Jon Stewart: Leader’s Digest
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Some funny riffs from Jon Stewart on several recent Obama-related stories.
470 comments
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:00:13pm |
I loved all the various different riffs he did on the "sig hail" + Hitler mustache...
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webevintage Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:02:16pm |
"Nothing Obama Does Will Ever Make You Fucking Happy'"
this.
(at least people like Ingrham, Malkin, Perino and Hannity.)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:07:36pm |
"Punditry is easy."
Nailed it Jon.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:08:46pm |
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ShaunP Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:14:15pm |
I just don't understand why Obama didn't go see the boyscouts. I mean, who wouldn't want the president to address the future leaders of America? Well, except maybe all of those people that screamed bloody murder when he addressed the children of America last year...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:14:26pm |
I loved Jon's "is he the only person working at the White House?" riff.
Last week the woman there as a prop for the Unemployment Benefits Extension talk was obviously not "vetted".
He's got to feel like he is surrounded by imbeciles.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:16:06pm |
re: #5 ShaunP
I just don't understand why Obama didn't go see the boyscouts. I mean, who wouldn't want the president to address the future leaders of America? Well, except maybe all of those people that screamed bloody murder when he addressed the children of America last year...
OH LORD. I recall that event.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:17:30pm |
re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist
The Left's memory is going to be good on this Presidency as well.
This shit is never going to stop.
Is rooting for a black hole to swallow up the world wrong?
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b_sharp Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:19:25pm |
re: #9 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The Left's memory is going to be good on this Presidency as well.
This shit is never going to stop.
Is rooting for a black hole to swallow up the world wrong?
I'd worry about the slobber when it gets spit back out. Just eww.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:20:11pm |
re: #9 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The Left's memory is going to be good on this Presidency as well.
This shit is never going to stop.
Is rooting for a black hole to swallow up the world wrong?
Well, mostly I recall that event because we argued about it here until everyone was sweaty and bloody and gasping like gladiators on the ninth round...and over at my teacher's chat website, no one cared very much about it, or was planning to do anything with it.
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tnguitarist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:20:54pm |
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tnguitarist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:21:12pm |
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:22:42pm |
re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist
OH LORD. I recall that event.
the BS gig is once every four yeasr..this year is the 199th anniversary and BO is honorary president...it was a small thing he could have done
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:22:54pm |
re: #11 b_sharp
I'd worry about the slobber when it gets spit back out. Just eww.
My great aunt used to have a dog, a Springer spaniel/hound mix, who liked to play 'fetch' with lemons off the tree in the back yard. The problem was that a lemon that has been 'fetched' by a dog is absolutely gross and covered with dog slobber. It was something of a trial for all of us. We switched to new lemons frequently, but the dog wasn't happy unless you took the old one from her.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:23:18pm |
re: #15 tnguitarist
Just thought it was funny that they took Obama off the ad (from Stewart's story), and put on Andy.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:23:18pm |
re: #16 albusteve
the BS gig is once every four yeasr..this year is the 199th anniversary and BO is honorary president...it was a small thing he could have done
100th anniversary
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:23:42pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:24:10pm |
re: #16 albusteve
the BS gig is once every four yeasr..this year is the 199th anniversary and BO is honorary president...it was a small thing he could have done
1. I agree, I actually would have liked to see him do this gig, and it seems to me he could have done The View another time.
2. However, given that the loudest critics of this are also the same people who freaked when he addressed the nation's schoolchildren, it seems fair to say they wouldn't be happy no matter what.
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:24:48pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:25:27pm |
re: #22 brookly red
the only thing worse is not to...
My mom has a friend who often says that the only thing worse than having a job is not having a job...
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wrenchwench Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:26:46pm |
re: #23 SanFranciscoZionist
My mom has a friend who often says that the only thing worse than having a job is not having a job...
My saying is close: The only thing worse than having a job is looking for a job.
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tnguitarist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:27:11pm |
re: #22 brookly red
the only thing worse is not to...
Whenever my FIL has a birthday and someone says "you're getting old!", he says "it beats the alternative".
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:27:26pm |
re: #23 SanFranciscoZionist
My mom has a friend who often says that the only thing worse than having a job is not having a job...
well being & unemployed sure sucks, but then again dead men can't work.
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:28:14pm |
re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist
1. I agree, I actually would have liked to see him do this gig, and it seems to me he could have done The View another time.
2. However, given that the loudest critics of this are also the same people who freaked when he addressed the nation's schoolchildren, it seems fair to say they wouldn't be happy no matter what.
Oh brother I forgot about that. When Obama made the nationwide address "to America's schoolchildren." I never seen such madness.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:28:38pm |
re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist
1. I agree, I actually would have liked to see him do this gig, and it seems to me he could have done The View another time.
2. However, given that the loudest critics of this are also the same people who freaked when he addressed the nation's schoolchildren, it seems fair to say they wouldn't be happy no matter what.
I don't care about the hypotheticals...what people might have thought
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:29:37pm |
re: #24 wrenchwench
My saying is close: The only thing worse than having a job is looking for a job.
oooh eternity on the job search... I gotta remember that one if I get the tormenting souls gig.
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:30:41pm |
re: #28 albusteve
I don't care about the hypotheticals...what people might have thought
Really? So you're saying all of those Fox News viewers would have been cheering that President Obama had spoken to the Boy Scouts.
I must say. That would have been a first.
These are known unknowns at this point.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:30:49pm |
re: #29 brookly red
oooh eternity on the job search... I gotta remember that one if I get the tormenting souls gig.
when you are as old as me, you can just stop working...I have
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:30:53pm |
re: #27 Gus 802
Oh brother I forgot about that. When Obama made the nationwide address "to America's schoolchildren." I never seen such madness.
/well I have to admit I was wrong about that one... he didn't address them as little comrades after all.
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:31:41pm |
re: #33 brookly red
/well I have to admit I was wrong about that one... he didn't address them as little comrades after all.
Yep. I'm still waiting for that Civilian Army!!11ty they were talking about.
/
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:32:06pm |
re: #31 Gus 802
Really? So you're saying all of those Fox News viewers would have been cheering that President Obama had spoken to the Boy Scouts.
I must say. That would have been a first.
These are known unknowns at this point.
it's about the Boy Scouts, not Fox or his critics...you have lost focus just like BO has...always excuses about image
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:32:26pm |
re: #30 albusteve
BO is on permanent campaign mode
So are his opponents, so it makes for an interesting news cycle.
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McSpiff Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:32:27pm |
re: #30 albusteve
BO is on permanent campaign mode
I think you're right. If he's so worried about his critics that he skips the BS Jamboree, that says something. Now if he's skipping it because he doesn't like the BS, well that's more understandable I guess. Either way, I think he should be there.
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:32:34pm |
re: #35 albusteve
it's about the Boy Scouts, not Fox or his critics...you have lost focus just like BO has...always excuses about image
I read the official statement from Boy Scouts of America. They're fine with it.
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:32:48pm |
re: #34 Gus 802
Yep. I'm still waiting for that Civilian Army!!11ty they were talking about.
/
well it was his idea...
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:33:12pm |
re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist
So are his opponents, so it makes for an interesting news cycle.
makes for a fucked up govt
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:33:46pm |
Multi-culti song for the day, courtesy of Theodore Bikel, five of whose songs I just sent to Ludwig in honor of his new nephew.
This one has two verses in Yiddish and one in some Polish-Russian dialect that I haven't quite mastered yet.
Vi zenen mayne yinge yoren,
vi zenen mayne tzayten?
Ich hob farshpielt mayne yinge yoren,
azoy vi men shpielt in korten.
Un az men tit in korten shpielen,
shpielt men doch in gelt.
Un ich hob farspielt mayne yinge yoren,
un dertsi mayne sheyne velt.
Zapri, hayteh, brati, , koni,
koni voroni!
Do'ho naymo nashi lyati,
lyati molidiy.
[translation]
Where are my youthful years?
Where is my time?
I gambled away my young years,
like one betting on cards.
But one who bets on cards
bets only in cash.
And I've gambled away my young years
and with them, lovely life.
Come, now, brothers, saddle
the horses, the horses swift.
We shall ride after the years,
our young years.
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:34:40pm |
re: #39 brookly red
well it was his idea...
Nope.
FactCheck.org: Is Obama planning a Gestapo-like "civilian national security force"?
Q: Is Obama planning a Gestapo-like "civilian national security force"?
I read a quote from Rep. Paul Broun from Georgia which stated that Obama wants to set up a civilian national security force that was similar to the "Gestapo" or the Nazi Brownshirts.What is the truth behind Obama's statements that he wants to create a "civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded [as the military]"?
A: This false claim is a badly distorted version of Obama's call for doubling the Peace Corps, creating volunteer networks and increasing the size of the Foreign Service.
This question stems from an interview that Republican Rep. Broun of Georgia gave to The Associated Press Nov. 10. The story carried a headline, "Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship." It said that Broun "fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist or fascist dictatorship." And it quoted him this way:
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freetoken Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:35:10pm |
I'm wondering what else the Obamas will do in the next couple of years, that will set off the outrage machine.
We've seen the Christmas ornaments... the schoolchildren's address... the DVDs... and so on.
Now it is daring to appear on a daytime women's talk show.
What's next?
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:35:52pm |
re: #37 McSpiff
I think you're right. If he's so worried about his critics that he skips the BS Jamboree, that says something. Now if he's skipping it because he doesn't like the BS, well that's more understandable I guess. Either way, I think he should be there.
it's not a huge thing and I'm not outraged, but it was a chance of a lifetime for those kids...he's their President of the Boy Scouts...the opportunity is lost forever now, and he could have hitched it up and went down there a few miles
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:36:42pm |
re: #38 Gus 802
I read the official statement from Boy Scouts of America. They're fine with it.
please...don't make me laugh
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:37:07pm |
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Four More Tears Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:37:52pm |
Remember all the heat Reagan took for not attending a Boy Scout Jamboree in his 8 years?
Neither do I...
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:38:15pm |
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:39:12pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:40:34pm |
re: #47 JasonA
Remember all the heat Reagan took for not attending a Boy Scout Jamboree in his 8 years?
Neither do I...
Me neither.
I don't know. I keep hearing 'Can't you criticize Obama without being accused of ODS?" Of course you can. But these outrages keep coming, and they all 'show' something deep and sinister about Obama, and they're garbage. Stuff no one ever thought to criticize a president about in the past.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:41:36pm |
re: #49 Gus 802
Only when I'm reading bullshit.
thanks for that...your slip is showing...
when any criticism of BO is an outrage, you have lost your ability to see anything objectively...deranged
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tnguitarist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:41:53pm |
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:42:38pm |
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Four More Tears Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:43:58pm |
The Boy Scouts of America (BSA), one of the largest private youth organizations in the United States, has policies which prohibit atheists and agnostics from membership in its Scouting program,
Why should I be upset with the President for not attending an event for an organization that discriminates against me?
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:44:18pm |
re: #17 SanFranciscoZionist
My great aunt used to have a dog, a Springer spaniel/hound mix, who liked to play 'fetch' with lemons off the tree in the back yard. The problem was that a lemon that has been 'fetched' by a dog is absolutely gross and covered with dog slobber. It was something of a trial for all of us. We switched to new lemons frequently, but the dog wasn't happy unless you took the old one from her.
Haku never slobbers. He just gives kisses!
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:44:56pm |
re: #52 albusteve
thanks for that...your slip is showing...
when any criticism of BO is an outrage, you have lost your ability to see anything objectively...deranged
Look pal. I only said stay outraged and you're going off all half-cocked telling me that "my slip is showing" and that I'm deranged.
I'm going to hold back on getting out of line with you right now.
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:45:07pm |
re: #6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I loved Jon's "is he the only person working at the White House?" riff.
Last week the woman there as a prop for the Unemployment Benefits Extension talk was obviously not "vetted".
He's got to feel like he is surrounded by imbeciles.
Who surrounded him with those people?
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freetoken Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:45:25pm |
re: #55 albusteve
derange |diˈrānj|
verb [ trans. ] [usu. as adj. ] ( deranged)
cause (someone) to become insane : a deranged man.
• throw (something) into confusion; cause to act irregularly : stress deranges the immune system.
• archaic intrude on; interrupt
Does not apply to Gus.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:46:41pm |
re: #58 Gus 802
Look pal. I only said stay outraged and you're going off all half-cocked telling me that "my slip is showing" and that I'm deranged.
I'm going to hold back on getting out of line with you right now.
if I'm outraged, you're deranged...simple as that
reine it in
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:46:52pm |
re: #60 freetoken
derange |diˈrānj|
Does not apply to Gus.
Thanks Freetoken.
I should know better by now than to engage.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:47:15pm |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:47:16pm |
re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist
Me neither.
I don't know. I keep hearing 'Can't you criticize Obama without being accused of ODS?" Of course you can. But these outrages keep coming, and they all 'show' something deep and sinister about Obama, and they're garbage. Stuff no one ever thought to criticize a president about in the past.
I will point out that I have taken issue with some of the administration's actions and decisions as re: the oil spill (slow to issue permits for the berms; the moratorium) and no one has accused me of ODS.
The thing is - I've taken issue with decisions and explained my reasons why; folks can decide for themselves if they think my reasons are reasonable or not. What I haven't done is be outraged at any old thing just for the purpose of being outraged. I'm not sure why folks don't get what the difference is.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:47:55pm |
re: #62 Gus 802
Thanks Freetoken.
I should know better by now than to engage.
don't call me outraged when I'm not...that's koolaid speak
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:48:04pm |
re: #60 freetoken
derange |diˈrānj|
Does not apply to Gus.
My God! I was just stepping into the tram when this utter blackguard pushed past me and deranged my petticoats!
[clutches pearls]
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:48:46pm |
re: #66 b_sharp
This is me rolling my eyes.
This is me sighing.
this is me popping open a long neck ;)
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freetoken Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:49:03pm |
re: #67 Cato the Elder
My God! I was just stepping into the tram when this utter blackguard pushed past me and deranged my petticoats!
[clutches pearls]
Aha! Always knew you were a cross-dresser!!
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:50:25pm |
re: #67 Cato the Elder
My God! I was just stepping into the tram when this utter blackguard pushed past me and deranged my petticoats!
[clutches pearls]
no pearl necklace jokes...
no pearl necklace jokes...
no pearl necklace jokes...
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:51:26pm |
re: #70 brookly red
no pearl necklace jokes...
no pearl necklace jokes...
no pearl necklace jokes...
I'll do it
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:52:02pm |
re: #65 albusteve
don't call me outraged when I'm not...that's koolaid speak
Bleh this is frustrating because the same thing happened during the Bush administration. Nothing he did was right to those who didn't like him, the only difference is there isn't a race component, so to some that makes this time around worse.
Note, not saying albu is only hating, or gus only defending, but the general pattern seems to repeat itself every 4-8 years.
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webevintage Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:52:04pm |
re: #52 albusteve
thanks for that...your slip is showing...
when any criticism of BO is an outrage, you have lost your ability to see anything objectively...deranged
You know what I see?
I see people outraged at Obama over things we did. not. care. about. when other Presidents did them.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:52:16pm |
Meanwhile, no one pays any attention to my multi-culti song and my laborious translation thereof.
Sniff.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:53:07pm |
re: #64 reine.de.tout
I will point out that I have taken issue with some of the administration's actions and decisions as re: the oil spill (slow to issue permits for the berms; the moratorium) and no one has accused me of ODS.
The thing is - I've taken issue with decisions and explained my reasons why; folks can decide for themselves if they think my reasons are reasonable or not. What I haven't done is be outraged at any old thing just for the purpose of being outraged. I'm not sure why folks don't get what the difference is.
they don't want to give up their phony leverage when arguing about BO
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:54:08pm |
re: #74 Cato the Elder
Meanwhile, no one pays any attention to my multi-culti song and my laborious translation thereof.
Sniff.
well you were warned not to cast your pearls to us swine, now weren't you?
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webevintage Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:54:12pm |
re: #56 JasonA
Why should I be upset with the President for not attending an event for an organization that discriminates against me?
Because, OMG! the Boy Scouts are full of America's future leaders.
Gretchen said so, so it must be true.
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Stonemason Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:54:20pm |
re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist
2. However, given that the loudest critics of this are also the same people who freaked when he addressed the nation's schoolchildren, it seems fair to say they wouldn't be happy no matter what.
2 things before I start...yes, most of those featured during that riff wouldn't be happy no matter what, and second, I didn't personally have a problem with the school address. That said:
There is a difference between the 2 items. The scout gig is voluntary, those boys and adult leaders chose to go to Jamboree, and at each Jamboree there is a slot for the President to speak. Sometimes the President shows up, sometimes he doesn't. The kids at school were basically a captive audience, and that tends to scare some folk, turned out they were wrong and those of us who said it wasn't a big deal were right, but their fears could be considered valid (just like the fears of the left when Reagan did it).
Anyhow, just wanted to point out that the comparison is kinda, well, apples to crab-apples...
back to work now.
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:54:43pm |
re: #73 webevintage
You know what I see?
I see people outraged at Obama over things we did. not. care. about. when other Presidents did them.
Yeah, but in the same strain, when the oil spill happened, there wasn't anyone saying Obama doesn't care about white people...
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:54:45pm |
Based on the comments on the thread downstairs, I propose we ban the building of any religious structure anywhere in the country.
Don't want peoples feewings hurt, do we?
///
9_9
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:54:58pm |
re: #72 robdouth
Bleh this is frustrating because the same thing happened during the Bush administration. Nothing he did was right to those who didn't like him, the only difference is there isn't a race component, so to some that makes this time around worse.
Note, not saying albu is only hating, or gus only defending, but the general pattern seems to repeat itself every 4-8 years.
What race component?
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:56:47pm |
re: #81 Walter L. Newton
What race component?
the component of criticism that indicates I'm a racist because I disagree with BO...hahaha!
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Stonemason Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:58:22pm |
re: #56 JasonA
Why should I be upset with the President for not attending an event for an organization that discriminates against me?
that is bull crap, if you can find anywhere on any official boy scout site, link, paperwork, that proves your point, please, bring it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 2:58:26pm |
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Four More Tears Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:01:02pm |
re: #83 Stonemason
that is bull crap, if you can find anywhere on any official boy scout site, link, paperwork, that proves your point, please, bring it.
I'll be waiting for your apology.
● Youth and Adult Volunteers
Boy Scouts of America believes that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. Accordingly, youth members and adult volunteer leaders of Boy Scouts of America obligate themselves to do their duty to God and be reverent as embodied in the Scout Oath and the Scout Law. Leaders also must subscribe to the Declaration of Religious Principle. Because of its views concerning the duty to God, Boy Scouts of America believes that an atheist or agnostic is not an appropriate role model of the Scout Oath and Law for adolescent boys. Because of Scouting’s methods and beliefs, Scouting does not accept atheists and agnostics as members or adult volunteer leaders.
[Link: www.bsalegal.org...]
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:01:54pm |
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:02:23pm |
re: #85 JasonA
I'll be waiting for your apology.
● Youth and Adult Volunteers
Boy Scouts of America believes that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. Accordingly, youth members and adult volunteer leaders of Boy Scouts of America obligate themselves to do their duty to God and be reverent as embodied in the Scout Oath and the Scout Law. Leaders also must subscribe to the Declaration of Religious Principle. Because of its views concerning the duty to God, Boy Scouts of America believes that an atheist or agnostic is not an appropriate role model of the Scout Oath and Law for adolescent boys. Because of Scouting’s methods and beliefs, Scouting does not accept atheists and agnostics as members or adult volunteer leaders.[Link: www.bsalegal.org...]
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:03:20pm |
The Boy Scouts are the future leaders of Americkay?
Yay?
What do they say?
F*ck a Grrrl Scout every day!
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:04:41pm |
re: #81 Walter L. Newton
What race component?
Well the only difference between BDS and ODS is that people recognizing ODS, also attribute a race aspect to it, whereas the hatred of Bush was part cultural instead of racial, so there's more belief that ODS is worse than BDS because the object of the syndrome usually is also of a different race.
To me it's just history repeating itself. If it had been Hillary, their would be a sexist component. If it had been Edwards or Biden, it would have just been BDS but aimed at a white democrat instead of black.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:05:17pm |
re: #85 JasonA
I'll be waiting for your apology.
● Youth and Adult Volunteers
Boy Scouts of America believes that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. Accordingly, youth members and adult volunteer leaders of Boy Scouts of America obligate themselves to do their duty to God and be reverent as embodied in the Scout Oath and the Scout Law. Leaders also must subscribe to the Declaration of Religious Principle. Because of its views concerning the duty to God, Boy Scouts of America believes that an atheist or agnostic is not an appropriate role model of the Scout Oath and Law for adolescent boys. Because of Scouting’s methods and beliefs, Scouting does not accept atheists and agnostics as members or adult volunteer leaders.[Link: www.bsalegal.org...]
Wait we don't even accept Agnostics?
Well f*** you very much BSA!
(Said by a (former?) eagle scout with an eagle scout for a brother and father)
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tnguitarist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:05:51pm |
re: #86 robdouth
LOL, that's hilarious, my initial belief that the criticism of Obama's presidency is mirroring Bush's almost exactly is frighteningly dead on.
That's BS and you know it. First of all, Tennessee received federal assistance. Second, how many people died in Katrina? Both events are terrible, but they are apples and oranges.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:05:56pm |
re: #86 robdouth
LOL, that's hilarious, my initial belief that the criticism of Obama's presidency is mirroring Bush's almost exactly is frighteningly dead on.
Bitching that Obama doesn't like white people has actually become something political commenters--or whatever the hell you call people like Beck--do.
WHat Kanye hath wrought.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:07:10pm |
re: #78 Stonemason
2 things before I start...yes, most of those featured during that riff wouldn't be happy no matter what, and second, I didn't personally have a problem with the school address. That said:
There is a difference between the 2 items. The scout gig is voluntary, those boys and adult leaders chose to go to Jamboree, and at each Jamboree there is a slot for the President to speak. Sometimes the President shows up, sometimes he doesn't. The kids at school were basically a captive audience, and that tends to scare some folk, turned out they were wrong and those of us who said it wasn't a big deal were right, but their fears could be considered valid (just like the fears of the left when Reagan did it).
Anyhow, just wanted to point out that the comparison is kinda, well, apples to crab-apples...
back to work now.
It's not a perfect parallel, no.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:07:13pm |
re: #89 robdouth
Well the only difference between BDS and ODS is that people recognizing ODS, also attribute a race aspect to it, whereas the hatred of Bush was part cultural instead of racial, so there's more belief that ODS is worse than BDS because the object of the syndrome usually is also of a different race.
To me it's just history repeating itself. If it had been Hillary, their would be a sexist component. If it had been Edwards or Biden, it would have just been BDS but aimed at a white democrat instead of black.
I don't agree with about 80 percent of President Obama's policies or the direction he is talking this country in. So, you attribute a racist aspect to my disagreement with the President?
I don't like Michael Vick either.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:08:41pm |
re: #94 Walter L. Newton
I don't agree with about 80 percent of President Obama's policies or the direction he is talking this country in. So, you attribute a racist aspect to my disagreement with the President?
I don't like Michael Vick either.
And here we go again.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:08:57pm |
re: #87 Varek Raith
● Youth and Adult Volunteers
Boy Scouts of America believes that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God (aka YHWH, aka Brahma, aka Allah, aka Jah). Accordingly, youth members and adult volunteer leaders of Boy Scouts of America obligate themselves to do their duty to God (aka YHWH, aka Brahma, aka Allah, aka Jah) and be reverent as embodied in the Scout Oath and the Scout Law. Leaders also must subscribe to the Declaration of Religious Principle.
So, no one can be a Boy Scout if he's a Rastafarian?
Funny, Rastafarians are some of the most religious people I know.
Ask the Jews when they were allowed to join the Boy Snots.
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mr.fusion Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:09:01pm |
re: #64 reine.de.tout
Great post
I won't lie, I'm a supporter of the Pres....but I'm not short on criticisms of the guy (Gitmo, wire tapping, etc). The thing is, when you complain non-stop about total BS, whether it's this BSA thing, not wearing a coat in the Oval Office, etc etc, the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome sets in.
My immediate reaction to any story I see on Drudge et al is, "that's total BS"
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Stonemason Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:09:55pm |
re: #85 JasonA
Wow, I had never seen that, just the declaration below that I followed as a leader. Boy, they'd be pissed at me then 'cause did several ceremonies that were all inclusive with regard to faith/no faith.
You have my apology.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:11:55pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:12:01pm |
re: #96 Cato the Elder
So, no one can be a Boy Scout if he's a Rastafarian?
Funny, Rastafarians are some of the most religious people I know.
Ask the Jews when they were allowed to join the Boy Snots.
Actually, I have no clue. Were Jews excluded from Scouting at some point?
I know currently some leaders in the Reform community are urging parents not to enroll their boys.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:12:24pm |
re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist
And here we go again.
Maybe. Probably not for long... I have to go to work soon. But I see these ODS and racist component broad brushed statement come up over and over... and it sort of belies the real point.
Yes, there are people who don't like President Obama first and foremost because he is black. No doubt about it.
And then there are not.
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Amory Blaine Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:13:23pm |
Weren't these the same people who said Obama was trying to indoctrinate their children to communism when he addressed school children last year?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:13:25pm |
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:14:26pm |
re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist
Well.
There is that.
So, who's the new oldest man in Tokyo?
Duh.
A zombie!
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:15:17pm |
re: #101 Walter L. Newton
Maybe. Probably not for long... I have to go to work soon. But I see these ODS and racist component broad brushed statement come up over and over... and it sort of belies the real point.
Yes, there are people who don't like President Obama first and foremost because he is black. No doubt about it.
And then there are not.
And absolutely everyone on this site has acknowledged that repeatedly. And yet, every time someone mentions that there is a racial component to criticism aimed at Obama--not exactly a broad-brushed statement, unless you insist it means that all criticism of Obama has a racial compenent--people pop up to be offended all over again.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:15:22pm |
The most successful member of my Boy Scout troop (besides me) is currently serving time for drug dealing.
Future leaders of America. Yep.
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:15:53pm |
re: #91 tnguitarist
That's BS and you know it. First of all, Tennessee received federal assistance. Second, how many people died in Katrina? Both events are terrible, but they are apples and oranges.
How is it BS. Neither is based in reality and neither is directly responsible for the disasters. It's pretty apropos.
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:16:29pm |
re: #106 Cato the Elder
The most successful member of my Boy Scout troop (besides me) is currently serving time for drug dealing.
Future leaders of America. Yep.
The lesson?
Don't join the BSA unless you want to be like Cato!
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:16:30pm |
re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist
And absolutely everyone on this site has acknowledged that repeatedly. And yet, every time someone mentions that there is a racial component to criticism aimed at Obama--not exactly a broad-brushed statement, unless you insist it means that all criticism of Obama has a racial compenent--people pop up to be offended all over again.
Yep... when they don't qualify it. I will... ho... hum.
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:16:35pm |
Yeah, what a controversial video.
Jon Stewart nails it again.
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Stonemason Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:17:39pm |
re: #106 Cato the Elder
It still is a good organization, and at the local pack/troop level, many of the rules from on high are quietly ignored.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:17:46pm |
re: #102 Amory Blaine
Weren't these the same people who said Obama was trying to indoctrinate their children to communism when he addressed school children last year?
Indeed. Now, as Stonemason points out, public school children are more of a captive audience than Boy Scouts, so there is that distinction, which I'm sure is first and foremost in Michelle Malkin's mind.
On the other hand, people here seemed to fantasize that Obama's address would be seen in every school across the land, by order of the White House.
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:17:52pm |
re: #94 Walter L. Newton
I don't agree with about 80 percent of President Obama's policies or the direction he is talking this country in. So, you attribute a racist aspect to my disagreement with the President?
I don't like Michael Vick either.
Absolutely not. I'm saying that some people would argue that ODS is worse because he also happens to be black and since for the deranged that hate him it will undoubtedly turn racial, that makes it worse than BDS, and I just argue they are equally bad.
Opposing him and 80% of his policies is not deranged or whatever. I don't personally like his policies either, but I (as I'm sure you do) don't knee-jerk react to everything he does just because it's him doing it. That's the difference between you're opposition and BDS or ODS.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:18:17pm |
re: #111 Stonemason
It still is a good organization, and at the local pack/troop level, many of the rules from on high are quietly ignored.
Sounds a bit like my Catholic parish.
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tnguitarist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:18:58pm |
re: #107 robdouth
How is it BS. Neither is based in reality and neither is directly responsible for the disasters. It's pretty apropos.
Are you agreeing with the article in question?
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:19:18pm |
"The gentleman will observe regular order and sit down!"
Wow, kick ass.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:19:57pm |
re: #109 Walter L. Newton
Yep... when they don't qualify it. I will... ho... hum.
Ho-hum indeed. I'm tired of coddling people's feelings about this.
There is racism aimed at the president. I'm not going to keep qualifying and hemming and hawing over this as though it were some sort of really delicate subject.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:21:08pm |
re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist
And absolutely everyone on this site has acknowledged that repeatedly. And yet, every time someone mentions that there is a racial component to criticism aimed at Obama--not exactly a broad-brushed statement, unless you insist it means that all criticism of Obama has a racial compenent--people pop up to be offended all over again.
I take each post and each poster at face value...I don't give a shit about all the rest, but it pours down when I criticize BO...the race card is played and over played....the outrage gig is right behind, overplayed already...BO supporters are extremely sensitive, partly because they have heavily invested into hopeandchange, which is not working out...thinned skinned to the max
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:21:41pm |
I learned about sex in the Boy Scouts.
The older members (pun intended) told me what I was expected to do to and for them once we made camp.
Clean in thought, word, and deed? Not so much.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:21:49pm |
re: #108 Varek Raith
The lesson?
Don't join the BSA unless you want to be like Cato!
at least they didn't get his handbag...he's cool
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:22:08pm |
re: #115 tnguitarist
Are you agreeing with the article in question?
No I'm stating that irrational hatred of the opposition is a universal thing for some people. There is some small percentage that will hate the opponent no matter what they do. BDS, ODS, they are sides on the same coin. It's why I don't worry too much about the right, becaue as the left has shown, there is nothing quite as moderating as being in power. Put Republicans that are saying stupid ODS like things back in power, and they put on their governing hat and drop the over the top rhetoric just like a lot on the left did when they got their man in the whitehouse.
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:22:31pm |
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:22:43pm |
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tnguitarist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:23:51pm |
re: #121 robdouth
If you're not agreeing with the article, then cool.
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:24:29pm |
About all this hopeandchangey stuff;
Don't blame me, I voted for Insane McCain and Bible Spice!...
Wait...
DAMMIT!
XD
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:24:37pm |
re: #118 albusteve
I take each post and each poster at face value...I don't give a shit about all the rest, but it pours down when I criticize BO...the race card is played and over played...the outrage gig is right behind, overplayed already...BO supporters are extremely sensitive, partly because they have heavily invested into hopeandchange, which is not working out...thinned skinned to the max
I would also argue that when you are on one side or the other, it's human nature to downplay the good about your opponent and really pound on the negative. Think Bush at DKos, Obama at HotAir, Palin here. Note I'm not saying that there isn't a varying degree of honesty that has to be factored in, but it's a given that if you disagree with a person, you're going to highlight the negative and not necessarily accentuate the positive.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:25:17pm |
re: #118 albusteve
I take each post and each poster at face value...I don't give a shit about all the rest, but it pours down when I criticize BO...the race card is played and over played...the outrage gig is right behind, overplayed already...BO supporters are extremely sensitive, partly because they have heavily invested into hopeandchange, which is not working out...thinned skinned to the max
Do I count as a 'BO supporter'? I voted for him because he was the Democratic nominee, and only after a brief wrestle with myself in the booth. I consider him adequate, approve of much of what he has done, and have no clue what this 'hopenchange' crap everyone is supposed to be so invested in is.
So I don't know how thinskinned I am about the man, except that the criticism aimed at him often borders on the surreal.
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:27:59pm |
re: #125 Varek Raith
About all this hopeandchangey stuff;
Don't blame me, I voted for Insane McCain and Bible Spice!...
Wait...
DAMMIT!
XD
Yeah. They call me Mr. Hopeychangey and the Obot and I voted for Pain in the McCain and Caribou Barbie Palin.
The irony is dripping.
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:28:27pm |
re: #124 tnguitarist
If you're not agreeing with the article, then cool.
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was thinking that both BDS and ODS are silly. I am probably on the policy spectrum closer to Bush than Obama, but I can recognize the knee-jerk hatred of both and laugh. Albu, I'm not dropping you in the ODS camp, so don't misunderstand me and think I am. I think you and Wayne are honest about your criticism, and I'm definitely not going to go out of my way to talk up our current POTUS, but then again, I didn't talk up our former one. But I will defend either if I think the criticism is unfair, like the article listed by SFzion.
Another non-political example, is how even though I'm originally from Cleveland and frustrated by the way in which Lebron left, I don't begrudge him the reasoning behind the decision and I defend him from stupid and unfair criticisms of the nature of "Jordon/Kobe/Bird/Magic" wouldn't have done what he's done, because none of them ever found themselves in his situation so the comparison is unfair. ok /Sports off.
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engineer cat Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:28:50pm |
re: #118 albusteve
they have heavily invested into hopeandchange, which is not working out...
since i didn't expect obama to be a strong progressive, i am more than happy to see that the health insurance reform bill outlaws the despicable practice of denial of insurance, which is not legal anyplace else in the world. that, and the fact that he is generally sane, intelligent and realistic, means that "that hopey-changey thing" is working out just fine for me, thanks
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:29:14pm |
re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist
Do I count as a 'BO supporter'? I voted for him because he was the Democratic nominee, and only after a brief wrestle with myself in the booth. I consider him adequate, approve of much of what he has done, and have no clue what this 'hopenchange' crap everyone is supposed to be so invested in is.
So I don't know how thinskinned I am about the man, except that the criticism aimed at him often borders on the surreal.
If you voted for someone & approve of much of what they have done then I guess you fall into the category of supporter, yes?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:29:36pm |
re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist
Do I count as a 'BO supporter'? I voted for him because he was the Democratic nominee, and only after a brief wrestle with myself in the booth. I consider him adequate, approve of much of what he has done, and have no clue what this 'hopenchange' crap everyone is supposed to be so invested in is.
So I don't know how thinskinned I am about the man, except that the criticism aimed at him often borders on the surreal.
No... you count as a socialist :)
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:29:39pm |
re: #130 engineer dog
since i didn't expect obama to be a strong progressive, i am more than happy to see that the health insurance reform bill outlaws the despicable practice of denial of insurance, which is not legal anyplace else in the world. that, and the fact that he is generally sane, intelligent and realistic, means that "that hopey-changey thing" is working out just fine for me, thanks
you mean in 2014 it will be working out for you?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:29:44pm |
re: #128 Gus 802
Yeah. They call me Mr. Hopeychangey and the Obot and I voted for Pain in the McCain and Caribou Barbie Palin.
The irony is dripping.
There's only two kinds of folks, Gus. People who think Obama is an almost unbelievable disaster, and Obots. So make up yer mind!
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:29:49pm |
re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist
Do I count as a 'BO supporter'? I voted for him because he was the Democratic nominee, and only after a brief wrestle with myself in the booth. I consider him adequate, approve of much of what he has done, and have no clue what this 'hopenchange' crap everyone is supposed to be so invested in is.
So I don't know how thinskinned I am about the man, except that the criticism aimed at him often borders on the surreal.
Well, first his opponents set him up as the savior of the world.
Then they projected that silly notion onto his supporters.
And now they're blaming those supporters and him for not living up to the silly shit they projected onto him.
End of story.
Sequel pending.
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:30:30pm |
re: #132 Walter L. Newton
No... you count as a socialist :)
I'm guessing you are being funny, because using the socialist label, like when Bush was called fascist, always reaks to me of the ODS or BDS situation.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:31:00pm |
re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist
Do I count as a 'BO supporter'? I voted for him because he was the Democratic nominee, and only after a brief wrestle with myself in the booth. I consider him adequate, approve of much of what he has done, and have no clue what this 'hopenchange' crap everyone is supposed to be so invested in is.
So I don't know how thinskinned I am about the man, except that the criticism aimed at him often borders on the surreal.
you'll probably be blown away with the broad brush....c'ya!!!
actually you seem fairly sane to me most of the time, and I don't think I indentify with wingnuts any more than you do....all politicians are targets to me, every single one of them regardless of party affiliation
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:31:21pm |
I would tell the Boy Scouts to go fuck themselves, but if my experience is any guide, they're too busy fucking each other.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:32:25pm |
re: #131 brookly red
If you voted for someone & approve of much of what they have done then I guess you fall into the category of supporter, yes?
OK, then I guess I am. But I'm not terribly emotionally invested in the man, nor am I stinging from the apparent dramatic failure of 'hopenchange'. He's was my third choice in the party nominations, and contrary to popular mythology, I never expected him to get me a unicorn or pay my rent.
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:32:40pm |
re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist
There's only two kinds of folks, Gus. People who think Obama is an almost unbelievable disaster, and Obots. So make up yer mind!
Yeah, guess it's that simple.
I was just thinking about something else. You'll rarely find me taking a crap on George Bush either who I also voted for in 2004. I got some heat from my liberal friends for not getting all discombobulated about Bush during his term. This is a similar reaction for me not being all discombobulated about Obama.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:32:50pm |
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:32:52pm |
re: #130 engineer dog
since i didn't expect obama to be a strong progressive, i am more than happy to see that the health insurance reform bill outlaws the despicable practice of denial of insurance, which is not legal anyplace else in the world. that, and the fact that he is generally sane, intelligent and realistic, means that "that hopey-changey thing" is working out just fine for me, thanks
no comment
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:33:10pm |
re: #135 Cato the Elder
Well, first his opponents set him up as the savior of the world.
Then they projected that silly notion onto his supporters.
And now they're blaming those supporters and him for not living up to the silly shit they projected onto him.
End of story.
Sequel pending.
Actually his opponents didn't set him up that way, and youtube videos with songs of adoration were not "projected" onto his supporters.
"People will remember this as the time when the oceans started receding" was not projected onto him.
His rhetoric during the campaign was a little over the top, and the whole "we are the change we have been waiting for" was creepy, but he isn't nearly as left as the opponents made him out to be, so I've been happy that he's been at best moderately left and mostly ineffective, which is all I can really hope for from politicians.
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engineer cat Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:33:47pm |
re: #133 robdouth
you mean in 2014 it will be working out for you?
in 2014, it turns out, the revisions in health insurance law will make it possible for both small businesses and their lower salary employees to pay less for health insurance, freeing small businesses from the burden of carrying it
that's what i learned from my extensive exploration of the issue with a small business owner who comments here, last night
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:33:58pm |
re: #140 Gus 802
Yeah, guess it's that simple.
I was just thinking about something else. You'll rarely find me taking a crap on George Bush either who I also voted for in 2004. I got some heat from my liberal friends for not getting all discombobulated about Bush during his term. This is a similar reaction for me not being all discombobulated about Obama.
Heh, 2004 was my first Presidential vote.
I voted for GWB.
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prairiefire Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:34:20pm |
re: #135 Cato the Elder
Well, first his opponents set him up as the savior of the world.
Then they projected that silly notion onto his supporters.
And now they're blaming those supporters and him for not living up to the silly shit they projected onto him.
End of story.
Sequel pending.
Succinct and correct.
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:34:28pm |
re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, then I guess I am. But I'm not terribly emotionally invested in the man, nor am I stinging from the apparent dramatic failure of 'hopenchange'. He's was my third choice in the party nominations, and contrary to popular mythology, I never expected him to get me a unicorn or pay my rent.
3rd? wow...
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:34:30pm |
re: #135 Cato the Elder
Well, first his opponents set him up as the savior of the world.
Then they projected that silly notion onto his supporters.
And now they're blaming those supporters and him for not living up to the silly shit they projected onto him.
End of story.
Sequel pending.
Pretty much. I keep hearing that I thought he was Moshiach. I guess the disappointment must have been so vast that I blocked that out and replaced it with memories of getting drunk and snarling that they gave Hillary's job to a man. A YOUNG man.
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engineer cat Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:34:57pm |
re: #142 albusteve
no comment
how's that bush pere and fils administration thing workin' out for you?
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:34:58pm |
re: #144 engineer dog
in 2014, it turns out, the revisions in health insurance law will make it possible for both small businesses and their lower salary employees to pay less for health insurance, freeing small businesses from the burden of carrying it
that's what i learned from my extensive exploration of the issue with a small business owner who comments here, last night
Yeah I just meant that if you are big on the health care reform, then you mean in 2014 it's going to work out for you. I was just saying it's not working for us yet.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:35:08pm |
re: #137 albusteve
you'll probably be blown away with the broad brush...c'ya!!!
actually you seem fairly sane to me most of the time, and I don't think I indentify with wingnuts any more than you do...all politicians are targets to me, every single one of them regardless of party affiliation
I've noticed.
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:35:45pm |
re: #145 Varek Raith
Heh, 2004 was my first Presidential vote.
I voted for GWB.
piss poor voting record for someone who is 1,200 years old if you ask me.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:36:14pm |
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prairiefire Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:36:19pm |
re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist
Go to the back of your Puma cage with you! I still remember that post of yours, blog gold.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:36:26pm |
re: #140 Gus 802
Yeah, guess it's that simple.
I was just thinking about something else. You'll rarely find me taking a crap on George Bush either who I also voted for in 2004. I got some heat from my liberal friends for not getting all discombobulated about Bush during his term. This is a similar reaction for me not being all discombobulated about Obama.
I voted against Bush twice, but always thought the personal demonizing of the man was tacky.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:36:30pm |
re: #138 Cato the Elder
I would tell the Boy Scouts to go fuck themselves, but if my experience is any guide, they're too busy fucking each other.
I was a G.S. till I was 14. It was one of the best experiences in my life. I'm sure if someone tried to have sex with me, I wouldn't have thought so. We had an awesome leader for many years who really enjoyed being a scout herself and I think that's important.
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:36:39pm |
re: #152 brookly red
piss poor voting record for someone who is 1,200 years old if you ask me.
That's what minions are for!
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:36:57pm |
re: #145 Varek Raith
Heh, 2004 was my first Presidential vote.
I voted for GWB.
I'm with you: My 3 votes that I've been old enough for:
2000: Bush
2004: Bush
2008: Disillusioned with Bush and knowing what McCain and Obama would continue the spending spree, I wrote in John Galt.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:37:21pm |
re: #147 brookly red
3rd? wow...
I had a fondness for Richardson. He managed to run through that by the end of the campaign, but it was there...
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:37:51pm |
re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist
I had a fondness for Richardson. He managed to run through that by the end of the campaign, but it was there...
Chicks dig beards.
///
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:37:51pm |
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Stonemason Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:38:12pm |
re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist
Pretty much. I keep hearing that I thought he was Moshiach. I guess the disappointment must have been so vast that I blocked that out and replaced it with memories of getting drunk and snarling that they gave Hillary's job to a man. A YOUNG man.
Speaking of Hillary, what are the odds that she will force a primary season? We talked about this a little at work today, I think 0, no way will she buck th party, but coworker says she could use the "I am the only hope to save the Presidency for Democrats" campaign if the tenor of politics does not change between now and then.
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:38:17pm |
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:38:33pm |
re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist
I had a fondness for Richardson. He managed to run through that by the end of the campaign, but it was there...
Plus his restaurant's here in AZ serve up delicious Southwest cuisine, If I were Registered D that would have been enough to earn my vote.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:38:35pm |
re: #156 marjoriemoon
I was a G.S. till I was 14. It was one of the best experiences in my life. I'm sure if someone tried to have sex with me, I wouldn't have thought so. We had an awesome leader for many years who really enjoyed being a scout herself and I think that's important.
My experience was that older Boy Scouts had nothing else in mind outside of getting younger ones to suck their dicks.
I was nauseated.
Your mileage may vary.
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engineer cat Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:39:07pm |
re: #150 robdouth
Yeah I just meant that if you are big on the health care reform, then you mean in 2014 it's going to work out for you. I was just saying it's not working for us yet.
oh, i see what you mean now
i'm actually astonished that the bill, whatever its deficiencies, was actually passed. that alone justifies his first term to me, even if we have to wait for things to go into effect
but i'm also very happy to hear intelligent and sane things said by a presidential administration every day instead of otherwise
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:39:40pm |
anybody that didn't trash Bush at the point of Immigration Reform was a bot, a bushbot....he fucked up the Surge which I was actually outraged by blog standards...Bush was what he was, just like BO...a moving target for my wrath
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:39:59pm |
re: #153 albusteve
btw, do you hold office?
jus askin
I was the faculty representative to the board of my charter school a couple of years ago. Does that count?
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:40:17pm |
re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist
I had a fondness for Richardson. He managed to run through that by the end of the campaign, but it was there...
mud from head to toe
filthy dirty
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:40:37pm |
re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist
I was the faculty representative to the board of my charter school a couple of years ago. Does that count?
Did you inspire terror over those you wielded power over?
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:40:53pm |
re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist
I had a fondness for Richardson. He managed to run through that by the end of the campaign, but it was there...
I work a different kinda way... I am a democrat (& I love saying that cause somewhere out there someone just had a cardiac event) but if the other side is better I vote that way... It is a trick I learned as a former Mets fan.
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Randall Gross Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:41:28pm |
Since the boy scouts make a point of purposefully excluding gays and atheists, I don't see any issue or problem with the President dissing them eternally until they become more tolerant and inclusive.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:42:17pm |
re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist
I was the faculty representative to the board of my charter school a couple of years ago. Does that count?
I'll wait for the results of the investigation....
but probably does not count....please contact me if you change your address, thanks
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:42:32pm |
re: #166 engineer dog
oh, i see what you mean now
i'm actually astonished that the bill, whatever its deficiencies, was actually passed. that alone justifies his first term to me, even if we have to wait for things to go into effect
but i'm also very happy to hear intelligent and sane things said by a presidential administration every day instead of otherwise
I don't know, working in Hospital finance, I'm very scared of what the implications of the bill may be. Everyone talks about the insurance part and making sure everyone has coverage, no one talks about what might have to happen to make sure everyone has it, namely the lower reimbursement rate to hospitals, and whether a lot of the hospitals will be able to survive with a higher bad debt percentage. I'm not worried, because we have a good payor mix in my area, but I worry about a lot of the hospitals in the central valley, because I know they aren't doing that hot now, if the reimbursement drops, we could see some go belly up. I haven't been able to get a straight answer on how the reimbursements will fall, but just going from a lot of the other models for universal healthcare, the docs and hospitals don't usually end up liking the situation, but they may just have the government prop up the NFP even more than they do now to make up the shortfall and keep the hospitals open.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:42:57pm |
re: #160 Varek Raith
Chicks dig beards.
///
Does anyone remember--I can't recall what show it was, but a piece where all the candidates gathered on Oprah to confess things they wanted people to forget about by the election.
Hillary: "When I was young, and naive...I had sex with Bill Clinton."
Kucinich: "I'm a virgin."
Oprah (gently): "Mr. Kucinich, we're talking about things the voters don't know."
Giuliani: "My kids hate me."
McCain (gets to his feet, breaks Giuliani's neck, killing him instantly): "I just did that."
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:43:06pm |
re: #165 Cato the Elder
My experience was that older Boy Scouts had nothing else in mind outside of getting younger ones to suck their dicks.
I was nauseated.
Your mileage may vary.
Boys are indeed different than girls. But that's a shame that happened to you, really. I have a lot of admiration for Girl Scouts.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:43:34pm |
Democratic Surge? Part II
Some interesting polling numbers here. The Republicans are not doing well in generic ballots especially if you ignore Rassmussen (which you should). Blumenthal is skeptical but maybe the Tea Parties and Glenn Beck have taken their toll.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:43:38pm |
re: #162 Stonemason
Speaking of Hillary, what are the odds that she will force a primary season? We talked about this a little at work today, I think 0, no way will she buck th party, but coworker says she could use the "I am the only hope to save the Presidency for Democrats" campaign if the tenor of politics does not change between now and then.
I don't think she'd do it. It's an enormous risk with only one possible outcome that could benefit her.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:43:55pm |
re: #172 Thanos
Since the boy scouts make a point of purposefully excluding gays and atheists, I don't see any issue or problem with the President dissing them eternally until they become more tolerant and inclusive.
then he should not have excepted the Presidency of the BSA....no guts, no glory
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:44:13pm |
re: #167 albusteve
anybody that didn't trash Bush at the point of Immigration Reform was a bot, a bushbot...he fucked up the Surge which I was actually outraged by blog standards...Bush was what he was, just like BO...a moving target for my wrath
What part of the surge did he F up, because I thought the surge eventually helped lead to less violence. Isn't the surge why Afghanistan is the only war in the headlines anymore? Did I miss something in the 5 months I took off reading politics leading up to the election and the 5-7 months afterwards because of being burned-out?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:44:30pm |
re: #170 Varek Raith
Did you inspire terror over those you wielded power over?
I can't say that I wielded any power at all.
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:44:50pm |
re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist
I voted against Bush twice, but always thought the personal demonizing of the man was tacky.
Overall I learned over the years that the president doesn't affect everything in this country including the economy. The same holds true with the current sitting president especially with regards to the now global economy. It's a fact of life that some people refuse to accept and people expect quick and magical answer to problems that took decades to appear. The current habit is to blame the government for the economy. This flies in the face of record profits being posted by a number of industries and corporations while trillions of dollars in capital is being sat upon by financial institutions.
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:45:14pm |
re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist
I can't say that I wielded any power at all.
Then, no, it doesn't count.
:)
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:45:45pm |
re: #179 albusteve
then he should not have excepted the Presidency of the BSA...no guts, no glory
Do you get an option to accept or decline?
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:46:13pm |
re: #180 robdouth
What part of the surge did he F up, because I thought the surge eventually helped lead to less violence. Isn't the surge why Afghanistan is the only war in the headlines anymore? Did I miss something in the 5 months I took off reading politics leading up to the election and the 5-7 months afterwards because of being burned-out?
two years too late...he pandered and people died..I will never forgive him for that...tough guy eh?....when it counted he didn't fight to win, he stroked the opposition
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:46:20pm |
re: #182 Gus 802
Overall I learned over the years that the president doesn't affect everything in this country including the economy. The same holds true with the current sitting president especially with regards to the now global economy. It's a fact of life that some people refuse to accept and people expect quick and magical answer to problems that took decades to appear. The current habit is to blame the government for the economy. This flies in the face of record profits being posted by a number of industries and corporations while trillions of dollars in capital is being sat upon by financial institutions.
I blame the free market system of the ups and downs of the economy.
Which makes me... a COMMUNIST!
/
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:47:44pm |
re: #186 Varek Raith
I blame the free market system of the ups and downs of the economy.
Which makes me... a COMMUNIST!
/
what free market?
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:47:51pm |
re: #186 Varek Raith
I blame the free market system of the ups and downs of the economy.
Which makes me... a COMMUNIST!
/
AKA the recession cycle.
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Sionainn Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:48:10pm |
re: #179 albusteve
then he should not have excepted the Presidency of the BSA...no guts, no glory
I think it's an honorary thing...not something that he accepts or doesn't accept.
He hasn't been "dissing" Boy Scouts anyway. There have been two groups of Boy Scouts who have gone to the Oval Office since he was elected.
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engineer cat Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:48:15pm |
re: #174 robdouth
well, you know a lot more about hospital finance than i do, that's for sure. why would reimbursement rates fall?
in any case, my general opinion is that the situation is complex, there may be a lot of detail problems with the bill, and a lot of trial and error will need to be gone through before things will be worked out
but the general principle - that any country that doesn't do everything it can to see that every child within its borders has the best health care possible (not to mention the best education) is shooting itself in the foot - has been established as a national goal
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:48:55pm |
re: #184 SanFranciscoZionist
Do you get an option to accept or decline?
beats me...why would he care?...propriety means nothing to BO
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:49:15pm |
re: #177 Killgore Trout
Democratic Surge? Part II
Some interesting polling numbers here. The Republicans are not doing well in generic ballots especially if you ignore Rassmussen (which you should). Blumenthal is skeptical but maybe the Tea Parties and Glenn Beck have taken their toll.
/you are starting to sound like Tokyo Rose...
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:49:34pm |
re: #182 Gus 802
Overall I learned over the years that the president doesn't affect everything in this country including the economy. The same holds true with the current sitting president especially with regards to the now global economy. It's a fact of life that some people refuse to accept and people expect quick and magical answer to problems that took decades to appear. The current habit is to blame the government for the economy. This flies in the face of record profits being posted by a number of industries and corporations while trillions of dollars in capital is being sat upon by financial institutions.
Yeah but it's not a zero-sum game. Certain parts of the economy can be booming right along and other parts can be sucking donkey nuts. You can't blame one industry for making record profits for another industries failures. The housing industry is no one's fault but the consumers who were willing to pay for a commodity they thought would continue to go up forever, and for Bush and congress at the time for trying to make it way too easy for people to get into houses under the misguided idea of the "culture of ownership." People acted like it was a right to own a home, whereas my wife and I lived in apartments while she finished her pharmacy schooling and even then waited until we had enough in the bank to cover us if something should go wrong, and enough to put a decent downpayment.
0 down on a house is not a good idea, because people then treat it like a rental and just walk away, killing everyone else's property values in the process.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:49:40pm |
re: #172 Thanos
Since the boy scouts make a point of purposefully excluding gays and atheists, I don't see any issue or problem with the President dissing them eternally until they become more tolerant and inclusive.
On my honor, I will try
To do my duty, to God* and my country
To help other people at all times
And to obey the Girl Scout laws.
*That evil word again.
This was the creed when I was a scout in the 70s. We also said the Pledge every morning ("One nation under God"). They are certainly more particular about those kinds of things now, but I have to say, there was nothing whatsoever religious about Scouting nor was there anything religious in public school, except for Christmas Trees and Menorahs in December.
As a Jew I learned to personally dismiss any kind of Christian references if I ever did see them. It wasn't a big deal.
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:50:09pm |
re: #192 brookly red
/you are starting to sound like Tokyo Rose...
Indeed you are correct, Baghdad Bob.
/
:)
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:51:22pm |
re: #192 brookly red
/you are starting to sound like Tokyo Rose...
Tokyo Trout?
really...don't mess with KT...
you'll get burned
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:52:35pm |
re: #196 albusteve
Tokyo Trout?
really...don't mess with KT...
you'll get burned
Do net meddle in the affairs of KT, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
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prairiefire Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:53:06pm |
re: #192 brookly red
So brookly, for how many weeks after Nov. 2nd are the LGF liberals allowed to gloat?
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:54:00pm |
re: #193 robdouth
Yeah but it's not a zero-sum game. Certain parts of the economy can be booming right along and other parts can be sucking donkey nuts. You can't blame one industry for making record profits for another industries failures. The housing industry is no one's fault but the consumers who were willing to pay for a commodity they thought would continue to go up forever, and for Bush and congress at the time for trying to make it way too easy for people to get into houses under the misguided idea of the "culture of ownership." People acted like it was a right to own a home, whereas my wife and I lived in apartments while she finished her pharmacy schooling and even then waited until we had enough in the bank to cover us if something should go wrong, and enough to put a decent downpayment.
0 down on a house is not a good idea, because people then treat it like a rental and just walk away, killing everyone else's property values in the process.
The zero down or high risk loans were sold to high risk buyers. It was making billions for the financial institutions. They knew very well what they were selling and it was not the buyers fault if it didn't work out in the end. It was the financial institutions that created and sold this scam to feed their own greed.
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:54:37pm |
re: #198 prairiefire
So brookly, for how many weeks after Nov. 2nd are the LGF liberals allowed to gloat?
this is going to be delicious...
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:55:41pm |
re: #192 brookly red
Sorry but those numbers don't look good. The only pollster giving Reps a solid lead is Rassmuessen and that should be a sign that there might be a problem.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:55:58pm |
re: #198 prairiefire
So brookly, for how many weeks after Nov. 2nd are the LGF liberals allowed to gloat?
predicting the election outcomes is bravado...have at it
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:55:58pm |
re: #197 Varek Raith
Do net meddle in the affairs of KT, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Heh.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:55:58pm |
re: #194 marjoriemoon
On my honor, I will try
To do my duty, to God* and my country
To help other people at all times
And to obey the Girl Scout laws.*That evil word again.
This was the creed when I was a scout in the 70s. We also said the Pledge every morning ("One nation under God"). They are certainly more particular about those kinds of things now, but I have to say, there was nothing whatsoever religious about Scouting nor was there anything religious in public school, except for Christmas Trees and Menorahs in December.
As a Jew I learned to personally dismiss any kind of Christian references if I ever did see them. It wasn't a big deal.
We had a very religious discussion about Easter in my second troop that pretty much ended my scouting involvement. I was confused, mostly.
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:56:31pm |
re: #201 Killgore Trout
Sorry but those numbers don't look good. The only pollster giving Reps a solid lead is Rassmuessen and that should be a sign that there might be a problem.
as you like it... Dewey Wins! :)
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:56:43pm |
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prairiefire Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:56:57pm |
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:58:52pm |
re: #203 albusteve
predicting the election outcomes is bravado...have at it
well look, people vote their pocketbooks always have & always will... traditionally the party in power loses at the midterms. That's just the way it is.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:01:16pm |
re: #209 brookly red
well look, people vote their pocketbooks always have & always will... traditionally the party in power loses at the midterms. That's just the way it is.
seems reasonable, but partisanship is off the scale this season...not all voters are as astute as some of the wicked smart posters here
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:02:42pm |
re: #209 brookly red
. traditionally the party in power loses at the midterms. That's just the way it is.
That's why those numbers should be of concern.
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:04:26pm |
re: #211 albusteve
seems reasonable, but partisanship is off the scale this season...not all voters are as astute as some of the wicked smart posters here
The fastest growing voting block is the unemployed & under employed... numbers too big to be ignored.
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:05:31pm |
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:05:56pm |
Video: The Crisis of Credit Visualized
Business | Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:50:29 pm PDT
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:06:12pm |
re: #185 albusteve
two years too late...he pandered and people died..I will never forgive him for that...tough guy eh?...when it counted he didn't fight to win, he stroked the opposition
I think it should be blamed sometimes on the opposition as well. I'm afraid that the same thing will happen to Obama. You have a small vocal minority that bitches no matter what you do, so as a president I'm sure it becomes harder to no what's legit and what's political posturing. I'm afraid Obama may be afraid to change course sometime in the future because if he's getting bitched at for everything, and then he tries to change position, there will be the calls for I told you so's and waffling and other bullshit. It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation and I think it led to inertia with Bush and I don't want to see the same mistakes from Obama. Although it seems Obama's problem is one of trying to get out in front of an issue before knowing if the issue is legit (Sherrod as an example) and maybe he'd do better to wait a couple things out.
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engineer cat Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:06:41pm |
re: #209 brookly red
well look, people vote their pocketbooks always have & always will... traditionally the party in power loses at the midterms. That's just the way it is.
i'm sure the democrats will lose seats in both the house and the senate
the crucial question is whether they will hold on to control in one or both, and this, despite a lot of certainty about taking control of congress i hear from republicans in other forums, is of course unknown and this point
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:07:44pm |
re: #217 engineer dog
i'm sure the democrats will lose seats in both the house and the senate
the crucial question is whether they will hold on to control in one or both, and this, despite a lot of certainty about taking control of congress i hear from republicans in other forums, is of course unknown and this point
that about sums it up...
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:08:30pm |
re: #199 Gus 802
The zero down or high risk loans were sold to high risk buyers. It was making billions for the financial institutions. They knew very well what they were selling and it was not the buyers fault if it didn't work out in the end. It was the financial institutions that created and sold this scam to feed their own greed.
you can't just give a pass to people who bought way above their means. Especially when they were bailed out at the expense of the rest of the taxpayers. If I fuck up and get upside down on my mortgage or car, I don't expect the government to come in and fix it for me because I was too stupid to realize that I shouldn't buy a 400K house when I make 50K a year, just because housing prices are on the rise and I tell the financiers I'm making 150K a year.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:08:53pm |
re: #216 robdouth
I think it should be blamed sometimes on the opposition as well. I'm afraid that the same thing will happen to Obama. You have a small vocal minority that bitches no matter what you do, so as a president I'm sure it becomes harder to no what's legit and what's political posturing. I'm afraid Obama may be afraid to change course sometime in the future because if he's getting bitched at for everything, and then he tries to change position, there will be the calls for I told you so's and waffling and other bullshit. It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation and I think it led to inertia with Bush and I don't want to see the same mistakes from Obama. Although it seems Obama's problem is one of trying to get out in front of an issue before knowing if the issue is legit (Sherrod as an example) and maybe he'd do better to wait a couple things out.
he wanted the office, now he has it...if he and his handlers misconstrued the level of criticism that's their problem....just wait til the Afghani gig goes even worse...an adventure I don't really agree with
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Four More Tears Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:09:04pm |
re: #98 Stonemason
Wow, I had never seen that, just the declaration below that I followed as a leader. Boy, they'd be pissed at me then 'cause did several ceremonies that were all inclusive with regard to faith/no faith.
You have my apology.
I'm still waiti... wha?
Well. Apology accepted. :)
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:10:01pm |
re: #205 SanFranciscoZionist
We had a very religious discussion about Easter in my second troop that pretty much ended my scouting involvement. I was confused, mostly.
We never had anything even remotely religious. Lots of camping, canoeing, hiking, that sort of thing.
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:11:29pm |
re: #220 albusteve
he wanted the office, now he has it...if he and his handlers misconstrued the level of criticism that's their problem...just wait til the Afghani gig goes even worse...an adventure I don't really agree with
and the enemy knows we are less than 100 days from an election don't think they won't pour it on in Sept./Oct. That too is just the way it is...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:11:38pm |
I posted this as a reply to another poster down stairs, but I think it should be elaborated and I just sent this as a mail to my local ADL.
Dear Sirs,
I am appalled by the recent statements against the so-called ground zero mosque. Let's move past the facts that the proposed mosque is not actually at "ground zero" or that the land is going to be developed commercially and not seen as particularly sacred by those who develop it.
Those points alone put paid to the hypocrisy of your stance, but they are not the real issue that needs to be addressed.
Your organization is designed to promote American liberties and fight racism and defamation. Yet, your stance on this only panders to racism, prejudice, fear and guilt by association. Here are some points to help you get over this inability of yours to distinguish between American citizens of the Islamic faith and the Jihadis who destroyed the Two Towers.
1. Islam is not monolithic. Given the terrible history of relations between Jews and Christians, should you be opposed to people building churches? If you aren't - and I hope you aren't, some possible reasons to not be opposed to the construction of new churches is that Christianity is not monolithic either. Most Christians are not keen on re-starting the inquisition and moreover most of them would be appalled by it. Obviously it would be wrong to deny a church because you lump all Christians together. Extend the courtesy of the same logic to American Muslims. The same applies to American Muslims.
2. We should only punish the guilty. To do otherwise is to simply be prejudiced. If you meet someone who is German, do you hate them? I bring that one up because, honestly when I was younger and I first went to graduate school, I met some real live actual Germans. I could not help a pit in my stomach when I met them. Then I realized that blaming someone for the sins of their grandparents was just wrong.
3. American rights and liberties stem from freedom of speech and freedom of religion - in short freedom to believe as you will without being persecuted for it. Going down the slippery slope of making exceptions in order to assuage what is ultimately a charge of guilt by association and latent racism on your part is a loss for all of America. Again and again, your organization has made this very point.
4. In the long run, the problem in 3 is a loss for you too. There are plenty who would rather not see a synagogue or a kosher bakery built as well. There are plenty who have issues with setting up an eruv. But it goes further than that. There are plenty who will have whatever grudge against this form or protestant or that form of Catholic. Would you argue that a Church that openly accepted gays should be closed or not built? You know full well that many in this nation feel that way to the point of violence. By making America free, the founding forefathers had the sense to prevent all of that, by taking it off the board.
5. American Muslims are just as American as you. Give them the same honor for their faith as you would expect in return. Just like you respect the rights of Christians even though some Christians tell you that are going to burn in hell for being a Jew.
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:12:59pm |
re: #219 robdouth
you can't just give a pass to people who bought way above their means. Especially when they were bailed out at the expense of the rest of the taxpayers. If I fuck up and get upside down on my mortgage or car, I don't expect the government to come in and fix it for me because I was too stupid to realize that I shouldn't buy a 400K house when I make 50K a year, just because housing prices are on the rise and I tell the financiers I'm making 150K a year.
Watch this video.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:13:40pm |
re: #222 marjoriemoon
We never had anything even remotely religious. Lots of camping, canoeing, hiking, that sort of thing.
I made it to Heart status before being forced out...never once did we ever get into any sort of religious speak that I recall
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:14:48pm |
re: #211 albusteve
seems reasonable, but partisanship is off the scale this season...not all voters are as astute as some of the wicked smart posters here
Yeah but calls for this "season", year, cycle is worse than any other, happen every cycle. Look at elections from the 1800's. The rhetoric in some papers is ghastly. Each year there are calls for civilizing the discourse, but each generation does it the same way with just new ways to insult or bring down the opposition. It's what happens in a thriving democracy when people have the freedom to say whatever they want and usually will.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:15:00pm |
re: #224 brookly red
and the enemy knows we are less than 100 days from an election don't think they won't pour it on in Sept./Oct. That too is just the way it is...
this month was the worst in 9 years...66 KIA
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:16:07pm |
re: #227 albusteve
I made it to Heart status before being forced out...never once did we ever get into any sort of religious speak that I recall
You mean "Life" rank.
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darthstar Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:16:16pm |
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:16:43pm |
re: #226 Gus 802
Watch this video.
[Video]
Damn work filter, I can't watch it. Can you sum it up in less than 3 words? LOL
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:16:58pm |
re: #229 albusteve
this month was the worst in 9 years...66 KIA
hey, once you tell your enemy your looking for a way out by a certain date... what else could happen.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:17:11pm |
re: #230 EmmmieG
You mean "Life" rank.
the one just under Eagle..I thought it was Heart
my bad....been awhile
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:17:49pm |
re: #227 albusteve
I made it to Heart status before being forced out...never once did we ever get into any sort of religious speak that I recall
It's really in control of the leader and their ability to control the troop and its direction. Good leaders v. bad ones.
My cousin is having problems now with her daughter's troop. One of the leaders (mothers) takes the girls to McDonalds and movies. That is not scouting. When my cousin was a leader, she did the traditional activities, but she's been back to work and hasn't been able to devote the time. If it keeps up like this, though, she'll probably remove her.
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Gus Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:18:04pm |
re: #232 robdouth
Damn work filter, I can't watch it. Can you sum it up in less than 3 words? LOL
Bookmark it. Charles posted it about a year ago. It's worth the watch. About 12 minutes long.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:18:11pm |
re: #234 albusteve
the one just under Eagle..I thought it was Heart
my bad...been awhile
That just means you remember the patch. It has a big heart on it.
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Four More Tears Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:18:12pm |
re: #233 brookly red
hey, once you tell your enemy your looking for a way out by a certain date... what else could happen.
If I were them I'd sit back and wait for us to leave instead of ratcheting things up...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:18:24pm |
re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist
Really. You are lovely.
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:19:10pm |
I know it's wrong to say, but when i get my copy of starcraft 2, I'll probably not give a shit about anything politics related until about December, then I'll kick myself playing right through the voting process, but probably not too hard.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:19:29pm |
re: #233 brookly red
hey, once you tell your enemy your looking for a way out by a certain date... what else could happen.
I'm gonna take shit for it, but I'm really not happy about it....BO has made a mess of things, so far...and kids are dying, but I'm accused of being outraged over the BSA flap?...what a laugh....you'll see some outrage soon enough from me
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tradewind Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:19:54pm |
Meanwhile,
As the Swamp Drains, Part Deux.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:20:28pm |
re: #238 JasonA
If I were them I'd sit back and wait for us to leave instead of ratcheting things up...
well yes & no... once you opponent has announced that they have no will to fight, you might as well beat them up so you can claim victory.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:20:51pm |
A frayik lied, far Shabbos begin:
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:20:53pm |
re: #237 EmmmieG
That just means you remember the patch. It has a big heart on it.
yes, thanks for that
stupid me...I have not seen that stuff in 40 years, packed away at my moms
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:21:32pm |
re: #241 albusteve
I'm gonna take shit for it, but I'm really not happy about it...BO has made a mess of things, so far...and kids are dying, but I'm accused of being outraged over the BSA flap?...what a laugh...you'll see some outrage soon enough from me
you won't take shit from me...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:22:16pm |
re: #245 Cato the Elder
A frayik lied, far Shabbos begin:
[Video]
If you keep talking like that, your foreskin will fall off :)
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Four More Tears Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:22:22pm |
re: #243 brookly red
well yes & no... once you opponent has announced that they have no will to fight, you might as well beat them up so you can claim victory.
Okay, but how many of them have died doing it?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:22:38pm |
re: #246 albusteve
yes, thanks for that
stupid me...I have not seen that stuff in 40 years, packed away at my moms
I just sewed a life patch on a uniform.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:23:21pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:24:59pm |
re: #251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You did know that today was National Cheesecake day, didn't you?
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:25:14pm |
re: #249 JasonA
Okay, but how many of them have died doing it?
they don't think like that... as an Iranian general once said, "we have so many boys, we have so few tanks".
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:25:33pm |
re: #248 LudwigVanQuixote
If you keep talking like that, your foreskin will fall off :)
Did ye like you the songs I sent?
Mi mamelakh shares her birthday with the singer.
| 256 |
brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:25:57pm |
re: #253 EmmmieG
You did know that today was National Cheesecake day, didn't you?
OMG you should have seen the line at Juniors!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:26:59pm |
re: #256 brookly red
OMG you should have seen the line at Juniors!
They're selling 60 cent slices today....
I think the plane ticket would buy a few $7.95 slices, so I'll just wait...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:28:06pm |
OK all... To all a good Shabbos. And Alouette... Your pies are awesome... That is why I made a chocolate babka thinking of you ;)
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:28:15pm |
re: #257 EmmmieG
They're selling 60 cent slices today...
I think the plane ticket would buy a few $7.95 slices, so I'll just wait...
order on line!
| 260 |
wrenchwench Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:28:38pm |
re: #252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
(Avatar ding)
You too. I like the cake better than the tattoo. That wasn't on an appendage of yours, was it?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:28:52pm |
re: #259 brookly red
order on line!
I taught my daughter to make cheesecake. I've been celebrating for three days now.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:28:57pm |
Un az der rebbe singt
dem hayligen nign,
bleybt der sotn
a toyter liegn.
Old Yiddish song.
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darthstar Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:30:00pm |
re: #258 LudwigVanQuixote
OK all... To all a good Shabbos. And Alouette... Your pies are awesome... That is why I made a chocolate babka thinking of you ;)
Oh...and happy National Cheesecake Day, by the way...I just didn't have time to make on in honor of this day.
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:30:03pm |
re: #261 EmmmieG
I taught my daughter to make cheesecake. I've been celebrating for three days now.
do you know the Italian cheese cake made from ricotta?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:30:45pm |
re: #264 brookly red
do you know the Italian cheese cake made from ricotta?
She was doing all sorts of research last night and telling me about it.
| 266 |
albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:30:55pm |
re: #250 EmmmieG
I just sewed a life patch on a uniform.
good times for me til the very end...my demise was ugly...during a rope hike after dark at winter camp...we were exhausted and climbing a long set of log stairs back to our cabins...I was at the end, the anchor...the leaders son had been harassing me for weeks and I finally snapped...he wad directly ahead of me, I yanked the rope with all my might and he came back down the steps out of balance and I hit him in the mouth...knocked him out cold and a couple of teeth as well...even after explaining myself in the face of this kids lies, I was sent packing to my bunk, missing the festivities and the excitement of the lost teeth...hours later I slipped out, grabbed my gear and split the camp....I walked almost 30 miles before I called my dad to bail me out with a ride...the BSA was over for me
| 267 |
Donna Ballard Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:31:25pm |
I just wanted to say "Hi Guys and Gals!" I did some lurking some dinging and now, I gotta go! Keep Laughing Everyone! ;)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:31:44pm |
re: #248 LudwigVanQuixote
If you keep talking like that, your foreskin will fall off :)
I want my 5 inches back!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:32:28pm |
re: #266 albusteve
good times for me til the very end...my demise was ugly...during a rope hike after dark at winter camp...we were exhausted and climbing a long set of log stairs back to our cabins...I was at the end, the anchor...the leaders son had been harassing me for weeks and I finally snapped...he wad directly ahead of me, I yanked the rope with all my might and he came back down the steps out of balance and I hit him in the mouth...knocked him out cold and a couple of teeth as well...even after explaining myself in the face of this kids lies, I was sent packing to my bunk, missing the festivities and the excitement of the lost teeth...hours later I slipped out, grabbed my gear and split the camp...I walked almost 30 miles before I called my dad to bail me out with a ride...the BSA was over for me
Sorry to hear it. Wonder if the kid learned anything.
| 270 |
albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:33:07pm |
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Donna Ballard Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:33:34pm |
re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I want my 5 inches back!
I just can't resist! LOL! And to Quote Mandy: IN BED!
Now I really have to go! See Ya!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:34:23pm |
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robdouth Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:35:07pm |
re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I want my 5 inches back!
I guess a foreskin went a lot further back then. Damn penis inflation.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:35:10pm |
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darthstar Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:36:31pm |
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:36:37pm |
re: #272 EmmmieG
That I am very sorry to hear.
so was I...he had an older brother that was crippled in VN as well...sad story
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:37:54pm |
re: #275 darthstar
If I can't blame it on that, then I have to go with the old stand by..
I had Small Cox as a child.
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Four More Tears Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:40:14pm |
*sigh* I just had someone use a debit card for $3.99. I feel so old-fashioned.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:42:04pm |
re: #228 robdouth
Yeah but calls for this "season", year, cycle is worse than any other, happen every cycle. Look at elections from the 1800's. The rhetoric in some papers is ghastly. Each year there are calls for civilizing the discourse, but each generation does it the same way with just new ways to insult or bring down the opposition. It's what happens in a thriving democracy when people have the freedom to say whatever they want and usually will.
The public and anonymous voice granted every user of the rapidly growing internet has been a magnifying factor. Insanity has never before had such an incredibly efficient echo-chamber feedback loop.
There is some cultural evolution that needs to take place here. Since access to the internet has really relatively recently become available to the vast majority of Americans, we have barely started the process of acculturating to it.
The nature of modern mass communications is to magnify, insulate, and reinforce every cultural sub-group, simultaneously. From an anthropological perspective, it is both fascinating to watch, and terrifying to contemplate the future consequences.
The time we live in, now, the dawn of the information age, will be looked back at in 1000 years as a much bigger deal historically than the invention of the printing press.
I don't think most people fully appreciate the magnitude of what is unfolding in front of us. This is a massive cultural paradigm shift, the likes of which hasn't happened for a long time.
| 280 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:42:27pm |
There's a mighty herd of red-eyed cows a-runnin' up the sky, as we speak.
I think I must go for hatches to batten down.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:42:34pm |
re: #278 JasonA
Right now I have two bucks in cash. About two bucks more than I normally carry (not counting the ash-tray of my car).
You're stuck with it. It is the new reality.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:43:58pm |
re: #258 LudwigVanQuixote
OK all... To all a good Shabbos. And Alouette... Your pies are awesome... That is why I made a chocolate babka thinking of you ;)
See you tomorrow night!
| 284 |
Fozzie Bear Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:44:01pm |
re: #282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Translation: it's going to rain.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:44:07pm |
re: #281 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Right now I have two bucks in cash. About two bucks more than I normally carry (not counting the ash-tray of my car).
You're stuck with it. It is the new reality.
Cash?
I believe I heard a song by him once.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:44:11pm |
Interesting. The entire ADL press center is now down, their website is up but the press center is down, you can no longer access any of their press releases, including one the regarding the Park51 project. Retcon may be imminent.
| 287 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:44:22pm |
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wrenchwench Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:46:09pm |
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:47:10pm |
re: #262 Cato the Elder
Old Yiddish song.
And as the rabbi sings
The holy melody
Satan becomes
A dying lie.
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Four More Tears Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:48:02pm |
re: #281 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Right now I have two bucks in cash. About two bucks more than I normally carry (not counting the ash-tray of my car).
You're stuck with it. It is the new reality.
And the CC companies couldn't be happier with it.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:48:17pm |
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:49:25pm |
Dirty French song (about a coy monk) for the evening:
Ah! Si mon moine voulait danser!
Ah! Si mon moine voulait danser!
Un capuchon je lui donnerais
Un capuchon je lui donnerais[Refrain]
Danse, mon moine danse!
Tu n'entends pas la danse
Tu n'entends pas mon moulin, lon la
Tu n'entends pas mon moulin marcher.Ah! Si mon moine voulait danser!
Ah! Si mon moine voulait danser!
Un ceinturon je lui donnerais
Un ceinturon je lui donnerais.Ah! Si mon moine voulait danser!
Ah! Si mon moine voulait danser!
Un chapelet je lui donnerais
Un chapelet je lui donnerais.Ah! Si mon moine voulait danser!
Ah! Si mon moine voulait danser!
Un froc de bur' je lui donnerais
Un froc de bur' je lui donnerais.Ah! Si mon moine voulait danser!
Ah! Si mon moine voulait danser!
Un beau psautier je lui donnerais
Un beau psautier je lui donnerais.S'il n'avait fait voeu de pauvreté
S'il n'avait fait voeu de pauvreté
Bien d'autres chose je lui donnerais
Bien d'autres chose je lui donnerais.
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Ojoe Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:49:26pm |
Tender deer meat dipped in melted cheese
Fawn fondu
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darthstar Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:50:38pm |
re: #293 Ojoe
Tender deer meat dipped in melted cheese
Fawn fondu
Just got my X5 back today after having the deer-dings taken out of it. Will have to drive faster and get some more tender morsels now. //
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palomino Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:51:03pm |
re: #177 Killgore Trout
The GOP will almost certainly pick up seats in Nov. They've lost the last two congressional elections--by a lot. Neither party has lost THREE in a row since the 1930s, when Dems built up majorities of 80%+.
Dems are currently overweight in Congress--too many seats from places that trend red.
This is good news for the gop, but it doesn't mean the party is healthy by any stretch.
| 296 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:51:05pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:53:08pm |
re: #290 JasonA
Yep... but it's what it is.
Just thinking of "The Dude" writing a check for one roll of toilet paper in "The Big Lebowski", 79 cents?
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Four More Tears Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:53:26pm |
re: #293 Ojoe
Tender deer meat dipped in melted cheese
Fawn fondu
I'm so tempted to try a Double Down tonight. I don't know why I thought of that...
| 300 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:53:42pm |
re: #295 palomino
They'll almost certainly pick up some seats but I think whatever gains they make are probably going to be fairly small. They are shooting themselves in the foot with all the nonsense these days.
| 301 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:55:32pm |
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Four More Tears Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:55:37pm |
re: #297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yep... but it's what it is.
Just thinking of "The Dude" writing a check for one roll of toilet paper in "The Big Lebowski", 79 cents?
Remember the old days, when checks used to bounce? Now it seems they let it go and charge you an extra $34...
| 304 |
Ojoe Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:56:26pm |
re: #300 Killgore Trout
I think the GOP will pick up many seats.
Just because there's "one alternative,"
and people are dissatisfied, not to say pissed off.
| 305 |
tradewind Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:56:32pm |
re: #299 JasonA
Our local KFC's running a special: limited time only, buy a double down meal deal, get a free defibrillator.//
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:56:34pm |
re: #295 palomino
The GOP will almost certainly pick up seats in Nov. They've lost the last two congressional elections--by a lot. Neither party has lost THREE in a row since the 1930s, when Dems built up majorities of 80%+.
Dems are currently overweight in Congress--too many seats from places that trend red.
This is good news for the gop, but it doesn't mean the party is healthy by any stretch.
In Florida, Kendrick Meek (currently D in the House) has a competitor of sorts, Jeff Greene. A nobody millionaire from somewhere who moved to FL a couple years ago. He started campaigning very clean, even had his mom on TV which I thought was impressive, but quickly changed to lies about Meek. Flat out lies and misleading statements.
Anyway, with Crook Rick Scott (R) running for FL Gov, it seems to be the year of the Unknown Sleazy Millionaires for us here.
| 307 |
brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:56:35pm |
re: #300 Killgore Trout
They'll almost certainly pick up some seats but I think whatever gains they make are probably going to be fairly small. They are shooting themselves in the foot with all the nonsense these days.
with all due respect Sir, I think that Main Street is much angrier than you suspect.
| 308 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:57:37pm |
re: #305 tradewind
Our local KFC's running a special: limited time only, buy a double down meal deal, get a free defibrillator.//
Pocket angioplasty kit.
| 309 |
brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:57:53pm |
re: #302 JasonA
Remember the old days, when checks used to bounce? Now it seems they let it go and charge you an extra $34...
I have Citi, free overdraft protection...
| 311 |
darthstar Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:58:43pm |
Breaking: Dickfuck Ben Nelson is going to vote against Elena Kagan.
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tradewind Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:59:06pm |
re: #307 brookly red
I think it's going to be a blowout. It's not that the Republicans are so loved.... far from it. It's that the independents and moderates who elected all the Democrats are really, really sick of 'em.
| 313 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:59:45pm |
re: #308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Pocket angioplasty kit.
I would prefer laparoscopic kits. I know what the fuck I'm doing.
| 315 |
Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:00:03pm |
re: #312 tradewind
I think it's going to be a blowout. It's not that the Republicans are so loved... far from it. It's that the independents and moderates who elected all the Democrats are really, really sick of 'em.
Just as they are sick of the R's pandering to the TP nuts.
It's more complicated then you make it out to be.
| 316 |
Ojoe Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:00:28pm |
re: #312 tradewind
I think it is going to be an epic political slaughter, not seen in living memory.
| 317 |
engineer cat Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:00:28pm |
re: #307 brookly red
with all due respect Sir, I think that Main Street is much angrier than you suspect.
we are all "main street", are we not?
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:00:52pm |
re: #311 darthstar
Breaking: Dickfuck Ben Nelson is going to vote against Elena Kagan.
What is this "dickfuck" calumny? You 'spect him to fuck with his gouty toe?
| 319 |
albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:01:42pm |
re: #318 Cato the Elder
What is this "dickfuck" calumny? You 'spect him to fuck with his gouty toe?
dickfuck...means he's for sale
| 320 |
darthstar Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:01:46pm |
| 321 |
engineer cat Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:01:50pm |
re midterms: i have my own Iron Rule Of Predictions
whatever you predict, that's what's not going to happen
| 322 |
tradewind Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:02:26pm |
re: #311 darthstar
Are you twelve?
It's the only possible explanation for calling a senator exercising his right to consent or not a ' dickf--k '.
| 323 |
brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:02:42pm |
re: #312 tradewind
I think it's going to be a blowout. It's not that the Republicans are so loved... far from it. It's that the independents and moderates who elected all the Democrats are really, really sick of 'em.
buyers remorse is a bitch... 17 million, repeat 17 million, unemployed is damn near a revolution. It is going to be an anti-incumbent bloodbath and any one that thinks otherwise is on a mellow I can't wait to harsh.
| 324 |
brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:03:23pm |
| 325 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:03:30pm |
re: #316 Ojoe
My Congressman is Bob Goodlatte. I've met Bob and like him. He is so popular that the Democrats could not get anyone to run against him.
I absolutely refuse to vote for an incumbent, so, I am voting for a kid that I know who is running against him (TeaParty guy).
TP guy's gonna get slaughtered, but, I am not voting for anyone who currently has a seat in Government.
| 326 |
darthstar Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:03:40pm |
re: #318 Cato the Elder
What is this "dickfuck" calumny? You 'spect him to fuck with his gouty toe?
Okay...that was an awkward term, I'll admit.
| 327 |
webevintage Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:03:44pm |
I need help.
I read a book awhile ago that I loved and wanted to download to read again BUT I cannot remember the name.
Grumpy and mysterious woman is manager in Paris apartment building of well off family, pe-teen daughter of one befriends her, Chinese (?) man moves in.
Ring any bells?
| 328 |
Ojoe Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:03:59pm |
re: #321 engineer dog
Well except if I predict the Yankees will win & someone else predicts the Dodgers will win ...
some space aliens will take the World Series.
| 329 |
Eclectic Infidel Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:04:40pm |
3 hikers held in Iran are getting air time right now. The President called their detention "unjust", and releasing them is a "humanitarian imperative."
Plus...in 2007, 6.5 million Californians were without health insurance.
| 330 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:04:43pm |
| 331 |
darthstar Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:04:50pm |
re: #322 tradewind
Are you twelve?
It's the only possible explanation for calling a senator exercising his right to consent or not a ' dickf--k '.
"dickf--k"? Are you afraid you're not going to get into heaven if you spell out the word 'fuck'? Newsflash: You're not getting in. Nobody is.
| 332 |
engineer cat Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:05:28pm |
| 333 |
brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:05:28pm |
re: #328 Ojoe
Well except if I predict the Yankees will win & someone else predicts the Dodgers will win ...
some space aliens will take the World Series.
wrong comrade, all teams will score equally...
| 334 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:05:31pm |
re: #326 darthstar
Okay...that was an awkward term, I'll admit.
If all who fucked with their dicks were guilty, who should 'scape hanging?
| 335 |
tradewind Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:05:38pm |
re: #315 Varek Raith
The majority of the voters , not being as up on the vagaries of the evil right wing as are we here, don't really think ' Republican=Tea Party ', although that strategery is the one the Dems have decided to shoot for.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:05:42pm |
re: #331 darthstar
"dickf--k"? Are you afraid you're not going to get into heaven if you spell out the word 'fuck'? Newsflash: You're not getting in. Nobody is.
don't fall over
| 337 |
brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:06:51pm |
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:06:53pm |
Heh.
Harry Reid was sure to lose.
Then the R's nominated the TP nut.
Now?
Lol.
| 339 |
engineer cat Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:07:03pm |
re: #328 Ojoe
Well except if I predict the Yankees will win & someone else predicts the Dodgers will win ...
some space aliens will take the World Series.
so you've seen my sports website!
| 340 |
Ojoe Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:07:37pm |
re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Good for you. I am almost to the point of also vowing to never ever to vote for either a Democrat or a Republican, and certainly not an incumbent on any but the local level.
I might write in "Ojoe" until the Whigs get large enough to field some candidates.
| 341 |
brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:07:42pm |
re: #338 Varek Raith
Heh.
Harry Reid was sure to lose.
Then the R's nominated the TP nut.
Now?
Lol.
I cancelled my NRA membership over that.
| 342 |
darthstar Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:08:07pm |
re: #334 Cato the Elder
If all who fucked with their dicks were guilty, who should 'scape hanging?
A hanging dick knows no fucking.
| 344 |
albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:08:20pm |
re: #338 Varek Raith
Heh.
Harry Reid was sure to lose.
Then the R's nominated the TP nut.
Now?
Lol.
Harry is a millionaire...the losers are the American people, stupid, gullible, happy go lucky rubes
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:08:35pm |
re: #334 Cato the Elder
If all who fucked with their dicks were guilty, who should 'scape hanging?
the French
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:08:47pm |
re: #344 albusteve
Harry is a millionaire...the losers are the American people, stupid, gullible, happy go lucky rubes
Yep.
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tradewind Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:10:04pm |
re: #327 webevintage
Sounds like it could be The Elegance of the Hedgehog.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:10:15pm |
re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My Congressman is Bob Goodlatte. I've met Bob and like him. He is so popular that the Democrats could not get anyone to run against him.
I absolutely refuse to vote for an incumbent, so, I am voting for a kid that I know who is running against him (TeaParty guy).
TP guy's gonna get slaughtered, but, I am not voting for anyone who currently has a seat in Government.
Why would you do that? Don't you want someone with some experience? not all of Congress is corrupt. I know a lot of politicians who aren't.
The Rs will pick up a few seats, but we'll keep the Congress. Not a problem.
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engineer cat Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:10:49pm |
re: #337 brookly red
we are being fed class warfare... it no taste good.
well, seriously, here's the thing: i have a job and a mortgage, and even my own little company, yet, because i am a progressive and live in california, i get told that i am not "mainstream america" or that the "heartland", someplace that i'm not, is the "real" america
well, to hell with that! i am just as much joe blow america or main street as anybody else, no matter how much organic goat cheese i eat!
(makes rude noise)
| 350 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:11:07pm |
Okay, kiddies. I gotta git.
Friend of mine from years ago is the lead singer of a band in Richmond. I am in town and going to see her tonight.
Y'all wish me luck.
It might be awful.
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tradewind Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:11:33pm |
re: #347 tradewind
PIMF, didn't meant to encase ' it could be ' in italics.
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darthstar Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:11:41pm |
okay...I'm off to the city to see the Dodgers/Giants. Have a good evening, everyone.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:11:49pm |
re: #348 marjoriemoon
Cause it won't matter, and I promised myself I would not vote for an incumbent.
| 354 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:12:44pm |
re: #353 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Cause it won't matter, and I promised myself I would not vote for an incumbent.
No! Don't be cynical. Your vote's important. Really, think about it.
Have fun :)
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palomino Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:12:59pm |
re: #316 Ojoe
I think it is going to be an epic political slaughter, not seen in living memory.
You don't remember 1994? You think 2010 will dwarf that?
The mistake the gop is likely to make after picking up seats is seeing it as validation of Palinism and teabaggery, and then doubling down on such craziness.
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Four More Tears Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:13:12pm |
re: #330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Gout. Eew. Not funny, that.
Hurts like a mutha.
Makes you wonder how much worse off you'd be if the foot were just gone...
| 357 |
albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:14:28pm |
re: #356 JasonA
Makes you wonder how much worse off you'd be if the foot were just gone...
I consider that every day
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webevintage Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:14:34pm |
re: #347 tradewind
Sounds like it could be The Elegance of the Hedgehog.
Thank you!
That is it.
Of course it is not available for download on Amazon.
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:15:17pm |
re: #358 webevintage
Thank you!
That is it.Of course it is not available for download on Amazon.
It's a law of the Universe.
Sorry.
:)
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Ojoe Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:15:23pm |
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:15:48pm |
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Ojoe Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:16:40pm |
re: #355 palomino
The mistake the gop is likely to make after picking up seats is seeing it as validation of Palinism and teabaggery, and then doubling down on such craziness.
I,m afraid that is what will happen too.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:16:44pm |
Evenin', fellow lizards. What's the good word?
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:17:02pm |
I gotta go heat up the leftovers from Gino's...
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Targetpractice Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:18:02pm |
re: #362 Ojoe
I,m afraid that is what will happen too.
I'm holding out a bit of hope that the final breakdown makes pushing such a "mandate" difficult, if not impossible.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:18:32pm |
re: #366 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm holding out a bit of hope that the final breakdown makes pushing such a "mandate" difficult, if not impossible.
CRISIS!
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:19:07pm |
re: #354 marjoriemoon
No! Don't be cynical. Your vote's important. Really, think about it.
Have fun :)
well voting out incumbents is not cynical at all... it is the true hope & change
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bratwurst Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:19:10pm |
re: #316 Ojoe
I think it is going to be an epic political slaughter, not seen in living memory.
You WERE alive in 1994, right?
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:19:18pm |
re: #362 Ojoe
I,m afraid that is what will happen too.
That's the thing.
They may make short term gains, but longterm, they're in deep shit.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:19:26pm |
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:20:07pm |
re: #372 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Damn good game...oh wait, Crisis, not Crysis. My mistake.
/
Did your PC meltdown trying to play it a max settings?
/
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:20:22pm |
re: #360 Ojoe
You might like the Modern Whigs.
OK I'll stop...
Unfortunately "fiscal responsibility" to conservatives usually means no or limited social programs, most of which effect those living in poverty, women and/or children.
Breaking News: Dems don't like to pay taxes, either, but we're willing to pay for things that better our communities and maybe one day will be there to benefit us particularly.
I'm all for fiscal responsibility, and I think it can be done without cutting important programs.
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Ojoe Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:21:12pm |
re: #374 marjoriemoon
I think it can be done without cutting important programs too.
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engineer cat Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:21:19pm |
re: #355 palomino
You don't remember 1994? You think 2010 will dwarf that?
The mistake the gop is likely to make after picking up seats is seeing it as validation of Palinism and teabaggery, and then doubling down on such craziness.
the mind of the right wing works in such a way that anything that happens will be interpreted by them as validation of their point of view, even if they actually lose seats
if that happened, they would just interpret it as proof that kenyan muslim socialist government has corrupted the political process...
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brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:21:24pm |
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:21:51pm |
re: #371 Varek Raith
That's the thing.
They may make short term gains, but longterm, they're in deep shit.
who gives a fuck about them?....the people are in deep shit caused by the feds...I'm number 1 around my place...let's see them get us out of this mess they've handed us
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:21:58pm |
re: #377 engineer dog
the mind of the right wing works in such a way that anything that happens will be interpreted by them as validation of their point of view, even if they actually lose seats
if that happened, they would just interpret it as proof that kenyan muslim socialist government has corrupted the political process...
ACORN GOND STOLED TEH LECSHUN!
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BryanS Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:22:05pm |
re: #374 marjoriemoon
Unfortunately "fiscal responsibility" to conservatives usually means no or limited social programs, most of which effect those living in poverty, women and/or children.
Breaking News: Dems don't like to pay taxes, either, but we're willing to pay for things that better our communities and maybe one day will be there to benefit us particularly.
I'm all for fiscal responsibility, and I think it can be done without cutting important programs.
We'll only get fiscal responsibility with divided power. Worked for the Clinton years.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:22:40pm |
re: #374 marjoriemoon
Unfortunately "fiscal responsibility" to conservatives usually means no or limited social programs, most of which effect those living in poverty, women and/or children.
Breaking News: Dems don't like to pay taxes, either, but we're willing to pay for things that better our communities and maybe one day will be there to benefit us particularly.
I'm all for fiscal responsibility, and I think it can be done without cutting important programs.
ahahahaha!
hohohoho!
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Targetpractice Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:22:49pm |
re: #373 Varek Raith
Did your PC meltdown trying to play it a max settings?
/
My video card started belching magic smoke.
/
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Ojoe Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:23:05pm |
re: #374 marjoriemoon
& I think the Whigs are not conservative, instead centrist.
& Conservative won't fly at the moment with the GOP voting not to extend unemployment benefits and similar nonsense.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:23:07pm |
Signing off now for the Sabbath. Zedushka sampled the Southern Chess Pie and said it was awesome!
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:23:17pm |
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tradewind Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:23:32pm |
re: #349 engineer dog
Well...... Californians can be a little out there...
:)
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
/Don't start. I love CA./
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Ojoe Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:24:08pm |
re: #377 engineer dog
the mind of the right wing works in such a way that anything that happens will be interpreted by them as validation of their point of view, even if they actually lose seats
if that happened, they would just interpret it as proof that kenyan muslim socialist government has corrupted the political process...
Yeah, it's really depressing.
| 389 |
Targetpractice Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:24:42pm |
re: #374 marjoriemoon
Unfortunately "fiscal responsibility" to conservatives usually means no or limited social programs, most of which effect those living in poverty, women and/or children.
Breaking News: Dems don't like to pay taxes, either, but we're willing to pay for things that better our communities and maybe one day will be there to benefit us particularly.
I'm all for fiscal responsibility, and I think it can be done without cutting important programs.
Well first, one has define "cut" in terms of fiscal responsibility. Would you agree that social spending, if it can be made more efficient and stream-lined, can see its budget "cut" and still maintain the same level of service?
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:24:43pm |
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bratwurst Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:24:53pm |
re: #375 Ojoe
Since 1950 in fact.
1994 was a net gain of 54 seats in the House for the GOP. Are you really going on record predicting that the GOP will do measurably better this time around?
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engineer cat Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:25:32pm |
re: #385 Alouette
Signing off now for the Sabbath. Zedushka sampled the Southern Chess Pie and said it was awesome!
gut shabbos!
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tradewind Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:25:34pm |
re: #374 marjoriemoon
Breaking News: Dems don't like to pay taxes, either, but we're willing to pay for things that better our communities
Senator Kerry, is that you? /cough/
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:25:42pm |
re: #390 albusteve
fiscal responsibility?
hahahaha!
It's a myth.
Just like small government.
And Enterprise...
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Ojoe Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:25:43pm |
re: #391 bratwurst
I think so. people are furious at the economy.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:25:44pm |
re: #307 brookly red
with all due respect Sir, I think that Main Street is much angrier than you suspect.
No, America is not angry. Remember when 100's of thousands would show up to antiwar war demonstrations during the Bush years? That was an angry America. The Tea Parties can't get more than a few thousand to show up in DC to protest Obama's policies such as healthcare reform, bailouts, stimulus, etc. His approval numbers are still around 45-50. America might be frustrated but they are not angry.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:26:19pm |
re: #394 Varek Raith
It's a myth.
Just like small government.
And Enterprise...
Little Green Comedy Central
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BryanS Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:26:46pm |
re: #389 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Well first, one has define "cut" in terms of fiscal responsibility. Would you agree that social spending, if it can be made more efficient and stream-lined, can see its budget "cut" and still maintain the same level of service?
How about means testing social security benefits? If I retire rich as stink, I won't need it anyway. But if my fortunes turn out bad I want it there.
| 399 |
tradewind Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:26:56pm |
re: #391 bratwurst
If the GOP had laid out some sort of a plan, a' la Contract, they might have done just that. As it stands, nope.
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:27:01pm |
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BryanS Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:27:46pm |
re: #391 bratwurst
1994 was a net gain of 54 seats in the House for the GOP. Are you really going on record predicting that the GOP will do measurably better this time around?
I wouldn't net my life on any political outcome. But is it possible? I think so.
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Ojoe Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:27:59pm |
re: #396 Killgore Trout
"economy" is deeper than "anti-war", though "anti-war" is louder, IMHO.
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palomino Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:28:06pm |
re: #367 Ojoe
And yes 2010 will dwarf that.
In 1994, the gop picked up 54 house seats and 8 senate seats. If the gop "dwarfs" those results in Nov, they will then have both houses, with a majority in the House bigger than what they had from 2000-2006. Possible, but not likely. For one thing, we don't have 1994's electorate any longer; demographically, it's quite different, mostly in ways that don't favor the gop.
The gop's main problem is that they aren't really growing their base; if anything, they're shrinking it. Instead of finding ways to appeal to minority voters, they're finding new ways to alienate them.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:28:42pm |
re: #396 Killgore Trout
No, America is not angry. Remember when 100's of thousands would show up to antiwar war demonstrations during the Bush years? That was an angry America. The Tea Parties can't get more than a few thousand to show up in DC to protest Obama's policies such as healthcare reform, bailouts, stimulus, etc. His approval numbers are still around 45-50. America might be frustrated but they are not angry.
consider the average conservative does not align with the TP?
beyond your realm of imagination?
remember Nixons silent majority in 68?
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Targetpractice Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:28:56pm |
re: #398 BryanS
How about means testing social security benefits? If I retire rich as stink, I won't need it anyway. But if my fortunes turn out bad I want it there.
That's the sort of thing I'm gettin' at. There are ways of making social programs funding stretch, of making every dollar matter, that could allow us to reduce spending while maintaining the same level of service. Of course, that doesn't look good on as a campaign slogan ("Getting the most bang while cutting spending"), so I'm not gettin' my hopes up.
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tradewind Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:29:02pm |
re: #396 Killgore Trout
More than angry, the electorate is frightened of democratic rule . POTUS' approval numbers continue to go south.
Even Harry Reid's short-lived lead's disappeared, and that's with a weak opponent.
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palomino Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:29:17pm |
re: #380 Varek Raith
ACORN GOND STOLED TEH LECSHUN!
The only reason we don't hear more of that is that the results weren't close.
| 408 |
Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:29:22pm |
Politics is much easier to stomach if you just laugh at it.
Otherwise, you get ulcers.
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Varek Raith Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:30:04pm |
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:30:14pm |
re: #369 brookly red
well voting out incumbents is not cynical at all... it is the true hope & change
Well as a Democrat, you should have understood what all that Hope and Change was about. Mostly in education, healthcare and the economy. We've started out on all three.
Sitting Democrats have been trying to push through these things, i.e. fighting against cuts in education during the Bush years so if we make some progress there, it is a change and a good one.
Maybe instead we should keep up with 8 years of failed Bush policies. No Child Left Behind, Faith-Based Initiatives, that went no where. No support on healthcare or immigration. $9 trillion deficit funding 2 wars. Blech...
Or maybe it's just that when the Republicans want change, then it's all good.
Uh huh, I get it.
| 413 |
A Man for all Seasons Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:30:15pm |
Good evening Lizards!
Hope everyone is well..Long Friday here...I had apple baked Salmon for lunch...The best ever!
| 414 |
albusteve Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:30:29pm |
| 415 |
Ojoe Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:30:40pm |
| 416 |
BryanS Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:30:40pm |
re: #405 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That's the sort of thing I'm gettin' at. There are ways of making social programs funding stretch, of making every dollar matter, that could allow us to reduce spending while maintaining the same level of service. Of course, that doesn't look good on as a campaign slogan ("Getting the most bang while cutting spending"), so I'm not gettin' my hopes up.
No. And actually, the Dems in office are fairly resistant to means testing ideas because they fear social security will then be viewed as a welfare program--and it is--rather than a retirement program.
| 417 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:31:03pm |
re: #302 JasonA
Remember the old days, when checks used to bounce? Now it seems they let it go and charge you an extra $34...
Lucky sonofabitch.
My "bank" charges me $37 dollars if I miscalculate and my "balance" goes under zero. Even by $0.01.
As of August 13, the "banks" are supposed to give you the choice between letting your overdraft for a fucking hotdog go through (earning them a "convenience" charge (read usury) of $30+) or declining the purchase.
And guess what? Every time I call my "bank" to get my "balance", they interrupt that program to offer my the choice.
"If you want to keep getting reamed up the ass for $37 every time you don't have the cash: press 1. If you have any any questions, please call (spoken quickly so you can't write it down) 1-800-FUCKMEPLEASE or go online to fuckmeplease.com so you can decline to be further fucked."
The "banks" HATE these new regulations from the goddamn Obama socialist régime.
I'm cryin'.
| 418 |
Targetpractice Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:31:22pm |
re: #403 palomino
In 1994, the gop picked up 54 house seats and 8 senate seats. If the gop "dwarfs" those results in Nov, they will then have both houses, with a majority in the House bigger than what they had from 2000-2006. Possible, but not likely. For one thing, we don't have 1994's electorate any longer; demographically, it's quite different, mostly in ways that don't favor the gop.
The gop's main problem is that they aren't really growing their base; if anything, they're shrinking it. Instead of finding ways to appeal to minority voters, they're finding new ways to alienate them.
Ayep. The "white, male, social conservative" vote is slowly going the way of disco. The GOP as a party needs to get with the times or it's gonna find itself continuing to be marginalized, with occasional spurts of success as the Dems run into this crisis or that.
| 419 |
brookly red Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:31:47pm |
re: #396 Killgore Trout
No, America is not angry. Remember when 100's of thousands would show up to antiwar war demonstrations during the Bush years? That was an angry America. The Tea Parties can't get more than a few thousand to show up in DC to protest Obama's policies such as healthcare reform, bailouts, stimulus, etc. His approval numbers are still around 45-50. America might be frustrated but they are not angry.
a Danish expression: Those that live shall see. I don't wanna argue with you KT but hey, here I am in NYC the belly of the blue beast & all I see is anger, real f'n anger...people feel they have been lied to & they are pissed. Big time.
| 420 |
palomino Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:32:21pm |
re: #374 marjoriemoon
Unfortunately "fiscal responsibility" to conservatives usually means no or limited social programs, most of which effect those living in poverty, women and/or children.
Breaking News: Dems don't like to pay taxes, either, but we're willing to pay for things that better our communities and maybe one day will be there to benefit us particularly.
I'm all for fiscal responsibility, and I think it can be done without cutting important programs.
I wish I could agree. We gotta make some big cuts. Even if we return to the Clinton tax rates, that only makes up for a relatively small amount of the deficits we've been running. Nobody wants to say it: but SS, Medicare, the military--that's well over half the budget, and something's gotta give.
| 422 |
Ojoe Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:33:48pm |
re: #419 brookly red
a Danish expression: Those that live shall see. I don't wanna argue with you KT but hey, here I am in NYC the belly of the blue beast & all I see is anger, real f'n anger...people feel they have been lied to & they are pissed. Big time.
I see the same out in California.
BBL
| 423 |
BryanS Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:34:07pm |
re: #417 Cato the Elder
Lucky sonofabitch.
My "bank" charges me $37 dollars if I miscalculate and my "balance" goes under zero. Even by $0.01.
As of August 13, the "banks" are supposed to give you the choice between letting your overdraft for a fucking hotdog go through (earning them a "convenience" charge (read usury) of $30+) or declining the purchase.
And guess what? Every time I call my "bank" to get my "balance", they interrupt that program to offer my the choice.
"If you want to keep getting reamed up the ass for $37 every time you don't have the cash: press 1. If you have any any questions, please call (spoken quickly so you can't write it down) 1-800-FUCKMEPLEASE or go online to fuckmeplease.com so you can decline to be further fucked."
The "banks" HATE these new regulations from the goddamn Obama socialist régime.
I'm cryin'.
[Video]
That's why I go with credit union. Free overdraft protection into a line of credit that charges a 10% annual interest rate, no minimum charges.
The banking industry insiders call if "fee checking" for a reason.
| 424 |
Stonemason Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:34:32pm |
re: #396 Killgore Trout
No, America is not angry. Remember when 100's of thousands would show up to antiwar war demonstrations during the Bush years? That was an angry America. The Tea Parties can't get more than a few thousand to show up in DC to protest Obama's policies such as healthcare reform, bailouts, stimulus, etc. His approval numbers are still around 45-50. America might be frustrated but they are not angry.
I have seen this a couple of times now and it confuses me. The TP is the end of the Republican party, so strong that it will drive it into the dirt, so many republicans are TP'ers...on and on. Now you claim it is a small movement.
At the same time, when ever I bring up all the left wing fringers that protested Bush and helped change congress/elect Obama, I am told that there really were not that many of them, yet here you say there were hundreds of thousands at marches.
Now, I know that you personally, are not the one who says (types) these things to me, you just happened to present the exact opposite of what many have posted here.
Hence my confusion. Is the TP meaningful or not? Were the fringe lefties meaningful or not?
| 425 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:34:50pm |
re: #422 Ojoe
I see the same out in California.
BBL
I see dumb people everywhere I go.
Call it a sixth sense.
| 427 |
Eclectic Infidel Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:35:18pm |
re: #331 darthstar
"dickf--k"? Are you afraid you're not going to get into heaven if you spell out the word 'fuck'? Newsflash: You're not getting in. Nobody is.
Well, I wouldn't mind scoring some ringside tickets to Valhalla. Just sayin'.
| 428 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:35:38pm |
re: #389 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Well first, one has define "cut" in terms of fiscal responsibility. Would you agree that social spending, if it can be made more efficient and stream-lined, can see its budget "cut" and still maintain the same level of service?
The firm I work for sponsors an innercity school for new immigrant parents and kids. We do parties for the kids, school supply drives, that kind of thing.
Anyway, the school director has had trouble with funding through these last two Rep administrations. She exists because of grants and private donations.
| 430 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:36:51pm |
re: #406 tradewind
More than angry, the electorate is frightened of democratic rule . POTUS' approval numbers continue to go south.
Even Harry Reid's short-lived lead's disappeared, and that's with a weak opponent.
Did you forget a sarc tag?
How's the weather on Pluto?
| 431 |
palomino Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:38:43pm |
re: #418 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ayep. The "white, male, social conservative" vote is slowly going the way of disco. The GOP as a party needs to get with the times or it's gonna find itself continuing to be marginalized, with occasional spurts of success as the Dems run into this crisis or that.
If the 2008 election had been held with the 1980 election's demographics, McCain would have won. That's the difference between an electorate that's 90% white and one that's 74% white.
The gop doesn't seem to get this, or the fact that the 74% figure from 2008 will never be that high again.
| 432 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:38:45pm |
re: #416 BryanS
No. And actually, the Dems in office are fairly resistant to means testing ideas because they fear social security will then be viewed as a welfare program--and it is--rather than a retirement program.
Social security is not welfare. You pay it with ever check you take home. It's not the government's dole.
| 433 |
BryanS Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:41:31pm |
re: #432 marjoriemoon
Social security is not welfare. You pay it with ever check you take home. It's not the government's dole.
Not exactly. Already the benefits formula skews toward not being directly proportional to the amount of taxes paid in. It very much is a welfare program. I'm glad it's there, but as a retirement program it sucks. As a welfare program to keep the elderly out of poverty, it's great.
| 434 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:41:31pm |
re: #420 palomino
I wish I could agree. We gotta make some big cuts. Even if we return to the Clinton tax rates, that only makes up for a relatively small amount of the deficits we've been running. Nobody wants to say it: but SS, Medicare, the military--that's well over half the budget, and something's gotta give.
Neither of those three can be touched. Where there's a will there's a way.
I'm a believer :)
| 435 |
prairiefire Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:41:40pm |
re: #406 tradewind
More than angry, the electorate is frightened of democratic rule . POTUS' approval numbers continue to go south.
Even Harry Reid's short-lived lead's disappeared, and that's with a weak opponent.
Do you have a link for Harry's falling poll numbers?
Also, Frank Newport says not to hyperventilate About Obama's numbers:[Link: pollingmatters.gallup.com...]
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Targetpractice Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:44:11pm |
re: #428 marjoriemoon
The firm I work for sponsors an innercity school for new immigrant parents and kids. We do parties for the kids, school supply drives, that kind of thing.
Anyway, the school director has had trouble with funding through these last two Rep administrations. She exists because of grants and private donations.
So you wouldn't agree that there is waste and duplication of programs that could be done away with and that spending either put into programs truly in need of it or simply cut altogether?
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palomino Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:44:29pm |
re: #424 Stonemason
I have seen this a couple of times now and it confuses me. The TP is the end of the Republican party, so strong that it will drive it into the dirt, so many republicans are TP'ers...on and on. Now you claim it is a small movement.
At the same time, when ever I bring up all the left wing fringers that protested Bush and helped change congress/elect Obama, I am told that there really were not that many of them, yet here you say there were hundreds of thousands at marches.Now, I know that you personally, are not the one who says (types) these things to me, you just happened to present the exact opposite of what many have posted here.
Hence my confusion. Is the TP meaningful or not? Were the fringe lefties meaningful or not?
Code Pink is fringe. But all people who walk in anti-war rallies? Not necessarily.
But I think KT might have slipped in minimizing the TP. There are a lot of angry white right-leaning populists out there--angry over the economy, angry over losing the elections of 2006 and 2008, angry about rapid cultural changes, and angry that Obama is, uh, not a citizen.
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tradewind Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:46:20pm |
re: #435 prairiefire
re: #430 Killgore Trout
I didn't realize that Politico reported from Pluto.
[Link: politicalwire.com...]
From today's headline, ' Dead Heat in NV '.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:46:42pm |
re: #433 BryanS
Not exactly. Already the benefits formula skews toward not being directly proportional to the amount of taxes paid in. It very much is a welfare program. I'm glad it's there, but as a retirement program it sucks. As a welfare program to keep the elderly out of poverty, it's great.
People actually do live on social security, like $1000 a month. It's poverty level. Imagine, sick and old and all you have is $1000 a month. Why the elderly sometimes live together, but won't marry.
And as bad as that is, without it, they'd be dead or slowly dying in state rest home? What's that gonna cost us.
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palomino Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:47:55pm |
re: #434 marjoriemoon
Neither of those three can be touched. Where there's a will there's a way.
I'm a believer :)
Hey, I love the Monkees too, but we gotta make cuts to (at least some of) those programs eventually. Tax hikes and other spending cuts alone won't do the job, which is why nobody in Congress acts really serious about the deficit.
I guess we'll just wait for a more urgent crisis, like we often do.
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BryanS Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:49:13pm |
re: #438 tradewind
re: #430 Killgore Trout
I didn't realize that Politico reported from Pluto.
[Link: politicalwire.com...]
From today's headline, ' Dead Heat in NV '.
Reid is hoping to trash Angle --deserved though it may be--rather than run on his own merits. He's not doing to great. If the Repubs weren't retarded, they wouldn't have nominated someone as fringey as Angle.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:50:06pm |
re: #436 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
So you wouldn't agree that there is waste and duplication of programs that could be done away with and that spending either put into programs truly in need of it or simply cut altogether?
I don't agree. I've seen too many helpful education programs cut in my state to say that there is some way to do it effectively. They need more money, in fact, not less.
Another helpful program cut by Jeb Bush as Gov was the girl's PACE program which took at-risk girls and taught them in a private school setting. The majority, some 80% went on to college or trade school. It kept problem kids off the street and made them functioning members of society. It was cut. What duplication of services?
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tradewind Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:50:41pm |
re: #435 prairiefire
Today's Las Vegas Review Journalre: #430 Killgore Trout
PIMF, local Las Vegas Review Journal. Still not Pluto, despite proximity to Area 51.//
.
[Link: www.lvrj.com...]
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BryanS Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:50:45pm |
re: #439 marjoriemoon
People actually do live on social security, like $1000 a month. It's poverty level. Imagine, sick and old and all you have is $1000 a month. Why the elderly sometimes live together, but won't marry.
And as bad as that is, without it, they'd be dead or slowly dying in state rest home? What's that gonna cost us.
And? You're not saying anything I disagree with. My point still stands--it is a welfare program. Why is that a bad thing to you?
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:51:03pm |
re: #440 palomino
I thought Clinton did it with tax cuts on the rich and not on the middle class.
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tradewind Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:51:28pm |
re: #441 BryanS
They shoulda nominated the other woman. She'd be ten pts up.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:53:26pm |
re: #442 marjoriemoon
I don't agree. I've seen too many helpful education programs cut in my state to say that there is some way to do it effectively. They need more money, in fact, not less.
Another helpful program cut by Jeb Bush as Gov was the girl's PACE program which took at-risk girls and taught them in a private school setting. The majority, some 80% went on to college or trade school. It kept problem kids off the street and made them functioning members of society. It was cut. What duplication of services?
So, what would you suggest as the solution? New/higher taxes? Cutting spending elsewhere? Something's gotta give, and if working to make social spending dollars go farther is not it, then the burden has to carried elsewhere.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:53:29pm |
re: #444 BryanS
And? You're not saying anything I disagree with. My point still stands--it is a welfare program. Why is that a bad thing to you?
Because when you say welfare, it seems to imply to some that it's government service they don't deserve paid by someone else's tax dollar. It's a supplement not a retirement plan, but it isn't welfare either. I said $1000. That's generous. I meant way less, as little as $500.
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allegro Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:54:19pm |
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BryanS Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:56:02pm |
re: #448 marjoriemoon
Because when you say welfare, it seems to imply to some that it's government service they don't deserve paid by someone else's tax dollar. It's a supplement not a retirement plan, but it isn't welfare either. I said $1000. That's generous. I meant way less, as little as $500.
No, when YOU say welfare you mean that. What's wrong with a welfare program that helps people?
Does someone sitting on a million dollars in savings need a "supplement"? Maybe if they live 20 years after their retirement and run out. But till then, throwing social security dollars at that person is a waste.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:56:10pm |
re: #449 allegro
How about 2 wars?
Fine with me. But that's gonna buy you time, not solve the problem permanently. Nor can it be done quickly, at least not without putting our soldiers at even greater risk.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:57:14pm |
re: #447 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
So, what would you suggest as the solution? New/higher taxes? Cutting spending elsewhere? Something's gotta give, and if working to make social spending dollars go farther is not it, then the burden has to carried elsewhere.
There has to be places to cut spending other than education. Education is something the nation ultimately benefits from anyway so it doesn't make sense to me.
Clinton's welfare reform put people back to work. It offered a 2 year program to learn a degree, a skill and then you're on your own. Employers that hire these people get tax breaks. For those who can do it, it's a win win. My point is, welfare isn't throwing money into a gaping hole if used wisely. But there are those who just want to cut it.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:58:30pm |
re: #451 BryanS
No, when YOU say welfare you mean that. What's wrong with a welfare program that helps people?
Does someone sitting on a million dollars in savings need a "supplement"? Maybe if they live 20 years after their retirement and run out. But till then, throwing social security dollars at that person is a waste.
Maybe, but they still pay into it, so they should get something out of it.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:59:54pm |
re: #437 palomino
Code Pink is fringe. But all people who walk in anti-war rallies? Not necessarily.
But I think KT might have slipped in minimizing the TP. There are a lot of angry white right-leaning populists out there--angry over the economy, angry over losing the elections of 2006 and 2008, angry about rapid cultural changes, and angry that Obama is, uh, not a citizen.
Code Pink is so fringe, they think testing defensive missiles in California is something to piss their pink panties over.
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BryanS Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:02:01pm |
re: #454 marjoriemoon
Maybe, but they still pay into it, so they should get something out of it.
Why? I pay into all kinds of taxes, but do not get direct benefit unless I find myself in need. Do I get food stamps just because I pay the taxes that find those programs? Giving rich people social security benefits seems like a big waste of money.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:03:44pm |
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allegro Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:04:10pm |
re: #456 BryanS
I pay into all kinds of taxes, but do not get direct benefit unless I find myself in need.
You might want to think that one through a bit more.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:06:21pm |
re: #453 marjoriemoon
There has to be places to cut spending other than education. Education is something the nation ultimately benefits from anyway so it doesn't make sense to me.
Clinton's welfare reform put people back to work. It offered a 2 year program to learn a degree, a skill and then you're on your own. Employers that hire these people get tax breaks. For those who can do it, it's a win win. My point is, welfare isn't throwing money into a gaping hole if used wisely. But there are those who just want to cut it.
Educating those on welfare and giving them a leg-up in the job market, alongside tax breaks to businesses who hire them, is a worthwhile endeavor. I heard a friend suggest the other day that that's what should be done with unemployment, namely after 6 months, if the person has not succeeded in finding new employment, switch from simply providing "insurance" to paying to retrain them for a new field.
At the same time, you can only cut so much elsewhere before you start goring somebody else's ox.
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BryanS Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:06:39pm |
re: #458 allegro
You might want to think that one through a bit more.
Should have said--"on some programs". I meant to give a specific example of a program I pay into but do not expect to receive direct benefit from unless I needed it. And that much is true.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:07:37pm |
re: #456 BryanS
Why? I pay into all kinds of taxes, but do not get direct benefit unless I find myself in need.
And, of course, you will never find yourself in need, because you're a Rugged Individualist, just like the founding fathers, whom Pam Geller, she of the rugged face, extols.
Bravo.
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allegro Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:11:00pm |
re: #460 BryanS
I should have said--"on some programs". I meant to give a specific example of a program I pay into but do not expect to receive direct benefit from unless I needed it. And that much is true.
Let me use this example... I did not reproduce, yet I paid significantly high school taxes. I could claim I paid those taxes while receiving no direct benefit or "need" since I did not have children to educate. Yet, I benefit from those children who were educated by those taxes indirectly by having educated people to hire, to work in businesses from which I benefit, etc.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:16:06pm |
re: #459 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Educating those on welfare and giving them a leg-up in the job market, alongside tax breaks to businesses who hire them, is a worthwhile endeavor. I heard a friend suggest the other day that that's what should be done with unemployment, namely after 6 months, if the person has not succeeded in finding new employment, switch from simply providing "insurance" to paying to retrain them for a new field.
At the same time, you can only cut so much elsewhere before you start goring somebody else's ox.
I don't know. I guess it's silly to say that I don't know what TO cut and just what NOT to cut, but that's where I'm at right now lol Maybe why I' m a Dem. They try to protect programs that are important to me.
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Targetpractice Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:18:05pm |
re: #463 marjoriemoon
I don't know. I guess it's silly to say that I don't know what TO cut and just what NOT to cut, but that's where I'm at right now lol Maybe why I' m a Dem. They try to protect programs that are important to me.
That's kinda why I'm not in any party, because I say put it all on the table, from reforms to outright cuts. No solution should be "taboo" and no spending should be considered a "sacred cow."
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tradewind Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:26:59pm |
re: #358 webevintage
Wonderful book, even for a French author./
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sagehen Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:38:30pm |
re: #198 prairiefire
So brookly, for how many weeks after Nov. 2nd are the LGF liberals allowed to gloat?
If Dems lose seats, but more than/less than any given poster expects... who gets gloating rights? If your party overall does much worse than you'd have wanted/expected, but you win a particular close-run seat (especially if it's the district you live in) -- or if your party does great, but loses your hometown... is that gloatable? If Rand Paul and Sharron Angle both lose badly, I'll want to gloat no matter what else happens in all the other races.
(may I suggest free rein for gloating for 48 hours starting midnight of election day... and then another 48 hours starting when the newbies are sworn in).
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sagehen Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:45:36pm |
re: #216 robdouth
I think it should be blamed sometimes on the opposition as well. I'm afraid that the same thing will happen to Obama. You have a small vocal minority that bitches no matter what you do, so as a president I'm sure it becomes harder to no what's legit and what's political posturing. I'm afraid Obama may be afraid to change course sometime in the future because if he's getting bitched at for everything, and then he tries to change position, there will be the calls for I told you so's and waffling and other bullshit. It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation and I think it led to inertia with Bush and I don't want to see the same mistakes from Obama. Although it seems Obama's problem is one of trying to get out in front of an issue before knowing if the issue is legit (Sherrod as an example) and maybe he'd do better to wait a couple things out.
eh.
If you bring a bill and it doesn't pass (especially if it's because of procedural tricks that set too high a bar, like the California budget needing 2/3 to pass, or Senate Republicans filibustering even the most minor 3rd assistant undersecretary appointment) -- blaming the opposition is entirely fair.
For things that happen by executive decision, and you don't do it because OMG PEOPLE WILL CRITICIZE YOU!, then no. That's not the opposition's fault. If they persuaded you on the merits, fair enough, you're being reasonable, but if you continued to think it was the right thing and you didn't do it because you couldn't stand that somebody would call you names, then you're just spineless.
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prairiefire Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:55:14pm |
re: #466 sagehen
If Dems lose seats, but more than/less than any given poster expects... who gets gloating rights? If your party overall does much worse than you'd have wanted/expected, but you win a particular close-run seat (especially if it's the district you live in) -- or if your party does great, but loses your hometown... is that gloatable? If Rand Paul and Sharron Angle both lose badly, I'll want to gloat no matter what else happens in all the other races.
(may I suggest free rein for gloating for 48 hours starting midnight of election day... and then another 48 hours starting when the newbies are sworn in).
Excellent suggestion. I'm afraid I just can't resist my partisan side when it comes to doing battle, er, I mean elections!
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