Ward Churchill Wins, Awarded Princely Sum

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Ward Churchill has won his lawsuit against the University of Colorado: Churchill Snatches Victory From The Slack-Jaws of CU.

The jury has reached its verdict: The University of Colorado at Boulder improperly fired Ethnics Studies professor Ward Churchill; the jury awards Churchill One Dollar in damages.

Since we’ve made no effort to hide our contempt for CU attorney Patrick O’Rourke’s mishandling of his defense of CU, it should come as no surprise to our readers that we now lay CU’s defeat directly at O’Rourke’s clown shoes. Churchill did not win this case; O’Rourke lost it. And since all problems can be traced back to management, CU is the ultimate perpetrator of this four-year (some would say 20-year) farce.

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647 comments

1 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 5:04:42pm

He’s only worth two bits.

2 HelloDare  Apr 2, 2009 5:04:54pm

He can buy a new feather!

3 Mirage  Apr 2, 2009 5:04:57pm

I never get tired of reading that aware and what the jury asked the judge

4 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2009 5:05:02pm

Obama wants his 90 cents!

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Apr 2, 2009 5:05:25pm

Can we rename him Chief Fourbits now? Of the Wannabee tribe?

6 Mirage  Apr 2, 2009 5:05:28pm

re: #3 Mirage

I never get tired of reading that aware award and what the jury asked the judge

Dang it… PIMF

7 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 5:06:25pm

bet cher bottom dollar!….wa sup Ward?…back to the rez?

8 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 5:07:40pm

he should be made to leave CO, never to return for all the fraud he’s perped on the folks up there…talk about a conceited whore

9 NYCHardhat  Apr 2, 2009 5:07:54pm

One more nail in the coffin of higher education.

10 PJ61  Apr 2, 2009 5:08:07pm

he doesnt get his job back ,right?

11 DEZes  Apr 2, 2009 5:08:27pm

Enjoy the can of beans Ward.

12 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 5:08:29pm
13 varmint  Apr 2, 2009 5:08:31pm
14 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 5:08:32pm

Churchill was IMPROPERLY fired by the college?
Churchill was a plagiarist! Shouldn’t that be a firing offense?
C’mon, citizens of Colorado. Do not reinstate this cheat.

15 pegcity  Apr 2, 2009 5:08:47pm

another reason to go to trade school.

electricians make great money

16 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 5:08:53pm

re: #10 PJ61

he doesnt get his job back ,right?

He might.

17 jwpaine  Apr 2, 2009 5:09:23pm

Thanks for the link, Charles!

18 Lincolntf  Apr 2, 2009 5:09:24pm

Worth every penny.

19 right_wing2  Apr 2, 2009 5:09:31pm

And the IQ level at UC Boulder drops another 30 points

20 LGoPs  Apr 2, 2009 5:09:52pm

His last name is an offense to a great man. He should change his name.

21 Emerald  Apr 2, 2009 5:10:29pm

I’m really shocked that he won, but the award is priceless!

22 Lincolntf  Apr 2, 2009 5:10:35pm

re: #20 LGoPs

Hank Hill deserves better!

23 Aviator  Apr 2, 2009 5:10:38pm

re: #10 PJ61

he doesnt get his job back ,right?

CU lost. He won, but the jury only gave him a dollar in damages.

24 jwpaine  Apr 2, 2009 5:10:41pm

re: #10 PJ61

That decision is in the hands of the trial judge, who has given the attorneys in the case 30 days to file motions.

25 LGoPs  Apr 2, 2009 5:12:45pm

This is a great slap in the face to this charlatan. The jury has said that the man’s reputation is worth exactly one buck. And even that’s only because they had to award something, by law.

26 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 5:13:00pm

someone should attack him for his Native claims…he’s all over the place on this and nobody can figure out who the hell he is…if he is a fraud in that regard he should be exposed…falsifying his roots is pretty serious business…especially to a Scot like myself…asshole

27 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 5:13:12pm

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Ward.

28 Wishing  Apr 2, 2009 5:13:48pm

re: #26 albusteve

someone should attack him for his Native claims…he’s all over the place on this and nobody can figure out who the hell he is…if he is a fraud in that regard he should be exposed…falsifying his roots is pretty serious business…especially to a Scot like myself…asshole

Hahahahahahha!

29 NYCHardhat  Apr 2, 2009 5:14:08pm

This man should be tried for the poisoning of young American minds. Fuck him.

30 A Kiwi Infidel  Apr 2, 2009 5:14:25pm

Ward Churchill win a $1.00 .98 .95 .92 .88 .85

Ya better hurry Ward, that buck aint gunna be worth much soon.

31 DEZes  Apr 2, 2009 5:14:27pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Obama wants his 90 cents!

We can think alike sometimes.

32 LGoPs  Apr 2, 2009 5:14:40pm

re: #25 LGoPs

This is a great slap in the face to this charlatan. The jury has said that the man’s reputation is worth exactly one buck. And even that’s only because they had to award something, by law.

Hey…I made an Indian joke and didn’t even know it………
/

33 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2009 5:15:04pm

re: #31 DEZes

Heh. GMTA

34 DEZes  Apr 2, 2009 5:15:23pm

re: #29 NYCHardhat

This man should be tried for the poisoning of young American minds. Fuck him.

Not me, I wont touch the scum bucket. ;)

35 DEZes  Apr 2, 2009 5:15:42pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Heh. GMTA

True that. ;)

36 quickjustice  Apr 2, 2009 5:15:51pm

Who said that the jury system in this country doesn’t work? ;-)

37 OldLineTexan  Apr 2, 2009 5:16:18pm

re: #21 Emerald

I’m really shocked that he won, but the award is priceless!

The real win is the finding that he was unjustly fired … that’s a WIN.

Look for Chief Loose Change to be back preachin’ soon.

38 Lincolntf  Apr 2, 2009 5:16:22pm

For all we know Ward Churchill was just one “Reverend Wright” away from becoming a politician. He seems to fit the clique that produced our current President.

39 LGoPs  Apr 2, 2009 5:16:23pm

Chief Shitting Bull ought to be his tribal name.
/

40 Kenneth  Apr 2, 2009 5:16:36pm

So the Europeans all turned down Obama’s request to take some of the Gitmo prisoners (you know, the ones the Europeans were complaining were unjustly imprisoned)… but no problem. Obama has a taker…

Chavez says he’s willing to take Gitmo inmates

41 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2009 5:16:42pm

(OT) Beck: I’m Wrong - It’s Not Socialism…It’s Much Worse

Liveleak Video
G20 rioter = Tea Party
Obama = Bush
Fascism!

42 Haole  Apr 2, 2009 5:17:04pm

He speaks with forked tongue

43 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 5:17:27pm

Ward the Wampumless…who are his people?…why does no tribe lay claim to this guy?…he should be made to explain himself…I dig Indians and this fuck is no Indian….that pisses me more than any of the rest

44 NYCHardhat  Apr 2, 2009 5:17:43pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

(OT) Beck: I’m Wrong - It’s Not Socialism…It’s Much Worse


[Video]
G20 rioter = Tea Party
Obama = Bush
Fascism!

Fascism
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.

45 ArmyWife  Apr 2, 2009 5:17:53pm

re: #40 Kenneth

hmmm…this is kind of tempting….

46 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 5:17:55pm

re: #36 quickjustice

Who said that the jury system in this country doesn’t work? ;-)

Well, if you had heard the lawyer for CU, you would have decided in Churchill’s favor.

He was horrible. I’ve listened to audio feeds from the courtroom almost every day. I could have done better.

That’s been the talk around town for weeks, the crappy lawyering going on.

47 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 5:18:06pm

I guess I’m not that surprised. It seemed to me from the reports I read about the jury selection that ward’s lawyers were getting their way with the jury pool. As they say- trials are won or lost at jury selection.

48 hopperandadropper  Apr 2, 2009 5:18:07pm

The guy falsified his resume and CU couldn’t make an airtight case for firing him? Jesus wept.

49 DEZes  Apr 2, 2009 5:18:23pm

re: #32 LGoPs

Hey…I made an Indian joke and didn’t even know it………
/

Ward Churchill’s true Indian name is Two Dogs Fucking!

50 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 5:18:23pm
51 FrogMarch  Apr 2, 2009 5:18:30pm

PB is harsh. Caplis and Silverman just had a juror on their radio show. the woman is a ditz. “uh yeah like, you know, like, uh , what was the question?

52 jcm  Apr 2, 2009 5:19:01pm

Lawyer = 33¢
Taxes = 47¢
Parking during trial = $37.00
Net loss = $36.80.

53 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 5:19:03pm

re: #43 albusteve

Ward the Wampumless…who are his people?…why does no tribe lay claim to this guy?…he should be made to explain himself…I dig Indians and this fuck is no Indian….that pisses me more than any of the rest

What do you mean, he’s got a hat?

54 Fenway_Nation  Apr 2, 2009 5:19:27pm

So is he gonna be speaking to high schools a-la William Ayers?

55 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 5:19:54pm

re: #39 LGoPs

Chief Shitting Bull ought to be his tribal name.
/

Sitting Bull was a nobel and honest man that tried everything he could to avoid confrontation and save his people…don’t even go there…he is a real man you are alluding to…he had family, a life, aspirations

56 A Kiwi Infidel  Apr 2, 2009 5:20:02pm

re: #49 DEZes

Ward Churchill’s true Indian name is Two Dogs Fucking!


Good grief, I had that joke regaled to me just yesterday, the punchline is so obvious I could hardly even raise a smile. All the more reason the TDF would be an apprpriate name for this POS

57 WhiteRasta  Apr 2, 2009 5:20:53pm

I rectum Chief Ward’s jury didn’t buy his Manhattan…..

58 nyc redneck  Apr 2, 2009 5:21:06pm

he is a parasite. he is a hoax. the fact that he lied abt. being an indian to become head of the native american studies program is a disgrace, he is thief.
i really hope this faker does not get his job back.
let him flip burgers somewhere. if he is even qualified to do that.

59 NYCHardhat  Apr 2, 2009 5:21:08pm

re: #54 Fenway_Nation

So is he gonna be speaking to high schools a-la William Ayers?

Further emphasizes the greatness of our country. We protect vermin like these two scum bag slobs.

60 A Kiwi Infidel  Apr 2, 2009 5:21:49pm

re: #58 nyc redneck

he is a parasite. he is a hoax. the fact that he lied abt. being an indian to become head of the native american studies program is a disgrace, he is thief.
i really hope this faker does not get his job back.
let him flip burgers birds somewhere. if he is even qualified to do that.

61 FrogMarch  Apr 2, 2009 5:22:07pm

PB is right, though, from what I can tell. O’Rourke was meek. David Lane was a shark and he did a better job.
Big question - will the fraud get his job back? stay tuned.

62 NYCHardhat  Apr 2, 2009 5:22:15pm

re: #58 nyc redneck

he is a parasite. he is a hoax. the fact that he lied abt. being an indian to become head of the native american studies program is a disgrace, he is thief.
i really hope this faker does not get his job back.
let him flip burgers somewhere. if he is even qualified to do that.

put him in NYC. “somebody” will take care of him.

63 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 5:22:41pm

re: #58 nyc redneck

he is a parasite. he is a hoax. the fact that he lied abt. being an indian to become head of the native american studies program is a disgrace, he is thief.
i really hope this faker does not get his job back.
let him flip burgers somewhere. if he is even qualified to do that.

I always enjoy your comments. You have such a knack at cutting through the BS and laying it bare. Thank you for sharing your gift with us.

64 NYCHardhat  Apr 2, 2009 5:23:00pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

I always enjoy your comments. You have such a knack at cutting through the BS and laying it bare. Thank you for sharing your gift with us.

yeah. what she said.

65 WhiteRasta  Apr 2, 2009 5:23:03pm

re: #55 albusteve

Can I call him Chief Sitting Bullshit?

66 jwpaine  Apr 2, 2009 5:23:05pm

re: #51 FrogMarch

“Harsh”? Is that good, or bad? I am unfamiliar with the hip lingo you kids use today…..

67 LGoPs  Apr 2, 2009 5:23:41pm

re: #55 albusteve

Sitting Bull was a nobel and honest man that tried everything he could to avoid confrontation and save his people…don’t even go there…he is a real man you are alluding to…he had family, a life, aspirations

Jeez loueeez. I admire the Indians too. Hell, any man I might have referenced would have had a life and family and aspirations too…….

68 Pyroskank  Apr 2, 2009 5:23:51pm

Is it legally possible to award damages of $0.01?

69 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 5:24:07pm
70 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 5:24:33pm

For nyc redneck

Youtube Video

71 quickjustice  Apr 2, 2009 5:24:45pm

Despite the verdict, and CU’s horrible defense, the jury thought it all was only worth a buck.

72 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 5:24:54pm

re: #65 WhiteRasta

Can I call him Chief Sitting Bullshit?

I resent linking this turd in any way to as fine a man as Sitting Bull…he was the real deal and suffered unbearably at the hand of the US Army

73 DEZes  Apr 2, 2009 5:25:01pm

re: #69 Iron Fist

Have you ever read Hannibal? There’s a line in it that is too funny. It is that Barney (Lecter’s nurse in the insane asylum) looked at a guy like the “left and right hemispheres of his brain were two dogs stuck together”. It is very funny :-)

Never read it, is it worth the read?

74 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Apr 2, 2009 5:25:10pm

100 red Indian Head Cents be upon him.

75 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 5:25:15pm
76 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2009 5:25:34pm

re: #44 NYCHardhat

I’m not really surprised that he’s starting to see the radical leftists as part of his popular uprising. The moronic convergence is here. I am a little surprised to hear him refer to bush as a fascist but I guess it fits in with the Ron Paul influence.

77 nyc redneck  Apr 2, 2009 5:25:40pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

thank you. i enjoys your comments too.

78 NYCHardhat  Apr 2, 2009 5:26:13pm
79 nyc redneck  Apr 2, 2009 5:26:32pm

re: #64 NYCHardhat

;)

80 WhiteRasta  Apr 2, 2009 5:26:35pm

re: #72 albusteve

OK, then. I tend to agree with you there …

81 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 5:26:35pm
82 Fenway_Nation  Apr 2, 2009 5:27:01pm

re: #59 NYCHardhat

Makes me wonder if Canada will let him in…..

Freedom of speech had little to do with it- they were excercising common sense by refusing entry to Ayers and Galloway.

83 NYCHardhat  Apr 2, 2009 5:27:12pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

I’m not really surprised that he’s starting to see the radical leftists as part of his popular uprising. The moronic convergence is here. I am a little surprised to hear him refer to bush as a fascist but I guess it fits in with the Ron Paul influence.

Beck jumped the shark long ago.

84 quickjustice  Apr 2, 2009 5:27:16pm

re: #71 quickjustice

You have a point. Churchill defames all native Americans with his asinine schtick.

85 WhiteRasta  Apr 2, 2009 5:27:17pm

re: #75 Iron Fist

Chief Bull Shitting?

86 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 5:27:24pm

re: #67 LGoPs

Jeez loueeez. I admire the Indians too. Hell, any man I might have referenced would have had a life and family and aspirations too…….

it’s not you…

87 Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2009 5:27:33pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

(OT) Beck: I’m Wrong - It’s Not Socialism…It’s Much Worse


[Video]
G20 rioter = Tea Party
Obama = Bush
Fascism!

Glenn Beck is an irresponsible moron. I cannot stand the guy.

88 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2009 5:27:40pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

There’s also a lot of 3rd party talk among the Tea Party folks lately (Newt, Malkin). That might be a good thing.

89 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 5:27:54pm
90 LGoPs  Apr 2, 2009 5:28:08pm

re: #86 albusteve

it’s not you…

?

91 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 5:28:33pm

re: #58 nyc redneck

he is a parasite. he is a hoax. the fact that he lied abt. being an indian to become head of the native american studies program is a disgrace, he is thief.
i really hope this faker does not get his job back.
let him flip burgers somewhere. if he is even qualified to do that.

I would doubt that.

92 davinvalkri  Apr 2, 2009 5:28:44pm

re: #58 nyc redneck

he is a parasite. he is a hoax. the fact that he lied abt. being an indian to become head of the native american studies program is a disgrace, he is thief.
i really hope this faker does not get his job back.
let him flip burgers somewhere. if he is even qualified to do that.

Remember kids! Lying about your ethnicity to gain academic advantage, and then using that advantage to slander your country is a perfectly acceptable function in the U.S.!
/not even worth spitting.

93 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 5:28:56pm

re: #65 WhiteRasta

Can I call him Chief Sitting Bullshit?

I prefer to call him Dances-With-Facts, a moniker coined by Dennis Miller.

94 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 5:28:57pm
95 PISSED  Apr 2, 2009 5:29:02pm

#40 Kenneth

Don’t worry nothing to fear..
/sarc

#41 Kilgore

Thanks for the link!

96 Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2009 5:29:04pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

There’s also a lot of 3rd party talk among the Tea Party folks lately (Newt, Malkin). That might be a good thing.

Doubtful. The third party they’re talking about would be an extreme right party.

97 FrogMarch  Apr 2, 2009 5:29:06pm

re: #66 jwpaine

“Harsh”? Is that good, or bad? I am unfamiliar with the hip lingo you kids use today…..

I have been listening to Caplis and Silverman, two local CO talk show guys who have given listeners a ton of info about Churchill over the years. Including audio that most people have never heard. (way beyond the 9/11/ little Eichmann essay) anyway - Caplis and Silverman are very restrained in their criticism of O’Rourke. but I can tell they want to lay into him. (they wont’)
So, in comparison, PB (Pirate Ballerina) is harsh. Really harsh. But I tend to agree.

98 nyc redneck  Apr 2, 2009 5:29:15pm

i love that he only got the nominal dollar award.
that’s a slap in his face from the jury.
i just wish they could have found that he was fired w/ cause.

99 NYCHardhat  Apr 2, 2009 5:29:17pm

re: #91 The Other Les

I would doubt that.

You’re right. He is like every lib leftist I have ever met. Destroy everything.

100 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 5:29:22pm

re: #87 Charles

Glenn Beck is an irresponsible moron. I cannot stand the guy.

join the crowd…he’s a ratings whore and eventually will cut his own conservative throat for his paycheck…I don’t trust any of these pretty people

101 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2009 5:29:23pm

re: #87 Charles

I’m starting to enjoy him. Sorta like Benny Hinn and Ron Paul’s love child.

102 wrenchwench  Apr 2, 2009 5:29:38pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

There’s also a lot of 3rd party talk among the Tea Party folks lately (Newt, Malkin). That might be a good thing.

I don’t see how. No matter what your political desires are, a third party has got to be the hardest way to get there. Unless your desires are chaos and useless flailing.

103 DEZes  Apr 2, 2009 5:29:38pm

re: #81 Iron Fist

Oh, yeah. Much better than the movie. I wouldn’t want to give anything away, but it is very good.

I never watched the movie, I will put the book on my to read list.
Thanks a bunch.

104 quickjustice  Apr 2, 2009 5:29:47pm

re: #87 Charles

Beck: Hurray for the anarchists? I don’t get it.

105 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 5:29:55pm

re: #87 Charles

Years ago I gave his radio show a try. Listened for about a week when I decided I just wasn’t that impressed.

106 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 5:30:06pm

re: #71 quickjustice

Despite the verdict, and CU’s horrible defense, the jury thought it all was only worth a buck.

A juror was just on the radio. That’s not quite true. The juror said that David lane, Churchill’s lawyer, really didn’t spend barely any time on discussing money.

Lane didn’t even mention money until closing arguments, and he sort fo blew it off with a statement (paraphrase) “Is this worth a dollar or 25 million, that’s up to you” but he didn’t give them any details on how they could gauge the amount.

The juror said that 5 of the 6 jurors wanted to award the 25 million, but the 6th juror convince them there wasn’t enough instructions and information from Lane for them to make that decision, so they went with the dollar.

107 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 5:30:06pm

re: #90 LGoPs

?

I have no beef with you…that’s all

108 pink freud  Apr 2, 2009 5:30:11pm

OT, but I have to catch the ladies before they all retire for the evening. All in the name of cattiness. (Get those barf bags ready, folks)

I’ll just post snippets, this piece is long:

“The excitement British women feel about the arrival of Michelle Obama in London for the G-20 summit is spiked with awe. She’s so big-time. So self-confident. So devoid of rainy, British diffidence. In a country where most political wives and female members of Parliament are the stylistic equivalent of a tufted ottoman, Michelle’s kind of striding self-assurance, glamour, and broad demographic appeal feels thrillingly 21st-century. The fact that she’s African American adds an inspirational magic.

t was smart of France’s ravishing first lady, Carla Bruni, to let her husband go to the conference without her. The second Madame Sarkozy was a big wow when she visited London last March, but she’s a shrewd enough PR hand to know she would suffer in comparison to the first and only Mrs. Obama. Carla is old news next to Michelle.

That fake-demure little Dior suit she wore to lunch with Queen Elizabeth seemed in retrospect like the kind of get-up a reformed hooker might wear to meet her latest CEO for lunch at the Savoy.

One of the many appeal points of Michelle to the Brits is that her casual elegance feels as if it came out of her own closet on her own salary.

Even Princess Diana took a long time to get it right. She took a fraught sartorial journey through operatic Ascot hats and bodybuilder shoulder pads before she arrived, in those final three years before her death, at an easy, breezy freedom of style that Michelle exudes already.

…British monarch is as eager as all her countrywomen to come face to face with the future. When she looks into Michelle’s wide, warm eyes, she will see someone whose strength she will recognize at once as a new kind of Queen.”

And that ladies and gents, is the difference in how the left and the right views WAB.

109 WhiteRasta  Apr 2, 2009 5:30:18pm

re: #87 Charles

Maybe President Obama might make Beck the Ass-Clown general of the USA?

110 LGoPs  Apr 2, 2009 5:30:31pm

re: #107 albusteve

I have no beef with you…that’s all

Gotcha. Same here.
:)

111 NYCHardhat  Apr 2, 2009 5:30:46pm

Hey Ironfist,

What do you think of the Mossberg 590?

112 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 5:30:55pm

re: #62 NYCHardhat

put him in NYC. “somebody” will take care of him.

Let’s not bring the Large Sicilian Gentlemen from New JerseyTM into this.

113 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2009 5:31:03pm

re: #96 Charles

Doubtful. The third party they’re talking about would be an extreme right party.

That’s why it would be good for the Republicans. It would lessen the influence of Ron Paul’s economics policy on the GOP. It would clear out a lot of nuts.

114 quickjustice  Apr 2, 2009 5:31:14pm

re: #96 Charles

Gingrich is addressing the Tea Party in NYC on April 15. We’ll see how it goes down.

115 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 5:32:02pm

re: #65 WhiteRasta

Can I call him Chief Sitting Bullshit?

How about Chief Bull Dropping?

116 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 5:32:07pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

That’s why it would be good for the Republicans. It would lessen the influence of Ron Paul’s economics policy on the GOP. It would clear out a lot of nuts.

I agree with you. Let the nuts leave and go elsewhere.

117 FrogMarch  Apr 2, 2009 5:32:09pm

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

yes… and Lane said something to like “the money part is easy”. Lane probably assumed his little pack of 19 year old jurors would easily hand over the money. (this is my assumption)

118 Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2009 5:32:31pm

Bill O’Reilly is ranting away about the evil atheists again.

119 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 5:32:38pm

re: #108 pink freud

What does WAB mean again?

120 pink freud  Apr 2, 2009 5:32:59pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

What does WAB mean again?

Whiney Ass Bitch.

121 LGoPs  Apr 2, 2009 5:33:03pm

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

A juror was just on the radio. That’s not quite true. The juror said that David lane, Churchill’s lawyer, really didn’t spend barely any time on discussing money.

Lane didn’t even mention money until closing arguments, and he sort fo blew it off with a statement (paraphrase) “Is this worth a dollar or 25 million, that’s up to you” but he didn’t give them any details on how they could gauge the amount.

The juror said that 5 of the 6 jurors wanted to award the 25 million, but the 6th juror convince them there wasn’t enough instructions and information from Lane for them to make that decision, so they went with the dollar.

That doesn’t make any sense. the vast majority of the jury was for $25 Million and since the defense lawyer wasn’t cogent enough they went for a buck?
Huh?

122 NYCHardhat  Apr 2, 2009 5:33:17pm

re: #112 The Other Les

Let’s not bring the Large Sicilian Gentlemen from New JerseyTM into this.

I’m talking about all the “Little Eichmanns” he was refering to.

But the Sicilians would do just fine. ;)

123 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 5:33:24pm

re: #118 Charles

Bill O’Reilly is ranting away about the evil atheists again.

What did they do now to piss him off?

124 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2009 5:33:33pm

re: #116 Sharmuta

Maybe they’d take the more extreme elements of the religious right with them. I’m not sure if Newt could pull that off but it might happen.

125 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 5:33:36pm

re: #111 NYCHardhat

Hey Ironfist,

What do you think of the Mossberg 590?

Fist uses his bare hands to do what that Mossy does…jus sayin

126 Photon Cowboy  Apr 2, 2009 5:33:45pm

This must suck ! You spend your whole life waiting for your ship to come in , and when it does it’s only worth a single freaking Dollar. I’m glad that instead of waiting I learned how to build a dock to make easier for that ship to come in.
All I have to say to WC is that now you are equal to the rest of the poor people in America who won’t get a job. I respect you for that!


//I’ll see you when I hit the drive thru , Walt.

127 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 5:34:15pm
128 Fenway_Nation  Apr 2, 2009 5:34:21pm

re: #118 Charles

I kinda had O’Rielly pegged as a buffoonish charichture of the right that the MSM and left could use to paint the right with a broad brush….

see also Falwell, Robertson etc….

129 NYCHardhat  Apr 2, 2009 5:34:22pm

re: #125 albusteve

Fist uses his bare hands to do what that Mossy does…jus sayin

I knew he was a badass.

130 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 5:34:42pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

Maybe they’d take the more extreme elements of the religious right with them. I’m not sure if Newt could pull that off but it might happen.

That would be nice. I’ll settle for them taking the bigots, though.

131 Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2009 5:35:07pm

He’s praising Mel Gibson’s ‘Passion of the Christ’ movie now.

Which, by the way, I rented recently just to see what it was about. It’s an extremely bizarre movie, almost pornographic in its depiction of violence, and yes, I think it is arguably antisemitic.

132 jamgarr  Apr 2, 2009 5:35:22pm

Just pray that the court doesn’t fall for the post-trial argument that challenges only the amount of the damages. It goes like this - we know the jury determined that Mr. C. was wronged. We also know that being wrongfully terminated necessarily results in significant damages. Therefore, give me more. (It’s called additur)

133 PISSED  Apr 2, 2009 5:35:32pm

re: #96 Charles

Charles I’m thinking we are needing a centrist party.. gives a little to both sides , BUT it will take alot of work. I feel that most of the people I talk to about the issues are in the middle. I dont know how the nuts seem to get their agendas pushed. Maybe all the middle of the road people are busy working and caring for their families?

134 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 5:35:56pm

re: #118 Charles

Bill O’Reilly is ranting away about the evil atheists again.

I think he’s calling attention to a relevant issue. The growth of atheism alarms me and I would like to see it reversed.

135 OldLineTexan  Apr 2, 2009 5:36:00pm

Mossberg 590 good firestick. Make big hole. Work hard. Made by palefaces. Big medicine.

/Ward Churchill, Wal-Mart sportng goods asociate

136 quickjustice  Apr 2, 2009 5:36:05pm

re: #121 LGoPs

The lawyer didn’t prove up his damages. That’s required as a matter of law. What puzzles me about this assertion is that there’s a lot of space between $1 and $25 million. It doesn’t ring true that the jury was thinking only about one number or the other. If they went with $1 instead of $25 million, they weren’t exactly fired up about a big number.

137 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 5:36:14pm

re: #130 Sharmuta

That would be nice. I’ll settle for them taking the bigots, though.

a dream come true…maybe we should promote it

138 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 5:36:16pm

re: #87 Charles

Glenn Beck is an irresponsible moron. I cannot stand the guy.

* * * *
Beck admitted he was a “rodeo clown” earlier in his career.
He mugs into the camera like Pee Wee Herman.
But he can be serious, interesting & entertaining, unlike David Letterman.

139 Lincolntf  Apr 2, 2009 5:36:49pm

Typical of much of the dumbed down version of America we’re living in. Call someone “Macaca” and you’re public enemy number one, designate entire classes of people as war-criminals deserving of death and you go on “The View”.

I hope Ward uses his dollar to get a haircut. The Indian act don’t fly any more, Chief.

140 OldLineTexan  Apr 2, 2009 5:37:11pm

re: #138 alegrias

* * * *
Beck admitted he was a “rodeo clown” earlier in his career.
He mugs into the camera like Pee Wee Herman.
But he can be serious, interesting & entertaining, unlike David Letterman.

You know, a “rodeo clown” ain’t really out there for the schtick, right?

141 Wishing  Apr 2, 2009 5:37:41pm

re: #138 alegrias

* * * *
Beck admitted he was a “rodeo clown” earlier in his career.
He mugs into the camera like Pee Wee Herman.
But he can be serious, interesting & entertaining, unlike David Letterman.

I caught :Letterman’s monologue last night at work. First joke of the night was to make fun of Bush.
/spit

142 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 5:38:15pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

There’s also a lot of 3rd party talk among the Tea Party folks lately (Newt, Malkin). That might be a good thing.

* * * *
If you want to fracture any GOP team that might beat the Democrats.

143 victor_yugo  Apr 2, 2009 5:38:16pm

Let’s see, Chief Bullshitter wins $1.00 in a court judgment.

Income tax will claim anywhere from 12% to 33% of it, leaving $0.67-0.88.

But in order to comply with the law (right, as if he cares about that), it’ll cost him more in his time, or someone else’s time, to fill out the declaration paperwork properly.

So, in the end, it still costs him.

Of course, CU probably still has to pay his attorney’s fees.

144 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 5:38:18pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

I think he’s calling attention to a relevant issue. The growth of atheism alarms me and I would like to see it reversed.

Why should the right of free exercise alarm you?

145 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 5:38:27pm

re: #121 LGoPs

That doesn’t make any sense. the vast majority of the jury was for $25 Million and since the defense lawyer wasn’t cogent enough they went for a buck?
Huh?

Yes it does. I was on a jury of eight deciding on a 16 year old male anal rape of a 14 year old male, in the county detention.

It was evident that the boy did it, but the state screwed up the paperwork and the investigation so big time (didn’t even spell the kids name right) that we had to let him go.

It was 7 to convict until I pointed out that the state screwed up and legal protocol was not followed. The 7 changed their mind.

Same thing happened here.

And I have heard the audio from the courtroom for the last month. Lane did not take his time and instruct the jury on the money.

I’m just relating fact, not opinion.

146 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 5:38:58pm

Updated from 9News Colorado

If the verdict stands, CU will have to pay Churchill’s legal fees and Lane says that could be hundreds of thousands of dollars.

The judge will now decide whether Churchill will return and begin teaching at CU again. His attorney, David Lane, says that is what Churchill wants. Lane says if CU opposes, there will be a hearing.

CU says it will oppose his return to the classroom, but wouldn’t provide specifics.

Lane says the judge has no choice but to let Churchill teach again at CU. Lane says if Churchill is reinstated and CU doesn’t give him back something equivalent to his old job, that would be grounds for another lawsuit.

147 Aviator  Apr 2, 2009 5:39:02pm

re: #109 WhiteRasta

Maybe President Obama might make Beck the Ass-Clown general of the USA?

Already taken by turbo tax Timmy.

148 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 5:39:07pm

all rodeo clowns are militant gays…there is a very active sub-cult surrounding this niche occupation….Time magazine did a story about it several years ago

149 Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2009 5:39:15pm

Hot Air delinks Age of Hooper, after he complains about antisemitic commenters:

ageofhooper.wordpress.com

150 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 5:39:19pm

re: #131 Charles

He’s praising Mel Gibson’s ‘Passion of the Christ’ movie now.

Which, by the way, I rented recently just to see what it was about. It’s an extremely bizarre movie, almost pornographic in its depiction of violence, and yes, I think it is arguably antisemitic.

Some people refer to it as The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre.

151 jamgarr  Apr 2, 2009 5:39:25pm

If C’s atty actually suggested that $1 was among the possibilities for reasonable damages he is screwed. (Might have a good malpractice suit though.)

152 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 5:39:44pm

re: #140 OldLineTexan

You know, a “rodeo clown” ain’t really out there for the schtick, right?

* * * *
No, I don’t know anything about rodeo clowning, never been to a rodeo.

But Beck can do clowning & mugging for effect, as comedians used to do.

153 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 5:40:14pm

re: #144 Sharmuta

Why should the right of free exercise alarm you?

I’m not alarmed by the right, but I don’t like how people are using it. It’s their choice to make, but I feel they are making the wrong choice.

154 FrogMarch  Apr 2, 2009 5:40:38pm

re: #87 Charles

Glenn Beck is an irresponsible moron. I cannot stand the guy.

I do not watch his show at all, but occasionally I will listen in to parts of his radio show. The other day it was a mix of funny (mocking the NY Times / and the bizarre.) He kept saying “white”, like there’s a war on whites. No good.

155 jwpaine  Apr 2, 2009 5:41:35pm

re: #97 FrogMarch

They emailed me for an interview today, but the email wound up in my junk folder; I didn’t find it until it was too late. They interviewed me a couple of times back when all this crap hit the fan in 2005, but they stopped calling after I disagreed with something they obviously wanted me to agree with (what, exactly, I don’t recall). I got the impression they wanted me to validate their theories, some of which I agree with, and others—such as their belief that CU defense attorney Patrick O’Rourke should have played all those incendiary audio clips for the jury—I do not, for reasons I’ve posted on PB.

What O’Rourke needed to do was impeach each one of Churchill attorney David Lane put on the stand to swear what a great scholar & all-around swell guy Churchill is. Each one of them has made a ridiculous (and easily refutable) assertion about Churchill in print.

156 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 5:42:12pm

re: #68 Pyroskank

Is it legally possible to award damages of $0.01?

I’m not a lawyer [no, really], but I’ve never seen less than $1.
My lawyer said that is standard when -0- is what you’d award, or use to establish a price.

157 KingKenrod  Apr 2, 2009 5:42:29pm

I don’t like Bill O’Reilly much, but his atheism segment seemed pretty sedate and I agreed with most of what he said, particularly when he pointed out that the media eagerly attacks Christians when given the chance, but not Islam because of fears of violence.

158 kansas  Apr 2, 2009 5:42:32pm

re: #145 Walter L. Newton

Yes it does. I was on a jury of eight deciding on a 16 year old male anal rape of a 14 year old male, in the county detention.

It was evident that the boy did it, but the state screwed up the paperwork and the investigation so big time (didn’t even spell the kids name right) that we had to let him go.

It was 7 to convict until I pointed out that the state screwed up and legal protocol was not followed. The 7 changed their mind.

Same thing happened here.

And I have heard the audio from the courtroom for the last month. Lane did not take his time and instruct the jury on the money.

I’m just relating fact, not opinion.

So the judge’s instructions were to let a rapist go if the paperwork wasn’t proper? No wonder we are fucked.

159 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 5:42:45pm

re: #133 PISSED

Charles I’m thinking we are needing a centrist party.. gives a little to both sides , BUT it will take alot of work. I feel that most of the people I talk to about the issues are in the middle. I dont know how the nuts seem to get their agendas pushed. Maybe all the middle of the road people are busy working and caring for their families?

Maybe it’s time to shift the political spectrum from the horizontal to the vertical.

Up for Reason and Liberty and Down for Superstition and Tyranny.

(Ha! Down with Superstition and Tyranny! Works for me.)

160 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 5:43:11pm

re: #154 FrogMarch

I do not watch his show at all, but occasionally I will listen in to parts of his radio show. The other day it was a mix of funny (mocking the NY Times / and the bizarre.) He kept saying “white”, like there’s a war on whites. No good.

Beck is on a roll…there is no predicting what he might say or do…one thing for certain is eventually he will lose focus on conservatism and think more and more about his gig

161 jamgarr  Apr 2, 2009 5:43:11pm

Nothing wrong with a $.01 verdict (all other considerations aside)

162 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2009 5:43:21pm

re: #142 alegrias

I don’t think the Tea Party’s economic policies will play well with the public. Way too close to Ron Paul’s.

163 quickjustice  Apr 2, 2009 5:43:52pm

re: #131 Charles

I thought “Passion” excessively violent. All of Gibson’s stuff is excessively violent, however. I think he equates violence with passion. The movie had a lot of Gibson in it, and a lot less of Jesus.

By way of example, in the flogging scene, the Roman soldiers strike Jesus with a scourge (a whip with pieces of jagged metal embedded in it to tear flesh) approximately sixty (60) times. In real life, ten (10) strokes would cause unconsciousness. Thirty (30) would cause death. Yet Gibson’s Jesus remains conscious throughout, and is able to continue through to the crucifixion. Superhuman? Or exaggerated violence?

Many Christians found the movie uplifting. It was a bestseller at the box office. Gibson sold the story that he was blacklisted by Hollywood for trying to make a movie about Jesus, creating the impression that he’s a conservative. In fact, Gibson is a Democrat.

164 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 5:43:55pm

re: #149 Charles

Hot Air delinks Age of Hooper, because he complained about antisemitic commenters:

[Link: ageofhooper.wordpress.com…]

I have made this comment many time before on LGF, so many time that I will now put it in quotes…

“If you have ever asked the question of how what happened in the 1930’s could have happened, please pay attention this time.”

165 WhiteRasta  Apr 2, 2009 5:43:57pm

re: #140 OldLineTexan

Rodeo clown? I thought he was an ass-Clown.

166 KingKenrod  Apr 2, 2009 5:44:01pm

I don’t read the comments at hot air anymore. It’s getting as bad as free republic over there. How depressing.

167 Lincolntf  Apr 2, 2009 5:44:06pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

Keep saying it Killgore, that’ll make it true.

168 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 5:44:12pm

re: #118 Charles

Bill O’Reilly is ranting away about the evil atheists again.

Bill O’Reilly seems to forget that in the United States of America we are free to practice or not practice whatever religion we choose to adhere to.

169 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 5:44:23pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

I’m starting to enjoy him. Sorta like Benny Hinn and Ron Paul’s love child.

I really just cannot appreciate Glenn Beck.
They’ve got to do better than that!

170 FrogMarch  Apr 2, 2009 5:44:32pm

re: #155 jwpaine

I didn’t realize you are from PB. Interesting.

171 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 5:44:41pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

I’m not alarmed by the right, but I don’t like how people are using it. It’s their choice to make, but I feel they are making the wrong choice.

That’s the trade off in a free society. People might make decisions for themselves that you don’t agree with, as they likely don’t agree with yours. As long as they’re not infringing upon your right to exercise your religion freely, than what’s the problem?

172 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 5:44:41pm

re: #141 Wishing

I caught :Letterman’s monologue last night at work. First joke of the night was to make fun of Bush.
/spit

I will not waste perfectly good urine on David Letterman’s grave.

173 BatGuano  Apr 2, 2009 5:45:43pm

re: #131 Charles

My wife and saw it at a theater and I did not at the time think it was antisemitic. Subsequently, Gibson has shown himself to be antisemitic. I will have to watch it again. I have it on DVD and it will be the last time I watch a Mel Gibson movie.

174 DEZes  Apr 2, 2009 5:45:47pm

re: #172 The Other Les

I will not waste perfectly good urine on David Letterman’s grave.

How about a dance?

175 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 5:45:49pm

re: #157 KingKenrod

I don’t like Bill O’Reilly much, but his atheism segment seemed pretty sedate and I agreed with most of what he said, particularly when he pointed out that the media eagerly attacks Christians when given the chance, but not Islam because of fears of violence.

Thank you, I agree with you. If you’ve got Tivo, check out the next segment: It deals with those anti-police scumbags in Oakland. It’s worth a viewing.

176 PISSED  Apr 2, 2009 5:46:03pm

re: #159 The Other Les

I agree! Just live and let live..
Up here in New Hampshire the motto is “live free or die”
and they sure arent following that motto lately : (

177 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 5:46:11pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

I don’t think the Tea Party’s economic policies will play well with the public. Way too close to Ron Paul’s.

the public doesn’t even know who Ron Paul is…the rest is predictable since it’s a grass roots movement…you were not around in the mid and late sixties I gather…

178 WhiteRasta  Apr 2, 2009 5:46:28pm

re: #172 The Other Les

Is that senile idiot still on? He was never even the slightest bit amusing.

179 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 5:46:42pm

re: #118 Charles

Bill O’Reilly is ranting away about the evil atheists again.

* * * *
Attacks on Christianity are so repetitive. O’Reilly played the clip of Bill Maher accusing Catholic clergy of doing “buggery in volume”.

Does Maher ever whine about other religions or is he fixated on Catholicism?

180 rightymouse  Apr 2, 2009 5:46:45pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

I don’t think the Tea Party’s economic policies will play well with the public. Way too close to Ron Paul’s.

And what are those policies?

181 Dr. Shalit  Apr 2, 2009 5:47:12pm

Everyone -

With regard to the “Cigar Store Indian” - WARD CHURCHILL - His Fraudulence -
Don’t Go Away Mad/Angry - JUST GET LOST! I have other stories I could tell about “Fake Indians” - a story for another day and time. That is all.

-S-

182 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 5:47:15pm

re: #155 jwpaine

They emailed me for an interview today, but the email wound up in my junk folder; I didn’t find it until it was too late. They interviewed me a couple of times back when all this crap hit the fan in 2005, but they stopped calling after I disagreed with something they obviously wanted me to agree with (what, exactly, I don’t recall). I got the impression they wanted me to validate their theories, some of which I agree with, and others—such as their belief that CU defense attorney Patrick O’Rourke should have played all those incendiary audio clips for the jury—I do not, for reasons I’ve posted on PB.

What O’Rourke needed to do was impeach each one of Churchill attorney David Lane put on the stand to swear what a great scholar & all-around swell guy Churchill is. Each one of them has made a ridiculous (and easily refutable) assertion about Churchill in print.

Personally, it’s evident to me that Dan and Craig have lost their professional perspective in regards to Churchill. On the radio they sound more like vindictive gutter attorneys, then smart lawyers.

183 Archimedes  Apr 2, 2009 5:47:46pm

re: #154 FrogMarch

I do not watch his show at all, but occasionally I will listen in to parts of his radio show. The other day it was a mix of funny (mocking the NY Times / and the bizarre.) He kept saying “white”, like there’s a war on whites. No good.

There is from multiculturalists, because they sell the propaganda that whites are oppressors. You will often hear with a sneer the phrase “white male”, as if that’s supposed to be a negative thing.

184 Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2009 5:48:00pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

I think he’s calling attention to a relevant issue. The growth of atheism alarms me and I would like to see it reversed.

Since people have the freedom in America to believe or not believe anything they like, I’m not sure how you think it’s possible to “reverse” this.

185 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 5:48:08pm

re: #172 The Other Les

I will not waste perfectly good urine on David Letterman’s grave.

Did you see O’Reilly on Letterman earlier this week?
O’Reilly dealt with him perfectly.
Left Letterman speechless.

186 nyc redneck  Apr 2, 2009 5:48:13pm

re: #108 pink freud

pink, this is my take on your post,
carla bruni didn’t show up because it was boring to her and she had nothing to prove. how odd the british press is trying to create a competitive situation between her and wab,
there is no contest,
if carla had come, all eyes would have been on her.
wab would have been mostly ignored.
i;m betting that most regular brits find her, not a regal admirable person but rather an awkward sort of frightening entity, w/ no style at all.
there is no way this frump can be compared to jackie o either,
who would have given carla a little competition.

187 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 5:48:44pm

re: #171 Sharmuta

That’s the trade off in a free society. People might make decisions for themselves that you don’t agree with, as they likely don’t agree with yours. As long as they’re not infringing upon your right to exercise your religion freely, than what’s the problem?

I worry that the growth of atheism mirrors the the decline in morals in the country, that is my problem. Its not an issue to be addressed by laws, but by advocacy. You may be assured, Sharm, that my disapproval of peoples choices does not lead me to want to force them to rescind those choices.

188 jcm  Apr 2, 2009 5:48:46pm

re: #125 albusteve

Fist uses his bare hands to do what that Mossy does…jus sayin

Chuck Norris is afraid of Fist………

189 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 5:48:57pm

re: #131 Charles

He’s praising Mel Gibson’s ‘Passion of the Christ’ movie now.

Which, by the way, I rented recently just to see what it was about. It’s an extremely bizarre movie, almost pornographic in its depiction of violence, and yes, I think it is arguably antisemitic.

* * * *
The Roman legionnaires who whipped or flogged Jesus and poke his side don’t come off great, that’s for sure.

190 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 5:49:20pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

I think he’s calling attention to a relevant issue. The growth of atheism alarms me and I would like to see it reversed.

Boo!

191 DEZes  Apr 2, 2009 5:49:39pm

re: #185 J.D.

Did you see O’Reilly on Letterman earlier this week?
O’Reilly dealt with him perfectly.
Left Letterman speechless.

Loan him Obama’s teleprompter. ;)

192 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 5:50:06pm

re: #179 alegrias

* * * *
Attacks on Christianity are so repetitive. O’Reilly played the clip of Bill Maher accusing Catholic clergy of doing “buggery in volume”.

Does Maher ever whine about other religions or is he fixated on Catholicism?

Just a thought but…

Judging atheists by Bill Maher is akin to judging Christians by Jerry Falwell.

193 Killian Bundy  Apr 2, 2009 5:50:12pm

US House Passes $3.55T Budget Resolution

The U.S. House passed a $3.55 trillion budget blueprint that would clear that way for President Barack Obama’s major policy initiatives but which saw heavy criticism from Republicans for expanding the reach of the federal government.

The resolution would set funding levels for fiscal year 2010, which begins October 1. The bill contains slightly less spending than Obama’s $3.6 billion budget blueprint.

The House passed its version of the budget resolution by a 233-196 vote. No Republicans voted for the resolution.

/way to go House Republicans, make the Bonkeys own this fiscally irresponsible travesty

194 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 5:50:18pm

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

I worry that the growth of atheism mirrors the the decline in morals in the country, that is my problem. Its not an issue to be addressed by laws, but by advocacy. You may be assured, Sharm, that my disapproval of peoples choices does not lead me to want to force them to rescind those choices.

Boy oh boy, you must hang around with the wrong atheist.

195 OldLineTexan  Apr 2, 2009 5:50:18pm

re: #152 alegrias

* * * *
No, I don’t know anything about rodeo clowning, never been to a rodeo.

But Beck can do clowning & mugging for effect, as comedians used to do.

A rodeo clown is a willing target for a pissed-off bull, to get him away from a fallen or injured rider. The mugging and theatrics are to get the bull’s attention. The clown stuff is to keep from scaring the kiddies.

Beck is not using “rodeo clown” as in “I’m an entertaining idiot” … I would suspect it’s more like “I’m making a spectacle of myself to save YOU.”

A wee bit much for me, but there you have it.

196 Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2009 5:50:26pm

re: #179 alegrias

* * * *
Attacks on Christianity are so repetitive. O’Reilly played the clip of Bill Maher accusing Catholic clergy of doing “buggery in volume”.

Does Maher ever whine about other religions or is he fixated on Catholicism?

In Ireland, the number of Catholic children who were molested by priests are the majority. Not the minority. Maher might have been using offensive language, but in one sense he’s right — the number of children molested in that scandal was absolutely unconscionable.

And yes, if you watch Maher’s movie “Religulous,” he certainly does criticize other religions, including Islam.

197 Archimedes  Apr 2, 2009 5:50:37pm

re: #185 J.D.

Did you see O’Reilly on Letterman earlier this week?
O’Reilly dealt with him perfectly.
Left Letterman speechless.

I’m not a fan of O’Reilly, but now you have me curious.

198 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 5:50:46pm

re: #142 alegrias

* * * *
If you want to fracture any GOP team that might beat the Democrats.

The Republican Party needs to face up to the fact that politics as usual is no longer an option. The GOP has compromised with and appeased the other side too many time. It has strengthened the other side and harmed us.

It the Wiemar Republic this behavior was called cattle trading, we call it bipartisanship. And like the Germans we are now facing the rise of a totalitarian political cult with its own divinely appointed leader.

If the GOP doesn’t clean up its act then we have no choice but to start a new party.

199 kansas  Apr 2, 2009 5:50:52pm

re: #185 J.D.

Did you see O’Reilly on Letterman earlier this week?
O’Reilly dealt with him perfectly.
Left Letterman speechless.

Letterman must be on the Democrat fax list. His main talking point seemed to be that Rush Limbaugh is fat.

200 victor_yugo  Apr 2, 2009 5:51:28pm

re: #131 Charles

He’s praising Mel Gibson’s ‘Passion of the Christ’ movie now.

Which, by the way, I rented recently just to see what it was about. It’s an extremely bizarre movie, almost pornographic in its depiction of violence, and yes, I think it is arguably antisemitic.

Your analysis is in harmony with that of Andrew Sullivan.

201 Taqiyyotomist  Apr 2, 2009 5:51:33pm

Falcon, if you’re a Christian, you should know this regarding the trend toward godlessness, love of self, all that: it ain’t gonna reverse. Christ said some things about the last days. You’re wishing for something that is not going to happen.

202 livefreeor die  Apr 2, 2009 5:51:45pm

re: #52 jcm

Lawyer = 33¢
Taxes = 47¢
Parking during trial = $37.00
Net loss = $36.80.

Oh wow-that’s right. The lawyer probably worked for a percentage of damages awarded.
ROTFLMAO

203 Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2009 5:51:51pm

re: #200 victor_yugo

Your analysis is in harmony with that of Andrew Sullivan.

And I’m supposed to care about that … why?

204 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 5:51:54pm

re: #184 Charles

Since people have the freedom in America to believe or not believe anything they like, I’m not sure how you think it’s possible to “reverse” this.

Make the case for Christianity, try to win people over to honest, forthright (and non-creationist) branches of it. I do not view it as a legal or governmental matter.

205 _RememberTonyC  Apr 2, 2009 5:51:57pm

I heard Obama sent the bust of Winston Churchill back to the UK because he wanted to replace it with Ward

/

206 JohnAdams  Apr 2, 2009 5:52:00pm

re: #193 Killian Bundy

US House Passes $3.55T Budget Resolution

/way to go House Republicans, make the Bonkeys own this fiscally irresponsible travesty

Yeah, a good sign they are at least trying to come together. Did all Dems vote yes?

207 rightymouse  Apr 2, 2009 5:52:02pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

I think he’s calling attention to a relevant issue. The growth of atheism alarms me and I would like to see it reversed.

I have no problem with atheism so long as they don’t try to shove their lack of belief down my throat through the legal system by trying to take away my right to believe.

208 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 5:52:06pm

re: #188 jcm

Chuck Norris is afraid of Fist………

Chuck is a bright guy eh?

209 Wishing  Apr 2, 2009 5:52:27pm

re: #198 The Other Les

The Republican Party needs to face up to the fact that politics as usual is no longer an option. The GOP has compromised with and appeased the other side too many time. It has strengthened the other side and harmed us.

It the Wiemar Republic this behavior was called cattle trading, we call it bipartisanship. And like the Germans we are now facing the rise of a totalitarian political cult with its own divinely appointed leader.

If the GOP doesn’t clean up its act then we have no choice but to start a new party.

Wasn’t there a Reichstag fire or something?

210 Taqiyyotomist  Apr 2, 2009 5:52:28pm

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

“…my disapproval of peoples choices does not lead me to want to force them to rescind those choices.”

Very well put.

211 kansas  Apr 2, 2009 5:52:40pm

re: #205 _RememberTonyC

I heard Obama sent the bust of Winston Churchill back to the UK because he wanted to replace it with Ward

/

I heard it was because he thought it was Ward.

212 OldLineTexan  Apr 2, 2009 5:52:45pm

re: #165 WhiteRasta

Rodeo clown? I thought he was an ass-Clown.

It’s not how I described him … it’s how he described himself.

213 Fenway_Nation  Apr 2, 2009 5:52:46pm

re: #199 kansas

Letterman must be on the Democrat fax list. His main talking point seemed to be that Rush Limbaugh is fat.

And has Micheal Moore found Jesus Slim Fast yet?

214 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2009 5:52:54pm

re: #180 rightymouse

And what are those policies?

No bailouts, no stimulus spending, just basically hands off and let the economy fail. People might get frustrated with the bailouts and stimulus spending but I don’t see a lot of people gravitating towards to alternative of letting the economy crumble. I also see a lot of Fair Tax signs and “abolish the Fed” stuff at Tea Parties.

215 CynicalConservative  Apr 2, 2009 5:53:04pm

re: #206 JohnAdams

Yeah, a good sign they are at least trying to come together. Did all Dems vote yes?

I think 20 voted against.

216 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 5:53:26pm

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

I worry that the growth of atheism mirrors the the decline in morals in the country, that is my problem. Its not an issue to be addressed by laws, but by advocacy. You may be assured, Sharm, that my disapproval of peoples choices does not lead me to want to force them to rescind those choices.

My apologies if my comments made you think that I was suggesting you’d use force. I agree it’s a matter of private advocacy. However- I think the “decline in morals” that you mention has more to do with a lack of personal responsibility on the part of the people. Preventing people from reaping the consequences of their decisions is harmful.

217 Killian Bundy  Apr 2, 2009 5:53:27pm

re: #206 JohnAdams

Yeah, a good sign they are at least trying to come together. Did all Dems vote yes?

/FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 192

218 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 5:53:48pm

re: #157 KingKenrod

I don’t like Bill O’Reilly much, but his atheism segment seemed pretty sedate and I agreed with most of what he said, particularly when he pointed out that the media eagerly attacks Christians when given the chance, but not Islam because of fears of violence.

* * * *
Yes, thank you. Hollywood is united against Cartoon Wars.

219 pink freud  Apr 2, 2009 5:53:53pm

re: #186 nyc redneck

Reading that piece was like stepping into bizarro world. How can anyone - much less the countless others who feel the same way - see things in such an upside down backwards way?

220 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 5:53:54pm

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

Make the case for Christianity, try to win people over to honest, forthright (and non-creationist) branches of it. I do not view it as a legal or governmental matter.

And in retrospect, “branches” of atheist are not honest, forthright people?

221 OldLineTexan  Apr 2, 2009 5:54:06pm

Bill Maher is an anti-freedom prick, and I hate that he might have something correct to say for once … because I won’t listen. He’s blown all credibility, like so many others.

222 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2009 5:54:33pm

I don’t want to be reversed.

223 Son of the Black Dog  Apr 2, 2009 5:54:39pm

re: #133 PISSED

Charles I’m thinking we are needing a centrist party.. gives a little to both sides , BUT it will take alot of work. I feel that most of the people I talk to about the issues are in the middle. I dont know how the nuts seem to get their agendas pushed. Maybe all the middle of the road people are busy working and caring for their families?

And how did having one big centrist party work out for Israel?

224 JohnAdams  Apr 2, 2009 5:54:58pm

re: #215 CynicalConservative

I think 20 voted against.

Then they are on The List.

225 rightymouse  Apr 2, 2009 5:55:12pm

re: #214 Killgore Trout

No bailouts, no stimulus spending, just basically hands off and let the economy fail. People might get frustrated with the bailouts and stimulus spending but I don’t see a lot of people gravitating towards to alternative of letting the economy crumble. I also see a lot of Fair Tax signs and “abolish the Fed” stuff at Tea Parties.


And your solution is….?

Government meddling got us in this mess mostly. More government will solve it?

226 _RememberTonyC  Apr 2, 2009 5:55:17pm

re: #211 kansas

I heard it was because he thought it was Ward.

If he thought it was Ward, he probably would have kept it :)

227 quickjustice  Apr 2, 2009 5:55:23pm

re: #131 Charles

I didn’t see the anti-semitism. Jesus, after all, was a Jew and a controversial rabbi. The conflict was Jew against Jew, with the Romans doing the dirty work. Nonetheless, given the centuries-old “blood libel” of the Jewish community, I can see why viewers might be sensitive to the issue of anti-semitism.

228 jamgarr  Apr 2, 2009 5:55:35pm

re: #224 JohnAdams

Then they are on The List.


, brother!

FTFY

229 Dr. Shalit  Apr 2, 2009 5:55:40pm

re: #184 Charles

Since people have the freedom in America to believe or not believe anything they like, I’m not sure how you think it’s possible to “reverse” this.

Charles -

The “Trend” is reversible. It will take education, and patience - NOT - Shouting, Put Downs, etc. This is a challenge, one of persuasion NOT evisceration. Charles - I believe, as I suspect all ‘y’all do that eventually the Truth will out. That is all.

-S-

230 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 5:55:46pm

re: #222 Killgore Trout

I don’t want to be reversed.

“˙pǝsɹǝʌǝɹ ǝq oʇ ʇuɐʍ ʇ,uop ı” You just were!

231 kansas  Apr 2, 2009 5:55:54pm

re: #213 Fenway_Nation

And has Micheal Moore found Jesus Slim Fast yet?

Dave did not seem to mind Michael Moore’s being fat, did he?

232 Lincolntf  Apr 2, 2009 5:56:04pm

re: #214 Killgore Trout

Killgore, how many of these parties have you attended?

233 Racer X  Apr 2, 2009 5:56:06pm

re: #222 Killgore Trout

I don’t want to be reversed.

… I just wanna be sedated.

234 jamgarr  Apr 2, 2009 5:56:33pm

I don’t want a pickle

235 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 5:56:40pm

re: #216 Sharmuta

My apologies if my comments made you think that I was suggesting you’d use force. I agree it’s a matter of private advocacy. However- I think the “decline in morals” that you mention has more to do with a lack of personal responsibility on the part of the people. Preventing people from reaping the consequences of their decisions is harmful.

I agree. I simply see Christianity as one of the best force for getting people to learn personal responsibility. I think that faith makes the world better, but only faith freely arrived at by individual choice.

236 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 5:57:04pm

re: #191 DEZes

Loan him Obama’s teleprompter. ;)

LOL!
It was quite funny, really.
And to think I used to like watching David Letterman.

237 HoosierHoops  Apr 2, 2009 5:57:30pm

re: #220 Walter L. Newton

And in retrospect, “branches” of atheist are not honest, forthright people?

Judge a man/Woman by who they are..What they stand for..How they live their lives..How they treat people..
The measure of a man is his actions..not his words

238 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 5:57:38pm

re: #168 Gus 802

Bill O’Reilly seems to forget that in the United States of America we are free to practice or not practice whatever religion we choose to adhere to.

* * * *
Bill O’Reilly has a talk show and can say nearly whatever he wants.
He’s brave enough to point out that Christianity is the easy target of opportunity for lazy atheists who won’t take on militant totalitarian ideologies.

239 PISSED  Apr 2, 2009 5:57:55pm

re: #223 Son of the Black Dog

I dont know .. I ‘m in America and all I see is the spliting of the right and left and the bomb throwers.. meanwhile I m busting my ass and getting taxed to death.. so what do we do?
Obama got elected because of BDS,, and i bet in 4 years will have ODS and elect more conservatives.. (IMHO) then.. back and forth and the slow decline of this country..

240 jamgarr  Apr 2, 2009 5:57:58pm

I just wanna ride

241 Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2009 5:58:04pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

I agree. I simply see Christianity as one of the best force for getting people to learn personal responsibility. I think that faith makes the world better, but only faith freely arrived at by individual choice.

In my experience, there are fully as many immoral Christians as immoral atheists. Sorry, I don’t see any equivalence between atheism and immorality.

242 The Shadow Do  Apr 2, 2009 5:58:04pm

How he walked out of the courtroom as the one buck warrior and not the six million dollar man is a real puzzle to me. This is not the Boulder I knew. I spent over twenty years there and that time included a visit to the local civil justice system that culminated in a large award against my Company (evil corporation) brought by a small businessman who knew the turf well. Zero fault on our part met with zero sympathy from the super lib judge who admonished us thus: “while not directly responsible you, by virtue of having visited the plaintiff’s site, should have seen the problem and thus were obligated to make the complainant aware of the issue and you were thus compelled to have taken steps to repair the problem.” Huh?

243 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 5:58:07pm

re: #220 Walter L. Newton

And in retrospect, “branches” of atheist are not honest, forthright people?

I did not say that, Walter. I meant that some branches of Christianity are not honest or forthright.

244 OldLineTexan  Apr 2, 2009 5:58:12pm

re: #222 Killgore Trout

I don’t want to be reversed.

Sounds rather prison-y … and not the good kind full of hot chicks, either.

245 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 5:58:25pm

re: #237 HoosierHoops

Judge a man/Woman by who they are..What they stand for..How they live their lives..How they treat people..
The measure of a man is his actions..not his words

I agree, but dark_falcon seems to indicate that atheist are not, in general, any of those things.

246 livefreeor die  Apr 2, 2009 5:58:39pm

re: #108 pink freud

OT, but I have to catch the ladies before they all retire for the evening. All in the name of cattiness. (Get those barf bags ready, folks)

I’ll just post snippets, this piece is long:

“The excitement British women feel about the arrival of Michelle Obama in London for the G-20 summit is spiked with awe. She’s so big-time. So self-confident. So devoid of rainy, British diffidence. In a country where most political wives and female members of Parliament are the stylistic equivalent of a tufted ottoman, Michelle’s kind of striding self-assurance, glamour, and broad demographic appeal feels thrillingly 21st-century. The fact that she’s African American adds an inspirational magic.

t was smart of France’s ravishing first lady, Carla Bruni, to let her husband go to the conference without her. The second Madame Sarkozy was a big wow when she visited London last March, but she’s a shrewd enough PR hand to know she would suffer in comparison to the first and only Mrs. Obama. Carla is old news next to Michelle.

That fake-demure little Dior suit she wore to lunch with Queen Elizabeth seemed in retrospect like the kind of get-up a reformed hooker might wear to meet her latest CEO for lunch at the Savoy.

One of the many appeal points of Michelle to the Brits is that her casual elegance feels as if it came out of her own closet on her own salary.

Even Princess Diana took a long time to get it right. She took a fraught sartorial journey through operatic Ascot hats and bodybuilder shoulder pads before she arrived, in those final three years before her death, at an easy, breezy freedom of style that Michelle exudes already.

…British monarch is as eager as all her countrywomen to come face to face with the future. When she looks into Michelle’s wide, warm eyes, she will see someone whose strength she will recognize at once as a new kind of Queen.”

And that ladies and gents, is the difference in how the left and the right views WAB.

Get the barf bags ready is right-“glamour”? “wide, warm eyes”?

This article sounds like it was written by a romance novelist.

247 abolitionist  Apr 2, 2009 5:58:41pm

re: #138 alegrias

* * * *
Beck admitted he was a “rodeo clown” earlier in his career.
He mugs into the camera like Pee Wee Herman.
But he can be serious, interesting & entertaining, unlike David Letterman.

re: #87 Charles

Glenn Beck is an irresponsible moron. I cannot stand the guy.

Charles, I recall a radio show many moons ago, where he had the president of the Islamic Thinkers Society engaged in a phone conversation on air, and got him to admit favoring
a) banning music
b) imposing sharia law
c) nuking NYC

I think that and his Exposed documentary on CNN makes up for more than a little rodeo-clown schtik.

248 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 5:58:42pm

re: #238 alegrias

* * * *
Bill O’Reilly has a talk show and can say nearly whatever he wants.
He’s brave enough to point out that Christianity is the easy target of opportunity for lazy atheists who won’t take on militant totalitarian ideologies.

Yes, in fact I agree that that does occur. However, making a blanket generalization on all atheists is wrong.

249 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 5:59:05pm

re: #197 Archimedes

I’m not a fan of O’Reilly, but now you have me curious.

I’ll bet if not on youtube it’s on one of O’Reilly’s of Fox’s website.
It was good, I tell you!
And I am not the world’s biggest O’Reilly fan. I don’t watch him on any regular basis.

250 BatGuano  Apr 2, 2009 5:59:06pm

re: #221 OldLineTexan

Bill Maher is an anti-freedom prick, and I hate that he might have something correct to say for once … because I won’t listen. He’s blown all credibility, like so many others.

The only thing he has ever said that I thought was funny was when, in his stand up act about 15 years ago, he portrayed a Jewish convert to Catholicism going to confession for the first time: He took his lawyer.

251 rightymouse  Apr 2, 2009 5:59:12pm

re: #233 Racer X

… I just wanna be sedated.

Had to upding you for that one. lol!

252 jamgarr  Apr 2, 2009 5:59:30pm

My motor - cycle

253 Racer X  Apr 2, 2009 5:59:47pm
254 nyc redneck  Apr 2, 2009 6:00:02pm

re: #219 pink freud

Reading that piece was like stepping into bizarro world. How can anyone - much less the countless others who feel the same way - see things in such an upside down backwards way?

i don’t know.
i’ll quote one of my moonbat friends, “pluto must be in retrograde.”

255 jamgarr  Apr 2, 2009 6:00:20pm

I don’t wanna die

256 PISSED  Apr 2, 2009 6:00:20pm

re: #246 livefreeor die

at least she supports the 2nd amendment and the right to “Bare arms”

/retch

257 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 6:00:21pm

anybody that cares if their friend or neighbor or Senator believes in God, or is so godamned hung up that this issue is important to them needs to be REVERSED…we have laws backed by a Constitution…sniping at each other is bullshit

258 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:00:25pm

re: #199 kansas

Letterman must be on the Democrat fax list. His main talking point seemed to be that Rush Limbaugh is fat.

How clever.

Didn’t Letterman used to be funny, or not?
I thought he was, especially at first.

259 jamgarr  Apr 2, 2009 6:00:37pm

I just wanna ride

260 jamgarr  Apr 2, 2009 6:01:01pm

My motor - cy — cle

261 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 6:01:04pm

re: #240 jamgarr

I just wanna ride

my motorcycle

262 victor_yugo  Apr 2, 2009 6:01:11pm

re: #203 Charles

And I’m supposed to care about that … why?

Well, if Sully got one right, then credit where it’s due.

263 BatGuano  Apr 2, 2009 6:01:14pm

re: #259 jamgarr

My motorcy—cle

264 kansas  Apr 2, 2009 6:01:24pm

re: #258 J.D.

How clever.

Didn’t Letterman used to be funny, or not?
I thought he was, especially at first.

I think he was funny maybe 20 years ago. In last few years I would describe him as an insufferable prick.

265 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2009 6:01:25pm

re: #225 rightymouse

The banks need to be saved. We can’t have an economic recovery without them. The TARP thing seems to be working ok so far. There will be some government regulations regarding hedge funds, and the uptick rule (about shorting stocks) is going to be put back in place soon. I’d also like to see us break up the huge banks. The world economy depends on about a dozen companies. I’d like to see that spread out to something like 100 so next time this happens we can let 20-30 of them go bust without crashing the economy.

266 Dr. Shalit  Apr 2, 2009 6:01:33pm

re: #191 DEZes

Loan him Obama’s teleprompter. ;)

DEZes -

WHY? David Letterman has been a TV Personality for about 30 years. He is a “Big Boy” - or so we have been told. If DAVID cannot handle it at this point -
Please Retire while you still have a working Heart, and enjoy the rest of your life - you earned it.

-S-

267 Sheepdogess  Apr 2, 2009 6:01:52pm

JURY - A panel of amateurs called upon to decide life-or-death matters in court.

268 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 6:01:52pm

re: #241 Charles

In my experience, there are fully as many immoral Christians as immoral atheists. Sorry, I don’t see any equivalence between atheism and immorality.

With respect, I disagree.

269 OldLineTexan  Apr 2, 2009 6:02:22pm

re: #262 victor_yugo

Well, if Sully got one right, then credit where it’s due.

Nope, if you’re wrong on anything you go under the bus.

270 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 6:02:33pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

I agree. I simply see Christianity as one of the best force for getting people to learn personal responsibility. I think that faith makes the world better, but only faith freely arrived at by individual choice.

But governmentally, it can be dealt with secularly. Failure is not always a bad thing- important lessons can be learned from it. I see too much prevention of failure occurring, whether it’s in schools or businesses. Take Killgore’s comments for example. I might agree that some stimulus is alright, but I do feel the democrats have gone too far. Some of these poorly run businesses should have to file bankruptcy. Bailing them out is only going to continue bad management instead of providing a learning opportunity to doing their business in a better manner. We learn from failure, and leftists work too hard at preventing it altogether.

271 ConservatismNow!  Apr 2, 2009 6:03:14pm

re: #241 Charles

In my experience, there are fully as many immoral Christians as immoral atheists. Sorry, I don’t see any equivalence between atheism and immorality.

And immoral Muslims, immoral Jews, immoral Hindus (Hindists? Hindis? help me out here) religion sets down moral code through which one can live his life. Remember that even people who were considered devout followers were still terrible people by traditional liberal standards. Faith without good works and all that jazz.

272 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 6:03:16pm

re: #245 Walter L. Newton

I agree, but dark_falcon seems to indicate that atheist are not, in general, any of those things.

Please read my #243, Walter. You are misinterpreting my words.

273 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 6:03:35pm

re: #209 Wishing

Wasn’t there a Reichstag fire or something?

That was after Hitler was made Chancellor.

Ever get the impression that some of the passion of the Truthers was due to some degree to projection of their part? That if they were in a position of power that they would stage a major terrorist incident in order to justify their own seizure of total control?

274 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 6:03:57pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

I don’t think the Tea Party’s economic policies will play well with the public. Way too close to Ron Paul’s.

* * * *
It’s nearly Tax Time, April 15th. Talking tax revolt maybe will motivate some fence-sitters to pay attention to their wallet and vote smarter next time.

I doubt many people know or care about Ron Paul or his policies, much less tie them to people’s disgust with higher taxes coming our way.

275 DEZes  Apr 2, 2009 6:04:18pm

re: #266 Dr. Shalit

DEZes -

WHY? David Letterman has been a TV Personality for about 30 years. He is a “Big Boy” - or so we have been told. If DAVID cannot handle it at this point -
Please Retire while you still have a working Heart, and enjoy the rest of your life - you earned it.

-S-

Your right, the teleprompter all ready has to suffer one miserable ass, it shouldn’t have to suffer with Letterman too.

276 victor_yugo  Apr 2, 2009 6:04:28pm

re: #269 OldLineTexan

Nope, if you’re wrong on anything you go under the bus.

What is this, 0bamaLand?

Oh, wait, that’s if you get caught, you go under the bus.

277 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 6:04:54pm

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

With respect, I disagree.

Then make your point. Stats please?

278 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:05:12pm

re: #255 jamgarr

I don’t wanna die

I had to upding you for that one just because.

279 Son of the Black Dog  Apr 2, 2009 6:05:21pm

re: #169 J.D.

I really just cannot appreciate Glenn Beck.
They’ve got to do better than that!

Beck is slotted into a time that Fox has always had a problem with ratings. Basically I think he’s there just to fill up the space and try to generate ANY ad revenue. Be bad form to have a test pattern on for an hour. Same thing with Huckabee and Geraldo on the weekends. Might as well put them on, nobody’s watching anyway.

280 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 6:05:25pm

re: #270 Sharmuta

But governmentally, it can be dealt with secularly. Failure is not always a bad thing- important lessons can be learned from it. I see too much prevention of failure occurring, whether it’s in schools or businesses. Take Killgore’s comments for example. I might agree that some stimulus is alright, but I do feel the democrats have gone too far. Some of these poorly run businesses should have to file bankruptcy. Bailing them out is only going to continue bad management instead of providing a learning opportunity to doing their business in a better manner. We learn from failure, and leftists work too hard at preventing it altogether.

Agreed. I simply believe that America is a poorer place without faith.

281 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 6:05:36pm

hey Killgore…how many tea parties have you attended…any pics you can post?

282 Racer X  Apr 2, 2009 6:05:43pm

CBS 60 MINUTES INTERVIEW - WAS OBAMA HIGH?

ROFLMAO!

I fell off the chair twice while watching this.

283 Dr. Shalit  Apr 2, 2009 6:05:51pm

re: #241 Charles

In my experience, there are fully as many immoral Christians as immoral atheists. Sorry, I don’t see any equivalence between atheism and immorality.

Charles -

“Search Engine” - The Laws of Noah. +/- 7 Out of the “TEN” - OR

THEIR ACTIONS PEAK SO LOUD

THAT THEIR WORDS ARE MUTE

That is all.

-S-

284 pink freud  Apr 2, 2009 6:05:52pm

Palin calls for Begich’s resignation

Gov. Sarah Palin (R-Alaska) called on Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska ) Thursday to step down from his seat and run in a special election in the wake of the Justice Department’s decision to drop corruption charges against former Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska). Begich narrowly defeated Stevens in 2008, a contest overshadowed by Stevens’ October conviction.

285 Bubblehead II  Apr 2, 2009 6:06:12pm

re: #253 Racer X

So can penguins!

286 quickjustice  Apr 2, 2009 6:06:16pm

As for Mel Gibson’s politics, from en.wikipedia.org “Gibson complimented filmmaker Michael Moore and his documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 when he and Moore were recognized at the 2005 People’s Choice Awards. Gibson’s Icon Productions originally agreed to finance Moore’s film, but later sold the rights to Miramax Films. Moore said that his agent Ari Emanuel claimed that “top Republicans” called Mel Gibson to tell him, “don’t expect to get more invitations to the White House”.

287 FrogMarch  Apr 2, 2009 6:06:26pm

If the GOP would like people to vote for them, they need to stop making it a — Christian only party.

288 rightymouse  Apr 2, 2009 6:06:37pm

re: #265 Killgore Trout

The banks need to be saved. We can’t have an economic recovery without them. The TARP thing seems to be working ok so far. There will be some government regulations regarding hedge funds, and the uptick rule (about shorting stocks) is going to be put back in place soon. I’d also like to see us break up the huge banks. The world economy depends on about a dozen companies. I’d like to see that spread out to something like 100 so next time this happens we can let 20-30 of them go bust without crashing the economy.


What difference will it make if the banks are still forced to make crappy loans through political coercion? Do we have any guarantee that the policies that led to this failure won’t be repeated?

289 Wishing  Apr 2, 2009 6:06:46pm

re: #273 The Other Les

That was after Hitler was made Chancellor.

Ever get the impression that some of the passion of the Truthers was due to some degree to projection of their part? That if they were in a position of power that they would stage a major terrorist incident in order to justify their own seizure of total control?

No, I can’t say I have had that impression. But then, power is a mighty elixer, based on what I am seeing in government circles. The biggest impression I get is that truthers are in a conspiracy frenzy, the present one greater than the last, and that it seems that all conspiracy theories eventually end up in anti-Semitism.

290 ConservatismNow!  Apr 2, 2009 6:06:51pm

re: #273 The Other Les

That was after Hitler was made Chancellor.

Ever get the impression that some of the passion of the Truthers was due to some degree to projection of their part? That if they were in a position of power that they would stage a major terrorist incident in order to justify their own seizure of total control?

Like how a person who cheats is constantly accusing their partner of cheating. Because if YOU cheated, then that means your partner must have cheated too.

291 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:07:14pm

re: #264 kansas

I think he was funny maybe 20 years ago. In last few years I would describe him as an insufferable prick.

That’s about the time frame I watched him.
I liked the velcro suit and some of the other really stupid stuff that no one else did… remember those things?

292 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 6:07:19pm

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. I simply believe that America is a poorer place without faith.

And I think the issue is being blown a bit out of proportion by people like bill o’reily. This nation is overwhelmingly populated by people of faith.

293 Taqiyyotomist  Apr 2, 2009 6:07:19pm

There is one over-arching theme in the Old Testament: Israel is close to God, God blesses Israel. Israel moves away from God, God allows Israel to be persecuted, plunged into civil war, and eventually destroyed and scattered. This cycle, which is laid out quite clearly in the 2 Chronicles, is also presented in microcosm, many, many times throughout, through the histories of individuals. God works through history, and uses nations, even nations which are decidedly NOT Godly, such as Assyria and Babylon and Egypt, to do those things which he has promised again and again.

God has not changed. When his people (Christians, Jews) follow Him, the WHOLE LAND is blessed, and vice versa.

Also, these laws were in effect for the first couple hundred years of America.
Also, these laws are in effect on the community level. And on the family level. And on the personal level.

I think this may be what albusteve is getting at.

294 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 6:07:42pm

Right now I feel like building a shrine for whomever invented Aleve.

295 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 6:08:09pm

re: #241 Charles

In my experience, there are fully as many immoral Christians as immoral atheists. Sorry, I don’t see any equivalence between atheism and immorality.

Atheism is simply the absence of a belief in a deity. There is no inherently atheist moral code and it is no excuse to strut about and pretend to be an intellectually and morally superior being. Contrary to what some Marxists (and other foolish persons) would have us believe.

296 Taqiyyotomist  Apr 2, 2009 6:08:17pm

re: #293 Taqiyyotomist

PIMF what Falcon is getting at…my bad

297 NukeAtomrod  Apr 2, 2009 6:08:32pm

re: #87 Charles

Glenn Beck is an irresponsible moron. I cannot stand the guy.

I don’t know— I think Beck’s heart is in the right place. He may be delusional, but I don’t think he’s irresponsible.

298 Irish Rose  Apr 2, 2009 6:08:42pm

OT, but I just saw this for the first time….. I’m sitting here shaking.

This 20 year survivor of DA says God bless you Keira Knightley, for having the guts to make this video.

foxnews.com

/speechless

299 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 6:08:56pm

re: #282 Racer X

CBS 60 MINUTES INTERVIEW - WAS OBAMA HIGH?

ROFLMAO!

I fell off the chair twice while watching this.

awsome spoof!

300 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 6:09:09pm

re: #277 Walter L. Newton

Then make your point. Stats please?

I have none to give, only my own convictions. I’ll leave the matter here, as I’m not too proud to back off once its become clear I’m not going to win. I will however thank the room for arguing respectfully. Charles, Walter, Sharmuta, you all showed why LGF is far better than most blogs: thoughtful disagreement doesn’t get you flamed here. We don’t always agree, but we don’t have to to get along.

301 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:09:29pm

re: #279 Son of the Black Dog

2 hrs. Cavuto?

302 Taqiyyotomist  Apr 2, 2009 6:09:55pm

re: #289 Wishing

And Bildeberger!

303 HoosierHoops  Apr 2, 2009 6:10:01pm

re: #245 Walter L. Newton

I agree, but dark_falcon seems to indicate that atheist are not, in general, any of those things.

I hear ya bro..
You can only measure a man by who he is..
It’s pretty obvious you don’t get a pass to heaven because you joined the right group…

304 Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2009 6:10:02pm

re: #262 victor_yugo

Well, if Sully got one right, then credit where it’s due.

When we had the last knock-down drag-out battle over Mel Gibson’s (in my view) disgusting movie, I hadn’t seen it, so I stayed out of the debate.

Now I’ve seen it, and I agree with the critics that it was a terrible movie from many perspectives. Grotesquely ultra-violent in a way that made me feel like I needed a shower. It was manipulative, gross, and as I said, arguably antisemitic — which means that it’s not clearly antisemitic, but a good case can be made that it is.

305 kansas  Apr 2, 2009 6:10:11pm

re: #284 pink freud

Palin calls for Begich’s resignation

Gov. Sarah Palin (R-Alaska) called on Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska ) Thursday to step down from his seat and run in a special election in the wake of the Justice Department’s decision to drop corruption charges against former Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska). Begich narrowly defeated Stevens in 2008, a contest overshadowed by Stevens’ October conviction.

I can hear moonbat and MSM wailing right now.

306 onyxraven1979  Apr 2, 2009 6:10:12pm

The alumni and citizens of Colorado should sue the school for hiring the fraud in the first place. Sue for selling a defective product.

307 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 6:10:19pm

re: #196 Charles

In Ireland, the number of Catholic children who were molested by priests are the majority. Not the minority. Maher might have been using offensive language, but in one sense he’s right — the number of children molested in that scandal was absolutely unconscionable.

And yes, if you watch Maher’s movie “Religulous,” he certainly does criticize other religions, including Islam.

* * * *
O’Reilly is Irish and Catholic and must know about his church and Ireland’s past problems with pederasty. I sincerely doubt he’d absolve guilty pederasts who abused children.

I did not realize Maher was leading the defense of Catholic children abused by pederast priests, if so that is admirable. However I will not spend a nickel to see him on film.

308 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 6:10:32pm

re: #298 Irish Rose

OT, but I just saw this for the first time….. I’m sitting here shaking.

This 20 year survivor of DA says God bless you Keira Knightley, for having the guts to make this video.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

/speechless

Indeed. Chris Brown should be forced to watch that video.

309 KingKenrod  Apr 2, 2009 6:10:32pm

Letterman’s “teleprompter / no teleprompter” bit showing an eloquent Obama with a teleprompter and a stuttering Bush without one is one of the most arrogant, unfunny, brown-nosing, self-righteous, epic fails I’ve ever seen.

Youtube Video

Letterman, you suck.

310 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 6:10:52pm

re: #295 The Other Les

Atheism is simply the absence of a belief in a deity. There is no inherently atheist moral code and it is no excuse to strut about and pretend to be an intellectually and morally superior being. Contrary to what some Marxists (and other foolish persons) would have us believe.

And I agree, But on the converse, being an atheist do not automatically mean that you have no moral code. Most atheist I know have a moral code as firm as any good Christian.

Put the implication by dark_falcon is “country+atheism=no morals,” and I don’t agree.

311 KingKenrod  Apr 2, 2009 6:11:22pm

re: #284 pink freud

Palin calls for Begich’s resignation

Gov. Sarah Palin (R-Alaska) called on Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska ) Thursday to step down from his seat and run in a special election in the wake of the Justice Department’s decision to drop corruption charges against former Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska). Begich narrowly defeated Stevens in 2008, a contest overshadowed by Stevens’ October conviction.

Good luck with all that!

312 kansas  Apr 2, 2009 6:11:46pm

re: #291 J.D.

That’s about the time frame I watched him.
I liked the velcro suit and some of the other really stupid stuff that no one else did… remember those things?

Yeah, and stupid pet tricks. Wasn’t Super Dave Osborn on his show? I’m wondering if his heart surgery fucked him up?

313 pink freud  Apr 2, 2009 6:12:08pm

re: #305 kansas

I can hear moonbat and MSM wailing right now.

Let ‘em wail. They would do the same were the situation reversed.

314 Dr. Shalit  Apr 2, 2009 6:12:37pm

re: #284 pink freud

Palin calls for Begich’s resignation

Gov. Sarah Palin (R-Alaska) called on Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska ) Thursday to step down from his seat and run in a special election in the wake of the Justice Department’s decision to drop corruption charges against former Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska). Begich narrowly defeated Stevens in 2008, a contest overshadowed by Stevens’ October conviction.

Pink Freud -

Could this be the beginning of “Mrs. Smith Goes to Washington?” Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE Sarah, and would rather have her as POTUS, TONIGHT, than Pres. Obama as she has more life and practical political experience than our current President. Just wondering.

-S-

315 Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2009 6:12:41pm

re: #293 Taqiyyotomist

Are you an End-Timer?

316 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 6:12:54pm

re: #295 The Other Les

Atheism is simply the absence of a belief in a deity. There is no inherently atheist moral code and it is no excuse to strut about and pretend to be an intellectually and morally superior being. Contrary to what some Marxists (and other foolish persons) would have us believe.

The underlying moral code for the average atheist can include a number of historical moral foundations. It can include Christianity, Judaism, common sense, various secular philosophies and humanism.

Marx never wrote about atheism as a moral code.

317 ConservatismNow!  Apr 2, 2009 6:13:52pm

re: #303 HoosierHoops

I hear ya bro..
You can only measure a man by who he is..
It’s pretty obvious you don’t get a pass to heaven because you joined the right group…</blockquote>

Ehhhh…kinda. That’s been a cause of schisms within Protestantism since the Reformation. Faith alone? Faith and good works? Pre-destination? Just being a member? But I get the point you are trying to make.

318 pink freud  Apr 2, 2009 6:15:03pm

re: #314 Dr. Shalit

If anyone has a chance of pushing this through, she does. I don’t know the particulars, however. Can he be forced out and a special election held?

319 Truck Monkey  Apr 2, 2009 6:15:04pm

re: #306 onyxraven1979

The alumni and citizens of Colorado should sue the school for hiring the fraud in the first place. Sue for selling a defective product.

The Alumni should just stop their donations.

320 FrogMarch  Apr 2, 2009 6:15:09pm

re: #183 Archimedes

There is from multiculturalists, because they sell the propaganda that whites are oppressors. You will often hear with a sneer the phrase “white male”, as if that’s supposed to be a negative thing.

The flip side is that Beck sounds like he’s giving signals to white supremacists that “whitey is under attack”. Whitey is not under attack.
if the left want to wallow in victim and identity/racial politics, let them. When the “right” does it, they end up sounding like the very people the left are complaining about.

I understand in our PC culture that the while male is the only acceptable punching bag left to openly despise. But you don’t give the left ammunition by sending smoke signals to evil groups like stormfront.
I don’t want to accuse Beck of doing that, but he’s getting close.

321 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:15:19pm

re: #282 Racer X

CBS 60 MINUTES INTERVIEW - WAS OBAMA HIGH?

ROFLMAO!

I fell off the chair twice while watching this.

LOL!
I’ve sent that all over the country! ! !

322 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 6:15:30pm

re: #192 Gus 802

Just a thought but…

Judging atheists by Bill Maher is akin to judging Christians by Jerry Falwell.

* * * *
Dear Gus,

Jerry Falwell’s dead and gone.

323 Racer X  Apr 2, 2009 6:15:39pm
324 Taqiyyotomist  Apr 2, 2009 6:15:49pm

re: #307 alegrias

I was a big Bob Dornan fan. He got canned from radio, I think, for stating quite a few truths about the whole pedarasty issue in the church, regarding the makeup of the student bodies at the seminaries vis a vis their sexual orientation. And still, it is the elephant in that particular living room. Maybe the Obama Youth Brigades will provide an alternative home to the homosexuals who gravitated en masse (no pun intended) to the seminaries over the last few decades. That is all.

325 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 6:16:04pm

re: #300 Dark_Falcon

I’m working on cooking dinner at the moment, but if you google for a bit you’ll see one of the very few faiths that’s growing right now is Catholicism. The other churches are failing. goddessoftheclassroom had a story this morning about a church calling abortion a blessing, and yet you wonder why faith/morals is in decline in your opinion.

326 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 6:16:19pm

re: #322 alegrias

* * * *
Dear Gus,

Jerry Falwell’s dead and gone.

That’s not really the point but just in case: replace Falwell with Pat Robertson.

327 ConservatismNow!  Apr 2, 2009 6:16:31pm

re: #320 FrogMarch

White males aren’t the only ones. You can also hate smokers and fat people.

328 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:16:35pm

re: #294 Gus 802

Right now I feel like building a shrine for whomever invented Aleve.

Right now, I feel the same way about Percocet.

329 FrogMarch  Apr 2, 2009 6:16:37pm

re: #309 KingKenrod

Is Letterman paid by the Obama campaign?

330 kansas  Apr 2, 2009 6:17:17pm

re: #324 Taqiyyotomist

I was a big Bob Dornan fan. He got canned from radio, I think, for stating quite a few truths about the whole pedarasty issue in the church, regarding the makeup of the student bodies at the seminaries vis a vis their sexual orientation. And still, it is the elephant in that particular living room. Maybe the Obama Youth Brigades will provide an alternative home to the homosexuals who gravitated en masse (no pun intended) to the seminaries over the last few decades. That is all.

I remember Bob Dornan. I remember him as a lunatic. B1 Bob wasn’t it? Been a long time.

331 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 6:17:31pm

re: #328 J.D.

Right now, I feel the same way about Percocet.

Whew, I hate pain. Dealing with a painful crown that’s sore and hurts like crazy.

332 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 6:17:31pm

re: #329 FrogMarch

Is Letterman paid by the Obama campaign?

he is an BO patsy…just cashing in late in the game

333 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:18:10pm

re: #312 kansas

Yeah, and stupid pet tricks. Wasn’t Super Dave Osborn on his show? I’m wondering if his heart surgery fucked him up?

Yes. Stupid pet tricks.
I don’t remember Super Dave Osborn, but there was that guy Chris something…I think…

334 onyxraven1979  Apr 2, 2009 6:18:16pm

re: #319 Truck Monkey

The Alumni should just stop their donations.

Or ask for them back, as they were made to an organization that was committing fraud.

335 Irish Rose  Apr 2, 2009 6:18:42pm

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. Chris Brown should be forced to watch that video.

I don’t often see a commercial that renders me speechless.
This one did.

336 kansas  Apr 2, 2009 6:18:51pm

re: #333 J.D.

Yes. Stupid pet tricks.
I don’t remember Super Dave Osborn, but there was that guy Chris something…I think…

Jeez JD, its gonna take you and me and few others to make one memory.

337 NukeAtomrod  Apr 2, 2009 6:19:07pm

re: #241 Charles

In my experience, there are fully as many immoral Christians as immoral atheists. Sorry, I don’t see any equivalence between atheism and immorality.

I agree.

However, I’ve heard many atheists suggest that religion is the cause of all wars and evil in the world. That’s obviously ridiculous.

Also, the movement to remove “under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance and “In God We Trust” from our currency is an insane waste of time.

Otherwise, atheists are fine.

338 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 6:19:28pm

re: #325 Sharmuta

I’m working on cooking dinner at the moment, but if you google for a bit you’ll see one of the very few faiths that’s growing right now is Catholicism. The other churches are failing. goddessoftheclassroom had a story this morning about a church calling abortion a blessing, and yet you wonder why faith/morals is in decline in your opinion.

That’s part of what bugs me, Sharm: Churches that seem to be afraid of their own religion. I don’t wonder about it at all. Catholicism is still growing because its for willing to actually take a stand, not just be a liberal windcock.

339 jwpaine  Apr 2, 2009 6:19:30pm

re: #182 Walter L. Newton

I agree. They keep concentrating on samples of Churchill’s outrageous speech. That might have been a good strategy pre-trial (and where were they with the sound-bites then?), but it would have been a disastrous strategy for CU’s attorney at trial. Hell, just prior to the verdict being read, C&S had O’Rourke on, and he made basically the same point.

340 FrogMarch  Apr 2, 2009 6:19:31pm

re: #332 albusteve

he is an BO patsy…just cashing in late in the game

Geez. Get Letterman and leg tingle boy on the payroll. oh wait, they are full of such adoration, they will openly campaign for free! Lucky us.

341 livefreeor die  Apr 2, 2009 6:19:32pm

re: #331 Gus 802

Whew, I hate pain. Dealing with a painful crown that’s sore and hurts like crazy.

Hope it gets better quickly.

342 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:19:43pm

re: #331 Gus 802

Whew, I hate pain. Dealing with a painful crown that’s sore and hurts like crazy.

Oh. I’ve never had that.
Bad, huh?

Does Aleve work for that?

343 pingjockey  Apr 2, 2009 6:19:49pm

How much did this cost the University in attorneys fees, wasted man hours testifying instead of being at work, etc..What a load of crappola.

344 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 6:19:51pm

re: #198 The Other Les

The Republican Party needs to face up to the fact that politics as usual is no longer an option. The GOP has compromised with and appeased the other side too many time. It has strengthened the other side and harmed us.

It the Wiemar Republic this behavior was called cattle trading, we call it bipartisanship. And like the Germans we are now facing the rise of a totalitarian political cult with its own divinely appointed leader.

If the GOP doesn’t clean up its act then we have no choice but to start a new party.

* * * *
Go ahead then, good luck. See if you can get the big fat middle to agree with you.

345 Taqiyyotomist  Apr 2, 2009 6:20:09pm

re: #315 Charles

I believe the Bible. I do believe that we are in an era discussed in Daniel 8, and talked about by Christ, but I have no specific claims to knowledge. You won’t ever see me calling some leader or other “the AC”, like hundreds of churches taught about Gorbochev, Reagan, and even, yes, GW Bush. I know people who seriously thought that, and were told that, by their left-leaning churches. I don’t read the end-times books, since they all say something different, and all claim to be experts on the matter. I just keep my eyes open, or I try to.

If you are looking for a yes or no, I’d have to say, yes. The Bible makes ample mention of last days.

346 avanti  Apr 2, 2009 6:20:13pm

re: #318 pink freud

If anyone has a chance of pushing this through, she does. I don’t know the particulars, however. Can he be forced out and a special election held?

Nothing to push though unless the guy does something unethical.

347 onyxraven1979  Apr 2, 2009 6:20:14pm

re: #327 ConservatismNow!

White males aren’t the only ones. You can also hate smokers and fat people.

Only if they are white. You can’t hate Obama (smoker) or Oprah (fat).

348 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 6:20:19pm

re: #341 livefreeor die

Hope it gets better quickly.

Thanks. Could get expensive to “repair.”

349 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:20:25pm

re: #336 kansas

Jeez JD, its gonna take you and me and few others to make one memory.

I’ve got to get back on the fish oil…

350 Bubblehead II  Apr 2, 2009 6:20:51pm

re: #328 J.D.

Why not build a shrine to those who came up with something more natural?

Though I am more of a Crown man myself.

351 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2009 6:21:03pm

re: #288 rightymouse

Do we have any guarantee that the policies that led to this failure won’t be repeated?


Nope. There’s still a lot of things they need to take care of to prevent this from happening again. I have no idea what they’re working on but I suspect that things have to happen in a certain order and plans take time to implement.

352 Dr. Shalit  Apr 2, 2009 6:21:20pm

re: #304 Charles

When we had the last knock-down drag-out battle over Mel Gibson’s (in my view) disgusting movie, I hadn’t seen it, so I stayed out of the debate.

Now I’ve seen it, and I agree with the critics that it was a terrible movie from many perspectives. Grotesquely ultra-violent in a way that made me feel like I needed a shower. It was manipulative, gross, and as I said, arguably antisemitic — which means that it’s not clearly antisemitic, but a good case can be made that it is.

Charles -

You live on the “Left” Coast - I on the “Right.” Mel Gibson is a “Showman.”
Leave it there.

-S-

353 kansas  Apr 2, 2009 6:21:25pm

re: #346 avanti

Nothing to push though unless the guy does something unethical.

Yeah, he stole the election fair and square.

354 Taqiyyotomist  Apr 2, 2009 6:21:28pm

Or, I could be a smart-alec, and say, “No, I’m a dishwasher.”

355 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 6:21:46pm

re: #342 J.D.

Oh. I’ve never had that.
Bad, huh?

Does Aleve work for that?

Seems to be at the moment. I had another crown done but they did a root canal for that one. The one that hurts was just put atop the existing tooth without much work. Comfort Dental did that no less. I consider them the Just Brakes of dentistry.

356 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 6:21:51pm

re: #330 kansas

I remember Bob Dornan. I remember him as a lunatic. B1 Bob wasn’t it? Been a long time.

He was called B1 Bob because the B1 was built in his district and he pushed relentlessly to get more of them built. That said, he was fairly butty, and I don’t miss his absence from the political stage.

357 KingKenrod  Apr 2, 2009 6:22:02pm

re: #333 J.D.

Yes. Stupid pet tricks.
I don’t remember Super Dave Osborn, but there was that guy Chris something…I think…

Chris Elliot?

358 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 6:22:34pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

Just curious if you agree that failure is not an absolute negative.

359 victor_yugo  Apr 2, 2009 6:22:40pm

re: #304 Charles

When we had the last knock-down drag-out battle over Mel Gibson’s (in my view) disgusting movie, I hadn’t seen it, so I stayed out of the debate.

Now I’ve seen it, and I agree with the critics that it was a terrible movie from many perspectives. Grotesquely ultra-violent in a way that made me feel like I needed a shower. It was manipulative, gross, and as I said, arguably antisemitic — which means that it’s not clearly antisemitic, but a good case can be made that it is.

I started to watch it. When Jesus was knocked off the bridge and dangled from the chains, I turned it off.

If the only way for a movie about Christ to get my money, is to engage in pointless speculation about His suffering, I’ll keep my money.

360 quickjustice  Apr 2, 2009 6:22:49pm

re: #241 Charles

Purely as a matter of numbers, there are definitely more immoral “Christians” than immoral atheists. That’s because there are more persons who self-identify as Christians than self-identify as atheists.

But if morality is defined by norms, as I believe it is, then norms (i.e., “Thou shalt not murder.”) are rooted in religion. Can an atheist adhere to religious norms? Certainly. But why should he? Norms are religious values. By definition, an atheist doesn’t believe in religion.

If the atheist’s reference for norms is to a legal system, then the legislature can change legal “norms” overnight. It can go from tolerance for Jews to outlawing Judaism. “There arose a Pharaoh who knew not Joseph.”

Judging groups (Christians or atheists) by their conduct is a valid way to compare them. But if Christians are indistinguishable from atheists (because they’re no better in the way they conduct themselves), they’re very poor Christians indeed.

361 Dr. Shalit  Apr 2, 2009 6:22:52pm

re: #318 pink freud

If anyone has a chance of pushing this through, she does. I don’t know the particulars, however. Can he be forced out and a special election held?

Pink -

Your knowledge of Alaska Election Law is about the same as mine - “+/-0”

-S-

362 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 6:23:02pm

re: #231 kansas

Dave did not seem to mind Michael Moore’s being fat, did he?

* * * *
Touche. Letterman making fun of Limbaugh’s weight but slobbering over lefty whale Michael Moore is typically hypocritical

Moore is grotesque and to me, appears to need a shave & a shower at all times.

363 ConservatismNow!  Apr 2, 2009 6:23:23pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

There’s also a lot of sects within christianity that have a hard time differentiating themselves from the other sects. Christianity needs some salesmen.

364 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 6:23:26pm

re: #354 Taqiyyotomist

Or, I could be a smart-alec, and say, “No, I’m a dishwasher.”

No, don’t smart off at Charles. It’s not wise.

365 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 6:23:52pm

re: #316 Gus 802

The underlying moral code for the average atheist can include a number of historical moral foundations. It can include Christianity, Judaism, common sense, various secular philosophies and humanism.

Marx never wrote about atheism as a moral code.

Jesus Christ was not the Lord and Savior of Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.

Official Atheism was part of the “Progressive” posture affected by Marxist regimes. Part their pretense of being superior to civilized Christian nations.

Madelyn Murray O’Hair went as far as to once declare the Soviet Union to be morally superior to the United States because it was an atheist nation.

This is one of the reasons I put some distance between myself and the so-called American Atheists organization.

366 Son of the Black Dog  Apr 2, 2009 6:24:11pm

re: #239 PISSED

I dont know .. I ‘m in America and all I see is the spliting of the right and left and the bomb throwers.. meanwhile I m busting my ass and getting taxed to death.. so what do we do?
Obama got elected because of BDS,, and i bet in 4 years will have ODS and elect more conservatives.. (IMHO) then.. back and forth and the slow decline of this country..

I understand what you’re saying and don’t really disagree with you. However, a center party by definition has no (or little) founding principles. It stands for nothing. IMHO we don’t have enough delineation between our political parties, we need more contrast, not less. And we need at least one party to stand for limited government (and particularly limited governmental power), and make that principle stick. That isn’t going to be the Democrat party of Obama. The Republicans need to get a set of principles that appeal to right minded people, not just people on the right. They need to stand for things that will motivate voters to get out to the polls. And they especially need to grow a spine.

367 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 6:24:20pm

re: #340 FrogMarch

Geez. Get Letterman and leg tingle boy on the payroll. oh wait, they are full of such adoration, they will openly campaign for free! Lucky us.

that’s what conservatives are up against…a sureal fantasy that more than half the country lives in..reminds me when Charles said people watch that comedy central guy and assume it’s real news…we have an awsome hill to climb

368 Cognito  Apr 2, 2009 6:24:23pm

Ward Churchill.

Hahahaaa.

369 avanti  Apr 2, 2009 6:24:26pm

re: #353 kansas

Yeah, he stole the election fair and square.

It was not his parties justice department that made the error, so hard to blame him IMHO.

370 rightymouse  Apr 2, 2009 6:24:40pm

re: #316 Gus 802

Marx never wrote about atheism as a moral code.

Marx was a loser in life. Doubt it had anything to do with being an atheist. He could never quite get his act together. We see people like him today - the type who will drink their paycheck away or snort it up their nose and fret about how others should somehow pay for their mistakes and yet display an utter inability or unwillingness to make a go of things on their own.

371 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 6:24:57pm

re: #329 FrogMarch

Is Letterman paid by the Obama campaign?

No. It’s all volunteer work.

372 pingjockey  Apr 2, 2009 6:24:59pm

Youtube Video
Super Dave

373 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:25:24pm

re: #350 Bubblehead II

Why not build a shrine to those who came up with something more natural?

Though I am more of a Crown man myself.

That’s merely Tennessee whiskey.

If I were going that route, I’d shoot for THE REAL THING, or at least some other sort of real Kentucky Bourbon.

374 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 6:25:53pm

re: #365 The Other Les

Jesus Christ was not the Lord and Savior of Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.

Official Atheism was part of the “Progressive” posture affected by Marxist regimes. Part their pretense of being superior to civilized Christian nations.

Madelyn Murray O’Hair went as far as to once declare the Soviet Union to be morally superior to the United States because it was an atheist nation.

This is one of the reasons I put some distance between myself and the so-called American Atheists organization.

Madelyn Murray O’Hair was one of the worst things that ever happened for atheists if not a good part of America. She was a troubled person on many levels. I cringe when I hear her name and frankly I’m glad she’s gone.

375 FrogMarch  Apr 2, 2009 6:25:55pm

re: #339 jwpaine

I agree. They keep concentrating on samples of Churchill’s outrageous speech. That might have been a good strategy pre-trial (and where were they with the sound-bites then?), but it would have been a disastrous strategy for CU’s attorney at trial. Hell, just prior to the verdict being read, C&S had O’Rourke on, and he made basically the same point.

So let me see if I follow —
The whole point was to prove Churchill’s fraudulent scholarship and plagiarism. I guess C& P playing the Churchill sound over and over on their radio show is interesting background info on Ward’s character, but not the point. In fact, the opposite of the point. CU needed to prove they fired Chutch NOT based on his outrageous over-the-top American hatred, but on his fraud.

(I still think no matter how poorly O’Rouke did, the young jury was a joke.)

376 Truck Monkey  Apr 2, 2009 6:26:21pm

re: #327 ConservatismNow!

White males aren’t the only ones. You can also hate smokers and fat people.

And Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos!

/

377 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 6:26:44pm

re: #374 Gus 802

Madelyn Murray O’Hair was one of the worst things that ever happened for atheists if not a good part of America. She was a troubled person on many levels. I cringe when I hear her name and frankly I’m glad she’s gone.

may Odin curse you…or whoever

378 Irish Rose  Apr 2, 2009 6:27:00pm

re: #365 The Other Les

Madelyn Murray O’Hair went as far as to once declare the Soviet Union to be morally superior to the United States because it was an atheist nation.

Did they ever find her, btw?
She had cancer if I remember correctly, and slunk off to some undisclosed location to die by herself so that she wouldn’t be mourned over by “Christers”.

An incredibly obnoxious, hate-filled woman.

379 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:27:02pm

re: #355 Gus 802

Well good luck with all that!
I’m glad the Aleve helps!

380 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2009 6:27:15pm

re: #297 NukeAtomrod

I don’t know— I think Beck’s heart is in the right place. He may be delusional, but I don’t think he’s irresponsible.


I am fairly certain that he doesn’t really believe most of the stuff he’s saying. He believes it on some level (and yes I do think he’s actually insane) but he doesn’t really think America is headed towards fascism or that we’re all going to to be controlled by a world government.
He has a nice long multmillion dollar contract with Fox and with his radio show and book deals. If he really thought there was any danger he’d buy Brando’s island near Tahiti and ride out the apocalypse in style.

381 kansas  Apr 2, 2009 6:27:21pm

re: #367 albusteve

that’s what conservatives are up against…a sureal fantasy that more than half the country lives in..reminds me when Charles said people watch that comedy central guy and assume it’s real news…we have an awsome hill to climb

The list is long that people watch and assume are offering real news. Steppy, Couric, Matthews, Olby, Gibson,….care to add? Sometimes I think Stewartre: #369 avanti

It was not his parties justice department that made the error, so hard to blame him IMHO.

offers more balanced commentary than some of those folks.

382 Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2009 6:27:27pm

re: #345 Taqiyyotomist

I believe the Bible. I do believe that we are in an era discussed in Daniel 8, and talked about by Christ, but I have no specific claims to knowledge. You won’t ever see me calling some leader or other “the AC”, like hundreds of churches taught about Gorbochev, Reagan, and even, yes, GW Bush. I know people who seriously thought that, and were told that, by their left-leaning churches. I don’t read the end-times books, since they all say something different, and all claim to be experts on the matter. I just keep my eyes open, or I try to.

If you are looking for a yes or no, I’d have to say, yes. The Bible makes ample mention of last days.

OK. Now I know. I’m not going to try to argue with you about it; that would obviously be pointless.

383 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 6:27:43pm

re: #377 albusteve

may Odin curse you…or whoever

To Odin!

Wasn’t that line in some bad movie with that Six Million Dollar Man actor?

384 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 6:27:44pm

re: #344 alegrias

* * * *
Go ahead then, good luck. See if you can get the big fat middle to agree with you.

I’m redefining the political spectrum.

385 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:27:45pm

re: #357 KingKenrod

Chris Elliot?

Yes!

He was sort of lame, I thought.

386 Jim in Virginia  Apr 2, 2009 6:27:54pm

re: #356 Dark_Falcon

He was called B1 Bob because the B1 was built in his district and he pushed relentlessly to get more of them built. That said, he was fairly butty, and I don’t miss his absence from the political stage.

I saw Dornan in the local (Alexandria VA) Safeway about fifteen years ago. Nice to know that even Congresscritters have to go out and buy their own TP.

387 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2009 6:28:11pm

re: #358 Sharmuta

Just curious if you agree that failure is not an absolute negative.

In what sense? The failure of what exactly?

388 rightymouse  Apr 2, 2009 6:28:14pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

Nope. There’s still a lot of things they need to take care of to prevent this from happening again. I have no idea what they’re working on but I suspect that things have to happen in a certain order and plans take time to implement.


Well, let’s pray they do, my dear.

In the meantime, let’s support the ones who are sick of this nonsense and are letting their voices be heard, rather than categorically dismissing them outright.

389 victor_yugo  Apr 2, 2009 6:28:36pm

re: #378 Irish Rose

Did they ever find her, btw?
She had cancer if I remember correctly, and slunk off to some undisclosed location to die by herself so that she wouldn’t be mourned over by “Christers”.

An incredibly obnoxious, hate-filled woman.

No, she was murdered by one of her employees. Check her Wikipedia entry.

390 kansas  Apr 2, 2009 6:28:40pm

When this is on auto new comment, I can come up with some weirder posts than I usually do.

391 Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2009 6:28:59pm

re: #380 Killgore Trout

I am fairly certain that he doesn’t really believe most of the stuff he’s saying. He believes it on some level (and yes I do think he’s actually insane) but he doesn’t really think America is headed towards fascism or that we’re all going to to be controlled by a world government.
He has a nice long multmillion dollar contract with Fox and with his radio show and book deals. If he really thought there was any danger he’d buy Brando’s island near Tahiti and ride out the apocalypse in style.

Yep. He’s a huckster/kook who’s surfing on the extreme right wing.

392 albusteve  Apr 2, 2009 6:29:18pm

re: #383 Gus 802

To Odin!

Wasn’t that line in some bad movie with that Six Million Dollar Man actor?

hell I don’t know…Odin had some mojo tho…I guess

393 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 6:29:49pm

re: #365 The Other Les

Madelyn Murray O’Hair is also someone else I wouldn’t waste urine on.

394 kansas  Apr 2, 2009 6:30:09pm

re: #369 avanti

It was not his parties justice department that made the error, so hard to blame him IMHO.

Just because Democrats say the justice department is entirely political doesn’t make that true.

395 avanti  Apr 2, 2009 6:30:10pm

re: #380 Killgore Trout

I am fairly certain that he doesn’t really believe most of the stuff he’s saying.

His ratings are now second only to O’Reily, if they move him to prime time, he’ll be number one. If that happens, look for the rest of them to out crazy Beck for ratings.

396 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:30:28pm

re: #386 Jim in Virginia

Did you see what RacerX posted?
CBS 60 MINUTES INTERVIEW - WAS OBAMA HIGH?
Given your new “icon”, you have to watch it.

397 FrogMarch  Apr 2, 2009 6:30:32pm

re: #367 albusteve

that’s what conservatives are up against…a sureal fantasy that more than half the country lives in..reminds me when Charles said people watch that comedy central guy and assume it’s real news…we have an awsome hill to climb

Yes. Letterman and Jon Stewart - where America gets its news.

398 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 6:30:33pm

Dark Falcon- I will also say this. I know some people who were either atheists or agnostics who, when left to travel their spiritual path on their own through the course of their life, came back to God (for lack of a better term). Whether it was an experience with death, or the birth of a child, or something else. It one of the reasons I get uncomfortable with people pushing religion even privately in their personal time. People seeking a better relationship/understanding with God will do so on their own, in my experience. Pushing them causes backlash.

399 Taqiyyotomist  Apr 2, 2009 6:30:46pm

And Charles, I don’t go to endtimes websites, either.

So, I don’t read “their” books. I don’t go to their sites. I don’t listen to their “I’m the one that’s got it all figured out” radio. I don’t own a big sattellite dish.

I don’t know if I’m what you might call an End-Timer, I guess, except for the basic belief that God has an end to this age in mind.

I don’t claim to have it all figured out, either. That is the realm of the troofer.

400 pingjockey  Apr 2, 2009 6:30:47pm

re: #391 Charles
He didn’t used to sound this whacked when he was on CNN, or at least I didn’t catch him on a day when he went around the bend. Now, on Fox, it seems to be SOP.

401 pat  Apr 2, 2009 6:30:49pm

Attorney fees are still to be dealt with. Depending on the nature of the suit, and I have not been paying attention, it could be millions. And the lawyer will back door some to his client as is common in civil rights suits.

402 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 6:31:28pm

re: #387 Killgore Trout

In what sense? The failure of what exactly?

It’s a generalization. Failure, for me, is not an absolute negative if it provides a positive learning experience.

403 coloradobuff  Apr 2, 2009 6:31:34pm

What a wonderful thing for my alma mater to hire an attorney capable of screwing up the school’s defense against a former professor that so obviously deserved his termination. He may have received a laughable compensation, but it appears entirely possible now that he will get his job back. If that actually occurs, I doubt I can stomach sending any of my four kids (three of them in high school right now) to that place. Great, just great. I hope other alumni feel the same way.

I also don’t think I can support anything going on at that school, including the football team I love to follow. A sad day in my book.

404 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 6:31:39pm

re: #402 Sharmuta

It’s a generalization. Failure, for me, is not an absolute negative if it provides a positive learning experience.

It’s the Tao……

405 Bubblehead II  Apr 2, 2009 6:31:48pm

re: #373 J.D.

That’s merely Tennessee whiskey.

If I were going that route, I’d shoot for THE REAL THING, or at least some other sort of real Kentucky Bourbon.

Like I said, I am a Crown man myself. Burned out on JD a long time ago.

406 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 6:31:49pm

re: #248 Gus 802

Yes, in fact I agree that that does occur. However, making a blanket generalization on all atheists is wrong.

* * * *
Pardon me, please note I said LAZY atheists, not ALL atheists.

Duly diligent atheists who want to poke fun fairly at all bad or hypocritical “religious” behavior are free to do so. With my blessing.

407 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 6:31:56pm

re: #398 Sharmuta

Dark Falcon- I will also say this. I know some people who were either atheists or agnostics who, when left to travel their spiritual path on their own through the course of their life, came back to God (for lack of a better term). Whether it was an experience with death, or the birth of a child, or something else. It one of the reasons I get uncomfortable with people pushing religion even privately in their personal time. People seeking a better relationship/understanding with God will do so on their own, in my experience. Pushing them causes backlash.

I favor advocacy, but never pushing.

408 avanti  Apr 2, 2009 6:32:04pm

re: #394 kansas

Just because Democrats say the justice department is entirely political doesn’t make that true.

If they are not, it’s even harder to blame politics.

409 Spare O'Lake  Apr 2, 2009 6:32:23pm

re: #360 quickjustice

Purely as a matter of numbers, there are definitely more immoral “Christians” than immoral atheists. That’s because there are more persons who self-identify as Christians than self-identify as atheists.

But if morality is defined by norms, as I believe it is, then norms (i.e., “Thou shalt not murder.”) are rooted in religion. Can an atheist adhere to religious norms? Certainly. But why should he? Norms are religious values. By definition, an atheist doesn’t believe in religion.

If the atheist’s reference for norms is to a legal system, then the legislature can change legal “norms” overnight. It can go from tolerance for Jews to outlawing Judaism. “There arose a Pharaoh who knew not Joseph.”

Judging groups (Christians or atheists) by their conduct is a valid way to compare them. But if Christians are indistinguishable from atheists (because they’re no better in the way they conduct themselves), they’re very poor Christians indeed.

You think Christianity invented morality?

410 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 6:32:25pm

re: #377 albusteve

may Odin curse you…or whoever

All praise Xenu!

//

411 FrogMarch  Apr 2, 2009 6:32:58pm

Ward Churchill is into property destruction. I wonder how many CU donors are going to pull the financial plug?

412 pingjockey  Apr 2, 2009 6:33:12pm

re: #410 Gus 802
No Xenus is good Xenus.

413 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 6:33:19pm

re: #407 Dark_Falcon

I favor advocacy, but never pushing.

I think those who seek are more open to the message. Those who do not seek are closed.

414 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:33:30pm

re: #405 Bubblehead II

Like I said, I am a Crown man myself. Burned out on JD a long time ago.

I was born in KY, so I may be biased.
;-)

415 The Shadow Do  Apr 2, 2009 6:34:15pm

re: #355 Gus 802

Seems to be at the moment. I had another crown done but they did a root canal for that one. The one that hurts was just put atop the existing tooth without much work. Comfort Dental did that no less. I consider them the Just Brakes of dentistry.

Good analogy. See the dentist. I had an ill fitted crown that I thought I would get used do…not, even after several weeks of pain. The crown needs reworked. When mine was redone (filed down) the agony was done with immediately.

416 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2009 6:34:18pm

re: #378 Irish Rose

Did they ever find her, btw?
She had cancer if I remember correctly, and slunk off to some undisclosed location to die by herself so that she wouldn’t be mourned over by “Christers”.

An incredibly obnoxious, hate-filled woman.

I think she was murdered by another member of the sect, over some money.

417 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 6:34:37pm

re: #406 alegrias

* * * *
Pardon me, please note I said LAZY atheists, not ALL atheists.

Duly diligent atheists who want to poke fun fairly at all bad or hypocritical “religious” behavior are free to do so. With my blessing.

Roger. Atheists can just as easily poke fun at other atheists. One example could be the aforementioned Madeline Murray O’Hare.

418 ConservatismNow!  Apr 2, 2009 6:34:54pm

re: #337 NukeAtomrod

I agree.

However, I’ve heard many atheists suggest that religion is the cause of all wars and evil in the world. That’s obviously ridiculous.

Also, the movement to remove “under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance and “In God We Trust” from our currency is an insane waste of time.

Otherwise, atheists are fine.

Those atheists who want to remove “In God We Trust” are just busybodies and rabblerousers. They piss me off just as much as the busybodies and gossipmongers that I met in my churchgoing days. The atheists who declare that religion is the cause of all wars are just as bad as the televangelists who frown at me through my TV set, furrow their brow and then tell me that we’re going to hell if we don’t a. get to church right now or b. send him $20. Am I bitter? Not really. I just don’t like having my own personal relationship with God to be questioned by anyone, regardless of faith.

Ok. Rant off.

419 Dar ul Harbarian  Apr 2, 2009 6:34:56pm

A neat little video on the evolution of single cellular to multicellular life

420 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:35:02pm
421 Cognito  Apr 2, 2009 6:35:17pm

re: #391 Charles

Yep. He’s a huckster/kook who’s surfing on the extreme right wing.

I knew Glenn Beck was a fraud when I saw him conducting a serious, uncritical interview with John Edward.

No, no — not John Edwards, the American politician.

John Edward, the guy who claims to speak with the dead.

Goodbye, Glenn Beck.

422 Kragar  Apr 2, 2009 6:35:35pm

re: #414 J.D.

I was born in KY, so I may be biased.
;-)

Since when did they start using KY during child birth?

/

423 The Shadow Do  Apr 2, 2009 6:35:48pm

re: #395 avanti

His ratings are now second only to O’Reily, if they move him to prime time, he’ll be number one. If that happens, look for the rest of them to out crazy Beck for ratings.

Don’t think so. Beck has a short shelf life and this will prove out soon enough.

424 Taqiyyotomist  Apr 2, 2009 6:35:52pm

re: #382 Charles

I won’t argue it either - this is your house, I respect you more than you can know. Besides, I’ve never convinced anyone.

Analogy: I know how to play guitar, no clue how to teach others how.

425 Killgore Trout  Apr 2, 2009 6:36:03pm

re: #402 Sharmuta

It’s a generalization. Failure, for me, is not an absolute negative if it provides a positive learning experience.

I general terms failure is not always bad.

The first soap was made with the ashes of heroes. Like the first monkey shot into space. Without pain, without sacrifice we would have nothing.


-Tyler Durden

426 victor_yugo  Apr 2, 2009 6:36:04pm

re: #403 coloradobuff

I share your pain. My own school betrayed me when they invited Al Gore to talk about climate, and an Islamist to be their “theologian in residence.”

I’ll never again set foot on that campus, and I have requested that the alumni office strike my name from all their lists.

427 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 2, 2009 6:36:09pm

re: #421 Cognito

I knew Glenn Beck was a fraud when I saw him conducting a serious, uncritical interview with John Edward.

No, no — not John Edwards, the American politician.

John Edward, the guy who claims to speak with the dead.

Goodbye, Glenn Beck.

They’re not the same guy?

428 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:36:22pm

re: #420 J.D.

Oops! Maybe here.
But that’s a good one, too!
LOL!

429 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 6:36:40pm

re: #425 Killgore Trout

OK- just wanted to know. Thanks, Hon.

430 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 6:37:09pm

re: #378 Irish Rose

Did they ever find her, btw?
She had cancer if I remember correctly, and slunk off to some undisclosed location to die by herself so that she wouldn’t be mourned over by “Christers”.

An incredibly obnoxious, hate-filled woman.



Kidnapped and murdered.
The circumstances of her demise had a bit of influence on my theory about persons with the Superior Being attitude.

431 Cognito  Apr 2, 2009 6:37:13pm

re: #427 Alouette

They’re not the same guy?

Not at all. John Edward claims to speak with the dead.

John Edwards wins their votes.

(Ba-ding.)

432 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 6:37:48pm

re: #430 The Other Les


Kidnapped and murdered.
The circumstances of her demise had a bit of influence on my theory about persons with the Superior Being attitude.

Wasn’t her son a suspect?

433 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:37:49pm

re: #422 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Since when did they start using KY during child birth?

/


:-P

434 avanti  Apr 2, 2009 6:38:09pm

re: #423 The Shadow Do

Don’t think so. Beck has a short shelf life and this will prove out soon enough.

I hope you are correct, the guy is a bit much.

435 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 6:38:18pm

re: #284 pink freud

Palin calls for Begich’s resignation

Gov. Sarah Palin (R-Alaska) called on Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska ) Thursday to step down from his seat and run in a special election in the wake of the Justice Department’s decision to drop corruption charges against former Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska). Begich narrowly defeated Stevens in 2008, a contest overshadowed by Stevens’ October conviction.

* * * * *
Thank you for posting this.

Democrat Alaskan Mr. Elton similarly trumped up malicious charges against Sarah Palin during the two last months of the presidential race, related to her exbrother in law the wife abuser who was fired for drinking on the job.

436 jwpaine  Apr 2, 2009 6:38:28pm

re: #375 FrogMarch

I’m not sure, but I think you misunderstand me. My point was that publicizing Churchill’s many outrageous remarks might have been a useful strategy pre-trial to prejudice the jury pool. During the trial, it would have merely reinforced the opinion that CU fired Churchill because of that speech.

I agree with your other conclusions, although I think even this MacJury would have found for CU had O’Rourke done his job.

437 rightymouse  Apr 2, 2009 6:38:55pm

re: #345 Taqiyyotomist

If you are looking for a yes or no, I’d have to say, yes. The Bible makes ample mention of last days.

As the daughter of a Biblical translator (he’s an ancient Greek expert), my counsel is to do some research into Biblical translation and the origins of the texts used. It is unwise, IMHO, to take some of these ‘end of days’ texts literally.

My belief in G-d is integral to who I am and I do try to live by example, although I know that I shall fail at times because I am human and therefore fallible. I don’t believe in a G-d who would destroy what He has created.

438 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 6:39:30pm

re: #410 Gus 802

All praise Xenu!

//

Praise “Bob”!

439 Killian Bundy  Apr 2, 2009 6:39:32pm

re: #391 Charles

Yep. He’s a huckster/kook who’s riding on the extreme right wing.

/I wonder how many gullible people, hurt by the recession, have stayed out of the stock market because of Beck’s constant apocalyptic doomsday bull[expletive deleted] and missed the nice 20% bull run this last month?

440 victor_yugo  Apr 2, 2009 6:39:42pm

re: #430 The Other Les


Kidnapped and murdered.
The circumstances of her demise had a bit of influence on my theory about persons with the Superior Being attitude.

Persons who believe in a Superior Being, or persons who believe they are the Superior Being?

441 Cognito  Apr 2, 2009 6:40:03pm

re: #439 Killian Bundy

/I wonder how many gullible people, hurt by the recession, have stayed out of the stock market because of Beck’s constant apocalyptic doomsday bull[expletive deleted] and missed the nice 20% bull run this last month?

Not me.

Unfortunately I’m still way, way in the red.

442 rightymouse  Apr 2, 2009 6:40:17pm

re: #393 The Other Les

Madelyn Murray O’Hair is also someone else I wouldn’t waste urine on.


She’s dead. Nasty end, too, IIRC.

443 Truck Monkey  Apr 2, 2009 6:40:25pm

re: #434 avanti

I hope you are correct, the guy is a bit much.

I like when he cries on the TV. I feel like sending my checks directly to him instead of through his advertisers!

/NOT

444 Capitalistincharge  Apr 2, 2009 6:40:26pm

Hey Lizards! As I’ve said before I hit the parent jackpot when I was born. Just got a call from my 75 year old mom who was so excited she sounded 15. They had a CD mature and had wondered what to do with the money. Mom said since Obama is in charge, she doesn’t feel good about reinvesting. So, they bought a Segway for one of our wounded heros. She just got a call from Segs4Vets and invited to Walter Reed to see their Vet receive his Segway, learn to use it and meet his family. They are also going to be treated to dinner at Ruth Chris Steakhouse with the Vet and his family. Dad (decorated combat vet of Korea) got on the phone and got choked up. He said “Kid, we didn’t do this to be thanked, I just don’t know if we should go.” I assured him and mother that indeed they should go and enjoy. They’ve never been to DC before.

445 pink freud  Apr 2, 2009 6:40:42pm

re: #435 alegrias

You’re welcome, alegrias. Please accept my apology for being a shit earlier.

446 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 6:40:48pm

re: #438 The Other Les

Praise “Bob”!

Whatever happened to the “Bob” movement?

//

447 jwpaine  Apr 2, 2009 6:41:02pm

re: #403 coloradobuff

My condolences. The sad truth is CU never should have hired him in the first place. Everything follows from that.

448 quickjustice  Apr 2, 2009 6:41:28pm

re: #362 alegrias

Mel Gibson loves Michael Moore, hates George Bush, and offered to finance Farenheit 9/11.

449 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 6:41:28pm
450 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 6:41:40pm

re: #446 Gus 802

Whatever happened to the “Bob” movement?

//

subgenius.com

451 Cognito  Apr 2, 2009 6:41:42pm

re: #444 Capitalistincharge

Lovely set of parents you’ve got, sounds like.

452 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:41:45pm

The G20 summit
The Obama effect

Apr 2nd 2009
From The Economist print edition
The disarming charm of Barack Obama at the G20 in London

BARACK OBAMA had difficulty pronouncing the name of his Russian counterpart, Dmitry Medvedev, but people forgave him. In fact, they forgave him for almost everything: his aura seemed to glow ever brighter as he made his first foray into global, crisis-busting diplomacy.

A general willingness to give Mr Obama the benefit of the doubt was palpable even among the exuberant anti-capitalist demonstrators jamming the streets of London’s financial district—a minority of whom turned violent and clashed with police as they attacked a branch of the Royal Bank of Scotland. “He’s got good morals,” conceded a graffiti artist called Monkey, while helping his friend scale a traffic light and drape a banner: it depicted a grim reaper clutching fistfuls of banknotes.

Nico, a French resident of London who sported a cardboard box over his head (to denounce climate-change denial), said in muffled tones that he was “not sure about Obama—but he can’t be worse than George Bush.” Anyway, he opined, “the problem is the madness of the economic system—growth wrecks the environment.”…


He has broad appeal, huh?

453 rawmuse  Apr 2, 2009 6:42:05pm

re: #444 Capitalistincharge

Kudos! Your mom is first rate.

454 Truck Monkey  Apr 2, 2009 6:42:07pm

re: #439 Killian Bundy

/I wonder how many gullible people, hurt by the recession, have stayed out of the stock market because of Beck’s constant apocalyptic doomsday bull[expletive deleted] and missed the nice 20% bull run this last month?

*sheepishly raises hand, looks around for others to do the same.*

455 victor_yugo  Apr 2, 2009 6:42:08pm

re: #437 rightymouse

I don’t believe in a G-d who would destroy what He has created.

The farmer doesn’t harvest the entire bean plant or corn stalk, even though it grew because the farmer planted it.

456 The Shadow Do  Apr 2, 2009 6:42:15pm

re: #434 avanti

I hope you are correct, the guy is a bit much.

Maudlin bore he is.

457 pink freud  Apr 2, 2009 6:42:27pm

re: #444 Capitalistincharge

Hey Lizards! As I’ve said before I hit the parent jackpot when I was born. Just got a call from my 75 year old mom who was so excited she sounded 15. They had a CD mature and had wondered what to do with the money. Mom said since Obama is in charge, she doesn’t feel good about reinvesting. So, they bought a Segway for one of our wounded heros. She just got a call from Segs4Vets and invited to Walter Reed to see their Vet receive his Segway, learn to use it and meet his family. They are also going to be treated to dinner at Ruth Chris Steakhouse with the Vet and his family. Dad (decorated combat vet of Korea) got on the phone and got choked up. He said “Kid, we didn’t do this to be thanked, I just don’t know if we should go.” I assured him and mother that indeed they should go and enjoy. They’ve never been to DC before.

Aw man, what a NICE story! You’re right about the jackpot. :-)

458 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 6:42:33pm

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

[Link: www.subgenius.com…]

There it is! Thanks.

459 pingjockey  Apr 2, 2009 6:42:38pm

re: #444 Capitalistincharge
My thanks to your parents and a “Bravo Zulu” from this retired squid. That is so great.

460 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 6:42:51pm

re: #326 Gus 802

That’s not really the point but just in case: replace Falwell with Pat Robertson.

* * *
Dear Gus,

It is ignorant of the various sects of Christianity developed over two thousand years together to pretend Pat Robertson, a Protestant televangelist, or ANY single Christian, represents the breadth and depth of the vastly diverse whole found on most of the planet’s continents.

461 Kragar  Apr 2, 2009 6:43:07pm

re: #410 Gus 802

All praise Xenu!

//

The Emperor protects, xenos scum.

//

462 Fenway_Nation  Apr 2, 2009 6:43:20pm

re: #444 Capitalistincharge

I regret that I have but one upding to give…

/unless I bring some of my sockpuppets out of retirement.

463 ConservatismNow!  Apr 2, 2009 6:43:27pm

re: #444 Capitalistincharge

Yeah, seriously. That’s a great story.

464 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 6:43:42pm

re: #458 Gus 802

There it is! Thanks.

And I have memberships available at 20 dollars per…

465 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:43:54pm

re: #444 Capitalistincharge

You’re right!
Those are some nice folks you have there!

466 ConservatismNow!  Apr 2, 2009 6:44:02pm

re: #461 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

The Emperor protects, xenos scum.

//

EVER VIGILANT!

467 Mithrax  Apr 2, 2009 6:44:03pm

re: #461 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

The Emperor protects, xenos scum.

//

Heh.

Adeptus Ministorum ;)

My next tattoo is going to be an Inquisitorial Rosette

468 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 6:44:08pm

re: #460 alegrias

* * *
Dear Gus,

It is ignorant of the various sects of Christianity developed over two thousand years together to pretend Pat Robertson, a Protestant televangelist, or ANY single Christian, represents the breadth and depth of the vastly diverse whole found on most of the planet’s continents.

Exactly.

Why do you keep saying “Dear Gus?” :)

469 quickjustice  Apr 2, 2009 6:44:13pm

re: #409 Spare O’Lake

No, but Charles was comparing Christians and atheists. Those were the “control groups”. Christianity clearly arose out of Judaism. All of its founders were messianic Jews. They believed that Jesus of Nazareth was Messhiach, the Messiah foretold by the Prophets in Tanak, and the Prophet Isaiah in particular.

470 victor_yugo  Apr 2, 2009 6:44:15pm

re: #446 Gus 802

Whatever happened to the “Bob” movement

I’m using Slackware Linux, so named because its founder, Patrick Volkerding, is a member of the Church of the Subgenius.

471 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 6:44:23pm

re: #440 victor_yugo

Persons who believe in a Superior Being, or persons who believe they are the Superior Being?

Persons who believe they are, or present themselves as, superior to other people in general. Ward Churchill for example.

472 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:45:56pm

re: #449 Dark_Falcon

LOL! Loves it.

Michael Ramirez’s stuff is always good.

473 Buster Bunny  Apr 2, 2009 6:46:14pm

re: #471 The Other Les

Persons who believe they are, or present themselves as, superior to other people in general. Ward Churchill for example.

Ward Churchill is superior to a crouton.

Not much else.

474 ConservatismNow!  Apr 2, 2009 6:46:25pm

re: #471 The Other Les

Persons who believe they are, or present themselves as, superior to other people in general. Ward Churchill for example.

You know, I had a theory on heavy traffic that involved superior beings.

475 sngnsgt  Apr 2, 2009 6:46:27pm

Under Obama’s plan, he gets to keep what, about 13 cents?

476 Mithrax  Apr 2, 2009 6:46:35pm

re: #473 Buster Bunny

Ward Churchill is superior to a crouton.

Not much else.

Insulting to the crouton methinks.

477 pingjockey  Apr 2, 2009 6:46:36pm

re: #471 The Other Les
Ward Churchill is the poster child for what is wrong with our universities today. How long had CU allowed him to go on teaching after they knew he was a fraud and had perpetrated frauds?

478 Kragar  Apr 2, 2009 6:46:38pm

re: #467 Mithrax

Heh.

Adeptus Ministorum ;)

My next tattoo is going to be an Inquisitorial Rosette

Always partial to this one:

“No Army is big enough to conquer the galaxy. But faith alone can overturn the universe.”

479 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 6:46:49pm

re: #446 Gus 802

Whatever happened to the “Bob” movement?

//

They’re still around. The last time I checked they were only charging $30 for eternal salvation. (Or triple your money back.)

480 Buster Bunny  Apr 2, 2009 6:47:01pm

re: #476 Mithrax

Insulting to the crouton methinks.

Bread bits can take it.

481 Truck Monkey  Apr 2, 2009 6:47:13pm

re: #473 Buster Bunny

Ward Churchill is superior to a crouton.

Not much else.

Have you ever had a real good Pepperidge Farm baked big crouton? Think about it……

482 Taqiyyotomist  Apr 2, 2009 6:47:30pm

re: #467 Mithrax

Heh.

Adeptus Ministorum ;)

My next tattoo is going to be an Inquisitorial Rosette

Why?

483 ConservatismNow!  Apr 2, 2009 6:47:42pm

re: #478 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Always partial to this one:

“No Army is big enough to conquer the galaxy. But faith alone can overturn the universe.”

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt. That one always cracked me up.

484 Mithrax  Apr 2, 2009 6:47:43pm

re: #478 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Always partial to this one:

“No Army is big enough to conquer the galaxy. But faith alone can overturn the universe.”

“Knowledge is power, guard it well”

485 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 6:47:59pm

re: #479 The Other Les

They’re still around. The last time I checked they were only charging $30 for eternal salvation. (Or triple your money back.)

That would make a great comedy routine. Something like Monty Pythons.

“Yes, I would like to get a refund…”

486 Sheepdogess  Apr 2, 2009 6:48:20pm

re: #292 Sharmuta

And I think the issue is being blown a bit out of proportion by people like bill o’reily. This nation is overwhelmingly populated by people of faith.

Perhaps, but the entertainment industry is not and they have much influence. They despise Judeo-Christain values (makes them feel bad). EXODUS and FIDDLER ON THE ROOF are never shown on TV. Amazing Grace, the historically accurate film about a white Christian abolitionist who gave up gambling and drinking, converted to Christianity and abolished the slave trade in GB, was one of the best of it’s kind ever made. It didn’t get a mention at the academy awards and was in theaters for only a couple of weeks. Munich, (historical fiction that is sympathetic to the terrorists) on the other hand, gets a best picture nomination.

487 Mithrax  Apr 2, 2009 6:48:35pm

re: #482 Taqiyyotomist

Why?

why not? I like the pattern.

488 Truck Monkey  Apr 2, 2009 6:48:42pm

re: #483 ConservatismNow!

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt. That one always cracked me up.

How do you feel about them electing our President?

489 Killian Bundy  Apr 2, 2009 6:48:55pm

re: #454 Truck Monkey

*sheepishly raises hand, looks around for others to do the same.*

Ignore the pundits.

/don’t fight the tape

490 quickjustice  Apr 2, 2009 6:49:07pm

re: #373 J.D.

“Merely” Tennessee whiskey? Jack Daniels? How dare you, sir!

491 OldLineTexan  Apr 2, 2009 6:49:13pm

re: #446 Gus 802

Whatever happened to the “Bob” movement?

//

Priapism.

492 Mithrax  Apr 2, 2009 6:49:16pm

re: #478 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Always partial to this one:

“No Army is big enough to conquer the galaxy. But faith alone can overturn the universe.”

Oh, for Fantasy, they created the fluff book “The Witch Hunter’s Guidebook”

The holy Chicken of Sigmar is a hoot.

493 ConservatismNow!  Apr 2, 2009 6:49:56pm

re: #492 Mithrax

The Black Templars book has a piece of Wargear called the Hand Grenade of Antioch.

494 Son of the Black Dog  Apr 2, 2009 6:49:59pm

One thought on the Ward Churchill trial. Maybe the university threw the fight. The administration probably has the usual leftist orientation, but felt the political pressure strongly enough that they had to give Ward the boot. Now, however, they can point to the court decision as proof that they have to reinstate him with full honors, backpay, etc. We didn’t want to, but the court made us do it.

495 mich-again  Apr 2, 2009 6:50:03pm

The good news is, you won a dollar.
The bad news is your lawyer gets a third of it.

496 Gus  Apr 2, 2009 6:50:06pm

re: #491 OldLineTexan

Priapism.

D’oh!

497 FrogMarch  Apr 2, 2009 6:50:12pm

re: #436 jwpaine

OK - I see what you mean. I was confused, but you cleared it up.


your entry at PB:

Once the initial public outrage faded, unfortunately, CU returned to its happy place: sloth and incompetence.

Indeed
&

An aside: For the first time in at least two years, we’ve been listening to the live feed of KHOW radio (to hear of the verdict as soon as possible). The station features the show Caplis & Silverman, who for the past few days have seemed convinced that CU needed to slam the jury with sound-bite after sound-bite of Churchill’s many incendiary remarks. We doubt few things O’Rourke could have done would have helped Churchill’s case more, but this is one of those things. CU dwelling on Churchill’s outrageous remarks would have further convinced the jury that CU’s firing of Churchill was motivated by those remarks rather than by outrage at his plagiarism, his unethical ghostwriting practices, and his historical fraud.

498 Kragar  Apr 2, 2009 6:50:28pm

re: #483 ConservatismNow!

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt. That one always cracked me up.

Place your faith in the Emperor, and always carry a big gun.

499 Spare O'Lake  Apr 2, 2009 6:50:31pm

Many televangelists prosper by sucking the blood of vulnerable, lonely, gullible shut-ins.
Mel Gibson is a dirty anti-semitic bastard…and a great actor.

500 Mithrax  Apr 2, 2009 6:50:35pm

re: #493 ConservatismNow!

The Black Templars book has a piece of Wargear called the Hand Grenade of Antioch.

Yup. And it kicks major ass too.

501 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 6:50:42pm

re: #329 FrogMarch

Is Letterman paid by the Obama campaign?

* * *
Probably not per se, but Letterman works for NBC which I believe is run by Obama supporter Mr. Zucker.

502 victor_yugo  Apr 2, 2009 6:50:47pm

re: #484 Mithrax

“Knowledge is power, guard it well”

Girls are evil. Proof:

Girls require time and money. But “time is money,” so it’s money and money, or (money^2), and since “money is the root of all evil,” then girls are evil. Q.E.D.

503 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 6:50:50pm
504 Bubblehead II  Apr 2, 2009 6:50:58pm

re: #414 J.D.

I was born in KY, so I may be biased.
;-)

And I was born in and still reside in Idaho.

/ So those spuds you tonight had better have been from Idaho

505 stevieray  Apr 2, 2009 6:51:18pm

re: #431 Cognito

Not at all. John Edward claims to speak with the dead.

John Edwards wins their votes.

(Ba-ding.)

Actually… that’s not true. Both claim to talk to the dead. John Edwards famously channeled a dead baby in court to win a lawsuit against a doctor at least once.

506 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 6:51:41pm

re: #494 Son of the Black Dog

One thought on the Ward Churchill trial. Maybe the university threw the fight. The administration probably has the usual leftist orientation, but felt the political pressure strongly enough that they had to give Ward the boot. Now, however, they can point to the court decision as proof that they have to reinstate him with full honors, backpay, etc. We didn’t want to, but the court made us do it.

The administration is conservative, with one liberal.

507 Buster Bunny  Apr 2, 2009 6:51:45pm

re: #503 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, PBS in New York has shown Fiddler on the Roof several times in the last year—though of course the demographic here means that they are pandering to their contributor base.

Exodus used to be shown on commercial TV, back in the pre-cable days—but most broadcast stations don’t show movies at all these days anyway.

Talking about Religious exposure ….

I am very much missing my midday Elvis movies.

508 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:52:06pm

re: #490 quickjustice

“Merely” Tennessee whiskey? Jack Daniels? How dare you, sir!

I am not a sir!

Anybody can make whiskey. It’s no thang.
You can only make Bourbon in Kentucky.

509 Mithrax  Apr 2, 2009 6:52:07pm

re: #502 victor_yugo

Girls are evil. Proof:

Girls require time and money. But “time is money,” so it’s money and money, or (money^2), and since “money is the root of all evil,” then girls are evil. Q.E.D.

Lol

Reminds me of the conversation in the Tom Hanks movie Volunteers

“If time is money, and money is power, time is power right? So what’s money?

Money is money”

510 Son of the Black Dog  Apr 2, 2009 6:52:20pm

re: #356 Dark_Falcon

He was called B1 Bob because the B1 was built in his district and he pushed relentlessly to get more of them built. That said, he was fairly butty, and I don’t miss his absence from the political stage.

He might have been “butty”, but he only lost his seat in Congress because a lot of illegals were allowed to cast ballots for Loretta Sanchez.

511 SteveC  Apr 2, 2009 6:52:39pm

Evening ya’ll!

512 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 6:52:43pm

re: #461 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

The Emperor protects, xenos scum.

//

Warhammer 40K?

I’m a Traveller guy myself.

Long live Emperor Strephon!

513 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:52:47pm

re: #491 OldLineTexan

Priapism.

Now that’s just wrong.
LOL!

514 Taqiyyotomist  Apr 2, 2009 6:53:01pm

re: #487 Mithrax

why not? I like the pattern.

LOL. I was seeing things which are not there.
Warhammer. Gotcha.

515 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 6:54:14pm
516 mich-again  Apr 2, 2009 6:54:16pm

I have found a mysterious pattern in the final four teams.

The finals are in Ford Field in Detroit.
One team is from the State of Michigan
One team is a Chevy nameplate. Yukon. er U Conn.
One team is VillaNOVA. Another Chevy nameplate.
One team is North CARolina.

517 Dr. Shalit  Apr 2, 2009 6:54:22pm

re: #391 Charles

Yep. He’s a huckster/kook who’s surfing on the extreme right wing.

Charles -

Roger Ailes producing “Network” - Good TV (Entertainment) so far though.

-S-

518 SteveC  Apr 2, 2009 6:54:38pm

re: #509 Mithrax

Lol

Reminds me of the conversation in the Tom Hanks movie Volunteers

“If time is money, and money is power, time is power right? So what’s money?

Money is money”

“Damn, son! Would you like a job in my administration?” - TOTUS

519 jamgarr  Apr 2, 2009 6:54:55pm

re: #515 buzzsawmonkey

You’re not dissing the duck-billed priapus, I hope.


A mental image I did not need!

520 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 6:54:57pm

re: #476 Mithrax

Insulting to the crouton methinks.

Agreed. Croutons are useful for something. Ward Churchill is worth less than his weight in pigeon droppings.

521 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 6:55:12pm

re: #494 Son of the Black Dog

I just wanted to say- it’s good to see you around again. :)

522 Buster Bunny  Apr 2, 2009 6:55:21pm

re: #502 victor_yugo

Girls are evil. Proof:

Girls require time and money. But “time is money,” so it’s money and money, or (money^2), and since “money is the root of all evil,” then girls are evil. Q.E.D.

In physics class in our spare time, we tried to define an equation that stated the proportionate amounts of money needed to invest to get love and devotion from the other sex. So some bright patootie sparks up and tries to separate them into two separate equations .. one for women and one for gay men.

We got several plausible equation possibilities but no solution.

523 Sheepdogess  Apr 2, 2009 6:55:32pm

re: #504 Bubblehead II

We will be Idahoans in June!

524 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 6:55:40pm

re: #444 Capitalistincharge

Hey Lizards! As I’ve said before I hit the parent jackpot when I was born. Just got a call from my 75 year old mom who was so excited she sounded 15. They had a CD mature and had wondered what to do with the money. Mom said since Obama is in charge, she doesn’t feel good about reinvesting. So, they bought a Segway for one of our wounded heros. She just got a call from Segs4Vets and invited to Walter Reed to see their Vet receive his Segway, learn to use it and meet his family. They are also going to be treated to dinner at Ruth Chris Steakhouse with the Vet and his family. Dad (decorated combat vet of Korea) got on the phone and got choked up. He said “Kid, we didn’t do this to be thanked, I just don’t know if we should go.” I assured him and mother that indeed they should go and enjoy. They’ve never been to DC before.

* * **
That is fantastic news! Yes your parents should go to Walter Reed Army Hospital & see their “investment” in the best Americans we have!
Please thank your Dad for his service in Korea.
We are so fortunate to have citizens like your dad and mom who also served her country.

525 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 6:55:45pm

re: #504 Bubblehead II

And I was born in and still reside in Idaho.

/ So those spuds you tonight had better have been from Idaho

My new manager came from Idaho!
I don’t actually know anyone else from there…

Naturally, I insist on real Idaho potatoes.

526 rawmuse  Apr 2, 2009 6:55:53pm

re: #503 buzzsawmonkey

You can usually count on “The Ten Commandments” on (pretty soon, Easter and Passover time).

My fave scene, Jimmy Cagney, in charge of the making of the Golden Calf, mocking Moses “Where’s your God now, Moses?”

Yul Brynner, Charlton Heston, Massed armies, full orchestra score, with 100 voice choral.

Priceless.

527 Bubblehead II  Apr 2, 2009 6:55:58pm

re: #504 Bubblehead II

And I was born in and still reside in Idaho.

/ So those spuds you ate tonight had better have been from Idaho

*pimf*

528 OldLineTexan  Apr 2, 2009 6:56:08pm

re: #515 buzzsawmonkey

You’re not dissing the duck-billed priapus, I hope.

Walk PROUD, my lad.

529 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 6:56:35pm

re: #510 Son of the Black Dog

He might have been “butty”, but he only lost his seat in Congress because a lot of illegals were allowed to cast ballots for Loretta Sanchez.

Agreed. Also PIMF for “butty” as it should have been “nutty”.

530 HoosierHoops  Apr 2, 2009 6:56:37pm

re: #516 mich-again

I have found a mysterious pattern in the final four teams.

The finals are in Ford Field in Detroit.
One team is from the State of Michigan
One team is a Chevy nameplate. Yukon. er U Conn.
One team is VillaNOVA. Another Chevy nameplate.
One team is North CARolina.

And one team will be the National NCAA Champion next week..
/

531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Apr 2, 2009 6:56:41pm

re: #10 PJ61

he doesnt get his job back ,right?

That, by itself is worth a buck.

532 Son of the Black Dog  Apr 2, 2009 6:56:54pm

re: #369 avanti

It was not his parties justice department that made the error, so hard to blame him IMHO.

As with most, if not all, government agencies, the career people at Justice are committed leftists, and don’t have a problem using their authority to advance the left’s agenda.

533 quickjustice  Apr 2, 2009 6:56:58pm

re: #508 J.D.

Excuse me, Madam, but Tennessee Sipping Whiskey is unique. Both the mash and the charcoal filtering are sui generis. And Volunteers beat Wildcats any day! ;-)

534 Buster Bunny  Apr 2, 2009 6:57:02pm

re: #515 buzzsawmonkey

You’re not dissing the duck-billed priapus, I hope.

It cant swim very well .. but thanks to its elongated appendage it turns on a dime !

535 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 6:57:31pm
536 OldLineTexan  Apr 2, 2009 6:57:43pm

re: #516 mich-again

I have found a mysterious pattern in the final four teams.

The finals are in Ford Field in Detroit.
One team is from the State of Michigan
One team is a Chevy nameplate. Yukon. er U Conn.
One team is VillaNOVA. Another Chevy nameplate.
One team is North CARolina.

4 8 15 16 23 42

537 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 6:57:45pm

re: #477 pingjockey

Ward Churchill is the poster child for what is wrong with our universities today. How long had CU allowed him to go on teaching after they knew he was a fraud and had perpetrated frauds?

Possibly because some of the people involved on the management level are false authorities themselves.

538 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 6:57:51pm

re: #448 quickjustice

Mel Gibson loves Michael Moore, hates George Bush, and offered to finance Farenheit 9/11.

* * * *
So sad.
I only liked him in his early film about the Crimea, back in the 1970s!

539 Bubblehead II  Apr 2, 2009 6:58:20pm

re: #523 Sheepdogess

We will be Idahoans in June!

Cool! What location?

540 quickjustice  Apr 2, 2009 6:58:41pm

re: #532 Son of the Black Dog

There were plenty of Federalist Society members at Justice under Clinton and Bush. I don’t know whether Holder has flushed them out yet.

541 SteveC  Apr 2, 2009 6:58:47pm

re: #533 quickjustice

And Volunteers beat Wildcats any day! ;-)

EVERYBODY beat the Wildcats this year!

542 rightymouse  Apr 2, 2009 6:58:49pm

re: #477 pingjockey

Ward Churchill is the poster child for what is wrong with our universities today. How long had CU allowed him to go on teaching after they knew he was a fraud and had perpetrated frauds?

I don’t think they cared until he was exposed as a fraud. And that’s what’s wrong with our universities today. They’ll hire anyone they think is kinky, edgy, radical and/or provides some kind of ‘frisson’ in the name of being ‘cool’ or ‘different’ to further their silly ‘causes’. It’s like a continuation of high school except the people in charge call it ‘higher education’ and get paid for their immature nonsense.

Look at Bill Ayers and his wife. Where else could they have jobs except ‘higher education’?

543 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 6:58:50pm
544 stevieray  Apr 2, 2009 6:58:51pm

re: #494 Son of the Black Dog

One thought on the Ward Churchill trial. Maybe the university threw the fight. The administration probably has the usual leftist orientation, but felt the political pressure strongly enough that they had to give Ward the boot. Now, however, they can point to the court decision as proof that they have to reinstate him with full honors, backpay, etc. We didn’t want to, but the court made us do it.

I think they presented a half-hearted defense for a simple reason — a full-throated defense would mean going to war against most of their race/gender/literature departments.

If they pounded his lack of scholarship and dearth of evidence behind his “work”, they would be holding him to a standard that many in their humanities departments cannot meet. It would fundamentally change the admin vs. faculty relationship forever. Many of them would see that they could be fired too, and would preemptively undermine the faculty from this day forward.

It would come down to a question — “Who runs the school?” And the faculty were afraid to find out.

545 rawmuse  Apr 2, 2009 6:59:31pm

re: #535 buzzsawmonkey

Gad, you’re right! I stand corrected.

546 pingjockey  Apr 2, 2009 6:59:38pm

re: #537 The Other LesThat was very interesting.

547 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 7:00:32pm

re: #538 alegrias

* * * *
So sad.
I only liked him in his early film about the Crimea, back in the 1970s!

re: #543 buzzsawmonkey

Gallipoli. Great film.

“See you when I see you.”

“Not if I see you first.”

It was a great film. From 1981, if I recall.

548 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 7:00:32pm
549 SteveC  Apr 2, 2009 7:00:34pm

re: #526 rawmuse

“Where’s your God now, Moses?”

My Godz under youz feet… shaking youz ground!

550 stevieray  Apr 2, 2009 7:00:40pm

re: #544 stevieray

It would come down to a question — “Who runs the school?” And the faculty were afraid to find out.

That should read “And the administration is afraid to find out.”… not “faculty”. Duh!

551 pingjockey  Apr 2, 2009 7:00:49pm

re: #542 rightymouse
That is very true and very troubling.

552 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 7:01:07pm

re: #533 quickjustice

Excuse me, Madam, but Tennessee Sipping Whiskey is unique. Both the mash and the charcoal filtering are sui generis. And Volunteers beat Wildcats any day! ;-)

Well we might have almost been a football team last year, but next year, it’s back to hanging more NCAA Championship banners in Rupp Arena.

Football is overrated.
;-)

553 doppelganglander  Apr 2, 2009 7:01:18pm

re: #284 pink freud

Palin calls for Begich’s resignation

Gov. Sarah Palin (R-Alaska) called on Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska ) Thursday to step down from his seat and run in a special election in the wake of the Justice Department’s decision to drop corruption charges against former Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska). Begich narrowly defeated Stevens in 2008, a contest overshadowed by Stevens’ October conviction.

That seems like a really bad idea. The mere fact that Stevens was indicted tainted him and he had no shot at winning. Charges may have been dropped, but he’s still guilty as homemade sin.

554 Occasional Reader  Apr 2, 2009 7:01:26pm

re: #515 buzzsawmonkey

You’re not dissing the duck-billed priapus, I hope.

Priapus? Isn’t that the hybrid car all the liberals drive?

555 Sharmuta  Apr 2, 2009 7:01:37pm

re: #486 Sheepdogess

Other than turning off the media, I’m not sure what sort of solution there is to this problem. I don’t support hollywood. I see very few movies, and when I do, they tend to be children’s films because I find them more entertaining and better written. I think too many adult movies are simplistic, rely too heavily on effects and not plot, and are generally lame. I spend my time in other pursuits that have little to do with TV and movies. Until more people speak with their wallets, hollywood won’t change.

I have a love of old movies thanks to my Grandma (on my mother’s side). I would spend time with her in the summers, and we’d watch all these classic films she just loved. If it weren’t for her, I doubt I would love Audrey Hepburn. I would love to see hollywood return to that era, but I doubt we ever will because people have been mentally trained to need more stimulation than a good plot. Frankly- I partially blame Sesame Street.

556 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 7:01:45pm

re: #526 rawmuse

You can usually count on “The Ten Commandments” on (pretty soon, Easter and Passover time).

My fave scene, Jimmy Cagney, in charge of the making of the Golden Calf, mocking Moses “Where’s your God now, Moses?”


Edward g. Robinson if I recall correctly.

557 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Apr 2, 2009 7:02:04pm

Any Lizards seen “Taken”?

If not, it sucks. But, he kills every bad guy! So, that makes it not suck.

I laughed at the parts that I think you’re not supposed to laugh at.

Like when he leaves the electricity on as he leaves, on the guy he has been torturing with electricity. I laughed really hard.

Does that make me bad?

“I’m not bad, I’m just drawn that way.”
-Jessica Rabbit

558 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 7:02:08pm
559 Kragar  Apr 2, 2009 7:02:11pm

re: #554 Occasional Reader

Priapus? Isn’t that the hybrid car all the liberals drive?

Thats Priuspus, and thats what the owner is called

560 OldLineTexan  Apr 2, 2009 7:02:17pm

re: #554 Occasional Reader

Priapus? Isn’t that the hybrid car all the liberals drive?

Just the pricks.

561 rawmuse  Apr 2, 2009 7:02:28pm

re: #556 The Other Les

Yeah, I already fell on my sword upthread, thnx

562 kansas  Apr 2, 2009 7:02:39pm

re: #510 Son of the Black Dog

He might have been “butty”, but he only lost his seat in Congress because a lot of illegals were allowed to cast ballots for Loretta Sanchez.

That seems to be a recurring pattern.

563 Occasional Reader  Apr 2, 2009 7:02:41pm

re: #535 buzzsawmonkey

Please; Edward G. Robinson. Cagney was not in The Ten Commandments.

Where’s yer Gaaaahd noooowwwww?

564 quickjustice  Apr 2, 2009 7:02:42pm

re: #535 buzzsawmonkey

Cagney was in “The Big House”. “I’ll get you for this, you dirty stinking rats!”

565 Walter L. Newton  Apr 2, 2009 7:03:07pm

Just heard a statement from Churchill, and basically he said that this verdict frees him from the charge of bad scholarship. He’s spinning it, since this has nothing to do with whether his scholarship was good or bad but whether he was fired for certain remarks.

This guy is such a liar.

566 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 7:03:08pm

re: #541 SteveC

EVERYBODY beat the Wildcats this year!

all right
all right
all right

You don’t have to rub it in.

My football team is the USC Trojans, anyway.

567 Occasional Reader  Apr 2, 2009 7:03:31pm

re: #543 buzzsawmonkey

Gallipoli. Great film.

“See you when I see you.”

“Not if I see you first.”

One of my favorites, actually.

568 rightymouse  Apr 2, 2009 7:03:38pm

re: #509 Mithrax

Lol

Reminds me of the conversation in the Tom Hanks movie Volunteers

“If time is money, and money is power, time is power right? So what’s money?

Money is money”

That was a horrible movie. I laughed my butt off with ‘Thai’.

569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Apr 2, 2009 7:03:38pm

re: #545 rawmuse

Gad, you’re right! I stand corrected.

I love James Cagney.

570 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 7:04:08pm

re: #554 Occasional Reader

Priapus? Isn’t that the hybrid car all the liberals drive?

LOL!

571 rightymouse  Apr 2, 2009 7:04:09pm

re: #543 buzzsawmonkey

Gallipoli. Great film.

“See you when I see you.”

“Not if I see you first.”


Most excellent movie!

572 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 7:04:18pm
573 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 7:04:22pm

re: #554 Occasional Reader

Priapus? Isn’t that the hybrid car all the liberals drive?

Well, Al Gore is stiff enough for one of them.

574 The Other Les  Apr 2, 2009 7:04:48pm

re: #546 pingjockey

That was very interesting.

The bit about the French Army uniforms was a nice touch.

575 Spare O'Lake  Apr 2, 2009 7:04:48pm

re: #469 quickjustice

No, but Charles was comparing Christians and atheists. Those were the “control groups”. Christianity clearly arose out of Judaism. All of its founders were messianic Jews. They believed that Jesus of Nazareth was Messhiach, the Messiah foretold by the Prophets in Tanak, and the Prophet Isaiah in particular.

Then I will assume that you believe that morality originated with Judaism.
Judaism may have been the first monotheistic religion, but hardly the source of morality.
Try again.

576 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Apr 2, 2009 7:05:07pm

re: #563 Occasional Reader

Where’s yer Gaaaahd noooowwwww MOSES? HMYAAAAAAH?

How do you spell the EGR “Hmyaaaah” on the intertubes? That close?

577 pingjockey  Apr 2, 2009 7:05:09pm

Early day tomorrow, 4am…gaaah!
G’night folks. BTW, TCM and AMC both run Fiddler on the roof, and Exodus about 3 times a year.

578 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 7:05:17pm

re: #557 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Saw it.

I fell asleep in the movie once I’d finished the popcorn and Coke Zero.

579 SteveC  Apr 2, 2009 7:05:52pm

re: #566 J.D.

all right
all right
all right

You don’t have to rub it in.

My football team is the USC Trojans, anyway.

The other USC over here.

What does (any former USC football coach) have in common with the Pope?

Both of them can make the 87,000 people in Williams-Brice Stadium say “Oh my God!”

580 HoosierHoops  Apr 2, 2009 7:05:54pm

re: #577 pingjockey

Early day tomorrow, 4am…gaaah!
G’night folks. BTW, TCM and AMC both run Fiddler on the roof, and Exodus about 3 times a year.

Kind regards Ping

581 Son of the Black Dog  Apr 2, 2009 7:05:55pm

re: #427 Alouette

They’re not the same guy?

John Edward - John Edwards. Different guys, same racket.

582 Killer Tomato  Apr 2, 2009 7:06:46pm

Evening, all.
I see inflation has kicked in - Ward Churchill’s worth a dollar?

583 LEGION  Apr 2, 2009 7:06:59pm

re: #536 OldLineTexan

I play those LOST numbers all the time- no winners yet though.
Wardo better not play them with his lousy dollar.
Judge better not decide to give him the job back. Stay tuned.

584 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 7:07:29pm

re: #400 pingjockey

He didn’t used to sound this whacked when he was on CNN, or at least I didn’t catch him on a day when he went around the bend. Now, on Fox, it seems to be SOP.

* * * *
By Beck’s SOP do you mean Soap Opera Politics?

Beck can be hysterical, literally & figuratively. It’s like Pee Wee Herman on politics.

Since getting laid off, I really should be spending more time finding work than watching TV!

585 jamgarr  Apr 2, 2009 7:07:46pm

Blues 5 Wings 4 (in Detroit)!

David Backes 4 goals!

586 doppelganglander  Apr 2, 2009 7:08:06pm

re: #389 victor_yugo

No, she was murdered by one of her employees. Check her Wikipedia entry.

They found her, in pieces in a barrel that had been buried. She was identified by the serial number on her hip replacement.

587 Dar ul Harbarian  Apr 2, 2009 7:08:12pm
588 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 7:08:32pm

re: #468 Gus 802

Exactly.

Why do you keep saying “Dear Gus?” :)

* * * *

Dear Sir:

589 J.D.  Apr 2, 2009 7:08:32pm

re: #579 SteveC

The other USC over here.

What does (any former USC football coach) have in common with the Pope?

Both of them can make the 87,000 people in Williams-Brice Stadium say “Oh my God!”

Ha!

590 rightymouse  Apr 2, 2009 7:10:48pm

re: #551 pingjockey

That is very true and very troubling.


Extremely troubling, especially for parents who want to send their kids to a university to actually get an education.

I will repeat my recommendations of Hillsdale in Michigan and Grove City in Pennsylvania for parents with children going into the Liberal Arts.

591 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 7:12:04pm

re: #457 pink freud

Aw man, what a NICE story! You’re right about the jackpot. :-)

* * * *
Dear Pink Freud, can’t find your comment but no need to apologize, no offense taken by anything you said earlier. Thank you anyway.

592 alegrias  Apr 2, 2009 7:13:30pm

re: #445 pink freud

You’re welcome, alegrias. Please accept my apology for being a shit earlier.

* * * *
Found this post—Thank you, accepted and no offense taken.

593 Kosh's Shadow  Apr 2, 2009 7:14:18pm

re: #448 quickjustice

Mel Gibson loves Michael Moore, hates George Bush, and offered to finance Farenheit 9/11.

What does he think of 0bama, whose policies might bring us the Mad Max world?

594 Alberta Oil Peon  Apr 2, 2009 7:14:50pm

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

I worry that the growth of atheism mirrors the the decline in morals in the country, that is my problem. Its not an issue to be addressed by laws, but by advocacy. You may be assured, Sharm, that my disapproval of peoples choices does not lead me to want to force them to rescind those choices.

Perhaps there wouldn’t be so many atheists if the churches would do a little housecleaning amongst their own ranks.

595 LEGION  Apr 2, 2009 7:15:00pm

re: #587 Dar ul Harbarian

OMG- thats what the stinky b.o. is doing to our country. Like in Battlestar Galactica’s ending, destroying all our technology and joining us with the unwashed backward ones to be one with nature! Not good.

596 VioletTiger  Apr 2, 2009 7:15:09pm

re: #582 Killer Tomato

Evening, all.
I see inflation has kicked in - Ward Churchill’s worth a dollar?

I think it was an excessive award by the jury. Over by at least 99 cents.

597 erisldysnomia  Apr 2, 2009 7:17:00pm

I DEMAND TO BE NAMED A TENURED PERFESSER AT CU

AFTER ALL I WRITE GRATE COMMENTS AT THIS BLOG

AIN’T THAT ENUF?

598 Sheepdogess  Apr 2, 2009 7:17:56pm

re: #539 Bubblehead II

Coeur d’alene area. Where are you?

599 VioletTiger  Apr 2, 2009 7:18:02pm

re: #597 erisldysnomia

I DEMAND TO BE NAMED A TENURED PERFESSER AT CU

AFTER ALL I WRITE GRATE COMMENTS AT THIS BLOG

AIN’T THAT ENUF?

Butt yuo dont spel so gud.

600 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 7:18:45pm
601 Son of the Black Dog  Apr 2, 2009 7:18:58pm

re: #521 Sharmuta

I just wanted to say- it’s good to see you around again. :)

Why, thank you for saying that. Been working on a short-term project, but lots of hours.

602 Dark_Falcon  Apr 2, 2009 7:19:00pm

re: #594 Alberta Oil Peon

Perhaps there wouldn’t be so many atheists if the churches would do a little housecleaning amongst their own ranks.

Concur.

603 SanFranciscoZionist  Apr 2, 2009 7:20:18pm

re: #94 Iron Fist

I seem to recall Britain refusing to let Martha Stewart in because she’s a convicted felon. Nobody much questioned that. Of course, she is one of those evil rich people. Galloway only supports terrorism, after all.

I’m trying to imagine the worst thing that could happen if you let Martha Stewart into a country. All that occurs to me is that she might call you drapes tacky, but most people can handle that.

604 Bubblehead II  Apr 2, 2009 7:21:00pm

re: #598 Sheepdogess

Twin Falls.

605 Son of the Black Dog  Apr 2, 2009 7:22:06pm

re: #533 quickjustice

Excuse me, Madam, but Tennessee Sipping Whiskey is unique. Both the mash and the charcoal filtering are sui generis. And Volunteers beat Wildcats any day! ;-)

And now they’ve both got basketball coaches worthy of the name.

606 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 7:22:27pm
607 SanFranciscoZionist  Apr 2, 2009 7:24:15pm

re: #122 NYCHardhat

I’m talking about all the “Little Eichmanns” he was refering to.

But the Sicilians would do just fine. ;)

And they’re, I’m sure, as motivated as any New Yorkers. Also well-equipped.

(I should stop meandering in this direction.)

608 SanFranciscoZionist  Apr 2, 2009 7:25:17pm

re: #131 Charles

He’s praising Mel Gibson’s ‘Passion of the Christ’ movie now.

Which, by the way, I rented recently just to see what it was about. It’s an extremely bizarre movie, almost pornographic in its depiction of violence, and yes, I think it is arguably antisemitic.

The Jesuits at my teaching credential program refused to see it, on several grounds.

609 SanFranciscoZionist  Apr 2, 2009 7:26:50pm

re: #608 SanFranciscoZionist

The Jesuits at my teaching credential program refused to see it, on several grounds.

You know, it pisses me off. The Passion could be the only widely released movie made in Aramaic in my lifetime. Now, if he’d made a nice movie about the Nativity or something, in Aramaic, that would be cool. I just want to see how much I can understand.

610 [deleted]  Apr 2, 2009 7:27:28pm
611 Rich H  Apr 2, 2009 7:31:39pm

Put it in perspective. Churchill (the plaintiff) gets $1.

Scopes was found guilty and fined $100 if I remember correctly. They called that a victory for evolution (as the defendant in that case).

612 abolitionist  Apr 2, 2009 7:40:31pm

re: #565 Walter L. Newton

Just heard a statement from Churchill, and basically he said that this verdict frees him from the charge of bad scholarship. He’s spinning it, since this has nothing to do with whether his scholarship was good or bad but whether he was fired for certain remarks.

This guy is such a liar.

You mean he wasn’t fired for exaggerating his expertise in demolitions with the Weathermen, back when they were “protesting the war”?
/

613 PSGInfinity  Apr 2, 2009 7:50:36pm

This is gonna sound a little strange, but I think he’s fascinating.

After all, he might be the greatest American con artist ever. Consider that he fleeced CU out of fifteen years of salary and benefits, not to mention 12 years as a ‘thought-policeman’ before that. That’s a theft of ~two million dollars of CU’s money. Even better, when until he made his ‘little Eichman’s’ slur, his plagiarism and other transgressions were being overlooked by CU. Best of all, after all his lying and conniving, he still has defenders!

Amazing.

614 Alberta Oil Peon  Apr 2, 2009 7:53:40pm

re: #360 quickjustice

Purely as a matter of numbers, there are definitely more immoral “Christians” than immoral atheists. That’s because there are more persons who self-identify as Christians than self-identify as atheists.

But if morality is defined by norms, as I believe it is, then norms (i.e., “Thou shalt not murder.”) are rooted in religion. Can an atheist adhere to religious norms? Certainly. But why should he? Norms are religious values. By definition, an atheist doesn’t believe in religion.

If the atheist’s reference for norms is to a legal system, then the legislature can change legal “norms” overnight. It can go from tolerance for Jews to outlawing Judaism. “There arose a Pharaoh who knew not Joseph.”

Judging groups (Christians or atheists) by their conduct is a valid way to compare them. But if Christians are indistinguishable from atheists (because they’re no better in the way they conduct themselves), they’re very poor Christians indeed.

The flaw in that argument is that the religious believe that that the norms and rules are handed down to them by God, and originate from God. Atheists, who disbelieve the existence of God, nevertheless do believe historical records, and religious texts are, at least in part, historical records. And these records recount the adoption of various laws and codes of conduct, and show how the adoption of these codes benefited individuals and society, and how transgressions of these codes caused harm. But the atheist’s explanation for these codes would simply be that they evolved, as human beings wrestled with the problems of developing a functional civilization.

In a nutshell: the religious attribute their moral code to a Deity, the non-religious attribute their moral code to the cumulative experience of Mankind.

615 Rich H  Apr 2, 2009 7:55:13pm

re: #613 PSGInfinity

This is gonna sound a little strange, but I think he’s fascinating.

After all, he might be the greatest American con artist ever. Consider that he fleeced CU out of fifteen years of salary and benefits, not to mention 12 years as a ‘thought-policeman’ before that. That’s a theft of ~two million dollars of CU’s money. Even better, when until he made his ‘little Eichman’s’ slur, his plagiarism and other transgressions were being overlooked by CU. Best of all, after all his lying and conniving, he still has defenders!

Amazing.

Really? The greatest American con artist ever? I would place Al Gore in that category.

616 FlakMusic  Apr 2, 2009 8:00:50pm

Super. Ward Churchill now “vindicated”.

Did the decision also say he’s really an indian?

617 PSGInfinity  Apr 2, 2009 8:06:23pm

re: #615 Rich H

Really? The greatest American con artist ever? I would place Al Gore in that category.

His final chapter hasn’t been written; he could easily flame out in a VERY big way, for example. Also, Steve Case is in the mix for fleecing Time Warner out of billions in a complicated stock pump-n-dump scheme. ‘Course, he doesn’t have ideological defenders like Ward, but still…

618 ayatollah ghilmeini  Apr 2, 2009 8:15:39pm

Dear Former Professor Churchill,

You are a plagiarist. Your career is a lie. Your scholarship is tainted. You have offended the memory of dead people who never did a thing to you.

You richly deserve your one dollar verdict and a kick in the ass but I will settle for the dollar.

Your little Eichmann’s comment was one of the most offensive things I have ever read, Revenge really is a dish best served cold. I could not be more pleased with your comeuppance.

Best of luck on your new career as a restroom attendant in a nightclub, I think you are well qualified.

Toodles, don’t forget to write!

Ghilmeini

619 Alberta Oil Peon  Apr 2, 2009 8:18:04pm

re: #554 Occasional Reader

Priapus? Isn’t that the hybrid car all the liberals drive?

Somebody has to stick up for priapism.

/

620 Sheepdogess  Apr 2, 2009 8:23:29pm

re: #613 PSGInfinity

Best of all, after all his lying and conniving, he still has defenders!
Amazing.


Depressing

621 Rich H  Apr 2, 2009 8:24:34pm

re: #617 PSGInfinity

His final chapter hasn’t been written; he could easily flame out in a VERY big way, for example. Also, Steve Case is in the mix for fleecing Time Warner out of billions in a complicated stock pump-n-dump scheme. ‘Course, he doesn’t have ideological defenders like Ward, but still…

True. There are many scoundrels whose corruptions could easily out-slime Chief Walking Eagle.

622 tradewind  Apr 2, 2009 8:29:39pm

So, cutting to the chase……. does the sumbitch get his job back, or not?
Because if he does, CU’s welcome committee will need volunteers.

623 PSGInfinity  Apr 2, 2009 8:33:58pm

re: #622 tradewind

So, cutting to the chase……. does the sumbitch get his job back, or not?
Because if he does, CU’s welcome committee will need volunteers.

Wouldn’t that be fun? Especially to have some anti-idiotarians who are also of Indian descent…

624 mattm  Apr 2, 2009 8:39:07pm

re: #58 nyc redneck

he is a parasite. he is a hoax. the fact that he lied abt. being an indian to become head of the native american studies program is a disgrace, he is thief.
i really hope this faker does not get his job back.
let him flip burgers somewhere. if he is even qualified to do that.

Allowing him to flip burgers is a disgrace to fast food employees everywhere. They actually do something productive.

625 Canoe Train  Apr 2, 2009 8:42:24pm

Hahaha ! I mean ROTFLMAO! $ 1 ? Chief Plagerist of the Wannabee Tribe. $ 1 is all the worth of the faked credentials and phony BS that he has peddled. Now, let’s see if the cloistered Ivory Towers of academia can correct the damage that he and his ilk have done.

626 Canoe Train  Apr 2, 2009 8:51:01pm

re: #25 LGoPs

Bingo! Well said.

627 huckfunn  Apr 2, 2009 9:08:19pm

He wouldn’t have been wrongfully dismissed if he hadn’t been wrongfully hired in the first place, right? Let’s ask Groucho…

Youtube Video

628 wiffersnapper  Apr 2, 2009 10:31:25pm

dammit

629 Nightwatch  Apr 2, 2009 11:16:44pm

This is in fact a dark day for the “Rocky State!”

“Hold your heads low, for you are no longer “Real Americans” if you let this…THIS…abortion of law stand….you are a laughing….point..stock..less than zero bottom of the shoe to be scrapped off with chemical gloved hand….state…less than…much less than….words sometime fail….”GOLDEN?…more like “TOXIN!”
The thin air might be your only defense..but then……………………………………………………………

630 Shr_Nfr  Apr 3, 2009 12:02:19am

When there was the earlier note on the question of damages, I wondered if the jury was going to do exactly what it did. By doing this and awarding $1 in damages, it freezes Church from appealing. After all he won. By awarding only $1, they are not really going to penalize CU. CU will not appeal the ruling. Church can run around all he wants now saying he won, but he is still out of his job and none the richer. When my father got a divorce from his first wife, the judge awarded her $1 a month in alimony. That way she could not appeal anything.

On the surface it seems Church won, but in reality the jury fixed his wagon but good. It would have been better for him to have lost.

631 SixDegrees  Apr 3, 2009 1:03:30am

re: #553 doppelganglander

That seems like a really bad idea. The mere fact that Stevens was indicted tainted him and he had no shot at winning. Charges may have been dropped, but he’s still guilty as homemade sin.

It also doesn’t call for the expense and drama of a special election. No one has died, and there haven’t been any allegations that the election itself was tainted in any way. There’s no call to set aside the results.

If Stevens wants a do-over, he’s free to run again next time around.

632 SixDegrees  Apr 3, 2009 1:20:45am

re: #96 Charles

Doubtful. The third party they’re talking about would be an extreme right party.

Agree, but it wouldn’t be far right; it would be an extremist religious party, the American equivalent of the Taliban, attempting to ram fundamentalist Baptist religion down the nation’s throat.

The good thing about such a move is that it would finally flush a lot of the nuts out of the GOP, and allow it to pursue a true Conservative agenda that the majority of the country would openly embrace, and that the Democrats are in the process of co-opting. It might draw off enough votes to cost a couple of election cycles, but over the long haul it would be good for the GOP.

Meanwhile, Malkin and the rest can go off and natter about their Monster Raving Looney Party to their tens of followers.

633 Miles  Apr 3, 2009 1:42:25am

re: #632 SixDegrees

Heh. When the blue-haired Christian ladies leave the churches, to gather together for a meeting to sew together suicide belts, I might reconsider my alignment.

Until then, you Atheists can complain all you want about how destructive Christianity is.

634 SixDegrees  Apr 3, 2009 2:18:46am

re: #10 PJ61

he doesnt get his job back ,right?

This certainly opens the door to that possibility.

Maybe we could organize a campaign to get people to mail rubber tomahawks to CU.

635 SixDegrees  Apr 3, 2009 2:23:59am

re: #633 Miles

Heh. When the blue-haired Christian ladies leave the churches, to gather together for a meeting to sew together suicide belts, I might reconsider my alignment.

Until then, you Atheists can complain all you want about how destructive Christianity is.

I’m quite certain I’ve never mentioned my own religious conviction, or lack of them, here. I’d be curious to know why you have lept to the conclusion that I’m an atheist.

As for suicide bombing: terrorism takes many forms. Blowing yourself up in the marketplace is only one of them. Forcing religious doctrine down the throats of children against their parent’s wishes, and in violation of the Constitution, is certainly another.

The threat to personal liberty is the same either way.

636 Throbert McGee  Apr 3, 2009 5:20:57am

re: #609 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, it pisses me off. The Passion could be the only widely released movie made in Aramaic in my lifetime. Now, if he’d made a nice movie about the Nativity or something, in Aramaic, that would be cool. I just want to see how much I can understand.

I can recall reading a comment by a Lebanese Christian that the Aramaic in The Passion was in some cases pretty easy for a native Arabic speaker to follow without looking at the English subtitles.

637 Throbert McGee  Apr 3, 2009 5:30:55am

I’ve only seen a few snippets of The Passion — on cable, at a friend’s house — and thought the scenes were beautifully filmed and moving, but I’ve never gotten around to renting it on DVD, in part because of all the bad reviews I’ve heard.

The portions I saw weren’t violent; the one that sticks in my memory is a flashback by a woman disciple who remembers Jesus intervening to save her from a crowd that was about to stone her.

638 Rustler  Apr 3, 2009 5:34:43am

re: #26 albusteve

In 2003, Churchill stated, “I am myself of Muscogee and Creek[16] descent on my father’s side, Cherokee on my mother’s, and am an enrolled member of the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians.”[17][18] In 1992, Churchill wrote elsewhere that he is one-eighth Creek and one-sixteenth Cherokee.[19] In 1993, Churchill told the Colorado Daily that, “he was one-sixteenth Creek and Cherokee.”[20] Churchill told the Denver Post in February 2005 that he is three-sixteenths Cherokee.[10]

The United Keetoowah Band clarified that Churchill was never an enrolled member, but was awarded an honorary associate membership in May 1994, as were Bill Clinton and others;[21][22] honorary associate membership recognizes assistance to the tribe, but does not indicate Indian ancestry or enrollment.[23] The Keetoowah Band states that Churchill still holds the honorary associate membership, that it hasn’t been rescinded, and that the Keetoowah Band stopped recognizing such “honorary” memberships in 1994.[23][24][25]

No evidence of Native American background on either side of his Family.

639 Rustler  Apr 3, 2009 5:43:35am

The Man Is a proven Liar and Cheat even more than the false claims of native American blood the following really gets my goat.

Churchill was born in Elmwood, Illinois and attended local schools, including Elmwood High School.[8] In 1966, Churchill was drafted into the United States Army. On his 1980 resume, Churchill said he served as a public-information specialist who “wrote and edited the battalion newsletter and wrote news releases.”[8]

In a 1987 profile on Churchill, the Denver Post reported that Churchill went to paratrooper school, then volunteered for Vietnam, where he served a 10-month tour as Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol (LRRP), one of a six-man team sent out to track down North Vietnamese.[9] The Denver Post reported in 2005 that Churchill’s military records show that he was trained as a projectionist and light truck driver, and do not mention paratrooper school or LRRP training.[8][10] The 75th Ranger Regiment Association found no record of Churchill being in an LRRP team.[11]

The 1987 Post article also reported that Churchill was politically radicalized as a result of his experiences in Vietnam. Churchill told the Denver Post that he had worked with the Students for a Democratic Society and Weather Underground in the late 1960s. The Post also reported that Churchill taught members of the Weather Underground how to make bombs and fire weapons.[9]

from Wiki.

640 A.W.  Apr 3, 2009 6:20:56am

Well, he also got an award for attorney’s fees, and the judge might still force UC to take him back.

This colorado jury is insane.

641 quickjustice  Apr 3, 2009 6:31:59am

re: #575 Spare O’Lake

Don’t patronize me. You asked if I thought Christianity was the “source” of morality. I said no, and pointed to Judaism as a more ancient religion than Christianity. You want me to guess what you’re thinking? I’m not Obama, and I therefore lack telepathy. But I’ll plunge right in, and say that the Hebrew G-d is the ultimate source of morality.

Prove me wrong. ;-)

642 quickjustice  Apr 3, 2009 7:25:37am

re: #614 Alberta Oil Peon

Your response is intelligent, and well-argued. I think it wrong for three reasons:

(1) an atheist is as committed to the theological view that G-d does NOT exist, as a devout Jew is to the theological view that G-d DOES exist. Neither view is capable of proof, and hence, each must rely on faith.

(2) There’s an enormous amount of historical and cultural information out there. Assuming that the atheist carefully studies all of it, what objective basis does he have to prioritize it into more important and less important? Aren’t the priorities he sets necessarily his own? And don’t they, in turn, derive from his subjective opinions about what is important? The atheist risks complete solipsism, the notion that he makes all of his own rules, without regard to the interests of others.

(3) Like a hedgehog, religion has one big thing going for it: it has created a framework for moral living based upon belief in a spiritual dimension, and in a G-d perceptible only in part. That framework certainly can be examined and challenged by skeptics (and it should be), but it is a cultural and historical reference point susceptible of (relatively) rapid study, testing, and adoption or rejection. Another advantage: it already has been adopted by large numbers of people, so a common cultural language exists (in Judaism, Tanak, and in Christianity, the Bible) with which people can communicate abstract, moral, spiritual and mystical concepts to each other.

643 quickjustice  Apr 3, 2009 7:28:34am

re: #614 Alberta Oil Peon

An aside: my father was born in Medicine Hat.

644 rexatosis  Apr 3, 2009 7:30:18am

Way late to this thread but since I have old connections to CU I need to throw my 2 cents in: Churchill committed the offenses he was charged with, lost his job for it (justifiably), then turned the whole thing into a political circus. CU’s administration has bungled this from the day they hired Churchill through the trial. I am beyond disgusted, as an alumni and an academic, with the whole offal affair.

645 gregb  Apr 3, 2009 7:43:26am

Like in baseball, betting on your own team is the ultimate sin. So goes in academics with plagiarism……it’s not well understood in a public where less than 20% are college graduates and by some estimates, 40% of those beg, borrowed, or stole some homework assignment to pass a class.

Long live the “everybody does it” defense.

646 Spare O'Lake  Apr 3, 2009 8:18:21am

re: #641 quickjustice

Don’t patronize me. You asked if I thought Christianity was the “source” of morality. I said no, and pointed to Judaism as a more ancient religion than Christianity. You want me to guess what you’re thinking? I’m not Obama, and I therefore lack telepathy. But I’ll plunge right in, and say that the Hebrew G-d is the ultimate source of morality.

Prove me wrong. ;-)

Your stated belief in “the Hebrew G-d” as the source of morality may be correct, but because your belief is faith-based I am sure there is no scientific proof.

On the other hand, you should realize that by shifting the argument from Christianity, to Judaism, to “the Hebrew G-d” you have at the very least implicitly conceded the possibility that even the very first humans had an innate sense of morality. Whether or not that innate morality was God given is of course another question entirely.

647 Ezekiel2517  Apr 3, 2009 1:34:04pm

I’m sure Chief Running Mouth could apply for a teaching position at many other fine liberal universities, but he might find the competition heated in the Ethnic Studies departments as opposed to other subjects that might require bonafide credentials and a track record of work and achievements.


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