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1 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 5:40:01pm
2 klys  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 5:44:42pm

New IUD: completely covered by insurance. Insertion: completely covered by insurance. Removal of old IUD: considered “outpatient surgery” and so covered at 90% after deductible.

This is a pretty good example of what is still pretty fucked up about our healthcare system.

3 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 5:46:40pm
4 Lidane  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 5:47:39pm
5 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 5:50:16pm
6 Chrysicat  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 5:50:45pm

I posted a response to that comment about the gun-nuts being outgunned in the downstairs thread. Is this the best way to mention it, or should I have submitted a very similar post in thist thread?

7 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 5:51:16pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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No, I think that’s most people. : )

8 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 5:51:55pm

re: #4 Lidane

Now he can’t help but think about the dual meaning of balls.

It haunts him.

9 Chrysicat  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 5:53:26pm
10 Stanley Sea  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 5:53:43pm

First world problem here. Walking Dead is not showing up On Demand.

I hate Time Warner along with every other freaking monopoly I’m stuck with.

FUCK.

(thanks for letting me type that, I’m alone and you are my designated victims of vent)

11 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 5:57:41pm

re: #9 Chrysicat

Exactly.

12 EPR-radar  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:01:51pm

re: #10 Stanley Sea

First world problem here. Walking Dead is not showing up On Demand.

I hate Time Warner along with every other freaking monopoly I’m stuck with.

FUCK.

(thanks for letting me type that, I’m alone and you are my designated victims of vent)

That is unpossible!! There are no monopolies. Only the blessings of the free market and the Golden Bull Market of Prosperity Gospel Jayzus for everyone.

13 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:03:00pm

In the battle between entropy and order, I choose order. So sue me.

14 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:07:28pm

‘Dumb Starbucks’ opens in L.A., but for how long?

Over the weekend, Dumb Starbucks, a coffee shop using virtually identical branding and logos to that of coffee colossus Starbucks opened up in Los Angeles. Even though on every level it operates as just another java joint, the operators believe (or at least claim to believe) that they can use the Starbucks name by stating that the entire store is a parody.

15 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:07:28pm

re: #10 Stanley Sea

First world problem here. Walking Dead is not showing up On Demand.

I hate Time Warner along with every other freaking monopoly I’m stuck with.

FUCK.

(thanks for letting me type that, I’m alone and you are my designated victims of vent)

AMC doesn’t make it easy to find but I think you can watch full episodes online amctv.com

16 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:09:40pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

In the battle between entropy and order, I choose order. So sue me.

I’m down with entropy
Youtube Video

17 b.d.  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:10:12pm

Why doesn’t the USA just cancel that guy’s passport? Dudebros tell me no one can go anywhere without a US passport.

18 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:11:49pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout

I’m down with entropy too, until they start fighting. Then I’m outta there.

19 Stanley Sea  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:12:14pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

AMC doesn’t make it easy to find but I think you can watch full episodes online amctv.com

Thanks Kilgore!

20 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:12:47pm
21 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:16:56pm

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

‘Dumb Starbucks’ opens in L.A., but for how long?

I suggest “Dumb Bucks” as their new name.

22 Chrysicat  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:18:55pm

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel

Which would work fine if not for the little issue that the name’s a shot across the bow of even-the-average-Angelino’s perception of actors as the dimmest bulbs on the continent :-P

23 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:22:51pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I like this term, “emotarians.” Conjures up images of skinny teenage boys wearing T-shirts, skinny jeans, and black eyeliner, hunched over their computers with cigarettes dangling from their mouths.

24 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:23:40pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea

Thanks Kilgore!

No problem. They really hide it on their website. I was stealing episodes for a long tie until I finally found them on the AMC site.

25 bratwurst  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:23:41pm
26 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:27:28pm

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

‘Dumb Starbucks’ opens in L.A., but for how long?

They can call themselves “Dumbbucks”

27 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:27:57pm

A few new little tidbits on the drone story but still no explanation why this is playing out in the press.
U.S. Suspect Possibly Targeted for Drone Attack

The CIA drones watching him cannot strike because he’s a U.S. citizen and the Justice Department must build a case against him, a task it hasn’t completed.

Four U.S. officials said the American suspected terrorist is in a country that refuses U.S. military action on its soil and that has proved unable to go after him. And President Barack Obama’s new policy says American suspected terrorists overseas can only be killed by the military, not the CIA, creating a policy conundrum for the White House.

Two of the officials described the man as an al-Qaeda facilitator who has been directly responsible for deadly attacks against U.S. citizens overseas and who continues to plan attacks against them that would use improvised explosive devices.

But one U.S. official said the Defense Department was divided over whether the man is dangerous enough to merit the potential domestic fallout of killing an American without charging him with a crime or trying him, and the potential international fallout of such an operation in a country that has been resistant to U.S. action.

Another of the U.S. officials said the Pentagon did ultimately decide to recommend lethal action.

The officials said the suspected terrorist is well-guarded and in a fairly remote location, so any unilateral attempt by U.S. troops to capture him would be risky and even more politically explosive than a U.S. missile strike.

28 klys  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:28:50pm
29 prairiefire  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:33:29pm

Cost for emergency pediatric appendectomy after discounts, deductibles and insurance payments ~ $5,000.
My husband is wandering around in a stupor.

30 klys  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:35:03pm

re: #29 prairiefire

Cost for emergency pediatric appendectomy after discounts, deductibles and insurance payments ~ $5,000.
My husband is wandering around in a stupor.

Ugh. :( I wish that number was 0.

31 GeneJockey  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:51:22pm

re: #29 prairiefire

Cost for emergency pediatric appendectomy after discounts, deductibles and insurance payments ~ $5,000.
My husband is wandering around in a stupor.

No surprise. My wife’s BC surgery back in Aught-4 happened in November, then chemo was in December and January, and radiation was after that. We ended up maxing out our per-person out-of-pocket two years in a row, on one thing.,

32 Kragar  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:53:51pm

You know, when a US citizen actively plans to engage in terrorist attacks killing his fellow Americans and relocates to a country hostile to the US to make it harder to get to him, its almost like he’s trying to not willing to obey US laws anymore.

Who would have thunk it?

33 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:55:35pm

re: #29 prairiefire

Cost for emergency pediatric appendectomy after discounts, deductibles and insurance payments ~ $5,000.
My husband is wandering around in a stupor.

This is why we must get this nation on Single Payer.

34 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:56:22pm

Funny, I don’t remember Miley saying EVERYBODY MUST TWERK, AND WHOEVER DOESN’T TWERK IS GOING TO HELL!!!!

35 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:02:13pm

re: #32 Kragar

You know, when a US citizen actively plans to engage in terrorist attacks killing his fellow Americans and relocates to a country hostile to the US to make it harder to get to him, its almost like he’s trying to not willing to obey US laws anymore.

Who would have thunk it?

Spent some time today digging on the citizenship status of the 300,000 or so Americans killed in the Civil War. That comparison is weakened by genuine disagreement over their exact status. A better comparison might be the hundreds of US citizens of German, Italian, and Japanese extraction who found their way back to the Old Country to fight against us in WWII. They generated no absurd calls for ‘due process on the battlefield’.

36 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:02:47pm

re: #34 Pie-onist Overlord

Funny, I don’t remember Miley saying EVERYBODY MUST TWERK, AND WHOEVER DOESN’T TWERK IS GOING TO HELL!!!!

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I’m even more sick of certain people saying that’s the only kind and way of prayer that’s acceptable to the Lord.

37 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:09:54pm

“How Business Works”
Notice how they never cut CEO pay

38 jaunte  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:16:13pm

re: #37 Pie-onist Overlord

Notice how they never cut CEO pay

It was a tough call, though.

39 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:18:02pm

HURR HURR!!!!!!! TEH BLAHS IS TEH REAL RACISTSSSSSS!!!!!!

40 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:18:40pm

re: #37 Pie-onist Overlord

“How Business Works”
Notice how they never cut CEO pay

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The government isn’t a business, nor should it be. Businesses try to maximize profits, governments try to maximize equal opportunity and care for those who need it.

41 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:18:45pm

re: #37 Pie-onist Overlord

“How Business Works”
Notice how they never cut CEO pay

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Yeah, those “tough calls” never involved exec pay cuts, holding back bonuses, or asking higher-paid execs to retire or look for employment elsewhere. No, they’ve “earned” all that and are “entitled” to it.

Meanwhile, Wal-Mart’s response to these “tough times” has been to cut pay, cut hours, and to cut jobs. Costco’s has been to keep pay high and offer generous benefits to its employees. The former is losing customers because it can’t keep shelves stocked or lines short, while the latter just posted sales 6% above the previous year.

Obviously the answer needed in these dire times is to follow the example of the Waltons.

42 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:19:05pm

re: #37 Pie-onist Overlord

“How Business Works”
Notice how they never cut CEO pay

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You also note they never say things like, “We will improve our products and services to sell more of them.”

43 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:19:45pm

HURR HURRRR!!!!!

44 jaunte  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:21:31pm

re: #42 Romantic Heretic

You also note they never say things like, “We will improve our products and services to sell more of them.”

Walmart’s continual price-cutting strategy for years has been to demand price cuts from its suppliers, resulting in poorer quality products made by the cheapest labor possible.

45 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:22:59pm
46 RadicalModerate  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:24:52pm

re: #37 Pie-onist Overlord

“How Business Works”
Notice how they never cut CEO pay

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Dale -

Greece called. They said your your economic plan sucks.

47 Belafon  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:32:54pm

re: #39 Pie-onist Overlord

Yes, political correctess must die. It’s time we stopped whitewashing just how cruel southern whites were, and how far they were willing to go to maintain slavery.

48 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:34:41pm

Wal-Mart’s learning the lesson that a lot of businesses learned during the Great Depression: You can only cut your workforce so far before it becomes self-defeating. The fewer folks you have on the line, the less work that can be done, the fewer customers served, the lower sales you’re going to record. Sales go down, you cut your workforce, and the cycle only deepens.

49 RadicalModerate  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:34:51pm

re: #39 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!!!! TEH BLAHS IS TEH REAL RACISTSSSSSS!!!!!!

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Slave nations of the Barbary coast (who engaged in slave trade):
Morocco, Algiers, Tunisia, Libya.

All of which have about 98% Arab-Berber ethnic populations, not “Africans”.
And all of which were driven by outlaw pirate activity in the area - not government sanctioned as was the case in the United States.

50 prairiefire  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:35:03pm

re: #31 GeneJockey

I hope MsGJ is better.

51 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:35:08pm

NYT names the country:U.S. Debates Drone Strike on American Terror Suspect in Pakistan

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merican officials said that the new discussions about whether to strike the American in Pakistan had been going on since the middle of last year. The public got a glimpse of the debate last week when Representative Mike Rogers of Michigan, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, spoke angrily about the drone restrictions imposed by Mr. Obama.

“Individuals who would have been previously removed from the battlefield by U.S. counterterrorism operations for attacking or plotting to attack against U.S. interests remain free because of self-imposed red tape,” Mr. Rogers said during a congressional hearing.

The new rules, Mr. Rogers said, are “endangering the lives of Americans at home and our military overseas in a way that is frustrating to our allies and frustrating to those of us who engage in the oversight of our classified activities.”
…..
The administration’s ambivalence on this case has infuriated Mr. Rogers. “The chairman is fired up about this,” the congressional aide said.

The aide also confirmed that the Defense Department was initially reluctant to place the individual on the targeting list, questioning whether he met the new standards that Mr. Obama laid out last May. But eventually the Pentagon came around, said the aide, who added that the C.I.A. had supported a lethal strike from the beginning.

This opens up some new possibilities. The debate has been going on over a year. The CIA and Pentagon want a strike but the White house is unsure. This also opens up the possibility that the “leaks” were not an intentional thing from the White House to gauge public opinion. This might have been disgruntled Pentagon, CIA or congressional Republicans.
If this dude is still in Pakistan he’s thinking about moving.

52 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:36:50pm

re: #47 Belafon

Yes, political correctess must die. It’s time we stopped whitewashing just how cruel southern whites were, and how far they were willing to go to maintain slavery.

I’m reading 12 Years A Slave, the annotated edition that goes into the actual historical details.

Horrific stuff. If the movie is faithful to the book it must be pretty grim.

53 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:37:18pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

A few new little tidbits on the drone story but still no explanation why this is playing out in the press.
U.S. Suspect Possibly Targeted for Drone Attack

Leak to get him out of hiding… making him feel out of our reach. Hopefully he gets complacent, and then…

54 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:39:29pm

re: #53 GlutenFreeJesus

Leak to get him out of hiding… making him feel out of our reach. Hopefully he gets complacent, and then…

That’s a possibility. I really hope this isn’t something dumber.

55 Bubblehead II  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:40:46pm

Night Lizards. As usual, May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.

Youtube Video

56 Kragar  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:43:14pm

re: #37 Pie-onist Overlord

57 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:43:41pm

There are an awful lot of unnamed sources talking to the press about this all of a sudden. Not just a lone whistle blower. It sure looks like a planned “leak” but I find it doubtful that Obama would voluntarily open himself up to the political damage about being indecisive when it comes to eliminating terrorist threats.

58 blueraven  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:44:36pm

eye roll

59 sagehen  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:46:06pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

AMC doesn’t make it easy to find but I think you can watch full episodes online amctv.com

A week later.

(but there’s replays on Friday night, Saturday morning, and Sunday immediately before the next episode).

60 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:50:19pm

re: #43 Pie-onist Overlord

Ugh that photo of GG. Just, ugh. horrible portait work.

61 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:00:37pm

re: #53 GlutenFreeJesus

Leak to get him out of hiding… making him feel out of our reach. Hopefully he gets complacent, and then…

Or hopefully either get Pakistan to arrest or kill him or get him to leave that country. Striking in Pakistan outside of the tribal areas would open up a pretty nasty can of worms.

62 sagehen  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:04:28pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

NYT names the country:U.S. Debates Drone Strike on American Terror Suspect in Pakistan

A

This opens up some new possibilities. The debate has been going on over a year. The CIA and Pentagon want a strike but the White house is unsure. This also opens up the possibility that the “leaks” were not an intentional thing from the White House to gauge public opinion. This might have been disgruntled Pentagon, CIA or congressional Republicans.
If this dude is still in Pakistan he’s thinking about moving.

The article doesn’t specify — are we to assume they’re talking about Adam Gadahn?

63 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:06:51pm

re: #62 sagehen

The article doesn’t specify — are we to assume they’re talking about Adam Gadahn?

Gadahn has been on our radar for years, so if DoJ doesn’t have a prepared case against him then someone needs to be demoted.

64 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:08:59pm

Different kind of snow angel…

65 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:09:22pm

re: #62 sagehen

The article doesn’t specify — are we to assume they’re talking about Adam Gadahn?

That was my first thought too. He does kinda fit the description. I think he would be considered inner circle but not really a commander or strategist. As far as I remember he was just a propagandist but maybe his role has evolved. We haven’t heard from him in quite some time.

66 sagehen  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:11:34pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

Different kind of snow angel…

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DON’T BLINK!!!!

(how do you make letters bigger?)

67 Chrysicat  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:14:07pm

He’s even saying race is the only reason the President hasn’t been impeached. For Southern Repubs, you’d think that would be a feature in terms of setting it off, not a bug…

68 Chrysicat  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:16:35pm

re: #34 Pie-onist Overlord

Funny, I don’t remember Miley saying EVERYBODY MUST TWERK, AND WHOEVER DOESN’T TWERK IS GOING TO HELL!!!!

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You’re pretty active on Twitter—why didn’t you MT that exact response to him there? :-P

69 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:20:38pm

re: #67 Chrysicat

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He’s even saying race is the only reason the President hasn’t been impeached. For Southern Repubs, you’d think that would be a featue in terms of setting it off, not a bug…

He’s probably saying it because that’s exactly what Rush the Hutt was saying today, that the only reason the GOP hasn’t impeached the President is because he’s the first black president. Not because their “charges” amount to squabbles that they themselves are creating, but because they’re just afraid to be seen as racist.

70 jaunte  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:27:06pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

they’re just afraid to be seen as racist.

That would be news, if true.

71 Belafon  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:34:54pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

How can I facebook that one? My wife would love it.

72 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 8:36:48pm

re: #52 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m reading 12 Years A Slave, the annotated edition that goes into the actual historical details.

Horrific stuff. If the movie is faithful to the book it must be pretty grim.

I haven’t read the book, but there are certainly some grim scenes in the movie.

On the other hand, I rather suspect the reality was much more unrelentingly grim than the movie shows. I don’t think an audience could stomach a faithful representation.

73 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:01:54pm

It’s bizarre to me how CEOs and business executives are so revered among the right wing crowd when private corporations are, generally speaking, far more ruthless and tyrannical than the government could ever dream of.

74 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:11:51pm

re: #73 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s bizarre to me how CEOs and business executives are so revered among the right wing crowd when private corporations are, generally speaking, far more ruthless and tyrannical than the government could ever dream of.

Battered person syndrome. “Yeah, they kick the shit out of me and rob me blind, but they still care about me!”

75 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:19:57pm

And on a similar note, I really hate the dudebro/TP argument that no regulation will work just fine because I as a responsible person can avoid getting screwed simply by only doing business with companies I trust.

The flaw there is that I really don’t trust any company. They’re always more concerned about their money than they are me. Not to mention they are often deceptive in their marketing and public statements and less than honest about what actually goes on at their facilities.

How can you ever know the truth if everyone is lying?

76 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:20:38pm

Hey all.

It’s still cold in my part of the world.

Last night, hubby wanted to watch BulletProof Salesman. And if that didn’t make me depressed enough, we watched the Smithsonian: Seizing Justice: The Greensboro 4 tonite.

You?

77 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:22:51pm

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

And on a similar note, I really hate the dudebro/TP argument that no regulation will work just fine because I as a responsible person can avoid getting screwed simply by only doing business with companies I trust.

The flaw there is that I really don’t trust any company. They’re always more concerned about their money than they are me. Not to mention they are often deceptive in their marketing and public statements and less than honest about what actually goes on at their facilities.

How can you ever know the truth if everyone is lying?

“All Men Would be Tyrants if they could … ” Abigail Adams

So, yes we need government.

78 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:23:24pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

Battered person syndrome. “Yeah, they kick the shit out of me and rob me blind, but they still care about me!”

It’s a conditioning process —akin if not actually, brainwashing.

79 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:23:42pm

re: #76 FemNaziBitch

Cold here, too. Pipes are already trying to freeze.
I’ve got the taps dripping, but have to flush the toilet every hour.

So, here I am, drinking coffee after midnight and hoping I can stay awake all night…

80 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:25:01pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cold here, too. Pipes are already trying to freeze.
I’ve got the taps dripping, but have to flush the toilet every hour.

So, here I am, drinking coffee after midnight and hoping I can stay awake all night…

We aren’t that bad. yet …:)

81 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:32:23pm

Some people are really disgusting.

For the past month, inboxes across the United States and beyond have been getting funeral notices that appear to be from Eubank Funeral Home in Canton, Texas, 60 miles east of Dallas.

Without saying who has died, the fake emails invite the recipient to an upcoming “celebration of your friend’s life service” and instruct the recipient to click a link for “more detailed information about the farewell ceremony.”

“It reaches to people’s curiosity and their natural instinct to find out who passed away,” Bass told Yahoo News.

But instead of going to Eubank’s website, the Better Business Bureau says, the link in the email takes readers to a foreign domain where malicious software is downloaded onto the user’s computer allowing criminals access to passwords, financial records, and other personal information stored on the computer.

Fake funeral notice scam ‘reaches a new low’

82 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:54:45pm

Good night, all.

83 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:56:19pm

re: #82 William Barnett-Lewis

Good night, all.

I’m out, too. Sleep well, all.

84 freetoken  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:03:27pm

And suddenly, there’s Mahler: Fourth movement from his symphony #5, as meaty as it is pretty:

MP3 Audio

85 Lidane  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:05:26pm
86 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:15:31pm

re: #85 Lidane

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Ben who?

87 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:24:03pm

re: #85 Lidane

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The Adolph card is wearing thin.

88 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:27:03pm

re: #87 FemNaziBitch

The Adolph card is wearing thin.

Seriously. Don’t they know that if “the secular progressive movement” is going to turn America into any of the historical dystopias, it’ll be Stalinist Russia?

89 Kragar  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:29:15pm

re: #87 FemNaziBitch

The Adolph card is wearing thin.

I’m getting so fucking tired of that schtick.

Its that kind of rhetoric which is driving more and more sane people out of the GOP.

90 Kragar  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:30:37pm

On the bright side, I finally found the class I’m comfortable with on Borderlands 2

91 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:30:39pm

re: #88 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

re: #89 Kragar

Someone —photoshop the Joker in a deck of cards with an adolph kitty face.

92 austin_blue  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:34:49pm

re: #85 Lidane

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Sure. Progressives are all about concentration camps and gas chambers. Not so much about crematoriums, though. All that CO2 would be bad.

93 Lidane  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:41:47pm
94 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:43:39pm

OMG! I started the audio version of A Space Odyssey: 2001. Arthur C. Clark (himself!) narrates a preface explaining the background of the book and movie.

That alone was worth the cost of the download.

95 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:44:46pm

Did you know that meerkats are in the same family as mongooses?

and that Neither are rodents?

Jackals are dogs.

96 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:46:59pm
97 Kragar  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:51:53pm

re: #95 FemNaziBitch

Did you know that meerkats are in the same family as mongooses?

and that Neither are rodents?

Jackals are dogs.

Bears and dogs share a common ancestor.

98 austin_blue  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:55:01pm

re: #97 Kragar

Bears and dogs share a common ancestor.

As do bears and humans. And humans and trilobites.

Just sayin’.

99 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:58:04pm

re: #97 Kragar

Bears and dogs share a common ancestor.

One of the most wonderful things about getting old is that you get to learn fascinating things about the world all over again.

100 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:58:31pm

re: #90 Kragar

On the bright side, I finally found the class I’m comfortable with on Borderlands 2

I’ve been meaning to ask, how was ESO?

101 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:59:54pm

re: #97 Kragar

Bears and dogs share a common ancestor.

For that matter, Homo sapiens and E. coli share a common ancestor. Of course, that was considerably longer ago (2.5 billion years, give or take). Bear/dog divergence was only about 45 million.

There’s a great app here that will calculate the time of divergence for any two species. I’ve found a few gaps, but the coverage is reasonably complete.

102 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:04:41pm

Should I re-read (listen to) the Rama series from Clarke?

103 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:07:17pm

re: #101 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Brown Bears and Water Bears: diverged 782 million years ago.

104 The War TARDIS  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:11:21pm

re: #101 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

The Red Fox and the Wolf: Diverged 14.6 Million Years ago.

Red Fox and Badger: 42.6 MYA

105 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:11:37pm

re: #103 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Brown Bears and Water Bears: diverged 782 million years ago.

what about the water bear and the black labrador retriever?

106 The War TARDIS  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:13:35pm

re: #105 FemNaziBitch

The same

107 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:13:36pm

re: #104 The War TARDIS

The Red Fox and the Wolf: Diverged 14.6 Million Years ago.

Red Fox and Badger: 42.6 MYA

Damn, I was hoping there would be a domesticated fox in a few decades.

They are so freakin’ cute!

108 The War TARDIS  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:14:23pm

re: #107 FemNaziBitch

It is already a fact. I’ll be writing an article once my mom gives my dad the Nat Geo on it , who will give it to me.

Expect it in March.

109 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:17:22pm

re: #108 The War TARDIS

It is already a fact. I’ll be writing an article once my mom gives my dad the Nat Geo on it , who will give it to me.

Expect it in March.

I waaaaannnnnnnttttt one before March!

110 The War TARDIS  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:24:16pm

re: #109 FemNaziBitch

I need the article first.

I give you a picture for the time being.

They evolved floppy ears as a result of the experiments by Belyaev

111 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:24:29pm

nytol

112 Kragar  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:54:06pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

I’ve been meaning to ask, how was ESO?

Meh, nothing at all like the original games. They lifted the setting and dropped the places and names on an MMO engine.

113 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:57:54pm
114 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:08:52am
115 Chrysicat  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:47:18am

re: #112 Kragar

You may want Charles to blank that post. NDA’s are nothing to fool around with and I could have sworn that the writer of CAD complained just yesterday that ESO is still under its :-(

116 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:06:38am

re: #115 Chrysicat

He’ll be fine. There have been press previews of the game that include an NDA drop. What Kragar posted is benign compared to some of the articles online by journalists that have played it.

117 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:13:24am

Here’s our snow map. Looks like we’ll be getting around 6” here, probably not until tomorow, although they’re all hedging their bets on whether it will start today or tomorrow.

As for me, I’ll open the blinds when it gets light and just keep looking out the sliding glass doors off to the right of this computer. : )

Image: snow-carolinas.jpg

118 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:33:13am

While the EU sharpens its condemnation of Yanukovych in the Ukraine, the Kyiv Post prints an article from the AC in which Larison gets everything wrong. Link can be found here.

kyivpost.com

I hope no one over there actually thinks Larison and Dreher decide the foreign policy of the US in regard to Ukraine. : )

119 Chrysicat  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:58:38am

re: #48 Targetpractice

Wait, you mean a death spiral? The world may suck with Wal-Mart, but it would be even worse without them, at least in towns that would wind up taking a lot of bitter medicine before their employment levels got back up to pre-WM-collapse levels…so I really hope there’s a way to pull out before they go out of business.

Besides, every store has some exclusive-to-the-area items, and I like some of the junk-food ones WM has to offer. And beyond that, their price for pseudoephedrine caplets is like half what other retailers are asking. And when you go through a 12-hour pill a day just to keep your discharge from thickening and tearing holes in the lining of your throat, that’s a pretty big deal…

120 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:49:56am

re: #117 Justanotherhuman

Here’s our snow map. Looks like we’ll be getting around 6” here, probably not until tomorow, although they’re all hedging their bets on whether it will start today or tomorrow.

As for me, I’ll open the blinds when it gets light and just keep looking out the sliding glass doors off to the right of this computer. : )

Image: snow-carolinas.jpg

Are you near Asheville?

121 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:51:41am

RIP Shirley Temple

bbc.co.uk

122 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:54:39am

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

RIP Shirley Temple

bbc.co.uk

Another legend passes.

123 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:13:34am

re: #88 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Seriously. Don’t they know that if “the secular progressive movement” is going to turn America into any of the historical dystopias, it’ll be Stalinist Russia?

It’s because Americans are generally more familiar with the horrors of the Nazi regime than they are with the horrors of Stalin’s USSR. Additionally, Adolf Hitler has become, quite frankly, almost a caricature for evil incarnate; Americans “understand” Hitler and the Nazis as a symbolic representation of the darkness of the human heart more so than they do Stalin.

I use “understand” in quotes because a lot of Americans are woefully ignorant of what the Nazi ideology represented. Pro Tip: it’s not liberalism.

124 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:11:32am

re: #120 wheat-dogghazi

About 75 mi away as the crow flies. : )

125 Chrysicat  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:14:59am

re: #124 Justanotherhuman

Eeeep. Doesn’t that put you BELOW the fall line, and thus in a region where you’d normally be used to NO snow, let alone half a foot?

126 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:17:12am

re: #124 Justanotherhuman

About 75 mi away as the crow flies. : )

Nice! I’ve been through there twice. Some family friends lived outside Asheville — I forget where now — but they moved to Alexandria about 10 years ago. NC is one of my favorite states, and I’ve been there several times, but I’ve never lived there. Hope the snow isn’t too bad.

127 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:22:02am

re: #125 Chrysicat

No, we get snow from time to time. The last time we got 6” was about 5 yrs ago. And we live at a lake, so when it does snow here, we get that “lake effect”.

It’s infrequent enough that most people forget how to drive in it. This has been a very, very cold winter with a lot of nights in single digits and teens. Today we’ll reach 38, but tomorow it’s not supposed to get above 28. We’ve had a few days like that this winter.

Sick of it.

128 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:23:21am

Shirley Temple has passed away. I has a sad. :(

129 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:26:29am

It’s 7:30 and still fairly dark and ominous looking outside. Snow sky. 33 deg and perfect for snow right now, but it won’t stick until tonight if it warms up much more. So, I’m thinking maybe a little today, much more tomorrow, and some on Thurs.

But we’ll see.

130 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:31:20am

Dawn is breaking and hopefully the temperature outside will start rising from its current miserable 1F.
I’m off to finally catch a few zzzzs after being up since 10:30 p.m. Back in a couple of hours.

131 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:33:38am

Bryan Fischer hasn’t Tweeted in like 3 days. I hope he’s OK.

I will pray for him, that his next Tweet should be Gay Bryan Fischer. :)

“I’m Out! I’m Proud! My hair is fabulous!”

132 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:34:56am

re: #129 Justanotherhuman

It’s 7:30 and still fairly dark and ominous looking outside. Snow sky. 33 deg and perfect for snow right now, but it won’t stick until tonight if it warms up much more. So, I’m thinking maybe a little today, much more tomorrow, and some on Thurs.

But we’ll see.

We had our first snow of the Year of the Horse a couple of days ago. It’s mostly melted by now. Daytime temps have been around 34°F.

133 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:36:57am

re: #131 Pie-onist Overlord

Bryan Fischer hasn’t Tweeted in like 3 days. I hope he’s OK.

I will pray for him, that his next Tweet should be Gay Bryan Fischer. :)

“I’m Out! I’m Proud! My hair is fabulous!”

My evil twin (who does not have a beard, because I do) suggests someone needs to create a fake Twitter account called GayBryanFischer. Pity I can’t copyright this idea.

134 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:39:09am

re: #131 Pie-onist Overlord

Bryan Fischer hasn’t Tweeted in like 3 days. I hope he’s OK.

I will pray for him, that his next Tweet should be Gay Bryan Fischer. :)

“I’m Out! I’m Proud! My hair is fabulous!”

Brother Bryan always did look unusually well-coiffed for a wild-eyed
prophet.

135 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:39:27am

re: #131 Pie-onist Overlord

Well, this is all over the internet, and he’ll never live it down. : )

SAY NO MORE
Bryan Fischer Wants The World To Know “I Love Black Males”

Full story here: queerty.com

136 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:39:42am

re: #64 Targetpractice

Different kind of snow angel…

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Don’t blink.

137 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:42:21am

re: #85 Lidane

Ben, you ignorant slut!

138 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:42:33am

Breaking headline says this was an “adult” cinema…

Deadly blasts hit Pakistan cinema
Breaking news

At least eight people have been killed and many injured in a suspected grenade attack at a cinema in Peshawar in north-west Pakistan, police say.

bbc.co.uk

139 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:44:23am

re: #133 wheat-dogghazi

My evil twin (who does not have a beard, because I do) suggests someone needs to create a fake Twitter account called GayBryanFischer. Pity I can’t copyright this idea.

I have thought of doing that, but it would be inappropriate. I think an actual Gay person should do it.

140 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:48:29am

re: #131 Pie-onist Overlord

Bryan Fischer hasn’t Tweeted in like 3 days. I hope he’s OK.

I will pray for him, that his next Tweet should be Gay Bryan Fischer. :)

“I’m Out! I’m Proud! My hair is fabulous!”

Maybe he finally got around to reading them instead of just hitting send. And I hope he is physically okay…but he has never been completely okay.

By the way…-2° right now in central Ohio. May this be the last of it. Long range forecasts look like we might get back to average.

By the way…Morning!

Ohhh…cable TV just went kaput! Cold weather. It’s crappy Time Warner and I think their infrastructure is falling apart. They probably hope to sell it all off before they have to update.

141 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:48:32am

re: #139 Pie-onist Overlord

I have thought of doing that, but it would be inappropriate. I think an actual Gay person should do it.

I don’t qualify, either. Fischer richly deserves a parody, though. Someone needs to take him down a few notches.

142 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:54:22am

NOT THIS STUPID FUCKING MEME AGAIN

143 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:57:50am

This is Rock Hill SC right now. That’s about 50 mi south of us.

144 Chrysicat  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:06:15am

re: #139 Pie-onist Overlord

I have thought of doing that, but it would be inappropriate. I think an actual Gay person should do it.

Do we have any here who have the time and the nasty sense of humor needed? I’ve maybe got the time (when I’m not crashing at odd hours) and possibly the sense of humor, but while FISCHER would say I pass the first test, I’m t-woman, and probably Kinsey-1 or 2 IF you consider me female rather than male… :-P

145 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:08:16am
146 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:10:56am

I have yet to see any “LIBRUL OUTRAGE” about this skating performance. If he wore an actual gun on the ice there might be some talk about it.

147 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:11:38am

Haha, I heard some banging, and my neighbor was coming in a few min ago with groceries and I poked my head out and said, You’re going to need those if we get 6” and are snowed in for a couple of days. He’s from Jersey and laughed and said, Yeah, 6” here is like 4’ up north.

Looks like we’re on the cusp and could possibly get more than 6, depending on how accurate this is. But I’m not counting on it; famous last words and all.

148 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:19:30am

re: #147 Justanotherhuman

Haha, I heard some banging, and my neighbor was coming in a few min ago with groceries and I poked my head out and said, You’re going to need those if we get 6” and are snowed in for a couple of days. He’s from Jersey and laughed and said, Yeah, 6” here is like 4’ up north.

Looks like we’re on the cusp and could possibly get more than 6, depending on how accurate this is. But I’m not counting on it; famous last words and all.

I assume he wasn’t one of those panic buyers we have in Louisville who hit the supermarkets just before a “big storm” hits. (Big for Louisville is anything over 2”.)

149 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:24:12am

re: #148 wheat-dogghazi

I assume he wasn’t one of those panic buyers we have in Louisville who hit the supermarkets just before a “big storm” hits. (Big for Louisville is anything over 2”.)

No, it was probably time for him to shop. He’s pretty much a recluse; works from home. But he seems like a nice guy, always says hello and lets us pet his dog when he’s out with him. Other than that, we seldom see him.

150 Chrysicat  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:25:24am

re: #148 wheat-dogghazi

I assume he wasn’t one of those panic buyers we have in Louisville who hit the supermarkets just before a “big storm” hits. (Big for Louisville is anything over 2”.)

Even if he is, I’d almost see it as justified in this case. If the city’s at a standstill, he won’t be able to go out—even just walking—to get his bread and milk after it hits, after all, and very few people hang onto a month’s stockpile of bread in their freezer like my family (even then, we still run through just over 2 gallons of milk a week…)

151 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:27:34am

re: #150 Chrysicat

Even if he is, I’d almost see it as justified in this case. If the city’s at a standstill, he won’t be able to go out—even just walking—to get his bread and milk after it hits, after all, and very few people hang onto a month’s stockpile of bread in their freezer like my family (even then, we still run through just over 2 gallons of milk a week…)

I rarely buy bread, I prefer to bake my own.

Of course if the power goes out it would suck to bake bread in the fireplace.

152 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:29:49am

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

No, it was probably time for him to shop. He’s pretty much a recluse; works from home. But he seems like a nice guy, always says hello and lets us pet his dog when he’s out with him. Other than that, we seldom see him.

Heh. He just checked three blocks on the Nancy Grace Scale of Serial Axe Murderers.

153 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:32:20am

re: #77 FemNaziBitch

“All Men Would be Tyrants if they could … ” Abigail Adams

So, yes we need government.

All the updings for Abigail Adams quote!

154 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:33:38am

Oh, for chrissakes. When are those 12K going to revolt? That’s a small town of people.

Barclays to cut 12,000 jobs, pays bigger bonuses

chicagotribune.com

LONDON (Reuters) - Barclays said it would axe up to 12,000 jobs this year even as it raised bonuses for investment bankers, prompting fury among politicians and unions who said it had not learned the lessons of the financial crisis.

“Britain’s third-biggest bank said up to 9 percent of employees could go, including 7,000 in Britain, as it tries to lower costs. The cuts are not concentrated in any one business area.

“It said it paid 2.4 billion pounds ($3.9 billion) in incentive awards last year, raising bonuses at the investment bank by 13 percent despite a slump in its profits. The average bonus for the investment bank’s 26,200 staff was 60,100 pounds.”

155 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:34:47am

re: #151 Pie-onist Overlord

I rarely buy bread, I prefer to bake my own.

Of course if the power goes out it would suck to bake bread in the fireplace.

Cast iron w/a lid. Makes a lovely little oven you can use in a fire place. : )

156 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:34:47am

re: #108 The War TARDIS

It is already a fact. I’ll be writing an article once my mom gives my dad the Nat Geo on it , who will give it to me.

Expect it in March.

One of the good things to come out of Russia, I believe. ;)

157 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:36:03am

re: #108 The War TARDIS

re: #110 The War TARDIS

en.wikipedia.org

158 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:36:37am

re: #155 Justanotherhuman

Cast iron w/a lid. Makes a lovely little oven you can use in a fire place. : )

I don’t have a cast iron pan. Been meaning to buy one for years.

159 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:38:37am

re: #155 Justanotherhuman

Cast iron w/a lid. Makes a lovely little oven you can use in a fire place. : )

Yep. We’ve done bread/rolls while camping, with a dutch oven whose lid is designed as a tray for coals.

160 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:42:26am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

Heh. He just checked three blocks on the Nancy Grace Scale of Serial Axe Murderers.

Nah. He does go to visit his parents a couple of times a year. Keeps a very, very low profile, and has lived here longer than I have, so over 5 yrs because no one else is allowed to have pets and his was grandfathered in when the current owners took over. In his mid-30s; that’s all I know ‘cause I don’t acct for him unless it was something that disturbed me, like the loud banging this am. All I know is that he works on his computer in some capacity; other than that, he seems perfectly harmless. : )

161 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:42:38am

re: #158 Pie-onist Overlord

I don’t have a cast iron pan. Been meaning to buy one for years.

I picked up a 15” skillet at a Mennonite store in Elkhart, Indiana, years ago. I’m not sure which of my kids has it now. My former mother-in-law was going to throw away a Dutch oven like jah is talking about, because it was rusty on the outside. No idea how old it was at the time. Anyway, we cleaned it up and started to use it.

You might be able to find cast iron ware cheap at a thrift store.

162 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:42:59am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Yep. We’ve done bread/rolls while camping, with a dutch oven whose lid is designed as a tray for coals.

Dutch Ovens are teh bawmb.

163 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:43:29am

re: #161 wheat-dogghazi

I picked up a 15” skillet at a Mennonite store in Elkhart, Indiana, years ago. I’m not sure which of my kids has it now. My former mother-in-law was going to throw away a Dutch oven like jah is talking about, because it rusty on the outside. No idea how old it was at the time. Anyway, we cleaned it up and started to use it.

You might be able to find cast iron ware cheap at a thrift store.

I have a Lodge skillet on my Amazon wish list. Might as well buy it now.

164 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:44:41am

re: #163 Pie-onist Overlord

I have a Lodge skillet on my Amazon wish list. Might as well buy it now.

Livin’ life on the edge, you are! La vida loca!

165 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:44:55am

re: #158 Pie-onist Overlord

I don’t have a cast iron pan. Been meaning to buy one for years.

Look in thrift stores for something that’s already used. I have several old (over 30 yrs) pieces (even gave a few to my sons) and it really takes years to get them “right”. A lot of it comes from China these days, unfortunately.

166 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:45:57am

re: #163 Pie-onist Overlord

I have a Lodge skillet on my Amazon wish list. Might as well buy it now.

Lodge is the way to go because you have to buy new (as we once discussed). Their factory and real outlet store is in South Pittsburg TN, not far from your kids.

167 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:46:35am

re: #165 Justanotherhuman

Look in thrift stores for something that’s already used. I have several old (over 30 yrs) pieces (even gave a few to my sons) and it really takes years to get them “right”. A lot of it comes from China these days, unfortunately.

QFT.

168 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:46:45am

re: #165 Justanotherhuman

Look in thrift stores for something that’s already used. I have several old (over 30 yrs) pieces (even gave a few to my sons) and it really takes years to get them “right”. A lot of it comes from China these days, unfortunately.

I keep kosher so I can’t buy a used skillet, I don’t know what it’s been used for.

169 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:48:46am

re: #168 Pie-onist Overlord

I keep kosher so I can’t buy a used skillet, I don’t know what it’s been used for.

That’s what I was gonna say — IMAO, pork fat is the optimum fat for curing/seasoning for cast iron, but what do I know?

I do think with a base cure of shortening, you could work some cast iron magic with schmaltz.

EDITED TO ADD: Now I’m wondering if anyone’s ever done scientific studies of cast-iron vessels exclusively using particular fats.

170 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:49:51am

re: #169 chadu

That’s what I was gonna say — IMAO, pork fat is the optimum fat for curing/seasoning for cast iron, but what do I know?

I do think with a base cure of shortening, you could work some cast iron magic with schmaltz.

The Lodge skillets are pre-seasoned and they are certified kosher, so probably some kind of vegetable fat has been used.

171 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:49:58am

re: #168 Pie-onist Overlord

I keep kosher so I can’t buy a used skillet, I don’t know what it’s been used for.

Then Lodge is the way to go, rather than guessing. If you have a BBQ grill, a smoker type, you can “cure” it in that better than in your oven. You could look online for ways to do it using a vegetable based cure (not lard or any meat products). It takes time, and stinks (which is why you don’t want to do it in the house).

172 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:50:15am

re: #168 Pie-onist Overlord

I keep kosher so I can’t buy a used skillet, I don’t know what it’s been used for.

Oh, I forgot about that. There’d be a good chance pork products were cooked in a skillet.
.
.
.
Now I want sausage and eggs.

173 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:50:25am

Now what am I going to use it for, meat or dairy?

174 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:51:27am

re: #173 Pie-onist Overlord

Now what am I going to use it for, meat or dairy?

Pie

Image: Apple-pie-071.jpg

175 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:51:37am

re: #170 Pie-onist Overlord

Aha! Lodge is kosher.

chowhound.chow.com

Oh, wait…didn’t read down far enough.

176 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:52:27am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

Pie

Image: Apple-pie-071.jpg

That looks good.

177 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:52:48am

re: #170 Pie-onist Overlord

The Lodge skillets are pre-seasoned and they are certified kosher, so probably some kind of vegetable fat has been used.

Yup, I was thinking about your usage going forward.

Me, before my mom washed the skillet in soapy water*, usually used stuff in pork fat, chicken fat, or peanut oil.

* I’m still crying inside, and haven’t re-cured yet.

Hmmmm, maybe doing duck breasts would be a good start after base re-curing…

178 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:52:57am

re: #173 Pie-onist Overlord

Now what am I going to use it for, meat or dairy?

The only dairy I ever cooked in mine were eggs and grilled cheese sandwiches. (Not at the same time.)

179 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:53:04am

I already have a collection of pie pans, though.

Fried chicken?

180 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:53:32am

re: #173 Pie-onist Overlord

Now what am I going to use it for, meat or dairy?

Meat.

181 Mattand  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:53:58am

re: #147 Justanotherhuman

Haha, I heard some banging, and my neighbor was coming in a few min ago with groceries and I poked my head out and said, You’re going to need those if we get 6” and are snowed in for a couple of days. He’s from Jersey and laughed and said, Yeah, 6” here is like 4’ up north.

Looks like we’re on the cusp and could possibly get more than 6, depending on how accurate this is. But I’m not counting on it; famous last words and all.

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Philly/South Jersey is looking at 6” to 8” according to NOAA, and 6” to OMG GAME OVER MAN!!!! according to the local broadcasters.

Ratings forecasting, I calls it.

182 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:53:59am

re: #176 Pie-onist Overlord

That looks good.

thewannabecountrygirl.com

183 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:54:19am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

Pie

Image: Apple-pie-071.jpg

I retract my earlier vote of “meat”.

Dutch Ovens work great for moist cakes, too.

184 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:55:14am

Fried chicken in a cast iron skillet is OMGIWANTTOEATTHATEVERYDAYFOREVER. Do eet.

185 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:55:24am

re: #183 chadu

I retract my earlier vote of “meat”.

Dutch Ovens work great for moist cakes, too.

Campfire cinnamon buns on a cold morning.

186 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:55:33am

re: #178 wheat-dogghazi

The only dairy I ever cooked in mine were eggs and grilled cheese sandwiches. (Not at the same time.)

Do eggs count as dairy under kosher rules?

187 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:56:00am

re: #177 chadu

Yup, I was thinking about your usage going forward.

Me, before my mom washed the skillet in soapy water*, usually used stuff in pork fat, chicken fat, or peanut oil.

* I’m still crying inside, and haven’t re-cured yet.

Hmmmm, maybe doing duck breasts would be a good start after base re-curing…

Being in China, I have a wok, and you treat it like cast iron. So, you can imagine my dismay when one of my more enterprising students went to town cleaning my wok with hot soapy water after dinner one evening. Took me weeks to get the coating back on it.

188 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:56:38am

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

I already have a collection of pie pans, though.

Fried chicken?

If you buy a deep skillet, sure. But Dutch Oven would be better for that.

But can’t beat the skillet for pan-fried stuff.

189 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:56:57am

re: #186 chadu

Do eggs count as dairy under kosher rules?

Eggs are pareve (neutral)

I could buy two iron pans.

And maybe a third for Passover. :)

190 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:57:39am

re: #187 wheat-dogghazi

Being in China, I have a wok, and you treat it like cast iron. So, you can imagine my dismay when one of my more enterprising students went to town cleaning my wok with hot soapy water after dinner one evening. Took me weeks to get the coating back on it.

(pours a 40 of Wesson out with you for fallen cures)

191 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:58:04am

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

Eggs are pareve (neutral)

I could buy two iron pans.

And maybe a third for Passover. :)

Get an engineer to check your floor loading.

192 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:58:54am

re: #190 chadu

Thanks.

193 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:59:13am

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

Eggs are pareve (neutral)

I could buy two iron pans.

And maybe a third for Passover. :)

You might work with two — like wheat-dogg, the only dairy I’ve ever cooked in my skillet were grilled cheese sammitches.

Strike that, the sammitches were worth an extra skillet. (Just get a little one.)

194 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:00:23am

I have a little 6” cast iron skillet that is perfect for grilled cheese sand or scrambling eggs…

Also, a 12” skillet, deep chicken fryer (lids for both), a dutch oven and even a 3 qt pot w/lid. The only one w/o a lid is the tiny frying pan. Gave my “spider” (skillet sized griddle) to my son and regret it now. : ) And wish I had accepted the corn muffin pan someone offered. I rescued a huge cast iron stock pot from beside our dumpster and cleaned it up and gave it to a friend. Much too big for me and she might have been able to sell it.

195 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:01:01am

re: #193 chadu

You might work with two — like wheat-dogg, the only dairy I’ve ever cooked in my skillet were grilled cheese sammitches.

Strike that, the sammitches were worth an extra skillet. (Just get a little one.)

I already have a panini press for sandwiches.

I JUST CAN’T STOP BUYING GADGETS & APPLIANCES!!!

I have these little ceramic “pie birds” that vent steam from pie filling. They look so cute lined up on the window sill.

196 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:01:27am

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

Eggs are pareve (neutral)

I could buy two iron pans.

And maybe a third for Passover. :)

Does that mean steak and eggs is OK, or a cheese omelette is OK, but not steak + cheese omelette in the same pan?

197 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:02:07am

re: #193 chadu

You might work with two — like wheat-dogg, the only dairy I’ve ever cooked in my skillet were grilled cheese sammitches.

Strike that, the sammitches were worth an extra skillet. (Just get a little one.)

Lodge also sells the cast-iron squisher for grilled cheeses.

198 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:02:50am

re: #196 wheat-dogghazi

Does that mean steak and eggs is OK, or a cheese omelette is OK, but not steak + cheese omelette in the same pan?

Steak & eggs is OK.
Cheese & eggs is OK. (in a different pan)

Steak & eggs & cheese ARE NOT OK all in one pan, or even served together from different pans.

199 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:03:36am

re: #198 Pie-onist Overlord

Steak & eggs is OK.
Cheese & eggs is OK. (in a different pan)

Steak & eggs & cheese ARE NOT OK all in one pan, or even served together from different pans.

Roger that. I’ll file that away for future reference.

200 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:04:03am

re: #198 Pie-onist Overlord

Steak & eggs is OK.
Cheese & eggs is OK. (in a different pan)

Steak & eggs & cheese ARE NOT OK all in one pan, or even served together from different pans.

That kills the kosher, right? You just don’t mix meat and dairy together.

201 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:05:01am

re: #200 Justanotherhuman

That kills the kosher, right? You just don’t mix meat and dairy together.

Meat + Dairy = NO NO

I can’t haz cheeseburger.

202 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:05:30am

Having a big sad this morning. Rest In Peace Shirley Temple Black. She was contemporary to my long departed Mom, and was far and away her favorite actress/personality out there. If you are about my age, you probably drank a “Shirley Temple” when out with the adults at a nice restaurant as a kid.

203 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:05:55am

Since we’re discussing dietary law, do Muslims have the same restrictions about mixing meat and dairy? I know pork is off the table, but I don’t know about any other forbidden items.

204 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:06:37am

BTW, that sacred rule about not washing cast iron ever? Wrong. I wash mine all the time.

Once a pan or pot is seasoned right, you can lightly wash it, just don’t soak it very long. A well-seasoned pan will not stick but act like a non-stick one, although you can still burn stuff which might stick.

I mean, do you really want nasty built up grease on your pans? I don’t.

205 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:06:50am

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Lodge also sells the cast-iron squisher for grilled cheeses.

I am in lurve with squishers.

206 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:07:27am
207 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:07:56am
208 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:09:30am

re: #201 Pie-onist Overlord

Meat + Dairy = NO NO

I can’t haz cheeseburger.

And here we come to the crux of my personal nuh-uh! about the kosher rules. (Even moreso than the bacon thing — I am an Internet Heretic.)

A loving Ceiling Cat wants us to haz cheezburger.

;)

209 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:09:42am

re: #204 Justanotherhuman

BTW, that sacred rule about not washing cast iron ever? Wrong. I wash mine all the time.

Once a pan or pot is seasoned right, you can lightly wash it, just don’t soak it very long. A well-seasoned pan will not stick but act like a non-stick one, although you can still burn stuff which might stick.

I mean, do you really want nasty built up grease on your pans? I don’t.

The rule for cleaning woks is to rinse with hot water, but no soap or detergent unless it’s really glommed up with grease or oil. A brush works better for cleaning than a sponge or dishrag. Then, return the wok to the burner to dry.

210 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:10:35am

re: #204 Justanotherhuman

BTW, that sacred rule about not washing cast iron ever? Wrong. I wash mine all the time.

Once a pan or pot is seasoned right, you can lightly wash it, just don’t soak it very long. A well-seasoned pan will not stick but act like a non-stick one, although you can still burn stuff which might stick.

I mean, do you really want nasty built up grease on your pans? I don’t.

I use a salt+water paste/scrub, rinse, then lightly apply a layer of oil.

211 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:10:40am

Chadu,

I brought my cast iron pan back from scrubbed out hell with a mix of olive and grape seed oils in the over at 400. Then it was butter for pancakes the next day.

212 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:12:44am

re: #211 Political Atheist

Chadu,

I brought my cast iron pan back from scrubbed out hell with a mix of olive and grape seed oils in the over at 400. Then it was butter for pancakes the next day.

I would have went straight with peanut.

The low smoke point of olive oil would have scared me (but that’s why you added the grape seed oil, no?).

213 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:13:52am

re: #208 chadu

And here we come to the crux of my personal nuh-uh! about the kosher rules. (Even moreso than the bacon thing — I am an Internet Heretic.)

A loving Ceiling Cat wants us to haz cheezburger.

;)

MOAR CHEEZBURGER FOR CHADU!!!

214 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:14:57am

re: #208 chadu

And here we come to the crux of my personal nuh-uh! about the kosher rules. (Even moreso than the bacon thing — I am an Internet Heretic.)

A loving Ceiling Cat wants us to haz cheezburger.

;)

Our non-resident daughter came to visit us in Israel during Pesach. Not only could she not haz cheeseburger, McDonalds served her hamburger on an egg-based ‘matzo’.

215 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:15:01am

Some idiot is now all butthurt that I mentioned David Duke is a Republican. HURR HURR BUT HE USED TO BE A DEMOCRAT!!!! DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!11!!!TY

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

216 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:15:37am

re: #198 Pie-onist Overlord

Steak & eggs is OK.
Cheese & eggs is OK. (in a different pan)

Steak & eggs & cheese ARE NOT OK all in one pan, or even served together from different pans.

Question: what about chicken & eggs? Does that fall under the “seething the kid in its mother’s milk” thing that is the “no meat + cheese” rule?

That rule would have an effect on my breaded chicken breasts…

217 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:15:46am

re: #214 Decatur Deb

Our non-resident daughter came to visit us in Israel during Pesach. Not only could she not haz cheeseburger, McDonalds served her hamburger on an egg-based ‘matzo’.

I would not eat at a McDonald’s ever.

218 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:16:27am

re: #216 chadu

Question: what about chicken & eggs? Does that fall under the “seething the kid in its mother’s milk” thing that is the “no meat + cheese” rule?

That rule would have an effect on my breaded chicken breasts…

Eggs can be eaten with anything! (unless you’re vegan, then NO EGGS FOR YOU.)

219 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:16:28am

re: #214 Decatur Deb

Our non-resident daughter came to visit us in Israel during Pesach. Not only could she not haz cheeseburger, McDonalds served her hamburger on an egg-based ‘matzo’.

That sounds interesting, actually.

220 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:16:32am

It is morning and it is still cold

Remember how the Chinese noble women used to carry little dogs in their sleeves? I think I know why.

They are sources of heat.

221 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:16:59am

re: #212 chadu

I would have went straight with peanut.

The low smoke point of olive oil would have scared me (but that’s why you added the grape seed oil, no?).

It’s a mix we buy at the store. I’d not use peanut as it’s not a neutral flavor, but maybe kidding myself- I guess all that goes away given the curing time in the oven.

222 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:18:30am

re: #218 Pie-onist Overlord

Eggs can be eaten with anything! (unless you’re vegan, then NO EGGS FOR YOU.)

AWESOME! (Except for the vegans!)

Now, I’m trying to figure out if rabbis are just more pro-mammal or anti-poultry, based on that rule.

(I would have been an even worse Jew than I am a Bad Catholic.)

;)

223 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:19:06am

re: #220 FemNaziBitch

It is morning and it is still cold

Remember how the Chinese noble women used to carry little dogs in their sleeves? I think I know why.

They are sources of heat.

Nope, Chuck Testa self-defense.

224 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:19:21am

re: #211 Political Atheist

Chadu,

I brought my cast iron pan back from scrubbed out hell with a mix of olive and grape seed oils in the over at 400. Then it was butter for pancakes the next day.

I prefer cast iron to any other metal for pots. I need the iron.

As I age, they’ve become so much heavier than they used to be. It takes two hands to lift one now.

225 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:19:39am

re: #221 Political Atheist

It’s a mix we buy at the store. I‘d not use peanut as it’s not a neutral flavor, but maybe kidding myself- I guess all that goes away given the curing time in the oven.

Feature, not bug. ;)

226 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:20:14am

re: #217 Pie-onist Overlord

I would not eat at a McDonald’s ever.

We were there while they were fighting to get their certification. In the end the battle came down to importation of potatoes from Idaho.

(Daughter 2 has insisted on McDs in every country she visits. It’s a ‘thing’.)

227 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:20:25am

re: #223 chadu

Nope, Chuck Testa self-defense.

Well, the little warm fuzzies were surely welcomein the winter!

228 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:20:59am

Okay, BBL, folks…

The long road to my living room and clipboard and standard to edit for the day beckons…

229 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:21:25am

Hello.

230 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:21:27am

Back when I still shopped at Whole Foods (I don’t go there any more since the idiot CEO made a big deal about treating his employees as shitty as Walmart), they had a vegan section which included non-dairy “cheese” and I was all like “Cool! Now I can haz cheezburger!”

But then I looked at the list of ingredients for this edible manufactured product and not only did it not contain any dairy, but it did not seem to even include any actual FOOD.

231 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:22:03am

re: #212 chadu

Smoke points for oils depends.

EVOO has a higher smoke point than the regular stuff.

Here’s a pretty comprehensive list.

I season my wok with sesame oil with a little canola added. I probably need to give a good workover outside, where the smoke isn’t an issue, but it’s not too bad for indoors. (and why does season my wok sound… well… dirty? /or is it just me)…

232 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:22:36am

re: #225 chadu

Feature, not bug. ;)

233 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:22:43am

re: #213 Pie-onist Overlord

MOAR CHEEZBURGER FOR CHADU!!!

And Dr Lizardo.

234 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:23:05am

What’s the best oil to use for deep frying?

235 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:27:00am

re: #234 Pie-onist Overlord

What’s the best oil to use for deep frying?

Not hydraulic. (It killed a bunch of people in Vietnam.)

236 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:27:11am

re: #232 FemNaziBitch

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That’s nothing— not to brag so much, but I can still pick up all my cast iron with one hand at 73. : ) It’s why I still use them. At one point, I wanted to put them up, but then I figured lifting stuff like that from time to time would help me strengthen hands and arms because they’re weights.

I can still move my refrigerator and furniture by myself, too. After all, when you do something yourself all your life, you just get used to it.

237 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:27:58am
238 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:28:29am

re: #235 Decatur Deb

Not hydraulic. (It killed a bunch of people in Vietnam.)

Don’t know; never deep fry anything. Some swear by peanut oil, esp in the south for frying chicken.

239 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:28:43am

Mornn’ all. Good read here:

240 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:29:37am

re: #237 FemNaziBitch

And that’s why some of the best written female characters on tv or movies have been from Weedonverse.

241 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:29:51am

re: #238 Justanotherhuman

Don’t know; never deep fry anything. Some swear by peanut oil, esp in the south for frying chicken.

That’s what I heard from folks in KY. It has a high smoke point.

242 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:31:38am

re: #238 Justanotherhuman

Don’t know; never deep fry anything. Some swear by peanut oil, esp in the south for frying chicken.

Peanut oil is what you want for deep-frying a turkey as well.

243 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:32:03am

re: #85 Lidane

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As usual, Ben Carson, and the rest of the TeaParty & FoxNews idiots prove their complete ignorance of history.

The fascist Nazi Party’s rise to power was due to their reaction to the Weimar Republic’s progressive policies because of the effects of the Great Depression as well the financial strain of post-WWI reparations that Germany was forced to make.

Fast forward 70 years, and what political group is it that is extremely socially conservative, who repeatedly espouse “self-deportation” rhetoric toward non-white immigrants, and want to restrict basic rights of entire groups (whether it be racial or sexual orientation) of people who they consider to be “degenerate”? I wonder if Mr. Carson would be willing to make a side-by-side comparison with the number of outright white supremacists in his political movement versus any “progressive” organization.
Also, I don’t remember ANY progressive/liberal type who in the past 30+ years espoused the violent overthrow of our legally-elected government, not to mention numerous statements and images advocating the assassination of a sitting President - all of which happens on an almost-daily basis from the right-wingers.

244 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:32:09am

re: #238 Justanotherhuman

Don’t know; never deep fry anything. Some swear by peanut oil, esp in the south for frying chicken.

This is the Peanut Capital, so it’s big around here—especially for deep-frying turkeys. Wife uses corn or Canola (rapeseed).

245 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:33:54am

re: #204 Justanotherhuman

BTW, that sacred rule about not washing cast iron ever? Wrong. I wash mine all the time.

Once a pan or pot is seasoned right, you can lightly wash it, just don’t soak it very long. A well-seasoned pan will not stick but act like a non-stick one, although you can still burn stuff which might stick.

I mean, do you really want nasty built up grease on your pans? I don’t.

I have two 9” cast iron skillets. Can’t live without them. And like you, I wash them. But never submerged, I like to clean them when they are a little warm, a squirt of dish soap and I use a little soft scrubber pad. As soon as they dry, I pour a little canola/vegetable oil in them and take a paper towel and buff the oil into the surface until the surface is dry and has a nice sheen. Ready to go for then next time. It’s sort of like oiling a baseball glove. I’ve had them for well over 40 years. Bought them at a general store in Ohio’s Amish country. I wish I would have bought a larger one at the same time.

246 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:35:18am

re: #239 darthstar

One such tasty nugget from that article:

In any case, far from denigrating American intelligence we should applaud it. It helps catch terrorists, gangster and foreign spies. The oversight and scrutiny is the toughest in the world. America has taken the most elusive and lawless part of government and crammed it into a system of legislative and judicial control. America is also part of the world’s only successful no-spy agreement, with its close allies—notably Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Would Switzerland or Austria, say trust Germany enough to sign a no-spy deal? I suspect not.

Snowden’s published revelations include material that has nothing to do with his purported worries about personal privacy. They reveal how countries like Norway and Sweden spy on Russia. Why is it in the public interest to reveal how democracies spy on dictatorships? The Snowdenistas’ outrage is based on the fact that this spying takes place in cooperation with the NSA, the Great Satan of the intelligence world.

Other disclosures are similarly hard to justify. Why is it in the public interest to reveal how the NSA intercepts e-mails, phone calls, and radio transmissions of Taliban fighters in Pakistan, or to show that the agency is intensifying scrutiny on the security of that country’s nuclear weapons? Snowden even revealed details of how the NSA hacks into computers and mobile phones in China and Hong Kong.

The spin and hype surrounding these leaks has cast a harsh, distorting and damaging light on the intelligence agencies’ work. The damage is catastrophic. It dwarfs the damage done by the traitors of cold-war era. Our spymasters are aghast at the damage, but stay tight-lipped about details for fear of making matters worse.

I’d agree with the author who notes that the Snodwenistas are a bunch of naive fools, and there’s no reason to trust Snowden on anything - particularly about the storage and security of the documents he stole.

The NSA and US officials have to assume that anything Snowden touched is now in the hands of the Chinese and/or Russians, and that the compromise to those programs is significant.

And for what? To make claims that the US spied on US citizens (except that in most instances there were warrants and judicial oversight, not what Greenwald initially claimed), and to undermine US relations with allies, even though the spying had nothing to do with violations of US law (one of the excuses thrown around by Greenwald and Snowden was the lawlessness of the NSA, when the very opposite is true - there’s significant oversight involved).

247 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:35:32am
248 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:37:49am

re: #246 lawhawk

It’s also a very well-written argument. Would be good to see the NY Times or the Washington Post pick it up and publish it. That would, of course, send GG off the rails.

249 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:38:00am

re: #246 lawhawk

I just read it. You’re right, it’s a good read and a fair assessment. GG and the Snowdenistas will all be butthurt, though.

250 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:38:07am

re: #248 darthstar

It’s also a very well-written argument. Would be good to see the NY Times or the Washington Post pick it up and publish it. That would, of course, send GG off the rails.

Is he even on the rails?

251 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:39:17am

To celebrate his victory on immigration reform, Boehner now doing the same with the debt ceiling…

252 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:39:51am

re: #245 ObserverArt

I have two 9” cast iron skillets. Can’t live without them. And like you, I wash them. But never submerged, I like to clean them when they are a little warm, a quirt of dish soap and I use a little soft scrubber pad. As soon as they dry, I pour a little canola/vegetable oil in them and take a paper towel and buff the oil into the surface until the surface is dry and has a nice sheen. Ready to go for then next time. It’s sort of like oiling a baseball glove. I’ve had them for well over 40 years. Bought them at a general store in Ohio’s Amish country. I wish I would have bought a larger one at the same time.

You’re doing it exactly right. The main rule is, or should be—even when a pan is “cured”, never put cast iron up until it’s completely dry. I’ve been known to put mine on a low heat to dry out before I oiled and wiped it down. Last night, I left the frying pan on the stove with the lid to one side after use and let it dry out completely overnight, putting it up this morning.

253 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:40:37am

re: #251 darthstar

To celebrate his victory on immigration reform, Boehner now doing the same with the debt ceiling…

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Oops…misread that. Thought they were stepping over the ledge. Looks like they’re stepping away from it.

254 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:40:38am

What a fucking idiot.

255 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:40:39am

re: #243 RadicalModerate

As usual, Ben Carson, and the rest of the TeaParty & FoxNews idiots prove their complete ignorance of history.

The fascist Nazi Party’s rise to power was due to their reaction to the Weimar Republic’s progressive policies because of the effects of the Great Depression as well the financial strain of post-WWI reparations that Germany was forced to make.

Fast forward 70 years, and what political group is it that is extremely socially conservative, who repeatedly espouse “self-deportation” rhetoric toward non-white immigrants, and want to restrict basic rights of entire groups (whether it be racial or sexual orientation) of people who they consider to be “degenerate”? I wonder if Mr. Carson would be willing to make a side-by-side comparison with the number of outright white supremacists in his political movement versus any “progressive” organization.
Also, I don’t remember ANY progressive/liberal type who in the past 30+ years espoused the violent overthrow of our legally-elected government, not to mention numerous statements and images advocating the assassination of a sitting President - all of which happens on an almost-daily basis from the right-wingers.

Carson can’t and won’t do a comparison of liberal/progressive organizations with white supremacists because I suspect he knows he’s being intellectually dishonest. Really, I don’t know how these right wing idiots criticize us for embracing multi-culturalism and yet want to call us the heirs of the Nazis in the same breath. And for what it’s worth while I disdain their worldview, i don’t think they are either but then again unlike FNC and its viewers I feel I can disagree with someone without seeing them as the heirs to the Nazis and fascist movements of the 30’s.

256 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:40:56am

re: #215 Pie-onist Overlord

Some idiot is now all butthurt that I mentioned David Duke is a Republican. HURR HURR BUT HE USED TO BE A DEMOCRAT!!!! DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!11!!!TY

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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David Duke has been a Republican since the 1980s, when he switched over along with all the other “Dixiecrats”. He was a Republican state senator, and ran for Louisiana Governor in 1991 as a member of the Republican Party, The fact that he actually made it to a run-off, and carried most northern Louisiana parishes while running on a outright racist platform was a primary reason that moved away from that area more than 20 years ago.

257 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:41:06am

re: #251 darthstar

To celebrate his victory on immigration reform, Boehner now doing the same with the debt ceiling…

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Note that the bill was posted last night and scheduled for a vote tomorrow, which means it didn’t make it a full day before he yanked it due to insufficient votes.

258 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:42:02am

Blocked the fucking idiot.

259 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:43:05am

The Dutch are totally owning the speed skating event.

260 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:44:07am

re: #256 RadicalModerate

David Duke has been a Republican since the 1980s, when he switched over along with all the other “Dixiecrats”. He was a Republican state senator, and ran for Louisiana Governor in 1991 as a member of the Republican Party, The fact that he actually made it to a run-off, and carried most northern Louisiana parishes while running on a outright racist platform was a primary reason that moved away from that area more than 20 years ago.

He made it so far in the Republican party that President H.W Bush and the Republican establishment in Louisiana had to disawow his candidacy. Anyhow, would love to know what this twit thinks about Jesse Helms who got six terms in office by being a modern version of the Strom Thurmond who ran for president in ‘48. I still subscribe to the belief that civil rights is and was about ideology. A lot of old right wing dixiecrats refused to join the GOP because they still blamed the GOP for the “War of Northern Aggression.”

261 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:44:36am

re: #257 Targetpractice

Note that the bill was posted last night and scheduled for a vote tomorrow, which means it didn’t make it a full day before he yanked it due to insufficient votes.

262 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:46:07am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

He made it so far in the Republican party that President H.W Bush and the Republican establishment in Louisiana had to disawow his candidacy. Anyhow, would love to know what this twit thinks about Jesse Helms who got six terms in office by being a modern version of the Strom Thurmond who ran for president in ‘48. I still subscribe to the belief that civil rights is and was about ideology. A lot of old right wing dixiecrats refused to join the GOP because they still blamed the GOP for the “War of Northern Aggression.”

HURR HURR!!!! ROBERT BYRD!!!!! HURR HURR!!!!!! GEORGE WALLACE!!!!! DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!!!11!!TY

263 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:47:19am

re: #261 darthstar

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Hopefully that means an end to the “dollar for dollar” silliness, but I doubt it. We only get a reprieve until next March, then it’s back to the same games.

264 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:47:41am
265 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:48:08am

Wow, I haven’t “been a Republican” since I was in the 5th grade and we wore “I Like Ike” buttons.

It was a catchy campaign slogan.

266 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:48:30am

re: #253 darthstar

Oops…misread that. Thought they were stepping over the ledge. Looks like they’re stepping away from it.

But he’s not doing it the way the moderate-ish GOP would want—without Dem votes. Instead he has to trash the Hastert rule again.

267 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:48:43am

re: #263 Targetpractice

Hopefully that means an end to the “dollar for dollar” silliness, but I doubt it. We only get a reprieve until next March, then it’s back to the same games.

With the GOP shooting itself in the foot over Immigration Reform, next March might not be such a big deal…could have a more balanced house by then.

268 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:49:11am

re: #262 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! ROBERT BYRD!!!!! HURR HURR!!!!!! GEORGE WALLACE!!!!! DEMOCRATS!!!!!!!!!11!!TY

Yeah it’s the obsession with looking at civil rights history with party labels and not nuances. The sad story though is if the Civil Rights movement was around now, I don’t think as many Republicans would have embraced it as they did in the 50’s and 60’s. That party’s pandered to a base that are the descendants of the people who were furious at integration.

269 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:50:08am

re: #265 Justanotherhuman

Wow, I haven’t “been a Republican” since I was in the 5th grade and we wore “I Like Ike” buttons.

It was a catchy campaign slogan.

Ha, who didn’t like Ike then though?

270 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:50:28am

How soon before the TP goes and claims that Boehner sold out and the TP-establishment fight resumes anew?

Anyone?

I give the over/under at 15 minutes.

271 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:52:00am

re: #267 darthstar

With the GOP shooting itself in the foot over Immigration Reform, next March might not be such a big deal…could have a more balanced house by then.

Hard to say right now. What I do know is that immigration reform is pretty much dead, at least for this year. The base was pretty livid when the GOP released it’s “principles” a week ago, and a debt ceiling surrender is only going to further draw their ire.

272 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:52:18am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

He made it so far in the Republican party that President H.W Bush and the Republican establishment in Louisiana had to disawow his candidacy. Anyhow, would love to know what this twit thinks about Jesse Helms who got six terms in office by being a modern version of the Strom Thurmond who ran for president in ‘48. I still subscribe to the belief that civil rights is and was about ideology. A lot of old right wing dixiecrats refused to join the GOP because they still blamed the GOP for the “War of Northern Aggression.”

Yep.
Something else that should be brought up to the DEMS UR RASISTS! idiots.

When David Duke ran for political office as a Democrat, his vote total was around 0.04% (four-hundredths of one percent).
When he ran as a Republican, he got the highest vote total of any Republican running.

Which party is it again who identify with his racist ideals?

273 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:53:05am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

When you look at the votes for civil rights (and current opposition to expanding civil rights protections to other classes) on a geographical basis, there’s a whole different game at play.

It’s the Southern States that continue to large oppose, regardless of what party label you’ve attached. It’s almost like a certain war of Southern Secession never happened from the rhetoric and ahistorical positions taken.

274 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:54:34am

Good morning Lizards.

Cold and sunny in Philadelphia with clouds, snow, rain, cats and dogs living together, coming up in the next couple of days.

Last couple of essays on Stonekettle Station have been a bit inward looking. And also some of Jim Wright’s buttons being pushed I think.

stonekettle.com

I am sort of mixed in my reaction to the last two entries. I agree pretty heartily in that one needs to define oneself and not let one be labeled (and thus to a degree controlled) by others. However, you also need to be responsive to others since you are part of a community and not on an island. It seems to hinge on one deciding to take responsibility and acting that way due to it being right in their own eyes. But how does this apply for a community when someone reaches a self-definition that essentially comes out as rude and asshole behavior?

The more recent essay brings out one of the main issues with social networks - the abuse of said labels, use of them to short circuit discussion, and the ease by which mob mentality rises and then abuses people. And people do abuse this since they do not want to have discussion or take the time to understand opposing viewpoints. Easier to hypocritically toss out a label and unleash the hounds. And as above, how about cases when the target has actually been an asshole? The cases start to blur since how can you tell when someone is being unfairly labeled, and when someone has acted in ways that make the label valid in their case?

275 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:54:41am

re: #269 HappyWarrior

Ha, who didn’t like Ike then though?

Yes, half a dozen year after the war and he was considered a war hero and someone who could lead the country forward.

Funny how today’s Republicans never talk about him.

276 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:55:05am

bbl

277 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:55:15am

re: #273 lawhawk

When you look at the votes for civil rights (and current opposition to expanding civil rights protections to other classes) on a geographical basis, there’s a whole different game at play.

It’s the Southern States that continue to large oppose, regardless of what party label you’ve attached. It’s almost like a certain war of Southern Secession never happened from the rhetoric and ahistorical positions taken.

Yeah geography is probably the biggest factor I’d say after ideology. VB I think though has made a wonderful point about the GOP. In 1964, the year CRA was passed they nominated an opponent of the bill for president. The next year the Dems nominated Humphrey who famously urged the party to get out of the shadows of states rights and into the sunshine of human rights and this was ‘1948.

278 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:56:41am

re: #272 RadicalModerate

Yep.
Something else that should be brought up to the DEMS UR RASISTS! idiots.

When David Duke ran for political office as a Democrat, his vote total was around 0.04% (four-hundredths of one percent).
When he ran as a Republican, he got the highest vote total of any Republican running.

Which party is it again who identify with his racist ideals?

Right I believe Duke got over 40% running as a Republican. Likewise, I think if Duke ran in a liberal state like California, he would be lucky to get even ten percent of the vote.

279 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:57:03am

re: #272 RadicalModerate

Yep.
Something else that should be brought up to the DEMS UR RASISTS! idiots.

When David Duke ran for political office as a Democrat, his vote total was around 0.04% (four-hundredths of one percent).
When he ran as a Republican, he got the highest vote total of any Republican running.

Which party is it again who identify with his racist ideals?

I just blocked that “SharpestJim” dumbfuck but you can have a go at him if you want.

280 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:57:06am

re: #271 Targetpractice

Primary everyone in the GOP!

281 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:57:16am

re: #270 lawhawk

How soon before the TP goes and claims that Boehner sold out and the TP-establishment fight resumes anew?

Anyone?

I give the over/under at 15 minutes.

Grumblings of such over at RedState and FR already, and that was earlier this morning, before the surrender had been announced. Apparently the GOP leadership was signaling as early as Sunday that they’d rather fight over the continuing resolution than the debt ceiling.

282 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:58:06am

Wow. I just Googled “David Duke Republican” and a blast-o from the past-o showed up third in the search results.

283 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:59:24am

re: #202 Political Atheist

Having a big sad this morning. Rest In Peace Shirley Temple Black. She was contemporary to my long departed Mom, and was far and away her favorite actress/personality out there. If you are about my age, you probably drank a “Shirley Temple” when out with the adults at a nice restaurant as a kid.

This still happens. My daughter (now 17) used to order them all the time.

284 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:00:13am

re: #265 Justanotherhuman

Wow, I haven’t “been a Republican” since I was in the 5th grade and we wore “I Like Ike” buttons.

It was a catchy campaign slogan.

At least Ike was worthy of being liked. And as history has proved, his last state of the union address was very prescient. A speech everyone should read.

Hmm…I wonder if Dickless Cheney read it, or used it as a guide?

I wanted to do t-shirts that said: Abe, Teddy and Ike…Republicans I could like!

Then I figured with today’s level of political knowledge all it would do is cause people to go “Who’s Teddy?” “Abe, wha’?” Ike???

I wanted to do shirts back in the 70’s just after Nixon went to China that had a big ol’ building sprawling into the Chinese hillsides that said “The Great Mall of China.”

Another: “We win the cold war” with a Coke logo and bottle and a Levis logo with some jeans. I always figured America would win out with marketing ideas.

Heh, I’ve always been a little political with my graphic arts ideas and I used to silkscreen shirts for local bands in my basement while going to art college.

285 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:01:08am

286 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:02:00am


All the GOP plans essentially start from the same place - repealing Obamacare before implementing some lesser version of the law that increases costs to the consumer, reduces the number of insureds, or otherwise rolls back the protections imposed by ACA on insurers to provide insurance that actually protects the insureds.

But the GOP is still playing word games trying to claim that their goal isn’t destroying Obamacare; so they’ll attempt to trot out plans that look like they’re fixing Obamacare, but the details give away the game. It’s still the same delay, defund, destroy ACA that they’ve been pushing since 2009.

287 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:02:23am

re: #283 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

This still happens. My daughter (now 17) used to order them all the time.

I remember ordering Roy Rogers which I believe is just the same drink but something a boy orders. I never saw any of her movies but she was a legend for sure. Ended up being a diplomat later too in the Nixon, Reagan, and Bush I administrations.

288 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:02:31am

re: #280 darthstar

Primary everyone in the GOP!

289 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:03:15am


I’d be all smiles, though…

290 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:03:51am

re: #272 RadicalModerate

Yep.
Something else that should be brought up to the DEMS UR RASISTS! idiots.

When David Duke ran for political office as a Democrat, his vote total was around 0.04% (four-hundredths of one percent).
When he ran as a Republican, he got the highest vote total of any Republican running.

Which party is it again who identify with his racist ideals?

The Dems!!! Silly.

/// you ain’t gonna change those tiger’s stripe, no way, no how.

291 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:04:14am

re: #286 lawhawk

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All the GOP plans essentially start from the same place - repealing Obamacare before implementing some lesser version of the law that increases costs to the consumer, reduces the number of insureds, or otherwise rolls back the protections imposed by ACA on insurers to provide insurance that actually protects the insureds.

But the GOP is still playing word games trying to claim that their goal isn’t destroying Obamacare; so they’ll attempt to trot out plans that look like they’re fixing Obamacare, but the details give away the game. It’s still the same delay, defund, destroy ACA that they’ve been pushing since 2009.

They’re never going to make any progress if this continues to be their obsession while the signer of Obamacare remains in office. It’s like this is the only thing the Republicans think about. If they were truly smart, they’d look at the polls and realize that people like ACA, they don’t love it. So why not run on a platform of improving it. Oh wait, that would mean not being a party of vindictive dicks who are upset because other people now are insured. I thought this was the Republican party of Nixon that still had some humanity left.

292 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:04:59am

re: #286 lawhawk

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All the GOP plans essentially start from the same place - repealing Obamacare before implementing some lesser version of the law that increases costs to the consumer, reduces the number of insureds, or otherwise rolls back the protections imposed by ACA on insurers to provide insurance that actually protects the insureds.

But the GOP is still playing word games trying to claim that their goal isn’t destroying Obamacare; so they’ll attempt to trot out plans that look like they’re fixing Obamacare, but the details give away the game. It’s still the same delay, defund, destroy ACA that they’ve been pushing since 2009.

Case in point, the “alternative” released a couple weeks back in the Senate, which at even first glance was a non-starter. For a party that is so against new spending, the GOP certainly does love the idea of tax credits as a way to “encourage” people to adopt certain behavior. And “paying” for those by capping the employer deduction on health insurance is laughter inducing when you consider how much they’ve screamed that businesses are getting rid of health insurance due to the ACA.

293 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:05:37am
294 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:06:14am

re: #264 darthstar

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What I miss?

295 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:08:21am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

They’re never going to make any progress if this continues to be their obsession while the signer of Obamacare remains in office.

They don’t care about progress. They don’t care about anything but being vindictive assholes. When Obama got elected in 2008, they made it their mission to make him a one-term president. They failed. Now they’re just determined to oppose him until he leaves office no matter the cost.

It’s like this is the only thing the Republicans think about.

Because it pretty much is.

296 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:08:27am

re: #294 Varek Raith

What I miss?

Boehner capitulating on debt ceiling. At least that’s what Town Hall calls it.

I call it victory!

297 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:08:32am

Morning weather update. It’s not looking good for the Southeast, with snow and freezing rain/ice in the forecast before coming up the Northeast:


NYC metro area? NWS is predicting the potential for 6 inches or more for the area; more inland than by coastal areas.

I’m hoping that it stays cold for the snow; really can’t take more ice and the heavy slushy snow variety.

298 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:08:51am

re: #294 Varek Raith

What I miss?

There appears to be a state visit…and it isn’t a disaster.

washingtonpost.com

299 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:09:10am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

He made it so far in the Republican party that President H.W Bush and the Republican establishment in Louisiana had to disawow his candidacy. Anyhow, would love to know what this twit thinks about Jesse Helms who got six terms in office by being a modern version of the Strom Thurmond who ran for president in ‘48. I still subscribe to the belief that civil rights is and was about ideology. A lot of old right wing dixiecrats refused to join the GOP because they still blamed the GOP for the “War of Northern Aggression.”

He also ran as a Republican during the 1992 presidential primaries. Seeing his name along with Pat Buchanan’s on the Mass. primary ballot was one of the things that soured me on the party.

300 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:09:18am

re: #295 Lidane

They don’t care about progress. They don’t care about anything but being vindictive assholes. When Obama got elected in 2008, they made it their mission to make him a one-term president. They failed. Now they’re just determined to oppose him until he leaves office no matter the cost.

Because it pretty much is.

It’s going to bite them in the ass. Normally I wouldn’t care but this childish fit is coming at the cost of the country.

301 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:10:17am

re: #299 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

He also ran as a Republican during the 1992 presidential primaries. Seeing his name along with Pat Buchanan’s on the Mass. primary ballot was one of the things that soured me on the party.

Didn’t Pat B end up winning the New Hampshire primary the next time? Yeah the “Live Free or die state” thought the closest the Republican party has ever had to an outright fascist was a good idea for a nominee.

302 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:10:47am

Not a loaf of bread to be had today in Lincolnton, NC.

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303 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:11:21am

re: #287 HappyWarrior

I remember ordering Roy Rogers which I believe is just the same drink but something a boy orders. I never saw any of her movies but she was a legend for sure. Ended up being a diplomat later too in the Nixon, Reagan, and Bush I administrations.

Shirley Temple is ginger ale and grenadine with a cherry garnish; Roy Rogers replaces the ginger ale with cola.

304 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:11:59am

Oh, this is going to be fun. Cue the Freeper outrage:

305 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:12:49am

Tee hee, this is funny!

Bread aisle at Walmart in Denver, NC.

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306 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:13:14am
307 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:13:20am

re: #305 Justanotherhuman

Tee hee, this is funny!

Bread aisle at Walmart in Denver, NC.

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Let them eat cake.

308 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:13:34am

re: #304 Lidane

Oh, this is going to be fun. Cue the Freeper outrage:

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And since there was talk that at least 150 votes existed to pass yesterday’s bill, finding 18 willing to put this madness to bed should not be a struggle.

I’m surprised, I figured Boehner would hold out til at least early afternoon before he gave up the game.

309 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:14:02am

re: #303 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Shirley Temple is ginger ale and grenadine with a cherry garnish; Roy Rogers replaces the ginger ale with cola.

Ah that’s right. I remember liking getting a Rogers since I loved the cherry garnish. And then Dad tells me those aren’t as healthy as regular cherries. Rats and they’re sweeter too and no pit!

310 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:14:13am

re: #305 Justanotherhuman

ZOMG, snow is coming! Ethel, run to the store and buy all the bread you can fit in the car!

311 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:14:27am

re: #305 Justanotherhuman

Tee hee, this is funny!

Bread aisle at Walmart in Denver, NC.

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You’d think it was the apocalypse.

312 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:14:40am

This is beautiful, though. Sunrise this am in Gastonia, NC.

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313 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:14:59am

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Ah that’s right. I remember liking getting a Rogers since I loved the cherry garnish. And then Dad tells me those aren’t as healthy as regular cherries. Rats and they’re sweeter too and no pit!

When I was really small I used to make sandwiches with white bread, maraschino cherries and butter. Until my parents caught me at it.

314 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:15:07am
315 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:15:41am

re: #313 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

When I was really small I used to make sandwiches with white bread, maraschino cherries and butter. Until my parents caught me at it.

Brilliant.

316 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:16:39am

RINOS! ALL OF THEM!!!!

317 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:20:23am

re: #314 darthstar

Our members aren’t [all batcrap] crazy. Yeah, Speaker Boehner, that ad writes itself.

You’ve just indicated that those who vote against the debt ceiling deal are, in fact, crazy. Thank you for recognizing what we’ve noted for a while, that the GOP is completely unhinged from reality and that the only thing they want is to see the President hurt politically at all costs, even if it destroys the economy in the process.

The GOP shutdown should have been a lesson in humility for the GOP, but we continue to see that the TP extortionists still can’t get the hang of governing. So, they’re railing against Boehner, who just wants to play out the string.

318 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:21:36am

Maraschino cherries (and pecans) were the reason(s) I started really liking fruitcake.

One thing leads to another…and I have maraschinos in the fridge right now. Mmm. Put them in thumbprint sugar cookies. Pecans, too. Nibble around the edges until you get to the center of the cookies. Wham!

319 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:22:00am

re: #304 Lidane

18 Repubs are going to get an F from Heritage Action and Club For Growth.

320 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:23:45am

re: #319 Bulworth

18 Repubs are going to get an F from Heritage Action and Club For Growth.

And primary threats from the teabaggers.

321 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:27:18am

Pat McCrory finally does something for the State of NC.

322 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:29:16am

re: #318 Justanotherhuman

Maraschino cherries (and pecans) were the reason(s) I started really liking fruitcake.

One thing leads to another…and I have maraschinos in the fridge right now. Mmm. Put them in thumbprint sugar cookies. Pecans, too. Nibble around the edges until you get to the center of the cookies. Wham!

I actually lost my taste for maraschinos as I got older. Probably had something to do with my youthful overindulgence. I don’t think I’ve eaten one in 10 years.

My daughter can do that trick of tying a knot in a maraschino stem with her tongue, but I’ve never tried it.

323 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:29:56am

*sigh*

324 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:34:54am

re: #323 Lidane

*sigh*

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Party of Lincoln Jeff Davis.

325 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:35:48am

Of course, I should mention that State trucks were sent out overnight on Sun-Mon am and brined the roads, so they are going to have to re-brine them for the actual storm, most of which will happen tomorrow, as it turns out.

It’s moving more slowly than expected. Now they say also expect high winds and power failures.

326 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:37:56am

re: #320 Lidane

And primary threats from the teabaggers.

There’ll be more than than 18 voting more it, to ensure a safety margin, but those 18 will be either well-funded and popular incumbents, representing districts where the Tea Party is weak, or those from states where the filing deadline for the primary has already passed.

327 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:39:24am

Doesn’t seem to be much reaction yet from the usual suspects to the latest GOP surrender, but I’m guessing that’s because they need to get their talking points in order first. I’ll go ahead and predict that they’ll excuse themselves from this embarrassment by finding some way to blame Democrats.

328 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:40:11am

All the utility trucks sent up to NJ and PA to deal with the ice storm here from down South are being recalled, because of the major storm about to hit there.

Meanwhile, forecasters in NYC metro are starting to worry me with their latest forecasts.


Channel 7 has been pretty good with forecasts this season, but Channel 11 has been better IMO.

The difference in the two forecasts so far? Channel 7 has real tight banding - you’re either going to get hammered, or you’re not seeing a whole lot of snow (the temps on LI will keep the snow totals down). Channel 11 has more snow over the entire area, with increases as you move north and west from NYC (suggesting the temps will be low enough for the entire area to get significant snow).

329 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:40:45am

Ouch. Just hoping my rent doesn’t go up or if it does, just a little bit.

330 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:41:20am

re: #323 Lidane

Right-wing groups including Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform are also working to defeat the union drive; billboards from ATR’s Center for Worker Freedom warn workers that “The UAW spends millions to elect liberal politicians, including BARACK OBAMA” and (quoting Reuters) that “almost every job lost at U.S. car factories in the last 30 years has occurred at a unionized company …” The Center for Worker Freedom is directed by Matt Patterson, the co-author of a May Op-Ed that described the UAW drive as “an invading union force from the North,” and said that “the people of Tennessee routed such a force in the Battle of Chickamauga,” when the Confederate Army stymied “an invading Union army” during the Civil War. “Let their descendants go now and do likewise,” he urged. (ATR did not respond to a Friday inquiry.)

But wasn’t the Confederate Army itself a form of collective action, a coercive entity, a kind of, uh, “union” of people organized to accomplish an objective?

331 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:41:26am
332 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:42:38am

re: #330 Bulworth

But wasn’t the Confederate Army itself a form of collective action, a coercive entity, a kind of, uh, “union” of people organized to accomplish an objective?

They were brave American patriots fighting a tyrannical President from Illinois!

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333 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:42:38am

re: #328 lawhawk

Um, Amy Freeze?

334 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:47:30am

re: #333 Bulworth

Yeah, she’s a real forecaster in NYC metro.

But hardly the only one with a weather name.

Years back there was Dr. Frank Field, and his son, Storm Field. Both were forecasters in NYC metro.

Now? We’ve got Amy Freeze (her dad, of course, was Mr. Freeze).

335 aagcobb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:47:42am

re: #327 Targetpractice

Doesn’t seem to be much reaction yet from the usual suspects to the latest GOP surrender, but I’m guessing that’s because they need to get their talking points in order first. I’ll go ahead and predict that they’ll excuse themselves from this embarrassment by finding some way to blame Democrats.

The Democrats’ refusal to get out-of-control spending reigned in has forced us to borrow even more money from our children, otherwise the Democrats’ refusal to increase the debt limit responsibly would’ve destroyed the economy.

336 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:49:05am
337 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:51:16am

re: #332 Lidane

They were brave American patriots fighting a tyrannical President from Illinois!

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HURR HURRRRR!!!! DEMOCRATZ IS TEH REAL RACISSTSSSS!!!!!!

338 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:55:07am

Iranian cartoon update: Baghdad newspaper bombed after cartoon of Iran’s Supreme Leader

Reporters Without Borders condemns yesterday morning’s bomb attack on the downtown Baghdad headquarters of the Al-Sabah Al-Jadid newspaper, five days after it published a much criticized cartoon of Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei. The explosion caused a great deal of damage but no injuries.

The offending cartoon illustrated an article in the newspaper’s 6 February issue, which was about the demonstrations being organized this week to mark the 34th anniversary of Iran’s Islamic Revolution and which criticized Mohammed Hidari, an Iraqi mullah who supports the Iranian regime.

339 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:56:27am

re: #334 lawhawk

Yeah I remember Storm Field. Hard to top that name for a weather forecaster.

340 Mattand  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:07:17am

re: #328 lawhawk

All the utility trucks sent up to NJ and PA to deal with the ice storm here from down South are being recalled, because of the major storm about to hit there.

Meanwhile, forecasters in NYC metro are starting to worry me with their latest forecasts.

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Channel 7 has been pretty good with forecasts this season, but Channel 11 has been better IMO.

The difference in the two forecasts so far? Channel 7 has real tight banding - you’re either going to get hammered, or you’re not seeing a whole lot of snow (the temps on LI will keep the snow totals down). Channel 11 has more snow over the entire area, with increases as you move north and west from NYC (suggesting the temps will be low enough for the entire area to get significant snow).

My only two hopes at this point are that the snow is powdery like Sunday, and the snow blower doesn’t keel over.

341 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:14:43am

I think this is the dumbest twerp on Teh Twitters:

342 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:14:49am

Sad news this morning, Shirley Temple has died. Best remembered as a child movie star, she had a long and full adult life as a diplomat, wife and mother. RIP

343 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:16:49am

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

Any clue what gun the guy on the left is firing? Damn thing sounds like a cannon.
Liveleak Video

344 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:17:43am

re: #340 Mattand

Yeah, mine as well. I’ve got an electric one since I don’t have a large area to contend with, it’s flat, and I can hit all areas with a 50 foot cord (and don’t want to mess with having to deal with a gas engine and all that entails). But it’s crying out for help with all the heavy wet snow we’ve gotten. Next move? A flamethrower.

345 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:18:04am

Let me try that video again….
Youtube Video

346 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:20:49am

re: #341 Pie-onist Overlord

I think this is the dumbest twerp on Teh Twitters:

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Wait so you want higher wages yet you want employers to be able to hypothetically pay their employees practically nothing. Wingnut economics makes my head hurt.

347 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:21:03am

re: #343 Killgore Trout

Any clue what gun the guy on the left is firing? Damn thing sounds like a cannon.
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Looks like M249 SAW

en.wikipedia.org

348 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:21:21am

The comments over at Breitbart re: the GOP plan to pass a clean debt limit hike are hilarious and predictable. Cries of ZOMG RINO and AIDING AND ABETTING everywhere. Fun times.

349 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:21:49am

re: #341 Pie-onist Overlord

Before America needs a minimum wage hike it needs jobs - higher wages but fewer jobs is not a solution!#tcot
@marthamaccallum

Only a RWNJ could possibly root against Americans making more money and getting health care. It’s pretty sad that their party is so hellbent on seeing people suffer….really suffer. Health care is an essential part of life. Everyone needs health care. This is not partisanship, it’s a fact. And yet the GOP, which is turning further and further right, is so determined to undermine the needs for Americans whether it be health care, wages, feeding the poor and children, women’s choices, etc. I shudder at the thought of far right GOP president in 2016. This country won’t survive.

350 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:23:27am

HURR HURRRR!!!!! PAY THEM $1/HOUR, NO MOAR WELFARES, & MAKE THEM BUY EVERYTHING AT TEH COMPANY STOAR!!!!!1!!TY

351 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:23:35am

re: #340 Mattand

The European model is showing colder air, leading to more snow.

The GFS model is showing warmer temps, meaning snow turning to ice. The worst scenario IMO.

352 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:24:21am
353 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:25:15am

re: #347 Decatur Deb

Looks like M249 SAW

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks. It fires a 5.56×45mm NATO bullet cartridge. Pretty hefty for a “light’ machine gun

354 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:25:47am
355 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:25:58am

It used to be the argument was not to raise the minimum wage too often as to avoid inflation. This was the conservative position in the past and it’s actually close to the Dems position now. The conservative position now is to abolish the min wage entirely. More conservative devolution in action.

356 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:26:33am

re: #352 Pie-onist Overlord

Pay everyone $2.13 an hour and let them work for tips.

357 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:26:47am

re: #354 Lidane

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Red scares such a stupid black mark on our country’s history.

358 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:26:57am

Taliban suspected as hand grenades tear through Pakistan movie theater in Peshawar

A Pakistani intelligence official told CBS News the attack took place Tuesday afternoon when at least 50 people had gathered inside the Shama theater.

“All three grenades exploded in that part of the cinema where most of the film watchers were sitting. The casualty count is likely to go up further,” said the official, who spoke to CBS News on condition of anonymity.

Taliban militants have attacked Peshawar’s movie theaters in the past — the Islamic extremists consider movies and popular music sacrilegious.

359 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:28:47am

Twisting the knife:


Still not happy with Schumer’s plan to push immigration enforcement to 2017, but anything to further annoy the Freepers today is a good thing.

360 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:29:04am

re: #353 Killgore Trout

Thanks. It fires a 5.56×45mm NATO bullet cartridge. Pretty hefty for a “light’ machine gun

Same round that is chambered in the M4/M16/AR15….the weapon of choice of those who murder our children in schools and movie theatres…..and the same weapon that the RWNJs worship.

361 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:30:13am

re: #347 Decatur Deb

Looks like M249 SAW

en.wikipedia.org

Concur.

362 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:30:50am

re: #360 Dr. Matt

Same round that is chambered in the M4/M16/AR15….the weapon of choice of those who murder our children in schools and movie theatres…..and the same weapon that the RWNJs worship.

It sounds a lot bigger than AR 15 fire.

363 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:31:47am

re: #360 Dr. Matt

That’s the standard issue rifle in our military you’re talking about. Demonizing it or its cartridge in that fashion is out of line.

364 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:32:36am

For a sidebar, how about drivers who don’t read signs closely enough and think that their vehicle will fit where it just doesn’t belong.

theatlanticcities.com

And the sad thing is that the local DOT and the owner of the rail trestle think they’ve fixed the problem with enough signs, a crash bar, and that’s it. No attempt to actually fix the problem by raising the trestle or lowering the road (which apparently has a sewer that can’t be moved easily).

365 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:33:33am

re: #363 Dark_Falcon

That’s the standard issue rifle in our military you’re talking about. Demonizing it or its cartridge in that fashion is out of line.

Do you not understand that the military having assault weapons is different from civilians having assault weapons?

366 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:33:52am

re: #363 Dark_Falcon

I think that’s the point being made - that a weapon and ammo meant for military use has found frequent application in mass shootings across the country.

367 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:34:11am

How is it that some companies will ignore a job applicant for weeks and others will contact you in a matter of days? I just got an email from a recruiter for a company that I applied to over the weekend while a company that I did a follow-up screening for three weeks ago still hasn’t said a word. WTF.

368 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:34:27am

re: #363 Dark_Falcon

That’s the standard issue rifle in our military you’re talking about. Demonizing it or its cartridge in that fashion is out of line.

Waaahhhh. Give me a fucking break. I wasn’t demonizing it. I own one and carried one in the military.

369 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:35:14am

re: #365 Eclectic Cyborg

Do you not understand that the military having assault weapons is different from civilians having assault weapons?

What I heard was liberal anti-gun yurping.

370 aagcobb  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:35:17am

re: #349 Dr. Matt

This country won’t survive.

Sorry, I have to call you on that, though I assume you didn’t mean it literally, like the rwnjs who have been insisting the country wouldn’t survive Obama’s presidency. Yes a Tea Party President would be a disaster, but this country survived the Civil War, the Great Depression and WWII; fours years of another bad president won’t kill it.

371 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:35:59am

re: #367 Lidane

How is it that some companies will ignore a job applicant for weeks and others will contact you in a matter of days? I just got an email from a recruiter for a company that I applied to over the weekend while a company that I did a follow-up screening for three weeks ago still hasn’t said a word. WTF.

I don’t get it either. I applied to a position on Thursday. Basically a paying version with more responsibilities and obviously full time of what I’m doing now. Never thought I’d be doing HR stuff but if it pays the bills……..

372 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:36:22am

re: #369 Dark_Falcon

What I heard was liberal anti-gun yurping.

Of course you did. Typical politically correct conservative sensibilities.

373 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:36:23am

re: #367 Lidane

How is it that some companies will ignore a job applicant for weeks and others will contact you in a matter of days? I just got an email from a recruiter for a company that I applied to over the weekend while a company that I did a follow-up screening for three weeks ago still hasn’t said a word. WTF.

Safe to say you probably didn’t get that job. If they really wanted you, they wouldn’t have dragged their heels so long.

Welcome to the agonizing, frustrating, soul crushing wonderful world of job searching,

374 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:37:02am

re: #369 Dark_Falcon

What I heard was liberal anti-gun yurping.

Then your ears must be messed up I think.

375 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:37:20am

re: #373 Eclectic Cyborg

Safe to say you probably didn’t get that job. If they really wanted you, they wouldn’t have dragged their heels so long.

Welcome to the agonizing, frustrating, soul crushing wonderful world of job searching,

or as i call the past two years after graduation. And this shit is why I don’t have the blind faith in the private sector that many on the right seem to have.

376 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:37:31am

Ready! Fire! Aim!

377 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:38:45am

Maybe this item wasn’t lost, but tossed into the bear’s den.

German zoo’s polar bear swallows jacket, dies

bigstory.ap.org

I hate zoos.

378 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:38:45am

re: #376 Lidane

Ready! Fire! Aim!

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Yeah, think about that for a second, guys. Who would replace Boehner? There’s no wingnut in the House that could win over enough votes to take his spot, and without a candidate they can unify behind, the GOP is liable to fracture and allow Democrats to put Pelosi back in the speakership.

379 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:39:20am

HURR HURR!!!!1!!!

380 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:40:03am

re: #373 Eclectic Cyborg

Safe to say you probably didn’t get that job. If they really wanted you, they wouldn’t have dragged their heels so long.

Probably. It would still be nice to get a standard “thanks but we’re going with someone else” form letter. I won’t be heartbroken about losing that one, though. It was pretty much a call center job without actually being in a call center. I was looking at it as a filler gig until I got something better.

Welcome to the agonizing, frustrating, soul crushing wonderful world of job searching,

I’ve been here since October. I’m ready to leave. Blah.

381 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:40:22am

“Atomiktiger” who just called me a “Libtard” is the one who spams all the gun-fucking memes.

382 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:40:42am

re: #379 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!1!!!

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Says all you need to know about someone’s intellectual capabilities when they call you a libtard.

383 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:42:10am

Heh.

384 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:42:49am

re: #379 Pie-onist Overlord

HUH? Is right.
Not “white people” but #DEMOCRATS
They were the segregationists :)

Who are all now voting as GOPers. The party affiliation has changed in 100+ years, but the racism, classism, and policies of a certain segment of the population in the South haven’t.

385 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:42:56am

Atomiktiger is really butthurt about his stupid Rosa Parks meme.

386 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:43:09am

Heh.

387 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:45:17am

re: #384 lawhawk

Who are all now voting as GOPers. The party affiliation has changed in 100+ years, but the racism, classism, and policies of a certain segment of the population in the South haven’t.

Precisely. I mean what I love about this pathetic crap is in one breath they’re complaining about how the Dems support the federal government getting involved and then in the next breath they’re comparing them to an ideology rooted in states rights whether that was for slavery or later segregation. Pick a fucking narrative about us already. I’m either a Nazi KKKer or a multiculturalist chewing quinona while wearing flipflops listening to Phish.

388 Ian G.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:45:45am

re: #357 HappyWarrior

Red scares such a stupid black mark on our country’s history.

No dumber than the SOOPER SEKRIT KENYAN MUZLIM scare.

389 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:46:13am

re: #378 Targetpractice

Yeah, think about that for a second, guys. Who would replace Boehner? There’s no wingnut in the House that could win over enough votes to take his spot, and without a candidate they can unify behind, the GOP is liable to fracture and allow Democrats to put Pelosi back in the speakership.

That would be hilarious if that happened. Unlikely but it would be just desserts for the purer than thou who would lose their majority due to their own obsession with refusing to compromise.

390 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:46:36am

re: #388 Ian G.

No dumber than the SOOPER SEKRIT KENYAN MUZLIM scare.

Of course.

391 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:47:02am
392 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:47:52am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

or as i call the past two years after graduation. And this shit is why I don’t have the blind faith in the private sector that many on the right seem to have.

It’s like I said the other day. It’s easy to find a job if you’re willing to absolutely anything, including high pressure/low wage/no benefits position but actually trying find a decent job with a living wage? Sometimes it seems you’d have better luck trying to find Jimmy Hoffa.

393 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:47:57am

re: #386 Justanotherhuman

Heh.

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Erick, Son of Erick is on the warpath today. He’s decided that it’s not enough to vote against the legislation itself, any Republican who votes for the rule related to the bill will be treated the same as voting to raise the debt ceiling, even if they ultimately vote against the bill.

394 Ian G.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:48:39am

re: #391 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m completely fine with these imbeciles thinking that all liberals are either hippies dancing with a flute or “gangstas” and “welfare queens”. It means they won’t know what hit them in many an upcoming election, as was the case in 2012.

395 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:49:06am

GOHMERT FOR SPEAKER!! OR ALLEN WEST, YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE A MEMBER OF THE CONGRESSS TO BE ELECTED SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!!!!!1! ELECT WEST SPEAKER AND WATCH THE LIBTARDS HEAD’S EXPLODE!!

396 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:49:13am

re: #379 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!1!!!

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397 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:49:53am

re: #392 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s like I said the other day. It’s easy to find a job if you’re willing to absolutely anything, including high pressure/low wage/no benefits position but actually trying find a decent job with a living wage? Sometimes it seems you’d have better luck trying to find Jimmy Hoffa.

Precisely. I mean yeah I could get a job at a place like Harris Teeter but I wouldn’t be using the skill-set I’ve acquired. The other annoying thing that employers do to recent grads is just offer them internships. Agh. Sorry rambling but I am really hoping I get this position. It will give me a lot of freedom that I haven’t had.

398 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:50:21am

re: #395 b.d.

Ted Cruz for Speaker! You shouldn’t have to be in the House to run it.

//////////////////////

399 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:50:55am

re: #395 b.d.

GOHMERT FOR SPEAKER!! OR ALLEN WEST, YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE A MEMBER OF THE CONGRESSS TO BE ELECTED SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!!!!!1! ELECT WEST SPEAKER AND WATCH THE LIBTARDS HEAD’S EXPLODE!!

I’d welcome Gohmert being speaker since the dumb fuck would find out immediately that he doesn’t belong on a small town school board let alone a part of our national assembly.

400 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:51:34am

Beck for speaker, you don’t have to be sane or a House member!

401 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:51:42am

re: #393 Targetpractice

Erick, Son of Erick is on the warpath today. He’s decided that it’s not enough to vote against the legislation itself, any Republican who votes for the rule related to the bill will be treated the same as voting to raise the debt ceiling, even if they ultimately vote against the bill.

Erick, Son of Erick can go piss in the wind. Because that’s about what he wants is going. : )

Alternatively, perhaps his head will explode…

403 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:54:08am
404 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:54:33am

re: #396 Dark_Falcon

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You, as a defender of NRO’s racism (is there another way to interpret your downding on the previous thread?) have a warped sense of ‘ugly and hateful’.

405 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:54:35am

In which the right wing tries to demonize unions, because a handful may actually have had perks typically reserved for most CEOs of major corporations:


Yeah, a union boss with a plane doesn’t quite look right to a guy on the line, but the company CEO is still making far more coin than the union bigwigs, not to mention all the perks. They pay disparity doesn’t disappear because you cherry pick a union that happened to have a plane available for its top leaders. The company shareholders get rich on paying the bare minimum to workers who actually create the products being offered, and cry for givebacks when their own bad business decisions cost the company.

Look no further than AOL (a non union shop) where they complained that a couple of sickly babies cost the company enough (that would be about $2 million) to force changes on the 401k even though the CEO’s decision to go hyperlocal with Patch cost the company more than $200 million.

We’d just have to ignore that the company was self insured with reinsurance, so AOL wouldn’t suffer the “loss” - that’s what insurance is for, and the 401k changes would have deprived anyone at the company of benefits over the life of employment with the company because they’d lose out on the compounding of the match over time, and anyone who stopped working before the distribution date would lose out on that year’s match. From a view of trying to keep workers, there’s a certain logic to trying to retain workers, but the overall policy would simply send workers to companies with more favorable benefits.

406 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:54:36am

Speaking of guns: There’s no concealed carry in Chicago but these guys were unlucky enough to rob an off duty cop.
Off-duty sergeant fatally shoots teen during robbery (video)

407 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:55:47am

re: #401 Justanotherhuman

Erick, Son of Erick can go piss in the wind. Because that’s about what he wants is going. : )

Alternatively, perhaps his head will explode…

I’m curious as to who amongst the House GOP’s “conservative” caucus will ultimately vote for the rule just to be done with the whole mess.

408 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:55:59am

re: #402 Dark_Falcon

Bah. That’s nothing.

In Russia, tanks have right of way. Always. Even crossing highways.

Youtube Video

409 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:56:45am
410 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:57:02am

WTF? Reporters were told not to use any electronic devices, also, and to stand back.

411 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:57:14am

re: #403 Lidane

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Did someone not tell them that Reagan for all his faults opposed a law banning gay individuals from teaching? No, Putin’s not the next Reagan. Even someone who despises Reagan like me wouldn’t put Reagan and Putin in the same sentence. Putin is the new Castro actually when it comes to gays. So there you go Mr. Feder, you’re more like Fidel Castro then Ronald Reagan on LGBT rights. Good job. You look fabulous.

412 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:00:41am

FRC though does get at my big problem with the right on gay issues. This isn’t opposition to gay marriage which is awful by the way but opposition to seeing gays and lesbians as human beings who deserve equality and protection under the law. And teh fucks have the nerve to claim they’re persecuted when officials simply speak out for LGBT rights. Fascist fucks. The religious right is a blight on our country.

413 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:00:42am

re: #410 Justanotherhuman

WTF? Reporters were told not to use any electronic devices, also, and to stand back.

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Same story?
wsau.com

The Marathon-Oneida County Bomb Squad was dispatched to investigate the contents of the duffel bag. When they X-Rayed it, it turned out to be diapers.

Poop!

414 Gus  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:02:20am

re: #391 Pie-onist Overlord

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415 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:03:15am

re: #414 Gus

Because any or all of that is going to happen.

Fucking lunatics.

416 iossarian  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:03:19am

re: #414 Gus

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TREASON!

417 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:03:50am

re: #323 Lidane

*sigh*

You can’t make this up: GOPers urge auto workers to follow the example of the Confederate Army, resist unionization

Translation: Sell yourselves into slavery or we’ll do it for you.

418 Gus  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:03:51am

Heh. He’s also another “friend of Israel.”

419 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:04:13am

re: #414 Gus

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All over a health care reform law? Gee, I wonder what he would have wanted to do Obama if Iran-Contra happened on his watch.

420 Gus  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:04:49am

re: #419 HappyWarrior

All over a health care reform law? Gee, I wonder what he would have wanted to do Obama if Iran-Contra happened on his watch.

Claim it never happened?

421 Gus  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:05:29am

422 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:07:41am

re: #420 Gus

Claim it never happened?

Ha, I think you misunderstand. I am saying if something actually criminal like IC happened under Obama, what would be Mr. I want to publicly exucute POTUS want. How lame is it they’re up in arms over legislation that makes it easier for them to get insurance?

423 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:07:45am
424 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:08:09am

re: #421 Gus

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And for being REagan’s fall boy, Ollie very nearly well became my Senator. Conservative principles in action!

425 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:08:33am

re: #418 Gus

Heh. He’s also another “friend of Israel.”

Better than a “Friend of Hamas” I guess.

426 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:09:20am

re: #423 Pie-onist Overlord

Sure he has the freedom to use it, but the rest of us have the freedom to complain. How about that?

427 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:09:21am

re: #425 Eclectic Cyborg

Better than a “Friend of Hamas” I guess.

I’m a friend of Hummus. Does that mean anything?

428 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:09:30am

The gun-fucker is REALLY REALLY OUTRAGED that Dark took him to task for using the word “retard.”

429 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:10:00am

re: #426 Eclectic Cyborg

Sure he has the freedom to use it, but the rest of us have the freedom to complain. How about that?

You have the right to use racial slurs and I have the right to call you a racist prick who is still fighting the Civil War.

430 blueraven  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:10:14am

re: #413 Killgore Trout

Same story?
wsau.com

Poop!

Doubtful.
One is in Kansas City, one is in Wisconsin.

431 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:12:41am
432 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:12:58am
Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and other tech titans collectively added their names Monday to a growing list of websites and organizations supporting a digital day of protest Tuesday against the National Security Agency’s spy programs.

nationaljournal.com

Google, Facebook and Microsoft are demanding online privacy?

433 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:14:24am

Got back in touch with the recruiter that contacted me today. I’ve got a short phone interview with her at 3pm. My guess is that it’s an initial screen to see if they want me to come in person. We’ll see.

434 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:14:53am

re: #431 wrenchwench

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Woot. You tell em Guiterrez.

435 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:16:00am

Atomik is in a frenzied rage now. Thanks, Dark!

436 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:17:08am

re: #430 blueraven

Doubtful.
One is in Kansas, one is in Wisconsin.

Ah thanks. Nothing showing up yet on google news about Wisconsin.

437 Gus  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:19:34am

re: #435 Pie-onist Overlord

Atomik is in a frenzied rage now. Thanks, Dark!

linkedin.com

438 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:20:21am

re: #413 Killgore Trout

Same story?
wsau.com

Poop!

No, the other one was in Kansas City.

439 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:21:38am

re: #437 Gus

linkedin.com

That’s the gun-fucker?

440 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:22:47am

Keeping tabs by Doppler radar on this county. Appears in this part it will be maybe an hour or so before we see any flakes…

441 Gus  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:25:22am

re: #439 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s the gun-fucker?

Yep.

442 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:26:33am

re: #404 wrenchwench

You, as a defender of NRO’s racism (is there another way to interpret your downding on the previous thread?) have a warped sense of ‘ugly and hateful’.

I read Mark Kirikorian’s column, which RWW failed to provide a link to, and I didn’t find it to be racist at all. It was correct in saying that the deportation deferrals for illegal immigrants had had caused massive delays for those seeking a green card legally. Kirikorian did not defend Samuel Francis’ racism, but rather said that Francis had a workable definition of the result of the Obama Administration’s actions, which is not the same thing.

So I do defend Mark Kirikorian, wholeheartedly.

443 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:27:58am

re: #428 Pie-onist Overlord

The gun-fucker is REALLY REALLY OUTRAGED that Dark took him to task for using the word “retard.”

Yep, he spewed a stream of bile and invective. So I blocked him.

444 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:28:53am

re: #432 b.d.

Confused about what’s being protested here. The phone-gathering metadata stuff or something else?

445 Gus  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:29:09am

re: #439 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s the gun-fucker?

Here you go. This should piss him off even more.

Edited.

446 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:30:27am

re: #445 Gus

Here you go. This should piss him off even more.

I’m not doing that.

447 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:30:45am

re: #433 Lidane

Got back in touch with the recruiter that contacted me today. I’ve got a short phone interview with her at 3pm. My guess is that it’s an initial screen to see if they want me to come in person. We’ll see.

Fingers crossed for you!

448 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:31:10am

You don’t want to piss off the gun-fuckers too much, because: GUNS

449 Gus  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:31:15am

Welp. Later.

450 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:34:08am


Also,

#US officials tell NBC News administrations classified #drone strikes policy doesnt prohibit #CIA from conducting strikes against Americans

451 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:34:33am

re: #439 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s the gun-fucker?

Interestingly, he’s out of Seattle and he’s a 3rd degree contact of mine on LinkedIn (I’ve got thousands of those, so it’s not a big surprise). Hopefully blocking him on Twitter has ended the issue.

452 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:38:27am

HURR HURR!!!! TEH JRRB CREATORS IS SO GRATE, PEOPLE SHUD BE SO GREATFULL TO HAVE A JRRB FROM THEM FOUR NOTHING!!!1!!!!!! THEN THEY CAN CREEYATE TEH MOAR JRRBS!!!!1!!!

453 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:40:02am

re: #452 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! TEH JRRB CREATORS IS SO GRATE, PEOPLE SHUD BE SO GREATFULL TO HAVE A JRRB FROM THEM FOUR NOTHING!!!1!!!!!! THEN THEY CAN CREEYATE TEH MOAR JRRBS!!!!1!!!

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And no one is saying they haven’t done good things. We’re just saying that it’s stupid in a modern society for them to get paid 100 times more than the average worker and for them to have to pay little taxes.

454 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:40:30am

RE: HOLLANDE AND OBAMA REMARKS

455 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:40:41am

I mean if conservatives want to talk about high taxes, look at some of the stuff that Hollende has proopsed in France. If you think Clinton era tax brackets for the wealthy are too high, frankly gfy.

456 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:41:20am

re: #452 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! TEH JRRB CREATORS IS SO GRATE, PEOPLE SHUD BE SO GREATFULL TO HAVE A JRRB FROM THEM FOUR NOTHING!!!1!!!!!! THEN THEY CAN CREEYATE TEH MOAR JRRBS!!!!1!!!

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I remember when things like consumer demand created jobs. I guess that is an outdated concept nowadays.

457 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:41:38am

re: #448 Pie-onist Overlord

You don’t want to piss off the gun-fuckers too much, because: GUNS

Indeed. Posting someone’s photo on Twitter like that counts as a major escalation in my book. You’re basically telling them “I know who you are” and letting them know you can associate their real name with the ugly Twitter persona. That’s the kind of escalation that could drive an already enraged person into seeing you as a direct threat. Best not to do that.

458 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:41:50am

I see GG’s rag is back online.

What a nothing-burger.

459 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:41:52am

This is sure to p*ss off the wingnuts somehow:

460 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:42:50am

re: #459 b.d.

How much will this cost taxpayers?????!??!?!?11111

461 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:42:58am

re: #311 Varek Raith

People are idiots I swear. There were people in the store here yesterday with 2 or 3 carts loaded down. I left the store, we have enough food to get through til Sunday. My kid is home because the State of GA shut down his school as a precaution, The Husband works about 5 miles from here and will be home before the ice forms on the road. We’ve got food, we should probably get some more firewood, but I have a feeling there’s none to be had around here now. My big concern really is trees falling over from the ice load, which is the main thing that would take out the power. But really, 2 or 3 carts full of food? Who the hell even has that much room in their fridge, freezer or pantry? Idiots. The snow will be melted by Sunday, more likely Friday.

462 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:43:54am

re: #452 Pie-onist Overlord

As opposed to those who get rich without creating jobs…

463 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:44:03am

re: #459 b.d.

This is sure to p*ss off the wingnuts somehow:

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It will and we’ll see the stupid photo collages where Reagan at Pointe du Hoc is a true American patriot (wonderful speech there he made btw) and an unflattering photo of Obama. I’m sure Obama will give a wonderful speech for the occasion. Sad to know we’re losing more and more WWII vets daily. I know it’s a passage of time but it really makes me think about men like my great uncles who fought in the war all but one I never knew.

464 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:44:35am

re: #462 Bulworth

As opposed to those who get rich without creating jobs…

Or people who get rich by creating shit jrrbs, like the Waltons.

465 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:44:39am

re: #462 Bulworth

As opposed to those who get rich without creating jobs…

or those who get rich by destroying jobs.

466 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:44:40am

re: #440 Justanotherhuman

Keeping tabs by Doppler radar on this county. Appears in this part it will be maybe an hour or so before we see any flakes…

There already seems to be an overabundance of flakes in Twitter.
///

467 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:44:53am

re: #452 Pie-onist Overlord

Yes all those jobsz being created all around us!!!1

468 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:48:49am

This is embarrassing…

instagram.com

Don’t laugh!

469 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:49:41am

And there is this ever-popular meme, why do people keep Tweeting this shit? Is Tom Sowell such a libertarian prick, is he saying that nobody should pay taxes?

470 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:50:13am

Waiting for RW response on this one, too.

471 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:51:13am

re: #470 Justanotherhuman

Waiting for RW response on this one, too.

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They hate FRance. It’s the dudebro response I want ot know about since GG claims that Obama’s infuriated allies with NSA stuff.

472 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:51:54am

re: #442 Dark_Falcon

Kirikorian did not defend Samuel Francis’ racism, but rather said that Francis had a workable definition of the result of the Obama Administration’s actions, which is not the same thing.

So basically, you’re agreeing with a white supremacist’s definitions because an NRO writer quoted them? Come on Dark. You know better than that.

473 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:52:18am

Wingnuts keep pounding this idiotic meme of HURR HURR!!!!! TEH LIBRULS WANTS EVERYWUN 2 QUIT THERE JRRBS AND TAKE ALL TEH WELFARES FROM TEH HARD WURKIN JRRB-CREEYATIN CONSERVATIFS!!!!1!!!!

474 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:52:59am

re: #455 HappyWarrior

I mean if conservatives want to talk about high taxes, look at some of the stuff that Hollende has proopsed in France. If you think Clinton era tax brackets for the wealthy are too high, frankly gfy.

I think it’s hilarious that conservatives point to all the things Ike did, like the interstate highway system, but they never mention the marginal tax rates for the rich or the capital gains taxes at the time.

475 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:55:31am

re: #474 Lidane

I think it’s hilarious that conservatives point to all the things Ike did, like the interstate highway system, but they never mention the marginal tax rates for the rich or the capital gains taxes at the time.

Conservatives are frankly idiots when it comes to understanding cause and effect in policy. They think oyu can have low taxes and spend more than the other top the countries spend combined on defense. I’d respect their position more if they weren’t spouting out Norquist style crap on taxes.

476 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:55:33am


But what about Snowden’s rights? He had to go to Russia to be safe from Obama’s dronez!

477 Kragar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:56:00am

I can be a job creator.

I need someone to clean my back yard and garage.

I’m not going to pay you, but its a job I created, you ungrateful wretches!

478 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:56:55am

re: #469 Pie-onist Overlord

And there is this ever-popular meme, why do people keep Tweeting this shit? Is Tom Sowell such a libertarian prick, is he saying that nobody should pay taxes?

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Of course! And he can build his own roads, own schools, yada yada yada, if he wants to think that way.

What an asshat. I’m sure he’s made a good living at it, though.

479 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 9:57:18am
480 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:00:01am

re: #473 Pie-onist Overlord

Obama will never get re-elected now.

481 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:00:28am

This has to be a parody, but it made me laugh anyway.

482 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:00:39am

re: #479 Lidane

Breaking!! Must credit First Edition!!!

483 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:00:47am

re: #475 HappyWarrior

Conservatives are frankly idiots when it comes to understanding cause and effect.

Case in point? Immigration:

Keep yer gubmint hands off mah money! Low taxes! End the fed!

Small gubmint! Individual liberty!

Round up and deport 12 million illegals!

I’d respect their position more if they weren’t spouting out Norquist style crap on taxes.

Norquist’s position is basically the same one taken by someone who has no fucking idea how a functional government works. No wonder the GOP loves it.

484 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:00:50am

re: #480 Bulworth

Obama will never get re-elected now.

This is excellent news for John Mitt McCain.

485 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:01:19am
486 ObserverArt  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:01:27am

re: #369 Dark_Falcon

What I heard was liberal anti-gun yurping.

Damn Dark. Do you not realize there are centrist and Republicans that feel the same way? it wouldn’t surprise me if there are military people that feel the same way.

You don’t like when people stereotype Republicans, so what the hell did you just do?

487 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:01:52am

re: #478 Justanotherhuman

Thomas Sowell, sucking up those wealthy wingnut welfare dollars.

488 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:02:07am

re: #435 Pie-onist Overlord

Atomik is in a frenzied rage now. Thanks, Dark!

It’s what happens when a person’s drug of choice is hate. They get high and then all hell breaks loose.

489 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:03:33am

re: #483 Lidane

Case in point? Immigration:

Keep yer gubmint hands off mah money! Low taxes! End the fed!

Small gubmint! Individual liberty!

Round up and deport 12 million illegals!

Norquist’s position is basically the same one taken by someone who has no fucking idea how a functional government works. No wonder the GOP loves it.

Precisely and excellent point about their stance on immigration. I mean I have obviously ideological qualms with it too but it’s like “Okay, you want to put that same government that you don’t trust for health care in charge of deporting 12 million people?” Okay……….. But yeah, I hate to be harsh and call them idiots but goddamn it when conservatives act like they have a superior understanding of economics to liberals I just laugh because of shit like that. The disconnect is amazing and yeah the fact that Norquist who is government illiterate has the influence he does is truly pathetic.

490 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:04:17am

re: #403 Lidane

Could be right, Pootie is making deals with Iran too.

491 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:04:57am

re: #487 Bulworth

Thomas Sowell, sucking up those wealthy wingnut welfare dollars.

Their pal Walter Williams, hates on government institutions yet gets his salary paid for by the VA taxpayers. It’s a healthyl racket if you know how to work it. Kind of like how R elected officials rage about government health care while having their own paid for by you and I.

492 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:06:50am

re: #265 Justanotherhuman

Wow, I haven’t “been a Republican” since I was in the 5th grade and we wore “I Like Ike” buttons.

It was a catchy campaign slogan.

Prior to the last election I saw a bumper sticker that said

“I liked Ike so much I voted for him in 1952, 1956 & 2008. ”

Next to it was an Obama 2012 sticker too.

He was old enough to mean it :) But hey, Obama has been the best Center-Right Republican president since Ike…

493 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:08:09am

re: #492 William Barnett-Lewis

Prior to the last election I saw a bumper sticker that said

“I liked Ike so much I voted for him in 1952, 1956 & 2008. “

Next to it was an Obama 2012 sticker too.

He was old enough to mean it :) But hey, Obama has been the best Center-Right Republican president since Ike…

Yeah better than Clinton since Obama’s been better on social issues and he of course got the health care legislation passed.

494 Ian G.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:09:18am

re: #487 Bulworth

Thomas Sowell, sucking up those wealthy wingnut welfare dollars.

Seriously. Since when has Thomas Sowell ever actually worked for anything?

495 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:09:25am

re: #396 Dark_Falcon

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Nice try DF, but as the saying goes, “by their fruits you shall know them”. We’ve seen that one’s fruits.

496 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:09:51am

re: #481 Pie-onist Overlord

This has to be a parody, but it made me laugh anyway.

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I hope so but you know the fact that we’re even pondering shows you how nuts some people are.

497 Jayleia  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:10:35am

re: #495 William Barnett-Lewis

And their fruits are all in cake format…

498 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:11:46am

re: #494 Ian G.

Seriously. Since when has Thomas Sowell ever actually worked for anything?

Yeah I love reading columns and or hearing some blowhard on the radio lecturing the working poor about their work ethic. Rush Limbaugh? That sob has made his living putting people down. My great grandfathers weren’t wealthy men but they made at least a honest living being coal miners, engineers, and printers rather than being the living incarnation of Squealer the Pig.

499 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:13:39am

re: #442 Dark_Falcon

I read Mark Kirikorian’s column, which RWW failed to provide a link to, and I didn’t find it to be racist at all. It was correct in saying that the deportation deferrals for illegal immigrants had had caused massive delays for those seeking a green card legally. Kirikorian did not defend Samuel Francis’ racism, but rather said that Francis had a workable definition of the result of the Obama Administration’s actions, which is not the same thing.

So I do defend Mark Kirikorian, wholeheartedly.

I hope that’s only because you don’t know Mark Krikorian very well, and not because you fail to recognize a racist when you see one.

He did not exhibit racism in that column, except by the fact of his casual quotation of a noxious man, regarding his very noxious, racist beliefs.

Direct links to this are broken, but I found multiple citations:

[F]or those actually interested in the point, here’s what I was trying to get across: While in the past there may well have been too much social pressure for what sociologists call Anglo-conformity, now there isn’t enough. I think that’s a concern that most Americans share at some level, which is the root of the angst over excessive immigration, bilingual education, official English, etc.

More racism:

But Krikorian says legislation like the Dream Act shouldn’t apply to people like Vargas — because he arrived in the United States at the age of 12.

“The moral case that you can make for the Dream Act — or something like the Dream Act … really only applies, it seems to me, to people whose identities have been formed here, who have no memory of any other country, who really are — as some of the advocates sometimes put it — are Americans in all but paperwork,” he says. “This doesn’t really cover a lot of the people who would be covered under the current version of the Dream Act, including Mr. Vargas. The man has real abilities and real skills, and he should go home to his country of citizenship, the country he grew up in for most of his childhood.”

Some from NRO in 2010:

My guess is that Haiti’s so screwed up because it wasn’t colonized long enough. The ancestors of today’s Haitians, like elsewhere in the Caribbean, experienced the dislocation of de-tribalization, which disrupted the natural ties of family and clan and ethnicity. They also suffered the brutality of sugar-plantation slavery, which was so deadly that the majority of slaves at the time of independence were African-born, because their predecessors hadn’t lived long enough to reproduce.

But, unlike Jamaicans and Bajans and Guadeloupeans, et al., after experiencing the worst of tropical colonial slavery, the Haitians didn’t stick around long enough to benefit from it. (Haiti became independent in 1804.). And by benefit I mean develop a local culture significantly shaped by the more-advanced civilization of the colonizers. Sure, their creole language is influenced by French, but they never became black Frenchmen, like the Martiniquais, or “Afro-Saxons,” like the Barbadians. Where a similar creolization took place in Africa, you saw a similar thing — the Cape Coloureds, who are basically black Afrikaaners, and even the Swahili peoples of the east African coast, who are Arabized blacks. A major indicator of how superficial is the overlay of French culture in Haiti is the strength of paganism, in the form of voodoo — the French just weren’t around long enough to suppress it, to the detriment of Haitians.

His work at CIS and FAIR (founded by John Tanton) are enough for me to conclude where his heart lies.

500 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:15:35am

re: #499 wrenchwench

I hope that’s only because you don’t know Mark Krikorian very well, and not because you fail to recognize a racist when you see one.

He did not exhibit racism in that column, except by the fact of his casual quotation of a noxious man, regarding his very noxious, racist beliefs.

Direct links to this are broken, but I found multiple citations:

More racism:

Some from NRO in 2010:

His work at CIS and FAIR (founded by John Tanton) are enough for me to conclude where his heart lies.

Yikes. And shocker another asshole obsessed with “Anglo culture” being superior to non anglo culture adn the comment about Haiti is really a WTF.

501 BeenHereAwhile  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:30:04am

re: #312 Justanotherhuman

This is beautiful, though. Sunrise this am in Gastonia, NC.

Image: 3268596_G.jpg

“Red sky in the morning, sailor take warning.”

502 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 10:38:42am

re: #454 b.d.

RE: HOLLANDE AND OBAMA REMARKS

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503 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:10:56am

re: #239 darthstar

Mornn’ all. Good read here:

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The fugitive NSA contractor, so the narrative goes, has sacrificed his career and risked his freedom to expose systematic wrongdoing by Western intelligence agencies: he has shown that America and Britain spy not only on their enemies and rivals, but on neutral and friendly countries too. They target international summits and foreign leaders. They hoover up and store vast quantities of information about domestic e-mails and phone calls. They use secret court orders to force American-based companies into cooperation. They can bug almost any international phone call, e-mail or other message.

“systematic wrongdoing” = “systematic intelligence and signals work”

504 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:26:25am

re: #354 Lidane

Page that.

505 chadu  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:32:09am

re: #427 HappyWarrior

I’m a friend of Hummus. Does that mean anything?

Chickpeas love you?

506 palomino  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:53:43pm

re: #485 Pie-onist Overlord

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Shirley Temple was a Republican before the party had completely devolved into religious bigotry, far right anti-government extremism, anti-abortion fanaticism, a bizarre fetish for guns, and an open hositility to gays, immigrants, et al.


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