Seth Meyers: The Disgraceful GOP Reactions to Shootings in El Paso and Dayton
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Seth takes a closer look at the political world responding to the horrific mass shootings in Dayton, Ohio, and El Paso, Texas.
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â Amberrae Mcleod (@amberraemcleod7) June 18, 2019
On Saturday, my RW brother seemed to have come around to at least support red flag laws. Now I hear that this has turned out to be the standard GOP response to deal with mass shootings. So, my brother has once again proven that the entire Trump base consists of sheeple (his favorite word!) who go along with whatever the GOP hierarchy proposes, unless their Master the Orange Mussolini declares otherwise.
The slobbering cocksucking by the Râs of the NRMA (National Rifle Maunufacturerâs Association) continues to amaze me. They have had Congressional Legislation sitting in Moscow Mitchâs in-box for 158 days, requiring common sense gun Legislation that is overwhelmingly supported by all citizens, and it has been blocked.
Itâs not video games, itâs not mental health, itâs not prayer in schools, itâs the easy access to guns that you can load 30-round magazines into so that you can kill 9 people in under a minute that are available to committed young white men that are domestic terrorists.
This is not rocket science, this is a simple matter of public policy.
NEW: NRA spent $1.6 million lobbying against background check expansion laws in months leading up to latest mass shootings. The Trump campaign told surrogates today to focus on the president supporting background checks and him calling out white supremacy. https://t.co/sxgA7oAAz0
â Brian Schwartz (@schwartzbCNBC) August 5, 2019
re: #2 Anymouse đčđ
It started playing this and Wifey started asking way too many questions so I had to pull the plug.
Until itâs Safe Time.
What a day. Good night all, sweet dreams if you are able.
Oh, and I lost $30,000 of my nest egg today!
Winning!
Iâve already come to the conclusion that Red Flag laws are a big red flag. Might as well call it the Deju Vu Law.
re: #6 Dread Pirate
Spicy. A war between the NRA and the Trump administration? Just in time for the 2020 elections?
Glorious. Bring it.
re: #7 BigPapa
It started playing this and Wifey started asking way too many questions so I had to pull the plug.
Until itâs Safe Time.
Theyâre getting dragged in the comment section over this. (Rather unusual for them.)
Such crap like this will continue until the profit motive is taken out of things such as donating a body for scientific research.
I have a small non-zero chance I could develop vCJD due to the mad cow problem in western Europe when I was stationed there. I am already banned from donating blood. (This is also why I am opposed to an opt-out sort of option for organ donation proposed by some people: as of yet there is no way to detect the prions which cause the disorder.)
If I was to request my brain go to a neurology department to study that, some for-profit middleman might wind up selling it instead to some folks testing rifles or something.
Folks in the comments are rightly arguing that capitalism at any cost will reduce the will of people to donate their own bodies for research.
There is no need to blow bodies up to study the effects of IEDs, that excuse by the Army is crap. We know what happens to bodies when they are subject to high explosives.
Their argument was they were testing for weaknesses in armoured vehicles. Why werenât they blowing up IEDs under armoured vehicles then?
re: #9 BigPapa
Iâve already come to the conclusion that Red Flag laws are a big red flag. Might as well call it the Deju Vu Law.
An actual Red Flag law with teeth to remove firearms from the home of someone convicted of domestic violence would reduce the number of spousal murders.
They wonât do a damn thing about mass-murders.
i really hope all the @nytimes journalists and contributors would voice their dissent about tomorrowâs headline. you rightfully ask if tech workers express their disapproval internally, now itâs your chance to actually do the same yourselves.
âmembers of the press, wtf!?ââ berk d. demir (@bd) August 6, 2019
DM for my Signal if you are a NY Times reporter who would like to leak. I guarantee anonymity: I will put @MikeIsaacâs name on any message you want reposted. https://t.co/7e5SvELm74
â Alex Stamos (@alexstamos) August 6, 2019
The penalty in this state for calling out white supremacy if youâre a state senator:
Get out of our party. You should be a Democrat.
.@SenMcCollister should tell the truth and change his party registration. pic.twitter.com/qrC2XOpoxk
â NEGOP (@NEGOP) August 5, 2019
Her name is being floated as a possible challenger to Sen. Ben Sasse.
The @NEGOP celebrates white supremacy
Iâve seen no evidence to the contrary
Nebraskans should take noticeâ Senator Megan Hunt (@NebraskaMegan) August 6, 2019
The First Amendment has NEVER been applicable to public businesses. YOUR side has been arguing WITHIN MY LIFETIME that it was wrong to enforce the #BillOfRights even on STATE GOVERNMENTS, because all of the first nine amendments clearly state âCONGRESS shall make noâŠâ
â (((Chrysi Cat))) (@chrysicat) August 6, 2019
(His comment was in response to Bitmitigate and Epik being deplatformed).
You were saying, dumbass. pic.twitter.com/SImZUjF6Ta
â Oh. My. Glob. (@efuseakay) August 6, 2019
Russian Deputy Defense Minister Bulgakov: there are no serious destruction in Kamyanka village after explosion of arsenal nearby https://t.co/fcWxSI2GH6 #Russia
And here is video from Kamyanka this morning pic.twitter.com/O7nwxLp1aqâ Liveuamap (@Liveuamap) August 6, 2019
Howâr ya n- pic.twitter.com/GLCFcy6820
â Letterkenny Problems (@LetterkennyProb) August 1, 2019
re: #16 Chrysicat
(His comment was in response to Bitmitigate and Epik being deplatformed).
Amazing how all these âfree market conservativesâ suddenly hate free markets when they rule against conservatives.
Itâs almost as if theyâre liars.
Comparing Trump supporters to Nazis.
This is clearly the way to heal a nation in pain. https://t.co/5nSYDBABUtâ Matt Gaetz (@mattgaetz) August 6, 2019
I was put out of office by a Nazi who ran against me for being an atheist.
How many Nazis have run on the Democratic line across the country? Oh right, none. Which guy was it who brought a Nazi to the State of the Union address? You, Rep. Gaetz.
To heal a patient one ought first do a proper diagnosis.
And that you canât notice Trumpâs fascistic symptoms means youâre a pathetic political pathologist.â freetoken fights fecking fascists (@freetoken) August 6, 2019
Love this. https://t.co/KNzZ0QTa00
â Prof Stavrakopoulou (@ProfFrancesca) August 6, 2019
Let me make this absolutely, 100%, crystal clear, as a Johns Hopkins-trained scientist and ER doctor:
There are ZERO studies linking video games to gun violence.
There are MANY, MANY studies linking increased access to guns to gun violence.@GOPLeader, you are a lying coward.â John Jiao, MD đ„ (@JohnJiao) August 4, 2019
Mike Huckabee: Thoughts And Prayers Are âOnly Thingâ That Will Stop Mass Shootings (Goes to Huffington Post)
The former Arkansas governor suggested the lack of thoughts and prayers is the real reason why mass shootings keep happening.
This weekendâs mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, have many people demanding that something be done to stop gun violence.
However, Mike Huckabee insists thereâs only one solution to curbing the violence and itâs â you guessed it â âthoughts and prayers,â that time-honored solution of pretending to do something without actually doing anything.
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re: #26 Anymouse đčđ
Mike Huckabee: Thoughts And Prayers Are âOnly Thingâ That Will Stop Mass Shootings (Goes to Huffington Post)
The former Arkansas governor suggested the lack of thoughts and prayers is the real reason why mass shootings keep happening.
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And yet, the people who pray in public MOST visibly, Huckachuck totally wants dead because theyâre praying to the wrong god.
And make no mistake, this isnât a call for more prayer behind closed doors, this is a call for mandatory prayer times for all white Americans.
Liz may finally get a chance to lock someone up in the tower:
Queen could be called in to sort Brexit mess as EU demands rethink
The Queen could be called upon to resolve a constitutional crisis over Brexit, should Boris Johnson stick with his current strategy.
The prime minister would put the monarch in an âunprecedented positionâ if, as suggested, he refuses to leave Downing Street, despite losing a vote of no confidence over his attempts to ram through a no-deal Brexit.
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re: #26 Anymouse đčđ
Immediately after the shootings, on my Facebook timeline one trumper posts one of those veteran-coffin sob-memes. It was clearly an attempt to divert attention thru empathy entrapment.
Today, another person (probable Trumper, definitely religious right) posted one of those prayer-memes about Je$u$ protecting children. I was so tempted to post a reply that the meme is worthless.
These, our fellow Americans, are full on, willfully, participating in a denial process.
re: #29 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
These, our fellow Americans, are full on, willfully, participating in a denial process.
The denial has been there, it grows with every mass shooting, after Sandy Hook it became a landslide
The video game argument is a staple because most of america is so fucking stupid, they think only america plays video games.
That gives me an idea for a video game, actually.
â William Hirschi đșđž (@WJHirschi) August 5, 2019
re: #31 Amory Blaine
The video game argument is a staple because most of america is so fucking stupid, they think only america plays video games.
We have more excuses than we do victims
video games
lack of prayer in schools
mental illness
decline in family values
rampant Satanism
rampant atheism
lack of discipline
and of course threats of
invasion
rape
drug dealers
white genocide
etc.
Why we canât have nice things: Drug companies making their own generics, selling them at higher prices than other genericsâŠand thwarting competition, often paying competitors to stay out of the market. Awesome.
Lawmakers who created the modern generic-drug industry in the 1980s never imagined anything like this â brand-pharma companies maximizing profits by appearing to compete with themselves.
But it goes on all the time. In fact, there are now nearly 1,200 authorized generics approved in the U.S., according to the Food and Drug Administration. While these might look like products that would push prices down, authorized generics can be as profitable as, if not more profitable than, brand-name drugs.
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Last year, authorized generics appeared at the rate of about once a week. High-profile examples in recent years included Mylanâs generic version of the EpiPen anti-allergy injector, introduced to soothe public outrage after the company raised the brand price 400%. In March, Eli Lilly said it would launch a less expensive generic of its Humalog insulin, whose branded list price has also soared.Of all the ways drug companies try to protect sales as patents expire â changing doses, adding ingredients, seeking approval to treat new diseases â authorized generics are by far the most profitable, returning $50 for every dollar invested, research firm Cutting Edge Information calculated in 2015.
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Tactics like this can âstave off generic competition and make sure that generics canât get much of a foothold when they do get to market,â said Robin Feldman, a professor at the University of California Hastings College of the Law, who studies pharma policy. âThatâs the game. And drug companies have become masters at this.âAuthorized copycats may help explain why relatively few true generics are reaching the market despite a surge in approvals, analysts say.
The 1984 Hatch-Waxman Act founded the modern generic business by establishing rules for safety and competition, including granting six months of market exclusivity to the first generic rival to each brand. The idea was to give the first mover a profitable head start to attack the established pill.
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The mere threat of an authorized generic can also smother competition.A 2013 Supreme Court ruling challenged deals in which brands blatantly paid rivals to keep generics off the market. So pharma firms came up with an alternative: They could would hold fire on an authorized clone if generic firms agreed to delay launching their products or gave some other concession, according to the Federal Trade Commission.
Both sides win. The brand stretches its monopoly beyond the life of the patent, while the generic firm avoids facing an authorized rival later on.
Authorized generics can generate outsize profits in yet another way: as a method to game Medicaid contracts that costs taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars a year, according to investigators for the Health and Human Services Department.
Brand-pharma companies routinely âsellâ authorized generics to a corporate affiliate at a sharp discount, establishing an artificial wholesale price, said Edwin Park, a research professor who studies Medicaid at the Georgetown University Center for Children and Families.
re: #32 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
We have more excuses than we do victims
video games
lack of prayer in schools
mental illness
decline in family values
rampant Satanism
rampant atheism
lack of discipline
and of course threats of
invasion
rape
drug dealers
white genocideetc.
Drag queens
re: #33 MsJ
Why we canât have nice things: Drug companies making their own generics, selling them at higher prices than other genericsâŠand thwarting competition, often paying competitors to stay out of the market. Awesome.
There are some things that the Free Market is jut not meant for: husbanding and exploiting resources, infrastructure, education and HEALTH CARE
It is fine when there are certain market mechanisms at work in these areas, but we cannot allow those who dominate the markets to establish the rules of play
re: #8 austin_blue
What a day. Good night all, sweet dreams if you are able.
Oh, and I lost $30,000 of my nest egg today!
Winning!
okay, you win for yesterday, I think. On those kinds of days, all you can do is console yourself knowing that there is absolutely nowhere safe to be, outside of cash, and you just canât sit in cash forever.
re: #37 steve_davis
okay, you win for yesterday, I think. On those kinds of days, all you can do is console yourself knowing that there is absolutely nowhere safe to be, outside of cash, and you just canât sit in cash forever.
not cash, precious metals
Had the Dayton shooter targeted a GOP event, then there would be reason to suspect a political motivation, such as him apparently supporting the left. But he didnât. Instead, CNN and others throw everything at the wall, no matter how tenuous.
â Justin Miller (@justinjm1) August 6, 2019
re: #40 DodgerFan1988
Had the Dayton shooter targeted a GOP event, then there would be reason to suspect a political motivation, such as him apparently supporting the left. But he didnât. Instead, CNN and others throw everything at the wall, no matter how tenuous.]
âHe was a Warren supporter!â
And everybody knows how Pocahontas advocates White Genocide.
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Ah yes, the classic 7 year-oldâs moves when if they were the one who did something wrong.
âBut, but ⊠he started it!!â
âIt wasnât me!!â
âThis isnât fair!!ââ Dot Matrix Printer Sales and Service (@mynamesnotgordy) August 6, 2019
It should catch ANYONEâS eye! Whichever of those two said it first HONESTLY BELIEVES thatâat least when they have the Senate in their partyâs handsâAmericans elect a king for four-year cycles!
â (((Chrysi Cat))) (@chrysicat) August 6, 2019
re: #42 Chrysicat
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Neither Obama or Bush chuckled about the thought of shooting border crossers or suggested that immigrants were invaders. As for Obama, Kilmeade should look at all the times he and his co workers said he was a terrorist sympathizer. But Trump will always go back to the only real victim, him. Itâs pathetic but itâs even more so how FNC constantly coddles his bullshit.
re: #42 Chrysicat
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Less than 24 hours after the press got their âpresidentialâ moment, hereâs Donny back to acting like a spoiled brat.
Must watch @DavidJollyFL https://t.co/7IaDaC2b44
â Nicolle Wallace (@NicolleDWallace) August 5, 2019
re: #45 DangerMan
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It would appear that former Congressman Jolly really did get out because he was an old-fashioned Republican and could recognise when parts of the Constitution were turning into a suicide pact.
Would that more of the Never-Trumpers thought that way too.
re: #42 Chrysicat
âDid George Bush ever condemn President Obama after Sandy Hook. President Obama had 32 mass shootings during his reign. Not many people said Obama is out of Control. Mass shootings were happening before the President even thought about running for Pres.â
Funny that Obama mentioned nobody by name.
Nor did he ever refer to a foreign âinvasionâ or speak about murderers, drug dealers and rapists swarming over our bordersâŠ
re: #5 austin_blue
The slobbering cocksucking by the Râs of the NRMA (National Rifle Maunufacturerâs Association) continues to amaze me. They have had Congressional Legislation sitting in Moscow Mitchâs in-box for 158 days, requiring common sense gun Legislation that is overwhelmingly supported by all citizens, and it has been blocked.
Itâs not video games, itâs not mental health, itâs not prayer in schools, itâs the easy access to guns that you can load 30-round magazines into so that you can kill 9 people in under a minute that are available to committed young white men that are domestic terrorists.
This is not rocket science, this is a simple matter of public policy.
Hell if it was all those other thingsâŠtheyâre not taking any action on them either
Lubbockâs Mr. Conservative sees all. Heâs on to us.
re: #50 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
Lubbockâs Mr. Conservative sees all. Heâs on to us.
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Oh fuck off. But go ahead make conservatives the real victim as always you grifting old fuck.
re: #28 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Liz may finally get a chance to lock someone up in the tower:
Queen could be called in to sort Brexit mess as EU demands rethink
Trump taking notes:
We got no queen so I can probably get away with it
re: #51 HappyWarrior
Oh fuck off. But go ahead make conservatives the real victim as always you grifting old fuck.
Don, who is a physician from a wealthy farming/banking/retail family, has called me an âelitist.â
re: #53 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
Don, who is a physician from a wealthy farming/banking/retail family, has called me an âelitist.â
Elitist is just right wing code for âSomeone who calls me out on my shit.â
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN -
If 100 spaceships invaded your backyard & Dems banned ray guns?
Your lawn would be overrun & trigger finger would tire.
Thatâs why we must keep the National Ray-gun Association strong & Trump in office.
To keep your lawn & your right to doomsday devices safe.â Arch1 (@Arch_LGF) August 6, 2019
re: #46 Chrysicat
It would appear that former Congressman Jolly really did get out because he was an old-fashioned Republican and could recognise when parts of the Constitution were turning into a suicide pact.
Would that more of the Never-Trumpers thought that way too.
I read that as âWould more Never-Trumpers thought that way tooâ (meaning, would any think that way?) which made me LOL.
re: #12 Anymouse đčđ
An actual Red Flag law with teeth to remove firearms from the home of someone convicted of domestic violence would reduce the number of spousal murders.
They wonât do a damn thing about mass-murders.
The evidence has shown a direct correlation between domestic violence and mass murder
re: #55 Archangelus
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Except that doesnât fucking happen. Signed a guy who actually has deer in his backyard and not a right wing snob who hides behind absurdity.
re: #55 Archangelus
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN -
If 100 spaceships invaded your backyard & Dems banned ray guns?
Your lawn would be overrun & trigger finger would tire.
Thatâs why we must keep the National Ray-gun Association strong & Trump in office.
To keep your lawn & your right to doomsday devices safe.
They can have my ray gun when they pry it from my cold, dead planet!!!
re: #58 Belafon
The evidence has shown a direct correlation between domestic violence and mass murder
The US military even had a rule banning members with a history of domestic violence from wearing a sidearm.
They could drive tanks, fly attack helicopters or launch missiles, but not tote a pistol.
Obama didnât condone white supremacists and right wing extremists.
He called for sensible gun control and the GOP and NRA used that as a selling point to get racists and bigots and gun humpers to buy still more guns.
The guns are the problem. Theyâve been the problem.â lawhawk (@lawhawk) August 6, 2019
Trumpâs right back at the white supremacist racist crap, attacking Obama because Trump (correctly) deduced that Obama was talking about Trump and Trumpâs racist actions.
Trump is a white supremacist, and Obama called him out for doing nothing in the face of gun violence in the US. Itâs also another reminder that one of Trumpâs first actions in the WH was to roll back an Obama rule that made it harder for those with mental illness to get guns by feeding SSI mental health info into the gun database used for background checks.
Trump made it easier for those with mental illness to get guns.
The GOP doesnât want to provide health coverage for those with mental illness with their ongoing assault on the ACA, Medicare, and Medicaid. They continue their assault on those with preexisting medical conditions (mental health is a preexisting condition).
The GOP would rather focus on video games despite fact that US uses video games at a lower rate than Japan or South Korea - which have almost no gun violence at all, let alone few if any mass shootings.
Why?
Itâs the easy availability of guns. The GOP/NRA donât want to change the calculus. They didnât change it after Scalise was nearly assassinated. They didnât change it after Giffords was nearly assassinated. Heck, they fought changing the laws after Reagan was nearly assassinated. They refuse to act after Sandy Hook.
The GOP/NRA solution to every act of gun violence is to demand more gun sales. Hannity proposes putting armed guards at every school and mall. He wants a fascist police state, even though Texas and Ohio are open carry states where anyone could get guns. Guns didnât deter either El Paso or Dayton mass shootings. Guns enabled them with easy access to weapons of mass murder.
Strong gun laws are the answer. States should follow the NY, CA, or MA gun laws, which help result in low gun death rates in those states. If every state adopted those rules - aka a national policy - weâd see far fewer gun deaths. Weâd even see fewer mass shootings. Why? Because all the empirical evidence shows that strong gun laws prevent gun deaths.
And for those bots and gun humpers who point to Chicago as a failure of strong gun laws, thatâs actually counterfactual.
Many of the guns used in crimes in Chicago Illinois come from out of state - where the gun laws are weaker. Itâs actually the evidence that strong nationwide gun laws would reduce gun violence everywhere, including Chicago.
re: #57 MsJ
Nothing thereâŠwhat was it?
Maybe Nikki Guerlain has you blocked on FB for some reason? It was her facebook postâŠmainly a screenshot of Echoplex Mediaâs Twitter response to Roosh tweeting on Friday that pants were invented for men and any woman who wears anything that has two leg-holes is an immodest you-know [and this part being unstated but it being Roosh nonetheless obvious] who deserves to have him rape her.
Echoplex said that it was a lot of words for âNobody will fuck meâ.
Nikkiâs only addition to the screenshot was the words âBahaha! So wordy!â
re: #55 Archangelus
What would happen if 30-50 feral hogs came running into my yard while my kids were playing?
They wouldnât, because thereâs a damned fence keeping the hogs out. And I sure as fuck wouldnât be firing at hogs when my kids could be in the line of fire and potentially be struck. You donât fire at anything without looking at what is beyond where youâre pointing the barrel.
Iâd trap the hogs, and then sell âem to an abattoir whoâd turn âem into sausage and other swine goodness for those that are into such things.
re: #59 HappyWarrior
Except that doesnât fucking happen. Signed a guy who actually has deer in his backyard and not a right wing snob who hides behind absurdity.
We have âem too. If you have that many deer in your yardâand at times there are 20-plus in our 2.7 acres as the entire herd converges on itâitâs usually because you have no useful predators capable of taking down said deer. To include humans, because itâs already illegal to discharge a firearm there because the next house is less than 2 miles away.
re: #3 GlutenFreeJesus
Charles, I canât renember if youâve ever posted any Porcupine Tree.
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The first I ever heard them was when Charles posted âFear of a Blank Planet,â which has become one of my favorite songs. Stephen Wilson seems to be the heir to Roger Watersâ Dour Englishman in Rock mantle. I dig that.
Interesting: @BetoORourke tells @jonfavs heâs open to an Australia-style mandatory buyback program for guns.
That makes him the most prominent Democratic presidential candidate favoring that idea. pic.twitter.com/Rb0xsSPlavâ Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) August 6, 2019
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China has cut off its markets for American farm products. American farmers will go bankrupt thanks to your stupid trade war. Chinaâs investment in the US has dropped since you started your trade war.
Youâre losing, & you keep doubling down. Thatâs how your casinos went bankruptâ lawhawk (@lawhawk) August 6, 2019
re: #67 Belafon
Beto could take on Cornyn and win. Let him champion that in the Senate.
Exactly. We also donât pretend weâd be able to stand up to the mightiest military force the world has ever seen if it ever decided to turn on us. Nor would we be likely to interpret the 2A in the ultra broad way the NRA & gun lobby has convinced Americans to do.
â Mike Haydon (@MikeHaydon) August 6, 2019
>>>the only airworthy ones left are in Iran, not just because theyâre only useful in air combat). The #FederalFirearmsAct is probably looking at a test case to overturn it THIS year and itâs been in place for over 80.
â (((Chrysi Cat))) (@chrysicat) August 6, 2019
Housing price decreases has now hit Washington state. So both California and Washington are seeing this.
I have never, in all the time I have gotten real estate notifications (many years now), ever seen a price decrease in WA.
I, for one, would welcome a horde of lawn munching deer, since it would save me the time, fuel, and noise pollution of mowing the damn thing.
re: #35 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
There are some things that the Free Market is jut not meant for: husbanding and exploiting resources, infrastructure, education and HEALTH CARE
It is fine when there are certain market mechanisms at work in these areas, but we cannot allow those who dominate the markets to establish the rules of play
There is no such thing as a free market. All markets have rules and those rule steer the results. I prefer to talk about what rules market you want, for example one where the rules promote competition among many buyers and sellers or a rules market that promotes less competition.
re: #72 Chrysicat
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We claim we need the 2A to stand against potential tyranny and then tell critics of police abuse to shut up and worship the military. They donât want the 2A to fight tyranny, they want it to aid it.
re: #69 lawhawk
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You got farmers who are watching the markets for their products dry up as China looks for imports from other nations, and Trump âstanding with themâ amounts to a check and empty promises. Heâs been saying this shit for two years and nothing has changed except a lot more family farms ending up in the red or bankruptcy.
But yetâŠtheyâll vote for him next year because âHeâs standing up to China!â
re: #77 Targetpractice
You got farmers who are watching the markets for their products dry up as China looks for imports from other nations, and Trump âstanding with themâ amounts to a check and empty promises. Heâs been saying this shit for two years and nothing has changed except a lot more family farms ending up in the red or bankruptcy.
But yetâŠtheyâll vote for him next year because âHeâs standing up to China!â
Or sure his policies hurt my farm but at least heâs keeping the ill eagles out and he likes God and hates abortion. The irony to me is the people who complain most about identity politics are the biggest adherents to it.
re: #31 Amory Blaine
Dow is up 194.
I do not get the roulette wheel that is the stock market.
re: #38 MsJ
Interesting After Hours trading from the overnight. Everything up (some). Not to the level lost but interesting nonetheless.
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Trump does this to help his short seller buddies.
Say something stupid to piss of China
Markets crash
His friends with $$$$ swoop in to buy everything
Wait a few days to recover
Sell/profit
And note that stocks are up not because of anything that Trump or the Fed did, but because China has begun to stabilize the yuan. The message is pretty clear from Beijing: âWe can bring down your whole economy and not break a sweat.â
re: #74 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
I, for one, would welcome a horde of lawn munching deer, since it would save me the time, fuel, and noise pollution of mowing the damn thing.
you need goats.
Does anyone know why the stock market is up today? Iâve been watching for 50 years and I have no idea. (I started young).
Headline News had the banner saying that the Dayton shooter was retweeting extreme left posts. Iâm thinking:
1. We still think these guns should not be available.
2. You do know that the left and right meet out back, right?
3. The image of him screaming âDeath to corporate Americaâ while killing citizens downtown doesnât really make any sense.
re: #85 Belafon
Headline News had the banner saying that the Dayton shooter was retweeting extreme left posts. Iâm thinking:
1. We still think these guns should not be available.
2. You do know that the left and right meet out back, right?
3. The image of him screaming âDeath to corporate Americaâ while killing citizens downtown doesnât really make any sense.
Exactly. And Iâll add that he had a lot of the sexism rampant on the right too.
Good morning Lizards:
#videogamesaretoblame
A very old meme but unfortunately itâs still relevant af pic.twitter.com/gXdw1T8bJiâ Rigisk (@rigisk) August 6, 2019
re: #84 I Would Prefer Not To
you need goats.
Does anyone know why the stock market is up today? Iâve been watching for 50 years and I have no idea. (I started young).
If you canât figure out how to turn a profit on a war, you shouldnât be in the stock market.
re: #62 lawhawk
Trumpâs right back at the white supremacist racist crap, attacking Obama because Trump (correctly) deduced that Obama was talking about Trump and Trumpâs racist actions.
Trump was made aware that he had to choke back his bile and go on record as being against White Supremacism.
But one cannot expect him to stay on script if he feels that he is being personally attacked or even simply insufficiently praised.
Trump yesterday: âWe need to get past partisanship.â
Trump today: âHOW DARE OBAMA CRITICIZE ME?!â
Rest In Power, Toni Morrison
BREAKING: Author Toni Morrison, a barrier-breaking novelist and editor who was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature, has died at age 88, her publisher tells @NBCNews. pic.twitter.com/uKInNZSxN8
â MSNBC (@MSNBC) August 6, 2019
re: #75 Old Liberal
There is no such thing as a free market. All markets have rules and those rule steer the results. I prefer to talk about what rules market you want, for example one where the rules promote competition among many buyers and sellers or a rules market that promotes less competition.
All those people who praise the Invisible Hand never really read Adam Smith, he made it clear that markets need to be regulated so that they benefit everyone, producers and consumers, employers and employees.
re: #91 The Pie Overlord!
Rest In Power, Toni Morrison
I have only read Sula, but it was good enough I read it twice.
Misdirection & projection, as usual
@sundarpichai of Google was in the Oval Office working very hard to explain how much he liked me, what a great job the Administration is doing, that Google was not involved with Chinaâs military, that they didnât help Crooked Hillary over me in the 2016 Election, and that theyâŠ
â Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 6, 2019
âŠ.in 2020.â Lou Dobbs stated that this is a fraud on the American public. @peterschweizer stated with certainty that they suppressed negative stories on Hillary Clinton, and boosted negative stories on Donald Ttump. All very illegal. We are watching Google very closely!
â Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 6, 2019
re: #94 The Pie Overlord!
Misdirection & projection, as usual
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My Lord, Donnie is extra pitiful this morning.
Interesting: Official Cybersecurity Review Finds U.S. Military Buying High-Risk Chinese Tech
While its the major defense programs and operations that have dominated the headlines in the escalating cyber warfare standoff between the U.S. and its adversariesâChina and Russia in particular, a new report issued by the U.S. militaryâs Inspector General has highlighted the âmicro-purchasesâ of everyday IT equipment as a serious risk. In particular, the report focuses on the continued acquisition of products âwith known cybersecurity vulnerabilitiesâ and on products excluded from other branches of government but which had not been removed from DOD procurement listsâthis includes Chinese surveillance technology that is now banned.
Despite U.S. Department of Defense strategists admitting that cyber risks now âkeep them awake at night,â the IG report found that significant purchases of âCOTS information technology items with known cybersecurity risksâ were made last year. It is estimated that â70 to 80% percent of the components that comprise DOD systems are COTS items.â The heavily redacted IG report highlights âat leastâ $33 million of Government Procurement Card purchases of equipment from the likes of Lenovo, Lexmark and GoPro. As a result, it warns, âadversaries could exploit known cybersecurity vulnerabilities that exist in COTS items, and missions critical to national security could be compromised.â
re: #95 b.d.
My Lord, Donnie is extra pitiful this morning.
It happens any time heâs forced to do something that he doesnât want to and doesnât immediately get fawning praise. He feels he has to put on his âtough guyâ persona and rant away on Twitter.
re: #94 The Pie Overlord!
Misdirection & projection, as usual
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Not even a day later and heâs complaining again. Heâs about as predictable as a sunrise.
re: #97 Targetpractice
It happens any time heâs forced to do something that he doesnât want to and doesnât immediately get fawning praise. He feels he has to put on his âtough guyâ persona and rant away on Twitter.
It makes him look the opposite of tough. It makes him look like a teenage brat.
If youâre on here arguing the definition of âassault weaponâ today you are part of the problem. You know what an assault weapon is, and you know you donât need one.
â Jason Isbell (@JasonIsbell) August 4, 2019
Pay attention to the name.
re: #94 The Pie Overlord!
Misdirection & projection, as usual
Is this part of his âWe all need to come togetherâ message?
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re: #99 HappyWarrior
It makes him look the opposite of tough. It makes him look like a teenage brat.
Itâs like every time in the past when heâs been forced to be âpresidential,â his obvious resentment of being forced shows and kills any positive response to the exercise. So he falls back on the only positive feedback he can get, which is the fawning praise of his base who want to see him bullying âthose people.â
re: #100 Belafon
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Pay attention to the name.
Heâs a great musician and Iâm glad heâs on our side.
re: #100 Belafon
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Learn to play guitar
â Jason Isbell (@JasonIsbell) August 4, 2019
re: #99 HappyWarrior
It makes him look the opposite of tough. It makes him look like a teenage brat.
When is his next rally? That will start off sober but he canât help himself, heâll let his freak flag fly.
re: #97 Targetpractice
It happens any time heâs forced to do something that he doesnât want to and doesnât immediately get fawning praise. He feels he has to put on his âtough guyâ persona and rant away on Twitter.
Thereâs also the need to stir up his angry supporters again after two days of inconvenient news that distracted from their angry-ness.
re: #105 b.d.
When is his next rally? That will start off sober but he canât help himself, heâll let his freak flag fly.
I donât think his next rally will even start off sober.
re: #101 Sir John Barron
Is this part of his âWe all need to come togetherâ message?
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Speaking of coming together, Kellywise was also on F&F today, where she showed that commitment to putting aside partisanshipâŠby whining that Warren isnât being blamed for the Dayton shooting and promoting the viewpoint that âunityâ means everybody needs to start âworking withâ Trump.
re: #85 Belafon
Headline News had the banner saying that the Dayton shooter was retweeting extreme left posts. Iâm thinking:
1. We still think these guns should not be available.
2. You do know that the left and right meet out back, right?
3. The image of him screaming âDeath to corporate Americaâ while killing citizens downtown doesnât really make any sense.
Did the shooter like a âFeel The Bernâ group on FB or something? Thatâs usually the angle with wingnuts.
The grandson of the commander of Auschwitz comes to speak to a group of Israeli high school students. And at the end, a Holocaust survivor speaks to him.
The next minute and a half is both beautiful and heartbreaking. A reminder that there is so much light even in such darkness. pic.twitter.com/DcQedNe5nOâ Elad Nehorai (@PopChassid) August 6, 2019
âI think China is getting hurt significantly, much more than we are,â Kudlow said.
âThe American economy is very strong. Theirs is not,â he added.ï»ż
Since itâs Kuddles, that pretty much guarantees that weâll be at 8%+ unemployment by Nov. 2020, and yet, somehow, the Chinese will be chugging along at a 7%+ growth rate.
That boy is the best predictor Iâve ever seen for the stock market. But it ainât the way he thinks.
re: #111 Sufficient unto the dayâŠ
Since itâs Kuddles, that pretty much guarantees that weâll be at 8%+ unemployment by Nov. 2020, and yet, somehow, the Chinese will be chugging along at a 7%+ growth rate.
That boy is the best predictor Iâve ever seen for the stock market. But it ainât the way he thinks.
Meanwhile, the Fed Chairmanâs warning that he was cutting rates to keep the US economy from stalling have already been forgotten by this pack of madmen who think that they can force China to its knees before the US economy crashes.
re: #112 Targetpractice
Meanwhile, the Fed Chairmanâs warning that he was cutting rates to keep the US economy from stalling have already been forgotten by this pack of madmen who think that they can force China to its knees before the US economy crashes.
It looks like we have given China a button that makes the US markets go up and down like an elevator.
re: #113 Decatur Deb
It looks like we have given China a button that makes the US markets go up and down like an elevator.
With an administration that is gambling that it can get to Election Day without the bottom falling out of the market.
re: #12 Anymouse đčđ
An actual Red Flag law with teeth to remove firearms from the home of someone convicted of domestic violence would reduce the number of spousal murders.
They wonât do a damn thing about mass-murders.
It might also help with incels â and Connor Betts does seem like an incel.
re: #111 Sufficient unto the dayâŠ
âI think China is getting hurt significantly, much more than we are,â Kudlow said.
âThe American economy is very strong. Theirs is not,â he added.ï»ż
We punched them really hard in the fist with our face, followed by a blow to their kneecap with the pit of our stomach!
So, the IT guy for one of the companies I teach for now has my Sony Vaio - and hopefully, with any luck, he can get it working again. For free!
Heâs sitting on a ton of laptop and desktop parts, and he has absolutely nothing to do, so for him, this is one of those âchallenge acceptedâ sort of things.
Itâs an almost eight-year old laptop, so Iâm not counting on it, but heyâŠâŠif he can get it working again, thatâd be great. And greatly appreciated.
Meanwhile, the Acer Aspire One antique seems to be running pretty good for the time being (knock on wood) after I loaded LUbuntu 18.04 on it (LUbuntu being a lite version of the Ubuntu OS, which is probably best for this old beast running an Intel Atom CPU).
After more thought on the topic, âRed Flag lawsâ are actually a âredâ herring: an effort to distract from regulation of the real culprits: weapons of war in the hands of citizens, large magazines, transfer of weapons without background checks, and straw purchases.
re: #62 lawhawk
the âcountâ is a red herring
the only distinction between obama and trump that matters (on this topic) is:
He called for sensible gun control
Watching traffic here and all over the political net, you can see a determination that the mass-shooter problem has one cause and one path to solution. We hear it could be the means, could be the madness, could be morality, politics, culture, national character.
Why not all of them, Katie? Weâre looking at synergistic drivers, and unplugging any of the them is likely to reduce the effect.
re: #119 DangerMan
the âcountâ is a red herring
the only distinction between obama and trump that matters (on this topic) is:
He called for sensible gun control
He called for sensible gun control, he didnât promote hate towards any one group or race, and he actually sought bipartisan support rather than demanding âunity.â
The GOP is so excited to finally find a mass shooting committed by a leftist they can barely control themselves. https://t.co/i9RepL1Lwz
â Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) August 6, 2019
re: #77 Targetpractice
You got farmers who are watching the markets for their products dry up as China looks for imports from other nations, and Trump âstanding with themâ amounts to a check and empty promises. Heâs been saying this shit for two years and nothing has changed except a lot more family farms ending up in the red or bankruptcy.
But yetâŠtheyâll vote for him next year because âHeâs standing up to China!â
hey if you want to sacrifice your farm, family and future for trump, have at it
btw - whatâs your backup plan?
and donât dare tell me waiting for a bailout is your plan
re: #122 The Pie Overlord!
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Warren has never joked about hurting people. You yourself otoh openly decried more Hispanic children born in Texas than white ones. As the Uncle of a Hispanic child, fuck you and your party.
re: #85 Belafon
Headline News had the banner saying that the Dayton shooter was retweeting extreme left posts. Iâm thinking:
1. We still think these guns should not be available.
2. You do know that the left and right meet out back, right?
3. The image of him screaming âDeath to corporate Americaâ while killing citizens downtown doesnât really make any sense.
re: #125 DangerMan
On gender that seems to be the biggest intersection.
re: #118 Hecubaâs daughter
After more thought on the topic, âRed Flag lawsâ are actually a âredâ herring: an effort to distract from regulation of the real culprits: weapons of war in the hands of citizens, large magazines, transfer of weapons without background checks, and straw purchases.
âRed Flagâ laws are a worthwhile endeavor, but theyâre much like universal background checks in that theyâre dependent on all levels of the system complying with the law. Iâd have to see an actual proposal before I thought the effort was serious, because I donât trust anything with teeth to meet with NRA approval.
re: #87 b.d.
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thereâs no 2A for video games.
if they make you violent, as the Râs have been saying for what?, 20 years or so, why arent they passing legislation to restrict the hell out of them? theyâve had enough time
re: #122 The Pie Overlord!
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Sorry Crooked Johnny, but he was more misogynist than leftist. Rather like you; blatting whatever he thinks his so-called friends want to hear while plotting based on hate of a single group. Non-whites for you, Johnny, non-males for him.
re: #125 DangerMan
Are you suggesting that the grief starts, not with âLeftâ or âRightâ, but with âextremeâ? What are you, some kind of Center-invested milquetoast gradualist?
re: #129 William Lewis
Sorry Crooked Johnny, but he was more misogynist than leftist. Rather like you; blatting whatever he thinks his so-called friends want to hear while plotting based on hate of a single group. Non-whites for you, Johnny, non-males for him.
Exactly. Itâs not like he targeted a big corporation or the local GOP. In fact, he targeted his sister. His sexism inspired this more than his economics views.
re: #88 Belafon
If you canât figure out how to turn a profit on a war, you shouldnât be in the stock market.
I can make money on war. Itâs the fucking stupidity Iâm have no idea how to monetize.
re: #106 Sir John Barron
Thereâs also the need to stir up his angry supporters again after two days of inconvenient news that distracted from their angry-ness.
itâs another way of telegraphing âignore all that stuff i said on monday. didnt really mean itâ
re: #132 I Would Prefer Not To
I can make money on war. Itâs the fucking stupidity Iâm have no idea how to monetize.
1. Buy a tent.
2, Start a revival.
3. Profit.
re: #128 DangerMan
thereâs no 2A for video games.
if they make you violent, as the Râs have been saying for what?, 20 years or so, why arent they passing legislation to restrict the hell out of them? theyâve had enough time
They suggested such during the 90s, but were stopped when the video games industry established the ESRB and began regulating themselves by putting ratings on the boxes. Hence why most of those âviolent video gamesâ have prominent markings that they contain violence and are not suited for children.
Meanwhile, the gun industryâs approach to self-regulationâŠis suggesting that you buy a .22lr for your kid to get him started earlier.
re: #135 Targetpractice
They suggested such during the 90s, but were stopped when the video games industry established the ESRB and began regulating themselves by putting ratings on the boxes. Hence why most of those âviolent video gamesâ have prominent markings that they contain violence and are not suited for children.
Meanwhile, the gun industryâs approach to self-regulationâŠis suggesting that you buy a .22lr for your kid to get him started earlier.
I actually think gaming made me appreciate life more. Iâm a big MGS fan.
re: #134 Decatur Deb
1. Buy a tent.
2, Start a revival.
3. Profit.
Heinlein once said starting a religion was the fastest way to get rich if you could stomach the lies. His friend L Ron Hubbard said, âhold my beerâ.
re: #117 Dr Lizardo
So, the IT guy for one of the companies I teach for now has my Sony Vaio - and hopefully, with any luck, he can get it working again. For free!
Heâs sitting on a ton of laptop and desktop parts, and he has absolutely nothing to do, so for him, this is one of those âchallenge acceptedâ sort of things.
Itâs an almost eight-year old laptop, so Iâm not counting on it, but heyâŠâŠif he can get it working again, thatâd be great. And greatly appreciated.
Meanwhile, the Acer Aspire One antique seems to be running pretty good for the time being (knock on wood) after I loaded LUbuntu 18.04 on it (LUbuntu being a lite version of the Ubuntu OS, which is probably best for this old beast running an Intel Atom CPU).
if itâs an overheating problem and you havent thought of it, my experience is if you can open up the bottom you may find the cpu has been totally covered by dust that has been sucked in over time.
re: #135 Targetpractice
They suggesting such during the 90s, but were stopped when the video games industry established the ESRB and began regulating themselves by putting ratings on the boxes. Hence why most of those âviolent video gamesâ have prominent markings that they contain violence and are not suited for children.
Meanwhile, the gun industryâs approach to self-regulationâŠis suggesting that you buy a .22lr for your kid to get him started earlier.
My son turned out to have little to no interest in real firearms (plenty of shootâemâup video games though) but I did make him go out and use a .22 rifle long enough to teach the basics of safely handling a firearm. I should go over the rules with him again to make sure he still remembers them.
re: #122 The Pie Overlord!
@JohnCornyn
The Dayton killer was a left-winger, but donât blame Sen. Warren.
did he quote her directly and repeatedly?
re: #135 Targetpractice
They suggesting such during the 90s, but were stopped when the video games industry established the ESRB and began regulating themselves by putting ratings on the boxes. Hence why most of those âviolent video gamesâ have prominent markings that they contain violence and are not suited for children.
Meanwhile, the gun industryâs approach to self-regulationâŠis suggesting that you buy a .22lr for your kid to get him started earlier.
Ratings I have overlooked multiple times with my kids, who, btw, reluctantly fire a gun when I take them out to shoot (which Iâve only done a couple of times) just so they know how to properly handle one.
re: #140 DangerMan
did he quote her directly and repeatedly?
And Senator Warren was targeting which group of people with threatening language?
re: #138 DangerMan
if itâs an overheating problem and you havent thought of it, my experience is if you can open up the bottom you may find the cpu has been totally covered by dust that has been sucked in over time.
Iâm fairly sure thatâs what happened. And I think itâs also possible the CPU fan burned out somewhere along the line, which caused the problems.
Like I said, itâs an eight-year old machine, so Iâd imagine thereâs probably a ton of dust in there. Unfortunately, I donât have the tools to open it up, and a few of the screws are damn near glued in there, LOL.
In the future, Iâm thinking of a Raspberry Pi - I have almost everything, all Iâd need is the keyboard. I can use my HDTV as a monitor, I have the mouse, I have a 32 Gb flash card thatâs empty, though I need to get the SanDisk reader for itâŠ..aside from that, I could run a Raspberry Pi machine. Probably be better, too.
re: #121 Targetpractice
He called for sensible gun control, he didnât promote hate towards any one group or race, and he actually sought bipartisan support rather than demanding âunity.â
you are right of course
i said âonlyâ because anything else muddies the waters
we cant have a discussion about trump tempering or stopping his promotion of hate
we cant have a discussion about trump demanding unity
we can easily say: âyou and mitch, where is your legislative solutionâ?
re: #130 Decatur Deb
Are you suggesting that the grief starts, not with âLeftâ or âRightâ, but with âextremeâ? What are you, some kind of Center-invested milquetoast gradualist?
wow, did i say all that? /s
re: #144 DangerMan
you are right of course
i said âonlyâ because anything else muddies the waterswe cant have a discussion about trump tempering or stopping his promotion of hate
we cant have a discussion about trump demanding unitywe can easily say: âyou and mitch, where is your legislative solutionâ?
They donât have one. Note that theyâre not in any way addressing the bill currently sitting on Mitchâs desk, but instead promising that theyâre gonna put forward proposals at some nebulous future date. Like always, their entire play is to wait out public outrage, wait until the fire dies down, then quietly drop the push for gun control by saying that itâs ânot a priority.â
re: #132 I Would Prefer Not To
I can make money on war. Itâs the fucking stupidity Iâm have no idea how to monetize.
actually stupidity is easy to monetize.
some of us have a sense of morality and humanity that wonât let us prey on other people no matter how easy it is
re: #55 Archangelus
Yell âBOOâ and they will all leave.
Well. The deer would. Not sure about alien space ships.
re: #135 Targetpractice
They suggested such during the 90s, but were stopped when the video games industry established the ESRB and began regulating themselves by putting ratings on the boxes. Hence why most of those âviolent video gamesâ have prominent markings that they contain violence and are not suited for children.
Meanwhile, the gun industryâs approach to self-regulationâŠis suggesting that you buy a .22lr for your kid to get him started earlier.
right, but that self regulation obviously hasnât worked, so when is congress gonna get on this!
re: #137 William Lewis
Heinlein once said starting a religion was the fastest way to get rich if you could stomach the lies. His friend L Ron Hubbard said, âhold my beerâ.
precisely
re: #148 retired cynic
Yell âBOOâ and they will all leave.
Well. The deer would. Not sure about alien space ships.
âI have a cold.â
In her weekly newsletter, my Republican congress-quitter shows that itâs not SOCIALISM if you own a tractor.
re: #149 DangerMan
right, but that self regulation obviously hasnât worked, so when is congress gonna get on this!
Well, they are getting on the video game industry these days, but itâs not for violence. Itâs for loot boxes or âsurprise mechanicsâ as EA has dubbed them.
re: #152 Decatur Deb
In her weekly newsletter, my Republican congress-quitter shows that itâs not SOCIALISM if you own a tractor.
âLast Monday, the Trump Administration opened the second round of applications for the Market Facilitation Program (MFP). MFP is designed to aid farmers and ranchers whose commodities have been directly impacted by foreign retaliatory tariffs, and President Trump authorized USDA to provide up to $14.5 billion in direct payments through MFP.
These payments will be made to mitigate the losses for non-specialty crops, specialty crops, and animal products. More information about eligibility and the application process can be found here.â
so it is foreign retaliatory tariffs that are the culprit, not the clueless orangutan who started this trade war in the first place
re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
âLast Monday, the Trump Administration opened the second round of applications for the Market Facilitation Program (MFP). MFP is designed to aid farmers and ranchers whose commodities have been directly impacted by foreign retaliatory tariffs, and President Trump authorized USDA to provide up to $14.5 billion in direct payments through MFP.
These payments will be made to mitigate the losses for non-specialty crops, specialty crops, and animal products. More information about eligibility and the application process can be found here.â
so it is foreign retaliatory tariffs that are the culprit, not the clueless orangutan who started this trade war in the first place
What if China did not institute retaliatory tariffs but just refused to purchase anything from the US? What then? Would the farmers still be eligible for these subsidies?
If you keep a rape list than youâre actually not subscribing to âleftistâ ideologies.
â Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) August 6, 2019
re: #155 Hecubaâs daughter
What if China did not institute retaliatory tariffs but just refused to purchase anything from the US? What then? Would the farmers still be eligible for these subsidies?
Didnât they just do that?
re: #156 The Pie Overlord!
Sheâs going for âNo True Leftistâ, there.
re: #156 The Pie Overlord!
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Correct. Sexism may transcend ideology but he was a sexist above all else and the proof is in who he murdered.
re: #158 Decatur Deb
Sheâs going for âNo True Leftistâ, there.
No. Sheâs pointing out that his sexism not his leftism led him to kill people. Ted Bundy was an active Republican. That had nothing to do with his murders.
re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
âLast Monday, the Trump Administration opened the second round of applications for the Market Facilitation Program (MFP). MFP is designed to aid farmers and ranchers whose commodities have been directly impacted by foreign retaliatory tariffs, and President Trump authorized USDA to provide up to $14.5 billion in direct payments through MFP.
These payments will be made to mitigate the losses for non-specialty crops, specialty crops, and animal products. More information about eligibility and the application process can be found here.â
so it is foreign retaliatory tariffs that are the culprit, not the clueless orangutan who started this trade war in the first place
I.e. âThe fight began when China struck backâ
If he targeted Wall Street, Banks, etc, there would be a point. He went after his sister.
re: #155 Hecubaâs daughter
China did call for cessation of purchases of agricultural products from the US. No tariffs. Just shut down the import of raw agricultural products sold by American farmers.
Chinaâs already lined up Russia and Brazil to fill the gap. Those farmers are benefiting. American farmers get a fat zero. Theyâre stuck with glut of farm product and no where to sell it. That means they lose a perishable good, and saddled with the losses.
Trump just fucked his base. Does his base care, or do they think this is winning.
Dear Bernie Kids: If you want to see an actual dangerous radical, behold.
Former President Jimmy Carter lives in a $167,000 house and shops at the Dollar General
cnbc.com
(Picked up from reddit)
re: #164 Decatur Deb
Carter has spent his post-presidency building housing for the poor in the US and around the world as part of Habitat for Humanity. Heâs the model of what a post-president should do - commit his resources and efforts to helping others.
You sure as fuck know Trump wouldnât do any of that. If heâs not in prison, heâd be doing things that should put him there (scamming others, running grifts and cons, and enriching himself at the expense of everyone else).
re: #163 lawhawk
China did call for cessation of purchases of agricultural products from the US. No tariffs. Just shut down the import of raw agricultural products sold by American farmers.
Chinaâs already lined up Russia and Brazil to fill the gap. Those farmers are benefiting. American farmers get a fat zero. Theyâre stuck with glut of farm product and no where to sell it. That means they lose a perishable good, and saddled with the losses.
Trump just fucked his base. Does his base care, or do they think this is winning.
Reminds me of the story about the ex-Blackjewel miners who are presently staging a protest by preventing their former employerâs ill-gotten spoils to be moved by train. One of the fellows was moaning to the press that Donny has not even acknowledged them via a tweet. Yet you can be sure theyâll all vote for him next November because they really believe heâs gonna be their âsavior.â
re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
so it is foreign retaliatory tariffs that are the culprit, not the clueless orangutan who started this trade war in the first place
Of course, thatâs going to be the official Administration line: it has numerous advantages as a strategy:
1. It puts the blame for farmersâ problems on the âunfairâ Chinese: as usual in the Trump Admin.: they have a âsinister foreign powerâ to dump on. To divert responsibility from their own actions, naturally.
2. Point 1 simply feeds into the stock Trumpian themes of self-righteousness and victimization which he has made the hallmark of the shabby travesty which passes for US foreign policy these days.
3. It lets the Administration hold out prospects of billions of dollars in handouts to the usual Corporate Interests, neatly disguised as âhelping farming familiesâ or whatever.
4. It provides a handy cudgel to beat critics of the policy (i.e âwhy do Democrats hate American Farmers?â, etc.)
Of course, one might ask the question of how a policy of a US Administration more-or-less consciously destroying a major agricultural export market, then begging for billions in taxpayer funding to make up for said lost markets jibes with a supposedly âfree marketâ - but then, see Point 1 aboveâŠ
re: #157 makeitstop
Didnât they just do that?
But isnât the justification for the subsidies that they are impacted by âforeign retaliatory tariffsâ? Of course, Democrats wonât challenge this distribution because it would be a losing political argument for them for the next election.
No, the Wobblies not only specifically call themselves âleftistâ (along with much of the rest of #RedTwitter), they refer to âthe liberal rightâ. Itâs being reclaimed in much the same way as orientation slurs, they argue.
â (((Chrysi Cat))) (@chrysicat) August 6, 2019
re: #155 Hecubaâs daughter
What if China did not institute retaliatory tariffs but just refused to purchase anything from the US? What then? Would the farmers still be eligible for these subsidies?
As long as they remain firm Trump supporters, they will get anything they need to keep them loyal
re: #160 HappyWarrior
No. Sheâs pointing out that his sexism not his leftism led him to kill people. Ted Bundy was an active Republican. That had nothing to do with his murders.
Betts is an incel. They are responsible for several recent mass murders/spree murders. These types of murders have nothing to do with political ideology.
re: #169 Chrysicat
Have always called myself a leftist, or liberal. and would join the IWW even now if they werenât mostly a nostalgia trip. Some of the same problem with the SDSâSeniors for a Democratic Society.
Around here, Iâm just âThe guy who consistently shows up.â
re: #161 Teukka
I.e. âThe fight began when China struck backâ
Since 5.45 we have been retaliating!
re: #171 Hecubaâs daughter
Betts is an incel. They are responsible for several recent mass murders/spree murders. These types of murders have nothing to do with political ideology.
Correct. That was my point. Incels may have different economic beliefs among them but theyâre all sexists first and the sexism not Bettsâ economics views led him to violence.
re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
They just see him as a loser.
Actually most Bernie fans I know like Carter.
re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
They just see him as a loser.
In the second wave of any real proletarian revolution, Bernie and his wife would be put against a wall.
And she still agreed to a second date. https://t.co/xXstSZiArU
â JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) August 6, 2019
re: #171 Hecubaâs daughter
Betts is an incel. They are responsible for several recent mass murders/spree murders. These types of murders have nothing to do with political ideology.
Isnât there an incel board or site where they deify these mass murderers? I would look at it but cannot recall what it is.
Anyone?
re: #146 Targetpractice
They donât have one. Note that theyâre not in any way addressing the bill currently sitting on Mitchâs desk, but instead promising that theyâre gonna put forward proposals at some nebulous future date. Like always, their entire play is to wait out public outrage, wait until the fire dies down, then quietly drop the push for gun control by saying that itâs ânot a priority.â
this exactly
re: #122 The Pie Overlord!
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Democrats care about the ideology of the shooter only to the extent that we can figure out how to stop the radicalization. It pains me to even type this, but if you think that Warren has said anything that would incite violence (particularly what appears to be something rooted in the world of incels and gross misogyny), then you probably need written instructions on how to breather. And of course, Cornyn knows this.
But aside from all of that, even if the guy was a true blue progressive, Democrats would not forego gun control legislation. Democrats want to pass reasonable regulations irrespective of the shooterâs ideology.
re: #180 MsJ
Isnât there an incel board or site where they deify these mass murderers? I would look at it but cannot recall what it is.
Anyone?
Maybe not for the moment, âcause Iâll lay money it was part of 8chan.
But Iâm sure itâll be back up momentarily đ€ąđ€ź
re: #180 MsJ
Isnât there an incel board or site where they deify these mass murderers? I would look at it but cannot recall what it is.
Anyone?
I think thereâs still a couple of them on Reddit. Thereâs a subreddit called âTop Minds of Redditâ where they mock incels, conspiracy theorists, Trumpites, RWNJâs, LWNJâs, homophobes, etc.
That sub serves as mockery and also keeps tabs on the hate groups running around Reddit. Theyâve gotten a couple of subreddits shut down and their efforts are believed to be what got âThe Donaldâ subreddit quarantined.
â Edwin Mix (@TheEdMix) August 5, 2019
re: #182 Mike Lamb
Democrats care about the ideology of the shooter only to the extent that we can figure out how to stop the radicalization. It pains me to even type this, but if you think that Warren has said anything that would incite violence (particularly what appears to be something rooted in the world of incels and gross misogyny), then you probably need written instructions on how to breather. And of course, Cornyn knows this.
But aside from all of that, even if the guy was a true blue progressive, Democrats would not forego gun control legislation. Democrats want to pass reasonable regulations irrespective of the shooterâs ideology.
We did after the baseball field shooting. Now that one was politically motivated. This one? Not so much.
Is it just me or should someone with a kill list never have a gun?
â Sam (@slipperyhero) August 6, 2019
re: #185 gocart mozart
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Ben Shapiro worked for Steve Bannon for years attacking liberal Jews. Neither he or his family deserve threats but Ben isnât an innocent bystander. Heâs a hateful toad who was fine with the alt-right until they turned on him.
re: #159 HappyWarrior
Correct. Sexism may transcend ideology but he was a sexist above all else and the proof is in who he murdered.
gee - a person can be more than one thing?
whodathunkit?
re: #187 Chrysicat
Is it just me or should someone with a kill list never have a gun?
Outside of Kill Bill, anyone with a kill list should be under observation.
re: #163 lawhawk
China did call for cessation of purchases of agricultural products from the US. No tariffs. Just shut down the import of raw agricultural products sold by American farmers.
Chinaâs already lined up Russia and Brazil to fill the gap. Those farmers are benefiting. American farmers get a fat zero. Theyâre stuck with glut of farm product and no where to sell it. That means they lose a perishable good, and saddled with the losses.
Trump just fucked his base. Does his base care, or do they think this is winning.
like i said somewhere above, if you want to sacrifice your heritage, farm, family and future for trump, who am i to stand in your way?
whatâs your backup plan?
and dont say waiting for a future government subsidy is your plan
re: #167 Jay C
Of course, thatâs going to be the official Administration line: it has numerous advantages as a strategy:
1. It puts the blame for farmersâ problems on the âunfairâ Chinese: as usual in the Trump Admin.: they have a âsinister foreign powerâ to dump on. To divert responsibility from their own actions, naturally.
2. Point 1 simply feeds into the stock Trumpian themes of self-righteousness and victimization which he has made the hallmark of the shabby travesty which passes for US foreign policy these days.
3. It lets the Administration hold out prospects of billions of dollars in handouts to the usual Corporate Interests, neatly disguised as âhelping farming familiesâ or whatever.
4. It provides a handy cudgel to beat critics of the policy (i.e âwhy do Democrats hate American Farmers?â, etc.)Of course, one might ask the question of how a policy of a US Administration more-or-less consciously destroying a major agricultural export market, then begging for billions in taxpayer funding to make up for said lost markets jibes with a supposedly âfree marketâ - but then, see Point 1 aboveâŠ
âthey should have sucked it up and let us have our tariffs without respondingâ is an absolutely boneheaded, stunningly stupid way of thinking about global trade and foreign policy
re: #122 The Pie Overlord!
Senator Warren did nothing which could have motivated the Ohio shooter. The same is not true for Trump and the Texas shooter.
When totalitarians speak of mental illness, itâs a threat. This is laying the groundwork for calling dissidents mentally ill to justify confinement; dissidents of color with publicly acknowledged health issues will be among the first targets under this policy. https://t.co/BRC3h4Zt0V
â April Daniels (@1aprildaniels) August 6, 2019
re: #196 Patricia Kayden
Senator Warren did nothing which could have motivated the Ohio shooter. The same is not true for Trump and the Texas shooter.
If the Ohio shooter had gone to a banking convention and targeted bankers, then one might have an argument â but targeting his sister and random customers at a bar? That does not seem tied to any discernible political motive
I wonât be far behind them, if at all. White trans* dissidents are about as desirable to the entire Right, let alone fascists, as dissidents of colour, &they will claim that itâs an acknowledged mental illness as per #DSM4, and that itâs still in as Gender Dysphoria even in #DSM5
â (((Chrysi Cat))) (@chrysicat) August 6, 2019
And of course, they also feel that all furry is a sexual paraphilia, and those words are still in the DSM5 as well.
re: #199 Chrysicat
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And of course, they also feel that all furry is a sexual paraphilia, and those words are still in the DSM5 as well.
Ask my friends who fled the USSR during the 80s about how the Communist Party would lock up dissidents using âmental illnessâ as a justification.
re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg
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This was near the top of my Google News feed this morning. I canât believe the way this shit gets magnified.
Obama didnât even refer to Trump by name. Trump who is adamant about not being racist flips his shit when heâs not called out directly. He knows heâs guilty as sin.
re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg
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This was near the top of my Google News feed this morning. I canât believe the way this shit gets magnified.
Well, itâs Fox. They need something.
Also, what are his âleftistâ leanings?
What mentally ill trait worthy of involuntary confinement did the El Paso shooter display before he went on a racist slaughter?
re: #204 Belafon
Well, itâs Fox. They need something.
Also, what are his âleftistâ leanings?
Said something vaguely in favor of socialism in a 10th grade history class.
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re: #198 Hecubaâs daughter
If the Ohio shooter had gone to a banking convention and targeted bankers, then one might have an argument â but targeting his sister and random customers at a bar? That does not seem tied to any discernible political motive
this is what i was getting at yesterday
- yes itâs terrorism; of a sort
- unless thereâs a clear message left behind (assuming dead shooter), or motivation is otherwise crystal clear, weâre left guessing as to why
- and if weâre just guessing then the point of causing the carnage and stoking the fear in the innocent public - to effect some sort of change - is lost.
- and if there is no point, or one that cant be discerned, then itâs just meaningless, random chaos perpetrated by anyone who has the wherewithal to buy the weapon
itâs a cowardâs way of making some kind of muddled statement about being in charge or control or having power overâŠsomething, and done so badly that no one gets what the message even is
itâs a total failure as actual, political terrorism
re: #205 b.d.
What mentally ill trait worthy of involuntary confinement did the El Paso shooter display before he went on a racist slaughter?
Exactly.
re: #206 Eclectic Cyborg
Said something vaguely in favor of socialism in a 10th grade history class.
//
It does look like he had leftist economics views but that doesnât explain why he killed his sister and bar patrons. Otoh the El Paso asshole went to El Paso explicitly since itâs a large Hispanic community.
re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg
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Talk to my Russian friends who will tell you this is exactly how TASS/Izvestia/Pravda operated in the USSR to support the Communist Party.
This is why they say the Republican Party operates in the same exact manner as the Soviet Communist Party.
re: #209 HappyWarrior
It does look like he had leftist economics views but that doesnât explain why he killed his sister and bar patrons. Otoh the El Paso asshole went to El Paso explicitly since itâs a large Hispanic community.
humans are complex
while talk about gun control and gun accountability is clearly political, every mass shooting does not have to have a political angle
re: #210 Joe Bacon đč
Talk to my Russian friends who will tell you this is exactly how TASS/Izvestia/Pravda operated in the USSR to support the Communist Party.
This is why they say the Republican Party operates in the same exact manner as the Soviet Communist Party.
Whatever it takes to gain and keep power. Whatever. That is the republican way.
re: #207 DangerMan
this is what i was getting at yesterday
- yes itâs terrorism; of a sort
- unless thereâs a clear message left behind (assuming dead shooter), or motivation is otherwise crystal clear, weâre left guessing as to why
- and if weâre just guessing then the point of causing the carnage and stoking the fear in the innocent public - to effect some sort of change - is lost.
- and if there is no point, or one that cant be discerned, then itâs just meaningless, random chaos perpetrated by anyone who has the wherewithal to buy the weaponitâs a cowardâs way of making some kind of muddled statement about being in charge or control or having power overâŠsomething, and done so badly that no one gets what the message even is
itâs a total failure as actual, political terrorism
Not political terrorism at all â just screaming at the world because access to lethal weapons is too easy in this country.
re: #212 DangerMan
humans are complex
while talk about gun control and gun accountability is clearly political, every mass shooting does not have to have a political angle
We still donât know Paddocks in LV.
re: #209 HappyWarrior
It does look like he had leftist economics views but that doesnât explain why he killed his sister and bar patrons. Otoh the El Paso asshole went to El Paso explicitly since itâs a large Hispanic community.
Weâll ignore the specifically political motivations of the El Paso shooter who published a manifesto at notoriously racist 8chan and focus like a laser beam on the Dayton shooter whose motivations are at best unclear.
re: #216 Sir John Barron
Weâll ignore the specifically political motivations of the El Paso shooter and focus like a laser beam on the Dayton shooter whose motivations are at best unclear.
Yeah thatâs the wingnut way.
how in the world do you think this is any kind of ok?
(they wont be fired)
anywhere civilized, they call for a car
TX Police Apologize For Leading Black Suspect Down Street With Rope https://t.co/Ro90MSjSTO pic.twitter.com/GykKIx0Dxp
â Talking Points Memo (@TPM) August 6, 2019
re: #216 Sir John Barron
Weâll ignore the specifically political motivations of the El Paso shooter and focus like a laser beam on the Dayton shooter whose motivations are at best unclear.
El Paso: âThis guy was mentally ill! And donât believe that manifesto or the statements to the cops, none of that is reliable!â
Dayton: âTHIS GUY SUPPORTED WARREN AND SHE SHOULD IMMEDIATELY APOLOGIZE FOR THAT!!!â
re: #214 Hecubaâs daughter
Not political terrorism at all â just screaming at the world because access to lethal weapons is too easy in this country.
exactly, itâs just carnage, mayhem, chaos by cowards with momentary asymmetrical power
re: #215 HappyWarrior
We still donât know Paddocks in LV.
And we likely never will. Paddock was such a loner that even if heâd had the opportunity to tell someone what he was planning, he most likely wouldnât have.
My hypothesis is that he planned to kill himself, but not before taking out a whole bunch of people. Going out in a blaze of glory, as it were.
As much as the RWNJs love âpissing off the leftâ, theyâre the first ones to screech LEFTIST VIOLENCE! whenever shit like this happens.
Itâs like complaining about the fire when you poured the gasoline and gave your buddy the book of matches.
re: #222 Dr Lizardo
And we likely never will. Paddock was such a loner that even if heâd had the opportunity to tell someone what he was planning, he most likely wouldnât have.
My hypothesis is that he planned to kill himself, but not before taking out a whole bunch of people. Going out in a blaze of glory, as it were.
Would agree. Weâve had so many of these Iâve lost count.
Part of me wonders if I will be present for one of these.
re: #225 HappyWarrior
Part of me wonders if I will be present for one of these.
ask neil degrasse tyson /s (1/2)
re: #226 DangerMan
ask neil degrasse tyson /s (1/2)
Ha. You just never know. I had friends at VA Tech. I donât expect it but no one really does.
re: #104 makeitstop
Also it would suck if we stuck to music and then wrote songs that were all about playing music forever on an endless loop https://t.co/RjZer4OmZR
â Jason Isbell (@JasonIsbell) August 5, 2019
âOh youâre drowning? Sorry. Iâm gonna stick to music.â
*Starts singing that Phil Collins song about not saving a drowning personâ Jason Isbell (@JasonIsbell) August 5, 2019
re: #228 gocart mozart
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Shut up and sing but the guy from the Apprentice should be President.
re: #228 gocart mozart
And some musicians are indeed quite passionate about politics. The late Omar Higgins was a strong advocate for left-of-center politics. He died too young, and just when his band may well have been on the verge of commercial success.
re: #48 I Would Prefer Not To
And now thisâŠ
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Men who want to be modest should not display their asstacular stupidity in a public forum.
If Chuck Todd/NYT and others of that ilk had some smattering of self-awareness, theyâd recognize themselves in this:
I see some drawing parallel b/w Ohio shooter being pro-Warren w/El Paso white supremacist being inspired by Trump. Pls show us the @ewarren rally when someone screamed out, âShoot your sister!â, and Warren laughed in response.
Just stop the both sides crap, at least on this one.â Ana Navarro-CĂĄrdenas (@ananavarro) August 6, 2019
re: #232 Interesting Times
If Chuck Todd/NYT and others of that ilk had some smattering of self-awareness, theyâd recognize themselves in this:
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Exactly. This is crap.
re: #228 gocart mozart
And that song has already been written: 
Had to edit the path by hand, so I hope the link works, otherwise itâs âThe Song That Never Ends.â
re: #232 Interesting Times
If Chuck Todd/NYT and others of that ilk had some smattering of self-awareness, theyâd recognize themselves in this:
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Oh, they do. They donât care. What theyâre doing, they believe, makes more ad revenue and that is the only thing that matters to the media.
re: #230 Dr Lizardo
And some musicians are indeed quite passionate about politics. The late Omar Higgins was a strong advocate for left-of-center politics. He died too young, and just when his band may well have been on the verge of commercial success.
woody guthrie
phil ochs
pete seeger
oh and wtf was the entire popular rock of the middle sixties to seventies singing about?
re: #239 DangerMan
woody guthrie
phil ochs
pete seegeroh and wtf was the entire popular rock of the middle sixties to seventies singing about?
Iâm not really sure, to be honest.
re: #239 DangerMan
woody guthrie
phil ochs
pete seegeroh and wtf was the entire popular rock of the middle sixties to seventies singing about?
RATM
Green Day (what else do you think punk rock is)
Dixie Chicks
re: #237 William Lewis
Oh, they do. They donât care. What theyâre doing, they believe, makes more ad revenue and that is the only thing that matters to the media.
Sarah Kendzior has pointed out theyâd make just as much money (or far more) if they endlessly exposed trumpâs corruption and general GOP malfeasance. So, their true motives may be far more sinister - they themselves either agree with the white supremacist/oligarch agenda, or theyâre compromised in some way.
re: #239 DangerMan
Bob Dylan.
Neil Young (followed by Lynyrd Skynyrdâs response Sweet Home Alabama).
SoâŠslight chance that I might lose mah jerb.
I went beyond the approved guidelines for stopping a theft at work last night. But it was a $400+ recovery.
re: #80 MsJ
Dow is up 194.
I do not get the roulette wheel that is the stock market.
this is just the typical consolidation after a heavy down day. Almost everything that happens on the DOW is computer driven now. Very little of what you see is actually people making informed decisions about what to buy or sell. Instead, it is just computer-driven trading, which makes trying to understand what is going on almost pointless.
re: #239 DangerMan
woody guthrie
phil ochs
pete seegeroh and wtf was the entire popular rock of the middle sixties to seventies singing about?
While I donât know what most popular rock was singing about in that era, but I do know what the Village People were singing about in the late â70s - and strangely, it went over the heads of a good portion of middle America. LOL.
re: #239 DangerMan
woody guthrie
phil ochs
pete seegeroh and wtf was the entire popular rock of the middle sixties to seventies singing about?
They hate them too but no one told Toby Keith to shut up after 9/11.
re: #247 Dr Lizardo
While I donât know what most popular rock was singing about in that era, but I do know what the Village People were singing about in the late â70s - and strangely, it went over the heads of a good portion of middle America. LOL.
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Middle America just likes a catchy chorus refrain lol. See Born in the USA and 99 Luftballoons.
The El Paso shooter is more akin to Yigal Amir, the assassin of Yitzhak Rabin. He was inspired by the rhetoric of Netanyahu and his rallies that included supporters calling Rabin a Nazi. Netanyahu always disclaimed any responsibility â and so does his soulmate Trump â neither is ever willing to accept that their words may have contributed to the evil actions of others.
re: #243 Interesting Times
Sarah Kendzior has pointed out theyâd make just as much money (or far more) if they endlessly exposed trumpâs corruption and general GOP malfeasance. So, their true motives may be far more sinister - they themselves either agree with the white supremacist/oligarch agenda, or theyâre compromised in some way.
a change of position that fundamental and massive is scary
this works, why mess with it
yep terribly bad business analysis when the alternative presumably would make them more money in the end
re: #244 lawhawk
Bob Dylan.
Neil Young (followed by Lynyrd Skynyrdâs response Sweet Home Alabama).
Sheâs 90, still raising hell.
This cartoon was posted yesterday. Hereâs the tweet from the actual artist (extremely skilled and insightful - she also created these searing images in response to Parkland):
Wind Up.#GunControlNow pic.twitter.com/jJep44S2OW
â Pia Guerra (@PiaGuerra) August 4, 2019
re: #246 steve_davis
this is just the typical consolidation after a heavy down day. Almost everything that happens on the DOW is computer driven now. Very little of what you see is actually people making informed decisions about what to buy or sell. Instead, it is just computer-driven trading, which makes trying to understand what is going on almost pointless.
Trading based on algorithms using millisecond responses to what just happened. The whole efficient market theory should be tossed out since little of trading is based on the actual long term strategies of a corporation or its current operations.
re: #117 Dr Lizardo
So, the IT guy for one of the companies I teach for now has my Sony Vaio - and hopefully, with any luck, he can get it working again. For free!
Heâs sitting on a ton of laptop and desktop parts, and he has absolutely nothing to do, so for him, this is one of those âchallenge acceptedâ sort of things.
Itâs an almost eight-year old laptop, so Iâm not counting on it, but heyâŠâŠif he can get it working again, thatâd be great. And greatly appreciated.
Meanwhile, the Acer Aspire One antique seems to be running pretty good for the time being (knock on wood) after I loaded LUbuntu 18.04 on it (LUbuntu being a lite version of the Ubuntu OS, which is probably best for this old beast running an Intel Atom CPU).
the problem you will run into is likely the same problem I ran into. Laptops just arenât built for upgrades. Once the motherboardâwhich is normally put in in such a way that it canât be taken outâgoes, thatâs pretty much it. Graphics are probably integrated with the motherboard, so if the display is crisped, the laptop is likewise done for.
re: #250 Hecubaâs daughter
The El Paso shooter is more akin to Yigal Amir, the assassin of Yitzhak Rabin. He was inspired by the rhetoric of Netanyahu and his rallies that included supporters calling Rabin a Nazi. Netanyahu always disclaimed any responsibility â and so does his soulmate Trump â neither is ever willing to accept that their words may have contributed to the evil actions of others.
I remember the Rabin murder. Didnât know until recently that Bibi helped incite it. He and Trump are such awful people.
And now for another #HaiTimTuesday movie premiereâŠ
By day, theyâre mild mannered goats, hanging out with chickens and napping in wheelbarrows, but by night, they are the mob that defends society against villains like @IAmBoxTheBox. They areâŠ
GOATFELLAS pic.twitter.com/OZNa5CUKL6â âMad Catâ Cattis (@GeneralCattis) August 6, 2019
Baton Rouge
Reports of a shooting at Walmart on Burbank Drive https://t.co/LwaOEhHq7f
â WAFB (@WAFB) August 6, 2019
re: #257 HappyWarrior
Huntsman just resigned.
Itâs amazing that he was willing to work for this racist traitor for so long â probably was one of those who thought he was protecting the American public from the worst of Trumpâs instincts.
re: #250 Hecubaâs daughter
The El Paso shooter is more akin to Yigal Amir, the assassin of Yitzhak Rabin. He was inspired by the rhetoric of Netanyahu and his rallies that included supporters calling Rabin a Nazi. Netanyahu always disclaimed any responsibility â and so does his soulmate Trump â neither is ever willing to accept that their words may have contributed to the evil actions of others.
theyâre also actually saying they have no persuasive power and no one listens to them
they couldnt possibly be saying their words arent their words /s
JUST IN: US Ambassador to Russia Jon Huntsman has submitted his resignation to President Trump effective Oct. 3, two US officials and another person close to Huntsman tell @NBCNews.
â NBC News (@NBCNews) August 6, 2019
No explanation why, though some are surmising he might run for Governor of Utah again.
Trumpâs foreign policy is a shit show, so whoever takes over will likely advance the shit show.
re: #260 Hecubaâs daughter
Itâs amazing that he was willing to work for this racist traitor for so long â probably was one of those who thought he was protecting the American public from the worst of Trumpâs instincts.
Canât wait to see who Trump gets to replace him.//
JUST IN: US Ambassador to Russia Jon Huntsman resigns https://t.co/wGVhn11Zbx pic.twitter.com/BqNZk2FJJ3
â CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) August 6, 2019
Has there been a recent politician with worse political instincts than Huntsman?
re: #266 lawhawk
Mitt. Rubio. Cruz. Collins.
iâd love to add #moscowmitch to that list in a year or so
#BREAKING Deputies have been called to a shooting at a WalMart in Baton Rouge, @WAFB reports that law enforcement sources tell the station this is ânot an active shooter situationâ pic.twitter.com/9wUA1RkgMv
â Brett Buffington (@BrettKHOU) August 6, 2019
re: #262 lawhawk
JUST IN: US Ambassador to Russia Jon Huntsman has submitted his resignation to President Trump effective Oct. 3, two US officials and another person close to Huntsman tell @NBCNews.
â NBC News (@NBCNews) August 6, 2019
No explanation why, though some are surmising he might run for Governor of Utah again.
Trumpâs foreign policy is a shit show, so whoever takes over will likely advance the shit show.
Heâs running
//
The Trump campaign and Republican Party sue California over a law requiring presidential candidates to release their tax returns. https://t.co/9qwPw9ntZ9
â The Associated Press (@AP) August 6, 2019
Of course the GOP wants to block this law. They donât want anyone seeing the truth about Trumpâs financial picture, and how he is utterly compromised.
States have every right to request information of those seeking to run for office.
re: #255 steve_davis
the problem you will run into is likely the same problem I ran into. Laptops just arenât built for upgrades. Once the motherboardâwhich is normally put in in such a way that it canât be taken outâgoes, thatâs pretty much it. Graphics are probably integrated with the motherboard, so if the display is crisped, the laptop is likewise done for.
The display, the graphics card and the HDD were all still working fine - those didnât give me any problems.
Iâm hoping it was just a major dust issue.
Question: Did Mnuchin agree to label China a âcurrency manipulatorâ to divert Trump from (a more consequential) order to intervene in exchange markets?
â David Wessel (@davidmwessel) August 6, 2019
WH adviser Kudlow insists trade war mainly hurts China while companies shift production back to US as Trump is ârebuilding the American economyâ
actual economic data contradicts this claim
Fed chair Powell cited weak manufacturing and investment levels in explaining rate cutâ John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) August 6, 2019
thwarted Trump Fed choice Stephen Moore:
âWeâre learning maybe China has a higher pain threshold than we thought. They donât seem to care that this is having extreme negative effects on their economy. Itâs kind of a mutually assured destruction game nowâ https://t.co/UiHkjcEIrxâ John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) August 6, 2019
re: #266 lawhawk
Mitt. Rubio. Cruz. Collins.
Nah, They wield way more power in the Senate. In the current administration an ambassador is barely even a message boy. No one knows day to day what the hell is going on, To much of a headache, no matter what grift is available
re: #274 Dread Pirate
China can absorb the pain more - and they can cover it up far more effectively than Trumpworld could.
We have more transparent economic data, and all the data is showing that Trumpâs trade war is heavily damaging the agricultural sector and is causing a slowdown in the economy. Itâs not going to get better with further currency manipulations or interest rate cuts by the US either. Itâs going to lead us into a recession because Trumpâs actions destabilize and cause chaos - the opposite of what companies want (stability and consistent policies). Companies are looking to preserve their wealth and avoid the storm, so theyâre not coming back to the US. Theyâre going elsewhere - shifting production and reducing inventory.
None of this is good.
But Trump thinks this is winning.
Trump is the same fucknut who bankrupted casinos 6 times. Heâs the same guy who failed at football, airlines, liquor, steaks, and even water.
re: #272 lawhawk
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States have every right to request information of those seeking to run for office.
I want to see other members of the GOP get up and defend Trumpâs lawsuit
âWitnesses saw a man pick up a boy and throw him to the ground. Brockway reportedly tried to justify his actions to nearby fairgoers. ⊠âHe said [the boy] was disrespecting the national anthem so he had every right to do that.ââ
jfchttps://t.co/6WargQvzEPâ Melanie Schmitz (@MelsLien) August 6, 2019
re: #277 lawhawk
China can absorb the pain more - and they can cover it up far more effectively than Trumpworld could.
.
China also has a long-term historical view while we do not see past the next quarterly returns.
re: #279 FormerDirtDart đđ
âWitnesses saw a man pick up a boy and throw him to the ground. Brockway reportedly tried to justify his actions to nearby fairgoers. ⊠âHe said [the boy] was disrespecting the national anthem so he had every right to do that.ââ
I recall that some lawmaker (from Louisiana ?) introduced a law to make it legal to beat up anyone exercising their 1st Amendment rights to burn a flag.
re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
China also has a long-term historical view while we do not see past the next quarterly returns.
Trump: whatâs a quarterly return?
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re: #274 Dread Pirate
âWeâre learning maybe China has a higher pain threshold than we thought. They donât seem to care that this is having extreme negative effects on their economy. Itâs kind of a mutually assured destruction game nowâ
From Chinaâs POV, itâs short-term pain for long-term gain. That long-term gain being becoming a global economic superpower who calls the shots.
If they can get Trump (and by extension the USA) to back down or capitulate on this trade war, thatâll be a major coup - a real feather in Chinaâs hat. And the rest of the world will certainly notice that as well.
âMake America Great Againâ? This bozo and his toadies will end up turning America in a second-rate power: the âpaper tigerâ Mao Zedong once referred to us as.
re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
China also has a long-term historical view while we do not see past the next quarterly returns.
I strongly suspect that is the thinking here, that Beijing figures they can just keep twisting the screw until Jan 2021. Thereâs no pressure on them to make a deal in the short term, while Donny is under serious pressure to make shit happen before the economy collapses. After all, Xi doesnât have to run for reelection next NovemberâŠ
re: #279 FormerDirtDart đđ
âWitnesses saw a man pick up a boy and throw him to the ground. Brockway reportedly tried to justify his actions to nearby fairgoers. ⊠âHe said [the boy] was disrespecting the national anthem so he had every right to do that.ââ
â Melanie Schmitz (@MelsLien) August 6, 2019
âdisrespecting the national anthemâ. What are the odds he has a confederate rag symbol on his truck?
just looking at the morning consult polling data
and trumpâs approval by state
his net approval by state has decreased in every state since inauguration
every state by double digits (at least 10%, some in the upper 20âs and 30âs) except hawaii that was 9 but heâs been underwater there the whole time
that doesnt mean heâs not net positive in some states - ie alabama, wyoming, idaho
net -1 in nebraska, florida, north carolina
fwiw
Remember when Obama said Sandy Hook Elementary School had a 1st grader infestation problem? https://t.co/krLY9eZgCk
â Edwin Mix (@TheEdMix) August 6, 2019
re: #279 FormerDirtDart đđ
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Where was the good guy with the gun to neutralize the threat of this man?
re: #285 Targetpractice
I strongly suspect that is the thinking here, that Beijing figures they can just keep twisting the screw until Jan 2021. Thereâs no pressure on them to make a deal in the short term, while Donny is under serious pressure to make shit happen before the economy collapses. After all, Xi doesnât have to run for reelection next NovemberâŠ
From what I understand, Xi doesnât have to run for re-election ever again. Heâs pretty much president for life.
Chinaâs âGreat Helmsmanâ of the 21st century.
If only Trump believed in gravity, or even knew what it was.
So the âdriveway gaggleâ is now how the press interacts with these goons? And everybody thinks thatâs OK and normal? https://t.co/jro5YWIGWLâ Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 6, 2019
Who needs press conferences when we can have driveway gaggles?
â Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 6, 2019
re: #272 lawhawk
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Of course the GOP wants to block this law. They donât want anyone seeing the truth about Trumpâs financial picture, and how he is utterly compromised.
States have every right to request information of those seeking to run for office.
their arguments are facile and recycled, and have never worked every time theyâve been tried before (said the guy whoâs not a lawyer)
re: #288 DangerMan
just looking at the morning consult polling data
and trumpâs approval by state
his net approval by state has decreased in every state since inauguration
every state by double digits (at least 10%, some in the upper 20âs and 30âs) except hawaii that was 9 but heâs been underwater there the whole time
that doesnt mean heâs not net positive in some states - ie alabama, wyoming, idaho
net -1 in nebraska, florida, north carolinafwiw
The further underwater he goes, the more desperate he will be. And Democrats will need to drop the hammer on him and maximize the pressure on him and the GOP. Donât let up.
re: #286 Dr. Matt
WTF? Dude is ALREADY a registered violent offender, fractured a kidâs skull and caused seizures.
And they released him on his own recognizance.
re: #274 Dread Pirate
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thereâs a good chance manufacturing is already in a world wide recession
re: #296 DangerMan
thereâs a good chance manufacturing is already in a world wide recession
We probably wonât see it reflected in stats for another quarter or so.
re: #295 Sufficient unto the dayâŠ
WTF? Dude is ALREADY a registered violent offender, fractured a kidâs skull and caused seizures.
And they released him on his own recognizance.
And probably has a cache of firearms. Mâerica.
re: #292 Charles Johnson
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So he wants legislation that actually makes people safer, and yet he thinks that the answer is making it easier to fast forward execution of the mentally illâŠ
re: #277 lawhawk
China can absorb the pain more - and they can cover it up far more effectively than Trumpworld could.
We have more transparent economic data, and all the data is showing that Trumpâs trade war is heavily damaging the agricultural sector and is causing a slowdown in the economy. Itâs not going to get better with further currency manipulations or interest rate cuts by the US either. Itâs going to lead us into a recession because Trumpâs actions destabilize and cause chaos - the opposite of what companies want (stability and consistent policies). Companies are looking to preserve their wealth and avoid the storm, so theyâre not coming back to the US. Theyâre going elsewhere - shifting production and reducing inventory.
None of this is good.
But Trump thinks this is winning.
Trump is the same fucknut who bankrupted casinos 6 times. Heâs the same guy who failed at football, airlines, liquor, steaks, and even water.
when thereâs no market to buy your products, it doesnt matter what you do
you just lost a huge ag trading partner
thereâs no other party to step in and take chinaâs place
if there were, what have they been doing up to now?
GILROY, Calif. (AP) â Law enforcement official: FBI is opening domestic terrorism investigation into the attack at California food festival.
â Meg Kinnard (@MegKinnardAP) August 6, 2019
re: #274 Dread Pirate
Waiting for Trump to start printing more money, and then wonder why interest rates and inflation are going up.
re: #272 lawhawk
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Of course the GOP wants to block this law. They donât want anyone seeing the truth about Trumpâs financial picture, and how he is utterly compromised.
States have every right to request information of those seeking to run for office.
The lawsuits argue the law violates the U.S. Constitution by creating an extra requirement to run for president and deprives citizens the right to vote for their chosen candidates. The Constitution puts just three requirements on presidential candidates: That they are natural born citizens, 35 or older and a U.S. resident for at least 14 years.
nope nope nope
some people are natural born some are not
some are over 35, some are not
some are us residents for 14 years, some are not
there is nothing preventing anyone from releasing their tax returns
there is no burden. only choice. and itâs totally yours.
totally âfairâ totally even and universally applied
and ps - it still doesnt prevent you from running for president. just participating in the stateâs party primaries
re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
China also has a long-term historical view while we do not see past the next quarterly returns.
trumpâs view isnt even quarterly
tops, itâs todays trending tweets
re: #279 FormerDirtDart đđ
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?
The unnamed boyâs parents said his ears bled for six hours after the incident and that his skull was fractured. He was taken by air ambulance to Sacred Heart Childrenâs Hospital in Spokane.
âŠ
Brockway, who has a previous assault with a weapon charge from 2011, and who Missoulian reported is a registered violent offender, will be released on his own recognizance Tuesday.
re: #279 FormerDirtDart đđ
Brockway, who has a previous assault with a weapon charge from 2011, and who Missoulian reported is a registered violent offender, will be released on his own recognizance Tuesday.
morons, all of them
âŠin 2020.â Lou Dobbs stated that this is a fraud on the American public. @peterschweizer stated with certainty that they suppressed negative stories on Hillary Clinton, and boosted negative stories on Donald Trump. All very illegal. We are watching Google very closely!
â Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 6, 2019
re: #285 Targetpractice
I strongly suspect that is the thinking here, that Beijing figures they can just keep twisting the screw until Jan 2021. Thereâs no pressure on them to make a deal in the short term, while Donny is under serious pressure to make shit happen before the economy collapses. After all, Xi doesnât have to run for reelection next NovemberâŠ
they had new sources for their import needs long before they made this announcement
probably 6 months ago
Kellyanne Conway: âYou have seen this president on the ground with people in Parkland, Florida, Las VegasâŠâ
Fact Check: President Trump never went to Parkland.
Trump did actually go to Bowling Green after that terrible massacre, according to Kellyanne. pic.twitter.com/SxcKo70i52â Alex Cole (@acnewsitics) August 6, 2019
re: #292 Charles Johnson
If only Trump believed in gravity, or even knew what it was.
So the âdriveway gaggleâ is now how the press interacts with these goons? And everybody thinks thatâs OK and normal?
what did they do with that press room?
re: #294 lawhawk
The further underwater he goes, the more desperate he will be. And Democrats will need to drop the hammer on him and maximize the pressure on him and the GOP. Donât let up.
work like weâre 20 points down
dont let up till itâs official heâs lost
Breaking: @HouseJudiciary requested documents from National Archives to investigate Kavanaugh and what information McConnell may have suppressed during confirmation hearings. @naral has worked hard on this with so many abortion rights cases on the line in front of this Court. pic.twitter.com/P65QTkSKQ0
â ilyse hogue (@ilyseh) August 6, 2019
re: #309 DangerMan
they had new sources for their import needs long before they made this announcement
probably 6 months ago
Because they are run by experienced professionals at international trade, not a knee-jerking narcissistic shitgibbon
re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth
morons, all of them
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re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth
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God it would be just desserts if Kavanaugh got impeached.
re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth
The other things Democrats could do to restore balance to the Supreme Court is investigate Thomas and his wife.
This species has a unique communication adaptation. pic.twitter.com/W28oZKzFh0
â Schooley (@Rschooley) August 6, 2019
re: #318 Belafon
The other things Democrats could do to restore balance to the Supreme Court is investigate Thomas and his wife.
Definitely. I donât think you can do anything about Gorsuch unfortunately. But Thomas and Barf I think you can.
FFS, heâs still ranting about Hillary and the 2016 election.
BREAKING: Floridaâs Governor orders state criminal probe into Palm Beach Sheriff and former State Attorneyâs handling of the Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking case. Story to come.
â julie k. brown (@jkbjournalist) August 6, 2019
âPresident Trump is increasingly acting based on his own intuition and analysis and not the advice of aides in the increasingly fraught trade war with China, five people briefed on the actions said, shattering a more cautious process that had yielded few positive results so far,â the Washington Post reports.âThey said White House officials were now expecting a long, drawn-out battle with Chinese leaders, even though Trump is acutely tuned in to stock market fluctuations. But Trump is convinced that the Chinese economy is suffering more than the U.S. economy from the conflict.
hereâs the thing:
- there wont be a long drawn out battle
- while youâre yelling âfight meâ, chinaâs likely already quit the field. theyâve taken their marbles and gone home
- theyâre gonna wait it out for the next president
*braces for all the đ©/toilet jokes*
â WeatherNation (@WeatherNation) August 6, 2019
re: #327 DangerMan
hereâs the thing:
- there wont be a long drawn out battle
- while youâre yelling âfight meâ, chinaâs likely already quit the field. theyâve taken their marbles and gone home
- theyâre gonna wait it out for the next president
And, for all their participation in the global economy, they are an authoritarian regime. They can let a few people starve, or take from person A to give to person B.
How ironic that the Gamergate boys laid the groundwork for Trumpâs social media meme wars and now Trump and his Republican refuseniks are blaming Fortnite and such for mass shootings whose perpetrators literally quote him verbatim. But no, #VideogamesAreNotToBlame
â Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) August 5, 2019
Your father incited a white terrorist who killed 22 people. Have a fucking seat https://t.co/qDZEKWhUpG
â GOPocalypse Now (@GOPocalypseNow) August 6, 2019
re: #330 DodgerFan1988
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As a liberal gamer, I sure as hell donât feel bad for them. They threw their lot in with fascist assholes because of their pathetic sexism. Games arenât to blame but these assholes deserve a good reality ass kicking.
re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Oh fuck you Ivanka. Fuck you. The El Paso shooter is your fatherâs spiritual son. Stop using Chicago. What happened there is awful too but the killers there werenât incited by your daddyâs deep fried Nuremberg rallies.
I always say thereâs no such thing as a dumb question and here you are proving me wrong.
â Squirrel Master (@fuzzynuts1998) August 6, 2019
re: #324 HappyWarrior
At least weâre starting something.
At this point, any crumb will do, I suppose.
re: #334 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Obama never called out Trump by name but this is easy. Trump actually seems to condone shooting undocumented immigrants and the shooter echoed his rhetoric. Obama never said First Graders were a threat to us.
China should step into the vacuum left by the US and work with South Korea and Japan to find solutions to their trade issues. Itâs only a matter of time before those countries start to find America irrelevant.
Didnât think it was possible but Jon Voight is getting even more incoherent. Somebody needs to take his video camera away. https://t.co/QGI9omge68
â Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 6, 2019
re: #335 MsJ
At this point, any crumb will do, I suppose.
Remember that Watergate started as a simple break in.
National gun control would reduce gun violence including in Chicago, where the guns are obtained in neighboring states that have lax gun laws.
The GOP opposes gun control and anything that might reduce gun sales. Strong gun law states have lower per capita gun death rates.â lawhawk (@lawhawk) August 6, 2019
I heard he asked them nicely to go away but he was speaking in Russian so nobody understood.
â Ryan Peck (@RealRyanPeck) August 6, 2019
re: #338 Charles Johnson
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I didnât ask for his opinion. Heâs a talented enough actor but heâs a rwnj.
re: #340 lawhawk
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Iâm so sick of their crocodile tears for the inner city. Youâre absolutely right. Strong, federal and uniform laws would help this and Ivanka Antionetteâs party opposes those.
It took you OVER SIX HOURS to correct the word âTtumpâ in this tweet?
Classic Ttump move. pic.twitter.com/9oJkin5Ngmâ Eric Wolfson (@EricWolfson) August 6, 2019
re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Oh fuck off, Gabby Giffords was shot. You and Elaine can get a dacha next year.
re: #339 HappyWarrior
Remember that Watergate started as a simple break in.
Stop making meâŠfeel better. I am wallowing, for crying out loud. :-D
re: #346 MsJ
Stop making meâŠfeel better. I am wallowing, for crying out loud. :-D
Iâm trying to be glass half full. Itâs the only thing that keeps me going.
re: #340 lawhawk
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Whataboutism is all they have left, the idea that a white guy snuffing out 22 lives in a shorter time period than a Trump rally somehow being âequalâ to 7 deaths over 2 days. Perhaps someone might ask Ivanka if she thinks every one of those bullets was fired by someone who is âmentally ill.â
those frisky monksâŠ
The section of the erotic Medieval fantasy was found in the binding of book in Austriaâs Melk monastery. https://t.co/rHRwGtJ1gM
â Smithsonian Magazine (@SmithsonianMag) August 6, 2019
Former FBI agent Peter Strzok filed a lawsuit today challenging his firing and alleging privacy violations â Strzok worked on the Russia probe and became a regular target of Trump and Republicans for messages he exchanged that were critical of Trump https://t.co/FwDfPwK0we pic.twitter.com/spSnHDAnOl
â Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) August 6, 2019
re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth
The Washington Post
â
@washingtonpost
* 19m
Mitch McConnellâs campaign decries protest outside his Louisville home as a call to violence wapo.st
Well, according to the article, one protester asked another to stab a Mitch voodoo doll in the heart. Maybe MoscowMitch practices Santeria and is concerned that this represents a real threat to his safety?
re: #336 HappyWarrior
Obama never called out Trump by name but this is easy.
It was done intentionally to get him to rise to the bait as he is incapable of rising above any criticism, even indirectâŠ
âBefore this electrifying, long-overdue film ends, one man is dead, hundreds are scared for their lives and heavily armed Klansmen patrol the bay, burning boats and urging white townspeople to âtake back our country.âFYIâŠ.
re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Rather than âresting bitch faceâ itâs âsex doll mouthâ.
re: #352 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
It was done intentionally to get him to rise to the bait as he is incapable of rising above any criticism, even indirectâŠ
It wasnât just directed at Trump.
re: #336 HappyWarrior
Obama never called out Trump by name but this is easy. Trump actually seems to condone shooting undocumented immigrants and the shooter echoed his rhetoric. Obama never said First Graders were a threat to us.
remember the job description of president
obama brought up legislation (squelched by mitch and the râs)
what did you do donnie?
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