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New Mexico Teen Planned Family Shootings for at Least a Week

This terrible event would have been much worse if everything went according to his plan
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There’s some new information in this report. There are some excerpts below. The whole thing is here.

For at least a week, 15-year-old Nehemiah Griego had been planning the attack, authorities said.

After shooting his mother and three siblings in their beds, he ambushed his father as the pastor returned home from an overnight shift at a homeless shelter.

Then the teen reloaded the family’s rifles.

His plan was to randomly shoot people at a Wal-Mart on Saturday, which happened to be “Guns Across America” day, until he could be killed in a shootout with law enforcement, according to authorities.

He also contemplated killing his 12-year-old girlfriend’s parents, Bernalillo County Sheriff Dan Houston said Tuesday.

And while Griego loaded guns and ammunition into the family’s van, Houston said, it was unclear whether the teen did go to a Wal-Mart or how seriously he contemplated continuing his rampage on the same day that thousands of gun advocates gathered peacefully at state capitals around the country to rally against stricter limits on firearms.

The “Guns Across America” events were held after President Barack Obama unveiled a sweeping package of federal gun-control proposals.

[…]

The boy’s uncle, Eric Griego [a former New Mexico state Senator], said in an emailed statement on behalf of the family that the teen is “bright, curious and incredibly talented” with a love of music and sports.

“It is clear to those of us who know and love him that something went terribly wrong. Whether it was a mental breakdown or some deeper undiagnosed psychological issue, we can’t be sure yet,” the statement said.

[…]

Eric Griego’s statement said the family had “differing views on gun rights and gun control” and asked the media “to not use Nehemiah as a pawn for ratings or to score political points.

“He is a troubled young man who made a terrible decision that will haunt him and his family forever.”

OK, we shouldn’t use the shooter to “score political points.” Can we use the family’s practice of storing weapons in a bedroom closet to make a point about gun control? I don’t see it as a bad thing if some progress on that front can be encouraged by this horrible event.

Nehemiah Griego, 15, is seen in an undated photo provided by his family.

There’s another new report here.

The 12-year-old girlfriend of Nehemiah Griego who allegedly killed five members of his family was interviewed by police today and cleared of possible complicity in the rampage.

[…]

Another version by the same AP reporter as the one at the top has this included:

[…]

In addition to the two rifles, there were two 12-gauge pistol-grip shotguns in the home, Houston said. Griego’s father had taught him to use guns, and they shot together on a regular basis, Houston said.

The house had a security-style sign outside saying: “Protected by Smith & Wesson Security Services.”

[…]

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602 comments

1 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 5:01:27pm

Word around the DA’s office is that he has some mild fetal alcohol syndrome

2 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 5:08:07pm

re: #1 SpaceJesus

Word around the DA’s office is that he has some mild fetal alcohol syndrome

I don’t know what impact that would have. The young man I know who has FAS is about the sweetest person I’ve met.

3 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 5:11:07pm

re: #2 wrenchwench

Could be a defense. I don’t know, never seen it used.

4 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 5:20:42pm

re: #3 SpaceJesus

Could be a defense. I don’t know, never seen it used.

The guy I know would probably not be found competent to be tried as an adult (if he ever broke the law), even though he’s 10 years older than this kid.

5 Skip Intro  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 5:25:39pm

So how did the ex-con father get all the guns? Can ex-cons legally own guns in New Mexico? Or was it the mother who bought them, then stored them in an unlocked closet?

6 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 5:39:07pm

re: #5 Skip Intro

So how did the ex-con father get all the guns? Can ex-cons legally own guns in New Mexico? Or was it the mother who bought them, then stored them in an unlocked closet?

He may not have been a felon. Also, I read somewhere that he acquired some through private sales. I also read somewhere (I gotta keep better track of what I read where) that the guns were owned legally.

7 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 5:44:30pm

I also see you guys got Steven Seagal as a deputy or something down there now too. Uh…Congratulations?

8 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 5:47:46pm

re: #7 SpaceJesus

I also see you guys got Steven Seagal as a deputy or something down there now too. Uh…Congratulations?

Shit, I thought that was in Texas! (We each have a ‘Socorro’ and an ‘Hidalgo’).

9 Skip Intro  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 5:48:47pm
The house had a security-style sign outside saying: “Protected by Smith & Wesson Security Services.”

Fat lot of good they did. I won’t be using them at my house.

10 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:05:56pm

WW, good Page. The lesson here is multifaceted IMHO. From a gun standpoint, yes we need strict storage rules. From a human standpoint we need more help for troubled kids and strict storage rules and far fewer “loose” guns.

To be clear-The guns made it far easier to do what he did. Damn awful.

I read a suicide story recently that had chilling similarities to this one but carbon monoxide was the choice for that murder/suicide. This older man also planned for days. Sealed up the garage windows with plywood. When deep planning is involved, look out no matter what is at hand or not. Very scary stuff.

11 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:08:59pm

re: #10 Political Atheist

Can you name any times when a 12 year old boy has managed to kill his parents without the aid of a gun?

12 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:09:57pm

re: #11 Obdicut

No.

Why?

13 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:12:49pm

re: #12 Political Atheist

No.

Why?

Because you said that the guns made it far easier to do what he did. I’d submit that without the guns, it would have been basically impossible for him to do what he did.

And you said:

When deep planning in involved, look out no matter what is at hand or not. Very scary stuff.

The rare brilliant sociopathic kid aside, I don’t think in general deep planning is going to result in a 12 year old kid accomplishing multiple murders.

14 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:16:28pm

Wow this has to be the fastest I have ever seen one thread give way to another.,,

15 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:20:15pm

Why did we not listen to the NRA a month ago and do something immediately about the mental health priorities in this nation? Or post armed guards in every home?

16 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:23:07pm

re: #13 Obdicut


Well since you asked I did a quick google. It is truly a rare phenomenon regardless of the M.O. It is scary just like I said.

I guess my disclaimer was inadequate? Failed to put first things first in your perception? I was adding a point.

Sadly young killers are a phenomenon that goes way back. Jesse Pomeroy. His first acts against other children started at 11. Mary Bell was 11 when she killed. It was a depressingly long list.

17 RadicalModerate  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:26:09pm

I gotta say that there is a method to Piers Morgan’s interviewees lately - he’s showing how completely batshit crazy the right has become, simply by letting them talk.

One of tonight’s guests: Dana Loesch.

18 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:27:17pm

Can you imagine if he’d actually gone through with his original plan and made it to Wal-Mart? The only way that would have ended is with him and a lot of other people dead.

19 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:27:42pm

re: #16 Political Atheist

The reason he was able to kill his parents was because of the guns in the household. If he hadn’t been talked out of it, guns would have been why he was able to kill far more people at the Walmart. Yes, I feel like your post downplayed that fact, by saying they made it easier. I think they made it possible. Pommeroy lured victims away into the woods, apparently, other children that he could overpower. Guns enabled this boy to kill people rapidly, because that is what guns are designed to do.

This is part of the reason why the debate about guns is not just about responsible gun owners, but the presence of guns in households in the first place. They are dangerous, and in most cases, owning them puts you in more danger than not owning them.

20 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:32:08pm

re: #1 SpaceJesus

Word around the DA’s office is that he has some mild fetal alcohol syndrome

So does my (adopted) son. He’s got plenty of other issues too so I’m probably more sympathetic than some. That said, trying to make it into an excuse will fail (legally) and do more harm to other kids fighting the problems with learning, inhibition control & attention deficit that come with this problem by reinforcing stereotypes and prejudices.

Another issue is that of medication if he has these kinds of problems. Some kids are helped - my guy is not able to learn without it - others are not and we simply don’t know if his protocol was correct or not. Kind? Dosage? How often was he seen by psychiatric, neurological and pediatric doctors for adjustment?

The biggest warning sign for me in all of this, though, is the homeschooling. If you don’t have to deal with people outside the family daily, it’s all too easy for the family to not see things and think that things are better than they really are. I really dislike homeschooling; as bad as the public schools can be, there are some “solutions” that only make things worse.

21 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:32:26pm

Basically, in many, if not most, cases, the truly responsible gun owner would be the person who decided he didn’t actually want to own a gun because he understood that the presence of the gun actually made him less safe. Or who kept it at a range if they wanted to have fun firing it.

22 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:33:01pm

Hmm. Latest kerfluffle on Facebook is a report on Today that says Adam Lanza only used handguns in the Newtown shooting. So lots of chortling that AR-15s are not to blame.

Not sure if that pushes the conversation where they want it too. Maybe time to address those hand guns, and how waiting periods and such affected his ability to buy more weapons. The video also claims that he had some sort of dispute with staff at the school a few days before the shooting.

Might need something more than a 24 hour rule from now on.

23 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:35:18pm

re: #11 Obdicut

Can you name any times when a 12 year old boy has managed to kill his parents without the aid of a gun?

One, the kid in this case is 15, not 12.

Two, yes. Knives in one case, axe in another, bow & arrows in a third. First two while the parents slept. Last was during hunting season.

24 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:36:37pm

re: #21 Obdicut

Basically, in many, if not most, cases, the truly responsible gun owner would be the person who decided he didn’t actually want to own a gun because he understood that the presence of the gun actually made him less safe. Or who kept it at a range if they wanted to have fun firing it.

I had one wingnut recently tell me, with no hint of irony, that he has several loaded guns hidden all over his house for “protection.” When I queried him as to why he’d do something so stupid when others might enter the house and find one, he assured me that whenever he’s expecting company, he grabs every one, unloads it, and locks it up.

Yeah, it took me a couple minutes to ratchet my jaw up off the floor.

25 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:39:02pm

re: #23 William Barnett-Lewis

One, the kid in this case is 15, not 12.

Two, yes. Knives in one case, axe in another, bow & arrows in a third. First two while the parents slept. Last was during hunting season.

And was he then planning on driving to Walmart with the knives to kill multiple people until the cops brought them down?

Guns are designed to help people kill other people* rapidly and efficiently even if the person wielding them is not physically strong. That is what guns are for. That is their existence. Pretending they are not that is weird to me.

*Or animals. But mostly people.

26 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:41:03pm

re: #19 Obdicut
re: #25 Obdicut

And was he then planning on driving to Walmart with the knives to kill multiple people until the cops brought them down?

Guns are designed to help people kill other people rapidly and efficiently even if the person wielding them is not physically strong. That is what guns are for. That is their existence. Pretending they are not that is weird to me.

Okay just my way of looking at this. We have a situation from which we can learn more than one lesson. The second lesson does not diminish the first. It expands our ability to prevent this kind of tragedy. Maybe it is so with low info people but certainly not around here.

27 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:42:33pm

re: #11 Obdicut

Can you name any times when a 12 year old boy has managed to kill his parents without the aid of a gun?

Graham Young repeatedly poisoned his entire family at the age of 14, killing his stepmother. The only reason most of his victims lived is that murder itself wasn’t usually his goal, documenting the effects of repeated poisonings and becoming expert in their manufacture and administration was.

28 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:44:50pm

re: #26 Political Atheist

Okay just my way of looking at this. We have a situation from which we can learn more than one lesson. The second lesson does not diminish the first. It expands our ability to prevent this kind of tragedy. Maybe it is so with low info people but certainly not around here.

I’m always happy to learn multiple lessons. Nobody has ever argued that paying more attention to mental health is a bad thing. But thank freaking god this kid got talked out of his rampage and into going to his church and they were able to psych him out there, too. Because he had a lot of guns.

I think what this and the Lanza case have done is throw into sharp relief that gun ownership isn’t just about the individual, but that owning guns makes those guns accessible— with varying degrees of difficulty— to other people. So all the restrictions in the world on individual gun owners being responsible and well-trained doesn’t matter if someone else gets their hands on those guns.

29 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:47:06pm

re: #22 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. Latest kerfluffle on Facebook is a report on Today that says Adam Lanza only used handguns in the Newtown shooting. So lots of chortling that AR-15s are not to blame.

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Not sure if that pushes the conversation where they want it too. Maybe time to address those hand guns, and how waiting periods and such affected his ability to buy more weapons. The video also claims that he had some sort of dispute with staff at the school a few days before the shooting.

Might need something more than a 24 hour rule from now on.

That NBC video was very early, (Dec 15) and retracted. Freep has been posting it a couple times a day, and it’s starting to tick off the san(er) denizens.

30 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:47:18pm

re: #22 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. Latest kerfluffle on Facebook is a report on Today that says Adam Lanza only used handguns in the Newtown shooting. So lots of chortling that AR-15s are not to blame.

[Embedded content]

Not sure if that pushes the conversation where they want it too. Maybe time to address those hand guns, and how waiting periods and such affected his ability to buy more weapons. The video also claims that he had some sort of dispute with staff at the school a few days before the shooting.

Might need something more than a 24 hour rule from now on.

You may also notice that yesterday’s shooting in Texas has dropped of the radar since it probably isn’t going to fit the desired narrative.

31 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:48:07pm

Night Lizards. This is going to get toxic and I want no part of it.

Rant away. But realize this. Nothing you say is going to change a damn thing.

The Gun culture has had over 200 + years to establish itself. It is, part and parcel, a part of us for better or worse.

Live with it.

Facts, How the Fuck Do They Work?

32 dragonath  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:48:50pm

re: #22 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. Latest kerfluffle on Facebook is a report on Today that says Adam Lanza only used handguns in the Newtown shooting. So lots of chortling that AR-15s are not to blame.

Yeah, like that would make it so much better.

Maroons.

33 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:49:06pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

You may also notice that yesterday’s shooting in Texas has dropped of the radar since it probably isn’t going to fit the desired narrative.

What do you think the desired narrative is, Killgore?

34 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:49:51pm

re: #29 Decatur Deb

That NBC video was very early, (Dec 15), and retracted. Freep has been posting it a couple times a day, and it’s starting to tick off the san(er) denizens.

Eh, you mean they’re pushing an old video around as “proof”? I’m shocked, SHOCKED!

35 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:50:38pm

re: #31 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. This is going to get toxic and I want no part of it.

Rant away. But realize this. Nothing you say is going to change a damn thing.

The Gun culture has had over 200 + years to establish itself. It is, part and parcel, a part of us for better or worse.

Live with it.

Facts, How the Fuck Do They Work?

We can both live with it and attempt to ameliorate it’s terrible effects, just as we can deal with other highly imperfect parts of our culture. We don’t just have to live with it helplessly, sitting on our hands.

It shouldn’t become our fervent crusade that we sacrifice all other hopes to. Doesn’t mean nothing can be done.

36 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:51:56pm

re: #31 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. This is going to get toxic and I want no part of it.

Rant away. But realize this. Nothing you say is going to change a damn thing.

The Gun culture has had over 200 + years to establish itself. It is, part and parcel, a part of us for better or worse.

Live with it.

Facts, How the Fuck Do They Work?

People once said the same about things like slavery and feudalism.

Probably with more archaic idioms, I suppose.

37 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:52:04pm

re: #31 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. This is going to get toxic and I want no part of it.

Rant away. But realize this. Nothing you say is going to change a damn thing.

The Gun culture has had over 200 + years to establish itself. It is, part and parcel, a part of us for better or worse.

Live with it.

Facts, How the Fuck Do They Work?

I agree with what Josh Marshall said a week back, I have no problem with gun culture. It’s when those who revel in it push guns on the rest of society as the cure for all ills and weaken laws to allow them to carry ever increasing numbers of guns around me and my loved ones that I get uptight.

38 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:52:35pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

Eh, you mean they’re pushing an old video around as “proof”? I’m shocked, SHOCKED!

Freepers seized on it the first couple times it was posted, but most postings now are met with a few eager believers, and a majority of people who have seen it debunked several times. The News chyron is freakn’ datestamped.

39 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:55:02pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

The News chyron is freakn’ datestamped.

I fucking love that word.

40 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:55:09pm

re: #31 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. This is going to get toxic and I want no part of it.

Rant away. But realize this. Nothing you say is going to change a damn thing.

The Gun culture has had over 200 + years to establish itself. It is, part and parcel, a part of us for better or worse.

Live with it.

Facts, How the Fuck Do They Work?

Agreed. Good night all.

41 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:56:48pm

re: #36 Renaissance_Man

People once said the same about things like slavery and feudalism.

Probably with more archaic idioms, I suppose.

Before those were ended by law, they had to be ended in the minds of the decisionmakers. We’re not there yet on guns.

42 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:57:10pm

I must have missed a memo, because I didn’t know there was a “desired narrative.”

43 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:58:51pm

re: #29 Decatur Deb

That NBC video was very early, (Dec 15) and retracted. Freep has been posting it a couple times a day, and it’s starting to tick off the san(er) denizens.

Duh. I didn’t notice that. Time to go pull a more current report on the weapons used and go embarrass someone.

CATS SAY: MUST CATCH RED DOT!!!

44 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:59:13pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I must have missed a memo, because I didn’t know there was a “desired narrative.”

Only one I can think of is “gun advocates” swearing that the prevalence of guns actually reduces violent crimes because the very presence of a gun serves as a deterrent. All it did in Texas was turn an argument into a shoot-out when it could have simply ended in a fist-fight.

45 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:59:15pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I must have missed a memo, because I didn’t know there was a “desired narrative.”

It was in the pay envelope with my Soros Zionist check.

46 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:59:35pm

i agree with the nra that all teenagers should be held in custody until proven otherwise

47 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 6:59:40pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I must have missed a memo, because I didn’t know there was a “desired narrative.”

I want a narrative about a young woman who seeks revenge on her father’s murderer, and navigates the sometimes harrowing adult world in order to use her considerable powers of oratory to shame, spur, convince, and inspire others into helping her achieve that goal.

Oh wait, that’s True Grit, and it was awesome.

48 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:00:31pm

re: #43 Feline Fearless Leader

Duh. I didn’t notice that. Time to go pull a more current report on the weapons used and go embarrass someone.

CATS SAY: MUST CATCH RED DOT!!!

The state police have very deliberately re-issued a report listing what was found in detail. (Won’t link it because it was on Freep.)

49 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:00:32pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I must have missed a memo, because I didn’t know there was a “desired narrative.”

The only desired narrative I want is “and another record set for longest period of time since a mass shooting occurred.”

50 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:00:51pm

re: #47 Obdicut

I want a narrative about a young woman who seeks revenge on her father’s murderer, and navigates the sometimes harrowing adult world in order to use her considerable powers of oratory to shame, spur, convince, and inspire others into helping her achieve that goal.

Oh wait, that’s True Grit, and it was awesome.

Rooster Cogburn had a habit of ending up on adventures with women like that.

51 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:00:55pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

I had one wingnut recently tell me, with no hint of irony, that he has several loaded guns hidden all over his house for “protection.” When I queried him as to why he’d do something so stupid when others might enter the house and find one, he assured me that whenever he’s expecting company, he grabs every one, unloads it, and locks it up.

in earlier times, people wore st christopher’s medals

today one buys a gun

52 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:01:13pm

re: #48 Decatur Deb

The state police have very deliberated re-issued a report listing what was found in detail. (Won’t link it because it was on Freep.)

[Link: www.ct.gov…]

is what I used.

53 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:01:22pm

re: #31 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. This is going to get toxic and I want no part of it.

Rant away. But realize this. Nothing you say is going to change a damn thing.

The Gun culture has had over 200 + years to establish itself. It is, part and parcel, a part of us for better or worse.

Live with it.

Facts, How the Fuck Do They Work?

Furthermore, the ‘gun culture’ isn’t really 200+ years old. It’s more like 30, which is about the time that gun manufacturers started to use the NRA to really push firearms as magic wands and ramping up paranoia and fear to sell more guns. As gun fantasists are fond of pointing out, gun massacres really weren’t all that common many decades ago, before guns were treated as sacred objects that required human sacrifice to maintain all freedoms.

I feel pretty confident that the cult of the Gun, being only decades old, can become as marginalised and ridiculed as other paranoid fantasies, such as alien abduction and black helicopters. It will take time and patience, as with many things.

And no, I don’t think Americans have to live with it, as you say. Because, quite frankly, many thousands of them don’t live with it.

54 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:02:19pm

re: #52 Feline Fearless Leader

[Link: www.ct.gov…]

is what I used.

Yup, from the source.

55 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:03:39pm
56 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:05:09pm

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

All these years, I’ve been playing violent video games, and haven’t killed a single person yet. Damn, guess they’re defective.

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57 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:05:30pm

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

??

google translate is really no help with this, and by myself i can’t get any farther than ‘looks like greek’

58 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:05:42pm

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

The kid also went to Church. I blame the Bible.

59 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:06:00pm

re: #56 Targetpractice

All these years, I’ve been playing violent video games, and haven’t killed a single person yet. Damn, guess they’re defective.

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Don’t the Japanese play more violent video games than any other nation?

60 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:06:37pm

re: #57 engineer cat

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

??

google translate is really no help with this, and by myself i can’t get any farther than ‘looks like greek’

Molon labe, roughly translated (usually) as “Come and claim them.” Said to be the retort Leonidas gave to the Persian Army when his men were ordered to lay down their arms.

61 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:06:41pm

re: #57 engineer cat

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

??

google translate is really no help with this, and by myself i can’t get any farther than ‘looks like greek’

It’s a line from 300.

62 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:07:21pm

re: #57 engineer cat

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

??

google translate is really no help with this, and by myself i can’t get any farther than ‘looks like greek’

Militiaspeak. It’s their idea of what Leonidas said when the Persians told him to put down his arms. Roughly—“Come and take them”.

(Leonidas was supported by a contingent of openly gay Thebans.)

63 dragonath  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:07:23pm

re: #53 Renaissance_Man

Furthermore, the ‘gun culture’ isn’t really 200+ years old. It’s more like 30…

I’ve got a few Hunter-Trapper-Fisherman magazines from the 30s. If anyone’s interested, I could probably scan in a few pages to illustrate the change in attitudes.

64 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:07:24pm

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

Don’t the Japanese play more violent video games than any other nation?

Where do you think some of the more violence franchises originate?

65 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:07:40pm

#TGDN thinks ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ is so kewl, it’s like in a furrin language and stuff.

66 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:09:48pm

You know who else didn’t play violent video games?
Hitler.

67 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:10:59pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

You know who else didn’t play violent video games?
Hitler.

He did enjoy drawing Disney characters however.

68 dragonath  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:11:02pm

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

#TGDN thinks ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ is so kewl, it’s like in a furrin language and stuff.

Cool, so Spartans are role models now? Gotta get guns to hold down some helots!

69 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:12:10pm

re: #68 dragonath

Cool, so Spartans are role models now? Gotta get guns to hold down some helots!

Weren’t the Spartans like all gay and stuff?

70 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:12:14pm

Moonbats spring into action
Twin Cities protest says: ‘No U.S. intervention in Mali’

“U.S. and western intervention, including drone strikes, will not lead to peace In Mali,” said Sarah Martin of Women Against Military Madness.

Marie Braun, an activist with Women Against Military Madness and the Twin Cities Peace Campaign, explained the reason for the protest in her speech at the bridge: “We are focusing on Mali today because of our government’s decision to support the French military action in Mali by providing them with surveillance and other intelligence, transport troops and military equipment, and possibly aerial refueling and drones.”

71 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:12:14pm

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

Is there any chance these idiots will ever really understand our arguments?

72 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:12:40pm

re: #68 dragonath

Cool, so Spartans are role models now? Gotta get guns to hold down some helots!

I guess they didn’t read the fine print on Spartan training.

Sinners.

73 calochortus  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:12:42pm

re: #69 Vicious Babushka

Weren’t the Spartans like all gay and stuff?

But in a manly way…

74 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:12:53pm

re: #54 Decatur Deb

Yup, from the source.

Oh, and “liberals are evil” friend #2 posted it too. Can use the same comment on him as well. Will be interested in what sort of response that garners. I rate “wrong, but accurate” higher than seeing a retraction or even thanking me for correct information.

Both are engineers that were supposedly trained in critical thinking. But when the blinders go on that seems to be buried in exchange for the emotionalism.

75 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:13:04pm

re: #69 Vicious Babushka

Weren’t the Spartans like all gay and stuff?

Shush. You’ll harsh their buzz.

76 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:14:17pm

Some #TGDN nutjob was so pissed at me for fact-checking their “Gun Violence” map they sent me this map they must have found after frantic drunken Googling, from some blog that nobody ever heard of.

77 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:14:36pm

re: #74 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh, and “liberals are evil” friend #2 posted it too. Can use the same comment on him as well. Will be interested in what sort of response that garners. I rate “wrong, but accurate” higher than seeing a retraction or even thanking me for correct information.

Both are engineers that were supposedly trained in critical thinking. But when the blinders go on that seems to be buried in exchange for the emotionalism.

Where did you get the idea engineers are trained in critical thinking?

78 Tigger2005  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:17:11pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Moonbats spring into action
Twin Cities protest says: ‘No U.S. intervention in Mali’

They can’t let the wingnuts get all the attention.

79 Tigger2005  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:18:20pm

re: #31 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. This is going to get toxic and I want no part of it.

Rant away. But realize this. Nothing you say is going to change a damn thing.

The Gun culture has had over 200 + years to establish itself. It is, part and parcel, a part of us for better or worse.

Live with it.

Facts, How the Fuck Do They Work?

Pardon me for downdinging, but this is nothing but lazy, cynical, fatalistic bullshit.

80 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:20:18pm

Know what else was an established part of our culture?
Slavery

81 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:20:27pm

re: #77 b_sharp

Where did you get the idea engineers are trained in critical thinking?

The fact that the bridges and buildings tend to stay upright?

Combination of being raised by one, being in engineering school for a few years, belonging to a fraternity full of them, and having a few of them among my best friends. But, all in all, they are pretty much as goofy and mixed up as any other group.

82 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:21:03pm

re: #80 Kragar

Know what else was an established part of our culture?
Slavery

Know what’s still a part of it?
Bigotry.

Yet we’ve made enormous strides in just the last 20 years alone.

83 The Force Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:21:05pm

re: #69 Vicious Babushka

Weren’t the Spartans like all gay and stuff?

No, not really. They had their own version of pederasty, and for the most part sexual activity was structured by the needs of the state.

84 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:21:33pm

re: #69 Vicious Babushka

Weren’t the Spartans like all gay and stuff?

spartans were like the bastard lovechildren of gorgeous george and ernst roehm, with a little gorilla monsoon thrown in

85 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:22:57pm

re: #60 Targetpractice

Molon labe, roughly translated (usually) as “Come and claim them.” Said to be the retort Leonidas gave to the Persian Army when his men were ordered to lay down their arms.

Except these idiots aren’t warriors. They just want to feel like warriors without putting in the work and taking the risks that come with protecting one’s country.

Fuck these people. They think their bid guns make them badasses, when in reality it’s proof of their fear and weakness.

86 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:23:06pm

re: #80 Kragar

Know what else was an established part of our culture?
Slavery

We don’t yet have the anti-gun version of the American Missionary Society, Uncle Tom’s Cabin, or Battle Hymn of the Republic. We’ll get effective controls when we have seized the electorate’s imagination.

87 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:23:20pm

re: #81 Feline Fearless Leader

The fact that the bridges and buildings tend to stay upright?

Combination of being raised by one, being in engineering school for a few years, belonging to a fraternity full of them, and having a few of them among my best friends. But, all in all, they are pretty much as goofy and mixed up as any other group.

“if architects built buildings the way software engineers build software, the first woodpecker to come along would destroy civilization”

88 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:23:44pm

re: #53 Renaissance_Man

As gun fantasists are fond of pointing out, gun massacres really weren’t all that common many decades ago, before guns were treated as sacred objects that required human sacrifice to maintain all freedoms.

Sure they were. In fact massacres and gun violence in general have fallen way off of peak levels.

In the criminal sociology classes I’ve taken the two big humps are usually associated with and largely explained by two major phenomenon, Prohibition and the Baby Boom. During Prohibition there was obviously a huge increase in gang violence associated with the illegal alcohol trade, as the traditional avenues of conflict resolution weren’t available to those who chose to continue manufacturing and distributing booze. The Baby Boom dumped a disproportionately large number of young males on society all at once. Some experts also place some of the blame for the longer continuation of the second bump on the early effects of the Drug War particularly the 1980’s urban turf battles over the crack cocaine trade.

89 The Force Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:24:01pm

re: #83 The Ghost of a Flea

No, not really. They had their own version of pederasty, and for the most part sexual activity was structured by the needs of the state.

To add to my point, there’s a big contrast between the Theban Sacred Band, in which member were in long-term homosexual relationships, and the Spartan system in which brutalized male children were entrained to men of status to create greater social cohesion and “mould” them into men.

90 BongCrodny  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:24:45pm

NRA advertisement, 1951:

“The National Rifle Association of America is a non-profit, non-sectarian organization of over half a million shooters. It is the oldest national sportsmen’s association in the United States. For over 80 years NRA has conducted America’s civilian program in the safe and proper handling of firearms.”

NRA advertisement, 2008:

“Barack Obama’s Ten Point Plan To Change The Second Amendment”

1. Ban use of firearms for home defense.

2. Pass Federal laws eliminating your right to carry.

3. Ban the manufacture, possession and sale of handguns.

4. Close down 90% of the gun shops in America.

5. Ban rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.

6. Increase Federal taxes on guns and ammunition by 500%.

7. Restore voting rights for five million criminals including those who have been convicted of using a gun to commit a violent crime.

8. Expand the Clinton semi-auto ban to include millions more firearms.

9. Mandate a government-issued license to purchase a firearm.

10. Appoint judges to the U.S. Supreme Court and the Federal judiciary who share his views on the Second Amendment.

Sounds like two different groups, doesn’t it?

91 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:25:20pm

re: #69 Vicious Babushka

Weren’t the Spartans like all gay and stuff?

More like institutionalized pederasty.

92 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:25:20pm

re: #81 Feline Fearless Leader

The fact that the bridges and buildings tend to stay upright?

Combination of being raised by one, being in engineering school for a few years, belonging to a fraternity full of them, and having a few of them among my best friends. But, all in all, they are pretty much as goofy and mixed up as any other group.

Critical thinking is a subdivision of philosophy and is about the analysis of logic in language. We may be talking about different things.

93 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:26:33pm

re: #91 moderatelyradicalliberal

More like institutionalized pederasty.

So Catholic orphanages then.

94 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:28:20pm

re: #93 Kragar

So Catholic orphanages then.

Nothing new under the sun.

95 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:28:31pm

re: #92 b_sharp

Critical thinking is a subdivision of philosophy and is about the analysis of logic in language. We may be talking about different things.

Quite possibly. And probably due to me misunderstanding the term.

Oh, and I got a chat “thank you for the correction” from one of them. :)

96 dragonath  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:28:48pm

Tigers vs. Snowmen

97 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:29:20pm

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

#TGDN thinks ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ is so kewl, it’s like in a furrin language and stuff.

If all gun owners were as well-trained as Greek hoplites there would be far fewer accidental gun discharges. In Sparta they started at 7 but everywhere in Ancient Greece started military training no later than 12, with 10 being common. By the time Socrates finally saw a major battle at Delium he had been drilling and training at regular intervals for 30 years.

98 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:30:11pm

#TGDN is in a seething lather over Benghazi. I am now totally convinced that none of them give half a shit about the people who died in Benghazi but they have worked themselves into a frothing apoplectic frenzy because of Obama derangement.

99 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:31:10pm

Oh look, here’s a Godwin!

100 dragonath  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:31:38pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

You know, Socrates probably thought anyone to the north of Macedon was a total barbarian.

101 jaunte  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:31:39pm

re: #98 Vicious Babushka

Have they figured out a motive, yet?

102 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:32:23pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

If all gun owners were as well-trained as Greek hoplites there would be far fewer accidental gun discharges. In Sparta they started at 7 but everywhere in Ancient Greece started military training no later than 12, with 10 being common. By the time Socrates finally saw a major battle at Delium he had been drilling and training at regular intervals for 30 years.

Also remember, Greek battles were weren’t actually usually huge campaigns with high body counts. They were usually highly organized affairs with a side surrendering when they saw they couldn’t win and then everyone heading home after tribute was paid.

103 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:32:34pm

re: #98 Vicious Babushka

#TGDN is in a seething lather over Benghazi. I am now totally convinced that none of them give half a shit about the people who died in Benghazi but they have worked themselves into a frothing apoplectic frenzy because of Obama derangement.

I think disappointment that no hostage situation developed to give the Obama administration a big black eye right before the election is also in the mix of seething primal wingnut rage.

104 The Force Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:33:50pm

re: #100 dragonath

You know, Socrates probably thought anyone to the north of Macedon was a total barbarian.

And anyone east of the Bosphorous was effeminate, deceptive, and weak; and anyone south of Greek Isles was ill-tempered and dim.

Hellenic racism: the tropes that just keep giving.

105 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:34:02pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

If all gun owners were as well-trained as Greek hoplites there would be far fewer accidental gun discharges. In Sparta they started at 7 but everywhere in Ancient Greece started military training no later than 12, with 10 being common. By the time Socrates finally saw a major battle at Delium he had been drilling and training at regular intervals for 30 years.

This is also the full explanation of why the Greeks did so well against the Persian Army: Greek hoplites were the products of long term training and civic cohesion and the Persian Empire could not create the conditions that produced them. Thus for every day of military training a non-Immortal Persian at Thermopylae had, his Thespian or Theban foe had at least a week of training, and often the ratio was even worse.

106 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:34:33pm

re: #98 Vicious Babushka

#TGDN is in a seething lather over Benghazi. I am now totally convinced that none of them give half a shit about the people who died in Benghazi but they have worked themselves into a frothing apoplectic frenzy because of Obama derangement.

They wanted so much for Congressional Republicans to “catch her” in a lie so they could finally have the scandal they so much wanted to use to destroy Obama. But like F&F, despite months of harping on about it at every opportunity, nothing has come of the whole mess. The recommendations themselves, if anything, smack in the face the whole notion that you can have a US presence in every major nation on the cheap.

107 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:34:58pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

And then the Romans happened.

108 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:35:04pm

re: #100 dragonath

You know, Socrates probably thought anyone to the north of Macedon was a total barbarian.

True, he likely did. But such attitudes were the norm in the Athens of his time.

109 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:36:16pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

They wanted so much for Congressional Republicans to “catch her” in a lie so they could finally have the scandal they so much wanted to use to destroy Obama. But like F&F, despite months of harping on about it at every opportunity, nothing has come of the whole mess. The recommendations themselves, if anything, smack in the face the whole notion that you can have a US presence in every major nation on the cheap.

ODS is a big part, but HC is polling as the Dem leader for 2016. Today was part of the Permanent Campaign.

110 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:38:25pm

There were accounts in some of the early Roman and Greek battles of Greek soldiers surrendering according to the Greek rules of combat being totally massacred by Roman troops who didn’t realize they were surrendering.

111 The Force Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:38:34pm

re: #107 Kragar

And then the Romans happened.

Well, technically the Athenians happened to the Greeks, then the Spartans happened to the Greeks, and then the Macedonians happened to the Greeks.

Then the Romans happened to the Greeks.

112 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:38:34pm

re: #109 Decatur Deb

ODS is a big part, but HC is polling as the Dem leader for 2016. Today was part of the Permanent Campaign.

And of course we know how it will go forward. Democrats will argue that she was totally forthright with Congress and that she answered all the questions they put to her, Republicans will sneer that she lied her ass off and covered for Obama til the very end.

113 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:38:37pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

They wanted so much for Congressional Republicans to “catch her” in a lie so they could finally have the scandal they so much wanted to use to destroy Obama. But like F&F, despite months of harping on about it at every opportunity, nothing has come of the whole mess. The recommendations themselves, if anything, smack in the face the whole notion that you can have a US presence in every major nation on the cheap.

Well, Fox News will certainly report it that way — i.e., that intellectual giants such as Ron Johnson found throbbing, smoking gun proof that Obama coordinated the murder of his own US ambassador from the oval office.

It remains to be seen how much of this nonsense will spill over into other media channels.

114 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:38:59pm

re: #99 Vicious Babushka

Oh look, here’s a Godwin!

Colossal singularity of stupid. Remember all the ranting about comparing Bush to Hitler? Now we do it with freaking Obama?? And he hasn’t even started any wars!!!

These people wouldn’t know shame if it walked up to them and kicked them in the jimmy.

115 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:40:29pm

re: #114 Pawn of the Oppressor

Colossal singularity of stupid. Remember all the ranting about comparing Bush to Hitler? Now we do it with freaking Obama?? And he hasn’t even started any wars!!!

These people wouldn’t know shame if it walked up to them and kicked them in the jimmy.

I remember being ranted at at length about how comparing Bush to Hitler was not only a disservice to all those who’d fought Hitler, but a slap in the face of those who’d been killed or scarred for life by his regime. That the man was an absolute monster and nothing that Bush even began to rise to that level.

My, how much changes when a black Democrats gets elected.

116 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:40:32pm

re: #111 The Ghost of a Flea

Well, technically the Athenians happened to the Greeks, then the Spartans happened to the Greeks, and then the Macedonians happened to the Greeks.

They’re all Greeks to me

117 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:42:45pm

re: #107 Kragar

And then the Romans happened.

The Romans married the citizenry-at-arms with more lethal and far more flexible tactics and weapons than the Greeks had had.

118 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:42:56pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

I remember being ranted at at length about how comparing Bush to Hitler was not only a disservice to all those who’d fought Hitler, but a slap in the face of those who’d been killed or scarred for life by his regime. That the man was an absolute monster and nothing that Bush even began to rise to that level.

My, how much changes when a black Democrats gets elected.

After I soured on W Bush, I found Bush = Hitler at best faintly entertaining. It was ludicrous to take it seriously, and often served to distract from real issues (e.g., civil liberties abuses).

119 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:43:40pm

re: #116 Kragar

They’re all Greeks to me

They weren’t all Greeks to each other though. Pan-Greek unity did not get any play at all until a huge external threat turned up. And even that cooperation was sort of thin.

120 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:43:44pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

The Romans married the citizenry-at-arms with more lethal and far more flexible tactics and weapons than the Greeks had had.

It all comes down to manipular cohorts.

Manipular cohorts all the way down.

122 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:46:22pm

re: #111 The Ghost of a Flea

Well, technically the Athenians happened to the Greeks, then the Spartans happened to the Greeks, and then the Macedonians happened to the Greeks.

Then the Romans happened to the Greeks.

You forgot the Battle of Leuctra, where Thebes happened to Sparta and broke Spartan power forever. Athens had the flexibility to partially come back from its great defeat, but Sparta could not do so, owing to its rigidity. There’s a lesson to be learned there.

123 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:49:17pm

Why does Rand Paul hate America?

Rand Paul backtracks on Clinton criticism: Iraq war actually worst tragedy since 9/11

Paul said Clinton should “accept the culpability for the worst tragedy since 9/11.” He added that Clinton should be fired from her position for failing to protect the four Americans who were killed during the attack.

But CNN’s Wolf Blitzer pointed out that the intelligence failures and casualties involving the invasion of Iraq seemed like a greater blunder.

“Yeah, I agree with you,” Paul said. “There is no comparison to a beginning of a war in Iraq as well as the war in Afghanistan. The tragedy of those wars is of a different scale, and I guess we are talking more about a diplomatic mission than we are talking about a beginning of the war.”

124 The Force Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:49:23pm

re: #119 Feline Fearless Leader

They weren’t all Greeks to each other though. Pan-Greek unity did not get any play at all until a huge external threat turned up. And even that cooperation was sort of thin.

Pan-Greek unity also got a huge retroactive boost because of the propaganda value of an ur-iteration of “Enlightened Europeans versus decadent Asiatics.” Which is still being played out in our cultural discourse.

125 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:50:44pm

re: #123 Kragar

Why does Rand Paul hate America?

Rand Paul backtracks on Clinton criticism: Iraq war actually worst tragedy since 9/11

Man’s working so hard to make up for his whole “I’d have fired you” bullshit.

126 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:53:01pm

re: #123 Kragar

Why does Rand Paul hate America?

Rand Paul backtracks on Clinton criticism: Iraq war actually worst tragedy since 9/11

He learned it from his pappa!

127 dragonath  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:53:39pm
128 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:54:36pm

re: #127 dragonath

Okay, I don’t know what the fuck this Reagan Painting is about

It’s about time to see a shrink.

129 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:55:00pm
130 jaunte  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:55:15pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

I guess he forgot about Columbine and Virginia Tech.

131 jaunte  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:55:57pm

…and Fort Hood.

132 jaunte  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:56:39pm

.. and the six killed in the Gabrielle Giffords shooting.

133 jaunte  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:57:44pm

.. Seal Beach…. Oikos University…. Aurora Colorado….

134 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:57:57pm

re: #130 jaunte

I guess he forgot about Columbine and Virginia Tech.

Indeed, so many tragedies in the US’ history, many in the years since 9/11, and yet Paul couldn’t think of any. The very epitome of a political hack.

135 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 7:58:40pm

re: #132 jaunte

Why do you assume he ever really knew? Rand Paul only ‘knows’ those things that fall into a very narrow ideological field of vision.

136 jaunte  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:00:08pm

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes I forget who he represents.

137 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:00:08pm

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

Why do you assume he ever really knew? Rand Paul only ‘knows’ those things that fall into a very narrow ideological field of vision.

Is that the one they have to pry open and then prop open with a stick since it’s gaze is fatal to liberals?
/

138 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:01:16pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

Indeed, so many tragedies in the US’ history, many in the years since 9/11, and yet Paul couldn’t think of any. The very epitome of a political hack.

One might even say the very model of a modern major asshat.

139 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:04:19pm

re: #137 Feline Fearless Leader

Is that the one they have to pry open and then prop open with a stick since it’s gaze is fatal to liberals?
/

No, its stare is fatal to logic. It hits any sane people, liberal, moderate or conservative. It doesn’t hurt moonbats, though; Instead they’re mesmerized by the promise of their weed being legalized.

140 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:04:35pm

Congrats on the front page promotion, ww. Great job!

141 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:04:38pm

ikea’s swedish meatballs taste like ertbolle

give me frikadeller ennytime

142 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:05:11pm

re: #138 EPR-radar

One might even say the very model of a modern major asshat.

Nice use of Gilbert and Sullivan there.

143 dragonath  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:05:52pm
144 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:05:59pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

No, its stare is fatal to logic. It hits any sane people, liberal, moderate or conservative. It doesn’t hurt moonbats, though; Instead they’re mesmerized by the promise of their weed being legalized.

Dude, legal weed! Ron Paul!!!

145 freetoken  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:06:13pm

Compared to the War of the Rebellion (aka “Civil War”), all other “tragedies” in US history pale, IMO. The Rebellion was the literal (and here I use that word correctly) break up the United States of America. After the War, the “US” was a different country in so many ways.

Benghazi has become nothing other than a shiny bobble for a sick and twisted sub-set of American media entrepreneurs, who have discovered a way to get a reliable million set of viewer-eyes audience.

The “War on Drugs” has been much more devastating to this country than Benghazi.

146 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:06:51pm

Captain Picard really wants to be left alone on his day off.

147 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:08:16pm

lie down with lingonberries, get up with fleissen

148 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:09:32pm

Any time someone mentions “Ron Paul” and “decriminalization” in my presence, my eyes roll faster than a slot machine in Vegas. If you’re that gullible, then I got a bridge to sell.

149 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:09:49pm

re: #145 freetoken

Actually, comparison to the civil war was ruled out by the “since 9/11” of Paul’s original blather. However, any single week of the war of drugs probably has a higher body count than Behghazi.

150 jaunte  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:11:47pm

Jon Stewart just pantsed Paul Ryan.

151 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:12:07pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

No, its stare is fatal to logic. It hits any sane people, liberal, moderate or conservative. It doesn’t hurt moonbats, though; Instead they’re mesmerized by the promise of their weed being legalized.

For anyone not quite catching the reference, it is to Irish mythology.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

152 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:14:28pm

re: #149 EPR-radar

Actually, comparison to the civil war was ruled out by the “since 9/11” of Paul’s original blather. However, any single week of the war of drugs probably has a higher body count than Behghazi.

Yeah, that’s what gets me, 20 kids getting killed in the span of a couple hours is not worth getting worked up over or exploiting for political gain. But 4 people killed in one night? IMPEACH!!!

153 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:15:56pm

Captain Obvious strikes again..

154 BongCrodny  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:16:28pm

re: #143 dragonath

No one laughs at Lincoln…

and lives

That “laughing Nixon” is giving me the creeps.

155 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:16:57pm

re: #153 Mich-again

Captain Obvious strikes again..

Thanks man, that was a mental image I could have done without.

156 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:17:05pm

David Frum: Women in combat will push down military qualifications

Frum, an editor at Newsweek and The Daily Beast, explained on CNN that he had three reasons why women shouldn’t be in combat.

“The first is, as we have already seen with the expansion of the roles of women, steady downward pressure on military qualifications — reductions in strength and endurance requirements in order to get numbers up,” he said.

“The second is the risk of harm to female personnel,” Frum continued. “The people we are likely to meet on the next battlefield are people who use rape and sexual abuse as actual tools of politics. In Iranian prisons, rape is a frequent practice. Women are raped before they are executed. In Iran, in Pakistan, in Afghanistan rape is a conscious tool of subjugation and it is something women will be exposed to. In the name of equal opportunity they will face unequal risk.”

“And the third point, one I think we should give real thought to, is the stress on military families. We already lose a lot of officers at the major and colonel level because of the strained families. For those military spouses who are not in combat, who are not deployed, this is one more reason to worry about the high rate of family breakup we see among military personnel.”

Exactly the kind of horseshit I expect from Frum.

157 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:17:34pm

re: #152 Targetpractice

Yeah, that’s what gets me, 20 kids getting killed in the span of a couple hours is not worth getting worked up over or exploiting for political gain. But 4 people killed in one night? IMPEACH!!!

The thing I keep coming back to in Benghazi is what the report on it did: Once the attack had begun, the US didn’t have any real rescue options. Any rescue attempt would have had too high a chance of failure and for all we knew the attack was a trap for any relief force.

158 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:17:37pm

re: #152 Targetpractice

Yeah, that’s what gets me, 20 kids getting killed in the span of a couple hours is not worth getting worked up over or exploiting for political gain. But 4 people killed in one night? IMPEACH!!!

I haven’t forgotten Romney’s smirk after his “dance on the corpses before they are cold” press conference on Benghazi.

How dare the Republicans try to manufacture a scandal out of Benghazi after pulling that %^&%.

159 freetoken  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:19:08pm

re: #149 EPR-radar

Yes, I agree.

Yet it is Paul’s very utterance of “9/11” which I am calling into question here.

Comparing Benghazi to 9/11 is an attempt yet again to demean Susan Rice’s initial statements about Benghazi. After all, if 9/11 was obviously a “terrorist attack” then obviously Benghazi was one too, no?

Anyway, Paul is treading on the memory of 9/11 because it still has purchase among the American electorate, who normally forget events mere weeks after they happen.

The truth is before and after 9/11 the US has been attacked by terrorists many times. It was only the method and scale (the quantity of victims) of the attack on 9/11 which makes it stand out, and at the time was so shocking it provided the political will for GWB to go into two wars simultaneously in Asia.

Demagogues will use the corpses of 9/11 whenever they see fit to manipulate the American public.

160 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:22:36pm

Is it just me or does every married man know what it feels like to get yelled at by a woman who has had it up to here with your stupid nonsense. I’m surprised Senator Ron Johnson didn’t instinctively reply “Yes Dear”.

161 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:24:29pm

re: #160 Mich-again

Is it just me or does every married man know what it feels like to get yelled at by a woman who has had it up to here with your stupid nonsense. I’m surprised Senator Ron Johnson didn’t instinctively reply “Yes Dear”.

That’s why he had to go on a friendly radio program right afterwards to man up about not being affected at all. And to claim that it was female emotional manipulation by Clinton.

162 freetoken  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:24:46pm

re: #156 Kragar

All sorts of “conservatives” are having kittens over the decision.

One of Mullah Mohler’s minions is whimpering about the loss of manhood or something:

Women in Combat and the Undoing of Civilization

[…]

Everyone in America ought to be scandalized by this news, but I’m wondering if it will even register on the radar of anyone’s conscience. To the extent that it doesn’t, we reveal just how far gone we are as a people. God help us.

Patriarchy dies hard.

163 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:25:22pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

The thing I keep coming back to in Benghazi is what the report on it did: Once the attack had begun, the US didn’t have any real rescue options. Any rescue attempt would have had too high a chance of failure and for all we knew the attack was a trap for any relief force.

I haven’t no problem at all imagining the sort of Republican response had a rescue attempt been made and failed spectacularly. It would have been Obama’s Eagle Claw, which in a lot of ways is what the wingnuts have tried (and failed) to portray what actually happened as. The sight of American soldiers dead, their equipment either in ruins or being acquired by the militiamen, and the political fallout of rushing a military force into Libya without any prior notice would have been impossible to defuse. Instead of having Romney look like an idiot for disputing the minor details, it would have been Romney rightfully asking out loud if a president who is willing to sacrifice soldiers on a fool’s errand is the kind who can be trusted with the responsibility of being Commander-in-Chief.

164 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:29:18pm

Women have already been on the frontline for the last decade. Letting them serve in more fields hurts nothing.

165 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:30:37pm

re: #164 Kragar

Women have already been on the frontline for the last decade. Letting them serve in more fields hurts nothing.

Frum’s whole little rant would have been more believable if he’d just shrunk it down to “Too many men can’t accept that women are not put on this planet to make them sandwiches.”

166 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:31:45pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

I haven’t no problem at all imagining the sort of Republican response had a rescue attempt been made and failed spectacularly. It would have been Obama’s Eagle Claw, which in a lot of ways is what the wingnuts have tried (and failed) to portray what actually happened as. The sight of American soldiers dead, their equipment either in ruins or being acquired by the militiamen, and the political fallout of rushing a military force into Libya without any prior notice would have been impossible to defuse. Instead of having Romney look like an idiot for disputing the minor details, it would have been Romney rightfully asking out loud if a president who is willing to sacrifice soldiers on a fool’s errand is the kind who can be trusted with the responsibility of being Commander-in-Chief.

Good depiction of the wingnut wet dream relating to Benghazi. That scenario would certainly have gotten Romney elected, and probably led to a further 20-30 years of chronic Democratic “weak on defense” perception issues.

The desire to do a re-run of Reagan vs. Carter was very evident.

They still haven’t gotten over the fact that Obama got bin Laden. If Bush had done that while in office, his smirk would be gracing Mt. Rushmore.

167 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:33:55pm

re: #165 Targetpractice

Frum’s whole little rant would have been more believable if he’d just shrunk it down to “Too many men can’t accept that women are not put on this planet to make them sandwiches.”

Every woman serving as a tanker or in an artillery battery means another man who can be allocated to a pure infantry unit.

Man up, you wimps.

168 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:34:00pm

Oh yeah, trainwreck half brother is in jail tonight for DUI, three weeks after spending two months in the hospital for osteomyelitis. The family has all decided jail is the best place for him, nobody’s bailing him out. At least there he can’t drink and will get whatever medical care he needs.

169 dragonath  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:37:26pm

The enlightened morons over at the National Review are saying “feminism is setting military policy”.

And how about some extra misogyny, via the comments…

While men of my generation were being drafted to die in Vietnam for no reason, their sisters went on to become feminists and compalin about the patriarchy, eventually getting gender preferences in the higher-paying professions. Draft them. Now. I was just thinking that it’s time to invade Russia again. In winter.

Yeah, issues.

170 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:40:16pm

re: #167 Kragar

Every woman serving as a tanker or in an artillery battery means another man who can be allocated to a pure infantry unit.

Man up, you wimps.

What got me was his little ditty at number one about “lowered standards.” Perhaps he should stop and considered that the lowered standards in the last decade alone were because the previous administration was so desperate to increase manpower in the wake of their foolish decision to run two wars on the cheap that they needed any warm bodies they could get, including gang members and white supremacists.

171 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:40:33pm

re: #169 dragonath

The enlightened morons over at the National Review are saying “feminism is setting military policy”.

And how about some extra misogyny, via the comments…

Yeah, issues.

They complain about women wanting to serve in front line combat units while their big hero is a pants shitting draft dodger with a gun fetish.

172 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:41:18pm

re: #169 dragonath

Cave man commenter needs to have his talking point generator tuned up. Since when does the NRO commentariat acknowledge that people died in Vietnam for nothing? Partial credit is given for considering only US deaths.

173 dragonath  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:42:01pm

Also, check out that monster Gatestone Institute ad that the National Review is running on the right side of the page. They’re not even trying to hide their bigotry.

174 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:42:33pm

Good night Lizards.

Off to bed while one cat snoozes on the couch and the other sits on the window sill doing the Henri “I despise you all” routine.

175 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:43:24pm

re: #174 Feline Fearless Leader

Good night Lizards.

Off to bed while one cat snoozes on the couch and the other sits on the window sill doing the Henri “I despise you all” routine.

And gets petted for it. It is often good to be the cat.

176 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:48:05pm

re: #168 goddamnedfrank

Oh yeah, trainwreck half brother is in jail tonight for DUI, three weeks after spending two months in the hospital for osteomyelitis. The family has all decided jail is the best place for him, nobody’s bailing him out. At least there he can’t drink and will get whatever medical care he needs.

Jail might well be his proper place, at least until he can get clean.

177 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:50:26pm

re: #173 dragonath

Also, check out that monster Gatestone Institute ad that the National Review is running on the right side of the page. They’re not even trying to hide their bigotry.

It didn’t come up for me, so it might be a Google ad.

178 jaunte  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:52:04pm

Someone’s man card is threatened.

179 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:52:47pm

re: #178 jaunte

Someone’s man card is threatened.

He should run out and buy a Bushmaster rifle, then it’ll be reissued!

//

180 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:53:08pm

re: #178 jaunte

Someone’s man card is threatened.

Tucker Carlson’s Man Card got revoked years ago for his favoring of bow ties.

181 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:53:23pm

Related to the original topic, the Columbine massacre could have been much worse than it was.

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold had been planning it for over a year. The original plan was for a bombing that was intended to eclipse Oklahoma City. Harris had determined, down to the minute, the exact time of day that the school cafeteria would be most heavily populated. They planted large bombs near support-bearing columns in the cafeteria, and set timers. The idea was to cause the library to collapse onto the cafeteria. They expected to wait outside the school and shoot people as they fled the building.

They had also rigged their cars with explosives, timed to go off somewhat later, when they estimated the parking lot would be full of emergency personnel and media. They expected to be dead when those went off. The main reason the Columbine body count wasn’t in the hundreds was because Eric Harris was terrible at building bombs.

They had both been in trouble with the law prior to the massacre, and the local law enforcement was well aware of death threats Harris had made against another student over the course of months. A grand jury found that the Jefferson County sheriff’s department deliberately destroyed records indicating that they were fully aware months before the massacre that Harris and Klebold had been making pipe bombs and detonating them, making death threats, etc, and that pretty much nothing had been done about it.

There seems to be a trend nowadays to avoid talking about the perpetrator(s) whenever there’s yet another massacre. Ostensibly, this is to avoid “glorifying” the killer. But I can’t help thinking that some would find it entirely convenient to avoid putting too much information about the perpetrators and their history under the spotlight.

182 jaunte  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:53:34pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

His problem is above the neck.

183 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:53:59pm
184 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:54:59pm

re: #178 jaunte

Equality means taking the bad along with the good, dingbat Mr. Carlson.

In case you need it spelled out, Mr. Carlson, as soon as some group of people is protected from a hazard, the people that are exposed to that hazard are going to get certain privileges. You can refer to all of recorded history for innumerable examples.

185 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:56:10pm

re: #178 jaunte

@TuckerCarlson Feminism’s latest victory: the right to get your limbs blown off in war. Congratulations.

Someone’s man card is threatened.

Image: 112412-tammy-duckworth-800.JPG

186 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:56:37pm

re: #182 jaunte

His problem is above the neck.

True. But bowties are one of the very few fashion statements I feel comfortable mocking.

187 jaunte  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:57:37pm
188 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:58:40pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

Tucker Carlson’s Man Card got revoked years ago for his favoring of bow ties.

Hey now, bow ties are cool. Ask the Doctor.

189 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:59:08pm

re: #178 jaunte

Someone’s man card is threatened.

Because Tucker Carlson, war hero, was ready to face the enemy as every turn…

190 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:59:23pm

re: #188 Targetpractice

Hey now, bow ties are cool. Ask the Doctor.

The man makes the tie.

191 dragonath  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:59:29pm

Who would have ever thought that DADT and the front line combat ban would end 8 years ago? No wonder the atavistic whackos are going nuts.

192 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 8:59:47pm

re: #185 Interesting Times

Someone’s man card is threatened.

Image: 112412-tammy-duckworth-800.JPG

Point to remember: If we’d sent helicopters to Benghazi and the terrorists had SA-24s, some of the people we sent likely would have suffered as Tammy Duckworth did. That should be remembered when evaluating the President’s actions.

193 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:00:02pm

re: #189 Kragar

Because Tucker Carlson, war hero, was ready to face the enemy as every turn…

…when danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled…

194 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:00:28pm

re: #191 dragonath

Who would have ever thought that DADT and the front line combat ban would end 8 years ago? No wonder the atavistic whackos are going nuts.

Shit, the sort of stuff that’s happened in the last 4 years alone has been shocking. It’s amazing the progress made when a Democrat wins the presidency.

195 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:01:15pm

re: #193 EPR-radar

…when danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled…

Well, give him this much, he didn’t shit his drawers for a week to avoid being drafted. Yes, I’m looking at you over there, Nugent.

196 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:01:52pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

Jail might well be his proper place, at least until he can get clean.

Pro tip: it’s easier to get hard drugs in jail than it is on the street. If you’ve met a jailer, you’ve met a corrupt jailer.

197 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:03:12pm
198 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:03:22pm

re: #195 Targetpractice

Well, give him this much, he didn’t shit his drawers for a week to avoid being drafted. Yes, I’m looking at you over there, Nugent.

And Ted Nugent is now somehow transformed into the Manliest Man among Men of All Time because he spouts the wingnut talking points du jour. Very strange.

199 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:03:37pm

re: #196 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Pro tip: it’s easier to get hard drugs in jail than it is on the street. If you’ve met a jailer, you’ve met a corrupt jailer.

In this guy’s case, from what GDF says, he uses booze.

And you don’t need to tell me about jail corruption; I live in Cook County.

200 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:03:54pm

re: #189 Kragar

Because Tucker Carlson, war hero, was ready to face the enemy as every turn…

Decided to make a bit more use of the photo I posted above:

201 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:04:12pm

re: #198 EPR-radar

And Ted Nugent is now somehow transformed into the Manliest Man among Men of All Time because he spouts the wingnut talking points du jour. Very strange.

He’s got a machine gun, that means he’s the one-eyed man in the kingdom of the blind.

/

202 jaunte  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:05:10pm

re: #200 Interesting Times

Image: boromeme.jpg

203 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:05:41pm

re: #201 Targetpractice

He’s got a machine gun, that means he’s the one-eyed man in the kingdom of the blind.

/

Splendid phallic image.

204 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:06:33pm

re: #203 EPR-radar

Splendid phallic image.

Freud would be proud.

205 dragonath  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:07:05pm

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

It didn’t come up for me, so it might be a Google ad.

I dunno, it’s showing up on every page I’ve checked out. They are, from top to bottom:

A “Conservative Summit” with Scott Walker, Jindal, and McConnell
Some Obama book by Victor Davis Hanson
Gatestone Institute
Fight 93 Memorial
Mark Steyn’s “Get Ready for Armageddon”

206 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:08:04pm

re: #204 Targetpractice

Freud would be proud aghast.

I think that Sigmund Freud would have been disgusted by Ted Nugent, correctly regarding him as a spoiled and hateful man-child.

207 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:08:40pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

I think that Sigmund Freud would have been disgusted by Ted Nugent, correctly regarding him as a spoiled and hateful man-child.

“Now Ted, tell me about your mother…”

208 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:09:13pm

re: #181 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Bombs are really pretty hard to make. Guns are pretty easy to use. That’s why we get so many people getting murdered with guns, and relatively few with bombs.

209 Gus  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:09:16pm

I guess according to Tucker, all those that served in combat only did so because they wanted a right to have their limbs blown off in war.

210 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:09:33pm

re: #205 dragonath

I dunno, it’s showing up on every page I’ve checked out. They are, from top to bottom:

A “Conservative Summit” with Scott Walker, Jindal, and McConnell
Some Obama book by Victor Davis Hanson
Gatestone Institute
Fight 93 Memorial
Mark Steyn’s “Get Ready for Armageddon”

Not for me, though. Must be Google or some other adaptive advertising.

211 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:09:38pm

re: #207 Targetpractice

“Now Ted, tell me about your mother…”

“Next question, Ted. How rebellious were you during your potty training?”

212 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:10:08pm

re: #205 dragonath

I dunno, it’s showing up on every page I’ve checked out. They are, from top to bottom:

A “Conservative Summit” with Scott Walker, Jindal, and McConnell
Some Obama book by Victor Davis Hanson
Gatestone Institute
Fight 93 Memorial
Mark Steyn’s “Get Ready for Armageddon”


You should take a screenshot and let Charles know. Though he can’t control the ads that come up due to keyword pickup, I think he mentioned something earlier about how certain really egregious ones can be blocked.

Oops. Edited because he wasn’t talking about an ad that appeared on this site.

213 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:11:56pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

Not for me, though. Must be Google or some other adaptive advertising.

I’m not seeing a Gatestone ad at nationalreview.com either. Looks like the verdict here is innocent.

214 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:13:20pm

re: #209 Gus

I guess according to Tucker, all those that served in combat only did so because they wanted a right to have their limbs blown off in war.

He’s a contemptible freak. Many women have already lost limbs in these wars. And Tucker Carlson never served.

215 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:13:53pm

re: #211 EPR-radar

“Next question, Ted. How rebellious were you during your potty training?”

Ted was potty trained?

216 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:14:37pm

re: #215 Kragar

One hopes he is continent at least part of the time.

218 dragonath  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:15:51pm

re: #213 EPR-radar

I’m not seeing a Gatestone ad at nationalreview.com either. Looks like the verdict here is innocent.

Hmm. I took a shot of the page. I’ll just have to find a way to upload it.

219 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:20:09pm

re: #218 dragonath

Hmm. I took a shot of the page. I’ll just have to find a way to upload it.

There’s an “upload image” button right beneath the comment box.

220 Gus  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:20:49pm
221 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:21:01pm

Why do I get this feeling, year after year, that it’s costing me more to get my taxes done than I’m getting back? If the convolution of the tax code is aimed at stuffing the pockets of tax preparers, then mission accomplished.

222 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:21:34pm

Ted Nugent fathered seven kids with five different women, to which only two of whom he was married. I’d say he is a perfect spokesperson for the GOP.

223 dragonath  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:21:42pm

re: #219 Interesting Times

There’s an “upload image” button right beneath the comment box.

Okay, got it.

Image: nrogatestone.jpg

224 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:23:39pm

re: #220 Gus

I thought Tucker liked the idea of women with assault rifles

225 dr. luba  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:23:42pm

re: #76 Vicious Babushka

Funny how most of the shootings seem to occur in population centers. A useful metric, of course, would have been to look at the number of shootings per capita….

226 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:24:37pm

re: #220 Gus

227 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:24:40pm

re: #197 wrenchwench

A memorial sits outside the Griegos’ compound on the 2800 block of Long Lane SW. Nehemiah Griego, 15

Check out that red and blue sign at the center top.

It’s not a “gun thing” with that S&W Security Services sign, it’s a real alarm company.

New York Merchants Protective Company uses the S&W trademarks under license and contracts with independent dealers nationwide to sell systems and services (that NYMPC monitors) under the S&WSS name, much like ADT’s dealer network does.

(I’m in the business and I had to look the particulars up.)

228 jaunte  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:26:45pm
229 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:27:20pm

re: #227 TedStriker

It’s not a “gun thing” with that S&W Security Services sign, it’s a real alarm company.

New York Merchants Protective Company uses the S&W trademarks under license and contracts with independent dealers nationwide to sell systems and services (that NYMPC monitors) under the S&WSS name, much like ADT’s dealer network does.

(I’m in the business and I had to look the particulars up.)

Thank you.

230 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:27:47pm

re: #223 dragonath

Seems to be an ad that is fixed in place by NRO —- I see it when the ‘Hillary Clinton Management Failure’ article is being viewed, but not at the NRO home page.

Further poking reveals that the Gatestone ad seems to be on the Benghazi articles and not on the non-Benghazi article at NROs.

NRO seems to have a pest control problem

231 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:28:58pm

re: #7 SpaceJesus

I also see you guys got Steven Seagal as a deputy or something down there now too. Uh…Congratulations?

Damn, you’re right.

Like any good action-movie hero, he’s back.

Steven Seagal, who has played no-nonsense tough guys in dozens of movies, has been sworn in as a sheriff’s deputy in Doña Ana County in Southern New Mexico.

The 60-year-old martial arts specialist was sworn in by Sheriff Todd Garrison during a brief ceremony Tuesday at sheriff’s headquarters in Las Cruces.

The deputization took place more than a year after Seagal was named a part-time deputy in sparsely populated Hudspeth County in far West Texas.

[…]

Actor Steven Seagal sworn in as Doña Ana County sheriff’s deputy

232 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:29:55pm

Well, it’s looking like Reid’s about to fold yet again. Word is he and McConnell have basically agreed to stab all filibuster-reform efforts in the back by agreeing to laughably modest terms that expire at the end of this Congress. Get ready for another 2 years of absolutely no progress at all.

233 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:31:32pm

re: #217 Kragar

May the “makers and takers shit” be an anvil around the neck of the GOP until they change their policies.

234 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:34:40pm

re: #229 wrenchwench

Thank you.

I’d seen S&WSS’ name before in some trade mags a good while back and thought “Huh, ain’t that something?”, because when one thinks of S&W, you think ‘guns’, not necessarily alarm systems, but it’s not the only alarm company that could make one doubletake.

Stanley (as in tools and hardware) also has a nationwide alarm division (Stanley Convergent Security Solutions) that they own and run, for example. As a matter of fact, SCSS apparently bought Sonitrol, one of the granddaddies of modern electronic security, some time ago and I wasn’t aware of it until now.

235 EPR-radar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:37:52pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

Well, it’s looking like Reid’s about to fold yet again. Word is he and McConnell have basically agreed to stab all filibuster-reform efforts in the back by agreeing to laughably modest terms that expire at the end of this Congress. Get ready for another 2 years of absolutely no progress at all.

Depressing news. It’s just an excuse to fail.

However, this kind of business inherently lapses at the end of every Congress, because its basis is the ability of a new Congress to change rules (including the filibuster) by simple majority vote in the first session. So the 2-year life span does not appear to be an additional helping of fail.

236 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:39:57pm

re: #197 wrenchwench

A memorial sits outside the Griegos’ compound on the 2800 block of Long Lane SW. Nehemiah Griego, 15

Check out that red and blue sign at the center top.

And the ‘Keep Christ in Christmas’ sign on the left.

237 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:40:57pm

re: #235 EPR-radar

Depressing news. It’s just an excuse to fail.

However, this kind of business inherently lapses at the end of every Congress, because its basis is the ability of a new Congress to change rules (including the filibuster) by simple majority vote in the first session. So the 2-year life span does not appear to be an additional helping of fail.

It’s basically Reid putting Senate tradition over getting anything meaningful done. The deal apparently is being brokered more towards getting votes on nominees than actually accomplishing anything. And probably also isn’t helped by Merkeley and his compatriots declaring they have the votes to install the talking filibuster via the constitutional option.

238 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:44:49pm

Sacramento GOP consultant files suit against Lance Armstrong

Sacramento-based Republican strategist Rob Stutzman and local chef Jonathan Wheeler have filed a class-action lawsuit against Lance Armstrong and his publishers, alleging that the infamous cyclist deceived readers in a 2001 best seller.

The 59-page suit lays out various “misrepresentations” in Armstrong’s “It’s Not About the Bike: My Journey Back to Life.” It says Armstrong credited his Tour de France success to training, diet and drive while denying that he ever used banned substances.

The suit was filed Tuesday in Sacramento’s U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of California, alleging unfair business practices, fraud, false advertising and deceit. The complaint seeks, among other things, attorney’s fees and refunds for California customers who purchased the book.

[…]

Hey, I read that book! I wonder what I can get? Darn, I don’t live in California.

239 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:52:39pm

re: #238 wrenchwench

Sacramento GOP consultant files suit against Lance Armstrong

Hey, I read that book! I wonder what I can get? Darn, I don’t live in California.

That steamroller is slowly, but surely, bearing down on Big Tex.

He won’t be able to ride away from what he’s created.

240 freetoken  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 9:55:18pm

Heh, look, a science-topic news wire headline that makes sense and is true:

Neanderthal cloning chatter highlights scientific illiteracy

After spending the weekend reading blog posts claiming that he was seeking an “extremely adventurous female human” to bear a cloned Neanderthal baby - which was news to him - Harvard geneticist George Church said it may be time for society to give some thought to scientific literacy.

[…]

241 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 10:04:07pm

Image: h922657C1.jpg

Later, lizards.

242 efuseakay  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 10:17:32pm

re: #68 dragonath

Cool, so Spartans are role models now? Gotta get guns to hold down some helots!

Sig Sauer had a 1911 special edition. The Spartan. It had that saying on the frame (or maybe the slide) as well as the grip, accompanied with a Spartan helmet. Quite a gorgeous gun, but that’s not really the point. Wait. What was the point again… Sigh it’s after midnight.

243 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 10:29:44pm

re: #242 efuseakay

Sigh it’s after midnight.

So now we can let it all hang out?

244 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 10:31:10pm

re: #243 Kragar

So now we can let it all hang out?

LGF: After Dark?

245 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 10:39:57pm

re: #244 Targetpractice

LGF: After Dark?

Time to vote, who does it better:

Version 1:

or

Version 2:

Choose wisely.

246 gwangung  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 10:48:58pm

re: #237 Targetpractice

It’s basically Reid putting Senate tradition over getting anything meaningful done. The deal apparently is being brokered more towards getting votes on nominees than actually accomplishing anything. And probably also isn’t helped by Merkeley and his compatriots declaring they have the votes to install the talking filibuster via the constitutional option.

Given the number of unfilled positions, I wonder if that was all we could have gotten.

247 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 11:21:16pm

re: #227 TedStriker

austin_blue, did I say/do something to earn a downding? Just scratching my head, given what I posted.

248 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 11:22:30pm

re: #240 freetoken

Heh, look, a science-topic news wire headline that makes sense and is true:

Neanderthal cloning chatter highlights scientific illiteracy

That is an ongoing topic to me: I remember being taught the scientific method in the sixth grade and having it reviewed all throughout high school.

We are often dealing with people who do not understand what a scientifc theory is or how it comes about. And people who think the Bible is a science text.

249 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 11:26:07pm

re: #220 Gus

“The administration boasts about sending women to the front lines on the same day Democrats push the Violence Against Women Act.”

Amazing. I posted the same thing in Wingnut font last nite…

250 Kragar  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 11:27:07pm

re: #248 Sol Berdinowitz

That is an ongoing topic to me: I remember being taught the scientific method in the sixth grade and having it reviewed all throughout high school.

We are often dealing with people who do not understand what a scientifc theory is or how it comes about. And people who think the Bible is a science text.

“There’s your problem, your reference material is 2000 years out of date. Got to check the ‘Use by” label guys. This stuff expired in the 1500s.”

251 freetoken  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 11:29:53pm

re: #248 Sol Berdinowitz

In this case, the chattering was by all sorts of folks, many who have only a magical understanding of “DNA” even though they normally wouldn’t be thought of as creationists.

All sorts of scaremongering of late about genetics.

252 freetoken  Wed, Jan 23, 2013 11:30:19pm

Villa Lobos:

253 Mentis Fugit  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 12:10:24am

re: #188 Targetpractice

Hey now, bow ties are cool. Ask the Doctor.

But in Carlson’s case, it’s just there to stop the foreskin rolling up his neck.

254 Shvaughn  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 12:29:08am

re: #76 Vicious Babushka

Some #TGDN nutjob was so pissed at me for fact-checking their “Gun Violence” map they sent me this map they must have found after frantic drunken Googling, from some blog that nobody ever heard of.

Without normalizing per capita, that’s just a map of the population centers in the U.S. Wingnut fail.

255 Shvaughn  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 12:39:07am

re: #156 Kragar

David Frum: Women in combat will push down military qualifications

Exactly the kind of horseshit I expect from Frum.

Frum was starting to look not so stupid for a while.

Have these people ever looked at the Israeli army before?

256 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 3:21:16am

It’s morning.

I am developing a headache.

you?

257 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 3:22:20am

OMG, my SIL must have been really bored or drunk last night. She went thru my photos on fb and “liked” like 65 of them.

258 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 3:24:12am

I still get Michael Yon’s blurbs on fb. I usually scroll over, but I have to commend this one:

The Women in Combat BS

Women have been in combat since before you and I were born. In Iraq and Afghanistan, I was in combat with women many times with both British and US. Real combat. With bullets flying and blood hitting the ground.

Anyone who tells you that women are not in combat every day of the week is either lying, or was not in enough combat to have an opinion on this matter worth listening to. Bottom line.

259 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 3:27:20am

re: #258 FemNaziBitch

I still get Michael Yon’s blurbs on fb. I usually scroll over, but I have to commend this one:

Women in our armed forces is a matter of consent. but a lot of people have trouble with the concept consent, like those who equate homosexuality with bestiality or spouse abuse.

I guess it is because to their troglodyte way of thinking, women are not supposed to give consent, they are supposed to obey. And to quietly suffer the consequences if they don’t…

260 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 3:35:04am

re: #259 Sol Berdinowitz

Women in our armed forces is a matter of consent. but a lot of people have trouble with the concept consent, like those who equate homosexuality with bestiality or spouse abuse.

I guess it is because to their troglodyte way of thinking, women are not supposed to give consent, they are supposed to obey. And to quietly suffer the consequences if they don’t…

Women are not supposed to be able to give consent. Either because they have inferior (insert body part) or are a sub-species all together.

The same people who will use the Bible for to support such reasoning seem to think that Eve was created as a play-toy for Adam. Forgetting that if Adam were so complete, he wouldn’t have needed a help-mate.

261 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 3:47:22am

The men who populate the Old Testament were patriarchs. Women were just another form of property to be traded against other forms of property: livestock, land or slaves. And that seems to be the standard they wish to apply to modern society.

262 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 3:47:44am

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

Forgetting that if Adam were so complete, he wouldn’t have needed a help-mate.

help-meet
Genesis 2:18

I believe the Hebrew word means ‘One who helps’, someone will correct me if I’m wrong.

263 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 3:57:21am

Help-meet? God fixed him up with a dating service?

264 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:12:14am

re: #262 Usually refered to as anyways

help-meet
Genesis 2:18

I believe the Hebrew word means ‘One who helps’, someone will correct me if I’m wrong.

either way, God recognized that Adam needed help.

265 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:15:43am

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

either way, God recognized that Adam needed help.

Correct.

266 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:16:15am

re: #262 Usually refered to as anyways

help-meet
Genesis 2:18

I believe the Hebrew word means ‘One who helps’, someone will correct me if I’m wrong.

Actually it means “one who helps in opposition.” A lot of Hebrew scholars (not just modern ones) have interpreted this to mean that she was to be his equal, but too many throughout history have ignored this.

267 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:19:01am

re: #266 Vicious Babushka

Actually it means “one who helps in opposition.” A lot of Hebrew scholars (not just modern ones) have interpreted this to mean that she was to be his equal, but too many throughout history have ignored this.

Thank you Alouette,

I googled “one who helps in opposition”, it came up with zero results.
Any clues where I might have a read about that?

Edit, sorry to be clear I googled for the phrase “one who helps in opposition”

268 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:23:18am

re: #267 Usually refered to as anyways

Thank you Alouette,

I googled “one who helps in opposition”, it came up with zero results.
Any clues where I might have a read about that?

The Hebrew word is ezer kenegdo. I Googled it and of course a jumble of assorted results came up. I can approve this one. YMMV.

269 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:23:34am

re: #266 Vicious Babushka

Actually it means “one who helps in opposition.” A lot of Hebrew scholars (not just modern ones) have interpreted this to mean that she was to be his equal, but too many throughout history have ignored this.

yin-yang

270 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:25:38am

The Derp just goes on and on and on.

271 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:25:44am

re: #268 Vicious Babushka

The Hebrew word is ezer kenegdo. I Googled it and of course a jumble of assorted results came up. I can approve this one. YMMV.

That requires way too much brain power for this early in the morning. :)

272 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:27:58am

Speaking of Women. One of my favorite women and one of my favorites of her quotes.

273 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:28:07am

re: #268 Vicious Babushka

The Hebrew word is ezer kenegdo. I Googled it and of course a jumble of assorted results came up. I can approve this one. YMMV.

Thank you Alouette.

274 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:29:08am

So, we have a consensus:

Man is not complete within himself.

(complete as in perfect)

275 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:31:07am
276 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:34:47am

“One who helps in opposition” makes a lot of sense the longer I think about it.

Actually, explains a lot of male-female interaction.

277 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:37:48am

TEH STUPID IT BURNS

278 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:39:00am

re: #277 Vicious Babushka

TEH STUPID IT BURNS

I’m so tired of it. I think “people” just like to argue —and don’t really care about getting anything done to alleviate the cause of the argument.

279 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:39:14am

LOL at the spelling mistakes.

280 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:40:08am

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

I’m so tired of it. I think “people” just like to argue —and don’t really care about getting anything done to alleviate the cause of the argument.

None of them give a shit about the people who died in Benghazi, except that it’s a club they think they can use to beat POTUS and SOS.

281 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:46:05am

ew


The offal truth about American haggis

“Without the sheep’s lung it’s not authentic,” he says. “It’s too sausagey. It lacks the lightness the lungs help create.”

282 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:47:03am

re: #281 FemNaziBitch

ew

The offal truth about American haggis

I’d rather eat gefilte fish.

283 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:48:37am

They’re back to Godwinning


I am not going to count Godwins any more. It’s just too depressing. Also it’s the same ones getting retweeted over and over. #TGDN totally lacks any kind of originality.

284 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:50:29am

re: #282 Vicious Babushka

I’d rather eat gefilte fish.

You can have them both.

I’ll stick to fresh coffee, cream and sugar as my core diet.

285 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:52:26am

I’m wondering which blog Ludwig has gone to now that he’s finished here. His ego wouldn’t let him go to the stalkers. I think maybe Gwyneth Paltrow’s FAT PEOPLE SUCK blog.

286 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:55:03am

DERP

287 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:55:27am

re: #285 Vicious Babushka

I’m wondering which blog Ludwig has gone to now that he’s finished here. His ego wouldn’t let him go to the stalkers. I think maybe Gwyneth Paltrow’s FAT PEOPLE SUCK blog.

I missed that he left for good. why?

288 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:56:22am

Good morning lizards!

289 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:56:39am

re: #287 FemNaziBitch

I missed that he left for good. why?

The meltdown takes place here.

290 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:00:14am

re: #274 FemNaziBitch

So, we have a consensus:

Man is not complete without woman.

I know some gay men that would dispute that!!

(just sayin’!)

291 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:05:18am

re: #289 Vicious Babushka

The meltdown takes place here.

Ok, well that was just plain strange.

I’ve learned I have little control over my own weight. For some reason my body does what it wants.

When I am overweight, I can’t lose. When I am underweight, I can’t gain.

It seems to be some mixture of anxiety and hormones.

I quit trying to change things and I’m much happier as a result.

I know a family whose girls are athletic and have PERFECT bodies until they hit 25. Married with children or not, they all start gaining and gaining and gaining-. By the time they hit 40 they are the traditional Polish ‘sturdy” women archetype. Still active, eating perfectly wonderfully healthy diets, no alcohol.

(although I do think the empty calories in alcohol accompanied by the lethargy that seems to come from habitual drinking, accounts for a lot of obesity—it doesn’t account for most of it)

No good comes from applying moral standards to body weight.

292 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:06:04am

re: #290 sattv4u2

I know some gay men that would dispute that!!

(just sayin’!)

Still everyone wants someone to love.

Can we stick with the biblical argument?

LOL

293 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:06:52am

re: #289 Vicious Babushka

The meltdown takes place here.

Wow, what an asshole. I am surprised he lasted as long as he did. This isn’t the first time he had a blowout about something.

294 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:07:17am

re: #291 FemNaziBitch

Ok, well that was just plain strange.

I’ve learned I have little control over my own weight. For some reason my body does what it wants.

When I am overweight, I can’t lose. When I am underweight, I can’t gain.

It seems to be some mixture of anxiety and hormones.

I quit trying to change things and I’m much happier as a result.

I know a family whose girls are athletic and have PERFECT bodies until they hit 25. Married with children or not, they all start gaining and gaining and gaining-. By the time they hit 40 they are the traditional Polish ‘sturdy” women archetype. Still active, eating perfectly wonderfully healthy diets, no alcohol.

(although I do think the empty calories in alcohol accompanied by the lethargy that seems to come from habitual drinking, accounts for a lot of obesity—it doesn’t account for most of it)

No good comes from applying moral standards to body weight.

People are different.

Blaming overweight people for their own obesity is like blaming poor people for their own poverty. No one intentionally chooses to be fat or poor. Sure, it can be caused by a cascade of poor choices, but combined with circumstances beyond one’s control.

295 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:08:44am

The #TGDN wingnuts believe that poverty is a lifestyle choice, caused by Obama giving away “free stuff.” What a bunch of freaking morons.

296 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:08:49am

re: #291 FemNaziBitch

I eat all the wrong foods, lots of fat and calories, and I am not fat. I could probably lose 5 lbs but I don’t think I will ever be obese.

297 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:13:26am

re: #295 Vicious Babushka

The #TGDN wingnuts believe that poverty is a lifestyle choice, caused by Obama giving away “free stuff.” What a bunch of freaking morons.

“Choice” inherently includes education and thought, which doesn’t apply to individuals just trying to get thru the day, day after day, year after year.

“Life Happens” is a valid reason.

298 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:15:20am

SICKENING

299 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:19:41am

re: #298 Vicious Babushka

This is arrested development. Sushi and Malaria? Really? I’ve heard wittier quips from 5 yr olds. Idiots.

300 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:29:59am
301 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:30:09am

Asshole.

re: #175 Mad Prophet Ludwig

re: #164 Vicious Babushka

I had a burger for dinner.

That’s why you are fat honey.

302 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:34:04am

re: #301 NJDhockeyfan

Asshole.

I wonder what set him off on his final implosion? He talked about his girlfriend here, maybe she broke up with him on account of him being an abusive control freak. Or maybe there never was a girlfriend.

303 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:38:28am

There just isn’t enough coffee.

Russia Orders Obama: Tell World About Aliens, Or We Will

ROTFLAMO

304 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:39:09am

re: #302 Vicious Babushka

I wonder what set him off on his final implosion? He talked about his girlfriend here, maybe she broke up with him on account of him being an abusive control freak. Or maybe there never was a girlfriend.

He was “set off” many times before. Thing is (imho) some of the times he went off like that most here agreed with him vs. whoever the target du jour was or the topic. He had an epic battle with Jimmah and Ice (amongst others) about the “sexuality” of female TV reporters.

305 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:39:51am

re: #304 sattv4u2

He was “set off” many times before. Thing is (imho) some of the times he went off like that most here agreed with him vs. whoever the target du jour was or the topic. He had an epic battle with Jimmah and Ice (amongst others) about the “sexuality” of female TV reporters.

the DRAMA!

306 Petero1818  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:40:21am

re: #291 FemNaziBitch

Ok, well that was just plain strange.

I’ve learned I have little control over my own weight. For some reason my body does what it wants.

When I am overweight, I can’t lose. When I am underweight, I can’t gain.

It seems to be some mixture of anxiety and hormones.

I quit trying to change things and I’m much happier as a result.

I know a family whose girls are athletic and have PERFECT bodies until they hit 25. Married with children or not, they all start gaining and gaining and gaining-. By the time they hit 40 they are the traditional Polish ‘sturdy” women archetype. Still active, eating perfectly wonderfully healthy diets, no alcohol.

(although I do think the empty calories in alcohol accompanied by the lethargy that seems to come from habitual drinking, accounts for a lot of obesity—it doesn’t account for most of it)

No good comes from applying moral standards to body weight.

I read through that page and what I found reminded me of many discussions with absolutists and zealots of every persuasion. It was clear to me that the individual had a personal experience that led to a personal weight loss and attempted to extrapolate based on that personal experience. For the writer, obesity was a choice. As it certainly is for many but is not for many others. The general principle of burning more calories than taking does in fact lead to weight loss. However, the efficiency by which a person burns calories differs greatly among people. Some, as was discussed, burn energy lying down while others would have to work out 3 hours a day to achieve the same metabolic rate.
There are many things contributing to the epidemic of obesity. Some of those things are poor choices. Changes in lifestyle. Changes in the production of food (genetically modified wheat and high fructose corn syrup as staples of the diet). Government farm subsidies which make processed fatty foods cheaper than fresh vegetables.
Urban planners than design lifestyle around cars rather than communities navigable by bike or foot. TV / offices / video games, school budgets for athletics slashed. There are plenty of explanations.

The odds are stacked against us. So thin people will be one of two categories. Either they are people with naturally high metabolic rates that are able to burn more energy than others with the same life choices, or those that work harder at burning energy or consuming fewer calories and less fat.

People on the whole should be guilted in to ceasing the poor lifestyle choices that can lead to obesity. I have no problem with that as it is necessary to counter all the messages and realities that are pushing in the opposite direction. But that does not mean that all obese people are weak willed and simply incapable of making the tough decisions. Such a conclusion reminds me of fundamentalists that seek to argue that one must accept Jesus for salvation and that it is the only way.

Absolutism is rarely effective as a debating skill.

307 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:40:47am

I would say there are more RWNJ’s who worship at the feet of Koch

308 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:41:59am

re: #304 sattv4u2

He was “set off” many times before. Thing is (imho) some of the times he went off like that most here agreed with him vs. whoever the target du jour was or the topic. He had an epic battle with Jimmah and Ice (amongst others) about the “sexuality” of female TV reporters.

The Temple Mount. Ranting and raving like some Kahanist maniac.

309 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:42:23am

re: #306 Petero1818

I have a hard time with guilt being used as a valid motivational technique.

310 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 5:46:40am

Well, my Cat Overlord says I can join the Dogs and go back to bed.

He doesn’t approve that they determine when we wake for feeding and going-out purposes. He agrees, they should wait until he is ready.

311 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:01:08am

re: #307 Vicious Babushka

Another made up thing. I have never met anyone who worships at the feet of Soros, or anyone else for that matter.

You know wingnuts, if you have to make shit up in order to have something to fight about, you are doing it really, really WRONG.

312 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:02:10am

re: #311 A Mom Anon

Another made up thing. I have never met anyone who worships at the feet of Soros, or anyone else for that matter.

You know wingnuts, if you have to make shit up in order to have something to fight about, you are doing it really, really WRONG.

It is actually projection, because RWNJ’s worship at the feet of TEH JRRB KRAYTORS.

313 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:03:39am

DUMBASS, this is NOT a good thing. (Only someone who worships at the altar of TEH JRRB KRAYTERS would think it is “a good thing”)

314 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:05:39am

re: #304 sattv4u2

He was “set off” many times before. Thing is (imho) some of the times he went off like that most here agreed with him vs. whoever the target du jour was or the topic. He had an epic battle with Jimmah and Ice (amongst others) about the “sexuality” of female TV reporters.

That was the thread where he went all misogynist on women and called the women on Fox News ‘filthy, repulsive, gutter sluts’ and ‘whores’. I think he was put in a time out for that.

315 Interesting Times  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:05:45am

re: #313 Vicious Babushka

Like anti-vaxxers rejoicing at fewer and fewer parents vaccinating their kids. Healthy unions = herd immunity for those who’d be even worse off in right-to-be-fired-for-whatever-reason states.

316 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:06:34am
317 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:06:45am

Got training today.

Later.

318 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:13:09am
319 Petero1818  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:13:15am

re: #309 FemNaziBitch

I have a hard time with guilt being used as a valid motivational technique.

I can accept that. It works for some and not for others. Perhaps the more correct phrase should have been ” We should use every tool at our disposal to encourage people to cease the poor lifestyle choices that can lead to obesity.”

320 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:18:37am
321 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:21:33am

This was inevitable:

322 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:24:38am

Good morning Lizards.

The new Feline Overlords survived the night. They were glad to see me this morning and were glad to get additional attention. One of them has complained already about not liking the food selection (but she’s overweight and will have to put up with it for a little while.) It appears they are getting along so far, though there is still some growling and spitting when they come in close contact and are not playing. Will check on them at lunch time.

On other fronts the person who thanked me about correcting him about the FB link to a Today show video about Lanza just using handguns deleted the link from his FB feed last night. Have yet to see if the other person using that link has reacted to my comment offering a correction yet.

323 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:33:25am

re: #321 Lidane

This was inevitable:

I hope Armstrong saved enough money for an army of lawyers, because it sounds like he’s going to be spending a lot of time with them over the next few years.

324 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:33:40am

re: #301 NJDhockeyfan

Asshole.

That’s why you are fat honey.

LVQ, wtf man???
Sheesh.

325 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:38:43am

re: #318 Lidane

326 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:40:29am

What honeymoon? The 2008 Democratic primaries were the reason the GOP foisted Caribou Barbie on the rest of us, and if Hillary runs in 2016, they’ll resurrect every Clinton scandal they can along with BENGHAZI ZOMG to use against her:

327 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:41:59am

re: #324 Varek Raith

LVQ, wtf man???
Sheesh.

“He’s dead, Jim”

328 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:44:32am

re: #324 Varek Raith

LVQ, wtf man???
Sheesh.

Weirdest implosion ever.

I mean, it’s one thing for someone to get emotionally invested in a political debate and say things they regret, or maybe the mask drops and they flounce in dramatic fashion over some major issue. But that whole conversation and thread are so bizarre. WTF.

329 Petero1818  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:45:53am

re: #328 Lidane

Weirdest implosion ever.

I mean, it’s one thing for someone to get emotionally invested in a political debate and say things they regret, or maybe the mask drops and they flounce in dramatic fashion over some major issue. But that whole conversation and thread are so bizarre. WTF.

Nothing a few days alone with Richard Simmons wouldn’t cure./

330 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:46:06am


Yeah, OK, let those who don’t want to pay dues, not pay dues. BUT they don’t get to enjoy any of the benefits that were earned by collective bargaining.

331 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:46:48am

re: #328 Lidane

It’s hardly the first time gone loopy though.

332 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:46:56am

*facepalm*

333 Petero1818  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:47:35am

re: #332 Lidane

*facepalm*

Not that girls are weak or anything….//

334 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:48:38am

The DERP is powerful All Hail TEH DERP

335 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:49:14am

re: #332 Lidane

336 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:49:23am

re: #332 Lidane

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

337 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:50:06am

re: #332 Lidane

*facepalm*

I’ll let you wingnuts in on a secret.
Woman have been in combat.
Direct, violent combat.

338 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:50:48am

re: #328 Lidane

Weirdest implosion ever.

I mean, it’s one thing for someone to get emotionally invested in a political debate and say things they regret, or maybe the mask drops and they flounce in dramatic fashion over some major issue. But that whole conversation and thread are so bizarre. WTF.

Check out the one NJD linked to in #314

339 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:51:53am

THIS DOESN’T EVEN MAKE ANY FREAKING SENSE.

340 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:52:40am

re: #332 Lidane

*facepalm*

Of course this dipshit doesn’t realize there’s a reason women have the children. It’s because they’re tough as nails. Not to mention he’s obviously never seen a woman fight. You’d think this sack of shit would respect anybody who wants to fight for their fellow Americans, but apparently with the religious/conservative/hardcore wingnuts, hating women is always their most important agenda.

341 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:52:43am

[Link: firstread.nbcnews.com…]

Mr Orange treads the path of fear-mongering. The GOP’s decline has nothing to do with their chosen policies of course.

342 iossarian  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:54:23am

re: #332 Lidane

*facepalm*

Sure Brian. It’s all about feminizing people. Feminizing and weakening them. Weakening and feminizing.

Anything else you’d like to talk about, Brian?

343 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:54:24am

The Godwins are getting really lame.

344 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:54:34am

re: #341 Feline Fearless Leader

[Link: firstread.nbcnews.com…]

Mr Orange treads the path of fear-mongering. The GOP’s decline has nothing to do with their chosen policies of course.

That’s rich coming from a party who spent the last 4 years trying to annihilate Obama.
Pansies.

345 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:55:53am

re: #339 Vicious Babushka

THIS DOESN’T EVEN MAKE ANY FREAKING SENSE.

They’ve selectively edited history to fit their agenda, made things up out of thin-air, and now, apparently, they’re redefining words.

346 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:57:25am

Heh. Out in Colorado, St. Thomas More Hospital, operated by Catholic Health Initiatives, argues its way out of a wrongful death lawsuit by claiming fetus isn’t a person.

The lead defendant in the case is Catholic Health Initiatives, the Englewood-based nonprofit that runs St. Thomas More Hospital as well as roughly 170 other health facilities in 17 states. Last year, the hospital chain reported national assets of $15 billion. The organization’s mission, according to its promotional literature, is to “nurture the healing ministry of the Church” and to be guided by “fidelity to the Gospel.” Toward those ends, Catholic Health facilities seek to follow the Ethical and Religious Directives of the Catholic Church authored by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. Those rules have stirred controversy for decades, mainly for forbidding non-natural birth control and abortions. “Catholic health care ministry witnesses to the sanctity of life ‘from the moment of conception until death,’” the directives state. “The Church’s defense of life encompasses the unborn.”

The directives can complicate business deals for Catholic Health, as they can for other Catholic health care providers, partly by spurring political resistance. In 2011, the Kentucky attorney general and governor nixed a plan in which Catholic Health sought to merge with and ultimately gain control of publicly funded hospitals in Louisville. The officials were reacting to citizen concerns that access to reproductive and end-of-life services would be curtailed. According to The Denver Post, similar fears slowed the Sisters of Charity of Leavenworth’s plan over the last few years to buy out Exempla Lutheran Medical Center and Exempla Good Samaritan Medical Center in the Denver metro area.

But when it came to mounting a defense in the Stodghill case, Catholic Health’s lawyers effectively turned the Church directives on their head. Catholic organizations have for decades fought to change federal and state laws that fail to protect “unborn persons,” and Catholic Health’s lawyers in this case had the chance to set precedent bolstering anti-abortion legal arguments. Instead, they are arguing state law protects doctors from liability concerning unborn fetuses on grounds that those fetuses are not persons with legal rights.

347 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:57:29am

greed
noun
excessive or rapacious desire, especially for wealth or possessions.

348 darthstar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:58:37am

Mornin’ everyone.

Sad day yesterday…I had to say good-bye to Bflat. Rest in peace, my gin loving friend.

Image: 408254_10151386663408024_1068447874_n.jpg

349 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:00:33am

re: #346 lawhawk

Heh. Out in Colorado, St. Thomas More Hospital, operated by Catholic Health Initiatives, argues its way out of a wrongful death lawsuit by claiming fetus isn’t a person.

So a Catholic hospital is now arguing that a fetus isn’t a person?

I’m sure that will go over well in Rome.

350 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:01:11am

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

351 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:01:15am

re: #348 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone.

Sad day yesterday…I had to say good-bye to Bflat. Rest in peace, my gin loving friend.

Image: 408254_10151386663408024_1068447874_n.jpg

:(

My condolences.

352 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:01:37am

Somewhere out there, the goldbugs are blogging about this:

353 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:01:58am

re: #349 Lidane

So a Catholic hospital is now arguing that a fetus isn’t a person?

I’m sure that will go over well in Rome.

Legal defense knows no moral boundaries.
/

354 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:02:21am

re: #348 darthstar

Aww. Poor kitty. :(

My condolences. It’s always hard saying goodbye to a furry friend.

355 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:03:11am

re: #349 Lidane

So a Catholic hospital is now arguing that a fetus isn’t a person?

I’m sure that will go over well in Rome.

All depends on how much money it will save them. Since that’s what it ultimately is all about in my book.

356 iossarian  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:03:12am

re: #352 Lidane

Somewhere out there, the goldbugs are blogging about this:

We’ll be rich Martha!

RICH I TELL YOU!

357 Geoff with a G  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:03:24am

re: #348 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone.

Sad day yesterday…I had to say good-bye to Bflat. Rest in peace, my gin loving friend.

Image: 408254_10151386663408024_1068447874_n.jpg

Sorry to hear :(

358 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:03:27am

re: #334 Vicious Babushka

The DERP is powerful All Hail TEH DERP

Obama is a fascist, not a socialist. He will let you own your own business, but dictate to you how you are to run it.

******

From Right Wing Watch

“In fact, when companies lay off workers, Obama rejoices because “he wants to see America and Americans suffer” because “he is Barack the Destroyer; he is out to punish America for our misdeeds, to punish us for our racism, to bring us to our knees, to humble us in the dust so he can rebuild some kind of a socialist utopia on the ruins of what used to be the United States of America” — Bryan Fischer

So he’s a fascist who wants to build a socialist utopia?

Thanks for clearing that up, you knucklehead.

359 iossarian  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:04:17am

re: #358 BongCrodny

So he’s a fascist who wants to build a socialist utopia?

Thanks for clearing that up, you knucklehead.

Don’t forget the atheist muslim part.

360 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:05:56am

I wake up to find it snowing for the first time this year. Good times.

361 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:10:54am

LOL

362 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:14:00am

BRYAN’S INTO THE VODKA

363 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:15:36am

re: #362 Vicious Babushka

BRYAN’S INTO THE VODKA

Tweet back “You must conquer your fear or else your fear will conquer you.”

;P

364 erik_t  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:16:20am

re: #349 Lidane

So a Catholic hospital is now arguing that a fetus isn’t a person?

I’m sure that will go over well in Rome.

They’re morally a person, they’re just not legally a person.

You know, like (BEATEN BY 3/5 OF A GODWIN STICK)

365 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:17:48am
366 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:19:44am

re: #362 Vicious Babushka

BRYAN’S INTO THE VODKA

Tell that to Willard, Bryan.

367 iossarian  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:19:57am

re: #365 Vicious Babushka

Correlation is not causation, but when all the no-right-to-work states are at the bottom end of the per-capita income list, you’d think some people would acquire a freaking clue.

368 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:20:24am

*FACE PALM*

369 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:21:03am

re: #363 Feline Fearless Leader

Tweet back “You must conquer your fear or else your fear will conquer you.”

;P

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

370 iossarian  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:21:44am

re: #369 Varek Raith

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY

371 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:22:50am

re: #368 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

9/11 was an industrial accident?

372 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:24:41am

re: #368 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

And they act like the Civil War is still going on.
Morons.

373 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:24:56am
374 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:25:04am

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

The Godwins are getting really lame.

Speaking of Godwins, an elected official is in a bit of hot water because of posting one.

State school-board president defends Hitler post on Facebook

Terhar, a Cincinnati Republican elected last week by the 19-member school board to a second term as its president, recently posted the picture with this commentary: “Never forget what this tyrant said: ‘To conquer a nation, first disarm its citizens.’ — Adolf Hitler.”

The photograph apparently originated with the Facebook page of Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children, which features a variety of anti-Obama, pro-gun posts and photos, such as scantily clad women hoisting large guns, a polar bear with the words “Holy f*** I’m glad I’m white,” and another saying “Where’s Lee Harvey Oswalt [sic] when you need him?”

edit: added link to the Facebook source of her post. Be warned, it’s extremely ugly in its racism and advocacy of violence.

375 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:25:55am

re: #370 iossarian

PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY

I bet if a feller were to dress up in a clown costume and march around a pediatric cancer ward playing a snare drum and shouting “PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY”, that feller’d probably get his ass kicked.

376 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:26:32am

re: #372 Varek Raith

And they act like the Civil War is still going on.
Morons.

That act like it just ended yesterday. I’ve heard wingnuts who “mourn” the “death” of the Constitution, declaring that it died with the Confederacy and only a dictatorship remains.

377 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:31:45am

re: #368 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

Actually, that attitude typifies many of the problems I see among Republicans (and some Democrats). Sort of “if it isn’t recent it doesn’t matter.” Vaccines: polio, smallpox, and the Big Flu of 1918 (not to mention a handful thereafter.) Economics: the Great Depression is old news. Unions: oh, nobody forces company towns and days worth of unpaid hours any more.

Weird how the conservatives want to go back to all that.

378 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:33:05am

re: #355 Ghost of Tom Joad

All depends on how much money it will save them. Since that’s what it ultimately is all about in my book.

379 iossarian  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:35:22am

re: #377 kirkspencer

Unions: oh, nobody forces company towns and days worth of unpaid hours any more.

I used to hear that all the time in my previous job. “Unions were useful once but now they’re an unnecessary burden”.

Enjoy your $5-an-hour job cleaning shit out of an investment banker’s toilet, bub!

380 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:38:02am

re: #377 kirkspencer

Actually, that attitude typifies many of the problems I see among Republicans (and some Democrats). Sort of “if it isn’t recent it doesn’t matter.” Vaccines: polio, smallpox, and the Big Flu of 1918 (not to mention a handful thereafter.) Economics: the Great Depression is old news. Unions: oh, nobody forces company towns and days worth of unpaid hours any more.

Weird how the conservatives want to go back to all that.

Because they keep telling themselves “It’ll never get that bad again.” Meanwhile, the jobs that aren’t being outsourced or to illegals are being stripped of any benefits whatsoever and there are presently efforts to undo most labor laws in the name of “job creation.” Decades of progress made through blood, sweat, and tears being washed away in an era of unbridled greed.

381 darthstar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:38:36am
382 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:39:24am

re: #380 Targetpractice

Because they keep telling themselves “It’ll never get that bad again.” Meanwhile, the jobs that aren’t being outsourced or to illegals are being stripped of any benefits whatsoever and there are presently efforts to undo most labor laws in the name of “job creation.” Decades of progress made through blood, sweat, and tears being washed away in an era of unbridled greed.

JRRBS created by The Waltons.

383 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:39:34am

re: #381 darthstar

Image: 486960_547602355250747_700752090_n.jpg

Real sign, apparently.

Amen.

384 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:39:36am

re: #381 darthstar

Image: 486960_547602355250747_700752090_n.jpg

Real sign, apparently.

Lol.

385 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:39:54am

re: #381 darthstar

Image: 486960_547602355250747_700752090_n.jpg

Real sign, apparently.

WIN

386 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:40:12am

re: #381 darthstar

Image: 486960_547602355250747_700752090_n.jpg

Real sign, apparently.

Winning!

387 darthstar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:43:53am
388 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:43:54am

re: #382 Vicious Babushka

JRRBS created by The Waltons.

Remember Ronald Reagans famous “The best social program you can offer someone is a job”?

Wal-Mart gives us ample ground to think hard on that one….

389 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:45:49am

Sen. John Kerry’s confirmation hearings for Secretary of State have started.

[Link: www.c-span.org…]

390 erik_t  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:46:27am

re: #388 Sol Berdinowitz

Remember Ronald Reagans famous “The best social program you can offer someone is a job”?

Wal-Mart gives us ample ground to think hard on that one….

The best social program you can offer someone is a career.

Compare and contrast Costco and Sam’s Club.

391 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:46:38am

re: #382 Vicious Babushka

JRRBS created by The Waltons.

The 1% of this country have a great scam going on, not only getting the public to pick up the tab for maintaining their workforce, but also convincing that same public that their workforce is a bunch of moochers and that the best way forward is to further impoverish them.

The Gilded Age robber barons would be green with envy.

392 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:49:32am

re: #389 RadicalModerate

Sen. John Kerry’s confirmation hearings for Secretary of State have started.

[Link: www.c-span.org…]

Will Rand Paul read from the dynamic literary stylings of Jerome Corsi?

393 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:52:09am

re: #392 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Will Rand Paul read from the dynamic literary stylings of Jerome Corsi?

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if someone like Ted Cruz attempts to “swiftboat” him.

394 jaunte  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:52:37am

re: #392 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I hope he has another “If I was the President” moment on camera.

395 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:53:32am

And there’s a protestor.

396 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:54:57am

Holy shit, would you look at that!

397 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:55:27am

re: #395 RadicalModerate

And there’s a protestor.

Is he singing a protest song?

398 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:56:07am

re: #396 b_sharp

Holy shit, would you look at that!

SNOW!

399 iossarian  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:56:47am

re: #390 erik_t

The best social program you can offer someone is a career.

Compare and contrast Costco and Sam’s Club.

Costco is not really as bad as Walmart. Still low-paying jobs but in general they have better labor relations.

400 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:00:01am

re: #399 iossarian

Costco is not really as bad as Walmart. Still low-paying jobs but in general they have better labor relations.

All the “big box” retail outlets treat their workers like complete shit, but Walmart is the worst.

401 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:00:52am

re: #381 darthstar

Image: 486960_547602355250747_700752090_n.jpg

Real sign, apparently.

Found this while following up that sign…

Image: tumblr_m1gcz1UFv31qzz78po1_500.jpg

402 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:01:14am

re: #395 RadicalModerate

And there’s a protestor.

I just tuned in. Code Pink?

403 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:03:09am

AFP REVERSE GODWIN

404 erik_t  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:07:21am

re: #399 iossarian

Costco is not really as bad as Walmart. Still low-paying jobs but in general they have better labor relations.

That was my whole point. Costco pays a decent wage and offers good benefits.

405 iossarian  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:08:35am

re: #404 erik_t

That was my whole point. Costco pays a decent wage and offers good benefits.

Oh - right. Misread your post above! I thought you were lumping them in together.

406 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:09:13am

Dumbass #TGDN now defines #TwitterGulag as not being able to follow >2000, not even having their account suspended.

407 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:10:11am

And they’re all creating secondary accounts, in anticipation of their primary accounts getting suspended.

Spamming this over and over:


What a collection of DUMB.

408 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:13:56am

re: #348 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone.

Sad day yesterday…I had to say good-bye to Bflat. Rest in peace, my gin loving friend.

Image: 408254_10151386663408024_1068447874_n.jpg

{{darthstar}} :-(

409 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:14:00am

If they are actually concerned about getting their twitter accounts suspended, clearly they have waaaaaay too much time on their hands.

410 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:14:04am

Come to TGDN, where attention whores can congregate and share their stories of just how put upon they are by them “evil” liberals that live strictly in the backs of their minds.

411 iossarian  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:14:47am

re: #410 Targetpractice

Come to TGDN, where attention whores can congregate and share their stories of just how put upon they are by them “evil” liberals that live strictly in the backs of their minds.

Their minds have backs?

I didn’t realize they had fronts even.

413 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:15:47am

DERP and DERPER


414 Gus  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:17:24am
415 erik_t  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:17:40am

re: #413 Vicious Babushka

@_PatJohnson_ Sad no one on a plane had #gun on 9/11 to stop boxcutters from killing 5,000 people #gunrights #PJNET #TGDN #gop #p2 #2A

STOP THE COUNTRY. I AM GETTING OFF.

416 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:18:01am

re: #414 Gus

Didn’t wingnuts say the same thing about gays?

417 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:18:36am

re: #414 Gus

What the fuckity fuck fuck.

418 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:18:41am

re: #414 Gus

Wall Street Journal: Women shouldn’t be in combat because men would be embarrassed to poop in front of them thkpr.gs/XCw3BE
— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) January 24, 2013

The Onion is furious that they didn’t think of that first.

419 Gus  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:18:46am

re: #416 Vicious Babushka

Didn’t wingnuts say the same thing about gays?

Probably.

420 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:19:00am

WOLVERINES!

421 iossarian  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:19:59am

re: #420 Vicious Babushka

WOLVERINES!

Electro-Magnetic Pulse! OF COURSE.

How’s that device coming along Varek?

422 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:20:09am

re: #420 Vicious Babushka

WOLVERINES!

Doubtful.
Even if we are, rednecks with pea shooters ain’t gonna do shit to an armored division.

423 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:20:23am

re: #420 Vicious Babushka

If USA hit w/ EMP or Solar Flare we COULD be invaded by foreign power.And look Our Govt just disarmed us! #tcot #tgdn Twisters
&x2014; Nota Lemming TGDN (@notalemming) January 24, 2013

Someone has been playing way too much Call of Duty lately. Besides, if you use the correct perks you are not affected by EMP. Duh.

424 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:20:45am

re: #421 iossarian

Electro-Magnetic Pulse! OF COURSE.

How’s that device coming along Varek?

Funny, the US seems to be the only one with a non-nuclear one.
[Link: www.nbcnews.com…]

425 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:20:50am
426 iossarian  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:21:06am

re: #423 Dr. Matt

Someone has been playing way too much Call of Duty lately. Besides, if you use the correct perks you are not affected by EMP. Duh.

Tinfoil hat?

427 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:21:16am

re: #404 erik_t

A new WalMart opened this week in a part of Atlanta called Vine City (near the GA Dome). The neighborhood hasn’t had so much as a decent grocery store for years. So, this morning on the news they’re interviewing all the happy people shopping and people seem to think all this money the store is going to be making is going back into their community. The idiot news people are plugging the hell out of this story saying how it’ll bring more businesses into the area, etc. Only half of the people they hired actually live in the area, the rest came in from other counties. And of course Fulton County gave WalHell a metric shit ton of tax “incentives” to locate there, so the people in that area won’t get shit in return. It’ll be interesting to see what happens in that part of the city in the next year.

428 erik_t  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:21:52am

re: #421 iossarian

Electro-Magnetic Pulse! OF COURSE.

How’s that device coming along Varek?

Presumably it will be a special freedom-hating electromagnetic pulse that does not affect the technology of the… I’m guessing we’re supposed to be fearing the Chinese? Mexicans? in this case?

Kids, don’t get your science from moronic pop-drama network television.

429 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:22:16am

re: #427 A Mom Anon

A new WalMart opened this week in a part of Atlanta called Vine City (near the GA Dome). The neighborhood hasn’t had so much as a decent grocery store for years. So, this morning on the news they’re interviewing all the happy people shopping and people seem to think all this money the store is going to be going back into their community. The idiot news people are plugging the hell out of this story saying how it’ll bring more businesses into the area, etc. Only half of the people they hired actually live in the area, the rest came in from other counties. And of course Fulton County gave WalHell a metric shit ton of tax “incentives” to locate there, so the people in that area won’t get shit in return. It’ll be interesting to see what happens in that part of the city in the next year.

And JRRBS! Don’t forget the JRRBS!

430 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:22:54am

re: #426 iossarian

Tinfoil hat?

431 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:23:29am

re: #428 erik_t

Presumably it will be a special freedom-hating electromagnetic pulse that does not affect the technology of the… I’m guessing we’re supposed to be fearing the Chinese? Mexicans? in this case?

Kids, don’t get your science from moronic pop-drama network television.

I saw trailers for that (now cancelled) show Revolution but never watched a single episode. I read a review (I think it was at Cracked.com) that said it was the worst show in the entire history of television.

432 erik_t  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:23:41am

re: #425 Lidane

The bill is unlikely to pass, as Democrats have a majority in both chambers of New Mexico’s state legislature.

Gee. With Republicans like this running for local office, I can wonder why.

/

433 Gus  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:24:03am

re: #420 Vicious Babushka

WOLVERINES!

Pwison Pwanet!

434 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:24:12am

Dear wingnuts,
Any EMP attack on the US would involve nuclear weapons. It’s the only way, barring Boeing’s new device, to generate an EMP of the magnitude needed for wide-scale outages.

435 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:24:51am

re: #413 Vicious Babushka

DERP and DERPER

Sad no one on a plane had #gun on 9/11 to stop boxcutters from killing 5,000 people

I usually refer to dumb stuff as “the second stupidest thing I’ve ever read on the internet,” because if you wait a few minutes, you can usually find something stupider.

I stand corrected.

436 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:25:31am

North Korea already has an EMP device. They tested it on themselves first.//

437 erik_t  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:27:14am

re: #434 Varek Raith

Dear wingnuts,
Any EMP attack on the US would involve nuclear weapons. It’s the only way, barring Boeing’s new device, to generate an EMP of the magnitude needed for wide-scale outages.

Boeing’s little exploding capacitor is a cute but natural outgrowth of well-known physics and is not in any way some sort of magical superweapon. Any other first-world nation could have them if they wanted. They are emphatically not a wide-scale weapon, but a different method of attacking point targets.

Setting up strong and widespread electromagnetic fields requires a lot of energy, and you’re not getting nuclear-weapon amounts of energy from a small electrochemical source. It’s basic physics.

438 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:27:41am

re: #435 BongCrodny

I usually refer to dumb stuff as “the second stupidest thing I’ve ever read on the internet,” because if you wait a few minutes, you can usually find something stupider.

I stand corrected.

There was a cartoon the wingnuts were spamming around after 9/11 that showed a bunch of passengers pointing guns at the hijackers, who were saying, “Relax, we just want to help open some boxes!” with the caption: “What would have happened on 9/11 if this were truly the land of the free.”

Don’t feel like Googling it right now, but it is so full of FAIL. Bunch of guns in a pressurized cabin, what could possibly go wrong?

439 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:27:54am

re: #436 Vicious Babushka

North Korea already has an EMP device. They tested it on themselves first.//

From orbit. It was the only way to be sure.

440 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:28:37am

re: #437 erik_t

Boeing’s little exploding capacitor is a cute but natural outgrowth of well-known physics and is not in any way some sort of magical superweapon. Any other first-world nation could have them if they wanted. They are emphatically not a wide-scale weapon, but a different method of attacking point targets.

Setting up strong and widespread electromagnetic fields requires a lot of energy, and you’re not getting nuclear-weapon amounts of energy from a small electrochemical source. It’s basic physics.

LIES!

441 Gus  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:28:57am

It appears that TGDN is a rather “big tent.” A circus tent.

442 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:29:14am

re: #438 Vicious Babushka

There was a cartoon the wingnuts were spamming around after 9/11 that showed a bunch of passengers pointing guns at the hijackers, who were saying, “Relax, we just want to help open some boxes!” with the caption: “What would have happened on 9/11 if this were truly the land of the free.”

Don’t feel like Googling it right now, but it is so full of FAIL. Bunch of guns in a pressurized cabin, what could possibly go wrong?

We cannot get them away from the notion that guns are some sort of magic talisman which, when wielded by True Patriots, will defend us against evil in any and all circumstances.

,

443 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:30:47am

re: #438 Vicious Babushka

Bunch of guns in a pressurized cabin, what could possibly go wrong?

The only thing that woulda gone wrong is them dirty furriners and their plans. AMERICA FUCK YEAH!

///

444 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:30:52am

re: #438 Vicious Babushka

There was a cartoon the wingnuts were spamming around after 9/11 that showed a bunch of passengers pointing guns at the hijackers, who were saying, “Relax, we just want to help open some boxes!” with the caption: “What would have happened on 9/11 if this were truly the land of the free.”

Don’t feel like Googling it right now, but it is so full of FAIL. Bunch of guns in a pressurized cabin, what could possibly go wrong?

Why, nothing would go wrong — every one of those gun-totin’ passengers would hit their mark *exactly* where they wanted to, and there would be no exit wounds or stray shots.

445 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:32:14am

Dear Wingnut derpers,
The passengers on all but 1 plane involved in the 9/11 attacks had no clue the plane would be used as a missile. They thought, and were told, they would be landing and demands would be issued.
So…
Yeah. Reality sucks.

446 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:32:46am

re: #438 Alouette

There was a cartoon the wingnuts were spamming around after 9/11 that showed a bunch of passengers pointing guns at the hijackers, who were saying, “Relax, we just want to help open some boxes!” with the caption: “What would have happened on 9/11 if this were truly the land of the free.”

Don’t feel like Googling it right now, but it is so full of FAIL. Bunch of guns in a pressurized cabin, what could possibly go wrong?

Wingnut Fantasy

447 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:33:40am

re: #446 Dr. Matt

Wingnut Fantasy

What aircraft has such a large space where all of them can stand together?

448 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:34:43am

re: #446 Dr. Matt

Wingnut Fantasy

Because terrorists willing to die in a fiery explosion would surrender meekly.

449 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:34:54am

re: #446 Dr. Matt

Wingnut Fantasy

Circular firing squad much???

450 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:35:09am

re: #428 erik_t

Presumably it will be a special freedom-hating electromagnetic pulse that does not affect the technology of the… I’m guessing we’re supposed to be fearing the Chinese? Mexicans? in this case?

Kids, don’t get your science from moronic pop-drama network television.

The US military, with it’s hardened equipment, would sit back and enjoy the spectacle I assume.

451 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:35:45am

re: #448 BongCrodny

Because terrorists willing to die in a fiery explosion would surrender meekly.

Because if they knew all the other passengers would be carrying guns they would bring MOAR BIGGER GUNZ.

452 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:36:32am

The TGDN f*cktards are so clueless to history to realize that the reason why metal detectors and screening were implemented at US airports is because of the epidemic of hijacking of our planes with firearms. F**king.clueless.idiots.

453 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:36:48am

re: #451 Vicious Babushka

Because if they knew all the other passengers would be carrying guns they would bring MOAR BIGGER GUNZ.

Image: common_sense_god_damn_super_power.jpg

454 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:37:52am

re: #412 Varek Raith

It is easy to forget how un-democratic the electoral college really is. It would be perfectly constitutional for a GOP (or Democratic) state legislature to dispense with the general election for president entirely, and simply send in electors of an agreeable political persuasion.

The reason the GOP has not apparently gone that route in PA etc. is probably that it would make it altogether too obvious that it is necessary to vote against the GOP at all levels if one opposes their agenda.

455 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:39:05am

TGDN Derptards are seething about “Woman in Combat” while posting pictures of girls with GUNZ.

456 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:39:15am

re: #447 Vicious Babushka

What aircraft has such a large space where all of them can stand together?

The one that exists in the Wingnut Fantasy Land of the unrestricted 2nd Amendment.

457 erik_t  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:39:24am

re: #450 b_sharp

The US military, with it’s hardened equipment, would sit back and enjoy the spectacle I assume.

Hardening is a matter of gradual degree, not of binary magic-protection. But certainly all of the gun-totin’ patriots would freeze and/or starve to death due to wholesale collapse of civil infrastructure long before most military systems had any trouble.

458 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:39:55am

re: #457 erik_t

Hardening is a matter of gradual degree, not of binary magic-protection. But certainly all of the gun-totin’ patriots would freeze and/or starve to death due to wholesale collapse of civil infrastructure long before most military systems had any trouble.

What are ya, edumacated?!?!
/

459 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:41:30am

re: #455 Vicious Babushka

TGDN Derptards are seething about “Woman in Combat” while posting pictures of girls with GUNZ.

Charlie’s Angels fantasies vs. real life. Which will the wingnuts choose?

460 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:42:52am

re: #238 wrenchwench

Sacramento GOP consultant files suit against Lance Armstrong

Hey, I read that book! I wonder what I can get? Darn, I don’t live in California.

461 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:46:04am

re: #420 Vicious Babushka

EMP? Do they realize that military gear and electronics are shielded (to harden against nuclear blast effects)? The military expected to fight in proximity to nuclear weapons - firing off their nuclear tipped artillery just miles from their front lines. Yeah, that was the plan.

Civilian gear isn’t hardened to that extent, so things like civilian communications, power distribution, etc. are likely to be compromised.

And if that’s the case, mind you, military gear is much more likely to survive an EMP than civilian gear - even among the preppers.

462 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:50:06am

If an EMP [nuclear] device is detonated over the US, I’m more concerned about my dick falling off from intense radiation exposures than wielding my firearms against an invading force. Call me crazy…..

463 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:52:29am

re: #462 Dr. Matt

If an EMP [nuclear] device is detonated over the US, I’m more concerned about my dick falling off from intense radiation exposures than wielding my firearms against an invading force. Call me crazy…..

The guys with all the weapons have no such worries, their privates are too small to absorb enough radiation to effect them

464 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:56:14am

Some people can’t help being sexist douchebags:

465 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:58:13am

re: #464 Lidane

Some people can’t help being sexist douchebags:

Give him a break. I’m sure this is based on Tucker’s extensive front-line experience.

466 erik_t  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:58:29am

re: #464 Lidane

Some people can’t help being sexist douchebags:

@TuckerCarlson Feminism’s latest victory: the right to get your limbs blown off in war. Congratulations.

Yesterday and tomorrow, there was and will be no higher honor than the opportunity to go get blown up for Freedomerica.

Go traipse through a dogshit minefield, Tucker.

467 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:59:04am

re: #464 Lidane

Some people can’t help being sexist douchebags:

The administration boasts about sending women to the front lines on the same day Democrats push the Violence Against Women Act.

Funny, I posted that very sentiment in full bolded wingnut last nite, but he means it seriously.

Does not seem to faze him that these women not only volunteered for the military, but I also suspect that they have also all volunteered for combat duty.

468 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:00:56am
469 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:03:21am

re: #467 Sol Berdinowitz

Not so much. Other than enlisting in the first place, combat is not volunteer. Choosing some combat-arms specialities makes combat far more likely, but in the end it’s a matter of mission need.

The notion that women will enter combat now is nonsense. My DIL locked and loaded in the first Gulf War. This just sort of recognizes that women have been in combat for decades, and will remain there in the ‘frontless’ war.

470 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:05:42am

Nehemiah Griego knew how to handle guns.

471 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:06:09am

re: #462 Dr. Matt

If an EMP [nuclear] device is detonated over the US, I’m more concerned about my dick falling off from intense radiation exposures than wielding my firearms against an invading force. Call me crazy…..

Excuse me sir, I found this laying on the ground over there. Is it yours?

472 Kronocide  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:06:58am

Wow. Off the intertubes working but heard Hillary, Paul, Johnson, and McCain on right wing radio.

L Oh Fucking L. Hillary was the only one coming out of that fiasco looking good.

473 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:09:02am

re: #464 Lidane

Some people can’t help being sexist douchebags:

Don’t worry your pretty little head about it Tucker, I’m sure they’ll still consider you a man.

474 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:09:25am

Yes, wingnuts are going…well…nuts over the idea of women serving in combat, but don’t seem to have given much thought as to what’s going to happen to their own women when they pick a fight with Uncle Sam.

475 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:10:03am

re: #472 Kronocide

Wow. Off the intertubes working but heard Hillary, Paul, Johnson, and McCain on right wing radio.

L Oh Fucking L. Hillary was the only one coming out of that fiasco looking good.

Related:

476 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:10:08am

re: #470 Vicious Babushka

Lanza knew how to use firearms too. Both had families where firearms were an accepted way of life and even as a bonding experience for family members.

That didn’t end well for either the Griegos or Lanzas.

477 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:12:31am

Todd Kincannon ‏@ToddKincannon
By the way, the folks complaining about #TGDN being a “mob”… you know, turns out mobs are pretty effective in politics.

478 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:13:20am

Since that Tweet had a broken link, have some schadenfreude instead:

479 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:15:55am

re: #469 Decatur Deb

Not so much. Other than enlisting in the first place, combat is not volunteer. Choosing some combat-arms specialities makes combat far more likely, but in the end it’s a matter of mission need.

The notion that women will enter combat now is nonsense. My DIL locked and loaded in the first Gulf War. This just sort of recognizes that women have been in combat for decades, and will remain there in the ‘frontless’ war.

I do suppose the Army is not going to send a woman into combat if she does not want to go, but on the other hand, a woman who has volunteered for the army is not likely to be put off by the idea.

480 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:16:12am

re: #475 Lidane

Related:

Just watched this - he’s still butthurt over getting his ass handed to him by Hillary Clinton yesterday. Kerry isn’t having any of it.

481 Ian G.  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:16:38am

re: #438 Vicious Babushka

There was a cartoon the wingnuts were spamming around after 9/11 that showed a bunch of passengers pointing guns at the hijackers, who were saying, “Relax, we just want to help open some boxes!” with the caption: “What would have happened on 9/11 if this were truly the land of the free.”

Don’t feel like Googling it right now, but it is so full of FAIL. Bunch of guns in a pressurized cabin, what could possibly go wrong?

Gee, I seem to hazily recall that on one of the planes, people actually did fight back, even though they had no guns. And of course, that plane safely returned to the airport, right? It didn’t plunge into the ground at a near 90 degree angle, killing everyone on board, right?

482 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:17:20am

re: #479 Sol Berdinowitz

I do suppose the Army is not going to send a woman into combat if she does not want to go, but on the other hand, a woman who has volunteered for the army is not likely to be put off by the idea.

The Army sends units into combat. If she’s in the unit, she goes. Same as it ever was.

483 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:17:43am

re: #480 RadicalModerate

Just watched this - he’s still butthurt over getting his ass handed to him by Hillary Clinton yesterday. Kerry isn’t having any of it.

484 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:17:44am

re: #469 Decatur Deb

Not so much. Other than enlisting in the first place, combat is not volunteer. Choosing some combat-arms specialities makes combat far more likely, but in the end it’s a matter of mission need.

The notion that women will enter combat now is nonsense. My DIL locked and loaded in the first Gulf War. This just sort of recognizes that women have been in combat for decades, and will remain there in the ‘frontless’ war.

This. In asymmetrical warfare, there are no front lines.

485 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:21:44am
486 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:22:14am

re: #484 Bubblehead II

This. In asymmetrical warfare, there are no front lines.

I had to exlpain this to a co-worker yesterday. She was worried about women being in combat and pulled out all the usual things — men are hardwired to protect, etc. I told her that the old way of looking at war, as if it had arbitrary front lines that soliders went out and dug trenches for is long gone.

A decade of war in Iraq and Afghanistan has been a long test case for women in combat, and they’ve come through it. It’s impossible to try and separate women from combat when the enemy just looks at everyone in American military fatigues as a target.

487 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:22:24am

Women have been in combat.
Especially since 2003.
The DoD is just now officially stating and accepting this reality.

488 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:23:39am

re: #487 Varek Raith

Women have been in combat.
Especially since 2003.
The DoD is just now officially stating and accepting this reality.

Probably 2001.

489 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:24:05am

re: #346 lawhawk

Heh. Out in Colorado, St. Thomas More Hospital, operated by Catholic Health Initiatives, argues its way out of a wrongful death lawsuit by claiming fetus isn’t a person.

Page-worthy. I didn’t get around to it yesterday, and if I have some Paging time available today, I have a different project in mind.

490 simoom  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:24:09am

re: #480 RadicalModerate

Just watched this - he’s still butthurt over getting his ass handed to him by Hillary Clinton yesterday. Kerry isn’t having any of it.


491 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:24:12am

re: #484 Bubblehead II

Further, facing threats from say scud missiles or mortar, missile, or rocket attacks can hit “rear areas” causing as horrific casualties as say someone on the front lines.

It happened in the first Gulf War. It’s happened since then, and it has happened in Afghanistan (attacks against Bagram AFB or Kandahar or Kabul) and Iraq (say as in the Green Zone in Baghdad).

Being in the military in a forward deployed area presents risks regardless of the gender or sexual orientation of the person serving.

According to this, 136 women have died in the service of the nation since 9/11. During the first Gulf War, 6 women were killed in Scud attacks. (the link itself indicates opposition to allowing women to serve in front lines btw).

492 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:24:47am

Seems Kerry ain’t taking this shit from the GOP today.
:)

493 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:25:06am

re: #489 wrenchwench

Yeah, I was thinking of it, but have time constraints today.

494 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:25:13am

re: #488 Varek Raith

Probably 2001.

Since 1861.

Oh wait, make that 1776.

495 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:25:30am

re: #494 Vicious Babushka

Since 1861.

Oh wait, make that 1776.

OUTRAGE!!!1!1ty

496 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:25:44am

re: #490 simoom

497 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:26:36am

There were also badass cave women with clubs 30000 years ago clubbing the shit out of things.
So…
Yeah.
Humans.
We’re warriors regardless of gender.

498 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:26:58am

re: #488 Varek Raith

Probably 2001.

Earlier—ever since the Powell Doctrine reorganization required that modern deployments could not function without Reserve involvement. The last bastion was just that some few specified combat arms MOS’s were closed to women.

499 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:28:08am
500 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:28:10am

re: #498 Decatur Deb

Earlier—ever since the Powell Doctrine reorganization required that modern deployments could not function without Reserve involvement. The last bastion was just that some few specified combat arms MOS’s were closed to women.

Have any women been admitted to Special Forces? I seem to remember there have been some washouts.

501 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:29:50am

re: #494 Vicious Babushka

Molly Pitcher. Yes, she of the NJ Turnpike Rest Stop name. Apparently fought at the Battle of Monmouth manning a canon as her husband fell to exhaustion (real name, Molly (Mary) Hays).

Another woman whose exploits paralleled Pitcher’s? Margaret Corbin. After an injury in defending Manhattan in the Battle of New York, the Pennsylvania native received a pension from PA for her injuries.

502 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:30:05am

re: #500 Vicious Babushka

Have any women been admitted to Special Forces? I seem to remember there have been some washouts.

Probably not—I’m only thinking about the GI Jane movie. (Possible exception is an Army high-tech aviation unit that is considered SOF.)

503 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:31:54am

re: #502 Decatur Deb

Probably not—I’m only thinking about the GI Jane movie. (Possible exception is an Army high-tech aviation unit that is considered SOF.)

Tucker’s thing makes no sense on any number of levels. First of all, plenty of women have already lost limbs in combat. Second of all, we have plenty of women in the Navy performing tasks that are just as ‘combat’ oriented as anything else, and who would die like everyone else if the ship got blown up.

It’s just mindless misogyny.

504 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:36:27am

New Mexico Bill Would Imprison Rape Victims Who Receive Abortions

Should a recently introduced bill in New Mexico become law, rape victims will be required to carry their pregnancies to term during their sexual assault trials or face charges of “tampering with evidence.”

WTF

505 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:38:25am

Damn he looks so young like one of the kids I coach on the basketball team. Terrible tragedy. And yes you can point out that the guns in the family home were absurdly easy to access.

506 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:38:34am

re: #504 Varek Raith

New Mexico Bill Would Imprison Rape Victims Who Receive Abortions

WTF

Skip Paged it.

To me it’s analogous to leaving a knife in until after the trial of your attempted murderer. Only worse.

507 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:38:40am

re: #504 Varek Raith

New Mexico Bill Would Imprison Rape Victims Who Receive Abortions

WTF

It’s just another form of “creative governance ” that the GOP is falling back on now that they cannot get the voters or the Supreme Court to support them.

508 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:38:42am

re: #504 Varek Raith

So a fetus is now evidence? Property? Seriously WTF.

509 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:38:44am

re: #504 Varek Raith

New Mexico Bill Would Imprison Rape Victims Who Receive Abortions

WTF

What the fuck is that shit?

510 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:40:03am

John McCain is up.
And is immediately complaining about Benghazi.
The man has absolutely no shame now.

511 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:40:09am

re: #506 wrenchwench

Skip Paged it.

To me it’s analogous to leaving a knife in until after the trial of your attempted murderer. Only worse.

Yeah it is worse because the poor woman has already been raped and now the state’s telling her that she’s no better than her attacker if she dares to get a legal procedure done. So sick of the right wing obsession with abortion. Let women choose. Gah.

512 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:40:29am

re: #507 Sol Berdinowitz

It’s just another form of “creative governance ” that the GOP is falling back on now that they cannot get the voters or the Supreme Court to support them.

Let them keep it up. The law is going nowhere, but will keep the real soul of the TPGOP fresh in the minds of voters.

513 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:40:41am

Grumpy old man being grumpy.

514 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:40:50am

OT: But good thoughts please, I’m off to interview for a part time position (computer geek & bookkeeper) for the reservation radio station (WOJB).

515 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:40:54am

re: #510 RadicalModerate

John McCain is up.
And is immediately complaining about Benghazi.
The man has absolutely no shame now.

Sometimes I wonder if he had any at all. I was reminded on MLK Day that McCain opposed the MLK holiday. Something that even Strom Thurmond supported.

516 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:41:17am

re: #513 Bubblehead II

Grumpy old man being grumpy.

Grumpy old man trying to regain credibility.

517 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:41:50am

re: #514 William Barnett-Lewis

OT: But good thoughts please, I’m off to interview for a part time position (computer geek & bookkeeper) for the reservation radio station (WOJB).

Good luck. Ojibways?

518 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:42:50am

re: #303 FemNaziBitch

There just isn’t enough coffee.

Russia Orders Obama: Tell World About Aliens, Or We Will

ROTFLAMO

I want to know more. They can tell me, I’ll keep it on the DL.

519 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:44:10am

re: #513 Bubblehead II

Grumpy old man being grumpy.

Image: old_man_yells_at_cloud.jpg

520 Kronocide  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:44:18am

re: #509 HappyWarrior

What the fuck is that shit?

Jobs, debt ceiling, economy!

521 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:44:32am

re: #520 Kronocide

Jobs, debt ceiling, economy!

LASERS!

522 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:45:17am

UN launches investigation into US drone strikes

The United Nations formally launched an investigation into the United States’ targeted killing program on Thursday morning. Ben Emmerson, the U.N.’s special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights, announced the beginning of the inquiry at a press conference in London.

“The central objective of the present investigation is to look at the evidence that drone strikes and other forms of remote targeted killing have caused disproportionate civilian casualties in some instances,” he said, “and to make recommendations concerning the duty of States to conduct thorough independent and impartial investigations into such allegations, with a view to securing accountability and reparation where things can be shown to have gone badly wrong with potentially grave consequences for civilians.”

While Emmerson said his investigation while concern “all use of armed force…for the purpose of targeted killing,” he stressed that “it is the use of drones which has propelled this issue to the top of the international agenda” because of the ease with which the relatively new technology can be deployed.

The American Civil Liberties Union, which has filed several lawsuits challenging the legality of the Obama administration’s targeted killing program, said it welcomed the investigation.

523 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:46:12am

re: #511 HappyWarrior

Yeah it is worse because the poor woman has already been raped and now the state’s telling her that she’s no better than her attacker if she dares to get a legal procedure done. So sick of the right wing obsession with abortion. Let women choose. Gah.

And why can’t an aborted embryo (it wouldn’t be a fetus yet) serve as evidence in a jar? But that’s stupid too. All they need is a bit of rapist DNA on a swab. Which is the current practice.

Rep. Cathrynn Brown, a Republican who represents the Carlsbad area, introduced the bill Wednesday.

She is an attorney, a former chairman of the Eddy County GOP and board member of the Right to Life of Carlsbad.

524 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:47:00am
525 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:48:34am

re: #523 wrenchwench

And why can’t an aborted embryo (it wouldn’t be a fetus yet) serve as evidence in a jar? But that’s stupid too. All they need is a bit of rapist DNA on a swab. Which is the current practice.

Next step: they will pass a law postponing all rape trials until the fetus is born and grown up and turns 18 so that it can testify as a material witness.

526 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:48:47am

re: #523 wrenchwench

And why can’t an aborted embryo (it wouldn’t be a fetus yet) serve as evidence in a jar? But that’s stupid too. All they need is a bit of rapist DNA on a swab. Which is the current practice.

That’s a good question. Would love to see that pointed out to the bill’s writer who is apparently a lawyer?!?!

527 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:49:50am


Or unless you call out FAKE quotes and FAKE statistics.

528 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:50:25am

re: #527 Vicious Babushka


Or unless you call out FAKE quotes and FAKE statistics.

Damn, they are whiny little shits.

529 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:53:00am

Lego accused of racism with Star Wars set

Lego has been accused of racism by the Turkish community over a Star Wars model that supposedly resembles one of Istanbul’s most revered mosques.

Austria’s Turkish community said the model was based on Hagia Sophia mosque in Istanbul and that the accompanying figures depicted Asians and Orientals as people with “deceitful and criminal personalities.”

The Turkish Cultural Community of Austria released a statement calling for Lego to apologise for affronting religious and cultural feelings.

The anger was provoked by “Jabba’s Palace”, a model of the home of Jabba the Hutt from Lego’s Star Wars product range based on the blockbusting series of science fiction films.

Jabba is the large slug-like creature who holds Han Solo captive in the film Return of the Jedi, and his palace is the setting for several crucial scenes, including using Princess Leia as his slave.

Jabba’s domed home and accompanying watchtower bear, according to the statement, an unwanted resemblance to Istanbul’s great Hagia Sophia, and another mosque in Beirut.

Star Wars racist? LOL.

530 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:53:54am

re: #528 Varek Raith

Damn, they are whiny little shits.

I would estimate that I got blocked by most of the TGDN twitwits who posted fake quotes and the fake “gun violence” map.

Two people actually thanked me and promised to do research before retweeting.

531 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:54:05am

re: #529 NJDhockeyfan

They didn’t get the palace right.
Image: Jabba%27s_Palace_1.png

532 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:55:09am
533 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:00:02am

Hahahaha:

Know who didn’t want Perry? GOP voters. He crashed and burned in the primaries.

534 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:01:53am

re: #485 Vicious Babushka

I know I’m late to this post, but I want to point to something for your use. Policymaps has a “by zip code, aggravated assaults per 100,000” map using the 2010 data here. Please notice in particular New Mexico, Florida, and South Carolina.

535 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:03:54am

re: #534 kirkspencer

I know I’m late to this post, but I want to point to something for your use. Policymaps has a “by zip code, aggravated assaults per 100,000” map using the 2010 data here. Please notice in particular New Mexico, Florida, and South Carolina.

thanks. Bookmarked.

536 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:05:15am

*facepalm*

I love how they ignore the “Well-regulated milita” part of the Amendment:

537 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:05:21am

re: #533 Lidane

Hahahaha:

Know who didn’t want Perry? GOP voters. He crashed and burned in the primaries.

Yeah that whole needed a majority thing kind of sucks eh Perry fan? Really, I think it’s hilarious that they’re trying to deny that the people wanted Obama. He’s the only president since Reagan to have gotten 50% plus of the vote in both elections. If any president has had a mandate the past quarter century, it has been Barack Obama. The people clearly prefer him over his opponents.

538 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:07:18am

Nope. Nothing racist here at all:

539 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:10:08am

re: #538 Lidane

Nope. Nothing racist here at all:

It’s a classic favorite at TGDN and TCOT and Freep to select unflattering photos of LIBRUL WIMMENZ and compare them to selected flattering photos of their fave CONSURVATIF GURLZ. Do you realize how many photos of Michelle Obama they had to look at just in order to find one that is less attractive?

540 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:11:30am

BUT LIBRULZ ARE TEH BULLIEZ!1!

541 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:13:16am

re: #539 Vicious Babushka

It’s a classic favorite at TGDN and TCOT and Freep to select unflattering photos of LIBRUL WIMMENZ and compare them to selected flattering photos of their fave CONSURVATIF GURLZ. Do you realize how many photos of Michelle Obama they had to look at just in order to find one that is less attractive?

They do that a lot. Don’t know how many right wing photo collages I’ve seen of “right wing babes” that all include women under the age of 45 and “left wing uglies” over that same age.

542 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:14:03am
543 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:15:58am

re: #541 HappyWarrior

They do that a lot. Don’t know how many right wing photo collages I’ve seen of “right wing babes” that all include women under the age of 45 and “left wing uglies” over that same age.

@mzagorski is a perfect example. (It’s also one of the craziest rats in the shithouse)

544 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:16:32am

re: #438 Vicious Babushka

There was a cartoon the wingnuts were spamming around after 9/11 that showed a bunch of passengers pointing guns at the hijackers, who were saying, “Relax, we just want to help open some boxes!” with the caption: “What would have happened on 9/11 if this were truly the land of the free.”

Don’t feel like Googling it right now, but it is so full of FAIL. Bunch of guns in a pressurized cabin, what could possibly go wrong?

Not to mention that if passengers could bring guns onto planes why would the hijackers just have box cutters?
/

545 Kronocide  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:16:50am

re: #542 Lidane

Seem to forget US soldiers sodomizing Iraqi detainees with broomsticks. Iraq security sodomizing detainees with broomsticks.

546 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:17:10am

*facepalm*

I can’t tell if these people are serious or just parodies anymore:

547 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:17:22am

I never heard of this “Creative Zionist Coalition” but they are not creative, not Zionist and probably not even a coalition.

548 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:17:45am

re: #538 Lidane

Nope. Nothing racist here at all:

Or sexist.

549 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:19:15am

GAH

550 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:20:16am

Because he didn’t embarrass himself enough yesterday:

551 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:23:57am

Rand Paul is on his “no foreign aid for anybody” rant again.

552 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:24:35am

OUTRAGE!

553 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:25:02am

re: #551 RadicalModerate

Rand Paul is on his “no foreign aid for anybody” rant again.

Yeah good luck with that Rand. He may be an even bigger kook than his Dad.

554 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:26:41am

re: #546 Lidane

*facepalm*

I can’t tell if these people are serious or just parodies anymore:

No sense of history or background. No clue how or why conditions are the way they are, and apparently no curiosity or honesty to research that before shooting their mouths/tweets off.

If you saw this sort of behavior in the sciences they’d be laughed off the stage or out of the journal. Like trying to do physics experiments with no understanding of the various applicable laws.

555 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:27:28am

re: #540 Vicious Babushka

The Enemy? Oh just fuck you Todd. You want to fight an enemy you fucking shitheel? Join. The. Military. Yeah, I’ll hold my breath while you find the nearest recruiting office.

This is perhaps THE thing that pisses me off the most about these freaking assholes. I’m no one’s enemy. I raised two awesome kids, I’ve been a good wife, a great daughter and an awesome friend. I work hard and I’ve overcome a lot of odds. I love my country and would never work to undermine it. So fuck you Todd. With a rusty pitchfork.

Asshole.

556 Gus  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:27:47am

re: #524 Lidane

Harry Reid. What a great progressive leader. How old is he 100?

557 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:29:23am

re: #555 A Mom Anon

The Enemy? Oh just fuck you Todd. You want to fight an enemy you fucking shitheel? Join. The. Military. Yeah, I’ll hold my breath while you find the nearest recruiting office.

This is perhaps THE thing that pisses me off the most about these freaking assholes. I’m no one’s enemy. I raised two awesome kids, I’ve been a good wife, a great daughter and an awesome friend. I work hard and I’ve overcome a lot of odds. I love my country and would never work to undermine it. So fuck you Todd. With a rusty pitchfork.

Asshole.

“The Enemy”: everyone who won’t send money to his TGDN Twitter scam.

558 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:29:39am

Because they can’t win on ideas:

559 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:29:40am

re: #555 A Mom Anon

The Enemy? Oh just fuck you Todd. You want to fight an enemy you fucking shitheel? Join. The. Military. Yeah, I’ll hold my breath while you find the nearest recruiting office.

This is perhaps THE thing that pisses me off the most about these freaking assholes. I’m no one’s enemy. I raised two awesome kids, I’ve been a good wife, a great daughter and an awesome friend. I work hard and I’ve overcome a lot of odds. I love my country and would never work to undermine it. So fuck you Todd. With a rusty pitchfork.

Asshole.

Really, I think that’s a big difference between their mindset and ours. I don’t like their ideology and I don’t like a lot of them but I don’t see them as THE ENEMY. Idiots, yes, but the enemy?

560 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:30:50am

re: #533 Lidane

Hahahaha:

Know who didn’t want Perry? GOP voters. He crashed and burned in the primaries.

Just think America.. It was possible for @GovernorPerry to be President right now. But…the “people” spoke & “they” want Obama.

I think that America already thunk about that, and thought that it was unthinkable. :-)

561 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:31:55am

re: #558 Lidane

Because they can’t win on ideas:

Yeah because it makes total sense to give more electoral votes to the man who lost the state. I am sick of this crappy proposal. It’s clear as day that it’s only being done because Republicans are sick of losing states that they were once able to win. I can see why smaller states like Maine and Nebraska split their EVs but splitting them in larger states is just stupid. Here’s a hint to Republicans, if you want to win Virginia, don’t nominate idiots like Romney and McCain.

562 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:33:33am

re: #558 Lidane

Barack Obama won Virginia & got all 13 electoral votes. Under new GOP plan, Obama wld have gotten 4, Romney 9 tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/group-…
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) January 24, 2013

If every or most of the States adopted this approach, there would never be another Democratic President ever again. This is scary.

563 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:34:09am

I wonder why this split EV proposal isn’t being considered in Texas? Oh wait I know why, because the Republicans would screw themselves in Texas if they did that but subverting the votes of Virginia Democratic voters is awesome because Republicans just can’t stand the fact that the majority of people in this country preferred Barack Obama over Mitt Romney. Get the fuck over it and actually present a decent candidate next time rather than some snobby dickhead who thinks nearly half the nation are a bunch of complainers.

564 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:39:45am
565 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:39:49am

re: #559 HappyWarrior

Yep. Right after 9/11 I remember everyone in our neighborhood kind of pulling together and being able to have actual rational discussions with my conservative neighbors about what we needed to do to fight terrorism here at home. Everyone pretty much agreed that the biggest thing was to stick together as Americans.

It wasn’t too long after that the local GA GOP started their shit. All that crap about liberals wanting to offer therapy to terrorists, and outright working to scare their constituency into hating their neighbors and family members who weren’t “conservative enough”. Ripped my family into pieces that still haven’t healed. Those awful ads Chambliss ran against Cleland, it only went downhill from there. Liberals and Democrats weren’t the ones who started this shit, no matter how badly they wish it were so. My neighbors have lost their damned minds, with their stupid “Compound” and hoarding guns. I do take that shit personally and they can kiss my ass if they think that bully shit is going to make me hide in a corner.

566 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:39:52am

It’s not about “fairness.” It’s about petty losers from the same people who shouted Sore Loserman repeatedly and ad naseum in 2000. I mean really what sense does it make to give a guy who gets 46% of the vote in a state more electoral votes than the guy who got over 50%? It only makes sense if you’re trying to rig it for your party. Fuck the Republican legislatures who are doing this. They’re trying to subvert people’s votes because they can’t handle the fact that their party is increasingly not viable in presidential elections. As I said, if they want to solve that problem, they should look at themselves rather than fucking with a process that has worked since the nation’s founding. And they accuse Obama and the Democrats of “social engineering.”

567 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:41:11am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

It’s clear as day that it’s only being done because Republicans are sick of losing states that they were once able to win.

They’re sick of losing those states but they fail to understand WHY they’re losing. The GOP is shrinking and becoming a regional white party. Mitt Romney lost with every single demographic group across the board. If the Republicans don’t start embracing ideas and people that are something other than white Southern evangelical Christians, they’re going to become irrelevant in just a few more election cycles.

They know this, but at the same time they think it’s as simple as rigging the Electoral College in their favor. After all, if the rules are stacked in your favor who cares if your ideas suck?

568 Four More Tears  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:42:28am

re: #558 Lidane

Because they can’t win on ideas:

To hell with the vox populi, they have elections to win.

569 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:44:09am

re: #566 HappyWarrior

It’s not about “fairness.” It’s about petty losers from the same people who shouted Sore Loserman repeatedly and ad naseum in 2000. I mean really what sense does it make to give a guy who gets 46% of the vote in a state more electoral votes than the guy who got over 50%? It only makes sense if you’re trying to rig it for your party. Fuck the Republican legislatures who are doing this. They’re trying to subvert people’s votes because they can’t handle the fact that their party is increasingly not viable in presidential elections. As I said, if they want to solve that problem, they should look at themselves rather than fucking with a process that has worked since the nation’s founding. And they accuse Obama and the Democrats of “social engineering.”

Most of the times government is nothing but an experiment in “social engineering”. The society changes as the environment of the country changes.

Subsidize railroads and the new transportation network changes as various cities specialize in products and grow based upon their location and assets. Subsidize truck usage and highways while forcing railroads to keep low freight rates and you grow a highway network, generate suburbs and bedroom communities, and eventually gut commuter rail and passenger rail service across most of the country. etc. etc.

And that’s not even getting into explicit attempts such as Prohibition.

570 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:45:14am
571 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:45:44am

Finally fixed my computer problem this morning. Firefox would load, but it wouldn’t let me load any websites. Had to use IE and reinstall Firefox from there.

572 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:47:09am

re: #571 Kragar

Finally fixed my computer problem this morning. Firefox would load, but it wouldn’t let me load any websites. Had to use IE and reinstall Firefox from there.

I fixed my computer problem by installing Chrome instead of Firefox.

573 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:47:31am

re: #572 Vicious Babushka

I fixed my computer problem by installing Chrome instead of Firefox.

+1

574 Jalal bin Smokin?  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:47:31am

re: #571 Kragar

Finally fixed my computer problem this morning. Firefox would load, but it wouldn’t let me load any websites. Had to use IE and reinstall Firefox from there.

Isn’t that what IE is for, to install a real browser?

575 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:47:48am

re: #572 Vicious Babushka

I fixed my computer problem by installing Chrome instead of Firefox.

I tried Chrome and hated it.

576 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:49:43am

Fischer: Abortion Rights Will Lead to Terrorist Attacks

Yesterday on Focal Point, American Family Association spokesman Bryan Fischer marked the anniversary of Roe v. Wade by predicting that America “will have to pay” for legal abortion: “It could be through civil war, it could be through anarchy, it could be through Muslim fundamentalists and terrorists attacks on the United States, but one way or another we cannot escape God’s justice.”

He went on to argue that Planned Parenthood clinics are no different from Nazi death camps. “You see a Planned Parenthood clinic, just think Birkenau, just think Auschwitz, just think Bergen-Belsen,” Fischer said, “because that’s what you are looking at, you are looking at an equivalent of a Nazi gas chamber.”

It already has, you medieval fuck. Ask George Tiller.

577 iossarian  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:50:38am

re: #574 JAFO

Isn’t that what IE is for, to install a real browser?

I can honestly say that that’s about the only thing I’ve used IE for in the past 5 years.

1) turn on new/repurposed computer
2) run IE
3) type “firefox/chrome” in search bar
4) bye bye IE

578 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:51:15am

Wingnuts all gloating over this, “Smithers, release the Food Stamps!”


Just like Black Friday at Walmart, where most of the Food Stamp recipients work.

579 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:51:36am
580 erik_t  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:51:49am

re: #576 Kragar

Fischer: Abortion Rights Will Lead to Terrorist Attacks

…because I’m going to keep beating the fucking Godwin war drum until one of my idiotic listeners goes out and kills someone.

581 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:52:02am

re: #577 iossarian

I can honestly say that that’s about the only thing I’ve used IE for in the past 5 years.

1) turn on new/repurposed computer
2) run IE
3) type “firefox/chrome” in search bar
4) bye bye IE

I use it to pay one bill a month, because the company that bills my water has a website from the beginning of time that refuses to load properly in any other browser.

582 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:52:11am

re: #575 Kragar

I tried Chrome and hated it.

I installed Chrome and it was great for a while, but it recently got so sluggish that I went back to Firefox. I could never figure out why Chrome went south the way it did, but waiting for it to open a page is slower than molasses.

583 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:52:34am

re: #567 Lidane

They’re sick of losing those states but they fail to understand WHY they’re losing. The GOP is shrinking and becoming a regional white party. Mitt Romney lost with every single demographic group across the board. If the Republicans don’t start embracing ideas and people that are something other than white Southern evangelical Christians, they’re going to become irrelevant in just a few more election cycles.

They know this, but at the same time they think it’s as simple as rigging the Electoral College in their favor. After all, if the rules are stacked in your favor who cares if your ideas suck?

Of course but that would require actually looking at their past and present strategies with a critical eye. They think the country’s too stupid to accept “conservatism.” Limbaugh’s dumb saying about people choosing the more conservative candidate every time applies here. Conservatism won’t die just like liberalism didn’t die in the 70’s and 80’s but conservatives need to get a grip and realize it’s 2013 and that stupid so con bullshit isn’t going to fly as easy as it used to.

584 allegro  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:53:12am

re: #580 erik_t

…because I’m going to keep beating the fucking Godwin war drum until one of my idiotic listeners goes out and kills someone else.

FTFY

585 andres  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:53:22am

re: #582 makeitstop

I installed Chrome and it was great for a while, but it recently got so sluggish that I went back to Firefox. I could never figure out why Chrome went south the way it did, but waiting for it to open a page is slower than molasses.

Usually Flash does that for me. I end up killing the plugin inside Chrome and it restores the usability.

586 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:53:27am

The latest Sandy Hook conspiracy TO TAEK UR GUNZ

587 Four More Tears  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:53:42am

re: #582 makeitstop

I installed Chrome and it was great for a while, but it recently got so sluggish that I went back to Firefox. I could never figure out why Chrome went south the way it did, but waiting for it to open a page is slower than molasses.

The only time it’s done something like to me was when I had a bad extension in there.

588 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:55:05am
589 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:55:28am

re: #585 andres

Usually Flash does that for me. I end up killing the plugin inside Chrome and it restores the usability.

That’s why I have the Kill-Flash extension for Chrome. I just automatically disable Flash unless I want to see it.

590 erik_t  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:56:24am

re: #584 allegro

…because I’m going to keep beating the fucking Godwin war drum until one of while my idiotic listeners go out and kill someone else.

FTFYFme.

591 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:56:27am

I should change my Twitter Nic to BOGUS QUOTE KILLER

592 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:56:43am

Erik Rush Warns We Will All Soon ‘Bow to Communist Overlords’

Americans have lived in relative safety and comfort for a very long time. It has been nearly 70 years since the nation operated in a modality that was geared toward its very survival, such as in the two World Wars. None of the military escapades in which we’ve since engaged possessed the gravity of those, and economically we have not suffered a calamity since the Great Depression matching that period.

Other nations cannot say the same. There are developed nations on the globe that can account for 100 million people having been murdered by their governments or in civil wars within the same 70 years. In undeveloped nations, the history is even bloodier and more bizarre, particularly if you include starvation deaths.

There are those in America who believe that the United States is long overdue for such upheaval, even deserving of same. In the 1960s and 1970s, radicals like President Obama’s mentor Bill Ayers and his Weather Underground comrades plotted America’s downfall, toying with estimations of how many millions of Americans they would have to kill to adequately pacify those remaining. This is not hearsay; it is a matter of public record. This methodology is boilerplate Marxism, in which Obama and key members of his Cabinet are well-versed, despite the benevolent representation of them maintained by the press.

The questions remain: How, then, is America’s karmic comeuppance to come about, and by what manner do Marxist operatives in our government intend to pacify those patriots who won’t bow to communist overlords?

As indicated, China will have a role to play, under the pretext of trade and debt satisfaction. Disarming the populace is also an integral part of the plan, which is why efforts to neutralize the Second Amendment are in play. Naturally, it will be far easier for a well-armed contingent of trained Chinese military scattered about the country to suppress an unarmed citizenry. China definitely has the personnel to spare, and some of the aforementioned Chinese companies reportedly have airfields on their campuses. I kid you not.

But infiltrators from Communist China certainly won’t be the only problem. As one may have noticed, Obama has also taken great pains to cull certain high-ranking American military leaders. While this may appear to be business as usual, I have good reason to believe that some have been released due to their disagreement with the administration over new policies of domestic engagement.

A number of orchestrated catastrophic catalysts intended to move the program into its next and most accursed phase remain on the table. Any of these would ignite full-blown domestic unrest.

What I’ve described would, of course, make Obama a veritable devil behind the most elaborate mask ever devised. It is altogether possible that history will regard him in precisely that way, barring his wholesale success in manifesting these designs, in which case he will be revered as America’s founders were once upon a time, or perhaps at the level of a religious figure.

Personally, I have counted Obama as a devil for a long time. I was fortunate enough to have commenced my study of him before most, and I can find few things more contemptible than his being able to look America in the eye (as it were) and quote the founders as well as Scripture, having done what he has done – not to mention what he has in store.

While the scenario I relate remains incomprehensible even to a goodly number of Obama detractors, the direct and circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. Logically, it just isn’t that difficult to surmise that someone who grew up infused with a hatred for America and admiring history’s greatest serial murderers, and who is a malignant narcissist himself, might perceive it as his destiny to outdo them all.

593 iossarian  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:58:10am

re: #591 Vicious Babushka

I should change my Twitter Nic to BOGUS QUOTE KILLER

Excuse me, while I kiss this guy.

— Jimi Hendrix

594 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:58:30am

Well, its certainly refreshing to see a journalist come right out and say Obama is the DEVIL!

595 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:59:05am

Dear Erik,

The Feline Overlords who want your homage are not communists. They are a strict catogarchy who expect you to recognize their inherent superiority and right to rule. The workers will get whatever they decide to give them, and no more.

So get back to fluffing the pillow and putting tuna in the food dish!

596 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:59:20am

re: #593 iossarian

Excuse me, while I kiss this guy.

— Jimi Hendrix

Don’t come around to night, or I’m bound to date your wife. Hey, the bathroom’s on the right. - John Foggerty

597 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:59:42am

re: #593 iossarian

Excuse me, while I kiss this guy.

— Jimi Hendrix

Excuse me, while I kiss this guy.—Thomas Jefferson.

598 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:01:04am

“I’m here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I’m all out of bubblegum.” - Jesus

599 iossarian  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:01:11am

Golden brown, texture like sun,
Lays me down, with my manchego.

— Cesar Chavez

600 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:02:41am

I like big butts and I cannot lie!—George Washington

601 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:09:00am

re: #593 iossarian

Excuse me, while I kiss this guy.

— Jimi Hendrix

Forever in debt to your Chrysler’s advice.

- Kurt Cobain

602 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:22:38am

re: #601 makeitstop

Forever in debt to your Chrysler’s advice.

- Kurt Cobain

My Chrysler doesn’t talk to me. Should I be concerned?


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I agree. Bans are not an option. Jurisdictions like DC will just have to deal with the fact that regulation is the path. Bans don't work. Bans are illegal and unwise. It's simple. we as a society have chosen to ...

1 day, 16 hours ago
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Romantic Heretic
Preventing Poverty Not Allowed As A Goal for Charity
The Canada Revenue Agency (Canada's equivalent of the IRS) has told OXFAM Canada that it cannot list 'preventing poverty' as a goal, only 'alleviating' it. The reason is "Relieving poverty is charitable, but preventing it is not." This is just ...

3 days, 18 hours ago
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FemNaziBitch
Safer Era Tests Wisdom of ‘Broken Windows’ Focus on Minor Crime
While the apparent chokehold fueled much of the initial public outcry, community leaders have begun asking whether focusing police officers so intently on such petty offenses makes sense in a city that is far different and far safer than ...

4 days, 1 hour ago
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Mentis Fugit
Frisson
Over at the quirky Riddled blog, I encountered this music video link. I have the album, but I had last listened long ago, and I had forgotten the lyrics. The lengthy, moody intro slowly drew me back thirty five years, ...

6 days, 11 hours ago
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BadExampleMan
The painful futility of war
This makes me furious. These men pledged their loyalty to their country and their country betrayed them. It treated them as disposable, throwing their lives away in a war that was premised on lies, that was chosen gleefully, and that ...

1 week, 1 day ago
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MichaelJ
Mick Fanning Wins J-Bay Open 2014
More: MICK FANNING WINS J-BAY OPEN Finals day for the contest was run in perfect Supertubes conditions. Too bad Kelly Slater and Jordy Smith were eliminated in lesser quality surf - it would have been amazing to have both of ...

1 week, 1 day ago
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Thrazidun
Paris: Jews Fight Back Against Islamist Mob - Jewish World - News - Arutz Sheva
More: Paris: Jews Fight Back Against Islamist Mob - Jewish World - News - Arutz Sheva

1 week, 3 days ago
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GlutenFreeJesus
Gotta love Chicago
Admittedly, I only started following these guys in the past year or two. They have been in the Chicago scene for awhile. And I kick myself after every show for not following them sooner. For any fans of Led Zeppelin, ...

1 week, 3 days ago
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 Frank says:

Well, you and I would differ on what's ignorance and educated. -- Senator Ernest Hollings to Zappa