Video: James Dean and Ronald Reagan, Circa 1954

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The Atlantic has an exclusive report on some very cool recently unearthed footage from a TV episode featuring Ronald Reagan and James Dean acting together, unseen since 1954: Ronald Reagan and James Dean: Rare Video From 1954.

In the clip, Dean is a hopped up (and really dumb) teenage delinquent who breaks into the home of a doctor (Reagan) and forces him to treat an injured friend. The scene in which Reagan operates on the friend’s bullet wound is a classic, as Dean cranks up some wild jazz on the radio and starts jiving around like a crazed, armed beatnik.

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(Hat tip: Atlantic deputy editor John Gould.)

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372 comments
1 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:55:19pm

This is so freakin' awesome!

Damn beatniks!

2 Nemesis6  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:57:03pm

Ronald Reagan hates black people, apparently:

Youtube Video
3 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:57:12pm

I have been called a Reagan idolater here. This may not help. I really respect that man and his Presidency. Not saying it was perfect, or uncontroversial. Too bad his fans deny the warts and the critics deny the successes.

4 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 2:59:11pm

re: #2 Nemesis6

Such a good clip and show >>

5 recusancy  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:00:32pm

re: #4 windsagio

Such a good clip and show >>

Did you see the one with Ann Coultor?

6 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:01:18pm

Equating crack and Aids with Reagan as if he made them happen, is just a damn lie. Argue his policies in those early days of AIDS all you want but if you believe crack was a US government invention to hurt black communities you just might be a truther and birther too.

7 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:01:45pm

re: #5 recusancy

I have seen them all! My favorite ones are the Ed/Gin Rummy bits >>

Next season in May >>

8 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:02:23pm

re: #6 Rightwingconspirator

Chill out, its satire >

9 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:03:24pm

So much of this "beat bad boy" style is wonderfully portrayed in David Lynch's "Blue Velvet." Actually, this style is portray in most of his "film noir" features.

10 McSpiff  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:03:32pm

"I don't know whether to beat you or kill you"

That is one seriously bad ass line.

11 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:03:49pm

re: #3 Rightwingconspirator

I have been called a Reagan idolater here. This may not help. I really respect that man and his Presidency. Not saying it was perfect, or uncontroversial. Too bad his fans deny the warts and the critics deny the successes.

We are California Natives..Reagan will always be one of our treasures..Forever..
Fuck everybody else..
Hi! How is Dragon_lady?

12 Jack Burton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:05:19pm

re: #6 Rightwingconspirator

Equating crack and Aids with Reagan as if he made them happen, is just a damn lie. Argue his policies in those early days of AIDS all you want but if you believe crack was a US government invention to hurt black communities you just might be a truther and birther too.

Although the Boondocks is often hilarious, it's also chock full of ridiculous paranoid bullshit like that. Luckily I'm getting better at tuning out nonsense or at least viewing it as a self parody (as in "OMG McGruder actually believes this shit LOL"). Tea Partiers and Far Left Moonbats never cease to be a source of comedy to me when viewed in this manner.

13 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:06:36pm

re: #9 Walter L. Newton

So much of this "beat bad boy" style is wonderfully portrayed in David Lynch's "Blue Velvet." Actually, this style is portray in most of his "film noir" features.

I thought James Dean was great in this clip. Reminded me of the only roles i liked Brad Pitt in - crazy roles (12 Monkeys and Burn After Reading).

14 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:06:42pm

re: #12 ArchangelMichael

In defense of the show, from interviews, MacGruder doesn't hold to Huey's viewpoints, which are reflected in the show.

The clip is a lot less offensive with the context, but just having the whole episode doesn't give enough >>

15 Sigma_x  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:07:05pm

Wow - now that is, like, way out there, dad.

16 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:07:41pm

crazed, armed beatnik.

Sounds like a college band name waiting to happen.

17 Jack Burton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:09:49pm

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

crazed, armed beatnik.

Sounds like a college band name waiting to happen.

"Nah, too college radio..."

18 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:10:23pm

re: #11 HoosierHoops

One shining treasure for a state that has gone to complete and utter shit.

19 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:10:31pm

re: #13 Aceofwhat?

I thought James Dean was great in this clip. Reminded me of the only roles i liked Brad Pitt in - crazy roles (12 Monkeys and Burn After Reading).

He was genius in a River runs through it
That's a fact..Made up for Troy really...Although if truth be told..Every woman watched Troy to see Brad get naked..Go ahead ..It's ok Ladies...you can admit it....(Rentals just went up a thousand fold from this post)

20 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:11:30pm

re: #17 ArchangelMichael

"Nah, too college radio..."

"What about 'Everyone gets laid'?"

21 Jack Burton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:12:27pm

re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"What about 'Everyone gets laid'?"

"The womynists will be all over us for that one."

22 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:13:16pm

re: #21 ArchangelMichael

"The womynists will be all over us for that one."

"Wait...you mean if we're nice to them...they bring us stuff?"

23 Stanghazi  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:13:57pm

I recognize Walter's smoking jacket, er robe.

24 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:14:12pm

re: #8 windsagio

Satire is no excuse. This is a tough room for anything positive about Reagan. Oh well.

25 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:15:08pm

re: #11 HoosierHoops

Hi
Dragon_Lady is just fine. We have a new small biz project underway. So we are pretty busy with that.

26 Jack Burton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:15:39pm

re: #24 Rightwingconspirator

Satire is no excuse. This is a tough room for anything positive about Reagan. Oh well.

It's hard to shake off a couple of decades of RDS, especially if infected with it from childhood as many people here may have been.

27 Jack Burton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:16:31pm

re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Wait...you mean if we're nice to them...they bring us stuff?"

"Yes... We would like..... a... BEER...."

28 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:16:45pm

re: #24 Rightwingconspirator

Wait, its a tough room to be positive about Reagan?

The only people I know that really rip on him are Cato and I.

I'll meet you half way, a number of things said in that clip simply aren't true :D

29 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:19:25pm

re: #9 Walter L. Newton

So much of this "beat bad boy" style is wonderfully portrayed in David Lynch's "Blue Velvet." Actually, this style is portray in most of his "film noir" features.

One of the scariest things ever filmed: Dennis Hopper huffing nitrous through a surgical mask before having ritual sex with Isabella Rosseliini to Bobby Vinton's rendition of the title tune.

30 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:20:04pm

That Beatnick music man... It makes them kids evil...

The American right has always sought the "evil influence" that suddenly turned kids rebellious. You know like comics, and jazz, and beatniks and then rock and video games.

This is fascinating in a super tragic look how messed up 1954 was.

How about this? Demanding oppressive and unrealistic conformity creates youthful rebels. Uninvolved parents who are not properly involved in the lives of their kids or dedicated to their own marriages fucks up children even more.

But that of course would actually be taking personal responsibility for one's own actions. That is very un-American. Better to blame comic books and music.

31 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:20:08pm

re: #28 windsagio

Okay fair enough. I must be "lucky", I'm two for two with you and Cato on him. And for my half of the halfway-He sure knew how to make big mistakes along the way to his successes. Enough that one needs not make stuff up to be a critic.

32 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:20:42pm

re: #29 Cato the Elder

One of the scariest things ever filmed: Dennis Hopper huffing nitrous through a surgical mask before having ritual sex with Isabella Rosseliini to Bobby Vinton's rendition of the title tune.

Scary... I thought it was funny?

33 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:20:59pm

re: #27 ArchangelMichael

"Yes... We would like... a... BEER..."

You participated in a phallus-naming?

34 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:21:46pm

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You participated in a phallus-naming?

did somebody say 'octagon'?

/

35 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:22:21pm

Ug, I just reflexively grabbed a can of soda to take a drink and realized its from the pepsi can I forgot to throw away from last friday.

hack hack.

36 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:23:03pm

re: #32 Walter L. Newton

Scary... I thought it was funny?

I knew some people like Frank Booth back in the day. Folks with looks that could kill. That character scared the bejeebus out of me.

37 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:23:06pm

re: #32 Walter L. Newton

Scary... I thought it was funny?

I'm with you, Walter. That flick was fascinating in a sort of detached and bemusing way. Sorta psuedosick. Fun.

38 MandyManners  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:23:15pm

I miss Reagan.

39 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:23:47pm

re: #25 Rightwingconspirator

Hi
Dragon_Lady is just fine. We have a new small biz project underway. So we are pretty busy with that.

That's great..Best of luck!
We were brainstorming some iPad apps here Saturday morning..Had some great ideas...I like the 1.99 app that locates your iPad when stolen via GPS...
Send the link to the local cops..Let them recover it in real time...There were some good ideas..I'm just trolling for good programmers the next couple of months...Hoping Charles likes some of the input...

40 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:24:47pm

re: #38 MandyManners

I miss Reagan.

Why?

41 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:25:11pm

re: #38 MandyManners

I miss Reagan.

Reagan built a bridge back to where you could be an American and not be ashamed of it. That has changed lately though.

42 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:25:14pm

re: #40 freetoken

Wouldn't you miss your God, if he'd gone away?

43 Jack Burton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:25:49pm

re: #29 Cato the Elder

One of the scariest things ever filmed: Dennis Hopper huffing nitrous through a surgical mask before having ritual sex with Isabella Rosseliini to Bobby Vinton's rendition of the title tune.

I did think when they went for a ride and Frank Booth told Jeffery about the "love letter" was a little more unsettling.

Youtube Video
44 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:26:02pm

re: #41 The Shadow Do

Yeah, by selling weapons to post-revolution Iran. I was sure proud of that!!!

45 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:26:12pm

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ug, I just reflexively grabbed a can of soda to take a drink and realized its from the pepsi can I forgot to throw away from last friday.

hack hack.

yikes. time to clean the pad...

46 pharmmajor  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:31:29pm

Damn, every time I see clips like this, I mourn the fact that all the greats who made up Hollywood's golden era are gone.

47 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:31:57pm

re: #44 windsagio

Yeah, by selling weapons to post-revolution Iran. I was sure proud of that!!!

No, of course you're not. More likely you were in support of the Sandanistas and the whole contra thing upsets you and others to end.

48 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:32:23pm

re: #42 windsagio

It was a serious question, not intended to be snarky.

49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:33:27pm

re: #4 windsagio

Such a good clip and show >>

hahahah PRAISE WHITE JESUS

50 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:33:49pm

re: #47 The Shadow Do

heh, congrats on detecting sarcasm without a tag >>

Nice deflection, well not really. I'm more focused on the fact that He sold Weapons to Iran.

51 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:34:07pm

I miss Knight Rider.

52 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:34:33pm

re: #48 freetoken

Eeh, my apologies. It was apropos with the Boondocks clip above :p

53 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:34:40pm

re: #38 MandyManners

I miss Reagan.

I miss voodoo economics.

Oh, wait...

54 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:34:56pm

Wow, I never realized that Reagan was a surgeon too...

/

55 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:34:58pm

re: #51 WindUpBird

I'm ignoring you now!

56 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:34:59pm

re: #51 WindUpBird

I miss Knight Rider.

I miss Knight Ridder.

57 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:35:01pm

re: #51 WindUpBird

I miss Knight Rider.

That was a toss-up. +1 because I'm assuming it was sarcasm, otherwise I'm taking it back

58 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:35:09pm

re: #54 ausador

And he swings!

59 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:36:19pm

RWC: I guess I was wrong; the room is a bit tougher on Reagan than I thought.

That being said, he deserves it :p Dude's ridden on Gorbachev's coattails for all too long.

60 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:36:24pm

re: #53 Cato the Elder

I miss parachute pants.

61 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:36:58pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

I miss 'Flannels tied around the waist', but that's the wrong era really.

62 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:37:15pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

I miss parachute pants.

Really?

63 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:37:35pm

re: #59 windsagio

RWC: I guess I was wrong; the room is a bit tougher on Reagan than I thought.

That being said, he deserves it :p Dude's ridden on Gorbachev's coattails for all too long.

yep, 4 more years of Carter would have really sewn things up nicely//

64 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:37:56pm

re: #62 darthstar

Can't touch this.

65 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:38:09pm

re: #50 windsagio

heh, congrats on detecting sarcasm without a tag >>

Nice deflection, well not really. I'm more focused on the fact that He sold Weapons to Iran.

Why, it is just a corrolary to leftist congress support of the Sandanistas and the blocking of more direct aid to the Contras. Bad tactics by the right, real bad politics by the left. Same old, same old.

66 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:38:19pm

I miss Rooster Cogburn.

Sorry, scratch that. He's back.

67 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:38:25pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Can't touch this.

Won't.

68 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:38:47pm

re: #63 Aceofwhat?

Hey now, Carter being bad doesn't make the person after him good :p

Anyways, I have a soft spot for Jimmy C. He's the only one that tried to follow up his human-rights/anticommunist rhetoric with actual policy.

Of course, that's why he failed as a President.

69 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:40:10pm

re: #68 windsagio

Hey now, Carter being bad doesn't make the person after him good :p

Anyways, I have a soft spot for Jimmy C. He's the only one that tried to follow up his human-rights/anticommunist rhetoric with actual policy.

Of course, that's why he failed as a President.

no worries, i just lacked the willpower to resist;)

what's the story behind today's avatar? i don't recognize the art, except it looks painted rather than animated...

70 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:40:10pm

re: #68 windsagio

Hey now, Carter being bad doesn't make the person after him good :p

Anyways, I have a soft spot for Jimmy C. He's the only one that tried to follow up his human-rights/anticommunist rhetoric with actual policy.

Of course, that's why he failed as a President.

And he's been the best ex-president in our lifetime.

71 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:40:24pm

re: #55 windsagio

I'm ignoring you now!

I miss Max Headroom.

72 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:40:25pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Can't touch this.

Why would I want to?

73 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:40:27pm

re: #65 The Shadow Do

Gah! Do you seriously consider 'leftist support of Sandinistas in congress' as equivalent to 'selling weapons illegally to a sworn enemy'?

'cuz Christ.

74 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:40:53pm

re: #70 darthstar

Brave to say that :D

I agree tho >>

75 Jack Burton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:41:21pm

re: #66 Cato the Elder

I miss Rooster Cogburn.

Sorry, scratch that. He's back.

For the love of...

Cant they leave anything alone?

76 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:41:29pm

re: #68 windsagio

Hey now, Carter being bad doesn't make the person after him good :p

Anyways, I have a soft spot for Jimmy C. He's the only one that tried to follow up his human-rights/anticommunist rhetoric with actual policy.

Of course, that's why he failed as a President.

He backed up anticommunist rhetoric by putting the Panama Canal in the hands of the Red Chinese? What the heck are you saying?

77 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:41:43pm

re: #70 darthstar

And he's been the best ex-president in our lifetime.

Oh, give me a goddamn break!

Stinking little anti-Semitic Israel-hating pisher. "Me too! I want a Nobel Peace Prize too!"

Fuck him.

78 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:41:51pm

re: #69 Aceofwhat?

I get them all off of the same site. Its all amateur art. I picked that one 'cuz it has a furry link for WUB and a cat, which I'm supposed to have for every pic >>

79 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:41:55pm

re: #73 windsagio

Gah! Do you seriously consider 'leftist support of Sandinistas in congress' as equivalent to 'selling weapons illegally to a sworn enemy'?

'cuz Christ.

Lol :D

80 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:41:58pm

re: #66 Cato the Elder

I miss Rooster Cogburn.

Sorry, scratch that. He's back.

Looks like a movie I want to see.

81 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:42:17pm

re: #77 Cato the Elder

Darth; can't ssay I didn't warn you!

82 Jack Burton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:42:21pm

re: #71 WindUpBird

I miss Max Headroom.

Yeah...

But only because I miss Amanda Pays from the TV show.

83 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:42:49pm

re: #62 darthstar

Really?

I'm just glad that Bowie and Freddy Mercury are the only vocalists for this bass line again...

Youtube Video
84 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:43:01pm

I'm ashamed to say that Jimmy Carter is an Atlanta Braves fan.

Fuck Jimmy Carter.

85 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:43:20pm

re: #82 ArchangelMichael

Yeah...

But only because I miss Amanda Pays from the TV show.

I miss Amanda Hughenkisz

86 Racer X  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:43:33pm

re: #77 Cato the Elder

Oh, give me a goddamn break!

Stinking little anti-Semitic Israel-hating pisher. "Me too! I want a Nobel Peace Prize too!"

Fuck him.

Heh.

Cato hates Reagan; Cato hates Carter.

Who does Cato like?

87 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:43:42pm

All y'all can keep Carter and Reagan.

If forced to choose, I'd choose Reagan. At least I believe he actually believed most of his own shit.

Carter was a race-card playing, two-faced, lying little putz from day one.

88 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:43:50pm

re: #76 The Shadow Do

No *expletive deleted*, he tried to block all sales of grain to the USSR.

89 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:44:10pm

re: #73 windsagio

Gah! Do you seriously consider 'leftist support of Sandinistas in congress' as equivalent to 'selling weapons illegally to a sworn enemy'?

'cuz Christ.

Why the hang up on the weapons program. I'm pretty sure we were ok with Iran and Sadam's Iraq clubbing each other to a stand off at the time.

The whole weapons to Iran thing was simply a political gotcha. Ollie caught it, Reagan walked. Heh.

90 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:44:29pm

re: #86 Racer X

Heh.

Cato hates Reagan; Cato hates Carter.

Who does Cato like?

Isabella Rossellini.

91 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:44:33pm

OT:

Day 6 of the unintended extended UK vacation.

We are now Internally Displaced Persons. After having three flights cancelled in Edinburgh (where our next window was April 27th), we have trained to Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire, to She Who Must Be Obeyed's sister's home, for a booked flight out on April 24th to Houston.

The cloud is now referred to as the Gigantic Icelandic Pain in the Ash.

Best joke so far:

"The dying Icelandic economy's dying wish was that its ashes be scattered over Europe."

Ha ha!

So far:

Extra cash spent: $1200.

Vacation time lost: 24 hours @ $30/hour.

Score sheet:

Nature- 1, Modern Technology- Epic Fail

92 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:45:09pm

re: #86 Racer X

Heh.

Cato hates Reagan; Cato hates Carter.

Who does Cato like?

Morena Baccarin

and he's right...

93 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:45:10pm

re: #89 The Shadow Do

That is a deeply dishonest position to take.

94 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:45:35pm

re: #88 windsagio

No *expletive deleted*, he tried to block all sales of grain to the USSR.

Very muscular.

95 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:45:48pm

re: #74 windsagio

Brave to say that :D

I agree tho >>

Carter's work with Habitat for Humanity, his diplomatic missions abroad, etc. have been unequaled by any other ex-president. What has George HW Bush done (aside from joining Clinton after the 2004 Tsunami)? And what has the idiot son of said asshole done (aside from joining Clinton after the Haiti earthquake)?


Remember this classic?

Youtube Video
96 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:45:57pm

re: #91 austin_blue

OT:

Day 6 of the unintended extended UK vacation.

We are now Internally Displaced Persons. After having three flights cancelled in Edinburgh (where our next window was April 27th), we have trained to Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire, to She Who Must Be Obeyed's sister's home, for a booked flight out on April 24th to Houston.

The cloud is now referred to as the Gigantic Icelandic Pain in the Ash.

Best joke so far:

"The dying Icelandic economy's dying wish was that its ashes be scattered over Europe."

Ha ha!

So far:

Extra cash spent: $1200.

Vacation time lost: 24 hours @ $30/hour.

Score sheet:

Nature- 1, Modern Technology- Epic Fail

We never should have given up regular, affordable ocean liner service across the Atlantic.

97 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:46:10pm

re: #94 The Shadow Do

The expletive in question was 'retard'.

You're not being honest tho', maybe not even to yourself. Its hard to bear.

98 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:46:32pm

re: #95 darthstar

Carter's "diplomatic missions abroad"?

99 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:46:49pm

re: #95 darthstar

But he said bad things about Israel! That negates everything else he's ever done!

100 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:46:51pm

re: #93 windsagio

That is a deeply dishonest position to take.

Yup that's me. Oops I did not say that. I am not a crook!

101 Racer X  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:46:52pm

I miss Linda Carter

102 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:47:11pm

re: #94 The Shadow Do

Altho', I"ll grant it was a good comeback.

103 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:47:24pm

re: #98 Aceofwhat?

Carter's "diplomatic missions abroad"?

Really. Certifying rigged votes?

He should have stuck to his hammering for humanity.

104 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:47:55pm

re: #100 The Shadow Do

Gah and another one. You could be a funny guy, if you'd just dump the blind tribalism!!

105 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:48:09pm

re: #95 darthstar

his diplomatic missions abroad


Gah!

106 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:48:24pm

re: #89 The Shadow Do

Why the hang up on the weapons program. I'm pretty sure we were ok with Iran and Sadam's Iraq clubbing each other to a stand off at the time.

The whole weapons to Iran thing was simply a political gotcha. Ollie caught it, Reagan walked. Heh.

we just don't like the double standard here of worshipping Reagan and completely overlooking the fact that he full-on 100% aided Iran, and going nuckingfutz over Obama because he hasn't bombed Iran into the center of the earth and salted the crater so that nothing can ever grow there again.

gets sorta lame, this selective memory about Reagan... I'm with Bush Sr. on Reagan. his economic policy was horseshit.

107 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:48:47pm

re: #97 windsagio

The expletive in question was 'retard'.

You're not being honest tho', maybe not even to yourself. Its hard to bear.

He didn't say bad things about Israel, you twit. He told outright lies and supported (and, I assume, still supports) Hamas.

The sooner he joins his friend Arafat for a dirt nap, the happier I'll be.

108 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:49:10pm

re: #97 windsagio

The expletive in question was 'retard'.

You're not being honest tho', maybe not even to yourself. Its hard to bear.


Charming.

109 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:49:44pm

re: #96 Cato the Elder

We never should have given up regular, affordable ocean liner service across the Atlantic.

Four day transits? Nah. Doomed.

110 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:49:45pm

re: #107 Cato the Elder

The emotional force that your responses to Carter show makes me doubt that you're able to discuss him rationally.

111 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:49:52pm

OT: I have no love for Lindsey Graham, but this is out of bounds. I can't decide who's uglier, the crowd or the speaker. Ugh.

Starts around 6:16.

US Senator Graham asked to Admit His Homosexuality at Tea Party Event

Youtube Video
112 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:50:00pm

re: #108 The Shadow Do

I'm chock full o' charm >>

113 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:50:04pm

re: #99 windsagio

But he said bad things about Israel! That negates everything else he's ever done!

Oh crap...that's right. So that thing he did with Begin & Sadat was what again?

There were two 1978 Camp David agreements: A Framework for Peace in the Middle East and A Framework for the Conclusion of a Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel, the second leading towards the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty signed in March 1979. The agreements and the peace treaty were both accompanied by "side-letters" of understanding between Egypt and the U.S. and Israel and the U.S.
114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:50:09pm

re: #82 ArchangelMichael

Yeah...

But only because I miss Amanda Pays from the TV show.

I miss Max Headroom because we have yet to have another cyberpunk TV show of any note :(

115 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:50:39pm

re: #110 windsagio

The emotional force that your responses to Carter show makes me doubt that you're able to discuss him rationally.

I'll cope.

116 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:51:01pm

Any other Lizards stranded or is it just me?

117 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:51:08pm

re: #111 CuriousLurker

Those ALIPAC guys are psycho. Hopefully they become a laughingstock over this.

Why is it all these anti-immigration groups never make any damn sense?

118 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:51:15pm

And later tonight... episode 13 of season 6, the final season of LOST... "The Last Recruit" which is about... well, it's about 43 minutes long and after it's over you will be saying, as always "What the Fuck" ?

119 McSpiff  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:51:38pm

re: #107 Cato the Elder

He didn't say bad things about Israel, you twit. He told outright lies and supported (and, I assume, still supports) Hamas.

The sooner he joins his friend Arafat for a dirt nap, the happier I'll be.

You do know where many Islamic groups like Hamas and Hez get their weapons right? Iran. So you're really say the guy who actively sold weapons to one of Islam's largest arms dealers was really a great friend to Israel?

120 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:51:39pm

re: #106 WindUpBird

we just don't like the double standard here of worshipping Reagan and completely overlooking the fact that he full-on 100% aided Iran, and going nuckingfutz over Obama because he hasn't bombed Iran into the center of the earth and salted the crater so that nothing can ever grow there again.

gets sorta lame, this selective memory about Reagan... I'm with Bush Sr. on Reagan. his economic policy was horseshit.

Why are you associating me with this double standard? It ain't mine.

I guess you meant in the abstract or some such?

121 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:51:47pm

re: #116 austin_blue

Any other Lizards stranded or is it just me?

you mean existentially? or are you literally stuck in an airport?

122 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:51:57pm

re: #115 Cato the Elder

That doesn't help the rest of us :P

Have comfort that as far as LGF goes, you're amongst the vast majority re:Carter.

I'll try not to call anyone a 'retard' if you can scale back the naked hate some, think we have a deal? :D

123 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:52:47pm

re: #121 WindUpBird

I think he went to England for something, if I remember right.

To see the G/F?

124 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:53:03pm

re: #120 The Shadow Do

Why are you associating me with this double standard? It ain't mine.

I guess you meant in the abstract or some such?

well, you're like waving off one of the most important news stories of Reagan's administration as a mere "gotcha", that's why I'm associating you with this double standard. :)

I was not that old when Iran Contra happened, and yet i remember it very clearly. it was a thunderous story. It was a Very Big Deal.

125 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:53:06pm

re: #116 austin_blue

Any other Lizards stranded or is it just me?

I'm stranded at home but that's just a financial condition.

126 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:53:10pm

re: #109 austin_blue

Four day transits? Nah. Doomed.

Bull. People like cruises, the food and dancing and cabin-hopping are all fun, and if we didn't have chintzy-ass one-week vacations in this country, but a minimum of a month like in any civilized nation, it wouldn't be a problem.

127 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:53:13pm

re: #116 austin_blue

Any other Lizards stranded or is it just me?

I think Wozzablog is in Britian, and Ryannon is in Paris, LaZardo is somewhere in Germany...

128 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:53:24pm

re: #123 windsagio

I think he went to England for something, if I remember right.

To see the G/F?

OH NO THE DAMN ASH CLOUD

Gaaaaaaaah that would suck. o_o

129 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:53:35pm

re: #120 The Shadow Do

I can't speak for WUB, but you're more emblematic of a very real mindset.

Its plenty common around here too.

130 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:53:49pm

re: #121 WindUpBird

you mean existentially? or are you literally stuck in an airport?

We have literally been stuck here for six days. No flights in or out. See my 91.

131 Kragar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:53:52pm

re: #118 Walter L. Newton

well, it's about 43 minutes long and after it's over you will be saying, as always "What the Fuck" ?

You do realize thats been the synopsis for every episode of Lost seen to date?

132 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:54:12pm

re: #119 McSpiff

You do know where many Islamic groups like Hamas and Hez get their weapons right? Iran. So you're really say the guy who actively sold weapons to one of Islam's largest arms dealers was really a great friend to Israel?

I'm not saying either one was a great friend of Israel.

Fuck 'em both, dead or alive.

133 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:54:25pm

re: #117 WindUpBird

Those ALIPAC guys are psycho. Hopefully they become a laughingstock over this.

Why is it all these anti-immigration groups never make any damn sense?

I hope so too. They literally make me feel ill.

134 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:54:33pm

re: #111 CuriousLurker

The immigration angle with the Tea Parties is going to get really ugly.

135 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:55:17pm

re: #119 McSpiff

You do know where many Islamic groups like Hamas and Hez get their weapons right? Iran. So you're really say the guy who actively sold weapons to one of Islam's largest arms dealers was really a great friend to Israel?

Ok. Reagan made a bad decision there. Carter, OTOH, willfully supports the terrorists (let's not sugarcoat the Hamas organization, now) and has for a long time.

So you're really saying they're the same thing? Is Iran STILL dealing our arms? What, did we send them the Mary Poppins Bag o'Munitions?

136 Stanghazi  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:55:24pm

re: #126 Cato the Elder

Bull. People like cruises, the food and dancing and cabin-hopping are all fun, and if we didn't have chintzy-ass one-week vacations in this country, but a minimum of a month like in any civilized nation, it wouldn't be a problem.

Concur! I'd love to do a trans Atlantic cruise. Talk about relaxing.

137 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:55:41pm

re: #111 CuriousLurker

OT: I have no love for Lindsey Graham, but this is out of bounds. I can't decide who's uglier, the crowd or the speaker. Ugh.

Starts around 6:16.

US Senator Graham asked to Admit His Homosexuality at Tea Party Event


[Video]

As I have said repeatedly. The tea party represents the ugliest parts of America.

138 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:56:21pm

re: #126 Cato the Elder

Bull. People like cruises, the food and dancing and cabin-hopping are all fun, and if we didn't have chintzy-ass one-week vacations in this country, but a minimum of a month like in any civilized nation, it wouldn't be a problem.

True, and it's great for people who want to vacation on a boat, but time is money in business and even the proles can fly economy. Steerage is no longer an option on Carnival Cruise Lines.

139 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:56:31pm

re: #136 Stanley Sea

Lets try to get WUB to tell some cruise stories.

My rendition of his story: "THey're great if you're bored of your partner and wish you were dead".

140 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:56:45pm

re: #82 ArchangelMichael

Yeah...

But only because I miss Amanda Pays from the TV show.

Massive upding. I had a huge crush on her as a boy.

141 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:56:52pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

The immigration angle with the Tea Parties is going to get really ugly.

If this is a taste of what's to come—and I don't doubt that it is—I don't know if I'll be able to stomach watching it.

142 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:57:19pm

re: #122 windsagio

That doesn't help the rest of us :P

Have comfort that as far as LGF goes, you're amongst the vast majority re:Carter.

I'll try not to call anyone a 'retard' if you can scale back the naked hate some, think we have a deal? :D

No. I'm going to dial it up.

I hate Carter more than Reagan, G. Gordon Liddy, Dick Nixon, and romance novels.

I hate him more than spoiled meat, rotten eggs and Pat Buchanan.

I hate him more than kale.

I hate him more than spam.

I like his smile, though. Reminds me of a crocodile I once knew.

143 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:57:19pm

re: #130 austin_blue

We have literally been stuck here for six days. No flights in or out. See my 91.

aaaagh lame :( I don't mean to make fun, I've been stuck in airports for a day before, i can't imagine being stuck for a week. :P

144 Stanghazi  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:57:37pm

re: #139 windsagio

Lets try to get WUB to tell some cruise stories.

My rendition of his story: "THey're great if you're bored of your partner and wish you were dead".

haha. WUB's been cruising more than once? Yeah, do tell.

145 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:57:49pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

The immigration angle with the Tea Parties is going to get really ugly.

Honestly, I think the Republicans should fear immigration debate more than the Democrats...with the Teabaggers going full klan-bake over Health Care Reform and Financial Reform already, chances are their already minimal ability to moderate their rhetoric will be incapable of stopping them from making any Republican rally look like a scene from Mississippi Burning. And that's not going to win a lot of moderate or independent voters over to their side (and the GOP knows this).

I think the Democrats should announce the start of work on immigration reform just before the August recess.

146 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:57:58pm

re: #70 darthstar

And he's been the best ex-president in our lifetime.

I am going to have to strongly disagree on that one.

147 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:58:11pm

re: #142 Cato the Elder

OK, your irrationality is noted. Can we move on now?

Actually we might have to, tummy's rumblin'.

148 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:58:30pm

re: #144 Stanley Sea

Lol zing!

Its really not my story to tell, sadly >

149 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:58:31pm

re: #139 windsagio

Lets try to get WUB to tell some cruise stories.

My rendition of his story: "THey're great if you're bored of your partner and wish you were dead".

hahahahaha

god everyone there was over 60 except us, it was dire

I mean, I had fun getting drunk with my parents at least!

150 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:59:43pm

re: #92 Aceofwhat?

Morena Baccarin

and he's right...

Nah, I think Cato is more of a River than an Inara kind of guy. Am I correct on that?

151 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:59:44pm

re: #138 austin_blue

True, and it's great for people who want to vacation on a boat, but time is money in business and even the proles can fly economy. Steerage is no longer an option on Carnival Cruise Lines.

First decree under my Catonian régime of Roman utopia: time is no longer money.

152 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:59:44pm

re: #145 darthstar

Honestly, I think the Republicans should fear immigration debate more than the Democrats...with the Teabaggers going full klan-bake over Health Care Reform and Financial Reform already, chances are their already minimal ability to moderate their rhetoric will be incapable of stopping them from making any Republican rally look like a scene from Mississippi Burning. And that's not going to win a lot of moderate or independent voters over to their side (and the GOP knows this).

I think the Democrats should announce the start of work on immigration reform just before the August recess.

I absolutely fear it, for the reasons noted above. It kills me.

153 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 3:59:49pm

re: #149 windupbird

I thought you were talking about 'cruising', as in, you know, checking guys out at bars.

The over 60 thing threw me for a moment.

154 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:00:04pm

Good news is I have Cato's permission to call people retards now.

If you don't like it, complain to him!


*off to eat*

155 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:00:05pm

re: #144 Stanley Sea

haha. WUB's been cruising more than once? Yeah, do tell.

only once. ONCE WAS ENOUGH

it's so not my scene. neither is Vegas. I don't do "normal" vacations, i guess. My idea of a vacation is visiting friends out of town, going to a beer festival, going to a con, maybe going to Europe! But only once in a while, travelling stresses me out. I like being there, I hate the ordeal of travelling though.

156 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:00:19pm

re: #124 WindUpBird

well, you're like waving off one of the most important news stories of Reagan's administration as a mere "gotcha", that's why I'm associating you with this double standard. :)

I was not that old when Iran Contra happened, and yet i remember it very clearly. it was a thunderous story. It was a Very Big Deal.

Cripes, he got called out. He did the mea culpa thing. Life went on. This was a big defeat for the left hungering for his scalp. Why deny that? This was a long time ago. Move on fer cryin out loud. I don't revile any but the most egregious of politicians (murder, theft, etc), nor do I elevate a single one of them to some great height of statesmanship. In fact, I think all politicians are pretty much bums. Lincoln, Washington, TR, FDR, JFK and on and on were just folks and all should be at the end of the day seen for what they were - ambitious folks with power who hopefully staved off the worst the world has to bring against my country and did not embarrass me to much as a citizen.

That is all.

157 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:00:34pm

re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You do realize thats been the synopsis for every episode of Lost seen to date?

Yes I know... sort of a clip and paste review. It's been a wonderful journey though.

I have to work an 8 hour overnight tonight, subbing for the overnight cashier who is taking a vacation day. Watch LOST and then spend the whole night trying NOT to get into an argument with the overnight grocery manager.

I met him last night for the first time (did overnight last night too). Part of the overnight cashier duty is to help the night crew stock when you can. This overnight GM is in his 60's, ex-marine drill sergeant, and he really pushes my "bully button."

You know the type, everything coming out of his mouth sounds like a slam, pushy, full of bluster. He use to work a union store (our store is not union) and he has that sort of attitude. Heaven help you if you offer to do something that he didn't tell you to do.

Thanks goodness I'm only filling in a few night. There would be no way I would put up with this guy on a regular basis.

158 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:00:43pm

re: #151 Cato the Elder

First decree under my Catonian régime of Roman utopia: time is no longer money.

spoken like a true senator!

159 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:01:01pm

re: #155 windupbird

Aw, the letters in your name are all small. That's kind of cute.

161 Stanghazi  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:01:17pm

re: #149 windupbird

hahahahaha

god everyone there was over 60 except us, it was dire

I mean, I had fun getting drunk with my parents at least!

My Mom came back from one with her friend, they are both in their late 60's but totally spry. "ARRRGH all the OLD people on this ship! And the food was so BLAND" Pretty hilarious.

162 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:01:19pm

re: #150 LudwigVanQuixote

Nah, I think Cato is more of a River than an Inara kind of guy. Am I correct on that?

I'll take any of the females on the good ship "Serenity", but the crazy smart grrrl always gets me in the heart.

163 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:01:49pm

re: #129 windsagio

I can't speak for WUB, but you're more emblematic of a very real mindset.

Its plenty common around here too.

You should be more clear in your criticisms. I can take it, honest.

164 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:01:56pm

re: #153 Obdicut

I thought you were talking about 'cruising', as in, you know, checking guys out at bars.

The over 60 thing threw me for a moment.

ahahahahahaha NO :D

I wouldn't know how to cruise, I wouldn't know how to meet anyone in that fashion! The whole notion of dating, I've never actually done it for real.

165 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:02:28pm

re: #159 Obdicut

Aw, the letters in your name are all small. That's kind of cute.

how did that happen? :D

166 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:02:59pm

re: #90 Cato the Elder

Isabella Rossellini.

Good taste.

167 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:03:02pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

The immigration angle with the Tea Parties is going to get really ugly.

Since it is now clear that teh ghey are in bed with the shamnesty-ists, any real American knows which side they are on!

168 Racer X  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:03:25pm

Love him or hate him, but at the time the right and the left liked Reagan. He brought America together.

America is polarized right now.

*not blaming anyone in particular - it is what it is.

169 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:03:43pm

Arizona goes Birther....
Arizona legislature demands immigrants and President of the United States verify their status.

The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state’s ballot when he runs for reelection. The House voted 31-22 to add the provision to a separate bill. The measure still faces a formal vote.

It would require U.S. presidential candidates who want to appear on the ballot in Arizona to submit documents proving they meet the constitutional requirements to be president.

170 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:03:48pm

re: #152 Aceofwhat?

I absolutely fear it, for the reasons noted above. It kills me.

With the way a lot of the Pro-immigrations rallies turned out this could end up being a lot of fun.

171 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:04:05pm

re: #137 LudwigVanQuixote

As I have said repeatedly. The tea party represents the ugliest parts of America.

As disgusting as some of their stuff has been already, this one got to me more for some reason. I think maybe it was watching them go after a Republican with such viciousness combined with the gleeful hoots & shouts of "Amen!"

It was chilling—made me think of the Taliban. *shudder*

172 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:04:30pm

re: #161 Stanley Sea

My Mom came back from one with her friend, they are both in their late 60's but totally spry. "ARRRGH all the OLD people on this ship! And the food was so BLAND" Pretty hilarious.

My dad likes cruises because he just likes getting away from his law firm, drinking wine and reading Civil War books on the deck of the ship. I'm way too restless. We played a lot of my partner's euro board games, we played a lot of scrabble with house rules for profanity, I recall *_*

173 Racer X  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:04:50pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

Arizona goes Birther...
Arizona legislature demands immigrants and President of the United States verify their status.

Unfricking real.

Threadworthy.

174 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:04:56pm

re: #162 Cato the Elder

I'll take any of the females on the good ship "Serenity", but the crazy smart grrrl always gets me in the heart.

they're all smart...but crazy...eh, crazy gets old.

175 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:05:04pm

re: #136 Stanley Sea

Concur! I'd love to do a trans Atlantic cruise. Talk about relaxing.

There are many of them available if you look but they are mostly geared towards vacation, not transit.

176 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:05:12pm

re: #145 darthstar

Honestly, I think the Republicans should fear immigration debate more than the Democrats...with the Teabaggers going full klan-bake over Health Care Reform and Financial Reform already, chances are their already minimal ability to moderate their rhetoric will be incapable of stopping them from making any Republican rally look like a scene from Mississippi Burning. And that's not going to win a lot of moderate or independent voters over to their side (and the GOP knows this).

I think the Democrats should announce the start of work on immigration reform just before the August recess.

Hah! Klan-bake! And I agree with the last sentence. The R's have tied their wagon to the loons. Just *mentioning* immigration reform will cause an explosion of crazy amongst the TBs that will force the Independents to the Dems just to keep the stink off them. The rise of the TBs and the R's tacit acceptance of them has got to be the stupidest piece of political suicide I've seen since the Chicago Convention of '68.

177 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:05:35pm

re: #168 Racer X

Love him or hate him, but at the time the right and the left liked Reagan. He brought America together.

America is polarized right now.

*not blaming anyone in particular - it is what it is.

Oh, of all the bullshit ever written here, that has to be the stinkiest pile yet!

The left hated Reagan. He did not "bring America together". If anything we were as polarized then as we are now.

What a crockadelic myth that is. I was there. It's utter crap.

178 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:06:47pm

re: #164 windupbird

I dated on girl once. It was lame.

I used to just fall into relationships.

179 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:07:24pm

re: #177 Cato the Elder

Oh, of all the bullshit ever written here, that has to be the stinkiest pile yet!

The left hated Reagan. He did not "bring America together". If anything we were as polarized then as we are now.

What a crockadelic myth that is. I was there. It's utter crap.

I haven't had to say crap all night, you've been saying it for me. Don't stop now.

180 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:07:32pm

Trans Atlantic Cruises Google Search
Trans Atlantic Cruises Bing Search

181 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:07:35pm

re: #162 Cato the Elder

I'll take any of the females on the good ship "Serenity", but the crazy smart grrrl always gets me in the heart.

I hear that and I have the same weakness. I promise that the brilliant, artistic and totally batshit girl is always more trouble than it is worth. Yes perhaps by the time she is 30 or something and has mellowed out, but in her late teens or twenties... watch out. Perhaps some other time I'll tell some stories about the girls I dated from MICA and Peabody.

That is where I developed my philosophy of going for the sweet, smart nerd girl who is competent and together.

The show makes a good analogy.

I figure that Kaylee is really smart too and less likely to try to decorate her room with your intestines if she has a "moment."

182 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:07:47pm

re: #171 CuriousLurker

As disgusting as some of their stuff has been already, this one got to me more for some reason. I think maybe it was watching them go after a Republican with such viciousness combined with the gleeful hoots & shouts of "Amen!"

It was chilling—made me think of the Taliban. *shudder*

Yep. My only solace is that there are enough sane Republicans like me who will sink our ship rather than let this sort of thing get any real control. They may be able to elect the occasional Bachmann, but OTOH, Charlie Crist only needs to switch to independent and Rubio is gone.

183 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:08:31pm

re: #177 Cato the Elder

In 1980 I voted for Anderson (yes, I admit it), in part because I could not see myself voting for RWR or Carter rather than anything positive on the part of Anderson.

The Vietnam war era left despised RWR, with a passion equal to how the today's Tea Partiers hate President Obama. The difference being the college educated left of that day made less spelling errors on their signs.

184 Racer X  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:08:36pm

re: #177 Cato the Elder

Oh, of all the bullshit ever written here, that has to be the stinkiest pile yet!

The left hated Reagan. He did not "bring America together". If anything we were as polarized then as we are now.

What a crockadelic myth that is. I was there. It's utter crap.

Please.

Like I'm the only one to ever say that.

185 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:09:14pm

re: #156 The Shadow Do

Cripes, he got called out. He did the mea culpa thing. Life went on. This was a big defeat for the left hungering for his scalp. Why deny that? This was a long time ago. Move on fer cryin out loud. I don't revile any but the most egregious of politicians (murder, theft, etc), nor do I elevate a single one of them to some great height of statesmanship. In fact, I think all politicians are pretty much bums. Lincoln, Washington, TR, FDR, JFK and on and on were just folks and all should be at the end of the day seen for what they were - ambitious folks with power who hopefully staved off the worst the world has to bring against my country and did not embarrass me to much as a citizen.

That is all.

I'm not hungering for his scalp, I just want Iran Contra to be part of the context, ESPECIALLY now in this dervish of crazy talking points about how Obama is weak on iran. History is history, you don't suppress it. I wouldn't want Clinton's failures to be supressed either. I intensely dislike the creepy lionization of Reagan as some Christ figure to GOP politicians. They like him because he's a winner, and then do things Reagan would never approve of.

186 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:10:12pm

re: #171 CuriousLurker

As disgusting as some of their stuff has been already, this one got to me more for some reason. I think maybe it was watching them go after a Republican with such viciousness combined with the gleeful hoots & shouts of "Amen!"

It was chilling—made me think of the Taliban. *shudder*

People really need to get real that when they are talking about making this a Christian nation or else, they are not fucking around. Sure they can't tell you exactly why Obama is a commie, but they know in their little hearts through a combination of Fox and the Holy Ghost that it's true, and well that's all the evidence they need.

Racism + Jesus + fear of the outside world + sense of lost position. It makes a very dangerous mix when cloaked in nationalism.

187 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:10:13pm

re: #178 Obdicut

I dated on girl once. It was lame.

I used to just fall into relationships.

That's how it worked for me, I've known my partner since I was 13. Nerds don't date, I guess! :D

188 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:11:23pm

re: #187 windupbird

That's how it worked for me, I've known my partner since I was 13. Nerds don't date, I guess! :D

Speak for yourself :)

189 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:11:32pm

re: #187 windupbird

I fell into a lot of relationships, though. I used to be unable to go out and get a cup of coffee without beginning something torrid.

Now I have to make sure none of my crazy ex-girlfriends are going to crash my wedding and throw things at me.

190 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:11:47pm

re: #182 Aceofwhat?

Yep. My only solace is that there are enough sane Republicans like me who will sink our ship rather than let this sort of thing get any real control. They may be able to elect the occasional Bachmann, but OTOH, Charlie Crist only needs to switch to independent and Rubio is gone.

If he goes independent, that will be the most interesting race in the country.

191 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:12:04pm

re: #182 Aceofwhat?

Yep. My only solace is that there are enough sane Republicans like me who will sink our ship rather than let this sort of thing get any real control. They may be able to elect the occasional Bachmann, but OTOH, Charlie Crist only needs to switch to independent and Rubio is gone.

I pray to God you're right. I don't want to the the Republican party go away, but I also don't want that to be it's new face. I really hope Crist switches as he seems like a decent, sane guy.

192 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:12:14pm

re: #173 Racer X

I strongly suspect this bill might be sort of a Jim Crow type thing designed to exclude candidates rather than voters. They can just refuse to accept whatever evidence and exclude candidates the don't like. I also suspect that even if this does pass the courts throw it out.

193 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:12:16pm

re: #189 Obdicut

I fell into a lot of relationships, though. I used to be unable to go out and get a cup of coffee without beginning something torrid.

Now I have to make sure none of my crazy ex-girlfriends are going to crash my wedding and throw things at me.

hahaha you have to keep moving! "They found me. I don't know how, but they found me!"

194 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:12:24pm

re: #183 freetoken

In 1980 I voted for Anderson (yes, I admit it), in part because I could not see myself voting for RWR or Carter rather than anything positive on the part of Anderson.

The Vietnam war era left despised RWR, with a passion equal to how the today's Tea Partiers hate President Obama. The difference being the college educated left of that day made less spelling errors on their signs.

And less calls for the violent overthrow of the nation. I think that is a big point too no?

195 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:12:58pm

re: #177 Cato the Elder

Oh, of all the bullshit ever written here, that has to be the stinkiest pile yet!

The left hated Reagan. He did not "bring America together". If anything we were as polarized then as we are now.

What a crockadelic myth that is. I was there. It's utter crap.

Reagan Democrats were a very real phenomina. sorry.

196 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:13:14pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

Arizona goes Birther...
Arizona legislature demands immigrants and President of the United States verify their status.

Arizona scares me. :(

197 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:13:26pm

re: #176 austin_blue

Hey, you! Have you been able to elude the Volcano?

198 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:13:42pm

re: #190 windupbird

If he goes independent, that will be the most interesting race in the country.

Honestly, Crist is getting flak for 'embracing Obama'. Rubio is that ridiculous. Anyone who is upset that the governor showed the President some respect and dignity can just go ahead and get the fuck out of my party.

199 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:14:04pm

re: #194 LudwigVanQuixote

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

200 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:14:22pm

re: #193 windupbird

hahaha you have to keep moving! "They found me. I don't know how, but they found me!"

the Libyans!!!

201 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:14:30pm

re: #181 LudwigVanQuixote

I hear that and I have the same weakness. I promise that the brilliant, artistic and totally batshit girl is always more trouble than it is worth. Yes perhaps by the time she is 30 or something and has mellowed out, but in her late teens or twenties... watch out. Perhaps some other time I'll tell some stories about the girls I dated from MICA and Peabody.

That is where I developed my philosophy of going for the sweet, smart nerd girl who is competent and together.

The show makes a good analogy.

I figure that Kaylee is really smart too and less likely to try to decorate her room with your intestines if she has a "moment."

You went to school in Baltimore? Hopkins, I take it?

I didn't know that. Next time you come for a reunion, we must get together for lots of booze and save-the-world Talmudic talk-talk.

Yes, of course, Kaylee is the catch of the bunch. But she's hopelessly in love with the Doctor.

Zoë is happily married, and Inara is a businesswoman who secretly thinks of Mal during every "job".

And River really, really needs a date.

202 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:14:34pm

re: #197 prairiefire

Hey, you! Have you been able to elude the Volcano?

Elude it? See my 91.

203 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:15:32pm

I don't know who ends up with the shittiest end of the stick in this comparison, but it's funny.

See, I told you she knew.

204 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:15:38pm

re: #200 Aceofwhat?

RUN FOR IT MARTY!

205 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:15:40pm

re: #185 windupbird

I'm not hungering for his scalp, I just want Iran Contra to be part of the context, ESPECIALLY now in this dervish of crazy talking points about how Obama is weak on iran. History is history, you don't suppress it. I wouldn't want Clinton's failures to be supressed either. I intensely dislike the creepy lionization of Reagan as some Christ figure to GOP politicians. They like him because he's a winner, and then do things Reagan would never approve of.

Don't get so wound up, Wind Up. I do not lionize Reagan. He did a good job. Some good, some not so good, No more, no less. Cripes.

206 freetoken  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:15:41pm

re: #196 windupbird

Arizona scares me. :(

I was driving through the Phoenix area once, and the traffic was bad on the freeway, even though it was an hour of the day in which it ought not be.

When I finally got to the head of the pack I discovered why. Two cars were dueling it out, so to speak, with an old geyser in front (driving some big old auto) waving a long barrel gun (while driving) at a guy aggressively tailgating him!

It was as hilarious as frightening.

207 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:15:46pm

re: #184 Racer X

Please.

Like I'm the only one to ever say that.

Well you and whoever else says it are just plain crazy wrong.

Reagan "brought America together" the way the Vietnam War did.

208 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:16:06pm

re: #199 TheMatrix31

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

And they were around protesting Reagan? You would be off by almost two decades there chief.

Did I mention that you are a totally ignorant idiot recently? I don't want to slip up.

209 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:16:17pm

re: #188 LudwigVanQuixote

Speak for yourself :)


bwahahaha fair enough. actually, it's less that nerds don't date, it's that geeks don't date. Nerds have academic bonafides. Nerds work in the sciences. Geeks work the IT help desk, collect Star Wars figures and wear silly costumes :D

210 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:16:53pm

re: #195 The Shadow Do

Reagan Democrats were a very real phenomina. sorry.

Double misspelling on the word "phenomenon"! How can I take anything you say seriously?

211 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:17:03pm

ROADS?

where we're going we don't need... roads

212 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:17:08pm

re: #201 Cato the Elder

You went to school in Baltimore? Hopkins, I take it?

I didn't know that. Next time you come for a reunion, we must get together for lots of booze and save-the-world Talmudic talk-talk.

Yes, of course, Kaylee is the catch of the bunch. But she's hopelessly in love with the Doctor.

Zoë is happily married, and Inara is a businesswoman who secretly thinks of Mal during every "job".

And River really, really needs a date.

I thought you knew I went to Hopkins. Hell I remember when that kid sworded the intruder we chatted about how I used to live on that block.

213 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:17:36pm

Midnight in the UK. Night all. Sweet dreams.

214 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:17:53pm

re: #208 LudwigVanQuixote

No, but they were Vietnam Era Left protesters.

Let's not act as if this recent batch of idiocy is the only one to have elements of violence involved.

215 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:18:31pm

re: #206 freetoken

I was driving through the Phoenix area once, and the traffic was bad on the freeway, even though it was an hour of the day in which it ought not be.

When I finally got to the head of the pack I discovered why. Two cars were dueling it out, so to speak, with an old geyser in front (driving some big old auto) waving a long barrel gun (while driving) at a guy aggressively tailgating him!

It was as hilarious as frightening.

What in the fucking hell!

I've seen two cars playing that sort of car tag on the freeway in vancouver, WA, two Couv hicks in giant dirtbag trucks, but they weren't waving guns at each other o_o

216 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:18:50pm

re: #181 LudwigVanQuixote

I hear that and I have the same weakness. I promise that the brilliant, artistic and totally batshit girl is always more trouble than it is worth. Yes perhaps by the time she is 30 or something and has mellowed out, but in her late teens or twenties... watch out. Perhaps some other time I'll tell some stories about the girls I dated from MICA and Peabody.

That is where I developed my philosophy of going for the sweet, smart nerd girl who is competent and together.

The show makes a good analogy.

I figure that Kaylee is really smart too and less likely to try to decorate her room with your intestines if she has a "moment."

My best friend is a "badshit, crazy girl", but that's why I love her. She's a challange, never boring and always a handful. As a friend, she's a treat, if we romantically involved, one of us would kill the other.
I'm her best friend, because I'm about the only one that forgives her crazy moments, nor do I dwell on them. I figure it's like a checking account, as long as I get more joy in than she takes out on occasion, she won't bounce the friendship check.

217 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:19:15pm

re: #214 TheMatrix31

Back for a driveby;

lol@"BUT THE HIPPIES 50 YEARS AGO!"

218 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:19:33pm

re: #216 avanti

I have a good friend like that :D

219 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:19:58pm

re: #210 Cato the Elder

Double misspelling on the word "phenomenon"! How can I take anything you say seriously?

you are so mean :D

220 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:20:17pm

re: #201 Cato the Elder

Zoe isn't married anymore and needs comfort.

Go to it.

221 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:20:31pm

re: #205 The Shadow Do

Don't get so wound up, Wind Up. I do not lionize Reagan. He did a good job. Some good, some not so good, No more, no less. Cripes.

I'm more speaking to the cosmos at this point ;-)

222 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:20:55pm

re: #210 Cato the Elder

Double misspelling on the word "phenomenon"! How can I take anything you say seriously?

No need, I am not that serious a person. The Reagan phenomina was a direct result of the failed Vietnam War, the Carter malaise and the Watergate shamefulness.

I was called out, as an English major, in a 500 level class for my "cavalier spelling". Jest cain't help it.

223 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:21:11pm

re: #217 windsagio

What are you talking about? I addressed an element of Ludwig's post.

Your method of conduct on this blog is highly irritating, in case it isn't intentional and you didn't know.

224 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:21:17pm

re: #198 Aceofwhat?

Honestly, Crist is getting flak for 'embracing Obama'. Rubio is that ridiculous. Anyone who is upset that the governor showed the President some respect and dignity can just go ahead and get the fuck out of my party.

That must be why there is all the hate about Graham, I've always thought of him as being a reasonable, moderate. Sadly, I guess that means he can't be a Republican.

225 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:21:44pm

re: #222 The Shadow Do

Jest cain't help it

Yes you can.

226 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:22:42pm

re: #223 TheMatrix31

(I totally ruin the meaning of driveby post)

I find its quicker to cut all the BS and get to the meat of your deeply discredited ideas.

227 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:22:44pm

re: #224 avanti

That must be why there is all the hate about Graham, I've always thought of him as being a reasonable, moderate. Sadly, I guess that means he can't be a Republican.

HE MIGHT BE TEH QUEER! HE MIGHT SET US UP TEH GAYZORT!

I swear those ALIPAC cranks spend more time thinking about the gay than actual gay gays do :D

228 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:22:47pm

re: #206 freetoken

I was driving through the Phoenix area once, and the traffic was bad on the freeway, even though it was an hour of the day in which it ought not be.

When I finally got to the head of the pack I discovered why. Two cars were dueling it out, so to speak, with an old geyser in front (driving some big old auto) waving a long barrel gun (while driving) at a guy aggressively tailgating him!

It was as hilarious as frightening.

I have a honest question, for all. How many of you have had a real gun pulled on you? By someone who for all intensive purposes, would have used it?

How many of you have been mugged... in real bar fights where knives and/or guns have been pulled?

How many of you have been part of a major disaster, a tornado that tore half of your neighborhood apart, or a hurricane or earthquake, some situation where you actually had to live without services for a week or two.

Just wondering.

229 Racer X  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:23:12pm

The sky is blue.

NO IT ISN'T!

230 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:23:13pm

re: #225 Obdicut

Yes you can.

Nope, cain't

231 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:23:29pm

re: #224 avanti

That must be why there is all the hate about Graham, I've always thought of him as being a reasonable, moderate. Sadly, I guess that means he can't be a Republican.

We'll see. I'm not giving up...not that i play any real role, but i'm not leaving the Party to these asshats...

232 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:24:14pm

re: #223 TheMatrix31

What are you talking about? I addressed an element of Ludwig's post.

Your method of conduct on this blog is highly irritating, in case it isn't intentional and you didn't know.

you mean highly irritating to you?

233 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:24:19pm

re: #218 windupbird

I have a good friend like that :D

Do you find part of the appeal is that they seem so grateful that you "get them" when others don't ?

234 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:24:28pm

re: #226 windsagio

Glad to know you're here to judge my ideas and intent.

235 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:24:49pm

re: #232 Aceofwhat?

At least.

236 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:25:28pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

I have a honest question, for all. How many of you have had a real gun pulled on you? By someone who for all intensive purposes, would have used it?

How many of you have been mugged... in real bar fights where knives and/or guns have been pulled?

How many of you have been part of a major disaster, a tornado that tore half of your neighborhood apart, or a hurricane or earthquake, some situation where you actually had to live without services for a week or two.

Just wondering.

Bar fight with knives, only one.
OKC in the basement of the Holiday Inn in "98 - Cat 5
Power out in East TX for 5 days after ice storm.
Oh, and two times had a gun put in my face.

Life is full of surprises.

237 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:25:35pm

re: #234 TheMatrix31

If they were just your ideas that would be fine.

But we've had people echoing these exact same points for 2 years now!

238 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:25:40pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

I have a honest question, for all. How many of you have had a real gun pulled on you? By someone who for all intensive purposes, would have used it?

How many of you have been mugged... in real bar fights where knives and/or guns have been pulled?

How many of you have been part of a major disaster, a tornado that tore half of your neighborhood apart, or a hurricane or earthquake, some situation where you actually had to live without services for a week or two.

Just wondering.

1. have not
2. have not been in a fight where any weapon was involved
3. had services out for 2 days during a helluva blizzard in Ohio

239 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:26:05pm

re: #227 windupbird

HE MIGHT BE TEH QUEER! HE MIGHT SET US UP TEH GAYZORT!

I swear those ALIPAC cranks spend more time thinking about the gay than actual gay gays do :D

I wish Obama could find a very qualified but openly gay supreme court candidate, just to watch the heads explode.

240 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:26:30pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

I have a honest question, for all. How many of you have had a real gun pulled on you? By someone who for all intensive purposes, would have used it?

How many of you have been mugged... in real bar fights where knives and/or guns have been pulled?

How many of you have been part of a major disaster, a tornado that tore half of your neighborhood apart, or a hurricane or earthquake, some situation where you actually had to live without services for a week or two.

Just wondering.

I've been mugged, check. Not at weaponpoint, just by being outnumbered.

I've been attacked at concerts, but they scan for weapons there. :D

I've lived without services for a week, we've had some wicked northwest snowstorms that knocked out power and made driving impossible. We dont have the infrastructure here to handle heavy snow. Not a major disaster, but it shut the whole city down, cut power for a week, etc.

Never had a gun pulled on me, though! My partner had a gun pointed at him by some roadragey driver when he was a teenager, but he zoomed off.

241 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:26:55pm

re: #236 The Shadow Do

Bar fight with knives, only one.
OKC in the basement of the Holiday Inn in "98 - Cat 5
Power out in East TX for 5 days after ice storm.
Oh, and two times had a gun put in my face.

Life is full of surprises.

Thanks.

242 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:27:18pm

re: #238 Aceofwhat?

1. have not
2. have not been in a fight where any weapon was involved
3. had services out for 2 days during a helluva blizzard in Ohio

Thanks.

243 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:27:30pm

re: #212 LudwigVanQuixote

I thought you knew I went to Hopkins. Hell I remember when that kid sworded the intruder we chatted about how I used to live on that block.

That was you?

[pulls memory stick out of skull socket, shakes it, plugs it back in]

Ah, right!

I need to upgrade that thing.

244 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:27:31pm

re: #233 avanti

Do you find part of the appeal is that they seem so grateful that you "get them" when others don't ?

yeah, but we have our own little tribe of weird outsider artists, we all get each other because we're all similar. I'm a lot more square/stable (believe it or not) but I'm still in the ballpark of weird. :D

245 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:27:32pm

re: #240 windupbird

I've been mugged, check. Not at weaponpoint, just by being outnumbered.

I've been attacked at concerts, but they scan for weapons there. :D

I've lived without services for a week, we've had some wicked northwest snowstorms that knocked out power and made driving impossible. We dont have the infrastructure here to handle heavy snow. Not a major disaster, but it shut the whole city down, cut power for a week, etc.

Never had a gun pulled on me, though! My partner had a gun pointed at him by some roadragey driver when he was a teenager, but he zoomed off.

Thanks.

246 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:27:56pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

I've been in a hurricane, a forest fire, had a gun pulled on me, had a gun fired at me, had dynamite thrown at me, been pushed off a two story roof, trapped on a mountain overnight, and I used to be a bouncer and was attacked with a variety of things there.

My brother wins, though: He's been bit by a cougar (cat kind) and shat on by a polar bear.

247 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:28:27pm

re: #237 windsagio

Cool. I really don't care what has and hasn't been echoed. When was the last time a truly original thought has occurred in the world? What I said was connected to what he said, so I brought it up. If you have a problem with that, then I'm sorry.

248 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:29:18pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton


Never been mugged, but I had a few guys try to pull cons on me in the middle of the night (why I thought wandering around 2nd and Pike at 2am was a good idea I'll never know, I'm lucky I wasn't mugged).

My life has been so nonvioent, I've only ever been punched once!

Like WUB, but we were without power for 2 weeks. Also once almost drowned in a storm in the Straight of Georgia, if that counts, and got stranded at the Island a few times.

249 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:29:21pm

re: #246 Obdicut

I've been in a hurricane, a forest fire, had a gun pulled on me, had a gun fired at me, had dynamite thrown at me, been pushed off a two story roof, trapped on a mountain overnight, and I used to be a bouncer and was attacked with a variety of things there.

My brother wins, though: He's been bit by a cougar (cat kind) and shat on by a polar bear.

Thanks.

250 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:29:23pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

I've been shot at from afar, but I guess that doesn't really count as the same thing.

251 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:29:35pm

re: #246 Obdicut

I've been in a hurricane, a forest fire, had a gun pulled on me, had a gun fired at me, had dynamite thrown at me, been pushed off a two story roof, trapped on a mountain overnight, and I used to be a bouncer and was attacked with a variety of things there.

My brother wins, though: He's been bit by a cougar (cat kind) and shat on by a polar bear.


WHO ARE YOU?!?!?!/`11ldkjbr57y

252 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:29:41pm

re: #248 windsagio

Never been mugged, but I had a few guys try to pull cons on me in the middle of the night (why I thought wandering around 2nd and Pike at 2am was a good idea I'll never know, I'm lucky I wasn't mugged).

My life has been so nonvioent, I've only ever been punched once!

Like WUB, but we were without power for 2 weeks. Also once almost drowned in a storm in the Straight of Georgia, if that counts, and got stranded at the Island a few times.

Thanks.

253 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:29:58pm

re: #246 Obdicut

I've been in a hurricane, a forest fire, had a gun pulled on me, had a gun fired at me, had dynamite thrown at me, been pushed off a two story roof, trapped on a mountain overnight, and I used to be a bouncer and was attacked with a variety of things there.

My brother wins, though: He's been bit by a cougar (cat kind) and shat on by a polar bear.

i'll bite. shat on by a polar bear?

254 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:30:01pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

I have a honest question, for all. How many of you have had a real gun pulled on you? By someone who for all intensive purposes, would have used it?

How many of you have been mugged... in real bar fights where knives and/or guns have been pulled?

How many of you have been part of a major disaster, a tornado that tore half of your neighborhood apart, or a hurricane or earthquake, some situation where you actually had to live without services for a week or two.

Just wondering.

All 3, you forgot one, #4. seen a man killed? kind of a weird question tho, planning your weekend?

255 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:30:02pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

I have a honest question, for all. How many of you have had a real gun pulled on you? By someone who for all intensive purposes, would have used it?

How many of you have been mugged... in real bar fights where knives and/or guns have been pulled?

How many of you have been part of a major disaster, a tornado that tore half of your neighborhood apart, or a hurricane or earthquake, some situation where you actually had to live without services for a week or two.

Just wondering.

Been mugged in the Village, 4 on 1.

Walked into a mob shootout (possibly faked) on Park Ave.

Went through whatever the Turks call a hurricane in a GP Medium tent. Two out of 200 were left standing, picked MREs out of the mud for a week.

256 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:30:21pm

re: #209 windupbird

bwahahaha fair enough. actually, it's less that nerds don't date, it's that geeks don't date. Nerds have academic bonafides. Nerds work in the sciences. Geeks work the IT help desk, collect Star Wars figures and wear silly costumes :D

Well nerds do that too, but we have the sense to put the Star Wars stuff down when girls are involved. Unless we jackpot and get a real nerd girl.

OK funny story, the GF was convinced that she is NOT a nerd damn it.

I arched an eyebrow at this stunning revelation. Bemused I started to convince her that it really was ok to be a nerd girl. She just has to face the truth.

I AM NOT A NERD she announced.

OH really? So do you think Luke knew through the Force he was macking his sister and did it anyway?

"WHAT?!? Of course he didn't she fumed!" She then explained how he didn't have his Jedi awareness yet since he hadn't been to Dagobah and that he obviously didn't know who she was until he spoke to blue shiny Ben and figured it out.

"Aha" I said. "And who was Arca Jeth?" I asked...

"Only the greatest Jedi Watchman ever!" Everyone knows that!

Nodded, "Hal Jordan or Kyle Raynor?"

"HAL! Of course!" she boomed!

"So you sure you are not a nerd?"

"Just because I like comics and Star Wars does not mean I am a nerd!"

"Really and why is that?" I asked...

"Because nerds need to get obsessive compulsive about arcane things. I don't do that!"

"Really?"

"Yes, Really!!!"

"Didn't you write a thesis on how Tacitus gave Livia a bum rapp?" I asked.

"DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON TACITUS!"

"My darling, it's ok to be a nerd really... The nerd is strong in you, I sense much pedanticism."

So yeah that is our running joke.

257 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:30:29pm

re: #248 windsagio

Never been mugged, but I had a few guys try to pull cons on me in the middle of the night (why I thought wandering around 2nd and Pike at 2am was a good idea I'll never know, I'm lucky I wasn't mugged).

My life has been so nonvioent, I've only ever been punched once!

Like WUB, but we were without power for 2 weeks. Also once almost drowned in a storm in the Straight of Georgia, if that counts, and got stranded at the Island a few times.

We're thinking of the same storm, i think. The one where G had her Celica, and everyone was holed up in a hotel?

258 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:30:31pm

re: #247 TheMatrix31

We can be friends, but just expect some razzing if you bring up stuff that's too wayworn. :p

And the Weather Underground is too damn wayworn for words.

259 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:30:51pm

re: #246 Obdicut

I've been in a hurricane, a forest fire, had a gun pulled on me, had a gun fired at me, had dynamite thrown at me, been pushed off a two story roof, trapped on a mountain overnight, and I used to be a bouncer and was attacked with a variety of things there.

My brother wins, though: He's been bit by a cougar (cat kind) and shat on by a polar bear.

your brother is a wuss.// Mine crashed a helicopter.

260 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:30:57pm

re: #216 avanti

My best friend is a "badshit, crazy girl", but that's why I love her. She's a challange, never boring and always a handful. As a friend, she's a treat, if we romantically involved, one of us would kill the other.
I'm her best friend, because I'm about the only one that forgives her crazy moments, nor do I dwell on them. I figure it's like a checking account, as long as I get more joy in than she takes out on occasion, she won't bounce the friendship check.

Exactly!

261 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:31:21pm

re: #258 windsagio

Friends are overrated.

262 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:31:24pm

re: #256 LudwigVanQuixote

ahahaha that is totally awesome :D

263 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:31:25pm

re: #251 windupbird

The dynamite thrown at me was a drunken mistake. No harm came. Oh, and I've never actually been mugged.

My brother is an animal wildlife biologist, and those two incidents happened in the course of his work.

Basically, you tranquilize the bear with what are effectively muscle relaxants and then you hoist the bear up on a scale, and if you're on the wrong end of the bear bad things can happen.

264 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:31:32pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

Mugged. √

Burgled while home. √

Guns pullled on me. Not yet.

Bar fights. √

Natural disasters: earthquakes, hurricanes and floods. √

How am I doing? √

265 Randall Gross  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:31:50pm

Walter my answer is none of the above.

266 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:31:53pm

re: #241 Walter L. Newton

Thanks.

Forgot one, since you're working statistics?
Shot at once by an unseen sniper while a 12 year old kid. That'll raise the hair on your neck after a couple of shots.

267 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:32:04pm

re: #261 TheMatrix31

I find I like mine >>

268 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:32:08pm

re: #262 windupbird

ahahaha that is totally awesome :D

She is!

269 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:32:09pm

re: #259 RogueOne

My brother also crawls into the dens of mother grizzly bears while they have cubs. He's kinda nuts. I love him. I'm very happy I'll get to see him at the wedding.

270 RogueOne  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:32:37pm

Dinner time!

271 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:32:40pm

re: #256 LudwigVanQuixote

that's a good catch!

272 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:33:10pm

re: #261 TheMatrix31

Friends are overrated.

Friends are probably the most important thing in this world, for success, happiness, and awesome stories.

273 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:33:27pm

re: #238 Aceofwhat?

1. have not
2. have not been in a fight where any weapon was involved
3. had services out for 2 days during a helluva blizzard in Ohio

Got my ass kicked badly, defending a gals honor. (Hint, bad guys know how to fight better than gentlemen)

Got shot at with a 3 inch gun, but behind 8 inches of armor plate, so that does not count.

Spent 3 weeks living on the beach in a landing craft, eating C rations for most of it.

274 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:33:30pm

re: #257 windupbird

I dunno, trying to remember. Was still living at home, highschool age I think. All of my brother's pop exploded, and we lived on camping stoves for a while.

275 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:34:03pm

re: #264 Cato the Elder

The closest thing I've seen to a real barfight was at my karaoke bar, a douchey I'm-all-that-with-my-polo-shirt-and-my-frosted-hair guy came in at the end of the night, demanded to sing even though the rotation was too deep and there were only a couple songs left, got mad after they shut the PA down, and hurled a full pint glass at the bartender, which whizzed so close by my head I could feel it.

and then they called the cops and away he went!

276 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:34:07pm

re: #272 Obdicut

Friends are probably the most important thing in this world, for success, happiness, and awesome stories.

Quoted, bolded and italicized for freakin' justice!

277 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:34:23pm

re: #95 darthstar

Carter's work with Habitat for Humanity, his diplomatic missions abroad, etc. have been unequaled by any other ex-president.

Like this diplomatic mission abroad?

278 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:34:23pm

re: #266 The Shadow Do

Forgot one, since you're working statistics?
Shot at once by an unseen sniper while a 12 year old kid. That'll raise the hair on your neck after a couple of shots.

O_O

279 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:34:40pm

re: #272 Obdicut

The point of that comment might have gone over the head, but whatever.

Friends are great, but any more than a few is completely unnecessary and often dangerous, if you want to avoid drama.

280 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:34:41pm

re: #271 Aceofwhat?

that's a good catch!

Oh yes!

281 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:34:46pm

re: #256 LudwigVanQuixote

I think you should bring GF for a visit to Baltimore. We'd have a gay old time!

282 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:35:10pm

re: #275 windupbird

I used to bounce at a very scuzzy blues place in a bad part of town in Chicago, and in a very upscale place in Belmont where I was the 'doorman'. I never had a single fight at the blues place. The yuppies raged every weekend.

283 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:35:16pm

re: #272 Obdicut

Friends are probably the most important thing in this world, for success, happiness, and awesome stories.

who else but a friend is going to willingly let me drift their muscle car *_*

284 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:35:17pm

re: #273 avanti

Got my ass kicked badly, defending a gals honor. (Hint, bad guys know how to fight better than gentlemen)

Got shot at with a 3 inch gun, but behind 8 inches of armor plate, so that does not count.

Spent 3 weeks living on the beach in a landing craft, eating C rations for most of it.

i beg to differ. as someone who has never been shot at, you are allowed to say that being shot at, whether behind armor or not, counts.

285 darthstar  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:35:32pm

re: #246 Obdicut

I've been in a hurricane, a forest fire, had a gun pulled on me, had a gun fired at me, had dynamite thrown at me, been pushed off a two story roof, trapped on a mountain overnight, and I used to be a bouncer and was attacked with a variety of things there.

My brother wins, though: He's been bit by a cougar (cat kind) and shat on by a polar bear.

I got bit by a shark when I was 15. My fault, really. I didn't think the sucker had teeth...or more precisely, I didn't see the teeth as they were folded back into its gums, and when I went to take the hook out, the little fucker clamped down on my finger. I was aboard a Fijian cargo ship (a trip arranged by my host-parents as I was an exchange student). Fortunately, one of the crew members was fast with a large club and managed to stun the little (3ft Mako) fucker with one whack, and I got my hand back mostly in tact.

Next was the trip to the galley, where the Indian cook opened a pot covered with huge cockroaches, brushed them aside, and scooped a handful of salt to throw on my hand (causing quite a scream on my part) before cleaning me up and bandaging me. I got an extra bowl of Kava that night (along with an extra couple of beers) to help put me to sleep.

286 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:35:34pm

re: #277 Alouette

Like this diplomatic mission abroad?

Go for it. I don't have the energy to completely list why he's a putz. But someone should!

287 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:35:38pm

re: #244 windupbird

yeah, but we have our own little tribe of weird outsider artists, we all get each other because we're all similar. I'm a lot more square/stable (believe it or not) but I'm still in the ballpark of weird. :D

Weird is good, normal is boring. I'm in my 60's and just showed my kid what a Chinese fire drill is at a traffic light last month with the wife.

288 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:35:53pm

re: #96 Cato the Elder

We never should have given up regular, affordable ocean liner service across the Atlantic.

You mean steerage? Only instead of 9 hours (economy class), it's 9 days.

289 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:36:03pm

re: #252 Walter L. Newton

Thanks.

by the way...camping sans technology doesn't count for your purposes, right? that just occurred to me...

290 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:36:23pm

re: #254 RogueOne

All 3, you forgot one, #4. seen a man killed? kind of a weird question tho, planning your weekend?

No... it's not a weird question. I grew up with "nasty" all around me, in both social and domestic areas. I grew up not "frightened" by anything, things that happened were just part of life, nothing special, nothing new.

Reading this blog, and one other local forum in my area, I see differing degrees of what "frightens" people, what rattle people, what makes them uncomfortable, and when I ask this question, it comports with the amount of real danger a person has or hasn't had to go through.

It's not rocket science or anything, more anecdotal probably than anything, but I personally am not bothered by people carrying guns, not bothered by the rhetoric heard from a lot of people, there are very few places or people that rattle me...

I really don't have a "plan" in asking a question like that, just doing a little armchair analyst of life.

291 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:36:25pm

Oh I forgot, WUB, some other friends, and I almost got hunted and scalped (or at least we think) by some Issaquah hicks once!

That was freakin' scary!

292 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:36:50pm

re: #281 Cato the Elder

I think you should bring GF for a visit to Baltimore. We'd have a gay old time!

I will refrain from punning and merely state that my idea of fun would not be to listen to the two of you argue in Latin. However, hitting Vaccarro's sometime might be a real possibility.

293 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:37:08pm

re: #282 Obdicut

I used to bounce at a very scuzzy blues place in a bad part of town in Chicago, and in a very upscale place in Belmont where I was the 'doorman'. I never had a single fight at the blues place. The yuppies raged every weekend.

gah! Damn yuppies. They all buy a BMW 3 series and think they're Gordon Gekko :D

294 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:37:13pm

re: #279 TheMatrix31

The point of that comment might have gone over the head, but whatever.

Friends are great, but any more than a few is completely unnecessary and often dangerous, if you want to avoid drama.

Wow. That seems a lot like ex post facto reasoning to me. I'm glad that I have as many friends as I do-- for example, moving to New York, I'm comforted by how many friends I have living there already, and they're helping me find an apartment, navigate the odd tax codes in NYC, etc. etc.

Can you explain how your point went over my head?

295 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:37:54pm

re: #264 Cato the Elder

Mugged. √

Burgled while home. √

Guns pullled on me. Not yet.

Bar fights. √

Natural disasters: earthquakes, hurricanes and floods. √

How am I doing? √

Stop back by the house... we can get drunk and I'll show you the firearm collection... :) ///// (see, this time, sarc tags, happy face, nanna nanna boo boo all that jazz)

296 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:38:08pm

re: #287 avanti

Weird is good, normal is boring. I'm in my 60's and just showed my kid what a Chinese fire drill is at a traffic light last month with the wife.

HAHAHAHAHAHA YES

My parents used to do that. The won't do it for me, though :D

297 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:39:23pm

re: #291 windsagio

Oh I forgot, WUB, some other friends, and I almost got hunted and scalped (or at least we think) by some Issaquah hicks once!

That was freakin' scary!

Oh fucking Helltown, I forgot about that. We never saw them per se, they just blocked J's truck in. They could have been for real, though ._.

298 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:39:35pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

I have a honest question, for all. How many of you have had a real gun pulled on you? By someone who for all intensive purposes, would have used it?

How many of you have been mugged... in real bar fights where knives and/or guns have been pulled?

How many of you have been part of a major disaster, a tornado that tore half of your neighborhood apart, or a hurricane or earthquake, some situation where you actually had to live without services for a week or two.

Just wondering.

I've been robbed at knife point—arm around my neck form behind, knife to my throat. Highly unpleasant. Everything was strangely crystal clear and in slow-mo, like HDTV.

I was much younger then and managed to fight the guy off and escape with only some knots on my head (from punches) and a few scrapes & stitches from the knife. It was one of those folding knives, about 5" long. Luckily for me it was old, fairly dull and rusty, so it snapped in the middle at the hinge. The business end of it broke off in my grip and I got one good slice back at him on his shoulder. And a couple of good kicks (I was wearing boots).

299 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:39:49pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

I miss parachute pants.

I miss gold lame' skinny stretch ankle pants.
*sigh*

300 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:40:10pm

re: #265 Thanos

Walter my answer is none of the above.

Thanks

(did I thank everyone?)

301 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:40:37pm

re: #298 CuriousLurker

I've been robbed at knife point—arm around my neck form behind, knife to my throat. Highly unpleasant. Everything was strangely crystal clear and in slow-mo, like HDTV.

I was much younger then and managed to fight the guy off and escape with only some knots on my head (from punches) and a few scrapes & stitches from the knife. It was one of those folding knives, about 5" long. Luckily for me it was old, fairly dull and rusty, so it snapped in the middle at the hinge. The business end of it broke off in my grip and I got one good slice back at him on his shoulder. And a couple of good kicks (I was wearing boots).

Thanks.

302 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:40:44pm

re: #290 Walter L. Newton

No... it's not a weird question. I grew up with "nasty" all around me, in both social and domestic areas. I grew up not "frightened" by anything, things that happened were just part of life, nothing special, nothing new.

Reading this blog, and one other local forum in my area, I see differing degrees of what "frightens" people, what rattle people, what makes them uncomfortable, and when I ask this question, it comports with the amount of real danger a person has or hasn't had to go through.

It's not rocket science or anything, more anecdotal probably than anything, but I personally am not bothered by people carrying guns, not bothered by the rhetoric heard from a lot of people, there are very few places or people that rattle me...

I really don't have a "plan" in asking a question like that, just doing a little armchair analyst of life.

I'm pretty mild mannered and have never really been in much danger, yeah. I'm not really much of an adventurer :D

303 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:41:33pm

re: #299 reine.de.tout

I miss gold lame' skinny stretch ankle pants.
*sigh*

ew

304 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:41:47pm

re: #294 Obdicut

Not your head, wind's. I'm not into making "friends" in a plastic way on a blog with people who have shown to be and act a certain way throughout my entire exposure and interaction with them.

I don't like playing nice just to play nice, it's artificial.

People in Los Angeles are shady enough, I don't like dealing with that shit online also.

305 carefulnow  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:42:24pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

I have a honest question, for all. How many of you have had a real gun pulled on you? By someone who for all intensive purposes, would have used it?

How many of you have been mugged... in real bar fights where knives and/or guns have been pulled?

How many of you have been part of a major disaster, a tornado that tore half of your neighborhood apart, or a hurricane or earthquake, some situation where you actually had to live without services for a week or two.

Just wondering.

I was caught between two gangbangers when I was getting into my car to go to work. The punk's gun jammed.

I walked in on a burglar once. Don't know if he had a gun, but I did. He was caught by police.

I was stalked by a crazy man for over a year - that's when I decided to get a gun.

Lived near the epicenter of two major earthquakes in 1971 and 1994. Don't know what that has to do with the gun question.

Why are you wondering, I wonder?

306 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:42:24pm

re: #290 Walter L. Newton

A funny point there; some of the things that you get used to are different.

For instance, I'm pretty brave about disabled people trying to beat me up.

307 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:42:26pm

re: #95 darthstar

Carter's work with Habitat for Humanity, his diplomatic missions abroad, etc. have been unequaled by any other ex-president. What has George HW Bush done (aside from joining Clinton after the 2004 Tsunami)? And what has the idiot son of said asshole done (aside from joining Clinton after the Haiti earthquake)?

Remember this classic?

[Video]

I'm perfectly willing to give Clinton the same credit for the Tsunami and Haiti work he's done with the Bushes.

308 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:43:09pm

re: #304 TheMatrix31

I have no clue what you're talking about.

Every time you post on LGF, you sound angry and miserable.

309 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:43:12pm

re: #304 TheMatrix31

Don't worry, its abundantly clear to everyone that you hate my guts, and have for months :p

310 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:43:19pm

re: #288 Alouette

You mean steerage? Only instead of 9 hours (economy class), it's 9 days.

Back in the day, ordinary people could afford the equivalent of economy seats on a cramped airplane, only they got berths, three squares a day, dancing, the use of the promenade deck, and all kinds of other amenities. And the crossing from Cherbourg to New York didn't take any nine days.

My first trip to Europe was in 1978. I didn't want to buy a round-trip flight, because I wasn't sure when I was coming back. (Junior year abroad, anything can happen - and almost everything did!)

So I booked on one of the last non-hyper-luxury trans-Atlantic ships. The "Mikhail Lermontov" out of Leningrad. New York to Bremerhaven, $350. Full service. Plus wild undergraduate sex with grrrls from George Washington University on the boat deck. And doobies right under the nose of the Captain.

High times, indeed.

311 Jack Burton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:43:46pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

Had a gun pulled on me twice, and indirectly shot at, at least once. Both times I had a gun pulled on me I was scared for about a fraction of a second, and then adrenalin took over and made me into some screaming maniac bad ass that I really was not. (Both times I remember taunting the person to "Do it!") I'm lucky the guys with the guns were more scared than I was in both situations or I might not be here posting this.

312 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:43:46pm

re: #304 TheMatrix31

Not your head, wind's. I'm not into making "friends" in a plastic way on a blog with people who have shown to be and act a certain way throughout my entire exposure and interaction with them.

I don't like playing nice just to play nice, it's artificial.

People in Los Angeles are shady enough, I don't like dealing with that shit online also.

huh. because i like being friendLY regardless of whether i intend to make friends. I fail to see how that does anything but work in my favor (when i do it right, of course...execution is everything)

313 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:43:49pm

re: #284 Aceofwhat?

i beg to differ. as someone who has never been shot at, you are allowed to say that being shot at, whether behind armor or not, counts.

Yea, but when they bring Marines on board your cruiser for hot food, and a shower and they think it's a friggin vacation, you get a sense of how lucky you are.

314 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:44:00pm

re: #292 LudwigVanQuixote

I will refrain from punning and merely state that my idea of fun would not be to listen to the two of you argue in Latin. However, hitting Vaccarro's sometime might be a real possibility.

Aww, I promise we'll translate everything into bad English verse for you!

315 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:44:37pm

re: #307 reine.de.tout

I shouldn't get into it again, but the problem comes when people not liking the things he's said re: Israel/Palestine seems to lead to enormous levels of hate and a negation of all the good things he's done in the last 30 years.

That's problematic at best.

316 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:45:02pm

re: #299 reine.de.tout

I miss 80's F-bodies

317 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:45:20pm

re: #312 Aceofwhat?

I won't be a dick just to be a dick either. I'll be friendly with those who haven't proven to be assholes, of course.

318 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:45:25pm

re: #206 freetoken

I was driving through the Phoenix area once, and the traffic was bad on the freeway, even though it was an hour of the day in which it ought not be.

When I finally got to the head of the pack I discovered why. Two cars were dueling it out, so to speak, with an old geyser in front (driving some big old auto) waving a long barrel gun (while driving) at a guy aggressively tailgating him!

It was as hilarious as frightening.

They let geysers drive in Arizona?

319 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:45:27pm

re: #305 carefulnow

I was caught between two gangbangers when I was getting into my car to go to work. The punk's gun jammed.

I walked in on a burglar once. Don't know if he had a gun, but I did. He was caught by police.

I was stalked by a crazy man for over a year - that's when I decided to get a gun.

Lived near the epicenter of two major earthquakes in 1971 and 1994. Don't know what that has to do with the gun question.

Why are you wondering, I wonder?

Thanks... if anything, my question has to do with the discomfort level that people have had to put up with in life. I notice for some people, they have turned it into a quality that benefits them, others have been scarred for life, others become very distrustful, a whole range of outcomes from incidents like that.

Just wondering.

320 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:45:33pm

re: #303 Aceofwhat?

ew

yeah.

321 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:45:40pm

re: #308 Obdicut

Every time you post on LGF, you sound angry and miserable.

Yeah, life's stressful.

322 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:46:24pm

re: #304 TheMatrix31

Not your head, wind's. I'm not into making "friends" in a plastic way on a blog with people who have shown to be and act a certain way throughout my entire exposure and interaction with them.

I don't like playing nice just to play nice, it's artificial.

People in Los Angeles are shady enough, I don't like dealing with that shit online also.

heh, I can at least sympathize with the LA sentiment :P

323 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:47:08pm

re: #311 ArchangelMichael

Had a gun pulled on me twice, and indirectly shot at, at least once. Both times I had a gun pulled on me I was scared for about a fraction of a second, and then adrenalin took over and made me into some screaming maniac bad ass that I really was not. (Both times I remember taunting the person to "Do it!") I'm lucky the guys with the guns were more scared than I was in both situations or I might not be here posting this.

Thanks.

The "fight or flight" instinct is interesting, isn't it? It's not always accompanied by a rational decision, more like autopilot.

324 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:47:32pm

re: #315 windsagio

I shouldn't get into it again, but the problem comes when people not liking the things he's said re: Israel/Palestine seems to lead to enormous levels of hate and a negation of all the good things he's done in the last 30 years.

That's problematic at best.

Look:
The Habitat for Humanity project and the work they do in various communities is wonderful, just wonderful, and I know he's heavily involved in that, in fact, his involvement sort of promoted it and that's a good thing.

But he was a terrible President; he's been a terrible ex-President, often poking his nose where it doesn't belong; and I cannot think well of anyone who is as anti-Israel as Carter is.

325 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:47:55pm

re: #317 TheMatrix31

I won't be a dick just to be a dick either. I'll be friendly with those who haven't proven to be assholes, of course.

on any given day, any given person can be an asshole.

326 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:48:00pm

re: #316 windupbird

I miss 80's F-bodies

Your link gave me a blank page.
Thanks a lot for nuttin'.

327 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:48:07pm

re: #322 windupbird

Yep.

328 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:48:51pm

re: #324 reine.de.tout

which comes back to it being all about his Position on Israel. Its myopic.

Also I can think of some, like OBL. He's probably more anti-israel than Carter. So is the head of Hizballah, most likely.

329 avanti  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:49:25pm

re: #254 RogueOne

All 3, you forgot one, #4. seen a man killed? kind of a weird question tho, planning your weekend?

One time, for me. Saw a sailor get between a swinging 6x6 truck and the side of a Mike boat well deck on my first ship. A few others were killed on my ship, but did not see it. Just after I left my cruiser, a 8 inch round went off inside the gun mount, glad I missed being there for that one.

330 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:49:37pm

re: #325 Aceofwhat?

Most definitely. That's why you gotta be more, I don't know, judicious about it.

331 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:49:57pm

re: #317 TheMatrix31

I won't be a dick just to be a dick either. I'll be friendly with those who haven't proven to be assholes, of course.

Oh, go ahead and be friends with everybody, what's the harm?
Each thread is it's own thing.
I don't remember from one thread to the next who said what, and what I thought was asshole-ish.

332 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:50:18pm

re: #326 reine.de.tout

Your link gave me a blank page.
Thanks a lot for nuttin'.


noooo let me try again:

Image: 1988-pontiac-firebird-88-trans-am.jpg

[Link: www.classyauto.com...]

always had a soft spot for 80's Trans Ams :D

333 carefulnow  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:50:54pm

re: #290 Walter L. Newton

No... it's not a weird question. I grew up with "nasty" all around me, in both social and domestic areas. I grew up not "frightened" by anything, things that happened were just part of life, nothing special, nothing new.

Reading this blog, and one other local forum in my area, I see differing degrees of what "frightens" people, what rattle people, what makes them uncomfortable, and when I ask this question, it comports with the amount of real danger a person has or hasn't had to go through.

It's not rocket science or anything, more anecdotal probably than anything, but I personally am not bothered by people carrying guns, not bothered by the rhetoric heard from a lot of people, there are very few places or people that rattle me...

I really don't have a "plan" in asking a question like that, just doing a little armchair analyst of life.

Sorry I asked you why you were wondering before I read this.

334 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:50:58pm

re: #290 Walter L. Newton

No... it's not a weird question. I grew up with "nasty" all around me, in both social and domestic areas. I grew up not "frightened" by anything, things that happened were just part of life, nothing special, nothing new.

Reading this blog, and one other local forum in my area, I see differing degrees of what "frightens" people, what rattle people, what makes them uncomfortable, and when I ask this question, it comports with the amount of real danger a person has or hasn't had to go through.

It's not rocket science or anything, more anecdotal probably than anything, but I personally am not bothered by people carrying guns, not bothered by the rhetoric heard from a lot of people, there are very few places or people that rattle me...

I really don't have a "plan" in asking a question like that, just doing a little armchair analyst of life.

My conclusion may be a bit different. If you have been shot at and had a gun put between your eyes, you may become a little bit bothered by things when feeling threatened.
Rhetoric, oddly enough, means squat to me. People carrying guns do not bother me either as long as they are handling them properly. Bad weather though makes me nervous! A tornado warning is full on panic.

335 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:51:07pm

re: #331 reine.de.tout

And that's a great skill, necessary even on the internet.

We can argue fiercely (well not that fiercely) about Carter in this thread, and then go and be friends in the next one.

Also being friendly doesn't mean you let people get away with fallacies.

336 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:51:28pm

re: #328 windsagio

which comes back to it being all about his Position on Israel. Its myopic.

Also I can think of some, like OBL. He's probably more anti-israel than Carter. So is the head of Hizballah, most likely.

Uh, probably.
I don't much care for them either.

337 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:51:32pm

BBIAB... if you need to know, going to take a shower before dinner, then it's LOST PIZZA TUESDAY, then LOST and then I have to pull a 8 hour overnight at the supermarket with the Self-scan station and a night grocery manager who is a 60 year old ex-marine and has that stereotypical "bully" mentality.

I'm substituting for the regular overnight person yesterday and today. DId it the first time last night, didn't like it too much. The night crew people act like they shouldn't be on the streets after dark.

I grew up in Brooklyn, I know longshoreman, these night guys remind me of union thugs (our store is non-union, but most of these guys come from other union stores in our chain).

Maybe that's the reason for my "gun" question above.

338 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:51:44pm

re: #336 reine.de.tout

+ for a good zing >

339 The Shadow Do  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:52:39pm

re: #298 CuriousLurker

I've been robbed at knife point—arm around my neck form behind, knife to my throat. Highly unpleasant. Everything was strangely crystal clear and in slow-mo, like HDTV.

I was much younger then and managed to fight the guy off and escape with only some knots on my head (from punches) and a few scrapes & stitches from the knife. It was one of those folding knives, about 5" long. Luckily for me it was old, fairly dull and rusty, so it snapped in the middle at the hinge. The business end of it broke off in my grip and I got one good slice back at him on his shoulder. And a couple of good kicks (I was wearing boots).

Lesson learned. Do not mess with lurkers.

340 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:52:57pm

re: #332 windupbird

nooo let me try again:

Image: 1988-pontiac-firebird-88-trans-am.jpg

[Link: www.classyauto.com...]

always had a soft spot for 80's Trans Ams :D

Damn.
One of these days I'm gonna drive something other than a Mom car.

341 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:53:31pm

re: #338 windsagio

+ for a good zing >

+ just 'cause I like ya.

342 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:53:56pm

re: #341 reine.de.tout

I am certainly lovable!

343 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:54:13pm

re: #331 reine.de.tout

Wish I could, Reine. Really, I wish I could. God bless you for being more forgiving and tolerant than I am.

344 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:54:14pm

re: #342 windsagio

I am certainly lovable!

You have your moments

345 windsagio  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:54:57pm

re: #344 reine.de.tout

I could keep this going for hours, but I really need to try again to go get some food. Stupid blog keeps sucking me back in.

Lata!

346 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:55:31pm

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

Thanks.

The "fight or flight" instinct is interesting, isn't it? It's not always accompanied by a rational decision, more like autopilot.

If that's what you were interested in, I have a much better F/F story. A few years ago I was happily, nakedly, sleeping in my 2AM bed. I awoke hearing some crashes and bangs in the entrance hall, jumped out of bed and ran whooping down the hallway, turning on lights as I went. When I rounded the corner I learned that my wife was expecting the 25 yr-old daughter's visit, but didn't pass the memo. Wife and dau wanted to know how I planned to win a naked, empty-handed attack. I told them I had the advantage of surprise.

347 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:55:53pm

re: #343 TheMatrix31

Wish I could, Reine. Really, I wish I could. God bless you for being more forgiving and tolerant than I am.

I have to keep smiling.
It's sort of nature's facelift.
So I can't get too upset, otherwise - awful things happen to the face.

Silliness aside - life goes on, and there is the possibility with a good well-stated courteous argument, you can get someone to THINK about something, but you won't ever know it from what people post.

348 Obdicut  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:56:55pm

re: #346 Decatur Deb

I found being naked helpful in the South Side of Chicago in deterring prowlers. One guy was trying to jimmy my window but changed his mind when I came into the room naked and smiling at him through the glass.

349 TheMatrix31  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:57:08pm

re: #347 reine.de.tout

Yep.

Anyways, I'm gone. Too much to pay attention to tonight. Can't sit in front of the computer. Later folks.

350 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:58:00pm

re: #319 Walter L. Newton

Thanks... if anything, my question has to do with the discomfort level that people have had to put up with in life. I notice for some people, they have turned it into a quality that benefits them, others have been scarred for life, others become very distrustful, a whole range of outcomes from incidents like that.

Just wondering.

The first time I was burgled at home, I was taking a nap. Broad daylight outside. He came in through the bathroom window (to echo a Beatles song) on the third floor. I confronted him in an afternoon-nappy daze. Backed him back into the bathroom, where he grabbed (I kid you not) a can of "Scrubbing Bubbles" and threatened to spray me with it. I grabbed it back out of his hand and backed him all the way back to the window, out of which he limberly climbed and disappeared the way he came. Down the wall, like fuckin' Spider Man.

The cops got a full set of prints off the cleanser can, and I identified him from a photo lineup, but nothing ever came of it.

After that I bought a gun.

The next time, new house, living on second floor. Guy comes up the fire escape at three in the morning and starts messing around at my bedroom window, four feet from my bed. I didn't have a dog at the time, but I'm a light sleeper. Woke up, put the laser dot on his chest, and asked him to look at it. He said, "I'm from the house next door." Right. So he took the hint when I said I knew everybody next door and he wasn't one of them, skittered back down the fire escape, scampered up and over the eight-foot chain-link fence to the next yard (ungated at the the time, which is how he got in) and disappeared down the alley, yelling "I know where you live, motherfucker!"

Burglars, in my experience, are not an impressive lot.

351 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:58:09pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

I have a honest question, for all. How many of you have had a real gun pulled on you? By someone who for all intensive purposes, would have used it?

How many of you have been mugged... in real bar fights where knives and/or guns have been pulled?

How many of you have been part of a major disaster, a tornado that tore half of your neighborhood apart, or a hurricane or earthquake, some situation where you actually had to live without services for a week or two.

Just wondering.

I was living in Israel in 1973, but my daughter actually had rockets shot at her neighborhood in Safed in 2006.

352 researchok  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 4:59:31pm

re: #351 Alouette

I was living in Israel in 1973, but my daughter actually had rockets shot at her neighborhood in Safed in 2006.

And I complain when they leave yet more phone books at my door.

353 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:00:01pm

LOL! Seriously though, it was late at night and this guy had the intention of not just robbing me, but taking me elsewhere to do God knows what. It came down to a split second decision to either take my chances and fight to try to escape while I was in a residential neighborhood, or be taken to some remote area and....? That's about as far I needed to think to make up my mind. ;-)

354 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:00:05pm

re: #347 reine.de.tout

I have to keep smiling.
It's sort of nature's facelift.
So I can't get too upset, otherwise - awful things happen to the face.

I can testify that Reine has one of the most beautiful smiles on the planet.

355 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:02:46pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

I have a honest question, for all. How many of you have had a real gun pulled on you? By someone who for all intensive purposes, would have used it?

How many of you have been mugged... in real bar fights where knives and/or guns have been pulled?

How many of you have been part of a major disaster, a tornado that tore half of your neighborhood apart, or a hurricane or earthquake, some situation where you actually had to live without services for a week or two.

Just wondering.

The Roi and I were stopped by the cops once, guns drawn, yelling at us to put our hands behind our heads, or something. I was 3 months pregnant. We met the description of some drug dealers they were looking for - man and a woman, in a white Ford Crown Vic, hanging around a particular neighborhood (where we had just visited some friends).

Scared me to death.

356 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:03:13pm

re: #354 Cato the Elder

I can testify that Reine has one of the most beautiful smiles on the planet.

*blush*
You are very very kind!

357 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:03:28pm

re: #339 The Shadow Do

Lesson learned. Do not mess with lurkers.

Oops! My #353 was supposed to be in reply to you.

358 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:03:53pm

re: #353 CuriousLurker

That's another factor for the flight/fight question--you probably had "preset" your reaction. That, and visualization drills, remove the fatal hesitance.

359 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:04:26pm

re: #340 reine.de.tout

Damn.
One of these days I'm gonna drive something other than a Mom car.

There's a lot of good rides with Corvette engines for cheap out there! hell, some of them even come with back seats that work: Image: hppp_0811_web_01_z+2005_pontiac_GTO+autocross.jpg

360 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:06:32pm

re: #348 Obdicut

I found being naked helpful in the South Side of Chicago in deterring prowlers. One guy was trying to jimmy my window but changed his mind when I came into the room naked and smiling at him through the glass.

Heehee!

361 reine.de.tout  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:06:38pm

re: #359 windupbird

There's a lot of good rides with Corvette engines for cheap out there! hell, some of them even come with back seats that work: Image: hppp_0811_web_01_z+2005_pontiac_GTO+autocr oss.jpg

Doesn't have quite the style I want. I liked the car you linked earlier. I want something that doesn't scream "MOM". I want something that says "Crazy Old Lady Who Drives Too Fast".

362 Cato the Elder  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 5:10:43pm

re: #356 reine.de.tout

*blush*
You are very very kind!

Not at all. It's the simple truth.

363 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:00:46pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

I have a honest question, for all. How many of you have had a real gun pulled on you? By someone who for all intensive purposes, would have used it?

How many of you have been mugged... in real bar fights where knives and/or guns have been pulled?

How many of you have been part of a major disaster, a tornado that tore half of your neighborhood apart, or a hurricane or earthquake, some situation where you actually had to live without services for a week or two.

Just wondering.


Anyone ever stubbed a toe really hard?

364 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:04:53pm

re: #236 The Shadow Do

Bar fight with knives, only one.
OKC in the basement of the Holiday Inn in "98 - Cat 5
Power out in East TX for 5 days after ice storm.
Oh, and two times had a gun put in my face.

Life is full of surprises.

Guns and knives pulled on me at various times and in various places.

Scariest thing was a murder threat by the some good ol' boys (collective I.Q. 68) my first night in a Southern county jail.

365 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:12:18pm

re: #334 The Shadow Do

I was alright with the tornado sirens going off until I had kids. I try to be as pro active as possible. When the sirens go off now, I have them sit in the basement with their rain boots and bike helmets on.
Just creating stories for them to share at a later date.

366 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:14:11pm

re: #285 darthstar

I got bit by a shark when I was 15. My fault, really. I didn't think the sucker had teeth...or more precisely, I didn't see the teeth as they were folded back into its gums, and when I went to take the hook out, the little fucker clamped down on my finger. I was aboard a Fijian cargo ship (a trip arranged by my host-parents as I was an exchange student). Fortunately, one of the crew members was fast with a large club and managed to stun the little (3ft Mako) fucker with one whack, and I got my hand back mostly in tact.

Next was the trip to the galley, where the Indian cook opened a pot covered with huge cockroaches, brushed them aside, and scooped a handful of salt to throw on my hand (causing quite a scream on my part) before cleaning me up and bandaging me. I got an extra bowl of Kava that night (along with an extra couple of beers) to help put me to sleep.

That reminds me of the old Canadian Club adventure story advertisements that you used to see in magazines like Esquire back in the day: "And then we all adjourned to the veranda for a round of drinks and cigars. All in all, it had been quite a day."

367 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:20:00pm

re: #318 Cato the Elder

They let geysers drive in Arizona?

There you go, spouting off again.

368 ryannon  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 6:23:40pm

So then I finally get to the my own posts and it's been a dead thread for the last hour a no one has even read them!

hahahaha

shit.

369 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:33:38pm

re: #182 Aceofwhat?

Yep. My only solace is that there are enough sane Republicans like me who will sink our ship rather than let this sort of thing get any real control. They may be able to elect the occasional Bachmann, but OTOH, Charlie Crist only needs to switch to independent and Rubio is gone.

Are you in Florida?

What makes you sound so confident of that?

Rubio's support is the support of the faithful, not of the principles. There has been damning evidence in local papers of his high flying expense life style, but it makes little difference to the mindset of "No".

370 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:38:34pm

Don't know if you'll beback to read this, but I'll reply anyway.

re: #358 Decatur Deb

That's another factor for the flight/fight question--you probably had "preset" your reaction. That, and visualization drills, remove the fatal hesitance.

I don't know anything about preset reactions or visualization drills, all I remember is paralyzing shock, fear and panic for the first couple of seconds. Then something else kicked in & took over.

That's when time seemed to slow to a crawl. The fog of fear & panic evaporated, and my mind began very calmly & efficiently assessing the options. During all this thinking, my brain somehow retrieved an old memory of my dad having told me that when he was in the Marine Corps they taught them to always try to take an injury to a part of the body where there are no vital organs.

So keeping useful bit of info in mind, I got to the "fight" option and took it at my first opportunity (i.e. I grabbed the knife by the blade and started fighting like a hellcat). I never felt any of the punches the guy rained on me, nor did I feel any of the cuts. Adrenaline is a wonderful thing. So are dads who give useful advice, so all you guys pass that on to your daughters. ;)

Anyway, it was pretty bizarre because I know the whole episode couldn't have taken more than 60-90 seconds, yet it seemed much longer.

This didn't happen in the best part of town. Once I got away from the guy, I headed for the nearest house, which had a fence around it. As I approached the gate, I saw a big German Shepard come charging up. I looked at him... he stopped... we stared at each other for a couple of seconds... and then he backed up and let me pass without a peep.

Soooo, to wrap up the story: I knocked on the door of the house, and much to my relief the guy who answered looked sort of like Mr. T, but without the mohawk & chains. He was completely calm and gently pried the knife blade out of the death grip that I (unknowingly) still had it in, all the while talking me down from the adrenaline rush I was still high on. Then he called the police and helped clean me up. And guess what? He was a Vietnam vet. Marine Corps no less.

371 Achilles Tang  Tue, Apr 20, 2010 7:44:02pm

Rubio and friends

372 Vambo  Wed, Apr 21, 2010 5:10:34am

General Electric Theater... I LOL'ed.


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