The Bob Cesca Show: The Most Powerful Eyes

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

The Most Powerful Eyes: Buzz Burbank from Buzz Burbank News and Comment is here; Trump stared into the Sun yesterday; Trump’s idiotic Afghanistan troop surge; Mystery war; Trump pledges to make Afghanistan pay for the war; Laura Ingraham and Breitbart aren’t happy; ‘We will fight to win’; Philip Rucker suckered by the alleged pivot; Trump and George W Bush; Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan embarrassed by Trump; Tina Fey and liberal infighting; and much more.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2017 • 10:51:11am
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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 10:51:42am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

The first letters spell IMPEACH.

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lawhawk  Aug 23, 2017 • 10:53:22am

Trump is too dull to get acrostics.

People need to explicitly come out and say what they want. They want Trump gone. He’s ruining the country and the only ones cheering him on are the white supremacists who are seeing their agenda moving ahead (immigration, border wall, and civil/voting rights getting rolled back for minorities).

The GOP continues enabling this. So long as they continue their support, they’re responsible too. And will forever be stained by this.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 23, 2017 • 10:54:06am

bbl

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Kragar  Aug 23, 2017 • 10:57:06am
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William Lewis  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:01:19am

Hey Anymouse, just so you see it.

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Kragar  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:02:28am
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Dr. Matt  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:03:26am

HRC was 100% correct when she called the Trump Nazis “deplorable”. She should have never apologized.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:06:47am

re: #8 Dr. Matt

HRC was 100% correct when she called the Trump Nazis “deplorable”. She should have never apologized.

I think she was too kind.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:08:14am

re: #7 Kragar

LMAO

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:08:31am
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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:09:02am
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meteor  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:09:41am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Yay!

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:09:59am

re: #8 Dr. Matt

HRC was 100% correct when she called the Trump Nazis “deplorable”. She should have never apologized.

I think that the half-empty venue last night reflects that perhaps only the half that she called deplorable are still at his rallies.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:17:42am

re: #14 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

I think that the half-empty venue last night reflects that perhaps only the half that she called deplorable are still at his rallies.

And the other half needs to start begging for forgiveness.

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Kragar  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:19:58am
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jaunte  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:21:30am
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lawhawk  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:21:31am
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Weaselone  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:24:55am

re: #16 Kragar

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Well, at least he’s not a Lannister.

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makeitstop  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:27:07am

Oh, so today he’s the good cop?

Fuck that guy.

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Kragar  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:29:03am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:29:50am

Wow! President Asshole blocked me on Twitter! Gosh, I don’t know why…

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:31:34am

re: #22 Joe Bacon 🌹

Wow! President Asshole blocked me on Twitter! Gosh, I don’t know why…

Call the ACLU; you can sue him!

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:32:22am

re: #22 Joe Bacon 🌹

Wow! President Asshole blocked me on Twitter! Gosh, I don’t know why…

I believe there is already a lawsuit. Google it and join it.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:32:43am

re: #22 Joe Bacon 🌹

Wow! President Asshole blocked me on Twitter! Gosh, I don’t know why…

You’re fake news!

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Kragar  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:32:56am

re: #22 Joe Bacon 🌹

Apparently my superpower is that I can’t be blocked by these assholes

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:35:48am

re: #26 Kragar

Apparently my superpower is that I can’t be blocked by these assholes

If the asshole blocked me if join that lawsuit in a NY minute. They say his Twitter feed is policy and I’m an American citizen being denied access to the government. Yup. I’d join in a second!

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Kragar  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:40:24am
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Jay C  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:41:37am

re: #14 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

re: #15 Dr. Matt

re: #21 Kragar

And yet, generally, mass-media coverage of Trump’s rally in Nuremberg Phoenix never mentioned these details. OK, trying to make reporting sense of his rambling gibberish probably taxed their brains too much (I know it did mine), but most reports I’ve seen scarcely touched on the facts that:
1. the venue was less-than-half-full
2. the crowd got thinner as The Idiot went on (and on and on….)
3. the crowd of anti-Trump protesters was way larger - and generally peaceful.
4. The Phoenix police seem to have concluded they needed to get rid of some excess tear gas: and “dispersed” the crowd of protesters (AFAICT) unnecessarily.
5. Breathless accounts of “left-wing violence” - as I saw on a few outlets last night - are purest BS.

ADD: Re. #21: “…his rage seemed to cloud his senses.” Swell words to see written referring to the President of the United States…
And I’m sure this won’t be the last time.

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Kragar  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:44:50am
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Belafon  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:45:37am

re: #28 Kragar

Save this for when someone tries to make a distinction between the KKK and Nazis.

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ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:48:05am

A little Civil War statue issue in Columbus.

Why Columbus? Well, we have a Civil War Cemetery for Confederate prisoners that were brought to Columbus. There has been a statue of a Confederate soldier at the entrance for years. I used to work near that part of the city and drove past that statue many a time.

I was wondering if it would be part of the ongoing statue issues. It appears it was.

Statue vandalized at Camp Chase Confederate Cemetery in west Columbus

COLUMBUS (WCMH) - Columbus Police are investigating after a Civil War Confederate soldier statue was vandalized at Camp Chase Cemetery on Tuesday.

So far, there are no suspects and the head of the unnamed bronze figure is still missing. It used to sit atop a 17-foot granite arch memorial. Police say the statue was found lying between graves. The remainder of the statue has been removed from the property.

“Because of what happened in Charlottesville I expected it to happen,” said 84-year-old veteran Earl “Wimpy” Potts.

Potts is also a member of the Hilltop Historical Society. He said while he doesn’t agree with memorializing the Confederacy, vandalism in the name of anti-racism isn’t right.

“To me, it’s a shame to think that I run into hate and instead of trying to promote love or something, I’m going to show hate too,” said Potts.

Local historian Jennie Keplar said she’s not disappointed that the statue is gone, but she’s disappointed in how it was done.

She said she’s sympathetic to removing statues glorifying the Confederacy, especially those in public squares and in plain sight.

“However, Camp Chase Cemetery is absolutely the ideal spot for ones of those statuaries,” said Keplar. “All the monuments, memorials, the walls it was created as an olive branch between the confederate and union veterans at the time.”

According to the National Cemetery Administration (cem.va.gov), Camp Chase was a Confederate POW camp during the Civil War. Later, a cemetery was established where there is now an estimated 2,168 remains in 2,122 grave sites.

Word spread quickly throughout the Hilltop, as people came to the cemetery to see what happened.

Veteran Chuck Machuga said he realizes some Confederate soldiers at have enlisted on their own volition, but he said he believes many were reluctant to fight.

“It’s too bad, really sad,” said Machuga. “I was in the military, didn’t want to be back in the Vietnam era and I’m sure a lot of these poor souls buried here didn’t want to be in a war either, victims of so-called leaders.”

Nicolas Gonzales is a Native American and veteran. He said while he doesn’t agree with the Confederacy, anywhere a veteran is buried is a sacred place.

“In my Native American culture you always honor the warriors from the other side, too,” he said. “So, I found this very repulsive to me when I heard about it on the internet and came out immediately to check it out and frankly, salute that soldier.”

Columbus Mayor Andrew Ginther issued this statement today:

“I understand that markers of the Confederacy bring pain to those fighting persistent racism in our community and across our country, but the destruction of property — and the desecration of any grave site — is unacceptable regardless who was interred. We must remain focused on productive, not destructive, action to bring about the change we seek and to further the fight for equality.”

The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs also issued a statement:

“Destruction and defacement of federal property is a serious crime, and VA is working with law enforcement officials to identify those responsible. VA is committed to maintaining our cemeteries as national shrines, and that includes repairing this statue, which was erected in 1902 as part of a peace and reconciliation effort led by wounded Union soldier William Knauss.”

The cemetery is now open again for its regular hours.

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lawhawk  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:49:16am
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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:49:58am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:53:03am

Trump is the guy who sets the house on fire and then talks up how awesome the flames are then complains about having to spend tax dollars on the Fire Department.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:54:52am

re: #22 Joe Bacon 🌹

Wow! President Asshole blocked me on Twitter! Gosh, I don’t know why…

I would expect nothing less.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:56:39am

re: #28 Kragar

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But don’t punch them.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:01:50pm
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lawhawk  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:04:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:05:39pm

re: #39 lawhawk

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I trust him.//

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:06:31pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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They’re too clever by half. They come across as petty and undermine the seriousness their writers intend to convey.

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:06:47pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

[full-scale mutiny]

That spells out what is needed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:07:51pm

We aren’t even one year into Trump yet and facing the prospect of 7 more.

It’s a tough stretch.

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sagehen  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:09:28pm

re: #31 Belafon

Save this for when someone tries to make a distinction between the KKK and Nazis.

The Nazis did, sadly, use Jim Crow policies and the published justifications for it as a basis for instituting, and defending, their own extermination efforts.

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Kragar  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:10:32pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:12:21pm

re: #45 Kragar

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Somebody got a “D” in his Dartmouth History class!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:12:56pm

re: #45 Kragar

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He ignores that there were anti slavery Democrats too. Dinesh should just shut up. What the Dems and GOP were 150 is irrelevant to the present especially since it’s Republicans defending the CSA and not Dems.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:13:15pm

Wow.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:13:26pm

re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg

We aren’t even one year into Trump yet and facing the prospect of 7 more.

It’s a tough stretch.

Three anyway. Presidents twenty points underwater in their approval ratings generally don’t get reelected.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:14:25pm

re: #49 Big Beautiful Door

Three anyway. Presidents twenty points underwater in their approval ratings generally don’t get reelected.

Yep. Still though.

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sagehen  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:15:24pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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Maybe that’s why Kelly is there. If Trump tries to launch a nuke, Kelly will leap across the desk and break his neck. If the Secret Service shoots him for it, or he ends up in prison… well, a lifelong soldier probably long ago accepted that death or imprisonment is a risk one accepts to defend one’s nation.

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Jay C  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:19:14pm

re: #49 Big Beautiful Door

Three anyway. Presidents twenty points underwater in their approval ratings generally don’t get reelected.

So, even assuming that Trump is still around in 2020, what are the Republicans going to do? Especially as his Permanent Campaign is likely to (naturally) still be there to push his name for primaries? Read him out of the Party? Back a rival candidate? Deny him the nomination? Yeah, The Yam is loathed by the majority of the populace, but unless said majority gets off their collective asses and gets out to put that loathing into action and vote, “approval ratings” don’t mean diddly. Or squat, either.

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lawhawk  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:20:39pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

What’s not surprising is that an African American man and several other people interceded to stop that righteous beatdown of a bigot by someone who stood up against bigotry. Good for them.

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nines09  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:21:05pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

Listen to the girl in grey. Girl in blue just kept on keeping on. Then got lit up like a Downtown Christmas Tree. Sweet. I don’t think that thin girl takes much crap.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:22:14pm

What hacks like D’Sousa do ignore is there were Democratic unionists and Democrats opposed to slavery. There were also Whigs (the forerunner of the GOP) that supported secession and slavery as well. The Republican Party, yes was opposed to slavery, that much is true but it also was a six year old party in 1860 too. I’ll be the first to say it. The Democratic Party of 1861 sucked and I would not wish to be a part of it but D’Sousa insults thousands of loyal Union men by claiming the Democratic Party as a whole is to blame for slavery and secession. Lincoln’s old rival, Stephen Douglass who was I might add dead wrong about the whole popular sovereignty idea (that states should be able to choose slavery through the ballot box) was a strong defender of the Union as was Andrew Jackson’s old protege, Martin Van Buren.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:23:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:23:37pm

re: #56 Stanley Sea

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Can’t wait to see David Duke’s hot take on this.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:24:55pm

Hank Aaron spoke out in defense of Colin Kaepernick. This is someone who knows racial abuse as well as any American. Thanks Mr. Aaron for speaking out.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:25:06pm

re: #52 Jay C

So, even assuming that Trump is still around in 2020, what are the Republicans going to do? Especially as his Permanent Campaign is likely to (naturally) still be there to push his name for primaries? Read him out of the Party? Back a rival candidate? Deny him the nomination? Yeah, The Yam is loathed by the majority of the populace, but unless said majority gets off their collective asses and gets out to put that loathing into action and vote, “approval ratings” don’t mean diddly. Or squat, either.

The nomination isn’t the election. In 2020, he is very unlikely to face a Democratic nominee as disliked as he is.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:26:06pm

re: #59 Big Beautiful Door

The nomination isn’t the election. In 2020, he is very unlikely to face a Democratic nominee as disliked as he is.

That’s why I’m optimistic about 2020. I just worry about what can happen between now and then. I also don’t see him taking a loss very well.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:28:52pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

That’s why I’m optimistic about 2020. I just worry about what can happen between now and then. I also don’t see him taking a loss very well.

Of course he won’t. He claimed there was massive voting fraud when he won; imagine how he’ll react when he loses in a landslide.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:29:43pm

re: #61 Big Beautiful Door

Of course he won’t. He claimed there was massive voting fraud when he won; imagine how he’ll react when he loses in a landslide.

Him and his base both gah.

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:30:11pm

re: #61 Big Beautiful Door

Of course he won’t. He claimed there was massive voting fraud when he won; imagine how he’ll react when he loses in a landslide.

I see a golden straight jacket in his future.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:31:52pm

re: #59 Big Beautiful Door

The nomination isn’t the election. In 2020, he is very unlikely to face a Democratic nominee as disliked as he is.

The Republicans are going to primary him.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:32:01pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

Him and his base both gah.

It makes me suspect that he may just claim he Made America Great Again and therefore he will choose to return to private life rather than face the prospect of a humiliating defeat.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:32:49pm

re: #65 Big Beautiful Door

It makes me suspect that he may just claim he Made America Great Again and therefore he will choose to return to private life rather than face the prospect of a humiliating defeat.

That’s certainly plausible.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:33:19pm

re: #64 MsJ

The Republicans are going to primary him.

Good luck with that. Trump is still popular with his GOP base.

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Dragonomics  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:33:51pm

Trump can’t go to re-election. He has to be removed swiftly, and without him having foreknowledge, otherwise… let’s just say I fear bad things.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:34:00pm

re: #64 MsJ

The Republicans are going to primary him.

He’s still popular with the base though.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:35:16pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:35:43pm

See, y’all say Trump won’t be re-elected in 2020 but what about the Russia factor?

Don’t think this can’t happen again.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:36:51pm

re: #70 electrotek

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Giant eye roll. Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson’s descendants are saying the same thing. Fuck off, Virginia GOP. Your party nearly nominated a man from Duluth who thinks he’s from Dixie.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:37:24pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Hank Aaron spoke out in defense of Colin Kaepernick. This is someone who knows racial abuse as well as any American. Thanks Mr. Aaron for speaking out.

I’m not going to lie, I was very upset in the wake of the election that Kaepernick didn’t even vote. I even referred to him as a “piece of shit” for refusing to do his civic duty then.

I still defended his right to protest, but I was flabbergasted that he would not even vote in such an important election of our lifetimes.

But it was my anger that was boiling upon Trump’s win that got the most of me, sadly.

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lawhawk  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:37:31pm

re: #70 electrotek

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:37:38pm

re: #71 Eclectic Cyborg

See, y’all say Trump won’t be re-elected in 2020 but what about the Russia factor?

Don’t think this can’t happen again.

I understand and am wary of it but you have to remember that even the Russians were surprised that Trump won and let’s face it Hillary was a very easy punching bag. He’s not going to luck out twice in that regard.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:38:35pm

re: #73 electrotek

I’m not going to lie, I was very upset in the wake of the election that Kaepernick didn’t even vote. I even referred to him as a “piece of shit” for refusing to do his civic duty then.

I still defended his right to protest, but I was flabbergasted that he would not even vote in such an important election of our lifetimes.

But it was my anger that was boiling upon Trump’s win that got the most of me, sadly.

Well you weren’t telling him that he didn’t have a right to protest like so many have. I disagreed with that position too. Glad Hank, who experienced his share of racism for daring to break a record by a white man is defending him.

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:38:43pm

re: #70 electrotek

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Ah the GOP, who decided that having a man lose an election over open racism was a fluke and they’re gonna try it again.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:38:53pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

Shit it looks like Twitter killed the tweet. The Nazis probably complained.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:39:28pm

re: #74 lawhawk

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I’m proud of Lt Governor Northam. He’s a fine man and their party nominated Ed Gillespie, seems like ultimate pot calling the kettle black by saying Ralph will say anything to be elected.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:40:47pm

re: #70 electrotek

.@RalphNortham has turned his back on his own family’s heritage in demanding monument removal (1/2)

— Virginia GOP (RPV)

FO VA GOP

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:41:26pm

While there’s nothing really new here, I like Mr. Roth’s way of saying it:

thebaffler.com

….Among the segment of the population that’s put off by things like a president refusing to forcefully condemn Nazi rioters, this has raised some uncomfortable questions about Trump’s beliefs. Does he really share any or many of the beliefs with the racists and nationalists and racist-nationalists who made his campaign their cause, or is this a political calculation against criticizing a small but important part of his base? Was his decision to defend statues of famous slave masters a reflection of his perspective on history, or maybe a darkly strategic reading of the national political mood? Did he not know that what he said was historically incoherent and obviously wrong? It’s right to wonder, but we should be past asking these questions about this man at this point. The most significant thing to know about Donald Trump’s politics or process, his beliefs or his calculations, is that he is an asshole; the only salient factor in any decision he makes is that he absolutely does not care about the interests of the parties involved except as they reflect upon him. Start with this, and you already know a lot. Start with this, and you already know that there are no real answers to any of these questions…..

(Sorry, may already have been posted)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:41:50pm

re: #80 Sir John Barron

FO VA GOP

I’m old enough to remember when I thought George Allen was the worst the VA GOP could offer. I guarantee you guys that Duluth Corey will be their nominee against Kaine for Senate especially if Gillespie loses.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:42:16pm

re: #71 Eclectic Cyborg

See, y’all say Trump won’t be re-elected in 2020 but what about the Russia factor?

Don’t think this can’t happen again.

Sure, but it wouldn’t have been enough without Comey’s October surprise, I don’t think. Its unlikely that the Democrats 2020 nominee will have all of the baggage Clinton had.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:43:49pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Well you weren’t telling him that he didn’t have a right to protest like so many have. I disagreed with that position too. Glad Hank, who experienced his share of racism for daring to break a record by a white man is defending him.

I’ll defend him on principle, but these tweets by Nathan Lean help explained how I felt about his decision a year ago:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:44:17pm

We’re at the point where a major state political party pretty much called the nominee of another party a race traitor.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:45:38pm

re: #84 electrotek

I’ll defend him on principle, but these tweets by Nathan Lean help explained how I felt about his decision a year ago:

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That’s what makes this country great. We can have different interpretations. I just think he doesn’t deserve to be blacklisted over it or be made out to be like he hates this country by people who wave the CSA flag.

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ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:45:56pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

He’s still popular with the base though.

That stupid base is not what won him the election.

It was the Hillary hater Democrats and Independents and those people that actually thought he was a jobs president and a war hater. Also the Hillary haters and Bernie lovers that voted for Stein and Johnson.

We need to remember he did not win the EC by that much and it was those people I listed that turned the election.

Let’s be realistic. I know Trump has a chance…but he won’t be any type of surprise candidate this time. The people that were Republicans that are now claiming to be Independents will be very key as they are not Trump supporters.

Let’s not be scared of Trump. Let’s work to beat him.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:46:55pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

He’s still popular with the base though.

Yes. But the base is small. The Republican party itself is shrinking. If they don’t do something they’re going to lose across the country. They barely hung on to Georgia. They lost Oklahoma. In two elections. They lost in several other states, too. Trump is killing the party.

Which I’m perfectly OK with.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:47:35pm

re: #87 ObserverArt

That stupid base is not what won him the election.

It was the Hillary hater Democrats and Independents and those people that actually thought he was a jobs president and a war hater. Also the Hillary haters and Bernie lovers that voted for Stein and Johnson.

We need to remember he did not win the EC by that much and it was those people I listed that turned the election.

Let’s be realistic. I know Trump has a chance…but he won’t be any type of surprise candidate this time. The people that were Republicans that are now claiming to be Independents will be very key as they are not Trump supporters.

Let’s not be scared of Trump. Let’s work to beat him.

No I was simply saying he’s got enough to win the primary since he’s still popular with the base. The GE doesn’t worry me so much as how much damage he can do between now and 2020.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:48:19pm

re: #88 MsJ

Yes. But the base is small. The Republican party itself is shrinking. If they don’t do something they’re going to lose across the country. They barely hung on to Georgia. They lost Oklahoma. In two elections. They lost in several other states, too. Trump is killing the party.

Which I’m perfectly OK with.

I’d be perfectly content with a divided GOzp convention too. We’ll see.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:49:51pm

Still not sure who I like best yet for a nominee. We got the rest of this, next year, & 2019 to look though.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:50:45pm

I’d love someone who can show the working class Trump is a conman but also be sensitive of the issues to minority communities as well and who isn’t going to be 80.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:52:10pm

Valerie Plame’s epic trolling of Shitler:

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:53:07pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Still not sure who I like best yet for a nominee. We got the rest of this, next year, & 2019 to look though.

I’m hoping we can come up with someone who isn’t old as dirt. And we need a person of color on the ticker, preferably the nominee, but at least the running mate. Tim Kaine is a nice guy, but I think that an all-white ticket is a bad look for the Democrats.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:53:58pm

re: #94 Big Beautiful Door

I’m hoping we can come up with someone who isn’t old as dirt. And we need a person of color on the ticker, preferably the nominee, but at least the running mate. Tim Kaine is a nice guy, but I think that an all-white ticket is a bad look for the Democrats.

Agreed.

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danarchy  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:54:30pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

That’s what makes this country great. We can have different interpretations. I just think he doesn’t deserve to be blacklisted over it or be made out to be like he hates this country by people who wave the CSA flag.

It’s said all the time, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. At the end of the day he is a mediocre quarterback who is going to bring a heap of controversy with him wherever he goes. If he was a top 10 quarterback he would be playing somewhere right now controversy or not. But who wants to deal with that controversy for someone who is likely to be a backup?

At the end of the day it is business owners making a business decision.

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Kragar  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:54:32pm
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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:55:08pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

That’s what makes this country great. We can have different interpretations. I just think he doesn’t deserve to be blacklisted over it or be made out to be like he hates this country by people who wave the CSA flag.

Yup. I also felt his heart was in the right place so I did not want to bash on him (except the post-election freakout of mine).

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:55:53pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:56:03pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Still not sure who I like best yet for a nominee. We got the rest of this, next year, & 2019 to look though.

Tammy Duckworth. Her entire life is an indictment of everything the modern Republican Party stands for.

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JordanRules  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:56:08pm

Taking his class would be a hoot!

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:56:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:56:51pm

re: #96 danarchy

It’s said all the time, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. At the end of the day he is a mediocre quarterback who is going to bring a heap of controversy with him wherever he goes. If he was a top 10 quarterback he would be playing somewhere right now controversy or not. But who wants to deal with that controversy for someone who is likely to be a backup?

At the end of the day it is business owners making a business decision.

True. It is a business decision and I can’t force the NFL owners to sign him but I think the hate he gets is undeserved. People wanted quiet and peaceful demonstrations against police violence and they got it. Plus the faux patriotism bs rubs me the wrong way.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:57:11pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

Tammy Duckworth. Her entire life is an indictment of everything the modern Republican Party stands for.

I really like her too!

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:57:43pm

Latest computer models of Tropical Storm Harvey:

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/09L_tracks_latest.png

I’m under all those scribbles and loop-de-loops, so even if it doesn’t make landfall here we will likely get hit on one of its trips back around.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:57:43pm

re: #102 electrotek

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These fucking people.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:57:57pm

re: #97 Kragar

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We’re sorry our dog whistle was loud enough for you guys to hear it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:58:22pm

re: #99 electrotek

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Christ.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:59:12pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

Tammy Duckworth. Her entire life is an indictment of everything the modern Republican Party stands for.

As much as it pains me to say this, America is not ready to elect a woman.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 12:59:27pm

re: #97 Kragar

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Bullshit Party of “Macaca” Allen, Stewart, and Cuccinelli.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:01:02pm

re: #109 MsJ

As much as it pains me to say this, America is not ready to elect a woman.

I disagree. Hillary would be President now if not for Russian hacking, Anthony Weiner and James Comey.

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BeachDem  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:01:04pm

JFC—it will never end

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:01:18pm

re: #31 Belafon

Save this for when someone tries to make a distinction between the KKK and Nazis.

Yes, the ‘we’ is telling.

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Interesting Times  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:01:45pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

Wow.

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Video still available, however (and I really, really want to know the full context now o_O)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:02:20pm

re: #112 BeachDem

JFC—it will never end

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And I don’t believe Roy Moore has a functioning brain. Fucking bigoted asshole. Hey Trump, you built this shit.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:02:33pm

re: #112 BeachDem

JFC—it will never end

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And they tell us to “get over Charlottesville”.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:03:13pm

re: #116 electrotek

And they tell us to “get over Charlottesville”.

These are people who still rag on Jimmy Carter 40 years after he left office.

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BeachDem  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:04:45pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

And I don’t believe Roy Moore has a functioning brain. Fucking bigoted asshole. Hey Trump, you built this shit.

Sad to say, the building of Roy Moore came long ago. Perhaps a foreteller of the yam’s ascension?

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:05:31pm

re: #112 BeachDem

JFC—it will never end

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:05:44pm

re: #118 BeachDem

Sad to say, the building of Roy Moore came long ago. Perhaps a foreteller of the yam’s ascension?

True that. I did mean the normalizing of Birtherism but I am sure Moore would have done it without or with Trump.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:06:12pm

re: #111 Big Beautiful Door

I disagree. Hillary would be President now if not for Russian hacking, Anthony Weiner and James Comey.

A dem needs to win red states. The electoral college is against us. A woman had a much harder road to hoe. I wish it wasn’t so but I think it is.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:06:19pm

re: #112 BeachDem

JFC—it will never end

Moore has odd beliefs, then.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:07:09pm

Alrighty then. Off to the lake to test my skills one more time. Looks like the showers are done for the time being.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:07:42pm

re: #121 MsJ

A dem needs to win red states. The electoral college is against us. A woman had a much harder road to hoe. I wish it wasn’t so but I think it is.

Well, who do you like? Not disagreeing or agreeing necessarily about women nominees. I do think Clinton was uniquely handicapped. Though at the same, you know me, I certainly don’t think Sanders would have fared any better. I liked O’Malley a lot on paper but he disappointed.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:07:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:08:30pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

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Yep. We can’t just keep on appeasing GOP voters bigotry.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:09:45pm
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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:10:14pm

re: #114 Interesting Times

Video still available, however (and I really, really want to know the full context now o_O)

Well that was some crazy shit.

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BeachDem  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:11:06pm


I Have No More Patience for Trump Supporters

You’re all suckers. You’re dim and you’re ignorant and you can’t even feel yourself sliding toward something that will surprise even you with its fundamental ugliness, something that everybody who can see past the veil of their emotions can see as plain as a church by daylight, to borrow a phrase from that Willie Shakespeare fella. The problem, of course, is that you, in your pathetic desire to be loved by a guy who wouldn’t have 15 seconds for you on the street, are dragging the rest of us toward that end, too.

esquire.com

My feelings exactly, Charlie (although my patience ran out last November.)

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:11:28pm

Prominent Russians do seem to die a lot these days…

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Interesting Times  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:11:59pm

re: #121 MsJ

A dem needs to win red states. The electoral college is against us. A woman had a much harder road to hoe. I wish it wasn’t so but I think it is.

Much as I hate to say it, I think a woman only has a chance in “modern” America if she’s incredibly good-looking. HRC - despite everything else - might very well have won if she looked like a fox-news AnchorBarbie (if only by attracting enough of the low-info durr hurr I’m just voting fer her cuz she’s HAWT!!! “alpha” male vote -_-)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:12:25pm

re: #112 BeachDem

JFC—it will never end

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I’m not surprised since a majority of folks in Alabama are probably hard core birthers. And they will be stupid enough to send Asshole Roy Moore to the Senate.

The only good thing that will come of that is the enldless trouble Moore will cause for McConnell!

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:13:07pm
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nines09  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:13:26pm

Completely OT, but I just learned something. Fordite.

Fordite, also known as Detroit agate or Motor Agate is old automobile paint which has hardened sufficiently to be cut and polished. It was formed from the buildup of layers of enamel paint slag on tracks and skids on which cars were hand spray-painted (a now automated process), which have been baked numerous times. In recent times the material has been upcycled into eco-friendly jewelry.

Wow.

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:13:50pm

re: #130 FormerDirtDart

Prominent Russians do seem to die a lot these days…

I wonder if he was on Steele’s list.

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:13:58pm

re: #121 MsJ

A dem needs to win red states. The electoral college is against us. A woman had a much harder road row to hoe. I wish it wasn’t so but I think it is.

For all the wimmins hoeing them rows. And all the moms making those memes.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:14:33pm

re: #114 Interesting Times

Video still available, however (and I really, really want to know the full context now o_O)

In one of his deleted tweets Austin said the woman in blue started off by complaining to one of the black guys about water in the elevator, then segued to some shit about Haitians and all black people yada yada. That’s when the skinny girl had enough and the rest is on video.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:15:01pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Well, who do you like? Not disagreeing or agreeing necessarily about women nominees. I do think Clinton was uniquely handicapped. Though at the same, you know me, I certainly don’t think Sanders would have fared any better. I liked O’Malley a lot on paper but he disappointed.

Honestly? If trump does wind up running again I like any white guy who’s not afraid to get up in Trump’s fucking grill. Because too many Americans suck and don’t like them coloreds or them wimmens or them gays. We (and I say that collectively as I’m one of Them) aren’t good enough for these assholes. And we have to win whatever it takes. Whether it’s trump or pence: We. Have. To. Win.

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Jebediah, RBG  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:16:09pm

re: #21 Kragar

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Regarding the tweeter’s handle, what the hell is a shartist?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:16:26pm

re: #138 MsJ

Honestly? If trump does wind up running again I like any white guy who’s not afraid to get up in Trump’s fucking grill. Because too many Americans suck and don’t like them coloreds or them wimmens or them gays. We (and I say that collectively as I’m one of Them) aren’t good enough for these assholes. And we have to win whatever it takes. Whether it’s trump or pence: We. Have. To. Win.

Okay fair enough. Hopefully we get a landslide. I know you agree with me here but I want Trump humiliated.

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nines09  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:16:28pm

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

Moral of the story? Don’t Fuck With Slim Shady….

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:16:48pm

re: #139 Jebediah, RBG

Regarding the tweeter’s handle, what the hell is a shartist?

urbandictionary.com

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Kragar  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:18:25pm

re: #139 Jebediah, RBG

I believe it was Impish Artist

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:19:05pm

re: #127 FormerDirtDart

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Just print a transcript of Trump’s ramblings then. That will make him look even worse.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:19:56pm

Um ok

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:20:01pm

Bicyclists can be complete scumbags just like anyone else.

Cyclist Charlie Alliston guilty over pedestrian’s death

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dangerman  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:20:44pm

i wrote part of this downstairs this AM:

Now ask yourselves this:
Why does he feel he has to lie to you like that?
Why does he think he can get away with it?
Why are you letting him?

If you don’t know, don’t care, or worst of all, don’t understand how he is actually manipulating you, then sadly, you deserve every hurt that he is laying on you.

so i’m adding:

maybe it’s because he conned you
conned you into supporting him
conned you into voting for him
keeps conning you to continue to support him

if you know you’ve been taken to the cleaners, down in your heart of hearts if you know you were conned, then how to explain your continued support?

i’m guessing you’re being the classic con victim - doubling down over and over, to each more outrageous situation, in the hope that eventually you’ll come out even and can walk away with the merest shred of self respect

you cant

quit now
abandon the asshole

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ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:21:05pm

re: #96 danarchy

It’s said all the time, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. At the end of the day he is a mediocre quarterback who is going to bring a heap of controversy with him wherever he goes. If he was a top 10 quarterback he would be playing somewhere right now controversy or not. But who wants to deal with that controversy for someone who is likely to be a backup?

At the end of the day it is business owners making a business decision.

Well, one type of a business decision might be to pick up Kaepernick as a backup and as a statement. The statement would be you as a team owner realize that a person has a right to protest and you are willing to stand by those rights.

It might put a feather in the cap of the owner and the team and play very well with probably 1/3 or more of the NFL fan base, the people of color that watch football and are watching the politics of the team owners.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:21:06pm

re: #136 wrenchwench

Row. Road. I’m from Chicago. What do I know about rows?

(Honestly, I had to think hard what that would mean with Row. It took me like several minutes. And my head had smoke pouring out of my ears from overheating. Too much thinking. I did not get the meaning. 😳)

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BeachDem  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:21:39pm

re: #133 FormerDirtDart

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Gerard probably thought it would be better to talk about golf courses, or the names of children or parties in the Hamptons or the kind words the WSJ had written about Jared—as they did when he and his gang had their last sit-down with the yam.

/vanityfair.com

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:22:17pm

re: #146 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Bicyclists can be complete scumbags just like anyone else.

Cyclist Charlie Alliston guilty over pedestrian’s death

Happened in San Francisco a few years ago. Cyclist pleaded guilty.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:22:46pm

re: #131 Interesting Times

Much as I hate to say it, I think a woman only has a chance in “modern” America if she’s incredibly good-looking. HRC - despite everything else - might very well have won if she looked like a fox-news AnchorBarbie (if only by attracting enough of the low-info durr hurr I’m just voting fer her cuz she’s HAWT!!! “alpha” male vote -_-)

No, I’ll say again, it took a whole lot of unlikely circumstances to come together to keep Hillary out of the White House. Trump needed a whole lot of help from Russians, Anthony Weiner and James Comey to thread the needle, and two of those are unlikely to be much help in 2020.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:23:25pm

re: #139 Jebediah, RBG

Regarding the tweeter’s handle, what the hell is a shartist?

Do not ask what you don’t want to know.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:27:18pm

re: #22 Joe Bacon 🌹

Wow! President Asshole blocked me on Twitter! Gosh, I don’t know why…

That’s probably illegal. See if you can join a lawsuit.

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ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:27:39pm

re: #109 MsJ

As much as it pains me to say this, America is not ready to elect a woman.

They well might be after this ‘man’ Trump has made everybody sick of him.

And a lot of male politicians are looking mighty weak these days. Can you say Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan?’

And some strong women helped hold off Trumpcare and again made some GOP men look mighty stupid.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:29:10pm

God, I miss the days when the biggest controversy was Malia Obama smoking weed at Lollapalooza.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:29:43pm
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BeachDem  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:30:31pm

re: #152 Big Beautiful Door

No, I’ll say again, it took a whole lot of unlikely circumstances to come together to keep Hillary out of the White House. Trump needed a whole lot of help from Russians, Anthony Weiner and James Comey to thread the needle, and two of those are unlikely to be much help in 2020.

And yet…

Why is it so important to so many people that Clinton perform a ritual of self-abasement?

If you don’t recall a chorus of angry calls for Mitt Romney or John McCain or John Kerry or Al Gore to get down on their knees and beg forgiveness for their failures every time they appeared in public after losing their presidential elections, that’s because it didn’t happen. Only Hillary Clinton is subject to this demand.

washingtonpost.com

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ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:33:57pm

re: #121 MsJ

A dem needs to win red states. The electoral college is against us. A woman had a much harder road to hoe. I wish it wasn’t so but I think it is.

I would not recommend hoeing a road. Concrete and asphalt are tough on the metal blade.

However, if you have some weeds in the ‘row’ of your garden between rows of plants…have at it!

: )

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:34:16pm

re: #158 BeachDem

And yet…

Why is it so important to so many people that Clinton perform a ritual of self-abasement?

If you don’t recall a chorus of angry calls for Mitt Romney or John McCain or John Kerry or Al Gore to get down on their knees and beg forgiveness for their failures every time they appeared in public after losing their presidential elections, that’s because it didn’t happen. Only Hillary Clinton is subject to this demand.

washingtonpost.com

That’s going to be an interesting thing about the new Doctor, and I hope they play on it a few times, this idea that she’ll need to be sorry.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:34:34pm

re: #155 ObserverArt

They well might be after this ‘man’ Trump has made everybody sick of him.

And a lot of male politicians are looking mighty weak these days. Can you say Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan.’

And some strong women helped hold off Trumpcare and again made some GOP men look mighty stupid.

I wish it were so. Truly I do.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:34:47pm

re: #152 Big Beautiful Door

No, I’ll say again, it took a whole lot of unlikely circumstances to come together to keep Hillary out of the White House. Trump needed a whole lot of help from Russians, Anthony Weiner and James Comey to thread the needle, and two of those are unlikely to be much help in 2020.

And a whole constellation of “little” helpers. Piss Christ was enough to keep HRC out of the White House.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:36:47pm

re: #146 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Bicyclists can be complete scumbags just like anyone else.

Cyclist Charlie Alliston guilty over pedestrian’s death

Daughter1 is a mad cyclist, organizes races, has bikes that cost more than my truck. She assures me that scumbags are wildly over-represented among cyclists.

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KGxvi  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:37:49pm

re: #109 MsJ

As much as it pains me to say this, America is not ready to elect a woman.

2009, we were still saying that about a black man. Hillary Clinton had 30 years of baggage to overcome, that’s tough for any politician to do (there’s a reason she lost the nomination in 2008 and struggled in the 2016 primary). I would not be surprised to see the Democrats nominate a woman in 2020, and I would not be surprised if she won.

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:38:56pm

re: #163 Decatur Deb

Daughter1 is a mad cyclist, organizes races, has bikes that cost more than my truck. She assures me that scumbags are wildly over-represented among cyclists.

Except those cyclists who lack the license to drive a car. Fewer scumbags, though they exist.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:39:36pm

re: #152 Big Beautiful Door

No, I’ll say again, it took a whole lot of unlikely circumstances to come together to keep Hillary out of the White House. Trump needed a whole lot of help from Russians, Anthony Weiner and James Comey to thread the needle, and two of those are unlikely to be much help in 2020.

And a media that focused on damaging Clinton.

Think what happened in 2000, the last time a Democrat who won the popular vote “lost” the electoral vote. If Elian Gonzalez mother had not made that fateful journey from Cuba, Bush would never have been President and Gore would have won the state with a sufficient margin, despite the widespread voter suppression. Something unexpected — that always seems more damaging to Democrats — seems to strike when we are running for the Presidency. Or perhaps, we are just not as effective in deflecting the bad news onto the other side.
— minor edit

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:39:50pm

re: #165 wrenchwench

Except those cyclists who lack the license to drive a car. Fewer scumbags, though they exist.

We have those around here. We call them “DUIs”.

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:41:13pm

re: #167 Decatur Deb

We have those around here. We call them “DUIs”.

That covers one sub-category.

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makeitstop  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:41:50pm

Last day in Halifax. We went to the Maritime Museum, a pretty cool place where I came face to face with one of the most popular cliches ever.

.

We didn’t try to re-arrange it. More pics later, if I have time.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:42:11pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

That covers one sub-category.

Occam’s Boneshaker.

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KGxvi  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:42:51pm

re: #158 BeachDem

And yet…

Why is it so important to so many people that Clinton perform a ritual of self-abasement?

If you don’t recall a chorus of angry calls for Mitt Romney or John McCain or John Kerry or Al Gore to get down on their knees and beg forgiveness for their failures every time they appeared in public after losing their presidential elections, that’s because it didn’t happen. Only Hillary Clinton is subject to this demand.

washingtonpost.com

Only Hillary Clinton lost to a completely unprepared, unqualified, dithering old racist with no political experience. Gore lost to a governor of a large state, McCain lost to a fellow Senator, Romney and Kerry lost to incumbent presidents - their opponents, whether you liked them or not, were at least within the bounds of decency and competence we expect from a President of these United States. Hillary Clinton’s loss is the New England Patriots losing to a Division III college team, or Manchester United losing to a midlevel team in the National League

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:44:16pm

Not as tough as the case of John Fogerty plagiarizing himself.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:48:29pm

re: #146 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Bicyclists can be complete scumbags just like anyone else.

Cyclist Charlie Alliston guilty over pedestrian’s death

Fucking hipsters and their fixies.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:49:07pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

In the same vein, but hilariously so:

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:50:22pm

re: #171 KGxvi

Only Hillary Clinton lost to a completely unprepared, unqualified, dithering old racist with no political experience. Gore lost to a governor of a large state, McCain lost to a fellow Senator, Romney and Kerry lost to incumbent presidents - their opponents, whether you liked them or not, were at least within the bounds of decency and competence we expect from a President of these United States. Hillary Clinton’s loss is the New England Patriots losing to a Division III college team, or Manchester United losing to a midlevel team in the National League

As seen on TV:

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lawhawk  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:51:35pm

Still more of that Confederate/white privilege bigotry:

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makeitstop  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:51:51pm

A friend on Facebook just absolutely nailed who Trump reading his statements back reminded me of…

Lenny Bruce reading his court transcripts back at club gigs.

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danarchy  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:52:44pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

Not as tough as the case of John Fogerty plagiarizing himself.

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I think Dave Davies needs to chill out a little bit. Give the company a little bit to respond. A couple hours, a real person may not have even had a chance to read his support request yet. Complaining that a free service isn’t responding RIGHT NOW seems like entitled BS to me. If you give them 24-48 hours and still nothing then maybe you can go ballistic and let loose the twitter flying monkeys.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:53:36pm

re: #171 KGxvi

Hillary Clinton’s loss is the New England Patriots losing to a Division III college team, or Manchester United losing to a midlevel team in the National League

….or the Detroit Lions. :|

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:53:38pm

Holy shit

A rock concert in the Dutch city of Rotterdam has been cancelled and a bus containing gas canisters found nearby after a tip-off from Spanish police, the city’s mayor says.

The driver of the Spain-registered bus was detained by police, Mayor Ahmed Aboutaleb told journalists.

The Maassilo venue said a gig by US band Allah-Las had been cancelled in connection with a terror threat.

Mr Aboutaleb said it was not clear if the van and the threat were linked.
Police wearing bulletproof vests were at the venue, which was evacuated and concertgoers were turned away, reports said.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:54:28pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

And I don’t believe Roy Moore has a functioning brain. Fucking bigoted asshole. Hey Trump, you built this shit.

No. Trump couldn’t even build a sandcastle. Trump merely hijacked the hate train.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:54:48pm

re: #131 Interesting Times

Much as I hate to say it, I think a woman only has a chance in “modern” America if she’s incredibly good-looking. HRC - despite everything else - might very well have won if she looked like a fox-news AnchorBarbie (if only by attracting enough of the low-info durr hurr I’m just voting fer her cuz she’s HAWT!!! “alpha” male vote -_-)

Hillary was cute at one time. Any woman with enough experience to be President is not going to look like a Fox Spokesmodel.

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:55:52pm

re: #178 danarchy

I think Dave Davies needs to chill out a little bit. Give the company a little bit to respond. A couple hours, a real person may not have even had a chance to read his support request yet. Complaining that a free service isn’t responding RIGHT NOW seems like entitled BS to me. If you give them 24-48 hours and still nothing then maybe you can go ballistic and let loose the twitter flying monkeys.

He’s all set.

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ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:56:11pm

re: #171 KGxvi

Only Hillary Clinton lost to a completely unprepared, unqualified, dithering old racist with no political experience. Gore lost to a governor of a large state, McCain lost to a fellow Senator, Romney and Kerry lost to incumbent presidents - their opponents, whether you liked them or not, were at least within the bounds of decency and competence we expect from a President of these United States. Hillary Clinton’s loss is the New England Patriots losing to a Division III college team, or Manchester United losing to a midlevel team in the National League

If you are going to go with that as an argument, then what was the entire cast of 15 or so other GOP candidates? Trump rolled over the GOP like they were a high school team.

I look at Trump as a phenomena that came at the right time and with outside help unknown in technique for stealing an election. He was the perfect storm.

I think you are being a little hard on Hillary and might be making some of the counterpoints to the debate, such as is she being judged differently than a man?

Did she have any more political baggage than say Dick Nixon? He was crushed in ‘60, was not all that well liked and came back and won in ‘68. But then, he was a man, so he may have been ‘allowed’ to make mistakes.

Of course Nixon didn’t have Twitter and Fox news…and Russians acting like Nixon supporters.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:57:23pm

re: #156 Ace Rothstein

God, I miss the days when the biggest controversy was Malia Obama smoking weed at Lollapalooza.

How is that a controversy? Was it shitty weed?

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Weaselone  Aug 23, 2017 • 1:58:46pm

re: #171 KGxvi

Only Hillary Clinton lost to a completely unprepared, unqualified, dithering old racist with no political experience. Gore lost to a governor of a large state, McCain lost to a fellow Senator, Romney and Kerry lost to incumbent presidents - their opponents, whether you liked them or not, were at least within the bounds of decency and competence we expect from a President of these United States. Hillary Clinton’s loss is the New England Patriots losing to a Division III college team, or Manchester United losing to a midlevel team in the National League

Your analogy only holds if
1. The New England Patriots show up to the game only to find out they’re playing soccer and Manchester shows up and realizes they’re playing American football.
2. The referees not only disproportionately penalize Manchester and the Patriots, but also make up rules on the spot and go out of their way to obstruct and injure those teams’ players
3. Players from Real Madrid and whatever team Peyton Manning is playing for show up to assist their respective opponents
4. In the final minutes of the game, stadium security comes onto the field and beats the tar out of all the Patriots and United players on the field.

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:01:06pm

re: #185 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

How is that a controversy? Was it shitty weed?

It was only controversial because her grandmother lived in government housing. (The White House)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:02:17pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

It was only controversial because her grandmother lived in government housing. (The White House)

Someone should point that out to Trump.

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danarchy  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:03:05pm

re: #186 Weaselone

Your analogy only holds if
3. Players from Real Madrid and whatever team Peyton Manning is playing for show up to assist their respective opponents

Just FYI, he’s retired.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:04:14pm

re: #185 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

How is that a controversy? Was it shitty weed?

Secret Service was holding for her? That would be cool.

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:04:31pm

re: #188 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Someone should point that out to Trump.

They did. That’s why he spends as little time there as possible. And had the wallpaper changed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:05:14pm

re: #59 Big Beautiful Door

The nomination isn’t the election. In 2020, he is very unlikely to face a Democratic nominee as disliked as he is.

The GOP is gonna step up its voter suppression bigly.

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:08:23pm

An internet-only office supply place just sent out a flesh-and-blood salesman on my street.

What is this world coming to?

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:08:26pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

From the girl in grey.

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Did she say what precipitated the fight?

Fwiw, I thought the blue dressed gal deserved it just for getting in the other girls face. Don’t come at me aggressively and fucking lay your hands on me without expecting some shit.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:09:15pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:10:05pm

re: #171 KGxvi

Only Hillary Clinton lost to a completely unprepared, unqualified, dithering old racist with no political experience. Gore lost to a governor of a large state, McCain lost to a fellow Senator, Romney and Kerry lost to incumbent presidents - their opponents, whether you liked them or not, were at least within the bounds of decency and competence we expect from a President of these United States. Hillary Clinton’s loss is the New England Patriots losing to a Division III college team, or Manchester United losing to a midlevel team in the National League

Except she didn’t lose to Trump alone. She lost to the combined forces of the NY branch of the FBI, James Comey, the Russian government abetted by Sanders, Stein, Wikileaks, the Intercept bros and the rest of the useful idiot leftists, along with a complicit corporate media more concerned with creating balance and generating ratings horserace ad revenue by incessantly covering her manufactured email scandal than assessing the two candidates honestly. Her loss was more like a lion being taken down by a pack of hyenas. One on one she could’ve destroyed Trump, but unfortunately she was never really allowed the chance.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:10:13pm

re: #159 ObserverArt

I would not recommend hoeing a road. Concrete and asphalt are tough on the metal blade.

However, if you have some weeds in the ‘row’ of your garden between rows of plants…have at it!

: )

Hey. You have to hoe it *before* you pave it! No?

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:11:05pm

re: #164 KGxvi

2009, we were still saying that about a black man. Hillary Clinton had 30 years of baggage to overcome, that’s tough for any politician to do (there’s a reason she lost the nomination in 2008 and struggled in the 2016 primary). I would not be surprised to see the Democrats nominate a woman in 2020, and I would not be surprised if she won.

From your keyboard…, my friend.

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:12:06pm

re: #197 MsJ

Hey. You have to hoe it *before* you pave it! No?

Only if you’re paving with cobblestones.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:14:17pm

re: #171 KGxvi

Only Hillary Clinton lost to a completely unprepared, unqualified, dithering old racist with no political experience. Gore lost to a governor of a large state, McCain lost to a fellow Senator, Romney and Kerry lost to incumbent presidents - their opponents, whether you liked them or not, were at least within the bounds of decency and competence we expect from a President of these United States. Hillary Clinton’s loss is the New England Patriots losing to a Division III college team, or Manchester United losing to a midlevel team in the National League

An unprepared and unqualified asshole who vaguely promised everything to everyone, who appeared to be fighting for them - whatever their issue was. Who is a known celebrity. And known for his business acumen. It was an election of personalities. And lies.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:19:27pm

Bad signal.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:21:31pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

Only if you’re paving with cobblestones.

Dammed Chicago public school education. 😂

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JordanRules  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:21:55pm

Far as I’m concerned we already had a women win (fuck yoouuuu electoral college) so damn right we can do it again. We can do it with voter suppression beaten back, no more damn cheating and treason, and by propaganda being reined in.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:22:17pm
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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:23:24pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:26:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:26:33pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

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If Roger Stone thinks you’re a demented asshole.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:27:23pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

If Roger Stone thinks you’re a demented asshole.

Kinda like Satan saying you’re a bad guy.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:28:48pm

re: #208 MsJ

Kinda like Satan saying you’re a bad guy.

or Nixon saying you’re paranoid.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:29:03pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

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We’re just waiting to hear Ginger Snapped threaten to sue Roger Stone…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:29:55pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

Not defending upChuck, but Stone is upChuck without the crippling autism.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:30:52pm

re: #211 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Not defending upChuck, but Stone is upChuck without the crippling autism.

The only thing Stone is proud of is the Nixon Tramp Stamp on his back.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:31:17pm

Roger Stone and Chuck C. Johnson deserve each other.

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JordanRules  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:32:30pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:33:57pm

re: #169 makeitstop

Last day in Halifax. We went to the Maritime Museum, a pretty cool place where I came face to face with one of the most popular cliches ever.

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We didn’t try to re-arrange it. More pics later, if I have time.

Did you visit the Titanic graveyard as well?

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:34:00pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

Your link doesn’t work.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:35:11pm

re: #214 JordanRules

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Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:35:41pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

Roger Stone and Chuck C. Johnson deserve each other.

They’re more similar than Roger will admit. I suspect Roger’s problem with Chuck is his autism and lack of any social skills.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:36:16pm

re: #214 JordanRules

Right.

I’m off to blow-torch my frontal lobes and see if that makes me un-read those tweets.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:36:17pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

They’re more similar than Roger will admit. I suspect Roger’s problem with Chuck is his autism and lack of any social skills.

A Real Life Odd Couple…

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Bubblehead II  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:36:51pm

re: #182 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Hillary was cute at one time. Any woman with enough experience to be President is not going to look like a Fox Spokesmodel.

Margret Thatcher, Angela Merkel kinda come to mind.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:40:35pm

re: #214 JordanRules

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Holy Shaving Cream! I’ve lived a sheltered life…

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:44:19pm

re: #222 Joe Bacon 🌹

On the bright side, my childhood infatuation for Velma on Scooby Doo suddenly feels comparatively innocent.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:44:57pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:46:24pm

re: #224 FormerDirtDart

Florida to execute a white man for killing black person for the first time ever

Kind of progress we can live without.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:47:42pm

re: #73 electrotek

You’re correct to be upset with Kaepernick for not voting though. If our side doesn’t vote, we’re going to continue to have awful Presidents like Trump and politicians.

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JordanRules  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:48:47pm

In the replies there is an interesting discussion about the possible intentions of the headline.
The photo they used is striking.
I was there yesterday and had a great time protesting peacefully with so many sane folks. I got a little heat sickness after though. It was so damn hot!

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JordanRules  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:49:26pm

re: #227 JordanRules

Copy/Paste fail:

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TedStriker  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:52:50pm

re: #223 The Ghost of a Flea

On the bright side, my childhood infatuation for Velma on Scooby Doo suddenly feels comparatively innocent.

Hey, ain’t nothing wrong with Velma; nerd grrrls can be very hot (see: Danica McKellar and Natalie Portman)

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:53:50pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

We’re at the point where a major state political party pretty much called the nominee of another party a race traitor.

Yep. And that’s a winning strategy for Republican candidates. Says it all about the state of the Republican party and race relations.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:53:58pm
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makeitstop  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:54:27pm

re: #215 Eclectic Cyborg

Did you visit the Titanic graveyard as well?

No, didn’t get to do that. After we came out of the museum it started pouring rain, so we beat it back to the hotel.

Gotta pack anyway, and the Godfather marathon is on.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:54:32pm

Building a future for all the little Stankleys.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:54:46pm
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sagehen  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:55:56pm

re: #166 Hecuba’s daughter

Something unexpected — that always seems more damaging to Democrats — seems to strike when we are running for the Presidency. Or perhaps, we are just not as effective in deflecting the bad news onto the other side.
— minor edit

Fox News, talk radio, the right-wing webosphere (which in 2000 was only Drudge, but.) are a hive-mind directed by the Heritage Foundation and Koch organizations; they’re pretty nimble about coordinated response, en masse, to the unexpected.

Getting Democrats and their supporters to march in formation is like herding cats.

(ETA: and the Evangelical organizations. Even if people don’t listen to TV, radio or read anything… how many ears are sitting in pews on Sunday when all the pastors have been told by their Denominational Authority to all give the same sermon?)

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KGxvi  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:56:09pm

re: #184 ObserverArt

If you are going to go with that as an argument, then what was the entire cast of 15 or so other GOP candidates? Trump rolled over the GOP like they were a high school team.

I look at Trump as a phenomena that came at the right time and with outside help unknown in technique for stealing an election. He was the perfect storm.

I think you are being a little hard on Hillary and might be making some of the counterpoints to the debate, such as is she being judged differently than a man?

Did she have any more political baggage than say Dick Nixon? He was crushed in ‘60, was not all that well liked and came back and won in ‘68. But then, he was a man, so he may have been ‘allowed’ to make mistakes.

Of course Nixon didn’t have Twitter and Fox news…and Russians acting like Nixon supporters.

The GOP primary contenders have the “advantage” of being in the same party as Trump, though they should also be embarassed that they lost to Trump.

Nixon was pyshcologically crushed in 1960, but the election was fairly close. He lost the popular vote by less than half a percent, carried 26 states, and the electoral college was 303-219 with 15 votes going to Byrd. Nixon did come back to win the GOP nomination in ‘68, but his general election win was probably as much a string of improbably results as Trump’s general election win (you have LBJ declining to run, you have RFK’s assassination, and you have the madness that was the ‘68 DNC).

Maybe I’m being to hard on Clinton. Maybe Trump’s election was bound to happen, and a political Voltron of Hamilton, FDR, Lincoln, Reagan, and Obama couldn’t beat him. But I’ve never been a vocal supporter of Hillary Clinton, and campaigns built on inevitability as her two presidential campaigns were always grate me.

I’ll also say this: I think the fixation on Clinton, and the apparent need to see her apologize for losing or whatever it is, probably says more about us than it does about her. She didn’t let us down. She is who she has always been: a slightly too cautious, center-left wonk. We let ourselves down by not demanding more of our politicians.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:56:54pm

re: #97 Kragar

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LOL!! No VA GOP, your tweet perfectly encapsulates what is wrong with the Republican Party. You’re a party for White people and White causes including slave holders. Don’t apologize for who you are.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:58:12pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:58:17pm

re: #45 Kragar

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:59:38pm
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2017 • 2:59:51pm

re: #101 JordanRules

Cool. I’m an Howard alumni. I’m sure Comey’s class is going to be cram packed and in high demand.

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:01:30pm

re: #236 KGxvi

campaigns built on inevitability as her two presidential campaigns were always grate me.

The ‘built on inevitability’ was a picture painted by foes, IMHO.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:03:30pm

re: #216 Patricia Kayden

Your link doesn’t work.

Twitter killed the tweet.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:04:33pm

re: #242 wrenchwench

The ‘built on inevitability’ was a picture painted by foes, IMHO.

It was a campaign built on Who-The-Hell-Else-And-Don’t-Give-Me-That-Socialist-Bullshit.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:05:14pm

re: #243 Bubblehead II

Someone already uploaded it to youtube.

Racist woman gets beat in hotel lobby - Funny fight

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ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:06:39pm

re: #242 wrenchwench

The ‘built on inevitability’ was a picture painted by foes, IMHO.

Some of that picture was bought by the Democratic voter base. I heard too many people on the left talk about all her baggage and that she was an inevitable candidate and they didn’t like it, thinking the Democrats were shoving her down their throats. And then there was the “shrill, cackle, harpy” stuff too.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:09:12pm

re: #245 A dark and stormy covfefe

Someone already uploaded it to youtube.

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Saved by two black guys and a white dude with a man-bun.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:09:40pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

It was a campaign built on Who-The-Hell-Else-And-Don’t-Give-Me-That-Socialist-Bullshit.

Who the hell else is a big problem. Losing the presidency to tr*mp was a disaster, but the fact that Republicans control both houses of Congress and have a lot of power at the state level is instant proof that the problem is much deeper than the presidential race of 2016.

Edited to add: The lack of Democrats in office at the state level and in Congress reduces the available pool of candidates for higher office.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:18:04pm

In all this discussion about the loss, saw something go by on Twitter today about a poll looking at how many Bernie supporters in the primary ended up voting for Trump in the general.

He had a thread elaborating on some of this today:

Poor guy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:19:47pm

re: #231 jaunte

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OK, that one made me totally laugh out loud.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:20:26pm

re: #231 jaunte

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Is that Zippy The Pinhead’s brother?

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:20:30pm

re: #169 makeitstop

Last day in Halifax. We went to the Maritime Museum, a pretty cool place where I came face to face with one of the most popular cliches ever.

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We didn’t try to re-arrange it. More pics later, if I have time.

Halifax, Nova Scotia? Would love to go there since I’ve never been to any of the provinces beyond Ontario (grew up there) and Quebec.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:20:38pm

re: #249 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Somehow I suspect that we didn’t have ~10% of Cruz or Rubio voters in the GOP primary vote for Clinton in the general election.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:20:47pm

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wearing his hair in a “lesshawk”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:21:14pm

re: #249 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In all this discussion about the loss, saw something go by on Twitter today about a poll looking at how many Bernie supporters in the primary ended up voting for Trump in the general.

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Proposes a fairly high cohort of ratfuckers among the voters in the Dem primaries.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:22:21pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:27:32pm

re: #253 EPR-radar

Somehow I suspect that we didn’t have ~10% of Cruz or Rubio voters in the GOP primary vote for Clinton in the general election.

Checking his timeline says that we did get 11% of Rubio voters and 34% of Kaisch voters, supposedly.

The problem is, of course, a question of proportions.

re: #255 Decatur Deb

Proposes a fairly high cohort of ratfuckers among the voters in the Dem primaries.

I really hesitate to use that excuse because it has a tendency to wipe all the nuance out of the discussion. His thread goes into some of the beliefs that seem to drive the crossover voters, and the biggest indicator was feeling that whites are unfairly discriminated against. That problem might be more common on the right but is by no means nonexistent on the left.

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Mike Lamb  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:27:54pm

re: #238 jaunte

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AKA, it will be withheld from disclosure based on a party line vote.

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dangerman  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:27:56pm

re: #246 ObserverArt

Some of that picture was bought by the Democratic voter base. I heard too many people on the left talk about all her baggage and that she was an inevitable candidate and they didn’t like it, thinking the Democrats were shoving her down their throats. And then there was the “shrill, cackle, harpy” stuff too.

just kinda parachuting in out of nowhere
baggage, inevitability, too smart, too cautious, quite the resume, a woman, on and on and on

not a lot of dem candidates ran in the primary
she beat everyone who did run
in the general it was her or trump

really simple

i think she would have made an outstanding president. i dont know if she would have been hamstrung as obama was or if she would have, could have worked around some of it. she would have made mistakes. she would have done lots of things that *some* people wouldnt have liked. she would have been a presidential president. she would not have been an (inter)national embarrassment.

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makeitstop  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:28:30pm

re: #252 Patricia Kayden

Halifax, Nova Scotia? Would love to go there since I’ve never been to any of the provinces beyond Ontario (grew up there) and Quebec.

It’s absolutely beautiful here. We rented an apartment right on the Narrows in Halifax Harbor. The Seaport and tourist area is literally at our front door.

On Tuesday we rented a car and drove out to the Bay of Fundy and spent the day driving through the countryside. Lots of forest, lots of lakes. We ended up in Lunenburg, a beautiful little fishing town with an amazing historic area where we avoided the eclipse.

I’d come back here in a minute. It was a fantastic vacation.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:29:54pm

re: #231 jaunte

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46 years old? In dog years? I’m 48. No dang way is he younger than me!

Hate makes you prematurely old.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:31:34pm

re: #260 makeitstop

It’s absolutely beautiful here. We rented an apartment right on the Narrows in Halifax Harbor. The Seaport and tourist area is literally at our front door.

On Tuesday we rented a car and drove out to the Bay of Fundy and spent the day driving through the countryside. Lots of forest, lots of lakes. We ended up in Lunenburg, a beautiful little fishing town with an amazing historic area where we avoided the eclipse.

I’d come back here in a minute. It was a fantastic vacation.

Did you visit Hope for Wildlife?

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:31:39pm

re: #260 makeitstop

Great. Glad you had such a nice time. I need to put that on my bucket list of places to visit.

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:33:40pm

re: #261 Patricia Kayden

46 years old? In dog years? I’m 48. No dang way is he younger than me!

Hate makes you prematurely old.

That makes him Hatey McHateface.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:34:33pm

re: #176 lawhawk

Still more of that Confederate/white privilege bigotry:

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It must be the tie-dyed shirt.
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Jay C  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:35:33pm

re: #231 jaunte

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Jeez! That assclown is only 46?
I’m (just barely) old enough to be his father - and (not patting myself on the back too much) look better and younger that THAT!

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ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:36:19pm

re: #251 Joe Bacon 🌹

Is that Zippy The Pinhead’s brother?

Might be Trey Gowdy’s.

Let’s take a break from this hearing and pass out the Ding Dongs!
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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:36:31pm

re: #231 jaunte

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And THESE are the people that profess to save Western civilization?????

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austin_blue  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:38:03pm

re: #266 Jay C

Jeez! That assclown is only 46?
I’m (just barely) old enough to be his father - and (not patting myself on the back too much) look better and younger that THAT!

Jim Wright is correct. That hunk of man flesh is just hot as a rocket!

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dangerman  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:38:56pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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re that “IMPEACH” resignation letter -

i just tried it

if you put it on a turntable and play it backwards it says “trump’s an asshole”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:41:16pm

I’d say that if you just went by policy positions, you would not see Clinton => McCain voters as equivalent to Sanders => Trump. Arguably, Clinton stood to the Right of Obama, putting her between the two. Sanders was to the LEFT of Clinton, further away from Trump.

That’s just policy positions, though, and leaves out the nature of s chunk of Sanders’ support.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:42:33pm

re: #266 Jay C

Jeez! That assclown is only 46?
I’m (just barely) old enough to be his father - and (not patting myself on the back too much) look better and younger that THAT!

He seems to be one of those guys who believes in white supremacy because on a level playing field he’d be screwed.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:43:10pm

re: #190 Decatur Deb

Secret Service was holding for her? That would be cool.

Some of the SS party stories makes me think you may be right.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:43:17pm

re: #271 dangerman

re that “IMPEACH” resignation letter -

i just tried it

if you put it on a turntable and play it backwards it says “trump’s an asshole”

And fucks up your needle.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:46:19pm

re: #257 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Checking his timeline says that we did get 11% of Rubio voters and 34% of Kaisch voters, supposedly.

The problem is, of course, a question of proportions.

I really hesitate to use that excuse because it has a tendency to wipe all the nuance out of the discussion. His thread goes into some of the beliefs that seem to drive the crossover voters, and the biggest indicator was feeling that whites are unfairly discriminated against. That problem might be more common on the right but is by no means nonexistent on the left.

Enjoy the nuance, but I’ll hold that a lot of Berniebots were on a mission, and it wasn’t to free the workers from their chains.

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dangerman  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:46:26pm

re: #273 Blind Frog Belly White

He seems to be one of those guys who believes in white supremacy because on a level playing field he’d be screwed.

the raison d etre for the whole movement

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:49:13pm

After Charlottesville, U.S. should follow Japan and outlaw hate speech

That’s why Japan decided to do something about it. In 2016 the Diet passed a law against hate speech (albeit limiting it to specifically protect foreign residents). And it has had an effect: Japanese media reports fewer rallies and softer invective.

America, however, hasn’t gotten serious about this. It has no explicit law against hate speech, due to fears about government censorship of freedom of speech. Opponents argue that the only cure is freer speech — that somehow hate will be balanced out by reasonable and rational counter-hate. That persuasion will win out.

But in 2016, it didn’t. Hate speech is precisely how Donald J. Trump got elected president.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:49:35pm

re: #275 Blind Frog Belly White

And fucks up your needle.

Franky Graham will preach that if you play that letter backwards it will say “Praise Satan”.

I still remember just how stupid that backward masking bullshit was 35 years ago when Paul and Jan Crouch were pushing that crap on their Pulpit Pimping Network.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:49:47pm

re: #163 Decatur Deb

Daughter1 is a mad cyclist, organizes races, has bikes that cost more than my truck. She assures me that scumbags are wildly over-represented among cyclists.

My brother managed a bike store in Chevy Chase, MD. It gets worse when the clientele already has a privileged attitude. We’d laugh about how some people insisted on pronouncing “Giant” as “Gee-yant-e.”

Of course, there’s probably a new thread by now….

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:50:16pm

re: #274 Eventual Carrion

Some of the SS party stories makes me think you may be right.

Greatest pothead I ever knew (my boss) kept his stash in the safety deposit vault of a KY bank. Said he loved thinking the Pinkertoids would go down shooting to protect his weed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:50:36pm

re: #277 dangerman

the raison d etre for the whole movement

Scratch a Nazi, find an MRA.

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makeitstop  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:52:09pm

re: #262 MsJ

Did you visit Hope for Wildlife?

No, we actually went the other way. HFW is to the east of Halifax, we headed west.

So much to see here. I wish we had another week, but work/pets/music beckon. We miss our dog and cats. As much as we’d love to stay, we both said today that we’d be glad to get back to New York.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:52:20pm

re: #278 electrotek

After Charlottesville, U.S. should follow Japan and outlaw hate speech

The problem with this is we do need to come up with a consensus of what defines hate speech.

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dangerman  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:52:29pm

re: #279 Joe Bacon 🌹

Franky Graham will preach that if you play that letter backwards it will say “Praise Satan”.

I still remember just how stupid that backward masking bullshit was 35 years ago when Paul and Jan Crouch were pushing that crap on their Pulpit Pimping Network.

“paul is dead”
where’s his shoes!!!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:53:49pm

It’s not that I don’t agree with the spirit of why hate speech laws need to exist. I just think finding a definition at this time what construes hate is tough. Let’s face it. Our mainstream right is much more kooky than the mainstream European or even Japanese right.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:54:56pm

re: #278 electrotek

After Charlottesville, U.S. should follow Japan and outlaw hate speech

They’ll never do it. Religious freedom!!!11!!!!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:55:03pm

re: #285 dangerman

“paul is dead”
where’s his shoes!!!

Just a reminder of the bullshit Trinity Broadcasting pushing this “backward masking” crap!

DEVILS IN MUSIC

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:55:25pm

Saw this on FB:

Seriously?

I love the irony of people defending treasonists they say were fighting for States Rights against an oppressive Federal government, wanting the head of that Federal government to overrule, by decree, every other level of state and local government authority.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:55:47pm

Petulant child.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:56:33pm

re: #287 MsJ

They’ll never do it. Religious freedom!!!11!!!!

That’s the problem. They think it’s religious freedom to be a bigot.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:56:57pm

re: #286 HappyWarrior

It’s not that I don’t agree with the spirit of why hate speech laws need to exist. I just think finding a definition at this time what construes hate is tough. Let’s face it. Our mainstream right is much more kooky than the mainstream European or even Japanese right.

I disagree. From the same piece linked:

Back to Japan for a second, because Trump is not alone here. Before the hate speech law, Japan’s politicians and authorities had in fact advocated every single thing Trump did, but against Japan’s international residents. To wit:

Then-Kanazawa Gov. Shigefumi Matsuzawa saying “All foreigners are sneaky thieves” in November 2003; likewise former Miyazaki Diet member Takami Eto in July 2003 calling foreigners “murderers and thieves” who were turning Kabukicho into a “lawless zone.”

Then-Tokyo Gov. Shintaro Ishihara’s famous “Sangokujin speech” of April 2000 calling for a roundup of heinous foreign criminals before they riot during natural disasters.

Election posters in 2011 and 2013 proposing to “put Japanese first before foreigners,” “oppose immigrants” and “expel the barbarians.”

Tokyo police tracking of Muslim communities for terrorist links, revealed in 2010.

Applying a “nationality clause” to bar foreigners from infiltrating administrative positions in Japan’s bureaucracy.

And if you consider the ocean a wall, Ibaraki police posters saying, “Stop foreigners at the shore and protect our country” in 2007, 2008 and 2009.

The difference is that Japan’s institutionalized racism is tacit and embedded, not something the herd or hoi polloi say out loud in street rallies. It doesn’t play well at the United Nations or before Olympic committees. Hence, like so many of Japan’s equal-rights laws, the hate speech measure was passed to avoid international embarrassment.

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KGxvi  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:57:06pm

re: #278 electrotek

You’d either need a constitutional amendment, or for Congress (or maybe a state legislature) to pass a law that leads to a case where the Supreme Court holds that hate speech is unprotected speech akin to fighting words.

Neither scenario is highly likely.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:57:21pm

re: #290 Stanley Sea

Petulant child.

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We have a fucking baby for a President. But tell me more sexist pigs about how Hillary was “too emotional.” Your fucking idol is a fucking child who constantly throws tantrums.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:58:10pm

re: #292 electrotek

I disagree. From the same piece linked:

Damn I knew the Japanese right was worse than the European mainstream right(Merkel) but dayum.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:59:20pm

re: #293 KGxvi

You’d either need a constitutional amendment, or for Congress (or maybe a state legislature) to pass a law that leads to a case where the Supreme Court holds that hate speech is unprotected speech akin to fighting words.

Neither scenario is highly likely.

Yeah this would be hard to do. Honestly, the best thing we can do is to call out bigotry when we see it loudly. It sucks but it’s the situation we’re in.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 3:59:51pm

re: #295 HappyWarrior

Damn I knew the Japanese right was worse than the European mainstream right(Merkel) but dayum.

And don’t get me started on the gaisensha, otherwise known as “sound trucks”, commonly utilized by the Japanese right in many urban centers.

Here’s a Kotaku post explaining the uniquely Japanese phenomenon.

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fern01  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:00:52pm

re: #18 lawhawk

There is tacky and there is grossly tacky

He completely looses the might and beauty of the eagle with his latest method of spending other people’s money

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:00:56pm

re: #289 Blind Frog Belly White

Saw this on FB:

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I love the irony of people defending treasonists they say were fighting for States Rights against an oppressive Federal government, wanting the head of that Federal government to overrule, by decree, every other level of state and local government authority.

There’s something really funny as hell about that. Funny in a fucked up and dark way but still. But yeah I just love how the “Tenthers” have a problem with states deciding to get rid of CSA statues and memorials if they want to. So much for states rights.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:01:25pm

re: #297 electrotek

And don’t get me started on the gaisensha, otherwise known as “sound trucks”, commonly utilized by the Japanese right in many urban centers.

Here’s a Kotaku post explaining the uniquely Japanese phenomenon.

Thanks, I’ll definitely read more. I’m not really familiar with Japanese politics admittingly.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:02:08pm

To showcase the hypocrisy of Japanese right-wingers, they rail against the gaijin but have no problem using vehicles produced by gaijin as platforms to spew their rhetoric in public:

And given the obvious anti-American nature of Japanese right-wingers, isn’t it pretty odd to be using American-made vehicles and symbols of American excess to prove your point?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:03:05pm

re: #301 electrotek

To showcase the hypocrisy of Japanese right-wingers, they rail against the gaijin but have no problem using vehicles produced by gaijin as platforms to spew their rhetoric in public:

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And given the obvious anti-American nature of Japanese right-wingers, isn’t it pretty odd to be using American-made vehicles and symbols of American excess to prove your point?

Right wingers are a hypocritical bunch whereever you find em.

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KGxvi  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:03:29pm

re: #296 HappyWarrior

Yeah this would be hard to do. Honestly, the best thing we can do is to call out bigotry when we see it loudly. It sucks but it’s the situation we’re in.

It’s also worth pointing out that the Supreme Court has been narrowing the definition of fighting words since recognizing it as unprotected speech. They even struck down what could reasonably be called a hate speech law in 1992 in RAV v St Paul (involving a cross burning), and the majority in Snyder v Phelps (2011) rejected Alito’s argument in dissent that the Westboro Baptist Church’s protests constituted fighting words. So, it’s incredibly unlikely that the Supreme Court would accept a prohibition on hate speech as constitutionally acceptable.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:03:47pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

There’s something really funny as hell about that. Funny in a fucked up and dark way but still. But yeah I just love how the “Tenthers” have a problem with states deciding to get rid of CSA statues and memorials if they want to. So much for states rights.

The same folks who cry ‘States Rights!’ over things the Feds do that they don’t like cry ‘Supremacy Clause!’ when states want to allow things they don’t like.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:04:41pm

re: #291 HappyWarrior

That’s the problem. They think it’s religious freedom to be a bigot.

For many it is.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:04:42pm

Here’s what I love though. The people saying it should be illegal to remove these monuments but who also want it to be acceptable and legal to run over protesters. Yeah. Good luck with that the time someone runs over an anti-Roe protester and claims “Hey, they were in my way.” The right’s idea of free speech is that only the right should have free speech. I highly doubt that the right would accept a Nat Turner memorial.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:05:23pm

re: #305 MsJ

For many it is.

True, how sad must your religion be honestly if being a bigot is such a huge part of it?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:05:54pm

re: #304 Blind Frog Belly White

The same folks who cry ‘States Rights!’ over things the Feds do that they don’t like cry ‘Supremacy Clause!’ when states want to allow things they don’t like.

Yep. I mean I admit I’m getting frustrated with my youngest brother’s views of things but he seems to at least have a consistent ethos. These guys OTOH.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:05:57pm

New Jersey Florida Sister just changed her cover pic on FB to a shot of a manatee. Hawaii Brother just commented that manatees look like overgrown tardigrades.

I said maybe tardigrades look like UNDERgrown manatees.

Minitees?

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Scout  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:08:17pm

Never mind, doing more research.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:09:34pm

re: #308 HappyWarrior

Yep. I mean I admit I’m getting frustrated with my youngest brother’s views of things but he seems to at least have a consistent ethos. These guys OTOH.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:10:32pm

re: #311 Blind Frog Belly White

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HA!

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:12:02pm

re: #301 electrotek

To showcase the hypocrisy of Japanese right-wingers, they rail against the gaijin but have no problem using vehicles produced by gaijin as platforms to spew their rhetoric in public:

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And given the obvious anti-American nature of Japanese right-wingers, isn’t it pretty odd to be using American-made vehicles and symbols of American excess to prove your point?

That goes with the Subaru I saw with the ‘Buy Local’ bumper sticker. Over 100 miles from the nearest dealer.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:12:22pm

re: #310 Scout

Are you confident about that?

I freely admit that I’m no expert on the extreme right wing here, but I know of no (or at least, very little) overt anti-U.S. rhetoric.

Japanese right-wingers are no fans of the post-war constitution imposed upon them by the U.S., that’s for sure.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:12:51pm

re: #313 wrenchwench

That goes with the Subaru I saw with the ‘Buy Local’ bumper sticker. Over 100 miles from the nearest dealer.

Well, some Subarus are built in Indiana so that’s not out of the ordinary these days.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:13:06pm

re: #314 electrotek

Japanese right-wingers are no fans of the post-war constitution imposed upon them by the U.S., that’s for sure.

They must have an interesting relationship with the Japanese far left because I imagine the left isn’t too fond of it either albeit for different reasons.

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:14:32pm

re: #315 electrotek

Well, some Subarus are built in Indiana so that’s not out of the ordinary these days.

Indiana is 2,000 miles away. Hard core Buy Locals ride a horse. Or drive in hypocrisy.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:15:00pm

re: #316 HappyWarrior

They must have an interesting relationship with the Japanese far left because I imagine the left isn’t too fond of it either albeit for different reasons.

Agreed. Different reasons for sure. The Japanese right wax poetics over the supposedly glory days of imperial Japan and wish to recreate it once more.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:15:23pm

re: #317 wrenchwench

Indiana is 2,000 miles away. Hard core Buy Locals ride a horse. Or drive in hypocrisy.

I stand corrected in this case then lol

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:15:52pm

re: #315 electrotek

Well, some Subarus are built in Indiana so that’s not out of the ordinary these days.

Indeed. I traded my Japanese Subaru built in Indiana for an American Dodge built in Ontario.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:16:48pm

re: #320 Blind Frog Belly White

Indeed. I traded my Japanese Subaru built in Indiana for an American Dodge built in Ontario.

I prefer Subarus built in Japan, personally. So the only ones I’d buy would be a WRX or STi or BRZ lol

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:17:15pm

re: #318 electrotek

Agreed. Different reasons for sure. The Japanese right wax poetics over the supposedly glory days of imperial Japan and wish to recreate it once more.

Sounds right.Hopefully they never succeed.

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Scout  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:17:21pm

re: #314 electrotek

Japanese right-wingers are no fans of the post-war constitution imposed upon them by the U.S., that’s for sure.

I do know this much — it is NOT a monolithic bloc.

For instance, 一水会 is anti-U.S., but it has only 100 members.

大日本愛国党 flies U.S. flags alongside their Hinomaru, and it has more members (I’m not sure how many).

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:18:06pm

re: #317 wrenchwench

Indiana is 2,000 miles away. Hard core Buy Locals ride a horse. Or drive in hypocrisy.

Maybe they moved?

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:18:22pm

re: #323 Scout

I do know this much — it is NOT a monolithic bloc.

For instance, 一水会 is anti-U.S., but it has only 100 members.

大日本愛国党 flies U.S. flags alongside their Hinomaru, and it has more members (I’m not sure how many).

I knew I was forgetting something, and that was it.

I should have mentioned it afterwards in my earlier post. My bad for the confusion Scout.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:18:46pm

re: #318 electrotek

Agreed. Different reasons for sure. The Japanese right wax poetics over the supposedly glory days of imperial Japan and wish to recreate it once more.

Reminds me of Londo Mollari on Bab5:

“How many Centauri does it take to screw in a lightbulb? .. Just one, but in the great old days of the Republic hundreds of servants would change a thousand lightbulbs at our slightest whim!!”

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:19:14pm

My Xterra is made in Kentucky by Americans. I bought it anyway. /

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:19:33pm

TBH what other countries right wing movements are definitely illustrates how I feel about the right in general.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:20:14pm

re: #326 Blind Frog Belly White

Reminds me of Londo Mollari on Bab5:

“How many Centauri does it take to screw in a lightbulb? .. Just one, but in the great old days of the Republic hundreds of servants would change a thousand lightbulbs at our slightest whim!!”

There was a DW story about Japanese nationalists whitewashing attempts with history books, and this part of the article stood out for me:

“After Japan annexed the Korean Peninsula [in 1910], we spent a lot of money on infrastructure and education there to raise the living standard of people there to that of Japan,” said Moteki. “Japan spent so much money that you could say it was the Koreans that exploited us.”

He dismisses claims from hundreds of Korean women, a handful of whom survive to this day, that the military abducted them and forced them to work in frontline brothels.

Sounds like circular logic to me. Isn’t that what Marine Le Pen insinuated when she said that the colonization of Algeria was a great thing?

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:20:40pm

re: #279 Joe Bacon 🌹

Franklin Graham is a huge Trump supporter so he should know all about praising Satan.

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:21:03pm

re: #324 FormerDirtDart

Maybe they moved?

You’re a nicer person than I am.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:22:11pm

re: #329 electrotek

There was a DW story about Japanese nationalists whitewashing attempts with history books, and this part of the article stood out for me:

Sounds like circular logic to me.

Same kind of logic that says that American blacks should be grateful for slavery.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:22:23pm

re: #327 Single-handed sailor

My Xterra is made in Kentucky by Americans. I bought it anyway. /

My Tacoma was assembled in Mexico by Mexicans. And I don’t give a fuck.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:23:07pm

re: #332 Blind Frog Belly White

Same kind of logic that says that American blacks should be grateful for slavery.

Mostly it just turns out that some people can be assholes no matter where they’re from!

Sigh.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:24:44pm

re: #334 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Mostly it just turns out that some people can be assholes no matter where they’re from!

Sigh.

Ain’t that the truth?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:24:54pm

re: #334 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Mostly it just turns out that some people can be assholes no matter where they’re from!

Sigh.

I’ve tried pointing out to American conservatives when they attempt to revise what the CSA was all about or downplay slavery’s evil that what they’re doing is no different than the elements of Turkish society that deny the Armenian genocide or Japanese society that deny the war crimes of WWII, I just get a lot of excuses. Somehow it’s different because Merika.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:26:23pm

re: #333 Ace Rothstein

My Tacoma was assembled in Mexico by Mexicans. And I don’t give a fuck.

Second generation Tacoma?

In the past I was very wary of Mexican-built vehicles, but with good reason: they were prone to reliability issues. MK3 and MK4 VW Jettas and Golfs were notorious for horrible reliability issues stemming from their assembly in Mexico. Even the MK5/MK6 Jetta Sportwagens had issues that were not found in Wolfsburg-built MK6 Golf’s (my 2012 Golf TDI was pretty solid other than a crappy starter that went out at 30,000 miles which was covered under warranty).

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:26:47pm

re: #337 electrotek

It’s a 2014 model.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:27:05pm

re: #290 Stanley Sea

Good. Republican Senators deserve just that. He’s their guy. Let them suffer. This is the Faustian bargain they’ve made to get SCOTUS seats and horrible laws passed.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:27:43pm

re: #338 Ace Rothstein

It’s a 2014 model.

Then it was assembled in San Antonio, Texas.

Edit: I take that back, the 2014 models were built in Mexico. I’m actually surprised.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:28:43pm

She failed at threading and knows it (and honestly the thread isn’t all that interesting) but I’m with her and the attack of empathy for that little girl.

I think this is one of those days where I am just suffering an overabundance of feelings and should go hide from the world.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:30:36pm

re: #341 klys (maker of Silmarils)

She failed at threading and knows it (and honestly the thread isn’t all that interesting) but I’m with her and the attack of empathy for that little girl.

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I think this is one of those days where I am just suffering an overabundance of feelings and should go hide from the world.

Waht he’s doing is just something awful. I too feel for that child.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:30:40pm

re: #340 electrotek

Then it was assembled in San Antonio, Texas.

Inside the door it says Baja, CA.

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Kilroy was here  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:31:02pm

re: #298 fern01

There is tacky and there is grossly tacky

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He completely looses the might and beauty of the eagle with his latest method of spending other people’s money

Wonder where Trump got his love of Eagles

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:31:11pm

re: #343 Ace Rothstein

Inside the door it says Baja, CA.

I edited my post to correct my mistake.

Ninja edit skills of mine lol

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:34:05pm

re: #336 HappyWarrior

I’ve tried pointing out to American conservatives when they attempt to revise what the CSA was all about or downplay slavery’s evil that what they’re doing is no different than the elements of Turkish society that deny the Armenian genocide or Japanese society that deny the war crimes of WWII, I just get a lot of excuses. Somehow it’s different because Merika.

That’s what was behind my rant last night about the Confederacy and Nazis. We can’t accept that Americans could possibly be as awful as the Nazis, but really, the difference is that the Confederacy needed the blacks for labor, and the Nazis didn’t really need the Jews. The belief that your racial superiority gives you the authority to enslave people and trade them like livestock is only a question of degree from thinking it gives you the authority to exterminate them.

But, you know, that’s somebody’s Great-grandpa, and Great-grandpa couldn’t POSSIBLY be as bad as the Nazis. He was just fighting because the Northerners invaded his state, because that sounds better than “My Great-grandpa went to war to ensure blacks would never be free.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:36:13pm

re: #346 Blind Frog Belly White

Rango, our

That’s what was behind my rant last night about the Confederacy and Nazis. We can’t accept that Americans could possibly be as awful as the Nazis, but really, the difference is that the Confederacy needed the blacks for labor, and the Nazis didn’t really need the Jews. The belief that your racial superiority gives you the authority to enslave people and trade them like livestock is only a question of degree from thinking it gives you the authority to exterminate them.

But, you know, that’s somebody’s Great-grandpa, and Great-grandpa couldn’t POSSIBLY be as bad as the Nazis. He was just fighting because the Northerners invaded his state, because that sounds better than “My Great-grandpa went to war to ensure blacks would never be free.”

That’s what I’m trying to get through to my youngest brother. He was agahst that I could compare the CSA to Stalin. I mean I get it. We don’t want to think that our fellow ancestors or in many cases our ancestors fought for a cause as bad as the Nazis. You were right last night. I’ve looked at it. The Nazis and Confederates had very similar ideological influences and we know that Jim Crow influenced the Nazi treatment of Jews in pre-war Germany.

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bratwurst  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:37:06pm

No.Fucking.Shit.

This guy is every bit as amoral as Trump himself.

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BeachDem  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:37:33pm

Jeez, Phil, just give it up already.

Repeat after me—a 360 degree turn means you end up where you started—in the case of the yam, that’s batshit idiotic, racist and lying his ass off every fucking minute.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:37:51pm

I normally don’t put too much emphasis on where a vehicle is built, but there’s an exception for me when it comes to Japanese vehicles. I would very much prefer Japanese vehicles to be built in Japan, and that’s due to better quality from assembly in Japanese plants compared to models built elsewhere.

Just an example: I have a 2001 Mitsubishi Mirage that my parents bought in 2000, and it currently has 193,000 miles on it. During the time of ownership, it has been absolutely rock-solid, with no major issues to report. Other than replacing the typical wear-and-tear items such as struts, front lower control arms (mine were cracked BADLY but lasted 185,000 miles so it did its job), inner and outer tie rods, and end-links, no major repairs have been made. The transmission is holding up quite well too, even though it’s an automatic! Hell, even the headliner is holding up well (unlike the Canadian-built ‘96 Civic hatchback I also own where the headliner is sagging badly). It was built in Japan, whereas the 2014+ Mirages are built in Thailand and have a plethora of problems that owners have been experiencing, such as subpar A/C temperature, garbage CVT transmission, and speaker mounts that are not screwed in. Yep, they are applied to the door frame and then turn to mount (for the sake of production efficiency is my guess, but causes problems for those seeking aftermarket speakers to replace stock speakers).

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:41:03pm

Even in the Russian Far East, people eschew Russian-built Japanese vehicles in favor of cheaper second-hand Japanese imports from across the Sea of Japan. They also feel that the second-hand imports are better than the locally produced models, and tend to be maintained better due to Japan’s strict shaken laws. Right hand drive be damned, they’ll still go crazy over Japanese grey-market vehicles and can’t blame them. I’d trust a Nissan Patrol or Land Cruiser in the brutal winters than a garbage Lada.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:41:28pm

Well, that settles it! A spy wouldn’t lie about being a spy, after all!

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:42:20pm

re: #349 BeachDem

In that awful speech, how the hell was Trump a uniter? Unless we’re talking about uniting the racists under his umbrella.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:42:47pm

re: #349 BeachDem

Jeez, Phil, just give it up already.

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Repeat after me—a 360 degree turn means you end up where you started—in the case of the yam, that’s batshit idiotic, racist and lying his ass off every fucking minute.

The poor little manbaby needed a “relief valve”.

Good thing we don’t have that emotional woman as President.

///

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Timothy Watson  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:43:07pm

re: #352 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, that settles it! A spy wouldn’t lie about being a spy, after all!

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“I’m not a spy, I have people for that.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:43:53pm

re: #348 bratwurst

No.Fucking.Shit.

This guy is every bit as amoral as Trump himself.

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Bibi’s a scumbag. I’ve detested him ever since he treated President Obama like crap and showed more respect to Glenn frigging Beck.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:44:33pm

re: #352 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, that settles it! A spy wouldn’t lie about being a spy, after all!

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I’m totally convinced now. He’s also too fat to be a spy and his martini is stirred not shaken!

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:45:14pm

re: #354 Timothy Watson

The poor little manbaby needed a “relief valve”.

Good thing we don’t have that emotional woman as President.

///

It was probably set up by his daughter and his wife, who know him better then he knows himself.

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BeachDem  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:45:15pm

re: #353 Patricia Kayden

In that awful speech, how the hell was Trump a uniter? Unless we’re talking about uniting the racists under his umbrella.

He’s calling the VFW speech the uniter speech—actually had the balls to refer to it as:

the kind of unity message that you would expect to hear Pope Francis deliver.

Rucker either needs to stop drinking (or start.)

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Stanley Sea  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:45:41pm

CNN has a breaking

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:45:43pm

re: #349 BeachDem

tr*mp’s three roles in the last 48 hours: asshole, asshole and asshole.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:46:34pm
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nines09  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:47:50pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:48:01pm

re: #360 Stanley Sea

More

dripppppppppppppppppppy

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:48:51pm

re: #360 Stanley Sea

CNN has a breaking

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Another show droppeth.

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lawhawk  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:49:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:50:01pm

Keeps on getting more and more interesting. He’s going ot be raging tonight.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:50:14pm
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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:50:29pm

re: #367 HappyWarrior

Keeps on getting more and more interesting. He’s going ot be raging tonight.

And his supporters will react with a collective yawn, as they usually do. I’ve given up trying to reason with Trump cultists.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:50:34pm

re: #366 lawhawk

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WV? Was Blankenship of Massey one of Trump’s supporters and advisers?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:51:16pm

re: #369 electrotek

And his supporters will react with a collective yawn, as they usually do. I’ve given up trying to reason with Trump cultists.

TBH I gave up a long time ago. IF you seriously thought Donald Trump would make a good President, I gave up on hoping to have a reasonable discussion about current events with you.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:51:26pm

I’m old enough to remember when no one from the Trump campaign had any contact with Russians.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:52:03pm

tr*mp is a perfect reversal of the three wise monkeys:

tr*mp sees only evil, hears only evil and speaks only evil.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:52:44pm

And this is what makes the whole thing of attacking Flake and McCain, not to mention McConnell so bizarrely, uniquely Trumpian - he literally DOES NOT CARE what they pass. At all. Not the slightest bit! He would have signed ANYTHING from “Medicare For Everyone!” to “Medicare For No One!”

So now he’s toying publicly with supporting primary opponents of people who voted against the bill (McCain) or voted FOR the bill but are insufficiently obsequious, all the while not caring in the slightest what their policy positions are.

He’s willing to wreck the GOP, not for failing to pass his agenda, but rather for not obstructing justice for him.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:52:59pm

re: #362 FormerDirtDart

Nice. Pardoning racists who run internment camps targeting Brown people is a-okay now.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:55:52pm

re: #368 FormerDirtDart

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Shouldn’t have been doing so in the first place.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:56:14pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 23, 2017 • 4:58:32pm

re: #292 electrotek

I disagree. From the same piece linked:

That started with the Iranians in the 1990s. When the economy turned and these invited workers lost jobs they started selling counterfeit phone cards (provided by the yakuza). Every once in awhile a guy would get caught on a stolen bike, which is a laugh because bikes get stolen all the time by drunks needing to get home from the train station. And then there were a couple of guys busted selling pot and meth (a very popular drug in Japan). And that was it: the media went all out anti-foreigner (but everyone knew it didn’t mean white people the West). Writers at the Japan Times did great work showing how the percentage of foreigners committing crimes of the foreign community was minuscule compared to the number of Japanese committing the same kinds of crimes. It didn’t matter.

So, many of the Iranians were forced or pressured to leave. What was next? As you know, foreigners of Japanese descent, esp. from Brazil and Peru. Hey, they look like us, what could go wrong? Well, they were Brazilians and Peruvians, not Japanese.

I love a lot about Japan, but the xenophobia there can get kicked into overdrive very quickly, and it can get turned into policy quickly, too.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:00:38pm

re: #374 Blind Frog Belly White

It really is difficult to calibrate in the tr*mp era. For example tr*mp is a a racist but it makes no sense to regard him as a conventional white supremacist. After all, tr*mp doesn’t give a shit about “the existence of our people” or a “future for white children”. tr*mp doesn’t give a shit about anything except himself and his feelings.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:01:47pm

re: #380 EPR-radar

It really is difficult to calibrate in the tr*mp era. For example tr*mp is a a racist but it makes no sense to regard him as a conventional white supremacist. After all, tr*mp doesn’t give a shit about “the existence of our people” or a “future for white children”. tr*mp doesn’t give a shit about anything except himself and his feelings.

He’s an opportunist pure and simple.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:02:19pm

re: #378 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m in the yellow area. You know shit’s ominous when the Weather Channel is broadcasting live 2 miles from your house 48 hours before the storm hits…

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:03:10pm

re: #379 Barefoot Grin

That started with the Iranians in the 1990s. When the economy turned and these invited workers lost jobs they started selling counterfeit phone cards (provided by the yakuza). Every once in awhile a guy would get caught on a stolen bike, which is a laugh because bikes get stolen all the time by drunks needing to get home from the train station. And then there were a couple of guys busted selling pot and meth (a very popular drug in Japan). And that was it: the media went all out anti-foreigner (but everyone knew it didn’t mean white people the West). Writers at the Japan Times did great work showing how the percentage of foreigners committing crimes of the foreign community was minuscule compared to the number of Japanese committing the same kinds of crimes. It didn’t matter.

So, many of the Iranians were forced or pressured to leave. What was next? As you know, foreigners of Japanese descent, esp. from Brazil and Peru. Hey, they look like us, what could go wrong? Well, they were Brazilians and Peruvians, not Japanese.

I love a lot about Japan, but the xenophobia there can get kicked into overdrive very quickly, and it can get turned into policy quickly, too.

Good insight. The Iranians were able to arrive in Japan visa-free in the 1980s, and can anyone blame them? They were in a state of war against Iraq, so can’t blame them for fleeing to Japan under the bubble economy.

So those explains why Iranians have a low approval in Japan, which I couldn’t understand at first but now I do.

But I’ll be honest: the Nigerian touts in Shinjuku and Roppongi are scum for the most part. And they are the reason why average Nigerians who are there to study and contribute to Japan are seen in the same light unfortunately. I could have said the same thing about all Nigerians in Japan because I almost got into a fight with an aggressive Nigerian tout at Shinjuku one night I was there but decided to walk away as I wasn’t interested in getting jumped by his mates on the last night of my trip. But then I realize that there’s always good and bad in every group, so no need for me conflate Nigerians in Japan with the touts of Roppongi and Shinjuku.

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Scout  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:05:14pm

re: #351 electrotek

Right hand drive be damned, they’ll still go crazy over Japanese grey-market vehicles and can’t blame them.

That cracked me up the one time I visited Vladivostok — all the cars with steering wheels on the “wrong” side.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:05:19pm
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Birth Control Works  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:06:46pm

How is it now?

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:07:24pm

re: #385 FormerDirtDart

It just hit me like a ton of bricks — we have a motherfucking stochastic terrorist as ‘president’ of the US.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:07:28pm

re: #385 FormerDirtDart

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The Obama administration brought this up but the right claimed it was an attack on veterans because the report noted correctly I might add that the far right goes after veterans.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:08:09pm

re: #384 Scout

That cracked me up the one time I visited Vladivostok — all the cars with steering wheels on the “wrong” side.

hahahahaha yeah! There are supposedly more than 1.5 million RHD vehicles in the Russian Far East. I mean Japan is willing to export the vehicles they feel are junk if they fail shaken inspection (which I personally wished was implemented in this country), and even those that fail it are much better than the Ladas in Mother Russia.

Speaking of which, I’m actually looking to importing a Japanese-market vehicle myself into the states, as long as it’s 25 years old or older. Been fancying a ‘92-‘93 Toyota JZX90 Mark II or Chaser Tourer V to bring in to the states and looking for some on the Japanese auctions before they become legal for stateside import to save money.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:08:36pm

re: #382 Flying Squirrel Girl

I’m in the yellow area. You know shit’s ominous when the Weather Channel is broadcasting live 2 miles from your house 48 hours before the storm hits…

If your place is even remotely flood prone, I’d suggest moving what you can up to an upper story (if you have one) and/or evacuating.

Per the next tweet in the linked thread, the previous record for a day’s rain is 10.34”. There’s going to be a lot of flooding.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:09:54pm

re: #388 HappyWarrior

The Obama administration brought this up but the right claimed it was an attack on veterans because the report noted correctly I might add that the far right goes after veterans.

IIRC, the RWNJ extremism report that caused that fuss was actually mostly (or even entirely) compiled in the W Bush years, and was published early in Obama’s term.

Republicans and the RW noise machine went nuts because they don’t want their cadres of future brown shirts to be disrupted.

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ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:10:00pm

re: #337 electrotek

Second generation Tacoma?

In the past I was very wary of Mexican-built vehicles, but with good reason: they were prone to reliability issues. MK3 and MK4 VW Jettas and Golfs were notorious for horrible reliability issues stemming from their assembly in Mexico. Even the MK5/MK6 Jetta Sportwagens had issues that were not found in Wolfsburg-built MK6 Golf’s (my 2012 Golf TDI was pretty solid other than a crappy starter that went out at 30,000 miles which was covered under warranty).

I’ve been lucky. Three of my VWs were from Wolfsburg and I had incredible luck with them. One thing about VWs in the past. you could count on a part or two (like your alternator) going out early, but once you get those fixed up, they wear very well.

My one buddy has a Mexican GTi Mk4. It is nice, but it does have rattles and some interior wear issues my Mk4 GTi didn’t have. I think I had the first Mk4 GTi in Columbus back in ‘99…straight from Wolfsburg. Drove it to 186,000 miles. Very little maintenance issues. A couple parts, one brake job and a catalytic converter (split with VW as it was just past warranty, but early for a cat to go, so they gave me a break).

Now I have my Mk5 Wolfsburg Rabbit.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:10:07pm

re: #383 electrotek

Good insight. The Iranians were able to arrive in Japan visa-free in the 1980s, and can anyone blame them? They were in a state of war against Iraq, so can’t blame them for fleeing to Japan under the bubble economy.

So those explains why Iranians have a low approval in Japan, which I couldn’t understand at first but now I do.

But I’ll be honest: the Nigerian touts in Shinjuku and Roppongi are scum for the most part. And they are the reason why average Nigerians who are there to study and contribute to Japan are seen in the same light unfortunately. I could have said the same thing about all Nigerians in Japan because I almost got into a fight with an aggressive Nigerian tout at Shinjuku one night I was there but decided to walk away as I wasn’t interested in getting jumped by his mates on the last night of my trip. But then I realize that there’s always good and bad in every group, so no need for me conflate Nigerians in Japan with the touts of Roppongi and Shinjuku.

Yeah, I loved walking through Shinjuku during the day for the sociological aspects, but at night it got sinister and the African guys were too much sometimes. In some places like Shimo-Kitazawa they made an effort to pass as African Americans because of the cache of hip-hop, etc. The most annoying place was Gotenba where Chinese pimps were pretty aggressive in pushing “karaoke where the girls let you do more.”

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Birth Control Works  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:10:30pm

Feral Girl just came charging down the stairs and is standing at the back door giving that low guttural growl.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:11:12pm

re: #391 EPR-radar

IIRC, the RWNJ extremism report that caused that fuss was actually mostly (or even entirely) compiled in the W Bush years, and was published early in Obama’s term.

Republicans and the RW noise machine went nuts because they don’t want their cadres of future brown shirts to be disrupted.

Yes, you are correct.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:12:09pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

We have a fucking baby for a President. But tell me more sexist pigs about how Hillary was “too emotional.” Your fucking idol is a fucking child who constantly throws tantrums.

Could Bernie Bros be any more pathetic?

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:12:38pm

re: #394 Birth Control Works

Feral Girl just came charging down the stairs and is standing at the back door giving that low guttural growl.

Been there. Don’t let her out unless you want a skunked dog.

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ICH LIEBE DICH!!!  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:12:43pm

Lol, CNN throwing some snark:

Donald Trump’s 57 most outrageous quotes from his Arizona speech

8. “Just like (the media doesn’t) want to report that I spoke out forcefully against hatred, bigotry and violence and strongly condemned the neo-Nazis, the White Supremacists, and the KKK.”
[narrator voice]: He didn’t.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:13:09pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:13:45pm

re: #394 Birth Control Works

Feral Girl just came charging down the stairs and is standing at the back door giving that low guttural growl.

Critter in yard alert?

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Birth Control Works  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:13:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:14:13pm

re: #396 The Vicious Babushka

Could Bernie Bros be any more pathetic?

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What a pathetic dickhead. Sanders should have ran a better campaign. He wasn’t going to be handed the nomination on hypothetical poll numbers.

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ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:14:49pm

re: #350 electrotek

I normally don’t put too much emphasis on where a vehicle is built, but there’s an exception for me when it comes to Japanese vehicles. I would very much prefer Japanese vehicles to be built in Japan, and that’s due to better quality from assembly in Japanese plants compared to models built elsewhere.

Just an example: I have a 2001 Mitsubishi Mirage that my parents bought in 2000, and it currently has 193,000 miles on it. During the time of ownership, it has been absolutely rock-solid, with no major issues to report. Other than replacing the typical wear-and-tear items such as struts, front lower control arms (mine were cracked BADLY but lasted 185,000 miles so it did its job), inner and outer tie rods, and end-links, no major repairs have been made. The transmission is holding up quite well too, even though it’s an automatic! Hell, even the headliner is holding up well (unlike the Canadian-built ‘96 Civic hatchback I also own where the headliner is sagging badly). It was built in Japan, whereas the 2014+ Mirages are built in Thailand and have a plethora of problems that owners have been experiencing, such as subpar A/C temperature, garbage CVT transmission, and speaker mounts that are not screwed in. Yep, they are applied to the door frame and then turn to mount (for the sake of production efficiency is my guess, but causes problems for those seeking aftermarket speakers to replace stock speakers).

Ohh. Honda Ohio is not going to like you! Overall, they seem to be built well. One of the first big foreign car plants in America. Now expanded to several facilities, engines and motorcycles too.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:14:58pm

re: #400 Unshaken Defiance

Critter in yard alert?

falling leaf, neighbor walking dog, squirrel

It wasn’t a bark that was of concern to me —only whatever she was warning.

She’s been warning squirrels lately, running from front window to side window to back door patrolling

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Birth Control Works  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:15:30pm

Sanders didn’t make the nomination. Why are we still talking about him?

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:15:54pm

re: #393 Barefoot Grin

Yeah, I loved walking through Shinjuku during the day for the sociological aspects, but at night it got sinister and the African guys were too much sometimes. In some places like Shimo-Kitazawa they made an effort to pass as African Americans because of the cache of hip-hop, etc. The most annoying place was Gotenba where Chinese pimps were pretty aggressive in pushing “karaoke where the girls let you do more.”

No kidding. I never came across the Chinese pimps but I did come across some women (who were probably Korean or Chinese) late at night approaching me if I want a “handjob” for ‎¥‎6,000, and I was flabbergasted and kept walking away in shock. Tokyo at 2am on a weeknight is not only dead, but eerily creepy at times. I was expecting there to be life due to the immense size of the city even during a weeknight in the peak of summer, but nothing except the sleazy elements coming out of the woodwork. I ended up seeking refuge from the touts at a nearby arcade in Shinjuku and decided to blow much of my remaining ‎¥‎ on random taxi rides from Shinjuku to Akihabara as I developed some very horrible blisters from walking all over downtown Tokyo that night (only because I missed the last train back to Sagamihara where my friend and her husband and child lives).

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Birth Control Works  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:16:48pm
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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:17:34pm

re: #392 ObserverArt

I’ve been lucky. Three of my VWs were from Wolfsburg and I had incredible luck with them. One thing about VWs in the past. you could count on a part or two (like your alternator) going out early, but once you get those fixed up, they wear very well.

My one buddy has a Mexican GTi Mk4. It is nice, but it does have rattles and some interior wear issues my Mk4 GTi didn’t have. I think I had the first Mk4 GTi in Columbus back in ‘99…straight from Wolfsburg. Drove it to 186,000 miles. Very little maintenance issues. A couple parts, one break job and a catalytic converter (split with VW as it was just past warranty, but early for a cat to go, so they gave me a break).

Now I have my Mk5 Wolfsburg Rabbit.

Hey, look on the bright side, at least the Mexican built VW’s weren’t nearly as bad as the monstrosities of Westmoreland GTI’s in the early 80s. Holy crap, what a colossal clusterfuck it was for VW AG.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:17:39pm
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A Cranky One  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:18:05pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

They’re too clever by half. They come across as petty and undermine the seriousness their writers intend to convey.

On the other hand, it gets attention and results in the letters being shared by the media. How many other resignation letters have been publicized (especially from lower level officials) and their message shared, that didn’t have something click-worthy?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:18:29pm

re: #405 Birth Control Works

Sanders didn’t make the nomination. Why are we still talking about him?

Because his dickhead diehards are tainting the Dems for having the nerve to nominate the candidate who won their primary and actually is in their party.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:18:43pm

re: #401 Birth Control Works

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Being in continual campaign rally mode means you aren’t ready to be President.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:19:13pm

re: #403 ObserverArt

Ohh. Honda Ohio is not going to like you! Overall, they seem to be built well. One of the first big foreign car plants in America. Now expanded to several facilities, engines and motorcycles too.

haha my buddy actually works at Honda in Ohio as an engineer over at the R&D division.

I can simply state with confidence that, at least with the ‘92-‘95 and ‘96-‘00 hatchbacks, that the Japanese-built ones felt more rock solid than the Canadian-built ones.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:19:22pm

re: #407 Birth Control Works

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:20:20pm

re: #407 Birth Control Works

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Abbott is such a scumbag.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:20:27pm

re: #254 jaunte

Wearing his hair in a “lesshawk”

that hair looks like every infant in the bath photo.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:20:27pm

re: #399 Birth Control Works

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JFC says my Catholic grandma who had 6 kids.

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EPR-radar  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:21:45pm

re: #407 Birth Control Works

I see that Republican approval of rape as a method of procreation continues apace.

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JordanRules  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:21:51pm

re: #407 Birth Control Works

Ridiculous and regressive. Makes me so damn angry that we can’t even get to sane policy as a starting place where we can push for more progress. These bastards want to start in the gutter with horrible and dangerous policy.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:23:18pm

re: #413 electrotek

haha my buddy actually works at Honda in Ohio as an engineer over at the R&D division.

I can simply state with confidence that, at least with the ‘92-‘95 and ‘96-‘00 hatchbacks, that the Japanese-built ones felt more rock solid than the Canadian-built ones.

Sorry to keep humping you about Japan, but of non-American Fender electric guitars, the MIJ models are considered the best. And of course, Boss/Roland and Ibanez changed the sound of music.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:23:29pm

Eclipse Over America is on PBS right now. Please check you local PBS listing for a showing in your area.

whyy.org

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ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:23:42pm

re: #378 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Yikes.

I hope Texans can stay safe.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:23:58pm

Lin old enough to remember when there was a sizable amount of pro choice Republicans.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:24:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:24:29pm

re: #422 Birth Control Works

???

US Congressman Steve King believes dog fighting should be LEGAL! Voice Your Outrage!

Could he be anymore of a dick?

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:24:43pm

re: #420 Barefoot Grin

Sorry to keep humping you about Japan, but of non-American Fender electric guitars, the MIJ models are considered the best. And of course, Boss/Roland and Ibanez changed the sound of music.

No need to apologize, I’m a self-proclaimed Japanophile lol

Roland TB-303, TR-808, and the TR-909 - they changed the face of electronic music forever. And it took black men from the inner city suburbs of Chicago and Detroit to harness the true potential of those legendary pieces of equipment from Japan.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:26:34pm

Did anyone see what started that fight between those two blonde women? I can’t get much from Google since I don’t know much.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:26:53pm

And speaking of Japan, anyone recall the Akihabara massacre in 2008?

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:27:42pm

re: #427 electrotek

No need to apologize, I’m a self-proclaimed Japanophile lol

Roland TB-303, TR-808, and the TR-909 - they changed the face of electronic music forever. And it took black men from the inner city suburbs of Chicago and Detroit to harness the true potential of those legendary pieces of equipment from Japan.

Very important point. I was thinking Stevie Ray Vaughan, but that’s probably more profound influence.

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:29:05pm

re: #428 MsJ

Did anyone see what started that fight between those two blonde women? I can’t get much from Google since I don’t know much.

Racist stuff about Haitians by the fat lady.

The women in the grey is officially wife-material for me, standing up to a racist hag and giving her a taste of her own medicine.

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ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:29:14pm

re: #386 Birth Control Works

How is it now?

Beautiful evening here in central Ohio. 73° and low humidity. Next few days are supposed to be like this. I’d take the rest of the summer like this.

Also…low amount of Trump. Got TV off. Might watch Lawrence later. That’s it. What can be read here is e-nuff!

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Woods Witch  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:29:15pm

re: #426 HappyWarrior

Could he be anymore of a dick?

Steve King: “Hold my beer.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:30:03pm

re: #433 Woods Witch

Steve King: “Hold my beer.”

It’s a constant challenge with him. Nothing admirable at all about that man.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:30:49pm

bbl

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electrotek  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:31:01pm

re: #430 Barefoot Grin

Very important point. I was thinking Stevie Ray Vaughan, but that’s probably more profound influence.

House music in Chicago and techno in Detroit. People like DJ Pierre, Larry Heard, Kevin Saunderson, Adonis, Carl Craig, Juan Atkins, and Derrick May: all black men from the inner-city who helped cultivate a genre that is mistakenly alluded to Europeans from Berlin. I facepalm every time someone thinks techno started in Berlin when it was conceived in Detroit. It’s a serious pet peeve of mine that I find it difficult to control my reaction with lol

437
Bubblehead II  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:31:43pm

re: #422 Birth Control Works

???

US Congressman Steve King believes dog fighting should be LEGAL! Voice Your Outrage!

What a fucking dick. Wonder what he would say if asked about bring Gladiatorial fights back for death row inmates? Fucker would probably approve of it.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:32:26pm

re: #431 electrotek

Racist stuff about Haitians by the fat lady.

The women in the grey is officially wife-material for me, standing up to a racist hag and giving her a taste of her own medicine.

Any links or anything? Where did it happen? Anything I can use as search phrases?

439
Barefoot Grin  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:32:32pm

re: #436 electrotek

House music in Chicago and techno in Detroit. People like DJ Pierre, Larry Heard, Kevin Saunderson, Adonis, Carl Craig, Juan Atkins, and Derrick May: all black men from the inner-city who helped cultivate a genre that is mistakenly alluded to Europeans from Berlin. I facepalm every time someone thinks techno started in Berlin when it was conceived in Detroit. It’s a serious pet peeve of mine that I find it difficult to control my reaction with lol

I know absolutely nothing about this. I’ll look into these names. Thanks.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:33:21pm

re: #373 EPR-radar

tr*mp is a perfect reversal of the three wise monkeys:

tr*mp sees only evil, hears only evil and speaks only evil.

Except for people at a Nazi march. They’re fine people.

441
HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:33:50pm

re: #437 Bubblehead II

What a fucking dick. Wonder what he would say if asked about bring Gladiatorial fights back for death row inmates? Fucker would probably approve of it.

He probably does. He’s a fucking fascist fuck.

442
FormerDirtDart  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:34:24pm
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nines09  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:34:46pm

re: #427 electrotek

re: #430 Barefoot Grin

BEHOLD THE WONDER AND MAGNIFICENCE OF THE TS 808.

Analogman and Keeley Electronics modded these in magical ways.
It was my go to overdrive pedal for years.

444
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:35:24pm

re: #438 MsJ

Any links or anything? Where did it happen? Anything I can use as search phrases?

Video was linked either upthread or downstairs.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:39:00pm

re: #382 Flying Squirrel Girl

I’m in the yellow area. You know shit’s ominous when the Weather Channel is broadcasting live 2 miles from your house 48 hours before the storm hits…

If you see Jim Cantore chain himself to a parking meter, it’s time to go.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:42:54pm

re: #399 Birth Control Works

[Embedded content]

Vatican roulette wheel.

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ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:43:36pm

re: #413 electrotek

haha my buddy actually works at Honda in Ohio as an engineer over at the R&D division.

I can simply state with confidence that, at least with the ‘92-‘95 and ‘96-‘00 hatchbacks, that the Japanese-built ones felt more rock solid than the Canadian-built ones.

Cool. I used to know some of the engineers up there back when I was directly involved in auto racing.

Honda R&D had some budget money for the engineers to build race cars and run them as long as they were Honda of course. So race they did.

From auto-crossers to road racers. I did graphics for a couple of the teams. One was a simple design for a NSX team that ran pro GT series racing. Another was an SCCA Rally guy with a civic.

They even had race shop space in the garages at the big ass test facility, once the Ohio Transportation Research Center, now where Honda tests cars on the 7.5 mile test oval.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 23, 2017 • 5:59:37pm

re: #436 electrotek

House music in Chicago and techno in Detroit. People like DJ Pierre, Larry Heard, Kevin Saunderson, Adonis, Carl Craig, Juan Atkins, and Derrick May: all black men from the inner-city who helped cultivate a genre that is mistakenly alluded to Europeans from Berlin. I facepalm every time someone thinks techno started in Berlin when it was conceived in Detroit. It’s a serious pet peeve of mine that I find it difficult to control my reaction with lol

Don’t forget Frankie Knuckles, Creator of the legendary Chicago Warehouse. A buddy took me to The Warehouse in the late 70s when Frankie was perfecting his DJ technique!

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vgranucci  Aug 23, 2017 • 10:07:31pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

These are people who still rag on Jimmy Carter 40 years after he left office.

These are people who are still fighting the Civil War

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Jebediah, RBG  Aug 23, 2017 • 11:00:49pm

re: #143 Kragar

I believe it was Impish Artist

I know. I just like my way better.


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