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Dread Pirate  Aug 5, 2019 • 9:41:48pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 5, 2019 • 9:52:23pm

Arizona Man Upset about His Mother Being Blown Up (goes to Utah Outcasts, caution for adult language which scares conservatives, 8:17)

Arizona Man Upset About His Mother Being Blown Up

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 5, 2019 • 10:12:01pm

Charles, I can’t renember if you’ve ever posted any Porcupine Tree.

Porcupine Tree - Anesthetize - live (Tilburg, Netherlands) Full Song

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 5, 2019 • 10:25:28pm

On Saturday, my RW brother seemed to have come around to at least support red flag laws. Now I hear that this has turned out to be the standard GOP response to deal with mass shootings. So, my brother has once again proven that the entire Trump base consists of sheeple (his favorite word!) who go along with whatever the GOP hierarchy proposes, unless their Master the Orange Mussolini declares otherwise.

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austin_blue  Aug 5, 2019 • 10:25:41pm

The slobbering cocksucking by the R’s of the NRMA (National Rifle Maunufacturer’s Association) continues to amaze me. They have had Congressional Legislation sitting in Moscow Mitch’s in-box for 158 days, requiring common sense gun Legislation that is overwhelmingly supported by all citizens, and it has been blocked.

It’s not video games, it’s not mental health, it’s not prayer in schools, it’s the easy access to guns that you can load 30-round magazines into so that you can kill 9 people in under a minute that are available to committed young white men that are domestic terrorists.

This is not rocket science, this is a simple matter of public policy.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 5, 2019 • 10:29:16pm
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BigPapa  Aug 5, 2019 • 10:31:26pm

re: #2 Anymouse 🌹🎃

It started playing this and Wifey started asking way too many questions so I had to pull the plug.

Until it’s Safe Time.

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austin_blue  Aug 5, 2019 • 10:32:08pm

What a day. Good night all, sweet dreams if you are able.

Oh, and I lost $30,000 of my nest egg today!

Winning!

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BigPapa  Aug 5, 2019 • 10:33:04pm

I’ve already come to the conclusion that Red Flag laws are a big red flag. Might as well call it the Deju Vu Law.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 5, 2019 • 10:33:17pm

re: #6 Dread Pirate

Spicy. A war between the NRA and the Trump administration? Just in time for the 2020 elections?

Glorious. Bring it.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 5, 2019 • 10:41:55pm

re: #7 BigPapa

It started playing this and Wifey started asking way too many questions so I had to pull the plug.

Until it’s Safe Time.

They’re getting dragged in the comment section over this. (Rather unusual for them.)

Such crap like this will continue until the profit motive is taken out of things such as donating a body for scientific research.

I have a small non-zero chance I could develop vCJD due to the mad cow problem in western Europe when I was stationed there. I am already banned from donating blood. (This is also why I am opposed to an opt-out sort of option for organ donation proposed by some people: as of yet there is no way to detect the prions which cause the disorder.)

If I was to request my brain go to a neurology department to study that, some for-profit middleman might wind up selling it instead to some folks testing rifles or something.

Folks in the comments are rightly arguing that capitalism at any cost will reduce the will of people to donate their own bodies for research.

There is no need to blow bodies up to study the effects of IEDs, that excuse by the Army is crap. We know what happens to bodies when they are subject to high explosives.

Their argument was they were testing for weaknesses in armoured vehicles. Why weren’t they blowing up IEDs under armoured vehicles then?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 5, 2019 • 10:44:35pm

re: #9 BigPapa

I’ve already come to the conclusion that Red Flag laws are a big red flag. Might as well call it the Deju Vu Law.

An actual Red Flag law with teeth to remove firearms from the home of someone convicted of domestic violence would reduce the number of spousal murders.

They won’t do a damn thing about mass-murders.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 5, 2019 • 10:49:06pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 5, 2019 • 11:18:11pm

The penalty in this state for calling out white supremacy if you’re a state senator:

Get out of our party. You should be a Democrat.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 5, 2019 • 11:20:57pm

Her name is being floated as a possible challenger to Sen. Ben Sasse.

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Chrysicat  Aug 5, 2019 • 11:33:30pm

(His comment was in response to Bitmitigate and Epik being deplatformed).

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 5, 2019 • 11:42:10pm
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Dread Pirate  Aug 5, 2019 • 11:48:55pm
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Dread Pirate  Aug 6, 2019 • 12:02:11am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 6, 2019 • 12:11:35am

re: #16 Chrysicat

(His comment was in response to Bitmitigate and Epik being deplatformed).

Amazing how all these “free market conservatives” suddenly hate free markets when they rule against conservatives.

It’s almost as if they’re liars.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 6, 2019 • 12:14:14am

I was put out of office by a Nazi who ran against me for being an atheist.

How many Nazis have run on the Democratic line across the country? Oh right, none. Which guy was it who brought a Nazi to the State of the Union address? You, Rep. Gaetz.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 6, 2019 • 12:55:03am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 6, 2019 • 1:01:56am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 6, 2019 • 1:05:43am
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 6, 2019 • 1:08:18am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 6, 2019 • 1:10:20am

Mike Huckabee: Thoughts And Prayers Are ‘Only Thing’ That Will Stop Mass Shootings (Goes to Huffington Post)

The former Arkansas governor suggested the lack of thoughts and prayers is the real reason why mass shootings keep happening.

This weekend’s mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, have many people demanding that something be done to stop gun violence.

However, Mike Huckabee insists there’s only one solution to curbing the violence and it’s ― you guessed it ― “thoughts and prayers,” that time-honored solution of pretending to do something without actually doing anything.

(more)

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Chrysicat  Aug 6, 2019 • 2:00:33am

re: #26 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Mike Huckabee: Thoughts And Prayers Are ‘Only Thing’ That Will Stop Mass Shootings (Goes to Huffington Post)

The former Arkansas governor suggested the lack of thoughts and prayers is the real reason why mass shootings keep happening.

(more)

And yet, the people who pray in public MOST visibly, Huckachuck totally wants dead because they’re praying to the wrong god.

And make no mistake, this isn’t a call for more prayer behind closed doors, this is a call for mandatory prayer times for all white Americans.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 6, 2019 • 2:42:06am

Liz may finally get a chance to lock someone up in the tower:

Queen could be called in to sort Brexit mess as EU demands rethink

The Queen could be called upon to resolve a constitutional crisis over Brexit, should Boris Johnson stick with his current strategy.

The prime minister would put the monarch in an ‘unprecedented position’ if, as suggested, he refuses to leave Downing Street, despite losing a vote of no confidence over his attempts to ram through a no-deal Brexit.

[…]

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 6, 2019 • 3:06:27am

re: #26 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Immediately after the shootings, on my Facebook timeline one trumper posts one of those veteran-coffin sob-memes. It was clearly an attempt to divert attention thru empathy entrapment.

Today, another person (probable Trumper, definitely religious right) posted one of those prayer-memes about Je$u$ protecting children. I was so tempted to post a reply that the meme is worthless.

These, our fellow Americans, are full on, willfully, participating in a denial process.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 3:16:36am

re: #29 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

These, our fellow Americans, are full on, willfully, participating in a denial process.

The denial has been there, it grows with every mass shooting, after Sandy Hook it became a landslide

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Amory Blaine  Aug 6, 2019 • 3:18:21am

The video game argument is a staple because most of america is so fucking stupid, they think only america plays video games.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 3:30:43am

re: #31 Amory Blaine

The video game argument is a staple because most of america is so fucking stupid, they think only america plays video games.

We have more excuses than we do victims

video games
lack of prayer in schools
mental illness
decline in family values
rampant Satanism
rampant atheism
lack of discipline
and of course threats of
invasion
rape
drug dealers
white genocide

etc.

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MsJ  Aug 6, 2019 • 3:36:04am

Why we can’t have nice things: Drug companies making their own generics, selling them at higher prices than other generics…and thwarting competition, often paying competitors to stay out of the market. Awesome.

Lawmakers who created the modern generic-drug industry in the 1980s never imagined anything like this — brand-pharma companies maximizing profits by appearing to compete with themselves.

But it goes on all the time. In fact, there are now nearly 1,200 authorized generics approved in the U.S., according to the Food and Drug Administration. While these might look like products that would push prices down, authorized generics can be as profitable as, if not more profitable than, brand-name drugs.

Last year, authorized generics appeared at the rate of about once a week. High-profile examples in recent years included Mylan’s generic version of the EpiPen anti-allergy injector, introduced to soothe public outrage after the company raised the brand price 400%. In March, Eli Lilly said it would launch a less expensive generic of its Humalog insulin, whose branded list price has also soared.

Of all the ways drug companies try to protect sales as patents expire — changing doses, adding ingredients, seeking approval to treat new diseases — authorized generics are by far the most profitable, returning $50 for every dollar invested, research firm Cutting Edge Information calculated in 2015.

Tactics like this can “stave off generic competition and make sure that generics can’t get much of a foothold when they do get to market,” said Robin Feldman, a professor at the University of California Hastings College of the Law, who studies pharma policy. “That’s the game. And drug companies have become masters at this.”

Authorized copycats may help explain why relatively few true generics are reaching the market despite a surge in approvals, analysts say.

The 1984 Hatch-Waxman Act founded the modern generic business by establishing rules for safety and competition, including granting six months of market exclusivity to the first generic rival to each brand. The idea was to give the first mover a profitable head start to attack the established pill.

The mere threat of an authorized generic can also smother competition.

A 2013 Supreme Court ruling challenged deals in which brands blatantly paid rivals to keep generics off the market. So pharma firms came up with an alternative: They could would hold fire on an authorized clone if generic firms agreed to delay launching their products or gave some other concession, according to the Federal Trade Commission.

Both sides win. The brand stretches its monopoly beyond the life of the patent, while the generic firm avoids facing an authorized rival later on.

Authorized generics can generate outsize profits in yet another way: as a method to game Medicaid contracts that costs taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars a year, according to investigators for the Health and Human Services Department.

Brand-pharma companies routinely “sell” authorized generics to a corporate affiliate at a sharp discount, establishing an artificial wholesale price, said Edwin Park, a research professor who studies Medicaid at the Georgetown University Center for Children and Families.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 3:38:31am

re: #32 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We have more excuses than we do victims

video games
lack of prayer in schools
mental illness
decline in family values
rampant Satanism
rampant atheism
lack of discipline
and of course threats of
invasion
rape
drug dealers
white genocide

etc.

Drag queens

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 3:39:36am

re: #33 MsJ

Why we can’t have nice things: Drug companies making their own generics, selling them at higher prices than other generics…and thwarting competition, often paying competitors to stay out of the market. Awesome.

There are some things that the Free Market is jut not meant for: husbanding and exploiting resources, infrastructure, education and HEALTH CARE

It is fine when there are certain market mechanisms at work in these areas, but we cannot allow those who dominate the markets to establish the rules of play

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 3:40:04am

re: #34 HappyWarrior

Drag queens

oh gosh, forgot Teh Ghey Adgenda

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steve_davis  Aug 6, 2019 • 3:57:48am

re: #8 austin_blue

What a day. Good night all, sweet dreams if you are able.

Oh, and I lost $30,000 of my nest egg today!

Winning!

okay, you win for yesterday, I think. On those kinds of days, all you can do is console yourself knowing that there is absolutely nowhere safe to be, outside of cash, and you just can’t sit in cash forever.

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MsJ  Aug 6, 2019 • 4:09:41am

Interesting After Hours trading from the overnight. Everything up (some). Not to the level lost but interesting nonetheless.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 4:28:06am

re: #37 steve_davis

okay, you win for yesterday, I think. On those kinds of days, all you can do is console yourself knowing that there is absolutely nowhere safe to be, outside of cash, and you just can’t sit in cash forever.

not cash, precious metals

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 6, 2019 • 4:30:58am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 4:32:21am

re: #40 DodgerFan1988

Had the Dayton shooter targeted a GOP event, then there would be reason to suspect a political motivation, such as him apparently supporting the left. But he didn’t. Instead, CNN and others throw everything at the wall, no matter how tenuous.]

“He was a Warren supporter!”

And everybody knows how Pocahontas advocates White Genocide.

/

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Chrysicat  Aug 6, 2019 • 5:23:15am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 5:25:45am

re: #42 Chrysicat

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Neither Obama or Bush chuckled about the thought of shooting border crossers or suggested that immigrants were invaders. As for Obama, Kilmeade should look at all the times he and his co workers said he was a terrorist sympathizer. But Trump will always go back to the only real victim, him. It’s pathetic but it’s even more so how FNC constantly coddles his bullshit.

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 5:29:19am

re: #42 Chrysicat

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Less than 24 hours after the press got their “presidential” moment, here’s Donny back to acting like a spoiled brat.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 5:31:27am
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Chrysicat  Aug 6, 2019 • 5:35:50am

re: #45 DangerMan

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It would appear that former Congressman Jolly really did get out because he was an old-fashioned Republican and could recognise when parts of the Constitution were turning into a suicide pact.

Would that more of the Never-Trumpers thought that way too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 5:35:56am

re: #42 Chrysicat

“Did George Bush ever condemn President Obama after Sandy Hook. President Obama had 32 mass shootings during his reign. Not many people said Obama is out of Control. Mass shootings were happening before the President even thought about running for Pres.”

Funny that Obama mentioned nobody by name.

Nor did he ever refer to a foreign “invasion” or speak about murderers, drug dealers and rapists swarming over our borders…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 6, 2019 • 5:40:23am

And now this…

Facebook

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 5:46:41am

re: #5 austin_blue

The slobbering cocksucking by the R’s of the NRMA (National Rifle Maunufacturer’s Association) continues to amaze me. They have had Congressional Legislation sitting in Moscow Mitch’s in-box for 158 days, requiring common sense gun Legislation that is overwhelmingly supported by all citizens, and it has been blocked.

It’s not video games, it’s not mental health, it’s not prayer in schools, it’s the easy access to guns that you can load 30-round magazines into so that you can kill 9 people in under a minute that are available to committed young white men that are domestic terrorists.

This is not rocket science, this is a simple matter of public policy.

Hell if it was all those other things…they’re not taking any action on them either

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 6, 2019 • 5:52:13am

Lubbock’s Mr. Conservative sees all. He’s on to us.

Facebook Post

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 5:53:35am

re: #50 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Lubbock’s Mr. Conservative sees all. He’s on to us.

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Oh fuck off. But go ahead make conservatives the real victim as always you grifting old fuck.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 5:54:38am

re: #28 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Liz may finally get a chance to lock someone up in the tower:

Queen could be called in to sort Brexit mess as EU demands rethink

Trump taking notes:
We got no queen so I can probably get away with it

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:02:17am

re: #51 HappyWarrior

Oh fuck off. But go ahead make conservatives the real victim as always you grifting old fuck.

Don, who is a physician from a wealthy farming/banking/retail family, has called me an “elitist.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:03:12am

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Don, who is a physician from a wealthy farming/banking/retail family, has called me an “elitist.”

Elitist is just right wing code for “Someone who calls me out on my shit.”

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Archangelus  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:03:41am
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MsJ  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:04:14am

re: #46 Chrysicat

It would appear that former Congressman Jolly really did get out because he was an old-fashioned Republican and could recognise when parts of the Constitution were turning into a suicide pact.

Would that more of the Never-Trumpers thought that way too.

I read that as “Would more Never-Trumpers thought that way too” (meaning, would any think that way?) which made me LOL.

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MsJ  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:04:33am

re: #48 I Would Prefer Not To

And now this…

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Nothing there…what was it?

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Belafon  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:04:35am

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹🎃

An actual Red Flag law with teeth to remove firearms from the home of someone convicted of domestic violence would reduce the number of spousal murders.

They won’t do a damn thing about mass-murders.

The evidence has shown a direct correlation between domestic violence and mass murder

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:04:56am

re: #55 Archangelus

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Except that doesn’t fucking happen. Signed a guy who actually has deer in his backyard and not a right wing snob who hides behind absurdity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:06:44am

re: #55 Archangelus

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN -
If 100 spaceships invaded your backyard & Dems banned ray guns?
Your lawn would be overrun & trigger finger would tire.
That’s why we must keep the National Ray-gun Association strong & Trump in office.
To keep your lawn & your right to doomsday devices safe.

They can have my ray gun when they pry it from my cold, dead planet!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:07:53am

re: #58 Belafon

The evidence has shown a direct correlation between domestic violence and mass murder

The US military even had a rule banning members with a history of domestic violence from wearing a sidearm.

They could drive tanks, fly attack helicopters or launch missiles, but not tote a pistol.

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:08:13am

Trump’s right back at the white supremacist racist crap, attacking Obama because Trump (correctly) deduced that Obama was talking about Trump and Trump’s racist actions.

Trump is a white supremacist, and Obama called him out for doing nothing in the face of gun violence in the US. It’s also another reminder that one of Trump’s first actions in the WH was to roll back an Obama rule that made it harder for those with mental illness to get guns by feeding SSI mental health info into the gun database used for background checks.

Trump made it easier for those with mental illness to get guns.

The GOP doesn’t want to provide health coverage for those with mental illness with their ongoing assault on the ACA, Medicare, and Medicaid. They continue their assault on those with preexisting medical conditions (mental health is a preexisting condition).

The GOP would rather focus on video games despite fact that US uses video games at a lower rate than Japan or South Korea - which have almost no gun violence at all, let alone few if any mass shootings.

Why?

It’s the easy availability of guns. The GOP/NRA don’t want to change the calculus. They didn’t change it after Scalise was nearly assassinated. They didn’t change it after Giffords was nearly assassinated. Heck, they fought changing the laws after Reagan was nearly assassinated. They refuse to act after Sandy Hook.

The GOP/NRA solution to every act of gun violence is to demand more gun sales. Hannity proposes putting armed guards at every school and mall. He wants a fascist police state, even though Texas and Ohio are open carry states where anyone could get guns. Guns didn’t deter either El Paso or Dayton mass shootings. Guns enabled them with easy access to weapons of mass murder.

Strong gun laws are the answer. States should follow the NY, CA, or MA gun laws, which help result in low gun death rates in those states. If every state adopted those rules - aka a national policy - we’d see far fewer gun deaths. We’d even see fewer mass shootings. Why? Because all the empirical evidence shows that strong gun laws prevent gun deaths.

And for those bots and gun humpers who point to Chicago as a failure of strong gun laws, that’s actually counterfactual.

Many of the guns used in crimes in Chicago Illinois come from out of state - where the gun laws are weaker. It’s actually the evidence that strong nationwide gun laws would reduce gun violence everywhere, including Chicago.

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Chrysicat  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:10:34am

re: #57 MsJ

Nothing there…what was it?

Maybe Nikki Guerlain has you blocked on FB for some reason? It was her facebook post…mainly a screenshot of Echoplex Media’s Twitter response to Roosh tweeting on Friday that pants were invented for men and any woman who wears anything that has two leg-holes is an immodest you-know [and this part being unstated but it being Roosh nonetheless obvious] who deserves to have him rape her.

Echoplex said that it was a lot of words for “Nobody will fuck me”.

Nikki’s only addition to the screenshot was the words “Bahaha! So wordy!”

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:10:55am

re: #55 Archangelus

What would happen if 30-50 feral hogs came running into my yard while my kids were playing?

They wouldn’t, because there’s a damned fence keeping the hogs out. And I sure as fuck wouldn’t be firing at hogs when my kids could be in the line of fire and potentially be struck. You don’t fire at anything without looking at what is beyond where you’re pointing the barrel.

I’d trap the hogs, and then sell ‘em to an abattoir who’d turn ‘em into sausage and other swine goodness for those that are into such things.

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Chrysicat  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:12:37am

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Except that doesn’t fucking happen. Signed a guy who actually has deer in his backyard and not a right wing snob who hides behind absurdity.

We have ‘em too. If you have that many deer in your yard—and at times there are 20-plus in our 2.7 acres as the entire herd converges on it—it’s usually because you have no useful predators capable of taking down said deer. To include humans, because it’s already illegal to discharge a firearm there because the next house is less than 2 miles away.

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makeitstop  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:13:04am

re: #3 GlutenFreeJesus

Charles, I can’t renember if you’ve ever posted any Porcupine Tree.

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The first I ever heard them was when Charles posted ‘Fear of a Blank Planet,’ which has become one of my favorite songs. Stephen Wilson seems to be the heir to Roger Waters’ Dour Englishman in Rock mantle. I dig that.

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Belafon  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:13:10am
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jeffreyw  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:13:14am

Good morning!

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:14:52am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:16:07am

re: #67 Belafon

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Beto winning my heart back.

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:20:40am

re: #67 Belafon

Beto could take on Cornyn and win. Let him champion that in the Senate.

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Chrysicat  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:21:57am
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MsJ  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:23:12am

Housing price decreases has now hit Washington state. So both California and Washington are seeing this.

I have never, in all the time I have gotten real estate notifications (many years now), ever seen a price decrease in WA.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:23:25am

I, for one, would welcome a horde of lawn munching deer, since it would save me the time, fuel, and noise pollution of mowing the damn thing.

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Old Liberal  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:26:10am

re: #35 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are some things that the Free Market is jut not meant for: husbanding and exploiting resources, infrastructure, education and HEALTH CARE

It is fine when there are certain market mechanisms at work in these areas, but we cannot allow those who dominate the markets to establish the rules of play

There is no such thing as a free market. All markets have rules and those rule steer the results. I prefer to talk about what rules market you want, for example one where the rules promote competition among many buyers and sellers or a rules market that promotes less competition.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:27:06am

re: #72 Chrysicat

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We claim we need the 2A to stand against potential tyranny and then tell critics of police abuse to shut up and worship the military. They don’t want the 2A to fight tyranny, they want it to aid it.

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:30:56am

re: #69 lawhawk

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You got farmers who are watching the markets for their products dry up as China looks for imports from other nations, and Trump “standing with them” amounts to a check and empty promises. He’s been saying this shit for two years and nothing has changed except a lot more family farms ending up in the red or bankruptcy.

But yet…they’ll vote for him next year because “He’s standing up to China!”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:33:35am

re: #77 Targetpractice

You got farmers who are watching the markets for their products dry up as China looks for imports from other nations, and Trump “standing with them” amounts to a check and empty promises. He’s been saying this shit for two years and nothing has changed except a lot more family farms ending up in the red or bankruptcy.

But yet…they’ll vote for him next year because “He’s standing up to China!”

Or sure his policies hurt my farm but at least he’s keeping the ill eagles out and he likes God and hates abortion. The irony to me is the people who complain most about identity politics are the biggest adherents to it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:34:05am
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MsJ  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:37:16am

Dow is up 194.

I do not get the roulette wheel that is the stock market.

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:38:16am

re: #80 MsJ

Dow is up 194.

I do not get the roulette wheel that is the stock market.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:38:57am

re: #38 MsJ

Interesting After Hours trading from the overnight. Everything up (some). Not to the level lost but interesting nonetheless.

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Trump does this to help his short seller buddies.

Say something stupid to piss of China

Markets crash

His friends with $$$$ swoop in to buy everything

Wait a few days to recover

Sell/profit

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:39:32am

And note that stocks are up not because of anything that Trump or the Fed did, but because China has begun to stabilize the yuan. The message is pretty clear from Beijing: “We can bring down your whole economy and not break a sweat.”

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:40:29am

re: #74 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I, for one, would welcome a horde of lawn munching deer, since it would save me the time, fuel, and noise pollution of mowing the damn thing.

you need goats.

Does anyone know why the stock market is up today? I’ve been watching for 50 years and I have no idea. (I started young).

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Belafon  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:41:36am

Headline News had the banner saying that the Dayton shooter was retweeting extreme left posts. I’m thinking:
1. We still think these guns should not be available.
2. You do know that the left and right meet out back, right?
3. The image of him screaming “Death to corporate America” while killing citizens downtown doesn’t really make any sense.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:43:04am

re: #85 Belafon

Headline News had the banner saying that the Dayton shooter was retweeting extreme left posts. I’m thinking:
1. We still think these guns should not be available.
2. You do know that the left and right meet out back, right?
3. The image of him screaming “Death to corporate America” while killing citizens downtown doesn’t really make any sense.

Exactly. And I’ll add that he had a lot of the sexism rampant on the right too.

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b.d.  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:43:38am

Good morning Lizards:

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Belafon  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:45:10am

re: #84 I Would Prefer Not To

you need goats.

Does anyone know why the stock market is up today? I’ve been watching for 50 years and I have no idea. (I started young).

If you can’t figure out how to turn a profit on a war, you shouldn’t be in the stock market.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:46:36am

re: #62 lawhawk

Trump’s right back at the white supremacist racist crap, attacking Obama because Trump (correctly) deduced that Obama was talking about Trump and Trump’s racist actions.

Trump was made aware that he had to choke back his bile and go on record as being against White Supremacism.

But one cannot expect him to stay on script if he feels that he is being personally attacked or even simply insufficiently praised.

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:46:47am

Trump yesterday: “We need to get past partisanship.”

Trump today: “HOW DARE OBAMA CRITICIZE ME?!”

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:47:39am

Rest In Power, Toni Morrison

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:48:43am

re: #75 Old Liberal

There is no such thing as a free market. All markets have rules and those rule steer the results. I prefer to talk about what rules market you want, for example one where the rules promote competition among many buyers and sellers or a rules market that promotes less competition.

All those people who praise the Invisible Hand never really read Adam Smith, he made it clear that markets need to be regulated so that they benefit everyone, producers and consumers, employers and employees.

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Belafon  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:49:21am

re: #91 The Pie Overlord!

Rest In Power, Toni Morrison

I have only read Sula, but it was good enough I read it twice.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:49:48am

Misdirection & projection, as usual

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b.d.  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:51:13am

re: #94 The Pie Overlord!

Misdirection & projection, as usual

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My Lord, Donnie is extra pitiful this morning.

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MsJ  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:51:35am

Interesting: Official Cybersecurity Review Finds U.S. Military Buying High-Risk Chinese Tech

While its the major defense programs and operations that have dominated the headlines in the escalating cyber warfare standoff between the U.S. and its adversaries—China and Russia in particular, a new report issued by the U.S. military’s Inspector General has highlighted the “micro-purchases” of everyday IT equipment as a serious risk. In particular, the report focuses on the continued acquisition of products “with known cybersecurity vulnerabilities” and on products excluded from other branches of government but which had not been removed from DOD procurement lists—this includes Chinese surveillance technology that is now banned.

Despite U.S. Department of Defense strategists admitting that cyber risks now “keep them awake at night,” the IG report found that significant purchases of “COTS information technology items with known cybersecurity risks” were made last year. It is estimated that “70 to 80% percent of the components that comprise DOD systems are COTS items.” The heavily redacted IG report highlights “at least” $33 million of Government Procurement Card purchases of equipment from the likes of Lenovo, Lexmark and GoPro. As a result, it warns, “adversaries could exploit known cybersecurity vulnerabilities that exist in COTS items, and missions critical to national security could be compromised.”

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:53:12am

re: #95 b.d.

My Lord, Donnie is extra pitiful this morning.

It happens any time he’s forced to do something that he doesn’t want to and doesn’t immediately get fawning praise. He feels he has to put on his “tough guy” persona and rant away on Twitter.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:54:25am

re: #94 The Pie Overlord!

Misdirection & projection, as usual

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Not even a day later and he’s complaining again. He’s about as predictable as a sunrise.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:55:29am

re: #97 Targetpractice

It happens any time he’s forced to do something that he doesn’t want to and doesn’t immediately get fawning praise. He feels he has to put on his “tough guy” persona and rant away on Twitter.

It makes him look the opposite of tough. It makes him look like a teenage brat.

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Belafon  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:58:40am

Pay attention to the name.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 6, 2019 • 6:59:44am

re: #94 The Pie Overlord!

Misdirection & projection, as usual

Is this part of his “We all need to come together” message?

///

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:00:06am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

It makes him look the opposite of tough. It makes him look like a teenage brat.

It’s like every time in the past when he’s been forced to be “presidential,” his obvious resentment of being forced shows and kills any positive response to the exercise. So he falls back on the only positive feedback he can get, which is the fawning praise of his base who want to see him bullying “those people.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:01:19am

re: #100 Belafon

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Pay attention to the name.

He’s a great musician and I’m glad he’s on our side.

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makeitstop  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:01:41am

re: #100 Belafon

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Pay attention to the name.

I love this. (Hope it shows up correctly.)

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b.d.  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:01:42am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

It makes him look the opposite of tough. It makes him look like a teenage brat.

When is his next rally? That will start off sober but he can’t help himself, he’ll let his freak flag fly.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:01:52am

re: #97 Targetpractice

It happens any time he’s forced to do something that he doesn’t want to and doesn’t immediately get fawning praise. He feels he has to put on his “tough guy” persona and rant away on Twitter.

There’s also the need to stir up his angry supporters again after two days of inconvenient news that distracted from their angry-ness.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:02:26am

re: #105 b.d.

When is his next rally? That will start off sober but he can’t help himself, he’ll let his freak flag fly.

I don’t think his next rally will even start off sober.

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:03:44am

re: #101 Sir John Barron

Is this part of his “We all need to come together” message?

///

Speaking of coming together, Kellywise was also on F&F today, where she showed that commitment to putting aside partisanship…by whining that Warren isn’t being blamed for the Dayton shooting and promoting the viewpoint that “unity” means everybody needs to start “working with” Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:05:16am

re: #85 Belafon

Headline News had the banner saying that the Dayton shooter was retweeting extreme left posts. I’m thinking:
1. We still think these guns should not be available.
2. You do know that the left and right meet out back, right?
3. The image of him screaming “Death to corporate America” while killing citizens downtown doesn’t really make any sense.

Did the shooter like a “Feel The Bern” group on FB or something? That’s usually the angle with wingnuts.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:07:54am
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Sufficient unto the day...  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:09:26am

cnbc.com

“I think China is getting hurt significantly, much more than we are,” Kudlow said.

“The American economy is very strong. Theirs is not,” he added.

Since it’s Kuddles, that pretty much guarantees that we’ll be at 8%+ unemployment by Nov. 2020, and yet, somehow, the Chinese will be chugging along at a 7%+ growth rate.

That boy is the best predictor I’ve ever seen for the stock market. But it ain’t the way he thinks.

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:14:07am

re: #111 Sufficient unto the day…

cnbc.com

Since it’s Kuddles, that pretty much guarantees that we’ll be at 8%+ unemployment by Nov. 2020, and yet, somehow, the Chinese will be chugging along at a 7%+ growth rate.

That boy is the best predictor I’ve ever seen for the stock market. But it ain’t the way he thinks.

Meanwhile, the Fed Chairman’s warning that he was cutting rates to keep the US economy from stalling have already been forgotten by this pack of madmen who think that they can force China to its knees before the US economy crashes.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:16:49am

re: #112 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, the Fed Chairman’s warning that he was cutting rates to keep the US economy from stalling have already been forgotten by this pack of madmen who think that they can force China to its knees before the US economy crashes.

It looks like we have given China a button that makes the US markets go up and down like an elevator.

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:19:06am

re: #113 Decatur Deb

It looks like we have given China a button that makes the US markets go up and down like an elevator.

With an administration that is gambling that it can get to Election Day without the bottom falling out of the market.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:20:09am

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹🎃

An actual Red Flag law with teeth to remove firearms from the home of someone convicted of domestic violence would reduce the number of spousal murders.

They won’t do a damn thing about mass-murders.

It might also help with incels — and Connor Betts does seem like an incel.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:24:19am

re: #111 Sufficient unto the day…

“I think China is getting hurt significantly, much more than we are,” Kudlow said.

“The American economy is very strong. Theirs is not,” he added.

We punched them really hard in the fist with our face, followed by a blow to their kneecap with the pit of our stomach!

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:25:25am

So, the IT guy for one of the companies I teach for now has my Sony Vaio - and hopefully, with any luck, he can get it working again. For free!

He’s sitting on a ton of laptop and desktop parts, and he has absolutely nothing to do, so for him, this is one of those “challenge accepted” sort of things.

It’s an almost eight-year old laptop, so I’m not counting on it, but hey……if he can get it working again, that’d be great. And greatly appreciated.

Meanwhile, the Acer Aspire One antique seems to be running pretty good for the time being (knock on wood) after I loaded LUbuntu 18.04 on it (LUbuntu being a lite version of the Ubuntu OS, which is probably best for this old beast running an Intel Atom CPU).

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:29:18am

After more thought on the topic, “Red Flag laws” are actually a “red” herring: an effort to distract from regulation of the real culprits: weapons of war in the hands of citizens, large magazines, transfer of weapons without background checks, and straw purchases.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:29:20am

re: #62 lawhawk

the ‘count’ is a red herring

the only distinction between obama and trump that matters (on this topic) is:

He called for sensible gun control

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Decatur Deb  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:30:27am

Watching traffic here and all over the political net, you can see a determination that the mass-shooter problem has one cause and one path to solution. We hear it could be the means, could be the madness, could be morality, politics, culture, national character.

Why not all of them, Katie? We’re looking at synergistic drivers, and unplugging any of the them is likely to reduce the effect.

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:30:48am

re: #119 DangerMan

the ‘count’ is a red herring

the only distinction between obama and trump that matters (on this topic) is:

He called for sensible gun control

He called for sensible gun control, he didn’t promote hate towards any one group or race, and he actually sought bipartisan support rather than demanding “unity.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:31:08am
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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:34:22am

re: #77 Targetpractice

You got farmers who are watching the markets for their products dry up as China looks for imports from other nations, and Trump “standing with them” amounts to a check and empty promises. He’s been saying this shit for two years and nothing has changed except a lot more family farms ending up in the red or bankruptcy.

But yet…they’ll vote for him next year because “He’s standing up to China!”

hey if you want to sacrifice your farm, family and future for trump, have at it
btw - what’s your backup plan?
and don’t dare tell me waiting for a bailout is your plan

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:34:35am

re: #122 The Pie Overlord!

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Warren has never joked about hurting people. You yourself otoh openly decried more Hispanic children born in Texas than white ones. As the Uncle of a Hispanic child, fuck you and your party.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:35:35am

re: #85 Belafon

Headline News had the banner saying that the Dayton shooter was retweeting extreme left posts. I’m thinking:
1. We still think these guns should not be available.
2. You do know that the left and right meet out back, right?
3. The image of him screaming “Death to corporate America” while killing citizens downtown doesn’t really make any sense.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:36:18am

re: #125 DangerMan

On gender that seems to be the biggest intersection.

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:36:38am

re: #118 Hecuba’s daughter

After more thought on the topic, “Red Flag laws” are actually a “red” herring: an effort to distract from regulation of the real culprits: weapons of war in the hands of citizens, large magazines, transfer of weapons without background checks, and straw purchases.

“Red Flag” laws are a worthwhile endeavor, but they’re much like universal background checks in that they’re dependent on all levels of the system complying with the law. I’d have to see an actual proposal before I thought the effort was serious, because I don’t trust anything with teeth to meet with NRA approval.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:37:21am

re: #87 b.d.

Good morning Lizards:

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there’s no 2A for video games.

if they make you violent, as the R’s have been saying for what?, 20 years or so, why arent they passing legislation to restrict the hell out of them? they’ve had enough time

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William Lewis  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:37:52am

re: #122 The Pie Overlord!

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Sorry Crooked Johnny, but he was more misogynist than leftist. Rather like you; blatting whatever he thinks his so-called friends want to hear while plotting based on hate of a single group. Non-whites for you, Johnny, non-males for him.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:38:57am

re: #125 DangerMan

Are you suggesting that the grief starts, not with “Left” or “Right”, but with “extreme”? What are you, some kind of Center-invested milquetoast gradualist?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:39:22am

re: #129 William Lewis

Sorry Crooked Johnny, but he was more misogynist than leftist. Rather like you; blatting whatever he thinks his so-called friends want to hear while plotting based on hate of a single group. Non-whites for you, Johnny, non-males for him.

Exactly. It’s not like he targeted a big corporation or the local GOP. In fact, he targeted his sister. His sexism inspired this more than his economics views.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:39:52am

re: #88 Belafon

If you can’t figure out how to turn a profit on a war, you shouldn’t be in the stock market.

I can make money on war. It’s the fucking stupidity I’m have no idea how to monetize.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:40:24am

re: #106 Sir John Barron

There’s also the need to stir up his angry supporters again after two days of inconvenient news that distracted from their angry-ness.

it’s another way of telegraphing “ignore all that stuff i said on monday. didnt really mean it”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:41:11am

re: #132 I Would Prefer Not To

I can make money on war. It’s the fucking stupidity I’m have no idea how to monetize.

1. Buy a tent.
2, Start a revival.
3. Profit.

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:42:44am

re: #128 DangerMan

there’s no 2A for video games.

if they make you violent, as the R’s have been saying for what?, 20 years or so, why arent they passing legislation to restrict the hell out of them? they’ve had enough time

They suggested such during the 90s, but were stopped when the video games industry established the ESRB and began regulating themselves by putting ratings on the boxes. Hence why most of those “violent video games” have prominent markings that they contain violence and are not suited for children.

Meanwhile, the gun industry’s approach to self-regulation…is suggesting that you buy a .22lr for your kid to get him started earlier.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:44:58am

re: #135 Targetpractice

They suggested such during the 90s, but were stopped when the video games industry established the ESRB and began regulating themselves by putting ratings on the boxes. Hence why most of those “violent video games” have prominent markings that they contain violence and are not suited for children.

Meanwhile, the gun industry’s approach to self-regulation…is suggesting that you buy a .22lr for your kid to get him started earlier.

I actually think gaming made me appreciate life more. I’m a big MGS fan.

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William Lewis  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:45:08am

re: #134 Decatur Deb

1. Buy a tent.
2, Start a revival.
3. Profit.

Heinlein once said starting a religion was the fastest way to get rich if you could stomach the lies. His friend L Ron Hubbard said, “hold my beer”.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:45:26am

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

So, the IT guy for one of the companies I teach for now has my Sony Vaio - and hopefully, with any luck, he can get it working again. For free!

He’s sitting on a ton of laptop and desktop parts, and he has absolutely nothing to do, so for him, this is one of those “challenge accepted” sort of things.

It’s an almost eight-year old laptop, so I’m not counting on it, but hey……if he can get it working again, that’d be great. And greatly appreciated.

Meanwhile, the Acer Aspire One antique seems to be running pretty good for the time being (knock on wood) after I loaded LUbuntu 18.04 on it (LUbuntu being a lite version of the Ubuntu OS, which is probably best for this old beast running an Intel Atom CPU).

if it’s an overheating problem and you havent thought of it, my experience is if you can open up the bottom you may find the cpu has been totally covered by dust that has been sucked in over time.

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William Lewis  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:47:20am

re: #135 Targetpractice

They suggesting such during the 90s, but were stopped when the video games industry established the ESRB and began regulating themselves by putting ratings on the boxes. Hence why most of those “violent video games” have prominent markings that they contain violence and are not suited for children.

Meanwhile, the gun industry’s approach to self-regulation…is suggesting that you buy a .22lr for your kid to get him started earlier.

My son turned out to have little to no interest in real firearms (plenty of shoot’em’up video games though) but I did make him go out and use a .22 rifle long enough to teach the basics of safely handling a firearm. I should go over the rules with him again to make sure he still remembers them.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:47:33am

re: #122 The Pie Overlord!

@JohnCornyn
The Dayton killer was a left-winger, but don’t blame Sen. Warren.

did he quote her directly and repeatedly?

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Belafon  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:47:48am

re: #135 Targetpractice

They suggesting such during the 90s, but were stopped when the video games industry established the ESRB and began regulating themselves by putting ratings on the boxes. Hence why most of those “violent video games” have prominent markings that they contain violence and are not suited for children.

Meanwhile, the gun industry’s approach to self-regulation…is suggesting that you buy a .22lr for your kid to get him started earlier.

Ratings I have overlooked multiple times with my kids, who, btw, reluctantly fire a gun when I take them out to shoot (which I’ve only done a couple of times) just so they know how to properly handle one.

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Belafon  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:48:34am

re: #140 DangerMan

did he quote her directly and repeatedly?

And Senator Warren was targeting which group of people with threatening language?

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:50:00am

re: #138 DangerMan

if it’s an overheating problem and you havent thought of it, my experience is if you can open up the bottom you may find the cpu has been totally covered by dust that has been sucked in over time.

I’m fairly sure that’s what happened. And I think it’s also possible the CPU fan burned out somewhere along the line, which caused the problems.

Like I said, it’s an eight-year old machine, so I’d imagine there’s probably a ton of dust in there. Unfortunately, I don’t have the tools to open it up, and a few of the screws are damn near glued in there, LOL.

In the future, I’m thinking of a Raspberry Pi - I have almost everything, all I’d need is the keyboard. I can use my HDTV as a monitor, I have the mouse, I have a 32 Gb flash card that’s empty, though I need to get the SanDisk reader for it…..aside from that, I could run a Raspberry Pi machine. Probably be better, too.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:50:34am

re: #121 Targetpractice

He called for sensible gun control, he didn’t promote hate towards any one group or race, and he actually sought bipartisan support rather than demanding “unity.”

you are right of course
i said ‘only’ because anything else muddies the waters

we cant have a discussion about trump tempering or stopping his promotion of hate
we cant have a discussion about trump demanding unity

we can easily say: “you and mitch, where is your legislative solution”?

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:52:15am

re: #130 Decatur Deb

Are you suggesting that the grief starts, not with “Left” or “Right”, but with “extreme”? What are you, some kind of Center-invested milquetoast gradualist?

wow, did i say all that? /s

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:53:26am

re: #144 DangerMan

you are right of course
i said ‘only’ because anything else muddies the waters

we cant have a discussion about trump tempering or stopping his promotion of hate
we cant have a discussion about trump demanding unity

we can easily say: “you and mitch, where is your legislative solution”?

They don’t have one. Note that they’re not in any way addressing the bill currently sitting on Mitch’s desk, but instead promising that they’re gonna put forward proposals at some nebulous future date. Like always, their entire play is to wait out public outrage, wait until the fire dies down, then quietly drop the push for gun control by saying that it’s “not a priority.”

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:54:10am

re: #132 I Would Prefer Not To

I can make money on war. It’s the fucking stupidity I’m have no idea how to monetize.

actually stupidity is easy to monetize.

some of us have a sense of morality and humanity that won’t let us prey on other people no matter how easy it is

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retired cynic  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:54:54am

re: #55 Archangelus

Yell “BOO” and they will all leave.

Well. The deer would. Not sure about alien space ships.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:55:51am

re: #135 Targetpractice

They suggested such during the 90s, but were stopped when the video games industry established the ESRB and began regulating themselves by putting ratings on the boxes. Hence why most of those “violent video games” have prominent markings that they contain violence and are not suited for children.

Meanwhile, the gun industry’s approach to self-regulation…is suggesting that you buy a .22lr for your kid to get him started earlier.

right, but that self regulation obviously hasn’t worked, so when is congress gonna get on this!

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:56:13am

re: #137 William Lewis

Heinlein once said starting a religion was the fastest way to get rich if you could stomach the lies. His friend L Ron Hubbard said, “hold my beer”.

precisely

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Belafon  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:56:51am

re: #148 retired cynic

Yell “BOO” and they will all leave.

Well. The deer would. Not sure about alien space ships.

“I have a cold.”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 6, 2019 • 7:57:56am

In her weekly newsletter, my Republican congress-quitter shows that it’s not SOCIALISM if you own a tractor.

iqconnect.lmhostediq.com

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:03:01am

re: #149 DangerMan

right, but that self regulation obviously hasn’t worked, so when is congress gonna get on this!

Well, they are getting on the video game industry these days, but it’s not for violence. It’s for loot boxes or “surprise mechanics” as EA has dubbed them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:06:47am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

In her weekly newsletter, my Republican congress-quitter shows that it’s not SOCIALISM if you own a tractor.

iqconnect.lmhostediq.com

Last Monday, the Trump Administration opened the second round of applications for the Market Facilitation Program (MFP). MFP is designed to aid farmers and ranchers whose commodities have been directly impacted by foreign retaliatory tariffs, and President Trump authorized USDA to provide up to $14.5 billion in direct payments through MFP.

These payments will be made to mitigate the losses for non-specialty crops, specialty crops, and animal products. More information about eligibility and the application process can be found here.

so it is foreign retaliatory tariffs that are the culprit, not the clueless orangutan who started this trade war in the first place

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:14:21am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Last Monday, the Trump Administration opened the second round of applications for the Market Facilitation Program (MFP). MFP is designed to aid farmers and ranchers whose commodities have been directly impacted by foreign retaliatory tariffs, and President Trump authorized USDA to provide up to $14.5 billion in direct payments through MFP.

These payments will be made to mitigate the losses for non-specialty crops, specialty crops, and animal products. More information about eligibility and the application process can be found here.

so it is foreign retaliatory tariffs that are the culprit, not the clueless orangutan who started this trade war in the first place

What if China did not institute retaliatory tariffs but just refused to purchase anything from the US? What then? Would the farmers still be eligible for these subsidies?

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:14:53am
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makeitstop  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:15:47am

re: #155 Hecuba’s daughter

What if China did not institute retaliatory tariffs but just refused to purchase anything from the US? What then? Would the farmers still be eligible for these subsidies?

Didn’t they just do that?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:17:21am

re: #156 The Pie Overlord!

She’s going for “No True Leftist”, there.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:17:48am

re: #156 The Pie Overlord!

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Correct. Sexism may transcend ideology but he was a sexist above all else and the proof is in who he murdered.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:18:47am

re: #158 Decatur Deb

She’s going for “No True Leftist”, there.

No. She’s pointing out that his sexism not his leftism led him to kill people. Ted Bundy was an active Republican. That had nothing to do with his murders.

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Teukka  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:19:16am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Last Monday, the Trump Administration opened the second round of applications for the Market Facilitation Program (MFP). MFP is designed to aid farmers and ranchers whose commodities have been directly impacted by foreign retaliatory tariffs, and President Trump authorized USDA to provide up to $14.5 billion in direct payments through MFP.

These payments will be made to mitigate the losses for non-specialty crops, specialty crops, and animal products. More information about eligibility and the application process can be found here.

so it is foreign retaliatory tariffs that are the culprit, not the clueless orangutan who started this trade war in the first place

I.e. “The fight began when China struck back”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:19:30am

If he targeted Wall Street, Banks, etc, there would be a point. He went after his sister.

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:19:51am

re: #155 Hecuba’s daughter

China did call for cessation of purchases of agricultural products from the US. No tariffs. Just shut down the import of raw agricultural products sold by American farmers.

China’s already lined up Russia and Brazil to fill the gap. Those farmers are benefiting. American farmers get a fat zero. They’re stuck with glut of farm product and no where to sell it. That means they lose a perishable good, and saddled with the losses.

Trump just fucked his base. Does his base care, or do they think this is winning.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:20:10am

Dear Bernie Kids: If you want to see an actual dangerous radical, behold.

Former President Jimmy Carter lives in a $167,000 house and shops at the Dollar General
cnbc.com

(Picked up from reddit)

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:22:28am

re: #164 Decatur Deb

Carter has spent his post-presidency building housing for the poor in the US and around the world as part of Habitat for Humanity. He’s the model of what a post-president should do - commit his resources and efforts to helping others.

You sure as fuck know Trump wouldn’t do any of that. If he’s not in prison, he’d be doing things that should put him there (scamming others, running grifts and cons, and enriching himself at the expense of everyone else).

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:23:01am

re: #163 lawhawk

China did call for cessation of purchases of agricultural products from the US. No tariffs. Just shut down the import of raw agricultural products sold by American farmers.

China’s already lined up Russia and Brazil to fill the gap. Those farmers are benefiting. American farmers get a fat zero. They’re stuck with glut of farm product and no where to sell it. That means they lose a perishable good, and saddled with the losses.

Trump just fucked his base. Does his base care, or do they think this is winning.

Reminds me of the story about the ex-Blackjewel miners who are presently staging a protest by preventing their former employer’s ill-gotten spoils to be moved by train. One of the fellows was moaning to the press that Donny has not even acknowledged them via a tweet. Yet you can be sure they’ll all vote for him next November because they really believe he’s gonna be their “savior.”

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Jay C  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:25:07am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so it is foreign retaliatory tariffs that are the culprit, not the clueless orangutan who started this trade war in the first place

Of course, that’s going to be the official Administration line: it has numerous advantages as a strategy:

1. It puts the blame for farmers’ problems on the “unfair” Chinese: as usual in the Trump Admin.: they have a “sinister foreign power” to dump on. To divert responsibility from their own actions, naturally.
2. Point 1 simply feeds into the stock Trumpian themes of self-righteousness and victimization which he has made the hallmark of the shabby travesty which passes for US foreign policy these days.
3. It lets the Administration hold out prospects of billions of dollars in handouts to the usual Corporate Interests, neatly disguised as “helping farming families” or whatever.
4. It provides a handy cudgel to beat critics of the policy (i.e “why do Democrats hate American Farmers?”, etc.)

Of course, one might ask the question of how a policy of a US Administration more-or-less consciously destroying a major agricultural export market, then begging for billions in taxpayer funding to make up for said lost markets jibes with a supposedly “free market” - but then, see Point 1 above…

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:26:36am

re: #157 makeitstop

Didn’t they just do that?

But isn’t the justification for the subsidies that they are impacted by “foreign retaliatory tariffs”? Of course, Democrats won’t challenge this distribution because it would be a losing political argument for them for the next election.

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Chrysicat  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:27:57am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:33:13am

re: #155 Hecuba’s daughter

What if China did not institute retaliatory tariffs but just refused to purchase anything from the US? What then? Would the farmers still be eligible for these subsidies?

As long as they remain firm Trump supporters, they will get anything they need to keep them loyal

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:33:19am

re: #160 HappyWarrior

No. She’s pointing out that his sexism not his leftism led him to kill people. Ted Bundy was an active Republican. That had nothing to do with his murders.

Betts is an incel. They are responsible for several recent mass murders/spree murders. These types of murders have nothing to do with political ideology.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:33:51am

re: #169 Chrysicat

Have always called myself a leftist, or liberal. and would join the IWW even now if they weren’t mostly a nostalgia trip. Some of the same problem with the SDS—Seniors for a Democratic Society.

Around here, I’m just “The guy who consistently shows up.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:34:00am

re: #161 Teukka

I.e. “The fight began when China struck back”

Since 5.45 we have been retaliating!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:34:22am

re: #164 Decatur Deb

Dear Bernie Kids: If you want to see an actual dangerous radical, behold.

Former President Jimmy Carter lives in a $167,000 house and shops at the Dollar General
cnbc.com

(Picked up from reddit)

They just see him as a loser.

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MsJ  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:35:14am

Well, that surge didn’t last long. Still positive, though.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:35:49am

re: #171 Hecuba’s daughter

Betts is an incel. They are responsible for several recent mass murders/spree murders. These types of murders have nothing to do with political ideology.

Correct. That was my point. Incels may have different economic beliefs among them but they’re all sexists first and the sexism not Betts’ economics views led him to violence.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:36:25am

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They just see him as a loser.

Actually most Bernie fans I know like Carter.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:36:37am

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They just see him as a loser.

In the second wave of any real proletarian revolution, Bernie and his wife would be put against a wall.

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:37:33am
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MsJ  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:37:59am

re: #171 Hecuba’s daughter

Betts is an incel. They are responsible for several recent mass murders/spree murders. These types of murders have nothing to do with political ideology.

Isn’t there an incel board or site where they deify these mass murderers? I would look at it but cannot recall what it is.

Anyone?

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:40:43am

re: #146 Targetpractice

They don’t have one. Note that they’re not in any way addressing the bill currently sitting on Mitch’s desk, but instead promising that they’re gonna put forward proposals at some nebulous future date. Like always, their entire play is to wait out public outrage, wait until the fire dies down, then quietly drop the push for gun control by saying that it’s “not a priority.”

this exactly

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Mike Lamb  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:40:52am

re: #122 The Pie Overlord!

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Democrats care about the ideology of the shooter only to the extent that we can figure out how to stop the radicalization. It pains me to even type this, but if you think that Warren has said anything that would incite violence (particularly what appears to be something rooted in the world of incels and gross misogyny), then you probably need written instructions on how to breather. And of course, Cornyn knows this.

But aside from all of that, even if the guy was a true blue progressive, Democrats would not forego gun control legislation. Democrats want to pass reasonable regulations irrespective of the shooter’s ideology.

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Chrysicat  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:41:18am

re: #180 MsJ

Isn’t there an incel board or site where they deify these mass murderers? I would look at it but cannot recall what it is.

Anyone?

Maybe not for the moment, ‘cause I’ll lay money it was part of 8chan.

But I’m sure it’ll be back up momentarily 🤢🤮

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:42:04am

re: #180 MsJ

Isn’t there an incel board or site where they deify these mass murderers? I would look at it but cannot recall what it is.

Anyone?

I think there’s still a couple of them on Reddit. There’s a subreddit called “Top Minds of Reddit” where they mock incels, conspiracy theorists, Trumpites, RWNJ’s, LWNJ’s, homophobes, etc.

That sub serves as mockery and also keeps tabs on the hate groups running around Reddit. They’ve gotten a couple of subreddits shut down and their efforts are believed to be what got “The Donald” subreddit quarantined.

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gocart mozart  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:42:25am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:42:29am

re: #182 Mike Lamb

Democrats care about the ideology of the shooter only to the extent that we can figure out how to stop the radicalization. It pains me to even type this, but if you think that Warren has said anything that would incite violence (particularly what appears to be something rooted in the world of incels and gross misogyny), then you probably need written instructions on how to breather. And of course, Cornyn knows this.

But aside from all of that, even if the guy was a true blue progressive, Democrats would not forego gun control legislation. Democrats want to pass reasonable regulations irrespective of the shooter’s ideology.

We did after the baseball field shooting. Now that one was politically motivated. This one? Not so much.

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Chrysicat  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:43:10am
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Chrysicat  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:43:52am

Oops! Double post!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:44:10am

re: #185 gocart mozart

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Ben Shapiro worked for Steve Bannon for years attacking liberal Jews. Neither he or his family deserve threats but Ben isn’t an innocent bystander. He’s a hateful toad who was fine with the alt-right until they turned on him.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:44:20am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Correct. Sexism may transcend ideology but he was a sexist above all else and the proof is in who he murdered.

gee - a person can be more than one thing?
whodathunkit?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:44:25am

re: #187 Chrysicat

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No kidding

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:45:51am

re: #187 Chrysicat

Is it just me or should someone with a kill list never have a gun?

Outside of Kill Bill, anyone with a kill list should be under observation.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:46:37am

re: #163 lawhawk

China did call for cessation of purchases of agricultural products from the US. No tariffs. Just shut down the import of raw agricultural products sold by American farmers.

China’s already lined up Russia and Brazil to fill the gap. Those farmers are benefiting. American farmers get a fat zero. They’re stuck with glut of farm product and no where to sell it. That means they lose a perishable good, and saddled with the losses.

Trump just fucked his base. Does his base care, or do they think this is winning.

like i said somewhere above, if you want to sacrifice your heritage, farm, family and future for trump, who am i to stand in your way?
what’s your backup plan?
and dont say waiting for a future government subsidy is your plan

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:49:05am

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:49:08am

re: #167 Jay C

Of course, that’s going to be the official Administration line: it has numerous advantages as a strategy:

1. It puts the blame for farmers’ problems on the “unfair” Chinese: as usual in the Trump Admin.: they have a “sinister foreign power” to dump on. To divert responsibility from their own actions, naturally.
2. Point 1 simply feeds into the stock Trumpian themes of self-righteousness and victimization which he has made the hallmark of the shabby travesty which passes for US foreign policy these days.
3. It lets the Administration hold out prospects of billions of dollars in handouts to the usual Corporate Interests, neatly disguised as “helping farming families” or whatever.
4. It provides a handy cudgel to beat critics of the policy (i.e “why do Democrats hate American Farmers?”, etc.)

Of course, one might ask the question of how a policy of a US Administration more-or-less consciously destroying a major agricultural export market, then begging for billions in taxpayer funding to make up for said lost markets jibes with a supposedly “free market” - but then, see Point 1 above…

“they should have sucked it up and let us have our tariffs without responding” is an absolutely boneheaded, stunningly stupid way of thinking about global trade and foreign policy

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:49:09am

re: #122 The Pie Overlord!

Senator Warren did nothing which could have motivated the Ohio shooter. The same is not true for Trump and the Texas shooter.

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jaunte  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:50:53am
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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:54:14am

re: #196 Patricia Kayden

Senator Warren did nothing which could have motivated the Ohio shooter. The same is not true for Trump and the Texas shooter.

If the Ohio shooter had gone to a banking convention and targeted bankers, then one might have an argument — but targeting his sister and random customers at a bar? That does not seem tied to any discernible political motive

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Chrysicat  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:56:03am

And of course, they also feel that all furry is a sexual paraphilia, and those words are still in the DSM5 as well.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:56:48am

re: #199 Chrysicat

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He’s going to want to be able to define mentally ill.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:58:37am

re: #199 Chrysicat

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And of course, they also feel that all furry is a sexual paraphilia, and those words are still in the DSM5 as well.

Ask my friends who fled the USSR during the 80s about how the Communist Party would lock up dissidents using “mental illness” as a justification.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 6, 2019 • 8:59:00am

This was near the top of my Google News feed this morning. I can’t believe the way this shit gets magnified.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:01:25am

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

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This was near the top of my Google News feed this morning. I can’t believe the way this shit gets magnified.

Obama didn’t even refer to Trump by name. Trump who is adamant about not being racist flips his shit when he’s not called out directly. He knows he’s guilty as sin.

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Belafon  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:02:06am

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

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This was near the top of my Google News feed this morning. I can’t believe the way this shit gets magnified.

Well, it’s Fox. They need something.

Also, what are his “leftist” leanings?

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b.d.  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:02:11am

What mentally ill trait worthy of involuntary confinement did the El Paso shooter display before he went on a racist slaughter?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:03:40am

re: #204 Belafon

Well, it’s Fox. They need something.

Also, what are his “leftist” leanings?

Said something vaguely in favor of socialism in a 10th grade history class.

//

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:03:52am

re: #198 Hecuba’s daughter

If the Ohio shooter had gone to a banking convention and targeted bankers, then one might have an argument — but targeting his sister and random customers at a bar? That does not seem tied to any discernible political motive

this is what i was getting at yesterday

- yes it’s terrorism; of a sort
- unless there’s a clear message left behind (assuming dead shooter), or motivation is otherwise crystal clear, we’re left guessing as to why
- and if we’re just guessing then the point of causing the carnage and stoking the fear in the innocent public - to effect some sort of change - is lost.
- and if there is no point, or one that cant be discerned, then it’s just meaningless, random chaos perpetrated by anyone who has the wherewithal to buy the weapon

it’s a coward’s way of making some kind of muddled statement about being in charge or control or having power over…something, and done so badly that no one gets what the message even is

it’s a total failure as actual, political terrorism

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:05:39am

re: #205 b.d.

What mentally ill trait worthy of involuntary confinement did the El Paso shooter display before he went on a racist slaughter?

Exactly.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:07:01am

re: #206 Eclectic Cyborg

Said something vaguely in favor of socialism in a 10th grade history class.

//

It does look like he had leftist economics views but that doesn’t explain why he killed his sister and bar patrons. Otoh the El Paso asshole went to El Paso explicitly since it’s a large Hispanic community.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:08:09am

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

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This was near the top of my Google News feed this morning. I can’t believe the way this shit gets magnified.

Talk to my Russian friends who will tell you this is exactly how TASS/Izvestia/Pravda operated in the USSR to support the Communist Party.

This is why they say the Republican Party operates in the same exact manner as the Soviet Communist Party.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:08:53am

re: #204 Belafon

Well, it’s Fox. They need something.

Also, what are his “leftist” leanings?

See cnn.com

Again — his shooting spree was not political.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:09:41am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

It does look like he had leftist economics views but that doesn’t explain why he killed his sister and bar patrons. Otoh the El Paso asshole went to El Paso explicitly since it’s a large Hispanic community.

humans are complex

while talk about gun control and gun accountability is clearly political, every mass shooting does not have to have a political angle

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MsJ  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:09:53am

re: #210 Joe Bacon 🌹

Talk to my Russian friends who will tell you this is exactly how TASS/Izvestia/Pravda operated in the USSR to support the Communist Party.

This is why they say the Republican Party operates in the same exact manner as the Soviet Communist Party.

Whatever it takes to gain and keep power. Whatever. That is the republican way.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:11:18am

re: #207 DangerMan

this is what i was getting at yesterday

- yes it’s terrorism; of a sort
- unless there’s a clear message left behind (assuming dead shooter), or motivation is otherwise crystal clear, we’re left guessing as to why
- and if we’re just guessing then the point of causing the carnage and stoking the fear in the innocent public - to effect some sort of change - is lost.
- and if there is no point, or one that cant be discerned, then it’s just meaningless, random chaos perpetrated by anyone who has the wherewithal to buy the weapon

it’s a coward’s way of making some kind of muddled statement about being in charge or control or having power over…something, and done so badly that no one gets what the message even is

it’s a total failure as actual, political terrorism

Not political terrorism at all — just screaming at the world because access to lethal weapons is too easy in this country.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:12:38am

re: #212 DangerMan

humans are complex

while talk about gun control and gun accountability is clearly political, every mass shooting does not have to have a political angle

We still don’t know Paddocks in LV.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:13:30am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

It does look like he had leftist economics views but that doesn’t explain why he killed his sister and bar patrons. Otoh the El Paso asshole went to El Paso explicitly since it’s a large Hispanic community.

We’ll ignore the specifically political motivations of the El Paso shooter who published a manifesto at notoriously racist 8chan and focus like a laser beam on the Dayton shooter whose motivations are at best unclear.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:14:50am

re: #216 Sir John Barron

We’ll ignore the specifically political motivations of the El Paso shooter and focus like a laser beam on the Dayton shooter whose motivations are at best unclear.

Yeah that’s the wingnut way.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:15:19am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s the wingnut way.

always with the fairness and balance

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:15:24am

how in the world do you think this is any kind of ok?
(they wont be fired)
anywhere civilized, they call for a car

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:16:46am

re: #216 Sir John Barron

We’ll ignore the specifically political motivations of the El Paso shooter and focus like a laser beam on the Dayton shooter whose motivations are at best unclear.

El Paso: “This guy was mentally ill! And don’t believe that manifesto or the statements to the cops, none of that is reliable!”

Dayton: “THIS GUY SUPPORTED WARREN AND SHE SHOULD IMMEDIATELY APOLOGIZE FOR THAT!!!”

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:17:31am

re: #214 Hecuba’s daughter

Not political terrorism at all — just screaming at the world because access to lethal weapons is too easy in this country.

exactly, it’s just carnage, mayhem, chaos by cowards with momentary asymmetrical power

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:20:08am

re: #215 HappyWarrior

We still don’t know Paddocks in LV.

And we likely never will. Paddock was such a loner that even if he’d had the opportunity to tell someone what he was planning, he most likely wouldn’t have.

My hypothesis is that he planned to kill himself, but not before taking out a whole bunch of people. Going out in a blaze of glory, as it were.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:20:16am

As much as the RWNJs love “pissing off the left”, they’re the first ones to screech LEFTIST VIOLENCE! whenever shit like this happens.

It’s like complaining about the fire when you poured the gasoline and gave your buddy the book of matches.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:21:23am

re: #222 Dr Lizardo

And we likely never will. Paddock was such a loner that even if he’d had the opportunity to tell someone what he was planning, he most likely wouldn’t have.

My hypothesis is that he planned to kill himself, but not before taking out a whole bunch of people. Going out in a blaze of glory, as it were.

Would agree. We’ve had so many of these I’ve lost count.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:22:04am

Part of me wonders if I will be present for one of these.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:33:19am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

Part of me wonders if I will be present for one of these.

ask neil degrasse tyson /s (1/2)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:34:22am

re: #226 DangerMan

ask neil degrasse tyson /s (1/2)

Ha. You just never know. I had friends at VA Tech. I don’t expect it but no one really does.

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gocart mozart  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:37:12am

re: #104 makeitstop

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:38:12am

re: #228 gocart mozart

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Shut up and sing but the guy from the Apprentice should be President.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:40:19am

re: #228 gocart mozart

And some musicians are indeed quite passionate about politics. The late Omar Higgins was a strong advocate for left-of-center politics. He died too young, and just when his band may well have been on the verge of commercial success.

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steve_davis  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:43:29am

re: #48 I Would Prefer Not To

And now this…

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Men who want to be modest should not display their asstacular stupidity in a public forum.

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Interesting Times  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:46:02am

If Chuck Todd/NYT and others of that ilk had some smattering of self-awareness, they’d recognize themselves in this:

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:46:23am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:46:56am

re: #232 Interesting Times

If Chuck Todd/NYT and others of that ilk had some smattering of self-awareness, they’d recognize themselves in this:

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Exactly. This is crap.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:48:27am

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Shut up and sing but the guy from the Apprentice should be President.

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Belafon  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:49:06am

re: #228 gocart mozart

And that song has already been written: (10hours) Lamb chop song that never ends

Had to edit the path by hand, so I hope the link works, otherwise it’s “The Song That Never Ends.”

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William Lewis  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:50:20am

re: #232 Interesting Times

If Chuck Todd/NYT and others of that ilk had some smattering of self-awareness, they’d recognize themselves in this:

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Oh, they do. They don’t care. What they’re doing, they believe, makes more ad revenue and that is the only thing that matters to the media.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:50:38am

re: #235 DangerMan

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It’s like they have no concept of irony.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:51:20am

re: #230 Dr Lizardo

And some musicians are indeed quite passionate about politics. The late Omar Higgins was a strong advocate for left-of-center politics. He died too young, and just when his band may well have been on the verge of commercial success.

woody guthrie
phil ochs
pete seeger

oh and wtf was the entire popular rock of the middle sixties to seventies singing about?

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:52:53am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

It’s like they have no concept of irony.

irony dont feed the bulldog

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:52:55am

re: #239 DangerMan

woody guthrie
phil ochs
pete seeger

oh and wtf was the entire popular rock of the middle sixties to seventies singing about?

I’m not really sure, to be honest.

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Belafon  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:53:54am

re: #239 DangerMan

woody guthrie
phil ochs
pete seeger

oh and wtf was the entire popular rock of the middle sixties to seventies singing about?

RATM
Green Day (what else do you think punk rock is)
Dixie Chicks

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Interesting Times  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:54:02am

re: #237 William Lewis

Oh, they do. They don’t care. What they’re doing, they believe, makes more ad revenue and that is the only thing that matters to the media.

Sarah Kendzior has pointed out they’d make just as much money (or far more) if they endlessly exposed trump’s corruption and general GOP malfeasance. So, their true motives may be far more sinister - they themselves either agree with the white supremacist/oligarch agenda, or they’re compromised in some way.

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:55:08am

re: #239 DangerMan

Bob Dylan.
Neil Young (followed by Lynyrd Skynyrd’s response Sweet Home Alabama).

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Sufficient unto the day...  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:55:23am

So…slight chance that I might lose mah jerb.

I went beyond the approved guidelines for stopping a theft at work last night. But it was a $400+ recovery.

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steve_davis  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:57:03am

re: #80 MsJ

Dow is up 194.

I do not get the roulette wheel that is the stock market.

this is just the typical consolidation after a heavy down day. Almost everything that happens on the DOW is computer driven now. Very little of what you see is actually people making informed decisions about what to buy or sell. Instead, it is just computer-driven trading, which makes trying to understand what is going on almost pointless.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:57:13am

re: #239 DangerMan

woody guthrie
phil ochs
pete seeger

oh and wtf was the entire popular rock of the middle sixties to seventies singing about?

While I don’t know what most popular rock was singing about in that era, but I do know what the Village People were singing about in the late ’70s - and strangely, it went over the heads of a good portion of middle America. LOL.

Village People - Macho Man OFFICIAL Music Video (short version) 1978

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:57:50am

re: #239 DangerMan

woody guthrie
phil ochs
pete seeger

oh and wtf was the entire popular rock of the middle sixties to seventies singing about?

They hate them too but no one told Toby Keith to shut up after 9/11.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:59:06am

re: #247 Dr Lizardo

While I don’t know what most popular rock was singing about in that era, but I do know what the Village People were singing about in the late ’70s - and strangely, it went over the heads of a good portion of middle America. LOL.

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Middle America just likes a catchy chorus refrain lol. See Born in the USA and 99 Luftballoons.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 6, 2019 • 9:59:07am

The El Paso shooter is more akin to Yigal Amir, the assassin of Yitzhak Rabin. He was inspired by the rhetoric of Netanyahu and his rallies that included supporters calling Rabin a Nazi. Netanyahu always disclaimed any responsibility — and so does his soulmate Trump — neither is ever willing to accept that their words may have contributed to the evil actions of others.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:00:08am

re: #243 Interesting Times

Sarah Kendzior has pointed out they’d make just as much money (or far more) if they endlessly exposed trump’s corruption and general GOP malfeasance. So, their true motives may be far more sinister - they themselves either agree with the white supremacist/oligarch agenda, or they’re compromised in some way.

a change of position that fundamental and massive is scary
this works, why mess with it

yep terribly bad business analysis when the alternative presumably would make them more money in the end

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Decatur Deb  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:01:09am

re: #244 lawhawk

Bob Dylan.
Neil Young (followed by Lynyrd Skynyrd’s response Sweet Home Alabama).

en.wikipedia.org

Trouble in Mind — Barbara Dane

She’s 90, still raising hell.

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Interesting Times  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:02:07am

This cartoon was posted yesterday. Here’s the tweet from the actual artist (extremely skilled and insightful - she also created these searing images in response to Parkland):

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:04:11am

re: #246 steve_davis

this is just the typical consolidation after a heavy down day. Almost everything that happens on the DOW is computer driven now. Very little of what you see is actually people making informed decisions about what to buy or sell. Instead, it is just computer-driven trading, which makes trying to understand what is going on almost pointless.

Trading based on algorithms using millisecond responses to what just happened. The whole efficient market theory should be tossed out since little of trading is based on the actual long term strategies of a corporation or its current operations.

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steve_davis  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:04:30am

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

So, the IT guy for one of the companies I teach for now has my Sony Vaio - and hopefully, with any luck, he can get it working again. For free!

He’s sitting on a ton of laptop and desktop parts, and he has absolutely nothing to do, so for him, this is one of those “challenge accepted” sort of things.

It’s an almost eight-year old laptop, so I’m not counting on it, but hey……if he can get it working again, that’d be great. And greatly appreciated.

Meanwhile, the Acer Aspire One antique seems to be running pretty good for the time being (knock on wood) after I loaded LUbuntu 18.04 on it (LUbuntu being a lite version of the Ubuntu OS, which is probably best for this old beast running an Intel Atom CPU).

the problem you will run into is likely the same problem I ran into. Laptops just aren’t built for upgrades. Once the motherboard—which is normally put in in such a way that it can’t be taken out—goes, that’s pretty much it. Graphics are probably integrated with the motherboard, so if the display is crisped, the laptop is likewise done for.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:05:34am

re: #250 Hecuba’s daughter

The El Paso shooter is more akin to Yigal Amir, the assassin of Yitzhak Rabin. He was inspired by the rhetoric of Netanyahu and his rallies that included supporters calling Rabin a Nazi. Netanyahu always disclaimed any responsibility — and so does his soulmate Trump — neither is ever willing to accept that their words may have contributed to the evil actions of others.

I remember the Rabin murder. Didn’t know until recently that Bibi helped incite it. He and Trump are such awful people.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:06:13am

Huntsman just resigned.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:08:53am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:10:30am

Baton Rouge

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:11:12am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

Huntsman just resigned.

It’s amazing that he was willing to work for this racist traitor for so long — probably was one of those who thought he was protecting the American public from the worst of Trump’s instincts.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:11:15am

re: #250 Hecuba’s daughter

The El Paso shooter is more akin to Yigal Amir, the assassin of Yitzhak Rabin. He was inspired by the rhetoric of Netanyahu and his rallies that included supporters calling Rabin a Nazi. Netanyahu always disclaimed any responsibility — and so does his soulmate Trump — neither is ever willing to accept that their words may have contributed to the evil actions of others.

they’re also actually saying they have no persuasive power and no one listens to them

they couldnt possibly be saying their words arent their words /s

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:11:16am

No explanation why, though some are surmising he might run for Governor of Utah again.

Trump’s foreign policy is a shit show, so whoever takes over will likely advance the shit show.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:12:38am

re: #260 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s amazing that he was willing to work for this racist traitor for so long — probably was one of those who thought he was protecting the American public from the worst of Trump’s instincts.

Can’t wait to see who Trump gets to replace him.//

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b.d.  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:13:47am

Has there been a recent politician with worse political instincts than Huntsman?

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:14:59am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

Huntsman just resigned.

run for governor?

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:14:59am

re: #264 b.d.

Mitt. Rubio. Cruz. Collins.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:15:42am

re: #265 DangerMan

run for governor?

That’s the rumor yes.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:16:52am

re: #266 lawhawk

Mitt. Rubio. Cruz. Collins.

i’d love to add #moscowmitch to that list in a year or so

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:18:18am

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reports of a shooting at Walmart on Burbank Drive

Liberal or Right Wing?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:18:48am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:24:31am

re: #262 lawhawk

No explanation why, though some are surmising he might run for Governor of Utah again.

Trump’s foreign policy is a shit show, so whoever takes over will likely advance the shit show.

He’s running

//

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:25:57am

Of course the GOP wants to block this law. They don’t want anyone seeing the truth about Trump’s financial picture, and how he is utterly compromised.

States have every right to request information of those seeking to run for office.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:26:03am

re: #255 steve_davis

the problem you will run into is likely the same problem I ran into. Laptops just aren’t built for upgrades. Once the motherboard—which is normally put in in such a way that it can’t be taken out—goes, that’s pretty much it. Graphics are probably integrated with the motherboard, so if the display is crisped, the laptop is likewise done for.

The display, the graphics card and the HDD were all still working fine - those didn’t give me any problems.

I’m hoping it was just a major dust issue.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:27:34am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:29:06am

re: #274 Dread Pirate

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These assholes are destroying our economy.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:30:46am

re: #266 lawhawk

Mitt. Rubio. Cruz. Collins.

Nah, They wield way more power in the Senate. In the current administration an ambassador is barely even a message boy. No one knows day to day what the hell is going on, To much of a headache, no matter what grift is available

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:32:52am

re: #274 Dread Pirate

China can absorb the pain more - and they can cover it up far more effectively than Trumpworld could.

We have more transparent economic data, and all the data is showing that Trump’s trade war is heavily damaging the agricultural sector and is causing a slowdown in the economy. It’s not going to get better with further currency manipulations or interest rate cuts by the US either. It’s going to lead us into a recession because Trump’s actions destabilize and cause chaos - the opposite of what companies want (stability and consistent policies). Companies are looking to preserve their wealth and avoid the storm, so they’re not coming back to the US. They’re going elsewhere - shifting production and reducing inventory.

None of this is good.

But Trump thinks this is winning.

Trump is the same fucknut who bankrupted casinos 6 times. He’s the same guy who failed at football, airlines, liquor, steaks, and even water.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:33:56am

re: #272 lawhawk

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Of course the GOP wants to block this law. They don’t want anyone seeing the truth about Trump’s financial picture, and how he is utterly compromised.

States have every right to request information of those seeking to run for office.

I want to see other members of the GOP get up and defend Trump’s lawsuit

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:34:38am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:34:41am

re: #277 lawhawk

China can absorb the pain more - and they can cover it up far more effectively than Trumpworld could.

.

China also has a long-term historical view while we do not see past the next quarterly returns.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:35:46am

re: #279 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“Witnesses saw a man pick up a boy and throw him to the ground. Brockway reportedly tried to justify his actions to nearby fairgoers. … ‘He said [the boy] was disrespecting the national anthem so he had every right to do that.’”

I recall that some lawmaker (from Louisiana ?) introduced a law to make it legal to beat up anyone exercising their 1st Amendment rights to burn a flag.

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:35:56am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

China also has a long-term historical view while we do not see past the next quarterly returns.

Trump: what’s a quarterly return?

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Dr. Matt  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:37:16am

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:37:49am

re: #274 Dread Pirate

“We’re learning maybe China has a higher pain threshold than we thought. They don’t seem to care that this is having extreme negative effects on their economy. It’s kind of a mutually assured destruction game now”

From China’s POV, it’s short-term pain for long-term gain. That long-term gain being becoming a global economic superpower who calls the shots.

If they can get Trump (and by extension the USA) to back down or capitulate on this trade war, that’ll be a major coup - a real feather in China’s hat. And the rest of the world will certainly notice that as well.

“Make America Great Again”? This bozo and his toadies will end up turning America in a second-rate power: the “paper tiger” Mao Zedong once referred to us as.

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:38:59am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

China also has a long-term historical view while we do not see past the next quarterly returns.

I strongly suspect that is the thinking here, that Beijing figures they can just keep twisting the screw until Jan 2021. There’s no pressure on them to make a deal in the short term, while Donny is under serious pressure to make shit happen before the economy collapses. After all, Xi doesn’t have to run for reelection next November…

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Dr. Matt  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:39:17am

re: #279 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“Witnesses saw a man pick up a boy and throw him to the ground. Brockway reportedly tried to justify his actions to nearby fairgoers. … ‘He said [the boy] was disrespecting the national anthem so he had every right to do that.’”
— Melanie Schmitz (@MelsLien) August 6, 2019

“disrespecting the national anthem”. What are the odds he has a confederate rag symbol on his truck?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:39:54am

re: #279 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Asshole.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:41:01am

just looking at the morning consult polling data

and trump’s approval by state

his net approval by state has decreased in every state since inauguration

every state by double digits (at least 10%, some in the upper 20’s and 30’s) except hawaii that was 9 but he’s been underwater there the whole time

that doesnt mean he’s not net positive in some states - ie alabama, wyoming, idaho
net -1 in nebraska, florida, north carolina

fwiw

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gocart mozart  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:41:27am
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rhuarc  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:42:03am

re: #279 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Where was the good guy with the gun to neutralize the threat of this man?

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:42:11am

re: #285 Targetpractice

I strongly suspect that is the thinking here, that Beijing figures they can just keep twisting the screw until Jan 2021. There’s no pressure on them to make a deal in the short term, while Donny is under serious pressure to make shit happen before the economy collapses. After all, Xi doesn’t have to run for reelection next November…

From what I understand, Xi doesn’t have to run for re-election ever again. He’s pretty much president for life.

China’s “Great Helmsman” of the 21st century.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:42:12am
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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:42:33am

re: #272 lawhawk

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Of course the GOP wants to block this law. They don’t want anyone seeing the truth about Trump’s financial picture, and how he is utterly compromised.

States have every right to request information of those seeking to run for office.

their arguments are facile and recycled, and have never worked every time they’ve been tried before (said the guy who’s not a lawyer)

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:42:53am

re: #288 DangerMan

just looking at the morning consult polling data

and trump’s approval by state

his net approval by state has decreased in every state since inauguration

every state by double digits (at least 10%, some in the upper 20’s and 30’s) except hawaii that was 9 but he’s been underwater there the whole time

that doesnt mean he’s not net positive in some states - ie alabama, wyoming, idaho
net -1 in nebraska, florida, north carolina

fwiw

The further underwater he goes, the more desperate he will be. And Democrats will need to drop the hammer on him and maximize the pressure on him and the GOP. Don’t let up.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:43:38am

re: #286 Dr. Matt

WTF? Dude is ALREADY a registered violent offender, fractured a kid’s skull and caused seizures.

And they released him on his own recognizance.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:43:55am

re: #274 Dread Pirate

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there’s a good chance manufacturing is already in a world wide recession

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:45:10am

re: #296 DangerMan

there’s a good chance manufacturing is already in a world wide recession

We probably won’t see it reflected in stats for another quarter or so.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:45:12am

re: #295 Sufficient unto the day…

WTF? Dude is ALREADY a registered violent offender, fractured a kid’s skull and caused seizures.

And they released him on his own recognizance.

And probably has a cache of firearms. M’erica.

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:45:49am

re: #292 Charles Johnson

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So he wants legislation that actually makes people safer, and yet he thinks that the answer is making it easier to fast forward execution of the mentally ill…

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:48:00am

re: #277 lawhawk

China can absorb the pain more - and they can cover it up far more effectively than Trumpworld could.

We have more transparent economic data, and all the data is showing that Trump’s trade war is heavily damaging the agricultural sector and is causing a slowdown in the economy. It’s not going to get better with further currency manipulations or interest rate cuts by the US either. It’s going to lead us into a recession because Trump’s actions destabilize and cause chaos - the opposite of what companies want (stability and consistent policies). Companies are looking to preserve their wealth and avoid the storm, so they’re not coming back to the US. They’re going elsewhere - shifting production and reducing inventory.

None of this is good.

But Trump thinks this is winning.

Trump is the same fucknut who bankrupted casinos 6 times. He’s the same guy who failed at football, airlines, liquor, steaks, and even water.

when there’s no market to buy your products, it doesnt matter what you do
you just lost a huge ag trading partner
there’s no other party to step in and take china’s place
if there were, what have they been doing up to now?

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:49:09am
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Belafon  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:50:48am

re: #274 Dread Pirate

Waiting for Trump to start printing more money, and then wonder why interest rates and inflation are going up.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:50:53am

re: #301 lawhawk

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That feels so long ago.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:53:00am

re: #272 lawhawk

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Of course the GOP wants to block this law. They don’t want anyone seeing the truth about Trump’s financial picture, and how he is utterly compromised.

States have every right to request information of those seeking to run for office.

The lawsuits argue the law violates the U.S. Constitution by creating an extra requirement to run for president and deprives citizens the right to vote for their chosen candidates. The Constitution puts just three requirements on presidential candidates: That they are natural born citizens, 35 or older and a U.S. resident for at least 14 years.

nope nope nope

some people are natural born some are not
some are over 35, some are not
some are us residents for 14 years, some are not

there is nothing preventing anyone from releasing their tax returns
there is no burden. only choice. and it’s totally yours.

totally ‘fair’ totally even and universally applied

and ps - it still doesnt prevent you from running for president. just participating in the state’s party primaries

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:54:00am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

China also has a long-term historical view while we do not see past the next quarterly returns.

trump’s view isnt even quarterly
tops, it’s todays trending tweets

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MsJ  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:54:09am

re: #279 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?

The unnamed boy’s parents said his ears bled for six hours after the incident and that his skull was fractured. He was taken by air ambulance to Sacred Heart Children’s Hospital in Spokane.

Brockway, who has a previous assault with a weapon charge from 2011, and who Missoulian reported is a registered violent offender, will be released on his own recognizance Tuesday.

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Belafon  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:54:11am

re: #279 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Brockway, who has a previous assault with a weapon charge from 2011, and who Missoulian reported is a registered violent offender, will be released on his own recognizance Tuesday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:55:18am

morons, all of them

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:55:31am

re: #285 Targetpractice

I strongly suspect that is the thinking here, that Beijing figures they can just keep twisting the screw until Jan 2021. There’s no pressure on them to make a deal in the short term, while Donny is under serious pressure to make shit happen before the economy collapses. After all, Xi doesn’t have to run for reelection next November…

they had new sources for their import needs long before they made this announcement
probably 6 months ago

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:56:24am
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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:57:08am

re: #292 Charles Johnson

If only Trump believed in gravity, or even knew what it was.

So the “driveway gaggle” is now how the press interacts with these goons? And everybody thinks that’s OK and normal?

what did they do with that press room?

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:57:50am

re: #294 lawhawk

The further underwater he goes, the more desperate he will be. And Democrats will need to drop the hammer on him and maximize the pressure on him and the GOP. Don’t let up.

work like we’re 20 points down
dont let up till it’s official he’s lost

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:58:08am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 10:59:46am

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She’s such a shameless liar.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:00:00am

re: #309 DangerMan

they had new sources for their import needs long before they made this announcement
probably 6 months ago

Because they are run by experienced professionals at international trade, not a knee-jerking narcissistic shitgibbon

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:00:13am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

morons, all of them

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quoting lou dobbs is not a good look

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:00:31am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

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God it would be just desserts if Kavanaugh got impeached.

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Belafon  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:01:16am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

The other things Democrats could do to restore balance to the Supreme Court is investigate Thomas and his wife.

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MsJ  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:01:33am

re: #317 HappyWarrior

God it would be just desserts if Kavanaugh got impeached.

He won’t be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:01:40am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:02:07am

re: #318 Belafon

The other things Democrats could do to restore balance to the Supreme Court is investigate Thomas and his wife.

Definitely. I don’t think you can do anything about Gorsuch unfortunately. But Thomas and Barf I think you can.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:02:14am

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

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damn! dont do that

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Dr. Matt  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:02:28am

FFS, he’s still ranting about Hillary and the 2016 election.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:02:32am

re: #319 MsJ

He won’t be.

At least we’re starting something.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:02:58am

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blowhardus Assholius.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:05:00am
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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:06:15am
“President Trump is increasingly acting based on his own intuition and analysis and not the advice of aides in the increasingly fraught trade war with China, five people briefed on the actions said, shattering a more cautious process that had yielded few positive results so far,” the Washington Post reports.

They said White House officials were now expecting a long, drawn-out battle with Chinese leaders, even though Trump is acutely tuned in to stock market fluctuations. But Trump is convinced that the Chinese economy is suffering more than the U.S. economy from the conflict.

here’s the thing:
- there wont be a long drawn out battle
- while you’re yelling “fight me”, china’s likely already quit the field. they’ve taken their marbles and gone home
- they’re gonna wait it out for the next president

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:07:04am
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Belafon  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:08:01am

re: #327 DangerMan

here’s the thing:
- there wont be a long drawn out battle
- while you’re yelling “fight me”, china’s likely already quit the field. they’ve taken their marbles and gone home
- they’re gonna wait it out for the next president

And, for all their participation in the global economy, they are an authoritarian regime. They can let a few people starve, or take from person A to give to person B.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:08:44am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:11:30am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:11:41am

re: #330 DodgerFan1988

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As a liberal gamer, I sure as hell don’t feel bad for them. They threw their lot in with fascist assholes because of their pathetic sexism. Games aren’t to blame but these assholes deserve a good reality ass kicking.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:13:38am

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh fuck you Ivanka. Fuck you. The El Paso shooter is your father’s spiritual son. Stop using Chicago. What happened there is awful too but the killers there weren’t incited by your daddy’s deep fried Nuremberg rallies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:16:56am
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MsJ  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:17:45am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

At least we’re starting something.

At this point, any crumb will do, I suppose.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:19:21am

re: #334 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Obama never called out Trump by name but this is easy. Trump actually seems to condone shooting undocumented immigrants and the shooter echoed his rhetoric. Obama never said First Graders were a threat to us.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:19:29am

China should step into the vacuum left by the US and work with South Korea and Japan to find solutions to their trade issues. It’s only a matter of time before those countries start to find America irrelevant.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:19:44am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:19:47am

re: #335 MsJ

At this point, any crumb will do, I suppose.

Remember that Watergate started as a simple break in.

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lawhawk  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:19:59am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:20:12am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:20:32am

re: #338 Charles Johnson

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I didn’t ask for his opinion. He’s a talented enough actor but he’s a rwnj.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:21:41am

re: #340 lawhawk

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I’m so sick of their crocodile tears for the inner city. You’re absolutely right. Strong, federal and uniform laws would help this and Ivanka Antionette’s party opposes those.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:21:52am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:22:25am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh fuck off, Gabby Giffords was shot. You and Elaine can get a dacha next year.

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MsJ  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:22:57am

re: #339 HappyWarrior

Remember that Watergate started as a simple break in.

Stop making me…feel better. I am wallowing, for crying out loud. :-D

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:25:21am

re: #346 MsJ

Stop making me…feel better. I am wallowing, for crying out loud. :-D

I’m trying to be glass half full. It’s the only thing that keeps me going.

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Targetpractice  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:26:21am

re: #340 lawhawk

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Whataboutism is all they have left, the idea that a white guy snuffing out 22 lives in a shorter time period than a Trump rally somehow being “equal” to 7 deaths over 2 days. Perhaps someone might ask Ivanka if she thinks every one of those bullets was fired by someone who is “mentally ill.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:26:26am

those frisky monks…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:29:31am
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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:29:34am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Washington Post

@washingtonpost
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Mitch McConnell’s campaign decries protest outside his Louisville home as a call to violence wapo.st

Well, according to the article, one protester asked another to stab a Mitch voodoo doll in the heart. Maybe MoscowMitch practices Santeria and is concerned that this represents a real threat to his safety?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:29:50am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

Obama never called out Trump by name but this is easy.

It was done intentionally to get him to rise to the bait as he is incapable of rising above any criticism, even indirect…

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:31:04am

re: #311 DangerMan

what did they do with that press room?

Now a Studio 54 disco replica

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gwangung  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:32:04am

“Before this electrifying, long-overdue film ends, one man is dead, hundreds are scared for their lives and heavily armed Klansmen patrol the bay, burning boats and urging white townspeople to “take back our country.”FYI….

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:32:48am

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Rather than ‘resting bitch face” it’s “sex doll mouth”.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:34:56am

re: #352 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was done intentionally to get him to rise to the bait as he is incapable of rising above any criticism, even indirect…

It wasn’t just directed at Trump.

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:51:33am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

Obama never called out Trump by name but this is easy. Trump actually seems to condone shooting undocumented immigrants and the shooter echoed his rhetoric. Obama never said First Graders were a threat to us.

remember the job description of president
obama brought up legislation (squelched by mitch and the r’s)
what did you do donnie?

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DangerMan  Aug 6, 2019 • 11:53:11am

re: #339 HappyWarrior

Remember that Watergate started as a simple break in.

You can’t expect an enormous volcano with three tiny bags of explosives.

You have to let nature take her course.


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