Tea Party Reports Open Thread

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Here’s a thread for LGF readers to file reports from the tax day tea party protests.

It’s probably pretty obvious that I’m ambivalent about these protests, because I think they’ve been coopted to a large extent by Ron Paul nuts and other fringe groups. I know there are also a lot of decent people participating, but unfortunately almost nobody seems to be interested in denouncing and keeping out the kooks, and that’s a real shame. Instead, people who try to sound a warning are being attacked and smeared.

This is not a recipe for success.

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1035 comments
1 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:46:10pm

to the scones

2 brookly red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:46:11pm

Any report on total numbers yey?

3 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:46:33pm

best scones in town are in Carmel at the Tuck Box

4 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:46:42pm

Soup and sandwich at my desk. Does that count?

5 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:47:22pm

re: #4 jcm

Soup and sandwich at my desk. Does that count?

hmmmm, are they the Doublemint Twins ?

6 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:47:24pm

re: #1 Adrenalyn

to the scones

I was told there would be scones at this E-Tea Party?

7 Kragar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:48:08pm

I just had baked chicken with mushroom gravy and rice

8 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:48:23pm

Instead of protesting taxes, I'm at work, so I can pay them!

9 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:48:27pm

re: #6 ConservatismNow!

I was told there would be scones at this E-Tea Party?

man your batter stations

(said in a North Korean accent)

10 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:48:40pm

re: #1 Adrenalyn

to the scones

And sound a blast from the crumpet of freedom!

11 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:48:52pm

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I just had baked chicken with mushroom gravy and rice

I just had another bowl of matzo ball soup, and a salad.

I am ready for Passover to pass over now.

12 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:49:33pm

Glenn "I'll Foam At The Mouth" Beck is largely responsible for ensuring that the kooks are not marginalized. Unfortunately, the level headed TEA party attendees don't have a national TV personality pushing the rational conservative agenda while the kooks get Glenn "Apocalypse Now" Beck.

13 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:49:34pm
because I think they’ve been coopted to a large extent by Ron Paul nuts and other fringe groups

I share the concern. As I noted before, based on my VERY limited observation of the DC (Lafayette Park) tea party, it did not appear to be the case there.

14 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:50:26pm

re: #12 Jetpilot1101

Glenn "I'll Foam At The Mouth" Beck is largely responsible for ensuring that the kooks are not marginalized. Unfortunately, the level headed TEA party attendees don't have a national TV personality pushing the rational conservative agenda while the kooks get Glenn "Apocalypse Now" Beck.

Do you think Neil Cavuto is kooky?

15 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:50:43pm

re: #5 Adrenalyn

hmmmm, are they the Doublemint Twins ?

Dang! They were available?

16 Kragar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:51:27pm

I'm protesting the old fashioned way. I adjusted my withholdings again and teach my kids the right reasons to vote for something.

17 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:52:05pm

re: #8 acwgusa

Instead of protesting taxes, I'm at work, so I can pay them!

At work yes, but probably doing the same amount of work I'm doing right now while reading LGF... (looks behind to make sure the boss isn't watching)

18 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:52:12pm

re: #14 capitalist piglet

Do you think Neil Cavuto is kooky?

I don't watch him all that often. I find much of his business analysis to be decent and I think he does a pretty good job as a moderator. Cable news is virtually dead to me; I prefer to get my news from other sources.

19 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:52:15pm

re: #15 jcm

Dang! They were available?

just trying to segue into making this a boob thread

20 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:52:16pm

Early OT, hyperventilation inducing and threadworthy:

U.S. senator Kerry arrives in Sudan for three day visit

KHARTOUM (Reuters) - U.S. senator and former presidential candidate John Kerry arrived in Sudan Wednesday for a three-day visit as the diplomatic detente between Washington and Khartoum shows further signs of a thaw.

Kerry, chairman of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, will lead a congressional delegation to Sudan's Darfur region and hold talks with senior members of the Sudanese government.

"Now it is my opportunity representing the U.S. Congress and U.S. Senate to be here to engage on humanitarian issues and obviously issues pertaining to the conflict," Kerry told reporters after landing. "We're all very hopeful that we can make progress on these issues."

BOMB SUDAN AND THE JANJIWEED.

21 harrylook  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:52:18pm

Here's a thought: we could try ignoring the fringe kooks and focus on what's important: our impotent weakling CIC who cuts missile defense just as our lunatic enemies develop the missile capability to nuke our cities. Who bashes America for all her mistakes but ignores the crimes of others. Who is saddling our children with unprecedented debt. Who calls for America to denuclearize while saying its cool for Iran to enrich uranium. Etc.

Or we could just go on with the "Obama isn't so bad - some people are really being unfair with him" routine. Either way...

22 sffilk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:52:32pm

re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist

I just had another bowl of matzo ball soup, and a salad.

I am ready for Passover to pass over now.

Soon, man, soon.

As far the tea parties, I know that Sean Hannity is showing up for the one this evening in Atlanta, and Atlanta's own Neal Boortz is heading to Columbia, South Carolina for one.

23 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:52:41pm

I wasn't at a tea party, but I did see a pickup truck with a "01.20.13" bumper sticker this morning. And it was in Massachusetts, with a Mass plate.

24 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:52:53pm

A lady at the Chicago Tea Party told me when I walked through that they expected 700 of them nationwide of various attendance. Anybody hear that?

25 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:53:20pm

re: #10 Occasional Reader

And sound a blast from the crumpet of freedom!


I have some extra scones, in case you are in a jam.

26 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:54:33pm

Dear Charles,

I attended the DC Tax Protest in front of the White House today around noon with a Defense dept. friend wearing a skirt & hose, we saw young & old, all races & colors, but missed the Code Pinkos or other crazies. Everyone was well-behaved and civil in my experience.

The handful of Police in front of the White House looked bored when I saw them.

One guy I disapproved of had a sign saying "Right Wing Extremist" and I considered that stupid and attention-whorish, not helpful.

Otherwise, a loverly day for Singing in the Rain, and peaceably assembling without incident. I hope these good people who went to the trouble of showing up to indicate their disapproval with overspending & overtaxing, will now pay more attention and VOTE their interests at every opportunity.

27 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:54:34pm

re: #20 Ben Hur

Early OT, hyperventilation inducing and threadworthy:

U.S. senator Kerry arrives in Sudan for three day visit


BOMB SUDAN AND THE JANJIWEED.


when is he going to North Vietnam for a reunion tour ?

28 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:54:40pm

re: #25 VioletTiger

I have some extra scones, in case you are in a jam.

More puns and we're all toast.

29 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:55:07pm

re: #18 Jetpilot1101

I don't watch him all that often. I find much of his business analysis to be decent and I think he does a pretty good job as a moderator. Cable news is virtually dead to me; I prefer to get my news from other sources.

I think he's hosting the Sacramento Tea Party - so there are some saner voices out there.

Personally, I would have preferred that the celebrites butt out in general, because it wasn't their thing to begin with - but Cavuto is okay with me.

30 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:55:22pm

re: #13 Occasional Reader

I share the concern. As I noted before, based on my VERY limited observation of the DC (Lafayette Park) tea party, it did not appear to be the case there.

The tea party idea was an honest effort by honest folks who are upset by the direction in DC. They are for the most part working folks busy with work and family. The whole political activism thing is new territory for them.

On the other hand for hard core Paulbots and other kooks and loony toons activism is their bread and butter.

The result is the honest part of the Tea Bag protests has been blindsided by the kooks and loons.

31 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:55:22pm

re: #8 acwgusa

Instead of protesting taxes, I'm at work, so I can pay them!

* * * *
I expect to be working again soon, to take up my tax burden again! Meantime, my severance pay is getting taxed to death!

32 Spartacus50  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:55:34pm

What upsets me about these protests (other than the Paulian infestation) is that they are completely meaningless. If they were as active on a local level in getting right-minded people elected to Congress, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

33 kywrite  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:55:58pm

re: #19 Adrenalyn

just trying to segue into making this a boob thread

Topless tea parties? Okay, maybe that wouldn't work out so well everywhere.

34 victor_yugo  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:56:03pm

re: #28 Mithrax

More puns and we're all toast.

Toasted puns are great for sandwiches.

35 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:56:14pm

re: #28 Mithrax

More puns and we're all toast.

Can't always preserve the situation...

36 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:56:18pm

re: #26 alegrias

One guy I disapproved of had a sign saying "Right Wing Extremist" and I considered that stupid and attention-whorish, not helpful.

I don't know if you saw my post before... was the slogan accompanying a portrait of George Washington? That's what I saw. Made me chuckle, actually, I read it as sarcasm.

37 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:56:20pm

Unreal: CNN reporter openly contemptuous of tea parties

I think I a morphing into a kook.

SOunds like she wrote the DHS report.

38 Athos  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:57:03pm

re: #8 acwgusa

Instead of protesting taxes, I'm at work, so I can pay them!

And here in California, we're dedicating 100% of our incomes from Jan 1st to about July 20th to pay our Federal and State. It will not get better as long as the focus for increasing tax revenues are higher rates as opposed to growth. California and NY have probably the worst state economies in the country - and the highest tax rates. And people think even higher tax rates will fix it?

Why doesn't anyone correlate the times when government revenues are the highest - it's not when the rates are the highest, but when the economy is growing?

39 rusty_armor  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:57:11pm

re: #20 Ben Hur

Early OT, hyperventilation inducing and threadworthy:

U.S. senator Kerry arrives in Sudan for three day visit


BOMB SUDAN AND THE JANJIWEED.

One mans search for relevance

40 victor_yugo  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:57:11pm

re: #33 kywrite

Topless tea parties? Okay, maybe that wouldn't work out so well everywhere.

Then we'll just settle for wet tea parties.

41 KingKenrod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:57:13pm

re: #20 Ben Hur

Early OT, hyperventilation inducing and threadworthy:

U.S. senator Kerry arrives in Sudan for three day visit

BOMB SUDAN AND THE JANJIWEED.

Sudan probably wants Obama to stop Israel from targeting Iranian/Hamas resupply routes.

42 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:57:24pm

re: #35 MrSilverDragon

Can't always preserve the situation...

Sometimes you just can't get out of a jam.

43 snowcrash  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:57:47pm

(I posted this on an earlier thread) Just back from Southlake TX Tea Party. Radio personality Mark Davis and Congressman Kenny Marchant spoke. Crowd estimated at 500. Parking was a pain. Weather beautiful 70*. Lots of signs! Best ones: "It's the $pending, $tupid" and "We'll keep our money, You keep the change". lol. Many flags. Some counter protesters, supposedly Obama supporters present. No confrontations that I could see. The focus was mostly on government spending and the expansion of government. Very tame and civil, just as one would expect in a small town. City of Dallas tonight will probably be a very different story. I'll watch that on the news:

44 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:57:51pm

re: #21 harrylook

Here's a thought: we could try ignoring the fringe kooks and focus on what's important: our impotent weakling CIC who cuts missile defense just as our lunatic enemies develop the missile capability to nuke our cities. Who bashes America for all her mistakes but ignores the crimes of others. Who is saddling our children with unprecedented debt. Who calls for America to denuclearize while saying its cool for Iran to enrich uranium. Etc.

Or we could just go on with the "Obama isn't so bad - some people are really being unfair with him" routine. Either way...

I agree with you. If they were hanging BHO in effigy as the Left loved to do to Bush , that would be one thing.
If some people there crticise Obama, they do not somehow become dangerous Right Wing fanatics. Obama is spending money like a drunken sailor. Whatever Bush did or did not do , he is no longer the President

45 commander_vimes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:57:52pm

I went to the DC party. I'd' guess at 1000-2000 attendees. I could hear the speakers but could not see them on the stage. Lots of great signs, most of which were not carbon copies of those you'd find online. Quotes indicate a well-informed populace.

Only a few blatant Paulians. Mostly just great messages.

46 ThingFish  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:57:54pm

re: #18 Jetpilot1101

I've been watching the Fox News frequently for the past few weeks, thinking that they'd be a little more level headed... I'm about sick of them, but I must say- Neil Cavuto is about the only one I like consistently. I do agree, though, the iterwebs and some radio is a better place for the news.

47 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:58:11pm

re: #30 jcm

The tea party idea was an honest effort by honest folks who are upset by the direction in DC. They are for the most part working folks busy with work and family. The whole political activism thing is new territory for them.

On the other hand for hard core Paulbots and other kooks and loony toons activism is their bread and butter.

The result is the honest part of the Tea Bag protests has been blindsided by the kooks and loons.

Have there been any Paulbot-dominated parties you've heard of yet today?

48 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:58:33pm

re: #28 Mithrax

More puns and we're all toast.

*sigh* I donut want to do this.

49 redheadredstate  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:59:03pm

5,000 or so at the Tea Party in Southlake here in Texas. Lots of well behaved folks, great signs (not a plaster head in sight). I had to park blocks away and was happy to have to make that long walk.

50 Mithrax  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:59:11pm

re: #48 ConservatismNow!

*sigh* I donut want to do this.

Fine fine, we'll split it and go dutchie :P

51 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:59:26pm

OT, but
Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday the high-seas pirate drama shows why the Pentagon should buy more affordable ships, planes and weapons even if they are not perfect.
Because the Russians and Chinese won't be using more sophisticated weapons than the pirates, either, right?
/

52 Athos  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:59:30pm

re: #20 Ben Hur

"We're all very hopeful that we can make progress on these issues."

Surrendering isn't progress, Senator....unless you're for the other side.

53 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:59:57pm

re: #47 capitalist piglet

Have there been any Paulbot-dominated parties you've heard of yet today?

Only from that thread of a few says ago.

54 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 12:59:57pm

re: #29 capitalist piglet

I think he's hosting the Sacramento Tea Party - so there are some saner voices out there.

Personally, I would have preferred that the celebrites butt out in general, because it wasn't their thing to begin with - but Cavuto is okay with me.

I agree with you. I have no beef with Neil Cavuto. I used to like Glenn Beck but in my opinion he has gone off the deep end. Conservatism doesn't need a bunch of showmen, what it needs is level headed solutions to real problems. The days of simply blaming the Democrats need to come to and end. The GOP or whoever wants to step up to the plate and lead conservatives needs to come up with a plan that works and then sell that plan to the American people. They need to do this with numbers and facts, not rhetoric and showmanship. Until this happens, conservatism will continue to wallow in it's current morass.

55 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:00:10pm

re: #48 ConservatismNow!

*sigh* I donut want to do this.

that is so old fashioned of you

56 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:00:16pm

re: #37 Ben Hur

Unreal: CNN reporter openly contemptuous of tea parties

I think I a morphing into a kook.

SOunds like she wrote the DHS report.

"Do you realize, sir, that you qualify for a $400 tax credit?"

Interesting how she assumes to know something about the guy's personal finances.

57 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:00:41pm

re: #49 redheadredstate

5,000 or so at the Tea Party in Southlake here in Texas. Lots of well behaved folks, great signs (not a plaster head in sight). I had to park blocks away and was happy to have to make that long walk.

Gotta have the giant heads, nobody pays attention unless you have giant heads.

/////

58 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:00:57pm

re: #56 Occasional Reader

"Do you realize, sir, that you qualify for a $400 tax credit?"

Interesting how she assumes to know something about the guy's personal finances.

Interesting that we never saw that type of "tough reporting" when the freaks came out at night for 8 years.

59 Athos  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:01:12pm

re: #19 Adrenalyn

just trying to segue into making this a boob thread

Code Pink, Paulians, Stormfronters......too many boobs involved already in these protests.

60 Jonn Lilyea  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:01:18pm

I saw a lot of similarities between the Ron Paul rallies and the Tea Party rallies, but there are crack pots in every crowd, aren't there? Nonetheless it's news and here's my still-dripping report from the DC Tea Party complete with Code Pink (starring Medea Benjamin) and Move On invasions.

61 KingKenrod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:01:19pm

re: #32 Spartacus50

What upsets me about these protests (other than the Paulian infestation) is that they are completely meaningless. If they were as active on a local level in getting right-minded people elected to Congress, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

Maybe not. Elected Democrats from traditionally red areas have got to stop and think twice. Many were elected because they promised fiscal resposibility (which Republicans were not delivering).

62 kywrite  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:01:30pm

re: #32 Spartacus50

What upsets me about these protests (other than the Paulian infestation) is that they are completely meaningless. If they were as active on a local level in getting right-minded people elected to Congress, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

Which is what we need to focus on at tea parties, getting votes and not just feelings, information and not just activism. I'm going to get involved with the RNC after we move to Georgia this year -- and I'm proselytizing to everyone I know to at least bring more voters to the poll when they go next time. If we could all just get ten percent of our friends to bring one more voter in, that would do it, you know. (but I'm trying for 100% and two voters!)

63 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:01:47pm

re: #48 ConservatismNow!

*sigh* I donut want to do this.

It can be a real bear, claw-ing your way out of a pun thread.

64 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:02:00pm

re: #20 Ben Hur

Ah, cozying up with a genocidal dictator. Just what the US needs. Then again, Kerry hasn't found a dictator that he hasn't cozied up to; having already visited Syria's Assad.

This is the kind of foreign policy we avoided during the past four years, but now we're getting it in spades.

Oh, and keep in mind that the two US ships attacked by Somali pirates were providing humanitarian aid relief to Darfur.

65 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:02:02pm

Frothing at the mouth Fox News link to WHACKO Tea Parties..........
/Look at those weirdos wasting their time protesting. That never works.........

66 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:02:13pm

Got to go Lizards. Play nice and stay sane.

67 Daria Emmons  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:02:22pm

Okay, let's be honest. This site is not trying to "help out" the Tea Parties. Rather, it is necessarily implying the Tea Parties have been coopted by kooks and cranks, and that they should be avoided in their entirety. I see little constructive criticism here.

68 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:02:29pm

I don't think these matter, really. There could be 50 million people protesting today, but the bottom line is last November 53% or so of the electorate already said they want more stuff, nevermind where it comes from.

69 world b. free  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:02:38pm

Wow, color me shocked that you're ambivalent about these tea parties.

When are you going to issue some marching orders so we can all be doing something you deem worthwhile? I've been reading this site for a long time and you've been a real Debbie Downer lately, Charles.

70 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:02:41pm

Hello Lizards just wanted to say Happy Tea Party Day. Did my duty as an American and sent my $4,000 check to the IRS.

I have my own blog now so please stop bye.
Love you
Country First

Afrocity Blog

71 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:02:43pm

re: #63 Occasional Reader

It can be a real bear, claw-ing your way out of a pun thread.

danish the truth, man

72 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:02:48pm

re: #60 Jonn Lilyea

I saw a lot of similarities between the Ron Paul rallies and the Tea Party rallies, but there are crack pots in every crowd, aren't there? Nonetheless it's news and here's my still-dripping report from the DC Tea Party complete with Code Pink (starring Medea Benjamin) and Move On invasions.

What does Medea's hat say?

Tax the Poop?

73 Kragar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:02:55pm

re: #63 Occasional Reader

It can be a real bear, claw-ing your way out of a pun thread.

Still, its a nice way to fritter away a day

74 johnnyreb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:03:21pm

re: #56 Occasional Reader

"Do you realize, sir, that you qualify for a $400 tax credit?"

Interesting how she assumes to know something about the guy's personal finances.

And the word "sir" was said with contempt. She should lose her job over that interview, but it is CNN so she most likely will get a raise. That was one of the most hateful and vile attempts at an interview that I have seen in quite a while.

75 Kragar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:03:24pm

take cover, ban hammer incoming

76 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:03:33pm

re: #66 Jetpilot1101

Got to go Lizards. Play nice and stay sane.

Keep your takeoffs equal to your safe landings!

77 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:03:39pm

re: #63 Occasional Reader

It can be a real bear, claw-ing your way out of a pun thread.

I'll have a biscuit and take a powder....

78 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:03:43pm

I'm not sure if there is any way to keep out the kooks. People could show up with Che Guevara signs and I don't think you could do anything about it.

79 rusty_armor  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:03:52pm

re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Still, its a nice way to fritter away a day

keep the lady fingers out of it ..

80 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:03:54pm

re: #32 Spartacus50

What upsets me about these protests (other than the Paulian infestation) is that they are completely meaningless. If they were as active on a local level in getting right-minded people elected to Congress, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

Maybe these same people will stay active and get out in vote in the next election. That is my hope for this activity.

81 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:03:58pm

In defense of a single Tea Party:
There were no kooks to renounce at the one I attended. I think people may have their wires crossed with who's running these things. The one I went to had no mention of that TaxDay/Ron Paul site. It was all done by Americans for Prosperity which seemed to be a pretty non-partisan,pro- economic conservatism organization. Lots of facts and figures in their speeches, not much "red meat", so to speak. The radio is now reporting that 3,000 were at the one I attended, which is way over the 400-600 estimated by the paper this morning. Those aren't Paulians showing up, believe me, I was there.

82 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:04:15pm

Posted on the other thread... better here to put it in the right box:

Back from the Champaign-Urbana Tea Party.

Politest, cleanest bunch of protesters I've ever seen (OK, my exposure has been limited mainly to Zombie's updates on the fruits and nuts in Berkley).

Just regular folk. About 400 would be my guess (many more than I thought might be there). The MC made a statement about how the event had nothing to do with any party, but did ask if there were any Ron Paul supporters in the crowd (the miniscule response could very well have been characterized by the number "one").

Got a speech from some guy wanting to run for governor who told us he was a Marine for 22 years, didn't mention any political party. His big thing was to repeal the 16th and 17th amendments.

We had one counter-protester. Some well dressed late middle aged woman who walked through the crowd shouting various things (I learned from her that "Obama cares about people", well, thank goodness for that) various things at the crowd. Most everyone ignored her, but one bonehead went and had a confrontation with her. That guy was asked to leave. 1960's retro nut-bag got her face time on camera by the both the news crews in attendance... her main argument was we were opposed to good schools.

I noticed one woman hat had ACORN written all over her, but she did nothing but observe with a body language that exuded disgust. She left pretty early on.

Mrs. Vet was interviewed by one of the local TV crews... she didn't say anything radical or flakey, so I'm sure that will find its way to the edit-room floor.

Once the speeches were done, the group milled around for a while chatting. Very pleasant gathering, glad I went.

83 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:04:20pm

re: #56 Occasional Reader

"Do you realize, sir, that you qualify for a $400 tax credit?"

Interesting how she assumes to know something about the guy's personal finances.

Do you, the reporter, realize that many states have increased their own taxes by far greater than $400?

My property taxes have gone up by enough to eat up the entire $400. Some parts of NJ have seen their property taxes go up 47%. States are busy hiking taxes and fees left and right. And this clown thinks that $400 for the year (broken out to $13 a week) is tax relief?

Never mind that Obama and his fellow Democrats were pushing for a repeal of the Bush tax cuts, but allowing them to sunset will be a massive tax increase.

84 kywrite  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:04:29pm

By the way, I think we owe a big thank-you to Charles for opening this thread despite his mixed feelings.

Thanks, Charles!

85 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:04:31pm

re: #64 lawhawk

Ah, cozying up with a genocidal dictator. Just what the US needs. Then again, Kerry hasn't found a dictator that he hasn't cozied up to; having already visited Syria's Assad.

This is the kind of foreign policy we avoided during the past four years, but now we're getting it in spades.

Oh, and keep in mind that the two US ships attacked by Somali pirates were providing humanitarian aid relief to Darfur.

10s of thousands, if not 100s of thousands of non-Arab Sudanese will be killed in the next 4-8 years, so The One can show that he's not Bush.

86 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:04:33pm

re: #70 Afrocity

Hello Lizards just wanted to say Happy Tea Party Day. Did my duty as an American and sent my $4,000 check to the IRS.

I have my own blog now so please stop bye.
Love you
Country First

Afrocity Blog

Hi, Afrocity, haven't seen you for a couple days.

So you are one of the rich! Congratulations! // ;-P

87 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:04:44pm

re: #70 Afrocity

Hey Afrocity. How are you?

88 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:05:03pm

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

take cover, ban hammer incoming

Where did all these new posters come from, only to complain? I never see them on other threads.
What are they, sock puppets for Ron Paul?

89 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:05:22pm

re: #56 Occasional Reader

"Do you realize, sir, that you qualify for a $400 tax credit?"

Interesting how she assumes to know something about the guy's personal finances.

It isn't about todays taxes, although there's a lot to fix there and today is symbolic.

It's about what will happen tomorrow, to the financial and moral situation of America if the government spigot is opened ever wider.

90 gtluke  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:05:33pm

My pics from the Morristown Tea Party in NJ. Morristown is a very historical revolutionary war city.
[Link: gtluke.smugmug.com...]

91 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:06:32pm

re: #70 Afrocity

Hello Lizards just wanted to say Happy Tea Party Day. Did my duty as an American and sent my $4,000 check to the IRS.

I have my own blog now so please stop bye.
Love you
Country First

Afrocity Blog

But....but....but.....

/NHS

(obscure reference to Lethal Weapon II)

92 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:07:18pm

re: #24 opnion

A lady at the Chicago Tea Party told me when I walked through that they expected 700 of them nationwide of various attendance. Anybody hear that?


Last I heard it was over 800

93 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:07:35pm

re: #78 Archimedes

I'm not sure if there is any way to keep out the kooks. People could show up with Che Guevara signs and I don't think you could do anything about it.

What could be done: stop attacking the messenger, acknowledge the problem, and speak out about it.

Instead of denying and ignoring.

94 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:07:55pm

re: #91 Ben Hur

But....but....but.....

/NHS

(obscure reference to Lethal Weapon II)

I don't get it.

And I'm pretty damn good at obscure movie refefences, if I do say so myself.

95 Athos  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:08:03pm

re: #67 Daria Emmons

Okay, let's be honest. This site is not trying to "help out" the Tea Parties. Rather, it is necessarily implying the Tea Parties have been coopted by kooks and cranks, and that they should be avoided in their entirety. I see little constructive criticism here.

There's no implication....the facts are there, some of the protests have been coopted by the kooks and cranks from the hard right. It's just as they have done for years - infiltrate and then use their participation as both an acknowledge of their power and influece (which is far beyond reality) and as a cover for their looniness - their acceptance into the 'mainstream' of the GOP. This in turn leads to the opposition linking all of us in with these same odious nimrods.

Attend the tea parties, particularly if they aren't organized by individuals with obvious agenda's and affiliations. But if someone starts yammering about book burning or other fascist notions - your reputation requires you to confront them and put them back on the outer fringe frontier where they belong before you are tarred with their crap.

96 KingKenrod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:08:21pm

Conservatives don't have any leadership right now. We have to make sure fringe elements don't try to disguise their past and take up the legitimate mantle of leadership. Pat Buchanan and Pat Robertson types (who, unlike Ron Paul or David Duke, were broadly popular) have to be shown the door.

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:08:24pm

re: #60 Jonn Lilyea

I saw a lot of similarities between the Ron Paul rallies and the Tea Party rallies, but there are crack pots in every crowd, aren't there? Nonetheless it's news and here's my still-dripping report from the DC Tea Party complete with Code Pink (starring Medea Benjamin) and Move On invasions.

Oooh, cool.

98 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:08:27pm

I've been seeing photos of people at tea parties carrying signs identifying themselves as "right wing extremists."

Oh yeah. Great idea.

99 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:08:31pm

Good Afternoon Lizard Nation!

I was in Boston earlier as I had to file some papers at the courthouse right around the corner from the State House - one of the two locations for tea parties.

The State House tea party was set to begin at noon. It was about 11:15 when I drove right past the Common and State House and I would estimate the crowd at a few hundred....I was stuck in traffic for a bit so I was able to observe and I scribbled down what I saw for signs. Not ONE Ron Paul sign in sight. Lots of American flags, lots of Don't Tread on Me banners and lots of homemade signs ranging from "DUMP BARNEY" to "SPREAD YOUR OWN WEALTH" to "TERM LIMITS." No nuts, kooks.

100 johnnyreb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:08:40pm

re: #88 Kosh's Shadow

Where did all these new posters come from, only to complain? I never see them on other threads.
What are they, sock puppets for Ron Paul?


Sleepers activated by code words in the thread titles would be my guess
////

101 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:09:02pm

Again, I have been to two tea parties so far (and will be attending another one in 3 hours exactly) and saw no Ron Paul or Lyndon LaRouche acolytes there. I think (respectfully) that this is a classic red herring.

102 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:09:08pm

re: #70 Afrocity

Hello Lizards just wanted to say Happy Tea Party Day. Did my duty as an American and sent my $4,000 check to the IRS.

I have my own blog now so please stop bye.
Love you
Country First

Afrocity Blog

ROFL!

I love the pic of Obama walking his dog (scroll down for it Lizards it's worth it).

103 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:09:25pm

re: #94 Occasional Reader

Danny Glover and Joe Pesci at the South African consulate.

"My friend wants to immigrate to South Africa, I want you to talk him out of it"

Ring a bell now?

104 Jack Bauer's Evil Brother  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:09:40pm

Charles, I have read your blog for four and a half years now, and i have always found it interesting even when I disagree with you. But you are being entirely unfair when you hold the tea parties to a standard that no other mass movement is ever held to. Every movement has its fringe elements, and I'm sure the tea parties are no exception. But the tea parties have not been "coopted to a large extent by Ron Paul nuts." There aren't that many paulnuts around. That's what makes them a fringe.

105 simonml  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:09:46pm

I speak with my votes and campaign contributions (little though they are) as well as letters to my elected representatives with questions or concerns about specific causes.

That being said, I have no problem with people protesting about whatever they want, no matter how stupid it may be. The problem with these Tea Parties isn't what the people are saying or what people co-opt the protests, the problem is that we voters let ourselves get into this mess in the first place.

To sum up, I voted for the other guy and my elected representatives already know how I feel on the subject of taxes

106 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:09:51pm

re: #99 loppyd

Hey how are you? I would love to email you and go over a few things.

107 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:09:52pm

re: #40 victor_yugo

Then we'll just settle for wet tea parties.

we have snow

108 Jonn Lilyea  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:10:00pm

re: #72 jcm

You'd think, wouldn't ya? One of her three corners said "I (heart) Fox" - I guess she figured with that, no one would recognize her.

109 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:10:03pm

It's not about our taxes today, it's about the Constitution, FREEDOM, and the future of America folks, WE all have to take a stand against what is happening to all of us.

110 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:10:29pm

re: #70 Afrocity

Great blog.

111 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:10:32pm

Thanks to all of you who are posting pics from your "hometown" tea parties. Good to see all these folks out.

112 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:10:49pm

re: #70 Afrocity

Holy Smokes!
I went to your site.
You've been bamboozled by RON PAUL!
You need deprogramming.

Great Site........Bookmarked.

113 Caboose  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:10:52pm

Well, me and the better half plan on attending the Atlanta rally, with much the same concerns that the boss lizard has, but I hope that it turns out well and that the loonies are kept in check by the more sane ones of us (but of course, sadly the loonies will be on the 11 o'clock news). I'm just concerned that there will be those there that want to turn a tax protest into an anti-BHO rally and while I do oppose him on many things, the tax situation that we are in cannot be laid solely at his feet; there are plenty of culprits on both sides of the House and Senate that willingly helped create this mess. This needs to stay non-partisan if we ever want to get this mess fixed. If this rally degenerates into an anti-BHO hate-fest, we will be outta there, pronto. There is a time and place for everything, but tonight is not the time to beat up on BHO (too much)

114 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:11:06pm

re: #104 Jack Bauer's Evil Brother

Charles, I have read your blog for four and a half years now, and i have always found it interesting even when I disagree with you. But you are being entirely unfair when you hold the tea parties to a standard that no other mass movement is ever held to. Every movement has its fringe elements, and I'm sure the tea parties are no exception. But the tea parties have not been "coopted to a large extent by Ron Paul nuts." There aren't that many paulnuts around. That's what makes them a fringe.

Actually you made a lot of good points. The people I saw at the parties were decent, patriotic peopel - the type that you would want to have as friends and co-workers.

115 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:11:14pm

re: #106 Joel

Hey how are you? I would love to email you and go over a few things.

Hi {Joel} my long lost pall!

I still use my yahoo and gmail accounts. Would love to catch up!

116 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:11:26pm

re: #94 Occasional Reader

I don't get it.

And I'm pretty damn good at obscure movie refefences, if I do say so myself.

In the South African embassy. Danny Glover want to emmigrate.....

117 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:11:56pm

re: #109 'Nam Grunt

{NAAAAAAAAAAAAAM}!

118 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:12:02pm

re: #96 KingKenrod

Conservatives don't have any leadership right now. We have to make sure fringe elements don't try to disguise their past and take up the legitimate mantle of leadership. Pat Buchanan and Pat Robertson types (who, unlike Ron Paul or David Duke, were broadly popular) have to be shown the door.

Pat Buchanan is a regular guest on Fox News. Sean Hannity has actually lavished praise on Buchanan. He's not being shown the door, he's being invited in.

119 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:12:11pm
120 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:12:26pm

re: #98 Charles

I've been seeing photos of people at tea parties carrying signs identifying themselves as "right wing extremists."

Oh yeah. Great idea.

People need to understand that all those crazy peace protests and it's even crazier following did nothing to improve their image in the eyes of normal Americans. By adopting the signs and tactics of those left-wing buffoons the right-wing buffoons are nothing more than the other side of the same coin.

121 BigAl  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:12:28pm

We don't mind paying fair taxes if it can be shown that there is a decent return on our investment. Public schools, for the most part, fail miserably.
Hence a dumbed-down electorate resulting in incompetent 'leaders'.

Now the training of three SEAL sharpshooters-worth every dime.

122 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:12:29pm

re: #12 Jetpilot1101

Glenn "I'll Foam At The Mouth" Beck is largely responsible for ensuring that the kooks are not marginalized. Unfortunately, the level headed TEA party attendees don't have a national TV personality pushing the rational conservative agenda while the kooks get Glenn "Apocalypse Now" Beck.

* * * *
Neil Cavuto the Fox Business analyst and Michael Reagan, son of Pres. Reagan, are covering live the Sacramento California tea party.

Ronald Reagan started his political career right there behind them, in Sacramento, in the 1960s.

They're not kooks, are they? I think not.

123 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:12:31pm

re: #93 Charles

What could be done: stop attacking the messenger, acknowledge the problem, and speak out about it.

Instead of denying and ignoring.

Yes, at the very least that should be done.

I believe lots of these tea parties are being organized via facebook, and perhaps there they could provide the ground rules, so to speak. I do know one guy who was asked to speak and they said the topic of his speech must be taxation. So, there is some of that going on.

124 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:12:39pm

re: #116 Ben Hur

In the South African embassy. Danny Glover want to emmigrate.....

Okay. I recall the scene. But I... still don't get it?

125 Kragar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:12:41pm

I'm personally curious as to what a gathering with this amount of people would smell like without a cloying patchouli haze enveloping the whole event.

126 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:13:10pm

re: #119 smokin' hamster
What we need is a Kook Czar!

127 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:13:11pm

re: #98 Charles

I've been seeing photos of people at tea parties carrying signs identifying themselves as "right wing extremists."

Oh yeah. Great idea.

It is possible they are being sarcastic.

128 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:13:23pm

re: #118 Charles

Pat Buchanan is a regular guest on Fox News. Sean Hannity has actually lavished praise on Buchanan. He's not being shown the door, he's being invited in.

Hannity is a useful idiot.

129 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:13:48pm

re: #115 loppyd

How can I get those emails?

130 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:13:50pm

re: #119 smokin' hamster

So getting in bed with racists, antisemites, nazis, white supremacists is okey dokey with you?

131 harrylook  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:13:54pm

Looks to me like the reports or the Tea Parties being coopted by paulians, racists and other kooks are exaggerations. Some people are focusing on a small fringe element. Why?

132 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:13:55pm

re: #104 Jack Bauer's Evil Brother

Charles, I have read your blog for four and a half years now, and i have always found it interesting even when I disagree with you. But you are being entirely unfair when you hold the tea parties to a standard that no other mass movement is ever held to. Every movement has its fringe elements, and I'm sure the tea parties are no exception. But the tea parties have not been "coopted to a large extent by Ron Paul nuts." There aren't that many paulnuts around. That's what makes them a fringe.

OK, feel free to ignore the fact that the main organizer and spokesman for the tea parties, the guy the mainstream media is talking to, is Eric Odom, a long-time Ron Paul supporter and contributor to some of the most insane websites on the net.

133 calcajun  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:13:58pm

re: #118 Charles

Pat Buchanan is a regular guest on Fox News. Sean Hannity has actually lavished praise on Buchanan. He's not being shown the door, he's being invited in.

Again, I said it a minute ago--we have to control the message--and Pat is the wrong messenger. Hannity is inviting the vampire in to dinner so to speak and does not realize it.

134 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:14:01pm

re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm personally curious as to what a gathering with this amount of people would smell like without a cloying patchouli haze enveloping the whole event.

LOL

I didn't see one tie die shirt in the Boston crowd. Or dreadlocks. I guess the trustafarians stayed home.

135 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:14:01pm

re: #118 Charles

Pat Buchanan is a regular guest on Fox News. Sean Hannity has actually lavished praise on Buchanan. He's not being shown the door, he's being invited in.

Great. On the left, a president who attended 20 years of Jew-hating sermons, and on the right, more Jew-hatred.
Maybe I should move to Israel.

136 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:14:04pm

re: #124 Occasional Reader

Okay. I recall the scene. But I... still don't get it?

The DHS report didn't have African American right wing tea party neo con wakadoos in mind.

137 USCMSNE  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:14:15pm

re: #37 Ben Hur

Unreal: CNN reporter openly contemptuous of tea parties

I think I a morphing into a kook.

What has always bothered me, with regard to taxes, is the presumption that it wasn't my money to begin with. The reporter asked the guy if he realized that he was going to get a $400 tax credit... as if that makes taking every other cent OK.

Anywho... Drudge just now linked the video too. Should be enjoyable to see how this one goes down.

138 Athos  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:14:21pm

re: #104 Jack Bauer's Evil Brother

That fringe managed to spam dozens of polls and get far more attention and coverage than warranted a candidate who draws single digit support.

Ignoring them will not stop the rest of us being painted and lumped in with them. What do you think this is? That the MSM will give conservatives the same pass they gave BO and Wright / Ayers?

If we don't actively keep them on the fringe, then all of us will be painted, regardless about how inaccurate and unfair it may be, as being allies with those odious nutters. That will resonate with the middle that actually decides the elections.

139 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:14:28pm

re: #114 Joel

Yes, like I said, reg. Americans saying that they want their Country back and let us determine our economy not the marxists/socialists, we don't live that way.

140 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:14:36pm
unfortunately almost nobody seems to be interested in denouncing and keeping out the kooks

Charles, what do mean by that, practically?

I went to check out the DC tea party; I saw a couple of people there wearing Ron Paul t-shirts. How do I "keep them out"?

141 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:15:03pm

BIG KOOKS ARE RIPPING US OFF!

142 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:15:08pm

re: #118 Charles

Pat Buchanan is a regular guest on Fox News. Sean Hannity has actually lavished praise on Buchanan. He's not being shown the door, he's being invited in.

Buchanan's also been a regular on MSNBC and seen often on CNN. I don't pay enough attention to Hannity to know much about where he stands, but Hannity, like the leftist hosts on MSNBC and CNN, strikes me as just full of himself.

143 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:15:13pm

re: #117 loppyd

Hey Bunnyhops, how are YOU? ;-)

144 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:15:23pm

re: #92 Eowyn2

Last I heard it was over 800

Wow!

145 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:15:24pm

BBL need to eat.

Looks at the Smurf Village.

Yum.

146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:15:29pm

Enjoying a cup of Earl Grey as we speak.

147 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:15:33pm

re: #140 Occasional Reader

Charles, what do mean by that, practically?

I went to check out the DC tea party; I saw a couple of people there wearing Ron Paul t-shirts. How do I "keep them out"?

You're not supposed to keep them out; you're supposed to make everyone else leave.

/

148 simonml  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:15:40pm

re: #121 BigAl

We don't mind paying fair taxes if it can be shown that there is a decent return on our investment. Public schools, for the most part, fail miserably.
Hence a dumbed-down electorate resulting in incompetent 'leaders'.

Now the training of three SEAL sharpshooters-worth every dime.

Ever seen Idiocracy?

149 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:16:04pm

re: #32 Spartacus50

What upsets me about these protests (other than the Paulian infestation) is that they are completely meaningless. If they were as active on a local level in getting right-minded people elected to Congress, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

* * * *
Whether the chicken came first or the egg, may be meaningless to you.

Some voters perhaps did not understand their vote or NON-vote in November, would have consequences.

Some didn't realize endless bailouts and pork barrel projects would be paid by THEM.

Who are you to decide what these protests mean to the individuals involved?

150 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:16:06pm

re: #143 'Nam Grunt

Hey Bunnyhops, how are YOU? ;-)

I'm good! Planning a wedding.... ;~)

How are you? Hope you and the poochies are well.

151 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:16:15pm

re: #146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Enjoying a cup of Earl Grey as we speak.

I'm about to go make one! We are, like, mind-melded n' stuff.

152 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:16:19pm

re: #102 jcm

ROFL!

I love the pic of Obama walking his dog (scroll down for it Lizards it's worth it).

Yes, but do you have one of Obama walking his dogma?...:)

153 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:16:22pm

re: #124 Occasional Reader


Youtube Video
154 Kragar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:16:29pm

re: #134 loppyd

LOL

I didn't see one tie die shirt in the Boston crowd. Or dreadlocks. I guess the trustafarians stayed home.

I'm sure there are some sitting at home in Mom's basement critiquing the tea parties right now.

"Dude! Where are the kitchen pot drummers? WTF? No black bandanas? I haven't even seen one spit on a cop yet. Fucking amateurs."

155 Cato  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:16:43pm

I think it is shameful that all these people are coming out for tea-bagging. That is a private matter.

156 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:16:49pm

re: #129 Joel

How can I get those emails?

I just made my nic blue so click away and shoot me an email!

157 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:16:52pm

re: #85 Ben Hur

10s of thousands, if not 100s of thousands of non-Arab Sudanese will be killed in the next 4-8 years, so The One can show that he's not Bush.

I hope you're wrong. I really, really, hope you're wrong.

158 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:16:55pm

re: #124 Occasional Reader

Okay. I recall the scene. But I... still don't get it?

"Please listen to your friend. You don't want to immigrate to South Africa"
"Yes I do"
"But.... but... but... you're black...."

The implication here was since Afrocity owes $4000 in taxes shes "rich" and according to left-wing nonsense, blacks cant be "rich" because teh evil racist capitalist white Man is keeping them down. Hence "you can be rich" "yes I am" "but.. but... but..."

159 KenJen  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:17:08pm

I posted this eariler but it's still my favorite protester sign: "Don't Tax Me Bro."

160 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:17:12pm

re: #96 KingKenrod

Conservatives don't have any leadership right now. We have to make sure fringe elements don't try to disguise their past and take up the legitimate mantle of leadership. Pat Buchanan and Pat Robertson types (who, unlike Ron Paul or David Duke, were broadly popular) have to be shown the door.

Pat Buchanan and David Duke have been shown the door! Where have you been? Buchanan has not been a Republican at least since 2000, and Duke was repudiated by the GOP "Vote for the crook (Edwin Edwards) not the Nazi" was the bumper sticker slogan that the GOP use din the Louisiana election in which he ran for Governor. In fact I think that Duke and Buchanan would find a lot of soul mates on the far left of the democratic party - Pete Stark, Dennis Kucinich, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, John Edwards, and now John Kerry sucking up to the tyrants in the Sudan.

161 jcm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:17:25pm

re: #152 Dustyvet

Yes, but do you have one of Obama walking his dogma?...:)

His dogma walks him.........

162 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:17:32pm

The organizer of the Tea Party's are mainstream America. Gosh folks.

163 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:17:34pm

re: #37 Ben Hur

Unreal: CNN reporter openly contemptuous of tea parties

I think I a morphing into a kook.

SOunds like she wrote the DHS report.

"They yelled at me! Why won't they watch CNN, America's most respected news network? WAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

164 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:17:35pm

re: #136 Ben Hur

The DHS report didn't have African American right wing tea party neo con wakadoos in mind.

Ah.

On one thing I think we can agree; Mel's South African girlfriend in that flick was a hottie.

165 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:17:35pm

Report from Baton Rouge, LA, "Tea Party":
Lots of people, many more than were expected. They had to go get additional speakers for the sound system in order to be heard.

Many shouts of USA.

Many signs, mostly homemade it looked to me. Lots and lots of flags - US flag, "don't tread on me" flags.

Pledge of allegiance, National Anthem, and a special acknowledgement and thanks to military veterans.

Acknowledgement by the speakers that this was not about any one person, or any particular party - both parties have contributed to the mess we're in.

Kooks - a very few scraggly-looking people, like they were homeless sorts who just sort of wandered in and one guy who seemed determined to keep an orange bandanna over his face (way to hot!), but mostly people who looked and sounded just like I do. Workers taking an afternoon off to attend in their work clothes, retirees taking the afternoon to attend, some people brought their kids.

And that's how it stood when I had to leave, about an hour into it. It had about another hour to go, but I was too hot, and the novocaine from the emergency visit to the dentist this morning was wearing off and my tooth hurt really bad.

I have pics, but don't really feel like uploading them just now. They aren't very interesting, anyhow.

166 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:17:44pm

Although the kooks will ruin the tea parties with their shenanigans, I think that there are some level-headed, fiscally responsible, adults in these crowds. Those are the ones I care about because that is who I am.

167 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:17:51pm

re: #140 Occasional Reader

Charles, what do mean by that, practically?

I went to check out the DC tea party; I saw a couple of people there wearing Ron Paul t-shirts. How do I "keep them out"?

What I mean by it is on display right here in this thread. We've had two meltdowns today already, because I'm not willing to just shut up about what I see as a real problem.

Those people are showing up with Ron Paul t-shirts and signs because they feel welcome.

168 Kragar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:17:59pm

re: #155 Cato

I think it is shameful that all these people are coming out for tea-bagging. That is a private matter.

And no one even looks to being close to drunk enough yet. This is going to take all night.

169 Athos  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:18:13pm

re: #161 jcm

His dogma walks him.........

And it won't even pick up after him......

170 Duke6855  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:18:27pm

re: #99 loppyd

I went to the Boston party around noon on my lunch break just to see how it went, and it seemed pretty solid. There was a small cluster of Paulians with 2nd amendment flags and signs, but they had no part in the rally itself.

Plus a few "Who is John Galt", my personal favorite :)

171 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:18:34pm

re: #135 Kosh's Shadow

Great. On the left, a president who attended 20 years of Jew-hating sermons, and on the right, more Jew-hatred.
Maybe I should move to Israel.

Of course, then you'd have Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, HAMAS, PA, IJ, Hezbollah & the long arm of Iran for neighbors.

172 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:18:47pm

The odious phrase in Napolitanos answer to the critics, IMHO

Rightwing extremism," the report defines in a footnote on Page 2, goes beyond religious and racial hate groups and extends to "those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely."

So anyone that favoring states rights over a large federal gov't is an "extremist'

Someone dig up the Founding Fathers. I would love their take on this!

173 moonflower  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:18:48pm

Just came back from the Tea Party in Glendale, CA -- at least 3-4 hundred very well behaved people of all ages from all walks of life. Only 2 9/11 Troofers there and they were largely ignored and left after about 1/2 hour. Several news outlets were there. I didn't see any Paulians or crazies at all, just people sick of paying everyone else's way in the world.

174 Duke6855  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:19:24pm

re: #170 Duke6855

a few "Who is John Galt" signs*** pmif...

175 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:19:43pm

re: #161 jcm

His dogma walks him.........

Must be Pavlov's dogma...:)

176 Dave the.....  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:19:44pm

Local paper carried a short story online, pretty much prewritten. They used the word "angry" in the first sentence. Then the only quotes or signs listed where the kooks. You get 4,000 people. If 10 of them are wacko's, guess who gets quoted.....

177 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:19:50pm

re: #164 Occasional Reader

Ah.

On one thing I think we can agree; Mel's South African girlfriend in that flick was a hottie.

Patsy Kinset. I remember her without having to look her name up!

178 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:20:00pm

re: #154 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm sure there are some sitting at home in Mom's basement critiquing the tea parties right now.

"Dude! Where are the kitchen pot drummers? WTF? No black bandanas? I haven't even seen one spit on a cop yet. Fucking amateurs."

I heard a caller earlier on Howie Carr's radio show say a state trooper at the Hartford, CT tea party (crowd estimate in the thousands) told him it the was best crowd he's ever had to deal with.

179 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:20:04pm

re: #160 Joel

Pat Buchanan and David Duke have been shown the door! Where have you been?

Sorry, but that is just not true. Pat Buchanan's columns are published regularly by Townhall.com and by World Net Daily -- among many other GOP/right-wing places -- and he's a frequent guest on Fox News.

180 johnnyreb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:20:07pm

re: #140 Occasional Reader

Charles, what do mean by that, practically?

I went to check out the DC tea party; I saw a couple of people there wearing Ron Paul t-shirts. How do I "keep them out"?

Lets face it. There is no way short of physical violence that you are going to keep people away from public protests of any kind. It all well and good to say lets distance ourselves from them, but when there is any sort of public event going on, the nuts will be there.

As far as other things go, I guess each organizer could put disclaimers on their web sites and the like. Not sure what this will do. We have all seen the CNN interview upthread. That woman went in there with an agenda and not amount of disclaimers were going to stop her.

If anyone has any practical way to distance the tea party movement away from the Ron Paul guys, I have not seen it yet.

181 redstateredneck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:20:11pm

re: #165 reine.de.tout
Thanks for your report. Can't find anything on Jackson, MS.
:-(

182 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:20:24pm

re: #173 moonflower

Just came back from the Tea Party in Glendale, CA -- at least 3-4 hundred very well behaved people of all ages from all walks of life. Only 2 9/11 Troofers there and they were largely ignored and left after about 1/2 hour. Several news outlets were there. I didn't see any Paulians or crazies at all, just people sick of paying everyone else's way in the world.

That's encouraging. However, batshit people flock to causes.

183 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:20:27pm

re: #174 Duke6855

a few "Who is John Galt" signs*** pmif...

Indeed. ;)

184 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:20:31pm

re: #32 Spartacus50

What upsets me about these protests (other than the Paulian infestation) is that they are completely meaningless. If they were as active on a local level in getting right-minded people elected to Congress, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

Maybe it will be a launching pad for average Americans to start working in the party, to shape the GOP platform, and work to nominate electable, sensible conservatives.

185 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:21:22pm

OH SHIT! Today is tax day?

/

186 brookly red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:21:34pm

re: #163 Ward Cleaver

"They yelled at me! Why won't they watch CNN, America's most respected news network? WAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

CNN is worthy of it's own day of protest...

187 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:21:34pm

re: #36 Occasional Reader

I don't know if you saw my post before... was the slogan accompanying a portrait of George Washington? That's what I saw. Made me chuckle, actually, I read it as sarcasm.

* * * *
Hi OR, sorry I missed you at the Lafayette Square. Sorry I did not see an image of George Washington but I wasn't close to the guy with the sign saying "Right Wing Extremist". I imagined he was trying to be funny because of the DHS report.

188 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:22:02pm

re: #179 Charles

Sorry, but that is just not true. Pat Buchanan's columns are published regularly by Townhall.com and by World Net Daily -- among many other GOP/right-wing places -- and he's a frequent guest on Fox News.

as are Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, et al

189 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:22:04pm
...unfortunately almost nobody seems to be interested in denouncing and keeping out the kooks...

Denouncing the kooks is a good idea, because unfortunately there is no way to keep them out of a public demonstration.

190 KingKenrod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:22:40pm

re: #160 Joel

Pat Buchanan and David Duke have been shown the door! Where have you been? Buchanan has not been a Republican at least since 2000, and Duke was repudiated by the GOP "Vote for the crook (Edwin Edwards) not the Nazi" was the bumper sticker slogan that the GOP use din the Louisiana election in which he ran for Governor. In fact I think that Duke and Buchanan would find a lot of soul mates on the far left of the democratic party - Pete Stark, Dennis Kucinich, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, John Edwards, and now John Kerry sucking up to the tyrants in the Sudan.

I said Pat Buchanan and David Duke types. My point is they are less popular now than they used to be and we have to be on guard against others with the same ideals, only whitewashed.

191 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:22:52pm

It seems to me that we have sat back for far too long and let the Paulbots and Buchananites dominate the discussion. By ceeding the ground to their rhetoric, we let them be our voice, not by concent, but by default. We must take back the discussion and remarginalize the Paulbots and the Buchananites. I don't yet know how we can do that, but it must be done, or we are then done for we will have let the Paulbots, the Buchananites, and the Obamatons have their way.

I don't think we should ignore these protesters, many of whom may have joined just because they are angry, but neither Paulbots nor Buchananites. We should find a way to pull the ones like us into our camp, and convert those who are not. If we do not, then the Paulbots and the Buchananites will continue to marginalize us and our message.

192 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:22:57pm

Its nauseating to see Hannity buddy buddy with Buchanan. Fox News is shit. MSM is shit. I will take refuge in LGF. Its the true no spin zone.

193 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:23:01pm

re: #167 Charles

What I mean by it is on display right here in this thread. We've had two meltdowns today already, because I'm not willing to just shut up about what I see as a real problem.

Those people are showing up with Ron Paul t-shirts and signs because they feel welcome.

I think what he wants to know is what he can do as an attendee to marginalize the kooks, and make them feel unwelcome.

194 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:23:08pm

Reine, if you need some puns for the cookbook, yesterday's "Moving still stinks open thread" is peppered with spice and food puns. They could spice up the cookbook well (done).

195 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:23:29pm
196 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:23:54pm

re: #170 Duke6855

I went to the Boston party around noon on my lunch break just to see how it went, and it seemed pretty solid. There was a small cluster of Paulians with 2nd amendment flags and signs, but they had no part in the rally itself.

Plus a few "Who is John Galt", my personal favorite :)

I wish I had seen that sign!

This may blow my cover, but I was able to get through to the Laura Ingraham show earlier and I read her the signs I had written down. She especially loved the DUMP BARNEY sign and we had a laugh over the people carrying the DON'T TREAD ON ME banners being sure bets for making the DHS most wanted Right Wing Extremist list.

197 Ruthless  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:24:00pm

I got an email solicitation from the RNC's Steele today suggesting I "send a tea bag" to Washington. I responded with the following message:

Dear Mr. Steele -- I find it repugnant that your committee is attempting to associate the Republican Party with the truly grass roots movement known as the Tea Parties. This is NOT a movement of "Republicans," but of Americans who are fed up with Washington politics in general and of politicians of all stripes. To attempt to piggyback on this movement is a disgrace. Please, please, get out and DO SOMETHING to rebuild credibility for the Republican Party. Then you can run with that, but stay away from the Tea Parties. If you insist on creating an identity of this movement with your party you will drive away people who might otherwise eventually lean favorably toward Republican candidates, but only if those candidates stand for a new, truly American fiscal conservatism. The goal of the party should NOT be to keep existing pols in office, but to reinvent itself and bring new faces to Washington, people who are not afraid to stand up for what the American people need and want to see done.

198 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:24:03pm

re: #167 Charles

What I mean by it is on display right here in this thread. We've had two meltdowns today already, because I'm not willing to just shut up about what I see as a real problem.

Those people are showing up with Ron Paul t-shirts and signs because they feel welcome.

What I'm not sure of here; is your position "just stay away from the tea parties, because they're overrun with kooks"; or "we should do X to keep the tea parties from being overrun with kooks"? If the latter, what exactly is that "X"?

(Just drawing on my own experience today; I hardly felt I had the right to shout "GET OUT OF THIS RALLY!" at the RP t-shirt wearers.)

199 tackle  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:24:11pm

I was at the gym and they had on MSNBC. Almost no coverage of the tea parties. Any coverage, at least when I was watching, was overhead shots and talking heads. Nothing from the ground. It was disappointing, because I was truly curious about what was going on - the good, the bad and the ugly.

200 incrementandexcrement  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:24:19pm

almost nobody seems to be interested in denouncing and keeping out the kooks, and that’s a real shame.

Revolving title nominee.

201 Kragar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:24:34pm

Afghan women attacked for protesting marriage law

KABUL (AP) — Dozens of young women braved crowds of bearded men screaming "dogs!" on Wednesday to protest an Afghan law that lets husbands demand sex from their wives. Some of the men picked up small stones and pelted the women. "Slaves of the Christians!" chanted the 800 or so counter-demonstrators, a mix of men and women. A line of female police officers locked hands to keep the groups apart.

The warring protests highlight the explosive nature of the women's rights debate in Afghanistan. Both sides are girding for battle over the legislation, which has sparked an international uproar since being quietly signed into law last month.

202 calcajun  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:25:03pm

re: #135 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe I should move to Israel.

Don't--they want you all to be in one place.//

203 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:25:38pm

re: #201 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Afghan women attacked for protesting marriage law

I love women. I really love brave women.

204 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:26:41pm

re: #187 alegrias

Hi OR, sorry I missed you at the Lafayette Square

Maybe you didn't. I was the strikingly handsome guy, with the lean, muscular physique, square jaw, and startlingly intelligent eyes.

205 Dave the.....  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:26:42pm

At a support the troops rally that was held here at the beginning of the Iraq war, the organizers (who were Republicans) stood at the edge of the capital grounds and requested that those with inflammatory signs (like "invade France" or anti-Democrat ones) keep them down. They wanted only positive messages. So you can't police everything, but you can make an effort to keep the wacko's under control.

206 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:26:45pm
(Just drawing on my own experience today; I hardly felt I had the right to shout "GET OUT OF THIS RALLY!" at the RP t-shirt wearers.)

You didn't.

207 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:27:05pm

re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm personally curious as to what a gathering with this amount of people would smell like without a cloying patchouli haze enveloping the whole event.

I don't know. What does pure unmitigated evil smell like?

///moonbat off

208 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:27:24pm

Just a quick drive-by but this is how it's being reported in some MSM:

Tax deadline brings out thousands of protesters
By JOE BIESK (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
April 15, 2009 2:53 PM EDT
FRANKFORT, Ky. - Thousands of protesters, some dressed like Revolutionary War soldiers and most waving signs with anti-tax slogans, gathered around the nation Wednesday for a series of rallies modeled after the original Boston Tea Party. They chose the income tax filing deadline to express their displeasure with government spending since President Barack Obama took office.

The protests were held everywhere from Kentucky, which just passed tax increases on cigarettes and alcohol, to South Carolina, where the governor has repeatedly criticized the $787 billion economic stimulus package Congress passed earlier this year.

"Frankly, I'm mad as hell," said Des Moines, Iowa, businessman Doug Burnett, one of about 1,000 people, many in red shirts declaring "revolution is brewing," at a rally at the Iowa Capitol. "This country has been on a spending spree for decades, a spending spree we can't afford."

Large rallies were expected later in California and New York.

In Atlanta, thousands of people were to gather on the steps of the Georgia Capitol, where Fox News Channel conservative pundit Sean Hannity was set to broadcast his show Wednesday night.

In Boston, a few hundred protesters gathered on the Boston Common - a short distance from the original Tea Party - some dressed in Revolutionary garb and carrying signs that said "Barney Frank, Bernie Madoff: And the Difference Is?" and "D.C.: District of Communism."

The tea parties were promoted by FreedomWorks, a conservative nonprofit advocacy group based in Washington and led by former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey of Texas, a lobbyist whose corporate clients including Verizon, Raytheon, liquor maker Diageo, CarMax and drug company Sanofi Pasteur.

The group's federal tax returns show its educational and charitable arms received more than $6 million in donations in 2007, the most recent year for which returns are available.

Organizers said the movement developed organically through online social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter and through exposure on Fox News.

And while they insisted it was a nonpartisan effort, it has been seized on by many prominent Republicans who view it as a promising way for the party to reclaim its momentum.

"It is a nonpartisan mass organizing effort comprised of people unhappy with the size of government. All you have to be is a mildly awake Republican candidate for office to get in front of that parade," said Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform.

The movement has also attracted some Republicans considering a 2012 presidential bid.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich planned to address a tea party in a New York City park Wednesday night. His advocacy group, americansolutions.com, has partnered with tea party organizers to get word to the group's members.

South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, another likely 2012 GOP presidential hopeful, planned to attend tea parties in Columbia and Charleston. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal sent an e-mail to his supporters, letting them know about tea parties taking place throughout the state.

There were several small counter-protests, including one in at Fountain Square in Cincinnati, where about a dozen people protested the protesters, one carrying a sign that read, "Where were you when Bush was spending billions a month 'liberating' Iraq?" The anti-tax demonstration, meanwhile, drew about 4,000 people.

In Lansing, Mich., outside the state Capitol, another 4,000 people waved signs exclaiming "Stop the Fiscal Madness," "Read My Lipstick! No More Bailouts" and "The Pirates Are in D.C." Children held makeshift signs complaining about the rising debt.
[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:27:24pm

re: #135 Kosh's Shadow

Great. On the left, a president who attended 20 years of Jew-hating sermons, and on the right, more Jew-hatred.
Maybe I should move to Israel.

Have you seen some of their politicians?

210 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:27:25pm

re: #179 Charles

Sorry, but that is just not true. Pat Buchanan's columns are published regularly by Townhall.com and by World Net Daily -- among many other GOP/right-wing places -- and he's a frequent guest on Fox News.

World Net Daily is a nut site (just like DEBKA Files) which has zero credibility. A lot of people (including me) have written to Hugh Hewitt asking him why Buchanan is still a columnist there. Buchanan has appeared on Hannity & Colmes a few times and I always get enraged when I see him but he is a regular on MSNBC (I have seen him on Matthew's, Shuster's, Maddow's shows) where he is presented as a "conservative" when outside of abortion and immigration, he would fit in nicely with a good part of todays Democratic Party. Robert Novak is listed amongst the conservatives but he is a massive Arabist and Israel hater and definitely in the minority. A lot of the more repulsive "conservatives"a re paleocons - Buchanan, Raimundo, NOvak, Paul Roberts, Lew Rockwell).

211 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:27:27pm

re: #204 Occasional Reader

Maybe you didn't. I was the strikingly handsome guy, with the lean, muscular physique, square jaw, and startlingly intelligent eyes.

The square jaw gets me every time.

212 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:27:31pm

re: #179 Charles

Sorry, but that is just not true. Pat Buchanan's columns are published regularly by Townhall.com and by World Net Daily -- among many other GOP/right-wing places -- and he's a frequent guest on Fox News.

Pat Buchanan hasn't been shown any door. I've contacted Townhall (through Hugh Hewitt) and told him I wouldn't subscribe to their magazine as long as Buchanan was welcome there, and I've told Hannity that, too. We all need to tell Hannity, FOX, Townhall, or whomever, that we aren't interested in listening to people like Buchanan, and their Jew-hating BS.

213 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:27:35pm

charles,
this is only the 2nd tea party to take place in nyc.
this is an unfolding phenomenon, conservative civic minded citizens engaging
in lawful demonstration against an out of control leftist tax and spend gov't.
we have a legitimate right to speak our minds.
it is too early to call these events a failure. to backdown because of imagined or even real threats from moonbats.
it may take time to weed out the scum, iron out the kinks.
but we have momentum now, it is a good cause.
necessary.
i understand the taint of radical extremists ,
but our purpose is bigger than any detraction they can bring.
you may be right, they may queer the deal afterall but to give in w/ out a fight
is not the answer.
at least not for many decent patriotic americans who will be participating in this national movement today.
i think it's exciting. the first amendment in action.

214 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:27:42pm

re: #38 Athos

And here in California, we're dedicating 100% of our incomes from Jan 1st to about July 20th to pay our Federal and State. It will not get better as long as the focus for increasing tax revenues are higher rates as opposed to growth. California and NY have probably the worst state economies in the country - and the highest tax rates. And people think even higher tax rates will fix it?

Why doesn't anyone correlate the times when government revenues are the highest - it's not when the rates are the highest, but when the economy is growing?

CA and NY are driving productive businesses to other states.

215 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:27:42pm

re: #201 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Afghan women attacked for protesting marriage law

I'd love to see the lefty protesters who always crowed about how "brave" they were try to match these ladies' valor.

216 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:28:07pm

re: #98 Charles

I've been seeing photos of people at tea parties carrying signs identifying themselves as "right wing extremists."

Oh yeah. Great idea.

I saw one when I walked past the Boston event. Ridiculous.

217 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:28:29pm

re: #198 Occasional Reader

What I'm not sure of here; is your position "just stay away from the tea parties, because they're overrun with kooks"; or "we should do X to keep the tea parties from being overrun with kooks"? If the latter, what exactly is that "X"?

(Just drawing on my own experience today; I hardly felt I had the right to shout "GET OUT OF THIS RALLY!" at the RP t-shirt wearers.)

To be completely honest, yes, I wish people would stay away, as long as the main organizer is someone like Eric Odom. I don't have the power to make that happen -- and I wouldn't even if I could -- but one HUGE reason why it's gotten to this point is because anyone who's tried to criticize the kooks has been smeared, insulted, and marginalized. The right-wing blogosphere is in deep denial.

218 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:28:39pm

Media goes berserk over Obama’s dog


Look, a puppy!

219 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:28:42pm

The Boston tea party was protesting taxes that were far less onerous than what we accept today as normal. If any one of the founders were around today they would wonder why we are not in open rebellion.

220 zombie  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:28:49pm

Charles says,

It’s probably pretty obvious that I’m ambivalent about these protests

...and here's the interesting part: Charles isn't only one ambivalent, because here in SF, two different anarachist anti-authoritarian groups are attending the SF Tea Party -- one of them to earnestly join in and add their voice about "not paying war taxes," while the other anarchist group is looking to attack the protest because they (mistakenly) think that it was organized by The Minutemen. Their poster says something like "Smash the racist Minutemen phony 'Tea Party' protest; kick the racists out of SF!" Meanwhile, of course, the tea party will in reality have many other groups participating -- including the first anti-war anarchist group.

So, what's happening is that one anarchist group will be assaulting the other.

Now that's ambivalence!

I guess they don't call 'em anarchists for nothin'.

221 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:28:54pm

re: #163 Ward Cleaver

"They yelled at me! Why won't they watch CNN, America's most respected news network? WAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

I guess maybe it's too late for O'Reilly to do a segment on this? She opened the door with her attack. This could get juicy.

222 stevieray  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:28:54pm

Here are some photos from the Belmar, NJ Tea Party... held in a cold, rainy spring nor'easter. (I hope the slideshow works!)

I couldn't get a decent vantage point for a good crowd shot -- the protest was up on the boardwalk, so most pics were from below.

I walked through and tried to count... I estimate 250 were there at the time, but because the weather was so bad, people didn't stay long. But as quickly as the early folks left, there were new folks arriving.

Total attendance was probably 750 in all.

223 brookly red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:29:01pm

re: #207 ConservatismNow!

I don't know. What does pure unmitigated evil smell like?

///moonbat off

/like pineapple & tomato sauce...

224 Kragar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:29:04pm

re: #207 ConservatismNow!

I don't know. What does pure unmitigated evil smell like?

///moonbat off

The unwashed scent of George Soros and Helen Thomas, they're bodies still glistening with the sweat of their night of shared passion.

225 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:29:48pm

re: #213 nyc redneck

charles,
this is only the 2nd tea party to take place in nyc.
this is an unfolding phenomenon, conservative civic minded citizens engaging
in lawful demonstration against an out of control leftist tax and spend gov't.
we have a legitimate right to speak our minds.
it is too early to call these events a failure. to backdown because of imagined or even real threats from moonbats.
it may take time to weed out the scum, iron out the kinks.
but we have momentum now, it is a good cause.
necessary.
i understand the taint of radical extremists ,
but our purpose is bigger than any detraction they can bring.
you may be right, they may queer the deal afterall but to give in w/ out a fight
is not the answer.
at least not for many decent patriotic americans who will be participating in this national movement today.
i think it's exciting. the first amendment in action.

Hey, ehhh, you wanna go to a tea party sometime? ;)

226 Russkilitlover  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:29:49pm

re: #37 Ben Hur

Unreal: CNN reporter openly contemptuous of tea parties

.

What a bitch! She's supposed to be a reporter. She went there to yell her opinion at people and shut down their opinion with her interruptions. Liberal in action.

227 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:30:23pm

re: #70 Afrocity

Hello Lizards just wanted to say Happy Tea Party Day. Did my duty as an American and sent my $4,000 check to the IRS.

I have my own blog now so please stop bye.
Love you
Country First

Afrocity Blog

* * * *
Congratulations, Afrocity! Good luck with your blog.

Black Tea Parties! Loose black tea! Very naughty.

Thank you for pointing out poor kids will lose their wonderful charter school educations and be forced back to crappy public schools in DC. You are a brave woman I admire.

228 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:30:36pm

re: #219 BatGuano

The Boston tea party was protesting taxes that were far less onerous than what we accept today as normal. If any one of the founders were around today they would wonder why we are not in open rebellion.

The Boston tea party was protesting taxation without representation, but your point is well taken.

229 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:30:40pm

re: #216 Bloodnok

I saw one when I walked past the Boston event. Ridiculous.

How is it any different than people wearing "Typical White Person" t-shirts?

230 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:30:59pm

re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The unwashed scent of George Soros and Helen Thomas, they're bodies still glistening with the sweat of their night of shared passion.

I made it almost all the way through this thread without needing BRAIN BLEACH.

*whoa*

231 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:31:00pm

re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The unwashed scent of George Soros and Helen Thomas, they're bodies still glistening with the sweat of their night of shared passion.

"It smells worse than Bigfoot's dick!"
- Anchorman

232 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:31:15pm

Just returned from the Charlotte, NC tea party downtown.

Turnout was about 2000 by my estimation. People were calm and respectful, great signs, diverse crowd, friendly folks.

I maybe counted 4 or 5 people with ron paul signs or shirts, out of thousands of attendees.

Charles, there will always be Ron Paul types at any sort of conservative events. Look at the republican primaries and debates for crying out loud! The "fringe" types are in no way hijacking these events as far as I can tell. There will always be lefties with cameras trying to get people to say stupid things, no matter the event, even if it's an official primary.

There will always be John Stewart types who will do what they can to make us look silly.

That's no reason to stay home. If I saw this thing turning into a hatefest or a religious nut platform, I would have left and dis-associated myself from it. But that's not happening, and I respectfully disagree that this is "not the way."

Conservatives rarely feel a sense of community within themselves, because they rarely use their right to assemble.

Today, I saw a lot of "regular" people who were motivated FAR more than they were even during the election.

233 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:31:23pm

re: #211 loppyd

The square jaw gets me every time.

Thanks. It makes shaving a bitch, though... I keep breaking razors on those hard angles.

234 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:31:34pm

re: #225 NYCHardhat

Hey, ehhh, you wanna go to a tea party sometime? ;)

i'm going tonight. a friend told me there are already 1000 people
down at city hall.

235 realwest  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:31:39pm

And, to end my drive by, a repost of my comment #550 on the DT today:
RE: THE TEA PARTIES TODAY.
First of all I hope all of you who can attend a Tea Party (there are 32 different Tea Parties today in North Carolina alone) which are all seemingly being held from 5-7 PM, will do so. Fox News or FoxNation or somesuch has a list of where tea parties are being held in YOUR state.
I believe that today's Tea Parties have the Obama Administration scared - else why the "alert" to LE officials around the country by Secretary Napolitano which got "leaked" to the Media yesterday, just in time for today's Tea Parties, which identify NO specific threat, nor any particular group (other than wacko Neo-Nazi's against whom we ought to remain vigilant in any event) except "extreme right wingers and conservatives"? No specific threat, no specific intel presented about any specific threats etc.

But this year's Tea Parties will serve several useful functions,no matter how the MSM spins it. First, people who love America but don't think Obama's economic policies are going to take America in the correct direction will be meeting - most probably for the first time - with many like minded American Citizens.
Secondly, almost all of the Tea Parties are going to be small - heck there are over 32 different locations for Tea Parties in North Carolina alone, making it more difficult for the Ron Paul follower's to screw things up with their unendingly STUPID questions and signs about Obama's birth - is he an American citizen (hint: YES!) and will make it hard for the Neo-Nazi, White Supremacists to infiltrate all of them.
Third, meeting like minded citizens and staying in touch via e-mail or twitter or that ole stand by, telephone, can be the beginning of a true grass roots movement to take America back to being the land of opportunity for it's citizens, not for it's government.
Finally, today's Tea Parties are, for the reasons listed above, an excellent rehearsal for NEXT YEAR's Tea Parties - which will hopefully be held on the first Saturday or Sunday after April 15, 2010 (and before the off year congressional races that fall) when the real pain of Obama's Tax policies will start to be felt by folks.
But as much as I hope you will all go to a Tea Party today, I would caution you - as Charles cautioned the contra-jihadst conference in Belgium two years ago - PLEASE, PLEASE avoid those "Troofers" (Paul supporters for the most part) questioning Obama's natural born citizenship and of course avoid those Neo-Nazi, White Supremacists so that they can't burnish their image at the expense of a true conservative ground swell - which again may not manifest itself as fully THIS year as it will next year.
And finally, have a good time, be polite - including with any signs you may carry or "message" T-shirts you may wear and SMILE - for the cameras!

236 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:31:40pm

re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist

Have you seen some of their politicians?

Yes, but now Olmert and Livni are out of office.
Of course, there are still the Arab MK's who are for the destruction of Israel.

237 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:31:46pm

Helen Thomas body glistening with sweat...Oh now there's a mental picture that requires a tanker truck of brain bleach!


/S

238 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:31:53pm

re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Weak...

I'm glad i finished my lunch an hour ago.

239 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:31:55pm

re: #156 loppyd

I just sent you an email. Did not realize you are engaged. Congrats on finding a non moonbat in Mass.

240 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:31:59pm

re: #204 Occasional Reader

Maybe you didn't. I was the strikingly handsome guy, with the lean, muscular physique, square jaw, and startlingly intelligent eyes.


Denzel..Is that you?

241 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:32:05pm

re: #226 Russkilitlover

She's an idiot bitch.

242 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:32:14pm

re: #231 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"It smells worse than Bigfoot's dick!"
- Anchorman

Singes the nostrils. Brain, I'm going to be honest with you. That smells like pure gasoline.

243 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:32:23pm

re: #226 Russkilitlover

What a bitch! She's supposed to be a reporter. She went there to yell her opinion at people and shut down their opinion with her interruptions. Liberal in action.

I hope they made her cry.

244 J.S.  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:32:35pm

Haven't seen/heard about any tea parties -- oh, yeah, I'm in Canada...(hmmm...I am, however, infuriated about "inquiries" -- these mockeries of "justice", these so-called "proceedings", these utter outrages -- argh, these are public displays of Kangaroo Courts in operation -- a modern day equivalent of a witch hunt. The Inquisitor demanding what individual X was thinking at the time, this 20 odds years previously, followed by putting words into the mouth of the hapless defendant...and, meanwhile, "members of parliament" -- the ones masterminding this political outrage, question the RCMP -- what's next, The RCMP following the dictates of "parliamentarians"? arresting people as per a government lackey's decrees? Then, the CBC "journalists" all smiling and besides themselves with glee -- they all need to take an introductory course in DUE PROCESS...utterly beyond hope up here...)

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:32:56pm

re: #176 Dave the.....

Local paper carried a short story online, pretty much prewritten. They used the word "angry" in the first sentence. Then the only quotes or signs listed where the kooks. You get 4,000 people. If 10 of them are wacko's, guess who gets quoted.....

Standin' in front of the Israeli Consulate--sea of hysterical college-age whackdoodles in khaffiehs across the street--hyper woman tells local news reporter all the Arabs should be shot--desperate scuffle with polite elbowing breaks out as everyone else tries to get her away from the reporter and get someone else in front of the reporter.

You get used to it, and organizations get fairly clear about what's not OK, and what the organizers will try to get you to stop doing.

246 VioletTiger  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:33:05pm

re: #226 Russkilitlover

What a bitch! She's supposed to be a reporter. She went there to yell her opinion at people and shut down their opinion with her interruptions. Liberal in action.


My reaction exactly. Journalism is truly dead.

247 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:33:06pm

re: #213 nyc redneck

charles,
this is only the 2nd tea party to take place in nyc.
this is an unfolding phenomenon, conservative civic minded citizens engaging
in lawful demonstration against an out of control leftist tax and spend gov't.
we have a legitimate right to speak our minds.
it is too early to call these events a failure. to backdown because of imagined or even real threats from moonbats.
it may take time to weed out the scum, iron out the kinks.
but we have momentum now, it is a good cause.
necessary.
i understand the taint of radical extremists ,
but our purpose is bigger than any detraction they can bring.
you may be right, they may queer the deal afterall but to give in w/ out a fight
is not the answer.
at least not for many decent patriotic americans who will be participating in this national movement today.
i think it's exciting. the first amendment in action.

Great thoughts!
And as you often do, you've written exactly what's been in my mind about these.
And the first amendment in action - for many who have never taken part in anything like this! It was a "first" for me, and for the 2 chums with me, to attend this sort of issues rally.

I saw no "Ron Paul" signs - not saying they weren't there, but I didn't see any, and I moved around from place to place to see what there was to see.

And at our event, it was not Obama-specific. There was an acknowledgement by one of the speakers that this is not a problem of "Democrats" in charge, but also a problem of Republicans who won't act like Republicans when it comes to fiscal issues.

248 Kragar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:33:09pm

re: #242 NYCHardhat

Singes the nostrils. Brain, I'm going to be honest with you. That smells like pure gasoline.

It's made with bits of real panther.

249 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:33:50pm

re: #24 opnion

A lady at the Chicago Tea Party told me when I walked through that they expected 700 of them nationwide of various attendance. Anybody hear that?

I heard about 500 events.

This will be very difficult to compile figures for, because there is essentially no central planning for it.

250 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:33:54pm

re: #248 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It's made with bits of real panther.

So you know its good.

251 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:34:00pm

re: #70 Afrocity

Hello Lizards just wanted to say Happy Tea Party Day. Did my duty as an American and sent my $4,000 check to the IRS.

I have my own blog now so please stop bye.
Love you
Country First

Afrocity Blog

wow, it looks great, congrats.

252 calcajun  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:34:14pm

re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The unwashed scent of George Soros and Helen Thomas, they're bodies still glistening with the sweat of their night of shared passion.

Christ--I just finished my lunch of left-over brisket and now you give me that image. Talk about the beast with two backs! Eww.

253 Kragar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:34:26pm

re: #250 NYCHardhat

So you know its good.

50% of the time, it works everytime.

254 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:34:28pm

Charles,

My friend we are NOT in denial it's happening all over America, perhaps you should take a walk about and rethink the Tea Party's, it's just reg. Americans trying to get their Country back from where it's heading. ;-)

255 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:34:48pm

re: #253 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

50% of the time, it works everytime.

That doesn't make any sense.

256 Kragar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:35:06pm

re: #252 calcajun

Christ--I just finished my lunch of left-over brisket and now you give me that image. Talk about the beast with two backs! Eww.

Must be jelly cause jam don't shake like that.

257 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:35:07pm

re: #214 debutaunt

CA and NY are driving productive businesses to other states.

We in Texas welcome all businesses relocating from CA and NY!

258 calcajun  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:35:07pm

re: #242 NYCHardhat

Singes the nostrils. Brain, I'm going to be honest with you. That smells like pure gasoline.

60 % of the time it works 100% of the time

259 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:35:11pm

re: #217 Charles

as long as the main organizer is someone like Eric Odom

But what does "main organizer" mean to something like this? This seems to be more or less genuine "grass roots"... 800 cities? Something like that?

I have to say, I went to check out the Lafayette Park rally with very low expectations, thinking it would be Paulian/Nirther/Stormfront City. But the vast majority of the protesters looked like very "regular" people, and the vast majority of the slogans heard and seen were simply about lower taxes and smaller government.

Something to think about; even if Odom was heavily responsible for starting this phenomenon, isn't it possible that's it's grown so large that it's gotten away from him?

260 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:35:12pm

Here's the chintzy article my local paper posted. Note that they keep the number of attendees at 900 (there is no way there were that few people, radio is reporting 3,000), they also point out the Dick Armey talking point and say that it was sponsored by the local Republican party. It wasn't, though some local pols from both parties spoke. They also managed to find a "crowd picture" that obscures half of the crowd.
Winston-Salem Tea Party
Pretty typical news story, all things considered.

261 JacksonTn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:35:16pm

re: #226 Russkilitlover

What a bitch! She's supposed to be a reporter. She went there to yell her opinion at people and shut down their opinion with her interruptions. Liberal in action.

Russik ... just another example of CNN lapdogs for Obama ... she said "do you realize you are eligible for a $400 ... " ... big friggin deal ... that is why so many uninformed people voted for Obama ... they sold their souls for $400 ... fuck her and the people who voted him in ... I never watch that channel ever ... rarely even watch news at all now ...

262 vero  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:35:18pm

I must be in the wrong part of the county - didn't see or hear anything close to "kooky" at the Cincinnati Tea Party - unless you include some interesting anti-protest, protesters

263 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:35:23pm

re: #228 unrealizedviewpoint

The phrase, "taxation without representation" goes back to Ireland before our revolution. We have "representation", but a fat lot of good it does us.

264 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:35:30pm

re: #229 loppyd

How is it any different than people wearing "Typical White Person" t-shirts?

To me it is someone misinterpreting the DHS report leaked yesterday and looking to find victimhood where (I believe) there is none.

265 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:35:41pm

re: #242 NYCHardhat

Singes the nostrils. Brain, I'm going to be honest with you. That smells like pure gasoline.

It smells like an old diaper covered in Indian food.

266 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:35:44pm

re: #180 johnnyreb


If anyone has any practical way to distance the tea party movement away from the Ron Paul guys, I have not seen it yet.

Establish local groups. Develop or attract your own speakers. Distribute your own signs. If possible, create limits on the types of signs allowed--if you've gotten the permit, you do have some control. Do media outreach, but also focus on local politicians and like-minded political groups, who are your best target audiences. Let it grow.

Oh, and a tip from what used to be the beginnings of an anti-war movement--don't let International ANSWER do ANYTHING for you.

/

267 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:35:57pm

re: #253 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

50% of the time, it works everytime.

It smells like a used diaper filled with Indian food...

268 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:36:02pm

re: #212 Ward Cleaver

Pat Buchanan hasn't been shown any door. I've contacted Townhall (through Hugh Hewitt) and told him I wouldn't subscribe to their magazine as long as Buchanan was welcome there, and I've told Hannity that, too. We all need to tell Hannity, FOX, Townhall, or whomever, that we aren't interested in listening to people like Buchanan, and their Jew-hating BS.

It's not just Pat Buchanan at Townhall.com, either. They also publish columns by Paul Craig Roberts, who may be even worse than Buchanan, and several other extreme right paleocons.

269 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:36:24pm

re: #265 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It smells like an old diaper covered in Indian food.

smells like a dog turd covered in burnt hair.

270 Kragar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:37:23pm

re: #265 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It smells like an old diaper covered in Indian food.

It smells like a biker threw up on a platter of shrimp

271 manfred the wonder dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:37:33pm

My brother attended one of these events in Livonia, MI. He writes:

"An amazing turnout of citizens for sure. A huge number of seniors were there waving their signs at the traffic. The traffic was slowing down to read the signs and give a thumbs up and a fist shake to show their support. I would guess the crowd was 3 - 4 hundred strong and all segments of the population were represented. Even a surprising amount of school kids. An excellent civics lesson for them. Only one arrest, a person standing in traffic waving her sign. When finally arrested she proclaimed her love for everybody as they placed her in the back of the squad car. The police were very aware of all of the cameras in the crowd and they were very gentle with the arrested protester."

Photos at [Link: www.facebook.com...]

272 Right mind left  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:37:53pm

I think we can all agree that there are many things wrong with the picture today.

Regular people are fed up and feeling powerless, thus attending these over-manipulated tea parties, that I think many will agree won't accomplish any intended goals, except to provide fodder for mockery.

What I see in Charles is a voice of reason.

What I ask NOW is what can the lizard army DO?

We have a great site here for venting, but Charles, what can we DO? WHAT do you suggest be done to redirect those in power NOW, to temper the destruction of our economy, the future of our constitution and the state of our union...the unserviceable debt we saddle the future generations with, etc.

I know about the "next election". I have written in vain to my congresspeople and received their parroted responses...

Is there anything else the oh-so-powerful Lizardoids can (band together and/or) DO that would be constructive?

Anyone know how to start legislation that can be put on any special ballot? Is this insane?

273 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:37:58pm

re: #70 Afrocity

Came late to the thread. Consider yourself bookmarked!

274 jwb7605  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:38:19pm

re: #249 astronmr20

I heard about 500 events.

This will be very difficult to compile figures for, because there is essentially no central planning for it.


To quote Charles (#217):

To be completely honest, yes, I wish people would stay away, as long as the main organizer is someone like Eric Odom. I don't have the power to make that happen -- and I wouldn't even if I could -- but one HUGE reason why it's gotten to this point is because anyone who's tried to criticize the kooks has been smeared, insulted, and marginalized. The right-wing blogosphere is in deep denial.


After watching several TV interviews and reading many comments from attendees, it would seem these Tea Party participants are unaware that they have been organized.

Works for me.

275 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:38:25pm

re: #264 Bloodnok

To me it is someone misinterpreting the DHS report leaked yesterday and looking to find victimhood where (I believe) there is none.

how is wearing a t-shirt making fun of the label being a "victim"?

276 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:38:36pm

re: #239 Joel

I just sent you an email. Did not realize you are engaged. Congrats on finding a non moonbat in Mass.

Got it and replied!

Thanks....he was sort of apolitical and now I have created a freaking MONSTER!

277 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:39:07pm

re: #228 unrealizedviewpoint

The Boston tea party was protesting taxation without representation, but your point is well taken.

If you think these cock-munchers in congress represent us now, you are sorely incorrect.

278 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:39:09pm

re: #254 'Nam Grunt

The only way to 'take back America' is at the Ballot box.

279 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:39:25pm

re: #264 Bloodnok

To me it is someone misinterpreting the DHS report leaked yesterday and looking to find victimhood where (I believe) there is none.

I think it's a joke.

But we can agree to disagree. :)

280 reine.de.tout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:39:39pm

re: #278 HoosierHoops

The only way to 'take back America' is at the Ballot box.

Yes.

281 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:39:39pm

re: #270 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It smells like a biker threw up on a platter of shrimp

Plate o' shrimp?

282 Kragar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:39:51pm

re: #278 HoosierHoops

The only way to 'take back America' is at the Ballot box.

And keep your receipts.

283 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:39:52pm

CNN Reporter Harassed at Chicago "Tea-Party"


Youtube Video
284 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:39:58pm

re: #259 Occasional Reader

That's some of what I was alluding to earlier. Even if Odom is responsible for getting them together, there is no reason in the world we cannot steal his thunder and get these folks into our camp, provided they share our ideas. Marginalize Odom, push him out, and make it our own. By doing so, we can cleanse the kookiness out of it. Sure it'll piss off the Paulbots, but I care not what they think.

285 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:40:02pm

re: #264 Bloodnok

re: #275 sattv4u2

how is wearing a t-shirt making fun of the label being a "victim"?

Did you see Naploitanos defense of the report today?

Rightwing extremism," the report defines in a footnote on Page 2, goes beyond religious and racial hate groups and extends to "those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely."

286 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:40:17pm

re: #278 HoosierHoops

The only way to 'take back America' is at the Ballot box.

I agree. However, ACORN has fucked that up.

287 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:40:29pm

re: #278 HoosierHoops

True enough, but there has to be action to get folks to vote in said ballot box!

288 Kragar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:40:30pm

re: #279 loppyd

But we can agree to disagree. :)

I can't agree to that

289 KenJen  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:40:50pm

Our Louisville Tea party was organized by a 24-year-old waitress named Wendy. She's a Democrat.

290 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:40:52pm

re: #233 Occasional Reader

Thanks. It makes shaving a bitch, though... I keep breaking razors on those hard angles.

Now tell me about the wrists....

291 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:41:00pm

re: #278 HoosierHoops

The only way to 'take back America' is at the Ballot box.

I regret I have but one upding to give for this comment.

292 cgn38navy  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:41:01pm

The one in Virginia Beach was great! I didn't see any nuts and everyone was smiling and had some pretty clever signs. I'm not good at estimating but perhaps 750 people gathered in the Town Center area.

293 brookly red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:41:05pm

re: #286 NYCHardhat

I agree. However, ACORN has fucked that up.

big time.

294 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:41:07pm

re: #285 sattv4u2

re: #275 sattv4u2


Did you see Naploitanos defense of the report today?

Rightwing extremism," the report defines in a footnote on Page 2, goes beyond religious and racial hate groups and extends to "those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely."

WE ARE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE ARE YOUR GOD NOW.

295 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:41:16pm

re: #285 sattv4u2

That makes Gov. Goodhair of Texas a rightwing extremist on another count.

And here I thought he was a shifty pol and former Rudy supporter.

296 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:41:32pm

re: #289 KenJen

Our Louisville Tea party was organized by a 24-year-old waitress named Wendy. She's a Democrat.

Please tell her
A) great job
and
B) I need more coffee and the check!

297 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:41:39pm

re: #277 astronmr20

See my #263. :)

298 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:41:42pm

the 6 and i are going to the one in Van Nuys tonight..... which reminds me: i have to go over to staples and get some paper for two signs.

i'm leaning towards
"Freedom The only stimulus we need"
and
"No thanks! You can keep the change"

299 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:41:43pm

re: #290 loppyd

Now tell me about the wrists....

My wrists? Why, they're strong, tanned, and sinewy, of course. Why do you ask?

300 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:42:29pm

re: #299 Occasional Reader

My wrists? Why, they're strong, tanned, and sinewy, of course. Why do you ask?

They're hard to see beneath those darling lace cuffs.

/

301 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:42:30pm

re: #285 sattv4u2

re: #275 sattv4u2

Did you see Naploitanos defense of the report today?

Rightwing extremism," the report defines in a footnote on Page 2, goes beyond religious and racial hate groups and extends to "those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely."

Yup. It's worse than the report itself.

Fucking.

Bitch.

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:43:04pm

re: #289 KenJen

Our Louisville Tea party was organized by a 24-year-old waitress named Wendy. She's a Democrat.

Good for Wendy.

303 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:43:05pm

re: #159 KenJen

I posted this eariler but it's still my favorite protester sign: "Don't Tax Me Bro."

* * * *
Typical Dem! "Don't Tax Me Bro, Tax The Other Person"

304 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:43:10pm

re: #300 OldLineTexan

They're hard to see beneath those darling lace cuffs.

/

It's the Puffy Somalian Pirate Shirt. It'll be all the rage, you'll see.

305 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:43:11pm

re: #283 Dustyvet

CNN Reporter Harassed at Chicago "Tea-Party"

What a wench.

306 nyc redneck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:43:16pm

re: #247 reine.de.tout

Great thoughts!
And as you often do, you've written exactly what's been in my mind about these.
And the first amendment in action - for many who have never taken part in anything like this! It was a "first" for me, and for the 2 chums with me, to attend this sort of issues rally.

I saw no "Ron Paul" signs - not saying they weren't there, but I didn't see any, and I moved around from place to place to see what there was to see.

And at our event, it was not Obama-specific. There was an acknowledgement by one of the speakers that this is not a problem of "Democrats" in charge, but also a problem of Republicans who won't act like Republicans when it comes to fiscal issues.

i'm not sure what to expect. the first tea party here, i'm told, was peaceful and attended by well dressed, well behaved decent people who just want to keep some of their pay check.
i'm interested to see if we get loons this time. we may.
in any event, i can't imagine letting such scum preclude me from speaking
out.
it's my first amendment too.

307 albusteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:43:21pm

average nonkooks outnumber the kookites by a long shot....I see no reason to forego the rallies at this point...Paulians are vocal but they really have no power except that of minimal persuasion, same as the Pinkers and our beloved misfit Troofers...I seriously don't think they can over run and turn these events...they show up, so be it...America is full of all sorts of weirdos and wackos and I'm probably one of them....so far so good....don't panic...fuck the MSM and get some signage out there to that specific point too

308 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:43:37pm

re: #304 Occasional Reader

It's the Puffy Somalian Pirate Shirt. It'll be all the rage, you'll see.

But I don't wanna be a pirate!

309 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:43:41pm

re: #299 Occasional Reader

My wrists? Why, they're strong, tanned, and sinewy, of course. Why do you ask?

*swoon*

310 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:43:44pm

re: #268 Charles

It's not just Pat Buchanan at Townhall.com, either. They also publish columns by Paul Craig Roberts, who may be even worse than Buchanan, and several other extreme right paleocons.

I agree with you that Paul Craig Roberts is one of the most odious paleocons out there. A born-in-the-wool certified anti Semite. He makes Buchanan look like David Ben-Gurion! I did not realize that Townhall posts his columns.

PCR - not one of Reagan's better appointments.

311 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:43:51pm

OT--DAMN it is hard to write a recommendation letter for yourself.

I should have made ex-coworker do it herself.

312 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:43:56pm

re: #275 sattv4u2

how is wearing a t-shirt making fun of the label being a "victim"?

It wasn't a T-shirt. It was a banner which began "Hey Janet, I'm a (& etc.)". Again, in my opinion it's a response to the whole "report" brouhaha yesterday and in my opinion it gets the whole thing wrong (that ordinary right wingers are seen as a threat).

313 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:43:58pm

re: #277 astronmr20

If you think these cock-munchers in congress represent us now, you are sorely incorrect.

It is us who fail to hold them accountable.

314 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:44:02pm

re: #287 'Nam Grunt

True enough, but there has to be action to get folks to vote in said ballot box!

I have ordered 600 Semi-trucks full of 19 trillion teabags from under Charles ex-secret hide-out to be delivered to the White House..
When Obama sees them he'll fall to his knees and cry out to God.. 'What Have I done? Bush was right about taxes!'
/

315 Kragar  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:44:15pm

re: #308 MrSilverDragon

But I don't wanna be a pirate!

Then buy some eyeliner and go as Adam Ant

316 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:44:20pm

Tea Party Organizer.

317 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:44:24pm

re: #309 loppyd

I just sent you a reply email

318 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:44:33pm

re: #316 NYCHardhat

Tea Party Organizer.

forgot the sarc tag.

319 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:44:43pm

re: #308 MrSilverDragon

But I don't wanna be a pirate!

There was a fellow dressed as a pirate at the Charlotte NC rally today with a sign that says

"Conservative are not dangerous. Obama is the real pirate! Arrrr!"

320 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:44:46pm

re: #304 Occasional Reader

It's the Puffy Somalian Pirate Shirt. It'll be all the rage, you'll see.

Which ear does the hoop go in? I always forget.

321 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:45:52pm

re: #320 OldLineTexan

Which ear does the hoop go in? I always forget.

It doesn't matter. Just don't put the hankie in wrong pocket.

322 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:45:55pm

re: #283 Dustyvet

CNN Reporter Harassed at Chicago "Tea-Party"




That didn't take long for the media to spin as the "Prime Example" of the Tea Parties. The people at the protest didn't realize the reporter was playing them and only fed the image CNN wanted to protray.

323 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:45:57pm

re: #312 Bloodnok

It wasn't a T-shirt. It was a banner which began "Hey Janet, I'm a (& etc.)". Again, in my opinion it's a response to the whole "report" brouhaha yesterday and in my opinion it gets the whole thing wrong (that ordinary right wingers are seen as a threat).

Howie Carr is seeing if his t-shirt guy in Maine can have some t-shirts printed up.

Radical Right Wing Extremist.

Catch the fevah!

324 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:46:07pm

re: #320 OldLineTexan

Which ear does the hoop go in? I always forget.

Left.

325 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:46:30pm

re: #324 Honorary Yooper

Left.

Right.

326 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:46:51pm

re: #321 SanFranciscoZionist

It doesn't matter. Just don't put the hankie in wrong pocket.

I've been told that it should be in the left ear if straight, right ear if gay. Am I correct?

327 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:46:51pm

re: #315 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Then buy some eyeliner and go as Adam Ant

Just as long as I don't have to have Grace Jones hanging on my shoulder. She's scary!

328 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:46:57pm

re: #325 redc1c4

Right.

NOstril.

329 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:46:58pm

re: #70 Afrocity

Hello Lizards just wanted to say Happy Tea Party Day. Did my duty as an American and sent my $4,000 check to the IRS.

I have my own blog now so please stop bye.
Love you
Country First

Afrocity Blog

I dig your new blog. I just posted a comment on the TCU gay dorm thread - TCU announced on Monday that they're not going to open one after all.

330 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:47:11pm

re: #288 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I can't agree to that

Don't be difficult or I will hurt you.

/

331 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:47:16pm

re: #304 Occasional Reader

It's the Puffy Somalian Pirate Shirt. It'll be all the rage, you'll see.

Scratch another key board, and toweling the Coke off the cat...:)

332 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:47:31pm

re: #326 Honorary Yooper

I've been told that it should be in the left ear if straight, right ear if gay. Am I correct?

You're gay anyway.

333 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:47:36pm

re: #167 Charles

What I mean by it is on display right here in this thread. We've had two meltdowns today already, because I'm not willing to just shut up about what I see as a real problem.

Those people are showing up with Ron Paul t-shirts and signs because they feel welcome.

* * * *
Clearly, Code Pink always feels welcome at any event.

334 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:47:43pm

re: #289 KenJen

Our Louisville Tea party was organized by a 24-year-old waitress named Wendy. She's a Democrat.


She married?
Just kidding!

335 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:47:51pm

Dow +109.44
Nice.

336 albusteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:48:08pm

re: #335 Killgore Trout

Dow +109.44
Nice.

SURGE!

337 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:48:13pm

re: #325 redc1c4

Right.


You had a good home when left...Your right...sound off!

338 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:48:15pm

re: #268 Charles

It's not just Pat Buchanan at Townhall.com, either. They also publish columns by Paul Craig Roberts, who may be even worse than Buchanan, and several other extreme right paleocons.

Wow. They need to weed out all the kooks.

339 johnnyreb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:48:35pm

re: #332 Ben Hur

You're gay anyway.

Of course he is happy, isn't everyone today?

340 bour3  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:48:43pm

Denver Tea Party Flickr slideshow.

341 Daria Emmons  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:48:46pm

re: #217 Charles

To be completely honest, yes, I wish people would stay away, as long as the main organizer is someone like Eric Odom. I don't have the power to make that happen -- and I wouldn't even if I could -- but one HUGE reason why it's gotten to this point is because anyone who's tried to criticize the kooks has been smeared, insulted, and marginalized. The right-wing blogosphere is in deep denial.

"This movement is bad," "that movement is bad."

Charles, this country is in crisis, and you are criticizing the few organizations that are trying to make a difference. I cannot think of a single "conservative" movement for real change that you have supported in any way recently.

Respectfully, if you believe that Tea Parties are so awful, then why don't you start your own movement? Where are LGF rallies?

I am serious, because I have been reading and reading denunciations of movements trying to make a difference (i.e., negativity), and no POSITIVE offering of how lizards can ACTUALLY effect change.

What exactly do you propose lizards should do to make a difference, in a real, demonstrable, and concrete way?

342 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:48:47pm

re: #332 Ben Hur

You're gay anyway.

LOL!

/left is right, right is wrong

343 kywrite  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:49:03pm

re: #197 Ruthless

If only I had more updings!

344 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:49:03pm

re: #332 Ben Hur

You're gay anyway.

Was yoke.

345 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:49:16pm

re: #332 Ben Hur

You're gay anyway.

That's funny. I always thought I was a lesbian since I'm attracted to women.

346 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:49:22pm

re: #332 Ben Hur

You're gay anyway.

whereas i'm usually grumpy.

347 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:49:30pm

re: #226 Russkilitlover

What a bitch! She's supposed to be a reporter. She went there to yell her opinion at people and shut down their opinion with her interruptions. Liberal in action.

Yes, and not surprising. What she was dealing with there was incisive logic and she lost round one big time. She just should stick her finger in her ears and say "dippy dippy do" (Benny Hill) :-)

Funny how they don't seem to comprehend that taxation takes your liberty (and property). The obvious example is that %100 taxation makes on a total slave.

Then she went on about the "stimulus". Stimulus is stolen loot!

348 irish rose  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:49:31pm

Charles, have you been over to GOV today?
Baron is spinning a really rich LGF conspiracy theory.

349 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:49:36pm

re: #326 Honorary Yooper

I've been told that it should be in the left ear if straight, right ear if gay. Am I correct?

That's what I've heard, but I think the younger generation doesn't care as much--many of my high school students (boys) pierce both ears.

350 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:49:39pm

re: #337 Dustyvet

You had a good home when left...Your right...sound off!

a yellow bird......

351 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:49:42pm

re: #340 bour3

Denver Tea Party Flickr slideshow.

Can you post the direct link? TinyURL didn't like that one.

352 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:50:18pm

re: #338 Ward Cleaver

On the right, we have kooks: On the left, they have constituents.

353 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:50:32pm

re: #341 Daria Emmons

Buckle up.

354 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:50:45pm

re: #301 astronmr20

Yup. It's worse than the report itself.

Fucking.

Bitch.

I must be missing something. Is there something wrong with calling it an "extreme" position to reject the authority of the federal government? Are we supposed to be anarchists now?

355 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:50:59pm

re: #345 Honorary Yooper

That's funny. I always thought I was a lesbian since I'm attracted to women.

I can't remember the name of the standup comic that used to refer to himself as a "male lesbian" in his act. This was back in the '80s.

356 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:51:23pm

I've had both ears pierced twice on both sides, and pierced my own nose.

In my 20s.

And STILL voted Republican, boyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

357 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:51:37pm

Later.

358 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:51:49pm

re: #333 alegrias

* * * *
Clearly, Code Pink always feels welcome at any event.

Have Signs

Will Travel

359 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:51:49pm

OT from tea partys: the NYT sent another subscription letter to us, so back goes the postage paid envelope with all the trash i could fit into it.....

/it's the little things in life.

360 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:52:04pm

re: #345 Honorary Yooper

That's funny. I always thought I was a lesbian since I'm attracted to women.

I have a complicated theory, which boils down to the idea that we should categorize people by the simple standard of which gender they are attracted to, rather than the oddly complex one which takes into account both their own gender and that of their parter.

We are all either gal- or guysexual. Except for people who are omnisexual.

I think it solves many problems in modern society.

361 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:52:17pm

re: #356 Ben Hur

I've had both ears pierced twice on both sides, and pierced my own nose.

In my 20s.

And STILL voted Republican, boyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

That's because you avoided the Prince Albert.

/dunno what I'm talking about.

362 Aye Pod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:52:20pm

re: #348 irish rose

Charles, have you been over to GOV today?
Baron is spinning a really rich LGF conspiracy theory.

How did you get on with your malware problem last night?

363 Paul  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:52:22pm

I attended the tea party in Madison, Wisconsin (Berkeley east).
The crowd was estimated at 5-6,000. It was a beautiful Spring Day and everyone was happy and vocal, no anger or rage, and no Paulites or Code Pinkers evident.

I don't know why Charles has a problem with these demonstrations.

364 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:52:54pm

re: #354 Charles

I must be missing something. Is there something wrong with calling it an "extreme" position to reject the authority of the federal government? Are we supposed to be anarchists now?

Which brings us back to the 10th amendment

365 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:53:10pm

re: #344 Ben Hur

Was yoke.

That was "coldblooded" (or just "cold"), as we used to say back in HS.

366 irish rose  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:53:17pm

re: #362 Jimmah

How did you get on with your malware problem last night?

Finally got rid of it, thanks to the always helpful lizard army :).

367 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:53:17pm

re: #354 Charles

I must be missing something. Is there something wrong with calling it an "extreme" position to reject the authority of the federal government? Are we supposed to be anarchists now?

I think it's a mistake to apply the term "extreme", because extreme ideas are entirely allowed. What you need to go after are those who will use violence against the government and the citizens of America.

368 KenJen  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:53:22pm

re: #356 Ben Hur

I've had both ears pierced twice on both sides, and pierced my own nose.

In my 20s.

And STILL voted Republican, boyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!


Did the hole in your nose grow back?

369 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:53:23pm

Re: "Denouncing and keeping out the kooks"
How did that work out for the Dems?
Was there even a small attempt made at such?
I think their kooks won. One of them is even President.

370 albusteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:53:23pm

re: #356 Ben Hur

I've had both ears pierced twice on both sides, and pierced my own nose.

In my 20s.

And STILL voted Republican, boyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

I had my left ear pierced for a silver and tourquois earing in 1973, Nederland CO...my dad freaked

371 Right mind left  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:53:26pm

What can be DONE, outside the ballot box, since they could be jeopardized by a number of things, ACORN included?

I have a need to DO SOMETHING positive and constructive that is not considered "extreme" but that helps stop the "extreme" measures of this Administration.


re: #354 Charles

I must be missing something. Is there something wrong with calling it an "extreme" position to reject the authority of the federal government? Are we supposed to be anarchists now?

[Link: governor.state.tx.us...]
Wonder what Gov Rick Perry will create with his filing? Anyone know what this action will produce?

372 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:53:52pm

re: #325 redc1c4

Right.

Both, if they're big dangly ones. ;)

373 johnnyreb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:54:01pm

I am reminded of a comment recently on KOS I think it was, something about everyone on LGF being in lockstep with the master. Wow, just wow.

Charles even though I don't always agree with you, I have to give you credit for not banning and deleting about a gazillion comments and people on your blog.

374 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:54:02pm

re: #354 Charles

I must be missing something. Is there something wrong with calling it an "extreme" position to reject the authority of the federal government? Are we supposed to be anarchists now?

not to argue with the boss, but there certainly are times to dispute the federal government's actions, within the rules of civilized society of course, just as there are many times not to. i'm not sure the report made that distinction.

375 Aye Pod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:54:14pm

re: #366 irish rose

Finally got rid of it, thanks to the always helpful lizard army :).

Cool:)

376 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:54:32pm

re: #109 'Nam Grunt

It's not about our taxes today, it's about the Constitution, FREEDOM, and the future of America folks, WE all have to take a stand against what is happening to all of us.

its about how are taxes are being spent!

377 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:54:38pm

re: #368 KenJen

Did the hole in your nose grow back?

Yes.

But you can see that I've had my ears pierced.

378 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:54:42pm

re: #364 sattv4u2

Which brings us back to the 10th amendment

That the one about "Thou shall not steal?"...whoops sorry wrong 10th...:)

379 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:54:58pm

re: #368 KenJen

Did the hole in your nose grow back?

I've had two holes in my nose for as long as I can remember...

380 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:55:07pm

re: #354 Charles

re: #364 sattv4u2

Which brings us back to the 10th amendment

AND the way it reads is to lump those that want limited Fed Gov't in with " religious and racial hate groups "

381 Truck Monkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:55:22pm

re: #316 NYCHardhat

Tea Party Organizer.

I'd hit that.

382 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:55:22pm

re: #348 irish rose

Charles, have you been over to GOV today?
Baron is spinning a really rich LGF conspiracy theory.

Nah, I have better things to do than watch what those freaks think about me.

383 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:55:39pm

re: #379 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I've had two holes in my nose for as long as I can remember...

i've got a toad in my node.....

384 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:55:42pm

re: #378 Dustyvet

That the one about "Thou shall not steal?"...whoops sorry wrong 10th...:)

unless you're the IRS

385 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:55:49pm

re: #335 Killgore Trout

Dow +109.44
Nice.

Gee I guess Obama must be doing a great job.

386 calcajun  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:56:03pm

re: #273 BatGuano

And those who are late do not get fruit cup.

387 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:56:05pm

re: #185 NYCHardhat

OH SHIT! Today is tax day?

/

OR paid his taxes a year ago.

388 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:56:10pm

The Great and Mighty 0 has no idea these protests are happening?
Right.

Do I detect a little haughty contempt?

389 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:56:12pm

re: #381 Truck Monkey

I'd hit that.

someone already did: with the ugly stick.

390 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:56:12pm

re: #381 Truck Monkey

I'd hit that.

You again. LOL

391 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:56:48pm

re: #386 calcajun

And those who are late do not get fruit cup.

sure they do! i have some right over there------------------>

392 brookly red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:56:48pm

re: #367 Archimedes

I think it's a mistake to apply the term "extreme", because extreme ideas are entirely allowed. What you need to go after are those who will use violence against the government and the citizens of America.

Agreed. Personally I think the term extremist should only be used for those who would use violence.

393 calcajun  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:57:12pm

re: #379 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I've had two holes in my nose for as long as I can remember...

Now, you trying to deviate from the topic at hand--the sinus of our times.

394 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:57:12pm

re: #333 alegrias

* * * *
Clearly, Code Pink always feels welcome at any event.

Yes, now everyone that was at the event is a CodePinker by association.

Sucks to be them, IMO.

395 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:57:25pm

re: #285 sattv4u2

re: #275 sattv4u2


Did you see Naploitanos defense of the report today?

Rightwing extremism," the report defines in a footnote on Page 2, goes beyond religious and racial hate groups and extends to "those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely."

I am guessing that people who totally reject Federal Authority are not very fond of local authority either. It seems to me that the issue is authority.
What she is Missing & maybe willfuly is that people who support the 10th Amendment Are not anti givernment fanatics, they actuually agree with the Costitution.

396 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:57:26pm

Truck Monkey

397 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:57:29pm

re: #371 Right mind left

What can be DONE, outside the ballot box, since they could be jeopardized by a number of things, ACORN included?

I have a need to DO SOMETHING positive and constructive that is not considered "extreme" but that helps stop the "extreme" measures of this Administration.

[Link: governor.state.tx.us...]
Wonder what Gov Rick Perry will create with his filing? Anyone know what this action will produce?

Well, for one thing, a pissed-off Obama. He was already mad that Perry didn't want the unemployment money from the "stimulus".

398 albusteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:57:33pm

re: #374 redc1c4

not to argue with the boss, but there certainly are times to dispute the federal government's actions, within the rules of civilized society of course, just as there are many times not to. i'm not sure the report made that distinction.

I have spent my entire adult life at odds with the feds...they have busted me, jailed me and harassed me the whole time....taken my money away unfairly and lied to me....I have no use for the feds...I am not an anarchist just a pissed off fed up working stiff...

399 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:57:34pm

re: #388 Bobblehead

The Great and Mighty 0 has no idea these protests are happening?
Right.

Do I detect a little haughty contempt?

only a little: most of his contempt is the garden variety "obvious contempt"

400 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:57:46pm

re: #371 Right mind left

Wonder what Gov Rick Perry will create with his filing? Anyone know what this action will produce?


Probably not much. I's most likely just a publicity stunt. The conservatives have a thing for revolution and separatism these days so anti-government stuff is an instant hit. If he pushes this too far congress will just cut off funding to Texas and they'll get back in line.
I don't appreciate the effort on behalf of conservatives to stoke civil unrest and create a Constitutional crisis. We have a serious financial crisis and shit like this does not help.

401 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:58:11pm

OT - since I am a complete technical Klutz, can anyone tell me the best way to copy an iTunes library over from one computer to a new computer?

402 lurking faith  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:58:16pm

re: #261 JacksonTn

Russik ... just another example of CNN lapdogs for Obama ... she said "do you realize you are eligible for a $400 ... " ... big friggin deal ... that is why so many uninformed people voted for Obama ... they sold their souls for $400 ... fuck her and the people who voted him in ... I never watch that channel ever ... rarely even watch news at all now ...

I don't mind the $400 tax credit. I didn't mind the $600 rebate we got under Bush, either, back when the leftists sneered about it being too small to matter.

What angers me is their assumption that I won't notice that this time, it's a bait-and-switch: Look at the nice little tax credit over here (and never mind the giant tax hikes behind the curtain).

403 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:58:19pm

re: #368 KenJen

Did the hole in your nose grow back?

Which one?

/hee hee

404 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:58:34pm

re: #354 Charles

Charles, I reject federal authority in favor of state authority when the federal government exceeds the powers granted to it in the constitution. I just don't reject governmental authority entirely.

405 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:58:36pm

re: #363 Paul

I attended the tea party in Madison, Wisconsin (Berkeley east).
The crowd was estimated at 5-6,000. It was a beautiful Spring Day and everyone was happy and vocal, no anger or rage, and no Paulites or Code Pinkers evident.

I don't know why Charles has a problem with these demonstrations.

Same here in Okla. City. Same questions.

406 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:58:40pm

re: #385 Joel

Not, bad. TARP seems to have worked. The economy seems stabilized and is possibly recovering.

407 JacksonTn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:58:41pm

re: #398 albusteve

I have spent my entire adult life at odds with the feds...they have busted me, jailed me and harassed me the whole time....taken my money away unfairly and lied to me....I have no use for the feds...I am not an anarchist just a pissed off fed up working stiff...

albusteve ... call me if you need bailing out ... well, as long as the bond is not over $1,000,000 ... just offering ...

408 world b. free  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:58:49pm

Trashing the idea of tea parties because of the views of their "main organizer" is like not reciting the Pledge of Allegiance because you think our President is a disgrace. The ideas are bigger than any one man and judging by the reports in this thread so far, we're a far cry from having this one taken over by the lunatic fringe.

And anyway, the tea parties are prelude to something bigger.

409 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:58:54pm

re: #321 SanFranciscoZionist

It doesn't matter. Just don't put the hankie in wrong pocket.

And make sure the hook on your towtruck is facing out, not in. (Or is it the other way around?)

/obscure Simpsons reference

410 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:59:02pm

re: #398 albusteve

I have spent my entire adult life at odds with the feds...they have busted me, jailed me and harassed me the whole time....taken my money away unfairly and lied to me....I have no use for the feds...I am not an anarchist just a pissed off fed up working stiff...

busted and jailed usually indicates some sort of partial responsibility on your part for the event....

411 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:59:13pm

re: #401 Joel

OT - since I am a complete technical Klutz, can anyone tell me the best way to copy an iTunes library over from one computer to a new computer?

Xerox.

412 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:59:48pm

re: #368 KenJen

Did the hole in your nose grow back?

It's the hole in Ben's septum that's the real problem.

/

413 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 1:59:56pm

re: #401 Joel

OT - since I am a complete technical Klutz, can anyone tell me the best way to copy an iTunes library over from one computer to a new computer?

a couple of options
Use the Migration Assistant
Use the "make back up now" option
Burn a bunch of CDs (they recommend you do this anyway)

414 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:00:07pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Not, bad. TARP seems to have worked. The economy seems stabilized and is possibly recovering.

I agree. So what should be done now with the parts of the "stimulus package" that isn't due to be spent till later this year and beyond. IF we are recovering, we don;'t need that IMHO

415 albusteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:00:11pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Not, bad. TARP seems to have worked. The economy seems stabilized and is possibly recovering.

after dumping 7000 points in the market?.....hahaha....go TARP!

416 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:00:13pm

re: #401 Joel

OT - since I am a complete technical Klutz, can anyone tell me the best way to copy an iTunes library over from one computer to a new computer?

A good post on this:

[Link: www.askdavetaylor.com...]

417 J.S.  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:00:25pm

(btw, CNN is milking this like crazy -- CNN is also using that hideous "letter reader" to do a number on conservatives, including reading a "letter" supposedly written by some viewer which wants to see Limbaugh "in jail." That's CNN -- yet another media outlet with any number of ignorant blowhards without the faintest clue about "diversity of opinion" or for that matter The United States Constitution and the First Amendment.)

418 debutaunt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:00:26pm

re: #211 loppyd

The square jaw gets me every time.

Spongebob.

419 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:00:26pm

re: #401 Joel

OT - since I am a complete technical Klutz, can anyone tell me the best way to copy an iTunes library over from one computer to a new computer?

Floppies. Lots and lots of floppies.

/

420 KenJen  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:00:45pm

re: #392 brookly red

Agreed. Personally I think the term extremist should only be used for those who would use violence.

Would make a good T.V. show title. The Extremist on TNT. ..We know violence.

421 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:01:03pm

re: #354 Charles

I must be missing something. Is there something wrong with calling it an "extreme" position to reject the authority of the federal government? Are we supposed to be anarchists now?

Did you read the rest of that particular sentence in the DHS reply? They are equating extremism with people who support states' rights and "reject federal authority over state authority." The Federal government has overstepped it's bounds in so many ways we can't even begin to count.

422 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:01:16pm

re: #419 Ward Cleaver

Floppies. Lots and lots of floppies.

/

I don't see how a bunch of old ladies breasts will help!

423 brookly red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:01:28pm

re: #418 debutaunt

Spongebob.

that's not his jaw...

424 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:01:37pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Not, bad. TARP seems to have worked. The economy seems stabilized and is possibly recovering.

Not because of TARP.

425 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:01:42pm

re: #412 Occasional Reader

It's the hole in Ben's septum that's the real problem.

/

So that's where the whistling sound comes from?

426 Aye Pod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:01:45pm

I was wondering, are there any people here who think that the tea parties will actually result in the repeal of the earmarks and bailouts in the stimulus packages?

427 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:01:56pm

re: #354 Charles

I must be missing something. Is there something wrong with calling it an "extreme" position to reject the authority of the federal government? Are we supposed to be anarchists now?

In the context Rightwing extremism,
"the report defines in a footnote on Page 2, goes beyond religious and racial hate groups and extends to "those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely."

the former is the State's Rights groups. Some who have been around since the 70s when national speed limit was set at 55. The latter are groups similar to the Anarchists who hang out with WCW, Code Pink, etc. The Anarchists are not right wing. Extreme right wing is fascism. Which is basically the same as Extreme left wing Communism. State Rules all aspects of your live. Nobody can be an anarchist and communist/fascist by themselves.
There are differences between fascism and communism but for our purposes, both are effectively 'state rule'

428 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:01:59pm

re: #400 Killgore Trout

However, Killgore, the Constitutional crises we find ourselves in right now were sparked by the extension of federal power into what had traditionally been the states' realm. We may have invited it in over the years, but Obama's expansion appears to be a bridge too far for many. We'll have to see where this goes, and what happens, but there are a lot of people at the state level who are fuming over the way the Feds have run roughshod over the Tenth.

429 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:02:03pm

re: #422 sattv4u2

I don't see how a bunch of old ladies breasts will help!

Hey, they can't hurt.

/

430 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:02:12pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Not, bad. TARP seems to have worked. The economy seems stabilized and is possibly recovering.

That seems to me to be way too premature. Wait until the April unemployment figures comes out.

I did not care for his grand European "Apology tour".

431 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:02:12pm

re: #387 debutaunt

OR paid his taxes a year ago.

You mean we're supposed to pay our taxes every year? (gulp)

432 slterry40  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:02:18pm

I just drove by a tea party in downtown Tampa, and it looked great. People were holding signs (nothing over the top), and waving to cars going by. And it was nice seeing a protest with hundreds of US flags, none in danger of being burned. From what I can tell these events are fine, and if the participants feel better about being heard, than more power to them. I can tell you that I didn't sense any of the anger so common at liberal protests. I'm sure the media will spin these to be either insignificant or fueled by anger, by I just don't think that is the case.

433 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:02:28pm

re: #371 Right mind left

[Link: governor.state.tx.us...]
Wonder what Gov Rick Perry will create with his filing? Anyone know what this action will produce?

Absolutely nothing. It's a grandstand play by a cynical politician trying to jump on the tea party bandwagon.

Rick Perry cares so little about the children of his own state that he appointed a raving young earth creationist to head the Board of Education, twice.

434 KenJen  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:02:47pm

re: #403 Ward Cleaver

Which one?

/hee hee


Why do we have two holes in our noses? Why not one big one?

435 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:02:48pm

re: #354 Charles

I must be missing something. Is there something wrong with calling it an "extreme" position to reject the authority of the federal government? Are we supposed to be anarchists now?

* * * *
The government isn't always right, for example when it claimed eminent domain over some people's houses, to sell the land to developers! (Kelo Decision that went to the Supreme Court.)

That lady whose house was wrongly taken was right to protest in court. Government isn't always right, and there are many levels of government.

Sanctuary cities such as those in California refuse to enforce federal immigration laws, and everyone knows it!

436 Truck Monkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:02:59pm

re: #390 NYCHardhat

You again. LOL

I believe that it is not the quantity of what's posted, but the quality therein.

437 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:03:01pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Not, bad. TARP seems to have worked. The economy seems stabilized and is possibly recovering.

This is not a stabilization. This is a bear market rally. The markets have not even gotten close to bottom yet- give it another year.

438 Tanker J.D.  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:03:07pm

So what can we do? If we can't protest for fear that someone who we don't agree with completely might also show up, then we're powerless. We just sit back, vote next time and hope for a better result...

439 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:03:21pm

re: #419 Ward Cleaver

Floppies. Lots and lots of floppies.

/

Anything else besides floppies?

440 avspatti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:03:30pm

re: #176 Dave the.....

Local paper carried a short story online, pretty much prewritten. They used the word "angry" in the first sentence. Then the only quotes or signs listed where the kooks. You get 4,000 people. If 10 of them are wacko's, guess who gets quoted.....

True and not going to change. So, we can't let that stop us availing ourselves of our right to assemble etc.

441 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:03:37pm

re: #374 redc1c4

not to argue with the boss, but there certainly are times to dispute the federal government's actions, within the rules of civilized society of course, just as there are many times not to. i'm not sure the report made that distinction.

During the Bush Administration ., I kept hearing how protestors were bravelty 'Speaking truth to Power."
They had every right to petition their government via demonstrations.
These Tea Party people are not a bunch of fanatics because they are peacefuly protesting. If they criticize Obama, so what? He is a President ,not a Monarch by Divine Rule.

442 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:03:40pm

re: #426 Jimmah

I was wondering, are there any people here who think that the tea parties will actually result in the repeal of the earmarks and bailouts in the stimulus packages?

No, it's purely symbolic, but maybe it'll get people interested in the political process.

443 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:03:49pm

re: #386 calcajun

I love fruit cup!

444 albusteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:03:55pm

re: #410 redc1c4

busted and jailed usually indicates some sort of partial responsibility on your part for the event....

I sold a half oz bag of weed to a undercover snitch in 1968....a twenty year felony in MI....I spent almost two weeks in jail and nearly flunked 10th grade...that right there is where it started....smoking some reefer and doing a favor for a lying narc...it was all downhill to this very day

445 apachegunner  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:04:01pm

watching glenn beck at the alamo. ya know, seems like all the tea parties are coming off well. representation is the average nation. god am i glad someone is doing something, anything, to get the word to the top! I feel guilty sitting here and not adding my voice, although i did send a tea bag to the white house and included a label of one in my taxes. evening lizards raise hell!

446 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:04:01pm

re: #354 Charles

I must be missing something. Is there something wrong with calling it an "extreme" position to reject the authority of the federal government? Are we supposed to be anarchists now?

Of course that would be extreme but the sentence continues "...rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely."
This is the basis of federalism. The implied assumption that the Federal government is supreme runs counter to the Constitution and is what is extreme IMO.

447 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:04:04pm

re: #440 avspatti

True and not going to change. So, we can't let that stop us availing ourselves of our right to assemble etc.

Exactly.

448 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:04:10pm

re: #429 Ward Cleaver

Hey, they can't hurt.

/

Anyone remember that cool fundraising calender with the tasteful pictures of the nude older ladies from some town in England? My dad loved that.

449 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:04:32pm

re: #434 KenJen

Why do we have two holes in our noses? Why not one big one?

Because you have two hands, silly.

450 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:04:39pm

re: #416 Charles

Much thanks!

451 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:04:54pm

re: #356 Ben Hur

I've had both ears pierced twice on both sides, and pierced my own nose.

In my 20s.

And STILL voted Republican, boyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

* * * *
You're no Ben Hur, Ben Hur.

452 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:05:07pm

re: #446 LGoPs

Of course that would be extreme but the sentence continues "...rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely."
This is the basis of federalism. The implied assumption that the Federal government is supreme runs counter to the Constitution and is what is extreme IMO.

Extremist.

/LGF

453 albusteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:05:18pm

re: #407 JacksonTn

albusteve ... call me if you need bailing out ... well, as long as the bond is not over $1,000,000 ... just offering ...

that's kind of you....I'm cool at the moment altho I am at serious odds with the IRS...but they don't scare me no matter what you hear...

454 HippieforLife  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:05:33pm

re: #60 Jonn Lilyea

Boy, that Medea could sure use a paper mache duck head!

455 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:05:38pm

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Probably not much. I's most likely just a publicity stunt. The conservatives have a thing for revolution and separatism these days so anti-government stuff is an instant hit. If he pushes this too far congress will just cut off funding to Texas and they'll get back in line.
I don't appreciate the effort on behalf of conservatives to stoke civil unrest and create a Constitutional crisis. We have a serious financial crisis and shit like this does not help.


He is asserting the 10th amendment.

456 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:05:58pm

re: #451 alegrias

* * * *
You're no Ben Hur, Ben Hur.

Battle speed...whoops wrong venue...:)

457 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:06:06pm

The authority of the Federal Government is not supposed to supersede that of the States, except in cases of National Security issues, such as border security (EPIC FAIL) and interstate commerce (often misused).

The Stimulus bill had as one of its goals provisions to exercise Federal oversight on issues of state and local taxation, which is why some states are not taking it (Texas and Louisiana, maybe some others).

The Federal Government is supposed to the servant of the people, not its master.

458 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:06:14pm

Lunatic Fringe.

Youtube Video
459 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:06:19pm

re: #430 Joel

That seems to me to be way too premature. Wait until the April unemployment figures comes out.

I did not care for his grand European "Apology tour".

Even Morton Kondracke called it "pathetic".

460 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:06:27pm

OT--They got some brave-as-hell women in Afghanistan.

461 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:06:29pm

re: #356 Ben Hur

and pierced my own nose.

But you learned an important lesson about gun safety that day, didn't you?

462 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:06:35pm

re: #441 opnion

During the Bush Administration ., I kept hearing how protestors were bravelty 'Speaking truth to Power."

God I used to hate that term!

463 irish rose  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:06:40pm

Probably best, Charles... some guy over there named Holger thinks that you've sold out to the NWO. Apparently, the Illuminati made you do it.

Seriously.

464 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:06:45pm

re: #398 albusteve

I have spent my entire adult life at odds with the feds...they have busted me, jailed me and harassed me the whole time....taken my money away unfairly and lied to me....I have no use for the feds...I am not an anarchist just a pissed off fed up working stiff...

Surprisingly, I have spent none of my adult life at physical odds with the feds. No busting, no jailing, no harassing. They dont bother me. I'm not pissed at the feds. I like my postal carrier. I like my post office staff. The only time I ever called the BATF, I was treated nicely and the law regarding automatic weapons was explained (clinton years. btw full autos have been banned for sale in the US since at least 1939. - I dont remember the exact date.)

465 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:06:58pm

Glenn Beck just said the Democrats Suck and so do the Republicans
He is on fire in San Antonio
MSNBC just said tea parties are funded by Fox news and attended by whackos.

466 Tanker J.D.  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:06:58pm

The problem with the DHS report is that it paints with far too broad of a stroke. Rather than just indicting the McVeighs and the abortion clinic bombers of the world, it implies that decent, civil people that disagree with the liberal orthodoxy are McVeighs.

467 Right mind left  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:07:33pm

re: #433 Charles

Absolutely nothing. It's a grandstand play by a cynical politician trying to jump on the tea party bandwagon.

Rick Perry cares so little about the children of his own state that he appointed a raving young earth creationist to head the Board of Education, twice.

I was expecting that. I keep watching for some semblance of sanity, for someone to stand up with solutions - comprehensive solutions that we can get behind.

re: #438 Tanker J.D.

So what can we do? If we can't protest for fear that someone who we don't agree with completely might also show up, then we're powerless. We just sit back, vote next time and hope for a better result...

The best I can come up with is we can become extreme sheep.

Youtube Video

///

468 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:07:36pm

re: #459 Ward Cleaver

Even Morton Kondracke called it "pathetic".

Yes I saw that on the Bret Baier show the other day.
All sauce and no substance, just like one of John Edwards's speeches.

469 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:07:37pm

re: #363 Paul

I attended the tea party in Madison, Wisconsin (Berkeley east).
The crowd was estimated at 5-6,000. It was a beautiful Spring Day and everyone was happy and vocal, no anger or rage, and no Paulites or Code Pinkers evident.

I don't know why Charles has a problem with these demonstrations.

* * * *
Your Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) is a great up and coming GOP guy to support.

470 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:07:42pm

re: #454 HippieforLife

Boy, that Medea could sure use a paper mache duck head!

She's already a di-khead.

471 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:07:49pm

re: #465 Afrocity

Glenn Beck just said the Democrats Suck and so do the Republicans
He is on fire in San Antonio
MSNBC just said tea parties are funded by Fox news and attended by whackos.

Nice to see you, you've been missed around here...:(

472 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:07:54pm

re: #446 LGoPs

An obscure scribbler named Thomas Jefferson would probably agree with you.

473 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:08:23pm

re: #463 irish rose

Probably best, Charles... some guy over there named Holger thinks that you've sold out to the NWO. Apparently, the Illuminati made you do it.

Seriously.

Cocaine is a powahful drug.

/Rick James as quoted by Dave Chapelle

474 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:08:40pm

re: #465 Afrocity

Glenn Beck just said the Democrats Suck and so do the Republicans
He is on fire in San Antonio
MSNBC just said tea parties are funded by Fox news and attended by whackos.

Glenn Beck is no admirer of the Republican Party that's for shit sure.

475 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:09:06pm

re: #421 astronmr20

Did you read the rest of that particular sentence in the DHS reply? They are equating extremism with people who support states' rights and "reject federal authority over state authority." The Federal government has overstepped it's bounds in so many ways we can't even begin to count.

Makes me wonder, perhaps, if the present admin. and congress are doing their best to push the Constitution-loving Americans to extremes, just so they'll have an excuse to really bring the hammer down.

476 Aye Pod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:09:26pm

re: #442 Ward Cleaver

No, it's purely symbolic, but maybe it'll get people interested in the political process.

That's what I thought (despite the rhetoric coming out of some of the tea party speeches). Seems to me a lot of wackos see this as their moment to insinuate themselves into the conservative 'movement' before the economy recovers.

477 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:09:39pm

re: #465 Afrocity

I'm listening. I think he is saying, " aAplague on both your houses".

478 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:09:43pm

re: #465 Afrocity

Glenn Beck just said the Democrats Suck and so do the Republicans
He is on fire in San Antonio
MSNBC just said tea parties are funded by Fox news and attended by whackos.

Hey, just bookmarked your blog! I love the title - I use it almost everyday at work.

479 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:09:49pm

re: #475 Soona'

Makes me wonder, perhaps, if the present admin. and congress are doing their best to push the Constitution-loving Americans to extremes, just so they'll have an excuse to really bring the hammer down.

Makes you wonder? With the help of the MSM, they are already implementing that plan.

480 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:10:06pm

re: #463 irish rose

Apparently, the Illuminati made you do it.

What does pasta have to do with this?

/

481 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:10:07pm

re: #388 Bobblehead

The Great and Mighty 0 has no idea these protests are happening?
Right.

Do I detect a little haughty contempt?

* * * *
Funny! Obama was caught on video saying "Don't think we aren't keeping score, bro" to someone who disagreed with him or didn't vote for his stuff.

482 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:10:09pm

re: #475 Soona'

Makes me wonder, perhaps, if the present admin. and congress are doing their best to push the Constitution-loving Americans to extremes, just so they'll have an excuse to really bring the hammer down.

If they do that, they will discover in short order that The Hammer swings both ways.

483 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:10:12pm

re: #461 Occasional Reader

But you learned an important lesson about gun safety that day, didn't you?


I learned that if I smoke enough weed, drink enough vodka and blast Henry Rollins at just the right volume, I can do ANYTHING!

484 KenJen  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:10:15pm

re: #465 Afrocity

Glenn Beck just said the Democrats Suck and so do the Republicans
He is on fire in San Antonio
MSNBC just said tea parties are funded by Fox news and attended by whackos.

This morning GMA was implying that Fox News is behind the tea parties. Like the blog. Nice layout.

485 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:10:16pm

re: #436 Truck Monkey

I believe that it is not the quantity of what's posted, but the quality therein.

see 396

486 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:10:17pm

re: #465 Afrocity

Glenn Beck just said the Democrats Suck and so do the Republicans
He is on fire in San Antonio
MSNBC just said tea parties are funded by Fox news and attended by whackos.

So I guess he didn't invite Michael Steele to the party?

487 Aye Pod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:10:19pm

re: #465 Afrocity

Glenn Beck is a whacko.

488 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:10:29pm

Ted Nugent at the Alamo Tea Party

489 Fluffy Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:10:33pm

re: #278 HoosierHoops

I agree with you but we tried that and it failed. Now what?

490 Hawaii69  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:10:33pm

This is known as a "turnabout".

It's fair play, so I hear.

491 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:10:44pm

re: #477 BatGuano

I'm listening. I think he is saying, " A plague on both your houses".

/He's advocating bio-warfare terrorism! Take him out!"

/Obama's DHS

492 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:10:56pm

re: #462 Joel

God I used to hate that term!

The problem with 'speaking truth to power' as a phrase, is that the people who use it never seem to think they're the ones with power.

If you've worked for a few moonbats, which I have, you start to realize the problem.

493 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:11:06pm

re: #480 Occasional Reader

What does pasta have to do with this?

/

I thought he was talking about a car?

/

494 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:11:12pm

re: #465 Afrocity

Glenn Beck... is on fire in San Antonio

Beck is on fire everywhere. If by "on fire", we mean "nuts".

495 ladycatnip  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:11:16pm

#441 opnion

During the Bush Administration ., I kept hearing how protestors were bravely 'Speaking truth to Power."
They had every right to petition their government via demonstrations.
These Tea Party people are not a bunch of fanatics because they are peacefuly protesting. If they criticize Obama, so what? He is a President ,not a Monarch by Divine Rule.

Thank you! Well said. Whenever the libs demonstrate, block freeway offramps or hold up traffic in the streets (I'm in L.A. - I remember that last Hispanic protest when whole city blocks were shut down) - that apparently is speaking the 'truth to power'. When fed up taxpayers do it peacefully there is a veiled threat to our freedoms.

Of course the media is going to spin this and only report on the few weirdos out there, then flog that to death.

496 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:11:41pm

re: #488 sattv4u2

Ted Nugent at the Alamo Tea Party

Uh oh.

497 johnnyreb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:11:50pm

re: #464 Eowyn2

Surprisingly, I have spent none of my adult life at physical odds with the feds. No busting, no jailing, no harassing. They dont bother me. I'm not pissed at the feds. I like my postal carrier. I like my post office staff. The only time I ever called the BATF, I was treated nicely and the law regarding automatic weapons was explained (clinton years. btw full autos have been banned for sale in the US since at least 1939. - I dont remember the exact date.)

Uh depending upon which state you live in, you can still buy full auto weapons. I suggest New Hampshire. The gun stores there are chock full of them. But you need at least $5,000 to even look.

498 albusteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:12:05pm

re: #494 Occasional Reader

Beck is on fire everywhere. If by "on fire", we mean "nuts".

he's a wild eye'd whore...he sold out

499 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:12:17pm

re: #434 KenJen

Why do we have two holes in our noses? Why not one big one?

Because our fingers aren't big enough to fit snugly inside.

500 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:12:18pm

re: #494 Occasional Reader

Beck is on fire everywhere. If by "on fire", we mean "nuts".

His brain is on fire.

501 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:12:19pm

re: #462 Joel

God I used to hate that term!

It is particularly annoying when Hollywood types like Clooney use it.
Unless you think that you might get a midnight knock on the door it doesn't take much to 'Speak Truth to Power."

502 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:12:33pm

re: #471 Dustyvet

Nice to see you, you've been missed around here...:(

Thanks Dusty I missed you. I missed all of you.
I took some advice and started my own blog. now I know what it is liek to get hate mail, as I have been called a sellout nazi via gmail 4 times now.
But I would not have had the courage to do the blog with out the help of lizards that I met here.
You guys made me confident in myself again and proud to say that I am a conservative. I will never hide who I am again.

[Link: afrocityblog.wordpress.com...]

503 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:12:36pm

re: #463 irish rose

Probably best, Charles... some guy over there named Holger thinks that you've sold out to the NWO. Apparently, the Illuminati made you do it.

Seriously.

That's just nuts. Everyone knows Charles controls the Illuminati and is preparing the NWO from his nitogen filled chamber deep beneath Denver International Airport.

/Remember the Terrible Secret of LFG.

504 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:12:45pm

Tea Parties are the new Sarah Palin.

505 irish rose  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:13:11pm

... the mere name of Charles Johnson brings all the freakazoids to the yard.

506 Truck Monkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:13:12pm

re: #485 NYCHardhat

see 396

Thank You. Can't get enough of Brittney.

507 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:13:50pm

I don't remember tha MSM (and others) freaking about Beck when he was on CNN.

Me?

I don't watch him.

I'm at work.

508 Wendya  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:13:54pm

re: #272 Right mind left

I think we can all agree that there are many things wrong with the picture today.

Regular people are fed up and feeling powerless, thus attending these over-manipulated tea parties, that I think many will agree won't accomplish any intended goals, except to provide fodder for mockery.

100 people showed up in my little town. More people than showed up for any of the Obama campaign rallies or anti-war protests. My town went 85% for Obama yet a quarter of our protesters were democrats. It wasn't a manipulated event, we had no media or party sponsorship. To say that the people attending are just sheep being manipulated by foxnews or politicians is insulting to those of us who took time out of our work day to attend.

509 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:14:04pm

re: #504 Ben Hur

Tea Parties are the new Sarah Palin.

Sarah Palin and tea bags. hmmmm.

510 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:14:08pm

re: #465 Afrocity

Glenn Beck just said the Democrats Suck and so do the Republicans

He's correct in general. Especially if he's specifically referring to those inside the Beltway.

He is on fire in San Antonio

He really did it this time? //


MSNBC just said tea parties are funded by Fox news and attended by whackos.

"No on one, yes on two" - Buckaroo Banzai

511 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:14:09pm

Ron Paulian in blue dress shirt railing at the Fed on Fox News...

512 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:14:23pm

re: #505 irish rose

... the mere name of Charles Johnson brings all the freakazoids to the yard.

And my milkshake.

513 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:14:28pm

re: #492 SanFranciscoZionist

The problem with 'speaking truth to power' as a phrase, is that the people who use it never seem to think they're the ones with power.

If you've worked for a few moonbats, which I have, you start to realize the problem.

I first heard that term back in the late 1980's. It made no sense back then either.

514 Dustyvet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:14:37pm

re: #495 ladycatnip

#441 opnion

Thank you! Well said. Whenever the libs demonstrate, block freeway offramps or hold up traffic in the streets (I'm in L.A. - I remember that last Hispanic protest when whole city blocks were shut down) - that apparently is speaking the 'truth to power'. When fed up taxpayers do it peacefully there is a veiled threat to our freedoms.

Of course the media is going to spin this and only report on the few weirdos out there, then flog that to death.

The Floggings Will Continue Until Morale Improves

515 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:14:46pm

re: #481 alegrias

* * * *
Funny! Obama was caught on video saying "Don't think we aren't keeping score, bro" to someone who disagreed with him or didn't vote for his stuff.

Oh, he knows exactly what's going on. Well voters can keep score too vote

516 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:15:02pm

re: #466 Tanker J.D.

The problem with the DHS report is that it paints with far too broad of a stroke. Rather than just indicting the McVeighs and the abortion clinic bombers of the world, it implies that decent, civil people that disagree with the liberal orthodoxy are McVeighs.

I know that's the talking point, but I read the whole report and I simply did not see that attitude at all.

517 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:15:14pm

re: #509 NYCHardhat

Eeeeeasy, boy.

518 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:15:33pm

re: #515 Bobblehead

Oh, he knows exactly what's going on. Well voters can keep score too vote

PIMF

519 irish rose  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:15:33pm

Charles, you've had a hell of a week and it's only Wednesday.

Just want ya to know that I'm raising a toast to ya at the pub tonight... hope your birthday was a good one, in spite of all the idiocy.

520 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:15:37pm

re: #487 Jimmah

Glenn Beck is a whacko.

No, he's more of an attention whore, not unlike many of his ilk such as Al Gore, James Hansen, Bill O'Reily, Keith Overman, Sean Hannity, etc.

521 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:15:40pm

re: #508 Wendya

100 people showed up in my little town. More people than showed up for any of the Obama campaign rallies or anti-war protests. My town went 85% for Obama yet a quarter of our protesters were democrats. It wasn't a manipulated event, we had no media or party sponsorship. To say that the people attending are just sheep being manipulated by foxnews or politicians is insulting to those of us who took time out of our work day to attend.

You must live in a German settled colony in Argentina, no?

522 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:15:42pm

re: #497 johnnyreb

Uh depending upon which state you live in, you can still buy full auto weapons. I suggest New Hampshire. The gun stores there are chock full of them. But you need at least $5,000 to even look.

And you have to get a Federal Class III license, in any case.

523 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:15:47pm

re: #509 NYCHardhat

Sarah Palin and tea bags. hmmmm.

Wrong. Funny, but wrong.

524 Fluffy Bunny  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:16:00pm

re: #502 Afrocity

Congratulations! The blog looks great...you go girl! : D

Nice to see you, you have been missed.

525 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:16:08pm

re: #520 Honorary Yooper

No, he's more of an attention whore, not unlike many of his ilk such as Al Gore, James Hansen, Bill O'Reily, Keith Overman, Sean Hannity, etc.

Throw in Keith Olbermann.

526 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:16:19pm

Huh, guys there is a difference between objecting to Government policies, laws, actions, etc and rejecting the authority of Government. If the said Government has over stepped its boundaries than bring the subject up with your Senators and Representatives with documentation, references, and intelligent argument with a polite manner. Only opt for litigation as a last resort and avoid silly, messy protests. Especially if the protests are going to draw the wrong crowd and kill your message of redress to the government and ultimately the American Citizenry. Remember that your message made public can be co-opted by so-called political allies that may damage the public view or spliced by the opposition to fit the narrative. So be ready to rumble figuratively speaking about staying on message and any creative editing by so-called "Allies" and detractors.

527 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:16:30pm

re: #523 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Wrong. Funny, but wrong.

Oh c'mon! I think she is fabulous.

528 albusteve  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:16:52pm

re: #515 Bobblehead

Oh, he knows exactly what's going on. Well voters can keep score too vote

of course he knows what's going on...he's lying through his teeth to claim otherwise....he is probably near a stroke by now

529 Joel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:16:57pm

oop[s. I missed your reference to Olbermann.

530 Truck Monkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:17:14pm

re: #505 irish rose

... the mere name of Charles Johnson brings all the freakazoids to the yard.

I thought it was his Milkshake.

Youtube Video
531 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:17:22pm

re: #339 johnnyreb

Of course he is happy, isn't everyone today?

Tax day is always fabulous!

532 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:17:38pm

re: #527 NYCHardhat

Oh c'mon! I think she is fabulous.

She's a FVPCILF, to be sure.

533 Aye Pod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:17:38pm

re: #504 Ben Hur

Tea Parties are the new Sarah Palin.

Precisely. That's why they're bad news for the GOP.

534 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:17:39pm

re: #521 Ben Hur

You must live in a German settled colony in Argentina, no?

Ve arrr zimple vatchmakersss und voodcarfersss. Ve haff no inderest in politiks. Zat vas not us, anyvay. Ve vere somevere elssss at ze time.

/

535 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:17:42pm
536 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:17:53pm

re: #525 Joel

Throw in Keith Olbermann.

I did, I misspelled his name as Overman.

537 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:17:54pm

re: #495 ladycatnip

#441 opnion


Thank you! Well said. Whenever the libs demonstrate, block freeway offramps or hold up traffic in the streets (I'm in L.A. - I remember that last Hispanic protest when whole city blocks were shut down) - that apparently is speaking the 'truth to power'. When fed up taxpayers do it peacefully there is a veiled threat to our freedoms.

Of course the media is going to spin this and only report on the few weirdos out there, then flog that to death.

I saw these tea party people in Chicago today. They strike me as every day, decent people who have noticed that we are headed to financial ruin.
When the Alien Amnesty marches took place, I saw theatening signs & heard threatening rhetoric & no MSM coverage of it.
These people peacefuly assemble & my God you would swear that the Hitler youth was in a rampage.

538 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:18:04pm

re: #521 Ben Hur

You must live in a German settled colony in Argentina, no?

The perfect combination. German sense of humor, plus Argentine humility.

539 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:18:55pm

re: #536 Honorary Yooper

I thought it was ubermensch.

540 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:19:16pm

re: #538 Occasional Reader

The perfect combination. German sense of humor, plus Argentine humility.

Also big blue eyes and huge tracts of land.

/Benny Hill

541 KenJen  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:19:19pm

re: #509 NYCHardhat

Sarah Palin and tea bags. hmmmm.

Where's Mandy when you need her?

542 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:19:46pm

re: #335 Killgore Trout

Dow +109.44
Nice.

I'm surprised Intel didn't do well. Although their quarter was historically dismal, they beat estimates by a factor of almost four times.

543 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:19:56pm

re: #541 KenJen

Where's Mandy when you need her?

trust me, I'd whack myself too.

544 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:20:17pm

re: #538 Occasional Reader

The perfect combination. German sense of humor, plus Argentine humility.

Like the little Indian boy with the blue eyes.

(name it!)

545 fsjonesy  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:20:25pm

re: #511 alegrias

Ron Paulian in blue dress shirt railing at the Fed on Fox News...

At least one was to be expected... They follow media attention like moths to a flame.

546 Truck Monkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:20:29pm

re: #543 NYCHardhat

trust me, I'd whack myself too.

TMI

547 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:20:50pm

re: #546 Truck Monkey

TMI

Waaaaay TMI!

548 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:21:00pm

re: #502 Afrocity

Good looking blog, good for you.

549 Right mind left  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:21:01pm

re: #508 Wendya

100 people showed up in my little town. More people than showed up for any of the Obama campaign rallies or anti-war protests. My town went 85% for Obama yet a quarter of our protesters were democrats. It wasn't a manipulated event, we had no media or party sponsorship. To say that the people attending are just sheep being manipulated by foxnews or politicians is insulting to those of us who took time out of our work day to attend.

I agree, but that is what the MSM is saying and that is what Congress will be hearing and thus it will be frustratingly pointless and fodder for mockery. I want to know what we all can actually DO that would stop the madness and fix the problems, aside from waiting and voting in the next couple, few years.

AHHH, here we go...EXCELLENT ideas.

re: #526 Idle Drifter

Huh, guys there is a difference between objecting to Government policies, laws, actions, etc and rejecting the authority of Government. If the said Government has over stepped its boundaries than bring the subject up with your Senators and Representatives with documentation, references, and intelligent argument with a polite manner. Only opt for litigation as a last resort and avoid silly, messy protests. Especially if the protests are going to draw the wrong crowd and kill your message of redress to the government and ultimately the American Citizenry. Remember that your message made public can be co-opted by so-called political allies that may damage the public view or spliced by the opposition to fit the narrative. So be ready to rumble figuratively speaking about staying on message and any creative editing by so-called "Allies" and detractors.

Lets get some good writers who know the law to bring samples we can use? Is this a good IDEA? Will this get us anywhere? Anyone? IDEAS?

550 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:21:06pm

re: #502 Afrocity

Thanks Dusty I missed you. I missed all of you.
I took some advice and started my own blog. now I know what it is liek to get hate mail, as I have been called a sellout nazi via gmail 4 times now.
But I would not have had the courage to do the blog with out the help of lizards that I met here.
You guys made me confident in myself again and proud to say that I am a conservative. I will never hide who I am again.

[Link: afrocityblog.wordpress.com...]


Welcome back! Now, who would call a lovely person such as yourself nasty names? Send them here. We'll take care of them!

551 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:21:17pm

re: #465 Afrocity

Glenn Beck just said the Democrats Suck and so do the Republicans
He is on fire in San Antonio
MSNBC just said tea parties are funded by Fox news and attended by whackos.

The Murdoch Stimulus Package:)

552 brookly red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:21:26pm

re: #543 NYCHardhat

trust me, I'd whack myself too.

TMI

553 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:21:37pm

re: #543 NYCHardhat

trust me, I'd whack myself too.

Exclusively.

554 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:21:39pm

re: #545 fsjonesy

At least one was to be expected... They follow media attention like moths to a flame.

Why did that give me a vision of a giant "bug zapper" attracting Paulians and zapping them.
Not that such a thing should be made, but I find the image humorous.

555 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:22:26pm

re: #536 Honorary Yooper

I did, I misspelled his name as Overman.

I like Rush's name for him, Olberdork. :~D

Actually, I used to listen to the Dan Patrick radio show, ESPN radio, which was great when they had Rob Dibble as a side kick, but then he was replaced with Olberman. Terrible move. Olberman is extremely left wing political even on sports radio!

556 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:22:39pm

re: #544 Ben Hur

Like the little Indian boy with the blue eyes.

(name it!)

The Boys From Adriana Lima-Land

Easy one.

557 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:23:54pm

re: #556 Occasional Reader

The Boys From Adriana Lima-Land

Easy one.

Yes. It was.

558 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:24:05pm

re: #465 Afrocity
Ha!
Checked out your blog....Right On!
Will show it to Mrs. Loader tonight!

559 johnnyreb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:24:06pm

re: #540 OldLineTexan

Also big blue eyes and huge tracts of land.

/Benny Hill

I thought that was Monty Python?

560 rcslaw  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:24:08pm

Charles...I believe you have missed the point of the Tea Parties. People of all persuasions are outraged at what our government is spending and they are voicing that outrage. I am a Ronald Reagan conservative and I understand what it happening today.

Maybe you should take a second look at this.

561 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:24:35pm

re: #486 Ward Cleaver

So I guess he didn't invite Michael Steele to the party?

* * * *
Republican National Committee head Michael Steele is busy raising money for Republican candidates, and yesterday sent an email requesting folks send money to send electronic tea bags (!?) to someone.

562 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:24:40pm

re: #556 Occasional Reader

The Boys From Adriana Lima-Land

Easy one.

Lima-land ... Have You Bean Lately?

Lima-land ... Not for the Peru-dish

Lima ... No, Not Those Weird Monkey-Looking Things With Creepy Big Eyes

563 tompaineftw  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:24:44pm

All politicians have some degree of contempt for free society, which is why they become politicians in the first place. The current congress/administration however, is way off the chart. This is partly reflected by their reckless spending. The tax day protests are good start to putting congress in check.

564 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:24:53pm

re: #526 Idle Drifter

Huh, guys there is a difference between objecting to Government policies, laws, actions, etc and rejecting the authority of Government. If the said Government has over stepped its boundaries than bring the subject up with your Senators and Representatives with documentation, references, and intelligent argument with a polite manner. Only opt for litigation as a last resort and avoid silly, messy protests. Especially if the protests are going to draw the wrong crowd and kill your message of redress to the government and ultimately the American Citizenry. Remember that your message made public can be co-opted by so-called political allies that may damage the public view or spliced by the opposition to fit the narrative. So be ready to rumble figuratively speaking about staying on message and any creative editing by so-called "Allies" and detractors.

You've spoken like someone who expects everyone else to solve the problelm for you. Maybe I should ask. Is the zero a problem for you? Do you agree with his policies? Do you have the seed money to start legal action?

565 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:25:13pm

re: #559 johnnyreb

I thought that was Monty Python?

That's my answer and I'm sticking to it. ;)

566 Kobe  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:25:16pm

I was at Sarasota Party - I'd say 500 people and I didn't see any of the "kooks'" that Charles keeps referring to.

Perhaps Charles you are just to aristocratic for us Folks..... You should be ashamed of yourself.

Errol Phillips

567 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:25:28pm

Watching for news tea party coverage. The Guy is talking about prayer in schools being the root of the problem.

568 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:25:31pm

re: #502 Afrocity

Thanks Dusty I missed you. I missed all of you.
I took some advice and started my own blog. now I know what it is liek to get hate mail, as I have been called a sellout nazi via gmail 4 times now.
But I would not have had the courage to do the blog with out the help of lizards that I met here.
You guys made me confident in myself again and proud to say that I am a conservative. I will never hide who I am again.

[Link: afrocityblog.wordpress.com...]

Irritable Obama Syndrome.

I love it.

569 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:25:43pm

re: #373 johnnyreb

I am reminded of a comment recently on KOS I think it was, something about everyone on LGF being in lockstep with the master. Wow, just wow.

Charles even though I don't always agree with you, I have to give you credit for not banning and deleting about a gazillion comments and people on your blog.

"Mad blog rabble, never satisified," is really more accurate.

570 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:25:45pm

re: #546 Truck Monkey

re: #547 Ward Cleaver

re: #552 brookly red

Oh c'mon. that was funny.

571 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:25:52pm

re: #560 rcslaw

Charles...I believe you have missed the point of the Tea Parties. People of all persuasions are outraged at what our government is spending and they are voicing that outrage. I am a Ronald Reagan conservative and I understand what it happening today.

Maybe you should take a second look at this.

I think most of us would agree with that. I see it as them spending "my wealth", i.e. stealing the fruits of my labors.

572 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:25:56pm

re: #562 OldLineTexan

Lima-land ... Have You Bean Lately?

Lima-land ... Not for the Peru-dish

Lima ... No, Not Those Weird Monkey-Looking Things With Creepy Big Eyes

If I had a nickel for everytime I head that in High School...

573 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:26:00pm

re: #566 Kobe

Fuck off, nutso.

574 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:26:24pm

No matter how you feel about these tea parties we have to be happy that someone is speaking out against government interference in our lives.
We can have a grassroots movement just like the Obamabots.
Hopefully this wave will carry through until 2010 and we can get some of these bozo democrats out of office. Glenn is at the Alamo with Ted Nuggent and great music, the people are fired up.

575 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:26:30pm

re: #533 Jimmah

Precisely. That's why they're bad news for the GOP.

Sounds like you've either got an asshole or an opinion.

576 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:26:36pm

re: #504 Ben Hur

Tea Parties are the new Sarah Palin.

* * * *
That is profound.

Let sophisticates sneer.

577 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:26:36pm

re: #567 Killgore Trout

Watching for news tea party coverage. The Guy is talking about prayer in schools being the root of the problem.

As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in schools.

/

578 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:26:45pm

re: #560 rcslaw

What took you seven months to post a comment? Just curious.

579 Truck Monkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:26:54pm

re: #566 Kobe

Looks like Kobe has a Beef.

580 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:27:05pm

re: #573 Killgore Trout

Fuck off, nutso.

Slow down!

581 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:27:23pm

re: #513 Joel

I first heard that term back in the late 1980's. It made no sense back then either.

It makes sense, just the words, it just isn't applied sensibly. It also carries an unfortunate baggage of "Not only will I use my first amendment rights, but I will act as though that is a rilly, rilly brave and risky thing for me to do."

Now those ladies in Afghanistan, they are speaking truth to power. God be with them.

582 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:27:43pm

re: #566 Kobe

I was at Sarasota Party - I'd say 500 people and I didn't see any of the "kooks'" that Charles keeps referring to.

Perhaps Charles you are just to aristocratic for us Folks..... You should be ashamed of yourself.

Errol Phillips

Do you walk into neighbor's homes and insult them? You are truly fucked.

583 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:27:48pm

re: #566 Kobe

Rude.

584 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:27:55pm

Tea party guy says pray, repent and it will get better.

585 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:28:03pm

re: #573 Killgore Trout

Fuck off, nutso.

You've co-opted on of Mandy's standard retorts. I'm gonna tattle on you. LOL

586 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:28:23pm

re: #567 Killgore Trout

Watching for news tea party coverage. The Guy is talking about prayer in schools being the root of the problem.

For some reason, that doesn't seem right. It does not explain the Democrats at the rallies, and there a fair number of fiscal conservatives who either don't care about prayer in schools, or don't want prayer in schools.

587 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:28:48pm

re: #566 Kobe

1st sentence,,,,,, LUCID
2nd sentence,,,,,,NOT SO MUCH

588 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:29:09pm

re: #564 Soona'

You've spoken like someone who expects everyone else to solve the problelm for you. Maybe I should ask. Is the zero a problem for you? Do you agree with his policies? Do you have the seed money to start legal action?

That's what I think. I admire what these people are doing. They believe in this & are willing to take a day off & travel to participate.
They are acting like enfranchised American citizens.
If they go wilding, breaking windows & assaulting the police, then by all means they should be bashed. Umm, not gonna happen.

589 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:29:16pm

I am pleased that the tea party concept bore fruit in large crowds today.

I understand your concern, Charles, but I think that as much as extreme elements can taint a cause, it is important to focus on the taint rather than the cause itself. Sure, the looney types and excreble Paulians can co-opt things, but I think this was more of a one-day symbolic protest, where the makeup of the crowds is not really important.

It's the distributed network organization by intelligent, focused people, using in large part the Internet, that will get something done. In other words - community organizers! The pain!

At any rate, a more complex, goal-oriented set of objectives will attract intelligent, goal-oriented people, and we need to do that if anything substantive is to happen.

590 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:29:26pm

We are about to find out what happens when The Rich refuse to be eaten, methinks.

591 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:29:41pm

re: #584 Killgore Trout

Tea party guy says pray, repent and it will get better.


who/where?

592 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:29:48pm

I saw Americans living with different levels of understanding, but united in the one cause of smaller, more responsible government. Ambivalence was absent.

593 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:30:06pm

re: #579 Truck Monkey

Looks like Kobe has a Beef.

About Chuck.

/sorry

594 irish rose  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:30:23pm

I'm off to the pub with accordion in hand, play nice folks :).

595 Ben Hur  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:30:40pm

Going to go now.

Re: Tea Parties:

So far those here against have gotten all their info from the MSM.

Those who went, seem to tell another story.

I guess I should've gone to one to see for myself.

596 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:30:48pm

re: #589 Catttt

I am pleased that the tea party concept bore fruit in large crowds today.

I understand your concern, Charles, but I think that as much as extreme elements can taint a cause, it is important to focus on the taint rather than the cause itself. Sure, the looney types and excreble Paulians can co-opt things, but I think this was more of a one-day symbolic protest, where the makeup of the crowds is not really important.

It's the distributed network organization by intelligent, focused people, using in large part the Internet, that will get something done. In other words - community organizers! The pain!

At any rate, a more complex, goal-oriented set of objectives will attract intelligent, goal-oriented people, and we need to do that if anything substantive is to happen.

My hope is that this is only the beginning.

597 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:30:51pm

OMG Ted Nuggent is playing National Anthem and it sounds just like Jimi Hendrix did when he played it at Woodstock in 1968!

598 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:30:56pm

re: #566 Kobe

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Errol Phillips

I'm not.

599 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:31:01pm

re: #594 irish rose

I'm off to the pub with accordion in hand, play nice folks :).

Have fun..Regards!

600 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:31:18pm

re: #584 Killgore Trout

Tea party guy says pray, repent and it will get better.

Okay, but what do you mean by "the" Tea party guy?

601 fsjonesy  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:31:29pm

Sweaty Teddy sure can play a guitar.

602 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:31:31pm

re: #584 Killgore Trout

Tea party guy says pray, repent and it will get better.

Well, that settles it. Everyone that went to one of these events is a religious nutcase unless they rush the stage and beat the crap out of this guy for daring to speak. It's the only way we can uphold the Constitution, by rigorously controlling free speech in public.

/right?

603 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:31:55pm

re: #591 sattv4u2

Gregg Garrison speaking at Indianapolis Tea party. Watching for for the 1st time in about a year.

604 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:31:58pm

re: #586 Honorary Yooper

For some reason, that doesn't seem right. It does not explain the Democrats at the rallies, and there a fair number of fiscal conservatives who either don't care about prayer in schools, or don't want prayer in schools.

The guy is WRONG, but he will be used to paint the desired picture.

605 cagney  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:32:10pm

when did the Lizard Longue get suspended?

606 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:32:14pm

re: #427 Eowyn2

In the context Rightwing extremism,
"the report defines in a footnote on Page 2, goes beyond religious and racial hate groups and extends to "those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely."

the former is the State's Rights groups. Some who have been around since the 70s when national speed limit was set at 55. The latter are groups similar to the Anarchists who hang out with WCW, Code Pink, etc. The Anarchists are not right wing. Extreme right wing is fascism. Which is basically the same as Extreme left wing Communism. State Rules all aspects of your live. Nobody can be an anarchist and communist/fascist by themselves.
There are differences between fascism and communism but for our purposes, both are effectively 'state rule'

If extreme right and extreme left are the same on your axis, maybe you are measuring the wrong thing.

607 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:32:24pm

re: #579 Truck Monkey

Looks like Kobe has a Beef.

And he flipped the bird to Charles.
But he'll end up eagling crow.

608 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:32:29pm

re: #566 Kobe

You should be ashamed of yourself, Errol Phillips

FTFY

609 KenJen  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:32:29pm

re: #561 alegrias

* * * *
Republican National Committee head Michael Steele is busy raising money for Republican candidates, and yesterday sent an email requesting folks send money to send electronic tea bags (!?) to someone.

Money to send electronic tea bags? What little confidence I had in Steele is fading fast.

610 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:32:29pm

That's four meltdowns already, because I dared to criticize the tea parties.

611 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:32:34pm

re: #600 Occasional Reader

Okay, but what do you mean by "the" Tea party guy?

my #591 question!

612 Wendya  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:32:43pm

re: #549 Right mind left

Lets get some good writers who know the law to bring samples we can use? Is this a good IDEA? Will this get us anywhere? Anyone? IDEAS?

I have sent countless letters, emails and phone calls to my representatives. What do I receive in return? Form letters that don't address my concerns.

Interestingly enough, my state representative showed up and stayed far in the background watching the crowd. He was gauging the mood of the crowd and listening to the democrats who spoke of their disgust for the tax and spend mentality of Washington and our state. He listened because he knows in my county, 100 votes can swing an election. You better believe politicians are paying attention.

613 shiplord kirel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:32:45pm

The MSM are no doubt scouring the Tea Parties for any and all signs of wacko influence.
They don't seem to be having much luck so far.
Al Reuters' Tea Party slideshow on Yahoo is actually pretty benign, with no obvious troofers or Paulians visible in 43 images. It tends to emphasize the tax day connection very specifically though, with no mention of the more general opposition to federal intrusion and excessive federal power.

614 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:32:46pm

re: #603 Killgore Trout

Watching Fox....

615 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:32:51pm

re: #593 Occasional Reader

About Chuck.

/sorry

took you long enough to get round to some puns.

616 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:32:51pm

re: #605 cagney

when did the Lizard Longue get suspended?

Couple of weeks ago..

617 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:33:00pm

re: #595 Ben Hur

So far those here against have gotten all their info from the MSM.

Well... no. Charles and Killgore have done some real digging on this, and are to be commended for it.

That said, what I saw today was not what I expected. I'm guessing that many of today's "Parties" were different in kind with the ones we've been hearing about, because of larger turnout, higher quotient of "normal" people.

618 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:33:34pm

re: #605 cagney

when did the Lizard Longue get suspended?

Couple weeks ago. Parachat bug let banned lizards in and Charles wasn't going to let them trash talk him on his dime.

619 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:33:42pm

re: #605 cagney

when did the Lizard Longue get suspended?

Awhile back..Some jackasses were using it to bash Charles behind his back..

620 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:33:57pm

re: #589 Catttt

At any rate, a more complex, goal-oriented set of objectives will attract intelligent, goal-oriented people, and we need to do that if anything substantive is to happen.

OK, that's nice. But now can you tell me what the actual goal of these events is? Because I'm not seeing it.

621 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:34:00pm

re: #605 cagney

About two weeks ago from popular request.

622 Truck Monkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:34:24pm

I just realized I am 949 Karma points away from 2000. I should come up with a post much like Monty Pythons killer joke. Maybe I'll get there in one shot!

623 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:34:31pm

(head exploded from Ted's electric guitar playing.) What was that a Gibson ES-135?

624 snowcrash  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:34:35pm

re: #613 shiplord kirel
OMG look at those underpants! lol

625 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:34:49pm

I was taking a look at one of the papers I commonly read on-line, and came across this article about the protest in Lansing, Michigan.

Thousands express anger over taxes at Lansing 'Tea Party'

The Michigan Taxpayer Tea Party drew at least 5,000 people to the grounds of the Capitol. The well-behaved crowd filled the area out front. Many brought their children, and hundreds were carrying signs with slogans such as "If everyone paid taxes we would all be equal," and "Cut taxes not deals. You have run out of our money." Another one said, "Obama Yo Mama. No Socialism."

Most of those at the rally arrived in their own vehicles with very few being bused in, as is common with protests in Lansing.

I found it interesting.

626 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:34:52pm

re: #615 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

took you long enough to get round to some puns.

Hey, how's the weather up there in Filet?

627 Wendya  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:34:56pm

re: #566 Kobe

I was at Sarasota Party - I'd say 500 people and I didn't see any of the "kooks'" that Charles keeps referring to.


The only Kook I saw was a code pink representative who brought a bunch of signs calling us racist for opposing higher taxes.

628 cagney  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:35:11pm

bummer, it was a good outlet for us folk from outside the US to keep in touch :-)

629 shiplord kirel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:35:14pm

re: #624 snowcrash

OMG look at those underpants! lol

Stolen from Jabba the Slutt.

630 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:35:24pm

re: #603 Killgore Trout

Gregg Garrison speaking at Indianapolis Tea party. Watching for for the 1st time in about a year.

Fox is live at the Alamo Tea Party with Glen Beck. he just had Penn Gillett on who was in a studio

631 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:35:38pm

re: #613 shiplord kirel

They should take a look at Code Pink protests. Medea and her bunch of whackos.

632 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:36:01pm

Jeannine Turner!

633 Truck Monkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:36:15pm

re: #615 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

took you long enough to get round to some puns.

Think Chuck will put a Steak through his Heart?

/had to

634 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:36:19pm

re: #622 Truck Monkey

I just realized I am 949 Karma points away from 2000. I should come up with a post much like Monty Pythons killer joke. Maybe I'll get there in one shot!

pssst ... fishsticks
/

635 filetandrelease  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:36:23pm

re: #504 Ben Hur

Tea Parties are the new Sarah Palin.


Hmmmm, rally the right base, get em' motivated = bad. Dude, nicely done.

636 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:36:25pm

re: #620 Charles

OK, that's nice. But now can you tell me what the actual goal of these events is? Because I'm not seeing it.

If nothing else, perhaps just to show congress and the White House that 'we" are paying attention

637 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:36:32pm

re: #630 sattv4u2

The Internet feed is from indianapolis for some reason

638 brookly red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:36:33pm

re: #609 KenJen

Money to send electronic tea bags? What little confidence I had in Steele is fading fast.

Electric tea? how 60's...

639 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:37:02pm

re: #633 Truck Monkey

Think Chuck will put a Steak through his Heart?

/had to

That's a Stinky job, but someone's going to have to do it.

640 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:37:04pm

re: #626 Occasional Reader

Hey, how's the weather up there in Filet?

I think I'll skirt the question.

641 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:37:22pm

re: #637 Killgore Trout

Ah, I just found the link to San Antonio

642 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:37:29pm

re: #637 Killgore Trout

The Internet feed is from indianapolis for some reason

K ,, i'm at work ane we;re taking in about 10 different locales, but Indy isn't one of them

643 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:37:31pm

We are not supposed to fear the Feds, it is they that are supposed to fear us.

644 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:37:36pm

re: #632 BatGuano

Jeannine Turner!

Matt Damon!

645 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:38:30pm

Whatever the goal of the tea parties, you have to just sit back and see where it goes. People are pissed, rightfully so.

646 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:38:37pm

re: #620 Charles

OK, that's nice. But now can you tell me what the actual goal of these events is? Because I'm not seeing it.

I think it's pretty much the same as the goal of posting on a blog except more people will see it.

647 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:38:38pm

re: #219 BatGuano

The Boston tea party was protesting taxes that were far less onerous than what we accept today as normal. If any one of the founders were around today they would wonder why we are not in open rebellion.

They weren't protesting the amount of the taxes. They were protesting the position of having to pay taxes while having no say in the government that was levying them.

Last time I checked - about 30 seconds ago - we currently have representation in government at all levels.

Trying to equate these protests to those of the Revolutionary tea party by claiming similarity of causes is a non-starter.

648 johnnyreb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:39:05pm

re: #612 Wendya

I have sent countless letters, emails and phone calls to my representatives. What do I receive in return? Form letters that don't address my concerns.

Interestingly enough, my state representative showed up and stayed far in the background watching the crowd. He was gauging the mood of the crowd and listening to the democrats who spoke of their disgust for the tax and spend mentality of Washington and our state. He listened because he knows in my county, 100 votes can swing an election. You better believe politicians are paying attention.

That is the point of these protests. Here in SE CT, less than 100 votes have swung congressional seats twice in the last ten years. These guys are showing up and listening to what is being said. They know their seats are on the chopping block and they are paying attention.

649 BlueCanuck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:39:14pm

re: #625 Honorary Yooper

I found this line to be very interesting in the grand scheme of things....

Most of those at the rally arrived in their own vehicles with very few being bused in, as is common with protests in Lansing.

No buses, but lots of people. Makes you wonder who is paying for the bused in protestors.

650 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:39:21pm

re: #642 sattv4u2

K ,, i'm at work ane we;re taking in about 10 different locales, but Indy isn't one of them

We prefer Carrier pigeons here...

651 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:39:22pm

re: #640 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I think I'll skirt the question.

Ha! I've out-flanked you, I see. That's because you're not a real lizardoid, but a mere hanger-on.

652 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:39:58pm

re: #650 HoosierHoops

We prefer Carrier pigeons here...

baked or roasted?

653 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:40:25pm

Say what you will, but there is a bigger problem. I'm out of beer.

654 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:40:28pm

re: #620 Charles

OK, that's nice. But now can you tell me what the actual goal of these events is? Because I'm not seeing it.

I agree with you there. These were purely symbolic "mad as hell" rallies.

The organizers by and large have no part in any true grassroots organizing or planning, which is a hell of a lot harder than a rally.

I'm just hopeful that fiscally conservative people will realize that their elected officials are not being fiscally responsible with our money and that we the people need to do more than just not vote for that party next time (since both parties are at fault!).

655 BlueCanuck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:40:31pm

re: #652 sattv4u2

baked or roasted?

Baked in a coating of clay.

/yummmmmm

656 iceman1960  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:40:47pm

re: #620 Charles

OK, that's nice. But now can you tell me what the actual goal of these events is? Because I'm not seeing it.

Charles the goal is to wake a sleeping giant. This is just the start.

657 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:40:49pm

re: #647 SixDegrees

Last time I checked - about 30 seconds ago - we currently have representation in government at all levels.

Speak for yourself, dude.

/DC resident

658 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:41:20pm

re: #645 NYCHardhat

Whatever the goal of the tea parties, you have to just sit back and see where it goes. People are pissed, rightfully so.

And it helps people like me who live in places like Chicago where we have little if any voice in our political lives. It is depressing mingle with people and hear all of the Obamabots. The tea parties make me feel included in something, a movement that has people showing their anger and disgust with so called liberalism.

659 JacksonTn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:41:20pm

re: #649 BlueCanuck

I found this line to be very interesting in the grand scheme of things....

No buses, but lots of people. Makes you wonder who is paying for the bused in protestors.

BC ... well ... who do you think paid for people to be bussed into the Iowa caucuses ... the democrats caucus primaries were a total joke ... the bullying by the Obama supporters has been documented ... this is not a case of ODS ... it is the truth ... ACORN was in full force ... and who do you think is buddies with ACORN ... Obama ... he owes debt to those criminals from way way back ... and he will pay them back for every single vote they got him ...

660 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:41:21pm

re: #502 Afrocity

Thanks Dusty I missed you. I missed all of you.
I took some advice and started my own blog. now I know what it is liek to get hate mail, as I have been called a sellout nazi via gmail 4 times now.
But I would not have had the courage to do the blog with out the help of lizards that I met here.
You guys made me confident in myself again and proud to say that I am a conservative. I will never hide who I am again.

[Link: afrocityblog.wordpress.com...]

I love your blog. I've made it one of my favorites. Congratulations.
:)

661 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:41:38pm

re: #652 sattv4u2

baked or roasted?

Fried with 11 herbs and seasonings..

662 AMER1CAN  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:41:42pm

I think one goal of this event is to try and get normal working people out there to protest. I think it's working. Why? Well, I'm going out and I am taking the wife with me. Several folks I work with are going out as well. From what I hear, lots of normal working folks are turning out, and responsibly, many will do it after work hours.

I think this is just year 1, wait till next year when shit is so much worse. April 15 could turn into a real problem for the government. It seems to be the one day the regular normal worker will speak up and by god even go out and protest. After work hours of course!

This is bigger then Ron Paul and some guy named Eric Odom and his website and bigger then code pink also.

That's really optimistic I know, but hey, at this rate, I'm all out of change after today and I'm running on pure H-ope!

663 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:41:42pm

re: #647 SixDegrees

They weren't protesting the amount of the taxes. They were protesting the position of having to pay taxes while having no say in the government that was levying them.

Last time I checked - about 30 seconds ago - we currently have representation in government at all levels.

Trying to equate these protests to those of the Revolutionary tea party by claiming similarity of causes is a non-starter.

In Massachusetts, increasing property taxes beyond a certain amount requires a referendum. My town had to split the referendum up into where you could vote money for specific parts of the budget. Now that is taxation with representation.
(The first time they tried, the questions were linked and confusing, so they tried again.)

664 DEZes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:41:45pm

re: #652 sattv4u2

baked or roasted?

That might start a Squabble.

665 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:41:51pm

re: #657 Occasional Reader

Speak for yourself, dude.

/DC resident

But you get to live within walking distance of The Air & Space Museum, so you got that going for you.

666 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:42:20pm

re: #647 SixDegrees

Not sure what you point is but see my #263.

667 KenJen  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:42:27pm

re: #636 sattv4u2

If nothing else, perhaps just to show congress and the White House that 'we" are paying attention

The problem is that I dont think they give a shit whether we're paying attention or not. Remember he won. They won. They can basically do whatever they want til we vote them out.

668 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:42:31pm

re: #465 Afrocity

Glenn Beck just said the Democrats Suck and so do the Republicans
He is on fire in San Antonio
MSNBC just said tea parties are funded by Fox news and attended by whackos.

Oh, wait - for just one, fleeting moment, I thought you were saying the Beck had lit himself on fire in another desperate ratings gambit.

But that's not what you're saying at all. Damn.

669 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:42:58pm

re: #647 SixDegrees

They were protesting the position of having to pay taxes while having no say in the government that was levying them.

Yes, and some were carrying signs saying "Taxation is theft!", which is a stupid overstating of one's case.

But to the extent that elected representatives take note that there is a groundswell of people who do NOT think that an ever-increasing government presence in their lives is a good thing, the Tea Parties will have accomplished something.

670 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:43:02pm

re: #644 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Matt Damon is not on Fox. Jeannine Turner is!

671 johnnyreb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:43:42pm

re: #625 Honorary Yooper

The money quote right there:

"Most of those at the rally arrived in their own vehicles with very few being bused in, as is common with protests in Lansing."

672 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:43:47pm

re: #584 Killgore Trout

Tea party guy says pray, repent and it will get better.

Ok, that guy said that. That clinches it, they are all just fanatics!

673 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:43:53pm

re: #667 KenJen

The problem is that I dont think they give a shit whether we're paying attention or not. Remember he won. They won. They can basically do whatever they want til we vote them out.

For many of them, thats just 19 months away (mid term congressional elections November 2010)

674 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:44:04pm

re: #665 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

But you get to live within walking distance of The Air & Space Museum, so you got that going for you.

Why would I want to visit an empty museum?

675 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:44:24pm

re: #670 BatGuano

Matt Damon is not on Fox. Jeannine Turner is!

Ah. I thought we were just shouting out celebrities' names. Carry on.

676 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:44:26pm

re: #666 BatGuano

Damnit! That was post #666!

677 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:44:38pm

re: #564 Soona'

You've spoken like someone who expects everyone else to solve the problem for you. Maybe I should ask. Is the zero a problem for you? Do you agree with his policies? Do you have the seed money to start legal action?

I'm only making a suggestion to those screaming about how the government has over stepped its boundaries. I never ask anyone to do anything on my behalf when I'm than perfectly capable of doing such things myself. I find, most the time, protests to be a waste of time especially if people just show up and go away with no follow through which is to contact their Representatives. As I've mention before protests can draw the wrong crowd and cause most Americans to dismiss the original message. Also the narrative of a such protests can be cut and edited to fit the opposition's narrative. By the grassroots organizations taking them pleas of redress directly to the government we can control the narrative in a public forum such as addressing congress or meeting with the Representative and/or Senators. I am just one man and I would like to link up with like minded individuals and try a different approach instead of just protesting.

To answer your questions: Yes, I have a problem with President Obama's policies especially on energy. No, I don't need seed money because I have no intention of starting fruitless litigation.

678 BlueCanuck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:44:48pm

re: #659 JacksonTn

I knew a moonbat once. Cute girl, but vegan and totally into the protest cause. Hooked up with a group that was protesting the seal hunt. The group bused a whole bunch from Toronto to Ottawa to wave their signs on Parliament Hill. Had fun with her. Used to talk to her in the bar we hung out at. She always seemed to catch me with a bowl of chicken wings. :D

/of course I was unrepentant for eating them.

679 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:44:55pm

Don't these protesters know that it's patriotic to pay taxes?
/Don't ding me bro
//

680 TakeFive  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:45:02pm

Charles, how exactly did Eric Odom organize all these rallies? Perhaps the way Al Shapton organizes; show up and get in the spotlight?

My coworker, very conservative engineer, used a vacation day to attend one of the rallies here in California. Want to know who organized him? Reynolds, Malkin, Mish, Calculated Risk, that have been blogging on this topic for ages.

Charles, I've been reading your site almost since it's inception. Even when criticizing middle east atrocities you maintained a sense of humor and a bit of professional detachment. Lately though, there's a tone of self-righteousness creeping into your posts. Everything is six degrees from nazi’s or creationists and now you want us to stay away from anti-tax rallies cause of a few Paulians? Now you don’t get holding a sign with “Right Wing Extremist” is as much sarcasm as frustration at with the way reasonable thinking people are being labeled?

It’s like Andrew Sullivan’s excellent commentary after 9/11 eventually turned into a blog about torture, gay marriage, torture, torture, gay marriage, christanists, torture… It drove a lot of us away.

I get it that you’re not a right-winger, in spite of how others label you. You strike me as a moderate lefty with a clear sense of right and wrong. But perhaps like Sullivan, you’re just returning to your natural center.

681 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:46:01pm

re: #657 Occasional Reader

Speak for yourself, dude.

/DC resident


Wah, wahhh!
No sympathy from northern Virging. I have Jim Moran, Jim Webb, and Mark Warner to "represent" me.

682 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:46:04pm

re: #674 Occasional Reader

Why would I want to visit an empty museum?

Isn't the Enola Gay there?

683 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:46:12pm

re: #665 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

But you get to live within walking distance of The Air & Space Museum, so you got that going for you.

I also apparently live in the area with, currently, the best-stocked gunshops in the US, to hear other posters tell it. Imagine my surprise. (I don't mean DC itself, rather the 'burbs.)

684 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:46:52pm

re: #675 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Ah. I thought we were just shouting out celebrities' names. Carry on.

I got it, BDVM. You are not alone.

(I wonder, is Damon really anywhere near as stupid as Team America suggested he is?)

685 Olderthandirt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:47:21pm

Gee, well, that's a shame. Up here in Frozen Tundra Land, the Paulians wanted to take over the GOP as they tried elsewhere too. They failed miserably.

Charles, don't know whether this whole business of being now a conservative web leader type is your cup of tea. You've done very well on issues that have been important to many of us who comment here, just maybe not on the issue of partisan politics IMHO.

While we're not really a democracy per se, we follow democratic forms of government in the guise of a federal republic. It gets messy from time to time and not everything follows in nice orderly ways, especially movements such as the TPs. People like G. Greenwald think the TPs are a FNC creature and they're not. You evidently think question the validity of them too. All I can say is that you need to continue to monitor the TPs as do we all. I think they're just fine and will continue to monitor them too. Now, got to go watch the news and talk with some people who might have attended one of the TPs; ciao.

686 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:47:34pm

re: #678 BlueCanuck

I knew a moonbat once. Cute girl, but vegan and totally into the protest cause. Hooked up with a group that was protesting the seal hunt. The group bused a whole bunch from Toronto to Ottawa to wave their signs on Parliament Hill. Had fun with her. Used to talk to her in the bar we hung out at. She always seemed to catch me with a bowl of chicken wings. :D

/of course I was unrepentant for eating them.

You wouldn't eat them if they were called land kittens!
/

687 TakeFive  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:47:36pm

Charles, how exactly did Eric Odom organize all these rallies? Perhaps the way Al Shapton organizes; show up and get in the spotlight.

My coworker, very conservative engineer, used a vacation day to attend one of the rallies here in california. Want to know who organized him? Reynolds, Malkin, Mish, Calculated Risk, that have been blogging on this topic for ages.

Charles, I've been reading your site almost since it's inception. Even when critisizing middle east atrocities you maintained a sense of humor and a bit of profession detachment. Lately though, there's a tone of self-riteousness creeping into your posts.

688 sattv4u2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:47:38pm

re: #682 Afrocity

Isn't the Enola Gay there?

Enolas sexual orientation has nothing to do with it!

//

689 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:47:40pm

re: #682 Afrocity

Isn't the Enola Gay there?

Yes.

I making funny joke. ("air" & "space" = empty museum, get it?)

It is to laugh, my funny joke!

690 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:47:46pm

re: #602 OldLineTexan

Well, that settles it. Everyone that went to one of these events is a religious nutcase unless they rush the stage and beat the crap out of this guy for daring to speak. It's the only way we can uphold the Constitution, by rigorously controlling free speech in public.

/right?


Damn, you just beat me to it.

691 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:47:50pm

re: #620 Charles

OK, that's nice. But now can you tell me what the actual goal of these events is? Because I'm not seeing it.

* * *
Goal of My Tea Party attendance:

Peacefully assembling for redress of grievances of course.

(Plus it's Spring Break and I'm laid off)

Doing the work employed hard working Americans can't afford to do!

692 NYCHardhat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:48:21pm

Still miss you.

693 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:48:25pm

re: #682 Afrocity

Isn't the Enola Gay there?

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

694 rawmuse  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:48:38pm

Maybe the purpose of the tea parties is to let our elected reps know that, yes, there is some sh*t that we will not eat.

695 johnnyreb  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:49:02pm

re: #682 Afrocity

Isn't the Enola Gay there?


Air and Space, it was sort of a lame joke I think.

696 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:49:34pm

re: #694 rawmuse

Maybe the purpose of the tea parties is to let our elected reps know that, yes, there is some sh*t that we will not eat.

The only problem is that the elected reps aren't listening. They need something more concrete to focus their minds on the problem.

697 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:49:36pm

re: #613 shiplord kirel

The MSM are no doubt scouring the Tea Parties for any and all signs of wacko influence.
They don't seem to be having much luck so far.
Al Reuters' Tea Party slideshow on Yahoo is actually pretty benign, with no obvious troofers or Paulians visible in 43 images. It tends to emphasize the tax day connection very specifically though, with no mention of the more general opposition to federal intrusion and excessive federal power.

I think some of the signs did indicate concern over government intrusion, the first one was against socialism.

I liked the sign "Impeach The Beltway Pirates".

698 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:50:12pm

re: #602 OldLineTexan

Everyone that went to one of these events is a religious nutcase unless they rush the stage and beat the crap out of this guy

NOW you're talkin' my language!

[looking around for my Bible-thumper-stompin' boots]

699 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:50:28pm

re: #679 HoosierHoops

Don't these protesters know that it's patriotic to pay taxes?
/Don't ding me bro
//

How dare they assert their rights! This just won't do.

700 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:50:55pm

re: #689 Occasional Reader

Yes.

I making funny joke. ("air" & "space" = empty museum, get it?)

It is to laugh, my funny joke!

I am a nerd so I am kinda slow.

701 JacksonTn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:51:12pm

re: #590 rawmuse

We are about to find out what happens when The Rich refuse to be eaten, methinks.

rawmuse ... you may be right ... and it may seem cold of me to say this by some but ... do poor people create jobs? ... I know some would consider my family wealthy ... but it is all relative ... because I do not feel we are ... but there have been times when we have been told "oh, you just think you are better because you have money" ... and if you knew us you would know that is so far from the truth ... we started out with next to nothing ... it gets old hearing these things from people ... if the government keeps taking from people who create jobs ... what well be left ... just the government giving out the jobs ... and that is what I fear Obama and Pelosi, et al want ... I guess I need to stop blogging about this today ... because it really makes me angry ...

702 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:51:34pm

re: #698 Occasional Reader

NOW you're talkin' my language!

[looking around for my Bible-thumper-stompin' boots]

Be ye watchful of what thine opponent clings to in his right hand, if The Word be in his left.

August 21:19

703 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:51:42pm

re: #695 johnnyreb

Air and Space, it was sort of a lame joke I think.

"Lame"?

"LAME"?

I demand satisfaction sir!

704 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:52:02pm

re: #592 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I saw Americans living with different levels of understanding, but united in the one cause of smaller, more responsible government. Ambivalence was absent.

That's exactly what I saw here in Okla. City. It's a spectrum of American people that are angry (did I say angry?), yes angry and fearful, and tired of the arrogance and non-representation of this administration and congress (both parties).

705 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:52:03pm

re: #689 Occasional Reader

Yes.

I making funny joke. ("air" & "space" = empty museum, get it?)

It is to laugh, my funny joke!

It's in the Udvar-Hazy Center now. Bockscar, the B-29 which dropped the atomic bomb on Nagasaki is on display at Wright-Patterson.

706 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:52:06pm

re: #703 Occasional Reader

I just KNEW there was a duel in there, somewhere!

707 Right mind left  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:52:12pm

re: #612 Wendya

I have sent countless letters, emails and phone calls to my representatives. What do I receive in return? Form letters that don't address my concerns.

Interestingly enough, my state representative showed up and stayed far in the background watching the crowd. He was gauging the mood of the crowd and listening to the democrats who spoke of their disgust for the tax and spend mentality of Washington and our state. He listened because he knows in my county, 100 votes can swing an election. You better believe politicians are paying attention.

My concern is that ACORN and the census will be involved so the voters votes won't make any difference, unless it is in droves, which I worry will be counteracted by the other planned techniques of letting newly legal immigrants the right to vote and other tactics.

I have also written to reps and gotten form letters in return.

I would like to see something constructive done NOW, that is constructive and can effect changes to the actions happening by the Administration that will be seriously detrimental to our future.

My question is what can we DO. Draft legislation? I watch the GOP get shot down for anything they bring to the table. So how can we, the voters, be heard today? Is it a lost cause until the next election? That I fear could be too late...

708 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:52:37pm

re: #601 fsjonesy

Sweaty Teddy sure can play a guitar.

* * * *
I'm nervous about the Rock'n'Roll faction taking over the Tea Party! (NOT)

709 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:52:37pm

re: #689 Occasional Reader

I just got it. Upding!

710 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:53:20pm

re: #682 Afrocity

Isn't the Enola Gay there?

And to actually get to your question: The "Enola Gay" is not at the main Air & Space Museum on the Mall in DC, but rather at the newer Air & Space Annex out by Dulles Airport. Which is, arguably, an even groovier museum than the original.

711 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:54:00pm

The United States of Texas?

712 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:54:02pm

re: #674 Occasional Reader

Why would I want to visit an empty museum?

LOL ... good one. :~D

713 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:54:11pm

re: #683 Occasional Reader

I also apparently live in the area with, currently, the best-stocked gunshops in the US, to hear other posters tell it. Imagine my surprise. (I don't mean DC itself, rather the 'burbs.)

With gun ownership (supposedly) now legal in DC, isn't there a huge underserved market? How long would it take to get zoning approval for a gun store in Cleveland Park?

714 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:54:13pm

re: #663 Kosh's Shadow

In Massachusetts, increasing property taxes beyond a certain amount requires a referendum. My town had to split the referendum up into where you could vote money for specific parts of the budget. Now that is taxation with representation.
(The first time they tried, the questions were linked and confusing, so they tried again.)

Actually, it's moving distinctly away from representative government and more in the direction of pure democracy, where everyone must vote on every issue.

It's actually a form of governance that has been harshly criticized when carried to it's extreme since it's conception in Greece several thousand years ago. It is grossly inefficient and prone to the famous "Tyranny of the Majority" syndrome.

It's a very nice solution if it's scope is strictly constrained, however, as it is in your case.

715 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:54:17pm

re: #694 rawmuse

Maybe the purpose of the tea parties is to let our elected reps know that, yes, there is some sh*t that we will not eat.

It is a manner of seeking redress by establishing to elected officials that a mulitude of constituents are unhappy & can send them home in 2010.
It also rallys others. Letter writing is fine , but this has more impact.

716 Lincolntf  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:54:39pm

re: #672 opnion

I'm convinced that to the extent that this discussion is an "argument", it's pointless. People are talking about two or three or four different things when they talk about the Tea Parties. The ones they've attended, the ones they've heard about, the "what they could become" worries and the "what they sprang from angles". I'm not gonna get worked up if people, for whatever reason, point out all the negative stuff they hear or fear. They're not talking about the group I'm interested in, they're talking about websites and news clips.

717 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:55:08pm

re: #702 OldLineTexan

Be ye watchful of what thine opponent clings to in his right hand, if The Word be in his left.

August 21:19

Bah. You keep your Word in your left hand, Bible Boy, and I'll keep spare mags in mine...

718 KenJen  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:55:47pm

re: #711 Killgore Trout

The United States of Texas?

They should call it Texkissmyass.

719 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:56:01pm

I just receieved email with 233 tea party slogans. Here are some.

223 Slogan Ideas … (updated 2009-04-13)

* • $11 Trillion and climbing – Now that’s a lot of change!
* • 3 Simple Words: WE THE PEOPLE
* • Andrew Jackson was Right: No to Bank Nationalization
* • April is the month when the green returns to the lawn,
the trees and the IRS.
* • Armed and Dangerous … WITH MY VOTE
* • Bailouts + Debt = fiscal child abuse
* • Born Free, Taxed to Death
* • Can We Bankrupt The Country? YES WE CAN
* • Can We Lay Off Congress?
* • CAP (your income) & TRADE (your freedom)
* • Cap and Trade = Trap and Raid
* • Capitalism is NOT the problem; Ivy League politicians ARE
* • Cut Government Spending; Fire a Politician
* • Cut Taxes, Not Deals
* • D.C. = District of Corruption
* • DC: Find Another Country to Pillage and Plunder
* • DC: If You Have Time To Read My Sign,
Try Reading Some Legislation!
* • DC: The Longer You Stay, The Less You Remember About US

720 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:56:11pm

Anyone else find it ironic that Penn Gillette (a noted debunker) and Glenn Beck (a conspiracy nutcase) are now on the same side?

721 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:56:14pm

re: #667 KenJen

The problem is that I dont think they give a shit whether we're paying attention or not. Remember he won. They won. They can basically do whatever they want til we vote them out.

You're probably right, but there are a bunch of them up for re-election soon. They might be taking a look at this.

I also have to wonder why, if this is big yawn to the left, that they have every flying monkey (see Bob Beckel) from their camp on television trying to discourage it.

722 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:56:20pm

re: #710 Occasional Reader

And to actually get to your question: The "Enola Gay" is not at the main Air & Space Museum on the Mall in DC, but rather at the newer Air & Space Annex out by Dulles Airport. Which is, arguably, an even groovier museum than the original.

Personally, I prefer to go to the Hirshhorn on the mall, because 98% of the time I'm walking through, I'm laughing my backside off at the things that are passed off as modern art. Although, the remaining 2% can be pretty darn amazing, I will say.

723 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:56:23pm

re: #688 sattv4u2

Enolas sexual orientation has nothing to do with it!

//

I love it when I read an online article that has gone through the PC scrubber and it says the plane that dropped the atomic bomb was the Enola Homosexual.

724 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:56:41pm

OT but uplifting. Has anyone seen this performance yet? The perfect example of why you can't judge a book by its cover. Watch the reaction of the audience before and after.
[Link: faustasblog.com...]

725 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:57:00pm

Penn Jillete just pointed out the resurgence in popularity of Ayn Rands 'Atlas Shrugged"

726 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:57:24pm

re: #720 Killgore Trout

Anyone else find it ironic that Penn Gillette (a noted debunker) and Glenn Beck (a conspiracy nutcase) are now on the same side?

When worlds collide.

727 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:57:55pm

re: #713 Jim in Virginia

With gun ownership (supposedly) now legal in DC, isn't there a huge underserved market? How long would it take to get zoning approval for a gun store in Cleveland Park?

On the first question; you'd think so, wouldn't you? Yet I keep hearing from other lizards out in Red State America how their gun shops have been almost picked clean of firearms and ammo; yet both the shop I go to and the range I go to are stocked up. (The shop did sell out of CAR-15 clones right around Inauguration, but seem to be back in stock.)

As to your second question.... I think the City Council's answer would be, "how about 'never'? Does 'never' work for you?"

728 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:57:58pm

re: #717 Occasional Reader

Just trying to help you with the bitter clingers, m'boy.

729 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:58:00pm

Here's the web page inviting ALL to a non-partisan event.
The LOGO is the same as the Paulian-whacko that Charles says is running the show, but if you scroll down to the event sponsors you won't find a connection.

/Ron Paul, you sneaky bastard!

/I'm still going...........

730 BlueCanuck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:58:02pm

re: #686 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You wouldn't eat them if they were called land kittens!
/

Land kittens go *meow* chickens cluck. I have dealt with chickens. Only thing they are good for is providing sources of protein. ;)

/Proud member of People Eating Tasty Animals.

731 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:58:12pm

Gotta run. Have a great night, Lizard Nation.

732 Elcid  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:58:27pm

I understand that the White House turned down delivery of over one million tea bags, today.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Guess some people just plain forget parts of the First Amendment.

733 brookly red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:58:33pm

re: #725 opnion

Penn Jillete just pointed out the resurgence in popularity of Ayn Rands 'Atlas Shrugged"

I think it is being made into a movie, no?

734 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:58:43pm

Hot Air:More CNN: Roesgen interviews protester who calls Obama a fascist
Down the memory hole?

735 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:58:50pm

re: #647 SixDegrees

They weren't protesting the amount of the taxes. They were protesting the position of having to pay taxes while having no say in the government that was levying them.

Last time I checked - about 30 seconds ago - we currently have representation in government at all levels.

Trying to equate these protests to those of the Revolutionary tea party by claiming similarity of causes is a non-starter.

I disagree. I think that the vast majority of people are either numb, asleep or fixated on American Idol and can't be bothered to pay attention. This coupled with an appalling lack of education in history and civics makes it necessary to have symbolic gestures that express the building anger out there. Anger not at the fact that we have an African American president and not even that we have a Democrat as President. Anger at the fact that this radical, leftist President and his Congress are arrogantly and rapidly moving out with a breathtaking statist agenda. Anger that there is not even a pretense of bipartisanship - remember "I Won". Anger that even though our side lost that doesn't mean Obama has a mandate to take us into full blown socialism without so much as a breath of acknowledgement that he is President of all of us and not just of the radical, leftist fringe.
And getting back to our lack of historical knowledge, the Boston tea party is, I believe, one of the few symbols that still resides in most people's collective memory and is an appropriate device for symbolizing this anger.

736 mikalm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:58:50pm

re: #720 Killgore Trout

Anyone else find it ironic that Penn Gillette (a noted debunker) and Glenn Beck (a conspiracy nutcase) are now on the same side?

Not really. Penn's always been a media wh0re.

737 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:58:50pm

re: #724 Bobblehead

OT but uplifting. Has anyone seen this performance yet? The perfect example of why you can't judge a book by its cover. Watch the reaction of the audience before and after.
[Link: faustasblog.com...]

That was awesome. I love her. She made fools out of a lot of people that night.

738 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:58:54pm

re: #674 Occasional Reader

Why would I want to visit an empty museum?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Good evening, Lizards.

739 Killgore Trout  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:59:06pm

re: #726 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I guess it's the libertarian thing.

740 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:59:10pm

re: #720 Killgore Trout

Anyone else find it ironic that Penn Gillette (a noted debunker) and Glenn Beck (a conspiracy nutcase) are now on the same side?

I thought Penn was a liberal, so like you I do find it odd that he is on the Beck show.

741 Silvergirl  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:59:17pm

re: #694 rawmuse

Maybe the purpose of the tea parties is to let our elected reps know that, yes, there is some sh*t that we will not eat.

It seems fairly simple. Wasn't the purpose of our country's original tea party in Boston Harbor to show the same thing? And that would be, we're not going to swallow this.

742 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 2:59:38pm

re: #720 Killgore Trout

Anyone else find it ironic that Penn Gillette (a noted debunker) and Glenn Beck (a conspiracy nutcase) are now on the same side?


I was about to comment on that, actually.

Indeed, more than strange bedfellows, if they are indeed on the same side.

743 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:00:01pm

re: #726 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

When worlds collide.

Boom!

744 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:00:12pm

re: #733 brookly red

I think it is being made into a movie, no?

That would be great. Very prophetic book imo.

745 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:00:21pm

re: #732 Elcid

I understand that the White House turned down delivery of over one million tea bags, today.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Guess some people just plain forget parts of the First Amendment.

If you seriously think that the Secret Service is going to allow a million bags with "powder" in them on the premises you are living in Clownshoes Land. It has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

746 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:00:53pm

re: #669 Occasional Reader

Yes, and some were carrying signs saying "Taxation is theft!", which is a stupid overstating of one's case.

But to the extent that elected representatives take note that there is a groundswell of people who do NOT think that an ever-increasing government presence in their lives is a good thing, the Tea Parties will have accomplished something.

If you think that will ever happen, you are deluding yourself. It is human nature to seek to expand the scope and scale of your power, and politicians do this for a living. They will only find less obtuse ways to continue doing so if faced with such a groundswell, after pitching a couple of meaningless bones to the crowds. In short, they'll just start telling a different set of lies.

But if you think politicians are going to vote themselves less power, you'll be waiting a very, very long time to see results.

The best solution - and really, the only solution - is to post lists of incumbents on the Internet and publicize them, while educating people to instinctively vote against anyone who's served more than a couple of terms. Despite the "Liberal Revolution" that's supposed to have taken place during the last couple elections, the turnover rate in congress is still in the single-digit range.

747 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:01:00pm

re: #584 Killgore Trout

Tea party guy says pray, repent and it will get better.

I read a review of some new conservative-right wing novel called Patriots There was this quote from the book in the review:

“I generally recommend that people pick religious people for neighbors because they’re going to be the most law-abiding and trustworthy in a crisis, because they’re God-fearing. If I had a Bahai as a next-door neighbor, I’d feel much safer than someone who was a Marilyn Manson fan.”

I'm a Marilyn Manson fan, and believe or not, I rarely eviscerate my neighbors.

My point - I tend to get alienated from people who assume I'm "the other" for some stupid freaking reason - who put me in a pigeon hole and assume stuff and diss me or assume that music choices or church attendance correlates with your character one to one, when it doesn't.

This is the main problem I have with a lot of the right wing.

I have a bumpersticker that says "I'm One Too." People stop me in parking lots to ask me what I am.

748 ladycatnip  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:01:01pm

#625 Honorary Yooper

...Most of those at the rally arrived in their own vehicles with very few being bused in, as is common with protests in Lansing.

People getting bused in to rallies are often paid protesters or are rounded up and bused in to create a bigger headcount. The tea party protests are a slice of American pie - just plain good people wanting their voices heard.

If anything, this is a wake-up call to those on the Hill and in the WH - liberals aren't the only ones who can use the Net to mobilize.

749 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:01:08pm

Fox News reported earlier the White House was on "lockdown" earlier because (allegedly) some idiot(s) threw a box full of tea bags over the White House fence.

There's always a skunk at the party, with no manners or brains. Whoever threw objects over the White House fence, like John Kerry threw his medals/ribbons, are odious idiots.

750 s.r.  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:01:23pm

Charles, very rarely have I actually disagreed with you enough to make a post. I hold my membership here as a sort of honor. I contribute when I feel things are NESSISARY to be said...

but... is there any major organization "controlling" the tea party? Seriously? As far as I was aware well over 50%(probably more) were put together by a handful of people and have no great overbearing structure... so when the media started poking around, and found a nut job taking the lionshare of the credit and TV Time, I don't think it's fair to burn down all the parties. Give me a list that have accepted this wacko as their "public spokesman" and I'll be astonished if the list includes more then a handful of states much less a majority.

Sure you can say their message is vague, and sure you can say they could be more vocal in their opposition to the media and the far right (and left) trying to claim these events. Those are arguments to be made as the movement puts down roots and grows from here. Most of the organizers would be very keen to listen to how they could better get their message across...but first major financial protest? Seems to be run well on a local level, where it matters most.

Lets hope the good that comes from today outweighs the screen time some jack holes have co opted out of sycophantic news anchors and bias media.

751 Timbre  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:01:29pm

re: #680 TakeFive

re: #687 TakeFive

Charles has an excellent sense of who has ulterior motives and what those motives are. It is his weblog and he does not want associations with any person or group who holds extremist positions, be they "left" or "right." I can respect that. Moreover, I have a sense that Charles will be again be proven right about these protests.

752 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:02:09pm

re: #732 Elcid

I don't. I got my Cato institute pocket Constitution right here. :)

753 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:02:16pm

re: #741 Silvergirl

It seems fairly simple. Wasn't the purpose of our country's original tea party in Boston Harbor to show the same thing? And that would be, we're not going to swallow this.

I'm thinking back to some of the earliest criticism I heard about this effort. It was primarily, "The media won't cover it."

I guess that was wrong.

754 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:02:28pm

re: #740 Afrocity

I thought Penn was a liberal, so like you I do find it odd that he is on the Beck show.

I think Penn Gillette is a radical libertarian....not a liberal. IIRC.

755 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:02:33pm

re: #727 Occasional Reader

On the first question; you'd think so, wouldn't you? Yet I keep hearing from other lizards out in Red State America how their gun shops have been almost picked clean of firearms and ammo; yet both the shop I go to and the range I go to are stocked up. (The shop did sell out of CAR-15 clones right around Inauguration, but seem to be back in stock.)
As to your second question.... I think the City Council's answer would be, "how about 'never'? Does 'never' work for you?"

I bought my Bushmaster Carbon 15 M4 well before the election. Prices jumped as did sales for my seller and other gun stores in Colorado Nov 3, 2008. Also got 9 extra magazines before they did the same disappearing act.

756 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:02:36pm

re: #746 SixDegrees

If you think that will ever happen, you are deluding yourself. It is human nature to seek to expand the scope and scale of your power, and politicians do this for a living. They will only find less obtuse ways to continue doing so if faced with such a groundswell, after pitching a couple of meaningless bones to the crowds. In short, they'll just start telling a different set of lies.

But if you think politicians are going to vote themselves less power, you'll be waiting a very, very long time to see results.

The best solution - and really, the only solution - is to post lists of incumbents on the Internet and publicize them, while educating people to instinctively vote against anyone who's served more than a couple of terms. Despite the "Liberal Revolution" that's supposed to have taken place during the last couple elections, the turnover rate in congress is still in the single-digit range.

Gee, I wonder who this sounds like. Agree 100 percent.

757 AMER1CAN  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:03:01pm

re: #711 Killgore Trout

The United States of Texas?

Texas will execute you on Tax day to. Shit you not. I linked to a story earlier about it! Don't mess with Texas baby!

758 mikalm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:03:09pm

re: #740 Afrocity

I thought Penn was a liberal, so like you I do find it odd that he is on the Beck show.

He's actually a Libertarian -- the party of choice for people with Aspergers-like fixations on perfect consistency and ideological purity.

759 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:03:26pm

re: #733 brookly red

I think it is being made into a movie, no?

I link to it here.

I'm just into part 2 of the book. Only a third of the way through and it looks like a monumental task to translate it into a film. It certainly shouldn't be tried with a single film.

760 Elcid  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:04:14pm

re: #745 ArchangelMichael

If you seriously think that the Secret Service is going to allow a million bags with "powder" in them on the premises you are living in Clownshoes Land. It has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

I understand your point...Obviously they would not. It's the principle of the thing and like it or not Owner of "Clownshoes Land" they got the point...Do you or do you polish, your "Clownshoes" quite a bit?

761 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:04:16pm

re: #746 SixDegrees

while educating people to instinctively vote against anyone who's served more than a couple of terms

The Tea Parties have got your number. I saw plenty of protest signs in favor of term limits.

762 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:04:24pm

re: #727 Occasional Reader

If you had the time and money to hire a good zoning attorney and then fight the District government in the courts to get all the permits, you could probably make a bundle of money; plus it would really irritate the moonbats.
After DC lost the court battles to stop the first gun store, the second application would go through at much less cost.
And think of the sales tax revenue!

763 Right mind left  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:04:32pm

re: #759 CyanSnowHawk

I link to it here.

I'm just into part 2 of the book. Only a third of the way through and it looks like a monumental task to translate it into a film. It certainly shouldn't be tried with a single film.

They will mutilate it just like they did when they made the Fountainhead. All the key reasoning was totally lost.

764 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:04:32pm

re: #707 Right mind left

My concern is that ACORN and the census will be involved so the voters votes won't make any difference, unless it is in droves, which I worry will be counteracted by the other planned techniques of letting newly legal immigrants the right to vote and other tactics.

I have also written to reps and gotten form letters in return.

I would like to see something constructive done NOW, that is constructive and can effect changes to the actions happening by the Administration that will be seriously detrimental to our future.

My question is what can we DO. Draft legislation? I watch the GOP get shot down for anything they bring to the table. So how can we, the voters, be heard today? Is it a lost cause until the next election? That I fear could be too late...

What you can do is run candidates who win elections. It's really that simple.

765 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:04:52pm

re: #757 AMER1CAN

Texas will execute you on Tax day to. Shit you not. I linked to a story earlier about it! Don't mess with Texas baby!

He should have filed for an extension

766 mikalm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:05:04pm

re: #747 Catttt

I know what you're saying, Catttt. To the Lefties, I'm a gun-toting "Xtian" capitalist, and to the Righties, I'm a dope-smoking, perverted queer-lover. You can't win!

767 rcslaw  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:05:20pm

re: #578 BatGuano

Thanks for the question. I think about things more than I write about them and I think LGF is a very thought provoking blog that parallels what I'm thinking. Thus: why comment?

Today was different (re: Tea Parties).

768 ladycatnip  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:05:27pm

#701 Jackson, TN

...and it may seem cold of me to say this by some but ... do poor people create jobs?...if the government keeps taking from people who create jobs ... what well be left ... just the government giving out the jobs...

Dingdingdingding...Bingo!

Couldn't have said it any better, Jackson.

769 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:05:38pm

The Obamas made 2.7 million dollar last year!
Mostly off books.

Turns out "Dreams of my Father" were to become filthy rich like a Capitalist.

770 Kegel  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:05:59pm

re: #687 TakeFive

Charles, how exactly did Eric Odom organize all these rallies? Perhaps the way Al Shapton organizes; show up and get in the spotlight.

Charles, I've been reading your site almost since it's inception. Even when critisizing middle east atrocities you maintained a sense of humor and a bit of profession detachment. Lately though, there's a tone of self-riteousness creeping into your posts.

I've noticed it too. I think Charles has been hitting the Obama Kool-Aid.

771 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:06:34pm

re: #756 Walter L. Newton

Gee, I wonder who this sounds like.

So those "measures I support but which if I mention them here will get me banned" you alluded to earlier are... supporting term limits?!

Hmmm.

772 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:06:37pm

re: #754 LGoPs

I think Penn Gillette is a radical libertarian....not a liberal. IIRC.

I agree. FUNNY, clever, radical libertarian. And of course, huge (and I do love big men).

773 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:06:48pm

re: #647 SixDegrees

They weren't protesting the amount of the taxes. They were protesting the position of having to pay taxes while having no say in the government that was levying them.

Last time I checked - about 30 seconds ago - we currently have representation in government at all levels.

Trying to equate these protests to those of the Revolutionary tea party by claiming similarity of causes is a non-starter.

You haven't been paying attention then. There's been many comments from lizards who have tried to contact their representatives and are met with either silence or an arrogant form letter that tells them they don't know what they're talking about. Much of the reasoning of original tea party as well as the Revolutionary War was exactly for this.

774 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:07:22pm

re: #753 capitalist piglet

I'm thinking back to some of the earliest criticism I heard about this effort. It was primarily, "The media won't cover it."

I guess that was wrong.

If some Tea Party goers cure cancer, it will be depicted as a 'Radical " cure & a slap at Obama

775 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:07:26pm

re: #763 Right mind left

They will mutilate it just like they did when they made the Fountainhead. All the key reasoning was totally lost.

Depends on who makes it. It is a book with many fans, and you could wind up with a Producer/Writer/Director that is as passionate about it as Peter Jackson was with Lord of the Rings. Or you could wind up with Michael Bay who will make it about blowing up trains.

776 jaunte  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:07:39pm

re: #770 Kegel

If that was true, don't you think he would be encouraging the right wing to get even crazier?

777 Bobblehead  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:07:39pm

re: #769 alegrias

The Obamas made 2.7 million dollar last year!
Mostly off books.

Turns out "Dreams of my Father" were to become filthy rich like a Capitalist.

It's a means to the end and all the suckers who purchased the books are just useful idiots.

778 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:07:44pm

re: #760 Elcid

I understand your point...Obviously they would not. It's the principle of the thing

In otherwords: "feel good, do nothing, make you look like an idiot"

And no CBBHO isn't getting the point... The Plutocrats running the country into the ground are blissfully ignoring this, or concentrating on the wackos to discredit it.

779 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:08:02pm

re: #745 ArchangelMichael

If you seriously think that the Secret Service is going to allow a million bags with "powder" in them on the premises you are living in Clownshoes Land. It has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

* * * *
Yes, those people who showed up with truckloads of tea BUT no permit, were STUPID, pre 9/11/01 mentality.

780 DEZes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:08:10pm

re: #724 Bobblehead

OT but uplifting. Has anyone seen this performance yet? The perfect example of why you can't judge a book by its cover. Watch the reaction of the audience before and after.
[Link: faustasblog.com...]

Im simply stunned, a fantastic performance!
Wow, just wow.

781 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:08:30pm

re: #762 Jim in Virginia

If you had the time and money to hire a good zoning attorney and then fight the District government in the courts to get all the permits, you could probably make a bundle of money; plus it would really irritate the moonbats.

As of the last time I checked (a few months ago, when I bought my M1911), there is exactly ONE FFL dealer in all of DC. All handgun sales to DC residents at Virginia or Maryland gun shops have to be "transferred" to him, then to the buyer... after this guy collects his fee, of course. He must be making a mint.

782 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:09:08pm

re: #741 Silvergirl

re: #694 rawmuse


Maybe the purpose of the tea parties is to let our elected reps know that, yes, there is some sh*t that we will not eat.

It seems fairly simple. Wasn't the purpose of our country's original tea party in Boston Harbor to show the same thing? And that would be, we're not going to swallow this.

Well, no, that wasn't the purpose. The purpose was to live under a government where they had representation in the first place, so they could participate through their representatives in how their tax money was allocated, and how taxes were allocated.

783 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:09:42pm

re: #740 Afrocity

I thought Penn was a liberal, so like you I do find it odd that he is on the Beck show.

Penn is more of a fan of Ayn Rand. So, he's not liberal or conservative. He plays the dummy, but he is no dummy.

784 Suzette  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:09:51pm

re: #346 redc1c4

whereas i'm usually grumpy.

White smoke grumpy red. :)
/hope you are doing well!

785 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:10:10pm

re: #745 ArchangelMichael

If you seriously think that the Secret Service is going to allow a million bags with "powder" in them on the premises you are living in Clownshoes Land. It has nothing to do with the First Amendment.


Plus they were concerned that it might get mixed up in Obama's "stash".

/

786 mikalm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:10:12pm

re: #772 Catttt

I agree. FUNNY, clever, radical libertarian. And of course, huge (and I do love big men).

I dunno, Catttt. He's a talented magician, and I respect his debunking stuff, but the guy just comes across as an arrogant know-it-all. In his most recent YouTube postings, he looks and sounds exactly like The Comic-Book Store Guy on The Simpsons.

787 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:10:14pm

Why did the lady who brought the tea bags to the White House get turned away? It says she did not have a permit (though she should have thought about this during planning). Why did they keep her from passing it out? It was only tea. I bet if liberals were there passing out condoms and placenta hair removal cream no one would have stopped them. Now she is stuck with 1,000s of boxes of tea.

788 ladycatnip  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:11:11pm

#749 alegrias

Fox News reported earlier the White House was on "lockdown" earlier because (allegedly) some idiot(s) threw a box full of tea bags over the White House fence.

There's always a skunk at the party, with no manners or brains. Whoever threw objects over the White House fence, like John Kerry threw his medals/ribbons, are odious idiots.

What did the WH think the tea bags were? At any rate, it's foolhardy to throw anything at the WH and no doubt there were arrests. I wonder if they did a lock down when Kerry threw his medals over?

789 brookly red  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:11:19pm

Mark Levin is weighing in on the tea parties, and he is speaking softly & slowly...

790 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:11:27pm

re: #752 BatGuano

I don't. I got my Cato institute pocket Constitution right here. :)

Really? I've got mine on my iPhone.

791 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:11:34pm

re: #761 Occasional Reader

The Tea Parties have got your number. I saw plenty of protest signs in favor of term limits.

Term limits are a complete non-starter. Read my post again: it is never, ever going to happen.

If citizens want term limits, they're going to have to impose them on their own.

792 TakeFive  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:11:47pm

#750 s.r.

I'm in agreement with you. Further, I would like to see Charles use his influence to disco urge the kooks from attending, rather than dissuade the rest of us from participating because a few Paulians decided to show up.

793 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:11:49pm

re: #789 brookly red

Mark Levin is weighing in on the tea parties, and he is speaking softly & slowly...

Is he carrying a big stick?

794 Suzette  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:11:53pm

re: #730 BlueCanuck

Hey Blue! :)
Good to see you! As always!

795 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:12:49pm

re: #787 Afrocity

Why did the lady who brought the tea bags to the White House get turned away? It says she did not have a permit (though she should have thought about this during planning). Why did they keep her from passing it out? It was only tea. I bet if liberals were there passing out condoms and placenta hair removal cream no one would have stopped them. Now she is stuck with 1,000s of boxes of tea.

* * * *
She didn't have a permit to dump stuff.
Anyone who thinks they can drive up to the White House and dump stuff anymore, is STUPID.

796 BlueCanuck  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:12:53pm

re: #794 Suzette

Hi Suzette, long time no see. Got your sleep thing figured out finally?

/now on the afternoon shift. ;)

797 Aye Pod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:12:59pm

re: #575 Soona'

Sounds like you've either got an asshole or an opinion.

Ok, so if someone thinks that Sarah Palin and the tea party 'phenomenon' might be bad for the GOP, you're just going to call them an asshole? That makes you the asshole.

798 opnion  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:13:01pm

re: #788 ladycatnip

#749 alegrias


What did the WH think the tea bags were? At any rate, it's foolhardy to throw anything at the WH and no doubt there were arrests. I wonder if they did a lock down when Kerry threw his medals over?


He didn't even toss his own medals, just some that he got his hands on.
He said it himself

799 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:13:04pm

re: #767 rcslaw

Don't make yourself a stranger. :)

800 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:13:21pm

re: #778 ArchangelMichael

In otherwords: "feel good, do nothing, make you look like an idiot"

And no CBBHO isn't getting the point... The Plutocrats running the country into the ground are blissfully ignoring this, or concentrating on the wackos to discredit it.

Well put. That pretty much sums it up. I just hope someone actually gets people focused, but that's an uphilll battle. It's easy to rant and carry signs but hard to focus.

801 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:13:35pm

re: #791 SixDegrees

Term limits are a complete non-starter. Read my post again: it is never, ever going to happen.

If citizens want term limits, they're going to have to impose them on their own.

Agree. It would be better if we could manage to restrict how congress critters set their districts.

802 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:13:38pm

re: #787 Afrocity

For the same reason you cant mail any chemicals, powder or otherwise to the White House. They have no way to know if there is anything dangerous in it without physically testing every single one.

The Secret Service has better things to do. A petition with about 100 million names on it would be better, but Emperor Zero would still probably ignore it anyway.

803 BatGuano  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:14:32pm

re: #790 acwgusa

Have you had yours for 15 years? :)

804 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:14:33pm

re: #788 ladycatnip

#749 alegrias

What did the WH think the tea bags were? At any rate, it's foolhardy to throw anything at the WH and no doubt there were arrests. I wonder if they did a lock down when Kerry threw his medals over?

* * * *
September 11, 2001 changed Washington DC forever.

Pennsylvania Avenue is closed off at both ends in front of the White House. It used to be a four lane street.

No one with a brain would try anything as stupid as bringing a truckload of anything near the White House.

805 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:14:42pm

Happy tax day, in any event. I'm off to the gym.

806 Suzette  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:14:48pm

re: #796 BlueCanuck

Yes got my sleep thing better! Thank God!
Afternoon shift? Finally out of the night! Glad to hear you
are off graveyards! :)

807 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:14:53pm

re: #786 mikalm

I dunno, Catttt. He's a talented magician, and I respect his debunking stuff, but the guy just comes across as an arrogant know-it-all. In his most recent YouTube postings, he looks and sounds exactly like The Comic-Book Store Guy on The Simpsons.

I don't watch TV, but I like take-charge guys. Especially big ones.

I always thought Teller was really tiny before I learned Penn is 6 foot 6.

808 fstrat  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:15:05pm

re: #687 TakeFive

Charles, how exactly did Eric Odom organize all these rallies? Perhaps the way Al Shapton organizes; show up and get in the spotlight.

Odom didn't organize all the rallies, but his site is promoting the April 15 tea parties. Our site, teapartyrevolution.com was actually started before, but we are much smaller and list all events beyond April 15 in addition to other info.

I'd be interested to see what happens starting tomorrow. We're in it for the long haul, if we can. But we're not supported by any site or political party. We're just sick of the Constitution being trampled on.

809 Cato the Elder  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:15:11pm

re: #133 calcajun

Again, I said it a minute ago--we have to control the message--and Pat is the wrong messenger. Hannity is inviting the vampire in to dinner so to speak and does not realize it.

Bullcrap. Hannity knows exactly who he's talking to.

Fox is cynical enough to play whatever sells. If NAMBLO drew a big audience, they'd pander to that, too.

810 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:15:15pm

re: #791 SixDegrees

Term limits are a complete non-starter. Read my post again: it is never, ever going to happen.

If citizens want term limits, they're going to have to impose them on their own.

How many signatures does it take for citizens to put a law on the ballot? And is there any other follow up to be aware of?

811 ackomanyuki  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:15:37pm

Some pics from the Pittsbugh Party. Just a couple of thousand middle of the road Clingers and Ynzers. No bomb throwers of any ideological stripe to be seen.

812 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:15:55pm

re: #784 Suzette

White smoke grumpy red. :)
/hope you are doing well!

same as always...... drinking beer, shooting rats, adding stuff to the fruitcup. %-)

going to the local "tea party" tonight, to look for whackos and Paulians.

813 Elcid  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:16:06pm

re: #778 ArchangelMichael

In otherwords: "feel good, do nothing, make you look like an idiot"

And no CBBHO isn't getting the point... The Plutocrats running the country into the ground are blissfully ignoring this, or concentrating on the wackos to discredit it.

Obviously you do not. Thanks for the affirmation. That's all ArchangelMichael. Odd that your nic has, well I believe you get that one.

The "change" comes not from "feel good, do nothing, make you look like an idiot" people, but those that have the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What you should (or should) see is a PUBLIC "petition".

814 Occasional Reader  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:16:07pm

re: #804 alegrias

September 11, 2001 changed Washington DC forever.

Pennsylvania Avenue is closed off at both ends in front of the White House. It used to be a four lane street.

[ducking back in]

Actually, that was done during the Clinton Administration, not post-9/11. Late '96 or early '97, I think.

Later.

815 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:16:26pm

re: #806 Suzette

Yes got my sleep thing better! Thank God!
Afternoon shift? Finally out of the night! Glad to hear you
are off graveyards! :)

eventually we're all going to be on the graveyard shift.

816 mikalm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:16:35pm

re: #791 SixDegrees

Term limits are a complete non-starter. Read my post again: it is never, ever going to happen.

If citizens want term limits, they're going to have to impose them on their own.

The problem is, it's always the other guy's Congresscritter who's causing all the troubles, and needs to be term-limited and/or tossed out. So long as a Rep keeps the Federal pork flowing into his/her district or state, preserves seniority, and stays out of major trouble, said Rep will be unbeatable.

817 Aye Pod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:16:41pm

re: #783 Archimedes

Penn is more of a fan of Ayn Rand. So, he's not liberal or conservative. He plays the dummy, but he is no dummy.

I'm starting to get interested in Ayn Rand. So far, it looks like she had some very relevant things to say.

818 Silvergirl  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:16:58pm

re: #782 SixDegrees

Well, no, that wasn't the purpose. The purpose was to live under a government where they had representation in the first place, so they could participate through their representatives in how their tax money was allocated, and how taxes were allocated.

So were they not in fact saying, "We are not going to swallow this," if their purpose was to say we will not live under a government without representation?

My original statement means a protest is a protest, and whether it happens to be in the 1770s or the 2000s, if a valid point is to be made, the protestors are saying we won't drink this tea, or we won't swallow it. Whether it's literally about actual tea or the Taxed Enough Already sort of tea, the purposes are alike.

819 Suzette  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:17:03pm

re: #812 redc1c4

Red .... give em hell! I know you can do it! :)

820 Suzette  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:18:04pm

re: #815 redc1c4

Red....sadly but true! :)
/still love your wit!

821 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:18:12pm

re: #735 LGoPs

I disagree. I think that the vast majority of people are either numb, asleep or fixated on American Idol and can't be bothered to pay attention. This coupled with an appalling lack of education in history and civics makes it necessary to have symbolic gestures that express the building anger out there. Anger not at the fact that we have an African American president and not even that we have a Democrat as President. Anger at the fact that this radical, leftist President and his Congress are arrogantly and rapidly moving out with a breathtaking statist agenda. Anger that there is not even a pretense of bipartisanship - remember "I Won". Anger that even though our side lost that doesn't mean Obama has a mandate to take us into full blown socialism without so much as a breath of acknowledgement that he is President of all of us and not just of the radical, leftist fringe.
And getting back to our lack of historical knowledge, the Boston tea party is, I believe, one of the few symbols that still resides in most people's collective memory and is an appropriate device for symbolizing this anger.

Well said. (Upding and applause)

822 redc1c4  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:18:52pm

re: #819 Suzette

Red .... give em hell! I know you can do it! :)

wiil do..... glad you got the sleep thing sorted out, but you're always welcome on the LNDT!

now i gotta go make my stencils and peaceably assemble my signs.

823 kywrite  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:19:13pm

re: #289 KenJen

Where does she work? I'll go frequent that restaurant next time I'm in town.

824 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:19:24pm

re: #814 Occasional Reader

[ducking back in]

Actually, that was done during the Clinton Administration, not post-9/11. Late '96 or early '97, I think.

Later.

* * * *
Thanks, OR.

Still, September 11, 2001 changed Washington, DC forever, so nuts with truckloads of crap better not try to dump anything near the White House.

825 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:19:49pm

re: #533 Jimmah

re: #504 Ben Hur

Tea Parties are the new Sarah Palin.

Precisely. That's why they're bad news for the GOP.

I disagree with your premise. My interpretation of Ben Hur's comment is that the tea parties will be beat up by the media, just like Sarah Palin was. And I assume that that is what your response is based on.
What I disagree about is that we need to take the media on, head on. If we avoid people or actions because we think the media will misportray them then we are truly lost. We will be allowing the media to dictate the agenda, and our candidates, for us. And that is a recipe for permanent defeat.

826 Suzette  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:20:05pm

re: #822 redc1c4

I'll see on LNDT threads here and there......
Good luck on the signs my friend! :)

827 Wendya  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:20:10pm

re: #797 Jimmah

Ok, so if someone thinks that Sarah Palin and the tea party 'phenomenon' might be bad for the GOP, you're just going to call them an asshole? That makes you the asshole.

Actually, I call them misguided.

828 rusty_armor  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:20:55pm

I note that the Democratic Party did pretty well by NOT marginalizing its kooks.

829 tompaineftw  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:21:00pm

I don't see why a protest must be pure and free of wackos before it can be endorsed by Lizards. That's a ridiculously high standard that will always result with inaction, or possibly a protest by one person at a time.

830 ladycatnip  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:21:03pm

#804 alegrias

You're right - I totally forgot about 9/11.

831 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:21:17pm

re: #817 Jimmah

I'm starting to get interested in Ayn Rand. So far, it looks like she had some very relevant things to say.

I'm an Objectivist and have been for a long time, so you don't have to convince me of that. :~D

832 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:21:35pm

re: #821 Soona'

Thank you.

833 Wishing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:22:34pm

re: #726 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

When worlds collide.

Velikofsky reference?

834 mikalm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:22:36pm

re: #807 Catttt

I don't watch TV, but I like take-charge guys. Especially big ones.

I always thought Teller was really tiny before I learned Penn is 6 foot 6.

Size counts! I've spent much time with supposedly sophisticated and rational people, and am amazed at how often the largest mammal in the room has both the floor and his way, and can back down the occasional dissenter with merely a glance. Who says we're not still operating on animal instincts?

(Another example of the Big Creature Syndrome was Hunter S. Thompson, who was quite formidable. I often wonder if he would have gotten away with 1/10th of the a$$holery he did had he been a skinny 5'5" dude.)

835 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:22:52pm

I think Charles is on the right track here. He is pointing out that certain undesirable individuals and groups (Back, Discovery Institute, Ron Paul supporters) have taken the discourse on the right to a area where we do not want to be if we are to ever have a legitimate chance of winning elections in any great number. We on the right need to define ourselves not in extreme right of social conservatism, (i.e. opposing gay marriage, abortion, fundamentalist beliefs to an extreme degree) but as individuals who believe that is not the state's business who we live with, that the bedroom is not a place to legislate, that the people are sovereign, not the Government. We need to show that we oppose crushing taxes, state and federal interference in the lives of our citizens, misguided nanny statism in the name of the environment, that we believe freedom and democracy is the way. We need to have the Iron Fist inside the velvet glove, not be afraid to crush terrorism and piracy where-ever it may rear its ugly head, support our allies to the extreme of our limits, slap down our foes foreign and domestic, secure our innovation and our nation, and dedicate our outlook to a United States that recognizes our foundations, honors them, and leads itself, and hopefully others, by standing to firm to the principles that made this nation grand, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

836 Wendya  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:22:56pm

re: #829 tompaineftw

I don't see why a protest must be pure and free of wackos before it can be endorsed by Lizards. That's a ridiculously high standard that will always result with inaction, or possibly a protest by one person at a time.

There are people, and I'm not saying that's the case here, who see protests as nothing but the "little people", the "rabble" forgetting "their place".

I mean really, how can you possibly attend a protest and then face your friends at the country club?


/

837 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:23:11pm

re: #830 ladycatnip

#804 alegrias

You're right - I totally forgot about 9/11.

* * *

I worked next door to the White House at the time, at 1775 Pennyslvania Avenue, so I WILL NEVER FORGET September 11, 2001.

839 SpaceJesus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:23:34pm

ron paul might be bat-shit insane, but this sounds pretty awesome actually


[Link: www.politico.com...]

840 cagney  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:23:35pm

Wishbone

Not sure if you tune into this site anymore,I'm sure you said your home team was Liverpool. Us Jocks thoughts are with you on the 20th anniversary.

841 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:23:44pm

re: #773 Soona'

You haven't been paying attention then. There's been many comments from lizards who have tried to contact their representatives and are met with either silence or an arrogant form letter that tells them they don't know what they're talking about. Much of the reasoning of original tea party as well as the Revolutionary War was exactly for this.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but Democracy totally sucks - when you're on the side that loses.

Your representative is in office because more people voted for them than voted for anyone else. If you think they aren't listening to their constituents, you're the one who isn't paying attention. They're obviously paying enough attention to win a majority of their votes.

John Murtha personally insulted large swaths of his constituency during the last election - twice. And won by a wide margin. If the results had been turned around, Murtha wouldn't be representing anyone right now.

Again: the point of the Revolutionary tea party was to protest a political system where citizens in the colonies had no political participation at all. That situation doesn't even remotely exist in the US today. Trying to draw such a parallel between today's protests and those of the Revolutionary era simply doesn't hold water.

842 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:24:08pm

re: #834 mikalm

Size counts! I've spent much time with supposedly sophisticated and rational people, and am amazed at how often the largest mammal in the room has both the floor and his way, and can back down the occasional dissenter with merely a glance. Who says we're not still operating on animal instincts?

(Another example of the Big Creature Syndrome was Hunter S. Thompson, who was quite formidable. I often wonder if he would have gotten away with 1/10th of the a$$holery he did had he been a skinny 5'5" dude.)

This also contributes to women wearing high heels. Seriously.

843 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:24:09pm

re: #837 alegrias

* * *

I worked next door to the White House at the time, at 1775 Pennyslvania Avenue, so I WILL NEVER FORGET September 11, 2001.

What is at 1776 Pennsylvania Avenue?

844 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:24:27pm

re: #801 CyanSnowHawk

Agree. It would be better if we could manage to restrict how congress critters set their districts.

Don't worry. ACORN will take care of that.

845 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:24:47pm

re: #620 Charles

OK, that's nice. But now can you tell me what the actual goal of these events is? Because I'm not seeing it.

What would you be looking for? A golden egg to pop out of someone's ass and a solution to show up approximately 30 days after we get enough people to hold signs?

This is a gathering of people who have had enough of the madness of washington, the tripiling of the deficit within 3 weeks of a new administration, a lack of debate, a general shutting-out of the people, and a tax system that's choking this country from the top down and the ground-up.

We are simply letting them know that we're here.

That's all. if you think that's pointless or not worth the risk of the Paulians glomming on to the cause ( which they will do anyway- see: republican primaries) I respectfully disagree.

846 mikalm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:25:04pm

re: #838 jamie

I guess the readership of Atlas Shrugged made their way to the protests.

That is a truly despicable sign.

847 Wendya  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:25:12pm

re: #838 jamie

I guess the readership of Atlas Shrugged made their way to the protests.

For a second there.... I forgot there was a blog by that name.

848 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:25:18pm

re: #835 acwgusa

I think Charles is on the right track here. He is pointing out that certain undesirable individuals and groups (Back, Discovery Institute, Ron Paul supporters) have taken the discourse on the right to a area where we do not want to be if we are to ever have a legitimate chance of winning elections in any great number. We on the right need to define ourselves not in extreme right of social conservatism, (i.e. opposing gay marriage, abortion, fundamentalist beliefs to an extreme degree) but as individuals who believe that is not the state's business who we live with, that the bedroom is not a place to legislate, that the people are sovereign, not the Government. We need to show that we oppose crushing taxes, state and federal interference in the lives of our citizens, misguided nanny statism in the name of the environment, that we believe freedom and democracy is the way. We need to have the Iron Fist inside the velvet glove, not be afraid to crush terrorism and piracy where-ever it may rear its ugly head, support our allies to the extreme of our limits, slap down our foes foreign and domestic, secure our innovation and our nation, and dedicate our outlook to a United States that recognizes our foundations, honors them, and leads itself, and hopefully others, by standing to firm to the principles that made this nation grand, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Well said.

849 Aye Pod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:25:31pm

re: #831 Archimedes

I'm an Objectivist and have been for a long time, so you don't have to convince me of that. :~D

I was much impressed with this: Ayn Rands message to the GOP candidates:

Youtube Video
850 Wishing  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:25:33pm

re: #808 fstrat

Odom didn't organize all the rallies, but his site is promoting the April 15 tea parties. Our site, teapartyrevolution.com was actually started before, but we are much smaller and list all events beyond April 15 in addition to other info.

I'd be interested to see what happens starting tomorrow. We're in it for the long haul, if we can. But we're not supported by any site or political party. We're just sick of the Constitution being trampled on.

Better link here.

851 Last Mohican  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:25:37pm

re: #754 LGoPs

I think Penn Gillette is a radical libertarian....not a liberal. IIRC.

I haven't had much use for him since I saw Penn and Teller competing on "Celebrity Fear Factor," and the "charity" they were playing for was the ACLU.

852 Timbre  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:25:43pm

re: #829 tompaineftw

I am 99% sure I heard a radio station in Midland, TX, promote a local tea party and mention the John Birch Society of Midland in the same sentence. I may be wrong. Maybe I am mixing two endorsements (not paid commercials). But I don't think so. If I am wrong I will say so.

853 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:25:47pm

re: #595 Ben Hur

Going to go now.

Re: Tea Parties:

So far those here against have gotten all their info from the MSM.

Those who went, seem to tell another story.

I guess I should've gone to one to see for myself.

I'll try to give you a report on the one here in the sticks. I know I wont be the only one there but I may not know any of the others.
I expect much laughing, foot stomping (its cold and snowy,) and possibly one or two fringe elements (with our population that means one or two people) showing up on either the left or the right.

854 Rancher  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:25:59pm

Is there any conservative cause that won't be coopted by the fringe? How do we keep them out? Should we just give up?

855 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:25:59pm

re: #813 Elcid

Keep proving you are a world class moron. Does not bother me. I'm not the one that thinks its ok to show up with a truckload of powder at the White house post 9/11 and then be shocked... shocked and play 1st Amendment suppression victim when they tell you to pound sand.

856 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:26:05pm

re: #843 Archimedes

What is at 1776 Pennsylvania Avenue?

* * * *

I don't know, stores of some kind.
Our building's entrance was actually on 18th Street facing a park with homeless men who peed into the bushes.

857 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:26:07pm

re: #828 rusty_armor

I note that the Democratic Party did pretty well by NOT marginalizing its kooks.

We don't need kooks to get anyone's attention, and we don't want them. It's shocking enough for politicians to see people with jobs and minivans in the streets.

858 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:26:15pm

re: #835 acwgusa

Therefore we should not assemble.

Got it.

859 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:26:20pm

re: #838 jamie

I guess the readership of Atlas Shrugged made their way to the protests.

I find that posting to be highly illogical.

860 mikalm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:26:22pm

re: #842 Catttt

This also contributes to women wearing high heels. Seriously.

Oh yeah? I always thought it was because of the way heels make the female posterior move.

861 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:26:33pm

re: #636 sattv4u2

If nothing else, perhaps just to show congress and the White House that 'we" are paying attention

And we don't know what...but we're sure gonna do something! !

862 Aye Pod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:26:49pm

re: #839 SpaceJesus

ron paul might be bat-shit insane, but this sounds pretty awesome actually

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Space Jesus - tell me you didn't eat their cookies ;-)

863 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:26:49pm

re: #830 ladycatnip

#804 alegrias

You're right - I totally forgot about 9/11.

Too many people have. This is a PROBLEM.

864 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:26:54pm

re: #835 acwgusa


We on the right need to define ourselves not in extreme right of social conservatism, (i.e. opposing gay marriage, abortion,

Oh, that's what an extremist is.

Someone better monitor me then.

865 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:27:03pm

It looks as though the Tea Party protests are going to be a success, from the standpoint of rallying a lot of people and shouting our dissatisfaction with the feds over their direction.

That said, it needs to be a an event that culminates today. Trying to drag it out and have follow on Tea Party events will only allow it to be complete co-opted by the fringe elements, that Charles can see organizing right now, to jump on the legitimizing band wagon. It's a great kick-off to further action, but now that action, and all the drudge work involved, needs to be done.

866 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:27:13pm

re: #825 LGoPs

I disagree with your premise. My interpretation of Ben Hur's comment is that the tea parties will be beat up by the media, just like Sarah Palin was. And I assume that that is what your response is based on.
What I disagree about is that we need to take the media on, head on. If we avoid people or actions because we think the media will misportray them then we are truly lost. We will be allowing the media to dictate the agenda, and our candidates, for us. And that is a recipe for permanent defeat.

Don't stop. You're on a roll.

867 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:27:14pm

re: #808 fstrat

Odom didn't organize all the rallies, but his site is promoting the April 15 tea parties. Our site, teapartyrevolution.com was actually started before, but we are much smaller and list all events beyond April 15 in addition to other info.

I'd be interested to see what happens starting tomorrow. We're in it for the long haul, if we can. But we're not supported by any site or political party. We're just sick of the Constitution being trampled on.


Who ever pulls the permits for a demonstration gets to decide who speaks on the stage. The best way to deal with the kooks at future protests is for responsible groups to apply for the permit and then use the platform not only to promote the cause responsibly, but also to denounce the nuts (Paulians, Troofers, militias, Posse Comitatus, etc) from the stage and make it clear that they are not welcome.

868 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:27:17pm

re: #858 astronmr20

Therefore we should not assemble.

Got it.

Congratulations on not getting it, at all.

869 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:27:25pm

re: #847 Wendya

For a second there.... I forgot there was a blog by that name.

Is that what he meant?

870 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:27:36pm

re: #822 redc1c4

wiil do..... glad you got the sleep thing sorted out, but you're always welcome on the LNDT!

now i gotta go make my stencils and peaceably assemble my signs.


I just used a black magic marker.

871 mikalm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:27:44pm

re: #859 Archimedes

I find that posting to be highly illogical.

He's referring to the blog, not the book, Spock.

872 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:27:50pm

re: #839 SpaceJesus

ron paul might be bat-shit insane, but this sounds pretty awesome actually

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Shares of letters of marque. Sounds like he wants the USA to have privateers. Not gonna happen.

873 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:27:51pm

re: #30 jcm

The tea party idea was an honest effort by honest folks who are upset by the direction in DC. They are for the most part working folks busy with work and family. The whole political activism thing is new territory for them.

On the other hand for hard core Paulbots and other kooks and loony toons activism is their bread and butter.

The result is the honest part of the Tea Bag protests has been blindsided by the kooks and loons.

I think kooks and loons are going to show up at any protest. It's just what they do. but you are right, most folks don't do this for a living so I hear a lot of "this was my first time protesting".

874 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:28:26pm

re: #645 NYCHardhat

Whatever the goal of the tea parties, you have to just sit back and see where it goes. People are pissed, rightfully so.

They're really not pissed just yet...but they know they will be.

875 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:28:28pm

re: #851 Last Mohican

I haven't had much use for him since I saw Penn and Teller competing on "Celebrity Fear Factor," and the "charity" they were playing for was the ACLU.

I didn't know that. I despise the ACLU.

876 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:28:38pm

re: #854 Rancher

Is there any conservative cause that won't be coopted by the fringe? How do we keep them out? Should we just give up?

See #867

877 Wendya  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:28:45pm

re: #869 Archimedes

Is that what he meant?

I imagine so. That's certainly not something I got out of the book.

878 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:28:54pm

re: #854 Rancher

Is there any conservative cause that won't be coopted by the fringe? How do we keep them out? Should we just give up?

* * * *
Citizens arrest of course. NOT.

You convince other people to agree with your cause or idea, you enlarge the pie.

Giving up is weak.

879 jamie  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:28:58pm

re: #859 Archimedes

I find that posting to be highly illogical.

Not the book, the Vlaams Belang-sympathizing, LGF-hating blog.

880 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:29:02pm

re: #864 nikis-knight

Oh, that's what an extremist is.

Someone better monitor me then.

No, that is not it at all. I have seen some so-called conservatives mangle the message against gay marriage into something really ugly, and I am warning against that.

881 TakeFive  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:29:18pm

re: #829 tompaineftw

I don't see why a protest must be pure and free of wackos before it can be endorsed by Lizards. That's a ridiculously high standard that will always result with inaction...

Exactly! Nothing happens until you take action. Sitting around saying "I'm not going to the party if Janey's going" will accomplish nothing. Yeah, there's some kooks, but we can weed those out as we go.

882 Elcid  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:29:31pm

re: #855 ArchangelMichael

LOL...Moron, is higher in the cognitive think/reason scale, then the "idiot" you are.

And you are.

883 Aye Pod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:29:32pm

re: #840 cagney

Wishbone

Not sure if you tune into this site anymore,I'm sure you said your home team was Liverpool. Us Jocks thoughts are with you on the 20th anniversary.

I'll add myself to that, cagney. It still pisses me off to think of the disgusting way the papers exploited that tragedy.

884 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:29:53pm

re: #801 CyanSnowHawk

Agree. It would be better if we could manage to restrict how congress critters set their districts.

There's a very simple, fair way to allocate districts mathematically that ensures they have equal population without regard to the distribution of political affiliations. Look up "Voronoi Diagrams" if you're interested. It completely removes partisan tinkering from such matters. If such a scheme were adopted, districts would be redrawn with each population tally - every ten years, coupled to the census. This removes districting even further from the political realm.

All of this is another thing that is never, ever going to happen.

885 LrdGrizzly  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:29:58pm

"I think they’ve been coopted to a large extent by Ron Paul nuts"

Charles I think I made a big mistake voting for John McCain. I wish I HAD voted for Ron Paul. I doubt he would be spending my hard earned money as fast as Obama and the Democrats in Congress.

886 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:30:23pm

re: #857 capitalist piglet

We don't need kooks to get anyone's attention, and we don't want them. It's shocking enough for politicians to see people with jobs and minivans in the streets.

* * * *
Actually, POLITICIANS are still on their Congressional Spring Break of a week or two.

887 USBeast  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:30:42pm

Greetings Lizards. Anyone else file for an extension today?

888 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:30:42pm

re: #846 mikalm

That is a truly despicable sign.

My signs are simple
"READ the bill before you sign it"
"I Pay Taxes, Spend it Wisely"

889 Colonel Panik  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:30:50pm

re: #846 mikalm

That is a truly despicable sign.

That "sign" is photoshopped. Look at it closely.

890 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:31:04pm

Went to the one in Annapolis. It was too f***in' cold and rainy. I'll call 250-300 tops who actually were determined to stay there, but lots of stragglers walking up, staying a few mins, then leaving. That was @ 12:30ish.

Didn't see any Nirther signs, but I only stayed about 30 mins, took 5-10 pics, a couple of Paulbots with signs. One of them didn't have an umbrella and his sign read "Obama redistributed my umbrella" on one side and "Ron Paul was right" on the other.

One guy was driving around in a truck with panels on the side, one side said "Homosexuality is a sin - that will kill" as the main theme, the other side wasn't quite as bad, but I got pics of both sides. It was quite awful, IMO, and by far the worst thing there I saw.

Besides those 2, mostly the signs were tame. A few "Chains we can believe in" and "trickle up poverty" signs, stuff like that. Nothing like I thought I'd see if I watched MSNBC.

They had a boat in the harbor toting around a smaller boat with boxes
labeled tea, and one gentleman dressed as a colonial riding a Segway !

All in all, I wasn't there long enough for a good evaluation, but the weather was awful, surely had an effect, and it was a very respectful protest while I was there.
I'll upload some of those pics tonight and e-mail them to Charles, he can do with them what he wants.

891 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:31:23pm

re: #849 Jimmah

I was much impressed with this: Ayn Rands message to the GOP candidates:


[Video]

Oh yeah, I saw that a few days ago. It may have been linked from LGF. Yes, she was brilliant at cutting through the clutter and seeing the big picture.

892 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:31:33pm

re: #765 HoosierHoops

He should have filed for an extension

Ohhhh ... exTENSION.

Dayum.

I thought it was funny that he filed for exECUTION.

Sorry. Mah bad.

/public schools mutter grumble

893 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:31:54pm

re: #885 LrdGrizzly

"I think they’ve been coopted to a large extent by Ron Paul nuts"

Charles I think I made a big mistake voting for John McCain. I wish I HAD voted for Ron Paul. I doubt he would be spending my hard earned money as fast as Obama and the Democrats in Congress.

Ron Paul had other problems. There is more than one path to destruction.

894 Bloodnok  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:31:55pm

On my walk home I pass the Boston Waterfront. It was either a separate group from the one at the State House or they changed venues. I checked the water to see if they threw teabags into the harbor or something that would land them in trouble, but they were well behaved. A few Paulians with signs (and doubtless more in the ranks) but it was much more restrained than I thought it would be. I'm still not comfortable with the Ron Paul aspect of this, though. Good idea or no I do not wish for that group to have anything to do with the Republican Party mainstream.

895 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:31:57pm

re: #871 mikalm

He's referring to the blog, not the book, Spock.

Thanks, Captain.

896 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:31:57pm

re: #885 LrdGrizzly

"I think they’ve been coopted to a large extent by Ron Paul nuts"

Charles I think I made a big mistake voting for John McCain. I wish I HAD voted for Ron Paul. I doubt he would be spending my hard earned money as fast as Obama and the Democrats in Congress.

Of course he wouldn't be spending your money because he stood absolutely no chance of winning. A vote for Ron Paul was a vote for Obama.

897 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:31:58pm

re: #885 LrdGrizzly

"I think they’ve been coopted to a large extent by Ron Paul nuts"

Charles I think I made a big mistake voting for John McCain. I wish I HAD voted for Ron Paul. I doubt he would be spending my hard earned money as fast as Obama and the Democrats in Congress.


Don't lose sleep over it. Your vote would not have swayed anything.

898 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:32:05pm

re: #872 Catttt

Shares of letters of marque. Sounds like he wants the USA to have privateers. Not gonna happen.

Heard a rumor today that Obama and Hillary are going to order the pirates' assets be frozen?

899 SpaceJesus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:32:08pm

re: #872 Catttt

Shares of letters of marque. Sounds like he wants the USA to have privateers. Not gonna happen.

of course not, ron paul is insane. however, who could say no to swash buckling around africa

900 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:32:14pm

YIKES,

Pres. Obama WILL ATTEND the Durbin UN Race meeting after all. Per Fox News.

Ahmedinejad will attend.

The UN has misspent over 26 MILLION US TAX DOLLARS given them to use in Afghanistan...

901 jollyfatman  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:32:43pm

Hey all,

Just returned from the Colorado Springs Tea Party, where they talked from 11 to about 2. During lunch I was told the park(a block square) was jammed with people. I'm not too sure at times who a kook is supposed to be, but I saw two college kids(CSU is up the street) claiming everyone was Republicans and getting laughed at, One guy with a "Don't blame me I voted for Ron Paul" sign, and three anarchists that I finally saw on the steps at city hall after folks walked over from the park. While I was there there was easily 1-3 thousand people and if the park was full during lunch then possibly 5-10 thousand people attended.

I know for sure channel 11 was there as I walked by the cameraman. Not sure about the other local stations.

While in front of city hall, there were a few hundred that made the 1 block walk and they were getting lots of cars honking their horns as they drove by.

If this is co-opting and taking over by fringe groups, then I appear to be in fine company.

JFM

902 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:32:49pm

re: #868 acwgusa

Congratulations on not getting it, at all.

So do you think the tea parties are a good idea, or not?

I read your post.

904 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:33:02pm
905 mikalm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:33:08pm

re: #889 Colonel Panik

That "sign" is photoshopped. Look at it closely.

Right you are. I guess I've just gotten so used to utterly-batsh!t protest rhetoric, living in the Bay Area as I do, that I automatically assumed it was for real.

906 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:33:10pm

re: #899 SpaceJesus

of course not, ron paul is insane. however, who could say no to swash buckling around africa

I think it would be awesome, and yes, Dr. Paul is out there a bit.

907 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:33:11pm

re: #887 USBeast

Greetings Lizards. Anyone else file for an extension today?

No, I just bought the pills.

908 Aye Pod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:33:14pm

Dinner time...cyas.

909 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:33:35pm

re: #852 Timbre

I am 99% sure I heard a radio station in Midland, TX, promote a local tea party and mention the John Birch Society of Midland in the same sentence. I may be wrong. Maybe I am mixing two endorsements (not paid commercials). But I don't think so. If I am wrong I will say so.

Like I said. This is attracting a wide spectrum of Americans. Many Amercians, including John Birchers, do not like seeing their freedoms abridged.

910 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:33:45pm

re: #901 jollyfatman

Hey all,

Just returned from the Colorado Springs Tea Party, where they talked from 11 to about 2. During lunch I was told the park(a block square) was jammed with people. I'm not too sure at times who a kook is supposed to be, but I saw two college kids(CSU is up the street) claiming everyone was Republicans and getting laughed at, One guy with a "Don't blame me I voted for Ron Paul" sign, and three anarchists that I finally saw on the steps at city hall after folks walked over from the park. While I was there there was easily 1-3 thousand people and if the park was full during lunch then possibly 5-10 thousand people attended.

I know for sure channel 11 was there as I walked by the cameraman. Not sure about the other local stations.

While in front of city hall, there were a few hundred that made the 1 block walk and they were getting lots of cars honking their horns as they drove by.

If this is co-opting and taking over by fringe groups, then I appear to be in fine company.

JFM

Extremist.

/DHS

911 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:33:46pm

re: #886 alegrias

* * * *
Actually, POLITICIANS are still on their Congressional Spring Break of a week or two.

Good. Then they're watching it on television.

912 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:34:08pm

re: #879 jamie

Not the book, the Vlaams Belang-sympathizing, LGF-hating blog.

Thanks for the clarification. I'm not up to speed on the blog, I guess.

913 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:34:17pm

re: #904 sixgunsamori

No hate mail to post, no questioning of instincts, just a simple "bye". I'm sure someone else will happily fill my post in the ranks of lizard-dom, and welcome. Its a shame, but I find the usefulness far outweighed by the constant niggling over meaningless minutiae. Good day to all.

Racist.

/

914 Cato  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:34:23pm

re: #831 Archimedes

I remember reading Atlas when the Soviet Union was crumbling. It was 2:00 am and I was reading a passage about grain rotting in trains. I had CNN on in the background and they were discussing grain rotting in trains in the old Soviet Union. From that moment on it was love.

915 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:34:24pm

re: #899 SpaceJesus

of course not, ron paul is insane. however, who could say no to swash buckling around africa

you could go swish buckling, nttawwt

916 Wendya  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:34:27pm

re: #887 USBeast

Greetings Lizards. Anyone else file for an extension today?

Nope, I bit the bullet and paid federal, 941s, state and SE taxes today.

Maybe that's why I'm not really in the mood to be told it's silly to protest. If some of the people snickering behind their hands had to write the check for their own payroll taxes instead of having automatic deductions taken, there would be millions of people taking to the streets.

917 USBeast  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:34:33pm

re: #907 OldLineTexan

No, I just bought the pills.

I couldn't afford the pills. Had one stamp left.

918 Zack  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:34:42pm

Youtube Video>Anderson Cooper: 'It's hard to talk when you're teabagging'...

919 mikalm  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:34:44pm

re: #904 sixgunsamori

If it ain't for you, it ain't for you. Best wishes.

920 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:35:00pm

re: #902 astronmr20

I think the Tea Parties are a message, not a method. That message gets co-opted by the fringe. The minute we don't toss people like Pat Buchanan, the nuttier Paul supporters, out of the party, and denounce them, the more the extremes get associated with the mainstream.

921 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:35:20pm

re: #867 Ringo the Gringo

Who ever pulls the permits for a demonstration gets to decide who speaks on the stage. The best way to deal with the kooks at future protests is for responsible groups to apply for the permit and then use the platform not only to promote the cause responsibly, but also to denounce the nuts (Paulians, Troofers, militias, Posse Comitatus, etc) from the stage and make it clear that they are not welcome.

Sounds like you've put together a few Obama rallies.

922 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:36:17pm

re: #887 USBeast

Greetings Lizards. Anyone else file for an extension today?

I owed some couple hundred over $4,000. I started to ask for an extension but I sucked it up and wrote the check. The IRS hates single folks with no home or kids.

923 nikis-knight  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:36:17pm

re: #906 Catttt

I think it would be awesome, and yes, Dr. Paul is out there a bit.

If I wasn't married, with a daughter, and if I had a boat, and some high tech weaponry, and enough money to stock and crew a vessel... I'd totally be a pirate hunter.

924 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:36:18pm

re: #771 Occasional Reader

So those "measures I support but which if I mention them here will get me banned" you alluded to earlier are... supporting term limits?!

Hmmm.

I don't know why you are so intent in starting an argument with me today. You've tried a number of times.

I support ANYTHING that upsets the status quo in American politics, from term limits to all the rights that the first two amendments afford me if needed.

I support ANYTHING that will derail the "business as usual" model of American politics and force the American politician to stop and take notice that he or she are where they are because we put them there.

If you think the current "rules" that American politicians play by are workable, fair and constitutional, fine, then you work with in that model.

I don't, and I am willing to examine and consider all legal means to stop the current trends, the current direction, the current way that American politicians do their business.

Does that clear anything up for you?

925 Idle Drifter  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:36:25pm

re: #904 sixgunsamori

This guy hardly posted at all for over 2 years. So why mellow drama?

926 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:36:29pm

re: #839 SpaceJesus

ron paul might be bat-shit insane, but this sounds pretty awesome actually

[Link: www.politico.com...]

HA! The list is pretty short to find a lizard that claims to be so smart..to post..I found a good and half way lucid Ron Paul idea! How is that Socrates thing working out for you?
Dear Space...
This is a Job for the United States Navy and our leadership to step up to the plate..Maybe 200 years ago you hired out cut throats to kill cut throats.. I prefer to live in 2009 thank you.
Any other cool Ron links?

927 LrdGrizzly  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:37:22pm

I went to the protest here in Venice Florida. Nice crowd. Easily 500+. Good speeches and great signs.

928 Rancher  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:37:31pm

re: #878 alegrias

* * * *
Citizens arrest of course. NOT.

You convince other people to agree with your cause or idea, you enlarge the pie.

Giving up is weak.


I think a huge pie of people were on board with the Tea Parties. Yet we have "ambivalence".


re: #867 Ringo the Gringo

Who ever pulls the permits for a demonstration gets to decide who speaks on the stage. The best way to deal with the kooks at future protests is for responsible groups to apply for the permit and then use the platform not only to promote the cause responsibly, but also to denounce the nuts (Paulians, Troofers, militias, Posse Comitatus, etc) from the stage and make it clear that they are not welcome.

So why wasn't this done, or was it?

929 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:37:35pm

re: #918 Zack

Anderson Cooper: 'It's hard to talk when you're teabagging'...

he should know too

930 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:37:38pm

re: #884 SixDegrees

There's a very simple, fair way to allocate districts mathematically that ensures they have equal population without regard to the distribution of political affiliations. Look up "Voronoi Diagrams" if you're interested. It completely removes partisan tinkering from such matters. If such a scheme were adopted, districts would be redrawn with each population tally - every ten years, coupled to the census. This removes districting even further from the political realm.

All of this is another thing that is never, ever going to happen.

I like your description of the proper way to allocate districts. And while the cynical part of me understands your last statement, I think that cynicism should't override fighting for what's right. And manipulation of these districts is precisely that, manipulation to get a predetermined outcome. That idea needs to be fought.

931 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:38:33pm

re: #920 acwgusa

I think the Tea Parties are a message, not a method. That message gets co-opted by the fringe. The minute we don't toss people like Pat Buchanan, the nuttier Paul supporters, out of the party, and denounce them, the more the extremes get associated with the mainstream.

* * *
Code Pinkos don't define all democrats to me. Nor are "we" (whoever we are here) defined by fringe nuts.

932 OldLineTexan  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:38:58pm

re: #918 Zack

Anderson Cooper: 'It's hard to talk when you're teabagging'...

That depends on ... oh, nevermind.

933 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:38:59pm

Hi Walter.

934 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:39:14pm

re: #920 acwgusa

I think the Tea Parties are a message, not a method. That message gets co-opted by the fringe. The minute we don't toss people like Pat Buchanan, the nuttier Paul supporters, out of the party, and denounce them, the more the extremes get associated with the mainstream.

What the hell do you mean "let?"

Those assholes are present at the republican primaries too, remember? How do you propose we "not let" them show up to a rally or glom on to events or movements?

935 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:39:25pm

re: #922 Afrocity

I owed some couple hundred over $4,000. I started to ask for an extension but I sucked it up and wrote the check. The IRS hates single folks with no home or kids.

* * * *
Get yourself a home this year my friend. You deserve one!

936 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:39:37pm

re: #931 alegrias

* * *
Code Pinkos don't define all democrats to me. Nor are "we" (whoever we are here) defined by fringe nuts.

Unfortunately, we are not the ones who are doing the defining.

937 USBeast  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:39:41pm

re: #916 Wendya

Nope, I bit the bullet and paid federal, 941s, state and SE taxes today.

Maybe that's why I'm not really in the mood to be told it's silly to protest. If some of the people snickering behind their hands had to write the check for their own payroll taxes instead of having automatic deductions taken, there would be millions of people taking to the streets.

I had to file for an extension. I bought the H&R Block do it yourself and the results seemed screwy, plus I could not get the state software to download. Tried the online service I used last year and those bozo's had me OWING money to the Feds! I'm going to have to bite the bullet and get a pro to look at it. I wonder if H&R Block will review their own results for free.

938 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:39:44pm

Here's what Paul Bagala thinks of the whole Tea Party day...

"That a bunch of overpaid media millionaires would lead a faux-populist revolt is comical. They somehow held their populist instincts in check as George W. Bush and the Republicans cut taxes on the idle rich and put the screws to the working stiffs."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

939 capitalist piglet  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:39:52pm

re: #920 acwgusa

I think the Tea Parties are a message, not a method. That message gets co-opted by the fringe. The minute we don't toss people like Pat Buchanan, the nuttier Paul supporters, out of the party, and denounce them, the more the extremes get associated with the mainstream.

Do you think today's message was co-opted by the fringe (so far)? It seems to me to be resonating loud and clear.

940 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:40:09pm

re: #835 acwgusa

"We on the right need to define ourselves not in extreme right of social conservatism, (i.e. opposing gay marriage, abortion, fundamentalist beliefs to an extreme degree)"

Please define Extreme.
I oppose gay marriage.
I oppose abortion (especially third term abortion)
I believe in God and the Bible.

Any of those three are considered 'extreme' in some circles.
Clarifying:
I do not hate Gays (have gay friends and relatives)
I do not hate a woman who is scared and stuck who may have an abortion but I despise a woman who uses abortion as a form of birth control
I will not defend my right to believe in God and the commandments He has given us.

941 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:40:16pm

Speaking of signs at rally's my favorite is one I saw at AfroCity's blog. It said "Honk if you're paying my Mortgage"
LOL.......

942 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:40:20pm

re: #933 Afrocity

Hi Walter.

Hi. I hope today fines you in a better mood than I have been in.

943 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:40:30pm

re: #887 USBeast

Greetings Lizards. Anyone else file for an extension today?

Something that should be noted, if you owe, it is still due today. Filing an extension does nothing to get around that.

944 astronmr20  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:40:37pm

re: #938 Walter L. Newton

Here's what Paul Bagala thinks of the whole Tea Party day...

"That a bunch of overpaid media millionaires would lead a faux-populist revolt is comical. They somehow held their populist instincts in check as George W. Bush and the Republicans cut taxes on the idle rich and put the screws to the working stiffs."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Wow. I thought higher of Paul Begala.

Never again.

945 SpaceJesus  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:40:58pm

re: #926 HoosierHoops

HA! The list is pretty short to find a lizard that claims to be so smart..to post..I found a good and half way lucid Ron Paul idea! How is that Socrates thing working out for you?
Dear Space...
This is a Job for the United States Navy and our leadership to step up to the plate..Maybe 200 years ago you hired out cut throats to kill cut throats.. I prefer to live in 2009 thank you.
Any other cool Ron links?

I've been having a blast over at the daily paul, so many links. it's basically a cornucopia of crazy.

946 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:41:30pm

re: #945 SpaceJesus

I've been having a blast over at the daily paul, so many links. it's basically a cornucopia of crazy.

You should feel right at home.

947 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:42:08pm

re: #900 alegrias


Durban II - no surprise there

The UN has not misspent any money. Its, um, in the wrong lockbox.

/

948 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:42:15pm

re: #938 Walter L. Newton

Here's what Paul Bagala thinks of the whole Tea Party day...

"That a bunch of overpaid media millionaires would lead a faux-populist revolt is comical. They somehow held their populist instincts in check as George W. Bush and the Republicans cut taxes on the idle rich and put the screws to the working stiffs."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Here's what LGoPS thinks of Paul Begala...."Fuck you, Paul"

949 Rancher  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:42:16pm

re: #931 alegrias

* * *
Code Pinkos don't define all democrats to me. Nor are "we" (whoever we are here) defined by fringe nuts.

They sure hurt them. It didn't help giving Micheal Moore a prominent place at the convention either. My liberal friends cringe when I bring up their kooks just as we do with ours.

950 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:42:17pm

re: #920 acwgusa

I think the Tea Parties are a message, not a method. That message gets co-opted by the fringe. The minute we don't toss people like Pat Buchanan, the nuttier Paul supporters, out of the party, and denounce them, the more the extremes get associated with the mainstream.

If that happens, then the MFMSM will start "creating" another group of extremists, until there's absolutely no voices remaining on the right.

951 Colonel Panik  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:42:22pm

re: #938 Walter L. Newton

Paul Begala is an asshole. I'd say what I think he needs but my post would be deleted for inciting violence.

952 Rancher  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:42:59pm

re: #935 alegrias

* * * *
Get yourself a home this year my friend. You deserve one!

Best time in a long time to buy a home.

953 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:43:15pm

re: #905 mikalm

Right you are. I guess I've just gotten so used to utterly-batsh!t protest rhetoric, living in the Bay Area as I do, that I automatically assumed it was for real.

Um - I'm looking at it closely, and I'm not seeing any evidence of tampering.

If you're referring to the grainy "blockieness" around the letters, that is an artifact of JPEG compression. It shows up all the time when areas of sharp contrast - like lettering - are compressed. It screws up the DCT used to perform the compression.

But perhaps the OP was referring to something else. I'm not seeing any other signs of photoshopping, though.

954 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:43:26pm

re: #942 Walter L. Newton

Hi. I hope today fines you in a better mood than I have been in.

No wonder you're in a crappy mood, if you get fined for being in a better one.

955 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:43:28pm

re: #936 acwgusa

Unfortunately, we are not the ones who are doing the defining.

* * * *
Many media outlets who tried to define all republicans or conservatives as fringey people, are going bankrupt.

Good riddance to bad reporting and bad defining & mocking of people they didn't like or agree with.

956 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:43:40pm

re: #922 Afrocity

I owed some couple hundred over $4,000. I started to ask for an extension but I sucked it up and wrote the check. The IRS hates single folks with no home or kids.

Tell me about it! :p

957 TimC  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:43:54pm

I was at the SF one. Most people were not kooks, and people with Ron Paul affiliation didn't seem like kooks, either (there wasn't organized group with "revolution" signs or anything like that). There was one birth certificate guy (he was at the tiny 4/1 TP too) but in general it seemed like a good mix with few from the fringe.

I'm rather disappointed in the "the nuts will hijack the movement" tone I'm getting from Charles and others; Jesus, at least people from the non-far-left are saying something for a change.

958 Beller0ph1  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:44:04pm

re: #72 jcm

That's what I saw at first glance. But knowing her, it probably says "Tax the Poor". Which is funny, because that's exactly what raising taxes on businesses does. Businesses don't pay taxes, they just pass the costs onto the consumer.

959 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:44:16pm

Liquor store in downtown Annapolis also had a great sign over there store.

Navy- 1
Pirates - 0

960 Catttt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:44:17pm

re: #932 OldLineTexan

That depends on ... oh, nevermind.

See, I know what you were going to say. I thought the exact same thing when I read that remark. I think perhaps Mr. Cooper has not teabagged, or he would know that. Ahem.

961 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:44:29pm

re: #828 rusty_armor

I note that the Democratic Party did pretty well by NOT marginalizing its kooks.

The dems didn't do well, the repubs just didn't do.

962 callahan23  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:45:42pm

re: #959 SasquatchOnSteroids

Liquor store in downtown Annapolis also had a great sign over there store.

Navy- 1 3
Pirates - 0


Corrected that for them!

963 Rancher  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:45:45pm

re: #938 Walter L. Newton

Here's what Paul Bagala thinks of the whole Tea Party day...

"That a bunch of overpaid media millionaires would lead a faux-populist revolt is comical. They somehow held their populist instincts in check as George W. Bush and the Republicans cut taxes on the idle rich and put the screws to the working stiffs."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

I hope they think this is a "a faux-populist revolt", the results in 2010 will be marvelous.

964 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:45:48pm

re: #954 CyanSnowHawk

No wonder you're in a crappy mood, if you get fined for being in a better one.

Well thank you grammar nazi :)

965 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:46:00pm

re: #933 Afrocity

Took a gander at your new blog.
Congratulations. Hope it works out for you.
My mom worked at housekeeping and waitressing for years and years. Now retired. Much of the same kind of background (I was never in a 'gifted' class - too lazy)

966 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:46:10pm

re: #938 Walter L. Newton

Here's what Paul Bagala thinks of the whole Tea Party day...

"That a bunch of overpaid media millionaires would lead a faux-populist revolt is comical. They somehow held their populist instincts in check as George W. Bush and the Republicans cut taxes on the idle rich and put the screws to the working stiffs."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Paul Begala is a turd in the toilet bowl that is the "progressive" movement. Him and his reptilian buddy, Jim Carville both make me want to puke every time I hear their whiny little voices screech out the daily liberal talking points. He is about as polarizing as polarizing can get. So, I hope you will all join me in giving him a hearty and heartfelt - F*ck You

967 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:46:26pm

re: #934 astronmr20

What the hell do you mean "let?"

Those assholes are present at the republican primaries too, remember? How do you propose we "not let" them show up to a rally or glom on to events or movements?


re: #940 Eowyn2

"We on the right need to define ourselves not in extreme right of social conservatism, (i.e. opposing gay marriage, abortion, fundamentalist beliefs to an extreme degree)"

Please define Extreme.
I oppose gay marriage.
I oppose abortion (especially third term abortion)
I believe in God and the Bible.

Any of those three are considered 'extreme' in some circles.
Clarifying:
I do not hate Gays (have gay friends and relatives)
I do not hate a woman who is scared and stuck who may have an abortion but I despise a woman who uses abortion as a form of birth control
I will not defend my right to believe in God and the commandments He has given us.

Mainly, I was thinking of Huckabee strains of extremity, replacing the Constitution with a theocracy.

968 Desert Dog  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:46:34pm

re: #948 LGoPs

Here's what LGoPS thinks of Paul Begala...."Fuck you, Paul"

GMTA, I was too slow to tell him off! lol

969 godfrey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:46:45pm

they’ve been coopted to a large extent

That remains to be determined. There's a fight on, as there always is, for claiming the mantle of this decentralized movement. I don't see a clear one emerging. If the crazies predominate in it, I'll remove myself from it and more.

But right now, in my town, I don't see crazies. I was at the tea party downtown (~150 people), and I didn't see obvious John Birchers, for example. No Paulians either. YMMV.

970 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:47:14pm

I went to the Denver Tea Party. I walked all over the place taking photos. and yes - I am a protest virgin. I was fascinated with the home-made signs, because there were lots of them. Folks are very creative with them, and I think it's fine to mock our elected officials (just so long as it doesn't get kooky). I really wanted to find out if the crowd was full of nutty Ron Paul supporters or any other unsavory characters so I hiked all over the hill -- side to side and up and down.
Ron Paul Report:
There was one (1) Ron Paul supporter. He got around with his little wooden Ron Paul sign. He was a young hippie who looked like he hadn't showered since his last anti-war protest circa George W. Bush. He was the ONLY open Ron Paul supporter I witnessed. The anti-abortion folks were at the bottom of the hill - and they had a truck with the image of a dead baby on it - that kept circling and honking. It was mostly ignored. I would assume the anti-abortion folks show up at any protest... It's not just a tea party thing. There were a surprising number of kids. The crowd was very calm and everyone was very polite. The speakers (which included Jon Caldera) were difficult to hear unless you were standing fairly close. I missed much of the speechifying. I was able to listen to a woman speak near the end and she was fine - no crazy talk. Tons of flags and folks wearing patriotic gear. All in all, not really too crazy.

971 SixDegrees  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:47:20pm

re: #930 LGoPs

I like your description of the proper way to allocate districts. And while the cynical part of me understands your last statement, I think that cynicism should't override fighting for what's right. And manipulation of these districts is precisely that, manipulation to get a predetermined outcome. That idea needs to be fought.

I agree that it's always worth the fight. I'm realistic, though, about the outcome.

972 TimC  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:47:30pm

Ah, and I just saw Zombie's post above; I didn't see any evidence of blatant anarchist/racist etc groups; let alone any confrontations between groups. The most I noticed was an idiot on the sidewalk calling the protesters "fascists," when in fact that's what the more perceptive protesters were protesting (since Bush/Obama interference with banks etc is by definition fascism, not socialism).

I look forward to/hope Zombie has an "official" Zombie report; I'd of course be interested if I missed something. But, for now, I have to say the reasoning for ambivalence appears to be somewhat overwrought.

973 alegrias  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:47:56pm

Charles Krauthammer is pointing out the bailouts were necessary and that Geithner is not socialist.

He seemed to think it's ok to Tea Party against Taxes of the big fat kind.

974 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:48:00pm

re: #964 Walter L. Newton

Well thank you grammar nazi :)

Zat ist spellink nazi, und you had better acknowledge me az zuch!

975 acwgusa  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:48:19pm

re: #955 alegrias

* * * *
Many media outlets who tried to define all republicans or conservatives as fringey people, are going bankrupt.

Good riddance to bad reporting and bad defining & mocking of people they didn't like or agree with.

The problem is, we are about 8 years behind, and not exactly catching up.

976 Timbre  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:48:28pm

re: #909 Soona'

The Birchers are Americans. That is a given. That doesn't mean I have to accept an alliance with them for any cause, including the defense of freedom.

977 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:49:06pm

Last month I went to my county's Biennial Republican Convention. Over half of those attending were there for the first time. The old timers seemed (almost) annoyed that some of the positions on the Executive Committee and the Central Committee required ballot elections because more than one person wanted to serve. That meeting was where I heard of our local Tea Party, which was being organized by nascent Republicans. The Party itself did not get involved, though.

I did a pedal-by of the local Tea Party. I can't say the crowd was not scruffy-looking, but at least they did not smell of patchouli. (Everybody is scruffy-looking around here, except on Sunday.) The turn-out was good, maybe 30 people. (Hey, it's a small town.) Nice signs, and some "Honk if You're Mad" action on the corner.

The meeting last month means a lot more to me than the protest today. Those are the people who are going to send the emails, make the phone calls, recruit the candidates, and win some elections. The new Chairman sent out an email today. He did not mention the Tea Parties, he mentioned the complete compilation of all the registered Republicans, the precinct breakdowns given to the Ward Chairmen, and the next meeting. I'm excited.

978 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:49:07pm

re: #957 TimC

I was at the SF one. Most people were not kooks, and people with Ron Paul affiliation didn't seem like kooks, either (there wasn't organized group with "revolution" signs or anything like that). There was one birth certificate guy (he was at the tiny 4/1 TP too) but in general it seemed like a good mix with few from the fringe.

I'm rather disappointed in the "the nuts will hijack the movement" tone I'm getting from Charles and others; Jesus, at least people from the non-far-left are saying something for a change.

Upding for you too.

979 Pupdawg  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:49:15pm

Charles,

I humbly disagree with your position on these events.

The reaction or lack there of of the MSM in 'covering' these peaceful protests all over the country is proof enough for me that they have had an impact and are definitely worthy of the effort. These peaceful assemblies and protests can be the impetus for success in the future as conservatives nationwide come together to show their disgust and disapproval of the spending policies already set in place by President Obama, his administration and the Democrat-controlled Congress. I assure you many Democrats looking for votes soon are very worried. We may see a 'change' in some of these Senators and Representatives that really gives us 'hope.'

We are and have been inundated by the left with protest after protest with ample MSM coverage which uses such events to further spread a shared agenda in many cases. Now, with these Tea Parties, the MSM and progressives are suddenly offended at such a display of discontent by thousands upon thousands of concerned citizens who just happen to be conservatives. God help us if any Christians are involved! We, as conservatives, do have a voice whether that voice receives fair and balanced coverage or not. We need a national leader to champion our cause. Maybe these protests will convince such a leader to step forward and answer the bell. If so, these protests will be seen as a defining moment for the conservative movement and a huge, key ingredient in the recipe for success.

How could any conservative not see this or at minimum embrace such a bold step of solidarity? Kooks exist in all walks of life. They are, more times than not, in the dirty bath water with the baby...we should not let the kooks spoil the cleansing.

980 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:49:16pm

re: #965 Eowyn2

Took a gander at your new blog.
Congratulations. Hope it works out for you.
My mom worked at housekeeping and waitressing for years and years. Now retired. Much of the same kind of background (I was never in a 'gifted' class - too lazy)

That approach--underachieving gifted kids are not really gifted--drives me CRAZY as a teacher. Gifted education, or at least teaching techniques that engage gifted students, is NOT a reward but the level of instruction that they are entitled to.

981 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:49:29pm

re: #922 Afrocity

I owed some couple hundred over $4,000. I started to ask for an extension but I sucked it up and wrote the check. The IRS hates single folks with no home or kids.

I bought a hovel this year.
But it is my hovel.
I hope to have it completely remodeled by the time I die.
20 year plan.

982 Colonel Panik  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:50:16pm

Speaking of the whole Texas Sovereignty/Secession meme, I just went to accuweather.com and they've got an ad with T. Bone Burnett promoting Texas music and tourism with the slogan: "Texas: It's like a whole other country!"

LOL.

983 Afrocity  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:50:19pm

re: #965 Eowyn2

Took a gander at your new blog.
Congratulations. Hope it works out for you.
My mom worked at housekeeping and waitressing for years and years. Now retired. Much of the same kind of background (I was never in a 'gifted' class - too lazy)

The term young, gifted and black was dumb.

All kids are gifted.

984 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:51:04pm

re: #967 acwgusa

Extremism - has been defined down.
It has recently been used to define anyone not jumping on the obama bandwagon.

985 Silvergirl  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:51:39pm

I'm just listening to Krauthammer and though I don't have this word perfect, the meat of what he said is that the difference between the tea party then and the one now is that the present protest is about taxation with representation. We have a government ready to use the tax code to confiscate as much of your earnings as possible. He said a positive to come of these gatherings is that they are letting the administration know there is a constituency strong and energetic that opposes the spending.

986 avanti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:52:10pm

re: #958 Beller0ph1

That's what I saw at first glance. But knowing her, it probably says "Tax the Poor". Which is funny, because that's exactly what raising taxes on businesses does. Businesses don't pay taxes, they just pass the costs onto the consumer.

I was a small business owner with 8 employees and gross sales of a bit over a million a year and I never could afford to pay myself even one forth of the $250,000 that would get me the 3% increase coming in 2011. I would get the tax cut like most of you. It takes a pretty big small business to make a quarter million and only a small percentage do.

987 Archimedes  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:52:24pm

re: #951 Colonel Panik

Paul Begala is an asshole. I'd say what I think he needs but my post would be deleted for inciting violence.

He's always been very biased politically. I've never had much use for him.

988 Eowyn2  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:54:14pm

re: #983 Afrocity

From an old, white, ungifted person:
Saying you are "young, gifted, and black" is not dumb. It merely points out that you are young, intelligent, and melanin enhanced:)

989 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:54:20pm

re: #983 Afrocity

Hi neighbor! I have a great idea for your blog...Let's chat tomorrow..

990 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:54:25pm

Lurking device off.

There is a reason to be skeptical about these tea parties.

Lurking device on

991 KingKenrod  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:54:30pm

re: #938 Walter L. Newton

Here's what Paul Bagala thinks of the whole Tea Party day...

"That a bunch of overpaid media millionaires would lead a faux-populist revolt is comical. They somehow held their populist instincts in check as George W. Bush and the Republicans cut taxes on the idle rich and put the screws to the working stiffs."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Begala started that column by stating that the govt only asks something from us on April 15. Actually, the government asks for everything I earn from Jan 1 to April 13, which is "Tax Freedom day" (2009). You could drive a truck through any argument Begala makes, but he's great motivation for opposing anything on the left.

992 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:54:37pm

re: #979 Pupdawg

Charles,

I humbly disagree with your position on these events.

The reaction or lack there of of the MSM in 'covering' these peaceful protests all over the country is proof enough for me that they have had an impact and are definitely worthy of the effort...

Your lead argument is flawed. What the MSM does or doesn't cover, or the way they cover it, does not mean anything.

It's not even 24 hours into this, and you say they've had an impact. How can you say that? Did you already do some poll? Do you already have the results of the elections in 2010?

You don't know if they are worthy of the effort, except to say that it could help, may hurt, who really know.

Gee, hyperbole rules, huh.

993 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:54:48pm

re: #985 Silvergirl

I'm just listening to Krauthammer and though I don't have this word perfect, the meat of what he said is that the difference between the tea party then and the one now is that the present protest is about taxation with representation. We have a government ready to use the tax code to confiscate as much of your earnings as possible. He said a positive to come of these gatherings is that they are letting the administration know there is a constituency strong and energetic that opposes the spending.


That is precisely why these protests should be held, imperfect as they may be. We are already largely silenced by the media. It is healthy to let the governemnt know that there is an opposition out there and not just the mealy mouthed, candy assed opposition that we too often present in the congress.

994 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:55:08pm

re: #885 LrdGrizzly

"I think they’ve been coopted to a large extent by Ron Paul nuts"

Charles I think I made a big mistake voting for John McCain. I wish I HAD voted for Ron Paul. I doubt he would be spending my hard earned money as fast as Obama and the Democrats in Congress.

What are you saying? Had you voted for Paul, maybe the outcome would have been different?
Or did you just lose your train of thought mid-sentence?

995 Noam Chumpski  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:55:18pm

Like it or not, the failure of the Tea Parties would, at this point, be a political victory for Obama/Pelosi/Reid and their policies because they have chosen to pick sides on this thing.

I'm not ready to give him that because I agree with the spirit of the Parties more than I disagree with some Paulians who may be there as well...

996 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:55:24pm

re: #976 Timbre

The Birchers are Americans. That is a given. That doesn't mean I have to accept an alliance with them for any cause, including the defense of freedom.

Freedom does not work against itself. If it's FREEDOM we're talking about, then that goes far beyond any political ideal. I think that's what we were seeing today.

997 Stonemason  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:55:28pm

re: #979 Pupdawg

The insane spending was not started by Mr. Obama, nor will it end with the next conservative President.

These demonstrations have been hijacked by the nuts in the party, that may work on the left but it will drive true conservatives back to work instead of to the street.

998 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:55:54pm

re: #986 avanti

I was a small business owner with 8 employees and gross sales of a bit over a million a year and I never could afford to pay myself even one forth of the $250,000 that would get me the 3% increase coming in 2011. I would get the tax cut like most of you. It takes a pretty big small business to make a quarter million and only a small percentage do.

I thought you retired from the Navy as a Chief? When did you have time to fit in a million dollar business? Just asking politely

999 godfrey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:56:43pm

re: #997 Stonemason

Look at the CBO graphs. There were spikes under W, but they diminished until his last year in office, which saw another spike down.

Obama's down-spikes DWARF his predecessors', by a LOT.

1000 Boxy_brown  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:57:21pm

I went to the one in Boston this afternoon. (Had to go up there to sign off on my mothers taxes) No truthers, no Ron Paul revolutionaries, no Glen Beck lighting people on fire, no code pink. It looked to me like a group of decent people who are alarmed and fed up at what our government is doing. Whether or not it is a recipe for success is debatable but if the alternative proposed is just sitting on your ass and complaining....

Well, it was a nice walk among people waving our flag. Even sang "God bless America".

1001 DistantThunder  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:57:48pm

We have experience in organizational design, and experience running groups for group counseling and can tell you that there are 4 Stages of Group formation:

Forming
Storming
Norming
Performing

The Tea Parties are definitely in the beginning stages and these are often the most chaotic, with people promoting different agendas. This also happened in the civil rights movement and different people tried to take it in directions anathema to Martin Luther King's vision.

Wikipedia has an article that has basic definitions of the different stages. But what I'm seeing with the events is fairly common with new groups.

1002 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:57:51pm

re: #986 avanti

I was a small business owner with 8 employees and gross sales of a bit over a million a year and I never could afford to pay myself even one forth of the $250,000 that would get me the 3% increase coming in 2011. I would get the tax cut like most of you. It takes a pretty big small business to make a quarter million and only a small percentage do.

What tax cut are you talking about? % years ago I was making 82 thousand a year, and I NEVER in my whole life (I'm 56), ever owed any extra taxes, nor lie or cheated the government on the taxes I paid.

Four years ago, after being laid off from the DOE, I was making 40 thousand a year, and still, no tax problems, bills, cheating, anything.

No, I can't even find work as a computer programmer, and I am making 18 thousand. This year I owe 750 dollars, and I ain't got it right now.

Yep, all this tax stuff is certainly working.

1003 loppyd  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:57:54pm

re: #973 alegrias

Charles Krauthammer is pointing out the bailouts were necessary and that Geithner is not socialist.

He seemed to think it's ok to Tea Party against Taxes of the big fat kind.

Saw that. And Mara Liason made me warm and fuzzy when she said these protests and the threat of more of them could prevent Obama from getting his health care reform bill passed.

Note she is an NPR contributor.

1004 Soona'  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:59:29pm

re: #983 Afrocity

The term young, gifted and black was dumb.

All kids are gifted.

I wasn't. I was just a normal, rowdy, 1950's-60's kid.

1005 Adrenalyn  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:59:48pm

re: #997 Stonemason

The insane spending was not started by Mr. Obama, nor will it end with the next conservative President.

These demonstrations have been hijacked by the nuts in the party, that may work on the left but it will drive true conservatives back to work instead of to the street.

so you're letting 2-3 nuts out of a thousand tea baggers, define the rest of the right wing ?

thanks

/from the other team

1006 godfrey  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:59:58pm

re: #985 Silvergirl

Hang on. Geithner has broad powers, little accountability, and little transparency. How is that with representation? I think CK was speaking a little glibly there.

The game is to pressure the admin as quickly as possible into serving the will of the people.

Legitimacy being derived from "consent of the governed" and all.

Unless that is now viewed as quaint.

1007 Stonemason  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 3:59:59pm

re: #986 avanti

I was a small business owner with 8 employees and gross sales of a bit over a million a year and I never could afford to pay myself even one forth of the $250,000 that would get me the 3% increase coming in 2011. I would get the tax cut like most of you. It takes a pretty big small business to make a quarter million and only a small percentage do.

What about the small business that is not incorporated, where the tax id number is the ss number of the owner, like say, maybe, a Stonemason?
I admit I never hit those numbers, which is why I am no longer at it full time, but I know many who did, as well as vending machine route owners, small garage owners, landscapers, builders...

raising taxes on job creators is down-right stupid.

1008 LGoPs  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:01:29pm

re: #992 Walter L. Newton

Your lead argument is flawed. What the MSM does or doesn't cover, or the way they cover it, does not mean anything.

It's not even 24 hours into this, and you say they've had an impact. How can you say that? Did you already do some poll? Do you already have the results of the elections in 2010?

You don't know if they are worthy of the effort, except to say that it could help, may hurt, who really know.

Gee, hyperbole rules, huh.

Jeez looeez. I will say with certianty, if that's what you're looking for, that doing something is infinately better than doing nothing. Nobody knows how this will play out but it is certain that if nothing is done, then nothing will ever change. Every journey starts with a first step.

1009 avanti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:01:56pm

re: #998 HoosierHoops

I thought you retired from the Navy as a Chief? When did you have time to fit in a million dollar business? Just asking politely

No problem, I retired in my late 30's, not quite ready for the front porch. I ran the Naval Base auto hobby shop for a year or two, then a few years as a auto parts store, then my stereo store, now ebay sales.

1010 UFO TOFU  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:02:37pm

re: #980 goddessoftheclassroom

That approach--underachieving gifted kids are not really gifted--drives me CRAZY as a teacher. Gifted education, or at least teaching techniques that engage gifted students, is NOT a reward but the level of instruction that they are entitled to.

Would you consider moving to California?

1011 Stonemason  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:04:28pm

re: #999 godfrey

I wasn't referring to Bush, I was refferring to just about every stinkin' administration since the Income tax was instituted. Government spends money, we have the power to stop it, we do not.

I talked with my brother today, he lives in Murtha's district. When I ask why Murtha is reelected he simply says 'jobs'. The people in that district think if Murtha goes, the pork goes, their jobs go.

Government will constantly buy votes from the lazy, it is not an President Obama problem, it is a lazy American problem, there are a large number of them and they vote in larger numbers than do had working Americans.

1012 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:05:02pm

re: #1009 avanti

No problem, I retired in my late 30's, not quite ready for the front porch. I ran the Naval Base auto hobby shop for a year or two, then a few years as a auto parts store, then my stereo store, now ebay sales.

Got it..I thought of that when I pressed post. unfortunately Charles hasn't invented the OMG unsend that post button.
I worked at MINSY as a Nuke for 20 years..Ever TDY there?

1013 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:06:54pm

re: #1010 UFO TOFU

Would you consider moving to California?

You're very kind, but I don't think I'd last long!

1014 avanti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:07:03pm

re: #1007 Stonemason

What about the small business that is not incorporated, where the tax id number is the ss number of the owner, like say, maybe, a Stonemason?
I admit I never hit those numbers, which is why I am no longer at it full time, but I know many who did, as well as vending machine route owners, small garage owners, landscapers, builders...

raising taxes on job creators is down-right stupid.

Many small business owners are trade workers and such, but without employees. If they make that kind of money, spend the few $100 to form a chapter S. Not being a smart ass, but no ones taxes are going up until 2011, and then, only a very small percentage of the population will go up 3% to the pre Bush rate.

1015 smokefire  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:07:14pm

re: #435 alegrias

* * * *
The government isn't always right, for example when it claimed eminent domain over some people's houses, to sell the land to developers! (Kelo Decision that went to the Supreme Court.)

That lady whose house was wrongly taken was right to protest in court. Government isn't always right, and there are many levels of government.

Sanctuary cities such as those in California refuse to enforce federal immigration laws, and everyone knows it!

and the real kicker regarding Kelo V New London CT. is there is nothing on the land that they took.

1016 Pupdawg  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:09:44pm

re: #997 Stonemason

The insane spending was not started by Mr. Obama, nor will it end with the next conservative President.

These demonstrations have been hijacked by the nuts in the party, that may work on the left but it will drive true conservatives back to work instead of to the street.

You are correct that the insane spending was not started by Mr. Obama. I do think the next conservative president will be forced to deal with spending less, much less. I don't think I said it was, but since you brought it up, Mr. Obama has taken 'insane spending' to record levels and far beyond.

Which 'nuts' in the party are you speaking about? The only party I alluded to was the Democrat party. I used the term 'conservative' and not a party for them.

1017 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:11:36pm

More notes: I did see a possible nirther. She was a lone nirther with her "somewhere in Kenya a village is missing an idiot" sign. I’ll assume that’s nirther thinking.
Another negative: Possibly two skin-heads at the bottom of the hill, but I'm not sure. They were kinda creepy looking amongst the mostly normal looking crowd.

Overall, the crowd consisted of a few suit & tie business folks, young people, with a majority of older and middle-agers. No African Americans in the crowd, some Hispanics.

People seemed really pissed off about Obama's tax increases and stimulus spending. They seemed pissed because they know he is lying about taxation with his whole “95% or you are getting a tax cut” baloney . (After Bush tax cuts expire - how exactly does an ordinary hard working American get that tax cut?) People are pissed at the deception. That was the most palpable sentiment that I witnessed.
I'm not jumping onto the tea party bandwagon just yet, but I do think there isn't a thing wrong with protesting the obvious bad economic policies of our ever-growing government.

1018 avanti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:11:37pm

re: #1012 HoosierHoops

Got it..I thought of that when I pressed post. unfortunately Charles hasn't invented the OMG unsend that post button.
I worked at MINSY as a Nuke for 20 years..Ever TDY there?

I was always home ported on the east coast, never got near the west coast, but traveled under it on the way to Nam.

1019 Stonemason  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:13:39pm

re: #1014 avanti

just curious, what is the correct percentage of the money made (earned) by either an individual or an entity to be handed over to a government?

And why is it right that if someone works harder than someone else, the harder worker should pay a much larger share?

1020 ladycatnip  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:15:21pm

837 alegrias

#804 alegrias

You're right - I totally forgot about 9/11.

I worked next door to the White House at the time, at 1775 Pennyslvania Avenue, so I WILL NEVER FORGET September 11, 2001.

That was a stupid thing for me to say and in no way reflects my heart. Let me rephrase that - "I wasn't thinking of the 9/11 factor in regards to the tea bags." I also will never forget 9/11. Ever.

1021 cagney  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:16:23pm

re: #883 Jimmah

thanks Jimmah.

It's been a pleasure that's I've meet yourself and wishbone's acquittance through LGF.

1022 Stonemason  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:16:48pm

re: #1016 Pupdawg

Sorry, I was talking about the nuts in the GOP taking over what could have been a positive situation. Now most will simply be ignored as most of the country ignores the left wing nuts that protest all the time.

1023 FrogMarch  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:20:23pm

The best signs: A giant photo of Barney Frank. "oink" and a home-made sing made by mother and daughter that said "paws out of our purse."

1024 Digital Display  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:20:35pm

re: #1019 Stonemason

just curious, what is the correct percentage of the money made (earned) by either an individual or an entity to be handed over to a government?

And why is it right that if someone works harder than someone else, the harder worker should pay a much larger share?

Personally..When I was a poor college grad I worked alot of odd jobs before getting hired by the DOD..Those taxes on my meager piece of shit paycheck hurt our young family..
I'm to the point now..Where I make a boat load of money.. I will not march in the streets with my little fucking tea bag complaining about taxes..We should have had this protest when i was 25.. I was really pissed then..
/hope today finds you well stone

1025 Pupdawg  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 4:42:38pm

re: #992 Walter L. Newton

Your lead argument is flawed. What the MSM does or doesn't cover, or the way they cover it, does not mean anything.

It's not even 24 hours into this, and you say they've had an impact. How can you say that? Did you already do some poll? Do you already have the results of the elections in 2010?

You don't know if they are worthy of the effort, except to say that it could help, may hurt, who really know.

Gee, hyperbole rules, huh.

My opinion may well be flawed just as my responses to your statements may be as well but;

Yes, I think what and how the MSM reports has meaning. If it did not, they would more than likely cover or not cover events with no or as little bias as possible since it means nothing. The reported and oft repeated 'tingly feeling' statement about Obama by a MSMer has meaning. Many other examples are there to prove it does matter and it does have meaning. Why would you refer to a 'poll' if like you assert the MSM and their reporting is meaningless. Would not a 'poll' be meaningless then? The 2010 elections are an open field and my aspirations for the elections are no less worthy than anyone elses. Every vote should hold sway at least with the individual voter. After all, politicians spend millions upon millions of dollars every election for our votes. I have no crystal ball where the 2010 elections are concerned.

Yes, the protests have had an impact already. The organizational levels involved alone to pull off such a huge event are impactfull and worthy of taking note by any nationally 'elected' official. Sheer numbers alone of citizens coming together in coesive planned political activity is impactful. Unity and strength in numbers does make a strong statement. Citizens becoming active in the political process as well as exercising their constitutional right to peacefully protest will always have an impact. If they did not, the process would be rendered academic in a hurry. The media coverage, MSM and non-MSM, further amplifies the impact. Ideas, opinions, suggestions and expectations are heard with an, if not stated, implied warning to our elected officials.

I doubt if these opinions are hyperbole, but if they are I apologize in advance for breaking rules that I did not know existed.

1026 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:00:52pm

re: #60 Jonn Lilyea

I saw a lot of similarities between the Ron Paul rallies and the Tea Party rallies, but there are crack pots in every crowd, aren't there? Nonetheless it's news and here's my still-dripping report from the DC Tea Party complete with Code Pink (starring Medea Benjamin) and Move On invasions.

Now here you can see some nut jobs!

1027 EaterOfFood  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:12:07pm

Well, in Hillsborough, NC there were about 150-200 people, no media, and very few Paultards. The former mayor of Raleigh gave a speech, a guy sang "God Bless America," then everybody dumped a bottle of Luzianne tea on the ground. Nothing offensive unless you're a government bureaucrat.

1028 avspatti  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:31:16pm

re: #937 USBeast

I had to file for an extension. I bought the H&R Block do it yourself and the results seemed screwy, plus I could not get the state software to download. Tried the online service I used last year and those bozo's had me OWING money to the Feds! I'm going to have to bite the bullet and get a pro to look at it. I wonder if H&R Block will review their own results for free.

For $29, they will check it over. The same thing happened to me with the software this year. I took it in and it was such a mess that I just turned it over to one of their tax men. Cost more than $29, though, but peace of mind is worth it imo.

1029 Parker in US  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 5:34:03pm

Attended the Party in Lincoln, NE could not believe the turnout there had to be 1500-1800 people there. Big emphasis on spending and our children's future and what we were leaving them. Most signs were pretty lame but seemed to have the enough spending and how can you vote for something you didn't even read theme. I think Ben Nelson is in big trouble here based on what I saw we are not happy about his last minute swing vote on the spendulus bill. Other wise very good people very good time no tinfoil hats in the crowd. One thing to note when everybody was walking out there was guy standing out front trying to hand out literature I think he was running for City Council and I don't think the crowd was any mood to listen to a politician I don't think he could have given away hundred dollar bills. I think this is huge for this community most of the folks here are or were farmers and attending something like this is just not something we do around here. This is a Report From The Heartland of America. BTW nobody here ever heard of Eric Odom and I didn't hear the name Ron Paul even once.

1030 Olderthandirt  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:05:23pm

Maybe Charles is correct in that Paulians were involved in coordinating the TPs, I can't speak to that. However, the TP coverages on TV were about ordinary citizens some concerned about growth of government, some about the bailouts and stimulus spending, some about taxes, some about all of the above, and some about other things.

However, I didn't see any signs calling for overthrow of the government or for revolt or for violence against the government or supporting Ron Paul or for supporting any other particular politician. I did see a CNN reporter try and take down a man holding his baby because he didn't met her idea of a protester nor of what to protest; her actions were abhorrent and of a typical elitist. I did see David Schuster of MSNBC spout profanity about the TPs. I didn't see such unacceptable forms of behavior on the part of the TPers.

Charles, you fail to understand that the TPs are in fact a grass roots movement that has not been co-opted by politicos and kooks yet. You might be right in the end if the TPers allow the kooks to take over that movement, which I do not believe will happen. So, be vigilant, allowing for the TPs to go on. You have had faith in America, there's no reason to lose such now.

I have faith that even some on the Socialist Left will see that for America to continue to its destiny, we must remain a free society without DHS or the federals putting more restrictions on us all.

1031 ent  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:33:55pm

The "rightwing extremist" language comes straight from the DHS report that was in the news. I can't believe that in 1000 responses, no one has mentioned it. According to the report, anyone who favors states rights or is focused on abortion or immigration issues is a rightwing extremist:

Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.

Nonetheless, such a sign can be misinterpreted by people who are not close followers of politics.

1032 katemaclaren  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 6:39:48pm

I went to the one in Philly today. Nice people--some Dems, Some Republicans, no Ron Paulians that I could see or hear. I took some pictures with my old-fashioned, right off the ark--Nikon. Interesting signs. I talked to quite a few people and found that they had neighborhood sign making parties--and then (of all things) ran into my neighbor who was keeping quiet about coming. She is Jewish, liberal, but is fed up with taxes. Boy was I shocked--she goes to Israel all the time and says that it is even worse there--but it's a small country with a big military budget. Anyway, didn't see any crazies acting out at all. Lots of people, though. I only stayed about an hour because it was raining--and cold.

1033 lemurian16  Wed, Apr 15, 2009 10:05:20pm

Van Nuys, California Teaparty just finished. LAPD estimated 2000 people showed up.

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

1034 yochanan  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 8:35:49am

re: #70 Afrocity

BO going on his first walk was beyond funny ROFLMA(TOUCKAS)O FUNNY.

1035 elrushbuni  Sat, Apr 18, 2009 10:00:43pm

The Tea Party people ARE careful about who they associate with.....you just have to know where to look


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