The sublime and the ridiculous are often so nearly related, that it is difficult to class them separately. One step above the sublime makes the ridiculous, and one step above the ridiculous makes the sublime again.
— Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 11:23:45pm |
Give me Liberty or give me death. Or at least a stiff drink.
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 11:26:15pm |
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Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 11:26:22pm |
The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine. Read the book when I was around 18 years old. I sought it out at the time. Couldn't say much about it now since it's been decades since I read it. I have a general understanding.
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zombie Mon, May 18, 2009 11:27:54pm |
Hmmmmm. Just got the following email from someone I don't know:
"Hello,
I'll be brief. I was curious as to what group you believe to be the most active in your area (Which is San Francisco, if I remember). Meaning, among groups such as the ANSWER Coalition, World Can't Wait and such, which group do you believe is the most active? Also, the same question applies to communist parties like the Party for Socialism and Liberation, Workers World and the Revolutionary Communist Party. Which ones seem to be the largest and growing the quickest?
I appreciate your input."
In my paranoia, I feel there is a chance this email comes from World Can't Wait or ANSWER, trying to get my IP address from my email reply. As a result, I plan to trash the email unanswered. Should I answer? Am I being too paranoid?
Oh, and whoever sent that, if you're reading this, and not phishing for my ID:
WCW is the most "active" in that they put on the most protests, but ANSWER is the most "active" in that they have the most members. The key difference is that WCW are atheists and will not cooperate with Muslims, but ANSWER is basically fusing with radical Muslim goups and is rapidly becoming an Islamic Marxist revolutionary group.
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Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 11:28:50pm |
One step above the sublime makes the ridiculous, and one step above the ridiculous makes the sublime again.
It's almost like an infinitely extruding double-helix.
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redc1c4 Mon, May 18, 2009 11:29:10pm |
re: #7 zombie
Hmmmmm. Just got the following email from someone I don't know:
"Hello,
I'll be brief. I was curious as to what group you believe to be the most active in your area (Which is San Francisco, if I remember). Meaning, among groups such as the ANSWER Coalition, World Can't Wait and such, which group do you believe is the most active? Also, the same question applies to communist parties like the Party for Socialism and Liberation, Workers World and the Revolutionary Communist Party. Which ones seem to be the largest and growing the quickest?
I appreciate your input."In my paranoia, I feel there is a chance this email comes from World Can't Wait or ANSWER, trying to get my IP address from my email reply. As a result, I plan to trash the email unanswered. Should I answer? Am I being too paranoid?
Oh, and whoever sent that, if you're reading this, and not phishing for my ID:
WCW is the most "active" in that they put on the most protests, but ANSWER is the most "active" in that they have the most members. The key difference is that WCW are atheists and will not cooperate with Muslims, but ANSWER is basically fusing with radical Muslim goups and is rapidly becoming an Islamic Marxist revolutionary group.
email me the addy, and i'll reply for you.....
/that'll mess them up. %-)
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zombie Mon, May 18, 2009 11:30:30pm |
Also, the Revolutionary Communist Party and WCW are basically the same thing. Only difference is that in their WCW persona, they leave out the Bob Avakian cult stuff. But otherwise, the membership is the same, as is the message.
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zombie Mon, May 18, 2009 11:31:47pm |
re: #9 redc1c4
email me the addy, and i'll reply for you.....
/that'll mess them up. %-)
A ha! I knew you were a spy!
I shall never email anyone again!
Also, I'm going to wear Kleenex boxes on my typing hands from here on out!
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WindHorse Mon, May 18, 2009 11:31:50pm |
Zombie, What is the benefit to you if you respond to this? I would ignore it.
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Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 11:32:29pm |
re: #7 zombie
Hmmmmm. Just got the following email from someone I don't know:
"Hello,
I'll be brief. I was curious as to what group you believe to be the most active in your area (Which is San Francisco, if I remember). Meaning, among groups such as the ANSWER Coalition, World Can't Wait and such, which group do you believe is the most active? Also, the same question applies to communist parties like the Party for Socialism and Liberation, Workers World and the Revolutionary Communist Party. Which ones seem to be the largest and growing the quickest?
I appreciate your input."In my paranoia, I feel there is a chance this email comes from World Can't Wait or ANSWER, trying to get my IP address from my email reply. As a result, I plan to trash the email unanswered. Should I answer? Am I being too paranoid?
Oh, and whoever sent that, if you're reading this, and not phishing for my ID:
WCW is the most "active" in that they put on the most protests, but ANSWER is the most "active" in that they have the most members. The key difference is that WCW are atheists and will not cooperate with Muslims, but ANSWER is basically fusing with radical Muslim goups and is rapidly becoming an Islamic Marxist revolutionary group.
What about starting an "Ask Zombie" section on your website?
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 11:32:32pm |
re: #8 Gus 802
It's almost like an infinitely extruding double-helix.
Like asking if we're up too early or up too late.
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redc1c4 Mon, May 18, 2009 11:32:51pm |
re: #12 zombie
A ha! I knew you were a spy!
I shall never email anyone again!
Also, I'm going to wear Kleenex boxes on my typing hands from here on out!
that's okay: i think you're Killian Bundy's sock.
/white smoke
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BatGuano Mon, May 18, 2009 11:33:07pm |
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wiffersnapper Mon, May 18, 2009 11:33:52pm |
Kept thinking of Sublime and Ludacris...
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redc1c4 Mon, May 18, 2009 11:33:58pm |
re: #15 Gus 802
What about starting an "Ask Zombie" section on your website?
that's a great idea.....
/i'm glad i thought of it. %-)
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zombie Mon, May 18, 2009 11:34:25pm |
re: #14 WindHorse
Zombie, What is the benefit to you if you respond to this?
Relief of guilt feelings for being rude.
I would ignore it.
That's what I plan to do.
Last time i got involved in a series of conversations like this, someone wrote a PhD thesis on my collected works, and is now an assistant professor somewhere. Never heard from them again. Grrrrrr.
If it's not paranoia about one thing, it's about another.
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Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 11:34:37pm |
re: #20 redc1c4
that's a great idea.....
/i'm glad i thought of it. %-)
I had to scroll up and check! ;)
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BatGuano Mon, May 18, 2009 11:35:44pm |
re: #13 redc1c4
perfect paranoia is perfect awareness....
Reminds me of a quot from the sixties or seventies: The paranoids are after me!
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Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 11:35:58pm |
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zombie Mon, May 18, 2009 11:36:46pm |
re: #15 Gus 802
What about starting an "Ask Zombie" section on your website?
re: #20 redc1c4
that's a great idea.....
/i'm glad i thought of it. %-)
Hell I hardly have time to post any blog posts anymore these days -- much less have an advice column.
Maybe when things settle down in my "real" life. Too busy with career stuff at the moment to do much blogofying.
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Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 11:36:59pm |
re: #24 redc1c4
i'm w*rking on my PhD too!
Hey that's easy. Just do what Maureen Dowd does. Cut and paste. ;)
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redc1c4 Mon, May 18, 2009 11:38:12pm |
re: #27 zombie
Hell I hardly have time to post any blog posts anymore these days -- much less have an advice column.
Maybe when things settle down in my "real" life. Too busy with career stuff at the moment to do much blogofying.
the economy should solve that problem for you shortly......
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Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 11:38:38pm |
re: #27 zombie
Hell I hardly have time to post any blog posts anymore these days -- much less have an advice column.
Maybe when things settle down in my "real" life. Too busy with career stuff at the moment to do much blogofying.
OK An "Ask Zombie" section could be both serious and humorous. You can use some of the more extreme emails and toy with the ideologies.
I tried a blog once and found myself spending way too much time on it and deleted it. Was eating up my work time.
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redc1c4 Mon, May 18, 2009 11:38:46pm |
re: #28 Gus 802
Hey that's easy. Just do what Maureen Dowd does. Cut and paste. ;)
i thought that was Nancy's plastic surgeon?
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MrPaulRevere Mon, May 18, 2009 11:38:50pm |
'Just because you are paranoid, does not mean they aren't out to get you.' I read somewhere that was attributable to Henry Kissinger. 'Ole Hank knew a thing or two.
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 11:39:31pm |
re: #34 MrPaulRevere
'Just because you are paranoid, does not mean they aren't out to get you.' I read somewhere that was attributable to Henry Kissinger. 'Ole Hank knew a thing or two.
It's a Nirvana lyric.
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redc1c4 Mon, May 18, 2009 11:39:49pm |
re: #32 Gus 802
OK An "Ask Zombie" section could be both serious and humorous. You can use some of the more extreme emails and toy with the ideologies.
I tried a blog once and found myself spending way too much time on it and deleted it. Was eating up my work time.
whereas i have a blog, and was told it was a "pathetic excuse".....
for what, i'm still not sure.
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Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 11:40:21pm |
re: #33 redc1c4
i thought that was Nancy's plastic surgeon?
And Joan Rivers surgeon. He's also the attorney for Nancy Pelosi.
//
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 11:40:50pm |
Just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you:
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Bob Dillon Mon, May 18, 2009 11:42:45pm |
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Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 11:43:17pm |
re: #36 redc1c4
whereas i have a blog, and was told it was a "pathetic excuse".....
for what, i'm still not sure.
Yeah, you can't please everyone. I've always said you can be the best at what you do and someone will still criticize you. Duke Ellington would probably get hate mail about his music.
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redc1c4 Mon, May 18, 2009 11:46:01pm |
re: #39 Sharmuta
Just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you:
[Video]
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 11:47:26pm |
re: #41 Gus 802
Yeah, you can't please everyone. I've always said you can be the best at what you do and someone will still criticize you. Duke Ellington would probably get hate mail about his music.
There are people out there pissed at the Pope because 0bama spoke at Notre Dame- so now he's the worst Pope ever.
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redc1c4 Mon, May 18, 2009 11:47:47pm |
re: #40 Bobibutu
Should I answer? Am I being too paranoid?
No and no.
love many, trust few, always cut the cards.
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zombie Mon, May 18, 2009 11:48:03pm |
re: #41 Gus 802
Yeah, you can't please everyone. I've always said you can be the best at what you do and someone will still criticize you. Duke Ellington would probably get hate mail about his music.
As I said in an earlier comment on this exact subject:
"That F$*&ckin' Duke Ellington! Who the hell does he think he is with all that fancy-schmancy piano playing and elegant persona an' shit? I'm gonna kick his ass!
Do you know him? I'm gonna kick your ass too!"
Why is Duke Ellington's hate mail from me such a popular topic around here?
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redc1c4 Mon, May 18, 2009 11:48:48pm |
re: #43 Sharmuta
There are people out there pissed at the Pope because 0bama spoke at Notre Dame- so now he's the worst Pope ever.
they're doing the Vatican Rag?
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Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 11:48:53pm |
re: #45 zombie
As I said in an earlier comment on this exact subject:
"That F$*&ckin' Duke Ellington! Who the hell does he think he is with all that fancy-schmancy piano playing and elegant persona an' shit? I'm gonna kick his ass!
Do you know him? I'm gonna kick your ass too!"
Why is Duke Ellington's hate mail from me such a popular topic around here?
I need to come up with some new material. ;)
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zombie Mon, May 18, 2009 11:51:07pm |
Recently arrived from the United Arab Emirates at the MoMail in-box:
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From: "Ashraf J. Awadalla" ashraf.j@____.co.ae
Subject: hi
What r u issuing of garbage about our prophet is your sick thinking, your empty soul, your dramatic destiny.
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Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 11:51:40pm |
re: #43 Sharmuta
There are people out there pissed at the Pope because 0bama spoke at Notre Dame- so now he's the worst Pope ever.
Really? I can believe it. Think of the possibilities and it can happen. Or think of the criticism and it can be found. Like people protesting a cartoon movie. I'm kind of warming up to the "new" Pope. I like to always remember that people aren't perfect -- I guess that's too much to except from others. They look for the everyman. A person that encapsulates every single bit of their own self. It's non-existent.
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zombie Mon, May 18, 2009 11:53:09pm |
I really wonder how a guy in Dubai riffling through an Arabic-English dictionary for insulting phrases could come up with something like "dramatic destiny."
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 11:53:44pm |
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redc1c4 Mon, May 18, 2009 11:53:45pm |
re: #51 zombie
I really wonder how a guy in Dubai riffling through an Arabic-English dictionary for insulting phrases could come up with something like "dramatic destiny."
too much goat sex?
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Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 11:53:49pm |
re: #49 zombie
Recently arrived from the United Arab Emirates at the MoMail in-box:
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From: "Ashraf J. Awadalla" ashraf.j@____.co.ae
Subject: hiWhat r u issuing of garbage about our prophet is your sick thinking, your empty soul, your dramatic destiny.
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Interesting in how he uses the Western form of "are you" in "ru."
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Sharmuta Mon, May 18, 2009 11:56:19pm |
re: #50 Gus 802
I like Benedict too. And you're right, of course. It's important to keep in mind we're all human, and make mistakes. The key is to be forgiving as we would want others to forgive us.
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haakondahl Mon, May 18, 2009 11:56:42pm |
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zombie Mon, May 18, 2009 11:56:56pm |
re: #55 Gus 802
Interesting in how he uses the Western form of "are you" in "ru."
They're heavily into the text-messaging slang over there. A lot of emails I get from wealthy Arab countries contain abbreviation jargon like that.
Hey, as long as he's one of the few who doesn't say he wants to kill me, I'm not complaining!
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Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 11:57:04pm |
re: #53 Sharmuta
Really:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Thanks. I missed that post, link, and article. I'm sure you are aware of my feelings about some of those misanthropes.
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redc1c4 Mon, May 18, 2009 11:57:28pm |
re: #56 Sharmuta
I like Benedict too. And you're right, of course. It's important to keep in mind we're all human, and make mistakes. The key is to be forgiving as we would want others to forgive us.
forgive? what kind of silly thinking is that?
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haakondahl Mon, May 18, 2009 11:57:55pm |
re: #47 redc1c4
they're doing the Vatican Rag?
You can do any steps you want if
you have cleared them with the Pontiff...
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BatGuano Mon, May 18, 2009 11:58:21pm |
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Gus Mon, May 18, 2009 11:58:29pm |
re: #57 haakondahl
That's a James Taylor lyric.
Ah. I must have been influenced by the great James Taylor Mind Meld. :)
It's true though of course.
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redc1c4 Mon, May 18, 2009 11:59:01pm |
re: #61 haakondahl
You can do any steps you want if
you have cleared them with the Pontiff...
i prefer the "Funky Western Civilization"
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 12:00:01am |
Today in History, May 19th:
Highlights during this day in history: Actress Marilyn Monroe sings a sultry 'Happy Birthday' to President John F. Kennedy; Black militant Malcolm X born; Former First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis dies; The Who's Pete Townshend born.
Other notable May 19th events include:
1828 – U.S. President John Quincy Adams signs the Tariff of 1828 into law, protecting wool manufacturers in the United States.
1897 – Oscar Wilde is released from Reading Gaol.
1921 – The U.S. Congress passes the Emergency Quota Act establishing national quotas on immigration.
1991 – Croatians vote for independence at their independence referendum.
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haakondahl Tue, May 19, 2009 12:00:06am |
re: #62 BatGuano
And a Rick Nelson lyric from Garden Party.
Um, that's the guy. I should have known--Garden Party is far to upbeat for James Taylor.
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 12:00:17am |
re: #61 haakondahl
You can do any steps you want if
you have cleared them with the Pontiff...
There the man who's got religion'l
tell you if your sin's original.
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 12:00:44am |
Hey, you can download the whole book here:
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 12:01:10am |
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haakondahl Tue, May 19, 2009 12:01:23am |
re: #68 BatGuano
There the man who's got religion'l
tell you if your sin's original.
Ave Maria,
Gee it's good to see ya!
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zombie Tue, May 19, 2009 12:01:37am |
Here's one out of Bahrain, using a HotMail address:
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"From: Abeer Kedwai ___@hotmail.com
WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM ?
TAKING VERSES OUT OF THE QURAN AND TWISITNG THEM OUT OF CONTEXT ISNT FAIR !
NO ONE MOCKS THE STUPIDITY OF YOUR RELIGION ?
FUCKK YOU ASSHOLE :)
Abeeeeriio x
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 12:02:16am |
re: #26 Gus 802
Or who's on first?
Since you mention it, and considering it's Pete Townshend's birthday, here's what we get when we mix The Who with Who's On First:
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 12:03:05am |
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haakondahl Tue, May 19, 2009 12:03:19am |
re: #72 zombie
Wow. It's a riddle, wrapped in falafel, dipped in shit.
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 12:04:06am |
re: #73 gmsc
Since you mention it, and considering it's Pete Townshend's birthday, here's what we get when we mix The Who with Who's On First:
[Video]
Who?
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zombie Tue, May 19, 2009 12:06:46am |
re: #75 haakondahl
These last four years of getting countless emails from Muslims around the world has left me with a very uncharitable opinion about their ability to think clearly -- or think at all, frankly. Knee-jerk hatred seems to be the primary mental process.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 12:07:25am |
re: #70 Sharmuta
It's Divine- or so I've been told.
sounds like some claptrap my aunt, who changed her name to Xxxxxxxx Devine would come up with. she spent most of her life w*rking in the 3rd world, accomplished jack long term, and still thinks they know more than we do.
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 12:08:33am |
re: #80 Sharmuta
[Video]
They're all dressed like they're ready for a skating routine in the Olympics. //
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 12:09:03am |
evening/nite folks...We had a surprise cook out @ work....just finished up.
What's new?
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 12:09:14am |
re: #85 Gus 802
They're all dressed like they're ready for a skating routine in the Olympics. //
I loved the drummer in the jacket with no shirt.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 12:10:52am |
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 12:11:25am |
re: #89 Sharmuta
I loved the drummer in the jacket with no shirt.
I wasn't even a teenager at the time. 4 years later though Edgar Winter along with Johnny was part of the scene.
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 12:12:50am |
re: #88 srb1976
evening/nite folks...We had a surprise cook out @ work....just finished up.
What's new?
LNDT, Who, Yes, The Band, James Taylor, Edgar Winter, the Pope, crazy emails from Dubai... and Thomas Paine.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 12:14:06am |
re: #95 Gus 802
LNDT, Who, Yes, The Band, James Taylor, Edgar Winter, the Pope, crazy emails from Dubai... and Thomas Paine.
and a rat check.....
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 12:16:17am |
re: #89 Sharmuta
Sharmuta, I'm sorry I lost it earlier.
I couldn't believe the corners from which I was seeing the "throw the baby out with the bath water" attitude about the Tea Parties and other tax protests. Honestly, it still throws me for a loop.
If we're going to wait until everything is ideologically pure before we pursue it, we've got a really long wait on our hands.
I prefer to do what I can, and not worry about what other people do or don't do.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 12:17:55am |
re: #98 gmsc
Sharmuta, I'm sorry I lost it earlier.
I couldn't believe the corners from which I was seeing the "throw the baby out with the bath water" attitude about the Tea Parties and other tax protests. Honestly, it still throws me for a loop.
If we're going to wait until everything is ideologically pure before we pursue it, we've got a really long wait on our hands.
I prefer to do what I can, and not worry about what other people do or don't do.
i'm amused by the attitude that, if there was one objectionable person/idea anywhere, the whole movement/effort is tainted and should be abandoned.....
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 12:18:26am |
James Taylor - Fire and Rain (Beacon Theatre)
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 12:18:49am |
re: #98 gmsc
That's thoughtful, but I'm not the one you should say it to.
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 12:20:30am |
re: #99 redc1c4
i'm amused by the attitude that, if there was one objectionable person/idea anywhere, the whole movement/effort is tainted and should be abandoned.....
I'm amused by it, too. However, when I took posts of that attitude from Walter and Charles, and reposted them replacing "Tea Parties" with "South Carolina" and "Republican Party", they didn't find it so amusing.
I think that's my first ding by Charles on any one of my posts. I know it's definitely my first downding by him. I consider it a battle scar.
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 12:21:48am |
re: #95 Gus 802
LNDT, Who, Yes, The Band, James Taylor, Edgar Winter, the Pope, crazy emails from Dubai... and Thomas Paine.
Wow, you guys cover ground fast = )
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 12:22:34am |
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MrPaulRevere Tue, May 19, 2009 12:23:46am |
I don't worry about a damn thing. I have my Orange Crush
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 12:23:51am |
re: #101 Sharmuta
That's thoughtful, but I'm not the one you should say it to.
I was specifically addressing you, because you seemed shocked that I would do that.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 12:25:41am |
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 12:25:50am |
re: #102 gmsc
I'm amused by it, too. However, when I took posts of that attitude from Walter and Charles, and reposted them replacing "Tea Parties" with "South Carolina" and "Republican Party", they didn't find it so amusing.
I think that's my first ding by Charles on any one of my posts. I know it's definitely my first downding by him. I consider it a battle scar.
i don;t bother when it's apparent that things are locked.... at most i'll make a snipe, then just move on. it dosen't pay to get decisively engaged over nothing.
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 12:26:08am |
re: #102 gmsc
I'm amused by it, too. However, when I took posts of that attitude from Walter and Charles, and reposted them replacing "Tea Parties" with "South Carolina" and "Republican Party", they didn't find it so amusing.
I think that's my first ding by Charles on any one of my posts. I know it's definitely my first downding by him. I consider it a battle scar.
I don't know what it was that got the Charles downding, but I've been hit by him a few times. Several times I deserved it for being stupid, for which I apologized; once was a difference of opinion for which I don't apologize.
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MrPaulRevere Tue, May 19, 2009 12:26:36am |
re: #102 gmsc
Noble sentiment that. However I do believe the tea parties have been compromised, and that sucks.
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 12:27:01am |
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haakondahl Tue, May 19, 2009 12:27:49am |
re: #81 zombie
These last four years of getting countless emails from Muslims around the world has left me with a very uncharitable opinion about their ability to think clearly -- or think at all, frankly. Knee-jerk hatred seems to be the primary mental process.
I suspect that your results are skewed in that direction by the self-selection of those who are motivated to dash off replies on e-mail in a second language.
You get the ESL problem in communications, and the internet anonymity problem in behavior, added to what is already a hot topic, what with religion, poor government, and the behavior of large groups. I would hazard a guess that most people who write to you this way were referred to your site by somebody else who said "You gotta see what this one American asshole said!", and start off with a head of steam before reading a word of your posts.
I can only guess what your mailbox looks like, but you are not really dealing with a representative sample.
It would of course be just as incorrect to assume that all of them are just like us, and that norms of values and limits on behavior will hold across the divide, which is a favorite mistake of the left.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 12:30:31am |
re: #111 MrPaulRevere
Noble sentiment that. However I do believe the tea parties have been compromised, and that sucks.
some maybe, but no reason to just give up, or not try and take them back......
the usual suspects just want us to sit and soak in the centrist stew, rather than re energize the grass roots. i say we need to stand for something.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 12:31:16am |
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SixDegrees Tue, May 19, 2009 12:32:47am |
re: #7 zombie
Hmmmmm. Just got the following email from someone I don't know:
"Hello,
I'll be brief. I was curious as to what group you believe to be the most active in your area (Which is San Francisco, if I remember). Meaning, among groups such as the ANSWER Coalition, World Can't Wait and such, which group do you believe is the most active? Also, the same question applies to communist parties like the Party for Socialism and Liberation, Workers World and the Revolutionary Communist Party. Which ones seem to be the largest and growing the quickest?
I appreciate your input."
In my paranoia, I feel there is a chance this email comes from World Can't Wait or ANSWER, trying to get my IP address from my email reply. As a result, I plan to trash the email unanswered. Should I answer? Am I being too paranoid?
Oh, and whoever sent that, if you're reading this, and not phishing for my ID:
WCW is the most "active" in that they put on the most protests, but ANSWER is the most "active" in that they have the most members. The key difference is that WCW are atheists and will not cooperate with Muslims, but ANSWER is basically fusing with radical Muslim goups and is rapidly becoming an Islamic Marxist revolutionary group.
Probably been suggested already, but consider setting up a throwaway email account at Yahoo or Google Mail to answer such requests if you're concerned.
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 12:32:47am |
re: #110 BatGuano
I don't know what it was that got the Charles downding, but I've been hit by him a few times. Several times I deserved it for being stupid, for which I apologized; once was a difference of opinion for which I don't apologize.
Just for reference, we were discussing the tea parties and the Paulians and Nazis appearing in them, when Charles and Walter posted these messages:
re: #836 Walter L. Newton
Yep, pithy phrases will come to the rescue. I'll save my efforts for NOT supporting something like the tea parties until I hear the organizers make obvious public pronouncements against the kind of kooks that want to squirrel into these events.
End of my story.
re: #830 Charles
Look. The reality is that almost none of the people who are organizing these tea parties will even acknowledge the problem. I know of only one case in which people have spoken out against the Ron Paul factions taking over -- and in that case, they got shouted down and kicked out.
To be honest, I doubt that anything will change, no matter what anyone does. When I realized what was going on, I decided not to have anything to do with "tea parties," and so far I haven't seen anything that would change my mind.
Two threads later, I copied, pasted, and altered these posts when the topic was the SC GOP electing a creationist:
re: #119 gmsc
To be honest, I doubt that anything will change, no matter what anyone does. When I realized what was going on, I decided not to have anything to do with South Carolina and the Republican Party, and so far I haven't seen anything that would change my mind.
I'll save my efforts for NOT supporting something like the Republican Party and South Carolina until I hear the organizers make obvious public pronouncements against the kind of kooks that want to squirrel into these elections.
;)
Yeah. That didn't go over well.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 12:33:01am |
re: #116 Erik The Red
re: #99 redc1c4
I am also having the same problem with regards to the Tea Parties. If you have 1000 people at a party and 1 or 2 are Paulians does that make everyone a RP supporter.
I think the idea is great. God knows we are not getting any coverage from the MFM
my point: there were a few of them in Van Nuys when we went on the 15th..... they were over in a corner, being ignored. the majority of the corwd was a cross section of the valley, and the primary issue was "enough is enough". a couple of morons yelling "end the fed" are not the demonstration.
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MrPaulRevere Tue, May 19, 2009 12:34:23am |
re: #115 redc1c4
A lot of solid citizens attended for the right reasons, I'll grant you that.
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 12:34:35am |
re: #117 SixDegrees
Probably been suggested already, but consider setting up a throwaway email account at Yahoo or Google Mail to answer such requests if you're concerned.
Or, my personal favorite, Mailinator!
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SixDegrees Tue, May 19, 2009 12:35:32am |
re: #49 zombie
Recently arrived from the United Arab Emirates at the MoMail in-box:
--------------------------------
From: "Ashraf J. Awadalla" ashraf.j@____.co.ae
Subject: hiWhat r u issuing of garbage about our prophet is your sick thinking, your empty soul, your dramatic destiny.
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I'm not quite sure how to take that...
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 12:35:33am |
re: #120 MrPaulRevere
A lot of solid citizens attended for the right reasons, I'll grant you that.
only way to take over the idea from the whackos..... waiting for the party "leadership" won't accomplish anything.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 12:36:56am |
re: #106 gmsc
I was surprised because it didn't seem like you. I've disagreed with Charles before, and I've kept it respectful. It wasn't an issue, and I didn't get down dinged for it. You just surprised me with that, is all.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 12:37:27am |
re: #119 redc1c4
my point: there were a few of them in Van Nuys when we went on the 15th..... they were over in a corner, being ignored. the majority of the corwd was a cross section of the valley, and the primary issue was "enough is enough". a couple of morons yelling "end the fed" are not the demonstration.
Maybe I was not clear enough. I think the Tea Parties are a great way to express our frustrations with things atm.
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SixDegrees Tue, May 19, 2009 12:39:18am |
re: #121 gmsc
Or, my personal favorite, Mailinator!
Hadn't heard of that one yet. Sounds even better, as you don't have to give it a response email address as you do with other services.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 12:39:47am |
re: #121 gmsc
Or, my personal favorite, Mailinator!
several grains of salt, some lime a large jigger of tequila w*rks for me. %-)
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 12:40:51am |
re: #126 SixDegrees
Hadn't heard of that one yet. Sounds even better, as you don't have to give it a response email address as you do with other services.
It's nice – you can even get responses, but they only last for 10 minutes.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 12:41:01am |
re: #122 SixDegrees
I'm not quite sure how to take that...
several grains of salt, some lime and a large jigger of tequila w*rks for me. %-)
/makes more sense in the right post. %-)
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 12:43:56am |
re: #124 Sharmuta
I was surprised because it didn't seem like you. I've disagreed with Charles before, and I've kept it respectful. It wasn't an issue, and I didn't get down dinged for it. You just surprised me with that, is all.
I think I'd just had enough of Killgore Trout by that time. Did you happen to notice why I wasn't there for fruitcake last night?
re: #174 gmsc
I was trying to stay awake for fruitcup tonight, but the pointless Killian/Red thread is boring the fucking shit out of me.
No fruitcup is worth putting up with this crap.
Good night, all!
Red kept going after Killian for being the same person as Killgore, and it finally got to be too much.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 12:45:37am |
i was just playing with Killian, and w*rking the fact that he was evidently having problems keeping the different threads straight...... Killian lost it too.
/toughen up, cupcake. %-)
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 12:45:54am |
The road for an activist is a long one. Don't expect everyone to agree even within the group. There will be factions within and on the outside. Even amongst those that agree there will be a struggle. And all the while you should expect to spend a long time.
In the wilderness.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 12:47:21am |
re: #132 Gus 802
The road for an activist is a long one. Don't expect everyone to agree even within the group. There will be factions within and on the outside. Even amongst those that agree there will be a struggle. And all the while you should expect to spend a long time.
In the wilderness.
i was on the phone with the local Repub HQ: they want people to run for neighborhood councils here in LA, as a way to build up candidates for later office runs.
that's a *long* view strategy..... %-)
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MrPaulRevere Tue, May 19, 2009 12:48:58am |
The problem as I see it is this: In the age of mass marketing, blogs and Facebook, there is no such thing as 'authentic' citizen protest. Everyone has an agenda. Sorry, I'm becoming very cynical.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 12:49:59am |
re: #130 gmsc
I wasn't around for fruitcup last night either, so no- I didn't notice.
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Syrah Tue, May 19, 2009 12:50:16am |
re: #133 redc1c4
i was on the phone with the local Repub HQ: they want people to run for neighborhood councils here in LA, as a way to build up candidates for later office runs.
that's a *long* view strategy..... %-)
The long view is what works best. Shortcuts in politics too often leads to embarrassments like the one down thread.
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MrPaulRevere Tue, May 19, 2009 12:50:53am |
re: #131 redc1c4
Yep, he lost it, accusing his critics of being drunk. It was unbecoming.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 12:50:53am |
re: #134 MrPaulRevere
The problem as I see it is this: In the age of mass marketing, blogs and Facebook, there is no such thing as 'authentic' citizen protest. Everyone has an agenda. Sorry, I'm becoming very cynical.
I'm beyond cynical, Archie.
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 12:50:55am |
re: #134 MrPaulRevere
The problem as I see it is this: In the age of mass marketing, blogs and Facebook, there is no such thing as 'authentic' citizen protest. Everyone has an agenda. Sorry, I'm becoming very cynical.
I don't even see that as cynical. It sounds more like just fact.
About the only point I'd disagree with is that people didn't have their own agendas before internet social networking. It's just that spreading their agendas is now more efficient.
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 12:51:05am |
re: #133 redc1c4
i was on the phone with the local Repub HQ: they want people to run for neighborhood councils here in LA, as a way to build up candidates for later office runs.
that's a *long* view strategy..... %-)
That's how it's done. Have to start from the bottom up so to speak in many cases. Even for new ideas within the GOP it can be done.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 19, 2009 12:53:45am |
Legislature: It's over, no deal
Working to a truly bitter end, the Minnesota Legislature adjourned at midnight Monday, following a final gesture of defiance toward Gov. Tim Pawlenty, as the DFL-led House and Senate passed a massive $2.7 billion bill that would wipe out the state's deficit through a $1 billion tax increase and a one-time shift.
Speaking at a rapid-fire clip and ignoring the shouts of Republican legislators, House Speaker Margaret Anderson Kelliher, DFL-Minneapolis, muscled the bill through in moments on an 82-47 vote. That's well short of the 90 votes needed for a veto override, but strong enough to send the intended message to Pawlenty and the public. Minutes later, the Senate approved the bill on a 35-1 vote.
The bill, which mirrors an earlier version vetoed by Pawlenty that raised income taxes on the wealthy, liquor and credit card companies, is destined for a certain veto by Pawlenty, who now will be left to make good on his promise to balance the budget through unilateral cuts, or "unallotments."
Stupid Bonkeys, Pawlenty's just going to veto it and balance the budget himself. No new taxes in Minnesota!
/Hey Californians, be sure to get out there today and vote to raise your taxes
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 12:54:26am |
re: #136 Syrah
The long view is what works best. Shortcuts in politics too often leads to embarrassments like the one down thread.
Even Sarah started small running for the PTA.
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haakondahl Tue, May 19, 2009 12:54:56am |
re: #131 redc1c4
i was just playing with Killian, and w*rking the fact that he was evidently having problems keeping the different threads straight...... Killian lost it too.
/toughen up, cupcake. %-)
Then KB thought I was harping on you, and started to tell us all what a great guy you really are. I think there was a disturbance in the force distorting interweb humor. Only the wet stuff got through.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 19, 2009 12:54:57am |
re: #131 redc1c4
i was just playing with Killian, and w*rking the fact that he was evidently having problems keeping the different threads straight...... Killian lost it too.
/toughen up, cupcake. %-)
/shut up you fat lesbian
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Syrah Tue, May 19, 2009 12:56:28am |
. . . on having been reminded this late evening of archy
*
the coming of archy
by don marquis
expression is the need of my soul
i was once a vers libre bard
but i died and my soul went into the body of a cockroach
it has given me a new outlook upon life
i see things from the under side now
thank you for the apple peelings in the wastepaper basket
but your paste is getting so stale i cant eat it
there is a cat here called mehitabel i wish you would have
removed she nearly ate me the other night why dont she
catch rats that is what she is supposed to be fore
there is a rat here she should get without delay
most of these rats here are just rats
but this rat is like me he has a human soul in him
he used to be a poet himself
night after night i have written poetry for you
on your typewriter
and this big brute of a rat who used to be a poet
comes out of his hole when it is done
and reads it and sniffs at it
he is jealous of my poetry
he used to make fun of it when we were both human
he was a punk poet himself
and after he has read it he sneers
and then he eats it
i wish you would have mehitabel kill that rat
or get a cat that is onto her job
and i will write you a series of poems showing how things look
to a cockroach
that rats name is freddy
the next time freddy dies i hope he wont be a rat
but something smaller i hope i will be a rat
in the next transmigration and freddy a cockroach
i will teach him to sneer at my poetry then
dont you ever eat any sandwiches in your office
i haven't had a crumb of bread for i dont know how long
or a piece of ham or anything but apple parings
and paste and leave a piece of paper in your machine
every night you can call me archy
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 12:56:59am |
re: #130 gmsc
I am also getting tired of KT. We all know his feelings about the Tea Parties. Fine and well when the post is about Tea parties. But he never misses a chance to go OT and take a did at them. I just skip over them now and refuse to read his posts on anything now.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 19, 2009 12:58:33am |
re: #143 haakondahl
Then KB thought I was harping on you, and started to tell us all what a great guy you really are.
/he has his moments
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MrPaulRevere Tue, May 19, 2009 12:59:03am |
Please remember this man and the sacrifice he and his teammates made in the long struggle. There is no greater love than to lay down your life for a friend. Have a great Tuesday everyone. [Link: www.navy.mil...]
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 12:59:12am |
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 1:00:34am |
re: #150 BatGuano
Don't need to watch it.. got it memorized :). SNL used to be funny.
Watching it anyway!
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 1:01:23am |
re: #150 BatGuano
Don't need to watch it.. got it memorized :). SNL used to be funny.
Best insult in that link? "Tarts like you hop from bed to bed with the frequency of a cheap ham radio".
That's an almost musical or poetic image, in an extremely strange kind of way.
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 1:03:09am |
re: #121 gmsc
Or, my personal favorite, Mailinator!
re: #127 redc1c4
several grains of salt, some lime a large jigger of tequila w*rks for me. %-)
You must get interesting e-mails!
/Yes, I know you corrected it, but I don't care!
//;)
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Syrah Tue, May 19, 2009 1:05:13am |
Not enough hours in a day.
Another day.
Another way.
again and again all over
Goodnight all.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 19, 2009 1:05:24am |
re: #146 Erik The Red
He may have "flounced off" after the fat lesbian needling.
/but I suspect he'll back later today
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 1:08:16am |
re: #152 gmsc
Yes. Compare that with Tina Fey's humorous insults, " George Bush is so dumb...". We are on a downward slide.
That's an almost musical or poetic image, in an extremely strange kind of way. Almost? I think it is both musical and poetic (think GBS's Pygmalion).
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 1:11:14am |
re: #156 BatGuano
Yes. Compare that with Tina Fey's humorous insults, " George Bush is so dumb...". We are on a downward slide.
That's an almost musical or poetic image, in an extremely strange kind of way. Almost? I think it is both musical and poetic (think GBS's Pygmalion).
Saturday Night Live comedians used to laugh at themselves, and the resulting comedy was genius. I stopped watching SNL "comedians" moved from that to simply poking fun at things they don't like. Now it's just the "which cherished value, idea or prestigious person will they rip apart this week?" show.
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rhino2 Tue, May 19, 2009 1:15:46am |
Anyone posted this yet?
These sort of regulations are exactly what the auto industry needs right now imo.
/
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 1:17:18am |
re: #158 gmsc
Perhaps someone should tell those SNL Nimnals that everything they hate is NOT a funny sketch!
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 19, 2009 1:17:31am |
Hersh Accuses Cheney of Ordering the Hit on Bhutto UPDATE: Hersh Denies Report
The Pakistani newspaper the Nation reports that:
Former prime minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto was assassinated on the orders of the special death squad formed by former US vice-president Dick Cheney, which had already killed the Lebanese Prime Minister Rafique Al Hariri and the army chief of that country."
The squad was headed by General Stanley McChrystal, the newly-appointed commander of US army in Afghanistan. It was disclosed by reputed US journalist Seymour Hersh while talking to an Arab TV in an interview.
Hersh said former US vice-president Cheney was the chief of the Joint Special Operation Command and he clear the way for the US by exterminating opponents through the unit and the CIA. General Stanley was the in-charge of the unit.
I guess we should expect a forthcoming New Yorker article featuring anonymous high-ranking officials who deliver quotes that fit perfectly into Hersh's story. The problem is, while I can laugh at Hersh's claims, when he makes them to an Arab audience where he is billed as a "reputed US journalist," it can actually have a damaging effect and add fuel to anti-Americanism.
UPDATE: Seymour Hersh is denying he made this accusation:
LAHORE: US journalist Seymour Hersh on Monday contradicted news reports being published in South Asia that quote him as saying a “special death squad” made by former US vice president Dick Cheney had killed Benazir Bhutto. The award-winning journalist described as “complete madness” the reports that the squad headed by General Stanley McChrystal – the new commander of US army in Afghanistan – had also killed former Lebanese prime minister Rafique Al Hariri and a Lebanese army chief. “Vice president Cheney does not have a death squad. I have no idea who killed Mr Hariri or Mrs Bhutto,” Hersh said. “I have never said that I did have such information. I most certainly did not say anything remotely to that effect during an interview with an Arab media outlet.” He said Gen McChrystal had run a special forces unit that engaged in “high value target activity”, but “while I have been critical of some of that unit’s activities in the pages of the New Yorker and in interviews, I have never suggested that he was involved in political assassinations or death squads on behalf of Mr Cheney, as the published stories state.” He regretted that none of the publications had contacted him before carrying the report. “This is another example of blogs going bonkers with misleading and fabricated stories and professional journalists repeating such rumours without doing their job – and that is to verify such rumours.” staff report.
Though back in March, Keith Olberman ran a story that Hersh claimed Cheney was running a "covert executive assassination ring."
/Seymour's at it again
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 1:18:55am |
re: #160 rhino2
Anyone posted this yet?
These sort of regulations are exactly what the auto industry needs right now imo.
/
I hope the UAW can do this with their new car company!
;)
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 19, 2009 1:20:18am |
re: #160 rhino2
Anyone posted this yet?
These sort of regulations are exactly what the auto industry needs right now imo.
/
/yeah, the taxpayer funded, government run Chrysler/GM bailouts are going well so far, don't you think?
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 1:20:38am |
re: #163 gmsc
I hope the UAW can do this with their new car company!
;)
Is anyone in their right mind going to buy a Chrysler now?
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Spiritualized Tue, May 19, 2009 1:20:59am |
Genius on so many levels:
Victor Davis Hanson: President Palin's First 100 Days - A Near Disaster
The first 100 days of the Palin presidency, according to a consensus of media commentators, have proven a near disaster. Perhaps it was Palin's scant two years' experience in a major government position that has eroded her gravitas, or maybe it was her flirty reliance on looks and informal chit-chat. In any case, the press has had a field day, and it is hard to see how President Palin can ever recover from the Quayle/potatoe syndrome.
(.....)
And what's this $50 mil for her inauguration gala? Since when do you fly in your favorite pizza-maker from across the country on our dime? Or send the presidential 747 for a spin over the Big Apple for a third-of-a-million-dollar joyride? Does Palin think she's still in Alaska and has to have everything flown in from the South 48 by jumbo jet?"
(.....)
Also in the Times, Gail Collins weighed in on the already-tired yokelism of the new commander in chief. "What we're getting is Wasilla chic. That's what we're getting. She arrives in the Oval Office, and first thing sends back Blair's gift of the Churchill bust as if it's a once-worn Penney's outfit. Then she gives the Brits some unwatchable DVDs as a booby prize — as if she idled the old Yukon and ran into Target's sale aisle. Did Sarah send Bristol into Wal-Mart back in Anchorage for that 'engraved' iPod for the queen?
(.....)
Queen Sarah tells us that in four years she'll 'halve' the deficit, as if she hasn't borrowed another $5 trillion in the meantime. Does she think we're morons? How many 'Drill, baby, drill!' oil wells can she tap into up there in Alaska to pay for the extra $11 trillion in debt she's saddling us with?"
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TheMatrix31 Tue, May 19, 2009 1:21:08am |
re: #162 Killian Bundy
Hersh Accuses Cheney of Ordering the Hit on Bhutto UPDATE: Hersh Denies Report
/Seymour's at it again
LMFAO!
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 1:23:07am |
re: #161 BatGuano
Perhaps someone should tell those SNL Nimnals that everything they hate is NOT a funny sketch!
Every so often, they can still pull off a good sketch, such as Don't Buy Stuff You Cannot Afford, but the odds are greatly against it. Notice that sketch is funny because we've all been there, or at least know someone who has.
It's funny to watch how uncomfortable some of the actors in that kind of sketch, where they're not hitting you over the head with some kind of "hate that group" message.
| 171 |
gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 1:23:44am |
re: #166 Gus 802
Is anyone in their right mind going to buy a Chrysler now?
Buying? That's irrelevant! What matters is what the government demands, whether it sells or not!
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 1:24:08am |
re: #160 rhino2
Anyone posted this yet?
These sort of regulations are exactly what the auto industry needs right now imo.
/
And it's going to cost 1,30 per vehicle! I've never paid 1,30 for anything.
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 1:25:52am |
re: #171 gmsc
Buying? That's irrelevant! What matters is what the government demands, whether it sells or not!
Oops. Mi culpa. We can do forced sales of Chryslers on the disenfranchised peoples.
Maybe we can rename it: City and County of Chrysler.
//
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 1:26:01am |
re: #173 BatGuano
And it's going to cost 1,30 per vehicle! I've never paid 1,30 for anything.
At least the story is written with all the mathematical understanding that the government used to create the regulation.
;)
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 19, 2009 1:26:40am |
re: #166 Gus 802
Is anyone in their right mind going to buy a Chrysler now?
/teamed with Fiat, they'll be back in bankruptcy within a year of coming out of bankruptcy, and Obama will have yet another opportunity to shower the UAW with even more taxpayer money
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 1:28:36am |
re: #174 Gus 802
Oops. Mi culpa. We can do forced sales of Chryslers on the disenfranchised peoples.
Maybe we can rename it: City and County of Chrysler.
//
Consider me the anti-Chrysler.
(That joke was best used in the Futurama episode "The Honking".)
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 1:29:08am |
re: #176 Killian Bundy
/teamed with Fiat, they'll be back in bankruptcy within a year of coming out of bankruptcy, and Obama will have yet another opportunity to shower the UAW with even more taxpayer money
Fix it again Tony!
The first customer! State of Taxssachusetts! We can make it the Chrysler/Fiat Welfaremobile.
Coming soon!
| 180 |
Killian Bundy Tue, May 19, 2009 1:33:15am |
You ain't seen nothing yet.
/in less than two weeks GM is going to declare bankruptcy
| 181 |
gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 1:34:37am |
re: #180 Killian Bundy
You ain't seen nothing yet.
/in less than two weeks GM is going to declare bankruptcy
Translation: The Dem Congress has less than two weeks to pass a bill making car company bankruptcies illegal.
| 182 |
Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 1:37:20am |
re: #179 BatGuano
Fiat cars with fiat money.
That's so true. And it's sad. We've become a nation that props up a company like Chrysler that should go under. And to add insult to injury they are forced to align with Fiat and create an agreement with the UAW giving them 55% ownership. This all being done with Federal tax monies and enforced by a "Car Czar" working within the Executive Office. It's like we're living in a bad dream.
| 183 |
BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 1:43:06am |
re: #182 Gus 802
It has finally happened: Our government has seized the means of production. Karl Marx has all but claimed victory.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 19, 2009 1:44:18am |
re: #182 Gus 802
That's so true. And it's sad. We've become a nation that props up a company like Chrysler that should go under. And to add insult to injury they are forced to align with Fiat and create an agreement with the UAW giving them 55% ownership. This all being done with Federal tax monies and enforced by a "Car Czar" working within the Executive Office. It's like we're living in a bad dream.
Remember when the enablers kept insisting that these car companies couldn't be allowed to go bankrupt because it would tank the economy into a depression?
/well guess what's happening and the sun still rises in the east
| 185 |
gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 1:46:16am |
re: #184 Killian Bundy
Remember when the enablers kept insisting that these car companies couldn't be allowed to go bankrupt because it would tank the economy into a depression?
/well guess what's happening and the sun still rises in the east
Now we're going into a depression partly because the enablers think that we can't let the car companies go bankrupt.
Hey, if you're too big to fail, you're too big to succeed.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 19, 2009 1:48:45am |
re: #183 BatGuano
It has finally happened: Our government has seized the means of production. Karl Marx has all but claimed victory.
WWPDD?
/what would Putin do differently?
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 1:49:04am |
re: #183 BatGuano
It has finally happened: Our government has seized the means of production. Karl Marx has all but claimed victory.
That should work no? It's all just a scheme to protect the UAW and their woykers. In the meantime the union idiots are treated like experts by the so called POTUS.
| 188 |
Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 1:50:10am |
Ugh- Geert Wilders now supports Flemish independence.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 1:50:28am |
re: #188 Sharmuta
Ugh- Geert Wilders now supports Flemish independence.
I'd link it but it's the brussels journal.
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 1:52:39am |
re: #186 Killian Bundy
WWPDD?
/what would Putin do differently?
Better question: If 0bama were trying to destroy the US from inside as President, what would he be doing differently?
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 1:53:55am |
re: #184 Killian Bundy
Remember when the enablers kept insisting that these car companies couldn't be allowed to go bankrupt because it would tank the economy into a depression?
/well guess what's happening and the sun still rises in the east
Yeah, what's a GDP anyways. We can foreclose on our future now. We're "investing" in our future with these dummies. What's several billions dollars of debt for a few 10s of thousands of untalented UAW workers? They build great cars no? Like the K-Car? Don't you want a K-Car?
//Jimmy Carter
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haakondahl Tue, May 19, 2009 1:54:03am |
re: #190 gmsc
Better question: If 0bama were trying to destroy the US from inside as President, what would he be doing differently?
You say borsht, I say borshch.
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 1:55:59am |
re: #191 Gus 802
Yeah, what's a GDP anyways. We can foreclose on our future now. We're "investing" in our future with these dummies. What's several billions dollars of debt for a few 10s of thousands of untalented UAW workers? They build great cars no? Like the K-Car? Don't you want a K-Car?
//Jimmy Carter
Look at the silver lining – 0bama's doing his very best to make it harder and harder for unionized companies to obtain loans.
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 1:56:30am |
re: #190 gmsc
Better question: If 0bama were trying to destroy the US from inside as President, what would he be doing differently?
That sentiment is what got me downdinged by Charles. The one I didn't apologize for.
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 1:57:27am |
re: #194 BatGuano
That sentiment is what got me downdinged by Charles. The one I didn't apologize for.
Really? Yikes.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 1:59:03am |
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littleoldlady Tue, May 19, 2009 2:00:16am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 2:01:06am |
re: #198 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!
Yummy! Thanks!
I hope I'm around for more!
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littleoldlady Tue, May 19, 2009 2:01:30am |
Did I spell everything right? (Other than "fruitcup", of course.)
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 2:01:41am |
re: #187 Gus 802
That should work no? It's all just a scheme to protect the UAW and their woykers. In the meantime the union idiots are treated like experts by the so called POTUS.
For the last three months, I have been chasing SEIU morons off the property of those who employ me. The SEIU was a major contributor to the current occupant of the White House. Everything he does is for the unions. His philosophy? Vie Victus!
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 2:02:03am |
re: #200 littleoldlady
Did I spell everything right? (Other than "fruitcup", of course.)
Looks good to me!
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 19, 2009 2:02:05am |
re: #190 gmsc
Better question: If 0bama were trying to destroy the US from inside as President, what would he be doing differently?
Je répète . . .
Let's see, degrade our military defenses, degrade capitalism and markets, massively upgrade social welfare programs, massively increase the national debt . . . check.
/welll, I can't think of anything else
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haakondahl Tue, May 19, 2009 2:02:06am |
re: #198 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!
Woo-Hoo!
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 2:03:00am |
re: #193 gmsc
Look at the silver lining – 0bama's doing his very best to make it harder and harder for unionized companies to obtain loans.
Yes! Silver lining. The same idiot that's going to re-structure healthcare and face off the Russians who are covering the Iranians while hitting the "reset button" with Hillary "Whitewater" Clinton as Secretary of State with some dipshit from the LA Times in the Pentagon and more than the other half of these idiots being from the Center For American Progress.
Honestly though. I feel OK. I tend to drink more but I'm OK. They have cool glasses.
Cripes.
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haakondahl Tue, May 19, 2009 2:03:56am |
re: #200 littleoldlady
Did I spell everything right? (Other than "fruitcup", of course.)
Yes, but your pronunciation could use work.
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 2:04:38am |
re: #198 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!
Thank you littleoldlady!
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 2:04:57am |
re: #201 BatGuano
For the last three months, I have been chasing SEIU morons off the property of those who employ me. The SEIU was a major contributor to the current occupant of the White House. Everything he does is for the unions. His philosophy? Vie Victus!
If it's not them it's AFSCME. Gubernment workers.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 2:05:39am |
Here's a good read, urging Goldwater conservatism:
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 19, 2009 2:08:21am |
And don't forget that as soon as they convince Specter that he really likes Card Check now, you can say goodbye to your local grocery stores.
/and hey, let's further destroy our economy with a self-imposed cap and trade tax that does absolutely nothing except destroy the U.S. economy, because it doesn't include China or India
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 2:08:34am |
re: #214 Sharmuta
Here's a good read, urging Goldwater conservatism:
Ok, so here's my question of the day (and I ask because for some reason I have been trying to work out what my own answer would be)
If you could design your ideal candidate for public office, what views would they hold on what issues, and where are you willing to compromise, or even write an issue off entirely.
/I know it's not a simple question, but it's 4 am and a slow night at work
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 2:08:54am |
re: #213 littleoldlady
Veh iz mir. :-)
Ack! I'm still trying to figure out why Erik thinks I'm having a great time at an automatic teller machine (or with Adobe Type Manager?).
Somebody, please translate all these posts for me!
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 2:09:34am |
re: #218 gmsc
Ack! I'm still trying to figure out why Erik thinks I'm having a great time at an automatic teller machine (or with Adobe Type Manager?).
Somebody, please translate all these posts for me!
I believe it means "at the moment"
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 2:09:40am |
re: #218 gmsc
Ack! I'm still trying to figure out why Erik thinks I'm having a great time at an automatic teller machine (or with Adobe Type Manager?).
Somebody, please translate all these posts for me!
For me too.
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 2:10:21am |
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 2:10:55am |
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littleoldlady Tue, May 19, 2009 2:11:54am |
I dunno. I COULD have a good time at an ATM...ifn I had some money in the bank...
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 2:12:23am |
re: #221 BatGuano
Oh, that bodes not well.
"And my ID from out that server that lies floating on the floor
Shall be logged onto---nevermore!"
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 2:13:38am |
re: #216 Killian Bundy
And don't forget that as soon as they convince Specter that he really likes Card Check now, you can say goodbye to your local grocery stores.
/and hey, let's further destroy our economy with a self-imposed cap and trade tax that does absolutely nothing except destroy the U.S. economy, because it doesn't include China or India
Card check. What card check? Union workers don't even give a shit about new union members. Most unions are replete with retards that think they have their contract and could care less about new members.
If you asked the average union yokel to describe the cap and trade scheme you would get a blank stare.
"I don't know I just got my arm off a sling and I get 20 dollars an hour for standing here."
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 2:14:13am |
re: #226 littleoldlady
Veh iz mir = oy!
/"Woe is me"
Learn something new every day....
/Filing information away for later use
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 2:14:38am |
re: #224 littleoldlady
I dunno. I COULD have a good time at an ATM...ifn I had some money in the bank...
I used to watch MAD TV, until they started with Ms. Swan! Yeesh.
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 2:15:24am |
re: #225 gmsc
"And my ID from out that server that lies floating on the floor
Shall be logged onto---nevermore!"
Darkness there and nothing more.
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littleoldlady Tue, May 19, 2009 2:15:30am |
re: #229 srb1976
I'll have you speaking Yiddish in no time!
/that's a lie
//I only know a smattering of words myself ;-)
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 2:16:44am |
re: #198 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!
{lol} Morning Thanks
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 2:17:12am |
re: #232 littleoldlady
I'll have you speaking Yiddish in no time!
/that's a lie
//I only know a smattering of words myself ;-)
Apparently language skills skip a generation...or at least skipped me.... dad speaks several, little brother picks up new languages easy as breathing, I can't even remember what I learned in high school spanish
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 2:17:17am |
re: #231 BatGuano
Darkness there and nothing more.
Which reminds me, this is still the best 404 page anywhere on the net.
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 2:17:44am |
re: #236 littleoldlady
Erik! :-)
Did you have a nice birthday?
Let's put it this way. He just woke up from it!
;)
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 2:18:11am |
My ideal candidate would support the balanced budget amendment, would work at real spending reform in Washington, and support individual rights and science. They would be a security hawk. I don't know why I have to compromise on this- it seems like common sense to me.
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 2:18:29am |
re: #237 gmsc
Which reminds me, this is still the best 404 page anywhere on the net.
This page is filtered @ my place of employment as "tasteless".....what should I know.....or not?
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 2:18:42am |
re: #232 littleoldlady
I'll have you speaking Yiddish in no time!
/that's a lie
//I only know a smattering of words myself ;-)
I read the Joy Of Yiddish, when I was eighteen in the 70's. I love the language I just don't remember much of it.
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gmsc Tue, May 19, 2009 2:20:02am |
re: #240 srb1976
This page is filtered @ my place of employment as "tasteless".....what should I know.....or not?
It's a mix of Poe's "The Raven" with Internet culture:
Once upon a midnight dreary, while I websurfed, weak and weary,
...Over many a strange and spurious website of 'hot chicks galore',
...While I clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning,
...And my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour.
..."'Tis not possible," I muttered, "give me back my cheap hardcore!" -
Quoth the server, "404".
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 2:20:36am |
re: #239 Sharmuta
My ideal candidate would support the balanced budget amendment, would work at real spending reform in Washington, and support individual rights and science. They would be a security hawk. I don't know why I have to compromise on this- it seems like common sense to me.
Sorry, maybe not clear, I'm not proposing anyone compromise on any specific issue, just inquiring as to which ones you would be willing to compromise on.....and which are deal breakers
/again, sorry if I wasn't clear.....
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 2:21:16am |
re: #214 Sharmuta
Here's a good read, urging Goldwater conservatism:
Goldwater believed in the dignity of individuals, regardless of race, creed or color. He would have been appalled by the nativist, anti-immigration sentiments that infect so many of today's so-called "conservatives."
A Jeffersonian at heart, Goldwater believed in the separation of church and state, and the right of every person to worship as he or she pleased, or not to worship at all. I suspect Goldwater would have railed against "conservative" Republicans who seek to impose their religious beliefs in public school science classes by requiring biblically-based "creationism" to be taught alongside evolution.
Goldwater was a state's rights advocate. I'm not sure whether he would favor or oppose gay marriage, but he no doubt would view it as a state's rights issue, as did John McCain, and not the federal issue many of today's "conservatives" seek to make it.
Great thanks Sharmuta
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littleoldlady Tue, May 19, 2009 2:22:34am |
re: #235 srb1976
I took French from 3rd grade into college. I remember (MAYBE) every 3rd word I read.
Meanwhile, my mother once knew 7 languages...
/verybigsigh :-/
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 2:23:02am |
re: #242 gmsc
Priceless! I grew up in such an odd household that when asked as a small child (2 or 3) "What does a raven say" I answered "Nevermore"
/what does it say about your parents when you can quote Poe before you can quote sesame street?
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 2:23:36am |
re: #236 littleoldlady
Erik! :-)
Did you have a nice birthday?
I did thank you. It took most of yesterday to recover from the weekend. :)
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 2:24:32am |
re: #243 srb1976
Sorry, maybe not clear, I'm not proposing anyone compromise on any specific issue, just inquiring as to which ones you would be willing to compromise on.....and which are deal breakers
/again, sorry if I wasn't clear.....
I'm done voting for anyone who doesn't support balancing the budget.
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 2:25:05am |
re: #246 littleoldlady
I lost track of how many languages dad used when he lost his temper (he didn't swear at us kids much......in english)
but I think it was 5 or 6..... He only claims fluency in 3 or 4 these days....use it or lose it
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 2:25:24am |
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littleoldlady Tue, May 19, 2009 2:26:09am |
re: #249 srb1976
How do you quote Sesame Street?!
/This poop brought to you by the letter "P"
? ;-)
We over-Disney'd at our house. MNTS called me a "pompous windbag" when she was 3.
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littleoldlady Tue, May 19, 2009 2:26:58am |
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 2:27:00am |
re: #244 Erik The Red
Goldwater believed in the dignity of individuals, regardless of race, creed or color. He would have been appalled by the nativist, anti-immigration sentiments that infect so many of today's so-called "conservatives."
A Jeffersonian at heart, Goldwater believed in the separation of church and state, and the right of every person to worship as he or she pleased, or not to worship at all. I suspect Goldwater would have railed against "conservative" Republicans who seek to impose their religious beliefs in public school science classes by requiring biblically-based "creationism" to be taught alongside evolution.
Goldwater was a state's rights advocate. I'm not sure whether he would favor or oppose gay marriage, but he no doubt would view it as a state's rights issue, as did John McCain, and not the federal issue many of today's "conservatives" seek to make it.Great thanks Sharmuta
That's why I brought it here- thought someone might like it.
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haakondahl Tue, May 19, 2009 2:27:32am |
re: #228 Gus 802
Card check. What card check? Union workers don't even give a shit about new union members. Most unions are replete with retards that think they have their contract and could care less about new members.
If you asked the average union yokel to describe the cap and trade scheme you would get a blank stare.
"I don't know I just got my arm off a sling and I get 20 dollars an hour for standing here."
Right, which is why the Unions have large, expensive "administrative" arms which do the arm-twisting. Card-check doesn't come from the guy you work with. It comes from some guy you've never seen before, and who can ruin you.
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 2:27:35am |
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 2:29:43am |
re: #253 Sharmuta
I hear your there, and heartily agree.... I just get the feeling lately that elections on a national level are being sidetracked.....or even shanghaied by side issues..... stuff that either won't be resolved any time soon, (abortion, gay marriage), or shouldn't be a main concern at this point (what with the deficit, the war, etc.). By the time the election rolls around you know more about how the candidates feel about birth control than federal spending......
I guess that's just been bothering me lately..... trying to sort out my own thought on some things.....
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Gus Tue, May 19, 2009 2:30:15am |
re: #259 haakondahl
Right, which is why the Unions have large, expensive "administrative" arms which do the arm-twisting. Card-check doesn't come from the guy you work with. It comes from some guy you've never seen before, and who can ruin you.
The whole scheme makes me sick. I console myself by thinking that we're stuck with it.
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 2:30:40am |
re: #256 littleoldlady
How do you quote Sesame Street?!
/This poop brought to you by the letter "P"
? ;-)
We over-Disney'd at our house. MNTS called me a "pompous windbag" when she was 3.
Even cookie monster has a catchphrase = )
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 2:35:10am |
re: #261 srb1976
I hear your there, and heartily agree.... I just get the feeling lately that elections on a national level are being sidetracked.....or even shanghaied by side issues..... stuff that either won't be resolved any time soon, (abortion, gay marriage), or shouldn't be a main concern at this point (what with the deficit, the war, etc.). By the time the election rolls around you know more about how the candidates feel about birth control than federal spending......
I guess that's just been bothering me lately..... trying to sort out my own thought on some things.....
I agree that the social issues are a distraction. I want the out of control spending dealt with, because it's my opinion that government spending on things that are outside of their proper scope has led to some of these social issues. Just balance the budget, cut taxes, cut spending, and We the People will figure out how to get along.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 19, 2009 2:36:21am |
re: #262 Gus 802
The whole scheme makes me sick. I console myself by thinking that we're stuck with it.
/be prepared to pay more for everything you buy, but hey. it's for the children unions
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 2:38:55am |
re: #264 Sharmuta
I agree that the social issues are a distraction. I want the out of control spending dealt with, because it's my opinion that government spending on things that are outside of their proper scope has led to some of these social issues. Just balance the budget, cut taxes, cut spending, and We the People will figure out how to get along.
I agree. I think the rest should be left to the states (where it doesn't run afoul of the constitution.)
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 2:51:11am |
re: #268 BatGuano
I agree. I think the rest should be left to the states (where it doesn't run afoul of the constitution.)
I agree that most, if not all, of the social issues should be left to the states, I just find it less and less likely that they will be. And BOTH sides seem intent on legislating their view of social morality...just not sure what, if anything, can be done about it.
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 3:01:29am |
re: #269 srb1976
The current occupant of the white house will be making a nomination for the Supreme Court. If he has guessed correctly, his nominee will decide against states rights in favor of the power of federal government.
We all knew where Obama stood on the issue during the primaries. The only thing we can do is vote for someone who doesn't believe that the Supreme Court is also a legislature.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 3:03:44am |
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 3:04:08am |
re: #270 BatGuano
Well- sometimes Justices surprise us. Some republican nominations turned out to be moderates. I don't expect that to happen here, but who knows?
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 3:07:49am |
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BatGuano Tue, May 19, 2009 3:08:16am |
re: #273 Sharmuta
Well- sometimes Justices surprise us. Some republican nominations turned out to be moderates. I don't expect that to happen here, but who knows?
We can only hope. :)
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rightside Tue, May 19, 2009 3:12:34am |
re: #274 srb1976
love the birthday girl label tape on her forehead...how old is she now?
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 3:14:08am |
re: #277 rightside
love the birthday girl label tape on her forehead...how old is she now?
She's 1 1/2 now (be 2 in september) but that's my favorite picture of her....demon eyes and all = )
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 3:17:34am |
Shift change in an hour.... 4 days off..... Longest hour ever!
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 3:18:40am |
re: #281 rightside
Careful, they grow quickly...
We're finding that out! Her big brother will be 5 about the same time as her birthday.....he was just a baby a minute ago...I swear! = )
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srb1976 Tue, May 19, 2009 3:40:05am |
All right, anyone still paying attention, I'm off to the house....might check back in when I get there.....See ya!
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TheMatrix31 Tue, May 19, 2009 3:42:43am |
I just "acquired" a 31-disc 80s collection. Some pretty damn good stuff in here.
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Jim in Virginia Tue, May 19, 2009 3:43:24am |
Morning all. Any fruitcup left?
Today is our 19th wedding anniversary. Woohoo!
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Jim in Virginia Tue, May 19, 2009 3:44:20am |
re: #286 TheMatrix31
Most of that was recorded before you were born, right?
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TheMatrix31 Tue, May 19, 2009 3:46:35am |
re: #289 Jim in Virginia
Most of that was recorded before you were born, right?
Most....I was born in 1987.
I definitely prefer music from the 50s-90s than the crap I have around me nowadays.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 3:46:58am |
re: #286 TheMatrix31
I just "acquired" a 31-disc 80s collection. Some pretty damn good stuff in here.
I got "given 145 gigs of music" from a buddy the other day. Now I need to buy a bigger iPod.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 3:47:27am |
re: #287 Jim in Virginia
Morning all. Any fruitcup left?
Today is our 19th wedding anniversary. Woohoo!
Morning JiV. Congrats.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, May 19, 2009 3:49:37am |
re: #291 Erik The Red
I got "given 145 gigs of music" from a buddy the other day. Now I need to buy a bigger iPod.
Dayum, lol. My 30GB Zune proved to be insufficient, but I haven't really needed to use my MP3 player lately, even on campus.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 19, 2009 3:50:51am |
Sublimely ridiculous. That's me! Hi Y'all!
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 3:51:11am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 19, 2009 3:52:16am |
re: #290 TheMatrix31
I have some underwear that I purchased in 1987.
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Jim in Virginia Tue, May 19, 2009 3:53:10am |
Story at Fox news, Panetta says we are not sure of the location of all Pakistan's (Pah- keestahn's) nukes. But not to worry.
Somebody at Langley is having a few sleepless nights. Flying pig moment: Richard Cohen makes sense.
The relevant history here may not be Vietnam at all. It could be World War I. The assassination of a single man somehow set off a chain reaction .... Now, though, the stakes are so much greater. The region is a nuclear neighborhood, a pharmacy for nuclear addicts with Pakistan choosing to add even more weapons instead of -- just an idea -- opening some schools.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, May 19, 2009 3:57:07am |
re: #296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have some underwear that I purchased in 1987.
I still have underwear from when I was a 200lb thirteen year old. I'm 21 and 185lb now.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 19, 2009 3:58:06am |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, May 19, 2009 4:03:48am |
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justdanny Tue, May 19, 2009 4:04:46am |
re: #299 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Awesome. Girls rock! I like girls. I have a niece (one of many) who is a three sport starter in high school. She just got a four year full ride scholarship to college, for art! She'll be playing softball for the school too.
Girls are cool. Even when they beat the boys.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 4:06:56am |
re: #253 Sharmuta
I'm done voting for anyone who doesn't support balancing the budget.
That could leave you with no choice period.
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3 wood Tue, May 19, 2009 4:12:09am |
Good morning.
The market jumped yesterday on some good news about real estate and construction, and so far the futures are pointing up for this morning.
Oil is up to $60 a barrel.
Look for a whole bunch of car dealerships to declare bankruptcy. These closed dealerships are being forced to eat the inventory that was shipped to them and is sitting on the lot. For your larger dealers this is a matter of millions of dollars.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 4:14:25am |
re: #306 3 wood
Where do we want to see oil at as a good indicator of the shape of our economy? And should we expect the same prices as last year?
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 4:15:06am |
re: #305 soxfan4life
That could leave you with no choice period.
I doubt that, but if so- then so be it.
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justdanny Tue, May 19, 2009 4:16:20am |
I checked my lgf profile and noticed that I have "karma points". Whats up with that?
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Jim in Virginia Tue, May 19, 2009 4:19:16am |
re: #306 3 wood
Good morning.
The market jumped yesterday on some good news about real estate and construction, and so far the futures are pointing up for this morning.
Oil is up to $60 a barrel.
Look for a whole bunch of car dealerships to declare bankruptcy. These closed dealerships are being forced to eat the inventory that was shipped to them and is sitting on the lot. For your larger dealers this is a matter of millions of dollars.
Lots of vacant car dealerships won't do much good for the commercial real estate market, or property tax revenue.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 4:19:36am |
re: #309 justdanny
I checked my lgf profile and noticed that I have "karma points". Whats up with that?
It's the sum total of your up dings and down dings.
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Jim in Virginia Tue, May 19, 2009 4:20:03am |
re: #309 justdanny
I checked my lgf profile and noticed that I have "karma points". Whats up with that?
Now you have one more. See if you can catch up with Sharmuta.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 4:20:20am |
re: #312 Jim in Virginia
Now you have one more. See if you can catch up with Sharmuta.
Hey now! I gave him one more.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 4:20:29am |
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 4:21:32am |
re: #308 Sharmuta
I doubt that, but if so- then so be it.
I hope you're right, because I would certainly support the same thing. But today's politicians all run on what can I give you.
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3 wood Tue, May 19, 2009 4:21:50am |
re: #307 soxfan4life
Where do we want to see oil at as a good indicator of the shape of our economy? And should we expect the same prices as last year?
Well, for our economy we would like to se it as cheap as possible, cause low prices acts like a big tax cut to us, and encourages economic growth.
The reason for the price jump recently is more related to supply issues than a jump in demand right now.
I don't think we will see $4 a gallon, but may see $3 a gallon (depending on local taxes) this summer.
Bear in mind that this administration wants to see oil as expensive as possible to push their green agenda. I expect to see no drilling exploration, and all kinds of EPA focus on the refineries.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 4:22:54am |
re: #315 soxfan4life
I hope you're right, because I would certainly support the same thing. But today's politicians all run on what can I give you.
Quite a few of them are discussing the need to balance the budget- it's jusst I don't trust them. I want a balanced budget amendment to guarantee it.
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3 wood Tue, May 19, 2009 4:22:58am |
re: #310 Jim in Virginia
Lots of vacant car dealerships won't do much good for the commercial real estate market, or property tax revenue.
Not to mention unemployment. Some banks that financed that inventory are going to take a bath too.
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jcbunga Tue, May 19, 2009 4:24:21am |
Hello from sunny Loudoun County, Virginia.
Here are some pics from the 2009 Andrews Air Force Base Joint Services Open House last Saturday:
[Link: news.webshots.com...]
...the F-22 did things I could not believe I was seeing. It did what looked like a 90 degree turn straight up, stopped in midair and floated straight down like a leaf, then hit the brakes and zoomed away. The pilot must be made out of jelly. I can't imagine the G's.
The Thunderbirds were amazing as well.
Just amazing.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 4:24:42am |
re: #316 3 wood
So should we expect a stagnant economy for the next 3 1/2 years? Or will it improve in spite of 0bama's policies?
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justdanny Tue, May 19, 2009 4:25:34am |
Oh, now I see. If someone hits the plus sign on my post I get a karma point?
Sharmuta is winning it appears. I remember when 100 comments on a thread was noteable. Now karma points in the thousands. lgf evolves.
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Jim in Virginia Tue, May 19, 2009 4:25:43am |
re: #296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have some underwear that I purchased in 1987.
Do you have them date stamped?
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3 wood Tue, May 19, 2009 4:25:44am |
In sports news, the Chicago White Sox have lost 12 of their last 15 games. Look for General Manager Kenny Williams to back up the truck in the next few weeks and clear out the roster for draft picks and triple A prospects.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 4:26:02am |
re: #317 Sharmuta
If there isn't some kind of law in place they will waffle faster than BHO once they get elected.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 4:26:39am |
re: #324 soxfan4life
If there isn't some kind of law in place they will waffle faster than BHO once they get elected.
Oh- I agree completely. Which is why we go for the amendment and force their hand.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 4:26:53am |
re: #323 3 wood
Who do they have that would bring any value?
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 4:28:51am |
re: #326 Sharmuta
Oh- I agree completely. Which is why we go for the amendment and force their hand.
If it is going to happen it needs to happen soon, once BHO and his ACORN buddies are done we will never see a balanced budget again unless we disband our military.
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SixDegrees Tue, May 19, 2009 4:29:12am |
re: #306 3 wood
Good morning.
The market jumped yesterday on some good news about real estate and construction, and so far the futures are pointing up for this morning.
Oil is up to $60 a barrel.
Look for a whole bunch of car dealerships to declare bankruptcy. These closed dealerships are being forced to eat the inventory that was shipped to them and is sitting on the lot. For your larger dealers this is a matter of millions of dollars.
Could wind up dragging Ford into bankruptcy court if the dealers start dumping inventory. Ford already has to contend with competing against companies with streamlined dealership networks, while it's own remain bloated.
The airlines did the same thing back in the 80s. Once a couple of them entered bankruptcy, most of the rest followed, just to stay competitive.
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jcbunga Tue, May 19, 2009 4:30:27am |
re: #329 SixDegrees
Could wind up dragging Ford into bankruptcy court if the dealers start dumping inventory. Ford already has to contend with competing against companies with streamlined dealership networks, while it's own remain bloated.
The airlines did the same thing back in the 80s. Once a couple of them entered bankruptcy, most of the rest followed, just to stay competitive.
This is indeed tragic.
The 2010 Mustang is a screamer.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 4:31:36am |
re: #328 soxfan4life
If it is going to happen it needs to happen soon, once BHO and his ACORN buddies are done we will never see a balanced budget again unless we disband our military.
Well- ratifying an amendment to the Constitution doesn't happen overnight, but perhaps the push for one would make them take the people's needs seriously.
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3 wood Tue, May 19, 2009 4:31:43am |
re: #320 soxfan4life
So should we expect a stagnant economy for the next 3 1/2 years? Or will it improve in spite of 0bama's policies?
I see it stabilizing and then a protracted period of high inflation and high unemployment. Look for Obama to continue with this politics of class envy. If you go to work, work hard and provide for your family and maybe save a couple bucks here and there, you will be the enemy.
Within a few months the economic numbers will start sounding better if for no other reason than they will be compared to the number the year before when the economy started melting down.
The "stimulus bill" will have almost no stimulative effect and will actually end up being a drag on the economy. Soon, Congress will have to start raising taxes on just about everything to pay for their profligate ways.
This will create a great opportunity for anyone who is truly willing to take a leadership role and talk about cutting spending first and then taxes.
Problem is, Obama will have so many people on the dole it may be difficult to get much political traction for awhile.
I would hit Obama every day on the inflation and deficit he has created.
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SixDegrees Tue, May 19, 2009 4:31:46am |
re: #330 jcbunga
This is indeed tragic.
The 2010 Mustang is a screamer.
The right car - at the wrong time.
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3 wood Tue, May 19, 2009 4:33:06am |
re: #327 soxfan4life
Who do they have that would bring any value?
Buehrle, Thome, Pierszinsky to name 3.
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rightside Tue, May 19, 2009 4:33:31am |
re: #332 3 wood
Wasn't nobama's admission the other day, that deficit spending was "unsustainable" the precursor to him raising taxes?
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 4:34:17am |
re: #329 SixDegrees
Could wind up dragging Ford into bankruptcy court if the dealers start dumping inventory. Ford already has to contend with competing against companies with streamlined dealership networks, while it's own remain bloated.
The airlines did the same thing back in the 80s. Once a couple of them entered bankruptcy, most of the rest followed, just to stay competitive.
If Ford is able to remain solvent and competitive while 0bama is bailing out GM and Chrysler while also giving tax breaks to people to buy GM and Chrysler vehicles I'll write in William Clay Ford for POTUS in 2012.
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3 wood Tue, May 19, 2009 4:39:19am |
re: #335 rightside
Wasn't nobama's admission the other day, that deficit spending was "unsustainable" the precursor to him raising taxes?
That's exactly what that was. It was also an attempt by the Democrats to blame Bush for their own spending. You are starting to hear that talking point form the Dem's and their PR arm the MSM.
The talking point is that they had to spend all this money to fix Bush's mess.
Well, the economy was doing OK until the Dem's took over Congress.
By the way, yesterday's trading volume was pretty light.
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MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 4:39:46am |
FCBBHO is a gosh-darn thieving motherfucker.
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3 wood Tue, May 19, 2009 4:39:50am |
Got to get ready for work and pay for my neighbor's health insurance in the future.
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 19, 2009 4:41:53am |
re: #338 MandyManners
FCBBHO is a gosh-darn thieving motherfucker.
Mandy - don't hold back now - tell us how you really feel.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 4:42:30am |
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 4:44:17am |
re: #338 MandyManners
FCBBHO is a gosh-darn thieving motherfucker.
Morning MM. I will leave out the "good" today.
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MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 4:45:16am |
*pulls knickers out of twist*
Good morning, Lizards!
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Mithrax Tue, May 19, 2009 4:45:36am |
Fair mornin Lizards,
Hope everyone had a good monday. Some dickheads decided to use our church sign as a vehicle for posting racist comments.
Just magic marker, which was easily cleaned off, but the pain of claling the cops, having them come and record it.
While I'm hoping this is an isolated incident, given that GM is a 5 minute walk, this is a very enconomically depressed area, I've got a sinking feeling that it's going to get worse.
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MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 4:47:45am |
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 19, 2009 4:52:36am |
This commercial is too cool.
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SixDegrees Tue, May 19, 2009 4:53:39am |
re: #336 soxfan4life
If Ford is able to remain solvent and competitive while 0bama is bailing out GM and Chrysler while also giving tax breaks to people to buy GM and Chrysler vehicles I'll write in William Clay Ford for POTUS in 2012.
For what it's worth, Chrysler's bailouts are done - they're in the hands of the bankruptcy court now, and all those billions that were tossed at them to keep them out of bankruptcy court are streaming through the sewers. Looks more and more likely that GM will be following them, with similar results. Finally, any incentives will be applied to all cars meeting the target fuel standards, not just those company's products that have received Federal funds.
Still, between renegotiation of union contracts (including union pension funding), elimination of debt owed suppliers and paring down dealership networks to a reasonable size, Ford is going to be facing some very unbalanced competition. The family wants to retain control of the company, a desire that has kept it out of bankruptcy court and away from the government trough up to this point; it will be increasingly difficult for them to keep following that path, though, in a soft market flooded with excess competitor inventory.
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MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 4:54:28am |
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 4:55:47am |
re: #350 SixDegrees
For what it's worth, Chrysler's bailouts are done - they're in the hands of the bankruptcy court now, and all those billions that were tossed at them to keep them out of bankruptcy court are streaming through the sewers. Looks more and more likely that GM will be following them, with similar results. Finally, any incentives will be applied to all cars meeting the target fuel standards, not just those company's products that have received Federal funds.
Still, between renegotiation of union contracts (including union pension funding), elimination of debt owed suppliers and paring down dealership networks to a reasonable size, Ford is going to be facing some very unbalanced competition. The family wants to retain control of the company, a desire that has kept it out of bankruptcy court and away from the government trough up to this point; it will be increasingly difficult for them to keep following that path, though, in a soft market flooded with excess competitor inventory.
Won't the government be backing the warranties for GM and Chrysler?
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rightside Tue, May 19, 2009 4:57:06am |
re: #352 soxfan4life
Won't the
governmenttaxpayers be backing the warranties for GM and Chrysler?
FTFY
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 4:58:33am |
re: #349 reine.de.tout
That was cute- I love Rube Goldbergs.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 4:58:35am |
Here is todays attempt to revise history by the MSM. 0bama is moving toward the center. Center of Moscow or Havana maybe.
[Link: www.comcast.net...]
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MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 5:04:10am |
I'm listening to NPR going on and on about the Jordyptian state.
*WHACK*
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opnion Tue, May 19, 2009 5:04:35am |
Good morning. Gov Blagos wife Patti is considering an offer to appear on a reality show "I'm a Celeberty, get me out of here", in place of Blago.
Potty Mouth Patti would get $80,000 per episode.
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MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 5:05:09am |
re: #357 opnion
Good morning. Gov Blagos wife Patti is considering an offer to appear on a reality show "I'm a Celeberty, get me out of here", in place of Blago.
Potty Mouth Patti would get $80,000 per episode.
Fucking-A!
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 5:06:18am |
re: #356 MandyManners
I'm listening to NPR going on and on about the Jordyptian state.
*WHACK*
Why are you torturing yourself with NPR? It's only slightly better than the BBC.
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opnion Tue, May 19, 2009 5:07:16am |
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rightside Tue, May 19, 2009 5:08:08am |
re: #360 NJDhockeyfan
Hey! can you believe the Bruins lost?
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 5:08:41am |
re: #362 opnion
They need the money & that is some serious cash.
Shame on whatever network thinking of this. They're paying good money to cons. Shameful.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 5:09:36am |
I just posted this in the spinoffs...
Seymour Hersh says Dick Cheney assassinated Benazir Bhutto.
NEW YORK (Online) - Former prime minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto was assassinated on the orders of the special death squad formed by former US vice-president Dick Cheney, which had already killed the Lebanese Prime Minister Rafique Al Hariri and the army chief of that country.The squad was headed by General Stanley McChrystal, the newly-appointed commander of US army in Afghanistan. It was disclosed by reputed US journalist Seymour Hersh while talking to an Arab TV in an interview.
Hersh said former US vice-president Cheney was the chief of the Joint Special Operation Command and he clear the way for the US by exterminating opponents through the unit and the CIA. General Stanley was the in-charge of the unit.
Seymour also said that Rafiq Al Hariri and the Lebanese army chief were murdered for not safeguarding the US interests and refusing US setting up military bases in Lebanon. Ariel Sharon, the then prime minister of Israel, was also a key man in the plot.
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opnion Tue, May 19, 2009 5:10:12am |
re: #364 Sharmuta
Shame on whatever network thinking of this. They're paying good money to cons. Shameful.
It's a new reality program & those kind of shows aren't real fussy.
Somebody described it as Z list celeberties.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 5:10:22am |
re: #363 rightside
Hey! can you believe the Bruins lost?
Shoot, I can't believe the Devils lost that last game.
LOL
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 19, 2009 5:11:14am |
re: #365 NJDhockeyfan
I just posted this in the spinoffs...
And today,Hersh came out and said that's not what he said.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 5:11:51am |
re: #363 rightside
Hey! can you believe the Bruins lost?
According to news reports this AM three young players are going in for surgery and may not be ready for the start of the season. That plus Hunwicks spleenectomy during the Montreal series was a pretty tough post season.
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 19, 2009 5:12:06am |
re: #368 reine.de.tout
And today,Hersh came out and said that's not what he said.
Link didn't work?
Let's see if this does.
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abolitionist Tue, May 19, 2009 5:12:11am |
Wolfram 'search engine' goes live
A web tool hailed as a significant rival to search giant Google has gone live to the public.
Wolfram Alpha is called a computation knowledge engine rather than a search engine and wants to change the way people use online data.
It aims to give people direct answers to queries rather than send them to other sites where they may find what they are seeking.
Wolfram Alpha - Wikipedia
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 19, 2009 5:12:21am |
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 5:13:11am |
re: #366 opnion
It's a new reality program & those kind of shows aren't real fussy.
Somebody described it as Z list celeberties.
Come on now Heidi and Spencer Pratt are going to be on it. That makes it lower than Z-List celbrities.
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MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 5:15:10am |
re: #374 soxfan4life
Come on now Heidi and Spencer Pratt are going to be on it. That makes it lower than Z-List celbrities.
Heidi Klum?
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 19, 2009 5:15:11am |
re: #372 reine.de.tout
Nope, that one didn't work either.
This is from thedailytimes.com.pk (pakistan):
I did not say Cheney killed Benazir: HershLAHORE: US journalist Seymour Hersh on Monday contradicted news reports being published in South Asia that quote him as saying a “special death squad” made by former US vice president Dick Cheney had killed Benazir Bhutto. The award-winning journalist described as “complete madness” the reports that the squad headed by General Stanley McChrystal – the new commander of US army in Afghanistan – had also killed former Lebanese prime minister Rafique Al Hariri and a Lebanese army chief. “Vice president Cheney does not have a death squad. I have no idea who killed Mr Hariri or Mrs Bhutto,” Hersh said. “I have never said that I did have such information. I most certainly did not say anything remotely to that effect during an interview with an Arab media outlet.” He said Gen McChrystal had run a special forces unit that engaged in “high value target activity”, but “while I have been critical of some of that unit’s activities in the pages of the New Yorker and in interviews, I have never suggested that he was involved in political assassinations or death squads on behalf of Mr Cheney, as the published stories state.” He regretted that none of the publications had contacted him before carrying the report. “This is another example of blogs going bonkers with misleading and fabricated stories and professional journalists repeating such rumours without doing their job – and that is to verify such rumours.” staff report
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 5:15:21am |
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opnion Tue, May 19, 2009 5:16:50am |
re: #374 soxfan4life
Come on now Heidi and Spencer Pratt are going to be on it. That makes it lower than Z-List celbrities.
And John Sally & Steven Baldwin.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 5:17:45am |
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 5:18:29am |
re: #380 soxfan4life
The truly sad part is people will watch it.
No- what's sad is people will know more details about this show than they do the running of our government and this country.
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opnion Tue, May 19, 2009 5:20:06am |
re: #380 soxfan4life
The truly sad part is people will watch it.
No question. The whole thing is having the contestants eat insects & do other humiliating things.
| 383 |
soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 5:20:18am |
re: #381 Sharmuta
I liked it better when Dick Cheney was secretly running the country.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 5:21:30am |
re: #383 soxfan4life
I liked it better when Dick Cheney was secretly running the country.
I liked it better when television had quality entertainment.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 5:21:39am |
re: #382 opnion
If the insects taste bitter when you bite them try cooking them. 85% protein or something like that.
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MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 5:22:16am |
re: #376 reine.de.tout
I had a hard time believing Hersh would say such nonsense. I'm not his biggest fan but, it strained credulity.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 5:22:24am |
re: #384 Sharmuta
I liked it better when television had quality entertainment.
That's why I like watching the Red Sox.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 5:24:45am |
re: #386 taxfreekiller
wow, woke up late:
Good thing Ron Paul and his kooks rule the world, I get the day off.
And in another move guaranteed to help struggling business, you will be guaranteed sick days.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 5:24:45am |
Now for some comic relief. From yesterday...
Helen Thomas - Still Stuck in LaLa Land
Is Helen Thomas really that stupid?
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opnion Tue, May 19, 2009 5:26:53am |
re: #385 soxfan4life
If the insects taste bitter when you bite them try cooking them. 85% protein or something like that.
You have to select the right wine to compliment the bugs.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 19, 2009 5:28:09am |
re: #393 opnion
You have to select the right wine to compliment the bugs.
Whites for flying insects, reds for crawly bugs.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 5:29:37am |
re: #392 NJDhockeyfan
Now for some comic relief. From yesterday...
Helen Thomas - Still Stuck in LaLa Land
Is Helen Thomas really that stupid?
What next a request for troop movements or locations?
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 19, 2009 5:30:02am |
re: #392 NJDhockeyfan
Now for some comic relief. From yesterday...
Helen Thomas - Still Stuck in LaLa Land
[Video]Is Helen Thomas really that stupid?
Yes and that ugly.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 19, 2009 5:34:37am |
Well I killed this thread. But she is ugly.
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opnion Tue, May 19, 2009 5:35:54am |
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Mithrax Tue, May 19, 2009 5:37:44am |
re: #398 Nevergiveup
Well I killed this thread. But she is ugly.
's Ok. I did that about half an hour ago too :P
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 5:40:05am |
pot insanity...at my daughters alma mater...GVSC, a very conservative school
[Link: www.hollandsentinel.com...]
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 19, 2009 5:45:46am |
re: #401 albusteve
pot insanity...at my daughters alma mater...GVSC, a very conservative school
[Link: www.hollandsentinel.com...]
That is crazy.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 19, 2009 5:46:03am |
re: #401 albusteve
pot insanity...at my daughters alma mater...GVSC, a very conservative school
[Link: www.hollandsentinel.com...]
A quote from the article...
"As a society, it’s time to recognize the futility of legalizing certain mind-altering substances — such as alcohol, nicotine and caffeine — while demonizing others."
This guy's a real scientist, isn't he? Mind altering. LSD is mind altering, a lobotomy is mind altering.
Whether you believe this way or that way about the possible legalization of certain recreational drugs, this kind of hyperbole just makes people appear stupid.
This is what passes as reality now a day.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 5:47:25am |
re: #398 Nevergiveup
Well I killed this thread. But she is ugly.
I think seeing Helen Thomas so early in the AM caused nausea and vomitting in many. Instead of swine flu you caused the shrew flu.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 19, 2009 5:49:21am |
re: #404 soxfan4life
I think seeing Helen Thomas so early in the AM caused nausea and vomitting in many. Instead of swine flu you caused the shrew flu.
Well swine flu would be appropriate also, but your point is well taken.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 19, 2009 5:50:51am |
The powerful speaker of the House of Commons is expected to resign Tuesday after a backlash over excessive expenses claims by British lawmakers.
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
Earth to Pelosi, Earth to Pelosi, Earth to Pelosi: Hint Hint Hint
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 5:51:00am |
How did we ever get through school without those gadgets?
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 5:51:12am |
re: #403 Walter L. Newton
A quote from the article...
"As a society, it’s time to recognize the futility of legalizing certain mind-altering substances — such as alcohol, nicotine and caffeine — while demonizing others."
This guy's a real scientist, isn't he? Mind altering. LSD is mind altering, a lobotomy is mind altering.
Whether you believe this way or that way about the possible legalization of certain recreational drugs, this kind of hyperbole just makes people appear stupid.
This is what passes as reality now a day.
yes...the language is mind altering...what bullshit...how can people be educated when caffein is mind altering and pot is a dangerous as coke, meth and heroin...altered reality
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 19, 2009 5:51:21am |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 5:51:59am |
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 19, 2009 5:52:28am |
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 5:54:12am |
re: #406 Nevergiveup
This sentence here is why it will never happen.
Rodney Barker, a professor of government at the London School of Economics, said Martin's departure show that Parliament is taking reform seriously.
Reelection is the only thing Congress takes seriously. Otherwise it is partisan BS and Pro sports investigations.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 19, 2009 5:54:26am |
"NEW YORK — New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd has admitted to using a paragraph virtually word-for-word from a prominent liberal blogger without attribution. Dowd acknowledged the error in an e-mail to The Huffington Post..."
The AP keeps using the word "error" like it was an unintended mistake. Lifting an entire paragraph from someone else's work doesn't happen "accidently" it has to be a conscience act to get the text from point "a" to point "b."
I can see my defense. It was an error that the money, which belonged to the bank, ended up in my account after I hacked into the banks web site and transfered the funds.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 19, 2009 5:55:21am |
re: #412 soxfan4life
This sentence here is why it will never happen.
Rodney Barker, a professor of government at the London School of Economics, said Martin's departure show that Parliament is taking reform seriously.
Reelection is the only thing Congress takes seriously. Otherwise it is partisan BS and Pro sports investigations.
Junkets, don't forget Junkets.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 5:55:22am |
The Central Intelligence Agency gave House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., advanced warning before CIA Chief Leon Panetta sent a memo to employees at the spy agency that countered Pelosi's claim that the agency lied to Congress about waterboarding.A CIA official, but not Panetta, made the call to Pelosi.
"His office gave a heads up," a Democratic aide said Monday.
The aide said Pelosi protested Panetta's memo on the call to no avail.
Heh.
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UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 5:55:48am |
Charles, if you're up, check out this video: Inspired Bicycles.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 5:56:38am |
re: #413 Walter L. Newton
"NEW YORK — New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd has admitted to using a paragraph virtually word-for-word from a prominent liberal blogger without attribution. Dowd acknowledged the error in an e-mail to The Huffington Post..."
The AP keeps using the word "error" like it was an unintended mistake. Lifting an entire paragraph from someone else's work doesn't happen "accidently" it has to be a conscience act to get the text from point "a" to point "b."
I can see my defense. It was an error that the money, which belonged to the bank, ended up in my account after I hacked into the banks web site and transfered the funds.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
We have a President and Vice-President who have no problem using other peoples speeches why wouldn't Maureen Dowd think the same way?
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 19, 2009 5:56:44am |
re: #413 Walter L. Newton
"NEW YORK — New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd has admitted to using a paragraph virtually word-for-word from a prominent liberal blogger without attribution. Dowd acknowledged the error in an e-mail to The Huffington Post..."
The AP keeps using the word "error" like it was an unintended mistake. Lifting an entire paragraph from someone else's work doesn't happen "accidently" it has to be a conscience act to get the text from point "a" to point "b."
I can see my defense. It was an error that the money, which belonged to the bank, ended up in my account after I hacked into the banks web site and transfered the funds.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
If I ever get audited by the IRS, I plan on using a similar defense. Hope we are incarcerated at the same Jail Walter.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 19, 2009 5:58:43am |
My first patient is my assistant's cousin. They are both late. Nice fit I guess?
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SixDegrees Tue, May 19, 2009 5:59:15am |
re: #352 soxfan4life
Won't the government be backing the warranties for GM and Chrysler?
I don't think so. That was part of the deal when they were in bailout mode, but I think that's off the table now that Chrysler is in bankruptcy court. Also, I don't think it ever got past the talking stage, regardless.
Could be wrong, however.
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Raven1 Tue, May 19, 2009 6:00:17am |
I just saw Jessie Ventura on Fox arguing about torture with Brian Kilmeade about torture. I thought he was going to blow a fuse. What an embarrasment.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 19, 2009 6:01:56am |
re: #418 Nevergiveup
If I ever get audited by the IRS, I plan on using a similar defense. Hope we are incarcerated at the same Jail Walter.
Thanks (I think :)
I get it at the theatre all the time. Outright, in you face lies, simply because someone intends to get what they want, and they don't give a damn how they are going to get it.
We have an open seating theatre. First come, first served, no "saving" of seats unless the partron(s) are actually in the facility. (There's not a bad seat among the 136 seats anyway).
I will have someone trying to save a row of 8 seats, tell me their party is at our bar, when there is no one in the lounge, and their party is across the street finishing up supper.
But they will stand there, straight faced, it's unbelievable.
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Irish Rose Tue, May 19, 2009 6:08:52am |
Good morning, lizards!
Matt over at Blackfive has launched a VERY important new project, the Warrior Legacy Foundation, and I'd like to encourage everyone here to give it the support that it deserves.
Links and more information over on my blog, and I'm also sending the link to Charles.
Second cup of coffee is calling....
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, May 19, 2009 6:08:54am |
re: #416 UFO TOFU
Charles, if you're up, check out this video: Inspired Bicycles.
Daaaang!
That's some talent!
But my knee and back hurt watching that!
How's it going UFO!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, May 19, 2009 6:13:06am |
re: #159 TheMatrix31
Man, 24 was fantastic.
I liked the cliffhanger finale, but if Jack converts to Islam next season, I'm going to throw a brick at my tv.
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justabill Tue, May 19, 2009 6:17:45am |
re: #15 Gus 802
There are anonymous remailers out there if you really want to reply without being tracable. I have never used any, but a google search should point you in the right direction should you want to reply...
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UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 6:19:01am |
re: #424 reloadingisnotahobby
I'm good, thanks. I wish I had a degree in finance. The district that I work with wants to transport several hundred more students this year than last year, but they want to trim 200k from the transportation budget. When I question how we could possibly move more kids for less money, they reply "make the routes more efficient". As if I haven't been doing that already. Could be a short summer.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 19, 2009 6:20:38am |
re: #427 UFO TOFU
I'm good, thanks. I wish I had a degree in finance. The district that I work with wants to transport several hundred more students this year than last year, but they want to trim 200k from the transportation budget. When I question how we could possibly move more kids for less money, they reply "make the routes more efficient". As if I haven't been doing that already. Could be a short summer.
Obama will pay for it. Problem solved.
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ConservatismNow! Tue, May 19, 2009 6:21:09am |
Looking over the current front page threads, I have to say that it seems the hardest thing a person can do is seperate opinion from fact. Intelligent Design has as much relevance in a biology class as teaching astrology in astronomy class. This applies to this vaccination fiasco. It makes me want to bop these people with a cardboard tube and say "No!"
| 432 |
Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 6:23:40am |
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Cathypop Tue, May 19, 2009 6:23:43am |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 19, 2009 6:24:00am |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, May 19, 2009 6:24:09am |
re: #425 Mad Al-Jaffee
I liked the cliffhanger finale, but if Jack converts to Islam next season, I'm going to throw a brick at my tv.
Agreed, but he won't. Fox isn't stupid enough to destroy their show that way.
OT: Here's a story to read this morning. It's somewhat good news:
U.S. to push immigration checks to all local jails
Sorry to post and run. BBT
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 6:24:40am |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 19, 2009 6:25:26am |
re: #436 Erik The Red
Is that you KT? hehehe
Thank you, my point made. Let's see how much blow back I get from my remark. My comment should be fine with most folks.
/
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UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 6:26:11am |
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MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 6:26:44am |
re: #392 NJDhockeyfan
Now for some comic relief. From yesterday...
Helen Thomas - Still Stuck in LaLa Land
Is Helen Thomas really that stupid?
Ship that stupid, fucking asshole to Iran. Where the hell has she been living for the past 30 years?!
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 19, 2009 6:26:50am |
re: #430 ConservatismNow!
Looking over the current front page threads, I have to say that it seems the hardest thing a person can do is seperate opinion from fact. Intelligent Design has as much relevance in a biology class as teaching astrology in astronomy class. This applies to this vaccination fiasco. It makes me want to bop these people with a cardboard tube and say "No!"
Over at "The Defenseman" blog, there are some comments by some blocked LGF users.
One claims he was blocked for admitting that he is a Catholic.
Another (or maybe the same one) said that he/she went to Catholic school, and learned "creationism" at school, in religion class and science in science class, apparently misunderstanding that that is not a problem, the problem is those folks who wish to teach creationism/ID in a public school in lieu of science.
There are some people (some blocked, some not at least not yet) that just insist on misunderstanding and misrepresenting the issues. You can talk 'til you're blue in the face, and they will STILL insist on misunderstanding and misrepresenting. I don't get it.
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MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 6:27:01am |
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 19, 2009 6:27:36am |
re: #434 Walter L. Newton
Liver-spotted old hag!
Yep.
And I hope to be her, still alive and kicking (and smoking!) at 100.
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 6:28:36am |
Jefferson finally going to trial....that Cadillac finally ran outa fuel
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 19, 2009 6:28:58am |
re: #442 reine.de.tout
Yep.
And I hope to be her, still alive and kicking (and smoking!) at 100.
Like I said, my comment should be fine with most folks. Glad you agreed.
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 19, 2009 6:29:44am |
re: #444 Walter L. Newton
Like I said, my comment should be fine with most folks. Glad you agreed.
Hell, Walter - I'm a liver-spotted old hag now.
I hope to be the same when I'm 100.
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 6:29:53am |
re: #435 Dark_Falcon
Agreed, but he won't. Fox isn't stupid enough to destroy their show that way.
OT: Here's a story to read this morning. It's somewhat good news:
U.S. to push immigration checks to all local jails
Sorry to post and run. BBT
a glimmer of common sense?....deport criminal aliens?.....La Raza's gonna flip out
| 447 |
MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 6:29:58am |
re: #406 Nevergiveup
The powerful speaker of the House of Commons is expected to resign Tuesday after a backlash over excessive expenses claims by British lawmakers.
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
Earth to Pelosi, Earth to Pelosi, Earth to Pelosi: Hint Hint Hint
This is a very serious issue over there. I just hope BP doesn't use this as an attempt to increase its rolls.
| 448 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, May 19, 2009 6:30:38am |
Today's my birthday. I wish there was some way for you guys to buy me drinks and send them to me at work. I would drink them if I could. :)
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MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 6:30:46am |
re: #447 MandyManners
This is a very serious issue over there. I just hope BP doesn't use this as an attempt to increase its rolls.
BNP.
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 6:30:49am |
Morning all, This just posted at Drudge
"At 1430 GMT, SKYNEWS will reveal pictures, 47-million-year-old fossilized skeleton of monkey hailed as 'missing link in human evolution... direct link between apes and man'... Developing... "
This ought to get things riled up at LGF for sure.
| 452 |
pingjockey Tue, May 19, 2009 6:31:42am |
Mornin' Lizard Nation!
Nat'l Health Care, IDers running the Repub party in SC, Jesse Ventura getting ready to rip Brian Kilmeades head off! Woohoo!
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UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 6:31:53am |
re: #422 Walter L. Newton
Thanks (I think :)
I get it at the theatre all the time. Outright, in you face lies, simply because someone intends to get what they want, and they don't give a damn how they are going to get it.
I see that a lot when I deal with parents. A parent will lie about their child's behavior, then when I show them the video footage capturing their child misbehaving, they wonder why their kid lied. Unreal.
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 6:32:17am |
re: #450 turn
Morning all, This just posted at Drudge
"At 1430 GMT, SKYNEWS will reveal pictures, 47-million-year-old fossilized skeleton of monkey hailed as 'missing link in human evolution... direct link between apes and man'... Developing... "
This ought to get things riled up at LGF for sure.
Charles posted that last week I believe
| 459 |
soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 6:33:39am |
re: #453 UFO TOFU
I see that a lot when I deal with parents. A parent will lie about their child's behavior, then when I show them the video footage capturing their child misbehaving, they wonder why their kid lied. Unreal.
The best ones are the ones that start trying to justify it. He/ She wouldn't have done it if this kid hadn't started it or some other load of crap.
| 461 |
laZardo Tue, May 19, 2009 6:34:05am |
re: #452 pingjockey
And in random anime-related news, a new show recently launched in Japan features a pretty-big-eyed-girl-type and her transgendered friend joining a resistance against a tyranny based around...the carbon credit system.
No, seriously.
| 462 |
turn Tue, May 19, 2009 6:34:08am |
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bloodnok Tue, May 19, 2009 6:34:12am |
re: #448 Mad Al-Jaffee
Today's my birthday. I wish there was some way for you guys to buy me drinks and send them to me at work. I would drink them if I could. :)
Happy Birthday!
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MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 6:34:51am |
re: #450 turn
Morning all, This just posted at Drudge
"At 1430 GMT, SKYNEWS will reveal pictures, 47-million-year-old fossilized skeleton of monkey hailed as 'missing link in human evolution... direct link between apes and man'... Developing... "
This ought to get things riled up at LGF for sure.
| 466 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, May 19, 2009 6:35:01am |
re: #453 UFO TOFU
I see that a lot when I deal with parents. A parent will lie about their child's behavior, then when I show them the video footage capturing their child misbehaving, they wonder why their kid lied. Unreal.
I know. Folks are willing to compromise their morals all the time (the ones that have any morals left). It's the American Idolization of the population. Use you 15 minutes to get what you want, anyway you can.
Happens right here on LGF all the time.
| 468 |
MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 6:35:31am |
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 19, 2009 6:35:50am |
re: #448 Mad Al-Jaffee
Today's my birthday. I wish there was some way for you guys to buy me drinks and send them to me at work. I would drink them if I could. :)
Happy Birthday!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 19, 2009 6:36:14am |
re: #448 Mad Al-Jaffee
Today's my birthday. I wish there was some way for you guys to buy me drinks and send them to me at work. I would drink them if I could. :)
Happy b'day.
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laZardo Tue, May 19, 2009 6:37:15am |
re: #470 pingjockey
Not quite yet, they still have to get through the Civilian Defense Force. (;
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bloodnok Tue, May 19, 2009 6:37:50am |
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 6:38:33am |
The sublime and the ridiculous are often so nearly related, that it is difficult to class them separately. One step above the sublime makes the ridiculous, and one step above the ridiculous makes the sublime again.
— Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
It's a fine line between being clever and being stupid.
- Nigel Tufnel, This Is Spinal Tap
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 6:38:52am |
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laZardo Tue, May 19, 2009 6:39:11am |
re: #468 MandyManners
Yowza.
/no stranger to scandal with politics where I live though, it's almost like a soap opera. q:
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 19, 2009 6:39:42am |
I'll take a water with a twist of sublime.
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 6:40:04am |
re: #477 albusteve
I mean is this funny or not?....decide for yourself
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
kos kid, ha lives in basement
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pingjockey Tue, May 19, 2009 6:40:24am |
re: #478 laZardo
I always thought politics in the PI was like WWF wrestling. No holds barred, lotsa shouting, etc...
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 6:40:28am |
re: #477 albusteve
I mean is this funny or not?....decide for yourself
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
Andrew Mizsak called authorities Thursday after his 28-year-old son — who's a school board member in the Cleveland suburb of Bedford — threw a plate of food across the kitchen table and made a fist at him when told to clean his room.
The son, also named Andrew, lives in a room in his parents' basement.
The father declined to press charges and told police he doesn't want to ruin his son's political career.
Koskid?
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 6:40:53am |
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pingjockey Tue, May 19, 2009 6:41:31am |
re: #477 albusteve
Dad needs to throw his ass to the curb...NOW!
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 6:41:39am |
re: #485 albusteve
at least one I think....remarkable resemblance to the turn tribe
ha, you're on to me.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 6:41:54am |
Event canceled after competitors flee
BRUSSELS -- The Belgian bodybuilding championship has been canceled after doping officials showed up and all the competitors fled.
A doping official says bodybuilders just grabbed their gear and ran off when he came into the room.
"I have never seen anything like it and hope never to see anything like it again," doping official Hans Cooman said Monday.
Twenty bodybuilders were entered in the weekend competition.
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opnion Tue, May 19, 2009 6:42:04am |
re: #477 albusteve
I mean is this funny or not?....decide for yourself
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
I would give him a timeout & make him skip the next Star Trek Convention.
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laZardo Tue, May 19, 2009 6:42:04am |
re: #482 pingjockey
And with lots of posters and sponsoring. Hurr.
Sometimes I think some people here have caught wind of the idea to start a scandal just to launch their political career.
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soxfan4life Tue, May 19, 2009 6:42:28am |
re: #486 pingjockey
Dad needs to throw his ass to the curb...NOW!
The guy is 28 years old, should have done it years ago.
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MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 6:42:32am |
For a North Texas woman, it turned her shopping trip for a wedding gown, into a confrontation.
The grandmother says she was kicked out of a store because of her service dog.
Neyo is a constant companion in Gloria Troutman's life.
The 62-year-old grandmother relies on the service animal to get around, since she lost control of half her body from multiple sclerosis.
"He's always right beside me, never leaves my side," said Troutman.
But on a recent trip to Town East Mall, a store kicked her out, she says, because of her service animal.
Every trip out is a challenge for Troutman.
But she was shopping with her granddaughter for wedding dresses, at Isis Bridal, inside the mall.
"They were like, 'we don't want the dog touching the dresses.' We were like 'he's not hurting anything,'" said Nicole Herring, Troutman's granddaughter.
SNIP
I HOPE SHE SUES THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF THEM.
The very idea.
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bloodnok Tue, May 19, 2009 6:42:57am |
re: #477 albusteve
I mean is this funny or not?....decide for yourself
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
Verdict: Funny. Though I hate these stories about people wasting 911 operators' and the police's time with things like this.
| 494 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, May 19, 2009 6:43:09am |
re: #443 albusteve
Jefferson finally going to trial....that Cadillac finally ran outa fuel
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
They're (SCOTUS) going to take up the constitutionality of SOX (Sarbanes-Oxley). Good; it's become a cottage industry, SOX compliance.
| 495 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, May 19, 2009 6:43:12am |
re: #477 albusteve
I mean is this funny or not?....decide for yourself
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
Nope, but you will be seeing more of this in the future. What the hell, we've been raising kids for the last 20 years to have NO self-worth, no goals, nothing to embrace the uniqueness of a person, it's all for the good of the group, no losers, all winners, don't keep score, keep a happy face, so these people think the world owes them success.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 6:44:11am |
re: #489 opnion
I would give him a timeout & make him skip the next
Star TrekYearlyKos Convention.
FIFY
| 498 |
realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 6:44:25am |
Good morning y'all - from a COLD (42 degrees when I awoke, going up to 72 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 6:44:42am |
re: #492 MandyManners
I hope that dog sneaks back in there and pisses all over those dresses.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 6:44:50am |
re: #440 reine.de.tout
Over at "The Defenseman" blog, there are some comments by some blocked LGF users.
One claims he was blocked for admitting that he is a Catholic.
Another (or maybe the same one) said that he/she went to Catholic school, and learned "creationism" at school, in religion class and science in science class, apparently misunderstanding that that is not a problem, the problem is those folks who wish to teach creationism/ID in a public school in lieu of science.
I went to Catholic school, we were taught Genesis & God is the creator of all things in religion class, then were taught about Mendel, Linnaeus & Darwin in science class & finished up the day by reading Inherit The Wind in English class & no one seemed to have any problems with the curriculum.
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MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 6:44:55am |
Tihs is the last day I can get a nap during the day for two months so, I'm gonna' get it while I can.
bbl
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pingjockey Tue, May 19, 2009 6:45:11am |
re: #490 laZardo
I was over there in 1980, 81, 82, 83. The local political discourse was ..lively!
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MandyManners Tue, May 19, 2009 6:45:31am |
re: #499 turn
I hope that dog sneaks back in there and pisses all over those dresses.
And, brings the cat to hack up a few hair-balls!
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opnion Tue, May 19, 2009 6:45:37am |
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laZardo Tue, May 19, 2009 6:45:38am |
re: #498 realwest
College resumes on Thursday, I need to find a way to earn some cash, and here's 99 seconds of Youtube describing how I feel.
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 6:45:41am |
re: #484 turn
kewl What's up Hengineer?
Oh, just some port visit after some NATO exercises, that's all.
The nearest town is Dunoon, and it has a few pubs to drink in.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 6:45:54am |
The US bans imports of Costa Rican shrimp over failure to protect endangered turtles
SAN JOSE — The U.S. State Department this month banned imports of Costa Rican shrimp because of this country's failure to enforce laws that prevent shrimpers from catching and drowning endangered sea turtles in their trawl nets.
The news came as a blow to a country thought to be leading a green revolution: There are fears here that the ban will tarnish Costa Rica's eco-friendly reputation. In addition, there are economic concerns. Costa Rica's seafood has slowly crept onto menus at U.S. restaurants in recent years.
"The initial economic impact won't be as bad as the way this will affect our image, which could spread to other sectors of the fishing industry as well. That's a big concern," said Patricia Arce, executive director of the National Chamber of Fishery Product Exporters.
| 508 |
Canoe Train Tue, May 19, 2009 6:45:54am |
Allow me to open some fresh fruit cups to share. I'm sorry to read of Cato's experiences in Scouting in the previous thread. having been the recipient of much more than my share of negative attention in my youth (from other classmates) I empathize and offer my condolences.
| 509 |
pingjockey Tue, May 19, 2009 6:45:55am |
re: #492 MandyManners
IIRC, she has a case. The AWDA covers service animals.
| 510 |
Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 6:45:59am |
re: #498 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a COLD (42 degrees when I awoke, going up to 72 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?
Morning rw :)
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 6:46:09am |
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 6:46:26am |
re: #500 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I went to Catholic school, we were taught Genesis & God is the creator of all things in religion class, then were taught about Mendel, Linnaeus & Darwin in science class & finished up the day by reading Inherit The Wind in English class & no one seemed to have any problems with the curriculum.
I've only seen the movie Inherit the Wind. Good story, makes you think.
| 513 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 6:46:42am |
re: #489 opnion
I would give him a timeout & make him skip the next Star Trek Convention.
had I ever tossed anything at my dad he would have immediately knocked me out...
| 514 |
Canoe Train Tue, May 19, 2009 6:47:13am |
re: #491 soxfan4life
Agreed. The guy should have moved out, or at least start paying rent, about a decade ago.
| 515 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, May 19, 2009 6:47:16am |
re: #439 MandyManners
Ship that stupid, fucking asshole to Iran. Where the hell has she been living for the past 30 years?!
Who says she has been living?
| 517 |
laZardo Tue, May 19, 2009 6:47:35am |
re: #502 pingjockey
I was over there in 1980, 81, 82, 83. The local political discourse was ..lively!
Ninoy Aquino - the new Che Guevara.
/merchandising deals and all.
| 518 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 6:47:37am |
re: #504 opnion
How about both, or is that too tough?
Great idea! And make him take down his Obama poster.
| 519 |
turn Tue, May 19, 2009 6:47:37am |
re: #506 Hengineer
I have to make it over there some day, if for nothing else the beer!
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 6:47:46am |
re: #494 Ward Cleaver
They're (SCOTUS) going to take up the constitutionality of SOX (Sarbanes-Oxley). Good; it's become a cottage industry, SOX compliance.
I read that but had no clue...never heard of it
| 521 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, May 19, 2009 6:47:56am |
re: #492 MandyManners
SNIP
I HOPE SHE SUES THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF THEM.
The very idea.
Well, there you go. The store is owned by RoPers. Town East is one place where we used to shop when I was a kid, and when we went into that place, we always seemed to forget where we parked the car (brain fart). The last time I was there was around Christmas, when I took my mom's car battery to be checked out at Sears.
| 522 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 6:48:14am |
re: #489 opnion
I would give him a timeout & make him skip the next Star Trek Convention.
What prompted the fight - Dad's a big Kirk fan, but the kid likes Picard?
| 524 |
opnion Tue, May 19, 2009 6:48:45am |
re: #513 albusteve
had I ever tossed anything at my dad he would have immediately knocked me out...
The father has to insist that his son get an apartment.
Political consultant? I would love to know to who.
| 525 |
Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 6:49:32am |
re: #519 turn
I have to make it over there some day, if for nothing else the beer!
Screw the beer laddie, I'm here for the Malt Whisky (Scotch)!re: #516 pingjockey
Boat or ship? Or are you not navy?
Depends on who you talk to about it being a boat or ship. Civilian, actually, on one of the Naval Supply Ships. The ship picture is my avatar.
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opnion Tue, May 19, 2009 6:49:59am |
re: #518 NJDhockeyfan
Great idea! And make him take down his Obama poster.
& give up the Chia Obama.
| 527 |
jorline Tue, May 19, 2009 6:50:15am |
re: #492 MandyManners
SNIP
I HOPE SHE SUES THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF THEM.
The very idea.
She'll have a very good case. Service dogs are allowed in Texas restaurants, I doubt the retail stores and malls have a leg to stand on.
I have two regular customers that use service dogs and they know they're both welcome.
| 528 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, May 19, 2009 6:50:32am |
re: #520 albusteve
I read that but had no clue...never heard of it
It came about because of the corporate accounting scandals (Enron, WorldCom, etc.) , but it's pretty draconian, and is a drag on companies.
| 529 |
realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 6:50:51am |
re: #505 laZardo Wow! I guess you're, ah, tense about it all?!
:)
| 530 |
Irish Rose Tue, May 19, 2009 6:51:12am |
re: #440 reine.de.tout
Over at "The Defenseman" blog, there are some comments by some blocked LGF users.
One claims he was blocked for admitting that he is a Catholic.
Another (or maybe the same one) said that he/she went to Catholic school, and learned "creationism" at school, in religion class and science in science class, apparently misunderstanding that that is not a problem, the problem is those folks who wish to teach creationism/ID in a public school in lieu of science.
There are some people (some blocked, some not at least not yet) that just insist on misunderstanding and misrepresenting the issues. You can talk 'til you're blue in the face, and they will STILL insist on misunderstanding and misrepresenting. I don't get it.
I do... they do it out of fear. They dance around the issue because they're afraid to acknowledge the truth, the truth that biological evolution is proven scientific fact.
They honestly think that acknowledging the evolutionary process goes against everything that they've been taught and believed all of their lives. God created man in His image, and it all started with Adam and Eve... etc. They're not willing to believe that this account of creation and the origin of life could be anything other than literal.
Ignorance is a safe, warm place for the cowardly and an unacceptable harbor for the courageously inquisitive. As a Christian, I prefer being the latter.
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laZardo Tue, May 19, 2009 6:51:24am |
re: #523 pingjockey
No, that's her husband. Admirable fellow, actually.
Not that I can say that about their daughter.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 6:51:26am |
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 6:51:30am |
re: #524 opnion
The father has to insist that his son get an apartment.
Political consultant? I would love to know to who.
a raging libtard, essentially living off someone elses dime
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 6:51:49am |
re: #522 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
What prompted the fight - Dad's a big Kirk fan, but the kid likes Picard?
What if the kid prefers to watch Star Trek for 7 of 9 instead?
;-)
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pingjockey Tue, May 19, 2009 6:52:14am |
re: #525 Hengineer
Aha! Got to spend 5 wonderful years on the USNS Range Sentinel T-AGM 22 out of Cape Canaveral, Fl. I was an E-5 at the time, had been on DDs, FFs and having your own stateroom is just mad.
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Irish Rose Tue, May 19, 2009 6:52:18am |
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 6:53:18am |
re: #528 Ward Cleaver
It came about because of the corporate accounting scandals (Enron, WorldCom, etc.) , but it's pretty draconian, and is a drag on companies.
thanks
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rightside Tue, May 19, 2009 6:53:23am |
re: #536 pingjockey
Did that have the big golf balls on the main deck?
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pingjockey Tue, May 19, 2009 6:53:48am |
re: #531 laZardo
Ah, thanks! Now that I'm out of San Diego I can't keep up with the politics over there! Not real big on the local radar here!
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opnion Tue, May 19, 2009 6:54:00am |
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 6:54:21am |
re: #525 Hengineer
oph you can have all of that you want, yuck. Hey this might come in handy for you someday
[Link: southernfriedscience.com...]
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 19, 2009 6:54:46am |
At some point, there will have to be some prominent Democrat who calls Obama out on some of his moves. Right now, it is next to impossible because of BO's enormous popularity. But at some point in time, there will be someone from his own party that declares "The Empty Suit Has No Clothes." There is someone in the Dem party that has presidential aspirations and will have to lay the groundwork for their eventual campaign. And that may be just the person we need as a leader. Someone with courage who isn't afraid of being called a racist. Maybe even another African American who is more conservative on financial and defense issues but is liberal on the social issues. I would consider voting for such a person.
But how long will it take and who will it be? Does anyone see such a person out there?
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pingjockey Tue, May 19, 2009 6:54:53am |
re: #539 rightside
No, we had 4 giant dish antennas. The Vanguard and Redstone had giant golf balls. Covers for the dish antennas.
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 6:54:58am |
re: #510 Erik The Red
Good morning Erik! Boy, I feel so much better this morning than I did most of the day and night last night!
Saw mom's doctor yesterday morning. Family Physician said she thought my mom had had a very minor stroke.
I was, as you can imagine, not a very happy camper after that until I got to speak to a GOOD doctor, described everything, including all test results and he said "Bullshit, she just had a bad reaction to new medication in addition to the other meds she was taking." Gave us different directions for taking all the med's and Mom woke up feeling fine today!
And I realized when she said that, that I felt like I'd been holding my breath all night!
Hope you're feeling well ETR!
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Irish Rose Tue, May 19, 2009 6:55:04am |
BTW, for the curious...- I outed myself on my blog last night.
It's official: I'm not Charles.
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opnion Tue, May 19, 2009 6:55:07am |
re: #533 albusteve
a raging libtard, essentially living off someone elses dime
Wonder if he consults to Dennis Kucinich? He lives in Cleveland.
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 6:55:15am |
re: #521 Ward Cleaver
Ward, are you saying the owners are Muslim?
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SixDegrees Tue, May 19, 2009 6:55:59am |
re: #492 MandyManners
SNIPI HOPE SHE SUES THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF THEM.
The very idea.
Here, we have a state law explicitly allowing service animals to accompany their owners anywhere. Period. I'd be surprised if Texas didn't have a similar statute.
It's suin' time!
If that doesn't work, maybe I'll pay the store a visit. With my service baboon.
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 6:56:15am |
re: #536 pingjockey
Aha! Got to spend 5 wonderful years on the USNS Range Sentinel T-AGM 22 out of Cape Canaveral, Fl. I was an E-5 at the time, had been on DDs, FFs and having your own stateroom is just mad.
Interesting, know a fellow by the name of M. Sanhudo? I don't think he sailed on the Range Sentinal, but he was on the USNS Vanguard and the USNS Waters down there in Cape Canaveral. He started out as a Refrigeration Engineer and ended up as a Third Assistant Engineer before those special mission ships got contracted to the Union Halls and the Civilian Mariner DOD employees were only put on the Auxiliary Fleet ships (Like my current one, USNS Kanawha T-AO 196)
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rightside Tue, May 19, 2009 6:56:50am |
re: #544 pingjockey
We spent a good amount of time at port canaveral back in 87 for shock trials. I remember seeing those ships there while we were.
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 6:56:55am |
re: #543 _RememberTonyC
At some point, there will have to be some prominent Democrat who calls Obama out on some of his moves. Right now, it is next to impossible because of BO's enormous popularity. But at some point in time, there will be someone from his own party that declares "The Empty Suit Has No Clothes." There is someone in the Dem party that has presidential aspirations and will have to lay the groundwork for their eventual campaign. And that may be just the person we need as a leader. Someone with courage who isn't afraid of being called a racist. Maybe even another African American who is more conservative on financial and defense issues but is liberal on the social issues. I would consider voting for such a person.
But how long will it take and who will it be? Does anyone see such a person out there?
there are like 41 blue dogs in the House and they are not happy with his spending bills...I keep saying that this first donk to take BO to the mat will be a hero
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pingjockey Tue, May 19, 2009 6:57:24am |
re: #550 Hengineer
Do not remember! I was aboard from '85 to '90.
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pingjockey Tue, May 19, 2009 6:58:12am |
re: #551 rightside
Great place to be stationed for active navy.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 19, 2009 6:58:23am |
re: #548 turn
Ward, are you saying the owners are Muslim?
The apology letter with the story (I do give them credit for apologizing, and offering $50 off on a purchase) is signed, " Mohamed Hafez, President, Isis Bridal & Formal".
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 6:58:35am |
re: #545 realwest
Good morning Erik! Boy, I feel so much better this morning than I did most of the day and night last night!
Saw mom's doctor yesterday morning. Family Physician said she thought my mom had had a very minor stroke.
I was, as you can imagine, not a very happy camper after that until I got to speak to a GOOD doctor, described everything, including all test results and he said "Bullshit, she just had a bad reaction to new medication in addition to the other meds she was taking." Gave us different directions for taking all the med's and Mom woke up feeling fine today!
And I realized when she said that, that I felt like I'd been holding my breath all night!
Hope you're feeling well ETR!
Glad to hear that your mom is getting some quality care and is feeling better. Are you able to continue seeing this new doctor?
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 6:58:38am |
Here's some lizard news...
Venom is Komodo dragon's lethal weapon
The Komodo dragon is not just the largest living lizard, but one of the most venomous creatures on earth, scientists have found.The huge, carnivorous lizards, which can tear their prey apart, kill their victims with venom rather than bacteria-laden bites, as scientists have always believed.
The dragons, which grow to a length of about 10 feet (three metres) and weigh around 130lb (59kg) are vicious predators, preying on animals as large as deer.
Commonly, they attack their prey by repeatedly biting and tearing, then wait as it dies a lingering death.
Because they also feed on carrion, scientists have always believed that their mouths must be teeming with bacteria and that those germs infected their victims, slowly killing them.
But magnetic resonance imaging scans have shown that Komodos have complex glands in their mouths that produce venom similar to that of many snakes.
The lizard's sharp, serrated teeth open up wounds into which the venom flows, from the gland that runs along the jawline.
As the wound bleeds the venom acts as an anti-coagulant, increasing the blood flow and reducing blood pressure, sending the victim into shock. Because the victim's blood cannot clot, it bleeds to death.
The venom make the animals formidable killers, even though they have a much weaker bite than a crocodile.
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 6:59:21am |
re: #543 _RememberTonyC
Is it just me or does anybody else see O aging already ... his hair is turning gray
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 6:59:23am |
re: #537 Irish Rose
I wanna be where you are.
I want to visit Ireland. I've got a bit of Irish blood in me from my grandmother on my dad's side, even though I don't know the original clan, I'd love to visit the "mother country".
re: #542 turn
oph you can have all of that you want, yuck. Hey this might come in handy for you someday
[Link: southernfriedscience.com...]
lol I appreciate it but I've stopped drinking beer as it sits too heavy in my stomach/esophogaus and doesn't let me enjoy food at the same time. Besides, after sampling a few of the single malts here I really do enjoy them. Johnny Walker "Blue" label is way overpriced ;-)
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 6:59:41am |
re: #546 Irish Rose
BTW, for the curious...- I outed myself on my blog last night.
It's official: I'm not Charles.
So YOU say! LOL!
Good morning Irish Rose!
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pingjockey Tue, May 19, 2009 6:59:41am |
re: #555 rightside
Was looking at Google earth, the whole port has been changed. Lotsa cruise ship stuff.
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SixDegrees Tue, May 19, 2009 6:59:44am |
re: #500 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I went to Catholic school, we were taught Genesis & God is the creator of all things in religion class, then were taught about Mendel, Linnaeus & Darwin in science class & finished up the day by reading Inherit The Wind in English class & no one seemed to have any problems with the curriculum.
I very much doubt that they were taught such crap at a Catholic school. The Catholic church has long been supportive of evolution, viewing it as a simple fact of God's creation. They are also commited to providing a high-quality education in all fields of knowledge, free from such garbage.
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rightside Tue, May 19, 2009 7:00:01am |
We had a blast for shock trials!
Heh! We were the bang gang!
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 7:00:25am |
re: #559 turn
Is it just me or does anybody else see O aging already ... his hair is turning gray
his liquid brain is leaking out
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jorline Tue, May 19, 2009 7:00:37am |
re: #549 SixDegrees
Here, we have a state law explicitly allowing service animals to accompany their owners anywhere. Period. I'd be surprised if Texas didn't have a similar statute.
It's suin' time!
If that doesn't work, maybe I'll pay the store a visit. With my service baboon.
Texas has the same law...all she need to do is leash her attorney and revisit the store.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 19, 2009 7:00:49am |
re: #552 albusteve
there are like 41 blue dogs in the House and they are not happy with his spending bills...I keep saying that this first donk to take BO to the mat will be a hero
Who are some of the names from that group? Are any of them minorities? I only ask because anyone who takes on Obama will be vulnerable to charges of racism because the media will always look to help Obama that way. And fending off charges of racism is easier for some that for others.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 19, 2009 7:00:51am |
re: #558 NJDhockeyfan
Here's some lizard news...
I can't hear the words "Komodo dragon" without thinking of The Freshman.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 19, 2009 7:01:31am |
BBL. Got to finish up some paper work/cash ups and then I am headed home via the pub. Later.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 7:02:23am |
re: #558 NJDhockeyfan
Here's some lizard news...
Venom is Komodo dragon's lethal weapon
Commonly, they attack their prey by repeatedly biting and tearing, then wait as it dies a lingering death.
Because they also feed on carrion, scientists have always believed that their mouths must be teeming with bacteria and that those germs infected their victims, slowly killing them.
But magnetic resonance imaging scans have shown that Komodos have complex glands in their mouths that produce venom similar to that of many snakes.
But if they feed on carrion, why would they need venom?
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:02:23am |
re: #556 Ward Cleaver
oh, thanks. Yes at least they apologized, but couold simply be an attempt to avoid a lawsuit.
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pingjockey Tue, May 19, 2009 7:02:36am |
So, the UAW deal costs about 1500 bucks a car, the new cafe standards will add another 1300 bucks. Yep, really gonna help Detroit.
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 7:02:38am |
re: #553 pingjockey
Do not remember! I was aboard from '85 to '90.
Huh, he was on those ships in the '80s. But I think he was only on those 2, the Vanguard and the Waters....
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 19, 2009 7:02:53am |
re: #559 turn
Is it just me or does anybody else see O aging already ... his hair is turning gray
it comes with the territory. obama is at the age when gray hair starts to show itself. Reagan solved that problem with hair dye ... he was smart like that!
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SixDegrees Tue, May 19, 2009 7:03:08am |
re: #552 albusteve
there are like 41 blue dogs in the House and they are not happy with his spending bills...I keep saying that this first donk to take BO to the mat will be a hero
Responsible Republicans will be reaching across the aisle to form a coalition with these folks. Between the two groups, they can probably rope together enough votes to halt the impending budget in it's tracks and at least force some additional reason into it.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 19, 2009 7:03:23am |
re: #573 turn
oh, thanks. Yes at least they apologized, but couold simply be an attempt to avoid a lawsuit.
It's a cheap way to get out of one.
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redstateredneck Tue, May 19, 2009 7:03:37am |
re: #569 _RememberTonyC
Who are some of the names from that group? Are any of them minorities? I only ask because anyone who takes on Obama will be vulnerable to charges of racism because the media will always look to help Obama that way. And fending off charges of racism is easier for some that for others.
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:04:00am |
re: #558 NJDhockeyfan
Well I learn something new a LGF every day, venom not bacteria. heh
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 7:04:01am |
re: #569 _RememberTonyC
Who are some of the names from that group? Are any of them minorities? I only ask because anyone who takes on Obama will be vulnerable to charges of racism because the media will always look to help Obama that way. And fending off charges of racism is easier for some that for others.
[Link: www.house.gov...]
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pingjockey Tue, May 19, 2009 7:04:27am |
re: #576 Hengineer
Was on the Vanguard once or twice. Big damn ship. Converted tanker for tracking space and missle shots. The Range Sentinel was an old Victory ship from WWII. Had a 400lb boiler plant.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 7:04:28am |
re: #570 Ward Cleaver
I can't hear the words "Komodo dragon" without thinking of The Freshman.
I think of the Far Side cartoon where a Komodo Dragon pulls off a human mask & tells his disappointed woman, "I'm not the man of your dreams - I'm a Komodo Dragon, largest member of the lizard family & a filthy liar."
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redstateredneck Tue, May 19, 2009 7:04:40am |
re: #575 pingjockey
So, the UAW deal costs about 1500 bucks a car, the new cafe standards will add another 1300 bucks. Yep, really gonna help Detroit.
Don't worry. There'll be a tax rebate for buying one.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 7:04:44am |
Cops: Kids on board while Ohio couple got busy in car's front seat
MAY 18--Meet Danica Wallace and Jeremy Welch. The Ohio couple was arrested Friday after cops spotted them having sex in a car while Wallace's two small children were in the vehicle's back seat. According to a Springfield Police Department report, a copy of which you'll find here, Wallace, 24, was driving a Ford Taurus when she and Welch, 29, "pulled off the roadway to have sex." When police approached the vehicle, they discovered Wallace, naked from the waist down, astride a similarly pantsless Welch, who was seated in the front passenger seat. Welch, who was "extremely intoxicated," offered cops a simple explanation for the pair's conduct: "We got horny and just wanted to fuck!" Wallace, who failed a series of field sobriety tests, claimed to have only consumed a 22-ounce bottle of Budweiser. "I'm not completely drunk," she assured police. Wallace was charged with drunk driving, child endangerment, and possession of drug paraphernalia. Welch was charged with public indecency. Wallace's children, ages four and 22 months, were turned over to a friend of hers.
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SixDegrees Tue, May 19, 2009 7:04:56am |
re: #572 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
But if they feed on carrion, why would they need venom?
Carrion is a meal of opportunity for them. They also hunt.
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:05:42am |
re: #560 Hengineer
fwiw, the worst hangover of my life was from drinking scotch. I haven't had any since.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 7:05:58am |
re: #577 _RememberTonyC
it comes with the territory. obama is at the age when gray hair starts to show itself. Reagan solved that problem with hair dye ... he was smart like that!
He only did that to intimidate the Communists!
/Hank Hill
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opnion Tue, May 19, 2009 7:06:21am |
re: #559 turn
Is it just me or does anybody else see O aging already ... his hair is turning gray
The pressure of planning the Wednesday Night soirees is starting to get to him.
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 7:06:34am |
re: #578 SixDegrees
Responsible Republicans will be reaching across the aisle to form a coalition with these folks. Between the two groups, they can probably rope together enough votes to halt the impending budget in it's tracks and at least force some additional reason into it.
they are exactly why the cap and trade idea was put off til next year...so I read somewhere
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SixDegrees Tue, May 19, 2009 7:06:37am |
re: #588 turn
fwiw, the worst hangover of my life was from drinking scotch. I haven't had any since.
Due to an incident in my youth, Scotch tastes like vomit to me to this day.
That's all I'm gonna say.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 7:07:57am |
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Irish Rose Tue, May 19, 2009 7:07:59am |
re: #592 SixDegrees
Due to an incident in my youth, Scotch tastes like vomit to me to this day.
That's all I'm gonna say.
My fiance is like that with Whiskey.
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:08:02am |
re: #575 pingjockey
So, the UAW deal costs about 1500 bucks a car, the new cafe standards will add another 1300 bucks. Yep, really gonna help Detroit.
They were throwing around $600 on Fox and Friends this morning, even at that amount your point is still valid.
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 7:08:23am |
re: #583 pingjockey
Was on the Vanguard once or twice. Big damn ship. Converted tanker for tracking space and missle shots. The Range Sentinel was an old Victory ship from WWII. Had a 400lb boiler plant.
That is old, I think he said the Vanguard had M-Type boilers? I forget. I've only sailed on 1 steam ship as a 3rd A/E, the USNS Mount Baker, built in 1965, was an ammunition ship designed to carry the huge battleship/heavy cruiser rounds. She had a 600-lb steam plant.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 19, 2009 7:08:43am |
re: #582 albusteve
thanks to you and RedStateRedneck for the lists. i'm gonna do some research on those folks. there are several from California, which is a state that if the Repubs can win, it would be huge in a general election.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 19, 2009 7:09:02am |
re: #592 SixDegrees
Due to an incident in my youth, Scotch tastes like vomit to me to this day.
That's all I'm gonna say.
Thats because you were supposed to drink it BEFORE it went into the wino ,, not AFTER !
/////
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 7:09:10am |
re: #557 Erik The Red
Thanks Erik - no - didn't see him, talked to him on the phone last evening. He's been my Internist and great friend for over 30 years in NYC and we stay in touch and I was SO AFRAID for mom that I called him. He's a super fine doctor, was Professor of Internal Medicine and of Diagnostic Medicine at NYU Medical School and is one of those rare gems: no time limit (mom's Family Practice doctor, right after telling mom she'd had a "minor stroke", prescribed new meds and told mom to go to this place for an evaluation to get either a walker or a cane, then said "Well I've another patient, check back with me and we'll see you in a few months"). 15 minutes to the minute after we walked into her office.
So I called Bert (my friend and doctor) and he called us back and spent more time with us on the phone, then Mom's Family Practice Doctor gave us, going over Mom's medical history, her recent test results and medications, checked the meds for interactions, said "Ah hah - that one new med your mom took "medical mumble jumble neuron pathways, more medical mumble jumble" then told Mom order in which he would have her take the meds and said call or page me anytime".
Just a super SUPER doctor!
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SixDegrees Tue, May 19, 2009 7:09:27am |
re: #599 sattv4u2
Thats because you were supposed to drink it BEFORE it went into the wino ,, not AFTER !
/////
I don't remember all the details.
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redstateredneck Tue, May 19, 2009 7:09:36am |
re: #559 turn
Is it just me or does anybody else see O aging already ... his hair is turning gray
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:09:48am |
re: #577 _RememberTonyC
Yes but I didn't notice him gray until after he won. The job is very stressfull for sure.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:09:58am |
re: #587 SixDegrees
Carrion is a meal of opportunity for them. They also hunt.
It's also a meal for wayward sons.
Carrion, my wayward son.
(Good morning lizards.)
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Irish Rose Tue, May 19, 2009 7:10:01am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 19, 2009 7:10:08am |
re: #601 SixDegrees
I don't remember all the details.
Thank God there were no video cell phones and youtube in my youth!
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:11:07am |
re: #603 turn
Yes but I didn't notice him gray until after he won. The job is very stressfull for sure.
He's turning gray from the stress that his FORGED NIRTH CERTIFIKIT has been discovered!
/
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 7:11:16am |
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 19, 2009 7:11:48am |
re: #603 turn
Yes but I didn't notice him gray until after he won. The job is very stressfull for sure.
toughest job in the world for sure
definitely above MY pay grade
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:11:51am |
re: #586 NJDhockeyfan
ha, at least he answered the question honestly.
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 7:11:57am |
re: #588 turn
fwiw, the worst hangover of my life was from drinking scotch. I haven't had any since.
My worst times drinking were when I mixed alcohols. Blacked out once when we pulled into Soudha Bay, Crete, and we went into Chania for R+R. Mixed beer with vodka with their local "moonshine" the "raki" stuff that restaurants provided at the table.
I have no problem drinking now, I just don't drink to get drunk anymore.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:12:21am |
re: #592 SixDegrees
Due to an incident in my youth, Scotch tastes like vomit to me to this day.
That's all I'm gonna say.
Due to an incident in my youth, Scotch tastes like vomit to me, and so does peppermint Schnapps, and blackberry brandy. And yes, those were all related to the same incident.
(What a very, very bad idea that was.)
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 7:12:36am |
re: #568 pingjockey
Hey thanks ping - so are we, and VERY GLAD that she didn't have a stroke at all!
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UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 7:13:06am |
re: #588 turn
fwiw, the worst hangover of my life was from drinking scotch. I haven't had any since.
No kidding, scotch has legs (and no, the fact that it was a quart between me and my buddy had nothing to do with it).
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redstateredneck Tue, May 19, 2009 7:13:10am |
re: #614 realwest
{realwest} and one for {mom}, too!
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:13:13am |
re: #592 SixDegrees
Due to an incident in my youth, Scotch tastes like vomit to me to this day.
That's all I'm gonna say.
Ha, thanks for sparing us from the details.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 7:14:14am |
re: #615 UFO TOFU
No kidding, scotch has legs (and no, the fact that it was a quart between me and my buddy had nothing to do with it).
That's why they wear those kilts!
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Kenneth Tue, May 19, 2009 7:14:21am |
re: #613 Occasional Reader
Behead those who mix scotch with peppermint Schnapps and blackberry brandy. A Scottish pox upon your house!
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:14:33am |
re: #528 Ward Cleaver
It came about because of the corporate accounting scandals (Enron, WorldCom, etc.) , but it's pretty draconian, and is a drag on companies.
There is an Old Legal Saying (kind of like The Phantom's "Old Jungle Sayings"): Bad cases make bad law.
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 7:14:34am |
re: #585 redstateredneck
Good morning {red} how are you doing today?
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:15:19am |
re: #620 Kenneth
Behead those who mix scotch with peppermint Schnapps and blackberry brandy. A Scottish pox upon your house!
The following morning, I would have WELCOMED a beheading.
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:15:20am |
re: #594 NJDhockeyfan
Hey NJD, check out the lower video
[Link: southernfriedscience.com...]
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lawhawk Tue, May 19, 2009 7:15:31am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. For those in the area, you're on notice that there will be numerous military fly bys and other aerial demonstrations along the Hudson River in conjunction with Fleet Week. It starts tomorrow and runs through Monday, and the Navy will have various demonstrations and flybys of aircraft during that time.
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UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 7:15:51am |
Bleh, the dwarf goat got out, search and rescue time. Later.
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 7:15:56am |
re: #620 Kenneth
Behead those who mix scotch with peppermint Schnapps and blackberry brandy. A Scottish pox upon your house!
A toast to your curse mate!
an aside: I have a problem drinking red bull without tasting vodka anymore.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:16:56am |
re: #626 UFO TOFU
Bleh, the dwarf goat got out, search and rescue time. Later.
I hate it when that happens.
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:16:59am |
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 7:17:25am |
re: #604 Occasional Reader
(groan) Good morning O.R. - y'all still in Buenas Aires or did ya fly back overnight?
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redstateredneck Tue, May 19, 2009 7:17:33am |
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:18:26am |
re: #604 Occasional Reader
It's also a meal for wayward sons.
Carrion, my wayward son.
(Good morning lizards.)
LOL Morning OR. Are you still in Argentina?
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:18:37am |
re: #630 realwest
(groan) Good morning O.R. - y'all still in Buenas Aires or did ya fly back overnight?
I don't know about this "Buenas Aires" joint, but I'm still in Buenos Aires, yes.
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justabill Tue, May 19, 2009 7:18:57am |
re: #627 Hengineer
A toast to your curse mate!
an aside: I have a problem drinking red bull without tasting vodka anymore.
I never understood mixing a stimulant with a depressant. Seems like a lot of money to waste for something that basically cancels itself out. I must admit that I have never tried this so I might be missing something.
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 7:19:26am |
re: #616 redstateredneck
Thanks {red}! I actually feel as if I can breathe again.
One day respite though, today shopping and pharmacy, tomorrow Oncologist.
Gah I'll be glad when this week is over!
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:20:37am |
re: #625 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. For those in the area, you're on notice that there will be numerous military fly bys and other aerial demonstrations along the Hudson River
E-MAIR-GENCY! EVERYONE TO GET FROM STREET!
/Alan Arkin Russian accent
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redstateredneck Tue, May 19, 2009 7:20:41am |
re: #635 realwest
I am soooo looking forward to the long Memorial Day weekend. Big plans at the lake house. A good time will be had by all.
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redstateredneck Tue, May 19, 2009 7:21:21am |
re: #636 Occasional Reader
E-MAIR-GENCY! EVERYONE TO GET FROM STREET!
/Alan Arkin Russian accent
LOL! My brother and I used to shout that whenever anything went wrong.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 19, 2009 7:21:37am |
re: #626 UFO TOFU
Bleh, the dwarf goat got out, search and rescue time. Later.
Don't send the Komodo Dragon after him!
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:21:55am |
re: #609 realwest
Thank you turn! How are you today?
I'm fine real, thanks. Broke my darn glasses over the weekend so I'm like blind as a bat. Pick the new pair up after work today. Actually it's two pair. Hey for all you vision impaired lizards out there Lenscrafters has a killer deal on glasses right now, two pair for $189 which includes lenses and frames. One clear and one sunglasses.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 7:22:00am |
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 7:22:16am |
re: #634 justabill
I never understood mixing a stimulant with a depressant. Seems like a lot of money to waste for something that basically cancels itself out. I must admit that I have never tried this so I might be missing something.
I don't think its the stimulant, really, its probably the concentrated "Mountain Dew" like flavor of red bull mixed in with vodka makes for an interesting taste.
Sprite goes good with a light rum, too, like Bicardi.
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 7:22:37am |
re: #625 lawhawk
Good morning lawhawk - that's one of the many things I miss about NYC - Fleet Week and the attendent events. Fleet Week over July 4, 1996 was really special! You going to see any of it?
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 7:23:34am |
re: #640 turn
I'm fine real, thanks. Broke my darn glasses over the weekend so I'm like blind as a bat. Pick the new pair up after work today. Actually it's two pair. Hey for all you vision impaired lizards out there Lenscrafters has a killer deal on glasses right now, two pair for $189 which includes lenses and frames. One clear and one sunglasses.
Its the Seeing-Eye Stimulus package!
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:24:00am |
re: #612 Hengineer
Yeah, never a good idea to mix. btw, man that's a big ship you're on.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 19, 2009 7:24:11am |
re: #642 Hengineer
I don't think its the stimulant, really, its probably the concentrated "Mountain Dew" like flavor of red bull mixed in with vodka makes for an interesting taste.
Sprite goes good with a light rum, too, like Bicardi.
I prefer a top shelf vodka, with orange juice and ice ,,,,,,,,,
except ,,,,, ,hold the ice ,,,,,,,,,,,,
and the OJ
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 7:24:23am |
re: #633 Occasional Reader
Ah well then you're in the tourist town they call Buenos Aires; y'all ought to get out to Buenas Aires and have some fun, you know?!?
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 19, 2009 7:24:23am |
re: #440 reine.de.tout
The owner of that blog appears to be letting them comment and out themselves. In essence, letting them hang themselves by their own petards with their own words. It's pitiful, really, what some of them claim about their bannings.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:24:31am |
re: #638 redstateredneck
LOL! My brother and I used to shout that whenever anything went wrong.
I think that's an excellent tradition, and intend to implement it myself immediately.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 7:24:38am |
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:26:06am |
re: #613 Occasional Reader
Oh my gawd, what a dangerous combination. How the hell could you even remember what you drank? I do like Schnapps once in a while with beer though.
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 7:26:12am |
re: #645 turn
Yeah, never a good idea to mix. btw, man that's a big ship you're on.
Kanawha? Yea, these newest oilers are fairly big. They hold LOTS of fuel (the actual amount is probably classified, I think, so I doubt I can tell you?)
Its a good decent walk from bow to stern.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:26:16am |
re: #647 realwest
Ah well then you're in the tourist town they call Buenos Aires; y'all ought to get out to Buenas Aires and have some fun, you know?!?
And the irony is, the aires here aren't all that buenos, generally speaking. (Three cheers for the catalytic converter, which never quite made it south of the Rio Grande, it seems.)
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lawhawk Tue, May 19, 2009 7:26:39am |
re: #643 realwest
I'm going to try. Things aren't quite the same since they stopped sending in the aircraft carrier JFK or Kitty Hawk along with the rest of the ships from their battle groups.
They don't bring in the nuclear carriers because of the non-nukes politics, even those are the very ships that defend the nation against terrorists and the bad guys. It's asinine.
Fleet week is definitely special and it's great to see all the sailors in uniform getting the royal treatment throughout the city.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, May 19, 2009 7:26:51am |
re: #640 turn
I think I spent close to $400 last year on new glasses, new sunglasses and aneye exam. Then this year my compnay gave us vision benefits. I wish I had that benefit when I needed it!
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:27:25am |
re: #615 UFO TOFU
No kidding, scotch has legs (and no, the fact that it was a quart between me and my buddy had nothing to do with it).
I see I'm not alone with that experience, quite a few of us have had a run in with the stuff.
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 7:27:34am |
re: #640 turn Good grief! Turn I've always kept a spare pair of glasses around - do yourself a favor, get the two glasses special and get another clear lens prescription in really cheapo frames to keep around in case you bend, twist or break your first pair or - as used to happen to me - lose 'em and can't find 'em.............without your glasses!
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 19, 2009 7:28:15am |
re: #624 turn
Hey NJD, check out the lower video
[Link: southernfriedscience.com...]
Amazing. Never would've thought that small sharks would be prey to octopi.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:28:17am |
re: #654 lawhawk
They don't bring in the nuclear carriers because of the non-nukes politics
You have got to be shitting me.
Moron leftards.
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Kenneth Tue, May 19, 2009 7:28:19am |
Gee, do you ever wonder what Obama's ol' pals back in Chicago are up to?
They're organizing a "Peace Walk" for a Just Peace in Israel & Palestine
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, May 19, 2009 7:28:47am |
Good morning Lizards. Last night I booked my ticket to Israel for September! Spending the High Holidays in the Holy Land.
Mostly I will be up in the north visiting my daughter, but also want to spend a few days in Jerusalem.
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 7:28:47am |
re: #646 sattv4u2
I prefer a top shelf vodka, with orange juice and ice ,,,,,,,,,
except ,,,,, ,hold the ice ,,,,,,,,,,,,
and the OJ
Sounds like this song I have by the Clancy Brothers, they're singing "Jug of Punch" live
" A jug of punch is made with some good Irish whiskey, a glass and a spoon, some hot water...some cloves...."
"No you don't need the cloves"
"Don't really need the hot water either..."
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:28:56am |
So what's the skinny on When Bambi Met Bibi? I'm seeing somewhat conflicting reports.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, May 19, 2009 7:29:39am |
re: #660 Kenneth
Gee, do you ever wonder what Obama's ol' pals back in Chicago are up to?
They're organizing a "Peace Walk" for a Just Peace in Israel & Palestine
They're organizing a "Throw Israel Under the Bus" event
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, May 19, 2009 7:29:59am |
re: #625 lawhawk
My father has a friend/former coworker who wrote a novel about an attempted terrorist attack on Fleet Week.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:30:10am |
re: #660 Kenneth
Gee, do you ever wonder what Obama's ol' pals back in Chicago are up to?
They're organizing a "Peace Walk" for a Just Peace in Israel & Palestine
Gosh, I don't even need to click on the link, just let me guess... "Just Peace" means that Israel gives up enormous concessions and renders itself more vulnerable to attack, and the Palis on the other hand have zero obligations. Right?
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Kenneth Tue, May 19, 2009 7:30:36am |
re: #663 Occasional Reader
Netanyahu stands firm against demands from Obama
Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, in his first meeting with the US president, made it clear that while he welcomed Mr Obama's commitment to the region, he was more concerned about dealing with the threat of Iran than peace talks.
Mr Obama was unable to secure any commitments on ceasing the construction of Jewish settlements in the West Bank or embracing the "two-state solution" to achieving peace in the Middle East.
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jorline Tue, May 19, 2009 7:31:26am |
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Kenneth Tue, May 19, 2009 7:31:34am |
re: #667 Occasional Reader
You have to click the link, the poster has such adorable pictures of Billy Ayers and Jeremiah Wright!
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avanti Tue, May 19, 2009 7:33:50am |
Good morning all. Obama expands Bush program to find illegals, more heads explode on the left.
Illegals.
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 7:33:58am |
re: #667 Occasional Reader
Gosh, I don't even need to click on the link, just let me guess... "Just Peace" means that Israel gives up enormous concessions and renders itself more vulnerable to attack, and the Palis on the other hand have zero obligations. Right?
Palis sue for peace when they run out of ammo.
When they get more rockets and mortars, they break the cease-fire.
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irongrampa Tue, May 19, 2009 7:34:18am |
Good morning from the Adirondacks. Nice sunny day, after a COLD night-frost all over.
Very pleasant surprise yesterday, got kidnapped and forced to suffer through a surprise b'day party. All I'd intended was a day with as little work to do as possible. Must be aging, I can usually spot this stuff.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 19, 2009 7:35:57am |
Came across a very strange article out of Pakistan this morning. Someone over there has a serious case of Cheney Derangement Syndrome.
'US special squad killed Benazir'
Former prime minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto was assassinated on the orders of the special death squad formed by former US vice-president Dick Cheney, which had already killed the Lebanese Prime Minister Rafique Al Hariri and the army chief of that country.
The squad was headed by General Stanley McChrystal, the newly-appointed commander of US army in Afghanistan. It was disclosed by reputed US journalist Seymour Hersh while talking to an Arab TV in an interview.
Anyone know more about this Seymour Hersh? He sounds like a bona-fide moonbat. I mean, I've seen conspiracy theory crap in the past, but this takes the cupcake.
Maybe Hersh should meet with Alex Jones. They'd have such a great time together.
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ilzito guacamolito Tue, May 19, 2009 7:36:46am |
re: #431 MandyManners
This is the last day of school!
The Kid is lucky. We have to wait until June 11th.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, May 19, 2009 7:36:51am |
re: #668 Kenneth
Time mag saw it differently...
It was an odd choice for a gift. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu came to the White House carrying a book for President Barack Obama, an edition of the American humorist Mark Twain's travels to the Holy Land. Twain didn't like the place much; he wrote rudely about the Arabs and thought the Jews should not have their own nation. Was it a warning from Netanyahu, and if so, what was he saying? Not many laughs in the Middle East? It's not the place you think it is? Stay away?
Whatever the intent, Obama seemed unphased. In a press conference after the two leaders had met privately for about 90 minutes, the President emphasized that Israel must start taking the peace process seriously by putting a halt to the construction of Jewish settlements in the Palestinian territories, lifting the blockade on Gaza, and accepting the idea of a Palestinian state next door. Obama's no-nonsense words were a far cry from the easy ride that Israeli premiers got from the Bush Administration. As columnist Ben Caspit wrote in Israeli daily Ma'ariv, "There wasn't a single blister that Obama didn't step on, and it didn't seem to bother him."
So Obama is going to get things done by being tough on Israel because George Bush was soft and gave them an 'easy ride'.
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:37:31am |
re: #626 UFO TOFU
Bleh, the dwarf goat got out, search and rescue time. Later.
Funny story, The turnwife and I had a La Manchan goat we raised. Thelma was cutest darn thing, used to sleep in the basement with my three Great Danes. Ate pot too, but that's another story. At any rate when we got married we had our three week honeymoon in Hawaii and decided to find someone to take the goat off our hands. Over dinner at my fathers one night my uncled said he knew someone who would take the goat. We dropped Thelma off at a his friends small ranch of outside town the next day. I didn't run back into my uncle for another six months or so and when I did it was over dinner again at my dads. We were sitting around the table chatting after dinner and I asked my uncle how Thelma was doing. He happened to have a tooth pick in his mouth at the time and he just looked at me with a funny smile and kept picking his teeth. That's right they friggin ate Thelma. ha
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 7:37:42am |
re: #674 Honorary Yooper
Came across a very strange article out of Pakistan this morning. Someone over there has a serious case of Cheney Derangement Syndrome.
'US special squad killed Benazir'
Anyone know more about this Seymour Hersh? He sounds like a bona-fide moonbat. I mean, I've seen conspiracy theory crap in the past, but this takes the cupcake.Maybe Hersh should meet with Alex Jones. They'd have such a great time together.
Are you being sarcastic? Hersh is a well known (and well respected by the MSM) class A nut. I'm surprised you've never heard of him & his works before.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 19, 2009 7:37:46am |
re: #670 Kenneth
You have to click the link, the poster has such adorable pictures of Billy Ayers and Jeremiah Wright!
From the link
PROGRAM ,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,1:00 pm
WALK ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,2:30 pm
ADVOCACY/ BUFFETT,, 3:30 PM
(denouncing Israel ,,,, ALL DAY)
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 7:37:55am |
re: #668 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth! The money line: "Mr Obama was unable to secure any commitments on ceasing the construction of Jewish settlements in the West Bank or embracing the "two-state solution" to achieving peace in the Middle East."
Go Bibi!
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opnion Tue, May 19, 2009 7:37:59am |
re: #660 Kenneth
Gee, do you ever wonder what Obama's ol' pals back in Chicago are up to?
They're organizing a "Peace Walk" for a Just Peace in Israel & Palestine
In the Chicago area Oak Park is commonly referred to as 'The Peoples Republic of Oak park."
I would guess that there will be no criticism of Hamas.
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subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 7:38:10am |
Morning all! If we thought the big three auto makers were in trouble, it's just beginning:
Obama Auto Plan Links Auto Emissions and Mileage Standards
The sub-head of this article:
President Obama plans to propose the first-ever national emission limits for cars and trucks as well as average mileage requirements of 35.5 miles per gallon by 2016 -- all costing consumers an extra $1,300 per vehicle.
Basically, Obama is using California as the model, and we've all seen how effective California has been - economically.
The extra $1300 is basically a "tax" on all new automobiles. And we also know how effective raising taxes in a recession have proved to be.
This is madness. The fact is, people buy cars they WANT to buy. If the Obama administration's goal is to make sure there's nothing available but collision test rejects, the auto makers will be developing and producing products very few people will want to buy.
Example? Well, Toyota sells the Prius. However, they don't make any money on those. The profits come from products like the Tacoma and the Tundra. Without the profits from the two trucks, would Toyota voluntarily continue to make the Prius? Doubt it.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 19, 2009 7:38:28am |
re: #675 ilzito guacamolito
The Kid is lucky. We have to wait until June 11th.
Not really. My kids last day is this Friday,,, They STARTbeginning of August
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, May 19, 2009 7:38:47am |
re: #674 Honorary Yooper
Came across a very strange article out of Pakistan this morning. Someone over there has a serious case of Cheney Derangement Syndrome.
'US special squad killed Benazir'
Maybe Hersh should meet with Alex Jones. They'd have such a great time together.
He and Cynthia McKinney are two peas in a pod - a very crazy pod.
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Kenneth Tue, May 19, 2009 7:38:49am |
re: #674 Honorary Yooper
Seymour Hersh has been around for a long time. He's not only a leftist moonbat, but a fabricator and liar.
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 7:39:35am |
re: #669 jorline
Good morning jorline - who or what is Basel Tattoo?!
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justdanny Tue, May 19, 2009 7:39:54am |
re: #648 Honorary Yooper Wheres this blog youre taling about?
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:41:01am |
re: #655 Mad Al-Jaffee
It was going to be like $350 to replace the broken pair so that was a great deal for me. My company will reimburse up to $200 so that's cool.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 19, 2009 7:42:03am |
re: #678 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Are you being sarcastic? Hersh is a well known (and well respected by the MSM) class A nut. I'm surprised you've never heard of him & his works before.
No, I never looked deeply into him before. Looking at the Wiki on him, he's fucking nuts. Never knew he was involved in the My Lai stuff in Vietnam. Looks like he's hated the government for quite some time. Maybe he should get together with Ron Paul and Alex Jones?
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:42:47am |
re: #674 Honorary Yooper
Came across a very strange article out of Pakistan this morning. Someone over there has a serious case of Cheney Derangement Syndrome.
'US special squad killed Benazir'
Anyone know more about this Seymour Hersh? He sounds like a bona-fide moonbat. I mean, I've seen conspiracy theory crap in the past, but this takes the cupcake.
Maybe Hersh should meet with Alex Jones. They'd have such a great time together.
See upthread. Hersh now denies he said that.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 19, 2009 7:42:56am |
re: #686 realwest
Good morning jorline - who or what is Basel Tattoo?!
[Link: www.baseltattoo.ch...]
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 19, 2009 7:43:09am |
re: #668 Kenneth
good post .... here's the money quote from the article:
He said that if a peace deal delivered a "terror base next door" to Israel than it would be worthless, and insisted that Hamas, the militant group that controlled Gaza, had to recognise Israel before he was ready to make concessions.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 7:43:13am |
re: #682 subsailor68
Morning all! If we thought the big three auto makers were in trouble, it's just beginning:
Obama Auto Plan Links Auto Emissions and Mileage Standards
The sub-head of this article:
President Obama plans to propose the first-ever national emission limits for cars and trucks as well as average mileage requirements of 35.5 miles per gallon by 2016 -- all costing consumers an extra $1,300 per vehicle.
Problem -people aren't buying cars & US auto makers are going out of business. The Solution - charge more per car! It can't fail!
/obviously
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 7:43:41am |
re: #657 realwest
Been there, done that. I lost a pair of glasses in Savanna one time. Oh, another good thing about LensCrafters is they are nation wide. turnwife drove me to the nearest store and I had a new pair in less than an hour.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 19, 2009 7:43:47am |
re: #681 opnion
In the Chicago area Oak Park is commonly referred to as 'The Peoples Republic of Oak park."
I would guess that there will be no criticism of Hamas.
Criticism of Hamas in the PROP? They'd be more likely to throw stuff at any counter protesters, it's that nutty.
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Kenneth Tue, May 19, 2009 7:43:48am |
re: #676 NJDhockeyfan
So Obama is going to get things done by being tough on Israel because George Bush was soft and gave them an 'easy ride'.
Obama is throwing red meat to his leftist base when he scold the Jews. However, it did not accomplish much:
the two leaders had met privately for about 90 minutes, the President emphasized that Israel must start taking the peace process seriously by putting a halt to the construction of Jewish settlements in the Palestinian territories, lifting the blockade on Gaza, and accepting the idea of a Palestinian state next door.
The meeting was scheduled for 1 hour. The fact it went 30 minuted over indicates Obama was having a hard time getting Bibi to co-operate. When they came out to speak to the press it was Obama alone who mentioned settlements, the Gaza blockade and the 2-state solution. Bibi avoided mentioning any of those key terms.
Result: Bibi 1, Obama 0
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 7:44:09am |
re: #674 Honorary Yooper
Good morning HY - google him - he did some great journalistic work on Cambodia, Pol Pot and all and pretty much sold the South Vietnamese down the river. But he's a smart guy - too smart to believe that trash.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 7:44:30am |
re: #689 Honorary Yooper
No, I never looked deeply into him before. Looking at the Wiki on him, he's fucking nuts. Never knew he was involved in the My Lai stuff in Vietnam. Looks like he's hated the government for quite some time. Maybe he should get together with Ron Paul and Alex Jones?
No way! That would cause a singularity of idiocy & suck in all around them.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 19, 2009 7:44:46am |
re: #587 SixDegrees
Carrion is a meal of opportunity for them. They also hunt.
They're not picky eaters.
/unlike a lot of kids
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:44:54am |
re: #689 Honorary Yooper
No, I never looked deeply into him before. Looking at the Wiki on him, he's fucking nuts. Never knew he was involved in the My Lai stuff in Vietnam. Looks like he's hated the government for quite some time. Maybe he should get together with Ron Paul and Alex Jones?
He claims to have all sorts of super-duper secret contacts in the Special Operations community. The kind that told him, inter alia, back in November 2001, that the first contacts by Delta and other special operators with the fearsome Taliban warriors had left them (Delta) shaken and terrified and crying! So of course beating the fearsome Taliban was out of the question.
In short, he's a serial fabulist.
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justdanny Tue, May 19, 2009 7:45:50am |
re: #648 Honorary Yooper
Link or clue please to the site you discuss here?
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:46:03am |
re: #694 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Problem -people aren't buying cars & US auto makers are going out of business. The Solution - charge more per car and make sure the cars are all sluggish econoboxes! It can't fail!
/obviously
FIFY
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 7:46:07am |
re: #698 realwest
Good morning HY - google him - he did some great journalistic work on Cambodia, Pol Pot and all and pretty much sold the South Vietnamese down the river. But he's a smart guy - too smart to believe that trash.
No, he's not. He's been touting crazy conspiracies in respected publications for a long time, & never gets called on it.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 19, 2009 7:47:11am |
re: #691 Occasional Reader
See upthread. Hersh now denies he said that.
Thanks, saw it in #162. Either way, can we believe anything Hersh says after his history (which is in the Wiki I linked)?
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 7:47:22am |
re: #701 Occasional Reader
He claims to have all sorts of super-duper secret contacts in the Special Operations community. The kind that told him, inter alia, back in November 2001, that the first contacts by Delta and other special operators with the fearsome Taliban warriors had left them (Delta) shaken and terrified and crying! So of course beating the fearsome Taliban was out of the question.
In short, he's a serial fabulist.
Like the Queer Eye guys?
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avanti Tue, May 19, 2009 7:48:29am |
re: #682 subsailor68
Morning all! If we thought the big three auto makers were in trouble, it's just beginning:
Obama Auto Plan Links Auto Emissions and Mileage Standards
The sub-head of this article:
President Obama plans to propose the first-ever national emission limits for cars and trucks as well as average mileage requirements of 35.5 miles per gallon by 2016 -- all costing consumers an extra $1,300 per vehicle.
Basically, Obama is using California as the model, and we've all seen how effective California has been - economically.
The extra $1300 is basically a "tax" on all new automobiles. And we also know how effective raising taxes in a recession have proved to be.
This is madness. The fact is, people buy cars they WANT to buy. If the Obama administration's goal is to make sure there's nothing available but collision test rejects, the auto makers will be developing and producing products very few people will want to buy.
Example? Well, Toyota sells the Prius. However, they don't make any money on those. The profits come from products like the Tacoma and the Tundra. Without the profits from the two trucks, would Toyota voluntarily continue to make the Prius? Doubt it.
It's not a tax at all, it's the estimated added cost of complying with CAFE and emission standards on cars starting in 4-8 years. The average cost of a car should actually go down because they won't be building many expensive 4000-5000 pound SUV's.
It's also possible the cost will be less since we'll have on national standards, not a half dozen state standards. Sadly, it does mean the end of cars as toys, no more hemi's and the like, cars will be like toasters.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:48:42am |
re: #697 Kenneth
and the 2-state solution.
And again, I have to ask:
DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE A FRICKKIN' TWO-STATE SOLUTION?
(And that's not even counting Jordan)
The Palis were given a State by the Oslo Accords. They proceeded to smash it up, of course, but hey, they're Palis, that's how they roll. What exactly do people even MEAN any more when they continue to talk about a "two-state solution"?
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opnion Tue, May 19, 2009 7:49:03am |
re: #696 Honorary Yooper
Criticism of Hamas in the PROP? They'd be more likely to throw stuff at any counter protesters, it's that nutty.
Everyone has a Che beret & a Chia Obama.
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redstateredneck Tue, May 19, 2009 7:49:13am |
re: #649 Occasional Reader
I think that's an excellent tradition, and intend to implement it myself immediately.
We had the accent down pat.
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 7:49:27am |
re: #705 justdanny
Hey there {jusdanny} good to see you again! How are you doing?
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 19, 2009 7:49:34am |
re: #702 justdanny
Link or clue please to the site you discuss here?
Defending the Defensible Charles linked to it about a week and a half ago.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, May 19, 2009 7:50:06am |
re: #708 avanti
Sadly, it does mean the end of cars as toys, no more hemi's and the like, cars will be like toasters.
"Modern cars - they all look like electric shavers."
-Marv, Sin City
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Kenneth Tue, May 19, 2009 7:50:34am |
On some things Obama has not made as much change as previously advertised:
If you were beside yourself with anger as you watched George Bush trample on the Constitution over the last 8 years, then you are a relatively superficial thinker when it comes to politics. You don't think so? Then look at how Obama is behaving, and take it as an invitation to emote less and think more:
1. Rendition
2. Indefinite detention
3. Military tribunals
4. Warrantless wiretapping
5. Pakistan
6. Iraq
7. Afghanistan
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 7:50:34am |
re: #682 subsailor68
Morning all! If we thought the big three auto makers were in trouble, it's just beginning:
Obama Auto Plan Links Auto Emissions and Mileage Standards
The sub-head of this article:
President Obama plans to propose the first-ever national emission limits for cars and trucks as well as average mileage requirements of 35.5 miles per gallon by 2016 -- all costing consumers an extra $1,300 per vehicle.
Basically, Obama is using California as the model, and we've all seen how effective California has been - economically.
The extra $1300 is basically a "tax" on all new automobiles. And we also know how effective raising taxes in a recession have proved to be.
This is madness. The fact is, people buy cars they WANT to buy. If the Obama administration's goal is to make sure there's nothing available but collision test rejects, the auto makers will be developing and producing products very few people will want to buy.
Example? Well, Toyota sells the Prius. However, they don't make any money on those. The profits come from products like the Tacoma and the Tundra. Without the profits from the two trucks, would Toyota voluntarily continue to make the Prius? Doubt it.
Don't worry, when they are forced to drop the Tacoma and Tundra lines, you'll see prices for the Prius go up, and you'll see less sales of the supposed Prius because of it.
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subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 7:50:37am |
re: #694 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Problem -people aren't buying cars & US auto makers are going out of business. The Solution - charge more per car! It can't fail!
/obviously
Morning BDVM! Upding'd ya because I do believe you've hit on the philosophy of the administration (sarc tag notwithstanding).
Of course, these standards will also place a burden on the imports, and on the foreign companies (think Toyota and Nissan) building cars in this country.
I really don't understand an administration that a) pumps money into the auto companies, b) then forces at least two of them into bankruptcy, while c) screwing the investors and favoring the unions, and d) placing burdens on standards that will cause prices to be higher if and when the auto makers get back into the game.
Oh, wait, I do understand. This is an administration that will make the mistakes of Roosevelt during the Great Depression look like minor glitches.
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 7:51:58am |
re: #718 subsailor68
Morning BDVM! Upding'd ya because I do believe you've hit on the philosophy of the administration (sarc tag notwithstanding).
Of course, these standards will also place a burden on the imports, and on the foreign companies (think Toyota and Nissan) building cars in this country.
I really don't understand an administration that a) pumps money into the auto companies, b) then forces at least two of them into bankruptcy, while c) screwing the investors and favoring the unions, and d) placing burdens on standards that will cause prices to be higher if and when the auto makers get back into the game.
Oh, wait, I do understand. This is an administration that will make the mistakes of Roosevelt during the Great Depression look like minor glitches.
It makes sense when Obama doesn't understand economics, he only understands law.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 19, 2009 7:52:32am |
re: #674 Honorary Yooper
Came across a very strange article out of Pakistan this morning. Someone over there has a serious case of Cheney Derangement Syndrome.
'US special squad killed Benazir'
Anyone know more about this Seymour Hersh? He sounds like a bona-fide moonbat. I mean, I've seen conspiracy theory crap in the past, but this takes the cupcake.
Maybe Hersh should meet with Alex Jones. They'd have such a great time together.
I didn't see a byline (any mention of Sy Hersh), but he's the one who cooked up the "assassination squad" meme. The smear of McChrystal will only make his new job harder.
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 7:52:42am |
re: #714 Honorary Yooper
Seems as if that's the only "thread" or topic they've ever put up at that blog.
Strange, no?
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Kenneth Tue, May 19, 2009 7:52:43am |
re: #709 Occasional Reader
And again, I have to ask:
DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE A FRICKKIN' TWO-STATE SOLUTION?
(And that's not even counting Jordan)
The Palis were given a State by the Oslo Accords. They proceeded to smash it up, of course, but hey, they're Palis, that's how they roll. What exactly do people even MEAN any more when they continue to talk about a "two-state solution"?
The Palestinian Arabs were given a state by the UN in 1947. They and all the Arab League refused it.
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lawhawk Tue, May 19, 2009 7:53:47am |
re: #674 Honorary Yooper
Hersch is a moonbat extraordinaire. He's pushed all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories - particularly about the Bush administration for years.
He's also pushed all kinds of outlandish claims about the US military, which is par for the course, given that his big break was reporting on the My Lai massacre.
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justdanny Tue, May 19, 2009 7:53:52am |
re: #714 Honorary Yooper
Thank you. I just got internet back a few days ago. Its going to take me a while to get relizardized.
RW
Home sick today. I will never eat at Long John Silvers on Main in Lexington again. Never. Sick my once, shame on you. Sick me twice, shame on me. Sick my thrice!?! I erase you from my catalouge.
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Irish Rose Tue, May 19, 2009 7:54:05am |
Well folks, it's been pleasant as always.
I have the day off but I have a lot to do, so I'll bbl.
Please remember to check out my blog for links and info re: Blackfives' new project, The Warrior Legacy Foundation. I can't recommend it highly enough.
Have a good morning, all ;).
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lawhawk Tue, May 19, 2009 7:54:14am |
re: #720 Ward Cleaver
Hersh repeats the claims made in that Pakistani paper (The Nation).
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redstateredneck Tue, May 19, 2009 7:54:17am |
re: #722 Kenneth
The Palestinian Arabs were given a state by the UN in 1947. They and all the Arab League refused it.
That little detail gets left out, doesn't it?
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:54:28am |
re: #708 avanti
cars will be like toasters
And I wonder what else Barry & Co. will decide to "standardize" for our benefit.
Still happy with your voting decision?
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 7:54:34am |
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 7:54:57am |
re: #720 Ward Cleaver
I didn't see a byline (any mention of Sy Hersh), but he's the one who cooked up the "assassination squad" meme. The smear of McChrystal will only make his new job harder.
and wasn't that what he wanted to do? POS!
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 7:55:09am |
re: #722 Kenneth
The Palestinian Arabs were given a state by the UN in 1947. They and all the Arab League refused it.
They want a solution that doesn't allow a Jewish state.
Oh wait its too obvious to say, sorry.
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Irish Rose Tue, May 19, 2009 7:55:32am |
re: #721 realwest
Seems as if that's the only "thread" or topic they've ever put up at that blog.
Strange, no?
No shortage of material, that's for sure.
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lawhawk Tue, May 19, 2009 7:56:05am |
re: #722 Kenneth
The Palestinian Arabs were given a state by the UN in 1947. They and all the Arab League refused it.
Palestinians had a state - Transjordan, which wasn't enough. They wanted all of the Jewish state of Israel to cease to exist. King Hussein didn't want to give his territory (the West Bank - which was actually meant for the Palestinians) to the Palestinians, and refused to create a Palestinian state there from 1948 through 1967, when Israel captured it after Jordan attacked during the 6 Day War. Israel captured the West Bank, including Jerusalem in 3 days.
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realwest Tue, May 19, 2009 7:56:45am |
Well y'all gotta run - more chores and all to do - hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 7:57:06am |
re: #729 Occasional Reader
And I wonder what else Barry & Co. will decide to "standardize" for our benefit.
I see people walking around with all kinds of different shoes - that's pretty wasteful. From now on, we should all just have two pair of shoes: one pair of sneakers & one pair of dress shoes. And enough with all of these sizes - who really needs a 5E? Small, medium & large will be good enough. We all have to make sacrifices.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:57:20am |
re: #648 Honorary Yooper
letting them hang themselves by their own petards
Report to the Mixed Metaphor Police Enforcement Section immediately!
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subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 7:57:33am |
re: #708 avanti
It's not a tax at all, it's the estimated added cost of complying with CAFE and emission standards on cars starting in 4-8 years. The average cost of a car should actually go down because they won't be building many expensive 4000-5000 pound SUV's.
It's also possible the cost will be less since we'll have on national standards, not a half dozen state standards. Sadly, it does mean the end of cars as toys, no more hemi's and the like, cars will be like toasters.
Morning avanti! I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree. Government dictated increases in cost are, in reality, a tax on the product.
While I agree that the average cost of a car may go down if they stop building SUV's, it hardly matters if the cars that are left go unsold.
I think it was P.J. O'Rourke who said something like "GM loses money on every car, but they plan to make it up in volume."
And, while you're correct that 4-6 years does run us out to 2016, it impacts the auto makers much earlier:
For 2016 -- the final year new the rules will apply -- the fleet fuel efficiency standard for all domestically sold passenger cars will be 39 mpg. It will be 30 mpg for all domestically sold light trucks and sport utility vehicles. The average of these two equals a passenger car and light truck fuel efficiency standard of 35.5 mpg. The current requirements are 27.5 mpg for cars and 23.1 mpg or trucks. The tighter standards will first affect the 2011 model year for cars and trucks.
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 7:57:35am |
re: #730 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
He is the law, as far as he's concerned.
Don't forget Oliver Stone's movie: "Nixon"
"I'm saying when the President does it, its not illegal!"
He must be taking that lesson to heart.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:58:10am |
re: #736 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
From now on, we should all just have two pair of shoes: one pair of sneakers
Can they be $700 French designer sneakers, like Michelle's?
| 741 |
ilzito guacamolito Tue, May 19, 2009 7:58:24am |
re: #683 sattv4u2
Not really. My kids last day is this Friday,,, They STARTbeginning of August
I never understood why some school districts start school before Labor Day. I don't remember anyone having to go to school that early when I was a kid. Only as a freshman in college, maybe.
| 742 |
avanti Tue, May 19, 2009 7:58:35am |
re: #718 subsailor68
Oh, wait, I do understand. This is an administration that will make the mistakes of Roosevelt during the Great Depression look like minor glitches.
I'm looking at the big picture. In a few years, the US will be building the same sorts of cars the rest of the world drives and that should open up a world market for the big three and make us competitive. There may not be much of a market for 20 MPG Chevy's outside the US, but there would be for a 35 MPG one.
I'm sure the Saudi's are less then thrilled about the new standards. I'll admit, it's a bitter pill for me to swallow since I'm just the sort of guy to want the impractical 400 HP muscle car.
| 743 |
sleepyone Tue, May 19, 2009 7:58:38am |
Apologies if this has already been mentioned:
Missing Link
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 7:58:43am |
re: #734 lawhawk
Palestinians had a state - Transjordan, which wasn't enough. They wanted all of the Jewish state of Israel to cease to exist. King Hussein didn't want to give his territory (the West Bank - which was actually meant for the Palestinians) to the Palestinians, and refused to create a Palestinian state there from 1948 through 1967, when Israel captured it after Jordan attacked during the 6 Day War. Israel captured the West Bank, including Jerusalem in 3 days.
Most people forget that fact. Israel never intended to occupy the West Bank in 1967, but after Jordan attacked, they kinda had to.
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irongrampa Tue, May 19, 2009 7:59:13am |
Wait until some idiot decides that it's a good idea to penalize those who drive older cars ( 5-8 years old) because they don't meet the standards--an expansion of the gas-guzzler tax,iow.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 7:59:22am |
re: #738 subsailor68
The tighter standards will first affect the 2011 model year for cars and trucks.
I have to say, that DOES "stimulate" me to buy a new car in the next year or so, so that I can get one that isn't a hamster-powered piece of crap.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 8:00:04am |
re: #739 Hengineer
Don't forget Oliver Stone's movie: "Nixon"
"I'm saying when the President does it, its not illegal!"
He must be taking that lesson to heart.
Or the Stallone masterpiece Judge Dredd: "IAMDALAW!"
| 748 |
Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 8:00:52am |
re: #734 lawhawk
Palestinians had a state - Transjordan
That explains why the men always seem to be wearing dresses.
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Kenneth Tue, May 19, 2009 8:00:53am |
re: #720 Ward Cleaver
The article was from a Pakistani "news" source. Hersh denied making the comment he was quotes as saying in the article. My guess is this was a propaganda pice from the Pakistani ISI aimed at undermining the US strategy in Pakistan & Afghanistan. That's why they added McChrystal to the conspiracy.
Oh, and by claiming Ariel Sharon was in on the assassination plot against Benazir Bhutto, the Islamists have really tipped their hand. Sharon was in a coma at the time of Bhutto's death. But what's a conspiracy without Jooos?
Sharon: ...after suffering a stroke on 4 January 2006, when he fell into a coma and entered a persistent vegetative state.
Bhutto: She was assassinated on 27 December 2007, after departing a PPP rally in the Pakistani city of Rawalpindi, two weeks before the scheduled Pakistani general election of 2008 where she was a leading opposition candidate.
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avanti Tue, May 19, 2009 8:01:32am |
re: #729 Occasional Reader
And I wonder what else Barry & Co. will decide to "standardize" for our benefit.
Still happy with your voting decision?
Yes I am. As much as I might like to the 400 HP muscle cars, I want to kick the imported oil habit more.
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jorline Tue, May 19, 2009 8:01:38am |
re: #692 sattv4u2
[Link: www.baseltattoo.ch...]
Thanks for the linky...I was away. Did you see the video at #669?
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 19, 2009 8:02:00am |
For all of you New Yorkers, a way cool picture by the photographer Samuel H. Gottscho, taken from the Empire State Building on September 11, 1933.
| 753 |
Irish Rose Tue, May 19, 2009 8:02:03am |
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rightside Tue, May 19, 2009 8:02:09am |
re: #738 subsailor68
Please, don't confuse him with facts. Let him shill for obama and be done with it.
Don't be fooled for a second that many of our taxes will be raised in the future. This is but the first small step. I do not want my taxes raised, but people like avanti voted for him anyway, essentially forcing us to have our taxes raised. When asked if he actually believes in what he voted for, he was asked to amend his tax returns and pay more in taxes. Of course, every time I confront him about that, he says, what do taxes have to do with this?
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 8:02:24am |
re: #742 avanti
In a few years, the US will be building the same sorts of cars the rest of the world drives and that should open up a world market for the big three and make us competitive.
And you really believe that Federal government diktats are what make U.S. industries competitive?
| 756 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:02:31am |
re: #741 ilzito guacamolito
I never understood why some school districts start school before Labor Day. I don't remember anyone having to go to school that early when I was a kid. Only as a freshman in college, maybe.
re: #751 jorline
Thanks for the linky...I was away. Did you see the video at #669?
Goes back to when this area (the south and mid-west) was mostly farmland. Kids had to be out of school in the spring to help with planting and farming
| 757 |
wrenchwench Tue, May 19, 2009 8:02:33am |
re: #673 irongrampa
Good morning from the Adirondacks. Nice sunny day, after a COLD night-frost all over.
Very pleasant surprise yesterday, got kidnapped and forced to suffer through a surprise b'day party. All I'd intended was a day with as little work to do as possible. Must be aging, I can usually spot this stuff.
Happy Birthday grampa!
| 758 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:02:51am |
re: #751 jorline
Thanks for the linky...I was away. Did you see the video at #669?
yup ,,, great stuff
| 759 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 19, 2009 8:03:04am |
re: #750 avanti
Yes I am. As much as I might like to the 400 HP muscle cars, I want to kick the imported oil habit more.
We could drill our own & you could buy a car you'd like to drive.
| 760 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 8:03:09am |
re: #750 avanti
Yes I am. As much as I might like to the 400 HP muscle cars, I want to kick the imported oil habit more.
you are simply afraid of oil like all moonbat libs....energy scares the shit out of you guys
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 8:03:28am |
re: #750 avanti
Yes I am. As much as I might like to the 400 HP muscle cars, I want to kick the imported oil habit more.
Kind of sucks, though, that Obama has promised to curtail domestic oil production... doesn't it?
And by the way, guess who the lowest-cost oil producers are?
| 762 |
Kenneth Tue, May 19, 2009 8:03:43am |
re: #728 redstateredneck
That little detail gets left out, doesn't it?
That, and the fact that no Muslim ruler ever thought it necessary to create a "Palestinian" state in the 1310 years from the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem to the UN declaration.
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Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 8:03:50am |
re: #708 avanti
It's not a tax at all, it's the estimated added cost of complying with CAFE and emission standards on cars starting in 4-8 years. The average cost of a car should actually go down because they won't be building many expensive 4000-5000 pound SUV's.
It's also possible the cost will be less since we'll have on national standards, not a half dozen state standards. Sadly, it does mean the end of cars as toys, no more hemi's and the like, cars will be like toasters.
The average cost for overall vehicles maybe, but since the automakers make a really good profit on their SUV's and "Sport" Trucks, the average cost for the small to midsized CAR will probably go up to make up for the lost profit. Expect the supply of many of these vehicles to be choked anyway forcing prices to go up as well (unless the Government puts price caps on cars, which I'm almost forseeing in the future as they claim "affordability").
As a side effect, maybe everyone will finally get what my home state has been tasting (California)
| 764 |
Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 8:04:29am |
I can't wait to drive my 2013 wind-powered Fiat/Chrysler K-car "Spyder".
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subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:05:30am |
re: #742 avanti
I'm looking at the big picture. In a few years, the US will be building the same sorts of cars the rest of the world drives and that should open up a world market for the big three and make us competitive. There may not be much of a market for 20 MPG Chevy's outside the US, but there would be for a 35 MPG one.
I'm sure the Saudi's are less then thrilled about the new standards. I'll admit, it's a bitter pill for me to swallow since I'm just the sort of guy to want the impractical 400 HP muscle car.
I don't have a problem with the idea of moving in a particular direction - if the market dictates it, not government. The Trabant was a government produced product.
BTW, I own a Cadillac CTS, and if I keep to around 70 mph or so, I can get a little under 30 miles per gallon (not in the city of course). (It's a six, with that shut down cylinders not needed thingee.) That car was produced and sold extremely well - because people wanted them.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 19, 2009 8:05:53am |
Sweet jebus... it's a beautiful day, and I'm on vacation in South America, why the heck am I pecking away at a keyboard?!
Later.
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Kenneth Tue, May 19, 2009 8:06:12am |
re: #761 Occasional Reader
Oh, oh, I know, I know! (waving arm from the back row...)
The Saudi Oil Ticks?
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rightside Tue, May 19, 2009 8:08:05am |
re: #767 Kenneth
If I'm not mistaken, we import the most oil from Canada, no?
| 770 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 8:08:31am |
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lawhawk Tue, May 19, 2009 8:08:43am |
re: #717 Hengineer
The 2009 Toyota Corolla XLE gets 30mpg mixed driving and costs $17,650. Annual fuel costs 840.00 ($2.10 per gallon)
The 2009 Toyota Prius base gets 46mpg and costs $23,375. Annual fuel costs for 12,000 miles: 547.83 ($2.10 per gallon)
Trading in a midsize sedan for a hybrid isn't going to be worth it. It's only worth it when you trade in a gas guzzler for a hybrid. The cost savings just isn't worth it.
You save only $292.17 per year by going with the Prius over the Corolla. Given the cost differential, it would take... 19 years to get back the price differential of $5,725.
That amount gets shorter the higher the gas prices go.
The issue is that it doesn't make sense for most people to go to a hybrid like the Prius when people want larger cars. Switching from a standard SUV to a Hybrid SUV does make sense, since the gas savings will be considerable.
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DistantThunder Tue, May 19, 2009 8:08:56am |
Please take time to read the following story about Saddam's Torture Chamber which saw the torture of children to get their mothers to talk.....
All of this is cold historical fact. There is nothing cold about the faces one sees on the walls of the Red Museum, where from 1979 until the uprising in 1991, Saddam tortured and killed in pursuit of the Kurdish rebels. Though Saddam usually buried his victims in mass graves as far as possible from where they lived, he had no scruples about compiling a photographic record of the killing. The first photo one sees freezes the blood. It looks like a picture in a college yearbook: a class of 13 young men, perhaps a debating or a Latin club, except for the anxiety evident in their eyes. The legend informs that it was taken in the prison in 1986 and that all but one of these young men were tortured and executed. Then photo after photo shows a bloody body crumpled at the foot of the stake to which the victim was tied to be shot. In one photo, two Baathist security men, grinning widely beneath their mustaches, hold up a headless corpse, their free hands raised in the victory salute. Next comes a picture of three women—child, mother, and grandmother—with faces frozen in fear just before their execution for suspected connection with rebels in the mountains. Numerous images record the last minutes in the lives of such women and children.
No mention of the dreaded caterpillar torture
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Kenneth Tue, May 19, 2009 8:09:07am |
Obama's Gitmo-to-Virginia Uyghur Plan Hits A Wall
Appearing on ABC's "This Week," Sen. Jim Webb said "the answer is no" to the proposal that the former enemy combatants - ethnic Turks from China called Uyghurs - will live in Fairfax, Va.
Reality bites.
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dingleB Tue, May 19, 2009 8:09:21am |
re: #708 avanti
It's an indirect tax...that is levied on goods or services rather than individuals and is ultimately paid by consumers in the form of higher prices.
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ilzito guacamolito Tue, May 19, 2009 8:10:18am |
re: #708 avanti
It's not a tax at all, it's the estimated added cost of complying with CAFE and emission standards on cars starting in 4-8 years. The average cost of a car should actually go down because they won't be building many expensive 4000-5000 pound SUV's.
It's also possible the cost will be less since we'll have on national standards, not a half dozen state standards. Sadly, it does mean the end of cars as toys, no more hemi's and the like, cars will be like toasters.
CAFE standards ↑ = vehicle safety ↓
| 776 |
rightside Tue, May 19, 2009 8:10:20am |
re: #770 albusteve
Although apparently not the cheapest?
Drill here, drill now. I'm all for never buying another drop from the middle east.
| 777 |
irongrampa Tue, May 19, 2009 8:10:56am |
I get a kick out of this--we have a Toyota Camry that regularly averages 36mpg ( being a mechanic, I maintain it meticulously) for our prime ride. I also have a 22 year old SUV that gets 16mpg, and for the kicker, a toy that is lucky to achieve 12mpg. It's a true muscle car. These vehicles will continue to be drivesn, don't care squat about the whining.
I'll let everyone else pay for it, think of this as my version of carbon credits.
| 778 |
avanti Tue, May 19, 2009 8:11:20am |
re: #738 subsailor68
Morning avanti! I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree. Government dictated increases in cost are, in reality, a tax on the product.
While I agree that the average cost of a car may go down if they stop building SUV's, it hardly matters if the cars that are left go unsold.
I think it was P.J. O'Rourke who said something like "GM loses money on every car, but they plan to make it up in volume."
And, while you're correct that 4-6 years does run us out to 2016, it impacts the auto makers much earlier:
For 2016 -- the final year new the rules will apply -- the fleet fuel efficiency standard for all domestically sold passenger cars will be 39 mpg. It will be 30 mpg for all domestically sold light trucks and sport utility vehicles. The average of these two equals a passenger car and light truck fuel efficiency standard of 35.5 mpg. The current requirements are 27.5 mpg for cars and 23.1 mpg or trucks. The tighter standards will first affect the 2011 model year for cars and trucks.
Not really disagreeing, just semantics. I see you point that government safety, emission and CAFE standard add to the cost just as a tax would, the word tax is just one of those overused buzz words IMHO.
You may recall when emission standards were first imposed, Detroit claimed they might be impossible to meet, expensive and kill performance and economy. As it turned out, the resulting computer controls helped both economy and performance. It may well turn out the same way this time, but I share some of your concerns. The fact that the entire world will be working on the issue, should help resolve some of our concerns.
| 779 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:12:24am |
re: #771 lawhawk
Morning lawhawk! Thanks for that post! As I noted above, my Cadillac CTS gets a little under 30 mpg on the highway (where I do most of my driving)...which means I was able to avoid the fate of dealing with 16-wheelers in a Corolla!
;-)
| 780 |
DistantThunder Tue, May 19, 2009 8:13:20am |
re: #773 Kenneth
Obama's Gitmo-to-Virginia Uyghur Plan Hits A Wall
Reality bites.
Obama to Webb: "Don't you know who I am? Rahm, tell him."
| 781 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 8:14:37am |
re: #778 avanti
Not really disagreeing, just semantics. I see you point that government safety, emission and CAFE standard add to the cost just as a tax would, the word tax is just one of those overused buzz words IMHO.
You may recall when emission standards were first imposed, Detroit claimed they might be impossible to meet, expensive and kill performance and economy. As it turned out, the resulting computer controls helped both economy and performance. It may well turn out the same way this time, but I share some of your concerns. The fact that the entire world will be working on the issue, should help resolve some of our concerns.
gonna redefine 'tax' now?....how many letters or words will it take?....what would you rather call it?
| 782 |
lawhawk Tue, May 19, 2009 8:14:42am |
Drudge is posting this as his banner headline right now - the Missing Link has been found.
The search for a direct connection between humans and the rest of the animal kingdom has taken 200 years - but it was presented to the world today at a special news conference in New York.The discovery of the 95%-complete 'lemur monkey' - dubbed Ida - is described by experts as the "eighth wonder of the world".
They say its impact on the world of palaeontology will be "somewhat like an asteroid falling down to Earth".
Researchers say proof of this transitional species finally confirms Charles Darwin's theory of evolution, and the then radical, outlandish ideas he came up with during his time aboard the Beagle.
Sir David Attenborough said Darwin "would have been thrilled" to have seen the fossil - and says it tells us who we are and where we came from.
Heads exploding in 3...2...1....
| 783 |
Hengineer Tue, May 19, 2009 8:14:51am |
re: #774 dingleB
It's an indirect tax...that is levied on goods or services rather than individuals and is ultimately paid by consumers in the form of higher prices.
It depends on how elastic the good is. If the good is VERY elastic, for example an item that a customer doesn't really need or can go immediately elsewhere for, then no, the seller often has to eat some amount of taxes. But if its an inelastic good (for example, gasoline is somehwere inbetween but it leans more towards inelastic), then the seller can afford to pass the tax on to the consumer without losing much business.
| 784 |
avanti Tue, May 19, 2009 8:15:09am |
re: #759 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
We could drill our own & you could buy a car you'd like to drive.
Oil is a finite resource, drill baby drill is a nice slogan, but the revised CAFE standards will save more oil then we could drill for. Besides, I'll still be driving my 40 year old Supercharged Studebakers when I have the need for speed.
| 785 |
saberry0530 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:16:08am |
re: #708 avanti
It's not a tax at all, it's the estimated added cost of complying with CAFE and emission standards on cars starting in 4-8 years. The average cost of a car should actually go down because they won't be building many expensive 4000-5000 pound SUV's.
It's also possible the cost will be less since we'll have on national standards, not a half dozen state standards. Sadly, it does mean the end of cars as toys, no more hemi's and the like, cars will be like toasters.
Morning avanti! I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree. Government dictated increases in cost are, in reality, a tax on the product.
While I agree that the average cost of a car may go down if they stop building SUV's, it hardly matters if the cars that are left go unsold.
I think it was P.J. O'Rourke who said something like "GM loses money on every car, but they plan to make it up in volume."
And, while you're correct that 4-6 years does run us out to 2016, it impacts the auto makers much earlier:
For 2016 -- the final year new the rules will apply -- the fleet fuel efficiency standard for all domestically sold passenger cars will be 39 mpg. It will be 30 mpg for all domestically sold light trucks and sport utility vehicles. The average of these two equals a passenger car and light truck fuel efficiency standard of 35.5 mpg. The current requirements are 27.5 mpg for cars and 23.1 mpg or trucks. The tighter standards will first affect the 2011 model year for cars and trucks.
Sorry you are wrong. IF they stop making SUV, the cost of the cars will go UP, WAY UP! GM made more money on SUV and trucks than anything else and that is what kept many car lines afloat. Once the SUV/Truck lines decrease or disappear, the price has no where to go but up.
| 786 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, May 19, 2009 8:16:51am |
re: #782 lawhawk
May make a good thread today. Some of the meltdowns on it would be spectacular.
| 787 |
DistantThunder Tue, May 19, 2009 8:17:02am |
re: #781 albusteve
gonna redefine 'tax' now?....how many letters or words will it take?....what would you rather call it?
Wow -more proof that liberals live in an alternate reality. Ok, I'll play: How about tax= love bite? Your turn.
| 788 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 8:17:48am |
re: #784 avanti
Oil is a finite resource, drill baby drill is a nice slogan, but the revised CAFE standards will save more oil then we could drill for. Besides, I'll still be driving my 40 year old Supercharged Studebakers when I have the need for speed.
can you prove this?....where are the numbers? or a legitimate study?....there is one hell of alot of oil laying around
| 789 |
ilzito guacamolito Tue, May 19, 2009 8:18:09am |
re: #782 lawhawk
Drudge is posting this as his banner headline right now - the Missing Link has been found.
Heads exploding in 3...2...1....
Scientists have unveiled a 47-million-year-old fossilised skeleton of a monkey hailed as the missing link in human evolution.
That's GOT to be a typo. The Earth isn't that old.
/
| 790 |
DistantThunder Tue, May 19, 2009 8:19:23am |
I'm watching E TV "Husband's Who Kill." I'd like to see a show called "Liberals Who Kill Businesses." It could go for years with so much material.
| 791 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 8:19:47am |
re: #787 DistantThunder
Wow -more proof that liberals live in an alternate reality. Ok, I'll play: How about tax= love bite? Your turn.
unwanted anal sex
| 792 |
irongrampa Tue, May 19, 2009 8:20:01am |
re: #788 albusteve
Avanti's statement qualifies as an assfact, and we both know it.
| 793 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:20:18am |
re: #785 saberry0530
Sorry you are wrong. IF they stop making SUV, the cost of the cars will go UP, WAY UP! GM made more money on SUV and trucks than anything else and that is what kept many car lines afloat. Once the SUV/Truck lines decrease or disappear, the price has no where to go but up.
Morning saberry! Hm, interesting point! I need to think about that, as you may be right. Supposing that the "average" cost per car may go down, if fewer are sold, the price per unit would have to go up to cover the costs overall.
However, the manufacturer could, I suppose, decide to build fewer units, but then the cost per unit would be higher.
My head hurtee.
;-)
| 794 |
avanti Tue, May 19, 2009 8:22:05am |
re: #781 albusteve
gonna redefine 'tax' now?....how many letters or words will it take?....what would you rather call it?
A tax to me, is money paid to the government for financing public expenses. It is not part of the increased cost of adding air bags or seat belts for example.
| 795 |
DistantThunder Tue, May 19, 2009 8:22:49am |
re: #793 subsailor68
Sorry you are wrong. IF they stop making SUV, the cost of the cars will go UP, WAY UP! GM made more money on SUV and trucks than anything else and that is what kept many car lines afloat. Once the SUV/Truck lines decrease or disappear, the price has no where to go but up.
Morning saberry! Hm, interesting point! I need to think about that, as you may be right. Supposing that the "average" cost per car may go down, if fewer are sold, the price per unit would have to go up to cover the costs overall.
However, the manufacturer could, I suppose, decide to build fewer units, but then the cost per unit would be higher.
My head hurtee.
;-)
Factor in all the customers who will boycott GM and Chrysler because they do not want to get into bed with Rattner and Obama. Eww......
| 796 |
justdanny Tue, May 19, 2009 8:23:15am |
Internal combustion engines should have gone away long ago. Solar wind hydro power should have been common long ago.
To me it isnt a lefty or righty issue. Its a health and economics issue. We only need these internal combustion stink machines today because we arent smart enough to have chosen a better way years ago.
| 797 |
UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 8:23:42am |
| 798 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:23:57am |
re: #788 albusteve
can you prove this?....where are the numbers? or a legitimate study?....there is one hell of alot of oil laying around
Morning albusteve! Yep. Thomas Sowell in his updated version of "Basic Economics" (2007) makes the point that, in most cases, the current percentage of oil pumped from existing pools is about 35 percent. He notes that this is the amount that is presently cost-effective to remove. That means that about 65 percent is still there, and will be removed when it becomes economically feasible to do so.
| 799 |
Liberal Classic Tue, May 19, 2009 8:24:37am |
A somewhat interesting article from the NYT this morning:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Credit Card Industry Aims to Profit From Sterling Payers
Credit cards have long been a very good deal for people who pay their bills on time and in full. Even as card companies imposed punitive fees and penalties on those late with their payments, the best customers racked up cash-back rewards, frequent-flier miles and other perks in recent years.
Now Congress is moving to limit the penalties on riskier borrowers, who have become a prime source of billions of dollars in fee revenue for the industry. And to make up for lost income, the card companies are going after those people with sterling credit.
...
“It will be a different business,” said Edward L. Yingling, the chief executive of the American Bankers Association, which has been lobbying Congress for more lenient legislation on behalf of the nation’s biggest banks. “Those that manage their credit well will in some degree subsidize those that have credit problems.”
In my opinion, this expresses the economic philosophy of the Democrats. Their position on businesses and individuals seem to center around punishing responsible behavior and rewarding irresponsible behavior.
| 800 |
dingleB Tue, May 19, 2009 8:24:39am |
re: #783 Hengineer
Ok, Let's construct some indifference curve assumptions.
Transportation:
1.) Assume you have to move, you just can't sit in your mother's basement playing Wii.
2.) Assume the consumer has some level of intelligence and free will.
Then we have walking, riding a horse or bicycle, scooter, auto, public transportation.
Are we an urban dweller, is it cold outside, etc,etc?
I'll go out an limb and say that the slope of the demand curve for automobile transportation is closer to zero that infinity.
| 801 |
redstateredneck Tue, May 19, 2009 8:25:01am |
re: #797 UFO TOFU
Man, that's cold.
I was hoping you wouldn't see that. Did you find the whack goat?
| 802 |
UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 8:25:46am |
re: #755 Occasional Reader
And you really believe that Federal government diktats are what make U.S. industries competitive?
Man, I wish I could ding that up several times.
| 803 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 8:26:19am |
re: #794 avanti
A tax to me, is money paid to the government for financing public expenses. It is not part of the increased cost of adding air bags or seat belts for example.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
impose a financial charge...by a state
| 804 |
DistantThunder Tue, May 19, 2009 8:27:17am |
When government requires the increase in price of a company to do business via more restrictive regulation - the company cannot necessarily pass the increase on to the customer, because it is the market that sets the price. Instead the company reduces variable costs which is almost always human resources.
So it will essentially mean more job losses, and greater burden on the public sector. It is a lose-lose arrangement - a favorite of Obama's.
| 805 |
UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 8:27:31am |
re: #801 redstateredneck
Yes I did. He's about as large as a big cat, so he just walks right through the wrought iron fence. I guess I'll be picking up some hardware cloth after work.
| 806 |
avanti Tue, May 19, 2009 8:28:46am |
re: #787 DistantThunder
Wow -more proof that liberals live in an alternate reality. Ok, I'll play: How about tax= love bite? Your turn.
OK, you define tax as any added expense to comply with a government regulation, but that definition does not exist in the real world. For example, I had to spend 10 to add sprinklers to my store, but it was not a "tax" I bought and paid for a product and labor to install it.
If it costs $1000 for a improved, more fuel efficient engine, that is not a tax, since I am not giving the money to the government, I'm buying a better engine.
| 807 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 8:29:30am |
re: #798 subsailor68
Morning albusteve! Yep. Thomas Sowell in his updated version of "Basic Economics" (2007) makes the point that, in most cases, the current percentage of oil pumped from existing pools is about 35 percent. He notes that this is the amount that is presently cost-effective to remove. That means that about 65 percent is still there, and will be removed when it becomes economically feasible to do so.
Oil is a finite resource, drill baby drill is a nice slogan, but the revised CAFE standards will save more oil then we could drill for
| 808 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:29:34am |
re: #803 albusteve
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
impose a financial charge...by a state
Yes! avanti in an earlier post decried the overuse of the term "tax", and I can't agree with that. If anything, it is an underused term. I say that, because governments (federal, state, and local) intentionally call certain imposed costs "fees" (think auto registration, driver's license renewal).
Fees are taxes.
| 809 |
UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 8:29:52am |
re: #804 DistantThunder
Really. For an excellent example google SCAQMD Clean Fleet rules.
| 810 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, May 19, 2009 8:30:17am |
re: #796 justdanny
Internal combustion engines should have gone away long ago. Solar wind hydro power should have been common long ago.
To me it isnt a lefty or righty issue. Its a health and economics issue. We only need these internal combustion stink machines today because we arent smart enough to have chosen a better way years ago.
No, we have them because we get the biggest energy bang for our buck with them currently. Name a better system for vehicle propulsion?
Solar? Solar craps out when the sun isn't out.
Batteries? Been there, tried that. They have a limited range and need a long enough time to recharge. People have tried to make really viable electric cars for well over a century now.
Hydro? What does this have to do with vehicles? Nothing.
Hydrogen? Costs a lot to make for something with less energy than oil.
Compressed natural gas? Nice idea, and possibly viable, but less energy for what we get with oil.
Biofuels? Likewise as CNG, almost as good as oil, but eats into our food stocks.
Nuclear? Don't wanna touch this one with a 15 mile long pole.
Steam? Once very popular for vehicle propulsion, it went out of vogue in the 1910s.
Fuel Cells? See hydrogen.
Name a better system for the biggest bang for the energy buck than the Otto Cycle internal combustion engine right now. I dare you.
| 811 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 8:30:49am |
re: #804 DistantThunder
When government requires the increase in price of a company to do business via more restrictive regulation - the company cannot necessarily pass the increase on to the customer, because it is the market that sets the price. Instead the company reduces variable costs which is almost always human resources.
So it will essentially mean more job losses, and greater burden on the public sector. It is a lose-lose arrangement - a favorite of Obama's.
thus creating a greater TAX burden on the employed
| 812 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, May 19, 2009 8:30:50am |
Uh oh.
Questions Raised Over Steele's Hiring of Friends
When Michael S. Steele took over as chairman of the Republican National Committee earlier this year, he brought along longtime personal assistant Belinda Cook and gave her a salary nearly three times what her predecessor made.
Mrs. Cook's son, Lee, also landed an RNC job.
Mr. Steele hired another family friend, Angela Sailor, to be the party's outreach director at a salary of $180,000, more than double her predecessor's compensation, though new responsibilities have been added to the job, according to a high-ranking RNC official and Federal Election Commission (FEC) filings.
Mr. Steele's early record and personnel decisions figure to be hot topics at a special meeting of Republican state party chairmen Tuesday and Wednesday at National Harbor in Washington's Maryland suburbs. His hiring of friends and the salaries he is paying them already helped to instigate a struggle over who controls the party's purse strings, one that forced the new party chairman to relinquish some control to elected RNC members...
| 813 |
Kenneth Tue, May 19, 2009 8:30:54am |
How Obama is raising taxes. All taxes:
1. Increase in income taxes: check
2. Increase in sales taxes: check
3. Increase in corporate taxes (passed on to consumer in higher prices & lower competitiveness) : check
4. Inflation -a stealth tax on savings: coming soon.
| 814 |
redstateredneck Tue, May 19, 2009 8:31:33am |
re: #805 UFO TOFU
Yes I did. He's about as large as a big cat, so he just walks right through the wrought iron fence. I guess I'll be picking up some hardware cloth after work.
I want to see his picture.
| 815 |
Liberal Classic Tue, May 19, 2009 8:31:44am |
re: #778 avanti
Not really disagreeing, just semantics. I see you point that government safety, emission and CAFE standard add to the cost just as a tax would, the word tax is just one of those overused buzz words IMHO.
You may recall when emission standards were first imposed, Detroit claimed they might be impossible to meet, expensive and kill performance and economy. As it turned out, the resulting computer controls helped both economy and performance. It may well turn out the same way this time, but I share some of your concerns. The fact that the entire world will be working on the issue, should help resolve some of our concerns.
With all due respect, avanti, an "unfunded mandate" is in effect a hidden tax. The automobile companies must comply with the law, and will have no choice but to pass this added cost on to customers. One of the reasons Detroit is in the condition it is now in, is because of the amount of regulation on the industry. The regulatory environment in which the companies operate adds to their operating expenses, adds to the cost of vehicles, and raises the entry cost to enter the market.
| 816 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, May 19, 2009 8:32:07am |
re: #813 Kenneth
How Obama is raising taxes. All taxes:
The term "wage-price spiral" will reenter the lexicon.
| 817 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:32:40am |
memo: if you live in Los Angeles, please vote Trutanich for City Attorney....
he's the Anti-Weiss. %-)
| 818 |
redstateredneck Tue, May 19, 2009 8:33:06am |
re: #808 subsailor68
Yes! avanti in an earlier post decried the overuse of the term "tax", and I can't agree with that. If anything, it is an underused term. I say that, because governments (federal, state, and local) intentionally call certain imposed costs "fees" (think auto registration, driver's license renewal).
Fees are taxes.
Unemployment tax is called "contribution". My ass.
| 819 |
DistantThunder Tue, May 19, 2009 8:33:40am |
re: #806 avanti
OK, you define tax as any added expense to comply with a government regulation, but that definition does not exist in the real world. For example, I had to spend 10 to add sprinklers to my store, but it was not a "tax" I bought and paid for a product and labor to install it.
If it costs $1000 for a improved, more fuel efficient engine, that is not a tax, since I am not giving the money to the government, I'm buying a better engine.
It's not market driven. So if the free market doesn't support it, and enough people don't buy it at the higher cost to make it profitable - then it is a wasted effort. Imagine if the state came in and said that you had to put in $300,000 worth of sprinklers?
| 820 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 8:34:14am |
re: #810 Honorary Yooper
No, we have them because we get the biggest energy bang for our buck with them currently. Name a better system for vehicle propulsion?
Solar? Solar craps out when the sun isn't out.
Batteries? Been there, tried that. They have a limited range and need a long enough time to recharge. People have tried to make really viable electric cars for well over a century now.
Hydro? What does this have to do with vehicles? Nothing.
Hydrogen? Costs a lot to make for something with less energy than oil.
Compressed natural gas? Nice idea, and possibly viable, but less energy for what we get with oil.
Biofuels? Likewise as CNG, almost as good as oil, but eats into our food stocks.
Nuclear? Don't wanna touch this one with a 15 mile long pole.
Steam? Once very popular for vehicle propulsion, it went out of vogue in the 1910s.
Fuel Cells? See hydrogen.
Name a better system for the biggest bang for the energy buck than the Otto Cycle internal combustion engine right now. I dare you.
electric cars should be an option by now, and many people would own one if they could...there is not enough cheap electricity to power them...why?
| 821 |
UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 8:34:26am |
re: #814 redstateredneck
I'll see what I can do. It's hysterical when head-butts Whack dog.
| 822 |
redstateredneck Tue, May 19, 2009 8:35:12am |
re: #821 UFO TOFU
I'll see what I can do. It's hysterical when head-butts Whack dog.
Sounds like youtube material!
| 823 |
Russkilitlover Tue, May 19, 2009 8:35:48am |
re: #781 albusteve
gonna redefine 'tax' now?....how many letters or words will it take?....what would you rather call it?
In California, they like the word "fee." Of course, last time they tried to implement one of these tax/fees, the CA Supreme Court knocked it down as an "Illegal tax." They haven't given up though, I still hear fee bandied about and this will increase as they continue scramble for revenue.
| 825 |
UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 8:36:41am |
re: #823 Russkilitlover
How do you think the props will fare today?
| 826 |
DistantThunder Tue, May 19, 2009 8:36:48am |
re: #812 Ward Cleaver
Uh oh.
This is absurd. Rahm, who pays no property taxes, because he declared his family a 5013c - is practically Obama's lover.
| 827 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:37:11am |
re: #820 albusteve
electric cars should be an option by now, and many people would own one if they could...there is not enough cheap electricity to power them...why?
Because government (lobbied by environmental activists) makes it extremely difficult to build new refineries, open new or upgrade existing power plants, and - of course - we can't even think about nuclear.
| 828 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 8:37:35am |
re: #823 Russkilitlover
In California, they like the word "fee." Of course, last time they tried to implement one of these tax/fees, the CA Supreme Court knocked it down as an "Illegal tax." They haven't given up though, I still hear fee bandied about and this will increase as they continue scramble for revenue.
CA is near death...there will be a Death Fee imposed on you when it flatlines....hahaha!
| 829 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:37:37am |
re: #819 DistantThunder
It's not market driven. So if the free market doesn't support it, and enough people don't buy it at the higher cost to make it profitable - then it is a wasted effort. Imagine if the state came in and said that you had to put in $300,000 worth of sprinklers?
i'm not sure avanti is bright enough to "imagine"..... which would explain why he buys all the Ear Leader stuff at face value.
| 830 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, May 19, 2009 8:37:50am |
re: #820 albusteve
electric cars should be an option by now, and many people would own one if they could...there is not enough cheap electricity to power them...why?
The problem with electric cars is not the power, it's the batteries. The batteries have only had a limited range, and that is getting better. However, the best batteries currently only have a 200 mile range versus the higher ranges with gasoline and diesel. There is also the added problem of shortened battery life in cold weather conditions such as those we have in the northern tier of states and Canada. The other problem is recharge time. Refilling a gas tank takes about five minutes tops. Recharging a battery can take hours. Not very useful for long trips.
| 832 |
ilzito guacamolito Tue, May 19, 2009 8:37:58am |
re: #810 Honorary Yooper
No, we have them because we get the biggest energy bang for our buck with them currently. Name a better system for vehicle propulsion?
Solar? Solar craps out when the sun isn't out.
Batteries? Been there, tried that. They have a limited range and need a long enough time to recharge. People have tried to make really viable electric cars for well over a century now.
Hydro? What does this have to do with vehicles? Nothing.
Hydrogen? Costs a lot to make for something with less energy than oil.
Compressed natural gas? Nice idea, and possibly viable, but less energy for what we get with oil.
Biofuels? Likewise as CNG, almost as good as oil, but eats into our food stocks.
Nuclear? Don't wanna touch this one with a 15 mile long pole.
Steam? Once very popular for vehicle propulsion, it went out of vogue in the 1910s.
Fuel Cells? See hydrogen.
Name a better system for the biggest bang for the energy buck than the Otto Cycle internal combustion engine right now. I dare you.
Don't forget perpetual motion.
| 833 |
UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 8:38:20am |
Speaking of energy, anyone know anything about co-gens?
| 834 |
irongrampa Tue, May 19, 2009 8:38:22am |
re: #820 albusteve
No subsidies for the electrical cord manufacturers?
| 836 |
turn Tue, May 19, 2009 8:38:47am |
re: #805 UFO TOFU
Yes I did. He's about as large as a big cat, so he just walks right through the wrought iron fence. I guess I'll be picking up some hardware cloth after work.
dang, that is dwarf. I'm going to have to go goggle that ... cute little guys. btw, have you ever eaten goat? It's actually very tasty. My other uncle in Watsonville way back when used to cook a kid goat every fourth of July. He would marinate the whole goat for about a week. The day before he would have this huge fire in a dirt pit. He wrapped the goat in a marinated burlap bag, hung from the lid of a garbage can, put the lid on, and buried it in the pit. Next day about noon he would dig the can up the can and serve the goat. The meat was falling off the bones and was absolutely delicious.
| 837 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:39:23am |
re: #806 avanti
OK, you define tax as any added expense to comply with a government regulation, but that definition does not exist in the real world. For example, I had to spend 10 to add sprinklers to my store, but it was not a "tax" I bought and paid for a product and labor to install it.If it costs $1000 for a improved, more fuel efficient engine, that is not a tax, since I am not giving the money to the government, I'm buying a better engine.
Bad anaology. That was a ONE TIME expense (for which you took it out of your profits that you had/ will charge consumers). The added expense in to make each auto comply will be on EVERY auto on the line, i.e. an addded "tax" (look up the definition of the word) to each car
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 19, 2009 8:39:28am |
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lawhawk Tue, May 19, 2009 8:39:44am |
re: #778 avanti
The added costs of those vehicles are a tax on car purchases. It takes money that can go to other purposes, and instead demands payment to obtain these vehicles.
Higher fuel economy and lower emissions are worthy goals, but the means by which this Administration (and past administrations for that matter) have distorted the market and unintended consequences of the CAFE standards have included the rise of the SUV and contributed to the destruction of the domestic auto industry because SUVs were a prime income generator for the smallish 3. That's going to come to an end with these standards.
Besides, not everyone will benefit from hybrids. In fact, switching to other conventionally powered vehicles could make a bigger difference.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:40:14am |
re: #750 avanti
Yes I am. As much as I might like to the 400 HP muscle cars, I want to kick the imported oil habit more.
drill here, drill now, and we won't have that problem.
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ilzito guacamolito Tue, May 19, 2009 8:40:42am |
re: #796 justdanny
Internal combustion engines should have gone away long ago. Solar wind hydro power should have been common long ago.
To me it isnt a lefty or righty issue. Its a health and economics issue. We only need these internal combustion stink machines today because we arent smart enough to have chosen a better way years ago.
When is the first solar powered commercial airliner going to roll off the assembly line?
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, May 19, 2009 8:40:47am |
re: #805 UFO TOFU
Yes I did. He's about as large as a big cat, so he just walks right through the wrought iron fence. I guess I'll be picking up some hardware cloth after work.
My son wants to get a pygmy goat as a pet for his kids. Are you allowed to keep them in a regular neighborhood, or do they have to be kept in a pen? He lives in Toronto, but has enough space on his property for a small pen.
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 8:41:15am |
re: #830 Honorary Yooper
The problem with electric cars is not the power, it's the batteries. The batteries have only had a limited range, and that is getting better. However, the best batteries currently only have a 200 mile range versus the higher ranges with gasoline and diesel. There is also the added problem of shortened battery life in cold weather conditions such as those we have in the northern tier of states and Canada. The other problem is recharge time. Refilling a gas tank takes about five minutes tops. Recharging a battery can take hours. Not very useful for long trips.
the question was rhetorical....technology will catch up if demanded...how would a few million electric cars stress out the grid now?....there is not enough energy at hand to make them viable...nuclear reactors here and there would reverse that problem
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Kragar Tue, May 19, 2009 8:41:22am |
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UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 8:41:33am |
re: #836 turn
Ours looks a lot like the second from the left:[Link: images.google.com...]
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 8:42:03am |
re: #812 Ward Cleaver
That will be trouble, in fact it may be his demise with all of the push back he's getting from the far right from his come to the center call.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:42:04am |
re: #806 avanti
but it was not a "tax"
[Link: dictionary.reference.com...]
2. a burdensome charge, obligation, duty, or demand.
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Kenneth Tue, May 19, 2009 8:42:06am |
re: #843 Alouette
City bylaws ban raising farm animals inside city limits. No goats, pigs, sheep, chickens, turkeys, cows or horses.
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Kragar Tue, May 19, 2009 8:42:25am |
The Italians have produced the worlds first "green" sports car. Its called the Runzonli Downhill.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:42:37am |
re: #845 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
In the closet next to the Irony board
there's a wrinkle that didn't occur to me.
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Russkilitlover Tue, May 19, 2009 8:42:47am |
re: #825 UFO TOFU
How do you think the props will fare today?
With the lack of advance polling - and 2 million absentee ballots have already been received - coupled with the very low expected voter turnout, I'm pretty confident they are going down. All except 1F, that one's got a chance. I'm hoping they go down HUGELY and it humilates our state government. Then, having sucked the taxpayers dry, they'll have to start in on those union jobs, salaries, benefits, and pensions.
| 854 |
Eowyn2 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:43:15am |
re: #836 turn
dang, that is dwarf. I'm going to have to go goggle that ... cute little guys. btw, have you ever eaten goat? It's actually very tasty. My other uncle in Watsonville way back when used to cook a kid goat every fourth of July. He would marinate the whole goat for about a week. The day before he would have this huge fire in a dirt pit. He wrapped the goat in a marinated burlap bag, hung from the lid of a garbage can, put the lid on, and buried it in the pit. Next day about noon he would dig the can up the can and serve the goat. The meat was falling off the bones and was absolutely delicious.
Does Mountain Goat count?
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ilzito guacamolito Tue, May 19, 2009 8:43:20am |
re: #852 redc1c4
there's a wrinkle that didn't occur to me.
I am getting really steamed with all of these pun threads.
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MJ Tue, May 19, 2009 8:43:30am |
Sy Hersh is at it again:
US journo claims Bhutto was killed on Cheney’s orders
New York, May 18 (ANI): A special death squad assassinated Pakistan’s former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto on the orders of former US Vice-President Dick Cheney, an Arab TV channel has reported.
“Cheney was the chief of the Joint Special Operation Command and he cleared the way for the US by exterminating opponents through the unit and the CIA. General Stanley was the in-charge of the unit,” The Nation quoted US columnist Seymour Hersh, as saying.
The US death unit killed Bhutto because she had told Al-Jazeera TV about the assassination of Osama Bin Laden, Hersh said.
The US leadership did not want Osama to be declared dead. It would have raised questions about the US Army’s presence in Afghanistan, he claimed.
According to Hersh, the former Lebanese PM Rafique Al Hariri and the army chief were murdered for not safeguarding US interests and for refusing to set up US military bases in Lebanon.
Ariel Sharon, the then prime minister of Israel, was also a key man in the plot, he said. (ANI)
[Link: www.thaindian.com...]
Now Hersh is claiming he didn't say it but Hersh has always promoted conspiracy theories:
I did not say Cheney killed Benazir: Hersh
LAHORE: US journalist Seymour Hersh on Monday contradicted news reports being published in South Asia that quote him as saying a “special death squad” made by former US vice president Dick Cheney had killed Benazir Bhutto. The award-winning journalist described as “complete madness” the reports that the squad headed by General Stanley McChrystal – the new commander of US army in Afghanistan – had also killed former Lebanese prime minister Rafique Al Hariri and a Lebanese army chief. “Vice president Cheney does not have a death squad. I have no idea who killed Mr Hariri or Mrs Bhutto,” Hersh said....
[Link: www.dailytimes.com.pk...]
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subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:43:37am |
I'm afraid I don't understand the fear of nuclear power. As you can guess from my nic, I lived within, oh, twenty feet of one for a number of years, and I still don't glow in the dark.
Folks cite Chernobyl (and to a lesser extent Three Mile Island) as what can happen. Sure. BUT, the Soviets used BWR (boiling water reactors) whereas we use PWR (pressurized water reactors) which are much, much safer.
In a BWR plant, the water that is used to generate the steam used is contaminated, where in a PWR plant, it is separated from the primary. So, when a BWR plant has a steam leak, it's contaminated. In a PWR plant, it is not.
It's fine.
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UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 8:43:48am |
re: #843 Alouette
I really don't know. You might consider this though; the breeder we got ours from says she raise dwarfs because pygmies are more prone to health problems.
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 8:43:48am |
re: #821 UFO TOFU
I'll see what I can do. It's hysterical when head-butts Whack dog.
ahhhh, man I wish I could see that.
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Kragar Tue, May 19, 2009 8:43:53am |
re: #853 Russkilitlover
With the lack of advance polling - and 2 million absentee ballots have already been received - coupled with the very low expected voter turnout, I'm pretty confident they are going down. All except 1F, that one's got a chance. I'm hoping they go down HUGELY and it humilates our state government. Then, having sucked the taxpayers dry, they'll have to start in on those union jobs, salaries, benefits, and pensions.
I heard them going over 1F this morning as well. Its a smokescreen which needs to fail as well.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:44:01am |
re: #855 ilzito guacamolito
I am getting really steamed with all of these pun threads.
take the starch right out of you, do they?
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Dianna Tue, May 19, 2009 8:44:15am |
Update:
Ruth is out of the hospital.
They say she just fainted.
I'm a bit horrified by that, but I'm pleased that she seems to be fine. The explanation doesn't seem to me to cover the observed symptoms (locked jaw, no breathing, no carotid pulse), and she went down slowly, not the sudden collapse of a faint. But, hey, she's all right.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:44:46am |
re: #840 lawhawk
Avanti wants to limit the word "tax" to the narrow definition ("a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.).
The word has other definitions, one that applied to the car "tax"
(a burdensome charge, obligation, duty, or demand.)
[Link: dictionary.reference.com...]
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Eowyn2 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:45:05am |
re: #840 lawhawk
there's nothing quite like an SUV with such low horsepower that any bump in the road causes the engine to sputter and spit.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:45:21am |
re: #857 subsailor68
I'm afraid I don't understand the fear of nuclear power. As you can guess from my nic, I lived within, oh, twenty feet of one for a number of years, and I still don't glow in the dark.
Folks cite Chernobyl (and to a lesser extent Three Mile Island) as what can happen. Sure. BUT, the Soviets used BWR (boiling water reactors) whereas we use PWR (pressurized water reactors) which are much, much safer.
In a BWR plant, the water that is used to generate the steam used is contaminated, where in a PWR plant, it is separated from the primary. So, when a BWR plant has a steam leak, it's contaminated. In a PWR plant, it is not.
It's fine.
heretic!
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 19, 2009 8:45:25am |
re: #844 albusteve
the question was rhetorical....technology will catch up if demanded...how would a few million electric cars stress out the grid now?....there is not enough energy at hand to make them viable...nuclear reactors here and there would reverse that problem
We're already part way there with hybrids. The next step is something along the lines of the Volt, a hybrid you can also plug in for battery recharge. For a bit of a history lesson, GM did try electric cars with the EV-1. They were not overly popular, but they did teach some important lessons about electric cars. For the foreseeable future, I think you will see a lot more multiple displacement systems, lighter materials used in construction, and more hybrid technology.
| 867 |
ilzito guacamolito Tue, May 19, 2009 8:45:35am |
re: #863 sattv4u2
Avanti wants to limit the word "tax" to the narrow definition ("a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.).
The word has other definitions, one that applied to the car "tax"
(a burdensome charge, obligation, duty, or demand.)
[Link: dictionary.reference.com...]
Putting up with liberal 'logic' is taxing.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, May 19, 2009 8:45:41am |
re: #849 Kenneth
City bylaws ban raising farm animals inside city limits. No goats, pigs, sheep, chickens, turkeys, cows or horses.
My daughter-in-law will be happy to hear that.
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 8:45:48am |
re: #857 subsailor68
you cannot understand the irrational...
avanti...why do you fear nuclear energy?
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avanti Tue, May 19, 2009 8:46:07am |
re: #815 Liberal Classic
With all due respect, avanti, an "unfunded mandate" is in effect a hidden tax. The automobile companies must comply with the law, and will have no choice but to pass this added cost on to customers. One of the reasons Detroit is in the condition it is now in, is because of the amount of regulation on the industry. The regulatory environment in which the companies operate adds to their operating expenses, adds to the cost of vehicles, and raises the entry cost to enter the market.
I agree the effect is the same, but I prefer the dictionary definition. As in the case of my 10K mandated sprinkler system, I'd be out the 10K with a check for a tax, or with the sprinkler system. With the sprinklers, at least I actually get something for my money. We can just agree to disagree on the definition of a tax.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, May 19, 2009 8:46:20am |
re: #824 redc1c4
in which direction?
First up, then down. Now what did I do with that "WIN" (Whip Inflation Now) button?
/i just had it here somewhere
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:46:49am |
re: #864 Eowyn2
there's nothing quite like an SUV with such low horsepower that any bump in the road causes the engine to sputter and spit.
from the way most people drive their behemoths here in LA, that's they way they come equipped now....... they slow down for everything.
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turn Tue, May 19, 2009 8:47:04am |
re: #825 UFO TOFU
How do you think the props will fare today?
I couldn't believe that there were no arguments against 1B. I'm rejecting all of these ideas to balance the budget, besides they won't even come close. CA has to downsize government and we might as well bite the bullet now rather than delay the pain.
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Dianna Tue, May 19, 2009 8:47:30am |
re: #860 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I heard them going over 1F this morning as well. Its a smokescreen which needs to fail as well.
I voted no on everything.
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LGoPs Tue, May 19, 2009 8:47:30am |
re: #853 Russkilitlover
With the lack of advance polling - and 2 million absentee ballots have already been received - coupled with the very low expected voter turnout, I'm pretty confident they are going down. All except 1F, that one's got a chance. I'm hoping they go down HUGELY and it humilates our state government. Then, having sucked the taxpayers dry, they'll have to start in on those union jobs, salaries, benefits, and pensions.
I'm heading out to cast my vote this morning. Down with them all.
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JustABill Tue, May 19, 2009 8:47:45am |
re: #817 redc1c4
memo: if you live in Los Angeles, please vote Trutanich for City Attorney....
he's the Anti-Weiss. %-)
I'd be curious to know where California lizards stand on 1A...
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avanti Tue, May 19, 2009 8:47:57am |
re: #848 sattv4u2
but it was not a "tax"
[Link: dictionary.reference.com...]
2. a burdensome charge, obligation, duty, or demand.
As in, "This thread is taxing my patience" :)
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Eowyn2 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:48:19am |
re: #856 MJ
The plot thickens.
Cheeeney, you got some splainins to do.
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subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:48:25am |
re: #871 avanti
I agree the effect is the same, but I prefer the dictionary definition. As in the case of my 10K mandated sprinkler system, I'd be out the 10K with a check for a tax, or with the sprinkler system. With the sprinklers, at least I actually get something for my money. We can just agree to disagree on the definition of a tax.
Ah! But, to use your example that you got the sprinkers (mandated) you actually got something for your money would support the argument that you really aren't paying federal income tax because, among other things, you get an interstate highway system in return.
| 882 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:48:26am |
re: #866 Honorary Yooper
We're already part way there with hybrids. The next step is something along the lines of the Volt, a hybrid you can also plug in for battery recharge. For a bit of a history lesson, GM did try electric cars with the EV-1. They were not overly popular, but they did teach some important lessons about electric cars. For the foreseeable future, I think you will see a lot more multiple displacement systems, lighter materials used in construction, and more hybrid technology.
when will someone mention all the additional pollution generated by the battery manufacture as well as the end of life toxic footprint when they have to be disposed of?
| 883 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 8:48:35am |
re: #849 Kenneth
City bylaws ban raising farm animals inside city limits. No goats, pigs, sheep, chickens, turkeys, cows or horses.
we have all those critters and more here in ABQ...very cool to see folks riding horses 2 miles from downtown
| 884 |
Kragar Tue, May 19, 2009 8:48:38am |
re: #874 turn
I couldn't believe that there were no arguments against 1B. I'm rejecting all of these ideas to balance the budget, besides they won't even come close. CA has to downsize government and we might as well bite the bullet now rather than delay the pain.
BUT IF THEY FAIL, EVERY COP/FIREMAN/TEACHER WILL BE OUT OF A JOB!
(or they could cut some of the countless bullshit they have approved)
| 885 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:48:57am |
re: #869 albusteve
you cannot understand the irrational...
avanti...why do you fear nuclear energy?
Ear Leader told him to.
| 887 |
Kragar Tue, May 19, 2009 8:49:04am |
| 889 |
sattv4u2 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:49:40am |
re: #871 avanti
I agree the effect is the same, but I prefer the dictionary definition No you don't. I GAVE you the dictionary definition of the word "TAX"
#1 is the one you want to use
#2 is THE applicable one in this case
[Link: dictionary.reference.com...]
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:49:45am |
re: #782 lawhawk
Drudge is posting this as his banner headline right now - the Missing Link has been found.
Heads exploding in 3...2...1....
wasn't that a story here on LGF days ago?
| 891 |
Kragar Tue, May 19, 2009 8:49:48am |
re: #877 JustABill
I'd be curious to know where California lizards stand on 1A...
No. No for all of them.
| 892 |
Kragar Tue, May 19, 2009 8:50:05am |
| 893 |
Eowyn2 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:50:13am |
re: #857 subsailor68
I'm afraid I don't understand the fear of nuclear power. As you can guess from my nic, I lived within, oh, twenty feet of one for a number of years, and I still don't glow in the dark.
Folks cite Chernobyl (and to a lesser extent Three Mile Island) as what can happen. Sure. BUT, the Soviets used BWR (boiling water reactors) whereas we use PWR (pressurized water reactors) which are much, much safer.
In a BWR plant, the water that is used to generate the steam used is contaminated, where in a PWR plant, it is separated from the primary. So, when a BWR plant has a steam leak, it's contaminated. In a PWR plant, it is not.
It's fine.
The soviets were experimenting on the number of cooling rods. They had removed 2/3 of them prior to the melt down. DOE has the information.
| 894 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:50:25am |
re: #886 buzzsawmonkey
That's what powers Congress; perpetual motions, amendments, and votes.
I think you made a typo there. What seems to power Congress is perpetual emotion.
;-)
| 895 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:50:32am |
re: #877 JustABill
I'd be curious to know where California lizards stand on 1A...
no on all of them.... and a pox on all their houses too boot.
| 896 |
Dianna Tue, May 19, 2009 8:50:37am |
re: #874 turn
I couldn't believe that there were no arguments against 1B. I'm rejecting all of these ideas to balance the budget, besides they won't even come close. CA has to downsize government and we might as well bite the bullet now rather than delay the pain.
Truth.
Though given the sheer weirdness of California's system, we may actually need to rewrite our constitution.
That thought sends chills up my spine, though.
| 898 |
SummerSong Tue, May 19, 2009 8:50:49am |
re: #862 Dianna
Update:
Ruth is out of the hospital.
They say she just fainted.
That is great news :)
| 899 |
turn Tue, May 19, 2009 8:50:52am |
re: #846 UFO TOFU
Ours looks a lot like the second from the left:[Link: images.google.com...]
I better not let the turnwife see that, otherwise I would be getting another goat for sure. Goats are actually pretty smart, I wonder how they compare to dogs.
| 900 |
Ward Cleaver Tue, May 19, 2009 8:51:06am |
re: #866 Honorary Yooper
We're already part way there with hybrids. The next step is something along the lines of the Volt, a hybrid you can also plug in for battery recharge. For a bit of a history lesson, GM did try electric cars with the EV-1. They were not overly popular, but they did teach some important lessons about electric cars. For the foreseeable future, I think you will see a lot more multiple displacement systems, lighter materials used in construction, and more hybrid technology.
The Volt is not a hybrid. The Volt is an electric vehicle with a gasoline-powered range extender. The gasoline engine is not connected to any driving wheels; it starts up when necessary to power a 53-kW generator, recharge the batteries.
| 901 |
ilzito guacamolito Tue, May 19, 2009 8:51:17am |
re: #886 buzzsawmonkey
That's what powers Congress; perpetual motions, amendments, and votes.
Which in turn powers inflation, evaporating liberty and decreased national security.
| 902 |
Dianna Tue, May 19, 2009 8:51:23am |
re: #877 JustABill
I'd be curious to know where California lizards stand on 1A...
I rejected it with great force.
| 903 |
Russkilitlover Tue, May 19, 2009 8:51:29am |
re: #877 JustABill
I'd be curious to know where California lizards stand on 1A...
1A - NO!
1B - NO!
1C - NO!
1D - NO!
1E - NO!
1F - NO!
| 904 |
Kragar Tue, May 19, 2009 8:51:37am |
re: #896 Dianna
Truth.
Though given the sheer weirdness of California's system, we may actually need to rewrite our constitution.
That thought sends chills up my spine, though.
Well, the Anarchs would be happy at least.
| 906 |
Liberal Classic Tue, May 19, 2009 8:51:59am |
re: #810 Honorary Yooper
No, we have them because we get the biggest energy bang for our buck with them currently. Name a better system for vehicle propulsion?
Solar? Solar craps out when the sun isn't out.
Batteries? Been there, tried that. They have a limited range and need a long enough time to recharge. People have tried to make really viable electric cars for well over a century now.
Hydro? What does this have to do with vehicles? Nothing.
Hydrogen? Costs a lot to make for something with less energy than oil.
Compressed natural gas? Nice idea, and possibly viable, but less energy for what we get with oil.
Biofuels? Likewise as CNG, almost as good as oil, but eats into our food stocks.
Nuclear? Don't wanna touch this one with a 15 mile long pole.
Steam? Once very popular for vehicle propulsion, it went out of vogue in the 1910s.
Fuel Cells? See hydrogen.
Name a better system for the biggest bang for the energy buck than the Otto Cycle internal combustion engine right now. I dare you.
In many respects, electric motors are superior to combustion engines. They are much more efficient. The average gasoline combustion engine only about 40% efficient, while electric motors are 90% efficient. Why do you think your car needs that radiator to reject heat to the surroundings? Electric motors have few moving parts and are simple and reliable.
The internal combustion engine is not without drawbacks, but they are successful is because of the energy density of the fuel. The specific energy (total amount of energy stored per unit mass) and specific power (rate of energy transfer per unit mass) of hydrocarbon fuels (such as gasoline, diesel, and alcohol) are higher than those of batteries and capacitor systems. When the total storage and rate of delivery from electric energy storage systems (batteries, capacitors, fuel cells, or a combination) begin to approach those of chemical fuels then cars with electric motors will take off.
Electric cars are viable for commuter vehicles now. Recent advances in lithium batteries have increased the total energy and delivery rate of battery packs substantially. They also charge faster than traditional lead acid systems, and some quick-charge lithium technology is right around the corner to address this issue further. I think there is some promise in hybrid systems to bridge the gap. However, small combustion engines are even less efficient than large ones.
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albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 8:52:12am |
re: #897 buzzsawmonkey
Not to mention the need for a vastly expanded electrical grid to power them--which also involves pollution in the building and in the operation.
reality is so yesterday man...
| 908 |
Kragar Tue, May 19, 2009 8:52:19am |
re: #902 Dianna
I rejected it with great force.
Great, now we know who to blame when the whole state burns down.
| 909 |
LGoPs Tue, May 19, 2009 8:52:21am |
re: #886 buzzsawmonkey
That's what powers Congress; perpetual motions, amendments, and votes.
And the only way to stop that motion is with a freeze. In spending. Freeze them to absolute fucking zero.
| 910 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:52:57am |
re: #893 Eowyn2
The soviets were experimenting on the number of cooling rods. They had removed 2/3 of them prior to the melt down. DOE has the information.
Hi Eowyn2! I think I remember that. My only point was the use of BWR is not as safe as PWR.
| 911 |
justdanny Tue, May 19, 2009 8:53:02am |
re: #810 Honorary Yooper
Resting on the good old ICE (internal combustion engine) for so long now means we havent given the effort to improve things like battery life and safety the way we should have. The Drive America ego seems to be more in the way of technical progress than anything else. Big fat cars and trucks that can carry a lot and/or go fast has a lot more to do with our culture than our real needs. I'll bet 75% of Americans would do just fine with an electric or hybrid car or truck. Ive driven a prius several times lately and it averages 42 mpg when Im in it. For some odd reason when other coworkers drive it it averages in the low 30s.
The ICE mates nicely with our culture. Big fast loud bloated inefficient wasteful heavy overinflated. It is symbolic of our vision of ourselves. Big tough and proud.
That attitude got us here. But now cant we mix a strong measure of sense with that attitude and evolve away from this unhealthy somewhat atavistic way?
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redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:53:33am |
re: #906 Liberal Classic
except the power grid won;t be able to supply a large fleet of said cars.....
/back at square one.
| 913 |
SummerSong Tue, May 19, 2009 8:54:04am |
Everyone I know will be voting no on all propositions in the CA special election.
| 914 |
turn Tue, May 19, 2009 8:54:31am |
re: #856 MJ
I'm not even going to check that out, won't give him any credibility. What was it OR said upthread, serial sensationalist of something.
| 915 |
Russkilitlover Tue, May 19, 2009 8:55:30am |
re: #884 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
BUT IF THEY FAIL, EVERY COP/FIREMAN/TEACHER WILL BE OUT OF A JOB!
(or they could cut some of the countless bullshit they have approved)
There are over 287,000 state employees. If you work for the state gov for 30 years you retire at 90% of your salary. Start working in your 20's, retire at 50 with 90% of your salary and then, if you want, you can work in another branch of the state gov.
Sweet, huh? Anyone else have a guaranteed pension like that?
How about healthcare - No deductibles, no co-pay, paid for by state.
Combine this largess with the billions spent on illeg...oops...un-documented immigrants and any moron can see it's unsustainable.
| 916 |
UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 8:55:32am |
I guess I could have googled my own question: Cogenerators. They seem to be working pretty well in Texas..
| 917 |
Dianna Tue, May 19, 2009 8:55:32am |
re: #908 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Great, now we know who to blame when the whole state burns down.
This will be different from every summer, how?
| 918 |
LGoPs Tue, May 19, 2009 8:55:37am |
re: #908 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Great, now we know who to blame when the whole state burns down.
Make 'em fix it. That's their job. I've worked 18 hours a day 7 days a week for month's on end on some projects. Make them do the same until they figure it out. Giving them more money only feeds their incompetence and greed.
| 919 |
justdanny Tue, May 19, 2009 8:55:41am |
re: #842 ilzito guacamolito
I have no crystal ball, so, I reckon once they develop and build one?
| 921 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:57:01am |
re: #911 justdanny
Resting on the good old ICE (internal combustion engine) for so long now means we havent given the effort to improve things like battery life and safety the way we should have. The Drive America ego seems to be more in the way of technical progress than anything else. Big fat cars and trucks that can carry a lot and/or go fast has a lot more to do with our culture than our real needs. I'll bet 75% of Americans would do just fine with an electric or hybrid car or truck. Ive driven a prius several times lately and it averages 42 mpg when Im in it. For some odd reason when other coworkers drive it it averages in the low 30s.
The ICE mates nicely with our culture. Big fast loud bloated inefficient wasteful heavy overinflated. It is symbolic of our vision of ourselves. Big tough and proud.
That attitude got us here. But now cant we mix a strong measure of sense with that attitude and evolve away from this unhealthy somewhat atavistic way?
i drive faster than the local morons in their POS Prius's, and burn more gas than they do.
that's because of basic economics: my time is valuable, and it means more to me than the small savings in fuel costs. They may have no problem dawdling along and spending 20-30 minutes more a day in traffic, but i'd rather be home, enjoying my life.
| 922 |
Eowyn2 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:57:36am |
re: #873 redc1c4
from the way most people drive their behemoths here in LA, that's they way they come equipped now....... they slow down for everything.
Years ago, Chrysler had one that came standard with a 4 cyl. At the slightest hill, my friend had to slow down to 50 in the interstate. It was aweful. Crawling crawling crawling.
Around here, if you have a decent sized SUV, it had better have an 8 in it if it doesnt have a 12.
| 923 |
justdanny Tue, May 19, 2009 8:57:58am |
BRB, I have to drive my internal combustion engine propelled station wagon to McDonalds for some lunch. ;)
| 924 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:57:58am |
re: #915 Russkilitlover
There are over 287,000 state employees. If you work for the state gov for 30 years you retire at 90% of your salary. Start working in your 20's, retire at 50 with 90% of your salary and then, if you want, you can work in another branch of the state gov.
Sweet, huh? Anyone else have a guaranteed pension like that?
How about healthcare - No deductibles, no co-pay, paid for by state.
Combine this largess with the billions spent on illeg...oops...un-documented immigrants and any moron can see it's unsustainable.
well, not just *any* moron..... the Legislature can't seem to grasp that fact.
| 925 |
LGoPs Tue, May 19, 2009 8:58:04am |
re: #884 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
BUT IF THEY FAIL, EVERY COP/FIREMAN/TEACHER WILL BE OUT OF A JOB!
(or they could cut some of the countless bullshit they have approved)
No. That's what they want you to think. I'll bet there is a 100 to one tooth to tail ratio. For every cop on the street there's probably 100 beauracrats. Same for teachers and firemen. Fire the 'tail', not the foxhole strength.
| 926 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 8:58:27am |
re: #912 redc1c4
except the power grid won;t be able to supply a large fleet of said cars.....
/back at square one.
[Link: www.allheadlinenews.com...]
| 927 |
Dianna Tue, May 19, 2009 8:58:42am |
re: #915 Russkilitlover
Just one thing: my mom's a retired teacher. Her pension is, indeed, as you describe, as are her benefits. However, she's 73 (going on 74), and your "sweet deal" isn't covering all her expenses.
I know that the plural of anecdote isn't data. But...it's not all beer and skittles, all right?
| 928 |
Liberal Classic Tue, May 19, 2009 8:59:10am |
re: #912 redc1c4
except the power grid won;t be able to supply a large fleet of said cars.....
/back at square one.
Please allow me to respectfully disagree with this. Electric cars are viable as commuter vehicles. Such a car would be charged at night when it is not in use and the demand is less. This is not to say that we need added capacity. We need new power plants anyway, I'm a strong supporter of nuclear power generation.
| 929 |
Eowyn2 Tue, May 19, 2009 8:59:25am |
re: #905 turn
What did that taste like E?
very good.
I soaked it in salt water all day then breaded it with milk, eggs, and flour.
fried it up and it was better than veal.
| 930 |
Dianna Tue, May 19, 2009 8:59:44am |
re: #920 turn
Hi Dianna, I guess I missed that. Who is she?
My best friend. She collapsed at my dinner table on Saturday evening, frightening me badly.
| 931 |
UFO TOFU Tue, May 19, 2009 9:00:00am |
| 932 |
turn Tue, May 19, 2009 9:00:06am |
re: #884 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
BUT IF THEY FAIL, EVERY COP/FIREMAN/TEACHER WILL BE OUT OF A JOB!
(or they could cut some of the countless bullshit they have approved)
Too bad. Yes, I say cut the bullshit too. Fricking voters here are so stoooopid, always hoping for that free lunch.
| 934 |
turn Tue, May 19, 2009 9:00:57am |
| 935 |
Dianna Tue, May 19, 2009 9:01:53am |
re: #931 UFO TOFU
I'm going to have to borrow that one.
It's not mine - I'm quoting (though I don't know whose it is).
| 936 |
avanti Tue, May 19, 2009 9:02:08am |
re: #881 subsailor68
Ah! But, to use your example that you got the sprinkers (mandated) you actually got something for your money would support the argument that you really aren't paying federal income tax because, among other things, you get an interstate highway system in return.
Actually, that's a pretty decent point. In the case of the highway though, I can't keep the bit I paid for, but still, a interesting argument.
| 937 |
turn Tue, May 19, 2009 9:02:26am |
re: #896 Dianna
Truth.
Though given the sheer weirdness of California's system, we may actually need to rewrite our constitution.
That thought sends chills up my spine, though.
Oh shit, wouldn't the libs love to get their hands into that one.
| 938 |
LGoPs Tue, May 19, 2009 9:02:28am |
re: #915 Russkilitlover
There are over 287,000 state employees. If you work for the state gov for 30 years you retire at 90% of your salary. Start working in your 20's, retire at 50 with 90% of your salary and then, if you want, you can work in another branch of the state gov.
Sweet, huh? Anyone else have a guaranteed pension like that?
How about healthcare - No deductibles, no co-pay, paid for by state.
Combine this largess with the billions spent on illeg...oops...un-documented immigrants and any moron can see it's unsustainable.
That is an outrage. No system can sustain that.
I heard a quote from the Mayor of Vallejo, CA the other day. He said he had three police departments. One on patrol and 2 retired. The city is bankrupt.
| 939 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 9:03:02am |
re: #928 Liberal Classic
Please allow me to respectfully disagree with this. Electric cars are viable as commuter vehicles. Such a car would be charged at night when it is not in use and the demand is less. This is not to say that we need added capacity. We need new power plants anyway, I'm a strong supporter of nuclear power generation.
| 940 |
Dianna Tue, May 19, 2009 9:03:29am |
re: #937 turn
Oh shit, wouldn't the libs love to get their hands into that one.
It could be a disaster, yes. But the current constitution is a dreadful mess, and all the initiatives don't help.
| 941 |
Russkilitlover Tue, May 19, 2009 9:03:50am |
re: #927 Dianna
Just one thing: my mom's a retired teacher. Her pension is, indeed, as you describe, as are her benefits. However, she's 73 (going on 74), and your "sweet deal" isn't covering all her expenses.
I know that the plural of anecdote isn't data. But...it's not all beer and skittles, all right?
Almost every retiree I've ever known coming out of the private sector, needs oodles of supplemental insurance and retirement packages that they get themselves to sustain retirement. This isn't very good either. But the life-long benefits received by state workers just can't be supported by the tax base. Hasn't been able to for years and we've borrowed and spent to the point that we are out of options now.
| 942 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 9:04:28am |
re: #936 avanti
Actually, that's a pretty decent point. In the case of the highway though, I can't keep the bit I paid for, but still, a interesting argument.
it's not an argument...it's reality...
why do you fear nuclear power?
| 943 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 9:04:46am |
re: #936 avanti
Actually, that's a pretty decent point. In the case of the highway though, I can't keep the bit I paid for, but still, a interesting argument.
LOL! But, but, how do you explain all those signs where the Kiwanis club has the next two miles of the road? I promise to lobby congress for a two mile stretch of I-10 to be called "Avanti Turnpike".
;-)
| 944 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, May 19, 2009 9:05:19am |
re: #922 Eowyn2
Years ago, Chrysler had one that came standard with a 4 cyl. At the slightest hill, my friend had to slow down to 50 in the interstate. It was aweful. Crawling crawling crawling.
Around here, if you have a decent sized SUV, it had better have an 8 in it if it doesnt have a 12.
I test drove one of these Chryslers, back when the K-cars were new. The car couldn't even pull a mild upgrade on a city street. Thanks, but no thanks.
| 945 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 9:05:35am |
re: #938 LGoPs
That is an outrage. No system can sustain that.
I heard a quote from the Mayor of Vallejo, CA the other day. He said he had three police departments. One on patrol and 2 retired. The city is bankrupt.
it is far and away CA biggest reason for failure....
| 946 |
turn Tue, May 19, 2009 9:05:56am |
re: #915 Russkilitlover
sorry Russ, I only have one upding at my disposal. exactly
| 947 |
avanti Tue, May 19, 2009 9:06:00am |
Fox is still running the "$1300 added cost" banner even though $700 of that was on the older standard and the added cost for BHO's plan is $600.
| 948 |
Dianna Tue, May 19, 2009 9:06:09am |
re: #941 Russkilitlover
Almost every retiree I've ever known coming out of the private sector, needs oodles of supplemental insurance and retirement packages that they get themselves to sustain retirement. This isn't very good either. But the life-long benefits received by state workers just can't be supported by the tax base. Hasn't been able to for years and we've borrowed and spent to the point that we are out of options now.
I don't disagree. But be clear that not every retiree is diving into pools of money crying, "Whee!"
You and I aren't very far apart on this, but I am very much aware that the unsustainable creation isn't the only factor here.
| 950 |
avanti Tue, May 19, 2009 9:08:02am |
re: #942 albusteve
it's not an argument...it's reality...
why do you fear nuclear power?
I was not talking about nukes, but I don't fear them. We need to build them as fast as humanly possible.
| 952 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 9:10:08am |
re: #950 avanti
I was not talking about nukes, but I don't fear them. We need to build them as fast as humanly possible.
why do the majority of liberals fear nuclear power?....is this fear rational?
| 953 |
turn Tue, May 19, 2009 9:10:50am |
re: #930 Dianna
My best friend. She collapsed at my dinner table on Saturday evening, frightening me badly.
I hope she'll be all right. My SIL passed out in front of me one time, scarry. It was the heat and I treated her by running a hose down her back. She was ok.
| 954 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, May 19, 2009 9:11:04am |
re: #925 LGoPs
No. That's what they want you to think. I'll bet there is a 100 to one tooth to tail ratio. For every cop on the street there's probably 100 beauracrats. Same for teachers and firemen. Fire the 'tail', not the foxhole strength.
The first thing every bureaucracy does when faced with a budget "cut" (which generally means a smaller increase over last year than they requested), is to do whatever possible to screw over the public. They're like the scorpion in the story, that's what they do.
| 955 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 9:13:15am |
re: #952 albusteve
why do the majority of liberals fear nuclear power?....is this fear rational?
Maybe they think The China Syndrome was a documentary?
| 956 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 9:15:36am |
re: #955 subsailor68
Maybe they think The China Syndrome was a documentary?
the accident/storage problems have been solved...I never get a reasonable answer
| 957 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, May 19, 2009 9:15:50am |
re: #947 avanti
Fox is still running the "$1300 added cost" banner even though $700 of that was on the older standard and the added cost for BHO's plan is $600.
How many people with die in the smaller cars required to meet the CAFE standards? Has anybody calculated that?
| 958 |
albusteve Tue, May 19, 2009 9:17:16am |
re: #957 Son of the Black Dog
How many people with die in the smaller cars required to meet the CAFE standards? Has anybody calculated that?
human life means little to liberals...deny it all they want, but the facts prove otherwise
| 959 |
avanti Tue, May 19, 2009 9:17:38am |
re: #952 albusteve
why do the majority of liberals fear nuclear power?....is this fear rational?
I don't have the polling to suggest that is a fact, but lets assume it's correct. I don't know if it's irrational fear, but I think it's over the top fear of the storage and safety issues.
There is no question that some of the far left tree huggers are a factor in holding back construction. It's one of the major disagreements I have with BHO, I think he needs to rethink his lukewarm support of nukes.
| 960 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 9:18:27am |
re: #956 albusteve
the accident/storage problems have been solved...I never get a reasonable answer
Yeah, just a little sarcasm on my part. You're absolutely correct about accident/storage, and ya can add safe operation to that list too.
| 961 |
ilzito guacamolito Tue, May 19, 2009 9:19:59am |
re: #960 subsailor68
Yeah, just a little sarcasm on my part. You're absolutely correct about accident/storage, and ya can add safe operation to that list too.
No Homer Simpsons working in any of the plants?
| 962 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 9:22:09am |
re: #961 ilzito guacamolito
No Homer Simpsons working in any of the plants?
DOH! I forgot about him!
;-)
| 963 |
reine.de.tout Tue, May 19, 2009 9:24:53am |
re: #915 Russkilitlover
There are over 287,000 state employees. If you work for the state gov for 30 years you retire at 90% of your salary. Start working in your 20's, retire at 50 with 90% of your salary and then, if you want, you can work in another branch of the state gov.
Sweet, huh? Anyone else have a guaranteed pension like that?
How about healthcare - No deductibles, no co-pay, paid for by state.
Combine this largess with the billions spent on illeg...oops...un-documented immigrants and any moron can see it's unsustainable.
Very often, one cannot work in another branch of government without combining the years of service or taking some sort of "penalty" on the retirement income already being received.
Government pensions (at least the one I have) are self-funded by contributions from the employees, which is invested. No state general fund taxpayer dollars are used toward my pension. I was PAID for working with taxpayer dollars, but my pension is not funded with taxpayer dollars.
If my husband dies before I do, I will see exactly ZERO of his social security benefit. Zip, zilch, zero, nada.
Nor will I ever see one penny of the social security benefit I paid for when I worked private sector.
Why? Because there is a dollar for dollar "offset" of social security for government pensions, and because my pension is greater than either my own or my husbands SS benefits will be, I will never see one cent of either of those.
So. People get so upset about government pensions, but they do not cost you the taxpayer anything.
| 964 |
avanti Tue, May 19, 2009 9:25:40am |
re: #957 Son of the Black Dog
How many people with die in the smaller cars required to meet the CAFE standards? Has anybody calculated that?
Fatalities continue to go down as cars get smaller. Once most of the car on the road are 3000 pounds and under, you won't have as many big car/little car collisions and we all lose against 18 wheeler.
| 965 |
ilzito guacamolito Tue, May 19, 2009 9:30:43am |
re: #964 avanti
Fatalities continue to go down as cars get smaller. Once most of the car on the road are 3000 pounds and under, you won't have as many big car/little car collisions and we all lose against 18 wheeler.
Now THAT'S comforting.
| 966 |
justdanny Tue, May 19, 2009 9:31:24am |
Put enough hydro plants on the Mississippi, windmills from Texas to North Dakota and Nuclear plants scattered about the country and You can produce enough electricity to power cars. Let big trucks and planes use gas.
But, just like most things in this country, since we lost our spine in the sixties, we would rather stick than switch.
"Oh no,oh no, what if it hurts and requires work!... waaaaaahwaaaah." We're like a bunch of frikken limp wristed babies these days. Lookin for momma to poke a tit in our mouths or wipe our asses.
To unquote what the wife of the green snake oil salesman said, Maybe for the first time in my life I'm not so proud of this country anymore.
| 967 |
Kenneth Tue, May 19, 2009 9:35:15am |
re: #956 albusteve
the accident/storage problems have been solved...I never get a reasonable answer
The technical problems of nuclear energy have been solved, but the human problems have not been solved. People can still screw up big time... Chernobyl, for example. That's why people are frightened.
| 968 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, May 19, 2009 9:43:13am |
re: #964 avanti
Fatalities continue to go down as cars get smaller. Once most of the car on the road are 3000 pounds and under, you won't have as many big car/little car collisions and we all lose against 18 wheeler.
You can't convince me that there haven't already been a very significant number of fatalities and serious injuries that came about as a direct result of smaller cars indirectly mandated by the CAFE standards. Without CAFE, auto related fatality rates would be even lower than they are now.
| 969 |
Sabnen Tue, May 19, 2009 9:44:17am |
re: #964 avanti
Fatalities continue to go down as cars get smaller.
No. No. No. Fatalities continue to go down because cars are SAFER, not SMALLER.
Yes, fatalities and car size are correlated, BUT correlation DOES NOT mean causation.
| 970 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 19, 2009 9:46:06am |
re: #968 Son of the Black Dog
You can't convince me that there haven't already been a very significant number of fatalities and serious injuries that came about as a direct result of smaller cars indirectly mandated by the CAFE standards. Without CAFE, auto related fatality rates would be even lower than they are now.
Here's one report:
| 971 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, May 19, 2009 9:46:52am |
re: #966 justdanny
Put enough hydro plants on the Mississippi, ...
The Mississippi Delta is too broad and flat to support hydroelectric generation, except above the Ohio, where there already is some. All the economically feasible sites for hydro have already been build, or are tied up for environmental reasons.
| 972 |
Kenneth Tue, May 19, 2009 9:47:29am |
re: #969 Sabnen
Is it the cars or the demographics? As the average age of the population grows older, more drivers are more experienced. Older, more experienced drivers have fewer accidents than younger, less experienced drivers. The problem is people make possibly unfounded conclusions and mistake them for the actual statistics.
| 973 |
Sabnen Tue, May 19, 2009 10:01:06am |
re: #972 Kenneth
Both.
Statistics, today, are massively abused to support un-supportable arguments.
The statistical tests used and statistical writing used for public consumption borders on malpractice.
I can't read any article that throws 'statistics' around to prove a point, unless I see the research methodology used. That doesn't leave me much to read in the public arena. The original research, as published in journals, is the only stuff worth reading for statistical methodology and accuracy . . . and even half of that isn't well done.
| 974 |
justdanny Tue, May 19, 2009 10:10:27am |
re: #971 Son of the Black Dog
I used the Mississippi to be brief. Surely there are many places on many rivers where hydro facilities could be built.
This country that put men on the moon with clear vision and purpose at one time cant now seem t get out of its own way long enough to evolve away from guzzling gas and spewing filth.
When I first learned to ride a bike as a child, I remember a few times careening toward the curb and my fear prevented me from simply slamming the pedal backwards to engage the brakes. I see us like that today, as a society. careening toward some filth filled pond of our own waste and greed, unable through the fear of changing to simply hit the damn brakes.
We'll use every excuse imaginable to say the change cant and shouldnt happen and wear every blinder conceivable to prevent ourselves from seeing the truth of the wretched pond awaiting our splashdown.
| 975 |
SixDegrees Tue, May 19, 2009 10:34:53am |
re: #966 justdanny
Put enough hydro plants on the Mississippi, windmills from Texas to North Dakota and Nuclear plants scattered about the country and You can produce enough electricity to power cars. Let big trucks and planes use gas.
But, just like most things in this country, since we lost our spine in the sixties, we would rather stick than switch.
"Oh no,oh no, what if it hurts and requires work!... waaaaaahwaaaah." We're like a bunch of frikken limp wristed babies these days. Lookin for momma to poke a tit in our mouths or wipe our asses.
To unquote what the wife of the green snake oil salesman said, Maybe for the first time in my life I'm not so proud of this country anymore.
The energy content of the oil consumed in the US on a daily basis is roughly equivalent to 3.6 million megawatt-hours per day.
Current US electrical generating capacity is roughly 10 million megawatt-hours per day.
So you'll need to increase generating capacity by a minimum of around 35% of current capacity to replace all oil. Considerably more than this when you start taking various real-world inefficiencies into account. So let's just say you'll have to double current electrical capacity to match current oil usage. Close enough for a ballpark estimate - let's say within a factor of two either way.
This is a Big Damn Increase. Considering that nuclear plants are currently impossible to build, thanks to excessive regulation, and that coal-fired plants are on the verge of being phased out because of concerns over mercury emissions, it's hard to see where all that electricity is supposed to come from. Wind energy is much too diffuse; hydroelectric is already near maximal capacity.
I'm all for building nukes coast to coast - I'd like to see about a thousand nuclear power plants built over the next couple of decades, which would just about meet the needs outlined above in addition to projected demand for normal growth. But just wishing for electric cars to magically appear based on "Well, it'll happen" ignores reality.
| 976 |
SixDegrees Tue, May 19, 2009 10:37:19am |
re: #974 justdanny
Surely there are many places on many rivers where hydro facilities could be built.
Not really. The nation has pretty well maxed out it's hydroelectric potential. All the reasonable sites are already in use. The very few remaining candidates are in environmentally protected areas; but even adding that capacity would provide no more than a miniscule overall increase.
| 977 |
LGoPs Tue, May 19, 2009 10:43:31am |
re: #958 albusteve
human life means little to liberals...deny it all they want, but the facts prove otherwise
Everything in service of the collective.
| 978 |
justdanny Tue, May 19, 2009 1:10:45pm |
re: #975 SixDegrees
Thanks for the figures. We are stuck for the time being with a need for oil. But clearly we are not stuck needing it to the degree we use it today. The rate at which we are consuming oil and spitting out its toxic residue needs to be reversed. New energy sources arent the only answer. A cultural shift away from throwing fuel willy nilly into the wind combined with new tech and dedication to not accepting oil from unfriendly places can get us closer to the goal of becoming energy self reliant.
As I have said before, if we dont even have the will and fortitude to guard our southern border, how can I ever expect that as a nation we will ween ourselves largely off of the insanely wasteful use of "angry" oil.
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