Ohio GOP Politician Sends Incredibly Racist Email, Not Sorry

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Salon’s Mary Elizabeth Williams reports: Ohio Politician Not Sorry for Incredibly Racist Email.

In an age where nearly every day a politician has to step forward and issue an apology for his role in a traffic mess or running over a flock of ducks or what have you, you’ve got to give Bob Carleton credit for breaking the mold. After the Norwalk, Ohio, city council member was questioned about sending out a December email the Toledo Blade has called simultaneously “insensitive,” “bigoted” and “cruel,” Carleton’s response has been to shrug that he thought it was funny. No halfhearted promises of sensitivity here. Oh no, not for Bob Carleton!

Back in December, the 71 year-old Republican sent the email to nearly two dozen friends, colleagues and the city law director. It bore the subject head “Spelling Bee Champ.” The text, which appears to have been going around the Internet for at least five years, reads:

My name be Eboneesha Hernandez, a African-Hispanic-American Girl who jus got a award for bein the bess speler in class. I gots a 47% on the spelin text and 38 points for being black, 10 points for not bringin drugs to class, 10 points for not bringin guns to class, and 15 points for not getting pregnut during the cemester. It be hard to beat a score of 120%.

White dude sit nex to me is McGee from Jaxon Mizipy. He got a 94% on the text but no extra points on acount of he have the same skin color as the opressirs of 150 years ago. Granny ax me to thank all dimocrafts and liberuls for suportin afermative axion. You be showin da way to true eqwallity.

I be gittin in medical skool nex an mabe I be yo doctor since Barrac takn over da healfcare in dis contry.

I know it’s a spelling-themed email, but here’s a math question: how many different groups is this offensive to, and how many unique slurs can you find in it?

Amazingly, not everyone Carleton sent it to - and he’s told the Blade he actually sent it to even more people - found it amusing. Norwalk law director G. Stuart O’Hara said, “I was shocked. I didn’t care for the joke, if that’s what it was supposed to be.” But the repercussions for Carleton have so far been nil. Mayor Rob Duncan, while admitting, “This is nothing that we would condone or endorse,” says it’s the city council’s responsibility to address the mail, noting, “Bob is technically not part of the administration. He is part of city council so we really don’t have authority over council.” The council, he says, didn’t even bring it up in its December meeting. And he supportively adds, “I think I know Bob well enough and I don’t think he would do anything malicious and intentional.” Go back and read the email and then think about that. Yeah, what’s malicious there? “I can see where someone would do that without thinking about it,” Duncan says. “But in our positions we have to think.” So apparently according to Mayor Duncan, Carleton’s offense isn’t racism but hastiness.

More at Salon.

The wingnuts who spread this kind of racist shit are also the same ones who are like all HURR HURR REPUBLICANZ ENDED SLAVERY AND TEH DEMOCRATS IS TEH ORIGINAL RACISTS!!!11!!!!

HURR HURR

HURR HURR!!!!

HURR HURR!!!1!!!

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238 comments
1 CriticalDragon1177  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 10:21:30am

Vicious Babushka,

That cartoon of course, ignores the fact among other things, that both the Republican and Democratic parties are radically different than they were in the 1860’s. One wonders if people like that understand that political parties are not static things.

2 BusyMonster  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 10:40:08am

Wow, Republicans just keep getting classier. They’re such cool, neat people!

I mean, I love hanging out with 12-year-olds whose idea of funny is armpit farts, too!

3 nines09  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 10:57:29am

How can you apologize for being you? After all, if you’re a bigoted jerkoff, well that’s who you are. He’s proud of his ignorance. It’s his badge he wears with pride.

4 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:19:48am

And the rebranding effort continues apace …

Please continue, Republicans.

5 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:20:18am

Even calling it a “joke” shows the racism of the person saying that.

6 freetoken  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:20:42am

This is America, 2014, where hate is an industry:

One of the Senates top atavists, and Senior Republicans, proclaims:

Global warming denier Jim Inhofe: ‘Fewer and fewer’ senators believe in climate change ‘hoax’

There are a couple ways to interpret that headline (thanks, RawStory), but the body of the article makes it clear:

The U.S. Senate’s leading global warming denier says “fewer and fewer” of his colleagues believe in climate change.

RawStory links to a WND, which itself is a story about Inhofe being interviewed by NY WABC sensationalist Aaron Klein, who happens to have a WND blog:

kleinonline.wnd.com

WND, as has been amply demonstrated the past couple of years, is a Stormfront-esque site that intentionally markets to white supremacists.

Why WABC is owned by Cumulus Media, which apparently has no problem with this kind of stuff.

When will Inhofe be called on his associations?

There is money to be made in hate, and in these particular instances (of the Ohio politician, and of WND, and countless others) racial hate is profitable.

7 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:22:08am

Shit, no wonder they have to tell themselves that black voters vote Democrat for “free stuff,” because otherwise they might actually have to take a second and ask themselves “Why is it we come off as a bunch of racist assholes?”

8 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:22:25am

The only thing racist about our little funny joke is you people pointing out our racism!!

9 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:22:29am

HURR HURR
Oh and look at this guy’s Twitter illustration on the top left of his home page.

10 erik_t  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:22:30am

I thought a gun in the classroom was a good, safe, wonderful thing now.

It’s so hard to keep up with the rebranding.

11 Gus  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:25:38am

Oh yeah. What about Robert Byrd?!?!?!

12 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:25:47am

Sorry, but it isn’t the name of the political party, but where these folks are located. GOP or Democrat, it’s those located in the South that opposed desegregation. They opposed the ending of slavery. And they’re opposing equal rights for minorities to this day.

But trying to claim that just because one political party 100+ years ago ended slavery doesn’t mean we should ignore what they’ve done since. Or now. Because it would go against what Lincoln stood for.

When you break down the civil rights voting on geography, the key constant is support/opposition by region - not party affiliation.

13 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:26:45am

I’m so tired of the stereotypes.

I know more white trash that blows that meme right out of the water.

Freakin’ Duck Dynasty makes money pandering to white trash.

14 b.d.  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:26:49am

Can the Republicans please just come out with ONE example of being on the side of African Americans since Ronald Reagan was president?

15 jaunte  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:26:59am

re: #9 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s getting hard to tell whether the people that keep that “political parties never change/Democrats were the KKK” theme going are ignorant, or just trying to establish solidarity with ignorant people.

16 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:27:29am

re: #14 b.d.

Can the Republicans please just come out with >ONE example of being on the side of African Americans since Ronald Reagan was president?

The last Republican President to be in favor of Civil Rights was Eisenhower.

17 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:27:51am

re: #16 Pie-onist Overlord

The last Republican President to be in favor of Civil Rights was Eisenhower.

LBJ?

18 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:28:15am

re: #17 FemNaziBitch

LBJ?

LBJ was a Democrat.

19 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:28:58am

re: #18 Pie-onist Overlord

LBJ was a Democrat.

oh, I missed the Party part.

need . moar . coffee

20 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:29:00am

re: #14 b.d.

Don’t be silly; starving them to death and denying the vote shows our Christian love for African-Americans.

/GOP

21 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:29:27am

re: #14 b.d.

Can the Republicans please just come out with >ONE example of being on the side of African Americans since Ronald Reagan was president?

Bush had two black Secretaries of State! And one of them was a woman!!!

22 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:29:30am

re: #6 freetoken

Limpballs signed a 3 yr deal with Cumulus last year, They love some RWNJ radio hosts.

23 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:29:37am

Eisenhower seemed to be a pretty good guy.

I liked his house, anyway.

24 Kragar  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:30:13am

The GOP is not racist, as long as you make sure you only choose examples over 100 years old.

25 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:30:46am

re: #23 FemNaziBitch

Eisenhower seemed to be a pretty good guy.

I liked his house, anyway.

Ike was ahead of his time in a lot of ways. If he were running today, he’d likely be a Democrat. Or sharing the “RINO” label.

26 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:30:47am

re: #23 FemNaziBitch

Eisenhower seemed to be a pretty good guy.

I liked his house, anyway.

From a different era, entirely. He fought fascism, didn’t try to breed it like so many who call themselves Republicans today.

27 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:31:02am

NOw I have the hockey goalie pizza cutter in the ad bloc on my screen.

28 Gus  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:32:55am

re: #26 Justanotherhuman

From a different era, entirely. He fought fascism, didn’t try to breed it like so many who call themselves Republicans today.

Also look at the way Republicans voted for the Clean Water Act in 1972.

29 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:33:19am

re: #26 Justanotherhuman

From a different era, entirely. He fought fascism, didn’t try to breed it like so many who call themselves Republicans today.

Yeah, I’ve read enough Sci-Fi dystopian novels of a corporate run planet to see things could be.

Yet, as it stands, corporations are the only trans-national entities and they know how to capitalize on that. Unfortunately, I can see a possible future —and it is fascist.

30 Zamb  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:33:52am

re: #14 b.d.

Tax cuts!!!!!!!

31 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:34:11am

Hey “Proud Conservative” the Waltons & the Koch’s lose more than that every day in their sofa cushions.

32 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:34:28am

re: #29 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I’ve read enough Sci-Fi dystopian novels of a corporate run planet to see things could be.

Yet, as it stands, corporations are the only trans-national entities and they know how to capitalize on that. Unfortunately, I can see a possible future —and it is fascist.

NO, fascist is not the right word. I can’t think of the type of system —Capitalist in economic system —ahhhh

need . moar . coffee

33 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:36:00am

re: #28 Gus

Also look at the way Republicans voted for the Clean Water Act in 1972.

I can’t believe for a second that, if the CWA came up for a vote today, it would pass with majority Republican approval. They’re a party so beholden today to business interests that you’d have them lining up to scream that the government has no business getting into something that should obviously be the job of the states.

34 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:37:06am

WTFITS

35 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:37:52am

Remember when hunters and the like used to care about the state of the environment?

My Dad was all over that stuff. He participated (with his fishing club) water studies and stream monitoring (the worked with the university, IIRC.

I’d say he was an Eisenhower/Cold War Republican.

36 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:38:53am

the 71 year-old Republican sent the email

frankly, i have no better reaction to offer to this trash than, simply, he can stick it where the sun don’t shine

37 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:40:10am

re: #34 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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So it’s the West, Texas bit again: “We only store it, not manufacture it, so we can’t be held liable if something happens!”

38 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:40:45am

re: #23 FemNaziBitch

Eisenhower seemed to be a pretty good guy.

I liked his house, anyway.

actually, the story is that when people started telling eisenhower (“iron-hewer”) that he should run for president, he had to make a decision as to whether he was a republican or a democrat

but in any case republicans were different then…

39 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:40:54am

The only thing rivaling that email for offensive content was the Peanuts derivative. Charles M. Schultz created the character of Franklin and named him after one of the Founders specifically to oppose the views of assholes like the one who drew that piece of garbage!

40 Gus  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:41:11am

re: #34 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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Misinformation.

41 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:41:23am

re: #38 dog philosopher

actually, the story is that when people started telling eisenhower (“iron-hewer”) that he should run for president, he had to make a decision as to whether he was a republican or a democrat

but in any case republicans were different then…

Like Colin Powell ?

42 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:41:41am

re: #25 Targetpractice

Ike was ahead of his time in a lot of ways. If he were running today, he’d likely be a Democrat. Or sharing the “RINO” label.

RWNJs hate them some Eisenhower, after all, he stepped all over states rights by sending troops into Little Rock when the schools were desegregated against the express wishes of the local citizens and the Governor.

RBS

43 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:42:41am

re: #42 RealityBasedSteve

RWNJs hate them some Eisenhower, after all, he stepped all over states rights by sending troops into Little Rock when the schools were desegregated against the express wishes of the local citizens and the Governor.

RBS

Eisenhower seemed to know right from wrong. Without any modifiers, ands, buts, or, ors.

44 Slap  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:43:13am

re: #13 FemNaziBitch

I get where your frustration comes from; however, my late mother grew up Southern, white, and poor as hell — and the phrase “white trash” was as painful and humiliating to her as any non-white racial slur. I’d love for that phrase to be just dropped from discourse.

I prefer the phrase, “willfully ignorant redneck swine”, to describe the group to which you refer.

Nit-picky, I know…

Regardless, I still love your posts…..

45 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:43:14am

re: #35 FemNaziBitch

Remember when hunters and the like used to care about the state of the environment?

My Dad was all over that stuff. He participated (with his fishing club) water studies and stream monitoring (the worked with the university, IIRC.

I’d say he was an Eisenhower/Cold War Republican.

Many of them still do. But the ‘distant’ nature of global warming, combined with sometimes-shrill environmentalism attacks on hunting makes hunters unlikely to vote for ‘environmentalist’ candidates.

46 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:43:57am

re: #43 FemNaziBitch

Eisenhower seemed to know right from wrong. Without any modifiers, ands, buts, or, ors.

Tax rate on the 1% was 90% during Ike’s administration.

Kennedy started the tax cuts ball rolling.

47 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:44:38am

re: #44 Slap

I get where your frustration comes from; however, my late mother grew up Southern, white, and poor as hell — and the phrase “white trash” was as painful and humiliating to her as any non-white racial slur. I’d love for that phrase to be just dropped from discourse.

I prefer the phrase, “willfully ignorant redneck swine”, to describe the group to which you refer.

Nit-picky, I know…

Regardless, I still love your posts…..

hmmm, I didn’t realize that.

48 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:45:55am

re: #46 Pie-onist Overlord

Tax rate on the 1% was 90% during Ike’s administration.

Kennedy started the tax cuts ball rolling.

To be fair, back when Kennedy did it, it made sense. America still consumed the majority of what it produced, China was still closed off to Western business, and India was still a backwater that hadn’t yet begun to really industrialize. Back then, the argument that cutting taxes to drive up investment in domestic manufacturing made a bit of sense.

Now? Now cutting taxes just means the guys who are shipping jobs off to China have more money to stuff in their Caymen Islands bank account.

49 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:46:12am

re: #46 Pie-onist Overlord

From 90% to 70%.

50 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:46:55am

If the Waltons paid 90% tax, how much would they have left?

51 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:48:41am

re: #43 FemNaziBitch

Eisenhower seemed to know right from wrong. Without any modifiers, ands, buts, or, ors.

and doesn’t that just say it all!

52 geoffm33  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:49:11am

re: #12 lawhawk

Sorry, but it isn’t the name of the political party, but where these folks are located. GOP or Democrat, it’s those located in the South that opposed desegregation. They opposed the ending of slavery. And they’re opposing equal rights for minorities to this day.

But trying to claim that just because one political party 100+ years ago ended slavery doesn’t mean we should ignore what they’ve done since. Or now. Because it would go against what Lincoln stood for.

When you break down the civil rights voting on geography, the key constant is support/opposition by region - not party affiliation.

I think Gus created a series of “blackboard data” gifs about the voting breakdown of the CRA. Gus, you have those handy?

53 sagehen  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:49:13am

re: #9 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR
Oh and look at this guy’s Twitter illustration on the top left of his home page.

[Embedded content]

Southerners, that’s who.

Southern conservatives, to be more specific.

fixt.

54 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:49:40am

When you upload images, the popup that lets you set the caption now also includes a field where you can enter tags for the image. I suddenly realized that option should be available right at the time of uploading, instead of making you go into the Image Library to enter them.

55 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:50:10am

re: #54 Charles Johnson

When you upload images, the popup that lets you set the caption now also includes a field where you can enter tags for the image. I suddenly realized that option should be available right at the time of uploading, instead of making you go into the Image Library to enter them.

You are such a Guru!

56 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:50:12am

re: #50 FemNaziBitch

If the Waltons paid 90% tax, how much would they have left?

wiksterpedia:

Collectively, the Waltons own over 50% of the company, and are worth a combined total of $150 billion

57 Gus  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:51:13am

re: #52 geoffm33

I think Gus created a series of “blackboard data” gifs about the voting breakdown of the CRA. Gus, you have those handy?

Yeah. I’m on my Virginmobile connx now and don’t want to browse for them in the image library nor upload. Alouette should have those.

58 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:51:15am

re: #50 FemNaziBitch

Annual income versus accumulated income. They’d still be billionaires accumulating more wealth. It would just slow down their rate of accumulation - but only by a bit. Most of their wealth comes from investment, not actual earned salary.

Investment income is treated differently than earned income (which is what most people live off of). Investment income - long term investment income - capital gains, is treated at a lower income tax rate than what most people pay (15%).

The Waltons would do well no matter what the ultimate tax rate is on the top tax bracket.

59 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:51:22am

re: #56 dog philosopher

wiksterpedia:

Collectively, the Waltons own over 50% of the company, and are worth a combined total of $150 billion

So, if they paid 90% on their annual income, their take home would be … .

That’s not counting tax on capital gains.

How many actually get a paycheck?

60 AntonSirius  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:52:15am

re: #10 erik_t

I thought a gun in the classroom was a good, safe, wonderful thing now.

It’s so hard to keep up with the rebranding.

I’m glad to see Bob Carleton standing up for the right of all the Eboneesha Hernandezes out there to carry guns wherever they damn well please, as that makes it much easier to shoot them and then claim self-defense.

That’s what I inferred from his “joke”, anyway.

61 Gus  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:52:17am

bbl

62 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:53:07am

re: #58 lawhawk

Annual income versus accumulated income. They’d still be billionaires accumulating more wealth. It would just slow down their rate of accumulation - but only by a bit. Most of their wealth comes from investment, not actual earned salary.

Investment income is treated differently than earned income (which is what most people live off of). Investment income - long term investment income - capital gains, is treated at a lower income tax rate than what most people pay (15%).

The Waltons would do well no matter what the ultimate tax rate is on the top tax bracket.

And that’s what is ultimately leading to the explosive accumulation of wealth in this country, the taxing of unearned income at a ridiculously lower effective rate than earned income. We have created a tax code in this nation that effectively penalizes people for working for a living.

63 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:53:08am

He shouldn’t be sorry. He’s an accurate representation of the right these days. Let it all come out for all to see.

64 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:53:13am

re: #58 lawhawk

Annual income versus accumulated income. They’d still be billionaires accumulating more wealth. It would just slow down their rate of accumulation - but only by a bit. Most of their wealth comes from investment, not actual earned salary.

Investment income is treated differently than earned income (which is what most people live off of). Investment income - long term investment income - capital gains, is treated at a lower income tax rate than what most people pay (15%).

The Waltons would do well no matter what the ultimate tax rate is on the top tax bracket.

Yes, I’m just trying to put it in perspective. How many of them actually get a paycheck and how much of that would be left after taxes?

The capital gains are a separate issue. I have a feeling a lot of the investment income isn’t even in the US. Obama has been working to solve the reporting issues on “hidden” money.

65 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:54:27am

re: #64 FemNaziBitch

Yes, I’m just trying to put it in perspective. How many of them actually get a paycheck and how much of that would be left after taxes?

The capital gains are a separate issue. I have a feeling a lot of the investment income isn’t even in the US. Obama has been working to solve the reporting issues on “hidden” money.

Actually, if they have business interests outside the US, they could also have “paychecks” from those businesses. China, etc.

66 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:54:50am

The GOP had a chance to come down on party members who make public comments like that, but they were afraid of being booed at town hall meetings, and as a result, initiated a race to the bottom of the barrel.

67 geoffm33  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:55:01am

Thanks Gus….here it is:

From: The Civil Rights Act, MLK, and the GOP “Southern Strategy” Part II: The Denial

68 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:55:25am

re: #50 FemNaziBitch

If the Waltons paid 90% tax, how much would they have left?

HURR HURR THEY WOULD HAVE TO LAYOFF ALL THERE WORKERS!!!!11!!11 NO MOAR JRRBZ!!!!111!!!!

69 Kragar  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:56:32am
70 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:56:46am

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

The GOP had a chance to come down on party members who make public comments like that, but they were afraid of being booed at town hall meetings, and as a result, initiated a race to the bottom of the barrel.

And why? Because they were told that they had nothing to be ashamed of, that a lot of people didn’t see what they said/did as racist, and criticizing such was only to appease liberals and the “liberal media.” That they had to stand up for those folks and their “freedom of speech,” not join in the calls for them to be silenced.

71 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:57:04am

re: #67 geoffm33

Thanks Gus….here it is:

[Embedded image]

From: The Civil Rights Act, MLK, and the GOP “Southern Strategy” Part II: The Denial

Excellent graphic quality, Gus. I”m impressed with the eraser marks on the blackboard!

72 sagehen  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:57:23am

re: #16 Pie-onist Overlord

The last Republican President to be in favor of Civil Rights was Eisenhower.

Nixon ran on Civil Rights in 1960. See this awesome ad:

Youtube Video

Then LBJ/Dems grabbed the civil rights baton, got the bills passed that meant they’d foreever get all the credit and no R was going to get any votes out of a “me-too”, so he did a 180 and went with the southern strategy in 68. But Affirmative Action was his administration’s initiative.

73 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:57:50am

re: #67 geoffm33

Thanks Gus….here it is:

[Embedded image]

From: The Civil Rights Act, MLK, and the GOP “Southern Strategy” Part II: The Denial

What font is that?

74 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:59:03am

re: #64 FemNaziBitch

Yes, I’m just trying to put it in perspective. How many of them actually get a paycheck and how much of that would be left after taxes?

The capital gains are a separate issue. I have a feeling a lot of the investment income isn’t even in the US. Obama has been working to solve the reporting issues on “hidden” money.

But most of that kind of “hidden” income isn’t in Swiss banks anymore as it was traditionally; it’s in offshore accounts. The Swiss weren’t exactly as adverse to the idea of removing banking anonymity from being a “tax haven” like some of the Caribbean countries will be, some of which get a lot of income themselves from those post office drop “banks”.

75 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:59:16am

re: #72 sagehen

Nixon ran on Civil Rights in 1960. See this awesome ad:

[Embedded content]

Then LBJ/Dems grabbed the civil rights baton, got the bills passed that meant they’d foreever get all the credit and no R was going to get any votes out of a “me-too”, so he did a 180 and went with the southern strategy in 68. But Affirmative Action was his administration’s initiative.

I really, really, want the whole world to read Robert Caro’s series on LBJ. How LBJ stole the CRA from Nixon was a beautiful thing to learn about. Master Politician tactics and strategy.

76 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:59:55am

re: #59 FemNaziBitch

So, if they paid 90% on their annual income, their take home would be … .

That’s not counting tax on capital gains.

How many actually get a paycheck?

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the 90% figure the rate paid on income at the very top of the scale. Isn’t income below that taxed at a lower rate, so the effective tax rate for the 1% in 1960 was actually closer to 50%?

RBS

77 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:00:06pm

re: #74 Justanotherhuman

But most of that kind of “hidden” income isn’t in Swiss banks anymore as it was traditionally; it’s in offshore accounts. The Swiss weren’t exactly as adverse to the idea of removing banking anonymity from being a “tax haven” like some of the Caribbean countries will be, some of which get a lot of income themselves from those post office drop “banks”.

Yeah, I think I read they finally got the treaty signed with the Caymans. I was keeping up on it until Februrary 12, 2012. My whole life changed on that day, as you all know.

78 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:00:41pm

re: #76 RealityBasedSteve

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the 90% figure the rate paid on income at the very top of the scale. Isn’t income below that taxed at a lower rate, so the effective tax rate for the 1% in 1960 was actually closer to 50%?

RBS

Aw, hell, I wasn’t filling in tax forms back then. I have no idea.

79 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:00:49pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

And why? Because they were told that they had nothing to be ashamed of, that a lot of people didn’t see what they said/did as racist, and criticizing such was only to appease liberals and the “liberal media.” That they had to stand up for those folks and their “freedom of speech,” not join in the calls for them to be silenced.

It is not a matter of “silencing”, that is just how they whine when they are taken to task for their utterances.

80 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:01:43pm
81 Kragar  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:01:50pm
82 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:01:54pm

re: #77 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I think I read they finally got the treaty signed with the Caymans. I was keeping up on it until Februrary 12, 2012. My whole life changed on that day, as you all know.

I’m sheltering all my money in a Cartman Bank.

Bank of Cartman

RBS

83 Joanne  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:02:12pm

re: #50 FemNaziBitch

If the Waltons paid 90% tax, how much would they have left?

More than I will make in my entire lifetime?

84 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:02:33pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

I don’t like chimeras, they distub me greatly…

85 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:03:05pm

re: #75 FemNaziBitch

I really, really, want the whole world to read Robert Caro’s series on LBJ. How LBJ stole the CRA from Nixon was a beautiful thing to learn about. Master Politician tactics and strategy.

I myself wonder if things would have been better if Nixon had won in 1960. Nixon might never have done that ‘pivot’. The Cuban Missile Crisis also likely would never have happened, since Khrushchev already knew he couldn’t bully Nixon.

86 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:03:20pm

This organization has a lot of the skinny on the off-shore money.

87 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:03:25pm

re: #83 Joanne

More than I will make in my entire lifetime?

Not if you were a Galapagos tortoise, or maybe a redwood tree.

RBS

88 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:03:29pm

re: #83 Joanne

More than I will make in my entire lifetime?

More than you will make in 1M lifetimes, no doubt.

89 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:05:31pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

I myself wonder if things would have been better if Nixon had won in 1960. Nixon might never have done that ‘pivot’. The Cuban Missile Crisis also likely would never have happened, since Khrushchev already knew he couldn’t bully Nixon.

Or it could have ended instead in nuclear war, with Nixon refusing to back down to the point that the proposal to quietly dismantle the Jupiter rockets in Turkey would have been a bridge too far.

90 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:05:32pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

I myself wonder if things would have been better if Nixon had won in 1960. Nixon might never have done that ‘pivot’. The Cuban Missile Crisis also likely would never have happened, since Khrushchev already knew he couldn’t bully Nixon.

Then we wouldn’t have had LBJ.

After reading Caro’s work, I’ve come to understand that sometimes things happen as they should—perhaps not to everyone’s liking. Path To Power was actually the book that helped me to see that.

91 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:05:46pm

HURR HURR CREATIVE PROPERTY, COPYRIGHTS & REGISTERED TRADEMARKS IS A COMMUNIST PLOT!!!!1111

92 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:06:12pm

re: #83 Joanne

More than I will make in my entire lifetime?

Probably, yet seeing it in numbers is somehow easier for me to grasp.

94 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:07:15pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR CREATIVE PROPERTY, COPYRIGHTS & REGISTERED TRADEMARKS IS A COMMUNIST PLOT!!!!1111

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I made a Bumper Sticker with those words —pink. let me see if it’s in the image library. Don’t Tread on Me

yep, it is.

95 Joanne  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:07:16pm

re: #88 Justanotherhuman

More than you will make in 1M lifetimes, no doubt.

I feel so much better now. Thanks!

/

96 Kragar  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:07:56pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR CREATIVE PROPERTY, COPYRIGHTS & REGISTERED TRADEMARKS IS A COMMUNIST PLOT!!!!1111

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They choose an assassin as their mascot?

97 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:08:00pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR CREATIVE PROPERTY, COPYRIGHTS & REGISTERED TRADEMARKS IS A COMMUNIST PLOT!!!!1111

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If I could say anything en masse to these wingnut wackos, it would be the following:

98 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:08:13pm

re: #94 FemNaziBitch

I made a Bumper Sticker with those words —pink. let me see if it’s in the image library. Don’t Tread on Me

yep, it is.

I think it’s still for sale in the Cafe Press store. Haven’t logged on in a while.

99 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:08:19pm

re: #95 Joanne

I feel so much better now. Thanks!

/

Just trying to put it in perspective. : )

100 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:08:35pm

re: #76 RealityBasedSteve

It works the same way today. You pay the percentage amount for each bracket. 10%, 20% etc. And only pay the top bracket on the amount over the bracket.

For instance, in the 2013 tax year, the top tax bracket is 39.6% on amounts over $450,000. You only pay that top tax bracket on each dollar over $450,000. You would pay the lower rates on each dollar up to $450,000. In other words, you pay the 28% on amounts in that bracket range; 33% on amounts in that bracket range; 35% on amounts in that bracket range. Your effective tax rate is lower than your highest tax bracket rate.

101 Joanne  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:08:41pm

re: #93 GlutenFreeJesus

What’s the 2nd one from the top. Ivory handle? That’s a gorgeous knife.

102 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:08:44pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR CREATIVE PROPERTY, COPYRIGHTS & REGISTERED TRADEMARKS IS A COMMUNIST PLOT!!!!1111

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How fitting, stealing a picture from a game that left most fans of the franchise feeling the same way most folks feel about Tea Party: Past its prime, full of retreads, and padded to death to justify the extra cost.

103 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:08:58pm

re: #94 FemNaziBitch

I made a Bumper Sticker with those words —pink. let me see if it’s in the image library. Don’t Tread on Me

yep, it is.

Linda Foster is using a graphic from Ubisoft’s game Assassin’s Creed. Somehow I don’t think she asked for permission before she used it.

104 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:09:54pm

re: #93 GlutenFreeJesus

But is it Hattori Hanzo steel? /

105 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:09:55pm

re: #101 Joanne

What’s the 2nd one from the top. Ivory handle? That’s a gorgeous knife.

Abalone. And it cost me. lol Don’t use that one much, obviously, but it’s my fave!

106 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:09:57pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR CREATIVE PROPERTY, COPYRIGHTS & REGISTERED TRADEMARKS IS A COMMUNIST PLOT!!!!1111

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What is that round, tumor-like protrusion? Ewwww.

The thing looks like death warmed over.

107 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:10:07pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

Or it could have ended instead in nuclear war, with Nixon refusing to back down to the point that the proposal to quietly dismantle the Jupiter rockets in Turkey would have been a bridge too far.

Well you can game that out several ways, some leading to a better outcome, others ending in war.

108 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:10:24pm

re: #104 lawhawk

But is it Hattori Hanzo steel? /

I have a big rat.

RBS

109 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:10:51pm

re: #104 lawhawk

But is it Hattori Hanzo steel? /

lol The guy is a descendant actually. But very distant. Still!

110 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:10:53pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR CREATIVE PROPERTY, COPYRIGHTS & REGISTERED TRADEMARKS IS A COMMUNIST PLOT!!!!1111

Do you think the Gov’s doing a good job? no? then join us at usfreedomarmy.com pic.twitter.com/IWBr8EfZ8q #tgdn #lnyhbt #tcot #TeaParty

And piss and moan about how they stole the election by offering free stuff

111 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:11:29pm

re: #104 lawhawk

But is it Hattori Hanzo steel? /

or Valerian Steel?

112 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:11:50pm

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

What is that round, tumor-like protrusion? Ewwww.

The thing looks like death warmed over.

That is an Assassin’s Creed character in an action pose, that “round tumor-like thing” is supposed to be a bent knee.

113 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:12:28pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

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If evolution were true, you’d expect there to be dolphidogs. Checkmate, evolutionists!

114 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:12:34pm

re: #111 FemNaziBitch

or Valerian Steel?

Unobtanium!

115 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:12:36pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Well you can game that out several ways, some leading to a better outcome, others ending in war.

Nixon doesn’t really strike me as the kinda guy who would have backed down in the same scenario. He and Khrushchev were of the same mind, bullies with overblown egos who looked for signs of weakness in others to exploit.

116 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:13:02pm

re: #112 Pie-onist Overlord

That is an Assassin’s Creed character in an action pose, that “round tumor-like thing” is supposed to be a bent knee.

Reminds me of Little Mermaid and the boner scene. lol

117 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:13:05pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR CREATIVE PROPERTY, COPYRIGHTS & REGISTERED TRADEMARKS IS A COMMUNIST PLOT!!!!1111

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Well, you can’t steal EVERYTHING from Bioshock.

RBS

118 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:13:51pm

re: #117 RealityBasedSteve

Well, you can’t steal EVERYTHING from Bioshock.

RBS

Or Fallout.

119 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:15:37pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

Or Fallout.

Wait, sorry, thinking about a different group of fundamentalist morons.

120 sagehen  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:15:50pm

re: #46 Pie-onist Overlord

Tax rate on the 1% was 90% during Ike’s administration.

Kennedy started the tax cuts ball rolling.

Nobody actually paid 90%; they poured the money into tax-free foundations, which made grants, and… nobody minded, that was just as good as taxes, it got the money back out into circulation and did just as much for the economy, which is the whole point of not letting people pile it up.

Just like Carnegie “beat” the inheritance tax by building enough libraries and universities to not have any estate left when he died. Nobody called that a dodge, we admired that he’d found a useful way to put that money to public use.

121 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:16:11pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

Nixon doesn’t really strike me as the kinda guy who would have backed down in the same scenario. He and Khrushchev were of the same mind, bullies with overblown egos who looked for signs of weakness in others to exploit.

What I was saying is that Khrushchev had already faced off with Nixon in the ‘Kitchen Debate’ and he would have known Nixon was unlikely to be pushed around, whereas a shaky performance at a summit had convinced Khrushchev he could in fact bully Kennedy.

122 Joanne  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:17:33pm

re: #105 GlutenFreeJesus

Abalone. And it cost me. lol Don’t use that one much, obviously, but it’s my fave!

I bet. It’s suitable for framing if you ask me.

123 sagehen  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:18:00pm

Nixon wasn’t always a bully; losing in 1960 to questionable Chicago vote counts, then losing CA Gov in 1962, broke something in him.

124 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:18:07pm

re: #120 sagehen

Nobody actually paid 90%; they poured the money into tax-free foundations, which made grants, and… nobody minded, that was just as good as taxes, it got the money back out into circulation and did just as much for the economy, which is the whole point of not letting people pile it up.

Just like Carnegie “beat” the inheritance tax by building enough libraries and universities to not have any estate left when he died. Nobody called that a dodge, we admired that he’d found a useful way to put that money to public use.

There were also more types of domestic tax shelter in those days, too. When Kennedy cut the tax rates he also eliminated a number of shelters and deductions. So there was some balance out in his tax cut.

125 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:18:09pm

Followup on that shooting in FL. You won’t believe over what…the male of the couple shot has died.

Two shot after dispute over noise in theater

Read more: myfoxtampabay.com
Follow us: @myfoxtampabay on Twitter | FOX13TampaBay on Facebook

126 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:18:30pm

re: #120 sagehen

Nobody actually paid 90%; they poured the money into tax-free foundations, which made grants, and… nobody minded, that was just as good as taxes, it got the money back out into circulation and did just as much for the economy, which is the whole point of not letting people pile it up.

Just like Carnegie “beat” the inheritance tax by building enough libraries and universities to not have any estate left when he died. Nobody called that a dodge, we admired that he’d found a useful way to put that money to public use.

The Waltons create fake “Foundations” which just funnel the money back to themselves.

127 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:19:16pm

re: #122 Joanne

I bet. It’s suitable for framing if you ask me.

Definitely. At first, I was afraid to use it, but that didn’t last long. ;)

128 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:19:30pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

What I was saying is that Khrushchev had already faced off with Nixon in the ‘Kitchen Debate’ and he would have known Nixon was unlikely to be pushed around, whereas a shaky performance at a summit had convinced Khrushchev he could in fact bully Kennedy.

It’s plausible that Khrushchev might not have gone toe to toe in such a fashion. It’s likewise possible that the two might have butted heads in some other way, one that would have been less conducive to a negotiated settlement. Hell, it’s very plausible that Nixon would have gone ahead with the Bay of Pigs invasion with massive military support, such that we’d have retaken Cuba but done so in a way as to embolden the Soviets to stage their own invasion elsewhere.

Thing about alternate timelines is that you can only speculate so far before you’re effectively pulling things out of your ass.

129 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:19:48pm

re: #123 sagehen

Nixon wasn’t always a bully; losing in 1960 to questionable Chicago vote counts, then losing CA Gov in 1962, broke something in him.

He felt the Democrats had screwed him in 1960, so he felt fine in screwing them in return. The problem with that was that the people he sent to do some of the screwing got caught.

130 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:21:15pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

It’s plausible that Khrushchev might not have gone toe to toe in such a fashion. It’s likewise possible that the two might have butted heads in some other way, one that would have been less conducive to a negotiated settlement. Hell, it’s very plausible that Nixon would have gone ahead with the Bay of Pigs invasion with massive military support, such that we’d have retaken Cuba but done so in a way as to embolden the Soviets to stage their own invasion elsewhere.

Thing about alternate timelines is that you can only speculate so far before you’re effectively pulling things out of your ass.

Well, I’m not one for pulling things out of my ass. I tend to leave that to the liberals. ;)

131 erik_t  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:21:37pm

re: #125 Justanotherhuman

Followup on that shooting in FL. You won’t believe over what…the male of the couple shot has died.

Two shot after dispute over noise in theater

Well I hope they were at least courteous enough to use a suppressor.

132 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:22:52pm

re: #125 Justanotherhuman

Followup on that shooting in FL. You won’t believe over what…the male of the couple shot has died.

Two shot after dispute over noise in theater

Read more: myfoxtampabay.com
Follow us: @myfoxtampabay on Twitter | FOX13TampaBay on Facebook

“An armed society is a polite society.”

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133 Ian G.  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:24:44pm

I would like to be shocked by this “joke” by the cretin from Ohio, but how can I be? I’d wager that the majority of Tea Party people think exactly like this.

134 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:28:27pm

OH HAI RAND PAUL.

135 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:29:23pm

Back to the original thread, I had commented on this when it was posted over in the sidebar earlier… How could one NOT think that was offensive on about 27 different layers?

RBS

136 dog philosopher  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:30:09pm

nixon had his virtues and accomplishments as president, i wouldn’t want to take those away from him, but i think he was always a deeply traumatized and neurotic human being and not really psychologically fit to be president of the united states

137 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:30:11pm

Reid changes his stance from last week, damn it.
Other “relevant” Republican amendments may be heard and voted on.

Reid: No ObamaCare amendments on unemployment bill

thehill.com

138 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:30:23pm
139 Ian G.  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:31:47pm

re: #134 Pie-onist Overlord

OH HAI RAND PAUL.

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You appear to be under the mistaken impression that Rand Paul works to better the lives of his constituents in the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Wrong. He represents every internet revolutionary looking to bring the Randian Utopia to the masses. People who have their food stamps cut? You know what they say about eggs and a omelet.

140 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:32:03pm

Just made four dr appts, the flex spending account is nearly depleted for 2014. HA!

141 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:32:08pm

re: #137 Justanotherhuman

Reid changes his stance from last week, damn it.
Other “relevant” Republican amendments may be heard and voted on.

Reid: No ObamaCare amendments on unemployment bill

thehill.com

I’m willing to at least see what they have to offer, but if they’re like Ayotte’s BS, then it’s just Republicans wasting time.

142 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:32:29pm

re: #135 RealityBasedSteve

Back to the original thread, I had commented on this when it was posted over in the sidebar earlier… How could one NOT think that was offensive on about 27 different layers?

RBS

Some people who aren’t black like making fun of black people. (The vast majority of such people are white, but there are some exceptions.) This is always paired with racism of varying degree, though the racism is always enough so that the person who likes that kind of ‘joke’ sees nothing wrong in dehumanizing black people.

143 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:34:12pm

re: #134 Pie-onist Overlord

OH HAI RAND PAUL.

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Those people could use some more education, too.

“Rogers said the program is needed in eastern Kentucky, but is also badly in need of reforms to keep “scammers, lottery winners, gamblers and others who may be able to work” out of the program. Rogers won re-election in 2012 with 84 percent of the vote.”

What work? Stupid Republicans.

144 aagcobb  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:35:17pm

re: #76 RealityBasedSteve

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the 90% figure the rate paid on income at the very top of the scale. Isn’t income below that taxed at a lower rate, so the effective tax rate for the 1% in 1960 was actually closer to 50%?

RBS

Yes, the 90% rate would only apply to income earned in the highest tax bracket, not on every penny you earned.

145 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:36:00pm

re: #134 Pie-onist Overlord

OH HAI RAND PAUL.

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And there go the skyrocketing healthcare costs due to people not being able to afford real food.

146 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:36:07pm

WTFITS I just can’t even

147 Ian G.  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:36:22pm

re: #69 Kragar

I hope Kalashnikov is at peace now.

He seems to be yet another example of the “banality of evil”, in which an apparently decent man doing his job well nevertheless helped ensure the suffering of millions of people. It’s probably more common than any of us would like to admit.

148 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:36:46pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

“US Freedom Army”. Is this like a real soldier army with guns and drills and such or this one of those Internet fantasy armies?

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149 Ian G.  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:37:02pm

re: #146 Pie-onist Overlord

I don’t get it. Seriously.

150 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:37:18pm

re: #137 Justanotherhuman

Reid changes his stance from last week, damn it.
Other “relevant” Republican amendments may be heard and voted on.

Reid: No ObamaCare amendments on unemployment bill

thehill.com

If Reid wants the bill to pass, he knows he’s going to have to give Republicans something. So while he’s not going to pass something limiting or attacking Obamacare, he knows that he has to allow Republicans to put forward other amendments to offset the bill’s costs or the bill is going to die.

151 erik_t  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:37:46pm

re: #149 Ian G.

I don’t get it. Seriously.

I think it’s a birther “joke”, or something.

Who cares what shit is floating around in the sewer of Twitter?

152 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:38:10pm

re: #149 Ian G.

I don’t get it. Seriously.

Me neither.

153 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:38:13pm
154 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:38:51pm

re: #143 Justanotherhuman

Those people could use some more education, too.

“Rogers said the program is needed in eastern Kentucky, but is also badly in need of reforms to keep “scammers, lottery winners, gamblers and others who may be able to work” out of the program. Rogers won re-election in 2012 with 84 percent of the vote.”

What work? Stupid Republicans.

Lets see, the odds of actually WINNING a life-changing amount in the lottery is almost infinitesimally slim. The odds of it being somebody in KY who is on public assistance of some type is improbably slim. Infinitesimal X improbable = Not Worthy of Worry.

RBS

155 aagcobb  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:39:40pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

Or it could have ended instead in nuclear war, with Nixon refusing to back down to the point that the proposal to quietly dismantle the Jupiter rockets in Turkey would have been a bridge too far.

We don’t know, but in 1960 it was JFK running on the bellicose nonexistent gap between the Soviets’ nuclear forces and ours, and Nixon and Kissinger did make diplomatic breakthroughs with the Soviets and China. I don’t think Nixon would’ve started a nuclear war.

156 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:39:55pm

re: #149 Ian G.

I don’t get it. Seriously.

Pretty sure it has something to do with Clint Eastwood’s monologue at the RNC

157 Targetpractice  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:41:40pm

re: #155 aagcobb

We don’t know, but in 1960 it was JFK running on the bellicose nonexistent gap between the Soviets’ nuclear forces and ours, and Nixon and Kissinger did make diplomatic breakthroughs with the Soviets and China. I don’t think Nixon would’ve started a nuclear war.

Like I said, it’s hard to say. As noted, Nixon was a different man in 1960 than he was 12 years later.

158 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:42:09pm

Racism & Homophobia in One Wingnut Tweet!

159 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:42:48pm

Photo response to the knife discussion downstairs:

my kitchen ulu in its wooden storage stand

160 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:42:53pm

re: #154 RealityBasedSteve

Lets see, the odds of actually WINNING a life-changing amount in the lottery is almost infinitesimally slim. The odds of it being somebody in KY who is on public assistance of some type is improbably slim. Infinitesimal X improbable = Not Worthy of Worry.

RBS

That is a Republican member of the House saying that. A guy who has total disdain for the people he represents and they voted for him; he won with 84% of the vote.

“Cleda Turner, the director of Owsley County Outreach charitable organization, sees the poverty every day. The Outreach center packs food backpacks weekly for students identified by schools as being in need. The backpacks, which contain non-perishable foods such as peanut butter and boxed goods, are given out on Friday to ensure the children have food for the weekends.

“In the winter time there is always a greater need,” said Turner, a native of the county. “There’s a greater need for covers, like blankets and quilts. There’s more need for food because of the heat bills going so high.”

“Turner has spoken with families who have seen food stamps cut by $200 per month. In some cases, Turner said, senior citizens are being forced to decide between buying medication and paying for food. “

161 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:44:02pm

re: #154 RealityBasedSteve

Lets see, the odds of actually WINNING a life-changing amount in the lottery is almost infinitesimally slim. The odds of it being somebody in KY who is on public assistance of some type is improbably slim. Infinitesimal X improbable = Not Worthy of Worry.

RBS

Seriously. The amount of time and money they’re willing to spend, and the number of truly needy folks they’re willing to deprive, just to prevent a tiny percentage of potentially NOT-needy folks from getting benefits truly boggles the mind.

Their belief is that if it costs too much to prevent ALL benefits fraud, the solution is to kill the program, rather than accept a low, but non-zero level of fraud. And they don’t care about the recipients, because they should all get jobs as corporate VPs anyway.

At least, that’s what they appear to think since they say everyone who’s paid shit wages should just get better jobs, so I assume they believe there are enough better jobs for everyone.

162 Joanne  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:44:15pm

re: #149 Ian G.

I don’t get it. Seriously.

I think it is an extension of Clint Eastwood’s performance art at the GOP National Convention?

163 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:44:56pm

HURR HURR
In 1859, Black unemployment was virtually NIL.

164 aagcobb  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:45:12pm

re: #114 GlutenFreeJesus

Unobtanium!

Rich Corinthian Leather!

165 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:45:54pm

HURR HURR

166 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:46:17pm

re: #162 Joanne

I think it is an extension of Clint Eastwood’s performance art at the GOP National Convention?

Really? They want to remind folks about THAT? I’d have thought they’d want that particular event gone from the collective memory as soon as possible.

167 jaunte  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:46:51pm

Harrsassment!

168 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:47:03pm

re: #161 GeneJockey

Seriously. The amount of time and money they’re willing to spend, and the number of truly needy folks they’re willing to deprive, just to prevent a tiny percentage of potentially NOT-needy folks from getting benefits truly boggles the mind.

Their belief is that if it costs too much to prevent ALL benefits fraud, the solution is to kill the program, rather than accept a low, but non-zero level of fraud. And they don’t care about the recipients, because they should all get jobs as corporate VPs anyway.

At least, that’s what they appear to think since they say everyone who’s paid shit wages should just get better jobs, so I assume they believe there are enough better jobs for everyone.

That’s what the case is in Maine, after much study they found that the fraud rate was something like 2/10th of 1% of all transactions. There isn’t a system out there that is 100% perfect, but they love to grab these very minor things and blow them up. It plays well with the rubes.

RBS

169 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:48:19pm

re: #168 RealityBasedSteve

That’s what the case is in Maine, after much study they found that the fraud rate was something like 2/10th of 1% of all transactions. There isn’t a system out there that is 100% perfect, but they love to grab these very minor things and blow them up. It plays well with the rubes.

RBS

HURR HURR U CAN’T ALLOW SOME MASS SHOOTINGS TO INCONVENIENCE TEH RESPONSIBBL GUN OWNERZ!!!!! AND ALL TEH MASS SHOOTERS WAS ALL TEH LIBRULZ!!!!!!!

170 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:48:44pm

re: #168 RealityBasedSteve

That’s what the case is in Maine, after much study they found that the fraud rate was something like 2/10th of 1% of all transactions. There isn’t a system out there that is 100% perfect, but they love to grab these very minor things and blow them up. It plays well with the rubes.

RBS

When the data aren’t in your favor, you go with anecdotes. “2/10th of 1%” doesn’t resonate, but “Welfare Queens” does.

171 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:49:04pm

172 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:49:31pm

Further more, I’d like to see what the numbers are on most Military / Defense / Homeland Security contracts. I’m willing to bet that there is more than a 0.2% level of fraud, waste and abuse.

Oh wait, that’s different.

RBS

173 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:49:50pm

re: #169 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR U CAN’T ALLOW SOME MASS SHOOTINGS TO INCONVENIENCE TEH RESPONSIBBL GUN OWNERZ!!!!! AND ALL TEH MASS SHOOTERS WAS ALL TEH LIBRULZ!!!!!!!

Unless the shooter was a Conservative, in which case FALSE FLAG!!!

174 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:51:00pm

re: #146 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS I just can’t even

[Embedded content]

Isn’t it just a riff on the empty-chair Obama from the Republican convention?

175 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:51:50pm

The eternal war between the deciduous and the evergreen.

176 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:52:06pm

re: #172 RealityBasedSteve

Further more, I’d like to see what the numbers are on most Military / Defense / Homeland Security contracts. I’m willing to bet that there is more than a 0.2% level of fraud, waste and abuse.

Oh wait, that’s different.

RBS

HURR, HURR, HURR! $700 HAMMERS! $1 MILLION TOILETS!! GOVERNMENT SPENDING IS ALL WASTE!!!

Okay, how about we cut some of the fat from the defense budget?

LIBRULS WANT TO DISARM AMERICA!!!!!]

177 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:52:06pm

re: #173 GeneJockey

Unless the shooter was a Conservative, in which case FALSE FLAG!!!

Ah yes.. the great “Liberal Plant”, because after all, when we go to our Liberal Cabal meetings they are always looking for people to pretend they are conservatives and then at the last moment do something that will ruin their lives forever. Then we have cookies.

RBS

178 Joanne  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:53:28pm

re: #166 GeneJockey

Really? They want to remind folks about THAT? I’d have thought they’d want that particular event gone from the collective memory as soon as possible.

Logic from teabaggers?

179 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:53:41pm

WTFITS

180 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:53:50pm

re: #177 RealityBasedSteve

Ah yes.. the great “Liberal Plant”, because after all, when we go to our Liberal Cabal meetings they are always looking for people to pretend they are conservatives and then at the last moment do something that will ruin their lives forever. Then we have cookies.

RBS

But we don’t have milk with the cookies. Nope, we prefer the blood of the innocent!

181 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:55:41pm

re: #178 Joanne

Logic from teabaggers?

What was I thinking?

I remember following a Conservative thread at the time, where the initial reaction was “What the hell? Geez, I hope nobody saw that!” but gradually they convinced themselves it was effective political theater, and hard-hitting at that!

182 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:56:17pm

re: #168 RealityBasedSteve

That’s what the case is in Maine, after much study they found that the fraud rate was something like 2/10th of 1% of all transactions. There isn’t a system out there that is 100% perfect, but they love to grab these very minor things and blow them up. It plays well with the rubes.

RBS

The ghost of Reagan’s Welfare Queen still drives her Cadillac up and down the streets of every American city to this day…

183 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:56:28pm

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

[Embedded content]

That’s okay, though, because they’re not the Gummint.

184 Kragar  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:56:34pm

Tony Perkins thinks Gay rights are the most awesome thing ever, because if given the choice, the whole human race would become gay.

185 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:57:13pm

re: #183 GeneJockey

That’s okay, though, because they’re not the Gummint.

OnStar is a GM product.

186 erik_t  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:58:14pm

re: #184 Kragar

Tony Perkins thinks Gay rights are the most awesome thing ever, because if given the choice, the whole human race would become gay.

It’s rare that the self-hating-fear-closet is so visibly in evidence.

Tony, you’d be happier if you were honest with yourself and your loved ones about who you are.

187 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:58:39pm

Most vehicles are not equipped with built-in GPS, that is a $5000 option.

188 Joanne  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:58:44pm

re: #181 GeneJockey

I remember following a Conservative thread at the time, where the initial reaction was “What the hell? Geez, I hope nobody saw that!” but gradually they convinced themselves it was effective political theater, and hard-hitting at that!

Yup.

And, as I predicted, the baggers are coalescing around Christie because they loves them some retribution and dirty tricks.

mediaite.com

189 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:59:27pm

re: #170 GeneJockey

When the data aren’t in your favor, you go with anecdotes. “2/10th of 1%” doesn’t resonate, but “Welfare Queens” does.

Anecdotal information is the worst as far as arguments and facts, but the most influential.

I’m so tired of hearing, ” my brother’s neighbor … .”

190 aagcobb  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 12:59:34pm

re: #138 Pie-onist Overlord

[Embedded content]

Fascinating article; you should page this.

191 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:00:00pm

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

The ghost of Reagan’s Welfare Queen still drives her Cadillac up and down the streets of every American city to this day…

Apparently the Welfare Queen was a real woman, but welfare fraud was only one, and possibly the least of her many, many cons. She had married at least 5 different guys, and was so good at her game that she could appear to be anything from late 20s to late 40s at a time when she was 47.

Reagan deserves eternal shame for inserting her into the American political consciousness in the way he did. He made it seem like she was the norm, not an exceptionally gifted criminal.

192 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:00:11pm

re: #180 GeneJockey

But we don’t have milk with the cookies. Nope, we prefer the blood of the innocent!

NOT ME, I prefer Oreos!

193 Joanne  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:00:14pm

re: #185 Pie-onist Overlord

OnStar is a GM product.

Not to mention that every car now has an onboard computer which gives speeds, and any car with a GPS can track movements.

194 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:00:38pm

Owsley County: en.wikipedia.org,_Kentucky

“The median income for a household in the county was $15,805, which is the third lowest in the nation and the lowest among counties with a non-Hispanic white majority population*, and the median income for a family was $18,034. Males had a median income of $25,100 versus $18,203 for females. The per capita income for the county was $10,742. About 41.7% of families and 45.4% of the population were below the poverty line, including 56.3% of those under age 18 and 34.5% of those age 65 or over. [Owsley Co had 1,894 households]

“In 2009, government benefits accounted for 53.07% of personal income.[12]”

Comparatively speaking, this is as bad as some third world countries.

*The 2 lowest household income counties are

1 Kalawao County, Hawai’i (a former leper colony) $9,333 (115 households)
2 Buffalo County, South Dakota $12,692 (526 households)

The 4th lowest is Clay County, KY (8,556 households).

195 erik_t  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:00:40pm

re: #188 Joanne

And, as I predicted, the baggers are coalescing around Christie because they loves them some retribution and dirty tricks.

mediaite.com

They really honestly do define themselves by being anti-Other, don’t they?

I mean, honest to God, they have absolutely nothing else. It’s kind of stunning.

196 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:01:51pm

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

[Embedded content]

It’s clickbait: The youtube vid in question doesn’t have Fischer even talking about that ‘story’.

My Verdict: EPIC FAIL.

197 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:01:56pm

re: #184 Kragar

Tony Perkins thinks Gay rights are the most awesome thing ever, because if given the choice, the whole human race would become gay.

[Embedded content]

The Pain… Oh the Pain…

The Pain

RBS

198 erik_t  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:02:09pm

re: #195 erik_t

One conservative radio host I spoke with last week who had been suspicious of Christie in the past summed up this phenomenon succinctly when he told me that the Garden State governor is being attacked today by “all the right people.”

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

199 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:02:16pm

re: #184 Kragar

Tony Perkins thinks Gay rights are the most awesome thing ever, because if given the choice, the whole human race would become gay.

[Embedded content]

Because everyone has a big sekrit, just like Tony. We all, in the rescesses of our brains, really, really want to have gay sex. If we remove the social barriers, they everyone will spend their time in gay sex orgies and not making babies like God wants them too!

200 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:02:38pm

re: #195 erik_t

They really honestly do define themselves by being anti-Other, don’t they?

I mean, honest to God, they have absolutely nothing else. It’s kind of stunning.

And the circle of “non-other” is constantly shrinking, politically, socially, ethnically, religiously….

201 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:03:15pm

re: #191 GeneJockey

Apparently the Welfare Queen was a real woman, but welfare fraud was only one, and possibly the least of her many, many cons. She had married at least 5 different guys, and was so good at her game that she could appear to be anything from late 20s to late 40s at a time when she was 47.

Reagan deserves eternal shame for inserting her into the American political consciousness in the way he did. He made it seem like she was the norm, not an exceptionally gifted criminal.

GGT did a Page on her a while back. GGT, could you post a link to that Page?

202 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:03:41pm

re: #195 erik_t

They really honestly do define themselves by being anti-Other, don’t they?

I mean, honest to God, they have absolutely nothing else. It’s kind of stunning.

I know. It’s an ideology built around being the opposite of what they perceive their enemies to believe.

It’s one thing to ascribe to the other side beliefs that are the opposite of your own. It’s quite another to adopt beliefs that are the opposite of those you ascribe to the other side.

203 erik_t  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:04:31pm

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

And the circle of “non-other” is constantly shrinking, politically, socially, ethnically, religiously….

I present to you the Republican Party, circa 2035:

204 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:05:03pm
205 erik_t  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:05:04pm

re: #202 GeneJockey

It’s one thing to ascribe to the other side beliefs that are the opposite of your own. It’s quite another to adopt beliefs that are the opposite of those you ascribe to the other side.

This. This this this this.

206 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:05:35pm

Welfare Queen a/k/a Linda Taylor …

Really, a very sucessful grifter/con-artist. She scammed everyone, not just the government.

207 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:06:52pm

re: #204 Pie-onist Overlord

[Embedded content]

Because she is willfully scamming the system. With 8 kids and (honestly, I have to wonder about her IQ—ability to function in society and do things like Tax Math) I hope she has an advisors.

208 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:07:15pm

re: #199 FemNaziBitch

Because everyone has a big sekrit, just like Tony. We all, in the rescesses of our brains, really, really want to have gay sex. If we remove the social barriers, they everyone will spend their time in gay sex orgies and not making babies like God wants them too!

That is a lot of what is behind the writings of St Paul, a sadly repressed, self-loathing homosexual, and someone who greatly shaped the modern Christian view of sexuality.

209 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:07:49pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

GGT did a Page on her a while back. GGT, could you post a link to that Page?

It might have been how I got to the original article. One thing that popped up was that she’d been doing these cons for a LONG TIME, back into the 1950s, and had done some so big that she made the newspapers.

Sociopathy has certain…advantages. Most people would have been held back by conscience, or the fear of being caught, but not her!

210 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:07:51pm

re: #204 Pie-onist Overlord

[Embedded content]

Not surprising. Those poor 14 kids probably will go to foster care now.

211 gwangung  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:08:52pm

re: #206 FemNaziBitch

Welfare Queen a/k/a Linda Taylor …

Really, a very sucessful grifter/con-artist. She scammed everyone, not just the government.

Yeah, part of that Argument by Anecdote fallacy that plauges the wing nuts nowadays. Yeah, one person can scam the system…one person can scam corporations, too—-what does that mean for the system as a whole?

212 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:09:35pm

re: #208 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

That is a lot of what is behind the writings of St Paul, a sadly repressed, self-loathing homosexual, and someone who greatly shaped the modern Christian view of sexuality.

AUGUSTINE!

213 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:09:44pm

re: #187 Pie-onist Overlord

Most vehicles are not equipped with built-in GPS, that is a $5000 option.

Sat nav systems will have some form of tracking, as does OnStar (in GM), but there’s a black box for crash recording purposes that can be of use for law enforcement and insurance company purposes to determine speed and other vehicle function (brake/acceleration, etc.)

214 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:10:16pm

re: #207 FemNaziBitch

Because she is willfully scamming the system. With 8 kids and (honestly, I have to wonder about her IQ—ability to function in society and do things like Tax Math) I hope she has an advisors.

It’s not the IQ I’d think is the problem. It’s the connection to reality. Remember, she already HAD 6 kids when she went for 8 more!

215 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:11:37pm

re: #207 FemNaziBitch

Because she is willfully scamming the system. With 8 kids and (honestly, I have to wonder about her IQ—ability to function in society and do things like Tax Math) I hope she has an advisors.

She already had 6 kids when she did the in vitro for the 8 she wound up having and got (in)famous for.

216 darthstar  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:11:53pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

That’s just wrong.

217 Ian G.  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:12:01pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

The eternal war between the deciduous and the evergreen.

Makes me think of driving the Blue Ridge Parkway, and how the forest would change depending on elevation. Yes, even in North Carolina, when you get high enough up, the forest goes Spruce/Fir as if you were in Canada or Maine. Unfortunately, global warming might take care of those evergreen forests within a few decades….

218 GeneJockey  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:12:22pm

re: #211 gwangung

Yeah, part of that Argument by Anecdote fallacy that plauges the wing nuts nowadays. Yeah, one person can scam the system…one person can scam corporations, too—-what does that mean for the system as a whole?

One “Welfare Queen” means the whole welfare system is riddled with fraud, but all the corporate fraudsters were Lone Wolves, like all the mass shooters.

219 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:13:57pm

re: #214 GeneJockey

It’s not the IQ I’d think is the problem. It’s the connection to reality. Remember, she already HAD 6 kids when she went for 8 more!

Here is my own anecdotal information: People with high Emotional Intelligence tend to love and be good with kids, the sick and elderly. They are also not able to function well or navigate “adult” industries or areas very well —anything to do with money or science.

It’s a weird thing. They can think critically about many things, but only in that area. Why I think she falls into that category? Well, she had 8 kids at once and thought it was ok to do so. WTF?

Maybe it’s a long-term thinking problem. I don’t know.

I have a feeling she couldn’t figure out a long tax form for all the money in the world.

220 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:14:15pm

re: #215 Justanotherhuman

She already had 6 kids when she did the in vitro for the 8 she wound up having and got (in)famous for.

because the uterus is designed to be just like a clown car.

RBS

221 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:14:17pm

re: #218 GeneJockey

One “Welfare Queen” means the whole welfare system is riddled with fraud, but all the corporate fraudsters were Lone Wolves, like all the mass shooters.

Hey, one bad apple …

222 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:15:40pm
223 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:15:45pm

re: #209 GeneJockey

It might have been how I got to the original article. One thing that popped up was that she’d been doing these cons for a LONG TIME, back into the 1950s, and had done some so big that she made the newspapers.

Sociopathy has certain…advantages. Most people would have been held back by conscience, or the fear of being caught, but not her!

From what the article says, she likely got away with murder as well. Even re-reading it makes my skin crawl.

[heading upstairs]

224 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:16:05pm

re: #221 FemNaziBitch

Hey, one bad apple …

ruins Pie-onist Overlord’s handiwork?

RBS

225 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:20:26pm

re: #222 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

The case will be argued on Wednesday. Details of its history can be found here, and a summary of the underlying case can be found here.

226 aagcobb  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:20:55pm

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

The ghost of Reagan’s Welfare Queen still drives her Cadillac up and down the streets of every American city to this day…

She was real! here is her story.

227 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:28:13pm

Speaking of those in need —and stereotypes-

STEREOTYPES are not useful.

228 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:34:32pm

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

The case will be argued on Wednesday. Details of its history can be found here, and a summary of the underlying case can be found here.

This is a great of how the Cycle of Violence fucks-people-up. His wife bought the weapons she knew were going to be used for illegal purposes. I can hear it now, “Yeah bitch, you called the cops and now I can’t make money to feed you and your brats, you are going to be homeless and it’s you’re fault—is that what you want?!”

No, I don’t know that that is what happened in this case. I do know it is how so many domestic violence victims end up in prison.

It’s brainwashing. And it takes several attempts before the victim can become a survivor. I think the average is like 6-10 calls to the cops and stays in shelters before the victim is able to change their thinking from that of sheep to sheepdog.

229 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:38:52pm

re: #224 RealityBasedSteve

ruins Pie-onist Overlord’s handiwork?

RBS

Baba makes no bad pies!

230 Timothy Watson  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 1:44:12pm


Someone want to tell this mouth breather than the 15th Amendment didn’t guarantee the “right to vote for all” since the 19th Amendment wouldn’t be ratified for 50 years? And that doesn’t get into the need for enforcement acts, etc.

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

Good old Connor, who considered slavery the greatest moral failure for the country, not to mention the whole burning of Indian village thing.

231 whitebeach  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 2:22:12pm

littlegreenfootballs.com


Apparently the “election stolen in Chicago” is the myth that will live forever no matter what the facts are. Do the math: JFK won the electoral college by 303 votes to 219. Illinois had only 27 total electoral votes. JFK could have not received a single vote in Chicago or in the entire state and still would have won the presidency.

232 whitebeach  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 2:25:33pm

Oops, was attempting to link to sagehen at comment 123.

233 palomino  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 2:44:58pm

GOP logic: We’re not racist because of stuff that Republicans did 150 years ago. Nothing ever changes, and the Democrats—just like us—are EXACTLY the same as we were in the 1860’s.

Could anything be more stark evidence of a party in decay? They can only define themselves, and their adversaries, by distorting history and obsessing over a time two centuries back.

234 Dr. Matt  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 3:24:36pm

Here is a photo of the shooting victim and his wife:

235 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 6:24:57pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Hey, Charles. OT, but are you aware there is a formatting problem for blockquotes? At least, for me, using Chrome in Win7. Check this out:
margin of error, or error of margin?

Is this happening for anyone else?

236 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 6:28:29pm

re: #235 wheat-dogghazi

Nm. After I logged in to reply, the problem went away.

237 Roger S  Mon, Jan 13, 2014 6:52:33pm

Do they really think they fool people with this crap?

238 BusyMonster  Tue, Jan 14, 2014 10:33:16am

What I think is funny about this, especially with all of the flaming turdballs that are flying, everywhere, as Republicans spin to put the glaring racism of their party back on the opposition: they just don’t seem to comprehend that the people they need to convince are not themselves, and not the non-racist whites of this nation: they need to convince the actual minorities they say stupid, hateful, asshole things to that they’re not saying them.

Because I’m pretty sure those people aren’t fooled by a couple of dumb, fact-free, misleading diatribes on Twitter or Facebook.

They aren’t swallowing Fox News propaganda because they turn on Fox News and see a bunch of ugly people spewing stupidity, not news.

No, the growing demographic of not-white people do not hear the pitiful, ridiculous excuses Republicans make for their ever-filthier little secret that they’re just the biggest group of most-hateful racists in the nation, and anyone who isn’t a hate-filled racist is increasingly uncomfortable with the party. The cycle they are on is so self-destructive and it keeps speeding up. It’s like as each succeeding dumbass Republican gets rebuked for their racism, or bigotry, the next one behind them is more offensive … . for what possible reason I can’t figure out.

They just can’t keep their stupid, useless, utterly unimportant opinions to themselves, can they? And when they’re repeatedly told, “this opinion of yours, we don’t need it and don’t need to hear it,” they get so whiny. As if we are simply required to listen to this garbage … . ugh. I can’t think of anything more boring or depressing than hearing someone whine a load of nothing (because they know nothing), about people and places and things that aren’t their concern.


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