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You’ve got to be careful if you don’t know where you’re going, because you might not get there.
— Yogi Berra
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Erik The Red Sat, May 16, 2009 11:12:28pm |
Sometimes I get somewhere and have no idea how I got there.
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Desert Dog Sat, May 16, 2009 11:13:49pm |
"You should always go to other people's funerals, otherwise, they won't come to yours."
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 16, 2009 11:16:25pm |
Would someone step up to the plate and help the economy?
please buy me a Beemer Z4..
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irongrampa Sat, May 16, 2009 11:16:36pm |
Crap. Way too late for the old folk.
Take care, good people--and spend the weekend apropriately.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, May 16, 2009 11:16:39pm |
"Nobody goes there anymore...it's too crowded"
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Dark_Falcon Sat, May 16, 2009 11:17:12pm |
Bedtime for me. May tomorrow be a good day for all of you.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, May 16, 2009 11:17:38pm |
re: #7 irongrampa
Weet dreams, gandfatherly figure of the ferrous persuasion.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, May 16, 2009 11:18:02pm |
So, if you know where you're going you'll get there?
Let's put the positive spin on it!
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Erik The Red Sat, May 16, 2009 11:19:23pm |
re: #11 Floral Giraffe
So, if you know where you're going you'll get there?
Let's put the positive spin on it!
I need my GPS to get to most places.
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gmsc Sat, May 16, 2009 11:19:36pm |
"Color television! Bah, I won't believe it until I see it in black and white."
–Samuel Goldwyn
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, May 16, 2009 11:20:19pm |
re: #12 Erik The Red
But do you get where you want to go?
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Desert Dog Sat, May 16, 2009 11:20:35pm |
re: #12 Erik The Red
I need my GPS to get to most places.
I bought my wife one of those, but she still uses her GPA more.
Global Positioning Andy
"I'm lost, which way do I go?"
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Cato the Elder Sat, May 16, 2009 11:20:58pm |
re: #6 HoosierHoops
Would someone step up to the plate and help the economy?
please buy me a Beemer Z4..
I'll take the two-wheeled version, over here!
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 16, 2009 11:22:08pm |
re: #15 Desert Dog
I bought my wife one of those, but she still uses her GPA more.
Global Positioning Andy
"I'm lost, which way do I go?"
I'm directionally Challenged...
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gmsc Sat, May 16, 2009 11:22:55pm |
re: #11 Floral Giraffe
So, if you know where you're going you'll get there?
Let's put the positive spin on it!
This is from an entire series of videos, which I've cross-posted in the culture section of the links, as well. Check it out!
Let's put it this way:
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Desert Dog Sat, May 16, 2009 11:25:18pm |
re: #18 HoosierHoops
I'm directionally Challenged...
My wife is one of the smartest people I know, but when it comes to finding places, she has some kind of mental block. Forget about east or west or north or south, she just wants right or left...straight ahead....
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NY Nana Sat, May 16, 2009 11:26:29pm |
We were taking care of the almost 3-year old grandson, in Brooklyn, and got home late, but I didn't realize how late it was! We are still LOL re what he had to say...and the stuff he tried to get away with. It was our daughter and son in law's fifth anniversary! We can't even try to figure out where the 5 years went!
The kids had a great time, and we also did. But no one was glowing like daughter was! But we had all the fun with the bandit! Don't tell, but we let him stay up about 30 minutes after his bedtime. Shhhh...not a soul! Thanks! ;)
G'nite, all! Sweet dreams.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 16, 2009 11:27:32pm |
re: #22 NY Nana
We were taking care of the almost 3-year old grandson, in Brooklyn, and got home late, but I didn't realize how late it was! We are still LOL re what he had to say...and the stuff he tried to get away with. It was our daughter and son in law's fifth anniversary! We can't even try to figure out where the 5 years went!
The kids had a great time, and we also did. But no one was glowing like daughter was! But we had all the fun with the bandit! Don't tell, but we let him stay up about 30 minutes after his bedtime. Shhhh...not a soul! Thanks! ;)
G'nite, all! Sweet dreams.
Sweet Dreams! wonderful story....
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Cato the Elder Sat, May 16, 2009 11:28:46pm |
Now I must leave you all, but first, a quote from Dorothy Parker.
"If you want to see what God thinks of money, look at the people he gave it to."
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 16, 2009 11:29:19pm |
re: #21 Desert Dog
My wife is one of the smartest people I know, but when it comes to finding places, she has some kind of mental block. Forget about east or west or north or south, she just wants right or left...straight ahead....
I'm terrible...I get lost a lot..I accept it.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, May 16, 2009 11:29:54pm |
Repost from the other thread, but with visual aides this time!
Speaking of things Chinese and sexy, I always thought the cheongsam was a very alluring, understated and elegant garment all at once and could be a good look for Western women (depending on physique).
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 16, 2009 11:31:27pm |
re: #27 Fenway_Nation
Repost from the other thread, but with visual aides this time!
Speaking of things Chinese and sexy, I always thought the cheongsam was a very alluring, understated and elegant garment all at once and could be a good look for Western women (depending on physique).
Very pretty girl...Reminds me of the hottie in Good Morning Vietnam
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Fenway_Nation Sat, May 16, 2009 11:34:46pm |
re: #28 HoosierHoops
Very pretty girl
Lyrically/Achingly so....
Not even the best angle to show off why such a garment would be a godsend for leg men....
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Fenway_Nation Sat, May 16, 2009 11:40:16pm |
For you leg lizards men out there, I rest my case...
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 16, 2009 11:42:15pm |
re: #30 Fenway_Nation
For you leg
lizardsmen out there, I rest my case...
I dated an Asian girl for a while in College..Very nice gal...cuter than hell..
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eddie- the Aggravator Sat, May 16, 2009 11:43:56pm |
This is how I got there on my drive around green, serene Ireland:
OH, the lad was told the pubs had closed 10-minutes earlier!
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Fenway_Nation Sat, May 16, 2009 11:48:43pm |
re: #31 HoosierHoops
I dated a Vietnamese girl in High School and a Filipina after I got out of the Army. Forget whatever the hell people say about them being docile and submissive......
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 16, 2009 11:51:16pm |
re: #33 Fenway_Nation
I dated a Vietnamese girl in High School and a Filipina after I got out of the Army. Forget whatever the hell people say about them being docile and submissive......
Asian girls are just like any other women..
A complete fucking mystery..
But I love em..
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Fenway_Nation Sat, May 16, 2009 11:51:17pm |
Did I derail this thread with my cheongsam-eriffic linkage?
I'd like to think that's as good a reason as any.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, May 16, 2009 11:52:11pm |
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Orbit Rain Sat, May 16, 2009 11:52:29pm |
indeed...also, I haven't posted much lately, just noticed this:
"•Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal."
This is a laughable if you think we should just "talk" to those who want to kill us or enslave us.
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gmsc Sat, May 16, 2009 11:54:43pm |
re: #38 Orbit Rain
indeed...also, I haven't posted much lately, just noticed this:
"•Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal."
This is a laughable if you think we should just "talk" to those who want to kill us or enslave us.
Well, comments advocating violence certainly don't appeal to me!
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Fenway_Nation Sat, May 16, 2009 11:54:58pm |
These are pretty sweet-looking, too. But the only time I saw an Ao-Dai worn in real life, the girl wearing it was just under 5 ft tall.....so I jump to the conclusions that all the models are the same height as well.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, May 16, 2009 11:56:56pm |
re: #38 Orbit Rain
I find it laughable that you would read this...
Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal.
...and conclude that it must mean this:
we should just "talk" to those who want to kill us or enslave us.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 16, 2009 11:58:15pm |
re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth
I find it laughable that you would read this...
Just the beer..
good Morning
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Fenway_Nation Sat, May 16, 2009 11:58:38pm |
re: #39 gmsc
Well, comments advocating violence certainly don't appeal to me!
Them's fightin' words!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, May 16, 2009 11:59:01pm |
re: #27 Fenway_Nation
Repost from the other thread, but with visual aides this time!
Speaking of things Chinese and sexy, I always thought the cheongsam was a very alluring, understated and elegant garment all at once and could be a good look for Western women (depending on physique).
One of my friends (ABC), says she plans to wear one in red velvet for her wedding.
I fear the groom will faint on his way to the altar.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 16, 2009 11:59:50pm |
I se Denzil is coming out in a couple of weeks in the taking of Pelman 123.
Isn't that a remake?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, May 16, 2009 11:59:59pm |
re: #42 HoosierHoops
Poor excuse. I drink beer all the time.
And good morning to you as well.
Check out that nanny cam footage I posted at #37, it'll freak you out.
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gmsc Sun, May 17, 2009 12:00:00am |
Today in History, May 17th:
Highlights of this day in history: The U.S. Supreme Court strikes down racially segregated public schools in Brown vs. Board of Ed.; Senate Watergate hearings begin; Birth of the New York Stock Exchange; The first Kentucky Derby held.
Other notable May 17th events include:
1915 – The last British Liberal Party government (Herbert Henry Asquith) falls.
1919 – War Department (UK) orders use of National Star Insignia on all airplanes.
1974 – Police in Los Angeles, California, raid the Symbionese Liberation Army's headquarters, killing six members, including Camilla Hall.
1992 – the WHO takes Homosexuality out of its list of mental illnesses.
2004 – Massachusetts becomes the first U.S. state to legalize same-sex marriage
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Killian Bundy Sun, May 17, 2009 12:01:46am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 17, 2009 12:03:02am |
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 12:04:10am |
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 12:05:18am |
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Mithrax Sun, May 17, 2009 12:07:12am |
re: #52 HoosierHoops
1974? Thanks for the link..I thought it sounded familiar
Yeah, that's a hell of a great movie. One of the few in which I can stand Walter Matheau
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 17, 2009 12:07:39am |
re: #38 Orbit Rain
indeed...also, I haven't posted much lately, just noticed this:
"•Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal."
This is a laughable if you think we should just "talk" to those who want to kill us or enslave us.
Right you are. We will do far better to advocate extreme violence, amongst like-minded people, from the safety of our living rooms. This will show that we 'get it', and will not be easily killed or enslaved, unless, of course, our internet connections go down.
///
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gmsc Sun, May 17, 2009 12:09:02am |
re: #49 Killian Bundy
/yeah, and it doesn't need remaking either
All classic movies need remaking? Without making new versions of classic movies, how are we going to let the future know how important global warming is, or how evil America is?
You probably wish we could jut gloss over the fact that the tornado that took Dorothy to Oz was caused by global warming. Why do you think the trees hated humans so much?
/////
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 17, 2009 12:09:25am |
re: #40 Fenway_Nation
These are pretty sweet-looking, too. But the only time I saw an Ao-Dai worn in real life, the girl wearing it was just under 5 ft tall.....so I jump to the conclusions that all the models are the same height as well.
We had an 'ethnic costume' day at a school I worked at some years ago--come in your ethnic dress, whatever that may be--and a couple of my girls wore ao dai. They were both five-fourish. Looked smashing, like a couple of princesses from a painting. It's a beautiful dress.
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Mithrax Sun, May 17, 2009 12:10:49am |
re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist
We had an 'ethnic costume' day at a school I worked at some years ago--come in your ethnic dress, whatever that may be--and a couple of my girls wore ao dai. They were both five-fourish. Looked smashing, like a couple of princesses from a painting. It's a beautiful dress.
Good thing I no longer claim I'm from Nopantsistan. I'd have been suspended from school :P
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gmsc Sun, May 17, 2009 12:11:16am |
re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist
We had an 'ethnic costume' day at a school I worked at some years ago--come in your ethnic dress, whatever that may be--and a couple of my girls wore ao dai. They were both five-fourish. Looked smashing, like a couple of princesses from a painting. It's a beautiful dress.
Things they don't want to hear during "ethnic costume day":
"'Ethnic Costume Day? Cool! I've always been a big fan of Ted Danson, and he's dressed up in traditional ethnic costumes . . ."
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 17, 2009 12:11:30am |
re: #55 gmsc
All classic movies need remaking? Without making new versions of classic movies, how are we going to let the future know how important global warming is, or how evil America is?
You probably wish we could jut gloss over the fact that the tornado that took Dorothy to Oz was caused by global warming. Why do you think the trees hated humans so much?
/////
Hmmm. They didn't even touch that in Tin Man.
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gmsc Sun, May 17, 2009 12:11:44am |
re: #57 Mithrax
Good thing I no longer claim I'm from Nopantsistan. I'd have been suspended from school :P
Which reminds me, where's SurferDoc?
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gmsc Sun, May 17, 2009 12:12:06am |
re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist
Hmmm. They didn't even touch that in Tin Man.
Obviously, then, it needs remaking!
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 12:12:47am |
I gotta disagree with Jalen Rose on ESPN..I think Phil Jackson has done a terrible job of Coaching the Lakers in the Playoffs..He has not motivated his players, poor game rotations.. The supposed best Team in the world has looked beatable and inconsistent and quite frankly soft all month.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 17, 2009 12:14:03am |
re: #57 Mithrax
Good thing I no longer claim I'm from Nopantsistan. I'd have been suspended from school :P
Yeah, well. You could have claimed some sort of discrimination, I'm sure. Or just worn a kilt.
Also, speaking of Vietnamese costume, I thought this photo was absolutely lovely.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, May 17, 2009 12:15:08am |
re: #62 HoosierHoops
I was talking to a Lakers fan the other day (after losing Game 6 to the Rockets). I asked him if it was LeBron's year and he said 'Of course...last time I saw a set-up like this was for Kobe'.
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gmsc Sun, May 17, 2009 12:15:15am |
re: #57 Mithrax
Good thing I no longer claim I'm from Nopantsistan. I'd have been suspended from school :P
If you're female, you could've also claimed to be from France.
;)
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 17, 2009 12:15:42am |
re: #58 gmsc
Things they don't want to hear during "ethnic costume day":
"'Ethnic Costume Day? Cool! I've always been a big fan of Ted Danson, and he's dressed up in traditional ethnic costumes . . ."
Some kids got with it better than others. I spent a certain amount of time trying to convince one young man that a T-shirt with a picture of 50 Cent on it does not qualify as ethnic costume.
Then again, I declined to show up in a shaytel and Shabbos robe, so I guess I also dropped the ball.
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redc1c4 Sun, May 17, 2009 12:16:02am |
re: #39 gmsc
Well, comments advocating violence certainly don't appeal to me!
then you were never Combat Arms.....
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Mithrax Sun, May 17, 2009 12:16:54am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, May 17, 2009 12:16:55am |
re: #57 Mithrax
Nopantsistan is not a location, nor a nation, nor a place anyone is "from". It is a state of being. And I am being it right now.
/TMI?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 17, 2009 12:18:04am |
re: #69 Slumbering Behemoth
Nopantsistan is not a location, nor a nation, nor a place anyone is "from". It is a state of being. And I am being it right now.
/TMI?
"Because being a woman is a state of mind, rather than a state of being..."
"Right. Ya stop paying attention, you might turn into a tunafish."
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Killian Bundy Sun, May 17, 2009 12:18:35am |
Dems red-faced over veteran imposter
Rick Strandlof, executive director of the Colorado Veterans Alliance and the man most colleagues knew as Rick Duncan, was front and center during the 2008 political campaigns in Colorado.
He spoke at a Barack Obama veterans rally in front of the Capitol in July, co-hosted several events with then- congressional candidate Jared Polis and attacked Republican Senate candidate Bob Schaffer in a TV ad paid for by the national group Votevets.org.
And the mostly Democratic candidates he supported — looking for credibility on veterans issues and the war — lapped it up appreciatively.
Now, politicians are dealing with news that the man they believed to be a former Marine and war veteran wounded in Iraq by a roadside bomb, in fact, never served in the military — but did spend time in a mental hospital.
/my question is, why do the fake veterans always seem to show up supporting and being embraced by the Bonkeys, or is that just a coincidence?
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redc1c4 Sun, May 17, 2009 12:19:01am |
re: #60 gmsc
Which reminds me, where's SurferDoc?
in jail for indecent exposure?
/better than back in the horse pistol
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shiplord kirel Sun, May 17, 2009 12:19:49am |
re: #47 gmsc
Today in History, May 17th:
1919 – War Department (UK) orders use of National Star Insignia on all airplanes.
I think they mean "US" rather than UK. The UK did not have a War Department, the US did. The UK has never used a star insignia on aircraft. Their insignia was (and still is) the blue, white and red (outer to inner) roundel. The US adopted the star insignia in 1919. The first one had a red dot in the middle of the white star, the latter on a blue field. The red dot was deleted early in WW2 for fear it would be mistaken for the Japanese Hinomaru ("meatball") insignia, even though the red dot was much smaller. Later, a white bar was added behind the star in the US insignia, with a red stripe added to the bar after World War 2. This insignia is still used. Before 1919, the US used a roundel with red outside, then blue, and a white center. This was identical to the old imperial Russian insignia, the Imperial air service being out of business by the time American aircraft joined the war. Before that, the US had briefly used a solid red star, later the insignia of the Soviet communist air forces, so the US and Russia essentially swapped markings during the First World War.
1974 – Police in Los Angeles, California, raid the Symbionese Liberation Army's headquarters, killing six members, including Camilla Hall.
A fine day's work altogether.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, May 17, 2009 12:20:24am |
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 12:20:26am |
re: #64 Fenway_Nation
I was talking to a Lakers fan the other day (after losing Game 6 to the Rockets). I asked him if it was LeBron's year and he said 'Of course...last time I saw a set-up like this was for Kobe'.
The Lakers have been exposed..They can't play tough defense..The Celtics destroyed them in the Championship series last year..
The Cav's are playing mean tough defense and they have perhaps the best player in the world..The Cav's are undefeated so far in the playoffs..They are blowing people away...
This will be great fun this year
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redc1c4 Sun, May 17, 2009 12:20:34am |
re: #62 HoosierHoops
I gotta disagree with Jalen Rose on ESPN..I think Phil Jackson has done a terrible job of Coaching the Lakers in the Playoffs..He has not motivated his players, poor game rotations.. The supposed best Team in the world has looked beatable and inconsistent and quite frankly soft all month.
and for all that, i blame Kobe: all talent, no skill. he has no "team" in him, and as long as he the mone providing the "me", the rest of the Lakers will never be able to spell "team".......
he needs to go.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 17, 2009 12:21:27am |
re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth
Right. Over. My. Head.
Is that a reference to something?
Sorry. Quote, from Nicole Hollander's Sylvia comic strip.
Sometimes I forget to add the helpful material from inside my head.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Sun, May 17, 2009 12:22:46am |
Taking the fight to the Taliban in Nopantsistan.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, May 17, 2009 12:22:57am |
re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist
All this talk of ethnic costumes and lizard love for womenfolk of the Asian persuasion is kinda getting away from the original point I had, which was bascially wondering how well Western women could look in an 'ethnic' outfit like a Cheongsam, Qi Pao or Ao Dai...
Also worth noting that the two or three (American) women I mentioned this to said they didn't think it would be that good a look for them when I clarified that I wasn't referring to a kimono.....and then they brought it up several weeks later and said it might be a good idea after all, and the only reason they didn't warm up to it right away was because they thought I was talking about a kimono.
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shiplord kirel Sun, May 17, 2009 12:23:19am |
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 12:27:11am |
re: #76 redc1c4
and for all that, i blame Kobe: all talent, no skill. he has no "team" in him, and as long as he the mone providing the "me", the rest of the Lakers will never be able to spell "team".......
he needs to go.
Well.Kobe..I saw him win the world Championship from the Pacers..Just took the fucking series over by himself..Destroyed the Pacers..I'll give him that..
He has played over a 1000 games..the knees will go out soon..which is sad cause he is so young..But that is the way it is..
My complaint is with the Coaching and the lack of any balls in the lane..The inside defense is laughable with the Lakers..They will not be world Champions this year
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redc1c4 Sun, May 17, 2009 12:28:26am |
re: #82 HoosierHoops
Well.Kobe..I saw him win the world Championship from the Pacers..Just took the fucking series over by himself..Destroyed the Pacers..I'll give him that..
He has played over a 1000 games..the knees will go out soon..which is sad cause he is so young..But that is the way it is..
My complaint is with the Coaching and the lack of any balls in the lane..The inside defense is laughable with the Lakers..They will not be world Champions this year
coach all you want: if the player or players don't listen, you're gonna lose.
Kobe don't listen.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, May 17, 2009 12:30:54am |
re: #71 Killian Bundy
Lie lie lie, spin spin spin.....
The Polis and Udall campaigns emphasize that Strandlof was a bizarre exception to the outpouring of help they received from veterans disillusioned with Bush-era policies.
Yeah....wait 'til they get a load of 0bama's military policies and generous funding for ACORN the Armed Forces.
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Tamron Sun, May 17, 2009 12:33:37am |
re: #71 Killian Bundy
Dems red-faced over veteran imposter
/my question is, why do the fake veterans always seem to show up supporting and being embraced by the Bonkeys, or is that just a coincidence?
Hmmm. Maybe you've got something there. Do ya think there's one out of 100 Bonkeys who would pass a standard Background Check?
.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 12:35:02am |
re: #83 redc1c4
coach all you want: if the player or players don't listen, you're gonna lose.
Kobe don't listen.
I agree..But Phil Jackson has taken some real heat for his coaching from the National Media..And I agree with a lot of it..
Houston with everybody hurt on the bench has just exposed the toughness of the laker rotating weak side defense in the paint..They are being out -toughed by guys 6'6' and 6'8' in the paint..Also..Nobody on the Lakers can guard the Houston off the bench point guard? Are you kidding me?
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gmsc Sun, May 17, 2009 12:35:27am |
re: #81 shiplord kirel
90 years old today!
re: #47 gmsc
Today in History, May 17th:
[Video]
Highlights of this day in history: The U.S. Supreme Court strikes down racially segregated public schools in Brown vs. Board of Ed.; Senate Watergate hearings begin; Birth of the New York Stock Exchange; The first Kentucky Derby held.
Other notable May 17th events include:
1915 – The last British Liberal Party government (Herbert Henry Asquith) falls.
1919 – War Department (UK) orders use of National Star Insignia on all airplanes.
1974 – Police in Los Angeles, California, raid the Symbionese Liberation Army's headquarters, killing six members, including Camilla Hall.
1992 – the WHO takes Homosexuality out of its list of mental illnesses.
2004 – Massachusetts becomes the first U.S. state to legalize same-sex marriage
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Killian Bundy Sun, May 17, 2009 12:35:50am |
re: #85 Tamron
Hmmm. Maybe you've got something there. Do ya think there's one out of 100 Bonkeys who would pass a standard Background Check?
/if TOTUS wasn't President, no way in hell he'd ever get a security clearance
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redc1c4 Sun, May 17, 2009 12:41:32am |
that was bezare.... FF suddenly went FUBAR, and when it came back, it took me to the 8may09 LNDT.....
did i miss something there?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 17, 2009 12:42:32am |
re: #80 Fenway_Nation
All this talk of ethnic costumes and lizard love for womenfolk of the Asian persuasion is kinda getting away from the original point I had, which was bascially wondering how well Western women could look in an 'ethnic' outfit like a Cheongsam, Qi Pao or Ao Dai...
Also worth noting that the two or three (American) women I mentioned this to said they didn't think it would be that good a look for them when I clarified that I wasn't referring to a kimono.....and then they brought it up several weeks later and said it might be a good idea after all, and the only reason they didn't warm up to it right away was because they thought I was talking about a kimono.
I think a cheongsam could look nice on a fairly slim non-Asian woman. Not me. But some.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 12:42:43am |
re: #89 redc1c4
that was bezare.... FF suddenly went FUBAR, and when it came back, it took me to the 8may09 LNDT.....
did i miss something there?
Weird..I hate it when that happens
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Fenway_Nation Sun, May 17, 2009 12:43:57am |
Ruh-roh! Situation critical....once again, Casa de Fenway is nearly out of the 1.75L bottle of Bacardi Silver....
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Tamron Sun, May 17, 2009 12:44:45am |
re: #88 Killian Bundy
/if TOTUS wasn't President, no way in hell he'd ever get a security clearance
--A lot of folks would give a pretty penny to see the complete FBI files on him. Makes you wonder, eh?
.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 12:45:41am |
re: #92 Fenway_Nation
Ruh-roh! Situation critical....once again, Casa de Fenway is nearly out of the 1.75L bottle of Bacardi Silver....
That's why God invented Bars on the 4th day..
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redc1c4 Sun, May 17, 2009 12:47:18am |
re: #92 Fenway_Nation
Ruh-roh! Situation critical....once again, Casa de Fenway is nearly out of the 1.75L bottle of Bacardi Silver....
you only have 1 bottle?
foolish person........
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Fenway_Nation Sun, May 17, 2009 12:48:04am |
re: #94 HoosierHoops
Just an observataion, but I seem to be burning through the Bacardi and Kamchatka even quicker now that I no longer have steady employment.
/The Jaegermeister remains untouched so far, however.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 12:49:08am |
re: #95 redc1c4
you only have 1 bottle?
foolish person........
You can't buy booze on Sundays in Indiana.. We are protected by the Church today from being bad..
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gmsc Sun, May 17, 2009 12:50:54am |
re: #97 HoosierHoops
You can't buy booze on Sundays in Indiana.. We are protected by the Church today from being bad..
Geez . . . you can buy booze on Sundays in Lubbock, Texas now! Get with the program!
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 12:50:57am |
re: #96 Fenway_Nation
Just an observataion, but I seem to be burning through the Bacardi and Kamchatka even quicker now that I no longer have steady employment.
/The Jaegermeister remains untouched so far, however.
I hope things get better for you....
Regards
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Bob Dillon Sun, May 17, 2009 12:51:01am |
re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist
I think a cheongsam could look nice on a fairly slim non-Asian woman. Not me. But some.
Gotta be slim to do the gig - the gals who wore the Ao Dai - non-asian - well it just didn't do the same thing - may have been they didn't have the experience that the Asians did. And those Asian gals knew/know how to use it.
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redc1c4 Sun, May 17, 2009 12:51:41am |
re: #97 HoosierHoops
You can't buy booze on Sundays in Indiana.. We are protected by the Church today from being bad..
PPPPPP............ it's the law.
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redc1c4 Sun, May 17, 2009 12:52:33am |
re: #98 gmsc
Geez . . . you can buy booze on Sundays in Lubbock, Texas now! Get with the program!
you can buy booze ahead of time, before you run low, just about anywhere....
/that's *my* program
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gmsc Sun, May 17, 2009 12:54:03am |
re: #102 redc1c4
you can buy booze ahead of time, before you run low, just about anywhere....
/that's *my* program
I guess living in Vegas has spoiled me.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 12:54:58am |
re: #101 redc1c4
PPPPPP............ it's the law.
Don't mess with the church on Sundays in Indiana.. You risk a drive by from a pissed off Baptist...
/I am 3 hours away from churches that will hand you a rattlesnake during service.
//
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redc1c4 Sun, May 17, 2009 12:55:26am |
re: #103 gmsc
I guess living in Vegas has spoiled me.
that's what happens when you sit out in the sun....... you spoil.
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gmsc Sun, May 17, 2009 12:55:41am |
re: #104 HoosierHoops
Don't mess with the church on Sundays in Indiana.. You risk a drive by from a pissed off Baptist...
/I am 3 hours away from churches that will hand you a rattlesnake during service.
//
If it's a religious matter, can't you just steal the booze and ask god to forgive you?
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redc1c4 Sun, May 17, 2009 12:56:22am |
re: #104 HoosierHoops
Don't mess with the church on Sundays in Indiana.. You risk a drive by from a pissed off Baptist...
/I am 3 hours away from churches that will hand you a rattlesnake during service.
//
Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
always have spare booze on hand.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 17, 2009 12:56:31am |
re: #97 HoosierHoops
You can't buy booze on Sundays in Indiana.. We are protected by the Church today from being bad..
I wish someone had had a camera on me when I learned, as a nineteen-year-old college kid that you could not buy alcohol in a grocery store in Massachusetts.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 12:58:24am |
re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist
I wish someone had had a camera on me when I learned, as a nineteen-year-old college kid that you could not buy alcohol in a grocery store in Massachusetts.
I love Tommy's Joint in the City..You ever go there?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 17, 2009 12:59:22am |
re: #109 HoosierHoops
I love Tommy's Joint in the City..You ever go there?
Not for a long time--I eat kosherish now, so can't eat most of the menu. My dad loves the buffalo burgers, though.
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gmsc Sun, May 17, 2009 1:01:06am |
I'm starting to understand why people so often ask when the bars close or when they can legally buy alcohol.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 1:03:03am |
re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist
Not for a long time--I eat kosherish now, so can't eat most of the menu. My dad loves the buffalo burgers, though.
I grew up in Napa..We used to run into the City and eat blueberry burgers and Hamburger Mary's and play pool at the Black Magic..
And yes everybody knows Mary's is a gay place..We didn't care..They had the best burgers in the world...And I'm a picky eater..
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 17, 2009 1:06:45am |
re: #112 HoosierHoops
I grew up in Napa..We used to run into the City and eat blueberry burgers and Hamburger Mary's and play pool at the Black Magic..
And yes everybody knows Mary's is a gay place..We didn't care..They had the best burgers in the world...And I'm a picky eater..
Hamburger Mary's--haven't thought about them in years. Wow.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 1:09:24am |
re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist
Hamburger Mary's--haven't thought about them in years. Wow.
I was 17 hanging at a party outside the tenderloin.. I had a cherry 63 Chevy..
It was stolen that night...
Love the City.. :)
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Mardukhai Sun, May 17, 2009 1:10:31am |
That's the most unheard of thing I ever heard of!
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Bob Dillon Sun, May 17, 2009 1:11:02am |
re: #112 HoosierHoops
I used to work out at the "Body Works" on Polk St - I would drive in from Marin - gay as a 3 dollar bill - but you were in and out within 30 mins with a shower and a great work out. Nautilus equipment back in the 80s.
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Killian Bundy Sun, May 17, 2009 1:11:28am |
Today's the day!
/TelePrompTer Jesus meets Touchdown Jesus!
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 1:13:21am |
re: #116 Bobibutu
I used to work out at the "Body Works" on Polk St - I would drive in from Marin - gay as a 3 dollar bill - but you were in and out within 30 mins with a shower and a great work out. Nautilus equipment back in the 80s.
Damn I love Marin Country...I grew up outside of Yountville..
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gmsc Sun, May 17, 2009 1:13:46am |
re: #117 Killian Bundy
Today's the day!
/TelePrompTer Jesus meets Touchdown Jesus!
He'll probably be offended and order it removed.
/Thou shalt have no other 0bamas before me
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Bob Dillon Sun, May 17, 2009 1:18:02am |
re: #118 HoosierHoops
Damn I love Marin Country...I grew up outside of Yountville..
Truly - Gods country. I do wine volunteer bottling there every year.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 1:22:06am |
re: #121 Bobibutu
Truly - Gods country. I do wine volunteer bottling there every year.
That's home..It's 4:30am and I'm sitting here missing it...Such is life
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Dianna Sun, May 17, 2009 1:24:03am |
OK. I'm here, if only for a minute.
My best friend Ruth collapsed at my dinner table.
I saw it, and I (literally) couldn't speak. I couldn't stop thinking "Ruth, no! Ruth!"
My Male and his friend coped. I ran and called for an ambulance.
Did I mention that it was when I finally got to meet some nice boy I've been corresponding with for the last eleven years? And he'd brought his roommate?
Oh, right.
She had no pulse for about 15 seconds. She was aware and responsive when the paramedics arrived - but my Male had to do chest compressions.
In the morning, I'll call her parents. I'm really, really, upset.
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Dianna Sun, May 17, 2009 1:26:12am |
Bloody hell. I reread that.
Ruth had no pulse. Oh, fuck.
I am ready to climb the walls.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 1:27:18am |
re: #125 Dianna
Bloody hell. I reread that.
Ruth had no pulse. Oh, fuck.
I am ready to climb the walls.
I'm so sorry..
May Ruth have a full recovery..
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Rustler Sun, May 17, 2009 1:28:04am |
Happy belated Birthday Erik I didn't make it online last night.
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Dianna Sun, May 17, 2009 1:28:36am |
re: #126 HoosierHoops
I'm so sorry..
May Ruth have a full recovery..
Thanks.
I just want to scream.
We were having dinner. We were having a lovely time, talking and laughing, and she just went over.
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Bob Dillon Sun, May 17, 2009 1:28:49am |
re: #124 Dianna
OK. I'm here, if only for a minute.
My best friend Ruth collapsed at my dinner table.
I saw it, and I (literally) couldn't speak. I couldn't stop thinking "Ruth, no! Ruth!"
My Male and his friend coped. I ran and called for an ambulance.
Did I mention that it was when I finally got to meet some nice boy I've been corresponding with for the last eleven years? And he'd brought his roommate?
Oh, right.
She had no pulse for about 15 seconds. She was aware and responsive when the paramedics arrived - but my Male had to do chest compressions.
In the morning, I'll call her parents. I'm really, really, upset.
Had that happen to me at a dinner party - bad med mixes turned out - seniors tho - got her stabilized at the hosp.
Best of luck
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Dianna Sun, May 17, 2009 1:29:57am |
re: #129 Bobibutu
She's in very good hands, at a very good local hospital.
I'm just panicking in retrospect.
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Bob Dillon Sun, May 17, 2009 1:30:38am |
re: #125 Dianna
Bloody hell. I reread that.
Ruth had no pulse. Oh, fuck.
I am ready to climb the walls.
Did she eat shell fish?
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Bob Dillon Sun, May 17, 2009 1:31:58am |
re: #130 Dianna
She's in very good hands, at a very good local hospital.
I'm just panicking in retrospect.
OK - let them know what she had for dinner and what meds she takes.
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Dianna Sun, May 17, 2009 1:34:34am |
re: #131 Bobibutu
Did she eat shell fish?
No.
A Greek salad, salmon, broccoli, and rice.
She had a heart attack in January (scared me to death with that), but this week her blood work came back clean.
However, today was very warm, she'd walked at least some of the way from the train station (I know she got a ride most of the way), and she did have some sangria. And she said that she ate more than usual.
I'm really hoping that the sangria is what did it, so we know never to give that to her again. I'm just sick, thinking something I offered her might have hurt her.
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Dianna Sun, May 17, 2009 1:35:51am |
re: #132 Bobibutu
OK - let them know what she had for dinner and what meds she takes.
Done. I've gone over ever possible impact. I spent a long time on the phone with her doctor, and also at the hospital.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 1:37:14am |
re: #135 Dianna
Done. I've gone over ever possible impact. I spent a long time on the phone with her doctor, and also at the hospital.
You must be a mess..That has never happened to me before...
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Bob Dillon Sun, May 17, 2009 1:37:45am |
re: #135 Dianna
Good on ya gal - we do what we can do and then trust in the pros.
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Dianna Sun, May 17, 2009 1:38:51am |
re: #133 Iron Fist
Thanks - but the problem was that I could see something was wrong, and my Male tells me that I was the first to say anything, but I don't remember.
What I remember is that I didn't move until my friend Kelly yelled at me to call 911. Then I moved very fast indeed. But I literally froze, because I couldn't get past my distress. All I could think - and I could hear it - was "Ruth! No, Ruth!"
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Dianna Sun, May 17, 2009 1:40:59am |
re: #136 HoosierHoops
You must be a mess..That has never happened to me before...
I'm a mess.
I've been nice to the kids, who went home a while ago, they stayed until after I got back from the ER, but I'm used to being the competent person, and I flat out wasn't.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Sun, May 17, 2009 1:42:03am |
I'd have to know where I've been before I know where I'm going.
And where I'm at? fuggetit!
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Bob Dillon Sun, May 17, 2009 1:42:07am |
re: #138 Dianna
Thanks - but the problem was that I could see something was wrong, and my Male tells me that I was the first to say anything, but I don't remember.
What I remember is that I didn't move until my friend Kelly yelled at me to call 911. Then I moved very fast indeed. But I literally froze, because I couldn't get past my distress. All I could think - and I could hear it - was "Ruth! No, Ruth!"
Consider yourself chastised - now get past it.
Let us know what the Docs say.
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Dianna Sun, May 17, 2009 1:43:27am |
re: #141 Bobibutu
Consider yourself chastised - now get past it.
Let us know what the Docs say.
As soon as I've called her parents, consider it done.
I think I should go to bed. Sleep will help, I think, with all this upset.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 1:44:09am |
re: #139 Dianna
I'm a mess.
I've been nice to the kids, who went home a while ago, they stayed until after I got back from the ER, but I'm used to being the competent person, and I flat out wasn't.
I hope you sleep well tonight..I know you won't..But we'll get your friend on the Goddess prayer list later this morning..
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Dianna Sun, May 17, 2009 1:48:28am |
re: #143 HoosierHoops
I hope you sleep well tonight..I know you won't..But we'll get your friend on the Goddess prayer list later this morning..
Thanks.
I really do need to sleep. I'm just shockingly upset. I know better, I really do, but this isn't just anybody, this is Ruth. Even knowing - and I know - that she's in excellent hands, and everyone reacted right, I'm really distressed.
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Bob Dillon Sun, May 17, 2009 1:49:41am |
re: #138 Dianna
I and many others watched as a member of our group got ga-ga - slurred speech and dropping head up and down - everyone was afraid to sound the alarm - I went to her and asked her to smile at me - she responded well but was still physically strange - I told her her mind was ok but her body was acting strange - the short was 911.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 1:55:29am |
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Steffan Sun, May 17, 2009 1:56:55am |
Kris Kristofferson wrote it, but Johnny Cash owned it.
On a Sunday morning sidewalk
I'm wishin'. Lord, that I was stoned
'Cause there's somethin' in a Sunday
That makes a body feel alone
And there's nothin' short of dyin'
That's half as lonesome as the sound
Of a sleepin' city sidewalk
And Sunday morning comin' down.
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Bob Dillon Sun, May 17, 2009 1:57:57am |
re: #149 Dianna
Rest well. Keep us posted in the morning.
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Killian Bundy Sun, May 17, 2009 1:59:26am |
Congressional Democrats and President Obama have developed a bad case of deficit amnesia.
Last July, when the federal deficit swelled to a then-record $490 billion, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) criticized President Bush for having "mortgaged our future."
But with a Democrat in the White House now, Pelosi and her colleagues are overspending as if they're determined to make the Bush-era deficits look like pocket change.
The Obama administration came out with revised figures that show that the federal deficit in the current fiscal year will reach $1.84 trillion. That's $89 billion more than the administration projected in February, as tax revenues dwindle in the deep recession.
The deficit for fiscal year 2010, which begins in October, is now forecast to be $1.26 trillion or $87 billion higher. Congress approved the president's $3.5 trillion budget for 2010 last week.
And the true budget picture is probably worse, because the administration is being overly optimistic in predicting how quickly the economy will recover.
/this is ridiculously dangerous, where's the outrage?
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littleoldlady Sun, May 17, 2009 2:00:04am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
(And good grief! {Dianna!}) :-(
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 2:01:22am |
I gotta give the ending to the movie the great debaters in the top 20..
The speech that kid gives at the end was just fucking awesome..The Hoopster had a tear in his eye..I need to watch it again and give it a proper saturday morning review...
I'm scanning what I'm going to watch and review this morning...
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 2:03:18am |
re: #154 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
(And good grief! {Dianna!}) :-(
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!
Good Morning!
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littleoldlady Sun, May 17, 2009 2:03:42am |
If you are still here, Dianna...in those situations it's usually not a matter of competence, it's whose adrenalin kicks in first.
You don't have much control over that.
/you can stop kicking yourself now...
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littleoldlady Sun, May 17, 2009 2:04:17am |
Hoosier! :-)
Hiya! Long time no type to...
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 2:05:19am |
re: #159 littleoldlady
Hoosier! :-)
Hiya! Long time no type to...
Good Morning...I've been up for hours...Coffee?
:)
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TheMatrix31 Sun, May 17, 2009 2:06:11am |
re: #153 Killian Bundy
Congressional Democrats and President Obama have developed a bad case of deficit amnesia.
/this is ridiculously dangerous, where's the outrage?
Absolutely ridiculous.
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A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 2:06:51am |
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littleoldlady Sun, May 17, 2009 2:09:33am |
re: #164 HoosierHoops
Life is...not fair.
/once you figure that part out, the rest is easy
//she said, lying through her teeth
;-)
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haakondahl Sun, May 17, 2009 2:10:00am |
re: #38 Orbit Rain
indeed...also, I haven't posted much lately, just noticed this:
"•Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal."
This is a laughable if you think we should just "talk" to those who want to kill us or enslave us.
It doesn't actually apply to things like foreign policy unless you want our foreign policy to be, oh, say, genocide.
Go ahead. Have your little argument with Charles. And then we'll be hearing the tiny sound of your distant voice from wa-a-a-ay over there at the fascist and stalker blogs.
Unless perhaps I have completely misunderstood your comment.
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littleoldlady Sun, May 17, 2009 2:13:41am |
re: #169 Iron Fist
If you dig the hole deep enough you wind up with so much debt that you can't even service the intrest. When that happens, you are screwed.
We are at (or near) that point already. The government's solution is to print more money and raise taxes.
/dis is gonna get REAL ugly...
| 171 |
A Man for all Seasons Sun, May 17, 2009 2:17:00am |
I'm rewatching the NCIS final show again..Maybe I was unfair before..
You know the whole lets throw a bunch of big time actors into the show to save it or change things up..It doesn't work..
But worse than that..The writing really sucks...I'm not sure they will recover any cred..The producers kicked NCIS under the bus..
To Bad..It was one of my favorite shows..Now I can't wait till Burn Notice starts up again..That show is lots of fun and well written..
| 172 |
Fenway_Nation Sun, May 17, 2009 2:18:17am |
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TheMatrix31 Sun, May 17, 2009 2:18:29am |
re: #154 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
(And good grief! {Dianna!}) :-(
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------>
Help yourselves!
Good morning, Littleoldlady!
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TheMatrix31 Sun, May 17, 2009 2:21:30am |
re: #169 Iron Fist
And absolutely dangerous. Our whole economy, it seems, is built on credit and borrowing. At some point, you have to pay that shit back. It simply cannot be sustained. If you dig the hole deep enough you wind up with so much debt that you can't even service the intrest. When that happens, you are screwed.
This is true for individuals as it is for the Federal Government. You can't always expect a raise to help you pay your bills, and the government can't raise taxes forever.
Absolutely. No one my age seems to understand this. Everyone my age will understand it soon.
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littleoldlady Sun, May 17, 2009 2:25:45am |
re: #172 Fenway_Nation
Yes it IS already, Fenway. But most people are looking at smoke-screen indicators like the stock market, consumer spending and the fact that less people applied for unemployment last month than the month before.
/but it's still over 600k! HELLL-O-O-O!
And you can forget about the Chinese and Asians. They're taking their money out in our hard assets, not in the dollar.
/and I am so FRIKKEN' tired of being Cassandra in a world full of Pollyannas! :-(
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Fenway_Nation Sun, May 17, 2009 2:26:08am |
re: #174 TheMatrix31
Kinda brings me back to the election- if this nation were an extended family, 0bama would be the 'cool' uncle that still worked in retail in his 40s that all the kids wanted to hang out with.
McCain would be the dour, grumpy great uncle or grandfather who actually knew what was best for the 'family', but less than half the relatives were listening to him because they're so mesmerized by the 'cool' uncle.
| 178 |
TheMatrix31 Sun, May 17, 2009 2:30:56am |
re: #177 Fenway_Nation
Kinda brings me back to the election- if this nation were an extended family, 0bama would be the 'cool' uncle that still worked in retail in his 40s that all the kids wanted to hang out with.
McCain would be the dour, grumpy great uncle or grandfather who actually knew what was best for the 'family', but less than half the relatives were listening to him because they're so mesmerized by the 'cool' uncle.
That's a good way to put it, lol.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, May 17, 2009 2:32:49am |
re: #178 TheMatrix31
Left out the part where McCain would be the more unpleasant relative to be around, but would set a better long-term example for the youth in the family.
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UncleRancher Sun, May 17, 2009 3:01:15am |
Hello? Anybody still here?
Just turned on the tube for a bit. I see it's still Nancy 24-7.
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Smorgasbord Sun, May 17, 2009 3:07:36am |
If you don't know where you are going, how will you know when you get there.
My favorite saying is: "It is better to remain silent, and thought a fool, than to speak, and leave no doubt about it." That's why I don't say much.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, May 17, 2009 3:08:04am |
I'm dealing with young adult drama at the moment!
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UncleRancher Sun, May 17, 2009 3:10:11am |
re: #183 TheMatrix31
Ah youth. They know EvErYtHiNg, don't they?
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TheMatrix31 Sun, May 17, 2009 3:17:57am |
re: #184 UncleRancher
Ah youth. They know EvErYtHiNg, don't they?
LOL.
Heard one story, heard 'em all.
Girl and guy get close, guy treats her like shit, she doesn't know what to think, blah blah blah.
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UncleRancher Sun, May 17, 2009 3:23:44am |
re: #185 TheMatrix31
Yep. Communication skills. It's a difficult time. I once said I would never consider repeating my youth, but now it's looking better all the time (he he he)
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TheMatrix31 Sun, May 17, 2009 3:28:10am |
re: #186 UncleRancher
Yep. Communication skills. It's a difficult time. I once said I would never consider repeating my youth, but now it's looking better all the time (he he he)
It's alright. That's why LGF has me, someone who can give people insight into today's youth without actually being an idiot like most of them.
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callahan23 Sun, May 17, 2009 3:35:19am |
Wow what a night!
'Afton' made ALL the bottom ten comments.
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callahan23 Sun, May 17, 2009 3:37:27am |
And of course:
Good morning, afternoon, evening Lizardia!
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UncleRancher Sun, May 17, 2009 3:40:24am |
Interesting thing, these kids. Every one is different. I have 7, and no two are anything alike in terms of interests and skills. Each has his/her own difficulty levels.
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Fenboy Sun, May 17, 2009 3:48:23am |
Hello lizards! I was wondering if I could get help with something. I'm considering getting a custom anti-Che t-shirt done to annoy my idiot fellow students over here in the UK. The trouble is, I'm not sure which angle to go for. I'm leaning towards just mocking him for being a dead Stalinist (possibly a picture of Reagan with the line "my dead conservative hero could kick your dead Stalinist hero's arse", but maybe something along the lines of
Che
Cons: Created a paranoid Stalinist dictatorship that locks up gays and trade unionists
Pros: Cool beard
might hit closer to home for them. What do you think?
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TheMatrix31 Sun, May 17, 2009 3:48:56am |
re: #190 UncleRancher
Interesting thing, these kids. Every one is different. I have 7, and no two are anything alike in terms of interests and skills. Each has his/her own difficulty levels.
That's gotta be a handful. We're five siblings, but the last two (11 and 9) are tougher to deal with. They're the only two to grow up in LA. My two older brothers and I grew up in Fresno, where the mindset and values are just completely different than here.
I do everything in my power not to let my little brother and sister grow up like Angelinos.
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Fenboy Sun, May 17, 2009 3:53:39am |
re: #194 UncleRancher
Mmm maybe, but the trouble there is that It'd go over the heads of the students while driving my Carter-loving (no really) professors crazy.
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callahan23 Sun, May 17, 2009 3:54:06am |
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UncleRancher Sun, May 17, 2009 3:55:49am |
re: #193 TheMatrix31
We try to have dinner together every night. That's when we get to discuss values and success factors. We play "what did you learn in school today", and "How will That Help You in Life". Most of the time they can't come up with anything they learned in school today. That is a little depressing, so we try to make up for it at the dinner table by keeping it fun, light and interesting.
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UncleRancher Sun, May 17, 2009 3:56:47am |
re: #195 Fenboy
Mmm maybe, but the trouble there is that It'd go over the heads of the students while driving my Carter-loving (no really) professors crazy.
I would consider that a huge added bonus!
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callahan23 Sun, May 17, 2009 3:58:04am |
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TheMatrix31 Sun, May 17, 2009 3:58:15am |
re: #197 UncleRancher
We try to have dinner together every night. That's when we get to discuss values and success factors. We play "what did you learn in school today", and "How will That Help You in Life". Most of the time they can't come up with anything they learned in school today. That is a little depressing, so we try to make up for it at the dinner table by keeping it fun, light and interesting.
That's something I wish we did more nowadays. My Mom works hard and comes home later than an ideal family dinner time would be. Plus, I work late as well, and my older brother (my other older brother is married and doesn't live at home anymore) is always out and about. Most of the time, it's just my Dad, little brother, and sister. We do our family dinner-type stuff on the weekends, most likely Sundays.
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callahan23 Sun, May 17, 2009 4:06:10am |
re: #195 Fenboy
Here is the Peoples Cube with some excellent designs like a carcass Che.
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Timbre Sun, May 17, 2009 4:19:41am |
Good morning, Charles, LGF, and everybody....except terrorists, supremacists, and predators! (Those I hope have a really BAAAD day!)
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UncleRancher Sun, May 17, 2009 4:29:18am |
re: #200 TheMatrix31
My wife and I both grew up with big family dinner time every night. I recommend more than once a week just to overcome the negative effects of big city environment, even if that means adjusting work schedules to get it done. Work is important but youths are more important.
I got to go feed the livestock. Nite all.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 17, 2009 4:31:06am |
Saw the crown this morning. It is official.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 17, 2009 4:39:02am |
re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Daughter won "Prom Queen" last night (for those who weren't here to hear me brag). Wasn't sure that she wasn't kidding.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, May 17, 2009 4:39:53am |
re: #203 UncleRancher
My wife and I both grew up with big family dinner time every night. I recommend more than once a week just to overcome the negative effects of big city environment, even if that means adjusting work schedules to get it done. Work is important but youths are more important.
I got to go feed the livestock. Nite all.
Definitely. Have a good one!
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steve Sun, May 17, 2009 4:41:38am |
What the Hubble would see if Obama had it commissioned
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Ziggy Standard Sun, May 17, 2009 4:44:15am |
LOL - Someone has actually melted down because we were laughing at Mr Pirkle's video.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
'Miles' is away praying for us all right now- 'whether we like it or not'.
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freetoken Sun, May 17, 2009 4:58:11am |
re: #208 Jimmah
More than one checking in this morning on that thread...
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Pupdawg Sun, May 17, 2009 5:02:54am |
Wherever you are that's where you'll be unless you leave.
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justdanny Sun, May 17, 2009 5:55:20am |
I have internet. I havent had internet in about three years. I feel a tad bit weepy for all I have missed. Going without internet didnt make me thinner or wiser or more handsome. Going without internet for someone like me who for several years lived with all of my extremities rooted deeply in the internet, is like going without internet for someone like me who for several years lived with all of my extremities rooted deeply in the internet.
Hi internet. Hi lizards.
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airmech Sun, May 17, 2009 5:57:58am |
Again our moron of a VP show how out of touch he is: [Link: www.foxnews.com...] . can't he be charged with something for revealing classified information?
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justdanny Sun, May 17, 2009 6:00:25am |
re: #215 Iron Fist
Big hugs for you my brother. I bet the majority of people here will think Im a newby. I guess in a way I am a newby. You and yours doing ok?
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 17, 2009 6:00:30am |
Happy Victoria Day weekend to all Brit and Canadian Lizards.
This weekend could be called black fly weekend in central Ontario.
The little black buggers hatched a couple of weeks ago and are really spreading their little wings and swarming now, seeking a nice warm blood-feed.
Ain't nature grand?
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justdanny Sun, May 17, 2009 6:03:25am |
re: #217 Spare O'Lake
Yes, nature is grand. Im suprised Geddy never sang about the lovely black fly.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 6:04:07am |
re: #217 Spare O'Lake
Happy Victoria Day weekend to all Brit and Canadian Lizards.
This weekend could be called black fly weekend in central Ontario.
The little black buggers hatched a couple of weeks ago and are really spreading their little wings and swarming now, seeking a nice warm blood-feed.
Ain't nature grand?
ACORN is in Canada now?
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marge45b Sun, May 17, 2009 6:05:55am |
re: #203 UncleRancher
We have dinner time with the kids every day of the week.
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justdanny Sun, May 17, 2009 6:06:53am |
re: #221 rightside
I agree. Three very special guys. Soundtrack of my youth and then some.
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 6:10:32am |
re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Congratulations to her, doesn't it feel wonderful when we can brag on our kids?
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 6:14:14am |
re: #214 airmech
Again our moron of a VP show how out of touch he is: [Link: www.foxnews.com...] . can't he be charged with something for revealing classified information?
I couldn't believe that when I read that this morning. He's too stupid to even have a sense of self preservation
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Ziggy Standard Sun, May 17, 2009 6:14:59am |
Sunday worship with Andy C and the Holy ghost :D
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 17, 2009 6:15:06am |
re: #220 MandyManners
ACORN is in Canada now?
LOL!
No thanks, I'd rather bleed a little for a couple of weeks than have my whole country screwed over for 8 years.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 6:15:31am |
re: #225 eddie- the Aggravator
Well, bless your heart. Ain't you special?
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 6:16:05am |
re: #232 Spare O'Lake
LOL!
No thanks, I'd rather bleed a little for a couple of weeks than have my whole country screwed over for 8 years.
Amen to that,
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 6:16:58am |
re: #232 Spare O'Lake
LOL!
No thanks, I'd rather bleed a little for a couple of weeks than have my whole country screwed over for 8 years.
Is there any kind of fly repellant?
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 17, 2009 6:18:14am |
re: #218 justdanny
Yes, nature is grand. Im suprised Geddy never sang about the lovely black fly.
Nah, Geddy was probably too stoned to notice the little buggers./
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 6:18:55am |
re: #235 Iron Fist
I've heard he has a special "assistant" who goes with him every. The "assistant's": job is to remind him to breathe every thirty seconds are so. Just in case he forgets that little feature of life.
Joe's just a jocular kinda' guy!
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 6:19:49am |
re: #235 Iron Fist
lol I have to just keep laughing at the pres and vp. If you think too deeply, it's knees to jelly scary
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Bloodnok Sun, May 17, 2009 6:21:21am |
re: #214 airmech
Again our moron of a VP show how out of touch he is: [Link: www.foxnews.com...] . can't he be charged with something for revealing classified information?
That's quite a photo of him. He looks like a combination of Jimmah, the Emperor from the Star Wars series and a marionette.
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justdanny Sun, May 17, 2009 6:21:21am |
re: #230 Iron Fist
Give your little buttons and bows a hug for me. By her grace I was able to make it back home.
We'll survive this child emperor. My only worry is will there be enough raw material left uncharred to build again with.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 6:24:36am |
I bought heavy whipping cream to make the caramel to dip strawberries (and, then I rolled them in chopped nuts) for The Kid and his friend yesterday so, I'm using it in my coffee. Richest coffee I've ever tasted.
Yesterday was a great day. The 10 mgs. of Adderall apparently is the right dosage for him. He wasn't lethargic at all.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 6:25:39am |
re: #242 eddie- the Aggravator
Hey Mandy,
I Don't know if this is just a coincidence but....
2007 - Chinese year of the Chicken - Bird 'Flu Pandemic devastates parts of Asia
2008 - Chinese year of the Horse - Equine Influenza decimates Australian racing
2009 - Chinese year of the Pig - Swine 'Flu....
Has anyone else noticed this?
It gets worse next year...
2010 - Chinese year of the Cock!
Mandy tell me......What could possibly go wrong?
I thought the world was supposed to end in 2012, not 2010.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 6:26:37am |
re: #244 rain of lead
morning mm
glad you are well
I'm finer than a frog's hair split three ways!
How're you?
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Bloodnok Sun, May 17, 2009 6:26:47am |
re: #242 eddie- the Aggravator
Hey Mandy,
I Don't know if this is just a coincidence but....
2007 - Chinese year of the Chicken - Bird 'Flu Pandemic devastates parts of Asia
2008 - Chinese year of the Horse - Equine Influenza decimates Australian racing
2009 - Chinese year of the Pig - Swine 'Flu....
Has anyone else noticed this?
It gets worse next year...
2010 - Chinese year of the Cock!
Mandy tell me......What could possibly go wrong?
Gird yer loins.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 17, 2009 6:28:03am |
re: #236 MandyManners
Is there any kind of fly repellant?
Yes there are 2 really good ones - Deep Woods Off and Muskol.
In addition to repellent, a good bug shirt is also necessary, the kind with a nylon mesh hood that covers the face.
And it also helps to down a couple of cold beers before venturing forth.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 6:29:07am |
Hey, everyone. No church for us today. So I thought I'd stop by. How is everyone?
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rain of lead Sun, May 17, 2009 6:29:46am |
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Bloodnok Sun, May 17, 2009 6:30:12am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 6:32:23am |
re: #248 Spare O'Lake
Yes there are 2 really good ones - Deep Woods Off and Muskol.
In addition to repellent, a good bug shirt is also necessary, the kind with a nylon mesh hood that covers the face.
And it also helps to down a couple of cold beers before venturing forth.
I remember growing up in Tennessee where there were mosquitos the size of C-130s.
I also remember the lightnin' bugs and the honeysuckle bushes, the way at the end of the day all the birds would start singing together and suddenly, they'd stop and the bugs would take over.
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justdanny Sun, May 17, 2009 6:32:45am |
CBS Sunday Morning about to do a piece about Frank Lloyd Wright. The guy got it right.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 6:33:15am |
re: #250 vxbush
Hey, everyone. No church for us today. So I thought I'd stop by. How is everyone?
I'm great. Well, the coffee's so strong that my palms are sweating but, other than that, great.
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Lincolntf Sun, May 17, 2009 6:33:59am |
Morning all.
10 and a half hours until Game 7 of the Celtics/Magic series. Pondering how to kill the time...
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 6:34:47am |
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 6:35:03am |
re: #255 MandyManners
I'm great. Well, the coffee's so strong that my palms are sweating but, other than that, great.
Heh. I could use some caffeine today; I've got a bang-up headache, but coffee isn't my idea of a caffeine delivery system. I'll probably go make some tea later--or just grab a Coke.
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rain of lead Sun, May 17, 2009 6:35:22am |
re: #252 Bloodnok
oh it is really cool
the guy who runs it has built an honest-to-god castle
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 6:36:07am |
re: #259 vxbush
Heh. I could use some caffeine today; I've got a bang-up headache, but coffee isn't my idea of a caffeine delivery system. I'll probably go make some tea later--or just grab a Coke.
I've found that I can drink more of most batches of coffee than I could hot tea.
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haakondahl Sun, May 17, 2009 6:36:11am |
I missed Afton earlier. While his (her?) horse is dead, and his presence is no longer welcome, his post bears a little response. Sharmuta, Pawn of the Oppressor, and JCM addressed the fallacy he committed, but even that only speaks to his method. The real problem is his goal. Either he is a bit ignorant, or a bit deceptive, and I think it is the latter. We should repulse these attacks for what they are, and in order to do that, we have to recognize the content.
His post is three paragraphs each consisting of one sentence, each of which repeats his fallacious argument in varying degrees of completeness. The third and most complete is:
And as we bask in the glory of knowing that The One has successfully been elected to his Third Term as President we can all huddle around the corn burner at night and tell the children of the great Revolution of 2011 when the Keepers of the Constitution were defeated and the Workers Party of America (WPA) prevailed - science had been protected and the evangelicals had been banished to their catacombs never to see the light of day again. Hallelujah!
Folks have rightly pointed out that there is little to no connection between teaching ID nonsense and protecting America from Socialism. Either Afton is ignorant and feels that by defending the teaching of science from the idiotic precepts of ID and its fellow-travelers, we weaken the right and allow Socialism, or Afton is not actually concerned with Socialism one way or another, as long as he gets his creationism in the classroom.
It is this second possibility that alarms me more, as we are well-equipped to educate the ignorant, but we operate at a disadvantage in resisting the propaganda of a motivated, subtle opponent. On the right, we have not usually acquitted ourselves well in countering creeping socialism. We're more of the "bankrupt your whole half of the planet if we have to in order to smash communism" type of operators. Not so much with the pop-culture and media.
Either he's a little confused, or he has an agenda other than the obvious moronic screed. I think that this is another seminar caller, in radio terms, whose key issue is not socialism at all, but ID--and he is trying to recruit the opponents of socialism by default into a pro-ID stance.
Note the "branding" and associations in his third paragraph (reproduced above). Despite gutting the first amendment with ID nonsense, he calls his side the "Keepers of the Constitution" (K of C reference maybe?), and laments their banishment to the catacombs: just add lions.
Meanwhile the other side is the Workers Party of America (WPA was Roosevelt's Works Progress Administration, or Work Projects Administration after 1939). The WPA has us all in grey coats, long lines (Soviet), huddled around corn burners (global warming, eco-fuels nonsense, and an agrarian dystopian image to boot), and all of this in President Obama's third term, with FDR of course being the only three-term President to date.
His later comments and logical fallacies notwithstanding, Afton is either a good writer or knows where to cut and paste from one. So when I see a guy like this, I ask myself: Why is he posting this at LGF?
The reason I bring all of this up is to stress the importance of responding to him and his kind not as if they are confused, but as if they are hostile. The conflation of teaching ID and defending our Republican system of government is not a mistake--this is the wedge, prying apart the right.
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 6:36:11am |
re: #255 MandyManners
Now that's good coffee that can make your palms sweat.
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 6:37:31am |
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 17, 2009 6:37:38am |
re: #249 justdanny
Youre probably right.
Rush fans will probably know this, but I found it hilarious that his real name is Gary. His Jewish mother had a thick European accent and so when she said his name it came out as "Geddy". Of course his buddies picked up on this and the moniker stuck like glue.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 6:37:46am |
re: #260 rain of lead
oh it is really cool
the guy who runs it has built an honest-to-god castle
I have to admit, a castle would be really cool to live in. But only if it has radiant floor heating.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 6:38:52am |
re: #261 MandyManners
I've found that I can drink more of most batches of coffee than I could hot tea.
Really? How interesting. I could drink all day, but I have to make sure I drink enough water so I can breathe well.
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eddie- the Aggravator Sun, May 17, 2009 6:39:25am |
re: #247 Bloodnok
I thought you went back to sleep after my previous words of wisdom.
Ya know Bloodnok I actually met Yogi Berra once. He use to play golf in a small New Jersey town (Haworth) at the very posh White Beaches Country Club.
I'm not posh, but I was allowed to caddie there.
Got his autograph, but only a $5 tip. Cheap S.O.B.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 6:40:46am |
re: #263 bbuddha
Now that's good coffee that can make your palms sweat.
My eyelashes are beginning to sweat.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 6:41:12am |
Gotta' go get The Kid dressed for church. Where's my cattle prod?
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rain of lead Sun, May 17, 2009 6:41:26am |
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Bloodnok Sun, May 17, 2009 6:41:59am |
re: #268 eddie- the Aggravator
I thought you went back to sleep after my previous words of wisdom.
Ya know Bloodnok I actually met Yogi Berra once. He use to play golf in a small New Jersey town (Haworth) at the very posh White Beaches Country Club.
I'm not posh, but I was allowed to caddie there.
Got his autograph, but only a $5 tip. Cheap S.O.B.
I'm in a coffee shop. I'm not allowed to sleep here.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 6:43:11am |
re: #262 haakondahl
One tiny, teeny quibble:
... and all of this in President Obama's third term, ...
If he references 2011, that's only two or three years of Obama's first term, as he started office in 2009.
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 6:47:34am |
re: #269 Iron Fist
Amen and that is why I'm inclined to think that those of us on the right need a new party. repubs have lost all spine and sense. they act like washington is a sandbox and it's important to play nice and turn the other cheek.
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rain of lead Sun, May 17, 2009 6:49:06am |
re: #277 vxbush
he has been building it by himself by hand for the last 30 years
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Lincolntf Sun, May 17, 2009 6:49:53am |
Oh, what a treat. Joe Biden is going to be speaking at a college in my neighborhood tomorrow. Last month we had Jimmy Carter and right after the election it was Michelle Obama. Can't wait to see what idiocies spill from his lips.
Unfortunately the event is closed to the public so I'll have to listen in on local radio.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 6:50:06am |
re: #278 rain of lead
he has been building it by himself by hand for the last 30 years
Goodness. That takes dedication.
Oh, Mandy, do you still need the cattle prod? It's at my house.
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 6:50:58am |
re: #278 rain of lead
he has been building it by himself by hand for the last 30 years
Now that is a major DIY project.
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itellu3times Sun, May 17, 2009 6:51:15am |
You’ve got to be careful if you don’t know where you’re going, because you might not get there.
The hurrier I go, the behinder I get.
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 6:51:55am |
re: #272 MandyManners
Gotta' go get The Kid dressed for church. Where's my cattle prod?
I found that when all else fails, bribery works
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rain of lead Sun, May 17, 2009 6:51:59am |
re: #281 bbuddha
yeah, he just got the roof on the second tower last year
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 6:52:34am |
re: #283 bbuddha
I found that when all else fails, bribery works
In my household, it's chocolate, of course.
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justdanny Sun, May 17, 2009 7:00:04am |
re: #276 bbuddha
I second your firsting of I.F.'s post. And I agree with you that the Republican Party needs an overhaul.
As for myself, almost every person I know closely tells me that I am not a Republican. When I clearly am a Republican. But I'm an atheist. They say it is impossible for an atheist to honestly be a Republican. The hair brained left is so inclusive but as I am told the right isnt. Not in the sense that being an atheist is acceptable at the core of the right. The problem is that the stereotype of a Republican in many ways still holds true.
The right has to bust apart the stereotype.
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Erik The Red Sun, May 17, 2009 7:02:39am |
Hello Lizards. OMG this 18 year old Johnnie Gold is going down very nicely.
Help yourself to a wee dram............................>
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rain of lead Sun, May 17, 2009 7:02:52am |
re: #288 MandyManners
spare the prod, spoil the child :)
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 17, 2009 7:04:20am |
MPACUK: Chickens Come Home To Roost As White Americans Arrested
Most Americans were happy enough to see Muslims arrested using the Nazi-like Patriot act. Patriotic Americans jumped at the chance to lock Muslims up without trial.Well what goes around comes around. Any society that allows is liberties to be curtailed because Government propaganda convinces them they need more security deserve neither.
Right wing extremist? What was this kid up to?
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libertexian Sun, May 17, 2009 7:06:10am |
For decades, any time I've started a road trip I look to my dog or whatever god might be my co-pilot at the time and sing this little ditty from Lee Marvin, in 'Paint Your Wagon'...
Ohhh, where are we going
I ain't sayin'
When will we get there
I don't know...
All I know is we are on our wayyyyy.....
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Bloodnok Sun, May 17, 2009 7:06:14am |
Looks like the drizzle has about stopped. Time for me to get my 10 miles of walking in (whilst lugging laptop case). I needed to combine fitness with my LGF addiction somehow. Now I can justify being on so much.
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 7:06:53am |
re: #287 justdanny
I'm registered republican but I'm really a libertarian. I wish the libertarians were ready to be major players on the national political scene.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:10:30am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:11:24am |
re: #292 Iron Fist
There's nothing quite like smacking someone with a 120,000 volt riot control baton to, ahem, energize them into the proper mindset for compliance with your wishes or demands.
:-)
I mentioned that his chances of going to the park this afternoon rested on his getting ready for church on time.
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Erik The Red Sun, May 17, 2009 7:13:14am |
Aragorn: Gentlemen, we do not stop till nightfall.
Erik The Red: What about my birthday?
Aragorn: You've already had it.
Erik The Red: We've had one, yes. What about second birthday?
[Aragorn turns and walks off in disgust]
Merry: I don't think he knows about second Birthdatt, ETR
Erik The Red: What about 3rd BD? Drinks? Afternoon Drinks? Shots? After shots drinks? He knows about them, doesn't he?
Merry: I wouldn't count on
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:13:38am |
re: #291 Killgore Trout
MPACUK: Chickens Come Home To Roost As White Americans Arrested
Right wing extremist? What was this kid up to?
I agree with John B. Not because I need a 'Green Card' to America but because the race relations theory in America is less perversely racist than in societies like the UK and EU
Race relations theory? Which department is in charge of that?
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 7:13:41am |
re: #294 Bloodnok
Looks like the drizzle has about stopped. Time for me to get my 10 miles of walking in (whilst lugging laptop case). I needed to combine fitness with my LGF addiction somehow. Now I can justify being on so much.
Heh. I'd join you walking, but I'd only get about two in before I would collapse.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, May 17, 2009 7:13:42am |
re: #296 Iron Fist
When and where were Mohammedans rounded up using Nazi-like tatcics? I must have missed the cattle cars and concentration camps. How in the world did the evil Bushitler hide these things from the American people?
Cynthia McKinney can tell you all the details.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 7:13:48am |
Good morning y'all - from a coolish (67 degrees, going DOWN to 41 degrees) and rainy Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 7:14:18am |
re: #301 Erik The Red
Aragorn: Gentlemen, we do not stop till nightfall.
Erik The Red: What about my birthday?
Aragorn: You've already had it.
Erik The Red: We've had one, yes. What about second birthday?
[Aragorn turns and walks off in disgust]
Merry: I don't think he knows about second Birthdatt, ETR
Erik The Red: What about 3rd BD? Drinks? Afternoon Drinks? Shots? After shots drinks? He knows about them, doesn't he?
Merry: I wouldn't count on
ROTFLMAO
I love that scene. This is just as good, if not better.
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Lincolntf Sun, May 17, 2009 7:15:26am |
re: #296 Iron Fist
Everything any Republican has ever approved of is automatically "Nazi-like" to some.
It's saddening to see so many people minimize the evils of Hitler and the Holocaust by equating them with anyone who disagrees with their position on domestic policies.
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 7:15:46am |
re: #304 Alouette
Cynthia McKinney can tell you all the details.
and she's only slightly disconnected from reality ;-)
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 17, 2009 7:15:48am |
re: #296 Iron Fist
When and where were Mohammedans rounded up using Nazi-like tatcics? I must have missed the cattle cars and concentration camps. How in the world did the evil Bushitler hide these things from the American people?
The Islamists are trying to use the right's new anti-government paranoia to help them get national security measures relaxed.
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justdanny Sun, May 17, 2009 7:15:51am |
re: #295 bbuddha
There needs to be some base set of ideas that unite us on the right but that don't inflict on us culturally tangential beliefs that divide us as individuals.
We live right here right now. We need to get ahold of the right here and right now and F%$#@ing run with it.
99.9% of the people I love are Christians. I have no issue with Christians. I was once a Christian. My beliefs are mine. Yours are yours.
But we must come together to protect our right to have our own beliefs.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:18:22am |
Raising a child is a lot like governing a nation.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 17, 2009 7:19:06am |
Euronazis on the rise.....
BNP could be at heart of far-right EU group
Nick Griffin, the leader of the British National Party, is poised to become a key figure in the creation of a new far-right group in the European Parliament.
Over the last year, Mr Griffin has strengthened links to extremist European groups to prepare the way for a far-right surge at euro elections next month.
High-level Labour sources have told The Daily Telegraph that a high abstention rate, fuelled by popular disgust over the Westminster MP expenses scandal, could lead to the election of at least four BNP MEPs, including Mr Griffin
..
Other extremist groups in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Italy and Slovakia are expected to make major gains during the elections after using the economic crisis to stir up resentment against Roma
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Truck Monkey Sun, May 17, 2009 7:19:06am |
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 17, 2009 7:19:56am |
re: #311 MandyManners
Raising a child is a lot like governing a nation.
Tax him. That'll teach him a lesson.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 17, 2009 7:21:06am |
re: #305 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a coolish (67 degrees, going DOWN to 41 degrees) and rainy Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?
Mornin', Realwest.
We're having a little cool front here in south La., ourselves.
Daily high will be 88 instead of 91, LOL.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 17, 2009 7:23:46am |
re: #291 Killgore Trout
Mom Outraged by Son's Arrest Reportedly Knew of His Web Stardom for Phone Threats
....a new report by Wired News suggests that, not only was the teenager an online superstar in rogue tech communities for his prank phone calls, but his mother may have known all along that the boy was conspiring with others to make bomb threats.
Lundeby, known online as "Tyrone," allegedly had progressed into selling his services as a threatmaker, charging schoolchildren from across the country $5 apiece to place threatening, Internet-based phone calls that would cause administrators to shut down their schools, Wired News reports.
"I heard the prank phone calls he made," his mother, Annette Lundeby, said in the Wired report. "They were really funny prank calls."
On top of that, the U.S. Attorney's office handling the case says her story about abuse of the Patriot Act was false.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 7:24:37am |
re: #315 reine.de.tout
ROFL! It's that damn Global Warming Climate Change I tell's ya!
But on a serious note, the weather here in N.C. has been bizarre to say the least. Four weeks ago to the day we had spring. Since then we've played with summer and apparently are now going back to autumn.
Geez, just since I typed my first comment, we've dropped one degree. Good thing we've got plenty of firewood left!
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 7:24:46am |
re: #310 justdanny
absolutely correct. It needs to be about liberty, everybody's liberty to believe and act as they want without stepping on anyone else's rights. Your atheism doesn't threaten my spiritual life and beliefs, I am a believer that doesn't like organized religion at all. ......on a side note I have to admit when I found that my favorite authors were atheists I had to do a little re evaluating. that is healthy and should be embraced by everyone. ..... I think part of the divisiveness come of intellectual laziness.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:25:08am |
re: #312 Killgore Trout
Euronazis on the rise.....
BNP could be at heart of far-right EU group
Nick Griffin, the leader of the British National Party, is poised to become a key figure in the creation of a new far-right group in the European Parliament.
Have you heard about the expense scandal in England right now? It includes MoP of the major parties. People are resigning or being removed. I hope the BNP doesn't realize that this could be a golden opportunity to present itself as a "clean" alternative.
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 7:25:18am |
re: #311 MandyManners
I always thought it was sorta like herding cats
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 7:25:20am |
re: #316 justdanny
Hey there justdanny - hugs right back to you! How are you doing?
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 7:25:57am |
re: #305 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a coolish (67 degrees, going DOWN to 41 degrees) and rainy Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?
Sleepy. Tired. Major headache. Staying home today from church.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:26:32am |
re: #314 Killgore Trout
Tax him. That'll teach him a lesson.
Thing is, until he gets his trust fund at 18, his money is my money. I'll just keep charging him a hug and a kiss at bed time.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 7:26:36am |
re: #321 bbuddha
I always thought it was sorta like herding cats
No, that's managing software developers.
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Lincolntf Sun, May 17, 2009 7:26:48am |
re: #318 realwest
No kidding.
Up here in the Triad we've had a series of beautiful sunny days and dark, storm-wracked days. And they were the same freakin' days!
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 7:27:37am |
re: #323 vxbush
Gee, sorry to hear you're feeling so lousy - *hands LARGE box of chocolates to vxbush* - here, these may not help, but they can't really hurt, either!
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 17, 2009 7:27:57am |
re: #320 MandyManners
Yeah, it looks like the scandal may present an opportunity for the BNP.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:28:17am |
re: #317 Killgore Trout
Mom Outraged by Son's Arrest Reportedly Knew of His Web Stardom for Phone Threats
Lundeby, known online as "Tyrone," allegedly had progressed into selling his services as a threatmaker, charging schoolchildren from across the country $5 apiece to place threatening, Internet-based phone calls that would cause administrators to shut down their schools, Wired News reports.
Enterprising young cuss.
Seriously, what in the world is WRONG with his mother?!
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:28:41am |
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 7:29:19am |
re: #324 MandyManners
Good morning Mandy - how is the kiddo responding to the meds I think you said yesterday you were gonna try him on?
Oh and btw, do you give the Kiddo an allowance?
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 7:29:47am |
re: #327 realwest
Gee, sorry to hear you're feeling so lousy - *hands LARGE box of chocolates to vxbush* - here, these may not help, but they can't really hurt, either!
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Right now, sniffing them alone may make me high.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:29:59am |
re: #328 Killgore Trout
Yeah, it looks like the scandal may present an opportunity for the BNP.
That was the very first thing that crossed my mind as I read the story the other day.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 17, 2009 7:30:23am |
re: #324 MandyManners
If he has a trust fund coming you have a lot to teach him about money. I know a lot of kids who wasted their money by getting it before they were ready. I don't know why they make those things for 18, it's too young. They really should get their money at 30.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 7:31:08am |
re: #329 MandyManners
Lundeby, known online as "Tyrone," allegedly had progressed into selling his services as a threatmaker, charging schoolchildren from across the country $5 apiece to place threatening, Internet-based phone calls that would cause administrators to shut down their schools, Wired News reports.
Enterprising young cuss.
Seriously, what in the world is WRONG with his mother?!
Same as whats wrong with many parents nowadays. As long as 'junior" is otherwise engaged in school, or in front of a video game, or on the internet mommy and daddy don't have to do any parenting
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 17, 2009 7:31:28am |
re: #329 MandyManners
I'm guessing the parents are more than a little nutty. I just listened to some of his threatening phone calls. Not even remotely funny.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, May 17, 2009 7:32:19am |
re: #309 Killgore Trout
The Islamists are trying to use the right's new anti-government paranoia to help them get national security measures relaxed.
I think you got that a bit twisted. The right has always been against big government, the extreme right extremely so to the point of paranoia. What is relatively new is the left's willingness to throw national security under the bus in their drooling heat to vilify the previous administration and placate the third world street.
And that is what the Islamofascists in America are using, is it not?
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:32:43am |
re: #331 realwest
Good morning Mandy - how is the kiddo responding to the meds I think you said yesterday you were gonna try him on?
Oh and btw, do you give the Kiddo an allowance?
The 10 mgs. seem to be the right dosage. He wasn't lethargic nor was he whipping around the house like a downed power line during a hurricane.
I stopped the allowance thing during the school year but I'm reinstating it this week.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 7:32:54am |
re: #326 Lincolntf Oh yeah, we've had that too (same state so it figures that'd be true!) but really, I don't recall it ever getting this cold this late in the "spring"!
And NOW the damn water utility company wants to raise it's rates cause last year - when there was a drought, apparently we used so much less water (as directed and suggested by our State officials) that the utility lost money. So now we're gonna pay higher prices for conserving so much!God I LOVE North Carolina politics - sorta like Triple A baseball for the big, industrialized states! LOL!
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 7:34:42am |
re: #334 Killgore Trout
If he has a trust fund coming you have a lot to teach him about money. I know a lot of kids who wasted their money by getting it before they were ready. I don't know why they make those things for 18, it's too young. They really should get their money at 30.
It does help to bombard their minds with Dave Ramsey techniques from a very young age.
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justdanny Sun, May 17, 2009 7:35:01am |
re: #319 bbuddha
Liberty
The condition of being free from restriction or control.
The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor.
Yes. The right to BE ME. On this we should all agree. As long as my actions do not prevent others from persuing their Liberty, I am free to persue being me and following my ideas or whatever other ideas I choose to make my own.
Maybe the transformation of the right begins right here right now.
We agree on Liberty. What next?
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 7:35:14am |
re: #332 vxbush
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Right now, sniffing them alone may make me high.
Well if sniffing them alone may make you high, please, PLEASE eat a bunch and keep on posting! Should be cool for us!
:)
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 7:35:57am |
re: #339 realwest
hey Real ,,,you been saving up your pennies?
STEP 1 Mike Vick gets released from jail Wednesday to home confinement.
STEP 2 will be his agent appealing to the NFL probably within the next 3-4 weeks
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 7:36:50am |
re: #337 Spare O'Lake
"And that is what the Islamofascists in America are using, is it not?"
It are indeed! Good comment there, thanks!
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justdanny Sun, May 17, 2009 7:37:07am |
RealWest.
Just living the dream, Sir. Every hour is a struggle that I seem to get through.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 7:37:20am |
re: #344 wiffersnapper
Another classic from Yogi
-- Referring to a Steve McQueen movie.
"He must have made that before he died."
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:37:28am |
re: #334 Killgore Trout
If he has a trust fund coming you have a lot to teach him about money. I know a lot of kids who wasted their money by getting it before they were ready. I don't know why they make those things for 18, it's too young. They really should get their money at 30.
I can change the age through the right legal doo-hicky. But, I foresee him learning about money when he gets his first car. I'll buy the car but, he'll be responsible for paying for gas, maintenance and his own insurance, as well as any tickets he mght get. I think paying for the latter will teach him about responsible driving 'cause if he gets a ticket he cannot pay and if his insurance goes up to the point that he cannot pay it, the car will be used for restricted purposes, such as only for school and work. (My dad once restricted me to 250 miles/week but, I figured out how to disconnect the spedometer.)
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 7:37:47am |
re: #342 realwest
Well if sniffing them alone may make you high, please, PLEASE eat a bunch and keep on posting! Should be cool for us!
:)
HA! You wish. I'm afraid I don't wax eloquent when I get loopy. I just get loopy.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 7:38:25am |
re: #341 justdanny
Liberty
The condition of being free from restriction or control.
The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor.Yes. The right to BE ME. On this we should all agree. As long as my actions do not prevent others from persuing their Liberty, I am free to persue being me and following my ideas or whatever other ideas I choose to make my own.
Maybe the transformation of the right begins right here right now.
We agree on Liberty. What next?
Throw all the people who don't believe in liberty in jail.
//;)
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:39:24am |
re: #335 sattv4u2
Same as whats wrong with many parents nowadays. As long as 'junior" is otherwise engaged in school, or in front of a video game, or on the internet mommy and daddy don't have to do any parenting
I don't think it's "many parents". We don't hear about the kids who don't get into trouble. When was the last time you read an article about an Eagle Scout or a kid who earned an academic scholarship to an Ivy League school? In the MFM, if it bleeds, it leads.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 7:39:27am |
re: #338 MandyManners
Well I'm pleased for you and for the kiddo that it's the right dosage.
As for the allowance, y'all could see what it's like being a Democrat: tax him so much of his allowance (but unlike the Dems save it for him) that he doesn't seem to care if he gets it or not, long as you provide for all of his wants and needs!
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:40:19am |
re: #336 Killgore Trout
I'm guessing the parents are more than a little nutty. I just listened to some of his threatening phone calls. Not even remotely funny.
Pwecious, spayshul snow fwake, eh?
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 7:40:25am |
re: #341 justdanny
We agree on Liberty. What next?
I think that's the important one.
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justdanny Sun, May 17, 2009 7:40:58am |
re: #350 Soona'
Throw all of the people who as a function of their persuit of their liberty must diminish the rights of others to persue their liberty, in jail. Better yet forget jail. Chain them to a post in the desert for life. If they have people who love them well enough to care for them, then let them trek to the desert to feed and shelter them.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:41:40am |
re: #352 realwest
Well I'm pleased for you and for the kiddo that it's the right dosage.
As for the allowance, y'all could see what it's like being a Democrat: tax him so much of his allowance (but unlike the Dems save it for him) that he doesn't seem to care if he gets it or not, long as you provide for all of his wants and needs!
I'll let him learn about taxation with his first job.
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Lincolntf Sun, May 17, 2009 7:42:00am |
re: #354 bbuddha
Using our Liberty to advance ourselves so that we do not have to rely on the Government for anything but it's real duties: National defense, border security, etc.
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 17, 2009 7:44:29am |
re: #353 MandyManners
...and the Patriot act angle is being pushed by the usual suspects like WND, Alex Jones, Stormfront, etc.
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 7:44:45am |
re: #356 MandyManners
I'll let him learn about taxation with his first job.
That's the way. I got a phone call from my daughter when she got her first check from her first full time "I'm in the real world now" check. She was flipping out that so much was taken out and wanted to know what all those initials were that got her money.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 7:44:49am |
re: #355 justdanny
Throw all of the people who as a function of their persuit of their liberty must diminish the rights of others to persue their liberty, in jail. Better yet forget jail. Chain them to a post in the desert for life. If they have people who love them well enough to care for them, then let them trek to the desert to feed and shelter them.
And I know the perfect place in the desert to send them. Parump, NV.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 7:45:29am |
re: #343 sattv4u2
Why on earth would I need to save up my pennies? We didn't make any wager that I can recall!
/
It's shit like that, that makes me remember that the NFL is all about MONEY and NOTHING BUT MONEY.
Sheesh, I'm old enough to remember Paul Hornung and Alex Karras truly paying incredible prices for even being associated with gambling and here this s.o.b. Vick, who purposesly raised dogs to kill other dogs for fun and profit (and iirc, there was some gambling around those Dog Fights) is getting out early and - no doubt - getting another contract to play pro-ball.
Fucker ought to stay locked up for another 4-5 years, at least.
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 7:47:38am |
re: #361 Soona'
and what has parump, nv ever done to you? :-)
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justdanny Sun, May 17, 2009 7:48:17am |
Governments job?
Guard our borders.
Facilitate ease of travel.
Guard our resources.
etc (thats one huge "etc")
Wow. A can of worms the size of the planet now opens in my mind.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 7:48:47am |
re: #351 MandyManners
I don't think it's "many parents". We don't hear about the kids who don't get into trouble. When was the last time you read an article about an Eagle Scout or a kid who earned an academic scholarship to an Ivy League school? In the MFM, if it bleeds, it leads.
Unfortunately is IS many parents. Spend some time in an urban or suburban public school. See how little participation there is now in PTA'a there. See how few parents show up to after school activities. One of the reasons we liked the public school where we were when we 1st moved to Georgia is that the PTA was very big and active. After school activiteis PACKEd with parents
Now ,, same school ,,,,, not so much. The schools for the most part are free babysitting services
(the BIG reason why our son is now in private high school
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 7:48:51am |
re: #346 justdanny Gee whiz, another one calling me "sir" and you ought to know better!
I'm truly sorry that every hour is a struggle, but glad to hear that you 're getting through each hour ok. Do you think there might be a pattern there?
And no I'm not being a smartass with you - I mean seriously, maybe you need each hour to be a struggle to get through just so you can get through the day?
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, May 17, 2009 7:49:24am |
Good morning lizards!
Here's a brunch idea.
Sandwich filled with ground beef, bacon, corn dogs, ham, pastrami, roast beef, bratwurst, braunschweiger and turkey, topped with fried mushrooms, onion rings, swiss/provolone/cheddar/feta/parmesan cheeses, lettuce and butter on a loaf white bread.
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 7:49:28am |
re: #362 realwest
Why on earth would I need to save up my pennies? We didn't make any wager that I can recall!
/
It's shit like that, that makes me remember that the NFL is all about MONEY and NOTHING BUT MONEY.
Sheesh, I'm old enough to remember Paul Hornung and Alex Karras truly paying incredible prices for even being associated with gambling and here this s.o.b. Vick, who purposesly raised dogs to kill other dogs for fun and profit (and iirc, there was some gambling around those Dog Fights) is getting out early and - no doubt - getting another contract to play pro-ball.
Fucker ought to stay locked up for another 4-5 years, at least.
I don't follow sports at all but it seems that any POS that did what he did to dogs should NEVER get another contract. Make him get a real job
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 7:50:08am |
re: #362 realwest
(and iirc, there was some gambling around those Dog Fights) More than SOME. It was THE reason for the fights
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 7:50:19am |
re: #360 bbuddha
That's the way. I got a phone call from my daughter when she got her first check from her first full time "I'm in the real world now" check. She was flipping out that so much was taken out and wanted to know what all those initials were that got her money.
I hope you didn't do something like the following:
"FICA? Well, that's the Federal Institute for Cataloging Assholes. Like that boyfriend you were dating last year. Yeah, I had to call him in to FICA."
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 7:51:06am |
re: #351 MandyManners
I don't think it's "many parents". We don't hear about the kids who don't get into trouble. When was the last time you read an article about an Eagle Scout or a kid who earned an academic scholarship to an Ivy League school? In the MFM, if it bleeds, it leads.
Absolutely Spot On Post Mandy. If it's good it ain't news, according to them.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 7:51:43am |
re: #368 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards!
Here's a brunch idea.
Gah. That doesn't even sound appealing.
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haakondahl Sun, May 17, 2009 7:51:56am |
re: #307 Lincolntf
Everything any Republican has ever approved of is automatically "Nazi-like" to some.
It's saddening to see so many people minimize the evils of Hitler and the Holocaust by equating them with anyone who disagrees with their position on domestic policies.
Similar to the de-rating of torture. It is unconscionable that the word itself has been so diluted, and in an official sense no less, as to indicate embarassment or discomfort. What word then shall be reserved for those whose bodies were mutilated and broken in captivity? For this is certainly not the same thing that we are now "debating" in the context of legal or illegal actions on the part of the United States government.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 7:52:37am |
re: #362 realwest
Why on earth would I need to save up my pennies? We didn't make any wager that I can recall!
/
It's shit like that, that makes me remember that the NFL is all about MONEY and NOTHING BUT MONEY.
Sheesh, I'm old enough to remember Paul Hornung and Alex Karras truly paying incredible prices for even being associated with gambling and here this s.o.b. Vick, who purposesly raised dogs to kill other dogs for fun and profit (and iirc, there was some gambling around those Dog Fights) is getting out early and - no doubt - getting another contract to play pro-ball.
Fucker ought to stay locked up for another 4-5 years, at least.
I'm with you, real. Anyone who did the kinds of things to innocent animals that Vick did have a sickness inside themselves that should never be exposed to society at large. His crime, I believe, is just as dispicible as any chronic child abuser.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 7:53:39am |
re: #361 Soona'
Uh, "Parump, NV" ? Is that where Harry Ried lives?
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 17, 2009 7:54:08am |
"When you get to the fork in the road, take it."
~Yogi Berra
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:54:16am |
re: #359 Killgore Trout
...and the Patriot act angle is being pushed by the usual suspects like WND, Alex Jones, Stormfront, etc.
Aren't bomb threats are proper matters for the feds?
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:55:27am |
re: #360 bbuddha
That's the way. I got a phone call from my daughter when she got her first check from her first full time "I'm in the real world now" check. She was flipping out that so much was taken out and wanted to know what all those initials were that got her money.
Is she a Republican or Democrat nowadays?
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 7:56:04am |
re: #371 vxbush
No, I try not to editorialize on the boyfriends "even thought not one yet has been worthy of her"
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 7:56:09am |
re: #377 _RememberTonyC
"When you get to the fork in the road, take it."
~Yogi Berra
"I didn't really say everything I said."
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 17, 2009 7:56:19am |
re: #376 realwest
Uh, "Parump, NV" ? Is that where Harry Ried lives?
Art Bell lives there ....
nasty harry lives in Searchlight, NV
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 17, 2009 7:56:39am |
Kids in the Hall predicted Glenn Beck.....
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 17, 2009 7:56:54am |
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 7:56:55am |
re: #380 bbuddha
No, I try not to editorialize on the boyfriends "even thought not one yet has been worthy of her"
No man is ever good enough for the daughters. Or if he is, it took a long time to find him.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 7:57:22am |
"You should always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to yours."
Yogism
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gmsc Sun, May 17, 2009 7:58:15am |
re: #376 realwest
Uh, "Parump, NV" ? Is that where Harry Ried lives?
No, Pahrump is the city in Nevada where you live if you screw people for a living, and . . .
. . . oh, I see why thought that, now.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 7:58:16am |
re: #382 _RememberTonyC
Art Bell lives there ....
nasty harry lives in Searchlight, NV
fitting ,,, he needs to find a clue
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 17, 2009 7:58:34am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 7:58:58am |
re: #366 sattv4u2
Unfortunately is IS many parents. Spend some time in an urban or suburban public school. See how little participation there is now in PTA'a there. See how few parents show up to after school activities. One of the reasons we liked the public school where we were when we 1st moved to Georgia is that the PTA was very big and active. After school activiteis PACKEd with parents
Now ,, same school ,,,,, not so much. The schools for the most part are free babysitting services
(the BIG reason why our son is now in private high school
Just because a parent does not join PTA or attend after-school activities does not mean that they don't care. If you cannot take time off from work, you cannot attend. And, if you're busy trying to get supper on the table, supervising home work, doing laundry, et cet., you cannot attend.
This is something we'll have to agree to disagree about. Maybe it's because The Kid attends a private school where the level of parental in-put is higher than public schools perhaps because not both parents have to work.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 7:59:12am |
re: #389 _RememberTonyC
"Fuck George Steinbrenner and his idiot sons."
~RememberTonyC
Bucky F***ing Dent
Sattv
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 7:59:45am |
re: #379 MandyManners
She's a registered independent regretting her vote in her first election. Her politics are looking more like her mothers everyday (Yay me)
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:00:11am |
re: #372 realwest
Absolutely Spot On Post Mandy. If it's good it ain't news, according to them.
Precisely. We don't hear about the good 'cause the MFM want us to focus on the bad.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 17, 2009 8:00:35am |
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Lincolntf Sun, May 17, 2009 8:01:22am |
"Swing and a ground ball, stabbed by Foulke. He has it. He underhands to first. And the Boston Red Sox are the World Champions. For the first time in 86 years, the Red Sox have won baseball's world championship. Can you believe it?"
--Joe Castiglione
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 8:01:40am |
re: #369 bbuddha
I don't follow sports at all but it seems that any POS that did what he did to dogs should NEVER get another contract. Make him get a real job
See, I can tell from that that you are a much nicer person than am I. What he did to "man's best friend" (and anthropologically speaking that is probably true; without wolves or their predecessors in the canine lupus family, humankind may never have made it) ought to be punished FAR MORE SEVERELY than simply making him get a real job. But out of respect for LGF I won't go into the details of what I'd like to see happen to him.
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justdanny Sun, May 17, 2009 8:01:50am |
re: #367 realwest Good observation, Sir ;)
Probably so. I've been here 47 years. If it stopped all of sudden I might not feel my feet on the floor.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 8:02:25am |
re: #390 MandyManners
But thats my point. Too many parents nowadays drop junior off at daycare at 7 a.m. Daycare gives them "breakfast" then the school bus picks them up. Schooll "takes care" of them until the bus takes them back to daycare. At 7-8 at night they get picked up and taken home for a frozen pizza, off to video games till bedtime
All so mommy can have a 2009 BMW and daddy can have a 2009 SUV, flat screen TV's. the latest and greatetst PDA's and blackberries, etc etc
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:02:29am |
re: #392 bbuddha
She's a registered independent regretting her vote in her first election. Her politics are looking more like her mothers everyday (Yay me)
I voted CPUSA in my first election (2nd term of Reagan). I grew out of that before I got to vote for G.H.W. Bush.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 8:02:51am |
re: #390 MandyManners
Just because a parent does not join PTA or attend after-school activities does not mean that they don't care. If you cannot take time off from work, you cannot attend. And, if you're busy trying to get supper on the table, supervising home work, doing laundry, et cet., you cannot attend.
This is something we'll have to agree to disagree about. Maybe it's because The Kid attends a private school where the level of parental in-put is higher than public schools perhaps because not both parents have to work.
At the private school my daughter attended, there was a requirement that parents must put in 25 hours with the school in some capacity: coaching, lunchroom supervision, road trips, whatever. Some parents were there constantly, and some weren't; they would figure out how to get in their 25 hours and never show up again. Some years we put in more than 25 hours, some years right at 25 hours. But we knew who we could count on to help in a pinch.
Do I think the other parents loved their kids less or were less involved? No. I know some were able to spend more time than others, just as you said.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 8:03:25am |
re: #374 haakondahl
Similar to the de-rating of torture. It is unconscionable that the word itself has been so diluted, and in an official sense no less, as to indicate embarassment or discomfort. What word then shall be reserved for those whose bodies were mutilated and broken in captivity? For this is certainly not the same thing that we are now "debating" in the context of legal or illegal actions on the part of the United States government.
All of this is the democrat plan to get back at GW. Their hate for him know no bounds. They're more than willing to tear down anything, including our national security, to demonstrate that they should have been the rightful owners of the US back in the election of 2000. They have been harboring a lot of anger toward freedom loving people since then, and they're going to make the "Bushies" suffer, and the rest of us pay.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:03:36am |
re: #398 sattv4u2
But thats my point. Too many parents nowadays drop junior off at daycare at 7 a.m. Daycare gives them "breakfast" then the school bus picks them up. Schooll "takes care" of them until the bus takes them back to daycare. At 7-8 at night they get picked up and taken home for a frozen pizza, off to video games till bedtime
All so mommy can have a 2009 BMW and daddy can have a 2009 SUV, flat screen TV's. the latest and greatetst PDA's and blackberries, etc etc
I don't see that around here. At all.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 8:03:49am |
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Lincolntf Sun, May 17, 2009 8:04:07am |
re: #401 MandyManners
They wear red stirrup socks over regular white ones. Unless you count Schilling, of course.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 17, 2009 8:04:23am |
re: #395 Lincolntf
As I take my seat in section 9 at the TD Banknorth Garden tonight for game 7 of Magic vs Celtics, I hope to hear this call:
"Ray Allen for three ..... GOT IT"
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 8:04:32am |
re: #403 MandyManners
I don't see that around here. At all.
But you're out in the counrty, IIRC. My original post stated urban and their suburbs
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 8:04:34am |
re: #382 _RememberTonyC
Art Bell..............name sounds familiar but I don't really recognize it. Who is (or was he)?
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:05:06am |
re: #400 vxbush
At the private school my daughter attended, there was a requirement that parents must put in 25 hours with the school in some capacity: coaching, lunchroom supervision, road trips, whatever. Some parents were there constantly, and some weren't; they would figure out how to get in their 25 hours and never show up again. Some years we put in more than 25 hours, some years right at 25 hours. But we knew who we could count on to help in a pinch.
Do I think the other parents loved their kids less or were less involved? No. I know some were able to spend more time than others, just as you said.
Unless one knows a family really well, one doesn't know the dynamics in that family.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:05:14am |
re: #399 MandyManners
WHACK!
Mornin' Mandy! {MANDY}
I got to vote for RWR against Jimmy when Jimmy was running in 1980. Missed the '76 election by one year.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 17, 2009 8:05:15am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 8:05:29am |
re: #408 realwest
Art Bell..............name sounds familiar but I don't really recognize it. Who is (or was he)?
Radio talk host. Mostly deals with "space aliens" ,, area 51 type stories ,, etc
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 8:05:30am |
re: #376 realwest
Uh, "Parump, NV" ? Is that where Harry Ried lives?
Now that I think about it. Yes. They could all live with each other in happy statist bliss.
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Lincolntf Sun, May 17, 2009 8:06:03am |
re: #406 _RememberTonyC
I'll be there in spirit.
If you see a guy up in the nosebleeds with a Scalabrine jersey, red wig and headband, that's my buddy Chris. He has a knack for finding the cameras, so I'll be on the lookout for him.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:06:05am |
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 17, 2009 8:06:19am |
re: #408 realwest
Art Bell..............name sounds familiar but I don't really recognize it. Who is (or was he)?
overnight radio host with a nationally syndicated show .... did a lot of UFO stuff .... replaced a few years ago by George Noory.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:06:24am |
re: #405 Lincolntf
They wear red stirrup socks over regular white ones. Unless you count Schilling, of course.
What's a Schilling?
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 8:06:50am |
re: #415 MandyManners
What's a sanitary?
white socks that go up to the knee
in sports, called sanitary socks (I have no idea why)
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 8:07:00am |
re: #415 MandyManners
What's a sanitary?
[Finding duct tape, pulling off a piece, and taping over my mouth]
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:07:09am |
re: #412 sattv4u2
George Nouri runs the show now. Art Bell sets in from time to time. Used to work swing shift and that's all I could get on the radio! Real crazy shit!
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:07:17am |
re: #407 sattv4u2
But you're out in the counrty, IIRC. My original post stated urban and their suburbs
The MRSI where we live is about 500,000 so, it's not exactly country but, it's not a big, big city.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 8:07:38am |
re: #397 justdanny
Damn, justdanny, I really have missed you and sure am glad you've returned!
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 8:07:42am |
re: #420 pingjockey
George Nouri runs the show now. Art Bell sets in from time to time. Used to work swing shift and that's all I could get on the radio! Real crazy shit!
I know that. I didn't ask who he was, I was answering
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Lincolntf Sun, May 17, 2009 8:08:10am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:08:47am |
re: #410 pingjockey
WHACK!
Mornin' Mandy! {MANDY}
I got to vote for RWR against Jimmy when Jimmy was running in 1980. Missed the '76 election by one year.
I'd moved to Seattle from the heart of the Smokey Mountains and was disgusted about the homelessness, especially that of Viet Nam vets.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 17, 2009 8:08:48am |
re: #414 Lincolntf
I'll be there in spirit.
If you see a guy up in the nosebleeds with a Scalabrine jersey, red wig and headband, that's my buddy Chris. He has a knack for finding the cameras, so I'll be on the lookout for him.
My oldest son will be wearing his Paul Pierce jersey ... my youngest his 2008 Celtics Championship T-shirt, and I will be wearing an understated green golf shirt with a Celtics logo. My wife will be wearing black as she looks totally hot in that color.
I'll look for Chris!
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:09:07am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 8:09:08am |
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:09:59am |
re: #418 sattv4u2
white socks that go up to the knee
in sports, called sanitary socks (I have no idea why)
I reckon sports have special names for regular objects for some reason or another.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 17, 2009 8:10:02am |
Interesting.
Apparently, in his pre-public life, Obama (and Michelle) had as little financial sense as he does as Pres.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:10:18am |
re: #419 vxbush
[Finding duct tape, pulling off a piece, and taping over my mouth]
*rrriiiiiipppppppppp*
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bbuddha Sun, May 17, 2009 8:10:23am |
re: #396 realwest
"....See, I can tell from that that you are a much nicer person than am I...."
That is what my other half tells me. I do understand where you are coming from; but I find that my worst vitriol is reserved for people that mess with my child, mother bear syndrome?
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MacDuff Sun, May 17, 2009 8:10:24am |
re: #375 Soona'
I'm with you, real. Anyone who did the kinds of things to innocent animals that Vick did have a sickness inside themselves that should never be exposed to society at large. His crime, I believe, is just as dispicible as any chronic child abuser.
I have zero tolerance for animal abuse. Zero. I think that a lot of serial killers start out torturing animals as children, then branch out to people as they get older. This isn't to say that Vick is a potential serial killer, of course, but his actions show a total lack of compassion and indicate that there's something seriously wrong with him- at least some degree, a sociopath
Sports stars used to be role models; now, far too many of them are people who have never been held accountable for their actions and are not really fit for life in normal society.
The NFL and the NBA has allowed this trend to continue in the pursuit of money. It's time that they took a stand, and continue to take a stand against the anti-social behavior that it becoming all too prevalent among these over paid thugs.
End their careers. Period.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:10:52am |
re: #426 MandyManners
Ah Ha! Was it Gus Hall and Angela Davis on the ticket? Wish I'd kept some of those old voter guides.
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haakondahl Sun, May 17, 2009 8:10:57am |
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 17, 2009 8:11:16am |
re: #428 MandyManners
Nope. I've never seen a Red Sox.
The Sox (pronounced "Sawx" by Bostonians) are New England's passion. Red Sox fans booed john f'n kerry when he threw out the first pitch before a game a few years ago. It was a classic moment.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:11:18am |
re: #424 Lincolntf
He also happens to be a Conservative.
I was hoping for a shot from the locker room.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 8:12:01am |
re: #433 MandyManners
*rrriiiiiipppppppppp*
yyyyyyyEEEEEOOOOWWWWW!
Dat wadn't nedessary.
[rubs lips]
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 8:12:03am |
re: #398 sattv4u2 Ah, that description does fit SOME parents I know, but not most parents and no single parents I know. It is a bitch out there in the real world and lots of folks work that hard and as a result have truly so little time for their kids, cause they bought a house that was more expensive than they could carry without both spouses working, so that the kid(s) could go to public school in a GREAT school district and afford a lot of material needs today. DINK's are more like those you describe than any parents I know.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 8:12:19am |
re: #408 realwest
Art Bell..............name sounds familiar but I don't really recognize it. Who is (or was he)?
He's an entertainment genius who tapped the late, late night nutroots market with a radio show called "Art Bell: Coast to Coast". Art retired a few years ago and a guy named George Noory took over. Same format, though. Crazy people with crazy ideas and conspriracies. After midnight, they come out of the woodwork like cockroaches.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:13:06am |
re: #435 MacDuff
I think that a lot of serial killers start out torturing animals as children,
Yes, they do. It goes to the fact that sociopaths/psychopaths never develop a conscience which is based on feelings of remorse and empathy.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:14:22am |
re: #442 Soona'
It is entertaining. Much better than Michael Savage! I like the 'remote viewing' kooks and the time traveling guy.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 8:14:48am |
re: #418 sattv4u2
white socks that go up to the knee
in sports, called sanitary socks (I have no idea why)
Oh. I thought it had something to do with...............nevermind.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:14:54am |
re: #436 pingjockey
Ah Ha! Was it Gus Hall and Angela Davis on the ticket? Wish I'd kept some of those old voter guides.
Those were the ones. Isn't she a professor at a university in California nowadays?
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 17, 2009 8:15:04am |
re: #442 Soona'
He's an entertainment genius who tapped the late, late night nutroots market with a radio show called "Art Bell: Coast to Coast". Art retired a few years ago and a guy named George Noory took over. Same format, though. Crazy people with crazy ideas and conspriracies. After midnight, they come out of the woodwork like cockroaches.
The best thing I ever heard on that show was a three hour interview with Walid Shoebat, the former PLO terrorist who converted to Christianity and is a strong supporter of Israel. Sometimes I work really late and will listen as I'm falling asleep, but that night I was up until 5:00am listening to Shoebat. It was memorable.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:15:16am |
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 8:15:28am |
re: #417 MandyManners
I think a Schilling is a few ha'penny's but don't know British monetary terms all that well!
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SixDegrees Sun, May 17, 2009 8:15:35am |
re: #374 haakondahl
Similar to the de-rating of torture. It is unconscionable that the word itself has been so diluted, and in an official sense no less, as to indicate embarassment or discomfort. What word then shall be reserved for those whose bodies were mutilated and broken in captivity? For this is certainly not the same thing that we are now "debating" in the context of legal or illegal actions on the part of the United States government.
The real problem with torture, as the issue now stands, is that there is no clear definition of what constitutes torture. This leaves the topic wide open to any sort of interpretation one side wishes to put forward that is most detrimental to the other side.
If the Democrats are concerned about torture and about ensuring that the United States never engages in torture, they ought to be working day and night constructing a usable definition of the term and enacting laws that demand compliance with that definition. Do you see any of them doing anything even a little bit like that? No, of course not. Because that would eliminate their ability to whine, accuse and grandstand over the nebulous non-definition that now exists, and it would automatically exonerate any acts committed prior to the enactment of such laws, since the Constitution forbids ex post facto lawmaking. While it would absolutely be the right thing to do if there was real concern over forbidding the use of torture, you won't see anyone actually taking that step, ever.
Example: a useful way to bring any accusations that torture was committed by the US is to simply ask the question, "How do you define torture?" This will bring the discussion to a screeching halt, because there is no definition that is even a little bit useful that fits most of the acts committed, or that doesn't lead immediately to the conclusion that holding prisoners at all is permissible.
So, to the Dems: put up, or shut up. If you're really serious about this issue, it's up to you to define and implement procedures and laws for unambiguously recognizing and punishing it when it occurs. Let's see you shut your yaps and do some actual work, for a change.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:15:37am |
Well, there's something you don't see everyday. 2 priests arguing about the ones speech at ND today.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:15:47am |
re: #437 haakondahl
A gamillion Thank-Yous! How's your day going?
Oops! Posted too soon.
How's your day going? What's spring like where you are?
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:16:27am |
re: #438 _RememberTonyC
The Sox (pronounced "Sawx" by Bostonians) are New England's passion. Red Sox fans booed john f'n kerry when he threw out the first pitch before a game a few years ago. It was a classic moment.
I wonder if it hurt his pwecious feewings.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:16:47am |
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:17:12am |
re: #447 MandyManners
I think you are correct. Amazing how many of the radicals ended up teaching at our universities. What a great place to poison young minds.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 8:17:41am |
re: #430 pingjockey
Good morning ping! How's things going for ya today?
How much progress didja make on your "honey-do" list yesterday?!
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:17:52am |
re: #450 realwest
I think a Schilling is a few ha'penny's but don't know British monetary terms all that well!
Brilliant!
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 17, 2009 8:18:03am |
re: #454 MandyManners
I wonder if it hurt his pwecious feewings.
Permit me to (sort of) quote you on this topic:
"FUCK HIM and that witch he married."
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:18:47am |
re: #451 SixDegrees
I watched G.I. Jane on TNT last night and saw what I think was water-boarding in SERE school.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 8:19:02am |
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:19:11am |
re: #457 realwest
Just about got it whupped. Sent the older two boys up to my dads, (granpas) and he put them to work! Heh.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:19:48am |
re: #456 pingjockey
I think you are correct. Amazing how many of the radicals ended up teaching at our universities. What a great place to poison young minds.
Gramscian Whoredom!
I just read her Wiki entry and saw that she supports demolishing the penal system. Isn't that one of Ayers' positions?
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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 17, 2009 8:19:49am |
the sun is finally trying to peek out of the clouds here in greater hartford. Time for a walk ... will check in later.
Go Celtics!
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:20:29am |
re: #459 _RememberTonyC
Permit me to (sort of) quote you on this topic:
"FUCK HIM and that witch he married."
I wonder if they have a pre-nup?
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 8:20:55am |
re: #464 _RememberTonyC
the sun is finally trying to peek out of the clouds here in greater hartford. Time for a walk ... will check in later.
Go AWAY Celtics!
/just kidding, but I could not resist
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:21:02am |
re: #460 MandyManners
SERE school does all manner of nasty shit. On purpose. It is survival school for the spec ops and pilots. Survival, escape, resistance(?) evasion.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:21:13am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 8:21:35am |
re: #452 pingjockey
Well, there's something you don't see everyday. 2 priests arguing about the ones speech at ND today.
Why? Priests I have known through my 55 years as a catholic have always had diverse viewpoints on many subjects!
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:21:52am |
re: #467 pingjockey
SERE school does all manner of nasty shit. On purpose. It is survival school for the spec ops and pilots. Survival, escape, resistance(?) evasion.
I dated a few guys in college who went through that. I married one, too.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 8:22:15am |
re: #463 MandyManners
Gramscian Whoredom!
I just read her Wiki entry and saw that she supports demolishing the penal system. Isn't that one of Ayers' positions?
How can you just abolish the penal system? That's insanity.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 8:22:16am |
re: #469 MandyManners
Didn't the Brits do away with that system?
Yes, there are probably a few circulation still. If you have a schilling in your hand now, it's worth 20p (100p = a pound)
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:22:20am |
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:22:22am |
re: #463 MandyManners
Would not surprise me a bit. Mitch McConnel on C. Wallace show now talking about al the Gitmo, torture, etc...
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Vicious Babushka Sun, May 17, 2009 8:22:41am |
re: #463 MandyManners
Gramscian Whoredom!
I just read her Wiki entry and saw that she supports demolishing the penal system. Isn't that one of Ayers' positions?
They do not support demolishing the penal system. They wish to keep it in place for enemies of the state, once room has been made by releasing all the criminals.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 8:22:54am |
re: #469 MandyManners
Didn't the Brits do away with that system?
It's there "quarter" or was at least
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:23:04am |
re: #473 vxbush
How can you just abolish the penal system? That's insanity.
Can you imagine society if we didn't lock up those who think nothing of committing crimes?
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 8:23:16am |
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:23:36am |
re: #465 MandyManners
I'll just bet they do. She is worth a lot of cash. He's just a lyin' frakkin traitorous son of a bitch.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, May 17, 2009 8:23:58am |
re: #478 Desert Dog
It's there "quarter" or was at least
I thought a "shilling" was "five pence" or the equivalent of a nickel.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 8:24:03am |
BBIAB
I hate when I am at work on Sunday and actually have to ,,,well,,,, WORK!
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 8:24:26am |
re: #479 MandyManners
Can you imagine society if we didn't lock up those who think nothing of committing crimes?
Well, we just all hold hands and sing Kumbaya rather than rob and kill each other. Isn't that the way it's suppose to work in Utopia?
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Killgore Trout Sun, May 17, 2009 8:24:35am |
Irony update: Anti-science Mother who refused medical help for her child gets a visit from paramedics.....
DA: Girl Whose Parents Prayed to Defeat Illness Suffered 'Needless' Death
A Weston woman, accused of praying instead of seeking medical attention for her dying daughter, suffered a medical emergency as her homicide trial got under way but appeared OK about 30 minutes later.
.....
Prosecutors had begun laying out their case against Leilani Neumann, 41, on Saturday morning. About 20 minutes in to their opening statement, as they described the girl's condition the day before she died, Neumann put her head in her arms on the table.Moments later her attorneys expressed concern, asking for a recess so they could get her some air. She appeared visibly weak as her husband and others escorted her from the courtroom to a downstairs office.
Judge Vincent Howard ordered court security to call 911 and have Neumann medically evaluated.
While she was being examined by paramedics in the office, her defense attorney, Gene Linehan, told the judge Neumann was suffering a total physical and emotional breakdown.
.....
About 30 minutes later Neumann was brought back to the courtroom in a wheelchair. Her attorney indicated she was going to be OK.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 8:24:37am |
re: #432 reine.de.tout
Whoa, great link there reine! But I have a serious question. As per your link: "In 2003, they reported almost $24,000 in child care expenses and, in 2004, about $23,000. They also paid about $3,400 in household employment taxes each year."
I honestly didn't know you could deduct either "child care expenses" (whatever they are according to the IRS) nor "household employment taxes" - what on earth would that be? You hire a housecleaner or whatever, and deduct her/his expense? Or is it the taxes (mostly I'd guess social security/Medicare) you pay on her/his salary that you can deduct?
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 8:24:59am |
re: #475 MandyManners
Feel better?
The lips do. The brain and body don't.
I'm watching Amazing Grace with the son. I find it interesting to compare the very active social action that Wilberforce espoused with the gospel that is often preached today to have a relationship that seems to result in little else. Oh, not everyone preaches like that or believes like that, but some do.
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MacDuff Sun, May 17, 2009 8:25:07am |
re: #479 MandyManners
Can you imagine society if we didn't lock up those who think nothing of committing crimes?
Geez. It would be like a big Congress!
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 8:25:39am |
re: #479 MandyManners
Can you imagine society if we didn't lock up those who think nothing of committing crimes?
They would have no reason to stop. There would be no penalty for crime. That's simply crazy.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 8:25:46am |
re: #487 realwest
the taxes (mostly I'd guess social security/Medicare) you pay on her/his salary that you can deduct?
Thats the one
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 8:26:21am |
re: #463 MandyManners
Gramscian Whoredom!
I just read her Wiki entry and saw that she supports demolishing the penal system. Isn't that one of Ayers' positions?
Yup. Part of Alinsky's "chaos theory" too.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 8:27:33am |
re: #483 Alouette
I thought a "shilling" was "five pence" or the equivalent of a nickel.
I lived there in the 80's, back then it was 20p. I got one in change one day and ask the chap what it was. He told me about the old system they used with pence, schilling and pounds. I think at that time it was 20 schillings per pound.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:27:44am |
re: #489 vxbush
I had to look up Wilberforce. The name showed up in a David Weber sci-fi series I was reading.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 8:28:50am |
re: #497 pingjockey
I had to look up Wilberforce. The name showed up in a David Weber sci-fi series I was reading.
I find him fascinating. I read his book on Christianity (slightly updated language, but faithful to the original) and found it an interesting read.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:31:23am |
re: #498 vxbush
It's in the furure and there is a company that makes 'genetic' slaves. The anti-slavery folks had named their ships...John Brown, Pottawatomie Creek, Harpers Ferry, and Wilberforce. Knew the 1st 4 of course, not the last.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 8:31:28am |
re: #435 MacDuff
"The NFL and the NBA has allowed this trend to continue in the pursuit of money. It's time that they took a stand, and continue to take a stand against the anti-social behavior that it becoming all too prevalent among these over paid thugs.
End their careers. Period."
Amen - but with a caveat - depends on what anti-social behavior you're talkng about. Some folks think it's "anti-social" for people to get tatoo's or for young, healthy atheletes to go to "Gentleman's Clubs" and that's just unrealistic. But shooting people (including yourself, see, e.g., Plaxico Burress) or gambling or raising dogs to kill other dogs for fun and profit are definitely anti-social behaviors as is use of illegal drugs and continued over-indulgence in alcohol.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 8:32:27am |
re: #438 _RememberTonyC
I'll bet Kerry couldn't get it to home plate!
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 8:34:30am |
re: #501 realwest
I'll bet Kerry couldn't get it to home plate!
I think his wife said something to that affect too. ;)
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gmsc Sun, May 17, 2009 8:35:24am |
From TJIC:
you’ve only to pay ‘em the Dane-geld, And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/magazi…
What are your thoughts about parents who feel only they have the right to name a new baby? We recently were told the name of our grandchild-to-be, and we aren’t fans of either the male or female name. The parents said it is their child and it isn’t our business. We’ve been supportive of them for many years — not just financially, although we have provided a tremendous amount of monetary help, much more so than the other side of the family, whose input was part of the naming process. We are hurt and wondering what to do. M.R. / Bedford
Since college graduation I haven’t accepted any financial help from any relatives, and I’m damned glad of that.
Thank goodness I don’t have any lunatics like “M.R.” in my family … and here’s hoping that I never get any.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:36:01am |
re: #500 realwest
It has totally got out of hand, the drugs, guns, dog fighting, etc...are just ridicoulus.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, May 17, 2009 8:36:08am |
re: #496 Desert Dog
I lived there in the 80's, back then it was 20p. I got one in change one day and ask the chap what it was. He told me about the old system they used with pence, schilling and pounds. I think at that time it was 20 schillings per pound.
How many pence per pound? If it's 100 pence per pound, then a shilling is the equivalent of a nickel. But I could be making a wrong assumption, and there is a different number of pence per pound.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:36:16am |
re: #486 Killgore Trout
Irony update: Anti-science Mother who refused medical help for her child gets a visit from paramedics.....
DA: Girl Whose Parents Prayed to Defeat Illness Suffered 'Needless' Death
While she was being examined by paramedics in the office, her defense attorney, Gene Linehan, told the judge Neumann was suffering a total physical and emotional breakdown.
Boo-fucking-hoo.
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yankeebaseball Sun, May 17, 2009 8:36:21am |
90% of baseball is 50% mental.
Just the looks on kids faces at the LL when you tell them that is priceless.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:37:17am |
Brit Hume now ripping Madame Blinky a new rear end. Hadn't heard about Panetta slapping her idiot ass down either!
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:37:22am |
re: #489 vxbush
The lips do. The brain and body don't.
I'm watching Amazing Grace with the son. I find it interesting to compare the very active social action that Wilberforce espoused with the gospel that is often preached today to have a relationship that seems to result in little else. Oh, not everyone preaches like that or believes like that, but some do.
I've never heard of that one.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:38:09am |
re: #490 MacDuff
Geez. It would be like a big Congress!
Who are the ultimate whores in O'Rourke's Parliament of Whores?
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:38:14am |
re: #508 MandyManners
Terribly sorry. Hope you are well away from that person.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:38:56am |
re: #492 vxbush
They would have no reason to stop. There would be no penalty for crime. That's simply crazy.
I'd hafta' move to my cave.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 8:39:04am |
re: #456 pingjockey
Indeed and it's not by chance. See Billy Ayers - he ultimately took the long view of how to bring down America and became a poo-bah in American Education and is - even today - spewing his Hate America crap not just by himself, but in Public school curricula, textbooks and the like ( just check him out on Wiki or for a fuller view, google him).
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 8:39:23am |
re: #509 pingjockey
Brit Hume now ripping Madame Blinky a new rear end. Hadn't heard about Panetta slapping her idiot ass down either!
I thought she was "spending time with her family" and not appearing on any shows today.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:39:35am |
re: #494 Soona'
Yup. Part of Alinsky's "chaos theory" too.
I bet he has enough money to have his own security force if he needs one.
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 8:39:45am |
re: #501 realwest
I'll bet Kerry couldn't get it to home plate!
So you're saying Kerry couldn't get it up, huh ?
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:41:01am |
re: #514 realwest
Ayers and his ilk may me itch to get them into a small room and 'clue' them in.
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MacDuff Sun, May 17, 2009 8:41:21am |
re: #500 realwest
"The NFL and the NBA has allowed this trend to continue in the pursuit of money. It's time that they took a stand, and continue to take a stand against the anti-social behavior that it becoming all too prevalent among these over paid thugs.
End their careers. Period."
Amen - but with a caveat - depends on what anti-social behavior you're talkng about. Some folks think it's "anti-social" for people to get tatoo's or for young, healthy atheletes to go to "Gentleman's Clubs" and that's just unrealistic. But shooting people (including yourself, see, e.g., Plaxico Burress) or gambling or raising dogs to kill other dogs for fun and profit are definitely anti-social behaviors as is use of illegal drugs and continued over-indulgence in alcohol.
Agreed. The anti-social behavior of which I was speaking was the rapes, shootings and, of course in Vick's case, animal abuse.
Will I, personally, find the tatoos a bit off-putting, I realize that it's just a fad with young people that doesn't necessarily indicate an anti-social mindset. They'll likely regret it later in life, but that's just part of growing up. :)
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:41:59am |
re: #515 Soona'
She isn't on C. Wallaces show, it's the panel. Talking about this memo uproar.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:42:46am |
re: #486 Killgore Trout
Irony update: Anti-science Mother who refused medical help for her child gets a visit from paramedics.....
DA: Girl Whose Parents Prayed to Defeat Illness Suffered 'Needless' Death
The parents told investigators Madeline had not been to a doctor since she was 3.
Anti-vaxxers?
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 8:44:17am |
re: #493 sattv4u2
Thanks! But what about the 24k and 23k expenses?
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:44:19am |
re: #512 pingjockey
Terribly sorry. Hope you are well away from that person.
It took just $85,000.00 in legal fees to do it.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:44:21am |
re: #522 MandyManners
IIRC, the little girl was diabetic.
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itellu3times Sun, May 17, 2009 8:44:26am |
Turned on the Stephanopolous show, but really can't watch it. All about torture, Guantanamo, Pelosi.
So, the issue is that the Democrats want to lock up the Republicans from the previous administration, and are more interested in preening and parading their own moral virtue, than about actually pursuing any kind of policies at all. Their foreign policy is, "Don't worry, be happy!". Pelosi is lying through her capped and whitened teeth.
Who wants to debate this for an hour?
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MacDuff Sun, May 17, 2009 8:44:36am |
re: #511 MandyManners
Who are the ultimate whores in O'Rourke's Parliament of Whores?
Exactly. I loved reading PJ, I would literally laugh out loud.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:46:24am |
re: #526 itellu3times
I do get a hoot out of seeing Madame Blinky smacked around like a pinata!
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ladycatnip Sun, May 17, 2009 8:46:52am |
It's so nice to start the day by laughing, so I'm passing this along:
Newsbusters has a piece on Obama's misuse of the English language and then of his arrogance in referring to the WH as "my house" - one of the posters "bondplainbond" said this of the One:
He lives vicariously through himself.
Well said. Now I'm off to church.
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Canoe Train Sun, May 17, 2009 8:47:00am |
re: #380 bbuddha
One could also make the same criticism when the roles are reversed, too. All too many young folks think the members of the opposite gender are not worthy of them.
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VegasRick Sun, May 17, 2009 8:48:22am |
re: #531 pingjockey
I do get a hoot out of seeing Madame Blinky smacked around like a pinata!
She won't be able to go hide in the bunker, Biden told everybody about it.
Asshole.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 8:48:33am |
re: #504 pingjockey
Yep - and where are the Pete Rozells who - at least early in his career, recognized the impact pro-football players had on young male minds and was strict as all get out about pro-players off field behavior?
Oh, wait, that's about when the Player's Union came about, isn't it? The one that refused to do anything to help those pro's who came before them, got pro-football the status it now has - including about half of the Hall of Fame players?
Ah yes, Unions. Such a wonderful thing these days.
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avanti Sun, May 17, 2009 8:48:59am |
re: #526 itellu3times
Pelosi is lying through her capped and whitened teeth.
Who wants to debate this for an hour?
I'll give her 30 seconds. She's a idiot, and the poster girl for a left wing loon. If BHO managed to toss here under the bus, it would be the next best thing to him getting world peace.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 8:49:14am |
re: #516 MandyManners
I bet he has enough money to have his own security force if he needs one.
I don't know why he would need one. His name is never mentioned by the MFMSM. Other than the blogs, there's not anything being discussed about the upcoming further subterfuge of the US through our education system. I have the feeling that we ain't seen nothin' yet, as far as anti-American teaching in our public schools is concerned.
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MandyManners Sun, May 17, 2009 8:50:04am |
re: #525 pingjockey
IIRC, the little girl was diabetic.
The mother has said that she thought the child was under "spiritual attack".
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:50:20am |
re: #535 realwest
I'm hoping when the NFLPA comes to the table in 2010 for a new CBA they put in a rookie salary cap.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 8:50:51am |
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:51:28am |
re: #538 MandyManners
I do NOT understand these people. If God made everything, including doctors why don't they use them?
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 8:52:54am |
Yes Doctor, we'd like a blond haired, blue eyed, disease resistant, above average intelligence, with a physique geared towards sports please...
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 8:55:18am |
re: #519 pingjockey
Ayers and his ilk may me itch to get them into a small room and 'clue' them in.
I've felt that way about Billy boy Ayers and his ever so charming wife Bernadine Dhorn since I first heard about 'em. Just love those cowards for "revolution!" - planting bombs - high explosive content and nails and other metal shrapnel and then running away so they don't even have to SEE the results of their "armed revolution" was always revolting to me. Even in my current condition I can guaranty that in a small,windowless room - locked from the outside, me and Billy - well I'd walk out.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 8:56:11am |
re: #544 Desert Dog
Yes Doctor, we'd like a blond haired, blue eyed, disease resistant, above average intelligence, with a physique geared towards sports please...
Don't I recall hearing when this procedure was first developed that they said we would never do genetic testing on the embryos except for the most awful of diseases?
I can appreciate the desire to want to avoid your child having to deal with horrible illness, but most people don't get that option. And I don't like the idea that someone's life isn't worth living because they have a particular genetic code.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:56:51am |
re: #546 realwest
Those folks are all soooo brave in the pursuitof their goals. Goddamn bastards.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 8:58:00am |
re: #544 Desert Dog
Yes Doctor, we'd like a blond haired, blue eyed, disease resistant, above average intelligence, with a physique geared towards sports please...
DOCTOR: Would you like give him a large penis also?
PROGRESSIVE COUPLE: Oh no, doctor. That would make him way too aggressive toward women. And we want him to have only one testicle, if that's possible.
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Afrocity Sun, May 17, 2009 8:58:22am |
Good morning, many of you have asked me if my stance on abortion has changed since I have began a Republican. There answer is No and is explained in my blog today which talks about my upbringing and my mother's rape and subsequent pregnancy. Click my nick to read.
There is so much in the news today about abortion and with Obama speaking at Notre Dame, I thought it was fitting.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 17, 2009 8:58:50am |
re: #542 pingjockey
I do NOT understand these people. If God made everything, including doctors why don't they use them?
I a large sense, these people have a larger faith than the common pew sitter, and they fully believe that the examples of healing in the scripture are available to them.
I've always been confused by how some believers can be so amazed at this kind of action, considering it probably takes the most profound faith in the god of scripture.
I don't agree with it, but I certainly understand it.
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Canoe Train Sun, May 17, 2009 8:58:56am |
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 8:59:08am |
The lady running the Smithsonian, gave away 25 billion of Bill Gates' money! She used to run his foundation.
BBL, laundry time.
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MacDuff Sun, May 17, 2009 9:01:01am |
re: #544 Desert Dog
Yes Doctor, we'd like a blond haired, blue eyed, disease resistant, above average intelligence, with a physique geared towards sports please...
The word "Eugenics" tends to creep me out. Using medical technology to cure diseases or correct pre-natal conditions is one thing. Using it to create "designer babies" is quite another.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 9:01:04am |
re: #547 vxbush
Don't I recall hearing when this procedure was first developed that they said we would never do genetic testing on the embryos except for the most awful of diseases?
I can appreciate the desire to want to avoid your child having to deal with horrible illness, but most people don't get that option. And I don't like the idea that someone's life isn't worth living because they have a particular genetic code.
It is a slippery slope. Once we go down this path, it will have a good side and a bad side. I would say we are heading towards a genetically engineered society in the future. Many diseases will go away which is good, but it still seems creepy to me about picking other things.
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pingjockey Sun, May 17, 2009 9:01:21am |
re: #551 Walter L. Newton
Walter I don not understand and most certainly do not agree. But as you say they believe, strongly. It is too bad the kids have to pay the price.
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callahan23 Sun, May 17, 2009 9:01:33am |
re: #546 realwest
Like with all crooks, criminals and psychos as long as they don't know what is gonna happen to them, right after capture? They are the worst kind of wimps.
For reference look up the capture of Ernesto Guévara.
{realwest} I hope today finds you well.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 9:02:08am |
re: #551 Walter L. Newton
I a large sense, these people have a larger faith than the common pew sitter, and they fully believe that the examples of healing in the scripture are available to them.
I've always been confused by how some believers can be so amazed at this kind of action, considering it probably takes the most profound faith in the god of scripture.
I don't agree with it, but I certainly understand it.
I have had friends who have had cancer picked up on blood tests and MRIs who prayed deligently, believed it would go away, and it did. But they never ever put their children at risk, and they themselves did not avoid the idea of chemotherapy, surgery, or radiation if their prayers didn't work. They understood that G-d can work through such tragedies as illness.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 9:03:24am |
re: #555 Desert Dog
It is a slippery slope. Once we go down this path, it will have a good side and a bad side. I would say we are heading towards a genetically engineered society in the future. Many diseases will go away which is good, but it still seems creepy to me about picking other things.
We used to accept that only G-d could control what child would be born and what genetic code s/he would have. I do not think we have enough wisdom in our entire species to make these decisions ourselves. It is very scary indeed.
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avanti Sun, May 17, 2009 9:04:35am |
re: #547 vxbush
And I don't like the idea that someone's life isn't worth living because they have a particular genetic code.
They discard normal embryo's all the time as does mother nature, so we are not talking about "someone", but a potential someone.
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VegasRick Sun, May 17, 2009 9:04:51am |
re: #558 vxbush
I have had friends who have had cancer picked up on blood tests and MRIs who prayed deligently, believed it would go away, and it did. But they never ever put their children at risk, and they themselves did not avoid the idea of chemotherapy, surgery, or radiation if their prayers didn't work. They understood that G-d can work through such tragedies as illness.
I know a lot of faithful folks that pray for these type of procedures to work.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 9:05:28am |
re: #560 vxbush
We used to accept that only G-d could control what child would be born and what genetic code s/he would have. I do not think we have enough wisdom in our entire species to make these decisions ourselves. It is very scary indeed.
I think it's the first step in cloning 260,000,000 little Obama's.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 9:05:46am |
re: #561 avanti
They discard normal embryo's all the time as does mother nature, so we are not talking about "someone", but a potential someone.
Not always. Some of those embryos are adopted, implanted, and are born. If mother nature does it, we are not in a position to prevent it--at least, not in the earliest stages.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 9:06:08am |
re: #550 Afrocity
Good morning Afrocity! How are you today?
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Afrocity Sun, May 17, 2009 9:06:24am |
re: #563 Soona'
I think it's the first step in cloning 260,000,000 little Obama's.
That will give me nightmares for years.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 9:06:40am |
re: #562 VegasRick
I know a lot of faithful folks that pray for these type of procedures to work.
Exactly. I have several names on my prayer lists right now who are praying that these procedures would work to remove their cancers.
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Afrocity Sun, May 17, 2009 9:07:18am |
re: #565 realwest
Great Realwest how are you. I am about to make some buttermilk biscuits and corned beef hash.
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Canoe Train Sun, May 17, 2009 9:07:31am |
re: #560 vxbush
I regret that I have only one up ding to give to this comment. It is the absolute Zenith of conceit and arrogance that couples can consider doing these sorts of things.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 9:07:42am |
re: #560 vxbush
We used to accept that only G-d could control what child would be born and what genetic code s/he would have. I do not think we have enough wisdom in our entire species to make these decisions ourselves. It is very scary indeed.
Once we unraveled the genome, we have basically set ourselves up as the new God. We can build, repair, whatever we want on a genetic level. That means no more cancer or birth defects or other ailments that have cursed us since time began. But, it will also mean children in the future will get an artificial boost in evolution. We will be able to create taller, leaner, smarter, healthier, "better" children with our new found technology. That scares the hell out of me, it sounds like a sci fi movie, but it's what is coming if we like it or not.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 9:07:55am |
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 17, 2009 9:08:55am |
re: #556 pingjockey
re: #558 vxbush
First off, I in no way agree with this mother stance, or in any person who turns to their faith over medical science.
But, on the purely theological side of things, this sort of action is the ultimate test of faith, and people like this woman are displaying more faith in g-d than most Sunday christians.
How can you deny her that faith and belief?
If you are a believer, I suspect your flavor of christianity (or what ever you spiritual brand is), has certain beliefs based on you faith, and you try to act on those beliefs on a daily basic.
You believe promises that you have read in scripture, you practice certain rituals because you have faith that they are meaningful and good and you look forward to many rewards.
Well, so did this woman, in a much more intense way than most religionist I know. Yet we damn her for her faith.
I don't understand.
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avanti Sun, May 17, 2009 9:08:58am |
re: #555 Desert Dog
It is a slippery slope. Once we go down this path, it will have a good side and a bad side. I would say we are heading towards a genetically engineered society in the future. Many diseases will go away which is good, but it still seems creepy to me about picking other things.
Once they start actually doing start doing genetic engineering, that will be the slippery slope. Parents will order their kids with options like they would order a new car.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 9:09:14am |
re: #571 Desert Dog
Once we unraveled the genome, we have basically set ourselves up as the new God. We can build, repair, whatever we want on a genetic level. That means no more cancer or birth defects or other ailments that have cursed us since time began. But, it will also mean children in the future will get an artificial boost in evolution. We will be able to create taller, leaner, smarter, healthier, "better" children with our new found technology. That scares the hell out of me, it sounds like a sci fi movie, but it's what is coming if we like it or not.
As it should. Bush had a bioethics council, did he not? Has that been retained by Obama? Does anyone know? I'm going to Google it and see if I can find out....
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 9:10:05am |
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itellu3times Sun, May 17, 2009 9:10:59am |
re: #571 Desert Dog
Once we unraveled the genome, we have basically set ourselves up as the new God. We can build, repair, whatever we want on a genetic level. That means no more cancer or birth defects or other ailments that have cursed us since time began. But, it will also mean children in the future will get an artificial boost in evolution. We will be able to create taller, leaner, smarter, healthier, "better" children with our new found technology. That scares the hell out of me, it sounds like a sci fi movie, but it's what is coming if we like it or not.
Why is that scary?
Would you really prefer shorter, fatter, dumber, sicker children?
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VegasRick Sun, May 17, 2009 9:11:05am |
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Afrocity Sun, May 17, 2009 9:11:49am |
re: #576 Soona'
But think of the future teleprompter sales.
...and the the increase of Portuguese Water Dog registrations.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 17, 2009 9:11:52am |
re: #573 Walter L. Newton
re: #558 vxbush
First off, I in no way agree with this mother stance, or in any person who turns to their faith over medical science.
But, on the purely theological side of things, this sort of action is the ultimate test of faith, and people like this woman are displaying more faith in g-d than most Sunday christians.
. . .
Well, so did this woman, in a much more intense way than most religionist I know. Yet we damn her for her faith.
I don't understand.
Walter, for me, it isn't that I wish to "damn" her for her faith.
It's that I believe she is showing a lack of faith, in that in refusing to seek medical treatment for her child, she is exhibiting a lack of trust in what God has provided us through the intelligence He gives us, and that is, medical science and the ability to control disease.
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 9:12:00am |
re: #575 vxbush
As it should. Bush had a bioethics council, did he not? Has that been retained by Obama? Does anyone know? I'm going to Google it and see if I can find out....
Well, if the USA does not do it, someone else will. Think Russia will stand around and not start making super babies? Korea? China? the Islamic world? This is starting to sound like that movie Gattaca
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VegasRick Sun, May 17, 2009 9:12:01am |
re: #577 itellu3times
Why is that scary?
Would you really prefer shorter, fatter, dumber, sicker children?
You're joking? Right?
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avanti Sun, May 17, 2009 9:12:30am |
re: #564 vxbush
Not always. Some of those embryos are adopted, implanted, and are born. If mother nature does it, we are not in a position to prevent it--at least, not in the earliest stages.
I happened on those statistics, 10-15 % are adopted, 80% discarded, a few saved for stem cell research. Most fertility clinics will only store excess embryos for a year or two, then the couple must decide.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 9:12:52am |
re: #557 callahan23
Hi {callahan23}! I hope you're well today! And I don't have to look up Che - I've read all about his life and heard about his capture from two of the American Special Forces ("Green Berets") who were part of the 12 man "A" team that actually caught and arrested Che, alive , to know he was VASTLY different than Ayers. Che was a revolting, psychopath, but he was not a coward. Not even close to one. Hell, if Billy Ayers coulda STOOD NEXT to Che, I'm quite certain Ayers woulda had an orgasm.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 9:12:56am |
re: #577 itellu3times
Why is that scary?
Would you really prefer shorter, fatter, dumber, sicker children?
But who would the bullies push around and make fun of?
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Desert Dog Sun, May 17, 2009 9:13:00am |
re: #577 itellu3times
Why is that scary?
Would you really prefer shorter, fatter, dumber, sicker children?
No, there is a good side to this, no doubt. The ability to eliminate diseases is awesome. But, are you ready for the future like this? It does not give you any pause at all?
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 9:13:10am |
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 9:13:16am |
re: #573 Walter L. Newton
re: #558 vxbush
First off, I in no way agree with this mother stance, or in any person who turns to their faith over medical science.
But, on the purely theological side of things, this sort of action is the ultimate test of faith, and people like this woman are displaying more faith in g-d than most Sunday christians.
How can you deny her that faith and belief?
If you are a believer, I suspect your flavor of christianity (or what ever you spiritual brand is), has certain beliefs based on you faith, and you try to act on those beliefs on a daily basic.
You believe promises that you have read in scripture, you practice certain rituals because you have faith that they are meaningful and good and you look forward to many rewards.
Well, so did this woman, in a much more intense way than most religionist I know. Yet we damn her for her faith.
I don't understand.
That's because I'm better at writing equations than prose. I can't seem to get all my thoughts down.
I don't begrudge her her beliefs, or her faith, for herself. That is between her and G-d. But I do have some problem with her belief as it damages another human.
As I'm watching this movie about Wilberforce, let me remind you that many Christians of that period thought slavery was perfectly acceptable, as it was listed in the Scriptures and never denounced. And yet that acceptance of slavery led to many other human beings being hurt, damaged, and killed.
I have no desire to judge her, but I do grieve for the death of the daughter.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 9:14:39am |
re: #561 avanti
Who discards " normal embryo's all the time"?
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 9:14:55am |
re: #577 itellu3times
Why is that scary?
Would you really prefer shorter, fatter, dumber, sicker children?
My old foggy brain seems to recall someone in the past, oh say 70 years or so that envisioned a "super race" of poeple,,
Now ,, who was that ,,, hmmm,,,,!
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Canoe Train Sun, May 17, 2009 9:15:05am |
this sort of discussion reminds me of those of the most vain and conceited folks in town, complaining that they were not winning the game, despite having been born halfway between Third and Home Bases.
It also reminds me of being in high school, where even the none too pretty girls would complain amongst themselves when the power forward for the hockey team would ask out someone else.
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VegasRick Sun, May 17, 2009 9:15:33am |
re: #587 sattv4u2
Doctor Mengele, is that you?
// (sorta)
All babies should be born with John Bolton's mustache though, that part I would agree with.
/
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 9:15:49am |
re: #580 reine.de.tout
Walter, for me, it isn't that I wish to "damn" her for her faith.
It's that I believe she is showing a lack of faith, in that in refusing to seek medical treatment for her child, she is exhibiting a lack of trust in what God has provided us through the intelligence He gives us, and that is, medical science and the ability to control disease.
And this, too. Major upding.
What's that joke about the guy stuck on a roof waiting for God to save him and he ignores the first boat, the second boat, and the helicopter?
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sattv4u2 Sun, May 17, 2009 9:16:02am |
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Sun, May 17, 2009 9:16:35am |
re: #594 sattv4u2
Also an animal lover.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 9:16:36am |
re: #579 Afrocity
...and the the increase of Portuguese Water Dog registrations.
Yeah. There's going to be some O-clones that will really become rich. Wait a minute. There's something wrong with that statement.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 17, 2009 9:16:37am |
re: #580 reine.de.tout
Walter, for me, it isn't that I wish to "damn" her for her faith.
It's that I believe she is showing a lack of faith, in that in refusing to seek medical treatment for her child, she is exhibiting a lack of trust in what God has provided us through the intelligence He gives us, and that is, medical science and the ability to control disease.
What lack of faith. This woman see nothing in the scripture that talks of doctors and medical science. This woman read material by her church that tells her to trust g-d for healing, and then this woman puts all of her faith in those things she has read, been told, ben taught, and you tell me she has a lack of faith.
No she doesn't. You just don't agree with her faith or her beliefs or the flavor of christianity she follows. So, you judge her in a way that you would NEVER judge another christian.
I suspect she is not really a christian. (That last sentence is major sarcasm)///
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VegasRick Sun, May 17, 2009 9:16:49am |
re: #593 vxbush
And this, too. Major upding.
What's that joke about the guy stuck on a roof waiting for God to save him and he ignores the first boat, the second boat, and the helicopter?
Who do you think sent them!
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itellu3times Sun, May 17, 2009 9:17:05am |
re: #586 Desert Dog
No, there is a good side to this, no doubt. The ability to eliminate diseases is awesome. But, are you ready for the future like this? It does not give you any pause at all?
That's about what the caveman Ogg said to the caveman Mogg, discussing fire.
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MacDuff Sun, May 17, 2009 9:17:55am |
re: #571 Desert Dog
Once we unraveled the genome, we have basically set ourselves up as the new God. We can build, repair, whatever we want on a genetic level. That means no more cancer or birth defects or other ailments that have cursed us since time began. But, it will also mean children in the future will get an artificial boost in evolution. We will be able to create taller, leaner, smarter, healthier, "better" children with our new found technology. That scares the hell out of me, it sounds like a sci fi movie, but it's what is coming if we like it or not.
Science discarding morality is just as perilous as morality discarding science. We can make the "brave new world" a paradise or a living hell, depending upon how we use it.
There are lines that we should not cross, but they are largely invisible. That's where medical ethics and some sense of moral judgment come into play as it is ethics and morals that make these lines visible. Alas, morality and judgment tend to be seen as subjective and therein lies the dilemma.
Bottom line; it scares the hell out of me as well.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 9:18:15am |
re: #569 Afrocity
"buttermilk biscuits and corned beef hash." Oh yum! What's your address again (he asks, frantically looking through his airline guide to flights to Chicago from Charlotte!)?
:)
I'm doing ok thanks, but it's wet,rainy and getting colder by the hour!
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 17, 2009 9:19:10am |
re: #598 Walter L. Newton
What lack of faith. This woman see nothing in the scripture that talks of doctors and medical science. This woman read material by her church that tells her to trust g-d for healing, and then this woman puts all of her faith in those things she has read, been told, ben taught, and you tell me she has a lack of faith.
No she doesn't. You just don't agree with her faith or her beliefs or the flavor of christianity she follows. So, you judge her in a way that you would NEVER judge another christian.
I suspect she is not really a christian. (That last sentence is major sarcasm)///
Well, no, of course if she says she is a Christian, then she is.
I've never made that argument, Walter, so it's unfair to "sarc" in a response to me.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 9:20:08am |
re: #571 Desert Dog
Indeed, the fact that we will be able to engineer those "people" doesn't mean that we should.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 17, 2009 9:20:13am |
re: #604 reine.de.tout
Well, no, of course if she says she is a Christian, then she is.
I've never made that argument, Walter, so it's unfair to "sarc" in a response to me.
It's unfair that you ignored the rest of my comment.
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avanti Sun, May 17, 2009 9:20:14am |
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 9:20:22am |
re: #592 VegasRick
All babies should be born with John Bolton's mustache though, that part I would agree with.
/
Girls too?
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 9:20:22am |
Okay, the Bioethics council still exists, but it seems to be meeting less often than before.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 17, 2009 9:20:46am |
re: #604 reine.de.tout
Well, no, of course if she says she is a Christian, then she is.
I've never made that argument, Walter, so it's unfair to "sarc" in a response to me.
Walter, you asked for an explanation and I gave you one.
You don't like it, so be it, I don't care.
But don't "accuse" me of making arguments I never made.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 17, 2009 9:21:36am |
re: #606 Walter L. Newton
It's unfair that you ignored the rest of my comment.
OK.
You disagree with me, and don't like my response.
So what? My response is what it is.
I have nothing else to say.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 9:22:15am |
re: #577 itellu3times
It's scary for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is the question of WHO would get to set the parameters for that "engineering".
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 17, 2009 9:22:21am |
re: #610 reine.de.tout
Walter, you asked for an explanation and I gave you one.
You don't like it, so be it, I don't care.
But don't "accuse" me of making arguments I never made.
Sorry, the "sarc" was a general sarcasm, really not meant directly at you. But it was meant for some others here.
Really didn't mean to address that at you at all.
But, I still would like a rebuttal to the rest of my statement.
Here faith is not lacking, it is stronger than most people's.
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debutaunt Sun, May 17, 2009 9:23:00am |
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avanti Sun, May 17, 2009 9:23:20am |
re: #589 realwest
Who discards " normal embryo's all the time"?
Fertility clinics discard excess emryos's.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 9:23:27am |
re: #600 itellu3times
That's about what the caveman Ogg said to the caveman Mogg, discussing fire.
And you see where fire got us. Power to the Moggs!
//moonbat off
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 17, 2009 9:24:01am |
re: #613 Walter L. Newton
Sorry, the "sarc" was a general sarcasm, really not meant directly at you. But it was meant for some others here.
Really didn't mean to address that at you at all.
But, I still would like a rebuttal to the rest of my statement.
Here faith is not lacking, it is stronger than most people's.
I have no rebuttal.
I told you what I think, she lacks faith.
You don't like my response.
so be it.
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itellu3times Sun, May 17, 2009 9:24:46am |
re: #612 realwest
It's scary for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is the question of WHO would get to set the parameters for that "engineering".
Fire might burn down your house.
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Afrocity Sun, May 17, 2009 9:26:13am |
re: #603 realwest
"buttermilk biscuits and corned beef hash." Oh yum! What's your address again (he asks, frantically looking through his airline guide to flights to Chicago from Charlotte!)?
:)
I'm doing ok thanks, but it's wet,rainy and getting colder by the hour!
Down Simba. It is all from the can.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 9:26:20am |
re: #596 callahan23
Really? I mean do you type while standing?
:)
No, as I said, I served with two of the guys who caught him and he was definitely not the coward that Ayers was is.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 9:26:44am |
re: #598 Walter L. Newton
What lack of faith. This woman see nothing in the scripture that talks of doctors and medical science. This woman read material by her church that tells her to trust g-d for healing, and then this woman puts all of her faith in those things she has read, been told, ben taught, and you tell me she has a lack of faith.
No she doesn't. You just don't agree with her faith or her beliefs or the flavor of christianity she follows. So, you judge her in a way that you would NEVER judge another christian.
I suspect she is not really a christian. (That last sentence is major sarcasm)///
Faith isn't just an arbitrary concept; you have to consider carefully who or what you have faith in. I can have a massive amount of faith that I can ignore the law of gravity, but it won't really get me anywhere, will it? If I want to walk on water, I have to have faith in the One who walks on water himself.
Walter, I think I understand your position; you are giving this mother a great amount of grace for living consistently with her beliefs. I wonder at times why we are more worried about being consistent in our beliefs when the people we oppose politically seem to care less about it. Why is being consistent better?
This is an open question.
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Afrocity Sun, May 17, 2009 9:28:26am |
re: #613 Walter L. Newton
Wow Walter, I clicked on your nick for the first time. I will peruse your script if you don't mind.
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realwest Sun, May 17, 2009 9:33:50am |
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 17, 2009 9:34:38am |
re: #621 vxbush
Faith isn't just an arbitrary concept; you have to consider carefully who or what you have faith in. I can have a massive amount of faith that I can ignore the law of gravity, but it won't really get me anywhere, will it? If I want to walk on water, I have to have faith in the One who walks on water himself.
Walter, I think I understand your position; you are giving this mother a great amount of grace for living consistently with her beliefs. I wonder at times why we are more worried about being consistent in our beliefs when the people we oppose politically seem to care less about it. Why is being consistent better?
This is an open question.
Faith is the belief in that which is unseen. Gravity is seen, known, a measurable quantity.
This woman (and here christian sect) has faith in all the healing passages in scripture.
There are many incidents of people praying to g-d in scripture and receiving healing and other miracles.
Why is it suddenly wrong for this woman to have faith in those scriptures and passages?
I don't agree with this woman at all, I'm an atheist, but I can see where she is coming from. Funny how her other pro-religionist can't.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 17, 2009 9:35:08am |
re: #622 Afrocity
Wow Walter, I clicked on your nick for the first time. I will peruse your script if you don't mind.
Any one you want. Just let me know which shows you would like a copy of.
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reine.de.tout Sun, May 17, 2009 9:38:44am |
re: #613 Walter L. Newton
Sorry, the "sarc" was a general sarcasm, really not meant directly at you. But it was meant for some others here.
Really didn't mean to address that at you at all.
But, I still would like a rebuttal to the rest of my statement.
Here faith is not lacking, it is stronger than most people's.
No, I don’t like that she refused to seek medical care for her daughter.
And if her “flavor” of Christianity prevented her, then I don’t like that either, and I believe it’s done her and her daughter a great disservice.
I agree with vx here:
Faith isn't just an arbitrary concept; you have to consider carefully who or what you have faith in. I can have a massive amount of faith that I can ignore the law of gravity, but it won't really get me anywhere, will it? If I want to walk on water, I have to have faith in the One who walks on water himself.
I have drawn a conclusion that faith does not mean I must deny science. And just as we can believe the "creationist/ID'ers" are doing a disservice to the state of education in this country, so I can also believe that any religion that denies to its adherents the bounties of science is doing a disservice to those believers.
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debutaunt Sun, May 17, 2009 9:38:44am |
As the poet said, 'Only God can make a tree' -- probably because it's so hard to figure out how to get the bark on. - Woody Allen (1935 - )
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 9:38:59am |
re: #625 Walter L. Newton
Faith is the belief in that which is unseen. Gravity is seen, known, a measurable quantity.
This woman (and here christian sect) has faith in all the healing passages in scripture.
There are many incidents of people praying to g-d in scripture and receiving healing and other miracles.
Why is it suddenly wrong for this woman to have faith in those scriptures and passages?
I don't agree with this woman at all, I'm an atheist, but I can see where she is coming from. Funny how her other pro-religionist can't.
That's because there are differences regarding how those healing passages should be considered. Some believe that those passages are only referring to the time when the Apostles were here and that such healings were a sign of power to show the power of the gospel. It seems this woman and her pastors do not agree with this position. I don't know which position is more prevalent, but it appears the "apostolic signs" position is the more accepted one, generally.
The Bereans were praised for knowing the scriptures and reading them diligently to understand what was written. The same proper handling of Scripture is just as important today--not just in regards to beliefs regarding healings, but to avoid all sorts of heresies and wacked out beliefs that are possible.
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Soona' Sun, May 17, 2009 9:39:49am |
re: #621 vxbush
Faith isn't just an arbitrary concept; you have to consider carefully who or what you have faith in. I can have a massive amount of faith that I can ignore the law of gravity, but it won't really get me anywhere, will it? If I want to walk on water, I have to have faith in the One who walks on water himself.
Walter, I think I understand your position; you are giving this mother a great amount of grace for living consistently with her beliefs. I wonder at times why we are more worried about being consistent in our beliefs when the people we oppose politically seem to care less about it. Why is being consistent better?
This is an open question.
The question is the difference between faith and TRUST.
Faith is like watching a circus high wire act. I observe the performer walk out onto the wire with a wheelbarrow and I have faith that the guy will get to the other side without falling. After all, he's had plenty of practice and he's a performing professional.
Trust is me climbing up and getting into the wheelbarrow for the walk back.
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VegasRick Sun, May 17, 2009 9:40:33am |
re: #627 reine.de.tout
I have drawn a conclusion that faith does not mean I must deny science. And just as we can believe the "creationist/ID'ers" are doing a disservice to the state of education in this country, so I can also believe that any religion that denies to its adherents the bounties of science is doing a disservice to those believers.
Ding, ding. Up.
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solomonpanting Sun, May 17, 2009 9:41:21am |
The anecdote posted here in the past of the person stranded on the rooftop during a flood who refuses the help of someone in a boat or helicopter because of the faith that "God will save me" (only to drown), appears to have a present-day connection to the child's parents.
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Afrocity Sun, May 17, 2009 9:45:09am |
re: #626 Walter L. Newton
Any one you want. Just let me know which shows you would like a copy of.
Walter, is there any video footage of Poof?
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code red 21 Sun, May 17, 2009 9:45:13am |
re: #633 taxfreekiller
He's a snake. My apologies to snakes.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 17, 2009 9:46:02am |
re: #629 vxbush
That's because there are differences regarding how those healing passages should be considered. Some believe that those passages are only referring to the time when the Apostles were here and that such healings were a sign of power to show the power of the gospel. It seems this woman and her pastors do not agree with this position. I don't know which position is more prevalent, but it appears the "apostolic signs" position is the more accepted one, generally.
The Bereans were praised for knowing the scriptures and reading them diligently to understand what was written. The same proper handling of Scripture is just as important today--not just in regards to beliefs regarding healings, but to avoid all sorts of heresies and wacked out beliefs that are possible.
Sure there are differences on how those passages are considered. That's because there some christians don't have faith in them, so certain theological schools of thought have had to go BEYOND scripture to explain what they believe is happening.
There is nothing in scripture that indicates that the miracles were going to stop when the apostolic age stopped. That is just extrapolation by theologians to explain away something that they can't explain otherwise.
Just because the Bereans were praised in their study of scriptures (which by the way was the hebrew scriptures if anything, not the greek scriptures) we have NO idea how they interrupted those scripture.
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itellu3times Sun, May 17, 2009 9:46:36am |
re: #624 realwest
What?
Any technology is going to have good uses and bad uses. Computers enable an inhuman police state. Steel swords might make war too horrible to contemplate. If God had wanted man to fly, He would have given us wings.
Sure, there are bad things might happen with biotech engineering of genetics. Heck, the social impact of eliminating disease is scary enough! And what if they extend the life span by twenty or fifty or a thousand years?
Maybe the libs will suggest we make the average person hobbit-sized, to save on resources. Or legislate that everyone be exactly the same? Hermaphroditic, I presume. What if the "error rate" is rather high on any engineering, so you win a few, lose a few?
Frankly, the science is a lot harder than that, I'm afraid we won't see any real genetic engineering along these lines for decades if not centuries, so it's all sci-fi at this point.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 17, 2009 9:47:19am |
re: #633 taxfreekiller
Talk about untaped talent , James Carvel, Democrat commie skin head hack..!
Hollywood is missing a block buster.
James was already in a Hollywood blockbuster, he played Gollum in Lord of the Rings.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 9:50:48am |
re: #636 Walter L. Newton
Sure there are differences on how those passages are considered. That's because there some christians don't have faith in them, so certain theological schools of thought have had to go BEYOND scripture to explain what they believe is happening.
There is nothing in scripture that indicates that the miracles were going to stop when the apostolic age stopped. That is just extrapolation by theologians to explain away something that they can't explain otherwise.
Just because the Bereans were praised in their study of scriptures (which by the way was the hebrew scriptures if anything, not the greek scriptures) we have NO idea how they interrupted those scripture.
So now who's judging--the atheist who is upset at Christians supposedly not having faith in their own scriptures? Forgive me, Walter, but that makes me laugh.
We're not allowed to judge Christians for their beliefs, but you are allowed to judge us for not believing the scriptures the way you say we should--even though you don't believe in G-d?
Thank you sir, for your discourse today. I think your position is now untenable, though, so I shall not waste your time.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 17, 2009 9:52:15am |
re: #640 vxbush
So now who's judging--the atheist who is upset at Christians supposedly not having faith in their own scriptures? Forgive me, Walter, but that makes me laugh.
We're not allowed to judge Christians for their beliefs, but you are allowed to judge us for not believing the scriptures the way you say we should--even though you don't believe in G-d?
Thank you sir, for your discourse today. I think your position is now untenable, though, so I shall not waste your time.
Easy way out of the discussion, which is not to address any of my points.
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vxbush Sun, May 17, 2009 9:55:45am |
re: #641 Walter L. Newton
Easy way out of the discussion, which is not to address any of my points.
Because I have no desire to upset you further. I do not enjoy arguing with fellow lizards. If you wish to discuss this off list, that's fine, and we won't be wasting Charles' resources.
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SixDegrees Sun, May 17, 2009 9:58:04am |
re: #573 Walter L. Newton
re: #558 vxbush
First off, I in no way agree with this mother stance, or in any person who turns to their faith over medical science.
But, on the purely theological side of things, this sort of action is the ultimate test of faith, and people like this woman are displaying more faith in g-d than most Sunday christians.
How can you deny her that faith and belief?
If you are a believer, I suspect your flavor of christianity (or what ever you spiritual brand is), has certain beliefs based on you faith, and you try to act on those beliefs on a daily basic.
You believe promises that you have read in scripture, you practice certain rituals because you have faith that they are meaningful and good and you look forward to many rewards.
Well, so did this woman, in a much more intense way than most religionist I know. Yet we damn her for her faith.
I don't understand.
Faith is a fine thing - as long as it's practice stops at the end of the practitioner's nose. In this case, it extended far beyond that point and was imposed on a young child who is presumably incapable of giving informed consent to such a prescription.
If the woman herself had been afflicted with Type I diabetes and was rapidly drifting into a coma, insisting that she felt she should pray her affliction away rather than seeking medical aid for it, I don't think anyone would have a problem.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 17, 2009 10:22:14am |
re: #643 SixDegrees
Faith is a fine thing - as long as it's practice stops at the end of the practitioner's nose. In this case, it extended far beyond that point and was imposed on a young child who is presumably incapable of giving informed consent to such a prescription.
If the woman herself had been afflicted with Type I diabetes and was rapidly drifting into a coma, insisting that she felt she should pray her affliction away rather than seeking medical aid for it, I don't think anyone would have a problem.
I agree 100 percent, but I was coming at this from the point of her faith and beliefs, which I say is more firm than a lot of christians I know.
Otherwise I don't agree with her at all.
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SixDegrees Sun, May 17, 2009 10:28:09am |
re: #644 Walter L. Newton
I agree 100 percent, but I was coming at this from the point of her faith and beliefs, which I say is more firm than a lot of christians I know.
Otherwise I don't agree with her at all.
I agree with your premise. Just don't think it's a viable position.
Sounds like we're on the same page.
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FamHistoryGuy Sun, May 17, 2009 10:52:41am |
re: #581 Desert Dog
CYTEEN by C. J. Cherryh. Deals with all of the implications.
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Orbit Rain Mon, May 18, 2009 6:56:38pm |
re: #39 gmsc
Well, comments advocating violence certainly don't appeal to me!
I feel that...I was drunk when I posted that, and of course, *I* am talking about foreign policy (and domestic policy)...saying "bomb the mosques" is downright wrong, tho I don't think that saying "people would bomb mosques" is wrong, though I could be wrong...but I digress...advocating and predicting are easily misinterpreted by people on the internet, and I believe we know of many occaisions where someone will say something and another person will hear the opposite...
like...
re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth
I find it laughable that you would read this...
yeah, I *should* just ignore Charles wishes when I'm in his house, when my eye happens to notice a change...you sir (or madam) are brilliant, you should write a book
...
re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth
...and conclude that it must mean this:
you must be a mind-reader, considering you don't understand what I've writen, my bad, I should/could have written 4 pages more...you've restated what I said into what you heard...you sir, are incorrect...
re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist
Right you are. We will do far better to advocate extreme violence, amongst like-minded people, from the safety of our living rooms. This will show that we 'get it', and will not be easily killed or enslaved, unless, of course, our internet connections go down.
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quite the fascist view you must have, thinking that only those who server can make such comments, from your *little* keyboard..lol...no, we wouldn't be easily killed,at least in *my* State... in my state, I can carry a sidearm..in the meantime, I'm entertaining a family friend from another county who's pulled three tours in Iraq, and will be going to Afghanistan shortly...so right you are to make so many assumptions...sir
re: #168 haakondahl
It doesn't actually apply to things like foreign policy unless you want our foreign policy to be, oh, say, genocide.
Go ahead. Have your little argument with Charles. And then we'll be hearing the tiny sound of your distant voice from wa-a-a-ay over there at the fascist and stalker blogs.
Unless perhaps I have completely misunderstood your comment.
yes, you probably have, i apologize for the drunkedness...If I were to say "we are at war with militiant Islamofascist (who have been at war with us) who blow up our buildings, and blow up our nighbor's trains, who kill us and enslave our labour when they steal the fruits of it...and that we should kill the bloody lot of them"
should I be banned? should I be banned for expressing what I believe is a logical sentiment? It's a pretty violent sentiment, it's not like I'm exactly happy sending my friends and family in harms way...but then, I'm in the camp that believes you don't have to hate the murderers you execute, to execute them.
tho some will hear what they want, won't they?
(and for the record, I've talked some number of people off the "we should turn the *insert location* into glass" mindset, I'm not down for harming the innocent)
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