I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.
— Mitt Romney, 1994 version
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Kragar Tue, Nov 23, 2010 11:01:06pm |
I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.
and 25-ish years later when he can't get the nomination and have that opinion, not so much
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Kragar Tue, Nov 23, 2010 11:09:26pm |
Have we found the universe that existed before the Big Bang?
Penrose posits the end of each universe will involve a return to low entropy. This is because black holes suck in all the matter, energy, and information they encounter, which works to remove entropy from our universe. (Where that entropy might go is another question entirely.) The universe's continued expansion into eventual nothingness causes the black holes themselves to evaporate, which ultimately leaves the universe in a highly ordered state once again, ready to contract into another singularity and set off the next Big Bang.
As alternative theories go, it's not without its merits, but there's no evidence to support it...until now.
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yasharki Tue, Nov 23, 2010 11:16:38pm |
If they're so against abortion, why don't they pick up the tab for carrying, birthing, and growing a child which some mother wanted to abort? Shouldn't they be building clinics, nurseries, schools, and providing fired-4-maternity-leave moms with jobs instead of killing doctors? They're also supposed to be god fearing christians, where's the logic?!?
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 23, 2010 11:18:25pm |
wingnuts are so good at being gullible they'll swallow smiley with only a little fancy dancing
he's a malleable tool
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Kragar Tue, Nov 23, 2010 11:19:11pm |
re: #5 engineer dog
wingnuts are so good at being gullible they'll swallow smiley with only a little fancy dancing
he's a malleable tool
But...he's a mormon.
/
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SpaceJesus Tue, Nov 23, 2010 11:20:16pm |
I don't understand. Something intelligent came out of a Republican's mouth. That's like walking outside and seeing rabbits doing algebra or some shit.
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Kragar Tue, Nov 23, 2010 11:22:13pm |
re: #7 SpaceJesus
I don't understand. Something intelligent came out of a Republican's mouth. That's like walking outside and seeing rabbits doing algebra or some shit.
Don't worry, he has done a 180 on the issue.
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yasharki Tue, Nov 23, 2010 11:23:07pm |
re: #7 SpaceJesus
Rabbits can multiply faster than your 45nm ALU, now that's algebra.
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 23, 2010 11:26:25pm |
re: #7 SpaceJesus
I don't understand. Something intelligent came out of a Republican's mouth. That's like walking outside and seeing rabbits doing algebra or some shit.
he only said it becuz he stupidly believed it would help him politically
he stoopit
i can't wait to hear him 'splain why there's still 8% unemployment after he's been president for two years
yes i can
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SpaceJesus Tue, Nov 23, 2010 11:44:38pm |
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yasharki Tue, Nov 23, 2010 11:49:30pm |
I wonder, do they have body scanners vs pat-downs in Israel airports?
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 23, 2010 11:53:03pm |
i'm looking forward to national whack-out day at the airport tomorrow
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Kragar Tue, Nov 23, 2010 11:54:00pm |
re: #14 yasharki
I wonder, do they have body scanners vs pat-downs in Israel airports?
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 12:00:19am |
re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Weird, I'm sure I've read this article couple of years ago, yet yahoo passes it as 20101102. In any case my question isn't answered by it, instead it ventures into what author thinks is somehow a gray territory known as "profiling"...
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AK-47% Wed, Nov 24, 2010 12:30:20am |
Mitt could well be the GOP candidate to win the election against Obama in 2012. Problem is, he will never win the nomination...
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laZardo Wed, Nov 24, 2010 1:41:48am |
This is the single defining moment of motherfucking badassery in the entire Mexican Drug War.
Don Alejo welcomed them with bullets; the entire army of gunmen returned fire. Don Alejo seemed to multiply, he seemed to be everywhere. The minutes would have seemed endless to those who had seen him as easy prey. Various gunmen were killed on sight. The others, in rage and frustration, intensified the attack by swapping out their assault rifles for grenades.
When everything finally fell silent, the air was left heavy with gunpowder. The holes left in the walls and the windows attested to the violence of the attack. When they went in search of what they had assumed was a large contingent, they were surprised to find only one man, Don Alejo.
The surviving gunmen did not take over the ranch. Thinking the military would arrive at any moment, they decided to run. They left behind what they thought were six corpses, but two of their gunmen had survived.
Shortly after, the Marines arrived and methodically reconstructed the events. A lone rancher, a man who worked a lifetime to be able to enjoy the fruits of his labor such as his ranch, had defended it to his death.
77 years old and going down like (a non-criminal version of) Tony Montana. Manly tears shall be shed.
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AK-47% Wed, Nov 24, 2010 2:32:26am |
Don Alejo died for our sins. For our inability to curb or regulate demand for drugs, to curb or regulate the illegal weapons trade, and for our inablity to control and regulate border traffic and immigration.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 2:36:59am |
re: #21 ralphieboy
Speak for yourself. "Our sins" is a rather bold statement.
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AK-47% Wed, Nov 24, 2010 3:17:10am |
The USA's sins, then. We are as much a part of this monstrosity south of the border as any of the active perpetrators.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 3:23:30am |
re: #7 SpaceJesus
I don't understand. Something intelligent came out of a Republican's mouth. That's like walking outside and seeing rabbits doing algebra or some shit.
Everyone knows rabbits can multiply!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 3:24:02am |
re: #9 yasharki
ooppss ,,, didn't see this one before I posted #24
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freetoken Wed, Nov 24, 2010 3:39:46am |
re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Have we found the universe that existed before the Big Bang?
That story got some press when Penrose broke it - probably because Penrose is a big enough name in physics for people to notice.
I'm not really convinced, though I've not read their actual paper, only the reports.
Problem is, even if the phenomenon is real (that is, there really is a few concentric circles of non-randomness in the CMB) it does not mean their proposal is the correct one to describe it.
Penrose is one of the better known neo-Platonist sympathizers. His and his colleagues hypothesis if true would establish that the big bang exploded into something. That something would be a previously existing space, perhaps just a pure Euclidean 3 dimensional space. That would solve the problem why our three spatial dimensions do indeed appear to be a flat 3 dimensional space. The problem arises because if "space" only started with the big bang then why, out of all the possible geometries, would there be a flat 3-space?
Yet this is, of course, just kicking the can down the road...
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 3:44:44am |
Morning all!
Why do the people of Seattle forget how to drive on snow/ice from one season to the next?
Why can't we handle snow?
[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 3:48:29am |
re: #27 RogueOne
Morning all!
Why do the people
of SeattleEVERYWHERE forget how to drive on snow/ice from one season to the next?Why can't we handle snow?
[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]
ftfy ,,, I've lived and/or spent time in many locales over my lifetime. Come to Atlanta during a rainstorm! (something, btw, that happens just about every late afternoon in the spring/summer)
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 3:50:17am |
Supes override meal-toy veto
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
As expected, the Board of Supervisors bucked Mayor Gavin Newsom Tuesday, and overrode his veto of legislation to bar fast-food restaurants from giving away toys in kids' meals sold in San Francisco unless they have reduced calories, salt, fat and sugar and also include fruit and vegetables.The restrictions, vigorously opposed by McDonald's, the California Restaurant Association and other representatives of the fast-food industry, are set to take effect in December 2011.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 3:53:15am |
re: #29 sattv4u2
Indiana gets a couple good ice storms a year but after the first snowfall people remember wtf they're doing. When I was in college in Knoxville we got about 6" of snow one afternoon and people were driving like they had never seen it before. I was headed out somewhere, I got a few blocks up the street and turned around before one of those idiots could kill me.
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 3:53:51am |
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 3:55:24am |
re: #29 sattv4u2
ftfy ,,, I've lived and/or spent time in many locales over my lifetime. Come to Atlanta during a rainstorm! (something, btw, that happens just about every late afternoon in the spring/summer)
Monsoon season.
We have the same here in Raleigh.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 24, 2010 3:57:46am |
re: #32 RogueOne
I remember being in Detroit after a snow fall and thinking, "Don't these people live with this shit?" Saw a car do a complete 360 on the middle of a perfectly straight (Gratoit) avenue.
People lose their minds. Actually, fun to watch... while you are safe.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 3:58:30am |
re: #32 RogueOne
Indiana gets a couple good ice storms a year but after the first snowfall people remember wtf they're doing. When I was in college in Knoxville we got about 6" of snow one afternoon and people were driving like they had never seen it before. I was headed out somewhere, I got a few blocks up the street and turned around before one of those idiots could kill me.
1st winter we were in atlanta (12 years ago) we had an "ice storm" (freezing rain for a couple of hours) The roads were dry within 2 hours after it stopped with ice still on lawns, in trees and roofs.
Trees did lose branches which fell on power lines causing scattered outages. We were without power for 5 days
The city virtually shut down for a week
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 3:59:50am |
re: #37 sattv4u2
1st winter we were in atlanta (12 years ago) we had an "ice storm" (freezing rain for a couple of hours) The roads were dry within 2 hours after it stopped with ice still on lawns, in trees and roofs.
Trees did lose branches which fell on power lines causing scattered outages. We were without power for 5 daysThe city virtually shut down for a week
A few years ago, we had a massive ice storm.
Huge swaths of the city had no power for a week.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:07:33am |
Gonna be 65 freakin' degrees tomorrow. Up in the mountains of WV, no less.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:08:58am |
The sun is shining, the grass is green
The orange and palm trees sway
There's never been such a day
In Beverly Hills, L.A.But it's December the 24th
And I'm longing to be up North...
Irving Berlin was like Nostradamus about AGW...
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:09:50am |
re: #36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I remember being in Detroit after a snow fall and thinking, "Don't these people live with this shit?" Saw a car do a complete 360 on the middle of a perfectly straight (Gratoit) avenue.
People lose their minds. Actually, fun to watch... while you are safe.
He might have been dodging gunfire!
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:10:20am |
re: #39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Gonna be 65 freakin' degrees tomorrow. Up in the mountains of WV, no less.
60 plus here for tomorrow.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:12:08am |
re: #41 RogueOne
I spent the equivalent of 6 months in Detroit. I didn't see the bad. But, I don't go out in the bad areas at night either.
People who don't see it, do not know that during the day, the inner city is a whole bunch of folks just trying to get by.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:14:09am |
re: #43 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I was born there, have family there, and do quite a bit of work up there still. (I'll be spending a couple days up there next week.) There are parts of town you don't want to go through even in the daytime.
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Digital Display Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:14:24am |
re: #43 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I spent the equivalent of 6 months in Detroit. I didn't see the bad. But, I don't go out in the bad areas at night either.
People who don't see it, do not know that during the day, the inner city is a whole bunch of folks just trying to get by.
The best part of Detroit is that you are 18 minutes from the Border and Cuban Cigars..
/
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:15:06am |
re: #44 RogueOne
which reminds me, I haven't seen sixdegrees in awhile but I'm not on much in the evenings.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:16:09am |
Whoopi goldberg went on O'Reilly? Wow, and I missed it.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:16:19am |
re: #46 RogueOne
which reminds me, I haven't seen sixdegrees in awhile but I'm not on much in the evenings.
I am, and niether have I!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:17:22am |
re: #44 RogueOne
I guess. But, I just didn't see the areas you describe. And my job took me to check cashing stores and the like. Pretty rough areas.
Once I went into a rough area of Baltimore late at night. It was "otherworldly" compared to daytime.
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:20:24am |
re: #47 RogueOne
Whoopi goldberg went on O'Reilly? Wow, and I missed it.
It was a really good segment.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:21:05am |
My Pie Collective made and sold 40 pies in the last 2 days. Pumpkin, pecan, chocolate pecan, chocolate cream, apple, sweet potato, cherry and some weird vegan shit. All original recipes, all made from scratch.
The irony is after the sale finished yesterday afternoon, I got home to start making crust for our Thanksgiving, and my refrigerator compressor had given up the ghost. 3 months of summer blueberry hoarding dripping on the floor. Oh, the piemanity!1! Why are the pie gods angry with me? Haven't I sacrificed enough butter and whole wheat pastry flour on their shell alters the last 3 days?
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AK-47% Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:22:46am |
Christmas 1977: Chicago received 4" of frozen rain, topped by 4" of snow and a further 4" of frozen rain. A sh*t sandwich that shut the city down, followed by a blast of temps down to -27°F (-67°F with wind chill).
Spring of 1978 I moved to Arizona.
And in the spring of 1979 it rained on the snowpack, flooding Phoenix and cutting all but one bridge connection across the Salt River.
The city even reinstated rail service to get commuters acoss the river, but dropped it after the bridges were reparied...
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:24:05am |
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:24:06am |
re: #50 researchok
It was a really good segment.
unless it involved 10 paces and pistols I wouldn't have watched had I known./
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:24:45am |
re: #51 Jeff In Ohio
a single tear tracks along my cheek...
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:24:50am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:25:34am |
re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
a single tear tracks along my cheek...
I could hear your stomach grumble from here!
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:25:45am |
re: #52 ralphieboy
Christmas 1977: Chicago received 4" of frozen rain, topped by 4" of snow and a further 4" of frozen rain. A sh*t sandwich that shut the city down, followed by a blast of temps down to -27°F (-67°F with wind chill).
Spring of 1978 I moved to Arizona.
And in the spring of 1979 it rained on the snowpack, flooding Phoenix and cutting all but one bridge connection across the Salt River.
The city even reinstated rail service to get commuters acoss the river, but dropped it after the bridges were reparied...
You missed the blizzard of '78!
[Link: www.crh.noaa.gov...]
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:26:09am |
re: #54 RogueOne
unless it involved 10 paces and pistols I wouldn't have watched had I known./
Pistol rigged to explode ensuring the death of both participants.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:26:24am |
re: #51 Jeff In Ohio
Wish I could give you more than one ding.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:26:24am |
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:29:34am |
re: #61 sattv4u2
I missed it too. I lived in Cincy at the time but people talked about it every winter for years.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:30:21am |
Patriots play the Lions tomorrow
I'm more worried about this gajme than I was the last two weeks when the Pats played the Steelers then the Colts
After those two emotional/ physical games, I hope the Pats don't take the Lions too lightly
(we now return you to the weather portion of this newscast!)
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:32:26am |
re: #62 RogueOne
I missed it too. I lived in Cincy at the time but people talked about it every winter for years.
Was in Boston for it
Amazing!
[Link: www.mass.gov...]
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:33:07am |
re: #63 sattv4u2
I'm still in the dumps about the colts/pats game last week. I should feel ok about it since the colts were missing about 8 starters that they'll be getting back before the playoffs but it still hurts.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:34:52am |
re: #65 RogueOne
I'm still in the dumps about the colts/pats game last week. I should feel ok about it since the colts were missing about 8 starters that they'll be getting back before the playoffs but it still hurts.
Patriots played an entire year ('cept for 1 quarter) without Brady and still went 11-5 yet DIDN'T make the playoffs
Toughen up, Nancy!
//
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:35:45am |
re: #66 sattv4u2
Occurred to me recently that I really don't give Brady the respect he deserves. Hell of a quarterback.
Maybe it's the new haircut.
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Digital Display Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:35:47am |
re: #65 RogueOne
I'm still in the dumps about the colts/pats game last week. I should feel ok about it since the colts were missing about 8 starters that they'll be getting back before the playoffs but it still hurts.
It really sucked..I hope we play them in the play-offs and rip their hearts out..
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:36:20am |
re: #60 RogueOne
Thanks. People like pie and they general suck at it's making.
Luckily it'll be cool for the next few days and I can use coolers for refrigeration (my turkey is being killed today) and then there's black friday and the fridge I want is $500 off. Doesn't fit in the space, but nothing a radial saw and some horrified looks from my wife won't fix.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:37:09am |
re: #66 sattv4u2
The playoff rematch will feature the colts beating the hell out of the hated pats. Write it down!
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:37:52am |
re: #64 sattv4u2
Was in Boston for it
Amazing!
[Link: www.mass.gov...]
Upstate NY, not far from here:
Image: File:30_Jan_1977_Tonawanda,_NY_(Parker_Blvd_between_Brompton_Rd_and_Ellicott_Creek_Rd).jpg
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:38:07am |
re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Occurred to me recently that I really don't give Brady the respect he deserves. Hell of a quarterback.
Maybe it's the new haircut.
He has NEVER had "a" star running back and except for Moss for a few years never had a top rated reciever, yet he's brought the team to 4 Super Bowls winning three of them
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:40:35am |
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:40:38am |
re: #69 Jeff In Ohio
Thanks. People like pie and they general suck at it's making.
Luckily it'll be cool for the next few days and I can use coolers for refrigeration (my turkey is being killed today) and then there's black friday and the fridge I want is $500 off. Doesn't fit in the space, but nothing a radial saw and some horrified looks from my wife won't fix.
I've been checking out the black friday ads myself. I've been thinking about getting a nice freezer for the garage but after march it will be back to just me and my wife and I don't know if I'll need that much food laying around so I'm paying more attention to the 50" LED tv's. I don't know if the spouse will let me buy one but I'm dropping hints almost daily.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:42:27am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:43:28am |
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:43:47am |
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:44:56am |
re: #75 Jeff In Ohio
Droid APP:
[Link: www.droidapps.org...]
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Digital Display Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:47:17am |
re: #76 sattv4u2
re: #68 HoosierHoops
re: #73 sattv4u2
And don't forget,, the playoff game will most likely be played in New Engalnd ,, IN January
NOT in Mannings comfy climate controlled/ no wind dome!
Doesn't matter..Indy has suffered too many injuries..It's obvious if we had all our starters we would have destroyed the Pats...It's not our year..
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FriarsTale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:51:49am |
hey, friends
did you all see this?
Siberian Methane to Dwarf CO2 as Global Warming Threat
seems that more Methane may further accelerate (non-A) Global Warming
Gas locked inside Siberia's frozen soil and under its lakes has been seeping out since the end of the last ice age 10,000 years ago
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:53:58am |
re: #80 FriarsTale
Gas locked inside Siberia's frozen soil and under its lakes has been seeping out since the end of the last ice age 10,000 years ago
So doesn't it make sense that it will "seep" out FASTER if the soil defrosts due to ,, welll,, SUMFIN !!!!
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FriarsTale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 4:56:15am |
re: #81 sattv4u2
sure, I'll buy that
what happened to end the last ice age 10,000 yrs ago?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 5:02:30am |
re: #82 FriarsTale
sure, I'll buy that
what happened to end the last ice age 10,000 yrs ago?
[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 5:04:14am |
re: #80 FriarsTale
The reason it's seeping out is because the permafrost is melting-- because of AGW.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 5:05:19am |
re: #84 Obdicut
The reason it's seeping out is because the permafrost is melting-- because of AGW.
Hence, #81
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AK-47% Wed, Nov 24, 2010 5:06:35am |
Then we build a dome over Siberia and pipeline the gas directly to Alaska...
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freetoken Wed, Nov 24, 2010 5:07:32am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 5:08:18am |
re: #86 ralphieboy
Then we build a dome over Siberia and pipeline the gas directly to Alaska...
They won't build a dome unless they know they'll get a Major League franchise to play there!!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 5:11:42am |
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AK-47% Wed, Nov 24, 2010 5:23:35am |
Build it big enough to be seen from Wasilla and call it The Palindrome
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 5:50:57am |
Object lesson in why people should withhold judgement on any "terror" probe involving the use of government informants:
The Pathetic Newburgh Four
Should the FBI really be baiting sad-sack homegrown terrorists?
[Link: www.slate.com...]
These prosecutions fail the smell test, and lately the odor has washed over my own Bronx neighborhood of Riverdale. Last month, if you missed the news, four African-American ex-cons from Newburgh, N.Y., were convicted of plotting to bomb two synagogues here, one of them half a block from my house. The government released a photo of some of the men casing the joint that our local paper ran the day they were convicted.One of the men in the photo is an FBI informant, Shahed Hussain. The case seems like a slam-dunk—until you learn more about him. Hussain, driving a flashy Mercedes and using the alias Maqsood, began to frequent the Masjid al-Ikhlas in down-at-the-heels Newburgh in 2008. Mosque leaders say he would meet congregants in the parking lot afterward, offering gifts and telling them they could make a lot of money—$25,000—if they helped him pursue jihad. The assistant imam said the suspicion Hussain was an informant was so great "it was almost like he had a neon sign on him." A congregant told a reporter that, in retrospect, everyone wished they'd called him out or turned him in. "Maybe the mistake we made was that we didn't report him," the man said. "But how are we going to report the government agent to the government?"
Hussain bought meals for the group of four men he assembled because none of them had jobs or money. The owner of a Newburgh restaurant where they occasionally ate considered him "the boss," because he would pick up the tab. Among his other inducements were the offer of $250,000 and a BMW to the most volubly anti-Semitic plotter, the man the government says was the ringleader, James Cromitie.
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RogueOne Wed, Nov 24, 2010 5:53:58am |
Easy, laid back day today. I'm off to do some billing and then shopping. Everyone enjoy their holiday.
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 5:55:15am |
re: #84 Obdicut
The reason it's seeping out is because the permafrost is melting-- because of AGW.
And I say you're wrong.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 5:59:19am |
re: #95 friarstale
I know. Can you explain why you reject the scientific consensus on the subject?
Have you read this site yet?
[Link: www.skepticalscience.com...]
It deals with most of the "AGW isn't really happening" tropes in language suitable for the layman.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:01:30am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:01:45am |
re: #95 friarstale
I would rather have you stick to the science for a minute. Let's review:
You were snarking about the lake effect. So lets get the science clear before you move on to other talking points.
As bodies of water get warmer and the atmosphere gets warmer, there is more vapor pressure and the atmosphere can retain more water vapor.
For the water vapor to form droplets, it has to cool to do so. The atmosphere is cooler the farther up it goes - but since the atmosphere is warmer, the water vapor has to go up higher to cool that way. When a cold front does come in, it will rapidly cool a great deal more water vapor in the atmosphere. This means more intense snow storms and rainstorms are possible.
We still do have winter, because of the way the earth orbits (and something to do with the angle of our spin axis being not exactly perpendicular to the plane of the orbit, but I won't confuse you with a discussion of flux).
As to the links,
Those links that I tend to post are from scientific journals, peer reviewed research and the sites of scientific organizations like NASA, NOAA, Princeton University, MIT etc...
Those are for grown ups.
For you, it is more important that you learn something basic, like where rain comes from. You should have learned this in grade school. Since you didn't, now is a perfect time.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:04:17am |
re: #96 Obdicut
When confronted with simple scientific facts they always move on and pretend the first thrashing didn't happen. Though to be honest with you, that troll post wasn't even Snork level dumb. It was GaryCooper (another banned retard) dumb.
Not only will they pointedly not read any links you provide, they will get angry that you provide them. Of course if you don't provide links they will claim you have nothing to back yourself up with.
It's all standard BS from the village of the banned. Why Charles allows this sock to continue is unclear. It is possible that he considers it important to have the deniers present as an example to other readers of just how truly stupid these people are.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:05:18am |
re: #99 LudwigVanQuixote
It's not like anyone's going to be convinced or impressed by his brilliant argument of "I don't believe in science".
Who isn't already convinced by that argument, that is.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:07:53am |
re: #100 Obdicut
It's not like anyone's going to be convinced or impressed by his brilliant argument of "I don't believe in science".
Who isn't already convinced by that argument, that is.
Ohh he's been spamming AGW mini pages.
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avanti Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:08:28am |
re: #14 yasharki
They do interviews with passengers, because they have a lot fewer flights. If we spent 10-15 minutes chatting with each passenger here, we'd have major delays.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:09:21am |
re: #100 Obdicut
re: #100 Obdicut
It's not like anyone's going to be convinced or impressed by his brilliant argument of "I don't believe in science".
Who isn't already convinced by that argument, that is.
It is possible Charles considers it important to have the deniers present as an example to other readers of just how truly stupid these people are.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:12:42am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:19:24am |
re: #80 FriarsTale
hey, friends
did you all see this?
Siberian Methane to Dwarf CO2 as Global Warming Threatseems that more Methane may further accelerate (non-A) Global Warming
This is the methane feedback. More CO2 means a warmer atmosphere means less ice means more methane seeps.
"Though methane trapped under the permafrost" isn't the full mechanism in this case. What happens is that is gets warm enough for bacteria to eat plant material buried in the now, less frozen, Siberian bog. Methane is produced as a waste product.
Methane is a very potent GHG and we could quite easily cross a methane tipping point in the bogs. As to it further accelerating the warming, absolutely. The methane bomb we have cooking up north is very concerning.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:21:19am |
re: #105 LudwigVanQuixote
The methane bomb we have cooking up north is very concerning
San Francisco shouldn't ban McDonalds Happy Meal toys,, they SHOULD ban Taco Bell Double Bean Burritos!
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Interesting Times Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:21:31am |
re: #103 LudwigVanQuixote
Getting back to a science-friendly discussion of the topic at hand, have you seen this before?
Pushing Back Against the Methane Tipping Point
Here's one piece of mitigating information: it's unclear how long this methane leak has been happening, or the degree to which the measured methane levels exceeds previous amounts. If we're lucky, this is actually a status quo situation, and we still have time before we reach a tipping point. But basing our strategy on "if we're lucky" is not very wise.
They go on to say:
So what about methanotrophic bacteria? Such bacteria have long been recognized in freshwater areas and soil, and have had limited use in bioremediation efforts...research suggests that methanotrophic Archaea may be responsible for the oxidation of up to 80% of the methane in the oceans...So here's the proposal: we need to deploy methanotrophic microbes at the East Siberian Ice Shelf.
It does sound like a bit of a "Hail Mary" pass, but given recent advances in bioengineering, it might be possible...
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AK-47% Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:26:10am |
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:30:28am |
re: #107 publicityStunted
There's a lot of really cool science that we could apply to the problem. But first we have to change our entire culture.
And that's the real hail mary aspect of it, to me.
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:30:45am |
re: #80 FriarsTale
hey, friends
did you all see this?
Siberian Methane to Dwarf CO2 as Global Warming Threatseems that more Methane may further accelerate (non-A) Global Warming
Once you've covered (as LVQ suggested) some basic grade school science like how rain and snow works then move on to some basic systems theory which is the basis of really understanding ecological systems and you'll find things like 'positive feedback' loops. Once you get an understanding of those concepts you'll understand what's happening with the methane seeping issue and how AGW fits with the whole thing. In a nutshell warming can create feedback loops that accelerate (exponentially) ecosystem processes. Ecosystems do not function in linear a fashion.
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Ojoe Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:32:08am |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:32:23am |
re: #104 LudwigVanQuixote
I do have a chemistry math/energy question. It takes a certain amount of energy to split water. Would it be about the same or a dramatically different amount of energy to split the C out of methane? Which of course would leave us with carbon in it's black solid state and H only...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:37:11am |
re: #107 publicityStunted
Getting back to a science-friendly discussion of the topic at hand, have you seen this before?
Pushing Back Against the Methane Tipping Point
They go on to say:
It does sound like a bit of a "Hail Mary" pass, but given recent advances in bioengineering, it might be possible...
One problem is that those critters in the ocean are adapted to living in salt water. The melting bog lakes are freshwater.
Another problem is that the oceans, being all made out of water, allow for a very rapid spread of the microbes. The Siberian bog is tens of thousands of little lakelets.
This also does nothing to counteract methane releases from the oceans. Dissolved CO2 in the oceans kill those very bacteria
A final problem is that it is uncertain what releasing a new microbe into that eco system will do.
The best thing to do would be to simply deploy the non fossil fuel energy technologies we already have, create millions of jobs doing so, make a ton of money and improve our national security - and oh yes save the world.
Nuclear, Wind, Solar, Update the grid, electric vehicle fleet.
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:37:11am |
re: #98 LudwigVanQuixote
you said all this yesterday
blah blah blah
stop repeating yourself
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:38:52am |
re: #114 friarstale
I'd just like to note that my father is a medievalist, and you're defaming an otherwise wonderful username. Unless it's ironic, and you're declaring yourself to be medieval in your attitude towards science.
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:38:54am |
Speaking of science this morning at the gym I discovered how to change time.
My game plan is to do between 30 t0 45 minutes of cardio. When I started time slowed way down.
When I started listening to a podcast from Ted Talk, time sped up.
Therefore my scientific conclusion is that there is something about Ted Talk that actually affects dimensional time.
I think I will write a paper about it.
// :D
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:39:08am |
re: #114 friarstale
We were not all here yesterday. So I'd appreciate you not running down my mornings reading.
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:39:22am |
re: #110 Jadespring
so tell me, oh wise one
what would the earth cycles be if there were no humans on the planet?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:40:55am |
re: #112 Rightwingconspirator
I do have a chemistry math/energy question. It takes a certain amount of energy to split water. Would it be about the same or a dramatically different amount of energy to split the C out of methane? Which of course would leave us with carbon in it's black solid state and H only...
So the binding energy for hydrogen in methane is less than it is for water IIRC, but why would you want to to do this. Also, to do this you would need to catch the methane first. Which is a real problem. You really can't just suck it all out of the atmosphere with some large facility or a thousand or even ten thousand such facilities.
Even if you could, unless you are running those facilities off of something other than fossil fuels to power them, you still haven't fixed anything.
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:41:23am |
re: #115 Obdicut
I love Chaucer, and The Canterbury Tales
my favorite, and the most important of the Tales, that which is the core story line of The Canterbury Tales, is The Friar's Tale
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:41:50am |
re: #118 friarstale
so tell me, oh wise one
what would the earth cycles be if there were no humans on the planet?
I'm not wise. I just actually read and study stuff related to ecosystems. You know like sciency stuff. It's amazing what one picks up when they actually learn shit.
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:42:54am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:43:16am |
re: #118 friarstale
so tell me, oh wise one
what would the earth cycles be if there were no humans on the planet?
Mostly dominated by Milankovitch cycles and volcanic eruptions. These things take many thousands of years. The fact that we are seeing such dramatic warming in such a short time frame (100 years) is another smoking gun that we are causing this.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:44:01am |
re: #121 friarstale
It's a great story. And if you're intelligent enough to appreciate it, you're intelligent enough to read and understand that the science behind AGW is absolutely solid.
So, why don't you believe in the science of AGW? What is your actual reason or rationale? You've never actually given one.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:44:47am |
re: #119 LudwigVanQuixote
I'm not addressing the methane out of the ground. I'm addressing how to clean up available fuel gases, and in those cases where combustion is the best application-phase into H. To coin a phrase-"Early cycle carbon capture" as a way to reduce COx releases.
Oh and A little self interest-One of our biggest energy costs at the shop is tanked H. Many cylinders each week.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:45:30am |
re: #121 friarstale
Also, I disagree that it's the core story of the tales. Have you read Muscatine?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:45:33am |
re: #123 friarstale
I know.
Jade is vastly smarter than you.
Now I have addressed two of your talking points.
Do you understand what a Milankovitch cycle is? Since you don't understand the water cycle, that is unlikely.
So can you, in your own words, explain the water cycle?
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:45:46am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:50:17am |
re: #125 Obdicut
It's a great story. And if you're intelligent enough to appreciate it, you're intelligent enough to read and understand that the science behind AGW is absolutely solid.
So, why don't you believe in the science of AGW? What is your actual reason or rationale? You've never actually given one.
Given the impending flooding caused by AGW, he should have chosen the Miller's tale to be a proper troll. That would have been clever.
But all in all, his medieval understanding of science rather fits together well.
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:51:58am |
re: #109 Obdicut
There's a lot of really cool science that we could apply to the problem. But first we have to change our entire culture.
This is exactly my point, Obdicut.
We need a comprehensive examination of the Climate Change issue, including the basic natural cyles of global climate and the percent human activity exacerbates any natural climate fluctuations, and then we can respond to that and lessen the human influence on natural climate fluctuation.
Yes, this would, I believe, include increased use of Nuclear, solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative energy sources.
I believe recycling is important.
I believe overpopulation, poverty, illiteracy, land use planning, extinctions of species, and a whole host of other issues are important, too.
I believe that human ingenuity can identify problems and work toward solutions to improve the lives of all of Earth's inhabitants, both human and all other species.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:51:59am |
re: #126 Rightwingconspirator
I'm not addressing the methane out of the ground. I'm addressing how to clean up available fuel gases, and in those cases where combustion is the best application-phase into H. To coin a phrase-"Early cycle carbon capture" as a way to reduce COx releases.
Oh and A little self interest-One of our biggest energy costs at the shop is tanked H. Many cylinders each week.
I am not certain of this, but I would think that most of the hydrogen you get in the tank is stripped off of things like methane.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:54:08am |
re: #131 friarstale
But you don't believe in the water cycle?
You seem to miss the fact that we have been studying this for over 60 years and already know the basic mechanisms. This is an interesting change in stance.
So you were answered by the way.
What are Milankovitch cycles?
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:54:12am |
re: #131 friarstale
We need a comprehensive examination of the Climate Change issue, including the basic natural cyles of global climate and the percent human activity exacerbates any natural climate fluctuations, and then we can respond to that and lessen the human influence on natural climate fluctuation.
We've already done this.
I believe that human ingenuity can identify problems and work toward solutions to improve the lives of all of Earth's inhabitants, both human and all other species.
Then why not celebrate and support the scientists who have painstakingly uncovered AGW and worked so hard at getting the world's attention on this devastatingly important issue? Why, instead, do you attack them?
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:56:35am |
re: #133 LudwigVanQuixote
wow, 60 years is sure a long time
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iossarian Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:56:36am |
re: #44 RogueOne
Back to an earlier conversation...
The first time I went to Detroit, I had a job interview downtown, right on the waterfront. I had directions to get there from my hotel in the suburbs. When I left, I figured I'd just reverse the directions, which would have worked fine except that I didn't realize that the parking structure exit was on the east side of the building, whereas the entrance had been on the north side (I assumed they were in the same place).
This 90 degree offset eventually led to me driving through a very burned out neighborhood, looking for some kind of landmark that might point me back in the right direction. I was pretty nervous, but mostly it was sad. A lot of the buildings were empty and a lot of the cars abandoned.
Eventually, I saw a teenager in a hooded sweatshirt riding a bike across a vacant lot. I asked him how to get to the freeway. He was very polite and gave me perfect directions. Other than that, I don't think I saw anyone in the neighborhood.
So, that's my little Detroit story for the day.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:58:04am |
re: #134 Obdicut
We've already done this.
Then why not celebrate and support the scientists who have painstakingly uncovered AGW and worked so hard at getting the world's attention on this devastatingly important issue? Why, instead, do you attack them?
Well, to make an evolution analogy, he went from bible banging troll to ID troll. You see he is really pro science - just study it more and teach the controversy and all that...
In the mean time a very serious clock is ticking.
But mostly he's a moron and he is slightly disappointed that you didn't fall for his shift in tone.
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:58:41am |
re: #134 Obdicut
devastatingly important issue?
um, when are we gonna get devastated?
it's the alarmistness I don't appreciate, and the preaching by self-annointed people like LudVig Von Luddite
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:59:03am |
re: #135 friarstale
It certainly is. In less than sixty years we went from a rudimentary understanding of radiation and the unstable radioactive elements to detonating nuclear weapons.
Now, can you actually give a reason for your disbelief in AGW, or, in the end, do you not even have one?
And have you read Muscatine?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:59:17am |
Please stop feeding the troll.
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:00:25am |
re: #137 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, to make an evolution analogy, he went from bible banging troll to ID troll.
when did I bible bang?
you must be confusing me with somebody else
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:01:28am |
re: #138 friarstale
There's is nothing 'alarmist' about a real warning. Rejecting something on the basis that it predicts a very bad event occurring is completely illogical. If someone warns you that if you light a match in a pure oxygen environment you'll cause a conflagration, they're not being alarmist, they're being realistic.
If someone warns you that continuing to increase the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere will cause the average temperature to rise, which will cause climate to change, crops to die, etc. etc., it's not alarmism either.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:01:43am |
re: #132 LudwigVanQuixote
The welding tank supplier Airgas guy told me electrolysis is how industrial H is made. Kinda sucks if they get that electricity from coal fired electric plants. I am a hydrogen advocate. In a number of ways, as in really comfortable working with it. I wanted the H powered Honda that came out. Now before you remind me nuclear is the way to go (and I agree when the national will finally arrives)
I'll just pimp for methane as the better way to go compared to coal or oil fired electrical generation.
Get from methane to H and you have very clean emissions. If it leaks it flies up and away from your operators at considerable speed. If they ever get H fusion going, well that's scifi for now.
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:02:02am |
re: #139 Obdicut
It certainly is. In less than sixty years we went from a rudimentary understanding of radiation and the unstable radioactive elements to detonating nuclear weapons.
well, then soon we will find an answer to Climate Control, too!
Rejoice!
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:02:11am |
re: #142 friarstale
He's making an analogy from you moving from a flat-out denier, anti-science position, which you've previously taken, to the 'we just need to study it more' position, which is simply a mask for denial, as ID is a mask for creationism.
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iossarian Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:02:33am |
re: #138 friarstale
um, when are we gonna get devastated?
it's the alarmistness I don't appreciate, and the preaching by self-annointed people like LudVig Von Luddite
Congratulations, you have reached step 4 of the patented right-wing global warming argument method.
1) AGW isn't real.
2) AGW is real, but might not be too bad! I like warm weather!
3) AGW is real and bad, but addressing it would mean "economic suicide". What about China and India???
4) AGW is real and bad, and we should do something about it, but I can't get on board because meanie liberals are making it a "political football".
5) Repeat 1).
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:02:54am |
re: #135 friarstale
wow, 60 years is sure a long time
And we have directly measured data going back 200 years. However just to give you some perspective as to what 60 years means in science,
in 1880 we were just hammering out classical E&M and thermodynamics.
By 1940, we had relativity, (both special and general) atomic theory (even proof that atoms and parts of atoms like protons, neutrons and electrons exist), quantum mechanics, the beginnings of quantum field theory, the discovery of anti-matter, and nuclear theory.
60 years is a very long time in science.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:03:03am |
re: #145 friarstale
We have the answer already. We need to massively cut down on our use of fossil fuels and fully engage in alternative energies. In addition, we need to change our cultural attitudes towards consumption.
However, recognizing a solution and implementing it are very, very different things.
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:03:42am |
re: #143 Obdicut
crops to die, etc. etc.,
I thought crops liked C02?
dope growers use co2 to boost their leaf yield
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iossarian Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:04:22am |
re: #150 friarstale
I thought crops liked C02?
dope growers use co2 to boost their leaf yield
Bouncing straight back to step 2? Now that's creative.
Soon we'll hear the "science isn't settled" point, no doubt.
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:04:51am |
re: #147 iossarian
Hey, yeah!
What about China and India???
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iossarian Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:05:16am |
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:05:26am |
re: #150 friarstale
This is why you should read the site I keep pointing you to: it disposes with those common myths and misconceptions really easily.
[Link: www.skepticalscience.com...]
While CO2 is essential for plant growth, all agriculture depends also on steady water supplies, and climate change is likely to disrupt those supplies through floods and droughts. It has been suggested that higher latitudes – Siberia, for example – may become productive due to global warming, but the soil in Arctic and bordering territories is very poor, and the amount of sunlight reaching the ground in summer will not change because it is governed by the tilt of the earth. Agriculture can also be disrupted by wildfires and changes in seasonal periodicity, which is already taking place, and changes to grasslands and water supplies could impact grazing and welfare of domestic livestock. Increased warming may also have a greater effect on countries whose climate is already near or at a temperature limit over which yields reduce or crops fail – in the tropics or sub-Sahara, for example.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:05:30am |
re: #29 sattv4u2
ftfy ,,, I've lived and/or spent time in many locales over my lifetime. Come to Atlanta during a rainstorm! (something, btw, that happens just about every late afternoon in the spring/summer)
That is because in Atlanta tire treads are an option and a turn signal is a sign of weakness.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:06:17am |
re: #155 DaddyG
That is because in Atlanta tire treads are an option and a turn signal is a sign of weakness.
Only Yankees use turn signals...
;)
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AK-47% Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:06:50am |
re: #148 LudwigVanQuixote
in 1999, I was walking my two-year-old daughter. We ran across some remaindered 5 1/4" floppy discs on sale at a local shop. I told her that she would someday be able to tell her grandchildren about how she saw such a thing.
And I also told her about how when I was born, a telephone, TV, music player, radio and typewriter were all separate devices that could only communicate through bulky analog technology platforms...
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:07:25am |
re: #128 LudwigVanQuixote
So can you, in your own words, explain the water cycle?
Rain - Hops - Beer - Pee - Evaporation - Rain
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AK-47% Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:08:19am |
re: #150 friarstale
I thought crops liked C02?
dope growers use co2 to boost their leaf yield
I can only assume you are being intentionally obtuse.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:08:30am |
re: #157 ralphieboy
And yet I can't get my colorjet printer to work with printfile on windows 7.
Curses!
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:08:40am |
re: #149 Obdicut
I agree 100%!
Now we can be friends!
And no, I haven't read Muscatine, but I have read Ed Condren
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:08:50am |
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:09:00am |
On a related note I'm am really happy to say that a good number of people that live in my area are starting to put thoughts into action to address the myriad of issues related to a changing climate. The list of what people are doing and planning are doing is great. It's moving beyond just individual solutions to community wide planning, projects and support for initiatives. The area spans two municipalities which in the last election saw one completely change the entire council and the other the majority of it change. The biggest difference is the outlook of both of them and one of the first things both new mayors are planning on implementing is are community climate change plans.
It's basically being integrated as a basic foundation of all community planning. I'm pretty durn excited to be in a place where the arguments about 'if it's real' are part of the past. Also important to note this area politically is considered very conservative and rural and one of the biggest interest groups want to do things is the farming community. Why? Because these folks who work with the land and have done for most of their lives, their parents lives and their grandparents lives are seeing it's real world effects enough to know that it isn't some sort of elite liberal plot or hoax plied by the sciency types.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:09:12am |
re: #138 friarstale
um, when are we gonna get devastated?
it's the alarmistness I don't appreciate, and the preaching by self-annointed people like LudVig Von Luddite
Wow, then you must really hate NASA, NOAA, The AGU, the APS, The Royal Society and the national Academies of the US, Canada, France, Russia, Germany and Israel, who say the same things!
But to answer your question specifically, places around the world are already getting devastated. Why don't you look into the heat waves and enhanced monsoons in Asia or the failures of the Russian crops. Or you could talk to the Eskimos, whose lifestyle is vanishing. Why not just look these things up?
As to when everyday Americans get devastated, You should maybe look at how the Colorado river is doing, or the amount of ice in th Sierra Nevadas.
it is already happening now. It gets much much worse. By 2100 at this rate, between dustbowls and droughts in the mid and south west, and flooding on the coasts, there will not be anything like America as we know it.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:09:47am |
re: #161 friarstale
If you agree 100%, then please explain your earlier attacks on the science of AGW, scientists, and 'alarmism'.
And you should read Muscatine.
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darthstar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:10:50am |
Chris Whalen can kiss my Californian ass.
Good morning, everyone. California, fuck yeah! The above link is a great smack down. Enjoy.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:12:03am |
re: #152 friarstale
Hey, yeah!
What about China and India???
Interestingly enough since the terrible monsoons and heat waves hit India and Pakistan, and the harvests failed in China as well, they have strongly shifted their tunes.
China, even though it is now the world's largest emitter is also the worlds largest producer of green technology. They are cornering a needed market on us - using many of our own ideas, because morons like you prevented America from using her own know how.
Now, idiot troll can you explain the water cycle to me?
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:12:30am |
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Reginald Perrin Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:13:33am |
re: #150 friarstale
I thought crops liked C02?
You're mixed up and thinking of Brawndo, "it's got what plants crave.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:13:56am |
re: #150 friarstale
I thought crops liked C02?
dope growers use co2 to boost their leaf yield
Before explaining the carbon cycle to you, we haven't gotten any indication hat you understand the water cycle.
Can you explain the water cycle?
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:14:23am |
re: #170 LudwigVanQuixote
Now, idiot troll can you explain the water cycle to me?
I will do nothing for you.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:14:27am |
re: #172 friarstale
Are you seriously dismissing the prospect of mass famine because it's ninety years away?
I'd read that article about how people are more resistant to accepting the reality of AGW when the actual, serious consequences of it are pointed out, but I still don't understand it.
Can you explain your attitude, at all?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:14:29am |
re: #173 Reginald Perrin
You're mixed up and thinking of Brawndo, "it's got what plants crave.
It has electrolytes!
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:15:02am |
re: #170 LudwigVanQuixote
how are the monsoons "worse than ever" my alarmist friend?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:15:25am |
re: #172 friarstale
ok, thanks, by 2100
I'll set my Calendar
Did you miss the bit about what is happening now already in that post? Why yes, yes you did. Moron.
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:15:47am |
re: #157 ralphieboy
in 1999, I was walking my two-year-old daughter. We ran across some remaindered 5 1/4" floppy discs on sale at a local shop. I told her that she would someday be able to tell her grandchildren about how she saw such a thing.
And I also told her about how when I was born, a telephone, TV, music player, radio and typewriter were all separate devices that could only communicate through bulky analog technology platforms...
I'm not even that old and it's pretty cool to think about how different it was when I was a kid to what kids are growing up with these days. My nephew is amazed that at one time if you wanted to watch a tv show you had to watch it at the exact time that it was on and that with our first tv you had to actually get up to change the channel and the volume. :)
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:16:06am |
re: #179 friarstale
Why do you say that you agree 100% about the need to stop using fossil fuels to prevent the outcomes of AGW, and yet refer to those outcomes as 'alarmism'?
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:16:19am |
re: #176 Obdicut
yeah, I can
"acid rain"
"ozone hole"
"overpopulation"
"new ice age"
"agw"
it's the crisis du jour, and that's about it
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:17:03am |
re: #178 BadNewsModerate
Why? you miss 4th grade?
NO he did. His earlier posts show pretty clearly he doesn't get it. Rather than letting the troll run around all over th place, it is better to try to keep them going one topic at a time. That way it is harder for them to pretend that they didn't have their idiot talking point thrashed.
They also just might learn some science for a change.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:18:07am |
re: #179 friarstale
how are the monsoons "worse than ever" my alarmist friend?
Well six million people out of their homes in Pakistan was pretty bad.
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:18:10am |
re: #166 Obdicut
If you agree 100%, then please explain your earlier attacks on the science of AGW, scientists, and 'alarmism'.
because you became less alarmist when you said this:
We have the answer already. We need to massively cut down on our use of fossil fuels and fully engage in alternative energies. In addition, we need to change our cultural attitudes towards consumption.
However, recognizing a solution and implementing it are very, very different things.
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darthstar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:18:41am |
President Obama to pardon Mitch McConnell today. No, he hasn't committed any crimes that we're aware of yet, but in the interest of bipartisanship, a new thanksgiving tradition of pardoning the biggest turkey with the biggest jowels is in order.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:18:47am |
re: #183 friarstale
There really was acid rain, and we really did take measures to correct it.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
There really was an ozone hole, and we really did take measures to correct it.
There was no scientific consensus of a new ice age.
Bluntly, your positions are all simply taken from an ignorance of either history or science.
There is scientific consensus that AGW is occurring.
Why do you reject that science?
Let's start with an easier question for you.
Do you agree that higher CO2 concentrations in atmosphere leads to an increase in heat in that atmosphere?
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:18:58am |
re: #185 LudwigVanQuixote
Well six million people out of their homes in Pakistan was pretty bad.
and is that a new record?
when did these monsoons first begin?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:19:08am |
re: #175 friarstale
I will do nothing for you.
So you can't explain the water cycle.
How do you think you have any leg to stand on in a science discussion if you don't get grade school science?
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:19:08am |
re: #183 friarstale
yeah, I can
"acid rain"
"ozone hole"
"overpopulation"
"new ice age"
"agw"it's the crisis du jour, and that's about it
The one thing your missing is that with acid rain and the ozone issue is that they were enough of a crisis that people actually did things about them to mitigate them. World wide regs and treaties and whatnot. The reason that they don't appear to be such a 'crisis' today isn't that they never were in the first place it's that people actually DID something about them.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:19:53am |
re: #186 friarstale
Ludwig says that all the time, so that doesn't actually answer the question. And you're vacillating between claiming AGW isn't really happening, as in your last post, and claiming you just don't like alarmism. you're not discussing this in good faith.
Why? What's the point?
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:20:00am |
re: #147 iossarian
4) AGW is real and bad, and we should do something about it, but I can't get on board because meanie liberals are making it a "political football".
I'm stuck on number 4 although it isn't just the libs who are making it into a political football. The NIMBYs, those who profit from the status quo, those who are invested in old technology, etc are all culpable.
Those who would use this conundrum for personal and political gain (Yes you Al Gore) are doing damage just as those who fear competition from new technologies (Yes you GM) are clearly putting politics over sense.
Even on a local level I couldn't even put a solar panel on my roof if I could afford to because the NIMBYs in my home owners association don't want them.
Grrrr...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:20:22am |
re: #188 Obdicut
And acid rain was cut by a cap and trade scheme made by Reagan and initiated by Bush Sr. Back then Cap and Trade was a "free market solution!"
Hell, McCain and Palin even ran on it!
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:20:23am |
For those of you enjoying weather above 50 dig I plug my ears!Lalalalalalalal I can't hear you!
It's up to a wopping 15 dig!
Hope ya'll have a great Thanksgiving!
If your traveling, God Speed/Good luck!
Gotta go out and scrape more SNOW!
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iossarian Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:20:45am |
re: #189 friarstale
and is that a new record?
when did these monsoons first begin?
How cold was it in Ulan Batur in 1762? Is there methane on Mars? What color is cheese?
UNTIL MY QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED THE SCIENCE ISN'T SETTLED!
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:21:11am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Just finished reading a pretty good book that touches on climate change and one of the biggest concerns facing people in the coming century - the ability to get potable water. It goes through the history of man's effort to tame water - using it for irrigation, transportation, sanitation, and its exploitation and pollution and how we're now beginning to understand the limits of water accessibility and how this can and will affect the coming century as water resources become more difficult to access.
Climate change will affect rainfall patterns, which affects stream and river flows, and the potential results could be catastrophic. Underground aquifers are being depleted at alarming rates, and unless significant steps are taken to reduce and reuse water, droughts and famines will become more widespread.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:21:35am |
re: #193 DaddyG
Please stop trying to blame Al Gore for attempting to use his political clout to wake the world up to the threat of AGW. You have it exactly fucking backwards. Al Gore isn't attempting to gain politically on the issue. He's attempting to use his political stature to press the issue.
Just stop it. Jesus. It gets so fucking tiring seeing Gore get lambasted for possibly the most ethical action of his entire career.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:22:58am |
re: #189 friarstale
and is that a new record?
when did these monsoons first begin?
It's funny you asked that. You see the enhanced monsoons all had to do with the warming of the seas and increased vapor pressure coupled with the ability of a warmer atmosphere to hold vapor!
You would know the answer if you understood the water cycle!
So really, you should learn that.
What is the water cycle?
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:23:01am |
re: #193 DaddyG
Even on a local level I couldn't even put a solar panel on my roof if I could afford to because the NIMBYs in my home owners association don't want them.
Grrr...
That sucks.
There's a group in my area that is currently working at changing building codes and by-laws so this type of thing can't happen. It's been a bit of a slog but now several of them have actually got elected to the new councils so it'll probably speed up the process.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:23:30am |
re: #181 Jadespring
Thatre: #157 ralphieboy
in 1999, I was walking my two-year-old daughter. We ran across some remaindered 5 1/4" floppy discs on sale at a local shop. I told her that she would someday be able to tell her grandchildren about how she saw such a thing.
And I also told her about how when I was born, a telephone, TV, music player, radio and typewriter were all separate devices that could only communicate through bulky analog technology platforms...
That's nothing, my grandma taught be how to use abacus when I was a kid (hardcore enough for ya?:), and I grew up to program a calculator, followed by computers. That's progress! As far as floppies, 3.25" are still in use, now if you were to see 5.5" monstrosities it would be a different story.
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:23:56am |
re: #198 lawhawk
potential results could be catastrophic. Underground aquifers are being depleted at alarming rates, and unless significant steps are taken to reduce and reuse water, droughts and famines will become more widespread.
Ha ha ha ha ha!
alarmism sells
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iossarian Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:24:09am |
re: #199 Obdicut
Please stop trying to blame Al Gore for attempting to use his political clout to wake the world up to the threat of AGW. You have it exactly fucking backwards. Al Gore isn't attempting to gain politically on the issue. He's attempting to use his political stature to press the issue.
Just stop it. Jesus. It gets so fucking tiring seeing Gore get lambasted for possibly the most ethical action of his entire career.
So true. This whole "Gore was only talking about climate change for political gain" is projection at its most obvious.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:24:27am |
re: #193 DaddyG
You could bring up how Thatcher was more strident than Gore and how Reagan and Bush Sr. were convinced of the need to take action back in the eighties and early nineties.
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:24:54am |
re: #200 LudwigVanQuixote
What is the water cycle?
if you want to know, just google it, and get off my back, preacher
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:25:14am |
re: #193 DaddyG
And that wasn't a personal attack, DaddyG. I'm sorry if it sounded harsh. But it really is nuts to me that Gore gets attacked for using his political clout for a good cause.
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:25:49am |
re: #202 yasharki
Thatre: #157 ralphieboy
That's nothing, my grandma taught be how to use abacus when I was a kid (hardcore enough for ya?:), and I grew up to program a calculator, followed by computers. That's progress! As far as floppies, 3.25" are still in use, now if you were to see 5.5" monstrosities it would be a different story.
My dad still has a box of 5.5s". The computer that used them (one of the first IBM personal computers) is long gone but he keeps them 'just in case."
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:27:14am |
re: #207 Obdicut
I'm sorry if it sounded harsh.
you mean this part:
You have it exactly fucking backwards.
Jesus. It gets so fucking tiring
yeah, you "true believers" get that way a lot, don't you?
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:27:22am |
re: #206 friarstale
You have nothing. No argument, not even any consistency to your trolling. And despite supposedly loving Chaucer, you haven't read the single greatest Chaucer scholar.
GAZE.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:27:27am |
re: #199 Obdicut
Please stop trying to blame Al Gore for attempting to use his political clout to wake the world up to the threat of AGW. You have it exactly fucking backwards. Al Gore isn't attempting to gain politically on the issue. He's attempting to use his political stature to press the issue.
Just stop it. Jesus. It gets so fucking tiring seeing Gore get lambasted for possibly the most ethical action of his entire career.
...not to mention profit handsomely from trading in the process. I'd have a lot more repsect if he hadn't done that. It's kind of like asking me to apprecite BP for their efforts to reduce emmissions.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:28:38am |
re: #175 friarstale
I will do nothing for you.
Understanding the water cycle is something you could do for yourself.
Doesn't it embarrass you to realize that you flunk middle school science? Where I come from, being that ignorant is nothing to be proud of.
So seriously, this is really basic, and it has been explained to you about a dozen times, so you could even cut and paste...
What is the water cycle?
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:28:56am |
re: #210 Obdicut
I am not seeking your approval or esteem
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darthstar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:29:31am |
re: #203 friarstale
Ha ha ha ha ha!
alarmism sells
Ha ha indeed, coming from someone who named himself after a petulant beggar who devoted himself to merely attacking others, yet was equally despicable, though he was incapable of recognizing that simple fact.
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:29:41am |
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:30:18am |
re: #211 DaddyG
Holy crap, you just compared Al Gore to BP.
Take a moment and think this the hell through, dude.
You seriously think that Al Gore, incredibly wealthy dude, is attempting to get people to realize the dangers of climate change so that he can profit off of it? That's his grand fucking scheme for making more money-- convincing everyone of a very, very important scientific truth and making money off of it?
That is really, really fucking close to saying that we can't trust scientists because they make money off of grants, or saying that we can't trust anyone promoting cleaner energy because they stand to profit.
God, I'm so sick of that position. It just drives me up the fucking wall. Suddenly if someone is making money off of something they're bad, bad, bad, even if they're absolutely right.
Can you explain why?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:30:29am |
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:31:00am |
re: #198 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Just finished reading a pretty good book that touches on climate change and one of the biggest concerns facing people in the coming century - the ability to get potable water. It goes through the history of man's effort to tame water - using it for irrigation, transportation, sanitation, and its exploitation and pollution and how we're now beginning to understand the limits of water accessibility and how this can and will affect the coming century as water resources become more difficult to access.
Climate change will affect rainfall patterns, which affects stream and river flows, and the potential results could be catastrophic. Underground aquifers are being depleted at alarming rates, and unless significant steps are taken to reduce and reuse water, droughts and famines will become more widespread.
Looks like and interesting book. I'm surrounded by water and it's difficult at times not to take it for granted. I did grow up in a city though that now regularly experiences water issues. Some of it's due to sheer population growth but over the past few years the major determining factor is winter snow pack and percpitation levels. Milder winters means less water in the watersheds that feed the city.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:31:06am |
re: #208 Jadespring
I think 5.5 drives used same ribbon as a 3.25 drive, so theoretically you can still hook it up to your mobo if you can find one. I would be curios to find out if your dad's floppies are still readable, I found that most 1.4mb floppies shed their magnetic coating after a few years and became unreadable.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:31:24am |
re: #207 Obdicut
And that wasn't a personal attack, DaddyG. I'm sorry if it sounded harsh. But it really is nuts to me that Gore gets attacked for using his political clout for a good cause.
No offense taken. (Although it was nice of you to clarify).
I don't have a problem with Gore's advocacy - it was his trading on that policy that makes me a bit cynical. That appearant conflict of interest is a contributing factor to the politicization of a process that should have a home more secured in science and environmental policy.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:31:39am |
re: #206 friarstale
if you want to know, just google it, and get off my back, preacher
I explained it to you in three different posts. You are so ignorant you didn't even get the explanation! The point of asking you this is when you do answer it, you strike your first false talking point off the list for yourself.
It's been a while since we had to deal with losers from the swamp on this issue. I forgot how blisteringly stupid you are.
So before we move on to any of your other drivel, what is the water cycle?
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:31:49am |
re: #214 darthstar
named himself after a petulant beggar who devoted himself to merely attacking others, yet was equally despicable, though he was incapable of recognizing that simple fact.
hmm...
you're confusing the character with his tale
The Friar's Tale is the core story of The Canterbury Tales
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:32:25am |
re: #220 DaddyG
No offense taken. (Although it was nice of you to clarify).
I don't have a problem with Gore's advocacy - it was his trading on that policy that makes me a bit cynical. That appearant conflict of interest is a contributing factor to the politicization of a process that should have a home more secured in science and environmental policy.
How is it a conflict of interests?
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:32:38am |
re: #213 friarstale
I am not seeking your approval or esteem
You are also not seeking an intelligent discussion of the facts. Obviously.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:33:03am |
re: #157 ralphieboy
in 1999, I was walking my two-year-old daughter. We ran across some remaindered 5 1/4" floppy discs on sale at a local shop. I told her that she would someday be able to tell her grandchildren about how she saw such a thing.
And I also told her about how when I was born, a telephone, TV, music player, radio and typewriter were all separate devices that could only communicate through bulky analog technology platforms...
I'd be more impressed if they were 8" floppies. Those things were a hoot. Made good frisbees when they failed too. Or if you didn't like the Sysadm... :oops:
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friarstale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:33:19am |
re: #222 LudwigVanQuixote
google it if you don't know
man, you are really obstinate
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darthstar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:34:11am |
re: #223 friarstale
hmm...
you're confusing the character with his taleThe Friar's Tale is the core story of The Canterbury Tales
You're emulating the character, character.
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:35:00am |
re: #219 yasharki
I think 5.5 drives used same ribbon as a 3.25 drive, so theoretically you can still hook it up to your mobo if you can find one. I would be curios to find out if your dad's floppies are still readable, I found that most 1.4mb floppies shed their magnetic coating after a few years and became unreadable.
I would expect that most of them are unreadble by now. It's one of the things I tease my Dad about. "Dad why are you storing useless pieces of plastic?" He's a pack rat though so I expect that at some point (later rather then sooner hopefully) I will have to figure out what to do with his boxes of old technology.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:35:02am |
re: #227 wlewisiii
I'd be more impressed if they were 8" floppies. Those things were a hoot. Made good frisbees when they failed too. Or if you didn't like the Sysadm... :oops:
Ever seen perforated cards? Now those were hardcore!
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darthstar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:35:55am |
re: #228 friarstale
google it if you don't know
man, you are really obstinate
google, google, google, google, google, google, google, google, google, google... Where did you go to college, HotAir or RedState?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:36:31am |
re: #224 friarstale
yeah it is
Let's try a different approach.
Does it not embarrass you to realize that all you can do is make unsubstantiated remarks and snark, while your pathetic talking points are shot down with actual facts?
Does it bother you at all, that outside of the echo chamber of the far right, and the constant little reach around you guys do for each other at the village of the banned, you are seen as a failure.
Really, people who don't vote for Palin are unimpressed with adults who can't manage a fourth grade education.
Does it bother you to know you are ignorant and reviled for being ignorant?
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:37:21am |
re: #216 Obdicut
Holy crap, you just compared Al Gore to BP.
Take a moment and think this the hell through, dude.
You seriously think that Al Gore, incredibly wealthy dude, is attempting to get people to realize the dangers of climate change so that he can profit off of it? That's his grand fucking scheme for making more money-- convincing everyone of a very, very important scientific truth and making money off of it?
That is really, really fucking close to saying that we can't trust scientists because they make money off of grants, or saying that we can't trust anyone promoting cleaner energy because they stand to profit.
God, I'm so sick of that position. It just drives me up the fucking wall. Suddenly if someone is making money off of something they're bad, bad, bad, even if they're absolutely right.
Can you explain why?
My position isn't as extreme as that. I would prefer to see politicians that stand to benefit from something put their assets in a blind trust if they are advocating or legislating something they can profit from. For example here in Georgia our outgoing Governor has the potential to profit from expanding the Port of Savannah. Something that would benefit our state. He's catching flak for his own potential profit. He would have been better off to put that company in a blind trust before persuing the expansion. His motives could be pure but he left himself wide open for criticism.
Gore could have been more circumspect and in turn kept his advocacy from being politicized - that's all. (And no he doesn't deserve the level of grief he receives).
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:37:39am |
Boy the Troll School must be off for the holiday. Good job spanking the idiots LVQ, Obi & all, makes for pleasant morning reading with my coffee. Now off to check the laundry.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:37:47am |
re: #228 friarstale
google it if you don't know
man, you are really obstinate
So the I'm rubber you're glue debating tactic.
I explained it to you several times. Now answer in your own words, What is the water cycle?
Doesn't it bother you that you can't answer simple 7th grade science? Have you no shame?
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:37:57am |
re: #235 DaddyG
I would prefer to see politicians that stand to benefit from something put their assets in a blind trust if they are advocating or legislating something they can profit from.
And what office does Al Gore hold, exactly?
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darthstar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:38:47am |
re: #237 LudwigVanQuixote
But you're still engaging him, and that's what gets him off.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:38:56am |
re: #233 darthstar
google, google, google, google, google, google, google, google, google, google... Where did you go to college, HotAir or RedState?
The think is . . . I DID google for my links above, and he's STILL not satisfied.
LOL.
A few years ago I was chatting with some folks who were farmers/ranchers here.
They were very disturbed about the water situation, they were having to go further down to get water from wells, and in addition, their land was sinking because of the water depletion.. This is in a state where availability of water has never been a problem. It's not a fake or "alarmist" issue. It's real.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:39:12am |
re: #231 yasharki
Ever seen perforated cards? Now those were hardcore!
COBOL was fun on puched cards!
//I happily shredded my decks a long time ago.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:40:48am |
re: #230 Jadespring
I would expect that most of them are unreadble by now. It's one of the things I tease my Dad about. "Dad why are you storing useless pieces of plastic?" He's a pack rat though so I expect that at some point (later rather then sooner hopefully) I will have to figure out what to do with his boxes of old technology.
You can always auction them @ your local antiques shop!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:42:28am |
re: #243 BadNewsModerate
I'm ashamed I wasted whatever amount of time I did on this thread.
You are free to do something else, you know.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:42:53am |
re: #239 darthstar
But you're still engaging him, and that's what gets him off.
NO, being here at all is what gets him off since he was banned.
Check out his youtube page:
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
This folks is was and has been a classic sock.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:43:16am |
re: #243 BadNewsModerate
I'm ashamed I wasted whatever amount of time I did on this thread.
Thanks for sharing your innermost feelings with us. For shame.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:43:27am |
re: #243 BadNewsModerate
I'm ashamed I wasted whatever amount of time I did on this thread.
Why? DoD not interesting enough for you?
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:44:00am |
re: #238 Obdicut
And what office does Al Gore hold, exactly?
He held the Vice Presidency and as such should be circumspect just like any former President. I'm not saying he should be silenced or that his advocacy is flawed. Given how much he's been piled onto I can see why my comments could be construed as such.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:44:17am |
re: #203 friarstale
Alarmism sells? Atlanta nearly ran out of water because of an ongoing drought in the Southeast and Alabama and Florida had to hash out water usage up and downstream to avoid a potentially crippling situation for the city.
Flooding occurs all over the country and causes millions of dollars in damages annually in the US - and that amount can vary greatly depending on where the flooding occurs. Inadequate infrastructure maintenance can make the situation worse - think failed levees. Studies find that a significant portion of the nation's dams are inadequate or are in need of significant improvement.
NYC is spending billions to build a new water tunnel to insure that the flow of water is uninterrupted - and is buying up thousands of acres of land around its watershed to protect it from industrial and agricultural runoff.
This isn't alarmism - it's a recognition that there are serious issues with water access and that they're only going to get worse with continued population growth because of the pressure on a finite resource.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:45:42am |
re: #243 BadNewsModerate
I'm ashamed I wasted whatever amount of time I did on this thread.
So visit other sites that are more to your liking. At least that way you will boost the local tissue and hand lotion markets. /
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:45:43am |
re: #240 reine.de.tout
The think is . . . I DID google for my links above, and he's STILL not satisfied.
LOL.A few years ago I was chatting with some folks who were farmers/ranchers here.
They were very disturbed about the water situation, they were having to go further down to get water from wells, and in addition, their land was sinking because of the water depletion.. This is in a state where availability of water has never been a problem. It's not a fake or "alarmist" issue. It's real.
Over the past few years I've really garnered a heck of lot of respect for the real world knowledge that farmers hold that isn't dependent on book type education. You want to get a good synopsis about the weather and climate in your area talk to old time farmers. The water situation? Farmers. These are folks who livelihoods are attuned to even the most minute changes in the ecosystems around us, things and trends that the average person just doesn't notice.
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darthstar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:45:47am |
re: #245 LudwigVanQuixote
Ah...well, he has earned his smackdown.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:46:33am |
re: #248 DaddyG
He held the Vice Presidency and as such should be circumspect just like any former President
Which is entirely irrelevant to his current actions and to you talking about putting assets into a blind trust.
I'm not saying he should be silenced or that his advocacy is flawed.
Comparing him to BP is very, very, very, very, very, very much saying that his advocacy is flawed.
Given how much he's been piled onto I can see why my comments could be construed as such.
Indeed. After the vice-presidency, he recognized the largest threat facing the United States-- and the world, really-- and decided to try to use his political clout to do something about it. And because he has the temerity to also be engaged in the free-market attempts to do something about it, he gets lambasted.
I just don't get it.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:46:44am |
re: #241 wlewisiii
COBOL was fun on puched cards!
//I happily shredded my decks a long time ago.
1981 - used card punches for parade confetti... Discovered it worked great in car air conditioning vents as a wedding prank...
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:46:55am |
re: #78 RogueOne
Droid APP:
[Link: www.droidapps.org...]
Cool. After my blackberry went through the wash, i was going to get a droid touchscreen. The sales guy took one look at my history of destroying phones and declared it would last a week. I got another blackberry.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:46:59am |
re: #251 Jadespring
Over the past few years I've really garnered a heck of lot of respect for the real world knowledge that farmers hold that isn't dependent on book type education. You want to get a good synopsis about the weather and climate in your area talk to old time farmers. The water situation? Farmers. These are folks who livelihoods are attuned to even the most minute changes in the ecosystems around us, things and trends that the average person just doesn't notice.
egg-zackly.
That conversation was at least 10 years ago, and I can recall it clearly. They were very upset at the situation.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:49:24am |
South Korea remains wary over the ongoing situation following the North's artillery bombardment of a South Korean island and President Obama says that the US will stand shoulder to shoulder with the South and has sent a carrier task force to operate off the Korean coast.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:50:19am |
re: #253 Obdicut
And because he has the temerity to also be engaged in the free-market attempts to do something about it, he gets lambasted.
It has the appearance of a conflit of interest. That was the only parallel I made with BP (in the sense that I wouldn't trust them to advocate lowered emmissions). I did not make an overall comparison of Al Gore to BP in all of their advocacy and business ventures - and I did not intend too imply such a broad comparison. Please don't read too much into my posts.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:50:38am |
re: #257 lawhawk
Incoming criticism from wingnuts of Obama's handling of the situation in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:51:33am |
re: #259 Obdicut
Incoming criticism from wingnuts of Obama's handling of the situation in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
One carrier group! That will do nothing! He should be sending two!
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:51:42am |
re: #258 DaddyG
That is a major rewrite of your original statement.
I'd have a lot more repsect if he hadn't done that. It's kind of like asking me to apprecite BP for their efforts to reduce emmissions.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:52:33am |
re: #147 iossarian
Congratulations, you have reached step 4 of the patented right-wing global warming argument method.
1) AGW isn't real.
2) AGW is real, but might not be too bad! I like warm weather!
3) AGW is real and bad, but addressing it would mean "economic suicide". What about China and India???
4) AGW is real and bad, and we should do something about it, but I can't get on board because meanie liberals are making it a "political football".
5) Repeat 1).
It is utterly maddening. They are pointedly blind and willfully blind. The classic projection is lovely as well. They style themselves as "free thinkers" and call those who look at actual evidence and science, "true believers." Yet, to ignore fact after fact and to be shown wrong clearly on point after point, and never acknowledge that take the blind faith of a true believer from the church of the Gomorrah Old Party.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:52:59am |
re: #260 Jadespring
One carrier group! That will do nothing! He should be sending two!
But he can't, because he's using 65 warships to jetski while laughing at pictures of Americans having their genitals fondled by the TSA who are his first step in communist indoctrination!
The real reason they make you not take liquids on the plane? So you're forced to drink fluoridated water and degrade your precious bodily fluids.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:53:51am |
re: #257 lawhawk
South Korea remains wary over the ongoing situation following the North's artillery bombardment of a South Korean island and President Obama says that the US will stand shoulder to shoulder with the South and has sent a carrier task force to operate off the Korean coast.
I read this morning that the carrier group was already scheduled to be a part of the South Korean excersises but we held back due to Chinese protests. This is a signal to Bejing as much as it is to North Korea.
Very tense stuff. I was kind of appalled that I had to go through several papers (local and national) before I found any coverage of what could be the most important/urgent story in the world today.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:53:54am |
re: #259 Obdicut
Incoming criticism from wingnuts of Obama's handling of the situation in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
He should have had the Air Force drop a small tactical nuke... chicken shit.
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Kronocide Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:54:07am |
re: #253 Obdicut
Indeed. After the vice-presidency, he recognized the largest threat facing the United States-- and the world, really-- and decided to try to use his political clout to do something about it. And because he has the temerity to also be engaged in the free-market attempts to do something about it, he gets lambasted.I just don't get it.
I want to do something about global warming, that includes selling and installing systems and services that monitor or manage energy. I have an advocacy, and I profit from it (as much as I can). I don't see anything wrong with it and don't hold it against Gore that he invests in green energy. He's putting his money where his mouth is.
In fact, he should get Capitalist Cudos for it. But he won't because of crass partisanship.
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FriarsTale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:54:26am |
re: #237 LudwigVanQuixote
Doesn't it bother you that you can't answer simple 7th grade science?
7th grade? I thought u said 4th grade?
now I see why you have such a problem debating me
you can't make up your mind
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:55:44am |
re: #254 DaddyG
1981 - used card punches for parade confetti... Discovered it worked great in car air conditioning vents as a wedding prank...
I actually had no idea what they were, until one of CS professors I studied under treated us to a very cool presentation about computer history. I've also seen them in early 80s and never got a coherent answer from my parents as to what they were, either because they didn't know or because they came from our local KGB hq :)
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:55:55am |
re: #264 BadNewsModerate
Possibly whether I agree with the masses here or not on the GW issue, it was disheartening to see the argument go like this: "we're smert!" upding upding upding "Your not smert" upding upding upding upding "haha " "insult, insult insult" upding upding upding, holy shit you guys are a herd of dum
Except it didn't go that way at all. His talking points were rebuffed with facts. Many many facts.
The fact that you missed that is rather proof of your stupidity as well.
I know that stupid people like you hate being told by everyone else how stupid you are, but you really must be used to it by now.
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Kronocide Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:56:12am |
re: #264 BadNewsModerate
Possibly whether I agree with the masses here or not on the GW issue, it was disheartening to see the argument go like this: "we're smert!" upding upding upding "Your not smert" upding upding upding upding "haha " "insult, insult insult" upding upding upding, holy shit you guys are a herd of dum
complain
complain
complain
then do what you are complaining about
u r dum
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:57:15am |
re: #264 BadNewsModerate
Possibly whether I agree with the masses here or not on the GW issue, it was disheartening to see the argument go like this: "we're smert!" upding upding upding "Your not smert" upding upding upding upding "haha " "insult, insult insult" upding upding upding, holy shit you guys are a herd of dum
Please, then, add your own enlightening comments. The complaints aren't adding much to the conversation.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:57:36am |
re: #261 Obdicut
That is a major rewrite of your original statement.
No it isn't. Put the whole thing in context.
It really pisses me off when others insist on defining what I meant by my own words. I already took some responaiblity and told you that what you interpreted my original comments as was not my intent.
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:57:45am |
re: #263 Obdicut
But he can't, because he's using 65 warships to jetski while laughing at pictures of Americans having their genitals fondled by the TSA who are his first step in communist indoctrination!
The real reason they make you not take liquids on the plane? So you're forced to drink fluoridated water and degrade your precious bodily fluids.
Gah... that hurt my brain.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:58:01am |
Despite all the hype about trying to clog up the works at airports where full body screening devices are operating, Newark Liberty is reporting no issues on this - the busiest travel day of the year. Hopefully this remains the case because the idiocy of trying to create havoc on a travel day because of a snit over TSA workers trying to do their job to keep the public safe from terrorists is just overwhelming. The FBS system has been in the works since the Bush Administration and FBS was seen as less invasive than pat-downs for the public. It isn't a perfect system, and secondary screenings will be required, but a layered defense is needed to protect against terrorists who are always trying to outsmart law enforcement.
Everyone should just use common sense - both the flying public and the TSA.
Moreover, calls to boycott the airlines over the screening will accomplish what exactly? Kill airlines that operate on razor thin margins? Limit transportation options even further? Seek out cars, buses, and trains?
Just because rail and bus terminals don't have screenings doesn't make them preferable - it keeps them a target of terrorists who might prefer the softer target (and which they've attacked overseas in Spain and England, and where buses were frequently attacked in Israel).
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FriarsTale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 7:59:14am |
re: #275 BadNewsModerate
That's right. I'm dumb and stupid and a moron and all the rest of it.
I can take it.
me too
"answer my question"
"answer my question"
"answer my question"
"but you haven't answered my question"
"will u puh-lease answer my question?"
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:00:47am |
re: #268 FriarsTale
7th grade? I thought u said 4th grade?
now I see why you have such a problem debating me
you can't make up your mind
Well you make so many errors. Some of them are fourth grade and others are seventh grade.
We expect fourth graders to understand something about "heat" (actually water vapor in this case) rising.
We expect seventh graders to understand something about the water cycle.
You understand neither.
Really, this is what you get for using a moron like Snork or Beck for a science resource. So I just wnat to know, does it make your blood boil when smart people point out the flaws in your intelligence. Do you feel that those whose parents were brother and sister, like yours, should not be discriminated against?
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Kronocide Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:01:02am |
re: #279 BadNewsModerate
Just.Leave.Already.Don't.Be.A.Drama.Queen.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:01:04am |
re: #259 Obdicut
There isn't much else the US can do. Since the South isn't prepared for a war, the US isn't going to launch airstrikes on its own - that would bring reprisal attacks against South Korea directly. Sanctions are likely, even though they wont do much. Strongly worded UN letters are similarly useless and futile, but those are the options available to the US - and any US president in this situation (which has been the case since the partition of the Korean Peninsula).
A show of force with a carrier task force is about all the US can do militarily unless the South agrees to go to war or carry out attacks against the North in reprisal for the resumption of hostilities.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:01:27am |
re: #271 BadNewsModerate
It's like asking someone repeatedly "So you can't explain the multiplication tables to me, can you?"
Which is sort of the point. He doesn't understand something that basic, and apparently you don't either.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:01:50am |
re: #267 BigPapa
That's part of my problem. He was trading credits not necessarily producing a product or service that would do something real about emmissions.
(I'm open to correction here if I have swallowed a lie about the credits)
It sounds more like Enron than FirstSolar.
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:02:06am |
Ha ha. I just got a hilarious phone call.
Looks like I'm turning into a source for black market eggs.
Rebel, rebel.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:02:07am |
re: #265 DaddyG
Apparently Dancing with the Stars was more important. Nobody puts Baby in the corner. /
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:02:17am |
re: #279 BadNewsModerate
If this were my site, I'd be embarrassed. You're darn right I'll go spend my time elsewhere.
And how many flounces is this for you asshole?
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FriarsTale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:02:53am |
re: #280 LudwigVanQuixote
Do you feel that those whose parents were brother and sister, like yours, should not be discriminated against?
yep, back to personal attacks
you're very predictable
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:03:02am |
re: #274 DaddyG
No it isn't. Put the whole thing in context.
It really pisses me off when others insist on defining what I meant by my own words. I already took some responaiblity and told you that what you interpreted my original comments as was not my intent.
I'm sorry, but I'm standing by my criticism of your comments.
You said this:
Those who would use this conundrum for personal and political gain (Yes you Al Gore) are doing damage just as those who fear competition from new technologies (Yes you GM) are clearly putting politics over sense.
Gore is not doing damage. Those who castigate him reflexively are. The reaction to Gore is damaging. And he does not gain politically.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:03:47am |
Somebody put us out of their misery, please.
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:04:14am |
re: #288 FriarsTale
yep, back to personal attacks
you're very predictable
Oh geez it's not like you haven't been playing the personal attack line as well.
Such a martyr.....
Make me tear right up at the injustice of it all.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:04:25am |
re: #275 BadNewsModerate
That's right. I'm dumb and stupid and a moron and all the rest of it.
I can take it.
That's why you all made a tea party for yourselves. That way you can all be ignorant morons together.
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FriarsTale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:05:10am |
re: #292 Jadespring
Oh geez it's not like you haven't been playing the personal attack line as well.
where?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:05:32am |
re: #288 FriarsTale
Well if you aren't going to talk science, then what's the point? You clearly don't know enough to engage a competent grade schooler in science, so that does rather focus the conversation on your lack of intellect.
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:05:33am |
Morning Lizards. My new monitor showed up yesterday. Got it hooked up this morning and am now running in the dual monitor mode. Going to take some getting used to.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:05:33am |
Damn. Go away, make breakfast and more pie dough, do some chores and come back to a full on denier and teensy weensy flouncer.
But really, can someone tell me how long is a piece of string?
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:06:04am |
re: #284 DaddyG
Credits aren't necessarily a great solution, depending on how they're managed. Just as he's said he was wrong to support corn biodeisel as VP, he's not immune to mistakes.
What is insane, though, is saying that he is using the topic for personal and political gain. He has nothing to gain politically. His level of personal financial gain mostly comes from investment in companies that benefit from carbon credits but are actually green energy companies.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
Last year Mr Gore's venture capital firm loaned a small California firm $75m to develop energy-saving technology.
The company, Silver Spring Networks, produces hardware and software to make the electricity grid more efficient.
He invested in a company that really, really does provide a solution.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:06:09am |
re: #289 Obdicut
Fair enough. Our basic disagreement comes down to how much of his advocacy is driven by personal gain and how much is driven by altruism. Even if he is purely altruistic his actions have left room for doubt. I have the same criticism of my Republican Governor (who I work for) so it is not a partisan thing with me.
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darthstar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:06:15am |
re: #245 LudwigVanQuixote
Ah...well, he has earned his smackdown.re: #286 lawhawk
Apparently Dancing with the Stars was more important. Nobody puts Baby in the corner. /
Visiting my folks this week..."got" to watch the big finale last night...Bristol finished last, where she belonged if you went solely on dance skills.
Learned a couple of things too:
1. I don't miss these shows when I don't watch them.
2. Watching the Finale is all you need to do to get the whole series summed up in two hours - they even played the scene where Sarah Palin maybe wasn't really getting booed.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:06:44am |
re: #282 lawhawk
There isn't much else the US can do. Since the South isn't prepared for a war, the US isn't going to launch airstrikes on its own - that would bring reprisal attacks against South Korea directly. Sanctions are likely, even though they wont do much. Strongly worded UN letters are similarly useless and futile, but those are the options available to the US - and any US president in this situation (which has been the case since the partition of the Korean Peninsula).
A show of force with a carrier task force is about all the US can do militarily unless the South agrees to go to war or carry out attacks against the North in reprisal for the resumption of hostilities.
Any reports on whether the NK's ceased fire at will or were hammered down by the counter battery fire? SK has some really good tracking/targeting arty. If the unit got hammered it may provide more pause than a planned attack that resulted in only minor damage from the counter fire.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:06:45am |
re: #294 FriarsTale
ban
all
dissent
No, you are nothing that noble at all. You are a troll who came here to stir up crap. You said a bunch of false and stupid talking points that were shot down.
Now you have butthurt.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:06:52am |
re: #294 FriarsTale
ban
all
dissent
No.
Ban all idiotic dissent.
I dissent on topics of abortion, I dissented from the majority of the group on the efficacy of the drilling moratorium, and I'm still here. I stated my reasons; some agree, some don't, it's how it is. I didn't (and don't) whine and cry. If I don't understand something enough to add intelligent points, I keep my mouth shut and read and learn.
It's not dissent that's banned.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:07:08am |
re: #299 BadNewsModerate
That post looks like the result of an aneurysm.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:07:45am |
re: #299 BadNewsModerate
Could there be any more doubt this is one from the swamp?
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Kronocide Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:08:38am |
re: #284 DaddyG
That's part of my problem. He was trading credits not necessarily producing a product or service that would do something real about emmissions.
(I'm open to correction here if I have swallowed a lie about the credits)
It sounds more like Enron than FirstSolar.
As I recall he dabbles in lots of green things, which is what most wealthy people do. I as well am open to correction but his mega mansion in Tenn (that he was incessantly hammered on) had extensive green technology added to it, and he invested in some of those technologies.
He may trade in the carbon credit market, but I don't think that's a big deal. He should get capitalist credit for that!
Besides, it's hypocritical for Gore to get hammered on this by the Usual Suspects because the denial industry is doing the same exact thing by denying AGW because it's in their financial best interest. As long as Gore is upfront about his investments and financial interests he can turn this around and bludgeon his critics with the fact that he's putting his $ where his mouth is (just like they are).
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:08:42am |
re: #294 FriarsTale
ban
all
dissent
Seems to me that you are perfectly capable of dissenting here. (See my discussion with Obdicut - with whom I have lost no respect although we can piss each other off from time to time).
But what you are doing is childish baiting. I'd ask you to move along but you are obviously going to stick around for the banning so you can brag about it later.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:08:58am |
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:09:29am |
re: #297 Bubblehead II
Morning Lizards. My new monitor showed up yesterday. Got it hooked up this morning and am now running in the dual monitor mode. Going to take some getting used to.
You can always implant a web-cam in each of your temples to widen your viewing angle. It would be easier to deal with multiple monitors this way :) Which monitor did you get anyway (I'm a big fan of Samsung's 2ms series myself)?
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:09:35am |
re: #300 Obdicut
Credits aren't necessarily a great solution, depending on how they're managed. Just as he's said he was wrong to support corn biodeisel as VP, he's not immune to mistakes.
What is insane, though, is saying that he is using the topic for personal and political gain. He has nothing to gain politically. His level of personal financial gain mostly comes from investment in companies that benefit from carbon credits but are actually green energy companies.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
He invested in a company that really, really does provide a solution.
Thank you. I was somewhat misinformed. That clarifies things.
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darthstar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:09:44am |
re: #299 BadNewsModerate
You should cite your sources - plagiarizing is wrong, even when you plagiarize other trolls.
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:11:02am |
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:11:12am |
re: #312 DaddyG
No problem. There's an enormous amount of time and money spent convincing people of untruths, half-truths, and distortions on the subject. Apologies for getting so frustrated by it.
I want to have a kid. I don't want to leave him or her a ruined world.
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FriarsTale Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:12:11am |
re: #309 DaddyG
I was resonding to this:
Somebody put us out of their misery, please.
by nothing at all
what do you suppose was meant by this?
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:12:19am |
re: #299 BadNewsModerate
Linking to that site? Ballsy I'll give you that.
I have a link for you. Just the site name matters. But hey see what you think of the content. [Link: www.moveon.org...]
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:12:41am |
re: #316 BigPapa
Smells like a boys locker room in here right now.
---walks around and sprays some Ylang Ylang shower spray----
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:14:28am |
re: #315 Obdicut
No problem. There's an enormous amount of time and money spent convincing people of untruths, half-truths, and distortions on the subject. Apologies for getting so frustrated by it.
I want to have a kid. I don't want to leave him or her a ruined world.
You need not apologize for your passion. Thanks for an educational discussion. Perhaps we should run for the Senate and remind the big boys and girls how it can be done? ;-)
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:15:15am |
re: #317 FriarsTale
I was resonding to this:
by nothing at all
what do you suppose was meant by this?
Ask me, since I am the "nothing at all" who said it.
I mean you are not dissenting, you are baiting.
And you seem to be miserable.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:15:35am |
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:15:48am |
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:17:29am |
re: #303 Rightwingconspirator
I haven't seen anything to indicate that the South pasted the North Korean battery or that there were North Korean casualties. It is possible that the battery that opened fire ran out of ammo and that resulted in the end of the fighting or they were told from higher up to stop firing. It's just not clear why they stopped - maybe they got word that the South was preparing to launch its ground attack aircraft across the peninsula and the North backed down. That latter bit may be the more likely reason the North's artillery fire stopped.
The North wanted to send a message without getting itself pinned down in a wider conflict. Do just enough damage to send a message and threat, but not so much so as to bring about an actual military reprisal across the entire length of the DMZ.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:17:36am |
re: #299 BadNewsModerate
And how exactly can Jewish not be Torah Observant? Not that a proud one wouldn’t, especially not one who is preaching core Jewish values…
Very easily, and on daily basis, when was the last time you saw a Jew perform an animal sacrifice as required by the Torah? That's just a blatantly obvious example, there are many more. So spare us your rants...
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:18:17am |
re: #321 reine.de.tout
I wonder what's got them so riled up?
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Kronocide Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:18:21am |
I'd really like to see a full TSA exam listing of all of Gore's investments in green technologies and markets. Harder to find than Soros' financial contributions but I'd love to see it.
I suspect it's more damaging to just infer and make innuendo that to see actual facts, which may paint a different story.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:18:35am |
re: #317 FriarsTale
I was resonding to this:
by nothing at allwhat do you suppose was meant by this?
That you were wasting bandwidth with a peeing contest and it was about time you were unplugged. Dissent for dissent's sake is childish. I take Lizards to task for broad brush stereotypes of conservatism all the time. I disagree on what should be done about global warming. So far no one has threatened to ban me or delete my posts.
Now stop being such a pathetic victim or I will truly believe you are here to get banned on purpose so you can brag about being the latest victim of the ebil lizzurd king!
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:19:10am |
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:19:54am |
re: #323 Bubblehead II
Once you get 2 screens you'll never go back to a single screen system. It's absolutely awesome for doing any kind of multitasking, but image editing and document processing in particular. Or, you can watch movies on one screen and do work on the other.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:20:14am |
re: #325 yasharki
When was the last time you saw a Jew perform an animal sacrifice as required by the Torah?
The closest I came was watching my Mormon Boy Scout troop try to cook dinner on a campout. Not pretty. /
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:21:36am |
re: #326 Obdicut
We were poking at them in the Shrieking Harpy thread last night.
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:21:48am |
re: #332 DaddyG
The closest I came was watching my Mormon Boy Scout troop try to cook dinner on a campout. Not pretty. /
F Troop?
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:21:49am |
re: #330 Floral Giraffe
Those dudes keep sending their dogs to crap on the lawn. I'm sure the pooper scooper will be in action before long.
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:22:09am |
re: #331 lawhawk
Once you get 2 screens you'll never go back to a single screen system. It's absolutely awesome for doing any kind of multitasking, but image editing and document processing in particular. Or, you can watch movies on one screen and do work on the other.
On some days two screens would be so handy. I do a lot of research and it's a pain in the ass at times to juggle the info with the writing. I'd love to have one screen for info and one for writing.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:22:41am |
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:22:42am |
re: #299 BadNewsModerate
Yer an idiot. Please don't let the door hit you on the way out. The skid marks are hard to clean off.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:23:24am |
So in case any of you are wondering about that post, I encountered a searing essay written by a very Frum Jew about how all Jews if they believe in G-d need to vote for the GOP. His essay was full of references to the Ludwig van Mises Institute, and certain rabbiam that make Meir Kahane look like Jane Fonda. As far as I am concerned this was utter chillul Hashem. That means a desecration of G-d.
It is tragic that amongst the ultra black hats there is a subset that thinks this way - contrary to all Jewish law. Then Again there are plenty of other ohh so holy people from other religions who are a bit of an embarrassment. These ones are ours.
I took great offence at this and posted my essay about why Jews vote Republican (and most of us don't) at that site. I responded to challenges in an utterly polite manner. These are Yeshiva kids - and a few of their rabbaim.
The immediate response of such people when you point out Torah verses that prove they are being hypocritical (to put it nicely) is to claim that their interlocutor is not Jewish and avoid any of the subsequent points. It turns out that many of the posters there are Yeshiva students who really didn't know as much Torah as they thought. Unfortunately, this is a very, very right wing place and my answers to their challenges were all deleted.
Now I could bore you with why the rant of this poor person is so deluded. He is trying to shift a basic principle of Jewish law into a more obscure discussion. But the fact that they are dismissing Avot and the Rambam should tell you something. The fact that they are doing so by snarking over which choice of many accepted transliterations are used from a language that does not use English letters should tell you something else.
This discussion happened a little while ago. The stalkers found the original post and the incensed ravings of the original GOP poster and his friends, but none of my responses because they were deleted. That is one area where other views are particularly not tolerated. Unfortunately, these other views were straight from Torah. Anyway the stalkers have been crowing about this for the past few days because they think I will be insulted by being reminded that certain religious fanatics are hypocrites.
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:23:42am |
re: #333 Floral Giraffe
Is that all it takes? I don't really understand the whole obsession with another blog and the commentators therin thingy.
As I've said before, I stopped posting at Fark when it got really tiresomely overtrolled. I've never felt the need to stalk the owner or harass other posters there.
I mean, why would I? It's pathetic.
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:24:10am |
re: #331 lawhawk
I may have to get another wide screen when the budget can afford it. The difference between the LCD and CRT are greatly noticeable. It has taken me only an hour or so to get spoiled. :-)
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:24:20am |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:24:53am |
Just for some fun as the nation starts to feel winters chill...
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:25:41am |
re: #336 Jadespring
Right now I am using the wide screen for LGF and the 17" for browsing news sites.
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Gus Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:25:43am |
re: #329 BadNewsModerate
With advances in modern medicine you are now able to do something about your psychosis and obsessions by way of modern pharmaceuticals. You may also be able to find a local psychologist that can help you through this trying time in your life and in a few years, who knows, you may even attain a level of normalcy.
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:26:56am |
re: #339 LudwigVanQuixote
So in case any of you are wondering about that post, I encountered a searing essay written by a very Frum Jew about how all Jews if they believe in G-d need to vote for the GOP. His essay was full of references to the Ludwig van Mises Institute, and certain rabbiam that make Meir Kahane look like Jane Fonda. As far as I am concerned this was utter chillul Hashem. That means a desecration of G-d.
It is tragic that amongst the ultra black hats there is a subset that thinks this way - contrary to all Jewish law. Then Again there are plenty of other ohh so holy people from other religions who are a bit of an embarrassment. These ones are ours.
I took great offence at this and posted my essay about why Jews vote Republican (and most of us don't) at that site. I responded to challenges in an utterly polite manner. These are Yeshiva kids - and a few of their rabbaim.
The immediate response of such people when you point out Torah verses that prove they are being hypocritical (to put it nicely) is to claim that their interlocutor is not Jewish and avoid any of the subsequent points. It turns out that many of the posters there are Yeshiva students who really didn't know as much Torah as they thought. Unfortunately, this is a very, very right wing place and my answers to their challenges were all deleted.
Now I could bore you with why the rant of this poor person is so deluded. He is trying to shift a basic principle of Jewish law into a more obscure discussion. But the fact that they are dismissing Avot and the Rambam should tell you something. The fact that they are doing so by snarking over which choice of many accepted transliterations are used from a language that does not use English letters should tell you something else.
This discussion happened a little while ago. The stalkers found the original post and the incensed ravings of the original GOP poster and his friends, but none of my responses because they were deleted. That is one area where other views are particularly not tolerated. Unfortunately, these other views were straight from Torah. Anyway the stalkers have been crowing about this for the past few days because they think I will be insulted by being reminded that certain religious fanatics are hypocrites.
Religious observance is not a measure of intelligence.
If it were, Arab regimes which claim to be 'Islamic' would not be among the most backward and failed states in the world.
And that is not an opinion- the UN Report on Human Development noted education in the Arab world is at the bottom of the barrel, save for sub Saharan Africa.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:27:33am |
re: #341 Bubblehead II
Well, there are some good BF deals on monitors, or you can wait until after Christmas and pick up a good deal on a clearance. Check with bfads.net or similar sites like hotdealsclub.com to find the good ones.
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Jadespring Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:28:44am |
Yeesh, it's not even noon and I think I might have to go for a nap.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:30:21am |
re: #340 Obdicut
Pathetic is the right term.
They obsessively read every word posted here.
And, many of them have been banned for YEARS.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:30:36am |
re: #331 lawhawk
Once you get 2 screens you'll never go back to a single screen system. It's absolutely awesome for doing any kind of multitasking, but image editing and document processing in particular. Or, you can watch movies on one screen and do work on the other.
You should see setups wall street traders have, 3 monitors minimum, some have twice as many. Having different monitors paired is very annoying tho, so I wouldn't bet that someone using 22" flat panel paired with a 17" crt isn't going to go back (or forward in this case) to a single monitor setup.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:30:49am |
re: #348 researchok
Religious observance is not a measure of intelligence.
I would add that political affiliation is not a sign of reverence or righteousness. I find myself gently reminding my fellow Mormons that most Social Conservatives would not think twice about condemning our lot to hell despite similar opinions on select political and social issues.
In fact a monolithic political view among any religion (including my own) would worry me greatly.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:33:01am |
I don't know why Charles doesn't actually leave the troll dropping up to be self evident. Of course its not my sandbox.
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:33:15am |
re: #354 DaddyG
I would add that political affiliation is not a sign of reverence or righteousness. I find myself gently reminding my fellow Mormons that most Social Conservatives would not think twice about condemning our lot to hell despite similar opinions on select political and social issues.
In fact a monolithic political view among any religion (including my own) would worry me greatly.
Yes- diversity (of any kind) in a species indicates a healthy species.
Outliers are your friends, too.
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Gus Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:35:54am |
re: #358 JasonA
tl;dr
More like too incoherent did not read. Just another psycho drunkard from Blogmocracy.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:36:08am |
re: #348 researchok
To be honest with you what happened was exactly what I expected would happen. These people live in very insular communities and vote for who their rav tells them to vote for.
One of them challenged me to back up a point with something that showed more learning like quoting the Rif. The Rif, Rabbi Yitzchak Al-fasi , is another famous rabbi, one of the Rishonim who slightly predates Rambam.
In fact, if you want the Rif, but don't like the Rambam, that also tells you something about these people. In fact it tells you a lot if you know Jewish philosophy.
He was not at all pleased when the Rif said what I was saying in very harsh tones - in fact, vastly more harsh tones.
But that really doesn't matter. You might ask why I bothered in the first place knowing that it was likely what I said would be deleted. Well these are students. Some of them deserve to get a chance to think outside of a rigidly enforced bubble. Some of them did too. They were also deleted.
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:36:58am |
re: #353 yasharki
You got that right. I will definitely be putting $50.00 back each paycheck until I get enough saved up to buy a second one as well as a new video card with two DVI outputs and 1 Gig of memory.
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:37:01am |
re: #351 Floral Giraffe
Pathetic is the right term.
They obsessively read every word posted here.
And, many of them have been banned for YEARS.
Best therapy?
Cotton bathrobes, slippers and a nice. slow stroll in a counterclockwise rotation, to elevator music.
Stop tapping your toes.
/
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:38:36am |
re: #362 researchok
Best therapy?
Cotton bathrobes, slippers and a nice. slow stroll in a counterclockwise rotation, to elevator music.
Stop tapping your toes.
/
But... the Girl from Impanema is such a catchy tune!
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:39:53am |
re: #360 LudwigVanQuixote
To be honest with you what happened was exactly what I expected would happen. These people live in very insular communities and vote for who their rav tells them to vote for.
One of them challenged me to back up a point with something that showed more learning like quoting the Rif. The Rif, Rabbi Yitzchak Al-fasi , is another famous rabbi, one of the Rishonim who slightly predates Rambam.
In fact, if you want the Rif, but don't like the Rambam, that also tells you something about these people. In fact it tells you a lot if you know Jewish philosophy.
He was not at all pleased when the Rif said what I was saying in very harsh tones - in fact, vastly more harsh tones.
But that really doesn't matter. You might ask why I bothered in the first place knowing that it was likely what I said would be deleted. Well these are students. Some of them deserve to get a chance to think outside of a rigidly enforced bubble. Some of them did too. They were also deleted.
I claim no expertise on Jewish religious authorities, save for they are not infallible.
I do know that A Rabbi E Wasserman, a legitimate and renowned scholar advised his followers not to leave Europe for America, just prior to WWII, instead telling them to have faith.
Further comment is unnecessary.
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:40:42am |
re: #363 DaddyG
But... the Girl from Impanema is such a catchy tune!
I had you pegged as a Lawrence Welk kind of guy...
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:41:36am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:41:44am |
re: #364 researchok
I claim no expertise on Jewish religious authorities, save for they are not infallible.
I do know that A Rabbi E Wasserman, a legitimate and renowned scholar advised his followers not to leave Europe for America, just prior to WWII, instead telling them to have faith.
Further comment is unnecessary.
Well that is sort of the point. No Jew claims that all rabbaim are infallible. Unfortunately, some Jews claim that their rav is.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:42:57am |
re: #367 LudwigVanQuixote
Well that is sort of the point. No Jew claims that all rabbaim are infallible. Unfortunately, some Jews claim that their rav is.
Hahahahahahahahahaha! Another commonality between Judaism and Mormonism. Well put.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:43:06am |
re: #360 LudwigVanQuixote
Sent you a mail.
Later, Lizards!
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:43:37am |
Crap. NZ has declared a 29 miners dead.
"There was another massive explosion underground, and based on that explosion, no one survived," Gary Knowles, superintendent of Tasman Police Command, told reporters. "We're now going to recovery mode.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:44:01am |
re: #368 DaddyG
Hahahahahahahahahaha! Another commonality between Judaism and Mormonism. Well put.
And Catholicism and Islam and every other major religion.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:44:58am |
In all seriousness Ludwig- I find some of the social constructs in two religious traditions started millenia apart can be so similar. I'm not so much interested in comparative doctrine as I am comparative religious societies. It fascinates me.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:45:21am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:45:37am |
re: #373 DaddyG
In all seriousness Ludwig- I find some of the social constructs in two religious traditions started millenia apart can be so similar. I'm not so much interested in comparative doctrine as I am comparative religious societies. It fascinates me.
I agree. It is a fascinating issue.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:46:04am |
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:46:16am |
re: #367 LudwigVanQuixote
Well that is sort of the point. No Jew claims that all rabbaim are infallible. Unfortunately, some Jews claim that their rav is.
Yes.
My point is that religious observance, or following as religious leader has nothing to with how you are supposed to live your life.
Religious instruction is meant to provide you with the tools to make moral decisions that affect your life- no more, no less. You are supposed to make those choices for yourself.
Religious leaders are not meant to speak for God- He can speak for Himself.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:47:07am |
re: #361 Bubblehead II
You got that right. I will definitely be putting $50.00 back each paycheck until I get enough saved up to buy a second one as well as a new video card with two DVI outputs and 1 Gig of memory.
If you're going for a 1GB video card (I'm assuming NVidia), you might as well hold back a couple more paychecks and get your second monitor with 120Hz refresh. This way you can get NVidia's 3DVision setup.
It's all the hype this year, but I'm guessing there will be cheaper solutions soon since there are many other ways to fool our eyes into "seeing 3d", so don't listen to me :)
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:47:48am |
FYI - Amazon's Lightning deals are on - and some of the deals are better than you'd find on Friday. LOTR DVDs are like $2 each, and the deals are rotating hourly.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:49:54am |
re: #380 lawhawk
LOTR DVDs are like $2 each, and the deals are rotating hourly.
Ralph Bakshi or Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:51:51am |
re: #377 researchok
Yes.
My point is that religious observance, or following as religious leader has nothing to with how you are supposed to live your life.
Religious instruction is meant to provide you with the tools to make moral decisions that affect your life- no more, no less. You are supposed to make those choices for yourself.
Religious leaders are not meant to speak for God- He can speak for Himself.
Well there is a lot to know from the commentaries. Interpretation and the need to get the contexts and the relevant laws that apply to any verse are frequently very valid concerns. Specifically, you really can't discount the oral tradition and expect to get it correct.
However, your point about hubris is well taken and a constant theme of my own whenever I point out the hypocrisy of certain religious people on the right.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:52:21am |
re: #381 DaddyG
Ralph Bakshi or Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings?
The latter. However clicking on these offerings brings you to a product page where price is 5$+.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:52:53am |
re: #381 DaddyG
Ralph Bakshi or Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings?
Wouldn't $2 be a price increase for the Bakshi?
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Mocking Jay Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:52:58am |
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:53:36am |
re: #383 yasharki
You click on the link for lightning deal, and the page brings up the reduced price. Or you can click to add to the cart, and it comes up with the reduced price.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:54:16am |
re: #385 wlewisiii
Wouldn't $2 be a price increase for the Bakshi?
Yup. You can get it free on YouTube:
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:54:27am |
re: #373 DaddyG
In all seriousness Ludwig- I find some of the social constructs in two religious traditions started millenia apart can be so similar. I'm not so much interested in comparative doctrine as I am comparative religious societies. It fascinates me.
There are cultural, societal, political and religious overlaps.
There's a book waiting to be written.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:55:47am |
re: #389 researchok
There are cultural, societal, political and religious overlaps.
There's a book waiting to be written.
People get martyred over stuff like that. /
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Digital Display Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:57:34am |
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:58:02am |
re: #382 LudwigVanQuixote
Well there is a lot to know from the commentaries. Interpretation and the need to get the contexts and the relevant laws that apply to any verse are frequently very valid concerns. Specifically, you really can't discount the oral tradition and expect to get it correct.
However, your point about hubris is well taken and a constant theme of my own whenever I point out the hypocrisy of certain religious people on the right.
I is also quite fascinating to realize that many great Jewish leaders were actually 'progressives of a sort,' (if you make me regret noting that....!), e.g., Joseph, Joshua, David, Solomon, Ezra and so on.
Balance, I think is key.
There's another great study- the political and social inclinations of religious figures.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:58:15am |
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:00:27am |
Somebody say something about Global Warming or Atheism. The conversation has slowed considerably.
(Its a very slow day here at work - as if you coudln't tell by my prolific nonsense.)
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Mocking Jay Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:01:29am |
re: #392 researchok
I is also quite fascinating to realize that many great Jewish leaders were actually 'progressives of a sort,' (if you make me regret noting that...!), e.g., Joseph, Joshua, David, Solomon, Ezra and so on.
Balance, I think is key.
There's another great study- the political and social inclinations of religious figures.
I have it on good authority that Jesus was a staunch proponent of the trickle-down theory.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:01:33am |
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:01:58am |
re: #395 JasonA
I have it on good authority that Jesus was a staunch proponent of the trickle-down theory.
Line of the day.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:02:06am |
re: #395 JasonA
I have it on good authority that Jesus was a staunch proponent of the trickle-down theory.
No no no! He was for immersion! /
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:03:14am |
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:04:53am |
re: #394 DaddyG
Somebody say something about Global Warming or Atheism. The conversation has slowed considerably.
(Its a very slow day here at work - as if you coudln't tell by my prolific nonsense.)
I have it good authority the core of the earth is molten rock.
Therefore, we are living on what is essentially radiant flooring.
If elected, I will put earth powered towel warmers in every home.
/
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Mocking Jay Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:06:13am |
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:06:51am |
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:07:15am |
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:08:07am |
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:08:43am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:08:50am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:09:47am |
re: #392 researchok
I is also quite fascinating to realize that many great Jewish leaders were actually 'progressives of a sort,' (if you make me regret noting that...!), e.g., Joseph, Joshua, David, Solomon, Ezra and so on.
Balance, I think is key.
There's another great study- the political and social inclinations of religious figures.
The Jewish leaders who make the books are all incredibly progressive in every age.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:09:54am |
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:09:57am |
With Jason's Permission:
WWJD = What Would Jesus Deregulate
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Digital Display Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:10:30am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:10:47am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:10:59am |
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Mocking Jay Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:11:07am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:11:39am |
re: #408 Killgore Trout
TSAstroturf: The Washington Lobbyists and Koch-Funded Libertarians Behind the TSA Scandal
Excellent find. I am starting to think that the Koch brothers are the truest of pure evil types.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:12:06am |
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:12:49am |
re: #407 LudwigVanQuixote
The Jewish leaders who make the books are all incredibly progressive in every age.
I can think of a few more conservative ones.
Samuel, Saul, certainly Jeremiah, Joab, etc.
I would say that in one way or another, the Jewish leaders who were more progressive had the most impact- at least as I understand the Bible.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:12:54am |
re: #4 yasharki
If they're so against abortion, why don't they pick up the tab for carrying, birthing, and growing a child which some mother wanted to abort? Shouldn't they be building clinics, nurseries, schools, and providing fired-4-maternity-leave moms with jobs instead of killing doctors? They're also supposed to be god fearing christians, where's the logic?!?
They're equally opposed to abortion and to, God forbid, anyone else having to pick up part of the tab for taking care of someone else's child.
How they square this with Christianity is a long and weird story.
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:14:05am |
re: #410 HoosierHoops
The Roman Empire
Agreed- in fact anything to do with any kind of rendering would be privatized.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:14:08am |
Jesus cleansing the temple? Biblical version of "audit the Fed."
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:14:28am |
re: #414 LudwigVanQuixote
Excellent find. I am starting to think that the Koch brothers are the truest of pure evil types.
They have their fingers in this pie but I think it's a stretch to claim they orchestrated it. Paulian activists are pretty crazy on their own and the alliance between Drudge and Alex Jones was a hit by chance.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:15:16am |
re: #419 JasonA
Jesus cleansing the temple? Biblical version of "audit the Fed."
There is a stronger parallel to enforcing consumer protection laws.
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researchok Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:15:34am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:16:13am |
re: #419 JasonA
Jesus cleansing the temple? Biblical version of "audit the Fed."
That an interesting thought. JC has pissed about the unregulated currency exchange as I recall. I doubt he would dig Austrian economics.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:16:55am |
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Mocking Jay Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:17:11am |
re: #422 researchok
That was good!
It was, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's been used before. And not sarcastically...
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:17:25am |
re: #423 Killgore Trout
Yes, but pulling money from the mouth of a fish is purely inflationary. /
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:17:58am |
re: #425 JasonA
It was, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's been used before. And not sarcastically...
Serious people scare me.
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deranged cat Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:18:14am |
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:19:15am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:19:47am |
9-11 truthers to protest....
No major airport delays, yet; Tampa protester cites 'tyranny'
The group, We Are Change Tampa, was scheduled to show up at the airport just after noon, said organizer John Junstrom, who said about a half-dozen demonstrators will be inside the terminal and on the arrival curbs.
....
"The American people need to do something about this tyranny," Junstrom said. "The war on terror is a war on the American people. We want to warn people of the danger of these things and try to alert them that our freedoms and liberties are being incrementally, slowly taken away."
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Digital Display Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:20:08am |
re: #426 Daddy
Yes, but pulling money from the mouth of a fish is purely inflationary. /
Feeding 5000 with 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish is the modern day equivalent of free cheese from the Government
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:20:50am |
re: #428 deranged cat
And this woman thinks she has what it takes to be President?
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Mocking Jay Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:22:44am |
re: #432 HoosierHoops
Those people should have put a stop to Messiahcare.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:23:27am |
re: #433 Bubblehead II
And this woman thinks she has what it takes to be President?
Leave Sarah alone! Image: Copy%20of%20leave-sarah-alone.jpg
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:23:50am |
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:28:05am |
re: #399 Obdicut
If you haven't watched this, it's amazing:
[Video]The poetry of science.
Isn't Dawkins a "AGW (and science at large) is an evil plot to take over the world" conspiracy theorist?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:28:29am |
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:30:24am |
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sliv_the_eli Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:32:44am |
re: #432 HoosierHoops
Feeding 5000 with 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish is the modern day equivalent of free cheese from the Government
Except that government would feed 2 with 5 loaves of bread and 5000 pounds of cheese.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:33:12am |
re: #438 LudwigVanQuixote
Everyone recommend deranged cat's post! That needs to be a thread of its own!
Nah, just a slip of the tongue. About as bad as the 57 states remark.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:33:41am |
re: #428 deranged cat
"You made yourself look bad! You made this company look bad! You made our friends, the North Koreans, look bad!"
With anyone else, I'd assume it was a slip of the tongue. With Sarah I am not sure.
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Digital Display Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:33:43am |
re: #438 LudwigVanQuixote
I saw a great show on the science channel studying life forms deep within the Earth..It posits that life actually started below the Earth in the pressures and heat and rose to the surface instead of the other way around..Very interesting
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:34:15am |
re: #429 DaddyG
Somewhere Dan Quail is thanking God for Sarah.
Most of Quayle's weird things, or the Bushisms, made sense. You got what he was driving at. It just came out weird.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:34:30am |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:34:53am |
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Gus Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:36:05am |
re: #431 Killgore Trout
9-11 truthers to protest...
No major airport delays, yet; Tampa protester cites 'tyranny'
You think he's a trurher/Paulian?
Hi, John Junstrom, Assistant Organizer for We ARe Change Tampa. I am gonna go ahead and put this on the Meetup Schedule board as a meetup to get our people out!! I have an Alex Snitker T shirt also and a 35 watt megahorn!
And...
[Link: www.meetup.com...]
To be more active with other likeminded get the message out of the danger our country is in. (I presently pass out the Obama Deception DVDs and Vaccine Warning Bulletins)
...Resistance to Tyranny!
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:36:32am |
re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist
Most of Quayle's weird things, or the Bushisms, made sense. You got what he was driving at. It just came out weird.
You are right. You can find all sorts of interesting statements from people who have a microphone stuck in their faces 24x7.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:36:39am |
re: #445 Killgore Trout
heh.
Well I made a page about it! Think about the depths of ignorance that went into that gaffe if you listen to the clip and how she rambles, it is pretty clear that she had her talking point, went of script and her little brain farted.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:37:16am |
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:37:57am |
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Kragar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:38:05am |
re: #443 HoosierHoops
I saw a great show on the science channel studying life forms deep within the Earth..It posits that life actually started below the Earth in the pressures and heat and rose to the surface instead of the other way around..Very interesting
So we are all the spawn of Ubbo-Sathla then.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:38:18am |
re: #412 Killgore Trout
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:40:34am |
Here's the webpage of the TSA Speedo protester that's making the rounds this morning...
TSA Speedo Protester
Ron Paul!
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:40:39am |
HA!
Bristol wanted to win DWTS not because she was a good dancer but to basically flip off all the people who hate her and her mom
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Gus Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:41:35am |
re: #448 Gus 802
You think he's a trurher/Paulian?
And...
[Link: www.meetup.com...]
They're even AGW deniers.
The convergence is complete.
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Digital Display Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:41:50am |
re: #455 DaddyG
Dude! Don't grope my teabag!
There probably wouldn't be any guys bitching about pat downs if a woman was doing the deed...
/excuse me! you missed a spot
LOL
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:42:40am |
re: #457 Killgore Trout
Here's the webpage of the TSA Speedo protester that's making the rounds this morning...
TSA Speedo Protester
Ron Paul!
Also this new wingnut hero is not a supporter of Israel....
Palestine is Still the Issue
When a situation is as serious as that of the current Israeli assault on Gaza, it is only proper to demand an accurate explanation as to why it is occurring. Western media is skewed and Western governments defend Israel's actions perhaps merely issuing a hollow plea for care to be taken for civilian life.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:42:59am |
re: #443 HoosierHoops
I saw a great show on the science channel studying life forms deep within the Earth..It posits that life actually started below the Earth in the pressures and heat and rose to the surface instead of the other way around..Very interesting
It's hard to buy primordial-soup theory since it cannot be replicated or even modeled. Microbial life carrying meteorite impact idea sounds better imho.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:45:16am |
re: #462 yasharki
It's hard to buy primordial-soup theory since it cannot be replicated or even modeled. Microbial life carrying meteorite impact idea sounds better imho.
But then where did the life on the meteorite come from?
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Gus Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:45:21am |
re: #461 Killgore Trout
Also this new wingnut hero is not a supporter of Israel...
Palestine is Still the Issue
Good find. The Tea Party and the GOP are making allies with their "natural enemies".
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:45:56am |
re: #460 HoosierHoops
There probably wouldn't be any guys bitching about pat downs if a woman was doing the deed...
/excuse me! you missed a spot
LOL
I came through Colorado Springs a few months after 9/11 and got a pat down from a quite professional and handsome young guard. When he had finished the woman behind me said quite loud: "Oh Goodie! My Turn!"
He blushed furiously.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:46:04am |
re: #462 yasharki
It's hard to buy primordial-soup theory since it cannot be replicated or even modeled. Microbial life carrying meteorite impact idea sounds better imho.
At which point you need to wonder how it got on the meteorite. In the end you have the same question. By what process did the first replicators arise.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:46:46am |
re: #462 yasharki
It's hard to buy primordial-soup theory since it cannot be replicated or even modeled. Microbial life carrying meteorite impact idea sounds better imho.
Write Panspermia it sounds cooler that way.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:47:12am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:47:32am |
re: #460 HoosierHoops
There probably wouldn't be any guys bitching about pat downs if a woman was doing the deed...
/excuse me! you missed a spot
LOL
Dude, that TSA job has got to suck also. Think about the fact that something like 1 in 100 will get a boner. On a busy day, that's like 5 or 6 approvals of their job a day!
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Digital Display Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:47:48am |
re: #463 JasonA
But then where did the life on the meteorite come from?
I wish I'd recorded that show..Studying heat and pressure under the crust and how simple molecules move up to the surface...Dang it
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Kragar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:47:52am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:48:04am |
re: #461 Killgore Trout
Also this new wingnut hero is not a supporter of Israel...
Palestine is Still the Issue
Paul's hatred of Israel can not be overstated.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:50:04am |
re: #471 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
But where did God get it?
Google it yourself. Do I have to do all your work for you? /
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Kragar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:50:48am |
re: #473 DaddyG
Google it yourself. Do I have to do all your work for you? /
Could you please? Thanks, you're a peach.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:51:03am |
re: #467 DaddyG
Write Panspermia it sounds cooler that way.
Only until we start talking about Uranus...
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:51:21am |
re: #463 JasonA
But then where did the life on the meteorite come from?
I was expecting a "How did this meteorite travel between star systems or possibly galaxies" question. But I'll answer both: I've no idea. All I know is modern science is unable to come up with an explanation of how dna can be constructed from basic elements present on earth by application of heat, pressure, shaking, stirring, and million years.
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Kragar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:52:01am |
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Gus Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:52:27am |
re: #461 Killgore Trout
Also this new wingnut hero is not a supporter of Israel...
Palestine is Still the Issue
Let's not forget their last hero, John "Don't Touch my Junk" Tyner:
But they attacked us first, on 9/11, you say. Why do you suppose that was? No, they don't hate our freedom. They hate our unqualified support of Israel and implicit backing of their treatment of their Palestinian neighbors. They hate the fact that we set up military bases around the world including on what they believe to be holy land. Look at it another way. Just yesterday, China announced plans to set up a military base in the Middle East. What do you think about the possibility of Chinese military bases on American soil? If you don't like the idea, then why do you think it's right for the U.S. to set up bases elsewhere?
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Digital Display Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:53:30am |
re: #476 yasharki
I was expecting a "How did this meteorite travel between star systems or possibly galaxies" question. But I'll answer both: I've no idea. All I know is modern science is unable to come up with an explanation of how dna can be constructed from basic elements present on earth by application of heat, pressure, shaking, stirring, and million years.
And yet..here we are..Thousands of Meteorites falling each day to earth and no sign of life on them...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:53:39am |
re: #443 HoosierHoops
I saw a great show on the science channel studying life forms deep within the Earth..It posits that life actually started below the Earth in the pressures and heat and rose to the surface instead of the other way around..Very interesting
I would love to know more about the problem of the first replicator. To me that is the question in biology. There is too much stuff to learn and only one life.
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Kragar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:53:48am |
re: #476 yasharki
I was expecting a "How did this meteorite travel between star systems or possibly galaxies" question. But I'll answer both: I've no idea. All I know is modern science is unable to come up with an explanation of how dna can be constructed from basic elements present on earth by application of heat, pressure, shaking, stirring, and million years.
100 years ago, Science couldn't explain a lot of things that we take for granted today.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:53:54am |
re: #428 deranged cat
Sheesh! What does it take for people to do some very basic research, a few minutes' worth would prevent this kind of gaffe. If might prevent, say, a nuclear war if the numbskull get elected to office.
I therefore present Shiplord Kirel's sound bite primer on Korea:
-Peninsula in northeast Asia
-Independent kingdom until 1908, taken over by Imperial Japan (you know, Pearl Harbor, Bataan Death March, etc. but much later).
-Split between US and Soviet (really bad commie) occupation forces after WW2, Americans in south, commies in north.
-Occupiers leave, ca. 1946, leave separate governments in north and south: Tin-horn Stalin Kim Il Sung (Jong Il's father) in north, western oriented Syngman Rhee in south. Rhee personally honest but ineffective, presides over incredible corruption.
-North Korea invades south in 1950, southern forces overwhelmed. UN and US intervene. North defeated, China (newly Red) intervenes to save Kim. Much unpleasantness, drawn-out negotiations.
Armistice 1953, war never formally ends.
-Intermittent tension and shooting incidents along Armistice line, right up to present day.
-South grows rich, North turns into giant Jonestown under Kim dynasty, people starve, but North gets nuke, extorts aid from south and western allies.
North and south both have huge military forces, 1 million+ in each army.
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Gus Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:54:50am |
re: #478 Gus 802
Let's not forget their last hero, John "Don't Touch my Junk" Tyner:
More from that link on Tea Party/Drudge Report/Alex Jones hero, John Tyner:
Still not convinced? After being attacked on 9/11, why did the U.S. invade Afghanistan? Ostensibly, it was to find and destroy Al-Qaeda, a group of maybe 300 people at the time, but instead it ousted the Taliban government; a government that the U.S. itself had propped up and to whom the U.S. was providing aid up until 9/11. The U.S. invaded a sovereign nation, without a declaration of war, and ousted its government. It did the same thing in Iraq two years later, all the while, killing innocent civilians and causing all sorts of collateral damage. It's gearing up to do it again in a number of places. Iran, Pakistan, and Yemen are all possibilities. Predator drone strikes are already having disastrous results in Pakistan.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:55:04am |
re: #468 DaddyG
God put it there.
You're all missing the point :) Best argument against my Panspermia theory is a question about how can meteorite travel between star systems, it destroys it completely imho.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:56:17am |
re: #481 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
100 years ago, Science couldn't explain a lot of things that we take for granted today.
True, that's why I'm still hopefull to live long enough to find out the answer somewhere outside the bible.
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Kragar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:57:12am |
re: #484 yasharki
You're all missing the point :) Best argument against my Panspermia theory is a question about how can meteorite travel between star systems, it destroys it completely imho.
So your argument is that meteors cannot travel the gulf between solar systems?
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Mocking Jay Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:58:43am |
re: #476 yasharki
I was expecting a "How did this meteorite travel between star systems or possibly galaxies" question. But I'll answer both: I've no idea. All I know is modern science is unable to come up with an explanation of how dna can be constructed from basic elements present on earth by application of heat, pressure, shaking, stirring, and million years.
We've been at this Origin of Life question, scientifically, for how long? Just a little more patience please. :)
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Romantic Heretic Wed, Nov 24, 2010 9:59:08am |
re: #428 deranged cat
Hey, both of them hate America as it currently is constituted. So it makes sense. /
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:00:00am |
re: #486 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So your argument is that meteors cannot travel the gulf between solar systems?
I don't see how they can, they'd have to escape their star's gravity which is impossible for a rock.
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Kragar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:00:19am |
re: #487 JasonA
We've been at this Origin of Life question, scientifically, for how long? Just a little more patience please. :)
So, what, another 30 minutes or so?
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:00:22am |
re: #484 yasharki
You're all missing the point :) Best argument against my Panspermia theory is a question about how can meteorite travel between star systems, it destroys it completely imho.
Well yeah, wussy bilogical life forms. Now magnetic crystalline life forms are something else altogether. (Pats Vulcan science academy bumper sticker). //
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Kragar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:02:50am |
re: #489 yasharki
I don't see how they can, they'd have to escape their star's gravity which is impossible for a rock.
Off the top of my head, I would think a nova or supernova would do the trick.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:03:45am |
re: #482 Shiplord Kirel
Sheesh! What does it take for people to do some very basic research, a few minutes' worth would prevent this kind of gaffe. If might prevent, say, a nuclear war if the numbskull get elected to office.
I therefore present Shiplord Kirel's sound bite primer on Korea:-Peninsula in northeast Asia
-Independent kingdom until 1908, taken over by Imperial Japan (you know, Pearl Harbor, Bataan Death March, etc. but much later).
-Split between US and Soviet (really bad commie) occupation forces after WW2, Americans in south, commies in north.
-Occupiers leave, ca. 1946, leave separate governments in north and south: Tin-horn Stalin Kim Il Sung (Jong Il's father) in north, western oriented Syngman Rhee in south. Rhee personally honest but ineffective, presides over incredible corruption.
-North Korea invades south in 1950, southern forces overwhelmed. UN and US intervene. North defeated, China (newly Red) intervenes to save Kim. Much unpleasantness, drawn-out negotiations.
Armistice 1953, war never formally ends.
-Intermittent tension and shooting incidents along Armistice line, right up to present day.
-South grows rich, North turns into giant Jonestown under Kim dynasty, people starve, but North gets nuke, extorts aid from south and western allies.
North and south both have huge military forces, 1 million+ in each army.
You forgot "Spins off movie and wildly successful situation comedy from 1970-1983".
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:05:16am |
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:05:36am |
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:06:23am |
re: #489 yasharki
Excuse me? Escape velocity could be achieved any number of ways - including collisions at high speeds at a sufficient distance from the sun. Objects could also be cast out into long irregular orbits and further disturbed out of those orbits by passing objects with sufficient gravity (other asteroids, planetoids, subplanets, etc.) that cause the objects to wander into interstellar space.
In our own solar system, Kupier belt objects are at a sufficiently distance so that collisions between those objects could push them out of the sun's grasp. We already know that objects can pick up speed by using gravity wells of other objects (NASA and JPL have repeatedly used some planets, including the Earth) to accelerate our satellites to cross the solar system faster than if they attempted to do so using propellant alone. Such objects could react similarly. Those that get too close might end up being captured in the gravity of those planets or they could be thrown clear.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:06:45am |
re: #493 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Off the top of my head, I would think a nova or supernova would do the trick.
A nova or supernova would not leave rocky remnants of it's orbiting planets behind, they'd be reduced down to initial gaseous forms, no?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:07:59am |
She seems nice....
Traveller Wears Bikini Through LAX Security
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:09:30am |
re: #498 yasharki
Actually, supernova would expel the exploding sun's gases throughout their near space - Planets closest would be obliterated (adding to interstellar dust), but those further away might be torn from their prior orbits and blown apart in chunks big enough to form new asteroids.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:10:11am |
Sarah strikes back against Barbara Bush, making the sides in the class war even more confusing...
[Link: politicalwire.com...]
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:10:14am |
re: #497 lawhawk
Excuse me? Escape velocity could be achieved any number of ways - including collisions at high speeds at a sufficient distance from the sun. Objects could also be cast out into long irregular orbits and further disturbed out of those orbits by passing objects with sufficient gravity (other asteroids, planetoids, subplanets, etc.) that cause the objects to wander into interstellar space.
In our own solar system, Kupier belt objects are at a sufficiently distance so that collisions between those objects could push them out of the sun's grasp. We already know that objects can pick up speed by using gravity wells of other objects (NASA and JPL have repeatedly used some planets, including the Earth) to accelerate our satellites to cross the solar system faster than if they attempted to do so using propellant alone. Such objects could react similarly. Those that get too close might end up being captured in the gravity of those planets or they could be thrown clear.
Then there's the Oort Cloud, which is nearly a lightyear from the sun.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:11:25am |
This is getting gooood
In response to Barbara Bush's comments Sr. Sarah responds.
Said Palin: "I think the majority of Americans don't want to put up with the blue bloods. And I say it with all due respect because I love the Bushes. The blue bloods who want to pick and choose their winners instead of allowing competition to pick and choose the winners."
[Link: politicalwire.com...]
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:11:57am |
re: #501 JasonA
I type too slow!!! :)
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:12:33am |
re: #503 Stanley Sea
LOL. So the new blue blood is goin after the old? HA!
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Kragar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:13:14am |
'Sarah Palin's Alaska' Ratings Plummet
After setting a TLC ratings record last week, Sarah Palin's reality show plummeted for its second episode.
Sarah Palin's Alaska fell 40% on Sunday night to 3 million viewers.
Not many were in the key adult demo either. Only 885,000 viewers were ages 18-49, dropping 44% from last week.
In fact, the median age of the show is 57 -- that's 15 years older than TLC's average.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:13:22am |
re: #497 lawhawk
Excuse me? Escape velocity could be achieved any number of ways - including collisions at high speeds at a sufficient distance from the sun. Objects could also be cast out into long irregular orbits and further disturbed out of those orbits by passing objects with sufficient gravity (other asteroids, planetoids, subplanets, etc.) that cause the objects to wander into interstellar space.
So why aren't we launching satellites off a trampoline, or by flying past a 747 jet? Sure we use planetoids to speed up spacecraft, but I'm not sure escape velocity can be achieved this way. Also please explain how can a collision of two objects cause one to move faster?
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Mocking Jay Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:14:47am |
re: #504 Stanley Sea
I type too slow!!! :)
You do. Im on my damn phone, which is painfully slooooow, at least on this site.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:15:36am |
Good idea Sarah, bite the elephant on the ankle one more time. See if it doesn't drop a steamy load all over you in the 2012 primary. Sheesh!
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Digital Display Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:15:43am |
re: #508 yasharki
So why aren't we launching satellites off a trampoline, or by flying past a 747 jet? Sure we use planetoids to speed up spacecraft, but I'm not sure escape velocity can be achieved this way. Also please explain how can a collision of two objects cause one to move faster?
Mass
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:15:55am |
re: #508 yasharki
So why aren't we launching satellites off a trampoline, or by flying past a 747 jet? Sure we use planetoids to speed up spacecraft, but I'm not sure escape velocity can be achieved this way. Also please explain how can a collision of two objects cause one to move faster?
Kinetic energy.
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DaddyG Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:16:42am |
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Kragar Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:16:43am |
re: #508 yasharki
So why aren't we launching satellites off a trampoline, or by flying past a 747 jet? Sure we use planetoids to speed up spacecraft, but I'm not sure escape velocity can be achieved this way. Also please explain how can a collision of two objects cause one to move faster?
Its called physics. Whole branch of study, fascinating stuff really.
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Renaissance_Man Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:17:21am |
re: #508 yasharki
So why aren't we launching satellites off a trampoline, or by flying past a 747 jet? Sure we use planetoids to speed up spacecraft, but I'm not sure escape velocity can be achieved this way. Also please explain how can a collision of two objects cause one to move faster?
Look at a Newton's cradle and see if you can't explain how collision can make one object move faster than it did before collision.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:18:33am |
Beck defends his Fox News Truther buddy....
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:19:44am |
re: #500 lawhawk
Actually, supernova would expel the exploding sun's gases throughout their near space - Planets closest would be obliterated (adding to interstellar dust), but those further away might be torn from their prior orbits and blown apart in chunks big enough to form new asteroids.
Dude, star's don't expel gases, mammals do :) According to science supernova will produce a vast molecular cloud which will eventually collapse on itself producing a new star system, nothing about planet shrapnel.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:20:00am |
No hat tip from media matters....
Fox host Napolitano is a 9-11 Truther: "It couldn't possibly have been done the way the government told us"
A link would have been nice.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:21:21am |
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:22:04am |
re: #508 yasharki
Oh dear lord are you that incredible deficient on basic science?
Try reading up on escape velocity. Then, read up on how Newtonian physics can explain how two objects can collide to result in a faster moving object. Here's a hint - it has to do with conservation of energy, momentum, and mass.
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Digital Display Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:23:00am |
re: #517 yasharki
Dude, star's don't expel gases, mammals do :) According to science supernova will produce a vast molecular cloud which will eventually collapse on itself producing a new star system, nothing about planet shrapnel.
When the core turns from gas to Iron the star explodes..Dude that is some serious shrapnel
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:23:03am |
By Fox News' standards, Napolitano "should be fired immediately" for being a 9-11 Truther
Of course not. We are witnessing the great 9-11 truth flip flop on Fox. Beck will start to question the official version of 9-11 soon too. Napolitano almost certainly got approval from Fox executives before coming out of the closet.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:24:34am |
re: #508 yasharki
You mean like when a fast moving car hits a parked or slow car, and the slow car speeds up via the momentum transferred?
Watch Nascar sometime.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:28:04am |
re: #517 yasharki
Here's another hint. Supernova are formed by collapsing stars that are made up of - wait for it - gases. When the star collapses beyond a certain point - the explosion sends a certain portion of the gases into the near space around them along with tremendous amounts of energy across the entire spectrum.
What's left after can be a neutron star or black hole depending on the size of the pre-explosion star. In any event, the expelled matter consists of gases and dust.
Supernovae can also leave behind different types of objects. After some supernova explosions, there remains a small, dense star composed mainly of neutrons or perhaps of elementary particles called quarks. Such a star is called a neutron star. Rapidly rotating, highly magnetized neutron stars are called pulsars. After other explosions, an invisible object called a black hole may be left behind. A black hole has such powerful gravitational force that not even light can escape it. In some cases, no object of any kind remains after a supernova explosion.Scientists believe that supernovae created all the heavier elements, such as iron, gold, and uranium, that are found on earth and have been detected in objects outside the solar system. Also, there is evidence that some high-energy cosmic rays originate in supernovae.
In 1054, Chinese astronomers recorded a supernova so bright that it was visible during the day. The explosion left behind a pulsar and a huge cloud of gas and dust known as the Crab Nebula, which still can be seen today.
Nebula are the stellar remnants of nova and supernova - and all consist of gas and dust that is made visible by nearby starlight.
Thanks for playing though....
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:31:30am |
re: #523 Rightwingconspirator
You mean like when a fast moving car hits a parked or slow car, and the slow car speeds up via the momentum transferred?
Watch Nascar sometime.
Yes I was wrong and everyone got to show off their knowledge of what someone called "basic science", stop rubbing it in, I admit my mistake. Nascar is a sport I never understood though, what's so cool about driving around in circles (or I guess ellipses)? Isn't F1 racing a bit more challenging?
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Obdicut Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:33:00am |
re: #437 yasharki
Isn't Dawkins a "AGW (and science at large) is an evil plot to take over the world" conspiracy theorist?
No. Not at all. The opposite. He's a world-class scientist.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:38:34am |
re: #458 Dreggas
HA!
Bristol wanted to win DWTS not because she was a good dancer but to basically flip off all the people who hate her and her mom
You know, I'm not crazy about Sarah, myself, but I would not feel particularly put upon if Bristol had won.
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yasharki Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:40:36am |
re: #526 Obdicut
No. Not at all. The opposite. He's a world-class scientist.
Oh sharks, I've managed to confuse Sir Dawkins with Sir Monckton, thank you for pointing this out.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Nov 24, 2010 10:41:04am |
re: #501 JasonA
Sarah strikes back against Barbara Bush, making the sides in the class war even more confusing...
[Link: politicalwire.com...]
Eeeeyah. Can you imagine the screaming if Michelle Obama had said somethin' like that?
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