Kirk Douglas: The Road Ahead

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Kirk Douglas will soon be 100 years old, believe it or not. And he’s disturbed to the bone by what he sees in this election: The Road Ahead.

A few weeks ago we heard words spoken in Arizona that my wife, Anne, who grew up in Germany, said chilled her to the bone.  They could also have been spoken in 1933:

“We also have to be honest about the fact that not everyone who seeks to join our country will be able to successfully assimilate. It is our right as a sovereign nation to choose immigrants that we think are the likeliest to thrive and flourish here…[including] new screening tests for all applicants that include an ideological certification to make sure that those we are admitting to our country share our values…”

These are not the American values that we fought in World War II to protect.

Until now, I believed I had finally seen everything under the sun.  But this was the kind of fear-mongering I have never before witnessed from a major U.S. presidential candidate in my lifetime. 

I have lived a long, good life. I will not be here to see the consequences if this evil takes root in our country.  But your children and mine will be.  And their children.  And their children’s children.

All of us still yearn to remain free. It is what we stand for as a country.  I have always been deeply proud to be an American. In the time I have left, I pray that will never change.  In our democracy, the decision to remain free is ours to make.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:17:48pm
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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:26:25pm

Bravo, Mr. Douglas.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:31:18pm
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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:35:31pm

To end the evening on a positive note—while we contemplate what could go wrong at the shitshow tomorrow—from Hillary’s Florida field operation.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:37:20pm

Rest of Nation to Penn State: Something Is Very Wrong with All of You
theonion.com

While the article is full of the usual snark found at The Onion, it reads very much like an editorial, calling out the continued worship of Joe Paterno at Penn State.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:41:39pm

Small Italian town reverses its decline by welcoming refugees and integrating them into the community. The mayor of Riace saw empty houses that needed residents and shops that needed workers, and people who had no homes or jobs, and saw a solution.

“It was simple,” he told the BBC.

bbc.com

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:42:32pm

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:47:53pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 11:03:16pm

Oh, btw, if you go to Princeton Election Consortium, you will find that Sam Wang has attacked Nate Silver.

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 11:15:37pm

re: #9 Ziggy_TARDIS

If you mean this:

election.princeton.edu

I wouldn’t say “attacked” is the best way to describe it. Wang is just telling us to ignore punditry.

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 11:17:21pm
Consequently, opinion is nearly immovable. You guys are getting excited over fluctuations that are so small that they would have attracted no notice in elections preceding 1996. So even though this year’s race is close, the outcome is not that uncertain.

The long and short of it.

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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2016 • 11:19:00pm

Here’s my take on the debate.

It’s ninety minutes long, and Drumpf will have three, fifteen minute opportunities to open his cake hole and speak on specific issues.

He must address these issues specifically and concisely, with policy points and backup information to justify his positions…

Hahahaha!

It’s just not going to happen. He cannot maintain discipline to engage on a single subject for fifteen minutes any more than he can fly to the moon by flapping his arms and levitating off the stage. He doesn’t have fifteen minutes of a cogent argument on any subject. He’ll get three minutes into the question and start to blather aimlessly and produce a huge amount of flop sweat.

At that point, he has two choices: cede his time, or attack.

Will he cede 9 minutes to Hillary? What do you think? If he doesn’t and Lester (registered Republican) calls him on his false statements after he gets off the three minutes of canned blather before he starts to ramble, how will he respond?

If he does, Lester will still call him out on his lies while he was blathering for three minutes. Which will take six minutes of justifying his lies. Lester could easily fill up Drumpf’s 15 minutes just calling out his bullshit. It’s not fact-checking, it’s just noting that his previous statements have, in fact, been identified as lies.

Then he’s got two more fifteen minute question segments. I don’t think it is going to go well for The Donald.

I think Hillary is going to stand at the podium looking like the cat who has full access to the cream and quietly tear him apart. Who knows, maybe she’ll even smile. I would. Drumpf is low-hanging political fruit when faced with a professional who has all of the practical knowledge and ovaries like grapefruits (to adapt an old military term relating to balls).

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 11:23:18pm

re: #12 austin_blue

In the Republican “debates”, there were times when Drumpfskind geared down into quiet answers. He can do it, it’s just not what excites his crowds at rallies.

Even if Drumpfskind plays non-screamer, his answers will still be curt, simple English. Short answers.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 11:37:57pm

re: #10 freetoken

For me, it sort of came off as an attack. Namely by telling people to dismiss Silver.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 25, 2016 • 11:43:52pm

re: #12 austin_blue

I will be teaching while the debate goes on, so I’ll have to read the post mortem details. Hope the outcome is a good one for Hillz, and/or a bad one for the Talking Yam.

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 11:53:49pm

One of my preferred songs to which to dance:

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 26, 2016 • 12:16:40am

re: #10 freetoken

If you mean this:

election.princeton.edu

I wouldn’t say “attacked” is the best way to describe it. Wang is just telling us to ignore punditry.

True, but Silver has earned more than his fair share of ridicule at this point. His recent insistence that there’s more polling variation this year than in the past is demonstrably counterfactual.

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SirMixALot  Sep 26, 2016 • 12:17:58am

Trump supporters or third party candidate supporters won’t heed Kirk Douglas’s warning. He’s a Hollywood actor which is code for liberal.

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teleskiguy  Sep 26, 2016 • 12:20:50am
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austin_blue  Sep 26, 2016 • 12:21:09am

re: #13 freetoken

In the Republican “debates”, there were times when Drumpfskind geared down into quiet answers. He can do it, it’s just not what excites his crowds at rallies.

Even if Drumpfskind plays non-screamer, his answers will still be curt, simple English. Short answers.

But he’s got do it in fifteen minute segments, talking on specific policy points.Can you imagine Drumpf concentrating on anything for 15 minutes and being coherent? Especially when he has no real policies, only “I’ll be great at this, trust me.”?

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freetoken  Sep 26, 2016 • 12:33:17am

re: #20 austin_blue

But he’s got do it in fifteen minute segments, talking on specific policy points.

Drumpfskind can just drone on about how great his businesses are… and so on.

I can’t recall the three questions for the debate, off the top of my head. All I remember is that I sneered at them as they carry a lot of asshattery baggage.

Still, any one of them will, I expect, just be used as a platform for Drumpfskind to go on and on about his wide-spread successes makes him uniquely qualified to save America from the bogeyman.

I expect each 15 minute segment to be filled with give and take with the moderator time-keeper.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 12:38:10am

re: #21 freetoken

Drumpfskind can just drone on about how great his businesses are… and so on.

I can’t recall the three questions for the debate, off the top of my head. All I remember is that I sneered at them as they carry a lot of asshattery baggage.

Still, any one of them will, I expect, just be used as a platform for Drumpfskind to go on and on about his wide-spread successes makes him uniquely qualified to save America from the bogeyman.

I expect each 15 minute segment to be filled with give and take with the moderator time-keeper.

America’s direction, which according to DT is Hell in a Handbasket and only he can save us

American prosperity, which only DT can guarantee as a successful businessmen who knows how to use bankruptcy laws to his advantage

and America’s security, which only The Wall and The Moat and The Laser Sharks and the Police Kicking in Doors Demanding Proof of Citizenship can guarantee.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 12:41:35am

re: #18 SirMixALot

Trump supporters or third party candidate supporters won’t heed Kirk Douglas’s warning. He’s a Hollywood actor which is code for liberal.

Correction: They *do* pay attention to B-list (or below) actors and actresses, like Scott Baio or Victoria Principal or whathisname who did that cartoon voiceover.

Clint Eastwood gets a pass, because he talks to chairs and stuff.

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austin_blue  Sep 26, 2016 • 12:49:19am

re: #21 freetoken

Drumpfskind can just drone on about how great his businesses are… and so on.

I can’t recall the three questions for the debate, off the top of my head. All I remember is that I sneered at them as they carry a lot of asshattery baggage.

Still, any one of them will, I expect, just be used as a platform for Drumpfskind to go on and on about his wide-spread successes makes him uniquely qualified to save America from the bogeyman.

I expect each 15 minute segment to be filled with give and take with the moderator time-keeper.

But that is all batch of lies, easily exposed. American debt cannot be bankrupted out of existence. If he gets into real economic policy, she’ll shred him.

In fact, American debt at this point is really good, given the interest rates that we are paying. If banks had to loan money at the cost that the US is selling debt, they would be squealing like stuck pigs. It is basically free money for us, which is why we should be issuing more debt to finance infrastructure upgrades to employ more people and get us, finally, out of the shit hole into which the crash of 2008 (caused by the banks creating “virtual money”) placed us.

This is Macroeconomics 101, and the Drumpfkinder have absolutely no clue.

And…I’m for the rack. Night all. Tomorrow will be, in the words of Arte Johnson, wearing a nazi helmet, “Verrry interestink.”

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Decatur Deb  Sep 26, 2016 • 12:52:39am

re: #4 BeachDem

To end the evening on a positive note—while we contemplate what could go wrong at the shitshow tomorrow—from Hillary’s Florida field operation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 12:59:51am

I fully expect that 90% of debate coverage will focus on superficial aspects: what they wore, their facial expressions and how often they coughed, scratched, etc. while the substance (or lack thereof) will be glossed over.

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freetoken  Sep 26, 2016 • 1:01:59am

re: #24 austin_blue

But that is all batch of lies, easily exposed. .

Not by the time-keeper, it won’t be.

This year has demonstrated quite well that the window of attention span is about 24 hours.

Drumpfskind can lie all he wants. Indeed, I suspect that is why he has as big a following as he does, and why he beat the other Republicans.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 1:17:09am

re: #27 freetoken

Not by the time-keeper, it won’t be.

This year has demonstrated quite well that the window of attention span is about 24 hours.

Drumpfskind can lie all he wants. Indeed, I suspect that is why he has as big a following as he does, and why he beat the other Republicans.

Trump can lie as easily as most people can breathe.

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2016 • 1:17:20am

Like I said yesterday, I’m in agreement with Josh Marshall on the debate, in that Trump is the person who needs the “game-changing performance” tonight. He doesn’t just need to come out and give a level-headed performance, he needs to demonstrate that he’s knowledgeable about topics relevant to the nation. Problem is that every time he’s done that so far, he’s had a teleprompter in front of him while he looked like somebody had pumped him full of Valium. And he never faced actual, pointed opposition at the primaries that went after him on the facts, because all the other candidates were basically running on the same things.

So Hillary’s best strategy to deal with him is to just keep calling bullshit on his answers and waiting for him to pop a blood vessel.

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 26, 2016 • 1:18:42am

re: #26 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I fully expect that 90% of debate coverage will focus on superficial aspects

You’re expecting 10% of the coverage to be on the substance? Well aren’t you quite the optimist.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 26, 2016 • 1:28:37am

re: #7 Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)

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That’s probably my favorite. Lol!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 1:33:09am

On the lighter side of things, an artist is punking tourists in NYC with a very convincing monument to the 1963 octopus attack on the Steam Ferry Cornelius G. Kolff, in which all on board perished. Very sad.

gothamist.com

I’m waiting for Dim Jim to latch onto this as yet another example of Obama failing the nation.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 26, 2016 • 1:38:29am

After looking into the methodology a bit more I think the major culprit driving differences between Silver’s model and the other statistical analysts’ models is his trend line adjustment. He says it “removes noise” from the data set, but I’m not entirely sold. Mostly what it seems to do is zero in on variation between specific points (polls from the same pollster and differences over time between a state poll and the national average.) From these differences a trend line adjustment is calculated that in effect modifies the importance of the new input. So if a pollster only has two polls out, and the first one a month ago had Clinton up by 13 and the second new one a month later has her up by 7, the trend line treats that as incredibly ominous for Clinton and shifts the prediction percentage accordingly.

Now you tell me, is that the same thing as “removing noise,” or is that really just tuning the model in such a way that it looks for specific kinds of variation and assumes there’s a meaningful signal contained therein?

I think the intent behind it is good, to dampen any tendency towards runaway predictions that could prove wildly, embarrassingly off. But the side effect I think is that the variations the model tends to see most are after huge events like the conventions and in the lulls as interest in the contest wanes and pollsters have a harder time reaching the demographics most reluctant to answer their polls. By the end it’s still entirely possible that Nate’s model will produce the most accurate prediction, but in getting there his model will tend to resemble a puppy chasing its own tail and there’s no real reason to believe any given snapshot along the way is an accurate representation of the state of the race at that point.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 1:48:58am

re: #26 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I fully expect that 90% of debate coverage will focus on superficial aspects: what they wore, their facial expressions and how often they coughed, scratched, etc. while the substance (or lack thereof) will be glossed over.

Will Access Hollywood/ET have a special show for the debate?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 1:58:06am

re: #34 Timothy Watson

Will Access Hollywood/ET have a special show for the debate?

Yes, until it is pre-empted by the latest breaking headlines from the Brangelina split…

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2016 • 2:14:50am

re: #32 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

On the lighter side of things, an artist is punking tourists in NYC with a very convincing monument to the 1963 octopus attack on the Steam Ferry Cornelius G. Kolff, in which all on board perished. Very sad.

gothamist.com

I’m waiting for Dim Jim to latch onto this as yet another example of Obama failing the nation.

The same artist also did this - a Jaws-themed baby crib, LOL.

toxicteddies.com

ETA: better photo here - Image: eun5gwr1vyzkpu8nnviw.jpg

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2016 • 2:15:07am

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

So much of what’s swirling around Nate right now seems to get back to EV’s column the other day: 538 is dependent upon being seen as viable in the long-term, and that means driving up traffic. I think Nate’s model is fundamentally sound, but the “tweaking” he’s done this year is less with an eye towards improving its predictive power and more towards creating these wild swings in the trend lines that fuel people’s anxiety. Reviving his 2014 spat with Sam Wang and his general defensiveness about his model is rooted in that need to be seen as viable, in the need for 538 to be seen as having a future beyond Election Night.

In short, Nate’s predictions will probably be right to the same degree as his past ones were. But all the drama that he’s drummed up is going to bite his ass immediately after the Election ends.

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freetoken  Sep 26, 2016 • 2:18:47am

re: #37 Targetpractice

It’s an ESPN blog. Dueling Poll Punditry is the latest in combat sports.

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2016 • 2:19:51am

re: #34 Timothy Watson

Will Access Hollywood/ET have a special show for the debate?

OMG. The most boring “red carpet” ever.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 2:20:34am

None of the metrics that have applied to elections since the start of modern scientific polling can possibly apply to this years electoral clusterf*ck.

We are dealing with two candidates who are not at all comparable in terms of experience or personal qualification; it is all about partisanship and posturing.

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Ming5000  Sep 26, 2016 • 2:28:39am

The craziness of the whole Trump happening sometimes clouds my memories of how crazy the whole Tea Party and anti-Obama religion of the right have been. They have been nuts for quite a while.
If some other candidate were running against HRC I wonder if the poles would be much different. It just seems like the right’s anti-reality mindset will morph into slavish worship of whomever is nominated.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 26, 2016 • 2:30:45am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 2:31:32am
An ultrasound showed one of Sarah Gray’s unborn twins was missing part of his brain, a fatal birth defect. His brother was born healthy but Thomas lived just six days. Latching onto hope for something positive to come from heartache, Gray donated some of Thomas’ tissue for scientific research — his eyes, his liver, his umbilical cord blood.

Only no one could tell the Washington mother if that precious donation really made a difference. So Gray embarked on an unusual journey to find out, revealing a side of science laymen seldom glimpse.

“Infant eyes are like gold,” a Harvard scientist told her.

“I don’t think people understand how valuable these donations are,” said Gray, who hadn’t either until her years-long quest brought her face-to-face with startled scientists. They had never met a relative of the donors so crucial to their work either.

Families often find comfort in learning how many lives were saved if they donated a loved one’s organs for transplant. But donating a body for research gets less attention — there are no headline-making “saves.” Yet critical medical research in labs around the country depends on scientists’ ability to work with human cells and organs, so they can study both normal development and how disease does its dirty work.

wtop.com

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2016 • 2:34:33am

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

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It bears repeating, if Obama were a Republican, they’d want his face on Mt. Rushmore by now.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 26, 2016 • 2:37:34am

re: #41 Ming5000

The craziness of the whole Trump happening sometimes clouds my memories of how crazy the whole Tea Party and anti-Obama religion of the right have been. They have been nuts for quite a while.
If some other candidate were running against HRC I wonder if the poles would be much different. It just seems like the right’s anti-reality mindset will morph into slavish worship of whomever is nominated.

I hate to say it but Hillary would almost certainly be losing to anyone else. Maybe tied with Cruz because he’s so metaphysically repulsive on every conceivable level of analysis. Most of the mainstream media have bent so far backwards normalizing Trump because in their guts they just feel like the GOP deserves the Presidency after eight years of Dem White House control. They’re so far up their own asses trying to act like they understand how things work that it doesn’t even occur to them how they’re going to answer the very pointed questions future historians will have for them. Assuming of course that Trump doesn’t win and we actually get to have future generations of historians.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 2:41:41am

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

None of the metrics that have applied to elections since the start of modern scientific polling can possibly apply to this years electoral clusterf*ck.

We are dealing with two candidates who are not at all comparable in terms of experience or personal qualification; it is all about partisanship and posturing.

It’s a bit like comparing the class brainiac to the class clown, or Hermione Grainger to Draco Malfoy. Or better yet, either of his brain-dead hangers-on.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 2:46:47am

re: #45 goddamnedfrank

I hate to say it but Hillary would almost certainly be losing to anyone else. Maybe tied with Cruz because he’s so metaphysically repulsive on every conceivable level of analysis. Most of the mainstream media have bent so far backwards normalizing Trump because in their guts they just feel like the GOP deserves the Presidency after eight years of Dem White House control. .

Our media are used to presenting two major candidates who have some comparable history of public service, or at least a legislative/administrative record to refer to.

Trump has nothing to refer to except threats and promises, just a personal business history shot through with charges of fraud and multiple bankruptcy proceedings.

If the media presented things objectively, there would be no real contest and no viewer interest. Journalists are just doing what then need to to in order to keep their jobs.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 26, 2016 • 2:53:57am
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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2016 • 2:54:42am

re: #45 goddamnedfrank

I hate to say it but Hillary would almost certainly be losing to anyone else. Maybe tied with Cruz because he’s so metaphysically repulsive on every conceivable level of analysis. Most of the mainstream media have bent so far backwards normalizing Trump because in their guts they just feel like the GOP deserves the Presidency after eight years of Dem White House control. They’re so far up their own asses trying to act like they understand how things work that it doesn’t even occur to them how they’re going to answer the very pointed questions future historians will have for them. Assuming of course that Trump doesn’t win and we actually get to have future generations of historians.

I really do get the impression that the media wanted either a race that pitted Hillary against somebody like Rubio or Bush, or barring that a race between Trump and Bernie. What’s frustrated them so much about this race is that they can’t really go after Hillary without drawing glaring attention to how much putrid shit on Trump’s plate they’re pointedly avoiding. They go after the “lies” about emails, they get called on not giving more press to Trump not even being on speaking terms with objective reality. They go after the alleged corruption in the Clinton Foundation, they get clubbed with the actual corruption in the Trump Foundation. They want so badly to relive the “Great Penis Hunt,” but delving into Bill’s sexual history looks bad when he’s not the one running against a multiple divorcee who married two of his mistresses.

So instead we get months of stories about “optics” and how Hillary looks so much “worse” than Trump, which has shredded whatever bits of dignity many media fixtures still had left.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 2:58:53am

re: #49 Targetpractice

So instead we get months of stories about “optics” and how Hillary looks so much “worse” than Trump, which has shredded whatever bits of dignity many media fixtures still had left.

A Clinton/Bush election would have driven voters in masses to third parties and independents, and for good reason.

Again, there is almost nothing of substance about the DT campaign to report on, it is all about big boasts, threats, vaporware policies and outright lies. To present it objectively at all would totally wreck his chances and remove almost all interest in the outcome.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 26, 2016 • 3:02:29am
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Tigger2  Sep 26, 2016 • 3:03:14am
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Tigger2  Sep 26, 2016 • 3:04:34am
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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2016 • 3:05:01am

re: #52 Tigger2

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She is trying so desperately to get attention at this point that it’s almost sad. Supposedly she’s going to “crash” the debate tonight.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 3:07:11am

re: #52 Tigger2

George H.W. Bush is voting for Hillary. Michelle Obama is friends w/ George W. Bush. Hillary went to Trump’s wedding.

If you see politics as an expression of your ideological integrity, public whining and temper tantrums, then vote for JS.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 3:07:55am

re: #51 goddamnedfrank

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Hey, at least it isn’t “Satanic ritual abuse”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 3:08:33am

re: #56 Timothy Watson

Hey, at least it isn’t “Satanic ritual abuse”.

I cannot imagine what kids of kids would follow these clowns anywhere…

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 3:10:54am

re: #57 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I cannot imagine what kids of kids would follow these clowns anywhere…

Month old hoax photo according to Tweet replies:

Goddamn moral panic. EVERYONE PANIC!1!!!! THEY’RE COMING FOR YOUR KIDS!!1!!!

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2016 • 3:12:34am

re: #55 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If you see politics as an expression of your ideological integrity, public whining and temper tantrums, then vote for JS.

Stein’s job in this election is to be the “protest vote” getter. But she’s got delusions of grandeur and thinks she can actually be a contender. Isn’t that cute?

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 3:15:30am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 3:17:27am

re: #60 Timothy Watson

That was the guy who allegedly drove his motorcycle into a police cruiser which I mentioned a couple weeks back when it first happened.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 3:20:46am

Not 6:30 am and I am already pissed off:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 3:23:31am

re: #62 Timothy Watson

Not 6:30 am and I am already pissed off:

Hillary has a record of public service which one can refer to, and yes, even find several points worthy of criticism.

DT has no record of public service, only boasts, threats and contrived statements.

Nothing to criticize there, folks, so let’s get back to Hillary’s faults.

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2016 • 3:26:26am

re: #62 Timothy Watson

Not 6:30 am and I am already pissed off:

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Again, “optics.” They haven’t caught her being outright dishonest, so they have to paint her as such. Not only that, they have to paint her lying as “worse” than Trump’s.

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Tigger2  Sep 26, 2016 • 3:29:52am

I’ll start my day by trolling and blocking some wingnuts. It’s always a nice way to start it.

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Alyosha  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:02:52am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:06:02am

re: #66 Alyosha

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I can’t wait for the day *after* tomorrow’s debate. I’ve gotten sick of reading about Trump this and Clinton that predictions. In a way, I’m glad I’ll be otherwise occupied while the debate goes on. Teaching will keep my mind off the possibility of impending doom.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:07:23am

re: #67 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I can’t wait for the day *after* tomorrow’s debate. I’ve gotten sick of reading about Trump this and Clinton that predictions. In a way, I’m glad I’ll be otherwise occupied while the debate goes on. Teaching will keep my mind off the possibility of impending doom.

I will just follow up on the debates here, my opinion on who is the best candidate is well established.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:09:19am

re: #68 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I will just follow up on the debates here, my opinion on who is the best candidate is well established.

In fact, I’ll probably get the lowdown reading LGF. I’m going to avoid the usual commentators and pundits like the plague.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:09:35am

politico

POLITICO chose to spend a week fact-checking Trump. We fact-checked Hillary Clinton over the same time.

We subjected every statement made by both the Republican and Democratic candidates — in speeches, in interviews and on Twitter — to our magazine’s rigorous fact-checking process. The conclusion is inescapable: Trump’s mishandling of facts and propensity for exaggeration so greatly exceed Clinton’s as to make the comparison almost ludicrous.

morning one and all

so how can this possibly be happening? (yes that’s rhetorical)

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:17:50am

re: #70 dangerman

politico

morning one and all

so how can this possibly be happening? (yes that’s rhetorical)

Trump is simply a pathological liar; he can say one thing and then negate it in the blink of an eye, and when confronted, he’d simply deny the first thing he’d said, even though it may have only occurred a moment before.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:20:03am

re: #71 Dr Lizardo

Trump is simply a pathological liar; he can say one thing and then negate it in the blink of an eye, and when confronted, he’d simply deny the first thing he’d said, even though it may have only occurred a moment before.

He knows that we are so addled and media-ADD that we will forget about it and move on to the Next Outrageous THing.

Whatever else you can say about DT, he is a master of manipulating the media and using tweets and soundbytes to his advantage.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:23:54am

from the nyt part 2

Since his campaign began, NBC News has tabulated that Mr. Trump has made 117 distinct policy shifts on 20 major issues, including three contradictory views on abortion in one eight-hour stretch

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:25:17am

re: #71 Dr Lizardo

Trump is simply a pathological liar; he can say one thing and then negate it in the blink of an eye, and when confronted, he’d simply deny the first thing he’d said, even though it may have only occurred a moment before.

I pity anyone who has signed a contract with Trump, because breaking contracts is as easy as lying for him. I expect none of his staffers demanded payment up front for their labors, and he’ll stiff all of them once his campaign is over, so they’ll have nothing to show for their indentured servitude.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:25:23am

re: #73 dangerman

Since his campaign began, NBC News has tabulated that Mr. Trump has made 117 distinct policy shifts on 20 major issues, including three contradictory views on abortion in one eight-hour stretch

as well as inviting and then dis-inviting Gennifer Flowers to the debates as soon as someobody took him aside and reminded him of what a capital mistake that would be

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:26:06am

re: #74 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I pity anyone who has signed a contract with Trump, because breaking contracts is as easy as lying for him. I expect none of his staffers demanded payment up front for their labors, and he’ll stiff all of them once his campaign is over, so they’ll have nothing to show for their indentured servitude.

But if he violates the contract by not paying them, are they still bound to non-disclosure?

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:27:49am

re: #74 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I pity anyone who has signed a contract with Trump, because breaking contracts is as easy as lying for him. I expect none of his staffers demanded payment up front for their labors, and he’ll stiff all of them once his campaign is over, so they’ll have nothing to show for their indentured servitude.

If I ever agreed on a contract with Mr. Trump, I’d certainly demand payment in full up front. If he asked why, I’d reply, “Because I know all about you, that’s why - you’re a welcher.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:29:05am

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

If I ever agreed on a contract with Mr. Trump, I’d certainly demand payment in full up front. If he asked why, I’d reply, “Because I know all about you, that’s why - you’re a welcher.”

To which the response would be: “You’re fired before I even hire you!”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:29:53am

re: #76 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But if he violates the contract by not paying them, are they still bound to non-disclosure?

We discussed earlier whether those NDAs are even legally enforceable, especially for volunteers. If enough disgruntled staffers/volunteers got together, they could probably challenge the NDA as a John Doe plaintiff. Of course, they wouldn’t get a dime out of it, so it’s probably not going to happen.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:31:18am

re: #78 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

To which the response would be: “You’re fired before I even hire you!”

LOL yeah, most likely.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:36:29am

re: #71 Dr Lizardo

Trump is simply a pathological liar; he can say one thing and then negate it in the blink of an eye, and when confronted, he’d simply deny the first thing he’d said, even though it may have only occurred a moment before.

he is pathological as you say
and voluminous in his lies - the quantity is staggering
then theres the 117 policy shifts on 20 major actual specific issues - not just his moronic blatherings
in essence, he hasnt ever said anything at all

and hes got 40% or so support
dont they realize that they cant possibly have any idea what he thinks or would actually do

or do they just not care

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:36:59am

im off for a run
i need some calm

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:38:54am

re: #81 dangerman

and hes got 40% or so support
dont they realize that they cant possibly have any idea what he thinks or would actually do

or do they just not care

The thing that scares me is that chaos and disorder would tend to favor DT: the more riots, terrorist attacks or confrontations between citizens and police (whether it is Black Lives Matter or Bureau of Land Management) that we hear about in the news, the more opportunities he has to present his point of view to a receptive audience.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:41:09am

re: #81 dangerman

he is pathological as you say
and voluminous in his lies - the quantity is staggering
then theres the 117 policy shifts on 20 major actual specific issues - not just his moronic blatherings
in essence, he hasnt ever said anything at all

and hes got 40% or so support
dont they realize that they cant possibly have any idea what he thinks or would actually do

or do they just not care

His followers are clueless, about Trump, about politics, about economics, about most anything. All they have is a vague feeling of discontent with their situation, and are following the first nutjob who promises an end to their so-called suffering.

I mean, these are people who still believe Obama is a Muslim from Kenya, and that he was president during 9/11/2001.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:42:36am

re: #84 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

His followers are clueless, about Trump, about politics, about economics, about most anything. All they have is a vague feeling of discontent with their situation, and are following the first nutjob who promises an end to their so-called suffering.

I mean, these are people who still believe Obama is a Muslim from Kenya, and that he was president during 9/11/2001.

These are people who hate politicians and politics as usual. They hate the GOP nearly as much as they hate the Democrats, and are voting DT to spite both parties.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:44:55am

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The thing that scares me is that chaos and disorder would tend to favor DT: the more riots, terrorist attacks or confrontations between citizens and police that we hear about in the news, the more opportunities he has to present his point of view to a receptive audience.

I dunno. These have been isolated incidents involving individual perps, which is sadly not that unusual in the USA now. What would really tip the odds in Trump’s favor would be a terror attack killing hundreds of people, or a full-scale riot in a major city. Of course, Trump could still take a minor incident and exaggerate it to something the size of the Apocalypse.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:46:25am

re: #86 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I dunno. These have been isolated incidents involving individual perps, which is sadly not that unusual in the USA now. What would really tip the odds in Trump’s favor would be a terror attack killing hundreds of people, or a full-scale riot in a major city. Of course, Trump could still take a minor incident and exaggerate it to something the size of the Apocalypse.

exactly. and chaos is a lot easier to generate and exaggerate than it is to control

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:47:38am

re: #85 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

These are people who hate politicians and politics as usual. They hate the GOP nearly as much as they hate the Democrats, and are voting DT to spite both parties.

Yeah, there’s that, too. They see Trump as an “outsider” who isn’t beholden to corporate interests. What they really want is a Fearless Leader who will make all the things better, damn the Constitution and full speed ahead!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 4:54:39am

re: #88 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yeah, there’s that, too. They see Trump as an “outsider” who isn’t beholden to corporate interests. What they really want is a Fearless Leader who will make all the things better, damn the Constitution and full speed ahead!

Yes, they want someone who will come in and kick ass and clean things up for the benefit of the Little Man.

Their idea of the Little Man being employees or contractors like the one Trump hired for his construction projects and then reneged on.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:02:33am

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, they want someone who will come in and kick ass and clean things up for the benefit of the Little Man.

Their idea of the Little Man being employees or contractors like the one Trump hired for his construction projects and then reneged on.

Trump will stiff the voters the same as he’s stiffed everyone else. He’s playing all of them for suckers. His dishonesty is so transparent that it astonishes me that anyone would fall for it.

Who was it who said never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter?

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:06:18am

re: #81 dangerman

he is pathological as you say
and voluminous in his lies - the quantity is staggering
then theres the 117 policy shifts on 20 major actual specific issues - not just his moronic blatherings
in essence, he hasnt ever said anything at all

and hes got 40% or so support
dont they realize that they cant possibly have any idea what he thinks or would actually do

or do they just not care

I just figure that it’s some manner of mass collective psychosis. Like St. Vitus’ Dance or the Strawberries with Sugar Virus. A manifestation of mass hysteria emotional contagion.

Edit: Make that emotional contagion, not mass hysteria

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:27:52am

RIOT RIOT RIOT WHERE’S THE NATIONAL GUARD?!?!?!

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:28:41am

Ah, fuck, another one:

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Tigger2  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:32:14am

re: #93 Timothy Watson

Ah, fuck, another one:

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It’s to be expected when guns are so easy to get in the country.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:33:39am

re: #43 Timothy Watson

I heard that story while I was driving around (it was on WAMU) Inspiring story.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:35:51am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:36:09am

re: #94 Tigger2

It’s to be expected when guns are so easy to get in the country.

WRONG: It is to be expected because there are so many DANGEROUS FOREIGN IMMIGRANTS THREATENING OUR WAY OF LIFE!!!

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:36:18am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:36:54am

Totally OT, but I’ve just discovered Medium lets you import your posts from your blog or what have you. Nice way to improve readership.

carry on.

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Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:39:04am

Media takes collective notice that Trump is a serial liar whose lying is on a whole ‘nother level, wonder aloud how they could have missed this…before shrugging and going back to how the “optics” look for Hillary.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:39:31am

re: #98 Timothy Watson

[a witness] said that the man had been shooting for at least 15 minutes by the time police arrived.

so where were all the good guys with guns to stop him before the police arrived?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:39:45am

re: #100 Targetpractice

Media takes collective notice that Trump is a serial liar whose lying is on a whole ‘nother level, wonder aloud how they could have missed this…before shrugging and going back to how the “optics” look for Hillary.

Oh, look! Squirrel!!

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jeffreyw  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:40:38am

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Good morning!

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:40:48am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so where were all the good guys with guns to stop him before the police arrived?

Still recovering from last night’s bender?

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Archangelus  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:43:15am

re: #103 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Good afternoon!
Also, is there a recipe somewhere for that glorious mesmerizing item of consumption? In semi-related news, pixels aren’t as crunchy as they might seem…

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:48:06am

Kellyanne Conway squirms under intense questioning from ‘Morning Joe’ panel trying to explain Trump ‘lie’

Conway again tried to spin this by saying that Trump’s overall point was that the media is filled with registered Democrats.

A little bit later in the segment, after Conway repeatedly refused to answer questions about Trump’s false assertions, Mika Brzezinski bluntly asked her, “Why did he lie about Lester Holt?”

“He didn’t lie,” Conway shot back. “A lie would mean that he knew the man’s party registration.

She continues to prove me as correct:

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:49:56am

One problem about going to The Onion? You’ll spend way too looking at all the different articles. For example, I had to stifle a laugh about “The Onion’s State-By-State Election Guide” on Virginia:

Most critical issue facing this state this election cycle

Environment: Rising global temperatures have made the sand on Virginia Beach next-to-unbearable to sit on.

theonion.com

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:50:04am

Greets and saluts from the OK Corral. We are becoming immune to the incessant mass shootings that litter the landscape with broken bodies and devastated families, while one sect of the American populace thinks that if only even more people had guns, these crimes would be prevented, while another group of Americans calls BS on all this and thinks that the easy availability of guns is fueling the incessant gun violence.

The latest? A shooting in Houston. Which last time I checked isn’t a gun free zone (which really represents enhanced penalties for having guns present/used). Where were all the good guys with guns that are supposed to stop this kind of violence? This is Texas after all.

Only one side can be right.

Likewise, we’re hours away from the shitshow known as the first presidential debate, where we’ve got two candidates, one of whom will get credit if he doesn’t shit himself on national tv, and the other will be attacked if she can’t recite the first 1,000 digits of Pi with a smile on her face while baking cookies in something other than a pantsuit. Demanding that both candidates be treated equally and that fact-checks occur is now somehow imposing a bias in favor of one of the candidates. Well, yes, actually, that would. One candidate - Trump is impervious to facts and makes stuff up 24/7/365, and has uttered more lies and mistruths than practically every other candidate in 2016 combined.

Yet, Clinton’s the one who seems to be untrustworthy. She can’t win for winning.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:50:08am

News from my daughter’s neck of the woods — Cedar Rapids is on a flood watch.

desmoinesregister.com [Beware of loud autoplay!]

Her home is not affected, as it is not near the river, but the road and bridge closures can’t be making her and her husband’s daily commutes easy.

CR suffered a serious flood in 2008, which they missed by one year.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 5:55:26am

Is The Washington Post coordinating stories with the Trump campaign? Post on Friday:

The real Hillary Clinton — the funny, kind, passionate woman her friends and colleagues insist actually exists — has been missing from public view for so long that even some of her most admiring defenders wonder whether she will ever emerge again.

On the eve of the first presidential debate, Clinton’s campaign is launching a drive to convince voters that she is, well, human. The move, coming just six weeks before the election, is a frank admission that whether it traces to her embarrassingly public marital traumas, or to the arrows aimed at her during the White House years by conservative activists and news reports, or to a lifetime playing the role of the serious, responsible daughter, sister and wife, Hillary Clinton still struggles to be even “likable enough,” as candidate Barack Obama put it during the 2008 campaign.

washingtonpost.com

Today:

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:00:54am

re: #45 goddamnedfrank

I hate to say it but Hillary would almost certainly be losing to anyone else. Maybe tied with Cruz because he’s so metaphysically repulsive on every conceivable level of analysis. Most of the mainstream media have bent so far backwards normalizing Trump because in their guts they just feel like the GOP deserves the Presidency after eight years of Dem White House control. They’re so far up their own asses trying to act like they understand how things work that it doesn’t even occur to them how they’re going to answer the very pointed questions future historians will have for them. Assuming of course that Trump doesn’t win and we actually get to have future generations of historians.

Question: Which group of voters do you really see switching to whatever Republican would be running? I might see the Latino vote being smaller, but I don’t know where the switching votes would come from.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:01:28am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:04:15am

re: #110 Timothy Watson

Is The Washington Post coordinating stories with the Trump campaign? Post on Friday:

Journalists are simply appealing to their target audiences: people who want to read bad things about Hillary to confirm the bias they have developed over 25 years of exposure to her. They are not concerned about whether these stories have any more than superficial merit

Or to people want to hear stories about how outrageous Donald Trump is, the fact that these traits make him unqualified for the Presidency does not concern them.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:04:46am
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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:08:06am

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

Note the backdrops. Trump’s photo was at his gilded cage in NYC. Clinton’s photo was at a nondescript location with an Israeli flag as a backdrop.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:09:12am

I am trying to search for past comments, but I can only go back a year. I was searching for Dark Falcon and had a nice trip down memory lane, Obdicutt, Kilgore, Sattv4u2, and many more. Searching for their final comments is all.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:09:36am

Yes, You can tell it’s morning when GGT is posting in the previous thread.

I need a debate caption for this one:
(feral girl’s new friend —a 10 week old Field Spaniel.)

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Anymouse  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:09:52am

re: #114 lawhawk

Just watched that John Oliver clip; it is a hoot!

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:09:59am

One annoying thing: Some guy at my work has two giant “Make America Great Again” flags hanging from the back of his truck.

One really good thing: My wife told me that one of the Latino workers at her clinic got his official voter registration. On Friday, he was going around the office going “Who are you going to vote for? I’m registered to vote!”

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:10:59am

re: #92 Timothy Watson

RIOT RIOT RIOT WHERE’S THE NATIONAL GUARD?!?!?!

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“D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser said the officer who fatally shot Sterling was wearing a body camera, but failed to turn it on until after the shooting.”

Yeah, nothing suspicious about that.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:11:04am

re: #119 Belafon

One annoying thing: Some guy at my work has two giant “Make America Great Again” flags hanging from the back of his truck.

One really good thing: My wife told me that one of the Latino workers at her clinic got his official voter registration. On Friday, he was going around the office going “Who are you going to vote for? I’m registered to vote!”

RESTORE THE CALIPHATE! -Islamists

RESTORE THE REPUBLIC! -Julius Caesar

going back does not have a good track record

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Anymouse  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:11:26am

re: #117 Birth Control Works

Yes, You can tell it’s morning when GGT is posting in the previous thread.

I need a debate caption for this one:

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“When are you going to pay me the Milk Bones you promised me, Mr. Trump?”

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:11:34am

re: #112 lawhawk

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Since when is Petco open at 6:30 am?!

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:12:34am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so where were all the good guys with guns to stop him before the police arrived?

Taking cover to protect themselves.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:13:03am

MBF’ing the Clinton and Trump foundations.

marketwatch.com

No. They’re not even remotely in common. When you have a foundation that has improved the lives of millions of people in Africa - for what amounts to their “cost of a Big Mac” that tells you more about what kind of improvement can be had for limited costs per person. Improving quality of health doesn’t take huge expenditures per person to get major changes. But when you’re helping millions of people, it’s significant.

Trump’s foundation helps one person. Trump. And it doesn’t even do that particularly well. It’s a textbook vanity project. And one that likely skirted nonprofit laws in every conceivable fashion.

Apples to unicorns, but media treats them both “equally”.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:13:29am

re: #123 Dr. Matt

Since when is Petco open at 6:30 am?!

This story is saying the shooting was at Randalls.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:15:18am

There are five living U.S. presidents. None of them support Donald Trump.
Link

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:15:47am

re: #111 Belafon

Question: Which group of voters do you really see switching to whatever Republican would be running? I might see the Latino vote being smaller, but I don’t know where the switching votes would come from.

Suburban women with college degrees.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:16:35am

re: #127 Birth Control Works

There are five living U.S. presidents. None of them support Donald Trump.
Link

I am not a fan of W. Bush, but I have gotten a little respect for him given his (apparent) friendship with Barack and Michelle Obama, plus the fact that he’s not supporting Trump.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:16:59am
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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:17:59am

re: #128 sagehen

Suburban women with college degrees.

Helicoptor moms? The ones who can get an abortion by travelling out of the country?

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jeffreyw  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:18:26am

re: #105 Archangelus

Good afternoon!
Also, is there a recipe somewhere for that glorious mesmerizing item of consumption? In semi-related news, pixels aren’t as crunchy as they might seem…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:18:46am

re: #130 Birth Control Works

Watermarked with lauraingraham dot com. Totally reliable source!

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:19:12am

re: #128 sagehen

Suburban women with college degrees.

Why do you think they’re opposing Trump but would support someone like Cruz?

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:19:24am

re: #133 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Watermarked with lauraingraham dot com. Totally reliable source!

Like Trump, the ultimate Daddy Warbucks, wouldn’t rape the planet for a profit?

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Anymouse  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:20:11am

re: #129 Timothy Watson

I am not a fan of W. Bush, but I have gotten a little respect for him given his (apparent) friendship with Barack and Michelle Obama, plus the fact that he’s not supporting Trump.

Well, the club made up of “former Presidents” is extremely exclusive. It is my understanding that nearly every new President will lean on the wisdom of previous Presidents, regardless of political party. (Hence such things as inviting former Presidents to the White House for private meetings.)

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:20:42am

re: #134 Belafon

Why do you think they’re opposing Trump but would support someone like Cruz?

They believe they are insulated from the loss of rights. Their husband’s money will buy a good lawyer.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:21:36am

re: #90 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

His dishonesty is so transparent that it astonishes me that anyone would fall for it.

his campaign summed up in one line

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:22:11am

WE ARE NOT GOING BACK

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:22:25am

re: #128 sagehen

Suburban women with college degrees.

Yeah I think it’s that group that Trump has alienated the most. We’ll see what happens in November but I firmly believe that Trump has alienated women voters like no GOP candidate before him.

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Anymouse  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:23:35am

Well, Felix Randomkitty Diabetic the First is off again to the veterinarian this afternoon to see how the insulin therapy is progressing.

Just from observation at home, he is peeing less, he is much more energetic, and he is putting on weight. He is back to sleeping on my chest with his paws around my throat in the “I could kill you right now if I wanted to” position, which he hadn’t been doing for some months.

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:24:55am

re: #134 Belafon

Why do you think they’re opposing Trump but would support someone like Cruz?

Cruz wouldn’t start a nuclear war on a whim. Cruz wouldn’t start a trade war that crashes the market and destroys our 401(k)s. Cruz wouldn’t deport their nanny and the gardener.

(speaking here of generally-wingerish women whose ethnicity/religion/location makes most of Donald’s police-state fascism not affect them, and whose financial resources mean they’d be only slightly inconvenienced by having to go to NY or LA for an abortion).

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:26:15am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:28:13am

re: #141 Anymouse

Yay for kitty doing better!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:28:54am

re: #138 dangerman

his campaign summed up in one line

I should probably copyright it as the world’s shortest campaign summary.

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:28:54am

re: #143 Birth Control Works

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Griswold v. Connecticut (that married people could legally possess birth control) was 1965.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:28:57am

WE ARE NOT GOING BACK!!!
Is this what Trump means when he says “Make American Great again”?

We cannot take any of these gains for granted. Trump probably does not care about most of these social issues, but he will let the people who are adamant about overturning them have their way to gain support for his own pet programs.

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darthstar  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:29:47am
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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:29:53am

How to induce instant wingnut outrage:

Instagram

Maybe it was the unexpected warmth of the gesture, the sheer enveloping display of affection. Maybe it was his response, the beatific expression on his face, eyes almost closed, head tilted toward her shoulder. Maybe it was the moment: tenderness at a time when presidential politics has become a festival of cruelty. And maybe you’ve already seen the photo splashed across your social feeds by now. Because when @michelleobama hugged former President @georgewbush at a ceremony to open the National Museum of African American History and Culture (@nmaahc) on Saturday, the internet reacted. “However one chose to interpret it — and overinterpretation is a hazard in such exercises — it became an instant metaphor,” wrote @nytimes White House correspondent Mark Landler. #regram from @al_drago, who took this photo on Saturday while on #nytassignment. Visit the link in our profile to read more.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:30:48am

re: #149 Dr. Matt

How to induce instant wingnut outrage:

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I would smile like that if Michelle were hugging me.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:32:08am
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darthstar  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:32:58am

re: #149 Dr. Matt

How to induce instant wingnut outrage:

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Stop clapping, George…it’s an invocation.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:33:50am

re: #152 darthstar

Stop clapping, George…it’s an invocation.

At least he didn’t dance and sing

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:34:09am

re: #146 sagehen

Griswold v. Connecticut (that married people could legally possess birth control) was 1965.

Many people are aware of Griswold. I like to highlight Eisenstadt because many young people today are not considering marriage at all. They have no memory of a time when sex outside of marriage was not normal.

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darthstar  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:34:52am

Selfie nation…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:35:29am

re: #154 Birth Control Works

Many people are aware of Griswold. I like to highlight Eisenstadt because many young people today are not considering marriage at all. They have no memory of a time when sex outside of marriage was not normal.

sex outside marriage was always normal, it just carried a greater social stigma

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Anymouse  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:36:37am

re: #130 Birth Control Works

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Ah, the Institute of Energy Research, one of the forefront of “merchants of doubt” in climate science.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:36:53am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

sex outside marriage was always normal, it just carried a greater social stigma

FTFY

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:37:17am

re: #148 darthstar

All of them did that overnight.

NYT fell by 3%, PEC fell by 5%.

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Jenner7  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:41:13am

No pressure, Hillary. You just have to be perfect tonight.

Sigh…

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Anymouse  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:41:28am

re: #159 Ziggy_TARDIS

All of them did that overnight.

NYT fell by 3%, PEC fell by 5%.

Sam Wang notes:

1. What commentators think about “exceeding expectations” is an anti-indicator. Here is survey data on who was expected to do better in past debates.

CNN/Gallup: debate expectations gaps

16: HRC +10
12: BHO +25
08: BHO +25
04: Bush +13
00: Gore +8
96: WJC +52
92: WJC +8
84: RWR: +39

— Will Jordan (@williamjordann) September 23, 2016

Notice a pattern: all of these candidates ended up winning the popular vote. The explanation is simple: people can tell who the stronger candidate is, and expect that person to do well.

Think about this for a moment. What does it mean for a candidate to “exceed expectations”? It usually means that he/she was the weaker candidate to begin with. So if some commentator emits hot gas about either candidate doing better than expected, there is a good chance that candidate will be the loser in November.

election.princeton.edu

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:41:50am

What happened this weekend that drove the polls all batty? 538 has Dumpster winning the Now vote. Geez.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:44:01am

Culprits:

CNN polls in Penn show Hillary only ahead by 2, and Trump ahead in Colorado by 1.

For the Penn Poll, they did not have any number of Millenial Respondants, and they didn’t have enough responses from Philadelphia to show if they approved of Obama or not.

And the same problem in Colorado, except Colorado is much younger state then Penn.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:44:37am

re: #160 Jenner7

No pressure, Hillary. You just have to be perfect tonight.

Sigh…

“Hillary too perfect, ‘needs to be more human’, according to critics…”

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:45:04am
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Anymouse  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:45:13am

re: #162 Sir John Barron

What happened this weekend that drove the polls all batty? 538 has Dumpster winning the Now vote. Geez.

FiveThirtyEight has Clinton up by two, the same margin Romney was over Obama at this point.

fivethirtyeight.com

Mr. Silver notes a larger undecided vote, but also notes a significant better chance of a landslide for Clinton.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:45:14am

re: #116 Emptor scriptor Remorse

I am trying to search for past comments, but I can only go back a year. I was searching for Dark Falcon and had a nice trip down memory lane, Obdicutt, Kilgore, Sattv4u2, and many more. Searching for their final comments is all.

What happened to the hockeyfan guy? forget his exact handle.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:46:12am

re: #162 Sir John Barron

I found 2 culprits.

Also, a Quinnipiac showing a lead of 1, and a Selzer poll showing the a 2 point lead for Trump nationally.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:46:21am

re: #165 Dr. Matt

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Yeah I saw that tweet this morning, too. Which is why DEAD HEAT NECK AND NECK just seems so weird all of a sudden.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:47:11am

re: #167 Sir John Barron

I miss Obdi, JamesFireCat, and DarkFalcon. :(

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:48:30am

And, a shooting incident in France, near Paris.

independent.co.uk

*sigh*

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:50:17am

re: #170 Ziggy_TARDIS

I miss Obdi, JamesFireCat, and DarkFalcon. :(

I miss a lot of old posters. When did DF leave?

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Skip Intro  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:50:40am

re: #100 Targetpractice

Media takes collective notice that Trump is a serial liar whose lying is on a whole ‘nother level, wonder aloud how they could have missed this…before shrugging and going back to how the “optics” look for Hillary.

The media are wearing out their thesauruses looking up synonyms for “liar” so they don’t have to use the only word that accurately describes what Trump is.

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Jenner7  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:50:45am

This has to be impossible. Right?!?

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:50:57am

Hubby and I have been getting an unprecidented number of scam phone calls and emails. Is there something in the air?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:52:12am

re: #175 Birth Control Works

Hubby and I have been getting an unprecidented number of scam phone calls and emails. Is there something in the air?

The election.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:52:13am

re: #172 Birth Control Works

I miss a lot of old posters. When did DF leave?

have not seen or heard from him at all lately, but like DT and the tax returns question, DF seems to be ducking the answer to “are you going to vote for DT?”

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:52:57am

re: #176 Sir John Barron

The election.

ah!

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:53:25am

re: #177 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

have not seen or heard from him at all lately, but like DT and the tax returns question, DF seems to be ducking the answer to “are you going to vote for DT?”

I think there are going to be a lot of secret Hillary voters.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:54:04am

It’s time for my mid-morning nap.

bbl

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:54:21am

re: #155 darthstar

Selfie nation…

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hillary waves at, and everyone turns around to take a picture of someone coming in the back door

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Jayleia  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:54:35am

re: #172 Birth Control Works

I miss a lot of old posters. When did DF leave?

A month or so back. He started catching more (well deserved) crap about still supporting Rs in spite of them just supporting and enabling Trump, despite him not voting “for” Trump.

I don’t think he even did a BBafterElection thing, just…drifted off.

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Great White Snark  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:54:43am

re: #117 Birth Control Works

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:55:01am

re: #179 Birth Control Works

I think there are going to be a lot of secret Hillary voters.

I tend to believe that as well: lots of people who support him publicly (and to the pollsters) are going to have a long, hard think before the pull the lever for him in November.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:55:25am

re: #177 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

have not seen or heard from him at all lately, but like DT and the tax returns question, DF seems to be ducking the answer to “are you going to vote for DT?”

I think he got tired of everyone dumping on him for his obstinate defense of all things GOP, and his reluctance to vote for either HRC or DJT. Maybe there were some issues with his parents or his work, too. I dunno. Maybe he’ll be back after the dust settles in November.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:56:59am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I tend to believe that as well: lots of people who support him publicly (and to the pollsters) are going to have a long, hard think before the pull the lever for him in November.

As the Brexit voters discovered, there are no take-backs in elections.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:57:57am

re: #179 Birth Control Works

I think there are going to be a lot of secret Hillary voters.

i have thought that for quite some time. they wont say it, and it isnt polling

they will do it behind the curtain

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:58:27am

re: #185 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think he got tired of everyone dumping on him for his obstinate defense of all things GOP, and his reluctance to vote for either HRC or DJT. Maybe there were some issues with his parents or his work, too. I dunno. Maybe he’ll be back after the dust settles in November.

He hasn’t been very active on Twitter recently either.

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Skip Intro  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:58:37am

re: #174 Jenner7

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This has to be impossible. Right?!?

It all depends on who turns out to vote. Trumpeters are highly motivated by hate to vote; everybody else, who knows?

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:58:43am

re: #172 Birth Control Works

I miss a lot of old posters. When did DF leave?

re: #182 Jayleia

A month or so back. He started catching more (well deserved) crap about still supporting Rs in spite of them just supporting and enabling Trump, despite him not voting “for” Trump.

I don’t think he even did a BBafterElection thing, just…drifted off.

He caught the most flack, not because of supporting trump, but for a tweet where he called Hillary crooked and shrill. His tweet said something about the “three Cs” though I can’t remember all of them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:59:01am

re: #185 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think he got tired of everyone dumping on him for his obstinate defense of all things GOP, and his reluctance to vote for either HRC or DJT. Maybe there were some issues with his parents or his work, too. I dunno. Maybe he’ll be back after the dust settles in November.

There was a time when I would actually consider certain GOP candidates for some offices. Heck, I might have voted for Mitt Romney as Governor had I lived in Massachusetts in 2002, and I supported John McCain in the 2000 primaries.

But I cannot imagine the current GOP even nominating anyone I would consider for more than a few seconds.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:59:35am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I tend to believe that as well: lots of people who support him publicly (and to the pollsters) are going to have a long, hard think before the pull the lever for him in November.

From your mouth to God’s ears.

I worry more that the vote is going to be like casting a vote for American Idol. “Sure, Hillary’s a great singer, but I like Donald’s zanny on-stage antics.”

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:59:57am

while were asking, does anyone know what happened to Reality Based Steve (RBS)?

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:00:46am

re: #190 Belafon

He caught the most flack, not because of supporting trump, but for a tweet where he called Hillary crooked and shrill. His tweet said something about the “three Cs” though I can’t remember all of them.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:01:10am

re: #191 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was a time when I would actually consider certain GOP candidates for some offices. Heck, I might have voted for Mitt Romney as Governor had I lived in Massachusetts in 2002, and I supported John McCain in the 2000 primaries.

But I cannot imagine the current GOP even nominating anyone I would consider for more than a few seconds.

and without saying it you are still implying a “sane” one, not a carny

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:02:51am

re: #170 Ziggy_TARDIS

And PEC just bounced back up by 2.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:03:09am

re: #195 dangerman

and without saying it you are still implying a “sane” one, not a carny

There was a time when enough sane people were still in charge. That went downhill starting in 2008 and by 2010 the process was pretty much irreversible.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:03:15am

re: #191 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was a time when I would actually consider certain GOP candidates for some offices. Heck, I might have voted for Mitt Romney as Governor had I lived in Massachusetts in 2002, and I supported John McCain in the 2000 primaries.

But I cannot imagine the current GOP even nominating anyone I would consider for more than a few seconds.

The GOP’s love affair with the Religious Right turned me off from the party entirely. McCain’s selection of Palin was one of the many symptoms of the disease. How ironic that the candidate the party got after all that ass-kissing of the RR was someone who has barely any connection to religion or the Bible.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:05:06am

I’m not sure I buy a lot into secret Clinton or secret Trump voters, that’s never really played out in any election. I do see a lot of Johnson and Stein supporters voting for either Clinton or Trump, because historically that’s what’s happened (and from what polls have shown about two-person verses four-person polls, a lot of the Johnson supporters choose Clinton in a two way race). But, Clinton is ahead. And I think she’s set up the single most important thing: a massive GOTV effort. That, to me, is the single most important factor in this election.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:05:09am

re: #198 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The GOP’s love affair with the Religious Right turned me off from the party entirely. McCain’s selection of Palin was one of the many symptoms of the disease. How ironic that the candidate the party got after all that ass-kissing of the RR was someone who has barely any connection to religion or the Bible.

It also shows what the party had to “gain” from pandering to the Religious Right. Two Corinthians walk into a bar…

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:06:28am

Hey, where’s Nyet? Haven’t seen him in a little while.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:06:51am

re: #199 Belafon

But, Clinton is ahead. And I think she’s set up the single most important thing: a massive GOTV effort. That, to me, is the single most important factor in this election.

As soon as I saw the length of the voting lines in 2008, I knew it was going to go to Obama. I could tell from the photos and video images that those people were not out in mass to vote for McCain/SP.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:06:56am

re: #194 Timothy Watson

That’s the one:

He hasn’t been around because he was unable to defend this.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:07:22am

re: #199 Belafon

I’m not sure I buy a lot into secret Clinton or secret Trump voters, that’s never really played out in any election. I do see a lot of Johnson and Stein supporters voting for either Clinton or Trump, because historically that’s what’s happened (and from what polls have shown about two-person verses four-person polls, a lot of the Johnson supporters choose Clinton in a two way race). But, Clinton is ahead. And I think she’s set up the single most important thing: a massive GOTV effort. That, to me, is the single most important factor in this election.

The GOTV thing does have me more confident. I also see Trump as having a much lower ceiling than she does too. I dunno. This election has been weird. I’m hoping HRC can haev a much better October than September and set herself up for a convincing victory in November.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:08:05am

re: #203 Belafon

That’s the one:

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He hasn’t been around because he was unable to defend this.

I think he did come back the day or so after he said that but other than that I haven’t seen much of him.

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:08:11am

re: #188 Timothy Watson

He hasn’t been very active on Twitter recently either.

Not active, or did he make the feed private?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:09:27am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

I am hoping that too, so I can relax.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:09:51am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

I think he did come back the day or so after he said that but other than that I haven’t seen much of him.

Every time he came back, someone would ask him about that tweet. I’m sure he got tired of it.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:10:12am

re: #206 sagehen

Not active, or did he make the feed private?

Not very active, his feed’s public or at least I can see it. Last tweet was on 9/14 (NRA retweet), and then 9/12, 9/09, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:10:24am

re: #208 Belafon

Every time he came back, someone would ask him about that tweet. I’m sure he got tired of it.

Yeah I think you’re right about that. Just saying he has been back since he made that idiotic tweet.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:10:32am

re: #203 Belafon

Conniving, Cackling, Crooked

Doddering. Delirious. Duped.

Floundering. Flabbergasted. Flatulent.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:10:46am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:11:13am

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It also shows what the party had to “gain” from pandering to the Religious Right. Two Corinthians walk into a bar…

A better long range plan would have been to attract non-white people in general and anyone with an IQ above room temperature, instead of alienating them. The GOP leadership (and I use that term very loosely) has basically handed the Democrats the fastest growing demographic (non-white people) on a silver platter, and succeeded only in attracting the dregs of the white people demographic, a dwindling resource.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:13:04am

If you had to ask me, I think he’s probably feeling guilty since he knows he’s going to vote Trump and knows that would really alienate him from a lot of people here. It was probably easier for him to say no way he would vote Trump when Trump and HRC appeared further apart but now that it’s tightened and DF does have his party loyalty. I don’t know. I don’t wish DF ill but it frustrates me greatly how he can’t empathize with people not like him whether they’re women, people of a different ethnic background, or whatever. I don’t think he’s a bad person honestly but he can’t break his parents party which I think is honestly kind of sad the way he always described it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:14:27am

re: #207 Ziggy_TARDIS

I am hoping that too, so I can relax.

Yeah one more long month dude. I think she pulls it out. It’s just not going to be as big as it should be but I’ll be happy to be proven wrong. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind her pointing out to the youth voters enthralled by Johnson that his economic views and concept of civil rights are reactionary as hell.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:14:34am

re: #213 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

A better long range plan would have been to attract non-white people in general and anyone with an IQ above room temperature, instead of alienating them. The GOP leadership (and I use that term very loosely) has basically handed the Democrats the fastest growing demographic (non-white people) on a silver platter, and succeeded only in attracting the dregs of the white people demographic, a dwindling resource.

if you let “those” people in, theyre gonna want a voice, and to participate, be precinct committeemen, hold offices, and have some power/leverage.

cant allow that

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:14:50am

re: #212 Ziggy_TARDIS

A lot of our “If a Democrat had done _____, Republicans would have gone nuts” can’t really be proven, because its hard to prove that it’s likely a Republican would have actually gone nuts. But, in this case, it’s pretty easy to prove that Republicans would have turned “a Democrat is getting help from Russia” into a presidential ending scandal.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:16:30am

Ok, in Colorado, fewer than 10 Non-White people were polled.

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:18:18am

re: #217 Belafon

A lot of our “If a Democrat had done _____, Republicans would have gone nuts” can’t really be proven, because its hard to prove that it’s likely a Republican would have actually gone nuts. But, in this case, it’s pretty easy to prove that Republicans would have turned “a Democrat is getting help from Russia” into a presidential ending scandal.

No need to speculate — google “Bill Clinton Russia College”.

When he was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, he took a 1-week vacation in Moscow. This was a big issue in the 1992 campaign.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:19:19am

Speaking of Kirk Douglas turning 100, I saw a neat story the other day about a Holocaust survivor who recently got her citizenship and who is going to vote for HRC. I’ve also been reading a lot about the new African-American history museum in Washington and man it just gets me how many of my fellow whites do not even attempt to empathize. Here’s something to put in perspective though. The 99 year old woman who rang the bell to open the museum yesterday’s father was a slave. A lot of white people want to act like slavery was so long ago but for this woman, she could point to her own father as a former slave and there are plenty of people like her who either had fathers or grandparents that were born slaves that are still with us. I remember about ten years ago when Congress signed an apology for lynching, one of the men on hand when President Bush signed the legislation was a survivor of a lynching. Historical perspective is what we all need.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:20:12am

re: #218 Ziggy_TARDIS

Ok, in Colorado, fewer than 10 Non-White people were polled.

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That’s just lazy polling. No excuse at all for that.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:20:42am

re: #218 Ziggy_TARDIS

Ok, in Colorado, fewer than 10 Non-White people were polled.

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Yeah and overall, I just don’t see Dumpster getting minority support enough to win this. They might not turn out for Hillary like they did for Obama, but I expect them to turnout out enough.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:21:12am

re: #221 HappyWarrior

That’s just lazy polling. No excuse at all for that.

Nobody cares about non-white people.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:21:13am

re: #222 Sir John Barron

Hispanics will turn out. So will Muslims.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:21:30am

re: #222 Sir John Barron

Yeah and overall, I just don’t see Dumpster getting minority support enough to win this. They might not turn out for Hillary like they did for Obama, but I expect them to turnout out enough.

That is why I remain hopeful.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:21:39am

re: #213 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

A better long range plan would have been to attract non-white people in general and anyone with an IQ above room temperature, instead of alienating them. The GOP leadership (and I use that term very loosely) has basically handed the Democrats the fastest growing demographic (non-white people) on a silver platter, and succeeded only in attracting the dregs of the white people demographic, a dwindling resource.

Because by basically doing anything at all to appeal to non-white voters, they would have totally alienated their “base”.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:21:53am

re: #216 dangerman

if you let “those” people in, theyre gonna want a voice, and to participate, be precinct committeemen, hold offices, and have some power/leverage.

cant allow that

Sadly true. There are still a lot of Republicans who are staunchly racist/sexist/classist. Not exactly a warm and fuzzy group of people right now toward anyone not white, Religious Right Christian or eligible for country club membership somewhere.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:24:08am

re: #226 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because by basically doing anything at all to appeal to non-white voters, they would have totally alienated their “base”.

The GOP painted itself into a corner. I don’t see how it’s going to extricate itself from its predicament without some purging or splitting happening.

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:24:09am

re: #117 Birth Control Works

Yes, You can tell it’s morning when GGT is posting in the previous thread.

I need a debate caption for this one:
(feral girl’s new friend —a 10 week old Field Spaniel.)

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OMG!! SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO cute!!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:24:44am

Personally. As I said throughout the summer, I just don’t see Trump being able to gain enough states that were Obama states to swing it in his favor and I think he’s alienated enough key demos to ensure that. I also think some polls have drastically underpolled groups that will heavily break for HRC too as that Colorado poll just showed did.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:25:29am

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Kirk Douglas turning 100, I saw a neat story the other day about a Holocaust survivor who recently got her citizenship and who is going to vote for HRC. I’ve also been reading a lot about the new African-American history museum in Washington and man it just gets me how many of my fellow whites do not even attempt to empathize. Here’s something to put in perspective though. The 99 year old woman who rang the bell to open the museum yesterday’s father was a slave. A lot of white people want to act like slavery was so long ago but for this woman, she could point to her own father as a former slave and there are plenty of people like her who either had fathers or grandparents that were born slaves that are still with us. I remember about ten years ago when Congress signed an apology for lynching, one of the men on hand when President Bush signed the legislation was a survivor of a lynching. Historical perspective is what we all need.

Last year, my son had to visit a museum that he’d never visited before. We’ve gone to the art and science museums here in the DFW area, so we went to the African American museum. One of the things we learned there was where Lemon Avenue and 75 meet used to be an African American graveyard. When it came time to build a road in the area, it’s pretty obvious the government didn’t have any trouble digging up that area. They did move the graves somewhere else, but all they would have needed to do to avoid the cemetery was move about 50 feet east.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:25:47am

re: #226 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because by basically doing anything at all to appeal to non-white voters, they would have totally alienated their “base”.

yes this is true too

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:26:36am

Well, people, I have to go to bed, since I have classes beginning at 8 am local time. Here’s hoping the debate turns out helping our girl and embarrassing the Talking Yam.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:27:47am

re: #222 Sir John Barron

Yeah and overall, I just don’t see Dumpster getting minority support enough to win this. They might not turn out for Hillary like they did for Obama, but I expect them to turnout out enough.

From what I’ve seen, minorities are going to turn out for Clinton like they have in previous elections; we might even have more Latinos turn out that before. It’s getting the whites out that will be key. We may not represent the majority of the Democratic party like whites do in the Republican party, but it will take everyone to turn out.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:28:07am

re: #231 Belafon

Last year, my son had to visit a museum that he’d never visited before. We’ve gone to the art and science museums here in the DFW area, so we went to the African American museum. One of the things we learned there was where Lemon Avenue and 75 meet used to be an African American graveyard. When it came time to build a road in the area, it’s pretty obvious the government didn’t have any trouble digging up that area. They did move the graves somewhere else, but all they would have needed to do to avoid the cemetery was move about 50 feet east.

It’s too bad they didn’t. Honestly, I think historical preservation is a worthy goal. I still remember visiting an old Jewish cemetery when I visited Prague. Man, that was just a haunting experience. The Czech Jewish community had prior to WWII been among the oldest Jewish communities in Europe and all I could think about is how the Nazis wiped all that history and so many of those families out within seconds. Damn shame.

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Jenner7  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:28:17am

So, my crazy Berner sister has stopped being insane and says she is voting for Hillary. She says, “What choice do I have?”. Exactly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:28:46am

re: #228 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The GOP painted itself into a corner. I don’t see how it’s going to extricate itself from its predicament without some purging or splitting happening.

I still recall John McCain dismissing the woman at a town hall meeting who had shouted “Obama is a Muslim!”.

After that, the GOP seemed to make no more effort to address such comments or even distance themselves from it, and the party descended into an attention-grabbing free-for-all race to the bottom of the basket.

And guess which candidate was there at the bottom of the basket just waiting for his people to find him and his message?

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gwangung  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:30:32am
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MsJ  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:32:10am

re: #183 Great White Snark

Needs an #ImWithHer :-)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:32:20am

re: #238 gwangung

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I’m not into CTs either but I agree something just doesn’t add up here. And we have seen some examples of pollsters underpolling key groups. i dunno. I really want to give them the bod and not sound like a lunatic but something’s off here.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:33:04am

re: #236 Jenner7

So, my crazy Berner sister has stopped being insane and says she is voting for Hillary. She says, “What choice do I have?”. Exactly.

Tell your sister, support your favorite candidate during the primary, and vote Democrat in the election. That is how you get the party to listen to you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:33:21am

re: #240 HappyWarrior

I’m not into CTs either but I agree something just doesn’t add up here. And we have seen some examples of pollsters underpolling key groups. i dunno. I really want to give them the bod and not sound like a lunatic but something’s off here.

We have no reason to assume anything other than that they are acting in their own perceived commercial interest…

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:34:01am

re: #238 gwangung

Look at any media poll. Nearly every one has Clinton outperforming Obama w white voters, sometimes by a lot. Yet most show a closer race

Is white men a larger percentage of the people polled versus polls?

And exit polling does tend to not be entirely representation since it’s hard to poll a large number of precincts.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:34:12am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We have no reason to assume anything other than that they are acting in their own perceived commercial interest…

That is a good point.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:34:15am

Monday morning

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:34:18am

How scared is she? She’s taking the job of being President far more seriously than Trump and his clown car of crazies he’s surrounded himself with. Trump’s idea of prep is to eat a taco bowl and claim he knows all about Mexico. He looked at a flag of the US, and thinks that he’s all knowing about America.

I could go on, but we’re operating on double standard time.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:34:58am

re: #246 lawhawk

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How scared is she? She’s taking the job of being President far more seriously than Trump and his clown car of crazies he’s surrounded himself with. Trump’s idea of prep is to eat a taco bowl and claim he knows all about Mexico. He looked at a flag of the US, and thinks that he’s all knowing about America.

I could go on, but we’re operating on double standard time.

I’m looking forward to Jim’s squirming when his fellow white supremacist Trump goes down in flames.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:35:04am

re: #246 lawhawk

WOW! Just How Scared Is She?… Hillary Clinton Holds Last Minute Mock Debate (VIDEO) thegatewaypundit.com via @gatewaypundit
— Jim Hoft

WOW! BREAKING! WOW!

Dim Jim is dim.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:35:11am

re: #245 FormerDirtDart

Monday morning

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:35:32am

re: #245 FormerDirtDart

So, lone wolf gunman with mental health issues.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:36:28am

re: #246 lawhawk

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How scared is she? She’s taking the job of being President far more seriously than Trump and his clown car of crazies he’s surrounded himself with. Trump’s idea of prep is to eat a taco bowl and claim he knows all about Mexico. He looked at a flag of the US, and thinks that he’s all knowing about America.

I could go on, but we’re operating on double standard time.

The week leading up to a test, I would study. The morning of the test, I would study. Right before the test, I would study.

Jim never did anything hard in his life.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:37:33am

re: #251 Belafon

The week leading up to a test, I would study. The morning of the test, I would study. Right before the test, I would study.

Jim never did anything hard in his life.

Certainly. And honestly I do the same thing with job interviews too. It’s called preparation.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:38:14am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Certainly. And honestly I do the same thing with job interviews too. It’s called preparation.

Debate preparation is the new WOW! Obama uses teleprompter!!!!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:38:16am

Stein the Turbo-Bigot:

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:38:43am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:38:59am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Certainly. And honestly I do the same thing with job interviews too. It’s called preparation.

Preparation must not be a thing in the wingnut welfare circuit.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:40:26am

re: #256 Sir John Barron

Preparation must not be a thing in the wingnut welfare circuit.

Next it’ll be a huge scandal that she prepped for meetings with foreign leaders.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:41:20am

re: #256 Sir John Barron

Preparation must not be a thing in the wingnut welfare circuit.

Well when your message has been the same thing for the last 30 years, ti doesn’t take much preparation I guess. Clinton OTOH realizes she’s running against Trump and not someone like H.W Bush who had a coherent ideology.

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:41:34am

re: #220 HappyWarrior

A child who was 8 at Emancipation… was old enough to understand. He/she knew the difference between before and after, 8 is old enough to be a credible witness at trial.

Some of those children were still going into schools to tell their stories, share memories, answer questions, well into the Eisenhower administration.

The 2nd graders who met those former slaves (or former slave owners) and heard their testimony first-hand… are only just now reaching retirement age. There are hundreds of thousands of people alive today, in New York and Los Angeles and Chicago and Atlanta, who’ve looked into their eyes while they relived the memories. Including Jimmy Carter, John McCain, George HW Bush, Bob Dole.

Haley Barbour knew (as in, socialized with in his home) people who used to own slaves. Mike Huckabee knew people who used to own slaves. John Boehner and Mitch McConnell knew people who used to own slaves.

It’s not “ancient history” at all.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:42:04am

re: #257 Timothy Watson

Next it’ll be a huge scandal that she prepped for meetings with foreign leaders.

Or that she read up on a situation because you know Trump’s approach of “I know best and I was elected to lead not to read” is how a leader should operate.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:42:24am

re: #254 Ziggy_TARDIS

A reminder about her running mate:

Baraka characterized the 2014 Ukrainian revolution as a “U.S.-supported coup” that contained “racist neo-Nazi elements.”[36] After the 2014 Odessa clashes, which resulted in the deaths of 42 pro-Russian and six pro-Ukrainian protestors, Baraka wrote that he was “outraged by the murder of people defending their rights to self-determination at the hands of U.S.-supported thugs in Odessa.”[37] He has also suggested that the victory of Petro Poroshenko in the 2014 Ukrainian presidential election was illegitimate, questioning “what makes the election in Ukraine legitimate when half of the country boycotts the vote and the national army violently attacks its own citizens in Eastern Ukraine who refused to recognize the legitimacy of the coup-makers in Kiev”.[32]

Two days after the event, Baraka expressed his suspicions that the shootdown of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over Ukraine was a “false flag” operation, saying: “Someone wrote about three weeks ago that we should expect a major false flag operation in eastern Ukraine that’s going to be then blamed on the Russians. And that’s exactly what has happened. They’re trying to say in the Western press that the Ukrainian government does not have access to that kind of weaponry, when it’s clear that they do.”[38][39] He criticized Western media coverage of the event for “undermining anything coming from Russia Today. That’s where you see the story being advanced that there is a possibility that this story is a little more complicated than people realize.”[40] Baraka also claimed that observers from the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe were “sent in basically as spies who showed up on the scene to quote-unquote ‘monitor’.”

In a January 2015 essay, Baraka described the Republican march in Paris in reaction to the Charlie Hebdo shooting as a “white power march,” and the Je suis Charlie movement in general as an “arrogant rallying cry for white supremacy”.[46] Baraka condemned the disproportionate interest in the Charlie Hebdo attacks and the relative lack of interest in the Baga massacre in Nigeria by Boko Haram, which took place days before the Charlie Hebdo shooting and resulted in many more deaths. Baraka also criticized the “degrading ritual” of assimilation that Arabs and Muslims undergo in France, the “arrogant lack of respect for the ideas and culture of non-European peoples” that led to the French ban on face covering in public spaces, and the “racist” and “Islamophobic” character of Charlie Hebdo’s recent publications.[46]

Baraka’s “Je suis Charlie” article was republished in January 2016 in an anthology about the November 2015 Paris attacks. The book, titled ANOTHER French False Flag? Bloody Tracks from Paris to San Bernadino, was edited by Kevin Barrett, a Holocaust denier and 9/11 conspiracy theorist.[31] Baraka also has appeared at least twice on Barrett’s radio show.[31] Other contributors to the anthology (including controversial figures such as Gilad Atzmon and Alain Soral)[31] posited “that the Charlie Hebdo attacks and many others were perpetrated by the CIA and Mossad” as “false flags.”[47] Yair Rosenberg of Tablet described the work as a “veritable who’s who of bigots and conspiracy theorists.”[47]

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gwangung  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:42:28am

re: #243 Timothy Watson

Is white men a larger percentage of the people polled versus polls?

And exit polling does tend to not be entirely representation since it’s hard to poll a large number of precincts.

What’s working, too, is the working assumptions of the models pollsters use. Recall this article: Same raw data given to four pollsters give four different results.

Some of this is really bad methodology (only 10 non-white? No people under 40?); some of it is very questionable modeling (non-white voting falls back to 2004, despite demographic changes?). Like I said before, I’m beginning to think there are enough really bad polling being done that even the aggregators are being affected.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:43:13am

re: #257 Timothy Watson

Next it’ll be a huge scandal that she prepped for meetings with foreign leaders.

WOW! Hillary so old and dumb she has to prepare for meetings with foreign leaders! BREAKING!

Media: Many people are saying that Hillary prepares too much, should improvise more with foreign leaders, members of Congress.

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Jayleia  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:43:17am

re: #256 Sir John Barron

Why prepare? Whinenut welfare only really pays off if you don’t succeed, therefore preparation makes success LESS likely.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:43:41am

re: #259 sagehen

A child who was 8 at Emancipation… was old enough to understand. He/she knew the difference between before and after, 8 is old enough to be a credible witness at trial.

Some of those children were still going into schools to tell their stories, share memories, answer questions, well into the Eisenhower administration.

The 2nd graders who met those former slaves (or former slave owners) and heard their testimony first-hand… are only just now reaching retirement age. There are hundreds of thousands of people alive today, in New York and Los Angeles and Chicago and Atlanta, who’ve looked into their eyes while they relived the memories. Including Jimmy Carter, John McCain, George HW Bush, Bob Dole.

Haley Barbour knew (as in, socialized with in his home) people who used to own slaves. Mike Huckabee knew people who used to own slaves. John Boehner and Mitch McConnell knew people who used to own slaves.

It’s not “ancient history” at all.

Exactly. It simply wasn’t that as long ago as people want to think it was.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:44:39am

re: #256 Sir John Barron

Preparation must not be a thing in the wingnut welfare circuit.

its only for the elites

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:45:49am

re: #266 dangerman

its only for the elites

and pansies who don’t want America to be Great Again.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:45:54am

re: #262 gwangung

What’s working, too, is the working assumptions of the models pollsters use. Recall this article: Same raw data given to four pollsters give four different results.

Some of this is really bad methodology (only 10 non-white? No people under 40?); some of it is very questionable modeling (non-white voting falls back to 2004, despite demographic changes?). Like I said before, I’m beginning to think there are enough really bad polling being done that even the aggregators are being affected.

That I wouldn’t be surprised at. Remember in 2012 when the betting market got manipulated in order to make Romney look like he was winning? I understand that there are definitely people that like to vote for the winner, and these type of actions might cause them to reconsider, but the race would have to be really close for that to make much of a difference, as in “win the popular vote, lose the electoral college” close. And it isn’t. I think that kind of thing could backfire on Trump and Republicans.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:45:55am

I am beginning to come around to the idea that there is something fucky going on with the polling.

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:46:13am

re: #245 FormerDirtDart

Monday morning

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:46:20am

re: #262 gwangung

What’s working, too, is the working assumptions of the models pollsters use. Recall this article: Same raw data given to four pollsters give four different results.

Some of this is really bad methodology (only 10 non-white? No people under 40?); some of it is very questionable modeling (non-white voting falls back to 2004, despite demographic changes?). Like I said before, I’m beginning to think there are enough really bad polling being done that even the aggregators are being affected.

well i never answer my phone so im sure thats skewing things

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:46:30am

You talk about close we are historically to things that seem much deeper in the past.

Going the other way consider there are a lot of people alive today who will see the 22nd century.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:47:14am

re: #271 dangerman

well i never answer my phone so im sure thats skewing things

Phones are the worst things ever.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:47:29am

re: #272 Eclectic Cyborg

You talk about close we are historically to things that seem much deeper in the past.

Going the other way consider there are a lot of people alive today who will see the 22nd century.

It goes that way too absolutely.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:47:32am

re: #267 Sir John Barron

and ivy-league educated pansies who don’t want America to be Great Again.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:49:06am

Slippery Ted & Slippery Don

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:49:38am

re: #275 dangerman

Well except the good kind of Ivy Leaguers like Trump and Romney. I still remember Romney saying Obama spent too much time at Harvard even though Romney was the one with the Ivy League undergrad degree and JD and MBA. Honestly, I’ve never been to an Ivy League campus but conservative attitudes towards elites always amuses me since conservatism at its very core in this country is an elitist ideology but at the same time, they want to act like theirs is the ideology of the everyman by disdaining things like higher education and intellectual curioustiy.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:50:16am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

I won’t be one of them.

In the past 3-4 years, Tremors have developed in my hands. Right now, it only shows if my hands are not moving.

However, this wasn’t present during college. The bright side is, there is a mild family history of Alzheimer’s and Dementia and similar diseases. If I am lucky, whatever is causing the slow motor degradation will kill me before those can come into play.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:51:54am

re: #278 Ziggy_TARDIS

I won’t be one of them.

In the past 3-4 years, Tremors have developed in my hands. Right now, it only shows if my hands are not moving.

However, this wasn’t present during college. The bright side is, there is a mild family history of Alzheimer’s and Dementia and similar diseases. If I am lucky, whatever is causing the slow motor degradation will kill me before those can come into play.

Sorry about your health issues. Frustrating stuff. I hear you though having a heart condition myself. Just glad the past few years I’ve whipped myself into the best shape of my life.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:51:58am

re: #272 Eclectic Cyborg

You talk about close we are historically to things that seem much deeper in the past.

Going the other way consider there are a lot of people alive today who will see the 22nd century.

as long as we keep trumps small hands away from the button

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:52:51am

re: #278 Ziggy_TARDIS

I am sorry for your health issues and I hope some of the newer treatments can outpace your condition.

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2016 • 7:53:28am

re: #272 Eclectic Cyborg

You talk about close we are historically to things that seem much deeper in the past.

Going the other way consider there are a lot of people alive today who will see the 22nd century.

“Sherlock Holmes In The 22nd Century 101 - The Fall And Rise Of Sherlock Holmes”

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:03:14am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:06:58am

re: #282 sagehen

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:08:39am

re: #283 Dr. Matt

Deplorable Exhibit # 945,321

CNN panel goes off the rails after Trump surrogate mocks Hillary Clinton’s figure

Yeah but don’t call them deplorable when they you know act deplorable. Honestly, I think Hillary was being too kind to them. They’re more than deplorable. They’re pathetic bigots who a generation ago would have been relegated to the fringe but because the GOP cared more about enabling their base’s hatred of Obama rather than working with him, these people are now the mainstream of the GOP and right wing in our country/

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:10:47am

re: #283 Dr. Matt

Deplorable Exhibit # 945,321

CNN panel goes off the rails after Trump surrogate mocks Hillary Clinton’s figure

It looks to me like this guy was using a Trump tactic: Say something so outrageous that you change the subject. From the article, it doesn’t look like he entirely succeeded, but it did throw things off for a bit.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:11:00am

Baby Whiplash’s timeline is more of a shitshow than it usually is. He’s crapping his pants over the debate.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:11:49am

re: #287 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash’s timeline is more of a shitshow than it usually is. He’s crapping his pants over the debate.

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He’s not as witty as he thinks he is and we know he’s going to vote for Trump because he hates Clinton that much.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:12:26am

re: #288 HappyWarrior

He’s not as witty as he thinks he is and we know he’s going to vote for Trump because he hates Clinton that much.

He will ride the Trump Train even if it’s in the cattle car.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:13:08am

re: #287 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash’s timeline is more of a shitshow than it usually is. He’s crapping his pants over the debate.

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I really do feel sorry for his baby daughter having to be raised by such a useful idiot and all-around vile human.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:14:09am

re: #290 Dr. Matt

I really do feel sorry for his baby daughter having to be raised by such a useful idiot and all-around vile human.

I feel sorry for his whole family.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:14:45am

Li’l Whiplash doesn’t like Trump because HE IS NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!!!11!!!

I am not making this up.

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:16:04am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:16:07am

re: #292 The Vicious Babushka

Li’l Whiplash doesn’t like Trump because HE IS NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!!!11!!!

I am not making this up.

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

Is that like voting for Terry McAuliffe because Ken Cuccinelli wasn’t conservative enough?

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:16:14am

re: #287 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash’s timeline is more of a shitshow than it usually is. He’s crapping his pants over the debate.

The problem, Ben, is that the people who might have shunned this person (and yes, it’s the same person in both cases) know they’re reign of terror is almost over and they’ll do anything to keep hold. The Republican party, as it stands right now, will not be able to handle the country electing the first woman after the first black man.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:16:43am

re: #292 The Vicious Babushka

Li’l Whiplash doesn’t like Trump because HE IS NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!!!11!!!

I am not making this up.

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

It’s because of Trump’s populist economic language which makes the idiot think Trump is a “leftist.” He doesn’t understand how right wing populism works.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:16:51am

News from Jacksonville, FL.

“…The fliers, stuffed in plastic bags weighted with rice, claim to come from the Detroit-based Neo-Nazi group National Socialist Movement and urge people to “Join the NSM.”…”

The weighted plastic bag is pretty typical in Nazi literature distribution. But, I’ve usually heard of them weighing it down with hard candy (lure the kids in young). So, Northern Florida Neo-Nazi’s are some cheap ass bastards.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:17:13am

re: #294 Timothy Watson

Is that like voting for Terry McAuliffe because Ken Cuccinelli wasn’t conservative enough?

Man am I glad we dodged that bullet.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:17:55am

re: #297 FormerDirtDart

News from Jacksonville, FL.

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The weighted plastic bag is pretty typical in Nazi literature distribution. But, I’ve usually heard of them weighing it down with hard candy (lure the kids in young). So, Northern Florida Neo-Nazi’s are some cheap ass bastards.

I hate Illinois Michigan Nazis.

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:18:20am

re: #283 Dr. Matt

Deplorable Exhibit # 945,321

CNN panel goes off the rails after Trump surrogate mocks Hillary Clinton’s figure

Sigh.

CNN’s politics editor Mark Preston claimed that Trump isn’t necessarily getting a pass from the media as it is the voters. “It is tied, now. It’s basically tied,” he said. “He has a shot of winning. He has a litany of things where he has erroneously said things, and he’s still there. The voters don’t care much about the facts.”

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:18:28am

re: #297 FormerDirtDart

News from Jacksonville, FL.

Jax, FL aka South Georgia.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:18:57am

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Kirk Douglas turning 100, I saw a neat story the other day about a Holocaust survivor who recently got her citizenship and who is going to vote for HRC. I’ve also been reading a lot about the new African-American history museum in Washington and man it just gets me how many of my fellow whites do not even attempt to empathize. Here’s something to put in perspective though. The 99 year old woman who rang the bell to open the museum yesterday’s father was a slave. A lot of white people want to act like slavery was so long ago but for this woman, she could point to her own father as a former slave and there are plenty of people like her who either had fathers or grandparents that were born slaves that are still with us. I remember about ten years ago when Congress signed an apology for lynching, one of the men on hand when President Bush signed the legislation was a survivor of a lynching. Historical perspective is what we all need.

That’s exactly what I said a few days back when I heard about that 99-year old woman. It’s amazing that someone is alive today who can say that her father was a slave. Makes it clear that slavery wasn’t hundreds of years ago as so many people claim. And of course, Jim Crow was within my parents’ lifetime and they talk about it as if it was yesterday (although they are of Jamaican descent and never lived in the U.S.).

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:19:08am

re: #293 Dr. Matt

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Please, no more of that woman! She creeps me out.

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:19:36am

I’ve been watching Gilmore Girls in syndication (missed it first run) and the final episode just started.

Rory graduated from Yale last week, and just got her first real job — covering the Obama campaign for an on-line magazine. She has to leave in 3 days for Iowa, cancel all her summer plans, because “I don’t know how long I’ll be gone, maybe 2 years if he does well.”

(first aired May 15, 2007).

Sigh.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:19:40am

re: #283 Dr. Matt

Deplorable Exhibit # 945,321

CNN panel goes off the rails after Trump surrogate mocks Hillary Clinton’s figure

Sorry but I have to laugh. That is so ridiculous. Just shows how childish our political opponents have become.

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:20:43am

Welcome to the party pal….

Rubin ignored or excused that behavior for years. But now? She’s come around to the realization that the right wing/GOP is beyond deplorable. They’re overt racists and bigots that deserve being called deplorable. Or much more accurate words.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:20:55am

re: #302 Patricia Kayden

That’s exactly what I said a few days back when I heard about that 99-year old woman. It’s amazing that someone is alive today who can say that her father was a slave. Makes it clear that slavery wasn’t hundreds of years ago as so many people claim. And of course, Jim Crow was within my parents’ lifetime and they talk about it as if it was yesterday (although they are of Jamaican descent and never lived in the U.S.).

It really is fascinating to think about the world she was born into. I’m hoping to visit the new museum in a couple months after the crowds slow down some. I love history museums. It just sounds like a wonderful museum and well curated to tell the story of the African-American experience in this country.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:21:28am

re: #127 Birth Control Works

There are five living U.S. presidents. None of them support Donald Trump.
Link

American Trump Supporters: “What do they know? They are just Politicians. Trump is THE MAN.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:21:32am

re: #287 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash’s timeline is more of a shitshow than it usually is. He’s crapping his pants over the debate.

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I wonder if whoever pays Shapiro’s salary ever wonders about the wisdom and usefulness of their investment.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:22:54am

re: #306 lawhawk

Welcome to the party pal….

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Rubin ignored or excused that behavior for years. But now? She’s come around to the realization that the right wing/GOP is beyond deplorable. They’re overt racists and bigots that deserve being called deplorable. Or much more accurate words.

Yeah I have the same thought. Where the hell was Jen when the right was spouting alot of this stuff? I mean, props if she does see Trump for the bigoted shit stain he is but it to me is telling that so many conservative pundits are acting like this isn’t their ideology being represented. No, guys, this is definitely your ideology being represented, it’s just a louder form that has been echoed by the right wing masses for as long as we can remember.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:23:09am

re: #306 lawhawk

Welcome to the party pal….

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Rubin ignored or excused that behavior for years. But now? She’s come around to the realization that the right wing/GOP is beyond deplorable. They’re overt racists and bigots that deserve being called deplorable. Or much more accurate words.

Let me guess, she didn’t jump on the Trump train and got inundated with anti-Semitic death threats?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:27:42am

I think a lot of conservative pundits hate Trump because he’s exposed that the right wing base really doesn’t care so much about free markets or even a strong military but just about resenting the other. In short, he’s exposed their ideology for what liberals have been saying the right wing movement has been about in this country for decades. Maybe some conservatives genuinely are disgusted by Trump but some of them I firmly believe loathe Trump because he’s proven what the left says about the right correct.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:30:19am

They’re just hoping for better ratings. They really couldn’t give a fuck…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:30:22am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

I think a lot of conservative pundits hate Trump because he’s exposed that the right wing base really doesn’t care so much about free markets or even a strong military but just about resenting the other.

He has proven that the Fundamentalists have no problem with being represented by a whoremonger and casino owner as long as he is financially successful.

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re: #313 FormerDirtDart

They’re just hoping for better ratings. They really couldn’t give a fuck…

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Now I wish I still had cable so I could watch Bloomberg.

There’s something I never thought I’d ever say…

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:31:57am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Or morals, religion…that they are what everyone with a brain has been saying, the GOP is sexist, racist, etc…about the only “closely held value” the GOP holds that trump hasn’t taken a runny shit on is homophobia, because he’s all about Hollywood and he knows that them gayz are fabulous, especially at making him look good on his reality show.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:32:03am

re: #314 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He has proven that the Fundamentalists have no problem with being represented by a whoremonger and casino owner as long as he is financially successful.

Yes, he’s also proven a lot of the Christian right’s bullshit false too.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:32:54am

re: #313 FormerDirtDart

They’re just hoping for better ratings. They really couldn’t give a fuck…

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If all it took to get a station to report the truth is the promise of better ratings, I’d leave my TV on that channel.

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:33:16am

re: #318 Belafon

If all it took to get a station to report the truth is the promise of better ratings, I’d leave my TV on that channel.

Amen to that!

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:35:09am

re: #185 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think he got tired of everyone dumping on him for his obstinate defense of all things GOP, and his reluctance to vote for either HRC or DJT. Maybe there were some issues with his parents or his work, too. I dunno. Maybe he’ll be back after the dust settles in November.

His Hillary Three Cs twitter that became exposed here really brought out the venom. He seemed to slink off after that. It was pretty telling where he was headed in the vote, especially when he got some shade from his best Republican candidate “Little Marco” saying he supported Trump.

You know what they say…do not discuss politics and religion!

Well, ‘cept for the fact that everyone discusses politics and religion here.

Edit to add in answer of Belafon’s 199…

Crooked, Conniving and Cackling Hillary

Edit to Edit to add to the damn Edit! - What was I thinking answering a comment 150 comments behind? Sigh.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:35:58am

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:36:32am

re: #316 MsJ

Or morals, religion…that they are what everyone with a brain has been saying, the GOP is sexist, racist, etc…about the only “closely held value” the GOP holds that trump hasn’t taken a runny shit on is homophobia, because he’s all about Hollywood and he knows that them gayz are fabulous, especially at making him look good on his reality show.

Exactly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:39:09am

re: #320 ObserverArt

You know what they say…do not discuss politics and religion!

Well, ‘cept for the fact that everyone discusses politics and religion here.

I agree with that on Facebook and simply because there are so many sites like this devoted to political and religious discourse. All I wanna know on FB is who you are hanging out with and where.

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sagehen  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:40:06am

re: #313 FormerDirtDart

They’re just hoping for better ratings. They really couldn’t give a fuck…

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They do too give a fuck. Michael Bloomberg hates Trump with the white-hot passion of a thousand burning suns.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:40:17am

re: #323 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I agree with that on Facebook and simply because there are so many sites like this devoted to political and religious discourse. All I wanna know on FB is who you are hanging out with and where.

I don’t mind people posting political rantings and ravings now again on Facebook but when it’s all you do, it’s annoying and I say that about people whose rantings and ravings I agree with too.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:42:48am

re: #306 lawhawk

Welcome to the party pal….

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Rubin ignored or excused that behavior for years. But now? She’s come around to the realization that the right wing/GOP is beyond deplorable. They’re overt racists and bigots that deserve being called deplorable. Or much more accurate words.

Exactly. Why is Rubin only noticing that Rightwingers lie now when that has been the case for decades? I guess Trump and his alt-right supporters were the collective straw which broke the camel’s back.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:43:45am

re: #325 HappyWarrior

I don’t mind people posting political rantings and ravings now again on Facebook but when it’s all you do, it’s annoying and I say that about people whose rantings and ravings I agree with too.

I held fast to my “no politics or religion on Facebook” rule over the weekend when I saw a friend’s crazy wingnut sister go off on her for daring to announce her intention to vote third-party. I’m really glad I didn’t dive in.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:44:21am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

I’ll be going in early November. Really looking forward to going and learning about African American history and culture. It’s great living close to D.C. because of the great museums we have here.

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:45:17am

re: #313 FormerDirtDart

They’re just hoping for better ratings. They really couldn’t give a fuck…

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Bloomberg up here doesn’t show they are carrying the debate. I queued up the channel in hopes that this is a new decision to carry it. If not I am stuck with the usual suspects.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:45:38am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:45:48am

re: #327 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I held fast to my “no politics or religion on Facebook” rule over the weekend when I saw a friend’s crazy wingnut sister go off on her for daring to announce her intention to vote third-party. I’m really glad I didn’t dive in.

Yeah I don’t blame you. I don’t do it either. Problem with politics on FB is you get into it with one person and you’ll get into it with everyone in their TL. It’s why even though my friend’s stupid right wing bs bothers me I haven’t commented because I don’t want to deal with him and his echo chamber.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:46:45am

re: #323 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I agree with that on Facebook and simply because there are so many sites like this devoted to political and religious discourse. All I wanna know on FB is who you are hanging out with and where.

Yes, the odd rant or reference is okay, but I have dumped people for their partisan obsessions

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:47:18am

re: #316 MsJ

Or morals, religion…that they are what everyone with a brain has been saying, the GOP is sexist, racist, etc…about the only “closely held value” the GOP holds that trump hasn’t taken a runny shit on is homophobia, because he’s all about Hollywood and he knows that them gayz are fabulous, especially at making him look good on his reality show.

Trump doesn’t need to be homophobic since Pence has enough homophobia for the two of them. If Trump is President, VP Pence will make sure that the LGBT community suffers through legalized discrimination and the overturning of marriage equality. You can bet on that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:47:26am

re: #328 Patricia Kayden

I’ll be going in early November. Really looking forward to going and learning about African American history and culture. It’s great living close to D.C. because of the great museums we have here.

Yeah, there’s so many great museums around here. Can’t wait to check this one out. I was reading today in the Post about all the famous people at the ceremony. Politicians, athletes, actors, musicians, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:47:45am

re: #330 Ziggy_TARDIS

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That’s called treason and sedition, bub.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:47:53am

re: #330 Ziggy_TARDIS

Trump supporters say “Patriots will overthrow the government” if Clinton wins the election.

That is another thing I do not want to think about too hard. I can well imagine that we will see a number of dust-ups at polling places between heated supporters of opposite sides.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:48:21am

re: #246 lawhawk

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How scared is she? She’s taking the job of being President far more seriously than Trump and his clown car of crazies he’s surrounded himself with. Trump’s idea of prep is to eat a taco bowl and claim he knows all about Mexico. He looked at a flag of the US, and thinks that he’s all knowing about America.

I could go on, but we’re operating on double standard time.

Is this just more media coloring? I had heard a report that Trump has been working with Roger Ailes and others doing prep work too. I guess it is just cool to paint Trump as confident enough he can “man handle” the little wonky women candidate without any effort. He’s just that good…or something.

(Damn, I’m getting bummed by reading about the media…I no longer even need to watch or read them directly.)

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:49:16am

re: #330 Ziggy_TARDIS

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gwangung  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:50:15am

re: #330 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Technically, isn’t that treason?

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:50:49am

re: #330 Ziggy_TARDIS

Go ahead and try it folks. I won’t miss you when you’re in prison.

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:51:35am

re: #333 Patricia Kayden

Trump doesn’t need to be homophobic since Pence has enough homophobia for the two of them. If Trump is President, VP Pence will make sure that the LGBT community suffers through legalized discrimination and the overturning of marriage equality. You can bet on that.

Very good point.

And should Trump win we already know that Pence will be the one actually running the country because trump is way too lazy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:53:42am

re: #341 MsJ

Very good point.

And should Trump win we already know that Pence will be the one actually running the country because trump is way too lazy.

Or too easily bored by the nuts and bolts of actual governance. Pence has said that Dick Cheney was his role model. But DC. whatever else you could say about him, was not terribly hung up about gay marriage and mixed bathrooms and anal sex…so I guess Pence will set out to do to LGBT rights what DC did to Iraq.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:58:09am

The debates won’t start for hours & Li’l Whiplash has already lost his whit (but don’t worry, he’ll find it and then lose it all over again)

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lawhawk  Sep 26, 2016 • 8:58:40am

Only he will fix the rigged system. A system that will be “fixed” to give the rich even greater tax breaks, while everyone else suffers the consequences. Massive tax cuts for 1%, while service cuts for millions because all the revenue shortfalls result in the need to close the budget, not with tax hikes, but cutting key govt services.

It’s the GOP way. And Trump’s got buy-in from the bigot brigade and the brain dead acolytes who think that they too will benefit from the rich getting massive tax breaks. Hasn’t happened before, and it wont happen here.

But when you remind folks that the economy grew like gangbusters back in the days when the rich were taxed at up to 90%, and that this went into the 1960s when the top rate was 70%, you get crickets and excuses.

Those high taxes helped pay off WWII debts, helped finance major govt obligations, etc.

Now, the GOP thinks fiscal responsibility is giving the rich tax breaks and not paying for any of it - except on the backs of the poor.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:00:01am

re: #327 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I held fast to my “no politics or religion on Facebook” rule over the weekend when I saw a friend’s crazy wingnut sister go off on her for daring to announce her intention to vote third-party. I’m really glad I didn’t dive in.

My Facebook profile wouldn’t past that test, but that’s because my Facebook profile only gets updated because it pulls stuff from Twitter.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:01:03am

re: #336 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is another thing I do not want to think about too hard. I can well imagine that we will see a number of dust-ups at polling places between heated supporters of opposite sides.

If/when Clinton wins, as much as I hate to say it, I can see another OKC bombing coming.

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:02:22am

re: #346 Dr Lizardo

If/when Clinton wins, as much as I hate to say it, I can see another OKC bombing coming.

I don’t see that. I do see the possibility of more Bundy standoffs, not only the ranch, but the refuge.

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ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:02:37am

re: #340 Belafon

Go ahead and try it folks. I won’t miss you when you’re in prison.

Or dead from police, national guard or military smoking their stupid butts if they get too full of themselves and how good they are with their gun shop ARs.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:04:34am

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HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:06:42am

Pence like Cruz in the primaries scares me more than re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

From The Boss

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Awesome.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:08:31am

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

From The Boss

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Parody account.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:10:52am

re: #351 Timothy Watson

Parody account.

Kind of baffling that The Boss would rate a parody Twitter account, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:11:10am

re: #351 Timothy Watson

Parody account.

:(

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:12:11am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

I think a lot of conservative pundits hate Trump because he’s exposed that the right wing base really doesn’t care so much about free markets or even a strong military but just about resenting the other. In short, he’s exposed their ideology for what liberals have been saying the right wing movement has been about in this country for decades. Maybe some conservatives genuinely are disgusted by Trump but some of them I firmly believe loathe Trump because he’s proven what the left says about the right correct.

“…and we just cant let them be right about anything”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:12:19am

re: #346 Dr Lizardo

If/when Clinton wins, as much as I hate to say it, I can see another OKC bombing coming.

first a n*****, then a woman, yep, it will just be too much for some Good Old Boys to take without retaliating by means of random violence

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:13:20am

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

Not the Boss. Only 6000 followers.

And I was wrong the other day when I said Kim Kardashian had 15 million followers. She has 48 million followers. On Twitter alone.

Wow.

And, thankfully, she’s all #ImWithHer.

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freetoken  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:13:59am

re: #354 Dr. Matt

I’m struck by the ostentatious TV set, all too reminiscent of a cross between the huckster TV preachers and a variant of the Oval office.

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:14:01am

re: #318 Belafon

If all it took to get a station to report the truth is the promise of better ratings, I’d leave my TV on that channel.

maybe someone will have the brains to bake that into a business model…..nah

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:14:08am

re: #354 Dr. Matt

Ted Cruz Tries To Justify Trump Endorsement To A Furious Glenn Beck

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Can you summarize?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:15:52am

re: #360 MsJ

Can you summarize?

Buckets of Blood

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:16:25am

re: #354 Dr. Matt

Ted Cruz Tries To Justify Trump Endorsement To A Furious Glenn Beck

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How about Beck justify sitting a faux Oval Office all day?

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freetoken  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:17:13am

What are the odds that this will come up tonight?

United States will miss Paris climate targets without further action, study finds

Although the Obama administration recently announced it will officially sign the climate change agreement forged in Paris nearly a year ago, making good on the deal’s promise to stem greenhouse gases could be a stretch, a new study concludes.

Even if the United States implements all current and proposed policies, it would miss its 2025 target by as much as 1.5 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide per year—roughly 20% of the nation’s total emissions, according to the analysis published today in Nature Climate Change. The 2025 target is to cut greenhouse gases 26% to 28% below 2005 levels—down to between 4.5 billion and 5.5 billion metric tons.

[…]

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dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:19:08am

re: #351 Timothy Watson

Parody account.

i dont care. its still funny

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MsJ  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:19:11am

Dear God,

Please let all of these 48 million followers who are of voting age, and look up to Kardashian as a hero, vote.

Thank you.

The World

Apparently Caitlyn wasn’t able to convert Kim to the trump train.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:19:33am

EXTREME VETTING!!!

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:20:05am

re: #365 MsJ

Dear God,

Please let all of these 48 million followers who are of voting age, and look up to Kardashian as a hero, vote.

Thank you.

The World

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Apparently Caitlyn wasn’t able to convert Kim to the trump train.

She could have picked a more flattering illustration of HRC to use…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:20:22am

From the RISKS digest:

A panel of ACM A.M. Turing Award winners convened on Thursday at the
Heidelberg Laureate Forum in Germany to discuss technology trends they find
troubling. Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Barbara Liskov
cited technology encouraging people to selectively filter out news and
opinions differing from their own as a worrisome trend. Another concern of
Liskov’s is how the Internet has empowered malevolent hackers and other
malefactors to target children. Meanwhile, Carnegie Mellon University’s Raj
Reddy discussed criminals’ ability to attack freedom technologically, noting
terrorists and other evildoers “can communicate with impunity with
encryption today.” Google chief Internet evangelist and former ACM
president Vint Cerf said bug-ridden software could undermine control of
devices comprising the Internet of Things. “It’s ordinary devices that have
a lot of software in them that don’t work the way we expect them to” that
constitute a major threat, he warned. Cerf also worries about the
obsolescence of the software needed to access online content, and a partial
solution may be to employ virtual machines in the cloud to mimic outdated
hardware. However, Cerf said other issues are in need of resolution,
including ownership of intellectual property and business models to support
long-term preservation.
orange.hosting.lsoft.com;

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Stanley Sea  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:23:03am

re: #366 A wild WITHAK appeared!

EXTREME VETTING!!!

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Josh screwed up his own lede the guy was more than the pilot:

The man tasked with chairing Donald Trump’s law enforcement coalition in Florida and flying his running mate Mike Pence to rallies was dismissed from his pilot job

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LastYearsMan  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:23:10am

I’m sorry, but I just don’t see how the United States bounces back from this one. The damage is just too profound, the political institutions are too rotted. Democracy isn’t a magic solution that makes things great. It’s an ugly set of compromises that constantly needs to be protected and supported. But the right has been happy to tear down those institutions and refuse any compromises.

And if the US turns into a second-rate basketcase, I’m seriously worried about the rest of the developed world. Can you imagine how emboldened Putin will be if Trump gets elected? There’s going to be a major push to turn every major power into a corrupt kleptocracy, and to erode democratic institutions. What a frickin’ mess.

(Sorry, feeling extra-negative at the moment … Sure, an Obama-like wave that crushes the right would be a wonderful antidote, but that’s not looking too likely anymore).

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Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:24:01am

re: #365 MsJ

Dear God,

Please let all of these 48 million followers who are of voting age, and look up to Kardashian as a hero, vote.

Thank you.

The World

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Apparently Caitlyn wasn’t able to convert Kim to the trump train.

The fact that we may have to rely on Kim Kardashian to persuade the youths? *Shudder*

Also, get off my lawn.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:24:58am

re: #360 MsJ

Can you summarize?

They are on a break.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:26:18am

re: #370 LastYearsMan

I’m sorry, but I just don’t see how the United States bounces back from this one. The damage is just too profound, the political institutions are too rotted.

I think we can stave off the advent of the Great American Idiocracy for at least one more election cycle, but the groundwork has been laid for another candidate to out-Trump DT for untouchability and Teflonicity.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:26:26am

re: #366 A wild WITHAK appeared!

EXTREME VETTING!!!

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What?! We can’t run over people we don’t like anymore?

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Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:26:40am

re: #370 LastYearsMan

I’m sorry, but I just don’t see how the United States bounces back from this one.

Yeah, we’ve never recovered from crises before. Nor has any other country that ever put a loon on the ballot. I mean, look at how France has just imploded since Marie le Pen was nominated.

//

376
Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:26:40am

re: #372 Dr. Matt

They are on a break.

Friends - We were on a break!

377
dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:27:16am

cnn.com

The weekend America’s newspapers called Donald Trump a liar

On the weekend leading up to 2016’s first presidential debate, four news organizations came to a similar and sweeping conclusion: Donald Trump lies more often than Hillary Clinton.

In a normal election year this would be extraordinary. On Sunday editors and reporters at the newsrooms used another word: necessary.

for all the other “extraordinariness” of this year’s campaign i’m still having trouble understanding how a nonstop fire hose of lies is acceptable to 40% of the country

i wonder if it’s because they behave the same way themselves?

378
Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:27:16am

A “disgruntled lawyer” opened fire at a southwest Houston shopping center on Monday morning, injuring nine people before the gunman was shot dead by police

The shooter was identified as Nathan DeSai, FOX26 reported, citing multiple sources. DeSai had previously worked at McDaniel & DeSai LLP, though the practice closed down at some point within the last year, Ken McDaniel told ABC13.

Has SMOTI found his Democrat Party voting ID?!?!?

379
Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:27:29am

re: #373 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The thing is, that person will have an even smaller electorate to work with.

380
freetoken  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:27:31am

re: #370 LastYearsMan

I’ve yet to be convinced that Drumpfskind will be elected. I am very suspicious of the need for a horse race, to boost TV ratings.

However, the one thing about which many American commentators are not tackling is the failure of the Republican party to produce a valid candidate. This is the bigger story that shows how detached from reality so many information brokers have become, and how many Americans are living a fantasy.

381
Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:29:13am

re: #358 freetoken

I’m struck by the ostentatious TV set, all too reminiscent of a cross between the huckster TV preachers and a variant of the Oval office.

BeckBeck2020: No Running Mate: Only Beck By Himself Can Save Us.

382
MsJ  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:29:21am

re: #371 Timothy Watson

The fact that we may have to rely on Kim Kardashian to persuade the youths? *Shudder*

Also, get off my lawn.

No shit. I can’t stand Kim Kardashian (any of them, actually), but I will take any help from anyone to ensure that trump and the other fascists don’t get to the WH.

383
MsJ  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:30:43am

re: #372 Dr. Matt

They are on a break.

Sorry? I don’t understand.

I only asked to summarize because i can’t watch video without changing browsers and crossing my fingers. Flash does not work for me any longer, no matter how many times I update it and say it’s Ok to run.

384
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:30:54am

re: #379 Belafon

The thing is, that person will have an even smaller electorate to work with.

They will closely study DT’s strengths and weaknesses and use that knowledge to their advantage. They will pitch the dogwhistles just right, avoid the scandalous background and know a few things about governing.

People will be tired of Hillary by then and the constant stream of “scandals” that will plague from even before she takes office.

385
freetoken  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:31:40am

Trump Picks Top Climate Skeptic to Lead EPA Transition

Donald Trump has selected one of the best-known climate skeptics to lead his U.S. EPA transition team, according to two sources close to the campaign.

Myron Ebell, director of the Center for Energy and Environment at the conservative Competitive Enterprise Institute, is spearheading Trump’s transition plans for EPA, the sources said.

The Trump team has also lined up leaders for its Energy Department and Interior Department teams. Republican energy lobbyist Mike McKenna is heading the DOE team; former Interior Department solicitor David Bernhardt is leading the effort for that agency, according to sources close to the campaign.

[…]

All the usual suspects.

386
Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:32:01am

re: #383 MsJ

Sorry? I don’t understand.

I only asked to summarize because i can’t watch video without changing browsers and crossing my fingers. Flash does not work for me any longer, no matter how many times I update it and say it’s Ok to run.

Also, if one person can watch so the rest of us don’t have to, more brain cells are saved.

387
Dr. Matt  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:32:12am

re: #383 MsJ

Sorry? I don’t understand.

Sorry. Friends’ (TV Show) Joke. Right-wing watch as a nice summary —>rightwingwatch.org.

388
MsJ  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:33:21am

re: #380 freetoken

I’ve yet to be convinced that Drumpfskind will be elected. I am very suspicious of the need for a horse race, to boost TV ratings.

However, the one thing about which many American commentators are not tackling is the failure of the Republican party to produce a valid candidate. This is the bigger story that shows how detached from reality so many information brokers have become, and how many Americans are living a fantasy.

This is what the party wanted…what the Republican voters called for (demanded!) and whom they voted for.

After being lied to for 30 years, do you really think anything that has a whiff of the massive stench emanating from the Republican party would be valid? And get through the primary process?

389
dangerman  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:33:35am

re: #384 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They will closely study DT’s strengths and weaknesses and use that knowledge to their advantage. They will pitch the dogwhistles just right, avoid the scandalous background and know a few things about governing.

People will be tired of Hillary by then and the constant stream of “scandals” that will plague from even before she takes office.

otoh

“party of trump” will not go away

and some of the media, having only started to somewhat come to this party late and start to use the “lie” word, might just have learned a lesson about what their collective job is

390
Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:33:59am

re: #387 Dr. Matt

Sorry. Friends’ (TV Show) Joke. Right-wing watch as a nice summary —>rightwingwatch.org.

Actually I’m a bit surprised Beck hasn’t gotten on the Trump Train already. Thought he would have sold out long before now.

391
Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:34:36am

re: #117 Birth Control Works

I need a rug… to pee on maybe.

392
MsJ  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:35:40am

re: #386 Sir John Barron

The crux:

“I’m asking you for new information,” Beck said. “Why now?”

Upon returning from a commercial break, Beck unloaded on Cruz and his disingenuous justification for endorsing Trump, declaring that Cruz had said things during their interview that Beck personally knows to be untrue.

“For the very first time, I heard Ted Cruz calculate and when that happened, the whole thing fell apart for me,” Beck said, declaring that he blames himself for thinking that Cruz was a man of principle instead of just another politician.

Eventually, Beck’s fury got the better of him as he worked himself up into a bellowing frenzy.

“We have become PETA. Shame on all of us,” Beck fumed over being repeatedly told by Cruz that this election represents a “binary choice” between Hillary Clinton and Trump, outraged that on every issue, the only thing that seems to matter now is that you agree with the people on your side. “Why not, if you won’t vote for Hillary or you won’t vote for Trump, why not just cover me in a bucket of blood?”

“Why not just shame me in the public square?” Beck thundered. “There is no difference between the two teams any more … Which one is for the idea that all men are created equal? That all men have a right to pursue their own happiness and make their own goddamn decisions? Which one? Which one? I contend neither of them and so we will just soak each other in buckets of blood. We’ll be a happy little bumper-sticker community that shames one another to make sure you walk in goosestep with all the other Hillary supporters or walk in goosestep with all the other Trump supporters.”

393
BlueSpotinAL  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:36:18am

re: #272 Eclectic Cyborg

You talk about close we are historically to things that seem much deeper in the past.

Going the other way consider there are a lot of people alive today who will see the 22nd century.

if Trump doesn’t get elected. ///

394
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:36:37am

re: #380 freetoken

I’ve yet to be convinced that Drumpfskind will be elected. I am very suspicious of the need for a horse race, to boost TV ratings.

However, the one thing about which many American commentators are not tackling is the failure of the Republican party to produce a valid candidate. This is the bigger story that shows how detached from reality so many information brokers have become, and how many Americans are living a fantasy.

I think that it will take a major catastrophe to tip the electorate in DT’s favor.

The GOP was appealing to peoples fears, bigotry and base instincts for a long time; that base finally found its clear voice in Donald Trump.

395
freetoken  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:38:19am

re: #392 MsJ

We have become PETA.

That would be a great line…in a parody of Oppenheimer.

396
Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:54:53am

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

Went to sleep shortly after this, but considering the Sam Wang is an academic, that was pretty damn harsh.

397
Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:55:12am

Morning Cat

398
nines09  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:55:15am

Any questions?

399
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:55:20am

Standoff with police in San Bernardino
Live feed

400
Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:55:29am
401
Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 9:57:08am

I am trying to figure out how to deal with the polling, because in a lot of cases, it does appear the numbers are being massaged to get a horserace. Especially from CNN.

402
Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:00:17am

re: #401 Ziggy_TARDIS

I am trying to figure out how to deal with the polling, because in a lot of cases, it does appear the numbers are being massaged to get a horserace. Especially from CNN.

If there were no “horserace”, no one would be watching CNN, etc. If no one’s watching, that means no ad $$$.

It’s all about the Benjamins. Don Henley said it best years and years ago.

Dirty Laundry by Don Henley [News Parody]

403
Patricia Kayden  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:00:41am

re: #354 Dr. Matt

Ted Cruz Tries To Justify Trump Endorsement To A Furious Glenn Beck

[Embedded content]

Is Beck ever calm? Every video I see of him, he’s either furious and screaming or crying his eyes out hysterically. I cannot imagine that all that drama is good for his health. I also don’t understand why he is so anti-Trump since they probably have the same politics anyways.

404
Teukka  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:00:45am

re: #395 freetoken

That would be a great line…in a parody of Oppenheimer.

Something something militant vegan form something something We have become PETA something something.

But what would we be destroyers of?

NfmU35F/y5OvhTZPNJnrsjIdW0E4+OmpBekre5m0Xyrn2+BvSsqIVmI+2/fnBhVy/73HwQxFElcBa3nqabAIavAppYun5gbk2sRTB+W+4akGSCdO5YXJmju9ZjBrz40PPnQNP361LdZTLuYRrfDhWA==

405
Stephen T.  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:01:22am

re: #401 Ziggy_TARDIS

I am trying to figure out how to deal with the polling, because in a lot of cases, it does appear the numbers are being massaged to get a horserace. Especially from CNN.

What gets me is that the polls that release their methodology also are showing a horserace. How did this election, especially this election, turn into a horserace? How in the hell is Drumpf polling that well? Are there that many people living in an echo chamber, ignorantly choosing Drumpf, or have I just not noticed that many racists around me all my life?

406
BeachDem  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:02:19am

re: #25 Decatur Deb

ymGfIyBEFin51yNNtH1T293gXNlr031BjTZsRqbp3gK0NmCy8yw+927ePip1vhck/5iS/fz5Q55PMnuCkBW0giWETLhrVTNnLtay2xHayc5zoOdkb47vIZwLk+NyrxVtSbJzVzwr+bCnvKPi9UbJ3jFcgHJiQ03Vo2ZeW4i/H2psV+a9gOShNlIy0XH1WHhXfk7Jno9gisdg6bAfnAWNT0wHtT340kFO/eSziTlwdHQy8uDJXfh7ELtTjf6l4QGGfH1xBC7X6xoU2FRg00siP3hbBVE8VD2OPgwVU/Ik7NwUBKAGyYuhR4E/m+IO/1rBeDrrNH9MrDlJCzFhtx+mvaXVQ7uZPlHqLjZMD3+8S6qPGztSFfPBKJ9J5wXkSos7

407
Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:02:58am

re: #405 Stephen T.

What gets me is that the polls that release their methodology also are showing a horserace. How did this election, especially this election, turn into a horserace? How in the hell is Drumpf polling that well? Are there that many people living in an echo chamber, ignorantly choosing Drumpf, or have I just not noticed that many racists around me all my life?

20 years of Limbaugh and Fox News have created an alternate reality for a lot of people.

408
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:05:10am

Suspect is threatening officers with… a windshield wiper blade!
Still alive.
He is a white guy.
Live Feed.

409
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:05:45am
410
freetoken  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:06:10am

re: #405 Stephen T.

The Democrats also, with foreknowledge, nominated someone with significant baked-in negatives.

411
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:06:52am

re: #410 freetoken

The Democrats also, with foreknowledge, nominated someone with significant baked-in negatives.

someone who is also highly qualified

412
SteelPH  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:07:33am

re: #321 Eric The Fruit Bat

[Embedded content]

What’s so civil about war?
//

413
freetoken  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:07:38am

re: #411 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

someone who is also highly qualified

Not so relevant in an election based on popularity.

414
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:08:52am

re: #413 freetoken

Not so relevant in an election based on popularity.

yes, almost irrelevant at this point

415
Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:09:22am

Hopefully this hits the airwaves.

416
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:10:00am

Suspect has been taken down by police unharmed.
#WhitePrivilege

417
Barefoot Grin  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:11:38am

re: #408 The Vicious Babushka

Suspect is threatening officers with… a windshield wiper blade!
Still alive.
He is a white guy.
Live Feed.

Windshield wiper blade. That is soo librul.

418
nines09  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:11:46am

re: #416 The Vicious Babushka

Suspect has been taken down by police unharmed.
#WhitePrivilege

Did they shoot him with rubber bullets?

419
Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:11:58am

re: #416 The Vicious Babushka

Suspect has been taken down by police unharmed.
#WhitePrivilege

I was about to ask when the guy was going to have a close-encounter with a bean bag round.

420
A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:12:12am

re: #415 Ziggy_TARDIS

Hopefully this hits the airwaves.

[Embedded content]

[Embedded content]

Barely made a splash 3 days ago. If it doesn’t get brought up during the debate tonight, it’ll disappear down the memory hole along with the rest of Trump’s shady dealings that have been brought to light so far.

421
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:12:15am

re: #418 nines09

Did they shoot him with rubber bullets?

They distracted him and a police officer snuck up behind him.

422
Dr Lizardo  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:12:27am

re: #415 Ziggy_TARDIS

Hopefully this hits the airwaves.

[Embedded content]

[Embedded content]

It has already.

abcnews.go.com

423
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:12:36am

Everybody is safe & no booboos.

424
Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:13:05am

heh

425
nines09  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:13:20am

re: #421 The Vicious Babushka

They distracted him and a police officer snuck up behind him.

Impressive. Got close to a perp without emptying a clip or two.

426
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:14:09am
427
Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:14:30am

re: #425 nines09

Impressive. Got close to a perp without emptying a clip or two.

Or spend five minutes beating the shit out of him after he’s been cuffed.

428
nines09  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:16:26am

re: #427 Timothy Watson

Or spend five minutes beating the shit out of him after he’s been cuffed.

Well, when you’ve had a bad day, with all the aggravation…. “I kept hitting him because he kept trying to protect his face.”

429
Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:19:18am

re: #410 freetoken

The Democrats also, with foreknowledge, nominated someone with significant baked-in negatives.

We also went and picked a woman. Talk about ignoring how people would react to that.

430
Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:20:28am

In the past 30 minutes, 538 has gone up another 2-3% for Hillary.

I admit the site is addictive, but any model that twitchy should be ignored, especially when they are not investigating some frankly sketchy behaviour from polls, and including things like CVoter, which I have never heard of.

Problem is, my impulses and my mind are at loggerheads.

Actually, CVoter is worse than I thought:

Centre for Voting Opinion & Trends in Election Research or CVoter is a polling agency based in India. It is the flagship arm of YRD Media Network. Yashwant Deshmukh is the managing director and chief editor of CVoter.[1]

A television news channel claimed in a sting operation conducted by it that some of the agencies which conduct opinion polls before elections are willing to tweak their findings for money. One of them was CVoter. After this India Today Group suspended its CVoter contract.

Why is Nate including them?

431
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:21:18am

LOLWUT

432
HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:25:04am

re: #431 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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Yeah because a reality show season finale is the same thing as debating issues of importance to our country. Reicne deserves to be lumped in with Trump fi he’s going to say stupid shit like this.

433
Eventual Carrion  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:25:48am

re: #330 Ziggy_TARDIS

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One wildlife refuge at a time.

434
wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:26:14am

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

[Embedded content]

[RNC chair @Reince says of Trump’s lack of traditional debate prep: “He’s been through 14 season finales.”]

‘Season finale’; that the only part of this campaign I’ve been looking forward to. Tonight?!?!?

435
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:29:42am

Shoot me now.

436
HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:30:45am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

Shoot me now.

[Embedded content]

[Embedded content]

Words said by someone who has a very adversarial history with facts.

437
Targetpractice  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:30:50am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

Shoot me now.

[Embedded content]

[Embedded content]

A sentiment that will be lost in the rush to fact-check every word that comes out of Hillary’s mouth tonight.

438
wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:32:23am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

Shoot me now.

[“Fact checking” is opinion journalism pretending to some sort of heightened objectivity. Very bad for journalism.]

Shoot me now.

I’m afraid that would generate a fact. Can’t have that.

439
HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:33:07am

re: #437 Targetpractice

A sentiment that will be lost in the rush to fact-check every word that comes out of Hillary’s mouth tonight.

You mean kind of like how a big deal was made of Clinton being mistaken about her grandfather or father being an immigrant but silence when Rubio made his folks out to be refugees fleeing Castro?

440
Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:37:08am

re: #439 HappyWarrior

You mean kind of like how a big deal was made of Clinton being mistaken about her grandfather or father being an immigrant but silence when Rubio made his folks out to be refugees fleeing Castro?

TRUMP: Hillary claims she’s Indian! Ha, Pocahontas!!!

Hillary: Rolls eyes

Media: Does Hillary’s “eye-roll” hurt with low-educated white men?

441
Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:37:19am

re: #435 The Vicious Babushka

Taranto is a White Nationalist.

442
Sir John Barron  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:39:09am

Debate Tonight

Hillary answers all questions as asked.

Trump pees on rug.

Media: Trump makes a very good point about the need for bathroom breaks for men in debates.

443
HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:41:05am

re: #440 Sir John Barron

TRUMP: Hillary claims she’s Indian! Ha, Pocahontas!!!

Hillary: Rolls eyes

Media: Does Hillary’s “eye-roll” hurt with low-educated white men?

Yeah that brings me to another point about how the right goes after Warren relentlessly for believing family lore to be fact when Rubio used something easily proven otherwise to boost his anti-Castro creds.

444
Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:42:25am

mental health break

445
Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:42:48am

Now the Poll Person at the NYT has taken a swipe at Nate indirectly.

446
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:45:35am

Back from my run. For a bit but I had to read all the comments before I commented.

It was almost 87 by the time I got home. But I drank lots of water and had two margarita flavored gummy blocks and that seemed to help.

447
Belafon  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:45:37am

re: #445 Ziggy_TARDIS

Now the Poll Person at the NYT has taken a swipe at Nate indirectly.

[Embedded content]

My recommendation: You should do the same.

448
Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:49:16am

re: #447 Belafon

My recommendation: You should do the same.

Yep, if anyone is spending that much time worrying about polls, use it to make some phone calls or knock on some doors instead.

449
BeachDem  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:51:11am

re: #283 Dr. Matt

Deplorable Exhibit # 945,321

CNN panel goes off the rails after Trump surrogate mocks Hillary Clinton’s figure

I only got 4 words into the article—it began “Repubican strategist, Andre Bauer” and I knew it would be a shitshow. If Andre Bauer is a strategist, I’m the Queen of England.

I really can’t believe CNN pays that idiot for his opinion, as he is about the most totally worthless asshat around (and here in south by dog carolina, that’s quite a distinction.)

450
BeachDem  Sep 26, 2016 • 10:58:39am

re: #304 sagehen

I’ve been watching Gilmore Girls in syndication (missed it first run) and the final episode just started.

Rory graduated from Yale last week, and just got her first real job — covering the Obama campaign for an on-line magazine. She has to leave in 3 days for Iowa, cancel all her summer plans, because “I don’t know how long I’ll be gone, maybe 2 years if he does well.”

(first aired May 15, 2007).

Sigh.

Watched every episode first run and own the boxed set! Can’t wait for November.

451
Jebediah, RBG  Sep 26, 2016 • 11:19:00am

re: #62 Timothy Watson

Politico’s got some fucking balls implying ANY dishonesty on her part, about ANYTHING, when her opponent seems to actually be incapable of telling the truth about anything, much less himself. “Highest IQ,” “fittest candidate ever,” etc.

452
sagehen  Sep 26, 2016 • 11:35:59am

NYDN suggests some questions they’d like Donald to answer:

nydailynews.com

453
Dr. Lexus  Sep 26, 2016 • 11:49:01am

re: #417

Some people call it a kaiser blade. Mmhmm.

454
sagehen  Sep 26, 2016 • 11:53:34am

re: #410 freetoken

The Democrats also, with foreknowledge, nominated someone with significant baked-in negatives.

The Republicans had 17 contenders to choose from, including 9 governors and 5 senators (+ Carson, Fiorina and Trump).

The Democrats had a Maryland gov who’d been mayor of Baltimore (Baltimore was lead story on nightly news from before the first debate up through Super Tuesday), a Senator who’d been a Democrat for less than 5% of his time in office, two formers Senators who’d been Republican for most of their careers (Chaffee, Webb), and a law school prof whose only issue was Citizen’s United.

The Republicans had better options, lots of them. The Democrats didn’t.

455
Jebediah, RBG  Sep 26, 2016 • 11:54:01am

re: #117 Birth Control Works

sorry, all I got is
“Sorry about trumping on the floor.
Mean reporters made me do it.”

456
Eventual Carrion  Sep 26, 2016 • 12:00:40pm

re: #413 freetoken

Not so relevant in an election based on popularity.

Jackson Browne - Lives in the Balance

They sell us the President the same way
They sell us our clothes and our cars
They sell us every thing from youth to religion
The same time they sell us our wars
I want to know who the men in the shadows are
I want to hear somebody asking them why
They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are
But they’re never the ones to fight or to die


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Ten Sailors Missing After U.S. Warship, Tanker Collide Near Singapore SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Ten sailors are missing after a U.S. warship collided with an oil tanker east of Singapore before dawn on Monday, tearing a hole beneath the waterline and flooding compartments that include a crew sleeping area, the ...
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Why You Can’t Take a Flag to a National Cemetery Why You Can't Take a Flag to Arlington (or other national veteran cemeteries) Stars and Stripes, reprinting with permission an article from the Washington Post, explains why you cannot take a flag to Arlington National Cemetery (or any other ...
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Another Democrat Starting Trump Impeachment Process Come on guys, get behind the bill. All of us. we should get behind this bill as it emerges as fast as we attacked the BCA. Following Donald Trump’s equivocating of white supremacists and those who oppose them in ...
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How Militias Became the Private Police for White Supremacists Magazine Guns to a protest? Clubs? We can not tolerate anti American militias. The bloody weekend in Charlottesville that began with several hundred chanting white supremacists on a torch-lit march will long be remembered for the searing image of a ...
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Starting in 2018, Police Dogs Injured in the Line of Duty Can Be Transported by EMS to Veterinary Clinics ST. CLAIR COUNTY, IL – Ambulances are for people. It’s always been the law of the land. In Illinois, it'll soon be "almost always". Illinois Governor, Bruce Rauner, signed House Bill 2661, Tuesday. It will allow police dogs to ...
Birth Control Works
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The New War on Birth Control - Pacific Standard Although it wasn't clear at the time, the attack on Phillips marked the beginning of a new anti-contraception movement—conceived in the U.S., but unfolding in Africa, where women's frustrations with the dearth of safe, effective family planning options are ...
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M83 - Do It, Try It (David Wilson Video) M83 - Do It, Try It video by David Wilson. Following the video's premiere at Sundance Next Fest it is now available to watch online. The track is taken from M83's seventh studio album Junk, available to buy & ...
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Marvel’s the Defenders It’s all coming together. Learn about The Defenders from the stars themselves: Charlie Cox, Krysten Ritter, Mike Colter and Finn Jones. Marvel’s The Defenders premieres globally August 18, 2017, only on Netflix. Watch The Defenders on Netflix: netflix.com SUBSCRIBE: ...
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