LGF Diavlog at New York Times

Blogosphere • Views: 2,217

A clip from my Bloggingheads discussion with Conn Carroll of the Heritage Foundation has been posted at the New York Times video page today: Bloggingheads: Conservative Fascism? - Video Library - The New York Times.

Notice how Carroll tosses in a blatant straw man argument at the conclusion of this clip, accusing me of saying “everyone on the conservative movement is a fascist” — which, of course, I have never said or written.

The full video is here at Blogginheads.tv, and also posted at LGF here.

I’ll take this opportunity to discuss another talking point Carroll tried to raise in our discussion (which you can see in the full video) — the idea that creationism is a minor, unimportant issue and nothing anyone should worry about. This is a very curious argument for Carroll to put forth, since the organization he works for, the Heritage Foundation, spends quite a bit of time and money promoting creationism: ‘intelligent design’ site:heritage.org - Google Search.

Heritage’s own search engine turns up more creationist propaganda, using ‘Darwin’ as the search term: Search Results: darwin.

Other Google searches that reveal more of the far right social conservative agenda of the Heritage Foundation:

homosexual site:heritage.org - Google Search
lesbian site:heritage.org - Google Search

Jump to bottom

295 comments
1 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:01:00pm

Heritage is just the more acceptable version of Weyrich's FCF.

2 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:01:59pm

Fair enough!

/

3 Silvergirl  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:04:56pm

Okay, explain yourself! Why do you hate all the conservative movement's fascists? :-)

4 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:06:18pm

Bring on the Crazy. Be prepared with the Counter-Creationism Handbook.
It is excellent, with most of the creationist talking-points debunked to the point of ridicule.

I don't know how to link it in that way, but by it through the LGF store if you can.

5 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:06:42pm

The cognitive dissonance is strong there. In some lectures Darwin is invoked as a glowing example of truth overcoming consensus while in others he's roundly thrashed for creating the religion of scientism... arggggg.

6 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:07:12pm

This calls for a song.

Youtube Video
7 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:08:11pm

Darnit, I thought this post was going to be your NYT feature, that was mentioned some time back.

8 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:08:44pm

The New York Times profile is scheduled for publication later this month.

9 Bob Dillon  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:18:28pm

Sad. The guy obviously has a very warped agenda. No ethics or integrity.

10 oldegeezr  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:20:07pm

OT: Rush’s main squeeze, dish’s to “Page2”…!

Anything for "fifteen minutes"...?

11 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:20:39pm
12 EastSider  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:21:22pm

A play in two acts, for comparison...

Charles (7 years ago til right now): Here are many examples of Islmac fanaticism and its real and potential dangers.
Sane people: Yes! They are dangerous!
Right Wingnuts: Yes! They are dangerous!
Lefty Moonbat: Boo. Don't profile people because they're [self professed] muslims, you're racist! Stone the person pointing out objective truths!

Charles (18 months ago until now): Here are many examples of right wing craziness and its real and potential dangers.
Sane people: Yes! They are dangerous!
Lefty Moonbat: Yes! They are dangerous!
Right Wingnuts: Boo. Don't profile people because they're [self professed] conservatives, you're an idiot! Stone the person pointing out objective truths.

13 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:22:18pm

re: #11 miguelj

OT, but what ever happened to the attention LGF used to pay to Islamofascism??

Yeah, because discussing the sorry-ass-state of the conservative movement in the US excludes the other.

14 Silvergirl  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:24:09pm

re: #12 EastSider

Islmac?

15 EastSider  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:24:50pm

re: #14 Silvergirl

Islmac?

typlo.

16 Silvergirl  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:26:14pm

re: #15 EastSider

typlo.

Thlnks.

17 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:28:05pm

re: #11 miguelj

OT, but what ever happened to the attention LGF used to pay to Islamofascism??

Islamic extremists are still dangerous, and can kill hundreds or even thousands of people if they're not stopped. But they can't destroy America or what makes it a great country.

Hyper-reactive wing-nuts who believe we need to teach creationism in school, close our borders, rape the planet of its resources, and pre-emptively bomb the living shit out of anyone who might not share our exact their exact values, however, actually pose a greater threat to this country and what it stands for.

18 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:29:55pm

re: #1 Thanos

Heritage is just the more acceptable version of Weyrich's FCF.

Weyrich being the person to come up the phrase "Moral Majority." Heritage was co-founded with Weyrich and Jospeh Coors to the tune of $250,000 in 1973. Coors was at the same time a backer of the John Birch Society. Charles G. Koch being a prominent donor to Herirage and his father Fred, was a founding member of the John Birch Society. Charles's brother, David, is a founder of Citizens for a Sound Economy which later morphed into FreedomWork. This same group also created Cooler Heads Coalition.

19 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:31:15pm

re: #18 Gus 802

Coors also supports CAMP...bastards.

20 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:31:23pm

re: #11 miguelj

OT, but what ever happened to the attention LGF used to pay to Islamofascism??

Lurk and learn, friend; lurk and learn.

21 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:31:46pm

re: #19 darthstar

Coors also supports CAMP...bastards.

What's that?

22 Olsonist  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:31:58pm

re: #12 EastSider

I downdinged you perhaps not knowing what you mean by lefty moonbat. I'm left liberal and I've always been a realist. The idea that we were going to back the Muhajadeen and they were going to love us for it was neoconservative nonsense. DarthStar gets the upding.

23 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:32:35pm

re: #21 Gus 802

What's that?

Campaign against marijuana plantations. It was a big push in the 80s when I was in college.

24 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:33:17pm

re: #22 Olsonist

Just upding him/her twice and all is reversed.

25 fizzlogic  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:33:30pm

I never finished watching that Bloggingheads. The first 20 minutes wasn't even like a normal diavlog. I got the impression the bozo from Heritage felt it was his obligation to explore why you're such an enigma to the sane world of the Right. Frankly, all I had to know, he was from the Heritage Foundation--a tentacle of the Religious Right--to realize it was going to be a lame diavlog. No offense. You should do it again but with someone from the left--maybe even Jane Hamsher. :)

26 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:34:31pm

re: #23 darthstar

Campaign against marijuana plantations. It was a big push in the 80s when I was in college.

Ironic considering the line of work Coors was in. The founders of these groups were rather orthodox (or what would have been called square) at the time.

27 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:35:59pm

re: #11 miguelj

I think the question is a bit disingenuous.

31 miguelj12/23/2009 12:41:36 am PST

Charles - I still like you and LGF, I too am against white suprmacists and climate deniers, but I do think you are mistakenly losing the focus on combatting islamofascism.
I know you disapprove now of a lot of the erstwhile neocon sites that still do largely focus on the fight against islamofascism, but still...

28 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:37:01pm

re: #27 wrenchwench

I think the question is a bit disingenuous.

Damn, you're good!

29 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:39:48pm

re: #12 EastSider

A play in two acts, for comparison...

Charles (7 years ago til right now): Here are many examples of Islmac fanaticism and its real and potential dangers.
Sane people: Yes! They are dangerous!
Right Wingnuts: Yes! They are dangerous!
Lefty Moonbat: Boo. Don't profile people because they're [self professed] muslims, you're racist! Stone the person pointing out objective truths!

Charles (18 months ago until now): Here are many examples of right wing craziness and its real and potential dangers.
Sane people: Yes! They are dangerous!
Lefty Moonbat: Yes! They are dangerous!
Right Wingnuts: Boo. Don't profile people because they're [self professed] conservatives, you're an idiot! Stone the person pointing out objective truths.

Third act:

Charles (18 months ago until now): I used to believe X, but after having taken the time and effort to get properly informed from reliable sources, I now believe Y.
Most people: swoon......PLOP!

30 Olsonist  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:39:52pm

re: #24 darthstar

Darth, I was obviously in favor of going in to Afghanistan after OBL and AQ. But after getting there somehow there was this great distraction called Iraq. Libs might have been mistaken about the exact right reason for not going into Iraq but they (we) weren't wrong about not going into Iraq. Dismissing us as Liberal Moonbats recalls the conflation of SH and AQ. SH was a real shit but our problem was AQ.

31 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:40:01pm

re: #28 reine.de.tout

Damn, you're good!

*blush*

Just putting the tools to good use....

32 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:41:52pm

A look back at Heritage alumnus Paul Weyrich.

ADL Says Charge by Leading Conservative That Jews Killed Christ is Historically False and Deeply Offensive

New York, NY, April 24, 2001…The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) called the statement blaming Jews for killing Christ by a leading conservative Christian activist appalling, historically false and deeply offensive. Paul Weyrich, head of the Free Congress Foundation, a religious figure of national standing and an experienced political analyst, said in a religious commentary that "Christ was crucified by the Jews."

Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, issued the following statement:

Paul Weyrich’s statement that "Christ was crucified by the Jews" is appalling, historically false and deeply offensive. As a religious figure of national standing, he certainly knows that the accusation holding "the Jews" responsible for the death of Jesus is not true and has served as the basis and rationale for centuries of persecution of Jewish people around the world. He must know that the Catholic Church has emphatically repudiated the teaching of contempt, i.e., that Jews killed Jesus. He surely knows that such destructive myths stated as fact may well reinforce the bigotry of the ignorant and the uninformed, potentially leading to hateful anti-Semitic acts.

Americans are proud of our nation's tradition of religious freedom and pluralism, and honor the role played by faith in promoting fairness, decency and respect among our people. Unfortunately, these constructive values are undermined, rather than supported, by Mr. Weyrich's message.

33 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:42:17pm

re: #30 Olsonist

Darth, I was obviously in favor of going in to Afghanistan after OBL and AQ. But after getting there somehow there was this great distraction called Iraq. Libs might have been mistaken about the exact right reason for not going into Iraq but they (we) weren't wrong about not going into Iraq. Dismissing us as Liberal Moonbats recalls the conflation of SH and AQ. SH was a real shit but our problem was AQ.

I think the rule is:
No one here is a wingnut or a moonbat.
Even when we don't agree.
At least, I try to read things that way.

34 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:43:08pm

After a few very serious discussions I bring you something utterly OT.
Awsome cat.

35 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:43:09pm

re: #30 Olsonist

Hey, I'm left of Dennis Freakin' Kucinich myself. I was against Iraq from the get go. I don't let the 'liberal moonbat' thing get to me though...

Cheers.

36 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:45:17pm

One thing I will say in Heritage's favor: they do tend to be anti-Buchanan -- but that's because of his populist stances on Isolationism and anti free trade rather than his Fascism. If he was a free trade fascist I suspect they would love him.

37 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:45:24pm

As a conservative, I appreciate the fact Charles does not necessarily consider me a fascist!

38 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:46:36pm

Religion in America’s Public Square: Are We Crossing the Line?

Excerpts from an address by Abraham H. Foxman - National Director of the Anti-Defamation League -ADL National Commission Meeting

...
In 2002, leaders from ten conservative Christian organizations formed the “Arlington Group,” an alliance of more than 50 of the most prominent conservative Christian leaders and organizations. Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Research and Education Foundation described it this way: “For the first time, virtually all of the social issues groups are singing off the same sheet of music… when we are working together, we are a mighty force that can’t be ignored.”

If their agenda was hidden 15 years ago, today it is in full public view. Just take a look at their Web sites, where they document in considerable detail an agenda on a wide range of issues: judicial nominations, same-sex marriage, and faith-based issues – and an agenda that, let us be clear, goes well beyond legitimate engagement in controversial social and political issues to a fundamental usurpation of all that America represents:

* "Most importantly, the court victories are vital steps to keep doors open for the spread of the gospel and reclaim the legal system for Jesus Christ." -- The Alliance Defense Fund

* The American Family Association, “believes that God has communicated absolute truth to man through the Bible, and that all men everywhere at all times are subject to the authority of God’s word. Therefore, culture based on biblical truth best serves the well-being of our country."

* "Christians can be loyal to liberal democracy as long as rights are carefully controlled by a dominant culture that directs them to the true hierarchy of ends." -- Family Research Council.

* "The enemies of morality will not stop and will not back off. The Left cannot and will not change… no matter how many God-fearing and God-honoring women and men are elected and appointed to public office, until the hearts of the people change, we will not turn around this culture and restore our Biblical foundations." -- James Dobson’s Focus on the Family.

There is an open arrogance. The arrogance comes when you believe you have the exclusive truth. And it comes if you believe God has commissioned you to change this country.
...

39 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:46:51pm

re: #37 Taqyia2Me

As a conservative, I appreciate the fact Charles does not necessarily consider me a fascist!

Where is the sarc tag?

You're not a RINO are you?


..
Please tell me I don't have to?
//

40 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:47:07pm

Of course "Free trade" and "Fascism" might be mutually exclusive since I can't think of an example.

41 kingkenrod  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:48:15pm

Oh, it's pronounced die-uh-vlog. Duh. I was trying to make it sound like dee-av-log, which makes no sense and sounds twice as stupid as it is. Is it possible to kill a word before it starts to breed?

42 Olsonist  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:48:44pm

re: #40 Thanos

China?

43 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:48:47pm

re: #32 Gus 802

A look back at Heritage alumnus Paul Weyrich.

Didn't Paul Weyrich assume room temperature a while ago?

44 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:49:18pm

re: #34 HAL2010

After a few very serious discussions I bring you something utterly OT.
Awsome cat.

I have a collection of Lost Kitty posters. I wonder how a photo of one would fit into the collection....

45 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:49:25pm

re: #41 kingkenrod

Oh, it's pronounced die-uh-vlog. Duh. I was trying to make it sound like dee-av-log, which makes no sense and sounds twice as stupid as it is. Is it possible to kill a word before it starts to breed?

"Interview" has a nice ring to it. I'm with you on killing the word "diavlog" (I don't even like typing it) before it becomes part of the lexicon.

46 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:50:32pm

re: #39 HAL2010

Where is the sarc tag?

You're not a RINO are you?

..
Please tell me I don't have to?
//

I am a RINO.

47 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:50:44pm

re: #44 wrenchwench

I have a collection of Lost Kitty posters. I wonder how a photo of one would fit into the collection...

This one's my favorite:

Lost cat possum

48 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:51:07pm

re: #39 HAL2010

Where is the sarc tag?

You're not a RINO are you?


..
Please tell me I don't have to?
//

Sorry HAL2010! ////
(although I really hope Charles does NOT consider me a fascist!)

49 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:51:18pm

Charles: one other note that would be good to sound next time you talk Buchanan and mainstreaming is that it was Buchanan who kicked off the "Culture Wars" with his speech which is now a staple inclusion of almost every Fox analysis show daily.

50 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:51:21pm

re: #43 Alouette

Didn't Paul Weyrich assume room temperature a while ago?

2008. Was a rather horrible way that he died after amputations and such.

51 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:51:59pm

re: #38 Gus 802

Religion in America’s Public Square: Are We Crossing the Line?

I don't think so... they have a right to try to force their religious views on social politics... and they also should expect push back from those who don't agree with them... but in no way would I like to stop or prevent them from trying... go for it...

52 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:52:07pm

re: #44 wrenchwench

I have a collection of Lost Kitty posters. I wonder how a photo of one would fit into the collection...

Rather well I would think!

53 Lateralis  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:52:32pm

re: #17 darthstar

Islamic extremists are still dangerous, and can kill hundreds or even thousands of people if they're not stopped. But they can't destroy America or what makes it a great country.

I would have to disagree. One more terrorist attack in the US immediately following 9/11 would of been devastating.

54 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:52:40pm

re: #47 darthstar

This one's my favorite:

Lost cat possum

FUNNY!

My cats have a habit of tapping on the window when they want in, and of course we open the window and let them in.

It was so unusually cold here last night - the raccoons who come eat the leftover catfood were tapping on the window. I guess they thought we'd let them in, too. They'll have to find the blankets we piled up in the carport attic for 'em.

55 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:52:48pm

re: #38 Gus 802

Religion in America’s Public Square: Are We Crossing the Line?

The problem, of course, is that neither [church nor state] is prepared to remain within its institutional boundaries. Government, if it is to be sustainable, engages beliefs and loyalties of an ultimate sort that can properly be called religious. As the impulse of the modern state is to define all public space as governmental space, so the consequence is a tendency toward "civil religion." Religion, on the other hand, if it represents a comprehensive belief system, speaks to the human condition in all its aspects, including the right ordering (the government) of public life....Thus each institution is, in the eyes of the other, constantly bursting its bounds. Therein is the foundation of the open-ended argument between church and state. Open-ended, that is, so long as a society professes to be democratic.
-- Richard John Neuhaus

56 EastSider  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:52:52pm

re: #22 Olsonist

I downdinged you perhaps not knowing what you mean by lefty moonbat. I'm left liberal and I've always been a realist. The idea that we were going to back the Muhajadeen and they were going to love us for it was neoconservative nonsense. DarthStar gets the upding.

didn't mean to imply you were at all.

The "moonbat" and "wingnut" were meant to imply rigid support of implied conservative and liberal positions, without rational thought or critical thinking.

I have observed most people at LGF to be in the "sane" bucket. Left, right, or otherwise. Lots of thoughtful disagreement, highly differentiated opinions, but at the end of the day the ability to recognize facts and, when necessary adjust their own views and positions.

You seem to be in the group as well.

57 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:53:01pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

I am a RINO.

I .. well .. I ... no.. what?

/Wingnut implosion

58 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:53:22pm

re: #53 Lateralis

I would have to disagree. One more terrorist attack in the US immediately following 9/11 would of been devastating.

What would have happened? Clarify.

59 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:55:04pm

re: #43 Alouette

Didn't Paul Weyrich assume room temperature a while ago?

Yes, but he's still a driving force due to the power of his radical writings. He's the right's version of Alinsky. Some will publicly damn him on the right but if you visit their house you will find his writings, just as you will find the writings of Rushdoony under many religious right "moderate" Pastor's beds.

60 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:55:17pm

re: #57 HAL2010

I .. well .. I ... no.. what?

/Wingnut implosion

Heh.
During the recent time of the Mass Exodus by Flounce, I discovered that many of the conservatives here did not trust my "brand" of conservatism.

I've therefore concluded that I must be a RINO.

61 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:55:26pm

re: #56 EastSider

didn't mean to imply you were at all.

The "moonbat" and "wingnut" were meant to imply rigid support of implied conservative and liberal positions, without rational thought or critical thinking.

I have observed most people at LGF to be in the "sane" bucket. Left, right, or otherwise. Lots of thoughtful disagreement, highly differentiated opinions, but at the end of the day the ability to recognize facts and, when necessary adjust their own views and positions.

You seem to be in the group as well.

Well... it's nice of you to put people into a bucket. What about those who don't want to be in a bucket? What about those of us who are not sane? It seems a little divisive of you to want to label most people on LGF as sane? What makes you the sane Nazi?

62 Lateralis  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:55:34pm

re: #58 Walter L. Newton

Potential economic depression. The economic devastation was considerable and one more significant attack could have paralyzed the US economically.

63 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:55:57pm

re: #42 Olsonist

China?

re: #8 Charles

The New York Times profile is scheduled for publication later this month.

Will it be in the New York Times or the NYT Magazine?

64 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:56:41pm

re: #60 reine.de.tout

Heh.
During the recent time of the Mass Exodus by Flounce, I discovered that many of the conservatives here did not trust my "brand" of conservatism.

I've therefore concluded that I must be a RINO.

Or perhaps they just have a fucked up idea of conservative ideals.

65 oldegeezr  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:56:43pm

A Founding Father posts, from the “other side”…

66 Olsonist  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:56:45pm

re: #53 Lateralis

We had the Anthrax poisoner. It increased our tension level but we got over it. The LA airport shooting. Same.

67 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:56:51pm

re: #62 Lateralis

Potential economic depression. The economic devastation was considerable and one more significant attack could have paralyzed the US economically.

No it wouldn't have. You actually think the economy would have stopped cold. Come on... you didn't offer me any proof, just a statement. I asked for a clarification... give me some stats.

68 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:57:47pm

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

I don't think so... they have a right to try to force their religious views on social politics... and they also should expect push back from those who don't agree with them... but in no way would I like to stop or prevent them from trying... go for it...

These are the closing words:

It is so delicate – this issue: How can the Jewish people – people that have been established, founded, created in faith – how can we be opposed to God or to the imposition of so-called traditional values? It is uncomfortable for us to be the ones out there fighting faith.

The fact is we welcome and embrace faith. It is the lifeblood of our country.

What we oppose is the imposing of one belief, one truth, above all others. We believe that we are a country that respects and envelopes people who have faith, a belief of a truth. Everyone is entitled to his or her own truth.

At the end of the day, where are we? I do know that this issue is serious enough for us to develop a strategy, and clearly our first task is to win the support of the American public. We also need to come together with other Jewish organizations to see if we can find a consensus, and to find allies beyond our community.

The challenge is before us. We must now take action to ensure that our pluralistic society continues to maintain the ideal of religious tolerance and freedom enshrined in the constitution and tested, successfully, through the generations as a model for all democracies.

Thank you very much.

Emphasis mine.

69 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:58:05pm

re: #66 Olsonist

We had the Anthrax poisoner. It increased our tension level but we got over it. The LA airport shooting. Same.

We've had the economic wizards Bush and Obama, and we have survived so far.

70 Bagua  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:58:30pm

re: #60 reine.de.tout

Heh.
During the recent time of the Mass Exodus by Flounce, I discovered that many of the conservatives here did not trust my "brand" of conservatism.

I've therefore concluded that I must be a RINO.

Yes, the code was cleverly concealed in your name:

Reine.de.tout

71 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:58:56pm

re: #68 Gus 802

Emphasis mine.

Let them have a go at it... it should be interesting.

72 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:59:05pm

re: #47 darthstar

This one's my favorite:

Lost cat possum

That's hysterical!

Printer is fired up!

73 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:59:13pm

re: #62 Lateralis

Potential economic depression. The economic devastation was considerable and one more significant attack could have paralyzed the US economically.

Oh, they're still hard at work to do just that. The destruction of Western civilization is their goal.

74 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:59:22pm

re: #54 reine.de.tout

We've got raccoons too...and I tend to throw open the window and shout at them when the come for the cat food...

But one night I almost did so a little too fast. Fortunately, I hit the light switch just before throwing open the window.

75 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:00:07pm

re: #70 Bagua

Yes, the code was cleverly concealed in your name:

Reine.de.tout

Part of the same code found on the Rockefeller building no doubt!

76 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:00:30pm

re: #63 The Sanity Inspector

Will it be in the New York Times or the NYT Magazine?

I believe it's scheduled for the Magazine.

77 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:00:33pm

re: #74 darthstar

We've got raccoons too...and I tend to throw open the window and shout at them when the come for the cat food...

But one night I almost did so a little too fast. Fortunately, I hit the light switch just before throwing open the window.

That could have gone badly... very badly

78 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:00:33pm

re: #70 Bagua

Yes, the code was cleverly concealed in your name:

Reine.de.tout

hahahahaha!
Clever, I am!
(didn't even know it).

79 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:00:35pm

re: #66 Olsonist

We had the Anthrax poisoner. It increased our tension level but we got over it. The LA airport shooting. Same.

But we didn't get used to them. We didn't say, "oh well, terrorism is just a fact of modern life, have to be a big boy and get used to exploding public transportation from time to time." No, we correctly labeled these vipers as evil and dangerous, and went after them hammer and tongs.

80 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:00:58pm

Okay folks...5pm...time to go play in traffic for a bit.

Cheers!

Go Georgia! Probably the only time I'll ever agree with Erick Ericksion.

81 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:01:30pm

re: #74 darthstar

We've got raccoons too...and I tend to throw open the window and shout at them when the come for the cat food...

But one night I almost did so a little too fast. Fortunately, I hit the light switch just before throwing open the window.

Whoa!
LOL.
Now THAT would make a great 'found cat' poster.
LOL.

82 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:02:29pm

re: #74 darthstar

We've got raccoons too...and I tend to throw open the window and shout at them when the come for the cat food...

But one night I almost did so a little too fast. Fortunately, I hit the light switch just before throwing open the window.

OK - is that a huge spider or a small octopus on that stump behind the raccoon?

83 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:02:45pm

re: #76 Charles

I believe it's scheduled for the Magazine.

Good. Easier to xerox...

84 researchok  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:03:32pm

The culture of creationism is potentially one of the most destructive forces this country faces.

We have seen the kind of havoc pseudo science has wrought- Hitler's 'Eugenics' and Islamic 'science' are but two examples.

Science, when draped in the filth of what is politics, is a guarantee that no good will ever emerge.

The same applies to religion.

CJ's stand on keeping creationism out of schools, etc., is moral, not political or anti religious.

85 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:04:33pm

re: #55 The Sanity Inspector

The problem, of course, is that neither [church nor state] is prepared to remain within its institutional boundaries. Government, if it is to be sustainable, engages beliefs and loyalties of an ultimate sort that can properly be called religious. As the impulse of the modern state is to define all public space as governmental space, so the consequence is a tendency toward "civil religion." Religion, on the other hand, if it represents a comprehensive belief system, speaks to the human condition in all its aspects, including the right ordering (the government) of public life...Thus each institution is, in the eyes of the other, constantly bursting its bounds. Therein is the foundation of the open-ended argument between church and state. Open-ended, that is, so long as a society professes to be democratic.
-- Richard John Neuhaus

Rubbish, most of it. It is no more than the tired, circular, argument that atheism is a religion.

Anyone who says that "civil religion" cannot be replaced by "civil society" and have the same meaning is simply preaching to the converted.

87 Lateralis  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:04:40pm

re: #67 Walter L. Newton

Recession following the initial attack. Another attack, say on the airlines, could have had a ripple effect in the economy that could have sent the economy into a deeper recession. What if the attack originated out of Yemen which would of led to another military effort on another front draining more $ from the economy.

88 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:06:19pm

re: #47 darthstar

This one's my favorite:

Lost cat possum

I think I found your possum

89 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:06:19pm

re: #84 researchok

The culture of creationism is potentially one of the most destructive forces this country faces.

We have seen the kind of havoc pseudo science has wrought- Hitler's 'Eugenics' and Islamic 'science' are but two examples.

Science, when draped in the filth of what is politics, is a guarantee that no good will ever emerge.

The same applies to religion.

CJ's stand on keeping creationism out of schools, etc., is moral, not political or anti religious.

I agree in part of what you are saying here, I understand the sentiment. However, the assertion that keeping creationism out of schools is "not political" is false. The so called conservative movement (or at least large sways of it) would love to put creationism in schools all across the country. Opposing them is very political indeed. As well as moral.

90 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:06:57pm

re: #84 researchok

The culture of creationism is potentially one of the most destructive forces this country faces.

We have seen the kind of havoc pseudo science has wrought- Hitler's 'Eugenics' and Islamic 'science' are but two examples.

Science, when draped in the filth of what is politics, is a guarantee that no good will ever emerge.

The same applies to religion.

CJ's stand on keeping creationism out of schools, etc., is moral, not political or anti religious.

Naw! It's irrelevant! On a list of a million things, it's last!!!1!

/C Carroll

91 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:07:32pm

re: #87 Lateralis

Recession following the initial attack. Another attack, say on the airlines, could have had a ripple effect in the economy that could have sent the economy into a deeper recession. What if the attack originated out of Yemen which would of led to another military effort on another front draining more $ from the economy.

We have been playing war on two fronts now for years, and dumping a lot of money into security, the economy had almost turned into a depression, and you think another attack would have shut us down?

Bullshit.

92 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:07:46pm

BDS is alive and well....

Glenn Beck-01-05-10-B

Youtube Video

At 2:45 Beck labels Bush as a progressive agent of the Cloward Piven conspiracy to destroy the country.

It's all over with, folks. The Republicans can't recover like this. They are rotting from the inside. Game over.

93 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:08:43pm

re: #88 Thanos

I think I found your possum

You made it look cute!

I found a raccoon.

94 avanti  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:09:04pm

Yet another
RINO.

He must be, because I respect Linsey Graham.

95 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:09:13pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

BDS is alive and well...

Glenn Beck-01-05-10-B


[Video]At 2:45 Beck labels Bush as a progressive agent of the Cloward Piven conspiracy to destroy the country.

It's all over with, folks. The Republicans can't recover like this. They are rotting from the inside. Game over.

There will certainly be no recovery before the next presidential election, that's for sure.

The R's can recover but it's going to be a long, slow road and the Dems would have to screw up really badly, and I don't see that happening.

96 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:09:49pm

re: #88 Thanos

I think I found your possum

Sure this isn't it?

97 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:10:09pm

re: #96 The Sanity Inspector

Sure this isn't it?

Oh, ew!

98 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:10:15pm

re: #95 reine.de.tout

There will certainly be no recovery before the next presidential election, that's for sure.

The R's can recover but it's going to be a long, slow road and the Dems would have to screw up really badly, and I don't see that happening.

The left will be going after the RINO's next... watch out.

99 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:10:57pm

re: #96 The Sanity Inspector

Sure this isn't it?

Dawkins found your cat!

100 researchok  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:11:01pm

re: #89 HAL2010

I agree in part of what you are saying here, I understand the sentiment. However, the assertion that keeping creationism out of schools is "not political" is false. The so called conservative movement (or at least large sways of it) would love to put creationism in schools all across the country. Opposing them is very political indeed. As well as moral.

I'm arguing the morality of the issue.

And I'd argue the against the morality of teaching kids those things Kevin Jennings holds dear.

I don't give a rats ass about the politics and neither should you.

Morality is absolute- politics is anything but.

101 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:11:33pm

re: #95 reine.de.tout


The R's can recover but it's going to be a long, slow road and the Dems would have to screw up really badly, and I don't see that happening.

Possibly, but what they are going to look like when they reemerge is going to be very spooky. It's looking increasingly likely that the Birch Society now has it's own private political party.

103 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:12:26pm

re: #50 Gus 802

2008. Was a rather horrible way that he died after amputations and such.

Diabetic or MRSA?

104 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:12:48pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

BDS is alive and well...

Glenn Beck-01-05-10-B


[Video]At 2:45 Beck labels Bush as a progressive agent of the Cloward Piven conspiracy to destroy the country.

It's all over with, folks. The Republicans can't recover like this. They are rotting from the inside. Game over.

John McCain is a progressive!

Right. Uh huh, sure Glenn.

105 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:13:26pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Possibly, but what they are going to look like when they reemerge is going to be very spooky. It's looking increasingly likely that the Birch Society now has it's own private political party.

I'm afraid you're correct.

106 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:13:43pm

re: #100 researchok

I'm arguing the morality of the issue.

And I'd argue the against the morality of teaching kids those things Kevin Jennings holds dear.

I don't give a rats ass about the politics and neither should you.

Morality is absolute- politics is anything but.

Unless you play politics with morality.

107 Olsonist  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:13:50pm

re: #95 reine.de.tout

Reid, Pelosi and Obama are very careful, very conservative in the approach to politics. The Dems took a slow path to get back into power. If anything the Dems are being too careful. On the other hand, Steele and the Right Wing are swinging for the fence. This is not exactly the approach you'd want a governing party to take but what do they have to lose?

108 Lateralis  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:13:53pm

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

So you don't think that terrorism is a significant threat? Nobody thought they would pull of what they did. Would another attack completely shut down the economy, no. One more attack would have had significant ramifications economically and culturally that would of changed this country and probably not for the better.

109 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:13:58pm

re: #104 Gus 802

John McCain is a progressive!

Right. Uh huh, sure Glenn.

Abe Lincoln too (that was in part 1).

110 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:14:10pm

re: #103 Alouette

Diabetic or MRSA?

Yeah. That and a previous spinal injury.

111 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:14:11pm

re: #94 avanti

Dang! I actually feel a little sorry for him after reading that. I think he's very lucky he just won re-election and it's possible that the stupid committee will calm down by the time he has to run again.

He's not been one of my favorite senators but I like the way he's stood up to the climate deniers and I respect him for that. I hope this doesn't make him back away from working on the legislation.

112 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:15:15pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Abe Lincoln too (that was in part 1).

How do I downding Glenn?

113 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:15:42pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Abe Lincoln too (that was in part 1).

Ah but just think. There are people out their "studying" Glenn Beck and taking his words as gospel and facts.

Oh, I see Bush was a progressive too.

Whew.

114 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:16:48pm

Well. I don't think I can expect much from our local paper. Here's my response from the Executive Editor, cut and pasted exactly as written:

Thank you for your note.

Our reporters have written many stories on the on-going ocntroversy
about teaching creationism in public schools and will continue to do so.

I have forwarded your note to the editor who oversees that coverage to
look into the latest developments.

I'm guessing an "ocntroversy" is really a "controversy".
And I do not recall seeing all that many stories - just some letters to the editor, both pro and con.

So that's that for the local media's interest, I guess.

115 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:16:49pm

re: #95 reine.de.tout

I'm a life long dem and I never underestimate the damage the dems can do to themselves.

116 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:17:09pm

Dorgan Retires

117 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:18:00pm

re: #108 Lateralis

So you don't think that terrorism is a significant threat? Nobody thought they would pull of what they did. Would another attack completely shut down the economy, no. One more attack would have had significant ramifications economically and culturally that would of changed this country and probably not for the better.

Now, before you go on for one more comment, point out to me where I said that terrorism is not a significant threat? It is a threat, to life, to our security, but for you to assume that another terrorist attack after 9/11 would "paralyzed the US economically" is totally unfounded, and you have yet to give me any details as to how it would "paralyze" us.

And until you can FIRST show me where I said "that terrorism is not a significant threat" I won't even waste anymore time commenting to you.

Don't put words into my mouth.

118 researchok  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:18:36pm

re: #106 HAL2010

Unless you play politics with morality.

Sorry, that's not my issue.

I don't subscribe to moral relativism or a phony egalitarianism.

There is evil in this world and not all cultures are equal.

Terror against civilians is never understandable or justifiable.

Religions are measured bu how many people are saved and elevated, not by how many are vilified or killed.

Morality is absolute. If your morality is predicated, measured and dictated by politics you will sooner rather than later be very disappointed.

119 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:19:08pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

BDS is alive and well...

Glenn Beck-01-05-10-B


[Video]

At 2:45 Beck labels Bush as a progressive agent of the Cloward Piven conspiracy to destroy the country.

It's all over with, folks. The Republicans can't recover like this. They are rotting from the inside. Game over.

He's getting even crazier! How is that possible?

And he's sounding angrier and angrier. Is it getting close to meltdown time for Glenn?

120 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:19:14pm

The most useless machine ever:

Youtube Video
121 avanti  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:19:17pm

re: #111 Kewalo

Dang! I actually feel a little sorry for him after reading that. I think he's very lucky he just won re-election and it's possible that the stupid committee will calm down by the time he has to run again.

He's not been one of my favorite senators but I like the way he's stood up to the climate deniers and I respect him for that. I hope this doesn't make him back away from working on the legislation.

Basically, in today's political climate, both sides have to toe the party line, regardless of your own conscience.

122 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:19:34pm

re: #114 reine.de.tout

Well. I don't think I can expect much from our local paper. Here's my response from the Executive Editor, cut and pasted exactly as written:

I'm guessing an "ocntroversy" is really a "controversy".
And I do not recall seeing all that many stories - just some letters to the editor, both pro and con.

So that's that for the local media's interest, I guess.

Ocntroversial!

123 mr.JA  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:19:37pm

Just saw this from the Irish atheist blog (they put up the 25 quotes a few days ago), it is a video from Penn and Teller, about the Catholic Church...
And it isn't pretty, but actually quite interesting, especially the bit about the function of the current pope with regards to sexual abuse of kids.

[Link: www.atheist.ie...]

It's already past 2am at this side of the pond, so i'm off to bed.

124 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:20:31pm

re: #119 Charles

He's getting even crazier! How is that possible?

And he's sounding angrier and angrier. Is it getting close to meltdown time for Glenn?

What's amusing is that his 9/12 crap is the same Texas machine that gave us Bush, what the heck does he think Armey is but a means to rebrand that same machine?

125 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:20:33pm

re: #119 Charles

He's getting even crazier! How is that possible?

We were wrong. There is a 12.

126 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:22:02pm

re: #108 Lateralis

No I don't think that terrorism is a significant threat to our country. In fact I find it silly that there are still people afraid of them. We're big and strong, not shivering fear junkies, and we should act like adults about it.

Even if they hit a tall building or two in every major city we would not fall.

127 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:22:07pm

re: #119 Charles

He's getting even crazier! How is that possible?

And he's sounding angrier and angrier. Is it getting close to meltdown time for Glenn?

Oh god please yes. For the youtube remixes if nothing else.

128 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:22:53pm

Headline 2010...
Beck flounces his own show...Producer calls 911

129 albusteve  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:24:04pm

re: #120 The Sanity Inspector

The most useless machine ever:


[Video]

re: #126 Kewalo

No I don't think that terrorism is a significant threat to our country. In fact I find it silly that there are still people afraid of them. We're big and strong, not shivering fear junkies, and we should act like adults about it.

Even if they hit a tall building or two in every major city we would not fall.

anybody or group that tries to kill Americans is a significant thread...anybody that thinks otherwise I have a difficult time taking sreious

130 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:24:34pm

re: #119 Charles

Is it getting close to meltdown time for Glenn?

I don't think so. He's riding high and he's on a roll. Tonight's show is a fascinating look into his world view. I'm trying to make it through the whole show, it's pretty fascinating. He traces this conspiracy back over a hundred years to the establishment of income tax. It's only a meltdown if he freaks out by himself. Republicans are freaking out with him so it's more of a movement than a meltdown.

131 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:26:47pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

I don't think so. He's riding high and he's on a roll. Tonight's show is a fascinating look into his world view. I'm trying to make it through the whole show, it's pretty fascinating. He traces this conspiracy back over a hundred years to the establishment of income tax. It's only a meltdown if he freaks out by himself. Republicans are freaking out with him so it's more of a movement than a meltdown.

And that movement seems to be getting bigger and bigger, with no end in sight... every time you turn around, there is some NEW right wing wackiness popping up.

132 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:27:17pm

"Now, I suppose there are people that ... mainly are funded by George Soros ... that will get on their blogs and say this is nothing but conspiratorial nonsense."

No, really? Why, who would ever think that?

What a freaking lunatic!

133 albusteve  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:27:21pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

I don't think so. He's riding high and he's on a roll. Tonight's show is a fascinating look into his world view. I'm trying to make it through the whole show, it's pretty fascinating. He traces this conspiracy back over a hundred years to the establishment of income tax. It's only a meltdown if he freaks out by himself. Republicans are freaking out with him so it's more of a movement than a meltdown.

Beck has the best gig of all the talking heads...even people that can't stand him tune in a support his ratings...he mezmerizes his critics...he's good

134 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:27:38pm

Glenn Beck:

Ape, barmy, bats in the belfry, batty, berserk, bonkers, cracked, crazed, cuckoo, daft, delirious, demented, deranged, dingy, dippy, erratic, flaky, flipped, flipped out, freaked out, fruity, idiotic, insane, kooky, lunatic, mad, mad as a March hare, mad as a hatter, maniacal, mental, moonstruck, nuts, nutty, nutty as fruitcake, of unsound mind, out of one's mind, out of one's tree, out to lunch, potty, psycho, round the bend, schizo, screw loose, screwball, screwy, silly, touched, unbalanced, unglued, unhinged, unzipped, and wacky.

135 Olsonist  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:28:01pm

Imagine the worst Glenn Beck meltdown possible, a scene from Network. This would just up the ante for the next night. His viewers would then just clamor for more.

136 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:28:10pm

The sinister Cloward and Piven! Tied to ACORN! The connections! It's blowing my mind!

137 austin_blue  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:28:43pm

Hello Lizards! Back in Texas after a 13-day (was supposed to be 12) sojourn in sunny, warm (hah!) Bedfordshire, UK. Got into Newark at 3:00 Sunday afternoon. Ask me what I think about the TSA after that freaking fiasco.

138 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:29:14pm

re: #137 austin_blue

Welcome back!

139 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:29:45pm

Thought from a Brit:

How the fuck can anyone take Glenn seriously?

That is a serious question by the way.

140 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:29:58pm

re: #129 albusteve

anybody or group that tries to kill Americans is a significant thread...anybody that thinks otherwise I have a difficult time taking sreious

I think that gives them way too much credit and if we are afraid we are only doing exactly what they dream of...terrorizing us. It isn't as if we haven't faced adversity before. They don't have armies or navies and can't come here to bomb our cities like during WWII, that was a significant threat. It seems to me that if we can face down the Germans and Japanese then a few goat herders should be much easier.

And personally I find it hard to take someone seriously if they allow those terrorist to scare them.

141 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:30:01pm

My God! Cloward and Piven met Bill Clinton!

We're DOOMED!

[run around screaming...]

142 Bagua  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:30:21pm

re: #137 austin_blue

Ask me what I think about the TSA after that freaking fiasco.

What do you think of the TSA?

143 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:31:03pm

re: #141 Charles

I'm warning you. Keep watching Beck and, in the immortal words of Santa Claus, "You'll shoot your eye out, kid!"

144 Bagua  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:31:07pm

re: #141 Charles

My God! Cloward and Piven met Bill Clinton!

We're DOOMED!

[run around screaming...]

I hope this isn't another sex allegation.

145 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:31:20pm

re: #144 Bagua

Ewww...

146 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:31:35pm

Oh no! The dreaded blackboard! Ahhh! Ahhh!

147 Olsonist  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:33:11pm

I had to look up who Cloward and Piven are.

148 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:33:44pm

re: #146 Charles

Oh no! The dreaded blackboard! Ahhh! Ahhh!

You are freaken hilarious tonight. I can't watch him so I'm enjoying the hell of you.

149 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:35:11pm

Cloward and Piven! Cloward and Piven! They're coming for us! No, they've already got us! We're doomed!

The only solution is the 9/12 project and Glenn Beck's Christmas sweater! Buy now before it's too late and Cloward and Piven get you!

150 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:35:24pm

re: #122 Killgore Trout

Ocntroversial!

haha.
I just sent them another strongly worded e-mail.
We'll see.

151 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:36:30pm

re: #147 Olsonist

I had to look up who Cloward and Piven are.

I had to look at that article too. I've heard the term used, but never knew what it meant.

So, I have a question, who agrees with these two people, in the sense agree with their "strategy?" Anyone think they have a good idea?

152 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:36:35pm

SEIU! SDS! ACORN! Cloward and Piven! Woodrow Wilson! Bill Ayers! George Soros! Bill Clinton!

Don'tcha see the connections!

153 Lateralis  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:36:49pm

re: #117 Walter L. Newton

It was a question not a statement and the reason I asked it because my original response was to a state that Islamic extremist could not destroy America. Sure that may not literally destroy America but they can change our society to the extent that it does not resemble the America of today.

Paralyze was a strong word to use in that context but I think the ramification of another attack at that time would of had a devastating effect on many aspects of our society.

154 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:37:20pm

re: #150 reine.de.tout

haha.
I just sent them another strongly worded e-mail.
We'll see.

I lost faith when you said an editor wrote "ocntroversy."

155 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:37:33pm

re: #152 Charles

SEIU! SDS! ACORN! Cloward and Piven Woodrow Wilson! Bill Ayers! George Soros! Bill Clinton!

Don'tcha see the connections!

Woodrow Wilson! George Bush!

Run away!

/

156 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:37:46pm

re: #134 Gus 802

Glenn Beck:

Ape, barmy, bats in the belfry, batty, berserk, bonkers, cracked, crazed, cuckoo, daft, delirious, demented, deranged, dingy, dippy, erratic, flaky, flipped, flipped out, freaked out, fruity, idiotic, insane, kooky, lunatic, mad, mad as a March hare, mad as a hatter, maniacal, mental, moonstruck, nuts, nutty, nutty as fruitcake, of unsound mind, out of one's mind, out of one's tree, out to lunch, potty, psycho, round the bend, schizo, screw loose, screwball, screwy, silly, touched, unbalanced, unglued, unhinged, unzipped, and wacky.

We just call it the "screaming meemies".

157 austin_blue  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:37:50pm

re: #142 Bagua

What do you think of the TSA?

There are three security checkpoints at Newark terminal C. Each has on (1) exit from the gate area to the main concourse. There were probably 100 TSA agents working there. A guy walked through one of the exits into the terminal area. Wasn't challenged, wasn't stopped. Just ran in. They shut the terminal down for six hours, pulled every person off of every plane that had been boarded and hadn't taken off (Thousands, including at least ten transatlantic flights), and ran them through security again. Wouldn't let any landing planes into the gates. We ended up have having to stay over until Monday morning for the flight here.

It was just madness because the TSA couldn't guard three access points. Cost Continental hundreds of thousands of $'s, according to a gate agent I talked to.

Not happy!

158 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:38:14pm

re: #154 JasonA

I lost faith when you said an editor wrote "ocntroversy."

in an e-mail system that has spell-check, I'm sure.

159 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:38:31pm

re: #152 Charles

SEIU! SDS! ACORN! Cloward and Piven Woodrow Wilson! Bill Ayers! George Soros! Bill Clinton!

Don'tcha see the connections!

How could you leave out the Al Gore Connection?
/

160 avanti  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:38:37pm

re: #132 Charles

"Now, I suppose there are people that ... mainly are funded by George Soros ... that will get on their blogs and say this is nothing but conspiratorial nonsense."

No, really? Why, who would ever think that?

What a freaking lunatic!

If George Soro's is funding LGF, you need to give the Lizard army a cut. /

161 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:39:05pm

re: #150 reine.de.tout

I curious about something. I just went and looked and it appears that Catholicism is the #1 religion in LA. I thought they believed in evolution, so why aren't they trying to stop this creationism going into the schools? Do you know?

162 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:39:38pm

re: #149 Charles

Cloward and Piven! Cloward and Piven! They're coming for us! No, they've already got us! We're doomed!

The only solution is the 9/12 project and Glenn Beck's Christmas sweater! Buy now before it's too late and Cloward and Piven get you!

And don't forget to pick up some Gold too!

/the other night I was watching ads for Fox prime time news -- the Gold ads, Binder and Binder trolling for lawsuits ads, and credit counseling ads wayyyyyy outnumbered all else.

163 Olsonist  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:39:55pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

Cloward and Piven are from another era facing different problems. Their notion that we were going to wipe out poverty is quaint. We aren't going to wipe out terrorism either.

164 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:39:57pm

re: #156 reine.de.tout

We just call it the "screaming meemies".

Or the Raving Freakazoid Nut Sandwich

Youtube Video
165 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:40:41pm

re: #155 Gus 802

Woodrow Wilson! George Bush!

Run away!

/

FAIL so thick you could cut it with a knife.

166 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:40:49pm

Has Glenn mentioned the smurfs yet?

167 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:41:34pm

re: #163 Olsonist

Cloward and Piven are from another era facing different problems. Their notion that we were going to wipe out poverty is quaint. We aren't going to wipe out terrorism either.

So, you find nothing in their "ideas" worthwhile?

168 jaunte  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:41:35pm

re: #162 Thanos

I just heard a radio report (Marketplace) pointing out that commodity investors did a lot better in 2009 in lead and orange juice; way ahead of gold.

169 Olsonist  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:42:16pm

re: #167 Walter L. Newton

Not really.

170 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:43:09pm

re: #163 Olsonist

Cloward and Piven are from another era facing different problems. Their notion that we were going to wipe out poverty is quaint. We aren't going to wipe out terrorism either.

1960's is another era? That's only a few decades ago. They formed their idea in 1966.

171 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:43:10pm

re: #126 Kewalo

No I don't think that terrorism is a significant threat to our country. In fact I find it silly that there are still people afraid of them. We're big and strong, not shivering fear junkies, and we should act like adults about it.

Even if they hit a tall building or two in every major city we would not fall.

It was never about the buildings, friend...

172 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:43:45pm

re: #168 jaunte

I just heard a radio report (Marketplace) pointing out that commodity investors did a lot better in 2009 in lead and orange juice; way ahead of gold.

Few people pimping gold want you to look at what Gold did during the Clinton years. (went slightly down and plateaued for years - in other words in terms of real dollars gold lost real value.)

173 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:43:46pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

FAIL so thick you could cut it with a knife.

Yeah. Glenn Beck hopped on board the crazy train years ago and that train has yet to reach its destination.

174 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:45:00pm

Becks "research" is actually Birch Society historical revisionism. He's not coming up with these ideas on his own.

175 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:45:13pm

re: #160 avanti

If George Soro's is funding LGF, you need to give the Lizard army a cut. /

He's investing in LGF, not funding it. Charles gets a big under-the-table payoff from Soros, and in return Soros gets a percentage of those schweeet Amazon kickbacks!

176 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:46:12pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Becks "research" is actually Birch Society historical revisionism. He's not coming up with these ideas on his own.

Bingo, and bears repeating.

177 iceweasel  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:46:17pm

re: #139 HAL2010

Thought from a Brit:

How the fuck can anyone take Glenn seriously?

That is a serious question by the way.

Seriously, the fact that anyone does (and unfortunately many do) is an excellent symbol of what's going on. That's one reason why LGF focusses on him often. There is a great deal of inchoate fear, rage, and anxiety out there right now. The economy meant that you'd have that anyway, but add to it the election of the first black POTUS. And he's a dem.
The wingnuts decided to harnass that rage and fear by pumping out lies about death panels and the like (to take but one example) as their way of being obstructionist. Beck is a sign of the times and the political climate, like it or not.
Short version, others here will likely say it better.

178 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:46:37pm

re: #129 albusteve

anybody or group that tries to kill Americans is a significant thread...anybody that thinks otherwise I have a difficult time taking sreious

Does killing by neglect count?

That is actually why I am so pro-health-care reform. because our current system is killing Americans. Americans are dying of preventable and treatable ailments because they do not have access to care, and cannot have access to care because their medical history serves as a blacklist.

YMMV!

179 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:46:52pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Becks "research" is actually Birch Society historical revisionism. He's not coming up with these ideas on his own.

Absolutely right. This stuff is all rancid garbage that's been circulating for decades among far right conspiracy groups like the Birchers. He's mainstreaming some of the very worst craziness in American society, and the right is lapping it up like fine wine.

180 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:46:55pm

re: #140 Kewalo

I think that gives them way too much credit and if we are afraid we are only doing exactly what they dream of...terrorizing us. It isn't as if we haven't faced adversity before. They don't have armies or navies and can't come here to bomb our cities like during WWII, that was a significant threat. It seems to me that if we can face down the Germans and Japanese then a few goat herders should be much easier.

And personally I find it hard to take someone seriously if they allow those terrorist to scare them.

Actually, terrorism fails utterly if you refuse to be terrified. (In a given year drunk drivers kill 3-5 times more Americans than all Jihadist attacks to date. Drunk drivers terrify me when my kids are on the road.)

181 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:47:09pm

re: #119 Charles

He's getting even crazier! How is that possible?

And he's sounding angrier and angrier. Is it getting close to meltdown time for Glenn?

He melted down a long time ago.

182 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:47:17pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Becks "research" is actually Birch Society historical revisionism. He's not coming up with these ideas on his own.

"Glenn Beck" site:jbs.org search.

183 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:47:58pm

re: #176 Thanos

I wonder if he's simply influenced by the Birch Society or if he has a more formal relationship with them.

184 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:48:13pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

I had to look at that article too. I've heard the term used, but never knew what it meant.

So, I have a question, who agrees with these two people, in the sense agree with their "strategy?" Anyone think they have a good idea?

No me. Those two were fairly nasty customers who wanted to cause massive damage as a prelude to remaking things their way. However, I don't think they are entirely relevant now. While Obama does use crises to push through his ideas, so will any politician. I've seen no evidence that Obama seeks to cause chaos in order to force things to go his way. Thus he lacks the willingness to do damage that made Cloward-Piven dangerous. And even then, it's important to remember that "The System" proven far more durable than Cloward and Piven imagined it would be. In the end, they were just a pair of New Left choads, who produced a lot of noise but did little major damage.

185 albusteve  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:48:45pm

re: #171 The Sanity Inspector

It was never about the buildings, friend...

drifting...the original remarks considered, is terrorism a threat or not...I say it certainly is...losing a "tall building or two" with people in them is utterly unacceptable

186 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:49:23pm

re: #183 Killgore Trout

I wonder if he's simply influenced by the Birch Society or if he has a more formal relationship with them.

The fact that he pimps Skousen makes me wonder as well.

187 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:49:31pm

re: #177 iceweasel

Seriously, the fact that anyone does (and unfortunately many do) is an excellent symbol of what's going on. That's one reason why LGF focusses on him often. There is a great deal of inchoate fear, rage, and anxiety out there right now. The economy meant that you'd have that anyway, but add to it the election of the first black POTUS. And he's a dem.
The wingnuts decided to harnass that rage and fear by pumping out lies about death panels and the like (to take but one example) as their way of being obstructionist. Beck is a sign of the times and the political climate, like it or not.
Short version, others here will likely say it better.

You're absolutely right. And it isn't as if the fear factor hadn't been played for years now, some people have gotten used to it. I keep hoping that people will get over it.

188 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:49:47pm

re: #183 Killgore Trout

I wonder if he's simply influenced by the Birch Society or if he has a more formal relationship with them.

G. Vance Smith, a committed Mormon, now leads the Society...

The John Birch Society - A Puppet Of The LDS

For what this article is worth...

189 daliarose  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:50:21pm

Charles, i appreciate your calm in the video wih this guy. I ust don't get why he has to get snarky whenever you disagree with him.

190 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:50:43pm

re: #170 Walter L. Newton

1960's is another era? That's only a few decades ago. They formed their idea in 1966.

You and I are so last millenium, Walter.

191 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:50:48pm

re: #182 Gus 802

"Glenn Beck" site:jbs.org search.

Birchers love Beck. He's their ticket to something they think resembles respectability, after being shunned by sane people for 50 years.

192 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:50:48pm

re: #178 WindUpBird

Interesting thought. Thanks.

193 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:50:54pm

re: #161 Kewalo

I curious about something. I just went and looked and it appears that Catholicism is the #1 religion in LA. I thought they believed in evolution, so why aren't they trying to stop this creationism going into the schools? Do you know?

Most Catholics have their kids in Catholic school, not public school.

194 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:51:37pm

re: #193 reine.de.tout

Most? Or most in Louisiana?

195 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:52:04pm

Wow, has Beck's show always been two hours long?

196 avanti  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:52:10pm

Yet another conspiracy from the posters at Hot Air. As you may recall the CIA is offering degraded images of ice formations to help the climatologists track ice melt.
Apparently, they think it's more sinister than that:

" Now, let’s assume the CIA is ordered to make further changes or enhancements to these images, say, to show more melting, there would be no way to legally challenge the declassified images due to natinal security concerns.

TXUS on January 5, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Good point, now they can doctor the photo’s to show the predetermined outcomes the global warming alarmists want."

Yep, the CIA has now joined NASA, NOAA and the worlds scientists to promote AGW fraud./// Those guys are a sandwich short of a picnic, unfrigging believable. It's exactly the same logic creationists use in their argument, all tha data is wrong or faked.

197 morrisab  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:52:24pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

BDS is alive and well...

Glenn Beck-01-05-10-B

[Video]At 2:45 Beck labels Bush as a progressive agent of the Cloward Piven conspiracy to destroy the country.

It's all over with, folks. The Republicans can't recover like this. They are rotting from the inside. Game over.

This is interesting to read in light of David Brooks' column in the NYT today (the Tea Party Teens op-ed). It's not just his column, which was just... weird, but the comments on the column - a lot of "righteous" populist anger. Yet Brooks doesn't mention Glenn Beck - and in my mind, the Tea Party movement and Beck are virtually inseparable.

I usually feel optimistic, overall - critical thinking skills exist, my teens and their peers are pretty awesome kids, and reason will triumph, that sort of thing - but the comments on that column left me shaken. And, even more so, what if Beck isn't imploding? What if this is the future - as imagined by David Brooks?

Sorry. I'm new here and don't mean to be a downer. But my mom has stopped mentioning Glenn Beck to me because I just laugh at her incredulously: "Mom, that's a LIE. You wouldn't put up with one of us kids lying to you over and over. Why do you put up with it from him?" (This was over the cars.gov nonsense.) She hasn't mentioned him to me since, but he's still at the top of her Yahoo page. And I could see her writing exactly the same kinds of things I read in those comments to Brooks' column.

Boy, that apology just didn't work at all. Double sorry for being a downer.

198 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:53:20pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

Wow, has Beck's show always been two hours long?

I don't think so,,,, is it sweeps week or something?

/shades of "Network"

199 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:53:22pm

re: #188 Walter L. Newton

G. Vance Smith, a committed Mormon, now leads the Society...

The John Birch Society - A Puppet Of The LDS

For what this article is worth...

I did my own "audit" of that article I linked to... probably a lot of crazy there, but the last CEO (Vance Smith) was Mormon...

200 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:53:28pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

Actually, terrorism fails utterly if you refuse to be terrified. (In a given year drunk drivers kill 3-5 times more Americans than all Jihadist attacks to date. Drunk drivers terrify me when my kids are on the road.)

That's exactly how I feel. I absolutely refuse to let those ignorant religious fanatics scare me. I had ancestors that went across the prairies in a wagon...now that was scary.

201 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:53:34pm

re: #196 avanti

Yet another conspiracy from the posters at Hot Air. As you may recall the CIA is offering degraded images of ice formations to help the climatologists track ice melt.
Apparently, they think it's more sinister than that:

" Now, let’s assume the CIA is ordered to make further changes or enhancements to these images, say, to show more melting, there would be no way to legally challenge the declassified images due to natinal security concerns.

TXUS on January 5, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Good point, now they can doctor the photo’s to show the predetermined outcomes the global warming alarmists want."

Yep, the CIA has now joined NASA, NOAA and the worlds scientists to promote AGW fraud./// Those guys are a sandwich short of a picnic, unfrigging believable. It's exactly the same logic creationists use in their argument, all tha data is wrong or faked.

This one is threadworthy. The CIA is not doing anything wrong, and the Deniers are grasping at straws.

202 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:54:14pm

Weimar republic!

203 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:54:18pm

re: #185 albusteve

drifting...the original remarks considered, is terrorism a threat or not...I say it certainly is...losing a "tall building or two" with people in them is utterly unacceptable

If it's totally unacceptable, what lengths would we need to go to to have a perfect success rate? Would we be willing to harm our economy and become isolationist, making interstate and international travel far more difficult?

I think terrorism is a threat, one threat among many to our country. I think a pandemic (which could also be man-made) that spreads due to horrible health care practices, anti-vaxxers, and general lack of health and emergency response infrastructure is a thousand times the threat to America that an airplane bomber is.

But a pandemic isn't the interesting narrative that a terrorist is, so it doesn't get the play on cable news, doesn't capture people's imagination, doesn't have an easy adversary to point at, etc.

204 austin_blue  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:54:29pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

No me. Those two were fairly nasty customers who wanted to cause massive damage as a prelude to remaking things their way. However, I don't think they are entirely relevant now. While Obama does use crises to push through his ideas, so will any politician. I've seen no evidence that Obama seeks to cause chaos in order to force things to go his way. Thus he lacks the willingness to do damage that made Cloward-Piven dangerous. And even then, it's important to remember that "The System" proven far more durable than Cloward and Piven imagined it would be. In the end, they were just a pair of New Left choads, who produced a lot of noise but did little major damage.

Good post!

205 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:54:30pm

re: #197 morrisab

No worries. Same thing happened with my Mother and I in regard to Pam Gellar.

206 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:54:32pm

re: #200 Kewalo

That's exactly how I feel. I absolutely refuse to let those ignorant religious fanatics scare me. I had ancestors that went across the prairies in a wagon...now that was scary.

Possibly the only good point Bill Maher has made:

Youtube Video
207 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:56:02pm

re: #199 Walter L. Newton

Umm yeah, "The Illuminati" is a dead giveaway that this is a nutball source in itself.

208 austin_blue  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:56:02pm

re: #177 iceweasel

Seriously, the fact that anyone does (and unfortunately many do) is an excellent symbol of what's going on. That's one reason why LGF focusses on him often. There is a great deal of inchoate fear, rage, and anxiety out there right now. The economy meant that you'd have that anyway, but add to it the election of the first black POTUS. And he's a dem.
The wingnuts decided to harnass that rage and fear by pumping out lies about death panels and the like (to take but one example) as their way of being obstructionist. Beck is a sign of the times and the political climate, like it or not.
Short version, others here will likely say it better.

Ice!

How was NY? Hopefully not as cold as the UK over the holidays.

209 iceweasel  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:56:20pm

re: #139 HAL2010

Thought from a Brit:

How the fuck can anyone take Glenn seriously?

That is a serious question by the way.

PS-- I should also add, in addition to all the posts you can find here about it, that to truly understand what's going on now you should read The Paranoid Style in American Politics, Richard Hofstader's great essay from 1964. We're seeing a return of it and Beck is one of the standard bearers. Right down to the return of the Birch Society.

It's short and you can read it here.

Here is an excerpt: from teh section "Why they feel dispossessed"

The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms—he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization. He constantly lives at a turning point. Like religious millenialists he expresses the anxiety of those who are living through the last days and he is sometimes disposed to set a date fort the apocalypse. (“Time is running out,” said Welch in 1951. “Evidence is piling up on many sides and from many sources that October 1952 is the fatal month when Stalin will attack.”)
As a member of the avant-garde who is capable of perceiving the conspiracy before it is fully obvious to an as yet unaroused public, the paranoid is a militant leader. He does not see social conflict as something to be mediated and compromised, in the manner of the working politician. Since what is at stake is always a conflict between absolute good and absolute evil, what is necessary is not compromise but the will to fight things out to a finish. Since the enemy is thought of as being totally evil and totally unappeasable, he must be totally eliminated—if not from the world, at least from the theatre of operations to which the paranoid directs his attention. This demand for total triumph leads to the formulation of hopelessly unrealistic goals, and since these goals are not even remotely attainable, failure constantly heightens the paranoid’s sense of frustration. Even partial success leaves him with the same feeling of powerlessness with which he began, and this in turn only strengthens his awareness of the vast and terrifying quality of the enemy he opposes.

Beck in action.

210 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:56:25pm

re: #191 Charles

Birchers love Beck. He's their ticket to something they think resembles respectability, after being shunned by sane people for 50 years.

Looks like they almost reference him daily.

211 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:56:42pm

re: #204 austin_blue

Good post!

Thank you. I was trying to be objective and as honest as I could. I'm glad you think I succeeded.

212 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:56:57pm

re: #194 Obdicut

Most? Or most in Louisiana?

In Louisiana, sorry.
His question was about Catholics in Louisiana putting a stop to the teaching of creationism in public schools.

I think the reason is that most Catholics have their kids in Catholic school, as my daughter is. Lots of non-Catholics also have their kids in Catholic schools. Here in Baton Rouge, we have more Catholic elementary schools than I care to count right now, and 4 high schools. So there's plenty of room.

213 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:56:58pm

re: #200 Kewalo

That's exactly how I feel. I absolutely refuse to let those ignorant religious fanatics scare me. I had ancestors that went across the prairies in a wagon...now that was scary.


Great line..Who are you?
*wink*

214 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:57:15pm

re: #209 iceweasel

Awsome, I'll give it a go, looks very interesting!

215 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:57:38pm

re: #203 WindUpBird

If it's totally unacceptable, what lengths would we need to go to to have a perfect success rate? Would we be willing to harm our economy and become isolationist, making interstate and international travel far more difficult?

I think terrorism is a threat, one threat among many to our country. I think a pandemic (which could also be man-made) that spreads due to horrible health care practices, anti-vaxxers, and general lack of health and emergency response infrastructure is a thousand times the threat to America that an airplane bomber is.

But a pandemic isn't the interesting narrative that a terrorist is, so it doesn't get the play on cable news, doesn't capture people's imagination, doesn't have an easy adversary to point at, etc.

Well, it appears that Obama may be getting ready to do just that. He asked 14 nations to beef up their security techniques, in short, he is profiling 14 certain countries... and if the news reports are correct, the administration plans added security measures in the near future...

The administration may be willing to do a lot of things that are violations of our rights in the name of security.

Bothers me.

216 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:58:02pm

re: #185 albusteve

drifting...the original remarks considered, is terrorism a threat or not...I say it certainly is...losing a "tall building or two" with people in them is utterly unacceptable

Of course it isn't...who said it was. But I contend that we can take precautions, and not be frightened. I've put together a survival kit just in case, that's smart. I think everyone should do it.

THEY cannot bring down our country even if the worst did happen and that was my point.

217 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:58:36pm

re: #207 Thanos

Umm yeah, "The Illuminati" is a dead giveaway that this is a nutball source in itself.

SOurce is nutball, but Vance-Smith, the last CEO of the JBS evidently was Mormon... that's really what I was looking for, yea, the rest is nut stuff.

218 morrisab  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:58:46pm

re: #205 JasonA

No worries. Same thing happened with my Mother and I in regard to Pam Gellar.

I guess I should be thankful my mom doesn't know who Pam Gellar is. (Heck, I consider myself relatively well-informed and I didn't know who she was until I started spending time here.) I spent a fun 30 minutes tonight looking up "nirth" only to find that "nirth" came from her.

219 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:58:51pm

re: #197 morrisab

Double sorry for being a downer.


No worries. I've come to the same conclusion. I'm hoping that something changes drastically to snap the Republicans/conservatives back into reality but that's looking increasingly unlikely. I'm even starting to feel weird about using the terms "republican" and "conservatives". These labels don't really fit the insane conspiracy lunatics that they've transformed into.

220 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:59:04pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

Weimar republic!

AAUUUGGGHHHH! THE OBAMUNIST IS LIKE HITLER!!111 HE'S GOING TO SHIP US ALL TO HIS SERKRIT FEMA CAMPS!!111111

//

221 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:00:10pm

re: #197 morrisab

Welcome to LGF!

222 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:00:47pm

re: #196 avanti

Just as I predicted last night:

re: #204 Gus 802

Heads explode Part 1,422.

C.I.A. Is Sharing Data With Climate Scientists

and

re: #212 Gus 802

The Obamunists have opened the door to the CIA for the Marxist global warming scientists!!!111!!1

This can only mean one thing!!11!11111 Global government!!11

/

223 charlz  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:00:54pm

re: #162 Thanos

/the other night I was watching ads for Fox prime time news -- the Gold ads, Binder and Binder trolling for lawsuits ads, and credit counseling ads wayyy outnumbered all else.

yeah well I watch CBS/NBC news and apparently I'm in the demographic that has erectile dysfunction, arthritis, and bipolar disorder. Used to be Depends undergarments but you don't see those ads much anymore.

224 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:01:18pm

re: #215 Walter L. Newton

Well, it appears that Obama may be getting ready to do just that. He asked 14 nations to beef up their security techniques, in short, he is profiling 14 certain countries... and if the news reports are correct, the administration plans added security measures in the near future...

The administration may be willing to do a lot of things that are violations of our rights in the name of security.

Bothers me.

I don't have a problem with security at airports, I have a problem with the fact that those measures that are meant to work don't. They are called a "security theater" for a reason. The TSA are a joke.

Check out Goldbergs report and Schneiers blog.

225 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:01:22pm

re: #193 reine.de.tout

Most Catholics have their kids in Catholic school, not public school.

I had an idea it might be that. Thanks

226 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:01:44pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

Weimar republic!

Teh CIA iz in on CLimAtegate!11!!!11!!

//

227 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:02:57pm

re: #224 HAL2010

I don't have a problem with security at airports, I have a problem with the fact that those measures that are meant to work don't. They are called a "security theater" for a reason. The TSA are a joke.

Check out Goldbergs report and Schneiers blog.

You mean you would have no problem with profiling?

228 iceweasel  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:03:11pm

re: #187 Kewalo

You're absolutely right. And it isn't as if the fear factor hadn't been played for years now, some people have gotten used to it. I keep hoping that people will get over it.

Cheers Kewalo! btw, answered you downstairs. :)

229 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:03:35pm

re: #223 charlz

yeah well I watch CBS/NBC news and apparently I'm in the demographic that has erectile dysfunction, arthritis, and bipolar disorder. Used to be Depends undergarments but you don't see those ads much anymore.

Yeah, what happened? Do people not need them anymore? Or are people crapping their pants a lot more...

230 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:03:39pm

Climate-change
Indoctrination
Agency

/

231 albusteve  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:04:01pm

re: #219 Killgore Trout

No worries. I've come to the same conclusion. I'm hoping that something changes drastically to snap the Republicans/conservatives back into reality but that's looking increasingly unlikely. I'm even starting to feel weird about using the terms "republican" and "conservatives". These labels don't really fit the insane conspiracy lunatics that they've transformed into.

I told you months ago it was going to get worse...and I'll say here it's going to get worse again, and again...there is nobody to shut it down....it's not about responsibility, and decency, it's about power and covering your ass....many national figures could have spoken up by now....a year ago I thought it might be Steele...didn't happen, not going to, maybe the 2010 elections will shed some light

232 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:04:06pm

re: #190 Decatur Deb

You and I are so last millenium, Walter.

The bleeding edge 80s stuff I played on college radio is now on the commercial oldies station. The Sixties? Hand me my carbon-14 dating kit...

233 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:04:06pm

re: #212 reine.de.tout

In Louisiana, sorry.
His question was about Catholics in Louisiana putting a stop to the teaching of creationism in public schools.

I think the reason is that most Catholics have their kids in Catholic school, as my daughter is. Lots of non-Catholics also have their kids in Catholic schools. Here in Baton Rouge, we have more Catholic elementary schools than I care to count right now, and 4 high schools. So there's plenty of room.

The Catholics have no real problem with science these days, as long as everyone stays on his own side of the Big Bang.

234 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:04:21pm

re: #230 Gus 802

Climate-change
Indoctrination
Agency

/

Really funny Gus...

235 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:04:22pm

re: #230 Gus 802

Climate-change
Indoctrination
Agency

/

Damn, you're on a roll tonight!

236 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:04:23pm

re: #230 Gus 802

Climate-change
Indoctrination
Agency

/

Lol!
I need to take a break from watching Beck. I'll try to resume after a drink or two.

237 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:04:59pm

re: #215 Walter L. Newton

Well, it appears that Obama may be getting ready to do just that. He asked 14 nations to beef up their security techniques, in short, he is profiling 14 certain countries... and if the news reports are correct, the administration plans added security measures in the near future...

The administration may be willing to do a lot of things that are violations of our rights in the name of security.

Bothers me.

I want to know what they are specifically. I. predicting Obama will make some decisions that might piss off privacy advocates, but we're not going to see anything shocking or draconian. My problem with draconian travel hoops to jump through on account of terrorism, is it's a facade, it's the illusion of security, for a method of travel that is already astonishinly safe, terrorist threats or no. The watch list, it's a sham. it's an absolute joke. Those full body scanners are the real deal, and I suppose some people are calling those a violation of their rights.

238 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:05:08pm

re: #236 Killgore Trout

Lol!
I need to take a break from watching Beck. I'll try to resume after a drink or two.

After a drink or two? That's when he's most dangerous!

239 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:06:03pm

re: #236 Killgore Trout

Lol!
I need to take a break from watching Beck. I'll try to resume after a drink or two.

Make a Cuba Libre?

240 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:06:24pm

re: #227 Walter L. Newton

You mean you would have no problem with profiling?

By the time the terrorist reaches the airport it is usually too late to stop him (in most cases). Profiling is not something I am very comfortable with. However, it is ridiculous that Grandmas knitting needles are taken away due to security concerns. It's a difficult balance and I do not believe that profiling in itself will save that many lives, if any.

241 WindHorse  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:07:06pm

my ex sister-in-law (who had to stop homeschooling her kids because she couldn't handle anything beyond third grade math) was watching a documentary with my kids over the weekend. The documentary was on the design and construction of the World Trade Towers.

Right there... in the middle of the documentary, she says.... "Look, you can see the shoddy construction of the buildings right there!"

242 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:08:19pm

re: #241 WindHorse

my ex sister-in-law (who had to stop homeschooling her kids because she couldn't handle anything beyond third grade math) was watching a documentary with my kids over the weekend. The documentary was on the design and construction of the World Trade Towers.

Right there... in the middle of the documentary, she says... "Look, you can see the shoddy construction of the buildings right there!"

Sure it wasn't second grade?

243 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:08:26pm

re: #241 WindHorse

my ex sister-in-law (who had to stop homeschooling her kids because she couldn't handle anything beyond third grade math) was watching a documentary with my kids over the weekend. The documentary was on the design and construction of the World Trade Towers.

Right there... in the middle of the documentary, she says... "Look, you can see the shoddy construction of the buildings right there!"

truly, we are living in the age of the instant expert :D

244 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:08:45pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

OK - is that a huge spider or a small octopus on that stump behind the raccoon?

It's a rubber spider from the previous tenants...I leave it up there because I like it.

245 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:08:54pm

re: #206 HAL2010

That was terrific! I agreed with Maher and I also thought Sullivan was right on. Thanks!!!

246 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:09:28pm

re: #243 WindUpBird

truly, we are living in the age of the instant expert :D

Happens here all the time.

247 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:09:50pm

re: #243 WindUpBird

truly, we are living in the age of the instant expert :D

Cause of accident: Wiki

/

248 albusteve  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:10:11pm

re: #246 Walter L. Newton

Happens here all the time.

heh...so true

249 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:10:21pm

re: #233 Decatur Deb

The Catholics have no real problem with science these days, as long as everyone stays on his own side of the Big Bang.

I was adopted into a Catholic family at 12 years ago..Trust me..Those nuns were all about science...If you couldn't quote the general gas laws by the 9th grade you were fucked...And flunked...It's that simple...In my youth if you were Catholic you damn well be pretty smart...They would flunk your ass..

250 austin_blue  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:12:06pm

re: #249 HoosierHoops

I was adopted into a Catholic family at 12 years ago..Trust me..Those nuns were all about science...If you couldn't quote the general gas laws by the 9th grade you were fucked...And flunked...It's that simple...In my youth if you were Catholic you damn well be pretty smart...They would flunk your ass..

I had the Jebbies for two years of high school. Too true.

251 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:12:21pm

re: #249 HoosierHoops

I was adopted into a Catholic family at 12 years ago. old.Trust me..Those nuns were all about science...If you couldn't quote the general gas laws by the 9th grade you were fucked...And flunked...It's that simple...In my youth if you were Catholic you damn well be pretty smart...They would flunk your ass..


Crap! PIMF

252 iceweasel  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:12:39pm

re: #208 austin_blue

Ice!

How was NY? Hopefully not as cold as the UK over the holidays.

Hey austin! great! how was your trip?? Jimmah and I are now married. :) Here is our little tribute vid-- skip to the end and you can see a shoutout to lgf.
Warning: not funny to everyone.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

253 iceweasel  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:14:40pm

re: #214 HAL2010

Awsome, I'll give it a go, looks very interesting!

Cool I think it will help. The Birch society is mentioned quite a bit. It's no coincidence that they're on the scene again.

(sorry, multitasking here-- bbiab)

254 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:14:43pm

re: #249 HoosierHoops

I was adopted into a Catholic family at 12 years ago..Trust me..Those nuns were all about science...If you couldn't quote the general gas laws by the 9th grade you were fucked...And flunked...It's that simple...In my youth if you were Catholic you damn well be pretty smart...They would flunk your ass..

And they still do flunk your ass, if you don't do the work.
No social promotions in Catholic school.

255 HAL2010  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:14:44pm

re: #245 Kewalo

Someone wise once said:

First of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself -- nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance.

I think a lot of us forgot that after the attacks.

256 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:14:51pm

re: #203 WindUpBird

If it's totally unacceptable, what lengths would we need to go to to have a perfect success rate? Would we be willing to harm our economy and become isolationist, making interstate and international travel far more difficult?

I think terrorism is a threat, one threat among many to our country. I think a pandemic (which could also be man-made) that spreads due to horrible health care practices, anti-vaxxers, and general lack of health and emergency response infrastructure is a thousand times the threat to America that an airplane bomber is.

But a pandemic isn't the interesting narrative that a terrorist is, so it doesn't get the play on cable news, doesn't capture people's imagination, doesn't have an easy adversary to point at, etc.

People wring their hands and say that there must be "better ways of finding solutions" than warfare. Of course there are. We have already found them. The nations and people of the West use them all the time. They are openness, tolerance, reason, respect for human rights — the fundamental institutions of our civilisation. But no way of finding solutions is so effective that it can work when it isn't being used. And when a violent group defines itself by its comprehensive rejection of all the values on which problem-solving and the peaceful resolution of disputes depend, and embarks instead on a campaign of unlimited murder and destruction, it is morally wrong as well as factually inaccurate to represent this as a case of our needing "better ways of finding solutions". That is why we have to insist, by force if necessary, that everyone else in the world also respect, and enforce, the minimum standards of civilisation and human rights. Western standards.
-- David Deutsch, "What Now", Oct. 25, 2001

257 morrisab  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:14:52pm

re: #219 Killgore Trout

No worries. I've come to the same conclusion. I'm hoping that something changes drastically to snap the Republicans/conservatives back into reality but that's looking increasingly unlikely. I'm even starting to feel weird about using the terms "republican" and "conservatives". These labels don't really fit the insane conspiracy lunatics that they've transformed into.

But you wonder what it would *take* to snap them back into reality. Because, seriously - they'd shout down a Buckley for being "elitist," for instance, and look how Gingrich is treated, and the 24-hour news cycle is feeding both short attention span theatre and the voracious appetite for new/shocking/more. Yet people like Beck - and, by extension, the people who listen to him - don't seem to actually understand how government works (or is supposed to work). I think there's a lot of things wrong with what our government's evolved into (I mean, it was intelligently designed, but clearly evolution trumps God //) and I've been known to attribute many of our current problems to the passage of the 16th Amendment my own self - but not as a far-reaching 100-year conspiracy!

258 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:15:26pm

re: #244 darthstar

It's a rubber spider from the previous tenants...I leave it up there because I like it.

I like it too!
I have a large black one (yours looks green).

259 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:16:07pm

re: #258 reine.de.tout

I like it too!
I have a large black one (yours looks green).

In bed.

260 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:16:16pm

re: #232 The Sanity Inspector

The bleeding edge 80s stuff I played on college radio is now on the commercial oldies station. The Sixties? Hand me my carbon-14 dating kit...

Our Junior High music, on underground radio receivers.

[Link: www.dailymotion.com...]

261 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:17:03pm

re: #252 iceweasel

Hey austin! great! how was your trip?? Jimmah and I are now married. :) Here is our little tribute vid-- skip to the end and you can see a shoutout to lgf.
Warning: not funny to everyone.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

That just wasn't right..
/

262 morrisab  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:17:17pm

re: #254 reine.de.tout

And they still do flunk your ass, if you don't do the work.
No social promotions in Catholic school.

I agree 100%. My daughter's in a Catholic high school and taking biology this year and she is being taught hard science and, yes, evolutionary theory. She has not come home with a single handout or supplement about creationism, and her textbook does not include it even as a theory.

263 iceweasel  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:18:41pm

re: #261 HoosierHoops

That just wasn't right..
/

I know. We're on the left. :(
/

How are you Hoops?!

264 austin_blue  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:18:45pm

re: #252 iceweasel

Hey austin! great! how was your trip?? Jimmah and I are now married. :) Here is our little tribute vid-- skip to the end and you can see a shoutout to lgf.
Warning: not funny to everyone.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Nice, but cold. We were at a family wedding, also (She Who Must Be Obeyed's sister, who married a Scotsman). Tell Jimmah that they had to cancel Hogmanay in Inverness and other northern towns because they were up to their armpits in snow. Brutal winter in the highlands.

265 morrisab  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:20:14pm

re: #221 Floral Giraffe

Welcome to LGF!

Thank you. I've mostly been lurking and commenting here and there, but tonight I have a laptop (and a new furnace!) and my kids are already done with their homework. So it's time for LGF and The Simpsons!

266 austin_blue  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:21:23pm

re: #252 iceweasel

Hey austin! great! how was your trip?? Jimmah and I are now married. :) Here is our little tribute vid-- skip to the end and you can see a shoutout to lgf.
Warning: not funny to everyone.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Oh, and are you the brunette in the video?

267 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:21:55pm

re: #255 HAL2010

Someone wise once said:

First of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself -- nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance.

I think a lot of us forgot that after the attacks.

I saw no panic after 9/11. That, along with the endlessly decried yet perfectly non-existent anti-Muslim backlash, was simply libs seeing what they expected to see.

268 Jimmah  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:22:45pm

re: #266 austin_blue

Oh, and are you the brunette in the video?

I'm wearing my back anarchist outfit in the second part ;-)

269 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:22:54pm

re: #263 iceweasel

I know. We're on the left. :(
/

How are you Hoops?!

Just wonderful Ice..Life is good..
There is word I'm transferring to Singapore in the Springtime...I ordered the Rosetta Stone Chinese edition...
hope today finds you well

270 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:23:27pm

re: #251 HoosierHoops

Crap! PIMF

You flunk! WHACK!!

271 Jimmah  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:24:23pm

re: #268 Jimmah

I'm wearing my back anarchist outfit in the second part ;-)

black anarchist outfit

PIMF

272 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:24:44pm

re: #270 The Sanity Inspector

Have you inspected Beck for any sanity?

273 prairiefire  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:25:24pm

re: #126 Kewalo

I am afraid of them, but I don't think we should be "shivering fear junkies" as a nation. I do think the threat should be taken seriously.

274 iceweasel  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:25:35pm

re: #266 austin_blue

Oh, and are you the brunette in the video?

haha--- Jimmah and I had a running joke here about that. Some joke I once made about putting on my anarchist outfit. :)

275 iceweasel  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:26:17pm

re: #272 JasonA

Have you inspected Beck for any sanity?

He's been inspected. USDA grade FAIL.

276 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:27:37pm

re: #275 iceweasel

He's been inspected. USDA grade FAIL.

Glenn Beck: Rejected
Cause: Mad Cow Disease

277 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:28:09pm

re: #272 JasonA

Have you inspected Beck for any sanity?

I prefer listening to him on the radio in my car. Performance-wise, that's his natural medium. Having to sit still and watch him on the Glass Teat is a chore.

278 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:28:30pm

re: #276 Gus 802

Glenn Beck: Rejected
Cause: Mad Cow Disease

ManCow Disease?

279 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:29:18pm

Billy Connolly - Mad Cow's Disease

Youtube Video

NSFW and sensitive ears.

280 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:32:36pm

re: #212 reine.de.tout

Thanks, figured that's what you meant. I wish I'd gone to Catholic school, and I'm an ex-Catholic, emphasis on the ex.

281 austin_blue  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:33:06pm

re: #271 Jimmah

black anarchist outfit

PIMF

Well, Baby Got Back......

282 Jimmah  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:33:57pm

re: #264 austin_blue

Nice, but cold. We were at a family wedding, also (She Who Must Be Obeyed's sister, who married a Scotsman). Tell Jimmah that they had to cancel Hogmanay in Inverness and other northern towns because they were up to their armpits in snow. Brutal winter in the highlands.

Hi austin - hope you had a great time despite the weather :) At the moment, the whole of Scotland is completely frozen, with a nasty covering of melted/refrozen ice. Had a nasty accident the other day when I made the mistake of running on black ice (didn't see it) - won't be able to use my left arm for a while as a result. Gaah.

283 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:36:00pm

It is interesting that a Heritage guy would try to distance himself from the very things his organization pimps. It seems clear that even they know this ID crap and other stuff is ridiculous.

284 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:36:07pm

re: #278 JasonA

ManCow Disease?

You ain't kidding, buddy. Although Glen Beck still has a way to go before he reaches Mueller's level of insanity.

285 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:37:02pm

re: #283 LudwigVanQuixote

It is interesting that a Heritage guy would try to distance himself from the very things his organization pimps. It seems clear that even they know this ID crap and other stuff is ridiculous.

Hello, Ludwig! Did you happen to see this post from upthread?

re: #196 avanti

Yet another conspiracy from the posters at Hot Air. As you may recall the CIA is offering degraded images of ice formations to help the climatologists track ice melt.
Apparently, they think it's more sinister than that:

" Now, let’s assume the CIA is ordered to make further changes or enhancements to these images, say, to show more melting, there would be no way to legally challenge the declassified images due to natinal security concerns.

TXUS on January 5, 2010 at 10:24 AM

Good point, now they can doctor the photo’s to show the predetermined outcomes the global warming alarmists want."

Yep, the CIA has now joined NASA, NOAA and the worlds scientists to promote AGW fraud./// Those guys are a sandwich short of a picnic, unfrigging believable. It's exactly the same logic creationists use in their argument, all tha data is wrong or faked.

286 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:38:17pm

re: #282 Jimmah

HINT for Ice's next present....
Running shoes with cleats!

287 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:41:11pm

re: #282 Jimmah

Hi austin - hope you had a great time despite the weather :) At the moment, the whole of Scotland is completely frozen, with a nasty covering of melted/refrozen ice. Had a nasty accident the other day when I made the mistake of running on black ice (didn't see it) - won't be able to use my left arm for a while as a result. Gaah.

See? You should never have left New York :P

288 austin_blue  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:42:22pm

re: #282 Jimmah

Hi austin - hope you had a great time despite the weather :) At the moment, the whole of Scotland is completely frozen, with a nasty covering of melted/refrozen ice. Had a nasty accident the other day when I made the mistake of running on black ice (didn't see it) - won't be able to use my left arm for a while as a result. Gaah.

Yeah, they cancelled Hogmany in Inverness and two idiots died hiking on Ben Nevis (!!). Black ice is the shit isn't it? Experienced it in the northern peninsula of Michigan back when I was in the Air Force. All you can do is hold on and pray.

289 prairiefire  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:43:10pm

Black Ice kills in my town. Derrick Thomas, KC Chiefs.

290 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:46:07pm

re: #286 Floral Giraffe

HINT for Ice's next present...
Running shoes with cleats!

Why doesn't New Balance have a white and pink running shoe yet?
Every Man would run with a pair of shoes with pink..Because all of us support breast cancer research....

291 austin_blue  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:48:02pm

re: #288 austin_blue

Yeah, they cancelled Hogmany in Inverness and two idiots died hiking on Ben Nevis (!!). Black ice is the shit isn't it? Experienced it in the northern peninsula of Michigan back when I was in the Air Force. All you can do is hold on and pray.

Hogmanay. Shit. Mea culpa.

292 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:51:22pm

re: #291 austin_blue

Hogmanay. Shit. Mea culpa.

I still have no clue what you're talkin' 'bout :P

293 Jimmah  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:52:44pm

re: #287 JasonA

See? You should never have left New York :P

Ha! Can't disagree wuth that at all - NYC was colder and had much more snow yet...the sidewalks were kept reasonably safe to walk on. I think here in Scotland we are so used to mild winters, we were caught unawares this time.

294 Jimmah  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:54:33pm

re: #288 austin_blue

Yeah, they cancelled Hogmany in Inverness and two idiots died hiking on Ben Nevis (!!). Black ice is the shit isn't it? Experienced it in the northern peninsula of Michigan back when I was in the Air Force. All you can do is hold on and pray.

It seems there's always at least one dies on the mountains after an ill prepared hike...damn.

295 Timmeh  Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:05:11am

If there's a good case to be made against allowing euthanasia in some cases, I don't think that Conn did a very good job of making it.

I think that we can all agree that a broken-hearted teenager shouldn't commit suicide, and that efforts to prevent suicides should be taken. I don't think even Kevorkian would help a healthy person commit suicide, and a healthy person wouldn't need his help anyway.

For a party that (supposedly) believes in small government and keeping the government out of our private lives and personal decisions, all that goes out the window when it comes to end-of-life decisions or reproductive decisions. At its heart, it's all about making everybody obey what they consider to be God's law. Conn's claim that he's not religious seems a little odd considering the organization he works for and the beliefs he holds.

One thing is certain: we are all mortal. There is no choice about avoiding death ultimately, only about the timing and manner of death.

I don't presume to have the wisdom to make this choice for others, or to preclude them from making this choice


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2023-04-04 11:11 am PDT LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal Cash.app
Recent PagesClick to refresh
Trump Allies Test a New Strategy for Blocking Election Results They Don’t Like When a member of Georgia’s Fulton County Board of Registration and Elections refused to join her colleagues as they certified two primaries this year, she claimed she had been denied her right to examine a long list of election ...
Cheechako
1 hour ago
Views: 37 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
US Military M17 & M18 Pistols Causing Unintentional Discharges Documents detail U.S. soldiers shot by their own Sig Sauer guns; military says no reason for concern Around lunchtime on Feb. 8, 2023, inside an administrative office at Fort Eustis in Virginia, a sergeant with the Army’s 221st Military ...
William Lewis
16 hours ago
Views: 74 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0
The Good Liars at Miami Trump Rally [VIDEO] Jason and Davram talk with Trump supporters about art, Mike Lindell, who is really president and more! SUPPORT US: herohero.co SEE THE GOOD LIARS LIVE!LOS ANGELES, CA squadup.com SUBSCRIBE TO OUR AUDIO PODCAST:Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.comSpotify: open.spotify.comJoin this channel to ...
teleskiguy
3 weeks ago
Views: 724 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 0