And Now, Trump’s 3rd Party Challenger: A Raving Wingnut, of Course

They’re all crazy, folks
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So today Bill Kristol unveiled his independent conservative candidate for president, and it’s David French — a guy who posted this at his Patheos blog last year:

“A defense of hatred.” Have you ever seen a better summation of the deranged American right wing in 2016?

I can’t even start to list all the batshit crazy stuff this guy has posted online. He’s homophobic, xenophobic, against contraception and women’s rights, etc. etc. He’s an enthusiastic endorser of the full right wing slate of regressive policies.

I actually support French’s third party bid, because people need to see that even a non-Trump candidate is a total freaking wingnut.

And French’s wife Nancy is also replete with connections to the farthest of the far right; she was the ghostwriter for both Sarah and Bristol Palin.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 31, 2016 • 7:30:25pm

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 31, 2016 • 7:33:47pm

This article needs to add the unsufferable shitheelery that was his post about Prince’s death.

I’d tell him to pound sand up his ass, but given how he already acts, there’s no room for more unless he removes some sticks or corn.

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KGxvi  May 31, 2016 • 7:35:28pm

So, they’re not actually trying to win with the third party candidate? I mean, this isn’t someone who could cost Clinton and Trump enough electoral votes to throw the election to congress (talk about a nightmare scenario). He might cost Trump some electoral votes, but all that does is throw the election to Clinton. I’m honestly confused by this

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lawhawk  May 31, 2016 • 7:39:10pm

The extreme right has taken over the GOP. As much as they claim that Trump doesn’t speak for them, he does on most issues. In fact, he is a whole lot more blunt about what he’d do than the other right wing extremists like Cruz or Rubio. That’s why the “angst” about NeverTrump is going to come to a quick conclusion as it morphs into StopHillary (which means supporting Trump and backing their guy).

The GOP has clearly decided that they’ll run with a guy whose core support comes from irrational angry white guys who are white supremacists and bigots, because that is who the GOP is. Irrationally angry.

Why are they so angry?

Because everyone else is finally getting the same equal rights and protections they’ve had all along. They think that means their rights are somehow being taken away or diminished. As if somehow a transgendered person going to the bathroom is somehow depriving someone else of their rights. Or as if a gay person getting married is somehow depriving you of your right to marry someone of the opposite sex.

This is where the GOP is at. Standing against equal rights and protections.

Rolling back equal rights. Trying to roll back the safety net and ignoring the General Welfare clause of the Constitution because of some bass-ackward nonsense about how we’re taxed too heavily so the few that are truly rich should get tax cuts that will drive up the debt while forcing massive spending cuts to safety net programs harming millions of people.

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Stanley Sea  May 31, 2016 • 7:39:47pm

re: #3 KGxvi

So, they’re not actually trying to win with the third party candidate? I mean, this isn’t someone who could cost Clinton and Trump enough electoral votes to throw the election to congress (talk about a nightmare scenario). He might cost Trump some electoral votes, but all that does is throw the election to Clinton. I’m honestly confused by this

Today on CNN Frum insinuated that they just want trump gone & if that means losing 2016, fine.

That is in fact, the moral thing to do.

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makeitstop  May 31, 2016 • 7:41:50pm

re: #3 KGxvi

So, they’re not actually trying to win with the third party candidate? I mean, this isn’t someone who could cost Clinton and Trump enough electoral votes to throw the election to congress (talk about a nightmare scenario). He might cost Trump some electoral votes, but all that does is throw the election to Clinton. I’m honestly confused by this

Well, first off, this seems to be Bill Kristol’s little pipe dream, so chances are good that it’ll just never happen.

But in the event that they actually decide to do this - maybe they’ve decided that a President Trump would drive a wooden stake through the heart of what’s left of their party, and stopping that from occurring (even if it means throwing the election) is the only thing that could save them to fight another day.

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KGxvi  May 31, 2016 • 7:41:57pm

re: #5 Stanley Sea

Today on CNN Frum insinuated that they just want trump gone & if that means losing 2016, fine.

That is in fact, the moral thing to do.

That sounds almost like they’re putting country over party… Though his is probably one of those spots where the interests actually align (as opposed to when they normally think those interests always align)

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 31, 2016 • 7:42:54pm

Speaking in a less Rabelaisian mode, it’s hard to notice that French represents not a difference in content, but in tone. He’s still hateful, imperious, and fundamentally uninteresting in the notion that people that disagree with him are also citizens that merit a voice.

French communicates prettier—not much of a feat, since Trump’s composition and recitation is Doge-meme-level—but he runs to exactly the same “my people are Real Americans, you all can fuck off” position.

The one notable aspect of French that differs from Trump is the French is fully engageed with the perverse, empty “religion” of the far Right…but that’s not much of a win, given the hollow theology and personality-cult structure of that cluster of sects.

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makeitstop  May 31, 2016 • 7:44:23pm

re: #8 The Ghost of a Flea

Trump’s composition and recitation is Doge-meme-level

Once again you make me laugh out loud and draw odd looks from dog and wife alike.

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Charles Johnson  May 31, 2016 • 7:45:15pm

I’m so done with Bernie Sanders.

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William Lewis  May 31, 2016 • 7:47:51pm

re: #7 KGxvi

That sounds almost like they’re putting country over party…

I’ll believe it when and if it actually happens. The vast majority of the GOF establishment put money over everything and if they oppose Trump at all it’s because they fear the loss of their gravy train.

Think of the old Cyndi Lauper cover of the song “Money Changes Everything” as a political manifesto and you have the GOF establishment.

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KGxvi  May 31, 2016 • 7:47:56pm

Obviously, the answer to this nonsense is shepherd’s pie:

Instagram

Going with a favorite #shepherdspie #andyetimstillsingle #yesicancook #dinner #foodporn

Switched things up a bit and went with a mix of lamb and bison (as opposed to lamb and beef)

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Charles Johnson  May 31, 2016 • 7:49:23pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 31, 2016 • 7:49:44pm

According to Wikipedia, French served as senior counsel for Pat Robertson’s execrable exercise the American Center for Law and Justice - so you know he’s several fries short of a Happy Meal.

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retired cynic  May 31, 2016 • 7:50:31pm

re: #14 Eric The Fruit Bat

According to Wikipedia, French served as senior counsel for Pat Robertson’s execrable exercise the American Center for Law and Justice - so you know he’s several fries short of a Happy Meal.

That’s enough for me, right there. Nothing else required to disqualify!

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William Lewis  May 31, 2016 • 7:51:23pm

re: #12 KGxvi

Obviously, the answer to this nonsense is shepherd’s pie:

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Switched things up a bit and went with a mix of lamb and bison (as opposed to lamb and beef)

Yummy.

Venison works well in it too with beef or bison.

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jaunte  May 31, 2016 • 7:53:11pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

So now in Bernieland, Democratic party members who are elected officials are not “real” delegates.

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makeitstop  May 31, 2016 • 7:53:28pm

re: #11 William Lewis

Think of the old Cyndi Lauper cover of the song “Money Changes Everything” as a political manifesto and you have the GOF establishment.

Point of order - ‘Money Changes Everything’ was originally written and performed by Atlanta’s The Brains.

The Brains - Money Changes Everything - Gray Matter GM-1 45 rpm

(Otherwise, I agree with you.)

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William Lewis  May 31, 2016 • 7:55:34pm

re: #18 makeitstop

Please note I said cover. I am aware of the Brains version however most people will only have heard her version.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 31, 2016 • 7:56:02pm

He’s homophobic, xenophobic

but is he stereophonic, polytonal, and bicoastal?

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The globulosus alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  May 31, 2016 • 7:56:27pm
They’re all crazy, folks

Yeah, and they have been for awhile.

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gwangung  May 31, 2016 • 7:56:46pm

re: #17 jaunte

So now in Bernieland, Democratic party members who are elected officials are not “real” delegates.

Even if that were the case, Clinton’s STILL going to win a majority.

Bernie math. Feh.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2016 • 7:57:04pm

I am thankful for the hawk of law. His comments are never scroll-worthy, you have to stop and read.

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makeitstop  May 31, 2016 • 7:59:50pm

re: #19 William Lewis

Please note I said cover. I am aware of the Brains version however most people will only have heard her version.

Understood. I always preferred the original though. And I’m a big Cyndi fan.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 31, 2016 • 8:00:41pm

Alicublog is on this.

Pardon my French

I have followed French’s career at National Review for years and will just quickly tell you that he’s not only against gay marriage, he’s also against Griswold v Connecticut, the decision that invalidated laws against contraception (“Is there a single legal doctrine that can stand against the quest for personal sexual fulfillment?” French thundered); that he denounced the widespread mourning of Prince’s death on the grounds that “Prince was ultimately just another talented and decadent voice in a hedonistic culture… notable mainly because he was particularly effective at communicating that decadence to an eager and willing audience”; that he has compared Kim Davis, that crazy clerk who refused to sign gay marriage licenses, to “men like Martin Luther, John Calvin, and John Knox — the men who first put the ‘protest’ in ‘Protestant’”; that he — well, I’m out of time for the moment, but you can peruse the archive for more if you can stand it. The point is, he makes Trump look like Eisenhower.

One of my basic standards on who’s a corpulent shit weasel? Opposition to Griswold

But holy asstrumpets, check out:

or French newbies, more on his interesting beliefs: After Dylann Root’s racial mass murders in Charleston, French wrote a post called “If One of the Churchgoers in Charleston Had Been Armed …”

and

He thinks you shouldn’t worry that black people get killed so often by cops because, after all, so many of them are criminals, or at least suspected of crimes. And Lord how he hates them Mooslims.

roy edroso has links to French’s stuff on this post, if you want to check it out and give him some deserved clicks.

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goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2016 • 8:04:02pm

“Unless I am very, very mistaken, no candidate — not Hillary Clinton, not Bernie Sanders — will have received the number of pledged delegates — i.e., real delegates that people vote for — neither candidate will have received the requisite number of pledged delegates that he or she needs to become the Democratic nominee,”

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scottslemmons  May 31, 2016 • 8:07:46pm

Well, first, it’s Bill Kristol’s idea, so it’s guaranteed to be stupid. And it is so very, very stupid. French is a nobody, a complete nothingburger. Up until a few hours ago, he didn’t have a Wikipedia entry at all, and his only connection to politics was writing about it — no experience as a governor, as a legislator, even as a businessman.

And for a guy who’s supposed to be the anti-Trump, French is probably even crazier than Trump and a hell of a lot less charismatic. French is one of Roy Edroso’s favorite punching bags, because he comes across as a twitching, drooling mental case who still manages to talk like a .scolding prude.

The Libertarian stripper would have been a more sensible and more mainstream choice.

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KGxvi  May 31, 2016 • 8:10:26pm

re: #25 The Ghost of a Flea

There are certain markers that pop up in he wingularity. Opposition to Griswald is pretty standard for the hardcore socons (it was where the right to privacy really came from rather than Roe). For the economic conservatives it’s Wickard v Filburn.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2016 • 8:13:09pm

Just let my dog out and stepped outside. Mars is the brightest thing in the sky. It’s dusk, the sun isn’t all the way down yet. Beautiful.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 31, 2016 • 8:13:25pm

re: #27 scottslemmons

Up until a few hours ago, he didn’t have a Wikipedia entry at all,

Confirmed:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2016 • 8:15:10pm

So I vaguely knew they were redoing Beauty and the Beast as a live action movie and I had heard that Emma Watson was Belle, but I had missed the news where Ian McKellen is Cogsworth and Ewan McGregor is Lumiere. I’m all in.

Also Lin Manuel got a Disney sequel to Mary Poppins today, or so Twitter told me.

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goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2016 • 8:15:51pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2016 • 8:16:43pm

re: #31 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Targetpractice  May 31, 2016 • 8:16:57pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

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“Polls that are totally unreliable put me ahead of Trump five months from now! Nominate me based upon that alone!”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2016 • 8:19:41pm

re: #27 scottslemmons

Well, first, it’s Bill Kristol’s idea, so it’s guaranteed to be stupid. And it is so very, very stupid. French is a nobody, a complete nothingburger. Up until a few hours ago, he didn’t have a Wikipedia entry at all, and his only connection to politics was writing about it — no experience as a governor, as a legislator, even as a businessman.

And for a guy who’s supposed to be the anti-Trump, French is probably even crazier than Trump and a hell of a lot less charismatic. French is one of Roy Edroso’s favorite punching bags, because he comes across as a twitching, drooling mental case who still manages to talk like a .scolding prude.

The Libertarian stripper would have been a more sensible and more mainstream choice.

But enough about Michele Fiore…. //

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 31, 2016 • 8:20:04pm

re: #31 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So I vaguely knew they were redoing Beauty and the Beast as a live action movie and I had heard that Emma Watson was Belle, but I had missed the news where Ian McKellen is Cogsworth and Ewan McGregor is Lumiere. I’m all in.

Also Lin Manuel got a Disney sequel to Mary Poppins today, or so Twitter told me.

To me, Ian McKellen will always be the evilest, cattiest Richard III ever put to screen. I would expect his clock-dude to shank the fuck out Beast and stage a coup.

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De Kolta Chair  May 31, 2016 • 8:21:05pm

But enough about his teensy weensy fingers, or as his mafia friends say, un pociti, the dude is a stone cold asshole (insert funky wawa pedal effect here)

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jaunte  May 31, 2016 • 8:21:18pm

Cartoonist Lalo Alcaraz has changed his twitter handle to “Mexican Judge”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2016 • 8:22:00pm

re: #36 The Ghost of a Flea

To me, Ian McKellen will always be the evilest, cattiest Richard III ever put to screen. I would expect his clock-dude to shank the fuck out Beast and stage a coup.

The voice in the teaser trailer is spot on. (Look, I was the right age during that particular golden age of Disney animation. This is my childhood.) Ewan McGregor, on the other hand, has a hysterically bad French accent.

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Barefoot Grin  May 31, 2016 • 8:24:37pm

re: #38 jaunte

Cartoonist Lalo Alcaraz has changed his twitter handle to “Mexican Judge”

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God I love that: “Grand GOP Wizard Jeff Sessions”

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Lidane  May 31, 2016 • 8:28:48pm
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Stanley Sea  May 31, 2016 • 8:29:56pm

OT, I got my kit this inclined scratching pad that came with catnip. I rubbed some on the incline & now she’s being all nasty to it. lol

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Lidane  May 31, 2016 • 8:31:01pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2016 • 8:32:03pm

re: #41 Lidane

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But I’m sure he wants the government to give the church the money to distribute in their name.

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Jenner7  May 31, 2016 • 8:32:45pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Did you see this gem??

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gwangung  May 31, 2016 • 8:33:07pm

re: #45 Jenner7

Did you see this gem??

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Seriously. What an asshole.

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Lidane  May 31, 2016 • 8:33:41pm
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Barefoot Grin  May 31, 2016 • 8:34:38pm

If he didn’t have the apt sobriquet “Bloody Bill” I would think that Kristol is a Democrat operative.

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Great White Snark  May 31, 2016 • 8:37:40pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  May 31, 2016 • 8:41:06pm

re: #39 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The voice in the teaser trailer is spot on. (Look, I was the right age during that particular golden age of Disney animation. This is my childhood.) Ewan McGregor, on the other hand, has a hysterically bad French accent.

If he had a good French accent, I think they’d take away his British Card and Marmite ration.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2016 • 8:41:53pm

58 Donald Trump Conspiracy Theories (And Counting!): The Definitive Trump Conspiracy Guide

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Reality Based Steve  May 31, 2016 • 8:42:49pm

I know everybody all excited about upcoming movies, and I just learned that that they have cast Duane Johnson (The Rock) as Doc Savage. Should be interesting.

RBS

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 31, 2016 • 8:44:15pm

re: #43 Lidane

And this is a man who Kristol meth thinks should run the United States - who can’t trust his own wife.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 31, 2016 • 8:45:18pm

Have I pimped the BBC series “The Hollow Crown” here? It’s filmed Shakespeare that’s really well done.

Marvel’s Loki plays Henry V, and Benedict Cumberbatch is Richard III.
And that marvelous camp bearded fellow from Penny Dreadful is the best damn Falstaff I’ve seen.

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majii  May 31, 2016 • 8:45:35pm

re: #43 Lidane

Why in the hell did he marry Nancy in the first place if he thought he couldn’t trust her if they were ever separated from each other for an extended period of time? Since I’m assuming they’re living together now, I’m also going to go ahead and assume he has cameras in his house, a tracking mechanism on her car, and a tracking chip in her cellphone so that he can keep up with her comings and goings when he’s at work. If so, this is a helluva way for her to live because he seems to remain unsure of the reason she married him.

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CriticalDragon1177  May 31, 2016 • 8:45:40pm

Charles Johnson,

Hopefully in a close race between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, David French will end up siphoning off enough votes from Trump, for Clinton to win. Most of the people who would vote for him, would probably be more likely to vote for Trump, over Clinton. That maybe the one good thing that comes out over this.

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CriticalDragon1177  May 31, 2016 • 8:46:08pm

re: #51 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

58 Donald Trump Conspiracy Theories (And Counting!): The Definitive Trump Conspiracy Guide

Trump is a nut, isn’t he?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2016 • 8:46:18pm

I’ve written about here here before, probably two years ago now. Maybe 3, I’m unsure anymore. The years do kind of blur together after a while. Still thinking about her parents.

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Comrade Carter  May 31, 2016 • 8:47:17pm

Now can we ask you to please beck off Bernie Sanders? They’ve got 2 excuses running against Drumpf.

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Great White Snark  May 31, 2016 • 8:48:13pm

re: #57 CriticalDragon1177

Trump is a nut, isn’t he?

Whole lotta nuts in that bar

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Lidane  May 31, 2016 • 8:48:48pm

Costa has a very genteel way of saying that French’s name was randomly pulled out of someone’s colon:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2016 • 8:49:10pm

re: #57 CriticalDragon1177

Trump is a nut, isn’t he?

RawStory’s title was much better: Trump is a full-blown nutter: Here are 58 unhinged conspiracy theories the Republican leader has promoted

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jc717  May 31, 2016 • 8:49:58pm

This guy makes Trump seem reasonable.
If you ever venture over to RS or the like, it’s clear that their dislike of Trump doesn’t stem from his craziness, but because they don’t trust that he’ll actually follow through on his craziness. It’s not so much the message as too short a history of right wing pandering.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2016 • 8:50:04pm

re: #59 Comrade Carter

Now can we ask you to please beck off Bernie Sanders? They’ve got 2 excuses running against Drumpf.

Oh hai! First comment ever. So, if Bernie doesn’t get the nomination (he won’t, trust me) will you vote for Hillary?

Sorry folks, Comrade Carter doesn’t pass my smell test.

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Great White Snark  May 31, 2016 • 8:50:30pm

Music break? Prog Rock Wayback Machine
Alan Parsons
Tales Of Mystery And Imagination
1976 and aging well

Iframe

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freetoken  May 31, 2016 • 8:51:15pm

re: #63 jc717

As I noted earlier, this Kristol/French thing is all about positioning themselves as power brokers in the post-Drumpfskind-loss, among the “conservatives” who sit around writing to each other with essays far longer than their contents merit.

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darthstar  May 31, 2016 • 8:51:58pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

Oh hai! First comment ever. So, if Bernie doesn’t get the nomination (he won’t, trust me) will you vote for Hillary?

Sorry folks, Comrade Carter doesn’t pass my smell test.

Nor does the nickname itself. As a true Bernie supporter, I’m embarrassed to be associated with this kind of crap.

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majii  May 31, 2016 • 8:52:50pm

re: #46 gwangung

Clueless. It’s shameful that Sanders doesn’t want to admit that at this time in our history we have a GOP/TP that doesn’t want to govern but wants to legislate using social issues. There’s no d*mn way he’ll ever get them to agree to even discuss healthcare as a right for all. Plus, with him thinking he doesn’t need to campaign for down-ticket dems, if he were ever POTUS, who in the hell does he think he’d have in Congress to support his ideas? What pisses me off most about Sanders is him having been in Congress so long and being so clueless as to what he can and can’t get to pass in the body. I recall that he’s written several bills the last few years, and the GOP/Ters largely rejected them. What does he think would be different if he were POTUS, a position that wouldn’t allow him to keep his seat in Congress? And, with a GOP/TP majority, his ideas/plans/policies would go nowhere.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 31, 2016 • 8:53:03pm

re: #65 Great White Snark

Note that there are two versions: One with Orson Wells narration and one without.

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Great White Snark  May 31, 2016 • 8:55:08pm

re: #69 Eric The Fruit Bat

I had no idea.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2016 • 8:55:35pm

re: #67 darthstar

Nor does the nickname itself. As a true Bernie supporter, I’m embarrassed to be associated with this kind of crap.

I don’t like the fact that they’re just buttin’ in on the conversation (and *community*) with such bullshit. Fuckin’ agitprop from BernieBros. What else you gotta say, Comrade Carter, you miserable fuck?

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Great White Snark  May 31, 2016 • 8:56:12pm

Oh my. Karma 66,666
Good thing I’m NOT superstitious.

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whitebeach  May 31, 2016 • 8:56:38pm

This applies to the whole goddamned party and all who sail with them:

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2016 • 8:57:09pm

re: #72 Great White Snark

Oh my. Karma 66,666
Good thing I’m NOT superstitious.

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Stanley Sea  May 31, 2016 • 8:58:16pm

re: #61 Lidane

Costa has a very genteel way of saying that French’s name was randomly pulled out of someone’s colon:

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Plus if he has to be a write-in, people can spell his name.

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KGxvi  May 31, 2016 • 8:59:11pm

re: #58 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ve written about here here before, probably two years ago now. Maybe 3, I’m unsure anymore. The years do kind of blur together after a while. Still thinking about her parents.

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A couple weeks ago made six years that a good high school friend of mine died. It feels weird that it has been that long. And given the way he died, it always feels even more strange.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 31, 2016 • 8:59:59pm

re: #70 Great White Snark

Ah-yep.

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Stanley Sea  May 31, 2016 • 9:00:34pm

re: #72 Great White Snark

Oh my. Karma 66,666
Good thing I’m NOT superstitious.

you’ve been SAVED

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jaunte  May 31, 2016 • 9:00:36pm

re: #75 Stanley Sea

Plus if he has to be a write-in, people can spell his name.

I dunno, that Google spelling map had people looking up gray, desert, and niece.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 31, 2016 • 9:00:56pm

re: #72 Great White Snark

Oh my. Karma 66,666
Good thing I’m NOT superstitious.

Nor was the guy who wrote John’s Apocalypse.

He was being super allegorical and tricksy about dissing Rome.

I mean, if you’re secretly Emperor Nero, maybe you feel a twitch between the shoulderblades. Otherwise, you fine.

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jaunte  May 31, 2016 • 9:01:13pm

“I vote for Fench!”

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freetoken  May 31, 2016 • 9:02:53pm

re: #81 jaunte

I thought we were boycotting the French?

…. or am I still living in 2002?

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Lidane  May 31, 2016 • 9:03:01pm

Speaking of raving wingnut lunatics, the Travis County GOP are hoping to limit the damage their incoming chair can do:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2016 • 9:03:37pm

re: #76 KGxvi

A couple weeks ago made six years that a good high school friend of mine died. It feels weird that it has been that long. And given the way he died, it always feels even more strange.

The accident was about three weeks before I graduated high school.

It’s definitely shaped a lot about how I approach life, these days.

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jaunte  May 31, 2016 • 9:03:50pm

re: #82 freetoken

Feedom Fies!

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darthstar  May 31, 2016 • 9:04:24pm

re: #71 teleskiguy

I don’t like the fact that they’re just buttin’ in on the conversation (and *community*) with such bullshit. Fuckin’ agitprop from BernieBros. What else you gotta say, Comrade Carter, you miserable fuck?

Don’t call him a Berniebro. Trump troll, maybe. But definitely not a Berniebro. I’d like to see that nickname die a fast and painful death. It’s been used to stir up shit and foment anger at people simply because they disagree on a candidate. Oh, you don’t love Hillary? Fuckin’ Berniebro. Boom. End of conversation. I hate that shit. It’s such a shallow escape from having to have a conversation with someone with whom one may not agree. Debate is healthy. Dismissal kills debate and fosters siloed thinking.

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KGxvi  May 31, 2016 • 9:06:28pm

re: #84 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The accident was about three weeks before I graduated high school.

It’s definitely shaped a lot about how I approach life, these days.

My friend was a Navy SEAL, then did security work in Afghanistan and Iraq. He died under mysterious circumstances in Jordan while on a business trip. He never got to meet his son.

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Belafon  May 31, 2016 • 9:06:31pm

Tonight I responded with the rest of CERT to help the fire fighters with a house fire caused by lightning. Approximately 3000 sqft., it belonged to a family with a whole lot of memorabilia, such as baseball trophies. The house was totalled. I searched through the house because if I didn’t, the mom was going to in her flip flops. I grabbed a few things for her that were pretty much only worth the memories attached.

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darthstar  May 31, 2016 • 9:06:33pm

Also, just to clear the air here, I may like Bernie Sanders but I don’t listen to the Dave Matthews Band.

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Great White Snark  May 31, 2016 • 9:09:09pm

re: #88 Belafon

Very kind of you.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2016 • 9:09:57pm

re: #87 KGxvi

My friend was a Navy SEAL, then did security work in Afghanistan and Iraq. He died under mysterious circumstances in Jordan while on a business trip. He never got to meet his son.

You have my sympathies.

She was 19, on her way to see Finding Nemo with a mutual friend. Her car was hit by a street sweeper.

She never arrived. Her dad got stuck in the subsequent back-up, not knowing it was her.

They donated her corneas, so I get to feel that she lives on somewhere like that. And I remember her, like many others. So she’s not forgotten, at least.

Sorry, I’m maudlin. It happens.

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darthstar  May 31, 2016 • 9:11:17pm
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Joe Bacon  May 31, 2016 • 9:11:28pm

re: #12 KGxvi

Obviously, the answer to this nonsense is shepherd’s pie:

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Switched things up a bit and went with a mix of lamb and bison (as opposed to lamb and beef)

Wow! That looks scrumptious!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 31, 2016 • 9:12:07pm

re: #83 Lidane

Yeah-this guy is a real whizbang, calling the Bush clan a bunch of pedo’s…..

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Belafon  May 31, 2016 • 9:12:19pm

re: #90 Great White Snark

Very kind of you.

Thanks. The weather has been freaky here. Lots of rain. On sunday, we had a lot of lightning but no fires. This evening, there were four.

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KGxvi  May 31, 2016 • 9:14:51pm

re: #91 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You have my sympathies.

She was 19, on her way to see Finding Nemo with a mutual friend. Her car was hit by a street sweeper.

She never arrived. Her dad got stuck in the subsequent back-up, not knowing it was her.

They donated her corneas, so I get to feel that she lives on somewhere like that. And I remember her, like many others. So she’s not forgotten, at least.

Sorry, I’m maudlin. It happens.

You’ve my sympathies as well. Too many leave too young.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2016 • 9:15:01pm

re: #86 darthstar

Yeah, man. You right. Still, BernieBros exist (you are not one of them).

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freetoken  May 31, 2016 • 9:16:26pm

National Racists Online are, once again, earning their moniker:

They are pushing a new article by VDH which lauds, among other things, Charles Murray, the incoherency of the Drumpfskind supporters, while jumping on Obama for race-baiting, etc.

Classic. Just classic.

And then, their website now offers a banner on each page with links to old articles, and what shows up on the splash page (for me anyway)? Well, none other than Derbyshire, with his column “White Like Me”, in which he is promoting white identity.

And yet the editors of NRO think they are on some moral high ground by criticizing Drumpfskind?

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darthstar  May 31, 2016 • 9:16:35pm

re: #97 teleskiguy

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Yeah, man. You right. Still, BernieBros exist (you are not one of them).

Of course not…you couldn’t catch me dead at a Dave Matthews Show…unless he was doing a guest appearance with an actual band that jammed.

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Stanley Sea  May 31, 2016 • 9:18:23pm

re: #92 darthstar

I like this one

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freetoken  May 31, 2016 • 9:19:24pm

We should not be surprised that a xenophobe like VDH will give a backhanded nod to Drumpfskind as the choice for President.

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Timothy Watson  May 31, 2016 • 9:19:39pm

re: #43 Lidane

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I would say that French is part of the Christian Taliban, but maybe the Christian Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (Saudi religious police) would be a better name.

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freetoken  May 31, 2016 • 9:21:59pm

The commenters on VDH’s piece show that some of them are quite self aware of their racist, nationalistic notions and are quite proud of it.

This what “conservatism” has come to mean to a large swath of American politics.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2016 • 9:24:13pm

re: #99 darthstar

Of course not…you couldn’t catch me dead at a Dave Matthews Show…unless he was doing a guest appearance with an actual band that jammed.

I saw DMB when I was in high school at Folsom Field in Boulder. Even then I was disgusted from what I saw, a bunch of fuckin’ mean male rednecks and frat bros thinking they knew what good music was.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 31, 2016 • 9:24:15pm

re: #98 freetoken

And yet the editors of NRO think they are on some moral high ground by criticizing Drumpfskind?

They have monocles and belong to all the best clubs. That’s the same thing as moral high ground.

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Belafon  May 31, 2016 • 9:24:16pm

re: #103 freetoken

Since 1968, they’ve been working hard to make racism in public once again acceptable.

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darthstar  May 31, 2016 • 9:25:30pm

re: #104 teleskiguy

I call it “Cardigrunge” - ‘rock’ music for people in cardigan sweaters.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2016 • 9:28:32pm

re: #107 darthstar

I call it “Cardigrunge” - ‘rock’ music for people in cardigan sweaters.

I always picture the fucks with upturned collars. And Dave does it here!

Dave Matthews & Umphrey’s McGee

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Kragar  May 31, 2016 • 9:28:34pm
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Great White Snark  May 31, 2016 • 9:30:17pm

re: #77 Eric The Fruit Bat

Ah-yep.

Aha, and this version has it.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 31, 2016 • 9:30:26pm

re: #107 darthstar

I call it “Cardigrunge” - ‘rock’ music for people in cardigan sweaters.

That sounds like a circle of Dante’s hell. The word itself and the concept.

Virgil just being like “Keep walking Alighieri, we are not fucking stopping here. Let’s go watch feckless lovers eternal whip about in a whirlwind. Sometimes there’s a taco stand near there. The first circle of hell is nonetheless hell, but fuck it…we got migas two centuries before the rest of you bastards.”

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darthstar  May 31, 2016 • 9:32:23pm

re: #108 teleskiguy

I always picture the fucks with upturned collars. And Dave does it here!

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Video

That’s a guitar?
Yes, it’s a guitar.
Where does the sound come out?

Sorry…watched it muted so I have no idea what he was actually saying.

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Lidane  May 31, 2016 • 9:40:22pm

My surprise, etc. —

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goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2016 • 9:41:57pm

Just the last few minutes of Imani’s timeline. She’s been dealing with this shit for going on a full year.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 31, 2016 • 9:42:07pm

re: #113 Lidane

LOL. I snarked yesterday that “the check is in the mail.” I was wrong. It wasn’t even in the envelope yet.

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Eventual Carrion  May 31, 2016 • 9:53:04pm

re: #72 Great White Snark

Oh my. Karma 66,666
Good thing I’m NOT superstitious.

That’s 3 666’s combined. That cannot be good, or maybe …

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Stanley Sea  May 31, 2016 • 9:56:33pm
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Stanley Sea  May 31, 2016 • 10:01:12pm

re: #117 Stanley Sea

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Note:

In each case, Trump was giving away other people’s money. Other donors, both large and small, had entrusted this money to the Donald J. Trump Foundation, on the understanding that Trump would then distribute it to veterans.

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Lidane  May 31, 2016 • 10:08:27pm

Dumb question, but are raccoons nocturnal? I’ve seen the occasional raccoon in the wooded area behind my apartment building, and saw one on my balcony the other day. Tonight I’m hearing what sounds like something walking around on the ceiling. I’m on the top floor of the building, so I’m guessing it’s some kind of animal.

I’m going to stop by the leasing office tomorrow to see about having it checked.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 31, 2016 • 10:10:47pm

re: #119 Lidane

Yep-they be nocturnal.

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Stanley Sea  May 31, 2016 • 10:15:24pm
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teleskiguy  May 31, 2016 • 10:20:29pm

re: #119 Lidane

Oh yeah. Raccoons are awake at night.

I’ve had to shoo the motherfuckers (it might be just one) off my deck twice in the last few weeks. Funny, my german shepherd will bark at absolutely any little thing that walks by, but he was scared out of his wits on the deck when Mr. Raccoon showed up to eat some bird seed. After I scared the damn raccoon away, I found my dog on the complete opposite end of the deck, curled up into a little ball and not making one sound.

Animals. Always fun when you can observe a Domestic-Wild interaction.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 31, 2016 • 10:23:49pm

re: #119 Lidane

Dumb question, but are raccoons nocturnal? I’ve seen the occasional raccoon in the wooded area behind my apartment building, and saw one on my balcony the other day. Tonight I’m hearing what sounds like something walking around on the ceiling. I’m on the top floor of the building, so I’m guessing it’s some kind of animal.

I’m going to stop by the leasing office tomorrow to see about having it checked.

Nocturnal, and they wear that mask so no one recognizes them as they steal garbage and pet food.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 31, 2016 • 10:23:57pm

re: #122 teleskiguy

Note that if a raccoon doesn’t move/stays put, it may be infected with distemper, which is the number one cause of death of raccoons.

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Jenner7  May 31, 2016 • 10:57:26pm

re: #121 Stanley Sea

That was appalling.

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VaughnIAM  May 31, 2016 • 11:05:48pm

re: #122 teleskiguy

I’ve had to shoo the motherfuckers (it might be just one) off my deck twice in the last few weeks. Funny, my german shepherd will bark at absolutely any little thing that walks by, but he was scared out of his wits on the deck when Mr. Raccoon showed up to eat some bird seed. After I scared the damn raccoon away, I found my dog on the complete opposite end of the deck, curled up into a little ball and not making one sound.

Animals. Always fun when you can observe a Domestic-Wild interaction.

I,m guessing you have never seen a dog after a coon got done with him. I’ve seen dog’s that were blinded after a coon balled up on their head.
Your dog just thought retreat was the best policy and he was probably right.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2016 • 11:48:05pm

re: #126 VaughnIAM

My dog had an incident with a porcupine a few summers ago. Seven quills in his snout. Poor fucker had to wear a “cone-of-shame” for two weeks!

Man, I know what’s up.

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Teukka  May 31, 2016 • 11:53:35pm

So this happened earlier this year in Stockholm, Sweden.

A guy decided to participate in the extreme right and soccer hooligan “cleanup of Stockholm” from immigrant kids.
Little did he know that the “immigrant” he decided to attack was a plain clothes police officer.
It was all over in 20 seconds or so.
He is now on probation for assault and violently resisting (a police officer), and is required to seek help for his substance abuse and mental problems.
He reportedly is very remorseful.

Video clip (warning ad-block blocker and high volume commericals):
expressen.se

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teleskiguy  Jun 1, 2016 • 12:00:08am

re: #124 Eric The Fruit Bat

Note that if a raccoon doesn’t move/stays put, it may be infected with distemper.

Both times I’ve seen raccoons this spring they were spry, got the fuck out of there as soon as I yelled “SHOO!”

We OK here in da middle of da Rocky Mountains.

:)

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 1, 2016 • 12:51:32am

I really can’t tell if this page is a legit NK outlet, but it claims to be and the other posts fit that descriptor:

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 1, 2016 • 12:54:10am

Of course even Dear Leader’s propaganda machine can occasionally get something right:

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 1, 2016 • 1:18:43am

DPRK News has performed a turnaround worthy of Orwell’s Ministry of Truth. This is from just a week ago:

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Alyosha  Jun 1, 2016 • 1:37:18am

re: #130 Shiplord Kirel

Parody. A pretty good one too. I think Twitter should just fuck with everyone and give it a blue checkmark.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 1, 2016 • 1:37:40am

No, NK, it’s always been like that:

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 1, 2016 • 1:40:39am

re: #133 Alyosha

Parody. A pretty good one too. I think Twitter should just fuck with everyone and give it a blue checkmark.

Thanks. It’s the kind of thing I would enjoy writing for.

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Alyosha  Jun 1, 2016 • 2:19:05am

re: #135 Shiplord Kirel

Thanks. It’s the kind of thing I would enjoy writing for.

Your dispatches from Lubbock are plenty frightening/hilarious :)

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Timothy Watson  Jun 1, 2016 • 2:25:47am

re: #130 Shiplord Kirel

I really can’t tell if this page is a legit NK outlet, but it claims to be and the other posts fit that descriptor:

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Parody, written by one of the guys at the @Popehat blog.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 1, 2016 • 3:45:41am

re: #137 Timothy Watson

Parody, written by one of the guys at the @Popehat blog.

The real NoKo news agency has no sense of humor.

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dharmamark  Jun 1, 2016 • 4:45:32am

re: #23 teleskiguy

I am thankful for the hawk of law. His comments are never scroll-worthy, you have to stop and read.

I can always tell Lawhawk’s comments, even if I drop in in the middle. Love his style of writing.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 1, 2016 • 4:57:47am
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Franklin  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:05:17am

@ Charles, I have a graphic for your Bob & Chez Show post for today :)

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Buyers Remorse  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:08:51am

Puff piece on Trump

One thing to understand about Trump is that, rather unexpectedly, he’s neither angry nor combative. He may be the most threatening and frightening and menacing presidential candidate in modern life, and yet, in person he’s almost soothing. His extreme self-satisfaction rubs off. He’s a New Yorker who actually might be more at home in California (in fact, he says he usually comes to his home here — two buildings on Rodeo Drive — only once a year). Life is sunny. Trump is an optimist — at least about himself. He’s in easy and relaxed form campaigning here in these final days before the June 7 California primary, even with Hillary Clinton’s biggest backers and a city that is about half Latino surrounding him.

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:10:23am
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Franklin  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:11:58am

So the wife has started listening to country music which I have never been into. What artists can a northeast liberal listen to and not hate himself? I hear Tim McGraw and Garth Brooks are pretty liberal minded. Who else?

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Buyers Remorse  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:13:52am

re: #144 Franklin

Josh Turner - Long Black Train

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withak  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:14:40am

Quote button not working.

Re: @DPRK_News. It’s an open secret that it’s a parody account run by @Popehat.

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Buyers Remorse  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:15:19am

re: #144 Franklin

Billy Ray Cyrus - Achy Breaky Heart

teehee

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Decatur Deb  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:16:03am

re: #144 Franklin

So the wife has started listening to country music which I have never been into. What artists can a northeast liberal listen to and not hate himself? I hear Tim McGraw and Garth Brooks are pretty liberal minded. Who else?

Barbara Dane

Barbara Dane & the Chambers Brothers - Freedom Is A Constant Struggle

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Dave In Austin  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:16:20am

re: #144 Franklin

So the wife has started listening to country music which I have never been into. What artists can a northeast liberal listen to and not hate himself? I hear Tim McGraw and Garth Brooks are pretty liberal minded. Who else?

Willie Nelson……….. Dixie Chicks…….
Dolly Parton.. (Yes she is..)

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Franklin  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:17:58am

Thank you thank you, creating a playlist!

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:20:06am

Morning!

Is anyone else having trouble with the site today?

I couldn’t log in using the main sign in on the main menu…it never gave me the sign in dialogue box. So, I had to use the sign in at the bottom of the comments page. Then I hit the new comments tab and it is still spinning and spinning trying to load new comments.

Let’s see if this comment posts.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:20:45am

re: #151 ObserverArt

No issues here

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:25:08am

re: #152 Dave In Austin

No issues here

Strange…when I hit “post it” I had two spinning arrows going…one for the original new comment selection and one for the post it. I had to reload the page.

It does seem to be okay now. Damn computers!

Could have been a Chrome Moment™

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:25:13am

re: #144 Franklin

So the wife has started listening to country music which I have never been into. What artists can a northeast liberal listen to and not hate himself? I hear Tim McGraw and Garth Brooks are pretty liberal minded. Who else?

Start with James McMurtry - his daddy wrote Terms of Endearment - great folk singer/lyricist with a country bend - even his love songs have an edge to them.

James McMurtry: Out Here In the Middle

Hayes Carll (second l is silent) is kind of fun
Ray Wiley Hubbard (yeah, same guy who wrote Up Against The Wall Redneck Mothers) - has some great new stuff. One of the sing alongs my wife and I enjoy is Snake Farm (Just sounds nasty…pretty much is)…

Ray Wylie Hubbard “Snake Farm”
Stay away from bubble-gum country - Kenny Chesney & shit. Might as well listen to boy bands.

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Buyers Remorse  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:25:25am

re: #144 Franklin

Toby Keith - As Good As I Once Was

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Buyers Remorse  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:26:39am

re: #155 Buyers Remorse

She said, “I’ve seen you in here before”
I said, “I’ve been here a time or two”
She said, “Hello, my name is Bobby Jo
Meet my twin sister Betty Lou”
“And we’re both feeling kinda wild tonight
You’re the only cowboy in this place
And if you’re up for a rodeo
I’ll put a big Texas smile on your face”
I said, “Girls, I ain’t as good as I once was
I got a few years on me now
But there was a time, back in my prime
When I could really lay it down”
And if you need some love tonight
Then I might have just enough
I ain’t as good as I once was
But I’m as good once as I ever was
I still hang out with my best friend Dave
I’ve known him since we were kids at school
Last night he had a few shots
Got in a tight spot, hustlin’ a game of pool
With a couple of redneck boys

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:30:25am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:33:02am

Mika Puppet is in full Trump defense mode today while simultaneously trashing Hillary. Our librul media at work.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:39:02am

re: #58 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Same here.

It was a decade ago I found out one of my best friends had died from a heart attack…at 36.

The memories have blurred a little but a da never goes by without me thinking about her.

I leave a post every year on the memorial thread I started on the day of her death.

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Lancelot Link  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:39:07am

re: #144 Franklin

What artists can a northeast liberal listen to and not hate himself?

Buck Owens

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Dr. Matt  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:39:42am
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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:42:10am

re: #144 Franklin

Johnny Cash. Some of his stuff was more bluesy than straight country, but if you want an entry point, I’d start there. I’m not a country music fan by any stretch, but I always make time for Cash.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:42:23am

re: #144 Franklin

So the wife has started listening to country music which I have never been into. What artists can a northeast liberal listen to and not hate himself? I hear Tim McGraw and Garth Brooks are pretty liberal minded. Who else?

Merle Haggard

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:49:26am

re: #162 lawhawk

Johnny Cash. Some of his stuff was more bluesy than straight country, but if you want an entry point, I’d start there. I’m not a country music fan by any stretch, but I always make time for Cash.

Cash also covered other artists outside the country music scene. His version of “Hurt” is a classic.

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:49:38am

re: #144 Franklin

I should add Hank 3 to that list - he does classic country, alt country, hard rock - and does it well. A lot of his songs are sort of send ups of the old style country songs - all the twang but with a comedic twist..

And it looks like off the bottle is where I’m gonna stay,
Because my drinkin’ problem left today…

and
There’s blood on the carpet and holes in the walls,
It must have been the pills I took.
The mirrors are all busted and somebody’s cryin’
It must have been the pills I took.

He also has a NSFW song about putting the dick in Dixie.

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:51:43am

re: #164 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Cash also covered other artists outside the country music scene. His version of “Hurt” is a classic.

His cover of Personal Jesus is also good.

Johnny Cash - Personal Jesus

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Dr. Matt  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:53:22am

And, of course, let us not forget the Dixie Chicks who were boycotted by the country music industry for having left of center views.

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:54:36am

There’s a reason that Trump wanted people to pay attention to his nonsense about the veterans donations. The legal front was showing that his scam school was indeed all that and more.

He was busy signing off personally on the sales pitches that helped his scam school part the marks from their money. People paid tens of thousands of dollars to hear how to make money in real estate, but it turns out to have been nothing but a scam. Time after time, there’s sworn testimony showing exactly how Trump put this enterprise together, calling it a university, which was a big no-no in NYS. In NY, you have to have accreditation to be considered a university, so he violated state law on that.

But the real issue is that he was using this entire enterprise not to help people, but to help himself to other people’s money. That was the whole point of plunking down upwards of $30,000 to hear a bunch of drones speak on about how you too can make money like Donald Trump in real estate. If you stick around and pay a few more thousands, I’ll tell you one trick that will change your life.

On and on it went, and despite Trump’s claims that the BBB gave it an A+, that was only in one time period, while other time periods showed multiple claims against the venture, before they stopped covering it entirely (and Trump changed the name).

How many people want to admit that they spent their life savings on a scam? Enough, it seems. Because all the latest info about the scam school comes from class action suits.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:55:53am

re: #144 Franklin

So the wife has started listening to country music which I have never been into. What artists can a northeast liberal listen to and not hate himself? I hear Tim McGraw and Garth Brooks are pretty liberal minded. Who else?

She’s more bluegrass than straight Nashville country, but Alison Krauss and Union Station are good.

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Franklin  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:56:11am

Mainly looking for Country artists that are palatable to my sense of respectability. Not, for example, Hank3’s daddy: Hank “Obama is a Muslim” Williams Jr.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 1, 2016 • 5:58:28am

re: #144 Franklin

So the wife has started listening to country music which I have never been into. What artists can a northeast liberal listen to and not hate himself? I hear Tim McGraw and Garth Brooks are pretty liberal minded. Who else?

Pandora.

Plug in country and see where it takes you.

Give songs thumbs up or down.

I listen to the folk rock channel and have been introduced to many new artists that I would have never been exposed to.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:00:03am

re: #122 teleskiguy

I work with someone who got into a brawl with a raccoon that was going after her dog. She had to get some expensive, painful shots and her recommendation is just don’t do it. They are tenacious and vicious fighters, and their claws are no joke. Best to keep your dog clear of them if you can.
And now I will go walk my pups, hopefully not near any raccoons.

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William Lewis  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:00:32am

re: #169 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

She’s more bluegrass than straight Nashville country, but Alison Krauss and Union Station are good.

Bluegrass in general is a) much better musically and b) generally somewhat more liberal than Nashville Industrial Country. I find it far more enjoyable than 99% of modern country.

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:00:55am

re: #158 Dr. Matt

Mika Puppet is in full Trump defense mode today while simultaneously trashing Hillary. Our librul media at work.

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I heard a bit of that. I think this election has damaged Mika beyond all hope. Damn…Joe was hard enough to take…now it is just a total mess. I can’t even do the usual first 20 minutes. And to think…they actually go a full three hours. Do they actually get ratings that show up???

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Franklin  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:02:26am

re: #169 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

She’s more bluegrass than straight Nashville country, but Alison Krauss and Union Station are good.

re: #171 I Would Prefer Not To

Pandora.

Plug in country and see where it takes you.

Give songs thumbs up or down.

I listen to the folk rock channel and have been introduced to many new artists that I would have never been exposed to.

Ha! Plugged in “Bluegrass” to Pandora, and the first song is “Chocktaw Hayride” by Alison Krauss + Union Station :)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:03:56am

re: #175 Franklin

Ha! Plugged in “Bluegrass” to Pandora, and the first song is “Chocktaw Hayride” by Alison Krauss + Union Station :)

That’s a good start. Alison has sung with Bonnie Raitt, another artist you should check out. Charles featured Bonnie here recently

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Dr. Matt  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:04:09am

re: #174 ObserverArt

I heard a bit of that. I think this election has damaged Mika beyond all hope. Damn…Joe was hard enough to take…now it is just a total mess. I can’t even do the usual first 20 minutes. And to think…they actually go a full three hours. Do they actually get ratings that show up???

She’s positioning herself to be a card-carrying wingnut for the next 8 years. We are watching the transformation/train wreck in slow motion.

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:06:27am
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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:06:30am

re: #169 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

She’s more bluegrass than straight Nashville country, but Alison Krauss and Union Station are good.

Ooh, and Gillian Welch.
And while we’re on the subject of female singers, check out Lucinda Williams and Iris Dement

Here she is with John Prine (another to listen to ) singing a fun duet

She don’t like her eggs all runny
She thinks crossin’ her legs is funny
She looks down her nose at money
She gets it on like the Easter Bunny
She’s my baby I’m her honey
I’m never gonna let her go

He ain’t got laid in a month of Sundays
I caught him once and he was sniffin’ my undies
He ain’t too sharp but he gets things done
Drinks his beer like it’s oxygen
He’s my baby
And I’m his honey
Never gonna let him go

John Prine and Iris DeMent - In Spite of Ourselves

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No Depression  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:08:08am

re: #144 Franklin

So the wife has started listening to country music which I have never been into. What artists can a northeast liberal listen to and not hate himself? I hear Tim McGraw and Garth Brooks are pretty liberal minded. Who else?

There’s some good suggestions on the board. I would add the following:

Gram Parsons (Solo, The Byrds album Sweetheart of the Rodeo, Flying Burrito Brothers)
The Eagles
Kris Kristofferson
Waylon Jennings
Tammy Wynette
Uncle Tupelo
Son Volt
Wilco (A.M)

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Teukka  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:12:20am

re: #178 lawhawk

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:13:05am

re: #172 Jebediah, RBG

I work with someone who got into a brawl with a raccoon that was going after her dog. She had to get some expensive, painful shots and her recommendation is just don’t do it. They are tenacious and vicious fighters, and their claws are no joke. Best to keep your dog clear of them if you can.
And now I will go walk my pups, hopefully not near any raccoons.

Where I used to work was a suburb north of Columbus that was really pure farm land a few years earlier. There were all kinds of critters in the area around our building.

One morning in early spring it was still a little dark as the sun was just starting to come up. I was walking from my car and right at the corner of the building where the sidewalk started off the parking lot I came upon momma coon and three babies coming down the sidewalk the other way. I couldn’t see them, they couldn’t see me.

As soon as I came around the corner, momma coon balled up and backed up pushing her young ones into the bushes and hissed at me. Sacred the crap out of me. I side stepped real quick and got past momma and she booked off with the kids as soon as I was past her.

I love them as I think they are smart, cute, etc. But I also know they can be bad asses and I also know a mother of any species will do everything to protect her kids. That sure woke me up for the day.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:14:26am

Some of our big water here in Austin….

Facebook Video

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scottslemmons  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:15:01am

re: #144 Franklin

So the wife has started listening to country music which I have never been into. What artists can a northeast liberal listen to and not hate himself? I hear Tim McGraw and Garth Brooks are pretty liberal minded. Who else?

Seconding many previous recommendations, particularly Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, and the Dixie Chicks, but don’t miss out on the amazing Steve Earle!

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jeffreyw  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:18:23am

Imgur
Good morning!

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:19:46am

re: #144 Franklin

So the wife has started listening to country music which I have never been into. What artists can a northeast liberal listen to and not hate himself? I hear Tim McGraw and Garth Brooks are pretty liberal minded. Who else?

One last thought - speaking as a left coast progressive who takes ‘dirty fucking hippie’ as a compliment from his friends on a regular basis - enjoy the music for what it is. There’s so much good country music out there you shouldn’t have to listen to pop-country crap like Tim & Garth…yeah, they’re catchy tunes but they have no soul. But if you like them (and more importantly if she likes them), then by all means turn it up. But sneak a little Lucinda into the mix and let that gravelly voice of hers tell you a story.

Okay…last one, I promise. I posted this the other day…newish artist - Mary Gauthier - this is what I’m talking about…much better, IMO, than ‘I got friends in low places’…

Mary Gauthier - When a Woman Goes Cold (Live)

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Sir John Barron  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:22:40am

So is this where we’ve come as a nation? That Bill Kristol is his own nominating party?

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:24:19am

Talk about having a bad day…

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:25:18am
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Great White Snark  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:26:20am

Shiplord really scored with the DPRK twitter timeline. Endless unintentional humor.

I owe you a beer should we ever meet Shiplord.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:29:28am

re: #113 Lidane

My surprise, etc. —

COINCIDENCE!!!1 MEDIA SUX!!!!1 SAD!!!1

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:29:57am

If the Democratic party needs to have learned anything from this year’s primaries it would be to have your candidates state publicly and sign a document that you agree to the process as stated.

You must make it clear to all you understand each and every state has different rules and you agree to all of them. You also understand there are Super Delegates ( if they are still a part of it all next go-round) and are fine with them. And the biggie. You cant cry like a jilted preteen when things do not go your way and start complaining about the party rules.

All will be video recorded and it and the signed document will be easily seen by anyone wanting to view it at the DNC web site.

Yeah, I just caught up to some of the Sanders stuff above. Bernie. Bernie. Bernie.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:30:55am

good morning fellow Lizards. Made it back from my vaca to visit family in NY. Had a great time.

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:31:01am

re: #190 Great White Snark

Shiplord really scored with the DPRK twitter timeline. Endless unintentional humor.

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I owe you a beer should we ever meet Shiplord.

I’ve gotta start reading Gizmodo.

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:31:19am

re: #187 Sir John Barron

So is this where we’ve come as a nation? That Bill Kristol is his own nominating party?

Humor him. He has failed everything else. This will be a fail too.

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b.d.  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:37:39am

re: #195 ObserverArt

Humor him. He has failed everything else. This will be a fail too.

This will be a spectacular failure

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:39:16am

Among the more hilarious responses I’ve read over the past few days to my tweets is that Hillary’s policies will be whatever Goldman Sachs says that they should be.

If that’s the case, then Goldman Sachs is a whole lot more progressive than anyone ever could have imagined.

After all, Hillary’s position on the issues includes higher minimum wages, equal rights and protections to minorities, and tighter regulation of Wall Street and corporate oversight.

It’s either that Goldman Sachs is more progressive, Hillary’s doing her own thing, or that Goldman Sachs’ payments for her speeches doesn’t buy her as her detractors always claim.

Of course, anyone with a functioning neuron would know this to be the case, which is why the whole paid speeches kerfuffle is so much fluff.

There’s a universe of difference between a paid appearance at a corporate event (which happens all the time), and actively scamming your customers out of their life savings, which is exactly what Trump did. Don’t see Trump supporters getting their panties in a twist over his scam. Guess they think that getting paid for appearances is a whole lot more important than engaging in a scam/fraud.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:39:57am

re: #195 ObserverArt

Humor him. He has failed everything else. This will be a fail too.

Kristol is just the Baghdad Bob of the Republican party, reporting what party officials hope is true and what they want everyone else to believe.

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:41:28am

This woman was working in Honduras when she contracted Zika. Her child was born with Zika-related microcephaly.

We’re going to see a lot more of this, especially as the disease works its way north into the US among native mosquito populations.

It’s just heartbreaking to hear about these cases.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:42:32am

re: #199 lawhawk

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This woman was working in Honduras when she contracted Zika. Her child was born with Zika-related microcephaly.

We’re going to see a lot more of this, especially as the disease works its way north into the US among native mosquito populations.

It’s just heartbreaking to hear about these cases.

A friend of mine from school who lives in Puerto Rico got Zika, fortunately he got treatment for it and is symptom free.

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Great White Snark  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:42:51am

Have they no consideration for Lizards at all?!

Texas Road Sign Suggests Donald Trump Is A Shape Shifting Lizard

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:47:18am

Guess where the gun came from

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Sir John Barron  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:51:39am
“A defense of hatred.” Have you ever seen a better summation of the deranged American right wing in 2016?

But Obama is “divisive.”

///

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:52:02am

re: #201 Great White Snark

Have they no consideration for Lizards at all?!

Texas Road Sign Suggests Donald Trump Is A Shape Shifting Lizard

Trump turns into the alligator in the Geico commercial when it’s time to pay the bill.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:56:26am

re: #161 Dr. Matt

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Puts his whole “I love the poorly educated!!!!” schtick into perspective.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:56:59am

Good morning Lizards!

Just finished packing and headed to the airport in Toronto shortly (4 hour drive). From there I catch a flight to Remulak France for two weeks vacation. I guess when I get to Switzerland I will post about “feeling the Berne”.

(This is the culmination of my brother and I discussing for three years to visit the place in France where our maternal grandfather got wounded in World War I. Plus visiting other places in the wilds of France and Belgium.)

Stay scaly and keep the place a clean community while I’m gone! ;P

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 6:57:01am

re: #202 The Vicious Babushka

Guess where the gun came from

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Across the river?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:08:14am

re: #207 darthstar

Across the river?

North of the border.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:12:11am

re: #182 ObserverArt

That sure woke me up for the day.

I can believe that!

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:12:53am

re: #208 The Vicious Babushka

North of the border.

Heh…well played.

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:15:08am

This is the GOP nominee. He’s a self-styled predator on the poor, uninformed, and those with limited knowledge.

You know, GOP voters.

I knew that the Trump U lawsuits would be a gold mine of data on Trump’s shenanigans, but this shows just how much of a scam artist he was. He was willing to scam people out of their life savings so he could get incrementally wealthier.

This is a guy whose real estate fortune was inherited, whose chief assets are primarily his name and brand slapped on to buildings built and owned by others, and whose doing everything imaginable to keep his wealth from the tax man (including recategorizing those trademarks so that they can escape domestic taxation).

That last bit is all legal as it falls into tax avoidance, but it shows that Trump’s doing everything imaginable to maintain his wealth while working towards winning the presidency so he can give him and those like him huge tax breaks.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:15:26am

For some reason Safari is not playing well with LGF this morning. Not getting new comments or quotes.

RE: The Brains video down thread, I saw them in Atlanta a couple of times in the early 1980s—great stuff. It was a good time to live there: The Satellites (later Georgia Satellites), Swimming Pool Qs, Arms Akimbo, the Indigo Girls, etc., etc. And then the Athens bands would come to play, too. Peter Buck and Michael Stipe came to my Freshman comp class to talk about “Reckoning.” Saw tons of bands at 688 (that’s where I saw The Brains).Could also go to Midtown to dance with Ru Paul.

Thanks for bringing these sweet memories back…..

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:15:50am

STUPIDEST FALSE EQUIVALENCE OF THE DAY==>

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:19:13am

re: #211 lawhawk

I suspect he’s playing coy with his tax returns, because they would either expose his true income and assets as totaling far less than he brags or reveal how he’s managed to avoid paying as much taxes as he should. Also, they’d reveal how many charitable donations he’s made, which I suspect are a mere pittance compared to some other billionaires’.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:19:59am

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST FALSE EQUIVALENCE OF THE DAY==>

“Hey folks, watch this: I suddenly care about the lives of minorities!”

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:24:39am

re: #214 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That’s something I have said before as well. It would probably reveal that he’s cash poor, and all of his wealth is tied up in real estate, which makes sense since that’s what he inherited from his dad and where he makes his money.

Most of his wealth comes from trademarking his name and slapping it on to projects built by others. He then spends a lot of time trying to minimize his tax burdens while bragging he’s a billionaire.

Those tax returns would likely reveal he’s not generating the kind of income and wealth he claims, and that he’s certainly not the kind of philanthropist he says he is.

That he only sent checks after the WaPo came out identifying that the vets groups didn’t get money promised back in January shows that he’s playing the con on everyone he engages with.

Even the GOP and RNC, as he admits that he’s not going to have enough money on his own to run the ground game. That means that he’s going to be relying on donors to get to the White House. Certainly, he’s not the independently wealthy candidate who isn’t beholden to corporate interests as he has long claimed.

The only interests he’s caring about are his own bottom line.

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:29:16am

Once more into the breach. And Bernie again disrespects the President, who has done more to expand access to health care than anyone since LBJ. Curious how that happened. That’s not some mere oversight.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:31:38am

Today was my day off — a real day off, with no teaching preparation time or visits to neighboring schools in the way. Plus, it was sunny and hot — perfect for putting out bed covers for airing out before I pack the duvets away for the summer. I baked a loaf of bread. And I installed Ubuntu on a desktop computer and got Ubuntu and the AMD Radeon card therein to work nice with each other. After I fumbled around most of the day making mistakes installing the AMD proprietary drivers, and eventually succeeding, I stumbled upon a stack that told me exactly how to do it, step by step. Figures.

I haven’t messed with Ubuntu since version 10. I started with the latest version, 16.04, but then discovered that AMD’s current Radeon drivers don’t work with v.16.04. But they work just great with v.12.04, so that’s what I settled on.

Why Ubuntu? The desktop is a hand-me-down and it had XP installed. And, naturally, XP is incompatible with the Radeon R9 370X card I bought second hand, thinking I’d get into gaming again.

Computers iz fun — when they work right.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:33:32am

re: #216 lawhawk

Trump and Sanders are alike in their reluctance to release their tax returns. Trump is plain dishonest. I dunno why Sanders is being so coy.

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:34:50am

re: #212 Barefoot Grin

For some reason Safari is not playing well with LGF this morning. Not getting new comments or quotes.

RE: The Brains video down thread, I saw them in Atlanta a couple of times in the early 1980s—great stuff. It was a good time to live there: The Satellites (later Georgia Satellites), Swimming Pool Qs, Arms Akimbo, the Indigo Girls, etc., etc. And then the Athens bands would come to play, too. Peter Buck and Michael Stipe came to my Freshman comp class to talk about “Reckoning.” Saw tons of bands at 688 (that’s where I saw The Brains).Could also go to Midtown to dance with Ru Paul.

Thanks for bringing these sweet memories back…..

I had some issues earlier. Maybe Charles is under the hood and installing a new nitrous injection system to boost this sucker a bit more!

But I am using Chrome and it seems to have days.

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No Depression  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:36:49am

re: #219 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Trump and Sanders are alike in their reluctance to release their tax returns. Trump is plain dishonest. I dunno why Sanders is being so coy.

I’m very sure there’s something in there that would reveal him to be a hypocrite.

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Lidane  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:39:08am

More than half of Fortune 500 CEOs say they would prefer that Hillary Clinton win the White House instead of Donald Trump, according to a new survey.

Fifty-eight percent of the CEOs said they would support Clinton, the front-runner for the Democratic nomination, while 42 percent would support Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, according to a survey conducted last month by Fortune and released on Wednesday.

“Big company CEOs tend to lean heavily Republican,” the survey said.
“But most of the 500 operate on a global scale, and many disagree with Trump’s proposals for raising trade barriers. Some also have been rattled by his stance on immigration, or by his comments showing little understanding of public finance.”

The survey, which was sent to all Fortune 500 CEOs, asked which candidate they would favor most as next president and gave the two leading candidates as the only options.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:40:10am

re: #220 ObserverArt

I had some issues earlier. Maybe Charles is under the hood and installing a new nitrous injection system to boost this sucker a bit more!

But I am using Chrome and it seems to have days.

I don’t usually use spy mode, but I switched and it is working well.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:41:21am

re: #218 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Today was my day off — a real day off, with no teaching preparation time or visits to neighboring schools in the way. Plus, it was sunny and hot — perfect for putting out bed covers for airing out before I pack the duvets away for the summer. I baked a loaf of bread. And I installed Ubuntu on a desktop computer and got Ubuntu and the AMD Radeon card therein to work nice with each other. After I fumbled around most of the day making mistakes installing the AMD proprietary drivers, and eventually succeeding, I stumbled upon a stack that told me exactly how to do it, step by step. Figures.

I haven’t messed with Ubuntu since version 10. I started with the latest version, 16.04, but then discovered that AMD’s current Radeon drivers don’t work with v.16.04. But they work just great with v.12.04, so that’s what I settled on.

Why Ubuntu? The desktop is a hand-me-down and it had XP installed. And, naturally, XP is incompatible with the Radeon R9 370X card I bought second hand, thinking I’d get into gaming again.

Computers iz fun — when they work right.

I prefer Linux Mint because the default desktop is closer to XP.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:42:55am

This just in!

EgyptAir crash: Black box signal detected by search teams
bbc.com

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:44:00am

re: #225 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

This just in!

EgyptAir crash: Black box signal detected by search teams
bbc.com

I know it’s silly, but I really want Trump to be wrong about the cause of the crash.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:44:10am

re: #222 Lidane

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Why can I see the BBs making this as proof that clinton is no better than Trump rather than what the more sensible response will be.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:44:12am

re: #224 Belafon

I prefer Linux Mint because the default desktop is closer to XP.

I’ve used Ubuntu off and on since version 7, and I’m used to its quirks.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:44:38am

re: #222 Lidane

“But most of the 500 operate on a global scale, and many disagree with Trump’s proposals for raising trade barriers. Some also have been rattled by his stance on immigration, or by his comments showing little understanding of public finance.”

I don’t expect it from Darth, but I wonder how many people will see “Fortune 500 CEOs support Clinton” and stop reading before making it to the part where it says why. I would suspect that the positions stated would make sense to most people.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:45:09am

re: #221 No Depression

I’m very sure there’s something in there that would reveal him to be a hypocrite.

I have no how true it is but there are rumors about his wife. I don’t know but I do think it’s telling that he hasn’t released his.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:45:17am

re: #226 I Would Prefer Not To

I know it’s silly, but I really want Trump to be wrong about the cause of the crash.

His followers will reject the evidence and believe Il Duce’s words.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:46:55am

re: #229 Belafon

Putting it mildly, a crazy person in the White House would be bad for business. CEOs may not be fond of HRC, but she’d be more rational and open to compromise than Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:46:59am

re: #229 Belafon

I don’t expect it from Darth, but I wonder how many people will see “Fortune 500 CEOs support Clinton” before making it to the part where it says why. I would suspect that the positions stated would make sense to most people.

I totally expect it from some of the types I know. I think a lot of lefty types don’t realize that the business world isn’t the right wing caricature they make it out to be. And honestly I think a lot of these businessmen and women even if they’re only it for profit see that Trump is bad for business.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:47:29am

re: #232 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Putting it mildly, a crazy person in the White House would be bad for business. CEOs may not be fond of HRC, but she’d be more rational and open to compromise than Trump.

Exactly.

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:47:30am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:47:35am

re: #223 Barefoot Grin

I don’t usually use spy mode, but I switched and it is working well.

spy mode is how I roll.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:51:06am

What I think: dailykos.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:51:44am

re: #217 lawhawk

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Once more into the breach. And Bernie again disrespects the President, who has done more to expand access to health care than anyone since LBJ. Curious how that happened. That’s not some mere oversight.

As someone who now can’t get denied coverage to a pre-existing condition thanks to ACA, Bernie can really fuck off with that. And honestly Bernie would be ripping FDR, HST, and LBJ if he were in office then.

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No Depression  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:53:01am

This is not a joke. I repeat, this is not a joke.

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withak  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:54:21am

re: #190 Great White Snark

Shiplord really scored with the DPRK twitter timeline. Endless unintentional humor.

[Embedded content]

I owe you a beer should we ever meet Shiplord.

It’s a great follow, but it’s definitely intentional humor. It’s a parody account run by Ken of @Popehat.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:56:31am

I peeked at Rage Furby’s blog. He’s going after Judge Curiel, since Trump has, and finds that the judge is sympathetic toward immigrants. Que lástima! Of course, the Trump U case doesn’t involve immigration, but that won’t keep Chuck from trying to discredit the judge somehow.

Also, he claims that Kristol planned to start a third party all along.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 1, 2016 • 7:58:24am

I’m beat. I got up early to get what needed to be done today, and now I’m too sleepy to hang out on the Intertubes. So, I bid you all a fond adieu.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:00:09am

re: #239 No Depression

This is not a joke. I repeat, this is not a joke.

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Yeah I’m glad he’s not going to be President with that kind of attitude. Dude RS is about as friendly as you’re going to get and you act like that over their questions? God do I not want you in a room with Ryan and McConnell or foreign diplomats.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:00:31am

Morning, folks. Recovering from my fifty-sixth revolution around the sun yesterday.

Much rum.

Much more rum.

Then I had some rum.

Strangely, I have a headache. Perhaps I could fix that with aspirin (or rum).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:01:22am

re: #241 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I peeked at Rage Furby’s blog. He’s going after Judge Curiel, since Trump has, and finds that the judge is sympathetic toward immigrants. Que lástima! Of course, the Trump U case doesn’t involve immigration, but that won’t keep Chuck from trying to discredit the judge somehow.

Also, he claims that Kristol planned to start a third party all along.

I like how the judge is called a “Mexican” by these assholes. He’s from Indiana. And being sympathetic to immigration? Shit may as well call me one even though my last direct ancestor emigrated 66 years before my birth.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:02:28am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

I like how the judge is called a “Mexican” by these assholes. He’s from Indiana. And being sympathetic to immigration? Shit may as well call me one even though my last direct ancestor emigrated 66 years before my birth.

Trump said it, they believe it, that’s all they need to know. He’s the bloody Messiah.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:03:09am

re: #246 Anymouse

Trump said it, they believe it, that’s all they need to know. He’s the bloody Messiah.

Yep.

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Jenner7  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:03:13am

re: #220 ObserverArt

The sign in button wasn’t working for me. I had to go into thread and sign in at the bottom.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:06:26am

To my (few, thank the IPU) friends that support Mr. Trump, I sent along the report that Mr. Trump was given a favourable op-ed by the North Korean press.

Between supporters from the Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazis, folk like France’s National Front and Vladimir Putin, and now the DPRK, he does seem to have a real stable of liberty-loving folk in his corner.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:07:08am

George W Bush was sympathetic to immigrants and immigration and he was the ultimate blue blood President.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:08:05am
I can’t even start to list all the batshit crazy stuff this guy (French) has posted online. He’s homophobic, xenophobic, against contraception and women’s rights, etc. etc. He’s an enthusiastic endorser of the full right wing slate of regressive policies.

Bill Kristol must have had to work pretty hard, scrounging around wingnut think tanks and publications to come up with such a resume.

//

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:08:22am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

George W Bush was sympathetic to immigrants and immigration and he was the ultimate blue blood President.

GW doesn’t seem to exist amongst the right wing. Everything good during his administration is attributed to Ronald Reagan and everything bad to Barack Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:09:01am

re: #252 Anymouse

GW doesn’t seem to exist amongst the right wing. Everything good during his administration is attributed to Ronald Reagan and everything bad to Barack Obama.

Heh that’s true.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:09:28am

re: #244 Anymouse

Happy YesterDAY

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Dr. Matt  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:09:35am

re: #252 Anymouse

GW doesn’t seem to exist amongst the right wing. Everything good during his administration is attributed to Ronald Reagan and everything bad to Barack Obama.

In RWNJ world, everything good that has occurred under this administration is attributed to dubyah or Ronny.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:09:44am

re: #251 Sir John Barron

Bill Kristol must have had to work pretty hard, scrounging around wingnut think tanks and publications to come up with such a resume.

//

If Mitt had binders full of women, Billy has dust bins full of reactionary assholes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:10:26am

re: #255 Dr. Matt

In RWNJ world, everything good that has occurred under this administration is attributed to dubyah or Ronny.

They still do like going to GWB when they post their stupid memes on how a President ought to “look” and “act.”

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:10:46am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

I like how the judge is called a “Mexican” by these assholes. He’s from Indiana. And being sympathetic to immigration? Shit may as well call me one even though my last direct ancestor emigrated 66 years before my birth.

Mexico, Indiana

Mexico is a census-designated place (CDP) in Miami County, Indiana, United States. The population was 836 at the 2010 census.

History
Mexico was platted in 1834.The community’s name probably commemorates the Mexican War of Independence.A post office has been in operation at Mexico since 1837.

There is a much larger (pop. 11,543) Mexico in Missouri. Among science fiction fandom it is known as the birthplace of the prolific and innovative writer Philip José Farmer.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:11:04am

re: #256 HappyWarrior

If Mitt had binders full of women, Billy has dust bins full of reactionary assholes.

Ah, David French, the hub of the woman who ghost-writes Bristol Palin’s blog. We are seeing the convergence of the wingnuttosphere.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:11:12am

re: #188 darthstar

Talk about having a bad day…

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You know, Henry Kissinger is on her board of directors. That should have been a tip-off right there that something was off.

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withak  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:12:31am

re: #244 Anymouse

Reposted from downstairs:

Credit to Jaunte.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:15:09am

re: #258 Shiplord Kirel

Mexico, Indiana

There is a much larger (pop. 11,543) Mexico in Missouri. Among science fiction fandom it is known as the birthplace of the prolific and innovative writer Philip José Farmer.

Heh what do ya know.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:16:14am

Universal Life Church notes that The Stranger brought back its Youth Pastor Watch (detailing pastors molesting children). It also brings in statistics on transgender persons doing this (zero).

themonastery.org

They note the average number of reports of youth pastors is about three per week.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:17:50am

re: #259 Anymouse

Ah, David French, the hub of the woman who ghost-writes Bristol Palin’s blog. We are seeing the convergence of the wingnuttosphere.

It really amuses me how they really want to prove my hypothesis correct that their only real problem with Trump is that he doesn’t know how to speak the religious right’s rhetoric naturally.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:18:38am

Reply Button, Quote Button, and New Comment buttons not working for me.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:18:48am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

They still do like going to GWB when they post their stupid memes on how a President ought to “look” and “act.”

And yet they support Trump who is nothing but a belligerent asshole.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:19:20am

re: #258 Shiplord Kirel

Mexico, Indiana

There is a much larger (pop. 11,543) Mexico in Missouri. Among science fiction fandom it is known as the birthplace of the prolific and innovative writer Philip José Farmer.

Mexico Beach is in the Florida panhandle, just off Tyndall AFB.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:20:13am

On toddlers versus Muslim terrorists, ULC notes:

You may counter that the number of people killed by Islamic terrorists on a global level dwarfs the number of people shot and killed by toddlers. This may be true, but ask yourself: if we cannot stop toddlers from gaining access to deadly weapons, what chance do we have of stopping terrorists? We are so irresponsibly gun happy in this country, that kids who can’t even read or write have shot and killed people. Maybe we should take a look at our gun laws before encouraging needless Islamic paranoia.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:20:26am

re: #239 No Depression

This is not a joke. I repeat, this is not a joke.

Found a place where I could get to my phone so I could read this. I know Sanders thinks he’s running a revolutionary campaign as a socialist near the front of a party primary, but he’s got his facts a bit wrong. He’s not running as a socialist, he’s running as a Democrat. He’s not had to answer to being a socialist to get where he’s at. He’s not even had to say Independent.

And that would be a real problem for him if he were to become the nominee. His revolution hasn’t been battle hardened. He hasn’t been challenged on how his ideas would work in the US. When he was asked about the failures of socialism in South America, he avoided the question.

So no, as much as he might think, his campaign isn’t revolutionary. It’s just a campaign.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:20:34am

re: #266 Dr. Matt

And yet they support Trump who is nothing but a belligerent asshole.

Seriously. You say President and Mrs. Obama don’t show any dignity and you support the guy who equates his womanizing to military service in Vietnam/

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:22:23am

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Seriously. You say President and Mrs. Obama don’t show any dignity and you support the guy who equates his womanizing to military service in Vietnam/

Yeah, my father died there when I was seven and Donald Trump was comparing his VD was the equivalent of Vietnam service. He is an ass.

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retired cynic  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:23:07am

re: #239 No Depression

This is not a joke. I repeat, this is not a joke.

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Truly?????

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Decatur Deb  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:23:13am

re: #263 Anymouse

Universal Life Church notes that The Stranger brought back its Youth Pastor Watch (detailing pastors molesting children). It also brings in statistics on transgender persons doing this (zero).

themonastery.org

Two of my sons are ministers—one with Universal Life, one with the Church of the Latter-Day Dude. The Dudist actually officiated at a legal gay marriage in Montgomery a month or so ago. Chief Justice Roy Moore was not amused.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:23:39am

re: #268 Anymouse

On toddlers versus Muslim terrorists, The Stranger notes:

I had to point out to my friend, big 2A guy that a lot of the “terrible” gun control measures Obama supports are things that he does i.e. background checks and keeping them out of the hands of people who shouldn’t have them and that Obama is far from a radical gun grabber at all and actually expanded gun rights. We don’t get anything passed on gun contorl because the gun lobby is filled with gun humping psychopaths like Wayne LaPierre who would rather children die than have sensible legislation on the issue.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:24:47am

re: #273 Decatur Deb

Two of my sons are ministers—one with Universal Life, one with the Church of the Latter-Day Dude. The Dudist actually officiated at a legal gay marriage in Montgomery a month or so ago. Chief Justice Roy Moore was not amused.

When Obergefell was handed down, my wife updated her ULC credentials and enquired from the county attorney what Nebraska’s stance of ULC ministers officiating weddings. He enquired from the state attorney, who called my wife back and said “that’s fine with us.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:24:53am

re: #271 Anymouse

Yeah, my father died there when I was seven and Donald Trump was comparing his VD was the equivalent of Vietnam service. He is an ass.

Damn, I had no idea about your dad. Really that was just pathetic. Honestly, I’ve seen a lot of genuine warmth towards our veterans by President Obama. His grandfather who he was close with was one, something I relate to given my grandfather.

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:25:09am

re: #229 Belafon

I don’t expect it from Darth, but I wonder how many people will see “Fortune 500 CEOs support Clinton” and stop reading before making it to the part where it says why. I would suspect that the positions stated would make sense to most people.

ONLY ONE OF THESE CANDIDATES HAS PROMISED TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
But I do appreciate the vote of confidence. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:25:14am

BATON ROUGE, La. —Gov. John Bel Edwards has signed a ban on the second-trimester abortion procedure called dilation and evacuation, making Louisiana the sixth state to prohibit the commonly used method.

The procedure, known as D&E, will only be allowed if necessary to prevent serious health risk to the mother when the ban takes effect Aug. 1.

snip

Anti-abortion groups describe the procedure as a “dismemberment abortion” and call it inhumane.

Opponents have said that the description isn’t medically accurate. They said the bill criminalizes the safest method of second-trimester abortion, leaving women at risk when they seek an alternative.

*sigh*

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Decatur Deb  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:26:54am

re: #275 Anymouse

When Obergefell was handed down, my wife updated her ULC credentials and enquired from the county attorney what Nebraska’s stance of ULC ministers officiating weddings. He enquired from the state attorney, who called my wife back and said “that’s fine with us.”

Actually thought ULC went silent decades ago. Kid joined for the snark, well after the tax dodge had been scuttled.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:28:27am

Somebody is taking all the Sharpwriter illustrations of the Presidents on deviantart and photoshopping Donald Trump’s face on them.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:29:57am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Damn, I had no idea about your dad. Really that was just pathetic. Honestly, I’ve seen a lot of genuine warmth towards our veterans by President Obama. His grandfather who he was close with was one, something I relate to given my grandfather.

I don’t talk about it a lot. That is why my avatar is a Gold Star Family pin. However at the next village board meeting, I intend on going on blast about the man invited to speak at the remembrance ceremony here in town (he went on everything from liberals are out to take your guns and shut down a free press to bathroom panic).

I then intend to read the speech I would have given about Memorial Day if they had invited a local veteran (me) rather than the wingnut from the county seat.

Our town has never been much larger than it is now, but as you look across this field there are over a hundred flags fluttering on the breeze.

This cemetery represents a history of the nation’s combats, from the Civil War to the Persian Gulf War. As you move from north to south and up Rose Hill, you start with flag stands for the Grand Army of the Republic.

All of these men and women gave some, some of them gave all. Those who came home from battle became farmers, ranchers, business owners, husbands, wives, and parents.

Those who did not come home left behind families and friends who forever are without them; for them the war is not over and never will be.

If you have some time today after this remembrance ceremony, I encourage you to walk through the cemetery, and reflect on those of our village who answered the call to service. Reflect on their sacrifices and those of their families. Reflect on the meaning of Memorial Day, and the fervent hope that when our nation goes to war, we send our men and women forth in a just cause. Those buried here deserve nothing less.

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:30:02am

Reason #2 why Hillary needs to run on Obama’s record and not just play name-games with Trump. She should leave attacking him to her surrogates and go positive. Talk about what Democrats have accomplished and what Americans can look forward to if they keep them in office.

Or trust that “Dangerous Donald” is a winning strategy.

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CleverToad  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:32:20am

re: #244 Anymouse

Morning, folks. Recovering from my fifty-sixth revolution around the sun yesterday.

Much rum.

Much more rum.

Then I had some rum.

Strangely, I have a headache. Perhaps I could fix that with aspirin (or rum).

Wash down the aspirin with the rum?
Happy revolution, in any case — hope the celebrations wear off soon.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:32:45am

re: #282 darthstar

Reason #2 why Hillary needs to run on Obama’s record and not just play name-games with Trump. She should leave attacking him to her surrogates and go positive. Talk about what Democrats have accomplished and what Americans can look forward to if they keep them in office.

Or trust that “Dangerous Donald” is a winning strategy.

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That’s the skewed stock market. The patriotic stock market has been trading in the 500 range for 7 years.

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:34:38am

re: #284 Decatur Deb

That’s the skewed stock market. The patriotic stock market has been trading in the 500 range for 7 years.

Even people who bought gold in 2008 are doing better…though not as well as they would have if they’d stayed in the stock market.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:35:09am

It’s 50% in my holler.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:36:00am

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s 50% in my holler.

No wonder you get so many tornadoes.
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Nyet  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:36:41am

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

The equivalence is idiotic, but so is the point Kohn is straining to make.

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:37:06am

re: #282 darthstar

Trump caters to the low information/no information voter who has known only what FauxNews and media reports have stated that the economy remains in free fall. They ignore that Wall Street is on solid ground compared to 8 years ago, and that the economy continues growing, albeit slowly.

One problem is that there are some regions that aren’t seeing economic growth, let alone recovery. That includes places like coal country. It also includes the boom/bust areas like Wyoming and the Dakotas and even Texas and Oklahoma, who tied their fortunes to the oil/fracking boom, and the oil price bust has meant that oil prices have dropped (good for consumers), but bad for states, which rely on those tax revenues, and it’s also bad for the producers, since they don’t have incentive to explore or exploit those wells, so they lay off staff since the economics of producing fracked oil/gas works only when oil prices are sustained at a high price per barrel.

That doesn’t fit on a bumper sticker, let alone twitter, so Trump simply states the economy sucks and he’ll fix it.

Saying that the economy is doing well is factual but requires nuance.

Do voters want nuance?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:38:45am

re: #281 Anymouse

I don’t talk about it a lot. That is why my avatar is a Gold Star Family pin. However at the next village board meeting, I intend on going on blast about the man invited to speak at the remembrance ceremony here in town (he went on everything from liberals are out to take your guns and shut down a free press to bathroom panic).

I then intend to read the speech I would have given about Memorial Day if they had invited a local veteran (me) rather than the wingnut from the county seat.

I don’t blame you. It always amazes me when wingnuts act shocked when they find out that not only are there liberal veterans such as yourself but that many of us non veteran liberals respect the hell out of veterans. My grandfather, a Korean War vet died when I was around the same age he was when he got deployed there and I could not imagine myself doing what he did. I’ve also always been proud that I had a relative fight for the Union in the Civil War. Even did some other research that showed that a distant uncle fought in the War of 1812.

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:39:41am

re: #229 Belafon

I don’t expect it from Darth, but I wonder how many people will see “Fortune 500 CEOs support Clinton” and stop reading before making it to the part where it says why. I would suspect that the positions stated would make sense to most people.

Some people are just too far gone now, nothing will bring them to reason.

Pray for their souls.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:40:40am

re: #281 Anymouse

Excellent speech. Well done!

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:41:57am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:42:55am

I’d also like to mention that liberals were the ones who championed the GI Bill. The conservatives of the day were either opposed to the legislation or had to be coaxed into supporting it. Honestly, I think that’s a strike on conservatism’s credibility. The GI Bill allowed millions of American veterans access to better educations that they otherwise would not have had. It pushed our 1950’s boom. Big government isn’t the problem. A government that invests and believes in its people is not only good governance, it’s smart governance.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:43:36am

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

Excellent speech. Well done!

Thanks. I wrote it (after I calmed down from the remembrance service at the cemetery). I will present it at the village board meeting next Monday (not as a village trustee, but during the citizen’s business portion of the agenda).

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:43:48am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

I’d also like to mention that liberals were the ones who championed the GI Bill. The conservatives of the day were either opposed to the legislation or had to be coaxed into supporting it. Honestly, I think that’s a strike on conservatism’s credibility. The GI Bill allowed millions of American veterans access to better educations that they otherwise would not have had. It pushed our 1950’s boom. Big government isn’t the problem. A government that invests and believes in its people is not only good governance, it’s smart governance.

And by coaxing you mean “setting it up so that Southern states could keep black veterans from receiving the benefits.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:43:52am

Researchers from Museum of London Archaeology uncovered more than 400 wooden tablets during excavations in London’s financial district for the new headquarters of media and data company Bloomberg.

So far, 87 have been deciphered, including one addressed “in London, to Mogontius” and dated to A.D. 65-80 — the earliest written reference to the city, which the Romans called Londinium.

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The documents show that only a few years after it was established, London was already a thriving town of merchants and traders. The records include references to beer deliveries, food orders and legal rulings.

One tablet carries the date Jan. 8, A.D. 57, making it Britain’s earliest dated hand-written document. Fittingly for a city that is now the world’s commercial capital, it’s about money — an ancient IOU in which one freed slave promises to repay another “105 denarii from the price of the merchandise which has been sold and delivered.”

“beer deliveries”…I love that!

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:44:21am

re: #239 No Depression

This is not a joke. I repeat, this is not a joke.

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I can no longer shake my head at Bernieisms. I think I pulled some muscles over the last month and I need to find new outlets.

I have been playing my drums a lot more…so, that’s good.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:46:07am
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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:46:37am

re: #248 Jenner7

The sign in button wasn’t working for me. I had to go into thread and sign in at the bottom.

Ahhhh…so I was not the only one. That happened to me too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:47:21am

re: #296 Belafon

And by coaxing you mean “setting it up so that Southern states could keep black veterans from receiving the benefits.”

Right, anyhow that speaks to another thing but with the exception of the right wing fringe in the 60’s, most Americans were fine with a welfare state but the second that the liberals of that era started proposing that everyone i.e. African-Americans and other minorities share in some of those same benefits, that’s when we started hearing “We need to curtail big government.”

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:50:50am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

snip

“beer deliveries”…I love that!

Interesting. I’m curious about the date: Jan. 8, A.D. 57. We’re westerners using AD by then?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:51:52am

wow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:52:50am

re: #302 Belafon

Interesting. I’m curious about the date: Jan. 8, A.D. 57. We’re westerners using AD by then?

It’s probably a translation used by the researchers.

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Jay C  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:54:32am

re: #302 Belafon

Interesting. I’m curious about the date: Jan. 8, A.D. 57. We’re westerners using AD by then?

No. That wooden note was dated ( AFA the BBC said) by the Roman dating system: “six days from the Ides Of January, in the consulatships of Wossname and So-and-So”. The AD dating didn’t come into use until the early Sixth Century (AD or CE)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:55:49am

You can’t escape history. It’s everywhere.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:55:53am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #305 Jay C

Thanks.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:56:32am

re: #306 HappyWarrior

You can’t escape history. It’s everywhere.

Get it off!! Get it off!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:56:36am

re: #305 Jay C

No. That wooden note was dated ( AFA the BBC said) by the Roman dating system: “six days from the Ides Of January, in the consulatships of Wossname and So-and-So”. The AD dating didn’t come into use until the early Sixth Century (AD or CE)

“Was 1 a good year?” - Pseudolus, “A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum”

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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:56:52am

re: #282 darthstar

Reason #2 why Hillary needs to run on Obama’s record and not just play name-games with Trump. She should leave attacking him to her surrogates and go positive. Talk about what Democrats have accomplished and what Americans can look forward to if they keep them in office.

Or trust that “Dangerous Donald” is a winning strategy.

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Why would you assume that she’s only capable of doing one or the other?

Once again, five seconds of Googling reveals that she’s already standing up for Obama’s record.

And please drop the ‘Dangerous Donald’ thing. She has.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 1, 2016 • 8:57:27am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

Curtiss Stauffer of KHHC: 34% of KY households are renters, and 25% of these renters pay more than 50% of their monthly incomes on rent.
— Joe Sonka

I wonder how this compares to other states?

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Lidane  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:03:09am

This is excellent news for Republicans!

This is not a small issue. Data is the lifeblood of politics, and firms use the larger data trends in order to target voters in their client districts. They also rent the mailing lists of different candidates so they can reach out to voters directly. The idea of a presidential campaign not collecting its own data, and downplaying its importance is huge. It’s going to affect marketing on the GOP side through the next election cycle.

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ChuckJager95  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:07:38am

To add to country music discussion up top:

John Prine -Your Flag Decal Won’t Get You Into Heaven Anymore

Other good singers/bands that might not have been mentioned are Justin Townes Earl, Bobby Bare Jr, Jessica Lea Mayfield, Drive By Truckers, Margo Price.

Bluegrass wise I recommend .357 String Band, Devil Makes 3, Jayke Orvis, Old Crow Medicine Show.

There’s a lot of good music out there, it’s a shame you won’t hear it on the radio… which I guess is pretty much true of any genre.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:07:39am

re: #312 Lidane

I seem to recall that the Romney campaign also did not have a grasp on how to utilize data analytics effectively. In fact, they did it completely wrong.

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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:08:59am

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

I seem to recall that the Romney campaign also did not have a grasp on how to utilize data analytics effectively. In fact, they did it completely wrong.

Trump’s campaign is about to make them look like geniuses in comparison.

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Lidane  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:09:08am

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

I seem to recall that the Romney campaign also did not have a grasp on how to utilize data analytics effectively. In fact, they did it completely wrong.

And now the GOP has Trump, who doesn’t seem to trust data at all. Fun times.

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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:11:27am

Everybody’s forgetting the incredible Steve Earle.

Steve Earle - Copperhead Road

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CuriousLurker  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:16:25am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s probably a translation used by the researchers.

You must be right:

Keeping Time: The Origin of B.C. & A.D.

In the early Middle Ages, the most important calculation, and thus one of the main motivations for the European study of mathematics, was the problem of when to celebrate Easter. The First Council of Nicaea, in A.D. 325, had decided that Easter would fall on the Sunday following the full moon that follows the spring equinox. Computus (Latin for computation) was the procedure for calculating this most important date, and the computations were set forth in documents known as Easter tables. It was on one such table that, in A.D. 525, a monk named Dionysius Exiguus of Scythia Minor introduced the A.D. system, counting the years since the birth of Christ.

livescience.com

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:18:23am

My wife is taking me out today for a belated birthday dinner.

Perhaps I can get more rum with that (then she can drive home).

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:19:34am

re: #310 makeitstop

Take a look at her time line. She’s all Trump, all the time. There are three exceptions - one is a cute video of two shirtless bros at her rally, one is the endorsement from Jerry Brown, and the other is an RT of something called “The Cut”….the first nine tweets on her page are all about Trump.

I can only assume some intern is following orders here to trash Trump as much as possible, but of the first 20 or so tweets there’s only one where she talks about doing something for Vets…followed by this David Letterman knock-off thing (of which there are several):

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Jay C  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:20:10am

re: #300 ObserverArt

Ahhhh…so I was not the only one. That happened to me too.

Moi aussi, just a few minutes ago.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:21:38am

Baby Whiplash is in love this raving wingnut!

He’s a Harvard Law graduate with a history of Constitutional litigation. This is better than Hillary Clinton, who thinks the Constitution mandates the corporations be stripped of their speech writes[sic!] and that women be given the unlimited capacity to kill their children in the womb.

And David French is a guy who thinks not only abortion but all forms of birth control should be outlawed.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:23:11am

re: #322 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is in love this raving wingnut!

And David French is a guy who thinks not only abortion but all forms of birth control should be outlawed.

Then I’m going to have to thank Kristol for saving Shapiro from having to support Trump.

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retired cynic  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:30:09am

Rude doesn’t hold back on that “news conference” yesterday:

rudepundit.blogspot.com

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:30:41am

re: #323 Belafon

Then I’m going to have to thank Kristol for saving Shapiro from having to support Trump.

Mr. Kristol supporting anyone seems to be their death knell.

This ought to be good news for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:31:38am
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Jenner7  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:33:02am

re: #320 darthstar

Wow, going after your opponent. What a novel idea.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:33:54am

DUBLIN, Ohio (AP) - Donald Trump is losing business to Mexico - a prestigious golf tournament at his resort at Doral.

The tournament chairman of the former Cadillac Championship, one of the four World Golf Championships that attract the best players in the world, said the PGA Tour has informed him the event is leaving next year for Mexico City.

Trump said as much Tuesday night in a Fox News interview with Sean Hannity. The presumptive Republican nominee said he had just heard the PGA Tour was taking the tournament out of the Miami area.

“They’re moving it to Mexico City, which, by the way, I hope they have kidnapping insurance,” Trump added.

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CleverToad  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:35:22am

re: #312 Lidane

This is excellent news for Republicans!

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This is not a small issue. Data is the lifeblood of politics, and firms use the larger data trends in order to target voters in their client districts. They also rent the mailing lists of different candidates so they can reach out to voters directly. The idea of a presidential campaign not collecting its own data, and downplaying its importance is huge. It’s going to affect marketing on the GOP side through the next election cycle.

Donald’s probably accurate in thinking he doesn’t need to spend any of his own money on gathering or analyzing data. The media provides him with free airtime, the RNC will pick up the tab for data gathering, and the Kochs will fund the state-level candidates. The RNC will collect the data anyway, but I certainly hope the front-runner’s attitude will damage everyone farther down the ‘R’ side of the ticket.

I was out last night doing my small bit for the ‘D’ side, entering data from the county Dems’ early phone-banking. Will see if our side’s dedication to data will pay off in votes in this purple Denver suburb — hoping to keep Michael Bennett and get rid of Mike Coffman.
Got a bit of third-hand gossip at the phone bank — one of the volunteers said she had a friend in New York who used to go to the same beauty salon as Donald Jr’s mother. Said friend had a few conversations with Mrs. Trump, who reportedly called her son ‘an arrogant fool.’ (She was his mother, after all, she had to keep it polite.) Would be interesting to see one of the PACs run quotes on record from people who’ve known and had to deal with him over the years. A couple of Tweets every day, so that he’s up till all hours trying to fire back.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:37:34am

re: #324 retired cynic

Rude doesn’t hold back on that “news conference” yesterday:

rudepundit.blogspot.com

Daymn. Left, right, uppercut.

Okay so-called liberal media, ball’s in your court.

I can imagine Governor Granholm as the DNC chair (after the election).

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:40:28am

re: #327 Jenner7

Wow, going after your opponent. What a novel idea.

That’s fine, but throw a little promise in there too…I want to vote for someone, not against someone.

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Skip Intro  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:40:50am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

He just can’t help being a complete ass, all the time, can he?

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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:41:03am

re: #320 darthstar

Take a look at her time line. She’s all Drumpf, all the time. There are three exceptions - one is a cute video of two shirtless bros at her rally, one is the endorsement from Jerry Brown, and the other is an RT of something called “The Cut”….the first nine tweets on her page are all about Drumpf.

I can only assume some intern is following orders here to trash Drumpf as much as possible, but of the first 20 or so tweets there’s only one where she talks about doing something for Vets…followed by this David Letterman knock-off thing (of which there are several):

I see nothing at all wrong with her going at Trump via Twitter. Why does it bother you so much?

Do you think she’s doing the same in her stump speeches - that she’s out there reeling off one-liners about Trump’s hair? Guess what - she’s not.

May 31: Helping Military families

May 27: “Describing the purpose of the meeting she said, “I want to know how the federal government and me, particularly, can be a better partner. I want to be a champion for Oakland and all the other Oaklands in the country.” The group discussed a number of topics from wages, jobs, urban policy, and urban renewal. She admitted that there aren’t easy answers for every problem at the local level, but decisions made at the local level are very important.”

May 26: “She began in Las Vegas, Nevada, however, where she attended the United Food & Commercial Workers (UFCW) Legislative and Political Affairs Conference. During her speech, Clinton said that Republican nominee Donald Trump is an urgent threat to workers’ rights. She said, “I’ve heard over and over again there has never been more at stake for working families in America than there is right now.” Clinton spoke about her plans to support labor unions, grow the middle class, and focus on the creation of new jobs.”

May 25: “Clinton also outlined her proposal to rebuild the nations infrastructure. She vowed to implement the plan during her first 100 days in office. The plan includes provisions that will:

Deliver the most significant increase in infrastructure investment since President Eisenhower built the Interstate Highway System
Connect every household in America to affordable broadband and lead the world into next-generation wireless
Develop transportation technology of tomorrow
Make America the clean energy superpower of the 21st century with a cleaner, smarter, and more resilient electric grid
Eliminate the chose points of commerce
Revitalize public schools in every ZIP code and invest in communities being left out and left behind
Build American airports that are the envy of the world
Leverage private capital through public-private partnerships and ensure that taxpayer dollars are put to good use”

There is a lot more where that came from. She’s talking issues on the stump, and you’re fretting about her Twitter timeline.

Trump might campaign via Twitter. Hillary doesn’t and you’re taking an extremely myopic view if you think that’s what she’s doing.

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Jenner7  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:41:23am

re: #331 darthstar

Then you haven’t been paying attention to her campaign.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:42:19am

re: #214 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Also, they’d reveal how many charitable donations he’s made, which I suspect are a mere pittance compared to some other billionaires’.

I would actually be surprised if his personal charitable donations compare favorably to that of the average millionaire.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:42:42am

Twitter really isn’t the place you go where you want to know where a candidate stands on the issue. Twitter is for the quick sound bite.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:47:01am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

Twitter really isn’t the place you go where you want to know where a candidate stands on the issue. Twitter is for the quick sound bite.

The first Presidential campaign fought on Twitter, and hopefully the last.

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:47:53am

re: #330 Anymouse

Daymn. Left, right, uppercut.

Okay so-called liberal media, ball’s in your court.

They will let the air out of the ball if anything. I really do not see the main TV people taking Trump on.

Chuck Todd had an eye rolling moment at the end of his MTP Daily show yesterday reminding everyone that it was the media’s job to do reporting not be a part of the news. Strange that. It was Trump that was bitching about the media the whole time.

And isn’t Chucky the man in charge of NBC’s political coverage? The Chuck Todd that said if they actually took on the politicians they would never come on the show again.

It is now up to the internet and the last of the printed media and passing along info at sites like this.

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:48:57am

re: #334 Jenner7

Then you haven’t been paying attention to her campaign.

I’m getting my information the way most Americans are - via the media…social media, network TV, and cable news. This is what’s getting put out there. Sure, she goes into detail on the stump, but guess which part of the stump speeches makes it to Americans’ ears? Her ability to recite from memory every one of Trump’s insults to minorities and people of color, or her comments on his lack of preparedness, or how dangerous she says he is…

Maybe she doesn’t have a choice in this election. Maybe going after Trump is the only way she’ll get fair attention from the media. The rules have changed with Trump. Even the talking heads on TV are saying you can’t beat him with a traditional campaign of ideas. Such is our democracy.

I don’t like it. And I’m going to keep bitching about it. And yes, she’s better than Trump. That shouldn’t be something we actually have to say out loud.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:49:26am

re: #335 Jebediah, RBG

I would actually be surprised if his personal charitable donations compare favorably to that of the average millionaire.

His “personal charitable donations” consist of rounds of golf at his country clubs, which he writes off as cash donations on the tax returns that he won’t allow anyone to see.

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Bass Reeves  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:49:43am

re: #320 darthstar

Here are a couple of my takeaways:

1) She already has drawn her similarities to Obama. That’s a known known about Hillary, her policies are close to Obama.

2) She is NOT running as the Second Obama, she is running as the First Hillary. A campaign based solely on how great the last guy was seems to be pretty weak to me. She’s running on what SHE intends to do.

3) Don’t take this at all harshly, but why do you assume your view of how she should run her campaign is particularly valid? You support her current challenger, who she utterly wrecked. Against anybody other than Obama in 2008, she’d already be President. Seriously. One of her advisors is literally one of the most savvy politicians in modern history. She got this.

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:52:21am

re: #337 Anymouse

The first Presidential campaign fought on Twitter, and hopefully the last.

My only comfort comes in knowing that Twitter represents a very small fraction of Americans. It’s also a silo and an echo chamber. Conservatives follow conservatives. Liberals follow liberals. There’s minimal cross over and zero actual discussion. But 30 years from now we’ll tell our grandchildren that we survived the great hashtag wars.

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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:53:30am

re: #339 darthstar

I’m getting my information the way most Americans are - via the media…social media, network TV, and cable news. This is what’s getting put out there. Sure, she goes into detail on the stump, but guess which part of the stump speeches makes it to Americans’ ears? Her ability to recite from memory every one of Trump’s insults to minorities and people of color, or her comments on his lack of preparedness, or how dangerous she says he is…

Maybe she doesn’t have a choice in this election. Maybe going after Trump is the only way she’ll get fair attention from the media. The rules have changed with Trump. Even the talking heads on TV are saying you can’t beat him with a traditional campaign of ideas. Such is our democracy.

I don’t like it. And I’m going to keep bitching about it. And yes, she’s better than Trump. That shouldn’t be something we actually have to say out loud.

Dude. You’re talking about Hillary Clinton here. You know, of The Clintons?

You’re blaming her because the media sucks. Seriously?

What do you want her to do? Stage a press conference and whine about how the media’s treating her unfairly, like Trump did yesterday?

She’d be savaged for days - scratch that, months - if she did that, and I think you know it.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:54:29am

re: #341 Bass Reeves

It might appear that “she’s got this,” but I’ll crawl over four hundred miles of broken glass and lava to get to a polling place to vote for Mrs. Clinton over the fascist. (I am under no illusions that the candidate I supported in the primaries, Mr. Sanders, is going to win at this point.)

It is not a question of “voting for the lesser of two evils.” There is only evil, and not evil.

Mrs. Clinton is not evil.

As far as the ridiculous notion of in-person voter fraud, it is noteworthy that uber-red state Nebraska makes voting just as easy as in Oregon (by mail). It is almost as if the GOP wants to make voting difficult in battleground states to improve their chances.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:55:39am

re: #322 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is in love this raving wingnut!

And David French is a guy who thinks not only abortion but all forms of birth control should be outlawed.

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Hmm, I don’t remember him praising President Obama’s magna cum laude graduation from Harvard (which is a step above Shapiro’s cum laude) or POTUS’ Constitutional Law bona fides (he taught it for 12 years at the University of Chicago Law School).

Aside from a short stint actually working as an attorney, Shapiro hasn’t done squat with his law degree. He’s nothing more than a yappy little right-wing attack dog who spends his days nipping at the ankles of liberals who are actually working to get things done. Maybe he should try getting his ass out there and actually doing something useful with his education instead of spending every day spewing vitriol at others from inside the safety of his little right-wing bubble.

This is what you do with your Harvard Law degree? Impressive. //
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Stanley Sea  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:55:40am

re: #332 Skip Intro

He just can’t help being a complete ass, all the time, can he?

he.is.not.well.

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Jenner7  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:56:48am

re: #339 darthstar

But this isn’t something Clinton can control and I get, from reading between the lines, that you somehow blame her for that.

And it’s not helpful when we have Bernie Sanders calling her unqualified and saying he’s going all the way to the convention when there is no chance he’ll win.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:57:42am

And on evil? Donald Trump has locked up the endorsements of two of the three of the GOP’s Axis of Evil remark: Russia and North Korea.

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Jenner7  Jun 1, 2016 • 9:58:44am

This is your cue, Bernie.

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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:00:48am

re: #347 Jenner7

But this isn’t something Clinton can control and I get, from reading between the lines, that you somehow blame her for that.

And it’s not helpful when we have Bernie Sanders calling her unqualified and saying he’s going all the way to the convention when there is no chance he’ll win.

THIS. Goddamn it.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:01:04am

re: #349 Jenner7

POTUS loves campaigning and he’s very good at it.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:01:17am

re: #347 Jenner7

But this isn’t something Clinton can control and I get, from reading between the lines, that you somehow blame her for that.

And it’s not helpful when we have Bernie Sanders calling her unqualified and saying he’s going all the way to the convention when there is no chance he’ll win.

Mrs. Clinton did recently say in respect to Mr. Sanders and whether he should drop out that he is free to run his campaign any way he sees fit.

I am under the impression that she wants Mr. Sanders to be at the convention, but that might just be me.

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:01:21am

re: #341 Bass Reeves

Here are a couple of my takeaways:

1) She already has drawn her similarities to Obama. That’s a known known about Hillary, her policies are close to Obama.

True…but she needs to remind people, or at least I think she does.

2) She is NOT running as the Second Obama, she is running as the First Hillary. A campaign based solely on how great the last guy was seems to be pretty weak to me. She’s running on what SHE intends to do.

Understood. The bolded part is what I want to hear more of…and while I may not be reading through her campaign literature, I am paying attention, and I’m not hearing it - and I do listen for it.

3) Don’t take this at all harshly, but why do you assume your view of how she should run her campaign is particularly valid? You support her current challenger, who she utterly wrecked. Against anybody other than Obama in 2008, she’d already be President. Seriously. One of her advisors is literally one of the most savvy politicians in modern history. She got this.

Best point. My view is just that…and it’s no more valid than anyone else’s. And I’m far more cynical than I was the last three or four election cycles…so I suspect I’ll break into dickishness every now and then…though I will try to keep that to a minimum.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:01:37am

re: #351 CuriousLurker

POTUS loves campaigning and he’s very good at it.

I expect him to be an excellent surrogate for Clinton when that time comes.

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:05:45am

re: #347 Jenner7

But this isn’t something Clinton can control and I get, from reading between the lines, that you somehow blame her for that.

And it’s not helpful when we have Bernie Sanders calling her unqualified and saying he’s going all the way to the convention when there is no chance he’ll win.

I don’t blame her for the media’s obsession with mud slinging. I just pine for the days of Si, Si Puede! and Bernie Sanders? He’s just seven more days of background noise. He wasn’t ever supposed to get above 10% anyway, but damn he had a good message there for a while.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:06:10am

re: #354 HappyWarrior

His campaign stops are pretty much guaranteed to be barn burners. I can hardly wait.

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Jenner7  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:06:14am
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Jenner7  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:06:57am

re: #355 darthstar

Is it just seven more days??

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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:06:57am

re: #354 HappyWarrior

I expect him to be an excellent surrogate for Clinton when that time comes.

He’s gonna give Trump fits, because when Obama starts slamming Trump it will make the news.

If anyone can cause Trump to commit that Big Unforced Error, it’s Obama. He humiliated Trump at that Correspondents’ Dinner, and Trump is still seething over it. Some people say that’s why he’s running for president in the first place.

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:07:09am

Oh, FFS.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:07:31am

re: #358 Jenner7

Is it just seven more days??

He’s assuming that Bernie drops out after California. I’m hoping that’s right.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:08:20am

re: #359 makeitstop

He’s gonna give Trump fits, because when Obama starts slamming Trump it will make the news.

If anyone can cause Trump to commit that Big Unforced Error, it’s Obama. He humiliated Trump at that Correspondents’ Dinner, and Trump is still seething over it. Some people say that’s why he’s running for president in the first place.

Yep nobody shows what an insecure asshole Trump really is like Obama.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:08:56am

re: #355 darthstar

I don’t blame her for the media’s obsession with mud slinging. I just pine for the days of Si, Si Puede! and Bernie Sanders? He’s just seven more days of background noise. He wasn’t ever supposed to get above 10% anyway, but damn he had a good message there for a while.

There was a time when the media saw the news as a public service. Now it has to make a profit, and thus they have to sell a horse race.

If the news reported that every reasonable assessment of the electoral map shows that Mrs. Clinton will win the Electoral College in a blowout (rather than simply showing a map with the huge swath of red that I live in the middle of), that would not sell advertising.

Thing is, people win elections, not square miles. The 1.2 people per square mile in my county, as large as it is, is not the same as a similarly-sized area (New York City).

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:10:02am

re: #358 Jenner7

Is it just seven more days??

California is next Tuesday. This will be locked up. The only people who will still be paying attention to Bernie will be those who still want something to be angry about.

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No Depression  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:10:05am

re: #356 CuriousLurker

His campaign stops are pretty much guaranteed to be barn burners. I can hardly wait.

I’m already grinning at the thought at wingnut heads exploding. IT WILL BE GLORIOUS.

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CleverToad  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:10:12am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

Twitter really isn’t the place you go where you want to know where a candidate stands on the issue. Twitter is for the quick sound bite.

I hesitate to say this, but I sort of agree with Darth on the specific topic of the Twitter ratio. As a firm Hil supporter, I’d like to see her Twitter feed keep an average of seven tweets that shift the conversation to her actions and issues vs. three that poke the blithering yam. She can’t ignore him, but I’d like to see more attention directed to more interesting topics.

Mind you, this may be because I’m am thoroughly sick of yam. I always did prefer sweet potatoes.

((Edited for clarity))

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:11:35am

re: #366 CleverToad

I hesitate to say this, but I sort of agree with Darth. As a firm Hil supporter, I’d like to see her Twitter feed keep an average of seven tweets that shift the conversation to her actions and issues vs. three that poke the blithering yam. She can’t ignore him, but I’d like to see more attention directed to more interesting topics.

Mind you, this may be because I’m am thoroughly sick of yam. I always did prefer sweet potatoes.

Fair enough.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:12:30am

re: #365 No Depression

I’m already grinning at the thought at wingnut heads exploding. IT WILL BE GLORIOUS.

What lame nickname will Trump come up with for Obama? There’s Crooked Hillary, Lyin’ Ted, Goofy Elizabeth, and Little Marco already taken.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:12:50am
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Belafon  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:13:01am

re: #349 Jenner7

I wouldn’t want to face a Bill Clinton and Barack Obama who aren’t themselves running for president.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:13:26am

re: #366 CleverToad

I hesitate to say this, but I sort of agree with Darth. As a firm Hil supporter, I’d like to see her Twitter feed keep an average of seven tweets that shift the conversation to her actions and issues vs. three that poke the blithering yam. She can’t ignore him, but I’d like to see more attention directed to more interesting topics.

Mind you, this may be because I’m am thoroughly sick of yam. I always did prefer sweet potatoes.

But Mr. Trump will not have to deal with just Mrs. Clinton. He also has to deal with Mrs. Granholm, Comrade Senator Professor Elizabeth Warrenova, and other women politicians swamping his Twitter timeline. Mrs. Clinton has many people who are quite willing to go into the trenches on her behalf.

Poor Donald may overspeed his thumbs typing on Twitter in response (as he cannot let anything that slights him go by). Look for him to be supporting thumb splints as the campaign continues.

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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:15:30am

re: #368 HappyWarrior

What lame nickname will Trump come up with for Obama? There’s Crooked Hillary, Lyin’ Ted, Goofy Elizabeth, and Little Marco already taken.

Why, Kenyan Obama, of course.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:15:43am

re: #370 Belafon

I wouldn’t want to face a Bill Clinton and Barack Obama who aren’t themselves running for president.

Trump’s not going to know what hit him at the end of this summer. He may have been the amateurs of Kasich, Rubio, and Cruz but he’s in the big leagues now.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:16:34am

So Twitter doesn’t matter when it’s discussing the outrages like what happened in Nevada, and we should all be ignoring it and getting our news from elsewhere, but now it does because Hillary doesn’t Tweet enough positive stuff.

Ooooooooooookay. I’m gonna go be over here.

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CleverToad  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:18:19am

re: #371 Anymouse

But Mr. Trump will not have to deal with just Mrs. Clinton. He also has to deal with Mrs. Granholm, Comrade Senator Professor Elizabeth Warrenova, and other women politicians swamping his Twitter timeline. Mrs. Clinton has many people who are quite willing to go into the trenches on her behalf.

Yep, that’s why Clinton can concentrate on interesting stuff with only the occasional swipe at the orange wannabe-Julius. There are plenty of people who can keep him busy poking keys in the sma’ wee hours.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:21:01am

re: #374 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In my best Elsa voice (which ought to be pretty awesome from an untrained 46 year old white male): “Let it go, let it go.”

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:21:06am

re: #375 CleverToad

Yep, that’s why Clinton can concentrate on interesting stuff with only the occasional swipe at the orange wannabe-Julius. There are plenty of people who can keep him busy poking keys in the sma’ wee hours.

That actually works well to delegitimise Mr. Trump’s seeming advantage on Twitter. He will waste his time on people who are not running for office (Elizabeth Warren, Jennifer Granholm, Barack Obama), and every minute he is attacking them, he is not attacking the actual candidate for office (Hillary Clinton).

In this case, divide and conquer works against Mr. Trump.

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:21:44am

re: #344 Anymouse

It might appear that “she’s got this,” but I’ll crawl over four hundred miles of broken glass and lava to get to a polling place to vote for Mrs. Clinton over the fascist. (I am under no illusions that the candidate I supported in the primaries, Mr. Sanders, is going to win at this point.)

It is not a question of “voting for the lesser of two evils.” There is only evil, and not evil.

Mrs. Clinton is not evil.

As far as the ridiculous notion of in-person voter fraud, it is noteworthy that uber-red state Nebraska makes voting just as easy as in Oregon (by mail). It is almost as if the GOP wants to make voting difficult in battleground states to improve their chances.

Like here in Ohio!

Thankfully the courts seem to rule in favor of more voting opportunities not less.

And I use our very easy mail in ballot system. I also make sure my ballot is mailed well before the actual general vote…as soon as I can.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:21:55am

re: #365 No Depression

I’m already grinning at the thought at wingnut heads exploding. IT WILL BE GLORIOUS.

Yep, he’s gonna work on his “rhymes with bucket list” out there. He knows how to keep his cool, which means there will be massive, expert trolling. HRC couldn’t ask for a better advocate on the campaign trail.

The hated black man & hated Clintons tag-teaming wingnuts. It will indeed be glorious!

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Jenner7  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:24:06am

Oh look, a little box on MSNBC’s screen that Hillary is going to speak soon. Why tell us when you’re not going to actually play ANY of her speech??

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Sir John Barron  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:24:27am

re: #2 The Ghost of a Flea

This article needs to add the unsufferable shitheelery that was his post about Prince’s death.

I’d tell him to pound sand up his ass, but given how he already acts, there’s no room for more unless he removes some sticks or corn.

Upding for “unsufferable shitheelery”.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:24:56am

re: #380 Jenner7

Oh look, a little box on MSNBC’s screen that Hillary is going to speak soon. Why tell us when you’re not going to actually play ANY of her speech??

Depends. What’s Trump doing at the moment?

//

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:24:59am

re: #345 CuriousLurker

Hmm, I don’t remember him praising President Obama’s magna cum laude graduation from Harvard (which is a step above Shapiro’s cum laude) or POTUS’ Constitutional Law bona fides (he taught it for 12 years at the University of Chicago Law School).

Aside from a short stint actually working as an attorney, Shapiro hasn’t done squat with his law degree. He’s nothing more than a yappy little right-wing attack dog who spends his days nipping at the ankles of liberals who are actually working to get things done. Maybe he should try getting his ass out there and actually doing something useful with his education instead of spending every day spewing vitriol at others from inside the safety of his little right-wing bubble.

The little ankle biter doggie is too cute for Benny. But then all doggies are too cute for Benny…even the ones that win the ugly dog contests. I guess I am a lover of all Mother Natures creatures. But I don’t give that same break to ugly-acting humans.

Image: This is what you do with your Harvard Law degree? Impressive. //

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Jenner7  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:25:07am

MSNBC says possibly two victims at UCLA campus shooting.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:26:01am

re: #376 Belafon

In my best Elsa voice (which ought to be pretty awesome from an untrained 46 year old white male): “Let it go, let it go.”

Sorry, it triggered a pet peeve of mine.

I’ll head off and do something productive for a while instead.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:26:06am

re: #379 CuriousLurker

Yep, he gonna work on his “rhymes with bucket list” out there. He knows how to keep his cool, which means there will be massive, expert trolling. HRC couldn’t ask for a better advocate on the campaign trail.

The hated black man & hated Clintons tag-teaming wingnuts. It will indeed be glorious!

I have a picture of the WWE for this election, which I suppose is accurate in a way, since Mr. Trump was associated with that organisation.

Warren lifts Trump over her head, and slams him to the mat in a brutal suplex! She tags Granholm, who brings a folding chair in and rings his chime!

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CuriousLurker  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:26:27am

re: #383 ObserverArt

?

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CuriousLurker  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:26:57am

re: #386 Anymouse

LOL!

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:26:58am

re: #350 makeitstop

THIS. Goddamn it.

I think Darth is still struggling with the whole Bernie thing. Maybe after California he will see things a little clearer.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:28:07am

Okay, gotta get some work done.

BBL

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retired cynic  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:28:47am

re: #377 Anymouse

That actually works well to delegitimise Mr. Trump’s seeming advantage on Twitter. He will waste his time on people who are not running for office (Elizabeth Warren, Jennifer Granholm, Barack Obama), and every minute he is attacking them, he is not attacking the actual candidate for office (Hillary Clinton).

In this case, divide and conquer works against Mr. Trump.

Yes, but there are going to be plenty of nasty volunteers willing to tackle her on his behalf. Heard a McConnell interview this morning, and what a slimy git he is.

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CuriousLurker  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:29:12am

re: #383 ObserverArt

Ah, okay—your reply somehow ended up inside the blockquote.

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:29:39am
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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:30:15am

re: #317 makeitstop

I believe that is the first song of his I ever heard. He is awesome.

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Kragar  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:30:17am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:30:51am

re: #393 lawhawk

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What’s that hack babbling on about?

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Jenner7  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:31:32am
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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:31:41am

re: #389 ObserverArt

I think Darth is still struggling with the whole Bernie thing. Maybe after California he will see things a little clearer.

I am disappointed Mr. Sanders did not do better. That does not mean I do not think Mrs. Clinton would be a bad president; I think she will make a fine and capable president. I do think Mr. Sanders brought some attention to issues that were not getting enough attention, as Governor Brown of California noted in his own endorsement of Mrs. Clinton.

However, the primaries are almost over and Mr. Sanders has a near-insurmountable deficit to make up to win. Mrs. Clinton is so far ahead it would take a meteor strike on her campaign now. There is no way in hell I would sit out the election (despite the seeming futility of voting in my red state) and not oppose the fascist. We fought a damn war against fascism; I will not cease speaking out against him in my little town.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:33:35am

re: #393 lawhawk

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It’s even in the article, which Greta was apparently unable to comprehend (or didn’t bother to read):

New Horizons captured the images from a distance of about 9,850 miles on July 14, 23 minutes before the probe’s closest approach to Pluto (which brought it to within 7,800 miles of the dwarf planet’s surface).

Though the encounter took place more than 10 months ago, New Horizons is still beaming flyby data home, and likely won’t be done doing so until this coming fall, mission team members have said.

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Nyet  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:34:29am

re: #398 Anymouse

Thank you.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:35:08am

re: #399 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s even in the article, which Greta was apparently unable to comprehend (or didn’t bother to read):

Greta’s not very smart.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:35:36am

re: #400 Nyet

Thank you.

Well, Governor Bobby Jindal noted the GOP needed to stop being the stupid party.

I never belonged to the stupid party in the first place.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:35:39am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

Greta’s not very smart.

Is anyone at Fox?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:36:20am

re: #403 I Would Prefer Not To

Is anyone at Fox?

The folks who came up with the business model. That’s been working great.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:36:20am

re: #397 Jenner7

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Excellent. @tomcolicchio is a great follow.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:37:01am

re: #403 I Would Prefer Not To

Is anyone at Fox?

I’m sure the people who work in the cafeteria are.

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Skip Intro  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:37:34am

re: #399 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s even in the article, which Greta was apparently unable to comprehend (or didn’t bother to read):

When Trump is president he’ll make light travel faster. Vote Trump to see space images sooner!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:37:48am

(CNN)The New York City Department of Buildings confirmed Wednesday that it is investigating the use of the Trump Tower atrium for campaign events, which may violate an agreement Donald Trump made to keep parts the building open to the public when he built the landmark.
Department spokesman Joe Soldevere told CNN that the “Department of Building’s enforcement unit is investigating whether the atrium was improperly closed to the public.”

Soldevere said the probe was sparked by Tuesday’s press conference at Trump Tower. The Associated Press first reported the investigation by the Department of Buildings.
A message left with the Trump campaign was not immediately returned on Wednesday.
Trump struck a deal with New York City in 1979 that allowed for extended zoning of the now-famous building on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. But the special permit stipulated that the atrium of the building “be accessible and kept open to the public from 8:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. daily.”
While the deal said the atrium could be closed to the public up to four times a year with permission, Soldevere told CNN that they had “received no such requests” from the Trump campaign. An official with the city planning department added that no requests had been received in the past two years. And Trump has frequently used the space for campaign events, including interviews, press conferences and even the announcement of his campaign.

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Nyet  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:38:01am

re: #403 I Would Prefer Not To

Is anyone at Fox?

Who’s their token liberal at the moment?
I mean, Colmes was irritating as one, but he’s smart.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:38:36am

re: #403 I Would Prefer Not To

Is anyone at Fox?

I almost get the impression there is some sort of eye disease or defect that prevents certain people from seeing facts on a page. Perhaps confirmation bias is diagnosable by an ophthalmologist.

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:39:34am

re: #395 Kragar

The first sign that things weren’t on the up and up with Trump’s scam school? That you need salespeople to sell it.

This was all about selling a product (which was actually vaporware, but I digress). It had nothing to do with education. It was all about enriching Trump, and depriving people who had limited means of their income.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:40:35am

re: #402 Anymouse

Well, Governor Bobby Jindal noted the GOP needed to stop being the stupid party.

I never belonged to the stupid party in the first place.

So, after November, if it turns out as we all hope, the GOP leadership will be in a position to tell the Tea Party, “We gave you what you wanted. We let you choose the candidate. We lost, big time. Can we please try something else?”

But given their complete lack of introspection, I suspect Trump will suddenly become another RINO the E-GOP foisted on the Rank And Vile.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:42:28am

re: #410 Anymouse

I almost get the impression there is some sort of eye disease or defect that prevents certain people from seeing facts on a page. Perhaps confirmation bias is diagnosable by an ophthalmologist.

A lot of the people at FOX have resumes that would indicate that they are intelligence. Jon Stewart suggested that they play stupid to appeal to the morons that watch their programming.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:42:59am

re: #412 Blind Frog Belly White

I wonder if the GOP might actually split into a number of parties (that has happened to major parties in the past).

The traditional business wing of the GOP, a religious party, and perhaps a fascist party.

I find that Megyn Kelly (sp?) could be a decent journalist, if she worked for a decent outfit. Money must have a really strong pull for people with weak convictions.

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retired cynic  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:43:33am

re: #412 Blind Frog Belly White

So, after November, if it turns out as we all hope, the GOP leadership will be in a position to tell the Tea Party, “We gave you what you wanted. We let you choose the candidate. We lost, big time. Can we please try something else?”

But given their complete lack of introspection, I suspect Trump will suddenly become another RINO the E-GOP foisted on the Rank And Vile.

Upding for Rank and Vile!

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Stanley Sea  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:44:45am

re: #413 Timothy Watson

A lot of the people at FOX have resumes that would indicate that they are intelligence. Jon Stewart suggested that they play stupid to appeal to the morons that watch their programming.

It’s always money.

Sell your soul, no prob.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:45:41am

Watched yesterday’s Person of Interest
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:46:39am

re: #411 lawhawk

The first sign that things weren’t on the up and up with Trump’s scam school? That you need salespeople to sell it.

This was all about selling a product (which was actually vaporware, but I digress). It had nothing to do with education. It was all about enriching Trump, and depriving people who had limited means of their income.

I saw this, this morning. A scripted response for salesmen dealing with marks who won’t commit because they’re at financial risk:

As one of your mentors for the last three days, it’s time for me to push you out of your comfort zone. It’s time for you to be 100% honest with yourself. You’ve had your entire adult life to accomplish your financial goals. I’m looking at your profile and you’re not even close to where you need to be, much less where you want to be. It’s time you fix your broken plan, bring in Mr. Trump’s top instructors and certified millionaire mentors and allow us to put you and keep you on the right track. Your plan is BROKEN and WE WILL help you fix it. Remember you have to be 100% honest with yourself!

This is just a textbook con.

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jaunte  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:47:04am

Larry Pratt (GOA) advocating armed revolution. Must be Wednesday.

“And we may have to reassert that constitutional balance, and it may not be pretty,” he continued. “So, I’d much rather have an election where we solve this matter at the ballot box than have to resort to the bullet box.”
talkingpointsmemo.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:47:26am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:48:58am

re: #417 Timothy Watson

Watched yesterday’s Person of Interest
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:(

Don’t tell me - the episode was cowritten by Joss Whedon and George RR Martin?

ETA: and I mean LITERALLY don’t tell me. I haven’t seen this week’s episodes yet.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:50:14am

re: #419 jaunte

Larry Pratt (GOA) advocating armed revolution. Must be Wednesday.

So when does Mr. Pratt get a visit from the FBI or Secret Service?

Oh right, he is the wrong colour/religion for that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:50:41am

re: #419 jaunte

Larry Pratt (GOA) advocating armed revolution against a democratically elected government. Must be Wednesday.

Added to sharpen the point.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:51:10am

re: #421 Blind Frog Belly White

Don’t tell me - the episode was cowritten by Joss Whedon and George RR Martin?

ETA: and I mean LITERALLY don’t tell me. I haven’t seen this week’s episodes yet.

Soylent Green is people!

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KingKenrod  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:51:52am

re: #417 Timothy Watson

Watched yesterday’s Person of Interest
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:(
:(

It’s been an amazing season so far…so sorry to see this show ending.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:52:41am

re: #419 jaunte

Larry Pratt (GOA) advocating armed revolution. Must be Wednesday.

Larry Pratt is a sissy who hides behind guns to make threats. Larry can’t handle that people in this country don’t see his way so he makes threats.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:53:52am

re: #419 jaunte

Larry Pratt (GOA) advocating armed revolution. Must be Wednesday.

Why are Libtards so angry and violent always?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:54:46am

re: #424 I Would Prefer Not To

Soylent Green is people!

“Have you tried Soylent Cola?”

“Is it any good?”

“It varies from person to person.”

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:55:36am

re: #427 Sir John Barron

Why are Libtards so angry and violent always?

///

On the UCLA shooting, what’s the over/under on how long it takes some important wingnut claims the shooter is a Democrat?

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:56:28am

re: #429 Anymouse

About the same time it’ll take for them to claim that it was due to being a gun-free zone.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:56:34am

re: #429 Anymouse

On the UCLA shooting, what’s the over/under on how long it takes some important wingnut claims the shooter is a Democrat?

Only if he’s a white guy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:56:48am

“We continue to praise God for His grace and mercy, and to be thankful to the Cincinnati Zoo for their actions taken to protect our child. We are also very appreciative for the expressions of concern and support that have been sent to us. Some have offered money to the family, which we do not want and will not accept. If anyone wishes to make a gift, we recommend a donation to the Cincinnati Zoo in Harambe’s name.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:57:29am

re: #431 Blind Frog Belly White

Only if he’s a white guy.

The police description is that the shooter is white.

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:57:47am

re: #389 ObserverArt

I think Darth is still struggling with the whole Bernie thing. Maybe after California he will see things a little clearer.

Yeah, I’ll be better in a week…right now I have a number of app-servers and performance scripts to monitory.

Laterz.

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:58:04am

re: #368 HappyWarrior

What lame nickname will Trump come up with for Obama? There’s Crooked Hillary, Lyin’ Ted, Goofy Elizabeth, and Little Marco already taken.

He’s pretty much trapped into calling him President Obama. Anything less will just show he is a disrespectful jerk. That will probably not stop him, but it will be another example of Trump being an ass.

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Nyet  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:58:23am

re: #432 Backwoods_Sleuth

The brouhaha over the shooting is ridiculous. OK, it sucks that the beast is dead, but it’s just an animal, sorry.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:58:41am

re: #432 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s very gracious of them to refuse the money. Honestly, what happened was a tragic mistake. I hate that the gorilla died but I hate that people are attacking these parents too.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:59:12am

re: #431 Blind Frog Belly White

Only if he’s a white guy.

Especially if he is anything else.

re: #432 Backwoods_Sleuth

God, inventor of firearms.

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jaunte  Jun 1, 2016 • 10:59:57am

Ken Starr also busy today, learning nothing.

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allegro  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:01:00am

re: #417 Timothy Watson

Watched yesterday’s Person of Interest
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My face is more like =0. What an extraordinary episode.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:01:02am

re: #436 Nyet

The brouhaha over the shooting is ridiculous. OK, it sucks that the beast is dead, but it’s just an animal, sorry.

What was interesting for me to read was stuff from actual Zimbabweans following what happened with that dentist/hunter. I mean I thought the guy was an ass too honestly but people blew it way out of proportion.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:01:39am

re: #439 jaunte

Ken Starr also busy today, learning nothing.

Every person who has ever lived on a college campus should be laughing at Starr’s statement.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:03:15am

re: #439 jaunte

Ken Starr also busy today, learning nothing.

Can’t believe Bill Kristol didn’t chat up ole Mr. Starr for president.

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Nyet  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:03:16am

re: #441 HappyWarrior

At least that was a case of killing for sport, I understand the moral quandary there. Here it’s about a kid, fuck that noise.

Anthropomorphizing animals is stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:03:33am

re: #442 Belafon

Every person who has ever lived on a college campus should be laughing at Starr’s statement.

What? I’m laughing for another reason, stop looking at me like that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:04:23am

re: #444 Nyet

At least that was a case of killing for sport, I understand the moral quandary there. Here it’s about a kid, fuck that noise.

Anthropomorphizing animals is stupid.

Yeah that’s true as well. But you’re right. They had no idea what could have happened to that kid. It does suck the gorilla died but I’m glad the kid is okay more.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:04:44am

re: #442 Belafon

Every person who has ever lived on a college campus should be laughing at Starr’s statement.

Isn’t Mr. Starr the last major character in the character assassination/bogus impeachment of Bill Clinton that wasn’t involved in some sort of sex scandal? Party of family values my liberal behind.

My conservative and religious first wife divorced me because I developed epilepsy, apparently channelling Newt Gingrich. My wife now would stand over my injured body and fight off a pack of bandits with a spoon.

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wrenchwench  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:06:14am

re: #447 Anymouse

Isn’t Mr. Starr the last major character in the character assassination/bogus impeachment of Bill Clinton that wasn’t involved in some sort of sex scandal? Party of family values my liberal behind.

My conservative and religious first wife divorced me because I developed epilepsy, apparently channelling Newt Gingrich. My wife now would stand over my injured body and fight off a pack of bandits with a spoon.

Get that lady a spork!

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Nyet  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:06:37am

re: #446 HappyWarrior

Even a chimpanzee is a huge danger to an adult human, and is basically unpredictable. Maimed former owners can speak to that.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:07:16am

re: #447 Anymouse

Isn’t Mr. Starr the last major character in the character assassination/bogus impeachment of Bill Clinton that wasn’t involved in some sort of sex scandal? Party of family values my liberal behind.

My conservative and religious first wife divorced me because I developed epilepsy, apparently channelling Newt Gingrich. My wife now would stand over my injured body and fight off a pack of bandits with a spoon.

Like they say, “the only way to stop a bad girl with a spoon is a good girl with a spoon.”

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:07:25am

re: #448 wrenchwench

Get that lady a spork!

She points out with epilepsy I am just falling all over her feet, why would she want to oust someone who would worship her like that?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:07:25am

re: #436 Nyet

The brouhaha over the shooting is ridiculous. OK, it sucks that the beast is dead, but it’s just an animal, sorry.

I don’t see how the Zoo had any choice. First, tranks don’t drop animals in their tracks, movies notwithstanding. Second, gorillas have no particular reason NOT to kill small humans. Third, you can’t REALLY wait till the gorilla is ABOUT TO hurt the kid to shoot.

But it’s tragic. We ruin their habitat, kill them outright for souvenirs, then imprison some of them in these cages for our own amusement, and even then we can’t leave them alone - we build enclosures that don’t keep us out, and then we have to kill one of them.

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:07:29am

re: #383 ObserverArt

Damn it…messed this post up and put my comment inside the quote tags. That’s what I get for again doing too much at the same time.

It’s the bit about Benny not being compared to the cute doggie, etc. Luckily CL caught it.

By the way…it is getting rather warn here in central Ohio today. I like heat, but not 90° the first day of June!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:07:50am

re: #449 Nyet

Even a chimpanzee is a huge danger to an adult human, and is basically unpredictable. Maimed former owners can speak to that.

Exactly so I get why it’s upsetting to people but at the same time in the end I would have wanted the same done had that been one of my loved ones attacked.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:08:30am

re: #452 Blind Frog Belly White

I don’t see how the Zoo had any choice. First, tranks don’t drop animals in their tracks, movies notwithstanding. Second, gorillas have no particular reason NOT to kill small humans. Third, you can’t REALLY wait till the gorilla is ABOUT TO hurt the kid to shoot.

But it’s tragic. We ruin their habitat, kill them outright for souvenirs, then imprison some of them in these cages for our own amusement, and even then we can’t leave them alone - we build enclosures that don’t keep us out, and then we have to kill one of them.

Summed up my thoughts on the matter exactly.

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:09:24am

re: #387 CuriousLurker

?

Yeah…screwed up. Just posted about it…too late to change now.

Here was my actual comment:

The little ankle biter doggie is too cute for Benny. But then all doggies are too cute for Benny…even the ones that win the ugly dog contests. I guess I am a lover of all Mother Natures creatures. But I don’t give that same break to ugly-acting humans.

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Nyet  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:09:52am

re: #452 Blind Frog Belly White

I agree (also) with the second part, but the reaction I meant was “they had to do something else”/”it’s basically murder”. Talking about why we have zoos is legit.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:10:50am

re: #447 Anymouse

Isn’t Mr. Starr the last major character in the character assassination/bogus impeachment of Bill Clinton that wasn’t involved in some sort of sex scandal? Party of family values my liberal behind.

My conservative and religious first wife divorced me because I developed epilepsy, apparently channelling Newt Gingrich. My wife now would stand over my injured body and fight off a pack of bandits with a spoon.

My wife has some silverware from her parents that I tell her I want around when the zombie apocalypse occurs. The joint between the handle and head is about 3/16” thick. I’ll see if I can get a spoon for your wife.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:11:20am

re: #403 I Would Prefer Not To

Is anyone at Fox?

Not if they want to keep working.

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:12:38am

re: #458 Belafon

My wife has some silverware from her parents that I tell her I want around when the zombie apocalypse occurs. The joint between the handle and head is about 3/16” thick. I’ll see if I can get a spoon for your wife.

Phrasing /Archer

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:13:09am

re: #457 Nyet

I agree (also) with the second part, but the reaction I meant was “they had to do something else”/”it’s basically murder”. Talking about why we have zoos is legit.

Zoos are actually a critical component in wildlife conservation (when they are run correctly).

I am not keen on the idea of placing a single animal in an enclosure without companionship or whatnot. Zoos that are set up more as open parks that allow animals to freely roam seem a bit more humane to me.

Like most things humans do, it isn’t all evil or all good. In the case of the Cincinnati Zoo, there certainly should be an enquiry into how a toddler was able to get into the enclosure in the first place. As far as the gorilla went, he probably viewed the child as nothing more than an interesting object or toy. (He didn’t directly attack the child, or he would have killed him instantly.)

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:13:52am

re: #399 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s even in the article, which Greta was apparently unable to comprehend (or didn’t bother to read):

Too quick to bitch. It is a FOX News thing.

And of course they never come back and say oops…sorry. FOX never makes mistakes, they ARE a mistake.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:14:34am

Silver silverware doubles as weapons against werewolves too.

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retired cynic  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:15:49am

Hey, a good post on KOS, with a partial list of Obama’s progressive accomplishments:

dailykos.com?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:16:31am

re: #463 Anymouse

Silver silverware doubles as weapons against werewolves too.

I never understood why that is. Blood and the cross for Vampires, yes but I never got why silver works against werewolves.

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Nyet  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:16:50am

re: #461 Anymouse

As far as the gorilla went, he probably viewed the child as nothing more than an interesting object or toy. (He didn’t directly attack the child, or he would have killed him instantly.)

Could be, but you can’t take the risk of doing nothing (or doing something too slowly) in such a situation. Hence: it’s just an animal. Humans take priority.

(Speciecist bigotry!!!//)

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:17:16am

re: #411 lawhawk

The first sign that things weren’t on the up and up with Trump’s scam school? That you need salespeople to sell it.

This was all about selling a product (which was actually vaporware, but I digress). It had nothing to do with education. It was all about enriching Trump, and depriving people who had limited means of their income.

The man has a black soul.

it is tragic people do not see it that way.

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Kragar  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:17:23am

re: #442 Belafon

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:17:30am

re: #465 HappyWarrior

I never understood why that is. Blood and the cross for Vampires, yes but I never got why silver works against werewolves.

Yahoo Answers has the answer to everything:

au.answers.yahoo.com

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Jenner7  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:17:58am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:18:10am

re: #469 Anymouse

Yahoo Answers has the answer to everything:

au.answers.yahoo.com

Aha, very interesting.

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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:18:27am

re: #414 Anymouse

I wonder if the GOP might actually split into a number of parties (that has happened to major parties in the past).

The traditional business wing of the GOP, a religious party, and perhaps a fascist party.

I find that Megyn Kelly (sp?) could be a decent journalist, if she worked for a decent outfit. Money must have a really strong pull for people with weak convictions.

You mean like TRUMP®

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:18:31am

Fucking shooters.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:19:22am

re: #465 HappyWarrior

I never understood why that is. Blood and the cross for Vampires, yes but I never got why silver works against werewolves.

Someone was sold for thirty pieces of silver a couple of millenniums ago and the metal has been performing penance ever since.

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Great White Snark  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:19:29am

re: #465 HappyWarrior

I never understood why that is. Blood and the cross for Vampires, yes but I never got why silver works against werewolves.

Kills goldbugs too.
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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:20:05am

re: #475 Great White Snark

Kills goldbugs too.
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Maybe we need to send some to Glenn Beck?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:20:25am

re: #475 Great White Snark

Kills goldbugs too.
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The power of Christ compels you, Ron Paul, the power of Christ!

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Nyet  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:20:35am

re: #474 Romantic Heretic

Someone was sold for thirty pieces of silver a couple of millenniums ago and the metal has been performing penance ever since.

Wouldn’t that mean you can only use the type of wood the cross was made of to kill vampires?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:21:09am

I guess vampires aren’t too big on Italian food with all that garlic.

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Nyet  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:21:24am

re: #477 HappyWarrior

The power of Christ compels you, Ron Paul, the power of Christ!

“Let’s see how it fares against the Invisible Hand of the Market!”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:21:39am

re: #464 retired cynic

Hey, a good post on KOS, with a partial list of Obama’s progressive accomplishments:

dailykos.com?

Yes but people are ‘angry’ because.

//

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:21:59am

re: #480 Nyet

“Let’s see how it fares against the Invisible Hand of the Market!”

“It’s not in the Constitution!”

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Kragar  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:22:07am

re: #478 Nyet

Everyone knows that stakes are just a myth. Decapitation, followed by incineration is the way to go.

Of course, wood chipper beats everything.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:22:30am

So if I have a silver cross it works against both?

How about a silver Mogen David?

485
HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:22:32am

re: #481 Sir John Barron

Yes but people are ‘angry’ because.

//

Because Obama didn’t have a show trial for bankers, people associated with the Bush administration, etc.

486
wrenchwench  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:22:38am

I have one of these in stock:

It’s stainless steel, though, so only good for eating with.

487
Nyet  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:23:58am

re: #483 Kragar

Of course, wood chipper beats everything.

If vampires are anything like the Wolverine, you just got an army of them made.

488
Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:24:24am

re: #486 wrenchwench

That looks like you might be able to fight off bandits with though.

My wife points out you could gouge someone’s eyes out pretty quickly with that.

489
Decatur Deb  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:25:05am

re: #486 wrenchwench

I have one of these in stock:

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It’s stainless steel, though, so only good for eating with.

All the cool kids are packing titanium.

490
Romantic Heretic  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:25:12am

re: #478 Nyet

Doesn’t matter. The stake through the heart does have to be wood but doesn’t kill ‘em. Just paralyzes them.

Decapitation or dragging into sunlight will kill them.

Anything else just makes them mad. An angry vampire is very dangerous.

491
wrenchwench  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:25:35am

re: #488 Anymouse

That looks like you might be able to fight off bandits with though.

My wife points out you could gouge someone’s eyes out pretty quickly with that.

Nice upgrade from the spoon.

I’ve seen them in titanium, but not from Park Tool.

492
Kragar  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:26:17am

re: #487 Nyet

493
Skip Intro  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:26:28am

Just another day in paradise.

494
ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:26:34am

re: #429 Anymouse

On the UCLA shooting, what’s the over/under on how long it takes some important wingnut claims the shooter is a Democrat?

Are wingnuts important?

Not in my world. I could do without them…

495
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:27:45am

re: #493 Skip Intro

496
sagehen  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:28:27am

re: #446 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s true as well. But you’re right. They had no idea what could have happened to that kid. It does suck the gorilla died but I’m glad the kid is okay more.

I’m glad the kid’s OK, but upset that the zoo was even faced with having to make the call. What’s wrong with their construction that the kid could even get in there in the first place?

497
Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:28:58am

re: #466 Nyet

Could be, but you can’t take the risk of doing nothing (or doing something too slowly) in such a situation. Hence: it’s just an animal. Humans take priority.

(Speciecist bigotry!!!//)

Even if the gorilla was simply playing with the boy, he would have killed him by accident. I am disappointed the gorilla had to be shot, but there was no reasonable way to get the child out safely. It was necessary, and I am sure the person who did the shooting did it in such a way as to prevent any more suffering of the gorilla than absolutely necessary.

I do think the enclosure should be examined however to see whether there was a failing in security and how it could be corrected (along with exhibits of other dangerous animals). Parents bring children to zoos all the time, not expecting the animals to be able to kill or maim their children.

498
Decatur Deb  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:29:50am

re: #495 Backwoods_Sleuth

Police search for 6-foot white male dressed in all black after two people shot dead at UCLA lat.ms

Another rogue Lincoln tribute cosplayer.

499
Romantic Heretic  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:30:13am

re: #479 HappyWarrior

I guess vampires aren’t too big on Italian food with all that garlic.

Only problem vampires have with garlic is the smell. They have much sharper senses than humans.

They can’t eat anything anyway. Their digestive system doesn’t work. They’re dead after all. So anything other than blood they ingest will sit there until it rots.

Note: This is my own vampire mythology that I use for my stories. I don’t actually know anything about vampires. Not even if they exist. Very unlikely and I sure hope not.

500
Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:30:40am

re: #490 Romantic Heretic

Doesn’t matter. The stake through the heart does have to be wood but doesn’t kill ‘em. Just paralyzes them.

Decapitation or dragging into sunlight will kill them.

Anything else just makes them mad. An angry vampire is very dangerous.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a documentary series.

501
Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:31:27am

re: #457 Nyet

I agree (also) with the second part, but the reaction I meant was “they had to do something else”/”it’s basically murder”. Talking about why we have zoos is legit.

And I end up being of two minds there. To a great extent, we can’t help but ruin habitat as mankind expands its range, so we WILL be killing off many species that are very narrowly adapted. At least in Zoos, those species can be preserved, living in the most comfortable artificial setting we can manage, and maybe one day reintroduce them to a safe habitat.

But that costs money, and space, and there doesn’t seem to be enough of either without having the animals where everybody can go look at them, which means zoos, which means containment issues like this one, or the idiots at the San Francisco Zoo a few years back who thought it would be fun to harass the tigers - what’s the worst that could happen? Turns out, an angry tiger can actually escape the enclosure, and come find you.

502
Romantic Heretic  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:32:12am

re: #484 Anymouse

So if I have a silver cross it works against both?

How about a silver Mogen David?

Either will work if you have actual, honest-to-God faith. Any article of faith will if you actually have faith.

But very few people are faithful. Believers? Lots of them. Faithful? Not so much.

503
Nyet  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:32:16am

re: #484 Anymouse

So if I have a silver cross it works against both?

How about a silver Mogen David?

Jewish Vampire “wrong type of Vampire”

504
Shiplord Kirel  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:32:16am

re: #436 Nyet

The brouhaha over the shooting is ridiculous. OK, it sucks that the beast is dead, but it’s just an animal, sorry.

Yep, I would have taken the shot, muttering “why me, lord?” as I did so.

505
Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:32:42am

re: #502 Romantic Heretic

Either will work if you have actual, honest-to-God faith. Any article of faith will is you actually have faith.

But very few people are faithful. Believers? Lots of them. Faithful? Not so much.

So I need to use “The God Delusion” then? Wingnuts claim atheism is a religion.

And what happens if the vampire is an atheist when he turns?

506
Romantic Heretic  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:33:11am

re: #493 Skip Intro

More human sacrifices to water the Tree of Liberty.

507
Decatur Deb  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:34:02am

re: #504 Shiplord Kirel

Yep, I would have taken the shot, muttering “why me, lord?” as I did so.

Correct answer: Make zoo exhibits toddler-proof. Architects need the work.

508
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:37:02am

I have a very soft spot for the Cincinnati Zoo and the gorillas there because I was part of the zoo’s volunteer team monitoring the gorillas when the lowland breeding program began more than 35 45 years ago. (edited to correct the timeframe…jeebus, I’m old.)
That said, I wasn’t there to witness this recent tragedy and wouldn’t even begin to think of second-guessing the zoo’s response.
I’m saddened the gorilla had to die, that the child is traumatized, and much of the public debate has been ill-informed.
The Cincinnati Zoo has been in the forefront of gorilla breeding, both at the zoo and in the wild in Africa, and has been extremely successful in increasing the lowland gorilla population in the wild and bringing it back from the brink of extinction.

509
Nyet  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:38:35am

re: #484 Anymouse

So if I have a silver cross it works against both?

How about a silver Mogen David?

Could be a spectacular failure tho.

Christian Vampires

510
dangerman  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:40:23am

re: #499 Romantic Heretic

Note: This is my own vampire mythology that I use for my stories. I don’t actually know anything about vampires. Not even if they exist. Very unlikely and I sure hope not.

i sleep ok knowing the population mathematics of zombies, vampires, werewolves, etc.

511
Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:41:42am

re: #510 dangerman

i sleep ok knowing the population mathematics of zombies, vampires, werewolves, etc.

So if I put a crossbar on my shotgun and load it with silver shot, I am good to go against all three of them, correct?

512
Decatur Deb  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:43:22am

Three very good vampire movies that do not follow the Bram Stoker or Anne Rice canons.

imdb.com

imdb.com

imdb.com

513
Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:45:37am

re: #510 dangerman

i sleep ok knowing the population mathematics of zombies, vampires, werewolves, etc.

Most vampire stories have to handwave around just how large an impact even a few vampires would have, even in a large urban setting. For example, Chicago, the city wingnuts LOVE to paint as some kind of mecca of death, had 468 murders last year. Let’s say there are maybe 100 vampires there, each feeding, let’s say once a week. That’s 5200 missing people a year, and 5200 bodies that either get found or need to be disposed of.

Someone would notice.

514
Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:47:26am

re: #511 Anymouse

So if I put a crossbar on my shotgun and load it with silver shot, I am good to go against all three of them, correct?

Shove a pencil stub down the barrel of a handgun loaded with silver bullets? (I read it in a Fred Saberhagen book)

515
dangerman  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:47:44am

re: #511 Anymouse

So if I put a crossbar on my shotgun and load it with silver shot, I am good to go against all three of them, correct?

i meant more like they probably don’t exist cause their populations would likely grow out of control. (i’m not always fun at parties)

516
dangerman  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:49:45am

re: #513 Blind Frog Belly White

Most vampire stories have to handwave around just how large an impact even a few vampires would have, even in a large urban setting. For example, Chicago, the city wingnuts LOVE to paint as some kind of mecca of death, had 468 murders last year. Let’s say there are maybe 100 vampires there, each feeding, let’s say once a week. That’s 5200 missing people a year, and 5200 bodies that either get found or need to be disposed of.

Someone would notice.

bingo.
and if they’re not being permanently killed off (whatever that means) faster than they are taking new victims, their population wouldn’t stop growing. unsustainable.

517
BeenHereAwhile  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:52:21am

re: #508 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have a very soft spot for the Cincinnati Zoo and the gorillas there because I was part of the zoo’s volunteer team monitoring the gorillas when the lowland breeding program began more than 35 45 years ago. (edited to correct the timeframe…jeebus, I’m old.)
That said, I wasn’t there to witness this recent tragedy and wouldn’t even begin to think of second-guessing the zoo’s response.
I’m saddened the gorilla had to die, that the child is traumatized, and much of the public debate has been ill-informed.
The Cincinnati Zoo has been in the forefront of gorilla breeding, both at the zoo and in the wild in Africa, and has been extremely successful in increasing the lowland gorilla population in the wild and bringing it back from the brink of extinction.

The male gorilla was on loan from Zoo Miami for breeding purposes.

518
Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:52:36am

Funny thing about vampire fiction - it changes with the times. In the late 1960s, Dark Shadows had a vampire who didn’t really want to kill women, but he had to keep doing it. He was a sympathetic character and women just LOVED him, and the show was very popular.

Fast forward to the 1990s, and a guy who runs around killing women he picks up in bars is no longer a sympathetic character, especially with women, even if he doesn’t enjoy it. Dark Shadows revival series lasts 12 episodes.

519
sagehen  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:52:48am

re: #513 Blind Frog Belly White

Most vampire stories have to handwave around just how large an impact even a few vampires would have, even in a large urban setting. For example, Chicago, the city wingnuts LOVE to paint as some kind of mecca of death, had 468 murders last year. Let’s say there are maybe 100 vampires there, each feeding, let’s say once a week. That’s 5200 missing people a year, and 5200 bodies that either get found or need to be disposed of.

Someone would notice.

But if they own a blood bank, they can skim more than enough in a city that size without having to actually kill anybody. (also… the stockyards. Maybe human blood is like 5-star dining, but cattle/sheep/etc is sufficient for all but the fussiest.)

520
Teukka  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:54:56am

re: #428 Blind Frog Belly White

[Embedded content]

“Have you tried Soylent Cola?”

“Is it any good?”

“It varies from person to person.”

GO TO YOUR ROOM!

521
Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:55:08am

re: #516 dangerman

bingo.
and if they’re not being permanently killed off (whatever that means) faster than they are taking new victims, their population wouldn’t stop growing. unsustainable.

Thus some mythologies have victims simply dying, rather than becoming undead themselves, and vampires having to CHOOSE to ‘turn’ a victim. The geometric progression from 1 kill = 1 new vampire would rapidly deplete the victim pool.

522
Jebediah, RBG  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:56:04am

re: #499 Romantic Heretic

Note: This is my own vampire mythology that I use for my stories. I don’t actually know anything about vampires. Not even if they exist. Very unlikely and I sure hope not.

Entirely unconvincing disclaimer, especially since I have NEVER seen you in daylight. Et tu, Nosferatu?

523
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:56:04am

re: #517 BeenHereAwhile

The male gorilla was on loan from Zoo Miami for breeding purposes.

Yes, he was.
The zoo was able to save some of his sperm after he was killed.

524
Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:56:05am

re: #519 sagehen

But if they own a blood bank, they can skim more than enough in a city that size without having to actually kill anybody. (also… the stockyards. Maybe human blood is like 5-star dining, but cattle/sheep/etc is sufficient for all but the fussiest.)

Yep, but it depends on your mythology again. Some limit feeding to humans.

525
ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:57:17am

re: #508 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have a very soft spot for the Cincinnati Zoo and the gorillas there because I was part of the zoo’s volunteer team monitoring the gorillas when the lowland breeding program began more than 35 45 years ago. (edited to correct the timeframe…jeebus, I’m old.)
That said, I wasn’t there to witness this recent tragedy and wouldn’t even begin to think of second-guessing the zoo’s response.
I’m saddened the gorilla had to die, that the child is traumatized, and much of the public debate has been ill-informed.
The Cincinnati Zoo has been in the forefront of gorilla breeding, both at the zoo and in the wild in Africa, and has been extremely successful in increasing the lowland gorilla population in the wild and bringing it back from the brink of extinction.

Along with the Columbus zoo who was the first at successfully breeding a captive ape…Colo!

From her Wiki Page

Colo (born December 22, 1956) is a western gorilla widely known as the first gorilla to be born in captivity anywhere in the world and as the oldest gorilla in captivity in the world. Colo was born at the Columbus Zoo and Aquarium to Millie Christina (mother) and Baron Macombo (father). She was briefly called Cuddles before a contest was held to officially name her. The contest was won by a Columbus native, Rita Cochren. Colo’s name is derived from the place of her birth, Columbus, Ohio.

She turned 59 late last year.

Here is a YouTube of her 57th birthday.

Colo’s 57th Birthday

By the way, the Columbus Zoo has come a long long way since those days and most of the zoo is less cage like and more open range.

Funny story. I made a bunch of signs for some apartments in Columbus back in the early 80s. One of the complexes was called Olde Cape Colony.

About a month after installing the signs we got a call someone had taken some of the letters off the sign base. What was left Old_ _ape Colo__.

We laughed and laughed when we saw that. The complex management didn’t understand until we told them of Colo the ape.

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Anymouse  Jun 1, 2016 • 11:57:50am

re: #518 Blind Frog Belly White

Funny thing about vampire fiction - it changes with the times. In the late 1960s, Dark Shadows had a vampire who didn’t really want to kill women, but he had to keep doing it. He was a sympathetic character and women just LOVED him, and the show was very popular.

Fast forward to the 1990s, and a guy who runs around killing women he picks up in bars is no longer a sympathetic character, especially with women, even if he doesn’t enjoy it. Dark Shadows revival series lasts 12 episodes.

My sister was a fan of the show. My mother banned her from watching it because it gave her nightmares, but she insisted on watching it every day after school.

527
dangerman  Jun 1, 2016 • 12:12:59pm

re: #521 Blind Frog Belly White

math. how’s it work again?

528
dangerman  Jun 1, 2016 • 12:15:08pm

re: #524 Blind Frog Belly White

Yep, but it depends on your mythology again. Some limit feeding to humans.

imagine that vampire senate session. if we don’t stop this now, they’ll be wanting to drink the blood of animals. where does it stop?

edited for: would a bakery have to serve them?

529
BeachDem  Jun 1, 2016 • 12:15:48pm

re: #479 HappyWarrior

I guess vampires aren’t too big on Italian food with all that garlic.

You callin’ me a vampire, sonny?
//

530
Nojay UK  Jun 1, 2016 • 12:19:01pm

re: #519 sagehen

A friend of mine has introduced vampires into a series of novels he writes. They’re not standard Dracula vampires (crosses and silver do bupkis to them) but they do have extreme photosensitivity (multiculturalism is a big benefit with burkas being commonplace these days) and a craving for blood. The bad news is that the blood has to be from a living human being and consumption of it slowly kills the donor by psychic link. The government has made a seriously unethical arrangement with the PHANGS (Photogolic Hemophagic Anagathic Neurotropic Guys) to supply them with blood from terminal patients in exchange for Doing As They’re Told. Excrement eventuates.

531
The Vicious Babushka  Jun 1, 2016 • 12:44:57pm

re: #484 Anymouse

So if I have a silver cross it works against both?

How about a silver Mogen David?

Silver challah knife! But a silver Mogen David would work as well as a ninja star.

532
Wile E. Wonka  Jun 1, 2016 • 12:49:45pm

re: #144 Franklin

Hello from lurker land! I know I’m late to the party here, but as a card-carrying Northeast Leftie folk & Americana musician, I wanted to recommend a coupla things.

First, anything in the world that Chris Thile has been part of. Nickel Creek, Punch Brothers, and his solo work or duo stuff with Mark O’Connor:

The Greatest Improv Mandolin Solo Ever: Chris Thile w. Mark O’Connor

Chris is apparently also replacing Garrison Keillor as the host of Prairie Home Companion, fer cryin’ out loud.

Then there’s “alt country”. Someone already mentioned Lucinda Williams and Steve Earle, and there’s a whole lot else going on in that crowd. So much skill and class, from duos like Shovels & Rope, ex-duos like the Civil Wars, country rockers like the Old 97’s and the Drive-By Truckers, new supergroups like Trigger Hippy and the incredible teamup of Tedeschi & Trucks… or if her taste runs quieter, there’s a wonderful vein of compassionate country and folk that stretches from John Denver right past Emmylou Harris and the whole damn Wainwright family, through Dave Carter (RIP) & Tracy Grammer, around Townes Van Zandt (RIP), and on into present-day regional up-and-comers like the Young Novelists, Spuyten Duyvil, the Hello Strangers, and me and my friends. :)

Enjoy!

533
Jebediah, RBG  Jun 1, 2016 • 12:58:44pm

re: #532 Wile E. Wonka

Looks like I have some new things to look for and listen to…as for Chris Thile, a few years ago I bought a cheap mandolin (I had never tried playing one before) and was ever so disappointed that I actually did not sound like him when I tried to play it.

534
Donkey With No Name  Jun 1, 2016 • 3:32:16pm

re: #530 Nojay UK

You’re friends with Charles Stross?


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