Overnight Open Thread
I have suffered for my music. Now it’s your turn.
— Neil Innes
I have suffered for my music. Now it’s your turn.
— Neil Innes
1 | jcm Sun, Jul 19, 2009 10:56:47pm |
Taliban Video Shows Captive US Soldier
[Link: www.liveleak.com...]
Prayers for his safe return.
Then we can deal with the AWOL.
3 | Racer X Sun, Jul 19, 2009 10:59:37pm |
A human first set foot on another world on July 20, 1969. This world was Earth's own Moon. In honor of today's 40th anniversary, NASA has released a digitally restored video of this milestone in human history.
4 | JacksonTn Sun, Jul 19, 2009 10:59:51pm |
Music is the best ... politics sucks ... the floor needs sweeping .... they bought and sold you ...
5 | capitalist piglet Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:02:20pm |
I have suffered for my music. Now it’s your turn.— Neil Innes
Oh man, I love this quote. I love it.
6 | austin_blue Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:06:02pm |
I'll go ahead and repost this from the tail of the previous thread.
Frankie McCourt died today.
My sister in law (SIL), had worked at WNET with her best friend, Ellen. She had since moved on to work as Jane Curtin's dogsbody. Ellen mentioned that she was dating this schoolteacher, seventeen years her senior. She said he made her happy and made her her laugh. Before my SIL moved to the UK to be Anthony Andrew's dogsbody, She Who Must Be Obeyed and myself went to see her. Ellen and Frankie showed up at the pub. This was probably three years before "Angela's Ashes" (AA) was published. He was delightful. We drank Guinness and told lies. Lovely.
I next saw Frankie and Ellen when he came to Austin for a talk to a crowd after AA was published. It was old home week! My SIL was in town! Frankie had not changed a bit. Telling stories, telling lies, with a twinkle.
We saw Ellen and Frankie twice since, both times in London, where my SIL was living (actually, during the first encounter she was living in London, the second time we trained in from the unfortunately named village of Leighton Buzzard, where she had relocated). The last time we got together Frankie complained about his myeloma, saying that as he was a human who, genetically, was, "white as aspirin" and horribly susceptible to the disease, it seemed unfair. He also said that, being Irish, he accepted that the hammer would reasonably fall squarely on his ass.
Right up to the end, he was a funny guy.
It wasn't the cancer that got him, though. It was an opportunistic meningitis infection that snuck in because of his chemotherapy.
He was a great guy, a great storyteller, and a dear friend. I grieve for his widow, Ellen, who is an absolute sweetheart, and all who knew him.
Good thoughts all around, please, from all Lizards.
7 | jcm Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:06:54pm |
re: #3 Racer X
It's all a phony, didn't you see the movie OJ did about it?
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40 years, damn..... I remember listening to the landing on AFRS in Kermanshah Iran, it was Monday morning for us.
8 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:09:04pm |
BTW, a nutcase came into the department recently and wanted us to admit there was no moonlanding. He also wanted advice on how to stop gevernment thought control lasers.
I told him they came from Ron Paul.
9 | jcm Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:13:08pm |
re: #8 LudwigVanQuixote
BTW, a nutcase came into the department recently and wanted us to admit there was no moonlanding. He also wanted advice on how to stop gevernment thought control lasers.
I told him they came from Ron Paul.
Tell him tin foil doesn't work anymore, we're putting nanotech repeaters in tinfoil to boost the signal.
10 | redc1c4 Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:15:11pm |
"I have suffered for my music. Now it’s your turn."
naw dude..... i have a volume control. %-)
11 | jcm Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:15:25pm |
G'night all.
I find television very educating.
Every time somebody turns on the set,
I go into the other room and read a book.
Groucho Marx
12 | Fenway_Nation Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:16:39pm |
re: #10 redc1c4
No way, Red....we need a fairness doctorine for music dontchya know?
13 | Racer X Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:20:34pm |
How children are being 'cured' of peanut allergy
Doctors have developed a potential cure for peanut allergies in a breakthrough that could help tens of thousands of children. The pioneering therapy uses carefully controlled doses of peanut flour to 'retrain' a child's faulty immune system and bring it back to normal.
In early trials, doctors successfully treated 20 children suffering from severe peanut allergies.
15 | Fenway_Nation Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:21:31pm |
re: #13 Racer X
Hooray! Peanut-butter sandwiches and satay for all!
16 | redc1c4 Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:22:18pm |
re: #13 Racer X
How children are being 'cured' of peanut allergy
Doctors have developed a potential cure for peanut allergies in a breakthrough that could help tens of thousands of children. The pioneering therapy uses carefully controlled doses of peanut flour to 'retrain' a child's faulty immune system and bring it back to normal.
In early trials, doctors successfully treated 20 children suffering from severe peanut allergies.
duh............. but now there are 20 less victims: i say we sue the doctors and the facility that did the trials.
17 | Syrah Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:32:36pm |
18 | Syrah Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:40:27pm |
MrPaulRevere
Don't get carried away with that. It does not end well.
Let it pass.
19 | JacksonTn Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:49:20pm |
To the people out there who "think" they know both parties ... get off the internet and get on the ground ... go to the party meetings ... listen ... go to the democrat organizing meetings and the republicans ... go past the speeches and listen ... you will hear all you need to hear ... the "big" speeches for the cameras DO NOT tell you what the parties want to happen ...
I have asked many times of people here who favor the democrats (or more often than not just swirl their opinions) if they have ever been to a meeting of democrat party groups ... have they ever been to organizing drives ... no response .. do you really know what they do? ... do you really know how they target? ... have you ever been to the meetings when they get together with Union officials? ... do you know? ...
Black/White is way past party affiliations ... this country is so fucked right now ... but it will get better ... I hope ...
20 | austin_blue Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:51:02pm |
Good night, all. Sleep calls. A sad night for me.
Sigh.
22 | Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:52:51pm |
Because the world needs some "do wah ditty ditty dum ditty do!"
23 | redc1c4 Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:53:01pm |
re: #19 JacksonTn
that reminds me: i gotta go get in the face of the local PTB..... they were anemic in the City Council election, and the worse candidate wone by ~800 votes.
i can fix that next time. i can't get a conservative, but i can get a rational person, and that's a start.
24 | Syrah Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:53:40pm |
re: #19 JacksonTn
I have been to them. both sides. Three sides if you count the Libertarians.
JacksonTn is right. Go to the meetings. Meet those people who you are talking about.
25 | JacksonTn Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:56:43pm |
re: #22 Floral Giraffe
Because the world needs some "do wah ditty ditty dum ditty do!"
[Video]
FG ... oh, I love Manfred ....
26 | redc1c4 Sun, Jul 19, 2009 11:57:16pm |
re: #24 Syrah
I have been to them. both sides. Three sides if you count the Libertarians.
JacksonTn is right. Go to the meetings. Meet those people who you are talking about.
with or without bail arranged?
27 | Syrah Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:03:16am |
re: #26 redc1c4
with or without bail arranged?
Always have bail pre-arranged. Sometimes you could find yourself sorely tempted to do something really dumb. I once nearly slugged Pete Stark. He is a rat bastard. One of my friends who was with me had to physically drag me out of the room.
28 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:05:43am |
re: #25 JacksonTn
I too, love Manfred Mann. The world seemed simpler then....
29 | capitalist piglet Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:06:03am |
30 | redc1c4 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:06:17am |
re: #27 Syrah
Always have bail pre-arranged. Sometimes you could find yourself sorely tempted to do something really dumb. I once nearly slugged Pete Stark. He is a rat bastard. One of my friends who was with me had to physically drag me out of the room.
temper, temper..... either you are setting the ambush, or you are getting ambushed.
always decide the OPTEMPO.
/learned the hard way
31 | JacksonTn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:06:48am |
re: #27 Syrah
Always have bail pre-arranged. Sometimes you could find yourself sorely tempted to do something really dumb. I once nearly slugged Pete Stark. He is a rat bastard. One of my friends who was with me had to physically drag me out of the room.
Syrah ... hey ... sometimes it is just worth it ...
Really ... good night now Lizards ...
The House ...
32 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:07:02am |
re: #27 Syrah
Always have bail pre-arranged. Sometimes you could find yourself sorely tempted to do something really dumb. I once nearly slugged Pete Stark. He is a rat bastard. One of my friends who was with me had to physically drag me out of the room.
Pre-arranged bail is a GOOD THING!
Martha Stewart channeling off.....
33 | sngnsgt Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:09:02am |
Israel: Barack Obama is no friend of ours…
Only 6 percent of Jewish Israelis consider the views of American President Barack Obama's administration pro-Israel, according to a new Jerusalem Post-sponsored Smith Research poll.
I had not seen this until tonight.
34 | Syrah Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:09:40am |
re: #29 capitalist piglet
Oh, dear. Thank you. I know one of the guys who's been playing in Heart in recent years, but I didn't know this engineer; I have no doubt that I know a number of people who did, though.
It is a pretty disturbing story.
I heard a few things about it second hand today. I don't know how the shooter is getting away with a 2nd degree charge. If what I heard is true, it should be a capital case.
35 | redc1c4 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:11:17am |
re: #33 sngnsgt
Israel: Barack Obama is no friend of ours…
I had not seen this until tonight.
and yet, even Helen Keller saw it coming, long before November '08.....
too bad US voters didn't.
36 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:15:03am |
re: #35 redc1c4
SOME of the US voters saw it coming. Just not 51% of us.....
37 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:16:07am |
re: #36 Floral Giraffe
SOME of the US voters thought he'd 'govern from the center', too. How's that working out so far?
38 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:16:53am |
Good night, Lizards.
Stay scaly.
We continue to fight the good fight!
And, that's MY big warm rock over to the right, you can have t'other!
;)
39 | capitalist piglet Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:16:53am |
re: #35 redc1c4
and yet, even Helen Keller saw it coming, long before November '08.....
too bad US voters didn't.
I tend to think at least some of them did, and were pleased with what they surmised. Of course, this doesn't surprise me, because I pay the occasional visit to DU to see what's going on in the mind of the hardcore leftist nutburger.
40 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:17:45am |
re: #37 Fenway_Nation
Fenway, I never honestly gave a thought to what the 0 would do. I thought the voters were smarter than that.
41 | sagehen Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:18:10am |
Happy end of weekend, everyone.
Did I miss anything exciting online while I was out enjoying the clean(ish) fresh(ish) air?
42 | kynna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:18:40am |
re: #36 Floral Giraffe
SOME of the US voters saw it coming. Just not 51% of us.....
No, most of the Barack Obama enablers are still going strong. Excusing, rationalizing, justifying, spinning and twisting themselves into pretzels to make it look like there's some logic to the idiocy. I've lost all patience with it.
43 | Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:18:58am |
Really, good night, this time! ;)
44 | TheMatrix31 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:21:00am |
45 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:24:22am |
re: #40 Floral Giraffe
To be honest, I knew 0bama would be doing exactly what he's doing right now. The only thing that surprises me is the pace of his crippling redistributive economic policies, enemies-first/allies-last foreign policies and punitive labor, environmental or tax policies. He's doing this shit much quicker than I anticipated...
46 | redc1c4 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:25:41am |
re: #37 Fenway_Nation
SOME of the US voters thought he'd 'govern from the center', too. How's that working out so far?
seems a bit off..... maybe it's my glasses?
47 | redc1c4 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:27:12am |
re: #42 kynna
No, most of the Barack Obama enablers are still going strong. Excusing, rationalizing, justifying, spinning and twisting themselves into pretzels to make it look like there's some logic to the idiocy. I've lost all patience with it.
you had patience with it? you're a better lizard than me.
48 | Syrah Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:29:21am |
re: #42 kynna
No, most of the Barack Obama enablers are still going strong. Excusing, rationalizing, justifying, spinning and twisting themselves into pretzels to make it look like there's some logic to the idiocy. I've lost all patience with it.
They have "Faith" in Obama.
50 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:29:32am |
re: #37 Fenway_Nation
SOME of the US voters thought he'd 'govern from the center', too. How's that working out so far?
I think a lot of people that voted against him even gave him the benefit of the doubt.
Of course yesterday India refuted Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's prostrating request regarding carbon caps:
India Refuses to Bend to U.S. Pressure on Carbon Caps
July 20 (Bloomberg) -- India won’t bend to demands from the Obama administration or threats from the U.S. Congress to adopt legally binding caps on its carbon emissions, the country’s environment minister told visiting U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton yesterday...
51 | kynna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:29:34am |
re: #47 redc1c4
you had patience with it? you're a better lizard than me.
Well, I was able to stay in the same room with the dolts but now I have to find a way to take a walk. I'm thinking of taking up smoking just to have an excuse to leave the building with they start their pathetic prattling.
And they still have the nerve to be smug about it all. It's bizarre.
52 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:30:12am |
re: #47 redc1c4
Am I a bad person for wanting to hawk a big fat green loogie at every vehicle I see still sporting a 0bama/Biden bumper sticker?
/no shortage still, altho' I suspect it's only a matter of time before some of them come off due to sheer embarrassment
54 | redc1c4 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:32:08am |
re: #52 Fenway_Nation
Am I a bad person for wanting to hawk a big fat green loogie at every vehicle I see still sporting a 0bama/Biden bumper sticker?
/no shortage still, altho' I suspect it's only a matter of time before some of them come off due to sheer embarrassment
2h6 started flipping all of them off from her MB long before i did.....
and this is Left LA. go for it!
55 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:32:21am |
re: #50 Gus 802
Whiskey Tango Fucks-trot?
We're now trying to dictate other countries emissions w/cap and trade? Isn't this imperialism with a smiley face?
56 | TheMatrix31 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:32:27am |
re: #52 Fenway_Nation
Am I a bad person for wanting to hawk a big fat green loogie at every vehicle I see still sporting a 0bama/Biden bumper sticker?
/no shortage still, altho' I suspect it's only a matter of time before some of them come off due to sheer embarrassment
I always go through a mental scenario of doing physical damage to the person in the car, but OBVIOUSLY those are just pleasant fantasies :)
57 | kynna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:33:49am |
re: #52 Fenway_Nation
Am I a bad person for wanting to hawk a big fat green loogie at every vehicle I see still sporting a 0bama/Biden bumper sticker?
/no shortage still, altho' I suspect it's only a matter of time before some of them come off due to sheer embarrassment
Still the most hilarious one is at my son's school. One of those useless "Smart" cars with an Obama bumper sticker. LOL. An expensive car that rides rough, only seats two people, doesn't much better gas mileage than an average economy car and requires premium gas. If that's not the automotive metaphor for the Obama administration I don't know what is.
58 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:33:52am |
re: #55 Fenway_Nation
Whiskey Tango Fucks-trot?
We're now trying to dictate other countries emissions w/cap and trade? Isn't this imperialism with a smiley face?
Right. Yeah, it was part of an Obama/Clinton apology no less where Clinton said "we made mistakes." Looks like her apology didn't work. There's something regarding having American pay for carbon caps for the Chinese today. From the administration no less.
59 | redc1c4 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:34:12am |
re: #56 TheMatrix31
I always go through a mental scenario of doing physical damage to the person in the car, but OBVIOUSLY those are just pleasant fantasies :)
if they are behind you, and texting, hit the brakes hard.
60 | redc1c4 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:35:24am |
re: #58 Gus 802
Right. Yeah, it was part of an Obama/Clinton apology no less where Clinton said "we made mistakes." Looks like her apology didn't work. There's something regarding having American pay for carbon caps for the Chinese today. From the administration no less.
61 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:36:04am |
re: #58 Gus 802
Didn't W encourage more military and counterterrorism cooperation with India while he was in office?
62 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:36:19am |
re: #55 Fenway_Nation
Whiskey Tango Fucks-trot?
We're now trying to dictate other countries emissions w/cap and trade? Isn't this imperialism with a smiley face?
Right here:
Commerce Secretary: Americans ‘Need to Pay’ for Chinese Emissions
With the U.S. secretaries of energy and commerce in China this week, much of the attention focused on the standoff over emissions reductions or small breakthroughs in clean-tech cooperation.
But yesterday, Commerce Secretary Gary Locke said something amazing—U.S. consumers should pay for part of Chinese greenhouse-gas emissions. From Reuters:
“It’s important that those who consume the products being made all around the world to the benefit of America — and it’s our own consumption activity that’s causing the emission of greenhouse gases, then quite frankly Americans need to pay for that,” Commerce Secretary Gary Locke told the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai...
More BS from the crazies in the administration.
63 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:37:37am |
re: #61 Fenway_Nation
Didn't W encourage more military and counterterrorism cooperation with India while he was in office?
Yeah, and he helped set up a deal for two new nuclear power plants with American companies for India.
Ironically Clinton is also there for that nuclear plant deal. Still hearing crickets regarding nuke plants for here however.
64 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:39:26am |
re: #59 redc1c4
What if they're at the throttle of a trolley or locomotive?
65 | capitalist piglet Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:39:48am |
re: #57 kynna
Still the most hilarious one is at my son's school. One of those useless "Smart" cars with an Obama bumper sticker. LOL. An expensive car that rides rough, only seats two people, doesn't much better gas mileage than an average economy car and requires premium gas. If that's not the automotive metaphor for the Obama administration I don't know what is.
Especially the referring to itself as "Smart" part.
66 | redc1c4 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:40:35am |
re: #64 Fenway_Nation
What if they're at the throttle of a trolley or locomotive?
none of them 'round here...... call it 'risk management' %-)
67 | Syrah Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:40:37am |
re: #57 kynna
Still the most hilarious one is at my son's school. One of those useless "Smart" cars with an Obama bumper sticker. LOL. An expensive car that rides rough, only seats two people, doesn't much better gas mileage than an average economy car and requires premium gas. If that's not the automotive metaphor for the Obama administration I don't know what is.
One of my environmental science professors argued that every true-blue environmentalist should run out and buy old second hand Dodge Darts. The car is very well designed, very easy to maintain and they are already built. No new resources need to be extracted or processed to make them. They are sitting in peoples driveways or rotting in their back yards nearly free for the taking. (that was 15 years ago.)
68 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:40:56am |
re: #62 Gus 802
So let's see.....our manufacturing sector gets decimated (and eventually gets replaced with job as well-defined as unicorn farts) and we get to pay the Chinese for the privelege?
69 | TheMatrix31 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:40:59am |
re: #59 redc1c4
if they are behind you, and texting, hit the brakes hard.
LOL good idea! Since we're being fucked in the ass by Obama and by his supporters, it'll be such a nice metaphor.
70 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:41:51am |
re: #66 redc1c4
Might want to take a look at that 2nd link, red.
71 | redc1c4 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:42:43am |
re: #69 TheMatrix31
LOL good idea! Since we're being fucked in the ass by Obama and by his supporters, it'll be such a nice metaphor.
butt, with a good lawyer, you could at least afford the lube......
72 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:43:03am |
re: #68 Fenway_Nation
So let's see.....our manufacturing sector gets decimated (and eventually gets replaced with job as well-defined as unicorn farts) and we get to pay the Chinese for the privelege?
Yeah, something like that. I think we're supposed to get "green jobs." Or something. Maybe become a civil servant for The State. I think the green idea has something to do with money growing on trees.
Somewhere along the line these geniuses have forgotten about productivity.
Nah, doesn't make any sense. It's not supposed to. We're talking Utopia and Unicorns.
73 | capitalist piglet Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:44:07am |
re: #68 Fenway_Nation
So let's see.....our manufacturing sector gets decimated (and eventually gets replaced with job as well-defined as unicorn farts) and we get to pay the Chinese for the privelege?
I wonder if the Chinese will loan us the money to pay their share.
74 | redc1c4 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:46:06am |
re: #70 Fenway_Nation
Might want to take a look at that 2nd link, red.
i don't go anywhere near the rail line, and, if i do, as someone who grew up next to a main line, i stay the hell away from trains. Mass x Velocity = Force, and that big shit doesn't need to be moving very fast to fuck you smooth the fuck up.
i stand clear.
75 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:47:04am |
re: #73 capitalist piglet
I wonder if the Chinese will loan us the money to pay their share.
Hmm, don't we "owe" them money for Chiang Kai-shek?
Chinese reparations -- liberal guilt tripping has no limits.
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76 | BatGuano Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:47:26am |
I joined late. Has anyone posted this Neal Innes?
77 | redc1c4 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:48:36am |
re: #73 capitalist piglet
I wonder if the Chinese will loan us the money to pay their share.
just to see that again..... re: #72 Gus 802
Yeah, something like that. I think we're supposed to get "green jobs." Or something. Maybe become a civil servant for The State. I think the green idea has something to do with money growing on trees.
Somewhere along the line these geniuses have forgotten about productivity.
Nah, doesn't make any sense. It's not supposed to. We're talking Utopia and Unicorns.
/skittles!
79 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 12:55:48am |
re: #78 Fenway_Nation
Taste the
unicornfartsrainbow....
Another week of rainbows start soon. What will they think of next. No wonder my sleep cycle is a mess.
80 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:00:29am |
BTW.....for all these worthless cocksucking libs who'd keep rhetorically asking 'Where does it say you have a right to assault weapons in the Bill of Rights?' I'd like to ask:
'Where the fuck does it say in the Constitution that the president's job is to 'spread the wealth around'?'
81 | Mr Pancakes Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:00:30am |
83 | BatGuano Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:07:39am |
re: #81 Mr Pancakes
Was that George Harrison and John Lennon at beginning?
84 | SixDegrees Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:09:34am |
re: #67 Syrah
One of my environmental science professors argued that every true-blue environmentalist should run out and buy old second hand Dodge Darts. The car is very well designed, very easy to maintain and they are already built. No new resources need to be extracted or processed to make them. They are sitting in peoples driveways or rotting in their back yards nearly free for the taking. (that was 15 years ago.)
He would probably be pleased to learn that during last year's gas price spike, ancient Geo Metro 3-cylinders were selling like hotcakes.
85 | Mr Pancakes Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:11:47am |
re: #83 BatGuano
Sure looks like em doesn't it..... very possible.
87 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:14:18am |
re: #83 BatGuano
Was that George Harrison and John Lennon at beginning?
Looks like them for sure. Also...
The song is one of the better known songs in the Bonzo Dog Band canon because it was featured in the Beatles' television film Magical Mystery Tour. Performed on stage by the Bonzos at the Raymond Revuebar in London, it was the accompaniment for a striptease act performed by Jan Carson while she was ogled by club customers including John Lennon and George Harrison.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Not the exact reference but it works.
89 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:23:47am |
re: #88 BatGuano
Close enough. Thanks!
I don't ever remember seeing these guys as a kid. Must have been more of an underground thing at the time.
90 | freetoken Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:26:17am |
re: #80 Fenway_Nation
'Where the fuck does it say in the Constitution that the president's job is to 'spread the wealth around'?'
That is pretty straightforward...
The Constitution gives the Congress the responsibility to pass laws regarding taxes and to spend money. And that is exactly what Congress does (with aplomb.)
91 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:27:53am |
92 | BatGuano Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:28:42am |
Happy 40th anniversary of the landing of Apollo 11 on the moon. It will become official at about 9pm (EST) this evening.
93 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:28:46am |
re: #90 freetoken
That is pretty straightforward...
The Constitution gives the Congress the responsibility to pass laws regarding taxes and to spend money. And that is exactly what Congress does (with aplomb.)
So your saying that it is applicable to use the Constitution as a vehicle to "spread the wealth" by way of taxes and spending?
95 | Mr Pancakes Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:29:57am |
Pure poetry in lotion.....
Ivor Cutler was a very good friend of Neil Innes and was in the Beatles movie "Magical Mystery Tour".
Ivor died a couple of years ago....... RIP
97 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:32:49am |
re: #96 buzzsawmonkey
Americans need to pay for Chinese emissions?
How 'bout I just cut my own emissions by giving up Chinese food?
Yeah. I'm sure "they" will find something in the Constitution that says it's OK. //
Or maybe they'll find something that Bush did. //
99 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:36:43am |
re: #98 buzzsawmonkey
The blame bushes are looking lovely this year. It's all the rain, I think.
That must explain all of the sneezing!
But hey, when they're not watering the blaming bushes they're blaming Reagan. Even getting up-dinged for it. :=/
100 | IslandLibertarian Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:39:30am |
Stay tuned..........I heard tonight that NBC's Meredith Vieira will be sitting down for another "intimate chat" with, (can you keep from creaming your jeans?) "The One we've been waiting for".
Worship Him!
Adore Him!
So what He is fucking your country to death!
OH! OH! OBAMAGASM!
/sssssppppitttttttttttttt!
101 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:40:14am |
re: #98 buzzsawmonkey
Mine are looking a little scrawny and withered. I blame global warming.
Damn that Dick Cheney....
102 | IslandLibertarian Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:41:08am |
re: #98 buzzsawmonkey
The blame bushes are looking lovely this year. It's all the rain, I think.
Rove, you incredible bastard! Or was it Cheney?
103 | freetoken Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:41:26am |
Guys, be careful of not going down the Michele Bachmann path... remember her a couple of weeks ago, when she thought she was drilling the Treasury at a Congressional hearing, by inquiring what gave them the right to do this and that?
The answer was of course obvious - Congress had previously passed laws directing the government to do so.
As such, Bachmann ended up looking like a fool.
Yes, the Constitution really does give Congress the right/responsibility to raise taxes and spend money.
There is nothing in the Constitution about sending a man to the moon either... are you saying that was somehow unconstitutional?
104 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:43:35am |
re: #102 IslandLibertarian
Rove, you incredible bastard! Or was it Cheney?
Maybe it was Bachmann.
Of course it could have been Haliburton.
//
105 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:46:17am |
re: #103 freetoken
I think the point was regarding "spreading the wealth" not in creating taxes and spending.
106 | BatGuano Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:46:54am |
Good night, Lizards. It is time that I folded my leather wings.
107 | BatGuano Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:48:25am |
108 | SixDegrees Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:50:41am |
re: #62 Gus 802
More BS from the crazies in the administration.
The remainder of the article suggests that this is an end run around tariff restrictions. China is refusing to go along with any sort of carbon tax, the US is not happy because this tilts the playing field much too far in China's favor, and the low-hanging fruit - imposition of tariffs on Chinese imports - violates all sorts of international trade agreements and laws. So they're cooking up a way to slap a tariff on Chinese goods that isn't really a tariff.
The end results are the same - higher prices for Chinese goods. And the goal is the same, too - forcing China to bargain on carbon caps with the threat of making their imports less attractive.
Frankly, I think an alternative approach might be more successful - edcuate Americans on where their dollars are going, and what the departure of dollars from the country means in terms of the livelyhood of Americans. Walk through any department store and examine the product tags; it's difficult to find anything at all that isn't made in China. Of those items that are made elsewhere, they more than likely contain components made in China.
And increasingly, the same is true at the supermarket. The US now imports vast amounts of raw foodstuffs from China.
The benefit? Cheaper prices for a huge range of foods and goods. The downside? American producers lose, causing job losses and a decrease of money circulating through the local economy.
Tariffs - of whatever sort - ought to be a last resort in a market-oriented economy. Appealing to the populace to examine their buying habits would potentially have a faster, deeper impact on this problem. I don't really have a problem shelling out another quarter for a box of spaghetti if the large-scale return for that added cost is lower unemployment and greater overall local wealth. At least that extra quarter goes to a local merchant, and thence through additional American middlemen. Tariffs come straight out of my pocket and go straight into the government's pockets. They accomplish the same end, but not as efficiently and without the added benefit to American businesses.
109 | littleoldlady Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:54:14am |
110 | sagehen Mon, Jul 20, 2009 1:58:33am |
re: #105 Gus 802
I think the point was regarding "spreading the wealth" not in creating taxes and spending.
But that's exactly how wealth gets spread.
Example: the interstate highway system required a gazillion construction workers, most of whom were pretty well-paid, and a lot of materials that came from mostly domestic manufacturers that had to hire a lot of people, most of whom were pretty well paid, and these well-paid construction workers and cement factory people bought cars to drive on those new highways and the car manufacturers hired a bunch of people who could buy houses farther from town now that there's the great new highways and that means more houses being built and more schools, by workers who buy more cars....
Lots of wealth got spread around.
111 | littleoldlady Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:00:02am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!
112 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:01:04am |
re: #103 freetoken
Yeah.....wouldn't want to pass $787 billion in kickbacks without reading the fine print or legislation that would increase prices for energy production, utilities, transportation and energy exploration across the board.....
113 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:03:19am |
re: #110 sagehen
But that's exactly how wealth gets spread.
Example: the interstate highway system required a gazillion construction workers, most of whom were pretty well-paid, and a lot of materials that came from mostly domestic manufacturers that had to hire a lot of people, most of whom were pretty well paid, and these well-paid construction workers and cement factory people bought cars to drive on those new highways and the car manufacturers hired a bunch of people who could buy houses farther from town now that there's the great new highways and that means more houses being built and more schools, by workers who buy more cars....
Lots of wealth got spread around.
Sure but that's as a result of government or infrastructure projects. The same with any other government contract: military, space, forestry, etc. The intention is not to spread wealth through the spending but the result is revenue generation for the contractors and workers. However, it does negate the GDP so in the end there is a net loss to the private sector. That has to be kept low and in balance.
That being said roads, space, and many other infrastructure programs and services can be provided by the private sector. One example is toll roads and private highways not funded by the public but run as a good old fashioned American business.
114 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:04:01am |
re: #111 littleoldlady
Good timing and luck #111 to boot. Congrats, LoL....you are now ready to play powerball w/the best of them
115 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:04:48am |
re: #112 Fenway_Nation
Yeah.....wouldn't want to pass $787 billion in kickbacks without reading the fine print or legislation that would increase prices for energy production, utilities, transportation and energy exploration across the board.....
But I thought government spending was all good and altruistic? Are you telling me there is grafting, corruption, unions, and other nasty things involved? /
116 | Mr Pancakes Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:05:25am |
re: #108 SixDegrees
Frankly, I think an alternative approach might be more successful - edcuate Americans on where their dollars are going, and what the departure of dollars from the country means in terms of the livelyhood of Americans. Walk through any department store and examine the product tags; it's difficult to find anything at all that isn't made in China. Of those items that are made elsewhere, they more than likely contain components made in China.
While I agree with this in theory..... Americans don't want to pay $400 for a DVD player.... they'd rather spend $30.
We are our own worst enemy.
My industry was devastated 15 years ago by China........ now I just have to be creative to survive.
117 | littleoldlady Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:07:36am |
Fenway! :-)
Okay, I'll play the Powerball...as long as I get to win! ;-)
/gmsc was right. LGF is on "Apple time".
118 | littleoldlady Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:08:39am |
119 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:12:11am |
re: #116 Mr Pancakes
While I agree with this in theory..... Americans don't want to pay $400 for a DVD player.... they'd rather spend $30.
We are our own worst enemy.
My industry was devastated 15 years ago by China........ now I just have to be creative to survive.
Adding to the irony? American companies but produced in China. You really can't find many electronic products made in the USA? Are there any? These same electronics or computer companies at the same time promote the policies of cap and trade: Microsoft, Apple, etc. In that regard there are usually two faces to these corporations both public and private.
120 | Mr Pancakes Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:12:38am |
re: #118 littleoldlady
Creativity is not allowed in aMeRiCa!
/get with the program!
Must be...... feeding the family somehow....... maybe it's the leftover fruitcups.
121 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:13:00am |
re: #118 littleoldlady
Creativity is not allowed in aMeRiCa!
/get with the program!
But what if the creativity if for the greater good and benefits the collective?
//
122 | Mr Pancakes Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:15:32am |
re: #119 Gus 802
Adding to the irony? American companies but produced in China. You really can't find many electronic products made in the USA? Are there any? These same electronics or computer companies at the same time promote the policies of cap and trade: Microsoft, Apple, etc. In that regard there are usually two faces to these corporations both public and private.
Well... back in the mid 80's there were over 5000 manufacturers making printed circuit boards (my industry)...... today there are less than 400 left.
124 | littleoldlady Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:17:18am |
re: #120 Mr Pancakes
Must be...... feeding the family somehow....... maybe it's the leftover fruitcups.
Shhhh!
/.........the ears have walls
Our local dollar store is positively wonderful and I've discovered that it's possible to eat quite well buying their offerings.
/okay, okay....not QUITE well
//not well at all
///still, we're EATING
125 | littleoldlady Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:18:19am |
re: #121 Gus 802
But what if the creativity if for the greater good and benefits the collective?
//
Gus! :-)
Would I just be better off running for Congress?
/the altruism of public service at all that jazz...
127 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:19:36am |
re: #122 Mr Pancakes
Well... back in the mid 80's there were over 5000 manufacturers making printed circuit boards (my industry)...... today there are less than 400 left.
Any particular reason for the demise? I remember when the USA had cornerstone companies like IBM, Xerox, 3M, Dennison, etc. IBM was a big part of the New York state economy. The demise started in the late 1970s thereabout.
128 | Mr Pancakes Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:21:21am |
re: #124 littleoldlady
Shhhh!
/.........the ears have walls
Our local dollar store is positively wonderful and I've discovered that it's possible to eat quite well buying their offerings.
/okay, okay....not QUITE well
//not well at all
///still, we're EATING
Hey our dollar store.... forgive me .... 99 cent store, sells canned chili....... I can cook a meal fit for a king with a can of chili. The only thing is..... Vons has it on sale for 79 cents.
129 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:22:34am |
re: #125 littleoldlady
Gus! :-)
Would I just be better off running for Congress?
/the altruism of public service at all that jazz...
Go for it! What's the pay over 100K a year. Full, gold plated benefits. If you last for your term you get a great "retirement" plan. If you get elected as a Democrat all you have to do is blame Republicans for your term and vote present on anything you want.
//
130 | SixDegrees Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:23:02am |
re: #116 Mr Pancakes
While I agree with this in theory..... Americans don't want to pay $400 for a DVD player.... they'd rather spend $30.
We are our own worst enemy.
My industry was devastated 15 years ago by China........ now I just have to be creative to survive.
Most electronics are made in Japan or other parts of Asia; China isn't really a big-time player in this market yet, although they're certainly angling for a piece of it. The vast majority of Chinese exports to the US, in terms of dollars, are in the form of much simpler goods requiring light manufacturing and a fair amount of manual labor - textiles, raw foodstuffs like starches and sugar syrups, simple injection-molded plastics and that sort of thing. As I said, you can see this for yourself in the aisles of any department store.
And it isn't necessary to reject absolutely everything that's Chinese; even a small reduction in US imports has a big impact on the Chinese economy, and would cause them to sit up and take notice.
As a general rule, I like to keep my money circulating as close to me as possible. But I'm not obsessive about it. I buy local produce when it's available, but if the quality of something trucked in from another state is better, and that's what I need, I go for that. Manufactured goods are admittedly trickier - there simply isn't much American manufacturing anymore, so I'm often forced to look overseas. In such cases, I'm going to have a preference for goods coming from countries that are friendlier toward the US than others. But it's only a preference. The point is that shifting the emphasis from 'dirt cheap' to 'as local as possible' across the consumer spending spectrum can have a significant impact on where your dollars ultimately wind up, and doesn't require a whole lot of work, thought or even sacrifice.
131 | sagehen Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:23:53am |
re: #113 Gus 802
That being said roads, space, and many other infrastructure programs and services can be provided by the private sector. One example is toll roads and private highways not funded by the public but run as a good old fashioned American business.
So toll roads means drivers have to bottleneck at toll points, or get an E-Z pass electronic reader that keeps a permanent record of when and how often your car went through. And where are people who don't want to pay a toll supposed to drive? Do we forbid them movement, or do we have to build another (public) road anyway? And where does the land that the toll road is built on come from if not government action?
I hate toll roads. I hate the very concept of toll roads. I can barely stomach tolls for bridges and tunnels. I think gas taxes should be high enough to cover all highway maintenance beyond the initial construction.
132 | Mr Pancakes Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:24:13am |
re: #127 Gus 802
Any particular reason for the demise? I remember when the USA had cornerstone companies like IBM, Xerox, 3M, Dennison, etc. IBM was a big part of the New York state economy. The demise started in the late 1970s thereabout.
Labor costs.... Mexico thought they could compete, they couldn't..... no shops left in Mexico and they were paying their people $1.00 an hour.
134 | littleoldlady Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:26:54am |
re: #128 Mr Pancakes
Yes! Our supermarket is catching on, too. This week at Acme...orange juice, large loaf of white bread, doz & 1/2 eggs, 8 oz chunk or shredded cheese (real cheese!) all for $1 each!
/Welcome to Omeletteville!
//I've already made French Toast twice and it's not even snowing...
135 | Mr Pancakes Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:28:06am |
re: #130 SixDegrees
Most electronics are made in Japan .
Japan... no way.
Not when it comes to printed circuit boards....... can't even compete.
136 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:28:19am |
re: #132 Mr Pancakes
Labor costs.... Mexico thought they could compete, they couldn't..... no shops left in Mexico and they were paying their people $1.00 an hour.
Ah, the machiladoras. Oddly enough my monitor which I had to swap because it wasn't built very well came either from Mexico or China. Mexico's production didn't pan out as well as expected regarding electronics. A lot of it is the domain of China.
138 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:29:14am |
re: #136 Gus 802
The monitor is a Samsung which is a "South Korean" company.
140 | Mr Pancakes Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:32:00am |
re: #138 Gus 802
The monitor is a Samsung which is a "South Korean" company.
Korea, Taiwan, and India can't compete with China anymore.........
141 | SixDegrees Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:32:20am |
re: #127 Gus 802
Any particular reason for the demise? I remember when the USA had cornerstone companies like IBM, Xerox, 3M, Dennison, etc. IBM was a big part of the New York state economy. The demise started in the late 1970s thereabout.
In many cases, it hasn't been so much a demise as consolidation. There used to be dozens of aerospace firms in the country; now there are only a handful. It isn't because the work has disappeared - there's probably more now than ever, overall - but because the companies that are left have bought up all their former rivals.
It is true that a lot of manufacturing jobs have moved offshore. Look at the price and availability of machine tools you can get from China. There's a reason for it - they use them domestically. One difference is that the relatively unskilled labor it takes to produce a lot of goods is way cheaper in China than it is in the US. Another is that China hasn't yet experienced anything like the US Labor Movement, and it's demands for higher wages, pensions, health benefits and eventual crushing of individual initiative and productivity, although that will inevitably come to China in time.
It's actually somewhat surprising that the UAW and Teamsters aren't already setting up shop over there.
142 | Mr Pancakes Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:33:47am |
re: #134 littleoldlady
Yes! Our supermarket is catching on, too. This week at Acme...orange juice, large loaf of white bread, doz & 1/2 eggs, 8 oz chunk or shredded cheese (real cheese!) all for $1 each!
/Welcome to Omeletteville!
French Toast
French Toast? I feel slighted.
143 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:34:46am |
re: #141 SixDegrees
Well....the last time a bunch of people got together and demanded something from the ChiComs, it didn't end too well for them.
/20 years ago last month, I seem to recall
144 | littleoldlady Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:35:58am |
re: #142 Mr Pancakes
WHOOOPS! Sorry!
/I'll check the price of pancake mix when I'm over there today stocking up on more eggs...
;-)
146 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:38:05am |
re: #141 SixDegrees
Yes. Since the cost of living is so low in China the result is lower wages. American unions are still trying to make inroads worldwide. Most of the time they're focusing on Central and South American nations. Due to the nature of the Chinese government I don't think they'll see anything approaching the American labor movement. Ironic of course. They also play a role in the service and maintenance industry. The largest worldwide airliner maintenance facility is in China.
149 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:40:13am |
re: #148 Iron Fist
They don't need a labor unino. They've got the Communist Party looking out for the workers' rights and interests! What could be better than that?
Exactly. They also take names.
150 | Mr Pancakes Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:40:48am |
re: #145 Iron Fist
I've got a friend you used to work at Phillips (I knew most of their engineering team for a while). He used to tell horror stories about the absolute shit that they'd get in from Mexica.
Phillips Lighting has a large manufacturing plant in Tijuana.
152 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:41:22am |
re: #150 Mr Pancakes
As does Samsung, if I'm not mistaken.
153 | freetoken Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:42:34am |
re: #112 Fenway_Nation
Whether something is wise or not is quite a different question than whether something is constitutional or not.
155 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:42:58am |
re: #145 Iron Fist
I've got a friend you used to work at Phillips (I knew most of their engineering team for a while). He used to tell horror stories about the absolute shit that they'd get in from Mexica. The most amusing was a run of motherboards. When they opened the boxes, the motherboards were fine. Every part was in its place, and it may have even been tested (I don't really remember). The problem was when they removed them from the box. Everything was on the motherboard, hooked up and in the right place. It was just that none of it had been soldered together on the motherboard. Everything fell off when you took it out of the box.
I remember when I first started buy Chinese products. It was a really bad experience. Most of it was junk that literally lasted only week. They've gotten better. Repairing products is no longer an option and replacement is the way it's done. That almost applies to software come to think of it.
156 | Mr Pancakes Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:43:16am |
re: #152 Fenway_Nation
As does Samsung, if I'm not mistaken.
A lot of big manufacturers are down there...... big names..... some of which are my customers.
157 | SixDegrees Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:44:51am |
re: #132 Mr Pancakes
Labor costs.... Mexico thought they could compete, they couldn't..... no shops left in Mexico and they were paying their people $1.00 an hour.
Mexico has another gigantic problem - virtually all of their labor force that is even slightly motivated to work has fled to the US. It's not only a problem for us - it's a gigantic problem for Mexico, because their own workforce is totally depleted of people capable of doing even relatively simple work. As a result, Mexico's economy slides a little further into the swamp, driving even more across the border looking for work, further depleting the workforce...a negative feedback loop if ever there was one.
158 | Mr Pancakes Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:44:52am |
re: #154 Iron Fist
Yeah. The people I knew were in their TV side. All that is moved to Southeast asia, now. Singapore and Malysia, IIRC. Even the engineering jobs are gone overseas.
At one time Tijuana was the TV manufacturing capital of the world (back in the 90's even)....... I think not anymore.
159 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:45:07am |
re: #131 sagehen
So toll roads means drivers have to bottleneck at toll points, or get an E-Z pass electronic reader that keeps a permanent record of when and how often your car went through. And where are people who don't want to pay a toll supposed to drive? Do we forbid them movement, or do we have to build another (public) road anyway? And where does the land that the toll road is built on come from if not government action?
I hate toll roads. I hate the very concept of toll roads. I can barely stomach tolls for bridges and tunnels. I think gas taxes should be high enough to cover all highway maintenance beyond the initial construction.
It does present a conundrum. Having all options available would suffice.
160 | littleoldlady Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:45:14am |
re: #151 Iron Fist
Awwww!
/blushing
I'm okay, thanks for asking. Still managing to look at every Monday as a clean slate just waiting for me to get creative to work...
/or another coupla chances to win the Powerball ;-)
How's by you?
161 | Mr Pancakes Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:48:41am |
re: #157 SixDegrees
Mexico has another gigantic problem - virtually all of their labor force that is even slightly motivated to work has fled to the US. It's not only a problem for us - it's a gigantic problem for Mexico, because their own workforce is totally depleted of people capable of doing even relatively simple work. As a result, Mexico's economy slides a little further into the swamp, driving even more across the border looking for work, further depleting the workforce...a negative feedback loop if ever there was one.
I lived in Mexico for years........ labor has always been hard to find. A shop we used to build boards for had a bus driving around all day, all over town with a loud speaker seeking employees.
167 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 2:54:38am |
re: #162 Iron Fist
It definately applies to software if we can convince the consumer to view it that way. I'd much rather uninstall a unit and do a fresh install (better yet, burn a disk image of the product, and replace everything while you are at it. That way you can control what state the entire machine is in. You don't have to worry about whether they have the latest patch, and whether or not it breaks your current software). It is just hard to keep consumers in the mood to do that very long. I certainly don't want to do it that way. I'm still limping along on old copies of Office 2000 because I have legal copies of it and I don't want to pay my tithe to the Evil Empire.
Might be the way to go even with a new computer. Reformat and reinstall the software and streamline as much as possible. With software I am reminded of the constant stream of new product from MS that are literally defective. XP to a certain extent and worse so was Vista which is now already considered "obsolete" by MS. Not everyone had problems but it was significant enough to result in a newer upcoming release. How effective that is is yet to be seen. Myself I've never had an addiction to software updates and still use 7 year old software for work. It's more than efficient.
168 | littleoldlady Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:01:42am |
re: #166 Iron Fist
Oh boy! :-( {Iron Fist}
Moving is up there in the top 3 of stressful life changes, IMO. If I was smart I'd put this house up for sale but the thought of trying to get rid of as much junk as we have, whipping the joint into shape, and most of all, severing my emotional attachment to this house is stopping me cold.
Yeah, people come and go, lifestyles and situations change, but my home is my anchor...
170 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:04:01am |
Huh, Louis Vuitton has a promotional surrounding the moon landing featuring Buzz Aldrin, Jim Lovell and Sally Ride.
[Link: www.louisvuittonjourneys.com...]
Kind of a CPU hog.
171 | littleoldlady Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:04:36am |
173 | Gus Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:06:45am |
re: #171 littleoldlady
Speaking of coming and going...I just went. :-(
/verybigsigh
Good day, ALL!™
Bye! Get to work! ;)
176 | Fenway_Nation Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:16:23am |
177 | The Other Les Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:17:29am |
Thoughts for the Day
What's the difference between a Fascist and a Progressive?
One wears a silly uniform and the other is just silly.
At the core of both movements is the belief that all aspects of human life must be controlled by the apparatus of the state. Or, to put it another way, it doesn't matter if you're bitten by a rabid doberman or a rabid poodle, you're still going to get rabies shots.
Here's a lot more on this phenomena.
While going out on my morning walk yesterday I passed a newly opened restaurant that had a sign out claiming that it served "organic" vodka.
I thought this organic fetish was silly back in the seventies. What's next? Organic bathtub gin?
So how's your day going?
_
179 | The Other Les Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:24:27am |
180 | The Left Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:30:15am |
re: #179 The Other Les
Other Les, the John J Ray guy you're linking is not a credible source. He's not out in shrieking harpy (aka Crazy Pam) territory, but he's not someone you'd want to cite. Just a head's up.
How's everybody today?
181 | The Left Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:43:16am |
re: #180 iceweasel
I should amend this to say:
He's not quite out in shrieking harpy (aka Crazy Pam) territory,
He's close. I remember his name coming up a few times on the left side of the blogosphere for various things. I'm not going to link his site, (anyone who wants can find it by googling him) but this is an example, plucked off his sidebar (I didn't even have to cherrypick, he lets his crazy flag fly free):
"People who mention differences in black vs. white IQ are these days almost universally howled down and subjected to the most extreme abuse. I am a psychometrician, however, so I feel obliged to defend the scientific truth of the matter: The average black adult has about the same IQ as an average white 11-year-old."
He 'sources' all this with pseudo-scientific babble and footnotes. Bottom line: well-known crank whose work can't be trusted on anything, and who presents himself as an authority on everything.
182 | jim in virginia Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:55:46am |
Morning all. Is this a Buchanan- free zone?
re: #177 The Other Les
My college had so many moonbats they had an organic chemistry course.
183 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:57:16am |
'Morning, Folks.
I almost woke up grumpy today, but thankfully she rolled over and went back to sleep.
S'up?
184 | jim in virginia Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:57:39am |
We've finalized the vacation plans. The wife and I are taking the fourteen years olds (who have a fair grasp of the French language) to Paris and Nice.
The poor Fwench won't know what hit them.
I'm expecting a diplomatic incident.
185 | jim in virginia Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:58:36am |
re: #183 razorbacker
Morning razorbacker, how is life in Booger Hollow?
186 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 3:59:01am |
re: #184 jim in virginia
We've finalized the vacation plans. The wife and I are taking the fourteen years olds (who have a fair grasp of the French language) to Paris and Nice.
The poor Fwench won't know what hit them.
I'm expecting a diplomatic incident.
*Note to self. Short the CAC.*
187 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:00:23am |
re: #185 jim in virginia
Morning razorbacker, how is life in Booger Hollow?
I'm okay. Wouldn't want to speak for anyone else.
How's tricks in ol' Virginny?
188 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:00:40am |
I just saw a fascinating bit on Fox. Mark Muller, owner of Max Motors in Butler, Missouri, is giving a voucher for an AK-47 with the purchase of each pick-up truck.
189 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:03:05am |
re: #188 MandyManners
I just saw a fascinating bit on Fox. Mark Muller, owner of Max Motors in Butler, Missouri, is giving a voucher for an AK-47 with the purchase of each pick-up truck.
You remember that it is the home of Robert Heinlien. Bob would have approved.
I'd rather see them give away a nice Remington, or Savage, or Ruger. But still, they know their target demographic better than I (Heh!).
190 | jim in virginia Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:06:39am |
re: #189 razorbacker
Last year it was a handgun. They're trying to set a sales record.
Muller got in a tiff with the CNN newsbabe. "Why is your slogan God, guns, guts and America?"
"Our slogan is God, guns, guts and American trucks. It's because we sell cars."
191 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:09:02am |
re: #190 jim in virginia
Last year it was a handgun. They're trying to set a sales record.
Muller got in a tiff with the CNN newsbabe. "Why is your slogan God, guns, guts and America?"
"Our slogan is God, guns, guts and American trucks. It's because we sell cars."
The closest towns are Virginia and Peru. 'Course the closest town that you've actually heard of is Kansas City.
It's a nice place, on US71 (the same one that runs through Fayetteville). I did some reset work there, and an old boss of mine has moved there.
192 | Jim in Virginia Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:09:50am |
Here's the CNN/ Muller link.
193 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:10:18am |
re: #189 razorbacker
You remember that it is the home of Robert Heinlien. Bob would have approved.
I'd rather see them give away a nice Remington, or Savage, or Ruger. But still, they know their target demographic better than I (Heh!).
Maybe next year.
194 | Jim in Virginia Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:11:46am |
re: #191 razorbacker
It's not that far from Carthage or Joplin.
The Joplin football team motto: "Carthage delenda est!"
(**made up factoid.)
195 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:14:08am |
196 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:15:25am |
re: #194 Jim in Virginia
Man. That's one of those factoids that just oughta be true.
I proclaim it a fact.
What? That seems to be all that is necessary, nowadays. For some nameless loon on the intraweb to proclaim something.
We can't all be government employees, you know.
197 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:16:01am |
Good morning.
The market futures are pointing to an opening on the upside due to anticipated improving profit numbers.
You see, all the layoffs and cut backs tend to lower operating cost, so even though sales may be down and the economy crummy, profit numbers can be improving.
199 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:19:30am |
re: #197 3 wood
Good morning.
The market futures are pointing to an opening on the upside due to anticipated improving profit numbers.
You see, all the layoffs and cut backs tend to lower operating cost, so even though sales may be down and the economy crummy, profit numbers can be improving.
I been noticing that. At some point rising unemployment will grab attention, and we'll see an pullback, but for now this ride up is nice for some brokers and Wall Streeters.
200 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:23:18am |
Listening to Mr. Muller, I'm struck by one of those passing factoids.
He says that an AK-47 sells for $450 to $500. That is up considerably since I paid attention to Commie guns. A very few years back you could get a 47 for $250, and an SKS for $75 to $125.
Ah well, inflation marches on. I suppose.
201 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:25:33am |
Got into a debate last night with a friend who works for the local school board. He got pulled into a meeting because he stopped by his house and checked his mail. He was waiting for a check. I tried to explain that if they are being bothersome about something so small, he really needs to be careful. He said he has 17 years there and they couldn't fire him. He said it took 2 years for the guy he works with to get on board, so he feels safe. I asked if the other guy could do his job if my he were out of work for an extended time. He said yes. I asked, "why pay you when I have a guy that makes 6 bucks an hour less?" I tried to explain budget cuts and that he is 3 years from a pention. Then he wanted to fight.(drunk)
202 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:27:44am |
re: #201 Cannadian Club Akbar
Got into a debate last night with a friend who works for the local school board. He got pulled into a meeting because he stopped by his house and checked his mail. He was waiting for a check. I tried to explain that if they are being bothersome about something so small, he really needs to be careful. He said he has 17 years there and they couldn't fire him. He said it took 2 years for the guy he works with to get on board, so he feels safe. I asked if the other guy could do his job if my he were out of work for an extended time. He said yes. I asked, "why pay you when I have a guy that makes 6 bucks an hour less?" I tried to explain budget cuts and that he is 3 years from a pention. Then he wanted to fight.(drunk)
Maybe he'll think differently when sober.
203 | 1SG(ret) Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:27:54am |
re: #197 3 wood
Profits arrive as a huge elephant on the backs of the workers. Profits must be stopped at all costs.
All companies should be run as non profit orgs.
//Moonbat comment to me on Friday! I remember his face and will make sure to stay clear of him from now on though (instinct to punch and all). He is a professor at the local University. Our kids are really in trouble when it comes to higher education if this is what it represents.
204 | The Left Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:28:16am |
re: #200 razorbacker
Listening to Mr. Muller, I'm struck by one of those passing factoids.
He says that an AK-47 sells for $450 to $500. That is up considerably since I paid attention to Commie guns. A very few years back you could get a 47 for $250, and an SKS for $75 to $125.
Ah well, inflation marches on. I suppose.
I think lots of gun prices are up now because of the general run on guns/ammo, no?
205 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:28:50am |
re: #197 3 wood
Good morning.
The market futures are pointing to an opening on the upside due to anticipated improving profit numbers.
You see, all the layoffs and cut backs tend to lower operating cost, so even though sales may be down and the economy crummy, profit numbers can be improving.
So we can expect the MSM and droolers to tell us this is good news. How about card check getting dropped although they still need to drop the interest arbitration clause as well.
206 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:29:03am |
Sports Nerd Corner:
Congrats to Stewart Cink for winning the British Open, and for Tom Watson coming in second and giving us geezers an enjoyable weekend.
This was a real bad weekend for sports announcers. I heard two of the worst cases of a sports announcer running their mouth and not thinking I've heard in my life.
First, in one of the more obvious misrepresentations of fact by a broadcaster I've ever heard , as Tiger Woods was winding down his last hole or two of his train wreck round on Friday to miss the cut, Ian Baker-Finch kept saying that Tiger was 5 over par, only one stroke away from making the cut, and could make that up on his last hole or two. Problem is, Woods was 6 over par for the tournament, not 5, and every leader board out there was showing that. There was no way Woods was going to get 2 birdies coming in and about 9 guys would have had to fall apart for the cut line to have moved to 5 over. It was an obvious attempt to cheerlead and keep the Woods fans in the TV audience for a few more minutes.
Second, on ESPN friday night there was a group of sports guys analyzing the baseball teams. One genius (forgot who) said that the Boston Red Sox "have too much pitching".......
For those not familiar with baseball, saying a team has too much pitching talent is like saying that a runner is too fast, or a weight lifter is too strong.
To his credit, Buck Showalter who was on the show took the guy to task for that comment.
If sure BoSox fans out there will be all worried that they have "too much pitching".
207 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:30:02am |
re: #199 razorbacker
Lowering personnel costs lowers your break even point, so you can make a profit on a lot less business.
208 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:30:40am |
re: #195 MandyManners
The joke's on her.
I watched that whole piece, which parenthetically is more CNN than I've seen in quite some time, and it kind of indicates why CNN has a ratings problem in MidAmerica.
They just don't get the mindset. MidAmerica likes them some preachers, but they expect preaching from preachers, not newsreaders.
209 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:30:55am |
re: #203 1SG(ret)
Profits arrive as a huge elephant on the backs of the workers. Profits must be stopped at all costs.
All companies should be run as non profit orgs.//Moonbat comment to me on Friday! I remember his face and will make sure to stay clear of him from now on though (instinct to punch and all). He is a professor at the local University. Our kids are really in trouble when it comes to higher education if this is what it represents.
Just how in the world does he think those employees' pay come about if not for profits? How old is this nitwit?
210 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:31:10am |
re: #206 3 wood
Sports Nerd Corner:
Congrats to Stewart Cink for winning the British Open, and for Tom Watson coming in second and giving us geezers an enjoyable weekend.
This was a real bad weekend for sports announcers. I heard two of the worst cases of a sports announcer running their mouth and not thinking I've heard in my life.
First, in one of the more obvious misrepresentations of fact by a broadcaster I've ever heard , as Tiger Woods was winding down his last hole or two of his train wreck round on Friday to miss the cut, Ian Baker-Finch kept saying that Tiger was 5 over par, only one stroke away from making the cut, and could make that up on his last hole or two. Problem is, Woods was 6 over par for the tournament, not 5, and every leader board out there was showing that. There was no way Woods was going to get 2 birdies coming in and about 9 guys would have had to fall apart for the cut line to have moved to 5 over. It was an obvious attempt to cheerlead and keep the Woods fans in the TV audience for a few more minutes.
Second, on ESPN friday night there was a group of sports guys analyzing the baseball teams. One genius (forgot who) said that the Boston Red Sox "have too much pitching".......
For those not familiar with baseball, saying a team has too much pitching talent is like saying that a runner is too fast, or a weight lifter is too strong.
To his credit, Buck Showalter who was on the show took the guy to task for that comment.
If sure BoSox fans out there will be all worried that they have "too much pitching".
That very thought keeps me awake at night. Although the last time I heard we had too much pitching they ended up trading Bronson Arroyo for Willy Mo Pena.
211 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:31:59am |
re: #203 1SG(ret)
Profits arrive as a huge elephant on the backs of the workers. Profits must be stopped at all costs.
I have every confidence that Commrade Obama will accomplish that end.
212 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:32:30am |
re: #208 razorbacker
I watched that whole piece, which parenthetically is more CNN than I've seen in quite some time, and it kind of indicates why CNN has a ratings problem in MidAmerica.
They just don't get the mindset. MidAmerica likes them some preachers, but they expect preaching from preachers, not newsreaders.
We're just bitter clingers in fly-over land.
213 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:33:44am |
re: #204 iceweasel
I think lots of gun prices are up now because of the general run on guns/ammo, no?
Could be. I'm not in that market, so I don't know.
I do know that there are tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of AK-47s around the globe. Not a particularly rare or valuable commodity.
But temporary market pressures can distort prices in the short run.
214 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:33:52am |
re: #211 3 wood
I have every confidence that Commrade Obama will accomplish that end.
If he doesn't accomplish it with Cap and trade or Nationalized health care what will come out of his bag of tricks?
215 | 1SG(ret) Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:34:01am |
re: #209 MandyManners
Just how in the world does he think those employees' pay come about if not for profits? How old is this nitwit?
I really didn't stay around him long enough to get his full take on the subject (goes back to the puch instinct). He is product of the early 60's movement! Probably around 65 or so.
216 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:34:39am |
Each department is supposed to cut $100,000,000.00 from her or his budget by today. Not a word from the White House on the status of each department today. Was it just a gimmick?
217 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:35:08am |
re: #203 1SG(ret)
He is a professor at the local University. Our kids are really in trouble when it comes to higher education if this is what it represents.
I am not surprised, I hear stuff like that from my fellow Professors all the time. If you really want a jolt, walk through the teacher parking lots at any public university and look at the bumper stickers.
Joe Stalin would be proud.
218 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:36:01am |
re: #216 MandyManners
Each department is supposed to cut $100,000,000.00 from her or his budget by today. Not a word from the White House on the status of each department today. Was it just a gimmick?
The only one he gives a shit about presenting any cuts is Defense, so I wouldn't expect anything from the soon to be Red House.
219 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:36:09am |
re: #215 1SG(ret)
I really didn't stay around him long enough to get his full take on the subject (goes back to the puch instinct). He is product of the early 60's movement! Probably around 65 or so.
He's in an industry that does not produce profits but that's really no excuse. I hope he's retired soon.
220 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:36:29am |
re: #209 MandyManners
Just how in the world does he think those employees' pay come about if not for profits?
People like that think all good things come from the government.
221 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:36:47am |
re: #218 soxfan4life
The only one he gives a shit about presenting any cuts is Defense, so I wouldn't expect anything from the soon to be Red House.
Soon? Heck, some would say it already is.
222 | sagehen Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:37:04am |
re: #216 MandyManners
wow, that'll knock about 1/2000th off the deficit.
223 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:37:20am |
re: #220 3 wood
People like that think all good things come from the government.
Those same people bitch about the one good thing our government provides, a strong National Defense.
224 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:37:55am |
re: #220 3 wood
People like that think all good things come from the government.
I guarantee you he voted for FCBBHO.
225 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:38:17am |
re: #210 soxfan4life
Although the last time I heard we had too much pitching they ended up trading Bronson Arroyo for Willy Mo Pena.
The White Sox could be persuaded to part with Paul Konerko for one of your young live arms. It would be a sacrifice for the White Sox, but we would try to grit our teeth and get over it.
226 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:38:38am |
227 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:39:41am |
re: #217 3 wood
I am not surprised, I hear stuff like that from my fellow Professors all the time. If you really want a jolt, walk through the teacher parking lots at any public university and look at the bumper stickers.
Joe Stalin would be proud.
'Course I'm long removed from my school daze, but were I a bright-eyed young fellow today I think that I'd go to a good technical school, learn an actual trade that will make a living, and then attend a liberal arts college nights and weekends for the classical education.
I really enjoyed college, and found the lifestyle beguiling, but as far as really using the teachings to make a living, well, results have been decidedly mixed.
228 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:40:28am |
A chemistry professor in a large college had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Professor noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt.
The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.
In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, 'Do you know how to catch wild pigs?'
The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke. 'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming.
When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in The last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.
Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.
The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America . The government keeps pushing us toward socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc..
While we continually lose our freedoms -- just a little at a time. One should always remember: There is no such thing as a free lunch! Also, a politician will never provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself.
Also, if you see that all of this wonderful government 'help' is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America , you might want to send this on to your friends. If you think the free ride is essential to your way of life then you will probably delete this email, but God help you when the
gate slams shut!
Keep your eyes on the newly elected politicians who are about to slam the gate on America .
229 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:41:18am |
re: #214 soxfan4life
If he doesn't accomplish it with Cap and trade or Nationalized health care what will come out of his bag of tricks?
Higher taxes regardless and punishing the successful.
The Democrats are focused on punishing the successful now. They are not happy unless everyone is miserable. It's not fair that you succeed by hard work while others fail.
230 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:42:47am |
re: #225 3 wood
The White Sox could be persuaded to part with Paul Konerko for one of your young live arms. It would be a sacrifice for the White Sox, but we would try to grit our teeth and get over it.
The talk here is Clay Buchholtz, Daniel Bard,Micheal Bowden and Lars Anderson for Roy Halladay, which to me is way too much to give for a 32 yr old pitcher who has spent time on the DL and is under contract through next year. I'd rather see the Sox put together a trade package for Hanley Ramirez from the Marlins, and spend the money to tie him up long term, give them some power to make up for Big Papi. As for White Sox fans, 0 is one so I hope they suffer for at least as long as we will suffer from him. Cubbies are a different story.
231 | 1SG(ret) Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:43:07am |
re: #217 3 wood
You are so right. They have little to no idea how their lives would be different under a gov they aspire to see take hold here. Of course they would be the elite class!
My real problem is that I have a son that will be attending that school in 2 years. He (son) does have a good grasp of how one gets ahead in the real world though. Just hope he can maintain his cool (not punch) and graduate!
Work calls early around here so, must get to it. All have a good day!
232 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:43:41am |
re: #229 3 wood
The libs want guaranteed equal outcomes, not equal opportunity.
233 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:43:45am |
Got to head for work and pay for Obama's next apology tour.
234 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:44:54am |
Good Morning LGF.
I hear we got us an extremely big problem lately with all these fucking extremists all over the place - the left, the right, zealots, atheists, terrorists, pacifists, whackos, moonbats, commies, globalists, nationalists, liberals, fascists, nazis, tree-huggers, racists, greens - to name just a few.
It's getting kind of risky to be absolutely sure of anything these days.
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235 | TheMatrix31 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:45:24am |
Well....it's been exactly six months since Obama's been office.
His grade? F for failed.
Our grade? F for fucked.
237 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:46:13am |
re: #232 rightside
Did you see my post yesterday about returning to Hood? Job market there is so much better than here in the People's Republic of MA. Start a job with Lockheed Martin on August 3 doing the same thing I did in the Army for part of my time and will be making much more than the Army paid me and with no PT.
238 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:47:01am |
re: #232 rightside
The libs want guaranteed equal outcomes, not equal opportunity.
Maybe that's one of the flaws in the Constitution that FCBBHO wants to "fix".
239 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:47:10am |
I see Howard Dean on the tube saying that private health insurance has failed during the past 30 years because they haven't controlled price increases.
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I loves me some irony, and the irony of a government ruler complaining about the private sector not controlling price increases is....MWAH!...so tasty. So tender and delicious. It slides down the gullet without so much as a single chewing motion.
240 | Spare O'Lake Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:48:25am |
re: #232 rightside
The libs want guaranteed equal outcomes, not equal opportunity.
No shithead left behind.
241 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:48:56am |
re: #232 rightside
The libs want guaranteed equal outcomes, not equal opportunity.
Not for all, they want guaranteed outcomes for the oppressed minorites, if they could guarantee failure for white,male, veterans they would put what they are doing now on the back burner.
242 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:58:34am |
re: #237 soxfan4life
No, I didn't, but congrats. Hmm, I've heard of that company...I will have to search our corporate directory for you now LOL.
Good for you!
243 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 4:59:11am |
Good morning all. Just checking in before I see where this thread has been and is going. Also figuring out what the hell has been going on here at work.
244 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:01:08am |
re: #238 MandyManners
Absolutely. Returning the country's wealth back to its rightful owners. Despite ginormous amounts of proof, they still cling to the notion that it's a zero sum game. In order for one person to make a dollar, another must lose it.
245 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:01:53am |
re: #242 rightside
No, I didn't, but congrats. Hmm, I've heard of that company...I will have to search our corporate directory for you now LOL.
Good for you!
It's DS2 and I will be doing HVAC work at Fort Hood. I can't wait to get there and get started, but man don't you accumulate alot of stuff in 7 years.
246 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:02:02am |
re: #239 razorbacker
Like a fine, single-malt scotch, or ice cold triple-filtered vodka.
247 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:03:23am |
re: #245 soxfan4life
I am doing essentially the same thing I did back in the Navy, at the exact same place I used to instruct, and getting paid much more for it now.
Congrats on getting your job!
248 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:04:38am |
re: #243 BlueCanuck
This may sound weird, but until recently, your av was a shade of green to me.
249 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:04:45am |
Well, Folks and Folkettes, there's my hour of blather.
I'd better go see what fresh mischief awaits. What I can do to tinker about in this great engine of prosperity today.
Work hard today, people. The world depends on you.
251 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:06:30am |
re: #247 rightside
Thanks, it was a long time coming. And in this economy it seems like a big accomplishment.
252 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:07:06am |
re: #246 rightside
Like a fine, single-malt scotch, or ice cold triple-filtered vodka.
As an aside:
For years, the tipple of choice has been Wild Turkey 101. Due to rising price I recently tried Old Charter 101.
A revelation. Smoother, more drinkable, and cheaper. What's not to like?
253 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:08:05am |
re: #235 TheMatrix31
Well....it's been exactly six months since Obama's been office.
His grade? F for failed.
Our grade? F for fucked.
Good morning. Obama a failure? Puuuuleze, the stimulus has created millions of jobs & he singlehandedly captured Bin Laden, while setting a new tradition for men to jet off to New York once a week with their wives for date night.
254 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:12:03am |
re: #244 rightside
Absolutely. Returning the country's wealth back to its rightful owners. Despite ginormous amounts of proof, they still cling to the notion that it's a zero sum game. In order for one person to make a dollar, another must lose it.
Equal opportunty misery.
255 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:12:41am |
re: #253 opnion
Good morning. Obama a failure? Puuuuleze, the stimulus has created millions of jobs & he singlehandedly captured Bin Laden, while setting a new tradition for men to jet off to New York once a week with their wives for date night.
Don't forget he singlehandedly saved the teleprompter industry as well.
256 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:12:45am |
Movie review! I saw "knowing" with Nicholas Cage & a bunch of people that you never heard of. It all has to do with numbers predicting tragedies & Cage an MIT prof tries to ward them off. Just when you think that it can't get sillier Extra Terrestrials show up. It is two hours of my life that I'll never get back.
257 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:12:51am |
re: #252 razorbacker
What's a few libations between friends?
258 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:13:49am |
re: #256 opnion
Kind of how I feel after watching most of the crap Hollywood puts out these days.
259 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:14:10am |
re: #255 soxfan4life
Don't forget he singlehandedly saved the teleprompter industry as well.
Yes indeed , he has made it a growth industry & I forgot all of those necessary government jobs that he has created.
260 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:14:20am |
re: #253 opnion
Good morning. Obama a failure? Puuuuleze, the stimulus has created millions of jobs & he singlehandedly captured Bin Laden, while setting a new tradition for men to jet off to New York once a week with their wives for date night.
Is Wednesday night still party night?
261 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:15:07am |
re: #256 opnion
Movie review! I saw "knowing" with Nicholas Cage & a bunch of people that you never heard of. It all has to do with numbers predicting tragedies & Cage an MIT prof tries to ward them off. Just when you think that it can't get sillier Extra Terrestrials show up. It is two hours of my life that I'll never get back.
Any Troofer aspects?
262 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:15:08am |
re: #258 soxfan4life
Kind of how I feel after watching most of the crap Hollywood puts out these days.
As expensive as it is to make a movie, why aren't they better?
263 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:15:19am |
re: #259 opnion
He's going to have our money based on the shit standard soon, as the dollar won't be worth shit.
264 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:15:28am |
265 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:16:57am |
re: #261 MandyManners
Any Troofer aspects?
No , but it does deal with some seriouis global Warming issues, like the Sun torching the entire planet & he figures it out with numbers.
267 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:17:43am |
I hate those home-alarm commercials. They always feature some woman who freaks out, screams and runs into a room instead of out the back door. I'd love to see one in which the woman grabs her gun and blows a few holes into the intruder.
268 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:18:26am |
re: #265 opnion
No , but it does deal with some seriouis global Warming issues, like the Sun torching the entire planet & he figures it out with numbers.
He figures what out with numbers?
269 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:18:30am |
re: #262 opnion
As expensive as it is to make a movie, why aren't they better?
Because they spend all their money on actors and set design. They spend little on writers and people who think up movies. Seems like everything that comes out is a remake of an old TV show or movie. Could they get any lazier or lamer? Something to be super excited about is they will be coming up with movies about 0 pretty soon, then you can spend $20 to take a date or your spouse to a 2 hour 0bama infomercial.
271 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:20:16am |
re: #267 MandyManners
I hate those home-alarm commercials. They always feature some woman who freaks out, screams and runs into a room instead of out the back door. I'd love to see one in which the woman grabs her gun and blows a few holes into the intruder.
Or has the dog with his mouth on the intruders neck and she has the shotgun at his head.
273 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:22:15am |
Fox is hammering the Hizb ut-Tahrir conference in Chicago, calling it a "pro-terror" group. Has either CNN or MSNBC mentioned it at all?
What does Hizb ut-Tahrir mean in English? I reckon the first word is "party".
274 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:23:43am |
re: #268 MandyManners
He figures what out with numbers?
Yes, there was a school project in 1959 in Dawes Elementary, where the children draw pictures to put into a time capsule, to be opened in 50 years. One little girl does sets of what appear to be random numbers.
When the capsule is opened each child selects a picture which is a prediction of the future, Wouldn't ya know Cage's kid gets the numbers & Cage just happens to be an MIT prof.
275 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:24:27am |
re: #228 rightside
Reminds me of stories on how Africans catch monkeys.
276 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:25:08am |
re: #269 soxfan4life
Because they spend all their money on actors and set design. They spend little on writers and people who think up movies. Seems like everything that comes out is a remake of an old TV show or movie. Could they get any lazier or lamer? Something to be super excited about is they will be coming up with movies about 0 pretty soon, then you can spend $20 to take a date or your spouse to a 2 hour 0bama infomercial.
No need, he is on TV everyday. He might get an Emmy nomination & it would be racist if he doesn't win.
278 | MikeAlv77 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:27:34am |
re: #200 razorbacker
Listening to Mr. Muller, I'm struck by one of those passing factoids.
He says that an AK-47 sells for $450 to $500. That is up considerably since I paid attention to Commie guns. A very few years back you could get a 47 for $250, and an SKS for $75 to $125.
Ah well, inflation marches on. I suppose.
THats mainly due to supply and demand. Since the 0-man got elected, the price of guns has gone up. KI priced some "fun things" recently and the price for an AR-15 or AK is way up. Lots of people buying them. Heck, even my pastor is trying to get an AR-15. Now me, I am looking for a nice HK-91... would go well with my FN-FAL....
279 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:27:40am |
re: #271 soxfan4life
Or has the dog with his mouth on the intruders neck and she has the shotgun at his head.
Or, maybe the dog is Toby and he's busy smearing his butt all over the carpet. Oh, wait. That's the Stanley Steamer commercial.
Seriously, in one commercial, the intruder kicks in the front door in the middle of the day and the woman and her kid are standing in a room with huge windows.
What does the woman do? She runs up the stairs. Is this a safe/panic room? Does she even lock the door? If the guy is strong enough to kick down the front door, an inner door likely will be a piece of cake even with a lock.
What happens then? Jump out the window? If the intruder is hyped on dope, he likely won't give a shit about some alarm going off--by the time the alarm company calls the victim and then routes the cops to the house, she and her daughter are dead or kidnapped.
280 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:28:28am |
re: #248 rightside
Well I just modified it last week from green to the proper colour to match the nick. :)
re: #269 soxfan4life
Sat down and watched "Night of the Living Dead" for the first time this weekend. Pretty good story line. Unfortunately my two friends kept making the comment "I keep waiting for Michael Jackson to show up". Of course they would start with either the dance moves or chorus to "Thriller". Still enjoyed it.
281 | MikeAlv77 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:30:04am |
re: #267 MandyManners
I hate those home-alarm commercials. They always feature some woman who freaks out, screams and runs into a room instead of out the back door. I'd love to see one in which the woman grabs her gun and blows a few holes into the intruder.
I agree.. She just panics and grabs her child and does nothing except answer the phone when the ADT guy calls and says is everything alright.. yeah
282 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:30:40am |
283 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:31:05am |
re: #277 rightside
One method, and I have heard of nuts in a narrow mouthed jar. As well, in Western Africa they will remove a tree on a monkey path between two trees they would make a ramp going down and a ramp going up. Let the monkeys get used to it then put a snare trap on the ramp going up.
284 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:31:10am |
Mandy, if looks could kill...
Image: pretty-rich-white-girls-demotivational-poster-1244431600.jpg
285 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:31:39am |
re: #282 MandyManners
I'll look for another link, I can't access the tube here.
286 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:32:15am |
re: #274 opnion
Yes, there was a school project in 1959 in Dawes Elementary, where the children draw pictures to put into a time capsule, to be opened in 50 years. One little girl does sets of what appear to be random numbers.
When the capsule is opened each child selects a picture which is a prediction of the future, Wouldn't ya know Cage's kid gets the numbers & Cage just happens to be an MIT prof.
Kinda' lame.
287 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:32:40am |
re: #283 BlueCanuck
ahh, similar to the rice/coconut thing.
WAIT! what do they do with those monkeys? Train them to be organ grinders?
288 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:33:47am |
re: #286 MandyManners
Kinda' lame.
I actually am not giving it its true props, this movie is heinous.
290 | MikeAlv77 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:34:42am |
re: #279 MandyManners
I am thinking she should grab a gun and do a Mozambique drill on him. (also called the Rhodesian drill)... 2 to the body, one to the head...
291 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:36:13am |
re: #287 rightside
Monkeys = tree rats. They trap and kill them to keep them from raiding crops and such. Also an excellent source of protein.
292 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:36:41am |
re: #281 MikeAlv77
I agree.. She just panics and grabs her child and does nothing except answer the phone when the ADT guy calls and says is everything alright.. yeah
Yeah, answering the phone right after an intruder kicks in the door would not be high on my list of priorities. If I did answer, it would be after the intruder is a bloody pulp--it'd save me the hassle of calling 911.
Dispatcher: "What's your emergency?"
Mandy: "Some guy's guts are staining my marble floor."
294 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:37:40am |
re: #284 rightside
Mandy, if looks could kill...
[Link: www.motifake.com...]
I seem to recall seeing this before. Was it at a memorial service? The one in France?
295 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:38:12am |
re: #288 opnion
I actually am not giving it its true props, this movie is heinous.
Cage is hot but, not that hot.
296 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:38:34am |
re: #294 MandyManners
I'm not sure, I think it was the G8 meeting, but I could be wrong. Priceless though. How many times will that be on the cover of time?
297 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:38:41am |
298 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:39:16am |
re: #290 MikeAlv77
I am thinking she should grab a gun and do a Mozambique drill on him. (also called the Rhodesian drill)... 2 to the body, one to the head...
It gets the job done.
299 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:39:20am |
re: #295 MandyManners
Cage is hot but, not that hot.
He so seriously overacts in this thing. He is emoting all over the place.
300 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:39:34am |
re: #293 rightside
OMG! does PETA know about this?
///
Help! Help! We must save teh tree kittehs. :)
301 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:40:17am |
re: #297 MandyManners
arrgghh, my luck.
go to youtube and enter "totally awesome guns and range"
Should be one of the first few.
302 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:40:34am |
re: #296 rightside
I'm not sure, I think it was the G8 meeting, but I could be wrong. Priceless though. How many times will that be on the cover of time?
Neverrrrrrrrrrrr.
303 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:41:15am |
re: #299 opnion
He so seriously overacts in this thing. He is emoting all over the place.
Who's the director?
304 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:41:27am |
re: #301 rightside
arrgghh, my luck.
go to youtube and enter "totally awesome guns and range"
Should be one of the first few.
Will do.
305 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:42:25am |
306 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:45:44am |
re: #301 rightside
arrgghh, my luck.
go to youtube and enter "totally awesome guns and range"
Should be one of the first few.
I didn't get a free rock when I bought my DE .50.
307 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:48:26am |
309 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:49:15am |
re: #307 MandyManners
According to IMDB, hiis shtick seems to be hocus-pocus and music.
This movie is really hocus-pocus & silly
311 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:55:57am |
Oh how nice. Why don't we just pay for everything for everyone on the planet?
I'm glad the adults are in charge now. Whew, I was feeling guilty making money for my work.
312 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:56:47am |
re: #308 rightside
Oh my, you own a DE 50?
*swoons*
It's my precious. I also have a .22 'cause the DE is just not small enough for all purses.
313 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:58:26am |
re: #309 opnion
This movie is really hocus-pocus & silly
First, National Treasure and now, this. Is Cage a secret conspiracy theorist? He surely doesn't need the money.
314 | MikeAlv77 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 5:59:56am |
re: #312 MandyManners
It's my precious. I also have a .22 'cause the DE is just not small enough for all purses.
Well, if someone breaks into Mandy's house, she'll be able to put a hole through the guy you could walk through. They always say, bring enough gun... with a DE 50, not a problem.
I had a DE 44 that was sweet.... traded it on a S&W 44 revolver.
315 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:00:10am |
re: #312 MandyManners
I'll stop right there before I get whacked.
316 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:04:20am |
We shouldn't be meddling in other countries' elections.
In the Islamic Republic it is illegal to execute a young woman, regardless of her crime, if she is a virgin, he explained. Therefore a "wedding" ceremony is conducted the night before the execution: The young girl is forced to have sexual intercourse with a prison guard - essentially raped by her "husband."
"I regret that, even though the marriages were legal," he said.
Why the regret, if the marriages were "legal?"
"Because," he went on, "I could tell that the girls were more afraid of their 'wedding' night than of the execution that awaited them in the morning. And they would always fight back, so we would have to put sleeping pills in their food. By morning the girls would have an empty expression; it seemed like they were ready or wanted to die.
"I remember hearing them cry and scream after [the rape] was over," he said. "I will never forget how this one girl clawed at her own face and neck with her finger nails afterwards. She had deep scratches all over her."
SNIP
How's that hope and change working out for ya?
317 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:04:22am |
Huh- I think it was my modem connection. Let me test this theory.....
318 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:05:18am |
re: #314 MikeAlv77
Well, if someone breaks into Mandy's house, she'll be able to put a hole through the guy you could walk through. They always say, bring enough gun... with a DE 50, not a problem.
I had a DE 44 that was sweet.... traded it on a S&W 44 revolver.
It sometimes excites the guys at the range.
319 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:06:18am |
re: #311 rightside
Oh how nice. Why don't we just pay for everything for everyone on the planet?
I'm glad the adults are in charge now. Whew, I was feeling guilty making money for my work.
I didnt' see his name in that article but, I smell Holdren all over this.
320 | MikeAlv77 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:06:33am |
re: #316 rightside
But should we respect all cultures... and who is to say that ours is superior.
///
This makes me sick. They even know what they are doing is wrong but hey, the govt says you have to do it this way...
321 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:06:55am |
re: #315 rightside
I'll stop right there before I get whacked.
That went right over my head. Perhaps it's better that way.
323 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:08:14am |
re: #316 rightside
We shouldn't be meddling in other countries' elections.
SNIP
How's that hope and change working out for ya?
I didn't need to read that. Maybe I'll print it out and take it with me to the range soon.
324 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:08:45am |
re: #317 Sharmuta
Huh- I think it was my modem connection. Let me test this theory.....
Whatever it it, I hope you get back up to speed SOON.
326 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:09:24am |
...Another change proposed by Mr. Obama and the Democrats is forbidding insurance companies from considering pre-existing conditions when granting insurance or determining what to charge. By itself, this means that most people will not want to pay for insurance when they are healthy but instead will wait to buy it only when they "need" it. After all, there's no reason to pay premiums when you're healthy if there is no deterrent to picking up coverage later, when you are sick.Mr. Obama's proposed plan to force everyone to get insurance will not solve this problem unless the government ensures that all insurance companies provide exactly the same coverage and quality of service. Otherwise, people will get the cheapest coverage available to fulfill the mandated requirement and wait until they get sick to purchase better care. In short order, high-quality insurance will be driven out of the market because it will be too expensive for most people given cheaper short-term options. ...
Destroying private health insurance
Whatta buncha morons.
327 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:09:44am |
I think the port on either my computer or my modem was bad, because I completely lost the internet last night. My modem and computer were not on speaking terms. So I switched to the USB port connection and not only am I back online, the slow page load issue is gone.
328 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:10:01am |
re: #323 MandyManners
I didn't need to read that. Maybe I'll print it out and take it with me to the range soon.
How about like right now.
329 | bloodnok Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:10:13am |
re: #317 Sharmuta
Huh- I think it was my modem connection. Let me test this theory.....
Fingers crossed. {Sharm}
330 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:10:26am |
See- it's now so fast I can get back to back comments again!
331 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:10:32am |
re: #320 MikeAlv77
But should we respect all cultures... and who is to say that ours is superior.
///
This makes me sick. They even know what they are doing is wrong but hey, the govt says you have to do it this way...
Doesn't the government have to do this in order to get around the words of the most benevolent Allah?
Man, oh man. I don't know how I kept a straight face while typing that.
332 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:11:23am |
333 | bloodnok Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:11:42am |
re: #330 Sharmuta
See- it's now so fast I can get back to back comments again!
There will be no stopping her now. *sigh*
/:D
334 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:12:16am |
re: #329 bloodnok
It's working, otherwise you wouldn't see me. Who knew such little things like connection ports could be such a pain in the ass?
335 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:12:18am |
re: #323 MandyManners
And to think this administration couldn't come up with something to say about the theocracy in Iran, until days later.
336 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:12:22am |
re: #327 Sharmuta
I think the port on either my computer or my modem was bad, because I completely lost the internet last night. My modem and computer were not on speaking terms. So I switched to the USB port connection and not only am I back online, the slow page load issue is gone.
w00t!
338 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:12:45am |
339 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:13:17am |
re: #336 MandyManners
It was a horrible ordeal. I need chocolate.
340 | lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:14:00am |
Morning all.
I'm holding out hope that Obama's Health Care fiasco is going to die an ignoble death. Don't know why, but I'm feeling optimistic. If it fails, will Obama freak out on the Congress? I can totally picture him getting all huffy and pissy. But I get ahead of myself.
341 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:14:10am |
re: #335 rightside
And to think this administration couldn't come up with something to say about the theocracy in Iran, until days later.
To be fair, did the Bush Administration say anything when that young woman was hanged from that crane?
343 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:14:50am |
re: #339 Sharmuta
It was a horrible ordeal. I need chocolate.
I have coffee with half-and-half and a Kashi trail mix bar.
344 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:15:17am |
re: #339 Sharmuta
It was a horrible ordeal. I need chocolate.
Have you heard anything from Walter or Kilgore about their computers?
345 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:15:24am |
re: #341 MandyManners
Probably not. Both missed a chance to compare and contrast how things are between us.
346 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:16:23am |
re: #340 lincolntf
Morning all.
I'm holding out hope that Obama's Health Care fiasco is going to die an ignoble death. Don't know why, but I'm feeling optimistic. If it fails, will Obama freak out on the Congress? I can totally picture him getting all huffy and pissy. But I get ahead of myself.
Will the demand that a clause denying tax-funded terminations be the sticking point?
347 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:16:48am |
re: #343 MandyManners
I have coffee with half-and-half and a Kashi trail mix bar.
What kind of Kashi Trail Mix bar? The Chocolate Raspberry ones were pretty good.
348 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:17:24am |
Good morning y'all - from a cooler (66 degrees going to 85 degrees with the usual T-Storms predicted for this afternoon/evening) but sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?
349 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:18:20am |
re: #342 rightside
Indoor or outdoor range?
Both but, the in-door range requires a bit of travel whereas the out-door one is not far. In fact, I can hear the guns at time. Mother's Day was really really busy. (I've yet to come up with a reason for that one.)
350 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:18:25am |
Wow- and the Master Spy loading in 2 seconds. I feel like a kid at Christmas.
351 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:19:45am |
re: #347 Sharmuta
What kind of Kashi Trail Mix bar? The Chocolate Raspberry ones were pretty good.
It's just the plain one. I fear chocolate this early in the morning 'cause I get hyped enough on the coffee.
352 | lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:19:48am |
re: #346 MandyManners
I hope not. The fact that it will fail miserably (and expensively) should be enough.
353 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:20:11am |
re: #350 Sharmuta
Wow- and the Master Spy loading in 2 seconds. I feel like a kid at Christmas.
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
354 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:20:54am |
re: #352 lincolntf
I hope not. The fact that it will fail miserably (and expensively) should be enough.
That issue might be enough to galvinize conservative Democrats.
355 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:21:02am |
On Drudge:
RASMUSSEN 2012 poll released at 10:30AM ET
Obama 45% Romney 45%
Obama 48% Palin 42%
Also....
SPENDING SCARED: WHITE HOUSE PUTS OFF RELEASE OF BUDGET UPDATE...
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $2,531,600 FOR 'HAM, WATER ADDED, COOKED, FROZEN, SLICED, 2-LB'...
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $1,191,200 FOR '2 POUND FROZEN HAM SLICED'...
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $351,807 FOR 'REPLACE AND UPGRADE THE DUMBWAITER'...
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $1,562,568 FOR 'MOZZARELLA CHEESE'...
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $5,708,260 FOR 'PROCESS CHEESE'...
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $16,784,272 FOR 'CANNED PORK'...
356 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:21:12am |
re: #5 capitalist piglet
I have suffered for my music. Now it’s your turn.— Neil Innes
Oh man, I love this quote. I love it.
Have you heard it in context? Great Dylan spoof/mockery...
357 | fat bastard vegetarian Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:21:23am |
I have suffered for my music. Now it’s your turn.— Neil Innes
"Before we start, the Steinway Piano Company has asked for me to say that this is a Baldwin Piano."
-Victor Borge
358 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:21:27am |
Lemme try that again...
359 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:21:33am |
re: #340 lincolntf
This gives me "hope".
Poll Shows Obama Slipping on Key Issues
Approval Rating on Health Care Falls Below 50 Percent
But I wouldn't go so far as to feel optimistic just yet.
361 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:22:57am |
re: #7 jcm
It's all a phony, didn't you see the movie OJ did about it?
That's why The Man had to frame him.
362 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:24:49am |
*sigh* Sometimes I really hate Monday mornings. This one is really off to a stellar start in more ways then one.
363 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:25:26am |
re: #348 {realwest}
Good morning y'all - from a cooler (66 degrees going to 85 degrees with the usual T-Storms predicted for this afternoon/evening) but sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?
Doing well!
Just returned (a couple of hours ago) from visiting my son, and house hunting with he and his wife.
An extra large hug for you today!
Hope you are doing well.
364 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:25:33am |
re: #355 Pianobuff
On Drudge:
RASMUSSEN 2012 poll released at 10:30AM ET
Obama 45% Romney 45%
Obama 48% Palin 42%
Also....SPENDING SCARED: WHITE HOUSE PUTS OFF RELEASE OF BUDGET UPDATE...
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $2,531,600 FOR 'HAM, WATER ADDED, COOKED, FROZEN, SLICED, 2-LB'...
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $1,191,200 FOR '2 POUND FROZEN HAM SLICED'...
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $351,807 FOR 'REPLACE AND UPGRADE THE DUMBWAITER'...
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $1,562,568 FOR 'MOZZARELLA CHEESE'...
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $5,708,260 FOR 'PROCESS CHEESE'...
RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $16,784,272 FOR 'CANNED PORK'...
What does that mean?
365 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:26:49am |
re: #362 BlueCanuck
*sigh* Sometimes I really hate Monday mornings. This one is really off to a stellar start in more ways then one.
It's Monday?
Why am I always the last to know these things?
366 | songbird Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:27:21am |
re: #364 MandyManners
What does that mean?
What I want to know is which senator paid for the 2 lb of sliced ham for $2,531,000,000.
367 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:27:22am |
re: #364 MandyManners
What does that mean?
The 2nd set of items are links to contracts awarded through recovery.gov (aka the stimulus).... lots of food products. I assume that's what you were asking about, no?
368 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:27:32am |
re: #355 Pianobuff
Lots of pork.
I wonder: who's the dumbwaiter?
/
369 | lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:27:41am |
re: #364 MandyManners
I clicked on the link to the "canned pork" appropriation. All I can tell is that some company in MN gets a check for 16 million dollars. I don't see anything about what they're supposed to do in return.
Better be some damned good SPAM they're churning out up there.
370 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:27:41am |
371 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:27:56am |
372 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:28:09am |
re: #360 fat bastard vegetarian
Kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirk!
Vegetaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarian!!
373 | songbird Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:28:15am |
$2,531,000,000 for 2 pounds of sliced ham (water added)........now that is Government Pork!
374 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:28:39am |
re: #363 J.D.
Hi {J.D.} Thank you kindly! I'm feeling not so hot today - I think it's just too much stress and all.
How are you doing this morning?
375 | lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:29:04am |
re: #367 Pianobuff
That's what I don't see. Where are the contract terms? Seems like a big "up-front" payment. I don't think it's just "budgeted", I think it's been disbursed. I'm probably wrong.
376 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:29:12am |
For what and/or whom were these food contracts made?
377 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:29:18am |
My stars! You don't know joy until you've lived with never ending page loads at LGF for two weeks and then it's gone. This is better than Independence Day.
378 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:29:25am |
re: #368 J.D.
Lots of pork.
I wonder: who's the dumbwaiter?
/
I believe it's for a veterans hospital in Brooklyn.
379 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:30:13am |
Who gets all that food? How many jobs were created? How much taxes were collected?
380 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:30:28am |
re: #375 lincolntf
If it involves the gubmint, one thing you can be sure of, is that there will be loads of wasted money.
381 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:30:37am |
And I can Ding again!
Did you guys realize I could barely ding anyone? To make up for nearly two weeks of low dinging- I'm giving away karma today.
382 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:31:46am |
re: #376 MandyManners
For what and/or whom were these food contracts made?
No clue. And little provided on the website. Work Performed says things like "pork" and "cheese". Probably part of the point of Drudge posting, I'm guessing.
383 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:32:01am |
re: #377 Sharmuta
My stars! You don't know joy until you've lived with never ending page loads at LGF for two weeks and then it's gone. This is better than Independence Day.
384 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:32:39am |
re: #379 MandyManners
Who gets all that food? How many jobs were created? How much taxes were collected?
Now I'm gonna' have to stop answering your questions now because I just don't know. Maybe Gibbs can help you later today?
385 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:32:51am |
re: #381 Sharmuta
Good morning Sharmuta - just for you today:
[Link: www.imeem.com...]
386 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:32:51am |
re: #381 Sharmuta
And I can Ding again!
Did you guys realize I could barely ding anyone? To make up for nearly two weeks of low dinging- I'm giving away karma today.
Yeah, well, I've not dinged for close to 10 years, I'll have you know.
Oh, wait. Nevermind.
387 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:33:32am |
re: #384 Pianobuff
Now I'm gonna' have to stop answering your questions now because I just don't know. Maybe Gibbs can help you later today?
Uh...er...uh...uh...errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
388 | songbird Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:33:48am |
re: #381 Sharmuta
And I can Ding again!
Did you guys realize I could barely ding anyone? To make up for nearly two weeks of low dinging- I'm giving away karma today.
I'll take whatever Karma you want to give!!!
:-)
389 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:33:53am |
390 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:33:57am |
re: #177 The Other Les
Thoughts for the Day
What's the difference between a Fascist and a Progressive?
One wears a silly uniform and the other is just silly.
Are you kidding? Have you seen the things the Progressives wear (or don't wear) in Zombie's photo essays?
391 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:34:16am |
What's Up, Docs?
The AMA signs its members up to be civil servants.
The latest example is the American Medical Association's unqualified endorsement Thursday of the health bill patched together by House Democrats. In a letter to Ways and Means Chairman Charlie Rangel, the doctors group lays on its "appreciation and support" pretty thick, and pledges to "work with the House committees and leadership to build support." The so-called tri-committee plan is also the most left-leaning out there, funding its new coverage for the uninsured in part by cutting payments to doctors and hospitals in Medicare and Medicaid.
But lobbyists don't lobby for less revenue for their members, and Democrats seem to have procured the AMA's bouquet with what the AMA letter says is the promise of "fundamental Medicare reforms, including repeal of the sustainable growth rate," or SGR. The SGR is a formula that Congress created in 1997 as a form of fiscal triage, mandating automatic cuts in physician payments if entitlement spending rises too steeply. Next year, they're scheduled to drop by 21.5%.
Doctors despise the SGR, and understandably so. Medicare's administered prices are already 20% to 30% lower than those of private insurers, and then Congress threatens to arbitrarily pay even less for the medical goods and services it wants to buy. However, Washington always swoops in with an 11th-hour reprieve that defers the pain to another year, given that even deeper cuts would cause many doctors to stop treating Medicare patients. But this only makes the distortions worse, creating an uncertain business climate and forcing some doctors to compensate by shifting costs onto their private patients or making up in volume what they lose on margin in Medicare.
Yes, ending this incoherent farce is a great idea. But the AMA is essentially saying that if doctors get paid more, all else is negotiable. Other industry lobbies such as the insurers and drug makers have made the same calculation, putting their short-term self-interest -- usually ensuring that government programs remain generous (enough) -- ahead of the long-run threats. It can't last. ...
... A coalition of 17 state medical associations and three specialty organizations is poised to break with the AMA over its Washington work. Another group of state hospital associations is at odds with their Beltway representatives over the deal cut with the White House to help defray universal coverage with $155 billion in across-the-board Medicare cuts. The plan "will do nothing to encourage changes in the delivery of health-care services," their protest reads, while hurting the nearly half of U.S. hospitals operating on a deficit or close to it.
Oh, and the Mayo Clinic -- upheld by President Obama and other Democrats as a model for reform -- also weighed in on the House bill Thursday, though without the AMA's fanfare. While noting "some positive provisions," it "misses the opportunity to help create higher-quality, more affordable health care for patients. In fact, it will do the opposite," the clinic's policy shop wrote in a statement. "In general, the proposals under discussion are not patient focused or results oriented. . . . The real losers will be the citizens of the United States."
Including, ultimately, the doctors who belong to the AMA.
392 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:34:57am |
re: #390 JamesTKirk
Are you kidding? Have you seen the things the Progressives wear (or don't wear) in Zombie's photo essays?
Yeah, I can't imagine Swollen-Testicle Man goose-stepping very well.
393 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:35:17am |
re: #386 MandyManners
Hi Mandy! I don't know how it happened but your 3rd Anniverary was this past July 1 and no one wished you a Happy Anniversary! Or at least not that I remember!
Anyway, a belated Happy 3rd Anniversary to you Mandy!
394 | bloodnok Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:35:35am |
re: #381 Sharmuta
And I can Ding again!
Did you guys realize I could barely ding anyone? To make up for nearly two weeks of low dinging- I'm giving away karma today.
I'll send you a link with all my posts from the past two weeks. You can get to them at your leisure. No rush. :p
395 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:35:54am |
re: #377 Sharmuta
My stars! You don't know joy until you've lived with never ending page loads at LGF for two weeks and then it's gone. This is better than Independence Day.
Pick me coach, pick me. :)
/trying to be a shameless karma whore for once.
396 | apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:36:08am |
re: #381 Sharmuta
And I can Ding again!
Did you guys realize I could barely ding anyone? To make up for nearly two weeks of low dinging- I'm giving away karma today.
standing in line :>)
397 | KenJen Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:36:22am |
re: #381 Sharmuta
And I can Ding again!
Did you guys realize I could barely ding anyone? To make up for nearly two weeks of low dinging- I'm giving away karma today.
Free karma! That's way better than "free" healthcare.
398 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:36:46am |
re: #393 realwest
THANKS! (I remembered but didn't mention it. In fact, I ate all my cake. Alone.)
399 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:37:24am |
re: #381 Sharmuta
Um er oops. I ment to quote this one.
/damn, I get excited way too easily sometimes. :p
400 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:37:40am |
re: #374 {realwest}
Pretty fine here. I need a nap soon, though!
I'm sure you are stressed. Anyone would be.
401 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:37:47am |
Other Rasmussen numbers for Obama on job performance:
Strongly Approve: 30
Strongly Disapprove: 37
Overall Approve: 50
Overall Disapprove: 49
Pre-emptive note for Rasmussen-bashers: Rasmussen uses a likely voter algorithm, sample, and method and arrives at different conclusions than, say, Gallup, which has Obama's numbers higher.
402 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:38:50am |
re: #376 MandyManners
For what and/or whom were these food contracts made?
That's the purpose of the recovery,gov web site. You can track every dime spent, report fraud and the rest. Of course, you can also look through the billions spent and find ham and pork purchases. I would guess Drudge is not telling us where it's going because it's a innocent expenditure like federal prison food or the like, and that would lessen the news value. You can track it down yourself if you like.
403 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:39:57am |
re: #378 Pianobuff
I believe it's for a veterans hospital in Brooklyn.
I'm all for that, but still it seems pricey. In comparison to the pork, though... not so much.
404 | VioletTiger Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:40:29am |
405 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:40:31am |
re: #398 MandyManners
Oh, that's so sad Mandy! I'd a been glad to have a piece! Uh, I mean I'd have been happy to share your anniversary cake with you,so you wouldn't have had to celebrate alone!
406 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:41:05am |
re: #379 MandyManners
Who gets all that food? How many jobs were created? How much taxes were collected? How many votes did that buy?
FTFY
407 | Desert Dog Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:41:32am |
re: #402 avanti
That's the purpose of the recovery,gov web site. You can track every dime spent, report fraud and the rest. Of course, you can also look through the billions spent and find ham and pork purchases. I would guess Drudge is not telling us where it's going because it's a innocent expenditure like federal prison food or the like, and that would lessen the news value. You can track it down yourself if you like.
I have faith in our government and total trust in Obama to do the right thing. He is so smart and so caring and so wonderful. Plus, he has brought in the best and the brightest to manage our country too. I am sure all of the stimulus money is being well spent.
/Stepford Voter
408 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:41:39am |
re: #400 J.D.
Huh? You need a nap soon? This early in the morning?
Didn't you sleep well last night?
409 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:41:57am |
re: #392 MandyManners
Yeah, I can't imagine Swollen-Testicle Man goose-stepping very well.
I'll bet he's got the goosing part down, though.
410 | lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:42:57am |
re: #402 avanti
It's the "recovery.gov" site that uses terms like "cheese" to describe how the millions will be spent, not Drudge. Wouldn't prison food funding be included in a State/Fed. prison budget? This money came straight from the Dept. of Agriculture to the firm in MN. The contract says it was awarded through "full and fair competition", and that it not a "set aside", but it's pretty sparse info.
411 | reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:43:04am |
It'sd all PORK products in the headlines????
Wow, Obama's trying to dinstance himself from the
seekrit Muslim conspiracy B.S.??
We all know there are Muslims working is the PORK industry!
I'm so confused!!
But it makes ya wonder.......What the f&^k!!
412 | VioletTiger Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:43:28am |
So how was your weekend LGF? Mine was sunny and enjoyable. Slow morning, on hold with customer service.
413 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:43:37am |
re: #401 Pianobuff
Don't worry avanti will be along soon enough to explain to us just how superior Gallup is to Rasmussen.
But ya mighta noted that Rasmussen only polls "Likely Voters" that is, those folks who are registered now AND who voted in the last election!
414 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:43:49am |
re: #398 MandyManners
THANKS! (I remembered but didn't mention it. In fact, I ate all my cake. Alone.)
Why did you eat it all alone? Greedy. ;)
/Happy belated 3rd anniversary.
415 | Creeping Eruption Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:44:29am |
re: #412 VioletTiger
So how was your weekend LGF? Mine was sunny and enjoyable. Slow morning, on hold with customer service.
Funny that. I'm in customer service, and well . . .obviously not answering all those blinking lights on my phone right now./
416 | apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:45:03am |
re: #374 realwest
Hi {J.D.} Thank you kindly! I'm feeling not so hot today - I think it's just too much stress and all.
How are you doing this morning?
Morning RW wanting you to know my thoughts are with you during this distressing time, prayers for your daily (and your mom too)
417 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:45:14am |
re: #402 avanti
That's the purpose of the recovery,gov web site. You can track every dime spent, report fraud and the rest. Of course, you can also look through the billions spent and find ham and pork purchases. I would guess Drudge is not telling us where it's going because it's a innocent expenditure like federal prison food or the like, and that would lessen the news value. You can track it down yourself if you like.
Just out of curiosity, how is a cheese wheel in Leavenworth tied to shovel-ready projects that stimulate the economy and create jobs?
418 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:45:42am |
re: #413 realwest
Don't worry avanti will be along soon enough to explain to us just how superior Gallup is to Rasmussen.
But ya mighta noted that Rasmussen only polls "Likely Voters" that is, those folks who are registered now AND who voted in the last election!
Hmmm... thought I mentioned that.
420 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:45:53am |
421 | Desert Dog Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:46:08am |
re: #417 Pianobuff
Just out of curiosity, how is a cheese wheel in Leavenworth tied to shovel-ready projects that stimulate the economy and create jobs?
Best I can tell is you need a shovel and some hip waders to move all that BS
422 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:46:18am |
re: #412 VioletTiger
Good morning VioletTiger - why are you on with customer service?!?
423 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:46:21am |
re: #408 realwest
Huh? You need a nap soon? This early in the morning?
Didn't you sleep well last night?
Drove back from visiting my son who's just starting his residency.
I was up all night! It's hard to wind down in the morning, nonetheless... at least it is for me. *sigh*
425 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:47:18am |
re: #401 Pianobuff
Other Rasmussen numbers for Obama on job performance:
Strongly Approve: 30
Strongly Disapprove: 37Overall Approve: 50
Overall Disapprove: 49Pre-emptive note for Rasmussen-bashers: Rasmussen uses a likely voter algorithm, sample, and method and arrives at different conclusions than, say, Gallup, which has Obama's numbers higher.
Yes, and they don't weigh the higher percentage of Dems in the electorate. Rasmussen is niche pollster that is a regular on FOX TV and Drudge. I recall his optimistic polling on McCain giving some Lizards false hope. Use the poll of polls to even out the outliers, or Nate Silver who has been dead nuts on. Yes, Gallup tends a point or two higher then some, but Rasmussen spins his polls for Fox and Drudge.
Ask yourself why conservative sites don't quote the poll averages, just the most optimistic Rasmussen poll.
426 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:47:36am |
re: #421 Desert Dog
Best I can tell is you need a shovel and some hip waders to move all that BS
I say, I say son, you're thinking too small there. Have to think bigger you know. Try a bulldozer or back hoe. That's about the level of BS we are working with here.
427 | VioletTiger Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:47:59am |
re: #415 Creeping Eruption
Funny that. I'm in customer service, and well . . .obviously not answering all those blinking lights on my phone right now./
I knew it!/
428 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:48:02am |
re: #244 rightside
Despite ginormous amounts of proof, they still cling to the notion that it's a zero sum game. In order for one person to make a dollar, another must lose it.
Government can not create wealth, all it can do, in the short term, is transfer it. In the long term, they destroy it.
429 | SixDegrees Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:48:30am |
re: #359 J.D.
This gives me "hope".
Poll Shows Obama Slipping on Key Issues
Approval Rating on Health Care Falls Below 50 Percent
But I wouldn't go so far as to feel optimistic just yet.
The iron is hot. Keep hammering on your representatives, House and Senate, letting them know that the proposed health care bill is a disaster in the making. The longer votes can be put off, the longer it stays in the open and the more people learn about it, the less likely it becomes that it will pass.
430 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:48:31am |
re: #425 avanti
I don't need a fucking poll to tell me this president is worthless. Hope in one hand, shit in the other, and see which one fills up first.
431 | lawhawk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:48:52am |
re: #402 avanti
Yes, you can find ham and pork purchases, but how exactly is someone supposed to judge an entry whose purpose explicitly states 2lbs of ham and pork purchases, and the contract value is $2 million?
Someone either entered the wrong dollar figure (fat chance) or the wrong weight (possible, but still egregious).
The fact is that this entire spending bill was ill conceived and the fact that the spending is on this kind of thing exposes the stimulus package as a lie - a real expensive lie.
Now, we've got an Administration that knows that their health care makeover is on the rocks, particularly if the bad economic news continues. So, instead of manning up and trying to make the best of it, they're delaying the release of the news until after Congress is supposed to leave? How exactly is that responsible? It isn't.
It shows the lengths to which this Administration will go to pursue its domestic agenda - facts and statistics be damned.
The health care proposal is a disaster - a ticking time bomb of costs that no one can afford - because the rich will not be the only ones soaked by the costs (which the OMB already notes will not be contained and will be more expensive than if nothing is done at all).
432 | Creeping Eruption Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:48:54am |
re: #417 Pianobuff
Just out of curiosity, how is a cheese wheel in Leavenworth tied to shovel-ready projects that stimulate the economy and create jobs?
Sounds like a 6 th grade math problem: If a train leaves the station at 9:02 traveling west at 72 mph . . .
433 | Desert Dog Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:48:55am |
re: #426 BlueCanuck
I say, I say son, you're thinking too small there. Have to think bigger you know. Try a bulldozer or back hoe. That's about the level of BS we are working with here.
I think we're talking even bigger than that
434 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:49:16am |
re: #407 Desert Dog
I have faith in our government and total trust in Obama to do the right thing. He is so smart and so caring and so wonderful. Plus, he has brought in the best and the brightest to manage our country too. I am sure all of the stimulus money is being well spent.
/Stepford Voter
You don't nor do I, but at least we can track all the money spent for the first time and ask, "where is the canned ham going "
436 | VioletTiger Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:50:13am |
re: #422 realwest
Good morning VioletTiger - why are you on with customer service?!?
Hey real, how are you today?
I am trying to find out if an order I placed online went through. It seemed to mess up in the end.
437 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:50:36am |
re: #425 avanti
Yes, and they don't weigh the higher percentage of Dems in the electorate. Rasmussen is niche pollster that is a regular on FOX TV and Drudge. I recall his optimistic polling on McCain giving some Lizards false hope. Use the poll of polls to even out the outliers, or Nate Silver who has been dead nuts on. Yes, Gallup tends a point or two higher then some, but Rasmussen spins his polls for Fox and Drudge.
Ask yourself why conservative sites don't quote the poll averages, just the most optimistic Rasmussen poll.
Seems like I go through this with you every time I post a poll. I recall Rasmussen nailing the pres election results dead on... do you remember that? Do you? Do you?
I posted the RCP average yesterday, between 56-57 also. Are we going to have the same conversation every time I post a poll result?
438 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:51:04am |
re: #434 avanti
You don't nor do I, but at least we can track all the money spent for the first time and ask, "where is
the canned ham goingour money being wasted now? "
FTFY
439 | SixDegrees Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:51:12am |
re: #425 avanti
Yes, and they don't weigh the higher percentage of Dems in the electorate. Rasmussen is niche pollster that is a regular on FOX TV and Drudge. I recall his optimistic polling on McCain giving some Lizards false hope. Use the poll of polls to even out the outliers, or Nate Silver who has been dead nuts on. Yes, Gallup tends a point or two higher then some, but Rasmussen spins his polls for Fox and Drudge.
Ask yourself why conservative sites don't quote the poll averages, just the most optimistic Rasmussen poll.
As has been pointed out here many times: it isn't the poll numbers that matter; it's their trend that's important.
Which is downward when it comes to 0's approval ratings.
440 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:52:50am |
re: #431 lawhawk
Yes, you can find ham and pork purchases, but how exactly is someone supposed to judge an entry whose purpose explicitly states 2lbs of ham and pork purchases, and the contract value is $2 million?
Someone either entered the wrong dollar figure (fat chance) or the wrong weight (possible, but still egregious).
I don't know how many 2lb canned hams they are contacting for, but I assume you can track it if you want to take the time.
441 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:52:56am |
re: #369 lincolntf
I clicked on the link to the "canned pork" appropriation. All I can tell is that some company in MN gets a check for 16 million dollars. I don't see anything about what they're supposed to do in return.
Better be some damned good SPAM they're churning out up there.
Al Franken... nuff said.
442 | FrogMarch Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:53:16am |
re: #359 J.D.
This gives me "hope".
Poll Shows Obama Slipping on Key Issues
Approval Rating on Health Care Falls Below 50 Percent
But I wouldn't go so far as to feel optimistic just yet.
I'm a little worried that if Obama doesn't get his way on Nationalized Health Care “Reform” that his face is going to crack open and Hugo Chavez is going to pop out.
443 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:53:19am |
re: #439 SixDegrees
Which is downward when it comes to 0's approval ratings.
"You will note that he does not so much fly as plummet." -Graham Chapman
444 | Desert Dog Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:53:20am |
re: #434 avanti
You don't nor do I, but at least we can track all the money spent for the first time and ask, "where is the canned ham going "
Just so you don't think I am being too biased, I think Federal spending is usually quite wasteful by the very nature of the bureaucracies that run the government, regardless of which party is in power. With President Obama, the scale is just so much larger. The more we spend, the more that gets wasted. I shudder to think just how much of that $1 Trillion dollars is being pissed away and wasted.
445 | lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:53:53am |
re: #434 avanti
You can track it? How? We've been to the recovery.gov site and know nothing more than we did when we read the Drudge headline. How is the money stimulating the economy? How many jobs did it create? Did we get 16 million dollars worth of value for our money? Did the owner of the packing plant happen to make any timely political contributions last year? Where are the answers to questions like that?
446 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:54:04am |
re: #416 apachegunner
Hi Guns - thank you very, very much. I've been surprised and frankly a little overwhelmed at how many lizards have taken a minute to wish me well either out here or in e-mails.
That support helps. A Lot.
In fact, I'm gonna republish something I posted last night (Swamprat had seen something pertaining to a breakthrough in Cancer care and asked folks to e-mail it to me - which several did; it turned out not to be of any help to me but still and all it was a nice thought to do that. SO:
But I again want to thank Swamprat and would ask all of you PLEASE if you see a news story about any sort of breakthrough in treating CANCER and especially in my case PROSTATE CANCER please don't hesitate to send me a link. My nic is in blue.
Thank you all very much.
447 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:55:03am |
re: #429 SixDegrees
The iron is hot. Keep hammering on your representatives, House and Senate, letting them know that the proposed health care bill is a disaster in the making. The longer votes can be put off, the longer it stays in the open and the more people learn about it, the less likely it becomes that it will pass.
Great advice for everyone who doesn't want access to quality health care to end.
449 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:55:27am |
Add this to the good news. The White House does not want us knowing how "other-worldly" their budget projections were.....
By TOM RAUM
WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House is being forced to acknowledge the wide gap between its once-upbeat predictions about the economy and today's bleak landscape.
The administration's annual midsummer budget update is sure to show higher deficits and unemployment and slower growth than projected in President Barack Obama's budget in February and update in May, and that could complicate his efforts to get his signature health care and global-warming proposals through Congress.
The release of the update - usually scheduled for mid-July - has been put off until the middle of next month, giving rise to speculation the White House is delaying the bad news at least until Congress leaves town on its August 7 summer recess.
The administration is pressing for votes before then on its $1 trillion health care initiative, which lawmakers are arguing over how to finance.
The White House budget director, Peter Orszag, said on Sunday that the administration believes the "chances are high" of getting a health care bill by then. But new analyses showing runaway costs are jeopardizing Senate passage.
"Instead of a dream, this routine report could be a nightmare," Tony Fratto, a former Treasury Department official and White House spokesman under President George W. Bush, said of the delayed budget update. "There are some things that can't be escaped."
The administration earlier this year predicted that unemployment would peak at about 9 percent without a big stimulus package and 8 percent with one. Congress did pass a $787 billion two-year stimulus measure, yet unemployment soared to 9.5 percent in June and appears headed for double digits.
Obama's current forecast anticipates 3.2 percent growth next year, then 4 percent or higher growth from 2011 to 2013. Private forecasts are less optimistic, especially for next year.
Any downward revision in growth or revenue projections would mean that budget deficits would be far higher than the administration is now suggesting.
Way to go, guys. Glad we have that new competence in the White House.
450 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:55:41am |
re: #340 lincolntf
Morning all.
I'm holding out hope that Obama's Health Care fiasco is going to die an ignoble death. Don't know why, but I'm feeling optimistic. If it fails, will Obama freak out on the Congress? I can totally picture him getting all huffy and pissy. But I get ahead of myself.
On top of losing on Card Check, if his healthcare initiative fails BHO will not handle it well. With Dem majorities it would be a major embarassment.
The more people find out about the palan support drops, which is why he is trying to ram it through before the August recess.
451 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:55:55am |
re: #445 lincolntf
None of your business! Just give us your money, we know best how to spend it, not you.
How dare you!
452 | Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:56:09am |
Morning lizards. Hope everyone had a nice weekend.
453 | Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:56:27am |
re: #392 MandyManners
Yeah, I can't imagine Swollen-Testicle Man goose-stepping very well.
You must keep your freak & pervert nomenclature straight, dear. You must mean Scrotal Inflation Man.
454 | reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:56:43am |
re: #442 FrogMarch
I'm a little worried that if Obama doesn't get his way on Nationalized Health Care “Reform” that his face is going to crack open and Hugo Chavez is going to pop out.
I watched/listened to our Minister of Hope and Change.......
Why is it ,everytime he speaks about Health Care,I get the
sensation
we're having smoke blown up our ass..........
455 | lawhawk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:57:05am |
re: #443 JamesTKirk
Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?
What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
456 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:57:51am |
re: #446 realwest
[Link: www.dattoli.com...]
457 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:57:52am |
re: #413 realwest
Don't worry avanti will be along soon enough to explain to us just how superior Gallup is to Rasmussen.
But ya mighta noted that Rasmussen only polls "Likely Voters" that is, those folks who are registered now AND who voted in the last election!
We won't really know anything until the ACORN poll comes out.
458 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:58:14am |
459 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:58:20am |
re: #431 lawhawk
I wonder who he'll appoint as Healthcare Rationing Czar.
460 | VioletTiger Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:59:15am |
re: #445 lincolntf
You can track it? How? We've been to the recovery.gov site and know nothing more than we did when we read the Drudge headline. How is the money stimulating the economy? How many jobs did it create? Did we get 16 million dollars worth of value for our money? Did the owner of the packing plant happen to make any timely political contributions last year? Where are the answers to questions like that?
I remember quite clearly that they said they would be open and show exactly where the money was going and how well they were doing and how many jobs were created. It was BS, front and center. And now the spin begins.
461 | songbird Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:59:18am |
re: #425 avanti
Yes, and they don't weigh the higher percentage of Dems in the electorate. Rasmussen is niche pollster that is a regular on FOX TV and Drudge. I recall his optimistic polling on McCain giving some Lizards false hope. Use the poll of polls to even out the outliers, or Nate Silver who has been dead nuts on. Yes, Gallup tends a point or two higher then some, but Rasmussen spins his polls for Fox and Drudge.
Ask yourself why conservative sites don't quote the poll averages, just the most optimistic Rasmussen poll.
I like going to Real Clear Politics where they take the average of all the polls. There is a clear downturn in Obama's approval ratings, even in the most Obama friendly polls.
462 | FrogMarch Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:59:29am |
463 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:59:51am |
re: #455 lawhawk
Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?
What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
464 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jul 20, 2009 6:59:57am |
re: #455 lawhawk
Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?
What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
I don't know that.
ARRRRRGGGGGGHHHH! (flies off into the Gorge of Doom)
465 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:00:21am |
re: #445 lincolntf
HEY! Just how damn transparent do you expect the government to be, huh?
They MAY put that information out there, but they'll be damned sure not to do it in a way that will make it easy for ANYONE to understand.
But they'll still be able to claim (with a stright face) that their government IS transparent - all the information is out there for the Public to to see! Who cares if it's put out there in a way the Public can see AND UNDERSTAND, huh?!?*
*This message brought to you by the Lefist Party of America, TM. Howard Dean (Dr., retired) Chairman.
466 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:00:36am |
re: #437 Pianobuff
Are we going to have the same conversation every time I post a poll result?
I'm guessing yes.
467 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:00:48am |
re: #459 J.D.
I wonder who he'll appoint as Healthcare Rationing Czar.
Not sure, but this is a metaphor for how it will work......
468 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:01:10am |
re: #445 lincolntf
You can track it? How? We've been to the recovery.gov site and know nothing more than we did when we read the Drudge headline. How is the money stimulating the economy? How many jobs did it create? Did we get 16 million dollars worth of value for our money? Did the owner of the packing plant happen to make any timely political contributions last year? Where are the answers to questions like that?
You make a good point, perhaps we were better off not knowing then expecting the government to answer 20 questions for any expenditure. As a good citizen, and the loyal opposition, the info is now on line for you to investigate all those questions, and even a whistle blower link to report any fraud.
If Drudge wanted to post the expenditures, they should have done the foot work to answer the sort of questions you ask, rather then just toss them out to fire up the base.
469 | BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:01:31am |
re: #455 lawhawk
Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?
What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?
470 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:02:20am |
re: #465 realwest
HEY! Just how damn transparent do you expect the government to be, huh?
They MAY put that information out there, but they'll be damned sure not to do it in a way that will make it easy for ANYONE to understand.
But they'll still be able to claim (with a stright face) that their government IS transparent - all the information is out there for the Public to to see!
"It was on display in a dark cellar with no stairs in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of The Leopard'." -Douglas Adams
471 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:02:32am |
re: #454 reloadingisnotahobby
They are just preparing you for the more solid application that will be coming after it passes. Trust me it's going to hurt.
472 | CommonCents Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:03:54am |
re: #410 lincolntf
It's the "recovery.gov" site that uses terms like "cheese" to describe how the millions will be spent, not Drudge. Wouldn't prison food funding be included in a State/Fed. prison budget? This money came straight from the Dept. of Agriculture to the firm in MN. The contract says it was awarded through "full and fair competition", and that it not a "set aside", but it's pretty sparse info.
No, back in the evil Bush/Cheney/Hitler Administration, prisoners were locked up without food, water, or guards. The prisoners had to fight for survival often resulting in cannibalism. That's why it was in the stimulata bill.
//////
473 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:04:44am |
re: #442 FrogMarch
I'm a little worried that if Obama doesn't get his way on Nationalized Health Care “Reform” that his face is going to crack open and Hugo Chavez is going to pop out.
The truth will out!
474 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:05:00am |
475 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:05:07am |
This is the best Monday Morning EVER!
Thank you Motorola for including two port options on your modems.
Love, ~Sharmuta
476 | reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:05:17am |
re: #471 BlueCanuck
I'm looking forward to being able to have my tires rotated,
oil changed and windows washed while seeing my Gov't
Physican at Manny,Mo and Jacks...........
//////////
477 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:05:38am |
re: #465 realwest
They may claim to be transparent by putting all the information out there. What they are really doing from the sounds of it is creating an information overload. If you have to go through every single detail trying to track anything, eventually the common person will just throw their hands up and give up. And the government will just grind away wasting money as it has done in the past.
478 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:05:43am |
I step away from the computer for a few minutes and it automatically disconnects from the Internet.
479 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:05:46am |
re: #461 songbird
I like going to Real Clear Politics where they take the average of all the polls. There is a clear downturn in Obama's approval ratings, even in the most Obama friendly polls.
I agree, and he is down, but moving up again with the stock market. Like I've said before, he should drop to something close to his percentage of the vote after the honeymoon. If he drops below 52%, he's showing real weakness.
480 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:06:27am |
re: #450 opnion
On top of losing on Card Check, if his healthcare initiative fails BHO will not handle it well. With Dem majorities it would be a major embarassment.
If that happens, expect the MSM to do wall-to-wall attack pieces on Palin and Bush to divert attention and support their savior.
481 | albusteve Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:06:37am |
Wed night BO steps up to defend his health care bill....by now there are journos who know more about the bill than BO himself...will anybody challenge BO? call him out?....should be a good one as pressers go
482 | haakondahl Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:06:50am |
re: #453 Kenneth
You must keep your freak & pervert nomenclature straight, dear. You must mean Scrotal Inflation Man.
You mean Inflated Scrotum Guy?
483 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:06:56am |
re: #456 Cannadian Club Akbar Hey, thanks! Uh, I went to that site and they are in Sarasota Florida and when I tried to get into the site to see if they have anyplace closer, my IE 7 said it couldn't access the page(s).
Is this a place you know something about personally or just one you found in a search (not dengigrating the found in a search - although I've searched pretty exhaustively myself) but just curious!
484 | VioletTiger Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:07:05am |
re: #442 FrogMarch
I'm a little worried that if Obama doesn't get his way on Nationalized Health Care “Reform” that his face is going to crack open and Hugo Chavez is going to pop out.
There is a very well-dressed older gentleman in my area who has been spending a few hours every afternoon with a STOP OBAMACARE sign on different busy roadways. He is getting lots of honks and thumbs up.
485 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:07:11am |
486 | reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:07:52am |
re: #478 MandyManners
It's a a new safety feature..............
A tether kill switch....you know ...like on a Seadoo.........!
487 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:08:00am |
re: #478 MandyManners
I step away from the computer for a few minutes and it automatically disconnects from the Internet.
Obama is rationing bandwidth, as part of his Socialized Internets for All program.
488 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:08:30am |
Friggin O is trying to ram the health care bill through before the end of summer recess because he can't delay the gloomy budget update any longer than that. He's trying to get us to swallow a poison pill before we find out we're already dying!
oh Morning all.
489 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:08:35am |
re: #486 reloadingisnotahobby
It's a a new safety feature..............
A tether kill switch....you know ...like on a Seadoo.........!
Homey don't do Seadoo.
490 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:09:08am |
re: #487 JamesTKirk
Obama is rationing bandwidth, as part of his Socialized Internets for All program.
Fucking Commie bastard.
491 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:09:23am |
Everybody keep posting- can't give away this karma without more comments.
492 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:09:26am |
Additional info on Obama's budget woes from AP
....A Washington Post-ABC News survey released Monday shows approval of Obama's handling of health-care reform slipping below 50 percent for the first time. The poll also found support eroding on how Obama is dealing with other issues that are important to Americans right now - the economy, unemployment and the swelling budget deficit.
The Democratic-controlled Congress is reeling from last week's testimony by the head of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, Douglas Elmendorf, that the main health care proposals Congress is considering would not reduce costs - as Obama has insisted - but "significantly expand" the federal financial responsibility for health care.
That gave ammunition to Republican critics of the bill.
Late last week, Obama vowed anew that "health insurance reform cannot add to our deficit over the next decade and I mean it."
The nation's debt - the total of accumulated annual budget deficits - now stands at $11.6 trillion. In the scheme of things, that's more important than talking about the "deficit," which only looks at a one-year slice of bookkeeping and totally ignores previous indebtedness that is still outstanding.
Even so, the administration has projected that the annual deficit for the current budget year will hit $1.84 trillion, four times the size of last year's deficit of $455 billion. Private forecasters suggest that shortfall may actually top $2 trillion.
If a higher deficit and lower growth numbers are not part of the administration's budget update, that will lead to charges that the White House is manipulating its figures to offer too rosy an outlook - the same criticism leveled at previous administrations.
The midsession review by the White House's Office of Management and Budget will likely reflect weaker numbers. But where is it?
White House officials say it is now expected in mid-August. They blame the delay on the fact that this is a transition year between presidencies and note that Obama didn't release his full budget until early May - instead of the first week in February, when he put out just an outline.
Still, the update mainly involves plugging in changes in economic indicators, not revising program-by-program details. And indicators such as unemployment and gross domestic product changes have been public knowledge for some time.
Standard & Poor's chief economist David Wyss said part of the problem with the administration's earlier numbers is that "they were just stale," essentially put together by budget number-crunchers at the end of last year, before the sharp drop in the economy.
Wyss, like many other economists, says he expects the recession to last at least until September or October. "We're looking for basically a zero second half (of 2009). And then sluggish recovery," he said.
Orszag, making the rounds of Sunday talk shows, insisted the economy at the end of last year, which the White House used for its optimistic budget forecasts, "was weaker at that time than anyone anticipated." He cited a "sense of free fall" not fully recognized at the time.
"It's going to take time to work our way out of it," the White House budget director told "Fox News Sunday."
Even as it prepares to put larger deficit and smaller growth figures into its official forecast, the administration is looking for signs of improvement.
"If we were at the brink of catastrophe at the beginning of the year, we have walked some substantial distance back from the abyss," said Lawrence Summers, Obama's chief economic adviser.
493 | VioletTiger Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:09:49am |
re: #488 turn
Friggin O is trying to ram the health care bill through before the end of summer recess because he can't delay the gloomy budget update any longer than that. He's trying to get us to swallow a poison pill before we find out we're already dying!
oh Morning all.
This one will be a steeper climb. He's getting lots of pushback from both dems and reps after the earfull they heard after the crap and tax bill.
494 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:10:20am |
re: #483 realwest
Hey, thanks! Uh, I went to that site and they are in Sarasota Florida and when I tried to get into the site to see if they have anyplace closer, my IE 7 said it couldn't access the page(s).
Is this a place you know something about personally or just one you found in a search (not dengigrating the found in a search - although I've searched pretty exhaustively myself) but just curious!
I don't know it personally, but I know about it because I am in the area. Did they have a number to call? Hope so. I am sure they could set up a chat for you because of your location. Good luck.
495 | songbird Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:10:54am |
re: #479 avanti
I agree, and he is down, but moving up again with the stock market. Like I've said before, he should drop to something close to his percentage of the vote after the honeymoon. If he drops below 52%, he's showing real weakness.
I agree there, and think as unemployment rises the likelihood of that happening is greater.
Whatever disasters from Congress he signs into will also pull him down.
496 | lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:11:37am |
re: #468 avanti
Don't you find it odd that in order to get answers about how the Stimulus plan is stimulating the economy, you're suggesting that I launch an investigation? Wouldn't it be easier for Obama to just do what he said he'd do and provide "unprecedented transparency" rather than generic column entries that are designed to conceal, not divulge, information?
497 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:11:41am |
Good morning, Ladies & Gentlelizards.
498 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:11:59am |
re: #477 BlueCanuck
Spot on. And with that information overload the Obama administration can not only claim "transparency" but actually share the knowledge of where all the Congressionally allocated funds have been going to the most curious of us all: Congress.
/unfortunately not.
499 | lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:12:17am |
re: #481 albusteve
"We're gonna need a bigger 'prompter..."
500 | lawhawk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:12:31am |
Here's background info on Clougherty Packing, LLC, which is one of the companies that sold the pork. It's a part of Hormel Foods and is a major supplier of pork products on the West Coast.
501 | MrSilverDragon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:12:49am |
re: #492 Pianobuff
Obama vowed anew that "health insurance reform cannot add to our deficit over the next decade and I mean it."
Oh, he means it now. So, that means an extra week before he flipflops, right?
And good morning, y'all!
502 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:13:00am |
re: #493 VioletTiger
This one will be a steeper climb. He's getting lots of pushback from both dems and reps after the earfull they heard after the crap and tax bill.
I've been reading that too. We need to press hard to make sure the bill doesn't get approved, I'm writing a note to my congressman today. Hey VT, you know of any good "templates" I can use to get started on this email? On second thought, never mind I can wing this one.
503 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:13:05am |
{realwest}
You probably by now have read about this, but just in case...
...Why experts now estimate that up to 90 percent of cancers of the prostate may have a dietary link.
New evidence that the progression of prostate cancer may actually be slowed by dietary changes. One study published in the Journal of Urology found that tumor cells from men taking flaxseed in combination with a lowfat diet appeared to be growing more slowly and dying more quickly than those of the control group.
Two types of foods that should be included plentifully in the diet of anyone at risk for prostate problems — or experiencing them. ...
504 | VioletTiger Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:13:15am |
re: #495 songbird
I agree there, and think as unemployment rises the likelihood of that happening is greater.
Whatever disasters from Congress he signs into will also pull him down.
Expectations were so high, even if he had the goods, which he does not, he couldn't have delivered. It's a slippery slope and he is headed down.
Back to work friends! Have a great day.
505 | lawhawk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:13:32am |
re: #481 albusteve
Watch for the TOTUS to have the shakes and sputter and die - to divert attention from the shaking and sputtering of the President who can't address the underlying fiction of his health care plan - that it will never cut costs. So sayeth the OMB, so say we all!
506 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:13:49am |
re: #480 3 wood
Hey good morning my friend! How are you doing today?
What'd ya think of ole Tom in the British Open yesterday? Looked to me around hole 14 or so that he was literally playing on pure guts alone. No energy left in the tank.
507 | VioletTiger Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:14:15am |
re: #502 turn
I've been reading that too. We need to press hard to make sure the bill doesn't get approved, I'm writing a note to my congressman today. Hey VT, you know of any good "templates" I can use to get started on this email? On second thought, never mind I can wing this one.
Speak your mind. It always come out better that way.
(We don't need no stinking teleprompters!)/
508 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:15:03am |
I'm a late arrival. Any discussion about the death of the Vietnamese propaganda minister?
509 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:15:07am |
re: #479 avanti
I agree, and he is down, but moving up again with the stock market.
Umm, for the year so far, the S&P is up 0.34% (i.e., one third of one percent) and the Dow is down -1.75%.
510 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:15:18am |
re: #496 lincolntf
Don't you find it odd that in order to get answers about how the Stimulus plan is stimulating the economy, you're suggesting that I launch an investigation? Wouldn't it be easier for Obama to just do what he said he'd do and provide "unprecedented transparency" rather than generic column entries that are designed to conceal, not divulge, information?
Here's the link for the canned pork contract. If you have questions about this contract like was the bidding rigged because the company supported the POTUS, all the details are
511 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:15:30am |
Does anyone know what Hizb Ur-Tahrir means in English? Party of whatever?
512 | pingjockey Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:15:45am |
re: #506 realwest
Mornin'! That's what my dad thought. The man is 59. A couple of breaks though and he wins it. Yes, caught up on my emails!
513 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:16:02am |
re: #508 DaddyG
I'm a late arrival. Any discussion about the death of the Vietnamese propaganda minister?
Huh?
514 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:16:28am |
515 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:16:44am |
516 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:16:47am |
Crap, had a good rant all saved up and then the phone rang. I hate stupid fax machines with wrong numbers...
517 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:17:09am |
re: #510 avanti
Obama is going to corner the spam market? Sells well in Ethiopia.
518 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:17:37am |
520 | Killian Bundy Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:17:49am |
Asked why Democrats were proposing more than $500 billion in new taxes if savings alone could fund their healthcare plan:
“We have to have a revenue stream to ensure that the bill will be paid for. If we don’t need that money we can use it to reduce the deficit.”
521 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:18:00am |
re: #515 DaddyG
I was seeing John f-ings sace in your post myself
522 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:18:15am |
re: #491 Sharmuta
Everybody keep posting- can't give away this karma without more comments.
OOH!
OOH!
OOH!
I want karma!
523 | NelsFree Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:18:45am |
Good Morning Everyone,
A special good morning to Mandy
handing out karma like candy
To all the Obama supporters: "How's that 'hope and change' workin' out for ya?
To all the firearms aficionados: "How's that 'scope and range' workin' out for ya?
524 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:19:06am |
re: #522 reine.de.tout
OOH!
OOH!
OOH!
I want karma!
I can't resist those puppy dog eyes and the wagging tail. *ding*
525 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:19:07am |
re: #519 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
Morning hoops, hey do you know when the British open ends?
526 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:19:11am |
re: #509 3 wood
Umm, for the year so far, the S&P is up 0.34% (i.e., one third of one percent) and the Dow is down -1.75%.
His approval is up with the 7% recent increase, might just be a coincidence. BTW, do you think we'll break the 9000 barrier this quarter ?
527 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:19:21am |
re: #492 Pianobuff
Obama's budget assumes a 4% growth in GDP every year. If we are less than that, the deficits shoot even higher than they had admitted.
Now ask yourself, how likely are we to have a 4% GDP growth anytime in the foreseeable future?
528 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:19:31am |
re: #468 avanti
Or MAYBE - just a suggestion here, ya understand - our government - whom WE employ - shoulda put out the numbers in a way that WE the taxpayers have time to see and understand without having to do ANY damn digging on our own. We aren't paying for Obama and the Leftists to obfuscate or make us do the work they are being paid to do.
C'mon Mr.President - spell it out; if you believe it's worth while spell it out and say so
529 | CommonCents Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:19:42am |
re: #511 MandyManners
Does anyone know what Hizb Ur-Tahrir means in English? Party of whatever?
I think Tahrir translates to "the rear" so that would be party of assholes.
530 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:20:12am |
re: #520 Killian Bundy
“We have to have a revenue stream to ensure that the bill will be paid for. If we don’t need that money we can use it to reduce the deficit.”
Nice. Unfortunately you will save no money on healthcare. It will all be needed and all be spent. In fact the revenue stream will increase because they will find new ways to spend it. The bad news is that the new ways of spending won't help those who need it the most, the patients.
531 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:20:18am |
re: #529 CommonCents
All that ass and they cant shake it..
a shame really
532 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:20:27am |
re: #523 NelsFree
Good Morning Everyone,
A special good morning to Mandy
handing out karma like candyTo all the Obama supporters: "How's that 'hope and change' workin' out for ya?
To all the firearms aficionados: "How's that 'scope and range' workin' out for ya?
To the perverted mongrels: "How's that grope and mange workin' out for ya?"
533 | justabill Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:20:31am |
re: #454 reloadingisnotahobby
I watched/listened to our Minister of Hope and Change.......
Why is it ,everytime he speaks about Health Care,I get the
sensation
we're having smoke blown up our ass..........
I think I'd rather eat a York Peppermint Patty(tm)...///
534 | Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:20:34am |
re: #511 MandyManners
Does anyone know what Hizb Ur-Tahrir means in English? Party of whatever?
I think it means something "up the rear"
535 | lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:20:47am |
re: #510 avanti
As I've already pointed out, that is no more information than I got from the Drudge headline.
Where is the "stimulus" for the economy? That is what all this deficit building is supposed to be about, remember?
536 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:20:49am |
537 | NelsFree Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:21:04am |
I could not find a rhyme with "Sharmuta". Sorry, dear.
{Sharmuta}
538 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:21:05am |
SHOCKA-ALERT™!
White House putting off budget update until Summer recess.
The White House budget director, Peter Orszag, said on Sunday that the administration believes the "chances are high" of getting a health care bill by then. But new analyses showing runaway costs are jeopardizing Senate passage.
"Instead of a dream, this routine report could be a nightmare," Tony Fratto, a former Treasury Department official and White House spokesman under President George W. Bush, said of the delayed budget update. "There are some things that can't be escaped."
The administration earlier this year predicted that unemployment would peak at about 9 percent without a big stimulus package and 8 percent with one. Congress did pass a $787 billion two-year stimulus measure, yet unemployment soared to 9.5 percent in June and appears headed for double digits.
Obama's current forecast anticipates 3.2 percent growth next year, then 4 percent or higher growth from 2011 to 2013. Private forecasts are less optimistic, especially for next year.
Any downward revision in growth or revenue projections would mean that budget deficits would be far higher than the administration is now suggesting.
SNIP
//Wow, why weren't we warned this would happen?
539 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:21:09am |
re: #527 3 wood
Obama's budget assumes a 4% growth in GDP every year. If we are less than that, the deficits shoot even higher than they had admitted.
Now ask yourself, how likely are we to have a 4% GDP growth anytime in the foreseeable future?
Morning 3w, I think we are going to be lucky if growth is flat for the next year or so.
540 | Digital Display Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:21:31am |
#525 Turn: Good Morning..The British open ended yesterday..Cink won.
541 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:21:53am |
re: #538 rightside
Yes, I understand Obama is going to hide the budget under his pillow
542 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:22:00am |
re: #523 NelsFree
Good Morning Everyone,
A special good morning to Mandy
handing out karma like candyTo all the Obama supporters: "How's that 'hope and change' workin' out for ya?
To all the firearms aficionados: "How's that 'scope and range' workin' out for ya?
Ummmmmmmm...Sharmuta's the one handing out Karma--she figured out her computer problem and shot her router or something like that.
543 | NelsFree Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:22:04am |
re: #525 turn
Morning hoops, hey do you know when the British open ends?
When they eat, and when they go to the bathroom.
/h
544 | Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:22:05am |
re: #511 MandyManners
Hizb Ut-Tahrir means "Party of Liberation"
545 | SixDegrees Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:22:23am |
re: #449 Pianobuff
Add this to the good news. The White House does not want us knowing how "other-worldly" their budget projections were.....
Way to go, guys. Glad we have that new competence in the White House.
Well, if they're not going to release the report, I'd say it's time to fill that vacuum with the most pessimistic speculation possible. Fair's fair - if the Administration doesn't care for that tactic, tell them to counter it with facts. If they have any.
547 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:22:47am |
re: #544 Kenneth
Same thing, tho...right.. "party of assholes?"
548 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:22:47am |
re: #529 CommonCents
I think Tahrir translates to "the rear" so that would be party of assholes.
I guess they fit right in in Chicago.
549 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:22:51am |
re: #537 NelsFree
I don't need poetry- I have normal page loads again. Really- it's almost better than chocolate. Almost.
550 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:22:54am |
re: #527 3 wood
Obama's budget assumes a 4% growth in GDP every year. If we are less than that, the deficits shoot even higher than they had admitted.
Now ask yourself, how likely are we to have a 4% GDP growth anytime in the foreseeable future?
Less likely than Olbermann inviting Rush to his family BBQ.
551 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:23:12am |
re: #536 MandyManners
Ah. There's a thread on the front page.
Um, Duh. "Slaps forehead". Perhaps I shall try reading the blog next time before jumping into the open thread.
Thank you.
552 | FrogMarch Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:23:19am |
re: #484 VioletTiger
There is a very well-dressed older gentleman in my area who has been spending a few hours every afternoon with a STOP OBAMACARE sign on different busy roadways. He is getting lots of honks and thumbs up.
It's anecdotal - but a good sign. *beep beep* Just say no to the fleecing of America.
I think someone needs to make a bumper sticker that states simply:
NO MOORE - with the "O's" as Obama symbols with slashes. Since Obama is basically pushing Michael Moore's dream economic agenda.
553 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:23:19am |
554 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:23:49am |
re: #494 Cannadian Club Akbar
I don't know it personally, but I know about it because I am in the area. Did they have a number to call? Hope so. I am sure they could set up a chat for you because of your location. Good luck.
Hey thanks - if you could set up a "chat" for me with them it'd be much appreciated! My nic is in blue for e-mail purposes!
555 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:24:02am |
re: #540 HoosierHoops
#525 Turn: Good Morning..The British open ended yesterday..Cink won.
dang, I watched Watson a bit on Saturday and was hoping he could pull it off. I googled news on that before I asked if it ended and didn't come up with anything that said somebody won. Thanks.
556 | FrogMarch Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:24:13am |
re: #500 lawhawk
Here's background info on Clougherty Packing, LLC, which is one of the companies that sold the pork. It's a part of Hormel Foods and is a major supplier of pork products on the West Coast.
Let the PORK puns commence.
557 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:24:25am |
re: #508 DaddyG
I'm a late arrival. Any discussion about the death of the Vietnamese propaganda minister?
Earlier thread, and HuffPo-esque gloating comments will be deleted.
558 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:24:33am |
re: #467 Pianobuff
Not sure, but this is a metaphor for how it will work......
LOL! I'd say that's about right!
559 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:24:48am |
re: #538 rightside
SHOCKA-ALERT™!
White House putting off budget update until Summer recess.
SNIP//Wow, why weren't we warned this would happen?
His cabinet heads were supposed to turn in the specifics on his mandated $100,000,000.00 reductions for each department's budget today.
560 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:24:53am |
GrandpaG just sent a copy of that 1934 Chicago Tribune cartoon in an e-mail... The more things change...
561 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:25:30am |
re: #544 Kenneth
Hizb Ut-Tahrir means "Party of Liberation"
Exactly what gets "liberated"? An infidel's head from his neck?
562 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:25:38am |
re: #514 Pianobuff
Where does it say what the use is?
With the contract number, you can track what agency gets the canned pork, from that, I assume you could track down how many cases go where out of the warehouse.
I get the questions, but is it not better to at least know where the money is going so we can ask the questions and investigate if we like ? I don't think the canned ham contract will be a big scandal, but it's there is you want to follow it.
563 | FrogMarch Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:25:43am |
re: #538 rightside
SHOCKA-ALERT™!
White House putting off budget update until Summer recess.
SNIP
//Wow, why weren't we warned this would happen?
Hope, change and transparency. /not quite
564 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:25:58am |
re: #551 DaddyG
Um, Duh. "Slaps forehead". Perhaps I shall try reading the blog next time before jumping into the open thread.
Thank you.
Happens to all of us from time to time.
565 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:26:02am |
re: #556 FrogMarch
Let the PORK puns commence.
I'll let someone else handle them this time; I've been accused of being too much of a ham in the past.
566 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:26:18am |
re: #500 lawhawk
Hormel, hmmm - where have I heard that name before?
Say, is that the same Hormel Foods that got raided by ICE because of their extensive use of illegal aliens undocumented workers?
Oh, and good morning to you lawhawk!
567 | lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:26:21am |
re: #538 rightside
I understand now. They've got so much transparency, it's impossible to see through it!
568 | Digital Display Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:26:48am |
569 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:26:53am |
re: #545 SixDegrees
Well, if they're not going to release the report, I'd say it's time to fill that vacuum with the most pessimistic speculation possible. Fair's fair - if the Administration doesn't care for that tactic, tell them to counter it with facts. If they have any.
But then they get up and talk about mischaracterizations, and distractions and Sean Hannity and God knows what.
Pretty sad when one of your last hopes of offering unfiltered/critical White House press coverage is Helen Thomas.
571 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:27:26am |
572 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:27:37am |
re: #567 lincolntf
Transparency means thin sliced Like bacon Wendy's hamburger!
573 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:27:42am |
Those contracts shown at Drudge are oddly written.
The one for CLOUGHERTY PACKING, LLC, says "2-lb ham".
This has probably been covered already (I haven't yet read the entire thread, but I don't think the entire contract amount is for the purchase of one 2-lb. ham, but for providing 2-lb cooked,sliced, frozen hams until the contract value is reached.
The Dept of Agriculture has a commodity program where food is distributed to states for prisons and school systems to lower the cost of meals for those entities. I'm wondering if these contracts aren't for the USDA commodity program.
574 | KenJen Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:27:48am |
575 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:27:52am |
re: #503 J.D.
{J.D.} - yes I had read that before, but thanks a lot for that link and information! I greatly appreciate it!
576 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:28:06am |
re: #568 HoosierHoops
Pretty good, celebrated our 22nd anniversary Saturday, and went to the range yesterday, so we could practice.
What's new?
578 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:29:07am |
re: #508 DaddyG
I'm a late arrival. Any discussion about the death of the Vietnamese propaganda minister?
Why no. Hell I didn't even know he was sick!
579 | Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:29:24am |
re: #561 MandyManners
Here's their website.
Or you can read the wiki page on them.
Hizb ut-Tahrir (Arabic: حِزْبُ التَحْرِير; English: Party of Liberation) is an international pan-Islamist, Sunni, vanguard[2] political party whose goal is to combine all Muslim countries in a unitary Islamic state or caliphate, ruled by Islamic law and with a caliph head of state elected by Muslims.[3]Hizb ut-Tahrir believes a caliphate "will provide stability and security to all the people of the region, Muslims and Non-Muslims".[5] The party promotes "an elaborate and detailed program for instituting an Islamist state"[6] that will "establish the laws of the Islamic Shariah and to carry the Da'wah of Islam to the world."[7] It believes this "comprehensive solution" will provide "sincere leadership that cares for and protects its citizens from the colonial foreign policies of Bush and Blair" and bring an end to "US interventions, energy inspired wars, puppet (Muslim) governments and western values forced by the barrel of a gun."[8] Hizb ut-Tahrir is strongly anti-Zionist and calls for "the dismantling" of the "illegal entity" of Israel.[9]
Hizb ut-Tahrir has generated mixed opinions. Some observers believe it is a victim of unjust and untrue allegations of connections to terrorism.[10] Others argue its stated opposition to violence is tactical and temporary,[11] and it works to create an atmosphere conducive to terrorism[12] by preaching hatred[13] and by actions such as calling suicide bombers "martyrs" and talking of the need to "destroy the new crusaders," i. e. Western troops in Iraq.[14]
580 | SixDegrees Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:29:51am |
re: #569 Pianobuff
But then they get up and talk about mischaracterizations, and distractions and Sean Hannity and God knows what.
Pretty sad when one of your last hopes of offering unfiltered/critical White House press coverage is Helen Thomas.
Meet every such accusation with a demand for actual data to back up their position with. Or simply point out that the Administration has refused to release it's budget report because of the dismal news it contains and the political consequences the truth will have on the Administration's ambitions.
This sort of thing is gold in the political world. It's astonishing that the GOP isn't shouting it from the rooftops.
581 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:30:27am |
582 | NelsFree Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:30:29am |
I'm afraid I've had too much coffee. Excuse me while I move the foundation of my house a few inches. BBL.
583 | jvic Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:30:30am |
re: #450 opnion
On top of losing on Card Check...
I gather the unions got preferential treatment in the GM bankruptcy. Obama didn't just propose it; he insisted. Making amends to his base for not getting card check through?
584 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:31:41am |
585 | apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:31:52am |
re: #512 pingjockey
Mornin'! That's what my dad thought. The man is 59. A couple of breaks though and he wins it. Yes, caught up on my emails!
I like him very much but the putt that lost the claret cup was a choke, n o doubt. Not that most anyone couldn't have made it through that pressure. how old was cink?
586 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:31:55am |
re: #578 realwest
He must have been sick for a while..I mean, c'mon, when was the last time you heard Vietnamese Propaganda that made you want to move your feet and sway to the rhythm??
587 | lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:31:56am |
re: #573 reine.de.tout
That's what I'm wondering, too. If so, it hardly seems like "stimulus". I mean, are we going to double the amount of ham we buy for prisoners (or are the packers just gonna double the price to cut down on unnecessary ppwk)?
And that's it? That's the brilliant recovery plan that we spent a huge amount of our future wealth on?
589 | pingjockey Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:32:04am |
Oh my! Michael Steele actually said something with some guts about the Obama/Pelosi Health bill. Just on FNC.
590 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:32:42am |
re: #580 SixDegrees
Meet every such accusation with a demand for actual data to back up their position with. Or simply point out that the Administration has refused to release it's budget report because of the dismal news it contains and the political consequences the truth will have on the Administration's ambitions.
This sort of thing is gold in the political world. It's astonishing that the GOP isn't shouting it from the rooftops.
Well you are right of course about the opportunity and the timing and I do hope they will pound this home. I guess I'm just not as confident in the way it would (or wouldn't) be covered.
592 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:32:49am |
re: #579 Kenneth
Here's their website.
Or you can read the wiki page on them.
I hope the FBI has a probe way up their butts.
593 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:33:03am |
re: #584 MandyManners
I feel like Obama just made me a czar of some kind...
594 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:33:06am |
re: #589 pingjockey
Oh my! Michael Steele actually said something with some guts about the Obama/Pelosi Health bill. Just on FNC.
Probably the only media outlet that will report it.
595 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:33:08am |
re: #535 lincolntf
As I've already pointed out, that is no more information than I got from the Drudge headline.
Where is the "stimulus" for the economy? That is what all this deficit building is supposed to be about, remember?
I'm beginner to think recovery.gov posting the spending in the open was a mistake. The idea was to spend in the open, but it's just opened a can of worms. Folks like Drudge are just going to use it to drive traffic without any investigation of the sensational headlines.
596 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:33:18am |
Sorry for that image this early in the morning.
597 | pingjockey Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:33:20am |
re: #585 apachegunner
I don't know. He's gotta be 40 something. Watson is 59.
598 | CommonCents Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:33:24am |
re: #531 quiet man
All that ass and they cant shake it..
a shame really
Maybe, maybe not. It's tough to tell with those big ol' robes.
599 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:33:29am |
re: #519 HoosierHoops
Good morning Hoops! How are you today?
600 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:33:30am |
re: #587 lincolntf
That's what I'm wondering, too. If so, it hardly seems like "stimulus". I mean, are we going to double the amount of ham we buy for prisoners (or are the packers just gonna double the price to cut down on unnecessary ppwk)?
And that's it? That's the brilliant recovery plan that we spent a huge amount of our future wealth on?
It's a very ham-handed approach to recovery.
601 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:33:33am |
re: #506 realwest
I'm doing fine, sent you a long email about the weekend.
I notice Tom starting to limp a little bit in the latter holes, he has a replacement hip on the left side.
Tournament golf is a completely different game than recreational golf. I've only played in amateur tournaments, and but it was like being in a pressure cooker. It wears on you physically as well as mentally. You feel after a tournament like you been in a fight. I think Watson just got worn down.
602 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:33:36am |
re: #592 MandyManners
I hope the FBI has a probe way up their butts.
That would explain those weird high-pitched "ululululululul" noises they keep making.
603 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:33:37am |
604 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:33:47am |
Good morning all. Been getting better sleep patterns recently trying a few of the suggestions some of you were kind enough to share.
Realwest, check your e-mail.
605 | SixDegrees Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:33:48am |
re: #425 avanti
Yes, and they don't weigh the higher percentage of Dems in the electorate. Rasmussen is niche pollster that is a regular on FOX TV and Drudge. I recall his optimistic polling on McCain giving some Lizards false hope. Use the poll of polls to even out the outliers, or Nate Silver who has been dead nuts on. Yes, Gallup tends a point or two higher then some, but Rasmussen spins his polls for Fox and Drudge.
Ask yourself why conservative sites don't quote the poll averages, just the most optimistic Rasmussen poll.
607 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:34:02am |
re: #510 avanti
Here's the link for the canned pork contract. If you have questions about this contract like was the bidding rigged because the company supported the POTUS, all the details are
And you expect us to believe something generated by the government... when even the CIA lies to Nancy Pelosi...
608 | Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:34:03am |
re: #573 reine.de.tout
If you google the project numbers you can pull up details of the proposals.
609 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:34:07am |
610 | Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:34:15am |
If this doesn't scare the sh*t out of you, nothing will...
...just watch those numbers roll by.
611 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:34:23am |
re: #595 avanti
I'm beginner to think recovery.gov posting the spending in the open was a mistake. The idea was to spend in the open, but it's just opened a can of worms. Folks like Drudge are just going to use it to drive traffic without any investigation of the sensational headlines.
Doesn't help either to have Biden out there announcing that of course there will be fraud and mismanagement.....
612 | Digital Display Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:34:27am |
re: #576 rightside
Pretty good, celebrated our 22nd anniversary Saturday, and went to the range yesterday, so we could practice.
What's new?
Sounds nice..Dinner and a movie? Congrads!
613 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:34:37am |
re: #578 realwest
Given the classy responses on the previous thread I'd better leave the snark out.
614 | pingjockey Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:34:42am |
re: #594 JamesTKirk
Uberdork or Madcow may have it on just to poke fun at him!
615 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:35:03am |
re: #602 JamesTKirk
That would explain those weird high-pitched "ululululululul" noises they keep making.
There's a really dirty joke in there somewhere. I ain't gonna' touch it.
616 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:35:03am |
re: #579 Kenneth
Here's their website.
Or you can read the wiki page on them.
Isn't this "party" banned/illegal in the U.K.?
617 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:35:07am |
re: #603 MandyManners
Pan czar..I would be known as Panzar leader
618 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:35:16am |
re: #500 lawhawk
Here's background info on Clougherty Packing, LLC, which is one of the companies that sold the pork. It's a part of Hormel Foods and is a major supplier of pork products on the West Coast.
Now, you've done more work then Drudge did.
619 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:35:29am |
re: #508 DaddyG
I'm a late arrival. Any discussion about the death of the Vietnamese propaganda minister?
Oh that is too funny.
Tragic, but still...
620 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:35:41am |
re: #604 Gang of One
Good morning all. Been getting better sleep patterns recently trying a few of the suggestions some of you were kind enough to share.
Realwest, check your e-mail.
I'm glad to hear that. Chronic insmonia can have some serious physical and mental effects.
621 | Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:35:43am |
622 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:36:15am |
re: #526 avanti
BTW, do you think we'll break the 9000 barrier this quarter ?
I doubt it. For sure not if we get either Cap and Trade or nationalized health care.
623 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:36:34am |
re: #606 taxfreekiller
Of some note:
It they are U.S.D.A. pork contracts for Federal Prison System,
30% of the population there, illegals.just saying
30 percent of our prison population is made up of illegals? Drug crimes, or what?
624 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:36:49am |
re: #609 MandyManners
re: #594 JamesTKirkProbably the only media outlet that will report it.
LGF is a media outlet.
True; I usually mean "old media" (TV/cable/newspapers) when I say "media". In either case, however, the only people who will hear about his preaching are those of us already in the choir.
625 | rightside Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:36:59am |
re: #612 HoosierHoops
Dinner for sure. We made our own movie ;^)
626 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:37:07am |
re: #615 MandyManners
There's a really dirty joke in there somewhere. I ain't gonna' touch it.
You don't want to be the butt of my humor.
627 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:37:09am |
re: #587 lincolntf
I worry that the stimulus money is going to fill budget shortfalls instead of real shovel ready infrastructure. There is nothing I see that dispells that worry. We need to be insisting the government agencies find efficiencies and places to save instead of propping up their bad habits with more debt.
628 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:37:16am |
re: #540 HoosierHoops
#525 Turn: Good Morning..The British open ended yesterday..Cink won.
OK, we know that cinking a putt is the way to win it, but who sunk that final putt?!
629 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:37:31am |
re: #601 3 wood
There was a celebrity tourney up at Tahoe this weekend that I watched a little bit on Saturday. I just about fell out of my chair when I saw Charles Barkley swing. Talk about a friggin hitch in his get along, weird. Did you see that?
630 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:37:39am |
re: #610 Kenneth
If this doesn't scare the sh*t out of you, nothing will...
...just watch those numbers roll by.
631 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:38:04am |
re: #575 realwest
Realwest, call the Datolli place. Will send #. They will set up a phone interview with a doctor.:)
632 | Digital Display Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:38:23am |
re: #625 rightside
Dinner for sure. We made our own movie ;^)
Well I certainly hope it was a better Video than Pam Anderson and Tommy Lee made...:)
634 | lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:38:28am |
re: #595 avanti
You're really scared that this "opens a can of worms"? That's just sad.
635 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:38:31am |
re: #610 Kenneth
If this doesn't scare the sh*t out of you, nothing will...
...just watch those numbers roll by.
This should be showing on multiple monitors 24/7 in as many public places as possible. Especially the high school where I teach.
636 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:38:33am |
re: #604 Gang of One
Good morning all. Been getting better sleep patterns recently trying a few of the suggestions some of you were kind enough to share.
Realwest, check your e-mail.
Hey that's good news. Did you look into the apnea thing?
637 | albusteve Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:38:38am |
re: #535 lincolntf
As I've already pointed out, that is no more information than I got from the Drudge headline.
Where is the "stimulus" for the economy? That is what all this deficit building is supposed to be about, remember?
even avanti does not believe that
638 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:38:40am |
re: #611 Pianobuff
Doesn't help either to have Biden out there announcing that of course there will be fraud and mismanagement.....
Never tell the truth as a politician. Of course there will be fraud and mismanagement in trillions of expenditures.
639 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:38:41am |
re: #539 turn
Morning 3w, I think we are going to be lucky if growth is flat for the next year or so.
Agreed. Therefore, the deficits will be even higher than are currently being projected.
640 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:38:45am |
re: #608 Killgore Trout
If you google the project numbers you can pull up details of the proposals.
I got the same report Drudge linked to.
Not a huge amount of "detail" in those.
641 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:39:27am |
re: #616 Gang of One
Isn't this "party" banned/illegal in the U.K.?
I thought so.
FCBBHO wants his own Muslim summit.
Hat tip to Kenneth.
642 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:39:29am |
re: #608 Killgore Trout
I had the most wild night of trying to deal with my connection issues. I tried rebooting my modem again, but then I couldn't get connected to the internet at all. So finally I tried a different port and cord with both my computer and my modem- and not only did I get reconnected- my page load issue went buh-bye. It's like Christmas in July, so I'm giving away karma.
643 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:39:48am |
re: #606 taxfreekiller
Of some note:
It they are U.S.D.A. pork contracts for Federal Prison System,
30% of the population there, illegals.just saying
All those prison converts to Islam must be thrilled with the meat they'll be getting.
/
644 | Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:39:49am |
re: #592 MandyManners
Huzb ut Tahrir is a banned organization in several countries. Why are they free to operate openly in the US? Officially, they reject violence, but... their declarations are highly nuanced. They have been described as a "gateway" organization. Impressionable young people are brought in, radicalized and then directed to join other organizations to carry out acts of terrorism & jihad.
645 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:39:58am |
re: #526 avanti
His approval is up with the 7% recent increase, might just be a coincidence. BTW, do you think we'll break the 9000 barrier this quarter ?
646 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:40:01am |
649 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:41:00am |
re: #620 MandyManners
I'm glad to hear that. Chronic insmonia can have some serious physical and mental effects.
Mandy, it was really bad during the winter. I almost lost my cool with some colleagues and another teacher had to bring me back from the edge. Yeah, insomnia was killing me. I even got a scrip for Ambien, but use that only if I have three nights in a row with bad insomnia, and I'll use it for no more than three days in a row.
651 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:41:10am |
652 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:41:37am |
re: #644 Kenneth
Huzb ut Tahrir is a banned organization in several countries. Why are they free to operate openly in the US? Officially, they reject violence, but... their declarations are highly nuanced. They have been described as a "gateway" organization. Impressionable young people are brought in, radicalized and then directed to join other organizations to carry out acts of terrorism & jihad.
Does it have any representatives in the mosques in Minnesota which those Somali yutes attended before they left to train for jihad?
653 | lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:41:53am |
re: #608 Killgore Trout
When I Google the contract number I get the same exact summary sheet that Drudge has up and that every link seems to lead to.
I guess that's all we get?
654 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:42:13am |
655 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:42:23am |
re: #627 DaddyG
I worry that the stimulus money is going to fill budget shortfalls instead of real shovel ready infrastructure. There is nothing I see that dispells that worry. We need to be insisting the government agencies find efficiencies and places to save instead of propping up their bad habits with more debt.
Come on now, using stimulus money to bridge shortfalls is the sure road to recovery. If Joe Biden says it, it must be true. Remember he has a much higher IQ than any of us.
656 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:42:40am |
re: #583 jvic
I gather the unions got preferential treatment in the GM bankruptcy. Obama didn't just propose it; he insisted. Making amends to his base for not getting card check through?
Probably. Card Check is anti democratic, denying the secret ballot , but BHO still supported it. Must have reminded him of Acorn tactics.
657 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:42:48am |
re: #649 Gang of One
Mandy, it was really bad during the winter. I almost lost my cool with some colleagues and another teacher had to bring me back from the edge. Yeah, insomnia was killing me. I even got a scrip for Ambien, but use that only if I have three nights in a row with bad insomnia, and I'll use it for no more than three days in a row.
Is it habit-forming?
658 | Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:42:53am |
re: #616 Gang of One
According to this page, they are not banned in the UK, US or Canada.
659 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:43:01am |
OK - So I googled the 2-pound ham. The entries are mostly from out in the blogosphere with outrage of spending over 500K per pound of ham. Of course, if you look at recovery.gov you would have good reason to assume we spent over 1 million on 2 pounds of ham.
It's already becoming known as "Wagyu Ham" and is spreading like wildfire based on what is out on recovery.gov
Obama and the Dems are handling this just fine though. No worries.
660 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:43:17am |
re: #575 {realwest}
{J.D.} - yes I had read that before, but thanks a lot for that link and information! I greatly appreciate it!
I signed up for the e-mails for that just in case they came up with anything.
I'll keep my eyes open.
661 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:43:34am |
662 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:43:53am |
re: #655 soxfan4life
Come on now, using stimulus money to bridge shortfalls is the sure road to recovery. If Joe Biden says it, it must be true. Remember he has a much higher IQ than any of us.
Speaking of inflated estimates...
664 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:44:48am |
re: #562 avanti
GACK! WHY DON'T YOU GET THIS AVANTI? WE shouldn't have to dig around and track anything; the fucking government should put the information out there in a way that makes it possible for all of us to easily read and comprehend. Even the stupid mofos in Congress (mostly from the Leftist Party) who passed the damn law without reading it!
665 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:45:00am |
re: #587 lincolntf
That's what I'm wondering, too. If so, it hardly seems like "stimulus". I mean, are we going to double the amount of ham we buy for prisoners (or are the packers just gonna double the price to cut down on unnecessary ppwk)?
And that's it? That's the brilliant recovery plan that we spent a huge amount of our future wealth on?
It's impossible to tell if these items are for the USDA commodity program.
But if they are . . . the idea is that the USDA donates food to states for use in schools, nursing homes, prisons, etc.
In Louisiana, those types of institutions can apply for food from the "food distribution program" and it keeps their cost of operation down. That's how it's intended to work.
666 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:45:10am |
re: #639 3 wood
Agreed. Therefore, the deficits will be even higher than are currently being projected.
How are they going to blame Bush for their use of bogus numbers on their projections? I seem to remember a lot being said of his overly optimistic numbers for economic growth, when it fails to come to fruition how can they blame anyone but themselves?
667 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:45:10am |
re: #636 turn
Hey that's good news. Did you look into the apnea thing?
I discussed it with my dad, he's an MD. The problem is not so much breathing related as stress related. Although my GF says I snore sometimes ... not sure if that means anything.
668 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:45:20am |
re: #638 avanti
Never tell the truth as a politician. Of course there will be fraud and mismanagement in trillions of expenditures.
Yeah we know that. Only because they have been frauding us for years. Even when it was in the millions. What makes us think anything is going to be different now?
669 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:46:07am |
re: #664 realwest
Anyone who passes a law without reading it places party over the good of the people..and I am against those people,. first and foremost
671 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:46:49am |
re: #629 turn
There was a celebrity tourney up at Tahoe this weekend that I watched a little bit on Saturday. I just about fell out of my chair when I saw Charles Barkley swing. Talk about a friggin hitch in his get along, weird. Did you see that?
I've seen him many a time. He stops his swing half way down, repositions his body, then finishes the swing. It's hysterical to watch. Worst swing I've ever seen in my life, and I've a lot of them.
672 | Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:47:01am |
re: #642 Sharmuta
I had the most wild night of trying to deal with my connection issues. I tried rebooting my modem again, but then I couldn't get connected to the internet at all. So finally I tried a different port and cord with both my computer and my modem- and not only did I get reconnected- my page load issue went buh-bye. It's like Christmas in July, so I'm giving away karma.
Wow, congratulations!
673 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:47:01am |
re: #665 reine.de.tout
It's impossible to tell if these items are for the USDA commodity program.
But if they are . . . the idea is that the USDA donates food to states for use in schools, nursing homes, prisons, etc.In Louisiana, those types of institutions can apply for food from the "food distribution program" and it keeps their cost of operation down. That's how it's intended to work.
And as far as this spending being part of the "recovery" plan - I just have no clue. But I think this money would have been spent anyhow.
674 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:47:03am |
re: #601 3 wood
I'm doing fine, sent you a long email about the weekend.
I notice Tom starting to limp a little bit in the latter holes, he has a replacement hip on the left side.
Tournament golf is a completely different game than recreational golf. I've only played in amateur tournaments, and but it was like being in a pressure cooker. It wears on you physically as well as mentally. You feel after a tournament like you been in a fight. I think Watson just got worn down.
I didn't know he'd had a hip replacement.
I was in physical therapy with Peter Jacobson when he had a knee replaced. He's had all sorts of issues. Bless his heart.
675 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:47:27am |
re: #668 BlueCanuck
Yeah we know that. Only because they have been frauding us for years. Even when it was in the millions. What makes us think anything is going to be different now?
That's the bitch when you run on change and I'm not the same old politician. I really can't wait to hear the 2012 campaign. Is he going to run on the failed policies of the last 4 years?
676 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:47:31am |
re: #664 realwest
GACK! WHY DON'T YOU GET THIS AVANTI? WE shouldn't have to dig around and track anything; the fucking government should put the information out there in a way that makes it possible for all of us to easily read and comprehend. Even the stupid mofos in Congress (mostly from the Leftist Party) who passed the damn law without reading it!
Google "wagyu ham".
And then repeat this...."It's me that's stupid. It's good ham. Yummy. I'm a dummy. Obama he smart." over and over and over.....
677 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:47:35am |
re: #580 SixDegrees
It's not that astonishing my friend when you realize that the MSM has all the bullhorns from which to shout.
And ACORN is guarding all the stairway entrances!
678 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:47:47am |
The Feds couldn't find their overly inflated butt with both hands much less publish the data in a transparent way. This is the #1 reason they don't need more $ to throw at self infllcted problems.
679 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:48:00am |
re: #654 MandyManners
Or you'll roll right over me?
Mmmmm, crunchies.....
/tanker slang for infantry.
680 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:48:01am |
re: #671 3 wood
I've seen him many a time. He stops his swing half way down, repositions his body, then finishes the swing. It's hysterical to watch. Worst swing I've ever seen in my life, and I've a lot of them.
Here I was off finding a youtube clip. Check this shit out
681 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:48:39am |
re: #661 quiet man
I think I would BOLO over you instead..
a mark 23 with an enhanced brainbox
I Pattonly don't have the guts to continue on with these tank puns.
682 | Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:48:56am |
re: #355 Pianobuff
On Drudge:
RASMUSSEN 2012 poll released at 10:30AM ET
Obama 45% Romney 45%
Obama 48% Palin 42%
Interesting, and they said Romney had no chance against Obama. I call bullshit on the MSM. I'd say Romney would have a better than even chance of beating Obama in 2012.
683 | pingjockey Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:49:08am |
re: #671 3 wood
They had the "swing doctor" try to cure Charles on the golf channel, like a reality show. What a hoot. I have seen some terrible swings, but CB wins hands down.
684 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:49:27am |
re: #583 jvic
I gather the unions got preferential treatment in the GM bankruptcy. Obama didn't just propose it; he insisted. Making amends to his base for not getting card check through?
Uh, no, that happened before Card Check went down in flames; it was merely payback (with OUR MONEY - the US Government OWNS 61% of the new GM); the UAW got 17% of the stock!
685 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:49:29am |
re: #680 turn
I almost spewed on my keyboard, that swing is so funny.
686 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:49:50am |
re: #683 pingjockey
They had the "swing doctor" try to cure Charles on the golf channel, like a reality show. What a hoot. I have seen some terrible swings, but CB wins hands down.
You obviously haven't seen me play.///////
687 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:50:07am |
re: #676 Pianobuff
Google "wagyu ham".
And then repeat this...."It's me that's stupid. It's good ham. Yummy. I'm a dummy. Obama he smart." over and over and over.....
Ddin't FCBBHO serve Wagyu beef at one of his Wednesday night parties?
688 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:50:09am |
re: #629 turn
There was a celebrity tourney up at Tahoe this weekend that I watched a little bit on Saturday. I just about fell out of my chair when I saw Charles Barkley swing. Talk about a friggin hitch in his get along, weird. Did you see that?
They had an entire series on the Golf Channel where Hank Haney was trying to fix that ... for lack of a better word... golf swing. It's painful to watch.
689 | Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:50:28am |
re: #618 avanti
Now, you've done more work then Drudge did.
Drudge? Do work? Surely you must be joking. All I find the Drudge Report to be is a major link site and little more.
690 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:50:30am |
re: #657 MandyManners
Is it habit-forming?
I don't think it is, but I would rather not be dependent in any way on any thing. It's a last resort -- I am also dedicating more time/days to doing Qi Gong and Tai Chi in addition to my other martial arts training. The Qi Gong also helps, especially the breathing control, for reducing stress.
692 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:50:54am |
re: #679 BlueCanuck
Mmmmm, crunchies.....
/tanker slang for infantry.
In general, tank puns are above my rank.
695 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:51:18am |
re: #666 soxfan4life
I seem to remember a lot being said of his overly optimistic numbers for economic growth, when it fails to come to fruition how can they blame anyone but themselves?
They will say that they inherited a bigger mess than they thought. The MSM will repeat that over and over. They will send out talking points on it too.
696 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:51:40am |
I must have missed something since my attendance here is sporadic -- what does FCBBHO mean? I mean, some of it's obvious, but...?
697 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:51:41am |
dang, sharm is passing out dings like they were candy - she's so relieved to get the connection back up.
698 | Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:51:48am |
re: #652 MandyManners
I have no idea, because Hizb ut Tahrir's membership is secret. It is known that the Islamic Courts movement in Somalia has received assistance from Al Qaeda, Hezbollah and Iran.
699 | lawhawk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:52:00am |
re: #566 realwest
Good morning back atcha!
Hormel might have had problems, but as far as I can tell, Clougherty hasn't had ICE issues.
700 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:52:21am |
re: #690 Gang of One
I don't think it is, but I would rather not be dependent in any way on any thing. It's a last resort -- I am also dedicating more time/days to doing Qi Gong and Tai Chi in addition to my other martial arts training. The Qi Gong also helps, especially the breathing control, for reducing stress.
Have you looked into Progressive Muscle Relaxation?
701 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:52:24am |
re: #659 Pianobuff
OK - So I googled the 2-pound ham. The entries are mostly from out in the blogosphere with outrage of spending over 500K per pound of ham. Of course, if you look at recovery.gov you would have good reason to assume we spent over 1 million on 2 pounds of ham.
It's already becoming known as "Wagyu Ham" and is spreading like wildfire based on what is out on recovery.gov
Obama and the Dems are handling this just fine though. No worries.
You can't be serious, some on the right think it was one million dollar canned ham ? If I was a Democratic adviser, I'd love that story to grow.
702 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:52:32am |
re: #672 Killgore Trout
Wow, congratulations!
I no longer believe in internet gods, for they did not smite me for all the wicked and cruel things I said about them last night. But I do believe in modem gods.
703 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:52:54am |
re: #684 realwest
Uh, no, that happened before Card Check went down in flames; it was merely payback (with OUR MONEY - the US Government OWNS 61% of the new GM); the UAW got 17% of the stock!
Card check hasn't gone down yet. They took it out of the bill, but it could still rear it's ugly head in compromise, or just get stuck on as an unread amendment, which is my guess. These assholes don't much care how bad they rub it in our faces, nor do they care how much damage they inflict, as long as they think it helps them to retain power. Who else would run a campaign on how we are going to change the greatest country on earth?
704 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:52:55am |
re: #682 Honorary Yooper
Interesting, and they said Romney had no chance against Obama. I call bullshit on the MSM. I'd say Romney would have a better than even chance of beating Obama in 2012.
If the economy stays bad (and Obama is doing everything to make sure it does), Romney will have an excellent chance of winning in 2012.
705 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:52:58am |
re: #589 pingjockey
Hi there ping! Hey, Michael Steele has been saying a lot of tough things, the MSM (and some Republicans who are eyeing the RNC Chairmanship with covetous eyes) just aren't reporting it!
Don't believe me? Just e-mail him at RNC - he WILL get back to you and if you ask specific questions he WILL answer them - or a staffer will - no form responses to question laden e-mails or faxed letters.
BTW - didja get my apology this morning in your e-mail?!
706 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:52:58am |
re: #696 JamesTKirk
I must have missed something since my attendance here is sporadic -- what does FCBBHO mean? I mean, some of it's obvious, but...?
I asked the same question a week or so ago.
Fucking Commie Bastard BHO
708 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:53:04am |
re: #696 JamesTKirk
I must have missed something since my attendance here is sporadic -- what does FCBBHO mean? I mean, some of it's obvious, but...?
FuckingCommieBastardBarakHusseinObama.
710 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:53:50am |
re: #658 Kenneth
According to this page, they are not banned in the UK, US or Canada.
IIRC, there was a writer for The Guardian who was canned for being a member, maybe I conflated this to thinking the organization was illegal.
711 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:53:53am |
re: #697 turn
dang, sharm is passing out dings like they were candy - she's so relieved to get the connection back up.
It's Christmas in July. I couldn't ding properly before with the page load issue, but now that the issue has been cleared up, I wanted to make up for lost time.
712 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:54:02am |
re: #696 JamesTKirk
I must have missed something since my attendance here is sporadic -- what does FCBBHO mean? I mean, some of it's obvious, but...?
Fucking Commie Bastard Barack Hussein Obama.
713 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:54:12am |
714 | 3 wood Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:54:41am |
re: #683 pingjockey
They had the "swing doctor" try to cure Charles on the golf channel, like a reality show. What a hoot. I have seen some terrible swings, but CB wins hands down.
There's no fixing his swing. It is what it is.
715 | Killian Bundy Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:54:42am |
Frozen sliced ham.
/great material for building infrastructure, let's buy $millions worth of it
716 | lawhawk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:54:54am |
This is a sport? Quidditch is being played on college campuses (without the flying, magic, or Snape) by muggles.
Hey, I'm a fan of Harry Potter, but this is just nuts.
717 | Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:54:59am |
re: #710 Gang of One
The Guardian fired him? Are you sure they didn't promote him?
718 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:55:10am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
Hope today finds you all nciely dry and warm, with lovely sunhsine to bless you!
Unlike here, where we have rain and rain and more rain, and the next lot coming in off the Atlantic tomorrow morning ...
Here we are, three-quarters through July, and I still have to pull me weillies on when we go out in the morning!
719 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:55:25am |
re: #696 JamesTKirk
I must have missed something since my attendance here is sporadic -- what does FCBBHO mean? I mean, some of it's obvious, but...?
[adjective that begins with an f] commie bastard...
720 | Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:55:43am |
re: #704 Kosh's Shadow
If the economy stays bad (and Obama is doing everything to make sure it does), Romney will have an excellent chance of winning in 2012.
He's already got my vote (as he did in the primary last year). The man is a business whiz, and one of the sane Republicans left.
721 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:56:23am |
re: #706 turn
I asked the same question a week or so ago.
Fucking Commie Bastard BHO
Thanks. I had four of the six letters figured out.
722 | Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:56:41am |
re: #716 lawhawk
This is a sport? Quidditch is being played on college campuses (without the flying, magic, or Snape) by muggles.
Hey, I'm a fan of Harry Potter, but this is just nuts.
The funny thing is, Quidditch as presented in the books and movies reminds me of lacrosse.
723 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:56:42am |
re: #713 MandyManners
Are the Wednesday night parties still happening?
724 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:57:02am |
re: #716 lawhawk
This is a sport? Quidditch is being played on college campuses (without the flying, magic, or Snape) by muggles.
Hey, I'm a fan of Harry Potter, but this is just nuts.
Unreal, if my son was attending a college and I found out they had a Quidditch team, I would stop payment fast and yank him out for his own sake.
725 | Digital Display Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:57:21am |
re: #718 yma o hyd
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
Hope today finds you all nciely dry and warm, with lovely sunhsine to bless you!
Unlike here, where we have rain and rain and more rain, and the next lot coming in off the Atlantic tomorrow morning ...
Here we are, three-quarters through July, and I still have to pull me weillies on when we go out in the morning!
Get thee to the Ark young lady! And don't forget to stop off at the pet store on your way and pick up 2 of everything...
*Wink*
726 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:57:26am |
re: #641 MandyManners
I thought so.
FCBBHO wants his own Muslim summit.
Hat tip to Kenneth.
It's interestig, during the campaign it was considered hateful to mention Obamas middle name or to suggest that he could even spell Muslim.
Now he tosses around his past with Islam as one more componenet of his fabulousness.
727 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:57:36am |
re: #718 yma o hyd
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
Hope today finds you all nciely dry and warm, with lovely sunhsine to bless you!
Unlike here, where we have rain and rain and more rain, and the next lot coming in off the Atlantic tomorrow morning ...
Here we are, three-quarters through July, and I still have to pull me weillies on when we go out in the morning!
Yea yma! What's a weillies?
729 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:58:05am |
re: #716 lawhawk
This is a sport? Quidditch is being played on college campuses (without the flying, magic, or Snape) by muggles.
Hey, I'm a fan of Harry Potter, but this is just nuts.
I had posted something on this months ago.
Is this the version where the snitch is someone running around in gold-colored clothes, or the version where it is a radio-controlled helicopter?
732 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:59:07am |
734 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:59:47am |
re: #679 BlueCanuck
Hmmm steel coffins! Infantry slang for tanks.
Just to, ya know, keep the scorecard even!
Thibitipit!!
735 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 7:59:53am |
re: #718 yma o hyd
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
Hope today finds you all nciely dry and warm, with lovely sunhsine to bless you!
Unlike here, where we have rain and rain and more rain, and the next lot coming in off the Atlantic tomorrow morning ...
Here we are, three-quarters through July, and I still have to pull me weillies on when we go out in the morning!
Just for you! Your text to link...
736 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:00:46am |
re: #726 opnion
It's interestig, during the campaign it was considered hateful to mention Obamas middle name or to suggest that he could even spell Muslim.
Now he tosses around his past with Islam as one more componenet of his fabulousness.
Not just hateful but, RACIST as well.
737 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:01:09am |
In case you missed this:
Henry Allingham: First World War veteran (Obituary)
From that link:
'Henry Allingham was the last survivor of the Royal Naval Air Service known to have been in action overseas in the First World War. He was an aircraft mechanic but often flew as an observer and air-gunner, or at the request of pilots to provide assurance that their aircraft were properly maintained and airworthy.
Allingham was 18 at the outbreak of war and would have volunteered but felt he could not leave his widowed mother; when she died in 1915 he rode his Triumph motorcycle to the recruiting office to offer it, and himself, to the Royal Engineers as a dispatch rider.
>> SNIP >>
Henry Allingham, the last known survivor of the RNAS to serve at sea and abroad during the First World War, was born on June 6, 1896. He died on July 18, 2009, aged 113'
Do read it!
739 | Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:02:17am |
re: #732 Gang of One
Ask about Trazedone. Works great and they give it to people in rehab, so probably safe.
741 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:03:04am |
re: #734 realwest
Hey, I was a ground pounder myself. No way in hell would I let myself be surrounded by armour on an extended period. The best part about Mech Infantry was getting out of the damned things.
742 | NJDhockeyfan Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:03:37am |
Man set alight after being hit with Taser
AN Aboriginal man from a remote western desert community was last night being airlifted to a Perth hospital after he was shot by police with a Taser gun and engulfed in flames.
The incident happened about midday yesterday at the West Australian community of Warburton after police went to a house where Ronald Mitchell and others were sniffing petrol.
Last night a crew from the Royal Flying Doctor Service airlifted Mr Mitchell to a Perth hospital to be treated for burns to 20 per cent of his body.
It is unclear exactly how the 36-year-old was set alight but family members told The Australian last night that his body burst into flames after the Taser hit him on the bridge of his nose.
His sister, Morinda West, said Mr Mitchell was sniffing petrol in his mother's house when police banged on the door and asked him to come out. Ms West said her brother, who was released from prison two months ago, was scared he was going to be arrested. He refused.
He eventually decided to leave and went to the front of the house with a lighter and a two-litre orange juice container full of petrol, she said.
"He must have put petrol on his face, then the policeman shot him with the Taser, that's when the flames happened," she said.
743 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:04:33am |
re: #725 HoosierHoops
Get thee to the Ark young lady! And don't forget to stop off at the pet store on your way and pick up 2 of everything...
*Wink*
Hiya, {HH}!
Thanks for the advice, and especially for the 'young lady'!
Madame would not be happy at all if I were to pick up two of everything - unless it were dog biscuits, special treats, nice dry food, chewy bones, doggie chocolates, and so forth ...
She'd defintiely put her paw down if I were to pick up two kittehs ...!
As for picking up two squirrels - don't lets even think of it!
How are you, and how is that Winston?
744 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:04:54am |
Here's how some on the right are covering the ham contract:
745 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:06:04am |
re: #724 soxfan4life
Unreal, if my son was attending a college and I found out they had a Quidditch team, I would stop payment fast and yank him out for his own sake.
College kids have been doing crazy stuff for years. There are so many worse things they could be doing.
At least they're not trying to fly (but running around with broomsticks between their legs looks tough).
746 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:06:18am |
747 | Eowyn2 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:06:21am |
To the various engineers, the welders, the pilots, cleaning crew of Houston, 1969.
'Salute'
Your names will be forgotten but your deed will live forever.
748 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:06:35am |
re: #727 turn
Yea yma! What's a weillies?
Aww ... 'wellies' is the typically British abbreviation for 'Wellington boots' - which is the name for rubber boots in this country.
And yep - they're called after the Great Man himself, because theis shape is reminiscent of the riding boots he used to wear.
749 | Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:06:53am |
Yikes. The right wing blogoshpere in embarrassing itself really bad this morning. Between the Ham spending and smearing the soldier taken hostage I just can't bare to watch it this morning.
750 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:07:18am |
re: #741 BlueCanuck
Hey, I was a ground pounder myself. No way in hell would I let myself be surrounded by armour on an extended period. The best part about Mech Infantry was getting out of the damned things.
When Uncle Sam tried to send this soldier to Ft Bragg and the 82nd my reply was when they can rig a tank to be dropped with a chute I'll ride it down to the ground. While I appreciate all the infantry does, and I spent some years with them, armor serves a purpose as well. Even if it was to get this leg out of airborne school.
751 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:07:31am |
re: #700 MandyManners
Have you looked into Progressive Muscle Relaxation?
No, I have not. Any links or should I just gugul it?
752 | Digital Display Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:08:00am |
re: #743 yma o hyd
Hiya, {HH}!
Thanks for the advice, and especially for the 'young lady'!
Madame would not be happy at all if I were to pick up two of everything - unless it were dog biscuits, special treats, nice dry food, chewy bones, doggie chocolates, and so forth ...
She'd defintiely put her paw down if I were to pick up two kittehs ...!
As for picking up two squirrels - don't lets even think of it!How are you, and how is that Winston?
I'm doing great...When I am at home Winston sets beside me and everytime I lean over to type on the computer he licks my elbow.
It Tickles.. The little brat.. LOL
754 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:08:41am |
755 | Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:09:04am |
re: #641 MandyManners
Thanks for the nod!
Now read this stunning result of Obama's Middle east policy:
Israel: Barack Obama is no friend of ours…
Throughout the political campaign Barack Obama argued that he was a staunch friend of Israel. In Cairo, in his ground-breaking speech to the Islamic world, he asserted America was committed to the security of Israel. Wherever he goes he says he is committed to upholding America's long history of supporting the Jewish state.
So how come a Jerusalem Post poll conducted late last month says only six percent of Israelis think the Obama administration is pro-Israel, down from almost five times that in the early weeks of the administration? This is such a low number that it clearly cuts across all parties, demographic and social groups within Israel. It effectively says that something that Obama has done in his first six months in office has convinced virtually all the Israeli people... that he's not what he said he was.
756 | Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:09:31am |
re: #744 avanti
Here's how some on the right are covering the ham contract:
Yup, that seems to be the established talking point. Instapundit is linking to something similar. How smart people can be so stupid is beyond me. It just makes me mad.
757 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:09:40am |
re: #750 soxfan4life
When Uncle Sam tried to send this soldier to Ft Bragg and the 82nd my reply was when they can rig a tank to be dropped with a chute I'll ride it down to the ground. While I appreciate all the infantry does, and I spent some years with them, armor serves a purpose as well. Even if it was to get this leg out of airborne school.
Back in the late 60's they had one. Although this video doesn't have it being dropped that far:
758 | lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:10:19am |
re: #749 Killgore Trout
Usually when you say you can't bear something, that means you'll be linking to it all day long.
Don't let Hamgate consume you too much.
759 | albusteve Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:10:45am |
re: #756 Killgore Trout
Yup, that seems to be the established talking point. Instapundit is linking to something similar. How smart people can be so stupid is beyond me. It just makes me mad.
stupidity is universal
760 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:10:47am |
USDA Emergency Food Assistance Program.
Program Purpose
The objectives of the ARRA TEFAP funding include:1. Provide additional food to food banks, food pantries, and soup kitchens, so that they may better serve the increased number of individuals seeking assistance through the nation’s emergency food system due to recent economic conditions.
2. Provide additional administrative resources to State agencies and local organizations to absorb costs associated with the increased distribution of food.
762 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:12:07am |
re: #752 HoosierHoops
I'm doing great...When I am at home Winston sets beside me and everytime I lean over to type on the computer he licks my elbow.
It Tickles.. The little brat.. LOL
Thats sweet!
Just be grateful he's not trying to lick your face ...
Thats what Madame tries to do every time I sneeze - which is so sweet of her, showing her concern, but not when I've got my laptop on my lap!
(And I wager she's a bit bigger than Winston ...!)
763 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:12:08am |
re: #750 soxfan4life
Ah, it's just friendly ribbing. The armour folk called us crunchies, and we called them zipper heads. And of course the airborne were lawn darts. :)
764 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:12:21am |
re: #751 Gang of One
No, I have not. Any links or should I just gugul it?
Google. I learned it when I was a teen.
765 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:12:36am |
re: #716 lawhawk
This is a sport? Quidditch is being played on college campuses (without the flying, magic, or Snape) by muggles.
Hey, I'm a fan of Harry Potter, but this is just nuts.
Its very athletic. The team does Kegels to perfect their broom handling technique while allowing the simultaneous use of both hands. /
766 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:12:37am |
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) - ARRA Recovery Plan
Objectives
Program Purpose
SNAP provides nutrition assistance benefits and nutrition education services to low-income individuals and families. The ARRA increases the maximum allotments of SNAP participants by 13.6 percent, eases eligibility requirements for childless adults without jobs, and provides additional funding to State agencies responsible for administering the program. The goals of SNAP are to reduce hunger and improve the health and well-being of low-income people and families.
Public Benefits
The SNAP ARRA objectives are:
1. Improve the food security of low-income households
2. Create and save jobs
3. Stimulate the economy
4. Stabilize the State agencies responsible for SNAP administration
767 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:12:46am |
768 | J.S. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:12:53am |
Interesting article at Rachel Ehrenfeld's Terror Finance Blog..about a company called Ptech. here.
769 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:12:56am |
re: #762 yma o hyd
Thats sweet!
Just be grateful he's not trying to lick your face ...
Thats what Madame tries to do every time I sneeze - which is so sweet of her, showing her concern, but not when I've got my laptop on my lap!
(And I wager she's a bit bigger than Winston ...!)
I have some dogs that really want to lick my face, but I know what else they lick and some of the things they put in their mouths.
770 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:14:04am |
re: #755 Kenneth
Thanks for the nod!
Now read this stunning result of Obama's Middle east policy:
Someone posted a link from jpost yesterday about FCBBHO telling Israel not to let Jews move into some apartments in Jerusalem. I'll look.
771 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:14:32am |
re: #736 MandyManners
Not just hateful but, RACIST as well.
According to Howard Dean, to even mention Obama & Rev Wright was clear racism. I heard him say that & thought , ok would it be racist to mention that Obama can not fly?
772 | J.S. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:14:40am |
re: #755 Kenneth
Obama has extremely low poll numbers in Israel.
773 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:15:00am |
re: #758 lincolntf
Usually when you say you can't bear something, that means you'll be linking to it all day long.
Don't let Hamgate consume you too much.
re: #756 Killgore Trout
Yup, that seems to be the established talking point. Instapundit is linking to something similar. How smart people can be so stupid is beyond me. It just makes me mad.
You know this blog is amazing. While other blogs are embarrassing themselves drooling over the Drudge million dollar ham story, the Lizards got the true facts in a few hours. Facts are neither right or left, they are just the facts.
774 | lawhawk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:15:29am |
re: #749 Killgore Trout
Yikes. The right wing blogoshpere in embarrassing itself really bad this morning. Between the Ham spending and smearing the soldier taken hostage I just can't bare to watch it this morning.
There are serious issues with both - the ham/porkfest that is the ARRA spending needs to be addressed, and the reporting of same by the media and Drudge is wanting. How exactly should someone take news that $2 million is spent on ham, when the only information provided by the recovery.gov website is 2 lbs ham. No further explanation provided in that listing.
Others are even more dubious, such as hundreds of thousands of dollars to replace a door.
I'm having a new front door installed on my house next week. It's not going to cost me nearly that much. In fact, it's several magnitudes less. Unless this is an armored door with special locks and equipment, I can't see how it would cost that much. Indeed, you could build a new house for that cost.
As to the soldier in Afghanistan, there are serious questions about the circumstances by which he came to be in the custody of the Taliban. The AP provides at least 3 different scenarios, and two provide blame for the incident on the soldier himself - either walking away from his unit (desertion), being drunk (stupidity), or falling behind from his unit (which is a responsibility of both his commanding officers and the soldier himself).
No one knows for sure which is the accurate story as to how he ended up in Taliban hands, but I hope that he remains safe.
As it is, his capture is a Taliban coup for propaganda purposes, and I hope that the military figures out where he's held and rescues him and deals the Taliban a fatal response for their actions.
776 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:15:48am |
re: #756 Killgore Trout
Yup, that seems to be the established talking point. Instapundit is linking to something similar. How smart people can be so stupid is beyond me. It just makes me mad.
What's the story with this ham?
777 | jaunte Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:16:20am |
The 2lb ham, sliced.
Tempest in a hampot. But wasn't recovery.gov supposed to be the way we could all track government spending? The real story is that there is not enough information provided at the site.
778 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:16:20am |
re: #767 MandyManners
I am powerful.
You surely are - thats why I thought you needed to know straightaway about the sun ... mind, its only watery, not proper with blue skies, but we're grateful even so!
:-)
779 | albusteve Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:16:58am |
Doorgate...
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]
780 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:17:19am |
re: #774 lawhawk
Could I get a link for the several 100K door ?
781 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:17:35am |
re: #744 avanti
Here's how some on the right are covering the ham contract:
That's just an idiotic statement.
"million dollar" ham.
It's not for one ham.
It is to provide "x" number of hams, until the contract value is reached; same thing for all of them.
And I would suspect those contracts are being used for:
USDA Emergency Food Assistance Program.
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) - ARRA Recovery Plan
We can argue or discuss the merits of these programs - but to say this is A million-dollar ham is missing the point, big-time.
783 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:18:24am |
re: #717 Kenneth
The Guardian fired him? Are you sure they didn't promote him?
It was a "trainee" named Dilpazier Aslam. He was fired, though, according to this blogger.
785 | Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:19:21am |
re: #776 Sharmuta
Drudge is linking to a story about a government contract to buy hams. The right wing blogs are spinning it to claim that the entire contract price is for a single 2 pound ham. It's just stupid.
786 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:19:39am |
re: #769 Kosh's Shadow
I have some dogs that really want to lick my face, but I know what else they lick and some of the things they put in their mouths.
Yeah - thats the drawback when dogs (as opposed to bitches) want to have a go ...
At least, Madame is 'clean' that way - and as for sticking things into her mouth: not while I'm watching her like a hawk!
(Only because I don't want to have to drag her to the vet all the time, you understand ...)
787 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:19:40am |
re: #770 MandyManners
Someone posted a link from jpost yesterday about FCBBHO telling Israel not to let Jews move into some apartments in Jerusalem. I'll look.
I was wrong. It's from AP. Your text to link...
Hat tip to MJ.
789 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:19:52am |
re: #781 reine.de.tout
We can argue or discuss the merits of these programs - but to say this is A million-dollar ham is missing the point, big-time.
Well it all depends what the other bloggers are smoking.
790 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:20:08am |
re: #780 avanti
You made a comment about how good LGF is, ha you get a link to something you want one post before you ask for it!
791 | Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:20:29am |
re: #785 Killgore Trout
So you're saying that the story is not kosher?
792 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:20:33am |
re: #771 opnion
According to Howard Dean, to even mention Obama & Rev Wright was clear racism. I heard him say that & thought , ok would it be racist to mention that Obama can not fly?
Remember the professors who said it was racist to call him a socialist? IIRC, they're from some university in Kansas.
793 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:20:45am |
re: #781 reine.de.tout
That's just an idiotic statement.
"million dollar" ham.
It's not for one ham.
It is to provide "x" number of hams, until the contract value is reached; same thing for all of them.And I would suspect those contracts are being used for:
USDA Emergency Food Assistance Program.
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) - ARRA Recovery Plan
We can argue or discuss the merits of these programs - but to say this is A million-dollar ham is missing the point, big-time.
The programs have merit- far too many might end up needing them before too long.
As for the faux-outrage... I grow really weary of this. We have better ways of making our points concerning spending without attacking food programs for the hungry.
794 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:21:11am |
re: #786 yma o hyd
Yeah - thats the drawback when dogs (as opposed to bitches) want to have a go ...
At least, Madame is 'clean' that way - and as for sticking things into her mouth: not while I'm watching her like a hawk!
(Only because I don't want to have to drag her to the vet all the time, you understand ...)
Our females are the worst. Apparently they have this instinct to clean up after puppies by eating poop.
795 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:21:32am |
re: #739 Cannadian Club Akbar
Ask about Trazedone. Works great and they give it to people in rehab, so probably safe.
Thanks CCA. Will look into that as well.
796 | jaunte Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:21:33am |
I have a feeling Glenn Reynolds is joking about the ham.
BEST HAM SANDWICH . . . EVAH! “Forget the Reagan-era $1000 hammers and toilets seats, and you can even forget Obama’s $100/lb Waygu beef. We have a new winner when it comes to Government waste, and it might even go to your waist…. The Obama-approved $595,000/lb Frozen Ham!!!” Surely this is some kind of a mistake. But at that price, it should at least come with Gulden’s. And a slice of artisan cheddar. . . [Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
797 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:21:39am |
re: #778 yma o hyd
You surely are - thats why I thought you needed to know straightaway about the sun ... mind, its only watery, not proper with blue skies, but we're grateful even so!
:-)
I have decided to call rain "liquid sunshine" so you'll always have sunshine.
798 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:21:40am |
re: #777 jaunte
The 2lb ham, sliced.
Tempest in a hampot. But wasn't recovery.gov supposed to be the way we could all track government spending? The real story is that there is not enough information provided at the site.
Ding Ding Ding.
Even the most ancient of purchasing/contracting systems has these little data elements called "Quantity" and "Unit Cost" that show up in almost every documented artifact.
Somehow the geniuses that put together recovery.gov omitted that.
So....my question is are they incompetent or just trying to obfuscate?
799 | jaunte Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:22:35am |
re: #798 Pianobuff
Obfuscation costs more; they're incompetent.
800 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:22:37am |
re: #784 Mad Al-Jaffee
So, the problem is "cured"?
OMG - don't start a pun thread! LOL.
I suspect this money would have been spent anyway.
These agencies have applied for this funding, and somebody there in charge of writing proposals has written this proposal up with a "recovery" angle (not hard to do for creative bureaucrats, I used to be one), and has received "recovery" funding.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is just part of their regular funding package, and someobody was directed to write a "recovery" angle.
Again, it's my opinion that the discussion should be - are these programs necessary at all? Not whether they have received "recovery" funds.
801 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:22:59am |
re: #791 Mad Al-Jaffee
So you're saying that the story is not kosher?
No, he's saying it's just spam.
803 | lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:23:15am |
re: #777 jaunte
The "2 lb" thing is a red herring. Must be a typo or something. The scandal is that there is absolutely no "stimulus" included in the "summary" that we've been given. Even a "projected results" thing in terms of jobs, foreclosures avoided, or whatever measures they so readily whip out when decrying the lack of money, would be helpful.
Most of us suspected that the Stimulus was simply a budget-busting money grab, but the sad fact that they don't even pay lip service to improving the economy anymore is depressing. They're just emptying the checkbook, with no thought for the future.
804 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:24:19am |
805 | Eowyn2 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:24:24am |
re: #760 reine.de.tout
USDA Emergency Food Assistance Program.
Program Purpose
there are no 'increased' people.
No jobs have been lost
Everyone is living on rainbows
806 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:24:37am |
re: #794 Kosh's Shadow
Our females are the worst. Apparently they have this instinct to clean up after puppies by eating poop.
We once found our youngest daughter (at the age of two) has stripped her poopie diaper off and was having the Lhasa Apso clean her bottom. It was viewed with quite the mixture of pride, amusement and revulsion.
807 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:24:41am |
re: #803 lincolntf
The "2 lb" thing is a red herring. Must be a typo or something. The scandal is that there is absolutely no "stimulus" included in the "summary" that we've been given. Even a "projected results" thing in terms of jobs, foreclosures avoided, or whatever measures they so readily whip out when decrying the lack of money, would be helpful.
Most of us suspected that the Stimulus was simply a budget-busting money grab, but the sad fact that they don't even pay lip service to improving the economy anymore is depressing. They're just emptying the checkbook, with no thought for the future.
Linc- the "stimulus" or "recovery" angle is in documents like this
808 | Creeping Eruption Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:24:45am |
re: #758 lincolntf
Usually when you say you can't bear something, that means you'll be linking to it all day long.
Don't let Hamgate consume you too much.
Hamgate? Look out, CAIR will have a press briefing at he White House about the offensive nature of monikers official Washington investigations attract.
809 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:25:14am |
re: #794 Kosh's Shadow
Our females are the worst. Apparently they have this instinct to clean up after puppies by eating poop.
Thats news to me.
I was told it shows a deficit in their digestive system, so that they eat poop to have a second chance at getting all the nutrients out.
Best way of stopping them from doing it is to sick some pineapple chunks into their food - probably better even to stick it into the food of all your dogs: that will cure it.
810 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:25:56am |
re: #809 yma o hyd
Gah!
PIMF -
that was meant to be 'stick' some pineapple ...
811 | Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:26:18am |
Obama also sought to make an impression on the Arab world. Taking an unyielding, principled stand would, he reasoned, restore the credibility of the United States. ... Strike a powerful note on the settlement issue, they told the President, and the Arabs will gravitate toward you in response.Neither the Israelis nor the Arabs, however, have reacted according to this script. Netanyahu fought back with unexpected subtlety. ...Netanyahu was certainly shaken by this power play, but hardly coerced. In a step that the White House did not foresee, he quickly ran to capture the moral high ground in Israeli politics.
The White House has sacrificed some credibility on the Israeli side, but it surely must have recouped its losses by garnering Arab goodwill. Think again... Quite understandably, the Saudis much prefer to occupy the politically safe position of Arab umpire: they sit on the sidelines and critique the Americans. They quietly help out here and there to keep the game from falling apart, but they don’t want to be players.
Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, and the United Arab Emirates are today focused on one key question: Is Washington going to go the distance with the Iranians, and thwart their nuclear program? Obama’s Cairo speech did not provide an answer.
...The American engine is revving loudly, but the administration cannot put the car in gear, because significant obstacles block the way. President Obama will soon realize, if he hasn’t already, that the map that his advisers handed him does not match the terrain of the region.
Obama has committed a strategic blunder by making settlements the centerpiece of his new Israeli-Palestinian position. For Israel, the settlements are a demographic necessity and cannot stop them. No Arab state will want to be seen not supporting a call to end settlements, but it is insufficient an issue to motivate any deep support for a real peace plan. This is because for the Arabs, the settlements issue is a tactic, not the end goal in itself.
Meanwhile, Iran, through their Hamas & Hezbollah proxies, can exploit Fatah's ineffectiveness on this issue to further weaken their regional rivals. Meanwhile Obama's vagueness on Iran inspires no confidence in the Arab world that the US is prepared to deal with the one issue the Arab regimes truly are worried about: Iran's nuclear program.
812 | Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:26:23am |
re: #788 lawhawk
That appears to be part of infrastructure work for some aerospace/missile facility. I don't think a home depot door would be sufficient. I assume they're building a air lock or something similar to keep dust out.
813 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:26:37am |
re: #807 reine.de.tout
Linc- the "stimulus" or "recovery" angle is in documents like this
OK, I messed taht up.
The "stimulus" or "recovery" angles are in documents like this one, not in the contract information.
The document I linked to says:
Public Benefits
The SNAP ARRA objectives are:
1. Improve the food security of low-income households
2. Create and save jobs
3. Stimulate the economy
4. Stabilize the State agencies responsible for SNAP administrationThe increase in SNAP benefits enabled by the ARRA helps low-income households better meet their nutritional needs and creates and saves jobs, an estimated 100,000 new or retained jobs the first two years after implementation. Enabling all States to suspend the time limits on participation by jobless adults recognizes needs for food assistance and the difficulty of finding work in this economy. SNAP benefits are spent very quickly; 97 percent are redeemed within 30 days of issuance. SNAP benefits have a stimulus effect that directly impacts communities; every $1 in additional SNAP benefits generates $1.84 in total economic activity. The estimated $20 billion of increased SNAP benefits over the next five years would create and estimated $36.8 billion in economic activity.
In light of the increased demand for services and strained State budgets, the increased ARRA funding to State agencies that administer the SNAP program enables State governments to avoid reductions in services and to meet the increasing demand from low-income families and individuals resulting from the recession. FNS anticipates the majority of these funds to be spent to support staff costs related to determining eligibility and benefit amounts for those applying for SNAP or renewing their SNAP benefits. Applications and caseload levels are at historically high levels, and many States must hire new workers and pay overtime to existing workers to meet this demand.
In addition to the administrative funds used by the States, FNS has proposed to use $4.5 million to support monitoring efforts and to measure the effectiveness of SNAP benefits on reducing food security and hunger. FNS will institute a National Survey of New SNAP Entrants, a short questionnaire based on USDA’s food security module which will be administered to a representative sample of participants at the time of program entry. A follow-up survey of the same group would occur after a short time on the program. This approach would compare the level of food security in low-income households before and after their entrance into SNAP. The effectiveness of SNAP should be reflected in an increase in food security during the intervening months.
814 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:26:56am |
re: #785 Killgore Trout
Drudge is linking to a story about a government contract to buy hams. The right wing blogs are spinning it to claim that the entire contract price is for a single 2 pound ham. It's just stupid.
Fact checking is dead.
815 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:27:17am |
re: #797 MandyManners
I have decided to call rain "liquid sunshine" so you'll always have sunshine.
Awww ...
Thanks!
I'll see how it'll cheer me up tomorrow, when the enxt lot of rain comes drenching in ...
816 | KansasMom Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:27:19am |
re: #792 MandyManners
Remember the professors who said it was racist to call him a socialist? IIRC, they're from some university in Kansas.
Hmmm, doesn't ring a bell. Would be interested if you could track down a link, though.
817 | Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:27:26am |
re: #804 Pianobuff
This discussion is making my eyes glaze....
Starting a pun thread may have been a mis-steak.
818 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:27:26am |
819 | Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:27:27am |
re: #798 Pianobuff
Ding Ding Ding.
Even the most ancient of purchasing/contracting systems has these little data elements called "Quantity" and "Unit Cost" that show up in almost every documented artifact.
Somehow the geniuses that put together recovery.gov omitted that.
So....my question is are they incompetent or just trying to obfuscate?
90-99% of the time, simple incompetency is the best and simplist explanation. After all, this is the federal government we're talking about. They're not known for competency.
820 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:27:42am |
re: #804 Pianobuff
This discussion is making my eyes glaze....
Maybe you just got too much smoked in them.
821 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:28:33am |
Democrats' New Worry: Their Own Rich Voters
A group of Democrats elected in recent years from some of the country's richest congressional districts have emerged as a stumbling block to raising taxes on the wealthy to pay for President Barack Obama's ambitious health-care overhaul just as the plan has begun to meet increasing resistance over its cost.Friday, two freshmen representatives -- Dina Titus, from suburban Las Vegas, and Colorado's Jared Polis, representing Boulder, Vail and some of the tonier suburbs of Denver -- joined Republicans to vote against Mr. Obama's top-priority health-care overhaul when it faced a vote in their House Education and Labor Committee. One reason was a one-percentage point-surtax on couples earning between $350,000 and $500,000 -- gradually increasing to 5.4 percentage points on earnings more than $1 million -- to pay for it. ...
Should be interesting.
823 | Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:28:40am |
re: #772 J.S.
Yes. What is interesting is that he did have surprisingly good support in Israel before the US election. Something he did has made his numbers plummet. Eventually, that new pessimism will have to spread back to the US Jewish community.
825 | Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:29:07am |
826 | Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:29:20am |
827 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:29:20am |
re: #749 Killgore Trout
Yikes. The right wing blogoshpere in embarrassing itself really bad this morning. Between the Ham spending and smearing the soldier taken hostage I just can't bare to watch it this morning.
Its like watching a train wreck in slow motion. It causes me incredible pain.
828 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:29:30am |
re: #788 lawhawk
[Link: www.recovery.gov...]
If a Lizard wants to track that down, I suspect you'll find a hanger door at the AFB, not a bedroom door for example.
829 | VegasRick Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:29:32am |
re: #822 taxfreekiller
Fact:
Nancy Pelosi is the leader of the Democrat Party in the U.S. Congress.
Nancy Pelosi is bat shit crazy.
I fact checked that and you are correct.
830 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:29:52am |
re: #798 Pianobuff
Ding Ding Ding.
Even the most ancient of purchasing/contracting systems has these little data elements called "Quantity" and "Unit Cost" that show up in almost every documented artifact.
Somehow the geniuses that put together recovery.gov omitted that.
So....my question is are they incompetent or just trying to obfuscate?
Incompetent... sort of. It is very hard to get individual agencies and government entities to get a handle on and report even the most basic information. They aren't equipped to be accountable.
831 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:30:02am |
re: #815 yma o hyd
Awww ...
Thanks!
I'll see how it'll cheer me up tomorrow, when the enxt lot ofrainliquid sunshine comesdrenching inbeaming down ...
832 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:30:13am |
re: #806 DaddyG
We once found our youngest daughter (at the age of two) has stripped her poopie diaper off and was having the Lhasa Apso clean her bottom. It was viewed with quite the mixture of pride, amusement and revulsion.
OMG!
That must have been a sight to behold! Just the image had me LOL!
Clever youngest daughter, though - good observation skills at such a young age.
833 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:30:38am |
834 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:30:53am |
re: #816 KansasMom
Hmmm, doesn't ring a bell. Would be interested if you could track down a link, though.
I've looked but out of my approx. 350 links to FCBBHO, that's not one.
835 | Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:31:28am |
re: #785 Killgore Trout
Drudge is linking to a story about a government contract to buy hams. The right wing blogs are spinning it to claim that the entire contract price is for a single 2 pound ham. It's just stupid.
It is stupid. Odds are, it's for about 200,000 to 250,000 two pound hams (if they're decent quality hams, maybe more if lower quality). Someone just forgot to put down the quantity of the two pound hams.
836 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:31:30am |
re: #821 J.D.
Democrats' New Worry: Their Own Rich Voters
Should be interesting.
re: #822 taxfreekiller
Fact:
Nancy Pelosi is the leader of the Democrat Party in the U.S. Congress.
Nancy Pelosi is bat shit crazy.
TFK, would you be so kind to post the site you so times link to that helps people put pressure on their Congresscritters. Any Dems that can be shifted away from Pelosi and thus hand her bill a defeat would be most welcome.
837 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:31:34am |
838 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:31:43am |
re: #756 Killgore Trout
Yup, that seems to be the established talking point. Instapundit is linking to something similar. How smart people can be so stupid is beyond me. It just makes me mad.
Yea, that makes me wonder too? How can people be so stupid to make a complaint about this when it's evidently a very stupid funding given away by the government. How can people be so stupid that they even noticed this "pork" (pun intended). How could people be so stupid to bring this to the attention of a populace who have, over the last 6 months, been signed up to be taxed away and give their sons and daughters a legacy of a tax burden that can only amount to socialism.
Yes, Killgore, how stupid.
839 | jaunte Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:32:17am |
re: #813 reine.de.tout
From your link:
every $1 in additional SNAP benefits generates $1.84 in total economic activity. The estimated $20 billion of increased SNAP benefits over the next five years would create and estimated $36.8 billion in economic activity.
How is this calculated?
841 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:32:59am |
re: #833 reine.de.tout
yeah I say that, thanks. I think you are right about that money would have been spent outside the recovery act, some recovery huh?
842 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:33:05am |
re: #822 taxfreekiller
Fact:
Nancy Pelosi is the leader of the Democrat Party in the U.S. Congress.
Nancy Pelosi is bat shit crazy.
John Kerry would not agree, Nancy Pelosi is just super ion his opinion.
843 | FrogMarch Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:33:08am |
re: #774 lawhawk
It all reminds me of this. The private sector can always accomplish things for a lot less money. The government has no incentive to be accountable or thrifty. Which is of course is why Obama's health care plan and his BS promises that the government option will increase competition in the marketplace is just that - total BULLSHIT.
844 | lawhawk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:33:09am |
re: #812 Killgore Trout
That's a possibility, but without further description, you can't tell what the frak it's for.
Someone else has done the job of figuring out the door costs, and it turns out that they're hangar doors for where B-1 and C-130s are housed. Problem is that the DoD documents that call for the hangar door work show only $246,000, while the Recovery.gov site shows costs being far higher - $1 million plus, which suggests added items - no word of which appears on the recovery.gov website.
The biggest problem with figuring out where the money is going is incomplete explanations on costs. That is the single biggest failing, and without appropriate explanations, you get what we're seeing today, courtesy of Drudge.
846 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:33:22am |
re: #797 MandyManners
I have decided to call rain "liquid sunshine" so you'll always have sunshine.
Why does "liquid sunshine" sound like a very powerful hallucinogen?
848 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:34:33am |
re: #822 taxfreekiller
Fact:
Nancy Pelosi is the leader of the Democrat Party in the U.S. Congress.
Nancy Pelosi is bat shit crazy.
Incorrect.
That is not a fact.
That is two facts.
849 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:34:40am |
re: #806 DaddyG
OMG TMI DG. I would have found that very hard to watch, yuck.
850 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:34:50am |
re: #797 MandyManners
I have decided to call rain "liquid sunshine" so you'll always have sunshine.
I hate it when people rewrite the dictionary.....
851 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:34:55am |
re: #846 Gang of One
Why does "liquid sunshine" sound like a very powerful hallucinogen?
It is nothing compared to Hopium. Seems to make its users outright crazy.
852 | lawhawk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:35:01am |
re: #845 avanti
It's solved, but there's a discrepancy between the DoD cost for the doors, and the recovery.gov cost. $1 million or so. What's the rest of the money for? Additional hangar doors? Replacement instead of repair? No word.
Without the additional information, you don't have accountability.
853 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:35:06am |
854 | reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:35:09am |
re: #839 jaunte
From your link:
How is this calculated?
Hell if I know.
Magical calculations?
Excellent question, though.
I was just trying to find the "recovery" or "stimulus" angle to those ham contracts, since it wasn't in the contract information.
I said upthread I think that at least some of this is money that would have been spent anyway, for these programs, and somebody at the agency was directed to write up a "stimulus" or "recovery" angle for the funding.
855 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:35:32am |
re: #846 Gang of One
Why does "liquid sunshine" sound like a very powerful hallucinogen?
When one considers that many people still believe that the sun comes shining out of FCBBHO's ass, I think I'll pass on that hallucinogen.
856 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:35:49am |
re: #844 lawhawk
That's a possibility, but without further description, you can't tell what the frak it's for.
Someone else has done the job of figuring out the door costs, and it turns out that they're hangar doors for where B-1 and C-130s are housed. Problem is that the DoD documents that call for the hangar door work show only $246,000, while the Recovery.gov site shows costs being far higher - $1 million plus, which suggests added items - no word of which appears on the recovery.gov website.
The biggest problem with figuring out where the money is going is incomplete explanations on costs. That is the single biggest failing, and without appropriate explanations, you get what we're seeing today, courtesy of Drudge.
It's possible that the overspending is really to shift money to programs that the Air Force can't publicly disclose, they do that sometimes.
857 | Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:35:56am |
re: #846 Gang of One
Why does "liquid sunshine" sound like a very powerful hallucinogen?
I always assumed the term referred to a certain nuclear event.
858 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:36:03am |
re: #832 yma o hyd
OMG!
That must have been a sight to behold! Just the image had me LOL!
Clever youngest daughter, though - good observation skills at such a young age.
Yup! She was holding her ankles and the dog go to work on the poop. At that age intelligence is a two edged sword.
859 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:36:08am |
re: #844 lawhawk
Beat me to "doorgate" it by 12 seconds. This fact checking is hard work :)
860 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:36:19am |
re: #852 lawhawk
It's solved, but there's a discrepancy between the DoD cost for the doors, and the recovery.gov cost. $1 million or so. What's the rest of the money for? Additional hangar doors? Replacement instead of repair? No word.
Without the additional information, you don't have accountability.
Once they figure a way to hide union payoffs you'll get your accountability.
861 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:36:21am |
862 | opnion Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:36:58am |
re: #792 MandyManners
Remember the professors who said it was racist to call him a socialist? IIRC, they're from some university in Kansas.
There is no doubt that there were people demanding preferntial treatment for Obama during the campaign.
The Republicans did not interject race, it was always Obama & his supporters.
864 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:37:32am |
re: #839 jaunte
You posted a link yesterday to a story in jpost about FCBBHO trying to tell Israel not to let Jews move into certain apartments in Jerusalem. I cannot find the link. Do you still have it?
865 | jaunte Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:37:51am |
re: #854 reine.de.tout
That's the magical part of this that I don't understand. Generating $1.85 of economic activity by spending $1.00 of tax money sounds like a formula for a perpetual motion machine. We can all sit back and let the government generate money for us.
866 | Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:38:04am |
re: #847 Sharmuta
I'm waiting for Gategate.
I'm so sick of seeing the term "-gate" added to every freaking scandal since the Watergate Hotel break in. Shows how original the press is (not!).
867 | Macker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:38:09am |
re: #835 Honorary Yooper
It is stupid. Odds are, it's for about 200,000 to 250,000 two pound hams (if they're decent quality hams, maybe more if lower quality). Someone just forgot to put down the quantity of the two pound hams.
It is also stupid of Drudge to link to it without doing the math first.
868 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:38:14am |
re: #849 turn
OMG TMI DG. I would have found that very hard to watch, yuck.
Well, we did finish the job ourselves once we saw what was happening.
(With wet wipes)
869 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:38:24am |
re: #856 Dark_Falcon
It's possible that the overspending is really to shift money to programs that the Air Force can't publicly disclose, they do that sometimes.
Maybe a door bell for the B1 bomber hanger. :)
870 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:38:35am |
re: #865 jaunte
That's the magical part of this that I don't understand. Generating $1.85 of economic activity by spending $1.00 of tax money sounds like a formula for a perpetual motion machine. We can all sit back and let the government generate money for us.
The downside is that the $1.85 you receive will only be worth $0.46
871 | Macker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:38:46am |
re: #846 Gang of One
Why does "liquid sunshine" sound like a very powerful hallucinogen?
At least it's not bottled.
872 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:39:10am |
re: #863 taxfreekiller
Come on now, give the Democrats a break, they gave us Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, let alone Michael Dukakis, Walter Mondale, LBJ and the Kennedy's.////////////
873 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:39:16am |
re: #850 BlueCanuck
I hate it when people rewrite the dictionary.....
I hate to dispense liquid sunshine on your parade.
874 | Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:39:17am |
re: #865 jaunte
That's the magical part of this that I don't understand. Generating $1.85 of economic activity by spending $1.00 of tax money sounds like a formula for a perpetual motion machine. We can all sit back and let the government generate money for us.
Heck, that leads to everyone having "shares" in government, and we all get very excited about our returns.
I wonder if that would be a good selling point for the Dems? Or is it too "capitalist" in its sound?
875 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:40:04am |
re: #839 jaunte
From your link:
How is this calculated?
Probably using the same computer models that forecasts global warming climate change.
876 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:40:56am |
re: #851 soxfan4life
It is nothing compared to Hopium. Seems to make its users outright crazy.
Like Changitol, a very powerful, very addictive drug.
877 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:40:58am |
re: #867 Macker
It is also stupid of Drudge to link to it without doing the math first.
Not just the math, a few minutes of fact checking would tell them they don't have much of a headline. Drudge surly has the resources of the Lizards on LGF.
878 | Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:41:02am |
The $351,807 FOR 'REPLACE AND UPGRADE THE DUMBWAITER'... appears to be for a VA facility. Probably to deliver meals to wounded soldiers and veterans. Anyone object?
879 | jaunte Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:41:05am |
re: #874 Dianna
I suppose 'economic activity' is too vague a term to actually be defined as 'revenue.'
881 | Lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:41:43am |
882 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:41:48am |
re: #866 Honorary Yooper
I'm so sick of seeing the term "-gate" added to every freaking scandal since the Watergate Hotel break in. Shows how original the press is (not!).
It's another way to remind everyone of a Republican scandal regardless of which party is involved in the current scandal-du-jour.
If the latest -gate is a Democrat, then linking it to Nixon says "See? Both parties are corrupt. Don't place undue blame on this particular lawbreaker or the Democrat party when 'everyone is doing it'."
If the latest -gate is a Republican, then linking it to Nixon says, "See? Republicans are historically the party of corruption! They have a whole history and culture of lawbreaking! Throw the book at the bastard, and don't trust any of the other Republicans, either!"
Someone one suggested appending "-quiddick" to all Democratic scandals.
883 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:41:52am |
re: #878 Killgore Trout
well..for 350 thousand bucks hire people to run them up the stairs
884 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:42:07am |
re: #858 DaddyG
Yup! She was holding her ankles and the dog go to work on the poop. At that age intelligence is a two edged sword.
One thing is for sure - she won't have got a nappy rash!
I recall a story by Konrad Lorenz, the animal behavioursit, who wrote that his children, when little, were alway together with his dogs - and the dogs used to lick their scraped knees and other cuts which children do collect.
No infections, ever - and no sticking palsters needed either.
885 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:42:29am |
re: #873 MandyManners
I hate to dispense liquid sunshine on your parade.
Ah, Obama's economic management will cause us all to be showered with gold...
886 | Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:42:40am |
re: #866 Honorary Yooper
I'm so sick of seeing the term "-gate" added to every freaking scandal since the Watergate Hotel break in. Shows how original the press is (not!).
I keep wondering if there is a scandal involving the actual Watergate comples, will they call it "watergate-gate" or "gate-gate"?
887 | Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:42:52am |
re: #878 Killgore Trout
The $351,807 FOR 'REPLACE AND UPGRADE THE DUMBWAITER'... appears to be for a VA facility. Probably to deliver meals to wounded soldiers and veterans. Anyone object?
Dumbwaiters are hard to maintain? I just wonder about what they mean by "replace and upgrade".
888 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:43:01am |
re: #878 Killgore Trout
The $351,807 FOR 'REPLACE AND UPGRADE THE DUMBWAITER'... appears to be for a VA facility. Probably to deliver meals to wounded soldiers and veterans. Anyone object?
Yes, I object to your assuming what the purpose for the dumbwaiter is for, with out having any absolute knowledge.
Anyone object?
889 | Macker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:43:04am |
re: #885 JamesTKirk
Ah, Obama's economic management will cause us all to be showered with
goldshit...
There, fixed that for ya!
890 | aggieann Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:43:55am |
re: #873 MandyManners
I hate to dispense liquid sunshine on your parade.
Does liquid sunshine make sea kittens even wetter?
892 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:44:09am |
re: #873 MandyManners
I hate to dispense liquid sunshine on your parade.
ummmm, [deleted]
/mind is working in strange ways this morning.
893 | justabill Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:44:19am |
re: #863 taxfreekiller
Fact:
John F. Kerry is a leader of the Democrat Party.
John F. Kerry lied under oath before the U.S. Senate.
John F. Kerry lied with his own hand in written reports to gain awards and citations in a combat zone in order to get early rotation from said combat zone.
John F. Kerry aided and gave comfort to the VC/NVA while still in the U.S. Navy Reserve.John F. Kerry ran for President of the U.S.A. as a Democrat and almost won due to the fact Democrats by and large do not fact check and will vote for the likes of Kerry and now even worse no fact checking, and
Obama.
Your assumption is that the average democrat voter both cares about the issue and wanted the US to win in Vietnam. I don't believe this to be true for most democrat voters.
894 | Macker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:44:28am |
re: #891 quiet man
Alright, where's buzzsaw and his Burma Shave ditties?
895 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:44:33am |
re: #866 Honorary Yooper
I'm so sick of seeing the term "-gate" added to every freaking scandal since the Watergate Hotel break in. Shows how original the press is (not!).
I think we should start a trend by adding "quidick" to every Democrat phuque up.
/Happy anniversary to Ted the Swimmer.
896 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:44:43am |
re: #889 Macker
There, fixed that for ya!
The "golden shower" reference wasn't obscene enough for you?
897 | Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:45:06am |
re: #887 Dianna
There are all kinds of structural and electrical considerations. If it's a 10 story hospital it's not an outrageous expense.
898 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:45:08am |
Looks like the Obama administration doesn't want HamGate to hog the news-cycle........
Dept. of Agriculture Response to the Drudge
"Through the Recovery Act, the U.S. Department of Agriculture has made $100 million available to the states for The Emergency Food Assistance Program (TEFAP), which acquires food that is distributed to local organizations that assist the needy – including food banks, food pantries, and soup kitchens.
The Recovery Act funds referenced in press reports allowed states to purchase ham, cheese and dairy products for these food banks, soup kitchens and food pantries that provide assistance to people who otherwise do not have access to food. This program will help reduce hunger of those hardest hit by the current economic recession.
The references to "2 pound frozen ham sliced" are to the sizes of the packaging. Press reports suggesting that the Recovery Act spent $1.191 million to buy "2 pounds of ham" are wrong. In fact, the contract in question purchased 760,000 pounds of ham for $1.191m, at a cost of approximately $1.50 per pound. In terms of the dairy purchase referenced, USDA's Farm Service Agency (FSA) purchased 837,936 pounds of mozzarella cheese and 4,039,200 pounds of processed cheese.
While the principal purpose of these expenditures is to provide food to those hardest hit by these tough times, the purchases also provide a modest economic benefit of benefiting Americans working at food retailers, manufacturers and transportation companies as well as the farmers and ranchers who produce our food supply."
899 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:45:18am |
re: #896 JamesTKirk
None of this "my kink is better than your kink" crap, okay??
900 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:45:27am |
re: #885 JamesTKirk
Ah, Obama's economic management will cause us all to be showered with gold...
Ew.
902 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:45:39am |
re: #895 Gang of One
I think we should start a trend by adding "quidick" to every Democrat phuque up.
/Happy anniversary to Ted the Swimmer.
See #882. I forget who made that suggestion initially, but it was many, many years ago.
903 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:45:54am |
re: #885 JamesTKirk
Ah, Obama's economic management will cause us all to be showered with gold...
Yeah, and he'll dispense that gold during a parade led by prancing unicorns that fart rainbows.
/puke
904 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:46:09am |
905 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:46:10am |
You miss the point of the $1000000 ham story. Drudge isn't publishing an accounting and finance periodical he is in the business of getting web hits for linked stories.
This symbolic and inflammatory headline doesn't "embarrass conservative bloggers" any more than the symbolic hope 'n change crisis embarrasses the white house and Democratic administration.
In fact the Republicans need to continue to find rallying points (even sensational ones) for fiscal conservatism if they are going to put up a good counter to the continued stream of "useful crisis" the Dems are serving up.
906 | albusteve Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:46:33am |
re: #897 Killgore Trout
There are all kinds of structural and electrical considerations. If it's a 10 story hospital it's not an outrageous expense.
I call Dumbwaitergate
907 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:46:36am |
re: #882 JamesTKirk
It's another way to remind everyone of a Republican scandal regardless of which party is involved in the current scandal-du-jour.
If the latest -gate is a Democrat, then linking it to Nixon says "See? Both parties are corrupt. Don't place undue blame on this particular lawbreaker or the Democrat party when 'everyone is doing it'."
If the latest -gate is a Republican, then linking it to Nixon says, "See? Republicans are historically the party of corruption! They have a whole history and culture of lawbreaking! Throw the book at the bastard, and don't trust any of the other Republicans, either!"
Someone one suggested appending "-quiddick" to all Democratic scandals.
I'm sure after the Kenn Starr investigation and the Impeachment proceedings Clinton would have liked to give Monica the MaryJo treatment
908 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:46:42am |
re: #892 BlueCanuck
ummmm, [deleted]
/mind is working in strange ways this morning.
So's my connection here.
909 | Macker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:46:54am |
re: #902 JamesTKirk
I've begun to refer to the Senior Senator from Taxatwoshits as "Lord Chap of Quiddick".
910 | Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:47:22am |
re: #898 Pianobuff
Actually, that's not a bad price for sliced ham, $1.50/lb.
911 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:47:25am |
re: #899 quiet man
None of this "my kink is better than your kink" crap, okay??
At least my kink is green.
Is sex with green women better for the environment than with regular Earth women?
912 | Lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:47:32am |
re: #883 quiet man
It's the old bait-and-switch. They gave themselves hundreds of billions of dollars to "save" the economy and are using all the money for over-priced, impractical or just plain politically useful projects. Wounded soldiers need their food, yes. Does a 350 thousand dollar repair for a dumbwaiter (provided that's what it's for) accomplish that and build our economy? At the risk of being overly literal, I would support hiring an out of work Vet to do the job of the dumbwaiter.
913 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:47:47am |
re: #907 soxfan4life
Clinton would have wanted to give the monica treatment to Mary jo....
914 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:47:49am |
re: #882 JamesTKirk
Someone one suggested appending "-quiddick" to all Democratic scandals.
You beat me to it, Captain.
915 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:48:12am |
Well, I'm all for hiring the disabled. Who cares if those waiters cannot talk?
916 | Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:48:30am |
re: #878 Killgore Trout
The $351,807 FOR 'REPLACE AND UPGRADE THE DUMBWAITER'... appears to be for a VA facility. Probably to deliver meals to wounded soldiers and veterans. Anyone object?
Sounds a bit pricey for one dumbwaiter, but if it is multiple ones, I can see that.
917 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:48:39am |
re: #907 soxfan4life
I'm sure after the Kenn Starr investigation and the Impeachment proceedings Clinton would have liked to give Monica the MaryJo treatment
Perhaps had he "splashed" her less, rather than more, he wouldn't have been in so much trouble.
918 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:48:39am |
re: #915 MandyManners
Well, I'm all for hiring the disabled. Who cares if those waiters cannot talk?
If only our VP couldn't talk.
919 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:48:44am |
re: #911 JamesTKirk
If you can do it without releasing gasses into the atmosphere, yes.
920 | VegasRick Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:48:47am |
re: #897 Killgore Trout
There are all kinds of structural and electrical considerations. If it's a 10 story hospital it's not an outrageous expense.
Why the guessing? Why not just give the details for all to see. Maybe it's a dumbwaiter to the moon!
921 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:48:48am |
re: #898 Pianobuff
Reine is probably right, the money was stuck into the "recovery" budget but wont do squat ...
"While the principal purpose of these expenditures is to provide food to those hardest hit by these tough times, the purchases also provide a modest economic benefit of benefiting Americans working at food retailers, manufacturers and transportation companies as well as the farmers and ranchers who produce our food supply."
922 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:48:53am |
re: #898 Pianobuff
Works for me. I think that Drudge was just trying to mount a sensational headline to get traffic on his site. Even Glen Beck won't use this story, the refutation is too through and it makes too much sense. That ordinarily wouldn't stop Beck, but even he is not stupid enough to push a story that has already been disproved.
923 | Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:48:57am |
Israel had the first successful test of its Iron Dome anti-rocket system on July 15th. The system detected and shot down several BM-21 rockets. The Israelis expect to have the system in action, along the Gaza border, later this year.
924 | Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:49:05am |
Here's the VA hospital in Brooklyn that is getting a new dumbwaiter to deliver meals to veterans and wounded soldiers.
926 | Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:49:23am |
re: #915 MandyManners
Well, I'm all for hiring the disabled. Who cares if those waiters cannot talk?
That reminds me of the old Emily Litella editorial on SNL about the "deaf penalty."
927 | jaunte Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:50:10am |
re: #864 MandyManners
You posted a link yesterday to a story in jpost about FCBBHO trying to tell Israel not to let Jews move into certain apartments in Jerusalem. I cannot find the link. Do you still have it?
Mandy, sorry for the delay in replying, I had to go and pay attention to work for a minute. I'll see if I can find the link.
928 | justabill Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:50:26am |
re: #878 Killgore Trout
The $351,807 FOR 'REPLACE AND UPGRADE THE DUMBWAITER'... appears to be for a VA facility. Probably to deliver meals to wounded soldiers and veterans. Anyone object?
So is it now a Smart Waiter?
929 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:51:05am |
re: #928 justabill
Yes..it has gone past the tipping point
930 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:51:06am |
re: #909 Macker
I've begun to refer to the Senior Senator from Taxatwoshits as "Lord Chap of Quiddick".
LMAO! Favorited and updinged.
931 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:51:08am |
932 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:51:16am |
re: #922 Dark_Falcon
Works for me. I think that Drudge was just trying to mount a sensational headline to get traffic on his site. Even Glen Beck won't use this story, the refutation is too through and it makes too much sense. That ordinarily wouldn't stop Beck, but even he is not stupid enough to push a story that has already been disproved.
I'm hoping it gets someone to look at the setup of recovery.org to provide more clarity in their documentation. Having people go to that site and even research is a good thing IMO and low-quality information makes that difficult. (even if it means good things for Drudge)
933 | Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:51:24am |
re: #897 Killgore Trout
There are all kinds of structural and electrical considerations. If it's a 10 story hospital it's not an outrageous expense.
I have presently on my desk at least three proposals for full-service elevators. I don't have time to run through the financials (assuming they're posted) for the dumbwaiter. But I will say, that, if the shaft already exists, unless there are current and serious structural issues, I think the cost is a bit high. About $130,000 high. A dumbwaiter doesn't require the safety measures of a full-service elevator.
934 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:51:40am |
re: #898 Pianobuff
Looks like the Obama administration doesn't want HamGate to hog the news-cycle........
Dept. of Agriculture Response to the Drudge
Shoot, they could have waited a few days to clear that up and see how far the spin would go. In a way, recovery.gov is working. Drudge cherry picked a few budget items, some on the right questioned them, and the government responded. At least LGF did it's homework, unlike the droolers.
935 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:52:00am |
re: #933 Dianna
I have presently on my desk at least three proposals for full-service elevators. I don't have time to run through the financials (assuming they're posted) for the dumbwaiter. But I will say, that, if the shaft already exists, unless there are current and serious structural issues, I think the cost is a bit high. About $130,000 high. A dumbwaiter doesn't require the safety measures of a full-service elevator.
Don't let facts get in the way of a good spin.
936 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:52:11am |
937 | Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:52:13am |
The U.S. Marine advance into Helmand province is being slowed down by the new Rules Of Engagement (ROE), which forbid the use of bombs or missiles in any situation where there might be civilians. The Taliban will typically spend the night, or longer, in a village or walled compound, and that's where U.S. troops will typically trap them. But bombs and missiles cannot be used on these places, so U.S. troops have to besiege the place, or just move on, leaving the Taliban alone....The other option, when you have the Taliban cornered, and using human shields, is to go in and fight them room-to-room. That gets more Americans killed, as well as putting the Afghan civilians in danger.
938 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:52:13am |
re: #923 Kenneth
Very good news. It'll save lives and leave those Hamas assholes impotent in terror.
939 | BlueCanuck Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:52:35am |
re: #912 Lincolntf
Actually that cost to fix and/or replace the dumb waiter isn't that bad. I know that private company contractors do charge an arm and a leg. For example rekeying an entire complex costs over 100K. Elevator style work is even more expensive.
940 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:53:02am |
re: #934 avanti
Shoot, they could have waited a few days to clear that up and see how far the spin would go. In a way, recovery.gov is working. Drudge cherry picked a few budget items, some on the right questioned them, and the government responded. At least LGF did it's homework, unlike the droolers.
Hopefully this will also be a kick in the ass for the White House to upgrade their public information store to the 20th, if not the 21st century.
941 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:54:01am |
942 | Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:54:43am |
re: #912 Lincolntf
It's the old bait-and-switch. They gave themselves hundreds of billions of dollars to "save" the economy and are using all the money for over-priced, impractical or just plain politically useful projects. Wounded soldiers need their food, yes. Does a 350 thousand dollar repair for a dumbwaiter (provided that's what it's for) accomplish that and build our economy? At the risk of being overly literal, I would support hiring an out of work Vet to do the job of the dumbwaiter.
Really, while that sounds great, it's not practical in a 10-story hospital. I have some problems with the price tag, but not with the concept that the dumbwaiter needs work.
943 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:54:49am |
944 | Creeping Eruption Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:54:51am |
re: #866 Honorary Yooper
I'm so sick of seeing the term "-gate" added to every freaking scandal since the Watergate Hotel break in. Shows how original the press is (not!).
Pressgate!/
945 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:54:53am |
re: #926 Mad Al-Jaffee
That reminds me of the old Emily Litella editorial on SNL about the "deaf penalty."
Nevermind.
946 | MandyManners Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:55:17am |
re: #927 jaunte
Mandy, sorry for the delay in replying, I had to go and pay attention to work for a minute. I'll see if I can find the link.
Thanks! AP links on Yahoo expire.
947 | Honorary Yooper Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:55:28am |
The really silly one Drudge has up is the "RECOVERY.GOV // AWARDED: $541,119 FOR 'INSTALL TRAFFIC SIGNAL'...". Does he know how much it really costs to install a traffic signal? If this is for a multiple lane road with turning lanes, this could include loop detectors, dedicated turning signals, multiple signals per direction of travel, electrical cabinets, steel monotube poles and mast arms, and even a system whereby emergency vehicles can preempt the signal. A large signal installation can easily top $500,000.
948 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:55:31am |
re: #941 MandyManners
He could always use interpretative dance.
Please explain to me how Sarah Palin was so dangerous, and this idiot gets a free pass.
949 | LGoPs Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:55:54am |
re: #937 Kenneth
The U.S. Marine advance into Helmand province is being slowed down by the new Rules Of Engagement (ROE), which forbid the use of bombs or missiles in any situation where there might be civilians. The Taliban will typically spend the night, or longer, in a village or walled compound, and that's where U.S. troops will typically trap them. But bombs and missiles cannot be used on these places, so U.S. troops have to besiege the place, or just move on, leaving the Taliban alone.
...The other option, when you have the Taliban cornered, and using human shields, is to go in and fight them room-to-room. That gets more Americans killed, as well as putting the Afghan civilians in danger.
That is a terrible ROE and will get soldiers needlessly killed. Let the professionals do their job.
950 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:55:57am |
re: #932 Pianobuff
I'm hoping it gets someone to look at the setup of recovery.org to provide more clarity in their documentation. Having people go to that site and even research is a good thing IMO and low-quality information makes that difficult. (even if it means good things for Drudge)
I am sure they could do it for a pittance of recoverey funds.
951 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:56:09am |
re: #948 soxfan4life
Please explain to me how Sarah Palin was so dangerous, and this idiot gets a free pass.
Main. Stream. Media.
952 | calcajun Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:56:15am |
953 | jaunte Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:56:18am |
re: #941 MandyManners
I don't think this was exactly the same JPost article I linked to, but it's the July 20 update: [Link: www.jpost.com...]
954 | VegasRick Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:56:21am |
Anybody that trusts this current group of thieves is a moron. That's all.
955 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:56:28am |
re: #894 Macker
Alright, where's buzzsaw and his Burma Shave ditties?
I know!
A day without buzzsaw and his Burma Shave ditties is like a day without liquid sunshine.
956 | SixDegrees Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:56:39am |
re: #878 Killgore Trout
The $351,807 FOR 'REPLACE AND UPGRADE THE DUMBWAITER'... appears to be for a VA facility. Probably to deliver meals to wounded soldiers and veterans. Anyone object?
Maybe. It sounds more like something that should have been included under routine maintenance, as part of their normal operating budget. How is it classified as "stimulus"? Are stimulus funds being used to supplement the ordinary Federal Budget? If so, that's gonna make accounting a bitch.
958 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:57:01am |
re: #488 turn
Friggin O is trying to ram the health care bill through before the end of summer recess because he can't delay the gloomy budget update any longer than that. He's trying to get us to swallow a poison pill before we find out we're already dying!
oh Morning all.
Oh, you Gloomy Guses you. You bitterest of bitter clingers, clinging bitterly to your bitterness.
I have it on good authority. Fine numbers. Stable numbers. ROMA numbers.
The reason that the Obamanation has decided to delay releasing the economy numbers is that they are too good. Insanely good. Scary good. They are simply afraid that you bitter types will refuse the evidence of your own eyes, and bitterly cling to your fantasies of DOOOOOOOOM.
*Man. This year's crop is primo. Absolutely primo.*
959 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:57:11am |
re: #920 VegasRick
Why the guessing? Why not just give the details for all to see. Maybe it's a dumbwaiter to the moon!
I'm sure you can get the contract details using the freedom of information act if you suspect fraud, but you can't provide that sort of detail on a web site with 1000's of expenditures.
960 | calcajun Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:57:26am |
re: #955 J.D.
I know!
A day without buzzsaw and his Burma Shave ditties is like a day without liquid sunshine.
What do you think fuels those ditties?
961 | lawhawk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:57:35am |
re: #887 Dianna
Probably install new motors and energy efficient systems that reduce overall costs - not clear from the recovery.gov system.
It might also require rebuilding the shaft that the dumbwaiter is housed in. It seems to be a worthy cost, but without knowing specifics, you can't tell if the cost is reasonable or not.
962 | albusteve Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:58:06am |
re: #940 Pianobuff
Hopefully this will also be a kick in the ass for the White House to upgrade their public information store to the 20th, if not the 21st century.
the whole transparency/accountability crap is a campaign meme...BO has no intention of pursuing either...there would never be enough public pressure for him to do otherwise...it's all in the book
963 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:58:33am |
re: #954 VegasRick
Anybody that trusts this current group of thieves is a moron. That's all.
I don't trust the ones on the other side of the aisle either.
964 | MrSilverDragon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:58:44am |
re: #955 J.D.
I know!
A day without buzzsaw and his Burma Shave ditties is like a day without liquid sunshine.
...or a winnebago without liquid schwartz.
965 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:58:46am |
re: #948 soxfan4life
Please explain to me how Sarah Palin was so dangerous, and this idiot gets a free pass.
Look after the name.
(R) = Dangerous
(D) = Free pass
966 | quiet man Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:58:51am |
re: #962 albusteve
True..he just goes on Oprah again and thats it
967 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:58:56am |
re: #948 soxfan4life
Please explain to me how Sarah Palin was so dangerous, and this idiot gets a free pass.
Simple: She's an Evil Conservative and he's a Good Liberal. Don't you read the New York Times?
/////////
968 | Creeping Eruption Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:59:15am |
OT: Not quite "Unsung heroes," but not "sung" enough, for sure. Vid of firefighters saving mother and two kids from burning care. Not graphic, just very disturbing for anyone with kids. Happy ending.
969 | Lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:59:17am |
re: #939 BlueCanuck
It may be a bargain for all I know, but since it's the Gov't I highly doubt it. This is Stimulus money, not the regular budget money. This money is supposed to be used to stimulate the economy, not fill the gaps that previous incompetence, corruption, etc. have caused.
The weak "trickle down" appendage to the Dept. of Ag's statement could be applied to every penny ever spent by anyone. It means nothing.
970 | albusteve Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:59:38am |
971 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:59:47am |
re: #961 lawhawk
Probably install new motors and energy efficient systems that reduce overall costs - not clear from the recovery.gov system.
It might also require rebuilding the shaft that the dumbwaiter is housed in. It seems to be a worthy cost, but without knowing specifics, you can't tell if the cost is reasonable or not.
The labor itself isn't cheap.
972 | J.S. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:59:51am |
re: #823 Kenneth
(yes. It's curious how quickly Obama's support in Israel has eroded...i suppose it's due to a combination of factors which have gradually chipped away...one poll, according to a Jerusalem Post article, had only 6 percent of Israelis believing Obama was 'pro-Israel." It's Obama's attitude -- an absolutist one -- on "settlements", including even Jerusalem; it's Obama's Cairo Speech (in which he expressed his abject ignorance with respect to why/how the State of Israel came into existence); it's Obama's surrounding himself with hostile antisemites; it's Obama's weak position with respect to Iran and Ahamdinejad; etc., etc.
975 | soxfan4life Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:00:21am |
re: #967 Dark_Falcon
Simple: She's an Evil Conservative and he's a Good Liberal. Don't you read the New York Times?
/////////
I is not nearly edumacated enuf to reed the Slimes.
978 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:00:34am |
re: #948 soxfan4life
Please explain to me how Sarah Palin (R) was so dangerous, and this idiot (D) gets a free pass.
FIFY
980 | Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:00:41am |
re: #956 SixDegrees
Maybe. It sounds more like something that should have been included under routine maintenance, as part of their normal operating budget. How is it classified as "stimulus"? Are stimulus funds being used to supplement the ordinary Federal Budget? If so, that's gonna make accounting a bitch.
Capital projects are always set to the side, and organizations put them off until they become really urgent. Most organizations will do pretty much anything to avoid using operating revenue for a capital project.
981 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:00:44am |
re: #959 avanti
I'm sure you can get the contract details using the freedom of information act if you suspect fraud, but you can't provide that sort of detail on a web site with 1000's of expenditures.
Huh? For real?
Are you stating that from a position of authority and knowledge on what's possible and not possible with web applications?
Any IT guys know whether it's impossible to scan and attach documents and present on a website with (ye gads) literally 1000s of records?
982 | Lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:00:44am |
re: #942 Dianna
Not really serious, it's just my general take on things that involve lots of Government money moving between Gov't agencies.
984 | VegasRick Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:01:17am |
re: #963 Sharmuta
I don't trust the ones on the other side of the aisle either.
Agreed, unfortunately.
985 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:01:19am |
re: #958 razorbacker
ha, what's you smokin - want some of that. This year's crop is called rainbows and unicorns green bud.
986 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:01:33am |
re: #955 J.D.
I know!
A day without buzzsaw and his Burma Shave ditties is like a day without liquid sunshine.
How about this one:
Barack and Nancy
Have a stimulus plan.
Come for the wegu beef,
stay for the ham.
Burma Shave
987 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:01:46am |
re: #939 BlueCanuck
Actually that cost to fix and/or replace the dumb waiter isn't that bad. I know that private company contractors do charge an arm and a leg. For example rekeying an entire complex costs over 100K. Elevator style work is even more expensive.
And once any project undergoes U.S. Government Regulations and all that that entails, the price goes up unbelievably.
989 | Gang of One Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:02:26am |
re: #955 J.D.
I know!
A day without buzzsaw and his Burma Shave ditties is like a day without liquid sunshine.
Maybe the Buzz is resting up from his long and protracted efforts to explain to Haakondahl why he [Buzz] had issues with folks who reject the notion of a Creator yet cite the Dec. of Ind. for the authority on civil rights. It was on the Sat. Night Open Thread.
993 | Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:03:20am |
re: #961 lawhawk
Probably install new motors and energy efficient systems that reduce overall costs - not clear from the recovery.gov system.
It might also require rebuilding the shaft that the dumbwaiter is housed in. It seems to be a worthy cost, but without knowing specifics, you can't tell if the cost is reasonable or not.
You have a definite point. I just looked through some financials about elevator installations (we get a lot of those), and the problem is that upgrading an existing elevator is much cheaper than installing a brand new one. Especially when you have to create a whole new shaft.
I found the "it's for veterans, so you can't object" appeal to emotion doubtful, that's all.
994 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:03:22am |
995 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:03:25am |
re: #937 Kenneth
Good luck with that!
The 'preferred' weapon of the Taleban right now seems to be IEDs.
The US forces should be ok, seeing that their armoured vehicles are better and they have more helicopters.
However, I'm not happy with this statement (my emphasis):
'The intense combat in Helmand, and elsewhere, has bumped up the casualty rate. Foreign troops are headed for a record number of casualties '
Thats our lads, they are the ones with the heavy casualty rates, and deaths.
Would be nice if they had said so ..
996 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:03:45am |
THE GOP IS POISED
TO CAPTURE IT ALL
IN TWENTY-TWELVE
BUT-WHAT? RON PAUL?!?
BURMA SHAVE
997 | Lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:04:07am |
re: #959 avanti
You can't? I think the entire Library of Congress is going to be online soon.
"Not enough space" doesn't work as an excuse on the Internet.
999 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:04:32am |
re: #981 Pianobuff
Huh? For real?
Are you stating that from a position of authority and knowledge on what's possible and not possible with web applications?
Any IT guys know whether it's impossible to scan and attach documents and present on a website with (ye gads) literally 1000s of records?
No, no and neither. He doesn't know anything about document handling. There is all kinds of web based document handling and distribution systems.
This would not be a problem for the administration to do. But, it would be a problem if they don't want anyone to see the details.
Like Avanti said.
1000 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:05:21am |
re: #992 avanti
OK, found it:
I thought you just said they couldn't put that kind of detail on the web. You're confusing me.
1001 | tradewind Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:05:31am |
Description of Work/Service performed
CANNED PORK
Ya Think?
[Link: www.recovery.gov...]
1002 | Syrah Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:05:53am |
With no real opposition in the house or the senate, there is no limit to the pork that can be included in a bill.
Its a "free for all" orgy of spending "other peoples money" at this point, and for the foreseeable future.
1003 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:05:58am |
re: #997 Lincolntf
You can't? I think the entire Library of Congress is going to be online soon.
"Not enough space" doesn't work as an excuse on the Internet.
It does for an administration that doesn't really want to be "transparent."
1004 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:06:13am |
Google loves the current Administration; if BHO really wanted all of those docs online, Google would probably do it for them for free, just for the chance to lick his hand.
1005 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:06:29am |
1007 | Macker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:07:39am |
re: #1004 JamesTKirk
Google loves the current Administration; if BHO really wanted all of those docs online, Google would probably do it for them for free, just for the chance to
lick his handkiss his ass.
There, fixed that for ya!
1008 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:08:08am |
re: #986 Dark_Falcon
How about this one:
Barack and Nancy
Have a stimulus plan.
Come for the wegu beef,
stay for the ham.
Burma Shave
I LOVE IT!
1009 | tradewind Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:08:12am |
re: #996 JamesTKirk
Burma Shave
I'd swap out for another two word phrase with the initials B and S ....
1010 | bloodnok Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:08:27am |
re: #924 Killgore Trout
Here's the VA hospital in Brooklyn that is getting a new dumbwaiter to deliver meals to veterans and wounded soldiers.
Some of the descriptions of the dumbwaiters show them to be very high tech. Here is a similar type of request from 2003 which was estimated between $25K and $100K. Of course, we don't know what the differences are in the buildings (some could be quite old or some bigger than others) but given probable advances in technology and labor costs I think the $351K tag could be reasonable. High, but understandably so.
1011 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:08:41am |
re: #1002 Syrah
With no real opposition in the house or the senate, there is no limit to the pork that can be included in a bill.
Its a "free for all" orgy of spending "other peoples money" at this point, and for the foreseeable future.
The only leverage the people have is the threat of election. As much as I hate election seasons- November 2010 can't get here soon enough.
1012 | Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:08:42am |
re: #992 avanti
OK, found it:
I'm not even trying to open the attached pdf. file. I'm sick of crashing.
1013 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:08:45am |
re: #995 yma o hyd
Good luck with that!
The 'preferred' weapon of the Taleban right now seems to be IEDs.
The US forces should be ok, seeing that their armoured vehicles are better and they have more helicopters.However, I'm not happy with this statement (my emphasis):
'The intense combat in Helmand, and elsewhere, has bumped up the casualty rate. Foreign troops are headed for a record number of casualties '
Thats our lads, they are the ones with the heavy casualty rates, and deaths.Would be nice if they had said so ..
But it's not just us. Canada, the UK, and Germany have all suffered multiple fatal casualties this month and those deaths are being included in the total. We must not forget the price our allies are paying.
1014 | Macker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:09:11am |
re: #1006 taxfreekiller
There used to be a pork council ad, exhorting Americans to eat more pork. The jingle went something like this: "America's eating more pork".....
It ought to be updated to: "America's getting porked".....
1016 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:09:20am |
re: #992 avanti
OK, found it:
I'm getting a website's security certificate error when I try to view the actual solicitation - still no details. BBL
1017 | bloodnok Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:09:36am |
re: #1010 bloodnok
Some of the descriptions of the dumbwaiters show them to be very high tech. Here is a similar type of request from 2003 which was estimated between $25K and $100K. Of course, we don't know what the differences are in the buildings (some could be quite old or some bigger than others) but given probable advances in technology and labor costs I think the $351K tag could be reasonable. High, but understandably so.
Damn. Avanti beat me and with a better link.
1019 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:09:56am |
1020 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:09:58am |
re: #1013 Dark_Falcon
But it's not just us. Canada, the UK, and Germany have all suffered multiple fatal casualties this month and those deaths are being included in the total. We must not forget the price our allies are paying.
Don't forget Poland.
1021 | jaunte Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:10:09am |
Anyone here want to take a shot at explaining how $1.00 in stimulus money creates $1.85 in economic activity?
1022 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:10:11am |
I just have to say it again- wow. Just.... wowowow.
Going from two minute spinning balls of death to instant posting of comments just rocks.
I promise I will never take a functional LGF page for granted again.
1023 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:10:20am |
re: #1006 taxfreekiller
Its not just pork any longer.
PORK
Why don't you try a Burma Shave limerick, TFK? I think you'd come up with a funny one.
1024 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:10:52am |
Stand back, Folks. I'm going to say something nice about tech support.
Been on the blower with a nice Indian lady (India Indian, not Oklahoma Indian). Gave her my vitals and she started with her script. I interrupted her, "Ma'am, do you propose to read me the recovery portion of the owner's manual?"
a pause...
"You should know that before calling you I went through every line of the owner's manual and have already tried every recovery technique in it. Kindly skip down to where you issue me an RA number, and let us save us both a lot of time."
She did.
WOOT!
1025 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:10:58am |
re: #1014 Macker
There used to be a pork council ad, exhorting Americans to eat more pork. The jingle went something like this: "America's eating more pork".....
It ought to be updated to: "America's getting porked".....
Pork
The One You Love
1026 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:11:03am |
1027 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:11:10am |
re: #1021 jaunte
Anyone here want to take a shot at explaining how $1.00 in stimulus money creates $1.85 in economic activity?
The power of 0bama compels it?
1029 | Kragar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:11:53am |
re: #1021 jaunte
Anyone here want to take a shot at explaining how $1.00 in stimulus money creates $1.85 in economic activity?
Simple. The government numbers are bullshit.
1030 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:11:53am |
re: #1020 JamesTKirk
Don't forget Poland.
you are quite correct: Poland has been one of our best Allies against terror. Their sacrifice on our behalf must always be remembered.
1031 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:12:13am |
re: #1022 Sharmuta
two minute spinning balls of death
At least they weren't inflated balls of death.
1033 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:12:32am |
re: #1000 Walter L. Newton
I thought you just said they couldn't put that kind of detail on the web. You're confusing me.
Not as part of the recovery.gov web site that just lists the expenditures. The Lizards just showed how easy it is to track down more details if they are curious.
1034 | albusteve Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:12:35am |
re: #1026 turn
Can you summarize the details please?
no, there are none..buyer, seller, addy, price...that's it
1035 | irongrampa Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:12:46am |
If you read the description at Avanti's link, that elevator system sounds suspiciously like one that requires an OPERATOR. Not an expert, but every dumbwaiter I ever saw didn't require someone to operate from inside.
Did I miss something here?
1036 | SixDegrees Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:12:46am |
re: #980 Dianna
Capital projects are always set to the side, and organizations put them off until they become really urgent. Most organizations will do pretty much anything to avoid using operating revenue for a capital project.
Sure. The problem I see, though, is that this - and a great deal many other stimulus expenditures, it seems - are being used to fund government expenditures that would have taken place normally. Eventually, the VA would replace that dumbwaiter as part of the normal budgeting process. Now, the need for that expenditure, and similar ones, will be masked by the stimulus, making accurate accounting all but impossible. Future projections of budgetary needs are going to be grossly distorted because they won't "see" projects like this.
How much do you want to bet that such gross underestimates will be touted as "savings" the government has realized, rather than the shifting of expenses onto a separate spreadsheet that's really taking place?
1037 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:12:56am |
The use it or lose it type budgeting that the feds use already discourages thrift. The availability of stimulus funds supposedly set aside for shovel ready infrastructure projects to be used on shoring up budget shortfalls and non-infrastructure items (pork at any price) will compound this problem and let agencies avoid accountability for cost overruns. The belt tightening should start with the federal government.
1038 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:13:05am |
re: #1021 jaunte
Anyone here want to take a shot at explaining how $1.00 in stimulus money creates $1.85 in economic activity?
Fuzzy math?
1039 | Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:13:29am |
re: #983 JamesTKirk
Shouldn't that now be called "Myanmar Shave"?
1040 | albusteve Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:13:35am |
re: #1033 avanti
Not as part of the recovery.gov web site that just lists the expenditures. The Lizards just showed how easy it is to track down more details if they are curious.
there were no more details...you are misleading
1041 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:13:36am |
re: #1035 irongrampa
If you read the description at Avanti's link, that elevator system sounds suspiciously like one that requires an OPERATOR. Not an expert, but every dumbwaiter I ever saw didn't require someone to operate from inside.
Did I miss something here?
A dumbwaiter that you operate from the inside is called an ELEVATOR.
1042 | Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:13:43am |
1043 | VegasRick Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:13:57am |
1044 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:13:59am |
re: #1021 jaunte
Anyone here want to take a shot at explaining how $1.00 in stimulus money creates $1.85 in economic activity?
Simple: The money goes to feed hopeychange unicorns, who then power whole city block with their farts.
/sarc
1045 | Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:14:03am |
re: #1034 albusteve
uhhhh, did you look at the link? there was a 30-40 page document with technical details and an amendment.
1046 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:14:16am |
re: #1040 albusteve
there were no more details...you are misleading
These are not the details you're looking for. Move along.
1047 | apachegunner Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:14:18am |
re: #1022 Sharmuta
I just have to say it again- wow. Just.... wowowow.
Going from two minute spinning balls of death to instant posting of comments just rocks.
I promise I will never take a functional LGF page for granted again.
your happiness is making me just giddy sharm
1049 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:15:13am |
re: #1034 albusteve
no, there are none..buyer, seller, addy, price...that's it
I was talking about avanti's link above where it appears you can download the actual solicitation, I couldn't.
1050 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:15:30am |
re: #1017 bloodnok
Damn. Avanti beat me and with a better link.
I'm just trying to help, but other Lizards are making doing better. Maybe Drudge should pay Charles to have the Lizards do his journalism fact checking.
1051 | Pianobuff Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:15:31am |
ANALYSIS: States Hit Hardest by Recession Get Least Stimulus Money
By John Lott
* ShareThisThe stimulus bill "includes help for those hardest hit by our economic crisis," President Obama promised when he signed the bill into law on Feb. 17. "As a whole, this plan will help poor and working Americans."
But FOXNews.com has analyzed data tracking how the stimulus money is being given out across the 50 states and the District of Columbia, and it has found a perverse pattern: the states hardest hit by the recession received the least money. States with higher bankruptcy, foreclosure and unemployment rates got less money. And higher income states received more.
The transfers to the states having the least problems are large. Even after accounting for other factors, each $1,000 in a state's per capita income means that the state got $21 more per capita in stimulus funds. With a spread of almost $38,000 in per-person income between the top and bottom states, this has a sizable impact. High-income states get considerably more stimulus money.
States with higher bankruptcy rates got a lot less, not more, money — roughly $86 less per person for each percentage point increase in the state's bankruptcy rate. States with higher foreclosure rates were treated very similarly, losing $82 per person for each one percentage point more of the people suffering foreclosures.........
More at the link up top.
1052 | Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:15:32am |
1053 | albusteve Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:15:37am |
re: #1040 albusteve
there were no more details...you are misleading
I take that back....site would not open at first
1054 | Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:16:19am |
re: #1036 SixDegrees
You're seeing the same problem I am.
I dislike the way some routine capital expenditures (I know some organizations refuse to regard capital projects as routine) are being handled, in this.
However, I've got too many proposals (with financials) to read and summarize to dig into this as I ought.
1055 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:16:20am |
re: #1047 apachegunner
your happiness is making me just giddy sharm
I would only wish that page load issue on the stalkers. That was horrible. I'm so glad it's over.
1056 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:16:39am |
re: #1039 Mad Al-Jaffee
Shouldn't that now be called "Myanmar Shave"?
Burma Shave is the name of a product. The name doesn't change just because a bunch of tyrants renamed the country.
1057 | lawhawk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:17:12am |
re: #1016 turn
It calls for the replacement of the dumbwaiter system, related components, and removal of debris from the building. The building is the VA hospital visible from the Belt Parkway adjacent to Fort Hamilton in Brooklyn and the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge.
1058 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:17:21am |
re: #1013 Dark_Falcon
But it's not just us. Canada, the UK, and Germany have all suffered multiple fatal casualties this month and those deaths are being included in the total. We must not forget the price our allies are paying.
Sure, Canada and Germany have suffered some fatal casualties - but Germany is certainly not fighting in Helmad - thats our lads, the British soldiers.
And our losses are very high - last week we suffered eight deaths in one day alone. Today, another of our soldiers died.
For our forces, this is solely down to our despicable government, who ahve not given us the means (helicoperts,a rmoured vehicles) to fight this war because they ahte the Armed Forces and ahve been cutting abck on their budget for 12 years, wars or not.
It is a huge political scandal here - I linked several reports on Friday and Saturday in the spin-offs.
1059 | Kragar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:17:36am |
About the whole Global Warming hopey-changeyness:
India rebuffs US carbon demands
“There is simply no case for the pressure that we, who have been among the lowest emissions per capita, face to actually reduce emissions,” Jairam Ramesh, India’s environment minister told Mrs Clinton. “And as if this pressure was not enough, we also face the threat of carbon tariffs on our exports to countries such as yours.”
1060 | Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:17:41am |
re: #1056 Dark_Falcon
Burma Shave is the name of a product. The name doesn't change just because a bunch of tyrants renamed the country.
I know. I was joking.
1061 | lawhawk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:17:44am |
re: #1021 jaunte
Anyone here want to take a shot at explaining how $1.00 in stimulus money creates $1.85 in economic activity?
So it was said. So shall it be done. *clap clap*
1062 | razorbacker Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:17:56am |
re: #1021 jaunte
Anyone here want to take a shot at explaining how $1.00 in stimulus money creates $1.85 in economic activity?
Why, Man, it is simplicity itself. Let me illustrate...
A neighbor had an old mule. He sold me the mule for $25. I took the mule and currycombed it, and polished it's hooves and the neighbor bought it back for $50. He took the mule and put ribbons in its mane, and tinkly bells in its tail. I bought the mule back for $75. I took the mule and added sparklies to the ribbons, and shiney reflective beads to the ribbons. The neighbor bought the mule back for $100.
That Sumbeech sold our mule to a city boy. I was devastated. "What have you done, you fool? Me and you both were making a good living off that mule and you've gone and sold him to a stranger."
1063 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:18:15am |
re: #1051 Pianobuff
ANALYSIS: States Hit Hardest by Recession Get Least Stimulus Money
More at the link up top.
And with that we can now pass definitive judgment:
Stimulus Plan = EPIC FAIL
1065 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:18:39am |
re: #989 Gang of One
Maybe the Buzz is resting up from his long and protracted efforts to explain to Haakondahl why he [Buzz] had issues with folks who reject the notion of a Creator yet cite the Dec. of Ind. for the authority on civil rights. It was on the Sat. Night Open Thread.
Interesting.
Thanks.
1066 | tradewind Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:18:47am |
re: #1059 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
It's not even so much that they ' rebuffed ' it.
There's absolutely no way that India could come close to complying with that BS, and they are just being honest enough to say so.
1067 | turn Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:18:56am |
re: #1057 lawhawk
It calls for the replacement of the dumbwaiter system, related components, and removal of debris from the building. The building is the VA hospital visible from the Belt Parkway adjacent to Fort Hamilton in Brooklyn and the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge.
Thanks LH, doesn't seem too outrageous a sum to me.
1068 | tradewind Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:19:10am |
re: #1063 Dark_Falcon
Interesting to do a red state/blue state comparison.....
1069 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:19:16am |
re: #1063 Dark_Falcon
And with that we can now pass definitive judgment:
Stimulus Plan = EPIC FAIL
That story is from Fox, it can't be a honest source.
1070 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:19:29am |
re: #1056 Dark_Falcon
Burma Shave is the name of a product. The name doesn't change just because a bunch of tyrants renamed the country.
If someone marketed a "Myanmar Depilatory Salve" how many people do you think would notice the significance?
1071 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:19:33am |
re: #1041 JamesTKirk
In the Navy, I wanted a a AM/FM stereo for our rec room. I submitted a budget request for a "A4/F4 receiving apparatus" to get it.
1072 | saberry0530 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:19:43am |
re: #1021 jaunte
Anyone here want to take a shot at explaining how $1.00 in stimulus money creates $1.85 in economic activity?
Easy, for every dollar the treasury takes in, O spends $1.85.
1073 | Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:19:59am |
re: #1056 Dark_Falcon
A peach
Looks good
With lots of fuzz
But man's no peach
And never wuz
Burma-Shave
1074 | Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:20:46am |
Nirth Cert nuts goes nutty over Nirth Cert.....
Mike Castle on PeeBo's Birthcertificate.
Bug eyed lunatics tilting at windmills.
1075 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:21:03am |
re: #1071 avanti
In the Navy, I wanted a a AM/FM stereo for our rec room. I submitted a budget request for a "A4/F4 receiving apparatus" to get it.
It's amazing that you are PROUD of that.
1077 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:21:16am |
re: #1029 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Simple. The government numbers are bullshit.
Don't you just love fairy tales?
1080 | Kragar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:21:37am |
re: #1066 tradewind
It's not even so much that they ' rebuffed ' it.
There's absolutely no way that India could come close to complying with that BS, and they are just being honest enough to say so.
Meanwhile, our leaders are going to cripple us trying to follow this pipe dream which in the long run will have no benefits.
1082 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:21:43am |
re: #1058 yma o hyd
Forgot to add this: one part of the British troups currently deployed in Helmand is made up of the 1st Battalion, Welsh Guards - so quite a number of the lads killed in the last weeks come from round where I live.
Thats why I'm twice as angry, forgive me my local patriotism ...
1084 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:21:49am |
re: #1032 taxfreekiller
Its a Democrat World your driving backwards.
Like a Smart car I saw the other day.
1085 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:21:52am |
re: #853 yma o hyd
Good afternoon/evening to you {yma} - hope you're doing well today (I was on for a while but hadda get off to deal with some phone calls and e-mails and such!)?
1086 | DaddyG Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:21:59am |
A depilatory
from Myanmar
Is Hard to rhyme
and won't go far.
Burma Shave
1087 | Lincolntf Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:22:36am |
re: #1019 avanti
As has been repeatedly pointed out, we're looking for the "stimulus", not verification that the Gov. is writing someone a check. We already know that. These contract summaries and bid results are not the information that we need.
1088 | Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:23:04am |
re: #1075 Walter L. Newton
It's amazing that you are PROUD of that.
My Male has some stories about prying items out of Naval Supply that would curl your hair, if you think avanti's remark is something besides the usual necessary mild subterfuge. Knowing how to phrase these little requests is half the battle.
1089 | jaunte Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:23:11am |
re: #1072 saberry0530
Easy, for every dollar the treasury takes in, O spends $1.85.
I think you have the answer there.
1090 | CIA Reject Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:23:23am |
On winding paths
And steep inclines
Just watch the road
AND NOT THE SIGNS!
1091 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:23:45am |
re: #1082 yma o hyd
There is NOTHING to forgive you for; when it's one of your friend and neighbors (not to mention family members) no one ever need apologize for feeling that way.
NEVER.
1092 | tradewind Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:23:52am |
re: #1069 Walter L. Newton
And shocka.... Fox found to be most balanced network in election coverage. Shows the people aren't totally stupid.....until they hit the voting booth....
[Link: www.cmpa.com...]
1093 | SixDegrees Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:23:56am |
re: #1081 JamesTKirk
START SPENDING FASTER
Over 200 million taxpayers are ready and willing to help spend the stimulus a lot faster than the seventeen bucks a week they're currently allotted.
1094 | lawhawk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:24:05am |
Curious. UNIFIL and local villagers clashed near where a Hizbullah arsenal blew up last week. Guess someone doesn't want UNIFIL to know what is really going on there...
Oh, and UNIFIL calls on Israel to stop recon flights over Lebanon.
Right, because UNIFIL is doing such a great job disarming Hizbullah?
1095 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:24:08am |
1096 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:24:27am |
1098 | Kragar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:25:02am |
re: #1071 avanti
In the Navy, I wanted a a AM/FM stereo for our rec room. I submitted a budget request for a "A4/F4 receiving apparatus" to get it.
In Japan, we were able to convince MWR and our Chain of Command the way to cut down on the number of alcohol related incidents in town was to allow us to put in a bar in our barracks. We had PWC come and build it for us and then we did the finishing work with MWR funds.
1099 | tradewind Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:25:10am |
re: #1086 DaddyG
Substitute ' jar of Nair' and it's easier...
:)
1100 | tradewind Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:26:12am |
re: #1089 jaunte
Joe the Senator Vice President has endorsed that formula, so it must work...
1101 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:26:17am |
re: #1085 realwest
Good afternoon/evening to you {yma} - hope you're doing well today (I was on for a while but hadda get off to deal with some phone calls and e-mails and such!)?
Hiya, {rw}!
Hope you are fine today, and that you ahve a lovely sunny day!
Practising Mandy's new expression, we've had 'liquid sunshine' most of the day - and more predicted for tomorrow ...
My garden is a sodden mess ...
But otherwise we're hunky-dory! Beat the Aussies at cricket, there couldn't be a better start to the week!
:-(
1102 | Sharmuta Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:26:22am |
re: #1093 SixDegrees
Over 200 million taxpayers are ready and willing to help spend the stimulus a lot faster than the seventeen bucks a week they're currently allotted.
Really- they should have just cut me a big check. I'd be done spending it by now.
1109 | LGoPs Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:27:53am |
re: #1082 yma o hyd
Forgot to add this: one part of the British troups currently deployed in Helmand is made up of the 1st Battalion, Welsh Guards - so quite a number of the lads killed in the last weeks come from round where I live.
Thats why I'm twice as angry, forgive me my local patriotism ...
Welsh Regiments have a proud tradition. It brings to mind the 24th Regiment of Foot, a Welsh Regiment, immortalized for their actions at Rourke's Drift and Isandlwhana during the Zulu War.
1110 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:28:01am |
re: #1102 Sharmuta
Really- they should have just cut me a big check. I'd be done spending it by now.
Oh yeah, I'd be gettin' my "stimulus" on all over the place.
1111 | Kragar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:28:05am |
re: #1096 avanti
re: #1075 Walter L. Newton
If I told you how I was ordered to spend 10 of 1000's of left over dollars in in my OPTAR budget, you'd understand how you have to be innovative. It was the "use it or lose it budget planning"
We had to buy assorted junk in our comm shop every quarter to justify our budget so when we would have enough to cover annual replacements at other times of the year. They wouldn't let us carry it over or save it.
1112 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:28:10am |
re: #1096 avanti
re: #1075 Walter L. Newton
If I told you how I was ordered to spend 10 of 1000's of left over dollars in in my OPTAR budget, you'd understand how you have to be innovative. It was the "use it or lose it budget planning"
Fine, you keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better. You keep telling yourself that you were innovative. I love to hear about the "compromises" that people will make, in place of just doing right.
1113 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:28:11am |
re: #1090 CIA Reject
Ah,Burma Shave signs, eh?
His cheek
Was rough
His chick vamoosed
And now she won't
Come home to roost
Burma-Shave
1114 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:28:17am |
re: #1070 DaddyG
If someone marketed a "Myanmar Depilatory Salve" how many people do you think would notice the significance?
No many. Most people couldn't find the place on a map.
1115 | pingjockey Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:28:52am |
re: #1082 yma o hyd
You are proud of your troops and rightly so. When we were out in the Gulf and had the RN around I knew my back was covered. Plus Wales isn't very big as my better half is always reminding me! I think I told you she was from Llanganour(clan gine a) near Brigde End.
Forgive my spelling! It is from memory!
1116 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:29:09am |
re: #1091 realwest
There is NOTHING to forgive you for; when it's one of your friend and neighbors (not to mention family members) no one ever need apologize for feeling that way.
NEVER.
I don't know them eprsonally - but their families live in the towns and vilalges close to where I am.
One date I've marked with red in my diary: August 22nd.
Thats when the 1st Batallion Welsh Guards will have their home-coming parade here in Cardiff, and we'll do them proud!
1117 | J.S. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:29:10am |
Anyone know anything about the company called "Ptech"? (there are all sorts of rumors about this company swirling around. Apparently, it has terrorist connections, Saudis, yet supplies software to a variety of US government agencies. Some conspiracy theorists link it back to 9/11. from wiki:
Ptech's roster of clients included several governmental agencies, including the United States Armed Forces, NATO, Congress, the Department of Energy, the Department of Justice, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Customs, the FAA, the IRS, the Secret Service, and the White House....
Ptech had a security clearance to work on sensitive military projects dating to 1997.
1118 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:29:16am |
re: #1112 Walter L. Newton
Fine, you keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better. You keep telling yourself that you were innovative. I love to hear about the "compromises" that people will make, in place of just doing right.
Quite Concur.
1119 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:29:24am |
re: #1088 Dianna
My Male has some stories about prying items out of Naval Supply that would curl your hair, if you think avanti's remark is something besides the usual necessary mild subterfuge. Knowing how to phrase these little requests is half the battle.
Thank you for that. It took me hours to find auto jack stands in the system since they were listed as "trestle automotive"
My division officer was ex enlisted, and could have figured out a way to requisition beer if challenged.
1120 | J.D. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:30:13am |
Mayo Clinic lambastes House healthcare bill
President Obama might have touted the Mayo Clinic as a model of healthcare delivery, but the Minnesota medical center is hardly showing affection for House Democrats' healthcare reform proposals.The Clinic believes the proposed House legislation "misses the opportunity to help create higher-quality, more affordable health care for patients," it said on its Health Policy Blog. "In fact, it will do the opposite."
The House bill currently being marked-up by three key congressional committees would establish a public (or "government-run") option for consumers, and finance it in part with a surtax on high-earning Americans.
And while that bill received a boost from the American Medical Association's (AMA) backing, the Mayo Clinic hardly seemed enthused about the proposal.
The blog continued:
In general, the proposals under discussion are not patient focused or results oriented. Lawmakers have failed to use a fundamental lever — a change in Medicare payment policy — to help drive necessary improvements in American health care. Unless legislators create payment systems that pay for good patient results at reasonable costs, the promise of transformation in American health care will wither. The real losers will be the citizens of the United States. ...
1121 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:30:25am |
re: #1113 realwest
Ah,Burma Shave signs, eh?
His cheek
Was rough
His chick vamoosed
And now she won't
Come home to roost
Burma-Shave
THE STIMULUS
MONEY VAMOOSED
AND NOW THE HAM'S
COME HOME TO ROOST
'BAMA SHAVE
//OK, I should probably stop now.
1122 | Walter L. Newton Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:30:29am |
re: #1111 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
We had to buy assorted junk in our comm shop every quarter to justify our budget so when we would have enough to cover annual replacements at other times of the year. They wouldn't let us carry it over or save it.
Never mind, I'm going to step out of the "budget" part of this thread. I see things like lying about funds and spending and the such as plain wrong. But I am well aware that a lot of people spending tax money simply see this as part of the game.
I can't deal with it, my problem, not anyone else.
1123 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:30:58am |
re: #1116 yma o hyd
August 22nd should be a GREAT DAY for you all!
Indeed, mark your calendar in BOLD letters. Nothing like showing your support of your troops!
1124 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:31:13am |
re: #1111 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
We had to buy assorted junk in our comm shop every quarter to justify our budget so when we would have enough to cover annual replacements at other times of the year. They wouldn't let us carry it over or save it.
Yep, first time I was asked, I inquired how I was to spend it, and heard "I don't give a damn Chief, just spend it"
1125 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:31:29am |
1126 | pingjockey Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:31:38am |
re: #1119 avanti
These people who want the gov't to run health care ought to deal with the military supply system for a week. It'll cure all their fucking optimism damn quick.
1127 | saberry0530 Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:32:12am |
1128 | Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:32:43am |
re: #1082 yma o hyd
Forgot to add this: one part of the British troups currently deployed in Helmand is made up of the 1st Battalion, Welsh Guards - so quite a number of the lads killed in the last weeks come from round where I live.
Thats why I'm twice as angry, forgive me my local patriotism ...
You have nothing to be sorry for. Wave your flag with pride, your boys are defending freedom from totalitarianism.
1129 | JamesTKirk Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:32:44am |
re: #1126 pingjockey
These people who want the gov't to run health care ought to deal with the military supply system for a week. It'll cure all their fucking optimism damn quick.
If dealing with the Post Office and the DMV haven't soured them on "government efficiency", nothing will.
1130 | albusteve Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:32:52am |
re: #1122 Walter L. Newton
Never mind, I'm going to step out of the "budget" part of this thread. I see things like lying about funds and spending and the such as plain wrong. But I am well aware that a lot of people spending tax money simply see this as part of the game.
I can't deal with it, my problem, not anyone else.
ditto...so much bull shit, so many excuses
1131 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:33:55am |
re: #1121 JamesTKirk
NO Don't stop now - I got a whole collection of 'em:
Twinkle, twinkle
One-eyed car
We all wonder
WHERE you are
Burma-Shave
1133 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:34:59am |
re: #1126 pingjockey
These people who want the gov't to run health care ought to deal with the military supply system for a week. It'll cure all their fucking optimism damn quick.
I tend to agree with that, and the money the military wastes would pay for health care. It starts with Congress that builds weapons the military does not want, down to the NCO ordering to buy shit they don't need to get the next years budget increase.
1134 | Kragar Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:36:30am |
re: #1112 Walter L. Newton
Fine, you keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better. You keep telling yourself that you were innovative. I love to hear about the "compromises" that people will make, in place of just doing right.
Unfortunately, just doing whats right has no place in government budgeting and accounting. I was once ordered I had 1 hour to produce 3000 yards of CAT 5 cable to supply to prove that we had it. This was just after we had rewired an entire battalion and supporting units around Camp Lejeune. No one in supply wanted to hear it had been cut up, spliced and used up. They expected to see cable spools all nice and neat they could account for and weren't going to accept any other answer.
They finally got the message when I had my team start going thru their offices pulling out the wiring and laying it out in the supply bay.
1135 | debutaunt Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:36:33am |
re: #1122 Walter L. Newton
Never mind, I'm going to step out of the "budget" part of this thread. I see things like lying about funds and spending and the such as plain wrong. But I am well aware that a lot of people spending tax money simply see this as part of the game.
I can't deal with it, my problem, not anyone else.
Combine all of the budget stories and they add up to a trillion dollar deficit. It started somewhere.
1136 | yma o hyd Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:37:14am |
re: #1109 LGoPs
Welsh Regiments have a proud tradition. It brings to mind the 24th Regiment of Foot, a Welsh Regiment, immortalized for their actions at Rourke's Drift and Isandlwhana during the Zulu War.
Indeed - and I recall it was their turn a year ago for 'Trooping the Colours'. They went into training for this year's operation immediately afterwards.
But even their commanding officer, Lt-Col Rupert Thorneloe, was killed there, because of the out-dated equipment:
Lieutenant-Colonel Rupert Thorneloe's death reignites equipment row
And our despicable government is still playing politics with this!
1137 | Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:37:18am |
re: #1112 Walter L. Newton
Fine, you keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better. You keep telling yourself that you were innovative. I love to hear about the "compromises" that people will make, in place of just doing right.
I know you don't like avanti, but you're out of line. The lunacy of supply and budget issues is a perpetual source of humor and "innovation", as people try to make it work.
1138 | realwest Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:37:41am |
re: #1120 J.D.
Hey J.D. - great find! And I loved these bolded parts the most:
In general, the proposals under discussion are not patient focused or results oriented. Lawmakers have failed to use a fundamental lever — a change in Medicare payment policy — to help drive necessary improvements in American health care. Unless legislators create payment systems that pay for good patient results at reasonable costs, the promise of transformation in American health care will wither. The real losers will be the citizens of the United States. ...
1139 | pingjockey Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:38:18am |
re: #1133 avanti
Yep. Had a buddy of mine that ran the range at the desert SERE school east of San Diego. We went out there over 2 weekends and shot up literally a ton of ammo. Why? So he could have the optar as next year! Madness.
Going up to see the ham that were'nt!
1141 | Dianna Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:39:23am |
re: #1117 J.S.
Anyone know anything about the company called "Ptech"? (there are all sorts of rumors about this company swirling around. Apparently, it has terrorist connections, Saudis, yet supplies software to a variety of US government agencies. Some conspiracy theorists link it back to 9/11. from wiki:
If they're publicly held, they have an annual report, and it's probably on line.
1143 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:42:31am |
re: #1129 JamesTKirk
If dealing with the Post Office and the DMV haven't soured them on "government efficiency", nothing will.
I expect disasters from government health care, but my small-town post office is actually run well, and I had amazingly enough a good experience the last couple of times I had to go to the Registry of Motor Vehicles.
1144 | Creeping Eruption Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:43:07am |
re: #1094 lawhawk
Oh, and UNIFIL calls on Israel to stop recon flights over Lebanon.
Guess someone doesn't want Israel to know what is really going on there...
1145 | avanti Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:44:27am |
re: #1137 Dianna
I know you don't like avanti, but you're out of line. The lunacy of supply and budget issues is a perpetual source of humor and "innovation", as people try to make it work.
In hindsight, it does make you wonder what would happen if we'd refused to the order to spend the money for example ?
1146 | J.S. Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:45:14am |
re: #1141 Dianna
FBI's press release...scroll down to "number 2" on the list of the top 10 news stories...here. (circumstantial evidence here -- Saudi funded/owned/operated computer software firm, clients with a number of US government agencies, including military security clearance; I recall from a CBC program -- on 9/11 NORAD did very poorly -- why? one of the explanations was that they were playing a computer simulation...
1147 | Kosh's Shadow Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:45:58am |
re: #1094 lawhawk
Curious. UNIFIL and local villagers clashed near where a Hizbullah arsenal blew up last week. Guess someone doesn't want UNIFIL to know what is really going on there...
Oh, and UNIFIL calls on Israel to stop recon flights over Lebanon.
Right, because UNIFIL is doing such a great job disarming Hizbullah?
UNIFIL can't find an ammo dump until it blows up in their face and Israel is supposed to trust them.
The UN should be responsible for all damage done to Israel if Hisballah attacks again, since they were supposed to prevent them from rearming.
1148 | Kenneth Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:59:34am |
re: #1147 Kosh's Shadow
What makes you think UNIFIL didn't know that ammo dump was there all along? It was just their bad luck it blew up and now they have to admit it was there.
1149 | debutaunt Mon, Jul 20, 2009 10:08:35am |
re: #1133 avanti
I tend to agree with that, and the money the military wastes would pay for health care. It starts with Congress that builds weapons the military does not want, down to the NCO ordering to buy shit they don't need to get the next years budget increase.
Why do you believe the government waste less money on healthcare?
1150 | justabill Mon, Jul 20, 2009 10:41:42am |
re: #1021 jaunte
Anyone here want to take a shot at explaining how $1.00 in stimulus money creates $1.85 in economic activity?
Its reasonably legitimate economics, called a multiplier effect. The idea is that when money is spent, by the government or anyone, Some of that money becomes someones paycheck, or corporate profit, or taxes or whatever. Those people go and spend the money again, resulting in more economic activity, and the stores where that person spends the money pays wages, makes profits, pays taxes which also gets spent. The exact amount of economic activity and where it happens is debatable, but there is definitely some effect.
Of course what they don't tell you is that to get the $1 spent on stimulus, they either had to tax it from someone, or borrow it from someone who would have otherwise spent it or invested it, in either case, causing a multiplier effect where they were.
1151 | KansasMom Mon, Jul 20, 2009 10:43:55am |
re: #6 austin_blue
I'm late to the thread, and late finding out that McCourt passed away. The world has certainly lost one of its most interesting and entertaining characters.
1152 | jaunte Mon, Jul 20, 2009 10:44:51am |
re: #1150 justabill
Thanks, that helps to clarify the assertion. The question then becomes whether the middleman in this case is actually assisting in creating the multiplier effect, or just creating a distortion in normal economic activity.
1153 | JustABill Mon, Jul 20, 2009 10:52:17am |
re: #1152 jaunte
Thanks, that helps to clarify the assertion. The question then becomes whether the middleman in this case is actually assisting in creating the multiplier effect, or just creating a distortion in normal economic activity.
I believe your assertion is correct, politicians basically move activity around(inefficiently).
Part of the problem is that its easy to point out the activity directly caused by govt action and more difficult to identify the jobs that would have occurred if the taxing/borrowing had not occurred.