1 | NJDhockeyfan Oct 11, 2014 7:45:17pm |
In UK even spiders have upper class respectability and snobbishness. pic.twitter.com/AVet8RLZbl— Mihaela Bereza (@Atunci_CoV) September 4, 2014
3 | Charles Johnson Oct 11, 2014 7:47:20pm |
One of Chuck C. Johnson’s fans chimes in.
4 | teleskiguy Oct 11, 2014 7:48:29pm |
5 | A Mom Anon Oct 11, 2014 7:50:14pm |
re: #3 Charles Johnson
OFFS, Really? I am so sick and tired of these retrograde nitwit throwbacks I could scream. Is there a sane place left in America or has the whole country lost its damned mind?
6 | prairiefire Oct 11, 2014 7:51:45pm |
re: #2 Editor in Chief
One more spider pic and I’m out of here.
Scary avatar! I won’t link to the house infested with brown recluses outside St. Louis, then.
7 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 7:52:23pm |
8 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 7:53:16pm |
WWII propaganda comic about why America's great. Note the promise of women's rights, which was squashed by the 1950s. pic.twitter.com/cctbLxyV1T— Saladin Ahmed (@saladinahmed) October 12, 2014
9 | NJDhockeyfan Oct 11, 2014 7:54:59pm |
10 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 7:57:15pm |
this kid will go far in life pic.twitter.com/S5FAsOrl95— Gabrielle Elizabeth (@GabyGrl90) October 12, 2014
11 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Oct 11, 2014 7:58:41pm |
re: #8 FemNaziBitch
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The menfolk were still allowed to have a career and a marriage. But I suppose one takes progress where one can find it.
12 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 7:59:27pm |
War is Helvetica RT @IainDey: #IslamicState is taking its war to two rogue typefaces, warns @CNN. pic.twitter.com/hoQsRwgg9f— Anthony De Rosa (@AntDeRosa) October 12, 2014
13 | NJDhockeyfan Oct 11, 2014 8:03:36pm |
Who violated voluntary #Ebola quarantine @DrNancyNBCNEWS?http://t.co/96e6JvDv5f … Quarantine must only be for some of us some of the time— karla holloway (@ProfHolloway) October 11, 2014
14 | RadicalModerate Oct 11, 2014 8:04:52pm |
re: #12 FemNaziBitch
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If they start advocating the destruction of Comic Sans, I honestly don’t know if I could condemn them.
15 | ausador Oct 11, 2014 8:05:05pm |
re: #3 Charles Johnson
One of Chuck C. Johnson’s fans chimes in.
Twitter finally changed its report form, you no longer have to be the person the tweet is directed at to report it as harassment. Yeah…
16 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 8:06:16pm |
re: #11 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
The menfolk were still
allowedrequired/expected to have a career and a marriage. But I suppose one takes progress where one can find it.
FTFY
17 | goddamnedfrank Oct 11, 2014 8:07:44pm |
Baldrick has a cunning plan.
@ChuckCJohnson Will your fund pay for logistic support, casevac helos, life insurance, surgeries and prosthetic limbs o free market warrior?— GDF (@goddamnedfrank) October 12, 2014
18 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 8:07:48pm |
Some Sunni Islamists are circulating on Twitter this poster calling for the beheading of Malala, who won Nobel Prize: pic.twitter.com/iOjNpyjugq— Niraj Warikoo (@nwarikoo) October 12, 2014
19 | prairiefire Oct 11, 2014 8:08:03pm |
re: #15 ausador
Twitter finally changed its report form, you no longer have to be person the tweet is directed at to report it as harassment. Yehh…
…so much power…
20 | ausador Oct 11, 2014 8:08:25pm |
re: #5 A Mom Anon
OFFS, Really? I am so sick and tired of these retrograde nitwit throwbacks I could scream. Is there a sane place left in America or has the whole country lost its damned mind?
It is a account made just for trolling, he got a tweet from another guy about half an hour ago saying “it is time” to go troll the hashtags for the St. Louis shootings. Apparently he isn’t working alone…
21 | Charles Johnson Oct 11, 2014 8:08:33pm |
Babycakes wants to start his own private army. https://t.co/73aCeJIXss— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 12, 2014
22 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 8:08:36pm |
IT’S snarky, but I can’t help it.
“@FLXobsv: “@tkdmike: @clydetheslyde @SarahPalinUSA SHE IS AN IDIOT pic.twitter.com/ZqMFKaeGyd””— Danny Seiber (@panzerpro) October 12, 2014
23 | Jenner7 Oct 11, 2014 8:08:54pm |
Activists are not having the block party feel in Ferguson right now and I don’t blame them. All that hard work for a party??? Nah.
Like we didn't do 60+ days for a block party weekend at a place where we had to fight in court to have the right to STAND here.— ShordeeDooWhop (@Nettaaaaaaaa) October 12, 2014
I was tear gassed many times, was chased by SWAT cars, and flew across the country to protest. I am NOT about this party. #Ferguson— deray mckesson (@deray) October 12, 2014
Mosh pit feel tonight. Not the business. #ferguson https://t.co/HmpqLtEZwa— deray mckesson (@deray) October 12, 2014
24 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 8:09:01pm |
25 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 8:09:35pm |
re: #20 ausador
It is a account made just for trolling, he got a tweet from another guy about half an hour ago saying “it is time” to go troll the hashtags for the St. Louis shootings. Apparently he isn’t working alone…
pathetic
26 | Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 11, 2014 8:09:46pm |
my spider contribution:
@MYSADCAT My cat has a new gang-style sad teardrop tattoo because he killed a man. When I say “man” I mean “spider”. pic.twitter.com/LiNbMI2Olu
— Jon Hall (@JonHall_) September 9, 2014
niterz all…
27 | goddamnedfrank Oct 11, 2014 8:10:25pm |
@ChuckCJohnson Here, let me introduce you to the Logan Act.— GDF (@goddamnedfrank) October 12, 2014
28 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 8:10:46pm |
Wis Republicans Will Still Try to Enforce Voter ID in Spite of Supreme Court Decision http://t.co/tjd7RHI4Dp via @dailykos— Tom Schroeder (@DarthThomas70) October 12, 2014
29 | RadicalModerate Oct 11, 2014 8:13:32pm |
re: #15 ausador
Twitter finally changed its report form, you no longer have to be person the tweet is directed at to report it as harassment. Yehh…
They changed the form, but whenever you do report those -even for when a user making threats, it just gets an autoresponse stating that they don’t review those reports.
Here’s the response I got from when I reported someone making personal threats against someone last week:
30 | allegro Oct 11, 2014 8:13:59pm |
re: #5 A Mom Anon
OFFS, Really? I am so sick and tired of these retrograde nitwit throwbacks I could scream. Is there a sane place left in America or has the whole country lost its damned mind?
Come over to my place. I got rum, Santana, cute dogs and a cuddly cockatoo.
32 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 8:14:42pm |
Well now I want a Lion Hug pic.twitter.com/YLnb5Johvo— Earth Pics (@EaarthPics) October 12, 2014
33 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 8:16:22pm |
@thom2805 @WolfNW @JessieFlagg1 @jojokejohn Here ya go. This is the Governor of Texas, @GovernorPerry pic.twitter.com/Ls3aSXRByJ— Mic (@MykelBeyotch) October 12, 2014
34 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 8:18:10pm |
I'd rather be weird as fuck than be boring as hell.— Female Struggles (@tfemaleissues) October 12, 2014
35 | RadicalModerate Oct 11, 2014 8:19:29pm |
re: #22 FemNaziBitch
IT’S snarky, but I can’t help it.
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I take offense at that image.
You’re insulting the Beverly Hillbillies by comparing them to the Palin clan.
36 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 8:19:33pm |
Via Vocal Progressives on fb. #UniteBlue pic.twitter.com/qCE7VSpjPE— Republicans R Evil (@CanProveIt) October 12, 2014
37 | goddamnedfrank Oct 11, 2014 8:19:55pm |
re: #31 teleskiguy
Good one! Even I had to look that up.
It doesn’t come up often, because only the biggest, most epic level douchebags ever think of doing insane shit like that.
38 | The Ghost of a Flea (R) Oct 11, 2014 8:20:44pm |
re: #21 Charles Johnson
He also knows an excellent tulip wholesaler.
If everybody chips in, he’ll make sure the money is used well.
39 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 8:21:03pm |
Lies 1940s comics told girls. pic.twitter.com/vWhMfeoE6X— Saladin Ahmed (@saladinahmed) October 12, 2014
40 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 8:22:43pm |
Lies 1940s comics told girls. pic.twitter.com/vWhMfeoE6X— Saladin Ahmed (@saladinahmed) October 12, 2014
41 | William Barnett-Lewis Oct 11, 2014 8:24:36pm |
re: #17 goddamnedfrank
Baldrick has a cunning plan.
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Baldrick is a Effing genius by comparison.
42 | FemNaziBitch Oct 11, 2014 8:25:35pm |
To never know the love of a dog is to miss the best thing life has to give, Cmon give your dog a cuddle :) pic.twitter.com/wBATSKHaFh— SafeRescueUK (@SafeRescueUK) October 11, 2014
NYTOL
43 | William Barnett-Lewis Oct 11, 2014 8:25:51pm |
re: #21 Charles Johnson
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But will he be there with a rifle in hand? Nope, just another chicken hawk coward. < spit >
44 | RadicalModerate Oct 11, 2014 8:28:38pm |
re: #20 ausador
It is a account made just for trolling, he got a tweet from another guy about half an hour ago saying “it is time” to go troll the hashtags for the St. Louis shootings. Apparently he isn’t working alone…
That may be the case, but the images and retweets/follows come straight out of National Vanguard and Stormfront.
Further investigation of the imgur photo archive and other tweets has the earmarks of /pol/ over on 4chan - for those who aren’t aware, that group is openly white nationalist, and unfortunately, only a minority of the posters there are trolling - the others openly recruit for groups like Third Position, Northwest Front, and AmRen. Very, very nasty, and very violent people there.
45 | NJDhockeyfan Oct 11, 2014 8:31:36pm |
re: #32 FemNaziBitch
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1971: Living With Neil the Lion (http://t.co/ocbVZJR7dj) pic.twitter.com/UO9CIc9IJ7— Retronaut (@theretronaut) October 7, 2014
46 | The Ghost of a Flea (R) Oct 11, 2014 8:32:33pm |
re: #43 William Barnett-Lewis
But will he be there with a rifle in hand? Nope, just another chicken hawk coward. < spit >
The veterans CCJ is fronting money for are exactly as real as the completely imaginary penis-stealing demon-possessed hobo in the bedtime story I’m making up for my completely imaginary son.
Much to the confusion of my actual son, who isn’t allowed in the bedroom during story time.
47 | allegro Oct 11, 2014 8:33:28pm |
re: #43 William Barnett-Lewis
But will he be there with a rifle in hand? Nope, just another chicken hawk coward. < spit >
Indeed. He wants to raise money to send OTHER people to fight. If he was raising money to send himself, I’d be writing a check.
48 | The Ghost of a Flea (R) Oct 11, 2014 8:34:31pm |
re: #46 The Ghost of a Flea (R)
My actual son is also imaginary.
My mind is being ravaged by imaginary syphilis, so I sometimes have these delusions.
I am still less full of shit than CCJ.
49 | allegro Oct 11, 2014 8:35:51pm |
re: #48 The Ghost of a Flea (R)
My actual son is also imaginary.
My mind is being ravaged by imaginary syphilis, so I sometimes have these delusions.
I am still less full of shit than CCJ.
Whatever you’re smokin’ tonight, dude, please share. LOL
50 | teleskiguy Oct 11, 2014 8:39:18pm |
I thought I’d put together a comment with The Ghost of a Flea’s comments to Dark_Falcon this afternoon. A great writer this contributor is!
51 | teleskiguy Oct 11, 2014 8:40:19pm |
Big fun today at Comic Con. Even met the champ! @MikeTyson pic.twitter.com/swHtONYSFJ— Bill Nye (@TheScienceGuy) October 12, 2014
52 | ausador Oct 11, 2014 8:41:21pm |
re: #45 NJDhockeyfan
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They would get a lot more blowback today for having a declawed and defanged lion as a exotic pet one would think.
53 | allegro Oct 11, 2014 8:44:00pm |
re: #51 teleskiguy
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Hey, as long as you aren’t a woman or care about your ears, great company there. O_o
54 | teleskiguy Oct 11, 2014 8:54:58pm |
It took me an insanely long time to realize that these were in fact not tiny brontosauruses pic.twitter.com/YBpLdixWSH— Science Cat (@DrScienceCat) October 8, 2014
57 | wheat-dogghazi Oct 11, 2014 9:24:26pm |
I think you lizards would be interested in this blog, A Hard Hat Life.
The writer is a former student of mine, a young woman who decided to become a licensed carpenter. Her first entry describes her first job, her quitting the trade, then her getting back into it.
58 | The Ghost of a Flea (R) Oct 11, 2014 9:28:49pm |
re: #49 allegro
Whatever you’re smokin’ tonight, dude, please share. LOL
Do waffles count as a mind-altering substance?
59 | Eclectic Cyborg Oct 11, 2014 9:30:13pm |
re: #58 The Ghost of a Flea (R)
Do waffles count as a mind-altering substance?
Depends on the syrup involved.
60 | wheat-dogghazi Oct 11, 2014 9:31:23pm |
re: #58 The Ghost of a Flea (R)
Do waffles count as a mind-altering substance?
Only if they are topped with 100% genuine maple syrup.
I get a big sugar rush from syrup, myself. Probably a consequence of living outside the USA and away from daily megadoses of sugar for so long.
61 | allegro Oct 11, 2014 9:31:37pm |
re: #57 wheat-dogghazi
I think you lizards would be interested in this blog, A Hard Hat Life.
The writer is a former student of mine, a young woman who decided to become a licensed carpenter. Her first entry describes her first job, her quitting the trade, then her getting back into it.
I could have written that as a young woman wildlife biologist in the 1970s. It crazes me that young women still fight the same fucking battles now, over and over again, still, forever.
62 | The Ghost of a Flea (R) Oct 11, 2014 9:36:31pm |
re: #59 Eclectic Cyborg
Depends on the syrup involved.
DAMMIT I should never have trusted Lil’ John with that responsibility.
Is that too hip-hop obtuse to be funny?
Is “hip-hop obtuse” too obtuse to be funny?
63 | prairiefire Oct 11, 2014 9:41:33pm |
re: #61 allegro
I could have written that as a young woman wildlife biologist in the 1970s. It crazes me that young women still fight the same fucking battles now, over and over again, still, forever.
It is a bit shocking. I think money has a lot to do with it.
65 | allegro Oct 11, 2014 9:48:17pm |
re: #61 allegro
I could have written that as a young woman wildlife biologist in the 1970s. It crazes me that young women still fight the same fucking battles now, over and over again, still, forever.
Actually, that said, the advice I have for her is to embrace her male allies. They are there and will be more valuable to her than she will ever know at this point. No, they won’t entirely “get it”, that’s their privilege, but they will hear and see and it will take root. In time, it will pay off.
66 | Dark_Falcon Oct 11, 2014 9:49:10pm |
re: #50 teleskiguy
I thought I’d put together a comment with The Ghost of a Flea’s comments to Dark_Falcon this afternoon. A great writer this contributor is!
Don’t forget my own addition between those last two comments.
67 | allegro Oct 11, 2014 9:51:47pm |
re: #63 prairiefire
It is a bit shocking. I think money has a lot to do with it.
Gender essentialism and male domain has much more to do with it. A woman “invading” the male enclave is severely threatening. As a woman, I can’t ever really understand it but I sure have felt the repelling blast.
68 | piratedan Oct 11, 2014 10:55:15pm |
re: #66 Dark_Falcon
methinks you should perhaps focus on your first entry which was the cause versus attempting to snipe any accolades at this point, just saying. Because there’s a fair number of the commentariat that ain’t buying what you’re selling; if not just just ignoring you on general principles.
69 | William Barnett-Lewis Oct 11, 2014 11:07:25pm |
Probably just me, but I’d rather DF than this leftist I know who says all the right things but then gets a job as a scab while still talking revolution. I may disagree, strongly even, with DF but I’ll prefer his thick headed honesty over that guy’s opportunism.
70 | freetoken Oct 11, 2014 11:12:31pm |
God put women here to have babies, no?
Jessa Duggar’s future father-in-law is defending her comparison of abortions and the Holocaust.
After visiting the Holocaust Museum the other week, the 19 Kids and Counting star upset many people by writing a controversial blog post equating abortion to the genocide […] Now, Michael Seewald, the father of her fiancé, Ben Seewald, has taken to his personal blog to blast Jessa’s critics.
[…] Abortion also is the extermination of a certain class of people deemed unworthy to live. The powers that be have legalized murder just as they did during the Holocaust. Any woman who chooses to may go to an abortion clinic and have her preborn baby violently killed.”
He went on:
In Hitler’s Germany there was legal discrimination against Jews. In our society we may legally discriminate against our own children and eradicate them. Tell me how this is not the same thing. They may protest and say that the preborn are not fully human as the Jew’s [sic] are, but even making that assertion makes them more like the Nazis than they want to be because that was how the Nazis viewed the Jews. The Jews were non persons in the eyes of the German government just as the preborn are to ours. Under the Nazi regime Jew’s [sic] rights and humanity were not considered. The same is true of a society that condones abortion. The rights and humanity of the unborn are not regarded. […]
Michael concluded by likening Jessa’s haters and proponents of abortion to Adolf Hitler himself.
“Bravo, Jessa, for daring to speak out against one of the great evils of our time even if it means that Hitler’s doppelgangers are enraged,” he wrote. “Maybe this is why Rush Limbaugh calls radical feminists ‘Femi-Nazis.’”
So there.
71 | wheat-dogghazi Oct 11, 2014 11:19:08pm |
re: #70 freetoken
I have this nightmare that the Duggars have succeeded in creating an entire team of RW commentators and pundits who will inflict their nuttery on the rest of us for another two generations.
May dog have mercy on our souls.
72 | freetoken Oct 11, 2014 11:22:26pm |
re: #71 wheat-dogghazi
If the family keeps up their population growth at the current rate by 2200 they will be the entire population of the US.
73 | TedStriker Oct 11, 2014 11:23:44pm |
re: #71 wheat-dogghazi
I have this nightmare that the Duggars have succeeded in creating an entire team of RW commentators and pundits who will inflict their nuttery on the rest of us for another two generations.
May dog have mercy on our souls.
re: #72 freetoken
If the family keeps up their population growth at the current rate by 2200 they will be the entire population of the US.
Me, I’m praying a huge rock hurtling from outer space to curtail that…
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74 | wheat-dogghazi Oct 11, 2014 11:25:54pm |
75 | prairiefire Oct 11, 2014 11:42:49pm |
re: #40 FemNaziBitch
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77 | prairiefire Oct 11, 2014 11:56:59pm |
re: #67 allegro
Gender essentialism and male domain has much more to do with it. A woman “invading” the male enclave is severely threatening. As a woman, I can’t ever really understand it but I sure have felt the repelling blast.
A blast like an open gas furnace.
78 | wheat-dogghazi Oct 12, 2014 12:00:04am |
Watching BBC World now. Report is about a cafe in West London that has a publicly accessible 3D printer, so you can make your own souvenirs.
The reporter is a black guy (in a wheelchair) with dreadlocks and definite UK accent. How is it BBC does a better job with diversity than the US networks?
79 | KiTA Oct 12, 2014 12:26:54am |
Ugh. Reminded why I don’t engage with wingnuts. Again.
Walked in on the nutter and the senior tech talking. The nutter was ranting about how Obama caused the recent recession, and how it’s just gotten worse and worse these past few years.
You know, the recession that started during the Bush administration due to him starting 2 unpaid for wars and then giving a tax cut that cost more than both of them combined? The recession that most economists think is over already? (Granted, the average American is still screwed, but that’s mostly income inequality and not the same thing.)
I pointed out that the unemployment rate is down to 5.9 percent nationally, and that’s the best it’s been in a long while. That lead to me being told that I’m a sheep and I need to stop listening to “the media” and “the government.” Oh-kay? I guess I’ll get some tea leaves to read in order find out my information.
Then the senior tech googled it and pointed out that the numbers are actually pretty good and consistently getting better as the Obama administration pulls us out of the train wreck that the GOP left us in.
“No no, that’s a lie, I can’t believe this, what planet are you living on, the unemployment rate isn’t that good because people are just leaving the US to find work in Canada!”
And that’s when I remembered why I don’t bother with this shit. I could spend the next 4 hours researching the economy, the GDP, unemployment rates, Wallstreet, what have you, come to work tomorrow with 10 pages of cliffnotes, and I would encounter the following argument:
“LA LA LA LA I BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE AND YOUR FACTS DON’T COUNT BECAUSE I BELIEVE DIFFERENT LA LA LA AND YOURE A BIG DOODY HEAD FOR LISTENING TO PEOPLE THAT AREN’T THE PEOPLE I LISTEN TO LA LA LA.”
And that would be the entire argument. Me citing facts and data and research, him going “la la la you’re an idiot for listening to ‘scientists’ and I know I’m right because I listen to someone on AM radio la la la.”
And it’s always the exact same, be it economics, climate change, health care, religion, what have you — and it’s not just my local nutter, it’s all of them. It’s a religion with these types. They have their little cultlike view of how the world works, and any evidence to the contrary has to be discredited, destroyed, ignored, and suppressed. It’s not worth my time to engage directly.
However, I am glad that I’ve learned to pull a Biden — when he says something obviously wrong (“The biblical flood happened in 3000 BC and it’s because a comet from Jupiter came to Earth, stopped the Earth’s rotation for 3 days, the tail was water and rained for those 3 days and then it moved away to become Venus”), don’t try to refute it.
Just laugh. Laugh and point out that he’s wrong. (“Yeah, no, that didn’t happen. We’d all be dead. Conservation of rotational energy — the wind alone would strip the Earth clean, to say nothing about us going flying into space.”)
Our culture has this weird thing where everyone feels like they’re entitled to their opinion, and this entitlement has begun to extend to the facts that they choose to believe in. People don’t have that right. People only have the right to an opinion they can defend. And facts are not opinions.
Bah, this got really long. Feel better for getting it off my chest, though. Now, off to do laundry and play this “Terra Battle” game.
80 | wheat-dogghazi Oct 12, 2014 12:41:21am |
re: #79 KiTA
However, I am glad that I’ve learned to pull a Biden — when he says something obviously wrong (“The biblical flood happened in 3000 BC and it’s because a comet from Jupiter came to Earth, stopped the Earth’s rotation for 3 days, the tail was water and rained for those 3 days and then it moved away to become Venus”), don’t try to refute it.
That was Velikovsky’s idea. Decades old and still wrong.
Fractally wrong, in fact. It would take days to correct all the wrongness, and like you said, it would do no good. Like teaching a pig to dance.
81 | Kragar Oct 12, 2014 12:50:06am |
A hard Truth to face pic.twitter.com/o0CnCIYuuu— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 12, 2014
83 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 2:02:01am |
re: #70 freetoken
@ Seewald: shuddup, ignorant hillbilly.
85 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 2:04:54am |
re: #84 freetoken
I suppose they must’ve changed the code.
89 | Varek Raith Oct 12, 2014 4:37:24am |
90 | wheat-dogghazi Oct 12, 2014 4:38:49am |
re: #89 Varek Raith
Time to seal the Texas borders. //
91 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 4:43:03am |
re: #90 wheat-dogghazi
Time to seal the Texas borders. //
Won’t be enough. Gotta nuke it from orbit, just to be sure.
//
92 | freetoken Oct 12, 2014 5:02:00am |
re: #89 Varek Raith
You just know we are going to get a sea of derp over this.
I imagine babycakes crowing about, say, 100 times a hour on twitter.
The comments on the Fox News page are coming in about one a second:
93 | freetoken Oct 12, 2014 5:03:09am |
Here’s a typical comment:
outbama 2 minutes ago
THE TREE SWINGER IN THE WHITE HOUSE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS
Yeah, what racism.
94 | freetoken Oct 12, 2014 5:05:26am |
Teabonics:
AMG just now
Africa first spread the decease ObamaNow they are spreading the decease Obola
95 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 5:06:06am |
96 | freetoken Oct 12, 2014 5:10:05am |
re: #95 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
The War on Drugs is a War on Americans.
97 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 5:17:02am |
re: #95 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
59-year-old Georgia man killed in no-knock raid, no drugs found
Why does the St. Louis PD keep changing their story about the killing of VonDerrit Myers?
We’re not talking minor differences in accounts either. Myers has gone from turning and firing, to getting into a struggle after jumping from behind a bush, to falling and shooting.
98 | jamesfirecat Oct 12, 2014 5:21:06am |
re: #79 KiTA
Ugh. Reminded why I don’t engage with wingnuts. Again.
Walked in on the nutter and the senior tech talking. The nutter was ranting about how Obama caused the recent recession, and how it’s just gotten worse and worse these past few years.
You know, the recession that started during the Bush administration due to him starting 2 unpaid for wars and then giving a tax cut that cost more than both of them combined? The recession that most economists think is over already? (Granted, the average American is still screwed, but that’s mostly income inequality and not the same thing.)
I pointed out that the unemployment rate is down to 5.9 percent nationally, and that’s the best it’s been in a long while. That lead to me being told that I’m a sheep and I need to stop listening to “the media” and “the government.” Oh-kay? I guess I’ll get some tea leaves to read in order find out my information.
Then the senior tech googled it and pointed out that the numbers are actually pretty good and consistently getting better as the Obama administration pulls us out of the train wreck that the GOP left us in.
“No no, that’s a lie, I can’t believe this, what planet are you living on, the unemployment rate isn’t that good because people are just leaving the US to find work in Canada!”
And that’s when I remembered why I don’t bother with this shit. I could spend the next 4 hours researching the economy, the GDP, unemployment rates, Wallstreet, what have you, come to work tomorrow with 10 pages of cliffnotes, and I would encounter the following argument:
“LA LA LA LA I BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE AND YOUR FACTS DON’T COUNT BECAUSE I BELIEVE DIFFERENT LA LA LA AND YOURE A BIG DOODY HEAD FOR LISTENING TO PEOPLE THAT AREN’T THE PEOPLE I LISTEN TO LA LA LA.”
And that would be the entire argument. Me citing facts and data and research, him going “la la la you’re an idiot for listening to ‘scientists’ and I know I’m right because I listen to someone on AM radio la la la.”
And it’s always the exact same, be it economics, climate change, health care, religion, what have you — and it’s not just my local nutter, it’s all of them. It’s a religion with these types. They have their little cultlike view of how the world works, and any evidence to the contrary has to be discredited, destroyed, ignored, and suppressed. It’s not worth my time to engage directly.
However, I am glad that I’ve learned to pull a Biden — when he says something obviously wrong (“The biblical flood happened in 3000 BC and it’s because a comet from Jupiter came to Earth, stopped the Earth’s rotation for 3 days, the tail was water and rained for those 3 days and then it moved away to become Venus”), don’t try to refute it.
Just laugh. Laugh and point out that he’s wrong. (“Yeah, no, that didn’t happen. We’d all be dead. Conservation of rotational energy — the wind alone would strip the Earth clean, to say nothing about us going flying into space.”)
Our culture has this weird thing where everyone feels like they’re entitled to their opinion, and this entitlement has begun to extend to the facts that they choose to believe in. People don’t have that right. People only have the right to an opinion they can defend. And facts are not opinions.
Bah, this got really long. Feel better for getting it off my chest, though. Now, off to do laundry and play this “Terra Battle” game.
Hey I just started playing Terra Battle also! Combat system is interesting and the price is right if nothing else…
99 | Lidane Oct 12, 2014 5:21:27am |
re: #92 freetoken
The freeper idiots are taking it well:
Just this morning, another little child died from the enterovirus.
Obama is responsible for all of the misery and death befalling America.
—Unreal. Say what you will about 9/11, but it didn’t wake up this country one bit. That was Phase 1, we needed two more phases (or World Trade Center magnitude hits, in that case), and still haven’t gotten them.
With Ebola, it seems that the phases will be something like the following, as America discovers that big oceans don’t help when you have open borders:
Phase 1) OMG, you mean it’s able to infect people even when they’re outside of Africa? We’re safe.
Phase 2) OMG, you mean that it can be spread in America and that it doesn’t just affect those “black people” with strong accents? We’re safe, because I trust the president.
Phase 3) OMG, our government doesn’t know jack about how to deal with it and was TOTALLY UNPREPARED (as Ebola spreads here, pretty much unchecked)? Crap, DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING, to stop this!
We’re just entering Phase 2 now. If we don’t take some really strong action now, this country will be COMPLETELY LOCKED DOWN as we get into Phase 3.
—“There are probably more ebola victims than they are admitting.”
Agree. The goal here is to keep it under wraps until after the election. Some cases will slip out, as these people are humans and they have families and families will talk to the media.
But we will pay a HUGE PRICE for the delay, and millions of people will be affected, if not every American, as we take the (presently unimaginable) steps needed to contain the outbreak.
—Obama owns this mess.
Any rational person stops flights for a disease with no cure and (up to) a 21 day incubation period.
—“Obama is responsible for all of the misery and death befalling America.”
The Usurper was illegally installed in office by the two major political parties. They and their supporters are responsible.
—I am imagining Obama eulogizing at a funeral with a large number of caskets, trying to comfort the nation in his job at president, with everyone in the country fully aware that this funeral and the others like it were 100% preventable by him.
—This can’t be. The Grand Poobah Obala said the chance of an outbreak was EXTREMELY LOW.
And so on.
100 | freetoken Oct 12, 2014 5:24:01am |
re: #99 Lidane
The two industries - conspiracy looniness, and hate-talk - have converged in a noxious mixture over ebola.
101 | Teukka Oct 12, 2014 5:28:05am |
re: #100 freetoken
The two industries - conspiracy looniness, and hate-talk - have converged in a noxious mixture over ebola.
Indeed. I’ve seen victims of the scam pop up everywhere :(
102 | freetoken Oct 12, 2014 5:34:03am |
Local newspaper does its best to rehabilitate fired teacher Freshwater:
Dover man touts free speech, religious rights, academic freedoms
Would the Freshwaters do it over again?
Yes.[…]
The author unfailingly champions Freshwater in his case. Not a hint of actual legal reporting.
103 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 5:38:35am |
re: #102 freetoken
Celebrating an ignorant, fanatically religious creep who wasted a huge sum of taxpayer $$$? Proceed…
104 | Timothy Watson Oct 12, 2014 5:38:35am |
re: #102 freetoken
Local newspaper does its best to rehabilitate fired teacher Freshwater:
Dover man touts free speech, religious rights, academic freedoms
The author unfailingly champions Freshwater in his case. Not a hint of actual legal reporting.
Never expect much from a local newspaper and you’re never be disappointed.
105 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 5:41:23am |
re: #100 freetoken
The two industries - conspiracy looniness, and hate-talk - have converged in a noxious mixture over ebola.
They were united long ago, FT.
106 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 5:48:43am |
A teacher doesn’t have “academic freedom”, btw. He’s not a scientist or a researcher. His job is not to be somehow creative in interpretation of facts. The only creative freedom he has concerns the teaching methods.
A teacher doesn’t have “freedom of speech”. He’s not a politician or a journalist presenting his POV.
A teacher doesn’t have “religious freedom”, if by that one means preaching his worldview to the pupils.
107 | wheat-dogghazi Oct 12, 2014 5:54:23am |
re: #106 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
A teacher has to follow his employer’s rules. One of those, for public school teachers, is the First Amendment and pertinent federal court rulings. Freshwater ignored all of those.
108 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 5:56:50am |
re: #106 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
A teacher doesn’t have “academic freedom”, btw. He’s not a scientist or a researcher. His job is not to be somehow creative in interpretation of facts. The only creative freedom he has concerns the teaching methods.
A teacher doesn’t have “freedom of speech”. He’s not a politician or a journalist presenting his POV.
A teacher doesn’t have “religious freedom”, if by that one means preaching his worldview to the pupils.
Teachers in the US do often have tenure, which is explained as protecting Academic Freedom. Is it your position that teachers below the college level should not have tenure?
109 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 6:00:00am |
110 | NJDhockeyfan Oct 12, 2014 6:04:18am |
Now it’s getting serious…
Ebola is threatening much of the world's chocolate supply. http://t.co/GBKKpyvAdV | Getty pic.twitter.com/Xqv3YYNRmD— POLITICO (@politico) October 12, 2014
111 | PhillyPretzel Oct 12, 2014 6:07:24am |
re: #109 Decatur Deb
Also keep in mind that teachers in public schools must follow what the local school district or even the state requires for educational minimums. My late dad taught in the Philly schools and he had seniority, in his case system seniority. When he started to work in colleges he started to accrue tenure.
112 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 6:08:47am |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
Teachers in the US do often have tenure, which is explained as protecting Academic Freedom. Is it your position that teachers below the college level should not have tenure?
A teacher - and we are talking about school teachers of course - doesn’t perform research in his capacity as a teacher. He may do this in his free time, and has academic freedom as an individual, but he may not present unapproved ideas in class.
Thus, teaching “arguments against evolution” in class (unless this is specified in the curriculum) is not an allowed “academic freedom”.
A teacher may, however, explore and publish such ideas in his free time. If he has a tenure, he cannot be punished for this extracurricular activity.
113 | wheat-dogghazi Oct 12, 2014 6:10:14am |
re: #106 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
A teacher doesn’t have “academic freedom”, btw. He’s not a scientist or a researcher. His job is not to be somehow creative in interpretation of facts. The only creative freedom he has concerns the teaching methods.
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
Academic freedom, when applied to university faculty, means they are free from interference by their university in their research, publication, and within bounds set by their departments, teaching. The last part means they have to provide and teach a sensible syllabus, and not go off the rails with crazy shit.
The academic freedom of pre-college teachers is somewhat different, as most don’t do research or publication, but they should still expect freedom from interference by their employers. Because pre-college curricula in public school are more tightly regulated than college curricula, pre-college teachers have considerably less freedom in teaching their subjects. They have to hew to the state mandates.
If John Freshwater had not been teaching at a public school, he might have been able to get away with his Bible-based science teaching. But he wasn’t, and it’s clear he had not been following Ohio science standards for some time.
114 | PhillyPretzel Oct 12, 2014 6:10:30am |
re: #112 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
You got it. Of course if said teacher does publish and it is read by said employer there may be a few problems.
115 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 6:14:27am |
re: #114 PhillyPretzel
It’s as comical as, say, a cop demanding “freedom of speech” in his official capacity. Nuh-uh. Doesn’t work this way.
116 | wheat-dogghazi Oct 12, 2014 6:16:40am |
Putting it another way, Freshwater has the legal right to say whatever he wants, wherever he wants. He doesn’t have the right to keep his job if he violates the terms of his employment.
117 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 6:19:01am |
re: #111 PhillyPretzel
Also keep in mind that teachers in public schools must follow what the local school district or even the state requires for educational minimums. My late dad taught in the Philly schools and he had seniority, in his case system seniority. When he started to work in colleges he started to accrue tenure.
Scopes was convicted. The perception in Alabama is that HS teachers are effectively tenured. That’s a consequence of a powerful teacher’s union. The protection is less real than imagined, but that’s OK too.
118 | Alyosha Oct 12, 2014 6:20:40am |
I suppose this is both the best and worst time to propose universal health care in the US.
It may ensure that the many millions of people who ‘opted out’ or who otherwise have still not gained coverage are not left exposed to potential future epidemics causing the US to remain the weak link in developing nations, but…
Who’s willing to bet that any suggestion at the Federal level that legislation be passed with this goal in mind will be opposed by the libertarian creatures and decried by their fellow tinfoil-helmed cretins as a conspiracy?
Jesus flipt a burning desk…
(Edited ever so slightly)
119 | Eventual Carrion Oct 12, 2014 6:20:44am |
re: #106 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
[snip]
A teacher doesn’t have “freedom of speech”. He’s not a politician or a journalist presenting his POV.
A teacher doesn’t have “religious freedom”, if by that one means preaching his worldview to the pupils.
And that will be made abundantly clear the first teacher that gets up in front of the class and starts teaching about his lord and savior Satan.
120 | freetoken Oct 12, 2014 6:21:11am |
New Jersey officials enforce isolation order for NBC crew exposed to Ebola patient
New Jersey officials have issued a mandatory quarantine order for members of an NBC crew that was exposed to a cameraman with Ebola.
The order went into effect Friday night after state health officials said a voluntary 21-day isolation agreement was violated.
[…]
Well, so much for voluntary cooperation.
121 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 6:22:47am |
re: #112 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
A teacher - and we are talking about school teachers of course - doesn’t perform research in his capacity as a teacher. He may do this in his free time, and has academic freedom as an individual, but he may not present unapproved ideas in class.
Thus, teaching “arguments against evolution” in class (unless this is specified in the curriculum) is not an allowed “academic freedom”.
A teacher may, however, explore and publish such ideas in his free time. If he has a tenure, he cannot be punished for this extracurricular activity.
That didn’t answer my question. I asked “Is it your position that teachers below the college level should not have tenure?”.
122 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 6:23:48am |
re: #117 Decatur Deb
Arthur Butz’s tenure allowed him to publish Holocaust denial volumes, and even place them on his Uni site (no longer there). But I assume the minute he mumbled something about denial in class, he would be out faster than the light in vacuum.
123 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 6:24:52am |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
That didn’t answer my question. I asked “Is it your position that teachers below the college level should not have tenure?”.
Initially I said nothing on the topic of tenure, so I don’t need to answer your unrelated question.
124 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 6:25:32am |
re: #120 freetoken
New Jersey officials enforce isolation order for NBC crew exposed to Ebola patient
Well, so much for voluntary cooperation.
Sorry, but I don’t care. Hysteria aside, Ebola is simply too dangerous to take chances with.
125 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 6:27:15am |
re: #123 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
Initially I said nothing on the topic of tenure, so I don’t need to answer your unrelated question.
I don’t care for your tone, but I’m not going to pursue the matter further.
126 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 6:28:05am |
re: #122 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
Arthur Butz’s tenure allowed him to publish Holocaust denial volumes, and even place them on his Uni site (no longer there). But I assume the minute he mumbled something about denial in class, he would be out faster than light in vacuum.
I would hope an academic reaction from his fellow teachers would keep his ideas from being accepted, but not keep them from being uttered. (“Hundred flowers blossom” and all that.) The howling mad conflict might draw student attention to something besides football.
127 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 6:30:21am |
re: #125 Dark_Falcon
I don’t care for your tone, but I’m not going to pursue the matter further.
Sorry, but when you completely ignore what I wrote, explaining why what you wrote is an unrelated issue, and simply restate your question, irritated tone is the best you can expect.
128 | Pie-onist Overlord Oct 12, 2014 6:30:59am |
OH HAI.
Well I spent 3 days without Internet just enjoying my 3 grandchildren (and my son & daughter & their spouses). We ate and ate and ate and ate and then when we were too stuffed to eat any more, we ate pie.
THE PIE IS ALL EATED. My job here is done.
Now my son is complaining how messy the kitchen is. I showed him where the mop & bucket is.
129 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 6:31:07am |
re: #126 Decatur Deb
I would hope an academic reaction from his fellow academics would keep his ideas from being accepted, but not keep them from being uttered. (“Hundred flowers blossom” and all that.)
Not in class.
130 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 6:32:17am |
re: #128 Pie-onist Overlord
Bwahahaha. Poor Pie Jr. :D
131 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 6:33:28am |
re: #129 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
Not in class.
Class is not sacred. One of mine met in a bar. I trust students to quality-control their professors—some of ours were obviously full of shit.
132 | Alyosha Oct 12, 2014 6:35:36am |
re: #131 Decatur Deb
Class is not sacred. One of mine met in a bar. I trust students to quality-control their professors—some of ours were obviously full of shit.
Just like in that Kevin Sorbo documentary, ‘God is Not Dead’?
//
133 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 6:36:10am |
134 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 6:38:40am |
re: #133 Decatur Deb
Not familiar.
(Google, Google)
Ah. “Hercules”. Do his students rebel or follow the script?
138 | Alyosha Oct 12, 2014 6:41:16am |
re: #133 Decatur Deb
Not familiar.
Creationist wet-dream put to film. Apologetics trope that pits the fresh-eyed Christian freshman against his militantly-atheist, strawman, philosophy professor who states Nietzsche’s quote straight of the bat and expects the class to follow unquestioningly or else suffer punitive grading. A Jack Chick-esque ‘debate’ ensues and la la la, God wins.
139 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 6:43:00am |
re: #138 Alyosha
Creationist wet-dream put to film. Apologetics trope that pits the fresh-eyed Christian freshman against his militantly-atheist, strawman, philosophy professor who states Nietzsche’s quote straight of the bat and expects the class to follow unquestioningly or else suffer punitive grading. A Jack Chick-esque ‘debate’ ensues and la la la, God wins.
I like Heloise and Abelard better—the hypocritical teacher gets castrated.
140 | Eventual Carrion Oct 12, 2014 6:44:04am |
142 | Pie-onist Overlord Oct 12, 2014 6:45:16am |
re: #138 Alyosha
Creationist wet-dream put to film. Apologetics trope that pits the fresh-eyed Christian freshman against his militantly-atheist, strawman, philosophy professor who states Nietzsche’s quote straight of the bat and expects the class to follow unquestioningly or else suffer punitive grading. A Jack Chick-esque ‘debate’ ensues and la la la, God wins.
Gish Gallops to Save The Day!
143 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 6:46:12am |
re: #142 Pie-onist Overlord
Save that upding—I hit the wrong comment.
144 | Alyosha Oct 12, 2014 6:46:22am |
145 | Mattand Oct 12, 2014 6:48:57am |
re: #79 KiTA
I’ve mentioned this before, but a born-again conservative I used to work with was complaining about the Girl Scouts fostering a lesbian agenda.
My response was basically to laugh at him. He did not take it well. I’m probably lucky I didn’t get reprimanded/fired that day, as this guy was fairly high up in the pecking order.
I never did ask him what the lesbian agenda was. The few lesbians I know just wanted to be treated like everyone else and be happy.
Horrors.
146 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 6:49:35am |
148 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Oct 12, 2014 6:52:09am |
re: #145 Mattand
I’ve mentioned this before, but a born-again conservative I used to work with was complaining about the Girl Scouts fostering a lesbian agenda.
It is an article of Fundamentalist faith that homosexuals prey on young people and try to recruit them at a young age. Therefore organizations like the Boy or Girl scouts would be like fish in a barrel to them.
(Not to mention altar boys)
149 | Pie-onist Overlord Oct 12, 2014 7:01:13am |
DA FUQ
Huh!?-Greg Abbott: Banning Gay Marriage Reduces Out-Of-Wedlock Births http://t.co/8wEI03LCu4 #UniteBlue #GoBlue #libcrib— Karen D Rose (@velvetus1) October 12, 2014
150 | Belafon Oct 12, 2014 7:02:34am |
re: #149 Pie-onist Overlord
Then why, if gay marriage is still illegal here in Texas, did out-of-wedlock births go up after Texas closed all of those Planned Parenthood clinics?
151 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 7:03:18am |
re: #149 Pie-onist Overlord
DA FUQ
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Physiology fail or Sociology fail—you decide.
Off to politic at the flea market. BBL
152 | sattv4u2 Oct 12, 2014 7:04:33am |
re: #151 Decatur Deb
Physiology fail or Sociology fail—you decide.
Off to politic at the flea market. BBL
I didn’t know fleas were political!!
153 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 7:05:22am |
re: #149 Pie-onist Overlord
DA FUQ
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But Davis is criticized for saying something negative about this psycho.
154 | Pie-onist Overlord Oct 12, 2014 7:11:06am |
re: #153 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
But Davis is criticized for saying something negative about this psycho.
Last week I saw two attack ads back to back.
Terri Lynn Land (Koch puppet) accusing Gary Peters of “crony capitalism” by supporting YOONYUNZ or something something
Gary Peters accusing Terri Lynn Land of “crony capitalism” because Kochs
The Kochs are using DARVO in their attack ads by accusing their opponents of “crony capitalism” when they in fact are the total masters of it
155 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 7:14:45am |
re: #154 Pie-onist Overlord
Last week I saw two attack ads back to back.
Terri Lynn Land (Koch puppet) accusing Gary Peters of “crony capitalism” by supporting YOONYUNZ or something something
Gary Peters accusing Terri Lynn Land of “crony capitalism” because Kochs
The Kochs are using DARVO in their attack ads by accusing their opponents of “crony capitalism” when they in fact are the total masters of it
That might not be a DARVO if Peters is in fact did what he’s accused of. And what is your proof Land is a “puppet”.
156 | Romantic Heretic Oct 12, 2014 7:16:55am |
re: #79 KiTA
Our culture has this weird thing where everyone feels like they’re entitled to their opinion, and this entitlement has begun to extend to the facts that they choose to believe in. People don’t have that right. People only have the right to an opinion they can defend. And facts are not opinions.
157 | ObserverArt Oct 12, 2014 7:16:58am |
Morning all. Just a quick drive-by to catch up on things.
I missed much of yesterday’s posting, especially Dark’s posts about Wendy Davis. Glad I did really. Once again a very sad display of Republican over reality.
Well…good weather today…may be one of the last really warm Ohio days yet this fall and I am getting some varnish on my newly stripped, sanded and stained front entrance door and surround. So, out to sand the coat I got on yesterday to hit it with another coating hopefully before the Browns and Steelers game.
Dark…you gotta watch all that blind following of a political party. It seems sometimes reality gets missed for party boosterism. Dangerous territory.
Later on all…
Oh yeah… SHUT UPChuck!
158 | Pie-onist Overlord Oct 12, 2014 7:27:55am |
re: #155 Dark_Falcon
That might not be a DARVO if Peters is in fact did what he’s accused of. And what is your proof Land is a “puppet”.
The accusation against Peters is that he “unionized” the Michigan lottery and that makes him a “crony capitalist” as if that even makes any sense
Terri Lynn Land is the chosen favorite of the Kochs and no one has ever denied this.
160 | sattv4u2 Oct 12, 2014 7:35:21am |
re: #159 Ryan King
I for one welcome our new Lesbian Overlords.
I’m a Lesbian Landlord, does that count??
((wonderful couple rents a floor in a three-decker I own in Massachusetts)
161 | PhillyPretzel Oct 12, 2014 7:42:19am |
162 | sattv4u2 Oct 12, 2014 7:45:17am |
re: #161 PhillyPretzel
What folks do in the privacy of their house/apartment is their own business.
Well
I did have to nix their plans of knocking out a wall between the kitchen/ dining area. They wanted an “open” concept. Would have been aesthetically nice,,, CEPT,,,, , it’s a load bearing wall!!! (and they are on the 2nd floor of a triple decker)
163 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 7:46:20am |
re: #158 Pie-onist Overlord
The accusation against Peters is that he “unionized” the Michigan lottery and that makes him a “crony capitalist” as if that even makes any sense
Terri Lynn Land is the chosen favorite of the Kochs and no one has ever denied this.
‘Chosen favorite’ doesn’t equal ‘puppet’, though.
164 | Ryan King Oct 12, 2014 7:46:50am |
re: #161 PhillyPretzel
What folks do or don’t do in the privacy of their house/apartment is their own business.
There, a little better.
I was mocking somebody ranting about a Lesbian Agenda. Whatever it is, I’m all for it.
165 | PhillyPretzel Oct 12, 2014 7:47:18am |
re: #162 sattv4u2
Okay. There should be a “load bearing wall exception.” One cannot compromise the structure of a building.
167 | sattv4u2 Oct 12, 2014 7:48:39am |
re: #165 PhillyPretzel
Okay. There should be a “load bearing wall exception.” One cannot compromise the structure of a building.
Yeah. It could have been done but at great expense.
169 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 7:55:32am |
re: #168 Ryan King
Somebody removed the load bearing posts to this thread.
Wait…those were important?
Uh-oh…
170 | Pie-onist Overlord Oct 12, 2014 7:58:24am |
No Janie, the reason I don’t like your Tweets is because you are a hateful bigot full of White Privilege
??If you don't like my tweets, you may be a Progressive,progressing away f US Constitution, free market capitalism,& common sense.#tcot ??— Janie Johnson (@jjauthor) October 12, 2014
171 | Pie-onist Overlord Oct 12, 2014 7:59:10am |
re: #163 Dark_Falcon
‘Chosen favorite’ doesn’t equal ‘puppet’, though.
In most cases it does, when it comes to the Kochs.
172 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 8:01:36am |
re: #170 Pie-onist Overlord
No Janie, the reason I don’t like your Tweets is because you are a hateful bigot full of White Privilege
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If I’m progressing away from free market capitalism, it’s because it’s as rigged as a game of Three Card Monte.
173 | Feline Fearless Leader Oct 12, 2014 8:02:12am |
re: #172 Targetpractice
If I’m progressing away from free market capitalism, it’s because it’s as rigged as a game of Three Card Monte.
But they’re just following their version of The Golden Rule.
/
174 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 8:03:17am |
re: #170 Pie-onist Overlord
No Janie, the reason I don’t like your Tweets is because you are a hateful bigot full of White Privilege
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She also retweeted this next exchange, which is chock full of Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS):
@hapkidobigdad @jjauthor It would be simple to bring in a transport full of weaponry to these brave warriors…IF obama wanted to. He doesnt
— William Csongradi (@billcsongradi) October 12, 2014
175 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 8:03:51am |
I note too often that supporters of “free market capitalism” fall into one of two groups: Those who’ve “got theirs” and those think the former will give them “theirs” if they kiss enough ass.
176 | Pie-onist Overlord Oct 12, 2014 8:05:12am |
Janie has NEVER HAD A JOB which qualifies her to make all these grandiose pronouncements about “Free Market” and “bootstraps” and “Poors are lazy moochers!”
177 | Pie-onist Overlord Oct 12, 2014 8:05:59am |
She calls herself an “author” when her 2 self-published books are:
1) Based on a Verizon commercial
2) A collection of her Tweets
178 | WhatEVs Oct 12, 2014 8:06:02am |
Dallas health worker followed ‘full CDC precautions’ with Ebola patient
A Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital worker who tested positive for Ebola in a preliminary test treated Thomas Eric Duncan after his second visit to the ER, on Sept. 28. The health worker was “following full CDC precautions,” including wearing a gown, gloves, a mask and a protective face shield.
Health officials have begun the contact tracing process to identify and check in with anybody who recently made contact with the health-care worker. Those people “will be monitored based on the nature of their interactions and the potential they were exposed to the virus,” the state’s Department of Health Services said.
179 | allegro Oct 12, 2014 8:06:12am |
re: #174 Dark_Falcon
She also retweeted this next exchange, which is chock full of Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS):
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Because trucking in a bunch o’ weaponry for our ME “allies” du jour has worked so well in the past.
180 | Timothy Watson Oct 12, 2014 8:06:21am |
re: #175 Targetpractice
I note too often that supporters of “free market capitalism” fall into one of two groups: Those who’ve “got theirs” and those think the former will give them “theirs” if they kiss enough ass.
There’s a third overarching group of people who claim that Obama is destroying “free-market capitalism” or whatever: Those who never took an economics class in their life.
181 | Timothy Watson Oct 12, 2014 8:07:48am |
re: #174 Dark_Falcon
She also retweeted this next exchange, which is chock full of Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS):
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Uh…and whose border is he going to go through to get this “transport” to the Kurds?
182 | Pie-onist Overlord Oct 12, 2014 8:07:49am |
Every time I use my laptop all my Tweetdeck settings get messed up & I start seeing people that I blocked.
183 | allegro Oct 12, 2014 8:08:32am |
re: #180 Timothy Watson
There’s a third overarching group of people who claim that Obama is destroying “free-market capitalism” or whatever: Those who never took an economics class in their life.
The ones who still buy into the RW Golden Shower con of economics.
184 | sagehen Oct 12, 2014 8:09:32am |
re: #180 Timothy Watson
There’s a third overarching group of people who claim that Obama is destroying “free-market capitalism” or whatever: Those who never took an economics class in their life.
Or they did take an econ class, but it was taught by a Straussian. Their textbooks endorsed lying to the masses to talk them into a policy agenda they’d never support if they understood, distracting them with culture war — it is a deliberate, endorsed straussian principle.
185 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 8:09:41am |
re: #178 WhatEVs
Dallas health worker followed ‘full CDC precautions’ with Ebola patient
A Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital worker who tested positive for Ebola in a preliminary test treated Thomas Eric Duncan after his second visit to the ER, on Sept. 28. The health worker was “following full CDC precautions,” including wearing a gown, gloves, a mask and a protective face shield.Health officials have begun the contact tracing process to identify and check in with anybody who recently made contact with the health-care worker. Those people “will be monitored based on the nature of their interactions and the potential they were exposed to the virus,” the state’s Department of Health Services said.
Is this like how they claimed that a computer error was why his answering yes to the question of whether he’d been to West Africa or been in contact with someone who had didn’t get relayed to the doctor?
186 | Ryan King Oct 12, 2014 8:10:49am |
This is the best fact I've read in a long time: pic.twitter.com/OSpmHhoOjp
— Adam Lang (@AdamBalfourLang) October 9, 2014
187 | WhatEVs Oct 12, 2014 8:12:51am |
re: #185 Targetpractice
Is this like how they claimed that a computer error was why his answering yes to the question of whether he’d been to West Africa or been in contact with someone who had didn’t get relayed to the doctor?
Could be. No one wants to admit to screwing up.
This is going to scare lots of people. They’re already scared as it is. And CCJs going to have a field day.
188 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 8:15:22am |
re: #181 Timothy Watson
Uh…and whose border is he going to go through to get this “transport” to the Kurds?
I think he expects it to go in by CH-47 Chinook helicopter, which both the UK and US have in the region. What that wingnut fails to mention is that ISIS is liable object to such a resupply mission rather forcefully:
The Islamic State branch in Iraq’s Salah-al-Din province has released images showing a militant firing a Chinese FN-6 man-portable air-defence system (MANPADS) at an Iraqi Army helicopter near the town of Bayji.
This is the first evidence that FN-6 MANPADS, which has been supplied to some Syrian insurgent groups, allegedly with Qatari assistance, are being used either by Islamic State or in Iraq.
The first of the images, which appear to be a sequence of stills taken from as yet unreleased video footage, shows a militant with an FN-6 and what appears to be an Mi-17 helicopter. However, one of the subsequent images clearly show wreckage from an Mi-35M, including its under-nose turret with twin 23 mm guns and a rack of four 9M114/9M120 guided missiles.
The Iraqi Ministry of Defence (MoD) confirmed that an Mi-35M was shot down near Bayji in Salah-al-Din province on 3 October. Iraqi officials said a shoulder-fired missile brought down a Bell 407 in the same area on 8 October. The Iraqi Army Aviation Command (IAAC) flies armed scout versions of the Bell 407 that are known as IA-407s.
One of the IS images shows the contrail of a missile that has changed its flight path as it homes in on its target.
This apparent confirmation of the successful use of MANPADS raises questions about the effectiveness of the countermeasures on Iraq’s Mi-35Ms, all of which have been delivered from Russia in the past year. The countermeasures include the Adron KT-01 AVE Adros infrared jamming system and flare dispensers.
189 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 8:15:40am |
re: #187 WhatEVs
Could be. No one wants to admit to screwing up.
This is going to scare lots of people. They’re already scared as it is. And CCJs going to have a field day.
It’s CYA, hospital scared shitless of lawyers sniffing around, looking to make bank holding the hospital liable for her carelessness. And that’s what I strongly suspect is the case here, that she was careless, possibly as simple and innocent as unconsciously wiping her brow after coming contact with Duncan, as that’s been suggested as the reason for other Americans falling ill so far.
190 | wheat-dogghazi Oct 12, 2014 8:17:12am |
re: #188 Dark_Falcon
But in the movies, the bad guys never see the good guys sneaking in, and when they do, their shots always miss!
//
191 | allegro Oct 12, 2014 8:19:27am |
re: #187 WhatEVs
Could be. No one wants to admit to screwing up.
This is going to scare lots of people. They’re already scared as it is. And CCJs going to have a field day.
Not admitting to a screw up, however, will add considerably to the panic. That’s what made me groan when I first heard about it this morning. Steps can be taken to prevent such errors in the future - there is a learning curve involved - but to claim that everything that could possibly be done was correctly done and STILL the disease got through. OMG panic!
192 | Timothy Watson Oct 12, 2014 8:20:53am |
re: #184 sagehen
Or they did take an econ class, but it was taught by a Straussian. Their textbooks endorsed lying to the masses to talk them into a policy agenda they’d never support if they understood, distracting them with culture war — it is a deliberate, endorsed straussian principle.
Or the Austrian schoolers who say that ‘data can’t disprove our theories’.
193 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 8:21:52am |
Of course, it may be the hospital worker who’s insisting that all the necessary precautions were taken and protocol followed to the letter, if only because she’s scared shitless of being fired for negligence.
194 | allegro Oct 12, 2014 8:23:21am |
re: #193 Targetpractice
Of course, it may be the hospital worker who’s insisting that all the necessary precautions were taken and protocol followed to the letter, if only because she’s scared shitless of being fired for negligence.
I suspect at this moment she’s pretty freaked about her more immediate future… and whether she has one.
195 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 8:24:18am |
re: #189 Targetpractice
It’s CYA, hospital scared shitless of lawyers sniffing around, looking to make bank holding the hospital liable for her carelessness. And that’s what I strongly suspect is the case here, that she was careless, possibly as simple and innocent as unconsciously wiping her brow after coming contact with Duncan, as that’s been suggested as the reason for other Americans falling ill so far.
You can scarcely fault the hospital for trying CYA, given its legal exposure, but CYA is going to get people killed.
I don’t like saying this, but it is my opinion that Ebola is a grave enough crisis that the Federal government needs to step in for cases like this and ensure the hospitals against lawsuits in some way in exchange for the hospitals not trying to cover up Ebola-related mistakes.
I realize that my proposal would get me labeled as a RINO by some Texas Republicans, but I maintain that the Founders intended the Federal government to have emergency powers for use in an epidemic and it is time some of those powers were put to use. I do not like those powers being used, but neither did FDR like using emergency powers during WWII. He did what he had to do and I would urge Barack Obama to do likewise.
196 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 8:30:30am |
re: #190 wheat-dogghazi
But in the movies, the bad guys never see the good guys sneaking in, and when they do, their shots always miss!
//
In real life, sending transports against prepared air defenses results in transports getting shot down. We’d need bases closer to Korbani to send in escorting gunships, and unless we can send escorts to perform Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses (DEAD, this is the new acronym from the USAF) AKA ‘Wild Weasel’ Missions we can;t risk our CH-47s. At minimum we’d need permission from Turkey to stage out of their territory and that permission has not been forthcoming.
Updings welcome.
197 | BlueSpotinAL Oct 12, 2014 8:32:37am |
The CDC is not in the CYA business. They will find out what happened (failure to follow protocol exactly is 99% likely), and the hospital will make it clear to all employees there would be no punishment.
198 | Sionainn Oct 12, 2014 8:40:46am |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
Teachers in the US do often have tenure, which is explained as protecting Academic Freedom. Is it your position that teachers below the college level should not have tenure?
I don’t think you understand what “tenure” means. In elementary, middle, and high school, “tenure” means that you passed your probation period. That’s all it means. It does not mean that you can never be fired. All it takes to get fired is the administration following the guidelines by documenting and following the progressive discipline for infractions (just as it is in any large private company) and the teacher can be fired.
199 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 8:45:32am |
re: #198 Sionainn
I said I wasn’t going to pursue the matter further and I won’t.
200 | Rightwingconspirator Oct 12, 2014 8:46:45am |
Happy Sunday lizardim!
re: #198 Sionainn
Take a look sometime at the scandals out of LAUSD, and how hard it is given the “due” process called for in union contract. Reform needed. My source? The head of LAUSD via The Daily Breeze
Los Angeles Unified School District Superintendent John Deasy has said there are about 350 teachers in his school system that, if given the chance, he’d fire immediately, but can’t because the administrative process for dealing with the cases is too cumbersome.
Deasy shared what he considers three egregious examples:
• A disabled special-education high school teacher who was fired by the school board in 2003 for allegedly groping students and teacher aides. Even though the state Commission on Professional Competence concluded the teacher might have sexually harassed people, it decided he should not be fired. After seven years of appeals, the district was granted permission to fire him in 2009. The district spent $1.7 million on the case.
• A fifth-grade teacher who was accused of helping students cheat on standardized tests. After listening to the testimony of several students, a state review panel in May 2013 found that the teacher did cheat, but nonetheless ordered him reinstated. The panel’s finding was overturned in Los Angeles Superior Court; it is pending on appeal. The district has spent $250,000 on the 4-year-old case.
201 | Sionainn Oct 12, 2014 8:51:39am |
re: #199 Dark_Falcon
I said I wasn’t going to pursue the matter further and I won’t.
Yeah, I saw that after I posted my comment as I was reading them in order. If you don’t care to learn something, that’s on you.
202 | Sionainn Oct 12, 2014 8:52:45am |
re: #200 Rightwingconspirator
Happy Sunday lizardim!
Take a look sometime at the scandals out of LAUSD, and how hard it is given the “due” process called for in union contract. Reform needed. My source? The head of LAUSD via The Daily Breeze
That shit doesn’t happen in my school district, and while we are not as large as LAUSD, we are one of the largest in the country.
203 | ausador Oct 12, 2014 8:57:00am |
re: #193 Targetpractice
Of course, it may be the hospital worker who’s insisting that all the necessary precautions were taken and protocol followed to the letter, if only because she’s scared shitless of being fired for negligence.
CDC director says the obvious, breach in protocol, most likely when removing protective gear.
CDC Director: New Ebola Case Shows There Was 'Clearly a Breach of Protocol' http://t.co/aGbQq37iv5 (VIDEO)— Mediaite (@Mediaite) October 12, 2014
204 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Oct 12, 2014 8:57:56am |
re: #202 Sionainn
That shit doesn’t happen in my school district, and while we are not as large as LAUSD, we are one of the largest in the country.
I read stories about a special room for teachers in NYC who are suspended and cannot teach but still cannot be fired. They are required to jut show up and sit there all day so they cannot go moonlighting, at least during daylight hours…
205 | Sionainn Oct 12, 2014 8:59:10am |
re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
I read stories about a special room for teachers in NYC who are suspended and cannot teach but still cannot be fired. They are required to jut show up and sit there all day so they cannot go moonlighting, at least during daylight hours…
Sounds like the legislature needs to get involved.
206 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 9:00:10am |
re: #201 Sionainn
Yeah, I saw that after I posted my comment as I was reading them in order. If you don’t care to learn something, that’s on you.
It’s more about not getting in trouble. Sorry, but after the past few days I’m not in a position to risk offending people this morning, and people here have been hostile to my positions on teacher unions and teacher tenure in the past. So I’ll let RWC take the lead on this one and I’ll just make sure I stay inoffensive.
207 | danarchy Oct 12, 2014 9:01:12am |
re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
I read stories about a special room for teachers in NYC who are suspended and cannot teach but still cannot be fired. They are required to jut show up and sit there all day so they cannot go moonlighting, at least during daylight hours…
Yeah just google “rubber room new york”
209 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 9:04:14am |
re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
I read stories about a special room for teachers in NYC who are suspended and cannot teach but still cannot be fired. They are required to jut show up and sit there all day so they cannot go moonlighting, at least during daylight hours…
That actually got resolved in the latter years of Michael Bloomberg’s mayorality, as the city hired more people with duties including the hearing boards for teachers.
The so-called ‘Rubber Rooms’ still exist, but those in them now wait only 3-6 months (it used to take years for the hearing to take place).
As an aside, the ‘Rubber Rooms’ formed a key part of the plot for the final episode of Law & Order.
210 | Sionainn Oct 12, 2014 9:05:47am |
Based on my link, it appears in New York that those cases people are referring to may have to do with a hearings officer having the power to keep them employed, but away from children. That could be easily fixed.
211 | Sionainn Oct 12, 2014 9:06:50am |
re: #206 Dark_Falcon
It’s more about not getting in trouble. Sorry, but after the past few days I’m not in a position to risk offending people this morning, and people here have been hostile to my positions on teacher unions and teacher tenure in the past. So I’ll let RWC take the lead on this one and I’ll just make sure I stay inoffensive.
Yet you then comment about it after this post. You make no sense to me, DF.
212 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 9:08:39am |
Speaking of schools, here’s a serious bit of DERPitude out of Mobile, Alabama. Unlike many such DERPs, it is not religious in nature:
School Has Child Sign ‘Safety Contract’
A Mobile mother is not happy about a controversial Mobile County School contract her daughter signed without her consent. The contract promises that her daughter will not kill or injure herself and others.
Rebecca is angry.
“This isn’t right. She’s 5-years-old,” said Rebecca.
Rebecca did not want Local 15 News to use her last name. She said E R Dickson school officials crossed the line when they had her daughter sign a Mobile County Public Safety Contract without her being present.
Rebecca said, “Most of these words on here, she’s never heard in her life.”
School officials told Rebecca they had to send Elizabeth home after an incident in class.
“They told me she drew something that resembled a gun,” said Rebecca. “According to them she pointed a crayon at another student and said, ‘pew pew,” said Rebecca.
213 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 9:11:54am |
re: #211 Sionainn
Yet you then comment about it after this post. You make no sense to me, DF.
I felt the need to explain myself, but I was unable to do so concisely because I have an obsessive need to explain everything.
214 | Sionainn Oct 12, 2014 9:13:58am |
re: #213 Dark_Falcon
I felt the need to explain myself, but I was unable to do so concisely because I have an obsessive need to explain everything.
I’m out. Got to clean my house.
215 | ausador Oct 12, 2014 9:14:13am |
Wonkette…
Hobby Lobby Owner Cool With Making Money From Abortion Drugs Because That’s Different http://t.co/NBOoKpddZ5 Funny how that works…— why ask (@ausador) October 12, 2014
216 | Timothy Watson Oct 12, 2014 9:15:48am |
re: #212 Dark_Falcon
Speaking of schools, here’s a serious bit of DERPitude out of Mobile, Alabama. Unlike many such DERPs, it is not religious in nature:
Whoever that school district’s attorney is apparently failed contract law.
217 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 9:26:47am |
re: #216 Timothy Watson
Whoever that school district’s attorney is apparently failed contract law.
So it would seem. Frankly, I put that one in the “Obvious Overreaction Is Obvious” file.
218 | Rightwingconspirator Oct 12, 2014 9:28:09am |
re: #202 Sionainn
Glad to hear that, this is an instance of “all politics is local’ no? One day LA will clean house, break that monstrosity up into manageable sizes.
219 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 9:28:51am |
re: #217 Dark_Falcon
So it would seem. Frankly, I put that one in the “Obvious Overreaction Is Obvious” file.
Yet consider one of the first things asked after every school shooting is “Why didn’t the school do anything about the ‘weird’ kid?!”
220 | ausador Oct 12, 2014 9:31:30am |
re: #219 Targetpractice
Yet consider one of the first things asked after every school shooting is “Why didn’t the school do anything about the ‘weird’ kid?!”
I think a 5 year old pointing a crayon at someone and making “pew, pew” noises is pretty normal actually.
221 | Rightwingconspirator Oct 12, 2014 9:31:48am |
Perspective.. The LA Times did a piece this morning that inspired me to link some old Pages about Occupy LA. What is the legacy? The author at the Times makes some excellent points. Paged.
223 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 9:35:16am |
re: #219 Targetpractice
Yet consider one of the first things asked after every school shooting is “Why didn’t the school do anything about the ‘weird’ kid?!”
True, but the reaction ought to be sane and functional, should it not? Forcing a 5-year old child to sign a contract for drawing a picture of a gun and saying “pew, pew” is the height of legalism gone amuck.
224 | ausador Oct 12, 2014 9:35:46am |
Very long and sciency article with all kinds of references, statistics, and links to dozens of other articles and studies, quite a read.
The science behind the right's irrational obsession with conspiracies http://t.co/p5HbHYJmc2 via @PaulHRosenberg
225 | dholmes32 Oct 12, 2014 9:41:13am |
re: #145 Mattand
I’ve mentioned this before, but a born-again conservative I used to work with was complaining about the Girl Scouts fostering a lesbian agenda.
My response was basically to laugh at him. He did not take it well. I’m probably lucky I didn’t get reprimanded/fired that day, as this guy was fairly high up in the pecking order.
I never did ask him what the lesbian agenda was. The few lesbians I know just wanted to be treated like everyone else and be happy.
Horrors.
About a decade ago, I upset a coworker by telling her the last Left Behind book (“Glorious Appearing”) was a horror show of evil and brutality on the part of “Jesus.” I did get a talking-to by one of the managers and told to basically keep my lip zipped. Which I’ve done. But I’m not sorry I said what I did.
226 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 9:41:57am |
re: #223 Dark_Falcon
True, but the reaction ought to be sane and functional, should it not? Forcing a 5-year old child to sign a contract for drawing a picture of a gun and saying “pew, pew” is the height of legalism gone amuck.
Dark, you and I know that tort law thrives on the idea of “warning signs” going ignored. A significant enough loss of life can make a child playing with a crayon into the next Adam Lanza.
227 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 9:46:23am |
re: #226 Targetpractice
Dark, you and I know that tort law thrives on the idea of “warning signs” going ignored. A significant enough loss of life can make a child playing with a crayon into the next Adam Lanza.
I’m not saying ‘Do Nothing’, I’m saying ‘Do something productive.’ Because having a 5-year old sign a contract that is voided by her age isn’t going to impress a judge with your diligence.
228 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 9:48:19am |
re: #227 Dark_Falcon
I’m not saying ‘Do Nothing’, I’m saying ‘Do something productive.’ Because having a 5-year old sign a contract that is voided by her age isn’t going to impress a judge with your diligence.
It’s sufficient to prove to a judge that the school acknowledged the issue and addressed it. Doing something productive might be teaching children about the dangers of guns, and I don’t live under any illusion that that would go over any better than this has.
229 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 9:51:07am |
re: #224 ausador
Very long and sciency article with all kinds of references, statistics, and links to dozens of other articles and studies, quite a read.
[Embedded content]
You just said the magic word, so its time for another of “Dark_Falcon’s articles featuring the word ‘Benghazi’ that are actually about Benghazi”:
The Derna-based Shura Council of Islamic Youth (SCIY) held a seminar on 5 October at which it declared its allegiance to the Islamic State’s ‘caliphate’ and called upon all Libyans to reject the “blasphemous principles of the [democratic] State”.
The SCIY is a militant Islamist militia established in April 2014 in Derna from the merger of the Army of the Islamic State of Libya and the Derna branch of Ansar al-Sharia. Ansar al-Sharia branches in Derna, Benghazi and Sirte share an almost identical ideology with Islamic State. In contrast, Tripoli-based Islamist groups probably aspire to control Libya’s oil exports, and some disagree with the Islamic State ideologically, while others are probably concerned that overtly supporting the Islamic State would lead to international sanctions being imposed on them.
The SCIY’s decision to join the caliphate is probably an attempt to obtain religious credibility as well as funding and military tactical assistance from Islamic State, as the group is still battling against its rival Islamist militia, the Abu Salim Martyrs’ Brigade (ABSM), to secure full control of Derna. According to social media sources, a group of Libyan fighters who were members of Islamic State in Syria returned to Derna ahead of SCIY’s pledge of allegiance. Social media sources also reported that the group would nominate an emir in the next few days to govern over the newest wilaiya (province) of the caliphate. Local media have also reported that Ansar al-Sharia in Benghazi would soon announce its support for Islamic State, with the group likely to wait until Islamists have secured full control of the city from General Khalifa Haftar’s Operation Dignity forces.
230 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 9:52:28am |
re: #228 Targetpractice
It’s sufficient to prove to a judge that the school acknowledged the issue and addressed it. Doing something productive might be teaching children about the dangers of guns, and I don’t live under any illusion that that would go over any better than this has.
Well, the NRA does have the Eddie Eagle program, so they might try that.
231 | Rightwingconspirator Oct 12, 2014 9:54:07am |
re: #228 Targetpractice
Maybe so, but I think the kid is getting the wrong message from the contract. I.E. these people are scary, stupid and I’m being coerced into something I do not really understand”. At best they learn how badly they can be misunderstood and punished anyway.
It teaches adults & children alike that a surfeit of useless actions are window dressing over a far more intractable problem. A point that reflects why we learn to question and doubt authority quite early on.
232 | Rightwingconspirator Oct 12, 2014 9:55:30am |
re: #230 Dark_Falcon
Well, the NRA does have the Eddie Eagle program, so they might try that.
ILA & HCI have made sure that Eddie Eagle is unwelcome almost everywhere in schools.
233 | Dark_Falcon Oct 12, 2014 9:58:02am |
re: #231 Rightwingconspirator
Maybe so, but I think the kid is getting the wrong message from the contract. I.E. these people are scary, stupid and I’m being coerced into something I do not really understand”. At best they learn how badly they can be misunderstood and punished anyway.
It teaches adults & children alike that a surfeit of useless actions are window dressing over a far more intractable problem. A point that reflects why we learn to question and doubt authority quite early on.
Very True.
BBL
234 | FemNaziBitch Oct 12, 2014 10:00:31am |
Because Your Cat Owns You… Found at http://t.co/kulZk6PI2I pic.twitter.com/1bM1ClmAF3— Animal Planet (@MeetAnimals) October 12, 2014
235 | FemNaziBitch Oct 12, 2014 10:03:03am |
I’ve scanned the thread, but missed the reference. Did anyone delve into the context in which the child drew the firearm?
Is it a cry for help? Did social services get involved —counseling session for the child to explain why such images upset adults?
Or did they just decide to “punish” the child.
236 | FemNaziBitch Oct 12, 2014 10:04:04am |
re: #232 Rightwingconspirator
ILA & HCI have made sure that Eddie Eagle is unwelcome almost everywhere in schools.
Which is sad because Eddie Eagle is a good program, at least as I remember it.
We educate our children about drugs and stranger danger, but not what to do if they see a firearm.
238 | Rightwingconspirator Oct 12, 2014 10:13:25am |
re: #236 FemNaziBitch
Which is sad because Eddie Eagle is a good program, at least as I remember it.
We educate our children about drugs and stranger danger, but not what to do if they see a firearm.
At this point nothing is welcome from the NRA. Almost nobody recognizes the different mission between NRA training and ILA politics. Eddie Eagle is misrepresented as promoting guns. Anger overcomes a realistic perspective. looking at you Wayne…. That’s your doing.
240 | FemNaziBitch Oct 12, 2014 10:15:57am |
re: #238 Rightwingconspirator
At this point nothing is welcome from the NRA. Almost nobody recognizes the different mission between NRA training and ILA politics. Eddie Eagle is misrepresented as promoting guns. Anger overcomes a realistic perspective. looking at you Wayne…. That’s your doing.
NO excuse for law enforcment or advocacy groups not coming up with their own program with the same message.
241 | Rightwingconspirator Oct 12, 2014 10:16:08am |
re: #235 FemNaziBitch
Next up-Kid goes camping, fishing, visits a shooting range on a big family summer vacation. Goes to school and discovers he gets suspended for drawing a picture for class of the .22 rifle he got to shoot, but the image of a dead fish and a fishing pole is fine.
242 | FemNaziBitch Oct 12, 2014 10:16:56am |
re: #240 FemNaziBitch
NO excuse for law enforcment or advocacy groups not coming up with their own program with the same message.
Again, I get pissed when people won’t do the obvious —prevent kids from dying from firearm misuse.
simple education —like a video teaching the basics —stop, don’t touch, leave the area, tell an adult —would save lives.
243 | Romantic Heretic Oct 12, 2014 10:19:01am |
re: #173 Feline Fearless Leader
But they’re just following their version of The Golden Rule.
/
Him that has the gold makes the rules.
245 | Rightwingconspirator Oct 12, 2014 10:19:18am |
re: #240 FemNaziBitch
There are lots of them, many with a message that is both pro gun safety and anti gun even in the sporting context. After all after one quite young absorbs the school lessons about guns how weird will a family trip to the range or (scandalous!!) a little sustenance hunting seem? My suggestion for a pro sporting & safety organization is the National Sports Shooting Foundation.
246 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 10:19:33am |
Here’s a thought. How about, to make all sides happy, we have parents sign waivers at the beginning of each school year saying they will not hold the school liable if their child ends up the victim of a shooting on campus. Thus the school is under no pressure to take such steps to shield itself from future liability.
247 | jaunte Oct 12, 2014 10:19:35am |
re: #242 FemNaziBitch
One problem with the program:
US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health:
RESULTS:
Both programs were effective for teaching children to reproduce verbally the gun-safety message. The behavioral skills training program but not the Eddie Eagle GunSafe Program was effective for teaching children to perform gun-safety skills during a supervised role play, but the skills were not used when the children were assessed via real-life (in situ) assessments.
CONCLUSIONS:
Existing programs are insufficient for teaching gun-safety skills to children. Programs that use active learning strategies (modeling, rehearsal, and feedback) are more effective for teaching gun-safety skills as assessed by supervised role plays but still failed to teach the children to use the skills outside the context of the training session. More research is needed to determine the most effective way to promote the use of the skills outside the training session.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
248 | Rightwingconspirator Oct 12, 2014 10:20:57am |
re: #246 Targetpractice
OTOH we could have a rational look at safety instead of this zero tolerance psych out.
250 | Rightwingconspirator Oct 12, 2014 10:22:40am |
re: #247 jaunte
One problem with the program:
US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health:
So quit wasting money on Smoky The Bear too? It’s the same approach.
251 | FemNaziBitch Oct 12, 2014 10:22:52am |
@kommonKat Q: What's the difference between Ebola & the GOP? A: One scares the ignorant into fearing foreigners, the other is Ebola.— ThirtyBirdy (@ThirtyBirdy) October 12, 2014
252 | jaunte Oct 12, 2014 10:22:53am |
re: #249 De Kolta Chair
Those must be the guys that engineered that bridge. No wonder she’s pissed.
253 | FemNaziBitch Oct 12, 2014 10:23:49am |
re: #247 jaunte
One problem with the program:
US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health:
So, let’s come-up with a program that works. …
Berating the NRA, ignoring the issue, or just telling them that guns are bad doesn’t seem to keep kids from being curious.
254 | jaunte Oct 12, 2014 10:24:44am |
re: #250 Rightwingconspirator
So quit wasting money on Smoky The Bear too? It’s the same approach.
Probably:
How The Smokey Bear Effect Led To Raging Wildfires
255 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 10:25:00am |
re: #248 Rightwingconspirator
OTOH we could have a rational look at safety instead of this zero tolerance psych out.
Who decides what’s “rational”?
256 | FemNaziBitch Oct 12, 2014 10:25:59am |
For the record, the Eddie Eagle video worked on my kid. He saw a cap gun in a friends basement when he was 7 and ran upstairs to tell us there was a gun downstairs.
YMMV
257 | FemNaziBitch Oct 12, 2014 10:26:46am |
To be fair, teaching kids about drugs etc has seemed to back-fire as well… .
YMMV
258 | Rightwingconspirator Oct 12, 2014 10:27:15am |
re: #255 Targetpractice
Who decides what’s “rational”?
Competent educators and safety experts rather than politically driven administrators?
259 | FemNaziBitch Oct 12, 2014 10:27:22am |
My only answer to everything:
Comprehensive Sex Ed and Cost-free Birth Control.
260 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 10:27:34am |
re: #258 Rightwingconspirator
Competent educators and safety experts rather than politically driven administrators?
And where do the parents fit in?
261 | Romantic Heretic Oct 12, 2014 10:28:14am |
re: #192 Timothy Watson
Or the Austrian schoolers who say that ‘data can’t disprove our theories’.
Blink. Blink.
So von Mises and his followers admit they’ve pulled their theory out of their collective asses, and they have no problem with that.
262 | FemNaziBitch Oct 12, 2014 10:28:16am |
re: #258 Rightwingconspirator
Competent educators and safety experts rather than politically driven administrators?
Educated, sane adults who keep their firearms secure and ammo store separately?
Well, who is going to educate the adults?
arghhhhhhhhh
264 | FemNaziBitch Oct 12, 2014 10:29:27am |
re: #260 Targetpractice
And where do the parents fit in?
I’m so frigging tired of this response.
We have to come to grips with the fact that parents often have the emotional maturity of a 10 year old.
Parents are not God.
265 | Jenner7 Oct 12, 2014 10:30:03am |
Updated: St. Louis PD arrest 17 protesters last night, say chief “nearly” hit w/a rock, during sit-in at QuikTrip http://t.co/Ij7ZSWqCvZ— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) October 12, 2014
Liars.
267 | Rightwingconspirator Oct 12, 2014 10:33:14am |
re: #256 FemNaziBitch
For the record, the Eddie Eagle video worked on my kid. He saw a cap gun in a friends basement when he was 7 and ran upstairs to tell us there was a gun downstairs.
YMMV
NRA courses in my youth helped me a lot. we were an outdoor active family. Shooting, hunting, cabin vacations. I must have had a couple hundred students through my NRA classes. I don’t find those programs to be ineffective when compared to zero lessons given.
Eddie gets the side eye from anyone that is not pro gun sports. Smoky gets a pass. The views on this are warped by the gun thing. When did you ever see anyone question Smoky The Bear or that detective dog for efficacy? Eddie Eagle in the anti gun view is right there with Joe Camel-A deliberate evil aimed at children. It’s unfortunate but again I lay that blame on Wayne LaPierre. He ruined the organization.
268 | danarchy Oct 12, 2014 10:33:25am |
re: #226 Targetpractice
Dark, you and I know that tort law thrives on the idea of “warning signs” going ignored. A significant enough loss of life can make a child playing with a crayon into the next Adam Lanza.
For generations every kid in America has played cops and robbers, or cowboys and indians or GI Joe, or even just with squirt guns. What percentage of those kids went on to become mass murders, I would wager a vanishingly small percentage, approaching zero. That tells me as an indicator of anything it is piss poor. How about we focus on things that are actual indicators of psychological issues.
269 | Rightwingconspirator Oct 12, 2014 10:34:35am |
re: #260 Targetpractice
And where do the parents fit in?
Lessons at home. Shaping school policy? Pffft. Not Allowed. Ever.
270 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 10:35:51am |
re: #268 danarchy
For generations every kid in America has played cops and robbers, or cowboys and indians or GI Joe, or even just with squirt guns. What percentage of those kids went on to become mass murders, I would wager a vanishingly small percentage, approaching zero. That tells me as an indicator of anything it is piss poor. How about we focus on things that are actual indicators of psychological issues.
I seem to remember a much publicized case of a kid getting submitted for involuntary commitment and psychological evaluation by school administrators without his parents permission. And the massive stink that was raised by the idea that schools should have any say on whether a child is evaluated for mental illness versus their concerns simply being voiced to the parents.
272 | Romantic Heretic Oct 12, 2014 10:39:38am |
re: #200 Rightwingconspirator
Happy Sunday lizardim!
Take a look sometime at the scandals out of LAUSD, and how hard it is given the “due” process called for in union contract. Reform needed. My source? The head of LAUSD via The Daily Breeze
To my mind, calling for the end of unions because they aren’t perfect is a severe double standard. In my experience the people backing this position would never even consider getting rid of capitalism because of the fuck ups (Which are often worse and hurt more people) that occur under its aegis.
Plus I don’t want people losing their jobs on accusations, or because their superiors are jackasses, or they were in a pissy mood that day. Due process is expensive in money but the alternative is expensive in pain.
273 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 10:40:10am |
re: #269 Rightwingconspirator
Lessons at home. Shaping school policy? Pffft. Not Allowed. Ever.
Nice wish. In the real world, we have entire swaths of parents who raise a stink if the school sends home a permission slip for their child to attend sex ed classes. How many you figure will opt their kids out of a course on gun safety?
275 | Rightwingconspirator Oct 12, 2014 10:41:04am |
re: #272 Romantic Heretic
I’m not calling for an end to unions, I’m calling for an end to the power imbalances that have led to the quandaries we discuss. I try not to do the knee jerk extreme thing.
276 | Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 12, 2014 10:43:47am |
In Colorado:
TRAFFIC ALERT: Both directions of I-70 closed between Silverthorne and Vail - http://t.co/G77UoeI5Gs pic.twitter.com/dXdvTpTnQv
— 7NEWS Denver Channel (@DenverChannel) October 12, 2014
277 | Rightwingconspirator Oct 12, 2014 10:44:19am |
re: #273 Targetpractice
Nice wish. In the real world, we have entire swaths of parents who raise a stink if the school sends home a permission slip for their child to attend sex ed classes. How many you figure will opt their kids out of a course on gun safety?
Just to hazard a guess, those parents resisting sex ed will welcome eddie eagle. And those that would object to Eddie eagle will sign off on sex ed in a hot minute. This reflects on our divided society, not your comment btw.
I’n not certain of hardly any of this except an understanding we can improve.
Gotta just lurk- get to the kitchen, the thought of breakfast intrudes.
278 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 10:48:18am |
re: #277 Rightwingconspirator
Just to hazard a guess, those parents resisting sex ed will welcome eddie eagle. And those that would object to Eddie eagle will sign off on sex ed in a hot minute. This reflects on our divided society, not your comment btw.
I’n not certain of hardly any of this except an understanding we can improve.
Gotta just lurk- get to the kitchen, the thought of breakfast intrudes.
I admit that I’m allowing my contrarian streak out to play a bit today. While on a personal level I feel “zero tolerance” policies to be a sign of laziness, on a practical level I have to acknowledge that we don’t live in an ideal world where schools can be free to approach each matter in a practical fashion and not end up being sued for it when something goes wrong.
279 | ausador Oct 12, 2014 10:50:25am |
re: #271 Ryan King
Boy it is a good thing that unicorns are imaginary and this can never happen…
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280 | jaunte Oct 12, 2014 10:53:20am |
Mark Knoller being a Unicorn:
@markknoller Let's hear a count from you of how many days congress so far this year has been on vacation. We're WAITING…
— aspirational12 (@aspirational12) October 12, 2014
281 | Targetpractice Oct 12, 2014 10:54:22am |
re: #280 jaunte
Mark Knoller being a Unicorn:
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At this point, I’m pretty sure the President would have to take off the next two years to match the number of vacation days C-Plus Augustus took in his 8 years.
282 | jaunte Oct 12, 2014 10:55:41am |
This was one of the ads using a racial appeal cited by Judge Ramos in opinion striking down Texas voter ID law. pic.twitter.com/bwoGPFYWb2
— Michael Li (@mcpli) October 12, 2014
Blackbirds. Hurrr. Get it?
283 | Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 12, 2014 10:59:12am |
Pac Man invasion. #StreetArt pic.twitter.com/Y9fSKE73yg
— Mohd. Imran (乇мմTM) (@TheSoulfulEMU) October 10, 2014
284 | ausador Oct 12, 2014 11:06:42am |
Dim Jim tweets out about his latest article in which he says that CDC and health officials have no idea how nurse got Ebola, results from his fans are predictable…
@KingShamus @Coondawg68 @gatewaypundit @CDC A BUNCH OF LIARS PAID BY OGAY 4 DEPOPULATION,DOING NOTHING,WONT STOP FLIGHTS,WONT CLOSE BORDERS— debra (@akawhit1) October 12, 2014
285 | Timothy Watson Oct 12, 2014 11:08:53am |
At the risk of pissing someone off, I find it really offensive that I need to take a online training lesson to learn not to rape women:
Dear VCU Students,
Although this message is intended for you, I also want professors, staff, alumni, and your parents to know about actions we are taking as part of our commitment to your success and to provide a safe and healthy learning experience and campus environment.
Nationwide, college students report sexual assault, harassment, domestic-dating violence and stalking incidents. Rightly so, federal laws and regulatory guidance have increased a focus on these campus and societal issues, aiming to reduce these incidents by increasing education, transparency and accountability at colleges and universities.
VCU quickly joined institutions across the country in requiring students to learn about sexual violence, bystander intervention and risk reduction strategies. I also signed a joint declaration with other Virginia colleges and universities to work together to aggressively combat sexual violence on campuses, an important initiative taken by Governor McAuliffe. Additionally, I have directed a thorough review of current programs to ensure that VCU’s outreach, support, and compliance efforts are fully consistent with current state and federal guidance.
As VCU students, you will soon receive instructions from the Student Affairs Division to complete online training that is meant to provide you with the knowledge and skills to contribute to a safer community at VCU. Although it is a rare occasion when the university requires training, this training is vital to your safety and the safety of others, so it is mandatory.
Thank you for your diligent participation in this important training. Through this and other university efforts and resources, we are committed to establishing a campus culture that is safe and supportive of all of our students, faculty and staff.
286 | Shiplord Kirel Oct 12, 2014 11:09:22am |
One of my conservative FB friends has connected the new ebola case with tonight’s season premier of The Walking Dead.
He’s kidding (I think).
287 | wrenchwitch Oct 12, 2014 11:13:55am |
re: #285 Timothy Watson
At the risk of pissing someone off, I find it really offensive that I need to take a online training lesson to learn not to rape women:
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Maybe you can learn about this [from that letter]:
bystander intervention
That’s not offensive, is it?
288 | Shiplord Kirel Oct 12, 2014 11:15:20am |
If Romney had won, the RWNJs would be on their knees thanking Jesus that the President’s inspired leadership had limited our ebola outbreak to just two confirmed cases.
289 | Timothy Watson Oct 12, 2014 11:15:26am |
re: #287 wrenchwench
I have to be told to not let someone else rape someone?
290 | ausador Oct 12, 2014 11:16:14am |
re: #285 Timothy Watson
At the risk of pissing someone off, I find it really offensive that I need to take a online training lesson to learn not to rape women:
Seems to be purely pre-emptive, so people cannot later say they were unaware that their actions violated the school’s policies. Wouldn’t fulfill its purpose if everyone wasn’t required to view the training materials.
291 | wrenchwitch Oct 12, 2014 11:16:40am |
re: #289 Timothy Watson
I have to be told to not let someone else rape someone?
Do you already know all about how and when to intervene?
292 | Dr. Matt Oct 12, 2014 11:16:59am |
re: #288 Shiplord Kirel
If Romney had won, the RWNJs would be on their knees thanking Jesus that the President’s inspired leadership had limited our ebola outbreak to just two confirmed cases.
And with the employment at a 6 year low and stock market at an all-time high, they would be adding him to Mt. Rushmore.
293 | jaunte Oct 12, 2014 11:17:00am |
re: #284 ausador
Phyllis Schlafly, in a recent WND interview:
“Out of all the things he’s done,” Schlafly told WorldNetDaily in an interview this week, “I think this thing of letting these diseased people into this country to infect our own people is just the most outrageous of all.”
Obama doesn’t want America to believe that we’re exceptional,” Phyllis whined. “He wants us to be just like everybody else, and if Africa is suffering from Ebola, we ought to join the group and be suffering from it, too. That’s his attitude.”
294 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 11:17:37am |
re: #287 wrenchwench
Maybe you can learn about this [from that letter]:
That’s not offensive, is it?
By 8th grade, Sister Mary Claver taught me everything I need to know to prevent raping someone.
Note the school course includes ‘risk reduction strategies’. Sounds like a good place to step on their dicks (figuratively speaking).
295 | Dr. Matt Oct 12, 2014 11:19:21am |
Rick Perry's “healthcare system” is the real death panel. #Ebola— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) October 12, 2014
296 | jaunte Oct 12, 2014 11:20:05am |
re: #284 ausador
Dim Jim tweets out about his latest article in which he says that CDC and health officials have no idea how nurse got Ebola, results from his fans are predictable…
RT @LibyaLiberty: You know, flying in from Africa International Airport located in Africaville. pic.twitter.com/T8gIYz9iKY
— Dianne Gallagher (@DianneG) October 12, 2014
297 | Timothy Watson Oct 12, 2014 11:20:30am |
re: #291 wrenchwench
Do you already know all about how and when to intervene?
That requires a class?
298 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 11:22:02am |
re: #297 Timothy Watson
That requires a class?
That 12th online PowerPoint will nail it for you. It has fade-in/fade-out and everything.
299 | wrenchwitch Oct 12, 2014 11:23:04am |
re: #297 Timothy Watson
That requires a class?
Apparently.
Such a shame that there’s so many rapes on campuses that haven’t been dealt with satisfactorily, creating the need for a terrible inconvenience and offense to young men such as yourself.
Maybe your annoyance should be directed at the rapists or the administrators who didn’t punish them.
300 | ausador Oct 12, 2014 11:23:30am |
re: #292 Dr. Matt
And with the employment at a 6 year low and stock market at an all-time high, they would be adding him to Mt. Rushmore.
Well if not quite that at least canonizing him alongside St. Reagan.
301 | gwangung Oct 12, 2014 11:23:43am |
re: #260 Targetpractice
And where do the parents fit in?
Belt and suspenders.
(Though, to be honest, there a LOT of adults who need this education too)
302 | Timothy Watson Oct 12, 2014 11:24:16am |
re: #299 wrenchwench
Apparently.
Such a shame that there’s so many rapes on campuses that haven’t been dealt with satisfactorily, creating the need for a terrible inconvenience and offense to young men such as yourself.
Maybe your annoyance should be directed at the rapists or the administrators who didn’t punish them.
Last I checked, college administrators weren’t appointed by a vote of the students.
303 | Romantic Heretic Oct 12, 2014 11:25:14am |
re: #275 Rightwingconspirator
I’m not calling for an end to unions, I’m calling for an end to the power imbalances that have led to the quandaries we discuss. I try not to do the knee jerk extreme thing.
Let’s look at that article from my point of view.
First, the article cites a person who has a vested interest in getting rid of the union. Second although he claims ‘350 teachers who he’d fire’ if it weren’t for that blasted ‘due process’ he cites only three really egregious examples. In a school district with thousands of teachers that is hardly an example of ‘power imbalance’.
Now let’s take a look at what things might be like without due process.
A kid is failing his class because he won’t do the work and keeps getting disciplined by the teacher for not doing so. The kid, knowing how people react to such accusations goes to an administrator and accuses the teacher of fondling them.
BOOM! That teacher is not only fired but their career is over. They’ll never work in the field again, and considering the accusation they might have to flee for their lives. Without due process how is the teacher going to defend themselves because I guarantee, given the nature of the accusation, that the school district is not going to attempt to prove the truth of the offence. Pedophilia is a crime that needs no evidence in most people’s minds.
Or, another example. There is no union and a teacher is trying to organize one. Without due process the superintendent can fire that teacher, and blacklist them as well. It’s happened multiple times in history.
Mr. Deasy is not concerned with power imbalance. He’s concerned that it’s not imbalanced in his favor.
304 | wrenchwitch Oct 12, 2014 11:25:45am |
re: #302 Timothy Watson
Last I checked, college administrators weren’t appointed by a vote of the students.
So what will you do?
305 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 11:26:07am |
re: #299 wrenchwench
Apparently.
Such a shame that there’s so many rapes on campuses that haven’t been dealt with satisfactorily, creating the need for a terrible inconvenience and offense to young men such as yourself.
Maybe your annoyance should be directed at the rapists or the administrators who didn’t punish them.
Rape is a crime. It belongs in the world of cops/courts/prisons. How the hell did the Dean of Student Life become competent in this?
306 | sattv4u2 Oct 12, 2014 11:27:50am |
re: #305 Decatur Deb
Rape is a crime. It belongs in the world of cops/courts/prisons. How the hell did the Dean of Student Life become competent in this?
He took an online class!!!
Wait ,, wha!?!?!?
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307 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 11:28:26am |
re: #285 Timothy Watson
Well, maybe I also don’t like to go through the airport security procedure. I know I’m not a terrorist, why should I? ;)
308 | sattv4u2 Oct 12, 2014 11:30:00am |
re: #307 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
Well, maybe I also don’t like to go through the airport security procedure. I know I’m not a terrorist, why should I? ;)
A security check at the airport will stop a terrorist if they try to go through it
An online class won’t stop a rapist is he goes through it
309 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 11:30:28am |
re: #307 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
Well, maybe I also don’t like to go through the airport security procedure. I know I’m not a terrorist, why should I? ;)
Why doesn’t the TSA just make you take an online course while you’re stuck in Atlanta-Hartsfield?
310 | Timothy Watson Oct 12, 2014 11:30:40am |
re: #304 wrenchwench
So what will you do?
Is that a trick question? Am I supposed to run for Governor, appoint people to the university’s Board of Visitors, and make sure that the university has administrators that are doing their jobs?
And watching a video which I can (apparently) mute and leave to run in the background is going to change that?
I’m trying to not be contrary here, but, really, this is what the college’s brilliant solution to sexual violence is?
311 | sattv4u2 Oct 12, 2014 11:31:31am |
re: #309 Decatur Deb
Why doesn’t the TSA just make you take an online course while you’re stuck in Atlanta-Hartsfield?
I’ve spent worse time there!!!
312 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 11:32:54am |
re: #311 sattv4u2
I’ve spent worse time there!!!
I used to love to stand outside the glass aquarium they set up for addicted smokers. Sometimes they would disappear into the blue haze.
313 | sattv4u2 Oct 12, 2014 11:34:10am |
re: #312 Decatur Deb
I used to love to stand outside the glass aquarium they set up for addicted smokers. Sometimes they would disappear into the blue haze.
Once pot is legalized everywhere, I wonder if they’ll set up a separate one for those smokers!
314 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 11:34:45am |
re: #313 sattv4u2
Once pot is legalized everywhere, I wonder if they’ll set up a separate one for those smokers!
With an “Aircrew Only” section.
315 | Timothy Watson Oct 12, 2014 11:35:05am |
re: #313 sattv4u2
Once pot is legalized everywhere, I wonder if they’ll set up a separate one for those smokers!
I foresee some staring contests with the fish.
316 | sattv4u2 Oct 12, 2014 11:35:44am |
re: #314 Decatur Deb
With an “Aircrew Only” section.
Gives the Mile High Club a whole new meaning
(although,,, truth be told ,, I’d prefer being a member of the original)
317 | ausador Oct 12, 2014 11:36:27am |
Did anyone ever count how many times Bush went to Texas to “chop brush” on his ranch? I seem to remember it was quite a few times and that they lasted for days/weeks, not 45 minutes to play a few holes.
.@markknoller 200th round? That is terrible! How dare a man who is “on call 24/7 365” indulge himself in a stress relieving activity!— why ask (@ausador) October 12, 2014
319 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 11:38:05am |
re: #308 sattv4u2
Not every rape is physically violent, yet many people assume that it’s the only “legitimate” form. Not every young man understands that consent is not such a simple thing, especially where alcohol is involved. So if this course corrects some misconceptions, this helps both young men and women.
320 | wrenchwitch Oct 12, 2014 11:38:30am |
re: #305 Decatur Deb
Rape is a crime. It belongs in the world of cops/courts/prisons. How the hell did the Dean of Student Life become competent in this?
Not necessarily competent, just responsible, as a last ditch CYA action on the part of the administrators who should have handed every case to the cops in the first place.
I guess they’re trying to make it not happen any more so they won’t have to bring in the cops still.
321 | Amory Blaine Oct 12, 2014 11:38:38am |
There is no “balance”. When the unions are gone, the government will be filled with nothing but toadies for big business. If unions aren’t exactly perfect in efficiency I say too fucking bad.
322 | sattv4u2 Oct 12, 2014 11:40:28am |
Halftime
Out to get dinner prepped before 2nd half kickoff
323 | Pie-onist Overlord Oct 12, 2014 11:41:44am |
re: #317 ausador
Did anyone ever count how many times Bush went to Texas to “chop brush” on his ranch? I seem to remember it was quite a few times and that they lasted for days/weeks, not 45 minutes to play a few holes.
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Ike played 800 rounds of golf during his presidency, a record that is unlikely to be superceded by Obama.
324 | Timothy Watson Oct 12, 2014 11:42:25am |
re: #319 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
Not every rape is physically violent, yet many people assume that it’s the only “legitimate” form. Not every young man understands that consent is not such a simple thing, especially where alcohol is involved. So if this course corrects some misconceptions, this helps both young men and women.
Except having 18-21 years old “watch” a video (the quotes because you can apparently mute the video and let it play in the background) for an online training course is not the way to teach that.
Hell, I have to do online training courses for my work (one is a laughable one on cybersecurity and the other is procedures for credit card usage for the organization), do any of you guys actually pay attention to a word on those? I remember someone the other day on here was complaining about them.
325 | Dr. Matt Oct 12, 2014 11:42:33am |
Tony Perkins (R-Douche) has defined marriage (yet again): “Marriage is not to affirm adults, it’s for the protection of children,”
326 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 11:42:34am |
re: #320 wrenchwench
Not necessarily competent, just responsible, as a last ditch CYA action on the part of the administrators who should have handed every case to the cops in the first place.
I guess they’re trying to make it not happen any more so they won’t have to bring in the cops still.
I don’t see them as any more responsible than any responsible citizen, except as it impacts their employees. We got rid of ‘in loco parentis’ a generation ago. Rape is a police matter, and failing to report it should bring any penalties called for in the jurisdiction.
Of course none of us have seen the online offering. It might have vague informative value as long as it’s not a Microsoft product featuring Clippy.
327 | Amory Blaine Oct 12, 2014 11:43:06am |
Another thing, unions dont hire people, management does and if they’re so incompetent they hire reams of stupid people, well unions work with the workers they have, not the workers they want.
328 | wrenchwitch Oct 12, 2014 11:43:54am |
re: #310 Timothy Watson
Is that a trick question? Am I supposed to run for Governor, appoint people to the university’s Board of Visitors, and make sure that the university has administrators that are doing their jobs?
And watching a video which I can (apparently) mute and leave to run in the background is going to change that?
I’m trying to not be contrary here, but, really, this is what the college’s brilliant solution to sexual violence is?
If you didn’t want to discuss it, you would not have posted about it here. I’m not asking any trick questions. I don’t think this is at all brilliant on the part of the college.
When I was in college, I was exceptionally involved in campus politics. I was part of organizations, I held a position called a ‘student lobbyist’ for a while, a friend of mine ran for student body president and won against all expectations.
So maybe I have some kind of delusion that there is something you could do on your campus. I must admit, my campus activities had no long-lasting effects there, but they might have had one on me.
329 | wrenchwitch Oct 12, 2014 11:45:05am |
re: #319 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
Not every rape is physically violent, yet many people assume that it’s the only “legitimate” form. Not every young man understands that consent is not such a simple thing, especially where alcohol is involved. So if this course corrects some misconceptions, this helps both young men and women.
Bingo.
330 | Timothy Watson Oct 12, 2014 11:47:01am |
re: #319 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
Not every rape is physically violent, yet many people assume that it’s the only “legitimate” form. Not every young man understands that consent is not such a simple thing, especially where alcohol is involved. So if this course corrects some misconceptions, this helps both young men and women.
Addendum: I think that’s a fair point to bring up about the media: Police and crime shows almost exclusively show stranger/violent cases of rape, just like how they always portray child sex abuse coming from strangers when the vast majority of cases are perpetrated by acquaintances of the parents or family members themselves.
331 | Rightwingconspirator Oct 12, 2014 11:47:18am |
re: #303 Romantic Heretic
I’m not here to speak to Deasy’s interests. I can’t speak for his motives. I do see that power pendulum could swing a good long ways before it was in the administrations favor. How about we agree getting rid of unions and due process is not a goal I share. Unions have done a lot of good. UTLA has had some glorious and worthy moments.
This is my home town. i grew up and got most of my early education from LAUSD. Many of my friends have kids and face real hardships due to shortcomings there. Locals (at least those that care) watch carefully.
Again this is not a contest of extremes. Union yes or Union no. Lets reject ad absurdum. There are instances where the unions have the upper hand by far by far and it’s not gone well. As much as that uncomfortable fact flies in the face of contemporary rhetoric it’s still there. For another example consider the California prison guard union.
No sense in trading examples much though, understand my point is we are best served by a balance of power. I’m pointing to a place where that is a goal not a fact. Checks and balances my friend, checks and balances. In a system like ours imbalances happen in any direction over time.
332 | wrenchwitch Oct 12, 2014 11:47:24am |
re: #326 Decatur Deb
I don’t see them as any more responsible than any responsible citizen, except as it impacts their employees. We got rid of ‘in loco parentis’ a generation ago. Rape is a police matter, and failing to report is should bring any penalties called for in the jurisdiction.
Yeah, the responsibility has been ‘handed’ to them, but it may not hold up in court. First order of business is to keep administrators out of court.
Of course none of us have seen the online offering. It might have vague informative value as long as it’s not a Microsoft product featuring Clippy.
Maybe Timothy can get us a copy.
333 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 11:49:20am |
re: #324 Timothy Watson
Hey, the implementation is a different issue. I think the initial complaint was that you have to go through such a thing at all.
334 | Amory Blaine Oct 12, 2014 11:49:51am |
Most women are raped by people they know and trust. It is incumbent on everyone to make sure all our dumb friends know.
335 | Jenner7 Oct 12, 2014 11:50:29am |
@haas24712 @ChuckCJohnson please stop tweeting at me— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) October 12, 2014
Little troll is still harassing Wesley….
336 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 11:51:48am |
Michael Shermer could have benefited from a similar course. I’m just sayin.
337 | A Mom Anon Oct 12, 2014 11:53:28am |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
Where do they have tenure? All the teachers I know are on a year to year contract and aren’t in unions. They belong instead to “associations” that don’t have any control over anything regarding benefits or salaries. The situation is even less stable for special education or “extras” teachers (art, music, PE, etc) whose jobs can disappear with any new budget. It’s been that way in many parts of the country for quite awhile now.
338 | Timothy Watson Oct 12, 2014 11:56:27am |
re: #328 wrenchwench
If you didn’t want to discuss it, you would not have posted about it here. I’m not asking any trick questions. I don’t think this is at all brilliant on the part of the college.
When I was in college, I was exceptionally involved in campus politics. I was part of organizations, I held a position called a ‘student lobbyist’ for a while, a friend of mine ran for student body president and won against all expectations.
So maybe I have some kind of delusion that there is something you could do on your campus. I must admit, my campus activities had no long-lasting effects there, but they might have had one on me.
I’m more than willing to discuss it, you seem to suggest that I’m, somehow, supposed to make sure that administrators are doing to their jobs when sexual violence is reported to them. How, exactly, am I supposed to do that? The President of a public university in Virginia isn’t accountable to students in any meaningful way. The university isn’t allowed to release details in those cases due to FERPA.
(Part of the gap between our perspectives might be that I am a commuter student who lives a long ways from the campus of the university, so I don’t exactly have the attitude of someone who is deeply involved with the university.)
339 | wrenchwitch Oct 12, 2014 11:57:23am |
re: #336 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
Michael Shermer could have benefited from a similar course. I’m just sayin.
Oh geez, I didn’t know, so I looked. :-(
340 | Timothy Watson Oct 12, 2014 11:58:44am |
re: #336 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
Michael Shermer could have benefited from a similar course. I’m just sayin.
See also: CeeLo Green?
341 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 11:58:50am |
re: #338 Timothy Watson
I’m more than willing to discuss it, you seem to suggest that I’m, somehow, supposed to make sure that administrators are doing to their jobs when sexual violence is reported to them. How, exactly, am I supposed to do that? The President of a public university in Virginia isn’t accountable to students in any meaningful way. The university isn’t allowed to release details in those cases due to FERPA.
(Part of the gap between our perspectives might be that I am a commuter student who lives a long ways from the campus of the university, so I don’t exactly have the attitude of someone who is deeply involved with the university.)
Who is teaching people to report felonies to educators? Do people tell the Bursar when their car is stolen? If someone is raped, go to the cops.
342 | Pie-onist Overlord Oct 12, 2014 12:00:18pm |
.@markknoller Obama could play golf 24/7 for the rest of his Presidency and still not get close to Ike's 800 rounds pic.twitter.com/h0sayGtuPj— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) October 12, 2014
343 | Dr. Matt Oct 12, 2014 12:00:54pm |
re: #337 A Mom Anon
Where do they have tenure? All the teachers I know are on a year to year contract and aren’t in unions. .
I concur. I have lived in 5 different states and I have never heard of a K to 12 school teacher that had tenure. It could exist in some areas or in some situations, but it’s not commonplace.
344 | Timothy Watson Oct 12, 2014 12:03:43pm |
re: #341 Decatur Deb
Who is teaching people to report felonies to educators? Do people tell the Bursar when their car is stolen? If someone is raped, go to the cops.
They do have obligations under Title IX and the Clery Act, but the exact obligations are open to interpretation.
345 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 12:05:33pm |
re: #343 Dr. Matt
I concur. I have lived in 5 different states and I have never heard of a K to 12 school teacher that had tenure. It could exist in some areas or in some situations, but it’s not commonplace.
It works that way in Alabama, though the power of the AEA contract is exaggerated. It doesn’t mean the Art or PE (Hah!) Department won’t be eliminated. It governs who loses a job first. It cost our HS a lot of court fees to get rid of a teacher who had lost it. That was mostly the inept administrators’ fault.
346 | wrenchwitch Oct 12, 2014 12:05:38pm |
re: #338 Timothy Watson
I’m more than willing to discuss it, you seem to suggest that I’m, somehow, supposed to make sure that administrators are doing to their jobs when sexual violence is reported to them. How, exactly, am I supposed to do that? The President of a public university in Virginia isn’t accountable to students in any meaningful way. The university isn’t allowed to release details in those cases due to FERPA.
(Part of the gap between our perspectives might be that I am a commuter student who lives a long ways from the campus of the university, so I don’t exactly have the attitude of someone who is deeply involved with the university.)
I guess all I’m doing is offering alternatives to whining about it, which doesn’t look good, which I think you know because your original post on the matter included, ‘At the risk of pissing someone off’.
347 | allegro Oct 12, 2014 12:06:10pm |
To my thinking a rape prevention course would include some consciousness raising to help break apart the rape culture. It would point out that rape jokes aren’t funny so that when men hear them they say, “Dude, not even funny.” It would include cues on when victim blaming is happening - yes, we as a culture need those since they are so much a part of our collective mentality. It would give a young man pause when he starts to objectify women and recognize it when others are. Such a course would address sexist attitudes and comments that make women “less than” and to place their roles as those which are there to serve men.
THIS is rape prevention. And it very much is a collective responsibility.
348 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 12:06:44pm |
re: #346 wrenchwench
I guess all I’m doing is offering alternatives to whining about it, which doesn’t look good, which I think you know because your original post on the matter included, ‘At the risk of pissing someone off’.
Aren’t we required to keep someone pissed off in each time zone?
349 | wrenchwitch Oct 12, 2014 12:07:41pm |
re: #348 Decatur Deb
Aren’t we required to keep someone pissed off in each time zone?
Gus used to be more help on that score in my time zone.
350 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 12:08:26pm |
351 | Dr. Matt Oct 12, 2014 12:08:57pm |
re: #345 Decatur Deb
It works that way in Alabama, though the power of the AEA contract is exaggerated. It doesn’t mean the Art or PE (Hah!) Department won’t be eliminated. It governs who loses a job first. It cost our HS a lot of court fees to get rid of a teacher who had lost it. That was mostly the inept administrators’ fault.
Interesting. Alabama is the last place I thought tenure would exist for grade school teachers.
352 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 12:09:11pm |
re: #347 allegro
To my thinking a rape prevention course would include some consciousness raising to help break apart the rape culture. It would point out that rape jokes aren’t funny so that when men hear them they say, “Dude, not even funny.” It would include cues on when victim blaming is happening - yes, we as a culture need those since they are so much a part of our collective mentality. It would give a young man pause when he starts to objectify women and recognize it when others are. Such a course would address sexist attitudes and comments that make women “less than” and to place their roles as those which are there to serve men.
THIS is rape prevention. And it very much is a collective responsibility.
College is about 6 years late for that.
353 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 12:09:51pm |
re: #351 Dr. Matt
Interesting. Alabama is the last place I thought tenure would exist for grade school teachers.
It was that or Advanced Placement Alchemy.
354 | Waxing Rapsodik Oct 12, 2014 12:10:46pm |
re: #349 wrenchwench
Gus used to be more help on that score in my time zone.
What is your time zone?
Mine’s CST
355 | allegro Oct 12, 2014 12:11:39pm |
re: #352 Decatur Deb
College is about 6 years late for that.
I disagree. It is NEVER too late for that.
356 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 12:12:10pm |
re: #351 Dr. Matt
Interesting. Alabama is the last place I thought tenure would exist for grade school teachers.
My daughter, a HS teacher, hated it because she saw only the protection for the ‘embarrassments’ at her schools. I still have some solidarity to teach.
357 | BlueSpotinAL Oct 12, 2014 12:13:45pm |
re: #351 Dr. Matt
Interesting. Alabama is the last place I thought tenure would exist for grade school teachers.
Tenure after 3 years. Basically you can be let go with no justification before 3 years. After 3 years some process needs to be followed.
358 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 12:14:39pm |
re: #355 allegro
I disagree. It is NEVER too late for that.
The Army has a principle concerning the application of training/education. You ask: “Could this person behave as intended if you held a .45 to his head?” If the answer is “Yes”, you don’t have an education problem.
359 | wrenchwitch Oct 12, 2014 12:14:51pm |
360 | Waxing Rapsodik Oct 12, 2014 12:19:56pm |
361 | Amory Blaine Oct 12, 2014 12:20:31pm |
Nothing gets a laugh in america like a good ol fashioned prison rape joke.
362 | wrenchwitch Oct 12, 2014 12:21:07pm |
365 | Waxing Rapsodik Oct 12, 2014 12:23:10pm |
re: #362 wrenchwench
yes!
OK, so I’m now in a time zone that is equivalent to mountain time.
When everybody falls back I’ll be the same as central.
366 | Amory Blaine Oct 12, 2014 12:24:37pm |
It’s been one terrible week. A swift kick in the nuts would be an improvement.
367 | allegro Oct 12, 2014 12:24:39pm |
re: #358 Decatur Deb
The Army has a principle concerning the application of training/education. You ask: “Could this person behave as intended if you held a .45 to his head?” If the answer is “Yes”, you don’t have an education problem.
OK, then let’s call it a peer problem. Whatever it is, until we as a society make this attitude/behavior unacceptable then it will continue. BTW, I’m not excluding women from this conversation at all.
368 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 12:24:47pm |
re: #360 Editor in Chief
So it’s 1:20 right now?
In 40 minutes for soldiers in MDT it will be 1400 hrs. For sailors, it will be ‘4 bells’, and for Marines Mickey’s big hand will be on the 2….
369 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 12:27:52pm |
re: #367 allegro
OK, then let’s call it a peer problem. Whatever it is, until we as a society make this attitude/behavior unacceptable then it will continue. BTW, I’m not excluding women from this conversation at all.
That’s not men and women, and it’s not just sexual violence. It’s a matter of the very basic regard of one human for another, and until we find ways to upgrade that, the shit of all kinds will continue.
370 | Kragar Oct 12, 2014 12:30:13pm |
re: #368 Decatur Deb
In 40 minutes for soldiers in MDT it will be 1400 hrs. For sailors, it will be ‘4 bells’, and for Marines Mickey’s big hand will be on the 2….
A sailor and a Marine are both in the bathroom. As they finish, the sailor goes to the sink and the Marine goes to leave.
The sailor says “In the Navy, they teach us to wash our hands after we use the toilet.”
The Marine says, “In the Corps, they teach us not to piss on our hands” and leaves.
371 | Amory Blaine Oct 12, 2014 12:30:24pm |
My stepson threatened my wife and I, immediately following this my sickly sister in law has been found with ovarian cancer. Plus my brother hates me now because I had to kick him out for threatening my stepson.
So son in law lived with us rent free for 8 years
My bro lived with me rent free for 4 months.
Yet I’m the asshole.
372 | Waxing Rapsodik Oct 12, 2014 12:30:47pm |
re: #368 Decatur Deb
In 40 minutes for soldiers in MDT it will be 1400 hrs. For sailors, it will be ‘4 bells’, and for Marines Mickey’s big hand will be on the 2….
If god had intended us to use a 24 hour clock he wouldn’t have created day and night.
373 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 12:32:27pm |
re: #371 Amory Blaine
My stepson threatened my wife and I, immediately following this my sickly sister in law has been found with ovarian cancer. Plus my brother hates me now because I had to kick him out for threatening my stepson.
So son in law lived with us rent free for 8 years
My bro lived with me rent free for 4 months.Yet I’m the asshole.
You don’t live in Wasilla, do you?
374 | Amory Blaine Oct 12, 2014 12:33:06pm |
re: #371 Amory Blaine
Plus George hates me because I am putting medicine in his eye and he has to wear his cone.
375 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 12:33:28pm |
re: #369 Decatur Deb
That’s not men and women, and it’s not just sexual violence. It’s a matter of the very basic regard of one human for another, and until we find ways to upgrade that, the shit of all kinds will continue.
Yes. But even an asshole will think twice if he at least knows that what he is about to do is illegal. (Where not even *knowing* that is the result of the patriarchal/rape culture.)
376 | wrenchwitch Oct 12, 2014 12:34:23pm |
re: #371 Amory Blaine
My stepson threatened my wife and I, immediately following this my sickly sister in law has been found with ovarian cancer. Plus my brother hates me now because I had to kick him out for threatening my stepson.
So son in law lived with us rent free for 8 years
My bro lived with me rent free for 4 months.Yet I’m the asshole.
I was wondering how a 12 hour old week was so bad already.
{{{Amory}}}
Sometimes ya gotta be the asshole, at least in someone else’s eyes.
377 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 12:37:00pm |
re: #375 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
Yes. But even an asshole will think twice if he at least knows that what he is about to do is illegal. (Where not even *knowing* that is the result of the patriarchal/rape culture.)
Gonna take a hell of an online show, and that will only fix the ignorant. How are you going to reach the many who are doing obvious violations, and don’t care?
378 | Islamo-Masonic Conspirator Oct 12, 2014 12:37:29pm |
re: #377 Decatur Deb
Gonna take a hell of an online show, and that will only fix the ignorant. How are you going to reach the many who are doing obvious violations, and don’t care?
Welcome to planet Earth.
379 | Amory Blaine Oct 12, 2014 12:38:01pm |
re: #376 wrenchwench
Stepson is a heroin addict who has been playing our sympathies like a fiddle.
380 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 12:38:53pm |
381 | allegro Oct 12, 2014 12:46:41pm |
re: #377 Decatur Deb
Gonna take a hell of an online show, and that will only fix the ignorant. How are you going to reach the many who are doing obvious violations, and don’t care?
That would be the intervention part.
Here’s an example, say the Michael Shermer thing. The older guy has a sweet young thing at a hotel room party. He keeps filling her glass so she has no idea how many drinks she’s had and he isn’t drinking. Other people reported seeing this happening (some had seen it happen before, recognizing his SOP). She is clearly getting hammered. What if, instead of just watching this go on and letting it go, someone had intervened and seen her back safely to her room? What if we all learned to pay attention to these “tricks of the rapists trade”, recognize them, and do what we can to intervene?
What if a rape prevention course provided that kind of information?
382 | Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 12, 2014 12:48:14pm |
re: #342 Pie-onist Overlord
Ike wore Sansabelt pants.
I had no idea!
383 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 12:51:31pm |
re: #381 allegro
That would be the intervention part.
Here’s an example, say the Michael Shermer thing. The older guy has a sweet young thing at a hotel room party. He keeps filling her glass so she has no idea how many drinks she’s had and he isn’t drinking. Other people reported seeing this happening (some had seen it happen before, recognizing his SOP). She is clearly getting hammered. What if, instead of just watching this go on and letting it go, someone had intervened and seen her back safely to her room? What if we all learned to pay attention to these “tricks of the rapists trade”, recognize them, and do what we can to intervene?
What if a rape prevention course provided that kind of information?
Giving a shit about the woman is a product of a deep-seated decency. It has to be fundamental to the ‘interventor’s’ upbringing. You don’t get it in a pencil-whipped online course.
384 | wrenchwitch Oct 12, 2014 12:52:34pm |
re: #379 Amory Blaine
Stepson is a heroin addict who has been playing our sympathies like a fiddle.
I can’t keep the cast of characters straight.
Draw some lines. Protect yourself.
385 | Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 12, 2014 1:00:22pm |
I am really starting to hate my internet service provider.
A lot.
386 | allegro Oct 12, 2014 1:02:08pm |
re: #383 Decatur Deb
Giving a shit about the woman is a product of a deep-seated decency. It has to be fundamental to the ‘interventor’s’ upbringing. You don’t get it in a pencil-whipped online course.
Well, yanno, if we’re just stuck with this sick society and there’s nothing to be done, why do you spend so much of your time talking to people, trying to educate them, getting them out to vote to try to make things better?
Maybe this online course sucks and is worthless. Or maybe not. Maybe it will make a few young people see a few things differently, educate them
387 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 1:03:48pm |
re: #381 allegro
That would be the intervention part.
Here’s an example, say the Michael Shermer thing. The older guy has a sweet young thing at a hotel room party. He keeps filling her glass so she has no idea how many drinks she’s had and he isn’t drinking. Other people reported seeing this happening (some had seen it happen before, recognizing his SOP). She is clearly getting hammered. What if, instead of just watching this go on and letting it go, someone had intervened and seen her back safely to her room? What if we all learned to pay attention to these “tricks of the rapists trade”, recognize them, and do what we can to intervene?
What if a rape prevention course provided that kind of information?
(I’m not familiar with the case at all, taking it as you describe)
Does anyone have the right to tell a SYT (assumed an adult) how to regulate her drinking and then take her home? That’s violating her agency, and very hard to do to someone who’s hammered. Were there no other concerned women to act as wingman? In avoiding victim-blaming you risk witness-blaming.
388 | darthstar Oct 12, 2014 1:06:23pm |
re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth
Ike wore Sansabelt pants.
I had no idea!
Imagine the outrage if Obama wore Sansabelt pants.
389 | Decatur Deb Oct 12, 2014 1:07:47pm |
re: #386 allegro
Well, yanno, if we’re just stuck with this sick society and there’s nothing to be done, why do you spend so much of your time talking to people, trying to educate them, getting them out to vote to try to make things better?
Maybe this online course sucks and is worthless. Or maybe not. Maybe it will make a few young people see a few things differently, educate them
I have very low expectations of my political effort in Alabama. My candidate, a female Yankee Democrat, has virtually no chance. Just can’t go down without a fight. As for fixing society, I’m largely out of ideas since the Soviets fucked up the New Socialist Man.