Obama Family Gets a New Puppy, Daily Caller Says: “The Obamas Do Not Have Any White Dogs”

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Of course the right wing is losing their marbles again because the Obama family has a new puppy. That’s absolutely normal for them and totally expected.

But the Daily Caller takes it into flat-out racist territory: The Obamas Got a New Puppy, Everyone!

“A Portuguese Water Dog can range in cost wildly. On average, one will pay between $1,400 and $2,000. President Barack Obama has this breed of animal,” according to an answer on Ask.com.

With the addition of Sunny, the Obamas now have two black Portuguese water dogs.

The Obamas do not have any white dogs.

Remember though — there’s no racism on the right. At all. Ever. Totally made up by the left, who are the true racists.

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483 comments
1 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:16:13am

OFFS.

2 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:17:11am

The Daily Caller’s favorite movie: White Dog!

Youtube Video

3 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:17:23am

When I first heard about Sunny I wondered what the RWNJ could possibly come up with in derision. Admit I hadn’t thought of this one. /

4 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:17:48am

I have a cat. Orange.
John Boenher?
Guess I’m anti-everthingbutorange.

5 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:18:22am

re: #1 Vicious Babushka

OFFS.

In reply to your question about kosher restaurants in Prague, there’s two. You can check it out here: kosherprague.com

6 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:18:28am

HAVING TWO BLACK DOGS IS JUST OBAMA TRYING TO COVER UP FOR THE FACT THAT IS ONLY HALF BLACK, WHICH IS SOMEHOW AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TO MAKE!!!!!1ITY

Morans.

7 b.d.  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:18:47am

Dudebros are spazzing out about this too, saying the dog was brought in to divert from Glenn Greenwald’s stories etc., but I haven’t heard the racist dog bit from them……yet.

8 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:19:27am
A Portuguese Water Dog

Sounds very elitist. And far-in. Why not an American dog? //

9 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:19:53am

All I can say is, derp.

10 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:20:00am

New motto for the GOP.
Image: beaker-what-is-this-i-dont-even-hUKpVo.gif

11 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:20:42am

Derp. Copy/Paste fail!

12 Dr. Matt  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:20:49am

Typical for the teatards….injecting race into a story where race doesn’t exist.

13 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:20:50am

re: #5 Dr Lizardo

In reply to your question about kosher restaurants in Prague, there’s two. You can check it out here: kosherprague.com

Thanks very much!

14 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:21:29am

They’re not racists. They’re just dog-realists.

15 b.d.  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:21:33am

Barney & Mrs. Beazley were both Blah dogs too iirc.

16 jaunte  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:21:35am

Bring out your dead dumbassery:
From the comments:

John Brittingham
How much is it going to cost taxpayers to ferry Sunny around the world?

rich_b
yeah, they will need another helicopter and a Marine detachment to get this dog around in style……

V the K
It will have a C-17 on permanent stand-by at Andrews AFB for “walkies.”

davecross
No they don’t. All they need is a roasting pan

17 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:22:00am

I don’t expect much from the Daily Caller, but this one is just unbelievably disgusting. What the fuck is wrong with the right?

18 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:22:08am

Did Bush have white dogs??!?!
/

19 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:22:36am

re: #15 b.d.

Barney & Mrs. Beazley were both Blah dogs too iirc.

Stealing.

20 jaunte  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:23:14am

White dogs usually have skin problems, and are miserably itchy.

21 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:23:33am

Image: bush-barney.jpg
OUTRAGE!

22 Dr. Matt  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:23:38am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

What the fuck is wrong with the right?

Rhetorical question, right?

23 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:23:40am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

What the fuck is wrong with the right?

Obama got elected in 2008 and 2012.

24 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:23:59am

Why must taxpayers pay for another dog in the WH when we don’t even have any moar toors for the Kidz??!!!

25 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:24:47am

Wildmon: Secular Progressives ‘Hate The God Of The Bible’

Wildmon admitted that Christians in America are not suffering the same sort of persecution as Christians in other nations around the world, but warned that if America continues to follow this path, that same sort of persecution will soon be happening here “if you continue to denigrate people and their beliefs and their Bible.”

Wildmon blamed it all on secular progressives who are “progressing toward anarchy … or communism” and who “hate the Judeo-Christian worldview; in essence, they won’t tell you this necessarily, but they hate the god of the Bible ” and seek to rebel against him:

How much can someone really hate a fictional character? I don’t hate Palpatine, Vader, or Thulsa Doom, and they were all bad guys.

Now the people who write awful fanfiction, those people I hate.

26 b.d.  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:25:02am

re: #18 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Did Bush have white dogs??!?!
/

Bush’s dogs paid their way at The WHITE House by hunting badgers and shit, not like that freeloading Bo and his new skank bitch!!

27 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:25:09am
28 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:25:42am
29 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:25:43am

re: #25 Kragar

Wildmon: Secular Progressives ‘Hate The God Of The Bible’

I don’t hate the God of the Bible nearly as much as I hate those fucking white dogs.

(shakes fist at screen)

30 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:25:55am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

I don’t expect much from the Daily Caller, but this one is just unbelievably disgusting. What the fuck is wrong with the right?

For people who call themselves right, they usually aren’t.

31 brennant  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:26:37am

re: #28 darthstar

…and a Democrat. /

32 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:26:38am

re: #25 Kragar

Wildmon: Secular Progressives ‘Hate The God Of The Bible’

How much can someone really hate a fictional character?

Seriously. It’s hard to hate someone that doesn’t actually exist.

However, Jar Jar Binks was a rare exception to this rule.

33 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:26:47am

re: #28 darthstar

Which shooting was this?

34 Shypixel  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:27:04am

re: #4 Pavlovian Hive Mind

I’m new here. I already like you.

- Your friend in Orange, Shypixel

35 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:27:07am

So am I to assume that Ronald Reagan had the whitest dogs EVER?

36 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:27:15am

re: #32 Lidane

Seriously. It’s hard to hate someone that doesn’t actually exist.

However, Jar Jar Binks was a rare exception to this rule.

I would say its the exception which proves the rule.

37 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:27:21am

How very post-racial of them.
//

38 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:28:03am

re: #36 Kragar

I would say its the exception which proves the rule.

Oh noes, weesa in trouble now!

39 A Mom Anon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:28:38am

I like how they throw the price of the dog in there too. Bo was a gift from Ted Kennedy I believe, and so the hell what if they got Sunny from a breeder?(I personally think shelter dogs deserve priority, but ymmv) They have a kid who is allergic to dogs and this breed is considered hypoallergenic because of the low amount of shedding- both fur and dander. Plus, they are fluffy and cute and if you bitch about puppies you’re an asshole. Period, end of story. Asshole of Monumental Proportions. Congratulations.

As for not owning any white dogs, well, FUCK THE DAILY CALLER. Sideways, with assorted rusty farm implements. Does Tucker Carlson not have any other way to blow through that Swanson frozen foods fortune he’s heir to?

40 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:28:50am

Obama’s presidency has lasted nearly thirty-five (blackity black black!) dog years. No wonder they’re always so convinced that he’s assuming nefarious dictatorial powers.

41 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:29:10am

re: #33 Bulworth

Which shooting was this?

Today’s shooting. Elementary school in Georgia.

42 SnowdenBaggerVance  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:29:11am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

I don’t expect much from the Daily Caller, but this one is just unbelievably disgusting. What the fuck is wrong with the right?

It’s quite apparent the dogs are racist too.

43 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:29:37am

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh noes, weesa in trouble now!

From Hell’s heart, I stab at thee.

44 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:29:38am

re: #40 erik_t

Obama’s presidency has lasted nearly thirty-five (blackity black black!) dog years. No wonder they’re always so convinced that he’s assuming nefarious dictatorial powers.

I keep waiting for them to find some flimsy excuse for impeachment.

It’s only a matter of time.

45 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:29:40am

re: #13 Vicious Babushka

Thanks very much!

No problem at all; Josefov, the Jewish quarter of Prague, is a cool place. And of course, the legend of the Golem is ubiquitous in Prague. There’s a small chain of pizzerias called “Golem Pizza”.

46 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:29:51am

re: #42 Carlos Diggler

It’s quite apparent the dogs are racist too.

As we all know, pointing out the dog-racism is the real dog-racism.

47 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:30:05am

Have wingnuts brought up the fake story of “Obama’s dog walker makes $102K/yr!”

48 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:30:20am

Sorry, this story is simply too absurd for me to comment seriously about it.

49 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:30:29am

re: #34 Shypixel

I’m new here. I already like you.

- Your friend in Orange, Shypixel

Our welcoming committee must be busy fixing a bike so I’ll step up and say it, “Welcome hatchling.”

50 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:30:35am

re: #45 Dr Lizardo

No problem at all; Josefov, the Jewish quarter of Prague, is a cool place. And of course, the legend of the Golem is ubiquitous in Prague. There’s a small chain of pizzerias called “Golem Pizza”.

LOL

51 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:30:42am

re: #29 erik_t

I don’t have the God of the Bible nearly as much as I hate those fucking white dogs.

(shakes fist at screen)

They have their own restaurant!

White Dog Cafe

52 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:31:05am

re: #25 Kragar

Wildmon blamed it all on secular progressives who… “hate the god of the Bible ” and seek to rebel against him:

Well, He did have that dude who spilled his seed wacked and He had the other guy who picked up sticks on Saturday stoned. I’d like some explanation of those actions. //

53 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:31:09am

re: #48 erik_t

Sorry, this story is simply too absurd for me to comment seriously about it.

But ironically, it’s actually a far more important story than Greenwald is.

54 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:31:35am

These people are just simpletons.

So what about a white dog? DC already has a bunch of Blue Dogs.

Blue Dog Coalition
Fiscally Conservative Democrats

55 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:31:42am

re: #25 Kragar

Wildmon: Secular Progressives ‘Hate The God Of The Bible’

How much can someone really hate a fictional character? I don’t hate Palpatine, Vader, or Thulsa Doom, and they were all bad guys.

Now the people who write awful fanfiction, those people I hate.

I can’t think of a fictional character I hated. Disliked, yes…..Andy Robinson as the Scorpio Killer in the original “Dirty Harry” comes to mind, but that’s more a testament to Mr. Robinson’s acting abilities.

56 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:32:26am

re: #55 Dr Lizardo

I can’t think of a fictional character I hated. Disliked, yes…..Andy Robinson as the Scorpio Killer in the original “Dirty Harry” comes to mind, but that’s more a testament to Mr. Robinson’s acting abilities.

Tom f***ing Bombadil. Bigger waste of space than the state of Wyoming.

57 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:32:50am

Arizona Minuteman arrested for pointing AR-15 rifle at sheriff’s deputy

Richard Malley, 49, and two other group members were patrolling the area along Interstate 8 in search of illegal activity when two deputies approached, according to court documents. The Minutemen watch for unauthorized immigrants and drug smugglers crossing to Arizona from Mexico.

Malley pointed his rifle and flashlight at one of the deputies. He was also armed with a .45 caliber pistol and a fixed-blade knife. The deputy identified himself as a law enforcement officer, but Malley did not lower his weapon. Instead, he demanded that the deputy provide him with identification.

The deputy showed Malley his Maricopa County Sheriff uniform, including his badge, the patches on his sleeves and the word “Sheriff” across his chest. He then asked Malley to lay down his weapons, but Malley refused.

Malley was taken into custody once more deputies arrived. He said he thought the deputy was a drug smuggler and was in fear for his life.

“He’s lucky he’s still alive and he’s lucky my deputy is still alive. It could have been a very serious confrontation in the darkness at 9:30 at night,” Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio told Fox 10. “Somebody is gonna get killed one of these days over this situation.”

I don’t know, I think a shoot out between Arpaio and the Minutemen would be a case of poetic justice.

58 Mike Lamb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:33:07am

re: #55 Dr Lizardo

Joffrey from Game of Thrones. Also more a tribute to the actor (although the character in the book was a giant POS).

59 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:33:37am
60 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:33:49am

re: #56 erik_t

Tom f***ing Bombadil. Bigger waste of space than the state of Wyoming.

I just thumb right past that part.

61 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:33:59am

re: #50 Vicious Babushka

LOL

They have about four or five restaurants in Prague.

Image: 1610605988_38adc7f33a_z.jpg

62 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:34:25am

re: #56 erik_t

Tom f***ing Bombadil. Bigger waste of space than the state of Wyoming.

LOLOLOL

63 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:34:35am

re: #55 Dr Lizardo

I can’t think of a fictional character I hated. Disliked, yes…..Andy Robinson as the Scorpio Killer in the original “Dirty Harry” comes to mind, but that’s more a testament to Mr. Robinson’s acting abilities.

I’m very pleased he got the job for Elim Garak in DS9. He was the best character in the show.

64 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:35:58am

re: #61 Dr Lizardo

They have about four or five restaurants in Prague.

Image: 1610605988_38adc7f33a_z.jpg

All pizza from Pizzeria Gollum comes with anchovies!
;)

65 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:36:05am

OT: Sorry to interrupt, but I just saw this and thought it was pretty cool.

Synagogue’s completion means 1 house of worship done, 2 to go in tri-faith project

Temple Israel will move into its new west Omaha synagogue this month, a major step for keeping the congregation strong and for developing a site shared with Muslims and Christians.

Backers say the synagogue’s opening is evidence that the interfaith site, an idea that started taking root about eight years ago, will become reality. Plans call for building a church, a mosque and a center for all faiths near the synagogue as part of a tri-faith project.

The Episcopal Diocese of Nebraska will have a new partner at the church it plans to build — the Nebraska Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. The diocese invited the synod to collaborate on forming a congregation at the new church. Nationally, the Episcopal Church and Evangelical Lutheran Church have worked together for more than a dozen years on shared ministries.

Dr. Syed Mohiuddin, president of the Omaha-based American Institute of Islamic Studies and Culture, said the synagogue gives the tri-faith project a big boost.

“Having the first cornerstone makes our project even more viable,” he said.

He hopes the site will become a national model of religious collaboration, understanding and respect. Organizers believe it might be the only site nationally where Jewish, Islamic and Christian congregations are intentionally planning to build houses of worship in the same place. […]

66 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:36:17am

re: #58 Mike Lamb

Joffrey from Game of Thrones. Also more a tribute to the actor (although the character in the book was a giant POS).

It takes a solid actor to make a memorable villain.

Oh….this fellow: Image: boddicker.jpg

67 Minor_L  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:36:26am

These people are deranged.

68 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:37:53am

re: #56 erik_t

Tom f***ing Bombadil. Bigger waste of space than the state of Wyoming.

It helps to view that part of the book as a bad trip from the mushrooms they took from Farmer Maggot’s place.

69 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:38:18am

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

It takes a solid actor to make a memorable villain.

Oh….this fellow: Image: boddicker.jpg

Alan Rickman in “Die Hard” fit the bill as well.

70 SnowdenBaggerVance  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:39:12am

re: #46 erik_t

Those who bark racism are the real racists.

71 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:39:26am

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

It takes a solid actor to make a memorable villain.

Oh….this fellow: Image: boddicker.jpg

Cops don’t like him, so he doesn’t like cops…

72 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:39:38am

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

It takes a solid actor to make a memorable villain.

Oh….this fellow: Image: boddicker.jpg

Also, it is a bunch MOAR FUN to play a bad guy!

Samuel L. Jackson was just lovin’ his part in Django. He even happily wore blackface!

73 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:40:27am

re: #69 Feline Fearless Leader

Alan Rickman in “Die Hard” fit the bill as well.

Definitely. The cerebral villains are the best. Also, Dick Jones from “Robocop”. Just as ruthless as Boddicker, but with a much nicer office.

Image: robocop_38_2.png

74 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:40:58am

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

It takes a solid actor to make a memorable villain.

Oh….this fellow: Image: boddicker.jpg

Image: jean-baptiste_emanuel_zorg.png

75 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:41:39am

Pizzeria Gollum does *not* have french fries! Nassty hobbits can keep their filthy taters for themselvessss!

re: #73 Dr Lizardo

Definitely. The cerebral villains are the best. Also, Dick Jones from “Robocop”. Just as ruthless as Boddicker, but with a much nicer office.

Image: robocop_38_2.png

Boddicker also worked well because if you took his guns away he looked like an accountant. Probably due to the glasses.

76 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:41:43am

re: #56 erik_t

Tom f***ing Bombadil. Bigger waste of space than the state of Wyoming.

I was thrilled when they exiled him from the LOTR films. Peter Jackson rightly pointed out he had enough shit to film without adding musical numbers and that Bombadil added nothing to the main storyline.

77 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:42:25am

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

Also, it is a bunch MOAR FUN to play a bad guy!

Samuel L. Jackson was just lovin’ his part in Django. He even happily wore blackface!

Quite often, the villain is more interesting than the hero, and I’m pretty sure that given the duality of human nature, on some level, the audience is enthralled by the bad guy, if not outright rooting for him. A truly solid actor can turn the villain into the centerpiece of a film.

78 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:43:37am

Enjoy folksy villains—Jason Robards in “A Boy and His Dog”.

79 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:43:43am

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

Quite often, the villain is more interesting than the hero, and I’m pretty sure that given the duality of human nature, on some level, the audience is enthralled by the bad guy, if not outright rooting for him. A truly solid actor can turn the villain into the centerpiece of a film.

Christopher Lee said that playing villains was better since they got to have all the fun.

80 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:43:50am

My latest favorite villain:

The Swede

81 Shypixel  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:44:15am

re: #49 Single-handed sailor

Thanks :)

I am a long time Wonkette nutcase, recovering republican (slow conversion began in 2003), orange pixel from Missoula, Montana. Make a living crafting UI for web apps, spend a living raising two boys and two dogs.

Been lurking here a short while, but finally decided to make an account when I was promised a large cash payout.

No, I won’t share.

82 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:44:23am

re: #76 Lidane

I was thrilled when they exiled him from the LOTR films. Peter Jackson rightly pointed out he had enough shit to film without adding musical numbers and that Bombadil added nothing to the main storyline.

The thing I remember about Tom Bombadil from the LOTR books is that he had a hot Elf girlfriend. They should have kept her in. Too few female characters.

83 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:45:02am

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Enjoy folksy villains—Jason Robards in “A Boy and His Dog”.

Oh yes….he was good in that film.

84 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:45:18am

Dennis Hopper in Speed was a scary MFer too.

85 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:46:31am

re: #79 Feline Fearless Leader

Christopher Lee said that playing villains was better since they got to have all the fun.

I would agree; they don’t have to follow any moral constraints. Hence, it’s party time!

86 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:46:33am

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

Quite often, the villain is more interesting than the hero, and I’m pretty sure that given the duality of human nature, on some level, the audience is enthralled by the bad guy, if not outright rooting for him. A truly solid actor can turn the villain into the centerpiece of a film.

You do get some interesting films where they have more complex hero-villain relationship where things are not black/white about the characters. TMC was doing Randolph Scott films last night and between “The Tall T”* and “Ride the High Country” Scott got to play both sides of the equation.

* - “The Tall T” was based on an Elmore Leonard story.

87 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:46:50am

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

Quite often, the villain is more interesting than the hero, and I’m pretty sure that given the duality of human nature, on some level, the audience is enthralled by the bad guy, if not outright rooting for him. A truly solid actor can turn the villain into the centerpiece of a film.

I’ve often thought that’s because heroes have certain rules they have to follow or else they are not the Hero anymore. They can’t be unethical, they can’t be immoral, they can’t be corrupt, etc.

The villain on the other hand can be as immoral, unethical, petty, sadistic or vindictive as they want and still make it fit the character. For that reason, to me, villains have more flexibility.

There’s a reason Darth Vader is probably the most popular of all Star Wars characters.

88 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:47:01am

re: #73 Dr Lizardo

Definitely. The cerebral villains are the best. Also, Dick Jones from “Robocop”. Just as ruthless as Boddicker, but with a much nicer office.

Image: robocop_38_2.png

Even those who spent years in exile.

89 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:47:02am

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

A truly solid actor can turn the villain into the centerpiece of a film.

See: Fandom, Avengers.

Everyone in the Marvel Comic-Con presentation lost their shit when Tom Hiddleston showed up as Loki. And he’s more prominent in the Thor trailer than most of the other characters when he’s probably got just a few minutes of screen time at best.

90 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:47:24am

re: #81 Shypixel

Thanks :)

I am a long time Wonkette nutcase, recovering republican (slow conversion began in 2003), orange pixel from Missoula, Montana. Make a living crafting UI for web apps, spend a living raising two boys and two dogs.

Been lurking here a short while, but finally decided to make an account when I was promised a large cash payout.

No, I won’t share.

Plenty of Soros dollars to go around.

91 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:47:35am

re: #83 Dr Lizardo

Oh yes….he was good in that film.

Some other site rediscoverd “Seconds”. Super creepy Will Greer.

92 sagehen  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:47:48am

Youtube Video

93 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:48:08am

re: #49 Single-handed sailor

Our welcoming committee must be busy fixing a bike so I’ll step up and say it, “Welcome hatchling.”

I was indeed fixing a bike.

A nice man wanted to help a poor neighbor, so he brought the neghbor’s bike in for a seat post. Since he’s being nice to his neighbor, I thought I’d pitch in. “Want me to throw it up in the rack to air the tires and oil the chain?” ‘Sure!’

Hmm…. rear wheel doesn’t turn. Oh, it’s bent. I go to take the wheel off, and it falls off. But the axle is bent. And the brake pads are falling apart. And the cables are rusty.

Got him out of here $40 and 45 minutes later, with a fairly functional bike..

94 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:48:43am

re: #87 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve often thought that’s because heroes have certain rules they have to follow or else they are not the Hero anymore. They can’t be unethical, they can’t be immoral, they can’t be corrupt, etc.

The villain on the other hand can be as immoral, unethical, petty, sadistic or vindictive as they want and still make it fit the character. For that reason, to me, villains have more flexibility.

There’s a reason Darth Vader is probably the most popular of all Star Wars characters.

And partially that he was a cosmic bad-ass in Ep IV and Ep V. And then his character was assassinated by Lucas in Ep I-III.

95 sagehen  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:49:33am

re: #80 Kragar

My latest favorite villain:

The Swede

that same actor was Todd-the-Wraith on Stargate Atlantis…

96 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:50:35am

re: #93 wrenchwench

I was indeed fixing a bike.

A nice man wanted to help a poor neighbor, so he brought the neghbor’s bike in for a seat post. Since he’s being nice to his neighbor, I thought I’d pitch in. “Want me to throw it up in the rack to air the tires and oil the chain?” ‘Sure!’

Hmm…. rear wheel doesn’t turn. Oh, it’s bent. I go to take the wheel off, and it falls off. But the axle is bent. And the brake pads are falling apart. And the cables are rusty.

Got him out of here $40 and 45 minutes later, with a fairly functional bike..

Sounds almost like a recipe for “stone soup”.

97 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:50:53am

re: #34 Shypixel

Welcome, hatchling.

98 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:51:21am

re: #87 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve often thought that’s because heroes have certain rules they have to follow or else they are not the Hero anymore. They can’t be unethical, they can’t be immoral, they can’t be corrupt, etc.

The villain on the other hand can be as immoral, unethical, petty, sadistic or vindictive as they want and still make it fit the character. For that reason, to me, villains have more flexibility.

There’s a reason Darth Vader is probably the most popular of all Star Wars characters.

Darth Vader is one of the greatest screen villains ever. His real time to shine was “The Empire Strikes Back”, where he strangled half the Imperial Starfleet command corps, menaced Billy Dee Williams, and of course, revealed some rather fascinating backstory that changed the dynamic between himself and the central protagonist.

Not to mention he just looked - and sounded - badass.

99 sagehen  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:51:43am

re: #25 Kragar

Wildmon: Secular Progressives ‘Hate The God Of The Bible’

How much can someone really hate a fictional character? I don’t hate Palpatine, Vader, or Thulsa Doom, and they were all bad guys.

Now the people who write awful fanfiction, those people I hate.

I hated Kimmie Bauer, I wanted that coyote to eat her.

100 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:52:35am

re: #95 sagehen

that same actor was Todd-the-Wraith on Stargate Atlantis…

Yeah, he’s been in a ton of shows over the years, but he just killed it as The Swede (even though he is Norwegian.)

Youtube Video

101 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:53:39am

Question about Page ethics-Obviously we have the three or four paragraph limit to articles written for newspapers, original work etc. But would that apply to a “About Us” statement from a political organization? I’d think not but looking to confirm or really edit a Page I’m working on.

102 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:54:11am
103 Shypixel  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:54:29am

re: #97 wrenchwench

Thanks :)

It is nice to see that you people know a little bit about the life cycle of a pixel.

Or do you call all newbies hatchlings?

Great. I was feeling special for a moment there…

104 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:55:55am

White dogs tend to carry the gene for deafness, so ironically a white dog might be less likely to hear the dog whistle.

105 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:56:24am

re: #103 Shypixel

Thanks :)

It is nice to see that you people know a little bit about the life cycle of a pixel.

Or do you call all newbies hatchlings?

Great. I was feeling special for a moment there…

LGF users are lizards, for reasons that have never been clear to me. Lizards hatch from eggs.

Science.

106 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:57:37am

re: #87 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve often thought that’s because heroes have certain rules they have to follow or else they are not the Hero anymore. They can’t be unethical, they can’t be immoral, they can’t be corrupt, etc.

A goody two-shoes hero can’t be. But some of the more interesting heroes are deeply flawed people who try to do the right thing.

Han Solo is considered a hero and the first time we see him he shoots Greedo, no questions asked. (And no, I don’t accept Lucas changing that scene. Han shot first, dammit.) Tony Stark is a womanizer, war profiteer, alcoholic and all-around arrogant asshole the first time we meet him and he ends up the hero.

I think the best heroes are the ones who aren’t perfect.

The villain on the other hand can be as immoral, unethical, petty, sadistic or vindictive as they want and still make it fit the character. For that reason, to me, villains have more flexibility.

There’s a reason Darth Vader is probably the most popular of all Star Wars characters.

Boba Fett called. He wanted to point out that despite not doing much in the films, he’s pretty damned popular. Hehe.

There’s something liberating about playing the villain. For an actor, they can get mean and nasty and do and say things that they wouldn’t do in real life. If they’re really good at their job, they’ll make us like or even sympathize with the bad guy as the story unfolds. Just look at Dexter. There are people who think he’s the hero of the story when he’s a serial killer.

I love a good villain. When the actor can make me feel empathy for a monster, that’s a win in my book.

107 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:58:37am

re: #94 Feline Fearless Leader

And partially that he was a cosmic bad-ass in Ep IV and Ep V. And then his character was assassinated by Lucas in Ep I-III.

Think what made Vader so effective a villain was the mystery behind him, who Anakin Skywalker was before his fall. The original trilogy built him up as one of the most powerful Jedi ever, a great and honorable man. Then Lucas seemed to decide decades later “Kids want a whiny, angsty protagonist! We’ll turn the most badass villain ever into an emokid!”

108 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:58:43am

re: #106 Lidane

Han shot first, dammit.

Stopped reading at this point, went to upding immediately, then read the rest of the comment.

109 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:58:59am

re: #101 Political Atheist

Question about Page ethics-Obviously we have the three or four paragraph limit to articles written for newspapers, original work etc. But would that apply to a “About Us” statement from a political organization? I’d think not but looking to confirm or really edit a Page I’m working on.

Don’t think there’s an ethical issue quoting something the author intends to be disseminated. The “Wall of Text” problems pops up, though.

110 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 11:59:01am

OFFS. Deranged much DC?

111 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:00:04pm

re: #102 Gus

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You know, I’ve often wondered when the old, latent anti-Semitism in the hard right was going to re-emerge, and what would happen when that anti-Semitism went head-to-head with the (highly dubious) support for Israel exhibited by so many on the right these days. Who wins the day?

Could be interesting.

112 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:00:11pm
113 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:00:37pm

re: #68 Jack Burton

It helps to view that part of the book as a bad trip from the mushrooms they took from Farmer Maggot’s place.

Don’t forget that TB at one point slipped the ring onto his finger and nothing at all happened to him…

114 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:00:43pm

re: #101 Political Atheist

Question about Page ethics-Obviously we have the three or four paragraph limit to articles written for newspapers, original work etc. But would that apply to a “About Us” statement from a political organization? I’d think not but looking to confirm or really edit a Page I’m working on.

I think that would be OK.

115 chadu  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:01:43pm

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

Quite often, the villain is more interesting than the hero, and I’m pretty sure that given the duality of human nature, on some level, the audience is enthralled by the bad guy, if not outright rooting for him. A truly solid actor can turn the villain into the centerpiece of a film.

Hail Ming!

116 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:02:39pm

re: #113 Sol Berdinowitz

Don’t forget that TB at one point slipped the ring onto his finger and nothing at all happened to him…

Yeah, someone suggested giving the Ring to TB for safekeeping at the Council and somebody (Gandalf, I think) said “He’d just put it somewhere and forget about it.” Like they all thought TB had dementia or something.

117 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:03:12pm

Seriously just when you think the right can’t get any more deranged in their hatred for this president and his family, they bitch about the color of his dog’s hair. Anyhow, beautiful animals. We considered getting Portuguese Water Dogs- ultimately got Standard Poddles since my mom and younger brother had an allergy like Obama’s daughter and that’s probably why they chose to get a dog from a breeder here. You’d like to get a shelter dog. Besides, it’s a dog and every dog wants a home.

118 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:03:25pm

re: #112 Gus

Caught that the other day. The priest who founded the organization and will speak there was suspended for The Crazy some time ago.

119 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:05:13pm

On the subject of great film villains- Daniel Day-Lewis as Bill the Butcher in Gangs of New York. That alone is why that movie is a good one.Apparently DDL prepped for the role by listening to old recordings of Walt Whitman to get down what a mid 19th century New York accent sounded like.

120 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:05:36pm

re: #115 chadu

Hail Ming!

But of course, even the most scenery-chewing villain must face the music when all is said and done.

Youtube Video

121 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:05:45pm

bbl

122 Slap  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:06:32pm

Hey, VB —

Did you see the corrected link downstairs? In case not, Here:

theculturedkitchen.net

123 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:07:34pm

re: #115 chadu

Hail Ming!

Scenery chewing competition between Max von Sydow and Brian Blessed!

124 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:07:44pm

re: #109 Decatur Deb

Don’t think there’s an ethical issue quoting something the author intends to be disseminated. The “Wall of Text” problems pops up, though.

True. Got the quote Q thing workin’, so might be all good.

re: #114 Charles Johnson

I think that would be OK.

Thanks mucho.

125 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:07:45pm

re: #106 Lidane

A few years back, there was a movie called Revolver. One of the characters in a hitman who pretty much will kill anyone, until his crew found the line he wouldn’t cross. That guy was awesome.

Youtube Video

126 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:07:48pm

Just got here, finally able to post after struggling with high pain from bad leg for hours. I cannot believe the color of the president’s dog is an issue for some people.

127 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:07:59pm

Speaking of movie villains, who should play:

Bryan Fischer
Charles & David Koch
Pat Robertson
Rand Paul
Rick Santorum

if they ever make movies about those guys?

128 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:08:15pm

re: #122 Slap

Hey, VB —

Did you see the corrected link downstairs? In case not, Here:

theculturedkitchen.net

Thanks!

129 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:09:22pm

re: #127 Vicious Babushka

Speaking of movie villains, who should play:

Bryan Fischer
Charles & David Koch
Pat Robertson
Rand Paul
Rick Santorum

if they ever make movies about those guys?

Jerry Lewis—all of them.

130 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:10:32pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

Jerry Lewis—all of them.

I was thinking Leonardo DiCaprio.

131 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:11:04pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

Think what made Vader so effective a villain was the mystery behind him, who Anakin Skywalker was before his fall. The original trilogy built him up as one of the most powerful Jedi ever, a great and honorable man. Then Lucas seemed to decide decades later “Kids want a whiny, angsty protagonist! We’ll turn the most badass villain ever into an emokid!”

The SW Prequels are the worst steaming piles of Bantha poodoo to ever hit the screen. In short, a warning of what happens when Lucas surrounds himself with timid Yes-Men and isn’t challenged by creative people who will point out when something is stupid or makes no sense. That happened in the original trilogy and it was epic (even ROTJ). It was absent in the prequels and just see what happened.

132 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:11:36pm

With so many remakes and reimaginings of old franchises in recent years, it’s sometimes hard to point at one villain without the question of “But what about the new version?” Like trying to decide between Nicholson’s Joker and Ledger’s Joker.

133 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:12:20pm

So what’s the ROI for a racist article about the President’s new dog? Does generating this level of outrage pay off in new visits and advertising click throughs?

134 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:12:33pm

re: #131 Jack Burton

The SW Prequels are the worst steaming piles of Bantha poodoo to ever hit the screen. In short, a warning of what happens when Lucas surrounds himself with timid Yes-Men and isn’t challenged by creative people who will point out when something is stupid or makes no sense. That happened in the original trilogy and it was epic (even ROTJ). It was absent in the prequels and just see what happened.

Which was what made it great that he was selling the franchise, to finally put some distance between him and it…then I saw who he was selling the franchise to.

135 Ming  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:13:35pm

re: #32 Lidane

Seriously. It’s hard to hate someone that doesn’t actually exist.
However, Jar Jar Binks was a rare exception to this rule.

Yes, Jar Jar reminded me of MS Office “clippy”. I actually sorta liked that paper clip in the lower-left, with the big eyes. But Jar Jar was way too much.

136 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:13:48pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

Which was what made it great that he was selling the franchise, to finally put some distance between him and it…then I saw who he was selling the franchise to.

137 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:14:26pm

re: #133 darthstar

So what’s the ROI for a racist article about the President’s new dog? Does generating this level of outrage pay off in new visits and advertising click throughs?

Unless the RW is doing Bray for Pay, we stopped dealing in rational motives sometime in 2010.

138 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:14:39pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

Which was what made it great that he was selling the franchise, to finally put some distance between him and it…then I saw who he was selling the franchise to.

Disney… cautiously optimistic.

JJ Abrams can direct well, it’s just that he’s normally directing very badly written incoherent messes that he has to do his best with. SW 7-9 will be made or broken by whoever is writing them.

139 Shypixel  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:14:55pm

re: #133 darthstar

Two fold:

1) They get wingnut cred for exposing the outrage.

-and-

2) They can claim it was all just to Troll the reactionary left.

It’s Win-Win for them, Lose-Lose for everybody else. So the usual Conservative MO…

ED: I get a little OCD with my spacing.

140 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:17:13pm
141 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:19:02pm

re: #138 Jack Burton

Disney… cautiously optimistic.

JJ Abrams can direct well, it’s just that he’s normally directing very badly written incoherent messes that he has to do his best with. SW 7-9 will be made or broken by whoever is writing them.

Abrams tends to work best when he has a blank canvas to paint on. When he’s got somebody else’s work in front of him, he’s almost mystically compelled to slap it with white paint and then start over again. He can’t pull the “time travel reset button” on Star Wars that he could on Star Trek.

142 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:19:03pm

re: #140 darthstar

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One Master, one Apprentice. It is the Sith Way.

143 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:21:11pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

Abrams tends to work best when he has a blank canvas to paint on. When he’s got somebody else’s work in front of him, he’s almost mystically compelled to slap it with white paint and then start over again. He can’t pull the “time travel reset button” on Star Wars that he could on Star Trek.

“Let’s really explore the possibilities of midicholrians.”

144 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:21:16pm

When pigs fly.

Image: 1006308_10151841986729479_608141470_n.jpg

145 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:21:17pm

re: #142 Kragar

One Master, one Apprentice. It is the Sith Way.

But which was destroyed, the master or the apprentice?

146 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:22:05pm

re: #145 Targetpractice

But which was destroyed, the master or the apprentice?

“ONLY THE SITH DEAL IN ABSOLUTES!”

147 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:22:17pm

re: #135 Ming

Yes, Jar Jar reminded me of MS Office “clippy”. I actually sorta liked that paper clip in the lower-left, with the big eyes. But Jar Jar was way too much.

I loved the way that people took that paper clip and turned it into a sarcastic meme. It made me laugh.

148 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:22:37pm

re: #143 Kragar

“Let’s really explore the possibilities of midicholrians.”

President Obama doesn’t talk to white midichlorians.

149 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:22:59pm

re: #143 Kragar

“Let’s really explore the possibilities of midicholrians.”

Best thing Abrams could do if he did hit the reset button would be to say “First off, the prequels never happened. EVER. Breathing word of those events is punishable by force choke.”

Runner up option? Have Jar-Jar publicly executed as an Imperial collaborator in the first few minutes.

150 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:23:27pm

re: #147 Lidane

I loved the way that people took that paper clip and turned it into a sarcastic meme. It made me laugh.

“Hi. I see you’re trying to draft a suicide note…”

151 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:24:08pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

Best thing Abrams could do if he did hit the reset button would be to say “First off, the prequels never happened. EVER. Breathing word of those events is punishable by force choke.”

Runner up option? Have Jar-Jar publicly executed as an Imperial collaborator in the first few minutes.

Ditch the Jedi Robes. Just toss them right the fuck out.

152 Shypixel  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:24:22pm

re: #148 darthstar

President [Usurper] Obama doesn’t talk to white midichlorians.

FTFY

153 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:24:38pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

Which was what made it great that he was selling the franchise, to finally put some distance between him and it…then I saw who he was selling the franchise to.

Speaking of which, they’ve announced a crossover between Star Wars and Phineas & Ferb.

Apparently they’re going to use the Rosencrantz & Guildenstern conceit — the kids will be from the moisture farm next door and watch the film’s events unfold from the side.

154 Shypixel  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:25:01pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

“Hi. I see you’re trying to draft a suicide note…”

You spelled “useless” wrong…

ht to XKCD

155 Dr. Matt  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:25:12pm

Dog Plays Fetch With Himself Along The River

fb-troublemakers.com

156 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:25:19pm

re: #152 Shypixel

FTFY

Thanks, and welcome to LGF.

157 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:25:24pm

re: #153 Lidane

Speaking of which, they’ve announced a crossover between Star Wars and Phineas & Ferb.

Apparently they’re going to use the Rosencrantz & Guildenstern conceit — the kids will be from the moisture farm next door and watch the film’s events unfold from the side.

Could be worth a watch.

158 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:25:27pm

re: #69 Feline Fearless Leader

Alan Rickman in “Die Hard” fit the bill as well.

And also played a very caring doctor in “Something the Lord Made”. Good actor.

159 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:25:39pm

re: #143 Kragar

“Let’s really explore the possibilities of midicholrians.”

With lens flare! Lots and lots of lens flare! Lens flare for everybody!

////

160 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:26:13pm

re: #159 Lidane

With lens flare! Lots and lots of lens flare! Lens flare for everybody!

////

“We need more lens flare on the light sabers.”

161 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:27:39pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

Runner up option? Have Jar-Jar publicly executed as an Imperial collaborator in the first few minutes.

That should be the opening scene, right after the title crawl.

162 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:27:40pm

Fun Fact: During the filming of the Phantom Menace, Ewan McGregor had to be repeatedly told not to make the whir-whir noise during the light saber fights

163 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:27:44pm

re: #160 Kragar

“We need more lens flare on the light sabers.”

“Okay, cue the giant monster noises from behind the bushes!”

164 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:28:51pm

re: #162 Kragar

Fun Fact: During the filming of the Phantom Menace, Ewan McGregor had to be repeatedly told not to make the whir-whir noise during the light saber fights

LOLOLOLOL

165 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:31:23pm

My favorite villain actor of all time: Christopher Walken.

166 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:31:25pm

Hmm, on CNN they’re saying that Nsynch is going to reunite. No word yet on whether this is being considered a terrorist threat.

167 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:32:33pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

My favorite villain actor of all time: Christopher Walken.

With or without cowbell?

168 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:32:58pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

Abrams tends to work best when he has a blank canvas to paint on. When he’s got somebody else’s work in front of him, he’s almost mystically compelled to slap it with white paint and then start over again. He can’t pull the “time travel reset button” on Star Wars that he could on Star Trek.

Yes but, Abrams didn’t write them. The new Star Trek movies were Orci and Kurzman’s messes.

169 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:33:06pm

re: #151 Kragar

Ditch the Jedi Robes. Just toss them right the fuck out.

Bears repeating.

Kenobi is a crazy old hermit in the desert. Of course he wears crazy old desert hermit clothes. Skywalker naturally wears, like, shirts and pants when he has stuff to do.

Fast forward backward to a time slightly longer ago and WE’RE ALL IN THE CAPITAL CITY OF THE WHOLE DAMNED GALAXY, AS A MAJOR PART OF THE SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT, AND WE’RE ALL DRESSED LIKE CRAZY OLD DESERT HERMITS.

SMFH.

170 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:34:00pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

My favorite villain actor of all time: Christopher Walken.

Good one.

John Lithgow has done a few good villain turns. Both comic/over the top and not.

171 aagcobb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:35:10pm

Wildmon warned that if America continues to follow this path, that same sort of persecution will soon be happening here “if you continue to denigrate people and their beliefs and their Bible.”

Then he immediately launched into denigrating “secular progressives” and their beliefs. This guy has absolutely no self-awareness.

172 ObserverArt  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:35:40pm

Everyone knows how police investigators spray a crime scene with Luminol to have blood protein illuminate when shown under black light.

Since he was elected, President Obama has metaphorically sprayed ‘Racistsall’ all over America. With a little ‘black’ light all the racist have shown up.

They may have tried to cover up their past crimes, but with Racistsall they pop right out.

173 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:36:43pm

Now, in the olden days, it was pretty hard to beat Vincent Price, Bela Lugosi and Boris Karloff.

174 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:36:46pm
175 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:37:22pm

re: #171 aagcobb

Wildmon warned that if America continues to follow this path, that same sort of persecution will soon be happening here “if you continue to denigrate people and their beliefs and their Bible.”

Then he immediately launched into denigrating “secular progressives” and their beliefs. This guy has absolutely no self-awareness.

No, he has a monopoly on The Truth.

/

176 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:37:24pm

re: #170 Feline Fearless Leader

Good one.

John Lithgow has done a few good villain turns. Both comic/over the top and not.

When he’s not comic as a villain, as a hitman in ‘Blow-Out’ and as the Trinity Killer on ‘Dexter’, Lithgow’s villains have tended towards icemen whose demeanor is in itself terrifying.

177 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:37:42pm

re: #168 Jack Burton

Yes but, Abrams didn’t write them. The new Star Trek movies were Orci and Kurzman’s messes.

Oh and Damon Lindelof… someone needs to keep that guy away from Sci-Fi. He almost single handedly ruined Prometheus.

178 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:38:25pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now, in the olden days, it was pretty hard to beat Vincent Price, Bela Lugosi and Boris Karloff.

Andy Griffith—“A Face in the Crowd”.

179 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:39:03pm

re: #170 Feline Fearless Leader

Good one.

John Lithgow has done a few good villain turns. Both comic/over the top and not.

Robin Williams in “One Hour Photo”. A brilliantly creepy performance as Seymour Perrish.

180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:39:18pm

re: #178 Decatur Deb

Andy Griffith—“A Face in the Crowd”.

ooooh…yes!

181 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:39:42pm

re: #162 Kragar

Fun Fact: During the filming of the Phantom Menace, Ewan McGregor had to be repeatedly told not to make the whir-whir noise during the light saber fights

Hayden Christensen did the same thing in Attack of the Clones when they first gave him a lightsaber.

182 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:40:09pm

re: #170 Feline Fearless Leader

Good one.

John Lithgow has done a few good villain turns. Both comic/over the top and not.

“Laugh while you can Monkeyboy!”

183 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:40:51pm
Louise Fletcher says she can’t bear to watch “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” because the Nurse Ratched character she won an Oscar for is so cruel.

“I find it too painful,” said Fletcher, 78. “It comes with age. I can’t watch movies that are inhumane.”

[…]

Fletcher said better known actresses turned down the role, and it wasn’t until she saw the film for the first time with an audience, in Chicago, that she was convinced she pulled it off.

In scene where McMurphy throws Nurse Ratched against the wall and chokes her in a fit of rage, she said, “they all stood up and cheered in the theater and were stomping their feet. That got to me. I realized, ‘Hey, I created a real villain here.’”

Read more: foxnews.com

184 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:41:08pm

Not as well remembered, but very good: Kiefer Sutherland in ‘Phone Booth’. Though that character might be considered an antagonist rather than a true villain.

185 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:41:19pm

re: #166 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm, on CNN they’re saying that Nsynch is going to reunite. No word yet on whether this is being considered a terrorist threat.

Youtube Video

186 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:41:25pm

re: #178 Decatur Deb

Andy Griffith—“A Face in the Crowd”.

Lonesome Rhodes. Populist demagogue, and my personal favorite of Andy Griffith’s performances.

187 blueraven  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:41:41pm

Gary Oldman in The Professional was pretty awesome

m.theglobeandmail.com

188 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:41:57pm

re: #177 Jack Burton

Oh and Damon Lindelof… someone needs to keep that guy away from Sci-Fi. He almost single handedly ruined Prometheus.

re: #182 Jack Burton

“Laugh while you can Monkeyboy!”

Then there was Christopher Lloyd.

“It’s not my goddamned planet! Understand, monkeyboy?”

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:41:57pm

Glenn Close does a really great job as a female villain.

190 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:42:17pm

Bush’s didn’t have any white dogs either.

I think the Clinton’s Cat was partially white…

191 aagcobb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:42:38pm

re: #111 Dr Lizardo

You know, I’ve often wondered when the old, latent anti-Semitism in the hard right was going to re-emerge, and what would happen when that anti-Semitism went head-to-head with the (highly dubious) support for Israel exhibited by so many on the right these days. Who wins the day?

Could be interesting.

The Israel supporters; Israel is their Armageddon machine.

192 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:42:49pm

Drive-by cuteness break in case anyone needs it:

193 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:42:58pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

Not as well remembered, but very good: Kiefer Sutherland in ‘Phone Booth’. Though that character might be considered an antagonist rather than a true villain.

Definitely, proof that sometimes the best villainous performance is one where the villain never actually shows up onscreen til the very end.

194 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:44:06pm

re: #166 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm, on CNN they’re saying that Nsynch is going to reunite. No word yet on whether this is being considered a terrorist threat.

Our culture continues to recycle old ideas to the point where even our teenage heart-throb boy bands are middle-aged has-beens.

195 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:45:21pm

re: #191 aagcobb

The Israel supporters; Israel is their Armageddon machine.

Exactly. That’s why I put “highly dubious” in my post. For the fundie wingnuts, Israel is a means to an end, and nothing more.

196 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:45:23pm

Great villains that go beyond the usual suspects?

Keyser Soze aka Kevin Spacey

DeNiro or Mitchum as Max Cady.

Gert Fröbe as Auric Goldfinger.

197 leftynyc  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:45:33pm

re: #69 Feline Fearless Leader

Alan Rickman in “Die Hard” fit the bill as well.

Funny - when I think of Rickman I tend to remember him as Metatron in Dogma (a movie I adored). But he really was a nasty SOB in DH.

198 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:45:43pm

re: #194 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Our culture continues to recycle old ideas to the point where even our teenage heart-throb boy bands are middle-aged has-beens.

The Stones are still on-tour. We as a culture never throw anything away. We’re hoarders of ideas, both good and bad.

199 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:46:24pm

re: #187 blueraven

Gary Oldman in 5th Element… Jean Emanuel Baptiste Zorg…

200 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:48:01pm

re: #197 leftynyc

Funny - when I think of Rickman I tend to remember him as Metatron in Dogma (a movie I adored). But he really was a nasty SOB in DH.

He is a great villain —even in Harry Potter he played it so well.

201 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:48:22pm

Another character actor who did a good villain turn was James Hong as Lo Pan in “Big Trouble in Little China”.

202 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:48:39pm

Larry Drake has been some awesome villains in his day.

203 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:49:16pm

First sophisticated Cowboys ‘n Indians villain—Hugh O’Brien playing American Horse in “White Feather” (1955). He’s a badass renegade and gets to be killed, but they give him motivation and dignity.

imdb.com

204 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:49:19pm

re: #197 leftynyc

Funny - when I think of Rickman I tend to remember him as Metatron in Dogma (a movie I adored). But he really was a nasty SOB in DH.

Youtube Video

205 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:49:50pm

re: #201 Feline Fearless Leader

Another character actor who did a good villain turn was James Hong as Lo Pan in “Big Trouble in Little China”.

This. Greatest villain ever.

“Shut up Mr. Burton! You were not put upon this world to ‘Get it’!”

206 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:53:15pm

re: #205 Jack Burton

This. Greatest villain ever.

“Shut up Mr. Burton! You were not put upon this world to ‘Get it’!”

I was always taken by his initial confusion and then giddiness by suddenly being presented by *two* women who could break one or the other curse he was under. It showed some complication beyond the normal icy or violent demeanor that is the norm for many villains.

207 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:53:40pm

re: #204 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

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Don’t forget that he was also in True Romance:

Youtube Video

208 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:53:44pm

re: #183 wrenchwench

Read more: foxnews.com

it was so weird seeing her as Grandmother Gallagher on Shameless. Nurse Ratched though is definitely one of the best villains ever though. Louise earned that Oscar.

209 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:54:21pm

bbl

210 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:56:38pm

re: #169 erik_t

Bears repeating.

Kenobi is a crazy old hermit in the desert. Of course he wears crazy old desert hermit clothes. Skywalker naturally wears, like, shirts and pants when he has stuff to do.

Fast forward backward to a time slightly longer ago and WE’RE ALL IN THE CAPITAL CITY OF THE WHOLE DAMNED GALAXY, AS A MAJOR PART OF THE SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT, AND WE’RE ALL DRESSED LIKE CRAZY OLD DESERT HERMITS.

SMFH.

Priest vestments in the liturgical churches mirror roman fancy dress from 2000 years ago. For some reason, I find the Jedi outfits unsurprising.

211 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:59:03pm

re: #210 William Barnett-Lewis

Priest vestments in the liturgical churches mirror roman fancy dress from 2000 years ago. For some reason, I find the Jedi outfits unsurprising.

Jedi robes make as much sense as ninja uniforms. Ninjas didn’t wear uniforms. The whole idea of the uniform is westerners not understanding kabuki theater.

212 leftynyc  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:00:31pm

re: #204 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

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I know I should put this in teeny tiny letters but I’ve seen none of the Harry Potter OR the Star Wars movies. I know, I’m ashamed.

213 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:00:34pm

Being a gamer, the idea of greatest villain brings to mind some names that probably won’t be familiar. Like Kane or SHODAN. Though I’m sure enough folks have heard the name Andrew Ryan by now.

214 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:01:30pm

re: #197 leftynyc

Funny - when I think of Rickman I tend to remember him as Metatron in Dogma (a movie I adored). But he really was a nasty SOB in DH.

Jason Lee gave a decent job in Dogma as Azrael, whose sarcasm and having read at least some of the ‘Evil Overlord’s Rules’ make him entertaining. And Azrael gets to say what many of us have often thought on coming inside on a very hot day: “No Rapture, no exquisite sin, greater than central air.”

215 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:02:34pm

re: #177 Jack Burton

Ah, Prometheus. Can someone explain what the opening scene is about, where the alien guy drinks from the bowl and then disintegrates into the river? Why is he drinking from the bowl and why did he die? And who or what was in the spaceship hovering nearby? I never got the connection between the opening scene and the rest of the movie, other than there was a similar alien-type guy at the end who had been hibernating in some sort of ship.

216 aagcobb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:04:29pm

Al Pacino as Michael Corleone. Pure icy evil.

217 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:05:45pm

re: #216 aagcobb

Al Pacino as Michael Corleone. Pure icy evil.

Probably the best character evolution in a set of films you’ll see. I don’t know if I consider Michael a villain though. Certainly not a hero but I don’t see him as a true villain either.

218 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:06:30pm

re: #215 Bulworth

I guarantee you when Lindelof got involved (because Ridley Scott seems to be old, tired, and in ‘I dont give a damn’ mode) he went all Lost on it and none of the unanswered questions actually have answers so the series is now in ‘make up shit as you go’ mode. The sequel or series ending if there’s more than one sequel will be as disappointing and ridiculous as the ending of Lost, the new BSG, or the Sopranos.

And to answer your question, I don’t think anyone with a serious understanding of microbiology or evolution was on the payroll of the production for Prometheus.

219 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:07:43pm

re: #215 Bulworth

Ah, Prometheus. Can someone explain what the opening scene is about, where the alien guy drinks from the bowl and then disintegrates into the river? Why is he drinking from the bowl and why did he die? And who or what was in the spaceship hovering nearby? I never got the connection between the opening scene and the rest of the movie, other than there was a similar alien-type guy at the end who had been hibernating in some sort of ship.

The Engineer in the opening of “Prometheus” was a sacrifice, if you will; the substance he drank dissolved him allowing his DNA to enter into the water, and thus creating life. The spaceship was full of other Engineers.

The question, which will presumably be answered in the sequel, is why, after the Engineers created us, and visited us on several occasions, did they decide to wipe us out 2,000 years ago? What pushed them to the decision to commit genocide against humanity?

220 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:07:51pm

re: #212 leftynyc

I know I should put this in teeny tiny letters but I’ve seen none of the Harry Potter OR the Star Wars movies. I know, I’m ashamed.

Unless you were raised by wolves, I’m not sure how that’s possible. I’m not saying that you should necessarily be a fan, but how did you manage complete avoidance?

222 aagcobb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:08:43pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Probably the best character evolution in a set of films you’ll see. I don’t know if I consider Michael a villain though. Certainly not a hero but I don’t see him as a true villain either.

Walter White’s evolution from meek high school science teacher to psychopathic drug lord has been pretty awesome as well.

223 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:08:47pm

re: #215 Bulworth

Ah, Prometheus. Can someone explain what the opening scene is about,

I doubt it.

224 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:09:16pm

re: #212 leftynyc

I know I should put this in teeny tiny letters but I’ve seen none of the Harry Potter OR the Star Wars movies. I know, I’m ashamed.

I only saw some of Episode I and that was because the Shop Teacher when he wasn’t in class would have movies on. I know, I’ll get mocked but it’s just never been my cup of tea. Same thing with Harry Potter. Nothing against it but it’s not for me.

225 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:09:47pm

re: #222 aagcobb

Walter White’s evolution from meek high school science teacher to psychopathic drug lord has been pretty awesome as well.

I need to watch more Breaking Bad. But I love character evolution.

226 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:10:01pm

re: #215 Bulworth

Ah, Prometheus. Can someone explain what the opening scene is about, where the alien guy drinks from the bowl and then disintegrates into the river? Why is he drinking from the bowl and why did he die? And who or what was in the spaceship hovering nearby? I never got the connection between the opening scene and the rest of the movie, other than there was a similar alien-type guy at the end who had been hibernating in some sort of ship.

That’s them seeding life on Earth.

227 aagcobb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:10:28pm

re: #221 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Image: 255515_503281396386397_1917622893_n.jpg

I just had to endure Smurfs 2 with the kids, so I love this!

228 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:10:52pm

re: #223 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I doubt it.

It’s Ancient Astronauts theory, in a nutshell. Creators of life.

Arthur C. Clarke hints at a similar theme in the book “2010”.

“They were farmers in a field of stars. They planted, they watched their crops grow, they tended; and sometimes, mercilessly, they had to weed.”

229 steve_davis  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:11:44pm

lol!! those tongues! this is what happens when you don’t bother with sweat glands.

230 blueraven  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:12:04pm

Javier Bardem in No Country for Old Men was chilling

Daniel Day Lewis in There Will Be Blood!

231 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:12:15pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

I need to watch more Breaking Bad. But I love character evolution.

Walter over 5 seasons

Image: walter-white-breaking-bad-gun-in-face.jpg

232 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:13:20pm

I hear after Breaking Bad wraps up, the creators are talking about doing a show centered around Saul.

233 leftynyc  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:14:56pm

re: #220 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Unless you were raised by wolves, I’m not sure how that’s possible. I’m not saying that you should necessarily be a fan, but how did you manage complete avoidance?

Not really sure. I was never into science fiction - this has hurt me in being a huge fan of The Big Bang Theory because they reference science fiction (and superheroes) so much. My dad (may he rest in peace) was a big Star Trek fan so I’ve seen all the original episodes but that’s really it. I don’t have children which may explain the Harry Potter movies remaining unseen.

It’s my guilty pleasure that has seen the best villains of all time - day time soap operas (still catch General Hospital on occasion). Helena Cassadine is in a class all her own and was first played by the magnificent Elizabeth Taylor.

234 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:15:09pm

re: #230 blueraven

Javier Bardem in No Country for Old Men was chilling

Daniel Day Lewis in There Will Be Blood!

Just recently watched the latter all the way through in one sitting. Have only seen bits before. A fascinating character study of what is essentially a vile man.

235 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:15:53pm

re: #227 aagcobb

I just had to endure Smurfs 2 with the kids, so I love this!

I can only think of this when I hear the word smurf:

Image: tumblr_me9e88ISqB1qzzhvso1_1280.jpg

236 aagcobb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:17:09pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

I need to watch more Breaking Bad. But I love character evolution.

I don’t have cable, so I’m trying to avoid spoilers until I can buy the final season on Amazon and binge watch it over a weekend.

237 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:18:01pm

re: #61 Dr Lizardo

They have about four or five restaurants in Prague.

Image: 1610605988_38adc7f33a_z.jpg

I think they should do a movie about The Golem. There were some real old-timey silent movies, but nothing modern.

There was a comic book series in the ‘80’s which my kids loved.

I think it would make a great movie!

238 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:18:16pm

re: #236 aagcobb

I don’t have cable, so I’m trying to avoid spoilers until I can buy the final season on Amazon and binge watch it over a weekend.

Netflix has up to the first half of season 5

239 kerFuFFler  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:18:19pm

For ketchup’s sake, if the Obamas had gotten a white dog, the RWNJs would be interpreting it as a sign of Obama’s deep felt need to make ‘whitey’ his bitch. They are intent on reading villainy into his every move.

240 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:18:52pm

As a huge fan of “Alien,” I was really looking forward to Prometheus. But very, very disappointed in the film. It was a muddled, incomprehensible mess.

241 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:19:13pm

Iowa GOP County Chair Resigns, Says Party ‘Headed In Wrong Direction’

In 2012, the Polk GOP lost Polk County by over 32,000 votes. Until 2002, Republicans were elected to the State House from Des Moines. In 2012, Republicans lost 2 State House seats in suburban, Republican-leaning districts and came two dozen votes from losing a third. Facts are stubborn things. I think we are now headed in the wrong direction on several fronts and regretfully must step aside.

It’s my opinion that rather than fix the problems that led to such a massive 2012 defeat, the GOP does not seem to seriously want to fix the issues. I think helping a dysfunctional Party that does not want to address its problems is enabling. I do not believe in enabling. I debated this for weeks and am certain this is the only course.

242 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:19:33pm

re: #210 William Barnett-Lewis

Priest vestments in the liturgical churches mirror roman fancy dress from 2000 years ago. For some reason, I find the Jedi outfits unsurprising.

That’s because the Jedi robes are different shades of brown. ZZZZZZZ.

Personally, I’d rather see the Jedi have more cultural flair, with the different Jedi incorporating their individual planet/species into their outfit. WTF is the point of being an intergalactic badass if you look like Friar Tuck after he invested in a few extra shades of brown?

243 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:20:02pm

re: #240 Charles Johnson

As a huge fan of “Alien,” I was really looking forward to Prometheus. But very, very disappointed in the film. It was a muddled, incomprehensible mess.

The franchise started going to hell in part 3 and shows no signs of recovery.

244 aagcobb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:20:15pm

re: #238 Kragar

Netflix has up to the first half of season 5

I bought it on Amazon and watched it through in a few days right after the half season ended.

245 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:20:35pm

re: #239 kerFuFFler

For ketchup’s sake, if the Obamas had gotten a white dog, the RWNJs would be interpreting it as a sign of Obama’s deep felt need to make ‘whitey’ his bitch. They are intent on reading villainy into his every move.

it’s just weird. What kind of person thinks about the color of a dog and gets sinister connections from it? Oh that’s a right, a demented right winger who would have nothing to live for if Obama wasn’t in office because hatred is their oxygen.

246 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:21:22pm

re: #243 Kragar

The franchise started going to hell in part 3 and shows no signs of recovery.

What franchise? They only made Alien and Aliens. There were no other movies… (fingers in ears, “lalalalal” like a GOP’r in a science lab).

247 blueraven  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:21:29pm

re: #234 Feline Fearless Leader

Just recently watched the latter all the way through in one sitting. Have only seen bits before. A fascinating character study of what is essentially a vile man.

He was pretty vile as “The Butcher” in Gangs of New York too.
But I agree, the character in TWBB was fascinating.

248 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:21:34pm

Yeah, if you’re required to explain Alien and Aliens to people before the movie to get Prometheus…
Well, they sucked at laying the ground work.

249 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:21:44pm

re: #241 Kragar

Iowa GOP County Chair Resigns, Says Party ‘Headed In Wrong Direction’

Good.

250 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:21:58pm

re: #244 aagcobb

I bought it on Amazon and watched it through in a few days right after the half season ended.

I’ve watched them all up to season 5 in about the last week. I have to say, I think Mike is my favorite character.

251 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:22:25pm

re: #228 Dr Lizardo

It’s Ancient Astronauts theory, in a nutshell. Creators of life.

Arthur C. Clarke hints at a similar theme in the book “2010”.

“They were farmers in a field of stars. They planted, they watched their crops grow, they tended; and sometimes, mercilessly, they had to weed.”

It’s not particularly plausible that seeding the Earth with DNA 4 billion years ago would result in the evolution from single celled organisms to animals that have “exactly the same DNA” (They actually made this claim in the flick) as they did.

So I’m not sure if makes more sense that they did this sacrifice 4 billion years ago, or if they did it a few million years ago and it only effected primate evolution. I put that part of my brain on vacation to just enjoy the movie, but it was hard.

And how did the Engineers themselves seem to have been unchanged over millions or billions of years? Stagnant culture?

I also don’t believe that they intended to commit genocide on us. I think that each time they visited Earth they manipulated our genome and/or culture. Bringing the “Black-Goo” to Earth might have been the way this was done, and in this case of 2000 years ago, it was decided to evolve Humans yet again to something else… as to what, perhaps it is what Charlie Holloway was turning into before Vickers torched him.

252 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:22:49pm

re: #246 William Barnett-Lewis

What franchise? They only made Alien and Aliens. There were no other movies… (fingers in ears, “lalalalal” like a GOP’r in a science lab).

So I take it mentioning any Highlander movie with a number in the title is right out?

253 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:23:04pm

Look who’s all butthurt because he’s being made fun of:

254 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:23:08pm

re: #252 Kragar

So I take it mentioning any Highlander movie with a number in the title is right out?

Yes.

255 aagcobb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:23:16pm

re: #243 Kragar

The franchise started going to hell in part 3 and shows no signs of recovery.

Alien was one of the scariest movies I ever saw. Just one bit of gore with the chest bursting scene, but the tension was heart-pounding.

256 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:23:26pm

re: #252 Kragar

So I take it mentioning any Highlander movie with a number in the title is right out?

:Big Thumbs Up:

257 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:23:58pm

re: #237 Vicious Babushka

I think they should do a movie about The Golem. There were some real old-timey silent movies, but nothing modern.

There was a comic book series in the ‘80’s which my kids loved.

I think it would make a great movie!

That would be cool. The most recent iteration of the Golem in the English language filmdom was the movie “It!” from 1966 starring Roddy McDowall.

258 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:24:10pm

Scariest movie villain ever:

Hannibal Lechter.

259 ObserverArt  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:24:28pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

My favorite villain actor of all time: Christopher Walken.

I thought he was great in one of his lesser known roles. He played the family leader Brad Whitewood Sr. in At Close Range.

Wen I first saw that movie I thought it was an outrageous plot. Then a year or so later I was reading some crime books and came across the real story the movie was based on, Bruce Alfred Johnston Sr. and his family of thieves. The real story was as outrageous as the movie plot.

In the movie there is a scene of Walken in a pickup truck where he realizes the state police know all about his criminal enterprise. He comes completely unglued. It is very dramatic, angry, mad and resigned all at the same time.

If you do not know the movie or the story about the Pennsylvania family of thieves it is a fascinating story. It is almost unbelievable, but all true.

Here is a Wiki on Bruce Alfred Johnston Sr

Johnston Gang

260 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:24:42pm

re: #253 Vicious Babushka

Look who’s all butthurt because he’s being made fun of:

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Neither is calling everyone who doesn’t share your purist worldview a fascist, Dave. But enough about you and GG.

261 blueraven  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:24:50pm

re: #253 Vicious Babushka

Look who’s all butthurt because he’s being made fun of:

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But screaming Obamabot is? Irony..he haz it.

262 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:25:16pm

As I kid, I had two primary ‘villains’ appear in my nightmares.
The Xenomorph and the Trex from JP.
Hell, still do.

263 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:25:33pm

re: #237 Vicious Babushka

I think they should do a movie about The Golem. There were some real old-timey silent movies, but nothing modern.

Didn’t they do that in Lord of the Rings… oh wait..


//

264 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:25:48pm

re: #237 Vicious Babushka

I think they should do a movie about The Golem. There were some real old-timey silent movies, but nothing modern.

There was a comic book series in the ‘80’s which my kids loved.

I think it would make a great movie!

en.wikipedia.org

1966 film uses one, but really isn’t tracing the historical one.

265 BeenHereAwhile  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:25:55pm

re: #158 Eventual Carrion

re: #69 Feline Fearless Leader

“Alan Rickman in “Die Hard” fit the bill as well.”

And also played a very caring doctor in “Something the Lord Made”. Good actor.

‘Something the Lord Made’ with Alan Rickman and Mos Deaf, is one of those movies I will stop channel surfing to watch.

Great script, splendid acting by both.

266 aagcobb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:26:00pm

re: #250 Kragar

I’ve watched them all up to season 5 in about the last week. I have to say, I think Mike is my favorite character.

Yes, it was fascinating watching him get sucked into business with Walter against all his best instincts, knowing he should’ve been either running away as fast as he could or just plugging Walter before it was too late.

267 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:26:22pm

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

Scariest movie villain ever:

Hannibal Lechter.

Definitely. But better in Silence of the Lambs than the other films. Not that Hannibal was bad, but he seemed a character that worked better when he spent very little time onscreen.

269 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:27:54pm

re: #266 aagcobb

Yes, it was fascinating watching him get sucked into business with Walter against all his best instincts, knowing he should’ve been either running away as fast as he could or just plugging Walter before it was too late.

I like how his relationship with Jesse developed, from treating him like a worthless junkie to almost being a grumpy uncle of sorts.

270 aagcobb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:28:01pm

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

Scariest movie villain ever:

Hannibal Lechter.

I was very glad to see Hannibal was renewed for another season. Mads Mikkelsen is terrific in the role.

271 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:28:03pm

re: #252 Kragar

So I take it mentioning any Highlander movie with a number in the title is right out?

Yes. Very much so.

272 Balfour Rage  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:28:21pm
273 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:28:23pm

re: #251 Jack Burton

It’s not particularly plausible that seeding the Earth with DNA 4 billion years ago would result in the evolution from single celled organisms to animals that have “exactly the same DNA” (They actually made this claim in the flick) as they did.

So I’m not sure if makes more sense that they did this sacrifice 4 billion years ago, or if they did it a few million years ago and it only effected primate evolution. I put that part of my brain on vacation to just enjoy the movie, but it was hard.

And how did the Engineers themselves seem to have been unchanged over millions or billions of years? Stagnant culture?

I also don’t believe that they intended to commit genocide on us. I think that each time they visited Earth they manipulated our genome and/or culture. Bringing the “Black-Goo” to Earth might have been the way this was done, and in this case of 2000 years ago, it was decided to evolve Humans yet again to something else… as to what, perhaps it is what Charlie Holloway was turning into before Vickers torched him.

The ‘science’ behind “Prometheus” is the same sort of ‘science’ behind “At The Mountains of Madness” “The Call of Chthulhu” “Chariots of the Gods”. You may have a point about the Engineers not wanting to wipe us out, but to accelerate human evolution; perhaps the unlucky Charlie Holloway was what they had in mind for us.

274 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:28:30pm

re: #252 Kragar

So I take it mentioning any Highlander movie with a number in the title is right out?

There were other movies?

//

275 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:29:42pm

One of my favorite evil performances: Robert Carlyle in Ravenous.

Youtube Video

276 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:29:43pm

re: #274 Targetpractice

There were other movies?

//

Nope.
Also, there is only 4 Star Wars movies.
And only Star Trek movies ending in an even number. Well, until 6….

277 Balfour Rage  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:29:56pm
278 aagcobb  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:30:06pm

re: #268 Pavlovian Hive Mind

RedState: Anti-Discrimination Laws Are Like China’s Cultural Revolution
Fucktards.

Having to bake same-sex wedding cakes is exactly like work camps and mass murder.//

279 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:30:48pm

First Contact was the last good one, imo.

280 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:32:47pm


Waits.

Crickets.

281 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:33:07pm

re: #276 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Nope.
Also, there is only 4 Star Wars movies.
And only Star Trek movies ending in an even number. Well, until 6….

Now this I have to argue with, because I did like ST 3. It’s only “bad” because it didn’t live up to the expectations set by ST 2.

282 b.d.  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:33:18pm

re: #253 Vicious Babushka

Look who’s all butthurt because he’s being made fun of:

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Substansive?!

Sirota is whinging that people aren’t being substansive?!

Really?!

283 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:33:43pm

re: #277 Balfour Rage

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If Louie Gohmert actually said it, I think I’d be with many people in not blaming President Obama at all if he gave him a good punch to the jaw. Not advocating violence but the hate directed at this man for simply having the gall to be the first African-American president is tiring and he takes too much shit.

284 ObserverArt  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:34:41pm

re: #253 Vicious Babushka

Look who’s all butthurt because he’s being made fun of:

[Embedded content]

So, it is crimes now. He’s still digging. Maybe he will pop up in China too.

285 EPR-radar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:34:50pm

re: #213 Targetpractice

Being a gamer, the idea of greatest villain brings to mind some names that probably won’t be familiar. Like Kane or SHODAN. Though I’m sure enough folks have heard the name Andrew Ryan by now.

Games are often played for a lot longer than the 2-3 hours a movie runs, so there are possibilities for making game villains epic on a scale that is really difficult to do in a movie.

286 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:36:03pm

Greatest villain.
Kane or SHODAN?
Damn, tough choice…

287 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:36:09pm

re: #285 EPR-radar

Games are often played for a lot longer than the 2-3 hours a movie runs, so there are possibilities for making game villains epic on a scale that is really difficult to do in a movie.

True. There would have been little chance for the sort of build-up SHODAN’s reveal in System Shock 2 required.

288 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:36:14pm

re: #279 Pavlovian Hive Mind

First Contact was the last good one, imo.

It was good as a sci-fi movie, good as a action movie, but like all the TNG movies it was B A D as a Star Trek The Next Generation story.

They throw the temporal prime directive out the window for no good reason dozens of times. There’s a shitton of lazy story writing and handwaved motivations. Picard goes from a deep cerebral intellectual to a shallow vengeful maniac action hero who’s too old to be a vengeful maniac action hero.

I could go on. It’s another movie that requires me turning off part of my brain to enjoy.

289 ObserverArt  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:36:53pm

re: #255 aagcobb

Alien was one of the scariest movies I ever saw. Just one bit of gore with the chest bursting scene, but the tension was heart-pounding.

Sort of like the Hitchcock style of movie. He never needed a ton of gore and made some of the best dramas ever.

290 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:36:55pm

Fischer: ‘I Think We May Be Headed Toward Bloodshed In America’

“There are a number of avenues,” Fischer stated, “starting right where we’re at right now that could lead to bloodshed, could lead to anarchy, could lead to chaos in America.”

After insisting that he does not want to see anything like that happen, Fischer warned that the fact that members of Congress are reluctant to hold town hall meetings during the August recess could lead to a revolution.

“If our elected officials will not listen to us, if they will not meet with us, if they will not respond to the urgent appeal of their own constituents, the people that elected them to office, then eventually you might get to the point [where] people will just get fed up and then you’ll start having some very, very unpredictable things that will happen”:

I don’t know. I think a bunch of fucktarded conservatives killing people because of their paranoid conspiracies is entirely predictable.

291 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:37:29pm

You’re all forgetting the baddest bad guy of bad guys!

292 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:38:47pm

re: #290 Kragar

Fischer: ‘I Think We May Be Headed Toward Bloodshed In America’

I don’t know. I think a bunch of fucktarded conservatives killing people because of their paranoid conspiracies is entirely predictable.

If we have bloodshed in America, it will be because of people like Fischer. Stop agitating for violence you fucking Father Couhglin wannabe fascist fuck.

293 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:39:06pm

Avatar test…

294 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:39:09pm

re: #286 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Greatest villain.
Kane or SHODAN?
Damn, tough choice…

In the name of Kane!

295 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:40:07pm

re: #290 Kragar

Fischer: ‘I Think We May Be Headed Toward Bloodshed In America’

I don’t know. I think a bunch of fucktarded conservatives killing people because of their paranoid conspiracies is entirely predictable.

Fischer is probably one of the sick twisted fucks who gets a chub looking at atrocity photos on the internet, imagining it’s all the people he hates getting slaughtered.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate!

/ sort of.

296 Balfour Rage  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:41:07pm
297 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:41:21pm

You know, I’ve had it with these people. They want blood and they want a second civil war. They want the country to be in ruins so they can be martyrs and they want to be able to blame Obama for everything bad that happens. Why? Because they hate the color of his skin. Because they hate the fact he’s a successful African-American and they can’t handle the fact that he’s a greater success in his life and will be remembered long after they’re dead and in the ground. Fischer, Beck, the whole bloody lot of them are a bunch of cowards whose sole purpose for existing in public life is their hatred of President Obama. They offer no solutions, only hatred.

298 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:42:33pm


Outrage!

299 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:43:10pm

re: #295 Dr Lizardo

Fischer is probably one of the sick twisted fucks who gets a chub looking at atrocity photos on the internet, imagining it’s all the people he hates getting slaughtered.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate!

/ sort of.

Fischer wants a Holocaust (for Muslims & gays) and he wants to claim to be the VICTIM of a Holocaust.

How sick is that?

300 Lidane  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:43:27pm

re: #290 Kragar

Fischer: ‘I Think We May Be Headed Toward Bloodshed In America’

These people are ghouls. Simple as that.

301 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:44:06pm

re: #230 blueraven

Javier Bardem in No Country for Old Men was chilling

Daniel Day Lewis in There Will Be Blood!

I’m kind of scared of Javier Bardem because of that movie.
He does cold blooded and disturbed really, really well.

302 EPR-radar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:44:22pm

re: #287 Targetpractice

True. There would have been little chance for the sort of build-up SHODAN’s reveal in System Shock 2 required.

Somewhat more obscure is Krelian in Xenogears, who is by far the nastiest piece of work in any game I’ve played.

Spoiler

His partial credits include a Soylent Green scheme with the bonus features of turning people into monsters, and then turning the monsters into food. Just before the player find this out, there is a story line meal…

303 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:44:30pm

Just think. Guy like the derpy Mr. Miranda might be walking around with top secret information.

304 A Mom Anon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:44:32pm

re: #290 Kragar

Does this buffoon even look at the news or read a paper? There’s BLOODSHED IN THE COUNTRY EVERY DAY. And not just the blackity black blackenstein the Monster kind either. JH Christ,Esq III, a guy just walked into a school in metro Atlanta with a freaking AK because he supposedly” wanted to talk to police” (oh WTF???) and scared the everloving shit out of everyone because he had to take his penis extension into a school with him.No bloodshed, but holy crap, there sure as shit could have been if people hadn’t reacted quickly.

Or what about the girl who was just recovered from her insane kidnapper who murdered most of her family before he took off with her because he was infatuated by her? Any bloodshed there Bryan?

The only bloodshed that’s going to ever touch this dumbass’s life is the paper cut he gets opening the fucking mail. Shut. Up. You. Freak. Seek Help.

305 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:44:34pm

re: #290 Kragar

Fischer: ‘I Think We May Be Headed Toward Bloodshed In America’

I don’t know. I think a bunch of fucktarded conservatives killing people because of their paranoid conspiracies is entirely predictable.

And his ‘side’ will be the ones to start it.

306 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:44:49pm

re: #299 Vicious Babushka

Fischer wants a Holocaust (for Muslims & gays) and he wants to claim to be the VICTIM of a Holocaust.

How sick is that?

He’s the only human being I know who sees the lessons of the Holocaust to persecute other people for being different.

307 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:45:08pm

re: #302 EPR-radar

Somewhat more obscure is Krelian in Xenogears, who is by far the nastiest piece of work in any game I’ve played.

[Embedded content]

ZOMG, you played Xenogears?
You are awesome.

308 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:45:17pm
309 AlexRogan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:45:26pm

re: #276 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Nope.
Also, there is only 4 Star Wars movies.
And only Star Trek movies ending in an even number. Well, until 6….

Hey, the only ST:TOS movie that really blew chunks was The Final Frontier; ST:TMP was, more or less, a decent transition of the series from TV to film, something that, AFAIK, had never been done before.

/”What does God need with a starship?”

310 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:45:43pm

re: #298 Gus

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Outrage!

Yeah, I had a Greenwaldian last night giving me that. “He can’t be a terrorist because he hasn’t killed anybody!” Technically, neither did OBL. He may have helped plan 9/11, may have approved of it and given his blessing, but he did not directly kill a single person that day. Terrorism is more than just violence.

311 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:45:48pm

re: #296 Balfour Rage

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Meanwhile, one of the biggest storms ever recorded is hitting South East Asia.

Tropical Storm Trami Threatens Taiwan, China as the Philippines Floods

312 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:46:05pm

re: #308 NJDhockeyfan

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My ship needs a runway, not…whatever the hell that is…
Nutters.

313 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:46:18pm

re: #299 Vicious Babushka

Fischer wants a Holocaust (for Muslims & gays) and he wants to claim to be the VICTIM of a Holocaust.

How sick is that?

It’s schizoid. Folks like Fischer are, quite bluntly, sadomasochists. They want to be in a position of authority, yet at the same time, they are deeply submissive to authority. They worship power; they crave the whip.

314 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:46:51pm
315 AlexRogan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:47:03pm

re: #281 Targetpractice

Now this I have to argue with, because I did like ST 3. It’s only “bad” because it didn’t live up to the expectations set by ST 2.

Christopher Lloyd did chew up the scenery as a worthy villain to Kirk.

316 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:47:05pm

re: #309 AlexRogan

Hey, the only ST:TOS movie that really blew chunks was The Final Frontier; ST:TMP was more or less, a decent transition of the series from TV to film, something that, AFAIK, had never been done before.

/”What does God need with a starship?”

It’s a tie between ST V and ST Nemesis or, to borrow a line from Jason Alexander, “The Death of a Franchise.”

317 EPR-radar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:47:12pm

re: #307 Pavlovian Hive Mind

ZOMG, you played Xenogears?
You are awesome.

Not only that, my user name is taken from Xenosaga.

318 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:47:44pm

re: #310 Targetpractice

Yeah, I had a Greenwaldian last night giving me that. “He can’t be a terrorist because he hasn’t killed anybody!” Technically, neither did OBL. He may have helped plan 9/11, may have approved of it and given his blessing, but he did not directly kill a single person that day. Terrorism is more than just violence.

319 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:48:29pm

re: #317 EPR-radar

Not only that, my user name is taken from Xenosaga.

Now I have to play it again…
/bad Varek!

320 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:48:43pm

re: #313 Dr Lizardo

It’s schizoid. Folks like Fischer are, quite bluntly, sadomasochists. They want to be in a position of authority, yet at the same time, they are deeply submissive to authority. They worship power; they crave the whip.

It’s the damn weirdest thing I’ve ever seen. He wants the government to have the authority to punish gays, unwed mothers, immigrants, Muslims, etc but he cries persecution when the feds decide “No, sorry your religious opposition to gay marriage shouldn’t disallow gays and lesbians to enjoy the same rights as you do under the law and love.” He’s a fucking punk. He makes Jerry Falwell look like a voice of reason and that’s hard as hell to do considering that mfer Falwell agreed that we deserved 9/11.

321 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:49:37pm

Citan+Sword= Even more badass.

322 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:49:56pm

Oooh, Superman is on!
Oh…it’s III. Boo.
Ah well. Better than IV.
Chris Reeves was hot.

323 EPR-radar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:50:14pm

re: #320 HappyWarrior

It’s the damn weirdest thing I’ve ever seen. He wants the government to have the authority to punish gays, unwed mothers, immigrants, Muslims, etc but he cries persecution when the feds decide “No, sorry your religious opposition to gay marriage shouldn’t disallow gays and lesbians to enjoy the same rights as you do under the law and love.” He’s a fucking punk. He makes Jerry Falwell look like a voice of reason and that’s hard as hell to do considering that mfer Falwell agreed that we deserved 9/11.

All inconsistency is removed once it is noted that these people are theocrats, and simply cannot conceive of a legitimate secular government.

324 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:51:24pm

re: #289 ObserverArt

Sort of like the Hitchcock style of movie. He never needed a ton of gore and made some of the best dramas ever.

“Rear Window”…
Gave me major paranoia for years.
This “OMG! Gubmint is reading my emails and listening to my phone calls!!11!!!” pales in comparison…

325 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:51:29pm

re: #309 AlexRogan

Hey, the only ST:TOS movie that really blew chunks was The Final Frontier; ST:TMP was more or less, a decent transition of the series from TV to film, something that, AFAIK, had never been done before.

/”What does God need with a starship?”

The TOS movies were great (of course I’m not counting ST:V because that was an abomination).

TMP was a big screen version of what happened in many TOS episodes. Dealing with an out of control machine/anomaly/natural phenomena. It’s only flaw was being inaccessible to non-trekkies.

TWOK-SFS-TVH was “The Trilogy” and covered all of the bases that good TOS stories did (super villain, klingons, anomaly), and had the bonus of being accessible to non-trekkies.

The Undiscovered Country, a few flaws aside, was an excellent send off for the crew and old Enterprise.

Then TNG movies came and ruined everything.

326 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:52:06pm
327 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:52:12pm

re: #323 EPR-radar

All inconsistency is removed once it is noted that these people are theocrats, and simply cannot conceive of a legitimate secular government.

Their worldview is and I hate to use the word is simply anti-American. If they want a government where the church rules supreme over the rights of the individual. Either move to the Middle East, make a time machine and go to the Dark Ages, or more practically join the rest of us in the post Dark Ages world.

328 SnowdenBaggerVance  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:52:25pm

I love the smell of a new big box of awesome IT gear.

329 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:53:12pm

re: #326 Charles Johnson

Because shut up.
/

330 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:53:27pm

re: #301 OhNoZombies!

I’m kind of scared of Javier Bardem because of that movie.
He does cold blooded and disturbed really, really well.

Topped off by a confrontation with another hitman who proceeds to verbally say how creepy and disturbed Javier’s character is.

331 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:53:31pm

re: #326 Charles Johnson

Heh, first thing I noticed about that pic.
Damn, the lack of tech awareness in general is sad.

332 EPR-radar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:54:03pm

re: #327 HappyWarrior

Their worldview is and I hate to use the word is simply anti-American. If they want a government where the church rules supreme over the rights of the individual. Either move to the Middle East, make a time machine and go to the Dark Ages, or more practically join the rest of us in the post Dark Ages world.

This x1000. Of course they are anti-American. The US is a creature of the same Enlightenment they hate with every fiber of their being.

333 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:54:46pm

The Greenwaldians have fallen prey to the very binary thinking that created the programs they despise so much, namely the idea that terrorism requires violence and requires a body count.

334 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:55:03pm

re: #330 Feline Fearless Leader

Topped off by a confrontation with another hitman who proceeds to verbally say how creepy and disturbed Javier’s character is.

Ha!
Good movie.

336 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:55:46pm

The Guardian’s photos are very low resolution so I can’t be certain, but it looks like an eSATA card. I have one that’s very similar.

337 SnowdenBaggerVance  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:55:47pm

re: #326 Charles Johnson

Every story I’ve seen about the destroyed laptops assume Rusbridger’s comments be taken at face value.

It appears that the Guardian’s credibility has reached China Syndrome.

338 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:57:31pm

re: #296 Balfour Rage

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339 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:57:32pm


Derp.

340 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:58:56pm

re: #339 Gus

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Derp.

NR’s a rag. Really concern trolling the president over calling a team name by its name even if that name is a shitty one? Find something actually to write about NR for a change and get the hell over your shallow hatred for this president.

341 A Mom Anon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:58:59pm

re: #308 NJDhockeyfan

Hubbard probably secretly laughed all the way to the bank at these people.

All I could think of looking at those pictures is what a colossal waste of money and resources. If there was a water source, it would make a nice resort orsmall multi-family community.

People are weird.

342 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:59:12pm

re: #322 OhNoZombies!

Oooh, Superman is on!
Oh…it’s III. Boo.
Ah well. Better than IV.
Chris Reeves was hot.

On second thought, it’s barely better than IV.

343 EPR-radar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 1:59:47pm

re: #333 Targetpractice

The Greenwaldians have fallen prey to the very binary thinking that created the programs they despise so much, namely the idea that terrorism requires violence and requires a body count.

Actually, I have issues with defining entirely non-violent activities as ‘terrorism’, if there is no actual link of the non-violent activities to violent terrorist activity.

344 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:00:18pm

re: #326 Charles Johnson

I don’t know what that big green card is, either, but it’s ANCIENT. I haven’t seen traces that sparse in a long, long while.

Not to be the ‘seen a lot of cards in my time’ guy, but I would bet several internet dollars that that card was not in service, and indeed has not been in service for years and years. It was in a junk pile somewhere.

345 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:00:30pm
346 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:01:05pm
347 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:01:33pm

Apparently, Prince just released a new CD.

The cover art is Dave Chappelle as Prince, holding a plate of pancakes.

Image: princechappelle.jpg

348 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:01:35pm

re: #326 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

They must have used little hammers, there are whole pieces left.
I’m an old lady and could have done a better job…

349 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:01:51pm

Well, it looks like a pci card. And a lot of esata cards are red…
Fishy….

350 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:02:18pm

re: #344 erik_t

I don’t know what that big green card is, either, but it’s ANCIENT. I haven’t seen traces that sparse in a long, long while.

Not to be the ‘seen a lot of cards in my time’ guy, but I would bet several internet dollars that that card was not in service, and indeed has not been in service for years and years. It was in a junk pile somewhere.

I agree - I don’t recognize what it is offhand, but it’s definitely not from a MacBook Pro.

The other two cards are MacBook Pro parts — they’re A1150 cards.

351 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:02:33pm

re: #325 Jack Burton

THe TOS movies were great (of course I’m not counting ST:V because that was an abonimation).

TMP was a big screen version of what happened in many TOS episodes. Dealing with an out of control machine/anomaly/natural phenomena. It’s only flaw was being inaccessible to non-trekkies.

TWOK-SFS-TVH was “The Trilogy” and covered all of the bases that good TOS stories did (super villain, klingons, anomaly), and had the bonus of being accessible to non-trekkies.

The Undiscovered Country, a few flaws aside, was an excellent send off for the crew and old Enterprise.

Then TNG movies came and ruined everything.

The TNG films can’t really be said to have failed for one uniform reason. Generations failed because the studio hadn’t wanted to spend a whole lot of money on the film and because the TOS cast didn’t really want to be involved in another movie. First Contact did well as an action film, but as noted did so by stripping all the things that were good about the TV show. Insurrection failed because of the glaring differences in Picard’s character from the show as well as the whole “technology is bad” BS. And Nemesis…the less said, the better.

352 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:02:40pm
353 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:04:15pm
354 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:04:20pm

re: #344 erik_t

I don’t know what that big green card is, either, but it’s ANCIENT. I haven’t seen traces that sparse in a long, long while.

Not to be the ‘seen a lot of cards in my time’ guy, but I would bet several internet dollars that that card was not in service, and indeed has not been in service for years and years. It was in a junk pile somewhere.

Yeah, looks very faded towards the back…

355 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:04:27pm

re: #343 EPR-radar

Actually, I have issues with defining entirely non-violent activities as ‘terrorism’, if there is no actual link of the non-violent activities to violent terrorist activity.

If you define terrorism as the act of using terror to force change, then terrorism can be non-violent as well as violent. If all you do is threaten violence, without engaging in it, are you not inspiring terror to get somebody to do what you want them to do?

356 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:04:36pm

re: #290 Kragar

Fischer: ‘I Think We May Be Headed Toward Bloodshed In America’

I don’t know. I think a bunch of fucktarded conservatives killing people because of their paranoid conspiracies is entirely predictable.

Fischer’s a shithead right enough, but we’d agreed not to use ‘fucktard’ or any other hostile derivations of ‘retard’.

357 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:04:48pm

re: #350 Charles Johnson

I agree - I don’t recognize what it is offhand, but it’s definitely not from a MacBook Pro.

Absolutely not. Frankly, I’m not even sure it’s regular consumer hardware. No edge connectors, male OR female, and big as heck.

Liars. Incompetent liars.

358 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:07:51pm

The NSA is siphoning 21 petabytes a data a day from an ocean line!1111ty

359 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:08:46pm

re: #358 Pavlovian Hive Mind

The NSA is siphoning 21 petabytes a data a day from an ocean line!1111ty

Bet that’s easy. //

360 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:09:29pm
361 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:11:12pm

DNC Will Vote On Resolution For Bob Filner’s Resignation

362 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:12:26pm

re: #361 Kragar

DNC Will Vote On Resolution For Bob Filner’s Resignation

Good. He should resign.

363 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:13:20pm

re: #361 Kragar

DNC Will Vote On Resolution For Bob Filner’s Resignation

Guess the “negotiations” fell through.

364 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:13:39pm

I just became very happy!

Youtube Video

365 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:15:15pm

I know someone who worked in some degree with the Filner mayoral campaign but he eventually abandoned ship and quit before the election. A few weeks ago I asked why he quit and “Did you see th…”

“Oh I totally saw this coming” was his reply.

366 AlexRogan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:15:58pm

re: #325 Jack Burton

THe TOS movies were great (of course I’m not counting ST:V because that was an abonimation).

TMP was a big screen version of what happened in many TOS episodes. Dealing with an out of control machine/anomaly/natural phenomena. It’s only flaw was being inaccessible to non-trekkies.

TWOK-SFS-TVH was “The Trilogy” and covered all of the bases that good TOS stories did (super villain, klingons, anomaly), and had the bonus of being accessible to non-trekkies.

The Undiscovered Country, a few flaws aside, was an excellent send off for the crew and old Enterprise.

Then TNG movies came and ruined everything.

If ST:TMP felt like a extended ST:TOS TV episode, that’s because it was; the script that became TMP started life as a pilot episode for a new ST series in the mid-70s called Star Trek: Phase II. That was going to be the flagship program for what would have been, at that time, a fourth broadcast TV network that Paramount was looking at starting up; plans for the Paramount Network fell through at the time (it would be almost 20 years before Paramount’s plan came to fruition with UPN, anchored with ST: Voyager), but Michael Eisner (then head of Paramount) liked the story enough to make it a movie and the rest is history.

367 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:16:04pm

re: #296 Balfour Rage

I see. So, nothing to fear from bad weather. Libtards are being alarmists. Oh, but the country is about to descend into bloodshed soon because persecution. /

368 A Mom Anon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:16:35pm

re: #360 NJDhockeyfan

OFFS. And he gets to keep his guns I betcha. He’s SORRY? Where was that clarity before he got caught? I’m assuming he had this epiphany while still off his meds. Another responsible gun owner strikes again, nope, nothing to see here, sensationalize it for the day and then move on people. No worries about the lack of background checks or gun store inventory oversight, nope, Don’t Tread On Me, FREEDOM!!! I can’t watch this crap on the TV here, it’s been on nonstop since the “news” channels got hold of the story, it’s the same info over and over until they find a new tidbit. Ick.

369 blueraven  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:18:06pm

re: #360 NJDhockeyfan

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But we cant have background checks to prevent the mentally disturbed from purchasing a gun?

Thanks Congress!

370 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:18:29pm

re: #367 Bulworth

I see. So, nothing to fear from bad weather. Libtards are being alarmists. Oh, but the country is about to descend into bloodshed soon because persecution. /

It takes a stupid mind to believe that DOMA being overturned will lead to bloodshed but that we have nothing to worry about from AGW. Fischer is either one stupid mfer or on some really bad drugs that destroy the mind’s ability to reason and process information.

371 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:19:00pm

re: #369 blueraven

But we cant have background checks to prevent the mentally disturbed from purchasing a gun?

Thanks Congress!

Fucking NRA.

372 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:19:11pm

re: #367 Bulworth

I see. So, nothing to fear from bad weather. Libtards are being alarmists. Oh, but the country is about to descend into bloodshed soon because persecution. /

And wildfires?

374 A Mom Anon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:21:46pm

re: #373 Pavlovian Hive Mind

What’s interesting is that not a single child was hurt and it didn’t take armed teachers and janitors to get them to safety. Just calm and rational thoughts and most likely a similar plan to what they’d do in a fire or similar disaster.

Imagine that.

375 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:22:17pm

re: #336 Charles Johnson

The Guardian’s photos are very low resolution so I can’t be certain, but it looks like an eSATA card. I have one that’s very similar.

376 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:22:29pm

re: #366 AlexRogan

If ST:TMP felt like a extended ST:TOS TV episode, that’s because it was; the script that became TMP started life as a pilot episode for a new ST series in the mid-70s called Star Trek: Phase II. That was going to be the flagship program for what would have been, at that time, a fourth broadcast TV network that Paramount was looking at starting up; plans for the Paramount Network fell through at the time (it would be almost 20 years before Paramount’s plan came to fruition with UPN, anchored with ST: Voyager), but Michael Eisner (then head of Paramount) liked the story enough to make it a movie and the rest is history.

ST:TMP always struck me heavily as a reworking of the TOS episode “The Changling”.

377 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:24:22pm

Busted!

378 A Mom Anon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:24:32pm

re: #375 wrenchwench

Would anyone of the tech genius variety happen to have some pictures of what an actual computer like the one in question looks like unassembled? I think such a thing might clear up some details…..

379 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:24:38pm

The NRA is a much greater threat than the NSA.
But I guess crazy people purchasing guns, busting into elementary schools isn’t violating anyone’s civil liberties.

380 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:25:47pm

re: #369 blueraven

But we cant have background checks to prevent the mentally disturbed from purchasing a gun?

Thanks Congress!

The law already provides for those, its often that the states don’t accurately list the mentally ill.

Florida recently had a minor dust-up over this issue. The governor’s commission on the mentally ill recommended that the law be changed so that a person diagnosed as a threat to himself/herself or others who voluntarily agreed to accept treatment would lose his/her rights to own a gun until certified as no longer a danger by a judge.

The legal change, written with the active aid of the NRA, was a smart, sensible change. But that did not prevent it from being attacked by dudebro groups such a the GOA whose main stated quarrels seemed to rest on conspiracy theories, and whose real problem with the law seemed to be an intense hatred for governmental authority.

381 EPR-radar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:26:22pm

re: #355 Targetpractice

If you define terrorism as the act of using terror to force change, then terrorism can be non-violent as well as violent. If all you do is threaten violence, without engaging in it, are you not inspiring terror to get somebody to do what you want them to do?

I’d view threats of violence as being in the same category as violence, as least with respect to defining terrorism.

Even so, leaking US intelligence secrets to the world/press/foreign governments etc. is mishandling classified information and/or espionage, and should not be regarded as terrorism, unless a direct link to operational terrorists can be shown

382 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:26:51pm

re: #378 A Mom Anon

Would anyone of the tech genius variety happen to have some pictures of what an actual computer like the one in question looks like unassembled? I think such a thing might clear up some details…..

Here’s a link to a high-res photo: MBP, disassembled

383 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:27:05pm
384 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:27:46pm

Who the hell thought they could even pull that off???

385 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:28:45pm

Man that story in Oklahoma is just heartbreaking. Poor kid. That kind of shit makes me totally understand why some people are misanthropes. But then again, you read about the best of people and you just don’t know how to feel.

386 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:29:38pm

re: #374 A Mom Anon

How’s your dog doing? I’ve been wondering and worrying…

387 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:31:11pm

re: #382 makeitstop

Here’s a link to a high-res photo: MBP, disassembled

I see no red parts.

388 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:32:13pm

re: #387 wrenchwench

I see no red parts.

Because it’s way too old to be part of a MBP. ;)

389 blueraven  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:32:44pm

re: #380 Dark_Falcon

The law already provides for those, its often that the states don’t accurately list the mentally ill.

Florida recently had a minor dust-up over this issue. The governor’s commission on the mentally ill recommended that the law be changed so that a person diagnosed as a threat to himself/herself or others who voluntarily agreed to accept treatment would lose his/her rights to own a gun until certified as no longer a danger by a judge.

The legal change, written with the active aid of the NRA, was a smart, sensible change. But that did not prevent it from being attacked by dudebro groups such a the GOA whose main stated quarrels seemed to rest on conspiracy theories, and whose real problem with the law seemed to be an intense hatred for governmental authority.

When you can buy a gun at a gun show with no check at all…Anyone, anyone can buy a gun. That needs to stop.

390 A Mom Anon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:34:58pm

re: #386 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh,lol, you big worrywart. She’s fine. I ended up changing her to Rachael Ray’s Just 6 dog food and got her some treats that contain vitamins and stuff for her skin and coat. She’s eating again and her skin and coat are looking a lot better. She’s still got a nasty rash on her belly, but it’s going away with hydrocortisone cream and some doses of Benedryl at night.

Crazy damned dog. I adore her, but god is she a pain in the ass sometimes. She’s got the prettiest attributes of both her German Shepard and Doberman parents, and all the neurosis and sensitivities of both breeds. But you couldn’t ask for a sweeter and more loyal friend.

391 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:34:59pm

re: #382 makeitstop

Here’s a link to a high-res photo: MBP, disassembled

It’s looking at me…
SPIES inside!!!!!!!

392 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:35:58pm

re: #390 A Mom Anon


Oh, that’s great to hear!

393 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:36:12pm
394 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:36:26pm

re: #296 Balfour Rage

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Meanwhile, 70% of central Philippines is under water. But who cares about those brown people!

395 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:36:35pm

@GuardianComputer

Available.

396 DisturbedEma  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:36:52pm

re: #373 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Da Fuq??

397 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:36:53pm

re: #394 efuseakay

Meanwhile, 70% of central Philippines is under water. But who cares about those brown people!

I saw that.
Jesus…

398 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:37:33pm

re: #387 wrenchwench

I see no red parts.

No bog-standard PCI slots, either.

LOL. They think everyone else is as stupid as they are.

This is a problem when your story’s biggest constituency is internet-nerds. This could backfire pretty badly.

399 piratedan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:37:38pm

speaking of villians, am surprised no one mentioned Bob Guinton of both Matewan and Shawshank fame, not all villians have to be physically menacing, just willing to abuse the power that they have.

400 DisturbedEma  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:37:56pm

re: #397 Pavlovian Hive Mind


Wow…

401 DisturbedEma  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:38:52pm

re: #399 piratedan
I haven’t read this whole thread- Kevin Bacon in Sleepers is pretty damned sadistic…

403 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:39:26pm

re: #395 Gus

@GuardianComputer

Available.

could be fun as a twitter hashtag…

404 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:39:26pm

re: #394 efuseakay

Meanwhile, 70% of central Philippines is under water. But who cares about those brown people!

Remember, Fischer once said snow in South Africa in July was proof climate change is a lie.

Because hemispheres are a well know liberal talking point.

405 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:39:52pm

re: #401 DisturbedEma

I haven’t read this whole thread- Kevin Bacon in Sleepers is pretty damned sadistic…

Did you ever read the book it’s based on? That was actually one of the first “adult” books I read.

406 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:40:14pm

re: #394 efuseakay

Meanwhile, 70% of central Philippines is under water. But who cares about those brown people!

But we need to know what the latest is on Kim Kardashian’s baby!
//

407 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:40:43pm

re: #406 NJDhockeyfan

But we need to know what the latest is on Kim Kardashian’s baby!
//

Was George Alexander Louis there//

408 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:41:00pm

Everything wrong with “Prometheus” in 4 minutes or less

Youtube Video

409 DisturbedEma  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:41:03pm

re: #405 HappyWarrior

I would like to, is it called Sleepers?

410 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:42:00pm

re: #402 Pavlovian Hive Mind

7 dead as flooding in Philippines brings Manila to a standstill

Hey Bryan… *waves*

411 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:44:44pm

re: #406 NJDhockeyfan

But we need to know what the latest is on Kim Kardashian’s baby!
//

North West (that’s some name isn’t it?) was with her parents in Oklahoma Saturday, at the funeral for Kanye West’s grand father.

/Facts as facts.

412 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:44:44pm

re: #409 DisturbedEma

I would like to, is it called Sleepers?

Yep. Good read.

413 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:46:13pm
414 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:46:18pm

re: #399 piratedan

speaking of villians, am surprised no one mentioned Bob Guinton of both Matewan and Shawshank fame, not all villians have to be physically menacing, just willing to abuse the power that they have.

Yep. The scariest characters are the ones that could actually exist.
Like Pennywise from It’.

415 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:47:27pm

re: #414 OhNoZombies!

Yep. The scariest characters are the ones that could actually exist.
Like Pennywise from It’.

Pennywise was actually some kind of demon bug thing I thought tho. And he still scares the crap out of me and I’ve been lost in foreign cities since I first saw Tim Curry play him.

416 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:49:07pm

As for as villains based on or portrayals of real people- Ralph Finneses’ Amon Goeth in Schindler’s List. So ruthless and so heartless. I’ve since seen interviews with his daughter who is totally unlike her father and you can tell the poor woman is haunted by her father’s legacy but she’s done her best to be a good mother and grandmother so I hope she has found some peace since carrying own that legacy.

417 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:51:08pm

re: #397 Pavlovian Hive Mind

I saw that.
Jesus…

Cholera…

418 DisturbedEma  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:51:24pm

re: #412 HappyWarrior
I’ll be at the library Friday- I’ll look for it, thanks. I always like the books better…:)

419 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:51:32pm

re: #415 HappyWarrior

Pennywise was actually some kind of demon bug thing I thought tho. And he still scares the crap out of me and I’ve been lost in foreign cities since I first saw Tim Curry play him.

He was, but a clown doesn’t have to be a supernatural monster to scare me.
I was home alone when I first saw It.
I had the sudden urge to go visit my parents….

420 AlexRogan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:52:09pm

re: #351 Targetpractice

The TNG films can’t really be said to have failed for one uniform reason. Generations failed because the studio hadn’t wanted to spend a whole lot of money on the film and because the TOS cast didn’t really want to be involved in another movie. First Contact did well as an action film, but as noted did so by stripping all the things that were good about the TV show. Insurrection failed because of the glaring differences in Picard’s character from the show as well as the whole “technology is bad” BS. And Nemesis…the less said, the better.

Generations was, to me, a decent enough segue from the TOS movies to the TNG films. Malcolm McDowell as the villain and James T. Kirk going out in a hero’s death? What’s not to like (other than the Enterprise-D getting destroyed; that sucked)?

First Contact and Insurrection were perfectly serviceable (and enjoyable, IMO) action movies, even without the Star Trek imprimatur; however, I did like the parallels of Picard and Moby-Dick’s Ahab in First Contact (and Alfre Woodard’s counterpoint to Stewart). Nemesis, though, I could have done without.

The biggest problems with the TNG movies, as with Voyager and Enterprise, tended to start and end with Rick Berman and Brannon Braga.

421 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:53:14pm

Sore: #419 OhNoZombies!

He was, but a clown doesn’t have to be a supernatural monster to scare me.
I was home alone when I first saw It.
I had the sudden urge to go visit my parents….

Ah true enough. I hate clowns because of that movie. I don’t think I ever had a birthday party that involved them.

422 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:53:36pm

That’s an old PC motherboard.

423 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:54:30pm

re: #418 DisturbedEma

I’ll be at the library Friday- I’ll look for it, thanks. I always like the books better…:)

Cool. Author’s name is Carcaterra. I’m not sure if you’d find it under fiction or non-fiction. Carcaterra swears everything happened in the book and film were true but I am a little skeptical and I am not sure how the libraries classify material as such. On my personal shelf I have it under fiction tho.

424 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:56:23pm

re: #422 Gus

That’s an old PC motherboard.

It’s a Cray111!!!!!!!!!ty

425 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:58:52pm

re: #422 Gus

That’s an old PC motherboard.

I’ve heard suggestions like “printer control board”, which I actually like more. Why would anyone bother to rip the PCI (err, probably ISA in this case, DURRRGUARDIAN) slots off of the board?

426 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:59:29pm

GG’s losing it. Second time he’s tweeted out Maddow’s piece from last night about Miranduh.

Once is not enough, ya know.

428 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:01:17pm

re: #426 Justanotherhuman

GG’s losing it. Second time he’s tweeted out Maddow’s piece from last night about Miranduh.

Once is not enough, ya know.

Did he include ‘ICYMI’? If not, major faux pas!

429 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:01:46pm

re: #427 Kragar

Kristol: Sarah Palin ‘doesn’t have a future’ in U.S. politics

From his lips to God’s ears. Her political oblivion can’t happen soon enough for me.

430 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:01:46pm

re: #427 Kragar

Kristol: Sarah Palin ‘doesn’t have a future’ in U.S. politics

Gee Bill, what else do you have in your crystal ball? Not exactly groundbreaking news that someone who quit on their state to become a right wing folk hero and has increasingly become unlikable in their state would have no future in politics. I wish he’d apologize for propping up this woman left and right though. Kristol was a huge backer of hers in 2008.

431 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:02:01pm

re: #427 Kragar

Kristol: Sarah Palin ‘doesn’t have a future’ in U.S. politics

I like Wonkette’s take better:

ALSO WATER IS WET ALSO TOO ALSO

BREAKING: Sarah Palin Does Not Have A Future, Says Last Guy In America To Realize That

wonkette.com

432 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:02:03pm
433 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:02:11pm

re: #425 erik_t

I’ve heard suggestions like “printer control board”, which I actually like more. Why would anyone bother to rip the PCI (err, probably ISA in this case, DURRRGUARDIAN) slots off of the board?

I can see where the pci or old agp slots were. Where the CPU and heat sink were located. I’m even seeing some old capacitors.

434 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:02:31pm

I amazed they were dumb enough to think anyone would fall for this….

435 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:02:31pm

micro-ATX?

436 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:03:35pm

You’re right, the standoff pattern is pretty unmistakably that of a desktop motherboard. Unsure why I didn’t notice before.

437 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:03:47pm

I’ve been asked to donate some pics for an art auction.
All I have to do, is draw something with an angel inspired theme, so of course, I’m not reallyfeeling it.
I’m flattered to have been asked though.

…should draw some weeping angels, that’ll show ‘em. Heehee…
I keed, i keed.

438 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:03:59pm
439 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:04:38pm

re: #413 NJDhockeyfan

Looks like they did a nice job picking the lock on that trunk.

440 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:05:05pm

re: #436 erik_t

You’re right, the standoff pattern is pretty unmistakably that of a desktop motherboard. Unsure why I didn’t notice before.

Yeah, you can see where the vertical slots were located for the memory on the upper right.

441 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:05:29pm

re: #436 erik_t

You’re right, the standoff pattern is pretty unmistakably that of a desktop motherboard. Unsure why I didn’t notice before.

Because it was too stupid to even consider.
Well done, guardian. Well done.

442 thedopefishlives  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:06:31pm

Evening Lizardim.

443 thedopefishlives  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:07:19pm

re: #441 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Because it was too stupid to even consider.
Well done, guardian. Well done.

Wait, the heck did I just miss?

444 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:07:30pm

Searching here.

micro-ATX and color set to green.

445 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:08:21pm

re: #443 thedopefishlives

Wait, the heck did I just miss?

The Guardian clams this is a macbook pro disassembled by the UK.
twitter.com

446 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:08:34pm

I mean, fine, maybe they had some desktops that they had to rip up too. But is it really that hard to only tell the actual truth? Is the temptation to embellish the story that strong, that you have to grab some other parts to set next to your laptop for the picture? Parts which, I hasten to note, probably would not even physically fit inside the laptop?

Frankly, small lies like this say much more about one’s character than a big, important, damaging lie. You can rationalize a big lie and still try to be an honest person the rest of the time. When you lie about little things, even when it doesn’t really help you, it just means you have a callous disregard for the truth.

News organizations should not be in the business of having a callous disregard for the truth.

447 Kragar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:08:58pm

re: #443 thedopefishlives

Wait, the heck did I just miss?

The Guardian is under the impression no one on the internet knows what the inside of a computer looks like.

448 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:09:06pm

re: #437 OhNoZombies!

I’ve been asked to donate some pics for an art auction.
All I have to do, is draw something with an angel inspired theme, so of course, I’m not reallyfeeling it.
I’m flattered to have been asked though.

…should draw some weeping angels, that’ll show ‘em. Heehee…
I keed, i keed.

Donate? They should pay you! Unless it’s for a good cause that you want to support anyway…

Here’s some inspiration from another artist.

449 thedopefishlives  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:09:41pm

re: #445 Pavlovian Hive Mind

The Guardian clams this is a macbook pro disassembled by the UK.
twitter.com

That has GOT to be about the most retarded thing I have ever seen.

450 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:10:08pm

re: #447 Kragar

The Guardian is under the impression no one on the internet knows what the inside of a computer looks like.

After all, we all know the Internet is nothing but a series of tubes.

//

451 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:10:14pm

re: #449 thedopefishlives

That has GOT to be about the most retarded thing I have ever seen.

Now you are caught up.
XD

452 darthstar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:11:01pm
453 kirkspencer  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:11:07pm

Catching Watts in an error is easy. Just go visit the SPC (Storm Prediction Center) and check the 2002 record against the current.

In 2002, by the end of August there had been 535 tornadoes. That is less than the 716 reported as of mid-August 2013. Now (another touch of dishonesty) that’s 716 reported, not actual, but the actual rate through May of 2013 is fairly close to the reported as it’s been in most years — it’s not going to be over 20% different. Oh, and the end of May 2013 actual is higher than end of May 2002.

In other words it is not a record low year for tornadoes. It’s below average, but not a record.

By the way the 1221 number Watts claims for ‘average through August’ is interesting given the annual average is 1253 (according to NOAA).

454 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:11:23pm

Dear Guardian,
Image: the-internet-has-spoken.jpg

455 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:11:29pm

An afternoon with Phil Plait, the Bad Astronomer
Former NASA man talks education, astronomy, and lots and lots of photons..

Great interview with Phil

theregister.co.uk

456 thedopefishlives  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:12:31pm

re: #451 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Now you are caught up.
XD

FYI, the board on the top of that image appears to be an ATI PCI-Express video card. No notebook in existence uses a retail full-size PCIe expansion board.

457 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:13:01pm

re: #447 Kragar

The Guardian is under the impression no one on the internet knows what the inside of a computer looks like.

Why let the facts get in the way of a good Outrageous Outrage?

//

458 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:13:40pm

re: #456 thedopefishlives

FYI, the board on the top of that image appears to be an ATI PCI-Express video card. No notebook in existence uses a retail full-size PCIe expansion board.

It all started here.
littlegreenfootballs.com

459 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:13:51pm

re: #449 thedopefishlives

That has GOT to be about the most retarded thing I have ever seen.

Please do not use ‘retard’ in that context. It is insulting to disabled people.

460 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:14:07pm

re: #448 wrenchwench

Donate? They should pay you! Unless it’s for a good cause that you want to support anyway…

Here’s some inspiration from another artist.

Thank you!
And I do have the vodka…

They don’t have to pay me just yet. Only a few people know that i can kinda do something with a pencil. Maybe this will lead somewhere.

461 thedopefishlives  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:14:12pm

re: #459 Dark_Falcon

Please do not use ‘retard’ in that context. It is insulting to disabled people.

I’ll grant you that one. My apologies.

462 thedopefishlives  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:15:42pm

re: #458 Pavlovian Hive Mind

It all started here.
littlegreenfootballs.com

Ah, so Charles beat me to that one. I’m not surprised; anyone with even a semblance of experience opening up a desktop machine would recognize the incongruity.

463 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:16:22pm

re: #462 thedopefishlives

Ah, so Charles beat me to that one. I’m not surprised; anyone with even a semblance of experience opening up a desktop machine would recognize the incongruity.

Yeah, everyone was like, “Da fuq” at that pic.

464 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:17:23pm

re: #461 thedopefishlives

I’ll grant you that one. My apologies.

No problem. BBL

465 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:18:02pm

Still boggles my mind they thought no one would notice..
Oy.

466 thedopefishlives  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:18:28pm

re: #465 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Still boggles my mind they thought no one would notice..
Oy.

Well, who opens a computer these days? Aside from, you know, professionals (like me) who get PAID to do it, but I suppose we don’t count.

467 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:20:37pm

re: #466 thedopefishlives

Well, who opens a computer these days? Aside from, you know, professionals (like me) who get PAID to do it, but I suppose we don’t count.

Yeah, I build my own. Guess it’s not ‘cool’ anymore.
XD

468 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:20:43pm
469 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:21:28pm

re: #460 OhNoZombies!

Thank you!
And I do have the vodka…

They don’t have to pay me just yet. Only a few people know that i can kinda do something with a pencil. Maybe this will lead somewhere.

Haha! A pun!

470 thedopefishlives  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:24:34pm

re: #468 Gus

With all of the actual integrated circuits removed from the board, the likelihood of identifying it is slim to none. Nevertheless, the fact that it does not belong in a Macbook is quite evident.

471 erik_t  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:25:14pm

re: #470 thedopefishlives

With all of the actual integrated circuits removed from the board, the likelihood of identifying it is slim to none. Nevertheless, the fact that it does not belong in a Macbook is quite evident.

The capacitor-farm and lower left cutout should be enough; of course it is very much worse than the proverbial needle in a haystack.

472 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:25:19pm

This is a V-8 engine. Swears.
Image: Spin_Top.jpg

473 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:26:52pm

I do not understand why they needed to lie about this.
Morans.

474 thedopefishlives  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:28:46pm

re: #473 Pavlovian Hive Mind

I do not understand why they needed to lie about this.
Morans.

They realized that nobody was buying their story as it was written, so they needed to supply “proof”. Too bad it took the combined might of the Internet all of about 500 milliseconds to realize it was fake.

475 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:30:39pm

All that’s missing is some vacuum tubes.

476 ObserverArt  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:31:19pm

re: #447 Kragar

The Guardian is under the impression no one on the internet knows what the inside of a computer looks like.

The Guardian is under the impression people have no idea whatsoever about any computer technology. That is how they expected the whole NSA spying thing to get over and get the big play. They counted on people knowing nothing about how their computer works, connects to the internet, what a server is, what storage is, algorithms, sweeps, scans, meta data…the whole shebang.

And this is just proof of it in a simple form.

But it won’t matter the story is out there and it is fact even where it is not fact.

477 EPR-radar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:33:35pm

re: #446 erik_t

I mean, fine, maybe they had some desktops that they had to rip up too. But is it really that hard to only tell the actual truth? Is the temptation to embellish the story that strong, that you have to grab some other parts to set next to your laptop for the picture? Parts which, I hasten to note, probably would not even physically fit inside the laptop?

Frankly, small lies like this say much more about one’s character than a big, important, damaging lie. You can rationalize a big lie and still try to be an honest person the rest of the time. When you lie about little things, even when it doesn’t really help you, it just means you have a callous disregard for the truth.

News organizations should not be in the business of having a callous disregard for the truth.

This is pretty much the moment the credibility of the Guardian hit zero for me, for exactly these reasons. Well said.

478 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:46:05pm

re: #468 Gus

Those aren’t even solid capacitors on that board. Can anyone confirm what kind of capacitors they use on apple notebooks?

He he N/M I see you guys examined it already.

479 Gus  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 3:52:05pm

Going up!

480 abolitionist  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 5:02:00pm

re: #465 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Still boggles my mind they thought no one would notice..
Oy.

Echoing that sentiment. This may just be TheGuardian’s very sneaky way of trying to draw attention to the real scandal, but with plausible deniability. /half +/-

Freight Train to Hell —pdf

Excerpts, with minor redactions by me:

There are three classes of serious security problems with [mumble]: the [mumble] specification, the vendor’s implementation of the protocol and the [mumble], and how it’s all used in the wild by the end users. While none of them are individually showstoppers, when combined they create a monumental security problem about as large as a digital Grand Canyon.
…
In sum, you may not know it, but your goose may already be cooked and you’re simply asking [mumble] and your server vendors to pass the orange sauce.

481 EPR-radar  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 5:05:51pm

re: #98 Dr Lizardo

Darth Vader is one of the greatest screen villains ever. His real time to shine was “The Empire Strikes Back”, where he strangled half the Imperial Starfleet command corps, menaced Billy Dee Williams, and of course, revealed some rather fascinating backstory that changed the dynamic between himself and the central protagonist.

Not to mention he just looked - and sounded - badass.

Early in Ep VI: “The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.” A contender for best movie line ever.

482 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 5:25:29pm

re: #473 Pavlovian Hive Mind

I do not understand why they needed to lie about this.
Morans.

Because they think anyone paying attention is stupid…

483 Tribeca Mike  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 7:47:21am

Pointing out the Daily Caller’s racism not only makes you the racist but also a cat fancier.


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