Creationism at the Huffington Post

The Huffington Post has always been friendly toward “new age” quack medicine, but I have to admit I was a little surprised to see them actually publishing the work of Discovery Institute shill David Klinghoffer: David Klinghoffer: The Dark Side of Darwinism.

If you’ve ever read an article by this clown, you already know the drill; Charles Darwin was a “sinister” racist, his ideas inspired eugenics and the Third Reich, blah blah, yadda yadda.

Klinghoffer’s rancid, dishonest piece is filed under “Religion and Science,” but it should have been filed in the trash. What a disgrace.

Here’s an LGF search for our articles on Klinghoffer’s long history of shilling for creationism.

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472 comments

1 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:02:35am

Ugh. I’m glad to see this garbage is getting the evisceration it deserves in the comments.

2 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:02:56am

Quack!

3 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:06:42am

Isn’t blaming Nazi Eugenics on Darwin a bit like blaming the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades on Jesus?

4 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:08:00am

They can’t dispel the science so they try to make the belief in ‘Darwinism’ an evil in itself. Dishonest bull shit.

5 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:10:32am

David Klinghoffer: “Science is hard!!!!!”

6 Steevlak  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:11:43am

I should probably stop checking the HuffingtonPost, because the site constantly posts articles this dumb, but I like the layout. The volume of quack articles it so heavy that rational blogs like sciencebasedmedicine can’t keep up.

7 The Curmudgeon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:12:19am

The Discovery Institute has learned after long experience: When it’s obvious that you don’t have any science on your side, send in Klinghoffer.

8 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:12:29am

Evisceration is pretty brutal.

9 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:12:50am

re: #6 DevinMcCurdy

I should probably stop checking the HuffingtonPost, because the site constantly posts articles this dumb, but I like the layout. The volume of quack articles it so heavy that rational blogs like sciencebasedmedicine can’t keep up.

I only go there to check up on what they think of Jon Stewart’s material last night…

10 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:15:12am

Well… that’s the last article I ever read on Huffingtons… there’s no place left to go… looks like if crazy sells, then crazy it is for these so called “news” sites… looks like HP is just another sellout.

11 Nemesis6  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:15:52am

In their limited defense(I don’t see any for publishing Creationist drivel), the commenters are ripping the article to shreds.

12 Nimed  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:18:12am

The article’s last paragraph:

A picture of how the world works carries implications about how the world should work, must work. If morality is stitched into the fabric of reality rather than being merely a useful fiction, then here is no observation about reality that has no moral consequences. That much the victims of moral Darwinism, over the past century and a half, have found out to their sorrow.

Is one of the most perfect examples of the naturalistic fallacy I’ve seen in a text not meant to illustrate it.

13 Nimed  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:22:44am

re: #1 Jimmah

Ugh. I’m glad to see this garbage is getting the evisceration it deserves in the comments.

Right. The unanimous trashing of the article was a pleasant surprise.

14 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:25:10am

Rare Look Inside Bible Belt Classroom :

Classic parting shot:

“How can, like, an African-American person evolve from a white person? We’re different skin”

15 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:27:57am

re: #14 Jimmah

Rare Look Inside Bible Belt Classroom :


[Video]Classic parting shot:

“How can, like, an African-American person evolve from a white person? We’re different skin”

“Creationists like to be lovers. Evolutionists like to be splitters.”

SPLITTER!

16 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:31:07am

re: #14 Jimmah

Rare Look Inside Bible Belt Classroom :


[Video]Classic parting shot:

“How can, like, an African-American person evolve from a white person? We’re different skin”

“The way that they think it all started….”


DOUBLE FACE PALM!

EVOLUTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW LIFE ON EARTH STARTED!

You can claim that god created the very first micro organisms and this can lead just as easily into an evolutionary unfolding of the earth’s (and humanity’s) history as believing in the big bang can….

17 Steevlak  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:36:16am

re: #9 jamesfirecat

Yes, all of that original content.

18 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:37:27am

re: #16 jamesfirecat

“The way that they think it all started…”


DOUBLE FACE PALM!

EVOLUTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW LIFE ON EARTH STARTED!

You can claim that god created the very first micro organisms and this can lead just as easily into an evolutionary unfolding of the earth’s (and humanity’s) history as believing in the big bang can…

No one on the American political scene tries to reconcile science with religion any more.

19 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:37:47am

re: #16 jamesfirecat

“The way that they think it all started…”

DOUBLE FACE PALM!

EVOLUTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW LIFE ON EARTH STARTED!

You can claim that god created the very first micro organisms and this can lead just as easily into an evolutionary unfolding of the earth’s (and humanity’s) history as believing in the big bang can…

But that’s not what it says raaht here in mah baahbul, mistur scientist. Aah jus’ know’s we got deefrunt skeen is all so you and mistur darwin’s got some splainin’ ter dew… hic!

20 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:37:55am

re: #14 Jimmah

Rare Look Inside Bible Belt Classroom :


[Video]Classic parting shot:

“How can, like, an African-American person evolve from a white person? We’re different skin”

Dear god this is was like, PHYSICALLY PAINFUL for me to watch all the way through, but I just had to do it.

By the way the kid has it backwards, life started in the Middle East (even a died in the whole fundamentalist should be able to agree with me on that) and then white people “evolved” from black people.

/////I believe I just discovered recent shocking evidence of this act still taking place even today….


Image: michael-jackson.jpg

Image: michael-jackson.jpg

Image: michael_jackson-bad.jpeg

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21 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:39:41am

Ok, that’s everything backed up - I have to go and install windows 7 on my pc now - wish me luck, folks.

Later :)

22 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:40:30am

re: #21 Jimmah

May Bill be with you. :)

23 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:44:51am

re: #20 jamesfirecat

“…a died in the whole fundamentalist…

I am the last one to be pedantic or picayune, but really…may I assume you meant to say “dyed in the wool”?

24 HelloDare  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:44:58am

Hitler sounds like a Creationist to me:

The result of all racial crossing is therefore in brief always the following:

(a) Lowering of the level of the higher race;

(b) Physical and intellectual regression and hence the beginning of a slowly but surely progressing sickness.

To bring about such a development is, then, nothing else but to sin against the will of the eternal creator. And as a sin this act is rewarded.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

And

That this is possible may not be denied in a world where hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people voluntarily submit to celibacy, obligated and bound by nothing except the injunction of the Church.

Should the same renunciation not be possible if this injunction is replaced by the admonition finally to put an end to the constant and continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty Creator beings such as He Himself created? -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


Hitler sure sounds like a creationists to me.

25 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 11:48:03am

re: #23 Spare O’Lake

I am the last one to be pedantic or picayune, but really…may I assume you meant to say “dyed in the wool”?

Yeah that’s what I mean to say.

Sorry brain was still trying to trick me into thinking that what I was seeing was Dayton’s version of Colonial Williamsburg, where bygone days of the past are recreated so the people of the present can see how far they’ve come….

26 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:07:21pm

Good Morning From SoCal. I have a bit of a conundrum. Somebody (maybe 2 people) bought two Reality Bites cookbooks last night. At midnight a post went up on my blog that the next two cookbooks were eligible for an 8x10 photo from my or D_L’s pages. That makes the books sold overnight eligible.

That person or persons (if interested) should sent RDT their LULU thank you note with the personal address info removed. Then let RDT or myself know which prints you would like. A pleasant surprise for you I hope.

However-I had thought the sales would happen after this announcement here this morning. After all the newly registered deserve a shot at the same offer. So I’m making sure the offer stands this weekend and the eligible overnight sales get their offer too.

So here is what I’ll do. Two more last prints for the next 2 cookbooks sold. In the spirit of Independence Day, anytime over the holiday weekend. Independence day for the nation and independent thinks here. Heck even the recipes have an independent flavor.

27 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:13:26pm

Because I want to:

I have a love/hate relationship with Canadians.

28 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:14:40pm

re: #14 Jimmah

Rare Look Inside Bible Belt Classroom :


[Video]Classic parting shot:

“How can, like, an African-American person evolve from a white person? We’re different skin”

Earlier in that video, one of the students says that God created man, and then put the animals and plants on the earth so “we could survive”.

It’s bad enough when creationists don’t know any science, but when they don’t know even the rudiments of the Genesis account of creation, that’s self-parody.

29 Cathypop  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:15:28pm

re: #26 Rightwingconspirator
Done. This is my second one and will go to a good friend of mine.

30 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:21:44pm

re: #29 Cathypop

That’s great thanks! Send your LuLu thank you note to RDT okay? Remove your address if you wish. Pick a shot, drop me a line and I’ll email you the info for the Camera Craft store that ships my prints.

31 Cathypop  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:23:51pm

re: #30 Rightwingconspirator

That’s great thanks! Send your LuLu thank you note to RDT okay? Remove your address if you wish. Pick a shot, drop me a line and I’ll email you the info for the Camera Craft store that ships my prints.

Okay. Thanks.

32 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:25:24pm

re: #26 Rightwingconspirator

Good Morning From SoCal. I have a bit of a conundrum. Somebody (maybe 2 people) bought two Reality Bites cookbooks last night. At midnight a post went up on my blog that the next two cookbooks were eligible for an 8x10 photo from my or D_L’s pages. That makes the books sold overnight eligible.

That person or persons (if interested) should sent RDT their LULU thank you note with the personal address info removed. Then let RDT or myself know which prints you would like. A pleasant surprise for you I hope.

However-I had thought the sales would happen after this announcement here this morning. After all the newly registered deserve a shot at the same offer. So I’m making sure the offer stands this weekend and the eligible overnight sales get their offer too.

So here is what I’ll do. Two more last prints for the next 2 cookbooks sold. In the spirit of Independence Day, anytime over the holiday weekend. Independence day for the nation and independent thinks here. Heck even the recipes have an independent flavor.

{RWC}
You are so generous!

33 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:27:14pm

re: #20 jamesfirecat

Dear god this is was like, PHYSICALLY PAINFUL for me to watch all the way through, but I just had to do it.

By the way the kid has it backward [snip]

We don’t know where life started, but it wasn’t in the middle east. There wasn’t any such thing or place when life started. The continents themselves are wave tossed bits of foam, not permanent objects, on the time scale of life on earth.

As to our own species, we are quite recent. We are also evolving fairly rapidly. It almost never happens that a new species arises suddenly, with a single mutation. Mostly, you just have populations that become reproductively separated and that find themselves in different environments, and the selective pressures of their environments carry them down different paths from there.

For a time, they remain the same species—-they are willing and able to breed with each other, should opportunity arise. But little by little, the differences grow and the willingness and/or ability fades away.

The earliest time that we find fossils of anatomically and behaviorally modern humans is a mere 50 to 100 thousand years ago. Islands come and go on that time span, as the seas rise and fall. But the continents were then where they are now, give or take a few feet.

Our species originated in Africa. We are all Africans*, if we trace our ancestry back far enough.

*(98% African, at any rate. Most of us, apart from those of pure African heritage, have some small admixture of Neanderthal background. Life, as a famous movie once noted, finds a way.)

34 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:28:11pm

In the year 2525

I think we can make it.

35 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:30:34pm

re: #33 lostlakehiker

We don’t know where life started, but it wasn’t in the middle east. There wasn’t any such thing or place when life started. The continents themselves are wave tossed bits of foam, not permanent objects, on the time scale of life on earth.

As to our own species, we are quite recent. We are also evolving fairly rapidly. It almost never happens that a new species arises suddenly, with a single mutation. Mostly, you just have populations that become reproductively separated and that find themselves in different environments, and the selective pressures of their environments carry them down different paths from there.

For a time, they remain the same species—-they are willing and able to breed with each other, should opportunity arise. But little by little, the differences grow and the willingness and/or ability fades away.

The earliest time that we find fossils of anatomically and behaviorally modern humans is a mere 50 to 100 thousand years ago. Islands come and go on that time span, as the seas rise and fall. But the continents were then where they are now, give or take a few feet.

Our species originated in Africa. We are all Africans*, if we trace our ancestry back far enough.

*(98% African, at any rate. Most of us, apart from those of pure African heritage, have some small admixture of Neanderthal background. Life, as a famous movie once noted, finds a way.)


Sorry my bad I meant to say we all started out in Africa but had a brain fart, luckily either way my Micheal Jackson joke still works….

36 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:31:05pm

re: #32 reine.de.tout

My pleasure. The overnight sale was a nice surprise.

37 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:37:21pm

re: #18 Spare O’Lake

Actually, that’s not true. Check out my blog and look at the upper right listing and you’ll see the list I have there of Christians who all accept evolutionary biology. They may not be the leading lights, yet, but they, and I, am working on it.

38 Tigger2005  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:39:48pm

re: #33 lostlakehiker

*(98% African, at any rate. Most of us, apart from those of pure African heritage, have some small admixture of Neanderthal background. Life, as a famous movie once noted, finds a way.)

Was it the Cro-Magnons kidnapping and raping the hulking low-browed hairy Neanderthal women, ya think, or the other way around? And why am I suddenly reminded of Peter Boyle and Madeline Khan in Young Frankenstein?

39 Tigger2005  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:41:52pm

re: #37 Irenicum

Actually, that’s not true. Check out my blog and look at the upper right listing and you’ll see the list I have there of Christians who all accept evolutionary biology. They may not be the leading lights, yet, but they, and I, am working on it.

Got Kenneth Miller on that list? Devout Catholic and a leading evolutionary biologist.

40 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:42:34pm

re: #39 Tigger2005

No, but thanks for the tip. I’ll look him up right now.

41 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:45:06pm

How you like THAT, bitches. :D

42 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:48:34pm

re: #39 Tigger2005

I was just looking at his info after I googled his name and it turns out he’s written for Biologos, the US outfit that enjoy thoroughly. And I’ve added Kenneth Miller to my own blog list. Thanks again!

43 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:52:01pm

re: #18 Spare O’Lake

In reading your post a second time I realized that you said no one on the American “political” scene is trying to reconcile science and religion anymore, and sadly I think I do agree with you there. But at least there are some voices in the evangelical world who are, as I mentioned below.

44 pharmmajor  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:58:10pm

Ah Huffington Post: yet another spot where junk science spewing ret@rds can meet and thrive.

45 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 12:58:21pm

Hollis Brown is a sick fuck.
46 zora  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:00:12pm

re: #37 Irenicum

bookmarked your blog. lots of good info.

47 Tigger2005  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:00:33pm

re: #42 Irenicum

I was just looking at his info after I googled his name and it turns out he’s written for Biologos, the US outfit that enjoy thoroughly. And I’ve added Kenneth Miller to my own blog list. Thanks again!

You’re welcome. His book FINDING DARWIN’S GOD is excellent.

48 emcesq  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:00:48pm

re: #14 Jimmah

Fairly recently there was an article in Scientific American on the latest findings regardin vitamin D (which is really a complex) and its influence on calcium absorption and other processes that just now are becoming understood. UV radiation required to make vit. D. Melanin in the skin protects against UV radiation. Not enough UV absorbed >> not enough vit. D >> problems (including rickets). That would be one of the reasons why peoples living in higher lattitudes lost their melanin (!?).

Plausible explanation to me. Remedy: along with their bible, people ought to read SciAm!!! But again who needs a balancing view and besides as someone said ‘science is hard’.

/just in case…

49 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:01:27pm

I would have thought this kinda stuff would not last at a ‘progressive’ site. But then again the vaccine whackos seemed to have a big contingent over there.

50 emcesq  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:01:58pm

PIMF: regardingre: #48 emcesq

PIMF: regardinG

51 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:03:37pm

re: #48 emcesq

I’m so grateful my sister got me hooked on SciAm when I was a kid. I knew too much from the get go to fall for the anti-science nonsense that’s so prevalent in both creationist and new age circles.

52 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:04:38pm

re: #46 zora

Thank you. I use my site as much as a portal as for posting my own thoughts.

53 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:05:58pm

re: #52 Irenicum

Thank you. I use my site as much as a portal as for posting my own thoughts.

Portal…?
.
.
.
WITCH!!!

54 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:06:30pm

re: #48 emcesq

Plausible explanation to me. Remedy: along with their bible, people ought to read SciAm!!! But again who needs a balancing view and besides as someone said ‘science is hard’.

/just in case…

Fuckin’ magnets…

55 emcesq  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:07:07pm

re: #51 Irenicum

SciAm - faithfuly reading since some 40 years ago (has it been that long???)

Molecular biology is getting so complex that even SciAm articles are a hard read.

56 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:07:20pm

re: #53 Varek Raith

They put that wart on my nose!

57 emcesq  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:07:55pm

re: #54 JasonA

HUH???

58 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:08:12pm

From post 878 on the thread a few places back

Treviño, who blogs as “Tacitus,” is a former Bush speechwriter and vice president of public policy at Pacific Research Institute, a free market think tank best known for its advocacy of privatizing public education. (For “privatizing public education” read “pushing charter schools.” For “pushing charter schools” read “making sure African-American kids never go to college.”)


Not to defend Trevino on the matter of evolution, but charter schools and Catholic schools both have pretty strong records when it comes to African-American kids. It’s not as if the public schools are doing a top-notch job, after all.

Houston Chronicle vouches for legitimacy of Kipp scores…
(A discussion of the results achieved by Kipp academies.)

And then there’s this about Catholic schools:
emory.edu report

There are some significant messages for public schools in this book that transcend the triteness of uniform-wearing. As far as the pedagogy in Catholic schools, there is overwhelming evidence that it was rigorous, traditional and unremarkable. Catholic teachers were ordinary by today’s standards, yet the degree of engagement and achievement by their students was-and continues to be-very high. It appeared that the Catholic school teachers were either unaware or unimpressed with research that correlated student achievement with ethnicity and family income.

A prevailing theme throughout the book is that Catholic teachers had high expectations for their students. Guided by their sense of mission to teach, save souls or escape the fires of hell, Catholic teachers were unrelenting in their expectation that African American students achieve. All students were expected to master all subjects and no course or assignment was considered too difficult, esoteric or irrelevant.

[big snip]

We were told that we could and we would excel academically.

This curriculum must be taught by individuals who are mission oriented and who believe that African Americans must-not simply can-learn and achieve in schools.


How can support for these efforts be spun as an attempt to make sure no African-Americans go to college? Don’t these schools generate more than their share of graduates?

59 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:10:12pm

re: #55 emcesq

I know, kinda scary how long it’s been. And yeah, the field is getting ever more complex. I would love to learn more about epigenetics. That seems like it’s going to just take off over the next several years.

60 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:10:15pm

re: #57 emcesq

HUH???

[Link: encyclopediadramatica.com…]

61 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:10:48pm

re: #60 Varek Raith

[Link: encyclopediadramatica.com…]

Don’t go to that site if you’re easily offended!

62 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:11:13pm

Harry Chapin:

63 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:12:27pm

re: #57 emcesq

HUH???

Heh. Just playing around.

64 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:13:31pm

re: #57 emcesq

See also: [Link: knowyourmeme.com…]

65 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:13:41pm

re: #60 Varek Raith

That was fabulous!

66 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:15:09pm

re: #65 Irenicum

That was fabulous!

Heh, I sometimes forget that a lot of people would be offended by that site…
Whoopsie.
:)

67 emcesq  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:18:19pm

re: #61 Varek Raith
re: #64 JasonA

GREAT!!! (Science for Dummies???)

68 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:18:28pm

re: #60 Varek Raith

[Link: encyclopediadramatica.com…]

Fuckin’ brilliant:

69 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:20:06pm

re: #68 JasonA

Fuckin’ brilliant:

[Video]

depends on your taste I think

70 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:20:12pm

re: #64 JasonA

And I love that one too. You guys (non-gender usage here) crack me up!

71 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:20:40pm

re: #67 emcesq

re: #64 JasonA

GREAT!!! (Science for Dummies???)

Learn Your Motherf#@kin’ Science: A Textbook for Juggalos

72 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:23:52pm

re: #48 emcesq

Fairly recently there was an article in Scientific American on the latest findings regardin vitamin D (which is really a complex) and its influence on calcium absorption and other processes that just now are becoming understood. UV radiation required to make vit. D. Melanin in the skin protects against UV radiation. Not enough UV absorbed >> not enough vit. D >> problems (including rickets). That would be one of the reasons why peoples living in higher lattitudes lost their melanin (!?).

Plausible explanation to me. Remedy: along with their bible, people ought to read SciAm!!! But again who needs a balancing view and besides as someone said ‘science is hard’.

/just in case…


This is why we have “fair maiden” and “tall, dark, and handsome”. These cliches tie in to a genetic reality: in any given climate, there is an ideal skin tone, striking the perfect balance between dark, for protection from the sun, and light, for calcium.

But at that perfect tone, there is a split. Women need more calcium because they nurse the babies. So the ideal woman is lighter than the ideal man, and vice versa.

73 emcesq  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:25:32pm

re: #71 JasonA
Hey, gotta get down to the levels of understanding! This is “popular science” at the highest levels of approach. Light one candle rather then curse the darkness.

(while he weeps)

74 emcesq  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:27:40pm

re: #72 lostlakehiker

Nice update on the Male/Female skin tone. Tradeoff: skin cancer, as all the fair English people are finding out after 20-30 years of holiday in Spain.

75 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:28:31pm

Spain defeats Paraguay 1-0 in World Cup quarterfinal, will meet Germany for finals berth.

76 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:32:04pm
77 webevintage  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:33:20pm

re: #54 JasonA

Fuckin’ magnets…

Teach the Controversy!!!1111!!!

78 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:35:00pm
79 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:36:50pm

Stupid Mozilla and their plugin-container.exe…
*grumbles*

80 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:37:21pm

Another Godwinian foray by David Klinghoffer. They attempt once again to discredit Darwin by associating his theories with eugenicist politician and of course, Hitler.

Darwin was a scientist and foremost, an observer. His writing on social evolution were not a fictional creation but instead based on his analysis of his observations and studies of humans. Social evolution, eugenics, and “survival of the fittest” all existed prior to Darwin’s theories and were practiced by humans from a cognitive level to organized political movements.

81 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:38:32pm

Anyone here use Chrome?
Do you like it better the Firefox?
Firefox is starting to get on my last nerve…

82 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:39:06pm

re: #81 Varek Raith

I have it, but honestly I’ve never really used it. FF has worked for me so far.

83 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:40:15pm

re: #81 Varek Raith

Anyone here use Chrome?
Do you like it better the Firefox?
Firefox is starting to get on my last nerve…

Chrome rocks. I wouldn’t use anything else.

84 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:41:04pm

re: #76 Varek Raith

Suspected Munich massacre mastermind dead, reports say

Crocodile tears.

From the article:

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas sent his condolences to Daoud’s family, WAFA reported.

Israel’s peace partner.

Feh.

85 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:43:24pm

re: #84 Cato the Elder

Israel’s peace partner.

Feh.

“He wrote in his letter to his family, ‘He is missed. He was one of the leading figures of Fatah and spent his life in resistance [against the occupation] and sincere work as well as physical sacrifice for his people’s just causes,’ ” the news agency said of Abbas.

86 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:43:27pm

Happy birthday Franz Kafka!

87 emcesq  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:43:49pm

re: #80 Gus 802
And this is why any open-loop utopian system is destined to fail

88 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:44:08pm

re: #81 Varek Raith

Anyone here use Chrome?
Do you like it better the Firefox?
Firefox is starting to get on my last nerve…

It still has a couple of bugs. Sometimes it crashes for me if I attach a file, and it always crashes if I save a file to a new folder. No master password, either. Faster than greased lightning, though.

89 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:45:20pm

re: #85 Gus 802

“He wrote in his letter to his family, ‘He is missed. He was one of the leading figures of Fatah and spent his life in resistance [against the occupation] and sincere work as well as physical sacrifice for his people’s just causes,’ ” the news agency said of Abbas.

Waiting for Windsagio and Darthstar to pile in and tell us why Abbas is the best hope for “peace” in 3…2…1…

90 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:46:08pm

re: #84 Cato the Elder

Israel’s peace partner.

Feh.

Feh indeed.

91 webevintage  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:46:45pm

re: #81 Varek Raith

Anyone here use Chrome?
Do you like it better the Firefox?
Firefox is starting to get on my last nerve…

Have you updated Firefox lately?
(I know this is like asking if your computer is plugged in)
I can’t get Chrome to work well on my machine it keeps crashing….

92 emcesq  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:48:15pm

re: #88 JasonA

Chrome noticeably faster than Firefox. LGF hangs on Explorer 8

93 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:50:13pm

re: #91 webevintage

Have you updated Firefox lately?
(I know this is like asking if your computer is plugged in)
I can’t get Chrome to work well on my machine it keeps crashing…

Yeah, I’m using Firefox v3.6.4. It’s got a new feature that isolates the Flash, Shockwave and Silverlight plugins from the browser. This prevents FF from crashing if a plugin does. The problem? This feature consumes 35% of my processor every time one of the aforementioned plugins is used. Annoying, to say the least.

94 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:50:41pm

re: #93 Varek Raith

Yeah, I’m using Firefox v3.6.4. It’s got a new feature that isolates the Flash, Shockwave and Silverlight plugins from the browser. This prevents FF from crashing if a plugin does. The problem? This feature consumes 35% of my processor every time one of the aforementioned plugins is used. Annoying, to say the least.

Err, make that v3.6.6.

95 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:51:01pm

My favorite Kafka story is The Vulture.

96 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:51:54pm

re: #94 Varek Raith

The speed issue is showing up for me too. That may be the single biggest motivator for me to consider switching.

97 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:52:49pm

Well I guess I better intelligently design a dinner. See ya later gators.

98 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:57:52pm

House Democrats ‘Deem’ Faux $1.1 Trillion Budget ‘as Passed’

Last night, as part of a procedural vote on the emergency war supplemental bill, House Democrats attached a document that “deemed as passed” a non-existent $1.12 trillion budget. The execution of the “deeming” document allows Democrats to start spending money for Fiscal Year 2011 without the pesky constraints of a budget
Never before — since the creation of the Congressional budget process — has the House failed to pass a budget, failed to propose a budget then deemed the non-existent budget as passed as a means to avoid a direct, recorded vote on a budget, but still allow Congress to spend taxpayer money.

dems make history!…but this is how they have worked in CA and Il for years

[Link: www.humanevents.com…]

99 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:58:59pm

re: #49 BigPapa

I would have thought this kinda stuff would not last at a ‘progressive’ site. But then again the vaccine whackos seemed to have a big contingent over there.

HuffPo has a serious problem with science. In this case it leaves them open to ID ‘entryism’.

100 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 1:59:54pm

BBIAB

101 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:01:06pm

Back using Chrome.
Let’s see if it’s any good…

102 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:01:39pm

re: #98 albusteve

House Democrats ‘Deem’ Faux $1.1 Trillion Budget ‘as Passed’

Last night, as part of a procedural vote on the emergency war supplemental bill, House Democrats attached a document that “deemed as passed” a non-existent $1.12 trillion budget. The execution of the “deeming” document allows Democrats to start spending money for Fiscal Year 2011 without the pesky constraints of a budget
Never before — since the creation of the Congressional budget process — has the House failed to pass a budget, failed to propose a budget then deemed the non-existent budget as passed as a means to avoid a direct, recorded vote on a budget, but still allow Congress to spend taxpayer money.

dems make history!…but this is how they have worked in CA and Il for years

[Link: www.humanevents.com…]

Somehow I doubt this one is true. Human Events has had a serious Bad Craziness problem as of late. I’m going to mark this as an “Outragous Outrage!!1” unless it is confirmed by a reputable source. That source need not be left-leaning, the Chicago Tribune, National Review, or Frum Forum could do it.

103 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:02:57pm

re: #98 albusteve

Dude, that’s Human Events. Worse than that, it’s Connie Hair. She should be crossed off your list of reliable sources, should you actually have such a thing.

104 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:05:48pm

OT: Remains of 7 servicemen are recovered from WWII crash in Burma; Arlington burial planned

TYRONE, Pa. - U.S. military authorities have identified the remains of seven servicemen missing in action since their cargo plane went down in Burma during World War II.

The men were aboard a C-47A Skytrain that left India on May 23, 1944, to resupply Allied forces near Myitkyina, Burma, but never returned.

In 2002, a missionary found a data plate from a crash site about 31 miles northwest of Myitkyina. A military team excavated the site.

Aboard the plane were Air Force Tech. Sgt. Clarence Frantz of Tyrone, Pa.; Capt. Joseph M. Olbinski of Chicago; 1st Lt. Joseph J. Auld of Floral Park, N.Y.; 1st Lt. Robert M. Anderson of Millen, Ga.; Pfc. Richard M. Dawson of Haynesville, Va.; Pvt. Robert L. Crane of Sacramento, Calif.; and Pvt. Fred G. Fagan of Piedmont, Ala.

They will be buried with full military honors July 15 at Arlington National Cemetery.

Chicagoan name is bolded as I am also from Chicago.

105 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:05:57pm

re: #103 wrenchwench

Dude, that’s Human Events. Worse than that, it’s Connie Hair. She should be crossed off your list of reliable sources, should you actually have such a thing.

I know who it is….do you actually think the voting record is a fraud?…the time stamp?…anybody can walk into the House ans sit in the balcony and watch the proceedings…be a real stunner if she simply made up the story

106 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:06:39pm

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

OT: Remains of 7 servicemen are recovered from WWII crash in Burma; Arlington burial planned

Chicagoan name is bolded as I am also from Chicago.

way cool, I love these stories

107 RadicalModerate  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:08:25pm

For what it’s worth, Huffington Post had the foresight to put the creationist’s story in their “Religion” section - where it actually belongs.

Looking through some of the other stories and I found this one, which quite honestly should be required reading for everyone with an evangelical bent.

Thank God for Atheists

“I told the people in my church, ‘I don’t like evangelizing, and I know you hate it, so I’ve decided that I’m formally resigning from witnessing. You’re all free to do so the same,’ ” Henderson recalls. “I said, ‘I love Jesus, you love Jesus, and we all want to connect people with Jesus. But we’re gonna have to figure out new ways to do it.’ ”
In the 15 years since, Henderson has blazed a new path as an innovator, author, church-evaluator, self-professed subversive, and leader in the creation of new ways to be publicly and persuasively Christian in the 21st century. Maybe the most subversive — and sensible — surprise of all is the population to which this well-caffeinated Seattle man has turned for partners, friends and teachers: atheists.
What could a Christian possibly learn from atheists? A lot, it turns out. As more and more Jesus followers like Henderson are discovering, taking a look at yourself and your religion through the eyes of the unconvinced can be a revelatory experience.
[…]
Rather than arguing with an atheist, Henderson bought one. In 2006, he heard about an atheist offering his soul to the highest bidder on eBay, laid down $504 and, lo and behold, claimed the prize. Henderson didn’t try to convert that atheist, a Chicago graduate student named Hemant Mehta. Instead, he asked him to evaluate churches and report on his findings.
From that sprang a series of church visits and reports, books by both Henderson and Mehta, and Henderson’s ChurchRater.com website, where people read and post reviews of churches they’ve attended. Henderson has also launched an offshoot church consulting business, again using non-Christians as partners in his work to help churches evaluate themselves through the eyes of outsiders.

108 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:08:44pm

re: #105 albusteve

I know who it is…do you actually think the voting record is a fraud?…the time stamp?…anybody can walk into the House ans sit in the balcony and watch the proceedings…be a real stunner if she simply made up the story

Not made up the story; misinterpreted it. If she did such a thing, and I think it probable, the next question is whether the misinterpretation was deliberate or not.

109 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:10:20pm

re: #105 albusteve

…be a real stunner if she simply made up the story

lol

110 webevintage  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:11:02pm

I see Obama is going to waste 2 billion taxpayer dollars for solar plants not owned by Americans.
/

Just getting a jump on the GOP talking points.
Of course those plants will hire American workers who will then take the money they make and spend it in their communities creating more jobs plus the plants will need material mostly made in the US so American manufactures will be able to not lay off workers or even hire new workers.

111 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:11:05pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Not made up the story; misinterpreted it. If she did such a thing, and I think it probable, the next question is whether the misinterpretation was deliberate or not.

the voting record is right there for all to see….but as you say

112 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:11:08pm

re: #34 Boogberg

Okay, now I gotta post the Fields of the Nephilim version of In the year 2525, which sounds significantly more evil :D

113 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:13:15pm

re: #105 albusteve

I know who it is…do you actually think the voting record is a fraud?…the time stamp?…anybody can walk into the House ans sit in the balcony and watch the proceedings…be a real stunner if she simply made up the story

If you can’t find a better source for the information, then the information is questionable. I wouldn’t give that site or that author a link. Why spread the poison?

114 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:14:20pm

re: #106 albusteve

way cool, I love these stories

It’s good that we are finally able to give those men the resting place they deserve. As an aside, the most famous victim of a WII CBI (China-Burma-India Theatre) plane crash, British General Orde Wingate is also buried at Arlington. The B-35 he died in had an America crew and the agreement between the US and UK for burials specifies that when remains are commingled, the remains are buried in cemetery of the country to whom the majority of the fallen belonged.

115 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:15:28pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

If you can’t find a better source for the information, then the information is questionable. I wouldn’t give that site or that author a link. Why spread the poison?

I looking…I don’t give a damn about the link…even if it’s not true, that in itself is a story

116 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:19:36pm

re: #115 albusteve

I looking…I don’t give a damn about the link…even if it’s not true, that in itself is a story

But a very different story, which would consist of “Connie Hair is a fraud, and Human Events misleads people on purpose”. But that wouldn’t be news.

I looked for “deemed passed”, and found something in what I thought was a reputable paper, the Las Vegas Review-Journal. But it was an op-ed, and it linked to—-Connie Hair.

117 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:20:13pm

re: #111 albusteve

the voting record is right there for all to see…but as you say

Now, this story of a Dem-caused budget disaster I can call credible:

Illinois facing ‘outright disaster’ amid budget crisis

As usual, however, the NYT doesn’t note that the Democrats caused this mess. That’s OK, though, because the Chicago Tribune does note that and my extended family and I all make sure those we know understand who fouled up.

118 webevintage  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:20:32pm

So in a way the story is “true” but not the crazy OMFG! tone of it:


[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com…]
But the fact remains: By not passing a budget with reconciliation instructions this year, Democrats are setting themselves up for further gridlock and failure next year. If you can’t get 51 votes for a budget when you have 59, you sure can’t get 60 votes for controversial legislation when you only have 52.

119 webevintage  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:22:28pm

I like this other one from Ezra because it has a pretty graph:
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com…]

It really has nothing to do with the Human Events post.

120 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:24:34pm

re: #118 webevintage

The 2010 elections, however, are likely to return a much-reduced Democratic Senate majority. As the situation stands, Democrats couldn’t pass unemployment-insurance legislation with 59 votes, because they couldn’t quite get to 60. If they have only 52 members in their caucus, they really have no chance. That’s why setting down reconciliation instructions now was so important: It was their best chance to actually govern next year.

121 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:25:05pm

re: #118 webevintage

So in a way the story is “true” but not the crazy OMFG! tone of it:

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com…]
But the fact remains: By not passing a budget with reconciliation instructions this year, Democrats are setting themselves up for further gridlock and failure next year. If you can’t get 51 votes for a budget when you have 59, you sure can’t get 60 votes for controversial legislation when you only have 52.

That one has some explanation in it:

The budget enforcement resolution is an alternative to actually passing a budget. It does the main work of the budget, which is telling the appropriators how much money they have to spend, but it includes few details beyond that. The absence of those specifics means House Democrats aren’t voting for a budget with a trillion-plus-dollar deficit, which is a vote they don’t want to take, and it spares the House leadership the trouble of navigating the normal budget-related squabbles. But no budget means no budget reconciliation instructions, and no budget reconciliation instructions mean no passing jobs legislation with 51 votes in the Senate.
122 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:25:08pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

But a very different story, which would consist of “Connie Hair is a fraud, and Human Events misleads people on purpose”. But that wouldn’t be news.

I looked for “deemed passed”, and found something in what I thought was a reputable paper, the Las Vegas Review-Journal. But it was an op-ed, and it linked to—-Connie Hair.

I can’t find anything…but will keep a post it up for it

123 webevintage  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:25:11pm

From the AP:
[Link: www.google.com…]

House approves $7 billion budget cut

124 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:25:49pm

re: #118 webevintage

So in a way the story is “true” but not the crazy OMFG! tone of it:

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com…]
But the fact remains: By not passing a budget with reconciliation instructions this year, Democrats are setting themselves up for further gridlock and failure next year. If you can’t get 51 votes for a budget when you have 59, you sure can’t get 60 votes for controversial legislation when you only have 52.

Ezra Klein is still wrong though; There are plenty of ways to pass”ob-creation measures” under a budget enforcement resolution. How about cuts to taxes and regulation, instead of pork-barrel ‘stimulus’?

125 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:26:12pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

It’s good that we are finally able to give those men the resting place they deserve. As an aside, the most famous victim of a WII CBI (China-Burma-India Theatre) plane crash, British General Orde Wingate is also buried at Arlington. The B-35 he died in had an America crew and the agreement between the US and UK for burials specifies that when remains are commingled, the remains are buried in cemetery of the country to whom the majority of the fallen belonged.

remember the P38s they found in Greeland?…there was a TV show made about the recovery and I finally saw the plane at the Kalamazoo Air Show

126 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:26:48pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Now, this story of a Dem-caused budget disaster I can call credible:

Illinois facing ‘outright disaster’ amid budget crisis

As usual, however, the NYT doesn’t note that the Democrats caused this mess. That’s OK, though, because the Chicago Tribune does note that and my extended family and I all make sure those we know understand who fouled up.

I was going to post that but the thread was dead….eye poppin eh?

127 webevintage  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:28:36pm

And i just found the stories I actually have no opinion one way or another since I really do not understand what was done OR how budgets are approved/voted for in an election year like this one where the GOP is against anything and everything the Dems/President may try to do.

128 webevintage  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:31:31pm

Oh hey, soon to be President Steve King said more stupid/offensive stuff:
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]

CALLER: You know it’s absolutely despicable the way our president is acting on this oil slick. And it boils down that the governor is a Republican and Obama is a Democrat and he’s not gonna help in any way to make him, to help Louisiana. … So as far as I’m concerned the blood is on his hands. […]

KING: I appreciate Larry’s statement and I agree with his analysis of it. As I watch the reluctance on the part of the White House to cooperate with Bobby Jindal. I’d like to think it’s being done out of policy perspective, but there is a political component. And to delay these skimmers all this time, and to refuse to wave the Jones Act, well essentially they passed that hot potato around, and nobody asked for it.

129 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:32:51pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Now, this story of a Dem-caused budget disaster I can call credible:

Illinois facing ‘outright disaster’ amid budget crisis

As usual, however, the NYT doesn’t note that the Democrats caused this mess. That’s OK, though, because the Chicago Tribune does note that and my extended family and I all make sure those we know understand who fouled up.

And if ANYONE wants to tell me the stimulus money helped create jobs, I call bullshit. I’ve been saying it for months, probably a year, that any money going to states would get eaten up by administrative costs, upper management and the good old boys contractors that have been in the pocket of state and local governments for years… if that stimulus money was really helping, was really being put to good use, then you couldn’t ever write a paragraph like this (from the NYT article)…

The federal dollars are nearly spent. Last month, local governments nationwide shed more than 20,000 jobs. Should the largest struggling states — like California, New York or Illinois — lay off tens of thousands more in coming months, or default on payments, the reverberations could badly damage a weakened economy and push housing prices down still further.

Stimulus my ass… funny money for the kleptocrats and plutocrats that run our country.

130 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:37:54pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Now, this story of a Dem-caused budget disaster I can call credible:

Illinois facing ‘outright disaster’ amid budget crisis

As usual, however, the NYT doesn’t note that the Democrats caused this mess. That’s OK, though, because the Chicago Tribune does note that and my extended family and I all make sure those we know understand who fouled up.

Right…

On a state and local level… this is what the Democrats did to Ill. and, people with the same mindset are now running the Federal Government… do you see a pattern here?

131 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:38:39pm

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

Stimulus my ass… funny money for the kleptocrats and plutocrats that run our country.

Quite Concur. At this rate, the state may well end up declaring Chapter 9.

132 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:39:43pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

How about cuts to taxes and regulation, instead of pork-barrel ‘stimulus’?

Cutting taxes and regulation does not generate revenue. Bush tried to have his Treasury Department put a shine on that turd and they just couldn’t. Deferring maintenance won’t put more people to work, it just jeopardizes their commute to it.

Materials and labor prices are down now. The government can capitalize on that to get needed repairs completed and facilitating a more rapid recovery at the same time.

133 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:40:37pm

Dems refuse compromise to extend unemployment benefits

Congress adjourns this week for the July Fourth recess without having passed a bill to extend unemployment insurance benefits to 1.3 million people who started losing them this month.

Democrats have been painting Republicans as unsympathetic to the long-term unemployed who will be unable to collect benefits, but Democratic leaders have rejected several offers by the GOP to vote for the bill if at least some of it is paid for.

probably misrepresented, or a lie…I was not there

Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com…]

134 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:41:16pm

re: #129 Walter L. Newton

there is no Stimulus and there never was….payola, massive pandering

135 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:41:47pm

re: #130 Walter L. Newton

Right…

On a state and local level… this is what the Democrats did to Ill. and, people with the same mindset are now running the Federal Government… do you see a pattern here?

You know I do. I know, it was a rhetorical question, but still it gets under my skin. I am going to enjoy watching Pat Quinn get the boot in November.

136 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:42:59pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

Cutting taxes and regulation does not generate revenue. Bush tried to have his Treasury Department put a shine on that turd and they just couldn’t. Deferring maintenance won’t put more people to work, it just jeopardizes their commute to it.

Materials and labor prices are down now. The government can capitalize on that to get needed repairs completed and facilitating a more rapid recovery at the same time.

I didn’t say such measures would generate revenue, I said they would create jobs.

137 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:44:54pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. At this rate, the state may well end up declaring Chapter 9.

so who’s up next?….CA or NY?….same massive union pension funding problems

138 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:45:23pm

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

You know I do. I know, it was a rhetorical question, but still it gets under my skin. I am going to enjoy watching Pat Quinn get the boot in November.

ANd the GOP has done their fair share of passing out money willy-nilly, for a matter of fact, fiscally, the eight years of Bush was a primer for the current administration. When I use the words kleptocrats and plutocrats, it’s plural, I’m talking about the right, the left and everyone in between that has turned our governments into a piggy bank for all sorts of s lush and payola and get rich schemes.

You want to look at a model for this, look at France, pre-revolution, take it from there.

139 webevintage  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:45:41pm

re: #133 albusteve

Dems refuse compromise to extend unemployment benefits

Congress adjourns this week for the July Fourth recess without having passed a bill to extend unemployment insurance benefits to 1.3 million people who started losing them this month.

Democrats have been painting Republicans as unsympathetic to the long-term unemployed who will be unable to collect benefits, but Democratic leaders have rejected several offers by the GOP to vote for the bill if at least some of it is paid for.

probably misrepresented, or a lie…I was not there

Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com…]

I don’t know, but for some reason I just cannot imagine why the Democrats would actually trust the GOP. Could it be because they have seen this play out in bill after bill (Hell Scott Brown did it last week) where the GOP gets what they ask for and still votes no.

140 webevintage  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:47:14pm

So the stimulus has not worked in some states because the state leaders used the funds in ways that the money should not have been used?

141 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:47:50pm

re: #139 webevintage

I don’t know, but for some reason I just cannot imagine why the Democrats would actually trust the GOP. Could it be because they have seen this play out in bill after bill (Hell Scott Brown did it last week) where the GOP gets what they ask for and still votes no.

waaaahh!
nobody plays fair…
when you think about it, if you want to increase a benefit, maybe we should cut spending elsewhere

142 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:47:57pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

How is your new job working out?

143 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:50:40pm

re: #140 webevintage

So the stimulus has not worked in some states because the state leaders used the funds in ways that the money should not have been used?

fixing roads might be construed as putting people back to work, rather than creating new jobs that generate new wealth…that’s the reason for the ambiguous, impossible to prove, ‘jobs saved’….that means nothing

144 MJ  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:52:25pm

For those who still think Obama’s policy toward Israel isn’t much different than other Presidents, perhaps they’d like to explain this?

Nudge on Arms Further Divides U.S. and Israel

WASHINGTON — It was only one paragraph buried deep in the most plain-vanilla kind of diplomatic document, 40 pages of dry language committing 189 nations to a world free of nuclear weapons. But it has become the latest source of friction between Israel and the United States in a relationship that has lurched from crisis to crisis over the last few months.

At a meeting to review the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in May, the United States yielded to demands by Arab nations that the final document urge Israel to sign the treaty — a way of spotlighting its historically undeclared nuclear weapons.

Israel believed it had assurances from the Obama administration that it would reject efforts to include such a reference, an Israeli official said, and it saw this as another sign of unreliability by its most important ally. In a recent visit to Washington, Israel’s defense minister, Ehud Barak, raised the issue in meetings with senior American officials. ..

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

This is the second “assurance” that this White house has broken with Israel. The broke the agreement over the Gaza withdrawal letter signed by Bush and now this.

145 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:52:53pm

re: #37 Irenicum

Actually, that’s not true. Check out my blog and look at the upper right listing and you’ll see the list I have there of Christians who all accept evolutionary biology. They may not be the leading lights, yet, but they, and I, am working on it.

Tell the nice people how to find your blog. (I hope you have Teilhard de Chardin.)

146 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:56:50pm

re: #144 MJ

and the entire world is watching this separation unfold….not good

147 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 2:59:49pm

BB late tonight… I got my own stimulus to attend to, a 5 hour shift at the supermarket on 4th of July eve… should be slow (not)…

148 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:01:45pm

Safari fans. I don’t get what you guys see in that browser. That is all.

149 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:06:33pm

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

BB late tonight… I got my own stimulus to attend to, a 5 hour shift at the supermarket on 4th of July eve… should be slow (not)…

You’ll move some beer, charcoal and bandages.

150 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:07:42pm

re: #142 Walter L. Newton

How is your new job working out?

Fairly well. I’ve still got a long way to go to be good at it, but I’m getting better. Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. Norton and Firefox were squabbling.

151 Nimed  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:09:49pm

re: #148 JasonA

Safari fans. I don’t get what you guys see in that browser. That is all.

I’m hooked to Firefox plug-ins, so I don’t even consider switching — but Safari is supposedly as fast as Chrome, and more stable.

152 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:11:08pm

re: #151 Nimed

I’m hooked to Firefox plug-ins, so I don’t even consider switching — but Safari is supposedly as fast as Chrome, and more stable.

I’ve been giving it another shot these past few days, but I’m not seeing Chrome’s speed. It has seemed stable, though.

153 Nimed  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:15:48pm

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

BB late tonight… I got my own stimulus to attend to, a 5 hour shift at the supermarket on 4th of July eve… should be slow (not)…

So tell me, Walter: which browser right-wingers prefer?

154 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:16:20pm

re: #110 webevintage

I see Obama is going to waste 2 billion taxpayer dollars for solar plants not owned by Americans.
/

Just getting a jump on the GOP talking points.
Of course those plants will hire American workers who will then take the money they make and spend it in their communities creating more jobs plus the plants will need material mostly made in the US so American manufactures will be able to not lay off workers or even hire new workers.

The question of where the solar plants was made is secondary. Ideally, we would have “solar-plant seeds.” We would stick them in the ground, and without any further work on our part, they’d grow and blossom into solar plants, then put out tendrils of copper and connect themselves to the grid.

That the things we’re actually getting require further work and further inputs is an unfortunate necessity, not a bonus. Whatever materials are used in their construction are materials that could have been used to some other purpose.

Just so we get the energy without having to burn any more coal.

155 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:17:43pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t say such measures would generate revenue, I said they would create jobs.

That’s doubtful as well:

The theory of tax cuts as economic stimulus has been put to the test - and failed - twice in the past six years alone. As the prolonged recession leads more people to once again consider these same old tried-and-failed policies, it is important to revisit recent history.

Less than half the personal tax cuts—especially the types of high-end tax cuts favored by conservatives—are likely to be spent in the first two years. Most of it will be used to pay down debt, build savings, or buy imports - all uses of money that do not boost the U.S. economy.

Consider the $100 billion in personal tax rebates that were issued as part of a broader economic stimulus effort in 2008. Only about one-third of the total amount was spent. A University of Michigan study in December 2008 concluded that these rebates provided “little ‘bang for the buck’ as economic stimulus.”

156 windsagio  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:18:08pm

re: #154 lostlakehiker


Just so we get the energy without having to burn any more coal.

Interesting conclusion >>

/driveby

157 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:18:27pm

re: #153 Nimed

So tell me, Walter: which browser right-wingers prefer?

They make their own damn browsers.

/

158 windsagio  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:19:20pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

That’s a matter of doctrine, not economics :D

159 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:19:52pm

Our Fourth of July parade was on the third this year. It was filled with all kinds of law enforcement, fire trucks, tractors, horses, veterans, politicians, and pickup truck loads of the summer league softball teams. As always, the parade moved in fits and starts, and some of the softball teams were paused in front of my store for about 15 minutes. It was plenty of time for the various pickup loads to get into a water fight. The boys’ teams were prepared with Super Soakers, and what looked like planned tactics. The girls had to improvise with bottles of COLD water from their ice chests, and deviousness. Spectators enjoyed the overspray.

I think they’re saving the fireworks for tomorrow.

160 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:23:31pm

re: #143 albusteve

fixing roads might be construed as putting people back to work, rather than creating new jobs that generate new wealth…that’s the reason for the ambiguous, impossible to prove, ‘jobs saved’…that means nothing

What we want is old jobs, creating new wealth. The kind of thing they do better everywhere else.

I don’t buy that they always do it cheaper. They are just better capitalists, with slightly longer horizons. Any fool can be cheaper when they eliminate the competition. Cheaper than who?

Ever bought a TV made in the USA? Ever bought a coffee cup not made in Chine (and shipped a gazillion miles to get to Wallmart to be sold for $0.50)? Ever bought a wind turbine not made in little old Denmark?

We will always need roads, and we will need to maintain them forever.

161 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:26:02pm

re: #160 Naso Tang

We will always need roads, and we will need to maintain them forever.

Not once we get our jetpacks…

162 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:27:06pm

re: #161 JasonA

Not once we get our jetpacks…

Made where…?

163 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:28:04pm

Good stuff:

164 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:28:45pm

re: #160 Naso Tang

What we want is old jobs, creating new wealth. The kind of thing they do better everywhere else.

I don’t buy that they always do it cheaper. They are just better capitalists, with slightly longer horizons. Any fool can be cheaper when they eliminate the competition. Cheaper than who?

Ever bought a TV made in the USA? Ever bought a coffee cup not made in Chine (and shipped a gazillion miles to get to Wallmart to be sold for $0.50)? Ever bought a wind turbine not made in little old Denmark?

We will always need roads, and we will need to maintain them forever.

good points….get the old jobs back using private money rather than tax revenue…and as DF can attest, in Chicagoland, as an example, there is constantly construction or repair…365/forever, it never stops

165 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:28:52pm

re: #159 wrenchwench

Our Fourth of July parade was on the third this year. It was filled with all kinds of law enforcement, fire trucks, tractors, horses, veterans, politicians, and pickup truck loads of the summer league softball teams. As always, the parade moved in fits and starts, and some of the softball teams were paused in front of my store for about 15 minutes. It was plenty of time for the various pickup loads to get into a water fight. The boys’ teams were prepared with Super Soakers, and what looked like planned tactics. The girls had to improvise with bottles of COLD water from their ice chests, and deviousness. Spectators enjoyed the overspray.

I think they’re saving the fireworks for tomorrow.

We had our parade today also. The usual assortment of drum core, hoola-hooping hussies, politicians, neighboring churches, bands on flat beds, The [Link: WWW…] not the wrestlers), LGBT groups, Lawn Chair Brigade and even a solo float of a burned Butter Jesus. Sweet Butter Jesus, resurrected on the 4th of July.

We died our hair: six year old went with Shocking Pink, 12 year old Raven Black, and my short shock of white and silver went Electric Midnight Blue. With the white Sean Connery stubble, it looks pretty great.

Freaks galore.

That and the YMCA lifeguard with the nipple hardware brings hope to this heart.

166 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:29:46pm

re: #162 Naso Tang

Made where…?

GO ECUADOR!

167 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:31:04pm

re: #154 lostlakehiker

The question of where the solar plants was made is secondary.

“The question of where the energy is made is secondary”

Enron CEO.

168 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:31:42pm

re: #159 wrenchwench

Our Fourth of July parade was on the third this year. It was filled with all kinds of law enforcement, fire trucks, tractors, horses, veterans, politicians, and pickup truck loads of the summer league softball teams. As always, the parade moved in fits and starts, and some of the softball teams were paused in front of my store for about 15 minutes. It was plenty of time for the various pickup loads to get into a water fight. The boys’ teams were prepared with Super Soakers, and what looked like planned tactics. The girls had to improvise with bottles of COLD water from their ice chests, and deviousness. Spectators enjoyed the overspray.

I think they’re saving the fireworks for tomorrow.

love that stuff and miss it…my little hometown village was famed for it’s Memorial Day Celebration….gotta get back up there when my baby pirate gets older

169 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:32:58pm
170 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:33:33pm

re: #165 Jeff In Ohio

What was the link? And why does a YMCA lifeguard with nipple hardware bring hope?

Thanks for the report!

171 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:34:44pm

re: #162 Naso Tang

Made where…?

In China.

172 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:35:08pm

re: #169 Gus 802

For Killgore Trout

booo!..want more pics!
I’m a woodworker myself

173 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:35:13pm

re: #166 albusteve

GO ECUADOR!

I tried for a comeback, but even Google let me down.

174 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:35:16pm

re: #164 albusteve

good points…get the old jobs back using private money rather than tax revenue…and as DF can attest, in Chicagoland, as an example, there is constantly construction or repair…365/forever, it never stops

Privatize the roads huh? No thanks:

To establish post offices and post roads

Article 1, Section 8 (scope of legislative authority)

175 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:36:13pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

Fairly well. I’ve still got a long way to go to be good at it, but I’m getting better. Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. Norton and Firefox were squabbling.

Fire Norton.

176 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:36:14pm

re: #168 albusteve

love that stuff and miss it…my little hometown village was famed for it’s Memorial Day Celebration…gotta get back up there when my baby pirate gets older

Go for it. Your posts became measurably more a little optimistic after your last trip.

177 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:36:30pm

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

no, I was not implying that….that’s for toll roads

178 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:37:17pm

re: #164 albusteve

good points…get the old jobs back using private money rather than tax revenue…and as DF can attest, in Chicagoland, as an example, there is constantly construction or repair…365/forever, it never stops

Actually, it normally stops in deep winter. Except for pothole repairs, which really are needed and which don’t really line pockets.

179 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:37:23pm

re: #172 albusteve

booo!..want more pics!
I’m a woodworker myself

These are the others I found. Last one is a page. First two are the images from Daily Life maxed out.

Image: 998x.jpg

Image: 999x.jpg

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

180 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:37:25pm

re: #176 Decatur Deb

Go for it. Your posts became measurably more a little optimistic after your last trip.

I’m sick…I’m in constant pain…
my attitude sucks most of the time
sorry

181 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:38:23pm

re: #175 b_sharp

Fire Norton.

Nope. It’s paid for, and I’d rather wait to post than pay more money right now.

182 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:38:31pm

re: #180 albusteve

I’m sick…I’m in constant pain…
my attitude sucks most of the time
sorry

{albusteve}
so sorry about this.

183 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:39:10pm

re: #180 albusteve

I’m sick…I’m in constant pain…
my attitude sucks most of the time
sorry

Sorry for your pain. You really took a bounce when the grandkid was born. My fourth is due in a month.

184 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:40:40pm

re: #165 Jeff In Ohio

We had our parade today also. The usual assortment of drum core, hoola-hooping hussies, politicians, neighboring churches, bands on flat beds, The [Link: WWW…] not the wrestlers), LGBT groups, Lawn Chair Brigade and even a solo float of a burned Butter Jesus. Sweet Butter Jesus, resurrected on the 4th of July.

We died our hair: six year old went with Shocking Pink, 12 year old Raven Black, and my short shock of white and silver went Electric Midnight Blue. With the white Sean Connery stubble, it looks pretty great.

Freaks galore.

That and the YMCA lifeguard with the nipple hardware brings hope to this heart.

Please say you will post photos. Was it the metal frame of the lightning hit Butter Jesus?

185 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:41:12pm

re: #170 wrenchwench

What was the link? And why does a YMCA lifeguard with nipple hardware bring hope?

Thanks for the report!

Sorry, that should have been the IWW.

Nipple rings on a worker of an avowed Christian organization in a conservative suburb of a small midwestern city is subtext for a more tolerant society.

186 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:41:17pm

re: #180 albusteve

I’m sick…I’m in constant pain…
my attitude sucks most of the time
sorry

Sorry to hear that Steve. Constant pain makes everything look a little darker, doesn’t it?

187 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:41:43pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

Actually, it normally stops in deep winter. Except for pothole repairs, which really are needed and which don’t really line pockets.

I lived east of there for over fifty years…I never visited Chicago when there was not construction…but you are right about dead of winter, but wtf would go there then? hahaha!….ME! to see Buddy Guy or do the Christmas gig…awesome city, just awesome imo….how long did it take to build the Indianapolis Blvd/I94 interchange?….10 years it seemed like, nice piece of work tho

188 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:42:01pm

Image: 999x.jpg

The “A Whale” skimmer, billed as the world’s largest oil skimming vessel, is seen anchored on the Mississippi River in Boothville, LA July 1, 2010. With a length of 3 1/2 football fields and towering 10 stories high, “A Whale” is designed to collect up to 500,000 barrels of oily water a day through 12 vents on either side of its bow. The ship has arrived in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico to assist with the cleanup of the BP oil spill, a government spokeswoman said Thursday.

189 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:42:03pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Nope. It’s paid for, and I’d rather wait to post than pay more money right now.

Well at least write him up.

190 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:42:42pm

re: #179 Gus 802

These are the others I found. Last one is a page. First two are the images from Daily Life maxed out.

Image: 998x.jpg

Image: 999x.jpg

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

heh….you’re okay, in spite of what i say

191 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:43:23pm

Image: 999x.jpg

A view from the deck of ‘A Whale’ skimmer, billed as the world’s largest oil skimming vessel, anchored along the Mississippi River in Boothville, Louisiana July 1, 2010. The massive ship converted into a “super skimmer” has arrived in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico to assist with cleanup of the BP oil spill, a government spokeswoman said Thursday. The 1,100-foot (335 meter)-long ore and oil carrier, dubbed the “A Whale,” is being provided by the owner, TMT Shipping of Taiwan, and can collect 500,000 barrels (21 million gallons) per day of contaminated water, said Chris Coulon, a spokeswoman for the joint incident command.

192 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:43:57pm

re: #190 albusteve

heh…you’re okay, in spite of what i say

Yeah. I still contend that I have the worst opinion of myself. /

193 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:45:13pm

re: #169 Gus 802

For Killgore Trout

Cool pic but the caption is wrong. He’s not measuring. He’s clamping the body together. Nice looking fiddles.

194 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:45:22pm

re: #184 Stanley Sea

Please say you will post photos. Was it the metal frame of the lightning hit Butter Jesus?

That would have been something, but I doubt it would fit down the road. Just one guy with a butter jesus copy on his head with upraised and charred fingers. The fun part (the real fun part of this parade) is always the juxtaposition of the neighborhood progressives, the politicians, and the churches that represent the neighborhood we lived in for a long time in the city, beautiful Northside.

195 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:45:31pm

re: #192 Gus 802

Yeah. I still contend that I have the worst opinion of myself. /

If you do, its undeserved.

196 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:45:37pm

re: #165 Jeff In Ohio

Freak flags flying for the 4th(3rd) of July!!

197 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:45:47pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Sorry for your pain. You really took a bounce when the grandkid was born. My fourth is due in a month.

I’ll be going back up in a few months if I can…as much as I gab about my little home town, it’s difficult to visit for various reasons…anyway my entire life revolves around my bad leg…time to ditch it I think, but I’m too scared to make the call, I’m getting closer tho

198 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:46:14pm

re: #193 Killgore Trout

Cool pic but the caption is wrong. He’s not measuring. He’s clamping the body together. Nice looking fiddles.

Oh yeah. You’re right.

D’oh!

199 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:46:17pm

re: #185 Jeff In Ohio

Sorry, that should have been the IWW.

Nipple rings on a worker of an avowed Christian organization in a conservative suburb of a small midwestern city is subtext for a more tolerant society.

Work made me move the family to this small Lower Alabama town. I had visited here on Temporary Duty, and was really worried about the move from the NE. A few weeks after we got here, the local cinema did a midnight “Rocky Horror”. I took the kids, and felt great because the “locals” had their toast, waterguns, and knew the dialogue.

200 Fozzie Bear  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:47:18pm

re: #10 Walter L. Newton

Well… that’s the last article I ever read on Huffingtons… there’s no place left to go… looks like if crazy sells, then crazy it is for these so called “news” sites… looks like HP is just another sellout.

This sums up my feelings. This is the last time I ever visit that site.

201 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:48:28pm

re: #185 Jeff In Ohio

Sorry, that should have been the IWW.

Wobblies? Younger than 100?

Nipple rings on a worker of an avowed Christian organization in a conservative suburb of a small midwestern city is subtext for a more tolerant society.

Ah, that makes sense. We had a small LGBT entry in the parade too. This town seems to be negotiating the influx of artists and urban escapees pretty well. The traditional cowboy/miner contingent is pretty tolerant and accepting.

202 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:48:53pm

re: #197 albusteve

Happy 4th, Steve.

203 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:49:00pm

re: #186 b_sharp

Sorry to hear that Steve. Constant pain makes everything look a little darker, doesn’t it?

bah…I can take it…except I really can’t, I’ve gone through this for two years and I’m outa juice, no matter how tough I try to be, I know deep down I’m fucked and will lose my leg…worse stuff can happen tho, alot worse

204 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:49:28pm

re: #197 albusteve

Tough decision. If you go with it, I hope it gives you your life back.

205 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:49:47pm

re: #182 reine.de.tout

{albusteve}
so sorry about this.

thanks…it will resolve itself

206 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:50:05pm

I don’t suppose anyone here has a password to access articles for Pat Buchanan’s American Conservative website. The current issue is titled “Will the Tea Parties Turn Anti-War?”
The lead article: Rand Plan
Will the Tea Parties’ fiscal prudence extend to foreign policy?

207 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:50:05pm

re: #197 albusteve

anyway my entire life revolves around my bad leg…time to ditch it I think, but I’m too scared to make the call, I’m getting closer tho

If you “ditch” your leg, will you be pain free, or just pain reduced, or is it unpredictable?

208 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:50:11pm

re: #194 Jeff In Ohio

That would have been something, but I doubt it would fit down the road. Just one guy with a butter jesus copy on his head with upraised and charred fingers. The fun part (the real fun part of this parade) is always the juxtaposition of the neighborhood progressives, the politicians, and the churches that represent the neighborhood we lived in for a long time in the city, beautiful Northside.

LOL

209 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:51:14pm

re: #200 Fozzie Bear

This sums up my feelings. This is the last time I ever visit that site.

I swore it off, but I still turn up good articles via links. They ought to be posting Unicorn hypotheses with the Lindsey Lohan articles. But mostly, it’s a lefty trashbloid.

Wish they’d drop all pretense and had nudies.

Just saying.

210 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:51:16pm

re: #197 albusteve

…anyway my entire life revolves around my bad leg…time to ditch it I think, but I’m too scared to make the call, I’m getting closer tho


That’s a hell of a decision to make.

211 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:51:21pm

re: #202 prairiefire

Happy 4th, Steve.

and the same to you….

212 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:52:20pm

re: #204 Decatur Deb

Tough decision. If you go with it, I hope it gives you your life back.

so do I brother, so do I

213 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:54:08pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

Wobblies? Younger than 100?

Yeah, I know. Weird. Yes and with chest tattoos.

214 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:55:53pm

re: #207 wrenchwench

If you “ditch” your leg, will you be pain free, or just pain reduced, or is it unpredictable?

no sure, I have blood flow problems Peripheral Arteriole Disease..just came out of nowhere…they say they can save my knee but not guaranteed…and if I heal properly I should be pain free…it’s the idea of it that freaks me out

215 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:56:35pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

That’s a hell of a decision to make.

then you make it for me bro, I trust you

216 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:56:51pm

re: #189 b_sharp

Well at least write him up.

SMACK!

217 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:57:13pm

re: #203 albusteve

bah…I can take it…except I really can’t, I’ve gone through this for two years and I’m outa juice, no matter how tough I try to be, I know deep down I’m fucked and will lose my leg…worse stuff can happen tho, alot worse

That would be a bitch of a call to make, I’m not sure I could make it. I know the following won’t help any, but it’s about the only thing I can think to say. If you do lose it and are able to afford a decent prosthetic, much of your mobility can be retained.

Virtual support over the Internet is pretty thin at best but, unless I misunderstand the atmosphere here, most here are willing to help the best we can, even if that just means listening to you.

218 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:57:26pm

Spirit Intact, a Soldier Reclaims His Life

BRENDAN Marrocco and his brother, Michael, were constructing a summer bucket list, to get them out and about, trying new things. A Washington Nationals game versus their beloved Yankees — sure, since they were stuck here rather than home on Staten Island. Perhaps a ride on the Metro, with its reliable elevators. Pizza: definitely.

How about going to an amusement park? Michael suggested optimistically.

“Would that really be safe?” asked Brendan, a smirk crossing his lips.

The beach? “I don’t do beach anymore,” Brendan replied. Then what about the National Zoo, the one with the pandas? “They got pandas?” Brendan said, razzing his brother again. “Why didn’t you mention that?”

Continues.

219 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:59:07pm

re: #197 albusteve

I’ll be going back up in a few months if I can…as much as I gab about my little home town, it’s difficult to visit for various reasons…anyway my entire life revolves around my bad leg…time to ditch it I think, but I’m too scared to make the call, I’m getting closer tho

I’d do some additional research. Treatments keep advancing and there may be something for you.

220 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 3:59:10pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

If we have to have global corporations, I want a global union. Organize the grunts in Malaysia, and we’ll have a level playing field. (That should be good for a hundred years or so of bloody struggle.)

221 Fozzie Bear  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:04:14pm

You know what pisses me off about HuffPo even more than this article?

The fact that it is nearly impossible to post anything even slightly critical of the article at hand without the filters removing it. I don’t know how the other posters managed to get their responses posted, but I can’t seem to get even a relatively tame response to not get censored.

222 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:04:37pm

re: #217 b_sharp

That would be a bitch of a call to make, I’m not sure I could make it. I know the following won’t help any, but it’s about the only thing I can think to say. If you do lose it and are able to afford a decent prosthetic, much of your mobility can be retained.

Virtual support over the Internet is pretty thin at best but, unless I misunderstand the atmosphere here, most here are willing to help the best we can, even if that just means listening to you.

yeah I was pretty insecure about the attention, so I have said not too much but what the hell…it’s a technical thing more or less, I’m not dying…I’m getting set, doing research etc, trying to set myself up for the big chop…and my ex is here to help, she’s a RN too…she will move right into the bunkhouse….there is really nothing to hide, but my tough, independent nature has taken a huge hit

223 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:04:43pm

OK, to change the subject to food, I went to this new store yesterday. Olive oil, balsamic vinegar, fresh bread, artisanal cheeses and oh my.

[Link: bakerandolive.com…]

224 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:04:58pm

Just popped in to say Happy Fourth of July, and don’t blow your hand off.

Kids were already in the 4th of July parade in Hillsboro, and now we’re eating with the extended family and taking advantage of Washington’s more lenient fireworks laws.

225 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:05:49pm

re: #217 b_sharp

and thanks for the kind words…tomorrow I’ll whack you with a 2x4…think nothing of it, that’s the nature of this place

226 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:06:27pm

re: #225 albusteve

and thanks for the kind words…tomorrow I’ll whack you with a 2x4…think nothing of it, that’s the nature of this place

We’ve got your back Steve.

227 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:08:00pm

re: #222 albusteve

yeah I was pretty insecure about the attention, so I have said not too much but what the hell…it’s a technical thing more or less, I’m not dying…I’m getting set, doing research etc, trying to set myself up for the big chop…and my ex is here to help, she’s a RN too…she will move right into the bunkhouse…there is really nothing to hide, but my tough, independent nature has taken a huge hit

I suspect you would be tough and independent without the leg, as well.
What’s taken a hit is your perception of what it takes to be tough and independent.

If they can give this cat independent mobility, they can do it for you as well.

228 Fozzie Bear  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:08:17pm

re: #222 albusteve

yeah I was pretty insecure about the attention, so I have said not too much but what the hell…it’s a technical thing more or less, I’m not dying…I’m getting set, doing research etc, trying to set myself up for the big chop…and my ex is here to help, she’s a RN too…she will move right into the bunkhouse…there is really nothing to hide, but my tough, independent nature has taken a huge hit

I know this isn’t necessarily what you want to hear, but I think you should hear it.

My best childhood friend lost both his legs from an IED in Iraq a couple of years ago, one just above the knee, one just below.

We go jogging together three times a week. We don’t go on a smooth path somewhere, we go on an old trail through the woods. I have serious trouble keeping up with him. Prosthetics have come a long way.

I hope everything works out for the best for you Steve. I can’t imagine what you are going through, but don’t lose hope dude.

229 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:08:19pm

re: #222 albusteve

I’d hate to have read your shit when you were tough and independent.

230 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:09:06pm

re: #219 Dark_Falcon

I’d do some additional research. Treatments keep advancing and there may be something for you.

I am…I keep watching, but I simply cannot continue like this…the nerve damage is probably permanent, blood flow is around 30% of normal…I can’t take much more….I gave it my best shot

231 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:12:26pm

re: #226 Stanley Sea

We’ve got your back Steve.

thanks…that means a lot

232 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:12:27pm

re: #222 albusteve

yeah I was pretty insecure about the attention, so I have said not too much but what the hell…it’s a technical thing more or less, I’m not dying…I’m getting set, doing research etc, trying to set myself up for the big chop…and my ex is here to help, she’s a RN too…she will move right into the bunkhouse…there is really nothing to hide, but my tough, independent nature has taken a huge hit

Yah, the macho male, independent soul bit has been drilled into us pretty convincingly over the years and giving up that self image can be quite the kick in the balls. It’s really good you and the ex get along well enough she’s willing to help, most ex-relationships can’t say that. If I remember my Psych well enough, the best way of dealing with the worry and stress of something like that is to research the shit out of it and talk with as many others with similar experience as possible. Sounds like your doing what you can to help yourself.

If you need somebody to talk to, let me know here and I’ll send you my email addy.

233 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:13:11pm

re: #227 reine.de.tout

I suspect you would be tough and independent without the leg, as well.
What’s taken a hit is your perception of what it takes to be tough and independent.

If they can give this cat independent mobility, they can do it for you as well.

heh…I suspect you are right, as usual
NO FEAR!

234 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:13:16pm

re: #225 albusteve

and thanks for the kind words…tomorrow I’ll whack you with a 2x4…think nothing of it, that’s the nature of this place

Steve, I would expect nothing less.

235 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:16:51pm

re: #233 albusteve

heh…I suspect you are right, as usual
NO FEAR!

Cyborg Steve.
Gotta nice ring to it.

236 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:16:59pm

re: #233 albusteve

heh…I suspect you are right, as usual
NO FEAR!

I’m so sorry…I will hold you up in prayer..
Be well and be strong

237 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:17:01pm

re: #232 b_sharp

Yah, the macho male, independent soul bit has been drilled into us pretty convincingly over the years and giving up that self image can be quite the kick in the balls. It’s really good you and the ex get along well enough she’s willing to help, most ex-relationships can’t say that. If I remember my Psych well enough, the best way of dealing with the worry and stress of something like that is to research the shit out of it and talk with as many others with similar experience as possible. Sounds like your doing what you can to help yourself.

If you need somebody to talk to, let me know here and I’ll send you my email addy.

it has been extremely difficult at times, too many times, to keep my chin up and not drag people down with me…one reason I’ve refrained from too much discussion here…but people are cool, they seem to understand without getting drippy with me…attitude is everything and certainly I’ve been challenged

238 Fozzie Bear  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:18:05pm

Steve, you are entirely too mean to be brought down by this. ;)

239 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:18:19pm

re: #229 Decatur Deb

I’d hate to have read your shit when you were tough and independent.

well I just don’t back down unless I’m wrong…
but that’s never happened has it?

240 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:19:11pm

re: #235 Varek Raith

Cyborg Steve.
Gotta nice ring to it.

We have the technology.

Steve will need a new nick though, or a sub-nick.

241 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:20:16pm

re: #238 Fozzie Bear

Steve, you are entirely too mean to be brought down by this. ;)

ya think?….you wouldn’t if you saw me in the wee hours in misery…pain is the great equalizer

242 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:20:43pm

re: #236 HoosierHoops

I’m so sorry…I will hold you up in prayer..
Be well and be strong

thanks bro…I’ll survive

243 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:21:35pm

re: #240 b_sharp

We have the technology.

Steve will need a new nick though, or a sub-nick.

Albionic Steve?

244 Fozzie Bear  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:21:40pm

re: #241 albusteve

ya think?…you wouldn’t if you saw me in the wee hours in misery…pain is the great equalizer

Dude I cried like a freaking baby when I was in recovery from my maxillofacial surgery from getting my TMJ fixed. That doesn’t make you weak. It makes you human.

245 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:22:16pm

re: #240 b_sharp

We have the technology.

Steve will need a new nick though, or a sub-nick.

now we’re getting somewhere….humor

246 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:23:01pm

Ooops, got called away for a bit… this may still be relevant:

re: #215 albusteve

then you make it for me bro, I trust you

Let’s flip a coin!

///

Seriously, that is a hell of a decision to make. You need some folks who have done it to talk to. There’s one across the street here. He used to live near me, and I saw the progression from crutches to prosthesis. He looks better than he used to, and he finally quit smoking. You wouldn’t want to talk to him though, he’s a jerk.

247 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:23:10pm

re: #153 Nimed

So tell me, Walter: which browser right-wingers prefer?

Real Men don’t use browsers.

248 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:23:26pm

re: #245 albusteve

now we’re getting somewhere…humor

It’s how I dealt with my cluster migraines.

Now, would you like a laser or missile launcher built in???

249 brownbagj  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:23:48pm

re: #222 albusteve

yeah I was pretty insecure about the attention, so I have said not too much but what the hell…it’s a technical thing more or less, I’m not dying…I’m getting set, doing research etc, trying to set myself up for the big chop…and my ex is here to help, she’s a RN too…she will move right into the bunkhouse…there is really nothing to hide, but my tough, independent nature has taken a huge hit

Your tough nature may have taken a hit, but it will also help you in this journey. We all need help from time to time, but we all need to be able to depend on our own will at times too.

250 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:24:02pm

re: #247 ryannon

Real Men don’t use browsers.

Damn.

251 Fozzie Bear  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:24:26pm

re: #247 ryannon

Real Men don’t use browsers.

Real men read source code dumped into a terminal window using wget commands.

252 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:25:15pm

re: #248 Varek Raith

It’s how I dealt with my cluster migraines.

Now, would you like a laser or missile launcher built in???

It would have to be a frikkin laser, dude. Missiles are too bulky for the new speed demon Steve.

253 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:25:33pm

re: #251 Fozzie Bear

Real men read source code dumped into a terminal window using wget commands.

Real men punch paper tape, and they punch it hard.

254 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:25:44pm

re: #246 wrenchwench

Ooops, got called away for a bit… this may still be relevant:

Let’s flip a coin!

///

Seriously, that is a hell of a decision to make. You need some folks who have done it to talk to. There’s one across the street here. He used to live near me, and I saw the progression from crutches to prosthesis. He looks better than he used to, and he finally quit smoking. You wouldn’t want to talk to him though, he’s a jerk.

I’ve talked pretty extensively to a couple of guys with no leg….they both said the exact same thing…cut it off and move on, life is short, and now so is your leg!
(I made that part up)

255 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:26:19pm

re: #252 b_sharp

It would have to be a frikkin laser, dude. Missiles are too bulky for the new speed demon Steve.

That depends.
Lasers are precise.
Missiles are FIREBOOMSHOCKWAVE awesome.

256 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:26:36pm

re: #247 ryannon

Real Men don’t use browsers.

Real Men turn on their computers and surf with this.

257 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:27:11pm

re: #246 wrenchwench

Ooops, got called away for a bit… this may still be relevant:

Let’s flip a coin!

///

Seriously, that is a hell of a decision to make. You need some folks who have done it to talk to. There’s one across the street here. He used to live near me, and I saw the progression from crutches to prosthesis. He looks better than he used to, and he finally quit smoking. You wouldn’t want to talk to him though, he’s a jerk.

I don’t think I could make that call. But I’m not as strong as Steve. I’d just spend my time whining instead.

258 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:28:04pm

re: #249 brownbagj

Your tough nature may have taken a hit, but it will also help you in this journey. We all need help from time to time, but we all need to be able to depend on our own will at times too.

yeah, I’m beginning to look at thing differently….I can really bust a move in the pit…will I still be a star? that’s up to me eh?

259 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:28:28pm

re: #38 Tigger2005

Was it the Cro-Magnons kidnapping and raping the hulking low-browed hairy Neanderthal women, ya think, or the other way around? And why am I suddenly reminded of Peter Boyle and Madeline Khan in Young Frankenstein?

Gosh, that’s a toughie. Orangutans have a well documented propensity to forcible penetration of human females. Human males have been known to busy themselves with donkeys, sheep, etc. etc. and it seems beyond belief that they would have passed on Neanderthal females, given the opportunity.

If Neanderthal males were anything like human or orang males, they too would have had, shall we say, catholic taste in females. And who can say whether it would have gone beyond the brute physical stage? Offspring are more likely to survive if cared for by a pair-bonded couple, and only offspring that live to puberty count in this game. Humans are well known to develop deep Platonic attachments to individuals not of our own species, after all, while true love easily spans the widest racial gaps now found in our species.

There must have been a lot of that, with our two related species living alongside each other for thousands of years, and viable offspring in at least a few cases. And some of those, evidently, mated with other humans.

We probably also hunted and ate each other, as we have done within our own species at least until very recently. This didn’t end with the Aztecs, and it didn’t end with the Khmer Rouge, and unfortunately we probably haven’t seen the last of it.

260 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:29:40pm

re: #248 Varek Raith

It’s how I dealt with my cluster migraines.

Now, would you like a laser or missile launcher built in???

a legbong maybe?…I think my brawling days are long gone, I did okay tho

261 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:29:44pm

re: #256 JasonA

Real Men turn on their computers and surf with this.

Real men conjure up the internet through sheer psychic will power.

262 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:30:25pm

re: #255 Varek Raith

That depends.
Lasers are precise.
Missiles are FIREBOOMSHOCKWAVE awesome.

Yah, but Albionic Steve would have to tow a trailer for the thing. Besides, there is no subtlety, no finesse in just blowing shit up. Mind you, it would be kick-ass fun and scare the bejesus out of the bad guys. Hell, put ‘em both on and watch the bad guys crap their pants.

263 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:31:26pm

re: #259 lostlakehiker

Gosh, that’s a toughie. Orangutans have a well documented propensity to forcible penetration of human females. Human males have been known to busy themselves with donkeys, sheep, etc. etc. and it seems beyond belief that they would have passed on Neanderthal females, given the opportunity.

If Neanderthal males were anything like human or orang males, they too would have had, shall we say, catholic taste in females. And who can say whether it would have gone beyond the brute physical stage? Offspring are more likely to survive if cared for by a pair-bonded couple, and only offspring that live to puberty count in this game. Humans are well known to develop deep Platonic attachments to individuals not of our own species, after all, while true love easily spans the widest racial gaps now found in our species.

There must have been a lot of that, with our two related species living alongside each other for thousands of years, and viable offspring in at least a few cases. And some of those, evidently, mated with other humans.

We probably also hunted and ate each other, as we have done within our own species at least until very recently. This didn’t end with the Aztecs, and it didn’t end with the Khmer Rouge, and unfortunately we probably haven’t seen the last of it.

Everything goes better with a little Grey Poupon.

264 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:31:28pm

re: #262 b_sharp

Yah, but Albionic Steve would have to tow a trailer for the thing. Besides, there is no subtlety, no finesse in just blowing shit up. Mind you, it would be kick-ass fun and scare the bejesus out of the bad guys. Hell, put ‘em both on and watch the bad guys crap their pants.

shock and awe will never become totally obsolete

265 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:31:35pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think I could make that call. But I’m not as strong as Steve. I’d just spend my time whining instead.

And I bet you’d be bloody good at it too.

266 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:31:51pm

re: #261 Varek Raith

Real men conjure up the internet through sheer psychic will power.

A sure sign of true masculine cognitivity.

/Aka making shit up.

//

267 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:32:42pm

re: #264 albusteve

shock and awe will never become totally obsolete

There is no ‘overkill.’ There is only ‘open fire’ and ‘I need to reload.’

268 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:32:55pm

re: #265 b_sharp

And I bet you’d be bloody good at it too.

True. Sorry about being depressing. I’m just not very optimistic about how I’d handle nasty, long term, problems.

269 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:33:22pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think I could make that call. But I’m not as strong as Steve. I’d just spend my time whining instead.

bullshit…wtf? are you a Chicagoan or not?…don’t be talking shit like that

270 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:33:31pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think I could make that call. But I’m not as strong as Steve. I’d just spend my time whining instead.

You strike me as someone who underestimates himself.

271 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:33:35pm

re: #256 JasonA

Real Men turn on their computers and surf with this.

Uh, I think this is better.

Image: pipeline_hawaii_2008.jpg

272 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:33:50pm

re: #267 Varek Raith

There is no ‘overkill.’ There is only ‘open fire’ and ‘I need to reload.’

Shouldn’t that be ‘I need to recharge.’, given that you use a Superlaser? :D

273 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:34:08pm

re: #261 Varek Raith

Real men conjure up the internet through sheer psychic will power.

And then Chuck Norris roundhouse kicks them in the head for lowering the bar for “Real Men.”

274 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:34:55pm

re: #267 Varek Raith

There is no ‘overkill.’ There is only ‘open fire’ and ‘I need to reload.’

“need another barrel over here!”
they don’t call it the Mad Minute for nothing

275 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:35:20pm

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

True. Sorry about being depressing. I’m just not very optimistic about how I’d handle nasty, long term, problems.

Bro, I think you would surprise yourself. In fact, I’m sure you would.

276 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:35:28pm

re: #270 wrenchwench

You strike me as someone who underestimates himself.

Maybe.

277 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:35:50pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Maybe.

*Whack*
Quit waffling!
:)

278 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:36:32pm

re: #273 JasonA

And then Chuck Norris roundhouse kicks them in the head for lowering the bar for “Real Men.”

And then he published a batshit-crazy article on WeirdNutDaily.

279 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:37:10pm

re: #273 JasonA

And then Chuck Norris roundhouse kicks them in the head for lowering the bar for “Real Men.”

pffft!….I have Chuck’s nuts in a jar on my shelf

280 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:37:26pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Maybe.

I second Varek’s *whack*!!

281 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:38:28pm

re: #280 b_sharp

I second Varek’s *whack*!!

AIRPLANE!
WHACK!

282 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:39:49pm

re: #279 albusteve

pffft!…I have Chuck’s nuts in a jar on my shelf

I had a feeling he was missing his.

283 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:39:53pm

re: #279 albusteve

pffft!…I have Chuck’s nuts in a jar on my shelf

He can grow another pair.

284 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:41:32pm

re: #278 Dark_Falcon

And then he published a batshit-crazy article on WeirdNutDaily.

This still made me laugh when I first saw it.

285 Boogberg  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:41:35pm

Mandy could be hot. Check it out:

286 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:41:43pm

re: #282 b_sharp

I had a feeling he was missing his.

when I saw his toe nails fly over my head I said to myself whoa!…Chucky Mountain oysters!

287 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:42:42pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

Not much to quote here, but the effect of tax cuts depends on what kind of tax cut we’re talking about. People are remarkably rational with money, even if we’re not perfect at it. A windfall is not the occasion for a higher permanent level of spending. It’s a windfall. You use it to pay down debt, maybe treat yourself a little, and you sock some of it away.

A raise is different. With a raise, you can think in terms of a bigger house, better colleges for the kids, more kids? You can move to a higher permanent level of spending. You’ll still probably sock a fraction of it away. If incomes can go up, they can go down, right?

A tax ‘rebate’ check is a windfall. A tax cut that is driven by relatively permanent political forces, forces sufficient to keep it in force for a decade or two, is another matter. Long term tax cuts paid off big time, both Kennedy’s and Reagan’s.

Turn it around. Permanent confiscatory levels of taxation drag an economy down. Witness the demise of the simple peasant oxcart in Turkey after the Muslim conquest. There was no longer any point in attempting to own this highly portable, very expensive, very useful “means of production”. It would not be yours for long after you bought it, and the things were like modern autos, beyond the skill of the normal household to make for home use.

Entrepreneurial spirits can only exist when the taxation climate leaves the better part of the earnings in possession of those who earn it. Cutting taxes from 70% to 50% to 30% will probably result, over the long term, in a stronger economy and more revenues for the government. Cutting them from there to 20% or 10% might perhaps build the economy a bit more, but the government’s revenue would be reduced. At some point, the govt becomes too weak to perform its core missions and then the essential prerequisite for any type of commerce, a government that enforces contracts and overawes highwaymen and brigands, fails.

288 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:42:59pm

re: #283 JasonA

He can grow another pair.

recovering in a convent

289 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:43:41pm

re: #286 albusteve

when I saw his toe nails fly over my head I said to myself whoa!…Chucky Mountain oysters!

All you need is some Chianti and fava beans.

290 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:45:03pm

re: #289 b_sharp

All you need is some Chianti and fava beans.

poor Chuck…I hope he’s reading this

291 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:46:56pm

re: #197 albusteve

I’ll be going back up in a few months if I can…as much as I gab about my little home town, it’s difficult to visit for various reasons…anyway my entire life revolves around my bad leg…time to ditch it I think, but I’m too scared to make the call, I’m getting closer tho

There was a show on TV the other night about this charity that arranges adventure hikes for Afghanistan/Iraq war veterans who have lost a leg (or both). Quite a few of them have summited places such as Elbrus, Kilimanjaro, or McKinley. Now these are young men who started out at the peak of physical fitness, but still, the prostheses these days are clearly way, way better than those of ten or twenty years ago.

292 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:47:11pm

At some point, the govt becomes too weak to perform its core missions and then the essential prerequisite for any type of commerce, a government that enforces contracts and overawes highwaymen and brigands, fails.

that’s when we invade…I’ll have Joe Biden fixing my morning coffee for me….
jus kidding

293 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:48:35pm

re: #290 albusteve

poor Chuck…I hope he’s reading this

ROTFLMAO.

Chuck has made himself into a loony, laughing stock caricature of his former self.

294 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:48:42pm

re: #291 lostlakehiker

There was a show on TV the other night about this charity that arranges adventure hikes for Afghanistan/Iraq war veterans who have lost a leg (or both). Quite a few of them have summited places such as Elbrus, Kilimanjaro, or McKinley. Now these are young men who started out at the peak of physical fitness, but still, the prostheses these days are clearly way, way better than those of ten or twenty years ago.

will I still get a parrot?…
you’re certainly right tho
thanks

295 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:49:10pm

re: #293 b_sharp

ROTFLMAO.

Chuck has made himself into a loony, laughing stock caricature of his former self.

I keep the man separate from the character in my mind.

296 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:49:22pm

re: #294 albusteve

will I still get a parrot?…
you’re certainly right tho
thanks

Aye, matey.
Ye be gettin’ a parrot!

297 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:50:12pm

re: #296 Varek Raith

Aye, matey.
Ye be gettin’ a parrot!

Swear words and rude comments optional.

298 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:50:52pm

re: #297 b_sharp

Swear words and rude comments optional.

Rum mandatory, though.

299 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:51:02pm

re: #297 b_sharp

Swear words and rude comments optional.

My mom’s friend has a bird that tells strangers to “fuck off”
Lol.

300 Fozzie Bear  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:51:36pm

re: #296 Varek Raith

Aye, matey.
Ye be gettin’ a parrot!

Dude…. The nick “Pirate Steve” comes to mind. (From Dodgeball)

301 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:52:11pm

re: #298 JasonA

Rum mandatory, though.

302 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:52:18pm

re: #296 Varek Raith

Aye, matey.
Ye be gettin’ a parrot!

I sent a pic of me to a lizard here of me getting my pic taken of Parrots sitting on me..Yes..All over me..It was a crazy day..Effen bird were huge…

303 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:52:29pm

re: #299 Varek Raith

My mom’s friend has a bird that tells strangers to “fuck off”
Lol.

Now that would be quite the fashion accessory.

304 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:53:48pm

re: #293 b_sharp

ROTFLMAO.

Chuck has made himself into a loony, laughing stock caricature of his former self.

he’s just trying to say something and that’s cool….I’m sure when we meet up he will be very disappointed that I’m not his fan and care jack about what he says….you know, these times are crazy and normally reasonable people are saying some crazy shit…I don’t hate Chuck but he ain’t getting his nuts back, that’s the price you pay Chuck….go to Texas, kill hogs and fergetaboutit!

305 brownbagj  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:54:01pm

re: #296 Varek Raith

Aye, matey.
Ye be gettin’ a parrot!

What about an eye patch? Could switch eyes every now and then to really screw with folks.

306 brownbagj  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:55:14pm

And all of this talk about “frikkin” lasers has me thinking Dr. Evil.

307 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:55:21pm
308 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:55:28pm

re: #297 b_sharp

Swear words and rude comments optional.

I’ll happily pay the difference…wth good is a parrot if it can’t tell you to go fuck your mother

309 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:55:31pm
310 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:56:36pm

re: #307 Gus 802

CNN Worlds Largest oil Skimmer, “A Whale”


[Video]

she’s here and she’s thirsty….unleash the beast

311 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:57:04pm

re: #310 albusteve

she’s here and she’s thirsty…unleash the beast

Get-er-done!

Hope it works.

312 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:57:20pm

re: #308 albusteve

Check with the Brooklyn Pets ‘R Us.

313 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:57:49pm

A parrot on one shoulder and a metal prosthetic would look tough.

314 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:57:59pm

re: #310 albusteve

she’s here and she’s thirsty…unleash the beast

I love technology. You could say I’m a technology junkie. Gotta have our stuff.

315 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:58:42pm

re: #313 prairiefire

A parrot on one shoulder and a metal prosthetic would look tough.

Need a patch over one eye, too.

316 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:58:45pm

re: #312 Decatur Deb

Check with the Brooklyn Pets ‘R Us.

ahaha!…a NYC parrot!
“up against the car asshole”
“up against……

317 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 4:59:49pm

re: #313 prairiefire

A parrot on one shoulder and a metal prosthetic would look tough.

I’m working on a future gig with Pirate Daily…they dig my long silvery hair

318 brownbagj  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:00:31pm

re: #312 Decatur Deb

Check with the Brooklyn Pets ‘R Us.

Brooklyn? Does it have the accent too?

It would be awesome to have a parrot talk like, “Hey youse. Youse lookin at me? You talking to me? Go F youself.” etc, etc….

319 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:01:08pm

re: #317 albusteve

I’m working on a future gig with Pirate Daily…they dig my long silvery hair

Which hair, the right one or the left one? (says the bald guy)

320 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:01:39pm

re: #308 albusteve

I’ll happily pay the difference…wth good is a parrot if it can’t tell you to go fuck your mother

I have got a pic for you bro.. I sent it to Floral way back..I have a pic of me with these huge fricking Parrot birds on me..I’m smiling but I think the look in my eye was if you bite me I effen swear I will ring your neck and kill you..
Smile for the camera..
I swear I’ll kill you Parrots
Smile
I’m smiling…Just click it already..
Turned out a pretty good pic steve..I swear I would have killed those bastard birds..*wink*

321 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:02:08pm

re: #316 albusteve

ahaha!…a NYC parrot!
“up against the car asshole”
“up against…

Sounds like an NYPD parrot to me. By contrast, an NY City Council parrot would say:

“Raise taxes!”
“Raise social spending!”
“Get Washington bailout!”

322 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:03:19pm

re: #320 HoosierHoops

I have got a pic for you bro.. I sent it to Floral way back..I have a pic of me with these huge fricking Parrot birds on me..I’m smiling but I think the look in my eye was if you bite me I effen swear I will ring your neck and kill you..
Smile for the camera..
I swear I’ll kill you Parrots
Smile
I’m smiling…Just click it already..
Turned out a pretty good pic steve..I swear I would have killed those bastard birds..*wink*

Before or after they ate your eyeballs?

323 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:04:00pm

re: #319 b_sharp

Which hair, the right one or the left one? (says the bald guy)

still have all my shining, gleaming, streaming flaxen waxen….
give me down to there Hair!
shoulder length or longer Hair!

324 calochortus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:04:35pm

re: #317 albusteve

Absolutely go with the parrot…

You have my sympathy (if you’re not too tough and rugged for that ;-) ) I was something of a basket case before my knee replacement last fall and that’s not even in the same category as amputation, so I can only imagine how you feel. The thing that helped me most was a friend who had had the surgery spending some time with me talking about her experience. Perhaps you can find someone who has been in your situation to talk to. Best of luck.

325 brownbagj  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:04:42pm

re: #317 albusteve

I’m working on a future gig with Pirate Daily…they dig my long silvery hair

Better to turn grey than turn loose.

326 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:04:42pm
327 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:05:43pm

re: #320 HoosierHoops

I have got a pic for you bro.. I sent it to Floral way back..I have a pic of me with these huge fricking Parrot birds on me..I’m smiling but I think the look in my eye was if you bite me I effen swear I will ring your neck and kill you..
Smile for the camera..
I swear I’ll kill you Parrots
Smile
I’m smiling…Just click it already..
Turned out a pretty good pic steve..I swear I would have killed those bastard birds..*wink*

parrots are cool for the very reason they don’t like you

328 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:06:54pm

re: #323 albusteve

still have all my shining, gleaming, streaming flaxen waxen…
give me down to there Hair!
shoulder length or longer Hair!

I did the long curly hair halfway down the back bit, now I’m doing the shiny bald as a baby’s bottom head bit. I prefer the former.

329 brownbagj  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:07:03pm

A friend had let his parrot out of the cage and it my lip. It also left a pretty big stain on the opposite wall….

330 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:07:11pm

Parrots live so long their owners have to make provisions for them in their will.

331 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:07:13pm

re: #324 calochortus

Absolutely go with the parrot…

You have my sympathy (if you’re not too tough and rugged for that ;-) ) I was something of a basket case before my knee replacement last fall and that’s not even in the same category as amputation, so I can only imagine how you feel. The thing that helped me most was a friend who had had the surgery spending some time with me talking about her experience. Perhaps you can find someone who has been in your situation to talk to. Best of luck.

thanks…as whimpy as I’ve turned out, I’ll take the luck

332 brownbagj  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:08:41pm

re: #329 brownbagj

It bit my lip. Sheesh I can’t type.

333 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:09:03pm

re: #320 HoosierHoops

I have got a pic for you bro.. I sent it to Floral way back..I have a pic of me with these huge fricking Parrot birds on me..I’m smiling but I think the look in my eye was if you bite me I effen swear I will ring your neck and kill you..
Smile for the camera..
I swear I’ll kill you Parrots
Smile
I’m smiling…Just click it already..
Turned out a pretty good pic steve..I swear I would have killed those bastard birds..*wink*

I’m still waiting on the blue hair pic.

334 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:09:05pm

re: #330 prairiefire

Parrots live so long their owners have to make provisions for them in their will.

One that was said to be Darwin’s just died a couple months ago—the documentation isn’t there, though.

335 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:09:35pm

re: #330 prairiefire

Parrots live so long their owners have to make provisions for them in their will.

Yep, looked into getting an African Gray. Listened online to its loud ass squawk (that apparently will go on forever) and read about how long they live. Changed out minds really quick.

336 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:09:54pm

re: #328 b_sharp

I did the long curly hair halfway down the back bit, now I’m doing the shiny bald as a baby’s bottom head bit. I prefer the former.

I shave myself with an electric thing…then my hair grows to my shoulders, or close…then I repeat the process like my Neanderthal ancestors did

337 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:10:00pm

re: #322 b_sharp

Before or after they ate your eyeballs?

Them parrots were effen huge! Freaked me out…
I sent the picture off to out lizards friends..You could see the look in my eyes.. I’m smiling at the camera..Thinking..One false move I swear to gawd I will will kill you birds..I don’t care how pretty you are…I will ring your neck…
We should put the pic in the next cookbook under Bird dishes

338 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:11:28pm

BBL

339 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:12:34pm

re: #333 reine.de.tout

I’m still waiting on the blue hair pic.

Did you get the Bird pic from Floral? I’m still looking around for the blue hair pic…The girl in the cube next to me took it and sent it to me. I’ll find it

340 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:12:52pm

re: #336 albusteve

I shave myself with an electric thing…then my hair grows to my shoulders, or close…then I repeat the process like my Neanderthal ancestors did

I have four braids saved from across the decades. Soon I will cut off a gray silver braid. The others are brown; the California ones kind of golden, the Northwest one darker.

341 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:13:33pm

re: #336 albusteve

I shave myself with an electric thing…then my hair grows to my shoulders, or close…then I repeat the process like my Neanderthal ancestors did

Wait, your Neanderthal ancestors had electric things?

342 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:13:45pm

re: #339 HoosierHoops

Did you get the Bird pic from Floral? I’m still looking around for the blue hair pic…The girl in the cube next to me took it and sent it to me. I’ll find it

Nobody sends me nuthin without permission.

343 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:14:57pm

re: #341 wrenchwench

Wait, your Neanderthal ancestors had electric things?

Of course they did!
They also went to the supermarket and bought their meat all nicely pre-cut and packaged, and their soup in cans.
Just like we do.

344 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:16:33pm

re: #342 reine.de.tout

Nobody sends me nuthin without permission.

I have a pic of me with these huge freaking parrot birds sitting on my arms..
Scared the hell out of me..I’ll send it next week..This time next week I’ll be blogging from a hotel in Oklahoma..
*waves*

345 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:17:30pm

re: #340 wrenchwench

I have four braids saved from across the decades. Soon I will cut off a gray silver braid. The others are brown; the California ones kind of golden, the Northwest one darker.

I moved to CO from MI back in the day…on our roundabout way I was up in Flagstaff with friends….my girl friend braided my hair one last time and cut it off….18+ inches long, and I sent it to my mom in a shoebox, where she has it kept to this day….that was 1972

346 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:17:48pm

re: #343 reine.de.tout

peaches

Peaches come from a can
They were put there by a man
in a factory downtown

347 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:18:36pm

re: #341 wrenchwench

Wait, your Neanderthal ancestors had electric things?

yes, they were call Superthals

348 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:18:52pm

re: #344 HoosierHoops

I have a pic of me with these huge freaking parrot birds sitting on my arms..
Scared the hell out of me..I’ll send it next week..This time next week I’ll be blogging from a hotel in Oklahoma..
*waves*

I’ll be looking forward to it!

349 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:18:58pm

re: #165 Jeff In Ohio

We had our parade today also. The usual assortment of drum core, hoola-hooping hussies, politicians, neighboring churches, bands on flat beds, The [Link: WWW…] not the wrestlers), LGBT groups, Lawn Chair Brigade and even a solo float of a burned Butter Jesus. Sweet Butter Jesus, resurrected on the 4th of July.

We died our hair: six year old went with Shocking Pink, 12 year old Raven Black, and my short shock of white and silver went Electric Midnight Blue. With the white Sean Connery stubble, it looks pretty great.

Freaks galore.

That and the YMCA lifeguard with the nipple hardware brings hope to this heart.

Where in Ohio? I’m not that far from the remains of “Butter Jesus” myself (I called him “Muffed Punt Jesus” for how wide his arms were spread).

I’d dye my hair, but my hair died over 25 years ago.

re: #315 reine.de.tout

Need a patch over one eye, too.

I wore an eyepatch in a play, and each scene I’d switch it from eye to eye, my little homage to Marty Feldman.

re: #254 albusteve

I’ve talked pretty extensively to a couple of guys with no leg…they both said the exact same thing…cut it off and move on, life is short, and now so is your leg!
(I made that part up)

Good luck with your decision. Knowing what you have to do intellectually is always easier than doing it.

350 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:19:06pm

re: #337 HoosierHoops

Them parrots were effen huge! Freaked me out…
I sent the picture off to out lizards friends..You could see the look in my eyes.. I’m smiling at the camera..Thinking..One false move I swear to gawd I will will kill you birds..I don’t care how pretty you are…I will ring your neck…
We should put the pic in the next cookbook under Bird dishes

Aren’t you glad they read your mind and didn’t attack?

You know, I think LGF needs a place to share photos.

351 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:20:51pm

re: #344 HoosierHoops

I have a pic of me with these huge freaking parrot birds sitting on my arms..
Scared the hell out of me..I’ll send it next week..This time next week I’ll be blogging from a hotel in Oklahoma..
*waves*

Um, when you wave, you should use all your fingers.

352 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:21:05pm

re: #335 Stanley Sea

Yep, looked into getting an African Gray. Listened online to its loud ass squawk (that apparently will go on forever) and read about how long they live. Changed out minds really quick.

I recommend the Norwegian Blue.

353 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:21:49pm

re: #349 ClaudeMonet

I’m finding that out again…I’ve had some rough times but non involved removal of body parts

354 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:21:50pm

re: #347 albusteve

yes, they were call Superthals

Not Mallthals?

355 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:22:14pm

re: #350 b_sharp

Aren’t you glad they read your mind and didn’t attack?

You know, I think LGF needs a place to share photos.

The Pages!
Great feature, isn’t it?

Look for tags “photography” or “photos” etc.

And because the pages is such a great feature, it might be well worth it to help support LGF this weekend with a donation, a subscription or a cookbook purchase!

And RWC has extended his photo offer - first two purchasers of a cookbook this weekend get a free copy of the photo of their choice from RWC or Dragon Lady’s photo collection, right here on LGF in the Pages!

356 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:23:01pm

re: #354 b_sharp

Not Mallthals?

please don’t be stupid…there were no malls then

357 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:23:21pm

re: #355 reine.de.tout

I think only one left! Cathypop got one earlier.

358 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:24:53pm

re: #357 Rightwingconspirator

I think only one left! Cathypop got one earlier.

OK! Sorry
ONE LEFT!

359 albusteve  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:25:23pm

time out…
almost reminds my of the old days….
you people crack me up…

there is one of these parked over the way…gotta check it out

Image: ford_galaxie_500_xl_1964.jpg

360 Mr. Hammer  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:25:27pm

re: #352 ClaudeMonet

I recommend the Norwegian Blue.

Beautiful plumage!

361 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:27:21pm

re: #348 reine.de.tout

I’ll be looking forward to it!

You’ll love the Hoopster with Big Birds on him…I’m blown away..I emailed a few pics out expecting there are no secrets on the web..But our Lizards have been trustworthy.. Not that I doubted it..But jeez..How nice…and refreshing..
I’ll get you pics next week my dear friend…

362 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:28:31pm

re: #356 albusteve

please don’t be stupid…there were no malls then

Look, if there was graffiti in that cave, then it was so a mall.

363 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:28:37pm

re: #360 Mr. Hammer

Beautiful plumage!

Nah. It’s ‘pining for the fiords’ lead the breed to throw its lot in with fiordman and the fascists.

/kidding

364 Fozzie Bear  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:30:37pm

Some of my favorite animals of all time are parrots.

My sister has a blue and gold macaw that is possibly the sweetest creature that I have ever met. She also has an amazon that will bite everybody besides her, hard.

Parrots have a wider range of possible personalities than dogs and cats, I think. They can be totally freaking evil, total teddy bears, and everything in between.

365 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:32:17pm

re: #359 albusteve

time out…
almost reminds my of the old days…
you people crack me up…

there is one of these parked over the way…gotta check it out

Image: ford_galaxie_500_xl_1964.jpg

Back in ‘64 we had a neighbour with one of those. He got it stuck in his gravel driveway.

366 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:35:20pm

re: #359 albusteve

time out…
almost reminds my of the old days…
you people crack me up…

there is one of these parked over the way…gotta check it out

Image: ford_galaxie_500_xl_1964.jpg

There were some classic cars in the parade today. One was an Avanti. Be sure to tell him when you see him!

367 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:40:19pm

Have a great 4th, y’all.

See you on the fifth.

368 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:40:40pm

And so it begins…

ISLIP TERRACE, N.Y. (AP) — Police say a man lighting fireworks has blown off his arm at a party on New York’s Long Island.

Suffolk County police say the 36-year-old man’s friends and relatives retrieved his severed left arm and packed it into a cooler after the blast Saturday. Police say doctors at a hospital are trying to reattach the limb.

[Link: hosted.ap.org…]

369 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:41:34pm

re: #367 wrenchwench

Have a great 4th, y’all.

See you on the fifth.

Have good night, WW!

370 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:42:19pm

re: #368 Stanley Sea

And so it begins…

[Link: hosted.ap.org…]

Police believe the man leaned over a mortar to ignite it outside a home in Islip (EYE’-slip) Terrace around 5:45 p.m. He apparently didn’t or couldn’t get out of the way before the explosive went off.

A mortar. What fun.

371 firstinla  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:43:40pm

Our neighborhood day started with a kid down the hill setting off fireworks INSIDE his family’s garage…burnt it to the ground

372 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:46:02pm

re: #368 Stanley Sea

And so it begins…

[Link: hosted.ap.org…]

We’re going to have one or more idiots shooting a gun into the air, injuring or killing somebody when the bullets fall back down. It happens every year.

373 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:47:13pm

re: #26 Rightwingconspirator

So I’m making sure the offer stands this weekend and the eligible overnight sales get their offer too.

So here is what I’ll do. Two more last prints for the next 2 cookbooks sold. In the spirit of Independence Day, anytime over the holiday weekend. Independence day for the nation and independent thinks here. Heck even the recipes have an independent flavor.

What a thoughtful offer.

374 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:47:46pm

re: #372 reine.de.tout

We’re going to have one or more idiots shooting a gun into the air, injuring or killing somebody when the bullets fall back down. It happens every year.

Didn’t the MythBusters bust that idea?

375 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:48:35pm

re: #371 firstinla

Our neighborhood day started with a kid down the hill setting off fireworks INSIDE his family’s garage…burnt it to the ground

Oh boy!

376 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:49:06pm

re: #371 firstinla

Our neighborhood day started with a kid down the hill setting off fireworks INSIDE his family’s garage…burnt it to the ground

Fireworks are legal in Indiana… There is no shit Vietnam warfare explosions everywhere 24/7..There are explosions every couple of minutes and sometimes seconds…Winston is hiding under the bed..Wussy…

377 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:49:16pm

re: #294 albusteve

will I still get a parrot?…
you’re certainly right tho
thanks

Speaking of parrots, there’s a story there about deep Platonic attachments across species. It can go both ways. Alex and Me, by Irene Pfefferberg, recounts the story of a scientist and her primary research subject, an African Grey’s parrot [Alex] who learned a lot of more-than-tricks.

Sample: How many green squares, Alex? (Shown a tray with 3 green circles, 4 red triangles, two green triangles, 2 green squares, 1 red square, 2 blue stars, a blue square, etc.)

Answer. 4

No, Alex.

Answer: 5.

No, Alex. You’ll just have to go in your cage. [“Time Out” ensues]

From within the cage: “I’m sorry. Two.”

Absolute tear-jerker of an ending.

Taking a parrot as a pet is a real responsibility. As much so as with a dog. You have a social animal with a rudimentary knowledge of right and wrong, a capacity for loyalty and attachment, and an astonishing ability to think, considering the tiny brain it has to work with.

378 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:50:17pm

re: #374 b_sharp

Didn’t the MythBusters bust that idea?

Sorry, I just checked, and the myth was confirmed. My mistake.

379 Interesting Times  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:53:05pm

re: #228 Fozzie Bear

We go jogging together three times a week. We don’t go on a smooth path somewhere, we go on an old trail through the woods. I have serious trouble keeping up with him. Prosthetics have come a long way.

Oscar Pistorius - the “fastest man on no legs”

ABC News clip about him:

I still can’t believe he was disqualified from the Olympics on the grounds his prostheses gave him an “unfair advantage” o_O

380 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:55:31pm

re: #379 publicityStunted

Oscar Pistorius - the “fastest man on no legs”

ABC News clip about him:

[Video]

I still can’t believe he was disqualified from the Olympics on the grounds his prostheses gave him an “unfair advantage” o_O

Heh. Maybe they didn’t want to risk the humiliation of having the other athletes humiliated by him.

381 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:56:10pm

re: #85 Gus 802

“He wrote in his letter to his family, ‘He is missed. He was one of the leading figures of Fatah and spent his life in resistance [against the occupation] and sincere work as well as physical sacrifice for his people’s just causes,’ ” the news agency said of Abbas.

Fatah, the good terrorists.™

382 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:56:11pm

re: #377 lostlakehiker

Just added that to my books to get list.

There is a really cool bird sanctuary in Del Mar, CA - Free Flight Birds, where people board their birds and others are there for recovery. You walk through and they will perch on you etc. It’s really excellent.

[Link: www.freeflightbirds.com…]

383 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:56:21pm

re: #376 HoosierHoops

Fireworks are legal in Indiana… There is no shit Vietnam warfare explosions everywhere 24/7..There are explosions every couple of minutes and sometimes seconds…Winston is hiding under the bed..Wussy…

I know. That’s why so many fireworks stores are in Northwest Indiana, because only that way can people from Chicago evade Illinois’s strict anti-fireworks laws. Yet, despite those laws, there will be many private fireworks shoots this weekend. One such firework went off as a I write this.

384 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 5:58:16pm

re: #374 b_sharp

Didn’t the MythBusters bust that idea?

No, they just proved you need a very steep angle to make a good aerodynamic
arc. Tumbling slowed down most rounds. The US Army has taken at least one fatality from celebratory fire in SWA.

385 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:02:53pm

For the record LGF runs great on this PC

The most important bits are a 64bit OS and 8 gig of Ram (though 6 is enough)

Even with 4gigs of Ram there is a big boost from going to 64bit windows. In fact the biggest boost is from 3.25gig to 4gig, followed by 4gig to 5gig.

386 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:05:03pm

Good news. Seven attacks. Seven.

Hemet police arrested two suspects, one a convicted felon, for seven violent attacks against the police agency that have put this small Riverside County city on edge for months, authorities announced Saturday.

Nicholas John Smit, 40, of Hemet, was charged with attempted murder of a police officer and building a potentially deadly booby trap and targeting law enforcement officers. Smit already faces charges for cultivating marijuana, the result of an earlier arrest made by Hemet police, said Chief Richard Dana.
Authorities discussed few details about the case. However, Dana said Smit made it clear that he didn’t like the police before invoking his right to remain silent.

387 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:05:35pm

re: #386 Stanley Sea

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com…]

388 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:06:11pm

re: #373 Bagua

Thanks. Glad to assist.

389 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:06:58pm

re: #386 Stanley Sea

Good news. Seven attacks. Seven.

These two should be beaten within an inch of their lives, and then sent to prison for life. Anti-police attacks cannot be tolerated.

390 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:08:28pm

re: #374 b_sharp

Didn’t the MythBusters bust that idea?

I don’t know.
I do know that every year we have one or two people injured by bullets falling back down. According to this article, it is entirely possible.

391 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:09:01pm

re: #389 Dark_Falcon

These two should be beaten within an inch of their lives, and then sent to prison for life. Anti-police attacks cannot be tolerated.

We don’t do that to people, DF.

392 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:10:20pm

re: #101 Varek Raith

Back using Chrome.
Let’s see if it’s any good…

Please keep us updated on this vital issue.

re: #389 Dark_Falcon

These two should be beaten within an inch of their lives, and then sent to prison for life. Anti-police attacks cannot be tolerated.

I disagree. Only reasonable force should be used by police with prisoners in custody. The police are not tasked with dispensing with punishment, the courts are.

393 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:13:03pm

re: #389 Dark_Falcon

These two should be beaten within an inch of their lives, and then sent to prison for life. Anti-police attacks cannot be tolerated.

I’m so glad they are caught (2 more still @ large) but no, of course retaliation is not what the cops should or will do.

394 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:13:22pm

re: #383 Dark_Falcon

Which reminds me, we should all bring the cats and dogs inside. Tonight and tomrrow night. The loud bangs can make them bolt in to serious trouble.

395 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:13:41pm

Killgore, you still here?

I watched part of that movie, Rabbit-Proof fence, last night.
I’ve seen that movie before, on one of the movie channels.
Great movie!

I still have it bookmarked and will finish it this weekend.

396 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:15:32pm

re: #394 Rightwingconspirator

Which reminds me, we should all bring the cats and dogs inside. Tonight and tomrrow night. The loud bangs can make them bolt in to serious trouble.

Winston is going nuts..Indiana is all out blowing shit up..You got to love it..
Crack..Crack crack boom! repeat

397 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:17:09pm

re: #391 JasonA

We don’t do that to people, DF.

Actually, we do in fact do that at times. But if it hasn’t been done already, its too late to do it now. I don’t mind if the cops smack some scumbag who’s been trying to kill them around, but it is illegal for a good reason. But that’s just my opinion. I do stand by my assertion that the scumbags should be sent to Pelican Bay’s Secure Housing Unit for life.

398 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:17:46pm

re: #380 JasonA

Heh. Maybe they didn’t want to risk the humiliation of having the other athletes humiliated by him.

It’s no humiliation to be beaten in a contest on unequal terms. A man with no legs but instead stumps strapped to a bicycle would also go fast in a race.

Specially shaped and tuned spring steel is just a better leg, for purposes of running on a track, than the regular human leg. A different prosthesis would be better for swimming, and so forth. Our own legs are a very good compromise, suited to the “pentathlon” called “life”.

We have all kinds of athletic events right now in which humans aided by machines compete. There’s the javelin throw, and then there’s archery. And then there’s riflery, bicycle racing, skiing, and yachting.

Even the simpler artificial limbs from earlier days conferred superiority in some realms. Imagine punting with a lead knout loaded artificial leg. You could hammer that football downrange!

399 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:17:49pm

re: #395 reine.de.tout

I watched part of that movie, Rabbit-Proof fence, last night.

Keep us constantly informed as you slog through the movie.

400 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:18:06pm

re: #396 HoosierHoops

Winston is going nuts..Indiana is all out blowing shit up..You got to love it..
Crack..Crack crack boom! repeat

I’m in the boonies. All we hear is the usual gunshots in the distance.

401 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:18:48pm

During my Pilates classt this morning, I dropped a heavy piece of equipment on top of my foot - and now it hurts all the way up to my ankle, and all the way through my foot, to the sole of my foot. I can hardly walk. Elevated it for awhile, iced it, gonna do it again in a bit. I cannot believe how much this thing hurts.

Now good news - my old cat (she’s about 17-18 years old) quit eating a couple of weeks ago, I was so worried about her. She seemed to feel fine, she was drinking water, she would sit with us and purrrrrr - she just wasn’t eating, and had lost about a pound. When you only weight 7 pounds to begin with, a one pound loss is a big deal.

She started eating again a day or two ago, and is really digging into the food. I believe she’s gained back a couple of ounces of weight. So, looks like we’ll have her around for some time, yet! She’s a good cat, has been an excellent pet, and has given us a lot of joy. So, I’m really pleased she started eating again.

402 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:19:43pm

re: #399 Bagua

Keep us constantly informed as you slog through the movie.

LOL.
Yessir.
I can tell you are riveted by this.

403 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:20:24pm

re: #401 reine.de.tout

During my Pilates classt this morning, I dropped a heavy piece of equipment on top of my foot - and now it hurts all the way up to my ankle, and all the way through my foot, to the sole of my foot. I can hardly walk. Elevated it for awhile, iced it, gonna do it again in a bit. I cannot believe how much this thing hurts.

Now good news - my old cat (she’s about 17-18 years old) quit eating a couple of weeks ago, I was so worried about her. She seemed to feel fine, she was drinking water, she would sit with us and purrr - she just wasn’t eating, and had lost about a pound. When you only weight 7 pounds to begin with, a one pound loss is a big deal.

She started eating again a day or two ago, and is really digging into the food. I believe she’s gained back a couple of ounces of weight. So, looks like we’ll have her around for some time, yet! She’s a good cat, has been an excellent pet, and has given us a lot of joy. So, I’m really pleased she started eating again.

You may have broken a bone in there. Be nice to the foot and see the doctor on the 6th.

404 Four More Tears  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:20:42pm

re: #398 lostlakehiker

It’s all about images and egos, my man.

405 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:21:11pm

re: #403 lostlakehiker

You may have broken a bone in there. Be nice to the foot and see the doctor on the 6th.

Heck if it gets much worse I’m going to the ER tomorrow. It hurts.

406 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:21:45pm

re: #393 Stanley Sea

I’m so glad they are caught (2 more still @ large) but no, of course retaliation is not what the cops should or will do.

Here in Chicagoland, retaliation can and does happen. Two years ago, a drunk assaulted a female convention work at the ACEN anime convention in Rosemont. The guy was quickly tackled by security but he’d already beaten the lady up. As it had happened on an upper floor, the Rosemont police took him to a stairwell to walk him down to the ground floor. He emerged from the stairwell stumbling and sporting some fresh bruises. It’s was clear to those who saw (I got this story second hand) that the cops had thrown him around to teach him not to attack women again.

407 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:23:38pm

re: #405 reine.de.tout

Heck if it gets much worse I’m going to the ER tomorrow. It hurts.

I say go to the ER tonight. Get a quick x-ray and see if you broke anything.

408 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:24:21pm

re: #395 reine.de.tout

Killgore, you still here?

I watched part of that movie, Rabbit-Proof fence, last night.
I’ve seen that movie before, on one of the movie channels.
Great movie!

I still have it bookmarked and will finish it this weekend.

I finished watching this afternoon. Great flick!

409 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:25:04pm

re: #401 reine.de.tout

During my Pilates classt this morning, I dropped a heavy piece of equipment on top of my foot - and now it hurts all the way up to my ankle, and all the way through my foot, to the sole of my foot. I can hardly walk. Elevated it for awhile, iced it, gonna do it again in a bit. I cannot believe how much this thing hurts.

Now good news - my old cat (she’s about 17-18 years old) quit eating a couple of weeks ago, I was so worried about her. She seemed to feel fine, she was drinking water, she would sit with us and purrr - she just wasn’t eating, and had lost about a pound. When you only weight 7 pounds to begin with, a one pound loss is a big deal.

She started eating again a day or two ago, and is really digging into the food. I believe she’s gained back a couple of ounces of weight. So, looks like we’ll have her around for some time, yet! She’s a good cat, has been an excellent pet, and has given us a lot of joy. So, I’m really pleased she started eating again.

Hooray!

410 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:25:20pm

re: #401 reine.de.tout

During my Pilates classt this morning, I dropped a heavy piece of equipment on top of my foot - and now it hurts all the way up to my ankle, and all the way through my foot, to the sole of my foot. I can hardly walk. Elevated it for awhile, iced it, gonna do it again in a bit. I cannot believe how much this thing hurts.

How is the swelling? That will reveal your injury..Trust me..I know foot injuries.
How is the swelling right now?

411 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:31:32pm

re: #407 Bagua

I say go to the ER tonight. Get a quick x-ray and see if you broke anything.

re: #410 HoosierHoops

During my Pilates classt this morning, I dropped a heavy piece of equipment on top of my foot - and now it hurts all the way up to my ankle, and all the way through my foot, to the sole of my foot. I can hardly walk. Elevated it for awhile, iced it, gonna do it again in a bit. I cannot believe how much this thing hurts.

How is the swelling? That will reveal your injury..Trust me..I know foot injuries.
How is the swelling right now?

The swelling is local to where I hit my foot; it’s not the entire foot. It also got worse as the day went on, I could walk on it for awhile. So I think it’s just a really bad bruise. If it looks worse/feels worse tomorrow, I’ll go in. Promise.

412 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:35:43pm

re: #401 reine.de.tout

During my Pilates classt this morning, I dropped a heavy piece of equipment on top of my foot - and now it hurts all the way up to my ankle, and all the way through my foot, to the sole of my foot. I can hardly walk. Elevated it for awhile, iced it, gonna do it again in a bit. I cannot believe how much this thing hurts.

Now good news - my old cat (she’s about 17-18 years old) quit eating a couple of weeks ago, I was so worried about her. She seemed to feel fine, she was drinking water, she would sit with us and purrr - she just wasn’t eating, and had lost about a pound. When you only weight 7 pounds to begin with, a one pound loss is a big deal.

She started eating again a day or two ago, and is really digging into the food. I believe she’s gained back a couple of ounces of weight. So, looks like we’ll have her around for some time, yet! She’s a good cat, has been an excellent pet, and has given us a lot of joy. So, I’m really pleased she started eating again.

My kitty slowed down eating. He went from about 18 lbs to 5 lbs within about 6-8 months. But then he plateaued there for a year or more before he passed. We had him 16 yrs but he was full grown when I found him. So your kitty may be around awhile yet.

I found out later his teeth were very bad and that could have contributed to his not eating. His breath was particularly stinky. I should have known.

Does your foot hurt when you just touch it?

413 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:36:58pm

The Huffington Post is a lot like many of my friends: pretty cool, but occasionally some wacko quackery assertion comes out of left field when we’re having a drunken bar conversation and I have to steer around it

414 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:37:27pm

re: #412 marjoriemoon

My kitty slowed down eating. He went from about 18 lbs to 5 lbs within about 6-8 months. But then he plateaued there for a year or more before he passed. We had him 16 yrs but he was full grown when I found him. So your kitty may be around awhile yet.

I found out later his teeth were very bad and that could have contributed to his not eating. His breath was particularly stinky. I should have known.

Does your foot hurt when you just touch it?

I thought about the dental thing, but I just had this cat’s teeth cleaned, and she got a good grade on the state of her teeth. All she needed was a cleaning.

eh - not so much pain when i touch the foot, I have to press on it to feel it. I really think it’s deeply and badly bruised.

415 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:38:05pm

re: #413 WindUpBird

The Huffington Post is a lot like many of my friends: pretty cool, but occasionally some wacko quackery assertion comes out of left field when we’re having a drunken bar conversation and I have to steer around it

Sounds like a description of you.

416 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:39:37pm

re: #411 reine.de.tout

The swelling is local to where I hit my foot; it’s not the entire foot. It also got worse as the day went on, I could walk on it for awhile. So I think it’s just a really bad bruise. If it looks worse/feels worse tomorrow, I’ll go in. Promise.

You got lucky..I promise you this..When you break a bone there isn’t anything play school.. You broke a bone and everybody knows it..If just the 4 letter swear words.. You damn well know when you break a bone…Everybody knows it..The pain is incredible…Count your lucky Stars Reine!
*wink*

417 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:41:27pm

re: #415 reine.de.tout

Sounds like a description of you.

I’m not into quackery! I worked in health care! The real thing, not the crystal power/homeopathy/focus your third eye nonsense :D

418 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:43:09pm

re: #389 Dark_Falcon

These two should be beaten within an inch of their lives, and then sent to prison for life. Anti-police attacks cannot be tolerated.

The problem with that is the deterioration of discipline, just like the military. if you allow professional officers to enact vengeance on people outside the law, then that becomes the institutional culture of that police department, and then they start doing it to people who aren’t cop-killers, and so on.

419 wee fury  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:43:43pm

Watermelon stain removal from a white carpet.
Tried cold water. no.
Tried cold water and dishwasher detergent. no.
I will probably need to invest in an area rug to cover the spot.
:-(

420 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:44:18pm
421 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:44:37pm

re: #419 wee fury

Watermelon stain removal from a white carpet.
Tried cold water. no.
Tried cold water and dishwasher detergent. no.
I will probably need to invest in an area rug to cover the spot.
:-(

Try red dye.

422 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:45:43pm

re: #419 wee fury

Watermelon stain removal from a white carpet.
Tried cold water. no.
Tried cold water and dishwasher detergent. no.
I will probably need to invest in an area rug to cover the spot.
:-(

Get a good carpet installer to do a patch. Find a good guy, it can be done.

423 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:46:50pm

re: #419 wee fury

Watermelon stain removal from a white carpet.
Tried cold water. no.
Tried cold water and dishwasher detergent. no.
I will probably need to invest in an area rug to cover the spot.
:-(

Channeling Billy Mays:

Try Oxi-Clean, the stuff (sometimes) works. Or test a tiny spot with hydrogen peroxide.

424 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:47:28pm

re: #160 Naso Tang

What we want is old jobs, creating new wealth. The kind of thing they do better everywhere else.

I don’t buy that they always do it cheaper. They are just better capitalists, with slightly longer horizons. Any fool can be cheaper when they eliminate the competition. Cheaper than who?

Ever bought a TV made in the USA? Ever bought a coffee cup not made in Chine (and shipped a gazillion miles to get to Wallmart to be sold for $0.50)? Ever bought a wind turbine not made in little old Denmark?

We will always need roads, and we will need to maintain them forever.

A bunch of my coffee cups were made by a guy who spun pottery at a video arcade I visited regularly in the 90’s. :D

425 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:48:35pm

re: #417 WindUpBird

I’m not into quackery! I worked in health care! The real thing, not the crystal power/homeopathy/focus your third eye nonsense :D

Oh … I meant the other parts, of course.

426 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:48:38pm

re: #419 wee fury

Watermelon stain removal from a white carpet.
Tried cold water. no.
Tried cold water and dishwasher detergent. no.
I will probably need to invest in an area rug to cover the spot.
:-(

Bleach? or a mixture of bleach and water sprayed on?

427 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:50:24pm

re: #419 wee fury

Watermelon stain removal from a white carpet.
Tried cold water. no.
Tried cold water and dishwasher detergent. no.
I will probably need to invest in an area rug to cover the spot.
:-(

If nothing else suggested works, try:

Spray ‘n Wash stain remover. Spray it, let it sit a bit, scrub with a toothbrush, and then wash it up with a wet cloth.

OR, pull up your carpet and replace with wood or laminate floors.
It’s what I finally did.

428 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:50:38pm

re: #425 reine.de.tout

Oh … I meant the other parts, of course.

I do make bizarre assertions that Electric Wizard is awesome, it is true :D

429 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:50:38pm

Helpful Hints from Heloise Lizards.

430 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:52:06pm

re: #427 reine.de.tout

My solution to weird stains is my parents’, rent a carpet shampooer with about 30 horsepower and just grind the stain away with chemical brute force

(then again, we had dark carpet when I was growing up)

431 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:53:05pm

re: #418 WindUpBird

The problem with that is the deterioration of discipline, just like the military. if you allow professional officers to enact vengeance on people outside the law, then that becomes the institutional culture of that police department, and then they start doing it to people who aren’t cop-killers, and so on.

That can happen, its true.

432 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:53:10pm

re: #419 wee fury

Watermelon stain removal from a white carpet.
Tried cold water. no.
Tried cold water and dishwasher detergent. no.
I will probably need to invest in an area rug to cover the spot.
:-(

Try a pair of scissors.

433 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:54:40pm

re: #307 Gus 802

CNN Worlds Largest oil Skimmer, “A Whale”


[Video]

Great video, thanks. What a vessel.

434 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:56:13pm

re: #433 Bagua

Great video, thanks. What a vessel.

I think there’s two more that are being retrofitted and one that’s currently under construction.

435 sagehen  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:56:19pm

re: #287 lostlakehiker

Not much to quote here, but the effect of tax cuts depends on what kind of tax cut we’re talking about. People are remarkably rational with money, even if we’re not perfect at it. A windfall is not the occasion for a higher permanent level of spending. It’s a windfall. You use it to pay down debt, maybe treat yourself a little, and you sock some of it away.

A raise is different. With a raise, you can think in terms of a bigger house, better colleges for the kids, more kids? You can move to a higher permanent level of spending. You’ll still probably sock a fraction of it away. If incomes can go up, they can go down, right?

A tax ‘rebate’ check is a windfall. A tax cut that is driven by relatively permanent political forces, forces sufficient to keep it in force for a decade or two, is another matter. Long term tax cuts paid off big time, both Kennedy’s and Reagan’s.

Turn it around. Permanent confiscatory levels of taxation drag an economy down. Witness the demise of the simple peasant oxcart in Turkey after the Muslim conquest. There was no longer any point in attempting to own this highly portable, very expensive, very useful “means of production”. It would not be yours for long after you bought it, and the things were like modern autos, beyond the skill of the normal household to make for home use.

Entrepreneurial spirits can only exist when the taxation climate leaves the better part of the earnings in possession of those who earn it. Cutting taxes from 70% to 50% to 30% will probably result, over the long term, in a stronger economy and more revenues for the government. Cutting them from there to 20% or 10% might perhaps build the economy a bit more, but the government’s revenue would be reduced. At some point, the govt becomes too weak to perform its core missions and then the essential prerequisite for any type of commerce, a government that enforces contracts and overawes highwaymen and brigands, fails.


I see this fallacy all over the place. Even Laffer admits the Laffer curve doesn’t usually work that way.

The only time ever in American history that reducing tax rates increased revenue was once — in the Kennedy administration when the highest marginal rate was reduced from 90% to 70%. People who make big money for sporadic projects (prizefighters, movie stars) worked more, and people who make big money year round (the Fords, the Rockefellers, etc) stopped shuffling the bulk of their earnings into tax-exempt foundations.

There was economic growth after the Reagan cuts (from 70 to 50, then a little lower still) — but gov’t tax revenue did *not* increase. There just wasn’t enough growth for that. Even with budget cuts, he still exploded the deficit. The economic things he did that were really helpful was about getting inflation/interest rates under control through monetary policy, and adjusting social security. But again, deficits and nat’l debt both still went way up.

When Bush the Elder tried to solve the deficit/debt problem with tax increases, it cost him his party’s support. Clearly it was a good idea — when Clinton raised taxes, we got the biggest peacetime economic expansion ever, and he balanced the budget. 22 million new jobs in eight years, and the stock market doubled.

436 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:56:45pm

re: #432 b_sharp

Try a pair of scissors.

White spray paint.

//

437 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:57:08pm

re: #431 Dark_Falcon

That can happen, its true.

I figure anyone who’s tasked with carrying a gun and fighting crime should be as disciplined and by the book as possible. And I think cops should be paid more, and be required to have at least four years of college education, subsidized if necessary. I also want a pony :D

438 Fozzie Bear  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 6:58:07pm

Random movie recommendation:

“The World’s Fastest Indian”, with Anthony Hopkins. Great flick.

439 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:00:07pm

Well I just took the daughter and the grandson home after consoling them for most of the afternoon. She had a cat that was her constant companion for over 20 years. Today she had to make the decision to have her put down. Poor kid. My grandson had just about as hard a time.

On Monday I have to have my 16 year old cat put down. She’s had a tumour for the last 3 years but until recently it was dormant and caused her little problem. About a week or so ago, it started growing again and now it is pressing on most of her organs. It looks to me like her kidneys have shut down.

Its going to be a sad week.

440 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:00:14pm

re: #438 Fozzie Bear

Random movie recommendation:

“The World’s Fastest Indian”, with Anthony Hopkins. Great flick.

“Sacrifices to the Gods of Speed”

441 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:00:14pm

Winston is going nuts..There is non stop fireworks going off in Indiana..It’s all legal..Saturday night and we are doing shock and awe in Indiana…

442 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:02:50pm

re: #350 b_sharp

Aren’t you glad they read your mind and didn’t attack?

You know, I think LGF needs a place to share photos.

Pages

443 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:03:11pm

re: #386 Stanley Sea

Good news. Seven attacks. Seven.

Well looky here. Now what does this look like?

Image: Police_Booby_Traps.20100703191152.jpg

Looks like a white supremacist to me.

444 avanti  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:08:09pm

re: #438 Fozzie Bear

Random movie recommendation:

“The World’s Fastest Indian”, with Anthony Hopkins. Great flick.

Better movie, because it’s a true story.

445 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:08:13pm

re: #443 Gus 802

Well looky here. Now what does this look like?

Image: Police_Booby_Traps.20100703191152.jpg

Looks like a white supremacist to me.

Looks like a convict to me. This sounds like someone who’s already been through the penal system before.

446 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:09:41pm

Trouble You A Trouble Me


- Ini Kamoze


Yes, the 12” version.

447 Gus  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:10:56pm

re: #445 Dark_Falcon

Looks like a convict to me. This sounds like someone who’s already been through the penal system before.

If not a direct gang member now possibly a former gang member with known association. The police say he is not associated with a gang. However, they have conducted raids on white supremacists gangs:

Police were first targeted Dec. 31 when a natural gas line was rerouted to fill the office of the Hemet-San Jacinto Valley Gang Task Force. Since then guns have been rigged to fire at officers, arson fires have targeted code enforcement vehicles, the Hemet police shooting range and evidence room, and a World War II training bazooka rocket was aimed to fire at the Hemet Police Station.

No one was injured in any of the attacks.

Police conducted a series of raids in March and April arresting dozens of people connected with the Vagos Motorcycle Club and the COORS Skins white supremacist gang.

No one arrested in the raids was charged in the attacks, but some men still remain jailed on parole violations and drug and weapons charges. Police said neither man arrested Friday was connected to either group.

There was no answer at Smit’s home off Yale Street Saturday afternoon. Hansen’s home sits behind a chain link fence off Highway 74, with “No Trespassing” signs. A black and tan dog wandered in the yard, filled with scrap metal garbage and abandoned cars, next to a tire shop.

Smit pleaded guilty last month to five felonies of cultivating marijuana after being arrested by Hemet police in July 2009, according to court records. He was scheduled to be sentenced to three years in prison July 16.

Hansen had prior convictions of arson, criminal threats and assault, resulting in prison sentences.

Police had no recent contact with either man or received threats leading up to or during the attacks.

More here.

448 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:15:22pm

G’night

449 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:19:14pm

Wow, I thought I had a very open and non-prejudicial mindset towards peoples sexual orientation and preferences…

Until I spent several hours over the last few days chatting with;

1: A very young man (17-18?) who wants to be a woman and dresses as one. (who is trying to get sexual re-assignment surgery and meanwhile freely sends out risque photos of “herself” and wants to know what you think.)

2: A 35ish woman who wants to be a man. (Who is doesn’t want the surgery but just wants to dress and be treated as a man. Who also by the way is actually gorgeous, curvaceous, and very sexily photogenic.)

3: A 21 year old male mechanical engineering student who is the “boyfriend” of both. (all three live together communally, don’t ask me how that works or who beds down with whom or when, I was kinda scared to ask.)

My mind is sorta blown now…I have no idea what to think about most of that, I just know that I can’t quite manage to wrap my mind around it. I guess I’m just not young or openminded enough to understand.

450 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:20:54pm

re: #435 sagehen
Clearly it was a good idea — when Clinton raised taxes, we got the biggest peacetime economic expansion ever, and he balanced the budget. 22 million new jobs in eight years, and the stock market doubled.

But but but but but the narrative! :D

451 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:22:47pm

re: #449 ausador

Wow, I thought I had a very open and non-prejudicial mindset towards peoples sexual orientation and preferences…

Until I spent several hours over the last few days chatting with;

1: A very young man (17-18?) who wants to be a woman and dresses as one. (who is trying to get sexual re-assignment surgery and meanwhile freely sends out risque photos of “herself” and wants to know what you think.)

2: A 35ish woman who wants to be a man. (Who is doesn’t want the surgery but just wants to dress and be treated as a man. Who also by the way is actually gorgeous, curvaceous, and very sexily photogenic.)

3: A 21 year old male mechanical engineering student who is the “boyfriend” of both. (all three live together communally, don’t ask me how that works or who beds down with whom or when, I was kinda scared to ask.)

My mind is sorta blown now…I have no idea what to think about most of that, I just know that I can’t quite manage to wrap my mind around it. I guess I’m just not young or openminded enough to understand.

I know people like all three, I know a lot of poly and TG folks.

But then again, I can’t wrap my mind around why anyone would want to have seven kids, so to each their own :D

452 sagehen  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:22:48pm

re: #449 ausador

Being open-minded doesn’t require that you understand — only that you figure they’re entitled to live their lives as they see fit (even if you think they’re a bit odd).

453 wee fury  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:23:03pm

All, thank you for your advice, it is appreciated.

454 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:26:52pm

re: #449 ausador

Wow, I thought I had a very open and non-prejudicial mindset towards peoples sexual orientation and preferences…

Until I spent several hours over the last few days chatting with;

1: A very young man (17-18?) who wants to be a woman and dresses as one. (who is trying to get sexual re-assignment surgery and meanwhile freely sends out risque photos of “herself” and wants to know what you think.)

2: A 35ish woman who wants to be a man. (Who is doesn’t want the surgery but just wants to dress and be treated as a man. Who also by the way is actually gorgeous, curvaceous, and very sexily photogenic.)

3: A 21 year old male mechanical engineering student who is the “boyfriend” of both. (all three live together communally, don’t ask me how that works or who beds down with whom or when, I was kinda scared to ask.)

My mind is sorta blown now…I have no idea what to think about most of that, I just know that I can’t quite manage to wrap my mind around it. I guess I’m just not young or openminded enough to understand.

You know what? It’s not a requirement that you wrap your mind around it. All I know is that the exposure allows you to be more open minded. Next time someone denigrates the gays or transsexuals, you’ll remember the conversation. My opinion of course.

455 Bagua  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:27:04pm

re: #453 wee fury

All, thank you for your advice, it is appreciated.

Don’t do anything crazy. Just call and let the experts take care of it.

456 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:33:28pm

re: #435 sagehen

I see this fallacy all over the place. Even Laffer admits the Laffer curve doesn’t usually work that way.

[snip]

There was economic growth after the Reagan cuts (from 70 to 50, then a little lower still) — but gov’t tax revenue did *not* increase. There just wasn’t enough growth for that. Even with budget cuts, he still exploded the deficit. The economic things he did that were really helpful was about getting inflation/interest rates under control through monetary policy, and adjusting social security. But again, deficits and nat’l debt both still went way up.

When Bush the Elder tried to solve the deficit/debt problem with tax increases, it cost him his party’s support. Clearly it was a good idea — when Clinton raised taxes, we got the biggest peacetime economic expansion ever, and he balanced the budget. 22 million new jobs in eight years, and the stock market doubled.

We had a peace dividend, and military spending dropped. Overall spending as a percent of GDP dropped as well. In the final analysis, all government spending is taxes. If the government runs a deficit, then some of the tax is collected indirectly, by way of inflation. But it’s still collected, because in the physical economy, the government laid hands on thus and so amounts of real goods and services.

This table, available through Volokh’s pages, (Historical Tables, Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2009) gives on page 26 a list by year of receipts and outlays as percentage of GDP, year by year.

Receipts went up during the Clinton years, but the main thing is that outlays dropped as a share of GDP. So from the perspective I explained above, taxation dropped.

Rational people take into account the inflation tax, along with any other taxes. They take into account the prospect of future tax increases that will be made necessary because of current deficits, or, if there is a balanced budget, they take into account the reasonable hope that taxes may not, after all, be raised any time soon.

Date…………………………tax receipts as % gdp, expenditures as % gdp.

Keep in mind that this is federal intake and outlay, and states and municipalities also collect taxes.

I guess I should have given this history as my third example. Clinton cut “taxes” (to be precise, he cut spending because even though he increased spending on almost everything, he cut military spending and that more than made up for the rest) and the economy improved. Note that govt intake increased from 17.5 percent of GDP in 1983 to 18.2 percent in 1988, while Reagan was president, notwithstanding your claim that it dropped. It then did drop, during the Bush I recession.

The stock market doubled, if you count the dotcom bubble as real. But seriously, it would have popped even if Gore had won in 2000.

1983 ………………………………17.5 23.5
1984 ……………………………… 17.4 22.2
1985 ……………………………… 17.7 22.9
1986 ……………………………… 17.4 22.4
1987 ……………………………… 18.4 21.6
1988 ……………………………… 18.2 21.3
1989 ……………………………… 18.4 21.2
1990 ……………………………… 18.0 21.8
1991 ……………………………… 17.8 22.3
1992 ……………………………… 17.5 22.1
1993 ……………………………… 17.6 21.4
1994 ……………………………… 18.1 21.0

1995 ……………………………… 18.5 20.7
1996 ……………………………… 18.9 20.3
1997 ……………………………… 19.3 19.6
1998 ……………………………… 20.0 19.2
1999 ……………………………… 20.0 18.7
2000 ……………………………… 20.9 18.4

457 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:34:37pm

re: #449 ausador

I’ve known folks in 3 way relationships, not quite as messy as all that, but it never turns out well.

Three friends generally don’t work well together. Not a hard and fast rule, of course, but usually two of the three will bond and leave the third out, even if it isn’t sexual. Or one will get jealous of the other two. You see it with kids a lot.

458 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:37:44pm

re: #457 marjoriemoon

I’ve known folks in 3 way relationships, not quite as messy as all that, but it never turns out well.

Three friends generally don’t work well together. Not a hard and fast rule, of course, but usually two of the three will bond and leave the third out, even if it isn’t sexual. Or one will get jealous of the other two. You see it with kids a lot.

I know folks in poly relationships that have worked, but it is a harder thing to pull off, it is more complicated, more pitfalls. It also works better for people who aren’t necessarily looking for someone to spend the rest of their lives with. “Friends with benefits” being a colloquial term and all that

459 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:46:09pm

re: #458 WindUpBird

I know folks in poly relationships that have worked, but it is a harder thing to pull off, it is more complicated, more pitfalls. It also works better for people who aren’t necessarily looking for someone to spend the rest of their lives with. “Friends with benefits” being a colloquial term and all that

Well, Friends with Benefits (we used another term) you don’t really care cuz it’s mostly about the benefits. That goes by the wayside, too. I’m talking committed relationships. I mean it’s hard enough getting along with one person let alone two, and sharing a man? Oh there’s a bright idea.

460 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:52:04pm

re: #459 marjoriemoon

Well, Friends with Benefits (we used another term) you don’t really care cuz it’s mostly about the benefits. That goes by the wayside, too. I’m talking committed relationships. I mean it’s hard enough getting along with one person let alone two, and sharing a man? Oh there’s a bright idea.

What do we call it again? I forgot. :(

461 ryannon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 7:54:39pm

re: #377 lostlakehiker

Speaking of parrots, there’s a story there about deep Platonic attachments across species. It can go both ways. Alex and Me, by Irene Pfefferberg, recounts the story of a scientist and her primary research subject, an African Grey’s parrot [Alex] who learned a lot of more-than-tricks.

Sample: How many green squares, Alex? (Shown a tray with 3 green circles, 4 red triangles, two green triangles, 2 green squares, 1 red square, 2 blue stars, a blue square, etc.)

Answer. 4

No, Alex.

Answer: 5.

No, Alex. You’ll just have to go in your cage. [“Time Out” ensues]

From within the cage: “I’m sorry. Two.”

Absolute tear-jerker of an ending.

Taking a parrot as a pet is a real responsibility. As much so as with a dog. You have a social animal with a rudimentary knowledge of right and wrong, a capacity for loyalty and attachment, and an astonishing ability to think, considering the tiny brain it has to work with.

Some ‘Alex’ videos from YouTube:

462 CDRealist  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:02:48pm

From the point of view of an unabashed liberal, the Huffington Post’s views on medicine and science make the entire site unreadable. How can you trust the political views of a site that believes in homeopathic medicine?:

463 sagehen  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:04:31pm

re: #458 WindUpBird

I know folks in poly relationships that have worked, but it is a harder thing to pull off, it is more complicated, more pitfalls. It also works better for people who aren’t necessarily looking for someone to spend the rest of their lives with. “Friends with benefits” being a colloquial term and all that

It works better for people who work weird hours or travel a lot, if there’s almost always somebody either away or too tired (and each spends similar amounts of time being the somebody)….

464 boxhead  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:07:34pm

re: #5 Amory Blaine

David Klinghoffer: “Science is hard!!!”

xkcd knows science!

465 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:10:02pm

Hit the road, Jack!!

466 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:13:03pm

oops wrong thread lol

467 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:16:29pm

re: #466 marjoriemoon

oops wrong thread lol

It’s the thought that counts. :)

468 boxhead  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:20:53pm

re: #467 Dark_Falcon

It’s the thought that counts. :)

lol :)

469 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 8:51:10pm

re: #458 WindUpBird

I know folks in poly relationships that have worked, but it is a harder thing to pull off, it is more complicated, more pitfalls. It also works better for people who aren’t necessarily looking for someone to spend the rest of their lives with. “Friends with benefits” being a colloquial term and all that

I have barely managed to educate myself enough so that I can at least believe that maybe I can understand each of the three peoples views. But when you jumble all them together into some form of Polyamorous relationship I just lose all comprehension. I just find myself wanting to advise all of them to get therapy, (even though do I know that it wouldn’t help).

470 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jul 3, 2010 10:42:33pm

re: #382 Stanley Sea

Just added that to my books to get list.

There is a really cool bird sanctuary in Del Mar, CA - Free Flight Birds, where people board their birds and others are there for recovery. You walk through and they will perch on you etc. It’s really excellent.

[Link: www.freeflightbirds.com…]

I’ll bet that isn’t all they’ll do on you.

“Go ahead, everybody else does.”

471 Bagua  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 12:47:14am

re: #461 ryannon

“Unlocking the bird brain.” Wonderful.

472 Jimmah  Sun, Jul 4, 2010 6:24:00am

re: #449 ausador

Wow, I thought I had a very open and non-prejudicial mindset towards peoples sexual orientation and preferences…

Until I spent several hours over the last few days chatting with;

1: A very young man (17-18?) who wants to be a woman and dresses as one. (who is trying to get sexual re-assignment surgery and meanwhile freely sends out risque photos of “herself” and wants to know what you think.)

2: A 35ish woman who wants to be a man. (Who is doesn’t want the surgery but just wants to dress and be treated as a man. Who also by the way is actually gorgeous, curvaceous, and very sexily photogenic.)

3: A 21 year old male mechanical engineering student who is the “boyfriend” of both. (all three live together communally, don’t ask me how that works or who beds down with whom or when, I was kinda scared to ask.)

My mind is sorta blown now…I have no idea what to think about most of that, I just know that I can’t quite manage to wrap my mind around it. I guess I’m just not young or openminded enough to understand.

You haven’t met our cats have you? This is nothing.


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