Guantanamo Judge Denies Obama’s Request

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The top judge of the Guantanamo military tribunals has denied Barack Obama’s request to freeze the military commissions.

“On its face, the request to delay the arraignment is not reasonable,” the judge, Army Col. James Pohl, wrote in his three-page ruling denying a prosecution request to delay Nashiri’s first court appearance.

Pentagon prosecutors filed identical delay requests soon after Obama took office, arguing that the commander-in-chief needed a 120-day suspension in war court hearings to give the new administration time to study the process.

Other war court judges, including the Army colonel presiding at the trial of the accused plotters of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, agreed to the delay.

But Pohl said he would not accede to the request. “The public interest in a speedy trial will be harmed by the delay in the arraignment,” he wrote.

He also noted that nothing would take place at the arraignment that would prevent Obama from taking other steps to stop the trial and that under the 2006 Military Commissions Act, it was up to a judge to grant any delay. “The commission is bound by the law as it currently exists not as it may change in the future.”

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450 comments
1 phoenixgirl  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:12:52pm

GOOD!

2 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:13:13pm

Didn’t we discuss this yesterday?

3 Catttt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:13:29pm

Well, this is getting interesting!

4 Wyatt Earp  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:13:39pm

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

5 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:13:50pm

Dissent is patriotic.

6 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:13:56pm

Pwnd

LMAO!

7 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:14:32pm

This is a ballsy guy. My hat’s off to him. I think the military physical examination process still requires you to have balls to join. Republicans ought to implement something similar…….

8 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:14:37pm

Army Col. James Pohl will be shortly looking for work in the private sector. Does anybody want to hire a good lawyer?

9 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:14:46pm

re: #2 lobo91

In an open thread, and there were links.

10 WhiteRasta  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:15:35pm

re: #5 vagabond trader

Oh yes! Booyah!

It’s only “patriotic” if leftie commies are destroying our society.

11 cathypop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:15:47pm

Pentagon prosecutors filed identical delay requests soon after Obama took office, arguing that the commander-in-chief needed a 120-day suspension in war court hearings to give the new administration time to study the process.

What does the O need to study?

12 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:16:08pm

OT. Charles - I notice that LGF is attempting to download more data to my browser. Foxfire 3.0.5. running on an XP box.

13 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:16:46pm

I thought the “O” erased all court and legal opinions in his grand sweeping executive order number 9?

14 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:17:13pm

So, can this be kaboshed by dropping the charges? Thought I read that yesterday.

15 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:17:16pm

re: #8 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Army Col. James Pohl will be shortly looking for work in the private sector. Does anybody want to hire a good lawyer?

No, he won’t.

When I asked if we’d discussed this yesterday, that was a rhetorical question. I was in the middle of the discussion.

He is well within his rights to refuse to grant the administration’s request.

16 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:17:17pm
The commission is bound by the law as it currently exists not as it may change in the future.

The bane of liberals everywhere.

17 victor_yugo  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:17:38pm

re: #12 Conservative in Liberal Hands

OT. Charles - I notice that LGF is attempting to download more data to my browser. Foxfire 3.0.5. running on an XP box.

Does something pop up when that happens? If so, what does it say?

18 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:17:57pm

re: #16 Sharmuta

The bane of liberals everywhere.

But what about the terrorists feeeelinggsssssssss

19 cathypop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:18:08pm

re: #13 vapig

I thought the “O” erased all court and legal opinions in his grand sweeping executive order number 9?

History of the world according the almighty Oshit

20 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:18:08pm

FAIL!

21 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:18:28pm

re: #14 vagabond trader

So, can this be kaboshed by dropping the charges? Thought I read that yesterday.

Yes, the charges can be withdrawn without prejudice, which would make the judge’s ruling a moot point.

22 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:18:30pm

Time to study the process?! What’s to study?

bbl

23 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:19:06pm

re: #21 lobo91

Who has authority to withdraw charges?

24 Cicero05  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:19:17pm

This will only result in the creation of more terrorists, you know.

25 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:19:28pm

re: #15 lobo91

No, he won’t.

When I asked if we’d discussed this yesterday, that was a rhetorical question. I was in the middle of the discussion.

He is well within his rights to refuse to grant the administration’s request.

OK… but if my Commander-In-Chief orders him to do so, or one of his superiors causes that order to the given, ‘bout the only choice the Col. has is to resign…

26 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:19:41pm

re: #23 vagabond trader

Who has authority to withdraw charges?

The prosecution.

27 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:19:49pm

re: #16 Sharmuta

The commission is bound by the law as it currently exists not as it may change in the future.

The bane of liberals everywhere.

Here President Zero, take your hopey changey and shove it up your ass…….

28 vapig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:19:55pm

re: #22 MandyManners

Time to study the process?! What’s to study?

bbl

How they can successfully screw it up or undo it altogether.

29 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:20:06pm

The Cole bombing happened when The One was 38 years old and Bush wasn’t president.

It’s irrelevant.

30 victor_yugo  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:20:20pm

re: #23 vagabond trader

Who has authority to withdraw charges?

The party making the accusation, or the CiC, at the very least.

Gerald Ford pre-emptively pardoned Richard Nixon.

31 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:20:50pm

Glad to see he was able to do a independent review of a CIC request, anther example of the value of checks and balances inspired by our founders.

32 screaming_eagle  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:21:27pm

Maybe the One will rethink his stance on torture and decide to waterboard the judge.

33 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:21:34pm

But I WON!
I’m the COMMANDER IN CHIEF!
Doesn’t he know who he works for!

/The One.

34 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:21:36pm

re: #17 victor_yugo

Does something pop up when that happens? If so, what does it say?

No. I get the message “Transferring data from Litttlegreenfootballs.com…” in the lower left hand of my browser. Usually I see that message when something - an Advertising server - is not responding. Maybe the hamsters are a little tired on Friday eve.

35 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:21:46pm

re: #25 Conservative in Liberal Hands

OK… but if my Commander-In-Chief orders him to do so, or one of his superiors causes that order to the given, ‘bout the only choice the Col. has is to resign…

Wrong.

Military judges are not subject to orders with regard to the conduct of a particular case. They have a similar latitude to that given medical offficers, chaplains, JAG officers, and inspectors general.

36 phoenixgirl  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:22:14pm

re: #31 avanti

Glad to see he was able to do a independent review of a CIC request, anther example of the value of checks and balances inspired by our founders.

well i’m sure an executive order is being drafted as we speak!

37 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:22:20pm

Must be rather galling for the great constitutional scholar being punked by a military jurist.

38 phoenixgirl  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:22:41pm

re: #33 JCM

But I WON!
I’m the COMMANDER IN CHIEF!
Doesn’t he know who he works for!

/The One.

zactly

39 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:22:42pm

re: #35 lobo91

Wrong.

Military judges are not subject to orders with regard to the conduct of a particular case. They have a similar latitude to that given medical offficers, chaplains, JAG officers, and inspectors general.

I stand corrected. Thank you!

40 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:23:01pm

re: #13 vapig

I thought the “O” erased all court and legal opinions in his grand sweeping executive order number 9?

He might be finding out that he can’t quite become the dictator of his dreams.

41 who is john galt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:23:47pm

I think the military is already taking the “Clinton” stance in regard to the current “commander and chief”.
Has anyone seen obambi leaving Air Force One or Marine 2?
Does the salute follow him as he passes?

42 Globular Cluster  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:24:07pm

Is the judge allowed to reject an executive order?

Just asking. What is the legality of this?

43 cathypop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:24:28pm

re: #37 vagabond trader

Must be rather galling for the great constitutional scholar being punked by a military jurist.

Loved that

44 wolfie  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:26:12pm

re: #35 lobo91

I didn’t know that. It makes a lot of sense, though.

45 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:26:22pm

What do you want to be BO knew this from the beginning?

46 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:26:41pm

be = bet

PIFW

47 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:27:00pm

re: #42 Globular Cluster

Is the judge allowed to reject an executive order?

Just asking. What is the legality of this?

He can’t over ride that with a executive order. Even if he could, it would be piss poor politics.

48 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:27:17pm

re: #45 Noam Sayin’

To what end?

49 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:27:58pm
The commission is bound by the law as it currently exists not as it may change in the future.

Leftists hate having to deal with the law as it is, and would rather it was the law as they think it should be.

Bravo to this judge for setting them straight.

50 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:28:08pm

re: #42 Globular Cluster

Is the judge allowed to reject an executive order?

Just asking. What is the legality of this?

Yes.
However, the executive branch can put “pressure” on the prosecutor, who is probably a mid-level officer (instant death to promotion type pressure).
That, though, would be a very stupid thing to do.

51 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:28:22pm

re: #47 avanti

GC - my point exactly. RHIP and if you buck the commander, he or she will make you life uncomfortable.

52 screaming_eagle  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:28:35pm

Community Organizer 0
US Military 1


stay tuned . .

53 victor_yugo  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:28:43pm

re: #34 Conservative in Liberal Hands

No. I get the message “Transferring data from Litttlegreenfootballs.com…” in the lower left hand of my browser. Usually I see that message when something - an Advertising server - is not responding. Maybe the hamsters are a little tired on Friday eve.

I wouldn’t worry about that. It usually indicates a dropped packet that has to be recovered, a process that needs a few seconds to happen. And it’s probably not an advert server; that would say something like “Transferring data from adserver.example.com…” instead.

54 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:28:49pm

re: #42 Globular Cluster

Is the judge allowed to reject an executive order?

Just asking. What is the legality of this?

There was no executive order. There was a request for a 120 day suspension of trials.

It’s no different than if the prosecution requested something during a regular trial. The judge either grants it or doesn’t. The fact that the judge is a serving military officer doesn’t change the fact that it’s his courtroom.

55 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:29:37pm

The rule of law trumps the glow of the Chosen One? Ooooohh, someone’s in trouble!

56 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:30:04pm

re: #53 victor_yugo

Thank you! I sometimes forget that the Internet is made up of packets and nibbles-and-bits.

Holey Moley, look at the time. I got to leave and get home to cook dinner.

Take care everyone!

57 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:30:31pm

re: #45 Noam Sayin’

What do you want to be BO knew this from the beginning?

You could well be on to something. Make the gesture to the left knowing it’s a waste of time. I wondering the same thing about the buy American provision in the stimulus bill since it’s a violation of the fair trade act and likely won’t stick.

58 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:31:15pm

re: #22 MandyManners

Time to study the process?! What’s to study?

bbl

Crash course for Barry on “What the F*ck do I do, now that I am Prez.”

59 victor_yugo  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:31:42pm

re: #52 screaming_eagle

Community Organizer, MoveOn.org, CodePink, KKKos, HuffPo, Juan Cole, Troofers 0
US Military and the Rule of Law 1

stay tuned . .

Fixed.

60 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:32:32pm

I’m not sure this is such a big deal.

First, it’s only an arraignment …. should go pretty quickly

Second, it appears that the trial could be stopped shortly after the arraignment:

He also noted that nothing would take place at the arraignment that would prevent Obama from taking other steps to stop the trial and that under the 2006 Military Commissions Act, it was up to a judge to grant any delay.

61 Globular Cluster  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:32:32pm

re: #58 Russkilitlover

Crash course for Barry on “What the F*ck do I do, now that I am Prez.”

Please, spell it “Berry”.

I can’t believe this isn’t the meme du jour, but if not, I’m starting it.

“Berry”

62 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:32:35pm

re: #37 vagabond trader

Must be rather galling for the great constitutional scholar being punked by a military jurist.

Heh! Double heh! and several BWAHAHAHAHAHAs to boot!.

63 screaming_eagle  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:32:57pm

re: #59 victor_yugo

Actually you forgot NBC

64 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:33:31pm

re: #50 jwb7605

Yes.
However, the executive branch can put “pressure” on the prosecutor, who is probably a mid-level officer (instant death to promotion type pressure).
That, though, would be a very stupid thing to do.

He’s a full colonel. He’s probably not going to get promoted, anyway. Very few general officers in the JAG Corps.

It really won’t have any effect on his career. Officers in the special branches are insulated from the chain of command for just this reason.

65 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:34:10pm

re: #42 Globular Cluster

Is the judge allowed to reject an executive order?

The order was just a request to approve a motion to suspend the trial. As the judge, he denied the motion.

/the Government will just have the prosecutor dismiss the charges without prejudice, same difference

66 victor_yugo  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:34:11pm

re: #61 Globular Cluster

Please, spell it “Berry”.

I can’t believe this isn’t the meme du jour, but if not, I’m starting it.

“Berry”

The 0bamas are the Berrys.

At least in their own minds.

67 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:34:16pm

Blackwater is out in May

68 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:34:21pm

UCMJ 134

(1) That the accused wrongfully did a certain act;

(2) That the accused did so in the case of a certain person against whom the accused had reason to believe there was or would be an adverse administrative proceeding pending;

(3) That the act was done with the intent to influence, impede, or obstruct the conduct of such administrative proceeding, or otherwise obstruct the due administration of justice;

(4) That under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.

1) Attempt to delay the proceedings.
2) The proceedings have a pending adverse outcome.
3) Obstructing the proceedings.
4) Prejudice of good order, and discrediting…..

Works for me……

69 HelloDare  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:34:30pm

Former USS Cole commander slams Obama on Guantanamo

The former commander of the USS Cole, the American war ship that was struck by a suicide boat in Yemeni waters more than eight years ago, on Thursday slammed President Barack Obama’s orders to close the Guantanamo detention center and reassess the prisoners being held there.

”We shouldn’t make policy decisions based on human rights and legal advocacy groups,” retired U.S. Navy Cmdr. Kurt Lippold said in a telephone interview. “We should consider what is best for the American people, which is not to jeopardize those who are fighting the war on terror — or even more adversely impact the families who have already suffered loses as a result of the war.”

70 Bogart  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:34:57pm

Todays Sports scores: Military Commission 1 - Obama 0, Barney Franks Friends 819,000,000,000 General Pubic 0.

71 MAV  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:34:58pm

Bravo Zulu to you Colonel!

72 quickjustice  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:35:11pm

Justice delayed is justice denied. And Obama wants delays.

73 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:35:48pm

re: #37 vagabond trader

Must be rather galling for the great constitutional scholar being punked by a military jurist.

In a small way this is an example of the rule of LGoPs (Little Groups of Paratroopers) which in essence says that when the original plan goes to hell, it is small groups of individuals (paratroopers in Normandy - where the rule is derived from) moving out and engaging the enemy. They’re disorganized and scattered and basically leaderless and they dont remember much, other than the overall intent, which was to close with and destroy the enemy.
Now naturally I’m not talking about hurting anybody, but I am talking about multitudes of us, each in our own small way, moving out and engaging and challenging the destructively naive and stupid ideas that the libtards think they have a mandate for now that ‘They Won’. And all of us holding on and waiting and hoping for relief from somebody, unknown as yet, who will lead the Republican Party and start taking back this country in 2010 and 2012……

74 victor_yugo  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:36:02pm

re: #69 HelloDare

”We shouldn’t make policy decisions based on human rights and legal advocacy groups,” retired U.S. Navy Cmdr. Kurt Lippold said in a telephone interview. “We should consider what is best for the American people, which is not to jeopardize those who are fighting the war on terror — or even more adversely impact the families who have already suffered loses as a result of the war.”

Precisely the point that someone here (maybe Killgore Trout) was making about “human rights” being diametrically opposed to “civil rights.”

75 descolada9  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:36:06pm

Hats off to the colonel for sticking with the written law and not acquiescing to Obama’s desire to put these terrorists into the normal criminal courts of the nation.

76 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:36:12pm

re: #68 JCM

UCMJ 134


1) Attempt to delay the proceedings.
2) The proceedings have a pending adverse outcome.
3) Obstructing the proceedings.
4) Prejudice of good order, and discrediting…..

Works for me……

Umm…who are you trying to claim violated Article 134 of the UCMJ? The judge?

Put down the crack pipe…

77 Abu Bin Squid  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:36:21pm

This will tells us a lot about Barry’s thin skin. The “audacity” of a judge to follow current military law and not the word of a self-appointed healer of the world? Of course it won’t matter if he dissolves the military.

Still, Cheers to Army Col. James Pohl! This Rolling Rock is for you.

78 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:36:59pm

re: #64 lobo91

He’s a full colonel. He’s probably not going to get promoted, anyway. Very few general officers in the JAG Corps.

It really won’t have any effect on his career. Officers in the special branches are insulated from the chain of command for just this reason.

I bow to your wisdom.

79 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:37:05pm

re: #76 lobo91

Umm…who are you trying to claim violated Article 134 of the UCMJ? The judge?

Put down the crack pipe…

Not the judge…..
;-P

80 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:37:34pm

re: #69 HelloDare

Hmmmm… 10 days in office and Barry is already getting military push back on a range of issues. Interesting.

81 screaming_eagle  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:37:49pm

re: #69 HelloDare

FOX news had a bit on that this morning. I don’t think this closing Gito thing is going to go over as well as the One thought. Too many news outlets are saying.. wait a minute. Even moving them won’t pacify his base.

82 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:38:32pm

re: #74 victor_yugo

Precisely the point that someone here (maybe Killgore Trout) was making about “human rights” being diametrically opposed to “civil rights.”

I believe that Buzzsawmonkey is the one with the spot-on analysis.

Buzz? Maybe a repost?

83 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:38:56pm

Guantanamo Judge Denies Obama’s Request

TRANSLATION

“Mr. Obama, you may have indeed won the Presidential race, but in some areas the adults are still n charge!”

84 wolfie  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:39:19pm

re: #74 victor_yugo

Buzzsawmonkey.

85 mean Gene  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:39:37pm

Maybe this is a better place for this:
Fox News had a soldier at Gitmo on.
He said the Muslim prisoners get all agitated over ads like a Palmolive ad where a fully clothed woman gets her hands wet.
One set of these prisoners actually destroyed a TV set over this.

86 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:40:50pm

re: #85 mean Gene

Maybe this is a better place for this:
Fox News had a soldier at Gitmo on.
He said the Muslim prisoners get all agitated over ads like a Palmolive ad where a fully clothed woman gets her hands wet.
One set of these prisoners actually destroyed a TV set over this.

O.K….maybe I’m a little slow…. why are they getting agitated over that?

87 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:40:54pm

re: #73 LGoPs

You a Band of Brothers fan?

On the other, yes, your intent is admirable, but I am an old biddy and have neither patience or inclination to engage vapid librals in my area.Gotta watch the blood pressure.

88 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:41:00pm

re: #37 vagabond trader

Must be rather galling for the great constitutional scholar being punked by a military jurist.

LOL,
knowing how petty and defensive o is, i bet he is seething.
tossing and turning in his sleep.
even a small slight or rejection really bothers insecure people like o.
look what he did to joe the plumber.

89 mean Gene  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:41:23pm

Too much wrist?

90 screaming_eagle  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:41:26pm

re: #83 sattv4u2

Guantanamo Judge Denies Obama’s Request

TRANSLATION

“Mr. Obama, you may have indeed won the Presidential race, but in some areas the adults are still n charge!”


LMAO

91 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:41:55pm

re: #87 vagabond trader

You a Band of Brothers fan?

On the other, yes, your intent is admirable, but I am an old biddy and have neither patience or inclination to engage vapid librals in my area.Gotta watch the blood pressure.

Sure am…..
:)

92 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:42:00pm
93 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:42:37pm

re: #85 mean Gene

Maybe this is a better place for this:
Fox News had a soldier at Gitmo on.
He said the Muslim prisoners get all agitated over ads like a Palmolive ad where a fully clothed woman gets her hands wet.
One set of these prisoners actually destroyed a TV set over
this.


We have the technology to play that on a continuous loop! I would LOVE to see the leftys marchig in the streets protesting “Torture By Soap”!

94 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:42:51pm

re: #88 nyc redneck

Yeah, would love to hear him whining to the other half about it too.Never thought we’d see another pair of crooked shysters in the WH.

95 screaming_eagle  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:43:05pm

re: #92 ploome hineni

apparently representatives of various states are arguing these prisoners should go somewhere else

no one wants them


Murtha said he’d take them. And I agree.

96 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:43:17pm

re: #92 ploome hineni

apparently representatives of various states are arguing these prisoners should go somewhere else

no one wants them

Frank Murtha said he’d take them in his minimum security prison….

Is there actually anything between those ears?

97 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:43:18pm

BHO dictating to the military and the economy…..

Obama says will reverse Bush labor policies

* Obama says will turn back Bush-era labor policies

* Obama says strong labor movement key to economic recovery

* Labor Unions welcome creation of middle class task force

* Obama talks to Chinese counterpart on economic crisis

98 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:43:53pm

re: #88 nyc redneck

LOL,
knowing how petty and defensive o is, i bet he is seething.
tossing and turning in his sleep.
even a small slight or rejection really bothers insecure people like o.
look what he did to joe the plumber.

Oh, I’m sure his first reaction was the same as that of many people here, which is “How dare this pissant colonel disobey me?”

Presumably, one of the career officials at the Pentagon explained reality to him.

99 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:43:53pm
100 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:44:07pm

re: #96 eschew_obfuscation

Strikes me as being an old wet brain.

101 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:44:52pm

re: #92 ploome hineni

apparently representatives of various states are arguing these prisoners should go somewhere else

no one wants them

Like Yucca mountain.
Would you wager on whether they end up in a “Red” or a “Blue” state?
Colorado just went “blue”, my guess is that we’re safe, as is California.

102 phoenixgirl  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:44:54pm

re: #96 eschew_obfuscation

Frank Murtha said he’d take them in his minimum security prison….

Is there actually anything between those ears?

sheriff Joe said he’d put them in tent city….

103 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:44:56pm

re: #86 eschew_obfuscation

O.K….maybe I’m a little slow…. why are they getting agitated over that?

Better yet, Why are they getting access to TV?

104 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:45:00pm

re: #98 lobo91

After he schooled the cic in proper saluting technique.

105 DEZes  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:45:09pm

Obambi just cant wait to have a revolving door installed for terrorists.

106 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:45:19pm

re: #92 ploome hineni

apparently representatives of various states are arguing these prisoners should go somewhere else

no one wants them

If all else fails - send ‘em to Yucca Flats……

107 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:45:34pm

re: #91 LGoPs

Us too.Classic epic.

108 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:45:47pm

re: #103 IslandLibertarian

Better yet, Why are they getting access to TV?

Some times I just miss the most obvious questions ;~)

109 solomonpanting  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:45:55pm
Because the Pentagon sought military execution for Nashiri, the American Civil Liberties Union hired death penalty specialists to assist in his defense.

“American Civil Liberties”—they’re not just for Americans anymore.

110 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:46:09pm

re: #96 eschew_obfuscation

Frank Murtha said he’d take them in his minimum security prison….

Is there actually anything between those ears?

a string. If you attach a ball to one end of the string, you can pull it thru from one side to the other without the ball hitting anything more substantial than ear hair

111 pink freud  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:46:14pm

re: #11 cathypop


What does the O need to study?

Democracy.

112 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:46:15pm

BHO dictating to the military and the economy…..

“There will be time for them to make profits, and there will be time for them to get bonuses,” Obama said. “Now is not that time.”

PROFIT EQUALS ECONOMIC GROWTH!
WHO THE %&$# DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?
THAT YOU CAN DICTATE IF A PROFIT CAN BE MADE!

Those are the words of a Marxist.

113 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:46:49pm

re: #110 sattv4u2

a string. If you attach a ball to one end of the string, you can pull it thru from one side to the other without the ball hitting anything more substantial than ear hair

eeewwwwwww

114 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:46:52pm

re: #109 solomonpanting

They never were for Americans. At least not patriotic ones.

115 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:47:23pm
116 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:47:37pm

re: #112 JCM

BHO dictating to the military and the economy…..

PROFIT EQUALS ECONOMIC GROWTH!
WHO THE %&$# DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?
THAT YOU CAN DICTATE IF A PROFIT CAN BE MADE!

Those are the words of a Marxist.

Are you sitting in for Mandy today? (hee, hee)

117 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:47:37pm

re: #48 vagabond trader

To what end?

I don’t understand the nature of your question.

118 victor_yugo  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:47:48pm

re: #111 pink freud

Democracy.

Not “democracy.” We are not a democracy, we are a republic. The tinhorn CiC thinks we are a democracy.

119 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:47:54pm
120 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:48:14pm

re: #112 JCM

“All Animals are equal. But some Animals are more equal than others.”
“Four legs, good! Two legs, O-baaaaaaaaaaa-ma!”

121 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:48:21pm

re: #101 jwb7605

Like Yucca mountain.
Would you wager on whether they end up in a “Red” or a “Blue” state?
Colorado just went “blue”, my guess is that we’re safe, as is California.

The Colorado Governor wants them, not a popular idea.

122 screaming_eagle  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:48:33pm

re: #109 solomonpanting

“American Civil Liberties”—they’re not just for Americans anymore.

HOPE
CHANGE

Yes we can.(Give our country away)

123 Abu Bin Squid  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:48:42pm

re: #61 Globular Cluster
As in “BlackBerry”?
If yes, I’m in.

124 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:48:49pm

re: #104 vagabond trader

After he schooled the cic in proper saluting technique.

i bet he never masters saluting technique.
it’s not in him.
he just doesn’t have love of his country in his heart or soul.
he hardly mastered wearing a flag lapel pin.

125 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:48:51pm

re: #116 eschew_obfuscation

Are you sitting in for Mandy today? (hee, hee)

She left her clue bat behind the bar…….

126 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:48:59pm

re: #114 vagabond trader

They never were for Americans. At least not patriotic ones.

You sure got that right. The only use I’ve ever had for the ACLU is on the rare occasion where I’m not sure what to think on an issue….I look for their stance and take the exact opposite…….

127 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:49:29pm

re: #112 JCM

BHO dictating to the military and the economy…..


PROFIT EQUALS ECONOMIC GROWTH!
WHO THE %&$# DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?
THAT YOU CAN DICTATE IF A PROFIT CAN BE MADE!

Those are the words of a Marxist.

Or, at the very least, someone who’s never worked a day in an actual private sector business.

That’s a major part of the problem we have with the permanent political class we’ve created. Most of them haven’t the slightest clue how a business operates, much less how the economy works. Yet they’re writing laws on the subject.

128 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:49:41pm

re: #111 pink freud

Democracy.

Democracy is 3 wolves and 2 sheep voting on what’s for dinner.

129 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:50:02pm

re: #117 Noam Sayin’

How and or why would The Obama know the situation from the beginning?

130 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:50:50pm

re: #121 avanti

The Colorado Governor wants them, not a popular idea.

I’ll trade them for the governor.

I’ll throw in the mayor of Denver, too.

131 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:50:51pm

re: #128 JCM

Democracy is 3 wolves and 2 sheep voting on what’s for dinner.

Thats one of my all time favs! I use it with leftys all the time, when they start with their
We live in a democracy, you know!

132 saberry0530  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:50:57pm

re: #61 Globular Cluster

Please, spell it “Berry”.

I can’t believe this isn’t the meme du jour, but if not, I’m starting it.

“Berry”

Cant’ use Berry , I’ve owned it for 40+ years

133 WhiteRasta  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:51:01pm

I fear Barry is completely out of his depth. Even more so than Jummah peanut farmer.

134 DEZes  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:51:35pm

re: #128 JCM

Democracy is 3 wolves and 2 sheep voting on what’s for dinner.


That’s the best analogy of democracy, EVAH.

135 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:52:21pm

re: #128 JCM

Democracy is 3 wolves and 2 sheep voting on what’s for dinner.

Liberty is the sheep being armed………ben franklin
:)

136 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:52:29pm

re: #133 WhiteRasta

I fear Barry is completely out of his depth. Even more so than Jummah peanut farmer.

I agree…. I think that’s why he has surrounded himself with old Clintonistas …. so he’ll have someone to tell him what to do.

137 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:53:01pm

re: #127 lobo91

Word came out at an office meeting yesterday that “0” had a job at the “Baskin Robins” around the corner from his “Toot’s” condo.
The consensus was that with 31 flavors, it was proven that “0” could multi-task.

/true story

138 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:53:21pm

re: #134 DEZes

That’s the best analogy of democracy, EVAH.

And thats why our founding fathers set up our system to ensure we would NOT be a democracy!

God, those men were wise! Which reminds me. Once every other year or so, I trek to the local library, take out and read the Federalist Papers! It’s time!

139 Wm T Sherman  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:53:22pm

I bet a hundred bucks Obama is relieved. Gets credit for trying, but does not have to take responsibility for the outcome.

140 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:53:23pm
141 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:53:32pm

U.S. May Forge New Ties With Syria

A U.S. Congressional delegation was to arrive in Damascus Friday night in what could be the start to a new chapter in Syria – U.S. relations.

After years of disregard by George W. Bush, President Bashar al-Assad is hoping Barack Obama will bring Syria into the diplomatic fold, genuinely engaging Israel’s neighbor in the effort to bring lasting stability to the Middle East.

Rep. Adam Smith, D-Wa., was heading the delegation of House Armed Services Committee members dispatched by the Obama administration, which seems keen to push the Mideast peace agenda, according to diplomats in Damascus.

Hey, if you can’t beat ‘em …

/all those U.S. soldiers you helped kill, no problem, all is forgiven, let’s be friends

142 DEZes  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:53:35pm

re: #136 eschew_obfuscation

I agree…. I think that’s why he has surrounded himself with old Clintonistas …. so he’ll have someone to tell him what to do.


Cause his Murtha didn’t raise him right. ;)

143 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:54:03pm

re: #121 avanti

The Colorado Governor wants them, not a popular idea.

I’d not heard that one.
Link was dated yesterday, it didn’t make the local Daily Communist paper.
The Gov also is cutting several millions from education.

Not a way to endear yourself to a newly-turned state.

144 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:55:13pm

re: #135 LGoPs

Liberty is the sheep being armed………ben franklin
:)

“Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time.”

145 Salem  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:55:30pm

re: #101 jwb7605

Like Yucca mountain.
Would you wager on whether they end up in a “Red” or a “Blue” state?
Colorado just went “blue”, my guess is that we’re safe, as is California.

I want them to put them here so it’ll turn back into a Red State. They’ll be back in Cuba soon enough.

146 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:55:44pm

re: #133 WhiteRasta

I fear he’s a dangerous socialist attempting to subvert our capitalist republic at light speed in order to avoid public scrutiny.

147 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:56:02pm

re: #138 sattv4u2

And thats why our founding fathers set up our system to ensure we would NOT be a democracy!

God, those men were wise! Which reminds me. Once every other year or so, I trek to the local library, take out and read the Federalist Papers! It’s time!



Save the gas………

I like the dead tree version my self mine is pretty dog eared.

148 Abu Bin Squid  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:56:06pm

re: #77 Abu Bin Squid

My typo makes it appear I was trying to speak in an early 1900’s black dialect. I assure you that was not my intent. It was an honest mistake.

I reported it to Stinky and if it needs to go it will.

149 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:56:29pm

re: #144 avanti

“Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time.”

Why do I get the feeling we’re living in the part that’s “less than half of the time”?

150 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:56:36pm

re: #135 LGoPs

Liberty is the sheep being armed………ben franklin
:)

I thought it was the right to arm bears? Not sheep?

151 Bloodnok  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:57:23pm

re: #85 mean Gene

Maybe this is a better place for this:
Fox News had a soldier at Gitmo on.
He said the Muslim prisoners get all agitated over ads like a Palmolive ad where a fully clothed woman gets her hands wet.
One set of these prisoners actually destroyed a TV set over this.

Quite the torture chamber (/). We’re letting them watch TV!

152 DEZes  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:57:37pm

re: #150 Occasional Reader

I thought it was the right to arm bears? Not sheep?

Thie Grizzly Gun Club. :)

153 pink freud  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:58:01pm

re: #118 victor_yugo

Not “democracy.” We are not a democracy, we are a republic. The tinhorn CiC thinks we are a democracy.

I meant democracy, as opposed to socialism or communism. Or, for that matter, totalitarianism.

154 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:58:11pm

re: #151 Bloodnok

Quite the torture chamber (/). We’re letting them watch TV!

Do they have their converter boxes yet?

//

155 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:58:19pm

re: #151 Bloodnok

Quite the torture chamber (/). We’re letting them watch TV!

BUT IT’S NOT HIGH-DEF! TORCHAH!

156 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:58:39pm

re: #150 Occasional Reader

I thought it was the right to arm bears? Not sheep?

LOL…….great wit there.
:)

157 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:58:46pm

re: #147 JCM


Save the gas………

I like the dead tree version my self mine is pretty dog eared.

Thanks just the same, but I like holding the book. Holding the laptop on bed just doesn’t feel the same!@

158 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:59:04pm

re: #154 lobo91

Do they have their converter boxes yet?

//

For Muslims, they’re known as reverter boxes.

159 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:59:07pm

re: #151 Bloodnok

Quite the torture chamber (/). We’re letting them watch TV!

Hey, if they get that worked up over soap commercials, wait ‘til they see the Super Bowl commercials! Or the annual ads for the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition.

160 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:59:16pm

Bottom Line on this situation. Pres. Obama screwed up ROYALLY. His Article 2 Powers permit him to have had his way as an ORDER. By going in as a legal “supplicant” rather than as CIC he met his First Good Man. Trust me, he will NOT make the same mistake again. Too may “Good Men” in the Military, even in the JAG Corps., for this President to handle. ORDERS will be the Order of the Day. That is all.

-S-

161 saberry0530  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:59:23pm

re: #155 Occasional Reader

BUT IT’S NOT HIGH-DEF! TORCHAH!

I wonder if they have gotten their digital conversion coupon.!

162 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:59:27pm

re: #149 eschew_obfuscation

Why do I get the feeling we’re living in the part that’s “less than half of the time”?

If it turns out badly, blame me, otherwise, buy me a beer.

163 DEZes  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:59:47pm

re: #85 mean Gene

Maybe this is a better place for this:
Fox News had a soldier at Gitmo on.
He said the Muslim prisoners get all agitated over ads like a Palmolive ad where a fully clothed woman gets her hands wet.
One set of these prisoners actually destroyed a TV set over this.

Washing dishes in those houseolds must be quite a spectacle.
Oh wait……

164 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:59:56pm

re: #144 avanti

“Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time.”

“Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government;… whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights.”
—Thomas Jefferson to Richard Price, 1789. ME 7:253

165 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 3:59:56pm

re: #159 eschew_obfuscation

Hey, if they get that worked up over soap commercials, wait ‘til they see the Super Bowl commercials! Or the annual ads for the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition.

24x7 reruns of Bay Watch.

166 Racer X  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:00:28pm
Octuplets’ Mother already has 6 kids.

CBS News reported Friday that the mother of eight newborns, who already had six children, filed for bankruptcy and abandoned her home less than two years ago. She hasn’t been identified publicly yet, though CBS News described her as a woman in her 30s who lives with her parents.

The woman’s mother revealed to the Los Angeles Times that her daughter already had six children before seeking fertility treatment, though she had no idea she would become pregnant with so many babies.

Britain’s Sun newspaper reported that the mother works in a fertility clinic. The grandmother said she had multiple embryos implanted last year and declined to abort any of them.

The hospital, Kaiser Permanente in Bellflower, Calif., did not release the mother’s name, but the Sun, without citing sources, identified her as 33-year-old Nadya Suleman. She does not appear to have a husband.

CBS News reported that the woman’s father is Iraqi and is heading back to his native country to earn money for the growing family.

Welcome to America! The welfare line is right over there —->

167 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:00:36pm

re: #147 JCM


Save the gas………

I like the dead tree version my self mine is pretty dog eared.

Hey - where have you been? Haven’t seen you at level 5 all day.

They gave me a gray jumpsuit today - what is with that?

168 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:00:40pm

re: #162 avanti

Libs, always looking for free stuff.

/

169 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:00:40pm

re: #157 sattv4u2

Thanks just the same, but I like holding the book. Holding the laptop on bed just doesn’t feel the same!@

Know what you mean, I use the online for quick searches of text strings.

170 USBeast  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:01:53pm

“The commission is bound by the law as it currently exists not as it may change in the future.”

Well, Mr. President, there’s one across your bow. Are you going hang him now or wait ‘til this blows over and do it on the sly?

171 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:02:06pm

re: #167 karmic_inquisitor

Hey - where have you been? Haven’t seen you at level 5 all day.

They gave me a gray jumpsuit today - what is with that?

New security proceedures after all those leaks the other day. Once your ID is verified you get a grey one. I pity the poor sap in the blue one at the end of the day…..

172 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:02:08pm

I think the oath scare was ridiculous and yet interesting. Another name in Washington for a wild and outrageous rumor that is immediately debunked is a “Trial Balloon.”

173 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:02:14pm

re: #168 vagabond trader

Libs, always looking voting for people that’ll give them for free stuff.

/

accuracy in media

174 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:02:34pm

re: #164 JCM

Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government;… whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights.”
—Thomas Jefferson to Richard Price, 1789. ME 7:253

That’s the part that went haywire this last election. Not only were the people not well informed, they were intentionally misinformed.
Goddamn the media……..

175 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:03:36pm

re: #166 Racer X

Six kids, and sought out fertility treatments?
*sigh*

176 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:05:01pm

re: #164 JCM

“Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government;… whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights.”
—Thomas Jefferson to Richard Price, 1789. ME 7:253

Your quote just summed up the reason voters took a chance on a change, the voters thought things went wrong. Given the political climate, the GOP was facing one hell of a headwind.

177 Racer X  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:05:21pm

re: #175 JCM

Six kids, and sought out fertility treatments?
*sigh*

She now has 14 kids, lives with her parents, and receives welfare.

178 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:05:28pm

re: #166 Racer X

re: #175 JCM

Six kids, and sought out fertility treatments?
*sigh*

She does not appear to have a husband.

Any volunteers? Bueller! Bueller!?!?!?

179 pink freud  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:05:37pm

re: #166 Racer X

The issues of personal and social responsibilities notwithstanding, its sets off my alarm bells to see such a story as this gain national coverage. As much as we may not like it, this woman has the right to have as many children as she chooses despite her financial status. This is still America. Is the next step to be financial qualification for family size?

I am in no way supportive of this foolish woman’s actions. I’m just sayin’ …

180 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:05:43pm

re: #175 JCM

Six kids, and sought out fertility treatments?
*sigh*

Who paid for them?

181 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:05:43pm

re: #162 avanti

If it turns out badly, blame me, otherwise, buy me a beer.

I won’t blame you. I’ll just keep reminding you. “Yes you did” is what I will say.

BTW - that community organizer is doing great things for the market. Turns out that the GDP slide last quarter wasn’t as bad as expected, the markets opened up (where they had been in pre trading) and Obama goes out and talks DOWN the economy. AGAIN.

Economic crises happen when people start hoarding out of fear. Obama has been selling fear to get his pork laden “I won” package through.

And people liked to accuse Bush and Cheney of fanning fear to get war money. They never asked for $1T to spend on buddies and patrons.

182 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:05:53pm

re: #175 JCM

Six kids, and sought out fertility treatments?
*sigh*

I want to know who the hell paid for the treatments. I’ve had several friends go thru this process, for legitimate reasons, and it costs 10’s of thousands of dollars…….

183 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:06:00pm

re: #168 vagabond trader

Libs, always looking for free stuff.

/

Free beer, good, yum.

184 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:06:01pm

re: #129 vagabond trader

How and or why would The Obama know the situation from the beginning?

Perhaps that information has already been shared with members of the Senate. That’s one possibility. Perhaps he knows the actual way to get the proceedings halted is to have Gates do it. Or maybe he cooked this up with Gates’ buy-in. Now the debate has been raised and he could use any uproar out of this as a scapegoat and relent, saving face with those on the left, and channeling more blame on Republicans/Bush through Gates.

185 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:06:06pm

re: #174 LGoPs

That’s the part that went haywire this last election. Not only were the people not well informed, they were intentionally misinformed.
Goddamn the media……..

Bingo. Look at the anal exam GWB got in ‘00 and ‘04. Toughest question Obama got was by Joe the Plumber, then government workers went through Joe’s records with a fine tooth comb.

If anyone was informed Barry would never have been elected to dog catcher, let along anything else.

186 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:06:16pm

re: #180 goddessoftheclassroom

Who paid for them?

us

187 LEGION  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:06:21pm

re: #174 LGoPs

Yep, gotta buncha dummies to elect him who think the bo will pay their mortgages- HA!
I’m so glad he got jammed - may this be the first of many before his impeachment.

188 Racer X  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:06:41pm

re: #179 pink freud

I agree - we have an obligation to provide assistance to the family. But I reserve the right to ridicule this dumbass as I see fit.

189 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:06:47pm

re: #180 goddessoftheclassroom

Who paid for them?

re: #186 sattv4u2

us

And we will continue to pay for all 14 of them until they are at least 21

190 solomonpanting  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:07:14pm

re: #166 Racer X

CBS News reported that the woman’s father is Iraqi and is heading back to his native country to earn money for the growing family.

How good Iraq’s economy must be for him to go there to make money!

191 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:07:33pm

re: #189 sattv4u2

And we will continue to pay for all 14 of them until they are at least 21

I thought SCHIP raised the age to 30.
Seriously.

192 pink freud  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:07:44pm

re: #182 LGoPs

I want to know who the hell paid for the treatments. I’ve had several friends go thru this process, for legitimate reasons, and it costs 10’s of thousands of dollars…….

The article says that she worked at the fertility clinic.

193 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:07:46pm

re: #177 Racer X

She now has 14 kids, lives with her parents, and receives welfare.

Who paid for the fertility treatments?
MediCal, Medicare, Medicad?
6 kids and fertility treatments? How the *&%$ did that get approved?

194 lobo91  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:07:48pm

re: #160 Dr. Shalit

Bottom Line on this situation. Pres. Obama screwed up ROYALLY. His Article 2 Powers permit him to have had his way as an ORDER.

Nope. Sorry, but you’re mistaken.

He can no more order the military judge to do something in that case than he can order a federal district court judge to do something.

The chain of command doesn’t extend to courtroom proceedings. If it did, there would be no point in having judges (military or otherwise). The president could just order them to rule however he wanted.

195 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:08:11pm

re: #174 LGoPs

They were willfully ignorant. I put the blame squarely on our educational system. The last 40 years has churned out far too many knee jerk spoon fed pc know nothings, encouraged to remain “children” until they are in their 30s and 40s.

196 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:08:15pm
197 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:08:39pm

re: #188 Racer X

I agree - we have an obligation to provide assistance to the family. But I reserve the right to ridicule this dumbass as I see fit.

You see, this is where I disagree. We do NOT have an obligation to take care of any family but our own unless we choose to.

I understand that. as the law stands now, they are entitled to support, but I strongly disagree.

198 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:08:53pm

re: #171 JCM

New security proceedures after all those leaks the other day. Once your ID is verified you get a grey one. I pity the poor sap in the blue one at the end of the day…..

Makes sense. So did you have lunch in the Level 3 viewing area again?

199 saberry0530  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:08:59pm

re: #179 pink freud

The issues of personal and social responsibilities notwithstanding, its sets off my alarm bells to see such a story as this gain national coverage. As much as we may not like it, this woman has the right to have as many children as she chooses despite her financial status. This is still America. Is the next step to be financial qualification for family size?

I am in no way supportive of this foolish woman’s actions. I’m just sayin’ …

“IF” she has the means to support that 14 children or 5 more than that is all well and good. But once she starts taking my money for her poor decisions.. That is when we have a problem.

200 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:09:10pm

re: #191 jwb7605

I thought SCHIP raised the age to 30.
Seriously.

Family’s under $80,000 can put their kids on it now. I know that. Employers will push people to put their kids on SCHIP.

Socialism isn’t creeping, it’s galloping.

201 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:09:10pm

re: #197 goddessoftheclassroom

You see, this is where I disagree. We do NOT have an obligation to take care of any family but our own unless we choose to.

I understand that. as the law stands now, they are entitled to support, but I strongly disagree.

I agree with your disagreement!

202 pink freud  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:09:38pm

re: #188 Racer X

I agree - we have an obligation to provide assistance to the family. But I reserve the right to ridicule this dumbass as I see fit.

I think you misunderstood me, Racer. I do NOT think that we have an obligation to provide assistance to this family. That is the mother’s obligation.

203 Catttt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:10:16pm

re: #72 quickjustice

Justice delayed is justice denied. And Obama wants delays.

Your nick certainly is uniquely suited to that comment!

204 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:10:22pm

re: #177 Racer X

She now has 14 kids, lives with her parents, and receives welfare.

A right wing Catch 22. The doctors wanted to abort some of the fetuses very early and she refused. Of course the doctors could not have implanted eight in the first place. Even then, you have extra fertilized eggs to deal with.

205 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:10:24pm

re: #184 Noam Sayin’

Heh, you have a devious mind, like moi. I was thinking along the same line and would not trust The Obama to tell me what time it is.

206 albusteve  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:10:29pm

re: #197 goddessoftheclassroom

You see, this is where I disagree. We do NOT have an obligation to take care of any family but our own unless we choose to.

I understand that. as the law stands now, they are entitled to support, but I strongly disagree.

I want their pie

207 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:10:36pm

re: #198 karmic_inquisitor

Makes sense. So did you have lunch in the Level 3 viewing area again?

Processing a South Florida nudist colony, not even I have the stomach for that!

208 LEGION  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:11:36pm

re: #192 pink freud

The article says that she worked at the fertility clinic.

What she do- steal a bottle of something or take a free shot? Hellava employee incentive they may have passed out.

209 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:11:37pm

re: #183 avanti

What kind?

210 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:11:41pm
211 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:11:42pm

re: #206 albusteve

I want their pie

Six months ago you would have demanded their gasoline!

212 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:12:41pm

re: #204 avanti

A right wing Catch 22. The doctors wanted to abort some of the fetuses very early and she refused. Of course the doctors could not have implanted eight in the first place. Even then, you have extra fertilized eggs to deal with.

How is that a right wing catch 22? That she didn’t want abortions? That she exercised her “right to choose?” Or did she simply choose wrongly?

213 pink freud  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:12:41pm

re: #210 ploome hineni

177 Racer X

take away the welfare

and the kids

Either way, the great welfare state will pay for their rearing.

214 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:13:08pm

re: #208 LEGION

Prolly one of her co-workers helped out. Shades of mad science lab.

215 KarenWI  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:13:17pm

Sticking my head in for a minute….
re: closing gitmo. I still think sending the prisoners over to bed and bunk in the white house along with M and O would be the best idea. Oh, and make sure to remove the secret service detail first, LOL.

re: Michael Steele. I am so glad that he got the RNC chairmanship. I think he will be a big plus for the RNC.

216 albusteve  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:13:18pm

re: #210 ploome hineni

177 Racer X


take away the welfare

and the kids

small kids are the ideal stature for picking lettuce

217 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:13:53pm
218 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:14:20pm

re: #209 vagabond trader

What kind?

Sam Adams, and please don’t tell me that’s Commie beer, I live on the stuff. :)

219 snowcrash  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:14:20pm

This is TOTALLY TOTALLY speculation but the story makes more sense if she was attempting to be a surrogate for someone and it fell through. Seems too hard for a single mom to raise 14 chidren, 8 of which are newborns.

220 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:14:35pm

re: #207 JCM

Processing a South Florida nudist colony, not even I have the stomach for that!

What is it with that? Why do people decide to become nudists at a point in their lives when we’d rather they didn’t share? Reminds me of the last “Bring your grandparent to work day” at level 3.

221 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:15:06pm

re: #210 ploome hineni

177 Racer X

take away the welfare

and the kids

Who’s the sperm donor?

My peeve is sperm donors (not the voluntary kind who are helping infertile couples) should be financially responsible for their offspring. We should not tolerate boys (men raise their children) who drop their offspring on societies doorstep.

222 albusteve  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:15:09pm

re: #219 snowcrash

This is TOTALLY TOTALLY speculation but the story makes more sense if she was attempting to be a surrogate for someone and it fell through. Seems too hard for a single mom to raise 14 chidren, 8 of which are newborns.

rats do it…giver her a chance

223 Racer X  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:15:35pm

re: #202 pink freud

I think you misunderstood me, Racer. I do NOT think that we have an obligation to provide assistance to this family. That is the mother’s obligation.

The government has programs in place to provide assistance. She cannot be denied that assistance just because she is stupid. Thats what pisses me off.

224 cathypop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:16:23pm

re: #220 karmic_inquisitor

What is it with that? Why do people decide to become nudists at a point in their lives when we’d rather they didn’t share? Reminds me of the last “Bring your grandparent to work day” at level 3.


Swear to God I saw a gay nudist rock climbing magazine. WTF? It grossed out a couple of men friends

225 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:16:51pm

OT: Apologize if this has been discussed but what do you all think of Obama trying to get Judd Gregg to be the commerce secretary? The Dem governor there would appoint a dem there and the Republicans would lose any hope of a filibuster. I hope Gregg doesn’t accept but I think he will.

226 Kragar  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:17:34pm

re: #224 cathypop

Swear to God I saw a gay nudist rock climbing magazine. WTF? It grossed out a couple of men friends

Bring in a new meaning to hammering in a piton.

227 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:17:57pm

re: #221 JCM

Who’s the sperm donor?

My peeve is sperm donors (not the voluntary kind who are helping infertile couples) should be financially responsible for their offspring. We should not tolerate boys (men raise their children) who drop their offspring on societies doorstep.

I agree in principle, but one of the problems is that men have almost no say in what happens to children they foster….. everything is the mother’s choice. If a man fosters a child out of wedlock (first moral problem), he has no say about abortion, keeping the child, or putting it up for adoption, but is forced by law to pay for it.

228 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:18:10pm

re: #218 avanti


Nah, we’re egalitarian beer folk.Sam’s fine. Hubby likes obscure stuff from England and Scotland.Very yummy.

229 Catttt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:18:28pm

re: #224 cathypop

Swear to God I saw a gay nudist rock climbing magazine. WTF? It grossed out a couple of men friends

Where? Dentist’s office? /:D

230 albusteve  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:18:46pm

re: #226 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bring in a new meaning to hammering in a piton.

that is totally disgusting…I love it….

231 Dublin(CA)Dude  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:19:16pm

Thank God someone has a pair of cojones. We’re going to need a lot more men like this for the next four years. Now we need to make sure the Republicans in the Senate know they must filibuster that damn crap sandwich of a “stimulus” (PORK) bill.

232 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:19:21pm

re: #225 Jetpilot1101

OT: Apologize if this has been discussed but what do you all think of Obama trying to get Judd Gregg to be the commerce secretary? The Dem governor there would appoint a dem there and the Republicans would lose any hope of a filibuster. I hope Gregg doesn’t accept but I think he will.

I think it is transparent. I also think that if Gregg says “no” that Obama will “express frustration” with the Republicans lack of bipartisanship.

He sees himself as winning either way. It is a partisan move to shift blame for the Pelosi/Reid partisan fest going on.

233 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:19:34pm

re: #215 KarenWI

I’m a little agnostic (bordering on less than thrilled) with Steele. According to his Wiki page he’s said he’ll support a gay marriage ban, opposed to embryonic stem cell research, pro affirmative action. I’ll wait to learn more but for now I’m not so enthusiastic.

234 cathypop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:19:34pm

re: #230 albusteve

that is totally disgusting…I love it….


The guys I showed it to immediately grabbed their balls. Hillarious

235 Salem  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:19:39pm

I don’t think Guantanamo will get closed. The prisoners will get wind of how easy they have it there compared to the slammer the rest of us have nightmares about getting thrown into and they’ll insist on staying. And their bellboy Obama will acquiesce and the media will blame it all on Bush. Everyone’s happy except the lefty seethers, and the worm is liable to turn on them in the not too distant future.

These jihadis who surredndered are mostly puny, weak and stupid and they will be afforded no special privileges in the mainland clinks and the other inmates will make a sport of who can stick a shiv in one of them first. They’ll be held in solitary confinement around the clock and if they get any special treatment the general prison population with threaten riots.

No way it will happen.

236 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:20:19pm

re: #205 vagabond trader

I wouldn’t put it past the greasy bastard.

237 Kragar  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:20:32pm

I’m wondering if their is such a thing as nudist spelunking.

238 rightymouse  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:20:36pm

re: #204 avanti

A right wing Catch 22. The doctors wanted to abort some of the fetuses very early and she refused. Of course the doctors could not have implanted eight in the first place. Even then, you have extra fertilized eggs to deal with.

Does not a woman have the right to choose? You lefty types don’t seem to ‘get’ what your own mantra means when a woman actually chooses to have children, rather than getting rid of them in the womb. You can question her judgement all day long as to whether it was prudent for her to do so, but that’s still her choice. Right?

239 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:20:42pm

re: #195 vagabond trader

They were willfully ignorant. I put the blame squarely on our educational system. The last 40 years has churned out far too many knee jerk spoon fed pc know nothings, encouraged to remain “children” until they are in their 30s and 40s.

Bullseye. And that’s the hardest thing to reverse although there are enough facts just off the top of my head that we could start challenging the Democrats on every day. For example:
1) Every single major city public school district is run by democrats and has been, seemingly forever.
2) Graduation rates and go to college rates are abysmal in those very same school districts
3) Per capita student expenditures are among the highest in the developed world yet the results rank us near the bottom in 1) and 2) above
4) Just how much freakin’ money does it take to teach Algebra? Or English? How expensive is chalk, exactly?
5) Democrats are in charge of all of this and have screwed it up worse than if we’d put our school system in charge of a hostile foreign power.

I know I’m simplifying but these are simple to understand, irrefutable facts and we need to start flinging this in the libtards faces every chance we get.
And there’s an added bonus - most of these questions will fit on a goddammed bumper sticker so even the half asleep sheep out there can understand it…….

The bottom line we need to ask is “if ya really give a shit about the children then answer me those questions”. And we need to ask them every day….
Harumph!

240 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:20:51pm

re: #227 eschew_obfuscation

I agree in principle, but one of the problems is that men have almost no say in what happens to children they foster….. everything is the mother’s choice. If a man fosters a child out of wedlock (first moral problem), he has no say about abortion, keeping the child, or putting it up for adoption, but is forced by law to pay for it.

That’s the flip side that needs to be changed, I agree on that. There are natural consequences to doing the hoky poky. We’d be far better off holding folks responsible. Too many ways to skate on that responsibility.

241 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:21:04pm

re: #232 karmic_inquisitor

I think it is transparent. I also think that if Gregg says “no” that Obama will “express frustration” with the Republicans lack of bipartisanship.

He sees himself as winning either way. It is a partisan move to shift blame for the Pelosi/Reid partisan fest going on.

I just don’t want the Republicans to lose the filibuster that they currently have just as they are in the process of growing a spine.

242 cathypop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:21:16pm

re: #232 karmic_inquisitor

I think it is transparent. I also think that if Gregg says “no” that Obama will “express frustration” with the Republicans lack of bipartisanship.

He sees himself as winning either way. It is a partisan move to shift blame for the Pelosi/Reid partisan fest going on.

So now it makes sense. He is trying to get as many Republicans on his side so when things go to hell it is their fault not the great O shits

243 Catttt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:21:26pm

re: #219 snowcrash

This is TOTALLY TOTALLY speculation but the story makes more sense if she was attempting to be a surrogate for someone and it fell through. Seems too hard for a single mom to raise 14 chidren, 8 of which are newborns.

I don’t understand why they emplanted eight embryos. I read somewhere that two is usually the max. Obviously, not all planted embryos will take, but the woman can always try again.

I guess there are no rules, but it sounds like a really stupid thing for the doctors to have done.

244 cathypop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:22:11pm

re: #237 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m wondering if their is such a thing as nudist spelunking.

Worked in the magazine section for Barnes and Noble and yes there is. Also family nudist camping

245 freetoken  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:22:27pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout

The Dogmas of the Holy Republican Empire are not to be refuted!

Face it… party leaders are there to organize fund raising, not to delve into the deeper policy issues of the day.

Steele will say what he has to in order to get donors to send money.

246 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:22:44pm

re: #200 JCM

Family’s under $80,000 can put their kids on it now. I know that. Employers will push people to put their kids on SCHIP.

Socialism isn’t creeping, it’s galloping.

jcm -

No kidding - S-CHIP - a REPUBLICAN CONCEPT - was set up to allow “working poor” families to insure their children at minimal or NO cost. A bit of Bismarck’s “Barracks Socialism” to be sure - AND - not a bad thing in a time where the old “Social Contract” of Employer Provided Health Insurance is breaking down.
Thing is - the “Plan” was created to help Children of $0 - $20 - 30,000/year earners to insure their kids, as they were in the 1960’s - 70’s - NOT to advance a “Socialized Medicine” agenda. Seems to me that NO Good Deed goes UNPUNISHED.

-S-

247 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:22:47pm

re: #237 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m wondering if their is such a thing as nudist spelunking.

Well they got nude bungie jumping…

248 Soona'  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:22:47pm

re: #216 albusteve

small kids are the ideal stature for picking lettuce

And blueberries.

249 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:22:47pm

re: #240 JCM

That’s the flip side that needs to be changed, I agree on that. There are natural consequences to doing the hoky poky. We’d be far better off holding folks responsible. Too many ways to skate on that responsibility.

Hear! Hear!

250 mean Gene  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:22:56pm

re: #243 Catttt

I don’t understand why they emplanted eight embryos. I read somewhere that two is usually the max. Obviously, not all planted embryos will take, but the woman can always try again.

I guess there are no rules, but it sounds like a really stupid thing for the doctors to have done.

And I read in another place that she might have caused the whole thing herself by taking fertility drugs and throwing that many eggs out in one cycle.
She sure wanted the multiple babies.

251 rightymouse  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:22:58pm

Back on topic. Good for Colonel Pohl!

252 Kragar  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:23:56pm

re: #247 Dustyvet

Well they got nude bungie jumping…

Nudist Luge?

253 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:24:02pm

re: #220 karmic_inquisitor

My sister in law lives in one of those FL nudist “resorts.” I don’t care what they do but it has really shut her only living blood relatives out. My husband would not be caught dead visiting her. I spent years as a nurse looking at the ruins of human bodies, why would you want to do it for leisure. Blecch.

254 screaming_eagle  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:24:19pm

re: #239 LGoPs

4) Just how much freakin’ money does it take to teach Algebra? Or English? How expensive is chalk, exactly?

Teach English in this country? Shame on you. You know better. Don’t worry about English.

You need to learn Spanish

Thus sayith the One.

255 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:24:34pm

re: #251 rightymouse

Back on topic. Good for Colonel Pohl!

(One more and you have 15,000 comments!) (I just wanted to see your mouse.)

256 Soona'  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:24:56pm

re: #225 Jetpilot1101

OT: Apologize if this has been discussed but what do you all think of Obama trying to get Judd Gregg to be the commerce secretary? The Dem governor there would appoint a dem there and the Republicans would lose any hope of a filibuster. I hope Gregg doesn’t accept but I think he will.

I think that is exactly why zero is offering the position.

257 albusteve  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:25:06pm

re: #248 Soona’

And blueberries.

blue berries would be perfect for preteens….but I get you…teach them to swim and they can herd cranberries as well…a twofer

258 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:25:31pm

re: #194 lobo91

Nope. Sorry, but you’re mistaken.

He can no more order the military judge to do something in that case than he can order a federal district court judge to do something.

The chain of command doesn’t extend to courtroom proceedings. If it did, there would be no point in having judges (military or otherwise). The president could just order them to rule however he wanted.

I’m no legal expert but I have sat on a couple of courts martial and you are correct. There is to be no command interference on the legal proceedings, whatsoever.
That was always made abundantly clear.

259 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:25:54pm

re: #242 cathypop

So now it makes sense. He is trying to get as many Republicans on his side so when things go to hell it is their fault not the great O shits

It quite obvious that Obama is playing a little game of CYA, especially with this “porkulus” bill. It’s not a question of IF, it’s a question of WHEN will the economy head straight into the toilet because of this bill. Obama needs to be able to blame someone else besides his inept party or else he is toast in 2012. Personally, I think the dems will be toast in 2010 largely due to the “porkulus” bill, but I’m not going to count my chickens just yet.

260 wolfie  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:25:59pm

re: #204 avanti

Not a Catholic Catch 22. We go in for asexual reproduction in the first place.

261 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:26:31pm

re: #257 albusteve

blue berries would be perfect for preteens….but I get you…teach them to swim and they can herd cranberries as well…a twofer

LOL,
you’re funny this evening.

262 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:26:38pm

re: #245 freetoken

You’re probably right. It’s not really a big deal but I’m having a hard time getting excited about anything the Republican party is doing these days.

263 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:26:54pm

re: #252 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nudist Luge?

Definition of cold:
Stainless steel toilet seat on the shady side of an iceberg.

264 Kragar  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:26:54pm

re: #258 LGoPs

I’m no legal expert but I have sat on a couple of courts martial and you are correct. There is to be no command interference on the legal proceedings, whatsoever.
That was always made abundantly clear.

Any proceeding even suspected of that could be argued as a mistrial

265 Racer X  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:27:09pm

re: #243 Catttt

I don’t understand why they emplanted eight embryos. I read somewhere that two is usually the max. Obviously, not all planted embryos will take, but the woman can always try again.

I guess there are no rules, but it sounds like a really stupid thing for the doctors to have done.

Exactly!

We live in the age of “Can we do it? Yes? GO FOR IT!”

Just because we can do something does not mean it is a good idea.

266 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:27:35pm

re: #223 Racer X

The government has programs in place to provide assistance. She cannot be denied that assistance just because she is stupid. Thats what pisses me off.

I hate to take the liberal position, but I don’t think a moral country should allow innocent children to stave because of the stupidity of their mothers. Make sure the money goes to feed the kids, make the parent work if possible, but keep the kids fed.

267 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:27:44pm

re: #257 albusteve

blue berries would be perfect for preteens….but I get you…teach them to swim and they can herd cranberries as well…a twofer

Having mental picture of a cranberry stampede , I’ve seen to many westerns…:) Cranberries will stampede at the slightest sound..

268 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:27:50pm

Well Lizards, I’m signing off for the night. I’m going to take out a little anger and play a few rounds of Warhawk. Enjoy bantering.

269 Catttt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:28:08pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout

I’m a little agnostic (bordering on less than thrilled) with Steele. According to his Wiki page he’s said he’ll support a gay marriage ban, opposed to embryonic stem cell research, pro affirmative action. I’ll wait to learn more but for now I’m not so enthusiastic.

Knowing you, I am sure you will learn more about the man before you make up your mind. Granted, you probably don’t agree with all his stances. However, he is a dynamic, intelligent guy who will focus (IMHO) on revitalizing the GOP so that they - you know - start winning.

270 pink freud  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:28:36pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout

I’m a little agnostic (bordering on less than thrilled) with Steele. According to his Wiki page he’s said he’ll support a gay marriage ban, opposed to embryonic stem cell research, pro affirmative action. I’ll wait to learn more but for now I’m not so enthusiastic.

Steele supports secure borders and opposes amnesty, is against socialized medicine, and is pro-second amendment. His affirmative action stance bothers me.

271 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:28:43pm

re: #265 Racer X

Exactly!

We live in the age of “Can we do it? Yes? GO FOR IT!”

Just because we can do something does not mean it is a good idea.

Also, just because something can be done doesn’t mean a person has a right to it.

As sympathetic as I am to couples hoping to have a child, fertility treatments are elective.

272 rightymouse  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:29:16pm

re: #243 Catttt

I don’t understand why they emplanted eight embryos. I read somewhere that two is usually the max. Obviously, not all planted embryos will take, but the woman can always try again.

I guess there are no rules, but it sounds like a really stupid thing for the doctors to have done.

My SIL had to go through the horrors of fertility drugs (they are really nasty) and implanted embryos. Her doc usually did 4. She went through this twice. The last time she delivered twins. Yayyyyyyy!

273 rwmofo  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:29:26pm

Hey did anyone see this on Drudge?

Gaza Victims Describe How They Were Used as Human Shields

“According to the victims, those who tried to object were shot in the legs by Hamas operatives.”

ROP. Right.

274 albusteve  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:29:38pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

You’re probably right. It’s not really a big deal but I’m having a hard time getting excited about anything the Republican party is doing these days.

that’s fine…you make an excellent barometer being a conservative rather than a Republican myself…imo

275 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:29:45pm

re: #243 Catttt

I don’t understand why they emplanted eight embryos. I read somewhere that two is usually the max. Obviously, not all planted embryos will take, but the woman can always try again.

I guess there are no rules, but it sounds like a really stupid thing for the doctors to have done.

Invitro has a high failure rate. The embroys fail to embed in the uterine wall, fail to develop, etc… they place so many because chances are only one or none survives to full term. Occasionally all survive like this case.

276 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:30:07pm

re: #266 avanti

I hate to take the liberal position, but I don’t think a moral country should allow innocent children to stave because of the stupidity of their mothers. Make sure the money goes to feed the kids, make the parent work if possible, but keep the kids fed.

That isn’t liberal. Most would agree with you. But we still get frustrated it happens and say as much.

277 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:30:11pm

re: #228 vagabond trader

Nah, we’re egalitarian beer folk.Sam’s fine. Hubby likes obscure stuff from England and Scotland.Very yummy.

I’ve tried a lot of the beer pub stuff, but it’s a bit to heavy on the hops for me. My beer drinking buddy thinks I’m a pussy for not drinking the dark mud he loves.

278 Kragar  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:30:13pm

re: #273 rwmofo

Hey did anyone see this on Drudge?

Gaza Victims Describe How They Were Used as Human Shields

“According to the victims, those who tried to object were shot in the legs by Hamas operatives.”

ROP. Right.

Jimmah Cartah could not be reached for comments.

279 Racer X  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:30:15pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

You’re probably right. It’s not really a big deal but I’m having a hard time getting excited about anything the Republican party is doing these days.

Ya think?

Bending over and lubing up for the “Porkulus” package? Where are the Republicans with stones?

280 albusteve  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:30:15pm

re: #261 nyc redneck

LOL,
you’re funny this evening.

I’m pissed…

281 Soona'  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:30:28pm

re: #270 pink freud

Steele supports secure borders and opposes amnesty, is against socialized medicine, and is pro-second amendment. His affirmative action stance bothers me.

If he’s strong on the first two, then I’ll give him some leeway on the third.

282 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:31:38pm

re: #266 avanti

I hate to take the liberal position, but I don’t think a moral country should allow innocent children to stave because of the stupidity of their mothers. Make sure the money goes to feed the kids, make the parent work if possible, but keep the kids fed.

A country’s morality has nothing to do with it. It is not a government’s job to raise children.

Private charities may help. The woman’s family may help. The woman may choose to put them up for adoption.

283 Racer X  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:31:42pm

re: #266 avanti

I hate to take the liberal position, but I don’t think a moral country should allow innocent children to starve because of the stupidity of their mothers. Make sure the money goes to feed the kids, make the parent work if possible, but keep the kids fed.

I don’t disagree. Doesn’t make it right. There should be consequences for the parents.

284 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:32:03pm

re: #277 avanti

I’ve tried a lot of the beer pub stuff, but it’s a bit to heavy on the hops for me. My beer drinking buddy thinks I’m a pussy for not drinking the dark mud he loves.

I’ve got some dark mud lined up for the FNDT!
Kona Brewing Pipeline Porter!

285 Sheepdogess  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:32:05pm

Tre: #210 ploome hineni

re: #175 JCM

Six kids, and sought out fertility treatments?
*sigh*

I believe the grandfather is the father. Islamic breeding.

Maybe this Dr. has some answers? He is the fertility expert at Bellflower.

[Link: health.kaiserpermanente.org…]

The MSM however, is still prattling on about Callie Anthony…..

286 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:32:07pm

re: #279 Racer X

I don’t really blame them, there’s not much they could do to stop it anyways. Bush would probably be doing the same thing right now if he was still in office.

287 wolfie  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:33:02pm

re: #260 wolfie
re: #260 wolfie

Not a Catholic Catch 22. We DON’T go in for asexual reproduction in the first place.

That was a funny typo! :)

288 Soona'  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:33:25pm

re: #281 Soona’

If he’s strong on the first two, then I’ll give him some leeway on the third.


Sorry. Strong on the first three, leeway on the fourth.
/i wint to publick skooll.

289 Catttt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:34:20pm

re: #275 JCM

Invitro has a high failure rate. The embroys fail to embed in the uterine wall, fail to develop, etc… they place so many because chances are only one or none survives to full term. Occasionally all survive like this case.

I understand that, but I think it is wrong to do that.

290 rightymouse  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:34:26pm

re: #255 wrenchwench

(One more and you have 15,000 comments!) (I just wanted to see your mouse.)


And here we go? lol!

/will have to check my own profile here.

291 albusteve  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:34:27pm

re: #266 avanti

I hate to take the liberal position, but I don’t think a moral country should allow innocent children to stave because of the stupidity of their mothers. Make sure the money goes to feed the kids, make the parent work if possible, but keep the kids fed.

why is that a liberal position?…are you implying conservatives allow children to go hungry?…and if you are right why do you hate your position?….have you been drinking Belchanfartin again?

292 Racer X  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:35:00pm

re: #286 Killgore Trout

I don’t really blame them, there’s not much they could do to stop it anyways. Bush would probably be doing the same thing right now if he was still in office.

Hard to say if he would. He did open the floodgates though - based on the expert opinions of his “advisers”. Wait a minute - where have we heard that before?

293 Catttt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:35:01pm

re: #287 wolfie

re: #260 wolfie

That was a funny typo! :)

Thanks for the clarification. I was confused - thought to myself - did I not get the memo? ? ? :D

294 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:35:45pm

re: #239 LGoPs

The Obama’s biggest supporters were the teachers unions. Chicago, where his Sec of Ed is from,has an abysmal dropout rate, not to mention literacy.Solution, throw more money at it, 0 accountability.

Our small middle class town in CT is one of the few I know of here which routinely denies the school budget as presented.We have decent results. Amazing what can be achieved with supervision and self restraint.

295 rightymouse  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:35:52pm

re: #283 Racer X

I don’t disagree. Doesn’t make it right. There should be consequences for the parents.

The only consequence should be that the parents take responsibility for their own choices. There’s a family that’s been in the news a lot where they just had their 18th child. They don’t live on welfare.

296 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:35:54pm

Obama says will reverse Bush labor policies

U.S. President Barack Obama pledged on Friday to reverse labor policies from his Republican predecessor, George W. Bush, that unions have long contended favored employers over workers.
….
“Labor is not part of the problem, it is part of the solution,” he said to loud applause from an audience that included representatives of labor unions and business groups.
….
The first of the three executive orders will prevent taxpayer funds being used to reimburse federal contractors who spend money “trying to influence the formation of unions.”

A second will require federal contractors to inform employees of their rights under the National Labor Relations Act. A third will ensure that qualified workers keep their jobs even when a federal contract changes hands.

So that means that employers can’t downsize their workforce if they lose a big government contract. This isn’t going to go well.

297 cathypop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:36:23pm

re: #259 Jetpilot1101

It quite obvious that Obama is playing a little game of CYA, especially with this “porkulus” bill. It’s not a question of IF, it’s a question of WHEN will the economy head straight into the toilet because of this bill. Obama needs to be able to blame someone else besides his inept party or else he is toast in 2012. Personally, I think the dems will be toast in 2010 largely due to the “porkulus” bill, but I’m not going to count my chickens just yet.

EXACTLY!

298 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:36:44pm

re: #290 rightymouse

And here we go? lol!

/will have to check my own profile here.

It went. It was #272. Congratulations!

299 wolfie  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:36:55pm

re: #293 Catttt

LOL ! Well, my kids probably think that’s true of their parents!
(Just as I did w/ mine when I was very young!)

300 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:37:01pm

I know a.) a family with quads. Just the quads, nothing else. b.)a family with 13 children—born over 20-odd years, so that at no time did they all live at home.

Based on what I have seen, money aside, I have no clue how they are going to provide the physical care these children need. Both families I listed above have invested jaw-dropping amounts of time over the years providing the necessary level of feeding, bathing, holding while crying, keeping them from killing themselves as toddlers, etc. Unless the family home includes a lot of adults—three or four minimum—with time to spare, these children will not receive the minimum amount of care a human infant requires.

Yes, both families I mentioned are doing, and have done, an excellent job of caring for their children.

301 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:37:03pm

re: #291 albusteve

why is that a liberal position?…are you implying conservatives allow children to go hungry?…and if you are right why do you hate your position?….have you been drinking Belchanfartin again?

Well that sums up Progressive bigotry about “the right wing” pretty well.

Then they go on about “not living in fear”.

Talk about irrational fears borne out of complete ignorance manifested as bigotry.

302 BingoBunny  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:37:49pm

Since this has become a 14 kids vs state discussion I’ll add my view

Sure she has a right to birth as many bastard kids as she wants.. she should also provide for them.. I recall a movie where the heroine says she was a prostitute from age 14 and her 12 brothers and sisters never went hungry.. was a cowboy movie.. not that this woman should be a prostitute, but it’s her choice to make more.. it should be her paying the bill.. hundreds of families choose not to have more children when paying for the ones they have is a income buster.. but it looks like they are going to be taxed to pay for the ones who can’t/won’t pay.

I also recall a black man who lived down road from my uncles farm.. he raised 14 kids in a one room house in the 40’s and 50’s, the oldest 3 or 4 joined military and send money home the youngest son went on to become a vice president in GE.. no help from taxpayers.. you can work for what you want.. but only if you work.

/lets make productive families increase in number, and stop supporting un productive ones..

303 Bloodnok  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:38:05pm

re: #284 JCM

I’ve got some dark mud lined up for the FNDT!
Kona Brewing Pipeline Porter!

That sounds so damn good.

304 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:38:25pm

re: #296 Killgore Trout

Obama says will reverse Bush labor policies

So that means that employers can’t downsize their workforce if they lose a big government contract. This isn’t going to go well.

Dude.

What did you do on election day again?

305 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:38:29pm

re: #291 albusteve

why is that a liberal position?…are you implying conservatives allow children to go hungry?…and if you are right why do you hate your position?….have you been drinking Belchanfartin again?

Hey, I’m just learning your position, some conservatives are very much against tax payer funded family assistance.

306 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:38:52pm

re: #266 avanti

I hate to take the liberal position, but I don’t think a moral country should allow innocent children to stave because of the stupidity of their mothers. Make sure the money goes to feed the kids, make the parent work if possible, but keep the kids fed.

We don’t let kids starve, agreed. All options should be exhausted, family, friends, faith or cultural community. Before the taxpayers are saddled with the care and feeding of children.

The problem it is too easy, father a kid, walk away. There are no consequences.
Get pregnant, no problem we’ll all foot the bill for 18 years and 9 months.

Before we pay for all these kids we as a society need to hold the parents accountable, and make them act like parents. Not just hand out goodies. If they can’t or won’t be responsible there should be a downside, not a check.

307 Empire1  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:39:11pm

I think I just heard on Fox that Juggy wants to cut the Pentagon budget over 10%. Did anyone else hear this, or am I — I hope! — hallucinating?

308 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:39:25pm

re: #304 karmic_inquisitor

Sat home and got drunk. Why do you ask?

309 albusteve  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:39:46pm

re: #301 karmic_inquisitor

Well that sums up Progressive bigotry about “the right wing” pretty well.

Then they go on about “not living in fear”.

Talk about irrational fears borne out of complete ignorance manifested as bigotry.

it’s just wordy bullshit…and disingenuous

310 soccerdad  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:39:47pm

Well, Colonel, this will be the end of the promotions. General? Nah…we’ll pass.

But Good on ya!

311 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:39:53pm

re: #307 Empire1

I think I just heard on Fox that Juggy wants to cut the Pentagon budget over 10%. Did anyone else hear this, or am I — I hope! — hallucinating?

10% would be way less than his initial campaign pledge.

312 freetoken  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:40:02pm

re: #296 Killgore Trout

Obama says will reverse Bush labor policies

So that means that employers can’t downsize their workforce if they lose a big government contract. This isn’t going to go well.

Not sure it means exactly that. It was not unusual, years ago (when I experienced this), that when a gov’t contract ended and the follow-up contract was awarded to a competing company, a large group of employees would simply move to the new company. In other words, the worker-bees often just kept doing the same work, but now their paycheck had a different logo on it.

That was years ago. I do not know if and how that morphed under GWB. If Obama is merely re-instating the old method then I understand his actions. If it is something new I’m at a loss….

313 NYCHardhat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:40:03pm

hey all

314 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:40:10pm

re: #303 Bloodnok

That sounds so damn good.

I give my review tonight!

315 Kragar  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:40:41pm

re: #296 Killgore Trout

Obama says will reverse Bush labor policies


So that means that employers can’t downsize their workforce if they lose a big government contract. This isn’t going to go well.

Well, in my case, hopefully that means that the people currently working on a contract have first shot at getting hired if a new company takes over the management of a contract. The government contract I’m working on comes up for renewal next year.

316 cathypop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:40:43pm

re: #302 BingoBunny

Since this has become a 14 kids vs state discussion I’ll add my view

Sure she has a right to birth as many bastard kids as she wants.. she should also provide for them.. I recall a movie where the heroine says she was a prostitute from age 14 and her 12 brothers and sisters never went hungry.. was a cowboy movie.. not that this woman should be a prostitute, but it’s her choice to make more.. it should be her paying the bill.. hundreds of families choose not to have more children when paying for the ones they have is a income buster.. but it looks like they are going to be taxed to pay for the ones who can’t/won’t pay.

I also recall a black man who lived down road from my uncles farm.. he raised 14 kids in a one room house in the 40’s and 50’s, the oldest 3 or 4 joined military and send money home the youngest son went on to become a vice president in GE.. no help from taxpayers.. you can work for what you want.. but only if you work.

/lets make productive families increase in number, and stop supporting un productive ones..

Major upding on that

317 wolfie  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:41:08pm

re: #300 EmmmieG

The quads, IMO, would be much harder than the 13 kids.
In larger families, older kids do a lot of the raising, either by teaching the young ones directly or by setting an example…..(hopefully a good one!)

318 NYCHardhat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:41:08pm
319 Kragar  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:41:55pm

re: #312 freetoken

Not sure it means exactly that. It was not unusual, years ago (when I experienced this), that when a gov’t contract ended and the follow-up contract was awarded to a competing company, a large group of employees would simply move to the new company. In other words, the worker-bees often just kept doing the same work, but now their paycheck had a different logo on it.

Gone thru that twice in 7 years now. Same job under 3 different companies.

320 Empire1  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:41:55pm

re: #311 jwb7605

10% would be way less than his initial campaign pledge.

That isn’t at all reassuring, you know.

321 Bloodnok  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:42:40pm

re: #314 JCM

I give my review tonight!

And overnight, and into tomorrow morning if it is made with Kona coffee.

322 Catttt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:42:50pm

re: #305 avanti

Hey, I’m just learning your position, some conservatives are very much against tax payer funded family assistance.

It would be clearer if you recall that it was the liberals who created the welfare state in the first place by giving premiums to women who had children but no man in the house. The number of single parent households with a woman head-of-household skyrocketed. Married couples who were poor and needed help with their family expenses were penalized. All children are precious, but not all children are held to be so by their own parents. Some are brought into the world to earn money for mom.

323 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:42:56pm

re: #302 BingoBunny

Since this has become a 14 kids vs state discussion I’ll add my view

Sure she has a right to birth as many bastard kids as she wants.. she should also provide for them.. I recall a movie where the heroine says she was a prostitute from age 14 and her 12 brothers and sisters never went hungry.. was a cowboy movie.. not that this woman should be a prostitute, but it’s her choice to make more.. it should be her paying the bill.. hundreds of families choose not to have more children when paying for the ones they have is a income buster.. but it looks like they are going to be taxed to pay for the ones who can’t/won’t pay.

I also recall a black man who lived down road from my uncles farm.. he raised 14 kids in a one room house in the 40’s and 50’s, the oldest 3 or 4 joined military and send money home the youngest son went on to become a vice president in GE.. no help from taxpayers.. you can work for what you want.. but only if you work.

/lets make productive families increase in number, and stop supporting un productive ones..

I remember a story awhile back. Both parents of a bunch of kids took off, the oldest brother stepped up went work and took care of them. He didn’t finish high school, but all his siblings went to college, he made sure of that.

324 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:42:59pm

re: #312 freetoken

….when a gov’t contract ended and the follow-up contract was awarded to a competing company, a large group of employees would simply move to the new company. In other words, the worker-bees often just kept doing the same work, but now their paycheck had a different logo on it.


Ah, that makes sense. I was thinking it was like French employment laws where once you hire somebody you cannot fire them if business slows down. Your explanation makes much more sense.

325 Racer X  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:43:05pm

re: #304 karmic_inquisitor

Dude.

What did you do on election day again?

McCain was not perfect enough. For many. Sadly, he looks better and better every day.

326 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:43:30pm

re: #302 BingoBunny

Since this has become a 14 kids vs state discussion I’ll add my view

Sure she has a right to birth as many bastard kids as she wants.. she should also provide for them.. I recall a movie where the heroine says she was a prostitute from age 14 and her 12 brothers and sisters never went hungry.. was a cowboy movie.. not that this woman should be a prostitute, but it’s her choice to make more.. it should be her paying the bill.. hundreds of families choose not to have more children when paying for the ones they have is a income buster.. but it looks like they are going to be taxed to pay for the ones who can’t/won’t pay.

I also recall a black man who lived down road from my uncles farm.. he raised 14 kids in a one room house in the 40’s and 50’s, the oldest 3 or 4 joined military and send money home the youngest son went on to become a vice president in GE.. no help from taxpayers.. you can work for what you want.. but only if you work.

/lets make productive families increase in number, and stop supporting un productive ones..

it is amazing how quickly gov’t has corrupted society by making irresponsibility
a financially lucrative thing. that’s how gov’t grows. and creeps toward socialism.

327 rightymouse  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:43:32pm

re: #266 avanti

I hate to take the liberal position, but I don’t think a moral country should allow innocent children to stave because of the stupidity of their mothers. Make sure the money goes to feed the kids, make the parent work if possible, but keep the kids fed.

There are lots of services/agencies that already provide for poor judgement calls on the part of people who have children and cannot afford to take care of them. It’s not my fault or your fault that this happens. Government should not be involved. If anything, they just muck things up. That said, if you feel compelled, go volunteer at a shelter. Make yourself useful.

328 Soona'  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:43:41pm

re: #305 avanti

Hey, I’m just learning your position, some conservatives are very much against tax payer funded family assistance.

This used to be the duty and function of church charities. Except somewhere along the line some screaming moonbat liberal thought that it hurt the pride of the recipient to call it charity.

329 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:43:45pm

re: #315 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ah thanks, I get it now.

330 NYCHardhat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:43:48pm

re: #325 Racer X

McCain was not perfect enough. For many. Sadly, he looks better and better every day.

I knew he would. Even though he was such a shitty GOP pick.

331 itellu3times  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:43:48pm

re: #15 lobo91

No, he won’t.

When I asked if we’d discussed this yesterday, that was a rhetorical question. I was in the middle of the discussion.

He is well within his rights to refuse to grant the administration’s request.

That’s crazy.

If he was so gung-ho, he should have got these guys tried and executed three years ago.

332 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:43:52pm

re: #321 Bloodnok

And overnight, and into tomorrow morning if it is made with Kona coffee.

Should be an interesting combo, beer and coffee buzz…..

Maybe the Iron Fist rule needs an amendment.

333 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:44:21pm

re: #308 Killgore Trout

Sat home and got drunk. Why do you ask?

It isn’t going to go well because different groups of people decided to let him run the show. Passively, but they let it happen. Knowing that he had absolutely no experience in an executive capacity and has spent his entire adulthood supporting “compassionate” feel good nuttery.

I’d love to ban hunger and unemployment. I’d love to ban illness and death. Reality demands a different response. Sorry - I was not one to unload on you after the election, but I feel compelled to chime in now - you got what you asked for. As did the “McCain fails my conservatism test” fools who stayed home.

Yes we can? Yes you did.

334 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:44:33pm

re: #320 Empire1

That isn’t at all reassuring, you know.

Tell that to my son in the Marines.
Provide a link, and I’ll e-mail it to him.
The big question is whether pay increases will stop, whether the number of military personnel decreases, or whether equipment no longer gets updated.

#3 would be invisible to the public and a bad thing for the users.

335 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:44:36pm

re: #317 wolfie

The quads, IMO, would be much harder than the 13 kids.
In larger families, older kids do a lot of the raising, either by teaching the young ones directly or by setting an example…..(hopefully a good one!)

Totally agreed. I was the second of seven, so yes, older kids do a lot. Then again, I have terrific siblings, so I’ve told my parents I’ve already received an inheritance.

336 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:44:40pm

re: #319 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gone thru that twice in 7 years now. Same job under 3 different companies.

I didn’t even move my desk last time. Same desk, same office, same work, different coffee cup.

337 rightymouse  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:44:51pm

re: #298 wrenchwench

It went. It was #272. Congratulations!

Thanky! :)

338 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:45:06pm

re: #294 vagabond trader

The Obama’s biggest supporters were the teachers unions. Chicago, where his Sec of Ed is from,has an abysmal dropout rate, not to mention literacy.Solution, throw more money at it, 0 accountability.

Our small middle class town in CT is one of the few I know of here which routinely denies the school budget as presented.We have decent results. Amazing what can be achieved with supervision and self restraint.

I love teachers. My wife’s mother and all our friends were teachers in the LAUSD. Most of them retired early out of disgust for how things had deteriorated.
You are correct - it is the unions that are the enemy. They siphon off all the money and then disingenuously keep coming back telling us we need to ‘support the children’.
They don’t give a rat’s ass about the children……
Another interesting comparison was a study done several years ago comparing the Archdiocese of Chicago and the Chicago Public schools. In all the compared categories…academic results, graduation rates, go to college rates, the Archdiocese cleaned the public schools clocks. But the most interesting comparison was in the area of Administrators. The Archdiocese had 33 (as in thirty three) while Chicago Public had over 30,000 as I recall.
Bottom line is we need to get rid of those fat bloated bureaucracies and focus on the kids….and the teachers. I don’t begrudge paying them…hell they need big raises. I begrudge paying the unions and then being constantly told that I’m miserly…….
Bastards.

339 Catttt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:45:14pm

re: #332 JCM

Should be an interesting combo, beer and coffee buzz…..

Maybe the Iron Fist rule needs an amendment.

There’s nothing like a wide awake drunk……

340 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:45:51pm

re: #270 pink freud

Affirmitive Action is unconstitutional IMHO because it is a de facto title of nobility, conferring unmerited advantages due to an accident of birth.

Titles of nobility are not allowed under Article one, section 9.

It was wise not to allow them, you see the corrosive effect on the body politic when a de facto title has been allowed to operate for some time.

341 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:45:51pm

re: #325 Racer X

I’m not so sure about that. I’m still plenty worried about Obama but he’s shaping up a lot better than I thought he would.

342 Kragar  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:46:05pm

re: #336 Silhouette

I didn’t even move my desk last time. Same desk, same office, same work, different coffee cup.

I had to log onto different sites to update timecards and change my voicemail the last time

343 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:46:08pm

re: #334 jwb7605

Tell that to my son in the Marines.
Provide a link, and I’ll e-mail it to him.
The big question is whether pay increases will stop, whether the number of military personnel decreases, or whether equipment no longer gets updated.

#3 would be invisible to the public and a bad thing for the users.

[Link: www.military.com…]

344 freetoken  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:46:35pm

re: #324 Killgore Trout

It still is not clear to me though exactly what the new blurb you mentioned is about. As Kragar and I describe is a common practice, but it may not controlled by regulations or explicitly in laws. I do not know.

345 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:46:37pm

“Earlier this week, Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned two congressional defense committees that “one thing we have known for many months is that the spigot of defense spending that opened on 9/11 is closing.”

Defense
spending.

346 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:46:39pm

re: #339 Catttt

There’s nothing like a wide awake drunk……

Oh no.

Passing out is the best thing they do. Then I don’t have to deal with them anymore.

347 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:46:46pm

re: #305 avanti

Hey, I’m just learning your position, some conservatives are very much against tax payer funded family assistance.

Assistance when the need is there. But not open ended life time assistance, regardless of poor decisions made by the recipients.

I’d rather take the single mom, pay for day care and college for 4 years and say okay, you’ve got the skills you need; that’s it no more. Than the open ended stuff we have today.

348 cathypop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:46:52pm

re: #341 Killgore Trout

I’m not so sure about that. I’m still plenty worried about Obama but he’s shaping up a lot better than I thought he would.


WHAT?

349 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:47:19pm

re: #342 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I had to log onto different sites to update timecards and change my voicemail the last time

Uphill, both ways!

;-)

350 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:47:22pm

Troops in Iraq Face Pay Cut
Pentagon says tough duty bonuses are budget-buster


[Link: www.commondreams.org…]

351 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:47:26pm
352 NYCHardhat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:47:41pm

re: #348 cathypop

WHAT?

I was about to say that.

353 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:47:44pm

re: #345 avanti

“Earlier this week, Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned two congressional defense committees that “one thing we have known for many months is that the spigot of defense spending that opened on 9/11 is closing.”

Defense
spending.

Defense, one of the few Constitutionally mandated duties of the federal government.

354 Racer X  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:47:54pm

I wrote both Senators and my Congressman and told them NOT to vote for the Porkulus package. I explained that if they did so it would doom Obama to failure and open the door to Republicans taking back the White House in 2012.

I know that is a super secret strategy that McCain implemented, but I had to let the cat out of the bag. There is too much at stake.

If Obama fails we all go down. He cannot be allowed to spend America into oblivion.

355 Catttt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:47:54pm

re: #341 Killgore Trout

I’m not so sure about that. I’m still plenty worried about Obama but he’s shaping up a lot better than I thought he would.

God, you are drunk, aren’t you.

356 albusteve  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:48:12pm

re: #305 avanti

Hey, I’m just learning your position, some conservatives are very much against tax payer funded family assistance.

it’s a worn out old meme that conservatives induce then ignore suffering…but I’m not insulted considering the source…

357 LGoPs  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:48:47pm

re: #306 JCM

We don’t let kids starve, agreed. All options should be exhausted, family, friends, faith or cultural community. Before the taxpayers are saddled with the care and feeding of children.

The problem it is too easy, father a kid, walk away. There are no consequences.
Get pregnant, no problem we’ll all foot the bill for 18 years and 9 months.

Before we pay for all these kids we as a society need to hold the parents accountable, and make them act like parents. Not just hand out goodies. If they can’t or won’t be responsible there should be a downside, not a check.

I figure if I’m forced to pay to support someone else’s kids and the father is a deadbeat then I should have conjugal rights………
/only half kidding

358 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:48:50pm

re: #333 karmic_inquisitor

you got what you asked for. As did the “McCain fails my conservatism test” fools who stayed home.

Yes we can? Yes you did.


I don’t regret my decision at all. Knowing what I know now I might have even voted for Obama. McCain/Palin was a disastrous ticket for me and Obama is doing ok so far. I have my complaints but I think I made the right choice.

359 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:49:02pm

re: #350 Dustyvet

Troops in Iraq Face Pay Cut
Pentagon says tough duty bonuses are budget-buster

[Link: www.commondreams.org…]

Military Update: Some still face cut if special pay rolled back

[Link: www.stripes.com…]

360 Silhouette  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:49:07pm

What you reward, you get more of.

What you punish, you get less of.

It is really rather simple.

361 NYCHardhat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:49:20pm

re: #358 Killgore Trout

I don’t regret my decision at all. Knowing what I know now I might have even voted for Obama. McCain/Palin was a disastrous ticket for me and Obama is doing ok so far. I have my complaints but I think I made the right choice.

I need a beer.

362 cathypop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:49:20pm

re: #355 Catttt

God, you are drunk, aren’t you.


Shaping into what? A pile of expensive shit?

363 wolfie  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:49:22pm

re: #335 EmmmieG

If you are the 2nd oldest of seven and have terrific siblings, you can thank God…….but you can also give yourself a little pat on the back! :)

364 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:49:33pm

re: #339 Catttt

There’s nothing like a wide awake drunk……

I’m a serious light weight, one, two max is my limit. Besides I rather enjoy one really good beer, than knock back a bunch I won’t taste after the second.

365 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:49:35pm

re: #345 avanti

“Earlier this week, Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned two congressional defense committees that “one thing we have known for many months is that the spigot of defense spending that opened on 9/11 is closing.”

Defense
spending.

How have Democrats allowed that? Doesn’t that destroy jobs? I know fighting terror with weapons is no longer fashionable, but I keep hearing about how ACORN will be getting a few billion along with others to create silly, non productive jobs. Might as well by some weapons systems if we are just going to spend money to keep people busy.

366 Empire1  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:49:44pm

re: #334 jwb7605

Tell that to my son in the Marines.
Provide a link, and I’ll e-mail it to him.
The big question is whether pay increases will stop, whether the number of military personnel decreases, or whether equipment no longer gets updated.

#3 would be invisible to the public and a bad thing for the users.

I wish I could, but I was just coming back from the kitchen with a sandwich, and sitting down at my desk when I heard it on Fox. I think the reporter mentioned it would be made public Monday, but I can’t be positive.

Give your son a “Semper Fi!” from this former Marine, please!

367 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:49:55pm
368 Racer X  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:50:01pm

re: #341 Killgore Trout

I’m not so sure about that. I’m still plenty worried about Obama but he’s shaping up a lot better than I thought he would.

In what way?

369 rightymouse  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:50:01pm

re: #341 Killgore Trout

I’m not so sure about that. I’m still plenty worried about Obama but he’s shaping up a lot better than I thought he would.

Must be the White House gym.

370 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:50:38pm

re: #355 Catttt

Nope, I haven’t even started. Happy hour starts in about 10 minutes.

371 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:50:44pm

re: #338 LGoPs

The worst thing about teacher unions is their protecting bad teachers instead of booting them out of the profession.

A few years ago, a colleague wasn’t doing his part in a huge interdisciplinary project. We other teachers talked to him, told him what he was responsible for, but he ignored us. We went to our principal, but our reps smacked our hands for going to admin. I told her that I would NEVER protect a bad teacher. She had no reply to that.

The teacher moved on to another district at the end of the year.

372 Soona'  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:50:47pm

re: #341 Killgore Trout

I’m not so sure about that. I’m still plenty worried about Obama but he’s shaping up a lot better than I thought he would.

{cough, cough, sputter} {self deleted}

373 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:50:59pm

re: #97 JCM

BHO dictating to the military and the economy…..

Obama says will reverse Bush labor policies

Scary.

Labor Unions are so unnecessary. They kill competition and suck dry most businesses they touch. but for some reason, union workers are happy to sign up and have money removed from their paychecks to pay for their union boss superiors.

374 Catttt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:51:04pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

Nope, I haven’t even started. Happy hour starts in about 10 minutes.

Perhaps a little booze will clear your head!

375 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:51:22pm

re: #357 LGoPs

I figure if I’m forced to pay to support someone else’s kids and the father is a deadbeat then I should have conjugal rights………
/only half kidding

LOL!
If they’re on the dole maybe some bureaucratic should have prima nocta rights.
//

376 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:51:50pm

re: #343 Dustyvet

[Link: www.military.com…]

Thanks! Link sent. My son is a Staff Sergeant. His wife is living here in Colorado, since he deployed. New baby (new granddaughter!).
This is going to hurt.

377 Catttt  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:51:51pm
It’s all about the O.

The O is so very scary.

378 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:52:11pm

re: #373 FrogMarch

Scary.

Labor Unions are so unnecessary. They kill competition and suck dry most businesses they touch. but for some reason, union workers are happy to sign up and have money removed from their paychecks to pay for their union boss superiors.

Worse if card check passes.

379 markie  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:52:18pm

It’s an arraignment for crying out loud, not a trial.

“The commission is bound by the law as it currently exists not as it may change in the future.”

Damn straight. And Obama should know that.

380 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:52:22pm

re: #356 albusteve

it’s a worn out old meme that conservatives induce then ignore suffering…but I’m not insulted considering the source…

Fair enough, it looks like I owe a apology for my misconception and you have it. It was stated based on a old perception. BTW, I never believed either wing inducing suffering on purpose.

381 NYCHardhat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:52:22pm

The O can kiss my pucker.

382 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:52:28pm
383 cathypop  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:53:08pm

Out of here until tomorrow morning.
Somebody please slap Kilgore upside the head for me. If needed you can borrow my cast iron skillet

384 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:53:13pm

re: #371 goddessoftheclassroom

The worst thing about teacher unions is their protecting bad teachers instead of booting them out of the profession.

A few years ago, a colleague wasn’t doing his part in a huge interdisciplinary project. We other teachers talked to him, told him what he was responsible for, but he ignored us. We went to our principal, but our reps smacked our hands for going to admin. I told her that I would NEVER protect a bad teacher. She had no reply to that.

The teacher moved on to another district at the end of the year.

He was a man?

Then you didn’t solve the fundmental problem.

MWAH!

385 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:53:20pm

Something NOT being taken into consideration about welfare:

The bureaucrats are not interested in helping people get off of welfare. It’s called job security. If a single mother needs some assistance, she’s usually railroaded into complete dependence instead. Perhaps she needs some help with daycare. What she gets is a choice between a waiting list and full welfare. What woman needing to work can wait for help to do so? She has no choice but to accept full welfare when all she needed was some day care assistance.

Don’t be so quick to blame those in need as the system itself is so corrupt as to screw those in need as much as the tax payers.

386 screaming_eagle  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:53:32pm

re: #367 ploome hineni

MSNBC will devote a whole hour to it.

387 vagabond trader  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:54:00pm

re: #338 LGoPs

Sadly, not going to happen with this guy. Worst part is,he’ll force dependency on people who would never have asked for gov handouts.Look at this Schipp plan to cover health insurance for kids in solid middle class income families. I see nothing but giddy,elitist,subversives full steam ahead. Unless the Rs get their act together right quick.

388 nyc redneck  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:54:04pm

my favorite coffee shop and my favorite card/gift shop went out of business this week.
i feel sick to my stomach when i see the empty spaces.

389 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:55:08pm

re: #359 Dustyvet

Military Update: Some still face cut if special pay rolled back

[Link: www.stripes.com…]

I’m missing something, aren’t those links 6 years old ?

390 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:55:18pm

re: #384 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

391 solomonpanting  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:55:56pm

The oceans are dying.

Al Gore

392 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:56:16pm

re: #97 JCM

BHO dictating to the military and the economy…..

Obama says will reverse Bush labor policies

Furthermore, Obama and the democrats are using the greed on wall street meme to cover for their corrupt union pushing. Small, medium and even large businesses across this nation will go the way of GM if the dems have their way. Most businesses function fine without unions. Unions will cripple our economy. But at least the democrats will have the opportunity to pay back the unions who supported them during the campaign and to force socialist-style union business-killing practices onto unsuspecting employees and employers.
(Democrats always assume workers want to unionize.) Many do not.

393 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:56:19pm

re: #376 jwb7605

Thanks! Link sent. My son is a Staff Sergeant. His wife is living here in Colorado, since he deployed. New baby (new granddaughter!).
This is going to hurt.

Your welcome…I hope it goes well for your son and his family. He’s in my prayers.

394 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:56:23pm

re: #390 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

MMMMMMWAH!

395 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:56:30pm

re: #368 Racer X

This massive bail out was started by Bush and Would have been continued by McCain (despite his belated flip-flop). McCain promised to close gitmo, end aggressive interogations just like Obama. McCain voted against the Bush tax cuts (twice IIRC) and despite his campaign promise he was not going to make them permanent. The only difference in in the Iran outreach that McCain probably wouldn’t have done. However, the Iranian centrifuges continued spinning under Bush’s tough talk as they would have under McCain. Obama’s friendly talk doesn’t speed up or slow down the Iranian nuclear program. It continues no matter what we say or how we say it.

396 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:56:36pm

re: #376 jwb7605

Thanks! Link sent. My son is a Staff Sergeant. His wife is living here in Colorado, since he deployed. New baby (new granddaughter!).
This is going to hurt.

I was in during Rabbit Bait. Pay checks, budget cuts, lack of respect from the POTUS, low moral.

It sucked, did damaged it took years to repair. And worst of all it embolden our enemies.

397 markie  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:57:23pm

re: #373 FrogMarch

Scary.

Labor Unions are so unnecessary. They kill competition and suck dry most businesses they touch. but for some reason, union workers are happy to sign up and have money removed from their paychecks to pay for their union boss superiors.

Only when unions over-reach. Unions ensure that everyone plays by the rules for the most part, since individuals are easily ignored, quashed, or intimidated into silence.

There are many unions that need to get back to those basics instead of merely working to gain as much compensation as they can.

Yes, I was a union guy.

398 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:57:26pm

re: #389 avanti

I’m missing something, aren’t those links 6 years old ?

The link Dustyvet gave me looks very recent.
Read the right sidebar headlines.

399 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:57:34pm

re: #341 Killgore Trout

I’m not so sure about that. I’m still plenty worried about Obama but he’s shaping up a lot better than I thought he would.

Since I expected the president to be an immediate disaster for the nation, I’d say he’s performing as anticipated, right now. I don’t expect him to become a disaster for the species until later in the administration.

400 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:57:45pm

re: #389 avanti

I’m missing something, aren’t those links 6 years old ?

sorry. I was researching military pay cuts, and that came up.

401 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:57:47pm

re: #394 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It’s been a tough day…

402 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:58:34pm

re: #398 jwb7605

The link Dustyvet gave me looks very recent.
Read the right sidebar headlines.

That one came from Military.com… and is up to date.

403 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:59:22pm

re: #401 goddessoftheclassroom

It’s been a tough day…

A tough day?
It’s all your fault.

404 rightymouse  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:59:40pm

re: #371 goddessoftheclassroom

The worst thing about teacher unions is their protecting bad teachers instead of booting them out of the profession.

A few years ago, a colleague wasn’t doing his part in a huge interdisciplinary project. We other teachers talked to him, told him what he was responsible for, but he ignored us. We went to our principal, but our reps smacked our hands for going to admin. I told her that I would NEVER protect a bad teacher. She had no reply to that.

The teacher moved on to another district at the end of the year.


I have several friends who teach in the public schools - Special Education. My jaw drops when they tell me what they have to go through during the day with their own administration - people who are more in their way than helpful. That said, one principal was hauled out one day to the cheers of the staff. I asked ‘what did she do?’. The reply was ‘nothing’.

405 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:59:43pm
406 Sheepdogess  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 4:59:48pm

Ire: #341 Killgore Trout


Wake up! Wake up, dammit!

407 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:00:21pm

re: #403 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A tough day?
It’s all your fault.

I appreciate your sympathy.

408 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:00:46pm

re: #396 JCM

I was in during Rabbit Bait. Pay checks, budget cuts, lack of respect from the POTUS, low moral.

It sucked, did damaged it took years to repair. And worst of all it embolden our enemies.

I remember thinking “I sure am glad I got out”.
I got enough GI bill benefits to get a 2-year degree.
I had no “collateral”, and the protesters had already defaulted on college loans, so I couldn’t get one.

409 JCM  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:01:06pm

re: #402 Dustyvet

That one came from Military.com… and is up to date.

Copyright 2009, new story.

410 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:01:42pm

re: #409 JCM

Copyright 2009, new story.

Thanks…

411 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:02:13pm

Thread upstairs looks enjoyable.

412 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:02:57pm

I got it figured that it’s only a matter of time before “The One” starts dismantling the military.

413 Dustyvet  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:04:26pm

re: #411 jwb7605

Thread upstairs looks enjoyable.

I ‘m a living fossil…:) My ex also claimed that I’m the missing link…:)

414 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:05:07pm
415 Empire1  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:05:12pm

Thanks to those who provided links for JWB.

416 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:06:10pm

re: #411 jwb7605

Thread upstairs looks enjoyable.

Living fossil finds love!
*GASP*
I DIDN’T KNOW THAT I HAD!

417 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:06:25pm

re: #398 jwb7605

The link Dustyvet gave me looks very recent.
Read the right sidebar headlines.

Got it, thanks. Sounds like some old rule expired. Someone explain why it happened, although I see the Marines explanation, it’s not very clear.

418 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:07:28pm

re: #397 markie

Only when unions over-reach. Unions ensure that everyone plays by the rules for the most part, since individuals are easily ignored, quashed, or intimidated into silence.

There are many unions that need to get back to those basics instead of merely working to gain as much compensation as they can.

Yes, I was a union guy.

Well, I make no secret or apologies - I am very anti-union. I see what unions do to companies first hand. In many cases, they drive the company into the ground. Besised, in this modern age - Labor laws make unions obsolete. unions were once desperately needed, now they simply exist to make union higher-ups rich, make the business less profitable, and make the employees used to such cushy unrealistic unsustainable hours and benefits - it tears any strong business down.
GM pays the folks who were “layed-off” to do nothing all day. That is the ultimate goal of the union. force companies to pay employees for very little output. What ever happened to the free market, supply and demand, competition? If you do not like your job or the benefits - quit and get another one. Most businesses must provide good perks to compete in the job market place. As I said - Unions are unnecessary.

419 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:07:54pm

“Besides”

420 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:12:16pm

re: #414 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Don’t get too comfy…

421 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:13:21pm

re: #418 FrogMarch

We need to get to a cooperation for mutual benefit all around, and unions are adversarial by and large.

422 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:14:02pm

re: #420 goddessoftheclassroom

Don’t get too comfy…

oops … the link didn’t paste in.

MWAH! anyway

423 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:14:55pm

re: #422 pre-Boomer Marine brat

oops … the link didn’t paste in.

MWAH! anyway

How ironic…

424 jwb7605  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:16:57pm

re: #417 avanti

Got it, thanks. Sounds like some old rule expired. Someone explain why it happened, although I see the Marines explanation, it’s not very clear.

Obama promised to “dramatically downsize the military” in a primary race speech. This is a first step, and will not help recruiting at all. To get an idea of Obama’s mindset, remember that he said “he considered joining the military, but there wasn’t a war going on at the time”. He seems to think the military is only useful for wars, and I don’t see an appreciation of support personnel.

The monies “saved” will come directly off the government spending bottom line, just like they always have (Clinton’s claim of decreasing government spending was basically downsizing the military, and he also touted the “peace dividend”).

425 UberInfidel67  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:17:54pm

re: #385 Sharmuta You’re absolutely right. I have personally seen it and lived it. The priorities are all screwed up. If it weren’t for welfare, most wouldn’t have their cushy jobs. The key is to help break the barriers from welfare to work. Not all can be solved like this though…some just could care less about popping out babies. Many others do care and are more responsible.

426 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:19:46pm

re: #423 goddessoftheclassroom

How ironic…

YOU OWE ME A KEYBOARD!
/AND a carpet cleaning!

427 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:22:47pm

re: #391 solomonpanting

The oceans are dying.

Al Gore



AGW proponent says:

“Our professional bodies recommend that we do not publicly engage in debates over climate change as it gives a platform for the vocal minority to express their views, often scientifically incorrect or carefully selected to distort a longer term trend. This will undoubtedly be the advice that the former US Vice President Al Gore will have received, influencing his decision not to engage in televised debates.”

428 Sharmuta  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:23:13pm

re: #425 UberInfidel67

I could go on for hours about the system and how it screws those in need as much as the tax payer. I used to be called crazy for suggesting it, until a former welfare worker told me I was exactly right. They don’t care about helping folks who need some help- they care about keeping the system in place.

429 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:25:04pm

re: #426 pre-Boomer Marine brat

YOU OWE ME A KEYBOARD!
/AND a carpet cleaning!

I win! I win! I win!


MWAH!

This one’s just for fun…

430 Hobbes  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:25:36pm

re: #306 JCM

We don’t let kids starve, agreed. All options should be exhausted, family, friends, faith or cultural community. Before the taxpayers are saddled with the care and feeding of children.

The problem it is too easy, father a kid, walk away. There are no consequences.
Get pregnant, no problem we’ll all foot the bill for 18 years and 9 months.

Before we pay for all these kids we as a society need to hold the parents accountable, and make them act like parents. Not just hand out goodies. If they can’t or won’t be responsible there should be a downside, not a check.

Well, in Chicago, most of the Welfare checks go to mothers, since daddy’s not around, and many times the mother is a crackhead, so the kids never see a penny of it. It’s easy to allocate money for children, but it’s hard to get it to them.

431 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:27:57pm

re: #424 jwb7605

Obama promised to “dramatically downsize the military” in a primary race speech. This is a first step, and will not help recruiting at all.

But the rule has nothing to do with the present administration as far as I can tell.

432 Sheepdogess  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:30:46pm

re: #427 IslandLibertarian

Oy.re: #243 Catttt

I don’t understand why they emplanted eight embryos. I read somewhere that two is usually the max. Obviously, not all planted embryos will take, but the woman can always try again.

I guess there are no rules, but it sounds like a really stupid thing for the doctors to have done.

The more Iraqi/ American Iraqi citizens the better?

433 avanti  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:36:58pm

re: #431 avanti

But the rule has nothing to do with the present administration as far as I can tell.

Found it, the rule we are discussing went into effect in 2005

link

434 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:40:09pm

re: #429 goddessoftheclassroom

I win! I win! I win!


MWAH!

This one’s just for fun…

Yes!
Just saw that on the next thread.
CLASSIC!

435 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:55:03pm

re: #427 IslandLibertarian


AGW proponent says:

“Our professional bodies recommend that we do not publicly engage in debates over climate change as it gives a platform for the vocal minority to express their views, often scientifically incorrect or carefully selected to distort a longer term trend. This will undoubtedly be the advice that the former US Vice President Al Gore will have received, influencing his decision not to engage in televised debates.”

Gore is kept in a Soros Bubble. He only comes out when the audience is in the tank with him. The holy left-wingers are untouchable. Do not question them, just leave your money in the dish as you leave. and bow down.

“The debate is over” is the left’s a scary Orwellian chant.

436 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:57:43pm

re: #421 Ojoe

…. unions are adversarial by and large.

They are. Unions, by and large are unnecessary and they will be the death to many successful businesses. (Businesses where workers are happy, paid fairly and treated well) I thought Obama cared about keeping jobs? I guess not. The left only care about the system needed to keep them in power.

437 FrogMarch  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 5:58:49pm

re: #435 FrogMarch

“The debate is over” is the left’s scary Orwellian chant.


fixed. (can’t type tonight)

438 loggiedog  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 6:04:14pm

Obama, No You Can’t! That’s right, Samantha Powers won’t help you out of this quagmire, either. This is the beginning of the decrease in his approval ratings, starting now with this act of defiance for our national security’s sake.

439 jcbunga  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 6:57:40pm

Outstanding.

440 curt9988  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 7:19:02pm

RACIST!

441 kansas  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 7:52:19pm

re: #412 Dustyvet

I got it figured that it’s only a matter of time before “The One” starts dismantling the military.

He’s been in office 10 days. You think he’ll get on that next week? Might as well, the anti-
American SOB. Anybody got any doubts about that now?

442 Macker  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:24:20pm

re: #102 phoenixgirl

sheriff Joe said he’d put them in tent city….

Wish I could give 10,000 updings for that!

/YO JOE!

443 Macker  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:27:03pm

re: #430 Hobbes

Well, in Chicago, most of the Welfare checks go to mothers, since daddy’s not around, and many times the mother is a crackhead, so the kids never see a penny of it. It’s easy to allocate money for children, but it’s hard to get it to them.

And they can also be hateful, spiteful mothers who deny their ex-husbands the right to have a normal, loving relationship with his children. She may be 58, and cracked in the head, but at least she’s no crackhead.

444 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:32:38pm
445 the_flying_pig  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 8:56:09pm

Denied!
Bwahahahhahahha!

446 zelnaga  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 9:11:55pm

This whole delaying of trials thing confuses me. Liberals were all upset that people were being held without trial and now that they’re getting trials, Obama wants to suspend them?

…or does Obama believe that these may be kangaroo trials?

447 tradewind  Fri, Jan 30, 2009 10:02:46pm

re: #446 zelnaga
Yes, and he’s hopping mad about it.

448 bullskin  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 12:42:04am

No hat-tip?.

449 soxfan4life  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:19:37am

re: #259 Jetpilot1101

It quite obvious that Obama is playing a little game of CYA, especially with this “porkulus” bill. It’s not a question of IF, it’s a question of WHEN will the economy head straight into the toilet because of this bill. Obama needs to be able to blame someone else besides his inept party or else he is toast in 2012. Personally, I think the dems will be toast in 2010 largely due to the “porkulus” bill, but I’m not going to count my chickens just yet.


I told a couple of friends and family members after the election that the coronation of Obama could very well spell the end of the Democrats. Hopefully the country can survive to that point.And hopefully the loyal opposition in the Senate follows the House lead. Let Obama and the Dems have the blood all over their hands.

450 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 31, 2009 1:46:19am

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