And Now, the Great Tommy Emmanuel Live: “The Mystery”

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Live! At The Ryman was recorded live at the historic Ryman Auditorium in Nashville, TN on 27 February 2016, except “Eva Waits” which was recorded on 8 December 2016 at the Big Room in Chico, CA.

This is a genuine “had to be there”…no fix ups…no frills recording. Each of my guitars has pickups and microphones that are included when you buy them, so the sound you hear from this recording is exactly as it sounds in the hall. Grab the new album Live! at the Ryman here wmbg.lnk.to

Credits are:
Camera Operators:
James Southard
Amanda Young
Jaime Lewis
Jeremy Dylan

Editor:
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All songs produced by Tommy Emmanuel
Executive Producer Brian Penix
Live Audio by Stephen Law
All songs recorded and Mixed by Brad Benge except Eva Waits, recorded and mixed by Marc De Sisto
All songs mastered by Marc De Sisto in Luke’s Room Studio, LA

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 9:56:45pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:02:52pm

Protest still in progress. Many people dispersed, but violence is still likely.
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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:04:22pm
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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:09:35pm

oooH! :( i didn’t see this pic yesterday

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:19:14pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:19:44pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:22:56pm

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹

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No. Next stupid question?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:23:14pm

From the last thread:

re: #125 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Some of them are calling to burn all Liberal cities. These people are nuts. A threat to civilization.

And the cities are the engine of the economy of our nation. For most of my life it seems that more reactionary conservatives wouldn’t care how much they damaged themselves or their families, as long as they can stick it to a liberal.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:25:22pm

Is this what you are watching thru the periscope?

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:26:13pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:27:55pm
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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:28:01pm
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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:30:12pm

Then ask how long u could be polite and nice and coy and demure and never, ever, ever mean if it were 24hours a day? you would want birth control, trust me.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:32:21pm

your Cuban Tyrant friends?

WTF

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:34:13pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:35:54pm

re: #2 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Protest still in progress. Many people dispersed, but violence is still likely.
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Arrests starting

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whitebeach  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:36:26pm

How damn hard is it to see that the president of the United States is an egomaniac, a lunatic, a dangerous madman, and that his family is a collection of corrupt and vapid Eurotrash and Americrud? When will the freakin press stand up and say not only that the emperor has no clothes but that his dick is the size of a peanut?

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:42:15pm

re: #4 Birth Control Works

oooH! :( i didn’t see this pic yesterday

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Yeah, the CO’s command days are done. Likewise anybody on-watch who should have seen a 40,000t ship bearing down on them can kiss their careers goodbye.

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Kragar  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:42:40pm
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piratedan  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:45:39pm

re: #19 Kragar

nice of Handel to illustrate what her core set of beliefs really are… perhaps that will help make a difference in making sure she loses.

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whitebeach  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:46:22pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

Yeah, the CO’s command days are done. Likewise anybody on-watch who should have seen a 40,000t ship bearing down on them can kiss their careers goodbye.

Hard to say. Funny stuff happens. JFK managed to get his PT boat run over and sunk by exactly the kind of destroyer he was supposed to be hunting and killing, and the right kind of pricey PR made him a hero.

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:46:40pm

Retweeted by Jonah “Doughy Pantload” Goldberg.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:47:28pm

re: #17 whitebeach

How damn hard is it to see that the president of the United States is an egomaniac, a lunatic, a dangerous madman, and that his family is a collection of corrupt and vapid Eurotrash and Americrud? When will the freakin press stand up and say not only that the emperor has no clothes but that his dick is the size of a peanut?

A friend reported that a young cousin of hers posted on Facebook that after Trump serves 8 years, he will be recognized as one of the greatest Presidents of this nation. His supporters are like cult followers. They are brainwashed to see the invisible clothes. And the media is complicit in his rise to power.

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:50:08pm

Jonah Goldberg is a pernicious sleaze. He claims to be a ‘NeverTrumper’ yet is ready to defend Fuckface Von Clownstick on any slight merit. He won’t admit it in public but he’s happier than pigs in shit that FVC is president.

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piratedan  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:50:56pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

yeah… the sad part is… not a damn thing that Colbert said is likely to be untrue, the GOP health care bill will indeed kill off loads of poor people, old people and everyday people just so others can get a tax cut. Which is more heinous? The comedian for pointing it out or the legislators working in “secret” crafting this abomination of a law without input from the people its likely to effect?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 10:55:37pm

re: #17 whitebeach

How damn hard is it to see that the president of the United States is an egomaniac, a lunatic, a dangerous madman, and that his family is a collection of corrupt and vapid Eurotrash and Americrud? When will the freakin press stand up and say not only that the emperor has no clothes but that his dick is the size of a peanut?

They’ll turn on Tweetler right after he kills the ACA, Medicare, Social Security and he signs off on those big juicy tax cuts for Wall Street.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:01:21pm

re: #21 whitebeach

Hard to say. Funny stuff happens. JFK managed to get his PT boat run over and sunk by exactly the kind of destroyer he was supposed to be hunting and killing, and the right kind of pricey PR made him a hero.

There’s a rather distinct difference between running silent and getting run over by an enemy destroyer in war-time and having a dry-goods carrier come down on your head in peace-time. An Arleigh Burke-class destroyer has sensors and navigational aids that should have clued her in that she was about to get t-boned. Short of a total systems failure that rendered her blind, deaf, and dumb as a post, there’s no excuse for missing 40,000 tons of unstoppable force bearing down on you.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:31:28pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

There’s a rather distinct difference between running silent and getting run over by an enemy destroyer in war-time and having a dry-goods carrier come down on your head in peace-time. An Arleigh Burke-class destroyer has sensors and navigational aids that should have clued her in that she was about to get t-boned. Short of a total systems failure that rendered her blind, deaf, and dumb as a post, there’s no excuse for missing 40,000 tons of unstoppable force bearing down on you.

Well, there are other reasons (for example, if the commercial ship had turned into the Navy ship). From the audio, it appears the Navy vessel was making five knots. Getting up to speed or whatnot takes a couple minutes. A destroyer isn’t exactly a quick turning vessel either (well, in relation to a sailboat).

Despite all the sensors and such, that is also why they use watches on a vessel. I imagine the Navy is pouring over all the information they have to find out who screwed up and when (if there was a screw up).

If the Navy vessel was where it was supposed to be in the shipping lane and the commercial vessel wasn’t, the blame will still fall on the commercial shipping company (which wouldn’t necessarily absolve folk on the Navy vessel).

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:42:12pm

re: #21 whitebeach

Hard to say. Funny stuff happens. JFK managed to get his PT boat run over and sunk by exactly the kind of destroyer he was supposed to be hunting and killing, and the right kind of pricey PR made him a hero.

This is a rather unfair comparison, PT-109 was fogbound with zero visibility running silent during wartime without radar. An Arleigh Burke destroyer like the Fitzgerald can track over 100 targets simultaneously and engage them over the horizon, for it to get hit by a cargo tanker during normal peacetime operations is just barely less pathetic than running aground.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2017 • 11:44:52pm

re: #28 Anymouse 🌹

Well, there are other reasons (for example, if the commercial ship had turned into the Navy ship). From the audio, it appears the Navy vessel was making five knots. Getting up to speed or whatnot takes a couple minutes. A destroyer isn’t exactly a quick turning vessel either (well, in relation to a sailboat).

Despite all the sensors and such, that is also why they use watches on a vessel. I imagine the Navy is pouring over all the information they have to find out who screwed up and when (if there was a screw up).

If the Navy vessel was where it was supposed to be in the shipping lane and the commercial vessel wasn’t, the blame will still fall on the commercial shipping company (which wouldn’t necessarily absolve folk on the Navy vessel).

There’s a reason that naval tradition is that a ship’s captain is ultimately responsible for the conduct of those under his command. Even if the Crystal was miles outside of its lane, the Fitzgerald should have seen it coming with enough warning to get up to speed or ping the Crystal’s radio transponder and contact them. An Arleigh Burke-class destroyer is equipped with radar, sonar, and SIGINT that should have seen the Crystal coming from 200 nautical miles away. It was the job of her crew to keep her out of the path of the Crystal and they failed. Whatever the ultimate reason for that turns out to be, the CO’s ass is cooked and he’ll be lucky if his superiors are satisfied with that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:10:15am

re: #29 goddamnedfrank

This is a rather unfair comparison, PT-109 was fogbound with zero visibility running silent during wartime without radar. An Arleigh Burke destroyer like the Fitzgerald can track over 100 targets simultaneously and engage them over the horizon, for it to get hit by a cargo tanker during normal peacetime operations is just barely less pathetic than running aground.

However in the Straits of Hormuz, would they be running their radar systems like that? I don’t know either the Navy’s protocols or shipping protocols for that. Plus, they would be right next to Iran, where they might not want to give up signals intelligence to the Iranians.

Hence, the idea the Navy will look at all this.

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Targetpractice  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:12:39am

re: #31 Anymouse 🌹

However in the Straits of Hormuz, would they be running their radar systems like that? I don’t know either the Navy’s protocols or shipping protocols for that. Plus, they would be right next to Iran, where they might not want to give up signals intelligence to the Iranians.

Hence, the idea the Navy will look at all this.

Where’d you get the Straits of Hormuz from? This collision happened out off the coast of Japan.

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sagehen  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:12:55am

re: #28 Anymouse 🌹

If the Navy vessel was where it was supposed to be in the shipping lane and the commercial vessel wasn’t, the blame will still fall on the commercial shipping company (which wouldn’t necessarily absolve folk on the Navy vessel).

And regardless of how it happened and whose fault it was… if we had a proper functioning government, there would be a Secretary of the Navy and an Ambassador to Japan to do all the crisis management crap that immediately needs doing. Instead of leaving it in the hands of an interim assistant undersecretary 3 layers down on the organizational chart, who probably doesn’t have the experience and training to do it right, who might not even have the authority.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:21:22am

reuters.com

Well, on that Russian and Iranian sanctions bill that passed the Senate (with amendments affirming our commitment to NATO and permission for NASA to continue to buy rocket engines from Russia), the vote was 98-2.

The Two? Sen Rand Paul (R-Ky) and Sen Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

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Targetpractice  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:24:57am

re: #34 Anymouse 🌹

reuters.com

Well, on that Russian and Iranian sanctions bill that passed the Senate (with amendments affirming our commitment to NATO and permission for NASA to continue to buy rocket engines from Russia), the vote was 98-2.

The Two? Sen Rand Paul (R-Ky) and Sen Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

Apparently the GOP rolled Russian and Iranian sanctions into one bill, which is the reason for Sanders’ opposition.

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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:26:04am

This Tommy Emmanuel song is beyond beautiful. Serene. Ethereal?

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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:45:09am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:45:56am

re: #35 Targetpractice

Apparently the GOP rolled Russian and Iranian sanctions into one bill, which is the reason for Sanders’ opposition.

My understanding is the bill has a rocky future in the House. And Russian sanctions if they got to Trump’s desk would likely cause him to blow a gasket. (That might be where some of the House opposition comes from, but I don’t know. Those guys in the GOP caucus can’t agree on a lunch date.)

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Targetpractice  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:47:44am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:57:15am

It turns out that “chocolate milk from brown cows” comes from an on-line poll. My guess is the troll factor on that poll went way up from such a dingbat question.

Everyone knows that chocolate milk comes from mixing the milk of brown and white cows. Straight from a brown cow you get chocolate sauce.

And you make chocolate milk by adding cocoa powder to cattle feed. That’s why we import so much cocoa on the High Plains. /s

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:06:48am
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Ace-o-aces  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:09:41am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:11:13am
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Targetpractice  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:16:38am

re: #43 Anymouse 🌹

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Which version of events are they planning to go off of? The bullshit that Wilson told to the grand jury to get away with murder? Or his admissions in the civil case that totally contradict the “official” version of events?

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:24:51am

Looks like the Fitzgerald has a lot of warped and buckled hull framing. It may end up being a constructive total loss.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:25:15am

re: #40 Anymouse 🌹

It turns out that “chocolate milk from brown cows” comes from an on-line poll. My guess is the troll factor on that poll went way up from such a dingbat question.

Everyone knows that chocolate milk comes from mixing the milk of brown and white cows. Straight from a brown cow you get chocolate sauce.

And you make chocolate milk by adding cocoa powder to cattle feed. That’s why we import so much cocoa on the High Plains. /s

So how do you explain strawberry milk? I know it’s not from pink cows.

Here in the China we have peanut milk. Do you know how hard it is to milk peanuts?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:26:03am

Thread dragging Ivanka Trump. The link she provides at bitly doesn’t work now (apparently she took her article down), but an Internet archive preserves it:

archive.fo

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:27:22am

re: #46 wheat-dogg

So how do you explain strawberry milk? I know it’s not from pink cows.

Here in the China we have peanut milk. Do you know how hard it is to milk peanuts?

That’s easy, feed Red Angus cows strawberries.

I’ve milked cows but never tried my hands at milking a peanut. Perhaps President Carter can give lessons.

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Targetpractice  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:29:38am

re: #45 Shiplord Kirel

Looks like the Fitzgerald has a lot of warped and buckled hull framing. It may end up being a constructive total loss.

Somebody’s ass is definitely gonna be a sling for this. Like I said above, the CO’s days as a command officer are effectively over. At this point, the question becomes how many other officers will be going down with him.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:34:23am

Wonkette dragging all the fetching and stepping on Republican senators dodging what their wealthcare plan doesn’t do, including the fact they still don’t have one. John McCain was the worst of the bunch, continually pivoting to “they’re trying to get to fifty-one votes” on something.

The thing that might save us is all these guys are incompetent.

wonkette.com

(with quotes from the various senators on the fact they have no bill so they’re dodging on why they think this is good for the USA. Lisa Murkowski is even frustrated with the answers coming from her party.)

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fern01  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:36:54am

Looking at the photo below of Trump walking from Marine One to the White House - he looks physically & mentally exhausted. President Obama - regardless of how far & for how long he had traveled always looked fit, healthy & cheerful - usually with a smile for the photographers.

How I miss President Obama - he made the world such a nicer, safer place.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:38:56am

re: #51 fern01

Looking at the photo below of Trump walking from Marine One to the White House - he looks physically & mentally exhausted. President Obama - regardless of how far & for how long he had traveled always looked fit, healthy & cheerful - usually with a smile for the photographers.

How I miss President Obama - he made the world such a nicer, safer place.

Trump spends his waking hours being pissed at the world for not recognizing how Great he is. Plus, he’s probably very scared that his neat little bubble world is about to be upended.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:42:50am

re: #49 Targetpractice

Somebody’s ass is definitely gonna be a sling for this. Like I said above, the CO’s days as a command officer are effectively over. At this point, the question becomes how many other officers will be going down with him.

The CO is Cmdr. Bryce Benson, Wisconsin native and graduate of Marquette University. That he was injured makes it likely that he was on the bridge rather than asleep in his cabin. He will recover but, all things considered, he may not want to. heavy.com

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:45:17am

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel

Hmmmm………..I’d say David Icke fans would give Jones’ fan a run for their money.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:46:55am

re: #54 Dr Lizardo

Hmmmm………..I’d say David Icke fans would give Jones’ fan a run for their money.

Wrong link. While we’re at it though, the 2 groups do overlap quite a bit.

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fern01  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:50:01am

re: #52 wheat-dogg

Trump spends his waking hours being pissed at the world for not recognizing how Great he is. Plus, he’s probably very scared that his neat little bubble world is about to be upended.

I would love to see that upending - so hope you are correct.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:55:01am

re: #55 Shiplord Kirel

Wrong link. While we’re at it though, the 2 groups do overlap quite a bit.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all. Vast meta-conspiracies, etc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:55:14am

re: #21 whitebeach

Hard to say. Funny stuff happens. JFK managed to get his PT boat run over and sunk by exactly the kind of destroyer he was supposed to be hunting and killing, and the right kind of pricey PR made him a hero.

Big difference between a combat situation and a peacetime encounter.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:56:47am

re: #25 piratedan

yeah… the sad part is… not a damn thing that Colbert said is likely to be untrue, the GOP health care bill will indeed kill off loads of poor people, old people and everyday people just so others can get a tax cut. Which is more heinous? The comedian for pointing it out or the legislators working in “secret” crafting this abomination of a law without input from the people its likely to effect?

There was an old Soviet joke about the fellow who got eleven years for calling Chairman Brezhnev an idiot: one year for insulting Soviet authority and ten years for revealing state secrets.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:59:27am

re: #46 wheat-dogg

So how do you explain strawberry milk? I know it’s not from pink cows.

Here in the China we have peanut milk. Do you know how hard it is to milk peanuts?

or almonds - or soybeans…

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Weaselone  Jun 17, 2017 • 4:02:52am

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹

Thread dragging Ivanka Trump. The link she provides at bitly doesn’t work now (apparently she took her article down), but an Internet archive preserves it:

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archive.fo

1. Have wealthy enough parents who are willing to cover room and board while you intern
2. Have family, or close family friends near your internship who are willing to provide room and board
3. If the internship has some schedule flexibility, not a lot of demand on time during off hours and is willing to accommodate it, and you can find one, you can work an actual paying job while interning. This will make it harder to get the most you can from your internship and probably hurt networking.

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John Carter  Jun 17, 2017 • 4:35:27am

re: #4 Birth Control Works

oooH! :( i didn’t see this pic yesterday

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Gordon Lightfoot should write a song about this. Or if there are no fatalities Weird Al.

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freetoken  Jun 17, 2017 • 4:40:35am

Turkeys are having a fine morning:

Turkey Barn at Farm Sanctuary powered by EXPLORE.org

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caseyjr  Jun 17, 2017 • 4:45:03am

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel

The CO is Cmdr. Bryce Benson, Wisconsin native and graduate of Marquette University. That he was injured makes it likely that he was on the bridge rather than asleep in his cabin. He will recover but, all things considered, he may not want to. heavy.com

The Cmdr. just needs to lawyer up and screech “Witch Hunt” every day.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 17, 2017 • 4:47:27am

I prefer smaller breasts.
//

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freetoken  Jun 17, 2017 • 4:50:53am

Well then, the hummingbirds too are having a fine morn:

West Texas Hummingbird Cam, Sponsored by Perky-Pet

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wheat-dogg  Jun 17, 2017 • 4:51:16am

re: #63 freetoken

Turkeys are having a fine morning:

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Sure, they’re having fun now, but wait until November rolls around.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 17, 2017 • 4:51:25am

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel

The CO is Cmdr. Bryce Benson, Wisconsin native and graduate of Marquette University. That he was injured makes it likely that he was on the bridge rather than asleep in his cabin. He will recover but, all things considered, he may not want to. heavy.com

The Hannity’s of the world would be blaming Obama and “political correctness” if this happened under his watch.

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freetoken  Jun 17, 2017 • 5:23:15am

How a Brit sees his recent election, and America:

The Choice Was Real

[…]

Powerful elected city mayors have become a part of the political landscape. Sadiq Khan was an important figure in this election and so was Andy Burnham. The two terrorist attacks happened to take place in cities with Labour mayors and both acquitted themselves well. Trump’s ludicrous attacks on Khan and May’s half-hearted defence of him may have fuelled anti-American sentiment among some Labour voters. But Khan’s enhanced standing is still part of the Americanisation of British politics. London and Manchester are, more than ever, solidly Labour cities and represent independent power bases for ambitious national politicians. The same is true of Scotland, which has provided a platform for Ruth Davidson to assert her authority against the Tory leadership without even having to stand for Parliament. The return of national politics in Britain has not made regional differences less important. One huge headache for the Conservative Party is how to reconcile Davidson’s liberal wing with the ideas of their new friends in the DUP. There are cultural divides here that echo the sound and fury of politics across the Atlantic. With the DUP set to prop up the government, we will have to reckon with attitudes to abortion becoming a faultline in British politics. The DUP also bring creationism and climate denial to the table. What could be more American than that?

[…]

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freetoken  Jun 17, 2017 • 5:24:44am

Heh, I just realized that today is 6/17/17 .

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A Mom Anon  Jun 17, 2017 • 5:36:26am

re: #61 Weaselone

Why would ANYONE listen to this pampered little princess? I don’t think she’s a complete drooling idiot, but is there not one brain cell of hers that understands that you have to have an actual paycheck in order to afford luxuries like FOOD?? Not everyone has a supportive, let alone rich, family to help them while they find their way. I guess people like us mere mortals are supposed to forage out of the dumpster at Trump Tower or wait til her groundskeeper hauls the trash down to the curb for pickup.

This crap is what fuels resentment.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 17, 2017 • 5:40:32am

re: #70 freetoken

Heh, I just realized that today is 6/17/17 .

Is that the combination to your luggage?

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 5:41:44am

re: #72 Dr. Matt

Is that the combination to your luggage?

Frees up the Permissive Action Links.

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jeffreyw  Jun 17, 2017 • 5:46:56am

Imgur
Good morning!

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freetoken  Jun 17, 2017 • 5:52:05am

re: #72 Dr. Matt

Is that the combination to your luggage?

No.

It’s just something I noticed.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 5:52:24am

re: #74 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Doesn’t look like part of a healthy breakfast.

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jaunte  Jun 17, 2017 • 5:58:14am
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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 17, 2017 • 5:59:49am

re: #72 Dr. Matt

Is that the combination to your luggage?

Spaceballs Luggage Password

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jeffreyw  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:00:22am

re: #76 Decatur Deb

Doesn’t look like part of a healthy breakfast.

I would think any lizard would relish it as an example of the confectioner’s art.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:04:16am

re: #23 Hecuba’s daughter

A friend reported that a young cousin of hers posted on Facebook that after Trump serves 8 years, he will be recognized as one of the greatest Presidents of this nation. His supporters are like cult followers. They are brainwashed to see the invisible clothes. And the media is complicit in his rise to power.

My father once had a conversation with a German WW2 veteran who noted that the same thing would have been said about Hitler if it wasn’t for the whole “starting a war” thing.

I’ve said before, if the Republic survives another three decades, we’re going to have to push back against these kids re-writing history or at the very least, trying to make Trump look normal. “Oh he wasn’t so bad…”

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fern01  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:09:27am

re: #80 Pawn of the Oppressor

My father once had a conversation with a German WW2 veteran who noted that the same thing would have been said about Hitler if it wasn’t for the whole “starting a war” thing.

I’ve said before, if the Republic survives another three decades, we’re going to have to push back against these kids re-writing history or at the very least, trying to make Trump look normal. “Oh he wasn’t so bad…”

Trump is making GWB look good - someone could come along in 30 years & do the same for Trump (and what a nightmare that would be for the next generation).

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:10:36am

re: #80 Pawn of the Oppressor

My father once had a conversation with a German WW2 veteran who noted that the same thing would have been said about Hitler if it wasn’t for the whole “starting a war” thing.

I’ve said before, if the Republic survives another three decades, we’re going to have to push back against these kids re-writing history or at the very least, trying to make Trump look normal. “Oh he wasn’t so bad…”

In The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, William Shirer noted that had Hitler stopped after the German victory in France, he probably would’ve gone down in history as one of the greatest adventurer/conquerors of all time.

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DanielKi  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:12:16am

re: #69 freetoken

How a Brit sees his recent election, and America:

The Choice Was Real

Still misses the elephant in the room: Neither the Tories nor Labour have any coherent Brexit strategy to speak of. They are just kicking the can down the road, to the detriment of the country.

Talks start on Monday. Lord Buckethead was right; this is a shit show.

This analysis, which was written about a year ago, has aged very well even past the recent election:
The answer to the Brexit Paradox is…The EU

Contrary to the doubts many people seem to have about this, I’m pretty sure article 50 can be revoked and that the EU would be more than happy to do just that at any time before the 2-year countdown ends. The question is, is there anyone in UK politics brave enough to do just that and be willing to absorb the blame?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:12:19am

re: #82 Dr Lizardo

In The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, William Shirer noted that had Hitler stopped after the German victory in France, he probably would’ve gone down in history as one of the greatest adventurer/conquerors of all time.

It’s like that line in Dark Knight, Live long enough be a hero or die a villain. Marshal Petain is someone I think that would apply to curiously enough since you brought up the invasion of France.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:15:04am

I don’t see Trump’s legacy improving with time but the GOP could always nominate someone even worse than him. The GOP seems determined IMO to devolve even worse and I expect by my 40’s, they’ll be closer to what the BNP, Viaams Belang, & the French NF are now. They’re already well on their way. Trump is the GOP base’s point of no return. You saw it Tuesday in the GOP primaries here in VA when Corey Stewart nearly became the nominee.

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DanielKi  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:16:57am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

I expect by my 40’s, they’ll be closer to what the BNP, Viaams Belang, & the French NF are now. They’re already well on their way.

Aren’t they pretty much on par with the National Front already?

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freetoken  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:19:08am

re: #83 DanielKi

Sometimes it takes a while for the chickens to find their roost.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:19:17am

re: #86 DanielKi

Aren’t they pretty much on par with the National Front already?

True but I think more explicit.

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freetoken  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:26:15am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

The Trumpers are still in awe of Trump.

Has the GOP gone too far with Trump? Not according to the Trumpers.

I guess at my age I’ve concluded that things can go on for a lot longer than I had expected when I was younger.

As a nation-state we can probably bumble along for quite some time. We can probably make an argument that with the election of Reagan the US started down an atavistic path that has not been reversed. At best Obama was a pause. But as we see with the new new Cuba policy, what Obama hath done Trump can undo.

Same with the Paris accord.

This was the problem with Obama’s 8 years - too much of the positive change was only a surface paint of executive privilege. The reason the ACA has been so hard to undo is because it is an actual law, not an executive decision.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:28:11am

re: #89 freetoken

The Trumpers are still in awe of Trump.

Has the GOP gone too far with Trump? Not according to the Trumpers.

I guess at my age I’ve concluded that things can go on for a lot longer than I had expected when I was younger.

As a nation-state we can probably bumble along for quite some time. We can probably make an argument that with the election of Reagan the US started down an atavistic path that has not been reversed. At best Obama was a pause. But as we see with the new new Cuba policy, what Obama hath done Trump can undo.

Same with the Paris accord.

This was the problem with Obama’s 8 years - too much of the positive change was only a surface paint of executive privilege. The reason the ACA has been so hard to undo is because it is an actual law, not an executive decision.

I suspect Obama knowing that the GOP would try to erase a lot of his legacy attempted to codify a lot of his change into law via legislation rather than EOs. I’ll agree with you that the start of this begins with Reagan.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:28:54am

As long as the GOP base supports Trump, the GOP Congressional members won’t do a damn thing. They know that they’re less popular than Trump is with their base and they know that they can be primaried.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:29:48am

In short, funnily enough a lot of what DF used to talk about how they had to act this way so their base wouldn’t throw them out is true but the difference is i’m an outspoken opponent of the GOP and find this to be the greatest act of political cowardice.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:29:49am

re: #71 A Mom Anon

Why would ANYONE listen to this pampered little princess? I don’t think she’s a complete drooling idiot, but is there not one brain cell of hers that understands that you have to have an actual paycheck in order to afford luxuries like FOOD?? Not everyone has a supportive, let alone rich, family to help them while they find their way. I guess people like us mere mortals are supposed to forage out of the dumpster at Trump Tower or wait til her groundskeeper hauls the trash down to the curb for pickup.

This crap is what fuels resentment.

Answer—Millions of people have been brainwashed by the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine to believe that they are just one Powerball or Mega Millions jackpot from Easy Street.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:33:22am

re: #90 HappyWarrior

I suspect Obama knowing that the GOP would try to erase a lot of his legacy attempted to codify a lot of his change into law via legislation rather than EOs. I’ll agree with you that the start of this begins with Reagan.

Happy it goes back first to Goldwater, then Nixon with a major assist from George Wallace. Wallace split the Democratic Party and gladly led the Southen and Northern ethnic white men away from the Democrats and into Nixon’s arms by playing the race card. As LBJ said…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:34:10am

re: #94 Joe Bacon

Happy it goes back first to Goldwater, then Nixon with a major assist from George Wallace. Wallace split the Democratic Party and gladly led the Southen and Northern ethnic white men away from the Democrats and into Nixon’s arms by playing the race card. As LBJ said…

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True that. And man was LBJ prophetic.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:36:05am

I think LBJ as a native Southerner and someone who I think understood politics and people better than anyone else in office the past 50 years knew exactly what was going to happen. I think where LBJ might be surprised though is that this still carries on in the South. The Virginia GOP is going to eventually nominate someone like Corey Stewart or will for higher office. The people who want this kind of thing are their most strident voters.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:38:28am

re: #95 HappyWarrior

True that. And man was LBJ prophetic.

Happy, if you could listen in to callers that my coworkers and I deal with every day at Social Security’s 800#, you’d realize that LBJ was telling the truth. It is absolutely shocking to hear a significant chunk of whites on Social Security and especially on Supplemental Security Income yell and scream about how colored folks get everything and goof off all day. Oh, and they love to ask when President Trump will kick them Mexicans off of welfare. And them queers, too.

In the background while they’re letting their racism flow like the dam is broke you will hear Fox News, Right Wing Preachers or Rush and his Hate Radio pals…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 6:48:20am

re: #97 Joe Bacon

Happy, if you could listen in to callers that my coworkers and I deal with every day at Social Security’s 800#, you’d realize that LBJ was telling the truth. It is absolutely shocking to hear a significant chunk of whites on Social Security and especially on Supplemental Security Income yell and scream about how colored folks get everything and goof off all day. Oh, and they love to ask when President Trump will kick them Mexicans off of welfare. And them queers, too.

In the background while they’re letting their racism flow like the dam is broke you will hear Fox News, Right Wing Preachers or Rush and his Hate Radio pals…

I believe it. To me, I think as you say things started changing around LBJ because too many whites realized they would have to share aka pay taxes for minorities to benefit from the same programs they did. Despite what people like Bernie Sanders say, that’s why we started losing a lot of the white working class. There’s always been people that were against those programs but the hostility to them among the masses didn’t really start until LBJ through the Great Society stated that all Americans regardless of skin color should be able to benefit from them without discrimination and man Nixon and later Reagan and now Trump perfected that resentment.

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freetoken  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:05:09am

When you’re big enough to look out the door, but not big enough to fly:

Falcon Camera Inside

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:06:25am

Obama could have been held up by conservatives as an example that the American Dream really works: any American, regardless of social or ethnic background, who works hard enough can rise to the highest office in the land.

But that would have involved acknowledging Obama’s accomplishments, however begrudgingly, and that was just too much for most conservatives…

Instead, he was a Manchurian candidate, a Kenyan Muslim, rabble-rousing, Alinsky-addled community activist and a coddled affirmative action child…but not a highly educated constitutional scholar and former editor of the Harvard Law Review.

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darthstar  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:06:32am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:08:34am
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darthstar  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:09:21am

Replaced my water heater yesterday. Set it at C - under Max (Low,A,B,C, Max)…once it was up and running turned it back down to B…C is the temp you use when you want to scald the crap out of someone.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:13:39am

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Damn, Amash pretty much said what I would have.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:14:01am

re: #100 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Obama could have been held up by conservatives as an example that the American Dream really works: any American, regardless of social or ethnic background, who works hard enough can rise to the highest office in the land.

But that would have involved acknowledging Obama’s accomplishments, however begrudgingly, and that was just too much for most conservatives…

Instead, he was a Manchurian candidate, a Kenyan Muslim, rabble-rousing, Alinsky-addled community activist and a coddled affirmative action child…but not a highly educated constitutional scholar and former editor of the Harvard Law Review.

Exactly.

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darthstar  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:14:38am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:14:51am

staff is tweeting for him:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:16:16am

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

staff is tweeting for him:

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You can tell. It’s very easy to tell when staff is writing for him.

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darthstar  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:17:59am

So it was a strategic tweet after all.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:24:20am

Just in: a mistrial has been declared in the Bill Cosby case.

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freetoken  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:25:46am

re: #110 Dr Lizardo

Sigh…

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Jay C  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:26:16am

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #104 HappyWarrior

I’d be more impressed if Justin Amash (or any Congressional Republicans) actually DID something outside of huffy Tweeting to affect Trump’s idiotic policy changes - especially as far as Cuba is concerned - but I won’t hold my breath. Given the choice between pandering to the Florida Cuban Lobby for a few votes, and rational policy decisions, it’s a safe bet which one the GOPers* will choose.

*except for those few “designated mavericks” like Amash.

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freetoken  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:26:44am

But we’re living in a world where a man who openly brags about assaulting women gets elected President, even declared Jesus’ own choice.

So we ought to expect this kind of stuff.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:26:55am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:28:15am

Mistrial declared in the Bill Cosby trial.

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jaunte  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:35:53am
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:41:28am
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darthstar  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:41:51am

re: #110 Dr Lizardo

Just in: a mistrial has been declared in the Bill Cosby case.

Yeah…they say they’re going to try again though.

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darthstar  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:45:27am
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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:46:35am

re: #119 darthstar

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Funny enough. What is the tweeter’s track record?

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:47:15am

re: #120 Decatur Deb

Funny enough. What is the tweeter’s track record?

Claude Taylor? He’s sort of a nut.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:48:32am

re: #121 Dr Lizardo

Claude Taylor? He’s sort of a nut.

Twitter should establish a blue/red “nut” certification tag.

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darthstar  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:54:18am

re: #120 Decatur Deb

Funny enough. What is the tweeter’s track record?

His name is true facts stated…true….facts… And actually, I didn’t even notice he was the OT (that’s gangsta for original tweeter I’ve learned)

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darthstar  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:57:51am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2017 • 7:59:28am

re: #124 darthstar

Sounds sorta like a Zen koan.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 17, 2017 • 8:05:40am
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Jay C  Jun 17, 2017 • 8:11:51am

re: #117 FormerDirtDart

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Apparently, the Grenfell Tower Fire has caused another firestorm- of protest - in London: people are seriously pissed off at the “authorities”: both for the issues that caused the fire in the first place, and for what they see as inadequate responses afterward.

Mrs. May is fortunate (if that word can be applied) that the fire didn’t happen before the election: David Cameron’s idiotic comments about “killing the health and safety culture” are being given unfortunate (for the Tories) amounts of publicity, and, more ominously for May, her reactions to the fire are getting the gold-standard comparison for official neglect:

“Looks bad, shades of Bush after Katrina,”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2017 • 8:17:33am

re: #127 Jay C

I understand the criticism, but comparing Grenfell to Katrina may be a bit much.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 17, 2017 • 8:21:39am

re: #127 Jay C

re: #128 Eclectic Cyborg

Surely a poor comparison by scale. But otherwise not bad. Official neglect at multiple levels, a certain flavor of clue-lessness in the immediate aftermath.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 8:24:30am

re: #125 Dr Lizardo

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Sounds sorta like a Zen koan.

Something involving a duck flip.

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freetoken  Jun 17, 2017 • 8:33:59am

Did someone say “duck”?

1,000+ Ducklings Live Stream 24/7

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 8:39:53am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

I don’t see Trump’s legacy improving with time but the GOP could always nominate someone even worse than him. The GOP seems determined IMO to devolve even worse and I expect by my 40’s, they’ll be closer to what the BNP, Viaams Belang, & the French NF are now. They’re already well on their way. Trump is the GOP base’s point of no return. You saw it Tuesday in the GOP primaries here in VA when Corey Stewart nearly became the nominee.

I guess I am fortunate that I am nearly sixty then.

On the other hand, my son is not. I would prefer he not have to deal with that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 8:41:12am

re: #32 Targetpractice

Where’d you get the Straits of Hormuz from? This collision happened out off the coast of Japan.

I was looking at two news articles in open tabs. (I don’t often use tabs for that reason.)

I confused the two articles and put the ship in the Red Sea instead of off the coast of Japan. You know, all water looks alike anyway. /s

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Pineapple Pizza  Jun 17, 2017 • 8:43:43am

re: #126 Ace-o-aces

I’m so old I remember when conservatives were defending Shakespeare from the “snowflakes” of the left.
Back in December.

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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2017 • 8:46:47am

That tweet offers to ‘translate from Estonian.’

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 17, 2017 • 8:57:26am

re: #135 wrenchwench

“Translate from Estonian.” That look needs no translation.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 8:58:29am
The wild scene at Friday’s performance was captured in videos posted to Twitter, including one by the protester in the audience ― Jack Posobiec, a Trump fan and “Pizzagate” conspiracy theorist.

In last night’s storming of the stage at the Julius Caeser play, this wingnut was on hand to record it, yelling “You are all Nazis like Joseph Goebbels” ― a reference to Adolf Hitler’s minister of propaganda. “This is all Goebbels. You are inciting terrorists. Goebbels would be proud. You are Nazis.”

The woman who stormed it is from the sober and measured Canadian outlet Rebel Media, a woman named Laura Loomer.

They were both arrested for trespassing and disorderly conduct, to which Mr. Posobiec noted was a strange charge since it was a public park (the trespassing charge).

In the fine tradition of right-wing Wingnut Welfare, Ms. Loomer has set up a “legal defence fund” to get money from this.

huffingtonpost.com

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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2017 • 8:59:26am

re: #136 PhillyPretzel

“Translate from Estonian.” That look needs no translation.

You read ‘cat.’ Can you speak it?

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:01:07am

re: #138 wrenchwench

No. But I see enough of cats here at LGF and in my neighborhood to know when feline overlords are not happy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:02:09am

Left for your perusal:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:03:59am
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:04:56am

re: #141 Anymouse 🌹

He has had a few visits from the Secret Service. /half

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:05:00am

Ted Nugent literally telling Obama and Clinton to suck his gun, fine but heaven forbid that an old Shakespeare play have Trump as fill in for Julius Caesar and if they ever actually read the play, they’d see that the assassins aren’t exactly the “good guys”. But wingnuts will be forever outraged and need their safe places.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:05:51am

re: #141 Anymouse 🌹

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Yeah he can go fuck himself with one of his penis surrogates. Sorry Ted but fuck off. You’re the last person that should be lecturing anyone about violent rhetoric when you literally sound like a Nazi talking about people like me. So fuck off.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:06:13am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

Ted Nugent literally telling Obama and Clinton to suck his gun, fine but heaven forbid that an old Shakespeare play have Trump as fill in for Julius Caesar and if they ever actually read the play, they’d see that the assassins aren’t exactly the “good guys”. But wingnuts will be forever outraged and need their safe places.

Yup. And not a peep from conservatives (or liberals as I recall) when the play was put on during President Obama’s term, or for that matter during Geo. W. Bush’s term.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:06:43am

re: #142 PhillyPretzel

He has had a few visits from the Secret Service. /half

He’s the last person that should be lecturing anyone but I get it, Snowflake Ted can’t take it when Trump is criticism but he thinks he should be free to tell Clinton and Obama to suck his gun without any ramifications. He can fuck off.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:07:21am

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

staff is tweeting for him:

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“Japan wants money for helping with the ship thing. Will go against their bill - Need to pay up! MAGA”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:07:27am

re: #145 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. And not a peep from conservatives (or liberals as I recall) when the play was put on during President Obama’s term, or for that matter during Geo. W. Bush’s term.

Not just that but Romney and Trump both loved having Nugent as a surrogate for them when they were trying to pander to the gun nut crowd.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:07:39am

re: #144 HappyWarrior

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Pineapple Pizza  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:09:34am

re: #140 Anymouse 🌹

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:10:18am

Good thing we were able to save our post office here (the USPS was trying to close every post office forty miles to our east and sixty miles to our west), or I would be on the road mailing today’s water sample and last night’s state emergency paperwork drill.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:11:32am

Some days it gets really hard to keep any kind of positive outlook for the future of this country.

Between the Castile thing, and the Cosby thing, and the Julius Caesar thing, and the Senate GOP’s incredibly anti-American secrecy in drafting and preparing to pass a bill to take insurance away from the most vulnerable to give more money to the most privileged, and the apparent willingness of the GOP to accept any level of blatant corruption from Trump, just to hurt poor people and help those who need it least.

And then, so many times when you try to point out this entirely asymmetrical situation, you’re hit with ‘both sides do it’.

How do we win against this combination of cruelty and corruption in the face of the apathy and facile ‘plague on both your houses’ attitude of so many in the middle?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:13:16am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:13:33am

re: #135 wrenchwench

Got a Manx story for ya. Cinnamon got something sticky in her fur. She really hates water except her drinking fountain. So I grab a sponge, wet it and start cleaning the sticky off the fur. At first she is pissed and hissy at the water and the fuss. Then I see her realize what I’m doing and starts begging for more. Around the legs again and again, but with the longest loudest yowl ever. Until I start with the sponge again.

I haz cleen
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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:14:34am

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

Some days it gets really hard to keep any kind of positive outlook for the future of this country.

Between the Castile thing, and the Cosby thing, and the Julius Caesar thing, and the Senate GOP’s incredibly anti-American secrecy in drafting and preparing to pass a bill to take insurance away from the most vulnerable to give more money to the most privileged, and the apparent willingness of the GOP to accept any level of blatant corruption from Trump, just to hurt poor people and help those who need it least.

And then, so many times when you try to point out this entirely asymmetrical situation, you’re hit with ‘both sides do it’.

How do we win against this combination of cruelty and corruption in the face of the apathy and facile ‘plague on both your houses’ attitude of so many in the middle?

amazon.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:16:05am

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹

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Typical whiny right wing snowflake. Can dish it out but can’t take it. It’ll be a happy day when Breitbart is in the dust bin of history.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:16:54am

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

Some days it gets really hard to keep any kind of positive outlook for the future of this country.

Between the Castile thing, and the Cosby thing, and the Julius Caesar thing, and the Senate GOP’s incredibly anti-American secrecy in drafting and preparing to pass a bill to take insurance away from the most vulnerable to give more money to the most privileged, and the apparent willingness of the GOP to accept any level of blatant corruption from Trump, just to hurt poor people and help those who need it least.

And then, so many times when you try to point out this entirely asymmetrical situation, you’re hit with ‘both sides do it’.

How do we win against this combination of cruelty and corruption in the face of the apathy and facile ‘plague on both your houses’ attitude of so many in the middle?

Yep I see the “Both sides” shit a lot in a attempt to morally justify the right’s bullshit and it’s just such utter shit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:17:22am

re: #155 Decatur Deb

amazon.com

Oh, man! You’re saying I gotta READ SOMETHING?!?
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Teukka  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:17:28am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Typical whiny right wing snowflake. Can dish it out but can’t take it. It’ll be a happy day when Breitbart is in the dust bin of history.

I wonder, same dustbin as Der Stürmer or Völkische Beobachter?

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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:17:43am

re: #154 Unshaken Defiance

Got a Manx story for ya. Cinnamon got something sticky in her fur. She really hates water except her drinking fountain. So I grab a sponge, wet it and start cleaning the sticky off the fur. At first she is pissed and hissy at the water and the fuss. Then I see her realize what I’m doing and starts begging for more. Around the legs again and again, butt with the longest loudest yowl ever. Until I start with the sponge again.

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My two get baths tomorrow. Last time, I think one of them purred when I started foaming up the shampoo on his back. Then he looked around in embarrassment.

I have 8 more toenails to trim in preparation.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:18:31am

re: #159 Teukka

I wonder, same dustbin as Der Stürmer or Völkische Beobachter?

Der Stürmer has been resurrected by the White House as the VOICE telephone line.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:18:45am

re: #159 Teukka

I wonder, same dustbin as Der Stürmer or Völkische Beobachter?

Yes. And it’s really something for Alex to complain about the “Baby Goebells” crap after all the shit they wrote about the Obama Administration.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:21:48am

re: #157 HappyWarrior

Yep I see the “Both sides” shit a lot in a attempt to morally justify the right’s bullshit and it’s just such utter shit.

I got that crap from my Michigan cousin justifying her vote for Dr. Jill Stein.

Have Democrats screwed up legislation? Sure. Have they gone out of their way in the last hundred years or so to stick it to everyone who is not a multi-millionaire?

She hasn’t talked to me since a few days after the election, when I let her have it over the GOP’s militarism around the world.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:23:51am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:24:58am

I think both sidesism is an attempt by people to try to appear above partisan politics when it really just makes them look ignorant.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:25:42am

That’s not to say I don’t think the Dems are without flaws or fault but their flaws/faults are minor compared to the GOP’s.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:26:52am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Typical whiny right wing snowflake. Can dish it out but can’t take it. It’ll be a happy day when Breitbart is in the dust bin of history.

This is the problem I have - the asymmetry is pretty goddam obvious, but it’s SO EASY to just fall back on “both sides do it!” There was a tweet this week that just about made my head explode. Someone was describing the secrecy involved in McConnell’s healthcare push - no hearings, no debate, planning to ram it through on a simple majority vote.

Someone tweeted that this is exactly what the GOP said the Democrats did, completely ignoring the REALITY that the Democrats did the whole thing in a very public way, that what was happening was in the news the whole time, that there were hearings and debate and Republicans were allowed to offer amendment after amendment, many of which were adopted.

No, that reality DIDN’T MATTER. What was important was that the GOP had accused the Democrats of what the Dems were now saying the GOP is doing. So both sides are bad.

I look at the racist right, and I think, like Theoden, “What can men do against such reckless hate?”

But then I look at the middle, and I think, “What can men do against such facile apathy?”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:28:31am

Theresa May bundled into a car by police after exiting a side door from a church in Kensington being used as support for the fire victims.

The crowd was protesting and shouting at her.

Theresa May has left a church, which is in use as a support hub for victims of the Grenfell Tower fire, through a side door to chants of “coward” and “shame on you”.

The Prime Minister had been meeting victims, residents and volunteers at St Clement’s Church in north Kensington, after she was accused of failing to show “humility” when she refused to meet locals during a visit the day before.

Witnesses described Ms May being bundled into a car by police amid “fury from the pushing crowd,” less than an hour after protests erupted outside Kensington town hall close by.

More at independent.co.uk with video.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:28:40am

re: #165 HappyWarrior

I think both sidesism is an attempt by people to try to appear above partisan politics when it really just makes them look ignorant.

It’s popular because it’s easy. Unearthing the facts takes effort. Too many people fall into the belief that ‘the truth is in the middle’. That may have been true once, but not anymore.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:30:38am

re: #167 Blind Frog Belly White

I look at the racist right, and I think, like Theoden, “What can men do against such reckless hate?”

But then I look at the middle, and I think, “What can men do against such facile apathy?”

Historically, something really big like War, Pestilence, Famine steps in and creates a cultural ‘reset’. So, it’s not really hopeless.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:32:13am

re: #170 Decatur Deb

Historically, something really big like War, Pestilence, Famine steps in and creates a cultural ‘reset’. So, it’s not really hopeless.

Well, that’s hopeful then.

(I’d really rather not go through war, famine, or pestilence.)

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:33:53am

re: #171 Anymouse 🌹

Well, that’s hopeful then.

(I’d really rather not go through war, famine, or pestilence.)

First-world snowflake.

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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:33:55am

re: #154 Unshaken Defiance

Got a Manx story for ya. Cinnamon got something sticky in her fur. She really hates water except her drinking fountain. So I grab a sponge, wet it and start cleaning the sticky off the fur. At first she is pissed and hissy at the water and the fuss. Then I see her realize what I’m doing and starts begging for more. Around the legs again and again, butt with the longest loudest yowl ever. Until I start with the sponge again.

[Embedded content]

P.S. In honor of CL, from whom I got it. Something sticky in the fur:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:34:17am

Oh, and then there’s this.

When I hear that we need to embrace Bernie Sanders and listen to the WWC’s concerns, and stop with identity politics, this is what I think. How can we tell people who have been suffering the brunt of the revival of white supremacist politics, who had started to think that maybe, JUST MAYBE it was finally time for America to listen to them, that they need to go sit in the back of the bus again while we deal with these whiny white people some more.

Just be patient. Your time will come. Meanwhile, have some sympathy for these guys who voted for an obvious con man appealing to the very worst in them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:38:34am

re: #170 Decatur Deb

Historically, something really big like War, Pestilence, Famine steps in and creates a cultural ‘reset’. So, it’s not really hopeless.

I firmly believe that one of the biggest reasons why Obama doesn’t get the respect he deserves is that the financial crisis happened too close to his inauguration, and was handled too well.

FDR had the ‘advantage’ of 2 years of GOP policies failing while America drifted into a deep depression, for which Conservative policies had no remedy. The 2008-2009 crisis was far more dangerous than most people realize or remember, and the resulting slow growth seems anemic compared to other, less potentially catastrophic recessions.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:39:16am
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:39:24am

re: #173 wrenchwench

Two very unhappy faces.

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makeitstop  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:40:40am

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹

That moment when @MalcolmNance calls Breitbart’s @AlexMarlow out to his face about death threats Nance & family received b/c of fake news

That’s just so goddamned delicious.

Watching that punk from Breitbart squirm while Nance stares him down might be daily viewing around here.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:41:36am

re: #174 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, and then there’s this.

Class solidarity with white working class people wouldn’t have saved Philando’s life, or Sandra’s or whomever, so fuck right the fuck off.

She’s right. On the other hand, will the day when black citizens are safe in their cars come earlier if solidarity with the nation’s largest minority is rejected?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:41:44am

The village clerk just stopped by my house to drop off a sourdough starter and recipe for my wife from a local Mennonite church group they wanted her to have. (My wife is big on baking bread and has given that church group a number of her recipes from her family.)

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:43:19am

re: #180 Anymouse 🌹

The village clerk just stopped by my house to drop off a sourdough starter and recipe for my wife from a local Mennonite church group they wanted her to have. (My wife is big on baking bread and has given that church group a number of her recipes from her family.)

Be careful. Timmy is due to fall down the well again.

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sagehen  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:44:26am

re: #138 wrenchwench

You read ‘cat.’ Can you speak it?

Sorta. My accent is terrible.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:47:06am

Currently at a family reunion.

I’m just waiting for the inevitable Trump mention and the gnashing of teeth that will follow.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:47:27am
Imani Gandy✔
@AngryBlackLady

Class solidarity with white working class people wouldn’t have saved Philando’s life, or Sandra’s or whomever, so fuck right the fuck off.

She’s correct.

Moreover, it’s not like issues of racism need to take a back seat on the damn bus while we work on problems of income inequality and jobs. We are capable of doing more than one thing at a time.

The idea that “well, you people already waited four hundred years for justice, sit back for a few more while we deal with the so-called white working class” at best is simplistic and continues racism.

A lot of poor WWC in the XIX Century were racists. A lot of poor WWC people in the XX Century were racists. A lot of poor WWC people now are racists. Maybe we ought to be working on the racism problem, just a thought.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:48:36am

re: #176 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I think the big differences is that Obama supporters actually read.

No, seriously! Jack Posobiec Tweeted yesterday that he was going to put on the Salem Witch Trials play, and burn Hillary Clinton at the stake, as if somehow the play (The Crucible, actually) glorifies the witch hunters.

It was actually the perfect example of the Right’s lack of reading and thinking!

Making The Crucible about Hillary Clinton being witch hunted (not sure how you’d do that, exactly) would portray her as the victim of stupid, superstitious people. Sounds about right.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:50:10am

re: #185 Blind Frog Belly White

I think the big differences is that Obama supporters actually read.

No, seriously! Jack Posobiec Tweeted yesterday that he was going to put on the Salem Witch Trials play, and burn Hillary Clinton at the stake, as if somehow the play (The Crucible, actually) glorifies the witch hunters.

It was actually the perfect example of the Right’s lack of reading and thinking!

Making The Crucible about Hillary Clinton being witch hunted (not sure how you’d do that, exactly) would portray her as the victim of stupid, superstitious people. Sounds about right.

There were no burnings at Salem—14 hangings, 1 crushed to death, 5 additional deaths in custody.

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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:52:12am

re: #182 sagehen

Sorta. My accent is terrible.

Mine must be also. I am constantly misunderstood.They know some ‘human’, though. The word ‘kibble’ is never misunderstood.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:52:16am
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makeitstop  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:52:38am

Old man yells at cloud TV

Trump advisers and confidants describe the president as increasingly angry over the investigation, yelling at television sets in the White House carrying coverage and insisting he is the target of a conspiracy to discredit — and potentially end — his presidency. Some of his ire is aimed at Rosenstein and investigative special counsel Robert Mueller, both of whom the president believes are biased against him, associates say.

Oh, fuck you, Queeg. You made your own enemies here by believing becoming president would give you carte blanche to break all the laws.

Biased against you? That hardly begins to cover it. Now step the fuck down so we can get on with impeaching temporary President Pence, and take your scum offspring with you. Fuck all y’all.

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Ming5000  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:52:39am

I just returned from the Michigan 9th District Democratic Party Meeting. I met Sander Levin.
Much effort being placed beefing up grassroots activism. Local clubs being dusted off and invigorated.
I was surprised to see protesters as I drove up to the venue. THEY WERE BERNIEBOTS.
Sander was out there talking to them. Could you believe, they were on his back about “Medicare for All” and single payer insurance. They were acting as though Sander was the enemy. We are barely keeping the Republic together and the Rs control all branches of government, yet the Bernians are deeply upset still that they cannot get their ponies.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:52:42am

Chemtrails!!!

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Dave In Austin  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:53:24am

If there is a Hero in all this shit, Malcom Nance is that person.

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makeitstop  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:54:13am

re: #189 makeitstop

Old man yells at cloud TV

Oh, fuck you, Queeg. You made your own enemies here by believing becoming president would give you carte blanche to break all the laws.

Biased against you? That hardly begins to cover it. Now step the fuck down so we can get on with impeaching temporary President Pence, and take your scum offspring with you. Fuck all y’all.

Yeah, I’m in a mood today. How’s everybody doing? :)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:54:23am

He chose Rothenstein to be his Deputy AG.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:54:51am

re: #179 Decatur Deb

She’s right. On the other hand, will the day when black citizens are safe in their cars come earlier if solidarity with the nation’s largest minority is rejected?

When Bernie talks about ‘ending identity politics’, what nonwhite people hear is this:

“Yes, I understand - your people are being shot left and right for no reason, and then we blame the victims. We tell you to cooperate, and then we shoot you anyway, and then we let the cops who did it go free. But look at these poor white people over here!”

And, honestly, what the WWC has been going through lately is a softer, easier version what the NON-white working class has been going through forever.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:55:18am

re: #174 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, and then there’s this.

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When I hear that we need to embrace Bernie Sanders and listen to the WWC’s concerns, and stop with identity politics, this is what I think. How can we tell people who have been suffering the brunt of the revival of white supremacist politics, who had started to think that maybe, JUST MAYBE it was finally time for America to listen to them, that they need to go sit in the back of the bus again while we deal with these whiny white people some more.

Just be patient. Your time will come. Meanwhile, have some sympathy for these guys who voted for an obvious con man appealing to the very worst in them.

This is absolutely right.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:56:13am

re: #186 Decatur Deb

There were no burnings at Salem—14 hangings, 1 crushed to death, 5 additional deaths in custody.

You really needed to start that with ‘Well, actually…”
//

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jaunte  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:56:53am

re: #197 Blind Frog Belly White

You really needed to start that with ‘Well, actually…”
//

That was how the other 5 died.

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ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:57:30am

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

Some days it gets really hard to keep any kind of positive outlook for the future of this country.

Between the Castile thing, and the Cosby thing, and the Julius Caesar thing, and the Senate GOP’s incredibly anti-American secrecy in drafting and preparing to pass a bill to take insurance away from the most vulnerable to give more money to the most privileged, and the apparent willingness of the GOP to accept any level of blatant corruption from Trump, just to hurt poor people and help those who need it least.

And then, so many times when you try to point out this entirely asymmetrical situation, you’re hit with ‘both sides do it’.

How do we win against this combination of cruelty and corruption in the face of the apathy and facile ‘plague on both your houses’ attitude of so many in the middle?

I don’t know if there is any actual winning that can be done. All I can think of as to what will turn the tides in this country is a reeducation of civics, sociology and government.

Our citizens have no clue how government works, they got too used to it being there with no idea how it got to where it is. They counted on it because they must have thought they deserved it, it came with being born a member of this country.

They are going to find out the hard way how government works by seeing how it can work against them. Big lessons coming.

But the biggie is what always motivated humans: needs.

People apparently require a lot of stuff they need taken from them before they realize they needed it. Once it is gone they will wonder where it went and then get to finding out how to get it back. Big lessons coming.

The day is coming when a lot of people are going to find they screwed themselves by being ignorant of government, civics and sociology. They will slowly find how all that stuff conservatives told them don’t need really was needed.

They may also find the money that paid for their needs is now in the accounts of the very people that told them they didn’t need all that taxation, healthcare, environmental regulations, education, policing, etc. Big lessons coming.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:57:36am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:58:21am

re: #198 jaunte

That was how the other 5 died.

I L’d OL at that! One internet for you!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:59:00am

I’m off to bed for now. Catch y’all later… . try to keep the world from blowing up whilst I sleep.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:59:37am

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

When Bernie talks about ‘ending identity politics’, what nonwhite people hear is this:

“Yes, I understand - your people are being shot left and right for no reason, and then we blame the victims. We tell you to cooperate, and then we shoot you anyway, and then we let the cops who did it go free. But look at these poor white people over here!”

And, honestly, what the WWC has been going through lately is a softer, easier version what the NON-white working class has been going through forever.

Totally true. And what is another way out of this except the reinforcement of ironclad solidarity across the entire non-asshole spectrum? They have all the money. We have all the bodies. (And all the good songs.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 9:59:58am

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

When Bernie talks about ‘ending identity politics’, what nonwhite people hear is this:

“Yes, I understand - your people are being shot left and right for no reason, and then we blame the victims. We tell you to cooperate, and then we shoot you anyway, and then we let the cops who did it go free. But look at these poor white people over here!”

And, honestly, what the WWC has been going through lately is a softer, easier version what the NON-white working class has been going through forever.

I read a great article on Buzzfeed not long after the election from an Arab-American young woman from Scranton-Wilkes Barre about what people who aren’t WWC go through in these towns. I really think a lot of white American liberals take a romantic image of the WWC since it’s why so many of their families entered the left in the first place. For my mom’s side, immigrants and the children of them, it certainly was. The New Deal is why my grandparents and their siblings and parents became Democrats. However, many of those same people did exhibit racist behavior too. My Mom can remember her father being upset at her playing with black children. Now, he did get better as he got older but you’re absolutely right. And personally I find Sanders attitude, a man who represents a state with fewer black people than my home county dismissive when it comes to regions with large numbers of African-Americans. I still remember him shruggign off his loss in SC as “Well the South is quite Republican”, why yes it is Bernie but you were fine with your big wins in equally Republican states. Our next party nominee needs to be someone who is either a minority themselves or has a lot of experience representing them. It definitely should not be 80 year old Bernie Sanders from the 95%+ white state of Vermont.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:00:15am

re: #202 Anymouse 🌹

I’m off to bed for now. Catch y’all later… . try to keep the world from blowing up whilst I sleep.

I’m hoping the poor cell reception in the Catoctin Mountains will keep Trump from doing/saying anything TOO stupid this weekend.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:02:46am

And with the working class, we always hear “Oh why has the WWC left us?” We never stop and think about the minority working class voters that have remained key members of our coalition for years. The fact of the matter is the WWC started leaving the Democratic Party when Nixon first pandered to the resentments of that group whether it was about hippies opposed to the Vietnam War, Civil Rights activists, etc. Now I’m proud of my heritage as the descendant of hard working, blue collar people but I have no illusions about that group and I do NOT blame the Democratic Party for losing them and their descendants but more over blame the Republican Party and them for going for the politics of racial resentment rather than seeing everyone regardless of race as a fellow American and that really is the direction the Democratic Party has been on since 1964.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:04:03am

If WWC want to listen to the concerns of minority voters, then step on board but if you expect us to pander to you and lie to you like Trump did, I really don’t want you in my coalition.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:05:30am

Greets and saluts from the resistance in the NYC metro area. Scattered storms are all about, but the weather isn’t what’s bothering me.

It’s the fact that Trump thinks that his corruption is above the law.
It’s the fact that the GOP still enables him despite a growing pile of evidence showing him and his cronies are up to their eyeballs in Russian corruption.

There’s the perjury.
There’s the obstruction of justice.
There’s the threat of still more obstruction of justice, and what does the GOP and Trump do? They send out Newt fuckin’ Gingrich to claim that the president can’t engage in obstruction of justice? That’s the same Newt fuckin’ Gingrich who called for impeachment - high crimes and misdemeanors because Clinton lied about having an affair. Highly improper activities to be sure, but if we’re going to call that obstruction of justice, what the fuck do you call firing the FBI director for not stopping the investigation, making threats against key natsec officials to try and get them to stop investigations, and to lie/obfuscate about his role and the roles of all the people operating at his behest during the campaign, after winning in November, and through inauguration who contacted Russians and lied about it.

It’s not just one guy.

Kushner.
Sessions.
Flynn. Flynn was fired. Sessions committed perjury in his testimony before Congress during his nomination. Kushner lied on his security clearance forms, which is also perjury. That’s firing offenses, and yet Trump and the GOP have taken no steps on either.

Trump belatedly fired Flynn, but still sought to speak with him after the firing. Again, that goes to interfering with federal investigations.

These investigations will continue because the scope of the criminality is so vast and it takes time to sort through all the witnesses and evidence. After all, we’re still watching Trumpworld lawyering up - to the point where Trump’s lawyers are themselves getting lawyers.

Pence lawyered up (all while claiming that this is normal). It’s not normal for everyone in the Trump admin to need lawyers less than 6 months in to the administration for high crimes and misdemeanors that would be classified as seditious acts, obstruction of justice, and more.

So, when you read reports about how some of the GOP are splitting with Trump on his Cuba actions, they wont change their position. They’ll still back him. They’ll still block further investigations, and they’ll enable him.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:06:29am

Here’s what makes the Democratic Party so wonderful and inclusive to me. It has a place for a college educated white guy such as myself, many African-Americans including those who remember Jim Crow, women, immigrants, LGBT people, etc. I’ve said it before but I’d much rather have a socially liberal business type in my party than a working class person threatened by minorities and LGBT people.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:06:29am

re: #206 HappyWarrior

And with the working class, we always hear “Oh why has the WWC left us?” We never stop and think about the minority working class voters that have remained key members of our coalition for years. The fact of the matter is the WWC started leaving the Democratic Party when Nixon first pandered to the resentments of that group whether it was about hippies opposed to the Vietnam War, Civil Rights activists, etc. Now I’m proud of my heritage as the descendant of hard working, blue collar people but I have no illusions about that group and I do NOT blame the Democratic Party for losing them and their descendants but more over blame the Republican Party and them for going for the politics of racial resentment rather than seeing everyone regardless of race as a fellow American and that really is the direction the Democratic Party has been on since 1964.

Part of the trap is falling into the “WWC” label. Who do we think are doing the shit jobs, pulling minimum wage, and watching their kids sucked into the school-to-prison pipeline?

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ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:06:42am

re: #183 Eclectic Cyborg

Currently at a family reunion.

I’m just waiting for the inevitable Trump mention and the gnashing of teeth that will follow.

Hopefully you won’t be the only one gnashing your teeth. You will need sympathetic compatriots.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:06:59am

What’s wrong with our juries? According to their logic Andrea Constead consented to being drugged by Bill Cosby and it’s not a crime to rape someone while they’re unconscious.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:07:08am

re: #210 Decatur Deb

Part of the trap is falling into the “WWC” label. Who do we think are doing the shit jobs, pulling minimum wage, and watching their kids sucked into the school-to-prison pipeline?

There’s that too.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:07:21am

We might as well start calling him Bernie Trump for all the damage he’s done to the country…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:08:43am

re: #214 Eclectic Cyborg

We might as well start calling him Bernie Trump for all the damage he’s done to the country…

I can’t go that far but I do think Sanders is a lot more flawed than his supporters will ever admit. He has a huge blind spot to what minorities go through and he makes it worse when he tells minority voters to stop engaging in identity politics. The thing is he’s doing the same thing talking about the WWC’s plight.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:08:57am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

Here’s what makes the Democratic Party so wonderful and inclusive to me. It has a place for a college educated white guy such as myself, many African-Americans including those who remember Jim Crow, women, immigrants, LGBT people, etc. I’ve said it before but I’d much rather have a socially liberal business type in my party than a working class person threatened by minorities and LGBT people.

We need every voter we can get. 80,000. And it was easier back in 2016.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:09:50am

re: #216 Decatur Deb

We need every voter we can get. 80,000. And it was easier back in 2016.

As I said, if that working class voter wants to vote for us, fine by me but I just think we shouldn’t promise and pander the way Trump did. Be honest with these people. Help them but not give them promises of a time that never was.

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sagehen  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:10:30am

re: #187 wrenchwench

Mine must be also. I am constantly misunderstood.They know some ‘human’, though. The word ‘kibble’ is never misunderstood.

And the sound of a can opener, that one they know really well. Even wakes them up from naps.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:12:00am

re: #1 Birth Control Works

Cool. Did not know that about green sea turtles, the switch from carnivore to herbivore.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:13:05am

Honestly I think Bernie supporters are worse than Bernie himself.

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ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:14:40am

re: #193 makeitstop

Yeah, I’m in a mood today. How’s everybody doing? :)

Similar mood when it comes to anything politics…and it is hot and humid in central Ohio today limiting outside activity. Not a good mix.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:16:56am

And as long as I’m bitching about everything else, here’s something else that grinds my gears:

Coolaroo shades are great for our house, because they reflect a lot of the light that would otherwise increase our heat load on hot days. They’re designed to for sunny places. So, why is the plastic in the clips that hold the chain to keep it from clattering against the house when it’s windy SO susceptible to UV degradation?

Our Coolaroos are in great shape, but the clips are all broken and they all broke because of UV damage from sunlight. You’d think the company might have thought of that, what with their product being designed for sunny climates, BUT NO!

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:17:51am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

As I said, if that working class voter wants to vote for us, fine by me but I just think we shouldn’t promise and pander the way Trump did. Be honest with these people. Help them but not give them promises of a time that never was.

Check last year’s Dem platform and the stated goals of various progressive groups like MoveOn or OFA. See the priority placed on real labor issues like union breaking, minimum wage, and workplace safety & health. Organized workers like SEIU are still the heavy lifters in the large states, and they’re looking second-class. And they’re not lilly-white.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:17:56am

re: #220 Eclectic Cyborg

Honestly I think Bernie supporters are worse than Bernie himself.

Depends on the person. I know a few who are practical minded. Others who are yeah the worst of the bros.

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sagehen  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:17:58am

re: #215 HappyWarrior

I can’t go that far but I do think Sanders is a lot more flawed than his supporters will ever admit. He has a huge blind spot to what minorities go through and he makes it worse when he tells minority voters to stop engaging in identity politics. The thing is he’s doing the same thing talking about the WWC’s plight.

Not to mention, every. single. program. and. benefit. those WWC are now whining about wanting… the D’s keep trying. And the R’s portray it as “Blacks and Mexicans wanting free stuff.” The WWC are completely oblivious to the fact that it’s the EXACT. SAME. FREE. STUFF. and it would be on offer if only they weren’t so insistent on “but only for us.”

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:18:42am

And I’m hearing the sound of cans opening. BBL.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:19:53am

re: #223 Decatur Deb

Check last year’s Dem platform and the stated goals of various progressive groups like MoveOn or OFA. See the priority placed on real labor issues like union breaking, minimum wage, and workplace safety & health. Organized workers like SEIU are still the heavy lifters in the large states, and they’re looking second-class. And they’re not lilly-white.

I’m not saying that DD. I’m saying we shouldn’t pander to resentments about the mines and mills closing by making empty promises and rhetoric. Help these people and their communities out but don’t tell them that the Dems are ignoring them because that simply isn’t true.

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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:20:31am
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Romantic Heretic  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:20:33am

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹

Mr. Nance will get a retraction from Brietbart the day I can ice skate in Hell.

Note how the Breibrat immediately went into DARVO mode?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:21:33am

re: #225 sagehen

Not to mention, every. single. program. and. benefit. those WWC are now whining about wanting… the D’s keep trying. And the R’s portray it as “Blacks and Mexicans wanting free stuff.” The WWC are completely oblivious to the fact that it’s the EXACT. SAME. FREE. STUFF. and it would be on offer if only they weren’t so insistent on “but only for us.”

Exactly. Every American white or not should be able to enjoy these programs. Too many of the WWC only think they should or fall for candidates like Trump who sell that.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:22:43am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

That’s not to say I don’t think the Dems are without flaws or fault but their flaws/faults are minor compared to the GOP’s.

The Dems are not planning on burning the country to the ground and rebuilding it in their image.

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calochortus  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:23:10am

re: #225 sagehen

Not to mention, every. single. program. and. benefit. those WWC are now whining about wanting… the D’s keep trying. And the R’s portray it as “Blacks and Mexicans wanting free stuff.” The WWC are completely oblivious to the fact that it’s the EXACT. SAME. FREE. STUFF. and it would be on offer if only they weren’t so insistent on “but only for us.”

It’s all about Us and Them. Here’s a fascinating factoid I just read: Oxytocin makes people all cuddly and cooperative with others-as long as they are members of “Us.” It makes people harsher towards those who are “Them.”
Also, “Them” being hurt can make people feel good.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:23:27am

You want better health care, I want the same but please acknowledge that many minoriies do too and if they get it, it’s not because they’re moochers. Please understand why black Americans worry about police discrimination.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:23:51am

re: #223 Decatur Deb

Check last year’s Dem platform and the stated goals of various progressive groups like MoveOn or OFA. See the priority placed on real labor issues like union breaking, minimum wage, and workplace safety & health. Organized workers like SEIU are still the heavy lifters in the large states, and they’re looking second-class. And they’re not lilly-white.

I keep coming back to the same answer - stupidity. So many in the WWC are anti-Union, oppose raising the minimum wage, oppose any form of ‘socialized medicine’. I mean, we joke about the Teabagger, the Union guy, and the CEO (“That union guy wants your cookie!”), but being objectively pro-worker has not helped us with a lot of the WWC, and being objectively anti-worker has not hurt the GOP.

What other explanation is there than that they’re stupid?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:24:09am

re: #173 wrenchwench

Owtch! Poor Kitty!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:24:44am

re: #234 Blind Frog Belly White

And I realize that “Your voters are stupid” is not a winning campaign slogan, but we’re talking among friends here, not running a campaign.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:25:52am

re: #169 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s popular because it’s easy. Unearthing the facts takes effort. Too many people fall into the belief that ‘the truth is in the middle’. That may have been true once, but not anymore.

The problem is people prefer Truth™ to wisdom.

Truth™ is true, good and never changes.

Wisdom requires constant checking of motivation, goals and results. It’s way too much work of a type most people don’t much care for. They are willing to break their backs but not their minds.

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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:27:47am

re: #234 Blind Frog Belly White

What other explanation is there than that they’re stupid?

They have been miseducated since birth by those who want them to believe that the rich are not the ones who hold the power.

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plansbandc  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:28:02am

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makeitstop  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:28:49am

re: #221 ObserverArt

Similar mood when it comes to anything politics…and it is hot and humid in central Ohio today limiting outside activity. Not a good mix.

It’s just kinda dismal out here on the Island of Long. We’re going to a BBQ at my BiL’s house today, and it’s a safe bet that most of it will be taking place under his covered patio.

Also, his dog and mine are pretty much a lock to be the messiest pair of doggos in New York once they’re done. We’re bringing extra towels, we’ll need ‘em.

But I have to admit that’s it’s kind of fun to watch Preznit Queeg being slowly driven out of what’s left of his mind. It really sucks that we have to sit through it without being able to just call the rubber truck and have him carted off to that farm upstate.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:29:10am

re: #234 Blind Frog Belly White

I keep coming back to the same answer - stupidity. So many in the WWC are anti-Union, oppose raising the minimum wage, oppose any form of ‘socialized medicine’. I mean, we joke about the Teabagger, the Union guy, and the CEO (“That union guy wants your cookie!”), but being objectively pro-worker has not helped us with a lot of the WWC, and being objectively anti-worker has not hurt the GOP.

What other explanation is there than that they’re stupid?

If not stupid, they value social conservative policies more than economic ones that benefit them.

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makeitstop  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:31:49am

re: #229 Romantic Heretic

Mr. Nance will get a retraction from Brietbart the day I can ice skate in Hell.

Note how the Breibrat immediately went into DARVO mode?

I really liked seeing that look of abject fear cross his mug while Nance stared him down. His only route of escape was DARVO, and Nance blocked that, too.

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calochortus  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:33:01am

Time to hang out the laundry.
Bad news: it’s already pretty hot and unpleasant out there.
Good news: the first things I hang out should just about have dried by the time I finish hanging it all out.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:35:52am

re: #190 Ming5000

I just returned from the Michigan 9th District Democratic Party Meeting. I met Sander Levin.
Much effort being placed beefing up grassroots activism. Local clubs being dusted off and invigorated.
I was surprised to see protesters as I drove up to the venue. THEY WERE BERNIEBOTS.
Sander was out there talking to them. Could you believe, they were on his back about “Medicare for All” and single payer insurance. They were acting as though Sander was the enemy. We are barely keeping the Republic together and the Rs control all branches of government, yet the Bernians are deeply upset still that they cannot get their ponies.

I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that there are some Roger Stone ratfuckers in that crowd of Berniebots.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:37:32am

re: #244 Joe Bacon 🌹

I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that there are some Roger Stone ratfuckers in that crowd of Berniebots.

Sounds like something Stone would do.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:37:44am

re: #72 Dr. Matt

Is that the combination to your luggage?

1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:37:59am

re: #241 HappyWarrior

If not stupid, they value social conservative policies more than economic ones that benefit them.

If Trump’s success has proved anything, it’s that it’s not really about ideology. I think the better way to look at ‘social conservatism’ is less as conservatism and more as the preservation of privilege and position.

Example - Homosexuality, especially male homosexuality, makes a lot of straight people uncomfortable, even downright queasy. The thing about privilege is that you think you shouldn’t be required to accept that which makes you uncomfortable. So, you say, “It’s WRONG! It’s UNNATURAL! It’s EVIL!!”, and if one political side supports equality for gays, they must be BAD!

Goes for everything. People with privilege don’t think they should have to put up with lots of Those People moving into their towns, having to press 1 for English, etc.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:37:59am

re: #189 makeitstop

Old man yells at cloud TV

Oh, fuck you, Queeg. You made your own enemies here by believing becoming president would give you carte blanche to break all the laws.

Biased against you? That hardly begins to cover it. Now step the fuck down so we can get on with impeaching temporary President Pence, and take your scum offspring with you. Fuck all y’all.

Just imagine the impeachment trial when President Shithead actually walks into the Senate, sits at the defense table, whips out his Android phone and starts tweeting. Or better yet, he whips out a pair of phone and twiddles them back and forth!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:42:36am

re: #247 Blind Frog Belly White

If Trump’s success has proved anything, it’s that it’s not really about ideology. I think the better way to look at ‘social conservatism’ is less as conservatism and more as the preservation of privilege and position.

Example - Homosexuality, especially male homosexuality, makes a lot of straight people uncomfortable, even downright queasy. The thing about privilege is that you think you shouldn’t be required to accept that which makes you uncomfortable. So, you say, “It’s WRONG! It’s UNNATURAL! It’s EVIL!!”, and if one political side supports equality for gays, they must be BAD!

Goes for everything. People with privilege don’t think they should have to put up with lots of Those People moving into their towns, having to press 1 for English, etc.

Yes!

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:45:45am

re: #247 Blind Frog Belly White

When you’re used to privilege equality feels like oppression.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:45:54am

re: #234 Blind Frog Belly White

I keep coming back to the same answer - stupidity. So many in the WWC are anti-Union, oppose raising the minimum wage, oppose any form of ‘socialized medicine’. I mean, we joke about the Teabagger, the Union guy, and the CEO (“That union guy wants your cookie!”), but being objectively pro-worker has not helped us with a lot of the WWC, and being objectively anti-worker has not hurt the GOP.

What other explanation is there than that they’re stupid?

Based on my experience dealing with folks at Social Security, the explanation is that they’ve been brainwashed by the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine. They watch 19th Century Fox, listen to Rush and Hate Radio, surf BreitFART, Dead State, Freak Republic and other assorted right wing sites and they go to church every Sunday to hear the latest Frank Luntz tested GOP talking points.

My friends who fled the USSR in the 80s tell me that the Republican Bullshit Machine acts exactly like Pravda/Tass/Izvestia did in the Soviet Union. And Right wing Megachurches act just like Soviet Communist Party cells. If you listen to the bullshit that comes out of the mouths of American Republicans and compare it to what Soviet Communists said you will only notice the diffence of two words in their rhetoric. When Soviet Communists mentioned “Marx”, American Republicans say “God” and when Soviet Communists mentioned “Lenin” American Republicans say “Reagan”.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:46:21am

re: #236 Blind Frog Belly White

And I realize that “Your voters are stupid” is not a winning campaign slogan, but we’re talking among friends here, not running a campaign.

If we’re not, we’re several months late.

(Short lunch, precautionary Cipro is screwing with intake in-keep.)

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Apocalypse  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:50:47am

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹

The Video won’t load for me, but is that Eddie Izzard on that panel?

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:54:03am

Demon Doubt

Absolutely. There isn’t a black person in the world today who wants to remain a slave, who wants to remain at the wrong end of the racist dynamic. But there are lots of women who want to remain as they are.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 10:59:39am

re: #251 Joe Bacon 🌹

Based on my experience dealing with folks at Social Security, the explanation is that they’ve been brainwashed by the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine. They watch 19th Century Fox, listen to Rush and Hate Radio, surf BreitFART, Dead State, Freak Republic and other assorted right wing sites and they go to church every Sunday to hear the latest Frank Luntz tested GOP talking points.

My friends who fled the USSR in the 80s tell me that the Republican Bullshit Machine acts exactly like Pravda/Tass/Izvestia did in the Soviet Union. And Right wing Megachurches act just like Soviet Communist Party cells. If you listen to the bullshit that comes out of the mouths of American Republicans and compare it to what Soviet Communists said you will only notice the diffence of two words in their rhetoric. When Soviet Communists mentioned “Marx”, American Republicans say “God” and when Soviet Communists mentioned “Lenin” American Republicans say “Reagan”.

Brainwashing/Conditioning/Grooming/The Grift

regardless of the source, religion, monsters, psychologists —it is all the same.

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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:01:01am

It’s hot here, but it’s a dry heat. A little too dry.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:03:34am

re: #247 Blind Frog Belly White

If Trump’s success has proved anything, it’s that it’s not really about ideology. I think the better way to look at ‘social conservatism’ is less as conservatism and more as the preservation of privilege and position.

Example - Homosexuality, especially male homosexuality, makes a lot of straight people uncomfortable, even downright queasy. The thing about privilege is that you think you shouldn’t be required to accept that which makes you uncomfortable. So, you say, “It’s WRONG! It’s UNNATURAL! It’s EVIL!!”, and if one political side supports equality for gays, they must be BAD!

Goes for everything. People with privilege don’t think they should have to put up with lots of Those People moving into their towns, having to press 1 for English, etc.

MALES CAN’T APPEAR WEAK —

This I’ll never understand. But a man who is perceived as weak will be devoured by stronger men.

In an old privately owned health club/community center they had a separate entrance and area in the locker rooms for old men. We did’t have such a thing in the ladies. Never imagined such a thing. I guess old men appear weak and are especially susceptible to violence by young testosterone filled men. There is no such phenom with women. We look to our old women as mentors.

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garzooma  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:04:02am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

… if they ever actually read the play, they’d see that the assassins aren’t exactly the “good guys”.

Well, one of them is the “noblest Roman of them all.” On the other hand, Caesar gets a Trump Cabinet Grade ball washing from Mark Antony. I’m actually curious how the Manhattan audience reacted to that.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:04:16am

re: #256 wrenchwench

It’s hot here, but it’s a dry heat. A little too dry.

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SE has been unusually tolerable temps, with a restoration of an ‘old’ pattern of short storms on most days. The garden loves it, but so do the bugs.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:04:56am

It’s wet in Chicagoland. That means humidity and allergies.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:06:39am

re: #259 Decatur Deb

SE has been unusually tolerable temps, with a restoration of an ‘old’ pattern of short storms on most days. The garden loves it, but so do the bugs.

We’re doing our first real heatwave of the season here.

I object but it’s not listening to me.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:06:48am

OWN GOALS
WHERE TRUMP STANDS ON HIS EXECUTIVE ORDERS

President Donald Trump has demanded hundreds of specific actions from federal agencies as part of his executive orders and memoranda. The Intercept is tracking how many of the deadlines for these actions are met — and whether or not the results are reported to the public.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:08:04am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Yes!

Conservatives as the ultimate snowflakes?

Black guy wins Presidency: TRIGGERED.

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freetoken  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:09:05am

What I learned from Youtube this morning: The Jews are planning White Genocide.

Amazing number of videos posted even in the last week about this.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:09:34am

re: #257 Birth Control Works

MALES CAN’T APPEAR WEAK —

This I’ll never understand. But a man who is perceived as weak will be devoured by stronger men.

In an old privately owned health club/community center they had a separate entrance and area in the locker rooms for old men. We did’t have such a thing in the ladies. Never imagined such a thing. I guess old men appear weak and are especially susceptible to violence by young testosterone filled men. There is no such phenom with women. We look to our old women as mentors.

A lot of discussion of male-female conflict (and xenophobia) overlooks the fact that we are still carrying around a good bit of ape-brain constructs. There was reportedly a Papuan tribe that had no word to distinguish “outsider” and “enemy”.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:10:21am

Little Girl Crashes Wedding Photo Shoot For One Adorable Reason

Must Click —especially if you are feeling nihilistic.

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ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:10:48am

re: #253 Apocalypse

The Video won’t load for me, but is that Eddie Izzard on that panel?

Yes it is.

Here is another video/link…see if this works for you.

Pee Tape, Fake News, Death Threats | Overtime with Bill Maher (HBO)

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:11:09am

re: #264 freetoken

What I learned from Youtube this morning: The Jews are planning White Genocide.

Amazing number of videos posted even in the last week about this.

How does that work when many Jews are white? Diaspora -intermarriage, etc.

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Apocalypse  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:12:29am

re: #267 ObserverArt

Yep, it works. Thanks!

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freetoken  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:12:33am

re: #268 Birth Control Works

How does that work when many Jews are white?

Not according to the Pure.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:12:55am

re: #266 Birth Control Works

Little Girl Crashes Wedding Photo Shoot For One Adorable Reason

Must Click —especially if you are feeling nihilistic.

Progress—slow, painful progress.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:13:11am

re: #265 Decatur Deb

A lot of discussion of male-female conflict (and xenophobia) overlooks the fact that we are still carrying around a good bit of ape-brain constructs. There was reportedly a Papuan tribe that had no word to distinguish “outsider” and “enemy”.

All fetuses are female in body. At some point (in theory) those whose gonads are testicles get a shot of hormone that then causes the fetus to specialize into a male body.

I think males get “too” specialized. Until we deal with that, we will continue as before.

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calochortus  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:13:16am

re: #261 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We’re doing our first real heatwave of the season here.

I object but it’s not listening to me.

Not listening to me either.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:14:09am

re: #273 calochortus

Not listening to me either.

You must pay for someone to lobby for you

:0

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Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:15:42am
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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:15:55am

re: #272 Birth Control Works

All fetuses are female in body. At some point (in theory) those whose gonads are testicles get a shot of hormone that then causes the fetus to specialize into a male body.

I think males get “too” specialized. Until we deal with that, we will continue as before.

Let’s not go too far. A cultural solution can work. We don’t need to mess around with biology, nor evolution, for that matter.

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calochortus  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:16:39am

re: #272 Birth Control Works

All fetuses are female in body. At some point (in theory) those whose gonads are testicles get a shot of hormone that then causes the fetus to specialize into a male body.

I think males get “too” specialized. Until we deal with that, we will continue as before.

Apparently it is socially, biochemically and everything-else-ally incredibly complicated. I’m currently wading through Robert Sapolsky’s Behave. Really good, but he takes you through a lot of very complex information over 650+ pages which, in my case, need to be back at the library next week…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:16:46am

re: #275 Nyet

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No true Alt-Right Scotsmen Untie!

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:17:40am

re: #270 freetoken

Not according to the Pure.

Even in ’50s hyper-ethnic Pittsburgh, I never encountered the idea that Jews were anything but white. Of course we WICeDs (White Irish Catholic Democrats) were not hep to subtleties like Ashkenazi-Sephardic.

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calochortus  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:17:51am

re: #274 Birth Control Works

You must pay for someone to lobby for you

:0

Who should that someone lobby? And how do I find the appropriate lobbyist? I Will Pay to have the weather cool off.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:17:55am

re: #268 Birth Control Works

How does that work when many Jews are white? Diaspora -intermarriage, etc.

It’s an old canard - even Hitler referenced in Mein Kampf.

TL;DR - the Jews promote interracial marriage or race mixing in order to destroy white people as a race while they themselves don’t marry or have kids outside of other Jewish folks, thereby keeping themselves “pure”.

It’s old, stale bullshit.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:18:24am

re: #276 wrenchwench

Let’s not go too far. A cultural solution can work. We don’t need to mess around with biology, nor evolution, for that matter.

I THINK that over a long period of time, the cultural solution will change biology. Actually, I know this from reading. Behavior does change biology. We have to find a way to tweek Natural Selection to less specialized male.

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calochortus  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:20:24am

re: #281 Dr Lizardo

It’s an old canard - even Hitler referenced in Mein Kampf.

TL;DR - the Jews promote interracial marriage or race mixing in order to destroy white people as a race while they themselves don’t marry or have kids outside of other Jewish folks, thereby keeping themselves “pure”.

It’s old, stale bullshit.

OMG! My son-in-law being Asian is a Jewish plot? That is something I never actually considered. (I’ll have to thank the next Jewish person I see. We absolutely love the aforementioned son-in-law.)

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freetoken  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:21:10am

It’s all a Jewish plot.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:21:24am

re: #283 calochortus

OMG! My son-in-law being Asian is a Jewish plot? That is something I never actually considered. (I’ll have to thank the next Jewish person I see. We absolutely love the aforementioned son-in-law.)

Well, if they have been doing this over centuries —it hasn’t worked.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:21:42am

re: #284 freetoken

It’s all a Jewish plot.

did you forget your sarc tag?

Besides, I thought it was turtles.

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calochortus  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:22:03am

re: #285 Birth Control Works

Well, if they have been doing this over centuries —it hasn’t worked.

Soon…..Soon…. ;)

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ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:22:25am

re: #284 freetoken

It’s all a Jewish plot.

And it seems to have been going on for a long long…long time.

/ edit to add for ggt.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:22:29am

re: #285 Birth Control Works

Well, if they have been doing this over centuries —it hasn’t worked.

THEY’RE PLAYING THE LONG GAME, MAN!!!

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:23:20am

re: #275 Nyet

Needs moar broken beer bottles.

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Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:24:16am

re: #284 freetoken

It’s all a Jewish plot.

Even Hitler.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:25:36am

re: #291 Nyet

Even Hitler.

They made him do it to garner sympathy.

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jeffreyw  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:25:44am

First cherry tomato harvest:

Imgur

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:27:14am

Education Dept. Says It Will Scale Back Civil Rights Investigations

WASHINGTON — The Department of Education is scaling back investigations into civil rights violations at the nation’s public schools and universities, easing off mandates imposed by the Obama administration that the new leadership says have bogged down the agency.

According to an internal memo issued by Candice E. Jackson, the acting head of the department’s office for civil rights, requirements that investigators broaden their inquiries to identify systemic issues and whole classes of victims will be scaled back. Also, regional offices will no longer be required to alert department officials in Washington of all highly sensitive complaints on issues such as the disproportionate disciplining of minority students and the mishandling of sexual assaults on college campuses.

The new directives are the first steps taken under Education Secretary Betsy DeVos to reshape her agency’s approach to civil rights enforcement, which was bolstered while President Barack Obama was in office. The efforts during Mr. Obama’s administration resulted in far-reaching investigations and resolutions that required schools and colleges to overhaul policies addressing a number of civil rights concerns.

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Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:27:25am

re: #293 Decatur Deb

They made him do it to garner sympathy.

Rothschild stooge etc.

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ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:28:11am

re: #275 Nyet

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Richard Spencer is the The Truth!

All others are not as pale in comparison.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:29:35am

ON THIS DAY

On June 17, 1928, Amelia Earhart embarked on the first trans-Atlantic flight by a woman. She flew from Newfoundland to Wales in about 21 hours.

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ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:30:13am

re: #294 jeffreyw

First cherry tomato harvest:

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Good use. Yum.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:33:27am

re: #294 jeffreyw

I had my first zucchini yesterday.

Sauteed it and the beans with some garlic, salt, and pepper in olive oil and then topped with real Parmesan cheese. Came out pretty damn good and I don’t normally like zucchini. (I planted one because we do zucchini noodles sometimes.)

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Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:33:38am

I missed this but still true.

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makeitstop  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:37:24am

This may be worth watching. It almost makes me wish for Monday to hurry up…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:37:40am

re: #300 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I had my first zucchini yesterday.

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Sauteed it and the beans with some garlic, salt, and pepper in olive oil and then topped with real Parmesan cheese. Came out pretty damn good and I don’t normally like zucchini. (I planted one because we do zucchini noodles sometimes.)

Had a few, but we are expecting an infestation of a moth that usually does an early kill-off. Already getting more tomatoes of all kinds than we consume, as well as eggplant and pepper varieties. Getting very fond of a Marconi pepper that yields a flat 3X10 inch veggie. We split them into a ‘taco’ shape, stuff and grill.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:37:44am

I gotta go. I was up late and have lots to do. I know everyone is tired of my tshirts, BUT

I worked until 4am on this design. It was a drawing I started years ago, but never did anything with. I need to share.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:38:16am

re: #302 makeitstop

This may be worth watching. It almost makes me wish for Monday to hurry up…

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Blasphemy!

/

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ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:38:45am

re: #298 Birth Control Works

A wiki link to a bit of further women’s aviation history.
Wiki - Jerry Mock

Jerry Mock, first woman to fly solo around the world, was the wife of one of my freelance client and then boss as I went to work for him in his small ad agency. Interesting couple, I heard lots of stories.

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:41:59am

re: #306 ObserverArt

A wiki link to a bit of further women’s aviation history.
Wiki - Jerry Mock

Jerry Mock, first woman to fly solo around the world, was the wife of one of my freelance client and then boss as I went to work for him in his small ad agency. Interesting couple, I heard lots of stories.

very cool!

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makeitstop  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:42:02am

re: #305 Birth Control Works

Blasphemy!

/

Hence the ‘almost’! :)

Also - this: House Intel Committee Wants To Talk To Trump’s Digital Director

Dude got paid what amounts to roughly 25% of what Trump spent on the whole damn campaign, $94 mil. Why would they throw that much money at a web guy?

Remember that server at Trump Tower that would ping back and forth with the server at Alfa Bank? I ‘member. Wonder who set it up?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:42:24am

re: #303 Decatur Deb

Had a few, but we are expecting an infestation of a moth that usually does an early kill-off. Already getting more tomatoes of all kinds than we consume, as well as eggplant an pepper varieties. Getting very fond of a Marconi pepper that yields a flat 3X10 inch veggie. we split them into a ‘taco’ shape, stuff and grill.

My tomatoes are all green still but I’m going to have way more than normal. I didn’t even plant but one - all the rest are from fruit that I never harvested last year that took off on their own. The cucumbers are happily vining and competing with the one tomato plant I did buy for supremacy over the big pot. I can’t tell who’s winning. (The damn zucchini is triumphing over the bell pepper plant, although maybe the pepper is doing better now that I cut off the early fruit in an attempt to encourage growth.)

I desperately wish I had a real garden instead of my collection of pots but there were reasons. Sigh.

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ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:42:33am

re: #303 Decatur Deb

Had a few, but we are expecting an infestation of a moth that usually does an early kill-off. Already getting more tomatoes of all kinds than we consume, as well as eggplant an pepper varieties. Getting very fond of a Marconi pepper that yields a flat 3X10 inch veggie. we split them into a ‘taco’ shape, stuff and grill.

Send tomatoes to Columbus. I will help consume.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:45:53am

re: #309 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My tomatoes are all green still but I’m going to have way more than normal. I didn’t even plant but one - all the rest are from fruit that I never harvested last year that took off on their own. The cucumbers are happily vining and competing with the one tomato plant I did buy for supremacy over the big pot. I can’t tell who’s winning. (The damn zucchini is triumphing over the bell pepper plant, although maybe the pepper is doing better now that I cut off the early fruit in an attempt to encourage growth.)

I desperately wish I had a real garden instead of my collection of pots but there were reasons. Sigh.

I’ve moved to all-container, using $5.00 18 gallon totes in a grow tube. They’re drilled for drainage and watered with drip irrigators.

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Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:47:10am
313
BigPapa  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:50:15am

re: #275 Nyet

Aw, a little Kekistani Kerfuffle

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Birth Control Works  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:50:18am

bbl

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:52:04am

re: #311 Decatur Deb

I’ve moved to all-container, using $5.00 18 gallon totes in a grow tube. They’re drilled for drainage and watered with drip irrigators.

I was looking some at grow bags this year but didn’t end up doing anything new, just using the same 5 pots that I’ve had.

Ideally I want something portable because who knows how long we’re going to stay here. We keep saying we’ll move “next year” and then…

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:52:48am

re: #310 ObserverArt

Send tomatoes to Columbus. I will help consume.

In good years we foist veggies on our neighbors, but I have rumors of a Father’s Day ceramic pizza oven that will cut into the surplus.

worldmarket.com

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Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:52:59am

re: #313 BigPapa

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wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:56:51am

re: #317 Nyet

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Are ‘Alt-Light’ people the ones he doesn’t want in his racially-defined club?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:58:05am

Amazing to me that anti-fascist is now a term for the bad guys.

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Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 11:59:40am

re: #318 wrenchwench

Basically who are less “conservative white nationalist” than him. Which doesn’t mean that they’re not conservative white nationalists, mind.

It’s like that old joke, “he was fired from the Gestapo for cruelty”.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:00:10pm

re: #319 Eclectic Cyborg

Amazing to me that anti-fascist is now a term for the bad guys.

There’s “anti-fascist” and “Anti Fascist”.

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Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:00:24pm

re: #319 Eclectic Cyborg

He didn’t say anti-fascist, he said antifa, that’s a street movement that often gets violent.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:00:43pm
324
Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:01:16pm

Tracey being Tracey.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:01:43pm

re: #323 lawhawk

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Somehow doubt Steve there would be as snide to a male senator who said fuck.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:02:01pm

re: #322 Nyet

He didn’t say anti-fascist, he said antifa, that’s a street movement that often gets violent.

And have been used by the cops as provocateur-cover, at least once fatally.

327
makeitstop  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:02:04pm

Oh, look at how the layers overlap, intersect, twine together…it’s a Who’s Who of Trump insiders, Congressional Big Cheeses and Russian spies. And that web dude.

Trump-Parscale chart

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:02:28pm

re: #324 Nyet

Near universal praise, because he is praise-worthy. That the GOP is now engaging in a full-court smear campaign shows the lengths to which they’ll go to protect Trump from the consequences of his actions.

329
HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:02:40pm

re: #324 Nyet

Tracey being Tracey.

[Embedded content]

Or maybe it comes from a lifetime of public service where you gain respect like Mueller has.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:03:18pm

re: #323 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Did cursing violate Steve’s safe space?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:03:35pm

re: #328 lawhawk

Near universal praise, because he is praise-worthy. That the GOP is now engaging in a full-court smear campaign shows the lengths to which they’ll go to protect Trump from the consequences of his actions.

Indeed, Mueller got praised because he’s an admirable public servant, Tracey trying to make this bad is lame sauce.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:04:17pm

re: #320 Nyet

Basically who are less “conservative white nationalist” than him. Which doesn’t mean that they’re not conservative white nationalists, mind.

It’s like that old joke, “he was fired from the Gestapo for cruelty”.

Well in Lucas and Milo’s case, it’s because they’re gay.

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Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:04:25pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

Or maybe it comes from a lifetime of public service where you gain respect like Mueller has.

Cut the guy some slack, he’ll never have a chance to experience this.

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Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:04:57pm

re: #332 HappyWarrior

And in Loomer’s case probably because she is Jewish.

335
Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:05:24pm

re: #332 HappyWarrior

PS: that’s why I put the word “conservative” there.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:05:40pm

re: #332 HappyWarrior

Well in Lucas and Milo’s case, it’s because they’re gay.

So we’ll list Spencer as SS, not SA.

337
HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:06:40pm

re: #335 Nyet

PS: that’s why I put the word “conservative” there.

Ah missed that. And didn’t know Loomer was Jewish.

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lawhawk  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:07:01pm

re: #330 Timothy Watson

Strong competent women are a threat to him, Trump, and the GOP generally. That’s why they tried interfering in Kamala Harris’ questioning of Sessions last week, and call her calm methodical demeanor “hysterics” and other such bullshit.

339
HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:08:19pm

re: #336 Decatur Deb

So we’ll list Spencer as SS, not SA.

Funny enough, Spencer may be more equivalent to the SA since Lucas and Milo seem to be Trump loyalists above all else whereas Dicky is more about his agenda.

340
Hecuba's daughter  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:08:22pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Yes. And it’s really something for Alex to complain about the “Baby Goebells” crap after all the shit they wrote about the Obama Administration.

This seems to be a common RW theme — attributing to Democrats what the Republicans are actually doing. That’s the same line that my brother had following the Democratic convention: it was something out of Joseph Goebbels playbook

341
Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:08:43pm

re: #327 makeitstop

Oh, look at how the layers overlap, intersect, twine together…it’s a Who’s Who of Trump insiders, Congressional Big Cheeses and Russian spies. And that web dude.

Trump-Parscale chart

“Getcha’ program here. Can’t tell the players apart without a program.”

342
Hecuba's daughter  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:10:55pm

re: #168 Anymouse 🌹

Theresa May bundled into a car by police after exiting a side door from a church in Kensington being used as support for the fire victims.

The crowd was protesting and shouting at her.

More at independent.co.uk with video.

Isn’t the Grenfell fire exactly what happens you deregulate business?

343
Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:11:21pm

re: #339 HappyWarrior

More like a Strasserite then since he denounced Trump quite a while ago. Except Strasser was left-wing…

344
HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:13:30pm

re: #343 Nyet

More like a Strasserite then since he denounced Trump quite a while ago. Except Strasser was left-wing…

Yeah that’s more apt actually.

345
makeitstop  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:13:36pm

re: #341 Decatur Deb

“Getcha’ program here. Can’t tell the players apart without a program.”

Mueller’s crew should lean on that dude, and hard.

He got shitloads of money. His company is tied to Trump’s media peeps, his biggest defenders in Congress, and most importantly Kushner.

Follow the money? That web dude should be getting a lot of FBI surveillance love right now.

346
Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:15:02pm

re: #275 Nyet

And Twitter still gives that asshole a blank check..,

347
Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:16:25pm
348
makeitstop  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:17:52pm

re: #347 Nyet

[Embedded content]

Ooh, fashy infighting.

Is it wrong to hope for casualties all around?

349
retired cynic  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:18:23pm

re: #271 Decatur Deb

Progress—slow, painful progress.

“You’ve got to be taught, to be afraid…”

350
Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:18:26pm

Aha, here is one of the clues, what I wrote about above:

351
HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:18:39pm

re: #347 Nyet

[Embedded content]

And this will make idiots like Pam and Milo claim that Dick is actually on the left when in reality, it’s remiscient to me of the paleo-cons like Buchanan who hated Bush’s FP and the Neo-Cons.

352
Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:19:17pm

re: #351 HappyWarrior

Dick is a neopaleocon ;)

353
HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:19:57pm

re: #352 Nyet

Dick is a neopaleocon ;)

Yeah that actually describes him pretty well despite it sounding like a contradiction.

354
Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:22:01pm

re: #350 Nyet

Which leads to:

355
stpaulbear  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:23:09pm

re: #349 retired cynic

“You’ve got to be taught, to be afraid…”

Youve Got To Be Carefully Taught

356
HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:23:20pm

re: #354 Nyet

Which leads to:

[Embedded content]

Do you remember in the Bush years that August Kreis, a white supremacist made some news by seeking out a Neo-Nazi relationship with Al Queda and Bin Laden? That’s what that reminds me of.

357
Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:25:49pm

re: #356 HappyWarrior

Well, Hitler respected Islam and there were a few Muslims fighting for the Nazis (plus the whole Mufti thing). So it’s not as paradoxical as it may sound. Many on the alt-right want what they call “white Sharia”.

358
HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:27:35pm

re: #357 Nyet

Well, Hitler respected Islam and there were a few Muslims fighting for the Nazis (plus the whole Mufti thing). So it’s not as paradoxical as it may sound. Many on the alt-right want what they call “white Sharia”.

Oh no, it’s not paradoxical at all. It’s very easy to see how Anti-Semties would want to make radical Muslims their allies. It’s just one of those interesting differences within the right wing movement that fascinate me.

359
Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:30:13pm

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Take a look.

White Sharia Advertisement

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:32:24pm

re: #359 Nyet

Take a look.

[Embedded content]

Video

This isn’t satire?

361
DodgerFan1988  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:33:54pm

Wingnut Curt Schilling blaming Philando Castile for his own death, calls the cop who killed him the real victim.

362
BeachDem  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:34:18pm

re: #306 ObserverArt

A wiki link to a bit of further women’s aviation history.
Wiki - Jerry Mock

Jerry Mock, first woman to fly solo around the world, was the wife of one of my freelance client and then boss as I went to work for him in his small ad agency. Interesting couple, I heard lots of stories.

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Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:34:57pm

re: #360 HappyWarrior

It’s what passes for alt-right humor, but with a wink-wink-nudge-nudge.

364
HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:35:07pm

re: #361 DodgerFan1988

Wingnut Curt Schilling blaming Philando Castile for his own death, calls the cop who killed him the real victim.

[Embedded content]

Oh no, how dare they try someone who shooting someone. Fuck you, Curt, Castile’s life was more than ruined but hey let me hear more about how you’re not a racist and Adam Jones was just making up what happened to him at Fenway, you racist shithead.

365
HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:35:35pm

re: #363 Nyet

It’s what passes for alt-right humor, but with a wink-wink-nudge-nudge.

If you hadn’t told me, I would have honestly thought it was someone on the left poking fun at the alt right.

366
HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:38:48pm

To me the two big divides on the far right seem to be about economics, one group is fine with government programs but for white peoples only and the other more anti government and on the Jews. The one group is hostile to Jews, Jewish interests, & Israel while the other isn’t.

367
Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:39:25pm

A live learned disputed between Protestants, Catholics and Traditional Catholics about who of them is run by the rabbis and Jews. (Yes, they all hate the Jews.)

368
Nyet  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:40:08pm

re: #365 HappyWarrior

It’s from therightstuff

369
HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:41:03pm

re: #368 Nyet

It’s from therightstuff

Not familiar with them.

370
HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:41:58pm

re: #367 Nyet

A live learned disputed between Protestants, Catholics and Traditional Catholics about who of them is run by the rabbis and Jews. (Yes, they all hate the Jews.)

[Embedded content]

No, we hate the Jews more,
No, we hated them most first!

371
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:42:34pm
372
retired cynic  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:43:23pm

re: #311 Decatur Deb

I’ve moved to all-container, using $5.00 18 gallon totes in a grow tube. They’re drilled for drainage and watered with drip irrigators.

Do you have a photo of that? I’m not visualizing the grow tube, and it sounds like something I could use here!

373
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:43:31pm
374
stpaulbear  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:48:21pm

re: #361 DodgerFan1988

Wingnut Curt Schilling blaming Philando Castile for his own death, calls the cop who killed him the real victim.

[Embedded content]

Because black people don’t get second amendment rights.

Eugene Robinson at WaPo

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:52:39pm

re: #284 freetoken

It’s all a Jewish plot.

Well, God did create Heaven and Earth. Our idea of God originates with the Hebrew people.

So, logically, it is all a Jewish plot. //////

Note how useless logic can be when the premises are stupid.

376
Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 12:56:50pm

re: #352 Nyet

Dick is a neopaleocon ;)

That sounds like white, pink, and chocolate.

377
Romantic Heretic  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:04:52pm

re: #319 Eclectic Cyborg

Amazing to me that anti-fascist is now a term for the bad guys.

Not the first time.

In the 50s many people lost their jobs because they had fought on the Loyalist side during The Spanish Civil War. The term for them was “premature anti-fascists”.

378
Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:05:18pm

re: #372 retired cynic

Do you have a photo of that? I’m not visualizing the grow tube, and it sounds like something I could use here!

Did a page on it a long while back—looking for it now.

379
wrenchwench  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:07:21pm

re: #376 Decatur Deb

That sounds like white, pink, and chocolate.

Damnit. Now I want ice cream.

380
Romantic Heretic  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:12:02pm

re: #367 Nyet

A live learned disputed between Protestants, Catholics and Traditional Catholics about who of them is run by the rabbis and Jews. (Yes, they all hate the Jews.)

[Embedded content]

Good Christ! I lost ten IQ points just glancing at that!

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Decatur Deb  Jun 17, 2017 • 1:28:03pm

re: #372 retired cynic

Do you have a photo of that? I’m not visualizing the grow tube, and it sounds like something I could use here!

Found them:
littlegreenfootballs.com
littlegreenfootballs.com

Those photos are before the move to all-container. The basic house was 10X30’ , made of 1/2 inch PVC pipe, covered with 20X50’ of 6 mil construction vinyl. Cost of the ribbing was about $60, the cover $50 with a 2-3 winter life. The piping has lasted about 15 yrs. In summer it supports critter-proof netting.

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retired cynic  Jun 18, 2017 • 10:15:46pm

re: #381 Decatur Deb

Thank you, kind sir!


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