Rand Paul Backing Out of ‘Meet The Press’

News is going around Twitter that Rand Paul is now trying to cancel a Sunday appearance on Meet The Press that he committed to doing on Wednesday.

He’s scared of … David Gregory?

The Paul camp is in full tilt damage control mode. Only two other guests have ever bailed out of Meet The Press at the last minute: Louis Farrakhan and Saudi Prince Bandar.

UPDATE at 5/21/10 2:02:41 pm:

Rand Paul’s reason for backing out: he’s “exhausted.”

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515 comments

1 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:42:51pm

Adapted from the Palin playbook. Don't let the candidate go near the press. They ask too many questions.

2 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:43:25pm

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

But where is his honeymoon? He was promised a honeymoon.

Apparently.

3 freetoken  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:43:51pm

He could always ask Glenn Beck Alex Jones his father to go fill in for him.

4 recusancy  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:44:17pm

Gregory is against fact checking his shows. So you'd that would be the place for him.

5 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:44:23pm

Over heard prior to this announcement:

"Wait...you're trying to tell me the press consists of more than Free Republic, Storm Front and Red State? Shit."

6 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:44:50pm

What, a leading GOP candidate who's afraid to talk to the media?

Inconceivable!

At least Sarah Palin could becloud the minds of Penis-Americans with a wink.

This guy is toast. A weaselly little man with a weaselly little voice who goes bawling to daddy when the bullies are mean to him.

Americans hate whiners.

7 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:45:08pm

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

Adapted from the Palin playbook. Don't let the candidate go near the press. They ask too many questions.

He had his notes written down and ready to go, but those damn sweaty palms ruined it all!

8 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:46:02pm

Paul/Palin '12! No media interviews necessary!

9 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:46:04pm

Anyone know who's gonna play him on SNL?

10 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:46:10pm

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He had his notes written down and ready to go, but those damn sweaty palms ruined it all!

Even after he shaved them and everything!

11 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:46:16pm

The first big Tea Party candidate's victory really is turning into an epic meltdown.

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:46:38pm

re: #11 Charles

The first big Tea Party candidate's victory really is turning into an epic meltdown.

I liked Scott Brown better.

13 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:47:18pm

re: #9 Cato the Elder

Anyone know who's gonna play him on SNL?

Andy Samberg would be funny, though maybe they could get Justin Timberlake to take it.

14 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:47:36pm

re: #9 Cato the Elder

Anyone know who's gonna play him on SNL?

Bring back David Spade!

15 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:47:40pm

re: #11 Charles

The first big Tea Party candidate's victory really is turning into an epic meltdown.

It's a shame no one saw it coming...

16 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:48:02pm

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Andy Samberg would be funny, though maybe they could get Justin Timberlake to take it.

Justin is entirely underrated as a host...

17 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:48:10pm

Gene Wilder Willy Wonka

Rand Paul says
Image: willy-wonka-wilder.jpg

Oh, well, then you know all about it and what a terrible country it is. Nothing but desolate wastes and fierce beasts. And the poor little Oompa Loompas were so small and helpless, they would get gobbled up right and left. A Wangdoodle would eat ten of them for breakfast and think nothing of it. And so, I said, "Come and live with me in peace and safety, away from all the Wangdoodles, and Hornswogglers, and Snozzwangers, and rotten, Vermicious Knids."
18 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:48:16pm

re: #11 Charles

The first big Tea Party candidate's victory really is turning into an epic meltdown.

and Scott Brown hasn't exactly lived up to their expectations either, but thats in a good way for the rest of us.

19 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:49:01pm

re: #16 Aceofwhat?

Justin is entirely underrated as a host...

His Robin Gibbs got me laughing.

20 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:49:33pm

From the Top Conservatives On Twitter list:

#Obama would have been shot as a traitor 200 years ago. #tcot

21 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:49:41pm

re: #11 Charles

The first big Tea Party candidate's victory really is turning into an epic meltdown.

I say we petition SNL to bring back Dana Carvey for that very role.

22 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:50:22pm

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

and Scott Brown hasn't exactly lived up to their expectations either, but thats in a good way for the rest of us.

No kidding... if this GOP candidates were actually really conservatives, the left would actually have to do some work to hold on to their majority... if this keeps up, they can just sit up there in Washington and keep playing with themselves.

23 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:50:25pm

re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

His Robin Gibbs got me laughing.

the cup of soup sketch / omeletville sketch was genius

24 freetoken  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:50:30pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

I liked Scott Brown better.

The Tea Partiers have already turned on Brown. Brown has already shown that he really is in the mold of NE style Republicans, e.g., just voted for the financial reform package.

25 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:50:31pm

re: #20 Charles

From the Top Conservatives On Twitter list:

#Obama would have been shot as a traitor 200 years ago. #tcot

Well, of course, if he had been lucky enough to be born white.

26 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:50:42pm

re: #20 Charles

For what, I wonder?

27 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:50:46pm

Nobody backs out of MTP..Nobody...
Man up Rand..You Bitch..
When I was a kid I remember the fury of the Vietnam war in the news..Even then..Nobody ditched MTP..You manned up Sunday morning..and stood your ground...
Man up Rand..You Bitch

28 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:51:06pm

NOw where are the Dems screaming about this loudly and clearly and challenging the GOP to say something.

This should be happening everywhere, all the time, with statements like "so if you can't repudiate rolling back civil protections in businesses as per the Civil Rights act, you are a racist."

Paul knows that his message is not yet ready for prime time nationwide. We need to stake that vampiric message before it gets any more out of the crypt.

Yet, I hear crickets from the cowardly Dems.

29 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:51:10pm

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

and Scott Brown hasn't exactly lived up to their expectations either, but thats in a good way for the rest of us.

Brown has been up and down. Odd man.

30 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:51:23pm

Rand Paul, Chicken Shit.

31 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:51:52pm

re: #27 HoosierHoops

Honestly, if David Gregory scares you then just get of the fucking game.

32 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:52:00pm

re: #26 Obdicut

For what, I wonder?

my guess is it's the (vast) overreaction to his Arizona-related comments.

33 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:52:21pm
Rand Paul campaign confirms to me that it has canceled Meet the Press appearance, considers GMA its last national interview on CRA story.

[Link: twitter.com...]

34 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:52:43pm

re: #32 Aceofwhat?

my guess is it's the (vast) overreaction to his Arizona-related comments.

Did we even have any immigration control 200 years ago? I thought people kind of just came over.

35 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:52:55pm

re: #20 Charles

From the Top Conservatives On Twitter list:

#Obama would have been shot as a traitor 200 years ago. #tcot

It is only a matter of time before these nuts become violent. It is already starting in small ways.

That is why it needs to be put down harshly, severely and immediately when they do get violent. If we let it spread, we have a much tougher fight down the road where even more will get killed.

36 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:52:59pm

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

Brown has been up and down. Odd man.

True, but look at it from the Tea Baggers view. Been nothing but a failure in their eyes.

37 wrenchwench  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:53:16pm

In other heartening teabag news, I got a somewhat mysterious email today from the former(?) county chair of the local Republicans. Apparently he was deposed by the State party chair, possibly for teapartying too much. The term used was "factional differences". There's a meeting this weekend in which the local guy will attempt to undepose himself.

38 recusancy  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:53:26pm

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

True, but look at it from the Tea Baggers view. Been nothing but a failure in their eyes.

But he drives a truck!

39 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:53:49pm

re: #30 Varek Raith

Rand Paul, Chicken Shit.

No not at all. Dems are chickenshit for not screaming bloody murder in a collective chorus of disgust and repudiation.

40 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:53:53pm

re: #34 Obdicut

Did we even have any immigration control 200 years ago? I thought people kind of just came over.

Yeah, they need to ask the Native Americans.

41 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:53:53pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

[Link: twitter.com...]

Christ, Sarah Palin has more balls than this guy.

42 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:53:57pm

re: #34 Obdicut

Did we even have any immigration control 200 years ago? I thought people kind of just came over.

heh. if you're asking me to get in their minds, you're out of luck. anyone who says the word "shot" about my president, whether i voted for him or not, can just fuck right off.

43 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:54:06pm

re: #34 Obdicut

Did we even have any immigration control 200 years ago? I thought people kind of just came over.

We brought a lot of people over 200 years ago... forced immigration.

44 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:54:30pm

re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote

No not at all. Dems are chickenshit for not screaming bloody murder in a collective chorus of disgust and repudiation.

I disagree. Let the man hang himself.

45 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:54:39pm

re: #27 HoosierHoops

Nobody backs out of MTP..Nobody...
Man up Rand..You Bitch..
When I was a kid I remember the fury of the Vietnam war in the news..Even then..Nobody ditched MTP..You manned up Sunday morning..and stood your ground...
Man up Rand..You Bitch

NO, man up Dems and GOP with nothing to say about it. This is truly a for us or against us moment.

46 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:54:51pm

re: #43 Walter L. Newton

We brought a lot of people over 200 years ago... forced immigration.

Property back then.

47 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:54:54pm

re: #41 JasonA

Christ, Sarah Palin has more balls than this guy.

No. She has not appeared on MTP either. Only Fox.

48 recusancy  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:54:56pm

re: #39 LudwigVanQuixote

No not at all. Dems are chickenshit for not screaming bloody murder in a collective chorus of disgust and repudiation.

No. Let the enemy destroy itself.

49 researchok  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:54:58pm

re: #28 LudwigVanQuixote

NOw where are the Dems screaming about this loudly and clearly and challenging the GOP to say something.

This should be happening everywhere, all the time, with statements like "so if you can't repudiate rolling back civil protections in businesses as per the Civil Rights act, you are a racist."

Paul knows that his message is not yet ready for prime time nationwide. We need to stake that vampiric message before it gets any more out of the crypt.

Yet, I hear crickets from the cowardly Dems.

Back room deal- 'We won't call you out if you don't call us out'.

Business as usual.

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:55:02pm

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

True, but look at it from the Tea Baggers view. Been nothing but a failure in their eyes.

Don't they like this thing about stripping accused terrorists of their citizenship? Or do they just not care enough about terrorism any more?

51 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:55:22pm

re: #42 Aceofwhat?

heh. if you're asking me to get in their minds, you're out of luck. anyone who says the word "shot" about my president, whether i voted for him or not, can just fuck right off.

how about, "great shot, Mr President"?

52 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:55:57pm

re: #47 Stanley Sea

No. She has not appeared on MTP either. Only Fox.

Well, she did do the Couric, Gibson and... Brian Williams(?) interviews during the campaign.

53 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:56:05pm

re: #45 LudwigVanQuixote

NO, man up Dems and GOP with nothing to say about it. This is truly a for us or against us moment.

Why throw wood on a perfectly hot fire?

54 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:56:10pm

re: #51 cliffster

how about, "great shot, Mr President"?

nice. i stand corrected...

55 ShaunP  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:56:25pm

It's going to be a really "interesting" campaign if this guy runs from reporters until December...

56 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:56:32pm

re: #53 Jeff In Ohio

Why throw wood on a perfectly hot fire?

He knows no other way;)

57 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:56:32pm

re: #20 Charles

From the Top Conservatives On Twitter list:

#Obama would have been shot as a traitor enslaved 200 years ago. #tcot

Fixed that for them.

58 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:56:39pm

re: #49 researchok

Back room deal- 'We won't call you out if you don't call us out'.

Business as usual.

Call them out for what?

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:56:54pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

In other heartening teabag news, I got a somewhat mysterious email today from the former(?) county chair of the local Republicans. Apparently he was deposed by the State party chair, possibly for teapartying too much. The term used was "factional differences". There's a meeting this weekend in which the local guy will attempt to undepose himself.

Are you going? You gotta go.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:57:07pm

re: #38 recusancy

But he drives a truck!

OH GOD! THE TRUCK!

61 recusancy  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:57:48pm

re: #49 researchok

Back room deal- 'We won't call you out if you don't call us out'.

Business as usual.

hu?

62 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:58:04pm

re: #52 JasonA

Well, she did do the Couric, Gibson and... Brian Williams(?) interviews during the campaign.

Oh yeah, sorry, I was thinking since 2008. :)

63 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:58:09pm

Apparently, only two other guests have ever bailed out of MTP at the last minute: Louis Farrakhan and Saudi Prince Bandar.

64 the Yankee  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:58:10pm

Maybe he is backing out because of that Politifact.com thing. They said that they are going to fact check guest on meet the press for now on!!!!

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:58:18pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

Yeah, they need to ask the Native Americans.

One of my favorite t-shirts.

66 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:58:23pm

re: #44 JasonA

I disagree. Let the man hang himself.

Yes and he will. He will be a political martyr for the stormfront crowd, but only if the Dems rightly kill the GOP for being such pussies themselves. This is a mellon and a golden opportunity to shut this shit down in its tracks. He has gone to far and he knows it. If sane people crush it now, it will staunch the flow of the poisonous movement. If not, those that really think this way will only be further emboldened. Yes he needs to get out there. Yes, people need to see what Paul is. But, it needs wide, loud and strong condemnation. Without that, it will only make matters worse, because the message will be out there, and it will seen to be an acceptable message. The far right whacks have been getting ever more bold over the past two years. We staunch it now or we staunch it at great cost later.

67 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:59:02pm

re: #45 LudwigVanQuixote

NO, man up Dems and GOP with nothing to say about it. This is truly a for us or against us moment.

I don't think that this is the time for elected officials to go after him like that. Wait till the campaign season. For now I say let the media do its job, and this guy seems to be good enough for news that they actually will.

68 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:59:07pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

One of my favorite t-shirts.

I own one

69 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:59:27pm

re: #66 LudwigVanQuixote

"Stanch" - the word is "stanch"

70 Walter L. Newton  Fri, May 21, 2010 1:59:27pm

re: #55 ShaunP

It's going to be a really "interesting" campaign if this guy runs from reporters until December...

He's only running in Kentucky... if he's smart, all he has to do is play this close to home and manage any damage control there... that's apparently what he has decided to do... smart move on his part... he's certainly nor ready for the national stage... this past 3 days were evidence of that.

He'll disappear from the national scene and concentrate on his own state. A month from now, it will be last weeks news... if he can keep his ego in tow.

Otherwise, he's toast if he tries to keep lashing out on a national scale.

71 Sionainn  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:00:19pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

One of my favorite t-shirts.

I actually got this shirt for my brother a few years ago.

72 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:00:36pm

re: #66 LudwigVanQuixote

See, I'm of the opinion that if the left-wing machine starts up against this guy like that it will only give him more support on the right.

73 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:01:04pm

Rand's reason: he's "exhausted."

74 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:01:12pm

re: #48 recusancy

No. Let the enemy destroy itself.

10 years ago, a message like that would never have gotten air time without a host of condemnation. The fact that the climate has changes so much that this has any traction at all is the direct result of falsely assuming that someone else would naturally shut it up. The message has traction because so very many whites have been told that they are victims in their own nation and they believe it. We have to step hard now with condemnation openly and loudly. He will continue to flail. He will continue to make noise. But it has to be seen as NOT OK.

We are leading to an easily prevented disaster by not condemning this vigorously. It will be seen as encouragement.

75 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:01:32pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

One of my favorite t-shirts.

Excellent!

You know that sign at the border that warns cars about the crossing immigrants? It has a father, mother & child running? I saw at the Laguna Festival of the Arts a couple of years ago a piece of work where the people running were pilgrims in silhouette. I've looked high and low and cannot find it.

76 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:02:18pm

re: #67 JasonA

I don't think that this is the time for elected officials to go after him like that. Wait till the campaign season. For now I say let the media do its job, and this guy seems to be good enough for news that they actually will.

The GOP starts fighting elections from the moment the last one ends. We need to nail the GOP for letting this slide. They have always shown themselves to be a racist party. Let them wallow in it.

77 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:02:18pm

re: #75 Stanley Sea

Excellent!

You know that sign at the border that warns cars about the crossing immigrants? It has a father, mother & child running? I saw at the Laguna Festival of the Arts a couple of years ago a piece of work where the people running were pilgrims in silhouette. I've looked high and low and cannot find it.

"The Wampanoags had piss-poor immigration policies"

- A sign seen at plymouth, ma, by yours truly not so long ago.

78 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:02:23pm

re: #73 Charles

Rand's reason: he's "exhausted."

The poor dear. Perhaps he ought to sit down and have a nice long rest.

If he can't handle a few interviews, how the hell can he handle the responsibilities of the position?

79 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:02:42pm

re: #73 Charles

Rand's reason: he's "exhausted."

Exhausted? Already?

What's going to happen when he has to wake up and take that 3 AM call?

//

80 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:03:07pm

re: #73 Charles

Rand's reason: he's "exhausted."

Shovelling shit can be hard work.

81 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:03:27pm

re: #79 Gus 802

Exhausted? Already?

What's going to happen when he has to wake up and take that 3 AM call?

//

It'd be a very bad one, if they're down to calling a congressman from KY. Jeez! Talk about a chain of succession nightmare.

82 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:03:52pm

re: #72 JasonA

See, I'm of the opinion that if the left-wing machine starts up against this guy like that it will only give him more support on the right.

Ahh but which right? Make the sane RINO member of the GOP squirm for the tacit support of this from their party. You don't understand that we have already lost the far right. You will not bring reason to a teabagger since they plainly reject reason from the outset. We need to inoculate the independents.

83 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:04:07pm

re: #81 Guanxi88

It'd be a very bad one, if they're down to calling a congressman from KY. Jeez! Talk about a chain of succession nightmare.

Yeah, but you know his following (from the Rand Paul cult) have high hopes.

84 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:04:22pm

re: #79 Gus 802

Exhausted? Already?

What's going to happen when he has to wake up and take that 3 AM call?

//

He won't. He's a "libertarian". "Got mine, fuck you, if it fucks with yours, fuck you twice."

85 the Yankee  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:04:23pm

re: #73 Charles

If he answers every question the way he did on the Maddow show he is going to wear down very quickly....

86 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:04:31pm

re: #73 Charles

Rand's reason: he's "exhausted."

Well thank God he doesn't want to be a leader...
Look how many exhausted leaders are in the dust bin of history...
/

87 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:04:44pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Yeah, but you know his following (from the Rand Paul cult) have high hopes.

I said it the other day, and Spacejesus signed on, so:

Paul/Paul '12

88 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:04:47pm

re: #69 Guanxi88

"Stanch" - the word is "stanch"

Thank you. When I get agitated and type at the rate I am thinking, bad things happen ;)

89 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:04:47pm

re: #76 LudwigVanQuixote

Let them wallow in it.

That's kind of what I'm saying. Only difference being I don't think we need Democratic politicians adding fuel to the fire. This man is doing a fantastic job of diggin his own hole and I say let him.

90 Reginald Perrin  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:04:48pm

re: #73 Charles

Rand's reason: he's "exhausted."

Poor guy, that evil liberal Rachel Maddow interviewed him for 20 minutes without a break for a commercial.

91 wrenchwench  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:05:15pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

Are you going? You gotta go.

I can't. Work. But I'll post anything I learn afterward.

92 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:05:56pm

re: #90 Reginald Perrin

Poor guy, that evil liberal Rachel Maddow interviewed him for 20 minutes without a break for a commercial.

Heck. He was probably wearing his Gore-Tex™ golf shorts.

//

93 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:06:53pm

re: #88 LudwigVanQuixote

His Dem opponent is hitting him pretty good.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

94 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:07:54pm

re: #51 cliffster

how about, "great shot, Mr President"?

It's stuff like that which makes you an asshole. There are people talking about shooting the president and you joke.

95 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:08:02pm

re: #82 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahh but which right? Make the sane RINO member of the GOP squirm for the tacit support of this from their party. You don't understand that we have already lost the far right. You will not bring reason to a teabagger since they plainly reject reason from the outset. We need to inoculate the independents.

I don't think you do that by turning this into a left-right kerfluffle. He has the attention of the media now. Let it stay firmly on him.

96 Olsonist  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:08:06pm

Conway should volunteer to fill in.

97 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:08:27pm

re: #96 Olsonist

Conway should volunteer to fill in.

That would be funny.

98 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:08:31pm

re: #96 Olsonist

Conway should volunteer to fill in.

Oh, that would burn

99 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:09:15pm

He's been a candidate for less than a week and he's "exhausted"?

The only thing Americans hate worse than a whiner is a weakling.

Sarah Palin's balls are five times bigger than his.

100 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:09:31pm

re: #94 LudwigVanQuixote

I thought it was a funny and apt joke, and not assholish.

I could have made it myself.

101 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:09:48pm

re: #94 LudwigVanQuixote

It's stuff like that which makes you an asshole. There are people talking about shooting the president and you joke.

oh good grief

102 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:10:01pm

re: #99 Cato the Elder

He's been a candidate for less than a week and he's "exhausted"?

The only thing Americans hate worse than a whiner is a weakling.

Sarah Palin's balls are five times bigger than his.

It's the Moose meat.

103 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:10:15pm

re: #100 Obdicut

I thought it was a funny and apt joke, and not assholish.

I could have made it myself.

asshole
//

104 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:10:23pm

re: #93 Jeff In Ohio

Seizing on a series of politically eccentric statements from his opponent Rand Paul,

Ya think?

105 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:10:39pm

re: #93 Jeff In Ohio

His Dem opponent is hitting him pretty good.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Good. The national level needs to hit the GOP for this. The move is let the Teabagger rift in the GOP widen. The more sane GOP people are chickening out. Force them to clean their own party or be lumped in with the racists and the asshats. Divide and conquer. And yes, while I am no Dem, they are not evil like the GOP has become and I want the GOP castrated utterly until a sane party can rise from the ashes.

But the Dems are too spineless and have been for years.

106 Jetpilot1101  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:11:54pm

re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote

I'd like some sanity on the dem side to. Both parties are broken and need complete overhauls.

107 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:12:26pm

re: #99 Cato the Elder

He's been a candidate for less than a week and he's "exhausted"?

The only thing Americans hate worse than a whiner is a weakling.

Sarah Palin's balls are five times bigger than his.

Three days. Three damn days.

108 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:12:29pm

All right, Texas lizards! Get the hell off the highways!

I'm about to load up in Fritz the Benz and begin the high-speed, white-knuckle thrill-ride that is my 4 cylinder diesel-powered commute!

109 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:12:31pm

re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote

Force them to clean their own party or be lumped in with the racists and the asshats.

Yes >

They don't wanna face up to it, but they really should, for the good of the country... Not to mention for the longterm good of their own party.

110 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:12:55pm

Luke Russert tweets:

Hey Dr. Paul, if you can't answer tough questions how are you going to be able to make tough decisions as a U.S. Senator? -TJR

111 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:13:00pm

re: #106 Jetpilot1101

Oh please. This is not the time for "they're both broken". We have fucking Rand Paul saying crazy-ass shit about the CRA and nobody in the GOP is smacking him down.

Please, for the love of god, drop the weird need for equivalence.

112 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:13:02pm

re: #106 Jetpilot1101

-1 for false equivalence.

113 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:13:19pm

re: #69 Guanxi88

"Stanch" - the word is "stanch"

Actually, "staunch" is a perfectly acceptable variant spelling of the verb.

English be tricksy that way.

114 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:13:26pm

re: #106 Jetpilot1101

I'd like some sanity on the dem side to. Both parties are broken and need complete overhauls.

I agree.

If the Dems were sane they would have the courage of their supposed convictions.

The problem with the winguts is that they do have the courage of their convictions. They are just evil convictions.

115 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:14:24pm

re: #111 Obdicut

Synchronicity!

Seriously tho', its just the reflexive defense of your own side.

116 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:14:32pm

re: #113 Cato the Elder

Actually, "staunch" is a perfectly acceptable variant spelling of the verb.

English be tricksy that way.

Yes, and it's up to folk like us to bring some goddamned order to it and start culling these alternates and variants.

Ploughed, not plowed

etc.

117 Jetpilot1101  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:14:46pm

re: #114 LudwigVanQuixote

I agree.

If the Dems were sane they would have the courage of their supposed convictions.

The problem with the winguts is that they do have the courage of their convictions. They are just evil convictions.

Thank you LVQ. You get it.

118 Reginald Perrin  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:15:16pm
Hey Dr. Paul, if you can't answer tough questions how are you going to be able to make tough decisions as a U.S. Senator?

He only has to make one decision and that is to follow the tea party doctrine 100% of the time.

119 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:15:22pm

re: #116 Guanxi88

As a sidenote, there's absolutely no need to do that, unless its interfering with clarity >>

120 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:15:32pm

re: #116 Guanxi88

Yes, and it's up to folk like us to bring some goddamned order to it and start culling these alternates and variants.

Ploughed, not plowed

etc.

DAM EWE HOMOPHONES!

121 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:16:00pm

re: #111 Obdicut

Oh please. This is not the time for "they're both broken". We have fucking Rand Paul saying crazy-ass shit about the CRA and nobody in the GOP is smacking him down.

Please, for the love of god, drop the weird need for equivalence.

people post whatever they want....some of your stuff is untimely tripe, I might remind you

122 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:16:41pm

Ah, here's the video of Rand Paul campaigning for daddy in Bozeman, Montana spreading the North American Union and Amero conspiracy.

Rand Paul in Bozeman, MT

123 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:18:01pm

re: #119 windsagio

As a sidenote, there's absolutely no need to do that, unless its interfering with clarity >>

My linguistic totalitarian impulse is a mighty one, and when a fellow like LVQ - with whom I've frequently disagreed, and with whom I often agree - is making a good point, the slightest little thing can ruin it for me. Even as a soprano with a head-cold does not ruin the musical genius of the aria itself, but only its execution in one instance, so, too.....

124 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:18:16pm

So how long before we realize this was all a Luap Nor plot to divert our attention away from him?
/

125 Olsonist  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:18:28pm

re: #114 LudwigVanQuixote

Nonsense. The Dems are the mainstream middle of the road party of governance. The craft of governance makes it difficult to have those oh so principled positions. The Reps on the other hand are the wallbangers. To quote Point Break,

They only live to get radical

.

126 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:18:32pm

re: #122 Gus 802

Footnote.

That's a video from some Truther crazies. You might need to take a shower after watching the whole video.

127 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:18:36pm

re: #53 Jeff In Ohio

Why throw wood on a perfectly hot fire?

Because it is a golden opportunity to burn the weak timbers of the much larger GOP structure.

128 freetoken  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:19:06pm

re: #122 Gus 802

That video... heh, what more could any opponent ask for?

129 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:19:19pm

re: #116 Guanxi88

Yes, and it's up to folk like us to bring some goddamned order to it and start culling these alternates and variants.

Ploughed, not plowed

etc.

I'm against bringing order to English in the manner of the French Academy or its German equivalent.

English spelling is the perfect mix of arbitrary anarchy and staid, "that's the way it is" tradition. Many words show their etymological history in their orthography.

At some point the Post Office declared that all American town names ending in -borough be spelled "-boro". Screw that.

130 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:19:39pm

re: #123 Guanxi88

Embrace freedom!

It only hurts expression (and in my opinion the potential beauty of the language) to try to stuff things down.

131 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:19:59pm

re: #128 freetoken

That video... heh, what more could any opponent ask for?

Now we just need to use it, and spread it, and seriously ask Americans if that is the America they believe in.

132 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:20:16pm

re: #128 freetoken

That video... heh, what more could any opponent ask for?

Yeah. You can literally see the antenna piercing through Rand Paul's tin foil hat.

133 Jadespring  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:20:24pm

re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote

Good. The national level needs to hit the GOP for this. The move is let the Teabagger rift in the GOP widen. The more sane GOP people are chickening out. Force them to clean their own party or be lumped in with the racists and the asshats. Divide and conquer. And yes, while I am no Dem, they are not evil like the GOP has become and I want the GOP castrated utterly until a sane party can rise from the ashes.

But the Dems are too spineless and have been for years.

They are spreading the word about Rand Paul at least. I still get emails from the Dem Obama campaign email thingy from the election and have gotten two so far about Paul. One is from the KT organizing committee.

134 wrenchwench  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:20:49pm

I know Meet the Press is on early in the morning, but couldn't Rand just have a cup of coffee or something?

Oh, damn, I forgot. It's tea.

135 MandyManners  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:21:07pm

Has anyone posted a link to the Jerry and Joe Kane memorial site?

136 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:21:27pm

re: #122 Gus 802

Gotta admit, I had to turn it off when I got to the truther question.


The dude, I dunno maybe its my prejudices... But he just oozes "Weasel".

137 Mocking Jay  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:21:47pm

re: #135 MandyManners

Has anyone posted a link to the Jerry and Joe Kane memorial site?

I saw one a thread or two back.

138 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:22:00pm

re: #121 albusteve

people post whatever they want...some of your stuff is untimely tripe, I might remind you

Hi Steve! Guess me and the boys are driving the back roads for about 20 minutes to hang out at the Indy race track Saturday..With I dunno 50,000 fans all day? It will be great..Indy Qualifying...

139 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:22:25pm

re: #138 HoosierHoops

Hows the weather for that?

140 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:22:29pm

re: #136 windsagio

Gotta admit, I had to turn it off when I got to the truther question.

The dude, I dunno maybe its my prejudices... But he just oozes "Weasel".

Did you notice the slight "ya know, ya know" surfer dude accent that Rand Paul had in the video?

141 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:23:09pm

re: #129 Cato the Elder

I'm against bringing order to English in the manner of the French Academy or its German equivalent.

English spelling is the perfect mix of arbitrary anarchy and staid, "that's the way it is" tradition. Many words show their etymological history in their orthography.

At some point the Post Office declared that all American town names ending in -borough be spelled "-boro". Screw that.

I'm a stickler on stanch/ staunch for reasons related to orthography. The "u" in staunch is not pronounced in the variant form meaning to check or halt, nor need it be. Though derived from the same root, use has caused two words to appear in our wondrous language, and I'm all for keeping them both.

As for certain americanisms ("plowed" in place of "ploughed" - I dislike them because they conceal the root terms, even though they are somewhat simpler and more "reasonable" in terms of written expression.) I recognize the arbitrariness of our rules, and wish only that the arbitrariness be such as is to my liking. And if that seems arbitrary, well, it is.

As for the post office's idiocy with place names, well, it speaks for itself.

142 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:23:47pm

re: #140 Gus 802

Yes, yes I did.

143 Guanxi88  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:24:48pm

Well, Fritz awaits!
Consider yourselves warned, I;m about to hit the highway!

144 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:25:21pm

re: #143 Guanxi88

damn, I was gonna argue with you more about language >>

Oh well, next time!

145 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:25:51pm

re: #138 HoosierHoops

Hi Steve! Guess me and the boys are driving the back roads for about 20 minutes to hang out at the Indy race track Saturday..With I dunno 50,000 fans all day? It will be great..Indy Qualifying...

qualifying is nearly as cool as the race itself...I hope they run fast and safe

146 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:25:58pm

How long has Rand-Boy lived in Kentucky?

Did he go there just for the Senate run?

If so, can he be painted as daddy's little carpetbagger to the folks who've been thar since Dan'l Boone?

147 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:27:13pm

re: #146 Cato the Elder

How long has Rand-Boy lived in Kentucky?

Did he go there just for the Senate run?

If so, can he be painted as daddy's little carpetbagger to the folks who've been thar since Dan'l Boone?

it worked for Hilary

148 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:27:30pm

re: #139 windsagio

Hows the weather for that?

It looks great...And the pool is open and Sunday it's going to be 87!!
I'll post from my crackberry out there during qualifying....I will miss Indy...The track is awesome...I think I'll return every year for vacation..

149 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:28:03pm

re: #111 Obdicut

Oh please. This is not the time for "they're both broken". We have fucking Rand Paul saying crazy-ass shit about the CRA and nobody in the GOP is smacking him down.

Please, for the love of god, drop the weird need for equivalence.

But...but...but... The other side is just as bad!11!!1

150 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:28:08pm

re: #146 Cato the Elder

1993, I guess.

So a while anyways.

151 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:28:36pm

hahahahaha
This is hilarious....
Dick Gregory would kiss Paul's ass.
He is a soft ball interview...

152 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:28:44pm

re: #124 JasonA

So how long before we realize this was all a Luap Nor plot to divert our attention away from him?
/

Rand Paul is a Ron Paul clone!11!

153 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:29:29pm

re: #152 Varek Raith

Rand Paul is a Ron Paul clone!11!

There is something very Sith like at work... well said.

154 wrenchwench  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:29:38pm

re: #146 Cato the Elder

How long has Rand-Boy lived in Kentucky?

Did he go there just for the Senate run?

If so, can he be painted as daddy's little carpetbagger to the folks who've been thar since Dan'l Boone?

He married a native.

155 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:29:49pm

re: #148 HoosierHoops

It looks great...And the pool is open and Sunday it's going to be 87!!
I'll post from my crackberry out there during qualifying...I will miss Indy...The track is awesome...I think I'll return every year for vacation..

this years pace car
[Link: jalopnik.com...]

again!

156 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:29:59pm

re: #153 LudwigVanQuixote

There is something very Sith like at work... well said.

I had nothing to do with this.......
.
.
.
.
Dammit!

157 Sionainn  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:30:00pm

re: #146 Cato the Elder

How long has Rand-Boy lived in Kentucky?

Did he go there just for the Senate run?

If so, can he be painted as daddy's little carpetbagger to the folks who've been thar since Dan'l Boone?

I think since 1993 when he first started practicing medicine.

158 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:30:22pm

re: #42 Aceofwhat?

heh. if you're asking me to get in their minds, you're out of luck. anyone who says the word "shot" about my president, whether i voted for him or not, can just fuck right off.

Exactly.

159 webevintage  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:30:26pm

re: #135 MandyManners

Has anyone posted a link to the Jerry and Joe Kane memorial site?

Yeah on another thread.....

BTW< don't kick yourself in the ass.
We all do the best we can do with the knowledge we have and you sound like a great mom.

160 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:31:05pm

re: #155 albusteve



Ford quickly responded with another special edition Mustang. When asked for details, Ford spokespersons replied, "stickers. More stickers. Stickers for everyone!"

Ehehehe.

161 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:31:38pm

re: #111 Obdicut

Oh please. This is not the time for "they're both broken". We have fucking Rand Paul saying crazy-ass shit about the CRA and nobody in the GOP is smacking him down.

Please, for the love of god, drop the weird need for equivalence.


Hear hear!

162 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:33:28pm

re: #156 Varek Raith

I had nothing to do with this...
.
.
.
.
Dammit!

Face it Varek, you are just not evil enough to be a proper Sith. If you were, we would find that both Pauls are your apprentices and you are planning to have them duel to see which is stronger.

163 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:33:48pm

its possible this has been linked, but:

Rand Paul on his name and Ayn.

164 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:34:40pm

re: #162 LudwigVanQuixote

Face it Varek, you are just not evil enough to be a proper Sith. If you were, we would find that both Pauls are your apprentices and you are planning to have them duel to see which is stronger.

That, plus Varek would be an international banker.

EVIL!

165 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:34:46pm

re: #162 LudwigVanQuixote

He's in the 'appear benign and helpful' phase is all.

He's just doing a damn better job of it than the Emperor did... You'll change your tune when the Paul-clone army is finished!

166 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:35:53pm

re: #162 LudwigVanQuixote

Face it Varek, you are just not evil enough to be a proper Sith. If you were, we would find that both Pauls are your apprentices and you are planning to have them duel to see which is stronger.

Yeah, I'm the "making myself as powerful as possible but loathe political power" kind of Sith. Galactic domination's just not my thing. Flinging starships at my enemies though...

I don't have Palpatine's patience.

:)

167 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:35:54pm

re: #165 windsagio

He's in the 'appear benign and helpful' phase is all.

He's just doing a damn better job of it than the Emperor did... You'll change your tune when the Paul-clone army is finished!

What are you, his other apprentice?

Ahh so many sith, one lightsaber... so much work....

168 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:35:57pm

Poor Rand...too tired? Maybe he just realized that he only has three different positions on Civil Rights and getting through Sunday will require coming up with two more.

169 wrenchwench  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:36:20pm

re: #163 windsagio

"Maybe I should just be quiet." Hahaha!

Another missed opportunity.

170 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:36:20pm

re: #157 Sionainn

I think since 1993 when he first started practicing medicine.

Well, scratch that.

171 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:36:34pm

re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote

No, I"m a good guy. Isn't that clear from my posts? :D

172 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:36:54pm

The Sith are nothing but another overblown Tzeentchian cult

173 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:37:52pm

re: #171 windsagio

No, I"m a good guy. Isn't that clear from my posts? :D

Pansy.

re: #172 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Sith are nothing but another overblown Tzeentchian cult

I could live with that.

174 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:38:45pm

re: #168 darthstar

In fairness, I think we're all tired. Keeping up with this nightmare is freakin' exhausting!

175 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:38:57pm

re: #173 Varek Raith

I could live with that.

Its all fun and games until you explode in a mass of tentacles and gnashing teeth.

176 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:40:09pm

re: #174 windsagio

For instance: I didn't know until just now that Rand was also saying things about BP. Sleep 5 hours, and look what you miss!

Keeping up with the Pauls is a fulltime job >

177 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:40:30pm

re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its all fun and games until you explode in a mass of tentacles and gnashing teeth.

Just means I'm one step closer to His Holiness.

178 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:41:34pm

re: #177 Varek Raith

Just means I'm one step closer to His Holiness.

Actually, it means you've failed utterly and become another mindless warpspawned abomination.

But hey, we can work with that.

179 wrenchwench  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:41:55pm

re: #163 windsagio

Oh, shit! Murray Rothbard! Fellow travelers! Rand drove him to the airport.

During the 1970s and 1980s, Rothbard was active in the Libertarian Party. He was frequently involved in the party's internal politics. From 1978 to 1983, he was associated with the Libertarian Party Radical Caucus, allying himself with Justin Raimondo, Eric Garris and Williamson Evers. He opposed the "low tax liberalism" espoused by 1980 Libertarian Party presidential candidate Ed Clark and Cato Institute president Edward H Crane III. Rothbard split with the Radical Caucus at the 1983 national convention over cultural issues, and aligned himself with what he called the "rightwing populist" wing of the party, notably Lew Rockwell and Ron Paul, who ran for President on the Libertarian Party ticket in 1988 and in the 2008 Republican Party Primaries.

In 1989, Rothbard left the Libertarian Party and began building bridges to the post-Cold War anti-interventionist right, calling himself a paleolibertarian.[62] He was the founding president of the conservative-libertarian John Randolph Club and supported the presidential campaign of Pat Buchanan in 1992, saying "with Pat Buchanan as our leader, we shall break the clock of social democracy."[63] However, later he became disillusioned and said Buchanan developed too much faith in economic planning and centralized state power.[64]

Yep, should have kept quiet.

180 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:42:23pm

re: #178 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actually, it means you've failed utterly and become another mindless warpspawned abomination.

But hey, we can work with that.

Damn, it would help if I researched that better.

181 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:42:26pm

Okay...it's a gorgeous day here in Monterey...I think I'll take a walk and check out the sights...wife's off at meetings anyway, so I get to fill the role of Trophy Husband and go play tourist.

182 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:43:07pm

re: #180 Varek Raith

Damn, it would help if I researched that better.

Did you get a receipt for your soul?

183 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:43:17pm

re: #172 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Sith are nothing but another overblown Tzeentchian cult

They are an affront to the majesty of Lord Khorne! Blood for the Blood God!

184 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:43:22pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did you get a receipt for your soul?

Yes.

185 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:43:52pm

re: #172 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Sith are nothing but another overblown Tzeentchian cult

Ahh warhammer...

and in th meantime in the real world lets talk about the future of America.

Please look at this:

Image: famine.jpg

That is America in 2100.

186 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:44:16pm

Sheesh, you WH40k people....

187 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:44:23pm

re: #184 Varek Raith

Yes.

Well, thats a plus. Now you just have to wait in to customer service department till they call you.

188 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:44:44pm

re: #185 LudwigVanQuixote

Well that's a mood lifter.

189 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:45:10pm

re: #185 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahh warhammer...

and in th meantime in the real world lets talk about the future of America.

Please look at this:

Image: famine.jpg

That is America in 2100.

Harshing our buzz, man.

Though, I see your point.

190 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:45:10pm

re: #116 Guanxi88

Yes, and it's up to folk like us to bring some goddamned order to it and start culling these alternates and variants.

Ploughed, not plowed

etc.

this is the internet and these threads move REALLY REALLY REALLY FAST, so I'm totally not concerned about niggling little grammar stuff. Especially when you're not a traditional toch-typist like me.

We're not 50 years ago, we're not sitting and writing letters that we can take great care with. It's a blog, and there's been like a dozen posts since I typed this.

191 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:45:12pm

re: #185 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahh warhammer...

and in th meantime in the real world lets talk about the future of America.

Please look at this:

Image: famine.jpg

That is America in 2100.

If you say so.

But I'm not going to do anything about it while I still have "Ice and Fire" to finish reading.

192 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:45:12pm

Man tells cops God told him to stroll in the nude

THIBODAUX, La. — A man who told police that God told him to walk the streets naked to save his soul has been arrested. Thibodaux police responded to an obscenity complaint around 2 a.m. Thursday and found Shafiq Mohamed walking nude down the street. When approached, Mohamed reportedly told officers that "America raped him" and added God told him to walk the streets naked to save his soul.

Mohamed was taken into custody and charged with obscenity. He was booked into the Lafourche Parish Detention Center where he awaited bail.

It was not immediately known whether Mohamed has an attorney.

Turns out there is a precedent for this sort of thing.

193 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:45:55pm

Sorry Zevon..RIP


I'd lay my head on the railroad tracks
And wait for the Double "E"
But the railroad don't run no more
Poor, poor pitiful me

Poor, poor pitiful me
Poor, poor pitiful me
These young nazi's won't let me be
Lord have mercy on me
Woe is me

Well, I met a teabagger in West Hollywood
I ain't naming names
She really worked me over good
She was just like Jesse James
She really worked me over good
She was a credit to her gender
She put me through some changes, Lord
Sort of like a Waring blender

Poor, poor pitiful me
Poor, poor pitiful me
These young Nazi's won't let me be
Lord have mercy on me
Woe is me

Well, I met Sarah at the Rainbow bar
She asked me if I'd beat her
She took me back to the Hyatt House
I don't want to talk about it

Poor, poor pitiful me
Poor, poor pitiful me
These young Nazi's won't let me be
Lord have mercy on me
Woe is me

194 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:46:02pm

re: #192 Shiplord Kirel

Man tells cops God told him to stroll in the nude

Turns out there is a precedent for this sort of thing.

God's....weird...
XD

195 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:46:18pm

I liken it to a conversation. Do we all go around correcting everyone's grammar in conversational English? I might gently correct a pronunciation, but that's about it.

196 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:46:21pm

re: #190 WindUpBird

You chose a good time (for your work) to stop by man, things are pretty dead >

197 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:46:33pm

re: #188 windsagio

Well that's a mood lifter.

Well that is America in 2100 if we do not change course. That is what an eco-collapse will look like for the people of America.

There is really nothing else more important.

Let's try again.

This is what Kansas will look like in 2100. Only the people will be mostly white.

Image: famine.jpg

198 b_sharp  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:46:52pm

re: #138 HoosierHoops

Hi Steve! Guess me and the boys are driving the back roads for about 20 minutes to hang out at the Indy race track Saturday..With I dunno 50,000 fans all day? It will be great..Indy Qualifying...

I am jealous.

199 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:47:05pm

re: #195 WindUpBird

Correcting people on that kind of thing I actually find quite rude. Its akin to the geek "Well, actually...." disease.

If it doesn't matter, let it og >>

200 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:47:09pm

re: #195 WindUpBird

I liken it to a conversation. Do we all go around correcting everyone's grammar in conversational English? I might gently correct a pronunciation, but that's about it.

It's all good unless you mispronounce "nuclear". Then I go all Sith on ya!

201 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:47:21pm

re: #191 Cato the Elder

If you say so.

But I'm not going to do anything about it while I still have "Ice and Fire" to finish reading.

One more comment like that Cato and I will tell you about what happens to Tyrion in the third book.

202 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:47:24pm

re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its all fun and games until you explode in a mass of tentacles and gnashing teeth.

Chaos gifts!

203 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:47:32pm

re: #197 LudwigVanQuixote

Dude I know, just sayin'. I wouldn't abate from your point at all :P

204 Sionainn  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:47:46pm

"It was not immediately known whether Mohamed has an attorney."

Who needs an attorney when you have God on your side.

//

205 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:48:09pm

re: #204 Sionainn

Wait, wut?

206 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:48:15pm

re: #185 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahh warhammer...

and in th meantime in the real world lets talk about the future of America.

Please look at this:

Image: famine.jpg

That is America in 2100.

Oh dear.
That was disturbing...

I would rather stick with talking about my new ork battlewagons. It's Friday night. I can get back to horrible reality on Monday.

207 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:48:45pm

Rand Paul on Deadly Mine Collapse: Sometimes Accidents Happen
Washington Independent
By Mike Lillis 5/21/10 5:34 PM

Late last month, two young coal miners were killed in western Kentucky when a roof collapsed at the Dotiki coal mine, a non-union operation owned by Tulsa, Okla.-based Alliance Resource Partners.

Today, Rand Paul, the GOP nominee to replace outgoing Kentucky Sen. Jim Bunning (R), weighed in on the disaster:

“We had a mining accident that was very tragic,” he told Good Morning America. “But then we come in and it’s always someone’s fault. Maybe sometimes accidents happen.

208 ArchangelMichael  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:48:52pm

"You shouldn't back out of MTP Rand. Farrakhan backed out of MTP once... once."

209 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:48:52pm

re: #203 windsagio

Dude I know, just sayin'. I wouldn't abate from your point at all :P

I know. I am just sitting here thinking about how we have to re-fight things that I had honestly believed this nation moved past while the clock continues to tick.

210 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:49:01pm

re: #200 Varek Raith

It's all good unless you mispronounce "nuclear". Then I go all Sith on ya!


#21: Gentlemen, choose your weapons.
#24: Is this them?
#21: 'Are these they.'
#24: Who talks like that?
The Monarch: Out of the way! I'm the leader here, I'll distribute the... wha. (uneasy pause) Are these they?

211 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:49:32pm

re: #193 HoosierHoops

Sorry Zevon..RIP


I'd lay my head on the railroad tracks
And wait for the Double "E"
But the railroad don't run no more
Poor, poor pitiful me

Poor, poor pitiful me
Poor, poor pitiful me
These young nazi's won't let me be
Lord have mercy on me
Woe is me

Well, I met a teabagger in West Hollywood
I ain't naming names
She really worked me over good
She was just like Jesse James
She really worked me over good
She was a credit to her gender
She put me through some changes, Lord
Sort of like a Waring blender

Poor, poor pitiful me
Poor, poor pitiful me
These young Nazi's won't let me be
Lord have mercy on me
Woe is me

Well, I met Sarah at the Rainbow bar
She asked me if I'd beat her
She took me back to the Hyatt House
I don't want to talk about it

Poor, poor pitiful me
Poor, poor pitiful me
These young Nazi's won't let me be
Lord have mercy on me
Woe is me

Inquiring minds want to know. ;)

212 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:49:42pm

re: #210 WindUpBird

#21: Gentlemen, choose your weapons.
#24: Is this them?
#21: 'Are these they.'
#24: Who talks like that?
The Monarch: Out of the way! I'm the leader here, I'll distribute the... wha. (uneasy pause) Are these they?

MINT IN BOX!

213 Sionainn  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:51:05pm

re: #205 windsagio

Wait, wut?

Whoops, forgot to put the link to the post (#192). That does seem like an odd thing to just throw out there without it.

214 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:51:12pm

re: #212 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

MINT IN BOX!

hahahahaha :D

My FAVORITE THING is that in the commentary tracks, Doc Hammer actually does get excited and nerdy and start talking like #21 in that voice-cracky way. :D

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:51:12pm

re: #192 Shiplord Kirel

Man tells cops God told him to stroll in the nude


Turns out there is a precedent for this sort of thing.

I recall Molly Ivins talking about a family from Texas that got a message from God to all strip naked, get into a car, and drive to Floydada. Molly mentioned this in the context of her concern about what she referred to as 'Lord impersonators', ie, whoever it is who keep giving people directions while claimin' to be the Lord that you just know the Lord would never have given.

The people impersonatin' the Lord upset Molly, and she wanted the Texas lege to look into making Lord impersonation illegal.

I do hope this man gets back on his meds.

216 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:51:54pm

re: #202 WindUpBird

Chaos gifts!


"She turned me into a spawn!"
*various astounded looks from the village and knights*
"...I got better!"

217 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:51:57pm

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

I recall Molly Ivins talking about a family from Texas that got a message from God to all strip naked, get into a car, and drive to Floydada. Molly mentioned this in the context of her concern about what she referred to as 'Lord impersonators', ie, whoever it is who keep giving people directions while claimin' to be the Lord that you just know the Lord would never have given.

The people impersonatin' the Lord upset Molly, and she wanted the Texas lege to look into making Lord impersonation illegal.

I do hope this man gets back on his meds.

I'm starting a band called "The Lord Impersonators."

I'm also starting a band called "The Matador Injuries."

218 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:52:16pm

Grrr. Just remembered the worthless little shit who my kids were playing with who snuck into the bedroom and decided to rip open my limited edition still in the box Boba Fett, then lost half the accessories before I got home.

That morning, $500 bucks to a collector, that after noon, scrap.

219 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:52:20pm

About the "Correcting people thing"

Also just a chance to link a hella funny comic >

220 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:52:45pm

re: #217 WindUpBird

I'm starting a band called "The Lord Impersonators."

I'm also starting a band called "The Matador Injuries."

IN college, I was briefly in a punk/thrash band called the blender puppies.

221 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:52:55pm

re: #219 windsagio

Wondermark is so great :D

222 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:53:24pm

re: #207 Gus 802

Rand Paul on Deadly Mine Collapse: Sometimes Accidents Happen
Washington Independent
By Mike Lillis 5/21/10 5:34 PM


Yeah, if we just let the marketplace take care of that, then miners will stop working for that company when enough of them die.

//////

223 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:53:40pm

re: #218 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Grrr. Just remembered the worthless little shit who my kids were playing with who snuck into the bedroom and decided to rip open my limited edition still in the box Boba Fett, then lost half the accessories before I got home.

That morning, $500 bucks to a collector, that after noon, scrap.

Shall we use that as an opening to a very late term abortion debate?

224 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:53:41pm

re: #211 celticdragon

Inquiring minds want to know. ;)


HoosierHoops
Registered since: Jun 12, 2008 at 1:20 pm
No. of comments posted: 23,743
No. of links posted: 0

I talk a lot about everything....
What do you want to know?
*wink*

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:54:11pm

re: #222 celticdragon

Yeah, if we just let the marketplace take care of that, then miners will stop working for that company when enough of them die.

///

I'm getting the sense that Rand isn't wildly concerned about workplace safety.

226 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:54:39pm

re: #224 HoosierHoops

You forgot your 22000 karma >>

227 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:54:41pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm getting the sense that Rand isn't wildly concerned about workplace safety.


Me too.

228 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:54:50pm

re: #223 LudwigVanQuixote

Shall we use that as an opening to a very late term abortion debate?

Who can really get attached to someone in 8 years?

229 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:54:57pm

re: #220 LudwigVanQuixote

IN college, I was briefly in a punk/thrash band called the blender puppies.

ahahahahahah YAY :D

My bands I was in during high school and college were Prime Meridian (Van-Halen/Queensrychey prog metal), Grooveyard (bluesy grunge) and [redacted because it's my ID on the internet] (goth-metal)

(this was Kent, Washington. Every single kid in town was in a band, I swear)

230 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:55:06pm

A video for the good people of the Texas School Board :)

231 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:56:00pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

Its only marginally connected, but I feel the need to say this.

"Seriously, Fuck the Coal industry".

It burns my soul that polticians have to suck up to those dirtbags.

232 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:56:02pm

A bullet will make a clock stop ticking, but there is nothing that can make humans stop living for today and ignoring the far-distant future. Or even next month, for that matter.

No matter how much we bleat that "our children are our future", we don't believe it, because it's not true. Our children are and will be their own present when we're gone, and they do not and will not live for us, just as we do not and would not live for our grandparents, not even if they begged us to.

Personally I don't care who curses me when I'm dead.

233 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:56:25pm

re: #230 LudwigVanQuixote

here's another one!

234 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:56:40pm

re: #229 WindUpBird

Can I tell the cool trivia about "Prime Maridian", or is it too close to personal info?

235 b_sharp  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:56:44pm

re: #229 WindUpBird

ahahahahahah YAY :D

My bands I was in during high school and college were Prime Meridian (Van-Halen/Queensrychey prog metal), Grooveyard (bluesy grunge) and [redacted because it's my ID on the internet] (goth-metal)

(this was Kent, Washington. Every single kid in town was in a band, I swear)

Frozen Heat
SinJin

236 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:56:51pm

re: #185 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahh warhammer...

and in th meantime in the real world lets talk about the future of America.

Please look at this:

Image: famine.jpg

That is America in 2100.

Worse than that, I'd figure. There's lots more infrastructure around here that can crumble in impressive ways, lots of heavy machinery lying around, and plenty of guns & ammo that will last long after the food runs out.

237 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:57:46pm

re: #234 windsagio

Can I tell the cool trivia about "Prime Maridian", or is it too close to personal info?

which...cool trivia? o_o The part about us breaking into Gasworks park and climbing on top of the whole structure, defying death? :D

238 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:58:21pm

re: #237 WindUpBird

No hte part about it being named after the Gated Community you lived in at the time >>

(OOH BURN ON YOUR ROCK CRED!)

239 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:58:38pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm getting the sense that Rand isn't wildly concerned about workplace safety.

Since when has mere human life been more valuable than profits to these people?

Again, America in 2100, this is what the GOP will help bring you and what we as a society are bringing on ourselves. It's just that the GOP revels in it and thinks its a good thing, because after all, profits are more important.

Image: famine_near_corpse.jpg

Of course starvation affect white people too....

240 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:58:50pm

re: #236 negativ

Worse than that, I'd figure. There's lots more infrastructure around here that can crumble in impressive ways, lots of heavy machinery lying around, and plenty of guns & ammo that will last long after the food runs out.


I think that The Road Warrior covered that.

241 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:58:57pm

re: #236 negativ

Worse than that, I'd figure. There's lots more infrastructure around here that can crumble in impressive ways, lots of heavy machinery lying around, and plenty of guns & ammo that will last long after the food runs out.

That is the proper picture.

242 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:59:01pm

I need to get into another band, preferably something that plays 14 minute long songs with extended breaks in 11/8 and lots of spaced out analog keyboards

243 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:59:34pm

re: #240 celticdragon

I think that The Road Warrior covered that.

Yes and brought to you so that some can get wealthy and others can buy useless crap.

244 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:59:47pm

re: #238 windsagio

No hte part about it being named after the Gated Community you lived in at the time >>

(OOH BURN ON YOUR ROCK CRED!)

I have no rock cred! You can reveal that, that's fine. :D

The rock cred all came from our guitarist and our bassist, who were genuine freaks. I was the nerd with the nice parents who let everyone practice at our house!

245 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 2:59:56pm

re: #236 negativ

Worse than that, I'd figure. There's lots more infrastructure around here that can crumble in impressive ways, lots of heavy machinery lying around, and plenty of guns & ammo that will last long after the food runs out.

I meant, you have it more right.

246 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:00:56pm

re: #244 WindUpBird

Every band needs the Stable one with the big Garage (or whatever room)

247 b_sharp  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:01:14pm

re: #239 LudwigVanQuixote

Since when has mere human life been more valuable than profits to these people?

Again, America in 2100, this is what the GOP will help bring you and what we as a society are bringing on ourselves. It's just that the GOP revels in it and thinks its a good thing, because after all, profits are more important.

Image: famine_near_corpse.jpg

Of course starvation affect white people too...

ave

Since when have ordinary humans been important to the powerful? Throughout history, common man has been a tool to be used and discarded. Things never change.

248 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:01:16pm

re: #236 negativ

Worse than that, I'd figure. There's lots more infrastructure around here that can crumble in impressive ways, lots of heavy machinery lying around, and plenty of guns & ammo that will last long after the food runs out.

Join the Brotherhood of Steel!

249 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:01:48pm

re: #243 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes and brought to you so that some can get wealthy and others can buy useless crap.

MasterBlaster runs Bartertown!

250 Olsonist  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:02:37pm

re: #249 celticdragon

Who runs Bartertown?

251 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:03:34pm

Speaking of Gasworks Park, at some point I have to Attend this.

252 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:03:53pm

re: #248 WindUpBird

Join the Brotherhood of Steel!


Khorne will reward your offerings of praise...

253 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:04:26pm

re: #250 Olsonist

Who runs Bartertown?


Embargo on!

254 Sionainn  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:05:26pm

re: #251 windsagio

Speaking of Gasworks Park, at some point I have to Attend this.

A Caesar's Palace cocktail waitress reunion?

255 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:05:55pm

re: #218 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Grrr. Just remembered the worthless little shit who my kids were playing with who snuck into the bedroom and decided to rip open my limited edition still in the box Boba Fett, then lost half the accessories before I got home.

That morning, $500 bucks to a collector, that after noon, scrap.

Had a co-worker who had a similar thing happen to his mint-in-box large-size IG-88.

256 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:06:28pm

re: #254 Sionainn

Its funny because at about htat time I'll actually be at Caesar's Palace >>

257 Sionainn  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:07:28pm

re: #256 windsagio

Its funny because at about htat time I'll actually be at Caesar's Palace >>

LOL!

258 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:07:54pm

re: #239 LudwigVanQuixote

Since when has mere human life been more valuable than profits to these people?

Again, America in 2100, this is what the GOP will help bring you and what we as a society are bringing on ourselves. It's just that the GOP revels in it and thinks its a good thing, because after all, profits are more important.

Image: famine_near_corpse.jpg

Of course starvation affect white people too...

oh, brother.

259 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:08:05pm

re: #242 WindUpBird

I need to get into another band, preferably something that plays 14 minute long songs with extended breaks in 11/8 and lots of spaced out analog keyboards

Move to Ohio, if you could hit your drums with the same approximate velocity every time so I wouldn't have to compress the fuck out of them and kill the transients or cut and paste them for four hours, your hired!

260 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:08:22pm

re: #258 Aceofwhat?

Do me a huuuuge favor and don't engage >>

261 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:08:42pm

re: #260 windsagio

Altho I suppose it'd be an excuse for me to get off my ass and go out and get some food ;)

262 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:08:55pm

re: #242 WindUpBird

I need to get into another band, preferably something that plays 14 minute long songs with extended breaks in 11/8 and lots of spaced out analog keyboards

Might wanna put together a Gentle Giant tribue band.

Hmm, I think it's time to listen to King Crimson's "RED" again.

263 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:09:32pm

re: #218 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Grrr. Just remembered the worthless little shit who my kids were playing with who snuck into the bedroom and decided to rip open my limited edition still in the box Boba Fett, then lost half the accessories before I got home.

That morning, $500 bucks to a collector, that after noon, scrap.


Ouch. :(

264 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:11:54pm

re: #185 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahh warhammer...

and in th meantime in the real world lets talk about the future of America.

Please look at this:

Image: famine.jpg

That is America in 2100.

If your predictions are correct, I think famine USA is more likely to look like this, or like this, or like this, because I don't think that you can compare African famines, exacerbated by warlords who use food donations to control the population, or political famines like the Ukraine, with a natural disaster like the Dust Bowl.

265 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:12:53pm

re: #260 windsagio

Do me a huuuge favor and don't engage >>

ok. you owe me one, though...

266 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:13:18pm

re: #218 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Grrr. Just remembered the worthless little shit who my kids were playing with who snuck into the bedroom and decided to rip open my limited edition still in the box Boba Fett, then lost half the accessories before I got home.

That morning, $500 bucks to a collector, that after noon, scrap.

Did you sue the living shit out of his parents?

267 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:13:57pm

re: #265 Aceofwhat?

I will grant you one point I don't agree with in a political matter.

You have to remind me tho!

268 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:15:12pm

re: #264 Alouette

If your predictions are correct, I think famine USA is more likely to look like this, or like this, or like this, because I don't think that you can compare African famines, exacerbated by warlords who use food donations to control the population, or political famines like the Ukraine, with a natural disaster like the Dust Bowl.

That is more like America in 2070-2090 at the current rate.

By 2100-2120, there will be diminished resources held onto by local warlords and it will be exactly like the African famines.

269 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:15:25pm

re: #266 Alouette

Did you sue the living shit out of his parents?

What good would that do? The lawyers retainer is far more than the replacement cost. Also, collectible toys, no matter how expensive, are not taken as seriously as other types of property damage.

270 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:16:45pm

Ok yeah, nows a good time for a break.

I personally hope our dark future looks like this/

271 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:17:02pm

re: #268 LudwigVanQuixote

That is more like America in 2070-2090 at the current rate.

By 2100-2120, there will be diminished resources held onto by local warlords and it will be exactly like the African famines.

Can I borrow your crystal ball, please?

272 Digital Display  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:17:05pm

re: #226 windsagio

You forgot your 22000 karma >>

No I have not...Most of my updings came from me posting about my son in Iraq..Last year most of my avatars was Jordan and the 3/5th Marines...The day my boy came home I had told everybody the weight of the world came off my back..And my avatar would be my little dog floating around the pool.....
That's how God has blessed my family...I remember when I was a newbee here from justoneminute blog that I posted about how hard it was to get a satt phone call from a rooftop in Fallujah at 3am..How it effected us..I dunno..But It didn't know what a upding was..But I think I still own the all time record...Most updings of all time? Charles?
To post about Jordan from a rooftop in Iraq at 3am...Thank you Charles..

273 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:17:35pm

re: #264 Alouette

If your predictions are correct, I think famine USA is more likely to look like this, or like this, or like this, because I don't think that you can compare African famines, exacerbated by warlords who use food donations to control the population, or political famines like the Ukraine, with a natural disaster like the Dust Bowl.

Again, what would 60-90% crop loss look like in this nation, coupled with millions of refugees from the expanding deserts and flooded coasts? There is going ot be more happening than just the lack of food. There will be those with the power to seize what is left and those on the outside.

274 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:17:39pm

re: #268 LudwigVanQuixote

That is more like America in 2070-2090 at the current rate.

By 2100-2120, there will be diminished resources held onto by local warlords and it will be exactly like the African famines.


You have been hitting Robert Kaplan pretty hard, have you?

275 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:19:00pm

re: #270 windsagio

Ok yeah, nows a good time for a break.

I personally hope our dark future looks like this/

no way. this.

276 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:19:14pm

re: #271 Cato the Elder

Can I borrow your crystal ball, please?

Sure:

Read this and understand what it means:

[Link: www.agcarbonmarkets.com...]

The United States produces 41% of the world’s corn and 38% of the
world’s soybeans. These crops comprise two of the four largest
sources of caloric energy produced and are thus critical for world
food supply. We pair a panel of county-level yields for these two
crops, plus cotton (a warmer-weather crop), with a new fine-scale
weather dataset that incorporates the whole distribution of temperatures
within each day and across all days in the growing
season. We find that yields increase with temperature up to 29° C
for corn, 30° C for soybeans, and 32° C for cotton but that temperatures
above these thresholds are very harmful. The slope of
the decline above the optimum is significantly steeper than the
incline below it. The same nonlinear and asymmetric relationship
is found when we isolate either time-series or cross-sectional
variations in temperatures and yields. This suggests limited historical
adaptation of seed varieties or management practices to
warmer temperatures because the cross-section includes farmers’
adaptations to warmer climates and the time-series does not.
Holding current growing regions fixed, area-weighted average
yields are predicted to decrease by 30–46% before the end of the
century under the slowest (B1) warming scenario and decrease by
63–82% under the most rapid warming scenario (A1FI) under the
Hadley III model.

277 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:19:43pm

re: #275 Aceofwhat?

Nice reference :D


also, gotta love the guy holding his 'club' >>

278 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:21:19pm

re: #276 LudwigVanQuixote

must...resist...promised...friend...hurting...arghhh...the pain...mmmph...

279 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:21:43pm

re: #274 celticdragon

You have been hitting Robert Kaplan pretty hard, have you?

NO not at all. I have been hitting the proceedings of the National Academy pretty hard. I also know history. When there is enough food for three people and ten people want it, they kill each other over it, and others just starve.

This is not junk science. This is not hyperbole. Read the science and take this seriously. We change our ways in the coming decades or we really do face a Mad Max world.

[Link: www.agcarbonmarkets.com...]

The United States produces 41% of the world’s corn and 38% of the
world’s soybeans. These crops comprise two of the four largest
sources of caloric energy produced and are thus critical for world
food supply. We pair a panel of county-level yields for these two
crops, plus cotton (a warmer-weather crop), with a new fine-scale
weather dataset that incorporates the whole distribution of temperatures
within each day and across all days in the growing
season. We find that yields increase with temperature up to 29° C
for corn, 30° C for soybeans, and 32° C for cotton but that temperatures
above these thresholds are very harmful. The slope of
the decline above the optimum is significantly steeper than the
incline below it. The same nonlinear and asymmetric relationship
is found when we isolate either time-series or cross-sectional
variations in temperatures and yields. This suggests limited historical
adaptation of seed varieties or management practices to
warmer temperatures because the cross-section includes farmers’
adaptations to warmer climates and the time-series does not.
Holding current growing regions fixed, area-weighted average
yields are predicted to decrease by 30–46% before the end of the
century under the slowest (B1) warming scenario and decrease by
63–82% under the most rapid warming scenario (A1FI) under the
Hadley III model.

280 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:22:02pm

re: #278 Aceofwhat?

No I'm gone, have fun. (ignore that I can't be gone and post this please)

I realease you from your promise!

281 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:22:24pm

re: #278 Aceofwhat?

must...resist...promised...friend...hurting...argh hh...the pain...mmmph...

Resist what Ace?

Seriously? If you have some science to counter me with, bring it. If not, STFU.

282 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:23:15pm

re: #281 LudwigVanQuixote

dude, I asked him not to argue with you.

He had agreed, and was being funny about it.

I know this is important, but you've really gotta chill sometimes.

283 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:24:17pm

The coolest Western you've never seen.....
John Hurt monologue (the proposition)

Nice shout out to Darwin about half way through. An excellent film set in the late 1800's in Australia. I would have linked to trailer but it contains too many spoilers. I very dark and gritty movie. I loved it.

284 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:24:36pm

re: #276 LudwigVanQuixote

Cato. My literate friend.

Will you PLEASE tell him that "holding current growing areas fixed" means that they did not calculate how much can be derived from land that is not currently being farmed?

I tried for hours one night to tell him that the sentence, as written, applies to the study in broad fashion. I've had more luck telling my kids not to get sand on their feet at the beach...

285 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:24:56pm

re: #282 windsagio

dude, I asked him not to argue with you.

He had agreed, and was being funny about it.

I know this is important, but you've really gotta chill sometimes.

Dude I get that. However, the future of America looks like:

Image: famine-in-india-773636.jpg

This is not something to chill about.

So if he has anything scientific to counter with, let him bring it.

286 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:25:12pm

Silly work coming up at work.

287 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:25:55pm

Why is it some dick always waits until 3:00 on a Friday to remember his special urgent project?

288 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:26:04pm

re: #286 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Silly work coming up at work.

You know working here would be great if it wasn't for all the customers!

289 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:26:07pm
290 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:26:17pm

Well, my afternoon has gotten exciting.

The mailman just came to the door. There's some kind of mysterious green substance on the mail. I graciously allowed him to use my bathroom to wash his hands of the whatever it is. (The graciousness is becaues the house is a mess, and I'd rather no one see it right now. I just happen to live closest to the mailbox.)

I can't get my mail now until someone tests it. He said we're waiting for "them" to come and test the mail.

And it's raining cats and dogs, so I hope he's happy in his truck. Probably has favorite stations.

291 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:26:29pm

re: #287 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why is it some dick always waits until 3:00 on a Friday to remember his special urgent project?

Because he's a dick???

292 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:26:29pm

re: #284 Aceofwhat?

And it is still a very irrelevant point, Ace. Where will get the resources to claim that land while the old land withers? We don't have infinite resources now, and we'll have incredibly limited resources then.

293 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:26:57pm
294 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:27:21pm

re: #285 LudwigVanQuixote

You have fun with that.

I for one realize that the denialists won't listen to you regardless, and will spare myself the pain :p

So I'm out.

/ducks!

295 jamesfirecat  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:27:42pm

re: #292 Obdicut

And it is still a very irrelevant point, Ace. Where will get the resources to claim that land while the old land withers? We don't have infinite resources now, and we'll have incredibly limited resources then.

////Shut up, shut up! Everyone knows the earth is a flat disc, that way it can go on forever with infinite resources for those who are willing to pull themselves up by their bootstraps!

296 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:28:09pm

re: #295 jamesfirecat

That's not fair. Ace is not a bootstraps-solves-everything type.

297 windsagio  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:28:16pm

re: #294 windsagio

actually gotta fix the stupid popup (last try I swear!)

So I'm out!

298 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:28:19pm

re: #291 Varek Raith

Because he's a dick???

He's a dick who just got told to fuck off, in a workplace friendly manner.

299 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:28:21pm

re: #284 Aceofwhat?

Cato. My literate friend.

Will you PLEASE tell him that "holding current growing areas fixed" means that they did not calculate how much can be derived from land that is not currently being farmed?

I tried for hours one night to tell him that the sentence, as written, applies to the study in broad fashion. I've had more luck telling my kids not to get sand on their feet at the beach...

Ace, read the paper and don't be an idiot. The reason you failed is because you apparently can not do math and have no understanding of wich areas will be affected.

Lets look to this to help you out of that pickle shall we.

[Link: www.gfdl.noaa.gov...]

Read the graph and tell me where all that new food will come from. It is true that for a while Canada will florish. But as we approach a six degree world - which we are certainly marching towards, Canada suffers too.

Don't you dare take the tone that you know shit about this or have looked at the facts.

300 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:28:24pm

re: #293 celticdragon

I really like the Blade Runner look...

Or maybe Shadowrun.

Ah, the future, where we've apprently forgotten how to pick up, and children exist only when they are needed as a plot point.

301 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:29:59pm

You know what?

I'm too old to save the world.

But I'm not too old to ignore the future and have fun on a Friday night.

Check you all later!

302 Decider  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:30:16pm

Conservative Playbook Rule #1: Always blame the "Liberal Mainstream Media" for all your problems.

303 Olsonist  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:30:23pm

re: #284 Aceofwhat?

Do you see our farmable land massively increasing? We've already denuded the forests of this continent and we're working on South America as we speak. Improper irrigation is destroying arable land in CA.

304 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:30:44pm

"They" have arrived in a big red truck, and are now doing something. Not sure what, but I'm hoping that after all this fuss, the mail is worth it, and not just ads and catalogs.

305 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:32:10pm

re: #279 LudwigVanQuixote

NO not at all. I have been hitting the proceedings of the National Academy pretty hard. I also know history. When there is enough food for three people and ten people want it, they kill each other over it, and others just starve.

This is not junk science. This is not hyperbole. Read the science and take this seriously. We change our ways in the coming decades or we really do face a Mad Max world.

[Link: www.agcarbonmarkets.com...]

The United States produces 41% of the world’s corn and 38% of the
world’s soybeans. These crops comprise two of the four largest
sources of caloric energy produced and are thus critical for world
food supply. We pair a panel of county-level yields for these two
crops, plus cotton (a warmer-weather crop), with a new fine-scale
weather dataset that incorporates the whole distribution of temperatures
within each day and across all days in the growing
season. We find that yields increase with temperature up to 29° C
for corn, 30° C for soybeans, and 32° C for cotton but that temperatures
above these thresholds are very harmful. The slope of
the decline above the optimum is significantly steeper than the
incline below it. The same nonlinear and asymmetric relationship
is found when we isolate either time-series or cross-sectional
variations in temperatures and yields. This suggests limited historical
adaptation of seed varieties or management practices to
warmer temperatures because the cross-section includes farmers’
adaptations to warmer climates and the time-series does not.
Holding current growing regions fixed, area-weighted average
yields are predicted to decrease by 30–46% before the end of the
century under the slowest (B1) warming scenario and decrease by
63–82% under the most rapid warming scenario (A1FI) under the
Hadley III model.

You may want to have actually read about Kaplan before getting annoyed.

Kaplan is a Hobbesian pessimist and he is one of the best foreign travel/affairs writers out there. We might have avoided the nightmare in Iraq if the geniuses at The Weekly Standard had paid attention to some of his warnings on the intersection of tribalism and modern weapons...

306 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:32:26pm

re: #279 LudwigVanQuixote

This part bears repeating.

The slope of the decline above the optimum is significantly steeper than the incline below it. The same nonlinear and asymmetric relationship is found when we isolate either time-series or cross-sectional variations in temperatures and yields.


In other words: No, we can't build up a surplus from the increased yields. Decrease is steeper than increase.

307 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:33:14pm

re: #285 LudwigVanQuixote

Dude I get that. However, the future of America looks like:

Image: famine-in-india-773636.jpg

This is not something to chill about.

So if he has anything scientific to counter with, let him bring it.

boring....the aggressive outbursts are the best part, otherwise you are simply boring

308 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:33:18pm

re: #304 EmmmieG

"They" have arrived in a big red truck, and are now doing something. Not sure what, but I'm hoping that after all this fuss, the mail is worth it, and not just ads and catalogs.

BTW, did you get the sample I sent you?

309 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:33:22pm

re: #299 LudwigVanQuixote

Ace, read the paper and don't be an idiot. The reason you failed is because you apparently can not do math and have no understanding of wich areas will be affected.

Lets look to this to help you out of that pickle shall we.

[Link: www.gfdl.noaa.gov...]

Read the graph and tell me where all that new food will come from. It is true that for a while Canada will florish. But as we approach a six degree world - which we are certainly marching towards, Canada suffers too.

Don't you dare take the tone that you know shit about this or have looked at the facts.

we've been through this already. don't, in your haughty mind, think that i didn't read every single thing you pushed out last time. i appreciate the links, but note that you're saying what the authors did not.

please link to sources which explicitly say that we will be starving in America en masse in 2100.

310 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:35:27pm

And so it begins.

311 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:35:47pm

re: #309 Aceofwhat?

That source does explicitly say that, Ace.

Unless you can find a way that the food shortage-- and that's not even counting the ocean food shortage-- will be made up.

And remember, limited resources.

312 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:36:03pm

re: #310 Varek Raith

And so it begins.

This won't end well.

313 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:36:48pm

re: #305 celticdragon

You may want to have actually read about Kaplan before getting annoyed.

Kaplan is a Hobbesian pessimist and he is one of the best foreign travel/affairs writers out there. We might have avoided the nightmare in Iraq if the geniuses at The Weekly Standard had paid attention to some of his warnings on the intersection of tribalism and modern weapons...

I am not annoyed at you. I don't know Kaplan and he does sound interesting. However, I want people to be clear that I am basing my predictions on solid science and not on philosophy. I don't think people take this seriously enough. Philosophy is easy to dismiss. Hard science is not.

The future of America if we do not change our ways looks like this:

Image: famine.jpg

That will be your children or grand children. If you are young enough, you will get to see it really start.

That is what will happen if we do not change our ways. It is not what might happen. It is not a maybe happen. It will happen based on the hardest science I can find.

314 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:37:21pm

re: #310 Varek Raith

And so it begins.

A series of B5 quotes?

315 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:37:52pm

re: #310 Varek Raith

And so it begins.

no. i'll stop. i am not saying that LVQ is arguing in bad faith. i am saying that if "good" is persuading others to see the light, then at times like this there is little "good" to be had.

no one wants to engage a hostile, prickly, haughty, hyperbole-prone evangelist. even if they're likely more right than wrong.

316 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:39:49pm

A lot can happen in 100 years. We hope for the best, try and prepare for the worst and live in the meantime.

317 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:40:02pm

re: #309 Aceofwhat?

we've been through this already. don't, in your haughty mind, think that i didn't read every single thing you pushed out last time. i appreciate the links, but note that you're saying what the authors did not.

please link to sources which explicitly say that we will be starving in America en masse in 2100.

Holding current growing regions fixed, area-weighted average
yields are predicted to decrease by 30–46% before the end of the
century
under the slowest (B1) warming scenario and decrease by
63–82% under the most rapid warming scenario (A1FI) under the
Hadley III model.

Hmmm the century ends in 2099 yes? It would seem you really don't read, and no that is me not being haughty, that is me catching you not reading.

before the end of the century

Which century are we in? When does it end?

Since all the current research shows that the more extreme models are more likely, you should be worried about the Hadley III scenario.

318 Olsonist  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:40:48pm

re: #305 celticdragon

I think Kaplan has a visceral understanding of the ethnic/political/geographic post-War breakdown. He is an awesome traveler and writer, and you're right about the neocons ignoring him but then they ignored everyone outside of their echo chamber.

That said, Ludwig is making a scientific argument and its conclusion will probably make Kaplans world even worse.

319 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:41:01pm

re: #315 Aceofwhat?

no. i'll stop. i am not saying that LVQ is arguing in bad faith. i am saying that if "good" is persuading others to see the light, then at times like this there is little "good" to be had.

no one wants to engage a hostile, prickly, haughty, hyperbole-prone evangelist. even if they're likely more right than wrong.

There is also such a thing as threadjacking. It's not like Charles doesn't ever post about AGW.

Seriously, Ludwig, take a chill pill. You could set yourself on fire and it still won't change the outcome.

Live and breathe and laugh while you can.

320 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:41:06pm

re: #306 Obdicut

This part bears repeating.


In other words: No, we can't build up a surplus from the increased yields. Decrease is steeper than increase.

Thank you for reading carefully Obdi. I am always glad to have you here.

321 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:41:47pm

re: #319 Cato the Elder

There is also such a thing as threadjacking. It's not like Charles doesn't ever post about AGW.

Seriously, Ludwig, take a chill pill. You could set yourself on fire and it still won't change the outcome.

Live and breathe and laugh while you can.

Did I mention that Tryion finally xxxxxxx his father? I swear Cato, don't fuck with me tonight.

322 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:42:07pm

Turns out it is the colored chalk from the processing plant.

Sigh. So anticlimactic.

Still...he...could have become a terrorist, no?

323 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:42:28pm

re: #311 Obdicut

That source does explicitly say that, Ace.

Unless you can find a way that the food shortage-- and that's not even counting the ocean food shortage-- will be made up.

And remember, limited resources.


speaking of not reading the paper...did you miss this paragraph

There are, of course, many other possible adaptations that this study cannot address. The simplest form of adaptation would be
to change the locations or seasons where and when crops are
grown.† Understanding the scope for this kind of change would
require more careful analysis of potential yield effects on a global
scale. Furthermore, if climate change were anticipated to induce
severe yield impacts on a global scale, then anticipated increases
in commodity prices would likely encourage greater investments
in new seed varieties, irrigation systems, and other technological
changes. Thus, although historical data show the same heat
tolerance in the first and second half of our sample, greater heat
tolerance still may be possible if greater returns for such
innovation arise. Recently, a National Science Foundationfunded
study completed a draft sequence of the corn genome,
which might make it easier to develop new corn varieties with
greater heat tolerance.

translation: LVQ is once again making predictions that the science cannot bear. skyhook alert! skyhook alert!

324 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:42:33pm

re: #321 LudwigVanQuixote

Did I mention that Tryion finally xxx his father? I swear Cato, don't fuck with me tonight.

what a bad ass...chill out and take Cato's advice, he's right after all

325 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:42:50pm

re: #314 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A series of B5 quotes?

The Avalanche has started, but the pebbles still have time to vote if they realize the danger.

326 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:43:36pm

re: #317 LudwigVanQuixote

Holding current growing regions fixed, area-weighted average
yields are predicted to decrease by 30–46% before the end of the
century
under the slowest (B1) warming scenario and decrease by
63–82% under the most rapid warming scenario (A1FI) under the
Hadley III model.

Hmmm the century ends in 2099 yes? It would seem you really don't read, and no that is me not being haughty, that is me catching you not reading.

before the end of the century

Which century are we in? When does it end?

Since all the current research shows that the more extreme models are more likely, you should be worried about the Hadley III scenario.

see 323. funny how you never link to the AUTHORS' conclusions.

327 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:44:10pm

re: #323 Aceofwhat?

translation: LVQ is once again making predictions that the science cannot bear. skyhook alert! skyhook alert!

Idiot. There is more to this than one paper.

Look again at this, and actually read it for once.

[Link: www.gfdl.noaa.gov...]

Where in the world will not meet those criteria for long?

So stop with your shenanigans and read and learn. Otherwise STFU.

328 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:44:56pm

re: #321 LudwigVanQuixote

Did I mention that Tryion finally xxx his father? I swear Cato, don't fuck with me tonight.

Carry on then. Burning righteousness will save the planet.

Wait, what...too much heat already? Never mind. I'm busy setting myself alight here.

329 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:45:12pm

re: #309 Aceofwhat?

we've been through this already. don't, in your haughty mind, think that i didn't read every single thing you pushed out last time. i appreciate the links, but note that you're saying what the authors did not.

please link to sources which explicitly say that we will be starving in America en masse in 2100.


Something that cannot go on forever...won't.

We have hit the limits of the Green Revolution. We are running out of Phosphorus for fertilizer. For the first time in 50 years we are now facing a new type of wheat rust that destroys crop yields. New wheat varients that are used around the world have no defense against it and it has now appeared in East Africa and South Asia.

Lack of arable crop lend was a factor in the Rwanda massacres, and we would be idiots to assume that Malthusian arithmatic simply doesn't apply to us. We may just keep going the way we have been and escape bad luck and geologic or climate change scenarios while finding new ways to keep aggresive new pathogens away.

Or we may not.

330 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:45:27pm

re: #314 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A series of B5 quotes?

"Only an idiot would fight a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the Kingdom of Idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts."

One of my faves.
:)

331 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:45:53pm

re: #327 LudwigVanQuixote

Idiot. There is more to this than one paper.

Look again at this, and actually read it for once.

[Link: www.gfdl.noaa.gov...]

Where in the world will not meet those criteria for long?

So stop with your shenanigans and read and learn. Otherwise STFU.

nice. this is the sound of you sucking as an evangelist. dude, if you turn me off...then no one who isn't already firmly in the AGW camp is going to listen to you. and if you can't get anyone to listen to you, how much good are you doing?

really...why do you think you're doing good right now? this isn't "good".

332 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:46:25pm

re: #329 celticdragon

thank you for using the word MAY. i agree fully.

333 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:47:11pm

re: #318 Olsonist

I think Kaplan has a visceral understanding of the ethnic/political/geographic post-War breakdown. He is an awesome traveler and writer, and you're right about the neocons ignoring him but then they ignored everyone outside of their echo chamber.

That said, Ludwig is making a scientific argument and its conclusion will probably make Kaplans world even worse.


I agree, but he does get into resource wars and scarcity, although Kaplan makes more of an issue in South Asia for it.

334 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:47:17pm

re: #329 celticdragon

Something that cannot go on forever...won't.

We have hit the limits of the Green Revolution. We are running out of Phosphorus for fertilizer. For the first time in 50 years we are now facing a new type of wheat rust that destroys crop yields. New wheat varients that are used around the world have no defense against it and it has now appeared in East Africa and South Asia.

Lack of arable crop lend was a factor in the Rwanda massacres, and we would be idiots to assume that Malthusian arithmatic simply doesn't apply to us. We may just keep going the way we have been and escape bad luck and geologic or climate change scenarios while finding new ways to keep aggresive new pathogens away.

Or we may not.

looks like a population adjustment is nearing...so be it, because the issues will only be addressed as far as profits take them

335 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:48:38pm

re: #330 Varek Raith

"Only an idiot would fight a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the Kingdom of Idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts."

One of my faves.
:)

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this.

Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?"

336 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:48:44pm

re: #331 Aceofwhat?

nice. this is the sound of you sucking as an evangelist. dude, if you turn me off...then no one who isn't already firmly in the AGW camp is going to listen to you. and if you can't get anyone to listen to you, how much good are you doing?

really...why do you think you're doing good right now? this isn't "good".

it's a huge turnoff...human nature FAIL

337 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:49:42pm

re: #331 Aceofwhat?

nice. this is the sound of you sucking as an evangelist. dude, if you turn me off...then no one who isn't already firmly in the AGW camp is going to listen to you. and if you can't get anyone to listen to you, how much good are you doing?

really...why do you think you're doing good right now? this isn't "good".

IN other words, when you are shown wrong by your lack of understanding you whine.

It is foolish to assume that we will somehow breed miracle crops that will grow under the new conditions. You are also forgetting that crops which do better in more arid environments have much lower yields and you are forgetting loss of soil moisture and changed rainfall patterns. All you have done is complain that that somehow magically no the future can't be as bad as the science is indicating, and cherry picking things that you misunderstand to make your false hopes seem more likely.

You are not an equal in this debate.

You do not know the material.

You should shut up and learn it before saying stupid things and then you will feel less put upon when proven wrong.

338 shades  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:50:24pm

Heat meet kitchen.

339 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:50:29pm

re: #337 LudwigVanQuixote

i've already gone longer than i said i would. i've said my part - the floor is yours. i'm not in this to have the last word.

340 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:51:09pm

re: #335 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this.

Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?"


What are you going to do...blow up the island??

341 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:51:43pm

re: #329 celticdragon

Something that cannot go on forever...won't.

We have hit the limits of the Green Revolution. We are running out of Phosphorus for fertilizer. For the first time in 50 years we are now facing a new type of wheat rust that destroys crop yields. New wheat varients that are used around the world have no defense against it and it has now appeared in East Africa and South Asia.

Lack of arable crop lend was a factor in the Rwanda massacres, and we would be idiots to assume that Malthusian arithmatic simply doesn't apply to us. We may just keep going the way we have been and escape bad luck and geologic or climate change scenarios while finding new ways to keep aggresive new pathogens away.

Or we may not.

That is an excellent point. The PNAS listed of course says that they can not predict some wonder mutation plant that has yet to be bred. However, it is foolish to assume that one will arise and then bank on it. With current crops and current patterns, massive famines in America are coming. That is a fact.

342 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:51:53pm

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

I recall Molly Ivins talking about a family from Texas that got a message from God to all strip naked, get into a car, and drive to Floydada. Molly mentioned this in the context of her concern about what she referred to as 'Lord impersonators', ie, whoever it is who keep giving people directions while claimin' to be the Lord that you just know the Lord would never have given.

The people impersonatin' the Lord upset Molly, and she wanted the Texas lege to look into making Lord impersonation illegal.

I do hope this man gets back on his meds.

I remember it well but I was surprised to find that it was so long (1993):
Naked for Christ Cops Chase Car, Find 20 Nude People

Police in Vinton, La, were surprised when a driver wearing only a towel got
out of a car they stopped, then got back in and sped off. They were dumbfounded
when the car hit a tree and disgorged 20 people wearing nothing at all.

"The Lord told them to get rid of all their belongings and go to Louisiana.
So they got rid of all their clothes and pocketbooks and wallets and
identification and the license plate off their car and came to our gorgeous
state," Vinton Police Chief Dennis Drouillard said.

All 20 were from Floydada, Texas, in the Texas Panhandle, about 550 miles from
the southwest Louisiana town of Vinton. Drouillard said he believed they all
were related.

Driver Sammy Rodriguez and his brother, Danny, both said they were Pentecostal
preachers, Drouillard said.

Floydada Police Chief James Hale said he had been looking for the Rodriguez
family since Tuesday night, when relatives reported them missing. "They made
statements like the devil was after them and Floydada was going to be destroyed
if they stayed here," Hale said.

The family left in 5 or 6 cars, abandoning 1 in Lubbock and a 2d in San
Angelo. Police found a 3d in Galveston, along with the family's clothes,
pocketbooks, wallets and other belongings.

The chase in Vinton began after a campground owner called police. A Calcasieu
Parish deputy stopped their car, and a man wearing only a towel got out.

"When the officer went to ask what was going on, he jumped back in and took
off," Drouillard said. They sped down Vinton's main street until the car hit a
tree at the baseball park at the end of town.

Fifteen adults, as old as age 63, and 5 children, piled out of the 1990
Pontiac Grand Am.

"And they were completely nude. All 20 of them. Didn't have a stitch of
clothes on. I mean, no socks, no underwear, no nothin'. Five of them [the
children] were in the trunk," Drouillard said.

The car was totaled, but the injuries all were minor, Drouillard said.

Rodriguez was booked with reckless driving, flight from an officer, property
damage and several minor traffic violations.

343 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:52:19pm

re: #339 Aceofwhat?

i've already gone longer than i said i would. i've said my part - the floor is yours. i'm not in this to have the last word.

That is because you shot your mouth off stupidly and lost.

344 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:52:22pm

re: #340 celticdragon

What are you going to do...blow up the island??

So what are you going to do, Mollari? Huh? Blow up the island.

Actually, now that you mention it.

Noooooo!

345 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:52:36pm

re: #340 celticdragon

What are you going to do...blow up the island??

Actually...

346 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:53:32pm

re: #342 Shiplord Kirel

heh. "the devil was after them"? why did they run? believers, my ass!

347 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:54:13pm

re: #323 Aceofwhat?

translation: LVQ is once again making predictions that the science cannot bear. skyhook alert! skyhook alert!

But we're not doing any of that, Ace. We're nowhere near doing any of that. If we were to have that sort of tech prepared, we need to start today.

And there is no market for it, since it is for an event in the future. The only possible source for those funds is collective action.

And again: Changing the places and the seasons stuff is grown requires an enormous expenditure in infrastructure. We're not only not doing that, as the author points out, we don't know where to do it. We need to study it more-- which means that we don't know if it would work.

I approve of your positive attitude, but I think it verges on the Pollyandrish on occasion, most especially with this one.

You're reading Dennet, so you know about Design Space now. You can envision that our current adaptation to the fitness landscape is not just an adaptation to the climate, but also the soil conditions, the sunlight conditions, the weather, the local microorganisms, the local insects, etc. etc. etc-- and they occupy the same Design Space. So when the temperature shifts, everything will shift. The insects, the microorganisms, everything will undergo change.

In order to get harvests of the kind we have now, we'd have to be able to adapt as well to the new conditions as we have to the old ones, or to hope agains hope that somehow the new conditions and the old ones match up perfectly, so that as an acre of good corn-growing land disappears another one becomes fertile. We'll have to pray to hell that the increased temperature hasn't expanded the range of hiterhto-unknown crop diseases and parasites-- we're not going to be able to rip up everything overnight and switch it all around, we have to keep producing food during this, and the harder we're hit the less we can change every year. So we face a danger of being overwhelmed, there-- not being able to shift any crops from their current infrastructure because we desperately need them for food.

When a scientist says that more study would be needed, you cannot point to that as a solution, and you definitely still have to account for the costs of the solution.

348 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:54:51pm

re: #334 albusteve

looks like a population adjustment is nearing...so be it, because the issues will only be addressed as far as profits take them


'Population adjustments' tend to be genocidal affairs that belie such a bloodless term.

Mother Nature dosn't give a damn how the 'correction' happens. It is applied with ruthless and remorsless efficiency. You don't want to be there.

349 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:55:09pm

re: #339 Aceofwhat?

i've already gone longer than i said i would. i've said my part - the floor is yours. i'm not in this to have the last word.

Didn't see this-- apologies for the mammoth post. Read it later, if you'd like.

350 Reginald Perrin  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:55:16pm

Ludwig:

I challenged the climate denier Larry Reisinger (snork) to debate global warming but he refused to accept my offer. Apparently he is much more comfortable posting his deniers bull shit at the stalker blog where nobody will question his pseudo-science.

351 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:56:11pm

re: #344 Varek Raith

So what are you going to do, Mollari? Huh? Blow up the island.

Actually, now that you mention it.

Nooo!


I loved that scene :)

352 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:57:47pm

re: #347 Obdicut

i am sorry. once again, i find myself unable to engage in this topic without dipping into the kid pool. i'd prefer to apologize to you and others who got dragged in for ending abruptly than to continue and risk responding in kind.

perhaps we can pick this up another time. i'm comfortable shouldering the perception that i somehow 'lost face', in order to keep the discussion mostly tar-free.

353 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:58:17pm

re: #349 Obdicut

Didn't see this-- apologies for the mammoth post. Read it later, if you'd like.

no need to apologize. i'll read, but i am not to big to bow out, regardless of how it may be perceived.

354 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:58:21pm

BP gulf oil spill update:

The top kill attempt on the MC252 could occur as early as Tuesday, not Sunday as we we had hoped.

The plan is to pump mud into the well via choke and kill lines. If it works, cement will be pumped in to seal the well and end the leak.

This has never been attempted at such depth.

355 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 3:59:30pm

re: #315 Aceofwhat?

no. i'll stop. i am not saying that LVQ is arguing in bad faith. i am saying that if "good" is persuading others to see the light, then at times like this there is little "good" to be had.

no one wants to engage a hostile, prickly, haughty, hyperbole-prone evangelist. even if they're likely more right than wrong.

Take your concern and stuff it. You stated out claiming my predictions were not borne out by the science and called a skyhook alert and then when it was demonstrated that you did not read or understand what was presented to you and that there was yet more evidence to counter your false claims and understanding, you got all "concerned."

Bring science to a science debate or shut up. I really do not care to pump up your ego when you wrongly shoot your mouth off.

356 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:00:12pm

re: #355 LudwigVanQuixote

i will not be baited. post links and other items as you see fit. i will read them, as i always do.

357 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:00:53pm

re: #354 Bagua

BP gulf oil spill update:

The top kill attempt on the MC252 could occur as early as Tuesday, not Sunday as we we had hoped.

The plan is to pump mud into the well via choke and kill lines. If it works, cement will be pumped in to seal the well and end the leak.

This has never been attempted at such depth.


I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

358 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:00:59pm

re: #355 LudwigVanQuixote

Take your concern and stuff it. You stated out claiming my predictions were not borne out by the science and called a skyhook alert and then when it was demonstrated that you did not read or understand what was presented to you and that there was yet more evidence to counter your false claims and understanding, you got all "concerned."

Bring science to a science debate or shut up. I really do not care to pump up your ego when you wrongly shoot your mouth off.

i apologize for saying "skyhook alert". it was unnecessarily snarky and i regret it.

359 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:01:25pm

re: #353 Aceofwhat?

Fine with me, Ace. That you're bothering to read Dennet is enough for me; you're challenging your preconceptions and I'm sure that you'll do so on our adaptive abilities to AGW, as well.

The situation is quite urgent, though, so make whatever haste you can. It concerns your children's future, and that of mine, as well.

360 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:01:27pm

Zip then fasten or fasten then zip?

361 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:02:13pm

re: #354 Bagua

BP gulf oil spill update:

The top kill attempt on the MC252 could occur as early as Tuesday, not Sunday as we we had hoped.

The plan is to pump mud into the well via choke and kill lines. If it works, cement will be pumped in to seal the well and end the leak.

This has never been attempted at such depth.

And when that fails utterly?

362 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:02:27pm

re: #350 Reginald Perrin

Ludwig:

I challenged the climate denier Larry Reisinger (snork) to debate global warming but he refused to accept my offer. Apparently he is much more comfortable posting his deniers bull shit at the stalker blog where nobody will question his pseudo-science.

He [posts my shit all the time, except when I completely dbunk him. Then the stalker blog whines that I link too may science papers because somehow presenting the data and the analysis is not fair.

They are utter pussies intellectually, stupid and weak to boot. I would love to see the courage of their convictions. I did after all completely destroy Larry's smart grid BS and I told them that if they posted it, I would go over there. Yet of course they chickened out.

Honestly you will not convince those sorts of anything. They are too stupid. These are people so stupid that they don't believe that evolution happened and that Obama was born in Kenya. What do you expect?

363 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:02:31pm

re: #359 Obdicut

thanks-

364 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:02:57pm

Here one can download the audio of today's briefing on the Deepwater Horizon Response by the coast guard, MMS and NOAA.

365 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:03:27pm

re: #355 LudwigVanQuixote

Take your concern and stuff it. You stated out claiming my predictions were not borne out by the science and called a skyhook alert and then when it was demonstrated that you did not read or understand what was presented to you and that there was yet more evidence to counter your false claims and understanding, you got all "concerned."

Bring science to a science debate or shut up. I really do not care to pump up your ego when you wrongly shoot your mouth off.

you have the manners of a pig, and the brain of a turnip....otherwise you might catch on to what people have been telling you for a year...you have nothing left in the tank beyond your bootlicking fans....many of us have heard enough of your boorish rants....you have not said anything new in months, yet your demeanor still sinks into an egotistical fit of rude name calling and whining

366 allegro  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:03:29pm

I got this in an email today from the Texas Freedom Network...

Even before the Texas State Board of Education took up its expected debate today over what students will learn about separation about church and state in their social studies classrooms, board member Cynthia Dunbar, R-Richmond, made her position clear. She offered the board’s opening prayer this morning and removed any doubt about what she and other far-right board members want students to learn: America’s laws and government should be based on the Christian Bible.

Laying out in blunt language the “Christian nation” vision of American history that the board’s powerful bloc of social conservatives espouses, Dunbar threw down the gauntlet:

“I believe no one can read the history of our country without realizing that the Good Book and the spirit of the savior have from the beginning been our guiding geniuses.”

“Whether we look to the first charter of Virginia, or the charter of New England…the same objective is present — a Christian land governed by Christian principles.”

“I like to believe we are living today in the spirit of the Christian religion. I like also to believe that as long as we do so, no great harm can come to our country.”

You will recall that Dunbar, in her 2008 book, One Nation Under God, argued that the Founders created “an emphatically Christian government” (page 18 of her book) and that government should be guided by a “biblical litmus test” (page 47). Even more damning, this State Board of Education member wrote that public education is a “subtly deceptive tool of perversion,” tyrannical and unconstitutional.

And today she will help decide what the next generation of Texas students will learn about separation of church and state in their public school classrooms.

You can follow the conclusion to this embarrassing saga on our liveblog at TFNInsider.org. And look for an e-mail later today with the final decision of the board -- and what we can do now to restore sanity and respectability to Texas education.

367 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:04:27pm

re: #361 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And when that fails utterly?

Then the next chance will be about two months off when the relief wells attempt to intersect the MC252 well just above the reservoir.

368 avanti  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:05:09pm

Kagan's treatment of veterans.

"During nine years of service in the Marine Corps, I have received a fair number of thanks from friends and strangers alike. I received perhaps the most thoughtful thanks of all just before graduating from Harvard Law School: The supposedly "anti-military" Elena Kagan sent me a handwritten note thanking me for my military service and wishing me luck in my new life as a judge advocate.

If Elena Kagan is "anti-military," she certainly didn't show it. She treated the veterans at Harvard like VIPs, and she was a fervent advocate of our veterans association. She was decidedly against "don't ask, don't tell," but that never affected her treatment of those who had served. I am confident she is looking forward to the upcoming confirmation hearings as an opportunity to engage in some intellectual sparring with members of Congress over her Supreme Court nomination. I would respectfully warn them to do their homework, as she has a reputation for annihilating the unprepared. "

Kagan..

369 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:05:27pm

re: #367 Bagua

Then the next chance will be about two months off when the relief wells attempt to intersect the MC252 well just above the reservoir.

Bloody hell.

370 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:06:06pm

re: #365 albusteve

Stevo, are you trying to bait me yet again?

You see I give Ace shit because unlike you, Ace is intelligent and can be reasoned with if you bring enough facts to bludgeon him with. Do consider that I gave up on you. The reason I gave up on you is that you, like the fools at the stalker blog, are too stupid and full of your own shit to be taught anything. You would rather pick a fight.

So I will deny you even that.

Go fade to irrelevance in your mountain cabin.

I will not miss you.

371 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:06:36pm

re: #368 avanti

Sure seems like she has my kind of 1st amendment perspective...i think she's as good of a nominee as a Republican could expect of Obama. She should get approved pronto.

372 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:06:39pm

re: #367 Bagua

Then the next chance will be about two months off when the relief wells attempt to intersect the MC252 well just above the reservoir.

This is terrible news.

373 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:06:49pm

re: #369 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bloody hell.

Then we get to nuke it.

374 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:07:10pm

re: #368 avanti

And we could point out that in being fervently against don't ask, don't tell, Kagan was being very supportive of the gays in the military, who do exist-- and some even tell.

I would like to say-- though I'm not a military man myself-- that she is trying to strengthen the military by helping it get over something that is decreasing its effectiveness and distracting from its mission.

375 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:07:27pm

re: #373 celticdragon

Then we get to nuke it.

Varek...remember...you promised me gunnery sergeant...

376 allegro  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:07:27pm

re: #373 celticdragon

Dude, don't even joke about such a thing. Please.

377 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:08:20pm

re: #370 LudwigVanQuixote

Stevo, are you trying to bait me yet again?

You see I give Ace shit because unlike you, Ace is intelligent and can be reasoned with if you bring enough facts to bludgeon him with. Do consider that I gave up on you. The reason I gave up on you is that you, like the fools at the stalker blog, are too stupid and full of your own shit to be taught anything. You would rather pick a fight.

So I will deny you even that.

Go fade to irrelevance in your mountain cabin.

I will not miss you.

not that good....your attitude is pathetic, the result of your petty frustrations...you can do better, you didn't give up on me, you can't

378 Boogberg  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:09:36pm

Charles said:

"Only two other guests have ever bailed out of Meet The Press at the last minute: Louis Farrakhan and Saudi Prince Bandar."

Religious kook one and religious kook too. Both Muslims (different sects).

379 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:09:39pm

re: #376 allegro

Dude, don't even joke about such a thing. Please.

I believe the Russians actually did use tactical nukes on two or three occasions to shut down runaway deepsea wells.

380 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:09:56pm

re: #354 Bagua

BP gulf oil spill update:

The top kill attempt on the MC252 could occur as early as Tuesday, not Sunday as we we had hoped.

The plan is to pump mud into the well via choke and kill lines. If it works, cement will be pumped in to seal the well and end the leak.

This has never been attempted at such depth.

What's the confidence level?

381 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:10:11pm

re: #375 Aceofwhat?

Varek...remember...you promised me gunnery sergeant...


Heh!

382 allegro  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:10:23pm

re: #379 celticdragon

I believe the Russians actually did use tactical nukes on two or three occasions to shut down runaway deepsea wells.

Seriously? Link?

383 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:12:05pm

re: #377 albusteve

not that good...your attitude is pathetic, the result of your petty frustrations...you can do better, you didn't give up on me, you can't

NO stevo, I ignore you for the most part, even with attempt after attempt on your part to pick a fight. You are truly one of the losses here that I have cut.

That's ok. We long ago established that I don't consider you particularly bright or moral.

That has not changed. I have no desire to be your friend. You are not the sort, I or my friends would associate with. I have also given up trying to educate you because you are frankly too dumb to be educated.

So you can bait all you like. It changes nothing, and I think this should be the last I respond to anything you direct to me for sometime.

384 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:12:44pm

re: #379 celticdragon

I believe the Russians actually did use tactical nukes on two or three occasions to shut down runaway deepsea wells.

Woah are you sure?

385 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:12:55pm

re: #381 celticdragon

Heh!

Seriously! I'm in charge all day at work. If we're going interstellar, i just want to supervise the overpowered guns...i'm not bored by overwhelming firepower; it makes me giggle.

Isn't that what we want in a gunnery sergeant - someone who giggles insanely while vaporizing the already-molten bits of what was legitimately destroyed about ten shots ago?

i think it's a redeeming quality, myself...

386 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:13:09pm

re: #382 allegro

Seriously? Link?

Here ya go.

i have read similar suggestions from a retired naval officer who also cited the Russian usage.

387 Reginald Perrin  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:13:22pm

re: #362 LudwigVanQuixote

Honestly you will not convince those sorts of anything. They are too stupid. These are people so stupid that they don't believe that evolution happened and that Obama was born in Kenya. What do you expect?

Honestly, I didn't think he would have accepted my challenge. After reading his post at PJM, it's obvious that Larry Reisinger is long on opinion and very short on facts.
All one has to do is read one of the warming denier posts at the stalker blog to see what an empty hat he is, Reisinger never has any real science to back up his lunacy.

388 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:14:50pm

re: #379 celticdragon

I believe the Russians actually did use tactical nukes on two or three occasions to shut down runaway deepsea wells.

They did in that made-for-tv movie "10.5". If I'm not misrememberating.

389 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:14:54pm

Current weather is ideal, and 50-60% of the oil that hits the surface is being recovered by skimmers, burning is working well as well and the dispersants are resulting in not much oil reaching the surface. (From the Admirals press briefing)

This is wonderful, but these numbers will decline dramatically if the favourable weather changes. Also, it is really a complete unknown what effect the massive plumes of sub-sea oil caused by the dispersants will have on the ecology. First measurements are very favourable, with dissolved oxygen levels within range. But this could change as new data is collected.

390 Varek Raith  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:15:03pm

BBL.
Housework won't do itself...
Stupid droids went and unionized on me....
So, I blasted em with an ion cannon!
Sigh.
:)

391 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:15:43pm

As British Petroleum scrambles to affix a four-story, 70-ton dome over the massive oil geyser venting toxic sludge into the Gulf of Mexico, people everywhere are wondering what else can be done to stem the deadly tide.

Komsomoloskaya Pravda, Russia's best-selling daily publication, has an idea: Why not just nuke it?

During the Soviet years, Russia's communists had to deal with numerous oil disasters and on five different occasions they employed controlled, underground nuclear blasts to quickly solve the problem.

[The] underground explosion moves the rock, presses on it, and, in essence, squeezes the well’s channel," Pracda reported.

"It’s so simple, in fact, that the Soviet Union, a major oil exporter, used this method five times to deal with petrocalamities," added Moscow reporter Julia Ioffe, writing for True/Slant. "The first happened in Uzbekistan, on September 30, 1966 with a blast 1.5 times the strength of the Hiroshima bomb and at a depth of 1.5 kilometers. KP also notes that subterranean nuclear blasts were used as much as 169 times in the Soviet Union to accomplish fairly mundane tasks like creating underground storage spaces for gas or building canals."
[Link: rawstory.com...]

392 allegro  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:15:54pm

re: #386 celticdragon

Thanks. Article didn't have particularly high praise for the approach... thankfully. It has occurred to me to wonder about using explosives of some sort to seal the opening but nukes? Um, no.

393 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:15:58pm

re: #390 Varek Raith

BBL.
Housework won't do itself...
Stupid droids went and unionized on me...
So, I blasted em with an ion cannon!
Sigh.
:)

Did you try offering them a doughnut first?

Carrot/stick, stick/carrot...

394 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:16:46pm

AllahPundit declares Rand Paul a dud but his readers don't buy it.

395 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:17:06pm

re: #390 Varek Raith

BBL.
Housework won't do itself...
Stupid droids went and unionized on me...
So, I blasted em with an ion cannon!
Sigh.
:)

Never trust a non-sanctified machine spirit.
Have you considered servitors?

396 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:17:46pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

AllahPundit declares Rand Paul a dud but his readers don't buy it.

HOW DARE HE OFFER HIS OPINION ON HIS OWN BLOG!
/

397 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:18:46pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

AllahPundit declares Rand Paul a dud but his readers don't buy it.

He better watch out. It's real easy to get shoved into the RINO bin these days...

398 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:19:10pm

re: #390 Varek Raith

Ah, the mower's broke down and the yard's run away with me
I've taken to sittin' and just watchin' it grow
And the rabbits are eatin' like kings in the driveway
And I've just about found me no place to go
You've got to live and let live

Come sit by my side in the shade of all greens
It smells like the honeysuckle have gone to extremes
And I've found a reason and you've made it rhyme
And we can go crazy, tomorrow's just fine

-- Guy Clark, "Shade of All Greens"

399 allegro  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:19:13pm

I've gotta admit that I'm sincerely amused at this point and finding some serious schadenfreude in this Paul thingie.

400 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:19:18pm

re: #341 LudwigVanQuixote

That is an excellent point. The PNAS listed of course says that they can not predict some wonder mutation plant that has yet to be bred. However, it is foolish to assume that one will arise and then bank on it. With current crops and current patterns, massive famines in America are coming. That is a fact.

ok you're right. We're all gonna die. Everybody is fucked. Happy now?

401 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:19:24pm

re: #396 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

HOW DARE HE OFFER HIS OPINION ON HIS OWN BLOG!
/

He mentions that Powerline has soured on Rand too. It's going to take a while for the average wingnut to catch up with reality but there are signs that it's beginning to sink in.

402 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:19:33pm

re: #383 LudwigVanQuixote

NO stevo, I ignore you for the most part, even with attempt after attempt on your part to pick a fight. You are truly one of the losses here that I have cut.

That's ok. We long ago established that I don't consider you particularly bright or moral.

That has not changed. I have no desire to be your friend. You are not the sort, I or my friends would associate with. I have also given up trying to educate you because you are frankly too dumb to be educated.

So you can bait all you like. It changes nothing, and I think this should be the last I respond to anything you direct to me for sometime.

see what I mean?

403 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:19:35pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

AllahPundit declares Rand Paul a dud but his readers don't buy it.

well...when you cultivate dung beetles, they get unhappy if you stop shoveling the poo...

404 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:19:39pm

re: #380 cliffster

What's the confidence level?

I haven't come across that. I expect to talk to some top industry people this weekend and will update what I learned. I do know that the Top Kill method has been done at less depth. What we are dealing with here is under a mile of seawater.

405 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:19:45pm

re: #387 Reginald Perrin

Honestly, I didn't think he would have accepted my challenge. After reading his post at PJM, it's obvious that Larry Reisinger is long on opinion and very short on facts.
All one has to do is read one of the warming denier posts at the stalker blog to see what an empty hat he is, Reisinger never has any real science to back up his lunacy.

Well that is because he never was a scientist. When he was here, he made a false claim about entropy once. He got something wrong that a first year physics or chemistry student would know like their own name. When I challenged him on it, surprise, surprise he could not even define entropy or the canonical ensemble. In fact he mocked the phrase cannonical ensemble.

Now, I don't expect non-scientists like LArry to know Stat Mech. But I do expect people who claim to be scientists or have valid opinions about the science to know the basics. He is rather like one who claims to be a rabbi while insisting on his non-existent authority that pork is kosher.

He also didn't know basic calculus questions when challenged. Again, it's ok to not know calculus, it doesn't make you a bad person, but it does disqualify you from opining about a calculation in a scientific paper.

No, what he is, is a failed engineer. He used to work as one. No doubt his stupidity got him fired - after all his bio does not claim he does engineering for anyone anymore, and he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground scientifically.

He's a loser and an idiot to boot.

406 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:20:09pm

re: #400 Alouette

ok you're right. We're all gonna die. Everybody is fucked. Happy now?

When in doubt, just pray your side can kick the other side's ass.

407 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:20:11pm

re: #399 allegro

I've gotta admit that I'm sincerely amused at this point and finding some serious schadenfreude in this Paul thingie.

Me too. I caught a lot of shit for warning about this last year.

408 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:20:19pm

re: #389 Bagua

Current weather is ideal, and 50-60% of the oil that hits the surface is being recovered by skimmers, burning is working well as well and the dispersants are resulting in not much oil reaching the surface. (From the Admirals press briefing)

This is wonderful, but these numbers will decline dramatically if the favourable weather changes. Also, it is really a complete unknown what effect the massive plumes of sub-sea oil caused by the dispersants will have on the ecology. First measurements are very favourable, with dissolved oxygen levels within range. But this could change as new data is collected.

I want to compliment you on a good post.

409 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:21:25pm

David Gregory is a shit interviewer. He's better at kissing ass than asking tough questions...though with a week of good examples (see Maddow, Rachel) that show him it's possible to ask an intelligent question and still keep one's show, he might be tempted to actually act like a journalist.

The fact that Rand Paul backed out on him means he'll look even more foolish when he shows up on Glenn Beck on Monday (not that he's currently scheduled).

410 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:21:41pm

re: #387 Reginald Perrin

Honestly, I didn't think he would have accepted my challenge. After reading his post at PJM, it's obvious that Larry Reisinger is long on opinion and very short on facts.
All one has to do is read one of the warming denier posts at the stalker blog to see what an empty hat he is, Reisinger never has any real science to back up his lunacy.

Agreed. Ludwig always provides links that lead to the science behind his assertions, snork does not. That alone speaks volumes as to which of them is credible.

411 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:21:47pm

Well, they did it. It's official.

The AP reports on the 9-5 vote by the Republican-dominated board:

The partisan board has amended or watered down the teaching of the civil rights movement, slavery, America's relationship with the U.N. and hundreds of other items. ... They dictate how political events and figures will be taught to some 4.8 million schoolchildren in Texas and beyond for the next decade.

That is from the AP. via TPM

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

I bow my head down now.

412 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:22:07pm

re: #400 Alouette

ok you're right. We're all gonna die. Everybody is fucked. Happy now?

No, if we take proper action now, we can avert it. Happy, for me, is was and always will be for me people saying:

1. I get that this is far worse than I can comfortably look at.

2. We can stop it.

3. I am doing "x" to help stop it.

413 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:22:25pm

re: #400 Alouette

ok you're right. We're all gonna die. Everybody is fucked. Happy now?

I said this yesterday...no talk of dying until Monday, as I've got a trip to Reno/Sparks tomorrow to go see Cabaret...I loves me a good musical.

414 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:22:26pm

re: #395 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Never trust a non-sanctified machine spirit.
Have you considered servitors?


But you need a Tech Priest to go with a servitor parish, and then they want to sanctify everything with oily unguents..you slip on the floor and then there is all that chanting and lighting candles with creepy little skulls flying around.

It's such a hassle!

415 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:23:09pm

re: #379 celticdragon

I believe the Russians actually did use tactical nukes on two or three occasions to shut down runaway deepsea wells.

The Russians have used controlled nuclear explosions to contain oil spills on at least five different occasions.

Russian Daily

416 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:24:27pm

re: #415 Bagua

The Russians have used controlled nuclear explosions to contain oil spills on at least five different occasions.

Russian Daily

It is an interesting idea. I wonder if Obama would do it, or if the geology here might make it feasible. I really have no idea about that.

417 allegro  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:24:43pm

re: #415 Bagua

Hey, I live on the Gulf near the spill site. NO FREAKING NUKES, 'K?!!

418 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:25:36pm

re: #417 allegro

Hey, I live on the Gulf near the spill site. NO FREAKING NUKES, 'K?!!


Bu think of the awesome surf you could shred on!

419 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:25:37pm

re: #401 Killgore Trout

He mentions that Powerline has soured on Rand too. It's going to take a while for the average wingnut to catch up with reality but there are signs that it's beginning to sink in.

The next question is: What does that do to conservatism? My hope would be that some-otherwise wingnuts find the courage to collectively do a William F. Buckley and read Ron & Rand Paul out of the conservative movement. Not sure how likely that is, but it would be helpful.

As for Rand's 'exhaustion', that's what celebrities use to hide the fact that they took drugs and had a bad trip. Find a better excuse, you far-right loon.

420 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:26:34pm

re: #412 LudwigVanQuixote

No, if we take proper action now, we can avert it. Happy, for me, is was and always will be for me people saying:

1. I get that this is far worse than I can comfortably look at.

2. We can stop it.

3. I am doing "x" to help stop it.

I use curly light bulbs and recycle, but you are wrong that GW can be stopped within several generations....it's not the how, it's the why not?

421 researchok  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:26:35pm

From Another side of global agriculture:

Poverty -- caused by the low income productivity of farmers' labor -- is the primary source of hunger in Africa, and the problem is only getting worse. The number of "food insecure" people in Africa (those consuming less than 2,100 calories a day) will increase 30 percent over the next decade without significant reforms, to 645 million, the U.S. Agriculture Department projects.

What's so tragic about this is that we know from experience how to fix the problem. Wherever the rural poor have gained access to improved roads, modern seeds, less expensive fertilizer, electrical power, and better schools and clinics, their productivity and their income have increased. But recent efforts to deliver such essentials have been undercut by deeply misguided (if sometimes well-meaning) advocacy against agricultural modernization and foreign aid.

In Europe and the United States, a new line of thinking has emerged in elite circles that opposes bringing improved seeds and fertilizers to traditional farmers and opposes linking those farmers more closely to international markets. Influential food writers, advocates, and celebrity restaurant owners are repeating the mantra that "sustainable food" in the future must be organic, local, and slow. But guess what: Rural Africa already has such a system, and it doesn't work. Few smallholder farmers in Africa use any synthetic chemicals, so their food is de facto organic. High transportation costs force them to purchase and sell almost all of their food locally. And food preparation is painfully slow. The result is nothing to celebrate: average income levels of only $1 a day and a one-in-three chance of being malnourished.



Lots more here
.

422 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:26:41pm

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Ludwig always provides links that lead to the science behind his assertions, snork does not. That alone speaks volumes as to which of them is credible.

And don't forget that I take the time to explain the science involved and that my links are from real science sources and not some kook blog.

423 allegro  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:26:58pm

re: #418 celticdragon

Bu think of the awesome surf you could shred on!

*SMACK*

424 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:27:02pm

re: #418 celticdragon

Bu think of the awesome surf you could shred on!

GERONIMO!

425 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:27:05pm

re: #412 LudwigVanQuixote

No, if we take proper action now, we can avert it. Happy, for me, is was and always will be for me people saying:

1. I get that this is far worse than I can comfortably look at.

2. We can stop it.

3. I am doing "x" to help stop it.

Reality:

1. Nine out of of ten people will never look at or admit to things that make them deathly afraid.

2. Therefore we can't stop it unless the 1/10th remaining forces the other 9/10ths into compliance, or kills them.

3. Nothing short of eco-fascist dictatorship will help anything.

426 cliffster  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:27:06pm

re: #417 allegro

Hey, I live on the Gulf near the spill site. NO FREAKING NUKES, 'K?!!

What?!? 6-eyed fish, man. nom-nom-nom-nom-nom-nom

I'm still trying to figure out how much of this shit is going to drift backwards to Texas. Sorry it's in your backyard.

427 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:27:17pm

re: #414 celticdragon

But you need a Tech Priest to go with a servitor parish, and then they want to sanctify everything with oily unguents..you slip on the floor and then there is all that chanting and lighting candles with creepy little skulls flying around.

It's such a hassle!

No no, you don't need the full lobotomy jobs. Just go with the mind-wipes, basic rebuilds, but who can still wipe their own asses. Wait until a Regimental Founding day and those found unfit for duty get processed. The Enginseers will have an overstock on hand and you can get a few dirt cheap.

428 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:27:27pm

re: #419 Dark_Falcon

The next question is: What does that do to conservatism? My hope would be that some-otherwise wingnuts find the courage to collectively do a William F. Buckley and read Ron & Rand Paul out of the conservative movement. Not sure how likely that is, but it would be helpful.

As for Rand's 'exhaustion', that's what celebrities use to hide the fact that they took drugs and had a bad trip. Find a better excuse, you far-right loon.


It will be years before we see anybody in the GOP stand up to the tea party.

429 wrenchwench  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:27:37pm

Weigel keeps digging: Defending Rand Paul, Part II

[...]

This is complicated stuff, but the Pauls are used to it. I first grappled with it in a 2008 story about racist passages in Ron Paul's newsletters, written between his departure from Congress and his 1996 return to it -- a story Joe Conason kindly links to in order to make a point about the Paul family's embrace of Pat Buchanan-style populism. (A number of people whine whenever I mention this story, and they should probably grow up already.)

But there's no comparison between the 2008 newsletter story and this story. That was about explicitly racist populism. This is about the libertarian dream of a colorblind society, faithful to the Constitution, with as little regulation of business as possible. I'm sticking up for Rand Paul here for a couple of reasons.

-- He believes this because he despises racism and believes almost all Americans agree with him.

-- This debate is more interesting and honest than the usual slippery debate we have about race, law, and regulation.

[...]

If you want to know the libertarian position from a sympathetic POV, Weigel has it. If you want my opinion, Rand P. is a pathetic POS.

430 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:27:40pm

Good Evening Greenies, Meanies and Weenies.

431 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:28:03pm
432 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:28:16pm

re: #423 allegro

*SMACK*


You know I luv ya! ;)

433 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:28:23pm

re: #422 LudwigVanQuixote

And don't forget that I take the time to explain the science involved and that my links are from real science sources and not some kook blog.

it's your presentation where you utterly fail

434 Kragar  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:28:40pm

re: #425 Cato the Elder

Reality:

1. Nine out of of ten people will never look at or admit to things that make them deathly afraid.

2. Therefore we can't stop it unless the 1/10th remaining forces the other 9/10ths into compliance, or kills them.

3. Nothing short of eco-fascist dictatorship will help anything.

Which all comes back to hoping your side can kick the other side's ass.

435 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:28:53pm

re: #425 Cato the Elder

Reality:

1. Nine out of of ten people will never look at or admit to things that make them deathly afraid.

2. Therefore we can't stop it unless the 1/10th remaining forces the other 9/10ths into compliance, or kills them.

3. Nothing short of eco-fascist dictatorship will help anything.

Well that's better than a fascist state that decides who eats and who starves no?

436 KingKenrod  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:30:01pm

re: #419 Dark_Falcon

The next question is: What does that do to conservatism? My hope would be that some-otherwise wingnuts find the courage to collectively do a William F. Buckley and read Ron & Rand Paul out of the conservative movement. Not sure how likely that is, but it would be helpful.

As for Rand's 'exhaustion', that's what celebrities use to hide the fact that they took drugs and had a bad trip. Find a better excuse, you far-right loon.

Rand Paul might make that easier given the high-profile exposé of his idiocy.

But all I'm hearing from party leaders so far is blah blah blah.

For instance:

[Link: blogs.tampabay.com...]

437 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:30:18pm

re: #417 allegro

Hey, I live on the Gulf near the spill site. NO FREAKING NUKES, 'K?!!

The depths would prevent large amounts of fall-out. It wouldn't even be a big nuke.

438 allegro  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:31:13pm

re: #432 celticdragon

You know I luv ya! ;)

Mwah!

439 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:31:30pm

re: #430 Spare O'Lake

Good Evening Greenies, Meanies and Weenies.

Hello, Spare!

440 Gus  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:31:32pm

Anyone ever see this? It kind of dovetails with the Rand Paul, Libertarian, free market bull shit artists. It's from 2007:

Robert Bork Files Slip-and-Fall Lawsuit Against Yale Club

Robert Bork , the one-time U.S. Supreme Court nominee, has sued the Yale Club for negligence. He is seeking $1 million in damages for injuries he sustained from a fall at the club last year. Here’s a copy of the complaint

Bork was at the Yale Club last June to speak at an event sponsored by The New Criterion, a monthly review of the arts and intellectual life. According to the suit filed in federal court in Manhattan, the club failed to provide steps and a handrail to climb onto the dais. Bork fell backward as he was attempting to climb the dais, striking his leg on the stage and his head on a heat register, the suit says.

The 80-year-old Bork suffered a large hematoma, or swelling of blood, in his lower left leg as a result of the fall and the hematoma eventually burst, according to the lawsuit. The injury required surgery and months of physical therapy, according to the complaint. He claims to have suffered “excruciating pain” as a result of the injury and continues to walk with a limp, according to the complaint.

Seems like he was pretty banged up. However, you have to wonder how he would have ruled as a younger man. Or given that lawsuits such as this are typically frowned upon by the right wing. Well, of course they're frowned upon unless it's them that's been injured.

441 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:31:52pm

Apologies if everyone has already seen Jerry Seinfeld as a History Teacher. The young woman who teaches World History at my school has been having a rough couple of weeks, and showed this to the teacher's lounge as an approximation of what she has been up against.

442 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:32:06pm

re: #419 Dark_Falcon

The next question is: What does that do to conservatism? My hope would be that some-otherwise wingnuts find the courage to collectively do a William F. Buckley and read Ron & Rand Paul out of the conservative movement. Not sure how likely that is, but it would be helpful.

Hopefully but it's going to take a while.

443 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:32:34pm

re: #435 LudwigVanQuixote

Well that's better than a fascist state that decides who eats and who starves no?

I doubt there'll be much practical difference.

444 Killgore Trout  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:32:47pm

re: #429 wrenchwench

Weigel keeps digging: Defending Rand Paul, Part II

If you want to know the libertarian position from a sympathetic POV, Weigel has it. If you want my opinion, Rand P. is a pathetic POS.

Damn, What happened to him? He used to be reasonable.

445 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:33:16pm

re: #427 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No no, you don't need the full lobotomy jobs. Just go with the mind-wipes, basic rebuilds, but who can still wipe their own asses. Wait until a Regimental Founding day and those found unfit for duty get processed. The Enginseers will have an overstock on hand and you can get a few dirt cheap.


Can I get them with cool weapons upgrades like arco-flaggelants? I could use them to keep my indentured ab-human work force in line. They have been getting uppity and demanding pay, Emperor's sweet teeth! Hmm...

446 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:34:18pm

re: #408 LudwigVanQuixote

I want to compliment you on a good post.

Why thank you, I've been following this disaster closely.

As to the nuclear option. It too has never been attempted at such depth, has a 20% failure rate, and has been mostly used to put out large gas leaks. BP found oil.

We would need to acquire the specialised nukes from the Russians, and drill holes where they would be detonated. I don't know what diameter hole needs to be drilled or how long this would take to implement.

447 wrenchwench  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:34:51pm

re: #444 Killgore Trout

Damn, What happened to him? He used to be reasonable.

He used to be at Reason, but I never thought of him as "reasonable". I only started reading his stuff about a year ago, though.

448 allegro  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:35:33pm

re: #437 Dark_Falcon

The depths would prevent large amounts of fall-out. It wouldn't even be a big nuke.

Oh, I see. Just a little nuke a few miles away. Nothing to worry about then. No problem with all that natural gas bubbling up, then setting off a nuke without having a clue what will happen.

NOOOOOOOOO! I'm beggin' yas! Jesus H. Christ ridin' on a rocket, don't EVEN give BP any more great ideas, would ya?!

*curling up in my corner now to compose myself* :/

449 tradewind  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:35:41pm

re: #417 allegro
Nothing yet on the sugar sands of the FL panhandle, at least around Destin. Headed down there next week to my folks' place to rest, but I have a feeling I will be spending a lot of time in meetings. There's an active group ready to start remediation if the oil hits.
I talked to a friend in NoLa, and she said nothing there, but I saw that Grand Isle is in bad shape. So awful....there won't be any speedy cleanup there a' la Valdez.
You can power rinse rocky coastline, but marshy wetlands, not so much.

450 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:37:24pm

re: #449 tradewind

Nothing yet on the sugar sands of the FL panhandle, at least around Destin. Headed down there next week to my folks' place to rest, but I have a feeling I will be spending a lot of time in meetings. There's an active group ready to start remediation if the oil hits.
I talked to a friend in NoLa, and she said nothing there, but I saw that Grand Isle is in bad shape. So awful...there won't be any speedy cleanup there a' la Valdez.
You can power rinse rocky coastline, but marshy wetlands, not so much.

best beaches in America, the panhandle and it's associated keys...what a shame should the oil land there

451 darthstar  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:37:30pm

re: #440 Gus 802

He wants 1 million dollars...for a bruise?

452 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:37:37pm

re: #437 Dark_Falcon

The depths would prevent large amounts of fall-out. It wouldn't even be a big nuke.

It's about time we got some return on investment from our fucking nukes. If the Russian experience could be used in this case, I'm for it.

It's not like collecting pet fur and human hair is going to solve the problem, however feel-goody that might be.

453 tradewind  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:37:38pm

re: #440 Gus 802
The ' right wing ' has never frowned on litigating cases of foreseeable negligence, which this sounds very much like.
You're thinking of ambulance-chasing, John Edwards types who try to convince juries that mothers and fathers are guaranteed a perfect child and if that is not the outcome, somebody should pay.

454 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:38:36pm

re: #448 allegro

Oh, I see. Just a little nuke a few miles away. Nothing to worry about then. No problem with all that natural gas bubbling up, then setting off a nuke without having a clue what will happen.

NOOO! I'm beggin' yas! Jesus H. Christ ridin' on a rocket, don't EVEN give BP any more great ideas, would ya?!

*curling up in my corner now to compose myself* :/

I can think of a dozen teh awesome scifi channel movies we can get out of this! The radiation could do something to the sludge and we could have a sludge monster stomping Houston!

455 tradewind  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:39:02pm

re: #450 albusteve
We had a spill about fifteen years ago that resulted in tar balls on the beaches, but it was minor.... you just watched where you stepped for a month or so, and the effect on marine life was not so great.
It wasn't nearly this size or scope, though.

456 allegro  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:39:09pm

re: #449 tradewind

Nothing yet on the sugar sands of the FL panhandle, at least around Destin. Headed down there next week to my folks' place to rest, but I have a feeling I will be spending a lot of time in meetings. There's an active group ready to start remediation if the oil hits.
I talked to a friend in NoLa, and she said nothing there, but I saw that Grand Isle is in bad shape. So awful...there won't be any speedy cleanup there a' la Valdez.
You can power rinse rocky coastline, but marshy wetlands, not so much.

I have 3 rehab teams ready to go when needed. I'm scheduled to head to Breton on Monday.

457 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:39:19pm

re: #441 SanFranciscoZionist

Apologies if everyone has already seen Jerry Seinfeld as a History Teacher. The young woman who teaches World History at my school has been having a rough couple of weeks, and showed this to the teacher's lounge as an approximation of what she has been up against.

LOVE that bit...

458 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:40:14pm

re: #452 Cato the Elder

It's about time we got some return on investment from our fucking nukes. If the Russian experience could be used in this case, I'm for it.

It's not like collecting pet fur and human hair is going to solve the problem, however feel-goody that might be.

bomb the slick with straw....it sops up oil, that problem solved

459 allegro  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:40:19pm

re: #454 celticdragon

I can think of a dozen teh awesome scifi channel movies we can get out of this! The radiation could do something to the sludge and we could have a sludge monster stomping Houston!

I get it. You just LIKE to get smacked, don't ya? ;)

460 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:40:46pm

re: #448 allegro

Oh, I see. Just a little nuke a few miles away. Nothing to worry about then. No problem with all that natural gas bubbling up, then setting off a nuke without having a clue what will happen.

NOOO! I'm beggin' yas! Jesus H. Christ ridin' on a rocket, don't EVEN give BP any more great ideas, would ya?!

*curling up in my corner now to compose myself* :/

find a happy place...find a happy place...find a happy place...find a happy place...

461 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:41:07pm

re: #459 allegro

I get it. You just LIKE to get smacked, don't ya? ;)

But you have to tie me down first...

;)

462 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:41:12pm

re: #435 LudwigVanQuixote

Well that's better than a fascist state that decides who eats and who starves no?

Do you believe that an enlightened fascist state is a necessary part of the solution?

463 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:41:31pm

re: #437 Dark_Falcon

The depths would prevent large amounts of fall-out. It wouldn't even be a big nuke.

Specifically, the depth at which the small nuke would be detonated would be deep into the rock below the ocean floor. This would contain the radiation. But if such an attempt failed, it would no longer be possible to do any sort of Top Kill on the well.

What if it fractured the well at depth and removed the relief well option? Then the leak wouldn't end until the reservoir was depressurised. (I am just guessing here that this is a possibility.)

464 tradewind  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:41:34pm

re: #451 darthstar
Not so much. A ruptured hematoma in an eighty year old that required surgery to prevent him losing his leg.
He still requires a cane to walk.

465 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:42:05pm

re: #412 LudwigVanQuixote

No, if we take proper action now, we can avert it. Happy, for me, is was and always will be for me people saying:

1. I get that this is far worse than I can comfortably look at.

2. We can stop it.

3. I am doing "x" to help stop it.

Be happy, LVQ. All the feasible bulbs in my house are CFC, all my "ghost" electronics are zeroed by power strips, all my windows are argon-filled, since December I've nailed 3000 sq ft of energy star shingles to the roof, and I'm 1/3 the way through installing R40+ insulation in the attic. Our power is on a net with a nuke 30 miles away. (I do drive an inefficient truck, but its 37 yrs old, and thus has prevented the embedded carbon of producing about 6 replacements).

Cost savings and tax breaks have as much to do with this as listening to my tree-hugging kids.

466 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:43:51pm

re: #458 albusteve

bomb the slick with straw...it sops up oil, that problem solved

Most of the oil is not on the surface...straw is a bullshit feel-good biodegradable fantasy solution.

467 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:44:24pm

re: #425 Cato the Elder

Reality:

1. Nine out of of ten people will never look at or admit to things that make them deathly afraid.

2. Therefore we can't stop it unless the 1/10th remaining forces the other 9/10ths into compliance, or kills them.

3. Nothing short of eco-fascist dictatorship will help anything.

Are you deathly afraid?
I wonder whether more than a tiny percentage of the population is deathly afraid of climate change?

468 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:44:49pm

re: #465 Decatur Deb

Be happy, LVQ. All the feasible bulbs in my house are CFC, all my "ghost" electronics are zeroed by power strips, all my windows are argon-filled, since December I've nailed 3000 sq ft of energy star shingles to the roof, and I'm 1/3 the way through installing R40+ insulation in the attic. Our power is on a net with a nuke 30 miles away. (I do drive an inefficient truck, but its 37 yrs old, and thus has prevented the embedded carbon of producing about 6 replacements).

Cost savings and tax breaks have as much to do with this as listening to my tree-hugging kids.

you may have preserved 1/1000 acre of soy beans!....good for you!

469 tradewind  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:45:43pm

re: #456 allegro
Good luck to ya'll.
About fifteen years ago, when we could really not afford it, we lost some money on an investment that my uncle assured me could not lose... was connected to a Congressman ( shoulda been our first clue/) but it was a bio technology that soaked up oil spills using microbes. ' The Bugs', we called it. It was based in Houston. The stock went way up, and then, when it was too late to sell it, the whole firm went bellyup. It still seems like it was a viable option.... I wonder what ever happened to the scientists who were working on it?

470 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:45:46pm

re: #342 Shiplord Kirel

Ah--thanks. I remembered Floydada was involved somehow.

471 celticdragon  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:45:53pm

re: #463 Bagua

Specifically, the depth at which the small nuke would be detonated would be deep into the rock below the ocean floor. This would contain the radiation. But if such an attempt failed, it would no longer be possible to do any sort of Top Kill on the well.

What if it fractured the well at depth and removed the relief well option? Then the leak wouldn't end until the reservoir was depressurised. (I am just guessing here that this is a possibility.)


Indeed. The resevoir is something like two miles below the sea bed, but I simply don't know the deformation mechanics of sedimentary rock at that depth. I tend to think that the lithostatic pressure would prevent wholesale fracturing, but I would have to go look up a number of papers on that. I have had a class in structural geology, but absolutely no practical experience.

472 albusteve  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:46:47pm

re: #466 Cato the Elder

Most of the oil is not on the surface...straw is a bullshit feel-good biodegradable fantasy solution.

buzzkill

473 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:47:08pm

re: #361 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And when that fails utterly?

"We're considering dolphins, with mops. It won't work, but we think it would look just darling!"

(Unsure of source, husband quoted it last night. SNL?)

474 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:47:43pm

Should the Top Kill attempt fail, as it might, then there are other possibilities short of waiting for the relief wells. These include trying to cap or link directly to the riser, or just putting another stack of BOPs on top of the failed one.

This according to the MMS spokesman.

475 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:48:05pm

re: #468 albusteve

you may have preserved 1/1000 acre of soy beans!...good for you!

My non-organic but eco-friendly veggie garden is a good bit larger than that--learned drip irrigation in Israel and composting in KY.

476 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:51:01pm

re: #27 HoosierHoops

Nobody backs out of MTP..Nobody...
Man up Rand..You Bitch..
When I was a kid I remember the fury of the Vietnam war in the news..Even then..Nobody ditched MTP..You manned up Sunday morning..and stood your ground...
Man up Rand..You Bitch

Luap Dnar is afraid that he (and, by extension, Papa Luap Nor) will be exposed by MTP for what they really are...and they're scared shitless.

/good news whether Luap Dnar was on MTP or not, but I'd love to have seen him get verbally and intellectually disemboweled...

477 Cato the Elder  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:51:51pm

re: #467 Spare O'Lake

Are you deathly afraid?
I wonder whether more than a tiny percentage of the population is deathly afraid of climate change?

I'm not afraid at all, because I'll be long dead of my bad habits before LVQ's famine scenarios unfold.

But anyone who thinks that showing people pictures of starving Africans and saying "this is what you'll look like in a hundred years, except you'll be dead, but if you weren't dead you'd look like this, only white" will bring on an enlightened response has no clue about human nature.

Some will laugh and say "but I'll be dead". Others will worry for their great-grandchildren, but say "yeah, but I'll be dead". A few will write their congresscritters, a few more will turn defiantly denialist, and a few more will buy curly light bulbs.

Impact of the whole exercise? I won't say zip, because it might actually be negative.

478 tradewind  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:54:18pm

Maybe the light will shine on BP brightly enough to get them to stop their under-the-table dealings with Iran. That'd be the only upside to this mess.

479 Aceofwhat?  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:54:24pm

re: #477 Cato the Elder

exactly

480 allegro  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:54:27pm

re: #469 tradewind

I've been wondering about that, too. I know that microbes are actually on the market for munching garage floor oil and the like. All I could find from a quick search are these:

An Alaskan feast for oil-eating microbes.

Although treated beaches whitened more quickly than untreated ones, suggesting that microbial cleaning occurred faster there, researchers were unable to determine exactly how much oil had disappeared. Complicating the problem was the fact that all beaches experienced changes in oil composition, including natural weathering (loss of volatile constituents) and some microbial breakdown. Differences in the initial amount of oil present and the type of beach also made the standard technique of comparing weights of treated and untreated beach material all but useless here. Finally, researchers could not tell how well the bacteria had degraded the more complex and potentially toxic compounds within crude oil, such as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs)

Gulf Oil Spill is Testing Ground for Future Cleanup Tech

But other long-touted measures, such as oil-eating microbes, however, are not yet ready to fight large spills.

481 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:56:14pm

re: #477 Cato the Elder

I'm not afraid at all, because I'll be long dead of my bad habits before LVQ's famine scenarios unfold.

But anyone who thinks that showing people pictures of starving Africans and saying "this is what you'll look like in a hundred years, except you'll be dead, but if you weren't dead you'd look like this, only white" will bring on an enlightened response has no clue about human nature.

Some will laugh and say "but I'll be dead". Others will worry for their great-grandchildren, but say "yeah, but I'll be dead". A few will write their congresscritters, a few more will turn defiantly denialist, and a few more will buy curly light bulbs.

Impact of the whole exercise? I won't say zip, because it might actually be negative.

At some point, Cassandra just wanted to piss off Priam and his yahoos.

482 Ericus58  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:56:45pm

re: #411 Stanley Sea

Well, they did it. It's official.

That is from the AP. via TPM

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

I bow my head down now.

The only redeeming portion of that link was to showcase the level of stupid.

Oh, and the banner ad at the top that gave a shout-out to my Congress critter Riechert ;)

483 tradewind  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:56:52pm

re: #480 allegro
I get a little nauseous thinking about it. We had such high hopes.
Just another example of if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
I'll never forget it, because the company had a stockholders meeting to break the bad news the same day as the OK City bombing...

484 kirkspencer  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:57:42pm

re: #429 wrenchwench

From the Wiegel snippet:

This is about the libertarian dream of a colorblind society, faithful to the Constitution, with as little regulation of business as possible.

Actually, however, the essence of the libertarian dream is an altruistic anarchy. No rules, period, but all bad behavior will be magically stopped by the free market with consumers having perfect knowledge, perfect access to competition, and perfect power to object.

485 Bagua  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:59:10pm

re: #471 celticdragon

Indeed. The resevoir is something like two miles below the sea bed, but I simply don't know the deformation mechanics of sedimentary rock at that depth. I tend to think that the lithostatic pressure would prevent wholesale fracturing, but I would have to go look up a number of papers on that. I have had a class in structural geology, but absolutely no practical experience.

Actually, the reservoir is about 3 miles below the sea bed. The relief wells will try to intersect the MC252 at about 18,000 feet below the sea bed. The casing is 9 5/8" at that point, just above the resevoir, as opposed to 36" at the sea bed.

486 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 4:59:56pm

re: #482 Ericus58

I do hope this is it for at least my neck of the woods allowing these textbook standards to infect our students. Used to be nobody was really aware (besides teachers) of how influential Texas was on school cirriculum. Now there seems to be a lot more awareness.

"Oh wow! Those guys are bigoted and crazy! Maybe we should commission books they don't have any influence over!"

487 tradewind  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:00:37pm

re: #482 Ericus58
Too bad, because the guy responsible was booted from office just recently, but not before his changes were stamped. The revisions are outrageous, true.... but then again, so were the PC additions to textbooks in the 80's and 90's portraying Columbus, Washington, and other historical figures as more or less demonic.
I'm sure Hopefully , TX educators will tweak some of the more egregious ones.

488 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:01:00pm

re: #428 celticdragon

It will be years before we see anybody in the GOP stand up to the tea party.

Agreed

489 allegro  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:01:06pm

re: #483 tradewind

I hear ya. I remember having very high hopes from the biotechnology since I've worked numerous oil spills and know first hand the cost, but fortunately didn't invest in the company.

I really REALLY don't want to do this again. I retired from the university, but it seems I'm unable to retire from this.

490 allegro  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:03:56pm

re: #487 tradewind

I saw on the news the other night that Tx state congressman Sylvester Turner is proposing legislation to deny funding for these new books. Something that would delight me to see, though I doubt it would pass.

491 prairiefire  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:04:22pm

re: #489 allegro

Thanks for your efforts!

492 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:04:37pm

re: #486 WindUpBird

I do hope this is it for at least my neck of the woods allowing these textbook standards to infect our students. Used to be nobody was really aware (besides teachers) of how influential Texas was on school cirriculum. Now there seems to be a lot more awareness.

"Oh wow! Those guys are bigoted and crazy! Maybe we should commission books they don't have any influence over!"

Geography was included in their list of subjects for improvement. Are they going to make Texas the biggest state again?

493 kirkspencer  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:05:59pm

re: #492 Decatur Deb

Geography was included in their list of subjects for improvement. Are they going to make Texas the biggest state again?

Nah, they're just going to claim Hawaii isn't a US state.

/

494 b_sharp  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:07:29pm

re: #292 Obdicut

And it is still a very irrelevant point, Ace. Where will get the resources to claim that land while the old land withers? We don't have infinite resources now, and we'll have incredibly limited resources then.

Farming will tend to move north and away from the prairies as the temp increases. That will work for a few decades, but as the centre of food production in North America moves to the northern Canadian prairies the arable land will give way to Shield where growing grasses like wheat will deplete the soil rather quickly.

If farming technology keeps in step with food production drift, adding fertilizer to the soil will boost production on bad soils and dry farming techniques will help retain moisture.

Unfortunately, high tech farming has a limited life span if water becomes scarce, as it will when continental glaciers disappear. Even if the technology for collecting water from the air and irrigation improves considerably over the next 75 years, there is a limited supply of land and water. It would be very difficult to support 400,000,000 million people with predicted water scarcity and the growth of droughts.

I think you may be over blowing the rhetoric with your pictures, but I certainly understand your frustration and sense of urgency. Our ability to adapt, through technology, land use improvements, and expanded protein sources will have an significant impact on how well that size of population survives. On top of reducing CO2, we better start putting money into adaptive technologies now.

North America, especially northern US and Canada will do considerably better than most other countries and that understanding may be why some refuse to believe increased CO2 is a bad thing for humans.

495 prairiefire  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:08:14pm

re: #476 talon_262

Luap Dnar is afraid that he (and, by extension, Papa Luap Nor) will be exposed by MTP for what they really are...and they're scared shitless.

/good news whether Luap Dnar was on MTP or not, but I'd love to have seen him get verbally and intellectually disemboweled...

I'm afraid David Gregory does not have the fire power to do that.

496 allegro  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:08:54pm

re: #491 prairiefire

Thanks for your efforts!

Aw, thanks. A cold beer after a long day slickered head to foot on a death stinking, humid, hot beach scrubbing pelicans and chasing oil slippery and really FAST terns would be even better. ;)

497 Obdicut  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:10:42pm

re: #494 b_sharp

Those aren't my pictures. Ludwig's. I don't tend to use pictures.

I think you're conflating the two of us.

Other than that, good post.

498 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:12:11pm

re: #494 b_sharp

Farming will tend to move north and away from the prairies as the temp increases. That will work for a few decades, but as the centre of food production in North America moves to the northern Canadian prairies the arable land will give way to Shield where growing grasses like wheat will deplete the soil rather quickly.

If farming technology keeps in step with food production drift, adding fertilizer to the soil will boost production on bad soils and dry farming techniques will help retain moisture.

Unfortunately, high tech farming has a limited life span if water becomes scarce, as it will when continental glaciers disappear. Even if the technology for collecting water from the air and irrigation improves considerably over the next 75 years, there is a limited supply of land and water. It would be very difficult to support 400,000,000 million people with predicted water scarcity and the growth of droughts.

I think you may be over blowing the rhetoric with your pictures, but I certainly understand your frustration and sense of urgency. Our ability to adapt, through technology, land use improvements, and expanded protein sources will have an significant impact on how well that size of population survives. On top of reducing CO2, we better start putting money into adaptive technologies now.

North America, especially northern US and Canada will do considerably better than most other countries and that understanding may be why some refuse to believe increased CO2 is a bad thing for humans.

Agreed. We may not be able to stop AGW entirely, but we might be able to reduce its severity enough to make it survivable.

499 b_sharp  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:12:54pm

re: #299 LudwigVanQuixote

Ace, read the paper and don't be an idiot. The reason you failed is because you apparently can not do math and have no understanding of wich areas will be affected.

Lets look to this to help you out of that pickle shall we.

[Link: www.gfdl.noaa.gov...]

Read the graph and tell me where all that new food will come from. It is true that for a while Canada will florish. But as we approach a six degree world - which we are certainly marching towards, Canada suffers too.

Don't you dare take the tone that you know shit about this or have looked at the facts.

LVQ, it may be time to step back and start teaching rather than condemning the people here. The vast majority of us are on your side and are more than willing to spread the information we get from you and other sources, but calling those most likely to support the necessary steps and to broadcast that information, idiots, will not help.

Calling an idiot an idiot is frequently called for, even here, but people like Ace, who has shown the ability to have his mind changed, are the ones we need to teach.

500 Spare O'Lake  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:13:27pm

re: #496 allegro

Aw, thanks. A cold beer after a long day slickered head to foot on a death stinking, humid, hot beach scrubbing pelicans and chasing oil slippery and really FAST terns would be even better. ;)

One good tern deserves another.

501 b_sharp  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:15:12pm

re: #307 albusteve

boring...the aggressive outbursts are the best part, otherwise you are simply boring

That's it Steve, show me the way.

502 _RememberTonyC  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:16:33pm

he had a conflict ...... he had previously committed to do "Meet the Klan" at the same exact time ....

503 b_sharp  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:20:30pm

re: #361 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And when that fails utterly?

Fuck.

504 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:21:09pm

re: #499 b_sharp

LVQ, it may be time to step back and start teaching rather than condemning the people here. The vast majority of us are on your side and are more than willing to spread the information we get from you and other sources, but calling those most likely to support the necessary steps and to broadcast that information, idiots, will not help.

Calling an idiot an idiot is frequently called for, even here, but people like Ace, who has shown the ability to have his mind changed, are the ones we need to teach.

He's gone for Shabbos. He'll be back tomorrow night.

505 swamprat  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:23:58pm

Rand Paul's assertion that businesses should be able to violate a persons' rights certainly could have had some interesting outcomes:

"What happened to your brother-in-law?"

He was suspected of shoplifting in Macy's Dept Store, so the security guard and the cashier had a trial and shot him.

"Bummer. Pep Boys only takes a finger."

Under Ayn Randian Capitalistic Theology, the customer masses would end these atrocities by not frequenting businesses that utilize such security measures.
A harsh punishment indeed.

When someone is so far right that I am outraged, you know you are looking at some serious nuttery.

506 b_sharp  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:26:22pm

re: #497 Obdicut

Those aren't my pictures. Ludwig's. I don't tend to use pictures.

I think you're conflating the two of us.

Other than that, good post.

No conflation, just didn't notice the name of the author. I was responding to LVQ.

507 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:27:17pm

re: #63 Charles

Apparently, only two other guests have ever bailed out of MTP at the last minute: Louis Farrakhan and Saudi Prince Bandar.

Not exactly good company for ol' Rand to keep in this situation...the sly, the slick, and the wicked.

508 researchok  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:30:41pm

re: #498 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. We may not be able to stop AGW entirely, but we might be able to reduce its severity enough to make it survivable.

There is another option- expand the number of countries that are net exporters of food.

In the 60's and 70's great agricultural strides were made in Africa. That ground to a halt as geo-political influences rejected that kind of aid. The end result was that nations on their way to self sufficiency became even bigger importers of food aid (population growth).

Teach a man to fish and all that.

509 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:37:01pm

re: #73 Charles

Rand's reason: he's "exhausted."

Luap Dnar is not a very convincing liar..."exhausted" must be code to the Paulian faithful that Luap Dnar is afraid of getting his ass whupped on MTP.

510 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:39:29pm

re: #110 Charles

Luke Russert tweets:

Good point...

511 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:43:44pm

re: #509 talon_262

Luap Dnar is not a very convincing liar..."exhausted" must be code to the Paulian faithful that Luap Dnar is afraid of getting his ass whupped on MTP.

"Exhaustion" is a code for "the public figure doesn't want to explain what's really going on".

512 swamprat  Fri, May 21, 2010 5:53:02pm

re: #511 Dark_Falcon

"Exhaustion" is a code for "the public figure doesn't want to explain what's really going on".

Exhausted. Spent. Finished. Done. Ended. Dead. Expended. Stick a fork in it. Eliminated.

He done went and vetted himself. I ain't cleanin' it up, either.

513 prairiefire  Fri, May 21, 2010 6:16:54pm

re: #512 swamprat

Exhausted. Spent. Finished. Done. Ended. Dead. Expended. Stick a fork in it. Eliminated.

He done went and vetted himself. I ain't cleanin' it up, either.

Very good. Favorited.

514 lostlakehiker  Fri, May 21, 2010 7:06:36pm
Rand Paul’s reason for backing out: he’s “exhausted.”


Spinning is hard work.

515 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 21, 2010 8:31:11pm

UTTER "B.S."

RAND got caught out on Stu-Pid-Did answers regarding the 1964 Civil Rights Act. I understand that HE has issues with the Public Accommodations Parts,as DID Sen. Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley - "BACK IN THE DAY."
Sen. Goldwater and WFB "repented" from that position at the later edge of their lives. BOTH should be enough of an Example to Rand Paul. IF They are Not, I propose "The Prayer for the Czar"
"May G-d Bless and Keep Him - FAR AWAY FROM US!!

-S-


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