It was recorded from the audience so the sound isn’t top quality — but it’s more than good enough to appreciate this amazing performance by Joe Bonamassa, Anton Fig and Michael Rhodes, ripping through a classic song by Jimi Hendrix and making it their own.
It’s a shameless plug, I know, but I just updated gotnwes.com to more closely match Rage Furby’s site. He’s apparently found enough money to pay someone to clean up the design of his site with a custom theme.
I don’t have the money or the inclination to follow suit. So I made do with a free WP theme.
Here’s the amazing/sad thing about Trump.
Ask a veteran politician what are the worst things a Presidential candidate could do to derail his campaign.
Listen to the answer and the realize Trump did ALL OF THAT and probably even WORSE and STILL got elected.
You know what that means?
The political rulebook has been thrown into the fire and burned to ashes.
Presidential campaigns will never be what they used to be.
8 years of Obama: “WE WON’T BE QUIET! WE’RE GONNA TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!
3 days of Trump: “Protestors need to get over it & go home.”— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 12, 2016
re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg
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He is so fucking crazy.
That’s what happens when you get exposed to Limbaugh as a child like he did.
re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg
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He is so fucking crazy.
If I see him coming on the street with an armband, he’s getting it first, and getting it twice. Same goes for Milo.
And I’m not talking about cupcakes.
“And that’s all I have to say about that.”
A young Joe Biden lookin’ like he’d steal your girl from you with ease pic.twitter.com/dA64S0yZb1
— (((R. Saddler))) (@Politics_PR) November 12, 2016
re: #6 Pawn of the Oppressor
If I see him coming on the street with an armband, he’s getting it first, and getting it twice. Same goes for Milo.
And I’m not talking about cupcakes.
“And that’s all I have to say about that.”
I hope Milo Y ends up having a disabling and extremely embarrassing accident with one of his sex toys (you just know he has a collection of really kinky hardware).
re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg
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He is so fucking crazy.
Funny how the guy on the subway turned into a “hysterical SJW”.
Perfect sign and current mood.
Many Trump protesters say this is the first time they’ve protested anything https://t.co/nhOWKuOrzx pic.twitter.com/ioDWVWhXka
— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) November 12, 2016
re: #9 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Funny how the guy on the subway turned into a “hysterical SJW”.
I’d rather be a SJW than whatever it is conservatives are.
I think from what I’m learning. I’d like Van Jones to be the next DNC Chair. He’s not in office, he fits what we want to sell our party as, and he’s definitely not old guard too.
re: #13 HappyWarrior
I think from what I’m learning. I’d like Van Jones to be the next DNC Chair. He’s not in office, he fits what we want to sell our party as, and he’s definitely not old guard too.
And he knows all about how turds can and cannot be polished.
re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg
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He is so fucking crazy.
It just amazes me that anyone can look at all these so-called BREAKING! stories and not start giggling. It’s a cornucopia of pure crap.
re: #14 ipsos
And he knows all about how turds can and cannot be polished.
Yep and he’s got fight in him too and organizing experience. I like Dean’s past work but I think it’s time for someone new.
Best friend’s iPhone has borked. It is stuck on the Apple Screen, and won’t move forward. She had not backed up for a bit, and doesn’t want to lose any pictures or video.
Is there anything that can be done aside from restore, which would wipe out that Data? Please help me help her.
re: #15 Charles Johnson
It just amazes me that anyone can look at all these so-called BREAKING! stories and not start giggling. It’s a cornucopia of pure crap.
If you muted the sound on that video, someone who doesn’t know Chuck would assume the schlemiel in the red ball cap was the “SJW” and the well dressed guy talking to him was the editor and CEO of something. Chuck looks like one of those New Yorkers who ride the subway all day because they have nothing else better to do.
re: #17 Ziggy_TARDIS
Best friend’s iPhone has borked. It is stuck on the Apple Screen, and won’t move forward. She had not backed up for a bit, and doesn’t want to lose any pictures or video.
Is there anything that can be done aside from restore, which would wipe out that Data? Please help me help her.
Tried any of these methods?
re: #19 Ziggy_TARDIS
Please help me….
No idea. Maybe let it run out of battery and try charging it? Other than that I got nothing.
re: #8 EPR-radar
I hope Milo Y ends up having a disabling and extremely embarrassing accident with one of his sex toys (you just know he has a collection of really kinky hardware).
That’s fine if he does. I’m past the point of wanting hilarious karmic outcomes for these kids. I don’t have any middle civil ground for them, should I find myself subject to one of their little harassment videos. If I end up being the guy who goes to jail for making their asses cash the checks they keep writing with their mouths… So be it.
I’m just saying, if they somehow cross that line with me personally, they’re not getting pulled punches. And if they’re out cos-playing SA as part of the new Drumpfpolizei and things come to *that*, I won’t miss, and I’ll follow up to make sure.
No threat, just fact.
re: #19 Ziggy_TARDIS
Please help me….
I feel stupid for saying this, but try turning it off and back on again…? Does it not respond at all to the power button?
re: #20 VegasGolfer
She tried the hard reset.
re: #23 Pawn of the Oppressor
She tries restarting, goes to the same point. Tried hard reset, did the same.
re: #19 Ziggy_TARDIS
Please help me….
Was it after an update? She might need to sync it to a computer to finish it up, I know there was some issues with that in the first iOS10 update.
Please accept this invitation to take your BS and go fuck yourself.https://t.co/Bz4RopOcth @LunarPandorium @guy_jin
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 12, 2016
re: #28 Kragar
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Wingnut friend is whining about the protesters not a word the assholes doing shit like this and he has the nerve to say Republicans and conservatives don’t act like that. My brother thankfully called him out.
re: #15 Charles Johnson
It just amazes me that anyone can look at all these so-called BREAKING! stories and not start giggling. It’s a cornucopia of pure crap.
In his retelling of the subway story, Chuck refers to “our leader Trump.” He might as well just start wearing a uniform and decorating his den with portraits of the Great Leader.
Wow, and here I would have thought it would all be smooth sailing from now on!
NEW: Internecine squabbling breaks out inside Trump’s transition planning efforts.https://t.co/noE3EPiPqX
— Kenneth P. Vogel (@kenvogel) November 12, 2016
re: #30 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
In his retelling of the subway story, Chuck refers to “our leader Trump.” He might as well just start wearing a uniform and decorating his den with portraits of the Great Leader.
He worshipped Cruz too. Guy loves the idea of a totalitarian right wing dictatorship and nothing has changed my mind.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA “@Green_Footballs: Hillary Clinton wins New York. That’s a big one with 29 electoral votes.”
— Yes, Nick $earcy! (@yesnicksearcy) November 12, 2016
Thought I’d RT this, just for fun. Enjoy. RT @Green_Footballs Hillary Clinton wins New York. That’s a big one with 29 electoral votes.
— Kurt Schlichter (@KurtSchlichter) November 12, 2016
re: #31 bratwurst
Wow, and here I would have thought it would all be smooth sailing from now on!
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They all deserve to be miserable together.
re: #33 Charles Johnson
Nick needs to see someone about his stalking habit.
You dimwits are so cute when you gloat. @yesnicksearcy @KurtSchlichter
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 12, 2016
re: #32 HappyWarrior
He worshipped Cruz too. Guy loves the idea of a totalitarian right wing dictatorship and nothing has changed my mind.
He’s a born Nazi. That’s what’s behind my feelings posted above.
It was all fun and games… WAS.
re: #40 Pawn of the Oppressor
He’s a born Nazi. That’s what’s behind my feelings posted above.
It was all fun and games… WAS.
Yep.
re: #31 bratwurst
Wow, and here I would have thought it would all be smooth sailing from now on!
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We’re going to be so not corrupt, we’re gonna have the best people, the best not corruption, not like this disastuh we have now… Et cetera, ad nauseam
I wonder if Dump will resign or give up the office early on. He’s already wondering if he can be President from Trump tower. I could see him leveraging his victory as “A way to bring attention to the plight of the working people, which we will now cover on Trump TV” and hand it all over to Pence.
This assumes humility not in evidence, of course.
re: #40 Pawn of the Oppressor
He’s a born Nazi. That’s what’s behind my feelings posted above.
It was all fun and games… WAS.
No arguments from me. He’s a natural authoritarian. I’m pretty sure he admires Peter Thiel, too. Thiel has no love for democracy.
re: #32 HappyWarrior
He worshipped Cruz too. Guy loves the idea of a totalitarian right wing dictatorship and nothing has changed my mind.
He has delusions of being one of the “elite” ruling class that will be established. And then he can freely bully and take revenge without consequence on all those individuals and groups that have wronged him in the past by refusing to recognize his elitenicity.
Well, you know, Democracy is for the weak. It gives power to the unfit, to the parasites, to the lesser races. It takes a great man like Trump to restore the greatness of the white race, which has until now been so corroded by impure blood and internationalist conspiracy. But now, there’s been a reckoning! Time to restore white man to his rightful place as master of the universe!
And if you’re too fat, too obnoxious, and too poor of a shot with a rifle to be of any good to the marching ranks of beautiful pure soldaten, well, you can always pick fights on the subway.
Dumbass, it’s a web series, not a class. Run along now. @DemWithHer @Green_Footballs
— Yes, Nick $earcy! (@yesnicksearcy) November 12, 2016
You have to admit, Nick does a good impression of an empty-headed angry right wing dope. @yesnicksearcy @DemWithHer
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 12, 2016
re: #15 Charles Johnson
It just amazes me that anyone can look at all these so-called BREAKING! stories and not start giggling. It’s a cornucopia of pure crap.
Not really any different than Dim Jim, only dumber. Dim Jim is like the lesser Drudge/Jones and Rage is even dumber than that. It’s a fight to the very bottom.
re: #42 Pawn of the Oppressor
I said downstairs that Trump had better not take the Nuclear Football home with him. I’d rather see Pence keep it. I still don’t trust Pence any further than I can punch him, but he is at least housebroken.
re: #44 Feline Fearless Leader
He has delusions of being one of the “elite” ruling class that will be established. And then he can freely bully and take revenge without consequence on all those individuals and groups that have wronged him in the past by refusing to recognize his elitenicity.
My ancestors went to war with black boots on their feet and the Reichsadler over their breast pockets… And I’d be happy to correct his self-perceptions, if sufficiently provoked.
Oh, you want to add me to your “White Genocide” list? Thanks, but I’d rather not. Please say hello to my good friend the block button.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 12, 2016
I’m not sure there’s any casting need for Nick Searcy when you could get J.K. Simmons.
re: #51 jaunte
I’m not sure there’s any casting need for Nick Searcy when you could get J.K. Simmons.
It kills me, but I think Searcy did a pretty damn good job playing Deke Slayton in From the Earth to the Moon; even now, I’ll be damned if I let his supreme assholishness keep me from enjoying it whenever I want to watch it again, because there’s a whole lot more great performances from other actors and actresses throughout the miniseries, some better than his (for example, Kevin Pollack and James Rebhorn’s as Joe Shea and “Stormy” Harrison in the episode “Apollo 1”).
Graham: Cruz should be on Supreme Court shortlist https://t.co/udd7ObnmHe | AP Photo pic.twitter.com/PSIf6tCZdX
— POLITICO (@politico) November 12, 2016
Ted Cruz on the Supreme Court https://t.co/t00M2oDkhK
— Liam Stack (@liamstack) November 12, 2016
re: #54 Charles Johnson
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Anything to get Rafael out of the Senate…Don’t say we didn’t warn people!
Meanwhile Hugh Hewitt BSing on BSRNC that the Republicans should expand the Supreme Court to 15 members and pack them with young right wingers.
re: #56 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Foodie alert! Sachsmo is yet another of my former students, and is now editor of Saveur.
saveur.com
re: #42 Pawn of the Oppressor
We’re going to be so not corrupt, we’re gonna have the best people, the best not corruption, not like this disastuh we have now… Et cetera, ad nauseam
I wonder if Dump will resign or give up the office early on. He’s already wondering if he can be President from Trump tower. I could see him leveraging his victory as “A way to bring attention to the plight of the working people, which we will now cover on Trump TV” and hand it all over to Pence.
This assumes humility not in evidence, of course.
Yeah—what a bunch of bullshit that he doesn’t want to spend much time in the White House. You applied for a job that required relocating, asswipe, not telecommuting.
Since the country is falling apart and broke and a disahstah, we cannot afford to schlep your hideous body back and forth from NY to DC nor the cost of maintaining your security at both residences.
What a fucking clown. And an asshole. And an ignorant one at that.
I’m not getting any better—still maintaining the John Cole stages of grief:
1.) Anger
2.) More Anger
3.) Fuck You
4.) Random lashing out
5.) Fuck you and anger and lashing out
The hamburger extension works on some sites (cuts down on the times I have to actually see the fucking yam’s face) and I still haven’t turned on a news channel since Tuesday. As horribly sad and angry and disgusted as I feel, I know that if I watched those simpering fools treating this nightmare as if it were perfectly normal, I would throw heavy objects through my tv.
I just really don’t see any way out of the way I feel. I don’t see any silver linings, and I don’t see any light at the end of any tunnel because I believe there’s been a landslide that will block it for the next 40 years. I think we are well and truly fucked—with the presidency in the hands of an insane moron, both houses in the hands of mean, vindictive assholes, the courts about to be packed with far-right ideologues and a cabinet full of miscreants and monsters, I just don’t find anything to be optimistic about.
I’m sad to say I keep thinking it’s always darkest before the light totally go out and plunge us into an abyss.
And on top of all that, I’m supposed to feel bad that no national Democrats went to fucking Nebraska. Spit.
re: #56 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I’m pretty sure that Obama politely sank a cold shiv into Trump when he indirectly let him know, by easy references to numbers, countries, leaders, and law, just how much of the job that Trump was completely ignorant of, and unprepared for.
re: #59 jaunte
I’m pretty sure that Obama politely sank a cold shiv into Trump when he indirectly let him know, by easy references to numbers, countries, leaders, and law, just how much of the job that Trump was completely ignorant of, and unprepared for.
I’d love to have been a fly on the wall during that meeting.
re: #58 BeachDem
The only reason I kept a cable box was to watch AlJazzera America for news. When that shut down there was no reason to keep the box. If I want to listen to Rachel or Lawrence I have Sirius XM.
I don’t regret dumping the cable box and replacing it with an Apple TV. Now i just pay for HBO, Showtime and Starz without seeing part of the cable bill going to finance channels I never watched—including pulpit pimp preachers and 19th Century Fox.
re: #58 BeachDem
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re: #62 klys (maker of Silmarils)
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re: #60 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I’d love to have been a fly on the wall during that meeting.
What I want to see is video from that meeting of The Vulgar Talking Yam’s face at the moment (if any) that it first sunk in that this is not a TV reality show or scripted pro-wrestling entertainment.
Looks like the culprit of the UPenn messages was an OU student.
re: #57 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Foodie alert! Sachsmo is yet another of my former students, and is now editor of Saveur.
saveur.com
Pretty damn huge!
re: #64 EPR-radar
What I want to see is video from that meeting of The Vulgar Talking Yam’s face at the moment (if any) that it first sunk in that this is not a TV reality show or scripted pro-wrestling entertainment.
Meanwhile the Chris Cillizzas and Mark Halperins of the DC Press Corpse BS about how Trump will “grow into the job”.
Yeah…like mold grows on bread…
re: #58 BeachDem
If you take the long view, its hard to avoid seeing a pattern of steadily increasing GOP power and influence ever since the civil rights realignment.
They became the scum of the earth in their lust for power, and so far it’s working out very well for them.
re: #60 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I’d love to have been a fly on the wall during that meeting.
I hope to hell it was filmed.
re: #67 Joe Bacon
Meanwhile the Chris Cillizzas and Mark Halperins of the DC Press Corpse BS about how Trump will “grow into the job”.
Yeah…like mold grows on bread…
That simile is much too benign. Trump on the job is like stage IV cancer going everywhere.
re: #64 EPR-radar
What I want to see is video from that meeting of The Vulgar Talking Yam’s face at the moment (if any) that it first sunk in that this is not a TV reality show or scripted pro-wrestling entertainment.
There was that one capture from the video that has Trump looking like a deer caught in the headlights.
re: #70 EPR-radar
That simile is much too benign. Trump on the job is like stage IV cancer going everywhere.
Tribblehead deserves a brand new category to describe him—Stage V…
re: #66 Stanley Sea
Pretty damn huge!
Yeah, we were all impressed when he was hired a few years ago.
re: #72 Joe Bacon
Tribblehead deserves a brand new category to describe him—Stage V…
The only way to get rid of a stage V Trumphhroid is to nuke it from orbit.
re: #69 Stanley Sea
I hope to hell it was filmed.
Something tells me that Putin had a bug on Trump and he and his pals were munching the popcorn and laughing their asses off hearing the Friendly Socratic Dialogue Tribblehead was having with Obama…
re: #75 Joe Bacon
Something tells me that Putin had a bug on Trump and he and his pals were munching the popcorn and laughing their asses off hearing the Friendly Socratic Dialogue Tribblehead was having with Obama…
That will probably happen once Trump is POTUS. For now I expect that White House security remains competent and would have caught a wire on Trump.
I have no words.
Young people gave Hillary 1,200 roses.
Hillary came and left one for each of her campaign’s staff. “Think of the hope it represents”. pic.twitter.com/qMc6oBWait— Samy Nemir Olivares (@Samynemir) November 12, 2016
Hillary came and left one for each of her campaign’s staff. “Think of the hope”
re: #62 klys (maker of Silmarils)
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re: #78 BeachDem
While doing what I can do politically, at the same time, I will be going into my faith more. I do feel that, warmth, I guess, that I haven’t felt since I was in High School.
OK, I am now officially sick of the latest hip adjectives “woke” and “based,” because the people who use them are neither.
This was left on my friend’s windshield in Shelby, NC. pic.twitter.com/DHipuOFR1r
— Stephanie McKellop (@McKellogs) November 11, 2016
re: #63 klys (maker of Silmarils)
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re: #78 BeachDem
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I posted an uplifting one, now a depressing one.
I gotta balance
Trump wants to keep holding rallies as POTUS.
What other malignant narcissist leader did that? 🤔
Pay. Attention.https://t.co/fibQpxIyxp pic.twitter.com/DsYT7xatHq
re: #77 Stanley Sea
I have no words.
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Young people gave Hillary 1,200 roses.Hillary came and left one for each of her campaign’s staff. “Think of the hope”
Damn. Crying again—but this is like the crying earlier reading Robby Mook’s email— guess it’s progress of a sort.
re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg
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re: #85 BeachDem
Damn. Crying again—but this is like the crying earlier reading Robby Mook’s email— guess it’s progress of a sort.
I just talked to a friend (Hillary voter) she started to do some of the bullshit rationalization. Not all Trump voters etc. I gave her the cinemax with HBO analogy, seems like she got it. Then I cut her off, no more. Way too soon.
re: #81 Kragar
This slope-browed knuckle-dragging oxygen thief is doubtless terrified of the possibility that a gay man might look at him the way he looks at women.
Good. May he spend the rest of his miserable life consumed by that fear while suffering various disabling psychosomatic ailments caused by it.
Shitbird here would probably get all bent out of shape if he were called ‘deplorable’.
re: #83 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Right now I’m occupying myself with getting ready for our women’s group meeting next week—interestingly, we had already arranged to have a speaker from the Family Justice Center, which is our org. to help abused women. It will be a good way to get people thinking about positive things they can do for others.
And I’m currently kicking myself for not making Thanksgiving flight reservations earlier—right now, the flights are over $500, unless I want to fly out at 10:30 at night and come home at 5 in the morning. Sigh.
re: #84 Stanley Sea
I posted an uplifting one, now a depressing one.
I gotta balance
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What is he, fucking 3 years old? Dog, what a total and complete asshole he is.
I still like the comment left on that Slate article about the purist lefty who just couldn’t bring herself to vote for Hillary—
It’s like you had sex without a condom and now we have Rosemary’s baby as our president.
I cannot believe what a horrible year it has been. And it’s not even over.
re: #89 BeachDem
Right now I’m occupying myself with getting ready for our women’s group meeting next week—interestingly, we had already arranged to have a speaker from the Family Justice Center, which is our org. to help abused women. It will be a good way to get people thinking about positive things they can do for others.
And I’m currently kicking myself for not making Thanksgiving flight reservations earlier—right now, the flights are over $500, unless I want to fly out at 10:30 at night and come home at 5 in the morning. Sigh.
We’re struggling to sort out what we’re doing for Thanksgiving. (It’s not going home, that’s way too much travel time and $$ to bother with.) We had been planning to go to the Saline Valley, but his Subaru is still not fixed and they’ve all but confirmed that it’s not happening before Thanksgiving - they can’t even say they’ll have the parts by then. It’s only been since the end of July since we were informed that the passenger seat shouldn’t be used.
(Yes, I could ride in the back, but for this trip in particular we need the extra packing space by folding down the backseats. And my car isn’t really in the right shape to do this amount of bad-road driving, not to mention it should really have a multi-point inspection before we do a long road trip anyway.)
Combine that with a desire to be aware of where our travel dollars are going and how those areas feel …I don’t know what the hell we’re going to do. I have to make decisions within a week to cancel the hotel though.
re: #87 Stanley Sea
I just talked to a friend (Hillary voter) she started to do some of the bullshit rationalization. Not all Trump voters etc. I gave her the cinemax with HBO analogy, seems like she got it. Then I cut her off, no more. Way too soon.
OK—what’s the cinemax with HBO analogy—sounds like it might be useful going forward.
re: #87 Stanley Sea
I just talked to a friend (Hillary voter) she started to do some of the bullshit rationalization. Not all Trump voters etc. I gave her the cinemax with HBO analogy, seems like she got it. Then I cut her off, no more. Way too soon.
The intent of Trump voters is completely irrelevant. Whether they voted for Trump hoping for a KKK dictatorship or hoping for a communist utopia makes not the slightest difference in the results of a Trump presidency.
re: #84 Stanley Sea
Great. Now we know what form Trump’s Reichstag Fire is likely to take. A staged disturbance at one of his psychotic rallies after he is President.
These images from the Comedy Wildlife Photography Awards is just what we needed for our #Friday 😅 https://t.co/oJFDS9gbFY pic.twitter.com/5YlnzL3qcq
— Oceans 2 Earth (@Oceans2EarthVol) November 11, 2016
re: #95 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Here’s a jewel from the comments on Scalzi’s article:
Occam’s Racist: The notion that when confronted with multiple competing hypotheses for why a person supported racist actions, the simplest and best explanation is that they are actually a racist.
re: #96 EPR-radar
Great. Now we know what form Trump’s Reichstag Fire is likely to take. A staged disturbance at one of his psychotic rallies after he is President.
And we know the only reason he wanted to be president was to win and have adoring fans. He really does see it all as a reality show—and a bunch of hateful morons voted to keep him on the island.
Most of today went to stitching. Or beading, more specifically. This is supposed to be a Christmas present.
Almost done. pic.twitter.com/LJdzLBPlkk
— sylk (@sylk) November 12, 2016
re: #85 BeachDem
And she’s a “dishonest, corrupt, b——!”
I am NOT apologizing for liking her, supporting her or voting for her.
Where have all the wildflowers gone?
re: #102 Sherlock Hound
And she’s a “dishonest, corrupt, b——!”
I am NOT apologizing for liking her, supporting her or voting for her.
Yeah, me neither. I only wish I had accomplished as much and helped as many people in my life as she has.
I said it today, while crying with a friend, in retrospect, history will probably show that we were not worthy of having her as president.
re: #104 BeachDem
Yeah, me neither. I only wish I had accomplished as much and helped as many people in my life as she has.
I said it today, while crying with a friend, in retrospect, history will probably show that we were not worthy of having her as president.
That’s how I see it as well. If all of the partisan political issues are stripped away from this election, it came down to a choice between a civilized person and a barbarian. The barbarian won.
Ethan Coen. Read this
Trump team rivalries spark infighting
A handful of sources in and around the Trump transition team said there was no evidence that the president-elect had even reviewed any of the binders of policy and personnel proposals produced by the team. Trump’s only contact with the transition staff, the sources said, had come through Christie, the New Jersey governor and transition team chief who was demoted on Friday from transition team chairman to being one of several vice chairs.
Which comes as a surprise to none of us.
From a Russian journalist:
www2.nybooks.com
re: #84 Stanley Sea
I posted an uplifting one, now a depressing one.
I gotta balance
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re: #110 goddamnedfrank
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Next generation Nintendo console uses that too. Don’t pull out too soon.
Broke down and booked flights for Thanksgiving—guess I’ll be at wingnut brother’s that day (but all of the rest of the family are die hard Dems, so I’ll be insulated, I hope.
Went for price over flight times—$360 cheaper, which should pay for limo service if the buses aren’t running and still leave money over.
Going is no problem—10:30 pm flight, gets in at 12:30 am; coming back is the killer 5:15 am flight, which means leaving for the airport at about 3:30—I don’t know why I’m whining, I’m usually still up then anyway.
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re: #113 goddamnedfrank
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re: #113 goddamnedfrank
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re: #114 William Lewis
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re: #117 goddamnedfrank
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re: #118 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Better than many… O_o
re: #119 William Lewis
Better than many… O_o
I’m not opposed to doing something to learn at least the basics, but I have no interest in owning so it’s remained a theoretical thing.
Also I’d want to be very careful about who I talked to about learning those basics, because this is admittedly something of a touchy issue for me.
Log Cabin Republicans: Send Money So We Can Save LGBT Advances Made Under President Obama https://t.co/2WbZkUf92t pic.twitter.com/wHYDJSIuY0
— Instinct Magazine (@instinctmag) November 11, 2016
I mean … https://t.co/UeOlOtJXuw
— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 12, 2016
re: #121 goddamnedfrank
The Log Cabin Republicans should just see if Peter Thiel will fund them.
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re: #58 BeachDem
… cut …
And on top of all that, I’m supposed to feel bad that no national Democrats went to fucking Nebraska. Spit.
I’m back.
I didn’t say you had to feel bad. I implied you should not be surprised.
We get one-sided propaganda here. Then you wonder why my state went the way it did.
I know one thing’s for sure, I ain’t writing any articles for my local paper for the next four years. I legitimately fear for my safety, and I can’t move.
Thank you for your support. And by the way, not all Red states are so-called taker states (another slur). This one pays right about what it paid in.
re: #123 teleskiguy
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re: #124 Anymouse
Reminder: BeachDem lives in a state just as red as yours.
But it’s on the coast, so I guess it doesn’t count.
re: #126 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Reminder: BeachDem lives in a state just as red as yours.
But it’s on the coast, so I guess it doesn’t count.
I don’t know which red state on the coast Mr. Beach lives in; I was homeless in South Carolina if that makes a difference.
My wife did her part for veteran homelessness: She married me. (::
re: #126 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Reminder: BeachDem lives in a state just as red as yours.
But it’s on the coast, so I guess it doesn’t count.
To be fair the demographics on the coast are shifting in the right direction. Anymouse’s area of Nebraska might as well be the Moon compared to the Carolinas in terms of how much shit changes. You should check it out sometime, it’ll fuck you up how different it is from NorCal.
re: #58 BeachDem
And on top of all that, I’m supposed to feel bad that no national Democrats went to fucking Nebraska. Spit.
The Libertarian Party found time and money for it.
re: #128 goddamnedfrank
To be fair the demographics on the coast are shifting in the right direction. Anymouse’s area is Nebraska might as well be the Moon compared to the Carolinas in terms of how much shit changes. You should check it out sometime, it’ll fuck you up how different it is from NorCal.
The Sandhills even look a bit like the Moon (albeit with grass growing on them and cattle all over them). (::
re: #125 goddamnedfrank
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Mostly *Thank You* for being God damned.
:)
re: #128 goddamnedfrank
To be fair the demographics on the coast are shifting in the right direction. Anymouse’s area is Nebraska might as well be the Moon compared to the Carolinas in terms of how much shit changes. You should check it out sometime, it’ll fuck you up how different it is from NorCal.
Oh, I’ve been through NE. And rural WY, as well as what passes for urban WY. NorCal is different from NJ which is different from rural WI which is different from MD which is different from urban NC. I’ve spent time in all of them.
A lot of people never really leave the area they were born, but I don’t have that particular issue. (Plenty of others.)
re: #58 BeachDem
And on top of all that, I’m supposed to feel bad that no national Democrats went to fucking Nebraska. Spit.
We have no state Green Party here, but they managed to organise a petition drive to get Dr. Jill Stein on the ballot. The Greens spent more money here than the Democrats.
The Greens advertised in my local paper. They even got one vote in my town.
I’ll bet this time in four years we have a Nebraska Green Party. (We already have a Nebraska Libertarian Party, which did its darndest to run candidates for all the state offices up on offer. Dems, not so much.)
re: #128 goddamnedfrank
P.S Klys I don’t mean to imply you haven’t seen some deep red areas, just that panhandle Nebraska is a whole other world. Anymouse has half a point in that Nebraska District 2 is competitive, Omaha is a major city and Obama won an EV there in 2008. Lincoln might be worth going after a House of Reps seat but nothing more. Fighting for the rest of the State is crazy though in my opinion.
re: #126 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Reminder: BeachDem lives in a state just as red as yours.
But it’s on the coast, so I guess it doesn’t count.
And I live really close to the beach, so I’m even more elite than most!
(and once the primaries are over Dems never set foot in this state.)
Again, I say that the national orgs are not going to give money or much support to red state Dems until those states do the work to build the party on local and state levels. It has nothing to do with coastal elites or looking down on mid-country (I dare not call them flyover) states.
You gotta do the bottom up work to get any attention from the top.
Now, I have my own beef with some of the national orgs (the DCCC even more than the DNC), and I don’t give them any money, but I work to help our local candidates with time, money, fundraisers, etc. They usually don’t win, but you have to start somewhere and that’s how you have to do it.
re: #134 goddamnedfrank
P.S Klys I don’t mean to imply you haven’t seen some deep red areas, just that panhandle Nebraska is a whole other world. Anymouse has half a point in that Nebraska District 2 is competitive, Omaha is a major city and Obama won an EV there in 2008. Lincoln might be worth going after a House of Reps seat but nothing more. Fighting for the rest of the State is crazy though in my opinion.
Well, I can’t say if it’s crazy or not. I personally don’t think so, but I am not a national strategist. (On the other hand, the national strategists didn’t do so well.)
I didn’t think the Cubs would win the World Series, despite my wife insisting they would.
I didn’t think Donald Trump would win the election, despite my wife insisting he would.
Maybe my wife should run for state office. I sure as hell didn’t see this coming.
re: #135 BeachDem
And I live really close to the beach, so I’m even more elite than most!
(and once the primaries are over Dems never set foot in this state.)
Again, I say that the national orgs are not going to give money or much support to red state Dems until those states do the work to build the party on local and state levels. It has nothing to do with coastal elites or looking down on mid-country (I dare not call them flyover) states.
You gotta do the bottom up work to get any attention from the top.
Now, I have my own beef with some of the national orgs (the DCCC even more than the DNC), and I don’t give them any money, but I work to help our local candidates with time, money, fundraisers, etc. They usually don’t win, but you have to start somewhere and that’s how you have to do it.
The DCCC called during the election cycle asking for money.
I asked them “who are you running for Adrian Smith’s seat?”
(silence, then) No one.
Ah thanks, no then. I will support my local party. (Note my local party does not support me. All of them are a generation older than me. If nothing else, I should outlive them.)
re: #133 Anymouse
We have no state Green Party here, but they managed to organise a petition drive to get Dr. Jill Stein on the ballot. The Greens spent more money here than the Democrats.
The Greens advertised in my local paper. They even got one vote in my town.
I’ll bet this time in four years we have a Nebraska Green Party. (We already have a Nebraska Libertarian Party, which did its darndest to run candidates for all the state offices up on offer. Dems, not so much.)
The Greens are a cancer. They’re only in your town to fuck over any support the Democrats might otherwise be able to produce.
I mean if you want the Democrats to pay you lip service, fine. But the thing is there’s also a downside in that your area is so reactionary that giving people anything to get enraged against might only generate MORE votes for the Republicans. I’m sure the Democrats are doing targeted mail, but expecting a national surrogate to show up in Sidney and speak might end up with him getting ridden out of town on a rail.
re: #134 goddamnedfrank
P.S Klys I don’t mean to imply you haven’t seen some deep red areas, just that panhandle Nebraska is a whole other world. Anymouse has half a point in that Nebraska District 2 is competitive, Omaha is a major city and Obama won an EV there in 2008. Lincoln might be worth going after a House of Reps seat but nothing more. Fighting for the rest of the State is crazy though in my opinion.
I’m not going to dispute that we should have more of a presence in the state. I said so in my first reply back on Wednesday night. I’m just pragmatic too, and tired of the lack of nuance.
…I promised to put together some of my Japan photos for mr. klys to upload to look through with his parents tomorrow. Crap.
re: #124 Anymouse
I’m back.
I didn’t say you had to feel bad. I implied you should not be surprised.
We get one-sided propaganda here. Then you wonder why my state went the way it did.
I know one thing’s for sure, I ain’t writing any articles for my local paper for the next four years. I legitimately fear for my safety, and I can’t move.
Thank you for your support. And by the way, not all Red states are so-called taker states (another slur). This one pays right about what it paid in.
BTW—I don’t wonder why your state went the way it did any more than I wonder why mine did. That’s just the way it is—and change comes from the bottom up not the top down.
And taker states is not a slur—it’s a fact of life. And my state is the worst of the bunch: The Palmetto State receives $7.87 back from Washington for every $1 its citizens pay in federal tax.
re: #138 goddamnedfrank
The Greens are a cancer. They’re only in your town to fuck over any support the Democrats might otherwise be able to produce.
I mean if you want the Democrats to pay you lips service, fine. But the thing is there’s also a downside in that your area is so reactionary that giving people anything to get enraged against might only generate MORE votes for the Republicans. I’m sure the Democrats are doing targeted mail, but expecting a national surrogate to show up in Sidney and speak might end up with him getting ridden out of town on a rail.
I don’t recall where I read it today, but there was an argument that Hillary Clinton’s ground game was partially responsible for driving more Donald Trump voters to the polls.
I was her ground game here (I went to every person in town to get out the vote). I sure succeeded.
Perhaps the answer was the way Mr. Trump ran his campaign: Practically no ground game.
I recall all the fun Democrats made of the Republicans throwing their 2012 autopsy in the trash and doubling down on the crazy. I wonder what our autopsy report will look like?
I guess we’re still counting…
[…]
The official total — 4,362,087 ballots — will undoubtedly change and possibly even grow over the next few days. Three counties, including vote-rich San Diego County, did not submit an estimate of unprocessed ballots for Thursday night’s statewide report.
In addition, California law says that any ballot postmarked by election day can still be counted if it arrives as many as three business days late. State officials have extended this year’s deadline to Monday, because that third day, Nov. 11, is a federal holiday.
More than 1 million of the pending ballots — almost one of every four — remain to be sorted and counted in Los Angeles County. Three-fourths of the ballots statewide were cast absentee, with the rest being provisional ballots cast on election day by voters whose registration information could not be quickly verified.
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re: #140 BeachDem
BTW—I don’t wonder why your state went the way it did any more than I wonder why mine did. That’s just the way it is—and change comes from the bottom up not the top down.
And taker states is not a slur—it’s a fact of life. And my state is the worst of the bunch: The Palmetto State receives $7.87 back from Washington for every $1 its citizens pay in federal tax.
I agree that change has to come from the bottom up. Sometimes the bottom needs help from the top.
Democrats tend to use the term “taker state” the same way that Republicans use “taker” to refer to people on assistance: as a slur.
I honestly don’t understand why South Carolina votes the way it does. As I recall from my time there, the minority population is in fact the majority.
I recall an incident from the news where Governor Nikki Haley was making an address, and someone in the crowd yelled at her to “go back to her country.” Nikki Haley is from South Carolina.
chaos, infighting, and incompetence as trump team prepares to be incapable of governing
Didn’t go to a friend-of-my-sister’s tonight because, while he wasn’t a Buster, I’ve no doubt they’ll be doing a self-righteous post mortum and finding Clinton ultimately culpable.
‘Bernie would’ve won, all the polls showed it.’ Or a variation on this.
I maintain, having watched every day of her campaign, that she ran a strong race, never resting (except when she risked her health like that baller badass she is), hitting Trump mercilessly and never going wobbly in the face of racists, even where it admittedly cost her white votes. I’d rather have seen her lose than stoop to bargaining for votes from people who despise the coalition.
And people call her a focus-grouped, lack of conviction candidate.
Fuck that noise.
Not saying there weren’t mistakes. But it is inaccurate to suggest she didn’t run the tightest, most hopeful campaign with real vision, goals and policy.
I’m still with her.
re: #142 freetoken
I guess we’re still counting…
She may end up with a ~2 million or so popular vote lead when the ballots in all States are finally counted and certified. Our system is fucked.
re: #146 goddamnedfrank
Facebook wall is full of people, Drumpfskindanhangers, desperately trying to justify the EC with the usual stupid stuff.
re: #145 Alyosha
Mrs. Clinton ran a good campaign, and certainly deserves a rest from all the effort she put into it.
It was not good enough; she did not win. Like it or not, Mr. Trump’s campaign was the best campaign; he won the election.
I am truly in awe at how such a bombastic know-nothing did so well.
And we won’t even find out if he is the first candidate to make a profit on his campaign (as he said) because we won’t see his financial reports.
It’s truly unreal. Warren G Harding crossed with Richard Nixon. Gaaa.
re: #146 goddamnedfrank
Clinton’s CA totals have gone up by 300k since that article was published yesterday afternoon.
re: #148 Anymouse
It’s truly unreal. Warren G Harding crossed with Richard Nixon. Gaaa.
George Wallace crossed with Ross Perot.
re: #143 Anymouse
I agree that change has to come from the bottom up. Sometimes the bottom needs help from the top.
Democrats tend to use the term “taker state” the same way that Republicans use “taker” to refer to people on assistance: as a slur.
I honestly don’t understand why South Carolina votes the way it does. As I recall from my time there, the minority population is in fact the majority.
I recall an incident from the news where Governor Nikki Haley was making an address, and someone in the crowd yelled at her to “go back to her country.” Nikki Haley is from South Carolina.
I think the incident was someone calling her a derogatory name—oh, and it was a Republican legislator who did it.
The state is about 25-30% African American, and it has been gerrymandered so that the only minority majorty district is Jim Clyburn’s.
re: #141 Anymouse
From what I see from you, it requires pandering to Trump voters. And I guarangoddamnedtee the Green party didn’t spend more in Nebraska than the Democrat party, and I told you two days ago that the Nebraska legislature redistricted that electoral vote Obama got in 2008, so he didn’t get it in 2012.
And outside of language school and west point, my entire military career has been spent in red states, so seriously, for the last time, I would throw Nebraska’s entire republican electorate in a fire before I would change the Democratic party platform to focus on middle White America. I don’t think y’all understand how close you are to losing PoC right now, and without us, you have no base. Obviously. Republicans know this, that’s why their entire legislative focus at the state level is keeping us from the polls.
re: #148 Anymouse
She ran the better campaign PERIOD.
Her opponent trashed and threatened every single group outside of white America.
If that’s what a better campaign looks like then I don’t know what to tell you.
It was a molten, radioactive shitshow cobbled on the fly from start to finish.
White people love them some mediocrity methinks.
re: #151 BeachDem
I think the incident was someone calling her a derogatory name—oh, and it was a Republican legislator who did it.
The state is about 25-30% African American, and it has been gerrymandered so that the only minority majorty district is Jim Clyburn’s.
Well, the effort to ungerrymander the country will have to go into the 2018 election (since the census is in 2020 and many state legislatures will have the same people as elected in 2018).
I have no ideas on how to do that.
Lots of people on the left made fun of Scott Walker dropping out of college. He managed to get elected and survived his recall with a bunch of Koch money help.
Maybe I should run for governor. I’ve never been to college, maybe I can spin that as more qualified. /s
re: #152 Bass Reeves
From what I see from you, it requires pandering to Trump voters. And I guarangoddamnedtee the Green party didn’t spend more in Nebraska than the Democrat party, and I told you two days ago that the Nebraska legislature redistricted that electoral vote Obama got in 2008, so he didn’t get it in 2012.
And outside of language school and west point, my entire military career has been spent in red states, so seriously, for the last time, I would throw Nebraska’s entire republican electorate in a fire before I would change the Democratic party platform to focus on middle White America. I don’t think y’all understand how close you are to losing PoC right now, and without us, you have no base. Obviously. Republicans know this, that’s why their entire legislative focus at the state level is keeping us from the polls.
Nope, our map was the same.
My entire military career was spent in red states as well (minus a brief stint of recruiting duty in Massachusetts).
I never argued “change the Democratic platform to focus on middle White America,” I argued the Democratic Party need to address the issues here.
Either that or cede the electoral votes here. That’s just the way it is.
Pander: precisely what all politicians do: address the concerns of the voters. All politicians pander. Trump pandered. Clinton pandered. Cruz pandered. Sanders pandered.
I really don’t know what the answer is.
On the one hand parties do have to be built from the ground up. On the other hand, the top needs to provide direction and assistance.
At least you’re not sleeping with a loaded shotgun under your bed for your safety tonight.
re: #154 Anymouse
I think you SHOULD run for governor. No sarcasm. You turned a libertarian to the light side, you might have found your calling. And you know how to romance the ladies.
re: #153 Alyosha
She ran the better campaign PERIOD.
Her opponent trashed and threatened every single group outside of white America.
If that’s what a better campaign looks like then I don’t know what to tell you.
It was a molten, radioactive shitshow cobbled on the fly from start to finish.White people love them some mediocrity methinks.
Not only that, the media gave Trump billions in free airtime and billions more in free attack ads against Clinton in the form of obsessive reporting on an email story that everyone knew would never amount to jack shit. Add in Russia’s involvement with Trump’s campaign and Comey’s last minute fuck-faced intervention and it really looks like an election stolen in a banana Republic.
re: #153 Alyosha
She ran the better campaign PERIOD.
Her opponent trashed and threatened every single group outside of white America.
If that’s what a better campaign looks like then I don’t know what to tell you.
It was a molten, radioactive shitshow cobbled on the fly from start to finish.White people love them some mediocrity methinks.
Oh I agree that hers was the better campaign in terms of policy and inclusiveness and experience and a whole host of other metrics compared to the fascist talking yam that is now President-elect.
It was not the better campaign on educating the voters about the dangers of said-same yam, because he got elected. The only campaign that counts in the end is the one that wins. Politics is a blood sport, and while Mr. Trump has no political experience, he is excellent in blood sports.
re: #156 Bass Reeves
I think you SHOULD run for governor. No sarcasm. You turned a libertarian to the light side, you might have found your calling. And you know how to romance the ladies.
LOL. I would have to run against billionaire Pete Ricketts though, darling of AmeriTrade.
re: #155 Anymouse
I have a knife. In my defense, I have put it through a car door once in iraq.
re: #157 goddamnedfrank
Not only that, the media gave Trump billions in free airtime and billions more in free attack ads against Clinton in the form of obsessive reporting on an email story that everyone knew wasn’t shit. Add in Russia’s involvement with Trump’s campaign and Comey’s last minute fuck-faced intervention and it really looks like an election stolen in a banana Republic.
But hey. It’s lots of fun for everyone to beat their own personal crusade drum about why she lost.
So tired.
re: #158 Anymouse
Oh I agree that hers was the better campaign in terms of policy and inclusiveness and experience and a whole host of other metrics compared to the fascist talking yam that is now President-elect.
It was not the better campaign on educating the voters about the dangers of said-same yam, because he got elected. The only campaign that counts in the end is the one that wins. Politics is a blood sport, and while Mr. Trump has no political experience, he is excellent in blood sports.
She won the popular vote by miles with the entire media, the FBI and the Russian FSB all working tacitly in concert against her.
Imma cut her some slack.
re: #159 Anymouse
LOL. I would have to run against billionaire Pete Ricketts though, darling of AmeriTrade.
They run for that congressional seat you mentioned the other night. Start now and badger the fuck out of the party for the filing fee and campaign money. Do the district the way you work your village and in two years you’ll at least have a chance, tho it won’t be easy. I’d contribute to the campaign if you do.
Instead of snarking, I’ll share another photo as I process stuff. I have a thing for the folded origami cranes (I may be doing several over the next few years) and this was probably my favorite shrine* that we visited in Kyoto. (I think it was a shrine. It certainly wasn’t one of the big attractions, just tucked in amongst the buildings.)
* Not including Fushimi Inari Taisha.
re: #161 klys (maker of Silmarils)
But hey. It’s lots of fun for everyone to beat their own personal crusade drum about why she lost.
So tired.
I don’t know why she lost. (Well, other than she got fewer electoral votes.)
It would appear that there was a false sense of security that after the bad old days of Jim Crow were laid to rest, a lot of people thought that attitudes had changed over the last fifty years or so.
Apparently running a Southern Strategy on steroids still works. Ronald Reagan kicked off his campaign in Philadelphia, Miss. That wasn’t a dog whistle, that was a bull horn. He reversed sanctions against apartheid South Africa. He invited the crazy religious grifters into his party.
The idea that “all we have to do is wait out the baby boomers until they die” apparently isn’t going to work. (I am on the tail end of the baby boom; those on the other end were the ones marching in the streets against Vietnam, for civil rights, &c. What the heck happened?)
re: #162 goddamnedfrank
She won the popular vote by miles with the entire media, the FBI and the Russian FSB all working tacitly in concert against her.
Imma cut her some slack.
Plus, to say she didn’t press the point at every opportunity to outline how ordinary people would be affected by Trump’s election is neglegently deceptive.
The people who voted for him were predominantly white. In other words, folk already mostly insulated from his policies.
They. Didn’t. Care.
re: #163 William Lewis
They run for that congressional seat you mentioned the other night. Start now and badger the fuck out of the party for the filing fee and campaign money. Do the district the way you work your village and in two years you’ll at least have a chance, tho it won’t be easy. I’d contribute to the campaign if you do.
Maybe I should start a bit more modestly, like running for my Unicameral district seat first. A bit smaller area, and easier to get better known. I have been to every county in the district many times.
Or, I could stay on my village board and support someone who could likely run a better campaign than I could.
You may recall Mr. Trump was complaining about the protests yesterday over his election.
He sure flipped fast:
Love the fact that the small groups of protesters last night have passion for our great country. We will all come together and be proud!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 11, 2016
The only problem about running for the state legislature from a personal perspective is how much the pay is. You have to live in Lincoln while the legislature is in session, which means you have to keep up two residences.
Legislator pay is $12,000 a year. If I were independently wealthy, that might make it a bit easier. Lincoln is four hundred miles away.
(Note to self: Start buying lots of MegaMillions tickets.)
re: #169 Anymouse
(Note to self: Start buying lots of MegaMillions tickets.)
If you are going to be a politician, you could write them off as professional development… < whistles innocently >
re: #170 William Lewis
If you are going to be a politician, you could write them off as professional development… < whistles innocently >
Ha!
Another problem would be that erotic Romance novel editing gig. I have no doubt that would be used against me by the family values party (never mind who they elected).
re: #169 Anymouse
The only problem about running for the state legislature from a personal perspective is how much the pay is. You have to live in Lincoln while the legislature is in session, which means you have to keep up two residences.
Legislator pay is $12,000 a year. If I were independently wealthy, that might make it a bit easier. Lincoln is four hundred miles away.
(Note to self: Start buying lots of MegaMillions tickets.)
No per diem?
re: #169 Anymouse
The only problem about running for the state legislature from a personal perspective is how much the pay is. You have to live in Lincoln while the legislature is in session, which means you have to keep up two residences.
Legislator pay is $12,000 a year. If I were independently wealthy, that might make it a bit easier. Lincoln is four hundred miles away.
(Note to self: Start buying lots of MegaMillions tickets.)
Now you know why there are no democrats.
I will repost this from the last thread.
My Mom asked “How did you know Trump would win”
I replied, “How did you NOT know”
re: #172 Timothy Watson
No per diem?
Nope. There was a referendum in the last election to modestly raise legislator’s pay, which I was all in for and stumped for here in town. It actually won in my town (though it lost by a landslide).
My argument was pretty simple to my conservative neighbours: the referendum favours no party. What it does favour is allowing a person of modest means, regardless of political leaning, to be able to run for state office. You don’t have to be rich if you can afford to live on the pay on offer. It would benefit modest conservatives just as much as modest liberals.
Most of the state: Taxes!!!eleventy11uno!! Why should I pay those guys?
So for now at least, we will continue to only get legislators who can afford to run. Couple that with the term limits nonsense we have here, and what we get is lobbyists that run the Unicameral.
Though Ernie Chambers represents North Omaha, I am sure going to miss him when he is gone (a sane voice in the Unicameral). He has to be devastated over his death penalty bill being overturned by referendum, thanks to the governor being able to buy a line on the ballot for that referendum.
re: #168 Anymouse
You may recall Mr. Trump was complaining about the protests yesterday over his election.
He sure flipped fast:
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That’s because, that is not Donald writing that. they have internet elves that they pay 50 cents an hour to bleet out shite 24/7.
re: #175 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
I will repost this from the last thread.
My Mom asked “How did you know Trump would win”
I replied, “How did you NOT know”
Well, this cock-eyed optimist suffered a severe orbital blowout.
re: #178 Alyosha
Well, this cock-eyed optimist suffered a severe orbital blowout.
Oh, I knew he would win and yet I still suffered an orbital blowout!
re: #179 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
Oh, I knew he would win and yet I still suffered an orbital blowout!
My wife was convinced he would win. I was not so sure. She was right.
Maybe she should run for office instead of me; she seems to be able to gage the public’s mood better.
re: #180 Anymouse
My wife was convinced he would win. I was not so sure. She was right.
Maybe she should run for office instead of me; she seems to be able to gage the public’s mood better.
You have e very, very smart women. in these time especially, hang on to her.
ok so 4 days no sleep or eating.
re: #182 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
ok so 4 days no sleep or eating.
Meth binge? Been there, done that. I should Google to see if there is a t-shirt I can get for it.
re: #183 Single-handed sailor
Meth binge? Been there, done that. I should Google to see if there is a t-shirt I can get for it.
Quit making me smile! I resent it.
re: #160 Bass Reeves
I have a knife. In my defense, I have put it through a car door once in iraq.
I have a ton of things, and a police chief who named his son Nathan Bedford.
re: #181 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
You have e very, very smart women. in these time especially, hang on to her.
I am exceptionally grateful she chooses to have me. Anyone who could write her amazingly depressing Website (linked to my screen name here) with her humour is okay in my book.
Plus, she has two college degrees to make up for my lack of one (Computer Science, Business Administration), and her state librarian certification.
re: #185 Decatur Deb
I have a ton of things, and a police chief who named his son Nathan Bedford.
Yes but what I remember, before I got sick. You are a true southern gentleman. which means, You lose.
re: #186 Anymouse
I am exceptionally grateful she chooses to have me. Anyone who could write her amazingly depressing Website (linked to my screen name here) with her humour is okay in my book.
Plus, she has two college degrees to make up for my lack of one (Computer Science, Business Administration), and her state librarian certification.
OMG she is a lucky woman
re: #184 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
Quit making me smile! I resent it.
then you are going to hate the results of my search for a t-shirt.
And this one has really begun to describe me.
hillary’s campaign was great, i loved it. i love presidential campaigns and hers was one of the best
there was just one problem: it made us feel really great, but it totally insulted and repelled the trump voters
while we were spending our time dumping on the 10 year old and congratulating ourselves on our wonderful progressive values, master hustler was addressing all of their problems and grievances and swearing he would fix them with his super duper billionaire magic wand
of course he’s the one who is in big trouble now - his bluff has been called and his fans are waiting impatiently to witness his magic powers
re: #187 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
Yes but what I remember, before I got sick. You are a true southern gentleman. which means, You lose.
No need to screw around with unreliable extended magazines, then.
(Actually I’m a Yankee, stranded here by the Union Army at Ft. Rucker.)
re: #189 Single-handed sailor
Oh, and, WTF Google Shopping?!
re: #191 Decatur Deb
No need to screw around with unreliable extended magazines, then.
(Actually I’m a Yankee, stranded here by the Union Army at Ft. Rucker.)
I am half Belle and half Yankee. My Thanksgivings have always been a Soap opera. so this wont be anything new to me. I was just hoping it was getting better. Hahahaha!
re: #188 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
OMG she is a lucky woman
For marrying me? Ha.
Lemme ask her:
Me: Honey, do you think you are a lucky woman for marrying me?
Wife: Yes. Did somebody on Little Green Footballs ask?
Me: Yes.
Wife: Tell them I am lucky to have you. (Anymouse <color=red>blushes</color>)
re: #193 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
I am half Belle and half Yankee. My Thanksgivings have always been a Soap opera. so this wont be anything new to me. I was just hoping it was getting better. Hahahaha!
Heh. Wife is from Tennessee/Kentucky, though a Ft Knox brat. I played Archie and Meatball with my FIL for 40 years.
re: #194 Anymouse
For marrying me? Ha.
Lemme ask her:
Me: Honey, do you think you are a lucky woman for marrying me?
Wife: Yes. Did somebody on Little Green Footballs ask?
Me: Yes.
Wife: Tell them I am lucky to have you. (Anymouse [color=red]blushes[/color])
hahahaha!
Now that I know how important being brutally honest is to Trump Supporters I can finally be free.
re: #132 klys (maker of Silmarils)
A lot of people never really leave the area they were born, but I don’t have that particular issue. (Plenty of others.)
This here is one of the causes of nationalism, nativism and racism, IMO. People spend all their lives inside a little bubble, meeting the same people, experiencing the same things every day, so they assume everyone and everywhere is just like that, and that the non-traveler’s way of life is the very best anywhere.
So, you’ve got hordes of people who hate Muslims, but who have never met one, and Mexicans, but who have never taken the time to talk to one.
I’m not saying travel would cure all those woes, but it would help if people got outside their bubble a bit more.
Well, we’ve survived worse than Trump in this country (and Pence). It won’t be easy, but we can get through this.
Considering how so many Trump supporters are all over social media telling him he damn well better implement everything he said, I think there might be a bit of “buyer’s remorse” for them.
If they become disillusioned in a couple years, that may actually be helpful for the 2018 General Election.
I won’t bet my gold coin collection on that, but it is a non-zero possibility at this point. (Besides, I might need those coins to get out.)
My Southern cousins” You’re so pretty, why are you getting involved in politics?
re: #201 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
My Southern cousins” You’re so pretty, why are you getting involved in politics?
Hey, if pretty can win an election, why not?
re: #202 Anymouse
Hey, if pretty can win an election, why not?
It just kills me that “smart” doesn’t win an election anymore.
imma’ gowning to go out talk about how pathetic everyone is but Trump.
re: #200 Anymouse
If one plays him right, he may show some bipartisanship at least. Just as an example of various contradictory currents: although he has homophobes swarming around him, Thiel also has his ear. That’s at least some counterweight on the LGBT issues. We’ll see what happens.
Moreover, if in a couple of years Trump and the GOP are at war with each other, I even wouldn’t be surprised to see some “I never expected I would agree with the Cheeto Jesus, but…” comments.
re: #203 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
It just kills me that “smart” doesn’t win an election anymore.
Maybe I should turn in my Mensa card and join the NRA? That might work.
It doesn’t matter any more. My mom was with a wonderful man for 15 years. He was born in Russia and fled to China where he was tortured by the Japanese. He knew Trump would win, and I agreed.
re: #206 Anymouse
Maybe I should turn in my Mensa card and join the NRA? That might work.
Not to rag on you, but there are Mensa members who are dumb as hell.
IQ is not everything. Having the best, most beautiful processor doesn’t help if you’re running an outdated, buggy system on it…
“Smart” includes the “OS” matching the brain power.
re: #208 Nyet
Not to rag on you, but there are Mensa members who are dumb as hell.
IQ is not everything. Having the best, most beautiful processor doesn’t help if you’re running an outdated, buggy system on it…
“Smart” includes the “OS” matching the brain power.
Agreed. IQ basically measures problem solving ability, not education level or common sense.
There are a lot of dumb bunnies in Mensa.
I can tell you this about the Cheyenne group (technically I belong to the Nebraska/Iowa group but they meet four hundred miles away from my home in Omaha): Every last one of them voted for Hillary Clinton in Wyoming, a state she had not a chance of winning. (I manage the Cheyenne mail list, though I live in Nebraska. Everyone in the group was appalled by the outcome. They knew Mr. Trump would win Wyoming, but they didn’t think he would win overall.)
And of course a virus-filled operating system on the fastest imaginable processor with most RAM… is just that more dangerous.
Tonight’s 40k History: The Battle of Phall
The Battle of Phall was a major void engagement that took place following the start of the Horus Heresy in the early 31st Millennium with the Istvaan III Atrocity, between the entirety of the Iron Warriors Legion’s fleet and a formidable Imperial Fists Legion Retribution Fleet. At the command of the Warmaster Horus, Perturabo, Primarch of the Iron Warriors Legion, was sent to halt an encroaching Imperial Fists fleet that had originally been sent to Istvaan III by Rogal Dorn to reinforce the beleaguered Loyalists trapped on that world. The Traitors could not allow such a strong complement of Astartes to infiltrate their controlled area of space, for they would’ve seriously disrupted preparations for the Traitors’ attack on Terra. Commanding the entirety of his Legion’s war fleet, Perturabo led his warships in a sudden and devastating attack upon the Imperial Fists fleet in the nearby Phall System where the Loyalists had massed. Ultimately Perturabo failed in his attempt to annihilate the entirety of the Loyalist fleet, due to the vigilance and foresight of Captain Alexis Polux, the commander of the Imperial Fists Retribution Fleet, who had kept the warships under his command at a high state of combat-readiness. Though they sustained significant damage, Captain Polux was able to launch a successful counterattack against the Iron Warriors’ fleet and inflict significant damage as well as destroy or disable multiple capital ships. When the Retribution Fleet’s Astropaths finally managed to make contact with Terra, they received a direct order from Rogal Dorn recalling the Retribution Fleet to Terra to prepare the defences of the Imperial Palace. Launching a bold counter-strike, the Imperial Fists drove off the embattled Traitor fleet and managed to break orbit and manoeuvre to their jump points, where they entered the Warp and made for Terra to prepare for the Traitors’ coming assault upon the homeworld of Mankind.
Few things more absurd than saying the LA Times poll was accurate.
Final LA Times/USC poll: Trump +3
Final est. popular vote: Clinton +2 pic.twitter.com/pvwWOBRg6w— Matt McDermott (@mattmfm) November 12, 2016
re: #211 Kragar
Tonight’s 40k History: The Battle of Phall
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Kragar, as much as I love you. You are assuming other people are as smart as you.
Not only did 538’s model give Trump a much better chance than the consensus, it did so for the right reasons…
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) November 11, 2016
It recognized that:
1) polling errors are correlated
2) there were many undecideds
3) Clinton’s Electoral College position was weak— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) November 11, 2016
re: #213 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite
Kragar, as much as I live you. You are assuming other people are as smart as you.
Well, I assume the overwhelming majority of us here did not vote for Mr. Trump. That ought to count for at least a standard deviation on the bell curve. /half
re: #211 Kragar
I always get a kick out of your w40k posts. Thank you for them. Perhaps I should do a “this day in the history of the 3rd Imperium” from the Traveller RPG…
re: #205 Nyet
If one plays him right, he may show some bipartisanship at least. Just as an example of various contradictory currents: although he has homophobes swarming around him, Thiel also has his ear. That’s at least some counterweight on the LGBT issues. We’ll see what happens.
Moreover, if in a couple of years Trump and the GOP are at war with each other, I even wouldn’t be surprised to see some “I never expected I would agree with the Cheeto Jesus, but…” comments.
I wouldn’t expect Thiel to be any significant counterweight on LGBT issues. Most likely Thiel’s view is that any LGBT person who can’t afford a private army to defend vs. RWNJ pogroms is a loser that deserves whatever abuse comes their way.
re: #217 EPR-radar
I don’t see Pence, for example, ever holding the rainbow flag. Trump did. Sure, because it had his name on it, but it shows he’s an opportunist more than an ideologue. This creates openings that could be exploited. Is success probable? No, but it would be foolish not to try.
re: #212 Nyet
pop vote was Trump -.1%. Which poll got that right?
In the wee hours of the morning my mind rambles a bit… as some wheels of psyche process by daily experiences… and reflect on this week,
Trump is the climax of more than one movement in America, in our society. He’s a nexus, of sorts, of some changes that at first might seem unrelated but I believe are intertwined and now are coming to be a great burden on us as humans.
Let me tell you a story about today:
I walk, mostly, to get around. That means I walk to the grocery store to buy my food, save for occasionally needing a car when I haul large boxes of stuff like bottles of water, etc. Walking means carrying home the stuff I buy, so I’m limited in what I can carry. Which is fine, living alone meaning a bag in each hand is ample for my needs.
Now the story of American grocers has gone the way of everything else - larger and larger conglomerates buying up the smaller guys. And that happened here in SoCal too, last year, when AB (the owner of Albertsons, a major chain in SoCal) bought Safeway (the owner of Pavillions/Vons, their brands in SoCal.) And this means that one company now owns a significant portion of the SoCal retail food distribution system, and this is certainly true in my region of San Diego county. All the large grocery stores walkable (and by that I even mean long walks) to me are owned by one corporation (one Albertsons, one Vons are close, one of each are also a bit farther, barely walkable.) There are a couple of smaller grocery stores, but by being so small they often don’t have what I need.
(The other major retail corporation, Kroeger, does have outlets in San Diego but they are sparser, none close enough to be walkable.)
Anyway, over the past few years the front end service at these stores has deteriorated.
Today I discovered that my closest store is no longer using disposable plastic bags. Yes, we did have a measure on the ballot here which passed that outlaws such bags but that doesn’t go into effect immediately.
Instead, now I have to buy large plastic bags (15 cents each) or large, handle-less paper bags (10 cents each.)
Here’s the problem - it’s not the cost (though the prices are much more than what the bags cost to the corporation) but rather the bags are too big or bulky (the paper bag has no handle) for someone to hand carry any farther than a short distance.
(Thanks for following me so far… I’m getting to the real point and the tie-in to Trump.)
So I go to the Vons/Safeway website, thinking I would send them some feedback to complain. But I see the telephone number there for customer service and call… it is a machine answering of course, but going through the menu there isn’t a choice for talking to a human, or even to complain. It’s all gimmickry about their “club” etc.
The webform for sending feedback itself is hidden. But once there, it is again onerous, requiring quite a bit of information.
Now I’ve done this once before, try to use their website, to register feedback about one of their products. I did eventually get an email back from them - an automatically generated thing that really didn’t address the issue.
What I want them, need them, to do is offer smaller bags, and bags with handles, so I and those who walk can carry them. But there is no way for me to really communicate that to the corporation. The poor checker (in my case I chose a supervising checker, as she’d know) simply said there are no smaller bags and there are none on order.
Here’s the conclusion: The corporate office doesn’t really want feedback. They don’t care.
This has been lamented for quite some time in America. The upper echelon of Corporate America really doesn’t care about what people really experience. And layers of management and obfuscation are put into place to keep the top management from having to deal with feedback being generated from the ground up.
But the advertising slogans, the corporate slogans, the words the wordsmiths craft to put on the fliers, the corporate publications, etc. are designed to fool people into thinking the corporation cares.
This is not a new lament in America.
But it explains Trump. He doesn’t really experience what you and I experience in our daily struggles. And his layers (starting with his family, then his inner circle) of protection make sure that he hasn’t had to confront that. He himself is his own wordsmith, and his carny training (thanks, Vince McMahon) means he knows just the right way to craft a gimmick to entice people, not unlike the wordsmiths that craft the AB corporation’s communications.
There’s no substantive feedback into Trump. His only registered feedback is the adulation of the crowds he entices and that is a positive feedback loop that only pushes him farther away from the reality of how bad so many of his claims are.
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Regarding the bag ban in California - I really was put off by that. It’s more tokenism than substance. (A common refrain in society.) I often reuse the “disposable” bags, and as for me they do get disposed through the trash system, not tossed out into the sea. In fact, very rarely do I see plastic bags flying around the ground in San Diego. The whole lament about plastic in the ocean is fine, and right to address a problem, but our plastic bags here are not really a noticeable source of that problem.
The real irony is that an automobile, its creation and operation and disposal, will create much more waste and damage than disposable plastic bags. If I have to drive a car to the store to buy groceries because I am no longer able to carry bags while walking, my impact on the environment will be much greater than a few disposable plastic bags.
re: #219 BigPapa
pop vote was Trump -.1%. Which poll got that right?
who cares? Weak men across this country can grab the pussy of anyone in your family. and its ok. Freedom!
re: #218 Nyet
I don’t see Pence, for example, ever holding the rainbow flag. Trump did. Sure, because it had his name on it, but it shows he’s an opportunist more than an ideologue. This creates openings that could be exploited. Is success probable? No, but it would be foolish not to try.
Well, since Mr. Trump said in his campaign that he would delegate many responsibilities to Gov. Pence, and that he would consult with the Heritage Foundation for court picks, I suspect Gov. Pence is going to get his anti-LGBT and forced-birth legislation through like lightning.
Periods for Pence is still a thing in Indiana after his bill requiring the burial or cremation of foetuses.
I fully expect a foetal personhood law to be advanced in the Congress, which would criminalise women seeking an abortion (or even having a “suspicious” miscarriage). The GOP has been on that hobby horse for some time.
And Trump gave away the game of the forced-birthers during his scampaign, though he shut up about it after the GOP howled: he wanted some sort of criminal prosecutions for women seeking abortions.
In reality, the so-called right to life movement stands for exactly that. If abortion is murder because a foetus is a person, then a woman seeking an abortion is by definition a person contracting for a murder.
I pray (not religiously) that a state doesn’t seek the death penalty for a woman getting an abortion. Such a case would assuredly wind up before a likely conservative Supreme Court hand-picked by the Heritage Foundation.
We’re about to see what theocratic governance looks like. Not since the Puritans have we had that.
re: #219 BigPapa
pop vote was Trump -.1%. Which poll got that right?
We’re still counting out here… the popular vote difference will be larger than that.
I fully expect that if impeachment is viable the GOP would dump Trump in a heartbeat and install Pence. No doubt.
re: #219 BigPapa
Silver wrote that national polls (as opp. to state polls) were more accurate this year than in 2012.
Since the margin of error is inherently so big and both candidates’ results were so close, any definite result (“Trump!” - “No, Hillary!”) was meaningless.
re: #222 Anymouse
What Trump said during his campaign and even what you’re seeing now with the transition team etc. is not necessary predictive of what you will see in 1 year. Trump is that volatile…
re: #168 Anymouse
You may recall Mr. Trump was complaining about the protests yesterday over his election.
He sure flipped fast:
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That’s someone else tweeting, I betcha!
re: #226 Nyet
Not even a year, I’d bet.
If the turnover in the transition team is the result of personal conflicts between his family and some staff, what’s going to happen when affairs of state conflict with his family’s affairs?
re: #220 freetoken
When I first came to China, our local supermarkets gave you bags for free. Then a couple of years later, the closest one to me began charging 2 mao (CHY0.20 = 3 cents) a bag. No biggie, no one complained, because the price is negligible. Also, I have two Tyvek shopping bags from Tesco, and a canvas bag I bought in Hong Kong. I recommend getting one of those — Walmart and Kroger sell them for like a $1. The ones with longer handles allow you to carry one on your shoulder, freeing your hands for other things. For heavier items, like a bag of rice, I use my day pack. I also walk to and from the supermarket, so I’ve got it down to a science.
The fuss in California about plastic bags befuddles me. Certainly one of the largest first world problems ever.
re: #228 freetoken
Not even a year, I’d bet.
If the turnover in the transition team is the result of personal conflicts between his family and some staff, what’s going to happen when affairs of state conflict with his family’s affairs?
It’ll be like something from The Godfather. /
re: #229 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
The fuss in California about plastic bags befuddles me. Certainly one of the largest first world problems ever.
The fuss is more show than anything else. It’s a case of tackling an easy thing rather than the important thing (which is our automobile-centric society.)
re: #228 freetoken
Not even a year, I’d bet.
If the turnover in the transition team is the result of personal conflicts between his family and some staff, what’s going to happen when affairs of state conflict with his family’s affairs?
Might need to re-read Suetonius.
re: #232 Nyet
Might need to re-read Suetonius.
The Trump White House may end up resembling the Marcos regime, and Melania will probably collect as many shoes as Imelda did.
Megyn Kelly of FOX News Channel implied she was poisoned before the debate where she asked Donald Trump the question about his treatment of women:
“Her story becomes more byzantine [sic]. On the day of the debate, Ms. Kelly writes, she woke up feeling great. Then an overzealous, suspiciously enthusiastic driver picked her up to take her to the convention center. He insisted on getting her coffee, though she’d repeatedly declined his offer. Once it was in her hand, she drank it. And within 15 minutes, she was violently ill, vomiting so uncontrollably that it was unclear if she’d be able to go on and help moderate that evening. It was so bad that she kept a trash pail beneath her desk throughout the debate, just in case.
Ms. Kelly never says outright that someone tried to poison her. (A stomach bug was going around, she notes.) But the episode spooked her enough that she shared it later with Roger Ailes and a lawyer friend of his. Foul play? Again: She reports. You decide.
Trump later appeared on Kelly’s Fox primetime special in May, telling her “I don’t really blame you, because you’re doing your thing.”
Mrs. Kelly has responded to the report of the book excerpt.
I would note that “poisoned” is too strong a word. Syrup of Ipecac is not easily detected in coffee for example, and really doesn’t qualify as poison. And Mrs. Kelly may very well have had a stomach bug.
On the other hand, Mr. Trump’s principal advisor Vladmir Putin is known for poisoning opponents so there’s that.
Mostly speculation here, but I wouldn’t put it past either Roger Ailes (who was still employed by FOX at the time) or someone supporting Mr. Trump to have done what was alleged.
I’ve been to and fro since the election, but…I’ve been looking at Trump’s “This is my first 100 days” and McConnell’s “Nope. We don’t want to do any of that. Well, healthcare.”
What if the Dems propose term limits for the House? Make a big thing about 100 days, and how “we want to work together” and propose it. Get Warren to rile him up about being on the leash and just doing what The Swamp wants him to do.
How soon can the left force him into all-out-war with his own party?
Also - what happens, once the ACA is repealed, people don’t pay their bills. Let them go into default, have the press of insurance companies forcing a huge percentage of American’s out of their houses because the Republicans did this to them.
I mean - how much can the Left “break” the system, to show the system being broken?
Giggling rats reveal the most ticklish part of our brains https://t.co/2lFKfL2fD3 pic.twitter.com/QvmYaWlYTi
— New Scientist (@newscientist) November 11, 2016
re: #237 harlequinade
Whatever the Dems do or not do, the Republicans will still blame them if anything goes wrong, so they might as well throw a wrench or two into the works.
Democrats need, however, to be crystal clear about how the system is broken, who broke it, and how much better it was before it was broken. As far as I can tell, the party does a crappy job of clearly and concisely pinning the blame on the GOP, and has even run away from Obama’s policies during the last midterms (see Kynect in KY) in a vain attempt to gain votes.
It won’t be easy, given the hammerlock Trump and the Right have on their pet media outlets, but it has to be done.
re: #239 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Nod. As I normally say - I’m a European, but I’ve seen this shift to the right over here. I remember then Brexit happened and, of all people, Jeremy Clarkson (a Remainer) posted this:
Right. We should have 24 hours of despair and moaning, and then we will all have to roll up our sleeves and make this shit shower work.
— Jeremy Clarkson (@JeremyClarkson) June 24, 2016
But - we all need to do something to stop this Right shift.
And to bring the last thread into this: theatlantic.com should give us an idea on what we’re looking at, in terms of Post-Truth.
re: #240 harlequinade
Nod. As I normally say - I’m a European, but I’ve seen this shift to the right over here. I remember then Brexit happened and, of all people, Jeremy Clarkson (a Remainer) posted this:
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I am so angry, and still upset by this result. I love coming over, and now am having to have conversations about “Do I boycott for 4 years? What does going there while he is in power say about my acceptance of him in power? Do I go and fill in all my forms saying I’m a muslim? I mean - fuck that man…..He’s doing the Correspondent’s Dinner, too.”But - we all need to do something to stop this Right shift.
And to bring the last thread into this: theatlantic.com should give us an idea on what we’re looking at, in terms of Post-Truth.
Despite his temper and crotchety demeanor, Clarkson often hits the nail on the head. I didn’t know he was a remainer, though. I had him pegged as a leaver, so my estimation of him has risen somewhat.
My idea is to assume the USA is now an occupied country, with a government that might be hostile to people such as I (expat, living in a communist country, liberal and Democrat) and live my life accordingly. Living in China has prepared me for that, if I may dare suggest it could get that bad in the States.
re: #241 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
For the first time I’m thinking about encryption of data and a really good VPN etc.
I’m guessing you’re going to be our guide to some of this…
re: #242 harlequinade
For the first time I’m thinking about encryption of data and a really good VPN etc.
I’m guessing you’re going to be our guide to some of this…
I’d recommend learning how to use encrypted email, just as a precaution. There are messaging apps like WhatsApp that are supposedly encrypted at both ends.
Snowden’s paranoia about government snooping was premature. With Trump & Co. in charge, there is bound to be more government snooping and surveillance than under any previous administration since Nixon’s.
Got a friend on FB reposting stuff by some guy called Amiri King. Typical “Get a jerb hippie LOL” anti-“liberal” stuff. Good god, it’s annoying. Latest thing is a meme which lists Milo’s gayness as proof that Trump isn’t racist. Uhm OK?
I had thought my friend was smarter, but I guess not.
I saw this great quote over on reddit - it’s about the election and Trump’s voters. While it of course doesn’t capture 100% of the reasons behind Trump’s victory, it’s a good - and sobering - point about how Trump promised to bring back blue-collar jobs, and why it simply isn’t going to happen. Automation did a lot more to kill off US factory jobs than globalization did and there is no magic button government can push to revitalize rural economies. Rural voters are going to continue to suffer and lash out.
I didn’t change this posting at all - not even the spelling.
This is the fallout from automation in factories.
What are we going to do when self driving trucks take over (and they will, sooner than you think) and one of the largest employee groups in America loose their jobs. Almost every trucker is going to be unemployed with literally no useful skills for the economy.
How much of rural America is built around supporting those truckers? The cafes and hotels and truck stops that may be the final source of income for many small towns along the interstate… with no more customers. Yes the trucks will still run on diesel but no drivers to eat at the truck stop or stay in the hotels. Hell the refueling stations will probably be automated.
I drove 4500 miles this summer through the entire center of America, from south Texas to northern Minnesota (almost border to border) while on that excursion this was the fevered thoughts going through my head. The geek in me is so excited for the new dawn of robots, but the small town kid who grew up in my dads convenience store waving at Canadian truckers and seeing them load up on “good American cigarettes” before heading over the border… well that kid in me saw a horrifying amount of people who are on the brink of loosing everything. From truckers and dispatch people to small town waitresses working in greasy spoons to help make ends meet. Gone.
America already has the worst safety net in the western world, and with the political climate the way it is, I wouldn’t bet on anyone trying to improve it. Hell… people on the left are trying to stop it from being completely shredded and just maintain what we have now. Paul Ryan wants to privatize Medicare ffs.
I wish we could have an adult discussion in America about these very real, very frightening things… but we can’t. It’s too hard, it’s too frightening. We need universal healthcare and a minimum income to provide for these people when the automation takes their jobs away. But it’s not going to happen. I just don’t see it being something that can even be brought up without people screaming “communist”. The same people who will very soon loose everything will fight tooth and nail to stop anyone from actually helping.
Now I’m depressed. More.
re: #67 Joe Bacon
Meanwhile the Chris Cillizzas and Mark Halperins of the DC Press Corpse BS about how Trump will “grow into the job”.
Yeah…like mold grows on bread…
And for some of us, that mold can kill us.
re: #246 Dr Lizardo
I saw this great quote over on reddit - it’s about the election and Trump’s voters. While it of course doesn’t capture 100% of the reasons behind Trump’s victory, it’s a good - and sobering - point about how Trump promised to bring back blue-collar jobs, and why it simply isn’t going to happen. I didn’t change this at all - not even the spelling.
The OP omits another important contribution to local economies — the truck stop girls who keep the fellas entertained (ahem). It’s off the books, but for most of those women it might be the only source of income.
We’re a few years away from self-driving semis, IMO. The tech is still in development, and the recent crashes of self-driving cars and those guys who hacked a normal car’s electronics suggest there are some bugs to be worked out still.
I had a neighbor who was a trucker. His house was modest, but they had a pool, new cars and a nice TV. He made enough to send both his girls to college. The downside: he wasn’t home all that much.
re: #246 Dr Lizardo
I saw this great quote over on reddit - it’s about the election and Trump’s voters. While it of course doesn’t capture 100% of the reasons behind Trump’s victory, it’s a good - and sobering - point about how Trump promised to bring back blue-collar jobs, and why it simply isn’t going to happen. I didn’t change this at all - not even the spelling.
And they’re exactly right, what you see now is in large part the aftermath of automation, of all those jobs in places like Detroit and Pittsburgh either being automated into obsolescence or taken over by countries that have a far more solid safety net for their workers and so manufacturers don’t have to deal with as a cost of doing business. Self-driving trucks won’t happen overnight, as insurance companies will be hesitant to take them without proven safety records. But one company or another (my bet is on Wal-Mart) will take the leap of automating their trucks on the long-haul routes, establish a solid safety record, and that will be that. Insurance companies will flip in under a decade from “no way will we insure self-driving trucks” to “no way will we keep insuring human drivers.”
re: #248 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
re: #249 Targetpractice
I figure we’re only about two decades away from autonomous vehicles, 25 years at most. And who knows, it could be sooner; technology is growing in leaps and bounds. When I first came here 15 years ago, an Alcatel OneTouch DB or a Nokia 5510 mobile phone was pretty standard issue…..now, smartphones are ubiquitous - even grade-school kids have them.
re: #67 Joe Bacon
Meanwhile the Chris Cillizzas and Mark Halperins of the DC Press Corpse BS about how Trump will “grow into the job”.
Yeah…like mold grows on bread…
Well, after fluffing Donald’s pillows the whole election process, they have to get in bed with him don’t they?
And that is all I will say about that reference. What they do in bed together is too much for me to consider!
re: #250 Dr Lizardo
I figure we’re only about two decades away from autonomous vehicles, 25 years at most. And who knows, it could be sooner; technology is growing in leaps and bounds. When I first came here 15 years ago, an Alcatel OneTouch DB or a Nokia 5510 mobile phone was pretty standard issue…..now, smartphones are ubiquitous - even grade-school kids have them.
Inorite? All the college students here have smartphones. It’s a necessity, even if your family is dirt poor.
Self-driving cars will probably appear first in Asia. Singapore is already testing self-driving cabs in a less busy section of the city.
re: #250 Dr Lizardo
I figure we’re only about two decades away from autonomous vehicles, 25 years at most. And who knows, it could be sooner; technology is growing in leaps and bounds. When I first came here 15 years ago, an Alcatel OneTouch DB or a Nokia 5510 mobile phone was pretty standard issue…..now, smartphones are ubiquitous - even grade-school kids have them.
Imagine what NASA in the 60s could have done with the processing power of today’s smart phones.
re: #250 Dr Lizardo
I figure we’re only about two decades away from autonomous vehicles, 25 years at most. And who knows, it could be sooner; technology is growing in leaps and bounds. When I first came here 15 years ago, an Alcatel OneTouch DB or a Nokia 5510 mobile phone was pretty standard issue…..now, smartphones are ubiquitous - even grade-school kids have them.
I figure self-driving cars will become mandatory in another 10-20 years for only one reason: insurance companies. Say what we want about the squishy pink mass between our ears, while it might be one of the most powerful electrochemical computational units on the planet, the programming is not the best and is prone to failure at the most inconvenient times. If insurers can save a shitload of money on claims by “encouraging” people to buy self-driving cars, then they will do so and with gusto.
re: #255 b.d.
Hello all Lizards, hope everyone is doing OK.
I had a good day over here on the other side of the world. At least, I’m not as depressed as I was on Wednesday.
re: #256 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I had a good day over here on the other side of the world. At least, I’m not as depressed as I was on Wednesday.
Good, yep, baby steps here too. It is going to be a glorious weekend, weather wise, here in North Texas.
A realization: Conservativism = Hydra. First they started out in the Democratic party. After that failed, they went underground for a while, infiltrated Republicans, and are now coming out with the introduction of Donald Trump as their figure head.
re: #258 Belafon
A realization: Conservativism = Hydra. First they started out in the Democratic party. After that failed, they went underground for a while, infiltrated Republicans, and are now coming out with the introduction of Donald Trump as their figure head.
Red Skull with hair and a color change
re: #77 Stanley Sea
I have no words.
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Young people gave Hillary 1,200 roses.Hillary came and left one for each of her campaign’s staff. “Think of the hope”
Wow, class personified.
But are we to believe this is the real Hillary?
Or, is she the cold and calculating Hillary that so many of her detractors try to push?
I’m going with class. The woman has been through three very tough political wars: two elections and the Benghazi and email “scandals” as Secretary of State. And yet, she still stands and thinks of all her people in the campaign.
I don’t remember Romney doing anything like that…in fact the opposite.
I know we are all supposed to join hands with Trump now and dream of a new united America. But I guess I am one of those types that have a memory and will always be extremely cautious of anything Trump. How do you ever determine when the man is being honest and not trying to con you to get something over on your?
Trump has a huge hurdle to jump to gain any respect with me, and I bet over half this country. It will take a lot before I ever use the word class in association with Donald J. Trump. I will respect the office…he needs to make me respect the man.
I wish we could all stop doing infighting here. :’(
re: #85 BeachDem
Damn. Crying again—but this is like the crying earlier reading Robby Mook’s email— guess it’s progress of a sort.
I haven’t read that email yet. I can’t.
You could call me a sore loser. I prefer to call me a hurt hopeful.
Teju Cole gets it https://t.co/j0NMI3snDl
— Felix Salmon (@felixsalmon) November 12, 2016
re: #90 BeachDem
What is he, fucking 3 years old? Dog, what a total and complete asshole he is.
I still like the comment left on that Slate article about the purist lefty who just couldn’t bring herself to vote for Hillary—
It’s like you had sex without a condom and now we have Rosemary’s baby as our president.
BeachDem, you crack me up. Some of your comments post election have been, well…crude. But, oh so effective. Maybe it is wrong to laugh, but it beats crying about it all.
I am waiting for Verizon to install my Fios. It is supposed to be better than what I have now.
re: #265 PhillyPretzel
I am waiting for Verizon to install my Fios. It is supposed to be better than what I have now.
Remember to Fios your teeth, too
re: #266 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I do not want it. It is either accept the Fios or no service at all.
re: #121 goddamnedfrank
Instinct Magazine @instinctmag
Log Cabin Republicans: Send Money So We Can Save LGBT Advances Made Under President Obama bit.ly
1:41 PM - 11 Nov 2016
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What in the hell kind of thinking is this???
You voted the bozo in and now you are scared of the clown?
I’m sorry, I don’t want any of my comments to seem to be anti LGBT, but Log Cabin Republicans, you seem to have a sick masochistic side to your organization. You all need to rethink your politics, ‘cuz it is a mess.
re: #263 JasonA
That was good. I refuse to accept it. And I think, in this case, the majority of American’s who voted against Trump will need to make sure they stand against the stuff that will be done by him/in his name. And we’ll need to (slightly) shame those who didn’t vote into being better participants.
re: #267 PhillyPretzel
I do not want it. It is either accept the Fios or no service at all.
Here it is Comcast. No real choice. Sucks.
re: #268 ObserverArt
What in the hell kind of thinking is this???
You voted the bozo in and now you are scared of the clown?
I’m sorry, I don’t want any of my comments to seem to be anti LGBT, but Log Cabin Republicans, you seem to have a sick masochistic side to your organization. You all need to rethink your politics, ‘cuz it is a mess.
Right before the election, someone had posted a comment from someone that said that since gays had won gay marriage and the right to be in the military, they were done, and wouldn’t have trouble supporting Trump. They have no clue what happened to blacks after the Civil War, that they had gotten quite a few rights, had made it into elected office, and then had all of that taken away by conservatives. It can happen again.
re: #270 Barefoot Grin
I held off as long as I could. The only reason why I am getting it now is that it is get Fios or all service will be suspended.
re: #263 JasonA
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Great read, I felt my muscles involuntarily untensing as I read it.
I bought a subscription to the NYT yesterday, one of my very recent vows is to try and broaden my news sources and chunk other ones.
re: #218 Nyet
I don’t see Pence, for example, ever holding the rainbow flag. Trump did. Sure, because it had his name on it, but it shows he’s an opportunist more than an ideologue. This creates openings that could be exploited. Is success probable? No, but it would be foolish not to try.
I’m sorry, but I see Pence as something we have discussed here at LGF, but only in a theoretical way…a caution. Now we have some reality.
Pence is the freaking American Taliban come to a high office in our government. Sure he wears a suit…but in that suit is a Christian Fundamental Terrorist.
You know, the conservatives have said we need to use the right words to describe the enemy. I think I just did.
re: #273 b.d.
Great read, I felt my muscles involuntarily untensing as I read it.
I bought a subscription to the NYT yesterday, one of my very recent vows is to try and broaden my news sources and chunk other ones.
I picked up WaPo a couple of days ago. About to do the same for NYTimes. Probably more. And writing letters to their editors telling them what I expect of them.
re: #272 PhillyPretzel
I held off as long as I could. The only reason why I am getting it now is that it is get Fios or all service will be suspended.
Yeah, I should have said “xfinity” from Comcast. I have been threatening to get rid of the tv part of our contract for awhile, but we love watching international soccer (and I hate dealing with the Comcast people). But with Trump on even more I’m definitely going to do it.
re: #274 ObserverArt
I’m sorry, but I see Pence as something we have discussed here at LGF, but only in a theoretical way…a caution. Now we have some reality.
Pence is the freaking American Taliban come to a high office in our government. Sure he wears a suit…but in that suit is a Christian Fundamental Terrorist.
You know, the conservatives have said we need to use the right words to describe the enemy. I think I just did.
He is why I fear anything happening to President Trump
The hits keep coming.
Guess which president elect has shares in the Dakota Access Pipeline? https://t.co/PfpWG4uke0
— Hari Kunzru (@harikunzru) November 12, 2016
Then there is the matter of the president-elect’s stock portfolio. Trump has holdings in Dakota Access pipeline company Energy Transfer Partners. In his first 100 days, Trump has pledged to remove every impediment to the pipeline, which has been the subject of protests violently suppressed by police in North Dakota.
re: #274 ObserverArt
I’m sorry, but I see Pence as something we have discussed here at LGF, but only in a theoretical way…a caution. Now we have some reality.
Pence is the freaking American Taliban come to a high office in our government. Sure he wears a suit…but in that suit is a Christian Fundamental Terrorist.
You know, the conservatives have said we need to use the right words to describe the enemy. I think I just did.
And this is incompatible with what I wrote how?
I’ve seen enough of this stupid meme on teh twitters to make my own:
No, it does not. @Ms_Revisionista @zappamel @MLKstudios pic.twitter.com/IqMZJLiyV1
— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) November 12, 2016
Questions:
Is there a way to avoid the JPEG compression errors?
Is there a better text distribution/layout for twitter? When one clicks on this and the whole image shows up, it’s too small to read…
Today was the first below freezing temps here in Columbus for the fall. It is now warm enough to go to the store to do some grocery shopping. I have high performance summer tires on…and they don’t like temps below 40° much.
Brrrr… to the store I go. Actually my first foray out in the new Trump Made Great America. Also known as the public. Been in bunker mode and only have visited friends and clients since the election.
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I’ve never been less motivated to go to work than I am today. I don’t even want to look at the faces of my rich ass white clients.
— Tonya Wind Singer (@Tonya_Song) November 12, 2016
Most of them are really well off & I worry about what they think of me. In the past I’ve gotten an “affirmative action” comment from one.
— Tonya Wind Singer (@Tonya_Song) November 12, 2016
re: #280 Nyet
And this is incompatible with what I wrote how?
It’s not. You may be taking my “I’m sorry” opening the wrong way Sergey. I used it to say I think it may be even worse than what you wrote. Just adding to your comment. It is sometimes a phrase that can mean, in addition: I’m sorry you may not have explained how bad it can get. Go further.
And then that allowed me to riff on the “Radical Islamic Terrorist” convention the conservatives want everyone to use to define our terrorist enemies.
I’m with you! Not meant as a criticism, sorry if it came off that way.
re: #273 b.d.
Great read, I felt my muscles involuntarily untensing as I read it.
I bought a subscription to the NYT yesterday, one of my very recent vows is to try and broaden my news sources and chunk other ones.
I’m getting a subscription to the Dallas Observer for that reason.
re: #283 ObserverArt
Today was the first below freezing temps here in Columbus for the fall. It is now warm enough to go to the store to do some grocery shopping. I have high performance summer tires on…and they don’t like temps below 40° much.
Brrrr… to the store I go. Actually my first foray out in the new Trump Made Great America. Also known as the public. Been in bunker mode and only have visited friends and clients since the election.
I wish I was driving down to Columbus to watch the Buckeyes play… perfect weather for it.
re: #168 Anymouse
You may recall Mr. Trump was complaining about the protests yesterday over his election.
He sure flipped fast:
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That’s not Trump. They finally got his phone away from him for good.
re: #276 Shiplord Kirel
RWNJs were posting this bullshit for Veteran’s Day:
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Yeah, Trumpanzees, I did that. Also went to college, a pretty good one in fact.
Gandhi’s and MLK’s marches were also for freedom. Not every battle requires a gun.
The only two liberals in the area I work in at my government contractor job are the only two people who served in the military.
re: #291 Skip Intro
That’s not Trump. They finally got his phone away from him for good.
I can’t help but think about a sitcom-like sibling fight between Kellyanne and Trump for the phone. Sadly, it’s probably not far off from the truth.
re: #292 Belafon
Gandhi’s and MLK’s marches were also for freedom. Not every battle requires a gun.
The only two liberals in the area I work in at my government contractor job are the only two people who served in the military.
Funny how the people who tell liberals to join up are the same people who never served themselves.
re: #293 Myron Falwell (no relation)
I can’t help but think about a sitcom-like sibling fight between Kellyanne and Trump for the phone. Sadly, it’s probably not far off from the truth.
More like Three’s Company
re: #295 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
More like Three’s Company
Except that none of the people have any sort of visual appeal.
Only in America does the political party that just won the most votes wonder what they have to do to win elections.
— Matt O’Brien (@ObsoleteDogma) November 11, 2016
re: #261 Ziggy_TARDIS
I wish we could all stop doing infighting here. :’(
It will pass in time. Most of us are still in shock about how wrong we were about our country.
re: #276 Shiplord Kirel
RWNJs were posting this bullshit for Veteran’s Day:
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Yeah, Trumpanzees, I did that. Also went to college, a pretty good one in fact.
No offense to our lizards both actively serving or retired, but when did this country last fight a war over or to protect our freedoms? In the years since 1945, when have we actively fought a war or a conflict against a foe that actually posed a credible threat to the US? We fought a “Cold War” with the Soviets, but it was “cold” because we never actively went to war. We fought a lot of conflicts that were over treaty obligations or because we were propping up a “pro-US” country, but the Soviets never actively engaged us in a shooting war.
re: #298 Skip Intro
But we already lost a few people. :’(
re: #299 Targetpractice
No offense to our lizards both actively serving or retired, but when did this country last fight a war over or to protect our freedoms? In the years since 1945, when have we actively fought a war or a conflict against a foe that actually posed a credible threat to the US? We fought a “Cold War” with the Soviets, but it was “cold” because we never actively went to war. We fought a who lot of conflicts that were over treaty obligations or because we were propping up a “pro-US” country, but the Soviets never actively engaged us in a shooting war.
Be patient. Republicans are in control again.
re: #274 ObserverArt
I’m sorry, but I see Pence as something we have discussed here at LGF, but only in a theoretical way…a caution. Now we have some reality.
Pence is the freaking American Taliban come to a high office in our government. Sure he wears a suit…but in that suit is a Christian Fundamental Terrorist.
You know, the conservatives have said we need to use the right words to describe the enemy. I think I just did.
Ah Pence.
I fear we have put Nehemiah Scudder one heartbeat from the throne-to-be.
re: #300 Ziggy_TARDIS
So has the other site I post at. They may come back when they cool off.
re: #304 thedopefishlives
What, exactly, did I miss?
Yeah, I’m coming into this a bit late myself. The last couple weeks have been…interesting and so I’ve sort of been out of the loop LGF-wise.
They’re still foaming at the mouth:
Dude you have clearly failed to read what I wrote. Their data has n.t.d. with 6M. @MLKstudios @Ms_Revisionista @zappamel
— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) November 12, 2016
re: #304 thedopefishlives
The aftermath of this sorry excuse of an election.
re: #308 PhillyPretzel
The aftermath of this sorry excuse of an election.
Yeah, I get that, but I’m never around when the interesting stuff happens. Who left?
‘Morning, Lizardim,
It got pretty chilly here on LI, after being kinda warm the past couple of days. Looking back, it seems I went into head-down mode and got a relative crap-load of work done this week - a lot more than I thought I’d get done when I woke up on Wednesday morning.
And today? I’ve got one (1) oak tree and one (1) maple tree in or front yard, and the leaves from said trees need to be blown/raked into a pile and then stuffed into large plastic bags. I bought a spanky new leaf blower last week and will take it on its shakedown cruise shortly.
Some traditions go on no mater how big of a d-bag gets elected president. And putting my back into something physical (ouch, already) will probably make me feel somewhat better.
What are you guys up to today? Wanna help bag some leaves?
Actually, I’m quite surprised how quickly Trump is backing off campaign promises. Just 3 days in and he’ already admitting that Obamacare will just be amended. I think Obama used the Jedi mind trick on him during their meeting.
Trump: I’m going to cancel Obamacare
Obama: *waves hand* You’re not going to cancel Obamacare
Trump: I’m not going to cancel Obamacare
Obama: You’re going to make a few changes, but keep the core of the program intact
Trump: I’m going to make a few changes, but keep the core of the program intact.
Obama: You’re going to tweet how much you love anti-trump protestors…
Trump:
Love the fact that the small groups of protesters last night have passion for our great country. We will all come together and be proud!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 11, 2016
re: #121 goddamnedfrank
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Little late for that. Maybe you guys should have supported the only candidate to support President Obama’s LGBT protections. Shit is unbelievable.
re: #311 Ace-o-aces
Trump is susceptible to this kind of stuff. Obama understands this. Good.
Bad thing: Putin understands this too.
re: #313 Nyet
Trump is susceptible to this kind of stuff. Obama understands this. Good.
Bad thing: Putin understands this too.
Now all he has to do is bring Rasputin back and send him over as a “foreign policy advisor”…
re: #306 freetoken
They’re still foaming at the mouth:
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Remember when Obama came into office and then said (in so many words) that he wouldn’t be calling for investigations into or prosecutions stemming from the various scandals of the past administration, that it was time for the country to move forward and come together to address the real issues we all faced?
Good times.
re: #313 Nyet
Trump is susceptible to this kind of stuff. Obama understands this. Good.
Bad thing: Putin understands this too.
Trump is one of the most easily manipulated people I have ever seen. He will bounce back and forth on policy based on whomever last praised him.
One nice thing that came out of the election…The Clinton Foundation is now just a nice little family business with Pa behind the counter in his apron, Ma by the register, and daughter Chelsea filing receipts while the grand kids play with a bug on the floor. Almost sounds like something Norman Rockwell would want to paint.
re: #245 Pawn of the Oppressor
Got a friend on FB reposting stuff by some guy called Amiri King. Typical “Get a jerb hippie LOL” anti-“liberal” stuff. Good god, it’s annoying. Latest thing is a meme which lists Milo’s gayness as proof that Trump isn’t racist. Uhm OK?
I had thought my friend was smarter, but I guess not.
I think he’s one of those other dickhead millenial wingnuts, I’ve seen him in my feed before. My friend doesn’t use him as much as Shapiro or Crowder but I’ve seen his stuff from King too. So ironic that he accuses liberals of being patronizing and condescending when he posts stuff by those three whom post nothing but condescending crap.
@zappamel @MLKstudios @Ms_Revisionista “No need” - true, the dogma of the Holocaust denial religion needs no proof.
— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) November 12, 2016
I’m waiting for the Congress to defund the Clinton foundation like they defunded Acorn…
re: #321 Joe Bacon
I’m waiting for the Congress to defund the Clinton foundation like they defunded Acorn…
Planned Parenthood first. Man.
re: #318 darthstar
One nice thing that came out of the election…The Clinton Foundation is now just a nice little family business with Pa behind the counter in his apron, Ma by the register, and daughter Chelsea filing receipts while the grand kids play with a bug on the floor. Almost sounds like something Norman Rockwell would want to paint.
And in a couple of years, they’ll be in a position to start putting some of that money to use for the desperate people in the Midwest.
re: #321 Joe Bacon
I’m waiting for the Congress to defund the Clinton foundation like they defunded Acorn…
What, and abandon any hope they have of putting numerous Clinton associates in prison on trumped-up charges? Never. No, they’ll allow it to keep running so long as they can run as many investigations into “corruption” as they can get away with.
I hate saying it as a millennial but we’re not going to be able to count on that generation to change a lot of conservatism. As many of you no doubt know, millennial conservatives are just as nasty and reactionary minded ,n fact, I’d say many are the backbone of the alt-right so that’s not going to change things. I was very encouraged with how the K-12 kids voted in the Scholastic mock election but that doesn’t tell us everything.
re: #326 HappyWarrior
I hate saying it as a millennial but we’re not going to be able to count on that generation to change a lot of conservatism. As many of you no doubt know, millennial conservatives are just as nasty and reactionary minded ,n fact, I’d say many are the backbone of the alt-right so that’s not going to change things. I was very encouraged with how the K-12 kids voted in the Scholastic mock election but that doesn’t tell us everything.
We need millennial liberal to start running for local offices.
I’ve been thinking about that. The DNC really should put out a “how to run for office” guide.
re: #327 Belafon
We need millennial liberal to start running for local offices.
I’ve been thinking about that. The DNC really should put out a “how to run for office” guide.
Yeah we do.
Okay. The Fios person is here and he has to drill a couple of holes to install the “converter.” And her can put the fiber modem next to my current modem. So far so good.
re: #326 HappyWarrior
I hate saying it as a millennial but we’re not going to be able to count on that generation to change a lot of conservatism. As many of you no doubt know, millennial conservatives are just as nasty and reactionary minded ,n fact, I’d say many are the backbone of the alt-right so that’s not going to change things. I was very encouraged with how the K-12 kids voted in the Scholastic mock election but that doesn’t tell us everything.
What it tells us is the next generation hasn’t yet gotten old enough where cynicism and anger warps their set of moral values. We won’t really know until they’re at college age whether or not they’re going to be the generation that changes things…or another generation of dopeheads sitting in their dorms and talking about how voting doesn’t change anything.
this: pic.twitter.com/q0b2ttBO1y
— maria lia (@MariaLiaCalvo) November 12, 2016
White students at University of Pennsylvania are adding black student to a lynching group in plans to kill, Rt this. Time to stop being nice pic.twitter.com/QgbRP43ye4
— The Real Destiny M. (@sweet_novacanee) November 11, 2016
@zappamel @NathanAngelus @MLKstudios @Ms_Revisionista [citation needed]
— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) November 12, 2016
re: #330 Targetpractice
What it tells us is the next generation hasn’t yet gotten old enough where cynicism and anger warps their set of moral values. We won’t really know until they’re at college age whether or not they’re going to be the generation that changes things…or another generation of dopeheads sitting in their dorms and talking about how voting doesn’t change anything.
Yeah we will see what happens. I’m definitely not as optimistic about our generation as I once was.
re: #332 JasonA
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And that’s exactly why the liberal students that condescending right wing assholes and even some left wing ones had a fucking point but let’s call them opponents of free speech because they were opposed to racism being prevalent on their campuses.
Kind of crazy to think about, but Republicans have only won the popular vote once since 1988.
— Matt Pearce (@mattdpearce) November 12, 2016
re: #332 JasonA
If this is happening someone should call the Penn Police. U of Penn does not take kindly to this type of situation.
re: #336 Ace-o-aces
And we need to turn that into a weapon.
re: #336 Ace-o-aces
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And yet won three elections. One man, one vote. End of story.
re: #333 Nyet
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Jesus christ. JOOOOOOOOS!!!
“More like RED HEBREW STAR, AMIRITE???”
Where do they come up with this stuff??
re: #324 Belafon
And in a couple of years, they’ll be in a position to start putting some of that money to use for the desperate people in the Midwest.
Leave the midwest alone. They’re not to blame for Hillary losing any more than the FBI, Putin, Sanders, coastal elites like myself, or chem trails.
I’m afraid this was going to be ugly regardless of what happened but it’s really bad since the president-elect has blessed this sort of behavior. All these condescending right wing assholes are shitting on people protesting but not a goddamned word for shit like this.
Mistrial declared
Ham. Co. Prosecutor says jury was leaning toward acquittal on murder, guilty on manslaughter charges: https://t.co/d8vX42Pn09 #TensingTrial pic.twitter.com/h1ZG4YuShZ
— Local 12/WKRC-TV (@Local12) November 12, 2016
Deters will make a decision later about retrying. He thinks it’s murder. Jury leaned toward voluntary manslaughter #TensingTrial
— Angenette Levy (@Angenette5) November 12, 2016
Things are calm right now in Cincinnati.
re: #340 Timothy Watson
I see. Thanks. And DP (Daily Pennsylvanian) is a good source for what is going on in West Philly.
re: #331 Ace-o-aces
Get fired, get ran out of town, have an employer who trashes you on the job reference for forever.
I think we are getting to him.
@NathanAngelus @S_ergeyR_omanov @MLKstudios @Ms_Revisionista PLS DONT QUOTE TRASH. WE ARE NOT STUPID
— zappa (@zappamel) November 12, 2016
re: #342 darthstar
Leave the midwest alone. They’re not to blame for Hillary losing any more than the FBI, Putin, Sanders, coastal elites like myself, or chem trails.
The Midwest is about to seriously get hurt by Republican policies. I didn’t blame them, I said they’re going to need help. Remember a few years ago when dentists were having to do work in America that they had to do in poor countries?
re: #334 HappyWarrior
Yeah we will see what happens. I’m definitely not as optimistic about our generation as I once was.
I lost a lot my optimism over the years, but I think what really should have been a red flag for me was talking to my coworker Tuesday morning after my shift ended. I brought up the election to her and joked about how it was her civic duty to vote. And without missing a beat, she told me with a big and honest grin that she wasn’t voting because she didn’t think it mattered. And she’s not some little nitwit, she’s got a college education, so I know she’s got more than two neurons firing in her head.
That is what is going to fuck our generation over a bramble patch: We have not yet grown up enough to get it through our thick skulls that our not voting is why our votes don’t matter.
re: #348 Nyet
Those two statements seem to conflict with each other. Saying he’s not stupid, but spouting off a pile of stupid crap.
re: #346 Alyosha
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Even though I’m an atheist, I’ve been thinking of making a t-shirt that says “Jesus didn’t tolerate the money changers. I won’t tolerate bigots.”
Edited to sound better.
@S_ergeyR_omanov @MLKstudios @Ms_Revisionista
I DENY LIES
TAKE EM & SHOVE EM UP YOUR NETHER REGIONS— zappa (@zappamel) November 12, 2016
re: #350 Targetpractice
I lost a lot my optimism over the years, but I think what really should have been a red flag for me was talking to my coworker Tuesday morning after my shift ended. I brought up the election to her and joked about how it was her civic duty to vote. And without missing a beat, she told me with a big and honest grin that she wasn’t voting because she didn’t think it mattered. And she’s not some little nitwit, she’s got a college education, so I know she’s got more than two neurons firing in her head.
That is what is going to fuck our generation over a bramble patch: We have not yet grown up enough to get it through our thick skulls that our not voting is why our votes don’t matter.
We either have a lot of people like Shapiro, Crowder, and friends or a lot of people who think they’re above it all. I consider myself much liberal than the average but I’m also very pragmatic minded when it comes down to business.
re: #348 Nyet
I think we are getting to him.
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Tell him he’s full of shit, because everybody knows the Rothschilds are actually Rosicrucians, and not Jews.
True fact, vaccines contain Kosher wine and if you vaccinate your kid, they’re automatically turned into a Jew.
re: #355 Pawn of the Oppressor
Tell him he’s full of shit, because everybody knows the Rothschilds are actually Rosicrucians, and not Jews.
True fact, vaccines contain Kosher wine and if you vaccinate your kid, they’re automatically turned into a Jew.
It’s true. I had a vaccine once and I suddenly wanted to control global banking and eat a latke. //
*builds a time machine*
*goes back in time to trump as a baby*
*whispers in baby’s ear*
always remember that you are loved unconditionally— John DeVore (@JohnDeVore) November 12, 2016
Sadly @VICE has severed its relationship with me for reporting that multi-millionaire Clinton surrogate @lenadunham deceived the public.
— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) November 11, 2016
re: #355 Pawn of the Oppressor
Tell him he’s full of shit, because everybody knows the Rothschilds are actually Rosicrucians, and not Jews.
True fact, vaccines contain Kosher wine and if you vaccinate your kid, they’re automatically turned into a Jew.
Speaking of vaccines—the one consistent position Donald Trump has maintained over the years is his rabid antivaccinationism.
Donald Trump and Andrew Wakefield. This picture should scare you. The two met in August. Now that Trump is President-Elect, how much influence will antivaxers have in the impending Trump administration? Oh, and this is the best outfit Andrew Wakefield could come up with to meet with a major Presidential candidate?Maybe Ben Carson’s going to Education because Saint Andy is our next Surgeon-General?
re: #359 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge
Speaking of vaccines—the one consistent position Donald Trump has maintained over the years is his rabid antivaccinationism.
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Maybe Ben Carson’s going to Education because Saint Andy is our next Surgeon-General?
Just one of many many many things messed up about the president elect.
@zappamel @NathanAngelus @MLKstudios @Ms_Revisionista Thank you for showing once again that denial is but a religious dogma.
— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) November 12, 2016
re: #346 Alyosha
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Of all the tricks that the GOP has discovered over recent decades, arguing that one must tolerate intolerance because otherwise one is intolerant has gotta be up there towards the top. There’s numerous variations, whether it be saying one must tolerate racism or else be viewed as racist or that intolerance of bigoted views makes one a bigot, are part of the reason why they’ve been able to convince so many people that there is “no difference” between them and the DNC.
re: #363 Targetpractice
Of all the tricks that the GOP has discovered over recent decades, arguing that one must tolerate intolerance because otherwise one is intolerant has gotta be up there towards the top. There’s numerous variations, whether it be saying one must tolerate racism or else be viewed as racist or that intolerance of bigoted views makes one a bigot, are part of the reason why they’ve been able to convince so many people that there is “no difference” between them and the DNC.
Yeah I’m tired of being called a hypocrite because I want my gay friends to not be treated as perverts but because I have no patience at all for people who call them perverts and demonic. Fuck that.
re: #364 Timothy Watson
Uh, what?
More Lena Dunham obsession from the bros. Shrug. I’ve never watched a single episode of GIrls in my life but the hatred these guys have for is pathetic.
re: #116 goddamnedfrank
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Probably similar to how states enforce the illegality of bringing liquor over state lines. They won’t do checkpoints or anything like that - but if you’re stopped for a traffic violation or something like that and find out-of-state ammo it probably just becomes another charge or fine to add onto the ticket.
It will be interesting if the packaging for ammo ever starts carrying RFID tags or other information with it that indicates where it was shipped to or sold from. And probably some fine attached for removing the tags or repackaging the ammo until just before it is used.
re: #365 HappyWarrior
Yeah I’m tired of being called a hypocrite because I want my gay friends to not be treated as perverts but because I have no patience at all for people who call them perverts and demonic. Fuck that.
Ayep, “we need to be tolerant of opposing views.” Fuck you, nobody is going to make me tolerate saying that homosexuality is a crime against nature that should carry the death penalty.
re: #366 HappyWarrior
More Lena Dunham obsession from the bros. Shrug. I’ve never watched a single episode of GIrls in my life but the hatred these guys have for is pathetic.
Me neither, these people have some serious issues.
re: #368 Targetpractice
Ayep, “we need to be tolerant of opposing views.” Fuck you, nobody is going to make me tolerate saying that homosexuality is a crime against nature that should carry the death penalty.
Yeah, I hate that most of all. There is no way in hell I’m going to be tolerant of alt-right racist, sexist, and homophobic bullshit. Doesn’t mean I think people who believe it should be jailed but they should be called out for what they are if they’re going to make it a big part of who they are.
re: #350 Targetpractice
I lost a lot my optimism over the years, …
I’m downright cynical by now. Some may think it’s better to not be a cynic, but I am finding it not to be that bad:
For the Cynics, the purpose of life was to live in virtue, in agreement with nature. As reasoning creatures, people could gain happiness by rigorous training and by living in a way which was natural for themselves, rejecting all conventional desires for wealth, power, sex and fame. Instead, they were to lead a simple life free from all possessions.
Ok, so you might say that is the ancient school, not the contemporary meaning of the word.
But should we not disbelieve in the goodness of others? A running theme in anthropology is how to deal with human cooperation - why do we do it? One understanding is that cooperation is an evolved trait to ensure the passing on of our familial (breeding group) DNA. But there’s not really a good way to explain cooperating on a global scale if not just selfish interests are at play.
Not voting is a statement of disbelief in our government. It is thus itself a form of cynicism.
Though cynical, I still vote, because at least in my local races it does matter. There were some local races this time where the good people won, when in previous attempts they lost and others won. So I know that in my local races voting clearly matters.
re: #369 Timothy Watson
Me neither, these people have some serious issues.
It borders on stalker syndrome.
re: #126 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Reminder: BeachDem lives in a state just as red as yours.
But it’s on the coast, so I guess it doesn’t count.
I live in a Red State since Tuesday.
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— Nasty Hombre (@franklinftw) November 12, 2016
re: #363 Targetpractice
Of all the tricks that the GOP has discovered over recent decades, arguing that one must tolerate intolerance because otherwise one is intolerant has gotta be up there towards the top. There’s numerous variations, whether it be saying one must tolerate racism or else be viewed as racist or that intolerance of bigoted views makes one a bigot, are part of the reason why they’ve been able to convince so many people that there is “no difference” between them and the DNC.
I remember running up against this problem whilst trying to justify my intolerance for a Christian friend’s homophobia.
Especially when it’s a tactic taught in fundamentalist churches from a young age.
It’s difficult to unpack the concept’s importance to someone whose own biases lead them to see any kind of pushback, however civil, as hatespeech.
A common central missing piece in their reasoning seems to be the very concept of irony.
Coffee thoughts
Think Maybe Trumps real GOP problem is that he must now shine on his own, having lost the “Clinton Shadow” in which anything seemed better?
— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) November 12, 2016
re: #289 Myron Falwell (no relation)
I wish I was driving down to Columbus to watch the Buckeyes play… perfect weather for it.
I just got back from shopping and saw your comment. Yeah, a great day for football. Not a cloud in the sky, very little breeze and supposed to get to 48/50° by game time.
How to purge your essences of INTERNATIONAL JEWISH INFLUENCE
The INTERNATIONAL JEW controls BANKING, COMMERCE, FINANCE, the MEDIA, THE RED CROSS, and DENTAL HYGEINE AMONG OTHER THINGS!!!
BUT there IS A WAY you can REMOVE JEWISH INFLUENCE WITH THESE SIMPLE STEPS.
1. STRIP and cover your GENITALS with aluminum foil. Clothing IS JEWISH CONTROLLED and may contain FABRICS which absorb JEW POWER. The aluminum foil will protect your essences from control rays.
2. GO TO THE GROCERY STORE. DO NOT TAKE A CAR or BICYCLE. WHEELS stir up MAGNETIC RAYS which can be influenced by JEW POWER. The less wheels, the better! WALKING or a UNICYCLE will protect you! SKATEBOARDS ARE OK because the wheels are small.
3. GO TO THE MEAT AISLE. DO NOT go through the aisle with the band-aids because the RED CROSS is JEW CONTROLLED. Take AS MUCH PORK AS YOU CAN and RUB YOURSELF WITH PORK PRODUCTS. Pork meat is FORBIDDEN to Jews and pork vitamins are the only protection known against JEWISH CONTROL. Scrub all exposed skin with RAW PORK MEAT. Large pork tenderloins are best for this. Be sure to get pork meat in all of your orifices! Tenderloins are especially good for this! Be sure to choose meat that has pink juice in the bottom of the tray. POUR the JUICES on yourself! They are the best defense against JEWISH INFLUENCE!
4. Once you have CLEANSED yourself with PORK PRODUCTS, remove the GENITAL ALUMINUM PROTECTION and MASTURBATE FURIOUSLY! The JEW ESSENCES have been cleansed in your body and the ONLY WAY to remove them is through your GENITALS!
5. DO NOT let bystanders or JEWISH CONTROLLED POLICE stop you! If ANYBODY tries to STOP YOU, you must shout “NEBUCHADNEZZAR!” Until the JEW-CONTROLLED POLICE back away from you. JEWS fear the name of BABYLONIAN KINGS as well as PORK.
With THIS TIME-TESTED METHOD practiced by the KNIGHTS TEMPLARS in ANCIENT JERUSALEM you will be FREE from ZIONIST JEW INFLUENCE.
Democrats now control only 13 state legislatures (26%). If they lose 1 more they fall below the % needed to stop constitutional amendments. pic.twitter.com/6tVxNSoO2q
— Marc Porter Magee (@marcportermagee) November 12, 2016
re: #310 makeitstop
‘Morning, Lizardim,
It got pretty chilly here on LI, after being kinda warm the past couple of days. Looking back, it seems I went into head-down mode and got a relative crap-load of work done this week - a lot more than I thought I’d get done when I woke up on Wednesday morning.
And today? I’ve got one (1) oak tree and one (1) maple tree in or front yard, and the leaves from said trees need to be blown/raked into a pile and then stuffed into large plastic bags. I bought a spanky new leaf blower last week and will take it on its shakedown cruise shortly.
What are you guys up to today? Wanna help bag some leaves?
Many years ago, in California, I lived in an area where seasonal Santa Ana Winds blew for days at a time. The winds always came from uphill blowing directly down the street which had a dog-leg to the right at my house. This created an “eddy” at my driveway. The leaves would pile up almost hip high on my driveway. When driving in and out of the garage it would create a hell of a mess in the garage. If I attempted to sweep the driveway I would actually be sweeping the leaves from the houses upwind as I had no trees. So before leaving for work each day I would use my very large aluminum landscaping rake to push leaves into the street. The wind caught them and down the street they went. I wasn’t about to bag everyones leaves. Nice guy, Huh!
re: #332 JasonA
Nope, the people doing this were in Oklahoma, including an OU student.
re: #376 Unshaken Defiance
George W Bush also came into power under a ‘Clinton Shadow’.
He escaped it by digging.
re: #220 freetoken
Is there a reason you don’t have a few canvas shopping bags with handles that you can take to the grocery with you?
My mother gave me two of those over 20 years ago and I picked up a third at some point. I carry two with me on my 5-block walk to the grocery and the two of them hold a large handbasket of groceries, which is about the right limit for carrying home. I use the car and hit a Wegmans further out for stuff like bottled water and heavy items.
re: #343 HappyWarrior
I’m afraid this was going to be ugly regardless of what happened but it’s really bad since the president-elect has blessed this sort of behavior. All these condescending right wing assholes are shitting on people protesting but not a goddamned word for shit like this.
I think of it as he poisoned the well. Poisoned the well of trust and goodwill that comes of a positive, optimistic campaign. Even as that campaign was massively differentiated by party. Think Reagan V Carter. Nah, that’s too loaded. Maybe think any modern election compared to this one.
You simply don’t get to threaten to break all the rules, act on religious and ethnic and gender based biases and expect any honeymoon from what could have been loyal opposition.
Low energy! No stamina! Sad!
This is incredible https://t.co/FqhUzVgBmf pic.twitter.com/67IoQqk4cs
— Mike Rosenberg (@ByRosenberg) November 12, 2016
This country has elected a part-time President. Unreal.
@mtracey @VICE @lenadunham Don’t worry, there’s probably a place for you in the Pussygrabber administration.
— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) November 12, 2016
re: #379 JasonA
It’s a challenging problem and a troubling one.
As I noted, I’m quite cynical by now. For all their education, I wonder how much the Democratic machinery that is run out of DC or NYC can adapt to the majority of America.
In one sense, as the Democratic party has turned into a more progressive party (i.e., back to the FDR-HHH axis and away from the compromise strategy of WJC) it is embracing a minority view in the American landscape.
re: #387 Lidane
Low energy! No stamina! Sad!
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Oh now the president golfing is okay.
Actor on Silicon Valley.
Was at a bar last night with @Middleditch. At the end of the night, 2 white dudes, 20’s, who’d been there for hours came up to us.
— Kumail Nanjiani (@kumailn) November 12, 2016
re: #306 freetoken
They’re still foaming at the mouth:
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I wonder if Gowdy has any feeling that after this election Hillary will have a lot of sympathetic backers, maybe even some that never voted for her.
This could blow up in his damn face and hurt the Republicans more than they may realize. I hope that is the case.
And he sure is an ugly man…not visually…soul.
@MLKstudios @NathanAngelus @zappamel @Ms_Revisionista That’s literally that best response you’ve got? ROTFL
— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) November 12, 2016
re: #121 goddamnedfrank
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— jim (@jlcoffeecup) November 12, 2016
Pls let this be the next Surgeon General pic.twitter.com/S9TytdnGr1
— The Gob Misser (@UweBollocks) November 12, 2016
“You can troll these people and definitely get some of them to kill themselves,” the Daily Stormer publisher wrote. https://t.co/gYJmRHFli1
— USA TODAY (@USATODAY) November 11, 2016
re: #389 freetoken
It’s a challenging problem and a troubling one.
As I noted, I’m quite cynical by now. For all their education, I wonder how much the Democratic machinery that is run out of DC or NYC can adapt to the majority of America.
In one sense, as the Democratic party has turned into a more progressive party (i.e., back to the FDR-HHH axis and away from the compromise strategy of WJC) it is embracing a minority view in the American landscape.
How do we deal with the fact that the views of the majority of the voters don’t square with the majority of the landowners, and that the majority of the landowners are not progressive? Clinton won the popular vote.
re: #310 makeitstop
‘Morning, Lizardim,
It got pretty chilly here on LI, after being kinda warm the past couple of days. Looking back, it seems I went into head-down mode and got a relative crap-load of work done this week - a lot more than I thought I’d get done when I woke up on Wednesday morning.
And today? I’ve got one (1) oak tree and one (1) maple tree in or front yard, and the leaves from said trees need to be blown/raked into a pile and then stuffed into large plastic bags. I bought a spanky new leaf blower last week and will take it on its shakedown cruise shortly.
What are you guys up to today? Wanna help bag some leaves?
You are allowed to use plastic bags for lawn stuff like leaves?
Here is Columbus we have a recycle program and all yard stuff needs to be put in the large paper yard refuse bags you can buy just about everywhere. Any branches have to but cut to 48 inches or less and tied up with twine. They want noting that is not able to break down in nature, Then the city operates a huge compost facility and then they bag up compost and sell it.
A pretty cool program. That is if everyone uses it. My freaking neighbor sometimes gets lazy and tosses his yard waste into our garbage container out back that we share…and that pisses the city off. It’s not that damn hard to follow the program. And guess what…he’s a conservative. Figures. Grrrrrr.
Some traditions go on no mater how big of a d-bag gets elected president. And putting my back into something physical (ouch, already) will probably make me feel somewhat better.
re: #387 Lidane
Low energy! No stamina! Sad!
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Wingnuts flipped the fuck out when the first couple flew to Chicago for an anniversary date. They have spent the last 8 years wigging out how much it costs to transport any member of the first family beyond the confines of the White House. We’ve seen long screeds about how wrong it is that they go anywhere “on the taxpayer dime.”
Which means if you draw any attention to this, they’ll lose their fucking minds over how you can’t understand that the President is capable of running things no matter where on Earth he is at any given time.
re: #318 darthstar
One nice thing that came out of the election…The Clinton Foundation is now just a nice little family business with Pa behind the counter in his apron, Ma by the register, and daughter Chelsea filing receipts while the grand kids play with a bug on the floor. Almost sounds like something Norman Rockwell would want to paint.
I hope you are kidding. The Clinton Foundation will be investigated and made into something bad. Watch.
On second cup
Those that carried water for Trump just because H Clinton have a problem. She is gone but if they stop they get all wet.
— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) November 12, 2016
re: #276 Shiplord Kirel
RWNJs were posting this bullshit for Veteran’s Day:
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Yeah, Trumpanzees, I did that. Also went to college, a pretty good one in fact.
Marching in a pretty secure spot I see.
Most of the Veteran Day stuff I saw on Facebook was tame and properly respectful. Helps that a decent number of my friends are vets or had parents that were.
I also blocked Stein and Bernie crap that a few others were linking to. Young folk who still need to develop a clue.
Closer to home the neighbor exiled her boyfriend again.* I lent him a jacket since he was being tossed out with only a hoodie to wear. And he’s a vet too.**
* - Ongoing cycle of her tossing him out overnight every couple of weeks over some petty dispute. Enforces it with threats to call the police over some assault claim. And she lets him back in a day or so later. It’s an abusive relationship, but she is the one holding the upper hand.
** - I’d let him crash on the couch in my apartment, but she caught on to that and asked me not to. Plus a threat to sick the police onto him there since she “doesn’t feel safe”. And there are further complications as well, but not worth going into the nuances.
If true this just reeks of insincerity. I don’t follow Dem internals enough to be sure if this is on point. But I do believe that even a whiff of insincerity turns off minority interests voters in ways hard to repair.
On Sept. 5, 2014, Democratic National Committee leaders received a proposal for a plan to boost the Hispanic voter turnout rate using direct mail, phone calls, radio ads and news media appearances. The plan urged that the party focus on Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Nevada, New Mexico and Texas. The cost: $3 million.
“While a strong Democratic allegiance is good for the Party, less than half of eligible Hispanics cast a ballot in 2012,” the proposal reads. “The challenge is not persuading Latinos to vote for Democrats ― our challenge in 2014 is TURNOUT.” [Emphasis in the original.]
The plan was ultimately nixed.
re: #276 Shiplord Kirel
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Yeah, Trumpanzees, I did that. Also went to college, a pretty good one in fact.
Are they saying we should raise an army to defeat Trump /////
re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth
Mistrial declared
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Things are calm right now in Cincinnati.
Well, it is good to see that Deters is pressing for the murder charge.
re: #402 Ace-o-aces
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It was probably hard to hear in the bar, but this is only going to stop if the other people also get involved in stopping it. There are no bouncers in grocery stores. It’s going to take a lot of us standing up to it.
re: #397 Belafon
Clinton won the popular vote.
Yes, she did.
But her margin of winning nationally is much less than her margin of winning here in California.
Which means without California Hillary would have lost the popular vote, by at least a million, maybe two.
Trump hasn’t even taken the oath of office and already he’s bored of the job and trying to swing weekends off. He applied for a job he didn’t really want, lied his ass off during the interview, and now is trying to deal with actually getting hired. I’ve generally laughed in the past when people said he’d quit, but now I’m beginning to wonder if that’s implausible anymore.
re: #375 Alyosha
This is why my preferred argument isn’t about tolerance but rather about inclusion.
I don’t give a rat’s ass, in the end, what your innermost thoughts are about blacks or gays or Jews or Muslims. I care deeply about whether or not you believe in the core principle that we are all Americans with equal rights to participate in our political, civic and economic life.
And you know what? I am not going to be tolerant at ALL to anyone who rejects that basic question of equality.
Looking at the vote totals… without California the differential would be more the two million votes… as our SoS still is counting… and counting… and counting…
re: #351 thedopefishlives
Those two statements seem to conflict with each other. Saying he’s not stupid, but spouting off a pile of stupid crap.
He is just in search of the ultimate truths!
Reporters receiving anti-Semitic mail, experiencing harassment, and more (details in our @ReliableSources digest: https://t.co/m9tk5Y2JBl) pic.twitter.com/Vh0n6VKS6H
— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) November 12, 2016
re: #31 bratwurst
Wow, and here I would have thought it would all be smooth sailing from now on!
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Night of the long knives. I’m sure most of you know what I’m referring to but if not Google it.
re: #409 Targetpractice
Trump hasn’t even taken the oath of office and already he’s bored of the job and trying to swing weekends off. He applied for a job he didn’t really want, lied his ass off during the interview, and now is trying to deal with actually getting hired. I’ve generally laughed in the past when people said he’d quit, but now I’m beginning to wonder if that’s implausible anymore.
Bill Clinton still owes him that $1 he needs to collect.
re: #408 freetoken
Yes, she did.
But her margin of winning nationally is much less than her margin of winning here in California.
Which means without California Hillary would have lost the popular vote, by at least a million, maybe two.
And without California, America would suck as a country, be a lot smaller and poorer, and probably be some different country.
If it weren’t for Texas, where I live, the country would also be a lot different.
re: #379 JasonA
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re: #59 jaunte
I’m pretty sure that Obama politely sank a cold shiv into Trump when he indirectly let him know, by easy references to numbers, countries, leaders, and law, just how much of the job that Trump was completely ignorant of, and unprepared for.
I really hope not. Obama needs to help him out as much as possible and try and sneak in as a helpful advisor Trump cancommiserate with.
Trump can be manipulated and if he gets pissed at the Republicans who are sure to start nitpicking it could be a winning strategy.
Obama needs to fill the role a helpful advisor. Saw signs of that earlier today.
re: #417 ObserverArt
Damn. Not being able to stop amendments is big. Hello Democrats…this needs to be made known more.
Catastrophic.
re: #417 ObserverArt
Damn. Not being able to stop amendments is big. Hello Democrats…this needs to be made known more.
It is, but everyone loves living in California. :)
BUSTED: Teacher caught taunting students their parents will be deported now that Trump is president https://t.co/kacSvp16pQ
— Eliot Higgins (@EliotHiggins) November 12, 2016
re: #416 Belafon
I guess my central point is this: The Democratic party, as envisioned by those who want to be identified as “progressive”, will become (has become) the party of the Progressive Pacific and the densely populated NE Corridor.
We have people on LGF who have told of their struggles to get support from the Democratic party machinery. I can sympathize with them, but in my gut I believe that this is culture war more than anything else.
re: #143 Anymouse
I agree that change has to come from the bottom up. Sometimes the bottom needs help from the top.
Democrats tend to use the term “taker state” the same way that Republicans use “taker” to refer to people on assistance: as a slur.
Jesus, will you stop?!
I am in Colorado. We used to be very reddish purple and now we are bluish purple. It didn’t happen because “coastal elites” quit calling us a flyover state or spent time in our blood red rural areas. It happened because (1) the population became more urban and less rural; and (2) we Democrats worked and continue to work our asses off.
Dude, we are the people we are waiting for. Your endless whining for days on end does nothing to improve things. It just alientates anyone who would otherwise tend to sympathise and want to help.
Prove me wrong. Respond to this by asking me about my experiences with a red flyover state turning blue. Or you could just wallow in being persecuted some more.
re: #424 Alyosha
Trump looks like he’s starting to realize he’s ended a long career of evading responsibility in business and put himself right on the hot seat where he’ll get blamed for everything that goes wrong in the next four years.
Apropos of nothing, but Mrs. Fish is phighting back against a phisher who is pretending to be one of her close friends on Facebook. She’s giving me a play-by-play and it’s highly amusing.
re: #413 JasonA
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One of the key elements to what made the Holocaust possible was Hitler convincing the German people that every negative event in their lives was due to the Jews. You lost your job, it was because your Jewish boss hated you. You lost your home, it was because the Jewish banker took it from you. You got food poisoning, it was the Jewish baker who poisoned your bread. Nothing you did was wrong, you were a good and honest Aryan working for the good of the Fatherland. No, it was the Jews and they needed to be “removed” in order to make Germany great again.
It’s only going to get worse because Trump has realized the key to his success is to turn his enemies into those of the American people.
re: #431 jaunte
Trump looks like he’s starting to realize he’s ended a long career of evading responsibility in business and put himself right on the hot seat where he’ll get blamed for everything that goes wrong in the next four years.
Hopefully Trump can put the bullshit lie that “We just need a businessman” aside for fucking ever.
re: #431 jaunte
Trump looks like he’s starting to realize he’s ended a long career of evading responsibility in business and put himself right on the hot seat where he’ll get blamed for everything that goes wrong in the next four years.
Tribblehead is realizing that he’s going to make James Buchanan look like Superman!
On my way home from the gym. Still trying to absorb hearing people openly talking about a Calexit. Actually talking about secession…
re: #431 jaunte
Trump looks like he’s starting to realize he’s ended a long career of evading responsibility in business and put himself right on the hot seat where he’ll get blamed for everything that goes wrong in the next four years.
I have no intention of just sitting back and hoping that our system of checks and balances are enough to counter him.
re: #436 Joe Bacon
On my way home from the gym. Still trying to absorb hearing people openly talking about a Calexit. Actually talking about secession…
It’s not the first time it’s been discussed seriously by people. Wasn’t there serious talk of secession after Obama was elected?
“Hitler’s only kidding about the antisemitism” New York Times, 1922https://t.co/gDiiv5GkTv pic.twitter.com/r1fN4v6SFY
— Cory Doctorow (@doctorow) November 11, 2016
re: #302 kirkspencer
Ah Pence.
I fear we have put Nehemiah Scudder one heartbeat from the throne-to-be.
Yeah. I keep wondering if Heinlein was off by four years.
re: #436 Joe Bacon
On my way home from the gym. Still trying to absorb hearing people openly talking about a Calexit. Actually talking about secession…
It’ll pass. The point, however, is that we are not powerless. We are a larger economy than all but a few countries. We are not to be pushed around.
re: #438 thedopefishlives
It’s not the first time it’s been discussed seriously by people. Wasn’t there serious talk of secession after Obama was elected?
Yes except that time it was actually floated by elected officials.
re: #436 Joe Bacon
On my way home from the gym. Still trying to absorb hearing people openly talking about a Calexit. Actually talking about secession…
They already have Calexico. (I’m always mixing it up with Mexicali.)
re: #438 thedopefishlives
It’s not the first time it’s been discussed seriously by people. Wasn’t there serious talk of secession after Obama was elected?
And if it happened, how would a President Trump react to this new nation?
I have yet to be convinced that this is a rational idea for California.
Is it just me, or is Trump looking really ashen in the face the last couple of days. He sure looks like he is occupied with one of those “elsewhere” mindsets too. Could that elsewhere be wondering what he is going to do now that he got what he wanted and realizes he is getting way more than he thought.
This is not looking good. He seems to also have that faraway look in his eyes.
re: #442 HappyWarrior
Yes except that time it was actually floated by elected officials.
Fair point. I was going to suggest that no one would seriously be stupid enough to actually go through with it, but then again, we DID just elect Donald Trump as President.
re: #446 ObserverArt
Is it just me, or is Trump looking really ashen in the face the last couple of days. He sure looks like he is occupied with one of those “elsewhere” mindsets too. Could that elsewhere be wondering what he is going to do now that he got what he wanted and realizes he is getting way more than he thought.
This is not looking good. He seems to also have that faraway look in his eyes.
Makeup adjustment.
re: #446 ObserverArt
I think Trump might die in office. pic.twitter.com/UWLUEYucFt
— David Waldman (@KagroX) November 12, 2016
re: #447 thedopefishlives
Some elected officials said the same thing in Texas.
re: #450 Ziggy_TARDIS
Some elected officials said the same thing in Texas.
Yeah, well, Mexico can have that one back.
/half
Things I’m Tired of Hearing:
The American People Have Spoken - No, some American people have spoken. Not all of them.
You must support the President - no, I don’t have to support him at all. Where in your sacred Constitution does it say that?
I just saw on Twitter ‘We won by a landslide but only by a thin margin.’ That’s your Trump voter right there.
re: #446 ObserverArt
Is it just me, or is Trump looking really ashen in the face the last couple of days. He sure looks like he is occupied with one of those “elsewhere” mindsets too. Could that elsewhere be wondering what he is going to do now that he got what he wanted and realizes he is getting way more than he thought.
This is not looking good. He seems to also have that faraway look in his eyes.
I think back to his rather wooden performance at the first night of the RNC, as if he was still trying to process that it was actually happening and he was actually about to be crowned as the nominee. The man either didn’t think he could win or is just now realizing how running for the job bore not resemblance to actually getting the job.
re: #453 Targetpractice
I think back to his rather wooden performance at the first night of the RNC, as if he was still trying to process that it was actually happening and he was actually about to be crowned as the nominee. The man either didn’t think he could win or is just now realizing how running for the job bore not resemblance to actually getting the job.
He was only in for the adulation of the crowds - oh, how it fed his ego! They loved him!
Now……he’s the dog that caught the car and the look on his face confirms it.
re: #452 BigPapa
Things I’m Tired of Hearing:
The American People Have Spoken - No, some American people have spoken. Not all of them.You must support the President - no, I don’t have to support him at all. Where in your sacred Constitution does it say that?
I just saw on Twitter ‘We won by a landslide but only by a thin margin.’ That’s your Trump voter right there.
Yeah, 2009-2016. We saw how well you handle supporting the president.
Edit: Just to be clear, not you, the people you got the quotes from.
re: #455 Belafon
Yeah, 2009-2016. We saw how well you handle supporting the president.
No fucking kidding. And let me add Schumer has said nothing close to what McConnell said about making the President a one term President being his goal.
re: #446 ObserverArt
I hope this doesn’t sound ageist… maybe it is, I don’t know… but 70 is right around the age when people start to enter the age where retirement is probably the best option.
Not all people, of course. I’ve known 70 year olds who were not only very capable but still pushing research, writing papers, doing creative stuff.
It’s all idiosyncratic, of course. Each person’s life arc is unique.
But I noticed during the campaign how often Trump would repeat himself. Some of that is his gimmick. But if you listen to his recordings from 20, 30 years ago you hear a more articulate man than what one hears today. One that doesn’t repeat so much.
Even if Trump doesn’t suffer from dementia, even the healthiest person as they age loses plasticity in regards to thinking new thoughts. We all have to face that.
I’m not that old… but I know I’ve lost quantitative thinking capability. A while back I found my notes from a general relativity seminar I took back in college and I wondered who wrote those notes…
Anyway, yes, Trump is going to really be hit with an accelerated aging process that may be a surprise to him.
OTOH, he may shake off the burdens that caused all those gray hairs in Bush/Obama. Both of them probably grieved when they had to face the families of fallen soldiers. Trump may be sociopathic enough to not really care. I guess we’ll find out.
It’s a good read. Read it. I suspect the last sentence won’t go over well with some people, but Nate calls them as he sees them.
Must-read analysis by @NateSilver538: “We took weeks of abuse from people who thought we overrated Trump’s chances.” https://t.co/PFTXSitkjh pic.twitter.com/A40uN2KCI8
— Jim Roberts (@nycjim) November 12, 2016
re: #449 Alyosha
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We only have the notes of Dr. Feelgood to guess at his state of health, and what was on the note did not seem to bear more than a passing resemblance to reality. He may be the first president since FDR to drop dead of natural causes in office.
re: #457 freetoken
I hope this doesn’t sound ageist… maybe it is, I don’t know… but 70 is right around the age when people start to enter the age where retirement is probably the best option.
Not all people, of course. I’ve known 70 year olds who were not only very capable but still pushing research, writing papers, doing creative stuff.
It’s all idiosyncratic, of course. Each person’s life arc is unique.
But I noticed during the campaign how often Trump would repeat himself. Some of that is his gimmick. But if you listen to his recordings from 20, 30 years ago you hear a more articulate man than what one hears today. One that doesn’t repeat so much.
Even if Trump doesn’t suffer from dementia, even the healthiest person as they age lose plasticity in regards to thinking new thoughts. We all have to face that.
I’m not that old… but I know I’ve lost quantitative thinking capability. A while back I found my notes from a general relativity seminar I took back in college and I wondered who wrote those notes…
Anyway, yes, Trump is going to really be hit with an accelerated aging process that may be a surprise to him.
OTOH, he may shake off the burdens that caused all those gray hairs in Bush/Obama. Both of them probably grieved when they had to face the families of fallen soldiers. Trump may be sociopathic enough to not really care. I guess we’ll find out.
I have to concede while I happily supported Clinton, I was worried that our two most popular candidates were both going to be 70+ their first year in office. It’s why I think peopel floating BErnie around in 2020 are nucking futs.
re: #459 Targetpractice
Does Trump know that the doctors at Bethesda will examine him and not his weirdo doctor?
re: #460 HappyWarrior
I have to concede while I happily supported Clinton, I was worried that our two most popular candidates were both going to be 70+ their first year in office. It’s why I think peopel floating BErnie around in 2020 are nucking futs.
Bernie in 2020, LOLOL. Gimme a fuckin’ break.
re: #461 freetoken
Does Trump know that the doctors at Bethesda will examine him and not his weirdo doctor?
“Mr. Trump, according to the results of your physical, I’m afraid we have some rather bad news.”
re: #461 freetoken
Does Trump know that the doctors at Bethesda will examine him and not his weirdo doctor?
Would you really put it past the man to find some way to argue that his medical records are now a national secret and revealing them might embolden ISIS or Chyna?
re: #462 Dr Lizardo
Bernie in 2020, LOLOL. Gimme a fuckin’ break.
You laugh but it’s being floated. Honestly, I have no idea who will run in 2020 at the momemnt.
re: #465 HappyWarrior
You laugh but it’s being floated. Honestly, I have no idea who will run in 2020 at the momemnt.
Hopefully, someone young(ish), smart, and capable.
re: #458 darthstar
I suspected that Nate was right all along and defended him, though I showed deference to the other poll analysts. I’m afraid in the next election I don’t want to hear from and about Wang et al. anymore.
I’ll still listen to Silver.
re: #466 thedopefishlives
Hopefully, someone young(ish), smart, and capable.
My short list reads Booker, Castro, and Duckworth.
re: #467 Nyet
I suspected that Nate was right all along and defended him, though I showed deference to the other poll analysts. I’m afraid in the next election I don’t want to hear from and about Wang et al. anymore.
I’ll still listen to Silver.
I had little doubt of his data, but even he still showed Hillary with the balance of probability. However, his prediction of instability was spot on.
re: #468 Targetpractice
My short list reads Booker, Castro, and Duckworth.
I like those three a lot too.
Jamelle Bouie wrote a piece the other day that summarizes the problem we face - the Obama voter who voted for Trump. Understanding that is key to understanding why we are where we are, and understanding that is key to fighting it.
Not sure where we go from here, based on that. Republican overreach is likely. Remember in 2005, Bush was going to privatize Social Security. It was going to be his signature issue. The GOP held the House and Senate and the White House. Guess what DIDN’T happen?
Why? Because the Democrats got the word out. Yes, we exercised what legislative power we had, but shining the light on the idea made it unpopular.
re: #467 Nyet
I suspected that Nate was right all along and defended him, though I showed deference to the other poll analysts. I’m afraid in the next election I don’t want to hear from and about Wang et al. anymore.
I’ll still listen to Silver.
You were definitely right when a lot of people myself included were skeptical about Nate’s forecasts. That said, I never dismissed him entirely since I’m aware he talks about percentages rather than certainty. I do think me and Wang overestimated how much the Dems would turnout.
Not to be pedantic but technically speaking many polls were right. Any poll within it’s margin of error was correct. I think we misinterpreted what the polls were actually telling us: it was going to be close.
re: #472 Blind Frog Belly White
Jamelle Bouie wrote a piece the other day that summarizes the problem we face - the Obama voter who voted for Trump. Understanding that is key to understanding why we are where we are, and understanding that is key to fighting it.
Not sure where we go from here, based on that. Republican overreach is likely. Remember in 2005, Bush was going to privatize Social Security. It was going to be his signature issue. The GOP held the House and Senate and the White House. Guess what DIDN’T happen?
Why? Because the Democrats got the word out. Yes, we exercised what legislative power we had, but shining the light on the idea made it unpopular.
Good point. And yeah I guess we were ight and I still think rightfully shocked that anyone who voted Obama could ceven consider Trump.
re: #294 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Funny how the people who tell liberals to join up are the same people who never served themselves.
You have no idea how that attitude (not yours) hurts me. I’ve been told, and implied, that I’m a nobody because Didn’t Serve.
I’m disabled.
Many of my friends and colleagues can’t participate in public protests.
re: #472 Blind Frog Belly White
Jamelle Bouie wrote a piece the other day that summarizes the problem we face - the Obama voter who voted for Trump. Understanding that is key to understanding why we are where we are, and understanding that is key to fighting it.
Not sure where we go from here, based on that. Republican overreach is likely. Remember in 2005, Bush was going to privatize Social Security. It was going to be his signature issue. The GOP held the House and Senate and the White House. Guess what DIDN’T happen?
Why? Because the Democrats got the word out. Yes, we exercised what legislative power we had, but shining the light on the idea made it unpopular.
We also still have to deal with the fact that a lot of Democrats just decided not to turn out.
Honest assessment. I’m still disappointed that O’Malley didn’t do better in the primaries. But he had to do his part to make himself appealing and he did not.
I was wrong about a lot of things this election. I’m going to try and learn from these things and not be wrong again. I’m still reeling that white women went 53/43 for Trump despite his horrible history with women.
re: #477 Belafon
We also still have to deal with the fact that a lot of Democrats just decided not to turn out.
I think that’s the part that kills me most of all. I really do think we underestimated how much HRC is disliked.
re: #468 Targetpractice
Booker did defend Bane Capital at one point, in defiance of Obama’s attacks on equity firms IIRC. However, his speech at the DNC was really good.
Always had a soft spot for him.
re: #479 BigPapa
I was wrong about a lot of things this election. I’m going to try and learn from this things and not be wrong again. I’m still reeling that white women went 53/43 for Trump despite his horrible history with women.
And that that’s the frustrating part. IT’s hard to overcome that without feelings of disillusionment, disgust, and bewilderment.
re: #481 Alyosha
Booker did defend Bane Capital at one point, in defiance of Obama’s attacks on equity firms IIRC. However, his speech at the DNC was really good.
Always had a soft spot for him.
I didn’t like that either but he has been a leader on criminal justice issues which are going to bey in the age of Trump.
re: #480 HappyWarrior
I think that’s the part that kills me most of all. I really do think we underestimated how much HRC is disliked.
I think a few factors were there: misogyny, damage from Bernie or Busters, right wing noise machine still bought by those on the left.
If you look at Obama at 45% unfavorable and HRC at 59% unfavorable, how much of that 14% could be divvied up between those factors?
re: #479 BigPapa
I was wrong about a lot of things this election. I’m going to try and learn from this things and not be wrong again. I’m still reeling that white women went 53/43 for Trump despite his horrible history with women.
I’m just wonder if there’s ever going to be a way to break into Republican ranks without a Great Depression level event.
re: #476 Sherlock Hound
You have no idea how that attitude (not yours) hurts me. I’ve been told, and implied, that I’m a nobody because Didn’t Serve.
I’m disabled.
Many of my friends and colleagues can’t participate in public protests.
Type 1 diabetic so I couldn’t serve either.
My frustration with the protesters is that Hillary’s campaign could have used all that energy over the last couple months.
re: #469 thedopefishlives
I had little doubt of his data, but even he still showed Hillary with the balance of probability. However, his prediction of instability was spot on.
Note that he gave a probability distribution.
It’s not a binary prediction as such. 30% chance of a Trump win still means it’s realistic. (1% - not so much).
re: #487 Nyet
Note that he gave a probability distribution.
It’s not a binary prediction as such. 30% chance of a Trump win still means it’s realistic. (1% - not so much).
Yeah, I understand that.
re: #465 HappyWarrior
You laugh but it’s being floated. Honestly, I have no idea who will run in 2020 at the momemnt.
Had an asshole tell me yesterday that I needed to join the Sanders Revolution. I considered snark but chose “ignore” instead.
re: #478 HappyWarrior
Honest assessment. I’m still disappointed that O’Malley didn’t do better in the primaries. But he had to do his part to make himself appealing and he did not.
Baltimore riots pretty much destroyed any chances he had. Throw in the fact that he encouraged the type of behavior that the Baltimore Police Department was known for, I think he got as far as he deserved to go.
re: #485 Belafon
I’m just wonder if there’s ever going to be a way to break into Republican ranks without a Great Depression level event.
Yes. Hold them accountable. They own it all now.
A friend has brought up a good point that we should have done more focusing on how Trump’s business dealings hurt people. It worked with Romney. Trump was able to portray himself successfully as a working class hero with some parts of the population.
re: #481 Alyosha
Booker did defend Bane Capital at one point, in defiance of Obama’s attacks on equity firms IIRC. However, his speech at the DNC was really good.
Always had a soft spot for him.
I think what we’re going to have to accept going forward is that there are no unicorns in the DNC stable. I just realized I also want to add Mark Warner to the list, even though he’s got the TPP vote on his record. If we want somebody young and inspiring, then we’re gonna have to make compromises.
re: #482 HappyWarrior
Having dinner with my brother and his wife tomorrow. I gave assurances that Trump couldn’t possibly be POTUS.
Thing is, my sister-in-law’s father was a pro-Trumper (he’s a New Zealander so it’s neither here nor there) and I’m certain that she’s used my talking points to push back on him on FB.
She was beside herself with worry on Wednesday.
I feel like such a doofus.
re: #489 William Lewis
Had an asshole tell me yesterday that I needed to join the Sanders Revolution. I considered snark but chose “ignore” instead.
Probably the right idea.
re: #434 HappyWarrior
Hopefully Trump can put the bullshit lie that “We just need a businessman” aside for fucking ever.
W did that.
re: #490 Timothy Watson
Baltimore riots pretty much destroyed any chances he had. Throw in the fact that he encouraged the type of behavior that the Baltimore Police Department was known for, I think he got as far as he deserved to go.
That is true as well.
re: #493 Targetpractice
I think what we’re going to have to accept going forward is that there are no unicorns in the DNC stable. I just realized I also want to add Mark Warner to the list, even though he’s got the TPP vote on his record. If we want somebody young and inspiring, then we’re gonna have to make compromises.
Warner’s a good guy but I don’t want him as a nomiene. I’d entertain him for a cabinet post possibly.
re: #493 Targetpractice
I think what we’re going to have to accept going forward is that there are no unicorns in the DNC stable. I just realized I also want to add Mark Warner to the list, even though he’s got the TPP vote on his record. If we want somebody young and inspiring, then we’re gonna have to make compromises.
Wholeheartedly agree.
re: #484 BigPapa
I think a few factors were there: misogyny, damage from Bernie or Busters, right wing noise machine still bought by those on the left.
If you look at Obama at 45% unfavorable and HRC at 59% unfavorable, how much of that 14% could be divvied up between those factors?
I would like to hate the Bernie or Busters as much as the next guy, but how many of them were there?
re: #496 retired cynic
W did that.
I thought W ran as bipartisan compassionate conservatism. REmember he was a two term governor of a large state.
re: #468 Targetpractice
My short list reads Booker, Castro, and Duckworth.
Duckworth, Baldwin (Sen Wisconsin), Feingold (probably too old).
I’m not sure who could organize this, but, when Ryan starts bringing up Medicare privatization, we need Tea Party level protests, phone calls, and letter writing. And I mean organized, as in people showing up where Republican congress people show up.
Well taking an afternoon today for some fun. Gonna see Arrival. What a cast! Unless you just hate scifi this has gotta look good.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/arrival_2016/
Amy Adams
as Dr. Louise Banks
Jeremy Renner
as Ian Donnelly
Forest Whitaker
as Colonel Weber
Right now, the ONLY thing the DNC needs to focus on is the midterms. We need a full-time chair that works 24/7 to reach younger, more engaged minorities and starts recruiting talent in all 50 states to run for office at the local and state levels.
Midterms midterms midterms. We need to rebuild the Dems from the ground up as a newer progressive party that is fully woke and which understands that they need to stop being Republican Lite and fight back tooth and nail against the GOP’s policies.
Stop normalizing Trump. Stop pulling this wishy-washy shit about both sides, or extending olive branches to the other side for piecemeal progress. Fuck that. The Dems need to find their spine again and fight back. We’ve spent far too long letting the GOP gaslight the country.
re: #502 William Lewis
Duckworth, Baldwin (Sen Wisconsin), Feingold (probably too old).
I just can’t see Feingold. Two losses just isn’t appealing. Don’t get me wrong. I like him but the best from your state would be the aforementioned Baldwin.
re: #473 HappyWarrior
. I do think me and Wang overestimated how much the Dems would turnout.
The most common mistake was misinterpreting the time shifting of early voting as implying more voters turning out. I know that was my biggest mistake.
re: #507 William Lewis
The most common mistake was misinterpreting the time shifting of early voting as implying more voters turning out. I know that was my biggest mistake.
The msitake we did was to treat this as a normal election. Wang did.
Nate early on to his credit talked about this was not a normal election without normal patterns. I apologize to Nate for being skeptical, it’s just that the diea of Trump as nominee and now President is unreal to me.
re: #504 Unshaken Defiance
Well taking an afternoon today for some fun. Gonna see Arrival. What a cast! Unless you just hate scifi this has gotta look good.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/arrival_2016/
Amy Adams
as Dr. Louise Banks
Jeremy Renner
as Ian Donnelly
Forest Whitaker
as Colonel Weber
Nice cast.
What a fuckwit.
After Trump Victory, Many Bernie Sanders Supporters Say ‘I Told You So’ https://t.co/aoT9YSB9pk
— NPR Politics (@nprpolitics) November 12, 2016
Plain and simple, Bernie couldn’t have won. He’s the wrong kind of white. https://t.co/aYyVhF7aiN
— Andy Richter (@AndyRichter) November 12, 2016
At what point exactly did Andy Richter become an incredibly boring Clinton Twitter flack? https://t.co/HKBPAg5Y6r
— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) November 12, 2016
Agree though, the big focus ought to be the midterms and those of us in Virginia and New Jersey has governor election’s just around the corner. We’re in an interesting situation here in Va. I’m going ot be watching the GOP primary intently there to see who is nomianted.
re: #504 Unshaken Defiance
Let us know how you like it.
re: #507 William Lewis
The most common mistake was misinterpreting the time shifting of early voting as implying more voters turning out. I know that was my biggest mistake.
My mistake was taking a national impression from a California perspective. That and no small amount of wishful thinking. I’m getting to a more personal conclusion about the walk ahead.
I may have to endure some doom and resulting gloom. I don’t have to assume it inevitable. Or live in fervent or fearful anticipation of it. I did not buy gold or seeds because Obama and I’m not selling because Trump. Got no plans to move. Just gonna work for the best change as I hopefully can and live my life the best I can. It’s harder to make positive change from a negative perspective. Harder on your mind or soul. Holding my head up regardless.
re: #506 HappyWarrior
I just can’t see Feingold. Two losses just isn’t appealing. Don’t get me wrong. I like him but the best from your state would be the aforementioned Baldwin.
Agreed but he can parlay the fact that he was the ONLY senator to vote against the (so called) Patriot act to give the Bernie Bros a woodie while still being acceptable to other Dems.
re: #246 Dr Lizardo
I’m now thinking of a little meme I saw recently.
Don’t think of it as taxes. Think of it as guillotine insurance.
The GOP thinks it can control Trump and the people that elected him. They’ll be in for a horrible surprise.
re: #468 Targetpractice
My short list reads Booker, Castro, and Duckworth.
I want someone younger, engaged, and who is able to reach minority voters.
I DON’T want anyone who spends the next four years normalizing Trump or trying to extend olive branches to the GOP. Fuck that. Trump’s an existential threat to this country. I want someone in 2020 who spends the next four years fighting the Republicans tooth and nail.
re: #511 Alyosha
What a fuckwit.
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I am so sick of the smugness by Bernie supporters. First off, your candidate should have done better if he wanted to be the nominee. Secondly, the reason why he polled better against Trump is because the RNC hadn’t started to attack him yet and would have had a field day against a self described socialist. Thirdly, Bernie still doesn’t get issues important to minority communities no matter how hard he tries to act like he does.
re: #512 HappyWarrior
Agree though, the big focus ought to be the midterms and those of us in Virginia and New Jersey has governor election’s just around the corner. We’re in an interesting situation here in Va. I’m going ot be watching the GOP primary intently there to see who is nomianted.
I am not hopeful for the governor’s race. Northam isn’t the most exciting person, he’s a social conservative that isn’t going to help in Northern Virginia where no one knows his name.
re: #518 HappyWarrior
I am so sick of the smugness by Bernie supporters. First off, your candidate should have done better if he wanted to be the nominee. Secondly, the reason why he polled better against Trump is because the RNC hadn’t started to attack him yet and would have had a field day against a self described socialist. Thirdly, Bernie still doesn’t get issues important to minority communities no matter how hard he tries to act like he does.
Bernie’s entire appeal was “I’m not Clinton.” As we just got done seeing Tuesday, “I’m not Trump” is not a guaranteed winner.
re: #513 prairiefire
Will do. Seeing it with LWC so maybe I can talk him into a joint Page / review. I’ll snap some shots at the theater outside
re: #517 Lidane
I want someone younger, engaged, and who is able to reach minority voters.
I DON’T want anyone who spends the next four years normalizing Trump or trying to extend olive branches to the GOP. Fuck that. Trump’s an existential threat to this country. I want someone in 2020 who spends the next four years fighting the Republicans tooth and nail.
Fuckin’ ay.
The temptation of the liberal party has been to compromise. In one sense because it projects their desire to be seen as the moderates.
The GOP won through firebombing everything because they don’t care how they’re perceived.
The Democrats need firebrands.
re: #515 William Lewis
Agreed but he can parlay the fact that he was the ONLY senator to vote against the (so called) Patriot act to give the Bernie Bros a woodie while still being acceptable to other Dems.
Well since you brought that up, that again speaks to my belief that to too many progressives, nominations are about purity pissing contests. Don’t get me wrong, Feingold deserves a lot of respect for his vote against the PA. But at the same time, this election should be about the future and I Think Duckworth, Booker, and BAldwin can speak to that better.
re: #491 Unshaken Defiance
Yes. Hold them accountable. They own it all now.
But they are the party of ‘personal responsibility’ which means the responsibility always falls on some other person.
Usually Obama.
re: #517 Lidane
I want someone younger, engaged, and who is able to reach minority voters.
I DON’T want anyone who spends the next four years normalizing Trump or trying to extend olive branches to the GOP. Fuck that. Trump’s an existential threat to this country. I want someone in 2020 who spends the next four years fighting the Republicans tooth and nail.
That person may not have emerged from the crowd yet at all. A fresh new firebrand might be just he thing.
re: #519 Timothy Watson
I am not hopeful for the governor’s race. Northam isn’t the most exciting person, he’s a social conservative that isn’t going to help in Northern Virginia where no one knows his name.
Yeah it’s feeling like Deeds all over again unfortunately at this point. Is he really a social conservative though? He’s staunchly pro choice I believe. But you’re right unfortunately. He’s not the most charismatic and he’s not going to get us out in NOVA. I’ll happily vote for him of course any Republican they will nominate but I don’t know if it’s going to be enough.
re: #524 Romantic Heretic
Usually Obama.
They won’t have that reliable punching bag. Gone home. Won’t have mythical monster HRC for contrast anymore.
re: #525 Unshaken Defiance
That person may not have emerged from the crowd yet at all. A fresh new firebrand might be just he thing.
It helped Obama. We need to find the next Obama or what Bill Clinton was in 1992 or to go back furtehr what Jimmy Carter was in 1976 and JFK in 1960.
Charlie Pierce is totally right. We need to push the news media (how?) to cover this as the news of the year.
It’s nearly dawn here on this, the final day of my holiday.
Must be abed.
It’s good to see you’re fired up.
It’s good to see people are grieving.
Do what you gotta do.
Love you all.
re: #520 Targetpractice
Bernie’s entire appeal was “I’m not Clinton.” As we just got done seeing Tuesday, “I’m not Trump” is not a guaranteed winner.
I think his college education resonated with a lot of college kids honestly but Bernie was greatly being overrated as a general election candidate and honetsly I hate the Bros who wanted to use hypothetical polling as a reason to nominate him even though they hate when “electability” is used against them. I prefer Clinton over Bernie for a simple reason, I thought she’d be a better President and be able to actually accomplish more progressive issues than he would since she’s much more savvy than he is politically. Bernie is a guy who in his own way is isolated just like he claims the party elites are.
re: #463 Dr Lizardo
“Mr. Trump, according to the results of your physical, I’m afraid we have some rather bad news.”
…You’re good to go for eight years…
re: #528 HappyWarrior
It helped Obama. We need to find the next Obama or what Bill Clinton was in 1992 or to go back furtehr what Jimmy Carter was in 1976 and JFK in 1960.
Obama was pretty much groomed for the job by Ted Kennedy. Clinton and Carter were successful and popular Democratic governors in deep-red Southern states. And JFK was a war hero whose daddy had spent years engineering a political dynasty.
In other words, we can have one or the other: Young or experienced. Can’t really have both without some serious compromises being made.
re: #526 HappyWarrior
Yeah it’s feeling like Deeds all over again unfortunately at this point. Is he really a social conservative though? He’s staunchly pro choice I believe. But you’re right unfortunately. He’s not the most charismatic and he’s not going to get us out in NOVA. I’ll happily vote for him of course any Republican they will nominate but I don’t know if it’s going to be enough.
I was under the impression he was more conservative on social issues, maybe he’s changed over the years.
The GOP almost talked him into switching parties a couple years ago when he was still in the state Senate.
re: #297 Belafon
Only in America does the political party that just won the most votes wonder what they have to do to win elections.
Another Only in America:
a FB friend posted a photo of the First Lady-elect and had it taken down because it was a nude shot
Bernie wants to make the party a party of working people again. And you know what Bernie? I’m on board with you on that. There’s just one problem. A lot of working class whites, who you see as these people who just not voting for us because we’re not what you want us to be on economics aren’t voting for us because of their own prejudices often. Bernie should explain why the Reagan Dems excited even though Mondale was very much a populist on economics. And again he ignores that many working class voters do vote for us. And frankly I really don’t want ot hear too many lectures from a guy who even though he’s old enough to be my grandpa has less of a history in the Democratic Party than I do.
re: #523 HappyWarrior
I’m only interested in purity when it gets the purity freaks on board too. The more we have fighting for us the better.
re: #529 retired cynic
Charlie Pierce is totally right. We need to push the news media (how?) to cover this as the news of the year.
I’d like to push Charlie Pierce into the news media and out of that magazine featuring naked women as their main draw.
re: #534 Timothy Watson
I was under the impression he was more conservative on social issues, maybe he’s changed over the years.
The GOP almost talked him into switching parties a couple years ago when he was still in the state Senate.
I don’t know about guns but I do know he’s 100% pro-choice and for LGBT rights. I hear that the talk of him switching parties was greatly overstated.
re: #471 HappyWarrior
I like those three a lot too.
Pennsylvania’s Governor Tom Wolf might take a shot at it too.
re: #531 HappyWarrior
I think his college education resonated with a lot of college kids honestly but Bernie was greatly being overrated as a general election candidate and honetsly I hate the Bros who wanted to use hypothetical polling as a reason to nominate him even though they hate when “electability” is used against them. I prefer Clinton over Bernie for a simple reason, I thought she’d be a better President and be able to actually accomplish more progressive issues than he would since she’s much more savvy than he is politically. Bernie is a guy who in his own way is isolated just like he claims the party elites are.
Here’s the thing: From June to January, Bernie was focused on the issues and he was running a legitimately engaging campaign that was bringing attention to the problems in this country.
Then January and Iowa came and suddenly he dumped all that to start attacking Clinton for being less than pure and shredded a lot of the good will he’d built up. He could have turned his close loss there and his win in New Hampshire into momentum had he insisted on keeping to the issues, but he shifted gears to “I’m not Clinton” and dashed that. We knew what he wasn’t, we wanted to see him run on what he was. All he did by going after her “failures” was highlight his own.
re: #504 Unshaken Defiance
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re: #537 William Lewis
I’m only interested in purity when it gets the purity freaks on board too. The more we have fighting for us the better.
True. I just don’t want our nomination battle in 2020 to be able bitterness over past votes and how people did not vote. By 2020, the Patriot Act vote will have been 19 years old. As I said, it’s something that Feingold deserves our respect for and hopefully a Kennedy Profiles in Courage award down the road but it won’t be why I decide to vote in 2020. I want candidates who talk about how they’re going to make the 20’s a great decade for Americans and the world.
re: #540 Joe Bacon
Pennsylvania’s Governor Tom Wolf might take a shot at it too.
I need to learn more about him.
re: #535 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Another Only in America:
a FB friend posted a photo of the First Lady-elect and had it taken down because it was a nude shot
Didn’t France also have a First Lady who’d posed nude?
re: #536 HappyWarrior
Bernie wants to make the party a party of working people again. And you know what Bernie? I’m on board with you on that. There’s just one problem. A lot of working class whites, who you see as these people who just not voting for us because we’re not what you want us to be on economics aren’t voting for us because of their own prejudices often. Bernie should explain why the Reagan Dems excited even though Mondale was very much a populist on economics. And again he ignores that many working class voters do vote for us. And frankly I really don’t want ot hear too many lectures from a guy who even though he’s old enough to be my grandpa has less of a history in the Democratic Party than I do.
I have to admit I voted against Mondale - not for Reagan but against Mondale. For me it was a single issue protest vote. Mondale lead the gutting of NASA in the 70’s and I still can not forgive him that. He crippled our future with that.
re: #541 Targetpractice
Here’s the thing: From June to January, Bernie was focused on the issues and he was running a legitimately engaging campaign that was bringing attention to the problems in this country.
Then January and Iowa came and suddenly he dumped all that to start attacking Clinton for being less than pure and shredded a lot of the good will he’d built up. He could have turned his close loss there and his win in New Hampshire into momentum had he insisted on keeping to the issues, but he shifted gears to “I’m not Clinton” and dashed that. We knew what he wasn’t, we wanted to see him run on what he was. All he did by going after her “failures” was highlight his own.
Yep and it’s not a coincidence that I started to sour on Bernie right around that time when he shifted into that I’m not Clinton mode. In the fall and summer, I greatly appreciated that he talked about some issues that I think Clinton wasn’t paying as much attention to. In the end, I’m still glad Bernie ran but I don’t have an high as opinion on him or his movement like I thought I might. In a way, Bernie did so well that he forgot what was truly important IMO.
re: #512 HappyWarrior
Agree though, the big focus ought to be the midterms and those of us in Virginia and New Jersey has governor election’s just around the corner. We’re in an interesting situation here in Va. I’m going ot be watching the GOP primary intently there to see who is nomianted.
Is Virginia still going to have a convention to nominate their candidates or will they have a primary?
re: #546 William Lewis
I have to admit I voted against Mondale - not for Reagan but against Mondale. For me it was a single issue protest vote. Mondale lead the gutting of NASA in the 70’s and I still can not forgive him that. He crippled our future with that.
Yeah you’ve talked about that before. I was just pointing out that the white working class voters who Bernie bemoans are no long part of our coalition voted for Reagan over Mondale who did talk about their issues a lot. As I said, I think being in Vermont all these years has made Bernie tone deaf to the reality of the landscape. Not all these working class voters are bigots mind you but Bernie again wants to ignore that a lot of their hostility to us is because of our multiculturalism and as the Uncle of a Hispanic child, I have no desire to make nice with people who see my Hispanic extended family as “taking away their jobs.”
Since we really shouldn’t wait until the DNC starts looking down ticket, what can we do? I will state straight up that I’m not a candidate-for-office type in my area. It’s a blood red area, darker than Anymouse’s, and I’m an atheist for one thing. And really, I’m just not in a position to campaign at this point in my life.
re: #548 Joe Bacon
Is Virginia still going to have a convention to nominate their candidates or will they have a primary?
Good question, the GOP decided to go with a primary. There will be three candidates as far as I know: Ed Gillespie (former RNC chair and 2014 Senate candidate who ran surprisingly well against Mark Warner), Rob Wittman (I believe he’s Timothy or TP’s Congressman and more your usual boring R establishment type like Bob McDonnell was eight years ago), and then tehre’s Corey Stewart (Chairman of Prince William County’s board of supervisors and very wingnuty especially on immigration and someone who loves to brag that he was Trump before Trump was Trump. I am thinking Corey will be the nominee. I see Ed Gillespie and Rob Wittman splitting the “normal” GOP vote.
Lawhawk and any other New Jerseyians though, who do you guys see as the Dem that will be running to replace Christie and who will the R’s nominate? I don’t know NJ politics at all.
re: #549 HappyWarrior
Yeah you’ve talked about that before. I was just pointing out that the white working class voters who Bernie bemoans are no long part of our coalition voted for Reagan over Mondale who did talk about their issues a lot. As I said, I think being in Vermont all these years has made Bernie tone deaf to the reality of the landscape. Not all these working class voters are bigots mind you but Bernie again wants to ignore that a lot of their hostility to us is because of our multiculturalism and as the Uncle of a Hispanic child, I have no desire to make nice with people who see my Hispanic extended family as “taking away their jobs.”
Understood. My son is from Vietnam…
re: #327 Belafon
We need millennial liberal to start running for local offices.
I’ve been thinking about that. The DNC really should put out a “how to run for office” guide.
I’m not sure if the DNC has one, but our state and county party orgs do, as well as having established a number of fellowship programs for young people, to encourage political participation.
re: #542 William Lewis
Twitter is not for everyone. We each do what we can. Or should maybe…
Peacefully resist, give life to our best principles of fairness and equality pic.twitter.com/BiabHLly6R
— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) November 12, 2016
re: #554 BeachDem
I’m not sure if the DNC has one, but our state and county party orgs do, as well as having established a number of fellowship programs for young people, to encourage political participation.
Which state?
We can have a party that supports the aspirations of the working class and honestly I think we do but to me the most important thing is that we’re a welcoming party and ideology to people regardless of their background. That me a white guy with Asperger’s shares a party and ideology with my Peruvian born sister in laws means more to me than giving false hopes to people who have lost their jobs over inevitable changes in economics. That said, I’m favor of investing in things like green jobs so many these areas will get revitalized but reversing trade deals and giving them false hope isn’t the way to do it.
re: #553 William Lewis
Understood. My son is from Vietnam…
You’ve said that the Vietnamese people are quite friendly to Americans there when you’ve visited. That just gives me a lot of hope given how the war was. Interestingly enough, a good family friend of my sister in law’s is Vietnamese.
I answer yes to the invitation of Stephen Bannon, CEO of @realDonaldTrump presidential campaign, to work together. https://t.co/tPSoY5A2vS
— Marion Le Pen (@Marion_M_Le_Pen) November 12, 2016
it’s going to be bad https://t.co/N2THUTciAE
— Simon Maloy (@SimonMaloy) November 12, 2016
Fascists International
re: #555 Unshaken Defiance
Twitter is not for everyone. We each do what we can. Or should maybe…
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Indeed.
If Le Pen wins in France next year, these would be the five leaders in control of the UN Security Council… pic.twitter.com/vUfvNeoc1N
— Oliver Stuenkel (@oliverstuenkel) November 11, 2016
re: #488 thedopefishlives
Given that Hillary wins the pop. vote by a considerable margin, I’d dare say, Silver is pretty close.
The margin of error is a bitch tho.
re: #550 Belafon
Since we really shouldn’t wait until the DNC starts looking down ticket, what can we do? I will state straight up that I’m not a candidate-for-office type in my area. It’s a blood red area, darker than Anymouse’s, and I’m an atheist for one thing. And really, I’m just not in a position to campaign at this point in my life.
What do we do?
Organize: there are others out there who believe in a better tomorrow and in the constitution. Find them. Work with them. We really are “Stronger Together.”
Resist. Work to put sand in the gears of the attempts to ethnically cleans your neighbors - hide them if necessary. Lie to all officials. Remember all the WWII movies and do everything nonviolent to oppose the fascists that you can.
Run for local offices - school boards are critical because to have any hope the kid need a real education not a Texas Text Book one.
Give money to candidates supporting your values.
These are just the minimum off the top of my head but if we all do these things, they will not be as successful in destroying our Nation as they think they will be.
re: #525 Unshaken Defiance
That person may not have emerged from the crowd yet at all. A fresh new firebrand might be just he thing.
That’s what I want. New blood. The Dems need it desperately.
I want a new, vibrant Democratic party built from the ground up with a cross-section of minority candidates across all 50 states. We’ve let the GOP define Democrats for far too long, and we’ve let them gaslight this country for decades to our peril.
I don’t want a DNC chair that’s just an establishment type. I want a younger, fully woke chair who will make it their 24/7 job to recruit talent and build up the party structure from the ground up to be younger, more adaptable, more socially savvy type. No one from Congress who can only give partial attention to the party. Full-time, 24/7 organizing in all 50 states.
Basically, I want someone like Angela Rye. Young, smart as a whip, a fierce debater on the air, and who can surround herself with similar types to get out there and reform the Democratic party away from being Republican Lite.
re: #551 HappyWarrior
Good question, the GOP decided to go with a primary. There will be three candidates as far as I know: Ed Gillespie (former RNC chair and 2014 Senate candidate who ran surprisingly well against Mark Warner), Rob Wittman (I believe he’s Timothy or TP’s Congressman and more your usual boring R establishment type like Bob McDonnell was eight years ago), and then tehre’s Corey Stewart (Chairman of Prince William County’s board of supervisors and very wingnuty especially on immigration and someone who loves to brag that he was Trump before Trump was Trump. I am thinking Corey will be the nominee. I see Ed Gillespie and Rob Wittman splitting the “normal” GOP vote.
Wittman went full-metal wingnut and joined Trump’s “leadership committee” even after Trump was accused of sexual assault.
Can’t stand that two-face shit weasel.
And I think Corey’s on the outs because of being shit-canned by Trump after that unauthorized RNC protest.
See, that’s why I resented being called an elite. To me, the diversity of the area where I’ve lived, gone to school, and now work is important to me. If people in the red areas don’t like that we value that then it’s hard for me to really feel too bad about how they have resentments. And as I said last night, those elites are the first to support disaster releif funds for red areas effected by disaster because disasters that effect any part of our country effect us all. Now do their elected officials and even people extend the same when we’re hit? I wish I could say that but nope. I remember the attitudes I saw not just from the comment sections but from elected officials when New Jersey and New York were hit by Sandy.
re: #562 JasonA
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re: #566 Timothy Watson
Wittman went full-metal wingnut and joined Trump’s “leadership committee” even after Trump was accused of sexual assault.
Can’t stand that two-face shit weasel.
And I think Corey’s on the outs because of being shit-canned by Trump after that unauthorized RNC protest.
Oh okay, I had not heard about that. Fuck Wittman. So Wittman’s yours. TP, I forget but you’re in the Tide area. I always get us all mixed up since you, me, TP, and Varek are all around the same age too. Varek and I are both in Comstock’s district. Can’t stand her. Haven’t seen any statements from her since Trump got elected though. She ran a pathetically negative campaign though but I imagine will try to kiss Trump’s ass because she’s got higher aspirations too. And God if she leaves, as much as I dislike her, that could open up this Congressional seat for Dick Black which he could well win if he ran in a midterm due to the low turn out.
Democrats now control only 13 state legislatures (26%). If they lose 1 more they fall below the % needed to stop constitutional amendments. pic.twitter.com/6tVxNSoO2q
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Democratic voters, please pay attention to what’s happening to your state legislatures and governorships https://t.co/abkwJC5pMd
— felicia the critic (@felicianista) November 12, 2016
re: #568 William Lewis
As someone mentioned the other day, who would have imagined that it would be Merkel as the leader of the free world?
Yep, Frau Austerity. So surreal.
re: #392 ObserverArt
I wonder if Gowdy has any feeling that after this election Hillary will have a lot of sympathetic backers, maybe even some that never voted for her.
This could blow up in his damn face and hurt the Republicans more than they may realize. I hope that is the case.
And he sure is an ugly man…not visually…soul.
Well, Gowdy won reelection with 67% of the vote, so I doubt he’s worried personally. Damn, I live among morons.
re: #573 BeachDem
Well, Gowdy won reelection with 67% of the vote, so I doubt he’s worried personally. Damn, I live among morons.
Drain the swamp! Well not you, Trey, you’re good!
re: #408 freetoken
Yes, she did.
But her margin of winning nationally is much less than her margin of winning here in California.
Which means without California Hillary would have lost the popular vote, by at least a million, maybe two.
So then, without Texas, she would make up that million. Then add in NY and she’s back up 1.5 million. And on it goes…
re: #569 HappyWarrior
Oh okay, I had not heard about that. Fuck Wittman. So Wittman’s yours. TP, I forget but you’re in the Tide area. I always get us all mixed up since you, me, TP, and Varek are all around the same age too. Varek and I are both in Comstock’s district. Can’t stand her. Haven’t seen any statements from her since Trump got elected though. She ran a pathetically negative campaign though but I imagine will try to kiss Trump’s ass because she’s got higher aspirations too. And God if she leaves, as much as I dislike her, that could open up this Congressional seat for Dick Black which he could well win if he ran in a midterm due to the low turn out.
Yeah, Wittman’s mine too. Matt Rowe didn’t stand a chance. While working at the polling place, our FDC lead was chanting, “Matt Rowe, he won’t shut down the government! ” More than one voter muttered under their breath, “sometimes it needs to be shut down” - odds are they were all Gov employees or contractors.
re: #434 HappyWarrior
Hopefully Trump can put the bullshit lie that “We just need a businessman” aside for fucking ever.
If we had to have a businessman to dispel that bullshit, why couldn’t it have been somebody like Buffett or Cuban, or even Bloomberg? Why did we have to go with the lowest of low (and a horrible businessman to boot.)
re: #454 Dr Lizardo
He was only in for the adulation of the crowds - oh, how it fed his ego! They loved him!
Now……he’s the dog that caught the car and the look on his face confirms it.
There is a certain “burnt nose from the tailpipe” thing going on.
re: #436 Joe Bacon
On my way home from the gym. Still trying to absorb hearing people openly talking about a Calexit. Actually talking about secession…
So, if Cal exits, will the “Jefferson” counties stay with Cal or still try to establish their separate state of “we have no money nor infrastructure, but hey?”
It’s a puzzlement.
re: #477 Belafon
We also still have to deal with the fact that a lot of Democrats just decided not to turn out.
I will wait for the complete count before I draw that conclusion.
The other thing to realize is that when the Trump campaign said they were going to do everything they could to depress enthusiasm and turnout among Dems, they meant it, and they used the FBI, the FSB, and Wikileaks to do it. And the media were complicit in it.
We should not be unaware of how effective the politics of personal destruction are.
But remember - in the end, there will be 1.5 - 2 Million more of us than of them.
re: #387 Lidane
Low energy! No stamina! Sad!
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This country has elected a part-time President. Unreal.
Trump thinks being president is a 9 to 5, five day a week job. Fucking incredible.
re: #461 freetoken
Does Trump know that the doctors at Bethesda will examine him and not his weirdo doctor?
Why should he do that? Hitler kept his own quack doctor against the advice of every one of his advisors. Why would Trump do any different.
re: #220 freetoken
This says nothing about your issues (with which I mostly agree), but I also walk to shop and I carry a cloth hobo bag, foldable into a very small package. A small folding luggage cart also works.
(I voted for the single-use bag ban because those bags are so flimsy. I save my plastic bags, and they break after a couple of used, whereas the slightly thicker versions last practically forever.)
re: #556 Belafon
Which state?
south by dog carolina—and if we can do it here, anyone can do it anywhere.
re: #299 Targetpractice
No offense to our lizards both actively serving or retired, but when did this country last fight a war over or to protect our freedoms? In the years since 1945, when have we actively fought a war or a conflict against a foe that actually posed a credible threat to the US?
Afghanistan.
re: #408 freetoken
Yes, she did.
But her margin of winning nationally is much less than her margin of winning here in California.
Which means without California Hillary would have lost the popular vote, by at least a million, maybe two.
re: #575 BeachDem
So then, without Texas, she would make up that million. Then add in NY and she’s back up 1.5 million. And on it goes…
California is part of the United States. Geez, why do we insist on othering ourselves? We really need to quiet the voices the the back of our minds that keep saying that we don’t really count.
re: #586 Donkey With No Name
California is part of the United States. Geez, why do we insist on othering ourselves? We really need to quiet the voices the the back of our minds that keep saying that we don’t really count.
In case it came out wrong, I was trying to point out exactly what you’re saying. Long day/short night—synapses probably not firing efficiently.
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