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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:49:57pm

maybe resident rump is trying to time it so that the residents of jerusalem and seoul are massacred on the same day

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:59:00pm

State Rep. Lori Saine (R)

“… Saine in 2017 co-sponsored bill to repeal a ban on the sale, transfer and possession of large-capacity ammunition magazines. The ban was enacted after the 2012 Aurora theater and Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings. …”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:59:03pm

It’s easy to forget about this because so much is going on so props to Seth for doing this.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:59:39pm

re: #2 FormerDirtDart

State Rep. Lori Saine (R)

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Another responsible gun owner.

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EPR-radar  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:03:20pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Another responsible gun owner.

I know that responsible gun owners exist, but they are just like good Christians in that they never make the news.

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Jay C  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:03:55pm

re: #2 FormerDirtDart

State Rep. Lori Saine (R)

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Is her middle initial “N” ??

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:10:32pm

A little levity to lighten the day. Trump Vs. Talking Heads

Trump vs Talking Heads - Swedemason

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:12:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:18:54pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:24:15pm

Seth Abramson should have been permanently discredited when he advocated lying to promote Bernie Sanders. (Yes, he really did, but he called it “building an alternative meta-narrative” or some bullshit like that.) Instead, he’s been getting very popular on Twitter by appealing to liberal confirmation bias, just like Cernovich and Posobiec appeal to conservative confirmation bias.

Every time I see somebody post one of his tweets here at LGF, I die inside just a little bit.

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meteor  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:25:15pm
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:26:47pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:28:29pm

I’m watching episode 4 of The Carol Burnett Show.
I was less than a year old when it first aired in 1967.
It’s very groovy.

I Dig Rock and Roll Music
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:29:59pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart

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EPR-radar  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:30:27pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Seth Abramson should have been permanently discredited when he advocated lying to promote Bernie Sanders. (Yes, he really did, but he called it “building an alternative meta-narrative” or some bullshit like that.) Instead, he’s been getting very popular on Twitter by appealing to liberal confirmation bias, just like Cernovich and Posobiec appeal to conservative confirmation bias.

Every time I see somebody post one of his tweets here at LGF, I die inside just a little bit.

Embracing the way of the lie is a sure fire way for Democrats and the left to lose. It will split and disillusion the lefty base, and people who want real liars will vote Republican anyway.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:31:23pm
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dangerman  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:34:30pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

Report: US asks Israel to restrain response to Jerusalem move

We’re gonna do something.. don’t get mad……

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:35:15pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:35:29pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

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That is some mighty fine screwing up foreign relations.

Please…stay on the downlow. What we did might blow up, so don’t move or it will all go off.

Meanwhile, we’ll be over here watching.

Oh yeah, and good luck, we did our part, you guys wing it from there.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:35:46pm
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allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:39:03pm

Try as I might I just cannot get into this season of The Vikings. I loved the past seasons but with Ragnar gone the focus is split 4 different directions. No, 5 including Loki’s story. Ivar is the only remotely interesting character and he isn’t much holding my interest.

Darn.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:42:04pm
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jaunte  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:42:53pm
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allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:44:27pm

The rabbit hole. We down it.

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:46:02pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:46:49pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:47:20pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:48:15pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

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Are we sure that is not an alien craft leaving middle earth through the volcano?

It has been a strange year…

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:48:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:49:30pm

Imagine the media reaction if Hillary Clinton had won, and she gave a speech with as many slurred and mispronounced words as Trump did today.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:49:50pm

If Aliens landed on earth, Trump would immediately try to deport them.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:51:29pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:55:43pm

NiceHash is out of business. 60 million dollars missing. $90 of it mine. Oh well, I still came out a little ahead running the app. Bitcoin heists are a lot more profitable and less risky than bank robbery.

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austin_blue  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:56:48pm

Sarah Huckabucka Sanders was asked today if the President knew the difference between a chickpea and a garbanzo bean.

She replied that the President had never had a garbanzo bean on his face.

Ba-Dum Kishhhhh

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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:57:43pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:58:12pm

re: #23 jaunte

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No library has ever asked to see my birth certificate. of course Moore thinks being homosexual should be illegal. He thinks being Muslim should be illegal.

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austin_blue  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:58:39pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

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Microstroke?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:58:53pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

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That’s a really fast decline. There’s no way he can campaign for 2020.

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jaunte  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:00:11pm

re: #36 Big Beautiful Door

I’m surprised she doesn’t just show the librarian her concealed semiautomatic.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:02:36pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

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Hair Furor is proud af about his signature…….this is bad…..

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calochortus  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:03:30pm

re: #36 Big Beautiful Door

No library has ever asked to see my birth certificate. of course Moore thinks being homosexual should be illegal. He thinks being Muslim should be illegal.

You don’t even have to provide a birth certificate to get a library card.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:03:45pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

There’s a video in the first comment, and it does look like his dentures have dropped down on his right side. He makes a weird mouth movement like he’s trying to get them back in place.

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dangerman  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:04:54pm

re: #42 calochortus

You don’t even have to provide a birth certificate to get a library card.

It was an asinine thing to say

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:05:54pm

re: #36 Big Beautiful Door

No library has ever asked to see my birth certificate. of course Moore thinks being homosexual should be illegal. He thinks being Muslim should be illegal.

Are there even libraries in Alabama?

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Stanley Sea  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:07:39pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

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I’ve been waiting to see the signature! From a distance it looked different.

Fucking a

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:08:56pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Perhaps persistent resistance, keeping him stressed is working out as intended. Break him with the pressure. Public criticism. Put the family in legal jeopardy.

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:09:51pm

re: #45 bill d. (b.d.)

Are there even libraries in Alabama?

Probably not which would explain the statement.

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calochortus  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:10:56pm

re: #46 Stanley Sea

I’ve been waiting to see the signature! From a distance it looked different.

Fucking a

He looked really awkward signing it-as thought the paper was slithering away under his pen. Now, I don’t blame the paper for trying to escape, but that could account for the signature.
Since the president tends to have a competent doctor in his general vicinity much of the time, I’m sure someone will notice if there is an actual medical issue.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:11:44pm

re: #45 bill d. (b.d.)

Are there even libraries in Alabama?

Probably. Libraries have been the place poor people go to borrow DVDs for a long time now.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:12:01pm

re: #49 calochortus

He looked really awkward signing it-as thought the paper was slithering away under his pen. Now, I don’t blame the paper for trying to escape, but that could account for the signature.
Since the president tends to have a competent doctor in his general vicinity much of the time, I’m sure someone will notice if there is an actual medical issue.

But will they tell?

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:12:22pm

re: #46 Stanley Sea

I’ve been waiting to see the signature! From a distance it looked different.

Fucking a

Someone pointed out earlier how he was holding down the document he was signing. Thinking of that, I wonder if he has no strength in his hands. That would have some change in his signature too.

Remember how he had to hold onto that water bottle when he took a sip from it? Are his hands weak, numb?

Hey, if this was Hillary the speculation would run wild. Just asking qwestions!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:12:52pm

re: #43 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

There’s a video in the first comment, and it does look like his dentures have dropped down on his right side. He makes a weird mouth movement like he’s trying to get them back in place.

Here’s the video

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jaunte  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:13:10pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:14:33pm

re: #52 ObserverArt

Someone pointed out earlier how he was holding down the document he was signing. Thinking of that, I wonder if he has no strength in his hands. That would have some change in his signature too.

Remember how he had to hold onto that water bottle when he took a sip from it? Are his hands weak, numb?

Hey, if this was Hillary the speculation would run wild. Just asking qwestions!

Peripheral nerve damage would also explain his trouble with stairs. Maybe he’s diabetic. He’s a toothless old man who may not be able to feel his hands or feet, and the Nazis think he’s their god-emperor.

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:14:58pm

I see that trump signed the waiver putting off the embassy move for another six months. Good luck trying to find that in the news today.

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:15:40pm

re: #50 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Probably. Libraries have been the place poor people go to borrow DVDs for a long time now.

That and computers for porn.

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calochortus  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:15:55pm

re: #51 Stanley Sea

But will they tell?

I don’t think you could hide something like a president having strokes for very long these days.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:17:27pm

They just can’t get me out of their minds.

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calochortus  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:18:15pm

re: #56 Skip Intro

I see that trump signed the waiver putting off the embassy move for another six months. Good luck trying to find that in the news today.

Well, I think I heard it mentioned on either NPR or PBS, but that’s all just fake news, right?

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stpaulbear  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:19:51pm

re: #49 calochortus

He looked really awkward signing it-as thought the paper was slithering away under his pen. Now, I don’t blame the paper for trying to escape, but that could account for the signature.
Since the president tends to have a competent doctor in his general vicinity much of the time, I’m sure someone will notice if there is an actual medical issue.

Trump most likely has a competent doctor near him just like Elvis Presley did.

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:19:53pm

re: #60 calochortus

Well, I think I heard it mentioned on either NPR or PBS, but that’s all just fake news, right?

It wasn’t on the evening news according to my wife. She thought i was making it up.

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jaunte  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:20:50pm

re: #61 stpaulbear

Trump most likely has a competent doctor near him just like Elvis Presley did.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:21:02pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:21:55pm

re: #61 stpaulbear

Trump most likely has a competent doctor near him just like Elvis Presley did.

Hitler had his Doctor Morell around him at all times to give him injections of magic juice.

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austin_blue  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:21:57pm

re: #56 Skip Intro

I see that trump signed the waiver putting off the embassy move for another six months. Good luck trying to find that in the news today.

Second time he’s signed that waiver. It’s all for show. It’ll take years to get a new Embassy built, and it’ll cost a shitpot of simoleons, which Congress isn’t going to authorize anyway because the spooks have no intention of leaving the Tel Aviv complex, which has one of the most intricate and sophisticated comm centers outside of the US.

So he has needlessly put people in danger’s path as a result of the potential reaction to this decision, and it’s all vapor. Typical. Too bad there are no adults running the country right now, eh?

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:21:59pm

re: #37 austin_blue

Microstroke?

Establishing mental incapacity defense

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:23:20pm

re: #58 calochortus

Stroke? Probably not. Diminished intellect and physical coordination come with 1) Age and 2) Lack of sleep. Trump is renowned for little sleep. The office he holds is famously stressful. The resistance adds all the pressure and trouble it can. Add it up.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:23:36pm

re: #65 Skip Intro

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:23:48pm
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calochortus  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:24:09pm

re: #66 austin_blue

Second time he’s signed that waiver. It’s all for show. It’ll take years to get a new Embassy built, and it’ll cost a shitpot of simoleons, which Congress isn’t going to authorize anyway because the spooks have no intention of leaving the Tel Aviv complex, which has one of the most intricate and sophisticated comm centers outside of the US.

So he has needlessly put people in danger’s path as a result of the potential reaction to this decision, and it’s all vapor. Typical. Too bad there are no adults running the country right now, eh?

And, if the American embassy moves to Jerusalem, they’ll be isolated from all the other embassies since they’ll be in Tel Aviv

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:24:23pm

re: #22 FormerDirtDart

Now all the people of Syria have to be frightened of is their own government…

…and the Russians…

…and the US…

…and the Kurds…

…and the Iraqis…

…and the Israelis…

…and put your own here. There’s lots of players.

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:24:57pm

re: #69 The Ghost of a Flea

That’s what they gave the army. Hitler got more potent shit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:25:18pm

Re: Trumps health

You think the GOP realize this is exactly why the 25th Amendment exists in the first place?

//

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dangerman  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:26:07pm

I’m off.

Sometime tomorrow:. The doors soft parade

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austin_blue  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:26:48pm

re: #68 Unshaken Defiance

Stroke? Probably not. Diminished intellect and physical coordination come with 1) Age and 2) Lack of sleep. Trump is renowned for little sleep. The office he holds is famously stressful. The resistance adds all the pressure and trouble it can. Add it up.

Yeah, but his speech changed markedly from the beginning to just before the end. I’m no neurologist, but that was just a really fast physical shift of phrasing. And “dry mouth” doesn’t feed that bulldog. That was physiological, IMO.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:27:31pm

re: #33 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

NiceHash is out of business. 60 million dollars missing. $90 of it mine. Oh well, I still came out a little ahead running the app. Bitcoin heists are a lot more profitable and less risky than bank robbery.

The anarchists, I mean libertarians, are discovering that there is a good reason for central banks and currency controls.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:29:17pm

So was talking to someone happy with Trump about Jerusalem, how this gives Israel so much confidence as we back a minority population in a difficult place.

“Would American blacks be next what with all that support for a minority population in a difficult place?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:30:29pm

re: #77 Romantic Heretic

The anarchists, I mean libertarians, are discovering that there is a good reason for central banks and currency controls.

Other than the one who now has $60 mil anyway. Bitcoin has worked out very well for him.

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:30:49pm

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:31:32pm
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calochortus  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:32:33pm

re: #76 austin_blue

Yeah, but his speech changed markedly from the beginning to just before the end. I’m no neurologist, but that was just a really fast physical shift of phrasing. And “dry mouth” doesn’t feed that bulldog. That was physiological, IMO.

I still like the dentures theory. He left the podium with remarkable speed and intent when he finished. It wasn’t like he was confused, just wanting to get out of there-which isn’t his usual mode when there are cameras aimed at him.
We’ll find out if it was anything serious in due time.

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jaunte  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:33:12pm

re: #77 Romantic Heretic

The anarchists, I mean libertarians, are discovering that there is a good reason for central banks and currency controls.

Libertarians keep proving themselves to be pirates with more syllables.

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dangerman  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:35:15pm

re: #82 calochortus

I still like the dentures theory. He left the podium with remarkable speed and intent when he finished. It wasn’t like he was confused, just wanting to get out of there-which isn’t his usual mode when there are cameras aimed at him.
We’ll find out if it was anything serious in due time.

Lol ol ol olololol ad infinito

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austin_blue  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:35:22pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

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Western Pygmy Possum. Cute little guy!

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:35:25pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

I took one look and shouted, “Run, you fool! That’s just the bait!”

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calochortus  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:38:04pm

re: #84 dangerman

Lol ol ol olololol ad infinito

You think this White House can keep a secret?

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:38:07pm

re: #83 jaunte

Libertarians keep proving themselves to be pirates with more syllables.

But by calling themselves libertarians they can fool their marks, and themselves, that they’re all about liberty and not a complete refusal of ethics.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:38:26pm

re: #73 Skip Intro

That’s what they gave the army. Hitler got more potent shit.

I read Blitzed, which described both general use of drugs by the German armed forces and, in great detail, Hitler’s rapidly expanding narcotic loadout. Bonkers, man. Fucking bonkers.

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:41:25pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:43:10pm

Happy Zappadan!

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jaunte  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:44:45pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:45:20pm

There is an article on Vox which reflects my view on the Democrats need to take sexual harassment charges against fellow Democrats seriously. I know many of you disagree with this take, but I think it makes a good point that if the Democratic Party is going to harness the energy of women’s political activism for change, it has to reflect that change in itself.

It’s easy to see this as an act of shortsighted martyrdom: losing power by adhering to your ideals, winning a moral victory while losing the war. But that’s not actually how it works.

The Democratic Party isn’t just attracted to the idea of “the resistance” out of idealism. It’s attracted because that ideal — and the backlash against serial harassers in the post-Weinstein era (to the extent that the two are even different from each other to begin with) — reflects a new energy among certain groups of people (especially middle-aged suburban women of all races) that can be channeled into Democratic politics. Democrats have the power to help solidify the norm against harassment by acting on it — and they have the opportunity to show the resistance that their actions can generate real change, thus encouraging more activism down the line.

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:45:53pm

re: #89 The Ghost of a Flea

I read Blitzed, which described both general use of drugs by the German armed forces and, in great detail, Hitler’s rapidly expanding narcotic loadout. Bonkers, man. Fucking bonkers.

Interesting book, to put it mildly.

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The Major  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:46:30pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

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The Major  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:48:21pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

Awww…..that cuuuute….

Too bad Cute Overload packed it in a few years ago…..

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:48:47pm
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The Major  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:49:54pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

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petesh  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:50:41pm

re: #83 jaunte

Libertarians keep proving themselves to be pirates with more syllables.

… and fewer scruples.

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calochortus  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:51:28pm

re: #97 teleskiguy

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Umm, yeah. I’m sure that particular mix of people would be able to pull off a super-secret conspiracy with no one being the wiser.

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Belafon  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:55:02pm

re: #97 teleskiguy

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I think that hat’s a bit too small.

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jaunte  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:55:47pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:56:28pm
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Belafon  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:56:42pm

re: #102 jaunte

I love how many euphemisms there are for white supremacy.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 6, 2017 • 7:57:33pm

re: #93 Big Beautiful Door

There is an article on Vox which reflects my view on the Democrats need to take sexual harassment charges against fellow Democrats seriously. I know many of you disagree with this take, but I think it makes a good point that if the Democratic Party is going to harness the energy of women’s political activism for change, it has to reflect that change in itself.

Yup. Democrats need to take sexual harassment charges seriously.

Nope. Most of the “evidence” against Al Franken is anonymous (see Project Veritas), and the ones that aren’t do. not. rise. to. the. level. of. sexual. harassment. meriting. dismissal. So we should, you know, allow due process and the ethics committee to act before taking action.

That is all.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:01:29pm

Reportable racist hate tweet from Baby Whiplash

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:02:12pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

She had trouble getting into an SUV because of pneumonia, and look how they reacted to that.

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jaunte  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:06:12pm

Right on cue, Republicans start using “you touched me” as a dishonest manipulative tactic.

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austin_blue  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:08:21pm

re: #108 jaunte

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Right on cue, Republicans start using “you touched me” as a dishonest manipulative tactic.

Who’s the Snowflake now, asshole?

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Belafon  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:09:02pm

re: #108 jaunte

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Right on cue, Republicans start using “you touched me” as a dishonest manipulative tactic.

Who could have guessed? ///

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austin_blue  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:09:21pm

Next up:

“He looked at me funny!”

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jaunte  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:10:26pm

re: #109 austin_blue

“I’ll have you know the touch of my suited forearm is for my wife only, behind closed doors, as is decent.”

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:11:26pm

re: #107 Ace Rothstein

And I remember Hannity going on FOR WEEKS about Hillary’s “health decline.” What did that bullshit get Hannity? A cover story in The New York Times Magazine last week.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:11:39pm

Normally this wouldn’t be a big deal but he’s Secretary of the goddamned Interior and it further reinforces the fact that Trump’s nominees were only nominated to destroy their agencies from the inside. This was obviously just supposed to be a PR stunt because anybody who’d been fly fishing even once before would’ve rigged their reel correctly.

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Belafon  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:12:31pm

re: #13 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I’m watching episode 4 of The Carol Burnett Show.
I was less than a year old when it first aired in 1967.
It’s very groovy.

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The one in stripes is Vicki Lawrence.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:13:21pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

Reportable racist hate tweet from Baby Whiplash

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7 years old. But considering what happened to Seder on msnbc.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:13:28pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

I reported Benjy the Bigot but I doubt Twitter will do anything…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:14:39pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

Normally this wouldn’t be a big deal but he’s Secretary of the goddamned Interior and it further reinforces the fact that Trump’s nominees were only nominated to destroy their agencies from the inside. This was obviously just supposed to be a PR stunt because nybody who’d been fly fishing even once before would’ve rigged their reel correctly.

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Gotta portray them as manly men.

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Belafon  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:15:43pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Gotta portray them as manly men.

Only if they wear tights.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:16:21pm

When I got up at 5AM this morning and checked my weather station, the outside sensor showed 6% humidity.

Now at 815 here in Los Angeles, the sensor shows humidity at 4%…

Not gonna be good sleeping weather with the smoke…

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Mattand  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:18:00pm

re: #13 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I realized how old I really was a few years ago while watching DeNiro’s “A Bronx Tale”. Part of the story takes place around the time of your Carol Burnett clip, when I was the same age as you (less than a year).

I’m enjoying the film and thought during the scene in question “Wow, I was like one when this takes place. Lookit those fashions and tech and cars”. And all of sudden, I felt like I was watching a news reel from 1938.

I’m old.

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jaunte  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:21:47pm

Our gun culture at work, local news department:

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:22:33pm

re: #122 jaunte

Thoughts and prayers comin’ right up.

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The Major  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:23:20pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:24:01pm

re: #82 calochortus

Definitely not like how he was dawdling around when he last met with Bibi. Something was very wrong with him that day.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:24:29pm

re: #122 jaunte

Our gun culture at work, local news department:

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I might understand the absolutist position on guns were we still an Agrarian and more sparsely populated society but as were not.

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:24:59pm
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Interesting Times  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:30:07pm

:/

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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:30:26pm

Getting word that MSNBC may be about to reinstate Sam Seder.

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The Major  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:30:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:33:04pm

re: #130 The Major

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Authoritianism is kinda a turn off for many people. People still emigrate to European countries with robust welfare states.

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The Major  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:33:19pm

re: #128 Interesting Times

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:33:37pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

Getting word that MSNBC may be about to reinstate Sam Seder.

Good because they fired him over bs and a nutjobs whims.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:37:46pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

Oh man, that’d send Cernovich straight off the rails.

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jeffreyw  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:38:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:41:39pm

I want to ask people who use Venezuela to condemn all Socialism whether Chile under Pinochet can be used to condemn all Capitalism? Fair’s fair right?

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Stanley Sea  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:42:23pm

Got the high wind warning emergency call a few minutes ago.

Doesn’t seem bad in my area, but I’m going to pay attn.

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:44:20pm

$30 million Bel-Air mansion. Poof.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:48:21pm

Another installment of, “People are stupid and weird and I don’t recommend them at all”:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:48:59pm

re: #138 teleskiguy

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$30 million Bel-Air mansion. Poof.

Fine by me. That fucker can afford to rebuild.

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:50:02pm

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:51:09pm

re: #140 Eclectic Cyborg

Fine by me. That fucker can afford to rebuild.

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:52:45pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:57:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:57:37pm

re: #144 goddamnedfrank

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Draining the swamp they said.

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BigPapa  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:57:44pm

Don’t do any black magick on me. It’s really not fuckin cool.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:58:21pm

re: #142 teleskiguy

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I only feel bad in the sense that fires spread but I understand where you’re coming too because Murdoch and FNC sure as hell don’t extend any empathy to people who lose their only homes.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 8:59:04pm

re: #146 BigPapa

Don’t do any black magick on me. It’s really not fuckin cool.

I’m more partial to Blood Sugar Sex Magik.

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retired cynic  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:00:23pm

re: #144 goddamnedfrank

Again, I recommend her book!

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:04:23pm
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The Major  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:05:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:05:45pm

re: #150 teleskiguy

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I’m afraid it’s closer than we think. Trump has encouraged violence and hostility towards the media.

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prairiefire  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:06:36pm

re: #138 teleskiguy

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$30 million Bel-Air mansion. Poof.

GD fires!

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The Major  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:06:38pm
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Single-handed sailor  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:07:41pm

re: #144 goddamnedfrank

Didn’t he just have to update it a few days ago, too? I’m really getting lost. I’ve never seen shit this deep.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:12:44pm

It is now Pearl Harbor Day in Eastern Time Zone.

No proclamation for it on the White House Website (just the Jerusalem mess).

My own state governor Pete Ricketts (R) did put out a statewide proclamation to place the flag at half-mast.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:14:00pm

re: #138 teleskiguy

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$30 million Bel-Air mansion. Poof.

Praise the Holy Name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster for burning down Screwpert Murdoch’s estate! Praise the grated Romano Cheese!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:15:25pm

38 years ago Star Trek: The Motion Picture premiered…And my gang stood in line for 12 hours to see it…

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MsJ  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:15:27pm

re: #157 Joe Bacon 🌹

Praise the Holy Name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster for burning down Screwpert Murdoch’s estate! Praise the grated Romano Cheese!

Amen!

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The Major  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:16:02pm
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electrotek  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:16:15pm

How many historic early 20th century homes have been destroyed by the LA fire?

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:19:27pm

re: #161 electrotek

How many historic early 20th century homes have been destroyed by the LA fire?

We’ll know in a few days. The wind has to die down first.

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electrotek  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:21:03pm

re: #162 teleskiguy

We’ll know in a few days. The wind has to die down first.

That would be tragic honestly. Those homes are historically significant part of Los Angeles’ cultural heritage.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:22:23pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

I’m afraid it’s closer than we think. Trump has encouraged violence and hostility towards the media.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:24:39pm

re: #164 DodgerFan1988

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Yep. Fuckers. And who could forget the assault by Greg Gianforte.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:25:02pm

re: #161 electrotek

How many historic early 20th century homes have been destroyed by the LA fire?

City and County Fire Departments haven’t been able to do a full damage assessment yet. But the really bad destruction has been in Ventura. Large sections of the city are gone.

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:27:52pm

That halfpipe? All human-made snow.

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electrotek  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:27:57pm

My first attempt at tweeting without cursing (only to prevent my ass from getting blocked):

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:28:47pm
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CleverToad  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:30:41pm

re: #105 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Yup. Democrats need to take sexual harassment charges seriously.

Nope. Most of the “evidence” against Al Franken is anonymous (see Project Veritas), and the ones that aren’t do. not. rise. to. the. level. of. sexual. harassment. meriting. dismissal. So we should, you know, allow due process and the ethics committee to act before taking action.

That is all.

Yes, this.
Also, to repeat what some of us keep trying to get across, “taking seriously” and “acting hastily” are not equivalent. Usually the opposite, as in “knee-jerk” and “jumping to conclusions.”

Allow the accusers to speak to the ethics committee. Assess consequences based on evidence. THAT would respect their concerns and their voices. Today’s panicked scramble onto the bandwagon only displayed the Dems putting politics over principles, which neither shows respect, nor merits any.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:31:14pm

re: #168 electrotek

My first attempt at tweeting without cursing (only to prevent my ass from getting blocked):

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Oh I don’t know. The fact that Nazism caused a World War is a pretty big reason but yep it’s because it’s a “white ideology.” FFS wingnuts were fine with Muslims when they were using Muslims against the Soviets but nope now all Muslims should be held accountable for 9/11 just like all German Lutherans should be blamed for Nazism.

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:31:29pm
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retired cynic  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:31:50pm

re: #170 CleverToad

Thank you!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:32:03pm

re: #172 teleskiguy

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Loved Woody Harrelson in that flick.

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electrotek  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:33:05pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Oh I don’t know. The fact that Nazism caused a World War is a pretty big reason but yep it’s because it’s a “white ideology.” FFS wingnuts were fine with Muslims when they were using Muslims against the Soviets but nope now all Muslims should be held accountable for 9/11 just like all German Lutherans should be blamed for Nazism.

She’s a tool, I’ve posted her tweets back in August when they were first came to light.

I took more offense to the guy who claimed Muslim converts never speak ill of their previous faith by citing an American woman who converted from Judaism to Islam in the 1960s and denigrated her previous faith in her books then.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:35:06pm

re: #175 electrotek

She’s a tool, I’ve posted her tweets back in August when they were first came to light.

I took more offense to the guy who claimed Muslim converts never speak ill of their previous faith by citing an American woman who converted from Judaism to Islam in the 1960s and denigrated her previous faith in her books then.

It’s frustrating how stupid and ignorant people are. I wish people could just find happiness in their religion or lack there of and just respect our own individual choices. I’m not religious at all but I respect the choice be religious or not. That’s real religious liberty not wanting to get special treatment for being hostilie to certain people based off your religion.

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prairiefire  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:51:08pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

I think you need to account for ugly human aggression.

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JordanRules  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:51:48pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:53:10pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

Getting word that MSNBC may be about to reinstate Sam Seder.

Sam Seder’s first story should be what a big dick Cernovich and his fellow travellers are, making bad faith arguments.

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gocart mozart  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:55:17pm

re: #159 MsJ

Amen!

We in the FSM faith say “Ramen” and not “Amen”

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wheat-dogg  Dec 6, 2017 • 9:59:05pm

re: #180 gocart mozart

We in the FSM faith say “Ramen” and not “Amen”

Blessed be His Noodley Appendage.

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gocart mozart  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:00:14pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Hitler was Catholic not Lutheran. Nazis were about 50/50 split between the two faiths.

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:00:17pm

Good thread about having a go bag in case of an emergency.

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:00:54pm

Huh.

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gocart mozart  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:01:02pm

re: #181 wheat-dogg

And pasta be upon you my brother.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:01:25pm

Ironic that the day after the place burns, they tell me to publish the finished video. A month of planning, a crew of five including the producers. So just had to link in for my friends here. I hope it showcases what we can do as a video company.

The Angeles Shooting Range Experience

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:07:09pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

It’s frustrating how stupid and ignorant people are. I wish people could just find happiness in their religion or lack there of and just respect our own individual choices. I’m not religious at all but I respect the choice be religious or not. That’s real religious liberty not wanting to get special treatment for being hostilie to certain people based off your religion.

Two days ago I posted at the closed atheism forum I own at Yahoo (on behalf of an international social group) the issue coming before the Supreme Court about the Colorado cake shop.

I poked holes in the arguments about “religious freedom” noting you do not have a constitutional right to a business, and if you give religious rights to businesses then stand by for a new version of Jim Crow.

The flying monkey squad of Libertarians (large L) came in to claim “property rights of business owners” and such twaddle. “Well, if they don’t like it, they can just go to another business.”

I pointed out (futilely when arguing with Libertarians, though my wife gets it) that the whole country isn’t an urban area with tons of choices. My town has one store and they know we are atheists. “Just go somewhere else” would mean sixteen miles away, where those two stores also know we are atheists. “Just go somewhere else” from those two stores means 120-mile round trip shopping trips.

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petesh  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:13:33pm

re: #187 Anymouse 🌹

And these flying monkeys were registered atheists? Just goes to show that any given collection of humans will include a selection of jerks. Name me one that doesn’t!

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sagehen  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:15:38pm

re: #140 Eclectic Cyborg

Fine by me. That fucker can afford to rebuild.

At his age? It can’t be rebuilt in time for him to ever sleep in it again.

It’ll be a vacant lot until his heirs are ready to do something with it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:19:28pm

re: #188 petesh

And these flying monkeys were registered atheists? Just goes to show that any given collection of humans will include a selection of jerks. Name me one that doesn’t!

Well, I’m not sure what a “registered atheist” is. (:: They are members of the social group, and the overwhelming majority of the members of the particular Yahoo group are atheists.

As for “naming one,” it seems in their case the issue is similar to “I don’t care unless it affects me.” Two days later they are still arguing about that. Probably time to throw in a new topic (the fellow who filed to run against Rowan County KY Clerk Kim Davis).

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austin_blue  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:21:15pm

re: #186 Unshaken Defiance

Ironic that the day after the place burns, they tell me to publish the finished video. A month of planning, a crew of five including the producers. So just had to link in for my friends here. I hope it showcases what we can do as a video company.

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Video

The video is nice, but the looped music is kinda meh. Isn’t there something in the Public Domain that you can use? I’m thinking like Holst’s The Planets. (Jupiter? Mars?)

Also, shooting ranges are notoriously filthy with lead levels in soils, especially older ones like this facility. Has the client been proactive in recovering as much lead from the soil as is reasonably possible? That would be a great selling point in Cali. With the downtime they are now going to have, it would be an opportunity for them to screen the soils for bullets and shot.

Anyway, good video. I’m off for the rack. Night all, and please, SoCal Lizards, be careful and be safe. Tomorrow is going to be hell in a bucket.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:24:22pm

re: #182 gocart mozart

Hitler was Catholic not Lutheran. Nazis were about 50/50 split between the two faiths.

I know. Didn’t know it was 50-50. We don’t hold German Christianity responsible for Nazism the way these people want to blame Muslims for all terrorism done in Islam.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:27:41pm

re: #187 Anymouse 🌹

Two days ago I posted at the closed atheism forum I own at Yahoo (on behalf of an international social group) the issue coming before the Supreme Court about the Colorado cake shop.

I poked holes in the arguments about “religious freedom” noting you do not have a constitutional right to a business, and if you give religious rights to businesses then stand by for a new version of Jim Crow.

The flying monkey squad of Libertarians (large L) came in to claim “property rights of business owners” and such twaddle. “Well, if they don’t like it, they can just go to another business.”

I pointed out (futilely when arguing with Libertarians, though my wife gets it) that the whole country isn’t an urban area with tons of choices. My town has one store and they know we are atheists. “Just go somewhere else” would mean sixteen miles away, where those two stores also know we are atheists. “Just go somewhere else” from those two stores means 120-mile round trip shopping trips.

That really is the folly of “Just shop somewhere else.” I really feel as long as someone isn’t being intentionally disruptive, I think a business is wrong to ban them and I do believe sexuality and lack of religion should be protected under the law.

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petesh  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:39:19pm

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I’m not sure what a “registered atheist” is. (:: … As for “naming one,” …

Didn’t mean to be offensive, it was just shorthand for “they were members of a closed atheism forum so I figured they identified as such.” And the naming was meant to refer to other collections of humans — Protestants, librarians, Scrabble enthusiasts — every single one of which, in my experience, includes a jerk or two (at least). Even the peace groups I’ve been involved in tend to include the odd passive-aggressive self-nominated candidate for sainthood. And when I’m alone, I am forced to realize that the jerk in the group just has to be me, and whaddya know, I’m always right!

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:41:53pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:45:57pm

In other words I think it’s broken.

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:47:13pm

darthstar shared this downstairs somewhere.

Dark and twisted doesn’t begin to describe how weird and fucked up this is.

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Kragar  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:02:09pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:03:20pm

re: #194 petesh

Didn’t mean to be offensive, it was just shorthand for “they were members of a closed atheism forum so I figured they identified as such.”

You weren’t offensive (hence my right-handed four-eyed smiley face).

bbc.com

Australian House defeats last amendment, passes same-sex marriage law. It had previously passed the Australian Senate by a wide margin.

(with video)

Time to round up all the straights for the gay-conversion camps. /s

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:09:33pm

re: #198 Kragar

North Korea has threatened this sort of thing for years, under both Republicans and Democrats in the White House.

Normally, both the USA and South Korea would both blow North Korea off with “yeah, whatever, dudes” (that’s foreign policy talk for “we don’t believe you”)

With Pumpkin Pinochet in the White House, the entire world’s calculus has to change and take a crazy person in the USA into account.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:16:44pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Wow. Something’s wrong. I get that perhaps his dentures - or a bridge or whatnot - slipped, but that signature shows a real decline.

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Kragar  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:19:22pm

Tonight in Warhammer…

Nork Deddog

“Da Sergeant Major asked me what my job was an’ I said it was to, uh, do what I was told. He said I was a genius and gave me another medal. I likes da Imperial Guard!”
— Nork Deddog, Ogryn Bodyguard

Though unquestioningly loyal, Nork is no leader. Throughout his long career, he has guarded officers with remarkable military acumen, tactical genius and an innate understanding of the Astra Militarum war machine. Unfortunately, none of this has ever rubbed off on the hulking Ogryn. His singular duty demands all of his attention, and has done for the entirety of his illustrious service. In those rare instances when the subject of his protection is grievously wounded and unable to maintain their command, allied soldiers may appeal to Nork for orders — after all, he is typically the most decorated and experienced Veteran in a battalion. Such requests, however, are in vain. In Nork’s simple mind, he still has but one duty, and he will continue to protect the fallen officer until he is told to do otherwise. Fortunately, having an unconscious officer draped across his shoulder does little to hamper Nork’s ability to butcher the enemy.

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:20:17pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:20:25pm

Marriage Equality Law Passes Australia’s Parliament in Landslide Vote (goes to The Guardian)

Australia, which changed the law in 2004 to say that marriage is only between a man and a woman, now joins 24 countries which recognise same-sex marriage.

The lower house passed marriage equality with almost all members of the governing Liberal-National Coalition joining Labor, the Greens, and crossbench MPs in a free vote to pass the bill which cleared the Senate last week without amendment.

The only no votes were Coalition MPs Russell Broadbent, Keith Pitt, David Littleproud and independent MP Bob Katter.

Tony Smith declared the vote carried, since fewer than five MPs opposed it.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:20:31pm

And my phone just blew up again with an imminent alert about a fast moving brush fire north of Ojai.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:23:58pm

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

And my phone just blew up again with an imminent alert about a fast moving brush fire north of Ojai.

Are you in a safe area?

I’ve read that there are in fires in Los Angeles County, but I don’t know if that would include the area where my sister lives (Berkeley).

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:27:05pm

Fuck the Senate.

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Kragar  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:27:31pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:31:50pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:32:01pm

re: #206 Anymouse 🌹

Are you in a safe area?

I’ve read that there are in fires in Los Angeles County, but I don’t know if that would include the area where my sister lives (Berkeley).

I’m safe for now, but we had several fires break out in our area last year. The biggest fires are still a good distance away and unless a new one starts nearby I’ll be fine. Berkeley is next to Oakland & San Francisco, over 300 miles northwest of here .

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:34:53pm

re: #209 teleskiguy

Heh. Pence is most likely a nervous sorta fellow - the type who sweat with embarrassment when you talk about them.

Put any real pressure on him and he’ll fold like a cheap suit.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:35:48pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:37:43pm

Now that’s a line.

Facebook Post

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teleskiguy  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:45:46pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:51:58pm

re: #211 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Pence is most likely a nervous sorta fellow - the type who sweat with embarrassment when you talk about them.

Put any real pressure on him and he’ll fold like a cheap suit.

I think it’s pretty clear that Pence fantasizes about ridding himself of Trump, who is obviously very sick in the head and seems to be spiraling downward mentally. Pence’s problem is figuring out how to unseat his boss while keeping his fingerprints off the dagger or else earning the wrath of Trump’s atavistic base.

Furthermore Pence is much more of a far right Christian with a firm religious ideology, than a protean populist / nationalist like Trump. Worse for him is that he’s much less of a showman so I doubt he’ll be able to fake the carnival atmosphere and maintain the spectacle that has endeared Trump to the GOP’s low functioning base. So even if he can take over as President he’ll have is work cut out for him trying to distance himself from the treasonous criminality of the campaign while also earning an equivalent place in the heart of racist America.

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Scout  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:53:59pm

re: #183 teleskiguy

Good thread about having a go bag in case of an emergency.

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I’ve lived in Tokyo for 30 years. I’ve had an earthquake kit (and three days worth of food and water) for about 29.95 years.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:56:28pm
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Scout  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:58:15pm

re: #215 goddamnedfrank

I think it’s pretty clear that Pence fantasizes about ridding himself of Trump, who is obviously very sick in the head and seems to be spiraling downward mentally. Pence’s problem is figuring out how to unseat his boss while keeping his fingerprints off the dagger or else earning the wrath of Trump’s atavistic base.

Furthermore Pence is much more of a far right Christian with a firm religious ideology, than a protean populist / nationalist like Trump. Worse for him is that he’s much less of a showman so I doubt he’ll be able to fake the carnival atmosphere and maintain the spectacle that has endeared Trump to the GOP’s low functioning base. So even if he can take over as President he’ll have is work cut out for him trying to distance himself from the treasonous criminality of the campaign while also earning an equivalent place in the heart of racist America.

On the other hand, for all the goobers who don’t pay much attention, he would seem like a calm adult after Trump, and would have a lot of room to do his stupid god stuff.

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Kragar  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:05:20am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:08:01am

re: #3 HappyWarrior

It’s easy to forget about this because so much is going on so props to Seth for doing this.

yes, and whenever we get hung up on covfefe or Pocahontas, we do not see the damage that DT is doing to our nation with his government appointees.

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Teukka  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:08:57am

re: #81 teleskiguy

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:08:58am

re: #214 teleskiguy

Map of active wildfires in southern California.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:11:32am

re: #218 Scout

On the other hand, for all the goobers who don’t pay much attention, he would seem like a calm adult after Trump, and would have a lot of room to do his stupid god stuff.

He’d also be left holding Trump’s entire bag of shit and I have a hard time seeing Trump treating him well in the aftermath.

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Kragar  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:13:58am

re: #222 goddamnedfrank

The Creek fire is just North West of my Mom

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:17:06am

re: #223 goddamnedfrank

He’d also be left holding Trump’s entire bag of shit and I have a hard time seeing Trump treating him well in the aftermath.

Not to mention I’m sure there’s a contingent of Trump’s supporters that would regard Pence as a usurper.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:17:33am

re: #222 goddamnedfrank

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:17:59am

re: #224 Kragar

The Creek fire is just North West of my Mom

Shit, I’m sorry man. The good news is that North East would be a hell of a lot scarier.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:18:04am

re: #81 teleskiguy

Not all Australian animals want to kill you…

yes, but while you are cooing over this cute little pygmy opossum, a venomous snake or spider is crawling up your trouser leg…

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Kragar  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:19:23am

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

Shit, I’m sorry man. The good news is that North East would be a hell of a lot scarier.

Well, Pasadena, so she has some space between her, but still closer than I would like.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:31:51am

re: #224 Kragar

The Creek fire is just North West of my Mom

My sis lives on the south side of Burbank, so she is a few miles from the fire. According to the National Weather Service, the wind is currently from the northeast, expected to shift from the north, then from the east.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:43:54am

re: #212 goddamnedfrank

Chuck Toad. Somewhere a game show is missing its host …

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:47:00am

re: #207 teleskiguy

The same amount of people live in Los Angeles as these seven rural, mostly white states. But they have 14 Senators while Los Angeles shares two with the rest of California. Our government was not designed to be modern multiracial democracy where everyone has an equal say.

Recall George Carlin’s quote: “Think about how stupid the average person is and then remember that half of them are stupider than that”.

Combine that with a political system that gives a disproportionate share of the Senate and Electoral College vote to the stupid half and you have Modern America in a nutshell.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:47:48am

Well, it’s too late for any decent discussion, so that means pictures!

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:48:00am

Many people claiming this is a bot account. Twitter delenda est.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:53:23am

re: #215 goddamnedfrank

I think it’s pretty clear that Pence fantasizes about ridding himself of Trump, who is obviously very sick in the head and seems to be spiraling downward mentally. Pence’s problem is figuring out how to unseat his boss while keeping his fingerprints off the dagger or else earning the wrath of Trump’s atavistic base.

Mommy does not like Trump and Mikey is very beholden to her wishes…

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:55:53am
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:06:14am

Surprise. My regional newspaper printed my letter. If I get run out of my home with pitchforks and torches, is there someone who can put us up? /s

Constitution Meant to Be Interpreted (Goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

To the Editor:

Mr. Boyd Dohse wrote on Dec. 5 that the Founders did not intend the Constitution to be interpreted. That of course ignores the Constitution has a Judicial Branch, which does exactly that, along with an amendment process that has been used to strike large portions of the Constitution (notably slavery and Native citizenship, women’s right to vote, etc.).

Regarding the issue he wrote about, the Second Amendment and the DC vs. Heller Supreme Court decision, which (ironically) interpreted the Second Amendment, that decision did not strike down all regulations regarding firearms. It struck down banning an entire class of firearms (pistols), while noting that jurisdictions could still ban other classes (machine guns, for example).

As for people “not being able to own firearms” under British rule, that is simply untrue. There was no massive smuggling operation to arm colonials so they could hunt prior to the Revolution.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:06:31am

So, I am browsing Amazon Prime the other day, and I decide to put on Escape from L.A.

It had been a while since I had seen it, but the POTUS in that movie is like a combination of Mike Pence and Roy Moore. In that scenario, I think I’d rather Escape TO L.A. rather than from it.

In the earlier installment, Escape from New York, I always thought the POTUS looked a little like Steve Ballmer.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:11:54am

re: #237 Anymouse 🌹

A family member of mine likes to write to the local paper, and a lot of it gets accepted.

Unfortunately, some of it is edited in such a way that its original meaning is lost.

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Kragar  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:15:20am

re: #238 alloutofcrazyhere

Why have you got to disrespect Donald Pleasance?

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:16:28am

re: #239 alloutofcrazyhere

A family member of mine likes to write to the local paper, and a lot of it gets accepted.

Unfortunately, some of it is edited in such a way that its original meaning is lost.

Here they print a liberal’s letter once a month, whether they need to or not.

I was suprised because the original letter in the thread that prompted my response was also from a liberal (arguing the II Amendment is not some absolute right that can have no restriction).

The letter I responded to distorted the purpose of the courts and the amendment process of the Constitution.

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Cheechako  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:22:08am

Here’s a little late night humor:

I received a post-card advertisement in the mail for a Doctor specializing in neurosurgery.
It has this statement:

We specialize in
- Failed Back and Neck Surgery
- Complex Spine pain

Now who really wants “Failed surgery and complex pain”. I wonder if insurance/medicare covers this type of treatment.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:23:04am

re: #242 Cheechako

Here’s a little late night humor:

I received a post-card advertisement in the mail for a Doctor specializing in neurosurgery.
It has this statement:

Now who really wants “Failed surgery and complex pain”. I wonder insurance/medicare covers this type of treatment.

I can assume that they mean treating or correcting such surgery, but yes, poorly phrased.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:24:12am

re: #240 Kragar

I had to double check that name. I’ll admit that I am not too familiar with him as an actor. Although, I have seen some of the movies that he has played in according to IMDB.

It really is an unfair comparison to match up anyone to monkey man Ballmer though. My apologies.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:24:13am

re: #243 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I can assume that they mean treating or correcting such surgery, but yes, poorly phrased.

Needz moar copyeditor.

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teleskiguy  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:27:05am

This is the second death this winter on a FIS downhill training course, both at Lake Louise.

Dude was only 17.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:28:01am

Marvy. The water tower just called me at 2:30 AM. It’s lonely or something. I’ll be back after I check it out. It’s 15 degrees F outside so it’s probably cold.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:28:09am

re: #244 alloutofcrazyhere

I had to double check that name. I’ll admit that I am not too familiar with him as an actor. Although, I have seen some of the movies that he has played in according to IMDB.

It really is an unfair comparison to match up anyone to monkey man Ballmer though. My apologies.

The Great Escape

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alloutofcrazyhere  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:30:52am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, great movie. I tend to forget what other actors star in it since McQueen is the big headliner.

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Kragar  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:33:46am

re: #244 alloutofcrazyhere

You had to check Donald Pleasance?

GET OFF MY LAWN!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:36:15am

re: #249 alloutofcrazyhere

Yes, great movie. I tend to forget what other actors star in it since McQueen is the big headliner.

just watched it again with my 11-year-old son, that and Stalag 17, both among the classic WW2 films of all time and cinema classics in general

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Teukka  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:37:55am

re: #251 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

just watched it again with my 11-year-old son, that and Stalag 17, both among the classic WW2 films of all time and cinema classics in general

Another classic is “The Password is Courage”. An extra is reading the book Coward (sic(!)) wrote of his experiences.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:39:35am

re: #252 Teukka

Another classic is “The Password is Courage”. An extra is reading the book Coward (sic(!)) wrote of his experiences.

never heard of that one

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alloutofcrazyhere  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:47:46am

Speaking of movies, it’s getting really hard for me to get excited about seeing new films these days.

Something has to be really good for me to go see it.

I was surprised at how much I enjoyed watching Michael Clayton again since I first saw it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:50:06am

Water system alarm delenda est.

Go to the alarm system (on the south side of town). Alarm is on, saying the water tower is half a foot over the overflow. Great, that means we have water flowing in the streets.

Check the system settings, seems okay … wait a few minutes and the numbers drop by about a foot.

Go to the water tower (on the north end of town). There is no water anywhere. The tower overflow and street are absolutely dry.

I’m convinced the water tower is simply lonely.

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teleskiguy  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:57:57am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:58:08am

re: #255 Anymouse 🌹

Water system alarm delenda est.

Go to the alarm system (on the south side of town). Alarm is on, saying the water tower is half a foot over the overflow. Great, that means we have water flowing in the streets.

Check the system settings, seems okay … wait a few minutes and the numbers drop by about a foot.

Go to the water tower (on the north end of town). There is no water anywhere. The tower overflow and street are absolutely dry.

I’m convinced the water tower is simply lonely.

Your town’s water tower in action.

Oh, Hi Mark!

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:58:34am

re: #229 Kragar

Well, Pasadena, so she has some space between her, but still closer than I would like.

My sister’s wife is on oxygen due to cancer. I suspect the smoke from the Creek fires are not helping her much (they are about five miles away).

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teleskiguy  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:01:53am

It’s nice and winter cold at my twenty, 9° F at present. But there is no snow. 👿

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:16:47am

re: #259 teleskiguy

It’s nice and winter cold at my twenty, 9° F at present. But there is no snow. 👿

We have a light dusting, and currently snow flurries (as I found when I went out).

I love snow, but I just can’t be pleased: I would love it far more if you could have snow when it was 70 degrees, rather than the 15 it is now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:21:28am

re: #260 Anymouse 🌹

We have a light dusting, and currently snow flurries (as I found when I went out).

I love snow, but I just can’t be pleased: I would love it far more if you could have snow when it was 70 degrees, rather than the 15 it is now.

Tucson offers the best of both world: in winter you can see the snow up on the mountains, even smell it on the breeze, but you don’t have to shovel it and the daytime temps can still get up into the 70’s.

For that, 35° and rainy is my idea of the worst sort of weather there can be.

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teleskiguy  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:24:03am

The best weather is temperatures in the mid 20s with a snowfall rate of an inch per hour for many many hours.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:25:09am

When I woke up this morning, Bitcoin prices were already a shade over $14K. Now they are edging toward $15K.

I’m bullish on Bitcoin, but something’s gonna give soon. People will take their profits and the price will drop like a rock.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:25:26am

re: #262 teleskiguy

The best weather is temperatures in the mid 20s with a snowfall rate of an inch per hour for many many hours.

YMMV

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:26:17am

#@a!!! Frickin’ water system alarm again.

I could fix it for good if I could use my shotgun, but the village won’t let me do that. Be back sometime… .

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:37:25am

re: #263 wheat-dogg

When I woke up this morning, Bitcoin prices were already a shade over $14K. Now they are edging toward $15K.

I’m bullish on Bitcoin, but something’s gonna give soon. People will take their profits and the price will drop like a rock.

somebody is already planning a massive global hack attack…the wonders of an unregulated currency is that it is subject to any sort of manipulation

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:44:08am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

somebody is already planning a massive global hack attack…the wonders of an unregulated currency is that it is subject to any sort of manipulation

Nicehash, a service for people who want to mine Bitcoin, was hacked to the tune of $60+ million a couple of days ago. Their security was lacking, and the thieves just extracted all the Bitcoin they could.

The weak points in the Bitcoin system are the end users. If the user does not protect his assets, hackers will find a way to steal them, either by brute force or phishing attacks. And once the Bitcoin is gone, there is no getting it back.

Exchanges are also weak points, because as Willie Sutton once said, that’s where the money is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:47:05am

re: #267 wheat-dogg

Nicehash, a service for people who want to mine Bitcoin, was hacked to the tune of $60+ million a couple of days ago. Their security was lacking, and the thieves just extracted all the Bitcoin they could.

The weak points in the Bitcoin system are the end users. If the user does not protect his assets, hackers will find a way to steal them, either by brute force or phishing attacks. And once the Bitcoin is gone, there is no getting it back.

Exchanges are also weak points, because as Willie Sutton once said, that’s where the money is.

and remember that big hacking attack last summer that turned out to be a scam to drive up the price of bitcoins

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:51:31am

re: #268 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and remember that big hacking attack last summer that turned out to be a scam to drive up the price of bitcoins

Yup, cryptocurrencies are especially prone to pump-and-dump schemes, or forks, which lately have been sketchy attempts to “improve” Bitcoin by siphoning money from easy marks into the creators’ pockets.

OTOH, my investments in them have proved quite lucrative. I don’t chase every single project with dollar signs in my eyes. I try to find solid projects with a professional team of developers who seem to know what they’re doing.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:55:33am

re: #267 wheat-dogg

Nicehash, a service for people who want to mine Bitcoin, was hacked to the tune of $60+ million a couple of days ago. Their security was lacking, and the thieves just extracted all the Bitcoin they could.

The weak points in the Bitcoin system are the end users. If the user does not protect his assets, hackers will find a way to steal them, either by brute force or phishing attacks. And once the Bitcoin is gone, there is no getting it back.

Exchanges are also weak points, because as Willie Sutton once said, that’s where the money is.

Nicehash main wallet shows it at zero.

bitinfocharts.com

Redditors who are cheerleaders for cryptocurrency (sort of like cryptozoology, it doesn’t really exist) are really pissed.

reddit.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:08:16am

re: #270 Anymouse 🌹

Redditors who are cheerleaders for cryptocurrency (sort of like cryptozoology, it doesn’t really exist) are really pissed.

They hate the concept of a Federal Reserve and are cheerleaders for any currency that a government cannot control, be it gold or bit-based.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:21:38am

re: #271 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They hate the concept of a Federal Reserve and are cheerleaders for any currency that a government cannot control, be it gold or bit-based.

And small-l libertarians love the idea that it is (allegedly) untraceable, while at the same time its very untraceability makes it incredibly easy to steal.

Nicehash’s Website has been down two days now (for “maintenance”).

Funny, all my Federal Reserve notes are untraceable as well. In my real wallet. I can also use them everywhere, unlike Bitcoin, and if the government and Federal Reserve suddenly tank, we have more to worry about than whether fiat currency is a problem.

An awful lot of libertarian money-making schemes (seasteading, the Galt’s Gulch development in Chile, &c) are nothing more than scams. When said libertarians lose their money (and they always lose their money), they go whinge to the big bad government they hate to get their money back.

How much has been recovered from the MtGox Bitcoin theft? Oh right, almost nothing.

They don’t seem to learn very quickly, it’s almost like a religion.

Dammit, the water alarm just rang again. That shotgun idea is looking more and more interesting.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:35:24am

and what is thss blockchain stuff about? I scanned some articles about how it is a means of facilitating bitcoin transaction chains, but have not delved any deeper into it…

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:58:12am

re: #273 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and what is thss blockchain stuff about? I scanned some articles about how it is a means of facilitating bitcoin transaction chains, but have not delved any deeper into it…

A blockchain is the foundation of Bitcoin or any of its derivatives. It’s an encrypted, decentralized ledger of every transaction on the network. Each block is akin to an old-fashioned bound book of accounts, and is linked chronologically to the blocks behind and ahead of it.

So, presumably we could find the Bitcoin addresses containing the stolen Mt Gox or Nicehash funds, but would have no idea who owns the addresses or even where they might physically be.

Other blockchains, like the ones supporting Monero and Zcash, go one step further and obscure the addresses and/or the amounts held at those addresses.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:01:20am

re: #274 wheat-dogg

OTOH if someone happened to carelessly use the same Bitcoin address in such a way that identifies him or her, say on a blog or a marketplace website, law enforcement could eventually find the thief with old fashioned gumshoe detective work.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:03:09am

The Economist did an article on the premise of blockchains and how they are supposed to work. Traditional financial institutions (the ones that deal in real money) and governments (the ones that print real money) are looking into the tool as a means of securing their own lists.

economist.com

The idea behind blockchains is they make lists (in the case of who owns Bitcoins, the list of Bitcoin accounts) independent of listkeepers (who can be corrupted).

The drawback is blockchains can be corrupted as well, though with more difficulty (you can’t threaten to break a computer’s legs or kidnap its children).

More at the link:

Now imagine a parallel universe in which lists have declared independence: they maintain themselves. This, broadly, is the promise of the “blockchain”, the system which underlies bitcoin, a digital currency, and similar “distributed-ledger” technologies. If blockchains take over, as fans are sure they will, what are the implications of the trust business migrating into the ether?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:14:09am

re: #38 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That’s a really fast decline. There’s no way he can campaign for 2020.

Have you seen the movie ” Weekend at Bernies?”

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:22:48am

re: #275 wheat-dogg

OTOH if someone happened to carelessly use the same Bitcoin address in such a way that identifies him or her, say on a blog or a marketplace website, law enforcement could eventually find the thief with old fashioned gumshoe detective work.

That was how the FBI got Silk Road. If you’re going to run an on-line marketplace for one stop shopping of drugs and weapons of war, you need to have a stable address.

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meteor  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:29:11am

O hai. I’m at my job. Really wish I could take the day off and sleep. Tomorrow is Friday, though.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:31:25am

re: #278 Anymouse 🌹

That was how the FBI got Silk Road. If you’re going to run an on-line marketplace for one stop shopping of drugs and weapons of war, you need to have a stable address.

In fact, you don’t need to. You can change your receiving address anytime you want.. Since each address is a long alphanumeric string, there are billions of possible addresses, so each user can have as many as he wants. The Silk Road guy was either very cocky or very careless.

Law enforcement can link Bitcoin addresses to IP addresses, too. So, if someone is running a Silk Road-like operation, it’s going to generate a lot of IP traffic, including those traffic on the ports used by Bitcoin apps.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:38:06am

re: #280 wheat-dogg

In fact, you don’t need to. You can change your receiving address anytime you want.. Since each address is a long alphanumeric string, there are billions of possible addresses, so each user can have as many as he wants. The Silk Road guy was either very cocky or very careless.

Law enforcement can link Bitcoin addresses to IP addresses, too. So, if someone is running a Silk Road-like operation, it’s going to generate a lot of IP traffic, including those traffic on the ports used by Bitcoin apps.

Ultimately though, if someone wanted to buy something illegal over the Internet, they still need to get it from a real physical address. Bitcoins themselves pretty much can’t be used anywhere; you need to change them to actual money to use them in the regular marketplace.

I’m not sure exactly how the FBI figured out who the folks running Silk Road were; I imagine they have more than one method. (There is also nothing to prevent the NSA or FBI from maintaining a blockchain list either.)

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:44:24am

re: #281 Anymouse 🌹

Ultimately though, if someone wanted to buy something illegal over the Internet, they still need to get it from a real physical address. Bitcoins themselves pretty much can’t be used anywhere; you need to change them to actual money to use them in the regular marketplace.

I’m not sure exactly how the FBI figured out who the folks running Silk Road; I imagine they have more than one method. (There is also nothing to prevent the NSA or FBI from maintaining a blockchain list either.)

Quite true. And exchanging large sums of Bitcoin into national currency might attract unwanted attention. That’s why the Silk Road guy had millions of dollars worth of Bitcoin stashed on his computer (or wherever). As for the FBI, they employ very smart people. Trump’s would-be private security jackboots are pikers in comparison.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:46:02am

I bet her dentures (if HRM has them) would not fall out in public.

I understand the Queen, as a low-class person, keeps dogs in the Palace. Trump would be horrified.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:46:52am

A more recent article from The Economist (1 June 2017) on the technology behind the blockchain, and why governments are interested in that technology (aside from breaking up criminal activity):

economist.com

While the blockchain originally sought a foothold in financial services, and digital currencies attracted early attention from investors, now interest in using the technology in the public sector is growing. Brian Forde, a blockchain expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, argues that governments will drive its adoption—an ironic twist for something that began as a libertarian counter model to centralised authority. Backers say it can be used for land registries, identity-management systems, health-care records and even elections.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:50:39am
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:00:14am

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

I feel like crying and laughing at the same time. Such nonsense. It’s as if we have toddlers running this country. What reaction were Republicans expecting to such a controversial decision? I feel sorry for anyone stationed at that embassy when it’s relocated to Jerusalem.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:02:13am

Speaking of dumb criminals, this one from Safety Harbor, Florida.

Grinch Tries to Steal Christmas (goes to WFLA-TV)

A Grinch who tried to steal Christmas was busted. A Safety Harbor man is accused of stealing Christmas decorations from one yard and then displaying them in his own yard.

more …

He’s accused of stealing a 9-foot shark, a T-Rex and a penguin beach.

More at WFLA.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:12:13am

re: #287 Anymouse 🌹

Florida Man strikes yet again.

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:16:55am

re: #287 Anymouse 🌹

I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for those damn kids!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:17:33am

re: #237 Anymouse 🌹

Surprise. My regional newspaper printed my letter. If I get run out of my home with pitchforks and torches, is there someone who can put us up? /s

Constitution Meant to Be Interpreted (Goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

Nice letter

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:22:17am

I noticed a discussion about religion upthread. If you want a really nice, inspiring Twitter follow, CL (RIP) turned me on to Lee Weissman. Lee is a Breslover Hasid who is carrying out a “personal jihad” with tolerance, love and kindness.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:25:04am

re: #97 teleskiguy

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Roy Moore spokeswoman confirms that she thinks the accusations against Moore are result of a conspiracy involving the Washington Post, George Soros, the DNC, Mitch McConnell, mainstream Republicans, homosexuals, transgender people & criminals, among others

Damn. I barely made the cut.

‘Morning, all.

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:25:43am

re: #292 The Vicious Babushka

Everyone should read that, thank you for posting.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:26:52am

re: #291 I Would Prefer Not To

Nice letter

Thanks. My last letter didn’t get my house burned down, so we’ll see what happens this time (the newspaper is being delivered right now … most people here do not have Internet service so they’ll only see it when they open the paper).

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:28:15am

What Trump hath wrought:

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:30:48am

re: #296 wheat-dogg

What Trump hath wrought:

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He’s bringing Christians and Muslims together.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:31:39am

re: #296 wheat-dogg

BREAKING VIDEO: Richard Engel reports from Bethlehem as clashes between Palestinian Christians/Muslims and Israelis escalate.

what better excuse to justify and even expand his travel ban?

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:32:24am

re: #298 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

what better excuse to justify and even expand his travel ban?

[Trump pulls out dartboard]

Canada added to list.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:32:34am

The blowback begins.

I ate at this restaurant in 2012.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:35:08am

re: #300 The Vicious Babushka

The blowback begins.

I ate at this restaurant in 2012.

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Next Trump ban: Travelers from The Netherlands.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:35:31am

BUTTERY MALES!!!!1!!!!!

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:38:11am

re: #300 The Vicious Babushka

The blowback begins.

I ate at this restaurant in 2012.

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Went to Christmas midnight mass at the Church of the Incarnation, just across Manger Square. It involved three embassies, two checkpoints, frisking by Israeli and Pal security, a bunch of Mexican nuns, and a drunk with a bottle in a paper bag (that he somehow got past his friskings.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:38:47am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

BUTTERY MALES!!!!1!!!!!

Hillary Clinton lives rent-free in their heads.

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jeffreyw  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:39:30am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:40:51am

38 year old crackpot writer who ‘got Trump elected’ died of overdose.

Paul Horner had in his system alcohol; anti-anxiety meds clonazepam and diazepam; and painkillers despropionyl fentanyl and furanyl fentanyl, the Maricopa County Medical Examiner’s Office concluded, according to azcentral.com.

Drugs in the fentanyl family are 50 times more potent than heroin, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Horner, 38, was found dead Sept. 19 in bed at his mother’s home southwest of Phoenix.

nypost.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:43:15am

I went to the West Bank a long time ago (when I was in the Navy). I didn’t go to the religious spots, but did tour.

I enjoyed the trip, everyone treated me kindly.

The same was repeated for every Muslim-majority nation I went to (Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Turkey).

Thanks to our current administration, I wouldn’t go anywhere near the Middle East.

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steve_davis  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:44:28am

re: #2 FormerDirtDart

State Rep. Lori Saine (R)

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“I don’t know why it says ‘knowingly.’” Your handgun. Your bag. Pretty sure that’s what the law means by “knowingly.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:46:10am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

BUTTERY MALES!!!!1!!!!!

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So lemme get this straight, the emails are the crime of the century but Trump and his associates colluding with Russia is nothing. Got it, thanks Newt. No wonder why people call you a stupid person’s idea of an intellectual.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:46:39am

re: #307 Anymouse 🌹

I went to the West Bank a long time ago (when I was in the Navy). I didn’t go to the religious spots, but did tour.

I enjoyed the trip, everyone treated me kindly.

The same was repeated for every Muslim-majority nation I went to (Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Turkey).

Thanks to our current administration, I wouldn’t go anywhere near the Middle East.

We had sailors from a port-call for one Christmas—a couple frigates doing some work in Haifa. Our little commissary ran a weird deal with the Navy for quarterly bulk resupply of things like shrimp that were difficult to get locally.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:47:17am

It’s been nearly two hours since the water system alarm called my house. The last time I went over there, I couldn’t cancel the alarm from my telephone for some reason, so it also called our village board chairwoman (she couldn’t cancel it either). We wound up meeting together over there.

Maybe we got it fixed? (fingers crossed)

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dangerman  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:47:49am

I can’t do this Twitter link on my phone
It’s from c.r.e.w.

Jared has revised his financial disclosure form at least 39 times

39 Mulligan’s oopsies do overs

White rich connect privilege

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:51:36am

“How was your flight?”
“It was shitty.”

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Dave In Austin  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:53:42am
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:56:39am

One way or another, the Dems need to hammer home the point of that hashtag in every upcoming election.

Politics is a nasty game. Respectfully to Mrs. Obama, “when they go low we go high” is how you lose elections.

While I doubt a television or radio station would take an advert that said “John Smith is a member of the Grand Old Pedo Party” you can still get that message out.

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Teukka  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:57:01am

re: #313 The Vicious Babushka

“How was your flight?”
“It was shitty.”

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That company is going down the drain…

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Dave In Austin  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:57:01am
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Dave In Austin  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:57:56am

Hey Charlie! Looks like your snow is in Northern Mexico and West Texas………..

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:58:14am

re: #209 teleskiguy

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If Pence is smart, he won’t say anything other than to invoke his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:02:15am

re: #309 HappyWarrior

So lemme get this straight, the emails are the crime of the century but Trump and his associates colluding with Russia is nothing. Got it, thanks Newt. No wonder why people call you a stupid person’s idea of an intellectual.

I still recall his comments about Obama’s “Kenyan world view”. An obvious dog-whistle reference to the Mau-Mau uprising.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:04:23am

IMF warns Chinese economy resembles the US economy just before the 2008 recession.

theguardian.com

“The system’s increasing complexity has sown financial stability risks,” the IMF’s assessment said. “Credit growth has outpaced GDP growth, leading to a large credit overhang. The credit-to-GDP ratio is now about 25% above the long-term trend, very high by international standards and consistent with a high probability of financial distress.

“As a result, corporate debt has reached 165% of GDP, and household debt, while still low, has risen by 15 percentage points of GDP over the past five years and is increasingly linked to asset-price speculation. The buildup of credit in traditional sectors has gone hand-in-hand with a slowdown of productivity growth and pressures on asset quality.”

FWIW, the Politburo knows all this, probably, but getting such a huge economy to bend to their will is not easy, even with central planning. The People’s Bank of China (their Fed) has been trying mightily to staunch capital flight every way it can, but it’s a question of too little, too late.

OTOH, the experts have been predicting a collapse of the Chinese economy ever since I arrived in 2008, and it has yet to happen. So, who knows?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:04:48am
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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:05:25am

re: #319 Big Beautiful Door

If Pence is smart, he won’t say anything other than to invoke his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent.

Don’t know if he’s smart, but he has a talent for survival and advancement in a filthy enterprise.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:06:18am

re: #310 Decatur Deb

We had sailors from a port-call for one Christmas—a couple frigates doing some work in Haifa. Our little commissary ran a weird deal with the Navy for quarterly bulk resupply of things like shrimp that were difficult to get locally.

On a port visit to Haifa, I asked directions about which bus to take to go somewhere. Either the person I asked didn’t understand, or I didn’t understand.

I got on the bus I was directed to take, and wound up way out in the middle of nowhere in the countryside. Bus driver shut down the bus and said he was done for the day.

I was left standing with a friend in a town in the middle of nowhere … after some time a nice person saw our plight and offered to take us by car back to Haifa (to the place we were trying to get to in the first place).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:06:34am

re: #323 Decatur Deb

Don’t know if he’s smart, but he has a talent for survival and advancement in a filthy enterprise.

I assume we went into this with a plan on how to survive and still come out untainted.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:07:12am

re: #225 Dr Lizardo

Not to mention I’m sure there’s a contingent of Trump’s supporters that would regard Pence as a usurper.

Yes, Trump is a ticking time bomb that is hopefully going to blow the GOP to pieces.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:07:59am

re: #324 Anymouse 🌹

On a port visit to Haifa, I asked directions about which bus to take to go somewhere. Either the person I asked didn’t understand, or I didn’t understand.

I got on the bus I was directed to take, and wound up way out in the middle of nowhere in the countryside. Bus driver shut down the bus and said he was done for the day.

I was left standing with a friend in a town in the middle of nowhere … after some time a nice person saw our plight and offered to take us by car back to Haifa (to the place we were trying to get to in the first place).

With any luck, you’ve met a Druze.

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:08:44am
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jaunte  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:09:15am
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:09:39am
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:11:15am

re: #328 Shropshire Slasher

A day which will live in infamy.

Except on the White House Proclamation Website. You won’t find it there.

whitehouse.gov

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:11:56am

I need to restart my computer. It borked.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:12:15am

re: #331 Anymouse 🌹

Except on the White House Proclamation Website. You won’t find it there.

whitehouse.gov

They don’t want to further offend the Germans.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:14:02am

re: #254 alloutofcrazyhere

Speaking of movies, it’s getting really hard for me to get excited about seeing new films these days.

Something has to be really good for me to go see it.

I was surprised at how much I enjoyed watching Michael Clayton again since I first saw it.

As a Star Wars nerd since I was a teenager and the original came out, I’m very pumped about going to the newest installment next week. I already have my tickets for Fridays showing in Imax 3D!

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:17:47am

What kind of Trump Supporter (tm) are you?

Image: DQbowaEUQAEVYcS.jpg

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:18:56am

re: #334 Big Beautiful Door

As a Star Wars nerd since I was a teenager and the original came out, I’m very pumped about going to the newest installment next week. I already have my tickets for Fridays showing in Imax 3D!

My mother dragged me (as a teenager, along with my sister and all my cousins) to the opening day of the original Star Wars movie, along with about five other showing of the same movie. (For some reason, it was available opening day in Alma, Michigan.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:20:59am

re: #335 Anymouse 🌹

What kind of Trump Supporter (tm) are you?

Image: DQbowaEUQAEVYcS.jpg

The only DT supporters I could at least begin to understand (although never agree with) were the ones who believed that since the economy is about to collapse, it was best to elect DT and get it over with so we can start rebuilding.

They were at least consistent.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:21:45am

re: #336 Anymouse 🌹

My mother dragged me (as a teenager, along with my sister and all my cousins) to the opening day of the original Star Wars movie, along with about five other showing of the same movie. (For some reason, it was available opening day in Alma, Michigan.)

I loved the original, was increasingly less enthusiastic about the rest, now only follow the franchise because kids are into it.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:24:13am

re: #334 Big Beautiful Door

As a Star Wars nerd since I was a teenager and the original came out, I’m very pumped about going to the newest installment next week. I already have my tickets for Fridays showing in Imax 3D!

Was never interested in the original movies when I was kid. Went to one of the recent ones with coworkers and actually kind of liked it. Will probably go see this one, too.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:24:21am

Former Aides Say Trump Consoled Himself with Ice Cream After Throwing a Tantrum During Campaign (Today in toddlerhood, goes to Yahoo)

Computer is running slower than molasses in the winter. Needs a restart. I’m going to hit the rack anyway, so catch y’all later.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:26:34am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:26:40am

Hunan TV has put a new twist in filming Chinese classics — use child actors. It turns out the kids act better than most of China’s adult actors, who are often described as wooden.

sixthtone.com

Hunan TV is the most creative and “edgy” of the provincial TV networks, and its programming is usually much better than the state-sponsored CCTV. It specializes in taking foreign TV series and China-fying them.

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William Lewis  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:28:31am

re: #338 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I loved the original, was increasingly less enthusiastic about the rest, now only follow the franchise because kids are into it.

Was feeling that way. The Force Awakens was still better than then prequels though and Rogue One is arguably fighting with Empire Strikes Back for best of the bunch. If they can keep that much up, I’ll be much happier than with I-III.

Of course, if you watch them Machete Order, they gain a lot - watch IV, V, II, III, VI (I is still utterly unnecessary) and you can get a reasonable version of the tale, “From a certain Point of View”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:28:44am

re: #340 Anymouse 🌹

Former Aides Say Trump Consoled Himself with Ice Cream After Throwing a Tantrum During Campaign (Today in toddlerhood, goes to Yahoo)

Computer is running slower than molasses in the winter. Needs a restart. I’m going to hit the rack anyway, so catch y’all later.

He really is two kids standing on top of each other.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:31:27am

This is on right now if you wish to peek in.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:31:32am

re: #340 Anymouse 🌹

Former Aides Say Trump Consoled Himself with Ice Cream After Throwing a Tantrum During Campaign (Today in toddlerhood, goes to Yahoo)

Computer is running slower than molasses in the winter. Needs a restart. I’m going to hit the rack anyway, so catch y’all later.

“As many scoops as I goddamn want!”

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Dave In Austin  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:31:44am
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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:31:50am

I see that GE is laying off 12,000 workers. MAGA!

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Citizen K  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:33:42am

The continued framing around this shit still infuriates me.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:34:03am

re: #345 JordanRules

This is on right now if you wish to peek in.

Sounds like a “witch-hunt”, although not the kind Trumpy keeps whining about.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:34:32am

re: #348 wheat-dogg

And GM is also laying people off! It’s a Two-fer for President Asshole!

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Dave In Austin  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:35:04am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:35:30am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

He really is two kids raccoons standing on top of each other.

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darthstar  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:35:39am
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darthstar  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:36:46am

re: #296 wheat-dogg

What Trump hath wrought:

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I worry for Mr. Engel. He’s rolled the dice on conflict coverage so many times.

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Citizen K  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:37:16am

re: #354 darthstar

Next step is ‘Papers, please”, Jake.

Either that or people being disappeared. It’s hard to tell just which movie it is, but rest assured we’ve probably seen it before.

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darthstar  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:37:57am

Ibid est Covfefe was about the most nonsensical Trump family motto I could think of at 6 in the morning.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:39:01am

Here’s what Yahoo Finance tells me.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:39:11am

Dahlia Lithwick writes:

….Al Franken, many argue, should now resign. He should resign immediately because there are credible accusers (another emerged Wednesday), and because the behavior alleged is sufficiently abhorrent that there is simply no basis to defend him. In this parade of unilateral disarmament, Trump stays, Conyers goes, Moore stays, Franken goes.

Is this the principled solution? By every metric I can think of, it’s correct. But it’s also wrong. It’s wrong because we no longer inhabit a closed ethical system, in which morality and norm preservation are their own rewards. We live in a broken and corroded system in which unilateral disarmament is going to destroy the very things we want to preserve.

To see the double standard in action, watch Mike Huckabee making the case that Roy Moore should be welcomed into the Senate because Franken has stayed. Then keep watching and realize that in the next breath, he adds that Moore has “denied the charges against him vehemently and categorically” so they must be false. Franken and Conyers are deployed by the right to say Moore should stay, and then they are dismissed as suckers for crediting their accusers.

Sexual predation is bad and grotesque and disqualifying for national office and positions of power. Stipulated. Victim-shaming and claiming that “the people should decide” is contemptible avoidance of responsibility. But the question that remains is whether the analysis stops right there. I, too, would like to live in a world where the debate begins and ends with that proposition. But I don’t think any of us live in that world anymore. And this may not be the moment in which to try to resurrect it….

This isn’t a call to become tolerant of awful behavior. It is a call for understanding that Democrats honored the blue slip, and Republicans didn’t. Democrats had hearings over the Affordable Care Act; Republicans had none over the tax bill. Democrats decry predators in the media; Republicans give them their own networks. And what do Democrats have to show for it? There is something almost eerily self-regarding in the notion that the only thing that matters is what Democrats do, without considering what the systemic consequences are for everyone….

I’m torn. I hate this world we’re living in right now.

slate.com

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darthstar  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:39:12am

re: #356 Citizen K

Next step is ‘Papers, please”, Jake.

Either that or people being disappeared. It’s hard to tell just which movie it is, but rest assured we’ve probably seen it before.

Putin, Erdogan, Duterte, and Netanyahu have all been giving Trump advice on how to handle critics.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:39:54am

Paul went over the line. Report him.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:40:01am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:41:56am

re: #348 wheat-dogg

I see that GE is laying off 12,000 workers. MAGA!

how many more lawyers did they hire?

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steve_davis  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:42:06am

re: #277 I Would Prefer Not To

Have you seen the movie ” Weekend at Bernies?”

god, yes! the scene where the wife comes back in a drunken binge and has sex with the dead guy? Good times!

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:42:57am
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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:43:25am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:43:55am

re: #353 The Vicious Babushka

Heh that works too.

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ipsos  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:44:11am

re: #366 JordanRules

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Translation: “And fuck you, Cernovich!” :)

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jaunte  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:44:34am
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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:44:58am

My former student has a new book coming out, about girls in spaaaccceee!

Buy it. She’s good.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:45:39am

re: #362 Dave In Austin

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Poor Snowflake Paul.

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bratwurst  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:45:58am

Trump didn’t seem to have complete understanding of Jerusalem decision: report

Seems like it would be easier to just mention what Trump DOES have a complete understanding of and assume he knows shit about the rest.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:46:50am

re: #370 wheat-dogg

My former student has a new book coming out, about girls in spaaaccceee!

Buy it. She’s good.

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Exciting. Congrats to her. Have you ever considered writing a book yourself about your experiences teaching in the US and abroad?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:47:21am

re: #372 bratwurst

Trump didn’t seem to have complete understanding of Jerusalem decision: report

Seems like it would be easier to just mention what Trump DOES have a complete understanding of and assume he knows shit about the rest.

This is a reoccurring theme with him. Gah

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:48:47am

re: #361 Dave In Austin

Paul went over the line. Report him.

Reported. But once again, Twitter will give a pass to him because he’s a Radical RepubliKKKlan!

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:49:17am

re: #373 HappyWarrior

Exciting. Congrats to her. Have you ever considered writing a book yourself about your experiences teaching in the US and abroad?

It is a thought pestering the back of my brain, but I have not found my muse yet.

Meanwhile, something is afoot in DC.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:50:25am

re: #369 jaunte

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Awww, the poor little GRASSHOLE can’t play in any reindeer games…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:50:54am

re: #372 bratwurst

Trump didn’t seem to have complete understanding of Jerusalem decision: report

One of the reasons the Religious Right was big on supporting a casino owner and whoremonger was the fact that they knew they could get him to do such a thing.

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Belafon  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:52:14am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

BUTTERY MALES!!!!1!!!!!

Among the many parts to this, the there’s the fact that she didn’t delete any emails herself.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:52:33am

re: #378 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One of the reasons the Religious Right was big on supporting a casino owner and whoremonger was the fact that they knew they could get him to do such a thing.

These Radical Christians are going to get the shock of their lives when JC and his Sonshine Band® pull a no-show at Armageddon…

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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:53:50am

re: #184 teleskiguy

Huh.

Gutfield: he’s an insufferable leftist who hates my guts but @SamSeder got royally screwed by @MSNBC & deserves an apology and his job back.😡

When you realize that you might be next.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:54:05am

re: #376 wheat-dogg

It is a thought pestering the back of my brain, but I have not found my muse yet.

Meanwhile, something is afoot in DC.

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One of my teachers did. Need to get it and then get him to sign.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:54:23am

It is bedtime here for me. Laterz all!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:54:44am

re: #381 MsJ

When you realize that you might be next.

Yep Greg’s scared he may cross Cernovich and find himself targeted.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:55:07am

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jaunte  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:56:07am

re: #362 Dave In Austin

Nehlen is stuck on using “fat” as an insult, as if he never got out of elementary school.

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darthstar  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:56:18am

BTW, started watching “The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel” on Amazon last night. Fucking hilarious.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:56:42am

Fuuuuck!

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:57:06am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:58:29am

re: #388 Dave In Austin

Fuuuuck!

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JFC and these are his advisers saying this.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:59:12am

re: #135 jeffreyw

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And I always thought she had a great voice also. I like her very much as a performer.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 6:59:26am
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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:00:11am

re: #235 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Mommy does not like Trump and Mikey is very beholden to her wishes…

Plus, I am sure that Mommy would love for Daddy to be POTUS so he could fully, forcefully implement Christian “values”.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:00:36am

re: #388 Dave In Austin

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jaunte  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:00:51am

re: #388 Dave In Austin

Simpleminded Party Elects Mayor Of Simpleton To Destabilize Complex World That Thinks It’s Too Good For Them.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:01:33am

re: #388 Dave In Austin

Fuuuuck!

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The man truly is crazy enough to think that Middle East Peace is as easy to negotiate as the renovation of one of his apartment complexes.

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darthstar  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:01:59am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:01:59am

I never want to again hear how we need an “outsider” in Washington. This guy. This fucking guy.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:03:03am

re: #396 Targetpractice

The man truly is crazy enough to think that Middle East Peace is as easy to negotiate as the renovation of one of his apartment complexes.

Indeed, he thinks his son in law would succeed where other more intelligent and informed diplomats have failed. He in short is a moron.

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lawhawk  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:03:25am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. The right wing agitprop gibbons are busy as usual, whether it’s Fox, the incessant stream of hypocritical right wingers who show up on the show to gaslight and bloviate, or are tweeting away incessantly.

Take Tomi Lahren, who like Trump constantly claims that protests against racial discrimination and police brutality are an attack against the flag, the nation, or the president (or all of the above).

It’s a steady stream of insanity, and it’s intended to wear down those who oppose all this craziness.

That’s why we have to resist and fight. We have to show that we stand for something good and righteous.

When Trump talks of being for law and order, he’s really talking about enabling bigots and misogynists and whites to do crimes, while attacking blacks, minorities, Muslims, and women. After all, no one who calls themselves law and order in a just world would ever back someone like Roy Moore who’s been accused by multiple credible women with contemporanous evidence of Moore sexually harassing or assaulting the women when they were in their teens (and as young as 14).

Beyond that, no one calling themselves law and order should support a judge who was twice removed from the state judiciary because he refused to follow the law. Moore’s actions are the very kind of activism that the GOP supposedly hates (but the reality is that they hate judicial activism and judges who rule against them - not activism per se). They don’t mind when their extremist judges rule in their favor, and they hope that stacking the judiciary with extremists will shape the caselaw for decades to come - thanks to the obstructionism by McConnell and the craven GOP.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:06:22am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:06:54am

re: #400 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. The right wing agitprop gibbons are busy as usual, whether it’s Fox, the incessant stream of hypocritical right wingers who show up on the show to gaslight and bloviate, or are tweeting away incessantly.

Take Tomi Lahren, who like Trump constantly claims that protests against racial discrimination and police brutality are an attack against the flag, the nation, or the president (or all of the above).

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It’s a steady stream of insanity, and it’s intended to wear down those who oppose all this craziness.

That’s why we have to resist and fight. We have to show that we stand for something good and righteous.

When Trump talks of being for law and order, he’s really talking about enabling bigots and misogynists and whites to do crimes, while attacking blacks, minorities, Muslims, and women. After all, no one who calls themselves law and order in a just world would ever back someone like Roy Moore who’s been accused by multiple credible women with contemporanous evidence of Moore sexually harassing or assaulting the women when they were in their teens (and as young as 14).

Beyond that, no one calling themselves law and order should support a judge who was twice removed from the state judiciary because he refused to follow the law. Moore’s actions are the very kind of activism that the GOP supposedly hates (but the reality is that they hate judicial activism and judges who rule against them - not activism per se). They don’t mind when their extremist judges rule in their favor, and they hope that stacking the judiciary with extremists will shape the caselaw for decades to come - thanks to the obstructionism by McConnell and the craven GOP.

Did Tomi condemn the guys who literally fired on BLM or I get it, you’re only a “cop hater” if you’re black and dare to criticize police misconduct. She’s s sad little hack.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:07:35am

re: #401 JordanRules

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These people sigh.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:08:22am
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lawhawk  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:10:15am

re: #341 Joe Bacon 🌹

How can she have deleted 33,000 emails?

For starters the 33,000 have already been investigated and nothing was found - no matter how much the GOP tries to make this into something nefarious or criminal.

The GOP had Clinton testify for hours under oath, and they found… precisely nothing.

This infuriates the GOP so much, because they have nothing else to offer anyone except the incessant investigations of the winner of the popular vote of the 2016 general election.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:10:30am

re: #396 Targetpractice

The man truly is crazy enough to think that Middle East Peace is as easy to negotiate as the renovation of one of his apartment complexes.

He “negotiates” a “Great Deal” and then stiffs the contractors!

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John Carter  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:10:58am

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

Another installment of, “People are stupid and weird and I don’t recommend them at all”:

The problem I always see with Christians and Satan is they are creating another go that rivals god.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:11:59am

re: #405 lawhawk

How can she have deleted 33,000 emails?

For starters the 33,000 have already been investigated and nothing was found - no matter how much the GOP tries to make this into something nefarious or criminal.

The GOP had Clinton testify for hours under oath, and they found… precisely nothing.

This infuriates the GOP so much, because they have nothing else to offer anyone except the incessant investigations of the winner of the popular vote of the 2016 general election.

Right. Weren’t they able to basically get them from recipients and other sources?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:12:20am

re: #407 John Carter

The problem I always see with Christians and Satan is they are creating another go that rivals god.

The real God that Radical KKKristians worship is Ayn Rand.

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Citizen K  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:13:06am

re: #392 JordanRules

Said it before, but worth saying again:

This, again, is why I’m not super-stressing about the people tearing their hair out about ‘Why aren’t Dems fighting harder?!’ If they were, how would you tell, the way the media overlooks everything but horse race, scandal, and TRUMP! over anything of actual policy import?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:14:25am

If Tomi actually educated herself rather than just being a right wing hack, she’d know Kaep chose to kneel on the advice of a former Green Beret but facts are not what she sells, only outrage for the right wing men who ogle her since nothing gets them more hard than an attractive young woman who regurgitates their talking points. Who the fuck is she to accuse him of hating this country when she kisses Trumps ass and Trump has insulted this country unlike Kaep.

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lawhawk  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:14:27am

re: #408 Barefoot Grin

And the State Department.

Where they go batcrap insane is that some of the emails found their way on to Huma’s computer, which then ended up on Anthony Weiner’s computer - and caught up in his sexting investigation.

Note - this wasn’t Clinton wrongdoing, but the GOP isn’t good at nuance except when they’re trying to claim Roy Moore is law and order candidate all while ignoring his child molestation and sex predator actions.

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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:15:54am

re: #340 Anymouse 🌹

Former Aides Say Trump Consoled Himself with Ice Cream After Throwing a Tantrum During Campaign (Today in toddlerhood, goes to Yahoo)

Computer is running slower than molasses in the winter. Needs a restart. I’m going to hit the rack anyway, so catch y’all later.

From that article:

“With Manafort’s arrival, the meeting went from theater of the absurd to a scene out of The Godfather,” the authors recall.

According to Lewandowski and Bossie, Trump exploded at the mere sight of Manafort. “You think I’m a baby, Paul?” Trump reportedly screamed, as Giuliani and Bannon tried, unsuccessfully, to calm him down.

“Am I a baby, Paul? You think you’re so f—ing smart! Like you’re a genius! Well, you suck on TV!” Trump reportedly shouted.

“By the time the boss finished, Manafort looked like a crushed blue beer can,” the authors say. “Even Bannon felt sorry for him.”

And…

Trump’s temper tantrums and love of comfort food are recurring themes in the book.

One of his McDonald’s dinner orders consisted of “two Big Macs, two Fillet-O-Fish, and a chocolate malted” — and amounted to 2,530 calories.

“On Trump Force One there were four major food groups: McDonald’s, Kentucky Fried Chicken, pizza and Diet Coke,” the authors write.

Ugh.

And this book was written by his supporters. Wow.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:16:44am

re: #410 Citizen K

Agreed and it’s worth repeating!

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:18:06am

re: #413 MsJ

From that article:

And…

Ugh.

And this book was written by his supporters. Wow.

I can see why he doesn’t want Bethesda to do an exam of him. His blood probably has the consistency of gravy by now.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:21:08am

re: #362 Dave In Austin

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Paul Nehlen is a fascist who ran against Paul Ryan in the GOP primary. He retweeted a picture of the Charlottesville march praising white power, and wants to deport all Muslims.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:23:35am

re: #413 MsJ

Sometimes it’s hard for me to imagine all these grown ass people letting this moron bully the ever loving shit out of them. The public humiliation and overall abusive behavior is definitely a tool folks like him use. But seriously not one person has ever just responded by cussing him out or punching him in the mouth?

I hate bullies as it is, but this dumbass really pisses me off. Amazing what he’s been able to get away with for half a century.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:26:58am

re: #412 lawhawk

And the State Department.

Where they go batcrap insane is that some of the emails found their way on to Huma’s computer, which then ended up on Anthony Weiner’s computer - and caught up in his sexting investigation.

Note - this wasn’t Clinton wrongdoing, but the GOP isn’t good at nuance except when they’re trying to claim Roy Moore is law and order candidate all while ignoring his child molestation and sex predator actions.

Oh right. I got confused over the Weiner computer—email thing because I was guilty of reading Louise Mensch’s bullshit at the time. I can’t remember what is fact and what is fantasy.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:27:50am

re: #400 lawhawk

I was wondering, do you happen to know if the repeal of the estate tax in the GOP bill means that the yearly gift tax non-spouse per person per recipient gift tax exemption limit will also go away? I think it kind of has to since right now individual gifts in excess of the yearly $15K limit can be applied against the lifetime estate exemption of the giver, but since there won’t be a lifetime estate tax exemption limit after the bill becomes law then hypothetically the consequence is the gift tax goes away too.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:29:34am

re: #368 ipsos

Translation: “And fuck you, Cernovich!” :)

Yeah go suck a big bag of dicks, Cernovich.

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lawhawk  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:32:13am

re: #418 Barefoot Grin

Oh right. I got confused over the Weiner computer—email thing because I was guilty of reading Louise Mensch’s bullshit at the time. I can’t remember what is fact and what is fantasy.

The GOP is good at baffling with BS, and then there are shit stirrers like Mensch and Abramson who are good at capitalizing on confirmation bias. I’ve blocked Mensch and tuned out Abramson.

Fact is, if you want to follow what’s going on with the investigation, better to look to people like Preet Bharara who actually knows what he’s talking about than Mensch who’s bull shitting legal mumbo jumbo and claiming secret indictments and criminal charges against Trump are already filed when that’s not how the process works.

Bharara’s much more cautious when it comes to stuff like the Flynn guilty plea - noting that Mueller may have gotten the plea that he did because that’s what he’s able to prove at the present, or that Mueller’s keeping his powder dry for other charges down the road - or handing them off to state prosecutors that are beyond the pardon power reach of Trump. I think the latter’s probably correct, but it’s a combination that Mensch and other folks clamoring for impeachment don’t want to hear.

It just takes time to develop cases - especially ones as complicated as this.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:34:13am

re: #421 lawhawk

The GOP is good at baffling with BS, and then there are shit stirrers like Mensch and Abramson who are good at capitalizing on confirmation bias. I’ve blocked Mensch and tuned out Abramson.

Fact is, if you want to follow what’s going on with the investigation, better to look to people like Preet Bharara who actually knows what he’s talking about than Mensch who’s bull shitting legal mumbo jumbo and claiming secret indictments and criminal charges against Trump are already filed when that’s not how the process works.

Bharara’s much more cautious when it comes to stuff like the Flynn guilty plea - noting that Mueller may have gotten the plea that he did because that’s what he’s able to prove at the present, or that Mueller’s keeping his powder dry for other charges down the road - or handing them off to state prosecutors that are beyond the pardon power reach of Trump. I think the latter’s probably correct, but it’s a combination that Mensch and other folks clamoring for impeachment don’t want to hear.

It just takes time to develop cases - especially ones as complicated as this.

Yes, I’ve subscribed to Preet’s podcast—informative and funny. His recent special on Flynn was great.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:34:26am

Wow. Look at justice! Good to see you!

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BigPapa  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:36:49am

re: #423 JordanRules

Wow. Oh hai Justice, haven’t seen you in some time.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:37:31am

re: #424 BigPapa

Didn’t even recognize it at first!

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lawhawk  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:38:06am

re: #423 JordanRules

What makes that so noteworthy is that so few law enforcement officers are actually held criminally accountable when they kill the citizens they’re supposed to protect.

Most officer involved shootings involving unarmed victims never get the justice they deserve.

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BigPapa  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:39:41am

House Judiciary Committee Hillary Email drinking game stars now.

I advise Coors Light or near beer as you’ll be hammered pretty quick.

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plansbandc  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:40:06am

re: #292 The Vicious Babushka

I love him. He gives me hope.

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mmmirele  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:40:14am

re: #362 Dave In Austin

Reported. That shit is completely unacceptable.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:41:01am

re: #427 BigPapa

Gulp!!

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Interesting Times  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:42:10am

re: #410 Citizen K

This, again, is why I’m not super-stressing about the people tearing their hair out about ‘Why aren’t Dems fighting harder?!’ If they were, how would you tell, the way the media overlooks everything but horse race, scandal, and TRUMP! over anything of actual policy import?

The democratic base can most certainly tell, and many of them share the same disdain for MSM double-standards as the rest of us. GOPers responded to truthful media coverage about how horrid they are by creating their own propaganda ecosystem, and thanks to their rabid threats, cowed much of the MSM into submission (either that, or willful sabotage by rightwing nutjob creeps like Andy Lack who pretend to run a liberal network while actually trying to subvert it)

Again, just because the MSM is against them doesn’t mean Dems have to roll over and accept it - they can go directly to their base via social media (“you won’t hear the bothsiderist media covering this, but…”)

At the very least, they shouldn’t say things that come across as kowtowing to or being stupidly naive about GOPer evil (e.g. Chuck Schumer’s “we wanted so badly to be bipartisan” lament, or - far worse - wavering about defending DREAMers)

And the rest of us also have a role to play - why do you think MSNBC is reinstating Sam Seder? Public pressure, that’s how. And the same pressure needs to be brought against the MSM in other respects when they engage in stupid, dangerous, willful ignorance. They need to be reminded again and again that the GOPer base has its cult media already and the only thing propping up the MSM is sane people.

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mmmirele  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:46:18am

I’ve gotten these phone calls, where it’s claimed you owe a debt and you need to pay NOW. I’m sure you have as well. If you read through the story, you’ll learn that the numbers are completely made up bullshit.

Millions Are Hounded for Debt They Don’t Owe. One Victim Fought Back, With a Vengeance

Andrew Therrien wanted payback. He got it—and uncovered a conspiracy.

Seriously, strongly recommended read, even if you think the guy was somewhat crazy, because you learn about how AWFUL the bottom end of debt collection is. It’s based on absolute, utter and complete garbage information.

bloomberg.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:48:13am

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:49:11am

re: #423 JordanRules

Wow. Look at justice! Good to see you!

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Yea, I think he actually got a mistrial in state court despite the video of him shooting a fleeing, unarmed man in the back.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:51:03am

Mini thread and link to the piece…

More of this!

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:52:00am
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ipsos  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:53:33am

re: #436 JordanRules

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I’d love for some reporter to ask him:

1. Where is Pearl Harbor? Can you show me on a map?

2. What happened there on Dec. 7, 1941?

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:54:49am

re: #437 ipsos

I’d love for some reporter to ask him:

1. Where is Pearl Harbor? Can you show me on a map?

2. What happened there on Dec. 7, 1941?

Its a jewelry store Melania loves to shop at! There was a bash and grab theft by MS13 thugs!

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:55:17am

Oh lordy. Melon too.

Fuckin kakistocracy!

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:56:26am

re: #433 The Vicious Babushka

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:00:39am

re: #439 JordanRules

Oh lordy. Melon too.

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Fuckin kakistocracy!

It’s even worse! Melanoma is from Europe, she said it happened on July, 11th.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:01:48am

re: #436 JordanRules

It’s date. And which. A *date* *which* will live in infamy.

PC history nazis!

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:02:18am

re: #439 JordanRules

Oh lordy. Melon too.

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Fuckin kakistocracy!

[trump] I AM RIGHT! FDR SAID IT WRONG! LOUSY DEM! [/trump]

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:02:46am

re: #441 bill d. (b.d.)

Pearl Harbor truthers?? Maybe it did happen in July!!!!
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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:03:23am

re: #444 JordanRules

Pearl Harbor truthers?? Maybe it did happen in July!!!!
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Looks pretty warm there for it to be December…

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:03:39am

re: #444 JordanRules

Pearl Harbor truthers?? Maybe it did happen in July!!!!
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If Trump said it did, that is when Trumpanzees would start remembering it.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:04:26am

re: #444 JordanRules

Pearl Harbor truthers?? Maybe it did happen in July!!!!
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It was shot on a sound stage.

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Lupin  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:06:43am

The EU is finally taking steps to muzzle the American RW cancer. Since you can’t do it yourself, we’ll do it for you.

guardian

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:08:57am

re: #436 JordanRules

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he even re-tweeted himself:

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:10:59am

re: #447 Decatur Deb

Starred Belushi…

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:11:01am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:12:19am

re: #440 Decatur Deb

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William Lewis  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:12:56am

re: #447 Decatur Deb

It was shot on a sound stage.

As if there aren’t enough CTs regarding FDR and Pearl Harbor, we really need to be careful about giving idiots more ideas…

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:13:10am

re: #448 Lupin

Good! I say regulate them anyway though.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:14:07am

re: #452 The Vicious Babushka

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danarchy  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:14:43am

re: #447 Decatur Deb

It was shot on a sound stage.

With Ben Affleck…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:14:54am

re: #423 JordanRules

Wow. Look at justice! Good to see you!

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Awesome.

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Kilroy was here  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:15:12am

As if being an embarrassment was somehow a negative..

Democratic Alabama Senate candidate hits Moore in ad: ‘I’ll never embarrass you’
thehill.com

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:15:18am
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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:15:42am

re: #432 mmmirele

I’ve gotten these phone calls, where it’s claimed you owe a debt and you need to pay NOW. I’m sure you have as well. If you read through the story, you’ll learn that the numbers are completely made up bullshit.

Seriously, strongly recommended read, even if you think the guy was somewhat crazy, because you learn about how AWFUL the bottom end of debt collection is. It’s based on absolute, utter and complete garbage information.

bloomberg.com

That story is NUTS. “Wow” doesn’t begin to cover it. Holy f’ing shit!

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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:15:55am

OT: So I went and saw Michigan Wunderkinder Greta Van Fleet at the Bowery Ballroom in NYC last night. I woke up early this morning, dusted off my rock critic hat and posted a quasi-review on Facebook. Here it is, for any interested parties. Hidden behind the button in case you’re not.

So, Greta Van Fleet. I’m somewhat…torn. Conflicted, if you will.

Like pretty much every other rock fan in America, I’ve been delightedly watching the band’s YouTube videos for the better part of a year, and I went to last night’s show with a shit ton of expectation. For the most part, GVF delivered. They’re handsome lads who can really play, and they worked hard to give the crowd what they came for. Lead singer Josh Kiszka has kind of a clumsy/dorky stage presence which I expect will smooth itself out over time, but overall the band showed an awful lot of poise for a group of 20-somethings who have been thrown into the deep end of the expectations pool by their label.

The Kiszka brothers have glommed onto something huge - an age-diverse crowd with a common love for Led Zeppelin. They’ve written two EPs worth of songs using some of Zep’s biggest tunes as a template, and musically they did not disappoint. Josh has got a set of pipes that simply do not quit - a few times I thought he’d hit the top of his range, only to hear him expand his top yet again. Guitarist Jake has got Pagey’s tone (and many of his stage mannerisms) nailed cold, and bassist Sam may be the band’s secret weapon, filling the JPJ role of multi-instrumentalist extremely well. And drummer Danny Wagner channels Bonzo, minus a little of the swing and swagger (in fairness, who COULD do that?) and hopefully without the vices and violence.

The songs were slick, well-written, cleverly arranged, with a lot of that stop-and-go that Zep was so good at. The only time they fell a little short was when they covered Cactus’ version of ‘Evil,’ and I’m not sure why - well-played, VERY well-sung, tight as hell. But it felt a little…calculated.

And there’s the rub. And that’s why I left the show a little less sold than when I walked in.

Maybe their label is pushing them to play up the similarities to the band that is obviously their guiding light. Maybe seeing the show in total context gave a clearer picture than watching single song performances on YouTube. Maybe the little niggling details - Josh’s faux Brit accent at the beginning of the set, the dedication of a song to Tom Petty that felt a little more aimed at getting a crowd response than honoring the man - just put me off a little.

But I get it. They’re in the bigs now and there are expectations to be met. But I said to my drummer afterward that it reminded me of those Les Paul copies made with a 3D printer - they might look right, all the parts are there, but they still just seem a little off. That’s not Greta Van Fleet’s fault. They could not have picked a more iconic act to pattern themselves after. They aimed high. And damned if they didn’t get closer than any of the other bands who have tried to fill the LZ void since Bonzo exited the stage.

I still enjoyed them quite a lot - 20 somethings with guitars and attitude is definitely good for this world. And once GVF outgrow their influences - which is inevitable - they’ll be a band that will be remembered and loved for rocking as hard as they can.

But if they announce that they’re going to represent each band member with a symbol and paint those symbols on the side of a private jet, I might get a little mad.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:15:58am

re: #455 Decatur Deb

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:17:07am

re: #453 William Lewis

As if there aren’t enough CTs regarding FDR and Pearl Harbor, we really need to be careful about giving idiots more ideas…

I’m not saying the Jews were behind it, but “Torah, Torah, Torah”?

‘Cmon now.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:18:04am

Here’s the tree doing some weekly falling in the forest. Can you hear it media??

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:18:42am

re: #432 mmmirele

I’ve gotten these phone calls, where it’s claimed you owe a debt and you need to pay NOW. I’m sure you have as well. If you read through the story, you’ll learn that the numbers are completely made up bullshit.

Seriously, strongly recommended read, even if you think the guy was somewhat crazy, because you learn about how AWFUL the bottom end of debt collection is. It’s based on absolute, utter and complete garbage information.

bloomberg.com

and this is why we need an active and supportive CFPB

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:20:30am

re: #462 The Vicious Babushka

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:20:59am

re: #359 Barefoot Grin

Dahlia Lithwick writes:

….Al Franken, many argue, should now resign. He should resign immediately because there are credible accusers (another emerged Wednesday), and because the behavior alleged is sufficiently abhorrent that there is simply no basis to defend him. In this parade of unilateral disarmament, Trump stays, Conyers goes, Moore stays, Franken goes.

Is this the principled solution? By every metric I can think of, it’s correct…

This isn’t a call to become tolerant of awful behavior. It is a call for understanding that Democrats honored the blue slip, and Republicans didn’t. Democrats had hearings over the Affordable Care Act; Republicans had none over the tax bill. Democrats decry predators in the media; Republicans give them their own networks. And what do Democrats have to show for it? There is something almost eerily self-regarding in the notion that the only thing that matters is what Democrats do, without considering what the systemic consequences are for everyone….

I’m torn. I hate this world we’re living in right now.

slate.com

I think I’ve read this article already without reading the article.

I think it was posted here…in several comments.

And we still labor over the facts.

And the facts seem to be: do the right thing and pay for it.

And all the good a Franken could do is gone…and all the evil a Roy Moore will do survives and is rewarded.

I too hate this world we are living in. And one added comment…the Republicans tell me they want a country based on Judeo-Christian rule.

When are they going to act like it?

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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:21:53am

BTW, reading that article noted above from Yahoo on the campaign trail with trump…the Yahoo comments are over the top against trump. Yahoo always had the worst of the worst conservative comments. Now, every one I read was against trump.

Unscientific data but there you have it.

My fav? MAGA - Mueller Ain’t Going Away

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:24:43am

re: #469 MsJ

Bots play both sides and comment sections like Yahoo were one of the earliest playgrounds for the disinfo op.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:25:55am

re: #470 JordanRules

Bots play both sides and comment sections like Yahoo were one of the earliest playgrounds for the disinfo op.

During the dubyah regime, the yahoo comments section was an utter free-for-all shit show.

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Citizen K  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:26:04am

re: #468 ObserverArt

I think I’ve read this article already without reading the article.

I think it was posted here…in several comments.

And we still labor over the facts.

And the facts seem to be: do the right thing and pay for it.

And all the good a Franken could do is gone…and all the evil a Roy Moore will do survives and is rewarded.

I too hate this world we are living in. And one added comment…the Republicans tell me they want a country based on Judeo-Christian rule.

When are they going to act like it?

They never wanted to act like it. They simply wanted the brand name.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:26:37am

re: #460 MsJ

In the mid-1990s, Scott opened a payday-loan store and gave his brothers jobs. Lending money to people who don’t have any is surprisingly profitable. In states where such stores are legal, such as Missouri, they’re more common than McDonald’s franchises. But in the 15 states where such stores are against the law, there are millions of desperate people willing to pay for fast cash and no one to give it to them. Scott pioneered what he thought was a clever legal loophole that would give him access to that market: He created websites that were owned on paper by an American Indian tribe, which could claim sovereign immunity from regulators. Those sites charged as much as $150 interest on a two-week, $500 loan—an annualized interest rate of about 700 percent.

Well, we can all be glad the GOP is out to sink the “out of control” Consumer Financial Protection Board, so these fine companies and operators won’t be regulated.

////

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:27:12am

re: #432 mmmirele

I used to get these phone calls from the “IRS.” They said they were going to sue me for unpaid taxes, but the IRS can’t sue for unpaid taxes, all they can do is try to collect them. When I pointed that out to the “IRS agent,” the “IRS” didn’t call me anymore.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:28:21am

re: #468 ObserverArt

I think I’ve read this article already without reading the article.

I think it was posted here…in several comments.

And we still labor over the facts.

And the facts seem to be: do the right thing and pay for it.

And all the good a Franken could do is gone…and all the evil a Roy Moore will do survives and is rewarded.

I too hate this world we are living in. And one added comment…the Republicans tell me they want a country based on Judeo-Christian rule.

When are they going to act like it?

To paraphrase the familiar saying, too many are mistaking what is popular for what is right. It’s suddenly popular to demand his resignation, but it’s not the right thing to do because it deprives him (and us) of the due process to which he is entitled. There’s no positive outcome to that, just another Democrat ran out of office while the GOP continues to act as though their shit don’t stink.

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sagehen  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:30:22am

re: #448 Lupin

The EU is finally taking steps to muzzle the American RW cancer. Since you can’t do it yourself, we’ll do it for you.

guardian

Thank you.

Seriously. Thank you.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:30:53am

re: #366 JordanRules

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So Seder is back. Yay!

I signed that petition and I also wrote a lengthy email to NBC News about some of their wimpy decisions.

And Fuck Mike Cernovich and his followers of idiots.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:31:05am

re: #376 wheat-dogg

It is a thought pestering the back of my brain, but I have not found my muse yet.

Meanwhile, something is afoot in DC.

1. That was yesterday.
2. If you check later in that twitter feed they update the story.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:32:12am

re: #372 bratwurst

Trump didn’t seem to have complete understanding of Jerusalem decision: report

Seems like it would be easier to just mention what Trump DOES have a complete understanding of and assume he knows shit about the rest.

How do you mention nothing???

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:33:16am

re: #477 ObserverArt

Yay! Thanks for letting NBC know!

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:34:48am

re: #475 Targetpractice

To paraphrase the familiar saying, too many are mistaking what is popular for what is right. It’s suddenly popular to demand his resignation, but it’s not the right thing to do because it deprives him (and us) of the due process to which he is entitled. There’s no positive outcome to that, just another Democrat ran out of office while the GOP continues to act as though their shit don’t stink.

An investigation is underway. If Franken comes up dirty, he should get whatever sanctions the seriousness of the proven charges require. In the mean time, it’s entirely possible that his clownishness presented an O’Keefeish opportunity for a Roy Moore ratfuck. Follow the damn process.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:34:57am

re: #432 mmmirele

I’ve gotten these phone calls, where it’s claimed you owe a debt and you need to pay NOW. I’m sure you have as well. If you read through the story, you’ll learn that the numbers are completely made up bullshit.

Seriously, strongly recommended read, even if you think the guy was somewhat crazy, because you learn about how AWFUL the bottom end of debt collection is. It’s based on absolute, utter and complete garbage information.

bloomberg.com

An incredible article. Thanks

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:35:54am

re: #475 Targetpractice

To paraphrase the familiar saying, too many are mistaking what is popular for what is right. It’s suddenly popular to demand his resignation, but it’s not the right thing to do because it deprives him (and us) of the due process to which he is entitled. There’s no positive outcome to that, just another Democrat ran out of office while the GOP continues to act as though their shit don’t stink.

From Fivethirtyeight article on the benefits to the Democrats of setting a higher moral standard than the GOP.

Maintaining the moral high ground isn’t always easy. It means you have to hold your party to a higher standard than the other party. It means you sometimes have to make real trade-offs. But it can also pay political dividends and mitigate political risks. Democrats just lost an election in 2016 against a historically unpopular candidate because their candidate was disliked nearly as much. The political environment is favorable for Democrats in 2018, but perhaps the easiest way that Democrats could blow their opportunity is if voters conclude that as bad as Republicans are, Democrats are no better. With Democrats coming around to a tougher stance on Franken and Conyers while Republicans equivocate on Moore and restore funding to his campaign, they’ll be able to draw a clearer distinction for voters.
Nate Silver is the founder and editor in chief of FiveThirtyEight.   @natesilver538

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Dr. Matt  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:38:59am

re: #432 mmmirele

I’ve gotten these phone calls, where it’s claimed you owe a debt and you need to pay NOW. I’m sure you have as well. If you read through the story, you’ll learn that the numbers are completely made up bullshit.

Seriously, strongly recommended read, even if you think the guy was somewhat crazy, because you learn about how AWFUL the bottom end of debt collection is. It’s based on absolute, utter and complete garbage information.

bloomberg.com

Last week I received a phone call from my own phone (yes, you read the correct) and when I picked up there was an automated response saying they were from AT&T, my account has been flagged, and I needed to enter the last 4 digits of my SSN.

Sounded legit, so I gave them my entire SSN to be safe.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:39:00am

Conyers and Franken: these two things are not like each other.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:39:54am

re: #396 Targetpractice

The man truly is crazy enough to think that Middle East Peace is as easy to negotiate as the renovation of one of his apartment complexes.

That was his whole campaign! Sure he believed it and so did a gazillion American voter fools.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:40:42am

re: #483 Big Beautiful Door

From Fivethirtyeight article on the benefits to the Democrats of setting a higher moral standard than the GOP.

Nate needs to stick to statistics, because when he tries to wax morally, he tends to ignore that people don’t act as the numbers say the should. Having Franken face an ethics committee investigation would still be a more serious step than the GOP is prepared to take with Moore or Trump. Resignation should not be the only option, especially not when we get almost daily reminders of how hard we got ratfucked last year.

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:41:13am

c-span.org

Senator Franken Live coming up

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:41:25am

re: #484 Dr. Matt

Last week I received a phone call from my own phone (yes, you read the correct) and when I picked up there was an automated response saying they were from AT&T, my account has been flagged, and I needed to enter the last 4 digits of my SSN.

Sounded legit, so I gave them my entire SSN to be safe.

Is your SSN 123-45-6789?

What a coincidence! So is mine!

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:41:47am

re: #485 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Confers and Franken: these two things are not like each other.

They are if you approach sexual politics with the clarity of Savonarola.

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I cannot.  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:42:19am

God I hate YouTube comment sections, from a TYT video about the proposal for a private intelligence agency…

Manuel Avila
4 minutes ago (edited)
have you seen what the cia has done historically? the CIA topples democratically elected officials, assisinations, gun running, drug running, is it really that preposterous to imagine that maybe the cia cant be trusted

My reply

Yes. We know the CIA is untrustworthy, and that’s even WITH government oversight.

This is a proposal to create an entirely separate apparatus that answers to nobody but Trump. And Trump is not exactly famous for being very ethical himself. So take all the problems with the CIA that we already have, and make them worse, and THAT is what they’re proposing.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:42:55am

re: #484 Dr. Matt

Last week I received a phone call from my own phone (yes, you read the correct) and when I picked up there was an automated response saying they were from AT&T, my account has been flagged, and I needed to enter the last 4 digits of my SSN.

Sounded legit, so I gave them my entire SSN to be safe.

After several years without debt collector calls, I just got two (voicemail messages) from something called Stellar Recovery. I ignored both, and they seem to have gone away (it’s been weeks).

Phishing, telephone style?

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:43:55am

re: #487 Targetpractice

Nate needs to stick to statistics, because when he tries to wax morally, he tends to ignore that people don’t act as the numbers say the should. Having Franken face an ethics committee investigation would still be a more serious step than the GOP is prepared to take with Moore or Trump. Resignation should not be the only option, especially not when we get almost daily reminders of how hard we got ratfucked last year.

If Franken wants to watch a parade of women describe how he forced himself on them on national tv, he certainly has the option to announce today he is sticking it out. I don’t think he will though.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:44:02am

re: #491 I cannot.

God I hate YouTube comment sections, from a TYT video about the proposal for a private intelligence agency…

My reply

CIA has its bad history for sure so let’s have a private agency with no oversight at all?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:44:25am

re: #320 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still recall his comments about Obama’s “Kenyan world view”. An obvious dog-whistle reference to the Mau-Mau uprising.

The Mau-Mau came in ‘53, all we had was lost.
In our old colonial home,
We drank our bitters while the empire fell.

Something prophetic there, rather than reminiscent.
I slightly rearranged the stanza for my own purposes

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:45:19am

re: #493 Big Beautiful Door

If Franken wants to watch a parade of women describe how he forced himself on them on national tv, he certainly has the option to announce today he is sticking it out. I don’t think he will though.

That would mean their giving up their anonymity. Works for me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:46:54am

re: #487 Targetpractice

Nate needs to stick to statistics, because when he tries to wax morally, he tends to ignore that people don’t act as the numbers say the should. Having Franken face an ethics committee investigation would still be a more serious step than the GOP is prepared to take with Moore or Trump. Resignation should not be the only option, especially not when we get almost daily reminders of how hard we got ratfucked last year.

Again, there is the dichotomy between what is Morally Right and what is Politically Right, but the GOP have painted American politics into such a corner that they can do no political wrong, or at least suffer no consequences from it.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:48:19am

re: #489 The Vicious Babushka

Is your SSN 123-45-6789?

What a coincidence! So is mine!

HEY! PUT THAT BEHIND A ‘HIDE’ TAG! Jebus.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:48:41am

re: #493 Big Beautiful Door

If Franken wants to watch a parade of women describe how he forced himself on them on national tv, he certainly has the option to announce today he is sticking it out. I don’t think he will though.

and in the nuance-free world of Fox News and GOP talking points, unwanted sexual advances towards adult women = serially molesting teenagers.

Really, best to walk away and let worse things come out about the GOP.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:49:00am

re: #493 Big Beautiful Door

If Franken wants to watch a parade of women describe how he forced himself on them on national tv, he certainly has the option to announce today he is sticking it out. I don’t think he will though.

Well hell, if I were in his position, where my party had chosen in the name of political expediency to bail on my ass, I’d probably consider throwing in the towel as well. Why continue to serve in a party that has all the spine of a flatworm?

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:49:03am

re: #497 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, there is the dichotomy between what is Morally Right and what is Politically Right, but the GOP have painted American politics into such a corner that they can do no political wrong, or at least suffer no consequences from it.

We’ll see Tuesday if Moore suffers any political consequences. He is the favorite, but his lead is within the margin of error, and special elections are hard to poll.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:49:52am

re: #501 Big Beautiful Door

We’ll see Tuesday if Moore suffers any political consequences. He is the favorite, but his lead is within the margin of error, and special elections are hard to poll.

the fact that he is still in the running at all is a real indication of moral bankruptcy

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Dr. Matt  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:49:54am

re: #432 mmmirele

This quote from the story…

The two men started talking and texting a few times a week. “I think he has a mental illness that allows him to think he did nothing wrong,” Therrien told me. (Tucker didn’t respond to most of my emailed questions and kept putting off interview requests.

…sounds exactly like Dotard J. Trump.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:50:26am

re: #417 JordanRules

Sometimes it’s hard for me to imagine all these grown ass people letting this moron bully the ever loving shit out of them. The public humiliation and overall abusive behavior is definitely a tool folks like him use. But seriously not one person has ever just responded by cussing him out or punching him in the mouth?

I hate bullies as it is, but this dumbass really pisses me off. Amazing what he’s been able to get away with for half a century.

They apparently all by into the myth that he is rich and powerful. So, they think they can get something from him if they hang and take the abuse.

I think many, like a Lewandowski, would have nothing else going on that would bring them the attention they are getting if not taking the abuse and being a Trumper.

Anyone that was of strong make-up would punch him out.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:51:03am

re: #501 Big Beautiful Door

We’ll see Tuesday if Moore suffers any political consequences. He is the favorite, but his lead is within the margin of error, and special elections are hard to poll.

Yeah, how about that, Moore continues to fight until the bitter end, getting his party’s support back after refusal to heed calls to drop from the race. And he still stands a good chance of victory.

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:53:53am

Senator Al Franken steps down.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:54:14am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:54:14am

re: #500 Targetpractice

Well hell, if I were in his position, where my party had chosen in the name of political expediency to bail on my ass, I’d probably consider throwing in the towel as well. Why continue to serve in a party that has all the spine of a flatworm?

That’s not how I see it. Protecting our own no matter what is precisely what women are fighting against now.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:55:09am

re: #508 Big Beautiful Door

That’s not how I see it. Protecting our own no matter what is precisely what women are fighting against now.

And so the only alternative is to run men out of politics. Gotcha.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:55:23am

re: #423 JordanRules

Wow. Look at justice! Good to see you!

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Great.

I hope this causes some prosecutors around the country to grow some backbone and use this case to help them hold their own police departments responsible for their actions.

And I hope this sends a message to F.O.P. organizations and departments all over that they are not free to just shoot and expect to be protected.

So, have the F.O.P. types started their bitching yet?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:55:41am
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:55:57am

re: #508 Big Beautiful Door

If you look at the comments of women on this board, you will see why I can’t let that go.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:56:53am

re: #505 Targetpractice

Yeah, how about that, Moore continues to fight until the bitter end, getting his party’s support back after refusal to heed calls to drop from the race. And he still stands a good chance of victory.

Only because Alabama is such a deeply red state that a Democrat would normally have no chance at all of winning. Now we need to paste all Republicans with the stain of Moore and Trump, and we’ll see how they fair in purple and blue states.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:56:55am

And the GOP rejoices…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:57:33am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:57:58am

re: #509 Targetpractice

And so the only alternative is to run men out of politics. Gotcha.

You know that isn’t my position, but you keep pushing that strawman.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:57:59am
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:58:20am

re: #506 Shropshire Slasher

Senator Al Franken steps down.

Which is the only reason you stopped by, to gloat.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:58:31am

re: #513 Big Beautiful Door

Only because Alabama is such a deeply red state that a Democrat would normally have no chance at all of winning. Now we need to paste all Republicans with the stain of Moore and Trump, and we’ll see how they fair in purple and blue states.

And when he wins next week, then what? Do we put away the guillotine? Or do we ramp up the bloodletting?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:58:45am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:59:23am

He’s not going down quietly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:59:29am

re: #509 Targetpractice

And so the only alternative is to run men who abuse women out of politics. Gotcha.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:59:30am

re: #510 ObserverArt

Great.

I hope this causes some prosecutors around the country to grow some backbone and use this case to help them hold their own police departments responsible for their actions.

And I hope this sends a message to F.O.P. organizations and departments all over that they are not free to just shoot and expect to be protected.

So, have the F.O.P. types started their bitching yet?

Even they may have enough shame not to defend a man shooting an umarmed person in the back on film.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 8:59:47am

re: #516 Big Beautiful Door

You know that isn’t my position, but you keep pushing that strawman.

It is your position because you’ve set the bar lower than a snake’s ballsack. That any allegation must be treated as serious, with no opportunity for defense because we’ll then be seen as being on the same moral level as the GOP.

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:00:06am

re: #518 goddamnedfrank

At least I am not gloating because someone’s house is burning down.

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William Lewis  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:00:09am

re: #506 Shropshire Slasher

Senator Al Franken steps down.

American women lose. Now Tuesday will get the GOF 2 more votes to destroy women’s rights with. If I had a daughter, I’d emigrate tomorrow.

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Belafon  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:00:12am

re: #508 Big Beautiful Door

That’s not how I see it. Protecting our own no matter what is precisely what women are fighting against now.

Your kid gets accused of punching someone, and a picture shows up of him smiling in a pose suggesting it. Then letters show up at the principal’s office with no names saying they were punched. Do you defend your son until an investigation is completed or do you throw him to the wind?

We’re not defending Franken to defend him. We’re defending him because the process as it currently is is stacked against Democrats. It’s the same reason we threw a fit when Comey was fired.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:01:04am

re: #513 Big Beautiful Door

Only because Alabama is such a deeply red state that a Democrat would normally have no chance at all of winning. Now we need to paste all Republicans with the stain of Moore and Trump, and we’ll see how they fair in purple and blue states.

The alleged ass-grabber is out and the explicit anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-suffragist theocrat is coming in. There’s your take-away.

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Belafon  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:01:57am

re: #524 Targetpractice

It is your position because you’ve set the bar lower than a snake’s ballsack. That any allegation must be treated as serious, with no opportunity for defense because we’ll then be seen as being on the same moral level as the GOP.

All accusations should be treated as serious. Accusations should not be accepted as a conviction without an investigation.

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William Lewis  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:02:49am

re: #508 Big Beautiful Door

Hope you’re happy with the ruin this puritopian stupidity will cause.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:03:11am

re: #528 Decatur Deb

The alleged ass-grabber is out and the explicit anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-suffragist theocrat is coming in. There’s your take-away.

The standard remains the same: Democrats sacrifice their own out of an empty belief of “moral superiority,” while the party that wears such like a Halloween mask will defend a child molester so long as he’s a good chance of winning.

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Interesting Times  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:03:19am

re: #528 Decatur Deb

Facebook Post

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:04:56am

re: #531 Targetpractice

The standard remains the same: Democrats sacrifice their own out of an empty belief of “moral superiority,” while the party that wears such like a Halloween mask will defend a child molester so long as he’s a good chance of winning.

moral superiority and five bucks will get you a Starbuck’s latte

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:06:10am

asshole alert

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:06:24am

So the DNC has sacrificed two of their own on the altar of “Moral Superiority,” while the GOP elected an admitted sexual predator to the White House and is about to elect a child molester to the Senate. Fan-fucking-tastic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:06:30am
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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:06:42am
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:07:32am

At the moment, I’m almost as annoyed at Franken for not sticking it out. Maybe he’ll at least wait until after the Ethics Hearing.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:08:14am

re: #534 Backwoods_Sleuth

asshole alert

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At least Franken didn’t drool over his daughter’s looks or support Roy Moore, dumbass.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:09:02am

re: #533 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

moral superiority and five bucks will get you a Starbuck’s latte

…while the GOP controls both chambers and the White House. The American electorate no longer rewards morality. As the Dems take the high road, the GOP gains more and more power. We are a White Trash nation.

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retired cynic  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:10:24am

re: #283 wheat-dogg

I understand the Queen, as a low-class person, keeps dogs in the Palace. Trump would be horrified.

If he shows up, she should allow (command?) them to jump up on him and drool.

542
Belafon  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:10:31am

re: #540 Dr. Matt

…while the GOP controls both chambers and the White House. The American electorate no longer rewards morality. As the Dems take the high road, the GOP gains more and more power. We are a White Trash nation.

I think the Democrats are about to gain a bit back, and they are, but it’s not going to hang on this issue.

543
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:12:30am

re: #535 Targetpractice

So the DNC has sacrificed two of their own on the altar of “Moral Superiority,” while the GOP elected an admitted sexual predator to the White House and is about to elect a child molester to the Senate. Fan-fucking-tastic.

and it is terribly optimistic to think that the Democratic Party is going to see any political advantage from this…

544
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:12:43am
545
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:13:15am

re: #541 retired cynic

If he shows up, she should allow (command?) them to jump up on him and drool.

I’ve heard that some of the corgis actually bite…

546
Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:13:50am

re: #543 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and it is terribly optimistic to think that the Democratic Party is going to see any political advantage from this…

Yeah, the Access Hollywood audio really killed Trump’s chances, didn’t they?

//////

547
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:14:58am

re: #540 Dr. Matt

…while the GOP controls both chambers and the White House. The American electorate no longer rewards morality. As the Dems take the high road, the GOP gains more and more power. We are a White Trash nation.

again, we have a political system that disproportionately over-represents the the least educated and most bigoted portion of our electorate in both the Senate and the Electoral. Not to mention a gerrymandered voting district system for the House of Representatives.

548
Dr. Matt  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:15:11am
549
JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:15:13am
550
darthstar  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:15:31am
551
Belafon  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:15:54am

re: #546 Targetpractice

Yeah, the Access Hollywood audio really killed Trump’s chances, didn’t they?

//////

I can see the woman with the shirt with the arrow pointing down in my head.

552
FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:16:22am
553
Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:17:07am

re: #552 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

Music to Yertle’s ears.

554
FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:17:37am

And, while everyone is focusing on Franken

555
ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:18:17am

re: #494 HappyWarrior

CIA has its bad history for sure so let’s have a private agency with no oversight at all?

You mean like the Consumer Protection Agency they just threw a fit over because it didn’t have oversight?

556
Ace-o-aces  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:20:28am
557
electrotek  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:21:01am

re: #556 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

Christ, I have no words.

558
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:22:51am

just a little bit of snow here in TheBackwoods…just enough to hide the mud.

559
Ace-o-aces  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:23:37am

Hey, looks like there is still some justice left in the world after all.

560
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:23:51am
561
ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:24:34am

re: #507 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

re: #507 The Vicious Babushka

NBC News

@NBCNews
BREAKING: Sen. Franken says that he is resigning nbcnews.to
11:53 AM - Dec 7, 2017

And there it is.

I bet this is all forgotten in a year and it would not surprise me one bit if some of the accusers come out some time down the road and uh, clear things up. Of course that will be after 2020.

562
makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:24:48am

re: #534 Backwoods_Sleuth

asshole alert

[Embedded content]

He’s rightfully getting slammed, with the exception of a couple of cult members.

563
stpaulbear  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:25:11am

I’m at work so I haven’t read through any of the comments yet. I just found out that Franken is going to resign.

I’ve already said my share about why I hate this (cannibalism sucks) , but I just want to add that it won’t take an hour before the only-perfection progressives to start howling about who Gov. Dayton picks as his replacement. I kind of wishfully hope that Dayton picks Walter Mondale just to piss off the right.

564
Ace-o-aces  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:25:38am
565
Ace-o-aces  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:26:01am

re: #557 electrotek

Christ, I have no words.

Scott is a special kind of stupid.

566
Dr. Matt  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:26:18am

re: #556 Ace-o-aces

I bet Scott Presler’s parents are related…..closely related.

567
blueraven  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:26:41am

Well Roger Stone is laughing today.

It smells. Smells really bad.

568
Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:30:03am

re: #567 blueraven

Well Roger Stone is laughing today.

[Embedded content]

It smells. Smells really bad.

It did from the beginning. And stupid Senate Democrats short-circuited his right to a full investigation.

569
Dr. Matt  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:30:04am

re: #567 blueraven

Well Roger Stone is laughing today.

It smells. Smells really bad.

I read an unverified tweet that Roger Stone was coaching one of Franken’s accusers.

570
ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:30:39am

re: #525 Shropshire Slasher

At least I am not gloating because someone’s house is burning down.

You realize you just admitted to what you are up to. Not like most here didn’t know, but thanks for the confirmation.

571
Ace-o-aces  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:31:58am

re: #569 Dr. Matt

I read an unverified tweet that Roger Stone was coaching one of Franken’s accusers.

Unverified tweets are the gold standard for news these days.

572
Ace-o-aces  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:32:02am
573
Dr. Matt  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:32:32am

re: #571 Ace-o-aces

Unverified tweets are the gold standard for news these days.

No sarcasm tags needed because it’s actually true.

574
dangerman  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:34:00am

same scenario as yesterday
different doctors waiting room and Wi-Fi

updings working!

575
wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:34:27am

Good morning. Or not.

576
FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:34:57am

re: #554 FormerDirtDart

And, while everyone is focusing on Franken

It’s worse

577
ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:35:27am

re: #543 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and it is terribly optimistic to think that the Democratic Party is going to see any political advantage from this…

Optimistic or naive?

I’m still remembering John Kerry getting slammed for actually serving in Vietnam.

How long ago was that already?

Yeah, Republicans and their backers are gonna change.

578
Cheechako  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:35:59am

For those following the wild-fires in SoCal here is one of the best mapping aps:


US Wildfire Activity App

579
lawhawk  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:37:17am

re: #544 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because Uber and Lyft always pick up rides, even if they’re black…. except when they don’t.

It’s the racism, stupid.

The service, whether it’s the NYC yellow cab, green cab, or Lyft or Uber, can and do engage in racial discrimination.

It’s what the response is and how to deal. It’s not to demand the person being discriminated against to find another service. It’s to hold the person discriminating accountable.

580
Stanley Sea  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:38:30am

re: #564 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

581
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:38:31am

re: #575 wrenchwench

Good morning. Or not.

Sheriff: 3 dead after shooting at high school in Aztec

what is the minimum victim count to qualify this as a “mas shooting”?

582
lawhawk  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:39:32am

re: #581 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

FBI crime stat definition for a mass shooting is 3+ shot.

583
Stanley Sea  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:40:13am

re: #578 Cheechako

For those following the wild-fires in SoCal here is one of the best mapping aps:


US Wildfire Activity App

Are you heading down?

584
wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:40:25am

re: #581 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

what is the minimum victim count to qualify this as a “mas shooting”?

re: #582 lawhawk

FBI crime stat definition for a mass shooting is 3+ shot.

Does the shooter (original one) count?

585
Ace-o-aces  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:41:33am

This thread about sums up the stupidity of Trump’s ME policy.

586
ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:43:28am

re: #549 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

I just signed up through AEP Energy for my electric supplier the other day. They gave me the option of selecting their “Green-e® Energy Certified 100% wind-generated renewable energy certificates and Generation Service.

I know all electricity no matter how it is generated is dumped into the power grid so I asked why they ask if I want that option? They said by picking that option I was sending a message to the industry and to the government about future energy use and development.

I said “sign me up!”

587
darthstar  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:44:04am

re: #585 Ace-o-aces

This thread about sums up the stupidity of Trump’s ME policy.

[Embedded content]

If anything good comes out of this, it will be Saudi Arabia canceling the check they gave Jared to keep the Russian mobsters he owes money to from electrocuting him by the testicles.

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stpaulbear  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:44:13am

re: #567 blueraven

Well Roger Stone is laughing today.

[Embedded content]

It smells. Smells really bad.

You know who’s really laughing today? Jeff F’ing Beauregard Sessions.

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electrotek  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:45:15am

re: #585 Ace-o-aces

This thread about sums up the stupidity of Trump’s ME policy.

[Embedded content]

Iyad is always a breath of fresh air with his excellent analysis of MENA affairs.

590
darthstar  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:45:28am
591
lawhawk  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:45:41am

re: #584 wrenchwench

The FBI and federal law don’t distinguish between shooter and victims for purposes of the definition. Public Law 112-265 simply states: “…the term ‘mass killings’ means 3 or more killings in a single incident;”

592
ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:46:53am

re: #553 Targetpractice

Music to Yertle’s ears.

I heard that the person he selects may only be a holding place. They are considering an open special election or something and that would invite Republicans.

I’m sure this will all work out for the best.

*cough*

593
William Lewis  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:47:01am

re: #563 stpaulbear

I’m at work so I haven’t read through any of the comments yet. I just found out that Franken is going to resign.

I’ve already said my share about why I hate this (cannibalism sucks) , but I just want to add that it won’t take an hour before the only-perfection progressives to start howling about who Gov. Dayton picks as his replacement. I kind of wishfully hope that Dayton picks Walter Mondale just to piss off the right.

As a NASA fanboy, I’ll never forgive him but I’d welcome him back for this purpose.

594
ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:48:17am

re: #558 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

just a little bit of snow here in TheBackwoods…just enough to hide the mud.

You beat Columbus for first actual snow cover. We had some flakes…

595
Belafon  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:49:39am

re: #592 ObserverArt

I heard that the person he selects amy only be a holding place. They are considering an open special election or something and that would invite Republican.

I’m sure this will all work out for the best.

*cough*

I think someone above said the rules are the replacement serves until a special election to be held next year at the midterms, and then another election in 2020 when the seat is up.

596
Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:49:39am

re: #567 blueraven

Well Roger Stone is laughing today.

It smells. Smells really bad.

of course there were additional allegations after that, which made things worse.

597
ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:50:42am

re: #567 blueraven

Well Roger Stone is laughing today.

[Embedded content]

It smells. Smells really bad.

As I said just above. This will all be cleared up by the end of November 2020.

598
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:50:51am

re: #594 ObserverArt

You beat Columbus for first actual snow cover. We had some flakes…

I was really surprised that there was as much on the ground; some is still there. The goofy coonhound is acting like she never saw snow before.

599
wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:51:21am

The President has already issued his ‘thoughts and prayers’ message. The President of the Navajo Nation, that is. ‘Prayer’ types not specified.

600
The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:51:44am

My mentions are filling up with Trumporrhoids over this. Time for some Preparation B(Block)

601
blueraven  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:51:52am

re: #568 Decatur Deb

It did from the beginning. And stupid Senate Democrats short-circuited his right to a full investigation.

Sacrificed a good Senator and possible innocent man for some dubious political benefit of the “moral high ground”.

They could have let the process play out , but now they have signaled they will not stand up for their own. Who is next?

602
retired cynic  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:53:11am

re: #483 Big Beautiful Door

I am SO tired of Clinton being labeled as disliked. And with Franken’s speech this morning, I am in tears, and close to doing something I will regret. So I’m signing off.

603
Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:53:44am

KOAT tv about 10 minutes ago.
What we know about the deadly Aztec High School shooting

New Mexico State police said two students are dead after a shooter opened fire at Aztec High School Thursday morning. They add the shooter is also dead.

Officials with the Navajo Nation add that 15 others were injured.

So, it’s a mass shooting.

604
I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:53:57am

re: #399 HappyWarrior

Indeed, he thinks his son in law would succeed where other more intelligent and informed diplomats have failed. He in short is a FUCKING moron.

Always makes me feel a little better

605
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:55:43am
606
HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:57:51am

re: #605 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

JFC.

607
darthstar  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:58:27am

Here’s the thing about Trump’s coming war in the Middle East that really gets under my skin. It’s not the current troops he’s putting in danger, though that bothers me too. It’s all the 13, 14 and 15 year olds I see that will be cannon fodder before this is over. Hell. Most of today’s troops were in fucking diapers on 9/11. Time moves so fast it’s hard to keep up.

608
stpaulbear  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:58:48am

re: #602 retired cynic

I am SO tired of Clinton being labeled as disliked. And with Franken’s speech this morning, I am in tears, and close to doing something I will regret. So I’m signing off.

I’ve been holding my tongue all week for the same reason.

609
HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:59:41am

re: #607 darthstar

Here’s the thing about Trump’s coming war in the Middle East that really gets under my skin. It’s not the current troops he’s putting in danger, though that bothers me too. It’s all the 13, 14 and 15 year olds I see that will be cannon fodder before this is over. Hell. Most of today’s troops were in fucking diapers on 9/11. Time moves so fast it’s hard to keep up.

I hear ya. I have a sixteen year old brother who is considering enlisting.

610
MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 9:59:49am

re: #567 blueraven

Well Roger Stone is laughing today.

[Embedded content]

It smells. Smells really bad.

Every damn time, Stone has advance notice. Every time.

Stinks doesn’t begin to cover it.

611
The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:01:53am

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612
Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:02:20am

re: #606 HappyWarrior

JFC.

Seriously. Now you’ll have to wonder if the pops going off are fireworks or gunshots.

613
Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:03:24am

re: #605 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Thank God the DNC is focused on what really matters: Running their own out of office on anonymous accusations of ass-groping.

614
HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:03:34am

re: #612 Eclectic Cyborg

Seriously. Now you’ll have to wonder if the pops going off are fireworks or gunshots.

I know. Sigh. Perfect opportunity to commit a crime with a gun.

615
FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:04:19am

re: #580 Stanley Sea

616
bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:05:46am

Can this both-sider, conservadem, third way loser go away forever now?

Please?

617
Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:05:49am

re: #615 FormerDirtDart

He could still get a lighter sentence on appeal.

618
MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:06:28am

re: #616 bill d. (b.d.)

Can this both-sider, conservadem, third way loser go away forever now?

[Embedded content]

Please?

Isn’t he the freezer-full-of-cash guy?

619
The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:07:41am

WUT

620
HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:07:55am

re: #618 MsJ

Isn’t he the freezer-full-of-cash guy?

That was Bill Jefferson of Louisiana.

621
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:08:07am
622
Ace Rothstein  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:08:14am

re: #618 MsJ

Isn’t he the freezer-full-of-cash guy?

No that was William Jefferson of Louisiana.

623
bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:08:15am

re: #618 MsJ

Isn’t he the freezer-full-of-cash guy?

That was Washington(?) and I think he’s still in jail.

This is a former rep. and failed senate candidate who appears on all of the talking head shows for some reason

624
bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:08:43am

re: #622 Ace Rothstein

No that was William Jefferson of Louisiana.

Jefferson/Washington…I was close!!!

//

625
HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:08:44am

re: #616 bill d. (b.d.)

Can this both-sider, conservadem, third way loser go away forever now?

[Embedded content]

Please?

I never got why the Democratic Party saw him as some sort of future leader.

626
DodgerFan1988  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:09:09am

re: #615 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

The Blue Lives Matter crowd are triggered all over social media.

627
HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:09:27am

re: #621 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Rich coming from Mr. Benghazi.

628
blueraven  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:10:08am

re: #483 Big Beautiful Door

From Fivethirtyeight article on the benefits to the Democrats of setting a higher moral standard than the GOP.

Nate is not God. He stated, with citation of a Qpoll, that voters care about about sexual harassment allegations. Really?

Trump
Moore

Where is the outrage over Blake Farenthold?

Also, what could hurt the Dems is if it comes out later that this was all or mostly a set up against Franken. Do you think the hordes will praise them then?

I think it will paint them as politically correct, weak kneed, cowards.

629
Barefoot Grin  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:12:16am

re: #619 The Vicious Babushka

WUT

[Embedded content]

That means: shut down the liberal colleges.

630
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:12:23am
631
ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:12:37am

re: #619 The Vicious Babushka

WUT

[Embedded content]

Nice stovepipe slacks there Ivanka. Got some kids in there?

632
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:13:51am
633
Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:16:37am

re: #628 blueraven

Nate is not God. He stated, with citation of a Qpoll, that voters care about about sexual harassment allegations. Really?

Trump
Moore

Where is the outrage over Blake Farenthold?

Also, what could hurt the Dems is if it comes out later that this was all or mostly a set up against Franken. Do you think the hordes will praise them then?

I think it will paint them as politically correct, weak kneed, cowards.

It won’t so much paint them as such as reinforce that perception among voters. The claim is that this will help us among women voters, but how many Dem voters are going to see the cowardly way that Franken was forced to resign and decide that it’s not worth supporting the party? Why vote for a candidate when a handful of “anonymous” allegations is enough to end their career?

634
Cheechako  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:19:17am

re: #583 Stanley Sea

Are you heading down?

No. Right now California has plenty of firefighters.

635
makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:24:21am

re: #592 ObserverArt

I heard that the person he selects amy only be a holding place. They are considering an open special election or something and that would invite Republican.

I’m sure this will all work out for the best.

*cough*

I believe that’s in Minnesota election law - appoint a replacement, who will have to run in a special next year for the remainder of the term (2 years).

636
Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:27:58am

re: #635 makeitstop

I believe that’s in Minnesota election law - appoint a replacement, who will have to run in a special next year for the remainder of the term (2 years).

With a high likelihood the seat is lost. Franken won by the narrowest imaginable combination of votes and reviews. That was against Googly-eyed Michele Bachmann, IIRC.

637
blueraven  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:30:24am

re: #636 Decatur Deb

With a high likelihood the seat is lost. Franken won by the narrowest imaginable combination of votes and reviews. That was against Googly-eyed Michele Bachmann, IIRC.

Norm Coleman

638
Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:38:00am

re: #630 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t think this isn’t a good luck for Republicans, but what do I know.

Oh, man, new thread upstairs….

639
Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 10:47:54am

re: #637 blueraven

Norm Coleman

Yup. Mixing my elections.

640
CleverToad  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:41:03am

re: #586 ObserverArt

I just signed up through AEP Energy for my electric supplier the other day. They gave me the option of selecting their “Green-e® Energy Certified 100% wind-generated renewable energy certificates and Generation Service.

I know all electricity no matter how it is generated is dumped into the power grid so I asked why they ask if I want that option? They said by picking that option I was sending a message to the industry and to the government about future energy use and development.

I said “sign me up!”

Yes, I use Excel Energy’s Windsource program for the same reason.


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Two Saudi Sisters Found Dead in Hudson Had Sought Political Asylum Two women who were found dead and bound together in the Hudson River last week were sisters from Saudi Arabia who had reportedly been ordered to return home after requesting asylum in the U.S. Police in New York have ...
Unshaken Defiance
1 week, 5 days ago
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Violent Right-Wing Terrorists Claim: “Trump’s Rhetoric Made Us Do It!” I wonder if we're going to see the Florida pipe bomber or the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter try this as a defense tactic (note: I am very deliberately not saying their names, and I will try to maintain this as ...
Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)
1 week, 6 days ago
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The Civil v Violent Tipping Point May Be Right Here Right Now Families are splitting. Divorces, in laws, siblings and paternal divides now exist along old left v right political lines from kinder days. It was not really that long ago when we were at a similar point for completely different ...
Unshaken Defiance
2 weeks, 5 days ago
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Body Found at UK Saudi Consul General’s Gardennews.sky.com Gross. These are people we as a country associate with... for oil. Trump's personal buddies. His own personal business friends too. They are all straight up Mafia. Trump, and Saudis...They are all straight up criminals.
Rocky-in-Connecticut
2 weeks, 6 days ago
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