sort of: I just got a mailing from the City Commissioner’s office. I am going to be trained again for the fall elections. My ward leader and I agree that I should train for Minority Inspector. Now all I have to do is go to the session and be certified so I can sit on the election board.

Good on ya. Participation in the machinery of a democratic republic is the most important thing a citizen can do (not the endless military and veteran worship).

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:29:42pm

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹

Yes it is. I am doing something concrete and getting paid for it too. :)

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:29:49pm

re: #98 makeitstop

Wasn’t it Dick Cheney who called Clymer a major league asshole? Or am I remembering it wrong?

Yeah, he said it to Bush on stage at a rally.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:30:07pm

Hmmm…

“The only connection we have been able to make is that she was his immediate downstairs neighbor,” Meritt said. “And there were noise complaints from the immediate downstairs neighbors about whoever was upstairs, and that would have been Botham. In fact, there were noise complaints that very day about upstairs activity in Botham’s apartment. Botham received a phone call about noise coming from his apartment from the downstairs neighbor.”

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:30:33pm

re: #123 Barefoot Grin

Yeah, he said it to Bush on stage at a rally.

Oops, I see I’ve got it backwards. I remembered it the other way too.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:30:36pm

re: #120 nines09

Allow me;
He wasn’t that bad.
He hit me with an open hand.

Oh, I think he’s still awful. It’s just holy hell Trump is that bad.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:30:59pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

The sound of fingers furiously tweeting can be heard across the land… .

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electrotek  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:31:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:31:38pm

re: #124 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Hmmm…

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This whole thing stinks more and more.

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nines09  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:32:24pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

Oh, I think he’s still awful. It’s just holy hell Trump is that bad.

Never forget how bad something/someone was/is just because there is a bigger pile of shit to deal with.
Never.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:32:41pm

re: #128 electrotek

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I went to school with American Muslim classmates that day. We all were shocked by what happened. There’s a special place for Trump for that fucking lie.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:33:11pm

re: #130 nines09

Never forget how bad something/someone was/is just because there is a bigger pile of shit to deal with.
Never.

True, true and I hope that the voters remember that seeing Dubya with Scott.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:34:06pm

I don’t think HHS and Trump are really interested in reuniting the families they tore apart:

Federal government to greatly expand Tornillo shelter for unaccompanied minors (Texas Tribune)

The shelter will grow to 3,800 beds. It will now stay open through at least the end of the year, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:35:09pm

re: #133 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t think HHS and Trump are really interested in reuniting the families they tore apart:

Federal government to greatly expand Tornillo shelter for unaccompanied minors (Texas Tribune)

The shelter will grow to 3,800 beds. It will now stay open through at least the end of the year, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

They’re hoping we forget it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:37:09pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:39:35pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

True, true and I hope that the voters remember that seeing Dubya with Scott.

Where’s ¡HEB!?

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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:39:41pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

They’re hoping we forget it.

This is another reason to elect Beto. He’s been there. He couldn’t forget if he wanted to.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:40:02pm

The National Weather Service is telling people in Texas and Louisiana to keep an eye to the south for a forming tropical storm.

nhc.noaa.gov

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:40:35pm

re: #137 wrenchwench

This is another reason to elect Beto. He’s been there. He couldn’t forget if he wanted to.

There are so many reasons to elect Beto. I really think he’s part of the party’s future.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:41:57pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:44:05pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:44:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:44:12pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:45:38pm

The one tribute I never get tired of:

When New York Had Her Heart Broke

Later, lizards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:46:42pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:53:44pm

re: #124 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Hmmm…

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So now we have a noise complaint from Guyger or someone on her floor about Jean one floor above. We’re moving closer and closer to premeditation.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:55:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:56:26pm

re: #147 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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9/11 kitsch is some of the worst kitsch.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:57:55pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 11, 2018 • 5:58:26pm

re: #146 Targetpractice

So now we have a noise complaint from Guyger or someone on her floor about Jean one floor above. We’re moving closer and closer to premeditation.

My guess is she went to his apartment to abuse her police authority to deal with a personal noise problem, and things got out of hand.

Zimmerman walked, and he wasn’t even a cop.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:00:44pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:02:14pm

re: #117 PhillyPretzel

OT sort of: I just got a mailing from the City Commissioner’s office. I am going to be trained again for the fall elections. My ward leader and I agree that I should train for Minority Inspector. Now all I have to do is go to the session and be certified so I can sit on the election board.

DEEP STATE!

:-)

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:03:12pm

re: #150 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

My guess is she went to his apartment to abuse her police authority to deal with a personal noise problem, and things got out of hand.

Zimmerman walked, and he wasn’t even a cop.

That was my conclusion as well. She got home from work in uniform, hears noise coming from upstairs after she’d made a complaint earlier that day, and decides “I’ll go put the fear of God into him.” She gets upstairs and starts banging on the door, figuring the moment Jean sees her he’ll either become compliant and do whatever she likes or he’ll become combative and she can haul him in on whatever charges she feels like making up. The two have an argument, she pulls her gun with an intent on ordering him to comply, and then misinterprets his actions as “threatening.” So now she’s got a guy bleeding from two sucking chest wounds and no plausible excuse for why she was there, so she calls in a 911 and starts making up shit about how it was all a “mistake.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:03:49pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yet if the RNC gave you more money if you voted for him, you’d be fine with it Susan. Hypocrite much?

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Scout  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:03:59pm

Inserting ads in posts has some weird results:

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electrotek  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:04:06pm

Prominent New Yorker and DJ Erick Morillo on his most memorable night as a DJ:

“I was playing the closing party of the Space Terrace straight after September 11th,” he recollects. “I ended the night with Frank Sinatra’s ‘New York, New York’. People were crying and waving American flags, everybody was singing - it’s my most emotional memory as a DJ.”

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nines09  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:04:39pm

re: #147 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

World is awash in bad ink.
Imagine the beaches of the future.
Looking like hematoma ER’s
Far as the eye can see.
Bad ink.
Man is there bad fucking ink out there. They just may as well run a gun across the forehead with “Does this look like a bad idea” in cursive, with a “Curves forever” on the neck…
Or bad back of calf semi tribal drunken symbols meaning…NOTHING.
Summer in Walmart. I need darker shades.
Wait. Winter awaits…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:05:18pm

re: #95 wrenchwench

Right. It’s stupid. According to all available evidence, so are you. Please excuse all the downdings I have bestowed upon you. I usually ignore the stupid.

Per Brian, we need to select Centrists for every single seat in the House or we’ll suffer dire electoral consequences.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:05:51pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

That was my conclusion as well. She got home from work in uniform, hears noise coming from upstairs after she’d made a complaint earlier that day, and decides “I’ll go put the fear of God into him.” She gets upstairs and starts banging on the door, figuring the moment Jean sees her he’ll either become compliant and do whatever she likes or he’ll become combative and she can haul him in on whatever charges she feels like making up. The two have an argument, she pulls her gun with an intent on ordering him to comply, and then misinterprets his actions as “threatening.” So now she’s got a guy bleeding from two sucking chest wounds and no plausible excuse for why she was there, so she calls in a 911 and starts making up shit about how it was all a “mistake.”

I don’t think she’s going to walk. I think a jury is going to find her guilty. She shot a man in his house.

The problem is getting convictions of unarmed black men on the street.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:09:13pm

Just got home from the YMCA. We had to deal with another idiot shooting her mouth off about anyone wearing Nike apparel. She shot her mouth off about my socks. I thanked her and said because of her I will buy another dozen pairs. And she was really nasty with the YMCA workers. Idiot kept BSing about the Deep State running it. Oh she also babbled about Pizzagate and Q…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:12:14pm

re: #156 electrotek

Prominent New Yorker and DJ Erick Morillo on his most memorable night as a DJ:

I will always remember my fourteen year old/freshman in high school reaction when I got to third grade World History class, “Huh, was the pilot drunk?” I know that sounds silly considering that this was my generation’s Pearl Harbor/JFK Assassination but it was just like “No way someone did that on purpose.” They let us out early that day. I walked home and my mom’s folks were at our house. My Dad’s memory of it is pretty interesting too. He was listening to Howard Stern and thought it was an old re-run from the ‘93 first bombing. A couple years prior and this was my first ever trip to NYC, we stayed at a Marriott- my Dad worked for them at the time that was in the Twin Towers.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:12:45pm

re: #160 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just got home from the YMCA. We had to deal with another idiot shooting her mouth off about anyone wearing Nike apparel. She shot her mouth off about my socks. I thanked her and said because of her I will buy another dozen pairs. And she was really nasty with the YMCA workers. Idiot kept BSing about the Deep State running it. Oh she also babbled about Pizzagate and Q…

Be nice if people could mind their own fucking business.

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can't think of a decent username  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:12:48pm

re: #158 Blind Frog Belly White

Per Brian, we need to select Centrists for every single seat in the House or we’ll suffer dire electoral consequences.

Brian seems to have a problem with women, brown people, and the combination thereof.

He’d probably be happier with the Trumpers.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:14:48pm

re: #158 Blind Frog Belly White

Per Brian, we need to select Centrists for every single seat in the House or we’ll suffer dire electoral consequences.

If she weren’t endorsed by Sanders, he really would care less. The guilt by association thing pisses me off because it’s the same crap that the BBs do. It’s too bad because I like up to the minute his analysis on primary night but the pathological hatred of anyone who is endorsed by Sanders pisses me off.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:14:51pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:15:56pm

re: #158 Blind Frog Belly White

Per Brian, we need to select Centrists for every single seat in the House or we’ll suffer dire electoral consequences.

I’ll take a pass on that, thanks.

If my leftie butt can be elected twice in a town where there are more guns than people, in what is argued as the most conservative House district in the nation, I don’t think electing people to shift the Overton Window back to sanity is a problem here.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:16:11pm

re: #163 can’t think of a decent username

Brian seems to have a problem with women, brown people, and the combination thereof.

He’d probably be happier with the Trumpers.

I really don’t like the way he dismissed Alexandria as a stupid girl. Maybe she’s a little idealistic? But you know what, maybe we need that. I mean as much as Sanders rubs me the wrong way still, I think he did bring up legitimate issues.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:18:41pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

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A majority of the kids who are seniors in high school right now were born after 9/11. It’s been that long. I have a kid who was almost 6 months old when it happened, and another born 4.5 years later.

We should start the day with “It’s 9/11. I remember where I was,” and then go out the rest of the day. If you’re really interested, it’ll be on the history channel.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:19:36pm

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹

I’ll take a pass on that, thanks.

If my leftie butt can be elected twice in a town where there are more guns than people, in what is argued as the most conservative House district in the nation, I don’t think electing people to shift the Overton Window back to sanity is a problem here.

You do have a more administrative role than ideological role though to be fair from what I understand so it’s a little easy for them to swallow their pride and vote for your communits self wink. I’m for letting the people decide what they want from their representatives. Obviously Alexandria and Ayanna Presley in Boston’s constituents were eager for change from what they had in Congress for over 20 years. I liked HRC and I’m glad she was our nominee over Bernie but we do need some change.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:20:28pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

I really don’t like the way he dismissed Alexandria as a stupid girl. Maybe she’s a little idealistic? But you know what, maybe we need that. I mean as much as Sanders rubs me the wrong way still, I think he did bring up legitimate issues.

There was a WashPost ‘Fact Check’ done on her. I read it. They made the point that her performance is not significantly worse than most folks currently in Congress.

And when I read it, there were a couple things they called false which were, to my mind, basic campaign hyperbole, kind of like if you said, “Nobody in the working class is getting raises anymore” and someone called that false because even though that may be true for the majority, SOME people DID get raises.

And she’s 28, enthusiastic, charismatic, and we’ll see if she learns. I’m betting yes.

Meanwhile, you have slimy shitweasels like Ben Shapiro demanding she debate him.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:22:01pm

re: #168 Belafon

A majority of the kids who are seniors in high school right now were born after 9/11. It’s been that long. I have a kid who was almost 6 months old when it happened, and another born 4.5 years later.

We should start the day with “It’s 9/11. I remember where I was,” and then go out the rest of the day. If you’re really interested, it’ll be on the history channel.

My youngest brother was seven months old. It’s surreal as hell for me to think about how all these high school seniors were born after the 90’s. I was thinking about the 90’s today since we were remembering an old friend who died a few years back.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:22:13pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:22:29pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

You do have a more administrative role than ideological role though to be fair from what I understand so it’s a little easy for them to swallow their pride and vote for your communits self wink. I’m for letting the people decide what they want from their representatives. Obviously Alexandria and Ayanna Presley in Boston’s constituents were eager for change from what they had in Congress for over 20 years. I liked HRC and I’m glad she was our nominee over Bernie but we do need some change.

Ideology doesn’t really play into what I do, that’s true.

One trustee asked me last night before the meeting started about me being on television in Denver (she’d heard about it, but not seen it), “what were you doing there, protesting?”

“No, I was with a group of veterans rendering honours to Senator John McCain with Taps Across America.”

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:22:40pm

I suspect that if Ocasio-Cortez wants to keep her job, she’ll have to accomplish stuff. She’s proven that you can challenge the incumbent for that seat.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:23:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:23:38pm

re: #170 Blind Frog Belly White

There was a WashPost ‘Fact Check’ done on her. I read it. They made the point that her performance is not significantly worse than most folks currently in Congress.

And when I read it, there were a couple things they called false which were, to my mind, basic campaign hyperbole, kind of like if you said, “Nobody in the working class is getting raises anymore” and someone called that false because even though that may be true for the majority, SOME people DID get raises.

And she’s 28, enthusiastic, charismatic, and we’ll see if she learns. I’m betting yes.

Meanwhile, you have slimy shitweasels like Ben Shapiro demanding she debate him.

You know why Ben Shapiro wants to debate her? So he can get brownie points from his little fanbase about how he “destroyed” a socialist. Meanwhile, Alexandria’s actually running for an elected position where there’s actually accountability for her actions and not just a trollish smug douchebag on Twitter who always has the same lame “This is why Trump won” response to liberals calling right wingers out on their shit.

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Skip Intro  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:23:52pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

Well I know what’s on Fox tonight.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:24:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:24:36pm

re: #173 Anymouse 🌹

Ideology doesn’t really play into what I do, that’s true.

One trustee asked me last night before the meeting started about me being on television in Denver (she’d heard about it, but not seen it), “what were you doing there, protesting?”

“No, I was with a group of veterans rendering honours to Senator John McCain in with Taps Across America.”

I hope you know that I wasn’t trying to take away from what you do. You do great work and I hope that in your own way you show your neighbors that us liberals aren’t out to get them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:25:36pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

You know why Ben Shapiro wants to debate her? So he can get brownie points from his little fanbase about how he “destroyed” a socialist. Meanwhile, Alexandria’s actually running for an elected position where there’s actually accountability for her actions and not just a trollish smug douchebag on Twitter who always has the same lame “This is why Trump won” response to liberals calling right wingers out on their shit.

Ben Shapiro wants to debate her? He can do what anyone wanting to debate a politician during a campaign does: Run for the same seat.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:25:37pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:27:15pm

re: #180 Anymouse 🌹

Ben Shapiro wants to debate her? He can do what anyone wanting to debate a politician during a campaign does: Run for the same seat.

That’s what I said, and some Conservative FB friend said “Don’t you think her ideas are radical enough that she should have to defend them?”

So I said, “Louie Gohmert. Steve King. Trump. Ted Yolo.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:27:19pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:28:08pm

re: #180 Anymouse 🌹

Ben Shapiro wants to debate her? He can do what anyone wanting to debate a politician during a campaign does: Run for the same seat.

Yeah he does. And he’s too chicken shit to run for any office because the shitty things he’s said over the years would be brought up and he’d actually have to explain himself rather than crying on Twitter about it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:30:22pm

re: #182 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s what I said, and some Conservative FB friend said “Don’t you think her ideas are radical enough that she should have to defend them?”

So I said, “Louie Gohmert. Steve King. Trump. Ted Yolo.”

She should have to defend them which is why there’s a Republican running against her. I don’t know who the fuck Ben Shapiro thinks he fucking is that every left winger in the country should have to debate him. Besides his “debates” are about him gettign love from his fans thinking that he “destroyed” his opponent. If Ben actually had to really debate someone say on the floor on Congress without the ability to Gish Gallop, he’d be exposed as the empty suit he is. Alexandria as I said is actually running for office where she’ll face accountability if she fucks up. Ben lies his little ass off on Twitter and doesn’t face any real blow back because he’s just another asshole with an opinion.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:32:00pm

I have never mentioned this before for fear of being misunderstood, but one thing I remember about 9-11 was thinking that people needed to calm the fuck down. It was a terrible thing, but still just a terrorist attack, a criminal act. Our economic infrastructure, military capability, and most of the population were not substantially affected. In tangible effects, it was not in the same class as events like the Tokyo firebombing or the First Day on the Somme or, for that matter, the Flu pandemic of 1918. The death toll was smaller than the Battle of An Loc, in which I had personally participated. There would be war, but no rationing, no conversion of industry, no defensive mining of harbors, and no draft.
I think the media milked it for all the marketable pathos they could conjure up and I know that loved ones of some of the victims see it the same way. The Bush gang saw it as a heaven sent opportunity to mute critics, force their agenda on the world, and enrich their clients. They are still at it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:32:26pm

Let me put it this way, Alexandria should have to debate Ben Shapiro for the same reason why Ben Shapiro should have to debate me which is no reason at all. The difference between Shapiro and me is I KNOW I’m just another internet asshole with opinions.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:33:32pm

White Supremacists To Tucker Carlson: We’ve Got Your Back!
(Wonkette)
Oh, boy, Andrew Anglin of Daily Stormer is now weighing in on Tucker Carlson’s behalf over his diversity comments.

Apparently he posted an open letter to his Website, which Robyn Pennacchia drew the short straw over at Wonkette to go read.

She has the text of that letter in her article.

Tucker Carlson has been having a heck of a week, ever since he decided to go full 14 words on his show last Friday night and started demanding that all the “elites” explain to him why diversity is a good thing. While he’s been dragged by us and literally every other outlet on earth, he does have his supporters.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, those supporters are white supremacists.

Over on the Daily Stormer, Andrew Anglin, an actual Nazi, could not believe that anyone would dare suggest that Tucker Carlson was a racist simply for holding the same opinions about diversity as Andrew Anglin, an actual Nazi:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:33:43pm

re: #186 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I have never mentioned this before for fear of being misunderstood, but one thing I remember about 9-11 was thinking that people needed to calm the fuck down. It was a terrible thing, but still just a terrorist attack, a criminal act. Our economic infrastructure, military capability, and most of the population were not directly affected. In tangible effects, it was not in the same class as events like the Tokyo firebombing or the First Day on the Somme or, for that matter, the Flu pandemic of 1918. The death toll was smaller than the Battle of An Loc, in which I had personally participated. There would be war, but no rationing, no conversion of industry, no defensive mining of harbors, and no draft.
I think the media milked it for all the marketable pathos they could conjure up and I know that loved ones of some of the victims see it the same way. The Bush gang saw it as a heaven sent opportunity to mute critics, force their agenda on the world, and enrich their clients. They are still at it.

Well you do have to remember that we hadn’t been attacked on our soil so it was a bit stunning. I know what you mean about those other events. I think what bothers me is the Us against the world mentality that developed which was a shame after the world including our NATO Allies rallied behind us and I think a lot of Americans forget not only Americans died that day.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:35:43pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:36:03pm

re: #186 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I agree. I thought possibly the worst modern political decision was to declare a “war on terror.”

Aside from the absurdity of declaring war on an ideology, it elevated the attackers (who were criminals, not warriors) to the same status as a nation.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:37:44pm

re: #190 DodgerFan1988

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Fucking shitbags.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:42:14pm

David Roberts from Vox did a fantastic tweet storm about 9/11. I’m posting it in full here because David’s tweets are impermanent by his design. Here, the text will be saved. Hidden because 17 tweets.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:44:57pm

re: #190 DodgerFan1988

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A better midterm ad you could not design: The White House took money intended to clothe and shelter hurricane victims and spent it deporting asylum seekers.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:46:37pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

A better midterm ad you could not design: The White House took money intended to clothe and shelter hurricane victims and spent it deporting asylum seekers.

And the Puerto Rico fuck up all makes sense now. This wasn’t incompetence. It was something far worse.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:47:59pm

re: #193 teleskiguy

David Roberts from Vox did a fantastic tweet storm about 9/11. I’m posting it in full here because David’s tweets are impermanent by his design. Here, the text will be saved. Hidden because 17 tweets.

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That’s a good read. Good find dude.

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dangerman  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:52:16pm

re: #120 nines09

Allow me;
He wasn’t that bad.
He hit me with an open hand.

and the next guy used fists

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:57:12pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

And the Puerto Rico fuck up all makes sense now. This wasn’t incompetence. It was something far worse.

The money was taken before ‘this’ hurricane season. Not last year

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:57:29pm

His 15th tweet of the day.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:57:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:58:24pm

re: #198 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The money was taken before ‘this’ hurricane season. Not last year

Ahhh okay. Thanks. JFC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:58:30pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

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LOLOLOLOLOLOL

he’s livetweeting Dersh and Tucker Carlson.
of course.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:59:00pm

re: #199 teleskiguy

His 15th tweet of the day.

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You and Pence belong in a cell together.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:59:23pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

he’s livetweeting Dersh and Tucker Carlson.
of course.

Lazy fucker can’t even think for himself. He has to have Tucker and Dersh tell him what to think.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:59:24pm

re: #199 teleskiguy

His 15th tweet of the day.

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The GOP spent years going after Obama and now want to take credit for the economy recovery that started on his watch. I don’t remember the DNC ever suggesting that removing Obama from office would cause an economic collapse.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 6:59:59pm

#vacuousschreechmill

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:00:04pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

The GOP spent years going after Obama and now want to take credit for the economy recovery that started on his watch. I don’t remember the DNC ever suggesting that removing Obama from office would cause an economic collapse.

BEcaues the DNC wasn’t headed by a bunch of needy assholes who repeatedly put themselves before the country.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:00:21pm
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ipsos  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:00:26pm

Latest crap postings from my RW FB friends, all in unison: “millennials aren’t properly honoring/remembering 9/11!” “they didn’t say anything at my kid’s school today about it!”

It’s HISTORY for them. It’s SUPPOSED to become history for them.

On the 17th anniversary of the JFK assassination, I was in third grade. They didn’t interrupt the day for us to solemnly remember JFK. There wasn’t anything for us to remember yet.

Did I learn about JFK later on in history class? Of course. Have I been to the Sixth Floor Museum and stood on the grassy knoll and visited the museum at Columbia Point and stood at his grave at Arlington?

Yes to all of those things. But it will never be the visceral shock to the system for me that it is to my parents and was to my grandparents. That’s how history works.

In a couple of days, it will be the 117th anniversary of William McKinley’s assassination. That was a huge shock to the system for my great-great-grandparents, no doubt, especially because they lived in Buffalo. The day will pass all but unnoticed this year, because now it’s receded into history for all of us. That’s how history works.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:01:11pm

re: #206 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

#vacuousschreechmill

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Tomi, shut the fuck up. We have a right to protest. What those soldiers fight to protect is what separates us from tyranny. And it’s sickening that you, a person who knows nothing of what the military sacrifices hides behind military members to put down protesters.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:01:12pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:02:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:02:42pm

re: #209 ipsos

Latest crap postings from my RW FB friends, all in unison: “millennials aren’t properly honoring/remembering 9/11!” “they didn’t say anything at my kid’s school today about it!”

It’s HISTORY for them. It’s SUPPOSED to become history for them.

On the 17th anniversary of the JFK assassination, I was in third grade. They didn’t interrupt the day for us to solemnly remember JFK. There wasn’t anything for us to remember yet.

Did I learn about JFK later on in history class? Of course. Have I been to the Sixth Floor Museum and stood on the grassy knoll and visited the museum at Columbia Point and stood at his grave at Arlington?

Yes to all of those things. But it will never be the visceral shock to the system for me that it is to my parents and was to my grandparents. That’s how history works.

In a couple of days, it will be the 117th anniversary of William McKinley’s assassination. That was a huge shock to the system for my great-great-grandparents, no doubt, especially because they lived in Buffalo. The day will pass all but unnoticed this year, because now it’s receded into history for all of us. That’s how history works.

Was Pearl Harbor commemorated on 12/7/58? I’m sorry. I really am but this mentality sucks. We should never forget what happened that day but we do need to move on in a way too. Eventually, I’d like us to see 9/11 as just another day.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:03:17pm

re: #212 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Big difference between the two but you knew that didn’t ya AP?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:04:52pm

re: #214 HappyWarrior

Big difference between the two but you knew that didn’t ya AP?

And that’s a Fox-style scary-Obama Photoshop. AP seems a little wingnutty.

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plansbandc  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:05:54pm

re: #186 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Could not agree more, and the exploitation of that day infuriates me every year.

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dangerman  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:07:15pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

I am so fucking tired of people called out on racist shit whining about “PC.” Goddamn it, stop whining the fuck already. Oh and the same people who whine about political correctness become very PC when it’s somethign else. My brother linked me the other day on Instagram to a bunch of right wing babies complaining about Beto O’Rourke’s cursing. Fucking whiny hypocrites.

apparently everyone agrees that being a racist is bad
Because no one ever accepts it when they are called one

And since nobody ever admits they are in fact racist, there must not be any anymore

Problem solved long ago

So please stop calling us racists

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:08:12pm
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electrotek  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:10:44pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Was Pearl Harbor commemorated on 12/7/58? I’m sorry. I really am but this mentality sucks. We should never forget what happened that day but we do need to move on in a way too. Eventually, I’d like us to see 9/11 as just another day.

Oddly enough, Pearl Harbor wasn’t commemorated on 12/7/51 on the 10th anniversary due to the importance of Japan as a post-war ally.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:11:54pm

re: #219 electrotek

Oddly enough, Pearl Harbor wasn’t commemorated on 12/7/51 on the 10th anniversary due to the importance of Japan as a post-war ally.

And 67 years later, we have Trump who was born after Pearl telling PM Abe “I remember Pearl Harbor” as a justification for his idiotic trade policies.

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dangerman  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:13:33pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

That was my conclusion as well. She got home from work in uniform, hears noise coming from upstairs after she’d made a complaint earlier that day, and decides “I’ll go put the fear of God into him.” She gets upstairs and starts banging on the door, figuring the moment Jean sees her he’ll either become compliant and do whatever she likes or he’ll become combative and she can haul him in on whatever charges she feels like making up. The two have an argument, she pulls her gun with an intent on ordering him to comply, and then misinterprets his actions as “threatening.” So now she’s got a guy bleeding from two sucking chest wounds and no plausible excuse for why she was there, so she calls in a 911 and starts making up shit about how it was all a “mistake.”

All except the bold part

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dangerman  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:15:02pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Yet if the RNC gave you more money if you voted for him, you’d be fine with it Susan. Hypocrite much?

Cause money in politics is about something else and totally not about influencing the behavior of those elected

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:15:14pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Lazy fucker can’t even think for himself. He has to have Tucker and Dersh tell him what to think.

He’s a true representation of his base.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:16:24pm

re: #221 dangerman

All except the bold part

As much as I think she engaged in some stupidly deliberate actions, I don’t feel she went up there or pulled her gun with the intent of killing him. I’m at least willing to entertain the idea that she was prepared to abuse her power without leading to his death.

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dangerman  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:19:11pm

re: #159 I Would Prefer Not To

I don’t think she’s going to walk. I think a jury is going to find her guilty. She shot a man in his house.

The problem is getting convictions of unarmed black men on the street.

Just to add
Cops have shot and killed people in their own houses when theyve mistakenly gone into the wrong place

she wasn’t on duty
she didn’t even enter his house in the guise of performing police work

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dangerman  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:21:07pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

I will always remember my fourteen year old/freshman in high school reaction when I got to third grade World History class, “Huh, was the pilot drunk?” I know that sounds silly considering that this was my generation’s Pearl Harbor/JFK Assassination but it was just like “No way someone did that on purpose.” They let us out early that day. I walked home and my mom’s folks were at our house. My Dad’s memory of it is pretty interesting too. He was listening to Howard Stern and thought it was an old re-run from the ‘93 first bombing. A couple years prior and this was my first ever trip to NYC, we stayed at a Marriott- my Dad worked for them at the time that was in the Twin Towers.

When I first saw it I called up my pilot buddy
We thought a small plane. How the hell did….
Then it became clear it was bigger than a private plane
Then the second one hit…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:22:05pm

re: #227 dangerman

When I first saw it I called up my pilot buddy
We thought a small plane. How the hell did….
Then it became clear it was bigger than a private plane
Then the second one hit…

It was pretty stunning. Hard to believe that was almost twenty years ago.

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ipsos  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:22:19pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Was Pearl Harbor commemorated on 12/7/58? I’m sorry. I really am but this mentality sucks. We should never forget what happened that day but we do need to move on in a way too. Eventually, I’d like us to see 9/11 as just another day.

New generations have to make their own history. Nobody remembers the Maine these days except us history majors, and I’d have to look up the date (1898-ish?) to be sure I remembered it right.

Hell, I didn’t even get the date of McKinley’s assassination right upthread. He was shot on Sept. 5 and didn’t die until the 14th, because medical care sucked massively then.

I’m guessing not a one of us had any kind of memorial for McKinley last Wednesday? Which is as it should be. History has to move on.

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Interesting Times  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:24:20pm

re: #200 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Hahahaha (in “click to reveal” tags because NSFW):

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dangerman  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:24:23pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

My youngest brother was seven months old. It’s surreal as hell for me to think about how all these high school seniors were born after the 90’s. I was thinking about the 90’s today since we were remembering an old friend who died a few years back.

My dad died a few months before. I’m glad he didn’t see any of it

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:24:32pm

re: #225 gocart mozart

I’m with Ana Marie

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sagehen  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:24:35pm

re: #186 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I have never mentioned this before for fear of being misunderstood, but one thing I remember about 9-11 was thinking that people needed to calm the fuck down. It was a terrible thing, but still just a terrorist attack, a criminal act. Our economic infrastructure, military capability, and most of the population were not substantially affected. In tangible effects, it was not in the same class as events like the Tokyo firebombing or the First Day on the Somme or, for that matter, the Flu pandemic of 1918. The death toll was smaller than the Battle of An Loc, in which I had personally participated. There would be war, but no rationing, no conversion of industry, no defensive mining of harbors, and no draft.
I think the media milked it for all the marketable pathos they could conjure up and I know that loved ones of some of the victims see it the same way. The Bush gang saw it as a heaven sent opportunity to mute critics, force their agenda on the world, and enrich their clients. They are still at it.

You can’t discount what a difference it makes that NYC is NYC.

All the networks are headquartered here; they could film it from their own windows. And all the on-air personalities had personal friends and neighbors downtown, their kids went to school with people whose parents work at WTC. Lots of media people live downtown, where they could smell the fires. Jon Stewart, among others, had to move out of his apartment for more than 6 months until the toxic dust could be cleaned out of the place (and had to replace pretty much all the contents of his home).

Hurricane Maria killed and dislocated just as many people, but they weren’t New Yorkers so it gets way less attention.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:24:46pm

re: #229 ipsos

New generations have to make their own history. Nobody remembers the Maine these days except us history majors, and I’d have to look up the date (1898-ish?) to be sure I remembered it right.

Hell, I didn’t even get the date of McKinley’s assassination right upthread. He was shot on Sept. 5 and didn’t die until the 14th, because medical care sucked massively then.

I’m guessing not a one of us had any kind of memorial for McKinley last Wednesday? Which is as it should be. History has to move on.

Right. I mean I know it sounds insensitive but at some point, we have to move on. I know that comes off insensitive to the victims and their families but there’s just something about still acting like it was yesterday seventeen years later that bugs me. Maybe it’s because I don’t like what 9/11 was used for in the immediate years after.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:25:07pm

Hell, don’t even have to reach as far back as JFK. How many memorials these days do we see to the Challenger Disaster? Or the fall of the Berlin Wall? Most people who make the “Francisco Franco is still dead” joke these days probably don’t even remember why that was a joke in the first place!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:25:15pm

re: #231 dangerman

My dad died a few months before. I’m glad he didn’t see any of it

My godmother too.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:27:28pm

There’s a picture on iFunny that my 13 year old was showing me. He was covering up the top half, so you could only see the guy in the front making a delivery. The idea behind the picture was that you’re going about your day trying to do your job, when… and in the background was the Twin Towers right after the planes had crashed. And he’d misinterpreted the picture. He though the smoke was from clouds.

So I had to explain to him the significance of the picture, including that people were going about there daily routine up until it happened. He knows a bit more about it now, but part of me is glad that it’s not etched in his mind.

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ipsos  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:30:29pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

Right. I mean I know it sounds insensitive but at some point, we have to move on. I know that comes off insensitive to the victims and their families but there’s just something about still acting like it was yesterday seventeen years later that bugs me. Maybe it’s because I don’t like what 9/11 was used for in the immediate years after.

My local paper (WHICH SUCKS) devoted most of the front page today to… the 17th anniversary of 9/11?

It would be a bigger deal if they didn’t have so small a staff now that pretty much every day, they fill up most of the front page with big graphics and a single story, which often isn’t breaking news.

It was kind of refreshing, by contrast, to see the entire NY Post front page devoted to the Jets, while the Daily News did a small “WE’LL NEVER FORGET” and had actual news on the rest of the front page. New York knows how to move forward.

I will never wake up on a September 11 without having some visceral memory of the day. But it’s fine that my kids don’t, and why would I *want* them to wake up 70 years from now traumatized by something they weren’t even alive for?

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:30:34pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

You know why Ben Shapiro wants to debate her? So he can get brownie points from his little fanbase about how he “destroyed” a socialist. Meanwhile, Alexandria’s actually running for an elected position where there’s actually accountability for her actions and not just a trollish smug douchebag on Twitter who always has the same lame “This is why Trump won” response to liberals calling right wingers out on their shit.

So far is there any evidence that there is accountability for Republicans in Congress? They have gotten away with lies for years. Maybe November will finally show them paying a penalty — but I am not optimistic.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:31:27pm

You guys, understand something:

Florence is going to be bad.

People are going to die.

And the Federal government is going to have a really slow and shitty response to the disaster.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:31:28pm

Is this an actual Ben Garrison cartoon because it seems over the top even for him. (You have to look at the whole thing because there is a “surprise” on the bottom part.)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:31:33pm

re: #238 ipsos

My local paper (WHICH SUCKS) devoted most of the front page today to… the 17th anniversary of 9/11?

It would be a bigger deal if they didn’t have so small a staff now that pretty much every day, they fill up most of the front page with big graphics and a single story, which often isn’t breaking news.

It was kind of refreshing, by contrast, to see the entire NY Post front page devoted to the Jets, while the Daily News did a small “WE’LL NEVER FORGET” and had actual news on the rest of the front page. New York knows how to move forward.

I will never wake up on a September 11 without having some visceral memory of the day. But it’s fine that my kids don’t, and why would I *want* them to wake up 70 years from now traumatized by something they weren’t even alive for?

Exactly. It’s a historical event to your kids the same way it is to my niece just like the JFK Assassination and Pearl are for me.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:32:15pm

re: #241 The Vicious Babushka

Is this an actual Ben Garrison cartoon because it seems over the top even for him.

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Does Ben know that Trump would never date him? Nothing wrong with being gay but Ben’s fan fiction pictures of Trump are uh a little weird to say the least.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:32:25pm

re: #241 The Vicious Babushka

Is this an actual Ben Garrison cartoon because it seems over the top even for him.

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Nope, no closeted homosexuality here. No siree…

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:32:49pm

re: #240 Eclectic Cyborg

You guys, understand something:

Florence is going to be bad.

People are going to die.

And the Federal government is going to have a really slow and shitty response to the disaster.

My expectation is that the state response will be what carries the majority of the weight, which Trump will try to take credit for by saying that federal dollars went to helping the states.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:33:44pm

re: #244 Eclectic Cyborg

Nope, no closeted homosexuality here. No siree…

Not that there’s anything wrong with that. But man the guy clearly has the hots for Trump bad and it shows in his work.

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dangerman  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:33:51pm

re: #224 Targetpractice

As much as I think she engaged in some stupidly deliberate actions, I don’t feel she went up there or pulled her gun with the intent of killing him. I’m at least willing to entertain the idea that she was prepared to abuse her power without leading to his death.

Of course we’re just speculating
I guess eventually we will see
I hope so

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dangerman  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:36:41pm

re: #235 Targetpractice

Hell, don’t even have to reach as far back as JFK. How many memorials these days do we see to the Challenger Disaster? Or the fall of the Berlin Wall? Most people who make the “Francisco Franco is still dead” joke these days probably don’t even remember why that was a joke in the first place!

Every single goddamn mass shooting

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:36:51pm

I don’t know if Ben copied this, or if this is a parody of Ben’s Trump valentine. I honestly do not know.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:37:31pm

re: #239 Hecuba’s daughter

So far is there any evidence that there is accountability for Republicans in Congress? They have gotten away with lies for years. Maybe November will finally show them paying a penalty — but I am not optimistic.

I don’t know about that. My Republican Congresswoman is acutally having to fight to keep her seat. There’s definitely more accountability to a member of Congress than there is to a little prick who goes around gish galloping thinking he’s “destroyed” people.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:38:42pm

re: #238 ipsos

My local paper (WHICH SUCKS) devoted most of the front page today to… the 17th anniversary of 9/11?

Front page of my local paper today, which also sucks.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:39:18pm

Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski Go to War with Don Jr. Over Trump-9/11 Analogy (The Daily Beast)

On Tuesday’s Morning Joe, the host got more specific, citing the retweeting of Nazis and the reaction to Charlottesville as reasons why he feels Trump is hurting the country more than terrorists ever could. “That is tearing more at the fabric of America than attacks on the Twin Towers did. We rebuilt after that, we grew stronger after that, but this, to me, seems like a far graver threat.”

“Forget about knocking down buildings in the Financial District, forget about running planes into the Pentagon,” Scarborough said. “Those are tragedies, but those tragedies bring us closer together.” Quoting New York Times columnist Roger Cohen, he added, “America is an idea. Strip freedom, human rights, democracy and the rule of law from what the United States represents to the world and America itself is gutted.”

The comments drew a sharp rebuke from, among others, Donald Trump Jr., who demanded an apology from Scarborough “to the 3000+ families who lost loved ones on this tragic day.”

Sleazy Don Jr., trying to exploit the dead.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:39:45pm

re: #248 dangerman

Every single goddamn mass shooting

“No way to prevent this” says only nation where this keeps happening.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:40:10pm

re: #252 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski Go to War with Don Jr. Over Trump-9/11 Analogy (The Daily Beast)

Sleazy Don Jr., trying to exploit the dead.

Don Jr hiding behind the dead of a terrorist attack. Fucking coward.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:40:47pm

re: #253 Targetpractice

“No way to prevent this” says only nation where this keeps happening.

I’ve really come to despise guns. Like despise them. The gun culture especially.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:42:00pm

re: #254 HappyWarrior

Don Jr hiding behind the dead of a terrorist attack. Fucking coward.

As much as I don’t like Joe, I would have cheered if he’d said that back at Jr.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:43:06pm

re: #256 Belafon

As much as I don’t like Joe, I would have cheered if he’d said that back at Jr.

I wonder where Don Jr was after 9/11. Certainly young enough to enlist like so many other young men including my cousin’s half brother. Meanwhile the little shit acts like a tough guy posing with his guns on Twitter in front of the animals he klils.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:43:23pm

re: #253 Targetpractice

“No way to prevent this” says only nation where this keeps happening.

A Twitter search.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:43:26pm

re: #254 HappyWarrior

Don Jr hiding behind the dead of a terrorist attack. Fucking coward.

In the replies of the Jr. tweet in the article:

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mmmirele  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:43:31pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I know someone who was in FCI Beaumont on a conviction for illegal hacking during Rita. No, they were not evacuated. It was by all accounts horrible, not enough water and food, and he’s still got PTSD from the experience.

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dangerman  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:44:06pm

re: #253 Targetpractice

“No way to prevent this” says only nation where this keeps happening.

In a sense 9/11 was a they attacked us thing
While maybe half the country is perfectly fine with domestic mass shootings being the price the rest of us bear to protect their 2a rights

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:44:40pm

re: #259 Belafon

In the replies of the Jr. tweet in the article:

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Seriously fucking Don Sr looks like he’s about to go to the fair and eat all the funnel cake and cotton candy he can get, not you know remembering a deadly terrorist attack. If you want us to be serious about remembering 9/11, start with the fucking President who clearly wasn’t.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:45:37pm

What was Trump doing, or attempting to do in this photo op?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:45:40pm

re: #261 dangerman

In a sense 9/11 was a they attacked us thing
While maybe half the country is perfectly fine with domestic mass shootings being the price the rest of us bear to protect their 2a rights

I hate how paranoid we’ve gotten. It honestly wasn’t like that when I was a kid in the 90’s.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:46:07pm

re: #263 The Vicious Babushka

What was Trump doing, or attempting to do in this photo op?

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Someone told him that after his speech they’d be going to McDs or KFC.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:49:05pm

re: #252 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Mika takes a nice swipe at Jr as well.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:49:15pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:50:48pm

re: #239 Hecuba’s daughter

So far is there any evidence that there is accountability for Republicans in Congress? They have gotten away with lies for years. Maybe November will finally show them paying a penalty — but I am not optimistic.

Be a little optimistic; Nate Silver says that as of today the Democrats have a 79% chance of winning control of the House!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:51:42pm

re: #268 Big Beautiful Door

Be a little optimistic; Nate Silver says that as of today the Democrats have a 79% chance of winning control of the House!

Correct. And there’s definitely more accountability in an elected official than whatever Shapiro has is my entire point which is why you’ll never ever see him seek office.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:51:56pm

re: #267 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The end of the fiscal year is in 19 days.

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electrotek  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:52:28pm

re: #233 sagehen

You can’t discount what a difference it makes that NYC is NYC.

All the networks are headquartered here; they could film it from their own windows. And all the on-air personalities had personal friends and neighbors downtown, their kids went to school with people whose parents work at WTC. Lots of media people live downtown, where they could smell the fires. Jon Stewart, among others, had to move out of his apartment for more than 6 months until the toxic dust could be cleaned out of the place (and had to replace pretty much all the contents of his home).

Hurricane Maria killed and dislocated just as many people, but they weren’t New Yorkers so it gets way less attention.

Exactly.

Imagine if 9/11 happened in Tokyo, Hong Kong, Singapore, or even Dubai instead.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:52:43pm

re: #251 teleskiguy

Front page of my local paper today, which also sucks.

The top story in my paper was the Scottsbluff school board approved next year’s budget.

starherald.com

There is a “never forget” editorial on the op-ed page.

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BeachDem  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:52:50pm

We are truly living in Idiocracy:

NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine has directed the space agency to look at boosting its brand by selling naming rights to rockets and spacecraft and allowing its astronauts to appear in commercials and on cereal boxes, as if they were celebrity athletes.

Secretary of State: I’m Secretary of State, brought to you by Carl’s Jr.

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ipsos  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:53:25pm

re: #271 electrotek

Exactly.

Imagine if 9/11 happened in Tokyo, Hong Kong, Singapore, or even Dubai instead.

So much of it has become fear porn at this point.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:54:01pm

re: #273 BeachDem

We are truly living in Idiocracy:

NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine has directed the space agency to look at boosting its brand by selling naming rights to rockets and spacecraft and allowing its astronauts to appear in commercials and on cereal boxes, as if they were celebrity athletes.

Secretary of State: I’m Secretary of State, brought to you by Carl’s Jr.

Today’s bombing raid brought to you by Kellogs’ Frosted Flakes. Remember, they’re greeeeeeeeeat!

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:54:01pm

re: #268 Big Beautiful Door

Be a little optimistic; Nate Silver says that as of today the Democrats have a 79% chance of winning control of the House!

I do like this quote: Optimism is the foundation of courage.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:54:21pm

re: #273 BeachDem

We are truly living in Idiocracy:

NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine has directed the space agency to look at boosting its brand by selling naming rights to rockets and spacecraft and allowing its astronauts to appear in commercials and on cereal boxes, as if they were celebrity athletes.

Secretary of State: I’m Secretary of State, brought to you by Carl’s Jr.

STP and Penzoil stickers on the sides of rockets… .

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Citizen K  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:54:34pm

re: #268 Big Beautiful Door

re: #269 HappyWarrior

This presumes a fair election this November though. I’m fully expecting a whole lot of ratfucking to come.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:54:48pm

Today’s Drone Attack brought to you by McDonalds, did someone say McDonalds?

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:55:04pm

The Feds are gonna be all over the place after the hurricane because they’re red states

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Cheechako  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:55:04pm

re: #273 BeachDem

I’m sure United Airlines would like to have their name on the side of a rocket that blows up shortly after launch.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:55:17pm

re: #278 Citizen K

This presumes a fair election this November though. I’m fully expecting a whole lot of ratfucking to come.

I hear ya but I think we have a lot of angry people that is going to make said ratfuckery hard to do.

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electrotek  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:55:40pm
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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:55:59pm

re: #273 BeachDem

We are truly living in Idiocracy:

NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine has directed the space agency to look at boosting its brand by selling naming rights to rockets and spacecraft and allowing its astronauts to appear in commercials and on cereal boxes, as if they were celebrity athletes.

Secretary of State: I’m Secretary of State, brought to you by Carl’s Jr.

I don’t mind the astronaut part. As for the naming rights part, science fiction has been predicting that for a while. Even the Lost in Space movie had that.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:57:20pm

re: #261 dangerman

In a sense 9/11 was a they attacked us thing
While maybe half the country is perfectly fine with domestic mass shootings being the price the rest of us bear to protect their 2a rights

Lest we forget this “classic”:

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:58:23pm

re: #276 Belafon

I do like this quote: Optimism is the foundation of courage.

My representative is a Republi-cypher:

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

There is no polling I can find in my district between Rep. Smith and Paul Theobald (D).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:59:13pm

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

Lest we forget this “classic”:

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That one is so stupid because the hijackers were passengers too. That means they would have brought guns on board. What wingnuts and this really surprises me given that a lot of them do in fact have military experience don’t get is that the element of surprise is what works. You’re on an airliner especially early in the day as the first flight was, you’re not expecting that to happen. I don’t care what meatheads like Mark Wahlberg say. You have no idea what the fuck you’d do until you’re actually there.

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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:59:41pm
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Skip Intro  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:59:53pm

re: #268 Big Beautiful Door

Be a little optimistic; Nate Silver says that as of today the Democrats have a 79% chance of winning control of the House!

And what was he saying this far out in 2016? IGNORE THESE PEOPLE. THEY CONVINCE OTHERS NOT TO VOTE.

Damn it all, did we learn nothing from 2016?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 7:59:56pm

re: #286 Anymouse 🌹

My representative is a Republi-cypher:

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

There is no polling I can find in my district between Rep. Smith and Paul Theobald (D).

He’s probably safe unfortunately but I hope Theobald can at least make him remember that he’s got other constituents other than Republicans too. I’d love to be wrong though.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:00:10pm

re: #288 gocart mozart

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McWanker.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:00:36pm

The Onion’s front page right after 9/11.

My favorite is the little graphic they made that just says “HOLY FUCKING SHIT.”

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Skip Intro  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:01:17pm

re: #270 Belafon

The end of the fiscal year is in 19 days.

A new Trump first! MAGA!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:01:43pm

Immigrant bashing is a fairly common theme of the right wing 9-11 “observances”.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:02:28pm

re: #292 teleskiguy

The Onion’s front page right after 9/11.

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My favorite is the little graphic they made that just says “HOLY FUCKING SHIT.”

Eerie how they go ta lot right. It did turn into a bad Jerry Bruckheimer film. And the indecision as to who were at war with. God I remember the debates we had over Iraq in 10th grade history class. So many war hungry people who ended up embracing the opposite extreme when they saw that the war wasn’t working with Ron Paul’s stupidity.

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BeachDem  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:02:33pm

re: #251 teleskiguy

Front page of my local paper today, which also sucks.

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Yeah, nothing says honor like a golf tournament (if the yam had only known, he’d have gone to Vail instead of PA)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:03:10pm

re: #294 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Immigrant bashing is a fairly common theme of the right wing 9-11 “observances”.

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Todd, you’re a fucking idiot. If you want to jack off Trump, fine but do it in private please.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:03:52pm

re: #296 BeachDem

Yeah, nothing says honor like a golf tournament (if the yam had only known, he’d have gone to Vail instead of PA)

Today we remember the victims of 9/11 with commemorative pork grinds to piss off all the Muslims. //

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calochortus  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:03:56pm

re: #287 HappyWarrior

That one is so stupid because the hijackers were passengers too. That means they would have brought guns on board. What wingnuts and this really surprises me given that a lot of them do in fact have military experience don’t get is that the element of surprise is what works. You’re on an airliner especially early in the day as the first flight was, you’re not expecting that to happen. I don’t care what meatheads like Mark Wahlberg say. You have no idea what the fuck you’d do until you’re actually there.

That particular element surprise didn’t even last long enough for the 3rd plane to hit its target. Yes, the passengers were heroic, but at that point they had already learned they were going to die and decided to take the plane down before more people were at risk.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:04:09pm

re: #268 Big Beautiful Door

Be a little optimistic; Nate Silver says that as of today the Democrats have a 79% chance of winning control of the House!

Just a small dose of cold water: When I looked at 538 a week ago, the probability of winning the house was over 79%. And depending upon which version of the prediction you go by, the chance of winning goes down to 64%. So even with a optimistic projection, the optimism has to be tempered with the reality that we only win if we vote and get everybody we know to vote.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:04:14pm

re: #289 Skip Intro

And what was he saying this far out in 2016? IGNORE THESE PEOPLE. THEY CONVINCE OTHERS NOT TO VOTE.

Damn it all, did we learn nothing from 2016?

He was telling Democrats that he was seeing trouble in the polling when the other pollsters were saying everything was going well.

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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:05:28pm
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Skip Intro  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:06:23pm

re: #301 Belafon

I’m not seeing that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:06:44pm

Tropical Storm Olivia is twelve hours away from Maui.

prh.noaa.gov

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Cheechako  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:06:45pm

re: #273 BeachDem

We are truly living in Idiocracy:

NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine has directed the space agency to look at boosting its brand by selling naming rights to rockets and spacecraft and allowing its astronauts to appear in commercials and on cereal boxes, as if they were celebrity athletes.

Secretary of State: I’m Secretary of State, brought to you by Carl’s Jr.

The Space Shuttle Challenger: sponsored by Morton-Thiokol, maker of the world’s finest O-rings.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:06:56pm

re: #302 gocart mozart

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It’s all one fucking game to him. The quest for ratings. Well, he’ll be delighted should he ever go on trial, that will get plenty of them.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:11:05pm

re: #299 calochortus

That particular element surprise didn’t even last long enough for the 3rd plane to hit its target. Yes, the passengers were heroic, but at that point they had already learned they were going to die and decided to take the plane down before more people were at risk.

Right.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:11:15pm

The attack was seventeen years ago. As a reminder, we are still at war.

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:11:44pm

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:12:00pm
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BeachDem  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:12:52pm

FUUUUCCCKKK

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:13:04pm

re: #308 Anymouse 🌹

The attack was seventeen years ago. As a reminder, we are still at war.

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There are going to be people who die in Afghanistan that will have been born after the attacks. Next year’s seniors will be kids that were born after the attacks. My cousin’s boy who wasn’t even one years old when the attacks happened and a senior this year is thinking about enlisting in the Navy.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:14:27pm

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t know if Ben copied this, or if this is a parody of Ben’s Trump valentine. I honestly do not know.

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They’re both parodies of Garrison’s work.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:15:07pm

re: #313 Ace-o-aces

They’re both parodies of Garrison’s work.

Okay, I was going to say that was a bit too Trump-erotica even for Ben.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:16:07pm

Tami Lowrent is getting hammered by veterans:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:18:29pm

re: #315 Anymouse 🌹

Tami Lowrent is getting hammered by veterans:

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Good to see. I’m sure you’re tired of conservatives using vets to tell people they can’t say such and such thing too. It’s just really pitiful.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:18:53pm

Rich especially given these are the same people who whine about PC run amok. Yet think we need to be subservient to the flag.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:18:53pm

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Okay, I was going to say that was a bit too Trump-erotica even for Ben.

Speaking of god awful right-wing cartoonists…

This was Chuck’s response to the 2011 Norway mass shooting.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:19:02pm

re: #312 HappyWarrior

There are going to be people who die in Afghanistan that will have been born after the attacks. Next year’s seniors will be kids that were born after the attacks. My cousin’s boy who wasn’t even one years old when the attacks happened and a senior this year is thinking about enlisting in the Navy.

Since I was a Navy recruiter, I would note this.

Signing up for the military means you support what the government is doing wholeheartedly. That would mean supporting Trump and his enablers. That means going to war if Trump or the GOP congress decides we need to do that (or Trump got his feelings hurt by a tweet).

When I was in the Navy, I would have argued strongly for considering it. Now, not so much, until we have a stable government.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:21:12pm

re: #318 Ace-o-aces

Speaking of god awful right-wing cartoonists…

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This was Chuck’s response to the 2011 Norway mass shooting.

That was his fucking response to kids ambushed by a right wing psycho? Fuck him, I’d love to see how he’d react if his chickenshit right wing ass ever experienced that. And the Vikings aren’t exactly role models considering they raped and pillaged a lot of Europe* Right wing political cartoonists are so fucking sutpid.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:22:24pm

re: #319 Anymouse 🌹

Since I was a Navy recruiter, I would note this.

Signing up for the military means you support what the government is doing wholeheartedly. That would mean supporting Trump and his enablers. That means going to war if Trump or the GOP congress decides we need to do that (or Trump got his feelings hurt by a tweet).

When I was in the Navy, I would have argued strongly for considering it. Now, not so much, until we have a stable government.

I honestly don’t know the kid well enough to advise him one way or the other. His father, my cousin’s ex is a right wing jerk though.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:26:13pm

re: #320 HappyWarrior

That was his fucking response to kids ambushed by a right wing psycho? Fuck him, I’d love to see how he’d react if his chickenshit right wing ass ever experienced that. And the Vikings aren’t exactly role models considering they raped and pillaged a lot of Europe* Right wing political cartoonists are so fucking sutpid.

Remember the crowd you’re talking about are generally violent fuckers who think it’s wrong that they can’t beat up on anybody they feel like without getting in trouble with the law. This is the “might makes right” crowd which doesn’t feel comfortable unless they have a penis substitute jammed in a holster on their hip or slung over their shoulder. To them, the idea that people would recoil at the horrors of a mass shooting and not immediately scream for bloody vengeance is just unthinkable.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:27:12pm

re: #301 Belafon

He was telling Democrats that he was seeing trouble in the polling when the other pollsters were saying everything was going well.

He was actually saying that it was NOT a sure thing. Other aggregators were going as high as 98%

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:27:23pm

re: #323 Targetpractice

Remember the crowd you’re talking about are generally violent fuckers who think it’s wrong that they can’t beat up on anybody they feel like without getting in trouble with the law. This is the “might makes right” crowd which doesn’t feel comfortable unless they have a penis substitute jammed in a holster on their hip or slung over their shoulder. To them, the idea that people would recoil at the horrors of a mass shooting and not immediately scream for bloody vengeance is just unthinkable.

True, true. I honestly would love to see these people actually tested. I bet 99% of them shit their pants. It’s easy to act like a tough guy when you’re posing.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:28:18pm

re: #320 HappyWarrior

That was his fucking response to kids ambushed by a right wing psycho? Fuck him, I’d love to see how he’d react if his chickenshit right wing ass ever experienced that. And the Vikings aren’t exactly role models considering they raped and pillaged a lot of Europe* Right wing political cartoonists are so fucking sutpid.

Yes, Chuck was a conservative Christian, but here he seems to be lamenting the Scandinavians’ conversion from their ancient pagan ways. It’s just a bizarre cartoon.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:28:30pm

re: #321 HappyWarrior

I honestly don’t know the kid well enough to advise him one way or the other. His father, my cousin’s ex is a right wing jerk though.

The only advice is the enlistment oath.

“I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

I’m not too sure I would want to die in combat over a tweet.

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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:28:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:28:48pm

re: #324 Blind Frog Belly White

He was actually saying that it was NOT a sure thing. Other aggregators were going as high as 98%

Yeah Nate was actually a voice of caution in the whole thing. It was Professor Wang who I like that was far more overconfident. I still think a lot of funny business went down and I guess I do understand why people worry about that happening again. I just think we have a lot of pissed off people and that Republican fuckery won’t be able to overcome it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:29:12pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

The guards will bail and the prisoners will either die in their cells or “escape” and be hunted down and branded dangerous fugitives for just trying to survive. Then their sentences will be lengthened.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:29:38pm

re: #318 Ace-o-aces

Speaking of god awful right-wing cartoonists…

[Embedded content]

This was Chuck’s response to the 2011 Norway mass shooting.

That is sick. No one but a psychopath would have that type of reaction to such a shooting. Did some legitimate paper actually publish that cartoon? Or was it limited to his Twitter account?

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BeachDem  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:29:45pm

My candidate for governor, y’all:

Called in for hurricane duty, this guardsman and governor candidate now reports to his opponent

And since we’re talking about 9/11, a bit of James’ story:

Seventeen years ago, on Sept. 11, 2001, Smith was an officer with the Army Judge Advocate General’s Corps, working on legal matters involving the military. After visiting Ground Zero in New York, however, he felt it was his duty to fight. Smith resigned his commission as an officer of the National Guard and enlisted, beginning basic training at the age of 37. He embedded with the National Police Force and was ultimately awarded a Purple Heart.

washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:30:22pm

re: #327 Anymouse 🌹

The only advice is the enlistment oath.

I’m not too sure I would want to die in combat over a tweet.

I’m just saying. I don’t feel like giving advice to a kid I barely know and haven’t talked to that much over the years. If this were my own brother or someone I was closer with, absolutely.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:31:19pm

re: #330 GlutenFreeJesus

The guards will bail and the prisoners will either die in their cells or “escape” and be hunted down and branded dangerous fugitives for just trying to survive. Then their sentences will be lengthened.

I don’t believe convictions include “die in a hurricane.” I’m pretty sure that’s both cruel and unusual punishment.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:31:25pm

re: #326 Ace-o-aces

Yes, Chuck was a conservative Christian, but here he seems to be lamenting the Scandinavians’ conversion from their ancient pagan ways. It’s just a bizarre cartoon.

Wingnuts be strange people. They think we’re overly sensitive snowflakes yet my brother brought ot my attention an Instagram feed with a bunch of them whining about Beto O’Rourke’s swearing.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:32:20pm

re: #332 BeachDem

My candidate for governor, y’all:

Called in for hurricane duty, this guardsman and governor candidate now reports to his opponent

And since we’re talking about 9/11, a bit of James’ story:

Seventeen years ago, on Sept. 11, 2001, Smith was an officer with the Army Judge Advocate General’s Corps, working on legal matters involving the military. After visiting Ground Zero in New York, however, he felt it was his duty to fight. Smith resigned his commission as an officer of the National Guard and enlisted, beginning basic training at the age of 37. He embedded with the National Police Force and was ultimately awarded a Purple Heart.

washingtonpost.com

I’m guessing your Governor Trump Fanboy wasn’t doing anything close to that. Smith sounds like a great guy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:33:04pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

I’m just saying. I don’t feel like giving advice to a kid I barely know and haven’t talked to that much over the years. If this were my own brother or someone I was closer with, absolutely.

Yup, that’s a tough spot. That would be my answer if someone asked me, but I wouldn’t just offer it up to anyone considering enlistment.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:34:18pm

re: #337 Anymouse 🌹

Yup, that’s a tough spot. That would be my answer if someone asked me, but I wouldn’t just offer it up to anyone considering enlistment.

Right. Absolutely. I wouldn’t feel like enlisting with Trump in office either. Hell, I already jettisoned any plans to apply for federal work in the federal government and perhaps ever seeing how crazy our electorate turned out to be.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:36:27pm

Today, Library of Congress:

Veterans History Project Recognizes Gold Star Family Day with Legacy Panel

Gold Star Mothers and Families Day is the last Sunday of September.

The Library of Congress Veterans History Project (VHP) will commemorate National Gold Star Mother’s and Family’s Day with a panel of renowned experts who will discuss how families and organizations honor and preserve the legacy of the United States military members who died as a result of their service in war.

The “Gold Star Legacy” panel will be held on Tuesday, Sept. 25 at 1 p.m. in the Whittall Pavilion of the Library’s Thomas Jefferson Building, 10 First Street, S.E., Washington, D.C. There are various ways individuals, families, communities and the nation can remember and pay tribute to fallen heroes while honoring their families. The discussion will include ways to educate the general public on the term “gold star,” and how to show that a grateful nation will never forget the ultimate sacrifice those service members made.

The event is free and open to the public, but an RSVP is required and there may be special restrictions. The public may send an email to vohp@loc.gov with the Subject: “Gold Star Panel” for reservations.

(more, with a list of speakers)

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:37:33pm

Heckuva job, Trumpy.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:38:06pm

re: #340 jaunte

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Heckuva job, Trumpy.

It’s all that mean mayor’s fault. //

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gocart mozart  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:39:08pm
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:39:11pm

re: #331 Hecuba’s daughter

That is sick. No one but a psychopath would have that type of reaction to such a shooting. Did some legitimate paper actually publish that cartoon? Or was it limited to his Twitter account?

I don’t think Chuck was ever on Twitter. This piece of insanity was actually published.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:40:15pm

re: #343 Ace-o-aces

I don’t think Chuck was ever on Twitter. This piece of insanity was actually published.

Doesn’t surprise me given that racist Serena Williams one was.

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Teukka  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:42:53pm

re: #326 Ace-o-aces

Yes, Chuck was a conservative Christian, but here he seems to be lamenting the Scandinavians’ conversion from their ancient pagan ways. It’s just a bizarre cartoon.

Also, every Norwegian police officer has a service firearm and training to use it, and in some cases a service semi-auto weapon, but they have to be explicitly ordered to take them out of storage. As I recall they don’t carry regularly in order to more easily de-escalate situations they may encounter.

Swedish police carry a pistol, but local TAC and national SWAT cops may request a commanding officer to break out the CGA5P’s for a gig, and all officers with the training for the CGA5P can be ordered to carry it. I saw it after 2017-04-17. And they have strict rules as to when they may use their service weapons. Their first line of action is to try to de-escalate, but if they have to, they will use their firearms.

The CGA5P is the civilian version of the Ak5D, which is the Swedish version of the FN FNC assault rifle with certain modifications, mostly to adapt the weapon to the partially subarctic Swedish climate.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:51:33pm

This is weird for my small town …

I went to the park flagstaff and the village hall flagstaff to raise the flags just now.

At both locations two cars were sitting with people in them watching me. I guess I am getting paranoid or something. One from the village hall followed me home (wow, a whole block) then went back to the village hall.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:52:09pm

re: #345 Teukka

Every patrol car - here where I live in Colorado - has a semi-auto rifle *or* a short-barreled shotgun in them (depending on the preference of the officer driving the car). GUNZ!

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:53:55pm

re: #347 teleskiguy

Every patrol car - here where I live in Colorado - has a semi-auto rifle *or* a short-barreled shotgun in them (depending on the preference of the officer driving the car). GUNZ!

Our town marshal doesn’t carry a gun, in a town with more guns than people.

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can't think of a decent username  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:54:44pm

re: #325 HappyWarrior

True, true. I honestly would love to see these people actually tested. I bet 99% of them shit their pants. It’s easy to act like a tough guy when you’re posing.

They’d be helping the gunman shoot kids. Brevik is a hero to them.

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Teukka  Sep 11, 2018 • 8:56:12pm

re: #347 teleskiguy

Every patrol car - here where I live in Colorado - has a semi-auto rifle *or* a short-barreled shotgun in them (depending on the preference of the officer driving the car). GUNZ!

Here, the local TAC and National SWAT vehicles have the semi-auto CGA5P’s in a rack in the car, while ordinary police have to break theirs out from the precinct armory. And in other news, it seems they are beginning trials with Tasers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 9:01:57pm

The electrician called. He will be here later in the week (Wednesday or Thursday) to complete the rewiring of my house.

You lucky devils, my electricity will be off and you won’t have to put up with me.

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Teukka  Sep 11, 2018 • 9:02:09pm

re: #325 HappyWarrior

True, true. I honestly would love to see these people actually tested. I bet 99% of them shit their pants. It’s easy to act like a tough guy when you’re posing.

And the 1% that begin waving theirs risk getting shot by the cops because the cops assume he/she is one of the perps. Blue-on-blue situation. Wasn’t there an instance of an armed former service member at one of the US mass shootings who decided not to engage because he knew he’d risk friendly fire?

My SOP would be to go into recon mode, be the police eyes at the scene.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 9:03:16pm

re: #352 Teukka

And the 1% that begin waving theirs risk getting shot by the cops because the cops assume he/she is one of the perps. Blue-on-blue situation. Wasn’t there an instance of an armed former service member at one of the US mass shootings who decided not to engage because he knew he’d risk friendly fire?

My SOP would be to go into recon mode, be the police eyes at the scene.

I think you’re thinking of the guy who was present at the Giffords shooting. Not sure if he was former military or not but he wisely realized that it wasn’t a good time to play action movie hero.

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Teukka  Sep 11, 2018 • 9:05:57pm

re: #353 HappyWarrior

I think you’re thinking of the guy who was present at the Giffords shooting. Not sure if he was former military or not but he wisely realized that it wasn’t a good time to play action movie hero.

No, I think it was one of the instances where someone ran around firing a semi-auto rifle, maybe the radicalized couple?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 9:08:19pm

re: #354 Teukka

No, I think it was one of the instances where someone ran around firing a semi-auto rifle, maybe the radicalized couple?

Hmmm. Don’t recall. Would check but I’m about to call it a night. Doesn’t surprise me though.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 9:11:32pm

I think we’re going a little overboard here … the official account of Betty Boop (yes, she has one)

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2018 • 9:12:36pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 9:14:21pm

re: #352 Teukka

And the 1% that begin waving theirs risk getting shot by the cops because the cops assume he/she is one of the perps. Blue-on-blue situation. Wasn’t there an instance of an armed former service member at one of the US mass shootings who decided not to engage because he knew he’d risk friendly fire?

My SOP would be to go into recon mode, be the police eyes at the scene.

I don’t know if the person was a veteran, but there was a person with a concealed carry permit at the shooting in Tuscon (Rep. Gabrielle Gifford’s town hall meeting) who said he chose not to pull it out for that reason.

That’s the thing about all these “I’ll break out my six shooter” and take down (name someone): The real police have no idea who the criminal is and who the wingnut is.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 11, 2018 • 9:16:29pm

twitter.com (vacuous screech mill)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2018 • 9:18:30pm

re: #359 Anymouse 🌹

That’s my new favourite insult.

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sagehen  Sep 11, 2018 • 9:24:34pm

re: #292 teleskiguy

The Onion’s front page right after 9/11.

[Embedded content]

My favorite is the little graphic they made that just says “HOLY FUCKING SHIT.”

One of the stories pitched for that issue, that they ended up deciding it was a bridge too far, “Briefing from the press room at the Quadragon”.

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LastYearsMan  Sep 11, 2018 • 9:24:36pm

re: #199 teleskiguy

His 15th tweet of the day.

[Embedded content]

Yes, when a Ponzi scheme stops bilking suckers, it tends to collapse. Good job, GOP, gutting the US economy and setting it up for an ugly crash.

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MsJ  Sep 11, 2018 • 9:25:46pm

re: #151 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That is a damn big gator.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2018 • 9:30:38pm

re: #357 jaunte

[Embedded content]

I smell Russia. Payed? Oh and there are plenty of photos of HRC actually at Ground Zero.


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