Creationist Unanimously Elected to Lead SC Republican Party

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At the South Carolina GOP state convention yesterday, Karen Floyd was unanimously elected to lead the Republican Party: Floyd to lead GOP in S.C.

State Republicans elected Spartanburg businesswoman Karen Floyd to head the party at a state convention that underscored the divisions facing the GOP as it prepares for 2010 elections.

Floyd, who was unopposed, was elected unanimously. She said her 2006 loss running for state Superintendent of Education had motivated her, as well as national Democrats who had her seeing red.

“I have hope and excitement and a vision for our great party,” Floyd told the convention crowd.

Imagine my surprise, if you will, to discover that like almost every other top GOP politician, Floyd is a creationist who wants to teach “intelligent design” as science. Here’s an article she wrote for a far-right anti-public school website:

The Theory of Evolution is taught at most universities and colleges. Unfortunately, in most instances, the way it is being taught and presented in textbooks at both the college and high school level is as a set of incontrovertible beliefs. This does not positively serve the students of our state.

Theories are useful because they explain empirical evidence. The children of South Carolina need to understand the evidence that evolutionary theory explains, the evidence it doesn’t explain and the evidence that contradicts it. Our students need to understand the concerns that exist; not take any theory in science on blind faith.

There are a growing number of prominent scientists who are “poking around” in the foundations of evolutionary theory. Irreducible complexity is just one issue that causes heartburn for the evolutionists.

As science evolves, so do the opinions of the scientists. More and more scientists are publicly coming out in favor of an Intelligent Design Theory because that is what the evidence is telling them is true.

Long gone are the days when God was excluded from scientific circles. If we ignore that reality, we will only limit our children’s scientific knowledge.

Clearly, the theory of the politically-correct minority has been allowed to dominate our classrooms to the point where not only is evolution being taught as a scientific truth, but the public address system cannot be used to say a prayer for the safety of athletes before a football game - this is wrong.

It serves no one well to seek to indoctrinate our students on issues like this. We must bring our children into the 21st century, where the existence of intelligence behind the creation is not only the belief of the vast majority of our citizens, and always has been, but is quickly becoming the viewpoint of many prominent scientists. We should openly discuss the theory of Intelligent Design with our children as well. Public schools have an obligation to present these competing theories without bias or prejudice or favor.

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923 comments
1 davinvalkri  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:48:10pm

Oh come on. Seriously, GOP?

2 freetoken  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:48:34pm

It's like shooting kittens in a barrel...

3 Bloodnok  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:48:51pm

As the party takes one more step away from where I'm standing....

4 albusteve  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:49:16pm

the gift of democracy...keeps on giving...my land in Jamaica is looking mighty inviting about now

5 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:49:31pm
not take any theory in science on blind faith.

save the blind faith for Intelligent design.

science is science, dumb shit. there is no blind faith. there is data

6 albusteve  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:50:27pm

re: #5 Shug

save the blind faith for Intelligent design.

science is science, dumb shit. there is no blind faith. there is data

there are votes, and there is power too

7 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:50:49pm

Oh, brother! "Competing theories"? You have to be pretty far gone to think think any of this creationist mumbo-jumbo is actually competing with evolution. Rather its an attempt to supplant science with religious dogma.

8 HelloDare  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:50:57pm

Barney Rubble is going to run for Lieutenant Governor.

9 davinvalkri  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:51:00pm

Hey, you know how all the anti-slavery Whigs got into the Republican party in the 1850s and 1860?
Why don't we form the nucleus of a new party? Call it...the party that's pissed? Both because we're angry and one of our primary political espousers is Barry Goldwater?

10 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:51:22pm

re: #2 freetoken

It's like shooting sea kittens in a barrel...

slightly fixed

11 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:51:26pm

I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you!

12 albusteve  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:51:43pm

get ready for thousands of words to restate the obvious...

13 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:52:28pm

On a day when Hubble got new hardware so it can see back 800 million years, the GOP picks a person who believes the universe is 6000 years old.

I'm pulling my hair out

14 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:52:42pm

re: #11 Alouette

I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you!

Captain Reno, is that you?

/kidding

15 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:52:51pm
16 The Other Les  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:53:06pm

If the L5 colonies existed right now I would be working my butt off in order to emigrate to one.

17 Kragar  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:53:45pm

I'd like say I was still a Republican, but they all seem to be fucking idiots nowadays

18 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:54:08pm

re: #4 albusteve

the gift of democracy...keeps on giving...my land in Jamaica is looking mighty inviting about now

I am thinking Barbados.

19 Wendya  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:54:10pm

Like it or not, they ID/Creationist types are part of the party. Just as we can't chase out and banish the "moderates", you can't remove the ID/C's either.

20 Gang of One  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:54:16pm

Maybe now I'll join the PRI or the PAN. Can't do PRD, though.

21 Kragar  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:54:21pm

re: #16 The Other Les

If the L5 colonies existed right now I would be working my butt off in order to emigrate to one.

I'd have upped stakes and been heading for the frontier long ago if there still was one

22 The Other Les  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:54:26pm

re: #13 Shug

On a day when Hubble got new hardware so it can see back 800 million years, the GOP picks a person who believes the universe is 6000 years old.

I'm pulling my hair out

This is what we get for making a Faustian bargain with the Bornies.

23 NelsFree  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:54:37pm

re: #2 freetoken

It's like shooting kittens in a barrel...

Naughty analogy!
*claw*

Perhaps you meant, "sea kittens"?

24 HelloDare  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:54:49pm

How blind must you be not to see the irony in using the term blind faith?

25 davinvalkri  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:55:03pm

re: #21 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I'd have upped stakes and been heading for the frontier long ago if there still was one

Or a galaxy far far away...but then I'd just run into more problems when I got there. Oh well, the trip would be fun!

26 albusteve  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:55:06pm

re: #17 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I'd like say I was still a Republican, but they all seem to be fucking idiots nowadays

no..they own the blogs and the media...following that, down the road it will turn out bad for someone

27 Trapgun  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:55:38pm

Years ago I had a friend who didn't vote because he thought there wasn't a nickels worth of difference between the two major parties. I couldn't believe a grown man couldn't take the trouble to make a decision affecting the country. Now I'm beginning to think the choice is between incompetence and stupidity. If there is not a viable third choice, I might not vote outside the primaries.

28 albusteve  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:55:40pm

re: #18 ilzito guacamolito

I am thinking Barbados.

do it...seriously

29 Racer X  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:57:02pm

I have never been a member of the Republican (or Democrat) party.

This is why.

30 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:57:07pm

re: #24 HelloDare

How blind must you be not to see the irony in using the term blind faith?

Fanatics rarely think of irony.

31 NelsFree  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:57:18pm

re: #18 ilzito guacamolito

I am thinking Barbados.

Stand and salute!

32 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:57:21pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

Captain Reno Renault, is that you?

/kidding

like the crappy car...

33 albusteve  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:57:36pm

re: #29 Racer X

I have never been a member of the Republican (or Democrat) party.

This is why.

I vote, therefore I am

34 HelloDare  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:57:51pm

re: #13 Shug

On a day when Hubble got new hardware so it can see back 800 million years, the GOP picks a person who believes the universe is 6000 years old.

The first picture Hubble got looking back 800 million years was Karen Floyd waving at them.

35 Racer X  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:57:56pm

re: #4 albusteve

the gift of democracy...keeps on giving...my land in Jamaica is looking mighty inviting about now

I've got property in Hawaii. Unfortunately it's in the desert.

36 Wendya  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:58:09pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Oh, brother! "Competing theories"? You have to be pretty far gone to think think any of this creationist mumbo-jumbo is actually competing with evolution. Rather its an attempt to supplant science with religious dogma.

Remember this: [Link: www.gallup.com...] ?

To at least half the country, they are "competing theories".

Can we thank the teachers union for the complete disregard of the importance of science in our schools

37 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:58:10pm

What is SC PIE? A homeschooling organization?

38 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:58:16pm

Floyd - straight out of Mayberry?

39 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:58:32pm
40 Kragar  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:58:36pm

re: #27 Trapgun

Years ago I had a friend who didn't vote because he thought there wasn't a nickels worth of difference between the two major parties. I couldn't believe a grown man couldn't take the trouble to make a decision affecting the country. Now I'm beginning to think the choice is between incompetence and stupidity. If there is not a viable third choice, I might not vote outside the primaries.

I'd go for stupid. Incompetence isn't as predictable.

41 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:58:44pm
The children of South Carolina need to understand the evidence that evolutionary theory explains, the evidence it doesn’t explain and the evidence that contradicts it.

Which is what? *crickets*

42 albusteve  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:59:26pm

re: #35 Racer X

I've got property in Hawaii. Unfortunately it's in the desert.

gotta have water, and electric...everything else can be fudged along the way

43 Ojoe  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:59:39pm

Modern Whig Party, check them out.

The 2 main parties are both captives of their respective fringes.

Look how many people don't bother to vote.

Time for a new party, there needs to be a fundamental shift away from the nurturing of citizen - government dependency and spending into oblivion, both parties do it now.

44 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:59:42pm

re: #29 Racer X

I have never been a member of the Republican (or Democrat) party.

This is why.

I have never been a member of any party.

Except the toga party, of course.

45 SteveC  Mon, May 18, 2009 6:59:55pm

re: #8 HelloDare

Barney Rubble is going to run for Lieutenant Governor.

Why not? Lt. Governor Andre Bauer has already been stopped for speeding twice and been involved in a plane crash. I'm not sure if we've got Speedy Gonzales or Wrong Way McKay!

46 freetoken  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:00:04pm

re: #36 Wendya


Can we thank the teachers union for the complete disregard of the importance of science in our schools

No, not in this case. That half the country does not want to accept biology, paleontology, geology, etc. is not the fault of teacher unions.

47 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:00:08pm
48 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:00:28pm

re: #41 Sharmuta

Which is what? *crickets*

that's where the blind faith comes in

49 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:00:30pm

The Republican Party was created to oppose slavery, and now it's going to die trying to oppose science.

50 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:00:53pm
There are a growing number of prominent scientists who are “poking around” in the foundations of evolutionary theory. Irreducible complexity is just one issue that causes heartburn for the evolutionists.

That's just laughable.

As science evolves, so do the opinions of the scientists. More and more scientists are publicly coming out in favor of an Intelligent Design Theory because that is what the evidence is telling them is true.

Uh- this is just dishonest.

51 LC LaWedgie  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:01:04pm

A little peanut butter music from Sandi Robison:

52 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:01:05pm

re: #19 Wendya

Like it or not, they ID/Creationist types are part of the party. Just as we can't chase out and banish the "moderates", you can't remove the ID/C's either.

And that's one big reason why the Republican Party is melting down and losing big.

53 davinvalkri  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:01:34pm

re: #49 Last Mohican

The Republican Party was created to oppose slavery, and now it's going to die trying to oppose science.

Gory, gory, what a hell of a way to die
glory, glory what a hell of a way to die
Holy gory what a hell of a way to go
Guess she ain't gonna fight no more...

54 doppelganglander  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:01:34pm

This dingbat ran unopposed. If no one in the state party organization is willing to run for chairman, this is what you end up with. Even in a place with as many knuckle-dragging morons as South Carolina, surely there's someone out there to challenge this fool.

55 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:01:38pm

re: #31 NelsFree

Stand and salute!




Awesome! Really nice anthem. I wonder if they fire a cannon and start playing that when Happy Hour rolls around...

56 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:02:09pm

If "Irreducible complexity is just one issue that causes heartburn for the evolutionists", that's because it's an indigestible load of crap.

57 SteveC  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:02:10pm

re: #37 American Sabra

What is SC PIE? A homeschooling organization?

SC parents involved in Education. "Education Reform."

58 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:02:25pm

re: #44 Cato the Elder

I have never been a member of any party.

Except the toga party, of course.

Never been a member of a party who would have you for a member?

59 Kragar  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:02:31pm

Irreducible complexity = "We're too stupid to understand what you're talking about, Heretic."

60 albusteve  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:02:36pm

re: #52 Charles

And that's one big reason why the Republican Party is melting down and losing big.

yep...the question is where do we move from here...a party brawl that will take years to shake out?...hahaha!...not me

61 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:02:53pm

re: #32 ilzito guacamolito

like the crappy car...

Thank you for the correction. Upding.

62 Ojoe  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:02:57pm

re: #49 Last Mohican

We have only two major parties and there are two types of political idiocy, left and right. They each get a party. They can have them, it's roach motel.

Time for something new.

63 NelsFree  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:03:19pm

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

BSM, I have been encouraging intelligent debate and eschewing "mud-wrestling" exchanges of epithets. Thank you for your post. Upding. Walter L. , please take note.
Unfortunately, all I got tonight is lame Youtube videos and plays on words.
Wait, I'll get The Federalist Papers and be right back!

64 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:03:30pm

Devolution

65 freetoken  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:03:49pm

re: #23 NelsFree


Perhaps you meant, "sea kittens"?


Heh....

/or maybe... Hey!

66 SteveC  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:03:51pm

re: #54 doppelganglander

This dingbat ran unopposed. If no one in the state party organization is willing to run for chairman, this is what you end up with. Even in a place with as many knuckle-dragging morons as South Carolina, surely there's someone out there to challenge this fool.

Sir you have offended my honor! I invite you to step outside. Bring your second!

67 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:04:07pm

re: #57 SteveC

SC parents involved in Education. "Education Reform."

I read the about page, but I don't get it. It's not saying more than it's saying... and then there's the "Abstinence" page just kinda thrown up there.

68 avanti  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:05:53pm

If a person believed in the tooth ferry, on the surface that would seem harmless enough, but in so believing sort of makes you think they may be a sandwich short of a picnic in others areas too.

69 Ojoe  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:06:00pm

D - R you can check in but you can't check out.

70 TrapGun  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:06:18pm

What does ID have to say about radiometric dating, the Burgess shale, geologic columns, progression, DNA? What exactly is the "theory" of ID.
(crickets chirping)

71 SteveC  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:06:27pm

re: #67 American Sabra

I read the about page, but I don't get it. It's not saying more than it's saying... and then there's the "Abstinence" page just kinda thrown up there.

Their take on the HPV vaccine, in my opinion, put them in a class with the lovely (but brainless) Jenny McCarthy.

THEN we get to the Study or Origins page....

72 albusteve  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:06:34pm

re: #62 Ojoe

We have only two major parties and there are two types of political idiocy, left and right. They each get a party. They can have them, it's roach motel.

Time for something new.

I'm too old and could care less...my children will have to suffer their own way...there are alternatives when America implodes on Creationism and abortion...I sorta feel sorry for the younger set, but they brought it on themselves and they will have to undo it

73 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:06:43pm

re: #52 Charles

And that's one big reason why the Republican Party is melting down and losing big.

That and paying lip service to fiscal responsibility.

74 montana  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:06:49pm

Its time to reformat the Republican party and delete all the viruses. Or maybe a new operating system is called for.

75 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:06:55pm

re: #68 avanti

If a person believed in the tooth ferry, on the surface that would seem harmless enough, but in so believing sort of makes you think they may be a sandwich short of a picnic in others areas too.


Is that what takes you to and from the dentist's office?

76 albusteve  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:07:24pm

re: #67 American Sabra

I read the about page, but I don't get it. It's not saying more than it's saying... and then there's the "Abstinence" page just kinda thrown up there.

BO is the Tooth Fairy...good one

77 SteveC  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:07:31pm

re: #74 montana

Its time to reformat the Republican party and delete all the viruses. Or maybe a new operating system is called for.

Hell, here in SC I'd push the reboot button myself!

78 Ojoe  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:07:36pm

They gerreymander all the district lines anyway. A good 3rd party would make all their crooked little maps go up in smoke.

Screw them all and their puerile bickering.

79 Kragar  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:07:39pm

re: #70 TrapGun

What does ID have to say about radiometric dating, the Burgess shale, geologic columns, progression, DNA? What exactly is the "theory" of ID.
(crickets chirping)

Well, I could give you the long version, which would take many many posts, so I will give you the short version.

FUCKING MAGIC.

80 kansas  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:07:42pm

re: #68 avanti

If a person believed in the tooth ferry, on the surface that would seem harmless enough, but in so believing sort of makes you think they may be a sandwich short of a picnic in others areas too.

Does a dentist drive the tooth ferry?

81 Steve Rogers  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:07:45pm

There seems to be a nearly 50/50 split in the U.S. politically. One the one side are those who advocate forced socialism (and even fascism*); and those on another side who technically advocate freedom for the individual but at the cost of science (evolution, vaccines, etc.) at the least to full-fledged theocracy at the most.

Those of us (myself included) who advocate freedom of the individual, but who are pro-science seem to be in the minority.

When we try to talk sense into those on the left, that forced government intervention is not the best way to help those truly in need, we are shouted down as “uncaring” (despite the fact that the political left is the least likely of all groups to donate to charity – can anyone say “projection”?) and they claim we are immoral and shout us down as not caring about the children.

When we try to talk sense into those on the right that evolution is a fact (or that vaccines do not cause autism, are safe and effective etc.) they claim we are immoral and shout us down as not caring about children.

Is there a reason for this nearly even split? Is it nature, nurture, a combination, what? What causes it? Can it be changed?

Bottom line: What can be done to reach both “sides” so that we can return to a freer society that also accepts and applauds science?

*This is NOT Godwin’s Law or reductio ad hitlerum, for two reasons: First, I did not say “Nazi” I said “fascist” and there is a difference between those two; and secondly, since by every textbook definition of fascism, many of the left’s ideas are clearly fascist in nature.

82 doppelganglander  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:07:56pm

re: #36 Wendya

Can we thank the teachers union for the complete disregard of the importance of science in our schools

Not directly. I blame poor preparation of future science teachers. I can't lay hands on the statistics right now, but I do know an astronomical (pardon the pun) number of science and math teachers do not hold a degree in any science or math. You've got education majors (who tend to rank in the lowest percentiles of both the SAT and GPA rankings) who can barely keep a chapter ahead of their students. It's very difficult to attract science majors to K-12 teaching for two main reasons: one, they can make much more money elsewhere, and two, state teacher requirements nearly always demand a (worthless) degree in education. Flexible requirements, bonus pay, and other incentives might attract a higher caliber of teachers to the field, but teacher unions tend to oppose such proposals.

83 Kragar  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:08:34pm

re: #74 montana

Its time to reformat the Republican party and delete all the viruses. Or maybe a new operating system is called for.

They seem to be reforming as the Donner Party. Their new motto is "We eat our own."

84 Wendya  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:08:44pm

re: #46 freetoken

No, not in this case. That half the country does not want to accept biology, paleontology, geology, etc. is not the fault of teacher unions.

I'm not so sure that they don't accept it as much as they don't understand it.

85 davinvalkri  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:09:01pm

re: #81 Steve Rogers

Those of us (myself included) who advocate freedom of the individual, but who are pro-science seem to be in the minority.

Well, you're among friends here.

86 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:09:07pm

re: #73 Sharmuta

That and paying lip service to fiscal responsibility.


Sorry, I may only upding you once on that.

87 doppelganglander  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:09:13pm

re: #66 SteveC

Sir you have offended my honor! I invite you to step outside. Bring your second!

I'm not a sir, and I don't have a second, but I've been to SC many times, since I live in Georgia. I'll stand by my assessment.

/not like we're knee-deep in Nobel prize winners here, either.

88 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:09:22pm

re: #76 albusteve

BO is the Tooth Fairy...good one

Is that what I said? lol

89 Kragar  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:09:30pm

re: #80 kansas

Does a dentist drive the tooth ferry?

The Tooth Fairy is nothing but a pawn for the International Dental Cabal.

90 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:09:44pm
Our students need to understand the concerns that exist; not take any theory in science on blind faith.

Indeed - including the very real concern that religious whackjobs are trying to confuse and push their idiocy down their throats without regard for their best interests as students.

91 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:09:48pm

re: #52 Charles

And that's one big reason why the Republican Party is melting down and losing big.

It looks like the creationists in the party aren't going to shut up and keep their idiotic knuckle-dragging views to themselves. If they keep asserting themselves like this, I think the Republican Party will be forced to split into two parties, comprised of the 60% who believe in young-Earth creationism, and the 40% who believe in modern science. And both of those parties will be powerless at the national level.

Maybe it's time for the 40% to split off now, while they still have a chance to recruit a few sane friends from the ranks of the Democratic party to join them.

92 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:10:49pm

re: #89 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

The Tooth Fairy is nothing but a pawn for the International Dental Cabal.

Now you sound like a Toother.

93 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:11:00pm

re: #81 Steve Rogers

Fascism incorporates aspects of the left and the right- to the point where those on the right see the left in fascism, and those on the left see the right. It's really the worst of both worlds mixed together to form one nasty little ideology.

94 Randall Gross  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:11:04pm

I'm not surprised, this is SC, and not too long ago they were mostly Dixiecrats. If they are bcoming our national leadership then the party has left me.

95 TrapGun  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:11:08pm

re: #79 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Well, I could give you the long version, which would take many many posts, so I will give you the short version.

FUCKING MAGIC.

I think they categorically avoid talking about these things because so many of their followers are young earthers and can't handle any science.

96 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:11:15pm

Charles, I believe you've shown at least one state GOP platform here that explicitly supports creationism. Do you know if the party's platform has taken a stand on this at the national level?

97 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:11:29pm

Hot Air, the last "conservative" blog I still have bookmarked is on the verge of deletion. Their new posts from readers are terrible and there's something really wrong with Allah Pundit lately. Left wing blogs like Huffpo and Dkos are still shit. is the age of the blogosphere over?

98 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:11:46pm

There's other news from the SC convention too. Ron Paul drones came out in force, and creationist governor Mark Sanford defended them today.

99 Ojoe  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:11:47pm

re: #83 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Donner party 1847

Transcontinential railroad put through 1869

It only took 12 years, and would have taken less but for the Civil War.

Let's hope we get a new party in several years less than 12.

100 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:12:12pm

Karen Floyd sez:

Theories are useful because they explain empirical evidence.

She has that backwards. Theories are proven or unproven by using empirical research. Theories don't explain empirical evidence.

But that's actually how the intelligent design cultists work: backwards.

101 SteveC  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:12:12pm

re: #87 doppelganglander

I'm not a sir, and I don't have a second, but I've been to SC many times, since I live in Georgia. I'll stand by my assessment.

/not like we're knee-deep in Nobel prize winners here, either.

But you have Emory - great school, great hospital, top notch cardiology program. I would (and have) trusted my life to Emory doctors.

102 albusteve  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:12:25pm

re: #94 Thanos

I'm not surprised, this is SC, and not too long ago they were mostly Dixiecrats. If they are bcoming our national leadership then the party has left me.

the most unbelievable racism I've ever witnessed was in SC...just thiught I'd add that

103 davinvalkri  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:12:33pm

re: #98 Charles

There's other news from the SC convention too. Ron Paul drones came out in force, and creationist governor Mark Sanford defended them today.

Sigh...joy...

104 avanti  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:12:36pm

re: #75 ilzito guacamolito

Is that what takes you to and from the dentist's office?

Tonight, it's the beer's fault.

105 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:12:39pm

re: #98 Charles

Shhhh!
/ron paul

106 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:13:00pm

Is the Republican party going to go off the rails this bad? If so, they can count on being in the minor minority for years and I will have to find or found my own party. So far, here in WA state we haven't had any repubs spout this nonsense....yet.

107 Kragar  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:13:17pm

re: #92 American Sabra

Now you sound like a Toother.

I've got video of the Bridge collapse. You can clearly see the fillings were rigged to give way!

108 Randall Gross  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:13:18pm

re: #102 albusteve

the most unbelievable racism I've ever witnessed was in SC...just thiught I'd add that

The worst I witnessed was in Chicago, but that's another story for another day.

109 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:13:37pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Hot Air, the last "conservative" blog I still have bookmarked is on the verge of deletion. Their new posts from readers are terrible and there's something really wrong with Allah Pundit lately. Left wing blogs like Huffpo and Dkos are still shit. is the age of the blogosphere over?

Hardly. The age of the blogosphere that you want to read is over. The bonkersphere is going strong.

110 SteveC  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:13:40pm

re: #98 Charles

There's other news from the SC convention too. Ron Paul drones came out in force, and creationist governor Mark Sanford defended them today.

crap. I didn't see that, My TV caught the Swine Flu. :(

111 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:13:46pm

Dear Karen Floyd:

Please name for me a single example of life-saving medical knowledge that has come about as a result of study in the field of Intelligent Design.

Thank you.

112 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:13:53pm
113 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:14:06pm

Interesting that she won the party leadership by acclamation.
It must be a crappy, thankless, job.

114 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:14:24pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

First celebrity swine flu fatality

LMAO

115 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:14:29pm

re: #107 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I've got video of the Bridge collapse. You can clearly see the fillings were rigged to give way!

Well I've seen the video debunking YOUR video. It's called "Screw Loose Filings."

116 davinvalkri  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:14:34pm

re: #113 Spare O'Lake

Interesting that she won the party leadership by acclamation.
It must be a crappy, thankless, job.

It's not easy being dead.

117 davinvalkri  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:15:01pm

re: #116 davinvalkri

It's not easy being dead.

Wait, that was supposed to go to #112! My bad.

118 Randall Gross  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:15:15pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

I should have known better than to click that, I got it in the email the other day... Still funny if you haven't seen it.

119 gmsc  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:15:48pm

To be honest, I doubt that anything will change, no matter what anyone does. When I realized what was going on, I decided not to have anything to do with South Carolina and the Republican Party, and so far I haven't seen anything that would change my mind.

I'll save my efforts for NOT supporting something like the Republican Party and South Carolina until I hear the organizers make obvious public pronouncements against the kind of kooks that want to squirrel into these elections.

;)

120 formercorpsman  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:15:55pm

re: #117 davinvalkri

You know, I did not even read who you referenced in that post, but I knew exactly what you meant. Hence, the ding.

121 HelloDare  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:16:05pm

re: #96 Last Mohican

Charles, I believe you've shown at least one state GOP platform here that explicitly supports creationism. Do you know if the party's platform has taken a stand on this at the national level?

I've written Steele and the Republican party several times asking what their position is on creationism. Never got a reply.

My guess is that they are going to put some kind of language in the platform that can be interpreted as supporting the teaching of ID in schools.

122 Steve Rogers  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:16:12pm

re: #85 davinvalkri


Those of us (myself included) who advocate freedom of the individual, but who are pro-science seem to be in the minority.

Well, you're among friends here.

Yes, I realize that. People who think generally along these lines will naturally gravitate to such a site as this over time. But at the voting booth, we can't make a dent. And after every election, we either loose some more of our freedom, or science classes take a big hit. Then we come here to bitch about it. We need some sort of method fore breaking through the psychological barriers the left and right have erected in their minds - if such a thing is possible.

123 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:16:46pm

re: #109 Walter L. Newton

Good point. I seem to remember that not that long ago if you posted something completely wrong other bloggers would pile on and drag your reputation through the dirt. The Right side was particularly good at fact checking and corrections when needed. Maybe it was never really that good but I thought it was at the time.

124 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:17:20pm

Hey Lizards! It was glorious today in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

I haven't been here a lot lately, and probably won't for a week or two more. Gosh, I miss you guys!

While watching Huckabee last night. . .. Well actually, hubby was watching Huckabee, I was trying to read. I kept getting distracted by the feeling that I was really watching Lawrence Welk reruns in some kind of alternate reality.

Why does this man have a show? Why do people who espouse wannabe science get any attention at all?

I don't have a lot of battery power left (don't ask), so I may have to leave soon.

If so, have weet dreams tonite. Lizards!

125 Kragar  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:17:24pm

re: #115 American Sabra

Well I've seen the video debunking YOUR video. It's called "Screw Loose Filings."

Next thing you know, you're going to try to say the Israelis didn't give mouthwash and floss to all the Jewish kids.

126 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:17:37pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

is the age of the blogosphere over?

It's the Second Law of Blogodynamics. Eventually, all blogs tend toward raving insanity.

127 SteveC  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:17:40pm

re: #102 albusteve

the most unbelievable racism I've ever witnessed was in SC...just thiught I'd add that

You just gotta believe there are good people here, and the worst of us are the loudest of us. I cringe when I see the stereotypical "Southern hick" on TV because the majority of us are not like that.

128 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:17:44pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

First celebrity swine flu fatality

It was a long time coming...

129 doppelganglander  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:18:04pm

re: #101 SteveC

But you have Emory - great school, great hospital, top notch cardiology program. I would (and have) trusted my life to Emory doctors.

Definitely, and I'm glad you're here to tell the tale. We've also got Georgia Tech, which had 3 alumni on the space shuttle Endeavour last fall. I'm not familiar with the achievements of the University of South Carolina or Clemson, aside from football, but I'm sure they've produced some top people as well.

130 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:18:16pm

re: #119 gmsc

To be honest, I doubt that anything will change, no matter what anyone does. When I realized what was going on, I decided not to have anything to do with South Carolina and the Republican Party, and so far I haven't seen anything that would change my mind.

I'll save my efforts for NOT supporting something like the Republican Party and South Carolina until I hear the organizers make obvious public pronouncements against the kind of kooks that want to squirrel into these elections.

;)

That's a really good idea, smart ass :)
/

131 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:18:30pm

re: #125 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Next thing you know, you're going to try to say the Israelis didn't give mouthwash and floss to all the Jewish kids.

lol I follow the Tooth and nothing but the Tooth!

132 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:18:49pm

re: #119 gmsc

That makes me a little sad to see you write something like that.

I know some independents, and I can tell you- they laugh at creationists. This is exactly the sort of thing that keeps some people away from the party.

133 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:19:08pm

re: #119 gmsc

It's probably not a good idea to continue doing that.

134 albusteve  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:19:47pm

re: #127 SteveC

You just gotta believe there are good people here, and the worst of us are the loudest of us. I cringe when I see the stereotypical "Southern hick" on TV because the majority of us are not like that.

I love SC...but good people is cliche nowadays...I'm just gonna hunker down and watch it from a distance...I have said it before and I'll say it again...mainstream conservatism is dead

135 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:20:19pm

Think of how huge of a coup it would be for Ron Paul to hijack the GOP. The man is clearly insane and never got above 1 or 2% a few months ago in the primaries. It's very similar to what the Eurofascists did with the counterjihad movement but on a much bigger scale. I think both cases are a case of a little planning and a lot of luck but it's really amazing to ponder that these things can happen.

136 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:20:34pm

re: #132 Sharmuta

That makes me a little sad to see you write something like that.

I know some independents, and I can tell you- they laugh at creationists. This is exactly the sort of thing that keeps some people away from the party.

He's being sarcastic and relating this threads subject to what Charles, Killgore you and I were saying in the last thread.

137 Ojoe  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:20:44pm

re: #122 Steve Rogers

But at the voting booth, we can't make a dent.

IMHO because lots of people don't bother to vote since there is no center party. As soon as one comes along it will make a big dent.

138 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:20:51pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

He's being sarcastic and relating this threads subject to what Charles, Killgore you and I were saying in the last thread.

Yep.

139 gmsc  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:20:55pm

re: #132 Sharmuta

That makes me a little sad to see you write something like that.

I know some independents, and I can tell you- they laugh at creationists. This is exactly the sort of thing that keeps some people away from the party.

To be clear, Sharmuta, I didn't mean it. Thus the ;) at the end. I guess the slashies would've made it clearer. I apologize for the confusion.

140 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:21:29pm

re: #139 gmsc

To be clear, Sharmuta, I didn't mean it. Thus the ;) at the end. I guess the slashies would've made it clearer. I apologize for the confusion.

I wasn't confused.

141 gmsc  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:21:42pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

He's being sarcastic and relating this threads subject to what Charles, Killgore you and I were saying in the last thread.

re: #138 Charles

Yep.

Actually, 2 threads back, but yep.

142 Kronocide  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:21:55pm

OT: looks to be a budding wannabe Onion website, no less funny:

Vaginas a myth say Saudi scientists.

143 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:21:55pm

re: #132 Sharmuta

I will fight like hell at my local level to keep this silliness out. Went to the local repub convention last year and a couple of paulians tried to insert mad shit into the platform. Me and another character(he had a hat that said dysfuntional veteran) kept them at bay.

144 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:22:02pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

I know- and it saddens me. I like gmsc. I would think he'd support science and math. He's always been respectful in the past. I don't get it.

145 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:22:43pm

Here come the meltdowns.
Maybe I'll flounce downstairs and fix myself a drink.

146 Racer X  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:22:57pm

re: #142 BigPapa

OT: looks to be a budding wannabe Onion website, no less funny:

Vaginas a myth say Saudi scientists.

LMAO!

147 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:23:04pm

re: #142 BigPapa

OT: looks to be a budding wannabe Onion website, no less funny:

Vaginas a myth say Saudi scientists.

So does that mean Saudi women fake it all the time?

148 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:23:08pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Hot Air, the last "conservative" blog I still have bookmarked is on the verge of deletion. Their new posts from readers are terrible and there's something really wrong with Allah Pundit lately. Left wing blogs like Huffpo and Dkos are still shit. is the age of the blogosphere over?


Where are you right now as you type?

149 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:23:09pm

re: #142 BigPapa

Heh.

150 SteveC  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:23:33pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Here come the meltdowns.
Maybe I'll flounce downstairs and fix myself a drink.

heck, I'm going for sodas. Anyone want something?

151 Bob Dillon  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:23:37pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Hot Air, the last "conservative" blog I still have bookmarked is on the verge of deletion. Their new posts from readers are terrible and there's something really wrong with Allah Pundit lately. Left wing blogs like Huffpo and Dkos are still shit. is the age of the blogosphere over?

Nah - just evolving.

152 Kronocide  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:23:47pm

I've never thought of myself as a ... cough cough... centrist. They're doing it to me, not the other way around.

153 Kragar  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:24:07pm

re: #150 SteveC

heck, I'm going for sodas. Anyone want something?

Corndog

154 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:24:08pm

re: #150 SteveC

heck, I'm going for sodas. Anyone want something?

Fresh Coffee! Cream and Sugar.

Ok, some chocolate too!

thanks! you need money?

155 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:24:13pm

re: #148 ilzito guacamolito

Oregon. Upstairs in my workshop. It's very messy and something smells like feet. Why do you ask?

156 Ojoe  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:24:32pm

re: #152 BigPapa

We're all centrists on this bus.

157 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:24:41pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout
Don't trip on your hoop skirt! :)
I see flounce and think of big dresses.

158 gmsc  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:24:58pm

re: #144 Sharmuta

I know- and it saddens me. I like gmsc. I would think he'd support science and math. He's always been respectful in the past. I don't get it.

..and I do!

It was a one-time shot, and Charles is being very generous here by not banning me – and even given me a fair warning which I will heed.

159 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:25:15pm

re: #156 Ojoe

We're all centrists on this bus.

Before I sign on to join the centrist bus. . .

What is the centrist view on the 2nd Amendment?

and garlic?

160 doppelganglander  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:25:16pm

re: #150 SteveC

heck, I'm going for sodas. Anyone want something?

Cheerwine? ;)

161 Digital Display  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:25:29pm

re: #150 SteveC

heck, I'm going for sodas. Anyone want something?

Diet please..I have Blueberry Cottage cheese..Stuff rocks..

162 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:25:31pm

Good evening lizards!

Didja see this at the Gibbs press conference today?

163 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:25:34pm

Well, just fuck.

164 Gella  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:25:39pm

re: #142 BigPapa

OT: looks to be a budding wannabe Onion website, no less funny:

Vaginas a myth say Saudi scientists.

ewww seriously, what do they know?

165 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:25:44pm

re: #121 HelloDare

I've written Steele and the Republican party several times asking what their position is on creationism. Never got a reply.

My guess is that they are going to put some kind of language in the platform that can be interpreted as supporting the teaching of ID in schools.

It's depressing to realize this, but it seems to me that the creationism issue splits the Republican party's membership almost right down the middle. That being the case, Steele and the RNC's purposes would be best served by asking the pro-creationism activists in the party to please shut up, before they fracture and weaken the party even more than they have. But they're not shutting up, they're just getting louder and louder.

Hence my wondering if the RNC had decided to take a stand on this at the national level. Or are they just going to let the crazies get worse and worse until they start demanding that science classes give equal time to the theory of the geocentric universe and the theory of the flat Earth being held up by a turtle?

166 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:25:46pm

re: #156 Ojoe

We're all centrists on this bus.

I thought we were in a basket? You know, like going to hell in a handbasket.

//

167 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:26:00pm

Hey Mandy. . .

168 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:26:09pm

re: #152 BigPapa

I've never thought of myself as a ... cough cough... centrist. They're doing it to me, not the other way around.

Ever heard of a Moderate Republican?

169 gmsc  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:26:10pm

re: #163 MandyManners

Well, just fuck.

What's up?

170 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:26:16pm

I flit
I float
I fleetly flounce, I fly

171 Ojoe  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:26:16pm

re: #159 ggt

Garlic is fine.

The centrist location on 2nd amendment is the bull's eye.

172 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:26:18pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Here come the meltdowns.
Maybe I'll flounce downstairs and fix myself a drink.

Ok, I want to see a web cam of the flouncing. I'll even pay. Hey, there's an idea to make money. Some sort of web based video cam game... "Whack a Killgore."

173 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:26:54pm

re: #167 ggt

Hey Mandy. . .

HEY!

174 albusteve  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:27:12pm

re: #165 Last Mohican

Steele cannot speak out...he is a fundraiser, everybody says so which makes it true...but they do not connect the dots

175 NelsFree  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:27:13pm

From The Federalist Papers, #10, by James Madison:

"As long as the reason of man continues fallible, and he is at liberty to exercise it, different opinions will be formed."
"The latent causes of faction are thus sown in the nature of man; and we see them everywhere brought into different degrees of activity, according to the different circumstances of civil society. A zeal for different opinions concerning religion, concerning government and many other points, as well of speculation as of practice; an attachment to different leaders ambitiously contending for pre-eminence and power; or to persons of other descriptions whose fortunes have been interesting to the human passions, have in turn divided mankind into parties, inflamed them with mutual animosity, and rendered them much more disposed to vex and oppress each other, than to cooperate for their common good."

176 Ojoe  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:27:16pm

re: #166 Gus 802

Obscure firesign theater reference; they have an album called "We're all bozos on this bus."


BBL

177 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:27:17pm

re: #171 Ojoe

Garlic is fine.

The centrist location on 2nd amendment is the bull's eye.

All right then. Is there a coffee machine on this bus?

178 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:27:27pm

re: #163 MandyManners

Well, just fuck.

Your wish is my command!

179 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:27:57pm

re: #168 MandyManners

Ever heard of a Moderate Republican?

I heard there used to be one, back in '08. An old guy, from Arizona. Different times, those were.

180 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:28:13pm

re: #58 American Sabra

Never been a member of a party who would have you for a member?

Zackly.

One has one's standards.

181 Racer X  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:28:16pm

re: #142 BigPapa

OT: looks to be a budding wannabe Onion website, no less funny:

Vaginas a myth say Saudi scientists.

Oh man that guy is funny.


Media begins to panic that swine flu might not be global pandemic

LONDON. As billions of people continue to remain healthy, media organizations say they have grave concerns that the current outbreak of swine flu might not evolve into a global pandemic. "This is a doomsday scenario for us," said a media spokesman. "We've invested hundreds of millions in pandemic scare-mongering, and we really need this one to pay off."

Speaking to themselves this morning, media stables confirmed that they were now bracing for a catastrophic non-pandemic, as reports continue to flood in of areas unaffected by swine flue.

"It's worse than anything we imagined," said spokesman Heinrich Shank. "They assured us this thing would kill millions within days. Apocalyptic horror, they said. People bleeding out of their eyes in every city on the planet.

"And now you wake up to read this kind of stuff. Four kids coughing in Hong Kong and two blokes who feel a bit sweaty getting off a plane in Brazil.

182 Ojoe  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:28:22pm

re: #177 ggt

Yes, but it is drip coffee, not espresso.

183 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:28:41pm

re: #177 ggt
There by God better be!

184 Ojoe  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:28:45pm

Ah, BBL

185 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:28:47pm

re: #165 Last Mohican

It's depressing to realize this, but it seems to me that the creationism issue splits the Republican party's membership almost right down the middle. That being the case, Steele and the RNC's purposes would be best served by asking the pro-creationism activists in the party to please shut up, before they fracture and weaken the party even more than they have. But they're not shutting up, they're just getting louder and louder.

Hence my wondering if the RNC had decided to take a stand on this at the national level. Or are they just going to let the crazies get worse and worse until they start demanding that science classes give equal time to the theory of the geocentric universe and the theory of the flat Earth being held up by a turtle?

Well when Cheney comes out and says Rush is a better representation of the party than Powell (paraphrasing), there doesn't seem a lot of strengths for the centrist/moderates or whatever you're calling yourselves. They say they want to gather in the Big Tent, but they don't really.

186 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:28:49pm

re: #169 gmsc

What's up?

The opposite of down.

187 kansas  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:28:54pm

re: #179 Last Mohican

I heard there used to be one, back in '08. An old guy, from Arizona. Different times, those were.

I heard he voted for Obama.

188 Kronocide  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:29:03pm

re: #168 MandyManners

Yep. But I never thought of myself as one, or a libertarian either. I've always thought of myself as conservative. The fringe is getting so far out I guess I'm moderate.

189 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:29:12pm

re: #182 Ojoe

Yes, but it is drip coffee, not espresso.

As long as there is fresh half & half, not that powdered stuff. Oh, and REAL sugar.

190 experiencedtraveller  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:29:32pm

re: #78 Ojoe

They gerreymander all the district lines anyway.

Right on Ojoe. Gerrymandering is the enemy of democracy. If we can eliminate it we may yet see some rational decisions from our congress whichever faction is currently in control.

191 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:29:42pm

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

Your wish is my command!

Oh, goodness.

192 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:29:46pm

I want to go hang out with the Shugs. I bet that would be a good time.

193 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:30:06pm

re: #181 Racer X

Those stories are supposed to be humorous, if you hadn't noticed. They're not real.

194 Digital Display  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:30:12pm

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

Your wish is my command!

So I'm hoping anywhere about 25 miles in diameter is safe from ground zero right?

195 albusteve  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:30:13pm

re: #188 BigPapa

Yep. But I never thought of myself as one, or a libertarian either. I've always thought of myself as conservative. The fringe is getting so far out I guess I'm moderate.

you are what you are...why let others dictate to you?...stand firm

196 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:30:16pm

re: #192 Sharmuta

I want to go hang out with the Shugs. I bet that would be a good time.


roger that

197 kansas  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:30:20pm

re: #185 American Sabra

Well when Cheney comes out and says Rush is a better representation of the party than Powell (paraphrasing), there doesn't seem a lot of strengths for the centrist/moderates or whatever you're calling yourselves. They say they want to gather in the Big Tent, but they don't really.

Wouldn't it be fair to say that a better representative of the party would actually vote for that party's candidate?

198 Dave the.....  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:30:25pm

Yet the leader of the other party thinks that babies who survive abortion attempts should be denied medical treatment.

Is there no sanity in the big parties? Is it all Michael Savage vs Al Franken?

199 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:30:32pm

re: #189 ggt

"you'll get nothing! and like it". Judge Smails.

200 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:30:34pm

re: #179 Last Mohican

I heard there used to be one, back in '08. An old guy, from Arizona. Different times, those were.

HE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE!

SOUTH CAROLINA IS NOT THE WHOLE FUCKING NATION! IT'S NOT THE WHOLE FUCKING SOUTH!

201 HelloDare  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:30:41pm

The wackier the Republican party gets, the more Obama will have to overstep to lose power. Will the rational middle hold? Or will it thin and pull apart like stretched silly putty?

202 Irish Rose  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:30:58pm
The Theory of Evolution is taught at most universities and colleges. Unfortunately, in most instances, the way it is being taught and presented in textbooks at both the college and high school level is as a set of incontrovertible beliefs. This does not positively serve the students of our state.

This Christian asks, how does teaching scientific FACT not positively serve the students of your state?

At least she's honest about the real beef behind the bullshit:

Long gone are the days when God was excluded from scientific circles. If we ignore that reality, we will only limit our children’s scientific knowledge.

Clearly, the theory of the politically-correct minority has been allowed to dominate our classrooms to the point where not only is evolution being taught as a scientific truth, but the public address system cannot be used to say a prayer for the safety of athletes before a football game - this is wrong.

No, it's right.
Unless of course you want the children in your state to bow to Mecca three times a day to accomodate Muslim students who will insist on having the same right to public prayer as you do.

This is the true agenda of the creationist movement, the self-described "majority".... to bludgeon "politically correct" unbelievers and atheists with their version of the "truth" and force it upon others peoples' children whether they want it or not.

For their own good, and all in the name of Christ of course... because "God is love".

/spit

203 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:31:05pm

re: #196 Shug

Some day, Bro.

204 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:31:07pm

Karen Floyd sez:

Clearly, the theory of the politically-correct minority has been allowed to dominate our classrooms to the point where not only is evolution being taught as a scientific truth, but the public address system cannot be used to say a prayer for the safety of athletes before a football game - this is wrong.

Fear mongering Floyd. Evolutionary science is a "theory" being promoted by a "politically-correct minority" that has been allowed to "dominate our classrooms!" Then she makes an illogical leap between the teaching of evolution and saying prayers for football players.

Priceless. Clearly this is more than a creationist agenda for Ms. Floyd. She has other plans.

205 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:31:13pm

re: #175 NelsFree

Madison has always been my BFF (Best Founding Father) lol

206 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:31:25pm

re: #188 BigPapa

Yep. But I never thought of myself as one, or a libertarian either. I've always thought of myself as conservative. The fringe is getting so far out I guess I'm moderate.

I'm a Classical Liberal. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

As long as centrist bus has coffee and allows for smoke stops, I'm on it.

207 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:31:36pm

re: #198 Dave the.....

Yet the leader of the other party thinks that babies who survive abortion attempts should be denied medical treatment.

That is simply not true. It's a distortion pushed by the anti-abortion lobby.

208 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:31:43pm

re: #200 MandyManners
Thank you!

209 solomonpanting  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:31:57pm
This does not positively serve the students anti-science parents of our state.
210 Racer X  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:32:03pm

re: #193 Charles

Those stories are supposed to be humorous, if you hadn't noticed. They're not real.

Are you kidding? I'm LMAO here.

Bookmarked.

211 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:32:08pm

re: #156 Ojoe

We're all centrists on this bus.

Not me, brother. I'm a right-winger. I'm not fully capable of moderation.

212 NelsFree  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:32:34pm

re: #176 Ojoe

Obscure firesign theater reference; they have an album called "We're all bozos on this bus."


BBL

"Exit left to Funway"

213 Ojoe  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:32:45pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

You can ride shotgun.

Yes I know I said BBL

214 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:32:48pm

did you see the new Zooborn?

215 SteveC  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:32:51pm

I'm back! Coffee, Corndogs, Cheerwine (God's soda!) and a Snickers Bar.

And some Blenheim Ginger Ale, for anyone brave enough to try it!

We used to stock this stuff at the museum I used to work at, it is not the usual Ginger Ale flavor - it is hot!

216 Dave the.....  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:33:03pm

Charles, since you are pretty much always right on facts (but we disagree on opinions many times), I will accept that.

217 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:33:07pm

re: #188 BigPapa

Yep. But I never thought of myself as one, or a libertarian either. I've always thought of myself as conservative. The fringe is getting so far out I guess I'm moderate.

Maybe it's time to step back from the Internet and look around at how things are going in your local GOP precinct, at how things are going at the state level of the GOP.

Tunnel vision sucks.

Look for facts on your own.

I AM A PROUD, MODERATE CONSERVATIVE!

218 Kronocide  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:33:29pm

re: #195 albusteve

I is, I is. It's them who are going off into la la land.

Instead of backing off on creationism taught in school and not discerning between science and faith, they're doubling down on a losing bet. Absolutely freaky: ensuring Democratic control for years to come.

219 Steve Rogers  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:33:34pm

re: #93 Sharmuta

Fascism incorporates aspects of the left and the right- to the point where those on the right see the left in fascism, and those on the left see the right. It's really the worst of both worlds mixed together to form one nasty little ideology.

Yes, you are correct.

I guess I used the left as an example due to the fact that a key aspect of fascism as a socio/economic system is the private control of the means of production, but the government telling those companies what to do, what not to do, what to pay, what to earn, etc....and since the current President is doing exactly that, it is fresh in my mind as a prime example of fascism.

220 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:33:54pm

re: #122 Steve Rogers

But at the voting booth, we can't make a dent.

I came back from feeding the dog, saw this and thought you were goofing on the avanti post. You know...voting 'tooth', making a 'dent'...
Where is buzz dammit...

221 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:33:58pm

Creationism makes really lousy science.

222 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:33:58pm

re: #217 MandyManners

Say it again:

I AM A PROUD, MODERATE CONSERVATIVE.

223 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:34:14pm

re: #216 Dave the.....

Charles, since you are pretty much always right on facts (but we disagree on opinions many times), I will accept that.

Here are the facts:

The Born Alive Infant Protection Act was not simply a bill to protect infants "born alive." It was an attempt by the anti-abortion lobby to change the way abortion is defined in the law, and undercut Roe v. Wade. The bill Obama opposed was intended to increase the liability for doctors and hospitals that perform abortions.

This is a good post about it, with lots of quotes from the actual bills and the deceptive language introduced by the Stanek-Santorum crowd:

[Link: blogs.chicagotribune.com...]

This is NOT as simple as "Obama supports baby-killing." I am NO FAN OF BARACK OBAMA, but there's a lot of dishonesty going on in this issue -- from the right-wing side.

224 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:34:21pm

re: #213 Ojoe

You can ride shotgun.

Yes I know I said BBL

I'll go get my 12-gauge.

/kidding, I don't own one.

225 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:34:33pm

re: #197 kansas

Wouldn't it be fair to say that a better representative of the party would actually vote for that party's candidate?

As in McCain? It always seemed to me that the Republicans didn't lose. The Democrats won, you know what I mean? The country didn't want another 4 years of Republican administration. I know you all feel very differently, but Bush had very low ratings and if the Left always hated him, so how did that happen? It was pretty much going downhill during his last 4 years.

226 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:34:44pm

A palate cleanser from Ernie -

227 PatriotLizardoid  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:34:45pm

Wow, quite a mind she has there. Since when have public schools EVER used the PA system to say prayers? For anyone? We had moments of silence, the pledge, and that was about it.

This stuff is nonsense. I am a Christian and I do not expect (nor do I endorse) my kids' schools suddenly praying, tackling religious subjects and certainly I do NOT think they should be teaching biblical creationism or any other form of creationism. They should just stay the heck out of that stuff. I can handle the faith issues, just like I can handle other tough subjects that will come at my kids.

It's also revealing that none of these ID people ever have BIOLOGY degrees. That would entail years of study and analysis of evolution by natural selection at every level, from every angle possible, and we couldn't have that now could we? ;-)

228 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:34:53pm

re: #214 ggt

did you see the new Zooborn?

The New and Improved Republican Party?

If only

229 TheAntichrist  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:35:00pm

If the GOP is determined to drive thier bus off the cliff it's time to jump off and form another party - the Lizard Party!

230 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:35:04pm

re: #198 Dave the.....

Yet the leader of the other party thinks that babies who survive abortion attempts should be denied medical treatment.

Is there no sanity in the big parties? Is it all Michael Savage vs Al Franken?

The Franken Savage Nation

231 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:35:11pm

re: #208 pingjockey

Thank you!

You're welcome.

232 Irish Rose  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:35:19pm

#97 Killgore Trout

Hot Air, the last "conservative" blog I still have bookmarked is on the verge of deletion. Their new posts from readers are terrible and there's something really wrong with Allah Pundit lately.

You and I both. I've given Allah just about as much room as I'm willing to give him. If he doesn't start cleaning up the extremist crap and anti-LGF screeds in the comment section then he's off my blogroll... permenantly.

Malin was delinked a long time ago.

233 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:35:21pm

re: #19 Wendya

Like it or not, they ID/Creationist types are part of the party. Just as we can't chase out and banish the "moderates", you can't remove the ID/C's either.

What I see happening is that the Creationist/ID'ers are taking over; and the voice of moderates is being marginalized, so even if the moderates are not officially kicked out, they are effectively kicked out as they have less and less influence.

234 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:35:33pm

re: #219 Steve Rogers

If you'd like I could recommend a couple books- one on fascism, and another on the origins of political struggles. Both very fascinating.

235 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:36:03pm

re: #214 ggt

did you see the new Zooborn?

Barely. Hard to see the little one, hiding under there.

236 kansas  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:36:28pm

re: #225 American Sabra

As in McCain? It always seemed to me that the Republicans didn't lose. The Democrats won, you know what I mean? The country didn't want another 4 years of Republican administration. I know you all feel very differently, but Bush had very low ratings and if the Left always hated him, so how did that happen? It was pretty much going downhill during his last 4 years.

No, as in Steele saying Limbaugh was a better representative of the party than Powell. Since Powell voted for Obama, how could he be a better representative of the party?

237 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:36:38pm

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Oregon. Upstairs in my workshop. It's very messy and something smells like feet. Why do you ask?


I thought I smelled Fritos.

238 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:36:39pm

re: #223 Charles

Here are the facts:

The Born Alive Infant Protection Act was not simply a bill to protect infants "born alive." It was an attempt by the anti-abortion lobby to change the way abortion is defined in the law, and undercut Roe v. Wade. The bill Obama opposed was intended to increase the liability for doctors and hospitals that perform abortions.

This is a good post about it, with lots of quotes from the actual bills and the deceptive language introduced by the Stanek-Santorum crowd:

[Link: blogs.chicagotribune.com...]

This is NOT as simple as "Obama supports baby-killing." I am NO FAN OF BARACK OBAMA, but there's a lot of dishonesty going on in this issue -- from the right-wing side.

True, but truth to tell: I would still have voted for that law, for I wish to see Roe v. Wade undercut. The Supreme Court ruled wrongly and I tend to favor laws that scale back that infamous decision.

239 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:36:52pm

re: #231 MandyManners
I participate in all the local repub stuff I can and so far here in eastern WA we haven't had any loonies, except for paulians show up.

240 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:37:07pm

I'm just sick of being bullshitted by the left and the right. Where does someone who values the truth and integrity go?

241 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:37:20pm

Has anyone asked how many electoral votes S.C. has?

This is neither a useless nor usefull question. I just hope it's instructive.

242 Idle Drifter  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:37:21pm

re: #171 Ojoe

Garlic is fine.

The centrist location on 2nd amendment is the bull's eye.

My one regret is that I only have one up ding to give to your post.

243 alexknyc  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:37:26pm

So where do I go when both the Republican and Democratic parties have left me and I'm not crazy enough for Ron Paul?

244 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:37:37pm

re: #234 Sharmuta

If you'd like I could recommend a couple books- one on fascism, and another on the origins of political struggles. Both very fascinating.

Book LInk Category Please! I'm on a reading binge right now and would love the references. I think Jonah Goldberg is already there tho.

245 davinvalkri  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:37:54pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

I'm just sick of being bullshitted by the left and the right. Where does someone who values the truth and integrity go?

Into business, science, and industry.
/kidding...no I'm not.

246 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:37:55pm

re: #235 Last Mohican

Barely. Hard to see the little one, hiding under there.

sooo cute!

247 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:38:07pm

re: #239 pingjockey

I participate in all the local repub stuff I can and so far here in eastern WA we haven't had any loonies, except for paulians show up.

Do ya'll give them free tin-foil for their colanders?

248 Kronocide  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:38:18pm

re: #217 MandyManners

Maybe it's time to step back from the Internet and look around at how things are going in your local GOP precinct, at how things are going at the state level of the GOP.

Duly noted. As I wait and watch for a lone conservative to support in my very blue state, I notice that they're too few and far between. Hopefully they're not ID teaching creationists once I find one I like.

Neil Abercrombie is running for Gov next and there's nobody who can stop him.

249 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:38:33pm

re: #244 ggt

Book LInk Category Please! I'm on a reading binge right now and would love the references. I think Jonah Goldberg is already there tho.

You can search the book links and see one book repeatedly (for 7 weeks now) linked by me. Read that one.

250 Racer X  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:38:35pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

I'm just sick of being bullshitted by the left and the right. Where does someone who values the truth and integrity go?

1000 updings.

251 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:39:09pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

I'm just sick of being bullshitted by the left and the right. Where does someone who values the truth and integrity go?

Not into politics.

252 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:39:14pm

re: #249 Sharmuta

You can search the book links and see one book repeatedly (for 7 weeks now) linked by me. Read that one.

THANKS!

253 swamprat  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:39:14pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

I'm just sick of being bullshitted by the left and the right. Where does someone who values the truth and integrity go?

the library

254 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:39:15pm

re: #223 Charles

Here are the facts:

The Born Alive Infant Protection Act was not simply a bill to protect infants "born alive." It was an attempt by the anti-abortion lobby to change the way abortion is defined in the law, and undercut Roe v. Wade. The bill Obama opposed was intended to increase the liability for doctors and hospitals that perform abortions.

This is a good post about it, with lots of quotes from the actual bills and the deceptive language introduced by the Stanek-Santorum crowd:

[Link: blogs.chicagotribune.com...]

This is NOT as simple as "Obama supports baby-killing." I am NO FAN OF BARACK OBAMA, but there's a lot of dishonesty going on in this issue -- from the right-wing side.

I thought this was discussed and hashed out month and months ago. Boy, when shit gets stuck to ones shoe, it's hard as hell to scrape off.

It's just going to get worst. If anyone cannot see the eventual meltdown of the GOP, then... well... I can't explain it to them.

255 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:39:18pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

I'm just sick of being bullshitted by the left and the right. Where does someone who values the truth and integrity go?

She goes into herself, and proceeds from there.

Oh, wait. You already do that.

*sigh*

((((((((Sharmuta))))))))

256 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:39:24pm

Whahaha! Greta is talking about Dowd plaigarizing.

257 Steve Rogers  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:39:26pm

re: #234 Sharmuta

If you'd like I could recommend a couple books- one on fascism, and another on the origins of political struggles. Both very fascinating.

By all means! Please do. The more information one takes in on such topics, the better!

258 Wendya  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:39:36pm

re: #52 Charles

And that's one big reason why the Republican Party is melting down and losing big.

So we insist on ideological purity on that ONE issue yet we allow the big spenders and big government types to remain in the party?

259 NelsFree  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:39:38pm

re: #220 ilzito guacamolito

I came back from feeding the dog, saw this and thought you were goofing on the avanti post. You know...voting 'tooth', making a 'dent'...
Where is buzz dammit...

Not to worry, you're on the cusp of a good pun...
/h

260 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:40:25pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

I'm just sick of being bullshitted by the left and the right. Where does someone who values the truth and integrity go?

Those values don't really have much of a place is politics. Lies and deceit tend to carry you further in that arena. Telling the truth usually just causes you to lose under a opponent's negative ad campaign.

261 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:40:39pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

I'm just sick of being bullshitted by the left and the right. Where does someone who values the truth and integrity go?

Hard one. Seems the Democrats have been hijacked by the far left looneys and the Republicans are beginning to be taken over by the far right looneys.

I miss Ronald Reagan.

262 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:40:50pm

re: #248 BigPapa

Duly noted. As I wait and watch for a lone conservative to support in my very blue state, I notice that they're too few and far between. Hopefully they're not ID teaching creationists once I find one I like.

Neil Abercrombie is running for Gov next and there's nobody who can stop him.

Are you on any kind of "search committee" in your local GOP office?

263 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:41:00pm

re: #247 MandyManners

I have a USMC VN vet I sic on 'em!

264 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:41:05pm

Well, on the bright side... after the Dems were routed in the 2004 elections, they responded by turning their party sharply away from the center, and sending it careening off into extremist craziness. And it worked -- they regained congress in 2006, and the White House in 2008.

Wait a second. That's not the bright side at all. Damn.

265 Randall Gross  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:41:12pm

re: #241 MandyManners

Has anyone asked how many electoral votes S.C. has?

This is neither a useless nor usefull question. I just hope it's instructive.

8

266 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:41:18pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

I'm just sick of being bullshitted by the left and the right. Where does someone who values the truth and integrity go?

here

267 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:42:15pm
268 Idle Drifter  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:42:20pm

re: #243 alexknyc

So where do I go when both the Republican and Democratic parties have left me and I'm not crazy enough for Ron Paul?


////

269 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:42:22pm

re: #214 ggt

did you see the new Zooborn?

Really cute!

270 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:42:36pm

re: #266 Shug

here

I know. :)

271 albusteve  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:42:51pm

Willin....re: #240 Sharmuta

I'm just sick of being bullshitted by the left and the right. Where does someone who values the truth and integrity go?

call me when you get there....


272 Kronocide  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:42:55pm

re: #262 MandyManners

No, I'm not. I never considered myself a Republican, but if I have to pick sides that's where I'd be. Steering Committee? Hm....

273 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:43:02pm

re: #236 kansas

No, as in Steele saying Limbaugh was a better representative of the party than Powell. Since Powell voted for Obama, how could he be a better representative of the party?

Yea, but of all people, to pick Rush? He could have picked Steele actually or said neither.

But it was Cheney who said it, not Steele, last week sometime. Steele was on Meet the Press Sunday and was asked what he thought about the quote. Honestly, I think Steele didn't like it, but it was hard to tell. He was falling all over himself not to diss Cheney, well at least not to sound like he disagreed with him. Steele basically said that Cheney was a private citizen now and entitled to his opinion. It was a weak answer, but I understand why he gave it.

274 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:43:08pm

re: #258 Wendya
I want those fools voted out too.

275 Randall Gross  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:43:26pm

SC contributes 2 Republican Senators, Demint and Graham, 4 R House members, 2 D house members.

276 NelsFree  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:43:33pm

re: #244 ggt

Book LInk Category Please! I'm on a reading binge right now and would love the references. I think Jonah Goldberg is already there tho.

Please include the Founding Fathers' writings, especially The Federalist Papers.

277 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:43:41pm

re: #249 Sharmuta

You can search the book links and see one book repeatedly (for 7 weeks now) linked by me. Read that one.

I remember that original discussion. That's what started my reading binge.

I stumbled onto Hannah Arendt, the Origins of Totalitarianism. Still not sure what I think of it, but it is thought provoking.

278 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:43:47pm

re: #254 Walter L. Newton

I thought this was discussed and hashed out month and months ago. Boy, when shit gets stuck to ones shoe, it's hard as hell to scrape off.

It's just going to get worst. If anyone cannot see the eventual meltdown of the GOP, then... well... I can't explain it to them.

Actually, I don't recall "that this was discussed and hashed out month and months ago". In fact, the debates about reproductive rights have been extremely low-key for many moons.

Could you please provide the links to the discussion here about that?

279 SteveC  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:43:52pm

re: #241 MandyManners

Has anyone asked how many electoral votes S.C. has?

This is neither a useless nor usefull question. I just hope it's instructive.

8.

280 kansas  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:44:17pm

re: #261 NJDhockeyfan

Hard one. Seems the Democrats have been hijacked by the far left looneys and the Republicans are beginning to be taken over by the far right looneys.

I miss Ronald Reagan.

Given the choice between far left loonies and far right loonies, I take the far right loonies, because we would get far right, center right, right, and slightly left of right, as opposed to left, lefter, leftist.

281 Wendya  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:44:17pm

re: #233 reine.de.tout

What I see happening is that the Creationist/ID'ers are taking over; and the voice of moderates is being marginalized, so even if the moderates are not officially kicked out, they are effectively kicked out as they have less and less influence.

Everyone is pretty hysterical since the election.

Everyone.

This is not an unexpected result in an election that took a huge lurch into moonbat land. People on the social right feel threatened and they respond by shoving back. It's way too early to be panicking and debating ideological purges. The party will probably lurch further right than desired for the 2010 election, particularly in the South. That doesn't mean it will stay there.

282 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:44:31pm

re: #256 pingjockey

Whahaha! Greta is talking about Dowd plaigarizing.

Lemme' know when CNN talks about it.

283 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:44:57pm

re: #265 Thanos

8

Thank you.

284 freetoken  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:45:33pm

Well, it appears the evolution is not the only evil that is being forced upon our children... now our daughters are subject to the horrors of.... Zen Gardens!

Girl Scouts exposed

[...] WND reviewed the following books in the Girl Scouts' new "Journeys" curriculum:

[...] To cope with bullying, girls as young as 11 are encouraged to "take a peace break," make a Zen garden, take martial arts, do yoga and visit a website to learn the sun salutation poses. [...]

Oh... the horror of it all... Zen gardens - what is next?

285 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:45:35pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

I'm just sick of being bullshitted by the left and the right. Where does someone who values the truth and integrity go?

Try this.

286 Jim D  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:45:37pm

re: #258 Wendya

So we insist on ideological purity on that ONE issue yet we allow the big spenders and big government types to remain in the party?

That ONE issue is the first amendment. I just don't think it's asking too much to expect purity on that particular issue.

287 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:45:53pm

re: #282 MandyManners
Don't hold your breath!

288 kansas  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:46:45pm

re: #273 American Sabra

Yea, but of all people, to pick Rush? He could have picked Steele actually or said neither.

But it was Cheney who said it, not Steele, last week sometime. Steele was on Meet the Press Sunday and was asked what he thought about the quote. Honestly, I think Steele didn't like it, but it was hard to tell. He was falling all over himself not to diss Cheney, well at least not to sound like he disagreed with him. Steele basically said that Cheney was a private citizen now and entitled to his opinion. It was a weak answer, but I understand why he gave it.

Right, it was Cheney. But I thought the choice was between Powell and Limbaugh.

289 SteveC  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:46:55pm

Ut-Oh. Email says that the deadline for a form I'm responsible for has been moved up, so I've got to start crossing the Ts and dotting the Is. I hope everyone has a wonderful evening!

290 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:47:04pm

re: #284 freetoken

Technically I don't think we're allowed to link to WND but that's fucking hilarious.

291 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:47:19pm

re: #284 freetoken

Well, it appears the evolution is not the only evil that is being forced upon our children... now our daughters are subject to the horrors of.... Zen Gardens!

Girl Scouts exposed

Oh... the horror of it all... Zen gardens - what is next?

Girl Scouts Exposed? That really doesn't sound right.

I'll have to watch what they put in the cookies next year.

292 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:47:25pm

re: #272 BigPapa

No, I'm not. I never considered myself a Republican, but if I have to pick sides that's where I'd be. Steering Committee? Hm....

ACT LOCAL!

Instead of just sitting back and bitching about the direction of this nation, maybe we could take a hand in directing it.

293 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:47:44pm

Did someone say The Federalist Papers?

294 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:47:55pm

re: #279 SteveC

8.

Thanks!

295 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:48:00pm

re: #284 freetoken
Next thing you know...Origami!

296 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:48:01pm

re: #288 kansas

Right, it was Cheney. But I thought the choice was between Powell and Limbaugh.

Yes it was. Maybe I misunderstood you.

297 gmsc  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:48:28pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

I'm just sick of being bullshitted by the left and the right. Where does someone who values the truth and integrity go?

Even if there's no one to vote for, there is always someone to vote against. That's really the only place you can go in a situation like this.

298 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:48:31pm

re: #284 freetoken

Well, it appears the evolution is not the only evil that is being forced upon our children... now our daughters are subject to the horrors of.... Zen Gardens!

Girl Scouts exposed

Oh... the horror of it all... Zen gardens - what is next?

It's a Nipponese plot to brainwash our children!

//

299 Randall Gross  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:48:51pm

California has 45 electoral votes, 2 D Senators, 34 D House members, 19 R house members

300 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:48:52pm

re: #96 Last Mohican

Charles, I believe you've shown at least one state GOP platform here that explicitly supports creationism. Do you know if the party's platform has taken a stand on this at the national level?

The Texas GOP platform (PDF) contains the following:

Theories of Origin – We support objective teaching and equal treatment of strengths and weaknesses of scientific theories, including Intelligent Design. We believe theories of life origins and environmental theories should be taught as scientific theory, not scientific law.
(page 17)

301 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:48:53pm

Gotta' go. bbiab

302 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:49:09pm

re: #284 freetoken

There's also a story circulating on Paulian sites about the boyscouts being molested and given small arms training to turn them into Obama's private army. We'll see if that makes it into the conservative blogs in the next few weeks.

303 doppelganglander  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:49:29pm

re: #284 freetoken

Well, it appears the evolution is not the only evil that is being forced upon our children... now our daughters are subject to the horrors of.... Zen Gardens!

Girl Scouts exposed

Oh... the horror of it all... Zen gardens - what is next?

That's not sinister, but it is stupid. How is tending a Zen garden or doing yoga going to help you deal with a bully? Martial arts is a better suggestion, but only if you actually get to use it on the bully.

304 kansas  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:49:30pm

re: #296 American Sabra

Yes it was. Maybe I misunderstood you.

I'm pretty easy to misunderstand. My point, between Powell and Limbaugh, the one who represents the Republican Party better is the one who did not vote for the Democrat.

305 montana  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:49:40pm

re: #77 SteveC

Right on!

306 gmsc  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:49:53pm

re: #214 ggt

did you see the new Zooborn?

Just for that . . . take this!

307 Irish Rose  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:49:57pm

kre: #280 kansas

Given the choice between far left loonies and far right loonies, I take the far right loonies, because we would get far right, center right, right, and slightly left of right, as opposed to left, lefter, leftist.

I see absolutely no difference between the two.

308 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:50:08pm

re: #284 freetoken

Well, it appears the evolution is not the only evil that is being forced upon our children... now our daughters are subject to the horrors of.... Zen Gardens!

Oh... the horror of it all... Zen gardens - what is next?

Such an apt name for the author though: Chelsea Schilling. Schilling is shilling for insanity.

309 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:50:18pm

re: #261 NJDhockeyfan

Hard one. Seems the Democrats have been hijacked by the far left looneys and the Republicans are beginning to be taken over by the far right looneys.

I miss Ronald Reagan.

I miss Ronald Reagan

310 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:50:35pm

re: #303 doppelganglander
My favorite WND article is about how tofu makes kids gay. Seriously, they write about that stuff.

311 Wendya  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:50:37pm

re: #261 NJDhockeyfan

I miss Ronald Reagan.

So do I but if you go back and look at some of Reagan's speeches, there are many people right here on LGF who would describe him as far right. At the time he was running for President, I didn't give a rat's ass about his position on evolution and neither did the majority of the country. We had bigger fish to fry.

312 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:50:46pm

re: #284 freetoken

That was hilarious!

313 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:51:19pm

re: #302 Killgore Trout
How many mad conspiracy theories do those nutjobs have? Do they have a conspiracy generator, like a random number generator?!

314 Kronocide  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:51:35pm

re: #292 MandyManners

I just signed up for my local GOP party. I'm fairly technical so maybe I can assist with systems and processes, or fundraising.

I'm not going to stand by the road and wave a fricken sign and chaka a people. That's just not going to happen :)

315 freetoken  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:51:35pm

re: #290 Killgore Trout

Then, I suppose you should report me...

316 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:51:44pm

re: #284 freetoken

Well, it appears the evolution is not the only evil that is being forced upon our children... now our daughters are subject to the horrors of.... Zen Gardens!

Girl Scouts exposed

Oh... the horror of it all... Zen gardens - what is next?

Oh boy. You left out the complete title:

NOT YOUR MOTHER'S AMERICA!
Girl Scouts exposed: Lessons in lesbianism!
Communists, radical feminists cited as role models for troops!

These people are clazy.

317 Wendya  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:51:56pm

re: #286 Jim D

That ONE issue is the first amendment. I just don't think it's asking too much to expect purity on that particular issue.

So, you wouldn't vote for President Reagan if he ran today?

318 Steve Rogers  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:51:58pm

re: #267 Sharmuta

Thanks!

319 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:52:06pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

My favorite WND article is about how tofu makes kids gay. Seriously, they write about that stuff.

Tofu does not make kids gay, but it might make them throw up.

320 Randall Gross  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:52:20pm

re: #302 Killgore Trout

There's also a story circulating on Paulian sites about the boyscouts being molested and given small arms training to turn them into Obama's private army. We'll see if that makes it into the conservative blogs in the next few weeks.

It already has, even though it's really a hit piece from the left on BSA. The program's been around for decades, and they were doing the same thing under Bush. The funny thing is that a lot of conservatives were once boy scouts, and it's still a good place for future recruits.

321 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:52:21pm

As a former sandlapper I am mightily embarrassed by this.

322 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:52:52pm

re: #278 MandyManners

Actually, I don't recall "that this was discussed and hashed out month and months ago". In fact, the debates about reproductive rights have been extremely low-key for many moons.

Could you please provide the links to the discussion here about that?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Start there, and maybe look up the topic yourself, becuase there are too many links and I'm not going to sit here and clip and paste, clip and paste.

323 doppelganglander  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:52:53pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

My favorite WND article is about how tofu makes kids gay. Seriously, they write about that stuff.

Well of course it does! They need all the extra hormones from good red American beef!

324 gmsc  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:52:55pm

re: #284 freetoken

Well, it appears the evolution is not the only evil that is being forced upon our children... now our daughters are subject to the horrors of.... Zen Gardens!

Girl Scouts exposed

Oh... the horror of it all... Zen gardens - what is next?

Well, I've never known any lesbians personally, but isn't Danny Thomas one?

325 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:53:07pm

re: #317 Wendya
I didn't know RWR was an IDer?

326 Racer X  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:53:16pm

re: #302 Killgore Trout

There's also a story circulating on Paulian sites about the boyscouts being molested and given small arms training to turn them into Obama's private army. We'll see if that makes it into the conservative blogs in the next few weeks.

I got this one Mandy.

Oh for fucks sake!

327 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:53:24pm

re: #306 gmsc

Just for that . . . take this!

YOU!

328 freetoken  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:53:25pm

re: #312 Last Mohican

That was hilarious!

It seems like something that should be at The Onion.

329 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:53:56pm

re: #316 Gus 802

Oh boy. You left out the complete title:

NOT YOUR MOTHER'S AMERICA!
Girl Scouts exposed: Lessons in lesbianism!
Communists, radical feminists cited as role models for troops!

These people are crazy.

PIYF, but you're right. That article is a perfect example of the spreading craziness.

330 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:53:56pm

re: #297 gmsc

Even if there's no one to vote for, there is always someone to vote against. That's really the only place you can go in a situation like this.

But I think that's part of the problem. We don't have people we want to vote for, we're just electing something not quite as bad. That's how we got "compassionate conservatives" on a spending spree in Washington. I'd like to vote for a fisc-con that doesn't want to push religion in science class. I can't believe it's that difficult, but I guess it is.

331 gmsc  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:53:57pm

re: #327 ggt

YOU!

I AM NOT!
(Oh, wait . . .)

332 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:54:25pm

re: #318 Steve Rogers

Anytime! :)

333 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:54:40pm

re: #316 Gus 802
That is one hell of a headline.

334 Wendya  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:55:09pm

re: #325 pingjockey

I didn't know RWR was an IDer?

Creationist. But really... after Carter and the whole trashed economy/cold war thing going on, who really gave a flying rat's ass?

His belief does not diminish my respect for him one iota.

335 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:55:12pm

Gotta go, have a great evening Lizards!

336 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:55:13pm
337 Randall Gross  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:55:23pm

The BSA hit piece is running both sides of the kookosphere btw, left and right. It harms conservatives more than the left since they already hate BSA.

338 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:55:36pm

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

PIYF, but you're right. That article is a perfect example of the spreading craziness.

I did clazy on purpose. ;)

Yeah, they probably find one example and use that as the general guideline. Then it turns into an all out paranoid article.

//Fear Bette Midler!

339 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:55:38pm

re: #302 Killgore Trout

There's also a story circulating on Paulian sites about the boyscouts being molested and given small arms training to turn them into Obama's private army. We'll see if that makes it into the conservative blogs in the next few weeks.

Which badge would that be?

340 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:55:55pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

My favorite WND article is about how tofu makes kids gay. Seriously, they write about that stuff.

Found it. Here's a quote:

With the passing of President Ford last month, his declaration, "Our long national nightmare is over" was resurrected – just in time for the beginning of a new national nightmare: the horror of facing the damage being done to us by the soybean craze.

341 HelloDare  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:55:58pm
342 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:56:15pm

re: #334 Wendya
IIRC, he also didn't run about shouting that ID should be taught as science.

343 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:56:22pm

re: #284 freetoken

Well, it appears the evolution is not the only evil that is being forced upon our children... now our daughters are subject to the horrors of.... Zen Gardens!

Girl Scouts exposed

Oh... the horror of it all... Zen gardens - what is next?

But you don't get to savor the full craziness without the full title for that article:

Girl Scouts exposed: Lessons in lesbianism

Yes. The Girl Scouts are teaching innocent young girls to be lesbians, through the horrors of world peace, yoga, incense and Zen gardens.

We're all doomed.

344 Jim D  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:56:25pm

re: #317 Wendya

If he supported the violation of the first amendment by forcing religion to be taught as science in public schools, I would not vote for him.

345 kansas  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:56:26pm

re: #334 Wendya

Creationist. But really... after Carter and the whole trashed economy/cold war thing going on, who really gave a flying rat's ass?

His belief does not diminish my respect for him one iota.

Nothing wrong with the belief as long as it's recognized as a belief properly discussed in church or history, and not science. IMO.

346 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:56:34pm

re: #341 HelloDare

Thanks- but I already own a copy.

347 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:57:23pm

I've never trusted the Girl Scouts. Their cookies are evil. ///

348 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:57:35pm

re: #302 Killgore Trout

There's also a story circulating on Paulian sites about the boyscouts being molested and given small arms training to turn them into Obama's private army. We'll see if that makes it into the conservative blogs in the next few weeks.

There was a thread at DKos about that the other day comparing the
Boy Scouts to the Hitler Youth.

349 HelloDare  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:57:36pm

re: #306 gmsc

Just for that . . . take this!

I'll see that and raise you Cute Overload.

350 kansas  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:58:01pm

re: #347 Sharmuta

I've never trusted the Girl Scouts. Their cookies are evil. ///

Yeah, and way smaller than last year.

351 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:58:17pm

re: #302 Killgore Trout

I'm sorry but, for you to even mention such a topic here is extemely disturbing.

352 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:58:20pm

re: #348 NJDhockeyfan

There was a thread at DKos about that the other day comparing the
Boy Scouts to the Hitler Youth.

That is just plain knots.

353 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:58:22pm

re: #347 Sharmuta

Thin mints and coffee for breakfast! Yum.

354 Kragar  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:58:42pm

re: #325 pingjockey

I didn't know RWR was an IDer?

Thats the point. He realized the difference between having a personal religious belief and trying to make it a national agenda.

355 Digital Display  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:58:49pm

re: #343 Charles

But you don't get to savor the full craziness with the full title for that article:

Girl Scouts exposed: Lessons in lesbianism

Yes. The Girl Scouts are teaching innocent young girls to be lesbians, through the horrors of world peace, yoga, incense and Zen gardens.

We're all doomed.

beyond belief really...

356 NelsFree  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:59:05pm

re: #293 Sharmuta

That was me, you naughty little bluey cutey! I have the "enriched" edition by Pocket books. It has some excellent background info on the authors, footnotes, and The Constitution.
I'll go out on a limb and also suggest Liberty and Tyranny, by Mark Levin.

357 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:59:14pm

re: #319 Alouette

It's really good for you and reduces the risk of a lot of types of cancer. We should all be eating more tofu. Fry it, everything's better fried.

358 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:59:18pm

re: #343 Charles

But you don't get to savor the full craziness with the full title for that article:

Girl Scouts exposed: Lessons in lesbianism

Yes. The Girl Scouts are teaching innocent young girls to be lesbians, through the horrors of world peace, yoga, incense and Zen gardens.

We're all doomed.

Uh oh. I messed around with yoga when I was around 8. Later in life I read that famous Betty Friedan book. I even dabbled in world peace and folk music. Never did the zen thing.

What could this mean?!?!?

359 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:59:27pm

re: #302 Killgore Trout

There's also a story circulating on Paulian sites about the boyscouts being molested and given small arms training to turn them into Obama's private army. We'll see if that makes it into the conservative blogs in the next few weeks.

One LGFer posted a link to such a story here. It was on his own blog. Charles killed it.

I don't know about the "molested" part, but the suggestion was that the Explorers program (a co-ed affiliate of the BSA) was training and arming Obama's "civilian defense force," under the guise of a program designed to introduce kids to careers in law enforcement.

360 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:59:29pm

re: #300 negativ

The Texas GOP platform (PDF) contains the following:

Theories of Origin – We support objective teaching and equal treatment of strengths and weaknesses of scientific theories, including Intelligent Design. We believe theories of life origins and environmental theories should be taught as scientific theory, not scientific law.
(page 17)

How scary is this?

361 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:59:43pm

re: #358 Gus 802

Uh oh. I messed around with yoga when I was around 8. Later in life I read that famous Betty Friedan book. I even dabbled in world peace and folk music. Never did the zen thing.

What could this mean?!?!?

You're a lesbian! ;)

362 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:59:53pm

re: #343 Charles

But you don't get to savor the full craziness without the full title for that article:

Girl Scouts exposed: Lessons in lesbianism

Yes. The Girl Scouts are teaching innocent young girls to be lesbians, through the horrors of world peace, yoga, incense and Zen gardens.

We're all doomed.

The Lesbian badge has got to be better than the Commie Gun Killing Badge.

363 kansas  Mon, May 18, 2009 7:59:54pm

re: #348 NJDhockeyfan

There was a thread at DKos about that the other day comparing the
Boy Scouts to the Hitler Youth.

Excuse me, but fuck DKos.

364 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:00:00pm

re: #354 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Yeah, i forgot the tag.

365 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:00:12pm

re: #347 Sharmuta

I've never trusted the Girl Scouts. Their cookies are evil. ///

You got that. I came down with some sort of illness back in the 90's one afternoon when I ate 3 boxes of thin mints. I was sick for days.

366 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:00:29pm

re: #361 Sharmuta

You're a lesbian! ;)

Right. Typical male. ;)

//

367 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:01:20pm

re: #330 Sharmuta

But I think that's part of the problem. We don't have people we want to vote for, we're just electing something not quite as bad. That's how we got "compassionate conservatives" on a spending spree in Washington. I'd like to vote for a fisc-con that doesn't want to push religion in science class. I can't believe it's that difficult, but I guess it is.

This might be a guy to watch:
Anh Joseph Cao
He replaced William Jefferson

368 gmsc  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:01:22pm

re: #361 Sharmuta

You're a lesbian! ;)

Just like Jamie Farr!
;)

369 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:01:43pm

re: #351 MandyManners

Sorry, creepy but true. I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see the story filter up to the mainstream conservative blogs in the next few weeks. This is the world we live in.

370 doppelganglander  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:01:44pm

re: #359 Last Mohican

One LGFer posted a link to such a story here. It was on his own blog. Charles killed it.

I don't know about the "molested" part, but the suggestion was that the Explorers program (a co-ed affiliate of the BSA) was training and arming Obama's "civilian defense force," under the guise of a program designed to introduce kids to careers in law enforcement.

Around here, they mostly spend their time directing traffic at the fairgrounds.

371 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:02:05pm

re: #358 Gus 802

Uh oh. I messed around with yoga when I was around 8. Later in life I read that famous Betty Friedan book. I even dabbled in world peace and folk music. Never did the zen thing.

What could this mean?!?!?

My mom did yoga when I was a kid. Every day I came home from school, she was standing on her head. Really. I thought all mothers stood on their heads.

I was also a GS for 14 years.... hmmmm.....

372 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:02:11pm

re: #365 Walter L. Newton

You got that. I came down with some sort of illness back in the 90's one afternoon when I ate 3 boxes of thin mints. I was sick for days.

I ate a whole box of Tagalongs once. I was a lesbian for about a month and a half. Still haven't shaved my armpits since.

373 Ojoe  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:02:27pm

South Carolina was the first state to secede from the Union, Dec. 20. 1860

374 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:02:34pm

re: #356 NelsFree

No offense, but I'm skipping pundit books at this time. Working on a lengthly book list as it is. After I finish A Conflict of Visions I have 3 histories and an autobiography to read, and after that, a couple more science books. Then there are the political theory books mentioned in Conflict that I plan to read, so- I'm swamped.

375 NelsFree  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:02:42pm

re: #341 HelloDare

Bookmarked, and thank you. Good night all.

376 Digital Display  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:02:47pm

re: #358 Gus 802

Uh oh. I messed around with yoga when I was around 8. Later in life I read that famous Betty Friedan book. I even dabbled in world peace and folk music. Never did the zen thing.

What could this mean?!?!?


Never ever ever dabble in world peace...Ever...
Unless you are running for Miss Universe...

377 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:02:52pm

re: #365 Walter L. Newton
Walter, had one of my troops with a daughter in the scouts, IIRC she always won the most money raised! We'd have boxes of thin mints stashed in sonar control and all the equipment spaces. The little girl probably made 2 grand just from us!

378 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:03:07pm

I'm outta' here.

Snarky, motherfucking shit from non-snarky, non-motherfucking Lizards makes me wonder.

379 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:03:15pm

I ate a box of thin mints once before a high school debate.

it made me quite a cunning linguist

380 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:03:22pm

re: #371 American Sabra

My mom did yoga when I was a kid. Every day I came home from school, she was standing on her head. Really. I thought all mothers stood on their heads.

I was also a GS for 14 years.... hmmmm.....

GS?

381 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:03:28pm

re: #370 doppelganglander

Around here, they mostly spend their time directing traffic at the fairgrounds.

By "fairgrounds," I assume you mean secret New World Order FEMA indoctrination camps, right?

/

382 Randall Gross  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:03:35pm

re: #359 Last Mohican

One LGFer posted a link to such a story here. It was on his own blog. Charles killed it.

I don't know about the "molested" part, but the suggestion was that the Explorers program (a co-ed affiliate of the BSA) was training and arming Obama's "civilian defense force," under the guise of a program designed to introduce kids to careers in law enforcement.

Explorer scouts have had traning and ride along programs with most branches of law enforcement for decades. NYT did a bit on how they were training with Homeland security on border raids, terrorism, etc. and some long past molestation scandals. The paleosphere, the paulosphere, and the jonesosphere went immediately to "Obama's SekrEt CiViliaN Armeeeees!" with no real linkage whatsoever

383 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:03:50pm

re: #380 Gus 802

GS?

Girl Scout. Haven't you been following the discussion?

384 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:04:00pm

I'm sure there's a Brownie joke in here somewhere, but I don't know you people well enough.

385 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:04:06pm

re: #343 Charles

But you don't get to savor the full craziness without the full title for that article:

Girl Scouts exposed: Lessons in lesbianism

Yes. The Girl Scouts are teaching innocent young girls to be lesbians, through the horrors of world peace, yoga, incense and Zen gardens.

We're all doomed.

Oh my goodness, here is a quote of some of the vile and crass ideas that the girl scouts are teaching our young ladies...

"Life is a maze. Navigate its twists and turns and you'll find true friendships, meaningful relationships, and lots of confidence to boot. So, go ahead, enter the maze. The goal is peace – for you, your world, and the planet, too."

Get me an exorcist.

386 Ojoe  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:04:06pm

re: #302 Killgore Trout

As a scouter I can say that the BSA has very tight policies to keep molestation out.

387 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:04:13pm

re: #376 HoosierHoops

Never ever ever dabble in world peace...Ever...
Unless you are running for Miss Universe...

Oops, I forgot about that.

"I visualize whirled peas!"

//

388 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:04:17pm

Just not big into pundits anymore.

389 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:04:28pm

re: #380 Gus 802

GS?

Girl Scout.

390 Kragar  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:04:49pm

re: #370 doppelganglander

Around here, they mostly spend their time directing traffic at the fairgrounds.

Thats just what they want you to think.

/

391 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:04:51pm

re: #378 MandyManners
G'night!

392 Wendya  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:04:58pm

re: #342 pingjockey

IIRC, he also didn't run about shouting that ID should be taught as science.

He was asked about it in 1980 and responded that he did think creationism should be taught along with evolution.

393 Ojoe  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:05:09pm

re: #382 Thanos

My explorer unit did search & rescue in the San Gabriel Mountains.

The Paulians are nuts.

394 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:05:15pm

re: #367 reine.de.tout

Ironically I think it is immigrants who will revive the conservative movement in America. Many of them, especially those from Asia, have much stronger "American values" than most Americans do.

395 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:05:20pm

re: #389 American Sabra

Girl Scout.

Right.

//Palm on forehead.

396 NelsFree  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:05:25pm

re: #374 Sharmuta

No offense, but I'm skipping pundit books at this time. Working on a lengthly book list as it is. After I finish A Conflict of Visions I have 3 histories and an autobiography to read, and after that, a couple more science books. Then there are the political theory books mentioned in Conflict that I plan to read, so- I'm swamped.

I bet you're cute in cattails
/h

397 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:05:25pm

re: #384 American Sabra

I'm sure there's a Brownie joke in here somewhere, but I don't know you people well enough.

A brownie joke

398 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:06:02pm

re: #386 Ojoe

I was a scout and was never diddled.

399 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:06:05pm

On my honor
I will try
To do my duty
To God and my country
To help other people at all times
And to obey the Girl Scout laws.

That was the pledge when I was in Scouts.

400 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:06:13pm

re: #392 Wendya
I did not know that. Why didn't the msm bring that up?

401 Kronocide  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:06:15pm

Since Mandy sweated me into being a GOPer, I just read through their platform. Nothing about ID/Creationism in schools, whew. I have a problem with this though:

The members of the Hawaii Republican Party, the party of Prince Jonah Kuhio Kalanianaole, value the traditional Hawaiian culture and recognize it as the essence and spirit of our island home. We believe that the resolutions of issues facing Hawaiians are matters for Hawaiians to resolve.

Hawaii’s Republicans advocate:
Providing every qualified native Hawaiian beneficiary on the waiting list an opportunity for home ownership or land stewardship on homestead land.
Resolution of the claims that were filed by native Hawaiians for the mismanagement of the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands by the collaboration of the Hawaiian Homes Commission, Attorney General, Administration/Executive Branch and the legislature.

Making it possible for individuals to secure their homesteads for themselves and their families by supporting the provisions of loans for the purpose of building a primary residence on their homesteads.
Encouraging Hawaiians to support initiatives leading to implementation of Hawaiian self determination by popular vote of the Hawaiian people.

402 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:06:19pm

re: #396 NelsFree

I'm cute in all kinds of things. ;p

403 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:06:47pm

re: #397 Shug

A brownie joke

No THAT'S a Brownie joke!

404 doppelganglander  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:06:56pm

re: #381 Last Mohican

By "fairgrounds," I assume you mean secret New World Order FEMA indoctrination camps, right?

/

That would explain all the clowns, wouldn't it?

405 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:06:58pm

re: #403 American Sabra

No THAT'S a Brownie joke!

Now :)

406 HelloDare  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:07:04pm

re: #362 American Sabra

The Lesbian badge has got to be better than the Commie Gun Killing Badge.

The lesbian badge is a Let's Get Cooking badge sewn face down on top of another Let's Get Cooking badge.


List of Girl Scout Badges

407 kansas  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:07:34pm

Here's the Obama Army:

408 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:08:25pm

All I remember about the Boy Scouts from when I was a member, back in the days when WASPs were king and troops were all white, with maybe an Asian kid as whipping boy, was that the "clean in thought, word and deed" motto disappeared once we got out in the woods for our first hike and overnight camp. The entire time I was terrorized by older boys explaining in no uncertain terms what was expected of the new guys. We were to be sex toys. I had to feign illness to get out of that hell.

What people consider to be healthy recreation for their kids!

409 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:08:40pm

For Wilco fans, live advance stream of the new album available here.

410 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:08:41pm

re: #363 kansas

Excuse me, but fuck DKos.

Here it is:

US' own Hitler Youth

411 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:08:45pm
412 Randall Gross  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:08:54pm

re: #393 Ojoe

My explorer unit did search & rescue in the San Gabriel Mountains.

The Paulians are nuts.

The rightosphere should have sniffed the bait by the fact that the NYT ran it, and that the leftosphere was all over it immediately because it was a hit on BSA.

413 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:08:59pm

re: #407 kansas

what a chubby army

414 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:09:35pm

re: #408 Cato the Elder

Kinda' shocking.

415 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:09:39pm

re: #406 HelloDare

Huh, I was expecting to see a bunch of bullshit about knitting but it seems they're putting a good amount of focus on science. Kudos to the zen lesbian gardeners!

416 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:09:55pm

re: #386 Ojoe

See my #408. What about kids molesting kids?

417 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:09:59pm
418 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:10:18pm

re: #410 NJDhockeyfan

Here it is:

US' own Hitler Youth

Gotta love it. First we have Girl Scouts as communist lesbians and then we have Boy Scouts as Hitler Youth.

What will they think of next?

//Humans.

419 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:10:23pm

re: #411 MandyManners

Right...and me and you never use bad language! Bwahaha!

420 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:10:24pm

re: #382 Thanos

Explorer scouts have had traning and ride along programs with most branches of law enforcement for decades. NYT did a bit on how they were training with Homeland security on border raids, terrorism, etc. and some long past molestation scandals. The paleosphere, the paulosphere, and the jonesosphere went immediately to "Obama's SekrEt CiViliaN Armeeeees!" with no real linkage whatsoever

Here is the NYT article. They do their best to smear the Explorers program, and make it look like the kids in their law enforcement program are a bunch of sick, budding sociopathic fascists.

421 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:10:36pm

re: #394 JohnAdams

Ironically I think it is immigrants who will revive the conservative movement in America. Many of them, especially those from Asia, have much stronger "American values" than most Americans do.

crap. I just realized he was not born here, but came here at age 8.

422 kansas  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:11:01pm

re: #410 NJDhockeyfan

Here it is:

US' own Hitler Youth

Thanks. Didn't make me think of Hitler youth. This did, though.

423 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:11:18pm

re: #349 HelloDare

I'll see that and raise you Cute Overload.

From that site:

Uber-Cute

424 SummerSong  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:11:30pm

re: #358 Gus 802

Uh oh. I messed around with yoga when I was around 8. Later in life I read that famous Betty Friedan book. I even dabbled in world peace and folk music. Never did the zen thing.

What could this mean?!?!?

I've tried yoga a few times. I'm obviously not mature enough to handle it.
The constant farting by fellow mat mates makes me laugh out loud and it's been made clear to me that while farting is acceptable, laughing about it is not.

425 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:11:37pm
426 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:11:55pm
427 dapperdave  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:12:08pm

Not to stray from the topic but this guy from Nevada could be a possible contender in 2012, Jim Gibbons (R) has anyone heard of him? I was just reading this article and he takes b.o. to task.

[Link: www.ktnv.com...]

428 Spare O'Lake  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:12:22pm

Many years ago I once ate a whole box of Girl Guide Cookies in one evening while cramming for an exam.
Yummy.

429 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:12:23pm

re: #408 Cato the Elder
What kind of weirdos were you scouting with? Are big uproar on campouts was to put a can of beans in the fire and wait for it to explode.

430 MandyManners  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:12:24pm

The dark, sacred night.

431 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:12:29pm

re: #424 SummerSong

I've tried yoga a few times. I'm obviously not mature enough to handle it.
The constant farting by fellow mat mates makes me laugh out loud and it's been made clear to me that while farting is acceptable, laughing about it is not.

It's perfectly OK to laugh in the classes I take.
You shoulda found a different class.

432 HelloDare  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:12:32pm

re: #415 Killgore Trout

Huh, I was expecting to see a bunch of bullshit about knitting but it seems they're putting a good amount of focus on science. Kudos to the zen lesbian gardeners!

Have any guess what this badge might be about?

76. Oil Up.

433 Wendya  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:12:44pm

re: #400 pingjockey

I did not know that. Why didn't the msm bring that up?

It wasn't an issue at the time. On one side we had a trashed economy and disastrous foreign policy. No one was going to insist on a completely secular and religiously sterile President. Iran Hostage crisis vs a belief in creationism? Gee... we'd sure like to get rid of Carter but that other guy is a religious kook!

///

434 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:12:59pm

re: #406 HelloDare

lol Actually I adored Scouting. Why I stayed in it so long. And I still have my badges which are comletely different now. It depends on the leader really.

435 rain of lead  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:13:03pm

re: #399 American Sabra

On my honor
I will try
To do my duty
To God and my country
To help other people at all times
And to obey the Girl Scout laws.

That was the pledge when I was in Scouts.

still is.
dad of a daisy scout

436 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:13:10pm

re: #415 Killgore Trout

Huh, I was expecting to see a bunch of bullshit about knitting but it seems they're putting a good amount of focus on science. Kudos to the zen lesbian gardeners!

I think the reason kooks like WND, who promote ID and anti-vaxer shit, are going against the Girl Scouts is because it's a *gasp* feminist organization. We don't want girls thinking they can control their life, or anything crazy like that. They might start getting uppity. The Girl Scouts goes against the radical religious agenda some folks are pushing.

437 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:13:15pm

re: #418 Gus 802

Gotta love it. First we have Girl Scouts as communist lesbians and then we have Boy Scouts as Hitler Youth.

Yes, as we laugh at the insanity of World Net Daily, it's worth remembering that our old friends at Kos remain just as hateful and bat-sh*t crazy as they ever were.

438 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:13:21pm

re: #420 Last Mohican

Here is the NYT article. They do their best to smear the Explorers program, and make it look like the kids in their law enforcement program are a bunch of sick, budding sociopathic fascists.

I don't know about fascists, but the kids in my scout troop were the sickest little psychopaths I was ever forced to share space with. See my #408.

439 Bloodnok  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:13:31pm

Have a good night Lizards!

440 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:13:34pm

re: #408 Cato the Elder

All I remember about the Boy Scouts from when I was a member, back in the days when WASPs were king and troops were all white, with maybe an Asian kid as whipping boy, was that the "clean in thought, word and deed" motto disappeared once we got out in the woods for our first hike and overnight camp. The entire time I was terrorized by older boys explaining in no uncertain terms what was expected of the new guys. We were to be sex toys. I had to feign illness to get out of that hell.

What people consider to be healthy recreation for their kids!

What the hell...?

I was in the Scouts, and I can't say I enjoyed it, but there was none of that disgusting crap when I was in it. It wasn't even hinted at.

441 Mich-again  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:14:05pm

The ID nonsense is so old hat. These people work so hard to memorize the same wrong talking points and then go embarrass themselves by reciting them out loud when there are people listening to them. Here is a 15 year old article from Time Magazine that Karen Floyd should read before she speaks on the subject again. Dissent, Dogma and Darwin's Dog by Philip Dunne Monday, Jan. 15, 1990

...There is no theory of life's origin in Darwin's work. True to his title, On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, Darwin confined himself to describing the process by which new species, including our own, have evolved from the old. In a letter to American botanist Asa Gray, he dismissed all theological pretensions on his part with the words: "A dog might as well speculate on the mind of Newton."
442 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:14:22pm

Don't teach your daughters skills that might allow them to live independently! GAH!

//// should I add a few more? /////

443 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:14:34pm

re: #399 American Sabra

On my honor
I will try
To do my duty
To God and my country
To help other people at all times
And to obey the Girl Scout laws.

That was the pledge when I was in Scouts.

What are the Girl Scout Laws?

444 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:14:37pm

re: #433 Wendya
I just remember that after RWR was elected he, by himself was going to nuke the planet to kill the commies. As far as the msm was concerned.

445 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:14:53pm

re: #421 reine.de.tout

crap. I just realized he was not born here, but came here at age 8.

Nothing wrong with that, unless you were thinking of him as POTUS. I trained in the Marines with a kid from Texas, who was an immigrant from the Vietnam war, and he was one of the biggest badass Marines you'll ever see.

I firmly believe our orientation as a country this century should be re-pointed toward Asia, and away from Europe.

446 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:14:58pm

re: #435 rain of lead

still is.
dad of a daisy scout

Oh! Good to hear!

447 SummerSong  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:15:16pm

re: #431 reine.de.tout

It's perfectly OK to laugh in the classes I take.
You shoulda found a different class.

I've tried three different locations. I've settled on a DVD at home.

448 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:15:26pm
449 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:15:34pm

re: #436 Sharmuta

I think the reason kooks like WND, who promote ID and anti-vaxer shit, are going against the Girl Scouts is because it's a *gasp* feminist organization. We don't want girls thinking they can control their life, or anything crazy like that. They might start getting uppity. The Girl Scouts goes against the radical religious agenda some folks are pushing.

Yeah, the prurient hyperventilating about "lesbianism" is a bit of a "tell' there.

450 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:16:11pm

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

(I remembered it.....)

451 gmsc  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:16:27pm

OT: I was just reading Soak The Rich Lose The Rich, and I had to bust out laughing!

There's an ad for the Michigan Economic Development Corporation (the "Michigan: The Upper Hand" ads). The headline states "Click here to see where we can take your business"!

OK, 2 responses to that:

1. Everybody knows where Michigan can take your business. That's why the state is in the economic situation it's in.

2. "Where we can take your business"? Well, we already know Michigan businesses can be taken directly to the Federal Government.

452 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:16:39pm

re: #437 Last Mohican

Yes, as we laugh at the insanity of World Net Daily, it's worth remembering that our old friends at Kos remain just as hateful and bat-sh*t crazy as they ever were.

Never a dull moment with the crazies and never a shortage of craziness.

453 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:17:04pm

re: #443 Alouette

What are the Girl Scout Laws?

I don't remember! Maybe someone who has a scout could say. We had two very large books, one for Brownies, one for Scouts and I believe they're in there. I made the miserable mistake of loaning them to a friend to teach her Sunday School class and never got them back :(

454 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:17:15pm

re: #411 MandyManners

They really say, "I love you".

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

Wow, what a gagger. Thread-worthy.

455 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:17:25pm

re: #429 pingjockey

What kind of weirdos were you scouting with? Are big uproar on campouts was to put a can of beans in the fire and wait for it to explode.

White-bread, suburban, Christian weirdos.

It is thanks to them that I learned to hate and avoid groups of more than five people.

456 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:17:36pm

not to mention....

A Scout is....

trustworthy
loyal
helpful
friendly
courteous
kind
obedient
cheerful
thrifty
brave
clean
and -
reverent

457 HelloDare  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:17:42pm

re: #432 HelloDare

Have any guess what this badge might be about?

76. Oil Up.

Oil Up!
This slick workshop will have
your Scouts learning all about
oil and why it’s so important
for our world. Girls will discover the origins
of oil and design a map showing all the
current major deposits around the world.
Also, Scouts learn about the many different
types of petroleum-based products, from
plastic toys to computer CDs! Lastly, they
will find out how oil spills affect our
beaches.

458 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:17:49pm

re: #424 SummerSong

I actually really like the exercise aspect of yoga, but the constant new-age bullshit rap throughout is almost too much to take. Just shut the hell up and tell me what to do.

459 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:17:55pm

re: #411 MandyManners

They really say, "I love you".

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

And these are the people Obama was taught by. The feeling of doom hangs heavy over me.

460 Ojoe  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:18:32pm

re: #416 Cato the Elder

Since about 1980 there have been big changes in how Scouts are run. All adults have to take youth protection training, and renew it every 2 or 3 years. The youth get to see videos about avoiding these kinds of things. BSA has become very proactive about keeping scouting a safe experience. There is a "2 deep" leadership policy for instance.

461 avanti  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:18:33pm

re: #427 dapperdave

Not to stray from the topic but this guy from Nevada could be a possible contender in 2012, Jim Gibbons (R) has anyone heard of him? I was just reading this article and he takes b.o. to task.

[Link: www.ktnv.com...]

You might one to do a quick Google on Jim Gibbons, he's not POTUS material.

462 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:18:35pm

re: #455 Cato the Elder

bummer Dude

/Big Lebowski off

463 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:18:53pm

re: #451 gmsc

OT: I was just reading Soak The Rich Lose The Rich, and I had to bust out laughing!

There's an ad for the Michigan Economic Development Corporation (the "Michigan: The Upper Hand" ads). The headline states "Click here to see where we can take your business"!

OK, 2 responses to that:

1. Everybody knows where Michigan can take your business. That's why the state is in the economic situation it's in.

2. "Where we can take your business"? Well, we already know Michigan businesses can be taken directly to the Federal Government.

...or Mexico.

464 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:19:17pm

re: #456 windhorse

not to mention....

A Scout is....

trustworthy
loyal
helpful
friendly
courteous
kind
obedient
cheerful
thrifty
brave
clean
and -
reverent

And comparing this to what I saw in my fellow scouts gave me my first thorough grounding in the meaning of hypocrisy.

465 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:19:30pm

re: #455 Cato the Elder
That sucks, I'm sorry. I grew up out here in the wilds of eastern WA state and farts were considered high entertainment or frogs, bull snakes into sleeping bags.

466 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:19:31pm

re: #449 Zimriel

Not just that, Zim- feminism in general. When you have radical organizations like the Ahmanson Foundation pushing Christian Reconstructionism, they're going to be opposed to feminist goals. These people want to stone women for having sex out of wed lock. Surely they think my place is in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant and not at a Girl Scout meeting teaching girls how to live their own lives.

467 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:19:52pm

my kids and I tried the Scouts.... three troops.... all (apparently) emanating out of Chicago.

We gave up.

468 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:20:34pm

re: #466 Sharmuta

Not just that, Zim- feminism in general. When you have radical organizations like the Ahmanson Foundation pushing Christian Reconstructionism, they're going to be opposed to feminist goals. These people want to stone women for having sex out of wed lock. Surely they think my place is in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant and not at a Girl Scout meeting teaching girls how to live their own lives.

Who was that paleo-con author that was mentioned a couple of nights ago? The one that supports stoning so to speak.

469 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:21:07pm

re: #468 Gus 802

Who was that paleo-con author that was mentioned a couple of nights ago? The one that supports stoning so to speak.

Gary North?

470 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:22:01pm

re: #464 Cato the Elder

I think (after the experience I had with my kids) that I had been part of a group that was extraordinary.

My experience with my kids showed me adult leaders that were so insecure with themselves as to be laughable. They had no business being in Scouting. The kids in all of the troops were, as a result, lvery "unDude".

471 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:22:14pm

re: #469 Sharmuta

Gary North?

Right. He would be one to promote what you mentioned previously. Isn't he a Reconstructionist?

472 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:22:36pm

Gary North likely doesn't approve of feminism. He's a Christian Reconstructionist, and he supports going back to the gold standard. Where have I heard that lately?

473 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:22:48pm

re: #471 Gus 802

Right. He would be one to promote what you mentioned previously. Isn't he a Reconstructionist?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

474 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:23:34pm

re: #472 Sharmuta
LUAP NOR!

475 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:23:36pm

Speaking of dikes and gardening......
My fat lesbian neighbor is trying to mow her lawn. She's so fat that she has to be in one of those scooter things. I try not to get too involved because I don't want to become somebody's care taker. A few weeks ago her knees gave out while trying to get a pile of cakes and cookies from her car to her house. It was really depressing bushing the dirt off frosting and helping her up again.
Well, I can't stand watching this so I'm off to mow a fucking lawn. Looks like it's going to gain soon.

476 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:23:50pm

re: #54 doppelganglander

This dingbat ran unopposed. If no one in the state party organization is willing to run for chairman, this is what you end up with. Even in a place with as many knuckle-dragging morons as South Carolina, surely there's someone out there to challenge this fool.

*AHEM* I am a knuckle-dragging moron who probably would have opposed her in a heart beat, just not one in SC.

477 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:23:51pm

re: #472 Sharmuta

Gary North likely doesn't approve of feminism. He's a Christian Reconstructionist, and he supports going back to the gold standard. Where have I heard that lately?

Federalist #10? :^)

478 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:24:13pm

re: #473 Sharmuta

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Perfect. Thanks.

479 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:25:07pm
480 dapperdave  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:25:10pm

re: #461 avanti


OUCH! thanks.

481 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:25:14pm

OT, the boys are watching a Blue Men vid and now want me to go to the hardwork store and get mass quantities of PVC pipe so they can build instruments.

482 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:25:36pm

re: #476 FurryOldGuyJeans

*AHEM* I am a knuckle-dragging moron who probably would have opposed her in a heart beat, just not one in SC.

You'd have been pasted in the election but then, someone's got to get out there and embarrass these clowns...

483 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:25:41pm

anyone (not from Europe) who uses commas instead of decimals is a phony.....imo

484 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:25:48pm

re: #465 pingjockey

That sucks, I'm sorry. I grew up out here in the wilds of eastern WA state and farts were considered high entertainment or frogs, bull snakes into sleeping bags.

Thanks. I haven't even thought about this for a decade or so, but it's all coming back tonight. I loved the campfires and learning Morse code and stuff. It was the other kids that spoiled it for me. And in those days one would have died before saying anything to the adults in charge, plus the little perverts would just have denied it.

Note that nothing ever happened - it was all talk. But there was a lot of it, and as a rather timid kid to begin with, it sickened me.

485 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:25:58pm

re: #443 Alouette

What are the Girl Scout Laws?

Actually, they just adopted a new set of laws at the big national GSA Wymyn's Circle last month:

1. A scout shall always share the power of her healing crystal with another scout in need.
2. During a campout, always keep your incense in a small plastic baggie in case it rains.
3. All love other than lesbian love is merely hatred and subjugation, crudely disguised.
4. The workers must control the means of production.
5. Jesus is a fiction of the patriarchical hegemony. Worship only Gaia.

486 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:26:16pm

re: #475 Killgore Trout
You're a good neighbor.

487 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:26:55pm

re: #481 pingjockey

OT, the boys are watching a Blue Men vid and now want me to go to the hardwork store and get mass quantities of PVC pipe so they can build instruments.

Do they want you to buy a case of TP too?

488 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:27:09pm

re: #475 Killgore Trout

Will you pay to have the spew cleaned from my keyboard? That was hilarious.

489 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:27:18pm

re: #481 pingjockey

OT, the boys are watching a Blue Men vid and now want me to go to the hardwork store and get mass quantities of PVC pipe so they can build instruments.

If I were you, I'd keep a real close eye on where this is going.

490 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:27:18pm

re: #484 Cato the Elder
Kids can be, hell are ruthless.

491 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:27:49pm

re: #485 Last Mohican

6. Cry and wail whenever you see old growth timber that has been slughtered needlessly to make reeeally soft toilet paper.

492 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:27:49pm

re: #479 JohnAdams

Anybody who tells my daughter what she can or can't do because of her gender is going to get two barrels in their face. And I am religious.

These are radical religionists. Most Christians in this country do not subscribe to the philosophy of the Reconstructionists. These people want to return to Biblical law, so that even blaspheme would be a capital crime.

493 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:27:58pm

re: #487 NJDhockeyfan
Not yet!

494 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:28:03pm

a

495 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:28:22pm

re: #482 Zimriel

You'd have been pasted in the election but then, someone's got to get out there and embarrass these clowns...

Life has been doing that for quite a few years not, pasting me, so getting crapped on by the electorate wouldn't be anything new.

496 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:29:20pm

re: #485 Last Mohican

They must call you butter, 'cause you're on a roll.

497 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:29:24pm

re: #495 FurryOldGuyJeans

Life has been doing that for quite a few years not now, pasting me, so getting crapped on by the electorate wouldn't be anything new.

*sigh* My post click is faster than my preview.

498 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:29:33pm

re: #489 Last Mohican
Heh. We already have the plans for a back yard trebouchet and I have to sets of old car leaf springs to maybe build a ballistae.

499 ilzito guacamolito  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:29:36pm

I am doubtless not the first, but I leave you with this quote nonetheless -

Property is the fruit of labor...property is desirable...is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built.
- ABRAHAM LINCOLN


Have a good night all.

500 Irenicum  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:29:41pm

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

Amen! (if that's appropriate!)

501 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:29:49pm

re: #494 windhorse

a

b

502 ladycatnip  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:30:39pm

Really OT - U.S. admits training the Palestinian Armed forces, while PA is negotiating with Hamas.

503 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:30:44pm

re: #492 Sharmuta

These are radical religionists. Most Christians in this country do not subscribe to the philosophy of the Reconstructionists. These people want to return to Biblical law, so that even blaspheme would be a capital crime.

So they want Christian Sharia. Over my dead body.

504 American Sabra  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:30:51pm

I heard something on Colbert tonight. Do you guys like Colbert? He said, "Catholics that believe in choice are called Protestants." Ooooo!

505 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:30:59pm

Since it's still Monday...

Stormy Monday

506 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:31:31pm

re: #490 pingjockey

Kids can be, hell are ruthless.

I'm pretty sure they started that with Cato because they knew it bothered him. The same stuff happens in boarding school. Nobody took it seriously.

(I mean, except for the ones who actually were gay. It was pretty obvious which ones they were, though. And they weren't the ones cracking the jokes.)

507 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:31:43pm

re: #499 ilzito guacamolito

I am doubtless not the first, but I leave you with this quote nonetheless -

Property is the fruit of labor...property is desirable...is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built.
- ABRAHAM LINCOLN

Have a good night all.

Well, dang. That's quite nice. Don't be a stranger. And a lovely evening to you.

508 HelloDare  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:31:47pm

The Communists Are Out, India's Market Soars

— India's stock market surged an unprecedented 17%, forcing trade to close for the day, after the Congress Party's definitive victory in national elections set the scene for long-delayed economic reforms. Within seconds of trading, the Bombay Stock Exchange's benchmark Sensex vaulted 2,110.79 points, or 17.3%, to 14,284.21, triggering the historic shutdown Monday (see chart above). Infrastructure, banking and real estate companies led gains.

Putting to rest fears of an unwieldy coalition, the victory raised hopes of a revival in foreign direct investment and economic growth, as well as tax reform and significant infrastructure spending. The near collapse of India's once powerful communist parties — which lost more than half their parliamentary seats — paves the way for long-awaited economic reforms, many of which the Left had blocked over the last five years.

509 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:32:24pm

re: #475 Killgore Trout

Speaking of dikes and gardening......
My fat lesbian neighbor is trying to mow her lawn. She's so fat that she has to be in one of those scooter things. I try not to get too involved because I don't want to become somebody's care taker. A few weeks ago her knees gave out while trying to get a pile of cakes and cookies from her car to her house. It was really depressing bushing the dirt off frosting and helping her up again.
Well, I can't stand watching this so I'm off to mow a fucking lawn. Looks like it's going to gain soon.

You're a good guy, Killgore. And funny, too.

510 ThingFish  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:33:20pm

As a proud South Carolinian, I have no words...

*buries face in hands

511 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:33:24pm

re: #281 Wendya

Everyone is pretty hysterical since the election.

Everyone.

This is not an unexpected result in an election that took a huge lurch into moonbat land. People on the social right feel threatened and they respond by shoving back. It's way too early to be panicking and debating ideological purges. The party will probably lurch further right than desired for the 2010 election, particularly in the South. That doesn't mean it will stay there.

I think you are on the right track. The GOP took a lot of wounds in the '08 election, and they are hurting, and flailing about trying to pin the blame on something. Or someone. So all the nuts emerge from the woodwork, and ride off madly in all directions on their hobbyhorses.

We are watching a process of catharsis, and it's not a pretty sight. My gut feeling is that the solid, credible leaders, and would-be leaders are simply lying low for now, and waiting for the fever to run its course. The only good thing about the entire process is that it has begun so early in the election cycle that there is indeed a chance it will have run its course by the time the next election rolls around. It'd be much worse if the nutbars lay doggo until the mid-terms, and only then began to emerge.

512 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:33:26pm

If somebody eggs, TP's and dog-craps a house, is it a hate crime?

Miami police think so.

513 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:33:59pm

re: #508 HelloDare
India has shit canned its commies while ours are merrily trying to put us into debttors prison.

514 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:34:11pm

re: #498 pingjockey

Heh. We already have the plans for a back yard trebouchet and I have to sets of old car leaf springs to maybe build a ballistae.

Oh, man. If I were your neighbors, I'd be widening my moat right about now.

515 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:34:11pm

re: #503 FurryOldGuyJeans

So they want Christian Sharia. Over my dead body.

If you read up on them, pretty much, yes. Folks get upset about it, but it's easy enough online to read what these people advocate.

516 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:34:13pm

re: #475 Killgore Trout

Speaking of dikes and gardening......
My fat lesbian neighbor is trying to mow her lawn. She's so fat that she has to be in one of those scooter things. I try not to get too involved because I don't want to become somebody's care taker. A few weeks ago her knees gave out while trying to get a pile of cakes and cookies from her car to her house. It was really depressing bushing the dirt off frosting and helping her up again.
Well, I can't stand watching this so I'm off to mow a fucking lawn. Looks like it's going to gain soon.

Ok Killgore, for some reason, that post above is horrible. I would rather you keep you nasty descriptions to yourself.

I hope you never have to deal with being fat, stumbling with being physically unfit, and what in heavens name does her sexual preference have to do with the lawn?

Are you drunk?

That's a fucking nasty post.

517 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:34:18pm

re: #501 FurryOldGuyJeans

I was attempting to resolve a typo earlier......... :)

518 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:34:48pm

re: #512 Alouette

If somebody eggs, TP's and dog-craps a house, is it a hate crime?

Miami police think so.

Uh oh...that means I am guilty of many hate crimes when I was a kid.

519 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:35:02pm

re: #516 Walter L. Newton

If you think it's not a nice post, why do you click the quote function?

520 gmsc  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:35:03pm

re: #512 Alouette

If somebody eggs, TP's and dog-craps a house, is it a hate crime?

Miami police think so.

Would somebody define "hate crime"? You don't commit a crime against some because you love them.

521 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:35:46pm

re: #517 windhorse

I was attempting to resolve a typo earlier......... :)

You mean you weren't starting an alphabet thread?

Man, you sure harshed my buzz. ;)

522 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:35:48pm

re: #514 Last Mohican
Nah, my bro has some acreage up the river and we can experiment with no neighbor issues!

523 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:36:35pm

Why not just change the name of the GOP to "The party of God"?

Oh - I forgot. Hezbollah already took that name.

Darn.

/

524 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:36:40pm

Gary North also worked for ron paul.

525 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:36:43pm

re: #488 JohnAdams

Will you pay to have the spew cleaned from my keyboard? That was hilarious.

Yea, really funny fucktard. I hope you never have to deal with a weight problem, physical handicaps, a wheelchair, or your sexuality.

How old are you? Your glee over Killgores post sounds like some 6 grader laughing at the fat kid in gym.

Grow the fuck up.

526 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:37:12pm

re: #454 Alouette

Wow, what a gagger. Thread-worthy.

Think they're friends of Israel?

Committee for a Just Peace in Israel and Palestine

The Committee for a Just Peace in Israel and Palestine is a diverse, community-based group dedicated to organizing local activities and educational events that advance the cause of peace and justice for both Palestinians and Israelis. We support efforts for resolution of this conflict that combine vision with pragmatism. At this point in time, we have adopted, as the most hopeful path toward evolution of a just peace, the following organizational principles:

Support for equal rights and access to resources for all inhabitants of the region, based on principles of social, economic, environmental, and political justice.

Support for peace and justice activities in Israel, Palestine, and the U.S.

An end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, in accordance with international law and U.N. resolutions.

An end to U.S. policies that sustain the occupation.

International support for an equitable and just negotiation process.

A resolution to the Palestinian refugee issue in accordance with international law and human rights principles.

An end to all forms of terror: state, organizational, and individual.

/in other words, just get under the damn bus Israel!

527 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:37:21pm

re: #519 Sharmuta

If you think it's not a nice post, why do you click the quote function?

I was fucking mad, my mistake. Charles, delete it if you want. Sharm, you know I didn't do that on purpose.

528 hazzyday  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:37:51pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

He's being sarcastic and relating this threads subject to what Charles, Killgore you and I were saying in the last thread.

It flew way over my head. I didn't understand any of it til you explained it.

529 gmsc  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:38:07pm

re: #512 Alouette

If somebody eggs, TP's and dog-craps a house, is it a hate crime?

Miami police think so.

So, the guy should be prosecuted not just on his actions, but on his ideas, as well?

I'm not so hot on governments prosecuting people for their ideas, even bad ideas.

530 Irenicum  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:38:21pm

re: #49 Last Mohican

Strange isn't it, that they (the Republicans) started as a party to end the slavery of the body, have ended up being the party wedded to the slavery of the mind. Sad.

531 freetoken  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:38:30pm

I'm still struggling with the:

Zen Gardens -----> lesbianism

proposition.

It's true that lesbian erotica existed in Japanese culture... but it was hardly a foundation to Zen Buddhism or Japanese society.

/someday I'll figure all of this out...

532 pingjockey  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:39:44pm

Good evening Lizards. Play nice.

533 gmsc  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:39:47pm

re: #531 freetoken

I'm still struggling with the:

Zen Gardens -----> lesbianism

proposition.

It's true that lesbian erotica existed in Japanese culture... but it was hardly a foundation to Zen Buddhism or Japanese society.

/someday I'll figure all of this out...

Perhaps the stumbling block is the assumption that it's true because you read it on a website.

534 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:39:47pm

re: #506 Zimriel

I'm pretty sure they started that with Cato because they knew it bothered him. The same stuff happens in boarding school. Nobody took it seriously.

(I mean, except for the ones who actually were gay. It was pretty obvious which ones they were, though. And they weren't the ones cracking the jokes.)

Not quite sure what you're saying here, Zim. It was my fault for letting it bother me? Fuck 'im if he can't take a joke?

I'm just freaking glad I didn't go to boarding school, I guess. Being at the mercy of barely teenage predators for months at a time would have done me in.

Having read enough British public-school literature and having seen the Boy Scouts up close and personal, I'd say the only ones who don't take it seriously are the adults.

535 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:39:48pm

re: #531 freetoken

That porn was mediocre, at best.

536 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:39:54pm

re: #475 Killgore Trout

Kilgore that post was the rotten thing you've ever done here. If you stand by that post you are lower than shit.

537 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:40:05pm

re: #357 Killgore Trout

It's really good for you and reduces the risk of a lot of types of cancer. We should all be eating more tofu. Fry it, everything's better fried.

You must be sure to get only free-range tofu. The ranch-bred stuff is laced with hormones and antibiotics.

/Jenny McCarthy

538 jorline  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:40:20pm

Will someone in the Obama administration please untie Joe's hands. I'm confident he'll become totally engrossed with his pocket rocket thus rendering him persona non grata for the remaining four years.

Biden Aide Denies Vice President Leaked Classified Location of Cheney Bunker

"There was no disclosure of classified information," spokeswoman Elizabeth Alexander said.

She said Biden was merely describing a guest room in the Naval Observatory, the official vice presidential residence in Washington.

But that's not what Newsweek's Eleanor Clift reported last week.

She wrote that Biden, while at the Gridiron Club dinner in Washington, described to fellow guests the "bunker-like room" that served as the "secure, undisclosed location" where Cheney holed up after the terror attacks.

"He said the young naval officer giving him a tour of the residence showed him the hideaway, which is behind a massive steel door secured by an elaborate lock with a narrow connecting hallway lined with shelves filled with communications equipment," she wrote.

VPOTUS...Joe's a boob job.

539 hazzyday  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:40:48pm

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Oregon. Upstairs in my workshop. It's very messy and something smells like feet. Why do you ask?

Oregon: Home of the Stash Tea parties.

540 freetoken  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:41:38pm

re: #533 gmsc

Perhaps the stumbling block is the assumption that it's true because you read it on a website.

Say it ain't so!

541 doppelganglander  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:41:56pm

re: #476 FurryOldGuyJeans

*AHEM* I am a knuckle-dragging moron who probably would have opposed her in a heart beat, just not one in SC.

You're certainly not a moron if you would oppose her.

542 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:42:29pm

re: #534 Cato the Elder

in my troop.... that i do think was better than most..... the other scouts ganged up on my twin brother and me and did their best to wear us down. My brother and I ignored them and after a couple of years (and a couple of fist fights), they did stop.

Ha. My bro' and I got our Eagle awards....... much to their chagrin.

There are always assholes in every group.

543 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:42:58pm

re: #537 Alberta Oil Peon

You must be sure to get only free-range tofu. The ranch-bred stuff is laced with hormones and antibiotics.

/Jenny McCarthy

I used to live on an organic farm in Northern California. Ah, the beauty of waking to the rising sun, and watching a herd of tofu as they make their way down to the hill to the watering hole for a morning drink.

544 ShanghaiEd  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:43:00pm

re: #219 Steve Rogers

Yes, you are correct.

I guess I used the left as an example due to the fact that a key aspect of fascism as a socio/economic system is the private control of the means of production, but the government telling those companies what to do, what not to do, what to pay, what to earn, etc....and since the current President is doing exactly that, it is fresh in my mind as a prime example of fascism.

This is quite a stretch of logic, to me. It's one thing for a government to control all private businesses, and it's quite another for a government to demand conditions from a tiny handful of businesses that are seeking billions in public funds to save their butts. Whether this is a direction we should be going is up for debate, but labeling it "fascist" is tremendous overkill, IMO, and prevents any following arguments from being considered as seriously as they should.

545 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:43:18pm

re: #536 Dark_Falcon

Kilgore that post was the rotten thing you've ever done here. If you stand by that post you are lower than shit.

And you can include (or I will) Lizard John Adams who not only up dinged Killgore, but left his own 3 grader gleeful little comment so we could see first hand what kind of jerk he is.

Seriously, I'm not a fucking tree hugger, but damn, that was just cruel. And no, I'm not gay, I'm not fat anymore, I'm comfortable in myself, so I'm not just projecting here.

I'm the last one on this blog to be soft or easily offended (hell, I offend most of the the time), but this is crap, that's what it was.

546 hazzyday  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:44:34pm

re: #307 Irish Rose

k

I see absolutely no difference between the two.

Canadian loonies are better loonies.

547 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:44:45pm

re: #516 Walter L. Newton

Ok Killgore, for some reason, that post above is horrible. I would rather you keep you nasty descriptions to yourself.

I hope you never have to deal with being fat, stumbling with being physically unfit, and what in heavens name does her sexual preference have to do with the lawn?

Are you drunk?

That's a fucking nasty post.

I thought he was describing a painfully real scene from his life and being a good guy by going to help her. Just shows how different one's reading can be from another's.

548 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:45:15pm

Kind of a common theme with kookery- they start running together at the fringes. Creationism to anti-vaxing to ron paul to troofer.... I forgot to squeeze in eurofascist. Real sad this is going on at this time. We don't need kooks, we need intelligent leaders. Seems they're intelligent enough to stay away. Or take that gig in China.

549 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:45:58pm

re: #541 doppelganglander

You're certainly not a moron if you would oppose her.

My ex would disagree with ya.

550 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:46:49pm

re: #542 windhorse

in my troop.... that i do think was better than most..... the other scouts ganged up on my twin brother and me and did their best to wear us down. My brother and I ignored them and after a couple of years (and a couple of fist fights), they did stop.

Ha. My bro' and I got our Eagle awards....... much to their chagrin.

There are always assholes in every group.

Yes, but, pardon my bluntness, did they try to turn you into a BJ dispenser?

551 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:47:17pm

re: #547 Cato the Elder

I thought he was describing a painfully real scene from his life and being a good guy by going to help her. Just shows how different one's reading can be from another's.

killgore is an enigm to me.
this is the guy who said he didn't go and vote, but stayed home and jerked off.
I never know if he is serious or not.


the mental image of him outside in a dirty wife beater mowing a lawn is pretty tough to get out of my head

552 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:47:24pm

re: #547 Cato the Elder

I thought he was describing a painfully real scene from his life and being a good guy by going to help her. Just shows how different one's reading can be from another's.

Well guess what. I wasn't the only one to read it that way. I'm not sure what "fat," "lesbian" and some of the other tacky slams had to do with the actual situation.

Yep, funny how we accept certain terms and ways of describing people, funny how we don't see that as demeaning, funny... NOT.

553 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:47:31pm

re: #545 Walter L. Newton

And you can include (or I will) Lizard John Adams who not only up dinged Killgore, but left his own 3 grader gleeful little comment so we could see first hand what kind of jerk he is.

Seriously, I'm not a fucking tree hugger, but damn, that was just cruel. And no, I'm not gay, I'm not fat anymore, I'm comfortable in myself, so I'm not just projecting here.

I'm the last one on this blog to be soft or easily offended (hell, I offend most of the the time), but this is crap, that's what it was.

Agreed. i've been of the receiving end of attacks like the one Kilgore posted. I can tell you from personal experience that they hurt. Kilgore must either apologize, or become a troll in my eyes. One thing is for sure: Until he retracts that post, I will never again upding him.

554 Mich-again  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:47:59pm

re: #475 Killgore Trout

Speaking of dikes and gardening......
My fat lesbian neighbor is trying to mow her lawn. She's so fat that she has to be in one of those scooter things. I try not to get too involved because I don't want to become somebody's care taker. A few weeks ago her knees gave out while trying to get a pile of cakes and cookies from her car to her house. It was really depressing bushing the dirt off frosting and helping her up again.
Well, I can't stand watching this so I'm off to mow a fucking lawn. Looks like it's going to gain soon.


A few doors down from me is a Muslim family of Pakistani origin. When mom mows the lawn she wears the full black cloth robe and a hijab. There is nothing any funnier than watching her pull start the mower over and over to get their crappy lawnmower started. Oh jeeze it is a crack up.

555 hazzyday  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:48:08pm

re: #334 Wendya

Creationist. But really... after Carter and the whole trashed economy/cold war thing going on, who really gave a flying rat's ass?

His belief does not diminish my respect for him one iota.

There are lots of creationists based on church attendance. And they easily slip into ID with any critical thinking. A lot of the college educated. You can reason with them and they think "oh yeah". It depends how unconditionally they except their pastor as the true interpretation of God. One is either then their tempter or their savior. The line can be very grey. More of the main stream churches that accept evolution need to make their points.

556 avanti  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:48:54pm

re: #480 dapperdave

OUCH! thanks.

Well, he is a interesting fellow. :)

557 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:49:07pm

re: #550 Cato the Elder

No, we didn't have any of that that I was aware of. I do know though that there were a couple of fights where it was my brother and me against the many. It was definitely not cool.

It is too bad that this experience was so f'ed up for you. I am sorry to hear that.

558 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:51:03pm

re: #475 Killgore Trout

GFY

559 Last Mohican  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:51:29pm

Okay, it's time for me to go walk the tofu, and then head off to bed. Good night everyone!

560 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:51:45pm

re: #553 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. i've been of the receiving end of attacks like the one Kilgore posted. I can tell you from personal experience that they hurt. Kilgore must either apologize, or become a troll in my eyes. One thing is for sure: Until he retracts that post, I will never again upding him.

Agreed (and we don't always agree). I'm as smack mouth as they come when I am dealing with someone else who can take it. Here at LGF, I rarely start jamming in my pissy assed style on someone who can't take it. But I also know the regulars here, and I will push as hard as they can.

But this woman, why would Killgore describe her in this way? Her problem was movement here, a physical handicap. And even if that is because of a weight problem, guess what, it's still a problem and shouldn't be looked on like it is something to make fun of.

No, not cool at all.

561 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:52:45pm

re: #560 Walter L. Newton

Agreed (and we don't always agree). I'm as smack mouth as they come when I am dealing with someone else who can take it. Here at LGF, I rarely start jamming in my pissy assed style on someone who can't take it. But I also know the regulars here, and I will push as hard as they can.

But this woman, why would Killgore describe her in this way? Her problem was movement here, a physical handicap. And even if that is because of a weight problem, guess what, it's still a problem and shouldn't be looked on like it is something to make fun of.

No, not cool at all.

Thank you for that, Walter.

562 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:52:52pm

re: #545 Walter L. Newton

And you can include (or I will) Lizard John Adams who not only up dinged Killgore, but left his own 3 grader gleeful little comment so we could see first hand what kind of jerk he is.

Seriously, I'm not a fucking tree hugger, but damn, that was just cruel. And no, I'm not gay, I'm not fat anymore, I'm comfortable in myself, so I'm not just projecting here.

I'm the last one on this blog to be soft or easily offended (hell, I offend most of the the time), but this is crap, that's what it was.

You're right. I apologize.

563 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:53:10pm
564 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:53:16pm

re: #554 Mich-again

re: #475 Killgore Trout


A few doors down from me is a Muslim family of Pakistani origin. When mom mows the lawn she wears the full black cloth robe and a hijab. There is nothing any funnier than watching her pull start the mower over and over to get their crappy lawnmower started. Oh jeeze it is a crack up.

And what do you do for fun on weekend, pop off a few paintball rounds at some Jews.
/////////////////

You, Killgore, you're both jerks tonight.

565 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:54:11pm

re: #562 JohnAdams

You're right. I apologize.

OK, understood.

566 avanti  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:54:56pm

re: #538 jorline

Will someone in the Obama administration please untie Joe's hands. I'm confident he'll become totally engrossed with his pocket rocket thus rendering him persona non grata for the remaining four years.

Biden Aide Denies Vice President Leaked Classified Location of Cheney Bunker

VPOTUS...Joe's a boob job.

The reporter is full of crap, Cheney described staying in the secret White House bunker after 9-11.


Cheney.

567 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:55:00pm

re: #554 Mich-again

PUAR

568 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:56:18pm

If I want to read "trash muslims" comments or pick on overweight woman jokes, I can go to Huffenpuff post or Jihad Watch.

I'm out of here before I say something that will get me banned. Good work jerks (as it applies).

569 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:56:34pm

re: #538 jorline

Will someone in the Obama administration please untie Joe's hands. I'm confident he'll become totally engrossed with his pocket rocket thus rendering him persona non grata for the remaining four years.

Biden Aide Denies Vice President Leaked Classified Location of Cheney Bunker

VPOTUS...Joe's a boob job.

The fact that this country has such a profoundly inept Vice President and a profoundly unqualified President should say one thing quite clearly to those who remain in the GOP - the GOP failed utterly and miserably to deliver on the expectations that Republicans set when it won elections. The fail was so massive and complete that these two bozos run the country with the help of Pelosi and Reid.

We now have morons who dominate the party screaming about how the centrists have to be purged so that the true Culture War can take place and be won. Creationism, Gay Marriage and Abortion are the keys to establishing a permanent majority in perpetuity.

Good luck with that. The 2012 electoral map will be all blue except a handful of states in the south east.

570 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:56:35pm

re: #562 JohnAdams

You're right. I apologize.

Apology accepted.

571 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:56:56pm

re: #552 Walter L. Newton

Well guess what. I wasn't the only one to read it that way. I'm not sure what "fat," "lesbian" and some of the other tacky slams had to do with the actual situation.

Yep, funny how we accept certain terms and ways of describing people, funny how we don't see that as demeaning, funny... NOT.

If my neighbor happens to be a fat lesbian, then describing her as such in a forum where she can't possibly be hurt by it is just being realistic. Or do we have to be PC about everybody and everything now?

OK, I'm a circumferentially challenged person of low hair density significantly affected by the passage of time whose intestines are occasionally prone to the expulsion of unpleasant gasses.

Or you could just say I'm a fat, bald old fart.

572 HelloDare  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:56:59pm

re: #563 Gus 802

Japanese Snow Monkeys, Jigokudani

Two questions:

1. How do they dry off from the hot springs without freezing?
2. How did they learn to play that musical instrument?

573 Irenicum  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:57:07pm

re: #89 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

You anti-dentite you!

574 hazzyday  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:57:26pm

re: #488 JohnAdams

Will you pay to have the spew cleaned from my keyboard? That was hilarious.

Wasn't offended. Fat is just a mental condition that is visible. It even has some fetishes. So it does have it's place. Some people have fat heads but you could never know it by looking at them. Some people have a visceral repulsion to fat people and can't treat them fairly. That seems to be more of an issue about the thin person's weaknesses. When I see someone thin obsessed and upset about someone they consider fat, I usually think the thin person has the real problems.

Work on fit mind and fit body as best you can and don't worry so much about other people.

575 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:57:35pm

re: #566 avanti

Cheney just revealed that such existed, Gaffey Joe gave directions.

576 Mich-again  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:57:48pm

re: #564 Walter L. Newton

And what do you do for fun on weekend, pop off a few paintball rounds at some Jews

Classy.

577 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:58:20pm

re: #571 Cato the Elder

.... I happen to have a high tech rainfall indicator......

(I like the one about "grass never grows on a busy street" myself....)

578 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:59:04pm

re: #553 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. i've been of the receiving end of attacks like the one Kilgore posted. I can tell you from personal experience that they hurt. Kilgore must either apologize, or become a troll in my eyes. One thing is for sure: Until he retracts that post, I will never again upding him.

I doubt he cares if you or I upding him or not.... and he runs troll posts in here a lot.

I do feel sorry for his neighbour. If she has an eating disorder that's crippled her and will certainly kill her, why won't she get it seen to?

579 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 8:59:37pm

re: #572 HelloDare

Two questions:

1. How do they dry off from the hot springs without freezing?
2. How did they learn to play that musical instrument?

I imagine they just shake off the water.

The hot tub membership comes with music lessons. ;)

Seriously, I find them fascinating. Especially the facial expressions of relaxation most particularly the older ones which are more expressive.

580 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:00:45pm

re: #518 NJDhockeyfan

Uh oh...that means I am guilty of many hate crimes when I was a kid.

I threw dogshit in the neighbor's yard, and I wasn't a kid either. But they stopped their dog from crapping re: #554 Mich-again

re: #475 Killgore Trout


A few doors down from me is a Muslim family of Pakistani origin. When mom mows the lawn she wears the full black cloth robe and a hijab. There is nothing any funnier than watching her pull start the mower over and over to get their crappy lawnmower started. Oh jeeze it is a crack up.

I have a crew of redneck white boys who take care of my lawn.

581 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:01:10pm

as my dad told me.... never pass up the opportunity to be a good guy.

(sometimes it is easy to forget that.....)

582 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:01:12pm

re: #571 Cato the Elder

If my neighbor happens to be a fat lesbian, then describing her as such in a forum where she can't possibly be hurt by it is just being realistic. Or do we have to be PC about everybody and everything now?

OK, I'm a circumferentially challenged person of low hair density significantly affected by the passage of time whose intestines are occasionally prone to the expulsion of unpleasant gasses.

Or you could just say I'm a fat, bald old fart.

Well, fine Plato, you're a better man than me, but I can live with myself. There is a difference between PC and downright mean.

Sorry you are having trouble understanding the difference. Intelligence is not a meter of compassion.

583 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:01:37pm

why did we keep the south i don't understand

584 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:01:42pm

re: #578 Zimriel

I doubt he cares if you or I upding him or not.... and he runs troll posts in here a lot.

I do feel sorry for his neighbor
. If she has an eating disorder that's crippled her and will certainly kill her, why won't she get it seen to?

As do I. I can't speculate as to why she would not seek treatment.

585 jorline  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:01:54pm

Jenny's Dr.

The fake experts of HuffPo

It's no secret that I think the Huffington Post is an teeming den execrable pseudoscientific snakes. Still, when it comes to fanning the vaccination manufatroversy, they are really off the deep end. Take the latest piece of dreck on Jenny McCarthy, GoD (Google Doctorate). It's written by the infamous "Dr." Patricia Fitzgerald, and this is where I get cranky. Worse than all the drivel spouted by Jenny is HuffPo giving their imprimatur of authority to Fitzgerald.

This is all by way of saying "Dr" Fitzgerald is a doctor the same way I am a tree frog. No, this isn't a turf battle. Its truth, and truth can be harsh. Fitzgerald claims the title of Doctor of Homeopathy. While you and I might know that this is equivalent to Doctor of Magic, a sick person (or a reader) could be easily deceived. Her byline simply says "Dr" and her bio page lists her "doctorate" without explaining that no sane American health care professional looks at homeopathy as being anything other than wishful thinking with a bill.

586 avanti  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:02:00pm

re: #575 FurryOldGuyJeans

Cheney just revealed that such existed, Gaffey Joe gave directions.

My point was the reporter said Cheney was in the VP bunker after 9-11, which wrong since it was not built yet. It was over a month ago that Biden made the statement and the reporter just dug it up. It should be no secret that both the WH and the VP's house would have a safe room.

587 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:02:18pm

To preserve the Union, Space Jeez.

588 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:02:28pm

re: #565 Walter L. Newton

OK, understood.

Thanks. People do get carried away at times here, and it is easy to post without thinking through when things whiz by so fast. I am not a regular here by any means, but I do come in enough to know that you are not afraid to speak your mind quite vehemently, as well. I think at times it is easy to group members of any political/cultural grouping together and to assume a hostility to their "collective" rap, without recognizing the individual humanity of each person on their own. I certainly don't intend to be mean. I've been corrected here several times, and almost always to be my education and benefit. You have a nice evening, Walter. ;~)

589 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:02:40pm

re: #553 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. i've been of the receiving end of attacks like the one Kilgore posted. I can tell you from personal experience that they hurt. Kilgore must either apologize, or become a troll in my eyes. One thing is for sure: Until he retracts that post, I will never again upding him.

I am extremely hirsute and disabled, a hernia precedes me. I go out in public, a big smile on my face. I don't even bother talking to most people because all I see is revulsion and disgust. A few smile back and they are a delight to engage in witty banter.

590 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:02:41pm

re: #583 SpaceJesus

catfish.

591 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:02:53pm

re: #581 windhorse

as my dad told me.... never pass up the opportunity to be a good guy.

(sometimes it is easy to forget that.....)

Also, it somewhat ruins the effect of doing good works if you're insulting the person you're doing it for while you do it.

592 hazzyday  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:03:06pm

re: #583 SpaceJesus

why did we keep the south i don't understand

24 is on!

593 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:03:30pm

re: #583 SpaceJesus

why did we keep the south i don't understand

there is a lot you don't understand

594 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:03:38pm

re: #588 JohnAdams

Thanks. People do get carried away at times here, and it is easy to post without thinking through when things whiz by so fast. I am not a regular here by any means, but I do come in enough to know that you are not afraid to speak your mind quite vehemently, as well. I think at times it is easy to group members of any political/cultural grouping together and to assume a hostility to their "collective" rap, without recognizing the individual humanity of each person on their own. I certainly don't intend to be mean. I've been corrected here several times, and almost always to be my education and benefit. You have a nice evening, Walter. ;~)

Yep, and I have made mistakes, big mistakes here, and I own up to them. Like I say, thanks, and I agree.

595 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:03:39pm

re: #486 pingjockey

You're a good neighbor.

Quite the "good" neighbor.

When I read that post, I couldn't help but think of our neighbor across the street - 85 years old - family doesn't bother to come over and help her manage the 4 acres of yard that she dearly loves, it is her only pleasure in life to putter about and watch the birds - the Roi's response to our neighbor has been to go over there once a week and mow the property for her, keep it cleared of fallen limbs, etc., so she can enjoy the yard.

Such a little thing, really - makes all the difference in her life.

596 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:03:55pm

re: #590 windhorse

catfish.

And SJ's caught some fresh fish tonight! :^)

597 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:03:57pm

re: #583 SpaceJesus

why did we keep the south i don't understand

'cuz I'm here.

598 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:04:58pm

re: #587 Sharmuta

To preserve the Union, Space Jeez.

but they keep doing silly things. how to stop them?

599 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:05:19pm

re: #586 avanti

Cheney was at the old Cold War bunker, Gaffeey Joe was at the multi-million dollar post-9/11 bunker. I don't see a point, I see a whole lotta spin.

Ever hear of Continuity of Government?

600 NY Nana  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:05:23pm

OK, Lizards.

/NY Nana is here to begin a discussion about Mr. Holland's Opus...any comments?

601 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:05:32pm

re: #595 reine.de.tout

Quite the "good" neighbor.

When I read that post, I couldn't help but think of our neighbor across the street - 85 years old - family doesn't bother to come over and help her manage the 4 acres of yard that she dearly loves, it is her only pleasure in life to putter about and watch the birds - the Roi's response to our neighbor has been to go over there once a week and mow the property for her, keep it cleared of fallen limbs, etc., so she can enjoy the yard.

Such a little thing, really - makes all the difference in her life.

Yea, "fat lesbian" is such a neighborly way to describe her.

Feh.

602 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:05:33pm

Preserving the Union = preserving the Constitution.

If the bond that document created is broken, then it's meaningless.

603 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:05:34pm

re: #589 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am extremely hirsute and disabled, a hernia precedes me. I go out in public, a big smile on my face. I don't even bother talking to most people because all I see is revulsion and disgust. A few smile back and they are a delight to engage in witty banter.

I am glad you are able to do that, sir. I'm afraid that I lack your self-confidence, though and I know I lack your restraint. You are a better man than I.

604 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:05:43pm

re: #570 Dark_Falcon

Apology accepted.

Thanks. I have no trouble apologizing, and I really like people who are big enough to forgive. In the political arena, that is an almost lost art.

605 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:06:03pm

re: #598 SpaceJesus

but they keep doing silly things. how to stop them?

We keep defending the Constitution, Bro.

606 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:06:05pm

re: #583 SpaceJesus

The day you understand is the day reality ceases to exist.

607 SteveC  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:06:18pm

re: #583 SpaceJesus

why did we keep the south i don't understand

We make the best moonshine!

608 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:06:43pm

someone tell me what the deal is. I use to work in the South.... traveling salesman..... I ate out a lot.... like seven days a week. I had SO many delicious meals of fresh catfish. But everywhere else I go and order it, I can't eat it..... what gives?

609 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:06:51pm

re: #606 FurryOldGuyJeans

The day you understand is the day reality ceases to exist.

I don't know FOGJ; sometimes spaceyJ makes sense. It can be scary when that happens, but it does happen.

610 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:06:53pm

re: #582 Walter L. Newton

Well, fine Plato, you're a better man than me, but I can live with myself. There is a difference between PC and downright mean.

Sorry you are having trouble understanding the difference. Intelligence is not a meter of compassion.

No, actually, the meter of compassion is that Killgore is out there right now mowing the lady's lawn for her.

611 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:08:19pm

re: #598 SpaceJesus

but they keep doing silly things. how to stop them?

Its not just the south. Illinois has Wright and Ayers. I think that makes my state the winner of the Asshole Sweepstakes.

612 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:08:21pm

re: #607 SteveC

We make the best moonshine!

ok, you guys can stay. explain oklahoma though.

613 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:08:39pm

re: #610 Cato the Elder

No, actually, the meter of compassion is that Killgore is out there right now mowing the lady's lawn for her.

Yikes.
Do you know, I missed that? Completely blew past me. I couldn't get past the first part. You are right. He is mowing her lawn.

614 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:09:02pm

re: #607 SteveC

We make the best moonshine!

Nah, the moonshine was made in Appalachia and Appalachia made an effort NOT to secede, all by itself. So that's disqualified.

I'm sticking with the Crawfish Theory.

615 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:09:52pm

re: #19 Wendya

Like it or not, they ID/Creationist types are part of the party. Just as we can't chase out and banish the "moderates", you can't remove the ID/C's either.

In time, the ID/creationists will prove to be the doom of the GOP.

616 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:09:59pm

re: #603 Dark_Falcon

I am glad you are able to do that, sir. I'm afraid that I lack your self-confidence, though and I know I lack your restraint. You are a better man than I.

Doesn't hurt having a very outspoken sarcastic wit.

I see someone having an obviously bad day so I'll quip in passing, "you're having too much fun". If I get a smile and/or a laugh, I've done my good deed for the day. If I get nothing or a scowl back, I'm already an asshole and cranky old coot anyway, so nothing lost.

617 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:10:15pm

re: #557 windhorse

No, we didn't have any of that that I was aware of. I do know though that there were a couple of fights where it was my brother and me against the many. It was definitely not cool.

It is too bad that this experience was so f'ed up for you. I am sorry to hear that.

You know what? I got over it. And it gave me an interesting perspective on what a group claims to be and what it often is in reality. They should have a merit badge for that: BS detection, first class.

618 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:10:15pm

re: #608 windhorse

someone tell me what the deal is. I use to work in the South.... traveling salesman..... I ate out a lot.... like seven days a week. I had SO many delicious meals of fresh catfish. But everywhere else I go and order it, I can't eat it..... what gives?

It's a different type of catfish.
And I'm not trying to be funny, that's for real.

619 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:10:25pm

re: #610 Cato the Elder

No, actually, the meter of compassion is that Killgore is out there right now mowing the lady's lawn for her.

You forgot, that "fat lesbian" lady. It's amazing, considering I know your background, who you are, what you stand for in the academic world, and yet you dismiss Killgore description of this lady as a "fat lesbian" as if it were just another way to say "my next door neighbor."

It's a shame. But as you have said before, no surprise, nothing really new. I shouldn't expect better.

620 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:10:30pm

re: #611 Dark_Falcon

Its not just the south. Illinois has Wright and Ayers. I think that makes my state the winner of the Asshole Sweepstakes.

And Daley, and the Stroger family, and Blagovitch, and his cellmate the governor before him, and...

/I know, I have to rub it in

621 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:11:47pm

re: #583 SpaceJesus

why did we keep the south i don't understand

Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders

622 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:11:48pm

re: #613 reine.de.tout

Yikes.
Do you know, I missed that? Completely blew past me. I couldn't get past the first part. You are right. He is mowing her lawn.

Did you miss the fact that he also called her a "fat lesbian." Wasn't that special?

623 freetoken  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:11:57pm

re: #598 SpaceJesus

but they keep doing silly things. how to stop them?

Teach them Zen gardening?

624 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:11:58pm

re: #583 SpaceJesus

why did we keep the south i don't understand

We "keep" the south because it is the backbone of our country. I love the south, and I am not even from there. I love NASCAR, and I don't even go to the races. I love SEC football, and I'm in the Big Ten. I love the South.

625 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:12:15pm

re: #623 freetoken

Teach them Zen gardening?

LMAO!

626 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:13:27pm

re: #620 Zimriel

Zim, did you see my #534?

627 jorline  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:13:34pm

Jenny's Poop Stories

McCarthy is a certifiable loon.

Take the time to read this bloggers response to her Poop Story. It's funny as he dissects her Oprah article.

Jenny McCarthy's relationship with poo

I

've decided I love Jenny McCarthy's Oprah-blog. It's like watching a mad scientist---you know he's gonna blow something up, but still, those Tesla coils have a beautiful inutility. Her latest piece is truly a monument to stupidity, and if she really keeps this up, I'll never run out of blog-fodder.

It's called "Poop Stories", and it's about, well, Jenny's poop, so pull on those hip-waders and let's go take a look.

628 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:14:13pm

re: #619 Walter L. Newton

Walter, please take a chill pill. Everyone.... Walter, Kilgore, Windhorse... they all say things that they might wish they hadn't said.

Kilgore is what Kilgore is.

I happen to like the thought that he is out there mowing her lawn right now.

Is he?

We don't know. But he might be.... and maybe (if he isn't) he will read this and contemplate doing it.

(I think he is out there in the rain right now doing it....)

/and i am not a particular fan of Kilgores

629 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:14:14pm

re: #621 NJDhockeyfan

Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders

Also disqualified, as the Union didn't try to retake Texas. At least, not so anyone noticed. Texas just rejoined when it realised that it was standing alone after Appomattox, and the Union said "whatever".

630 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:14:51pm
631 NY Nana  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:14:52pm

re: #619 Walter L. Newton

We have had a war of words....once.

Walter, when the going gets tough? The tough get going. Well done!

To have empathy is a gift, and you have it. Some who are posting need to look the word up in a dictionary.

632 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:14:54pm

re: #589 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am extremely hirsute and disabled, a hernia precedes me. I go out in public, a big smile on my face. I don't even bother talking to most people because all I see is revulsion and disgust. A few smile back and they are a delight to engage in witty banter.

It's been my experience that people really notice another person's appearance the first time they meet them; after they've spent a bit of time chatting or whatever, the appearance stuff makes no never mind to anyone.

633 dapperdave  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:14:56pm

re: #583 SpaceJesus

cotton, tobacco and Jack Daniels! /

634 SteveC  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:14:59pm

re: #614 Zimriel

Nah, the moonshine was made in Appalachia and Appalachia made an effort NOT to secede, all by itself. So that's disqualified.

I'm sticking with the Crawfish Theory.

Dizzy Dean and his brother Daffy Dean are traveling by train with the St. Louis Cardinals baseball team. The train stops to add coal and water, Dizzy gets off to use the bathroom. While he's in the station he runs into some good ol' boys selling 'shine!

Dizzy buys a bottle and sneaks it back onto the train, and opens it after they start moving. His brother doesn't want any, so Dizzy takes a big long drink. At the same moment, the train goes into a tunnel.

"Dear Lord, don't drink this stuff, Daffy! It done make me BLIND!"

635 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:15:25pm

Evening y'all - how is everyone doing tonight? Better than I am, I hope.

636 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:15:25pm

re: #626 Cato the Elder

Zim, did you see my #534?

What do you want to accomplish by this? A flamewar / pity-party over who had the worse teasing as a kid? Sorry mate, I'm not playing.

637 Irenicum  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:15:47pm

G'nite. It's late. Be well all.

638 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:16:59pm

re: #617 Cato the Elder

You know what? I got over it. And it gave me an interesting perspective on what a group claims to be and what it often is in reality. They should have a merit badge for that: BS detection, first class.

The language you use there makes it sound like you want to tar the entire Scouting movement with the bad behavior of a few kids in the one troop to which you briefly belonged.

That's the same sort of "logic" the Leftosphere uses when they try to impugn the character of the entire U.S. military with the excesses of a few bad apples working at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

639 freetoken  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:17:19pm

re: #625 Sharmuta

Didn't you know that the queen of the South, Daisy Duke herself (Catherine Bach) was a .... lesbian?

640 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:17:23pm

re: #628 windhorse

Walter, please take a chill pill. Everyone.... Walter, Kilgore, Windhorse... they all say things that they might wish they hadn't said.

Kilgore is what Kilgore is.

I happen to like the thought that he is out there mowing her lawn right now.

Is he?

We don't know. But he might be.... and maybe (if he isn't) he will read this and contemplate doing it.

(I think he is out there in the rain right now doing it....)

/and i am not a particular fan of Kilgores

Well, isn't that so white of Killgore. He's mowing the lawn of the "fat lesbian." I am really blown away how there are a number of Lizards here that had NO PROBLEM with Killgores description of this woman, who evidently has a weight problem, and need because of that problem, need an electric assist cart to move around.

You know, I would rather not have that kind of help from Killgore or anyone if that's what is going on in their head.

641 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:17:24pm

re: #622 Walter L. Newton

Did you miss the fact that he also called her a "fat lesbian." Wasn't that special?

No, I didn't miss that. That's what I had trouble getting past. It isn't what I would have said, and I don't like it.

But Cato is correct - the measure of Killgore's compassion is that he's gone to mow her lawn for her.

That's a hot, messy, unpleasant job. But he's gone to do it.

642 SteveC  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:17:30pm

re: #629 Zimriel

Also disqualified, as the Union didn't try to retake Texas. At least, not so anyone noticed. Texas just rejoined when it realised that it was standing alone after Appomattox, and the Union said "whatever".

Gosh durn it, you just can't disqualify a cheerleading team. It's just not right!

643 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:18:16pm

re: #619 Walter L. Newton

You forgot, that "fat lesbian" lady. It's amazing, considering I know your background, who you are, what you stand for in the academic world, and yet you dismiss Killgore description of this lady as a "fat lesbian" as if it were just another way to say "my next door neighbor."

It's a shame. But as you have said before, no surprise, nothing really new. I shouldn't expect better.

You know, considering the way you fling ad hominems around here like they were Mandy Candy, your outrage rings a little hollow. I'll take Killgore's active compassion for his fat lesbian neighbor over your posturing any day of the week.

And unlike you, I don't have a website. So let's get this straight: You do not know me.

644 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:18:26pm

I bet he stole her cupcakes

645 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:18:44pm

re: #630 taxfreekiller

TFK, I can never fully agree with anything you post, but I always agree with some of it, and I just dig the way you state it. I think you are the crazy old uncle of LGF.

646 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:18:49pm

re: #644 Shug

I bet he stole her cupcakes

you are so bad.

647 jorline  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:19:07pm

re: #635 realwest

Evening y'all - how is everyone doing tonight? Better than I am, I hope.

Hey RW.

Prayers are with you and Mon tomorrow. Send me an update tomorrow night or when you get time.

648 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:19:27pm

re: #636 Zimriel

Not at all. I wasn't sure what you were trying to say.

Now I know that I don't care.

And I'm not your mate.

649 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:20:42pm
650 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:20:55pm

re: #645 JohnAdams
Hey there JohnAdams - TFK sometimes plays the "Crazy Uncle" but if you read a lot of his posts, he isn't crazy at all (don't know if he's anyone's uncle or not).

651 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:21:01pm

why I'm going to Chime in, I have no idea.

1. choice of words to describe a neighbor was not nice
2. mowing a neighbor's lawn is very nice

I prefer deeds over words

652 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:21:45pm

re: #635 realwest

Evening y'all - how is everyone doing tonight? Better than I am, I hope.

I am happy to hear from you real, and sad to hear you are doing poorly.
Funny I was just thinking I haven't been on this blog in a while, but wondering why no word from realwest. Great to hear from you!

653 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:22:15pm

re: #627 jorline

Jenny's Poop Stories

McCarthy is a certifiable loon.

Take the time to read this bloggers response to her Poop Story. It's funny as he dissects her Oprah article.

Jenny McCarthy's relationship with poo

I

Well now Jenny has given us some literally shitty advice to go with her figuratively shitty stuff.

654 SteveC  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:22:28pm

{REAL}

655 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:22:43pm

re: #631 NY Nana

We have had a war of words....once.

Walter, when the going gets tough? The tough get going. Well done!

To have empathy is a gift, and you have it. Some who are posting need to look the word up in a dictionary.

Thanks. I am really blown away by all this, especially how it's being glossed over. Not your fault, I know, I'm just really upset.

It's all a symptom of the sickness that is going on in this world. We see things that suit our purposes. We hate euro-nationalism, but we see nothing wrong with pushing people out of our party. We want to treat people as equals, but see nothing bothersome with phrases like "fat lesbian."

And some will say it's not the same, or I'm trying to equate white nationalism with conservative politics. Well, it is the same, when the hatreds and omissions all stem from the same foundational fears and hatreds.

It's got to stop, or else, it's all like the 1930's again.

656 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:22:43pm

re: #635 realwest

Evening y'all - how is everyone doing tonight? Better than I am, I hope.

nice to hear from you.

wish you were feeling better

657 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:23:39pm

re: #647 jorline Well we don' see our oncologist until Wednesday but today her Family Physician said she thought my mom had had a very minor stroke.
I was, as you can imagine, not a very happy camper after that until I got to speak to a GOOD doctor, described everything and he said "Bullshit, she just had a bad reaction to new medication in addition to the other meds she was taking."
Still upset, though.

658 jorline  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:23:44pm

re: #653 Dark_Falcon

Well now Jenny has given us some literally shitty advice to go with her figuratively shitty stuff.

She's a fucking nut.

659 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:24:27pm

re: #641 reine.de.tout

No, I didn't miss that. That's what I had trouble getting past. It isn't what I would have said, and I don't like it.

But Cato is correct - the measure of Killgore's compassion is that he's gone to mow her lawn for her.

That's a hot, messy, unpleasant job. But he's gone to do it.

Fine. Then the next time I do something nice for someone, it will be OK is I have some nasty and degrading way to refer to them.

Got it, I need to get with the program.

660 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:24:43pm
661 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:25:25pm

re: #650 realwest

Hey there JohnAdams - TFK sometimes plays the "Crazy Uncle" but if you read a lot of his posts, he isn't crazy at all (don't know if he's anyone's uncle or not).

I know. He gets away with things that would get most of us banned in a heartbeat, but I know. I love tfk.

662 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:25:42pm

re: #657 realwest

Well we don' see our oncologist until Wednesday but today her Family Physician said she thought my mom had had a [stuff I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy].

You and yours are in my prayers tonight. I hope things start looking up soon...

663 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:26:00pm

re: #649 taxfreekiller
Hey my friend - I don't know if anyone's exhibited an "irrational fear" of Ron Paul - his "ideas" are frankly stupid, but I don't actually see him leading or even close to leading anything resembling a grassroots movement or for that matter, having any genuine impact on the GOP.

664 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:26:16pm

re: #643 Cato the Elder

You know, considering the way you fling ad hominems around here like they were Mandy Candy, your outrage rings a little hollow. I'll take Killgore's active compassion for his fat lesbian neighbor over your posturing any day of the week.

And unlike you, I don't have a website. So let's get this straight: You do not know me.

Anyone that knows me, here or else where, knows what I do in helping my fellowman. It still doesn't give me the right to use degrading terms for those I help.

665 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:26:16pm

Hey RealWest - Hang in there bud.

666 WestTexas  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:26:19pm

Ok, I have really never commented on the I.D. threads, and I am not sure exactly where to start, but here goes...

I think that if I.D. is going to be discussed in a classroom setting it should be confined to studies of philosophy. I do believe in God and I do believe that he created the universe, but it is not outside the realm of possibility to suggest that he is capable of using evolution to accomplish the creation of life. In fact evolution only strengthens my belief in God. Anything that is so beautiful and complicated is surely something he would be involved in. My problem is understanding why these nut-jobs cannot accept that. We are reading the same text and live in the same universe, yet they persist in smearing science and in the end insulting the intelligence of God.

667 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:26:23pm

re: #657 realwest

Well we don' see our oncologist until Wednesday but today her Family Physician said she thought my mom had had a very minor stroke.
I was, as you can imagine, not a very happy camper after that until I got to speak to a GOOD doctor, described everything and he said "Bullshit, she just had a bad reaction to new medication in addition to the other meds she was taking."
Still upset, though.

Hello, real. Do be careful about minor strokes. They can still do major damage.

668 jorline  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:26:39pm

re: #657 realwest

Well we don' see our oncologist until Wednesday but today her Family Physician said she thought my mom had had a very minor stroke.
I was, as you can imagine, not a very happy camper after that until I got to speak to a GOOD doctor, described everything and he said "Bullshit, she just had a bad reaction to new medication in addition to the other meds she was taking."
Still upset, though.

Sorry to hear that RW. Sounds like someone was shooting from the hip...a lot of that going around now days. Please fill me on Wednesday my friend.

669 windhorse  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:26:48pm

the story of two monks.....

a young monk and an old monk from a certain monastery were out walking on their way to a seminar (long long ago... it was like a seminar on how to sell kitchen knives or sumzing). The old monk viewed the young monk as a young, stupid turd.... generally.

On their journey, they came to a a swollen river.... churning down the valley. A young woman stood next to the river in tears.

The young monk approached the young woman and asked her why she was crying. She replied that she was on a journey to see her dying mother.... and that she was so sad because of the flooded river and the fact that she didn't know how to swim and that she could not cross it.... and she wouldn't be able to see her mother....

The young monk, not giving it second thought, offered to carry her across the river. And so, he did. she thanked him profusely for his generosity.

On the other side of the river, he set the young woman down, and took his place next to the old monk walking down the trail.

A few miles passed, and the old monk stopped and began berating the young monk. Why did you do this? You have sworn to a code of silence.... you have sworn to celibacy..... yet here you are talking to a woman.... AND THEN TOUCHING HER!?

The young monk looked at the old monk.... then said.... I set her down three miles ago. why are you still carrying her?

670 ladycatnip  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:27:03pm

#466 Sharmuta

Not just that, Zim- feminism in general. When you have radical organizations like the Ahmanson Foundation pushing Christian Reconstructionism, they're going to be opposed to feminist goals. These people want to stone women for having sex out of wed lock. Surely they think my place is in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant and not at a Girl Scout meeting teaching girls how to live their own lives.

Words fail me. I've been a Christian for a very, very long time, but whatever is going in within some Protestant circles (more like sects) boggles my mind, and it's so frightening and so offensive that should it spread like the cancer it is, I'll be heading back to the Catholic church.

671 avanti  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:27:32pm

re: #599 FurryOldGuyJeans

Cheney was at the old Cold War bunker, Gaffeey Joe was at the multi-million dollar post-9/11 bunker. I don't see a point, I see a whole lotta spin.

Ever hear of Continuity of Government?

I'm not overly concerned about the location of either bunker, chances are good they would be hard to get to even if you had a map. BTW, Biden is a gaff machine, so you should have stuff like this to talk about weekly.

672 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:27:39pm

re: #657 realwest

Sorry to hear about that real.

Here's some Howlin' Wolf to cheer you up.

673 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:27:47pm

re: #652 JohnAdams
Well I wouldn't say I'm doing poorly (though I could be better) but thanks anyway!

674 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:28:21pm

re: #654 SteveC
Hey SteveC - thanks for the hug!

675 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:28:38pm
676 WestTexas  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:29:21pm

re: #675 taxfreekiller

From your lips to his ears....

677 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:29:24pm

re: #660 taxfreekiller

TFK, I love ya, but I don't know how you don't get banned all the time because you fling it around in shovel-fulls whereas if I did it I would be posting on Martha Stewart in a heartbeat. It's a testament to your integrity, I think.

678 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:29:36pm

re: #663 realwest

Hey my friend - I don't know if anyone's exhibited an "irrational fear" of Ron Paul - his "ideas" are frankly stupid, but I don't actually see him leading or even close to leading anything resembling a grassroots movement or for that matter, having any genuine impact on the GOP.

He doesn't lead; he's an icon. His name is getting attached to a variety of fringe movements, from libertarianism (which shouldn't be fringe) to Gary North's Christian shari'a (which belongs in the lower, padded wards of an asylum).

Basically everybody on the Right who feels they're on the outside looking in, and the hucksters exploiting that sentiment, are having a grand old time swinging through the dead branches of the GOP, throwing poo and hooting "ROOON PAAAUL".

679 jorline  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:30:12pm

re: #671 avanti

I'm not overly concerned about the location of either bunker, chances are good they would be hard to get to even if you had a map. BTW, Biden is a gaff machine, so you should have stuff like this to talk about weekly.

Biden has had this problem for a long time...What did Obama see that everyone else missed?

680 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:30:30pm

re: #656 Shug
Evening to you Shug - how are you doing tonight?

681 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:30:37pm

re: #659 Walter L. Newton

Fine. Then the next time I do something nice for someone, it will be OK is I have some nasty and degrading way to refer to them.

Got it, I need to get with the program.

Walter, please calm down.
That isn't what I said.
Plus, please think back to some of your very own posts - you have called people names, said ugly things to them. And these are NOT people you then did something nice for afterwards.

I don't like the "fucking" this and "fucking" that that goes on here quite often, I find the use of that kind of language to be distracting and degrading - but for goodness' sake - I just try to see past it. Sometimes that's just what one has to do. This is one of those times.

682 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:30:42pm

re: #678 Zimriel

It would be nice if the GOP had some adults around.

683 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:31:44pm

OT, but has anyone seen this?
[Link: thebulletin.us...]

684 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:31:51pm

re: #682 Zimriel

It would be nice if the GOP had some adults around.

The adults are getting kicked out or sent to China.

685 WestTexas  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:32:01pm

re: #666 WestTexas

Wow creepy, that was my first post to be #666

686 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:32:12pm

re: #680 realwest

Evening to you Shug - how are you doing tonight?

Well I said I'd log off an hour ago.
but I'm Still here.

but if I had any self control I would have missed you so that's a good thing

687 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:32:13pm

re: #662 Zimriel
Thank you Zim - thoughts and prayers are greatly appreciated, especially tonight and tomorrow.

688 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:32:44pm

re: #663 realwest

Hey my friend - I don't know if anyone's exhibited an "irrational fear" of Ron Paul - his "ideas" are frankly stupid, but I don't actually see him leading or even close to leading anything resembling a grassroots movement or for that matter, having any genuine impact on the GOP.

Realwest - you might be surprised - what I'm finding that's happening with Ron Paul is that various groups have glommed onto one or two or three of his positions that they like and agree with, and then they proceed from there.

I don't see any huge Ron Paul movement that's having any genuine impact - but what I've noticed is lots of smaller groups trying to promote this or that or the other that ends up turning out to be a Ron Paul position. It's sneaky.

689 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:32:49pm

re: #638 Alberta Oil Peon

The language you use there makes it sound like you want to tar the entire Scouting movement with the bad behavior of a few kids in the one troop to which you briefly belonged.

That's the same sort of "logic" the Leftosphere uses when they try to impugn the character of the entire U.S. military with the excesses of a few bad apples working at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

Now there's a leap.

Reading comprehension fail, much?

What I said was: And it gave me an interesting perspective on what a group claims to be and what it often is in reality.

Maybe I should have said "sometimes".

I will tell you this: neither Scouting nor the US Military nor any other human institution even begins to come close to thinking about maybe someday procrastinating over putting off doing something to live up to their lofty written ideals.

That's just human nature.

I'll take Killgore sweating to mow his neighbor's lawn for her and laughing at her behind her back as an example of human kindness and honesty before I'll ever buy the "clean in thought, word and deed" bushwah from any shiny group again in my life.

690 Zimriel  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:32:52pm

re: #685 WestTexas

Wow creepy, that was my first post to be #666

LOL, I score #777 a few times. Fortunately not on my more "meltdown" types of post.

691 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:33:39pm

re: #665 karmic_inquisitor
Hey karmic - I am hanging in there, if it sure seems like I'm getting down to my fingernails!

692 Opilio  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:33:46pm

re: #659 Walter L. Newton

Fine. Then the next time I do something nice for someone, it will be OK is I have some nasty and degrading way to refer to them.

Got it, I need to get with the program.

Is the "fat' part degrading? Or is it the "lesbian" part that's degrading? Or is it the two words together? What if he had said "The fat lady next door" or "my lesbian neighbor"? Still nasty? Should he eschew adjectives altogether?

693 avanti  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:33:46pm

For those that like old cars, here's a example of what I do. Its pictures of a 61 Hawk I just picked up. My friend just did a quick polish to see what we had before detailing. It had been sitting in a garage for 20 years.

before
after

694 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:33:47pm

re: #669 windhorse

That's one of my all-time favorite stories. Well told, too!

695 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:33:52pm
696 WestTexas  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:34:07pm

re: #690 Zimriel

See that proves I.D.

/heavy s

697 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:34:46pm

re: #693 avanti

For those that like old cars, here's a example of what I do. Its pictures of a 61 Hawk I just picked up. My friend just did a quick polish to see what we had before detailing. It had been sitting in a garage for 20 years.

before
after


wax on
wax off

698 ladycatnip  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:36:35pm

#683 Floral Giraffe

Yep, I posted it on #502 upthread. I'd like to know when this general got his orders, whether it was a Bush thing prior to the O's inauguration, or coming from the O.

699 avanti  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:37:18pm

re: #697 Shug

wax on
wax off

No shamwows were harmed during the process.

700 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:38:02pm

re: #699 avanti

No shamwows were harmed during the process.

but a few hookers got fat lips ( from your shamwow rep )

701 NY Nana  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:38:39pm

re: #655 Walter L. Newton

I totally agree with you...I know that so many of us are stressed out, from the economy, the current alleged president, where we are going as a nation, personal and family health issues, problems...name it.

But that is no reason to soil Charles' carpet, and that is what some, who we can expect it from, and others who are actually a shock, are essentially doing.

I hope that Stinky shows up, and cleans up the mess.

I hesitated to post a word, but this is really a nasty, hateful thread...my 9-year old granddaughter wouldn't say these things; she has more empathy than any kid I have ever seen, and she has mild CP, and other complications of being a micro-preemie..weight at birth? 18 oz, and severely near-sighted, and will require surgery, and is of a high IQ, even though they did not expect it, as she also had a brain bleed in the centers of learning....reminds me of childhood, and recess in the school yard.

We are not at war here, damn it.

Lizards, and you know who you are, please take a deep breath, and stop with the insults. I can give them out pretty damned well, but this thread worries me.

{Walter}.

702 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:38:42pm

re: #692 Opilio

Is the "fat' part degrading? Or is it the "lesbian" part that's degrading? Or is it the two words together? What if he had said "The fat lady next door" or "my lesbian neighbor"? Still nasty? Should he eschew adjectives altogether?

Figure it out for yourself.

703 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:38:48pm

re: #699 avanti

No shamwows were harmed during the process.

For a FREE sham-wow AND a snuggie -
click my nic and BUY VOLUME 1 of the LGF Cookbook.

Volume 2 is in the works and at the same place, you can find out how to send me your recipe.

Vince's nut-cracker to be included with Volume 2.

704 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:39:09pm

re: #666 WestTexas
Hey WestTexas - hang in there, cause you sure ain't alone here at LGF.
As for "We are reading the same text and live in the same universe, yet they persist in smearing science and in the end insulting the intelligence of God." to which I would only add that they are also insulting OUR intelligence too.
But I'm less concerned by the incidents that Charles comments on than I am in that Gallup Poll the other day (sorry no link, but it was linked to out here) that show - for the first time in the history of the poll, more than half of the American Public believe in Creationsim.
Course, cynic that I am, I'd want to see what was asked - the exact language and the demographics of the respondents to that poll.

705 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:39:13pm
706 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:40:16pm

re: #667 Dark_Falcon
Oh I know that, but thanks for the caution anyway.

707 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:40:49pm

re: #668 jorline
Will do my friend, will do.

708 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:41:23pm

re: #689 Cato the Elder

Now there's a leap.

Reading comprehension fail, much?

What I said was: And it gave me an interesting perspective on what a group claims to be and what it often is in reality.

Maybe I should have said "sometimes".

I will tell you this: neither Scouting nor the US Military nor any other human institution even begins to come close to thinking about maybe someday procrastinating over putting off doing something to live up to their lofty written ideals.

That's just human nature.

I'll take Killgore sweating to mow his neighbor's lawn for her and laughing at her behind her back as an example of human kindness and honesty before I'll ever buy the "clean in thought, word and deed" bushwah from any shiny group again in my life.

Heh. You just went and proved my point, even bolded the key word, "often." You, personally, state that you had a bad experience with the boorish behavior of other kids in the Scout troop to which you belonged. OK, there is one documented instance of a Scout troop not living up to the lofty ideals of the organization. How do you get from one instance to "often?"

709 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:41:27pm

re: #697 Shug

wax on
wax off

Paint da fence.

710 WestTexas  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:42:19pm

re: #704 realwest

I am always leery of any poll. My grandmother raised me saying that I should only believe half of what I see, and none of what I hear. :-)

711 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:42:22pm

re: #701 NY Nana

Thanks again. I am really done commenting on this tonight. For my own self.

712 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:43:34pm

re: #693 avanti

For those that like old cars, here's a example of what I do. Its pictures of a 61 Hawk I just picked up. My friend just did a quick polish to see what we had before detailing. It had been sitting in a garage for 20 years.

before
after

Nice shine job. Too bad about the ugly rectangular side marker lamps, though.

713 avanti  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:44:02pm

re: #709 FurryOldGuyJeans

Paint da fence.

Not my fence, but I'll pass it on to my California dealer, he's prepping the car. :)

714 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:44:42pm

re: #683 Floral Giraffe

OT, but has anyone seen this?
[Link: thebulletin.us...]

Looks like it's been going on since 2007.

U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians
Jim Zanotti
Analyst in Middle Eastern Affairs
Foreign Affairs, Defense, and Trade Division

Assistance for Palestinian Civil Security Forces. As mentioned above, aid has been given to train and to provide non-lethal equipment for PA security forces loyal to President Abbas in an effort both to counter militants from organizations such as Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades and to establish the rule of law for an expected Palestinian state. This assistance, planned by the Administration to lastat least through 2011, has come from the INCLE account. Since Hamas gained control of the Gaza Strip, Lt. Gen. Keith Dayton, the U.S. Security Coordinator, has helped with the training of about 400 Presidential Guardsmen and about 1,000 National Security Forces (NSF) troops (training for the second of five special NSF battalions planned for the West Bank began in September 2008) at the International Police Training Center just outside Amman, Jordan.12 Most reports agree that law and order have improved where the PA forces have been deployed, but uncertainty remains (particularly among some Israeli officials) over the willingness and ability of the forces to incapacitate militants. Some Palestinians and outside observers assert that the effectiveness and credibility of PA operations are undermined by Israeli restrictions, as well as by Israel’s own security operations in the West Bank.

Same commander has been kept on board apparently as shown in bold above.

Here's a general *.gov search with LTG Keith Dayton for a variety of government documents pertaining to this.

The article is incorrect in stating that it now openly admits to this training since it was part of the congressional record since around 2007.

715 avanti  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:46:36pm

re: #712 Alberta Oil Peon

Nice shine job. Too bad about the ugly rectangular side marker lamps, though.

Yea, the previous owner actually cut holes for the damn things. Most every car I get, has some JC Whitney Gee haw added. The next owner can remove them and spot in the paint.

716 WestTexas  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:46:48pm

I hate to post and fly, but I hear the sweet siren call of work. Have fun and be safe.

717 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:46:48pm
718 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:47:05pm

re: #560 Walter L. Newton

Dude, I wasn't expecting this much controversy. I just spent the past hour and a half mowing a disabled woman's lawn in the rain when none of my progressive neighbours could be bothered to help and this somehow makes me a dickhead? You're out of yer fucking mind!
/Kiss my Samaritan ass!

719 Bobblehead  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:47:13pm

re: #714 Gus 802

Yes I saw that. Disturbing.

720 NY Nana  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:47:21pm

re: #683 Floral Giraffe

Why am I not surprised? I would not be surprised if Barack Husssein Obama
was also helping them both to harm Israel.

721 ladycatnip  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:48:08pm

#714 Gus 802

Looks like it's been going on since 2007.

That's what I was afraid of.

722 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:48:50pm
723 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:49:03pm

re: #713 avanti

You must never have seen the Karate Kid movie. I was only commenting on the wax on/wax off comment.

724 NY Nana  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:49:14pm

re: #711 Walter L. Newton

I am still in shock, so help me...take care.

725 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:49:34pm

re: #719 Bobblehead

re: #721 ladycatnip

I know. I found some more articles but I guess this will do. I had remembered that there was a program started like this several years ago but never knew the details.

726 avanti  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:49:47pm

re: #720 NY Nana

Why am I not surprised? I would not be surprised if Barack Husssein Obama
was also helping them both to harm Israel.

How does that tie in with the fact the training starting under Bush pray tell ?

727 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:49:58pm

re: #708 Alberta Oil Peon

Heh. You just went and proved my point, even bolded the key word, "often." You, personally, state that you had a bad experience with the boorish behavior of other kids in the Scout troop to which you belonged. OK, there is one documented instance of a Scout troop not living up to the lofty ideals of the organization. How do you get from one instance to "often?"

Because, genius, every other organization with a wanking great list of all the noble things they're for has historically proven to be just as full of skulking hypocrites as the Scouts. I happen to be a Catholic, so it may come as a shock to you that I'd bring the priest sex scandals into the discussion. But there you have it.

You're welcome to believe that nothing of the kind ever goes on where it hasn't been documented, or that if something bad is going on it's sure to come out eventually. My personal knowledge of human nature leads me to conclude that documented incidents represent a mere sliver of the total pie. And that would go for Abu Ghraib, too. The ones dumb enough to sext themselves to their friends got caught. That tells me that for every dumbass abuser there were twenty-seven cleverer ones who got clean away.

728 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:50:16pm

re: #718 Killgore Trout

Dude, I wasn't expecting this much controversy. I just spent the past hour and a half mowing a disabled woman's lawn in the rain when none of my progressive neighbours could be bothered to help and this somehow makes me a dickhead? You're out of yer fucking mind!
/Kiss my Samaritan ass!

Not gonna get in the middle of a pissing match between you and Walter (don't even know the history) but you did a good thing for a neighbor.

729 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:50:16pm

re: #713 avanti

Not my fence, but I'll pass it on to my California dealer, he's prepping the car. :)

Nice cleaning job though. We've got some classic car event around me during the summer. I pass by a couple of them so I'll keep me eyes open and send you any good pics.

730 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:50:29pm

re: #682 Zimriel
Well I hope your remark was made in jest, but this one isn't: The Democratic Party now controlls the White House, The House of Representatives, and the US Senate. We have One-Party government which was never envisioned by eithter the Founding Fathers or those who wrote the constitution.
And let's look for the adults in the Democratic Party, shall we: Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Cynthia Mckinney, Charles Rangel, John Conyers, Barrack Obama, .............feel free to add your own.

731 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:50:37pm

Why am I an asshole for mowing the lawn of my disabled neighbour? You people are out of your fucking minds!

732 ladycatnip  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:50:56pm

#720 NY Nana

Why am I not surprised? I would not be surprised if Barack Husssein Obama was also helping them both to harm Israel.

Sad to say it started under Bush. Breaks my heart when I'm not feeling enraged over it.

733 Bobblehead  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:51:00pm
734 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:51:19pm

re: #686 Shug
LOL! I know EXACTLY how you feel my friend and I'm glad I didn't miss you!

735 avanti  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:51:21pm

re: #723 FurryOldGuyJeans

You must never have seen the Karate Kid movie. I was only commenting on the wax on/wax off comment.

Sorry, slow on the trigger tonight, I did watch the movie, but forgot about the fence.

736 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:51:45pm

re: #728 JohnAdams

....you did a good thing for a neighbor.


I thought so but apparently this makes me some sort of asshole.

737 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:53:33pm

re: #718 Killgore Trout

Dude, I wasn't expecting this much controversy. I just spent the past hour and a half mowing a disabled woman's lawn in the rain when none of my progressive neighbours could be bothered to help and this somehow makes me a dickhead? You're out of yer fucking mind!
/Kiss my Samaritan ass!

You did a really good thing Killgore.
You probably have no idea how much that meant to her, or the difference it will make in her life, that you made that offer and did that job for her.
So, no, you're not a dickhead (well, at least not today, anyhow).

738 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:53:38pm

re: #730 realwest

Well I hope your remark was made in jest, but this one isn't: The Democratic Party now controlls the White House, The House of Representatives, and the US Senate. We have One-Party government which was never envisioned by eithter the Founding Fathers or those who wrote the constitution.
And let's look for the adults in the Democratic Party, shall we: Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Cynthia Mckinney, Charles Rangel, John Conyers, Barrack Obama, .............feel free to add your own.

Add on at least one SCOTUS appointment that most likely will maintain the current left/right balance with left getting a major longevity boost.

Adults need not apply, nor asylum keepers.

739 Steve Rogers  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:53:40pm

re: #544 ShanghaiEd

This is quite a stretch of logic, to me. It's one thing for a government to control all private businesses, and it's quite another for a government to demand conditions from a tiny handful of businesses that are seeking billions in public funds to save their butts. Whether this is a direction we should be going is up for debate, but labeling it "fascist" is tremendous overkill, IMO, and prevents any following arguments from being considered as seriously as they should.

Fascism doesn't have to control "all" private businesses. The mere fact that Obama agreed that they should have the tax payer funds (which I don't think they should have) is proto-fascist at the least. For the first time in U.S. history that I am aware of, the White House forced out the CEO of a private company - G.E. That is not a hallmark of a free society. That "tiny handful" is the first step. And a dangerous one at that.

And I can assure you that Obama and the liberals (with more than a few "conservatives") will try their best to seize control of the health care industry. Heck, for decades they've come right out and admitted they want to control it with the power to imprison doctors and patients who go outside government rationed care. This is clear, unadulterated fascism.

In Robert Paxton's The Anatomy of Fascism, he identifies some traits of fascism. See how some of them match up with the current administration:

*A sense of overwhelming crisis beyond the reach of any traditional solutions.
[S.R. speaking now: Go back and count the number of times the word "Crisis" was used in the run up to the election, and how Obama peddled not just the notion of crisis - but crisis like we have never seen before - clearly a lie. Just ask anyone who lived through the REAL Great Depression!]

*The primacy of the group, toward which one has duties superior to every right, whether individual or universal, and the subordination of the individual to it.
[S.R. speaking now: Liberals clearly do not like the idea of the individual.
"We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society."
--Hillary Clinton

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans..."
-- Bill Clinton

*The need for authority by natural chiefs (always male), culminating in a national chieftain who alone is capable of incarnating the group’s historical destiny.
[S.R. speaking now: This describes the Obama movement to a "T"]

*The superiority of the leader’s instincts over abstract and universal reason.
[S.R. speaking now: Once again, how does this not describe Obama and his followers' near devotion to him?]

The term "fascism" is clearly appropriate. Granted, we are not 100%. We may not even be at 50%. But there are clearly fascist elements. And like the cancer they are, they will only continue to grow unless fought at every turn.

Although, you are correct, that calling it "fascist" (even though it is), will automatically turn many people off. Too many nutjobs have screamed "communist" or "nazi" or "hitler" at every politician they don't like for decades. The result is a case of The Boy Who Cried Wolf - when a politican like Obama comes along, he cannot be called for what he is, or people will assume it is just another case of hyperbole.

740 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:54:04pm

re: #731 Killgore Trout

Why am I an asshole for mowing the lawn of my disabled neighbour? You people are out of your fucking minds!

Killgore - pay attention - NOT EVERYONE THOUGHT THAT WAY.

741 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:54:13pm

re: #736 Killgore Trout

I thought so but apparently this makes me some sort of asshole.

Yea, for calling her a "fat lesbian." Is that the way you refer to all you neighbors, with epithets like that, or do you save those kinds of pithy phrases for your special friends?

742 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:54:19pm

re: #681 reine.de.tout

Thank you for those words.

743 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:54:34pm

re: #735 avanti

Sorry, slow on the trigger tonight, I did watch the movie, but forgot about the fence.

Would "Sand da floor" have helped any? ;)

744 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:55:24pm

re: #743 FurryOldGuyJeans

Would "Sand da floor" have helped any? ;)

breathe in

breathe out

( good advice for many folks here tonight )

745 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:56:20pm

re: #727 Cato the Elder

Because, genius, every other organization with a wanking great list of all the noble things they're for has historically proven to be just as full of skulking hypocrites as the Scouts. I happen to be a Catholic, so it may come as a shock to you that I'd bring the priest sex scandals into the discussion. But there you have it.

You're welcome to believe that nothing of the kind ever goes on where it hasn't been documented, or that if something bad is going on it's sure to come out eventually. My personal knowledge of human nature leads me to conclude that documented incidents represent a mere sliver of the total pie. And that would go for Abu Ghraib, too. The ones dumb enough to sext themselves to their friends got caught. That tells me that for every dumbass abuser there were twenty-seven cleverer ones who got clean away.

Then I guess we should all become members of Greedy, Self-centered Assholes for Satan, then? At least, in that case, we could be sure that we weren't acting in conflict with our organization's ideals.
///

746 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:56:55pm

re: #744 Shug

breathe in

breathe out

( good advice for many folks here tonight )

At worst it might slowdown the testosterone poisoning, at best put everyone to sleep. ;)

747 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:57:19pm

re: #688 reine.de.tout
Hi reine! Yeah, these days Ron Pauls political postitions seem to be a Chinese Menu for some folks: I'll take one from column "A", two from column "B" and some of whatever that fella over there is having!
I don't know if Ron Paul is truly nuts (as in insane) but he has a lot of goobers that a lot of different (and not very bright) folks are hanging on to. The Gold Standard, Isolationism, etc.
Personally I think all of the half or three quarter-wits grab onto some or all of his political positions and leave the serious business of governing to other folks.

748 NY Nana  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:57:37pm

re: #732 ladycatnip

#720 NY Nana

Sad to say it started under Bush. Breaks my heart when I'm not feeling enraged over it.

Damn, damn, damn...so help me, I did not have a clue...I feel like someone just pulled the rug out from under me and/or took the blindfold off.

I knew that he was very much attached to the sodding Sauds, but did not see this coming down the 'pike.

But I fear the Manchurian Candidate more than even Jimmy the Jew hater, and Bubba. And with Shrillary as Sec. of State? May G-d help Israel...there is almost no one in the Cabinet that I trust. Not a one.

749 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:58:19pm

re: #736 Killgore Trout

I thought so but apparently this makes me some sort of asshole.

I have no idea of your karma here, but you did a very nice thing. Kudos.

I don't know you from Adam, but I just like your Vonnegut nic ;~)

750 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:58:38pm
751 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:58:48pm

re: #736 Killgore Trout

I thought so but apparently this makes me some sort of asshole.

I think you're a great guy - albeit with a smart mouth, but since when is that a bad thing here? - surrounded by a bunch of self-righteous, yapping chihuahuas.

752 avanti  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:58:55pm

Well, with all the blood in the water this evening, it's a good time for me say good night.
later all.

753 Bobblehead  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:59:17pm

re: #748 NY Nana

Israel is essentially on its own. I have no doubt they will do what needs to be done.

754 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 18, 2009 9:59:46pm

re: #752 avanti

Well, with all the blood in the water this evening, it's a good time for me say good night.
later all.

I think I'll sign off as well. Goodnight.

755 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:00:27pm

re: #751 Cato the Elder

I think you're a great guy - albeit with a smart mouth, but since when is that a bad thing here? - surrounded by a bunch of self-righteous, yapping chihuahuas.

YO!
Who you callin' a yapping chihuahua?

Time for another fight?

naw -
good night all!
Killgore - you did a great thing. It meant more to her than it took out of you.

756 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:00:29pm

re: #697 Shug
ROTFL!
But either way, you still wind up with a '61 Studebaker!

757 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:00:43pm
758 Shug  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:00:57pm

yo quiero taco bell

759 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:01:11pm

re: #745 Alberta Oil Peon

Then I guess we should all become members of Greedy, Self-centered Assholes for Satan, then? At least, in that case, we could be sure that we weren't acting in conflict with our organization's ideals.
///

Your knack for missing the point is matched only by your lack of need for sarc tags.

760 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:01:17pm

re: #752 avanti

Well, with all the blood in the water this evening, it's a good time for me say good night.
later all.

And for once you weren't the chum. ;)

761 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:01:57pm

re: #721 ladycatnip

#714 Gus 802

That's what I was afraid of.

Found something referenced in the often mentioned Annapolis Conference.

Israeli-Palestinian Peace Process: The
Annapolis Conference

Carol Migdalovitz
Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs
Foreign Affairs, Defense, and Trade Division
Order Code RS22768
December 7, 2007

The President named General James L. Jones (Ret.), former Commander of U.S. European Command, Supreme Allied Commander Europe, Commandant of the Marine Corps, as special envoy for Middle East security. The general will report to Secretary Rice, who said that Jones will oversee “the full range of security issues for the Israelis and Palestinians as well as security cooperation with neighboring countries, and American efforts to provide assistance to the Palestinian Authority.” He will not monitor compliance with the Road Map nor replace Lt. Gen. Keith Dayton, the U.S. Middle East security coordinator, who has been assisting the Palestinians with improving their security forces.

You can add the following to your Google searches to pinpoint a website:

site:*.gov -- searches at government sites.

site:*.mil -- searches at military sites.

Has to be typed in exactly like that including the punctuation.

762 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:02:14pm
763 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:02:26pm

re: #755 reine.de.tout

(((Reine)))

764 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:02:42pm

re: #758 Shug

yo quiero taco bell

Yeah, I could go for some hairy taco right about now.

Or clams with legs. ;)

765 Bobblehead  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:02:49pm
766 freetoken  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:02:49pm

re: #720 NY Nana

Why am I not surprised? I would not be surprised if Barack Husssein Obama
was also helping them both to harm Israel.

Dinged you down NYNana... because you are just not doing the research but would rather just keep on with your obsession over President Obama's middle name.

If anyone is interested, Lt. Gen. Dayton's transcript from the presentation can be found here (pdf):
[Link: www.washingtoninstitute.org...]

He gives an overview of the efforts (not just the civilian defense stuff quoted) since 2005. From the PDF:

Now, the Office of the U.S. Security Coordinator came into
existence in March of 2005 as an effort to assist the Palestinians in reforming their security services. The Palestinian security forces under Yasser Arafat were never able to achieve internal cohesion, they were not properly trained, they were not properly equipped, and they had no clear or effective security mission.

The idea in forming the USSC was to create an entity to coordinate various international donors under one plan of action that would eliminate duplication of effort. It was to mobilize additional resources and to allay Israeli fears about the
nature and capabilities of the Palestinian security forces. The USSC was to help the Palestinian Authority to right-size its force and advise them on the restructuring and training necessary to improve their ability, to enforce the rule of law, and make them accountable to the leadership of the Palestinian people
whom they serve.

The overall effort was started by GWB. President Obama has decided to keep Lt. Gen. Dayton in his position.

767 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:03:00pm

re: #759 Cato the Elder

Your knack for missing the point is matched only by your lack of need for sarc tags.

Oh, I see your point, alright, but normally I'm too polite to comment upon the physical disabilities of others.

768 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:04:20pm
769 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:04:44pm

re: #705 taxfreekiller
Thanks TFK - but don't have the $32 right now.

770 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:05:22pm

Oh and this is a repost from the DT:

HEY Y'ALL - our friend and fellow LGFer yma o hyd e-mailed me to say she's been off internet due to severe osteoarthtritis in her hands. She was gardening all day one day this past weekend and the next day in screaming pain in her hands! Not to worry though, she get's to see a doctor (under Britains National Health Care) in about six weeks!
Seriously she misses you all and hopes to be back on LGF soon as she is feeling little better here, 3 days out from her hands being nearly immobilized by pain! {Yma}!

771 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:05:36pm

re: #765 Bobblehead

Bizarro news...
Too good to check: Jamie Foxx in the running to play … Frank Sinatra

I heard this is Leo DeCaprios part, which would be great on the dramatic part, but they need someone who can sing. This part screams for an unknown.

772 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:06:08pm

re: #769 realwest

Thanks TFK - but don't have the $32 right now.

Get some stimulus! ;)

773 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:06:29pm
774 hawk  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:07:33pm

@WestTexas:
"I think that if I.D. is going to be discussed in a classroom setting it should be confined to studies of philosophy."

Most definitely. It should not be taught as a science.

"We are reading the same text and live in the same universe, yet they persist in smearing science and in the end insulting the intelligence of God."

As I said in another post, you might be (or maybe not) surprised at the looks I get from fellow Christians when I suggest that science and Christianity do not have to be mutually exclusive.

When I pointed out how some things in the bible were allegories (and they agree on this point) and then point out that its not literally 6,000 years, I get looks like I am the beast with 12 heads ;-)

Like I said previously, I think they believe God sneezed and it was. No planning. Not nothing.

775 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:07:44pm

re: #770 realwest

Oh and this is a repost from the DT:

HEY Y'ALL - our friend and fellow LGFer yma o hyd e-mailed me to say she's been off internet due to severe osteoarthtritis in her hands. She was gardening all day one day this past weekend and the next day in screaming pain in her hands! Not to worry though, she get's to see a doctor (under Britains National Health Care) in about six weeks!
Seriously she misses you all and hopes to be back on LGF soon as she is feeling little better here, 3 days out from her hands being nearly immobilized by pain! {Yma}!

Damn, I love yma. Is she Welsh?

776 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:08:03pm

re: #717 taxfreekiller
Damn, that's right kindly of you TFK - I think you might have Memorial Day in mind, but I still don't have the $32!

777 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:08:46pm
778 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:10:19pm

re: #741 Walter L. Newton

She's severely obese. I brushed off the dirt from her cakes and doughnuts when her knees gave out carrying them into her house a few weeks ago. I just spent an hour in the rain and dark mowing her lawn at night in the rain. During the primaries I picked up her Hillary sign that Obama supporter had thrown in the street in the middle of the night when she was crying because she couldn't reach it from her scooter. I wrote about this at the time you can search my comments to find when I wrote about the the in the fall. Exactly who should I be apologizing to for all of this?

779 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:10:49pm

re: #777 taxfreekiller

its ok, I used some of the commie aunts trust fund money,,,

she will never miss giving it to the commie Democrats

her goofy ass cpa knows I'm messing with her, they just can not
find the leak....

You are one bad dude, I love it! ;)

780 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:11:17pm

re: #731 Killgore Trout
Hey Killgore - be careful with that "you people", cause I wasn't one of 'em and neither were a lot of us out here.

781 Bobblehead  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:11:32pm
782 The Shadow Do  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:13:00pm

Good job Senor Trout. I, for one, am all in favor of mowing lesbians' lawns, a sense of humor, and a dissing of self important loons.

783 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:13:08pm

re: #780 realwest

Sorry but I'm baffled why IU'm a dickead for pointing out obvious extremists at Tea Parties and helping my disabled neighbor. It's just insane.

784 NY Nana  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:13:19pm

re: #753 Bobblehead

Israel is essentially on its own. I have no doubt they will do what needs to be done.

Yes, they will, because they have to, and what they did to the Iraqi atomic bomb potential was a practice run, as we now see, for taking out Iran's nuclear facilities.

And watch how Israel will be excoriated for it by the current administration, while they secretly exhale, in relief. Israel has to be tough, has to be prepared, as they know that they can only truly depend on themselves.

785 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:13:41pm

re: #781 Bobblehead

Obama Through Bibi's Eyes

Hmmmmm, my eyes must be the same as Bibi's.

786 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:14:14pm

re: #732 ladycatnip I t ma have been started under Bush, but the facts on the ground then were different than they are today (Fatah and Hamas trying to jointly run PA for instance) and our current POTUS hasn't stopped it.

787 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:14:27pm

There are no Paulians at Tea parties and I vow to never assist the disabled again.
/Ron Paul!

788 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:14:29pm
789 Steve  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:14:31pm

Sorry to go OT so late but I have been trying to help my son with an english project. What we need to find out is: How many FDA Inspectors were there in 1973?

If anyone can point us in a direction to find this we would be very appreciative.

790 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:15:26pm

Here's the super double secret DTIC search site:

The Defense Technical Information Center (DTIC®)
Provider of DoD Technical Information to Support the Warfighter

Don't worry it's all unclassified information there.

791 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:16:50pm

re: #778 Killgore Trout

She's severely obese. I brushed off the dirt from her cakes and doughnuts when her knees gave out carrying them into her house a few weeks ago. I just spent an hour in the rain and dark mowing her lawn at night in the rain. During the primaries I picked up her Hillary sign that Obama supporter had thrown in the street in the middle of the night when she was crying because she couldn't reach it from her scooter. I wrote about this at the time you can search my comments to find when I wrote about the the in the fall. Exactly who should I be apologizing to for all of this?

You never answered my question. And you don't owe me an answer. It's my opinion, and it's fine that I have it. I would never use a term like "fat lesbian" to refer to her, not no way, not no how. in my mind it doesn't matter how large she is, or what the hell her sexuality is, I just don't see how the phrase has ANYTHING to do with you helping her.

Yes, it was fine that you helped her, it was wonderful. I lived in a neighborhood in West Denver that was very mixed and we had all sort of people living there, all ages, all colors. And we have a lot of older people, and some handicapped people there, and we all pitched in for those folks.

But we didn't sit around and say... "hey... is anyone going to help that lazy mexican clean up his lawn" or " did you help that ugly fag rake his leaves?"

Am I missing something. really, anyone, if anyone can tell me what is OK about using that term, "fat lesbian" I need to be educated.

792 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:17:25pm
793 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:18:34pm

re: #775 JohnAdams
Yes, she's from Wales - think she said that under their wonderful National Health Care system, she'll get to see a doctor in 6-7 weeks.

794 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:19:02pm

re: #780 realwest

False diagnoses can make you crazier than bad ones. I'm glad your mom is OK. And best for the coming days.

795 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:19:48pm

re: #789 Steve

Sorry to go OT so late but I have been trying to help my son with an english project. What we need to find out is: How many FDA Inspectors were there in 1973?

If anyone can point us in a direction to find this we would be very appreciative.

Couldn't find number of inspectors, but did find number of inspections on 1973:

In the last 14 years, the drug agency has lost 1,311 employees and nearly $300 million in appropriations to inflation while Congress has passed more than 100 laws defining or expanding its regulatory responsibilities. The agency now regulates about $1 trillion worth of goods, or 25 cents of every dollar spent by consumers.

The agency’s field inspection force has suffered, particularly in the area of food. In 1973, the F.D.A. undertook 34,919 food inspections; in 2006, that number had dropped to 7,783.

796 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:20:31pm
797 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:20:57pm

re: #777 taxfreekiller
Uh, TFK, that's not such a good idea, really. And if I were you I'd stop using her money and repay what you, ah, borrowed!
Seriously, my friend.

798 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:24:19pm
799 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:24:21pm

re: #783 Killgore Trout
Well Killgore helping out your disabled neighbor was a very good thing that you did - it truly was. That I disagree with you about the Tea Parties doesn't change the way I feel about your helping her out.

800 JohnAdams  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:25:26pm

re: #793 realwest

Yes, she's from Wales - think she said that under their wonderful National Health Care system, she'll get to see a doctor in 6-7 weeks.

God bless her and her beautiful Border Collies!

801 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:26:25pm

re: #789 Steve

Sorry to go OT so late but I have been trying to help my son with an english project. What we need to find out is: How many FDA Inspectors were there in 1973?

If anyone can point us in a direction to find this we would be very appreciative.

Couldn't find number of inspectors, but related to what FurryOGJ said, I found this:

FDA cannot ensure the safety of our food supply. The report’s authors saw a food safety system in which basic inspection and enforcement functions have been severely eroded, along with the agency’s ability to respond rapidly to foodborne disease outbreaks. The FDA did 35,000 domestic food inspections in 1973, but will do only 8000 this year. On average, FDA inspects most facilities only once every ten years. Despite the thousands of overseas producers sending food to our shores, the foreign inspection rate is far worse. The agency may have the resources to inspect a dozen foreign food manufacturers in 2008, Moreover, as FDA’s leadership in food safety erodes, other countries are presenting themselves as the appropriate model for food safety standard setting, to the detriment of principles of sound science and to market access for American food exports.

But of course, government regulation = bad. So fewer inspections = good. And ketchup is a vegetable.

802 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:27:10pm

re: #793 realwest

Yes, she's from Wales - think she said that under their wonderful National Health Care system, she'll get to see a doctor in 6-7 weeks.

And Obama and the Dem controlled Congress want to bless us with something equally efficient. Oh joy. :%P%

803 Steve  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:27:34pm

re: #792 taxfreekiller

#789

sorry that is in the pre-Obama history
to many ref. to Capitalism from that time, it has been deleted for cause

re: #795 FurryOldGuyJeans

Thanks for the help! You all have a very good evening.

804 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:27:43pm

re: #799 realwest

Well Killgore helping out your disabled neighbor was a very good thing that you did - it truly was. That I disagree with you about the Tea Parties doesn't change the way I feel about your helping her out.

Did you read his original post? Was it OK that he called her a "fat lesbian" too? I think is was horrible.

re: #475 Killgore Trout

Speaking of dikes and gardening......
My fat lesbian neighbor is trying to mow her lawn. She's so fat that she has to be in one of those scooter things. I try not to get too involved because I don't want to become somebody's care taker. A few weeks ago her knees gave out while trying to get a pile of cakes and cookies from her car to her house. It was really depressing bushing the dirt off frosting and helping her up again.
Well, I can't stand watching this so I'm off to mow a fucking lawn. Looks like it's going to gain soon.

805 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:28:37pm
806 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:28:58pm

re: #791 Walter L. Newton

My fondest Thanksgiving memory is from college where I ate turkey pot pies with four lesbians, drank a case of Bud and smoked an 1/8 th dirt weed. I'm sorry my mutliculti credentials don't pass muster with you.

807 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:29:03pm

re: #803 Steve

Thanks for the help! You all have a very good evening.

Did what I found help? Wow! ;)

808 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:31:21pm

re: #804 Walter L. Newton

Yes, she was trying to mow her lawn on a slope from her scooter chair. It was a painful sight to see so I thought I'd help out. I'm sorry that you find that so offensive.

809 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:32:06pm

re: #794 Cato the Elder
Thank you Cato, it's much appreciated. I argued with that damn doctor every which way I could but she wouldn't budge off the "coincidence" aspect of my Mom taking a POWERFUL new drug, when she already has several POWERFUL drugs in her system, and her physical actions the next day. And it was doubling frustrating for me: first of all I'm used to being able to convince people that when they see sunlight, they're actually - you know - seeing sunlight and, most importantly, this was my Mom she was talking about - The only real person left in my life that I love and care about.
Thank you for the good wishes, they are appreciated.

810 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:33:16pm
811 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:33:25pm

re: #806 Killgore Trout

My fondest Thanksgiving memory is from college where I ate turkey pot pies with four lesbians, drank a case of Bud and smoked an 1/8 th dirt weed. I'm sorry my mutliculti credentials don't pass muster with you.

Just honestly answer my question. You think the term "fat lesbian" is ok? Would you use it to her face, in that wonderful endearing way you have. Go ahead, call her that, I bet the next thing that would happen is you and her would be moving in together.

I have a lot of gay friends (hell, I work in theatre), but I'll be damned if I would ever use that term. And as i read your original post, it is evident that you have a problem with her size and health problems.

Get off it Killgore, it was mean, cruel and nasty.

812 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:33:51pm

re: #810 taxfreekiller

Fuck 0ff.

813 slokat  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:34:32pm

re: #498 pingjockey

I could loan you my potato gun. (more like a howitzer, runs on propane)

814 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:34:47pm

re: #804 Walter L. Newton

You be sure to heart that post from Killgore so you can bring it up at need, which I'm sure will be every other day.

And we'll be eager to see how your new-found circumspection expresses itself in the ratio of posts to f-bombs and other Mandyisms in future.

815 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:35:09pm

re: #808 Killgore Trout

Yes, she was trying to mow her lawn on a slope from her scooter chair. It was a painful sight to see so I thought I'd help out. I'm sorry that you find that so offensive.

Just tell me, would you call her a "fat lesbian" to her face? You keep tap dancing around my question, not once addressing what I have pointed out.

I don't care if you are a fucking boy scout, I certainly wouldn't want you calling anyone I know by names like that.

816 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:36:16pm
817 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:37:34pm

Another cool military search site.

DefenseImagery

You can get large format images there and order prints. Don't know how much the movies cost.

818 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:37:57pm

re: #811 Walter L. Newton

You think the term "fat lesbian" is ok?


Yes. She's severely obese to the point where she can't walk or make it up the stairs to her house and has lesbian bumper stickers all over her VW Van and puts yard signs up whenever there's a gay marriage ballot measure up (which I support, by the way).

819 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:38:37pm

re: #814 Cato the Elder

You be sure to heart that post from Killgore so you can bring it up at need, which I'm sure will be every other day.

And we'll be eager to see how your new-found circumspection expresses itself in the ratio of posts to f-bombs and other Mandyisms in future.

I never use any language like that behind anyones back. The way I speak here, when I do get salty, is directly to someone I am addressing. And I would have no problem saying it to them face to face. And anyone can call me or email me anytime if they want to further debate a topic, with feisty language or not.

But I never talk about a third party using nasty crass language when they are not capable of a retort.

So, your moral compass is not working. I don't talk behind someone's back.

I still wonder if Killgore would use that endearing term to her face?

820 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:39:50pm

re: #818 Killgore Trout

Yes. She's severely obese to the point where she can't walk or make it up the stairs to her house and has lesbian bumper stickers all over her VW Van and puts yard signs up whenever there's a gay marriage ballot measure up (which I support, by the way).

Fine. At least you admit it. I still think it's dirty, nasty and crass, and it negates any favors you did for her.

But, that's just me.

821 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:40:19pm

This is complete nonsense. I have absolutely no interest in continuing this conversation. I wish you all luck in driving LGF into the same garbage that the rest of the blogoshpere is heading. This is complete bullshit.

822 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:40:31pm

re: #804 Walter L. Newton
No Walter I didn't read Killgore's first post about this. And frankly that he called her that OUT HERE doesn't change the fact that he did - and apparently more than once - help her out in the real world.
I certainly agree that words have meaning, but I think, respectfully, you're seeing his words OUT HERE and not what he did for her in the real world out of I gather, a pure sense of human kindness.
Killgore and I disagree about, among other things, the Tea Parties - and if he called me a bunch of nasty names before saying "tea party supporter" but then later helped me out of a physical jam, we'd still be on opposite sides in some debates, but that wouldn't change the good that he did for me.

823 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:42:56pm
824 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:45:29pm

re: #809 realwest

(((real)))

I've been there with doctors telling me it was raining when in fact the drug was pissing side effects on my leg.

My mother's sister, her last living immediate family member, died on Friday. The doctors thought it was a stroke that put her in the hospital. It wasn't until her older daughter said, um, mom had a brain tumor and operation some years back, maybe you should compare the MRIs from then to this one? - that they thought of pulling her old records. Turns out she was seizing in the worst way possible.

Nothing they could have done either way, it was her time, and she had a living will so no long-term tube feeding and like that, but you'd think in the greatest heath care system in the world a check for past history and diagnostic tests would occur to someone two or three days into the hospital stay without prompting from a non-medical relative. But you'd be wrong.

Bottom line - you have to fight for your mom and your own health, because as overworked and plain exhausted as many docs are these days, you have no choice but to be an impatient patient.

Best of luck and prayers!

825 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:45:31pm

re: #822 realwest

No Walter I didn't read Killgore's first post about this. And frankly that he called her that OUT HERE doesn't change the fact that he did - and apparently more than once - help her out in the real world.
I certainly agree that words have meaning, but I think, respectfully, you're seeing his words OUT HERE and not what he did for her in the real world out of I gather, a pure sense of human kindness.
Killgore and I disagree about, among other things, the Tea Parties - and if he called me a bunch of nasty names before saying "tea party supporter" but then later helped me out of a physical jam, we'd still be on opposite sides in some debates, but that wouldn't change the good that he did for me.

Sure Real. And if someone used a crass and nasty epithet about you mother, and then turned around an was helpful to her, you would be fine with that.

Tell me another joke.

NOBODY has been able to tell me why it was all right to call this woman a "fat lesbian."

Come on, try real hard, I'm waiting.

826 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:47:25pm

re: #823 taxfreekiller

Walter

it is what it is

not going to change
no hope for that

once more
New York Times Syndrome.

Thanks. I understand. There is actually times when people will tell you the sun is black, when you know it's yellow, but it's still hard for me to believe that people can be like that. Occasionally my idealism gets in the way of my realism.

827 realwest  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:47:32pm

Well I think maybe what we have here is a failure to communicate.
But - although I wish I could sprinkle unicorn dust around and make it alright, I can't. It's above my pay grade.
So I'm gonna go check on my Mom and hopefully get some sleep tonight.
Good night you all - I do hope you have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

828 Walter L. Newton  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:50:06pm

If anyone ever wanted to do a study of hypocrisy run rampant, this thread would be an excellent starting point for that.

Good night.

829 [deleted]  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:50:14pm
830 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:52:52pm

deus ex machina

dey-uhs eks mah-kuh-nuh, dee-uhs eks mak-uh-nuh

noun
1. (in ancient Greek and Roman drama) a god introduced into a play to resolve the entanglements of the plot.
2. any artificial or improbable device resolving the difficulties of a plot.

831 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:55:37pm

re: #819 Walter L. Newton

I never use any language like that behind anyones back. The way I speak here, when I do get salty, is directly to someone I am addressing. And I would have no problem saying it to them face to face. And anyone can call me or email me anytime if they want to further debate a topic, with feisty language or not.

But I never talk about a third party using nasty crass language when they are not capable of a retort.

So, your moral compass is not working. I don't talk behind someone's back.

I still wonder if Killgore would use that endearing term to her face?

To contradict you would be churlish, and I have no reason to doubt it - so fine, you never call someone names behind his or her back. I'm impressed, and give you a lot of credit.

Pardon me if I'll still take Killgore's honest-if-colorful description of an unfortunate neighbor along with his active assistance, unasked, when she's in need of it, and rate that pretty high compared with a lot of people I know. If he were sitting here typing trash about her and laughing - "Haha, now she's fallen out of her scooter!" - he'd be a terrible human being. As it is he's my hero for the evening and you're just picking a fight for no good reason.

As I see it.

832 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:58:14pm

Can we seriously stop discussing it now?

833 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 10:58:32pm

I'm done, Sharm.

834 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:00:15pm

I like Samoas, way better than thin mints!

835 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:01:08pm

This is what happens when I'm nice to Cognito for once. Teehee.

836 slokat  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:01:16pm

re: #828 Walter L. Newton

Walter, you and I rarely see things the same, yet in this we agree.

837 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:02:33pm

re: #834 Floral Giraffe

I like Samoas, way better than thin mints!

Me too!

(I think the secret ingredient is crack)

838 SummerSong  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:03:05pm

re: #834 Floral Giraffe

I like Samoas, way better than thin mints!

Me too. They changed the name this year, though and they're smaller.

839 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:03:35pm

re: #837 Sharmuta

Me too!

(I think the secret ingredient is crack)

We can call them GoCookies.

840 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:03:58pm

re: #838 SummerSong

Me too. They changed the name this year, though and they're smaller.

Some areas they're Samoas, and some they're Carmel Delights.

841 MadNachos  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:06:29pm

As an atheist, man of science, and gun owner it kills me to see the Republican party fall apart and for the Republican 'machine' to keep chugging along with anti-science and 'god above all else' people leading the charge. Its a shame...tons of people like myself exist out there but the Republican party is doing their best to alienate us from their cause.

Here it is in short for the Republican leaders:

Many (most?) of the people that belong to your party do not believe in your radical 'god' based point of view. They are Republicans 'cus they want smaller gov...ya know...the things the party once stood for. The more you alienate people like myself the more you lose.

Lose the god, embrace the science, and get back to the ideals of the Republican party then we can talk. Until then, you are simply kicking at least 50% of your potential voter base out of your tent. Ignore us at your own peril. Hell...don't embrace the science, but shut up about your religious points of view, its personal and has nothing to do with government. If you think otherwise then you should be prepared to lose many elections as many of us that agree with my point of view simply wont vote for a hardcore right winger with hardcore religious views since they are not someone who can represent us.

Lick your finger and stick it in the wind...notice something? Its not blowing in your direction.

842 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:06:56pm

re: #837 Sharmuta

Me too!

(I think the secret ingredient is crack)

(I think it's the caramel, but it might be the coconut. I need to test more) Just to be sure. DANG!

843 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:07:55pm
844 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:10:53pm

re: #833 Cato the Elder

It wasn't just you, Cato. I hope you didn't think that I meant you.

845 haakondahl  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:11:27pm

re: #840 Sharmuta

Some areas they're Samoas, and some they're Carmel Delights.

No, they're Samoas everywhere, you fat lesbian.

846 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:14:05pm

Just don't call me late for dinner. Or glenn beck.

847 Cato the Elder  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:15:20pm

re: #844 Sharmuta

I knew that! And it was time to call time on it in any case.

Whew.

Good night, all.

848 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:15:49pm

re: #847 Cato the Elder

I knew that! And it was time to call time on it in any case.

Whew.

Good night, all.

Later Cato.

849 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:16:07pm

re: #847 Cato the Elder

Good night.

850 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:18:14pm

The Beatles-The Ballad Of John And Yoko

851 MrPaulRevere  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:22:38pm

I tried to give this guy the benefit of the doubt Sharmuta, but you are right, he's an a**hole... [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

852 MrPaulRevere  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:23:26pm

re: #850 Gus 802

Paul played both drums and bass on that tune, little known trivia.

853 Gus  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:24:37pm

re: #852 MrPaulRevere

Paul played both drums and bass on that tune, little known trivia.

Didn't know that until I heard that here -- last week. One of my favorite Beatles songs.

854 Sharmuta  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:25:41pm

re: #852 MrPaulRevere

Paul played both drums and bass on that tune, little known trivia.

The only Beatles on that song are John and Paul.

855 MrPaulRevere  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:28:35pm

re: #853 Gus 802

Keith Richards played both bass and guitar on 'Sympathy for the devil' as well. Excellent musicians all.

856 MadNachos  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:30:17pm

I like how the LGF comments go from being on-topic to being about cookies and old bands that nobody cares about anymore ;-)

(joking. sorta.)

857 pewboy  Mon, May 18, 2009 11:36:36pm

re: #54 doppelganglander

Even in a place with as many knuckle-dragging morons as South Carolina, surely there's someone out there to challenge this fool.


Now that is just plain rude.
How many South Carolinians do you know, personally?
You and #22 are quite secure in your superiority, eh?!
/ptooie!

858 SixDegrees  Tue, May 19, 2009 12:05:10am

Great. The GOP is now the party of superstition and voodoo.

Can I hide my shrunken heads under my coat, or am I required to display them openly?

I certainly hope we can get that plank demanding burning of heretics in the public square onto the party platform next year. That'll ensure our victory.

859 SixDegrees  Tue, May 19, 2009 12:10:29am

re: #91 Last Mohican

It looks like the creationists in the party aren't going to shut up and keep their idiotic knuckle-dragging views to themselves. If they keep asserting themselves like this, I think the Republican Party will be forced to split into two parties, comprised of the 60% who believe in young-Earth creationism, and the 40% who believe in modern science. And both of those parties will be powerless at the national level.

Maybe it's time for the 40% to split off now, while they still have a chance to recruit a few sane friends from the ranks of the Democratic party to join them.

More likely, the party will simply continue to shrink as moderates are driven out and move over to the Democrats. There are, after all, Blue Dog Dems who are amenable to Conservative principles. There are an awful lot of people who would feel more comfortable taking their chances there than they would voting for some freakish Medieval throwback.

860 Sharmuta  Tue, May 19, 2009 12:17:25am

re: #856 MadNachos

I like how the LGF comments go from being on-topic to being about cookies and old bands that nobody cares about anymore ;-)

(joking. sorta.)

You forgot the pissing match.

861 Salamantis  Tue, May 19, 2009 12:46:07am

re: #81 Steve Rogers

There seems to be a nearly 50/50 split in the U.S. politically. One the one side are those who advocate forced socialism (and even fascism*); and those on another side who technically advocate freedom for the individual but at the cost of science (evolution, vaccines, etc.) at the least to full-fledged theocracy at the most.

Those of us (myself included) who advocate freedom of the individual, but who are pro-science seem to be in the minority.

When we try to talk sense into those on the left, that forced government intervention is not the best way to help those truly in need, we are shouted down as “uncaring” (despite the fact that the political left is the least likely of all groups to donate to charity – can anyone say “projection”?) and they claim we are immoral and shout us down as not caring about the children.

When we try to talk sense into those on the right that evolution is a fact (or that vaccines do not cause autism, are safe and effective etc.) they claim we are immoral and shout us down as not caring about children.

Is there a reason for this nearly even split? Is it nature, nurture, a combination, what? What causes it? Can it be changed?

Bottom line: What can be done to reach both “sides” so that we can return to a freer society that also accepts and applauds science?

*This is NOT Godwin’s Law or reductio ad hitlerum, for two reasons: First, I did not say “Nazi” I said “fascist” and there is a difference between those two; and secondly, since by every textbook definition of fascism, many of the left’s ideas are clearly fascist in nature.

No, you continue to confuse fascism with totalitarian collectivism Fascism is only one type of totalitarian collectivism, a type that justifies itself by appeals to racial purity and tribal supremacy. Communism is another type of totalitarian collectivism; it justifies itself by appealing to the elimination of class distinctions between people. And Theocracy is a third type of totalitarian collectivism; it's self-justifying rationale is an appeal to the ancien scriptures of some revealed religion or other.

The left is close to the communist type of collectivist totalitarianism, not the fascist type. And the left has as much to do with John Stuart Millian classic liberalism as the right has to do with Edmund Burkean classic conservativism: nothing whatsoever. But the conservatives have allowed themselves to be infiltrated by racist fascists who have attempted to hijack their honor and piggyback on their credibility (while only ending up vampirizing it), just as the liberals have allowed themselves to be infiltrated and discredited by anticlassist communists who have done the same to them - and just like the euroneonazis are attempting to do with the antijihadist movement.

862 crosspatch  Tue, May 19, 2009 1:00:57am

I am this ->

863 crosspatch  Tue, May 19, 2009 1:01:52am

Well, that didn't work out, did it. LOL
I meant to say that I was this ->

864 crosspatch  Tue, May 19, 2009 1:02:22am

dang how do you escape angle brackets around here :)

865 crosspatch  Tue, May 19, 2009 1:03:27am

I am this close to unregistering as republican ... but I will probably vote for non-religious nut candidates they might run.

866 hazzyday  Tue, May 19, 2009 1:23:33am

re: #731 Killgore Trout

Why am I an asshole for mowing the lawn of my disabled neighbour? You people are out of your fucking minds!

Logical error. One person essentially made that point. Conflating it to the rest of the blog is an option, but not the best one. But you have been trending this way. Actually I think the majority think you did something well that not everyone would do. You're gonna flame out if you let people irkel you like that. Setting up a discriminating tone is needed.

The fat lesbian thing is a non starter for me. I'm around fat people that call people fat, gay people that call each other fags and queers and worse.

867 Salamantis  Tue, May 19, 2009 1:39:13am

re: #523 karmic_inquisitor

Why not just change the name of the GOP to "The party of God"?

Oh - I forgot. Hezbollah already took that name.

Darn.

/

Is there a reason that GOP spells POG (Party Of God) backwards?

868 RexDawg68  Tue, May 19, 2009 1:56:09am

I'm a creationist by faith alone. I don't expect my faith to coincide with the natural sciences that way, and I don't expect my faith to be taught in public schools. I understand, to an extent, the motivation, but that is not the time nor place.

869 Salamantis  Tue, May 19, 2009 2:04:34am

re: #595 reine.de.tout

Quite the "good" neighbor.

When I read that post, I couldn't help but think of our neighbor across the street - 85 years old - family doesn't bother to come over and help her manage the 4 acres of yard that she dearly loves, it is her only pleasure in life to putter about and watch the birds - the Roi's response to our neighbor has been to go over there once a week and mow the property for her, keep it cleared of fallen limbs, etc., so she can enjoy the yard.

Such a little thing, really - makes all the difference in her life.

My parents, now passed on, were Christians. I am Pagan. Their former pastor and his wife are elderly and retired now, and live across the street from me. We don't speak much since they told me that I was going to Hell for my beliefs.

Nevertheless, I keep the trash picked up in their yard, their street gutter cleaned out, and the grass trimmed on their curb. It is a sign of respect for my parents, and for the high opinion my parents held for them.

870 FabioC.  Tue, May 19, 2009 2:07:22am

Just for the sake of argument, what is Floyd's stance on the other big issues?

871 justdanny  Tue, May 19, 2009 3:43:26am

As of this writing I am still very much a Republican. But before I am a Republican I am a guy named Danny who happens to be an atheist. I agree with a lot of the conservative ideas that my Christian neighbors hold. I see the value of Judeo / Christian morals and ethics and their important role in modern western society. All but one person I have ever loved and now love is a person of faith. It should be clear that I do not oppose people of faith for their faith althugh I do not share their belief in god.

This is a slippery slope.

I will not wear an embroided letter A on my clothing.

872 zeebeach  Tue, May 19, 2009 5:13:38am

Charles, in my opinion (I know, you don't care), a person is not a "Creationist" by virtue of their willingness to have the "theory" taught in schools. I've said that I do not believe creationism should be presented in science classes. Having said that, if any state determines that they will present creationism in that setting, so be it. I have far more faith in the intelligence of our youth than you do. Twelve years of catholic school for two children only confirms my faith. One is approaching a masters degree in biomedical engineering. I assure you she is not a "creationist", though that was certainly presented to her. She rejected that at the age of 11, all on her own (imagine that!). Her sister rejected it two years later (also at the age of 11), though there were some raging battles in the house in those two years. I stayed out of the fight, believing they must develop their own beliefs. I won't legislate what ideas they are exposed to, or entertain.

873 Sharmuta  Tue, May 19, 2009 5:26:21am

re: #872 zeebeach

Well that's great and fine for you and yours. What about the rest of us who don't want our children indoctrinated with this stuff in public schools?

BTW- the Catholic Church supports evolution.

874 zeebeach  Tue, May 19, 2009 5:42:25am

re: #873 Sharmuta

I know the Catholic Church supports evolution; but they also present the "creationism" theory. That is kind of the point I was making. I understand not wanting your children "indoctrinated" with this stuff. However, since my children had attentive, engaged parents, no indoctrination occurred. I've had a bigger challenge fighting the indoctrination regarding "history" wrt communism, facsism, etc. And that's in a Catholic school! Presentation of an idea does not equal "indoctrination". If you prefer your children never hear about creationism, fine. Not sure how or why you accomplish that, but, hey it's fine with me.

875 S'latch  Tue, May 19, 2009 5:46:47am

Karen Floyd is a politician operating in South Carolina. She obviously is not a scientist.

876 zeebeach  Tue, May 19, 2009 5:49:45am

re: #875 Lawrence Schmerel

And I'm an accountant in Florida, obviously not a scientist, either. Your point?

877 zeebeach  Tue, May 19, 2009 5:55:35am

I guess maybe the fact that SC elected Karen Floyd to lead the GOP now means that SC must be ostracized. And LA also, since they elected Bobby Jindal.

Look, I don't think creationism should be presented in science class, but I do understand why the majority of voters in some states want it to be presented "side by side" with evolution. My point is that our young people will be able to figure out what they believe without our limiting what they're exposed to, in or out of science classes.

878 Salamantis  Tue, May 19, 2009 6:08:53am

re: #877 zeebeach

I guess maybe the fact that SC elected Karen Floyd to lead the GOP now means that SC must be ostracized. And LA also, since they elected Bobby Jindal.

Look, I don't think creationism should be presented in science class, but I do understand why the majority of voters in some states want it to be presented "side by side" with evolution. My point is that our young people will be able to figure out what they believe without our limiting what they're exposed to, in or out of science classes.

It's a matter of a double violation of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America (the very first Amendment in our Bill of Rights); teaching creationism in public school science class violates the Establishment Clause by respecting the creation dogmas of some religions over others, and violates the Free Exercise Clause by teaching some kids another religion's creationist dogmas against their parents' wills and in contradiction to their own personal religious faiths.

The 14th Amendment applies the federal prohibitions found in the Bill of Rights to the states.

The only way to resolve these double violations would be to teach EVERY religion's creation dogmas in public school science class. But then it wouldn't be science class any longer; it would be comparative religion class.

Religious dogmas do not belong in public school science class; only empirical science belongs there. PERIOD. No state should allow its public education system to be co-opted and subverted into a madrassa vehicle for the proselytization of other peoples' kids into particular sectarian religious dogmas. Nor, legally and constitutionally, can it do so.

879 zeebeach  Tue, May 19, 2009 6:29:48am

re: #878 Salamantis

And I totally agree. So I assume this will be challenged in a court of law, no?

880 ihateronpaul  Tue, May 19, 2009 6:36:06am

re: #9 davinvalkri


Your post is rather ironic considering Goldwater voted AGAINST the civil rights act. "You can't legislate morality" was his reason. What a fuck.

881 FrogMarch  Tue, May 19, 2009 6:44:34am

The GOP is committing suicide.

882 Yashmak  Tue, May 19, 2009 7:10:33am

re: #877 zeebeach

My point is that our young people will be able to figure out what they believe without our limiting what they're exposed to, in or out of science classes.

Obviously, they already can. . .or else we wouldn't have folks who believe I.D., even though it hasn't been taught in the science classroom. Right? Obviously, these folks are getting exposed to these ideas already, in spite of their absence from the science class, or they wouldn't be pushing them.

It's not about 'limiting what they're exposed to', it's about teaching SCIENCE in the science class, something I.D. utterly fails to qualify as (Behe himself has admitted as much).

883 Salamantis  Tue, May 19, 2009 7:16:03am

re: #879 zeebeach

And I totally agree. So I assume this will be challenged in a court of law, no?

It is every time it rears its ugly head. The Disco Institute crafts a creationism/ID law, and they get sympathetic pastors to tell their church congregations to put pressure on state legislators to sponsor and pass it, and upon governors to sign it into law. Then their in-house publishers sell the state school system creationst/ID textbooks and other materials. The law and its intrusion of creationism/ID into public schools is then challenged in court. The Disco Institute furnishes 'experts' to testify in court for fat appearance fees. The law is ruled unconstitutional, and the state board of education is prohibited from using the creationist/ID texts and other materials and subjected to stiff fines. The state school system thus loses the cost of the creationist/ID textbooks, the 'expert' witness fees, and the legal fines and court costs and attorney's fees (for both sides) incurred. The school system, and its students, teacher, and administrators suffer from a financially impoverished system until property taxes are raised to cover the costs - then property owners suffer. And the Disco Dewdes incur none of these costs, but laugh all the way to the bank with their money from the unusable creationist/ID textbook sales and their 'expert witness' testifying fees, then take their traveling road show to the next state where they think they can use naive, credulous and gullible believers as tools with which to scam the system.

884 Salamantis  Tue, May 19, 2009 7:20:30am

re: #882 Yashmak

Obviously, they already can. . .or else we wouldn't have folks who believe I.D., even though it hasn't been taught in the science classroom. Right? Obviously, these folks are getting exposed to these ideas already, in spite of their absence from the science class, or they wouldn't be pushing them.

It's not about 'limiting what they're exposed to', it's about teaching SCIENCE in the science class, something I.D. utterly fails to qualify as (Behe himself has admitted as much).

If parents wanna teach their kids their religions' creation myths, they can enroll them in a private religious school of their choice, homeschool them, or send them to Sunday school. But they shouldn't be trying to abuse the machinery of the state in order to indoctrinate other peoples' kids into their pet religious dogmas in public school science class, just so they can get the state to do the same thing with their own kids. That's unfair to all those other kids, and to their parents.

885 zeebeach  Tue, May 19, 2009 7:28:00am

re: #884 Salamantis

I'm pretty sure we're on the same page here, though you raised a very valid point regarding textbooks that I hadn't considered. I believe the textbook business, particularly in private schools, is a tremendous scam. It's easy to see how it can be abused if there isn't a uniform curriculum. I guess I'm just not as outraged as others because I haven't seen any damage to my kids having learned both darwinism and creationism (though granted, the didn't learn the creationism theory in science class).

886 Yashmak  Tue, May 19, 2009 7:34:51am

re: #884 Salamantis

Indeed.

887 Salamantis  Tue, May 19, 2009 7:38:15am

re: #885 zeebeach

I'm pretty sure we're on the same page here, though you raised a very valid point regarding textbooks that I hadn't considered. I believe the textbook business, particularly in private schools, is a tremendous scam. It's easy to see how it can be abused if there isn't a uniform curriculum. I guess I'm just not as outraged as others because I haven't seen any damage to my kids having learned both darwinism and creationism (though granted, the didn't learn the creationism theory in science class).

You're just lucky. Kids who have been taught creationism are statistically much more likely to reject evolution in college.

And this costs those kids the possibility of choosing careers in bioscience, and costs our country the discoveries and innovations they might have made here, as well as the products and services that would have come from them; instead, these will be produced and sold by other countries, benefitting their economies rather than our own.

And then there's the problem of not having the competent bioscientists necessary to quickly and correctly respond to a terrorist bioweapons attack, and the millions of deaths of US citizens that the resultant plague could cost.

888 zeebeach  Tue, May 19, 2009 8:00:35am

re: #887 Salamantis

Well, not really just lucky...I also was available to answer their questions regarding what I believe. And I do believe in evolution, don't buy the "new earth" creationism. So they really weren't "taught" creationism, so much as "exposed". And evolution is consistent with religious teaching IMO, just not the "new earth" creationism, which is clearly, demonstrably, incorrect.

889 [deleted]  Tue, May 19, 2009 8:02:32am
890 Land Shark  Tue, May 19, 2009 8:05:22am

re: #887 Salamantis

I agree 100%. This post of yours should be on a poster explaining why teaching Creationism is science class is such a horrible idea.

891 Noam Chumpski  Tue, May 19, 2009 8:07:01am

I'm from GA so I'm biased, but this is South Carolina. Home of Ft. Sumter. Maybe that'll jog your memory to what kind of extreme-side politics the state is known for.

And as Charles pointed out in another thread yesterday - this State chock full of creationist politicians (on both sides of the aisle, by the way).

I would caution using this State as THE example of where the Party is heading.

892 vyktor  Tue, May 19, 2009 8:10:11am

By injecting religion into politics & education the Republican
Party will continue to fail in regaining a majority in Congress.

RE: Steele's TV interview. If the Republicans want a welfare state
then who needs them? The Democrats are doing just fine!

893 Salamantis  Tue, May 19, 2009 8:23:04am

re: #889 Iron Fist

And how do you counter the Statist, Marxian-lite social "services" encouraging, anti-oil, anti-American K-12 Propaganda and, where necessary counter-indoctrination to override the "Jesus Freak" indoctrination that the Left so often do?

(I'd continue, but I have a meeting)

It is not a helpful treatment for students poisoned by leftist arsenic to dose them with creationist strychnine.

894 Aye Pod  Tue, May 19, 2009 8:23:23am

re: #302 Killgore Trout

There's also a story circulating on Paulian sites about the boyscouts being molested and given small arms training to turn them into Obama's private army. We'll see if that makes it into the conservative blogs in the next few weeks.

If that happens, I'll put my money on Atlas Shrugs as the first one to run with it.

895 S'latch  Tue, May 19, 2009 8:29:16am

re: #876 zeebeach

Accountancy is more of a science than politicking will ever be.

896 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 19, 2009 8:56:56am

re: #872 zeebeach

Charles, in my opinion (I know, you don't care), a person is not a "Creationist" by virtue of their willingness to have the "theory" taught in schools.

Well, that's certainly one of the more creative dodges we've seen in these threads.

Only a creationist could possibly be in favor of teaching creationism in science classes, by definition. No one who accepts the scientific fact of evolution would ever want to teach children pseudo-scientific superstition and call it "science" -- reality does not work that way.

897 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 19, 2009 8:58:26am

re: #891 Noam Chumpski

I would caution using this State as THE example of where the Party is heading.

It may or may not be representative of where the GOP is heading, but it's a fact that nearly every top GOP politician promotes creationism.

898 Aye Pod  Tue, May 19, 2009 9:04:16am
899 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 19, 2009 9:09:49am

re: #894 Jimmah

If that happens, I'll put my money on Atlas Shrugs as the first one to run with it.

Today she's bashing Benjamin Netanyahu because he doesn't hate Muslims enough. Yes, really.

900 doubter4444  Tue, May 19, 2009 9:13:33am

re: #2 freetoken

It's like shooting kittens in a barrel...

It's like shooting "sea kittens" in a barrel, you mean!

901 doubter4444  Tue, May 19, 2009 9:15:28am

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

slightly fixed

Arggggh! I knew it was too late to use that!

902 Land Shark  Tue, May 19, 2009 9:21:54am

re: #877 zeebeach

But why stop at Creationism? if you're going to inject religion into science class, why not include the resurrection of Jesus, or the Virgin Mary getting pregnant while remaining a virgin? Or some other religious belief at odds with science? And how about non-Christian religious beliefs? Once you start injecting religion into science class, where does it stop?

There is a place were young people can learn about Creationism and the like. It's called church/synagogue/mosque/whatever. Leave science class to science.

903 Aye Pod  Tue, May 19, 2009 9:26:24am

re: #899 Charles

Today she's bashing Benjamin Netanyahu because he doesn't hate Muslims enough. Yes, really.

G_wd. I also saw her attacking Jews who voted for Obama recently for not being real Jews - she is actually calling them "JINO's". This should be every bit as offensive, I would have thought, as calling black republicans "coconuts" or "uncle Toms".

904 Aye Pod  Tue, May 19, 2009 9:30:53am

re: #902 Land Shark

But why stop at Creationism? if you're going to inject religion into science class, why not include the resurrection of Jesus, or the Virgin Mary getting pregnant while remaining a virgin?

It occurred to me recently that an easy way to make some money might be to produce a book called "Resurrection Science: How Quantum Physics Explains Jesus Triumph Over Death"

905 Land Shark  Tue, May 19, 2009 9:39:24am

re: #904 Jimmah

It occurred to me recently that an easy way to make some money might be to produce a book called "Resurrection Science: How Quantum Physics Explains Jesus Triumph Over Death"

Great idea! I bet we can get the Discovery Institute to get the ball rolling by giving you a big advance on it too.

906 Aye Pod  Tue, May 19, 2009 9:51:22am

re: #905 Land Shark

Great idea! I bet we can get the Discovery Institute to get the ball rolling by giving you a big advance on it too.

It's a market for whom validity means nothing, and wish fulfillment everything. This is a book that would require no effort at all to write - fill it up with any old crap and watch it fly off creationist bookshelves.

907 Aye Pod  Tue, May 19, 2009 10:03:53am

Looks like I may be too late:

[Link: www3.interscience.wiley.com...]

Quantum Theory and the Resurrection of Jesus
By Anders S. Tune 1
1 Wittenberg University, Springfield, Ohio
Copyright Blackwell Publishing, 2004
KEYWORDS
contingency • determinism • indeterminism • miracle • modern physics • probability • quantum theory • resurrection of Jesus • resurrection traditions
ABSTRACT

Abstract: Ever since the time of Hume it has been a truism that the worldview of empirical science, and Christian assertion of the resurrection of Jesus, are antithetical to each other. Yet post‐Newtonian science, and especially quantum theory, suggests the need for a reappraisal of this truism. This reappraisal will first examine the implications of the indeterminism of the quantum world, to consider the physical possibility of Jesus' resurrection. Second, an appraisal of the historical evidence will suggest the likelihood of Jesus' resurrection. Finally, I will consider some implications of all this for contemporary Christian thought.

908 Land Shark  Tue, May 19, 2009 10:04:44am

re: #906 Jimmah

It's a market for whom validity means nothing, and wish fulfillment everything. This is a book that would require no effort at all to write - fill it up with any old crap and watch it fly off creationist bookshelves.

That's the beauty of it. No need to check facts or be right, give 'em what they want and watch your bank account grow. Just put in enough of their favorite catch phrases (Evolution is an un-proven theory! Evolution is a dogma! Evolutionists will rot in hell! Darwin was a douchebag! "Expelled" was a great movie!) and you're golden.

909 Land Shark  Tue, May 19, 2009 10:07:21am

re: #907 Jimmah

Laughing my ass off! You have what it takes to be a great soothsayer, Jimmah.

You can't make this crap up!

910 Yashmak  Tue, May 19, 2009 10:28:48am

re: #895 Lawrence Schmerel

Accountancy is more of a science than politicking will ever be.

One of our nation's big problems, is that many at high levels are treating it as an art these days, rather than a science. If they were treating it as a science, they would have, you know, looked at historical precedent before making policy decisions that have proven inadequate or just plain wrong in the past.

911 ukuleledave  Tue, May 19, 2009 10:51:53am

The temerity of some people! Having opposing views, and writing about them. Then actually using the political infrastructure to advance those notions. You'd think that she'd understand that differing opinions can lead nowhere in the New America.

Thank God for the Daily Ko...er, Daily LGF for giving us the important information about people of faith. Keep an eye on the Amish for me too. Now that's a group we should watch out for.

912 Jim D  Tue, May 19, 2009 10:57:07am

re: #911 ukuleledave

When the notions they wish to advance violate the US Constitution, I am extremely thankful that LGF keeps me informed.

913 Aye Pod  Tue, May 19, 2009 11:12:57am

re: #911 ukuleledave

Moron.

914 ukuleledave  Tue, May 19, 2009 11:16:30am

In what bloody way? Has Congress established a religion? Wake me when that happens. Read the wording of the document. She wants diversity of opinion in school.

Is your precious science so weak that a mere Christianist can tear down the whole system? If so, it must be a pretty weak science.

Liberalism has BEEN the state religion for more that three decades, and it is taught and retaught in schools across America. Moderate Republicans slept while it happened. Face it, the Hopi Indian creation story can be taught in schools, but that carpenter from Nazareth? No, not so much.

I don't really want ID taught in schools along side science. But this insistence upon ONE TRUE FAITH (which excludes the possibility of a greater power) is just loopy.

Enjoy your echo chamber. While you congratulate yourselves on agreeing with each other, remember that the SC Republicans chose her. Unanimously. I'm betting that she has more going for herself than just this one subject. Lately, that can't really be said of LGF.

915 ukuleledave  Tue, May 19, 2009 11:19:38am

Jimmah: And yet I still manage to get through my day without insulting people who disagree with me.

Grow up.

916 Aye Pod  Tue, May 19, 2009 11:24:16am

re: #915 ukuleledave

Jimmah: And yet I still manage to get through my day without insulting people who disagree with me.

No you fucking don't :


Thank God for the Daily Ko...er, Daily LGF
917 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 19, 2009 11:31:58am

re: #914 ukuleledave

I'm betting that she has more going for herself than just this one subject. Lately, that can't really be said of LGF.

Does it hurt to be that stupid?

Current subjects on the LGF front page:

Ron Paul support at SC GOP convention
Measles outbreak in Wales
Saddam's torture chamber
Open letter to Oprah
DeNuke Iran
Steele on 'centrists'
The space shuttle's mission to repair the Hubble
The meeting of Obama and Netanyahu
A music video of the Finn Brothers
Maureen Dowd's plagiarism
Downgrading Flash 10
An Onion comedy video
Tamil Tigers defeated
Obama at Notre Dame
Palestinian Nakba propaganda
Women win election in Kuwait
Cynthia McKinney at UC Irvine
Huntsman as China ambassador
High speed video of a hummingbird

... and ... two posts about creationism.

It really must be painful to suffer from such narrowly focused tunnel vision.

918 Aye Pod  Tue, May 19, 2009 11:39:10am
In what bloody way? Has Congress established a religion? Wake me when that happens. Read the wording of the document. She wants diversity of opinion in school.

We've been through this a million times. ID is a front for creationism. The aim of teaching religion in public school science classes is unconstitutional. 'Diversity of opinion' is, as I'm 100% sure you well know, part of the ID movements latest vocabulary for achieving this.


Is your precious science so weak that a mere Christianist can tear down the whole system? If so, it must be a pretty weak science.

Science has nothing to fear from ID, a theory so weak it doesn't even exist. It is our childrens education that is being defended, and the constitution of the USA, not science. If we allow the teaching of unscientific nonsense like ID in science class, then we have allowed our children's education, and the constitution, to be compromised. Standing against that does not entail any fears for the 'safety' of science, but a concern for upholding the constitution, and our children's right to a good public education.

919 Yashmak  Tue, May 19, 2009 12:13:51pm

re: #914 ukuleledave

In what bloody way? Has Congress established a religion? Wake me when that happens. Read the wording of the document. She wants diversity of opinion in school.

Not if she wants I.D. taught in the science classroom. ID is gussied up creationism; religious dogma. Now, if you're ok with kids being taught religious dogma in the science classroom, get ready. . .because once Christianity installs itself there, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism. . .they're all going to be going for a piece of that pie.

Is your precious science so weak that a mere Christianist can tear down the whole system? If so, it must be a pretty weak science.

Is youre precious faith so weak that you must corrupt the ideals of science to foist it off on impressionable youths?

Liberalism has BEEN the state religion for more that three decades, and it is taught and retaught in schools across America.

One doesn't fix one problem, by adding another one of the same sort.

Moderate Republicans slept while it happened. Face it, the Hopi Indian creation story can be taught in schools, but that carpenter from Nazareth? No, not so much.

The Hopi Indian creation story is not taught in the science classroom, and shouldn't be. Neither should the story of that carpenter from Nazareth, or a multi-armed elephant headed diety, or what-have-you.

I don't really want ID taught in schools along side science. But this insistence upon ONE TRUE FAITH (which excludes the possibility of a greater power) is just loopy.

If you don't, then I don't know what you're going on about. And your assertion that anyone is insisting on a 'one true faith' is absurd. Faith exists in the absence of evidence. Science cares only for evidence, faith is irrelevant.

Enjoy your echo chamber.

Ah yes, the one in which dissenting opinions (like yours) are never heard. . .oh wait. . .

While you congratulate yourselves on agreeing with each other, remember that the SC Republicans chose her.

Yes yes, and Americans in general voted Obama into office by a pretty good margin. Wasn't THAT a smart move!?!

920 Yashmak  Tue, May 19, 2009 12:18:01pm

re: #917 Charles

Does it hurt to be that stupid?

It really must be painful to suffer from such narrowly focused tunnel vision.

It's not stupidity Charles, it's dishonesty. There could be one topic on this subject, out of hundreds, and he'd still make the same claim that you're spending all your time on I.D. Blatant dishonesty.

921 Land Shark  Tue, May 19, 2009 1:07:59pm

re: #914 ukuleledave

One truth? Then as a logical extension of what you're saying, we need to force Sunday schools to teach evolution and other scientific topics as well. Why limit them to one truth only? I'm sure that one would receive lots of support among the Creationist / ID faithful, eh? - NOT!

I don't see people who believe in evolution trying to force religions to teach it. It's the religious folks trying to force science class to teach their dogma.

922 Salamantis  Tue, May 19, 2009 2:18:43pm

re: #914 ukuleledave

In what bloody way? Has Congress established a religion? Wake me when that happens. Read the wording of the document. She wants diversity of opinion in school.

Yeah, and let's teach astrology, alchemy, and flat earth geocentrism while we're at it.
/

Is your precious science so weak that a mere Christianist can tear down the whole system? If so, it must be a pretty weak science.

Religion doesn't belong in public school science class any more than evolution belongs in the pulpit; kapeesh?

I didn't think so.

Liberalism has BEEN the state religion for more that three decades, and it is taught and retaught in schools across America. Moderate Republicans slept while it happened. Face it, the Hopi Indian creation story can be taught in schools, but that carpenter from Nazareth? No, not so much.

They can both be taught, but in comparative religion class, not in science class.

I don't really want ID taught in schools along side science. But this insistence upon ONE TRUE FAITH (which excludes the possibility of a greater power) is just loopy.

Whenever creationists/IDers fail to elevate their pet religious dogmas top the level of empirical science, they endeavor to reduce empirical science to the status of revealed religion. But here they fail, too, becaues the bright line distinctions of the presence of empirical evidence vs. its utter absence, and the possibility of verification/falsification vs. its impossibility, cannot be erased.

Enjoy your echo chamber. While you congratulate yourselves on agreeing with each other, remember that the SC Republicans chose her. Unanimously. I'm betting that she has more going for herself than just this one subject. Lately, that can't really be said of LGF.

Science is not a popularity contest. The earth was not a flat plain circled by the sun when everyone believed that it was, that only morphed into a sun-circling sphere when popular opinions changed. Nor is empirical reality bendable by the pious fervency of one's belief; otherwise, splodeydope jihadis would be the go-to guys for all things scientific.

923 Salamantis  Tue, May 19, 2009 2:23:12pm

re: #911 ukuleledave

The temerity of some people! Having opposing views, and writing about them. Then actually using the political infrastructure to advance those notions. You'd think that she'd understand that differing opinions can lead nowhere in the New America.

It can't change gravity, or relativity, or quantum mechanics, or evolution. Try making pi equal to three, and erecting buildings using that ratio.

Thank God for the Daily Ko...er, Daily LGF for giving us the important information about people of faith. Keep an eye on the Amish for me too. Now that's a group we should watch out for.

The Amish aren't trying to unconstitutionally abuse the machinery of the state in order to indoctrinate other people's kids in their pet religious dogmas in public school science class. These folks are.


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