Louisiana Citizens Pay for Bobby Jindal’s Church Visits

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Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, who signed into law an “academic freedom” bill intended to sneak the teaching of creationism into Louisiana schools, has been using state-funded helicopters to fly him to church on Sundays: Governor’s Sunday helicopter travels have come at taxpayers’ expense.

On Father’s Day this year, Gov. Bobby Jindal settled into a state helicopter with two staff members and flew to church services in Springhill. A week later, state records show, he was in Dry Creek, again to attend church. The weekend after that it was a church in Monroe.

The Advocate reviewed Jindal’s travel by gathering helicopter records from State Police through a public information request and verifying the purpose of the trips with the Governor’s Office. The helicopter records provided by State Police covered March 2 to July 20.

In May, June and July, there was rarely a Sunday when the governor didn’t board a taxpayer-funded helicopter to attend church services in far-flung parts of the state. He traveled by helicopter to churches less frequently in March and April. Over five months, Jindal took more than three dozen helicopter trips. Fourteen were to attend church services, according to state records.

He worshipped in Hornbeck, Many, Logansport, Angie, Elizabeth, Harrisonburg, Columbia, Winnsboro, Coushatta, Robeline and Anacoco. At least two aides usually accompanied him along with his security detail and State Police pilots. The public pays their salaries as well as the fuel and upkeep for the helicopter.

The helicopter that the governor uses the most costs $1,200 an hour to operate — about $45,000 for five months of church visits.

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414 comments
1 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:49:10am

So much for the separation of Church and State.

2 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:50:00am

I wish we could have separation of State and Stupid, but they seem to be joined at the head.

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:50:26am

There are no churches in Baton Rouge?

4 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:51:23am

I think the state should give me helicopter rides to work once a week in order to balance everything out.

Oh wait, that’s not how it works, is it?

/sigh

5 ckb  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:52:21am

There must be more to it than that. Maybe he was going to these places for other reasons on a Sunday and coupled them with a church visit since he had to go? What sane reason could there be to just go to church in different places around the state?

6 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:52:42am

I have a few questions: Is it allowed under state law? Is he the first governor to do this? Is it listed under the budget as such?

Seems like a waste of state money to me, either way.

7 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:52:56am

Well, one thing about Joe Lieberman, he always walks to services.

8 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:52:58am

re: #5 ckb

There must be more to it than that. Maybe he was going to these places for other reasons on a Sunday and coupled them with a church visit since he had to go? What sane reason could there be to just go to church in different places around the state?

Campaigning, which I think he has to pay for himself.

9 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:53:19am

Fiscal responsibility!

10 BignJames  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:53:47am

re: #2 Alouette

I wish we could have separation of State and Stupid, but they seem to be joined at the head.


Nah…then we’d have anarchy.

11 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:53:56am

At least he wasn’t boinking a babe in the bayou.

12 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:54:13am

Sounds like he’s an alumni of the “Coldcash Jefferson School of
Ethics”!
Or …He thinks all of Louisiana Citizens are stupid hicks!
Which is actually only offered in Post Graduate studies at the same school…

13 agarrett  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:54:21am

re: #5 ckb

I understand he was accepting invitations to Church services from members of his State, and usually did combine them with other business in the area. I’ve got no idea of the relevant Louisiana laws on this one, so will withhold judgment on that.

On the other hand, what a wonderful change in GOP scandals. A Republican governor accused of using state resources to attend Church!

14 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:54:54am

re: #6 Desert Dog

I have a few questions: Is it allowed under state law?


Probably, yes.



Is he the first governor to do this?


Probably not. Louisiana has a long history of corrupt and wasteful government.

15 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:55:21am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Fiscal responsibility!

Yes, he should take some time off. Go to New York with his wife on date perhaps?

16 Danny  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:55:55am

The helicopter’s a bit much, but doesn’t the US Govt pay for Secret Service to escort Obama to church?

17 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:56:06am

re: #7 Alouette

Well, one thing about Joe Lieberman, he always walks to services.

Obama does it even cheaper…he just doesn’t go

18 Charpete67  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:56:14am

re: #13 agarrett

I understand he was accepting invitations to Church services from members of his State, and usually did combine them with other business in the area. I’ve got no idea of the relevant Louisiana laws on this one, so will withhold judgment on that.

On the other hand, what a wonderful change in GOP scandals. A Republican governor accused of using state resources to attend Church!

…better than flying to S. America to visit his lover…

19 rightside  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:56:38am

re: #16 Danny

The helicopter’s a bit much, but doesn’t the US Govt taxpayers pay for Secret Service to escort Obama to church?

20 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:56:54am

re: #18 Charpete67

…better than flying to S. America to visit his lover…

Agreed, but the S. American visits were probably cheaper…

21 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:57:14am

Maybe God told him to use the helicopter.

22 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:57:26am

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Fiscal responsibility!

Indeed. If he wants to campaign or something in various churches around his state, he should pay for it with contributions. If this was official business, it would be more justifiable, but this doesn’t seem to fit that bill.

23 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:57:46am

What a maroon. /bugs bunny for Gov!

24 Dad O' Blondes  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:58:07am

Yet another US Governor doing God’s work at taxpayer expense !!

Praise Be !!

.

25 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:58:14am

re: #16 Danny

The helicopter’s a bit much, but doesn’t the US Govt pay for Secret Service to escort Obama to church?

We provide it for all Presidents, regardless of where they’re going.

26 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:58:19am

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe God told him to use the helicopter.

I didn’t know every state Capital has a hotline to God! I learn something new everyday here on LGF!

27 Spider Mensch  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:58:50am

well in away i’d feel better that my govenor was using tax dollars to go to church rather than to go to argentina to boink some South American chick…

/not that i condone any of this mind you..

28 Danny  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:59:23am

re: #25 Sharmuta

We provide it for all Presidents, regardless of where they’re going.

Exactly.

29 Spider Mensch  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:59:31am

re: #18 Charpete67


beat me to it :)

30 KenJen  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:59:34am

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe God told him to use the helicopter.

I bet God will tell him to pay the state back. I’ll bet he will listen.

31 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:59:34am

I had high hopes for Jindal when he took over from Gov. Blanco following her disastrous run as governor, particularly after Katrina. Now, it looks like he’s simply doing more of the same - wasting taxpayer dollars, pushing a radical agenda in education, and otherwise failing the people of Louisiana.

Oh, and have I mentioned recently that the levees in LA are still horrible and the Army Corps still can’t get them straightened out (and will once again miss deadlines to upgrade)?

32 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:00:01am

re: #26 Desert Dog

I didn’t know every state Capital has a hotline to God! I learn something new everyday here on LGF!

You would think God would call back down occasionally.

“Look, knock that shit off and quit throwing my name around saying I said you could do it.”

33 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:01:19am

re: #17 Desert Dog

Obama does it even cheaper…he just doesn’t go

That’s a step up from going to TUCC.

34 Gus  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:01:27am

Another one.

With this you can say that Jindal is running Louisiana in “perpetual campaign mode.”

35 chicagodudewhotrades  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:01:30am

re: #31 lawhawk

I thought the levees were repaired/rebuilt enough to withstand a Cat 3?

36 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:02:04am
37 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:02:06am

Seems he’s doing this to campaign for himself. These helicopter rides should be paid for with his campaign money, not the people of Louisiana.

38 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:03:05am

The GOP is toast.

39 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:03:39am

Gross misuse of public funds, imo.

40 KenJen  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:04:41am

I guess he feels closer to God when in a helicopter.

41 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:05:06am

Idiot.

He should have simply held a conference call with all the pastors and implored them to campaign his positions from the pulpit.

THAT’S fiscal responsibility.

42 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:05:24am

maybe he took a chopper instead of a car so he could feel closer to G-d.

43 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:05:52am

re: #40 KenJen

I guess he feels closer to God when in a helicopter.

GMTA … LOL

44 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:06:28am

re: #39 Sharmuta

Gross misuse of public funds, imo.

It looks like he made the trips “offical” by meeting with local officials while he was there…sneaky way to get your helicopter rides paid for by the state.

45 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:07:05am

appropros of nothing … the Wall Street Journal ranks the best looking NFL QBs

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

Tom Brady at number 8? Giselle is gonna be pissed!

46 Gus  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:07:50am

re: #44 Desert Dog

It looks like he made the trips “offical” by meeting with local officials while he was there…sneaky way to get your helicopter rides paid for by the state.

Not unlike a “business lunch.” /

47 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:10:33am

re: #35 chicagodudewhotrades

Well, not exactly. Levees that were supposed to be upgraded are not quite done right because the Corps used salt-infused soils in some areas, so that plants and grasses can’t grow to prevent erosion. They’ve got to be fixed.

The pumps being installed to protect areas around NOLA are not getting good reviews.

48 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:11:09am

re: #45 _RememberTonyC

appropros of nothing … the Wall Street Journal ranks the best looking NFL QBs

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

Tom Brady at number 8? Giselle is gonna be pissed!

Thanks…I don’t agree with that list but then again I don’t look at QB’s the same way as a woman…
I do know in the old days…Montana and Elway would show all those guys up..:)

49 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:11:17am
50 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:12:56am

re: #44 Desert Dog

It looks like he made the trips “offical” by meeting with local officials while he was there…sneaky way to get your helicopter rides paid for by the state.

Yes- it is. In my state- legislators are granted an allowance for expenses like traveling back from the Capitol to their districts to deal with business, so I don’t have an issue with traveling expenses. But- it seems to me this is pushing a line. He’s not just meeting with officials, he’s campaigning — in churches. Just rubs me the wrong way.

51 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:13:21am

re: #48 HoosierHoops

Thanks…I don’t agree with that list but then again I don’t look at QB’s the same way as a woman…
I do know in the old days…Montana and Elway would show all those guys up..:)

you always did know a “stud” when you saw one :)

52 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:13:48am

Good freaking grief.

53 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:14:07am

I don’t see this as a “separation of church and state” issue, as even if he were just driving to whatever church is nearest the Governor’s Mansion for his services, he’d still be using a State-owned car, have his security detail, etc. It does, however, seem like very wasteful spending of the taxpayers’ money (unless there is some legitimate reason for these visits). THAT’S the issue.

54 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:16:11am

re: #50 Sharmuta

Just rubs me the wrong way.

in bed?

55 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:16:39am
56 LGoPs  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:16:45am

re: #53 Occasional Reader

I don’t see this as a “separation of church and state” issue, as even if he were just driving to whatever church is nearest the Governor’s Mansion for his services, he’d still be using a State-owned car, have his security detail, etc. It does, however, seem like very wasteful spending of the taxpayers’ money (unless there is some legitimate reason for these visits). THAT’S the issue.

If he was doing this on weekdays I would think there would be no problem. So, is the issue the fact that he is doing it on Sunday’s?

57 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:17:21am

re: #31 lawhawk

I had high hopes for Jindal when he took over from Gov. Blanco following her disastrous run as governor, particularly after Katrina. Now, it looks like he’s simply doing more of the same - wasting taxpayer dollars, pushing a radical agenda in education, and otherwise failing the people of Louisiana.

Oh, and have I mentioned recently that the levees in LA are still horrible and the Army Corps still can’t get them straightened out (and will once again miss deadlines to upgrade)?

And of course, anyone who challenges the mans’ integrity is going to be accused of “hating Christians”.

58 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:17:48am

re: #57 Irish Rose

And of course, anyone who challenges the mans’ integrity is going to be accused of “hating Christians”.

I just got accused of that in the Mark Sanford thread, by the way.

59 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:18:01am

Seems to me such an alleged abuse automatically qualifies Jindal to be an honorary Democrat.

60 Baier  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:18:22am

I don’t understand how these people never get it about planes and helicopters.

61 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:18:46am

re: #50 Sharmuta

Most states allow per diems for transportation and food, but many legislators routinely flout the rules, pocket the money, or otherwise abuse the system.

/I know, go figure.

62 BignJames  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:19:07am

re: #54 Mad Al-Jaffee

in bed?

It’s all fun and games, until someone gets poked in the eye.

63 idioma  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:19:09am

Republicans: Small government and Jesus®

What a platform!

Maybe the GOP would win more people over with their “conservative” message if they actually practiced what they preach. Limited government is a great idea, but we have zero chance of achieving that goal with current proponents.

Until the Republicans are willing to clean house, dump the crazies, stop pandering to fundamentalists, condemn hypocrisy within their ranks, and listen to more people in the center of things; the Democrats will have a free ride.

And that scares me.

64 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:19:12am

re: #45 _RememberTonyC

Tom Brady at number 8? Giselle is gonna be pissed!

Damn. Now she’s gonna demand that I give her the “special” massage tonight, just to calm her down. Oh well…

65 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:19:45am

You had better be closer to God in a helicopter because it’s all hanging on one thrust bearing.

66 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:20:26am

re: #48 HoosierHoops

Thanks…I don’t agree with that list but then again I don’t look at QB’s the same way as a woman…
I do know in the old days…Montana and Elway would show all those guys up..:)

Here’s another list that might interest some ladies, even more than “face symmetry”
Highest NFL Salaries

67 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:20:57am

Gov. Schwartzenegger and Gov. Jindal could do collaborative helicopter tours of their respective States. That way, the former could bellow to the latter, “GET TO THE CHOPPAH!”.

68 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:21:31am

re: #58 Charles

I just got accused of that in the Mark Sanford thread, by the way.

I’m sorry that you have to put up with that kind of thing, Charles.
It’s just not true.

69 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:21:37am

re: #58 Charles

I just got accused of that in the Mark Sanford thread, by the way.

By the deleted one-post wonder?

70 Gus  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:22:08am

re: #65 Ojoe

You had better be closer to God in a helicopter because it’s all hanging on one thrust bearing.

Once that goes you have to auto-rotate and it becomes a hell-o-copter.

//

71 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:22:08am

re: #69 MandyManners

By the deleted one-post wonder?

In bed?

72 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:22:44am

re: #67 Occasional Reader

Gov. Schwartzenegger and Gov. Jindal could do collaborative helicopter tours of their respective States. That way, the former could bellow to the latter, “GET TO THE CHOPPAH!”.

And if Jindal’s helicopter is found to be unsafe to fly, Schwartzenegger could say to him, “Come with me if you want to live.”

73 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:22:51am

Perhaps there was a more economical way to go. It is also pretty well known that I am no fan of Jindal. However, as a governor, he does have a security detail and he does have to get wherever he is going. It is not as if he can just get in the car and zip over to someplace.

I think it is a bit unfair to audit absolutely every trip our elected officials make to the extent that they have to be prisoners in their offices - or that they have to be consigned to only eating oatmeal for dinner. If someone wants to go and pray, or have a decent steak, or whatever, well it’s a tough job, give them a break.

In terms of government money, this is bupkas.

This is not like he was taking the chopper to fly his buddies to an exclusive golf resort for a couple of holes after lunch. It is not as if he took the chopper to go see his mistress.

74 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:23:47am

re: #16 Danny

The helicopter’s a bit much, but doesn’t the US Govt pay for Secret Service to escort Obama to church?

And the State of Louisiana pays for Police Protection for The Governor.

75 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:24:08am

re: #73 LudwigVanQuixote

Steak? No, save the pasture kittehs!!!

76 Danny  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:24:14am

re: #74 unrealizedviewpoint

That was my point.

77 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:24:56am

re: #75 Mad Al-Jaffee

Steak? No, save the pasture kittehs!!!

What is a pasture kittah? Forgive my ignorance…

78 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:25:18am

re: #73 LudwigVanQuixote

I agree that one can go too far in the “what exactly is the Governor spending” routine; he does need to get out into the State, and isn’t supposed to be doing it by bicycle.

The story bothers me somewhat, though, because of a) the seemingly thin official excuse for the trips (although that could be spin/bias on the part of the article author), and b) some of the quasi-evangelizing remarks Jindal apparently made at some of these events.

79 fizzlogic  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:25:35am

re: #63 idioma

Republicans: Small government and Jesus®

Except they were never for small government. And limited government doesn’t apply to fundies. Moreover, they’re right there at the trough for their faith based initiatives.

80 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:25:39am

re: #66 Desert Dog

Here’s another list that might interest some ladies, even more than “face symmetry”
Highest NFL Salaries

You see that doesn’t matter..The SI Highest paid athletes list is what matters..
Have you ever seen Ben in a Commercial? Peyton is on all the time and makes a ton of Money…Football money is chump change to him.. I saw his new house down south..It’s like a freaking Castle! Tiger makes around 70 million per year if I recall…

81 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:25:57am

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

What is a pasture kittah? Forgive my ignorance…

Cows. Those big things they make steaks and hamburgers from.

82 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:26:09am

re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote

Cows.

83 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:26:55am

re: #80 HoosierHoops

You see that doesn’t matter..The SI Highest paid athletes list is what matters..

Beg to differ. The SI Swimsuit Issue is what matters. The rest of the magazine’s annual content is merely filler.

84 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:27:25am

re: #73 LudwigVanQuixote

Perhaps there was a more economical way to go. It is also pretty well known that I am no fan of Jindal. However, as a governor, he does have a security detail and he does have to get wherever he is going. It is not as if he can just get in the car and zip over to someplace.

I think it is a bit unfair to audit absolutely every trip our elected officials make to the extent that they have to be prisoners in their offices - or that they have to be consigned to only eating oatmeal for dinner. If someone wants to go and pray, or have a decent steak, or whatever, well it’s a tough job, give them a break.

In terms of government money, this is bupkas.

This is not like he was taking the chopper to fly his buddies to an exclusive golf resort for a couple of holes after lunch. It is not as if he took the chopper to go see his mistress.

Every trip a Governor makes (or President) can be made into an “offical” visit, even if it is obviously not. That doesn’t make it “right”, of course

85 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:27:26am

re: #78 Occasional Reader

I agree that one can go too far in the “what exactly is the Governor spending” routine; he does need to get out into the State, and isn’t supposed to be doing it by bicycle.

The story bothers me somewhat, though, because of a) the seemingly thin official excuse for the trips (although that could be spin/bias on the part of the article author), and b) some of the quasi-evangelizing remarks Jindal apparently made at some of these events.

I agree. There’s a fine line, imo, between the people funding necessary travel for the Executive, and the people funding travel that includes campaigning and sermonizing.

86 koedo  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:27:48am

I live in Ma. Private use of public owned vehicles goes on all the time. I suspect it is true in many other places, too.

87 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:28:27am

re: #76 Danny

That was my point.

I see that now.
the “but” through me off.

88 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:28:39am

re: #81 Mad Al-Jaffee

Cows. Those big things they make steaks and hamburgers from.

mmm,,,beeefff!!

89 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:30:14am

re: #79 trendsurfer

Except they were never for small government. And limited government doesn’t apply to fundies. Moreover, they’re right there at the trough for their faith based initiatives.

That’s why I call “conservatives” like that Christian Socialists.

90 Dianna  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:30:17am

re: #11 MandyManners

At least he wasn’t boinking a babe in the bayou.

We hope!

91 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:30:25am

Are we sure he wasn’t visiting women?

…Angie, Elizabeth, … Columbia, … Coushatta, Robeline and Anacoco…
92 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:30:56am

I see the right wing blogosphere is advocating that people keep their children out of school to avoid Obama indoctrinating them into his radical socialist agenda.
I suggest wrapping your child’s head in tinfoil to block the cathode ray from the geosynchronous orbiting satellites. Children should be as far away from the satellites as possible; leave the mountains and get to sea level prefereably in a basement. Strobe lights and loud techno music should prevent your child’s brain from normal function just in case some satellite rays get past the foil.
After the speech is over your child should be informed he is dirty and shameful. Wash you child in bleach and scrub vigorously until you child confesses to his shame. Burn all clothing and educational materials within 48 hours of the speech.

93 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:31:37am

re: #78 Occasional Reader

I agree that one can go too far in the “what exactly is the Governor spending” routine; he does need to get out into the State, and isn’t supposed to be doing it by bicycle.

The story bothers me somewhat, though, because of a) the seemingly thin official excuse for the trips (although that could be spin/bias on the part of the article author), and b) some of the quasi-evangelizing remarks Jindal apparently made at some of these events.

That is all fair.

As to the evangelizing, and the creationism and all of the other things that make me pray that Jindal is never president, I am right with you. At that point, the article should be what about the Establishment Clause - and I would be right with it. I loathe Jindal’s politics. I loathe his anti-science.

But I am also reminded of the stories where thus and such had a nice meal, or thus and such flew to visit his family or whatever. Such stories detract from the serious cases of graft and malfeasance by cheapening them. They are also unfair. An elected official to a reasonably high office lives in a fishbowl surrounded by security. It is not particularly kind of the public to give them no respite from that.

94 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:32:05am

re: #92 Killgore Trout

I see the right wing blogosphere is advocating that people keep their children out of school to avoid Obama indoctrinating them into his radical socialist agenda.
I suggest wrapping your child’s head in tinfoil to block the cathode ray from the geosynchronous orbiting satellites. Children should be as far away from the satellites as possible; leave the mountains and get to sea level prefereably in a basement. Strobe lights and loud techno music should prevent your child’s brain from normal function just in case some satellite rays get past the foil.
After the speech is over your child should be informed he is dirty and shameful. Wash you child in bleach and scrub vigorously until you child confesses to his shame. Burn all clothing and educational materials within 48 hours of the speech.

No, that is too much. They should just take their Little Red Books out when Chairman Maobama starts with his lecture.

/

95 Floppydusk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:32:31am

I’m sure the Gubna has vital State interests to attend to (fighting against the planned cash for fetuses stimulus program?) after paying homage to his higher power - I’m sure it will all come out in the hearings that will cost 10X1200/hour

96 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:32:34am

re: #81 Mad Al-Jaffee

re: #82 Bubblehead II

Sorry for my confusion. I don’t speak PETA.

97 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:33:14am

re: #72 Mad Al-Jaffee

And if Jindal’s helicopter is found to be unsafe to fly, Schwartzenegger could say to him, “Come with me if you want to live.”

And then, once he’s seated next to Jindal, he turns, looks to him, and growls, “you are one UGLY motherf…”

98 SixDegrees  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:33:23am

This may or may not have been legal. Most likely, it was. But that’s not really the point.

The point is, the nation - including Louisiana - is cowering at the bottom of a very deep recession that has no end in sight. Unemployment is astronomically high, and getting higher. People’s life savings have been cut in half, or in some cases wiped out, and the value of their homes has suffered a similar fate, leaving many fixed income citizens and those about to retire in financial shambles.

Galavanting around the state in a helicopter at taxpayer expense to attend non-essential functions under these circumstances practically screams “Up yours!” to Jindal’s constituents. It charges straight through tone deafness into an aria of self-indulgence and abuse of power and resources. It’s not like he’s out inspecting flood damage or crop failures or other pressing state business. He’s flesh-pressing, pure and simple.

It’s disgusting.

99 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:34:25am

re: #92 Killgore Trout

I see the right wing blogosphere is advocating that people keep their children out of school to avoid Obama indoctrinating them into his radical socialist agenda.
I suggest wrapping your child’s head in tinfoil to block the cathode ray from the geosynchronous orbiting satellites. Children should be as far away from the satellites as possible; leave the mountains and get to sea level prefereably in a basement. Strobe lights and loud techno music should prevent your child’s brain from normal function just in case some satellite rays get past the foil.
After the speech is over your child should be informed he is dirty and shameful. Wash you child in bleach and scrub vigorously until you child confesses to his shame. Burn all clothing and educational materials within 48 hours of the speech.

Funny.

You missed this:

GlennBeckRapedAndMurderedAYoungGirlIn1990 . com

Welcome
This site exists to probe the vicious rumour that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. We don’t claim to know the truth — only that there’s a rumour floating around saying that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. So we’re going to do our part to try and help get to the bottom of this.

PLEASE NOTE
This site is NOT the origination of this meme! Merely the hub of the meme at this point. See the “Origination” link on the left for the exact origin. Also, if you write about this site and I find it, I might link you. If you want to be proactive, send me an email (link to the left) - I’ll get you soon as I can. BIG TIP: Check out the very bottom of the page for a secret.

snip

Notice: This site is parody/satire. We assume Glenn Beck did not rape and murder a young girl in 1990, although we haven’t yet seen proof that he didn’t. But we think Glenn Beck definitely uses tactics like this to spread lies and misinformation.

and this.

I suggest you start policing your own.

100 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:35:18am

Can someone say big changes a-coming down at the SCOTUS?

In Staff Move by Justice Stevens, Some See Signal

The beginning of a liberal court?

101 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:36:30am

I can’t believe Ben Hur didn’t give me an upding for a Predator “GET TO THE CHOPPAH!” reference.

Something is very, very wrong here at LGF.

/

102 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:36:37am

re: #92 Killgore Trout

I agree with your sentiment. This is ridiculous! My 1st president when I was in grammar school was Ike, followed by Kennedy, Johnson etc etc. Each year in class I fondly remember the day that the President would make his “pep talk” speech to us, listening raptly and studiously taking notes that I readily passed in to my teacher for my well deserved pat on the head

Ahhh ,,, what memories!

103 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:36:39am

Monkeys Appreciate Monkey Music and Metallica

He added, “Music is a human construct designed for humans. Absolutely everything about human music is based on human development and perception, from the speeds of the pulses to how high the melodies are. Every part of human music is based on human appeal.”

To create music with more monkey appeal, Teie composed pieces using specific features in the tamarin calls, manipulating rising or falling pitches and the duration of various sounds. The music was inspired by sounds the tamarins make to convey one of two messages: fear and friendly affiliation.

Regular human music was also played to the monkeys, which predictably showed little response, except for a very surprising, calming response to the heavy metal band Metallica.

104 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:36:46am

re: #100 Desert Dog

Can someone say big changes a-coming down at the SCOTUS?

In Staff Move by Justice Stevens, Some See Signal

The beginning of a liberal court?

No- Stevens is a liberal. The Court’s balance would remain unchanged.

105 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:37:03am

re: #90 Dianna

We hope!

He is one politician I would not suspect of doing the deed with someone other than his spouse. But, hey. Human nature surprises me all the time.

106 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:37:39am

re: #65 Ojoe

You had better be closer to God in a helicopter because it’s all hanging on one thrust bearing.

Well, when I was a Huey crew-chief, we did call the single nut that held the main rotor on, “The Jesus Nut.” It is item number 8 in the diagram linked.

107 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:38:04am

re: #101 Occasional Reader

I can’t believe Ben Hur didn’t give me an upding for a Predator “GET TO THE CHOPPAH!” reference.

Something is very, very wrong here at LGF.

/

WHere?!?

108 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:38:21am

re: #92 Killgore Trout

I see the right wing blogosphere is advocating that people keep their children out of school to avoid Obama indoctrinating them into his radical socialist agenda.
I suggest wrapping your child’s head in tinfoil to block the cathode ray from the geosynchronous orbiting satellites. Children should be as far away from the satellites as possible; leave the mountains and get to sea level prefereably in a basement. Strobe lights and loud techno music should prevent your child’s brain from normal function just in case some satellite rays get past the foil.
After the speech is over your child should be informed he is dirty and shameful. Wash you child in bleach and scrub vigorously until you child confesses to his shame. Burn all clothing and educational materials within 48 hours of the speech.

Yes this is truly insane. G-d forbid the President encourage school kids to learn and make something of themselves.

Disconnect!

I have this image of the far right tinfoil folks holding stiffly pointing their fingers at non-pod-people and shrieking - thus calling the other changelings into action.

109 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:38:29am

re: #81 Mad Al-Jaffee

Cows. Those big things they make steaks and hamburgers from.

Steaks AND hamburgers?

Heh heh… yes, M A-J… a wonderful, magical animal.


/everything in life has an appropriate Simpsons quote

110 thedopefishlives  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:38:38am

re: #106 CyanSnowHawk

Well, when I was a Huey crew-chief, we did call the single nut that held the main rotor on, “The Jesus Nut.” It is item number 8 in the diagram linked.

I work in materials science at the moment. I don’t think I could EVER trust my life to a single point of failure.

/Then again, I probably do it multiple times a day without thinking

111 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:39:02am

re: #99 Ben Hur

It seems to be a parody of Beck’s fact free “news” program.

I suggest you start policing your own.

My own what? I have nothing to do with fark commenters.

112 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:39:04am

re: #106 CyanSnowHawk

Well, when I was a Huey crew-chief, we did call the single nut that held the main rotor on, “The Jesus Nut.” It is item number 8 in the diagram linked.

Why? If it fails you are meeting Jesus within seconds?

113 Gus  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:39:18am

re: #95 Floppydusk

Fetuses stimulus program? What the heck is that about?

114 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:39:33am

re: #111 Killgore Trout

It seems to be a parody of Beck’s fact free “news” program.

My own what? I have nothing to do with fark commenters.

Nice try.

115 DaChew  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:39:35am

You’d think a Republican would be sensitive to the proper use of the company helicopter. This reminds me of the Clinton staff using Air Force One to go on golf outings. I still remember the picture of the Marine Corps soldier saluting the golf bag.

116 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:39:43am

re: #104 Sharmuta

No- Stevens is a liberal. The Court’s balance would remain unchanged.

He has been more of a moderate, certainly not conservative. But, his replacement will be firmly liberal, I would guess. Of course, Justices have a habit of doing what they want once they are in.

117 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:39:53am

re: #100 Desert Dog

Can someone say big changes a-coming down at the SCOTUS?

In Staff Move by Justice Stevens, Some See Signal

The beginning of a liberal court?

Bzzz. Wrong. Stevens is a liberal on the court. If he leaves the bench, Obama would replace him with another liberal. It’s a swap, not a change. It would leave the makeup fundamentally unchanged.

I have expected Stevens to retire at some point, followed by Ginsberg. Scalia would be next after that. Only if Kennedy or Scalia or Thomas retire would there be a sea-change possible in the court’s makeup.

118 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:40:11am

re: #106 CyanSnowHawk

Well, when I was a Huey crew-chief, we did call the single nut that held the main rotor on, “The Jesus Nut.” It is item number 8 in the diagram linked.

Oh, no.

Now you’ve got Killgore worried about “Jesus Nuts infiltrating our military!”.

119 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:40:22am

re: #106 CyanSnowHawk

Well, when I was a Huey crew-chief, we did call the single nut that held the main rotor on, “The Jesus Nut.” It is item number 8 in the diagram linked.

You start praying if it breaks?

120 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:40:53am

re: #106 CyanSnowHawk

Yep, it’ll be there somewhere.

My uncle, who flew skyhawks off carriers, did not like to fly in copters.

Sometimes nothing else will do however.

& I’ve always wanted to see where the metal of the engine supports bolts through to the wood on a De Havilland Mosquito.

121 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:40:54am

re: #103 Killgore Trout

There you have it.

Metallica can cause calming…

(some dirty language in video)

122 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:40:58am

re: #109 Occasional Reader

Steaks AND hamburgers?

Heh heh… yes, M A-J… a wonderful, magical animal.


/everything in life has an appropriate Simpsons quote

When I grow up, I’m going to Bovine University!

123 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:41:00am

re: #114 Ben Hur

O have no control over what’s posted on fark. Do you think that’s me posting on fark? Your ODS is getting the better of you.

124 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:41:02am

re: #107 Ben Hur

WHere?!?

#67

125 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:41:06am

re: #73 LudwigVanQuixote

Perhaps there was a more economical way to go. It is also pretty well known that I am no fan of Jindal. However, as a governor, he does have a security detail and he does have to get wherever he is going. It is not as if he can just get in the car and zip over to someplace.

I think it is a bit unfair to audit absolutely every trip our elected officials make to the extent that they have to be prisoners in their offices - or that they have to be consigned to only eating oatmeal for dinner. If someone wants to go and pray, or have a decent steak, or whatever, well it’s a tough job, give them a break.

In terms of government money, this is bupkas.

This is not like he was taking the chopper to fly his buddies to an exclusive golf resort for a couple of holes after lunch. It is not as if he took the chopper to go see his mistress.

It’s easy enough to drive to a local church if you want to worship… every city, town, village and burg has at least one or two and they all welcome visitors. You don’t need a full staff and a helicopter to visit a local congregation.

The problem for me isn’t the fact that he’s attending church. It looks as though he’s being very SELECTIVE about the churches that attends… and I’d like to know why. I’d like to know who invited him to worship in those churches, and I’d like to know what he does when he attends those churches. If he’s only attending one type of church because that is his choice, then he’s within his right to do so.

But if there’s an agenda involved here that Jindal is not being honest about, and there is some misuse of public funds involved here, then I think that LA taxpayers deserve to know the truth.

126 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:41:19am

re: #106 CyanSnowHawk

Well, when I was a Huey crew-chief, we did call the single nut that held the main rotor on, “The Jesus Nut.” It is item number 8 in the diagram linked.

I’m more a fan of Item 7, the Nut lock!

127 Ojoe  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:41:42am

re: #106 CyanSnowHawk

& thanks for the diagram.

128 thedopefishlives  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:42:14am

re: #125 Irish Rose

The converse could be true; he could also be trying to avoid Jeremiah Wright-type churches. But, one never knows.

129 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:42:15am

re: #116 Desert Dog

He has been more of a moderate, certainly not conservative. But, his replacement will be firmly liberal, I would guess. Of course, Justices have a habit of doing what they want once they are in.

The article listed him as a liberal, and I don’t recall a single “moderate” decision of his. He’s a liberal. Don’t panic about the Court until a constructionist steps down.

130 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:42:17am

re: #125 Irish Rose

It’s easy enough to drive to a local church if you want to worship… every city, town, village and burg has at least one or two and they all welcome visitors. You don’t need a full staff and a helicopter to visit a local congregation.

The problem for me isn’t the fact that he’s attending church. It looks as though he’s being very SELECTIVE about the churches that attends… and I’d like to know why. I’d like to know who invited him to worship in those churches, and I’d like to know what he does when he attends those churches. If he’s only attending one type of church because that is his choice, then he’s within his right to do so.

But if there’s an agenda involved here that Jindal is not being honest about, and there is some misuse of public funds involved here, then I think that LA taxpayers deserve to know the truth.

This is very fair. You are certainly correct in all of your points.

131 Floppydusk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:42:31am

re: #113 Gus 802

Eliminating a major drag on the health care system - people

132 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:42:55am

re: #81 Mad Al-Jaffee

Cows. Those big things they make steaks and hamburgers from.

One day, I’m going to own a farm. I’m going to have animals on this farm, and I’m going to name them with appropriate names. The cow’s name will be “dinner”, the pig’s name will be “breakfast”, the chicken’s name will be “brunch”, etc.

133 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:43:07am

re: #92 Killgore Trout

I suggest wrapping your child’s head in tinfoil to block the cathode ray from the geosynchronous orbiting satellites.


If they weren’t raising the kids as such anodes, that wouldn’t be a problem.

134 subsailor68  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:43:10am

Hi all! Well, it looks like there may be a shift in strategy from Obama on the health care thingy. As a public service to all my friends here, I’ll let senior adviser David Axelrod explain clearly just what the new approach will be (and save you all the time to wade through the entire thing):

Under fire, President Obama shifts strategy

subsailor68: So, Mr. Axelrod, what’s the new strategy?”

“We’re entering a new season,” senior adviser David Axelrod said in a telephone interview. “It’s time to synthesize and harmonize these strands and get this done. We’re confident that we can do that. But obviously it is a different phase. We’re going to approach it in a different way. The president is going to be very active.”

subsailor68: Uh, excuse me, I have no idea what you just said. Is the new strategy supposed to speed up the deal?

“I’m not going to put a date on any of this,” Axelrod said. “But I think it’s fairly obvious that we’re not in the second inning. We’re not in the fourth inning. We’re in the eighth or ninth inning here, and so there’s not a lot of time to waste.”

subsailor68: What? Are we talking baseball here? What’s the President’s strategy?

“His goal is to create the best possible situation for consumers, create competition and choice,” Axelrod said. “We want to bring a measure of security to people who have health insurance today. We want to help those who don’t have coverage today, because they can’t afford it, get insurance they can afford. And we want to do it in a way that reduces the overall cost of the system as a whole.”

subsailor68: Well, that’s the first thing you’ve said that made any sense. Now we’re getting somewhere. But how the heck can you do all that stuff and reduce cost at the same time?

Axelrod said he isn’t worried. “Part of it is born of long experience,” he said. “In Washington, every day is Election Day. I’d be lying to you if I told you I don’t look at polls — I do. But I’ve also learned that you have to keep your eye on the horizon here and not get bogged down. I am not Polyannish, but I am also not given to the hysteria that’s endemic to this town.”

subsailor68: What the heck are you talking about?

Axelrod: “Actually, I have no idea.”

(Okay, I made the last quote up.)

;-)

135 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:43:16am

re: #123 Killgore Trout

O have no control over what’s posted on fark. Do you think that’s me posting on fark? Your ODS is getting the better of you.

No.

I think we get daily example of your research about how the right needs to act at protests, town halls, on line, in their comments (yes, you comment about the comments at other blogs), ETC ETC ETC ETC,

and you’re going to seriously right off a site that is trying to spread a rumour about someone RAPING AND KILLING A GIRL and covering for it that it’s PARODY?

Nice try.

That site is WAY over the top.

Try to be consistent.

136 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:43:37am

re: #125 Irish Rose

about, and there is some misuse of public funds involved here, then I think that LA taxpayers deserve to know the truth.

Misuse of public funds? In Louisiana?! Oh, come on! Tell me another one!


/

137 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:43:59am

re: #125 Irish Rose

He’s targeting churches in an area of Louisiana he needs to maintain his job.

138 tveitskog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:44:30am

Christians are citizens and voters too. Where are you going to find a large group of your supporters on Sunday? If he was going to the same church every Sunday, then there could be a problem. I think some Jindal hater is making a mountain out of a molehill.

139 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:44:31am

And frankly I’m surprised no one else has commented about it.

140 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:45:28am

And AGAIN, I can’t stand Beck, etiher.

141 MJ  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:45:35am

re: #138 tveitskog

Christians are citizens and voters too. Where are you going to find a large group of your supporters on Sunday? If he was going to the same church every Sunday, then there could be a problem. I think some Jindal hater is making a mountain out of a molehill.

Then these are campaign stops and public funds should not be used.

142 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:45:42am

re: #136 Occasional Reader

Misuse of public funds? In Louisiana?! Oh, come on! Tell me another one!


/

Louisiana has a Long history of corruption.

143 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:45:43am

re: #137 Sharmuta

He’s targeting churches in an area of Louisiana he needs to maintain his job.

If this is true, then clearly he ought not be campaigning on th public dime when he should be working.

I will withdraw my defense of him.

144 Danny  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:45:50am

re: #125 Irish Rose

It’s easy enough to drive to a local church if you want to worship… every city, town, village and burg has at least one or two and they all welcome visitors. You don’t need a full staff and a helicopter to visit a local congregation.

As Jindal’s political profile has risen, so has the need for more security. Not saying he hasn’t abused the office, just noting why he can’t just drive around by himself.

145 idioma  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:45:54am

re: #73 LudwigVanQuixote

Perhaps there was a more economical way to go. It is also pretty well known that I am no fan of Jindal. However, as a governor, he does have a security detail and he does have to get wherever he is going. It is not as if he can just get in the car and zip over to someplace.

I think it is a bit unfair to audit absolutely every trip our elected officials make to the extent that they have to be prisoners in their offices - or that they have to be consigned to only eating oatmeal for dinner. If someone wants to go and pray, or have a decent steak, or whatever, well it’s a tough job, give them a break.

In terms of government money, this is bupkas.

This is not like he was taking the chopper to fly his buddies to an exclusive golf resort for a couple of holes after lunch. It is not as if he took the chopper to go see his mistress.

That’s all well and good, if we were speaking about some hypothetical governor from State X. But this is Bobby-Effing-Jindal. A guy that rants about big government, wasteful spending and such. He chastised budgeting for Volcano Monitoring, even though he represents a state that might know a thing or two about natural disasters.

You don’t get to wear the Conservative Hat, and then jetset around your state, it does not compute.

146 Gus  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:46:02am

re: #99 Ben Hur

I don’t see how your links connect in any way with what KT posted.

147 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:46:21am

re: #142 MandyManners

Nooo!

148 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:46:24am

re: #138 tveitskog

Christians are citizens and voters too. Where are you going to find a large group of your supporters on Sunday? If he was going to the same church every Sunday, then there could be a problem. I think some Jindal hater is making a mountain out of a molehill.

Let him pay for his own campaign.

149 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:46:46am

Why the down-ding, Charles?

150 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:47:04am

I read that Jindal graduated from Brown in biology and public policy, and he went on to be a Rhodes Scholar, noch. However, he supports the teaching of ID in public schools. I can’t believe that the teaching of Biology at Brown was that bad, in fact, Ken Miller was probably teaching around the time that Jindal was an undergraduate.///

151 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:47:11am

re: #141 MJ

Then these are campaign stops and public funds should not be used.

I don’t want my tax money to pay for Obama’s constant campaigning either.

152 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:47:24am

re: #146 Gus 802

I don’t see how your links connect in any way with what KT posted.

Covered in a following post.

153 snowcrash  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:47:54am

re: #99 Ben Hur
The second link site is trying to add race to the slanderous accusations! OMG this is depraved.

154 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:47:59am

re: #145 idioma

That’s all well and good, if we were speaking about some hypothetical governor from State X. But this is Bobby-Effing-Jindal. A guy that rants about big government, wasteful spending and such. He chastised budgeting for Volcano Monitoring, even though he represents a state that might know a thing or two about natural disasters.

You don’t get to wear the Conservative Hat, and then jetset around your state, it does not compute.

Sharm and Irish Rose pointed out that he is campaigning on the public dime. I withdrew my dense of him.

155 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:47:59am

Allow me to go contrarian here for a moment - not out of conviction but in the interest of making sure we are all using the same standards here.

The POTUS (the current and all of the modern formers) get carted around to church on Sundays all of the time. They all make a show of it too.

Certainly, when Clinton was being impeached, his church visits (as well as his hosting different spiritual counselors) were quite public.

I have always found the whole “prayer breakfast” thing and the “national day of prayer” and the over the top church going to be a bit bothersome. perhaps there was a time when Church going was so normative that to not go was a statement. But the modern presidency makes it a statement. The pandering is thick and transparent.

So singling out Jindal (not that I am a fan) follows a certain line that correlates the pandering with a political group (Republicans/Conservatives) when the pandering really does cross party lines.

Public figures exploit the pulpit regardless of party. And they have done it at tax payer expense for a long time.

156 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:48:00am

re: #138 tveitskog

Christians are citizens and voters too. Where are you going to find a large group of your supporters on Sunday? If he was going to the same church every Sunday, then there could be a problem. I think some Jindal hater is making a mountain out of a molehill.

And Republicans are supposed to be responsible with the public’s money.

157 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:48:25am

re: #142 MandyManners

Louisiana has a Long history of corruption.

Just wait till King Fish sees you posted that..A nice new pair of gray Concrete shoes…With 3 inch heels…

158 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:48:27am

re: #154 ludwigvanquixote

Sharm and Irish Rose pointed out that he is campaigning on the public dime. I withdrew my dense of him.

PIMF defense withdrawn.

159 thedopefishlives  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:48:31am

re: #156 Sharmuta

And Republicans are supposed to be responsible with the public’s money.

*snort*

Pull the other one.

160 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:48:34am

re: #156 Sharmuta

And Republicans are supposed to be responsible with the public’s money.

Make the enemy live up to their own rules.

161 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:49:20am

re: #154 ludwigvanquixote

Sharm and Irish Rose pointed out that he is campaigning on the public dime. I withdrew my dense of him.

You have done the same for Obama, right?

162 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:49:28am

From Wiki:

Jindal was raised in a Hindu household, but converted to Christianity during high school; and during his first year at Brown University, he was baptized Roman Catholic. The Jindal family attends weekly Mass at Saint Aloysius Parish in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.[12] Jindal’s Catholic faith includes a solidarity with other Christian denominations; he has given speeches and offered religious testimony before Baptist and Pentecostal congregations.

Do we know if the churches that he attended were all Catholic churches?

The devout Catholics that I know typically don’t worship with other denominations on their Holy Day. They seek out a Catholic mass in whatever city they happen to be visiting. And if they can’t find a local mass, they’ll travel to a nearby town to get to one.

163 jcm  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:49:40am

re: #106 CyanSnowHawk

Well, when I was a Huey crew-chief, we did call the single nut that held the main rotor on, “The Jesus Nut.” It is item number 8 in the diagram linked.

All provided and assembled by the low bidder…

164 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:49:46am

re: #112 HoosierHoops

Why? If it fails you are meeting Jesus within seconds?

Yes. There was also something about say “oh Jesus” if it ever came off.

165 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:49:57am

Fabienne: Whose motorcycle is this?

“Butch” Jindal: It’s a chopper, baby.

Fabienne: Whose chopper is this?

Butch: It’s FiscalResponsibility’s.

Fabienne: Who’s FiscalResponsibility?

Butch: FiscalResponsibility’s dead, baby. FiscalResponsibility’s dead.

-Pulpit Fiction

166 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:50:08am

re: #160 kansas

Make the enemy live up to their own rules.

I thought we could try to make the folks on our team do that. I mean, if they’re going to claim it as an official position to exercise fiscal responsibility- they might want to try practicing that before the electorate realizes they’re hypocrites.

167 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:50:33am

re: #151 kansas

I don’t want my tax money to pay for Obama’s constant campaigning either.

A President is always campaigning. Being President is probably the most political job there is.

168 doubter4444  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:50:50am

And another one bites the dust.

169 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:50:50am

re: #161 kansas

You have done the same for Obama, right?

Who is defending Obama for any similar activities?

170 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:51:05am

re: #166 Sharmuta

I thought we could try to make the folks on our team do that. I mean, if they’re going to claim it as an official position to exercise fiscal responsibility- they might want to try practicing that before the electorate realizes they’re hypocrites.

It looks like it was 45,000 not 7,000,000,000,000.

171 SFGoth  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:51:06am

Can’t wait for a Muslim governor or politician to get his free ride to the mosque at taxpayer expense, then watch the Christian fundies go nuts.

172 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:51:21am

re: #168 doubter4444

And another one bites the dust.

test

173 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:51:33am

Sorry.

Thought you meant me.

174 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:51:40am

re: #161 kansas

You have done the same for Obama, right?

Obama can still have a steak for dinner - even a Kobe steak - just like Bush and Clinton and Bush and Reagan got to have good meals to. Carter can be relegated to a grits only diet however.

175 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:52:03am

re: #155 karmic_inquisitor

Allow me to go contrarian here for a moment - not out of conviction but in the interest of making sure we are all using the same standards here.

The POTUS (the current and all of the modern formers) get carted around to church on Sundays all of the time. They all make a show of it too.

Certainly, when Clinton was being impeached, his church visits (as well as his hosting different spiritual counselors) were quite public.

I have always found the whole “prayer breakfast” thing and the “national day of prayer” and the over the top church going to be a bit bothersome. perhaps there was a time when Church going was so normative that to not go was a statement. But the modern presidency makes it a statement. The pandering is thick and transparent.

So singling out Jindal (not that I am a fan) follows a certain line that correlates the pandering with a political group (Republicans/Conservatives) when the pandering really does cross party lines.

Public figures exploit the pulpit regardless of party. And they have done it at tax payer expense for a long time.

I think he will be able to show he was “within” the law with these visits, as he met with local leaders and probably gave cursory lip service to “state business”. Of course, the fact that it meets some legality requirements does not make it right. It is hypocritical of Jindal, the Champion of Spending Restraint, to splurge on these trips.

176 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:52:22am

re: #170 kansas

So- it’s okay if it’s $45,000 of money being wasted in a recession?

177 Danny  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:52:29am

re: #162 Irish Rose


Do we know if the churches that he attended were all Catholic churches?
.

I don’t see why that matters, but they were not all Catholic.

178 nonic  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:52:40am

It might be good to see a governor visiting around his or her state once a week — say, off hours on weekends — to keep in touch with the people and hear their concerns and viewpoints. It might be not a bad thing for different church groups to invite a governor known to be religious to visit their church services, even to have coffee and Danish afterwards.

179 Hanoch  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:52:51am

According to the article, “Jindal said … that he does not seek out congregations to address. He said he visits a church when he receives an invitation … He said the visits give him a chance to talk to citizens.”

Is it really that unusual for a state Governor to travel within his state to meet with citizens? I would think not. Why is it a big deal if he does so on Sunday and also happens to attend church services?

180 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:53:09am

re: #110 thedopefishlives

I work in materials science at the moment. I don’t think I could EVER trust my life to a single point of failure.

/Then again, I probably do it multiple times a day without thinking

It’s a very reliable system, and the nut is held on with more than just a good bit of torque (600ft-lb. IIRC). It’s got a safety lock as well, you can see it in the diagram.

181 opnion  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:53:11am

Jindal has some explaining to do. If there is a legitimate reason he should get it out there.
Consider this though, when Obama took his family to Paris with him, Michelle decided that she & the girls needed fish & chips.
They hopped a government plane & flew to London to go to a real English pub. Wonder who got the tab for that?

182 idioma  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:53:16am

re: #154 ludwigvanquixote

Sharm and Irish Rose pointed out that he is campaigning on the public dime. I withdrew my dense of him.

LOL at “dense of him.”

183 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:53:19am

re: #170 kansas

It looks like it was 45,000 not 7,000,000,000,000.

I think one cent is too much.

184 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:53:20am

re: #165 Occasional Reader

“Say fiscal responsibility again. I dare you! I double dare you, motherf*er!”

185 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:53:27am

re: #176 Sharmuta

So- it’s okay if it’s $45,000 of money being wasted in a recession?

Well it looks to me like he is being invited to speak to his constituents and traveling by helicopter. I am not seeing the problem.

186 thedopefishlives  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:53:51am

re: #185 kansas

You spend campaign money on that, not state money.

187 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:54:18am

re: #186 thedopefishlives

You spend campaign money on that, not state money.

Right.

188 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:54:23am

re: #165 Occasional Reader

Fabienne: Whose motorcycle is this?

“Butch” Jindal: It’s a chopper, baby.

Fabienne: Whose chopper is this?

Butch: It’s FiscalResponsibility’s.

Fabienne: Who’s FiscalResponsibility?

Butch: FiscalResponsibility’s dead, baby. FiscalResponsibility’s dead.

-Pulpit Fiction

Just as long as you don’t lose your LGF privileges… or else you get gone, and you’ll stay gone. -Marcellus “stinky beaumont” wallace

189 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:54:29am

re: #168 doubter4444

And another one bites the dust.

Another GOP contestant in the Marlon Brando acting contest:

“I could have been a contender.”

190 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:54:54am

Here is an example of what i am talking about regarding both sides exploiting religiosity.

An atheist group called Secular Coalition for America took Nancy Pelosi to task for some of her remarks she made when defending BHO’s attendance at Rev Wright’s whackodrome of a church.

[Link: www.secular.org…]

In response to a question raising concerns about the church Senator Obama had attended until recently, you replied, “No. Look, I am just glad he went to church.” The clear implication of your words is that any church is better than no church. Unfortunate comments such as this reinforce the negative stereotypes that attending church should, in fact, be a prerequisite for becoming President and Americans who do not are less fit for office.

Could not agree more. And I am not an atheist.

191 saberry0530  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:54:54am

re: #180 CyanSnowHawk

It’s a very reliable system, and the nut is held on with more than just a good bit of torque (600ft-lb. IIRC). It’s got a safety lock as well, you can see it in the diagram.

Like I said Item #7..

192 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:54:56am

re: #184 Killgore Trout

What does fiscal responsibility look like?

193 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:54:57am

re: #160 kansas

Make the enemy live up to their own rules.

Because if a Dem teals it is now ok if a Republican does? I fail to see the logic. I also fail to see the Dems as the enemy. I may not like all that they say or do, but I think those like Bin Laden and the Dinnerjacket are the enemy.

194 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:55:12am

re: #182 idioma

LOL at “dense of him.”

Yeah typos kill!

195 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:55:33am

re: #192 lawhawk

What does fiscal responsibility look like?

I know it when I see it.

196 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:55:36am

re: #188 lawhawk

Just as long as you don’t lose your LGF privileges… or else you get gone, and you’ll stay gone. -Marcellus “stinky beaumont” wallace

“SAY PUBLIC OPTION AGAIN MOTHERF***ER!”

197 HelloDare  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:55:45am

There goes the neighborhood.

Mount Vernon to award Glenn Beck key to city

The mayor of Mount Vernon has made it official. Mayor Bud Norris says he will give the key to his city to conservative talk show host Glenn Beck on September 26.

Norris says Beck will deliver a short talk that night and become the first person to receive a key to the city in the six years Norris has been mayor.

Protesters from the Skagit County Young Democrats walked outside city hall Tuesday with protest signs, one reading “Change the locks!”

They called it “totally inappropriate” to give a man who labeled President Barack Obama a “racist” a key to the city.

Norris told KOMO News the key does not represent city approval of every comment that Beck may make, but recognizes a local boy who made it big.

Norris says he knew Beck when the talk show host was just 12 years old. He said he remembers the tyke carrying a sandwich board saying “Vote for Norris for county commissioner” up and down Mount Vernon’s First Street.

He said he and Beck’s parents were friends, but said this is not a political payback for campaigning decades ago. He said this is merely a recognition of someone who is from Mount Vernon.

198 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:55:55am

re: #179 Hanoch

According to the article, “Jindal said … that he does not seek out congregations to address. He said he visits a church when he receives an invitation … He said the visits give him a chance to talk to citizens.”

Is it really that unusual for a state Governor to travel within his state to meet with citizens? I would think not. Why is it a big deal if he does so on Sunday and also happens to attend church services?

Interesting…We are talking Louisiana…church is the place to meet with the folk. No?

199 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:56:27am

Wow.

200 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:56:37am

re: #193 ludwigvanquixote

Because if a Dem teals it is now ok if a Republican does? I fail to see the logic. I also fail to see the Dems as the enemy. I may not like all that they say or do, but I think those like Bin Laden and the Dinnerjacket are the enemy.

The Dems seem to see the Repubs and enemies. Anyway, I am pretty sure Bin Laden and Dinner J, are simply objects of an overseas contingency operation.

201 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:56:47am

Ah, a thread in the afternoon that mixes a few of my favorite things - Metallica, politics, and Pulp Fiction quotes - and they’re all interchangeable.

202 doubter4444  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:56:52am

re: #16 Danny

The helicopter’s a bit much, but doesn’t the US Govt pay for Secret Service to escort Obama to church?

What does that have to do with anything?
Or are you implying that POTUS should not have security?
Or that he should pay for said security himself?
Or that anything he does is bad and can used as an excuse for any others misbehavior?

What do you mean?

203 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:57:11am

re: #198 unrealizedviewpoint

Interesting…We are talking Louisiana…church is the place to meet with the folk. No?

204 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:57:19am

re: #192 lawhawk

What does fiscal responsibility look like?

Nobody really knows, it is an elusive creature, not seen very often in these parts.

205 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:57:32am

re: #195 MandyManners

I know it when I see it.

Does FiscalResponsibility look like a b**ch?

DOES FISCALRESPONSIBILITY LOOK LIKE A B**CH?!

206 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:57:33am

re: #138 tveitskog

Christians are citizens and voters too. Where are you going to find a large group of your supporters on Sunday? If he was going to the same church every Sunday, then there could be a problem. I think some Jindal hater is making a mountain out of a molehill.

Christians should not be in the business of whoring out their pulpits to politicians on ANY day of the week.

My two cents.

207 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:57:42am

re: #198 unrealizedviewpoint

Interesting…We are talking Louisiana…church is the place to meet with the folk. No?

Well ,,, there and Bourban street and dinner at Emerils!

208 snowcrash  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:57:46am

re: #173 Ben Hur
Me too. I clicked your avatar. lol Kind of sad that no one will comment on the story but it just isn’t that interesting. A man falsely accused of rape and murder for giggles is a pretty boring story.

209 doubter4444  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:58:42am

re: #172 Ben Hur

test

?
I see the comment below… but to be clear, I meant Jindal, not you.
Unless you are biteing the dust, and if I’m sorry that is happening to you.

210 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:58:47am

re: #206 Irish Rose

Christians should not be in the business of whoring out their pulpits to politicians on ANY day of the week.

My two cents.

He’s the governer of the state.

211 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:59:06am

re: #205 Occasional Reader

Does FiscalResponsibility look like a b**ch?

DOES FISCALRESPONSIBILITY LOOK LIKE A B**CH?!

Do you know what they call “fiscal responsibilty” in Paris?

212 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:59:14am

re: #127 Ojoe

& thanks for the diagram.

I was very familiar with that piece of equipment. Introduce my head to the stabilizer bars (item 1) on more than one occasion. They were approximately 6ft above the top of the cabin. I’m 6’3”.

213 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:59:26am

re: #200 kansas

The Dems seem to see the Repubs and enemies. Anyway, I am pretty sure Bin Laden and Dinner J, are simply objects of an overseas contingency operation.

The Dems aren’t encouraging people to scream at town halls or to show up with guns or announcing that the GOP want’s to kill your granny. What is this about contingencies though? What do you mean by that? I really don’t understand.

214 thedopefishlives  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:59:29am

re: #210 kansas

He’s the governer of the state.

So? What makes him special? Churches have lost their tax-exempt status for doing stuff like this.

215 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:59:29am

re: #205 Occasional Reader

Does FiscalResponsibility look like a b**ch?

DOES FISCALRESPONSIBILITY LOOK LIKE A B**CH?!

Check out the big brain on OR! You’re right… and the USA doesn’t like it when you’re not fiscally responsible…

216 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:59:43am

re: #210 kansas

He’s the governer of the state.

He’s the governor of the state. And I hardly think that gives him license to spend state resources on what look to be taxpayer funded campaign stops every Sunday.

217 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:59:43am

re: #211 Mad Al-Jaffee

Lol

218 quickjustice  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:59:56am

I doubt that it’s Bobby’s personal piety we’re talking about here. More likely, it’s campaign trips.

219 LGoPs  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:00:01pm

re: #205 Occasional Reader

Does FiscalResponsibility look like a b**ch?

DOES FISCALRESPONSIBILITY LOOK LIKE A B**CH?!

WHAT?

220 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:00:12pm

re: #211 Mad Al-Jaffee

Do you know what they call “fiscal responsibilty” in Paris?

A Royale Governor McCheese?

221 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:00:12pm

re: #211 Mad Al-Jaffee

Do you know what they call “fiscal responsibilty” in Paris?

Higher taxes.

222 Dianna  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:00:18pm

re: #208 snowcrash

Me too. I clicked your avatar. lol Kind of sad that no one will comment on the story but it just isn’t that interesting. A man falsely accused of rape and murder for giggles is a pretty boring story.

I’m afraid to say anything.

223 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:00:20pm

re: #219 LGoPs

WHAT?

They speak English in WHAT?

224 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:00:24pm

re: #211 Mad Al-Jaffee

Do you know what they call “fiscal responsibilty” in Paris?

“responsabilité Royale”

225 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:00:26pm

re: #192 lawhawk

What does fiscal responsibility look like?

Probably like a waiter in a fancy restaurant cutting up your American Express card on Valentine’s day..
Welcome to the new world order

226 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:00:28pm

re: #214 thedopefishlives

So? What makes him special? Churches have lost their tax-exempt status for doing stuff like this.

Apparently not the political venue of the Reverend Wright.

227 Altermite  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:01:11pm

re: #210 kansas

He’s the governer of the state.

Yes. And she said that christians should not be whoring out their pulpit to politicians. Governors are usually figured to be politicians.

228 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:01:36pm

re: #205 Occasional Reader

Does FiscalResponsibility look like a b**ch?

DOES FISCALRESPONSIBILITY LOOK LIKE A B**CH?!

Ohhh, I would love to see Samuel Jackson quote some Ezikiel at the congress… Though tazing them to make the point would be sufficient. They can’t learn if you go too Tarantino on them.

229 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:02:10pm

re: #226 kansas

Apparently not the political venue of the Reverend Wright.

You’re missing the point here champ. It’s not about the fact that he was going to Church. It’s about the fact that he was flying around in a taxpayer funded helicopter for purely personal reasons. He could have been getting his haircut (*cough* Sanford *cough*) and it still would have been inappropriate.

230 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:02:13pm

re: #216 drcordell

He’s the governor of the state. And I hardly think that gives him license to spend state resources on what look to be taxpayer funded campaign stops every Sunday.

I guess you believe the campaign stops President Obama makes in 2012 should be paid for out his pocket, or the campaigns then?

231 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:02:41pm

re: #213 ludwigvanquixote

The Dems aren’t encouraging people to scream at town halls or to show up with guns or announcing that the GOP want’s to kill your granny. What is this about contingencies though? What do you mean by that? I really don’t understand.

Haven’t you seen the videos of the Democrats strong arming people? And remember when there wasn’t any war on terror? That was last month, I guess it’s back again.

232 Dianna  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:02:46pm

re: #228 ludwigvanquixote

Ohhh, I would love to see Samuel Jackson quote some Ezikiel at the congress… Though tazing them to make the point would be sufficient. They can’t learn if you go too Tarantino on them.

Send him to California, quick!

233 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:02:49pm

re: #213 ludwigvanquixote

The Dems aren’t encouraging people to scream at town halls or to show up with guns or announcing that the GOP want’s to kill your granny. What is this about contingencies though? What do you mean by that? I really don’t understand.

Yup ,, , right you are!!

ummm,,, ooopppsss!

234 nonic  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:02:52pm

Could someone tell me what the “karma” score on one’s profile is about?

235 Altermite  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:03:05pm

re: #230 unrealizedviewpoint

I guess you believe the campaign stops President Obama makes in 2012 should be paid for out his pocket, or the campaigns then?

We’ll cross that bridge when we get to it, Nostradamus

236 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:03:14pm

re: #230 unrealizedviewpoint

I guess you believe the campaign stops President Obama makes in 2012 should be paid for out his pocket, or the campaigns then?

Just like Reagan paid for his… or Bush for his… or Clinton for his… or Bush for his…

237 Danny  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:03:17pm

re: #202 doubter4444

What does that have to do with anything?
Or are you implying that POTUS should not have security?
Or that he should pay for said security himself?
Or that anything he does is bad and can used as an excuse for any others misbehavior?

What do you mean?

My point is, there is nothing inherently wrong with government providing security for high-ranking officials when they attend church.

238 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:03:54pm

re: #227 Altermite

Yes. And she said that christians should not be whoring out their pulpit to politicians. Governors are usually figured to be politicians.

Inviting the governor is whoring out the pulpit. The pulpit at the Rev Wright church must have had a red light on it.

239 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:03:57pm

re: #234 nonic

Could someone tell me what the “karma” score on one’s profile is about?

It’s money.

240 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:03:59pm

re: #154 ludwigvanquixote

Sharm and Irish Rose pointed out that he is campaigning on the public dime. I withdrew my dense of him.

You weren’t being dense, you were giving him the benefit of the doubt.

241 Dianna  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:04:13pm

re: #234 nonic

Could someone tell me what the “karma” score on one’s profile is about?

It tells you how many updings you have minus down-dings.

In other words, it tells you how much people like what you have to say.

242 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:04:18pm

re: #234 nonic

Could someone tell me what the “karma” score on one’s profile is about?

It represents the degree to which your posts conform to the established LGF orthodoxy.

243 Altermite  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:04:33pm

re: #234 nonic

Could someone tell me what the “karma” score on one’s profile is about?

An overall score of many people like what they think you said. You get to vote up or down once for any given post.

244 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:04:41pm

re: #234 nonic

Could someone tell me what the “karma” score on one’s profile is about?

Post something clever or very good, get a Karma UP point

Post something drole and/ or stuped, get a Karma down point!

245 nonic  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:04:43pm

re: #239 Ben Hur

It’s money.

Waht does that mean?

246 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:04:47pm

re: #232 Dianna

Send him to California, quick!

They need to clean up the fiscal mess in California.

I say, they call in “the Wolf”.

247 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:04:49pm

re: #175 Desert Dog

I think he will be able to show he was “within” the law with these visits, as he met with local leaders and probably gave cursory lip service to “state business”. Of course, the fact that it meets some legality requirements does not make it right. It is hypocritical of Jindal, the Champion of Spending Restraint, to splurge on these trips.

Well I think you have hit upon the issue - we have two issues that have been conflated to make them more incendiary.

Issue #1 - spending on travel. Governors do this all of the time - they hop around their state making sure to regularly be pictured in the local newscast in front of a local landmark.

Issue #2 - The church going. Louisiana might as well be considered a Catholic State - the faith is dominant there and is well ingrained in the culture and politics. They don’t even have counties - they have “parishes”.

Jindal should take hits on #1, as should just about every other Governor in this country right now. they get flown into an area on the pretext of “fact finding” or public interest when, in fact, they are doing PR to keep their jobs.

On #2, in a state like Louisiana, one of the most fertile areas to exploit #1 (PR junkets) is via church going. In California it would be a different matter - not as much church going, and what does happen is spread over a lot of different faiths.

Fact is that Jindal, like just about every other politician in an executive office, is a PR whore and spends public money to get attention. Mayors do it. Governors do it. The POTUS does it. And in that bayou, attention whoring is effective at the local Catholic Church.

248 Dianna  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:05:28pm

re: #242 drcordell

It represents the degree to which your posts conform to the established LGF orthodoxy.

And you wonder why a lot of us down-ding you?

249 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:05:36pm

re: #245 nonic

Waht does that mean?

Trying to be funny.

It’s a total of the up or down dings to your posts.

250 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:05:38pm

re: #236 drcordell

Just like Reagan paid for his… or Bush for his… or Clinton for his… or Bush for his…

Yes, and using that line of reasoning, you can excuse Jindal. He was doing what previous governors have probably done as well.

I still think it’s wrong, even if other Gov’s did before.

251 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:05:43pm

re: #214 thedopefishlives

So? What makes him special? Churches have lost their tax-exempt status for doing stuff like this.

The pastor preaching politics from the pulpit or asking for the vote may be cause, but the Gov just visiting? I think not.

252 subsailor68  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:05:54pm

Cool! Tarantino references. Hey my two favorite movies:

Kill Bill: What happens to the current health care bill in the House.

Kill Bill2: What happens to next version.

253 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:05:55pm

re: #239 Ben Hur

It’s money.

Yes, send Ben Hur $100 and he will upding you

254 Charpete67  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:06:10pm

Has anyone read this?…Dear Leader is starting younger and younger with his indoctrination…

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]


“Students in grades pre-K-6, for example, are encouraged to “write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals.”

Teachers are also given guidance to tell students to “build background knowledge about the president of the United States by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama.”

During the speech, “teachers can ask students to write down key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful.”

For grades 7-12, the Department of Education suggests teachers prepare by excerpting quotes from Obama’s speeches on education for their students to contemplate — and ask as questions such as “Why does President Obama want to speak with us today? How will he inspire us? How will he challenge us?”

Activities suggested for after the speech include asking students “what resonated with you from President Obama’s speech? What lines/phrase do you remember?”

255 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:06:15pm

re: #242 drcordell

It represents the degree to which your posts conform to the established LGF orthodoxy.

Yeah, I downdinged you.

So, what exactly is “the” LGF Orthodoxy, anyway? Because I’ve been here for over 7 years, and I still can’t find it.

256 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:06:22pm

re: #242 drcordell

It represents the degree to which your posts conform to the established LGF orthodoxy.

BS.

Well written BS.

257 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:06:39pm

re: #208 snowcrash

Me too. I clicked your avatar. lol Kind of sad that no one will comment on the story but it just isn’t that interesting. A man falsely accused of rape and murder for giggles is a pretty boring story.

I don’t think it’s funny.
I certainly have no love for Beck, I think he’s a flaming fruitcake to be honest.
But this is totally over the top.

258 Erik The Red  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:06:41pm

re: #242 drcordell

It represents the degree to which your posts conform to the established LGF orthodoxy.

Or how big of an arsehole you really are.

259 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:07:02pm

re: #255 Occasional Reader

Yeah, I downdinged you.

So, what exactly is “the” LGF Orthodoxy, anyway? Because I’ve been here for over 7 years, and I still can’t find it.

Lizards with funny hats?

260 thedopefishlives  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:07:02pm

re: #251 unrealizedviewpoint

The pastor preaching politics from the pulpit or asking for the vote may be cause, but the Gov just visiting? I think not.

It can be construed as endorsement of a political point of view to have a political figure invited to speak at a service. Renting a church hall for a speaking engagement is quite a different thing, though.

261 doubter4444  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:07:20pm

re: #99 Ben Hur

and this.

I suggest you start policing your own.

Gotta love Fark.

262 Altermite  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:07:26pm

re: #242 drcordell

It represents the degree to which your posts conform to the established LGF orthodoxy.

That was clever, if only half true.

There’s more than one orthodoxy here, though some echo more than others.

263 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:07:36pm

re: #251 unrealizedviewpoint

The pastor preaching politics from the pulpit or asking for the vote may be cause, but the Gov just visiting? I think not.

If the pastor is preaching conservative politics from the pulpit or asking for the conservative vote, then tax exempt status might be questioned. That happened around here last cycle. While one of the Democrats, Emanual Cleaver, is a pastor, and there was no problem with his campaigning in various black churches.

264 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:07:41pm

re: #254 Charpete67

ODS.

265 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:07:59pm

re: #253 Desert Dog

Yes, send Ben Hur $100 and he will upding you

Let’s be clear; send Ben Hur $100 and he will provide you with his services as a companion. Whether he “updings” you will be a decision made between consenting adults, and we here at LGF have nothing to do with it.

/let’s keep this legal, guys

266 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:08:04pm

re: #261 doubter4444

Gotta love Fark.

Coulda done without that link.

267 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:08:09pm

re: #259 Ben Hur

And pais. You can’t forget the pais.

268 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:08:18pm

re: #250 Desert Dog

Yes, and using that line of reasoning, you can excuse Jindal. He was doing what previous governors have probably done as well.

I still think it’s wrong, even if other Gov’s did before.

Well, two points. I actually believe that when incumbent Presidents make explicit campaign stops they must reimburse the gov’t for the “cost” of the resources they use. It’s definitely a bargain, so they all do it, but there is some reimbursement.

And second, it’s a big assumption to make that all previous LA governors were gallivanting around the state in helicopters just because Kenneth Jindal did it.

269 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:08:23pm

re: #228 ludwigvanquixote

Ohhh, I would love to see Samuel Jackson quote some Ezikiel at the congress… Though tazing them to make the point would be sufficient. They can’t learn if you go too Tarantino on them.

Maybe they should have things like the invisible fence collars, and voters get to control whether they get “corrected” or not.
And we could put a “fence” around the debt and taxes; if they get too close to the limits, they get zapped.

/Congress goes to the dogs

270 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:08:34pm

re: #242 drcordell

It represents the degree to which your posts conform to the established LGF orthodoxy.

Speaking as one who is traditionally unorthodox, I disagree.

Take that as you will.

271 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:08:42pm

re: #236 drcordell

Just like Reagan paid for his… or Bush for his… or Clinton for his… or Bush for his…

Hey, hey - that’s old news.

272 Charpete67  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:08:47pm

re: #264 Ben Hur

ODS.

ODS?…don’t know what that is

273 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:09:14pm

re: #259 Ben Hur

Lizards with funny hats?

Get it?

Orthodox Lizards?

Funny hats?

I can say that.

274 nonic  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:10:35pm

sattv4u2
BenHur
Dianna
drcordell
Altermite

Thank you.

275 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:10:42pm

re: #231 kansas

Haven’t you seen the videos of the Democrats strong arming people? And remember when there wasn’t any war on terror? That was last month, I guess it’s back again.

Ummm again… If a Dem were to grab an old lady’s puppy, beat the old lady and forcer her to watch him suck the puppy’s eyeballs out with a sharp steel straw, how would that excuse anything that the GOP does wrong?

I am really tired of people who clearly see the GOP doing something clearly wrong - like lying about killing your granny, or encouraging folks to bring guns to political events etc.. and then hearing them whine that the Dems are bad too.

The Dems are not anywhere near as bad on the organized crazy fest we are seeing coming from the top down on the right. Again, even if they were, it would not mitigate the wrongdoing of the right one iota.

Also, it is the right that tends to, shall we say, exaggerate the threats of jack booted Dems. The Dems can’t agree on the color of an orange, let alone have the discipline needed to turn fascist.

The GOP, on the other hand, is promoting this evil meme that the Republic is threatened by commies under the bed and thugs in the streets, and that all sorts of not white, not Christian folks are coming to persecute you and take your guns, and kill your granny and that they were not actually citizens and that Obama is going to take over the internet etc etc etc…

Let’s please be real.

276 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:10:43pm

re: #268 drcordell

Well, two points. I actually believe that when incumbent Presidents make explicit campaign stops they must reimburse the gov’t for the “cost” of the resources they use. It’s definitely a bargain, so they all do it, but there is some reimbursement.

And second, it’s a big assumption to make that all previous LA governors were gallivanting around the state in helicopters just because Kenneth Jindal did it.

Yup ,, I’m sure Earl Long never used governmnet resources to go see Lolita Davidovitch. Nope ,,, never ,,, nuh uh!

277 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:10:51pm

re: #234 nonic

Could someone tell me what the “karma” score on one’s profile is about?


Imagine there’s no karma
It’s easy if you try
No dings below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the lizard
Living for today…

Imagine there’s no dinging
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no auguring too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace…

You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will be as one

*** *** *** *** **

278 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:10:53pm

re: #270 MrSilverDragon

Speaking as one who is traditionally unorthodox, I disagree.

Take that as you will.

Is that like nouveux classic?

279 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:10:53pm

re: #273 Ben Hur

Get it?

Orthodox Lizards?

Funny hats?

I can say that.

Exactly how much pot do you smoke?
/

280 opnion  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:11:01pm

re: #272 Charpete67

ODS?…don’t know what that is

Obama Derangement Syndrome. It affects those that are thinking clearly.

281 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:11:01pm

re: #274 nonic

sattv4u2
BenHur
Dianna
drcordell
Altermite

Thank you.

You owe me $300, already.

282 jmac1492  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:11:11pm

re: #272 Charpete67

ODS stands for Obama Derangement Syndrome, or the stupid hatred for anything that President Obama does simply because he’s Obama. (Think Glenn Beck). The phrase was originally coined as BDS for Bush Derangement syndrome, and has appeared as PDS for Palin.

283 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:11:25pm

I’ve been here at LGF for 7-1/2 years.

Holy shit.

I need to get a hobby.

284 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:11:25pm

re: #269 Kosh’s Shadow

Maybe they should have things like the invisible fence collars, and voters get to control whether they get “corrected” or not.
And we could put a “fence” around the debt and taxes; if they get too close to the limits, they get zapped.

/Congress goes to the dogs

How about if they try to leave the office without reading the bill they have to vote on?

285 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:11:30pm

I like to think of myself as reformed orthodox LGF, as opposed to the New Age LGF or those crackpots over at the ultra-orthodox traditionalist LGF

286 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:11:33pm

re: #281 Ben Hur

You owe me $300, already.

ME?!?!?!?! WhadIdo!?!?!?

287 KingKenrod  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:11:47pm

Jindal using his Sundays to visit churches will probably play pretty well in Louisiana.

Also, it appears Jindal is claiming that the visits have a legitimate govt purpose:

Jindal said he made a commitment when he became governor that he would meet with elected officials. He said he is fulfilling that commitment.

He said he is respectful of the fact that he is taking the officials away from their families on a Sunday. But he insisted they seem eager to show him schools, roads, factories and other projects in their areas.

Which is exactly what governors are supposed to do.

If that’s true, this is a non-story, unless something in Louisiana law prohibits this activity.

And I’m not a Jindal fan.

288 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:12:02pm

re: #283 Occasional Reader

I’ve been here at LGF for 7-1/2 years.

Holy shit.

I need to get a hobby.

I think you have one.

289 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:12:13pm

re: #16 Danny

The helicopter’s a bit much, but doesn’t the US Govt pay for Secret Service to escort Obama to church?

He’s the President. We pay for his security because we need to.

290 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:12:24pm

re: #279 Cannadian Club Akbar

Exactly how much pot do you smoke?
/

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

now THAT was funny!

291 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:12:30pm

re: #252 subsailor68

Cool! Tarantino references. Hey my two favorite movies:

Kill Bill: What happens to the current health care bill in the House.

Kill Bill2: What happens to next version.

I didn’t care for the Kill Bill movies. Not sure why, but they just didn’t appeal to me. I notice a lot of critics didn’t like Inglorious Basterds but I loved it. Very simple plot kinda like Dusk till Dawn or Death Proof.

292 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:12:31pm

re: #283 Occasional Reader

Yeah, we do

293 Danny  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:12:38pm

re: #289 SanFranciscoZionist

He’s the President. We pay for his security because we need to.

Exactly.

294 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:12:42pm

It’s very simple, you anti-religionists.

When God isn’t busy telling Gov. Sanford what job to do and whose titties to suck, or declining to heal Pat Robertson with a cardiac miracle and instead forcing the poor telescamster to undergo surgery like other humans, he’s got his own heavencopter that he flies around in, visiting different churches in Louisiana. Gov. Bobby has the schedule, and they meet to discuss school policy and stuff.

Sheesh. You people just don’t get it.

295 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:12:42pm

re: #278 wrenchwench

Is that like nouveux classic?

Precisely. Can’t see through my façade!

296 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:12:49pm

re: #255 Occasional Reader

Yeah, I downdinged you.

So, what exactly is “the” LGF Orthodoxy, anyway? Because I’ve been here for over 7 years, and I still can’t find it.

For the most part I’ve found that anything suggesting America hasn’t executed the war on terror flawlessly gets viciously downdinged. Provide an example of a pratfall, and you immediately are labeled an anti-American squish who loves terrorists and hates everything America does.

297 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:12:52pm

re: #255 Occasional Reader

Yeah, I downdinged you.

So, what exactly is “the” LGF Orthodoxy, anyway? Because I’ve been here for over 7 years, and I still can’t find it.

In bed.

298 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:13:13pm

re: #279 Cannadian Club Akbar

Exactly how much pot do you smoke?
/

not enough. LOL!

299 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:13:52pm

re: #284 ludwigvanquixote

How about if they try to leave the office without reading the bill they have to vote on?

That’s another one.

300 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:14:08pm

re: #291 Killgore Trout

Very simple plot kinda like Dusk till Dawn

… which I didn’t much care for (other than Salma’s snake dance, of course… and today’s her birthday, coincidentally.)

301 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:14:09pm

re: #286 sattv4u2

ME?!?!?!?! WhadIdo!?!?!?

Not you.

Nonic.

See above.

302 subsailor68  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:14:13pm

re: #291 Killgore Trout

I didn’t care for the Kill Bill movies. Not sure why, but they just didn’t appeal to me. I notice a lot of critics didn’t like Inglorious Basterds but I loved it. Very simple plot kinda like Dusk till Dawn or Death Proof.

Hi Killgore! Actually I’m kinda with you on that, but couldn’t resist. Dust till Dawn is a guilty favorite, and I thought Reservoir Dogs was pretty tasty as well.

303 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:14:29pm

re: #257 Irish Rose

I don’t think it’s funny.
I certainly have no love for Beck, I think he’s a flaming fruitcake to be honest.
But this is totally over the top.

It sounds like the crap they’ve been saying about Limbaugh for years on DU - he’s a child molester who goes to Costa Rica to have sex with young boys! Their proof? He’s been to Costa Rica!

304 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:14:31pm

re: #254 Charpete67

Has anyone read this?…Dear Leader is starting younger and younger with his indoctrination…

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]


“Students in grades pre-K-6, for example, are encouraged to “write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals.”

Teachers are also given guidance to tell students to “build background knowledge about the president of the United States by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama.”

During the speech, “teachers can ask students to write down key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful.”

For grades 7-12, the Department of Education suggests teachers prepare by excerpting quotes from Obama’s speeches on education for their students to contemplate — and ask as questions such as “Why does President Obama want to speak with us today? How will he inspire us? How will he challenge us?”

Activities suggested for after the speech include asking students “what resonated with you from President Obama’s speech? What lines/phrase do you remember?”

How apolitical.

305 MJ  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:15:13pm

The question for Jindal is did he break any State Election laws?

Candidates for Federal Office ( President and Senators) are required to abide by the FEC:

…candidates who travel
aboard a commercial airliner or other
conveyance for which a fee is normally
charged must pay the normal and usual
charge for that service in order to avoid
receiving an in-kind contribution from
the person providing the travel service.
Such in-kind contributions would be
prohibited if provided by certain
entities, including corporations, labor
organizations, Federal contractors, and
foreign nationals. See 2 U.S.C. 441b,
441c, and 441e; 11 CFR 110.20, 114.2(b),
and 115.2. Even where the in-kind
contributions are not prohibited, they
would be subject to the contribution
limits in the Act and Commission
regulations. See 2 U.S.C. 441a through
441k; 11 CFR Parts 110, 114, and 115.
1. Current 11 CFR 100.93—Payment for
Non-Commercial Travel
The normal and usual charge for
travel aboard a commercial airliner is
the publicly available price for a ticket,
and the normal and usual charge for a
chartered jet is the publicly available
charter or lease rate. The normal and
usual charge for travel aboard a noncommercial
flight, however, may not be
as apparent. For example, there is
generally not a ticket price for a seat
aboard a corporate jet that is operated
exclusively for the private travel of the
corporation’s executives and their
guests. Because candidates for Federal
office have traveled in the past on these
privately operated flights, the
Commission has provided specific
guidance in its regulations regarding the
rate of reimbursement that candidates
and others must pay to avoid receiving
an in-kind contribution for travel aboard
such flights.
On December 15, 2003, the
Commission promulgated final rules
adding 11 CFR 100.93. See Final Rules
and Explanation and Justification for
Travel on Behalf of Candidates and
Political Committees, 68 FR 69,583 (Dec.
15, 2003) (‘‘2003 E&J’’). Those final rules
established an exception from the
definition of contribution for payments
at specified rates for non-commercial
travel in connection with a Federal
election…

[Link: www.fec.gov…]

306 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:15:15pm

re: #261 doubter4444

Gotta love Fark.

Farging bastages!

307 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:15:47pm

re: #296 drcordell

For the most part I’ve found that anything suggesting America hasn’t executed the war on terror flawlessly gets viciously downdinged. Provide an example of a pratfall, and you immediately are labeled an anti-American squish who loves terrorists and hates everything America does.

We criticize the execution of the war on terror DAILY here! Some would like to see us do more/ less in a certain country. Some would like to see the CIA do more/ less as far as surveillance. etc etc (i.e TACTICS)

What we downding for is the suggestion that it’s NOT a WAR, but merely should be a law enforcement activity.

308 Charpete67  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:15:51pm

re: #304 debutaunt

How apolitical.

I can’t even imagine what the mockery would be if Bush did this…

309 HoosierHoops  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:16:10pm

re: #283 Occasional Reader

I’ve been here at LGF for 7-1/2 years.

Holy shit.

I need to get a hobby.

I ripped of Denzil’s Cell phone at an after party… You need Megan Fox’s number?
*wink*

310 John Neverbend  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:16:10pm

re: #285 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I like to think of myself as reformed orthodox LGF, as opposed to the New Age LGF or those crackpots over at the ultra-orthodox traditionalist LGF

I’d put myself in the tooth-fairy agnostic LGF.

311 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:16:21pm

re: #254 Charpete67

Has anyone read this?…Dear Leader is starting younger and younger with his indoctrination…

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

“Students in grades pre-K-6, for example, are encouraged to “write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals.”

Teachers are also given guidance to tell students to “build background knowledge about the president of the United States by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama.”

During the speech, “teachers can ask students to write down key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful.”

For grades 7-12, the Department of Education suggests teachers prepare by excerpting quotes from Obama’s speeches on education for their students to contemplate — and ask as questions such as “Why does President Obama want to speak with us today? How will he inspire us? How will he challenge us?”

Activities suggested for after the speech include asking students “what resonated with you from President Obama’s speech? What lines/phrase do you remember?”

Let me guess Charpete… when Reagan and W Bush did this it was perfectly acceptable? You lose all credibility when everything Obama does turns into some secret indoctrination plot. Are your kids really so malleable that watching the President give a single speech is going to melt their brains?

312 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:16:29pm

re: #255 Occasional Reader

Yeah, I downdinged you.

So, what exactly is “the” LGF Orthodoxy, anyway? Because I’ve been here for over 7 years, and I still can’t find it.

Here’s a doxy you can throw on the old Ortho.

313 Danny  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:16:59pm

re: #305 MJ

Doesn’t apply to potential candidates.

314 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:17:14pm

re: #311 drcordell

when Reagan and W Bush did this

And that was ,,, when???

315 tgibson1962  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:17:31pm

“Even though he travels on Sundays, Jindal said he schedules meetings with local officials when he flies to church services.

On July 5, for example, his office reported that the governor met with citizens, attended a meeting with local officials and went to church in Monroe. Jindal was back in Monroe four days later to meet with community leaders as part of his “Louisiana Working Tour.” - from the linked article.

So if he just met with citizens and public officials on Sunday, that would be okay? Just as long as he doesn’t go to, God forbid, church?

316 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:17:43pm

re: #308 Charpete67

I can’t even imagine what the mockery would be if Bush did this…

HE DID DO IT. Christ almighty. He just chose the war on drugs as his topic instead of academic achievement.

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

317 Charpete67  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:17:51pm

re: #311 drcordell

Let me guess Charpete… when Reagan and W Bush did this it was perfectly acceptable? You lose all credibility when everything Obama does turns into some secret indoctrination plot. Are your kids really so malleable that watching the President give a single speech is going to melt their brains?

Help me out…when did Reagan and Bush do this?…I would be just as strongly against that as well.

318 Desert Dog  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:17:58pm

re: #268 drcordell

Well, two points. I actually believe that when incumbent Presidents make explicit campaign stops they must reimburse the gov’t for the “cost” of the resources they use. It’s definitely a bargain, so they all do it, but there is some reimbursement.

And second, it’s a big assumption to make that all previous LA governors were gallivanting around the state in helicopters just because Kenneth Jindal did it.

Big ASSumption on your part to say they did not too…so whatever.

I am not a gambler, but I would be willing to bet Gov. Blanco took trips all over the state while she was Governor and many of them had nothing to do with Offical State Business. She is not alone though. I would guess most Governors do this kind of stuff.

319 opnion  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:18:05pm

re: #308 Charpete67

I can’t even imagine what the mockery would be if Bush did this…

Soon you will hear that there is not a thing wrong with it & you just suffer
ODS. Now if Bush did it, Fascism!

320 nonic  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:18:09pm

re: #281 Ben Hur

You owe me $300, already.

Sorry. I don’t pay for popularity. Love me for myself or not at all.

321 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:18:52pm

re: #113 Gus 802

Fetuses stimulus program? What the heck is that about?

It’s ‘fetuses’ stimulus program’. That’s what they call it when they kick you unexpectedly while you’re on the phone.

322 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:19:24pm

re: #304 debutaunt

How apolitical.

You mean Fox’s distorted and utterly biased reporting of this right? Fox being the home of Beck and other extreme lying crazy political hacks? Fox that reported that Obama was going to kill your granny? Fox that reported that he was going to take over the internet? That Fox? Right?

323 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:19:57pm

re: #318 Desert Dog

Big ASSumption on your part to say they did not too..

see #233

324 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:20:09pm

re: #275 ludwigvanquixote

Ummm again… If a Dem were to grab an old lady’s puppy, beat the old lady and forcer her to watch him suck the puppy’s eyeballs out with a sharp steel straw, how would that excuse anything that the GOP does wrong?

I am really tired of people who clearly see the GOP doing something clearly wrong - like lying about killing your granny, or encouraging folks to bring guns to political events etc.. and then hearing them whine that the Dems are bad too.

The Dems are not anywhere near as bad on the organized crazy fest we are seeing coming from the top down on the right. Again, even if they were, it would not mitigate the wrongdoing of the right one iota.

Also, it is the right that tends to, shall we say, exaggerate the threats of jack booted Dems. The Dems can’t agree on the color of an orange, let alone have the discipline needed to turn fascist.

The GOP, on the other hand, is promoting this evil meme that the Republic is threatened by commies under the bed and thugs in the streets, and that all sorts of not white, not Christian folks are coming to persecute you and take your guns, and kill your granny and that they were not actually citizens and that Obama is going to take over the internet etc etc etc…

Let’s please be real.

First paragraph is too weird.

However if you are wanting to ignore the Democrat thugocracy fine with me. And all sorts of programs are being shoved down my throat that I am not for. Past Presidents were Presidents of all the people, not just the ones that voted for him.

325 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:20:12pm

drcordell gets downdinged mostly for his moonbat ideals. No?

326 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:20:16pm

re: #314 sattv4u2

when Reagan and W Bush did this

And that was ,,, when???

Im sorry, it was Bush not W Bush, at least that I know of. Here is the link to Bush’s anti-drug speech broadcast to schools. [Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Reagan’s speech to schools was broadcast in the wake of the challenger disaster.

327 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:20:40pm

re: #316 drcordell

HE DID DO IT. Christ almighty. He just chose the war on drugs as his topic instead of academic achievement.

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

And the curriculum Bush sent to schools to follow prior to the talk is ,,, ???

328 Charpete67  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:21:38pm

re: #316 drcordell

HE DID DO IT. Christ almighty. He just chose the war on drugs as his topic instead of academic achievement.

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

ok…read it…didn’t see anything like what was in the piece.

…and this is equal to Reagan addressing the Challenger disaster or W talking about drugs?

329 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:21:42pm

re: #302 subsailor68

I should have a marathon this weekend and rewatch the Kill Bill trilogy. Maybe they’ll grow on me.

330 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:22:33pm

re: #311 drcordell

Let me guess Charpete… when Reagan and W Bush did this it was perfectly acceptable? You lose all credibility when everything Obama does turns into some secret indoctrination plot. Are your kids really so malleable that watching the President give a single speech is going to melt their brains?

Show us all where any President has ever done this. I missed it and would appreciate a link.

331 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:22:54pm

re: #326 drcordell

Im sorry, it was Bush not W Bush, at least that I know of. Here is the link to Bush’s anti-drug speech broadcast to schools. [Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Reagan’s speech to schools was broadcast in the wake of the challenger disaster.

OH MY GOD ,, you’re NOT going there , are you?

The Challenger was to be broadcast on LIVE TV in ALL schools because of the momentous historical significance of having a CIVILIAN/ WOMAN/ TEACHER on board. It blew up in front of MILLIONS of children nation wide
Reagan as President went on TV to reassure the children

Oh My Fucking Word!

332 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:23:12pm

re: #330 kansas

Show us all where any President has ever done this. I missed it and would appreciate a link.

Link is above. George Bush simply chose the “war on drugs” as his topic instead of academic achievement.

333 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:23:14pm

re: #327 sattv4u2

And the curriculum Bush sent to schools to follow prior to the talk is ,,, ???

What is it that the President is trying to tell you?

Uhhh, to not do drugs?

334 opnion  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:23:23pm

re: #324 kansas

First paragraph is too weird.

However if you are wanting to ignore the Democrat thugocracy fine with me. And all sorts of programs are being shoved down my throat that I am not for. Past Presidents were Presidents of all the people, not just the ones that voted for him.

There is no Dem thuggery, the SEIU guys who roughed people up
at the Town Halls, were just administering corrections.
Does anybody remember any other President sending thugs against American citizens?

335 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:23:25pm

re: #322 ludwigvanquixote

I was talking about the full day of school being taken over by politics. I don’t watch Fox.

336 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:23:47pm

re: #332 drcordell

Link is above. George Bush simply chose the “war on drugs” as his topic instead of academic achievement.

Thanks but I’m gonna call bullshit on that.

337 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:24:22pm

re: #324 kansas

First paragraph is too weird.

However if you are wanting to ignore the Democrat thugocracy fine with me. And all sorts of programs are being shoved down my throat that I am not for. Past Presidents were Presidents of all the people, not just the ones that voted for him.

Well hate to break it to you, but Bush was really, really hated by 50% of the people to 80% of the people for his entire eight years. He also was not exactly one to reach out to the other side, and he did ram a war in Iraq down our throats, which is preventing us from dealing with the real nuclear threat in Iran, on false pretenses.

OK, all politicians suck these days.

338 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:24:29pm

re: #331 sattv4u2

OH MY GOD ,, you’re NOT going there , are you?

The Challenger was to be broadcast on LIVE TV in ALL schools because of the momentous historical significance of having a CIVILIAN/ WOMAN/ TEACHER on board. It blew up in front of MILLIONS of children nation wide
Reagan as President went on TV to reassure the children

Oh My Fucking Word!

So what the FUCK is the problem with Obama giving a speech to America’s school children about the importance of studying hard in school? He’s the goddamn leader of the free world, he’s not allowed to encourage American children to learn? What the hell is the big deal here other than the fact that it’s Obama?

339 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:24:56pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

I should have a marathon this weekend and rewatch the Kill Bill trilogy. Maybe they’ll grow on me.

Trilogy? Is that Kill Bill Vol. 1, Kill Bill Vol. 2, and the nightmare that follows when you go to bed that night?

340 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:25:07pm

re: #335 debutaunt

I was talking about the full day of school being taken over by politics. I don’t watch Fox.

But you linked to their description of it being as such.

341 Charpete67  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:25:12pm

re: #336 kansas

Thanks but I’m gonna call bullshit on that.

no kidding…in the article is asks kids to “write letters to the dear leader on how they can help him”

342 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:25:26pm

re: #336 kansas

Thanks but I’m gonna call bullshit on that.

Right. Call bullshit because you simply can’t believe anything that doesn’t conform to your pre-formed opinions. If you wish to actually learn something, here is the link again.

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

343 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:26:50pm

re: #162 Irish Rose

From Wiki:

Jindal was raised in a Hindu household, but converted to Christianity during high school; and during his first year at Brown University, he was baptized Roman Catholic. The Jindal family attends weekly Mass at Saint Aloysius Parish in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.[12] Jindal’s Catholic faith includes a solidarity with other Christian denominations; he has given speeches and offered religious testimony before Baptist and Pentecostal congregations.

Do we know if the churches that he attended were all Catholic churches?

The devout Catholics that I know typically don’t worship with other denominations on their Holy Day. They seek out a Catholic mass in whatever city they happen to be visiting. And if they can’t find a local mass, they’ll travel to a nearby town to get to one.

There’s a weekly obligation to hear the Mass, so if he’s attending other churches, he would need to attend a Catholic service as well. Unless he’s choosing to view any Christian service as a substitute—but most converts aren’t that relaxed in their practice, in my experience.

344 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:27:43pm

re: #338 drcordell

So what the FUCK is the problem with Obama giving a speech to America’s school children about the importance of studying hard in school? He’s the goddamn leader of the free world, he’s not allowed to encourage American children to learn? What the hell is the big deal here other than the fact that it’s Obama?

The problem is that the schools, including pre-K, will be taken over by a full day of politics. Read the lesson plans.

345 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:28:03pm

re: #314 sattv4u2

when Reagan and W Bush did this

And that was ,,, when???

W. was reading to school kids on 9-11 remember that? Every president I can remember since Ford - some to think of it even Ford, but I was a very little boy, had photo-ops and campaign speeches at schools. Don’t be ridiculous.

346 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:28:13pm

re: #337 ludwigvanquixote

Well hate to break it to you, but Bush was really, really hated by 50% of the people to 80% of the people for his entire eight years. He also was not exactly one to reach out to the other side, and he did ram a war in Iraq down our throats, which is preventing us from dealing with the real nuclear threat in Iran, on false pretenses.

OK, all politicians suck these days.

He compromised to the point he was a Democrat by the end. And the Iraq war was supported at first. The policy staring in 1998 under Clinton was regime change. The Democrats just all started lying about it once it became unpopular and Rumsfeld and Franks fucked up the strategy by running straight to Baghad.

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:28:50pm

re: #174 ludwigvanquixote

Obama can still have a steak for dinner - even a Kobe steak - just like Bush and Clinton and Bush and Reagan got to have good meals to. Carter can be relegated to a grits only diet however.

The Peanut Diet.

348 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:28:58pm

re: #340 ludwigvanquixote

But you linked to their description of it being as such.

I didn’t link to anything. I commented on what is happening in school on the day of the great speech.

349 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:29:10pm

re: #338 drcordell

So what the FUCK is the problem with Obama giving a speech to America’s school children about the importance of studying hard in school? He’s the goddamn leader of the free world, he’s not allowed to encourage American children to learn? What the hell is the big deal here other than the fact that it’s Obama?

IF he was to go on as Bush did for 15 or so minutes to say that, I would have no beef. In that there is a prepared CURRICULUM for the entire day grade level specific, THAT I have a problem with. Who came up with it? What school administrators previewed it? In that there are specific things the children must do (beyond sitting and listening to the Pres for 15 minutes) what happens if a child does NOT do it?

350 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:29:28pm

re: #344 debutaunt

The problem is that the schools, including pre-K, will be taken over by a full day of politics. Read the lesson plans.

A full day? What are you smoking? Show me where it says anywhere that this will take a full day. It’s a 15 minute speech, and they provided an optional worksheet to go along with it. But yes, Obama is secretly brainwashing the school children of America with his socialist brainwaves. OOOoooOOOoooOOOooo

351 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:30:11pm

re: #345 ludwigvanquixote

W. was reading to school kids on 9-11 remember that? Every president I can remember since Ford - some to think of it even Ford, but I was a very little boy, had photo-ops and campaign speeches at schools. Don’t be ridiculous.

INDIVIDUAL classes. 20-30 kids MAX

You really think it’s equivilnet?

As you always say ,, YOUR MATH IS WRONG

352 Altermite  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:30:29pm

re: #325 unrealizedviewpoint

drcordell gets downdinged mostly for his moonbat ideals. No?

No. That is why some people downding him, but there are a few people who downding most any post he makes, because he isn’t as apologetic about his ideas as they would like. And sometimes he does make points, and isn’t apologetic. So he gets downdinged.

353 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:30:45pm

re: #349 sattv4u2

IF he was to go on as Bush did for 15 or so minutes to say that, I would have no beef. In that there is a prepared CURRICULUM for the entire day grade level specific, THAT I have a problem with. Who came up with it? What school administrators previewed it? In that there are specific things the children must do (beyond sitting and listening to the Pres for 15 minutes) what happens if a child does NOT do it?

Where are you getting this entire day bullshit? Go read something besides Fox News. The “curriculum” is a fucking worksheet teachers have the option of using to guide a class discussion about the speech afterward. How can you manage to type and hyperventilate at the same time?

354 Charpete67  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:31:05pm

re: #350 drcordell

A full day? What are you smoking? Show me where it says anywhere that this will take a full day. It’s a 15 minute speech, and they provided an optional worksheet to go along with it. But yes, Obama is secretly brainwashing the school children of America with his socialist brainwaves. OOOoooOOOoooOOOooo

I don’t think it’s brainwashing as much as it is narcissistic.

355 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:31:08pm

re: #350 drcordell

A full day? What are you smoking? Show me where it says anywhere that this will take a full day. It’s a 15 minute speech, and they provided an optional worksheet to go along with it. But yes, Obama is secretly brainwashing the school children of America with his socialist brainwaves. OOOoooOOOoooOOOooo

You are ignoring the lesson plans.

356 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:32:22pm

re: #355 debutaunt

You are ignoring the lesson plans.

I’m looking at it RIGHT NOW. Its one and a half pages long for Christ’s sake. Have you even looked at it? Or just formed your opinion based on what Glenn Beck told you?

[Link: www.docstoc.com…]

357 nonic  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:32:28pm

This Obama Day at school is probably going to tie in with the big push for the EDUCATION OVERHAUL, comparable to the healthcare overhaul, that the administration promised for this fall. :-)

358 Irish Rose  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:32:28pm

Too much contention here this afternoon for my taste.
BBL lizards.

359 Altermite  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:32:44pm

re: #351 sattv4u2

INDIVIDUAL classes. 20-30 kids MAX

You really think it’s equivilnet?

As you always say ,, YOUR MATH IS WRONG

And 100 years ago, nobody used TV, and they never addressed more than a few hundred people at a time- perhaps a few thousand, on a really good day. Technology progresses- that is what is happening here.

360 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:33:34pm

re: #356 drcordell

I’m looking at it RIGHT NOW. Its one and a half pages long for Christ’s sake. Have you even looked at it? Or just formed your opinion based on what Glenn Beck told you?

[Link: www.docstoc.com…]

[Link: www.ed.gov…]

Don’t listen to anyone on Fox except Dennis Miller.

361 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:36:33pm

re: #338 drcordell

So what the FUCK is the problem with Obama giving a speech to America’s school children about the importance of studying hard in school? He’s the goddamn leader of the free world, he’s not allowed to encourage American children to learn? What the hell is the big deal here other than the fact that it’s Obama?

[Link: www.docstoc.com…]

Here you go. What do you supposes the majority of “teachers” will actually do.


Go to 20 seconds to start.
362 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:37:11pm

re: #360 debutaunt

[Link: www.ed.gov…]

Don’t listen to anyone on Fox except Dennis Miller.

You’re completely backing away from your previous assertion. You’ve seen the link to the lesson plans. Where is the sinister liberal indoctrination? Where is the plan for an entire day of Dear Leader worship?

363 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:37:24pm

re: #350 drcordell

A full day? What are you smoking? Show me where it says anywhere that this will take a full day. It’s a 15 minute speech, and they provided an optional worksheet to go along with it. But yes, Obama is secretly brainwashing the school children of America with his socialist brainwaves. OOOoooOOOoooOOOooo

The work sheet gives intructions for
BEFORE THE SPEECH
DURING THE SPEECH
AFTER THE SPEECH
It also talks about a paper to be passed in for review at a LATER TIME

Thats a lotta learnin’ in 15 minutes!

364 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:38:01pm

re: #362 drcordell

You’re completely backing away from your previous assertion. You’ve seen the link to the lesson plans. Where is the sinister liberal indoctrination? Where is the plan for an entire day of Dear Leader worship?

Here is an example of sinister. Poor kids. I don’t want this shit in the schools.

365 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:39:13pm

re: #351 sattv4u2

INDIVIDUAL classes. 20-30 kids MAX

You really think it’s equivilnet?

As you always say ,, YOUR MATH IS WRONG

If he pumps his own positions, then of course it is.

If, on the other hand, he gives them a rousing “why you need to get educated” pep talk then that will be something unique and laudable.

I am all for a president actually taking the time to promote education. It is something they all speechify about during campaigns but then forget about while in office. One of the reasons our elected officials are as bad as they are is that the voters are as proudly ignorant as they are.

We live in a culture where if Mike Tyson said “I could probably whup you” the average American would surely agree. But if Albert Einstein dared to even hint that he might be smarter or know more, then the average American would get furious about who does that Einstein think he is!

How dare Einstein think he knows more than you!

We have no respect for education in this society. It is seen only as a drudgery and a means to a financial end by most Americans, who are happy to discount any fact that they do not like.

If Obama gets just one kid to study harder because of this, he deserves a great deal of praise. If it is just more of the political nonsense then he is no different from the rest.

366 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:40:02pm

re: #362 drcordell

You’re completely backing away from your previous assertion. You’ve seen the link to the lesson plans. Where is the sinister liberal indoctrination? Where is the plan for an entire day of Dear Leader worship?

I didn’t back away from anything, but you sure have a charming way of disagreeing with what is intended in the lesson activity plans.

367 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:40:16pm

re: #365 ludwigvanquixote

Pretty big IF, but IF that is the case, then good.

368 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:40:50pm

re: #363 sattv4u2

The work sheet gives intructions for
BEFORE THE SPEECH
DURING THE SPEECH
AFTER THE SPEECH
It also talks about a paper to be passed in for review at a LATER TIME

Thats a lotta learnin’ in 15 minutes!

OMG!!! Let’s all freak out about it!!! For fuck’s sake, it’s a 1.5 page bullet point list of optional activities a teacher may choose to do with their class. But by all means, please do pull your children out of school that day. Wouldn’t want them to learn how to spell “oligarchy” properly. Then they might lose respect for Glenn Beck, and we can’t have that.

369 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:41:16pm

re: #365 ludwigvanquixote

he gives them a rousing “why you need to get educated” pep talk then that will be something unique and laudable

And I stated that a number of times both today and yesterday, However, I never got an answer from DrCordell, so I’ll ask you re: the days curriculum

What school administrators previewed it? In that there are specific things the children must do (beyond sitting and listening to the Pres for 15 minutes) what happens if a child does NOT do it?

370 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:41:35pm

re: #368 drcordell

OMG!!! Let’s all freak out about it!!! For fuck’s sake, it’s a 1.5 page bullet point list of optional activities a teacher may choose to do with their class. But by all means, please do pull your children out of school that day. Wouldn’t want them to learn how to spell “oligarchy” properly. Then they might lose respect for Glenn Beck, and we can’t have that.

Everything comes back to Glenn Beck with you.

371 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:42:21pm

re: #369 sattv4u2

he gives them a rousing “why you need to get educated” pep talk then that will be something unique and laudable

And I stated that a number of times both today and yesterday, However, I never got an answer from DrCordell, so I’ll ask you re: the days curriculum

What school administrators previewed it? In that there are specific things the children must do (beyond sitting and listening to the Pres for 15 minutes) what happens if a child does NOT do it?

Well if they have this teacher, then it’s gonna be a long day.

372 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:42:41pm

re: #368 drcordell

OMG!!! Let’s all freak out about it!!! For fuck’s sake, it’s a 1.5 page bullet point list of optional activities a teacher may choose to do with their class. But by all means, please do pull your children out of school that day. Wouldn’t want them to learn how to spell “oligarchy” properly. Then they might lose respect for Glenn Beck, and we can’t have that.

Won’t have too. My son goes to a Private school that will NOT be participating in this

(and no, it’s ot a Chrisian nor any other religious school)

373 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:43:04pm

re: #369 sattv4u2

he gives them a rousing “why you need to get educated” pep talk then that will be something unique and laudable

And I stated that a number of times both today and yesterday, However, I never got an answer from DrCordell, so I’ll ask you re: the days curriculum

What school administrators previewed it? In that there are specific things the children must do (beyond sitting and listening to the Pres for 15 minutes) what happens if a child does NOT do it?

They are loaded onto buses and sent to the FEMA camps that Obama has been secretly setting up. There they are forced to watch his speech over and over again until they can pass a test that confirms they have been fully indoctrinated with liberal ideals. After that they are issued uniforms, and forced into Obama’s citizen army AmeriCorps.

374 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:43:44pm

re: #373 drcordell

They are loaded onto buses and sent to the FEMA camps that Obama has been secretly setting up. There they are forced to watch his speech over and over again until they can pass a test that confirms they have been fully indoctrinated with liberal ideals. After that they are issued uniforms, and forced into Obama’s citizen army AmeriCorps.

What, no Glenn Beck?

375 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:44:33pm

re: #373 drcordell

They are loaded onto buses and sent to the FEMA camps that Obama has been secretly setting up. There they are forced to watch his speech over and over again until they can pass a test that confirms they have been fully indoctrinated with liberal ideals. After that they are issued uniforms, and forced into Obama’s citizen army AmeriCorps.

Oh goody ,, we need more of these kids!!

376 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:44:34pm

re: #370 kansas

Everything comes back to Glenn Beck with you.

If the ideas floated here stopped coming straight out of his mouth I wouldn’t bring it up. I’m not the one hatching paranoid conspiracy theories about political indoctrination in schools all because of one goddamn speech.

377 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:46:03pm

re: #369 sattv4u2

he gives them a rousing “why you need to get educated” pep talk then that will be something unique and laudable

And I stated that a number of times both today and yesterday, However, I never got an answer from DrCordell, so I’ll ask you re: the days curriculum

What school administrators previewed it? In that there are specific things the children must do (beyond sitting and listening to the Pres for 15 minutes) what happens if a child does NOT do it?

Well that would depend on the school now wouldn’t it?

Usually not doing work meant not getting recess.

We have no idea what is on the worksheet - which is something that all teachers get for all assignments - it is called a lesson plan. As to what is said in those 15 minutes, I am certain it will be a rousing story of how he personally saw education as important and how his education helped him to become the president.

The message that if you study hard and work hard you could be president used to be the core of American values.

It is a very conservative view of mine that we go back to those values.

378 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:46:33pm

re: #376 drcordell

If the ideas floated here stopped coming straight out of his mouth I wouldn’t bring it up. I’m not the one hatching paranoid conspiracy theories about political indoctrination in schools all because of one goddamn speech.


Because Beck says something doesn’t mean that I don’t agree with it. The only place I even hear about Beck is here.

379 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:48:25pm

re: #377 ludwigvanquixote

We have no idea what is on the worksheet


umm,, yes,, we do!
You haven;t been paying attention to this, have you?

[Link: www.ed.gov…]

[Link: www.docstoc.com…]

380 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:49:27pm

re: #376 drcordell

If the ideas floated here stopped coming straight out of his mouth I wouldn’t bring it up. I’m not the one hatching paranoid conspiracy theories about political indoctrination in schools all because of one goddamn speech.

What it is really is that that Obama has been shown to be a liar, and is all about political indoctrination. I don’t trust him to give a rousing pro US and pro work hard speech. Apparently a lot of people agree with me. And I haven’t listened to Beck. I don’t watch his TV show, I don’t listen to him on the radio.

381 kansas  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:51:20pm

The worksheet is much too open ended to be entrusted to teachers, most of whom are Obama disciples. I mean supporters.

382 Altermite  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:52:57pm

re: #381 kansas

The worksheet is much too open ended to be entrusted to teachers, most of whom are Obama disciples. I mean supporters.

You’re right. We should only teach our students using worksheets YOU approve.

OH, wait.

Don’t like how your kids are taught? Send them somewhere else.

383 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:54:36pm

re: #242 drcordell

FOAD, buttmunch…all you seem to be interested in is stirring up s**t.

384 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:55:59pm

re: #382 Altermite

You’re right. We should only teach our students using worksheets YOU approve.

OH, wait.

Don’t like how your kids are taught? Send them somewhere else.

I really wish kids were being taught how to think instead of what to think.

385 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:58:53pm

re: #378 kansas

Because Beck says something doesn’t mean that I don’t agree with it. The only place I even hear about Beck is here.

re: #380 kansas

What it is really is that that Obama has been shown to be a liar, and is all about political indoctrination. I don’t trust him to give a rousing pro US and pro work hard speech. Apparently a lot of people agree with me. And I haven’t listened to Beck. I don’t watch his TV show, I don’t listen to him on the radio.

Hahahahaha I love it. So you criticize most of what Obama does as anti-US or “apologizing” for the U.S. But if he attempts to give a “pro US speech” you don’t trust him to do that either. At least you’re finally being honest about it.

386 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:00:48pm

re: #383 talon_262

FOAD, buttmunch…all you seem to be interested in is stirring up s**t.

I’m calling out absurd hyperventilation over the President speaking to school children much as several previous Presidents have done. If sanity is “stirring shit up” then I guess I’m guilty as charged?

387 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:02:30pm

re: #304 debutaunt

How apolitical.

I’m just going to say this: I am dubious that most schools will watch the show, let alone do the activities. Just sayin’, as a teacher.

388 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:04:00pm

re: #387 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m just going to say this: I am dubious that most schools will watch the show, let alone do the activities. Just sayin’, as a teacher.

Thank you. As if posting a suggested worksheet on a website means that every teacher in the nation will follow it verbatim.

389 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:04:37pm

re: #355 debutaunt

You are ignoring the lesson plans.

Reeally doubt they will get used much.

390 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:05:50pm

re: #387 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m just going to say this: I am dubious that most schools will watch the show, let alone do the activities. Just sayin’, as a teacher.

Thank you, but lets just say that i’m dubious of the intent until after the dust settles. I don’t think iot’s “hyperventaltion” to be concerned in the wake of what two administrations have done to us in the past 2 or so years

391 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:09:06pm

re: #363 sattv4u2

The work sheet gives intructions for
BEFORE THE SPEECH
DURING THE SPEECH
AFTER THE SPEECH
It also talks about a paper to be passed in for review at a LATER TIME

Thats a lotta learnin’ in 15 minutes!

It’s a standard format, and it’s not giving ‘instructions’, they’re suggestions. I’ve seen a million of these. It’s not meant to be a uniform class script in any way. And no one has instructional minutes to waste on too much of this. Classes that are doing something related may put a little more into it.

392 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:09:51pm

re: #390 sattv4u2

Thank you, but lets just say that i’m dubious of the intent until after the dust settles. I don’t think iot’s “hyperventaltion” to be concerned in the wake of what two administrations have done to us in the past 2 or so years

What exactly are you referring to with your last sentence?

393 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:11:33pm

re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s a standard format, and it’s not giving ‘instructions’, they’re suggestions. I’ve seen a million of these. It’s not meant to be a uniform class script in any way. And no one has instructional minutes to waste on too much of this. Classes that are doing something related may put a little more into it.

I understand that. I laid that out in response to the “it’s 15 minutes, not all day”

394 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:11:46pm

re: #381 kansas

The worksheet is much too open ended to be entrusted to teachers, most of whom are Obama disciples. I mean supporters.

Please don’t insult my profession with your paranoia.

395 Dreader1962  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:12:13pm

re: #338 drcordell

So what the FUCK is the problem with Obama giving a speech to America’s school children about the importance of studying hard in school? He’s the goddamn leader of the free world, he’s not allowed to encourage American children to learn? What the hell is the big deal here other than the fact that it’s Obama?

I haven’t seen a pre-release on the content of his address, have you?

I have no problem at all if his message is a general call to study hard, be a good citizen, avoid drugs and alcohol, etc. If it is to become advocates for any of the contentious issues before us today, I’m not okay with that.

I think we have way too many people reacting to a story that is not yet a ‘story’. As I said in my post on another thread, let’s wait and see.

396 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:12:37pm

re: #384 debutaunt

I really wish kids were being taught how to think instead of what to think.

Do you spend a lot of time in classrooms?

397 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:14:08pm

re: #393 sattv4u2

I understand that. I laid that out in response to the “it’s 15 minutes, not all day”

Half an hour. Maybe an hour at most. Probably about five minutes if you average everyone out.

398 Dreader1962  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:15:15pm

re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist

Half an hour. Maybe an hour at most. Probably about five minutes if you average everyone out.

Hey everybody! There’s a new topic over there —->

Let’s all move!

399 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:15:40pm

re: #392 drcordell

What exactly are you referring to with your last sentence?

I think many things President Bush did were laudatory, especially post 9/11. I think that in his last year or so he took his eye of the ball. TARP was (imho) 100% necessary. We can argue about what CAUSED the failures, but to not allow the banks/ lending institutions/ insurance companies in this country fail was the correct thing to do.

Then come Obama. We need to FIX the existing health care system but before we do that we have to IDENTIFY the problem. The “working number” is now 50 million! Lets say I’m skeptical.

Also, the stimulus is a HUGE mistake. I could continue (with both) if you care

400 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:16:07pm

re: #395 Dreader1962

I haven’t seen a pre-release on the content of his address, have you?

I have no problem at all if his message is a general call to study hard, be a good citizen, avoid drugs and alcohol, etc. If it is to become advocates for any of the contentious issues before us today, I’m not okay with that.

I think we have way too many people reacting to a story that is not yet a ‘story’. As I said in my post on another thread, let’s wait and see.

It’s exactly what you described in the first paragraph. From the press release:

The President will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning. He will also call for a shared responsibility and commitment on the part of students, parents and educators to ensure that every child in every school receives the best education possible so they can compete in the global economy for good jobs and live rewarding and productive lives as American citizens.

401 drcordell  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:19:06pm

re: #399 sattv4u2

I think many things President Bush did were laudatory, especially post 9/11. I think that in his last year or so he took his eye of the ball. TARP was (imho) 100% necessary. We can argue about what CAUSED the failures, but to not allow the banks/ lending institutions/ insurance companies in this country fail was the correct thing to do.

Then come Obama. We need to FIX the existing health care system but before we do that we have to IDENTIFY the problem. The “working number” is now 50 million! Lets say I’m skeptical.

Also, the stimulus is a HUGE mistake. I could continue (with both) if you care

The problem is clearly identified to anyone who cares to look. Not enough people have insurance (whatever the number is, it’s too high). Of those people who do have insurance, they pay far too much for it. And even those who can afford it find that when they actually make claims, their claims are denied because of insurance company shenanigans.

As far as the stimulus, it has certainly been a success at steadying state budget shortfalls (one of the main goals, although less hyped). As well as creating economic growth, as evidenced by this piece in the WSJ. [Link: online.wsj.com…]

402 arf  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:20:09pm

The politicians spend our money to procure drugs, hookers, Argentine mistresses, Congressional pages…something quaint about wasting our tax money to attend church.

403 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:30:18pm

re: #401 drcordell

Out of the 50 million “uninsured”, please tell me

How many are illegals (are you going to argue that illegals have the “RIGHT” to insurance?)
How many qualify for existing state/ fed programs but haven’t signed up
How many are between, say 18-35 and decline their work offered plan becuae they would rather not have theor portion of the premium deducted from their paycheck
How many are uninsured beacuse the unemployment rate has spiked (despite Obama’s claim that if we passed the stimulus it wouldn’t exceed 8%) and will go back down once those people are back in jobs?

Tell me those numbers, deduct it from the 50 million, and THEN we’ll know what the problem is.After that we can come up with solutions!

And as far as [Link: online.wsj.com…] it’s mostly on the heels of stronger than expected growth SHORT TERM due to car manufactures re-opening plants that were shut down for 4-6 weeks. That will flatten soon. Also, over 95% the stimulus monies aren;’t even in the pipeline yet. what happens when it is and inflation kicks in from printing money we don’t have?

404 Richie  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 2:06:11pm

This guy sucks. I can’t believe anyone is touting him as a prez hopeful.

405 Chekote  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 3:21:47pm

I can’t get worked up about this one.

406 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 4:33:08pm
407 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 4:39:40pm

Roberto Jindal es un buen católico. El Cajuns de Luisiana es buenos católicos. ¿Si Roberto quiere visitar a su gente en sus parroquias y atender a la iglesia al mismo tiempo, cuál es el problema?

Carlos, usted está haciendo una montaña fuera de una colina del topo.

408 princetrumpet  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 5:56:16pm

re: #407 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Roberto Jindal es un buen católico. El Cajuns de Luisiana es buenos católicos. ¿Si Roberto quiere visitar a su gente en sus parroquias y atender a la iglesia al mismo tiempo, cuál es el problema?

Pues, to digo que yo no entiendo tampoco. Creo que Carlos no quiere mucho a Jindal por el asunto de la religión y cosas asi. Asi es, no le vas a gustar nada de lo que hace. Es mi creéncia de qualquier manera.

409 Conservative Physicist  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:20:36pm

Obviously none of you know anything about Louisiana. There is a big disconnect between the North and the Southern parts of the state. Jindal, from the beginning of his governorship, has traveled the state extensively, trying to narrow this gap. Often Baton Rouge forgets that places like Shreveport, Natchitoches, and Alexandria even exist. So Jindal is actually killing two birds with one stone…where else do the majority of locals congregate on any given day? Church! So its a perfect venue for him to get his message to the rest of the state AND to hear what the rest of the state needs.

410 theheat  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:55:14pm

Not that I was going to, but I still see no reason to mark Jindal off my list as a fundie douchebag. The funny thing about these people is they never truly surprise you; they just heap more shit on themselves. Not that they needed any more.

And what of all this politicizing going on in churches? Things that make you go hmmm.

411 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:17:30pm
412 jaunte  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:20:10pm

re: #411 minuteman

Come on up to the active thread and you can tell everyone about it.

413 BillyHW  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:26:06pm

Well, other governors might have gone to visit a mistress or prostitute.

At least Bobby is going to church.

414 djranger  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 9:31:50am

Actually, in the scope of Louisiana politics, this really isn’t that bad. Former Governor Edmund Edwards used state-sponsored chartered flights to carry he and his girlfriends to casinos so he could drink and gamble. Bobby Jindal certainly does not represent the worst of Louisiana politics. Edwards is currently serving ten years in prison for racketeering.


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