White House Communications Director Anita Dunn doesn’t hold anything back in this interview with Howard Kurtz, blasting Fox News for being “the communications arm of the Republican party.”
Dunn also comments on right wing celebrations over America’s loss of the Olympics bid, and the knee-jerk negativity toward Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize.
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The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:29:53pm |
She's right. Fox is now a propaganda wing for the GOP-- worse, for the worst elements of the GOP now: Beck, nirthers, etc.
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Dakman Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:31:35pm |
Well, not to be too contrary, but CNN did fact check SNL. So they do have supporters in the media.
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MtMadeMan Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:31:56pm |
What does she say about CNN factchecking Saturday Night Live?
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:32:03pm |
Well, the rest of the MSM is the communications arm of the Democratic Party.
Too bad we don't have a sane party, and won't, as long as the media is so much in the pocket of one party of another.
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theuglydougling Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:32:54pm |
Playground Translation:
"I have lots and lots of candy in my pocket...but I want that piece in your pocket, too."
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Dakman Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:33:04pm |
re: #7 Sharmuta
Haven't they all in their own special little way?
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Kronocide Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:33:50pm |
This is bad on so many levels. But the most aggravating thing is that there's a lot of truth in what she's saying. There is a cost in going too far.
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Pepper Fox Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:34:49pm |
At this point it's pretty much common fact among reasonable people that Fox News isn't real news. It seems that most of the people who watch Fox only do so to justify their own bigotry and hate, not for genuine information.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:35:33pm |
Actually, it's increasingly the other way around: The GOP is becoming the political arm of Fox News and related outlets in the right wing of the media-industrial complex.
Other media-industrial power centers continue to be represented by the Democratic Party.
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dolphin_CAGE Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:35:34pm |
Look who's whining now. The Bush WH was getting flak from media for seven years straight, and it handled it like a gentleman handling a barking dog: letting them bark and proceeding on their own way.
But oh no, the narcissist Obama Administration can't stand anyone falling out of line.
Cry me a river, Anita.
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AK-47% Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:35:59pm |
Fox has reached a new low in its level of attacking Obama, one much worse than any other networks reached when attacking Bush, the White House finally started taking it as an affront.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:36:00pm |
I have to agree with her -- strongly -- about Fox News. Fox has become one of the worst examples of contemporary media in existence, with their promotion of creationism, fear-mongering and race-baiting, O'Reilly's disgusting "Tiller the baby-killer" remarks repeated over and over (right up until Dr. Tiller was murdered), and the bizarre John Birch Society-inspired craziness of Glenn Beck.
They're not just promoting the GOP, they're promoting the fringe, wacko right wing.
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sergeant major Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:36:14pm |
Fox news always leaned right...It's so bad now I don't watch them at all anymore...Glenn Beck and O'reilly are tools
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:36:29pm |
re: #2 iceweasel
She's right. Fox is now a propaganda wing for the GOP-- worse, for the worst elements of the GOP now: Beck, nirthers, etc.
Yes, thank you . . . for the worst elements of the GOP.
Not for the rest of us, who are in great pain watching the GOP meltdown.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:36:40pm |
re: #9 Dakman
Haven't they all in their own special little way?
Fox is outright promoting tax protests, and you think the other networks have been as bold and unprofessional as that?
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:38:48pm |
re: #20 buzzsawmonkey
Listening to this woman is akin to listening to one of those mechanical chirping birds in a Chinatown novelty store.
Her voice does have that quality.
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albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:39:14pm |
MSM, BO admin, kooks in the news...that's entertainment!...Fox will retaliate of course...BO himself will have to step in again...and so it goes, AmIdol politics
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:39:19pm |
re: #7 Sharmuta
Fox has become a parody of itself.
Fox always was though. People tend to forget that, previous to September 11, 2001, Fox was always considered to be the tabloid network.
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Dakman Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:39:39pm |
re: #18 Sharmuta
Fox is outright promoting tax protests, and you think the other networks have been as bold and unprofessional as that?
No, but none of them are straight news sources anymore. I stopped everything but Special Report and Fox News Sunday. I completely gave up on CNN and MSNBC.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:39:42pm |
The primary purpose of 'news' shows and channels is to make money. The entire idea of news being a public service started going out of style in the 80's and accelerated in the 90s and the 00s.
So if a 'news' channel can make money by catering to an extreme, they will.
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The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:40:18pm |
re: #17 reine.de.tout
Yes, thank you . . . for the worst elements of the GOP.
Not for the rest of us, who are in great pain watching the GOP meltdown.
Of course. The problem is the GOP has been taken over by/is pandering to the crazy folks. The good and sane people who voted GOP are left adrift.
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harry91 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:40:36pm |
Shiplord Kirel
Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:35:33pm replyquote 1downupfavoritereportActually, it's increasingly the other way around: The GOP is becoming the political arm of Fox News and related outlets in the right wing of the media-industrial complex.
Actually, I read an article today that pretty much said the same thing.
[Link: www.salon.com...]
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:40:38pm |
The Democrats are thrilled...
Glenn Beck, Republican strategist
Democrats watch this all with some bemusement. "In the absence of any new leadership and an unwillingness to put forward any new ideas, the Republican Party has become the party of cranks and conspiracy theorists," Democratic National Committee spokesman Hari Sevugan says. "And that's exactly why their popularity rivals that of swine flu. And they will remain marginalized so long as they continue to talk to the tinfoil hat crowd." But Beck is more than a harmless -- if deranged -- entertainer. His ability to push the GOP from rhetoric to action means he can inject toxic ideas and fears directly into the body politic. It was Beck who raised the most alarm over Obama's czars and his allegedly totalitarian instincts, after all. Here's a guide to some of Beck's greatest hits, and how they wormed their way into the real world.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:41:21pm |
She's absolutely right- Fox was one the one who mainstreamed the ayers and acorn stories, and instead of focusing on the issues that could have won McCain votes (like more on energy independence) he might have faired better. But always with Fox it's *watch the birdie!*
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:41:24pm |
re: #27 harry91
I just read that one too.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:41:37pm |
And let's not forget that Fox News is also heavily promoting Ron Paul. And Judge Napolitano is actually praising Alex Jones and the vile Lew Rockwell on his Fox News show.
Fox has gone way off the rails and into the weeds.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:41:54pm |
Can we get some grown ups in the news media please?
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Kronocide Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:42:28pm |
re: #13 dolphin_CAGE
Cry me a river right back at ya. Since it happened to Bush for 7 years and it was bad, does that mean it should now happen to Obama? Makes it fair it does, yeah.
It happened to Bush for 7 years and it was bad, and rightfully the media was called out for it. It's now happening to Obama: will you rightfully call it out this time?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:42:56pm |
re: #27 harry91
Actually, I read an article today that pretty much said the same thing.
[Link: www.salon.com...]
There's no need to copy and paste part of a comment -- just click the 'reply' or 'quote' button.
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Sergeant Major Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:43:08pm |
OT: I'd like to see Beck and Obermann fight at UFC 110
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:43:17pm |
re: #23 Honorary Yooper
Fox always was though. People tend to forget that, previous to September 11, 2001, Fox was always considered to be the tabloid network.
Fox tested the conspiracy market as early as January 2001, when their entertainment division ran the insane "documentary" Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?'. This kind of presentation, utterly unscrupulous and scandalously false, was almost without precedent for a major network.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:43:56pm |
re: #27 harry91
Actually, I read an article today that pretty much said the same thing.
[Link: www.salon.com...]
That's a decent summation of what's been going on.
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in excess Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:44:11pm |
Such objectivity from this women!
No complaints about MSNBC!?!
Can't the administration rise above and DO THEIR JOB!?!
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:44:59pm |
re: #23 Honorary Yooper
Fox always was though. People tend to forget that, previous to September 11, 2001, Fox was always considered to be the tabloid network.
Back when Fox was new, one of their first big pushes for an audience was the Impeachment proceedings. Rush heavily promoted them on his show. I remember calling my cable provider to start carrying Fox News. She said they'd had a lot of calls about it that day. I told her, "I bet!"
The far right has been building up their media machine for 20 years, and this is the result. Fox tells us they're fair and balanced, but really they're bought and paid for.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:45:03pm |
re: #20 buzzsawmonkey
Listening to this woman is akin to listening to one of those mechanical chirping birds in a Chinatown novelty store.
I had to quit listening. I wish there was CC available.
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bosforus Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:45:20pm |
re: #35 Sergeant Major
OT: I'd like to see Beck and Obermann fight at UFC 110
I'd have to put my money on Olbermann. Beck would be in the corner crying for no apparent reason soon after the fight started.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:45:35pm |
re: #38 in excess
Can't the administration rise above and DO THEIR JOB!?!
She's responding to direct questions.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:45:44pm |
If the WH thinks they're being clever engaging in a bashing contest with a major media outlet, David Gergen says maybe not so much...
"It's a very risky strategy. It's not one that I would advocate," Gergen said on CNN. "If you're going to get very personal against the media, you're going to find that the animosities are just going to deepen. And you're going to find that you sort of almost draw viewers and readers to the people you're attacking. You build them up in some ways, you give them stature."
At any rate, It's On.
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metrolibertarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:45:54pm |
re: #36 Shiplord Kirel
Fox tested the conspiracy market as early as January 2001, when their entertainment division ran the insane "documentary" Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?'. This kind of presentation, utterly unscrupulous and scandalously false, was almost without precedent for a major network.
My C++ teacher when I was a senior in high school showed us that idiotic documentary.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:46:19pm |
re: #36 Shiplord Kirel
Fox tested the conspiracy market as early as January 2001, when their entertainment division ran the insane "documentary" Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?'. This kind of presentation, utterly unscrupulous and scandalously false, was almost without precedent for a major network.
My points about Fox exactly. They were going off the rails well before all of this, and the only thing that kept them anywhere near the rails was September 11, 2001. Now with GWB out of the White House, and BHO in, Fox is going for no holds barred again.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:46:24pm |
re: #38 in excess
Such objectivity from this women!
No complaints about MSNBC!?!Can't the administration rise above and DO THEIR JOB!?!
Did anyone in the Bush Administration ever have such a hissy fit over the blatant bias against it?
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:46:52pm |
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:47:31pm |
re: #46 MandyManners
They were smart enough to realize how much good that would have done.
Golden rule for pols dealing with media... ' never complain, never explain'.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:47:36pm |
re: #2 iceweasel
She's right. Fox is now a propaganda wing for the GOP-- worse, for the worst elements of the GOP now: Beck, nirthers, etc.
I think that's the issue. If they were leaning toward a Republican version of reality--that was based in reality--that would be one thing. Instead, they're setting up every crazy on the planet.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:47:49pm |
re: #13 dolphin_CAGE
Look who's whining now. The Bush WH was getting flak from media for seven years straight, and it handled it like a gentleman handling a barking dog: letting them bark and proceeding on their own way.
But oh no, the narcissist Obama Administration can't stand anyone falling out of line.
Cry me a river, Anita.
The mainstream media's coverage of Bush may have been biased, but it was not even close to the kind of outright craziness Fox News is promoting these days. And it's not just the anti-Obama stuff -- they're reviving and bringing back discredited ideologies right out of the John Birch days, and outright nutjobs like Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell.
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AK-47% Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:47:51pm |
re: #42 Killgore Trout
Every network is going to have its tendencies for or against a particular president or party, but they are expected to base their slant on some sort of solid, realistic and objective reporting, Fox has reached such a low level of reporting that they are finally being taken to task for it by the White House.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:47:57pm |
re: #44 metrolibertarian
My C++ teacher when I was a senior in high school showed us that idiotic documentary.
It truly amazes me what kinds of people subscribe to this kind of idiocy. Many of them are of the type that you'd think would know better with regards to their education.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:48:15pm |
re: #24 Dakman
No, but none of them are straight news sources anymore. I stopped everything but Special Report and Fox News Sunday. I completely gave up on CNN and MSNBC.
Why- the last few times I have watched CNN, they seemed to have moderated more. I remembered them being more biased, but a few months ago when I saw them last, they seemed much more even handed.
Regardless- I've given up television. I get all my news online now, where I can fact check and verify for myself with the entire internet at my disposal.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:48:16pm |
re: #49 tradewind
They were smart enough to realize how much good that would have done.
Golden rule for pols dealing with media... ' never complain, never explain'.
Bingo.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:48:42pm |
re: #47 buzzsawmonkey
The CC would have said, "Cheap...cheap...cheap."
I don't care what she sounds like, she does have good points.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:48:45pm |
Fox will veer batshit left if they decide there's any real money in it, and I will keep right on bashing them.
To paraphrase Jack the Ripper, "I'm down on media whores and I shan't stop ripping them."
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:49:22pm |
re: #50 MikeySDCA
Fox is being characteristically amusing about the H1N1 vaccine. Half of the idiots are glooming and dooming that there won't be enough, while the other half are shrieking that it's unsafe.
When and where and who? One of Fox's doctors last week went to town on those who are scared of vaccines in general and the H1N1 in particular.
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Dakman Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:49:34pm |
re: #55 Sharmuta
Why- the last few times I have watched CNN, they seemed to have moderated more. I remembered them being more biased, but a few months ago when I saw them last, they seemed much more even handed.
Regardless- I've given up television. I get all my news online now, where I can fact check and verify for myself with the entire internet at my disposal.
I agree there and forgot that after Fox News Sunday I watch John King. I found Wolf Blitzer intolerable. King seems to be more level.
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countrockulot Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:50:32pm |
What bothers me about Fox News is that we seem to, as a society, have given up on the idea of objective reality. A recent example being that while most observers report roughly 100,000 at the recent D.C. tea party protests, an exclusive Fox News viewer might believe there were millions of people there. I am fine with "spin" to a certain extent, and do believe that the mainstream media tends to spin things pro-Democrat oftentimes. However, the answer can't be to just shove our fingers in our ears, shout "left wing media bias" and make up facts as we see fit. I want my political beliefs to be based on reality, not my conception of reality tailored to jibe with my political beliefs.
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Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:50:42pm |
The Media Can Legally Lie
"In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States. "
[Link: www.projectcensored.org...]
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theheat Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:52:13pm |
I feel for Anita Dunn. I've listened to her before and she seems like a hardworking trooper with a lot on her plate. But she's looking pretty close to being on her last nerve, especially compared to last fall.
There's a huge part of America that is looking for Fox's flavor of Kool-Aid, and Fox is going to milk this as long as it's profitable. It has nothing to do with what's right, or true; just what pays the most. It's so obvious now, they aren't even trying to deny the fact they're opinion news. It's Jerry Springer for the right wing fringe, and every wingnut is welcome to join in the fun.
I stopped watching Fox long ago, and haven't missed them for a millisecond.
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albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:52:50pm |
television news junkies...somebody should write a song...
( I don't trust them, I just tune in to...whatever)
every hit goes into the ratings...ratings mean money...money means you can say and do anything you want...RON PAUL!
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metrolibertarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:53:09pm |
re: #54 Honorary Yooper
It truly amazes me what kinds of people subscribe to this kind of idiocy. Many of them are of the type that you'd think would know better with regards to their education.
It gets kind of fucked up after that. Before moving here, she said her husband worked for Lockheed Martin. And after viewing this, the majority of my class was actually convinced by this nonsense. It immediately brought back the feelings of regret that my high school at the time didn't have AP Computer Science.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:54:40pm |
Frankly, I think no one even expects any news organization to be unbiased anymore. (Actively promoting craziness, however, should not be tolerated.) So we should just run with the ball. Let every TV show, newspaper column, etc., which often end with some description of the pundit's credentials ("X is the director of the Center for Y, a middle-of-the-road think-tank," etc.) now end with some description of their biases. For example:
"Outraged Columnist A is a deeply embittered partisan for [insert party name here], who failed Logic 101 in college, which is why this column doesn't make sense if you think too hard about it."
I'd read more newspapers and watch more TV news shows if they did that.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:55:20pm |
re: #12 Shiplord Kirel
Actually, it's increasingly the other way around: The GOP is becoming the political arm of Fox News and related outlets in the right wing of the media-industrial complex.
Other media-industrial power centers continue to be represented by the Democratic Party.
Maybe the GOP is sucking up to them because they can be sure the other networks won't give them even fair coverage.
Not that I watch TV news at all.
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Univac Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:55:38pm |
At time mark 1:30, she is asked about her interview a week ago that is printed in Time magazine, in which she is quoted about Fox being opinion journalism masquerading as news. Doesn't that suggest that part of this discussion/interview is to push that story?
At time 5:44, she laments that because NY Times had a story about Rep Ensign, and Fox News didn't, fox news has no news. No comment on times when Foxnews may have had topics that NY Times did not.
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dolphin_CAGE Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:56:00pm |
re: #52 Charles
The mainstream media's coverage of Bush may have been biased, but it was not even close to the kind of outright craziness Fox News is promoting these days. And it's not just the anti-Obama stuff -- they're reviving and bringing back discredited ideologies right out of the John Birch days, and outright nutjobs like Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell.
That I have to fully agree with. However, it's still pathetic to see a senior WH official whine about negative coverage from one media outlet, whereas the Bush Administration was getting it from virtually every direction.
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RogueOne Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:56:35pm |
re: #55 Sharmuta
I think I'm one of the very few people left who refuses to watch cable news programs. I might be overly cynical but I don't believe a word that comes out of their mouths.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:56:39pm |
re: #13 dolphin_CAGE
Look who's whining now. The Bush WH was getting flak from media for seven years straight, and it handled it like a gentleman handling a barking dog: letting them bark and proceeding on their own way.
But oh no, the narcissist Obama Administration can't stand anyone falling out of line.
Cry me a river, Anita.
This got updings? wow.
So you're saying that Bush got nothing but negative press from the 'liberal' media for 7 straight years? I'd be curious to see all the drumbeat of negative press from the media on bush in 2002 2003. please show me examples of a consistent media flak on Bush that would rival the media power of FNC.
Just for kicks and giggles, I looked up some research by Pew.
Obama had 42% positive coverage
Bush (2001) had 22% positive
Clinton (1993) had 26% positive
I suppose the 'liberal' media must have really had it in for Clinton too?
as a follow up, 34% of the US population felt the press was too critical of Bush in May of 2004.
And your Obama is uppity a narcissist meme is really outdated, tiring and patently untrue.
I mean, surely there issues of policy and positions that you can criticize Obama for instead ... right?
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Digital Display Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:58:11pm |
re: #44 metrolibertarian
My C++ teacher when I was a senior in high school showed us that idiotic documentary.
You studied C++ in High School? Wow..
Most kids start with C for programming.. Most kids can't understand inheritance and external interfaces to Objects in code...
Most kids are happy to print 'Hello World' in C.
Most projects over 100,000 lines of code require C++ for robustness and Stability.. They teach kids this Stuff in High School?
Crap..I'm getting old
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:58:46pm |
re: #68 Kosh's Shadow
Maybe the GOP is sucking up to them because they can be sure the other networks won't give them even fair coverage.
Not that I watch TV news at all.
I've said for years that the left as we know it is the political arm of the media. It was inevitable that the right would carve out is own subdivision in the media empire and seek to create its own political front. The GOP isn't being promoted or helped here, it is being subverted.
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albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:58:54pm |
re: #71 RogueOne
I think I'm one of the very few people left who refuses to watch cable news programs. I might be overly cynical but I don't believe a word that comes out of their mouths.
oh please...do you really think that?
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debutaunt Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:59:09pm |
re: #71 RogueOne
I think I'm one of the very few people left who refuses to watch cable news programs. I might be overly cynical but I don't believe a word that comes out of their mouths.
Have you discovered an honest news program?
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 12:59:39pm |
re: #71 RogueOne
I think I'm one of the very few people left who refuses to watch cable news programs. I might be overly cynical but I don't believe a word that comes out of their mouths.
You're not. It's a growing segment of us who think the msm is all the same. From the 3 majors, to all the cable networks. At least online I can verify things for myself.
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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:00:02pm |
Meanwhile, Jonah Goldberg defends Glenn Beck, because he's popular, and hey--the other side is worse.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:00:06pm |
re: #72 bloodstar
PIMF
"as a follow up, 34% of the US population felt the press was too critical of Bush in May of 2004."
should Read
"as a follow up, Just 34% of the US population felt the press was too critical of Bush in May of 2004."
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:00:10pm |
re: #65 metrolibertarian
I'm not so sure an AP class would've helped. I knew more than a few people in the CS department who were young-earth creationists.
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researchok Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:00:21pm |
Anita Dunn is being disingenuous at best.
During the last campaign, the networks and other cable news outlets were as partisan as partisan gets. Just ask the Obama primary opponents. Hillary Clinton, Ed Rendell and other liberals made public statements to the effect that Fox news was the fairest news outlet.
I'm no fan of Fox News, to be sure. That said, no other news outlet can claim the journalistic high ground. None.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:00:49pm |
re: #38 in excess
Such objectivity from this women!
No complaints about MSNBC!?!Can't the administration rise above and DO THEIR JOB!?!
They are doing their job - they're responding to partisan attacks in a partisan fashion. Because the Administration is, by definition, partisan.
Frankly, I welcome someone calling this crap out into the open. I only wish someone in the Administration had done it even once during the prior eight years, when other news agencies wrapped themselves in a Cloak of Impartiality and proceeded to provide biased coverage on a nightly basis.
Perhaps this will open the door to such criticism in the future. It's certainly well deserved now.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:01:35pm |
re: #78 wrenchwench
Meanwhile, Jonah Goldberg defends Glenn Beck, because he's popular, and hey--the other side is worse.
Our kool-aid tastes better!!1
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:01:48pm |
re: #81 researchok
I'm no fan of Fox News, to be sure. That said, no other news outlet can claim the journalistic high ground. None.
Maybe not, but Fox can definitely claim the journalistic low ground.
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albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:02:13pm |
arguing over the legitimcy of the MSM is futile...they don't exist for your benefit, they exist for your money...their agenda is profit, and their attitude toward politicians and and issues is completely self centered
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metrolibertarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:02:32pm |
re: #73 HoosierHoops
You studied C++ in High School? Wow..
Most kids start with C for programming.. Most kids can't understand inheritance and external interfaces to Objects in code...
Most kids are happy to print 'Hello World' in C.
Most projects over 100,000 lines of code require C++ for robustness and Stability.. They teach kids this Stuff in High School?
Crap..I'm getting old
Our programs were maybe 1000 lines of code max, and we had such obscenely long project dates it was actually an insulting class. I ended up using extra time to learn Visual BASIC and create silly programs, like a calculator that obscenely insulted the user whenever they tried to do some math function.
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dolphin_CAGE Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:02:41pm |
re: #72 bloodstar
This got updings? wow.
So you're saying that Bush got nothing but negative press from the 'liberal' media for 7 straight years? I'd be curious to see all the drumbeat of negative press from the media on bush in 2002 2003. please show me examples of a consistent media flak on Bush that would rival the media power of FNC.
Just for kicks and giggles, I looked up some research by Pew.
Obama had 42% positive coverage
Bush (2001) had 22% positive
Clinton (1993) had 26% positiveI suppose the 'liberal' media must have really had it in for Clinton too?
as a follow up, 34% of the US population felt the press was too critical of Bush in May of 2004.
And your Obama is
uppitya narcissist meme is really outdated, tiring and patently untrue.I mean, surely there issues of policy and positions that you can criticize Obama for instead ... right?
I'm sorry, I have more important things to do than argue with Obama fans on the Internet. I'm not going to convince you, you are not going to convince me, so what's the point of wasting time?
The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties is way more interesting than this.
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SFGoth Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:03:25pm |
We live in a bi-polar world and I've got a recommendation for medical marijuana.
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theheat Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:04:00pm |
re: #81 researchok
At that time, maybe Fox hadn't yet driven the GOP clown car over the side of the cliff. You have to admit, since Obama has plunked his rear in the WH, Fox has ramped up their insanity tenfold. I don't know if people got nuttier because of Fox news, or if Fox news got nuttier to pander to the nuts, but it's much more inflammatory than even a year ago.
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researchok Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:04:04pm |
re: #84 Charles
Maybe not, but Fox can definitely claim the journalist low ground.
Sadly, you've been proved right.
Truth be told, Fox has reached bottom, asked for a shovel and the the rest of MSM are along for the ride.
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researchok Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:05:32pm |
re: #90 theheat
At that time, maybe Fox hadn't yet driven the GOP clown car over the side of the cliff. You have to admit, since Obama has plunked his rear in the WH, Fox has ramped up their insanity tenfold. I don't know if people got nuttier because of Fox news, or if Fox news got nuttier to pander to the nuts, but it's much more inflammatory than even a year ago.
Agreed.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:06:21pm |
re: #87 dolphin_CAGE
I'm sorry, I have more important things to do than argue with Obama fans on the Internet. I'm not going to convince you, you are not going to convince me, so what's the point of wasting time?
The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties is way more interesting than this.
Whatever, I voted for Barr... I have my own issues with Obama, but if you're going to throw something out, bring game and back it up.
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abbyadams Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:06:21pm |
re: #81 researchok
Hillary Clinton (whose biggest cheerleader was Ed Rendell) also made an alliance with Richard Mellon Scaife, whose papers and research enthusiastically supported President Clinton's impeachment, and regularly printed allegations concerning Vince Foster. Hillary Clinton wanted to do anything to win, including embrace Fox.
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albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:06:39pm |
re: #91 researchok
Sadly, you've been proved right.
Truth be told, Fox has reached bottom, asked for a shovel and the the rest of MSM are along for the ride.
say's who?...they decide where the bottom is not you...stay tuned!
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:06:59pm |
re: #73 HoosierHoops
You studied C++ in High School? Wow..
Most kids start with C for programming.. Most kids can't understand inheritance and external interfaces to Objects in code...
Most kids are happy to print 'Hello World' in C.
Most projects over 100,000 lines of code require C++ for robustness and Stability.. They teach kids this Stuff in High School?
Crap..I'm getting old
Java is the favored teaching language these days, at least at the University level.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:07:45pm |
re: #62 Boyo
I guess it's fortunate for your source that there's no law against inventing creative headlines to suit a point of view, either.
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researchok Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:08:01pm |
re: #95 albusteve
say's who?...they decide where the bottom is not you...stay tuned!
You have a point.
What I find incredible is how so many of the MSM are following suit.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:08:59pm |
Off topic: Exploding Head Warning!
How long before Malkin starts banging the bars over this?
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albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:10:09pm |
re: #98 researchok
You have a point.
What I find incredible is how so many of the MSM are following suit.
competition for viewership
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Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:10:49pm |
re: #99 SixDegrees
Off topic: Exploding Head Warning!
How long before Malkin starts banging the bars over this?
wonder if there will ever be a time when we say "who cares what Malkin has to say?"
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:10:57pm |
re: #95 albusteve
MSNBC is still trying to dig its way up to ground level. Morning Joe has drilled an air shaft to help them, but it's still a long hard slog.
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former_secret_agent Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:11:07pm |
Off-topic, but I just had to tell you what happened after a meeting with a local politician recently. I noticed many of her office personnel were not concerned with how they treated confidential documents and that evacuation signs were not posted as required by law. I really insisted she have random organizational safety examinations identifying security and habitual offenders. But she did not agree. Don’t know if anything will come of it, but I thought it was wrong
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:11:17pm |
re: #4 Dakman
You haven't been commenting at LGF for three and a half years, and checking your past comments I see why. You're an anti-Muslim bigot who argued with me over your "right" to post slurs at LGF. You're out of here. And now I'm going to block the sock puppets you registered too.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:12:15pm |
re: #99 SixDegrees
Off topic: Exploding Head Warning!
How long before Malkin starts banging the bars over this?
Well, when she does, I'm already prepared to tell her where to shove it. Harvey Milk was a good man.
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brent Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:12:39pm |
I'm sorry, but what a thin-skinned, whiny group this administration is...
Maybe Ms Dunn could go all fetal position in front of Keith Olbermann for some solid, fair and balanced reporting? Maybe reread infamous Bush NG memo, if that hits closer to home.
My muddled point is, if you're going to call out the Fox news kids, then someone needs to mention that there are a lot of folks carrying this administration's water, too.
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RogueOne Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:12:55pm |
re: #75 albusteve
Absolutely. I stopped reading newspapers 10 years ago and completely stopped watching all TV news programs 5 or 6 years ago. Watch someone give a speech on CSPAN and then read the reactions and listen to how they characterize the speech and see how they would flat out lie about what the person said. I'd much rather read a transcript of a speech to understand what the person said than have some talking head on tv tell me what they thought they heard the person say.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:13:11pm |
re: #102 Boyo
wonder if there will ever be a time when we say "who cares what Malkin has to say?"
Right now, she's the canary in the coal mine. Whatever she starts shrilling about is headed to the forefront of Daily Outrage.
It isn't so much that she's a leader in this regard; it's just that she has her ear to the ground of the bottom feeders who start whipping this up, counting on her to build on their foundation.
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abbyadams Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:13:58pm |
re: #109 RogueOne
Agreed. I just turn it off when they start taking calls.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:13:59pm |
re: #107 vxbush
As of when?
About five minutes, I think. I saw a last post, and then it was deleted, and he went up into the air like Dorothy.
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researchok Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:13:59pm |
re: #94 abbyadams
Hillary Clinton (whose biggest cheerleader was Ed Rendell) also made an alliance with Richard Mellon Scaife, whose papers and research enthusiastically supported President Clinton's impeachment, and regularly printed allegations concerning Vince Foster. Hillary Clinton wanted to do anything to win, including embrace Fox.
Politics makes for strange bedfellows, for sure.
Still, the MSM embraced Obama, took his word as Gospel and excoriated his challengers- political realities that are every bit as ugly as Hillary's associations with Scaife.
It wasn't just Hillary who found Fox 'fair'. They are worse now (Obama deranged) than before, but like I said, all teh MSM are in the mud.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:14:17pm |
re: #107 vxbush
As of when?
Maybe 10 minutes ago. He got into a fight with Iceweasel, and it escalated.
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bosforus Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:14:48pm |
re: #100 Alouette
Not sure exactly what got under his skin today but he sounded like he wanted to be.
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Digital Display Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:15:12pm |
re: #86 metrolibertarian
Our programs were maybe 1000 lines of code max, and we had such obscenely long project dates it was actually an insulting class. I ended up using extra time to learn Visual BASIC and create silly programs, like a calculator that obscenely insulted the user whenever they tried to do some math function.
Oh thank Gawd...You guys were programming in VB.. That's not an object oriented programming Language...Well unless you were compiling OCX routines with a C++ compiler and calling the routines...
I can't imagine High School kids understanding how to hide Methods with internal interfaces.. But kids amaze me how smart they are..
Regards
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KingKenrod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:15:44pm |
Obama has taken the strategy of marginalizing Fox instead of engaging them. This is strange and seems at odds with his image as a political healer of divisions. Fox represents a huge audience of political opponents.
I think it's a mistake. He's only punishing himself. He should answer his critics by addressing them, not sending surrogates to rival networks. I see nothing but upside for Obama by appearing on Fox News Sunday or Special Report.
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vxbush Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:15:52pm |
re: #114 Honorary Yooper
Maybe 10 minutes ago. He got into a fight with Iceweasel, and it escalated.
I must admit to a certain amount of curiosity regarding what could cause buzz to get the stick, given his high karma.
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:16:43pm |
re: #100 Alouette
Oh shit, buzzsaw is banned.
He bought himself an infinite number of Saturdays on the Shrieking Harpy thread.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:16:49pm |
re: #118 vxbush
I must admit to a certain amount of curiosity regarding what could cause buzz to get the stick, given his high karma.
The thread's right downstairs. Read through it for yourself.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:16:56pm |
re: #100 Alouette
Oh shit, buzzsaw is banned.
One too many misogynistic comments. The last one was especially bad, and I won't repeat it.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:17:04pm |
re: #118 vxbush
I must admit to a certain amount of curiosity regarding what could cause buzz to get the stick, given his high karma.
It was a couple of very nasty comments, IMHO, the last of which suggested that his opponent was busy doing fellatio. It was out of line.
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bosforus Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:17:04pm |
re: #118 vxbush
I must admit to a certain amount of curiosity regarding what could cause buzz to get the stick, given his high karma.
High karma does not negate a potty mouth.
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RogueOne Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:17:20pm |
re: #76 debutaunt
Haven't tried but I can gladly say I've never tormented myself by watching 5 mins of olberdork or beck. Crap, I won't even watch olbermann on the NBC sunday night game. Why would you want to do that to yourself? You already know what spin matthews/olbermann/beck/oreilly/ohannity/blitzer/dobbs/maddow are going to put on an issue before you even turn it on.
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Quilly Mammoth Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:17:21pm |
There is no un-biased media. There never has been. Back "when" you knew which party your paper supported. Simply look at the papers in the 19th century; whom they supported and how they did it caused the term Yellow Journalism to be created about the sales war between Pulitzer and Hearst. Somehow, in the 20th century, we got the idea (promoted by the media) that the media should be and strove for fairness.
Hogwash.
Glenn Beck and Keith Olbermann are flip sides of the same coin. That coin is "buy my side", with the emphasis on buy. I know some will argue that Beck is loonier...but really, after you go past a certain point it doesn't really matter.
Hearst's dislike for President McKinley was so intense, and so mirrored by his main columnists, that after McKinley was shot an Ambrose Bierce poem about the assassination of Gov Goebel of Kentucky was twisted to imply that Hearst's papers had caused Leon Czolgosz to do the deed.
None of this is new. It's been this way since the detractors of Plato and will probably be this way until the sun burns out.
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The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:17:31pm |
re: #114 Honorary Yooper
Maybe 10 minutes ago. He
got intopicked a fight with Iceweasel, andit escalatedhe earned it for many reasons, that was only the catalyst.
Accuracy.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:17:57pm |
re: #114 Honorary Yooper
Maybe 10 minutes ago. He got into a fight with Iceweasel, and it escalated.
And then he lied about what he call iceweasel (because the offending comment had been nuked, no one could see what was actually said)...Charles called him out and brought the hammer down.
/damnit, WTF is wrong with people...you get upset with someone, just step away for a bit and chill
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Diamond Bullet Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:18:12pm |
Meh -- not Fox watcher, but at the same time it's hard to feel sorry for an Administration whining about the 1% of mainstream media that doesn't swing their way. Obama's Administration left itself vulnerable on many points, like their hilarious inability to vet any of their nominees, and for trusting their domestic agenda to a Speaker who by many accounts voluntarily injects anthrax into her own face. Blaming Fox for running with it is like blaming the ocean for flooding a boat you refuse to patch. 'sides, every time they attack Fox they just send more ratings boosts there. Might explain why even the NY Times is suddenly interested in viewpoints that aren't eloquent Obama tongue baths:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Here was an opportunity to cut himself free, in a stroke, from the baggage that’s weighed his presidency down — the implausible expectations, the utopian dreams, the messianic hoo-ha.
"Messianic hoo-ha" -- funny and also a halfway decent band name.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:18:33pm |
re: #117 KingKenrod
Obama has taken the strategy of marginalizing Fox instead of engaging them. This is strange and seems at odds with his image as a political healer of divisions. Fox represents a huge audience of political opponents.
I think it's a mistake. He's only punishing himself. He should answer his critics by addressing them, not sending surrogates to rival networks. I see nothing but upside for Obama by appearing on Fox News Sunday or Special Report.
If I had to hazard a guess, I think that Obama appearing on Fox News Sunday or Special Report would legitimize FNC to more people, rather than letting more people view FNC as spiraling deeper into 'bat country' territory.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:18:48pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:19:15pm |
re: #126 Quilly Mammoth
There is no un-biased media. There never has been. Back "when" you knew which party your paper supported. Simply look at the papers in the 19th century; whom they supported and how they did it caused the term Yellow Journalism to be created about the sales war between Pulitzer and Hearst. Somehow, in the 20th century, we got the idea (promoted by the media) that the media should be and strove for fairness.
Hogwash.
Glenn Beck and Keith Olbermann are flip sides of the same coin. That coin is "buy my side", with the emphasis on buy. I know some will argue that Beck is loonier...but really, after you go past a certain point it doesn't really matter.
Hearst's dislike for President McKinley was so intense, and so mirrored by his main columnists, that after McKinley was shot an Ambrose Bierce poem about the assassination of Gov Goebel of Kentucky was twisted to imply that Hearst's papers had caused Leon Czolgosz to do the deed.
None of this is new. It's been this way since the detractors of Plato and will probably be this way until the sun burns out.
I suppose that for fairness' sake, I should watch some Olbermann moments. Except that I can hardly stand to watch Beck for more than a few minutes. Adding to this seems masochistic, and not in a good way.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:19:56pm |
re: #128 talon_262
And then he lied about what he call iceweasel (because the offending comment had been nuked, no one could see what was actually said)...Charles called him out and brought the hammer down.
/damnit, WTF is wrong with people...you get upset with someone, just step away for a bit and chill
I saw, and it was getting rediculous. It was almost as if he wanted to get the stick without doing a flounce.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:20:17pm |
Whenever I think that the discussion on LGF is getting too much for me, I play Paf le Chien.
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The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:20:46pm |
re: #128 talon_262
And then he lied about what he call iceweasel (because the offending comment had been nuked, no one could see what was actually said)...Charles called him out and brought the hammer down.
/damnit, WTF is wrong with people...you get upset with someone, just step away for a bit and chill
Not to keep talking about this, but it's important that people hostile to LGF don't distort the facts-- this wasn't even the first time that Buzz called someone vile misogynistic names and later lied and said it never happened--- even when Charles provided a link to his comment proving it did.
And he never apologised ever for any of those times.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:20:50pm |
re: #134 Alouette
Whenever I think that the discussion on LGF is getting too much for me, I play Paf le Chien.
That works, as does Mafia Wars.
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fizzlogic Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:21:11pm |
There was a time when conservatives wanted an objective media. Instead we got FNC and rightwing talk radio. Which has become a caricature of everything we hated--only rightwing instead.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:21:25pm |
You have to wonder about the extremely thin skin at the WH communications office, though... as soon as Joe Scarborough joked about Obama's peace prize, he received an email from Rahmbo's office that said ' don't be an A--hole, Joe'...
and not in a joking manner. Wonder why they didn't realize that Joe would read the email immediately, on air?
And this was MSNBC. They're going to be playing whack-a-mole before long.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:21:47pm |
The White House comes off looking thin skinned and petty in this episode. George W. Bush received VERY shabby treatment from way more than a single news channel. Did he complain and whine like a spoiled little kid? No. Does FOX News have some bad actors in its stable? Undoubtedly they do. Is FOX compromised by them? Of course. But Obama has defenders on FOX like Geraldo Rivera, Juan Williams, Mara Liasson, and others. I see Bob Beckel and other voices from the left like al sharpton on FOX constantly defending the Democrats and they are allowed plenty of airtime to do it. But by whining like this, the White House only fuels the feud with FOX and is begging to be scrutinized even more by their people.
I saw an old quote (about getting into a beef with the media) on another web site that I'll steal here. "Don't get into a war of words with someone who buys ink by the barrel."
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arethusa Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:22:06pm |
re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist
I suppose that for fairness' sake, I should watch some Olbermann moments.
Supposedly he's a decent football commentator (would that qualify for balancing? :-), but I know what you mean, I can't watch either of those guys.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:22:15pm |
re: #129 Diamond Bullet
Unfortunately, Fox hasn't addressed any of the issues you raise, at least not in any depth. Instead, they have sunk to innuendo and outright lies to drum up populist outrage over a series of non-issues. It isn't even journalism; it's one ad hominem attack after another, based on fiction rather than fact.
And it is, indeed, baffling when there is so much substantive material they could be reporting on, as you point out.
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debutaunt Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:23:02pm |
re: #141 SixDegrees
Unfortunately, Fox hasn't addressed any of the issues you raise, at least not in any depth. Instead, they have sunk to innuendo and outright lies to drum up populist outrage over a series of non-issues. It isn't even journalism; it's one ad hominem attack after another, based on fiction rather than fact.
And it is, indeed, baffling when there is so much substantive material they could be reporting on, as you point out.
Is there any decent TV news?
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brandon13 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:23:36pm |
re: #90 theheat
At that time, maybe Fox hadn't yet driven the GOP clown car over the side of the cliff. You have to admit, since Obama has plunked his rear in the WH, Fox has ramped up their insanity tenfold. I don't know if people got nuttier because of Fox news, or if Fox news got nuttier to pander to the nuts, but it's much more inflammatory than even a year ago.
Glenn Beck was still at CNN at that time (and of course, not quite as batshit crazy as he is now) and I believe Hannity show was still Hannity and Colmes.
They've gone from at least trying to portray a moderate or balanced network (i.e. CNN) to becoming what they are now: a network that has managed to out do MSNBC, at the very opposite end of the spectrum, in its over the top, almost satirical view of this administration and country.
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researchok Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:24:15pm |
A lot people believe witty and piquant is a license to be less than civil or to be exempted from common courtesy.
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Quilly Mammoth Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:24:27pm |
re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist
I suppose that for fairness' sake, I should watch some Olbermann moments. Except that I can hardly stand to watch Beck for more than a few minutes. Adding to this seems masochistic, and not in a good way.
I haven't turned on my tv in months. I stopped watching MSNBC several years ago when Olbermann had some sort of shirt that said "fascist" for Bush to wear. And I stopped watching Fox before Beck started because Nepolitano is a whack job libertarian.
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Ray in TX Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:24:47pm |
You know, there's nothing wrong with a network having a conservative or liberal leaning. These people are all humans and come with their own political opinions and biases.
The problem with Fox is not that they are ideological; they are brazenly partisan. There is a difference.
For example, MSNBC is ideological. They have announcers that will openly criticize the Obama administration when they disagree. However, they generally tend to agree and support the admin because they are both on the same side of the ideological fence.
My favorite political news show, BAR NONE, is Rachel Maddow. She is liberal, but she is fair and always very prepared. She is gracious and doesn't yell over her guests, which is precisely why conservative guests will come on her show. Although it's "hostile" territory for them, they at least know that they will be given a chance to present their side of a particular story.
Keith Olbermann & Ed Schulz are also liberal, but they're both too bombastic for me. They are clearly catering to the Democratic base.
I also like Chris Mathews. The guy is often over-the-top and sometimes doesn't understand a topic he's covering, but you can tell that he *loves* politics. He's very entertaining to watch.
The only guy I can watch on the FNC is Shep. He's like a beacon of sanity in a channel full of lunacy.
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sagehen Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:24:58pm |
re: #117 KingKenrod
I think it's a mistake. He's only punishing himself. He should answer his critics by addressing them, not sending surrogates to rival networks. I see nothing but upside for Obama by appearing on Fox News Sunday or Special Report.
I'm not sure about that. He certainly got a lot of mileage out of declaring Rush Limbaugh the head of the Republican Party (and the ensuing comedy of elected GOP leaders saying 'no he isn't' and then scurrying to apologize).
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Quilly Mammoth Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:26:21pm |
re: #137 trendsurfer
There was a time when conservatives wanted an objective media. Instead we got FNC and rightwing talk radio. Which has become a caricature of everything we hated--only rightwing instead.
Conservatives wanted equal time. Which translates to equal amounts of biased presentation.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:26:49pm |
re: #142 debutaunt
Is there any decent TV news?
Only the local news, IMHO, and even some of that is suspect. I'll watch Fox 32 for the traffic and weather, but flip back to WGN in the morning for the rest, including their weather (but not their traffic - Fox 32 has a better map).
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:27:27pm |
re: #142 debutaunt
Is there any decent TV news?
Not that I've run across. Most "news" consists of a rapid read-through of headlines, each receiving a few seconds worth of coverage at most, with no meaningful details, read by someone with absolutely no idea what the syllables they're telepromptering to the world actually mean.
It used to be not so bad when you could at least pick up the next day's paper and get the blank spots filled in. But increasingly, even printed news is moving toward either bite-size, picture-dominated "coverage" - or bankruptcy. Detroit, which once supported two independent newspapers with a combined circulation of almost 2 million copies per day, years ago joined both into a bizarre hybrid Joint Operating Agreement, and just this year they eliminated daily delivery, reducing it to three days per week.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:28:29pm |
re: #138 tradewind
You have to wonder about the extremely thin skin at the WH communications office, though... as soon as Joe Scarborough joked about Obama's peace prize, he received an email from Rahmbo's office that said ' don't be an A--hole, Joe'...
and not in a joking manner. Wonder why they didn't realize that Joe would read the email immediately, on air?
And this was MSNBC. They're going to be playing whack-a-mole before long.
If the White House and the Obama administration is having problems with Fox, just give it a few more months. It's certainly not to the level of Bush-bashing yet, but the networks, the cable stations and the assorted outlets for humor can't survive just having a 24 hour Obama "love fest."
The tide is turning, it's called attracting viewers and readers, and the bottom line is money.
Obama, you can't stop them from doing what they do best, making money.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:28:36pm |
re: #146 Ray in TX
The only guy I can watch on the FNC is Shep. He's like a beacon of sanity in a channel full of lunacy.
I'll take issue with that because I saw Shep's behavior in the Katrina aftermath in New Orleans. It was atrocious, IMHO. He's also full of lunacy, but it is sad when Shep Smith is the sane one among them.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:28:41pm |
re: #146 Ray in TX
You know, there's nothing wrong with a network having a conservative or liberal leaning. These people are all humans and come with their own political opinions and biases.
The problem with Fox is not that they are ideological; they are brazenly partisan. There is a difference.
For example, MSNBC is ideological. They have announcers that will openly criticize the Obama administration when they disagree. However, they generally tend to agree and support the admin because they are both on the same side of the ideological fence.
My favorite political news show, BAR NONE, is Rachel Maddow. She is liberal, but she is fair and always very prepared. She is gracious and doesn't yell over her guests, which is precisely why conservative guests will come on her show. Although it's "hostile" territory for them, they at least know that they will be given a chance to present their side of a particular story.
Keith Olbermann & Ed Schulz are also liberal, but they're both too bombastic for me. They are clearly catering to the Democratic base.
I also like Chris Mathews. The guy is often over-the-top and sometimes doesn't understand a topic he's covering, but you can tell that he *loves* politics. He's very entertaining to watch.
The only guy I can watch on the FNC is Shep. He's like a beacon of sanity in a channel full of lunacy.
Brett Baier's 6pm ET news hour on FOX is very very good. The retired Brit Hume still appears on occasion and he is quite sane.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:28:54pm |
re: #141 SixDegrees
I suppose they paid attention when they saw how much fire was generated from the smoke about Dubya's AWOL status, how he covered up flunking his NG physical due to his cocaine habit, or how his administration sat around dreaming up new ways to torture and maim our enemies. Had it not been for the MSM's liberal conspiracy theorists, we'd never have known just how Big Oil was calling the shots at Defense, or how the country was actually being run by the Vice President.
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bosforus Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:30:55pm |
re: #152 Honorary Yooper
I'll take issue with that because I saw Shep's behavior in the Katrina aftermath in New Orleans. It was atrocious, IMHO. He's also full of lunacy, but it is sad when Shep Smith is the sane one among them.
Is he the one that yelled "you're a freak!" after the Michael Jackson stuff was settled.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:31:22pm |
re: #153 _RememberTonyC
Brett Baier's 6pm ET news hour on FOX is very very good. The retired Brit Hume still appears on occasion and he is quite sane.
I liked Brit Hume. Chris Wallace (son of Mike Wallace) is also decent, IMHO.
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Danny Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:31:25pm |
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fizzlogic Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:32:18pm |
re: #148 Quilly Mammoth
Conservatives wanted equal time. Which translates to equal amounts of biased presentation.
Maybe conservative hacks wanted equal time. I remember conservatives wanted objective presentation of the news.
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The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:32:44pm |
re: #146 Ray in TX
I have to disagree with at least some of your analysis there.
Keith Olbermann & Ed Schulz are also liberal, but they're both too bombastic for me. They are clearly catering to the Democratic base.
I also like Chris Mathews. The guy is often over-the-top and sometimes doesn't understand a topic he's covering, but you can tell that he *loves* politics. He's very entertaining to watch.
The only guy I can watch on the FNC is Shep. He's like a beacon of sanity in a channel full of lunacy.
Updinged for a thoughtful and cogent post although I don't completely agree.
I'll agree about Shep, and he earned a special place in my heart when he mocked Beck and Fox for the 'fear chamber'. But Chris Matthews is the epitome of lazy beltway journalism to me. I often like Olbermann's special comments but I can't bear to watch him, and Ed Schultz is a nut-- he's not pandering to the Dem base but to the left's version of the Glenn Beck audience, in a way.
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Skinless Frank Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:33:04pm |
If the White House wanted to protest slanted coverage, CNN was not the ideal place to make that point. The interviewer tossed one underhand slow pitch after another to Dunn. I suppose MSNBC or the NY Times would have been worse, but still...
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:33:11pm |
I'm surprised that there has been no previous thread on Imus In the Morning being simulcast on Fox Business Channel.
[Link: www.seattlepi.com...]
I think this was a very poor decision by the News Corp people. Although Imus returned to the radio some time ago, I think the FOX people hurt their brand by welcoming Imus back for 4 hours a day.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:33:16pm |
re: #155 Sharmuta
Someone's sockie, I presume.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:33:24pm |
re: #151 Walter L. Newton
Maybe they're just slow to get the concept of live by the media, die by the media.
Neve rmind... to be safe, maybe I should make that ' thrive by the media, wither by the media. '
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:33:46pm |
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Danny Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:35:05pm |
re: #165 Honorary Yooper
He's the one with 2 comments to his name.
Ah, ok. Lack of hyphen threw me there.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:35:19pm |
re: #160 iceweasel
I have to disagree with at least some of your analysis there.
Updinged for a thoughtful and cogent post although I don't completely agree.
I'll agree about Shep, and he earned a special place in my heart when he mocked Beck and Fox for the 'fear chamber'. But Chris Matthews is the epitome of lazy beltway journalism to me. I often like Olbermann's special comments but I can't bear to watch him, and Ed Schultz is a nut-- he's not pandering to the Dem base but to the left's version of the Glenn Beck audience, in a way.
So you are saying that Ed Shultz is a far left fruitcake?
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:35:23pm |
re: #154 tradewind
I suppose they paid attention when they saw how much fire was generated from the smoke about Dubya's AWOL status, how he covered up flunking his NG physical due to his cocaine habit, or how his administration sat around dreaming up new ways to torture and maim our enemies. Had it not been for the MSM's liberal conspiracy theorists, we'd never have known just how Big Oil was calling the shots at Defense, or how the country was actually being run by the Vice President.
I think the explanation is simpler and more venal. It's all about money. And on television these days, you can't compete as a broad-spectrum player like you could in the old days when three networks fought over the entire audience. Now, with hundreds of channels to choose from, the only way to survive is to corner a niche market and dominate it. It appears that this is what Fox is doing. They captured the "conservative" slice of the audience, and are now focusing their attention ever narrower, looking to rope in and never let go of a solid core audience with strong channel loyalties. That this audience is made up of crazy assholes doesn't matter - it's all about eyeballs, as they say on the Web and elsewhere, and the more screeching loonies they can attract, the better they're doing. It's pointless to try to appeal to a broad audience anymore - all the constituent bits and pieces will drift off to more specialized venues in a heartbeat, so you become one of those venues yourself and grab that small, hyper-specialized interest group you've targeted.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:35:41pm |
re: #157 Honorary Yooper
I liked Brit Hume. Chris Wallace (son of Mike Wallace) is also decent, IMHO.
I agree on both those guys - my Fox viewership went way down when Hume retired, since that was the only show of theirs I looked at regularly. Bret is a good replacement, but I think under him the show has turned more right - he seems more prone to making editorializing comments on stories once they've been presented. (Whereas Brit would let you know what he thought with his expression.)
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:35:46pm |
re: #126 Quilly Mammoth
There is no un-biased media. There never has been. Back "when" you knew which party your paper supported. Simply look at the papers in the 19th century; whom they supported and how they did it caused the term Yellow Journalism to be created about the sales war between Pulitzer and Hearst. Somehow, in the 20th century, we got the idea (promoted by the media) that the media should be and strove for fairness.
Hogwash.
Glenn Beck and Keith Olbermann are flip sides of the same coin. That coin is "buy my side", with the emphasis on buy. I know some will argue that Beck is loonier...but really, after you go past a certain point it doesn't really matter.
Hearst's dislike for President McKinley was so intense, and so mirrored by his main columnists, that after McKinley was shot an Ambrose Bierce poem about the assassination of Gov Goebel of Kentucky was twisted to imply that Hearst's papers had caused Leon Czolgosz to do the deed.
None of this is new. It's been this way since the detractors of Plato and will probably be this way until the sun burns out.
Exactly. The idea of an unbiased press would have been quite alien to the Founding Fathers. The allegedly unbiased press really originated with wire services like Reuters and AP during the mid nineteenth century. Since they had to feed news to a variety of outlets with widely differing biases, they had to tout their own neutrality and lack of bias. Inevitably though, the wires developed their own biases. This crept subtly into their feeds and became dominant because the subscriber outlets were helpless without those feeds. This was really the origin of the "media-industrial complex" as I call it. The wire services, and their dominant internal biases, served to unify, and eventually to characterize, the outlook of the individual subscribers.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:37:29pm |
re: #135 iceweasel
Not to keep talking about this, but it's important that people hostile to LGF don't distort the facts-- this wasn't even the first time that Buzz called someone vile misogynistic names and later lied and said it never happened--- even when Charles provided a link to his comment proving it did.
And he never apologised ever for any of those times.
Not to blame you for buzz's apparent meltdown, but y'all have been going at each other like two bantam roosters in a pit, on almost any topic I've seen you both comment in as of late.
Buzz decided to make it personal, stepped over the line, and got bit in the ass...it's a damn shame, because I liked him. I just hope he doesn't take leave of all his senses and migrate to the Deuce, CC, and any of the other stalker sites...I'd like for him to apologize to you and Charles (and anyone else involved) and be able to return (though I'm not holding out much hope of that).
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The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:39:02pm |
re: #138 tradewind
You have to wonder about the extremely thin skin at the WH communications office, though... as soon as Joe Scarborough joked about Obama's peace prize, he received an email from Rahmbo's office that said ' don't be an A--hole, Joe'...
and not in a joking manner. Wonder why they didn't realize that Joe would read the email immediately, on air?
And this was MSNBC. They're going to be playing whack-a-mole before long.
I get what you're saying, but a couple of weeks ago the WH deliberately adopted a ferocious counter-attack strategy for media (and GOP) disinformation. IIRC Anita Dunn handled some of the push-back efforts during the Obama campaign. The Obama campaign had a whole rapidfire aggressive co-ordinated response effort for all McCain attacks. It worked. They've only recently made a conscious decision to adopt the same for the admin now that they're elected. Personally, I think it's a good idea.
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Ray in TX Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:40:00pm |
re: #160 iceweasel
But Chris Matthews is the epitome of lazy beltway journalism to me. I often like Olbermann's special comments but I can't bear to watch him, and Ed Schultz is a nut-- he's not pandering to the Dem base but to the left's version of the Glenn Beck audience, in a way.
I want to emphasize that I watch Matthews for entertainment, not analysis. The guy cracks me up! :) Occasionally he'll strike gold, like with Bachmann, but usually he's yukking it up or trying to get his viewers to agree with his opinion.
I enjoyed Olbermann's format when he started, but the cycle of continuous outrage just got old after a while. I think Schultz's lasted about a week before I gave up on him. He's definitely throwing red meat to the base.
I wouldn't quite compare him to Beck, who seems mentally unstable.
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jojostan Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:40:22pm |
I wonder if she realized how pathetic she looked afterwords. Sniveling and whining about Fox news for minutes on end., Jesus, what a little whiner! The Bush administration put up with far worse for 7 years but did they complain? No. They simply went on doing their jobs with the realization that most of the MSM was out to get them. The anointed one has the entire MSM except for Fox and talk radio in his pocket and that's still not good enough! how dare those Fox people say bad things about us! The towering narcissism of the One and his minions is truly breathtaking.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:40:40pm |
re: #170 Shiplord Kirel
Exactly. The idea of an unbiased press would have been quite alien to the Founding Fathers. The allegedly unbiased press really originated with wire services like Reuters and AP during the mid nineteenth century. Since they had to feed news to a variety of outlets with widely differing biases, they had to tout their own neutrality and lack of bias. Inevitably though, the wires developed their own biases. This crept subtly into their feeds and became dominant because the subscriber outlets were helpless without those feeds. This was really the origin of the "media-industrial complex" as I call it. The wire services, and their dominant internal biases, served to unify, and eventually to characterize, the outlook of the individual subscribers.
Oh goody, a chance to use a quote I wrote down from a novel the other day, talking about the press in London, circa 1714, with so many new papers, 18 to be exact, so much party politics... party malice...
"He looked forward to his daily ink-toilette, immersion in bile, a splash of calumny on the face and a dab of slander behind each ear, and he was a new man" (Neal Stephenson's "The System of the World")
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:41:59pm |
re: #170 Shiplord Kirel
Exactly. The idea of an unbiased press would have been quite alien to the Founding Fathers. The allegedly unbiased press really originated with wire services like Reuters and AP during the mid nineteenth century. Since they had to feed news to a variety of outlets with widely differing biases, they had to tout their own neutrality and lack of bias. Inevitably though, the wires developed their own biases. This crept subtly into their feeds and became dominant because the subscriber outlets were helpless without those feeds. This was really the origin of the "media-industrial complex" as I call it. The wire services, and their dominant internal biases, served to unify, and eventually to characterize, the outlook of the individual subscribers.
But back then, there would be competing newspapers with different biases; you could pick, or read several and try to piece together an unbiased viewpoint.
But now, especially on TV, there are only shades of one viewpoint expressed, with anything other than a liberal view stuck in the "lesser" outlets.
For example, in Boston, the Globe is still the premier paper, with the Herald catering to more blue-collar people. (Not putting anyone down.) The Herald often runs gossip and entertainment "news" in the front page; all this bothers me, but I read its web site because I won't go near the Globe's after the way they handled Operation Cast Lead, with absolutely no reference to attacks from Gaza.
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theheat Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:44:55pm |
re: #174 jojostan
You know, your comment would mean something if she actually whined. I didn't see anything like whining. I did, however, see her back up her assertions with facts, albeit in a rush. Whiners usually just have irrational fits and play victim. Some even cry. Some even put Vick's Vapo-Rub under their eyes to cry.
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Ray in TX Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:45:24pm |
re: #153 _RememberTonyC
Brett Baier's 6pm ET news hour on FOX is very very good. The retired Brit Hume still appears on occasion and he is quite sane.
Thanks, I'll have to check it out.
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The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:45:46pm |
re: #171 talon_262
Not to blame you for buzz's apparent meltdown, but y'all have been going at each other like two bantam roosters in a pit, on almost any topic I've seen you both comment in as of late.
Buzz decided to make it personal, stepped over the line, and got bit in the ass...it's a damn shame, because I liked him. I just hope he doesn't take leave of all his senses and migrate to the Deuce, CC, and any of the other stalker sites...I'd like for him to apologize to you and Charles (and anyone else involved) and be able to return (though I'm not holding out much hope of that).
Whatever. Buzz also defended the ideas that biology is destiny for women, that women's liberation was wholly about the idea that women could escape their biological destiny, that there is a prima facie conflict between being a devout Jew and a scientist, that the birth control pill was solely about women fucking for fun, (his words, but with a ph in place of the f-- i guess that makes it better!), that no one should listen to anything Rachel Maddow says because she is (his words) "a sniggering lesbian" -- and this is just what I've observed in the few months I've been here.
He trashed Charles as well as me, in his final comment, apparently. Don't fool yourself that this was just a case of someone getting a little overheated. He earned his banning, many times over, and I do not believe it is solely because of a conflict to do with me today.
Again, I don't want to talk about this, but I REFUSE to let the stalker blog, or him, pretend that this was an undeserved banning, or came out of nowhere.
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Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:45:47pm |
'The White House is coming off as thin-skinned' is baloney. Six months ago that might have been a fair criticism.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:45:48pm |
There's a ' can't stand the heat? Vacate the kitchen ' quality to this that the WH press office is just not getting.
Whether their complaints about coverage are justified or not, this is not going to be a winning issue for them. They're simply going to appear defensive and not at all confident. This president has commandeered the airwaves more than any other... he has a bully pulpit that he can use to refute accusations he feels are unfair, and to make points that he wishes to stress. He's shown himself quite capable of doing both, and the media has certainly cooperated. His press office should stfu.
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FrogMarch Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:46:37pm |
Despite what one doesn’t like about Fox news- this is an effort by the left to kill off any and all criticism. It's the same reason the left desperately want to kill off talk radio.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:47:34pm |
What you mean Fox news lies, and lies a lot?
You mean they active plant disinformation and then report on how the information spreads as if they did not create it?
Say it isn't so...
But some people say Fox is anything but fair and balanced. Those people happen to all be the ones who are not raving lunatics.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:47:45pm |
re: #181 Coracle
'The White House is coming off as thin-skinned' is baloney. Six months ago that might have been a fair criticism.
Glad you cleared that up for us. We need a new thread, new topic.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:48:18pm |
re: #183 FrogMarch
Despite what one doesn’t like about Fox news- this is an effort by the left to kill off any and all criticism. It's the same reason the left desperately want to kill off talk radio.
No this is a much too late and too little effort to shut down a lying propaganda arm of the far right that can't be bothered to report on the truth.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:48:36pm |
re: #183 FrogMarch
Despite what one doesn’t like about Fox news- this is an effort by the left to kill off any and all criticism. It's the same reason the left desperately want to kill off talk radio.
You must be kidding?
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The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:49:01pm |
re: #173 Ray in TX
I want to emphasize that I watch Matthews for entertainment, not analysis. The guy cracks me up! :) Occasionally he'll strike gold, like with Bachmann, but usually he's yukking it up or trying to get his viewers to agree with his opinion.
I enjoyed Olbermann's format when he started, but the cycle of continuous outrage just got old after a while. I think Schultz's lasted about a week before I gave up on him. He's definitely throwing red meat to the base.
I wouldn't quite compare him to Beck, who seems mentally unstable.
Agreed. Schultz isn't like Beck (who I also believe is mentally unstable)-- he's just the closest analogy I can think of on the left for beck. Still very far off Beck, though.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:49:06pm |
re: #183 FrogMarch
Nonsense. Nobody's proposing shutting them down. They are not a serious news network and there's no reason to treat them like one.
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Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:49:06pm |
re: #182 tradewind
There's a ' can't stand the heat? Vacate the kitchen ' quality to this that the WH press office is just not getting.
Whether their complaints about coverage are justified or not, this is not going to be a winning issue for them. They're simply going to appear defensive and not at all confident. This president has commandeered the airwaves more than any other... he has a bully pulpit that he can use to refute accusations he feels are unfair, and to make points that he wishes to stress. He's shown himself quite capable of doing both, and the media has certainly cooperated. His press office should stfu.
the press office should stfu?
I say keep calling out fox for what it is...until it is no more.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:49:24pm |
re: #186 LudwigVanQuixote
No this is a much too late and too little effort to shut down a lying propaganda arm of the far right that can't be bothered to report on the truth.
I agree, Fox isn't going anywhere.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:49:31pm |
re: #180 iceweasel
I seem to have missed some drama over the holidays.
Well, can't say I didn't see it coming.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:49:57pm |
re: #173 Ray in TX
There has been pundit speculation as to Olbermann's state ( read soundness) of mind as well, from some of his colleagues, a while back. I believe it was his feud with O'Reilly that started it. He tends to try to get people he disagrees with fired, which is not exactly an indicator of a balanced personality.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:50:59pm |
re: #191 Boyo
Well good luck with that. You'll have a long, long wait, boyo. This is America.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:51:13pm |
re: #189 iceweasel
Agreed. Schultz isn't like Beck (who I also believe is mentally unstable)-- he's just the closest analogy I can think of on the left for beck. Still very far off Beck, though.
I asked you above about Shultz and didn't see an answer. I thought he was a darling of the far left. I listen to him, a few times a month, and he comes off as reasonable, considering his positions.
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Rexatosis Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:52:30pm |
If the White House can't take some criticism from Fox News how is the White House going to handle serious criticism from Russia, China, the Arab World, Latin America? This makes the Obama Administration look weak and does not bode well for his foreign policy objectives (it is important to remember Khrushchev based part of his decision to place missiles in Cuba on his perception that JFK was weak and conversely Brezhnev and his successors' views of Reagan's strength was based partly on Reagan's handling of the PATCO strike). There is no upside for the White House to engage in this type of carping.
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FrogMarch Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:52:35pm |
re: #188 Walter L. Newton
You must be kidding?
Shutting down debate and criticism, not the entire network.
Obama woudn't go on the Chris Wallace show. Why? No softballs.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:52:49pm |
re: #191 Boyo
the press office should stfu?
I say keep calling out fox for what it is...until it is no more.
Do you think the White House should find some way to shut Fox down, close it, put it out of business?
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The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:52:56pm |
re: #194 tradewind
There has been pundit speculation as to Olbermann's state ( read soundness) of mind as well, from some of his colleagues, a while back. I believe it was his feud with O'Reilly that started it. He tends to try to get people he disagrees with fired, which is not exactly an indicator of a balanced personality.
He's a blowhard for sure, and personal accounts seem to say that he's a bully, a narcissist, and a jerk in various ways-- but he isn't breaking down in tears on screen like Beck or any of the rest of it. No comparison. He's more like O'reilly or Limbaugh: cynical bullies filling a profitable niche, IMO.
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Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:53:57pm |
re: #195 tradewind
Well good luck with that. You'll have a long, long wait, boyo. This is America.
was that last bit necessary?
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Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:54:36pm |
re: #197 Rexatosis
Yeah, yeah. Baloney. The WH has been taking it from Fox since before inauguration. It decides to call bullshit bullshit and all of a sudden it "can't take criticism". My foot.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:55:01pm |
re: #201 Boyo
was that last bit necessary?
Considering you made a comment about shutting down one of the largest cable networks in the world... yes.
Sort of a reality check, wasn't it?
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HighFlyingCrane Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:55:14pm |
Well, as others have noted, if Fox is the communications arm of the Republican party (don't know if it is, I've never watched it), the NYT etc. is the communications arm of the Democratic party. That's not what's important though. Obama shouldn't be picking and choosing his outlets based on their ideology - he's the president now, and his constituents are all of us, D, R, and Other. The man can't seem to realize that he is not campaigning any more, he won. The least he could do is act like it. Blech.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:55:18pm |
re: #197 Rexatosis
If the White House can't take some criticism from Fox News how is the White House going to handle serious criticism from Russia, China, the Arab World, Latin America? This makes the Obama Administration look weak and does not bode well for his foreign policy objectives (it is important to remember Khrushchev based part of his decision to place missiles in Cuba on his perception that JFK was weak and conversely Brezhnev and his successors' views of Reagan's strength was based partly on Reagan's handling of the PATCO strike). There is no upside for the White House to engage in this type of carping.
Hmmm. If the White House said nothing to Russia, China, the Arab world or Latin America, we would see that as weakness, no? I'm not sure that the perceived silent suffering of the Bush White House is the best model to follow. If they start whinging about Fox endlessly, it won't look good, but saying nothing isn't necessarily best either.
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Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:55:41pm |
re: #199 Walter L. Newton
Do you think the White House should find some way to shut Fox down, close it, put it out of business?
you know the answer to that one ,its not a good trap youve set there,the white house should never shut down a tv station this isnt venenzuela as I was reminded by tradewind..but liars should be exposed until they cant lie anymore agree?
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The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:56:34pm |
re: #196 Walter L. Newton
I asked you above about Shultz and didn't see an answer. I thought he was a darling of the far left. I listen to him, a few times a month, and he comes off as reasonable, considering his positions.
Hey Walter-- sorry, I am multitasking, didn't see your question. I don't like Schultz because he's unreliable and too emotional-- kind of frothy, in my opinion.
Sorry, working on some things here and am rushed-- I will be back later and we can hopefully pick this up later as well. cheers, iDub
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:56:38pm |
re: #186 LudwigVanQuixote
No this is a much too late and too little effort to shut down a lying propaganda arm of the far right that can't be bothered to report on the truth.
That will leave us with lying, propaganda arms of the left.
This is a problem with tying the media and politics as closely as they are; nobody makes money selling entertainment that covers the people in the middle.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:56:40pm |
re: #200 iceweasel
I guess I've never seen him tear up, true, but I have been alarmed at the bulging veins in his head. He's one angry person. I hope for the sake of people he hangs out with off air that it's a persona.
With the 24-hour news cycle and so many choices now, I'm afraid that it has been decided that news broadcasts are going to have to push on through to the other side... both sides. This might be fun depending on the point of view, but it doesn't really help inform the public.
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Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:57:03pm |
re: #203 Walter L. Newton
Considering you made a comment about shutting down one of the largest cable networks in the world... yes.
Sort of a reality check, wasn't it?
shutting down? I didnt say anything about shutting down.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:57:07pm |
re: #200 iceweasel
He's a blowhard for sure, and personal accounts seem to say that he's a bully, a narcissist, and a jerk in various ways-- but he isn't breaking down in tears on screen like Beck or any of the rest of it. No comparison. He's more like O'reilly or Limbaugh: cynical bullies filling a profitable niche, IMO.
I worked with olbermann for a few years. Ice has pretty much pegged him as far as his personality. He is a rotten human being with more skeletons than an "I Party" store in late October.
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Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:57:54pm |
re: #204 HighFlyingCrane
Obama shouldn't be picking and choosing his outlets based on their ideology -
That's not what he's doing. He's simply identifying the ideology of a news outlet.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:58:27pm |
re: #206 Boyo
you know the answer to that one ,its not a good trap youve set there,the white house should never shut down a tv station this isnt venenzuela as I was reminded by tradewind..but liars should be exposed until they cant lie anymore agree?
It wasn't some "trap." You need to know that I've been around here long enough not to need to play games or "set traps." It was an outright honest question. Just because you don't like the way it was worded or it bothers some sensibility of yours, it don't matter.
I wasn't the only one to take you comment as meaning that you wanted it shut down. So, maybe you worded it wrong.
Heh.
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HighFlyingCrane Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:59:49pm |
re: #212 Coracle
He shouldn't be in the business of identifying ideology. He's the president, not another partisan hack. Or should be. Too much to expect, I know.
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Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 1:59:52pm |
re: #213 Walter L. Newton
true indeed walter,my bad.
call it out for what it is = propaganda
until it is no more=until it no longer is propaganda
just wishful thinking on my part
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Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:01:41pm |
re: #214 HighFlyingCrane
He shouldn't be in the business of identifying ideology. He's the president, not another partisan hack. Or should be. Too much to expect, I know.
Then let's be clear. He's not doing it. A representative who's job it is - i.e. communications director - is doing it i.e. identifu=ying the ideology of one of those communication outlets. Exactly what one would expect.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:01:55pm |
re: #201 Boyo
To be perfectly honest, I was afraid you might need to be disabused of the notion that the government in America has the power to shut down a broadcast network for their political persuasion. I hear there are countries where that sort of thing goes on.
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Earth56 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:02:20pm |
Nothing beats the bias that the BBC has for Israel.
Nothing even comes close.
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HighFlyingCrane Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:03:51pm |
re: #216 Coracle
Nonsense. His representative speaks for him, speaks for the presidency. And he speaks like a campaigner, like a partisan shouter. This repellent president disgraces the office just as Nixon did, and for the same reasons.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:03:55pm |
re: #210 Boyo
I think it was the ' is no more' that got him. It has this ' die already' stench attached to it.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:03:59pm |
re: #202 Coracle
At Obama's very first press conference on Nov. 8, Fox was not allowed to ask a question, while every other network news organization was. This has indeed been going on for a while.
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Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:04:12pm |
re: #217 tradewind
To be perfectly honest, I was afraid you might need to be disabused of the notion that the government in America has the power to shut down a broadcast network for their political persuasion. I hear there are countries where that sort of thing goes on.
no need to be concerned about this but thanks.yes there are countries who do this.ours does not.
but some one upwards said something about our presidents press office shutting the eff up...I say keep speaking on it.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:04:52pm |
re: #221 arethusa
They're being given a time out even now for not playing nicely. Very mature of the WH.
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Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:04:54pm |
re: #220 tradewind
I think it was the ' is no more' that got him. It has this ' die already' stench attached to it.
true indeed again..I must watch my words very carefully from this point forward.
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Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:04:59pm |
re: #219 HighFlyingCrane
Nonsense. His representative speaks for him, speaks for the presidency. And he speaks like a campaigner, like a partisan shouter. This repellent president disgraces the office just as Nixon did, and for the same reasons.
Brilliant. No, that's not the word. Bullshit. Yeah, that's it.
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theheat Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:04:59pm |
re: #209 tradewind
I've watched Olbermann vibrate and spew like he was going to achieve liftoff. I've watched Beck turn red and pudgy and bawl like an infant. O'Reilly scowls and does the eyebrow thing like a rabid Shar Pei. I've seen Limbaugh's jowls flap so violently, you'd think he was in a g-force simulator. What is it with these people, that normal delivery isn't good enough? They've turned into excruciatingly repellent thespians.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:05:01pm |
re: #180 iceweasel
Whatever. Buzz also defended the ideas that biology is destiny for women, that women's liberation was wholly about the idea that women could escape their biological destiny, that there is a prima facie conflict between being a devout Jew and a scientist, that the birth control pill was solely about women fucking for fun, (his words, but with a ph in place of the f-- i guess that makes it better!), that no one should listen to anything Rachel Maddow says because she is (his words) "a sniggering lesbian" -- and this is just what I've observed in the few months I've been here.
He trashed Charles as well as me, in his final comment, apparently. Don't fool yourself that this was just a case of someone getting a little overheated. He earned his banning, many times over, and I do not believe it is solely because of a conflict to do with me today.
Again, I don't want to talk about this, but I REFUSE to let the stalker blog, or him, pretend that this was an undeserved banning, or came out of nowhere.
As I've not seen the particular comments you say that buzz has made, I'll take you at your word until I have a chance to sift through and see exactly what he's said; I don't get into every thread and don't see every post, so I have to plead a bit of ignorance here. Nevertheless, he had done enough to get the stick from Charles (something he doesn't do lightly) and today's episode was apparently the last straw. I'm not excusing him at all, because if he had a history of pulling this sort of crap like I saw in his last posts (which he apparently did), then Charles was right to give him the stick.
I know you don't want to talk about it anymore, so this is all for me on this subject.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:05:10pm |
re: #215 Boyo
true indeed walter,my bad.
call it out for what it is = propaganda
until it is no more=until it no longer is propaganda
just wishful thinking on my part
Then we can agree that if Fox can't hold it's own against those who question them, then their reliability should suffer and at some point they may not have the same voice in the media that they now have. Flip side of that, their rating could go through the roof.
It's a business, not a charity, the media, none of them, really gives a rats-ass about anything but ratings and revenue. It's a bad habit that you may have not noticed.
I don't give much weight to whether a news outlet is fair or balanced, that's not what keeps them on the air. Simple proof of that, loo at Becks ratings.
Case closed. We can pontificate all we want. Doesn't change a thing.
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Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:06:59pm |
re: #221 arethusa
At Obama's very first press conference on Nov. 8, Fox was not allowed to ask a question, while every other network news organization was. This has indeed been going on for a while.
I'm well aware that the enmity between the admin and Fox is not new. It doesn't change the analysis. Rather it supports it.
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filetandrelease Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:07:28pm |
What is a good news station to watch these days? Seriously, does anyone here get their news from TV? An honest question, it seems to me they all pretty much suck and are biased, opinionated and skip real news for trivial crap like did ya know Michael Jacksons' glove is for sale?
O'Reilly or Oberman, pick your idiot.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:07:49pm |
re: #226 theheat
I've watched Olbermann vibrate and spew like he was going to achieve liftoff. I've watched Beck turn red and pudgy and bawl like an infant. O'Reilly scowls and does the eyebrow thing like a rabid Shar Pei. I've seen Limbaugh's jowls flap so violently, you'd think he was in a g-force simulator. What is it with these people, that normal delivery isn't good enough? They've turned into excruciatingly repellent thespians.
Present company excluded, please. Darling, I'm ready for my close up. You people just don't know how hard it is to be famous.
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Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:08:12pm |
re: #78 wrenchwench
Meanwhile, Jonah Goldberg defends Glenn Beck, because he's popular, and hey--the other side is worse.
Jonah Goldberg can be counted on with absolute certainty to back the stupid horse in every race, it seems.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:08:44pm |
re: #230 filetandrelease
What is a good news station to watch these days? Seriously, does anyone here get their news from TV? An honest question, it seems to me they all pretty much suck and are biased, opinionated and skip real news for trivial crap like did ya know Michael Jacksons' glove is for sale?
O'Reilly or Oberman, pick your idiot.
Which one, the right or the left?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:08:55pm |
re: #230 filetandrelease
What is a good news station to watch these days? Seriously, does anyone here get their news from TV?
WLGF?
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:08:58pm |
We just got the word today that the coworker who died last week was confirmed a suicide. "Intraoral gun shot wound to the head" was the terminology used to describe it. We still can't believe he did it.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:08:59pm |
re: #222 Boyo
The 'stfu' would be a wise move for them if they'd like to lower the rhetoric. If they keep complaining, they merely turn up the flame on the argument, and draw more people into it. Fox or any other network would be happy if that happens.
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Ulairi Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:09:33pm |
Fox News and the others are taking us back when the media was directly aligned with a political party. I don't like it at all. Fox has gotten in the swamp with the worst aspect of the GOP. I keep hoping they'll be a split and we can get them (the Beck, birther, ron paulites) out of the party.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:10:25pm |
re: #229 Coracle
Uh, I was following up your comment with evidence that further supported what you said on the long-running nature of the conflict between Obama and Fox.
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Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:10:33pm |
re: #228 Walter L. Newton
Then we can agree that if Fox can't hold it's own against those who question them, then their reliability should suffer and at some point they may not have the same voice in the media that they now have. Flip side of that, their rating could go through the roof.
It's a business, not a charity, the media, none of them, really gives a rats-ass about anything but ratings and revenue. It's a bad habit that you may have not noticed.
I don't give much weight to whether a news outlet is fair or balanced, that's not what keeps them on the air. Simple proof of that, loo at Becks ratings.
Case closed. We can pontificate all we want. Doesn't change a thing.
it would be all fine and dandy if fox "news" was a comedy show or a sci fi show or whatever,no harm in having millions of people enjoying shows about spaceships battling in space or millions laughing at pratfalls and shtick ..but as they are now,they masquerade as news and get lots of folks thinking in ways that harm the rest of us...but at the end of the day ratings rule and money cares not for right or left lies or truth.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:11:11pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:11:44pm |
Now as to some other things to get off of my chest...
I have always been a down the middle centrist. I have always been willing to listen to both sides of the political debate and try to figure out what I thought was the best argument.
I am not a Democrat. In fact, I have many problems with the Democratic party - or to be specific, the far left elements of that party. I also despise the politics as usual aspect of it (which is an equal problem with the GOP).
Hillary Clinton is a great example of this. I detest her not because she is a woman or because she is very intelligent and well educated. Rather, I despise the fact that she strikes me as cravenly ambitious and one who really does not stand for much of anything. Her lie about landing under sniper fire caused me to lose any lingering respect for her I might have had.
Now that I said that, I am going to rip apart the GOP. If the Dems have their share of corruption, silliness, weakness and naiveté, the GOP is nothing more than a bitter party of lies, distortions and medieval values that I simply can not stomach. Yes, the GOP pays lip service to being pro-Israel. That is about all I can say good for them.
They speechify now about the constitution... wasn't it their talking point a mere year ago that speechifying about the constitution was what liberals did. And for the GOP to speechify about the constitution, they sure missed the bits about no illegal search and seizure, or the president being bound by the law, or keeping church and state separate. Nope... American constitutional law and precedent does not matter when there is fear to monger and control to be seized. It's judicial activism then.
Further the GOP is the most anti-science party around. Who cares if the HPV vaccine will prevent cervical cancer. IT has something to do with vaginas, and therefore must be evil. Nope, better to punish women. Who cares about evolution being true? Worse, who cares about AGW, there is money from the fossil fuel and auto industry to consider. Who cares that uranium centrifuges are huge things and you need tens of thousands of them to get anywhere. Bush said that Iraq had them and went to war over that (when he HAD to know he was lying) - leaving us spread too thin to take on Iran easily.
And what of the GOP hypocrisy about small government. If it is welfare for banks or corporate interests or to fight a war fought on the basis of lies, then sure, we can always find the cash. If it money for private pork, no problem. If it is money to be filtered to one's business friends and partners nothing is said. But money to give the average American health care or to increase education? NO WAY! Suddenly everyone in the GOP pretends to be some cross between Jefferson and Adam Smith. And yet, the current financial crisis came on after eight years of republican control of the presidency and six year of control of the congress. Sorry, can't blame the Dems for that one.
Almost last but not least, in the course of this phillipic, what of the whole keep your pecker policed wing of the GOP? It seems they are not so good at that themselves, but it sure makes for dignified politics to always go on about. Here's a radical idea for you. What a public official does in their sex life is no-one else's business.
No all of this is standard crap.
The real crap is race baiting, spread of hatred, endless negativity and a the use of language that spreads and ferments revolt. There are the endless revisions to history and science and the most basic of American values to suit a particularly perverse view of the world. Who cares if it is true - we will smear the left by claiming that nazis were really leftists. Who cares if it is true, there are death panels. Who cares if it is true? We will give the false impression that America is no the edge of revolt. No the Dems lie. They all lie, but there are lies and then there are lies. The GOP takes it to a new, repugnant and dangerous level.
I will never vote republican again.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:11:51pm |
re: #226 theheat
See # 209, paragraph II for one possibility.
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filetandrelease Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:12:01pm |
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filetandrelease Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:12:27pm |
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theheat Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:12:31pm |
re: #235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Sorry to hear that. I lost so many there for awhile, I was beginning to think I was the angel of death. Gunshots, hanging, overdose. It's almost always a shocker for the people around them. And so sad. If only that black stuff inside had turned around for them, they could have made it. But who knows what the thing to turn them around would have been.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:12:41pm |
re: #243 filetandrelease
Yeah, he had a meltdown.
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webevintage Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:12:43pm |
re: #221 arethusa
At Obama's very first press conference on Nov. 8, Fox was not allowed to ask a question, while every other network news organization was. This has indeed been going on for a while.
I try to catch all the President's press conferences, big fan that I am, and whenever he does let Major Garrett ask a question it ends up being some Republican talking point.
Maybe he is trying to protect Garrett from making a fool of himself?
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:13:09pm |
re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sucks.
We're finding out now he had been returning items and paying off debts for the week leading up to the incident and shipped his son off to his ex-wife the night before. People here talked to him the day it happened (he did it in the evening) and they had no clue.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:13:27pm |
re: #240 Boyo
People tend to follow news broadcasts that reflect their underlying viewpoint.
So if you are complaining about ratings, you're just complaining about what is driving them, and it's not the fault of the network.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:13:33pm |
re: #208 Kosh's Shadow
That will leave us with lying, propaganda arms of the left.
This is a problem with tying the media and politics as closely as they are; nobody makes money selling entertainment that covers the people in the middle.
See my 245 for a more complete response.
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filetandrelease Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:14:51pm |
re: #250 Killgore Trout
Damn, I really like to read his comments. That is too bad.
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Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:15:10pm |
re: #253 tradewind
People tend to follow news broadcasts that reflect their underlying viewpoint.
So if you are complaining about ratings, you're just complaining about what is driving them, and it's not the fault of the network.
word..
so people watch news shows that sort of agree with them to begin with..like a reinforcement of sorts.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:15:25pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:15:46pm |
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bluecheese Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:15:51pm |
Maddow had an interesting exchange last week about Fox...
It's worth watching.
[Link: www.eyeblast.tv...]
She didn't get what was expected from the liberal she was interviewing.
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Baier Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:16:14pm |
re: #73 HoosierHoops
You studied C++ in High School? Wow..
Most kids start with C for programming.. Most kids can't understand inheritance and external interfaces to Objects in code...
Most kids are happy to print 'Hello World' in C.
Most projects over 100,000 lines of code require C++ for robustness and Stability.. They teach kids this Stuff in High School?
Crap..I'm getting old
I studied Logo in school. I'm still looking for a job as a Logo programmer
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:16:54pm |
re: #256 filetandrelease
There's always the possibility he could come back after a timeout.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:17:54pm |
re: #252 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
We're finding out now he had been returning items and paying off debts for the week leading up to the incident and shipped his son off to his ex-wife the night before. People here talked to him the day it happened (he did it in the evening) and they had no clue.
Thank God he sent the child away, at least. This sounds awful enough, but it could have been a lot worse.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:18:02pm |
Looking to take my mind off some subjects, anyone watching the new Stargate Universe show?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:18:38pm |
re: #240 Boyo
[snip]
...but at the end of the day ratings rule and money cares not for right or left lies or truth.
I think we are saying the same thing.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:18:46pm |
re: #251 webevintage
I try to catch all the President's press conferences, big fan that I am, and whenever he does let Major Garrett ask a question it ends up being some Republican talking point.
Maybe he is trying to protect Garrett from making a fool of himself?
Maybe, but then why did he call on the guy who asked him (on the subject of his first 100 days) something like "What surprised you the most? Enchanted you the most? Humbled you the most?" etc. The CNN guy, IIRC.
Reporters do ask stupid questions, but they also ask question that are in line with the ideology of their news organizations.
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filetandrelease Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:19:22pm |
re: #262 Killgore Trout
I hope so, but suspect his pride may not let him. Men, we can be foolish like that.
I miss ya dude!
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:19:27pm |
re: #254 LudwigVanQuixote
See my 245 for a more complete response.
My problem is (and I've always been an independent; never registered in one party, except for the time between declaring which ballot I want at a primary and unenrolling at the end)
Anyway, my problem is that the Democrats are even more the party that would gut defense, and throw Israel to the Arabs (not that the Bush administrations were that great either) that I cannot support them either.
And if we end up with a one party system, we might not end up with a dictatorship, but we'll end up with no more choice than the citizens of a dictatorship have. Well, which shade of red do you want your candidates? instead of a real choice.
And that is a big problem. I do blame the press, because I don't see how a centrist party can get started if the news won't cover it.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:20:40pm |
re: #264 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Looking to take my mind off some subjects, anyone watching the new Stargate Universe show?
Yes; the pilot was good (except couldn't they come up with some patch for the hole in the shuttle window?) but the 1st episode was so-so.
I'll have to see where it goes.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:20:47pm |
re: #245 LudwigVanQuixote
Who cares if the HPV vaccine will prevent some forms of cervical cancer
FTFY, just for accuracy.
(Not against the HPV vaccine, btw.. it's just too important a subject, and there are other causes of cervical cancer besides HPV which gardasil will not prevent).
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:21:30pm |
A tropical jumping spider that eats mostly plant buds has been identified, a new study says—making it the only known vegetarian out of some 40,000 spider species.
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former_secret_agent Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:21:47pm |
re: #264 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I saw it. Not bad, but much darker than the other stargate series. Still witholding judgment.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:21:47pm |
Sometimes I'm a little Prescient...
#277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian :: Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:03:49 pm
re: #270 iceweasel Love ya Ice. Love ya Buzz. Y'all please engage the ignore button for each other. We don't want to watch you go after each other. Please? It is boring to the rest of us.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:22:57pm |
The down dingers are really going to work today.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:23:35pm |
One more thing on Stargate Universe -
I guess calling it Stargate Voyager would have made it too obvious.
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redshirt Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:23:57pm |
RE: Stargate Universe. Shows great promise, but if they make regular use of that communication device it;s gonna get mighty confusing.
I mean, Lou Diamond Phillips is a regular, but he isn't aboard, but sometimes it looks like he is aboard.
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bluecheese Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:24:03pm |
re: #272 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Heh. That was cool. Thanks for sharing that.
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former_secret_agent Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:25:13pm |
re: #276 Kosh's Shadow
They also ripped Battlestar Galactica, Lost, and a couple of other shows. I read an article about all the references.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:25:26pm |
re: #276 Kosh's Shadow
One more thing on Stargate Universe -
I guess calling it Stargate Voyager would have made it too obvious.
Not a Star Trek fan, so can't say. I like Robert Carlyle and want to see what he can do with the role.
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FoolsMate Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:26:35pm |
re: #275 Charles
You shouldn't take it personally, it's not a big deal.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:27:00pm |
re: #284 FoolsMate
You shouldn't take it personally, it's not a big deal.
You shouldn't assume I take it personally.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:27:49pm |
re: #255 filetandrelease
Never say "Never"
OK, if the Republicans suddenly had an epiphany and ran Powell, while the Dems went utterly insane and re-ran someone like Carter, I would vote GOP.
In a choice between Carter and Huckabee, I would not bother voting. I would simply move.
re: #269 Kosh's Shadow
You make some very good points. Again, I would love nothing more than to see a return to centrism. The reality is taht on most issues, Obama is pretty centrist. I still am not clear as to what his mideast policy is going to be as it takes shape, but the simple fact that he has toned down his rhetoric immensely and not done many of the things I was afraid he would do, gives me some hope.
I think that President Obam is careful and cautious and that he has been having a series of rude awakenings. I would very much like him to take a more aggressive stand against the Iranian nuclear program and to get away from the meme that somehow Jerusalem might belong to someone else. However, I can say without a doubt that I find him a vastly superior president to anyone that the GOP has fielded in the last twenty years.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:27:56pm |
re: #219 HighFlyingCrane
Nonsense. His representative speaks for him, speaks for the presidency. And he speaks like a campaigner, like a partisan shouter. This repellent president disgraces the office just as Nixon did, and for the same reasons.
ZOMG! You mean Obama had people break into the Watergate hotel too?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:28:19pm |
re: #271 tradewind
FTFY, just for accuracy.
(Not against the HPV vaccine, btw.. it's just too important a subject, and there are other causes of cervical cancer besides HPV which gardasil will not prevent).
Well said and point taken.
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The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:28:42pm |
re: #227 talon_262
As I've not seen the particular comments you say that buzz has made, I'll take you at your word until I have a chance to sift through and see exactly what he's said; I don't get into every thread and don't see every post, so I have to plead a bit of ignorance here. Nevertheless, he had done enough to get the stick from Charles (something he doesn't do lightly) and today's episode was apparently the last straw. I'm not excusing him at all, because if he had a history of pulling this sort of crap like I saw in his last posts (which he apparently did), then Charles was right to give him the stick.
I know you don't want to talk about it anymore, so this is all for me on this subject.
Fair enough.
All the posts I mentioned exist. It's beneath me to go digging for them and link them. As you said, Nevertheless, he had done enough to get the stick from Charles (something he doesn't do lightly)
That ought to be enough for anyone.
And now I have seen what his final comment was, and I will not repeat it, but by itself it was disgusting enough to earn anyone a banning on its own.
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filetandrelease Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:28:53pm |
Is the DOW going to break 10k this week?
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filetandrelease Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:30:16pm |
re: #286 LudwigVanQuixote
In a choice between Carter and Huckabee, I would not bother voting. I would simply move.
Costa Rica bound on that one.
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theheat Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:30:37pm |
re: #286 LudwigVanQuixote
In a choice between Carter and Huckabee, I would not bother voting. I would simply move.
I almost choked on my sandwich laughing at that.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:31:43pm |
Crazy Pam retorts...
The enemy plant is up to his stupid pet tricks: Pamela Geller Praises English Defense League, Posts Photo of Nazi Salutes. You have to wonder how much they are paying him.Yes, folks marching to save their country from this century's Nazis are ...Nazis. Get it?
Nick Griffin of the racist BNP states EDL (European Defense League) is a "Zionist" Group
The libel blogger sanctions the evil of this century's nazis by demonizing the free men fighting the scourge of Jew hate, muhammadanism, sharia law and Islamic supremacism. There were no nazi salutes, just lizard libelous lies.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:31:50pm |
re: #155 Sharmuta
Charles? Can't the frickin' dingers be disabled until the person reaches a comment level?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:33:17pm |
re: #290 filetandrelease
Is the DOW going to break 10k this week?
There will be some earnings economic news released later next week. Anything could happen but I'll guess that we won't be reliably over 10,000 for another month or so.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:34:26pm |
Despite their unusual meals, these spiders still exhibit some more traditional hunting behavior. "They're like miniature cats," Meehan says. "They literally stalk and hunt the plant," perhaps lending validity to B. kiplingi's feline namesake. They also use their quick movements to evade would-be ant attackers.
The plant-based diet does, however, seem to have changed this spider's interactions with its neighbors. Individuals can live in close proximity to one another like other species of social spiders, but in other species, the spiders are assumed to be cooperating in the hunt (a behavior that, researchers hypothesize, can lead to more sophisticated social organizations). But in the case of B. kiplingi, in which food is simply harvested from the plant, no cooperation is needed, raising the question of why they live in such close quarters. Meehan proposes that the social behavior might be "to reduce local resource competition and reduce aggression," which would be important in instances where some plants are covered with thousands of these spiders.
As for the plants that the spiders feed on, most don't appear to be under severe stress by the arachnid attacks. Some acacias in Mexico, however, which have heavier loads of spiders might be suffering from decreased ant protection, Meehan notes. With all of those spiders harvesting the Beltian bodies for themselves, there are fewer for the ant larvae and thus fewer ants. This sort of instance raises questions about stabilization of the spider-plant-ant system. "Instead of eating the resource once removed," like the ants, Meehan says, the spiders "go straight to the source." The eating pattern allows more spiders to subsist on a plant than otherwise could get by eating the ant larvae directly.
Regardless of how these spiders came to be primarily plant-eaters, their continued study will likely illuminate a rare species—one that Meehan calls "more extraordinary than a flying pig"—and the system the produced them. "Co-evolution can have cascading effects," Meehan says. "It can serve as evolutionary steppingstones for third parties that intercept them." And for this oddly adapted spider, it appears to have been a boon.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:34:38pm |
re: #295 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Charles? Can't the frickin' dingers be disabled until the person reaches a comment level?
I think that's a good idea, maybe something like 50-100 comments before you can post spinoffs or rate.
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theheat Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:35:51pm |
re: #294 Killgore Trout
There were no nazi salutes, just lizard libelous lies.
Oh, that's rich. Or, should I say reich.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:36:29pm |
re: #299 Killgore Trout
I was thinking a hundred.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:37:37pm |
re: #286 LudwigVanQuixote
OK, if the Republicans suddenly had an epiphany and ran Powell, while the Dems went utterly insane and re-ran someone like Carter, I would vote GOP.
In a choice between Carter and Huckabee, I would not bother voting. I would simply move.
re: #269 Kosh's Shadow
You make some very good points. Again, I would love nothing more than to see a return to centrism. The reality is taht on most issues, Obama is pretty centrist. I still am not clear as to what his mideast policy is going to be as it takes shape, but the simple fact that he has toned down his rhetoric immensely and not done many of the things I was afraid he would do, gives me some hope.
I think that President Obam is careful and cautious and that he has been having a series of rude awakenings. I would very much like him to take a more aggressive stand against the Iranian nuclear program and to get away from the meme that somehow Jerusalem might belong to someone else. However, I can say without a doubt that I find him a vastly superior president to anyone that the GOP has fielded in the last twenty years.
I wouldn't go so far with Obama, as I think he is pushing for changes that will ruin health care, and government intervention in companies is usually a bad idea.
At least he is pusing the Arabs for something, but I don't know whether he'll realize he's going to have to push the Palestinians, or tell them accept Israel, or we will consider you to be the reason there is no peace.
Of course, on the latter, Rice and Bush should have stopped the Annapolis conference as soon as the Palis refused to recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state, but they didn't. They also didn't push Israel very hard, and it remains to be seen how hard Obama will push. I think had Bush pushed Israel to "stop settlements" as hard as Obama is, Olmert would have caved.
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filetandrelease Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:38:19pm |
re: #286 LudwigVanQuixote
It seems to early for putting Obama ahead of past presidents of either party. I hope he does some great things, he is trying, but he is at a point where things could go really bad in the economy, or Afganistan, the middle east. Or good. The day of judgement still lies ahead on where he gets to sit at the table of presidents.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:39:44pm |
re: #294 Killgore Trout
Jeez, the shrieker can't even alliterate properly.
"Libelous lizard lies" would flow more easily off the tongue.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:40:02pm |
re: #302 Morganfrost
The way to effectively deal with Obama is to provide a viable, positive alternative, not scream like demons and point to trivial bits of nonsense like nirth certifikats and art decisions.
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Gus Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:40:26pm |
re: #294 Killgore Trout
Crazy Pam retorts...
European Defense League? She can't even keep her story straight -- it's the English Defense League. As far as her "getting it" one may as well talk with a dining room table. That post in question is pathetic.
Truly, how can anyone manage to keep up that level of hysteria 24/7?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:40:40pm |
Comments whining about the topics will be deleted, as ALWAYS.
Commenters who can't resist being insulting jerks will lose their accounts.
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jaunte Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:40:59pm |
re: #302 Morganfrost
If you don't like the editorial viewpoint here, there are a lot of places to go read more shrieking complaints. It would be good to support a sane opposition.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:41:18pm |
re: #302 Morganfrost
What, did you just wake from a long sleep, or just go on the wagon?
The problem is that the same entertainers have had great success in diverting little minds from what is really important.
You seem like a good example.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:41:44pm |
re: #302 Morganfrost
"This is not the echo chamber you are looking for."
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sagehen Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:42:50pm |
re: #264 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Looking to take my mind off some subjects, anyone watching the new Stargate Universe show?
I'm not thrilled with it; Dr. Rush is Baltar/Smith, Chloe whines, Scott is cardboard, Greer is unstable, Eli is all right but not enough to carry the franchise, and those communication stones ruin the whole "stranded far away" concept. Plot holes and coincidences that can only be fan-wanked with Ascended Ex Machina, I've never liked that device.
I'm not saying that just because I'm bitter about losing my John and Rodney show (although I am).
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:43:00pm |
re: #294 Killgore Trout
Crazy Pam retorts...
Yeah -- now she's defending the English Defense League! Classic stupidity from the shrieker.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:43:19pm |
(And she can't even get their name right.)
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katemaclaren Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:43:56pm |
As a former journalist and editor, all I have to say is what our old managing editor told us: don't pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel.
This reminds me of the Nixon years and the vendetta against the NYTimes. Bad move.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:43:57pm |
re: #312 Naso Tang
What, did you just wake from a long sleep, or just go on the wagon?
The problem is that the same entertainers have had great success in diverting little minds from what is really important.
You seem like a good example.
Quoted you so your post wouldn't disappear.
Never quote a stick comment.
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Irish Rose Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:44:38pm |
re: #121 Charles
One too many misogynistic comments. The last one was especially bad, and I won't repeat it.
I would have downdinging it if I had seen it.
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Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:45:09pm |
re: #317 katemaclaren
As a former journalist and editor, all I have to say is what our old managing editor told us: don't pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel.
This reminds me of the Nixon years and the vendetta against the NYTimes. Bad move.
what about whats going on with fox news reminds you of the Nixon years?
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Achilles Tang Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:45:10pm |
Oh well, I'm too quick today Charles.
Here's my bit without the quote. Feel free to delete the above.
re: #302 Morganfrost
What, did you just wake from a long sleep, or just go on the wagon?
The problem is that the same entertainers have had great success in diverting little minds from what is really important.
You seem like a good example.
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former_secret_agent Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:45:45pm |
re: #314 sagehen
I have to admit I miss Rodney and John, too. I go on Youtube at least once a week to listen to Johnny Cash's Solitary Man on the Stargate Atlantis episode "Vegas".
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:46:13pm |
re: #309 Gus 802
European Defense League? She can't even keep her story straight -- it's the English Defense League.
SPLITTERS!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:46:59pm |
Here's another Nazi Salute...
EDL Nazi Salutes in Manchester
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:47:37pm |
re: #38 in excess
Such objectivity from this women!
No complaints about MSNBC!?!Can't the administration rise above and DO THEIR JOB!?!
i don't think an MSNBC Prime Time host called her boss a "Racist" who hates "white culture".
Just a minor technical point.
Also, i don't think MSNBC has been actively promoting oppositionalist rallies. Or promoting deathbooks or promoting conspiracies about gay teen sex or terrorist fist jabbing or hypocracy over czars or attributing all of the deficit to Obama or the entire unemployment rate to Obama... (etc)
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soxfan4life Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:48:55pm |
re: #296 Killgore Trout
There will be some earnings economic news released later next week. Anything could happen but I'll guess that we won't be reliably over 10,000 for another month or so.
What about the news about other countries wanting to dump the dollar? That can't be good news for a struggling economy.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:51:01pm |
re: #306 bosforus
All all around the world same song
It's just the same old song
Loved Nothing But Trouble...and Digital Underground.
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Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:51:44pm |
re: #171 talon_262
Not to blame you for buzz's apparent meltdown, but y'all have been going at each other like two bantam roosters in a pit, on almost any topic I've seen you both comment in as of late.
Buzz decided to make it personal, stepped over the line, and got bit in the ass...it's a damn shame, because I liked him. I just hope he doesn't take leave of all his senses and migrate to the Deuce, CC, and any of the other stalker sites...I'd like for him to apologize to you and Charles (and anyone else involved) and be able to return (though I'm not holding out much hope of that).
My experience of debating with buzzsaw is that he stooped to the personal level every time as soon as he realised he was losing - which was most of the time. This was far from a one-off incident. He would make outrageous comments which he would then deny having made once they were deleted, or accuse his opponent of misinterpreting no matter how blatantly obvious his meaning was. Here is another instance in which he is caught out in such a blatant lie by Charles:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
and bs monkey's pathetic, uttterly disingenuous response here :
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Notice how when caught out, he blames his opponent for the vile names he used-- exactly as he did today, again. And as ever, he would never concede that he had crossed the line or apologise to the person or even to Charles, instead it seems that more lies and more snideness were the only tactics he saw fit to employ.
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:51:52pm |
Did someone register with the name "Deleted," or what?
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theheat Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:52:26pm |
re: #324 Killgore Trout
You're mistaken. Obviously, they're pointing at Superman.
"Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird, it's a plane, it's..."
I'm grasping at straws, here.
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sagehen Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:52:43pm |
re: #276 Kosh's Shadow
One more thing on Stargate Universe -
I guess calling it Stargate Voyager would have made it too obvious.
Much of the fandom calls it Stargate 90210.
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:52:48pm |
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Earth56 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:53:01pm |
re: #330 Ben Hur
Did someone register with the name "Deleted," or what?
Maybe thats really Teds Dele
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:53:20pm |
re: #326 soxfan4life
What about the news about other countries wanting to dump the dollar? That can't be good news for a struggling economy.
That's a two edge sword for other countries, it happened before in 1995, and US exports become cheaper and more competitive and imports become more expensive, so in that sense it's good for the economy because people will find US products to be a better value.
Sure they'll diversify their monetary holdings similar to 95, but they run the risk of having them get bitten like it did last time.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:53:27pm |
re: #330 Ben Hur
Did someone register with the name "Deleted," or what?
Seems like that sometimes, doesn't it?
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Gus Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:53:40pm |
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Paul Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:53:53pm |
This phony outrage will only increase FOX's audience.
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katemaclaren Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:54:47pm |
re: #320 Boyo
The White House singling that network out for particular attack--and boycotting the news organization. That will exacerbate the WH's problems, believe me. Nothing like a scrap in the schoolyard to get attention. Better to keep it quiet and classy. Show your thin skin and bingo--there's a very inviting news target on your ass.
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Sco Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:54:51pm |
Fox may lean to the right; but IMO they generally cover the news fairly; and pursue stories that the apologist Obama media will not.
Would ACORN have been exposed if not for Fox ?
Rev. Wright ?
Bill Ayers ?
Van Jones ?
Charlie Rangel's misdeeds ?
Jack Murtha ?
On the whole they do a good job and their ratings are fantastic for a reason. Nobody trusts CNN (the most trusted name in News) or the networks or the NY Times, unless you wish to live in an echo chamber (yeah ain't Obama awesome; yeah Republicans are evil; blah blah blah).
I am an independent, not a Republican. I lean right; I lean conserative; I don't care for Obama; I dislike politicians and Congress. Hate Pelosi, Reid, Rangel, Dodd, and Frank and what they stand for. They are destroying America. The Republicans are less worse; but they are leaderless.
Ron Paul .. he is a wacko. Charles Johnson has covered him well.
I watch Fox. I like it. I am not apologetic.
Glenn Beck ... don't watch him much; he is over the top some times. But sometimes he is on point.
Hannity ... also over the top. Perhaps the only true Fox host who can be called aligned with the Republicans. But so what ? He is a commentator, not a political hack.
Is the White House complaining about Stephanopolus on ABC ?
Carville on CNN ? Brazile on CNN? Begala ? These are DNC or former Democratic politicos.
Fox will take both sides. The others won't.
Demonizing Fox is simply stupid ... for the White House or the Dems.
It proves that they only represent half the country. That Obama is not a unifying figure.
The Dems were Hyper partisan during the Bush years; and now that they are in charge and massively f-inng up, nothing has changed about that.
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Irish Rose Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:55:12pm |
re: #329 Jimmah
My experience of debating with buzzsaw is that he stooped to the personal level every time as soon as he realised he was losing - which was most of the time. This was far from a one-off incident. He would make outrageous comments which he would then deny having made once they were deleted, or accuse his opponent of misinterpreting no matter how blatantly obvious his meaning was. Here is another instance in which he is caught out in such a blatant lie by Charles:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
and bs monkey's pathetic, uttterly disingenuous response here :
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Notice how when caught out, he blames his opponent for the vile names he used-- exactly as he did today, again. And as ever, he would never concede that he had crossed the line or apologise to the person or even to Charles, instead it seems that more lies and more snideness were the only tactics he saw fit to employ.
I agree with you re: buzz, but he was not the only one behaving abominably over there.
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AK-47% Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:55:18pm |
When Nixon had trouble with the press, it was because the institution was doing its job of investigative reporting too well and getting at some things he wished to keep covered up.
And when Bush was having trouble with investigative reporters from CBS, he simply employed Karl Rove to demolish Dan Rather's career in one of the most brilliantly evil disinformation campaigns in recent history.
Fox pursues suprious and insubstantial claims in a manner that that has nothing to do with decent journalism.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:55:22pm |
re: #338 Paul
Don't you think they are pissed at Fox at the W.H.? Or do you refer to the MSM echo?
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soxfan4life Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:55:44pm |
re: #335 bloodstar
Thanks, although the increase in dollars for oil will continue to hold us back I think.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:56:16pm |
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:56:23pm |
This administration has learned from the last.
Don't stay above the fray.
I would've LOVED for the Bush WH to answer its critics.
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katemaclaren Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:56:32pm |
re: #342 ralphieboy
Wow. Karl Rove did that? I thought it was Charles Johnson!
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:56:43pm |
re: #342 ralphieboy
Are you buying into the idea the forged docs were a right wing setup? Those documents got outed right here at LGF.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:57:55pm |
re: #342 ralphieboy
And when Bush was having trouble with investigative reporters from CBS, he simply employed Karl Rove to demolish Dan Rather's career in one of the most brilliantly evil disinformation campaigns in recent history.
Are you aware that you're at the website of one of the people who exposed those phony documents?
I assure you, I've never spoken to Karl Rove.
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Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:58:35pm |
re: #339 katemaclaren
The White House singling that network out for particular attack--and boycotting the news organization. That will exacerbate the WH's problems, believe me. Nothing like a scrap in the schoolyard to get attention. Better to keep it quiet and classy. Show your thin skin and bingo--there's a very inviting news target on your ass.
what incentive does our president have for going on fox when they pull stuff like this
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soxfan4life Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:58:42pm |
re: #351 Charles
Are you aware that you're at the website of one of the people who exposed those phony documents?
I assure you, I've never spoken to Karl Rove.
I thought you were Karl Rove.///
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Gus Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:59:21pm |
re: #345 SanFranciscoZionist
I like the categories. "Nazi scum". "Not Nazi scum". Just in case the viewer needed any clarification.
I'm looking through these images now. Damn, I wouldn't even let these guys unclog my toilet. They all look the same (or rather similar) which is weird. This image is of a prototypical skinhead-Nazi EDL supporter.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:59:50pm |
re: #340 Sco
Fox will take both sides?
The others won't?
Could you point me to a single Fox report that was favorable to a democrat or a democratic policy?
If you were to watch Fox news, as your only news, you would believe that AGW is false, that there is a scientific controversy about evolution, that we found WMD in Iraq. You would also believe that Obama might not have really been born in America - that there was a controversy about that, that death panels were a real problem and that the GOP actually had sound financial policies.
Nope. Fox is a full on propaganda arm not for just the GOP, but the more insane black helicopter fearing right and the whacko religious right.
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katemaclaren Mon, Oct 12, 2009 2:59:57pm |
re: #342 ralphieboy
I don't agree with you. I remember when someone called into the office and reported a pterodactyl at their bird feeder. Did we go check it out--damn straight we did! Turned out to be a wild turkey, but we still checked it out! ;-)
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:00:14pm |
re: #340 Sco
A particularly telling moment was Charlie Gibson's reply ' ACORN? Can't say I really know anything about that' (not a direct quote, but close). That a news anchor of a major network would admit that he had no knowledge of a brewing scandal like the ACORN fiasco must have been both comforting to the WH press office, and disconcerting to anyone who had already seen extensive coverage of the situation.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:00:36pm |
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katemaclaren Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:01:01pm |
re: #352 Boyo
I'm just saying he should go on Fox. SHOULD. Repeat: Should. Why not?
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Gus Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:01:06pm |
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:01:41pm |
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enoughalready Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:02:34pm |
re: #340 Sco
Fox will take both sides. The others won't.
I'm sorry? What? Oh, it's the land of make believe where FOX is fair and balanced and all the others are part of a huge and secret liberal conspiracy out to get everyone. Right. Sorry.
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katemaclaren Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:02:56pm |
re: #355 LudwigVanQuixote
Sancho here, Lud. Watch Fox, like you would MSNBC or CNN. Keeps you tuned in--and that's best. Machiavelli would certainly have advised that course of action.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:03:00pm |
re: #344 soxfan4life
Thanks, although the increase in dollars for oil will continue to hold us back I think.
Point well taken, though if it spurs us to innovate away from oil, and dries up funding for the middle east countries, I think it could be a blessing in disguise.
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The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:03:05pm |
re: #341 Irish Rose
I agree with you re: buzz, but he was not the only one behaving abominably over there.
I'd downdinged you but I've taken it back and changed it to an upding.
I agree with you.
All the people who were defending Buzz were behaving abominably, just like him.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:03:07pm |
re: #342 ralphieboy
And when Bush was having trouble with investigative reporters from CBS, he simply employed Karl Rove to demolish Dan Rather's career in one of the most brilliantly evil disinformation campaigns in recent history.
You've been here since Apr 29, 2007 and you write that crap in this house?
You missed the memo- literally.
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Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:03:09pm |
re: #360 katemaclaren
I'm just saying he should go on Fox. SHOULD. Repeat: Should. Why not?
you didnt watch that video I linked did you...
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:03:17pm |
re: #353 soxfan4life
I thought you were Karl Rove.///
I used to be, but I took a shower and now I feel much better.
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Danny Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:03:39pm |
re: #342 ralphieboy
And when Bush was having trouble with investigative reporters from CBS, he simply employed Karl Rove to demolish Dan Rather's career in one of the most brilliantly evil disinformation campaigns in recent history.
Behold, the briliantly evil throbbing memo...
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RogueOne Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:03:41pm |
re: #286 LudwigVanQuixote
Centrist? Obama passed the center about a trillion dollars ago and how about we wait until he actually accomplishes anything other than spending our economy into ruin before we bestow "best president ever!" on him.
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katemaclaren Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:04:34pm |
Well, guys. Gotta run. One of those days when I've only come up for a bit of fresh air--thanks!
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:05:06pm |
Ben, you know better than to do that thing you did with the thing.
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enoughalready Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:05:10pm |
re: #351 Charles
I assure you, I've never spoken to Karl Rove.
How can you be so sure? He moves in mysterious ways, he's the man of a thousand voices and a million faces (all of them slightly flabby however funnily enough). Maybe he was right behind you in the checkout line, subliminally telling you... I dunno. Stuff.
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katemaclaren Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:05:32pm |
re: #368 Boyo
wouldn't make a bit of difference. Hold your friends close--your enemies closer. Good advice for The Prince--and The Anointed One, too.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:05:40pm |
re: #342 ralphieboy
I dunno. I wouldn't call Rather's disinformation campaign "brilliantly evil". I mean, Rather and CBS got busted pimping that forged document pretty quickly. I'd say Rather was being cravenly dishonest, not brilliantly evil.
/wait, what?
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:06:24pm |
re: #355 LudwigVanQuixote
Bill O'Reilly (not a fan in general, btw) regularly gives Obama attaboys for various decisions and policies, and regularly takes heat for that support in viewer email.
Fox has been positive in its coverage of Obama's continuing support for troops in Iraq and AF, and has given him credit for standing up to the far left in his own party on occasion.
By numbers, they also have more balancing liberal commentary and interviews alongside their conservative POV than either of the other two cable nets.
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jaunte Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:06:24pm |
Maybe you [deleted] critics should let the host and the increasing number of readers decide what's interesting. But that would make sense.
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:06:34pm |
re: #376 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Ben, you know better than to do that thing you did with the thing.
My bad.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:06:38pm |
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FoolsMate Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:06:58pm |
Except for Special Report and REdEye, Fox is basically unwatchable. It really is a caricature of itself and exhibits obvious biases. No doubt about it. It does however have some value as an alternative POV to the liberal bent on every other news network.
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katemaclaren Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:07:11pm |
...really going this time. Watch out for incoming, Charles. Looks like one of those days.
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:07:19pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:07:44pm |
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Quilly Mammoth Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:08:28pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:09:27pm |
re: #390 Quilly Mammoth
I think I understand but could you explain?
Someone who rarely, if ever, comments, but feels the need to be a prick and downding every reasonable post.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:09:43pm |
There must be some very potent wacky dust in the air today.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:10:18pm |
re: #392 Charles
There must be some very potent wacky dust in the air today.
I blame Columbus Day.
/
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:10:36pm |
The guy's really an amazing photographer: Choose Wisely
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enoughalready Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:10:52pm |
re: #392 Charles
There must be some very potent wacky dust in the air today.
Could be the flu. You never know. A bizarre mutated strain. Who knows.
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RogueOne Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:11:07pm |
What's up with all of the deletes? It's happening too fast for me to catch.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:11:51pm |
re: #396 RogueOne
What's up with all of the deletes? It's happening too fast for me to catch.
Someone's sacred ox being gored.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:12:02pm |
re: #393 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I blame Columbus Day.
/
I thought they renamed that Oppression Day.
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:12:34pm |
Chores and errands, errands and chores.
Catch ya later, Lizards.
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:12:48pm |
American is First Woman to Win Nobel Prize in Economics
STOCKHOLM — Elinor Ostrom became the first woman to win a Nobel Prize in economics on Monday, honored along with fellow American Oliver Williamson for analyzing economic governance — the rules by which people exercise authority in companies and economic systems.
Ostrom was also the fifth woman to win a Nobel award this year — a record for the prestigious honors.
It was also an exceptionally strong year for the United States, with 11 American citizens — some of them with dual nationality — among the 13 Nobel winners, including President Barack Obama, who won the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday.
Ostrom, 76, and Williamson, 77, shared the $1.4 million economics prize for work that "advanced economic governance research from the fringe to the forefront of scientific attention," the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences said.
Ostrom, a political scientist at Indiana University, showed how common resources — forests, fisheries, oil fields or grazing lands — can be managed successfully by the people who use them, rather than by governments or private companies.
Interesting.
AND she's allowed on a motorcycle!
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FoolsMate Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:13:14pm |
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Ben Hur Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:13:16pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:13:55pm |
re: #392 Charles
There must be some very potent wacky dust in the air today.
I think I saw a full moon yesterday.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:13:58pm |
re: #402 FoolsMate
Gov't workers have the day off...
Which is why my first day back from vacation has been quiet and event free, as planned.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:14:05pm |
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:14:25pm |
re: #401 Ben Hur
Well obviously she's not a member of Congress or is the President of the United States.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:15:16pm |
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captdiggs Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:15:17pm |
It's demeaning to the office of the Presidency to have a Presidential communications representative whining about a news network.
I remember all the left wing nuts on MSNBC, code pinkers, truthers, impeach Bushers, Bush lied, No war for Israel , no war for oil, and I don't remember a diatribe about it from the Bush communications director. Nor do I remember CNN "fact checking" comedy bits on Bush.
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Big Steve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:15:35pm |
re: #401 Ben Hur
And this pretty much makes it an American year for the real Nobels
Physics - 3 Americans
Chemistry - 2 American, 1 Israeli
Medicine - 3 Americans
Literature - 1 Romanian
Economics - 1 American
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:16:37pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:17:09pm |
re: #411 captdiggs
It's demeaning to the office of the Presidency to have a Presidential communications representative whining about a news network.
I didn't hear any "whining." I think she made some very good points about Fox News' blatant bias. She didn't go far enough, in my opinion.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:17:44pm |
re: #411 captdiggs
It's demeaning to the office of the Presidency to have a Presidential communications representative whining about a news network.
I remember all the left wing nuts on MSNBC, code pinkers, truthers, impeach Bushers, Bush lied, No war for Israel , no war for oil, and I don't remember a diatribe about it from the Bush communications director. Nor do I remember CNN "fact checking" comedy bits on Bush.
I would have been happy to see such a reaction from the Bush White House. "News" shows that broadcast distortions and outright lies, whether with a partisan bias or not, need to be called out on it.
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:17:44pm |
re: #392 Charles
There must be some very potent wacky dust in the air today.
Nutbar action alerts went out apparently.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:17:46pm |
re: #411 captdiggs
It's demeaning to the office of the Presidency to have a Presidential communications representative whining about a news network.
I remember all the left wing nuts on MSNBC, code pinkers, truthers, impeach Bushers, Bush lied, No war for Israel , no war for oil, and I don't remember a diatribe about it from the Bush communications director. Nor do I remember CNN "fact checking" comedy bits on Bush.
Sorry, but I'm the type of person who wouldn't ignore outright lies, no matter who spouted them.
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FoolsMate Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:18:49pm |
re: #412 Big Steve
And this pretty much makes it an American year for the real Nobels
Physics - 3 Americans
Chemistry - 2 American, 1 Israeli
Medicine - 3 Americans
Literature - 1 Romanian
Economics - 1 American
You might find this interesting...Nobel prizes dominated by "Ice People".
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enoughalready Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:18:50pm |
re: #411 captdiggs
It's demeaning to the office of the Presidency to have a Presidential communications representative whining about a news network.
I remember all the left wing nuts on MSNBC, code pinkers, truthers, impeach Bushers, Bush lied, No war for Israel , no war for oil, and I don't remember a diatribe about it from the Bush communications director. Nor do I remember CNN "fact checking" comedy bits on Bush.
1: Whining? Dude.
2: It could well be argued that the people who worked with press relations in the Bush administration weren't doing their damn job.
Is she wrong? Isn't that the core of the issue?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:19:20pm |
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Irish Rose Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:19:51pm |
re: #366 iceweasel
I'd downdinged you but I've taken it back and changed it to an upding.
I agree with you.
All the people who were defending Buzz were behaving abominably, just like him.
Ice, you know i luv ya.
Buzz's comment was disgusting. But your totally overreacted over there, and IMHO you owe Yooper an apology. All he did was try to make peace and he certainly didn't deserve to be attacked for it. This kind of back and forth arguing benefits no one... it's incredibly ugly, it ruins the enjoyment of this place and it drags these threads down into the sewer of uncivil discourse.
All I'm gonna say.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:20:07pm |
re: #420 enoughalready
So tell me which administrations used to actively go against the press or a news outlet then. Honest question.
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Irish Rose Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:20:45pm |
re: #392 Charles
There must be some very potent wacky dust in the air today.
Some people need to log the hell off, and go have sex or something.
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Big Steve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:21:06pm |
re: #414 Charles
I didn't hear any "whining." I think she made some very good points about Fox News' blatant bias. She didn't go far enough, in my opinion.
The Obama administration, even when he was a candidate, and now in office, has over and over refused to let negative information about him just sit out there. They consistently attack what they consider to be negative or misleading information. I just think he is a smart politician in the Internet age and realizes how quickly information can flow.
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Racer X Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:21:31pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:21:50pm |
re: #418 Varek Raith
Sorry, but I'm the type of person who wouldn't ignore outright lies, no matter who spouted them.
So, you were all over Air America, MSNBC, CNN and so on, tearing them a new ass-hole during the 8 years of the Bush administration?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:21:54pm |
re: #424 Irish Rose
Some people need to log the hell off, and go have sex or something.
Well, shit. My wife just said it would have to be "something".
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:21:56pm |
re: #340 Sco
Fox may lean to the right; but IMO they generally cover the news fairly; and pursue stories that the apologist Obama media will not.
Bill Ayers ?
Jack Murtha ?
Bill Ayers - which aspects of the Bill Ayers as "former bomber now professor" story did fox uncover using cutting edge investigative techniques - and which stock clips did they just run under an Obama banner for political effect?
Murtha - which fox news story about Murtha?...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:22:16pm |
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FrogMarch Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:22:26pm |
re: #342 ralphieboy
When Nixon had trouble with the press, it was because the institution was doing its job of investigative reporting too well and getting at some things he wished to keep covered up.
And when Bush was having trouble with investigative reporters from CBS, he simply employed Karl Rove to demolish Dan Rather's career in one of the most brilliantly evil disinformation campaigns in recent history.
...
How did Karl Rove force Mapes and Rather to use forged documents? wait - don't answer. Mind-control plot!
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Digital Display Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:22:45pm |
re: #424 Irish Rose
Some people need to log the hell off, and go have ( Hot Smoking ) sex or something.
Never go half measures when it comes to Sex Irish..
*wink*
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enoughalready Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:22:49pm |
re: #419 FoolsMate
You might find this interesting...Nobel prizes dominated by "Ice People".
Ice people? Sun people? What is this racist crap?
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:22:54pm |
re: #424 Irish Rose
Some people need to log the hell off, and go have sex or something.
"or something" is probably the only available choice for many.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:23:10pm |
re: #428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, shit. My wife just said it would have to be "something".
Magic 8 Ball says, "try again later".
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:23:12pm |
re: #427 Walter L. Newton
So, you were all over Air America, MSNBC, CNN and so on, tearing them a new ass-hole during the 8 years of the Bush administration?
You bet your ass I was. Why do you assume I wasn't? I can't tolerate liars of any stripe.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:23:57pm |
re: #432 FrogMarch
How did Karl Rove force Mapes and Rather to use forged documents? wait - don't answer. Mind-control plot!
Is Ralphieboy aware that Charles was part of that plot too... I MAJOR part... ///
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enoughalready Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:24:02pm |
re: #423 TheMatrix31
So tell me which administrations used to actively go against the press or a news outlet then. Honest question.
Does it matter? Media has changed dramatically over the last 25 years. I think everyone, including the communications staff of the WH and the journos themselves have been struggling to keep up. Your point?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:24:42pm |
re: #437 Varek Raith
You bet your ass I was. Why do you assume I wasn't? I can't tolerate liars of any stripe.
Just asking, you answered. Assume what, I assumed I asked you a question, see how that works?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:24:52pm |
re: #436 Sharmuta
Magic 8 Ball says, "fat chance".
Fixed with more appropriate language that better fits my stage in life.
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FrogMarch Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:25:20pm |
re: #438 Walter L. Newton
Is Ralphieboy aware that Charles was part of that plot too... I MAJOR part... ///
Since Fox news sux - All of a sudden those krazy left-wing conspiracies must be true! Karl Rove and Charles! in. on. it.
///
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:25:30pm |
re: #439 enoughalready
My point is that it's juvenile and petty to go after a private news outlet when you're the head of the most powerful country in the world. Reflects very poorly.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:25:44pm |
re: #437 Varek Raith
You bet your ass I was. Why do you assume I wasn't? I can't tolerate liars of any stripe.
And, on another note, good for you, I'm looking forward to your fair and balanced inquires into the tripe that comes out of the press on a daily basis.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:25:49pm |
re: #61 countrockulot
What bothers me about Fox News is that we seem to, as a society, have given up on the idea of objective reality. A recent example being that while most observers report roughly 100,000 at the recent D.C. tea party protests, an exclusive Fox News viewer might believe there were millions of people there. I am fine with "spin" to a certain extent, and do believe that the mainstream media tends to spin things pro-Democrat oftentimes. However, the answer can't be to just shove our fingers in our ears, shout "left wing media bias" and make up facts as we see fit. I want my political beliefs to be based on reality, not my conception of reality tailored to jibe with my political beliefs.
The linguist George Lakoff once said that people vote their identities rather than their interests. He meant it as an indictment of the Great Unwashed, and seemed to think that the Herd of Independent Minds was immune, but I think there's something to his little aphorism.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:25:59pm |
re: #440 Walter L. Newton
Just asking, you answered. Assume what, I assumed I asked you a question, see how that works?
Yes, I do. I apologize for my snark.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:26:27pm |
re: #444 TheMatrix31
My point is that it's juvenile and petty to go after a private news outlet when you're the head of the most powerful country in the world. Reflects very poorly.
Those who can... do!
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:27:01pm |
re: #402 FoolsMate
Gov't workers have the day off...
The holidays should be renamed: Banks and Government Holiday #1, Banks and Government Holiday #2, Banks and Government Holiday #3, etc...
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enoughalready Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:27:14pm |
re: #444 TheMatrix31
My point is that it's juvenile and petty to go after a private news outlet when you're the head of the most powerful country in the world. Reflects very poorly.
I think that they probably aren't really in need of advice on PR strategy from you (or me for that matter). If anything they've shown that they know that better than pretty much anyone (Yes, I am looking at you Karl Rove, you magnificent flabby bastard).
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:27:16pm |
re: #449 Walter L. Newton
Yeah but those who could before, didn't.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:27:37pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:27:45pm |
re: #443 Sharmuta
Awww. {finger}
Nah... getting divorce in a year. What the hell. Gave it 27 years to try and make it work.
C'est le vie.
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captdiggs Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:28:15pm |
re: #414 Charles
Whining is in the ear of the listener.
It's still demeaning to the office. The Obama administration has a very thin skin.
I don't watch FOX news' fluff programs. I do watch their straight news reports, their financial shows, and Chris Wallace's political interviews.
All are excellent, imo. Those programs represent a questioning loyal opposition with none of the craziness.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:28:34pm |
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Irish Rose Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:28:35pm |
re: #455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nah... getting divorce in a year. What the hell. Gave it 27 years to try and make it work.
C'est le vie.
You know I sympathize.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:28:45pm |
The WH press office may want to think back to the campaign and remember that when HRC started to protest and contrast the media's love for Obama with the relatively cold shoulder she received, her numbers really started to tank.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:28:49pm |
re: #450 The Sanity Inspector
The holidays should be renamed: Banks and Government Holiday #1, Banks and Government Holiday #2, Banks and Government Holiday #3, etc...
The Gubmint should never "take a day off" while the masses have to work.
IMO
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:28:50pm |
re: #444 TheMatrix31
My point is that it's juvenile and petty to go after a private news outlet when you're the head of the most powerful country in the world. Reflects very poorly.
it's modern media management. don't take crap lying down. What, honestly, is the alternative in dealing with an outlet who's prime-timer called *the head of the most powerful country in the world* a racist...?
Can you legitimise that outfit there after?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:29:05pm |
re: #455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nah... getting divorce in a year. What the hell. Gave it 27 years to try and make it work.
C'est le vie.
And after 27 years of really good sex, you know you can't blame the failure on that! Must be your choice in cologne.
/
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:29:43pm |
re: #455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Really? Hon, I didn't know. Can I get you a piece of cake?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:29:54pm |
re: #462 Walter L. Newton
Cologne? Eau de fat-boy?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:29:58pm |
Starting now, registered users will not be able to rate comments, entries, or links unless they have posted at least 50 comments.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:30:16pm |
re: #460 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The Gubmint should never "take a day off" while the masses have to work.
IMO
I wish the Gubmint (read congress) would take MORE days off
Cost me less in the long run!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:30:26pm |
re: #456 captdiggs
She was being asked direct questions. Just because fox is on tv and people watch it doesn't mean the White House should pander to them.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:30:30pm |
re: #230 filetandrelease
What is a good news station to watch these days? Seriously, does anyone here get their news from TV? An honest question, it seems to me they all pretty much suck and are biased, opinionated and skip real news for trivial crap like did ya know Michael Jacksons' glove is for sale?
O'Reilly or Oberman, pick your idiot.
You still can't do much better that PBS's The News Hour. You can argue with it, but there isn't much better out there.
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Gus Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:30:34pm |
re: #457 Killgore Trout
Throughout those Nazi salutes not once do you see any of the surrounding mutants flinching.
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Irish Rose Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:30:46pm |
re: #465 Charles
Starting now, registered users will not be able to rate comments, entries, or links unless they have posted at least 50 comments.
Good move Charles, I was hoping you'd do that.
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Racer X Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:30:51pm |
re: #455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nah... getting divorce in a year. What the hell. Gave it 27 years to try and make it work.
C'est le vie.
In a year?
Does she know?
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theheat Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:30:55pm |
re: #420 enoughalready
Maybe if the POTUS didn't suffer in righteous silence while they were railroaded by the MSM, they wouldn't be perceived as complete idiot losers before the end of their term.
I can't blame Obama for running damage control, to some extent. All he has to do is look at how this affected Bush, and know he doesn't want to wind up on the same rung of public opinion. Deflecting some of it now might pay off in the long run.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:30:55pm |
re: #461 wozzablog
I stopped legitimizing media outlets a long time ago.
I don't give a shit. After all the vile crap spewed (and continued to be spewed) for so long before (hell, not just news outlets either) and not being acknowledged, there is no reason for the head of the country or anyone who works for him to directly call anyone out.
There's something to be said for staying above the fray.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:31:03pm |
re: #462 Walter L. Newton
And after 27 years of really good sex, you know you can't blame the failure on that! Must be your choice in cologne.
/
What, you mean Hai Karate isn't a good "cologne"?
///
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RogueOne Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:31:05pm |
re: #414 Charles
Preaching to his base has his poll numbers hovering around 50% and he's hemorrhaging independents. The Dems are about to lose the governorship of Virginia and, as of right now, New Jersey. Losing Jersey would be disastrous. He needs to halt the campaign mode and learn to pick his fights. His administration should look like they're staying above the fray and let the paid hacks do what they get paid to do.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:31:07pm |
re: #463 Sharmuta
I like cake.
I haven't talked about it. Some shit to take care of first, then I am out like a fat kid at dodgeball.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:31:10pm |
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:31:12pm |
re: #465 Charles
Starting now, registered users will not be able to rate comments, entries, or links unless they have posted at least 50 comments.
Looking forward to a flurry of nonsense posts from Lizards we havent seen before followed by silence.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:31:17pm |
re: #465 Charles
Wow, that's gonna flush some freaky comments into the system. Batten the hatches.
Good idea, btw.
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The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:31:17pm |
re: #422 Irish Rose
Ice, you know i luv ya.
Buzz's comment was disgusting. But your totally overreacted over there, and IMHO you owe Yooper an apology. All he did was try to make peace and he certainly didn't deserve to be attacked for it. This kind of back and forth arguing benefits no one... it's incredibly ugly, it ruins the enjoyment of this place and it drags these threads down into the sewer of uncivil discourse.
All I'm gonna say.
Sorry, no one 'attacked' Yooper.
Someone put the discourse in the sewer. Wasn't me. You have even admitted you didn't see comments BSM made which are deleted.
You don't have the requisite knowledge to make an objective determination here, and you are factually wrong that I "attacked" Yooper. On the contrary, he made a false equivalency between BSM's vile behaviour and my behaviour-- and the falsity of his stance is borne out by the fact that BSM had comments deleted, and now is banned, and none of mine were and I am not banned.
Unless you think Charles has made a mistake? In which case perhaps you should take it up with him.
BTW, happy belated birthday and I'm very glad you're recovering from your bout with pneumonia. I love ya even when we disagree-- cheers, iDub
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:31:21pm |
re: #235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
We just got the word today that the coworker who died last week was confirmed a suicide. "Intraoral gun shot wound to the head" was the terminology used to describe it. We still can't believe he did it.
My sympathies to all concerned. A lonely way to die.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:31:32pm |
re: #465 Charles
Starting now, registered users will not be able to rate comments, entries, or links unless they have posted at least 50 comments.
hallelujah!
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Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:31:42pm |
re: #422 Irish Rose
Ice, you know i luv ya.
Buzz's comment was disgusting. But your totally overreacted over there, and IMHO you owe Yooper an apology. All he did was try to make peace and he certainly didn't deserve to be attacked for it. This kind of back and forth arguing benefits no one... it's incredibly ugly, it ruins the enjoyment of this place and it drags these threads down into the sewer of uncivil discourse.
All I'm gonna say.
No IR, she did not 'totally overreact', and if anything you owe iceweasel an apology for that suggestion. When someone tries to 'make peace' between a thug and the target of his attacks by saying "hey guys this has gone too far - you are both being out of line here" - that is just stupid, and offensive to the person who is on the recieving end of the attacks, and to anyone with fair judgement who is looking on. I thought you might have understood that.
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:31:42pm |
re: #460 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The Gubmint should never "take a day off" while the masses have to work.
IMO
Congress should have 355 days off a year IMO. Get together for 2 weeks after the SOTU address. Do the budget, deal with a couple of issues, and then go the fuck home and leave us be until next year. If they cant deal with something in 2 weeks, they probably shouldn't be dealing with it in the first place.
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Dreader1962 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:31:43pm |
re: #465 Charles
Starting now, registered users will not be able to rate comments, entries, or links unless they have posted at least 50 comments.
Can't blame you for trying to get a handle on lurking downdingers, but I guess we have to be prepared for comment spamming now, so these obsessive types can do their rating dance.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:32:19pm |
re: #486 Dreader1962
Can't blame you for trying to get a handle on lurking downdingers, but I guess we have to be prepared for comment spamming now, so these obsessive types can do their rating dance.
Comment spamming really isn't a good idea at LGF.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:32:30pm |
re: #465 Charles
Starting now, registered users will not be able to rate comments, entries, or links unless they have posted at least 50 comments.
Good call. Any way to add a filter that if you haven't POSTED in "X" number of days the same applies? Getting downdinged is one thing, but when they don't post so you can engage with them ,, welll,,,gggrrr
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:33:10pm |
re: #477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I like cake.
I haven't talked about it. Some shit to take care of first, then I am out like a fat kid at dodgeball.
{fbv}
sorry!
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:33:11pm |
re: #482 The Sanity Inspector
My sympathies to all concerned. A lonely way to die.
Actually, he went to his girlfriend, shot her at least twice in the leg and foot before turning the gun on himself. She's expected to make a full recovery.
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FoolsMate Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:33:21pm |
What is the point of having updings without the downdings? Viva downdings.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:33:30pm |
re: #461 wozzablog
it's modern media management. don't take crap lying down. What, honestly, is the alternative in dealing with an outlet who's prime-timer called *the head of the most powerful country in the world* a racist...?
Can you legitimise that outfit there after?
Sure you can, right, wrong or indifferent, they got the numbers to show for it. They are a private business. The White House can snark all they want, and certainly have the right to do it, and Fox (or who ever) can go right on and bank the big bucks.
Don't you understand fair and balance has nothing to do with the bottom line, in any news organization. It's the money.
And guess what, it's nothing new and it's not going to change (unless we have a 1984 moment). I posted this way up thread, and I will repeat it, this qoute is from a book and the character in the book is talking about the press in London, circa 1714, with so many new papers, 18 to be exact, so much party politics... party malice...
"He looked forward to his daily ink-toilette, immersion in bile, a splash of calumny on the face and a dab of slander behind each ear, and he was a new man" (Neal Stephenson's "The System of the World")
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Cheers.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:33:41pm |
re: #473 theheat
He's got people in his office trying to reprise the rapid response team that Clinton employed, but with less success.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:34:00pm |
re: #434 enoughalready
Ice people? Sun people? What is this racist crap?
It's some crap categorization that was dreamed up by Leonard Jeffries. The Politically Correct Dictionary illustrated it with a picture of Mother Teresa representing the 'ice people', and Idi Amin representing the 'sun people'. Which I think pretty much sums the whole dingbat concept up.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:34:11pm |
re: #479 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Looking forward to a flurry of nonsense posts from Lizards we havent seen before followed by silence.
Maybe it should be 50 posts that aren't deleted; each deletion reduces the count of posts.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:34:13pm |
re: #465 Charles
Starting now, registered users will not be able to rate comments, entries, or links unless they have posted at least 50 comments.
This has been a long time coming...tired of seeing obvious socks, trolls, and other assorted bozos screw up posters' karma just because they could, while not adding little, if anything, to the conversation.
Thanks, Charles...
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captdiggs Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:34:24pm |
re: #467 Killgore Trout
She was being asked direct questions. Just because fox is on tv and people watch it doesn't mean the White House should pander to them.
I saw a lot of BS passed off as "news" during the Bush years on other networks...is all I'm saying.
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enoughalready Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:34:30pm |
re: #487 Charles
Comment spamming really isn't a good idea at LGF.
Meta moderation time soon perhaps? For a certain subset of users (i.e. the elusive 1000+ karma points). Or maybe that's already there. I wouldn't know.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:34:34pm |
re: #491 FoolsMate
What is the point of having updings without the downdings? Viva downdings.
People don't troll comments looking for things to up-ding. People who only down-ding are not helpful and should not have their voice heard.
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RogueOne Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:34:40pm |
re: #465 Charles
How do you know how many comments you've made?
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:34:46pm |
re: #456 captdiggs
their financial shows?. I watch Bloomberg and CNBC for my money news and FNC's business block for kicks and giggles. It's fairly disposable. Nothing their Business block has come up with has been on the level of David Faber on his worst day.
Wallace - his barely judged Veterans Affairs Deathbook hour with the author of a rival book as main guest... was interesting to say the least - whacko - but interesting.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:34:47pm |
re: #461 wozzablog
it's modern media management. don't take crap lying down. What, honestly, is the alternative in dealing with an outlet who's prime-timer called *the head of the most powerful country in the world* a racist...?
Can you legitimise that outfit there after?
Since when is 5:00 Central Time prime time?
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:34:57pm |
re: #496 talon_262
PIMF...meant "while adding little, if anything..."
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:35:00pm |
re: #491 FoolsMate
What is the point of having updings without the downdings? Viva downdings.
Some people only downding, never comment, and do it when they think no one is looking. They shouldn't be here period.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:35:05pm |
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FoolsMate Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:35:18pm |
re: #500 RogueOne
Click on your name, or anyone's name. Or maybe it's the symbol. try it.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:35:19pm |
re: #465 Charles
Starting now, registered users will not be able to rate comments, entries, or links unless they have posted at least 50 comments.
I feel a great disturbance in the Force, as if a great many stalkers cried out in terror.
Bravo!
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Irish Rose Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:35:33pm |
I'm going to log off before I say something that I'll regret.
Later.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:35:35pm |
re: #491 FoolsMate
What is the point of having updings without the downdings? Viva downdings.
Some people have a habit of downdinging everything or everyone without every offering a reason or voicing an opinion of their own. If they wish to offer a reason why they disagree, let them say it, not simply click and run.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:35:59pm |
re: #465 Charles
Starting now, registered users will not be able to rate comments, entries, or links unless they have posted at least 50 comments.
fair enough :-)
*will voluntarilly not ding again until hits 50 comments*
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:36:11pm |
re: #491 FoolsMate
What is the point of having updings without the downdings? Viva downdings.
Swing and a miss ,,, STRIKE ONE
Way to totally miss the point!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:36:14pm |
re: #494 SanFranciscoZionist
Ever read Guns, Germs, and Steel?
Does a fantastic job of showing how stuff like climate and natural resources stifled or pushed progress.
| 514 |
Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:36:42pm |
Dear Fat Bastard-
I'm sending someone over with a cake for you.
Love, Sharmuta
P.S. This is also for you
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:37:01pm |
re: #490 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Actually, he went to his girlfriend, shot her at least twice in the leg and foot before turning the gun on himself. She's expected to make a full recovery.
That's good news at least.
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theheat Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:37:05pm |
re: #477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, for crying out loud. Are your pants off again?
//
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FoolsMate Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:37:37pm |
re: #504 ArchangelMichael
I downding all the time, not usually in comments, just for topics or links I don't like. Definitely not trying to hide the ball.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:37:53pm |
re: #497 captdiggs
Exactly. Did Olberman ever interview Bush? Why would Bush even bother showing up to something like that? Our president shouldn't be expected to demean himself and the country by being interviewed by a nut like Glenn Beck. Fox News has chosen this direction and are destroying their own credibility. It's nobody else's fault.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:38:10pm |
re: #500 RogueOne
How do you know how many comments you've made?
each time you post one, add 1 to the total from just before that post!
/
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:38:17pm |
re: #342 ralphieboy
When Nixon had trouble with the press, it was because the institution was doing its job of investigative reporting too well and getting at some things he wished to keep covered up.
And when Bush was having trouble with investigative reporters from CBS, he simply employed Karl Rove to demolish Dan Rather's career in one of the most brilliantly evil disinformation campaigns in recent history.
Not quite. A Bush hater cooked up some forged documents, and like-minded Bush-hating CBS had such a hard-on for their impending scoop that they couldn't be bothered to vet them. They made the mistake of posting them on the internet, and the power of aggregate knowledge took it from there. Charles, that freeper in Atlanta, and IIRC Allah exposed the forgeries in no time.
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jaunte Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:38:46pm |
re: #512 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
One history of Europe I've read began by pointing out how easy it was to travel all around and inside the continent by water; more so than anywhere else on earth.
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RogueOne Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:38:55pm |
re: #505 reine.de.tout
Thanks. I figured it out right after I posted but I didn't wanna post another comment to mention it. Partly because I didn't want people to think I was "comment spamming" but mostly because I felt a little special for not realizing it sooner.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:39:08pm |
re: #434 enoughalready
Ice people? Sun people? What is this racist crap?
It's Derbyshire. I think that's the best answer you get.
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Digital Display Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:39:21pm |
re: #511 sattv4u2
Swing and a miss ,,, STRIKE ONE
Way to totally miss the point!
LOL
OK ..I'm now standing up now from falling sown laughing...hehehe
I see a fast ball coming on the corner...OK..That was funny Stop it Satt!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:39:36pm |
re: #521 jaunte
That's in there too. It is fascinating.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:39:48pm |
re: #502 MandyManners
Since when is 5:00 Central Time prime time?
fair do's. However - not the point people should be running with, imho ;-)
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:40:30pm |
re: #520 The Sanity Inspector
Not quite. A Bush hater cooked up some forged documents, and like-minded Bush-hating CBS had such a hard-on for their impending scoop that they couldn't be bothered to vet them. They made the mistake of posting them on the internet, and the power of aggregate knowledge took it from there. Charles, that freeper in Atlanta, and IIRC Allah exposed the forgeries in no time.
That those idiots at CBS actually thought they could get away with that is just mind numbingly arrogant.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:40:49pm |
re: #527 wozzablog
fair do's. However - not the point people should be running with, imho ;-)
Speaking of points, don't run with scissors either!
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FoolsMate Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:41:06pm |
re: #518 Killgore Trout
Why couldn't he go back on with chris wallace? the blanket ban is childish.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:42:40pm |
re: #522 RogueOne
Thanks. I figured it out right after I posted but I didn't wanna post another comment to mention it. Partly because I didn't want people to think I was "comment spamming" but mostly because I felt a little special for not realizing it sooner.
Relax.
If people think you are comment spamming, they'll let you know.
Your question was a fairly common one.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:43:26pm |
re: #518 Killgore Trout
Exactly. Did Olberman ever interview Bush? Why would Bush even bother showing up to something like that? Our president shouldn't be expected to demean himself and the country by being interviewed by a nut like Glenn Beck. Fox News has chosen this direction and are destroying their own credibility. It's nobody else's fault.
Did Olbermann ever request an intreview? Bush went on OTHER NBC shows (as well as ABC, and CBS)
| 533 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:43:29pm |
re: #500 RogueOne
Click on your profile, that question was your #14
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:43:39pm |
re: #520 The Sanity Inspector
Not quite. A Bush hater cooked up some forged documents, and like-minded Bush-hating CBS had such a hard-on for their impending scoop that they couldn't be bothered to vet them. They made the mistake of posting them on the internet, and the power of aggregate knowledge took it from there. Charles, that freeper in Atlanta, and IIRC Allah exposed the forgeries in no time.
And I missed all the fun because I was with a loved one in the hospital that whole week. The TV was on the room, with some cable news magazine playing, and I perked up when I heard them say:
"...blah, blah, blah, Little Green Footballs."
"Little Green Footballs?"
"Little Green Footballs!"
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Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:43:48pm |
super noob question here:
I look everywhere for ways to add a nifty pic to my profile..cant find it..anyone help please?
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theheat Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:43:51pm |
re: #518 Killgore Trout
You know Olbermann would have popped a vein as soon as Bush sat down next to him. Bush wouldn't have had to say word one.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:43:55pm |
re: #533 Rightwingconspirator
Click on your profile, that question was your #14
The little green football beside your name (to the left)
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:43:58pm |
Here's an idea.. maybe Fox is paying the WH!
(yes sarc... but you'd think...)
Fox’s senior vice president for programming, Bill Shine, says of the criticism from the White House, “Every time they do it, our ratings go up.” Mr. Obama’s first year is on track to be the Fox News Channel’s highest rated.
[Link: www.mediaite.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:44:34pm |
re: #522 RogueOne
Thanks. I figured it out right after I posted but I didn't wanna post another comment to mention it. Partly because I didn't want people to think I was "comment spamming" but mostly because I felt a little special for not realizing it sooner.
Comment spamming again, huh?
//
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:44:42pm |
re: #535 Boyo
super noob question here:
I look everywhere for ways to add a nifty pic to my profile..cant find it..anyone help please?
upper right corner, in the "logged in" box - go to my account. There will be instructions.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:44:50pm |
re: #535 Boyo
super noob question here:
I look everywhere for ways to add a nifty pic to my profile..cant find it..anyone help please?
Upper left sidebar in the "Logged In" box -- the "My Account" link.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:45:17pm |
re: #540 reine.de.tout
upper right corner, in the "logged in" box - go to my account. There will be instructions.
Oops!
upper left
(hangs head in shame)
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sergeant major Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:45:25pm |
now that I've listened to her it reminds me of the teacher in the Charlie brown Specials: Mwan mawan wan wan wan.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:45:30pm |
re: #535 Boyo
super noob question here:
I look everywhere for ways to add a nifty pic to my profile..cant find it..anyone help please?
Email me the avatar you want to use along with 25 dollars deposited in my Paypal account and you'll have the picture posted in about 30 minutes.
//
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:45:43pm |
re: #535 Boyo
super noob question here:
I look everywhere for ways to add a nifty pic to my profile..cant find it..anyone help please?
Log into "My Account" on the Log In menu and you'll find a link with directions. Or you can click your own avatar for your profile, there is also a button there for "My Account".
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Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:46:06pm |
re: #545 Walter L. Newton
Email me the avatar you want to use along with 25 dollars deposited in my Paypal account and you'll have the picture posted in about 30 minutes.
//
lgf noob not life noob :)
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:46:09pm |
re: #545 Walter L. Newton
Email me the avatar you want to use along with 25 dollars deposited in my Paypal account and you'll have the picture posted in about 30 minutes.
//
I need to learn to get a promise of 25 updings before I answer any questions.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:46:14pm |
re: #535 Boyo
I look everywhere for ways to add a nifty pic to my profile..cant find it..anyone help please?
Good luck with that Boyo. Speaking of "Noob", I changed mine the other day for the 10th time or so, still took me a few days to re-figure it out.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:46:25pm |
re: #529 sattv4u2
Speaking of points, don't run with scissors either!
being not the sharpest knife in the drawer - my scissors i also need to keep blunt and have done for some considerable amount of time.
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former_secret_agent Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:46:42pm |
re: #545 Walter L. Newton
Only $25? What a deal. Someone tried to tell me it cost $50 last week.
:)
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:46:53pm |
re: #434 enoughalready
Ice people? Sun people? What is this racist crap?
It's a spoof on something Leonard Jeffries, a Black Studies professor at City University Of New York, maintains: Africans are peaceful "sun people" and Europeans are violent "ice people".
Now that you know the source, still think it's racist?
| 554 |
bluecheese Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:47:08pm |
how do you chance the LGF time to a different zone?
| 555 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:47:31pm |
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RogueOne Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:47:40pm |
re: #539 Walter L. Newton
See? A few minutes ago I could have given you a little green + for that, now I'll have to do it the old fashion way.
/+1
//Would lol again
| 557 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:47:47pm |
| 558 |
enoughalready Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:48:15pm |
What makes anyone think that the current administration minds that FOX News gets good ratings? Hell, if I was them I'd make sure they had the best possible ratings and that their hosts went nuts seven bajilion times per day. No better way of discrediting the GOP than letting FOX News do the job for them.
| 559 |
Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:48:19pm |
re: #518 Killgore Trout
Exactly. Did Olberman ever interview Bush? Why would Bush even bother showing up to something like that? Our president shouldn't be expected to demean himself and the country by being interviewed by a nut like Glenn Beck. Fox News has chosen this direction and are destroying their own credibility. It's nobody else's fault.
Agreed. Beck is about 2000 places below Ali G in the list of people the president should give an interview to.
| 560 |
wrenchwench Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:48:58pm |
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bluecheese Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:49:05pm |
| 562 |
Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:49:13pm |
re: #556 RogueOne
See? A few minutes ago I could have given you a little green + for that, now I'll have to do it the old fashion way.
/+1
//Would lol again
You just need to be more talkative. ;)
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:49:26pm |
re: #556 RogueOne
See? A few minutes ago I could have given you a little green + for that, now I'll have to do it the old fashion way.
/+1
//Would lol again
But I can up ding you. See.
| 564 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:49:26pm |
| 565 |
Racer X Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:49:30pm |
re: #554 bluecheese
how do you chance the LGF time to a different zone?
We're all on Left Coast Lizard time here.
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Digital Display Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:49:34pm |
re: #551 former_secret_agent
Only $25? What a deal. Someone tried to tell me it cost $50 last week.
:)
It's only 5 bucks if you post a picture of Megan Fox.. Post a Pic of the Hoopster..It's free
/Hey it's free PR.. Don't judge me!
*wink*
| 567 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:50:22pm |
| 568 |
former_secret_agent Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:50:35pm |
re: #566 HoosierHoops
Posting your picture? You should pay me for that.
| 569 |
enoughalready Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:50:59pm |
re: #553 The Sanity Inspector
It's a spoof on something Leonard Jeffries, a Black Studies professor at City University Of New York, maintains: Africans are peaceful "sun people" and Europeans are violent "ice people".
Now that you know the source, still think it's racist?
Yes. Your point being?
| 570 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:51:01pm |
re: #566 HoosierHoops
Megan Fox is teh hawt.
She is also teh TWELVE!
| 571 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:51:06pm |
Has the rationale for the dings ever been a topic? I saw the original post from when they got started, but never saw much until today about it. When I first registered I thought it was about rudeness or F bombs or some such. I see it seems to penalize for more than just that sort of thing. More about opinions/positions seen as lame or trollish.
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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:51:10pm |
re: #553 The Sanity Inspector
It's a spoof on something Leonard Jeffries, a Black Studies professor at City University Of New York, maintains: Africans are peaceful "sun people" and Europeans are violent "ice people".
Now that you know the source, still think it's racist?
I saw usage of what Jefferies wrote, I did not see "spoof."
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realismrox Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:51:15pm |
re: #465 Charles
I'll take that as a reason to post more often ... I spend at least an hour day reading here, but I usually find everything I've thought of has already been said by somebody.
| 574 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:52:02pm |
re: #573 realismrox
Come on in, the water's fine. (A little warm around Walter tho...)
| 575 |
bluecheese Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:52:41pm |
I must admit, coming over from orangeland, that I prefer the threaded/nested comment format.
But all in all, LGF has a very nice user interface.
| 576 |
theheat Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:52:43pm |
| 577 |
jaunte Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:53:02pm |
re: #573 realismrox
everything I've thought of has already been said by somebody.
That's ok. People tend to forget the same things over and over again, too.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:54:41pm |
re: #574 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Come on in, the water's fine. (A little warm around Walter tho...)
That's the natural warm glow from my charming personality... jerk.
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:55:03pm |
re: #575 bluecheese
I must admit, coming over from orangeland, that I prefer the threaded/nested comment format.
But all in all, LGF has a very nice user interface.
Threaded is easier to follow a couple people going back and forth; however, it's a herculean task to find new posts.
| 582 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:55:18pm |
re: #573 realismrox
I'll take that as a reason to post more often ... I spend at least an hour day reading here, but I usually find everything I've thought of has already been said by somebody.
just repackage it and blurt it out! :)
| 583 |
Racer X Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:56:04pm |
re: #571 Rightwingconspirator
Has the rationale for the dings ever been a topic? I saw the original post from when they got started, but never saw much until today about it. When I first registered I thought it was about rudeness or F bombs or some such. I see it seems to penalize for more than just that sort of thing. More about opinions/positions seen as lame or trollish.
Each poster ha their own rationale. Some will down ding you no matter what you post - they are still mad at you for something you posted last week month.
Me - I rarely downding - and if I do I comment why.
I give updings if you make me laugh, if I strongly agree, or if I like a link.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:56:08pm |
re: #573 realismrox
I'll take that as a reason to post more often ... I spend at least an hour day reading here, but I usually find everything I've thought of has already been said by somebody.
And every so often a troll appears! Dogpile!!
| 585 |
Digital Display Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:57:14pm |
re: #573 realismrox
I'll take that as a reason to post more often ... I spend at least an hour day reading here, but I usually find everything I've thought of has already been said by somebody.
I'll help you out of this dilemma.. Every day post I hate the LA Lakers at least once ...After 50 posts you could down ding the Pope and I'd cover your back..
*wink*
| 586 |
Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:58:10pm |
re: #584 Varek Raith
Uh, I'm not referring to you in that comment. :)
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realismrox Mon, Oct 12, 2009 3:59:41pm |
re: #575 bluecheese
I must admit, coming over from orangeland, that I prefer the threaded/nested comment format.
But all in all, LGF has a very nice user interface.
The problem with the nested thing at DailyKos is that it seems to encourage flame wars. Here the nastiness seems to drift away after a couple hundred comments.
| 588 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:00:56pm |
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FoolsMate Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:01:01pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:01:21pm |
re: #574 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Come on in, the water's fine. (A little warm around Walter tho...)
and bubbly!
| 591 |
enoughalready Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:02:08pm |
No, I need to get rid of this damn flu. Off to bed.
| 592 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:02:12pm |
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Western Mind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:03:05pm |
re: #2 iceweasel
You are a propaganda arm of the Democrat party. Glenn Beck is an opinion program with no deception about it. You can see the most informative news in America in daytime Foxnews channel viewing, but in the late afternoon to evening it is all opinion. Like your post. Of course Anita Dunn is by very definition a propaganda arm of the Democrat party, so how seriously can one take her comments. What I wonder, though, is if she can tell the difference between news and opinon. (Obama praise = "fact", Obama criticism = "opinion" or "racism"?)
| 594 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:03:25pm |
re: #592 Walter L. Newton
You know, if I didn't love you so much... wait... I don't... jerk.
SMOOOCCCHHH
| 595 |
bluecheese Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:04:25pm |
re: #587 realismrox
sure.
Their community moderation helps to counteract that though..
On balance it's better I think.
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realismrox Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:04:26pm |
re: #593 Western Mind
No, sorry ... Beck presents his crazy opinions as fact when it comes to conspiracy theories about Obama.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:04:43pm |
re: #593 Western Mind
You are a propaganda arm of the Democrat party. Glenn Beck is an opinion program with no deception about it. You can see the most informative news in America in daytime Foxnews channel viewing, but in the late afternoon to evening it is all opinion. Like your post. Of course Anita Dunn is by very definition a propaganda arm of the Democrat party, so how seriously can one take her comments. What I wonder, though, is if she can tell the difference between news and opinon. (Obama praise = "fact", Obama criticism = "opinion" or "racism"?)
Huh?
re: #592 Walter L. Newton
You know, if I didn't love you so much... wait... I don't... jerk.
When I was a lurker, I always enjoyed Walter's posts. :-)
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:05:33pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:05:48pm |
re: #597 Varek Raith
When I was a lurker, I always enjoyed Walter's posts. :-)
And now you changed your mind... :)
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jaunte Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:05:58pm |
re: #593 Western Mind
Glenn Beck is an opinion program with no deception about it.
Except that it's described simply as opinion and not 'insanely ludricrous exaggerations'.
| 601 |
Sam N Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:06:12pm |
re: #593 Western Mind
I really can't tell if this post is serious or not.
| 602 |
Western Mind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:06:31pm |
re: #596 realismrox
I happened to see Beck tonight and he repeated that his show is pure editorial, so you seem to have a non-issue.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:06:49pm |
| 604 |
freetoken Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:07:11pm |
re: #602 Western Mind
I happened to see Beck tonight and he repeated that his show is pure editorial, so you seem to have a non-issue.
Yes, editorials full of deception.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:07:23pm |
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:07:33pm |
Here's teh crazy, left-side version. Made worse by the blasphemy he utters as he compares himself to ...Bob Dylan...??
So I wonder which, if any outlets will be pushing this story tonight? Fox (if they mention it) may be the only way you'd ever know.
[Link: thehill.com...]
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Digital Display Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:08:37pm |
re: #593 Western Mind
You are a propaganda arm of the Democrat party. Glenn Beck is an opinion program with no deception about it. You can see the most informative news in America in daytime Foxnews channel viewing, but in the late afternoon to evening it is all opinion. Like your post. Of course Anita Dunn is by very definition a propaganda arm of the Democrat party, so how seriously can one take her comments. What I wonder, though, is if she can tell the difference between news and opinon. (Obama praise = "fact", Obama criticism = "opinion" or "racism"?)
Oh please...Beck would be better off wearing a clown outfit with a big red nose on TV...
Next time you see the grown ups in charge.. Call me...
/anybody have a tissue? I feel like crying..Please!
| 608 |
ArchangelMichael Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:08:38pm |
re: #593 Western Mind
You are a propaganda arm of the Democrat party. Glenn Beck is an opinion program with no deception about it. You can see the most informative news in America in daytime Foxnews channel viewing, but in the late afternoon to evening it is all opinion. Like your post. Of course Anita Dunn is by very definition a propaganda arm of the Democrat party, so how seriously can one take her comments. What I wonder, though, is if she can tell the difference between news and opinon. (Obama praise = "fact", Obama criticism = "opinion" or "racism"?)
Seriously, roflcopter is all I can say about this.
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freetoken Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:08:55pm |
re: #603 sattv4u2
Bet on YES
Reminds me of the "Monty Hall" problem in probability (ans: always take the chance at another door.)
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:08:56pm |
re: #604 freetoken
Editorials are by their very nature prone to deception, as they are... ummm, editorials. Opinion. Op/Ed.
Not Op/Fact.
Neither the right nor the left holds the patent.
| 611 |
Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:09:55pm |
| 612 |
freetoken Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:10:20pm |
re: #610 tradewind
Disagree. It is quite reasonable to write editorials as a means of argument without resorting to deception.
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albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:10:33pm |
re: #593 Western Mind
You are a propaganda arm of the Democrat party. Glenn Beck is an opinion program with no deception about it. You can see the most informative news in America in daytime Foxnews channel viewing, but in the late afternoon to evening it is all opinion. Like your post. Of course Anita Dunn is by very definition a propaganda arm of the Democrat party, so how seriously can one take her comments. What I wonder, though, is if she can tell the difference between news and opinon. (Obama praise = "fact", Obama criticism = "opinion" or "racism"?)
yes, and I'm the smartest person here and everybody loves me without question
| 614 |
Western Mind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:10:37pm |
re: #604 freetoken
The point is obvious, but you missed it: Beck is an opinion program. He is entitled to his, you to yours, me to mine.
Foxnews on the other hand broadcasts the most informative and objective news. Anita Dunn is full of boloney.
Beck on the other hand is oipinion, and you can disagree with him. Be my guest.
| 615 |
realismrox Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:10:51pm |
re: #602 Western Mind
I watch Beck more often than I'd like to admit, he doesn't always say it's opinion. When he gets out the blackboard and starts writing the conspiracy theories up, he doesn't write opinion on it.
| 616 |
Liberal Classic Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:10:53pm |
re: #608 ArchangelMichael
Seriously, roflcopter is all I can say about this.
My first reaction was lolwut?
| 617 |
bluecheese Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:11:10pm |
re: #593 Western Mind
Of course Anita Dunn is by very definition a propaganda arm of the Democrat party, so how seriously can one take her comments. What I wonder, though, is if she can tell the difference between news and opinon. (Obama praise = "fact", Obama criticism = "opinion" or "racism"?)
It's difficult to take seriously the opinion of someone who works in democrat party into their statement, like it's an epithet.
Grow up.
| 618 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:11:26pm |
re: #583 Racer X
Thanks. I think its working, but of course that is the hosts call. Those major down dings often foretell a short life of a post. or account :) My first couple posts got me in negative territory as a noob, but I felt it was more disagreement than any rancor. "Devils Advocate" mode can do that.
| 619 |
Racer X Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:11:36pm |
re: #602 Western Mind
I happened to see Beck tonight and he repeated that his show is pure editorial, so you seem to have a non-issue.
And plus he kept saying "no offense" all the time, so that made it all right.
/
| 620 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:11:55pm |
re: #612 freetoken
Disagree. It is quite reasonable to write editorials as a means of argument without resorting to deception.
VDH does it nicely...laced with lots of facts as well...just an example
| 621 |
freetoken Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:12:06pm |
So, who's going to play the bookie on the over/under on this one?
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:12:09pm |
re: #602 Western Mind
I happened to see Beck tonight and he repeated that his show is pure editorial, so you seem to have a non-issue.
So it was just "editorial" when Beck directly accused Van Jones of being a Troofer, without any evidence at all.
I see. So it's OK if he makes shit up and presents it as fact in an attempt at character assassination, as long as he calls it "editorial content" when he gets called on it.
Of all the things that Jones could legitimately be criticized for - and there is a long, long list - Beck decided to ignore every single one and instead focused on an outright lie.
That's a problem. It's even more of a problem when he does it on a daily basis. And he deserves to be called out on it.
| 624 |
Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:12:56pm |
| 625 |
Western Mind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:13:06pm |
re: #615 realismrox
The sole purpose of Beck's show is editorial. That is the type of show. Same with Anita Dunn--did she say this time her comments were editorial? (ans: no)
| 626 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:13:37pm |
re: #614 Western Mind
You haven't commented for two and a half years. What woke you up?
| 627 |
tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:13:40pm |
re: #612 freetoken
It is certainly reasonable. It is also not a standard that either side unfailingly upholds .
By the way... it is possible to disagree with a political position or party or person without inevitably accusing them of lying. Give it a try.
Sometimes a disagreement is just a disagreement.
| 628 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:14:46pm |
| 629 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:15:26pm |
re: #619 Racer X
And plus he kept saying "no offense" all the time, so that made it all right.
/
it's SARCASM!
| 630 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:15:33pm |
re: #128 talon_262
And then he lied about what he call iceweasel (because the offending comment had been nuked, no one could see what was actually said)...Charles called him out and brought the hammer down.
/damnit, WTF is wrong with people...you get upset with someone, just step away for a bit and chill
It's just 1s and 0s, folks. Remember, if not for LGF, we'd probably never even be aware of each other's existence.
| 631 |
Boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:15:48pm |
Charles, thank you for the site you provide and for the way you appear to stand for truth without bias toward left or right.
I once (some years back) let my opinion of this site be based on the ugly comments left here,it left a cartoonish view in mind of what people on the right were like,I was foolish.Ive since read how it was harder for you to clean house back then.When I came back here I came half way expecting the same ugliness but you and the intelligent posters have corrected my view of this place.Its now been almost two months since I "came back" and I cant get enough,Im here everyday now even if its just to read and not logged in. Thank you once again and keep up the good work.
peace,
Boyo
| 632 |
Liberal Classic Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:15:55pm |
re: #618 Rightwingconspirator
Thanks. I think its working, but of course that is the hosts call. Those major down dings often foretell a short life of a post. or account :) My first couple posts got me in negative territory as a noob, but I felt it was more disagreement than any rancor. "Devils Advocate" mode can do that.
Well, you're not wrong that it can be hard being a noob. My first couple of threads people dropped the f-bomb on me. Since then I've been trying to keep a karma ratio greater than unity, but the more I post the more rapidly I move into fractional territory. ;)
| 633 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:16:07pm |
re: #612 freetoken
Disagree. It is quite reasonable to write editorials as a means of argument without resorting to deception.
True, but the 'writers' (by nature) will present the facts as they see it, which often is deceptive
Writing an OpEd peice isn't adding 2 plus 2. There is no IS answer. It's also how the readers own slant percieves it
| 634 |
tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:16:32pm |
re: #622 SixDegrees
Re Jones... whether or not you take him at his word that he did not understand the petition, or whatever the excuse was, you cannot say that there was ' no evidence at all'. His name was on the petition, and Beck was not the only pundit/host who repeated it. I heard the same thing on CNN and some other networks, after he stepped down.
| 635 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:16:43pm |
re: #614 Western Mind
The point is obvious, but you missed it: Beck is an opinion program. He is entitled to his, you to yours, me to mine.
Foxnews on the other hand broadcasts the most informative and objective news. Anita Dunn is full of boloney.
Beck on the other hand is oipinion, and you can disagree with him. Be my guest.
Beck is not even giving opinion. On a nightly basis, he make definitive statements, pronouncements and presents stories as if they are solid news items. He's like 60 minutes on drugs.
An opinion is a belief that may or may not be backed up with evidence, but which cannot be proved with that evidence. It is normally a subjective statement and may be the result of an emotion or an interpretation of facts; people may draw opposing opinions from the same facts. (wiki).
Beck is always trying to prove something with the information he is imparting on his show.
Just the fact that he has been correct about certain subjects proves that he is propounding more than just opinion.
Otherwise you are saying that he is not contributing anything to anything and it's a worthless hour of useless opinion.
You can't have it both ways.
| 636 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:16:50pm |
Ohhh. I get it.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 637 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:16:51pm |
re: #600 jaunte
Except that it's described simply as opinion and not 'insanely ludricrous exaggerations'.
by a man who has absolutely no control over his emotions for even the smallest things.
(I cannot abide the weeping. Just can't stand it).
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Western Mind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:17:08pm |
re: #626 Charles
Hi Charles,
Keep up the great work! I tune into your site probably 3 - 4 times per day.
(Sorry, don't want to answer your question publicly.)
Thank you.
Cordially,
WM
| 639 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:17:30pm |
re: #626 Charles
You haven't commented for two and a half years. What woke you up?
No, please, not till I'm done with him... I've got a good critical debate point building above.
/
| 640 |
Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:19:00pm |
re: #636 Charles
Ohhh. I get it.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Perhaps the extra wacky in the air today is coming from harpies.
| 641 |
Western Mind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:19:11pm |
re: #635 Walter L. Newton
C'mon, the White House does the same thing.
| 642 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:19:29pm |
re: #637 reine.de.tout
by a man who has absolutely no control over his emotions for even the smallest things.
(I cannot abide the weeping. Just can't stand it).
hahaha!...what a hard ass!
| 644 |
Racer X Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:20:07pm |
re: #585 HoosierHoops
I'll help you out of this dilemma.. Every day post I hate the LA Lakers at least once ...
Downding!
| 645 |
ArchangelMichael Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:20:45pm |
Very OT - Does anyone here have the Windows 7 RC and a MB with Nvidia nforce NICs built in.
They seem to lockup and need to be reset anytime my bandwidth use is pretty high, like large downloads or bittorrent. Just wondering if I'm alone on this. My google-fu is finding other problems with these NICs but not this specific one.
| 646 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:20:50pm |
re: #641 Western Mind
C'mon, the White House does the same thing.
You never addressed my comment. I laid out numerous points that you can try to dispute, but I am not going off into another subject (as in "the White House"). If you intend to stay honest, then point out where I am wrong. Play again.
| 647 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:21:12pm |
| 648 |
Digital Display Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:21:29pm |
| 649 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:21:55pm |
am abstaining from updings until i reach 50 posts... but i shall metaphorically upding this to the stars
re: #631 Boyo
Charles, thank you for the site you provide and for the way you appear to stand for truth without bias toward left or right.
I once (some years back) let my opinion of this site be based on the ugly comments left here,it left a cartoonish view in mind of what people on the right were like,I was foolish.Ive since read how it was harder for you to clean house back then.When I came back here I came half way expecting the same ugliness but you and the intelligent posters have corrected my view of this place.Its now been almost two months since I "came back" and I cant get enough,Im here everyday now even if its just to read and not logged in. Thank you once again and keep up the good work.peace,
Boyo
| 650 |
The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:22:38pm |
re: #593 Western Mind
You are a propaganda arm of the Democrat party.
I updinged you for making me laugh.
1) It's the DemocratIC Party.
2) Everyone knows I'm a member not of the Democratic Party, but of the shadowy Progressive Attack Machine. I am paid to be shiftless, live in an undisclosed, underground seekrit location with other likeminded hippies, perform ghey marriages and have socialistic orgies. And mock people like you.
3) On the phone with Kos. He sez BWAHAHAHAHA. Not sure I got the spelling right.
| 651 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:23:21pm |
re: #632 Liberal Classic
Okay thanks. What is that avatar?
| 652 |
Liberal Classic Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:23:28pm |
re: #650 iceweasel
Welcome to the vast left-wing conspiracy!
| 653 |
Racer X Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:23:41pm |
re: #648 HoosierHoops
That downding felt wonderful..do it again! Do it again!
*wink*
I will - if you dare to blaspheme the WORLD CHAMPION LOS ANGELES LAKERS!
Yeah baby!
| 654 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:23:49pm |
re: #650 iceweasel
I updinged you for making me laugh.
1) It's the DemocratIC Party.
2) Everyone knows I'm a member not of the Democratic Party, but of the shadowy Progressive Attack Machine. I am paid to be shiftless, live in an undisclosed, underground seekrit location with other likeminded hippies, perform ghey marriages and have socialistic orgies. And mock people like you.
3) On the phone with Kos. He sez BWAHAHAHAHA. Not sure I got the spelling right.
Double on the Orgies!
| 655 |
Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:24:24pm |
re: #651 Rightwingconspirator
Okay thanks. What is that avatar?
It's Chtulhu! The embodiment of eeevil.
| 656 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:24:39pm |
| 657 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:24:47pm |
re: #647 reine.de.tout
WHAT?
I've not seen Beck weep myself...but the just thought of it is a huge turnoff...I get you...he should be relentlessly mocked for it
| 658 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:25:04pm |
re: #652 Liberal Classic
Welcome to the vast left-wing conspiracy!
You're welcoming Iceweasel... Holy Grand Pubah... she owns the whole thing Ranger.
| 659 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:25:31pm |
re: #652 Liberal Classic
Welcome to the vast left-wing conspiracy!
As a charter member of the vast right-wing conspiracy, I will say it's a pleasure to meet the other side.
| 660 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:25:34pm |
re: #614 Western Mind
"Most Objective"?!
| 661 |
Western Mind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:25:42pm |
re: #635 Walter L. Newton
Ok, for crying out loud:
Beck is not even giving opinion. On a nightly basis, he make definitive statements, pronouncements and presents stories as if they are solid news items. He's like 60 minutes on drugs.
An opinion is a belief that may or may not be backed up with evidence, but which cannot be proved with that evidence. It is normally a subjective statement and may be the result of an emotion or an interpretation of facts; people may draw opposing opinions from the same facts. (wiki).
Beck is always trying to prove something with the information he is imparting on his show. [So, opinions have to be pure fantasy?]
Just the fact that he has been correct about certain subjects proves that he is propounding more than just opinion. ["Random walk:" 50% in each direction.]
Otherwise you are saying that he is not contributing anything to anything and it's a worthless hour of useless opinion. [Unless you are entertained or -- horrors!--learn something]
You can't have it both ways. [In this case I have it only one way.]
| 662 |
Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:25:59pm |
re: #593 Western Mind
You are a propaganda arm of the Democrat party.
You think so small, my little red white and blue friend...
| 663 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:26:03pm |
re: #660 Rightwingconspirator
Try my name at Kos... LOL
| 664 |
Digital Display Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:26:35pm |
re: #653 Racer X
I will - if you dare to blaspheme the WORLD CHAMPION LOS ANGELES LAKERS!
Yeah baby!
I love your passion! Kind regards...
I grew up in Northern California and we have a law about hating LA..
It's not my fault! It's the law!
*wink*
| 665 |
Liberal Classic Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:27:04pm |
re: #659 reine.de.tout
As a charter member of the vast right-wing conspiracy, I will say it's a pleasure to meet the other side.
Hey! Left or right, we're still part of the Conspiracy!
| 666 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:27:12pm |
re: #656 sattv4u2
re: #654 Walter L. Newton
And the implants!
Well, the implants have to be doubles, unless of course you're simply one-sided, like maybe on the left side, and refuse to realize that there may be two sides to every implant.
(that, my boys, is how you take a simple statement about breast implants, and stealthly spin the topic to right and left politics. Learn for the master).
LOL
| 667 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:27:26pm |
re: #657 albusteve
I've not seen Beck weep myself...but the just thought of it is a huge turnoff...I get you...he should be relentlessly mocked for it
Albusteve - it's awful, just awful.
I've only ever been able to weep uncontrollably and about everythng like that at two points in my life - when I was a teenager and nothing was going right in my life as happens during the teen years; and again when I went thru a very bad post-partum depression.
I have to wonder which of these applies to Beck's emotional state?
| 668 |
jaunte Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:27:26pm |
re: #637 reine.de.tout
The weird thing about the weeping is that it's hard to tell whether he's faking it for effect, or taking advantage of a natural bipolar tendency for effect. Either one is peculiar.
| 669 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:28:16pm |
re: #661 Western Mind
Ok, for crying out loud:
Beck is not even giving opinion. On a nightly basis, he make definitive statements, pronouncements and presents stories as if they are solid news items. He's like 60 minutes on drugs.
An opinion is a belief that may or may not be backed up with evidence, but which cannot be proved with that evidence. It is normally a subjective statement and may be the result of an emotion or an interpretation of facts; people may draw opposing opinions from the same facts. (wiki).
Beck is always trying to prove something with the information he is imparting on his show. [So, opinions have to be pure fantasy?]
Just the fact that he has been correct about certain subjects proves that he is propounding more than just opinion. ["Random walk:" 50% in each direction.]
Otherwise you are saying that he is not contributing anything to anything and it's a worthless hour of useless opinion. [Unless you are entertained or -- horrors!--learn something]
You can't have it both ways. [In this case I have it only one way.]
Evidently you don't have the skill to debate my points. You loose.
| 670 |
revgdright Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:28:30pm |
Nonsense. Fox news blows away all of the other networks and if they were an arm of the GOP, Obama couldn't have won based on ratings alone.
| 671 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:28:35pm |
re: #667 reine.de.tout
I'm thinking post partum. Each morning a half hour or so after his coffee. Plunk, then depressed.
| 672 |
Racer X Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:28:35pm |
re: #664 HoosierHoops
I love your passion! Kind regards...
I grew up in Northern California and we have a law about hating LA..
It's not my fault! It's the law!
*wink*
Ahh. My condolences. Then you have good reason to hate the Lakers.
;-)
| 673 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:28:53pm |
re: #666 Walter L. Newton
Well, the implants have to be doubles, unless of course you're simply one-sided, like maybe on the left side, and refuse to realize that there may be two sides to every implant.
(that, my boys, is how you take a simple statement about breast implants, and stealthly spin the topic to right and left politics. Learn for the master).
LOL
Once dated a lady whose breats were on her back.
Not much to look at, but REAL fun to slow dance with!!
//
BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD
| 674 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:29:40pm |
re: #673 sattv4u2
Once dated a lady whose
breatsBREASTS were on her back.Not much to look at, but REAL fun to slow dance with!!
//
BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD
PIMF
| 675 |
Western Mind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:29:51pm |
re: #661 Western Mind
How did I miss this before?
Beck is not even giving opinion. On a nightly basis, he make definitive statements, pronouncements and presents stories as if they are solid news items. [Go ahead, debate what he presents as facts--but be accurate and specific--the point is he is a self-proclaimed advocate of his own opinions.] He's like 60 minutes on drugs. [Help yourself.]
An opinion is a belief that may or may not be backed up with evidence, but which cannot be proved with that evidence. [Here I disagree. Ever read a newspaper Editoral?] It is normally a subjective statement and may be the result of an emotion or an interpretation of facts; people may draw opposing opinions from the same facts. (wiki). [Well here is a good point: Beck gives you evidence; he paints a non-moving target. Anita Dunn gives you hot air. Now do you see the diff?]
| 676 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:30:03pm |
re: #667 reine.de.tout
Albusteve - it's awful, just awful.
I've only ever been able to weep uncontrollably and about everythng like that at two points in my life - when I was a teenager and nothing was going right in my life as happens during the teen years; and again when I went thru a very bad post-partum depression.I have to wonder which of these applies to Beck's emotional state?
I can't say...maybe he is weeping for the demise of the human race...personally I'd wager he takes some hard core drugs to keep him lucid, if that's what you call it
| 677 |
Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:30:29pm |
re: #670 revgdright
They failed last time despite their best efforts. Maybe if they try harder for the next three years...
/
| 678 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:30:38pm |
re: #672 Racer X
Ahh. My condolences. Then you have good reason to hate the Lakers.
;-)
FEH ,,,What about ME ,, born and raised in Boston!!
GO RUSSELL ,,, GO BIRD ,,, GO KG !!
| 679 |
Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:30:45pm |
re: #675 Western Mind
How did I miss this before?
Beck is not even giving opinion. On a nightly basis, he make definitive statements, pronouncements and presents stories as if they are solid news items. [Go ahead, debate what he presents as facts--but be accurate and specific--the point is he is a self-proclaimed advocate of his own opinions.] He's like 60 minutes on drugs. [Help yourself.]
An opinion is a belief that may or may not be backed up with evidence, but which cannot be proved with that evidence. [Here I disagree. Ever read a newspaper Editoral?] It is normally a subjective statement and may be the result of an emotion or an interpretation of facts; people may draw opposing opinions from the same facts. (wiki). [Well here is a good point: Beck gives you evidence; he paints a non-moving target. Anita Dunn gives you hot air. Now do you see the diff?]
It would seem that you are the proverbial brick wall.
| 680 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:31:04pm |
re: #340 Sco
Fox may lean to the right; but IMO they generally cover the news fairly; and pursue stories that the apologist Obama media will not.
Would ACORN have been exposed if not for Fox ?
Rev. Wright ?
Bill Ayers ?
Van Jones ?
Charlie Rangel's misdeeds ?
Jack Murtha ?
No. The MSM would do their best to ignore them or run actual, partial interference for the Dems and our President Of The World.
| 681 |
Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:31:06pm |
re: #668 jaunte
The weird thing about the weeping is that it's hard to tell whether he's faking it for effect, or taking advantage of a natural bipolar tendency for effect. Either one is peculiar.
It has to make you wonder why it seems to be working with folks who are supposed to idealize Rugged Individuality. Weeping isn't rugged, and I'm surprised none of these internet tough guys on various boards want to defend this guy. What beck really needs is a bottle of man-up pills.
| 682 |
Western Mind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:31:31pm |
re: #669 Walter L. Newton
I debated each one of them, but before I read that you think opinions are relativeistic pronouncements (response, below).
| 683 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:31:44pm |
re: #661 Western Mind
Ya know, I'm a conservative, and it pains me to see someone like you try to represent any single point of conservative thinking. You totally lack any critical thinking skills, the ability to use logic and you reduce everything to small snarky sentences.
Yawn.
| 684 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:32:41pm |
re: #683 Walter L. Newton
Ya know, I'm a conservative, and it pains me to see someone like you try to represent any single point of conservative thinking. You totally lack any critical thinking skills, the ability to use logic and you reduce everything to small snarky sentences.
Yawn.
Dammit, Walter! now ya got me doing it.
Yawn.
| 685 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:32:46pm |
| 686 |
Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:32:52pm |
re: #680 The Sanity Inspector
... our President Of The World.
Jesus H. Listen to yourself. Who do you think you're mocking?
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:32:55pm |
re: #634 tradewind
Re Jones... whether or not you take him at his word that he did not understand the petition, or whatever the excuse was, you cannot say that there was ' no evidence at all'. His name was on the petition, and Beck was not the only pundit/host who repeated it. I heard the same thing on CNN and some other networks, after he stepped down.
Others whose names appeared claimed to have never signed it; to have asked that their names be removed, without response; to have signed an entirely different document, only to have their name attached to the one in question, after the fact.
Beck snagged the story off a two-bit website run by Troofers - the most unreliable source imaginable - and pounded his audience with it for days on end. It was only then that others picked it up, because the pounding itself had become newsworthy.
It was 100% bullshit, and Beck knew it. He lied through is teeth in order to perform a character assassination based on pure fiction.
Meanwhile, Jones' membership in the Noetic Society - a position which should have automatically disqualified him from ever holding any sort of science advisory position anywhere - went completely unremarked.
Beck is a lying sack of shit. Period. End of story. And his shrilling will wind up costing the right far, far more in the long run than whatever short term gains it may accrue. He has now effectively immunized 0bama's czars, present and future, from criticism emanating from the GOP as a result of his over-the-top buffoonery.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:33:20pm |
re: #683 Walter L. Newton
There are places on the internet where small, snarky sentences is all they have.
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Western Mind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:33:29pm |
re: #679 Varek Raith
More group think. It's OK, you can have your oipinion even if you present no basis. No complaint. Res ipsa loquitur.
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erraticsphinx Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:33:51pm |
.
(Who I believe is Glenn Beck)re: #675 Western Mind
Yeah...no hot air from Beck.
No siree.
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Racer X Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:33:53pm |
re: #678 sattv4u2
FEH ,,,What about ME ,, born and raised in Boston!!
GO RUSSELL ,,, GO BIRD ,,, GO KG !!
Please
Stop
Distracting
Me
With
Reality
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:34:28pm |
re: #675 Western Mind
How did I miss this before?
How about using the quote and reply functions that are available to you and the other formatting options in the edit box so when you attempt to rebuke my statements, at least everyone here can follow your train of thought without having to try to read you flow-on paragraphs.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:35:07pm |
re: #688 Sharmuta
There are places on the internet where small, snarky sentences is all they have.
You mean like Fritter (tm).
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The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:35:17pm |
re: #661 Western Mind
You can't have it both ways. [In this case I have it only one way.]
Ok dude. I guess you've backed up your heteronormative cred.
I award you your choice of a Native American headress, a sailors cap, a cowboy hat, and an assortment of uh, shiny helmets.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:35:53pm |
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:37:04pm |
re: #681 Sharmuta
What beck really needs is a bottle of man-up pills.
I think I see those pills advertised when I forget to turn on the pop up blocker. Or check my spam junk box. "Smiling Bob" is the spokesman.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:37:13pm |
re: #695 iceweasel
Ok dude. I guess you've backed up your heteronormative cred.
I award you your choice of a Native American headress, a sailors cap, a cowboy hat, and an assortment of uh, shiny helmets.
[Video]
I hate it when you and I can get in agreement with anything. It actually hurts. I mean physically, deep down, like way down, in the pit of all my desires down, hurts. Good link.
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:37:13pm |
re: #695 iceweasel
What?!?! No french tickler and a space helmet?!?! I declare Shenanigans®!
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:37:58pm |
re: #689 Western Mind
More group think. It's OK, you can have your oipinion even if you present no basis. No complaint. Res ipsa loquitur.
Arguing facts with you is pointless. Hence the brick wall comment. I don't waste time on pointless endeavors.
GAZE.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:38:12pm |
Off topic: Government-Run Health Care at it's Finest manages to kill a soldier by transplanting the lungs of a smoker into him, and missing an existing tumor. Oops.
The finest health care the lowest bid can buy.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:38:43pm |
re: #701 SixDegrees
You should post that in Links.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:41:15pm |
re: #695 iceweasel
Upding for laughter!
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:41:43pm |
Off to bed. It's back to work for me tomorrow, after taking European Oppressors Day off in mourning while remodelers toiled and sweat on my behalf.
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Sco Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:42:29pm |
680 - Sanity Inspector ... bingo ! which happens all the time w/ the nets, NY Times, Wapo, etc.
That's why Fox and sites like LGF are often good places to find info that MSM won't cover due to their biases. Hence the Charles Gibson willful ignorance / blindness about ACORN earlier.
That is also why the dinosaur media is going out of business ...
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MinisterO Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:42:42pm |
re: #174 jojostan
The Bush administration put up with far worse for 7 years
There's a cognitive dissonance at work here. I can scarcely imagine what it would take to convince someone like this that the FoxNews and its loyal band of lunatics have raised the bar on batshit-crazy hate-filled nonsense by several notches.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:42:55pm |
re: #670 revgdright
Nonsense. Fox news blows away all of the other networks and if they were an arm of the GOP, Obama couldn't have won based on ratings alone.
Fox - by and large - and following the polling data around the US and among demographics - appears to be a network afloat on the viewership of people who's basic cable doesn't carry another station... and the 25%ers of the Bush era's final days in the bunker...
It doesn't rate as a more trusted news source than it's competitors outside of the South - and elections are won over North, East and West too. The Fox News constituency doesn't a national election winning coalition make.
Research200/Kos Poll
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:44:20pm |
re: #707 wozzablog
Kos Poll? Oh, that will be scientific.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:44:42pm |
re: #705 Sco
680 - Sanity Inspector ... bingo ! which happens all the time w/ the nets, NY Times, Wapo, etc.
That's why Fox and sites like LGF are often good places to find info that MSM won't cover due to their biases. Hence the Charles Gibson willful ignorance / blindness about ACORN earlier.
That is also why the dinosaur media is going out of business ...
LGF covers things that Fox never would. Please don't conflate the two.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:45:53pm |
Also O/T...
NBC (parent company of MSNBC) decides to exercise a petty bias against Fox using the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade...
[Link: www.eonline.com...]
Showing their inner grinch. This is such a fabulous, happy show, which is why it's a hit, and they're jealous.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:45:59pm |
Subway time gotta run cool thread. Sharmuta, good to see you making the sharp points today.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:46:25pm |
re: #329 Jimmah
Yeah but if I had ever wanted to say some of those things I would have liked to say them with his words; except of course when they were directed at me, which was some time ago.
*sigh*
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MinisterO Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:48:26pm |
re: #708 Rightwingconspirator
Kos Poll? Oh, that will be scientific.
The Kos polls are conducted by an independent research company. I wouldn't trust them with my life but they are real scientific polls.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:48:58pm |
re: #687 SixDegrees
My point was that the other news outlets ran with that story as well without any more evidence. People who repeated it? Donna Brazile, Campbell Brown... hardly your right wing hacks. You heard Dem after Dem bemoaning the fact that he had signed the petition... Harold Ford was one.
I wasn't supporting Beck's theory. Just saying that he didn't pull it out of thin air.
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lastlaugh Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:49:24pm |
re: #708 Rightwingconspirator
Kos Poll? Oh, that will be scientific.
Research 2000 is fairly reputable. Besides, if we ignore the nationwide mean (percentage of those that say FNC is reputable/trustworthy), the variation by region is still pretty compelling. I find it hard to believe the questions/poll would be biased by region.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:49:56pm |
I think the amazing thing here is that so many folk are willing and even eager to embrace a distortion of reality that is every bit as loathsome as its inverse. Beck's weepy pronouncements over the impending collapse of the nation into a totalitarian labor and education camp are every bit as foolish, every bit as deranged, and every bit as groundless, and the famous tingle up the leg mentioned by another famous fat white guy on cable tv. All this sorta stuff does is to encourage people to double-down on the crazy stakes.
Where it all ends? The madhouse, where the charmismatic patients assume the uniforms and offices of the staff and inflict their nonsense on anyone not able to escape the waiting area.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:51:55pm |
re: #716 lastlaugh
Research 2000 is fairly reputable. Besides, if we ignore the nationwide mean (percentage of those that say FNC is reputable/trustworthy), the variation by region is still pretty compelling. I find it hard to believe the questions/poll would be biased by region.
Did you try to make a link to that poll in your earlier comment? If you did - the link isn't working.
Could you relink?
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:53:01pm |
re: #717 Guanxi88
Good post... I agree, except that where it ends, most likely, is in a big nothing. The problem with hysteria and excess from either side is that pretty soon, the general public will just tune them both out, and disengage from the issues altogether.
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lastlaugh Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:55:40pm |
re: #718 reine.de.tout
Did you try to make a link to that poll in your earlier comment? If you did - the link isn't working.
Could you relink?
While it wasn't my post I assume he's referring to this:
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:55:43pm |
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MinisterO Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:56:39pm |
Here's a link the previously mentioned Research 2000 Daily Kos poll.
It's particularly interesting to see how young people perceive the news networks.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:57:31pm |
re: #719 tradewind
Good post... I agree, except that where it ends, most likely, is in a big nothing. The problem with hysteria and excess from either side is that pretty soon, the general public will just tune them both out, and disengage from the issues altogether.
I hope you're right about it fizzling out. In my darkest hours, I fear that a steady diet of pernicious nonsense and un-reality, irrespective of source or intent, has the effect of unhinging folk and distorting reality.
If the perceived mainstream is distorted one way or another, the corresponding understanding of "moderation" becomes similarly distorted. If everyone around you claims to be 8 feet tall, and they all claim it consistently, their intersubjective certainty causes distortions if you attempt to explain to them how tall a given thing is.
Over time, this sort of distortion becomes a habit, and habit makes character.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:57:50pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:59:09pm |
re: #705 Sco
Either that avatar goes or you do. It's your choice. I'm not going to let that one continue to be posted at LGF.
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SFGoth Mon, Oct 12, 2009 4:59:19pm |
Need some help Lizards. Did Bush win any award that the Left ridiculed? Thanks.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:00:21pm |
re: #726 Varek Raith
He also thinks his town is a Mujahadeen center. What a nut.
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Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:00:27pm |
re: #728 SFGoth
Need some help Lizards. Did Bush win any award that the Left ridiculed? Thanks.
His second term?
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celticdragon Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:00:29pm |
re: #512 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ever read Guns, Germs, and Steel?
Does a fantastic job of showing how stuff like climate and natural resources stifled or pushed progress.
Excellent book. I also recommend Jared Diamond's book Collapse; How Societies choose To Fail Or Succeed.
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albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:01:37pm |
re: #728 SFGoth
Need some help Lizards. Did Bush win any award that the Left ridiculed? Thanks.
yes, he won the "Good Job Brownie' Loving Cup
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sattv4u2 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:02:24pm |
re: #728 SFGoth
Need some help Lizards. Did Bush win any award that the Left ridiculed? Thanks.
[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]
One google I came across when I put in "president bush awarded degree"
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:04:10pm |
In fact, I'm not going to wait. I deleted 'Sco's offensive icon.
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SFGoth Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:04:17pm |
re: #730 Coracle
His second term?
Ummm, that's going to make me look silly. I'm debating someone who says that if Bush won an award, the left didn't ridicule him for it.
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lastlaugh Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:05:39pm |
re: #732 MandyManners
O'Reilly is leading with this story.
A center-right country elected a leftist president and gave a super-majority to the democrats?
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Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:06:59pm |
re: #738 SFGoth
Your debate partner is wrong, because "The Left" is not monolithic. Some representative of some subset of the Left would absolutely ridicule any award Bush could/did win.
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theheat Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:07:10pm |
re: #667 reine.de.tout
Tell teenage girls that all boys weep and look like Beck during and after sex, and I guarantee an end to under age pregnancies.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:07:59pm |
re: #738 SFGoth
Ummm, that's going to make me look silly. I'm debating someone who says that if Bush won an award, the left didn't ridicule him for it.
I don't remember him winning an award from any organization, unless you count honorary degrees. But wasn't there a Vietnam vet who gave Bush one of his Purple Hearts? If I recall, there were quite a few jokes about that.
| 744 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:08:09pm |
re: #738 SFGoth
Ummm, that's going to make me look silly. I'm debating someone who says that if Bush won an award, the left didn't ridicule him for it.
I can't recall him winning anything in particular, although I'm sure every president gets a stack of honorary degrees and such.
| 745 |
tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:08:19pm |
re: #735 sattv4u2
I can't believe those troglodytes at DU are still repeating the same old ' Bush is a monkey ' stuff.
That place has to be equally as offensive as some of the not-to-be-linked-to sites on the far right.
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albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:08:23pm |
re: #738 SFGoth
Ummm, that's going to make me look silly. I'm debating someone who says that if Bush won an award, the left didn't ridicule him for it.
you cannot ridicule BO for his Nobel
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:09:13pm |
re: #738 SFGoth
Ummm, that's going to make me look silly. I'm debating someone who says that if Bush won an award, the left didn't ridicule him for it.
No point in engaging in the exercise whatsoever. Obama didn't seek it - it was bestowed upon him by the committee. It's absurd, of course, and it might have been interesting had he declined the award, but here we are. If Obama's supporters wish to triumph in this great accomplishment, who am I to deny them their moment in the sun? He's in good company, I suppose - Carter, Gore, El Baradei, Arafat. It's a mixed bag. Best thing to do is to do as Obama did, and sorta shrug it off and politely decline to draw any more attention to their bizarre and clumsy attempt to flatter and manipulate him.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:09:35pm |
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:10:02pm |
re: #746 albusteve
Exactly. You can ridicule the Nobel committee. No one would ever say that Obama was campaigning for it... in fact, he seemed a little embarrassed.
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Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:10:21pm |
re: #712 Naso Tang
Yeah but if I had ever wanted to say some of those things I would have liked to say them with his words; except of course when they were directed at me, which was some time ago.
*sigh*
Personally, I find melting down in a disgusting torrent of abusive, often deeply misogynistic comments to be a rather weak 'debating tactic'. Not one I would choose to employ.
| 751 |
_RememberTonyC Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:10:26pm |
I miss Brit Hume ... he was one of the best. FOX is poorer because he is gone. I hope some of you are watching him on O'Reilly discussing this Obama vs FOX issue.
| 752 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:10:51pm |
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:11:02pm |
re: #748 SanFranciscoZionist
Can I make fun of the Norwegians?
Why not? Why should you be denied the pleasure afforded so many others? Norwegians!
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former_secret_agent Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:11:35pm |
re: #746 albusteve
you cannot ridicule BO for his Nobel
ahhh... but can I ridicule Nobel for his BO? (Couldn't resist a terrible pun about body odor)
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:11:38pm |
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The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:12:28pm |
re: #712 Naso Tang
Yeah but if I had ever wanted to say some of those things I would have liked to say them with his words; except of course when they were directed at me, which was some time ago.
*sigh*
Really? Words like "bitch", "pig", "asshole", and "communist scumbag"?
And that's not even counting his final comment which earned him the banning he richly deserved. Some wordsmith.
I guess his words just came out wrong. You'll have to tell him you love him in a song.
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arethusa Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:13:04pm |
re: #751 _RememberTonyC
I miss Brit Hume ... he was one of the best. FOX is poorer because he is gone. I hope some of you are watching him on O'Reilly discussing this Obama vs FOX issue.
He was on Special Report earlier, too. Fox is clearly trotting out their big guns on this.
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albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:13:18pm |
re: #747 Guanxi88
No point in engaging in the exercise whatsoever. Obama didn't seek it - it was bestowed upon him by the committee. It's absurd, of course, and it might have been interesting had he declined the award, but here we are. If Obama's supporters wish to triumph in this great accomplishment, who am I to deny them their moment in the sun? He's in good company, I suppose - Carter, Gore, El Baradei, Arafat. It's a mixed bag. Best thing to do is to do as Obama did, and sorta shrug it off and politely decline to draw any more attention to their bizarre and clumsy attempt to flatter and manipulate him.
ah, scratch Arafat
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Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:13:35pm |
re: #755 tradewind
Seriously??
I think Guanxi88 was pointing out the relative (low) caliber of the award.
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Rascal One Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:14:24pm |
I watch Fox News to get things from a Conservative perspective, I watch CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN and PBS to get the Liberal perspective and I watch MSNBC to get the position of Pravda.
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boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:14:39pm |
channeling that ODS evermore...
Protest planned against NJ school's Obama song
[Link: www.philly.com...]
sigh...
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:15:04pm |
Research2000 polls generally fall within the range when included in tracking polls. Not a kook outfit.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:15:18pm |
re: #755 tradewind
Seriously??
Well, the Committee all thought these folk every bit as deserving of the accolade as Obama. If it were me, I'd take it as a calculated insult, and would seek redress via the US Marine Corps. But that's just me.
Carter and Gore are political allies and soul-mates of the Obama administration. Take it for what it's worth.
El baradei is the great authority on nuclear proliferation - a blind toothless watchdog at best; at worst, a crook.
Arafat - a partner in peace, according to most folk who believe, like the Pres seems to, that the chief problem in the MidEast is Israel's dogged insistence, in the face of all diplomatic pressures, to continue to live on Israeli territory.
So, yeah, it's a mixed bag, at best.
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former_secret_agent Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:15:21pm |
re: #758 albusteve
ah, scratch Arafat
I blame you for the image of Arafat's hairy back that is now stuck in my mind.
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albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:15:29pm |
re: #760 Rascal One
I watch Fox News to get things from a Conservative perspective, I watch CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN and PBS to get the Liberal perspective and I watch MSNBC to get the position of Pravda.
pump up those ratings!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:15:39pm |
re: #722 lastlaugh
While it wasn't my post I assume he's referring to this:
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
Yes, thanks.
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Sco Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:17:46pm |
Charles ... your site ... you can delete it if it bothers you (even if I don't see why it bothers you or anyone else ... I am pretty sure that picture was a Time Magazine cover).
No intention to offend & its just not that important to me to argue about.
I am sure that I can find another icon to use.
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albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:18:46pm |
re: #769 Sco
Charles ... your site ... you can delete it if it bothers you (even if I don't see why it bothers you or anyone else ... I am pretty sure that picture was a Time Magazine cover).
No intention to offend & its just not that important to me to argue about.
I am sure that I can find another icon to use.
good choice
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:19:07pm |
re: #762 boyo
Wait a minute... that's up North? I thought that kind of racially-tinged stupidity could only be found down South.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:19:34pm |
re: #757 arethusa
He was on Special Report earlier, too. Fox is clearly trotting out their big guns on this.
Can you blame them? When the Administration drags them through the mud, they have every right to defend themselves. I really feel Obama is going to look back on this pissing match and have major regrets that he opted to "throw down" against a major news network. And I believe that our foreign adversaries are taking note of the Administration's apparent thin skin and figuring out how they can exploit it to their benefit.
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tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:20:04pm |
re: #768 Guanxi88
(Shhh. Not the Almighty. Everyone knows it was teh poison from Teh Joos).
///
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:21:01pm |
re: #772 _RememberTonyC
Can you blame them? When the Administration drags them through the mud, they have every right to defend themselves. I really feel Obama is going to look back on this pissing match and have major regrets that he opted to "throw down" against a major news network. And I believe that our foreign adversaries are taking note of the Administration's apparent thin skin and figuring out how they can exploit it to their benefit.
No, they're just wonder why neither he nor Bush ever seem to shoot any journalists.
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albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:21:13pm |
re: #772 _RememberTonyC
Can you blame them? When the Administration drags them through the mud, they have every right to defend themselves. I really feel Obama is going to look back on this pissing match and have major regrets that he opted to "throw down" against a major news network. And I believe that our foreign adversaries are taking note of the Administration's apparent thin skin and figuring out how they can exploit it to their benefit.
he's setting a pattern here...and it's necessarily discriminatory...a bad thing
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:21:40pm |
Just checking in, since I rated some the comments up at the top. I'm not going to join this discussion, as I haven't gotten my views on it in an order fit to discuss. I need to think about it some more, so I'll wait till I'm ready before discussing this issue..
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Rascal One Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:23:02pm |
re: #772 _RememberTonyC
That's a great comment! I have a little ways to go before I can upding so I wanted you to know you got one by default. LOL
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Racer X Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:23:33pm |
re: #742 theheat
Tell teenage girls that all boys weep and look like Beck during and after sex, and I guarantee an end to under age pregnancies.
That's just wrong.
/but I may tell my daughter that.
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Danny Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:23:37pm |
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Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:24:44pm |
re: #776 albusteve
he's setting a pattern here...and it's necessarily discriminatory...a bad thing
Feh. The pattern was set a long time ago, by Fox.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:25:42pm |
re: #778 Rascal One
That's a great comment! I have a little ways to go before I can upding so I wanted you to know you got one by default. LOL
Charles ... Can we make an exception for this fine young Lizard? :)
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:26:36pm |
re: #775 SanFranciscoZionist
No, they're just wonder why neither he nor Bush ever seem to shoot any journalists.
Well, Cheney did bag a lawyer...
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Pianobuff Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:27:29pm |
re: #772 _RememberTonyC
Can you blame them? When the Administration drags them through the mud, they have every right to defend themselves. I really feel Obama is going to look back on this pissing match and have major regrets that he opted to "throw down" against a major news network. And I believe that our foreign adversaries are taking note of the Administration's apparent thin skin and figuring out how they can exploit it to their benefit.
What if Rupert Murdoch buys NBC, as Reuters is reporting he is interested.
Would that be a sight or what?
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:29:59pm |
re: #781 Coracle
Feh. The pattern was set a long time ago, by Fox.
Barack Obama is the President of the United States of America. For him (through one of his lackeys) to stoop to the level of whining about a network that dares to criticize him is WAY beneath the dignity of a Nobel Prize winner, a head of state, or even a high profile executive. It just makes it look like he can't handle criticism. It's bad for him and bad for us.
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Sco Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:31:04pm |
680 - Danny
The original Time magazine cover looked like this.
---
I did not know that - thanks !
I just did a Google search and got the whole story / history ...
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
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cenotaphium Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:31:37pm |
re: #772 _RememberTonyC
I really feel Obama is going to look back on this pissing match and have major regrets that he opted to "throw down" against a major news network.
Why? Serious question.
From what I can tell, there is no support to be found for them in the Fox network. They could ignore it outright, or fight back against what they view as distortions. Surely, they're hoping not only to combat talking points, but ultimately sideline the channel as an outlet for craziness, not to be trusted with anything.
I think they've already shown that they don't intend to include Fox if they can avoid it (with the Obama network tour that specifically excluded them)?
Can this bite them in the ass? Sure. They can inadvertently make a martyr out of the network, and they risk looking bad even worse if Fox can scoop more insanity within the Obama administration.
And I believe that our foreign adversaries are taking note of the Administration's apparent thin skin and figuring out how they can exploit it to their benefit.
This is disingenuous; the adversaries would exploit any weakness, from weak skin to cowboy rhetoric.
| 788 |
boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:32:25pm |
why is the word "whining" used over and over on this thread when speaking about the white house comm director answering questions?
| 789 |
Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:32:27pm |
re: #785 _RememberTonyC
Barack Obama is the President of the United States of America. For him (through one of his lackeys) to stoop to the level of whining about a network that dares to criticize him is WAY beneath the dignity of a Nobel Prize winner, a head of state, or even a high profile executive. It just makes it look like he can't handle criticism. It's bad for him and bad for us.
Feh again. It's not whining to publicly identify the ideology of an obviously partisan news organization.
| 790 |
Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:32:53pm |
re: #785 _RememberTonyC
Criticize? Fox has gone beyond criticisms and run with smears and lies and distortions. Calling the president a "racist" is not a criticism. It's a smear.
| 791 |
SFGoth Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:33:21pm |
Ironically, Nixon didn't win the peace prize in '72 with his detente with China. They didn't award the prize that year. Funny that.
| 792 |
_RememberTonyC Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:33:36pm |
re: #784 Pianobuff
What if Rupert Murdoch buys NBC, as Reuters is reporting he is interested.
Would that be a sight or what?
I don't think Murdoch can do it financially. And I doubt GE CEO Jeff Immelt and and the NBC-Universal board of directors would approve selling to Murdoch anyway.
| 793 |
Racer X Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:35:31pm |
re: #791 SFGoth
Ironically, Nixon didn't win the peace prize in '72 with his detente with China. They didn't award the prize that year. Funny that.
Ghandi was nominated 3 times. Never got it.
| 794 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:36:22pm |
re: #781 Coracle
Feh. The pattern was set a long time ago, by Fox.
that too, but BO has no control over that...he and his minions should show some presidential propriety
| 795 |
Pianobuff Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:36:40pm |
re: #792 _RememberTonyC
I don't think Murdoch can do it financially. And I doubt GE CEO Jeff Immelt and and the NBC-Universal board of directors would approve selling to Murdoch anyway.
It sounds like the deal might be more likely to go to Comcast from what I've read, but Murdoch is one of the longer shot players at the moment.
Ammonia meets bleach, if it ever did happen.
| 797 |
_RememberTonyC Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:37:09pm |
re: #789 Coracle
Feh again. It's not whining to publicly identify the ideology of an obviously partisan news organization.
it is whining. He doesn't like FOX, that's too bad. He is defended frequently on the network and criticized frequently. I expect more toughness from my President. It is embarrassing and makes him look weak.
| 798 |
Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:38:24pm |
re: #794 albusteve
that too, but BO has no control over that...he and his minions should show some presidential propriety
Yeah because not answering critics plays so well.
| 799 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:38:28pm |
The shrieking harpy shrieks again!
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]
| 800 |
Digital Display Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:39:06pm |
re: #793 Racer X
Ghandi was nominated 3 times. Never got it.
Ghandi said something that always stayed with me..
Be the change you wish to see in the world
We have always demanded others change without looking within our own soul..
| 801 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:39:09pm |
Libel blogger Charles Johnson: Nazi! Nazi! Nazi! - Atlas Shrugs
The enemy plant is up to his stupid pet tricks: Pamela Geller Praises English Defense League, Posts Photo of Nazi Salutes You have to wonder how much they are paying him.
| 802 |
Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:39:17pm |
re: #797 _RememberTonyC
it is whining. He doesn't like FOX, that's too bad. He is defended frequently on the network and criticized frequently. I expect more toughness from my President. It is embarrassing and makes him look weak.
Did you even listen to the interview? Whining my foot.
| 803 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:39:33pm |
If you have to ask, Pam, you can't afford it.
| 804 |
lastlaugh Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:39:56pm |
Bill O'Reilly
"The White House has a Jihad against FNC"
| 805 |
katemaclaren Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:40:34pm |
re: #784 Pianobuff
That would be amazing. I would be surprised if it were allowed by the FCC.
| 807 |
Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:41:48pm |
re: #804 lastlaugh
Bill O'Reilly
"The White House has a Jihad against FNC"
Tell me Dopey did not just say that.
| 810 |
Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:42:57pm |
re: #799 Charles
The shrieking harpy shrieks again!
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]
WTH? Says Pam:
Just last month, toddlers were American toddlers were Nazis!
She really needs to learn how to proofread.
| 811 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:43:02pm |
re: #798 Coracle
Yeah because not answering critics plays so well.
in that case his staff must be nearly overwhelmed
| 812 |
_RememberTonyC Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:43:08pm |
re: #790 Sharmuta
Criticize? Fox has gone beyond criticisms and run with smears and lies and distortions. Calling the president a "racist" is not a criticism. It's a smear.
FOX does things wrong sometimes, they are not perfect. I am not saying it's OK when it happens, but I don't recall Senator Obama criticizing Erin Burnett of CNBC for calling Bush a monkey. And I don't recall Bush trashing MSNBC because mika brzezenski or keith olbermann called Bush a nazi and worse. I'm not so much defending FOX as much as I am criticizing Obama for his thin skinned reaction to FOX. He better toughen up or all of us are in deep trouble. He comes off as hypersensitive.
| 813 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:43:20pm |
re: #804 lastlaugh
So is Bill O. considered part of Fox "News" or Fox "Commentary"?
| 814 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:44:06pm |
Speaking of GOP propaganda...
Here is Michele Bachmann screeching "CO2 Is A Natural Byproduct of Nature!"
Quick contest... How many flaws and lies can you spot in her speech? I have counted some number, we'll see who gets closest.
For some more fun... here is a look at the Texas board of edumication...
| 815 |
tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:44:10pm |
re: #803 Charles
Remind me never to hire her makeup artist.
She can't even get the smoky eye thing right on your glamour shot.
(How immature is that?? She's a grown woman? )
| 816 |
ArchangelMichael Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:44:16pm |
| 817 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:45:01pm |
re: #813 Stanley Sea
So is Bill O. considered part of Fox "News" or Fox "Commentary"?
for millions of viewers, it's the same thing
| 818 |
_RememberTonyC Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:45:19pm |
re: #802 Coracle
Did you even listen to the interview? Whining my foot.
she can whine without using the whiney voice. it's still whining to me.
| 819 |
Danny Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:45:44pm |
re: #810 Sharmuta
She really needs to learn how to proofread.
Or at least wait to start drinking until after hours.
| 820 |
Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:45:59pm |
re: #812 _RememberTonyC
He better toughen up or all of us are in deep trouble. He comes off as hypersensitive.
It's so obviously not that the only people I can see thinking that are those who already think he's hypersensitive.
| 821 |
Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:46:59pm |
re: #812 _RememberTonyC
Perhaps if they started behaving like a news organization again, and not a trashy tabloid, they'd get more respect.
| 822 |
Pianobuff Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:47:07pm |
re: #805 katemaclaren
re: #808 tradewind
Here's the article: UPDATE 2-GE to have right to sell stake in new NBC venture
Here's what is said about News Corp:
" Rupert Murdoch's News Corp (NWSA.O) and John Malone's Liberty Media Corp (LINTA.O) are also interested in NBC Universal, though neither has approached GE so far, CNBC reported, citing sources.
News Corp, which owns the Fox cable network and local TV stations, had been seen as a less likely bidder, analysts have said, because taking a stake in NBC might raise antitrust concerns with the U.S. government."
Kate's observation is a good one.
| 823 |
Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:47:38pm |
| 824 |
boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:47:54pm |
re: #804 lastlaugh
Bill O'Reilly
"The White House has a Jihad against FNC"
from quranicstudies(.)com
"Jihad is simply the process of "exerting the best efforts," involving some form of "struggle" and "resistance," to achieve a particular goal. In other words, jihad is the struggle against, or resistance to, something for the sake of a goal. The meaning of the word is independent of the nature of the invested efforts or the sought goal."
wonder why Bill would use that particular word...hmm...
| 825 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:47:58pm |
re: #803 Charles
Check out her latest post...
Father of British soldier abused in Manchester, UK by Muslims, traitors and leftists (video)
The video is one of 3 uploads by this BNP supporter.
Father of British soldier abused in Manchester by immigrants and traitors
BNP -- those were the daysBNP blasts Labour in Yorkshire
| 826 |
katemaclaren Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:48:34pm |
re: #799 Charles
The shrieking harpy shrieks again!
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]
What in the world? I don't get this at all. How can someone be both pro Israel, a Jew and yet be a nazi supporter at the same time. Is this a really good example of cognitive dissonance?
| 827 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:49:35pm |
re: #821 Sharmuta
Perhaps if they started behaving like a news organization again, and not a trashy tabloid, they'd get more respect.
not from me...the MSM is all one big happy billion dollar family...just to play safe, they are all guilty imo...I'm a hayseed tho, I suppose one could nuance some respectability in there, but I won't bother
| 830 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:51:31pm |
re: #790 Sharmuta
Criticize? Fox has gone beyond criticisms and run with smears and lies and distortions. Calling the president a "racist" is not a criticism. It's a smear.
Sharm,
Obama attended a racist church and had a racist as a spiritual adviser for 20 years. At the very least he is an associate of racists.
| 831 |
avanti Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:51:31pm |
Interesting book discussed at 538.com about why we have so much polarization on the fringe right . Of course, you can't pigeon hole everyone from the books data, but the figures are interesting. i.e. some on the right fringe may be highly educated, atheists, living in a city.
Quote:
"And what do authoritarians look like? The table above--which I have reproduced from Table 3.2 (p. 39) of their book--shows average levels of authoritarianism by descriptive characteristics that, taken together, produce a composite image: rural, southern, under-educated, evangelical Protestant churchgoers. "
If that describes the strongest part of the GOP base, it'll be a uphill climb.
[Link: www.fivethirtyeight.com...]
| 832 |
Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:52:53pm |
re: #830 rwdflynavy
Sharm,
Obama attended a racist church and had a racist as a spiritual adviser for 20 years. At the very least he is an associate of racists.
But that wasn't the claim, was it. Do you think Obama is a racist?
| 833 |
jdog29 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:53:06pm |
re: #826 katemaclaren
What in the world? I don't get this at all. How can someone be both pro Israel, a Jew and yet be a nazi supporter at the same time. Is this a really good example of cognitive dissonance?
I can immediately diagnose your problem. You are looking for consistency and logic when deep down you know it's all about EMOTIONS !!! ///
| 834 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:53:18pm |
re: #830 rwdflynavy
Sharm,
Obama attended a racist church and had a racist as a spiritual adviser for 20 years. At the very least he is an associate of racists.
not only that, but BO is no stranger to a good political smear himself...it's how he won his state senate seat
| 837 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:54:47pm |
re: #832 Coracle
But that wasn't the claim, was it. Do you think Obama is a racist?
No, but I think he showed a profound lack of judgment in attending the church for that long and associating with Wright.
To paraphrase, "He acted stupidly".
| 838 |
Pianobuff Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:55:03pm |
re: #830 rwdflynavy
Sharm,
Obama attended a racist church and had a racist as a spiritual adviser for 20 years. At the very least he is an associate of racists.
Weren't the Clintons racists too? Or at least temporarily?
| 839 |
FrogMarch Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:55:11pm |
re: #701 SixDegrees
Off topic: Government-Run Health Care at it's Finest manages to kill a soldier by transplanting the lungs of a smoker into him, and missing an existing tumor. Oops.
The finest health care the lowest bid can buy.
My word.
| 840 |
tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:55:40pm |
Hmmm. Saw that same thing happen to someone else earlier.. wonder how I managed to do it as well...
| 841 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:56:23pm |
re: #813 Stanley Sea
So is Bill O. considered part of Fox "News" or Fox "Commentary"?
Commentary, by his own admission. He makes a point of referring to himself as a commentator and not "a hard news guy" (his words).
| 842 |
Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:56:48pm |
re: #830 rwdflynavy
Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when you're a major media figure, saying this sort of thing on the air can and will have consequences. What Beck said wasn't appropriate, and he should have issued a retraction. It shows unprofessionalism and lack of integrity on the part of fox news. The White House is in the right to be offended, and if fox wants to play by their own rules, why can't the White House treat them likewise?
| 843 |
Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:56:51pm |
re: #837 rwdflynavy
No, but I think he showed a profound lack of judgment in attending the church for that long and associating with Wright.
To paraphrase, "He acted stupidly".
Even if true - and it well might be - that is also not the claim made by Fox. Fox could have stuck with an arguably serious point, but decided to go full bore overboard instead.
| 844 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:57:23pm |
re: #843 Coracle
Even if true - and it well might be - that is also not the claim made by Fox. Fox could have stuck with an arguably serious point, but decided to go full bore overboard instead.
I am not defending Fox.
| 845 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:57:50pm |
re: #825 Killgore Trout
Comments from that youtube video
Father of British soldier abused in Manchester by immigrants and traitors
VOTE *BNP* , Enoch Powell was right all those years ago, now its too late unless we all act against what is happening. Don't give in to religious groups, in the UK you like by UK Laws. If not, then clear off.
...
we love your son and all our children the lib/lab/con are sending to there dirty war!! vote BNP
...
the BNP are proud of our troops,We will bring home our her'os
...etc.
Pam is just plain stupid.
| 846 |
Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:59:50pm |
re: #844 rwdflynavy
I am not defending Fox.
You responded to take issue with a comment Sharm made specifically about Fox. My mistake.
| 847 |
jaunte Mon, Oct 12, 2009 5:59:58pm |
O'Reilly currently advising us that "there are more gaps in Evolution."
| 848 |
lastlaugh Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:00:33pm |
re: #847 jaunte
O'Reilly currently advising us that "there are more gaps in Evolution."
Maybe he will win that Nobel after all.
| 849 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:00:47pm |
re: #846 Coracle
You responded to take issue with a comment Sharm made specifically about Fox. My mistake.
I was simply pointing out that the charge is not without merit considering Obama's past.
| 850 |
boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:01:16pm |
re: #847 jaunte
O'Reilly currently advising us that "there are more gaps in Evolution."
not advising...commenting! yes thats what it is commenting...
| 851 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:01:22pm |
re: #847 jaunte
The gaps precisely match his gaps of understanding. To the micron.
| 852 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:01:24pm |
re: #842 Sharmuta
Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when you're a major media figure, saying this sort of thing on the air can and will have consequences. What Beck said wasn't appropriate, and he should have issued a retraction. It shows unprofessionalism and lack of integrity on the part of fox news. The White House is in the right to be offended, and if fox wants to play by their own rules, why can't the White House treat them likewise?
they can, but what's the real political benefit?...does he gain favor for being tough?, or lose it for appearing wimpy?..either way it does not seem to me to be a bad strategy to ignore Fox...not to is worse imo
| 853 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:01:51pm |
re: #841 Dark_Falcon
Commentary, by his own admission. He makes a point of referring to himself as a commentator and not "a hard news guy" (his words).
Thanks Dark F.
Jihad...yeah
| 854 |
Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:01:53pm |
re: #849 rwdflynavy
I was simply pointing out that the charge is not without merit considering Obama's past.
The charge that he is a racist is most certainly without merit.
| 855 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:02:31pm |
re: #847 jaunte
O'Reilly currently advising us that "there are more gaps in Evolution."
Oh brother. The only conclusion I can draw from a statement like that is that his problem with evolution is ideological, not scientific.
| 856 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:02:45pm |
re: #854 Coracle
The charge that he is a racist is most certainly without merit.
How can you possibly say that?
| 857 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:03:01pm |
Buzzsawmonkey is now at the stalker site.
| 858 |
tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:03:06pm |
One thing's for sure... Ms Dunn is afflicted with Teh Shrill.
She might want to check out a Kathleen Turner video, and practice.
| 859 |
Sco Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:03:28pm |
832 - His "typical white person" comment notwithstanding, I doubt that O is a racist, however, he certainly has no problem associating with folks that are are radicals and in some cases, racists. Longstanding, personal associations. That says something about who he is at his core, don't you think ?
It is reasonable to question O's values and questionable associations, and I do.
Bill Parcells - football coach - has a saying ...you are who your record says you are.
O's record (his own + his formative associations) says a lot about who he is.
| 861 |
Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:04:09pm |
re: #852 albusteve
they can, but what's the real political benefit?...does he gain favor for being tough?, or lose it for appearing wimpy?..either way it does not seem to me to be a bad strategy to ignore Fox...not to is worse imo
The appearance of wimpiness on the part of the White House is hard to take seriously coming from the home of Glenn "The Weeper" Beck.
| 863 |
Kragar Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:04:37pm |
re: #847 jaunte
O'Reilly currently advising us that "there are more gaps in Evolution."
There's a bigger gap between his ears
| 864 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:04:38pm |
Here's a blogger who's keeping an eye on the EDL message boards...
Exposing the English Defence League
Threads such as...
Here are EDL members who admit that they have voted for the BNP, so that's settled then, the EDL DOES HAVE BNP supporters
EDL member questions the Holocaust
...etc
| 865 |
Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:04:49pm |
re: #856 rwdflynavy
How can you possibly say that?
It's pretty easy, after watching him these past few years.
| 866 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:05:03pm |
re: #861 Sharmuta
The appearance of wimpiness on the part of the White House is hard to take seriously coming from the home of Glenn "The Weeper" Beck.
haha!...touche!
| 867 |
sngnsgt Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:05:08pm |
re: #847 jaunte
O'Reilly currently advising us that "there are more gaps in Evolution."
You mean like the one between his ears?
| 868 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:05:13pm |
re: #857 Charles
I was hoping he'd cool down and apologize. Oh, well.
| 869 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:06:21pm |
re: #865 Coracle
It's pretty easy, after watching him these past few years.
So the church and Wright count for nothing because you've been watching him for a couple years? Those are facts by the way.
| 870 |
Bagua Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:07:30pm |
| 871 |
wrenchwench Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:07:45pm |
re: #868 Killgore Trout
I was hoping he'd cool down and apologize. Oh, well.
I think he intended to get banned today. If that's not the case, then he has a temper which he lost control of today.
| 872 |
Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:08:07pm |
re: #869 rwdflynavy
So the church and Wright count for nothing because you've been watching him for a couple years? Those are facts by the way.
Yes. Clearly it made a militant black religious ideologue and rendered him unfit for the presidency. Everybody agreed.
| 873 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:08:14pm |
| 874 |
ArchangelMichael Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:08:19pm |
re: #868 Killgore Trout
I was hoping he'd cool down and apologize. Oh, well.
I think, although I wish it weren't true, that it was obvious that this was slowly building up over a long time.
| 875 |
winemaker Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:08:30pm |
So Obama has started a White House "enemies list"?
Oh my, how Nixonian of them...
| 876 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:09:13pm |
re: #872 Coracle
Yes. Clearly it made a militant black religious ideologue and rendered him unfit for the presidency. Everybody agreed.
You sounded confused earlier if he I was stating facts about his church membership and relationship with Wright.
| 878 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:09:52pm |
re: #868 Killgore Trout
I was hoping he'd cool down and apologize. Oh, well.
who knows where they land?
| 879 |
bratwurst Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:09:58pm |
If the WH spokesperson here had been male, I wonder what complaint would replace comments on Ms. Dunn's "whiny voice".
| 880 |
Bagua Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:10:03pm |
re: #859 Sco
832 - [...]
It is reasonable to question O's values and questionable associations, and I do.Bill Parcells - football coach - has a saying ...you are who your record says you are.
O's record (his own + his formative associations) says a lot about who he is.
Perhaps, but your choice for an avatar shows your opinion on the President to be anything but reasonable, a better choice of words would be "biases."
| 881 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:11:14pm |
re: #872 Coracle
Yes. Clearly it made a militant black religious ideologue and rendered him unfit for the presidency. Everybody agreed.
BO is unfit to be POTUS...the fact that he is does not alter his massive shortcomings
| 883 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:11:56pm |
re: #871 wrenchwench
I think he intended to get banned today. If that's not the case, then he has a temper which he lost control of today.
he's been pissed for months
| 884 |
Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:12:31pm |
re: #876 rwdflynavy
You sounded confused earlier if he I was stating facts about his church membership and relationship with Wright.
I know all about it. It was hard not to have your eardrums blown out about it during the election cycle. It was as important then as it is now. The fears of the Wright concern-trolls have yet to emerge.
| 885 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:13:02pm |
re: #872 Coracle
Yes. Clearly it made a militant black religious ideologue and rendered him unfit for the presidency. Everybody agreed.
Ah yes, Reductio ad absurdum, the triumph of intellectual discussions! Well played//
| 886 |
Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:13:57pm |
re: #857 Charles
Buzzsawmonkey is now at the stalker site.
Thereby removing the last scintilla of doubt for anyone here who still thought he was not a complete and utter creep. Even creepier is what he posted - a parody of a poem about a man talking about a painting of his wife - whom he has murdered.
| 887 |
Achilles Tang Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:15:10pm |
re: #750 Jimmah
Personally, I find melting down in a disgusting torrent of abusive, often deeply misogynistic comments to be a rather weak 'debating tactic'. Not one I would choose to employ.
I think we were not thinking of the same posts, and I didn't witness the meltdown, nor the misogyny.
| 888 |
Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:15:16pm |
re: #881 albusteve
BO is unfit to be POTUS...
Few of us are. Nearly half the country has thought the same way about each president for decades.
| 889 |
Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:15:21pm |
re: #886 Jimmah
Thereby removing the last scintilla of doubt for anyone here who still thought he was not a complete and utter creep. Even creepier is what he posted - a parody of a poem about a man talking about a painting of his wife - whom he has murdered.
Dude, that was awesomely convoluted!
| 890 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:16:08pm |
re: #884 Coracle
I know all about it. It was hard not to have your eardrums blown out about it during the election cycle. It was as important then as it is now. The fears of the Wright concern-trolls have yet to emerge.
You're right on that score, at least. Wright seems not to have affected him in his thinking or actions. It's odd, though, that he could be around him for so long and retain what amounts to a moderate (albeit left) orientation on the issue. It's another puzzling thing about the guy - he hung out with some fairly radical types, many of whom thought awfully highly of the guy and were pleased to associate with him, and yet he himself does not seem to have shared much in the way of their ideology. It's almost as if either he was underestimated by these folk, who though to use him for their own benefit, or he played them brilliantly, and managed to use them to attain his own ends. He's either unflappably reasonable or cynical, depending on your perspective.
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albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:16:30pm |
re: #888 Coracle
Few of us are. Nearly half the country has thought the same way about each president for decades.
BO is less fit by historic proportion than any president in the history of the US...just to pin it for you
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Achilles Tang Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:16:56pm |
re: #886 Jimmah
Thereby removing the last scintilla of doubt for anyone here who still thought he was not a complete and utter creep. Even creepier is what he posted - a parody of a poem about a man talking about a painting of his wife - whom he has murdered.
I was wondering if he would go there. I guess I have to retract my sigh.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:17:14pm |
re: #869 rwdflynavy
So the church and Wright count for nothing because you've been watching him for a couple years? Those are facts by the way.
Wright does not count for nothing. The super far left associations of Obama have always been the most troubling part of him for me. However, Obama is a politician. That is to say, he worked with the base of his constituents and went to bed with some bad partners for no more or less than your standard craven political reasons.
It is in of itself not so different than the GOP folks who pay lip service to the equally odious religious right.
My fear was that he actually believed all that crap. The fact that Obama has almost gleefully put these folks under the bus makes me happy.
Now, does this mark Obama as the most honest fellow, given that he used some freaky people to help launch his political career? Of course not. However, I would much rather that than him actually believing the nonsense.
People like Huckabee and Palin et al, actually believe the nonsense. Futher they translate that crap into policy. As a for instance, the thing that caused me to despise Palin completely is an example of this. She was opposed to rape kits - and hence blocked them as best she could, that included emergency contraception.
So let's consider this... Ms. Palin, decided for raped women everywhere under her jurisdiction would have to, if they were impregnated by a rapist, carry the child to term, or seek an abortion at a later stage. G-d forbid, you just prevent implantation.
Whatever one's views on the abortion issue are, you have to be rather extreme to think that concern for a not yet implanted zygote - which still has an easily countable number of cells - as in hundreds at most - out-weighs the idea that a raped woman might be devastated by the idea of carrying her rapist's child.
This is just one example.
The fact is that Obama is a politician, but not a nut.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:17:21pm |
re: #886 Jimmah
Even creepier is what he posted - a parody of a poem about a man talking about a painting of his wife - whom he has murdered.
Staring Charles. Is that a threat?
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Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:17:22pm |
re: #891 albusteve
BO is less fit by historic proportion than any president in the history of the US...just to pin it for you
A fine opinion. You are entitled to it.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:17:40pm |
re: #824 boyo
from quranicstudies(.)com
"Jihad is simply the process of "exerting the best efforts," involving some form of "struggle" and "resistance," to achieve a particular goal. In other words, jihad is the struggle against, or resistance to, something for the sake of a goal. The meaning of the word is independent of the nature of the invested efforts or the sought goal."wonder why Bill would use that particular word...hmm...
Are you trying to convince us here that "jihad" is a nothing more than a simple "process" of "exerting best efforts" to achieve a goal?
Or are you saying O'Reilly used too strong a term?
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Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:18:06pm |
re: #887 Naso Tang
I think we were not thinking of the same posts, and I didn't witness the meltdown, nor the misogyny.
Those comments were deleted. But this sort of thing has been going on for a while as I said - it was far from being an isolated incident.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:18:18pm |
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albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:18:24pm |
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The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:18:31pm |
re: #887 Naso Tang
I think we were not thinking of the same posts, and I didn't witness the meltdown, nor the misogyny.
Then you don't know what we're all talking about.
re: #886 Jimmah
Thereby removing the last scintilla of doubt for anyone here who still thought he was not a complete and utter creep. Even creepier is what he posted - a parody of a poem about a man talking about a painting of his wife - whom he has murdered.
Oh dear, Jimmah, I think you are so rude! You are making the problem worse! Don't you know the real problem isn't what people on the griefhole sites do, it's all of us talking about it?
/
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Sco Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:19:00pm |
re: #880 Bagua
Perhaps, but your choice for an avatar shows your opinion on the President to be anything but reasonable, a better choice of words would be "biases."
Who are you to claim that if one doesn't approve of the President that they are "anything but reasonable" ? All it shows is how close-minded and intolerant you are.
My opinion of the President and my biases (if any) are clearly articulated on my blog.
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albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:19:05pm |
re: #897 Jimmah
Those comments were deleted. But this sort of thing has been going on for a while as I said - it was far from being an isolated incident.
do we need a thread for this subject?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:19:09pm |
re: #857 Charles
Buzzsawmonkey is now at the stalker site.
Is there now end to this insanity? I feel like both my party and the majority of my (former) online friends have gone crazy. How the hell did this happen? And BSM is the bitterest pill of all. By turning on Charles, who had never been anything other than decent to him, BSM has gone from making me laugh to making me angry. He seems to have forgotten that you can disagree with Charles without needing to flounce or stalk.
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Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:20:02pm |
re: #889 rwdflynavy
Dude, that was awesomely convoluted!
Even creepier is what he posted - a parody of a poem in which a man talks about a painting of his wife, whom he has murdered.
Better?
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:20:47pm |
re: #904 Jimmah
Even creepier is what he posted - a parody of a poem in which a man talks about a painting of his wife, whom he has murdered.
Better?
You misunderstand Jimmah, I liked it!
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:21:19pm |
re: #686 Coracle
Jesus H. Listen to yourself. Who do you think you're mocking?
That's what many people at home and abroad hope he'll turn out to be. At some point in his presidency he'll encounter an issue in which American interests are squarely at odds with international opinion, and then I guess we'll see, won't we?
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Bagua Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:21:24pm |
re: #901 Sco
Who are you to claim that if one doesn't approve of the President that they are "anything but reasonable" ? All it shows is how close-minded and intolerant you are.
My opinion of the President and my biases (if any) are clearly articulated on my blog.
You had a patently offensive and derisive avatar which you only removed when challenged. QED anything you have to say about our President is coloured by bias.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:21:53pm |
re: #904 Jimmah
Even creepier is what he posted - a parody of a poem in which a man talks about a painting of his wife, whom he has murdered.
Better?
I didn't see any of the posts in question, but was working hard to picture what you described.
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Bagua Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:22:23pm |
re: #887 Naso Tang
I think we were not thinking of the same posts, and I didn't witness the meltdown, nor the misogyny.
I recall the posts that Iceweasel is referring to, I agree with her assessment.
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boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:23:27pm |
re: #896 reine.de.tout
Are you trying to convince us here that "jihad" is a nothing more than a simple "process" of "exerting best efforts" to achieve a goal?
Or are you saying O'Reilly used too strong a term?
I didnt make up that definition ,I always thought that word meant "war" but I got to reading on it and it doesnt necessarily mean that...and I was wondering how it fit into what Bill was speaking about.
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TheRealThing Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:23:42pm |
Well, I can keep up in a hard boiled depostion but this blog stuff is so hard to learn.What is going on is all I can come up with.
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Digital Display Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:24:46pm |
re: #868 Killgore Trout
I was hoping he'd cool down and apologize. Oh, well.
Nope..I'm sorry but there has been a email Campaign from old timers to leave here and start a new blog...Once OR left..Buzzsaw was following...
So this is what you call class and grace? You fall in with Stalkers because IceWeasel made you crawl into a corner in the fetal position and suck your thumb? This was planned for several weeks...
Really..Nobody is buying the Bullshit...You showed your colors here...
No one in the whole fucking world didn't respect your opinions on the Internet.. Too bad you didn't respect our view and felt you had to trash other lizards..
Have your people send me another email you pieces of shit...There isn't enough money in the world to buy you some class...
You feeling me now?
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Sco Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:24:50pm |
re: #893 LudwigVanQuixote
Wright does not count for nothing. The super far left associations of Obama have always been the most troubling part of him for me. However, Obama is a politician. That is to say, he worked with the base of his constituents and went to bed with some bad partners for no more or less than your standard craven political reasons.
The fact is that Obama is a politician, but not a nut.
Yes, Ludwig, I agree ... he is a POLITICIAN .. a very good one ... not a nut ... but not some magical transformative figure either.
Plus, his worldview and biases are ones that I am uncomfortable with; and his experience and qualifications I find wanting.
Other than that, he 's just great.
But another politician he is, and that in itself is bad (as most politicians stink).
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Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:25:05pm |
re: #906 The Sanity Inspector
That's what many people at home and abroad hope he'll turn out to be. At some point in his presidency he'll encounter an issue in which American interests are squarely at odds with international opinion, and then I guess we'll see, won't we?
I suppose if you think he doesn't actually have America's interests at heart then that would be a legitimate question.
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Bloodnok Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:25:59pm |
re: #904 Jimmah
Even creepier is what he posted - a parody of a poem in which a man talks about a painting of his wife, whom he has murdered.
Better?
This might actually be creepier. (from upstairs)
Buzzsawmonkey went directly to the stalker blog, by the way, and has a new name for me -- "Internet Manson."
In case anyone still thought I was being too harsh by banning him.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:27:23pm |
re: #897 Jimmah
Those comments were deleted. But this sort of thing has been going on for a while as I said - it was far from being an isolated incident.
For whatever reason, and I am not here as often as he was, I didn't notice him much for some time now. Perhaps different topic interests.
All I can say is that I admired his word skills, which is not the same as admiring anything else. After my first run ins, regarding the origins of morality I think, I left him alone because I felt he would just lose his temper at some point in an argument.
| 917 |
Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:29:03pm |
re: #900 iceweasel
Oh dear, Jimmah, I think you are so rude! You are making the problem worse! Don't you know the real problem isn't what people on the griefhole sites do, it's all of us talking about it?
/
Heh - I remember you recently proposed that we rename that particular grief-hole "The Douche." Seems particularly fitting at the moment, particularly with regard to it's newest arrival.
"You've reached the top...the pinnacle of douchedom...
Good going Douche...your dreams have come 2.0"
(ps that's infamous youtube creationist venomfangx pictured here, in case anyone is wondering)
| 918 |
Sco Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:30:08pm |
re: #907 Bagua
You had a patently offensive and derisive avatar which you only removed when challenged. QED anything you have to say about our President is coloured by bias.
You are being ridiculous. To follow your "logic" if I find you to be offensive, anything you have to say about our Dear Leader (or anything else) is colored by bias. There you have it.
| 919 |
Achilles Tang Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:30:10pm |
re: #902 albusteve
do we need a thread for this subject?
No, but it is interesting isn't it? Why people do what they.
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Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:31:38pm |
re: #902 albusteve
do we need a thread for this subject?
Bs monkey didn't want us to talk about banned assholes who were posting over there either. Just sayin'.
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Liberal Classic Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:31:55pm |
re: #893 LudwigVanQuixote
We also benefit from a system of checks and balances. The president still has to work through congress, laws must pass constitutional muster, etc. Pres. Obama may desire a more radical platform but must work within the confines of the structure of the government. He may realize that achieving part of his agenda is better than achieving none of it, and is working towards what he feels is possible in the current political climate. The current climate is favorable, as his party nominally controls congress, but all the same he doesn't have carte blanche. He may even feel the need to put aside some of his own agenda in an attempt to represent the nation as a whole. I'd like to believe this is true, and hope he aspires to be something more than just the first "black president".
| 923 |
Bagua Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:33:16pm |
re: #918 Sco
You are being ridiculous. To follow your "logic" if I find you to be offensive, anything you have to say about our Dear Leader (or anything else) is colored by bias. There you have it.
Just the fact that you run a blog dedicated to attacking the President supports my claim. Here is your opening post in your own words:
I created this blog to have a forum where I could post information and opinion about the Obama administration that I consider to be relevant and newsworthy. In many instances, these posts will be a vehicle for expressing my disagreement and frustration with President Obama and his adminstration
.
That you posted that offensive icon, and now refer to the POTUS as "Dear Leader" just adds confirmation. You can pretend all you want and engage in insults, but my observation stands.
| 924 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:33:43pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:33:49pm |
re: #914 Coracle
I suppose if you think he doesn't actually have America's interests at heart then that would be a legitimate question.
My question is, will he recognize what America's interests are? A lifetime of Chicago community activism as opposed to engagement with the free market and the bedrock principles of American life may have caused him to sink very different roots than other Presidents. I'll grant him his good intentions, no worries on that score.
| 926 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:34:08pm |
re: #919 Naso Tang
No, but it is interesting isn't it? Why people do what they.
it's lurid...just beating a dead horse...the blowback says as much as the incident itself...people oozing with joy, and stern opinions, dissecting and analyzing...it's worse than the blocked account itself imo...poor style...let it go
| 927 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:34:44pm |
| 928 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:34:56pm |
re: #921 Jimmah
Bs monkey didn't want us to talk about banned assholes who were posting over there either. Just sayin'.
say what you want...you are no threat to me
| 929 |
Coracle Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:36:03pm |
re: #925 The Sanity Inspector
My question is, will he recognize what America's interests are? A lifetime of Chicago community activism as opposed to engagement with the free market and the bedrock principles of American life may have caused him to sink very different roots than other Presidents. I'll grant him his good intentions, no worries on that score.
A donut says in 20 years he'll be perceived as rather less myopic internationally than the previous President.
| 930 |
bratwurst Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:37:12pm |
re: #918 Sco
To follow your "logic" if I find you to be offensive, anything you have to say about our Dear Leader (or anything else) is colored by bias.
You don't have to like or support the President of the United States, but I can't accept comparing him to Kim Jong Il. Sorry.
(Cue : "but look what liberals did to Bush in 3...2...1...)
| 931 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:38:18pm |
re: #903 Dark_Falcon
Is there now end to this insanity? I feel like both my party and the majority of my (former) online friends have gone crazy. How the hell did this happen? And BSM is the bitterest pill of all. By turning on Charles, who had never been anything other than decent to him, BSM has gone from making me laugh to making me angry. He seems to have forgotten that you can disagree with Charles without needing to flounce or stalk.
DF - I'm with you. I am at a complete loss.
The last few posts by BSM were like nothing I've ever seen from him. Like a different person.
| 932 |
Sco Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:41:03pm |
re: #923 Bagua
Again, you show your intolerance. Your words betray you.
To you, expressing "disagreement & frustration" = "attacking".
So much for "dissent beeing the highest form of patriotism". That seems to have gone out of vogue for folks like you.
Which is also why O can't get anything done in bipartisan fashion, since his definition of bipartisan involves getting 1 or 2 republicans to simply agree with him for political cover.
| 933 |
Bagua Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:44:59pm |
re: #932 Sco
Again, you show your intolerance. Your words betray you.
[...]
My intolerance? My words? Here are a couple of your words showing your tolerance:
First, the term “homophobe” is an ugly epithet designed to stigmatize (“he’s the sicko”) those who don’t embrace the homosexual agenda. It’s intended to cut off serious discussion, not to promote it. It doesn’t belong in public discourse.
What is this "homosexual agenda" of which you speak? More "dissent."?
| 934 |
The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:49:32pm |
re: #926 albusteve
it's lurid...just beating a dead horse...the blowback says as much as the incident itself...people oozing with joy, and stern opinions, dissecting and analyzing...it's worse than the blocked account itself imo...poor style...let it go
Um, no. Why are you pretending that a douchebag who called other posters pigs, bitches, assholes and scumbags, who finally earned a banning for a comment even worse than those, is somehow holy and untouchable-- because the douchebag is now at a site where the owner of this blog is regularly slandered and threatened-- and others posters here are as well?
I'll tell you what says something: your desire to defend that douchebag and pretend criticising him is worse (YOUR words) than what he did to get banned.
| 935 |
Sco Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:49:35pm |
re: #930 bratwurst
You don't have to like or support the President of the United States, but I can't accept comparing him to Kim Jong Il. Sorry.
(Cue : "but look what liberals did to Bush in 3...2...1...)
Bratwurst, I know I am not alone in seeing a kind of creepy "cult of personality" around the Obama phenomenon.
| 936 |
The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:50:18pm |
re: #931 reine.de.tout
DF - I'm with you. I am at a complete loss.
The last few posts by BSM were like nothing I've ever seen from him. Like a different person.
He's done it before and I have the links. Not an isolated incident.
| 937 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:51:12pm |
| 938 |
bratwurst Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:51:24pm |
re: #935 Sco
Bratwurst, I know I am not alone in seeing a kind of creepy "cult of personality" around the Obama phenomenon.
No, but people interested in honest and intelligent exchange with people who they don't see eye-to-eye with refrain from calling the President by the same name used for Kim Jong Il.
| 939 |
freetoken Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:52:46pm |
re: #934 iceweasel
Um, no. Why are you pretending that a douchebag who called other posters pigs, bitches, assholes and scumbags,...
Gee, all I ever got from him was that I am "simpleminded"... oh, there was one other too, I think it was "idiot".
/I always miss all the fun...
| 940 |
Bagua Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:53:52pm |
re: #935 Sco
Bratwurst, I know I am not alone in seeing a kind of creepy "cult of personality" around the Obama phenomenon.
No you are not alone, as the copius links on your blog to Atlas, Hotair, and other fellow travelers from the wing-nut-osphere indicate who share your bias.
Obama doesn't give a damn about the 1 million + ObamaCare protestors in DC yesterday. Or the rest of us that don't like what he's selling
1 million, LOL.
| 941 |
Sco Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:56:02pm |
re: #933 Bagua
What is this "homosexual agenda" of which you speak? More "dissent."?
Those are not my words, you bozo. I have no idea what you are talking about.
I will assume that what you cut & pasted is a portion of someone else's commentary that I put up there relating to one of Obama's controversial appointments.
The fact that I just looked for what you were referring to and can't even find it indicates to me that you purposefully and knowingly mean to distort what is on my blog.
| 942 |
webevintage Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:57:41pm |
re: #832 Coracle
But that wasn't the claim, was it. Do you think Obama is a racist?
I'm still wondering what "white culture" is...
| 943 |
Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:58:03pm |
re: #928 albusteve
say what you want...you are no threat to me
I think you misinterpreted my comment. My point was simply that people who pull this 'lets not talk about it' shit the way you are now always seem to end up over there.
It's been totally exposed as concern trolling as far as I'm concerned.
| 945 |
Sco Mon, Oct 12, 2009 6:59:40pm |
re: #938 bratwurst
No, but people interested in honest and intelligent exchange with people who they don't see eye-to-eye with refrain from calling the President by the same name used for Kim Jong Il.
Whatever ...
| 946 |
Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:00:22pm |
re: #934 iceweasel
Um, no. Why are you pretending that a douchebag who called other posters pigs, bitches, assholes and scumbags, who finally earned a banning for a comment even worse than those, is somehow holy and untouchable-- because the douchebag is now at a site where the owner of this blog is regularly slandered and threatened-- and others posters here are as well?
Totally agreed. One would think he'd gone to heaven or something...
;-)
| 947 |
bratwurst Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:00:54pm |
| 948 |
Sco Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:01:16pm |
re: #940 Bagua
1 million, LOL.
Trust me that I have many more links to LGF on my site than all of the others you cite. And even the occasional Huffpo ! But probably not Kos.
| 950 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:02:23pm |
re: #932 Sco
Again, you show your intolerance. Your words betray you.
To you, expressing "disagreement & frustration" = "attacking".
So much for "dissent beeing the highest form of patriotism". That seems to have gone out of vogue for folks like you.
Which is also why O can't get anything done in bipartisan fashion, since his definition of bipartisan involves getting 1 or 2 republicans to simply agree with him for political cover.
Umm largely because the standard lock step GOP response to anything he does is derision. You would think that the GOP might like the olympics for instance.
| 951 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:03:32pm |
| 952 |
tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:03:56pm |
re: #832 Coracle
I'd never disrespect the president by calling him a racist, but I would refer to his own words... he said not to judge him by what was written about him, but by the people he chooses to put in place around him and by whom he associates with. I'm assuming that standard can be applied retroactively to at least some time before January of 2009...
| 953 |
RogueOne Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:07:03pm |
Man, miss an hour and I'll have to play catch up for days.
| 955 |
MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:07:59pm |
Congratulations, buzz, if you're reading this...by joining the ranks of the stalkers, you've managed to lose whatever respect or kinship anyone ever had for you here. From what I've been told, this isn't the first time you've been an asshole to other posters...Charles got fed up with it today and (rightfully) gave you the boot. You (and the rest of the stalkers) chosen the bad craziness over logic, reason. and respect and that's unforgivable.
Buzz, now that's out of the way, you and the rest of the stalkers/haters/loons can cordially piss off...
| 956 |
Bagua Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:09:07pm |
re: #948 Sco
Trust me that I have many more links to LGF on my site than all of the others you cite. And even the occasional Huffpo ! But probably not Kos.
I don't need to "trust you," a cursory glance at your blog reveals that you link to a wide variety of sources that fit your agenda of attacking the President.
How you can link to that and hold yourself up as "unbiased" and me as a "Bozo" for pointing out your bias is difficult to explain.
You are a hyper-partisan with an unhealthy obsession with the President. Your initial choice of avatar, which you display proudly on your blog ObamaNation proves my point. Wiggle, squirm and insult me if you please, but my observation is certainly accurate.
| 957 |
boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:10:32pm |
re: #954 shaker
MSNBC, CNN, the major broadcast networks, the ny times, washington post and the LA Times all worked very hard to get Obama elected. You don't hear John McCain complaining.
so the votes at election time were meaningless?
| 958 |
Sco Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:10:46pm |
re: #944 Bagua
Ah ... you link to a blog entry critical of Barney Frank, a particularly loathsome and powerful Congressman who I am no fan of.
The post simply re-posts a couple of blog posts by some NRO writers, one of whom was quoting Barney Frank. Here is what it said:
"Barney Frank’s Name-Calling [Ed Whelan]
Barney Frank’s attack on Justice Scalia as a “homophobe” is inane at several levels:
First, the term “homophobe” is an ugly epithet designed to stigmatize (“he’s the sicko”) those who don’t embrace the homosexual agenda. It’s intended to cut off serious discussion, not to promote it. It doesn’t belong in public discourse."
Now, Bagua, what you did was clearly lazy and sleazy. You cut and pasted bits of this to try to make it seem that I was making some ugly comments, which I cleary was not. I have seen this happen to Charles many times in the media, being blamed for someone's comments on the site. What you are doing is no different.
It is dishonest.
You can, and should do better.
Feel free to read my blog. But don't feel free to mis-represent me or what's on it b/c you may disagree politically.
| 959 |
Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:11:50pm |
re: #931 reine.de.tout
DF - I'm with you. I am at a complete loss.
The last few posts by BSM were like nothing I've ever seen from him. Like a different person.
I'd seen posts like that by him many times, Reine. Nothing new to me at all. I can show you a while shitload of threads, some involving myself, where you can see him losing the argument and going off his rocker just like that if you want.
| 960 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:11:56pm |
re: #934 iceweasel
Um, no. Why are you pretending that a douchebag who called other posters pigs, bitches, assholes and scumbags, who finally earned a banning for a comment even worse than those, is somehow holy and untouchable-- because the douchebag is now at a site where the owner of this blog is regularly slandered and threatened-- and others posters here are as well?
I'll tell you what says something: your desire to defend that douchebag and pretend criticising him is worse (YOUR words) than what he did to get banned.
I might defend a poster when I think they have been unfairly attacked...after it escalates I lose interest, except with regard to keeping a fight going...you have your own faults just like the rest of us
| 961 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:14:17pm |
re: #943 Jimmah
I think you misinterpreted my comment. My point was simply that people who pull this 'lets not talk about it' shit the way you are now always seem to end up over there.
It's been totally exposed as concern trolling as far as I'm concerned.
in all my time here I've held the same point of view...blocked posters are gone and it does no good to stoke resentment on either side of support...I have no beef with anybody past a few posts or so...
| 962 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:14:56pm |
| 963 |
Sco Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:16:49pm |
re: #956 Bagua
I don't need to "trust you," a cursory glance at your blog reveals that you link to a wide variety of sources that fit your agenda of attacking the President.
How you can link to that and hold yourself up as "unbiased" and me as a "Bozo" for pointing out your bias is difficult to explain.
You are a hyper-partisan with an unhealthy obsession with the President. Your initial choice of avatar, which you display proudly on your blog ObamaNation proves my point. Wiggle, squirm and insult me if you please, but my observation is certainly accurate.
I am entitled to blog my thoughts; or link to articles I like or make a fair point, to my hearts content.
To spend all your time here nitpicking my blog to prove (to yourself) my biases while denying your own is unhealthy, pal.
If you liked my blog or my biases or my avatar; I'm sure you'd find it very healthy. But you don't. Do you think I really care ?
How about I leave it with this ... everything you say is right. You are the best, smartest, most handsome anonymous blog commenter I have ever seen. Thank you for pointing out all of my unhealthy flaws. I promise to do better; I live to please you.
| 964 |
Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:17:53pm |
re: #960 albusteve
I might defend a poster when I think they have been unfairly attacked...after it escalates I lose interest, except with regard to keeping a fight going...you have your own faults just like the rest of us
We have been through this several times before. There people are giving their version of events on the stalker blog and some people from here are reading that blog. They need to hear the real story from us, not just the fantasy inverted reality version according to those idiots.
| 965 |
Bagua Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:18:46pm |
re: #958 Sco
[...]
Now, Bagua, what you did was clearly lazy and sleazy. You cut and pasted bits of this to try to make it seem that I was making some ugly comments, which I cleary was not. I have seen this happen to Charles many times in the media, being blamed for someone's comments on the site. What you are doing is no different.
It is dishonest.
You can, and should do better.
Feel free to read my blog. But don't feel free to mis-represent me or what's on it b/c you may disagree politically.
Now who is dishonest? That was not a "comment" on your blog, it was on the main post. If it was another persons words then you posted them uncritically.
How are these words (clearly yours) for showing objectivity:
basically, calls Obama a liar (and its hard to argue w/ that !). A must read imo.
No bias here on "ObamaNation" the blog
Wiggle, parse and spin, but it is obvious you are biased against President Obama.
| 966 |
Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:19:33pm |
re: #961 albusteve
in all my time here I've held the same point of view...blocked posters are gone and it does no good to stoke resentment on either side of support...I have no beef with anybody past a few posts or so...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I suggest you take it up with Charles if you are unhappy about this.
| 967 |
bratwurst Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:20:04pm |
re: #963 Sco
How about I leave it with this ... everything you say is right. You are the best, smartest, most handsome anonymous blog commenter I have ever seen. Thank you for pointing out all of my unhealthy flaws. I promise to do better; I live to please you.
Classy.
| 968 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:22:05pm |
re: #963 Sco
Another comment, another blast of butthurt. You made a bad analogy, and Bagua called you on it. Instead of admitting an error or engaging in a reasonable discussion of why you felt the analogy appropriate, you chose to answer with snark and insults. I've seen this sort of hostility before, and it tends to end with the butthurt jerk getting the stick. Take my advice and cool it.
| 969 |
Bagua Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:23:16pm |
re: #963 Sco
I am entitled to blog my thoughts; or link to articles I like or make a fair point, to my hearts content.
To spend all your time here nitpicking my blog to prove (to yourself) my biases while denying your own is unhealthy, pal.
If you liked my blog or my biases or my avatar; I'm sure you'd find it very healthy. But you don't. Do you think I really care ?
How about I leave it with this ... everything you say is right. You are the best, smartest, most handsome anonymous blog commenter I have ever seen. Thank you for pointing out all of my unhealthy flaws. I promise to do better; I live to please you.
Oh I see, it is "freedom of speech" now. I pointed out your opinions of Obama indicated bias and cited your own blog as evidence. Your failure to make a rational argument in opposition merely demonstrates my observation.
Concede the point or continue to appear ridiculous.
| 970 |
Sco Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:24:08pm |
re: #965 Bagua
No bias here on "ObamaNation" the blog
Wiggle, parse and spin, but it is obvious you are biased against President Obama.
Bagua, I will concede you this. On my blog, I am often critical of the President. I criticize him about many things where I think he or his administration deserve criticism. Included in the criticism are the following topics where I, and many others, have taken issue:
Health Care
The Budget
The Stimulus
Israel
Iran
Afghanistan
Certain appointees
Sotomayor
The criticism is usually done in a reasonable and thoughtful manner.
That is true, no matter what you may hyperventilate about here.
Now go back to being your close minded self and stop bothering me.
| 971 |
erraticsphinx Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:26:24pm |
Where is that butthurt video when you need it?
| 972 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:27:21pm |
re: #970 Sco
And with your distortions and putting words in Bagua's mouth, you've just maxed out the meter:
| 973 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:28:44pm |
re: #465 Charles
Starting now, registered users will not be able to rate comments, entries, or links unless they have posted at least 50 comments.
Even though this change filled me with impotent rage because I thought I was being a rather responsible lurking rater, I have to admit that it was a smart & necessary move.
| 974 |
bratwurst Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:28:50pm |
re: #970 Sco
The criticism is usually done in a reasonable and thoughtful manner.
Does calling him "Dear Leader" qualify there?
| 975 |
Bagua Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:29:48pm |
re: #970 Sco
[...]
The criticism is usually done in a reasonable and thoughtful manner.
That is true, no matter what you may hyperventilate about here.Now go back to being your close minded self and stop bothering me.
Yes, I am aware that you consider naming your blog "ObamaNation" and having the Obama/Joker picture as your avatar represent "a reasonable and thoughtful manner."
Which is why I pointed out that you were biased against Obama. I really wish you wouldn't keep making my points for me, I prefer a bit of a challenge.
| 976 |
Liberal Classic Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:30:04pm |
re: #932 Sco
So much for "dissent beeing the highest form of patriotism".
I hear this a lot from people who seem to want a license to act up in the worst way like the far left did in the first term of the Bush administration.
| 977 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:30:43pm |
re: #966 Jimmah
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I suggest you take it up with Charles if you are unhappy about this.
I have almost no clue what's happening on other blogs, and I certainly don't support threats to anybody...my concern is the quality of this blog...it seems like alot of wasted energy and bandwidth to perpetuate the situation with even more attention...the continuous back and forth is boring and unproductive imo...but I understand your point of view and don'twant to minimize what you think is important, and expect you to feel the same way about the rest of us who are fed up with the whole scene...I don't presume to know how it will be resolved, if it even can be...
| 980 |
The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:39:18pm |
re: #946 Jimmah
Totally agreed. One would think he'd gone to heaven or something...
;-)
Apparently not, Jim-ski. :) If he'd ever spent seven minutes in heaven (let alone more) he might not be so creepily obsessed with fantasising about the sex lives of female posters he doesn't like. Even now, on the grief-hole blogs. I guess that is supposed to 'prove' he never said anything like that here, and never would. Well, we all know he's a liar. It wasn't the first time he lied about it.
Poor, sad, pooflinging monkey, chattering in rage, gnashing its teeth, impotently fapfapfaping away at the keyboard, wishing things were different...
Sniff.
| 981 |
bratwurst Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:40:13pm |
re: #978 Sco
You don't like what you see there; that's your problem. Don't read it.
I haven't and I won't. A few years ago were you ok with Bush being compared to Hitler and the notion that criticizing the president during wartime being tantamount to treason? Just wondering.
| 982 |
Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:40:38pm |
re: #977 albusteve
I have almost no clue what's happening on other blogs, and I certainly don't support threats to anybody...my concern is the quality of this blog...it seems like alot of wasted energy and bandwidth to perpetuate the situation with even more attention...the continuous back and forth is boring and unproductive imo...but I understand your point of view and don'twant to minimize what you think is important, and expect you to feel the same way about the rest of us who are fed up with the whole scene...I don't presume to know how it will be resolved, if it even can be...
It is not 'continous back and forth'. When an asshole like bs monkey is banned, and starts mouthing off some nonsense version of events on another blog, we set the record straight here. There aren't that many of them left here now, so hopefully there will be less occasion for this in future. But there will be mention as and where appropriate.
| 983 |
The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:41:29pm |
re: #971 erraticsphinx
Where is that butthurt video when you need it?
All five of them are right here, my friend. Jimmah and I made them. 5 videos, 5 wingnuts, 5 levels of butthurt.
Go forth and spread the word!
| 984 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:42:23pm |
re: #980 iceweasel
I've never heard this Air Supply song, ice. Thanks for posting it.
| 985 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:42:42pm |
re: #929 Coracle
A donut says in 20 years he'll be perceived as rather less myopic internationally than the previous President.
>:^) You're on! That's gonna be one stale donut, though...
| 986 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:42:54pm |
| 987 |
bratwurst Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:43:25pm |
re: #984 Dark_Falcon
I've never heard this Air Supply song, ice. Thanks for posting it.
Are you too young or were you simply in a coma during the early 80s? ;-)
| 989 |
boyo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:45:41pm |
re: #929 Coracle
A donut says in 20 years he'll be perceived as rather less myopic internationally than the previous President.
presidential donut...arrrggghhh
/homer off
| 990 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:46:16pm |
re: #978 Sco
Some of us are so tired of the over the top anti Bush anti Republican shrill crap we can not tolerate it even from our own "side". I'm one of those. All that patience for shrill is gone. I've not taken the time to read your blog for myself. I will. Its only fair given these exchanges. The revulsion against the over the top "he can do no right" kind of politics is exactly why I'm here. And that revulsion can be misplaced from time to time. Yes, I see folks more liberal, more conservative more whatever than me.
The best is the smart and sensible exchange here. I hope to se more of that in your blog.
| 991 |
The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:47:26pm |
re: #988 erraticsphinx
Oooh, cool.
We have other works in production, all of which will feature wingnutty goodness.
| 992 |
Bagua Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:48:04pm |
re: #978 Sco
I wasn't aware that having a blog to express one's opinions is "acting up in the worst way like the far left did".
Give the bizzarro comments a rest folks; I get it; some of you are liberals; some of you like Obama much more than I do; you really, really don't like to see him criticized.
I get it .
Now get over it. You don't like what you see there; that's your problem. Don't read it.
America is still a free country and the 1st amendment still applies.
You simpleton, "America is still a free country and the 1st amendment," cry me a river.
You posted your comments critical of Obama on this blog and chose as an avatar the offensive Obama as the Joker picture. I then observed that this showed you were biased against Obama, and now you are wittering on about the 1st amendment?
The very fact that you registered in 2005 and only now come out of hiding now to post obsessively against Obama is enough to prove you are an anti-Obama zealot. Your blog is merely confirmation.
| 993 |
Ramona Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:50:10pm |
re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"grown-ups in the media" , now that would be a revoultionary idea. I hear Dobbs is going over to Fox. He'll feel right at home there.
| 994 |
Ramona Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:53:30pm |
re: #90 theheat
One thing Fox "News" is good for right now - in Journalism class, as a How Not-to.
| 995 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:53:32pm |
re: #942 webevintage
I'm still wondering what "white culture" is...
I think it might involve making food out of Velveeta, but I know black people who do that too.
| 996 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:53:51pm |
re: #987 bratwurst
Are you too young or were you simply in a coma during the early 80s? ;-)
I've probably heard it, I just don't remember them singing it.
| 997 |
Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:54:06pm |
re: #980 iceweasel
Apparently not, Jim-ski. :) If he'd ever spent seven minutes in heaven (let alone more) he might not be so creepily obsessed with fantasising about the sex lives of female posters he doesn't like. Even now, on the grief-hole blogs. I guess that is supposed to 'prove' he never said anything like that here, and never would. Well, we all know he's a liar. It wasn't the first time he lied about it.
Poor, sad, pooflinging monkey, chattering in rage, gnashing its teeth, impotently fapfapfaping away at the keyboard, wishing things were different...
Sniff.
"B-but I'm part of the very fabric of LGF...what about my puns...my spiffily re-worded Gilbert and Sullivan verses...waaa...!"
| 998 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:54:09pm |
re: #982 Jimmah
It is not 'continous back and forth'. When an asshole like bs monkey is banned, and starts mouthing off some nonsense version of events on another blog, we set the record straight here. There aren't that many of them left here now, so hopefully there will be less occasion for this in future. But there will be mention as and where appropriate.
well I hope you don't assume that I don't care because I do...it's just that I say my piece once and that's it...with regard to this subject I check it to you and will try to get out of the way
| 999 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:54:57pm |
re: #959 Jimmah
I'd seen posts like that by him many times, Reine. Nothing new to me at all. I can show you a while shitload of threads, some involving myself, where you can see him losing the argument and going off his rocker just like that if you want.
Jimmah - I believe you. I just saw these last few here tonight, and some during the past few months that seemed out of character for the buzz I knew. I don't doubt that what you say is true - I just didn't see them.
| 1000 |
rwmofo Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:55:40pm |
re: #972 Dark_Falcon
Ahhh, the things I've learned here. Heh.
| 1001 |
Ramona Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:55:57pm |
Off topic
Has there been a recent rule change? I can't rate anyone anymore unless I've posted 50 commnets? So much for lurking. I've got 47 more comments to make before I can agree with anyone.
| 1002 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:56:07pm |
re: #993 Ramona
Dobbs to Fox?
Maybe I should watch less scifi. We all hear about matter and anti matter explosions and energy. But nobody explores matter and doesn't matter. This could be it.
| 1003 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:57:23pm |
re: #1001 Ramona
yes 50 comments to rate. Started today for good cause. Hang in there, you can rate by reply :)
| 1004 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:58:22pm |
re: #1001 Ramona
Off topic
Has there been a recent rule change? I can't rate anyone anymore unless I've posted 50 commnets? So much for lurking. I've got 47 more comments to make before I can agree with anyone.
there is good reason for it
| 1005 |
Ramona Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:58:58pm |
re: #470 Irish Rose
re: #465 CharlesStarting now, registered users will not be able to rate comments, entries, or links unless they have posted at least 50 comments.
Good move Charles, I was hoping you'd do that.
I have 46 more comments to post.
| 1006 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:59:23pm |
re: #1001 Ramona
Off topic
Has there been a recent rule change? I can't rate anyone anymore unless I've posted 50 commnets? So much for lurking. I've got 47 more comments to make before I can agree with anyone.
You'll be OK. Just chat for a bit...
| 1007 |
bratwurst Mon, Oct 12, 2009 7:59:48pm |
re: #996 Dark_Falcon
I've probably heard it, I just don't remember them singing it.
Yeah, realized it was a Badfinger/Nilsson cover and not one of their mega hits after I posted.
| 1008 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:01:01pm |
re: #995 SanFranciscoZionist
Wonder bread, Nascar, can't dance, "lets do lunch"...
| 1009 |
The Left Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:02:24pm |
re: #997 Jimmah
"B-but I'm part of the very fabric of LGF...what about my puns...my spiffily re-worded Gilbert and Sullivan verses...waaa...!"
Ha!
Poor, poor monkey. "This weasel creature appeared..."
| 1010 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:02:42pm |
re: #1007 bratwurst
Yeah, realized it was a Badfinger/Nilsson cover and not one of their mega hits after I posted.
Air Supply?...bwahahaha!...ooofff!
| 1011 |
freetoken Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:05:32pm |
| 1012 |
Aye Pod Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:07:52pm |
re: #1009 iceweasel
Ha!
Poor, poor monkey. "This weasel creature appeared..."
And the next thing you know...
| 1013 |
Ramona Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:08:10pm |
re: #465 Charles
Ok, I finally got down thread enough to find your original statement.
Starting now, registered users will not be able to rate comments, entries, or links unless they have posted at least 50 comments.
I'm not great with words, don't often post comments. But I do enjoy encouraging those who have a wonderful way with words.
Serious question - what is the rationale behind this?
| 1014 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:08:31pm |
re: #1010 albusteve
Air Supply?...bwahahaha!...ooofff!
At their height, they were pretty good. They were nothing compared to U2, but then again bands save the Stones and the Beetles (both of whom were/are even greater) measure up to that standard.
| 1015 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:08:42pm |
re: #929 Coracle
A donut says in 20 years he'll be perceived as rather less myopic internationally than the previous President.
And then again, perceived by whom? Remember, the French and Germans during the run-up to the Iraq war were simply trying to save their customer, Saddam. And now they presume to give or deny plaudits for international sensitivity to us? There's any number of two word retorts to that, the most civil of which is probably "Spare us".
| 1016 |
freetoken Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:09:34pm |
| 1017 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:10:10pm |
re: #1015 The Sanity Inspector
I would have gone with "bite me". Less civil alas.
| 1018 |
jaunte Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:10:29pm |
re: #1013 Ramona
Ok, I finally got down thread enough to find your original statement.
I'm not great with words, don't often post comments. But I do enjoy encouraging those who have a wonderful way with words.
Serious question - what is the rationale behind this?
He's raising the bar a bit for the truly disturbed people who register here only to dig down comments, and not to participate.
| 1019 |
albusteve Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:10:35pm |
re: #1014 Dark_Falcon
At their height, they were pretty good. They were nothing compared to U2, but then again bands save the Stones and the Beetles (both of whom were/are even greater) measure up to that standard.
Air Supply is make out music, not R/B or rock and roll...Barry Manilow wannabees
| 1020 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:10:49pm |
re: #1001 Ramona
Off topic
Has there been a recent rule change? I can't rate anyone anymore unless I've posted 50 commnets? So much for lurking. I've got 47 more comments to make before I can agree with anyone.
Better get gabbin', then!
| 1021 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:12:27pm |
re: #1013 Ramona
Ok, I finally got down thread enough to find your original statement.
I'm not great with words, don't often post comments. But I do enjoy encouraging those who have a wonderful way with words.
Serious question - what is the rationale behind this?
The proverbial few bad apples who spoil things for everyone.
| 1023 |
Achilles Tang Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:27:25pm |
re: #926 albusteve
it's lurid...just beating a dead horse...the blowback says as much as the incident itself...people oozing with joy, and stern opinions, dissecting and analyzing...it's worse than the blocked account itself imo...poor style...let it go
No it is not. We can talk of recipes, puns, guns, entertainers and more, and we can dissect all of them without it beating anything dead.
You are sounding like you don't want people to post what you are finding difficult to deal with. Buzz had posted over 40,000 times here over 4 or 5 years. He is fair game.
It's perfectly rational to discuss what his problem was. I think Ludvig had it right in a post somewhere around here.
| 1025 |
freetoken Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:30:35pm |
re: #1024 stevenk
Yep. All Fox News has right now is VIEWERS.
However, Fox News is a cable channel and has fewer viewers than broadcast channels. On any given night only a tiny fraction of the television viewing audience is tuned into Fox News.
| 1026 |
Ramona Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:32:00pm |
| 1027 |
freetoken Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:36:00pm |
re: #1026 Ramona
re: #1016 freetoken
I was informed this weekend that the gadget I got at Radio Shack was an MP$ - is there such a thing?
Assume you meant "MP3" when you typed "MP$", no?
"mp3" files are computer files in a proprietary but widely available format for encoding audio. Pushed hard by Apple, mp3 files are now used in quite a few audio devices sold by many manufacturers. Most of these players are loaded with the files through an USB cable.
Amazon is a good source of mp3 files, if you don't want to go through iTunes, and Charles has a feature post up right now of some Jarrett music available on Amazon.
| 1028 |
Ramona Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:38:39pm |
I'm still not sure the 50 comment limit won't provoke thoughtless and frivolous additions that do nothing to elevate this disourse of the politics of human nautre.
| 1029 |
philosophus invidius Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:42:46pm |
After reading all 1028 comments on this thread, all I can say is that I mostly agree with the general sentiments expressed.
| 1030 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:46:11pm |
re: #1028 Ramona
I'm still not sure the 50 comment limit won't provoke thoughtless and frivolous additions that do nothing to elevate this disourse of the politics of human nautre.
To borrow a slashdot metaphore, the impatient can always choose the karma/ratings whore path like me, make fewer comments but with extra pithy action for flavor.
*holds out moderately drunken fist*
Punch it bitches!
| 1031 |
freetoken Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:46:23pm |
re: #1028 Ramona
I'm still not sure the 50 comment limit won't provoke thoughtless and frivolous additions that do nothing to elevate this disourse of the politics of human nautre.
heh... I'm all for discourses on human nature... but right now I'm more concentrated on the fact that we have only 73 more shopping days till Christmas...
| 1032 |
tradewind Mon, Oct 12, 2009 8:53:43pm |
re: #1030 goddamnedfrank
What's wrong with just plain Frank?
| 1033 |
cenotaphium Mon, Oct 12, 2009 9:06:10pm |
re: #1031 freetoken
heh... I'm all for discourses on human nature... but right now I'm more concentrated on the fact that we have only 73 more shopping days till Christmas...
I'm just thinking it's really sad that the shopping frenzy is pushed forward so much that the gadgets you buy will have been refreshed before the presents are opened!
Damn you consumer culture! (or should that be Moore?)
| 1034 |
Bagua Mon, Oct 12, 2009 9:26:09pm |
re: #1024 stevenk
Yep. All Fox News has right now is VIEWERS.
Good point, a billion flies must be on to something.
| 1035 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 12, 2009 9:41:32pm |
re: #1032 tradewind
What's wrong with just plain Frank?
Yeah, just plain Frank wasn't my grandmother's nickname for my grandfather, a nickname I personally found rather amusing. No sacrilege intended ... for the moment. Plus I kind of enjoy the double entendre, as my intent in such forums tilts towards brutal honesty.
| 1036 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Oct 12, 2009 10:23:55pm |
*the below comment contains nothing original and should be updinged by nobody*
just caught the start of special report - funny how there was no mention of the vicious personal attacks leveled at the Prez by their hosts... or their promotion of tea party rallys (no taxation with representaton)... or well, any of the million reasons the WH has to feel genuinely aggrieved with flat out lies and distortions.
funny that.
If all Faux was doing was asking tough questions the Wh would have zero complaints - and i believe would actively engage on difficult policy matters. Instead its a littany of ill feeling and nightly invective. While Beck (just for starters) still has a job their Faux can expect no outreach.
If any other network had a presenter who flat out called the President a racist hey wouldn't still have a job - let alone own show and posterchild status.
It's the entirely different set of rules that Fox seems to operate by which irks people. People complain about Lou Dobbs going Nirther-Nuts... but it's nothing. Nothing compared to what Beck does nightly. He should be un-employable... it's just insanity he hasn't been canned by now.
| 1037 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Oct 12, 2009 11:09:08pm |
re: #1036 wozzablog
Think of Fox News as a conservative talk radio station, but with video. Then it'll be apparent just how difficult it is to dislodge people like Beck. Beck earned his stripes as a morning zoo host, where zany and outrageous stunts are commonplace, and he's applied that to his Fox show.
| 1038 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Oct 12, 2009 11:14:46pm |
re: #1037 WindUpBird
my bad - i'd been bargaining on them having the editorial, journalistic and personal standards of a respectable and revered news gathering organisation.
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spiderx Tue, Oct 13, 2009 12:10:28am |
re: #174 jojostan
I wonder if she realized how pathetic she looked afterwords. Sniveling and whining about Fox news for minutes on end., Jesus, what a little whiner! The Bush administration put up with far worse for 7 years but did they complain? No. They simply went on doing their jobs with the realization that most of the MSM was out to get them. The anointed one has the entire MSM except for Fox and talk radio in his pocket and that's still not good enough! how dare those Fox people say bad things about us! The towering narcissism of the One and his minions is truly breathtaking.
the MSM didn't start to criticize Bush until his second term. Bush had a free ride for his first 4 years.
The media has been much tougher on Obama during his first year than they were on Bush
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BarleyWine Tue, Oct 13, 2009 2:05:19am |
Anderson Cooper 360: Risky White House Strategy
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BarleyWine Tue, Oct 13, 2009 2:10:47am |
re: #1040 BarleyWine
Oh, I forget the question mark. That should have been "Risky White House Strategy?"
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snoopy Tue, Oct 13, 2009 5:47:30am |
For people who dislike Fox news, you all know a hell of a lot about it. Where do you get all your info from. Are you secretly watching it???
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Mike DeGuzman Tue, Oct 13, 2009 6:17:30am |
There are good things and bad things about Fox News. It is no different than the other news agencies out there. People should already know that Fox News is a conservative network. It's about free speech and freedom of the press. If you don't like what you see on Fox News just change the channel to CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, etc to suit your needs. Who's going to keep the administration on check? The press? or Fox News.
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nccanuck Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:10:46am |
Gee, one network is causing this much anxiety for the President and its group of whiners!
Funny, never heard Obama say his media was too far slanted towards him and that it should stop the negative articles against McCain during the election or stop its trashing of the GOP's in power. If this is all the current administration has to do with its time is whine about one news network calling him out and outing his incompetents then we are really in for a fall as a country.
Fox is Fox, everyone knows where it stands whereas the rest of the media is so busy bowing to Obama you can't get a straight story out of them for the life of me.
| 1045 |
nccanuck Tue, Oct 13, 2009 7:12:17am |
re: #789 Coracle
And MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC and CNN are obviously non partisan eh ..
| 1046 |
djranger Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:01:51am |
re: #15 Charles
It's amazing how thin the line has become between entertainment and news these days. How can you criticize Fox News as being a mouthpiece for the Republican party without also calling out MSNBC and Keith Olbermann for being a mouthpiece for the Democrats? This IS the problem. In order to buy into a political agenda, you must first blind yourself to objective reality - and I'm seeing plenty of this in the current administration.
| 1047 |
drcordell Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:22:52am |
re: #1046 djranger
It's amazing how thin the line has become between entertainment and news these days. How can you criticize Fox News as being a mouthpiece for the Republican party without also calling out MSNBC and Keith Olbermann for being a mouthpiece for the Democrats? This IS the problem. In order to buy into a political agenda, you must first blind yourself to objective reality - and I'm seeing plenty of this in the current administration.
Criticizing Fox News for being a GOP talking-points factory doesn't require qualification. This "he said she said" concept of fairness is complete and utter bullshit. A story can be written on Fox News propaganda without examining other networks. And this isn't even getting into the fact that MSNBC has exactly TWO hosts that can be considered reflexively liberal. The rest of their airtime is filled with plenty of "Republican strategists" given ample time to spew garbage. Every second of Fox airtime, save perhaps Shep Smith's show, is nothing but a giant right-wing infomercial.
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captdiggs Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:50:41am |
Anita Dunn, fact checked. ( Something she complains about FOX doing in the video)
It turns out that many of her talking points were not exactly accurate.
An excerpt:
" If you were a FOX News viewer in the fall election, what you would have seen would have been that the biggest stories and biggest threats facing America were a guy named Bill Ayers and something called ACORN."
This is a tremendously unqualified statement, and easily refuted. Let's do it this way: as Dunn would later claim Fox was not a real news network like CNN, why don't we compare how often both networks referred to Ayers and ACORN last fall?
According to LexisNexis, from September 14 just before the financial crisis started to Election Day, CNN mentioned Ayers name in 171 segments; Fox mentioned him in 155.
As for ACORN, CNN mentioned the currently embattled liberal organization during that same time period in 157 segments; Fox mentioned ACORN in 149.
[Link: newsbusters.org...]
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 13, 2009 8:58:58am |
re: #1048 captdiggs
that doesn't really answer either of her points you quote.
What was the tone of the ACORN/Ayers coverage on CNN?... a story can be covered a lot without it being presented as a threat.
And - just because ACORN/Ayers were mentioned more (by name) on CNN it doesn't mean by a long chalk that they were the biggest stories.
| 1050 |
mulgamutt Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:03:22am |
I've not watched Fox News "regularly" in quite a while, for two reasons: 1, I watch too much TV period, and need to stop; and 2, I get better information, and more balanced rhetoric, somewhere else (notably Dennis Prager and Hugh Hewitt). I don't listen to Rush, either (he's on the same time as Dennis).
That said, I do tune in from time to time, especially if there's a major incident (earthquake, fire, etc) to get a visual, if there is one. Meanwhile, there's that echo from the other side that seems to be there whether you're trying to listen for it or not, the wailings of the Matthews, Olbermanns and the Shultzes. I do not watch or listen to anything on the left... if I need my fill, I only have to visit my mother-in-law, who is obsessed with Olbermann in particular.
The point is this: No matter how low Fox News goes, and it has gone down, no question about it ... it can't ever get to the bottom — that's continually dug deeper by the Matthews/Olbermann/Shultz/Garofalo ilk. They continually set the bar lower (and it's not even close to being called a "journalistic bar"), and sadly, Fox is being dragged down lower with it. When they finally set Beck and others free in the back pasture and bring in some serious news and commentary, then Fox will rise again. The question is, who will replace Beck, O'Reilly, etc.? As long as the ratings are there, no one will, and so Fox is only doomed to stew in the ratings soup that gets thinner and thinner over time.
As far as the White House is concerned... whine away. It doesn't make you look any better, to whine and cry sour apples over a network that isn't what it used to be. You don't bully your detractors, no matter their standings; you rise above and set your own standard for people to gravitate to. Unless, of course, you are on the left... in which case namecalling is the standard MO.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:10:27am |
re: #1050 mulgamutt
The point is this: No matter how low Fox News goes, and it has gone down, no question about it ... it can't ever get to the bottom — that's continually dug deeper by the Matthews/Olbermann/Shultz/Garofalo ilk. They continually set the bar lower (and it's not even close to being called a "journalistic bar"), and sadly, Fox is being dragged down lower with it.
I have to disagree. Fox were a long long way down before MSNBC headed leftwards in the evenings - MSNBC responds to Fox - not the other way around. Fox is not being dragged down in levels of commentary by MSNBC seeing as many of the morning/daytime pundits seem fairly right wing and interchangable (oft literally).
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captdiggs Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:10:43am |
re: #1049 wozzablog
that doesn't really answer either of her points you quote.
What was the tone of the ACORN/Ayers coverage on CNN?... a story can be covered a lot without it being presented as a threat.
And - just because ACORN/Ayers were mentioned more (by name) on CNN it doesn't mean by a long chalk that they were the biggest stories.
What was the tone of CNN or NBC's coverage?
I'm sure that FOX took a harder look at Ayers and ACORN, and why not? Isn't that what journalists are supposed to do?
The point here is that she was inaccurate in her portrayal of news coverage.
She's spinning as much as any of the networks...each to support their own agenda.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:16:34am |
re: #1052 captdiggs
What was the tone of CNN or NBC's coverage?
I'm sure that FOX took a harder look at Ayers and ACORN, and why not? Isn't that what journalists are supposed to do?
The point here is that she was inaccurate in her portrayal of news coverage.
She's spinning as much as any of the networks...each to support their own agenda.
Journalists are not meant to take a hardline. Journalists are meant to investigate and report, unless you are calling everyone who appears on Fox (including Karl Rove...) a Journalist.
Of course she's spinning - heres the shocker - she is a senior press handler.
How was she innacurate? - i'm going to stand by my refutation of the Lexis search provided as evidence - there are not enough data points and no relfection of the tone of hard news pieces or opinion pieces.
| 1054 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:43:46am |
re: #1046 djranger
It's amazing how thin the line has become between entertainment and news these days. How can you criticize Fox News as being a mouthpiece for the Republican party without also calling out MSNBC and Keith Olbermann for being a mouthpiece for the Democrats? This IS the problem. In order to buy into a political agenda, you must first blind yourself to objective reality - and I'm seeing plenty of this in the current administration.
Good grief. Try reading what's been posted at LGF for the past 8 freaking years before having the gall to accuse me of "not calling out" Keith Olbermann.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I don't expect an apology, of course.
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Morganfrost Tue, Oct 13, 2009 3:54:08pm |
re: #313 Slumbering Behemoth
Uh, huh. Let's see, it's started to focus largely on what's wrong with Republicans and conservatives. Which is to say it's pretty much like the Dems-- no particularly new ideas; just a series of attacks on the other side.
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