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Is Michael Cohen’s legal staffing shake-up the calm before the storm? Because hardly anyone is staying calm about it.

And… he’s ranting like a loon again.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:08:33am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:10:52am
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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:12:17am

Didn’t Trump come up with “collusion” as the crime? Pretty sure Mueller has been going with “conspiracy to defraud the United States.” For those non-lawyers keeping score at home, defrauding the government is most definitely a crime, and conspiring to commit any crime (whether or not you actually accomplish the crime) is also… wait for it… a crime.

Oh, also, five guilty pleas!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:12:54am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

So, the Democrats make up a phony crime, Collusion with the Russians, pay a fortune to make the crime sound real, illegally leak (Comey) classified information so that a Special Councel will be appointed, and then Collude to make this pile of garbage take on life in Fake News!

— Donald J. Trump

Snowflake sounds triggered. Sad!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:13:49am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

So, the Democrats make up a phony crime, Collusion with the Russians

You mean like when you and your kid met with the Russians to get “dirt” on HRC?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:14:33am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

So, the Democrats make up a phony crime, Collusion with the Russians, pay a fortune to make the crime sound real, illegally leak (Comey) classified information so that a Special Councel will be appointed, and then Collude to make this pile of garbage take on life in Fake News!

— Donald J. Trump

What? Who’d we “pay” and how much?

Ranting lunatic.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:15:04am

Our dumb fuck of a President can’t even figure out autocorrect.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:15:06am
“always remembering that there was No Collusion and No Obstruction of the fabricated No Crime.”

He really does talk like an amateur hypnotist.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:16:00am

“You will never remember my lies this time.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:16:17am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

“Special Councel.” The president of the US is a ranting, delusional, illiterate jackass.

Council is a word, even if used improperly

Counsel is a word

Councel is NOT EVEN A FUCKING WORD

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:16:52am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Drumpf still can’t even bother to feign outrage that the Russians spread disinformation during the campaign to benefit him.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:17:00am

Happiness is having Trump and his three fuckhead kids charged for breaking laws that he can’t pardon his way out of.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:17:48am

re: #12 darthstar

The sleazy New York Democrats, and their now disgraced (and run out of town) A.G. Eric Schneiderman, are doing everything they can to sue me on a foundation that took in $18,800,000 and gave out to charity more money than it took in, $19,200,000. I won’t settle this case!…

This issue is more who it gave that money to and for what purposes…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:18:19am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:18:49am

re: #11 Sir John Barron

Drumpf still can’t even bother to feign outrage that the Russians spread disinformation during the campaign to benefit him.

Speaking of which, what happened to the Russians who were charged a while back, who were part of that organization I don’t remember the name of? See, that’s what happens, this stuff happens and then disappears down the memory hole while Drumpt keeps up a steady stream of ranting about witch hunts and such.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:18:55am
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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:18:59am

re: #6 Sir John Barron

What? Who’d we “pay” and how much?

Ranting lunatic.

Oh, that’s the Dossier he’s talking about, I think. He honestly doesn’t seem to understand it was an R who commissioned it, just because Hil paid the last money to complete it.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:19:13am

re: #12 darthstar

sleazy

Projecting again.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:19:45am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:20:05am
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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:20:31am

re: #15 Sir John Barron

Speaking of which, what happened to the Russians who were charged a while back, who were part of that organization I don’t remember the name of? See, that’s what happens, this stuff happens and then disappears down the memory hole while Drumpt keeps up a steady stream of ranting about witch hunts and such.

AlfaBank?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:21:00am

re: #13 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This issue is more who it gave that money to and for what purposes…

Seriously, he thinks the only thing we should look at is the scorecard, not the inner workings of the thing, which he should know is not how this works, since his whole complaint about the Clinton Foundation was exactly just these hidden schemes and processes.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:21:15am
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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:21:21am

this is important:

this tweet of trump’s (that i cant reproduce)

The sleazy New York Democrats, and their now disgraced (and run out of town) A.G. Eric Schneiderman, are doing everything they can to sue me on a foundation that took in $18,800,000 and gave out to charity more money than it took in, $19,200,000. I won’t settle this case!…

it is not possible

a 501c3 cannot give out more money than it “takes in”
where did that magic extra $400,000 come from?
borrowed from a bank? nah - it has to be paid back (ok well trump…)
if he and his family did in fact put it in then it’s part of the total “taking in”
in fact related party contributions have to be reported separately

and we know that no trump would contribute to a non profit and not take a personal tax deduction for it, so….

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:21:46am

re: #17 Chrysicat

Oh, that’s the Dossier he’s talking about, I think. He honestly doesn’t seem to understand it was an R who commissioned it, just because Hil paid the last money to complete it.

Yeah I don’t think it cost a “fortune” exactly.

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:22:46am

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve been dealing with these issues for 30 years!’ Hey, for 30 years you couldn’t get in the room with the guy…

We didn’t want to be in the room with him during those 30 years. We knew it was exactly what the North Koreans wanted, and thus we were using it as a bargaining chip to get them to do things like give up their nuclear weapons program. You gave them what they wanted for absofuckinglutely notacotdamnthing.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:23:48am

re: #23 darthstar

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And I don’t think you’re handling the fact Trump won very well since everything is always someone else’s fault you pathetic has been son of a bitch.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:24:26am

I am so glad that no living high ranking Nazis of significance are around for Trump to find and shake hands with.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:25:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:25:12am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:25:25am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

And I don’t think you’re handling the fact Trump won very well since everything is always someone else’s fault you pathetic has been son of a bitch.

Yeah, very lame tweet, try to imagine how happy Miller or Faux would be if Hillary had lost the popular vote but won the EC.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:26:09am

re: #23 darthstar

Not kidding when I say I don’t think Liberals are handling Hillary’s loss all that well. #DennisMilerOption

— Dennis Miller

Lame tweet, sad.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:26:14am

re: #12 darthstar

Happiness is having Trump and his three fuckhead kids charged for breaking laws that he can’t pardon his way out of.

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..the best anniversary gift says Mrs dm

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:27:17am
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jaunte  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:28:00am

2.5 hours of hunting for the loophole.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:28:53am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:29:13am

re: #29 jaunte

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A good reason to roll your eyes when the NYT tells you that DeNiro’s words are why Turmp will win. We’re too meek. We get told that we need to be more vocal. We’re vocal and angry, we get told that we shouldn’t risk angerign the Trump supporters.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:29:13am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:29:45am

re: #31 Sir John Barron

Yeah, very lame tweet, try to imagine how happy Miller or Faux would be if Hillary had lost the popular vote but won the EC.

They would be demanding the repeal of the existing law immediately.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:30:12am

re: #38 Single-handed sailor

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Kim’s father and grandfather wish they had a US President this easy to play.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:30:27am
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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:30:41am

re: #34 jaunte

re: #35 jaunte

2.5 hours of hunting for the loophole.

Rosenstein: Here, where Comey brought up Clinton’s emails-
Trump: So, Clinton’s in trouble, right?
R: No, that’s not what this means.
T: How about Comey?
R: You already fired him.
T: Then Clinton’s in trouble, right?
R: *sigh* Let’s start over.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:32:34am

re: #35 jaunte

2.5 hours of hunting for the loophole.

White smoke coming out of the white house chimney?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:33:30am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

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You know what, I could understand this if he hadn’t gotten so self righteous in chewing HRC out. I think Trump was wrong to fire Comey but Comey’s a prick for his own reasons irregardless of Trump’s existence.

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:33:39am

re: #28 HappyWarrior

I am so glad that no living high ranking Nazis of significance are around for Trump to find and shake hands with.

I don’t know, Martin Bormann may still be hiding in Argentina.

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:33:50am

re: #43 dangerman

It’s the only color they’ve got.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:33:56am

re: #42 Belafon

Rosenstein: Here, where Comey brought up Clinton’s emails-
Trump: So, Clinton’s in trouble, right?
R: No, that’s not what this means.
T: How about Comey?
R: You already fired him.
T: Then Clinton’s in trouble, right?
R: *sigh* Let’s start over.

I liked it better when it was Abbott and Costello asking who was on first.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:34:18am

re: #28 HappyWarrior

I am so glad that no living high ranking Nazis of significance are around for Trump to find and shake hands with.

Shaking hands with Nigel is pretty close:

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:34:26am
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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:34:44am

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Kim’s father and grandfather wish they had a US President this easy to play.

Putin’s going “where’s my summit godammit!”
Set it up while hes hot……

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:35:23am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:36:22am

re: #45 KGxvi

I don’t know, Martin Bormann may still be hiding in Argentina.

He does celebrate his sweet 118 in a few days curiously enough!

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:36:27am

I wonder if Rod Rosenstein has just been fired?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:36:31am

re: #42 Belafon

Rosenstein: Here, where Comey brought up Clinton’s emails-
Trump: So, Clinton’s in trouble, right?
R: No, that’s not what this means.
T: How about Comey?
R: You already fired him.
T: Then Clinton’s in trouble, right?
R: *sigh* Let’s start over.

T: Will you stop Mueller?
R: No.
T: How come?
R: Legitimate questions were raised, about the Comey firing, about Russian interference..
T: Hoax, witch hunt
R: Back to this report
T: Have you seen my poll numbers, rising, believe me.
R: Do you understand….
T: So this report indicts Hillary?
R: sign

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:36:43am

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

Shaking hands with Nigel is pretty close:

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Or was Nigel shaking hands with a Nazi.

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b.d. (I Really Care..Do U?)  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:38:01am

re: #53 Charles Johnson

I wonder if Rod Rosenstein has just been fired?

If he were fired he wouldn’t have hung around that asshole for 2-1/2 hours.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:38:17am

re: #51 Kragar

Driscoll: “The IG can conclude that there’s no documentary evidence that political bias affected decision-making, but it’s kind of hard not to draw a conclusion if you look at the way the Clinton investigation was handled and then compare it to the Russia investigation.” pic.twitter.com
Fox News

You mean like how a week before the election Comey came out and said FBI was reinvestigating the email thing but that also during the summer the FBI said there was no evidence of anything improper with the Russians?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:38:42am

re: #51 Kragar

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God find some new fucking material already. We know you’re miserable that you actually have to defend Trump but whining about how Clinton was handled isn’t going to make Clinton magically President and the truth about how toxic your ideology is more secret.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:39:06am

re: #57 Sir John Barron

You mean like how a week before the election Comey came out and said FBI was reinvestigating the email thing but that also during the summer the FBI said there was no evidence of anything improper with the Russians?

I really despise FNC. They’re such a blatant propaganda outlet.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:39:18am

re: #54 Sir John Barron

T: Will you stop Mueller?
R: No.
T: How come?
R: Legitimate questions were raised, about the Comey firing, about Russian interference..
T: Hoax, witch hunt
R: Back to this report
T: have you seen my poll numbers, rising, believe me.
R: Do you understand….
T: So this report indicts Hillary?
R: sign

Wanna see the electoral maps again?

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:39:24am

re: #53 Charles Johnson

I wonder if Rod Rosenstein has just been fired?

Wasn’t firing Rosenstein one of those red lines for Congressional Republicans?

Who will play the roles of Goldwater and Rhodes this time around?

Thursday, however, marks the anniversary of a related incident that has since become legendary in Arizona political lore. On Aug. 7, 1974, U.S. Sen. Barry Goldwater, R-Ariz., U.S. House Minority Leader John Rhodes, R-Ariz., and U.S. Senate Minority Leader Hugh Scott, R-Pa., made it clear to the embattled Nixon that he faced all-but-certain impeachment, conviction and removal from office in connection with the Watergate scandal.

My guess: the remake will be worse because they won’t recast those roles.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:40:12am
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jaunte  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:40:21am

I don’t think Trump would have the courage to fire Rosenstein to his face.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:40:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:41:03am

re: #63 jaunte

I don’t think Trump would have the courage to fire Rosenstein to his face.

He pretty much hasn’t fired ANYONE to their faces yet, has he?

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:41:14am

re: #29 jaunte

Well, we can certainly add this item to the “this piece didn’t age well” files… But, SRSLY…?

“The prejudice against the Jew in Germany is based largely on his ability” Mr. Gerard said. “We have not the same prejudice here because we think we Yankees are just as smart as the Jews are”

I’m guessing he meant this to be something in the way of a complimentary remark, but it doesn’t scan that way at first glance…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:41:23am

re: #63 jaunte

I don’t think Trump would have the courage to fire Rosenstein to his face.

Very true

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:41:45am

re: #64 Charles Johnson

Yeah but that one FBI agent’s text, though…

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:41:48am

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

Does Meatloaf count?

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:42:20am

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

He pretty much hasn’t fired ANYONE to their faces yet, has he?

Reince Priebus is probably as close as we’ve had to an in person firing.

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b.d. (I Really Care..Do U?)  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:42:30am

re: #68 Sir John Barron

Yeah but that one FBI agent’s text, though…

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Wish he woulda done a better job.

//

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b.d. (I Really Care..Do U?)  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:42:56am

re: #70 KGxvi

Reince Priebus is probably as close as we’ve had to an in person firing.

Nobody is scared of Reince…

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:45:01am

re: #66 Jay C

Well, we can certainly add this item to the “this piece didn’t age well” files… But, SRSLY…?

I’m guessing he meant this to be something in the way of a complimentary remark, but it doesn’t scan that way at first glance…

To me, it reads as “the Germans have an inferiority complex and direct it at Jewish people.”

Given that they had just lost the Great War a decade or two earlier, and been straddled with onerous peace terms, I could see that being a reasonable view at the time.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:45:05am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:45:08am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:45:20am

re: #61 KGxvi

Wasn’t firing Rosenstein one of those red lines for Congressional Republicans?

Who will play the roles of Goldwater and Rhodes this time around?

My guess: the remake will be worse because they won’t recast those roles.

There isn’t. That’s the big problem. And Mike Pence isn’t Jerry Ford waiting in the wings either.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:46:18am

re: #72 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

Nobody is scared of Reince…

Has anyone seen Rince?

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:46:50am

Comey is an asshole.

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Interesting Times  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:47:07am

Remember when some people here said the NeverTrumpers were insincere because, despite their criticism of Cheeto Benito, they expressed no support for Dems? Well…

Note: Tom Nichols didn’t write the linked article, but I’m interpreting the RT as an endorsement of its points. And there are some pretty good ones, like the writer’s realization and admission of how debased the GOPer base really is.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:47:27am

re: #75 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Wrong response: Needs more ALL CAPS and whining about HOAX and WITCH HUNTS!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:47:33am

re: #70 KGxvi

Reince Priebus is probably as close as we’ve had to an in person firing.

but didn’t he get fired as he was getting into his car on the tarmac after leaving AF1? and it was Stephen Miller and Dan Scavino that delivered the message?

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:48:39am

re: #32 Sir John Barron

Lame tweet, sad.

He’s still thinking of a witty reply to Michelle Wolf.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:49:12am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

There isn’t. That’s the big problem. And Mike Pence isn’t Jerry Ford waiting in the wings either.

Actually, to replay Watergate, Pence first has to resign because of an unrelated scandal and then Trump appoints a non-crazy Republican (not sure if that’s possible because they are all anti-Trump)

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:50:15am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

but didn’t he get fired as he was getting into his car on the tarmac after leaving AF1? and it was Stephen Miller and Dan Scavino that delivered the message?

That’s why I said “closest”

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:53:11am
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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:53:18am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:53:21am

re: #79 Interesting Times

Remember when some people here said the NeverTrumpers were insincere because, despite their criticism of Cheeto Benito, they expressed no support for Dems? Well…

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Note: Tom Nichols didn’t write the linked article, but I’m interpreting the RT as an endorsement of its points. And there are some pretty good ones, like the writer’s realization and admission of how debased the GOPer base really is.

I’ll give him credit for this. Still a sexist jerk though.

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:53:29am

re: #79 Interesting Times

Remember when some people here said the NeverTrumpers were insincere because, despite their criticism of Cheeto Benito, they expressed no support for Dems? Well…

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Note: Tom Nichols didn’t write the linked article, but I’m interpreting the RT as an endorsement of its points. And there are some pretty good ones, like the writer’s realization and admission of how debased the GOPer base really is.

From that column:

As for the voter base, my worst fears have been realized. While I was always a bit mystified as to who the bedrock Republican supporter really was, I had always defended them against what I perceived at the time to be ugly and unfair allegations by the news media of racism, sexism, and anti-intellectualism.

It turns out that, like the overturning of a large rock that reveals a swarm of creepy-crawlies underneath, Trump has exposed the GOP base for what it really is. Ironically, it turns out that Hillary Clinton was mostly right about her infamous “basket of deplorables” charge. Based on my experience on Twitter and Facebook, she might actually have been a bit too kind.

I mean, it’s not Rick Wilson-esque, but it does get to the point.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:53:47am

re: #83 Hecuba’s daughter

Actually, to replay Watergate, Pence first has to resign because of an unrelated scandal and then Trump appoints a non-crazy Republican (not sure if that’s possible because they are all anti-Trump)

That’s true. And you’re right.

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rhuarc  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:54:29am

re: #79 Interesting Times

Remember when some people here said the NeverTrumpers were insincere because, despite their criticism of Cheeto Benito, they expressed no support for Dems? Well…

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Note: Tom Nichols didn’t write the linked article, but I’m interpreting the RT as an endorsement of its points. And there are some pretty good ones, like the writer’s realization and admission of how debased the GOPer base really is.

Argh! Never read the comments. How many times do I tell myself this and I STILL do it. The insanity of a very large proportion of our populace is the downfall of this country.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:54:33am

re: #79 Interesting Times

Remember when some people here said the NeverTrumpers were insincere because, despite their criticism of Cheeto Benito, they expressed no support for Dems? Well…

[Embedded content]

Note: Tom Nichols didn’t write the linked article, but I’m interpreting the RT as an endorsement of its points. And there are some pretty good ones, like the writer’s realization and admission of how debased the GOPer base really is.

Great article. Shows that some people really have jumped ship and recognize the danger Trump is to our nation. Let’s hope it’s more than a few GOP intellectuals who have seen the truth.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:55:03am

re: #88 KGxvi

From that column:

I mean, it’s not Rick Wilson-esque, but it does get to the point.

I’ll actually give Tom credit for realizing this. But his first paragraph tells me all I need to know about him, he didn’t know what the average Republican was but he still defended them because he hated the media that much.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:55:34am

This is what I’m waiting for.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:55:47am

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

He pretty much hasn’t fired ANYONE to their faces yet, has he?

Nope. He’s too chicken to do something like that.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:56:25am

re: #83 Hecuba’s daughter

Actually, to replay Watergate, Pence first has to resign because of an unrelated scandal and then Trump appoints a non-crazy Republican (not sure if that’s possible because they are all anti-Trump)

Well if you’re going that route so much still has to happen first……
Like senate hearings

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:56:51am

re: #92 HappyWarrior

I’ll actually give Tom credit for realizing this. But his first paragraph tells me all I need to know about him, he didn’t know what the average Republican was but he still defended them because he hated the media that much.

Not Tom’s column, actually a radio guy, John Ziegler.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:57:05am

re: #94 Skip Intro

Nope. He’s too chicken to do something like that.

Same as why he waited to get on a plane before talking shit about Trudeau. He’s a fucking chicken shit little bitch.

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:57:39am

re: #90 rhuarc

Argh! Never read the comments. How many times do I tell myself this and I STILL do it. The insanity of a very large proportion of our populace is the downfall of this country.

At least Rome had lead drinking pipes and leaded-pewter platters to blame for the insanity of a large portion of _its_ populace, both at the Fall of the Republic and the end of the Western Empire. The majority of the crazies here have less lead in them than their sane peers; how did we get here?

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:57:48am
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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:57:54am

Word!!!!

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:58:46am

re: #98 Chrysicat

At least Rome had lead drinking pipes and leaded-pewter platters to blame for the insanity of a large portion of _its_ populace, both at the Fall of the Republic and the end of the Western Empire. The majority of the crazies here have less lead in them than their sane peers; how did we get here?

A lot of Trump supporters grew up during the age of leaded gasoline.

Edit: And lead paint.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:59:58am

re: #96 KGxvi

Not Tom’s column, actually a radio guy, John Ziegler.

Oh my bad. Well I do wish John had realized that but props to him anyhow. This is ebtter than what it could be.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:00:12pm

re: #99 darthstar

I’m assuming there’s an innocent explanation for taking $100,000 from a foundation to pay a legal settlement…that explanation being that Trump didn’t have the money in his own bank account.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:01:05pm

re: #97 Kragar

Same as why he waited to get on a plane before talking shit about Trudeau. He’s a fucking chicken shit little bitch.

He’s a chicken shit’s idea of a tough guy. I’ve seen Trump supporters say he reminds them of their Dad’s. I’m sure their Dads would hate being compared to a chicken shit who cries to NBC when SNL makes fun of him.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:01:44pm

I like it when total strangers think I’m right about something.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:02:42pm

I went to lunch with a friend. Has is turned in a cauldron of bubbling whataboutism poop yet?

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:03:25pm

re: #106 Dave In Austin

I went to lunch with a friend. Has is turned in a cauldron of bubbling whataboutism poop yet?

Hannity doesn’t come on for another six hours.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:04:21pm

re: #79 Interesting Times

Remember when some people here said the NeverTrumpers were insincere because, despite their criticism of Cheeto Benito, they expressed no support for Dems? Well…

[Embedded content]

Note: Tom Nichols didn’t write the linked article, but I’m interpreting the RT as an endorsement of its points. And there are some pretty good ones, like the writer’s realization and admission of how debased the GOPer base really is.

I don’t think even a big defeat for the GOP in the mid-terms is going to “save” them. (Whether they even deserve to be saved is another story.)

The Republican Party has succeeded in rolling back progress with Trump in office even more than their wildest dreams, more than their combined efforts for the past 20-30 years. The lesson they’re going to take from this is that having a racist delusional freak as POTUS really works for them — and they aren’t wrong.

Not even losing an election is going to change that. This is what the GOP has become, and it will only get worse.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:04:53pm

re: #107 KGxvi

Hannity doesn’t come on for another six hours.

His BREAKING SCOOP will be amazing, just amazing.

/

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:05:33pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

I don’t think even a big defeat for the GOP in the mid-terms is going to “save” them. (Whether they even deserve to be saved is another story.)

The Republican Party has succeeded in rolling back progress with Trump in office even more than their wildest dreams, more than their combined efforts for the past 20-30 years. The lesson they’re going to take from this is that having a racist delusional freak as POTUS really works for them — and they aren’t wrong.

Not even losing an election is going to change that. This is what the GOP has become, and it will only get worse.

It will take at least ten years of major defeats for them to change. Which means it’s going to require progressives to pay attention for ten years.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:09:18pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

I don’t think even a big defeat for the GOP in the mid-terms is going to “save” them. (Whether they even deserve to be saved is another story.)

The Republican Party has succeeded in rolling back progress with Trump in office even more than their wildest dreams, more than their combined efforts for the past 20-30 years. The lesson they’re going to take from this is that having a racist delusional freak as POTUS really works for them — and they aren’t wrong.

Not even losing an election is going to change that. This is what the GOP has become, and it will only get worse.

We’re seeing who Republicans are nominating. That’s not going to change if they get beat. Republican voters have shown they want Trump like candidates. IT’s why Corey Stewart is a nominee for Senate.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:11:28pm

re: #103 darthstar

I’m assuming there’s an innocent explanation for taking $100,000 from a foundation to pay a legal settlement…that explanation being that Trump didn’t have the money in his own bank account.

i know you’re half /s
but no
cant do it
cant borrow
nope

and if for some dumb reason you were to anyway, with the full intention of paying it back (cough)
then you write a check to yourself and rewrite another check to the ultimate payee

leaving a trail like this is assinine - by everyone involved
did not one person say we shouldnt oughta do this - or not this way or something?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:11:35pm
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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:13:02pm

re: #112 dangerman

i know you’re half /s
but no
cant do it
cant borrow
nope

and if for some dumb reason you were to anyway, with the full intention of paying it back (cough)
then you write a check to yourself and rewrite another check to the ultimate payee

leaving a trail like this is assinine - by everyone involved
did not one person say we shouldnt oughta do this - or not this way or something?

I’m guessing most involved were either members of the Trump family (or desperately wanted to be in the family), and accordingly figured that since their family name was on the business they could do whatever the dick they wanted to with the money.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:13:06pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

I don’t think even a big defeat for the GOP in the mid-terms is going to “save” them. (Whether they even deserve to be saved is another story.)

The Republican Party has succeeded in rolling back progress with Trump in office even more than their wildest dreams, more than their combined efforts for the past 20-30 years. The lesson they’re going to take from this is that having a racist delusional freak as POTUS really works for them — and they aren’t wrong.

Not even losing an election is going to change that. This is what the GOP has become, and it will only get worse.

this is sad
and true
and why we can never let them win again

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:13:33pm

What would wake up the Republican Party? Changing demographics being the reason why they lose elections in bright red areas.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:13:49pm

re: #12 darthstar

Happiness is having Trump and his three fuckhead kids charged for breaking laws that he can’t pardon his way out of.

[Embedded content]

I want a full family perp walk.

I think we are owed a family perp walk…

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:14:14pm

re: #112 dangerman

i know you’re half /s
but no
cant do it
cant borrow
nope

and if for some dumb reason you were to anyway, with the full intention of paying it back (cough)
then you write a check to yourself and rewrite another check to the ultimate payee

leaving a trail like this is assinine - by everyone involved
did not one person say we shouldnt oughta do this - or not this way or something?

I’m amazed at how blatantly and brazenly Trump consistently manages to step on his own dick.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:14:30pm

re: #113 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Only a complete idiot would believe this compulsively-lying moron.

they also go by
-deplorables
-the 40%

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:14:39pm

re: #115 dangerman

this is sad
and true
and why we can never let them win again

The GOP needs to die. It had a plce in our system at one point but it’s been on a downhill trend ever since the Depression with brief moments of correctness when Eisenhower won because of being Eisenhower not because of being a Republican.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:16:56pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So Comey used a gmail account.

And he actually worked in the FBI.

Go away Jimmy Comey…your attempt to come off as the moral man that does everything correctly is now shown to be the utterances of an arrogant ass.

I bet after today, there will be no more Comey public appearances.

Unless it is before a court.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:19:19pm

re: #114 KGxvi

I’m guessing most involved were either members of the Trump family (or desperately wanted to be in the family), and accordingly figured that since their family name was on the business they could do whatever the dick they wanted to with the money.

clearly the kids b4ecause they are board members and apparently the board hasnt met since 1999! so no oversight indeed

but this Allen Weisselberg guy? the treasurer. check signer. wow.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:20:28pm

re: #121 ObserverArt

So Comey used a gmail account.

And he actually worked in the FBI.

Go away Jimmy Comey…your attempt to come off as the moral man that does everything correctly is now shown to be the utterances of an arrogant ass.

I bet after today, there will be no more Comey public appearances.

Unless it is before a court.

I’m glad I haven’t purchased his book.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:20:36pm
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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:21:12pm

re: #118 darthstar

I’m amazed at how blatantly and brazenly Trump consistently manages to step on his own dick.

he really had to be nuts to think he could keep all this hidden while running for or being president

its one thing to maybe believe you cant be touched
another to think no one’s gonna dig

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:21:53pm

re: #124 Single-handed sailor

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Steve King (NSDAP),IA

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:22:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:22:33pm
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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:23:00pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

The GOP needs to die. It had a plce in our system at one point but it’s been on a downhill trend ever since the Depression with brief moments of correctness when Eisenhower won because of being Eisenhower not because of being a Republican.

to overstate the obvious the GOP that had a place in our system, that participated in and bought into and accpted the nature of our system, is long long gone.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:23:43pm

re: #121 ObserverArt

So Comey used a gmail account.

And he actually worked in the FBI.

Go away Jimmy Comey…your attempt to come off as the moral man that does everything correctly is now shown to be the utterances of an arrogant ass.

I bet after today, there will be no more Comey public appearances.

Unless it is before a court.

he had to know this would come out

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:24:16pm

Now it’s outright insulting reporters

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Danack  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:24:19pm

re: #121 ObserverArt

Unless it is before a court.

Sir, I disagree.

Comey sees himself as the last honest man in Washington. He truly believes that whatever action he takes it is the path of the most honest possibility.

That the facts of his actions have been revealed won’t be embarrassing to him; quite the contrary, he will be pleased that people can finally know how ‘honest’ he was.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:24:41pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Donny Jr. says Americans want to see someone with conviction.

I just want to see a conviction. Many of them. Against your father and you and doe eyes and that other guy. Plus everyone else that helped you gain the presidents office.

And then I want to see the word in past tense in history: CONVICTED!

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:25:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:25:33pm

re: #129 dangerman

to overstate the obvious the GOP that had a place in our system, that participated in and bought into and accpted the nature of our system, is long long gone.

Yep.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:25:46pm

re: #133 ObserverArt

Donny Jr. says Americans want to see someone with “A” conviction.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:27:08pm

She’s lost it…….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:27:13pm

Conviction Donnie Jr says. Oh yes how Little Rocket Man will be the next apprentice.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:27:29pm

The people in charge of the radio here it work have it on Sirius 80s channel. Occasionally “Wildfire” plays. Just a PSA.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:28:13pm

re: #131 Dave In Austin

Now it’s outright insulting reporters

But wasn’t Michelle Wolf so mean to her?//

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:31:05pm

I normally don’t RT the Krassensteins…they’re always asking for RTs…but this one was worth it.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:32:06pm

re: #139 Belafon

The people in charge of the radio here it work have it on Sirius 80s channel. Occasionally “Wildfire” plays. Just a PSA.

it’s not “rosanna”, right?

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:33:08pm
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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:33:10pm

re: #117 ObserverArt

I want a full family perp walk.

I think we are owed a family perp walk…

Yes! No separating families!

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:34:02pm

I like Nate’s take:

And wasn’t it Gowdy that had his own private email server he used for government business?

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:34:06pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

He pretty much hasn’t fired ANYONE to their faces yet, has he?

To Trump, someone getting fired from his administration by someone else is still Trump firing them.

“I gave the order, I fired them. Believe me.”

“And no, I don’t do it face to face. I don’t talk to losers that get fired. This I can tell you.”

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:34:07pm

re: #137 Dave In Austin

She’s lost it…….

She’s an angry woman.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:34:15pm

How damn depressing must it be for his opponents
And, how empty must the victories be, what with no real challenge

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:35:00pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:35:37pm

I am Jack’s raging bile duct.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:36:05pm

re: #145 Belafon

I like Nate’s take:

[Embedded content]

And wasn’t it Gowdy that had his own private email server he used for government business?

Pence too. And his was friggin AOL.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:36:52pm
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darthstar  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:37:36pm

re: #148 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

How damn depressing must it be for his opponents
And, how empty must the victories be, what with no real challenge

[Embedded content]

I saw that video earlier. He doesn’t even leave his feet to dunk.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:38:49pm

re: #79 Interesting Times

Remember when some people here said the NeverTrumpers were insincere because, despite their criticism of Cheeto Benito, they expressed no support for Dems? Well…

[Embedded content]

Note: Tom Nichols didn’t write the linked article, but I’m interpreting the RT as an endorsement of its points. And there are some pretty good ones, like the writer’s realization and admission of how debased the GOPer base really is.

Do you really think Tom Nichols will go into a voting booth and vote for Democrats?

I don’t.

I think he is hoping others do it, which was what he was talking about months ago when he was asking for Democrats to help eliminate some of the bad candidates in like Roy Moore.

To me that was as close to admitting that he can’t, but others must.

Nope, ain’t gonna buy it.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:39:01pm

re: #149 JordanRules

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:39:41pm

re: #109 Sir John Barron

His BREAKING SCOOP will be amazing, just amazing.

/

Revisiting all the Clinton murders? //

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:41:08pm
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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:41:38pm

re: #156 Barefoot Grin

Revisiting all the Clinton murders? //

“Could raccoons be watching your TV while you’re at work?”

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:41:49pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:41:52pm

re: #153 darthstar

I saw that video earlier. He doesn’t even leave his feet to dunk.

You pretty much need to foul him before he gets near the basket. Statistically it has to be the best option

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:41:54pm

North Dakota GOP candidate for Secretary of State withdraws his nomination in the primary after news of his convictions for being a peeping tom come out.

sayanythingblog.com

Yesterday I wrote about the potential for a political headache for Republicans in the Secretary of State race if Will Gardner, who dropped out of the race earlier this year amid scandal but couldn’t by law be removed from the primary ballot, didn’t decline the nomination he won by running unopposed.

Last night a NDGOP official told me that Gardner had submitted his letter. This morning I obtained a copy of that letter from the Secretary of State’s office.

“I hereby inform you that I intend to decline the Republican nomination for Secretary of State,” Gardner writes in the letter which was dated yesterday. “I understand this will void my nomination by the Republican Party pending the canvassing results of the June 12, 2018, Primary Election.”

Gardner also references the portion of the North Dakota Century Code which allows him to do this.

(more)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:42:42pm
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Interesting Times  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:42:49pm
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Kragar  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:42:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:43:05pm

Trump applauded Comey until Comey refused to close the Russia foundation. I’m going to poss off our Patriots fans here but it reminds me of Robert Kraft and Roger Goodell’s relationship.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:44:16pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:45:27pm

re: #125 dangerman

he really had to be nuts to think he could keep all this hidden while running for or being president

its one thing to maybe believe you cant be touched
another to think no one’s gonna dig

He had a whole life of slinking out of issues and then getting bailed out.

The whole time the touch-me-not arrogance built and built.

He fully thought he could get away with it. That is Trump.

Plus, he really isn’t all that smart. I think that is obvious.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:45:50pm
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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:46:26pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

I am Jack’s raging bile duct.

Will the kids be free to leave if they want?

No?

Then it’s not a goddamned shelter but an internment camp.

100%

first thing i learned if ever stopped by a cop:

always ask: “am i under arrest?”
if the answer is no, ask “am i free to go?”
if the answer to that is no, then you are under arrest

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:47:14pm

re: #132 Danack

Sir, I disagree.

Comey sees himself as the last honest man in Washington. He truly believes that whatever action he takes it is the path of the most honest possibility.

That the facts of his actions have been revealed won’t be embarrassing to him; quite the contrary, he will be pleased that people can finally know how ‘honest’ he was.

Well, one thing for sure…it is going to be interesting to watch. Let’s see what happens and take it up later.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:47:39pm

Trumpanzees.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:48:30pm

re: #168 JordanRules

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So glad he wasn’t around in 1938 for the Sudenland and Anchuluss. JFC. Even if so, Ukraine’s sovereignty was violated.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:49:25pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

Trumpanzees.

[Embedded content]

Oh Fred. It’s going to be fun watching you cry as Trump goes down in ruins. The harder the rise, the harder the fall.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:49:25pm

re: #167 ObserverArt

He had a whole life of slinking out of issues and then getting bailed out.

The whole time the touch-me-not arrogance built and built.

He fully thought he could get away with it. That is Trump.

Plus, he really isn’t all that smart. I think that is obvious.

So far he certainly seems to be that smart. Everyone in the GOP is either retiring or paying him obeisance. His fans continue to worship him. We are seriously underestimating him if we really continue to call him a moron. His supporters may be racist morons — but he’s just racist and not a moron.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:50:37pm

re: #166 JordanRules

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Between us and the Brits, were really going downhill together.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:51:42pm

re: #167 ObserverArt

He had a whole life of slinking out of issues and then getting bailed out.

The whole time the touch-me-not arrogance built and built.

He fully thought he could get away with it. That is Trump.

Plus, he really isn’t all that smart. I think that is obvious.

you’re right.
smart (successful) criminals dont want to attract any attention to themselves or their operations

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:52:42pm
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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:53:14pm

re: #139 Belafon

The people in charge of the radio here it work have it on Sirius 80s channel. Occasionally “Wildfire” plays. Just a PSA.

What a depressing song. In many respects, the 70s sucked.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:53:41pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

Trumpanzees.

Charles Johnson
“Special Councel.” The president of the US is a ranting, delusional, illiterate jackass.

Fred Oringer
Yeah, and he’s got your goat! LMAO!

actually fred, he’s got you by the nose

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:54:21pm

re: #178 makeitstop

What a depressing song. In many respects, the 70s sucked.

Still a better musical decade than the 80’s.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:55:52pm

re: #174 Hecuba’s daughter

So far he certainly seems to be that smart. Everyone in the GOP is either retiring or paying him obeisance. His fans continue to worship him. We are seriously underestimating him if we really continue to call him a moron. His supporters may be racist morons — but he’s just racist and not a moron.

he is a savant wrt media and manipulation

otherwise he is still a moron, an idiot, and stunningly ignorant

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:55:57pm

re: #174 Hecuba’s daughter

So far he certainly seems to be that smart. Everyone in the GOP is either retiring or paying him obeisance. His fans continue to worship him. We are seriously underestimating him if we really continue to call him a moron. His supporters may be racist morons — but he’s just racist and not a moron.

I think you give him too much credit. Don’t see him realizing that he has his party by the balls as a mark of intelligence, in many ways he’s incredibly deserving of moron.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:56:16pm

re: #181 dangerman

he is a savant wrt media and manipulation

otherwise he is still a moron, an idiot, and stunningly ignorant

Well spoken.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:56:45pm

re: #174 Hecuba’s daughter

So far he certainly seems to be that smart. Everyone in the GOP is either retiring or paying him obeisance. His fans continue to worship him. We are seriously underestimating him if we really continue to call him a moron. His supporters may be racist morons — but he’s just racist and not a moron.

He gets away with it because most people react to aggression by backing off. When he’s challenged, he loses, like in the lawsuits about him paying for services. The president has been assumed to be occupied by someone who will act like a gentleman, and so he’s gotten away with stuff because he’s still playing the bully.

Mueller isn’t playing that game. A few Democrats aren’t either. And the rest of us need to get on board with that.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:56:54pm

re: #179 dangerman

Trump prefers grabbing people by the genitals.

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freetoken  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:57:12pm

Children are masters at manipulation.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:57:58pm

re: #178 makeitstop

Occasionally “Wildfire” plays. Just a PSA.

it’s a song from the seventies and they are playing on sirius 80’s
how is that possible??????????
what’s happening in the world?

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:01:46pm

re: #168 JordanRules

If we’re going to start giving land back to former empires, can California be part of Spain instead of the UK? I’d really like that EU passport.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:01:47pm

re: #174 Hecuba’s daughter

So far he certainly seems to be that smart. Everyone in the GOP is either retiring or paying him obeisance. His fans continue to worship him. We are seriously underestimating him if we really continue to call him a moron. His supporters may be racist morons — but he’s just racist and not a moron.

We were discussing if he thought he could bury all the illegal activities that got him elected and the illegal stuff he did in the past. That is the context of my comment.

If he is convicted or dumped out of office, then he wasn’t that smart was he?

And a dumb ass can still be a great con man.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:02:25pm

re: #186 freetoken

Children are masters at manipulation.

I was good at that. I’d make my eyes look sad. I do it now and everyone laughs.

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Interesting Times  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:03:50pm

re: #189 ObserverArt

And a dumb ass can still be a great con man.

True. I think it was someone else here who said, “A con man doesn’t need to be a genius - just smarter than the people he’s trying to con.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:03:53pm

buzzfeed.com

McDaniels claims she misquoted herself on her threatening tweet demanding loyalty to Trump.

“I’m old enough to remember when Ronna Romney McDaniel spoke in a way befitting a citizen of a free republic, before Ronna McDaniel started sounding like a spokesperson for an authoritarian government,” tweeted Bill Kristol, the conservative commentator and a leading anti-Trump voice who has been encouraging a primary challenge in 2020.

McDaniel’s tweet appeared to be reconstructed from a different context, during an interview she did the evening before on Fox Business Network’s Lou Dobbs Tonight. More than 12 hours after the missive — and only after first tweeting birthday wishes to Trump — she attempted a walk-back by posting a transcript from the appearance, which she said “didn’t translate well with a 240-character limit.”

On Wednesday night and Thursday morning, RNC officials reached by BuzzFeed News declined to elaborate on the tweet or how it was posted in such a threatening context.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:05:57pm

re: #191 Interesting Times

True. I think it was someone else here who said, “A con man doesn’t need to be a genius - just smarter than the people he’s trying to con.”

That’s Trumpism to a tee.

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Kragar  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:08:46pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:08:49pm

I do not even want to imagine a Clinton administration, with Republicans controlling both houses of Congress, where the reopening of the email probe was not announced until after the election.
It would be Benghazi, times infinity. And, that’s not even counting the half dozen, or so, separate ‘Uranium One’ investigations

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TedStriker  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:08:57pm

re: #178 makeitstop

What a depressing song. In many respects, the 70s sucked.

“Wildfire” is depressing, but it’s also kind of a pretty song, IMO.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:09:40pm

re: #153 darthstar

I saw that video earlier. He doesn’t even leave his feet to dunk.

Back in college, between classes, we’d walk past the grade-school playground where there were these low hoops. My friend & I would amuse ourselves by imitating Dominique Wilkins (“The Human Highlight Reel”) and Dr. J. It was kinda fun, although I think I was the only one that could actually dunk on a regulation-height hoop.

That was many years and many pounds ago. Don’t think I have that kind of liftoff these days, sadly.

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freetoken  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:09:55pm

Monsoon season has arrived early:

ssd.noaa.gov

A bit weird for June, as we normally just get the “June gloom” - ocean low level clouds.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:10:11pm

re: #191 Interesting Times

True. I think it was someone else here who said, “A con man doesn’t need to be a genius - just smarter than the people he’s trying to con.”

A smart man will probably reject doing something like grifting and conning. They would see it as below them and below the use of their intelligence. Morals and high standards would get in the way.

A man that isn’t all that smart will not have any filters and will sometimes do what is necessary to get by.

And like dangerman said, a really smart criminal isn’t going to have the trail that Trump seems to have and they wouldn’t have a stiff like “Who says” Cohen keeping all the records that could bring them down.

Is having a Cohen as your law hack smart?

Is it smart to be so tied to the Russians?

And would good lawyers refuse to work with a smart man?

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:11:12pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Still a better musical decade than the 80’s.

Well, if we’re going by pop music, then both decades kinda sucked. :)

Some really great rock came out of both decades, though.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:11:39pm

re: #194 Kragar

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Applying for asylum isn’t a crime, Snap Crackled Popped douche.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:12:00pm

re: #200 makeitstop

Well, if we’re going by pop music, then both decades kinda sucked. :)

Some really great rock came out of both decades, though.

Yeah, yeah true.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:12:58pm

re: #191 Interesting Times

True. I think it was someone else here who said, “A con man doesn’t need to be a genius - just smarter than the people he’s trying to con.”

Well, given that the Trump supporters I know are well educated and seem to be knowledgeable in other areas of their lives, what then does it mean that he’s smarter than his marks? That they are so gullible they fall for his act? Or perhaps, it’s just that this is the first time in awhile that there was a candidate who was racist to his core and that’s what they wanted?

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freetoken  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:14:38pm

re: #203 Hecuba’s daughter

Of the otherwise-educated Trumpers that I know, Trump is successfully playing to their bigotry.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:14:40pm

re: #196 TedStriker

“Wildfire” is depressing, but it’s also kind of a pretty song, IMO.

Dan Fogelberg called it though …

The Power of Gold

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:14:52pm

re: #196 TedStriker

“Wildfire” is depressing, but it’s also kind of a pretty song, IMO.

Well written, sure. But that poor horse…

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:15:06pm

re: #192 Anymouse 🌹

buzzfeed.com

McDaniels claims she misquoted herself on her threatening tweet demanding loyalty to Trump.

(more)

it’s the format’s fault? really?

damn wont these people take responsibility for anything they do?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:16:26pm

re: #203 Hecuba’s daughter

Well, given that the Trump supporters I know are well educated and seem to be knowledgeable in other areas of their lives, what then does it mean that he’s smarter than his marks? That they are so gullible they fall for his act? Or perhaps, it’s just that this is the first time in awhile that there was a candidate who was racist to his core and that’s what they wanted?

The last line. Trump went with all the racism of the GOP since Goldwater, minus the dog whistles.

When they say “he tells it like it is,” that’s what they mean.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:16:31pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:16:56pm

re: #200 makeitstop

Well, if we’re going by pop music, then both decades kinda sucked. :)

Some really great rock came out of both decades, though.

Damn skippy. The 70s gave us Led Zep, AC/DC, the James Gang, Bruce Springsteen, David Bowie, etc.

The 80s gave us U2, REM, Metallica, Madonna, etc.

And yeah, we also got the 80s “haircut metal bands” that stank up the landscape here in LA when I arrived in ‘89, along with really strange synth-pop groups whose main draw seemed to be wearing way too much eyeshadow, near-lethal doses of Aquanet, and pouting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:18:34pm
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Interesting Times  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:19:04pm

re: #203 Hecuba’s daughter

Well, given that the Trump supporters I know are well educated and seem to be knowledgeable in other areas of their lives, what then does it mean that he’s smarter than his marks? That they are so gullible they fall for his act?

That’s certainly part of it - remember all the stories about otherwise-smart people whom you’d think would know better (e.g. doctors, professors, etc) who get taken in by amateur-hour cons like Nigerian email scams?

Or perhaps, it’s just that this is the first time in awhile that there was a candidate who was racist to his core and that’s what they wanted?

That’s definitely a part of it as well, and it’s not unrelated to the point above - when a skilled conman appeals to people’s base emotions (especially anger, fear, and greed), he actually makes them dumber.

So, that in a nutshell is how “smart” people can be conned just as easily as more obvious marks.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:19:06pm

re: #199 ObserverArt

A smart man will probably reject doing something like grifting and conning. They would see it as below them and below the use of their intelligence. Morals and high standards would get in the way.

A man that isn’t all that smart will not have any filters and will sometimes do what is necessary to get by.

And like dangerman said, a really smart criminal isn’t going to have the trail that Trump seems to have and they wouldn’t have a stiff like “Who says” Cohen keeping all the records that could bring them down.

Is having a Cohen as your law hack smart?

Is it smart to be so tied to the Russians?

And would good lawyers refuse to work with a smart man?

… is it smart to write down and sign “dude pay this personal bill of mine out of the foundation’s funds”

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:20:23pm

Amidst all the World Cup hoopla, we might spare a second to remember that Russia is engaged in a war against a peaceful neighbor, all to pursue Mad Vlad’s desire to reconstitute the Soviet Union

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:22:17pm

… and, of course, Trump is on the side of Putin and the Russian murderers, and against the pro-Western, pro-Democracy side

It’s all coming out into the open now.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:22:42pm

re: #203 Hecuba’s daughter

Well, given that the Trump supporters I know are well educated and seem to be knowledgeable in other areas of their lives, what then does it mean that he’s smarter than his marks? That they are so gullible they fall for his act? Or perhaps, it’s just that this is the first time in awhile that there was a candidate who was racist to his core and that’s what they wanted?

It means they are well educated, but as far as real world life smart, not necessarily smart.

I bet if you think about it, those people you speak of have done some really stupid real world stuff.

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danarchy  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:22:50pm

re: #199 ObserverArt

A smart man will probably reject doing something like grifting and conning. They would see it as below them and below the use of their intelligence. Morals and high standards would get in the way.

Sorry, but I have to call total BS on this. In my experience intelligence and morals aren’t linked in any way. Some times really smart people try to figure out how to get by with as little effort as possible, if that means running a con so be it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:23:56pm
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jaunte  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:24:00pm

re: #215 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Crimea Is Russian because everyone there speaks Russian

And of course, Trump is a loyal subject of the Queen of England.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:25:48pm

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

And once again the White House Press Corpse fails in its duty. The next reporter should have asked the same question, and every reporter after her, until Sanders either shut down the press meeting in shame, or she answered the question.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:26:00pm

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Such a Christian, that Sarah.

I hope her conscience eats her alive.

Sorry. Not sorry.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:28:13pm

re: #221 ObserverArt

Such a Christian, that Sarah.

I hope her conscience eats her alive.

Sorry. Not sorry.

I believe you have to consent to a conscience-ectomy to work in this administration.

Besides - she’s a Huckabee. The only conscience in that family belonged to the dog the one kid killed.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:28:58pm

re: #213 dangerman

… is it smart to write down and sign “dude pay this personal bill of mine out of the foundation’s funds”

Can you just imagine all the little jewels that exist in those millions of documents swept up in the Cohen raid?

It sure goes to what we’ve been discussing about being arrogant and thinking you aren’t going to get caught. Arrogance leads to sloppiness.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:30:00pm

re: #215 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

… and, of course, Trump is on the side of Putin and the Russian murderers, and against the pro-Western, pro-Democracy side

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It’s all coming out into the open now.

According to Trump, Russia has a right to Crimea because they all speak Russian there, BUT also believes that Vlad taking Crimea is evidence of how he had no “respect” for Obama.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:31:11pm
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TedStriker  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:32:07pm

re: #210 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Damn skippy. The 70s gave us Led Zep, AC/DC, the James Gang, Bruce Springsteen, David Bowie, etc.

The 80s gave us U2, REM, Metallica, Madonna, etc.

And yeah, we also got the 80s “haircut metal bands” that stank up the landscape here in LA when I arrived in ‘89, along with really strange synth-pop groups whose main draw seemed to be wearing way too much eyeshadow, near-lethal doses of Aquanet, and pouting.

“Hair”…it’s “hair metal”.

TBH, there were a bunch of crap hair bands out in the 80s and early 90s, before grunge started gaining popularity, but there were also a lot of really good (and influential) hair bands. Guns N’ Roses, Warrant, Def Leppard, Skid Row, Bon Jovi, Mötley Crüe, Ratt, Poison, Winger, Whitesnake, and more…all at varying degrees of hardness or pop-ness, but a lot of them were pretty damn good.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:32:29pm

re: #215 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

… and, of course, Trump is on the side of Putin and the Russian murderers, and against the pro-Western, pro-Democracy side

It’s all coming out into the open now.

King Felipe won’t ask for the return of Mexico and most of South America but Trump would no doubt support him if he did.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:32:32pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

A female reporter needs to ask her if she believes women should be working during their period.

Edit: Especially if she does.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:32:57pm

re: #215 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Trump told G7 leaders over dinner that Crimea Is Russian because everyone there speaks Russian

Crimea is a bit of a case unto itself.

Historically, it was part of Russia, it was simply “given” to the Ukrainian SSR by Nikita Khruschev for administrative purposes in the 1950’s because it was isolated by land from the rest of the Russian SSR.

Something that mattered very little back then, it was all one big happy Soviet family.

Russia does have a certain claim to it, but that does not mean that the way they went about asserting that claim (militarily occupying it and then holding a “referendum” on it
was proper and in line with international law.

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electrotek  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:34:11pm

re: #141 darthstar

I normally don’t RT the Krassensteins…they’re always asking for RTs…but this one was worth it.

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re: #210 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Damn skippy. The 70s gave us Led Zep, AC/DC, the James Gang, Bruce Springsteen, David Bowie, etc.

The 80s gave us U2, REM, Metallica, Madonna, etc.

And yeah, we also got the 80s “haircut metal bands” that stank up the landscape here in LA when I arrived in ‘89, along with really strange synth-pop groups whose main draw seemed to be wearing way too much eyeshadow, near-lethal doses of Aquanet, and pouting.

The 70s also gave us Kraftwerk and Yellow Magic Orchestra.

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Bubblehead II  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:34:32pm

re: #194 Kragar

What I find interesting in this whole immigration thing is how they like to conveniently forget Matthew 25 verses 40-45.

Matthew 25:40-45 New International Version (NIV)

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,

43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

Fucking hypocrites all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:35:46pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:36:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:36:55pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:38:02pm

re: #217 danarchy

Sorry, but I have to call total BS on this. In my experience intelligence and morals aren’t linked in any way. Some times really smart people try to figure out how to get by with as little effort as possible, if that means running a con so be it.

Some times.

And if they do what you say, is that truly smart/intelligent?

Or, is that sliding on your smarts, a denial?

And many times they do end up getting caught or pissing off the people they conned.

Is that smart?

Yes, you can suspend or ignore your morals. But again, is that smart?

Also, I am just here to discuss. I take a little offense to the “bullshit” comment. You can disagree, but I see things the way I see them and I am honest about them. But I am not bullshitting.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:38:34pm

re: #213 dangerman

… is it smart to write down and sign “dude pay this personal bill of mine out of the foundation’s funds”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:38:40pm

re: #233 Charles Johnson

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:39:25pm

re: #226 TedStriker

“Hair”…it’s “hair metal”.

TBH, there were a bunch of crap hair bands out in the 80s and early 90s, before grunge started gaining popularity, but there were also a lot of really good (and influential) hair bands. Guns N’ Roses, Warrant, Def Leppard, Skid Row, Bon Jovi, Mötley Crüe, Ratt, Poison, Winger, and more…all at varying degrees of hardness or pop-ness, but all pretty good.

Winger? WINGER!???

(frantically searching for animated GIF of Butthead smacking Beavis around, saying “This is for your own good, Beavis.”)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:40:06pm

Is is also Biblical to follow the law when the law states that you cannot discriminate against gay customers?

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:42:04pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:43:13pm

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

Speaking of cultic fascism:

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:43:20pm

I mentioned yesterday The Constitution That Delicate Balance, Part 11, Immigration (1984)

a couple of quotes - not all related:

asylum seekers “have a right to a hearing once they are in the united states”
but they still are detained in “jails” while waiting - note this is not “punishment”

“what they are doing is cutting these people off so they cant even apply

alan simpson - people of america do not understand the difference between an immigrant a refugee a permanent resident alien.
they make no distinction about those persons whatsoever and every one of those is a key distinction.

after mariel, because this was unaceptable the policy was “were going to stop them”. if we made our policy hard enough they would stop coming…

re hatians: it’s a political response to a problem. the hatians have become a symbol. they look different they speak a different language theyre a different color and theyre physically isolated. its easier to stop them as a group and show them up as an example of some kind of progress.

oh, and they discussed “a wall”

produced in 1984

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:44:32pm
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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:44:55pm

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

Brian Karem is all of us.

Watch as he gets heated with Sarah Huckabee Sanders while discussing separating children from their parents.

Bravo Brian.

i reiterate

“jill” should have asked “why wont you answer his question”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:46:07pm

re: #242 dangerman

alan simpson - people of america do not understand the difference between an immigrant a refugee a permanent resident alien.
they make no distinction about those persons whatsoever and every one of those is a key distinction.

That is a key point

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:46:20pm
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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:46:33pm

re: #220 Anymouse 🌹

And once again the White House Press Corpse fails in its duty. The next reporter should have asked the same question, and every reporter after her, until Sanders either shut down the press meeting in shame, or she answered the question.

sorry - i should have read down

this exactly!

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:47:49pm

re: #223 ObserverArt

Can you just imagine all the little jewels that exist in those millions of documents swept up in the Cohen raid?

It sure goes to what we’ve been discussing about being arrogant and thinking you aren’t going to get caught. Arrogance leads to sloppiness.

and then something else leads to putting a target on your back and then yelling to the world “look over here at me”

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Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:49:17pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:50:10pm

re: #220 Anymouse 🌹

And once again the White House Press Corpse fails in its duty. The next reporter should have asked the same question, and every reporter after her, until Sanders either shut down the press meeting in shame, or she answered the question.

They should have been doing that from day one, lie one.

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TedStriker  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:50:44pm

re: #238 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Winger? WINGER!???

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(frantically searching for animated GIF of Butthead smacking Beavis around, saying “This is for your own good, Beavis.”)

Funny that:

Winger may have been lambasted by those arbiters of suck, Beavis and Butt-Head (not to mention Metallica’s Lars Ulrich, who threw a dart at a picture of frontman Kip Winger in the video for “Nothing Else Matters”) but the band’s musical pedigree was practically unmatched in Eighties metal. Kip and keyboardist Paul Taylor had worked as backup musicians for artists like Alice Cooper; Berklee-educated guitarist Reb Beach played with everyone from Chaka Khan to the Bee Gees; and drummer Rod Morgenstein hailed from jazz-fusion pioneers Dixie Dregs. Together, the band crafted an album that combined hard-pop melodies with, not surprisingly, plenty of proggy, technically dazzling instrumental work. All of which was summarily eclipsed by their singer’s pin-up good looks — and the lecherous undercurrent of tunes like “Seventeen.” But, Kip later explained, “Seventeen was legal in Colorado [his home state], so I didn’t even get the joke, dude. I didn’t get it.” R.B.

rollingstone.com

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:50:51pm
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freetoken  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:50:53pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

We’re fighting a religious war.

Even those of us who are not particularly religious (or not at all.)

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:50:54pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

7-2 with Sotomayor and Breyer in dissent, opinion by Roberts.

Basically comes down to the term “political” being poorly defined. From the syllabus:

The State therefore must be able to articulate some sensible basis for distinguishing what may come in from what must stay out. The unmoored use of the term “political” in the Minnesota law, combined with haphazard interpretations the State has provided in official guidance and representations to this Court, cause Minnesota’s restriction to fail this test.

Doesn’t change the status of a polling place as a non-public forum, or that the ban itself is impermissible.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:51:14pm

re: #230 electrotek

The 70s also gave us Kraftwerk and Yellow Magic Orchestra.

and

and

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:54:05pm

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here is racist elf Jeff Sessions making an unconvincing case that the Bible justifies separating families at the border during a speech in Indiana

whether “the bible justifies separating families” or not

“the bible” is not the standard of law here jeff

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:54:18pm

re: #229 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Crimea is a bit of a case unto itself.

Historically, it was part of Russia, it was simply “given” to the Ukrainian SSR by Nikita Khruschev for administrative purposes in the 1950’s because it was isolated by land from the rest of the Russian SSR.

Something that mattered very little back then, it was all one big happy Soviet family.

Russia does have a certain claim to it, but that does not mean that the way they went about asserting that claim (militarily occupying it and then holding a “referendum” on it
was proper and in line with international law.

It was 1954, I believe, and Khrushchev “gifted” the administration of the Crimea to Ukraine as a sort of commemoration of some Ukrainian revolt or other (?) in 1654. Of course, under the Soviet Union, “administrative” borders meant much less than they do now (especially as Ukraine is independent).

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:55:08pm

re: #231 Bubblehead II

And that’s the thing about the Bible: You can use it to justify anything.

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. - Psalms 137:9, KJV

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:55:58pm

re: #253 freetoken

We’re fighting a religious war.

Even those of us who are not particularly religious (or not at all.)

Aren’t a lot of wars religious when you dig down to what the conflict is. At least religion is used to cover for the politics behind them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:56:11pm
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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:56:26pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

#SCOTUS holds that Minnesota law banning political apparel at polling places violates the First Amendment.

wait for it:

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Citizen K  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:57:23pm

Outside of the usual key exceptions, it looks like the media has decided to treat everything that’s come out today, between the IG report, Sessions’ biblical justification for racism, and the like with their usual undeserved and unrestrained credulity toward Trump. Outside of folks like Blow, Hayes, Sergeant, etc., they seem to use the Administration’s language and narrative almost exclusively.

I’m fucking tired….I can’t even muster up the strength to be mad anymore. I’m just so fucking exhausted by how fucking easy it is for the GOP to win by full surrender without even a fucking fight. The Media love-in is fucking endless, and we’re all going to pay the fucking consequences of it.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:57:32pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is certainly NOT about “TV time,” @PressSec. This is about the deep trauma that your administration is inflicting by ripping children from their parents, in violation of every human rights standard that exists. Anyone with kids should understand this.

maybe brian’s mistake was playing to her humanity

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:57:40pm

re: #257 Jay C

It was 1954, I believe, and Khrushchev “gifted” the administration of the Crimea to Ukraine as a sort of commemoration of some Ukrainian revolt or other (?) in 1654. Of course, under the Soviet Union, “administrative” borders meant much less than they do now (especially as Ukraine is independent).

And that touches on a larger issue of the large Russian diaspora (some 20-30 million), ethnic Russians living outside the Russian federation in former Sovieet states.

In the USSR, they tended to be a pampered minority, with access to the best jobs, schooling and chances for advancement in government and administratinve positions.

Things changed greatly when they became minorities in the independent countries formed out of former Soviet states..

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:58:10pm

re: #259 ObserverArt

Aren’t a lot of wars religious when you dig down to what the conflict is. At least religion is used to cover for the politics behind them.

leading causes of war, in no particular order:

1. land
2. resources
3. religion
4. ideology

At least that’s how history has mostly played out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:01:19pm

re: #259 ObserverArt

Aren’t a lot of wars religious when you dig down to what the conflict is. At least religion is used to cover for the politics behind them.

This is a big year for history buffs in Europe, marking the 300th anniversary of the beginning of the Thirty Years’ War, which started out over various religious conflicts between Protestant and Catholic states in Europe, but later saw Catholics and Protestants forming political alliances with each to fight against other states…

It wiped out nearly 30% of the population in Germany.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:01:28pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:01:44pm

Heh, Nicole Wallace just put up a “Rachel” wall of 74 Trump tweets attacking Comey and says by the time of her show tomorrow there will be many more.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:03:40pm

re: #263 dangerman

maybe brian’s mistake was playing to her humanity

He made the mistake of thinking she was a Christian in the true sense.

She is a Christian in the sense that Anymouse often times discusses.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:05:54pm
“I worry that… pseudo-science and superstition will seem year by year more tempting, the siren song of unreason more sonorous and attractive. Where have we heard it before?

Whenever our ethnic or national prejudices are aroused, in times of scarcity, during challenges to national self-esteem or nerve, when we agonize about our diminished cosmic place and purpose, or when fanaticism is bubbling up around us-then, habits of thought familiar from ages past reach for the controls.

The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir.”

Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark (1996)

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:05:55pm

re: #265 KGxvi

leading causes of war, in no particular order:

1. land
2. resources
3. religion
4. ideology

At least that’s how history has mostly played out.

5. Money (or is that a subpoint of 2?)

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meteor  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:06:03pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:06:23pm

Whoever did Dump Vulture. Thank you!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:06:36pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:06:40pm

Radar shows a severe thunderstorm about twenty minutes away …

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:07:04pm

re: #272 meteor

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47.

Also, google “aktion t4”.

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:07:44pm

re: #271 Teukka

5. Money (or is that a subpoint of 2?)

Yeah, I’d consider that more part of resources. Governments, especially in the modern era, make their own money. Historically, “they have gold” would have made sense, though.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:07:52pm

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The crowd that frequently accuses “liberalism” of leading “youts” away from the Church is using the Bible to justify inhumanity towards their fellow man. And, in their heads, this all makes total sense.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:08:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:09:17pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Owned by a Jesuit. Your move Beauregard.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:10:16pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:11:28pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Owned by a Jesuit. Your move Beauregard.

Papist.

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meteor  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:12:07pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

He’s a Methodist. Doesn’t give a shit about those demon-loving Cafflicks.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:12:34pm

re: #282 Anymouse 🌹

Papist.

1st thing I thought of myself.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:12:49pm

re: #273 Dave In Austin

Whoever did Dump Vulture. Thank you!!!

You’re welcome. :)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:13:27pm

re: #283 meteor

He’s a Methodist. Doesn’t give a shit about those demon-loving Cafflicks.

I’m surprised. Thought he’d be SBC for sure. I know though. Just glad to see the good SJ, Father Martin school his ass.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:13:58pm

good grief

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:14:17pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:14:35pm

re: #272 meteor

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The Nazis first claimed the only people put in the camps were criminals. Then they expanded the list of things that were “crimes,” eventually leading to branding you a criminal simply because of whose blood you were born with. Then they realized the camps were becoming too crowded, they couldn’t afford the costs of keeping so many “criminals” in them, so they came up with their “Final Solution” to the problem.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:14:46pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

AG Jeff Sessions on immigration policy: Illegal entry into the US is a crime; “I would cite you to the apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13, to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained the government for his purposes.”

asylum seekers at the border have not entered illegally

if we do let them cross, we have, in fact given them certain rights they didnt have before. and they did not cross illegally. we let them come in to have their asylum case adjudicated

is he really that stupid?

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:15:35pm

re: #290 dangerman

asylum seekers at the border have not entered illegally

if we do let them cross, we have, in fact given them certain rights they didnt have before. and they did not cross illegally. we let them come in to have their asylum case adjudicated

is he really that stupid?

That’s a rhetorical question, right?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:15:42pm

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:16:23pm

jfc

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:17:11pm

re: #290 dangerman

asylum seekers at the border have not entered illegally

if we do let them cross, we have, in fact given them certain rights they didnt have before. and they did not cross illegally. we let them come in to have their asylum case adjudicated

is he really that stupid?

No he is not stupid. He is a stupendous liar however.

All of the Republican politicians conflating “asylum” with “unlawful border crossing” are intentionally doing that to spin up racist conservatives.

They know the law, they are lying to voters.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:17:36pm

re: #291 Targetpractice

That’s a rhetorical question, right?

yup
i believe we studied those here last week

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:21:05pm

LOL

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:23:51pm

re: #294 Anymouse 🌹

No he is not stupid. He is a stupendous liar however.

All of the Republican politicians conflating “asylum” with “unlawful border crossing” are intentionally doing that to spin up racist conservatives.

They know the law, they are lying to voters.

The conflation is serving a purpose: Presenting any border crossing as “illegal,” so that any actions taken are entirely legal and justified. The primary intent is to present otherwise immoral or even illegal actions as purely within the realm of “law enforcement,” but the secondary intent is to spread the fear that entering the US will lead to incarceration or worse. Combine that with the increasing efforts to strip citizenship from legal residents by going after them for decades-old misdemeanors and the message is clear: “You are not welcome and will never be welcome, this is a Whites-Only nation.”

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:26:55pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:34:54pm

Sarah Kendzior thread, and a response to it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:39:10pm

Cheyenne weather radar just went down. We’re flying blind here.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:39:22pm
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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:41:16pm

re: #101 Belafon

A lot of Trump supporters grew up during the age of leaded gasoline.

Edit: And lead paint.

So did a lot of non-supporters.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:42:06pm

re: #302 BeachDem

So did a lot of non-supporters.

I grew up during the age of leaded gasoline. I didn’t turn into a racist.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:42:36pm

It’s been a very shady day.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:43:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:43:49pm

re: #301 goddamnedfrank

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:44:06pm

re: #303 Anymouse 🌹

I grew up during the age of leaded gasoline. I didn’t turn into a racist.

I grew up in Los Angeles in the leaded-gasoline AND smog-alert era - I didn’t turn into a racist, either.

(any other perceived problems notwithstanding……)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:44:33pm

re: #304 goddamnedfrank

It’s been a very shady day.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:46:17pm

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Trump is the one who can’t understand, write and speak long, complex sentences. Sarah needs to get it right. Acosta should have come back at her hard for that.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:47:58pm

re: #304 goddamnedfrank

It’s been a very shady day.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:49:09pm

re: #304 goddamnedfrank

It’s been a very shady day.

Hillary Clinton has a good sense of humour. If there was a “tweet of the day” that would be it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:50:29pm

But Her E-mails

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Alephnaught  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:50:31pm

re: #255 dangerman

and

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Also:

Banana Boots

As worn by Billy Connolly in the 1970s.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:50:48pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:52:31pm

re: #314 MsJ

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Jayapal is one of my faves. Great advocate for immigrants.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:52:46pm

re: #313 Alephnaught

Also:

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As worn by Billy Connolly in the 1970s.

a funny funny guy

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:53:26pm

re: #231 Bubblehead II

What I find interesting in this whole immigration thing is how they like to conveniently forget Matthew 25 verses 40-45.

Matthew 25:40-45 New International Version (NIV)

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,

43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

Fucking hypocrites all.

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steve_davis  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:53:36pm

re: #196 TedStriker

“Wildfire” is depressing, but it’s also kind of a pretty song, IMO.

you want depressing but beautiful? Try “Alone Again, Naturally.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:53:50pm

Apparently Senator Feinstein’s bill just won’t do (it was filed by a Democrat).

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:54:33pm

does anybody know what this “democrat law” is supposed to be that is “compelling” the trompe administration to rip children from the arms of their parents?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:54:41pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:56:44pm

re: #320 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

does anybody know what this “democrat law” is supposed to be that is “compelling” the trompe administration to rip children from the arms of their parents?

The law (actually a court decision) concerns children who are unaccompanied being taken into federal custody.

What the maladministration has done is interpreted that court order to mean they can’t prove any of the children are “really” with their parents or other family members, so they have declared “none of them are.”

With that justification, they are then taking all children.

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:57:56pm

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

so Sessions really is a Confederate?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:58:32pm

re: #317 Eclectic Cyborg

Republican Jesus

“now jesus i toldja just stay up there dyin’ on that cross and keep yer friggin hippie ass mouth shut”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:59:52pm

re: #322 Anymouse 🌹

The law (actually a court decision) concerns children who are unaccompanied being taken into federal custody.

What the maladministration has done is interpreted that court order to mean they can’t prove any of the children are “really” with their parents or other family members, so they have declared “none of them are.”

With that justification, they are then taking all children.

aha!

mucho thx!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:00:20pm

The Bible prohibits adultery too. It’s even of the commandments but that didn’t stop Jeff from trying to get Trump elected. Remind me why we should let people use their “religious beliefs “ as a license to discriminate against people.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:00:25pm

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Illegal entry” into the United States is not a crime, it is a civil offence. The penalty is deportation.

The illegal entry is a crime canard is another conservative lie.

What is a crime is bypassing a customs house to avoid making customs declarations. That is a felony.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:00:29pm

re: #319 Anymouse 🌹

Apparently Senator Feinstein’s bill just won’t do (it was filed by a Democrat).

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I’m calling it right now. Bill doesn’t make it through the House and Ryan will be all like: “Well, we tried.”

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:00:35pm

re: #318 steve_davis

you want depressing but beautiful? Try “Alone Again, Naturally.”

They could make an album of 70s pop tunes and call it ‘Music to have a Good Cry to.’

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:02:56pm

re: #320 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

does anybody know what this “democrat law” is supposed to be that is “compelling” the trompe administration to rip children from the arms of their parents?

No because it doesn’t exist.

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:02:59pm

re: #327 Anymouse 🌹

“Illegal entry” into the United States is not a crime, it is a civil offence. The penalty is deportation.

The illegal entry is a crime canard is another conservative lie.

What is a crime is bypassing a customs house to avoid making customs declarations. That is a felony.

Perhaps, though, it should be a crime. That way, at the very least, those accused of such would get the protections of Article III courts and have the right to counsel, rather than the shit show of administrative proceedings they get now.

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steve_davis  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:03:24pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Damn. Cat’s eyes are singing “you’ll never find, as long as you live, someone to love you as tender….as I do.”

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:03:58pm

re: #319 Anymouse 🌹

Apparently Senator Feinstein’s bill just won’t do (it was filed by a Democrat).

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My guess is that the Republican bill is much like the “counter bills” filed after Dem bills get rejected: Massively watered down, effectively a band-aid on the issue rather than a cure, and something that Trump can easily overcome so that apologists like Ryan can simply shrug their shoulders and mumble “We tried.”

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:04:00pm

re: #290 dangerman

asylum seekers at the border have not entered illegally

if we do let them cross, we have, in fact given them certain rights they didnt have before. and they did not cross illegally. we let them come in to have their asylum case adjudicated

is he really that stupid?

All I know is he is really that evil.

As is Trump.

And the family…so no excuse for “Doe Eyes” Ivanka.

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BadgerB  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:04:29pm

Exodus 22:21 (New Living Translation)
“You must not mistreat or oppress foreigners in any way. Remember, you yourselves were once foreigners in the land of Egypt.

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steve_davis  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:04:41pm

re: #222 makeitstop

I believe you have to consent to a conscience-ectomy to work in this administration.

Besides - she’s a Huckabee. The only conscience in that family belonged to the dog the one kid killed.

was that the dog in that infamous picture that was looking up like, “One of you will betray me”?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:04:52pm

re: #332 KGxvi

Perhaps, though, it should be a crime. That way, at the very least, those accused of such would get the protections of Article III courts and have the right to counsel, rather than the shit show of administrative proceedings they get now.

Very few nations make it a crime because crimes generally come with jail time if you’re convicted. It is much cheaper to deport someone.

Asylum claims are not crimes and a court hearing is part of an asylum claim.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:05:22pm

just finished “The Shoes of the Fisherman”

Though i speak with the tongues of men, and of angels and have not charity i am become a sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal.

Though i have all faith so that i could remove mountains and have not charity i am nothing.

from the google, looks like 1 Corinthians 13:2 or so

in the movie he (the new pope) give away all the church’s money and property to stave off a famine and asian war

still charity works just fine wrt to how we treat those seeking a better life here
and more specificially to taking children from their parents

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:08:03pm

re: #305 Patricia Kayden

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:08:56pm

re: #338 Anymouse 🌹

Very few nations make it a crime because crimes generally come with jail time if you’re convicted. It is much cheaper to deport someone.

Asylum claims are not crimes and a court hearing is part of an asylum claim.

The immigration courts are one of those areas of administrative law that I really don’t like. I’m honestly ok with most administrative agencies having quasi-judicial proceedings. But on immigration, those decisions really should be in Article III courts and they should include full due process, including the right to counsel.

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:09:21pm

re: #319 Anymouse 🌹

Apparently Senator Feinstein’s bill just won’t do (it was filed by a Democrat).

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Well, shameful as most Republican legislation is: this piece seem to be reporting on a Republican-“led” “draft bill” in the House (vs. Feinstein’s efforts in the Senate, which have, AFAIK, garnered 40 Democratic co-sponsors and ZERO Republicans), so apples and oranges….

But apple or orange, the fruit is probably going either sour, or toxic, or both. It’s highly unlikely, IMO, that any Republican-created “immigration bill” is going to amount to anything more than a cynical charade: carefully crafted to seem to address “concerns” over separating families at the border (and maybe even actually doing something about it) but also probably loaded with other punitive-verging-on-inhumane provisions designed to make asylum-seekers’ conditions even worse. Which will course, cause the bill to fail, so the GOP can blame Democrats….

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:09:27pm

Tent City. Y’all remember that?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:10:48pm

re: #343 Dave In Austin

Tent City. Y’all remember that?

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I do. El Paso outside in the dead of summer. Watch SHS spin it as being like a summer camp tho.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:11:35pm

re: #343 Dave In Austin

Tent City. Y’all remember that?

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They are going to let the kids go camping; cool!///

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:13:02pm

re: #314 MsJ

MsJoanne
@MsJoanne
Her brother tortured and killed animals. She is not from a family that understands or appreciates any kind of empathy. They are all, every last one, sociopaths; psychopaths more likely.

5:50 PM - Jun 14, 2018

You could use the newer and more accepted term: antisocial personality disorder.

Wiki - Antisocial personality disorder

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:13:19pm

re: #345 Big Beautiful Door

They are going to let the kids go camping; cool!///

The kids call me Tio Donald, it’s true, not a lot of people are saying this but I run the best summer camp ever!

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:13:21pm

If Says Who wasn’t such an arrogant prick, I might start to feel a little sorry for him about now.

But…nah. I hope they roast that son of a bitch.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:13:56pm

re: #342 Jay C

Well, shameful as most Republican legislation is: this piece seem to be reporting on a Republican-“led” “draft bill” in the House (vs. Feinstein’s efforts in the Senate, which have, AFAIK, garnered 40 Democratic co-sponsors and ZERO Republicans), so apples and oranges….

But apple or orange, the fruit is probably going either sour, or toxic, or both. It’s highly unlikely, IMO, that any Republican-created “immigration bill” is going to amount to anything more than a cynical charade: carefully crafted to seem to address “concerns” over separating families at the border (and maybe even actually doing something about it) but also probably loaded with other punitive-verging-on-inhumane provisions designed to make asylum-seekers’ conditions even worse. Which will course, cause the bill to fail, so the GOP can blame Democrats….

That or it will be an “advisory” bill, ie tell the DOJ and DHS this shit is wrong, BUT will not actually carry any penalties for continuing to do so. And will charge one agency or another with ensuring that it’s not happening, but leave it as either an unfunded mandate or draw the funding from something that Democrats support in order to ward off votes/punish Democrats for speaking up in support of “illegals.”

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:14:33pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:15:07pm

re: #346 ObserverArt

You could use the newer and more accepted term: antisocial personality disorder.

Wiki - Antisocial personality disorder

also known as “the conservative agenda” or “trump’s nationalist policies”

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:15:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:16:24pm

re: #327 Anymouse 🌹

“Illegal entry” into the United States is not a crime, it is a civil offence. The penalty is deportation.

The illegal entry is a crime canard is another conservative lie.

What is a crime is bypassing a customs house to avoid making customs declarations. That is a felony.

Those were Jeff Sessions’ words in the first tweet.
The rest of the thread was a history lesson about how the Bible verses in Romans have been misused over and over again.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:16:30pm

re: #168 JordanRules

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Everybody in Canada speaks the same language as us. They watch our movies and TV shows, listen to our radio.

Can we take it?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:16:55pm

re: #351 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

also known as “the conservative agenda” or “trump’s nationalist policies”

They’ve been calling liberalism a mental disorder for years. No conservatism isn’t a mental disorder. It just means you’re likely a shit person who supports shit policy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:17:01pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:17:34pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:18:48pm

re: #356 Anymouse 🌹

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He hated HRC a lot. Obama made a mistake making him FBI Director. I know his subordinates liked him but Comey has his own problems sans Trump.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:18:48pm

re: #346 ObserverArt

You could use the newer and more accepted term: antisocial personality disorder.

Wiki - Antisocial personality disorder

Add in Old Fart Fuckabee’s lack of remorse when he let Wayne Dumond and Maurice Clemmons out of jail so they could kill again.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:19:18pm

re: #357 Patricia Kayden

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Great actor and he’s right on.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:19:26pm

re: #356 Anymouse 🌹

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So again, what we have is Comey seeing it as his “duty” to inform Congress about the Clinton emails in order to get the jump on the FBI NY office “leaking” such to the press, knowing that letter would leak from Congress to the press. BUT he could not tell the press that Russia was helping Trump get elected because he feared accusations that the FBI was playing politics.

The man truly is a putz.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:20:22pm

re: #354 sagehen

Everybody in Canada speaks the same language as us. They watch our movies and TV shows, listen to our radio.

Can we take it?

Lots of people in Texas, Arizona and Southern California speak “Mexican”. Does that mean they can take it?

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:20:54pm

re: #330 Big Beautiful Door

Here is an Ohio conservative who is going to vote Democratic because he fears for our democracy.

For an Ohioan conservative from Cincinnati, that is a bold stance. I hope he sticks to it and uses it to change some other minds.

Cincinnati is the conservative city compared to Columbus and Cleveland, the big Three C.

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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:21:43pm

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Can I just say that I don’t give a rat’s ass what the bible says when it comes to the law (or anything else, for that matter.) If that’s the best argument they can come up with, they should give it up or move to a country where the “holy book” is the basis for law. What a crock o’shit.

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:23:13pm

re: #364 BeachDem

If that’s the best argument they can come up with, they should give it up or move to a country where the “holy book” is the basis for law

I hear Saudi Arabia is nice this time of year……

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:23:55pm

re: #364 BeachDem

Can I just say that I don’t give a rat’s ass what the bible says when it comes to the law (or anything else, for that matter.) If that’s the best argument they can come up with, they should give it up or move to a country where the “holy book” is the basis for law. What a crock o’shit.

Totally. And besides they’ve not broken any laws. They’re asylum seekers. SHS should really shut up.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:24:00pm

re: #323 KGxvi

so Sessions really is a Confederate?

Sessions really is an asshole. It’s what drives him.

ICC. The Hague. Now.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:24:11pm

re: #365 Jay C

I hear Saudi Arabia is nice this time of year……

Sarah could use a tan.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:25:15pm

re: #346 ObserverArt

You could use the newer and more accepted term: antisocial personality disorder.

Wiki - Antisocial personality disorder

That fits.

I’m just gonna go with Criminals from now on.

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:25:21pm

re: #368 HappyWarrior

Sarah could use a tan.

Not sure she’d get one in Saudi Arabia, though

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:25:41pm

re: #351 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

also known as “the conservative agenda” or “trump’s nationalist policies”

It’s in the Republican party platform.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:26:11pm

re: #370 KGxvi

Not sure she’d get one in Saudi Arabia, though

I know :)

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:27:04pm

The crowd who insists “It’s Biblical to follow the law” is the same one that engages in screaming fits about “SHARIA LAW!!!” It’s obvious their fear is not over religious laws, but rather the book on which those laws will be based.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:27:08pm

Yeah, I know, it’s Schindler. But he’s got a point.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:28:12pm

re: #364 BeachDem

Can I just say that I don’t give a rat’s ass what the bible says when it comes to the law (or anything else, for that matter.) If that’s the best argument they can come up with, they should give it up or move to a country where the “holy book” is the basis for law. What a crock o’shit.

!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:28:27pm

re: #364 BeachDem

Can I just say that I don’t give a rat’s ass what the bible says when it comes to the law (or anything else, for that matter.) If that’s the best argument they can come up with, they should give it up or move to a country where the “holy book” is the basis for law. What a crock o’shit.

Dominionists have been working on this since Ronald Reagan. There are a whole bunch embedded in Congress and the maladministration now.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:29:00pm

re: #373 Targetpractice

The crowd who insists “It’s Biblical to follow the law” is the same one that engages in screaming fits about “SHARIA LAW!!!” It’s obvious their fear is not over religious laws, but rather the book on which those laws will be based.

always was

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:29:23pm

re: #354 sagehen

Everybody in Canada speaks the same language as us. They watch our movies and TV shows, listen to our radio.

Can we take it?

Heh, I was wondering since there are so many that speak Spanish in areas that were originally Mexico, can Mexico take it back?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:29:42pm

re: #374 makeitstop

Yeah, I know, it’s Schindler. But he’s got a point.

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I believe Jodl and Keitel attempted to salute Ike when Germany surrendered. Ike who had witnessed the camps had no desire to do so.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:30:11pm

re: #377 dangerman

always was

And always will be.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:31:53pm

I have a question.

I have broken out in a rash that’s spreading every day. It started about a week and a half ago with a couple of hives on my thigh.

I started taking 2 Benadryl at night. Nothing. Still itches and spread.

After a week, it was on the one leg from thigh to ankle.

I went to the walk in clinic. Got prescription strength zertec and cream. Nothing. That was 2 days ago.

Now it’s spread to my elbows.

Tomorrow I’m going to the doctor.

My question: I’m getting calamine lotion. Can you slather it in with your hands or do you have to dab it on with a cotton ball!

I need help!!!!

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:32:57pm

re: #374 makeitstop

Yeah, I know, it’s Schindler. But he’s got a point.

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And he taught at the War College. I’d expect he’d know.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:33:10pm

re: #354 sagehen

Everybody in Canada speaks the same language as us. They watch our movies and TV shows, listen to our radio

Not according to Teabaggers who hate anyone speaking that evil French language!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:34:00pm

re: #374 makeitstop

Until Ronald Reagan, the President never saluted military personnel. The salute to the President from military personnel is the reminder that the military is subservient to the civilian government.

No US President ever to my knowledge saluted a foreign military person until Trump’s stunt in North Korea.

The conservative spin on this is staggering.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:34:13pm

re: #383 Joe Bacon 🌹

Not according to Teabaggers who hate anyone speaking that evil French language!

Je Suis Right Wing Douches

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:34:25pm

Ronna ‘clarifies.’

While she did not retract the comment, McDaniel said Thursday in a follow up tweet that her comments “didn’t translate well” on Twitter, which has a 280-character limit.

McDaniel’s tweet was extracted and slightly reworded from her interview Tuesday with Fox Business Network’s Lou Dobbs.

“We have got a lot more to do, and we cannot risk losing that in these midterms,” McDaniel told Dobbs. “So, complacency is going to be our enemy, and anyone who doesn’t embrace the Trump agenda and doesn’t recognize the issues that propelled us to victory in the White House is going to be making a mistake.”

Sounds like the exact same threat to me. My ‘Fuck you, fascist’ stands.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:34:27pm

re: #381 MsJ

I have a question.

I have broken out in a rash that’s spreading every day. It started about a week and a half ago with a couple of hives on my thigh.

I started taking 2 Benadryl at night. Nothing. Still itches and spread.

After a week, it was on the one leg from thigh to ankle.

I went to the walk in clinic. Got prescription strength zertec and cream. Nothing. That was 2 days ago.

Now it’s spread to my elbows.

Tomorrow I’m going to the doctor.

My question: I’m getting calamine lotion. Can you slather it in with your hands or do you have to dab it on with a cotton ball!

I need help!!!!

I’ve always just used my hands.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:35:26pm

re: #384 Anymouse 🌹

Until Ronald Reagan, the President never saluted military personnel. The salute to the President from military personnel is the reminder that the military is subservient to the civilian government.

No US President ever to my knowledge saluted a foreign military person until Trump’s stunt in North Korea.

The conservative spin on this is staggering.

Yeah it’s odd and you know KJU’s propaganda caught it.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:35:42pm

re: #386 makeitstop

Ronna ‘clarifies.’

Sounds like the exact same threat to me. My ‘Fuck you, fascist’ stands.

‘the twitter format made me do it’

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:35:50pm

re: #381 MsJ

I have a question.

I have broken out in a rash that’s spreading every day. It started about a week and a half ago with a couple of hives on my thigh.

I started taking 2 Benadryl at night. Nothing. Still itches and spread.

After a week, it was on the one leg from thigh to ankle.

I went to the walk in clinic. Got prescription strength zertec and cream. Nothing. That was 2 days ago.

Now it’s spread to my elbows.

Tomorrow I’m going to the doctor.

My question: I’m getting calamine lotion. Can you slather it in with your hands or do you have to dab it on with a cotton ball!

I need help!!!!

Yeah, sounds like this is more than just an allergy attack. TBH, when it comes to the calamine, “slathering” in this case sounds like the better option. Just wash your hands after.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:35:52pm

re: #381 MsJ

You can put calamine lotion on with your hands, but if this rash is being spread by touch, you might want to use a cotton ball or a glove instead.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:37:19pm

re: #369 MsJ

That fits.

I’m just gonna go with Criminals from now on.

That works too. Criminals are anti-social by nature are they not?

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:38:30pm

re: #304 goddamnedfrank

It’s been a very shady day.

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remember those good times when Flynn coined that republican talking point in 2016: “If anyone but Hillary Clinton did this, they’d be in jail!”?

apparently lots of people did this
who but clinton has suffered any consequences?

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:38:37pm

re: #386 makeitstop

Ronna ‘clarifies.’

Sounds like the exact same threat to me. My ‘Fuck you, fascist’ stands.

Really. What propelled you to an electoral college victory was a hostile foreign nation.

Fuck you, you fascist cunt.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:38:52pm

re: #387 Skip Intro

I’ve always just used my hands.

Thank you!!!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:39:11pm

From our own Chrysi Cat:

If they extended this logic by a generation or two, it would result in a sizable part of the West Texas Trumpite/conservative population being deported back to Germany. The area was settled largely by German immigrants who arrived around the turn of the 20th century, a very different group from the earlier waves of German immigrants who had settled the Hill Country 50 years earlier. The latter included a broad cross section of professions and social status, with many dissidents who were refugees from the failed revolution of 1848. The later arrivals were mostly lower middle class rural folk who were attracted by an enormous land sales scheme that was all the rage in Germany in the 1890s and early 1900s. They brought their own ready made version of Texan culture, derived from the writings of Karl May. May was a best selling author of western novels. He did not set foot in the United States until 1912, long after he had sold millions of copies of his westerns. He was a favorite of Wernher von Braun among many others. Decades later, after he had seen a lot of the American west in person, von Braun commented on how little resemblance it bore to May’s version.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:39:26pm

re: #393 dangerman

remember those good times when Flynn coined that republican talking point in 2016: “If anyone but Hillary Clinton did this, they’d be in jail!”?

apparently lots of people did this
who but clinton has suffered any consequences?

None of them. Trump continues to tweet bullshit from his unsecured phone.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:39:43pm

re: #373 Targetpractice

The crowd who insists “It’s Biblical to follow the law” is the same one that engages in screaming fits about “SHARIA LAW!!!” It’s obvious their fear is not over religious laws, but rather the book on which those laws will be based.

And here we were earlier discussing wars with religion as a driving factor.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:40:09pm

re: #199 ObserverArt

A smart man will probably reject doing something like grifting and conning. They would see it as below them and below the use of their intelligence. Morals and high standards would get in the way.

A man that isn’t all that smart will not have any filters and will sometimes do what is necessary to get by.

re: #217 danarchy

re: #367 MsJ

Sessions really is an asshole. It’s what drives him.

ICC. The Hague. Now.

He certainly appears to be endorsing Confederate positions, but he never would be able to get away with this without the active support of the President and the willful apathy of the GOP.

I agree with Danarchy that there is no relationship between intelligence and morals. Jeff Sessions, Ben Sasse, and many Republicans in the House and Senate are examples. An intelligent person may not engage in the petty grifting or criminality of those who are not bright; think of Ken Lay, Bernie Madoff, Rick Scott — all committed financial crimes on a much grander level. The Nazis running Germany were often educated and cultured; that didn’t prevent them from the darkest evil. The current administration is a prime illustration.

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:41:02pm

re: #391 Anymouse 🌹

You can put calamine lotion on with your hands, but if this rash is being spread by touch, you might want to use a cotton ball or a glove instead.

I’m wearing long pants 24/7. I’ll wash my hands after.

But God, the itching. And I don’t wash my hands after having a good scratch. I didn’t even think about it.

GAH!

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:41:15pm

re: #394 MsJ

Really. What propelled you to an electoral college victory was a hostile foreign nation.

Fuck you, you fascist cunt.

i dont know… you used that word and it might sidetrack the entire conversation

….fascist

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:41:58pm

re: #381 MsJ

I have a question.

I have broken out in a rash that’s spreading every day. It started about a week and a half ago with a couple of hives on my thigh.

I started taking 2 Benadryl at night. Nothing. Still itches and spread.

After a week, it was on the one leg from thigh to ankle.

I went to the walk in clinic. Got prescription strength zertec and cream. Nothing. That was 2 days ago.

Now it’s spread to my elbows.

Tomorrow I’m going to the doctor.

My question: I’m getting calamine lotion. Can you slather it in with your hands or do you have to dab it on with a cotton ball!

I need help!!!!

I wound up with a lot of breakouts. Dermatologist ran tests and prescribed Clobex spray.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:42:27pm

re: #400 MsJ

It almost sounds like you touched some poison oak/poison ivy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:43:49pm

re: #401 dangerman

i dont know… you used that word and it might sidetrack the entire conversation

….fascist

Well, calling them racists or fascists is why Trump won. - Maggie Haberman, probably.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:44:37pm

re: #400 MsJ

Hope you get better soon and the Doctor figure out how to help you. My cousin had excema and I felt so sorry for her with all the itching and blotchy skin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:46:45pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:47:24pm

Few voice support after House GOP releases 293-page DACA bill (The Hill)

Basically, all the factions of the GOP caucus have different excuses why they can’t vote for this bill.

“Whelp, we tried, but you know, A B and C are all preventing passage.”

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:48:08pm

re: #403 Skip Intro

It almost sounds like you touched some poison oak/poison ivy.

As I am at two with nature, my immediate thought says no. But, I did go to Mackinaw City Michigan about 4 days before this started. So, while I don’t think I personally came in contact with anything like a plant, I might have come in contact with something that someone touched or something like that.

I googled pics of all three (ivy, oak, sumac) and it looks different.

I’m at a loss. No different foods, or anything I can think of, that would crate this.

Shoot. Me. Now.

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TedStriker  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:49:01pm

re: #318 steve_davis

you want depressing but beautiful? Try “Alone Again, Naturally.”

I agree.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:49:05pm

re: #403 Skip Intro

It almost sounds like you touched some poison oak/poison ivy.

Makes sense to me. I don’t know what else would cause that slow spread. Though over 10 years ago, my mother had an allergic reaction to some medication and the longer she was on it, the more it spread.

re: #400 MsJ

Hope the doctor can resolve this quickly.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:49:53pm

Hate to break it to y’all but Starlord sucks.

Archived it to the wayback machine just in case he deletes it.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:49:54pm

re: #381 MsJ

I have a question.

I have broken out in a rash that’s spreading every day. It started about a week and a half ago with a couple of hives on my thigh.

I started taking 2 Benadryl at night. Nothing. Still itches and spread.

After a week, it was on the one leg from thigh to ankle.

I went to the walk in clinic. Got prescription strength zertec and cream. Nothing. That was 2 days ago.

Now it’s spread to my elbows.

Tomorrow I’m going to the doctor.

My question: I’m getting calamine lotion. Can you slather it in with your hands or do you have to dab it on with a cotton ball!

I need help!!!!

If it is Poisin Ivy/Oak/Sumac I wouldn’t touch it directly. Use the cotton ball as an applicator and then be sure to toss it away in something like a sandwich bag so no one else gets in contact with any oils that might be seeping.

It almost sounds a bit like Sumac. A brother had a big outbreak of it when he was clearing out “brush” from the back of his property he had just purchased. It seemed to spread on it’s own and he broke out just about everywhere over a day or so. The worst was it seemed to hit him where ever he sweat. You can just imagine.

And like all allergies, there are degrees to how hit hits any one individual.

I hope you can over it fast. Take care.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:51:13pm

re: #408 MsJ

I got rashes from poison oak many times in my youth and I can tell you they were all absolutely miserable, itching like crazy. Scratch and you spread it. You can also pick it up from a dog or cat who got it on their coat.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:51:20pm

re: #409 TedStriker

I agree.

Anita Bryant’s cover was even more depressing!

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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:51:25pm

Glad. I shut down the desktop. Wicked thunder boomers then zap—power goes out. And I still need to vacuum before company comes tomorrow. Bummer.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:52:53pm

re: #384 Anymouse 🌹

Until Ronald Reagan, the President never saluted military personnel. The salute to the President from military personnel is the reminder that the military is subservient to the civilian government.

No US President ever to my knowledge saluted a foreign military person until Trump’s stunt in North Korea.

The conservative spin on this is staggering.

I wonder how this is going over in the minds of many an elder conservative ex-military person?

Just like the immigration thing may be a step way too far for conservative women, this might be too much for former military that spent a part of their lives under the cold war thinking.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:56:47pm

re: #415 BeachDem

Glad. I shut down the desktop. Wicked thunder boomers then zap—power goes out. And I still need to vacuum before company comes tomorrow. Bummer.

I cannot wait for weather!

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b.d. (I Really Care..Do U?)  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:57:10pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:57:36pm

re: #416 ObserverArt

I wonder how this is going over in the minds of many an elder conservative ex-military person?

Just like the immigration thing may be a step way too far for conservative women, this might be too much for former military that spent a part of their lives under the cold war thinking.

Are there any conservative women, except for never-Trumpers, who have expressed any objection to this absolutely horrendous treatment of children? As far as I can tell, they don’t care. Or do you have a counter-example?

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:58:14pm

re: #419 Hecuba’s daughter

Not one.

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:58:17pm

re: #407 Anymouse 🌹

Few voice support after House GOP releases 293-page DACA bill (The Hill)

Basically, all the factions of the GOP caucus have different excuses why they can’t vote for this bill.

“Whelp, we tried, but you know, A B and C are all preventing passage.”

GOP drags feet for months on bill by claiming that they have “plenty of time” to fix the problem, run down the clock until time expires, makes excuses about why the issue being in the courts means there’s no rush, and now are going to kill the bill on the grounds that there’s too much opposition to pass it.

BUT we can’t let the Dems win back the House because then the government will grind to a halt. Oh, and the Dreaded Pelosi will become Speaker again.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:58:40pm

re: #407 Anymouse 🌹

What a Dumpster fire in The Hill’s comment section.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:01:06pm

Burn by Acosta

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:03:46pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:04:32pm

re: #419 Hecuba’s daughter

Are there any conservative women, except for never-Trumpers, who have expressed any objection to this absolutely horrendous treatment of children? As far as I can tell, they don’t care. Or do you have a counter-example?

Haven’t heard a peep from Kim Davis!

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Targetpractice  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:06:02pm

On second thought, reading through this DACA bill, particularly since it has Stephen “Dead Eyes” Miller’s fingerprints all over it, it’s pretty obvious this is totally just an election-year stunt to help butch up those “moderates” who need to show they’re “strong” on immigration. This bit in particular:

A trigger mechanism that would withhold permanent residency for DACA recipients in any year that Congress denies funding for the border wall — a system designed to ensure wall funding even if the next president is opposed to it.

Makes this bill an absolute farce, holding Dreamers hostage to the whims of a fanatical regime who demands a monument to their ignorance and ego. And reminder that the GOP just voted to cut billions from CHIP last week in the name of “fiscal conservatism,” only to earmark $16.6 BILLION to this fucking abomination.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:08:49pm

re: #399 Hecuba’s daughter

He certainly appears to be endorsing Confederate positions, but he never would be able to get away with this without the active support of the President and the willful apathy of the GOP.

I agree with Danarchy that there is no relationship between intelligence and morals. Jeff Sessions, Ben Sasse, and many Republicans in the House and Senate are examples. An intelligent person may not engage in the petty grifting or criminality of those who are not bright; think of Ken Lay, Bernie Madoff, Rick Scott — all committed financial crimes on a much grander level. The Nazis running Germany were often educated and cultured; that didn’t prevent them from the darkest evil. The current administration is a prime illustration.

And how smart was all that ultimately?

How did many of them end up?

Is it not smarter and a better use of intelligence to actually be moral and do the right thing if you have the mind to make decisions?

And since we have also been talking about anti-social behaviors…maybe mental behaviors overweight intelligence and cause them to do bad/stupid.

Not much more I can say. And I do understand all of the comments. I guess I don’t make my point.

I tend to look at the results of an action as to how smart that action was.

If you end up bankrupt, jailed, hated, dead, etc. I don’t think the individual was all that smart.

Your Trump example is a good. One. He got to the White House. If he gets thrown out will you judge him differently?

And I am done of the subject. Heading to ‘dead horse’ territory from my end.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:09:06pm

re: #426 Targetpractice

The dog knows how many lawsuits involving eminent domain will take at least a decade to settle. There are still to this day hundreds of eminent domain lawsuits pending from Bush’s border fence act in 2006. The wall will never, ever be built.

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prairiefire  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:09:11pm

The people over at RedState are sooo confused! Is Trimp brilliant, is he horrendous, fecking jellyfish of human beings.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:10:32pm

re: #400 MsJ

I’m wearing long pants 24/7. I’ll wash my hands after.

But God, the itching. And I don’t wash my hands after having a good scratch. I didn’t even think about it.

GAH!

The long pants may spread it too. Yeah, it’s a fight. SO many ways to help spread it.

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:11:48pm

re: #421 Targetpractice

GOP drags feet for months on bill by claiming that they have “plenty of time” to fix the problem, run down the clock until time expires, makes excuses about why the issue being in the courts means there’s no rush, and now are going to kill the bill on the grounds that there’s too much opposition to pass it.

BUT we can’t let the Dems win back the House because then the government will grind to a halt. Oh, and the Dreaded Pelosi will become Speaker again.

If the government does “grind to a halt” in the next Congress, it’s unlikely to be the doing of Democrats: in Congress, anyway: Minority Leaders Pelosi in the House and Schumer in the Senate have done a fairly good job of keeping their caucuses in line: its hard to imagine either of them letting legislating get too out of hand (though Republican obstructionism, especially in the Senate, is likely to get dialed up to MAX - but a disciplined party bloc can mitigate that somewhat: AND: unlike this election, in 2020, I think a boatload of GOPers are up for reelection).
Myself, I think that in the (otherwise-)happy circumstance of a Dem-controlled 116th Congress, the BIG (can we say YUUUUGE!) problem is going to be coming from another of the Branches. Trump is incompetent to be barely able to govern as it is, with a cooperative Congress: how well [SPOILER: not at all] is he going to deal with a coherent Opposition?

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:17:10pm

If anyone wants to play internet doctor, here is a pic of rash.

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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:17:27pm

re: #400 MsJ

I’m wearing long pants 24/7. I’ll wash my hands after.

But God, the itching. And I don’t wash my hands after having a good scratch. I didn’t even think about it.

GAH!

If they still make them domeboro or blueboro powder. Goes in a bath so you can soak or make compresses. The only thing that relieved shingles for me many years ago. Yay power just came back on. Guess I need vacuum now.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:17:52pm

re: #419 Hecuba’s daughter

Are there any conservative women, except for never-Trumpers, who have expressed any objection to this absolutely horrendous treatment of children? As far as I can tell, they don’t care. Or do you have a counter-example?

Deleted. I missed “never Trumper”.

Sorry for being positive once again. My fault.

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:18:03pm

re: #426 Targetpractice

a system designed to ensure wall funding even if the next president is opposed to it.

They apparently aren’t smart enough to realize that a new president and a new Congress can just repeal that clause…

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:19:39pm

re: #434 ObserverArt

Off the top of my head…Jennifer Rubin. Nicole Wallace. Ana Navarro.

And those are easy and public. I do not get to talk politics with all the Republican women in America. But I do hope some have hearts.

I don’t see everything as cut and dried. So, no I do not see every Republican woman as a cold-hearted monster. Sorry.

Those women are all never Trumpers; so they actually care about people.

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geosherman  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:19:47pm

re: #395 MsJ

If Poison Oak or Sumac…
If you can find the clothes you wore that day - wash them!
Hot Hot showers can provide temporary relief from the scratching. Do not burn your skin but use the hottest water you can tolerate on the affected areas.
Scratching does not spread this kind of rash but could lead to infection. Poison Oak, Ivy & Sumac have an oil in them that causes your body to have a crazy response.
Good Luck!

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:22:31pm

re: #436 Hecuba’s daughter

Those women are all never Trumpers; so they actually care about people.

I deleted my comment based on that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:25:05pm

re: #432 MsJ

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440
goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:27:26pm
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freetoken  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:28:35pm

Something that should garner more headlines that it has:

Antarctica’s ice sheet is melting 3 times faster than before

Put simply:

Antarctica is melting, especially West Antarctica. This is expected.

The melting is accelerating. This is likely to increase.

It’s not going to stop and will even melt more, faster, as we continue to raise the surface temp of the Earth. This is expected.

But having a summary of the data is always a good thing.

Still, most people are in denial.

442
Varek Raith  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:30:39pm

Holy fucking shit we’re building internment camps again.
Fuck this country.
FFS.

443
mmmirele  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:33:18pm

Today is the 75th anniversary of West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette. In that case, the Supreme Court ruled schoolchildren cannot be forced to pledge allegiance to the flag. It was deliberately released on Flag Day in 1943.

If I was able to get a tattoo (the dreaded diabeetus and tattoos don’t mix), I’d get the following tattooed on my body. It’s from the majority opinion written by Justice Robert Jackson. I think it resonates even today, as the US Attorney General and Trump’s press secretary tries to force a religious orthodoxy on us.

If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us.

en.wikipedia.org

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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:34:46pm

So Sarah Huckaliar says that the yam was returning a salute—in the photo, the guy has his hand out to shake the yam’s (tiny) hand. Any earlier photos where he was saluting? (Putting aside her bullshit about it being customary in the first place.)

Now that I have power back and can type more, just wanted to say that the Philip Bump article yesterday about how the media should not just quote yam idiocy in headlines and tweets is evergreen, and I wish every media moron would read it.

Why untrue tweets from trump shouldn’t be unchallenged in headlines

washingtonpost.com

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:35:12pm

re: #441 freetoken

Something that should garner more headlines that it has:

Antarctica’s ice sheet is melting 3 times faster than before

Put simply:

Antarctica is melting, especially West Antarctica. This is expected.

The melting is accelerating. This is likely to increase.

It’s not going to stop and will even melt more, faster, as we continue to raise the surface temp of the Earth. This is expected.

But having a summary of the data is always a good thing.

Still, most people are in denial.

To and fro, I get this sense that this may be the last remotely normal summer we’ll experience in a while :(

446
KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:35:44pm

re: #441 freetoken

Something that should garner more headlines that it has:

Antarctica’s ice sheet is melting 3 times faster than before

Put simply:

Antarctica is melting, especially West Antarctica. This is expected.

The melting is accelerating. This is likely to increase.

It’s not going to stop and will even melt more, faster, as we continue to raise the surface temp of the Earth. This is expected.

But having a summary of the data is always a good thing.

Still, most people are in denial.

I’m going to put this in the category of “I’ve seen science fiction that starts this way and it always turns out bad.”

In all seriousness, though, what kind of sea level rise are we looking at? Should I be more than four blocks from the beach?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:36:46pm

A poem I first saw earlier today, written in 2007 during the Bush era; inspired by a poem of Kahlil Gibran: The author is now 99 years old. Seems especially apt in the time of Trump.

“Pity the Nation…” Lawrence Ferlinghetti

“Pity the nation whose people are sheep,
and whose shepherds mislead them.
Pity the nation whose leaders are liars, whose sages are silenced,
and whose bigots haunt the airwaves.
Pity the nation that raises not its voice,
except to praise conquerors and acclaim the bully as hero
and aims to rule the world with force and by torture.
Pity the nation that knows no other language but its own
and no other culture but its own.
Pity the nation whose breath is money
and sleeps the sleep of the too well fed.
Pity the nation — oh, pity the people who allow their rights to erode
and their freedoms to be washed away.
My country, tears of thee, sweet land of liberty.”
― Lawrence Ferlinghetti

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:36:53pm

re: #444 BeachDem

So Sarah Huckaliar says that the yam was returning a salute—in the photo, the guy has his hand out to shake the yam’s (tiny) hand. Any earlier photos where he was saluting? (Putting aside her bullshit about it being customary in the first place.)

Now that I have power back and can type more, just wanted to say that the Philip Bump article yesterday about how the media should not just quote yam idiocy in headlines and tweets is evergreen, and I wish every media moron would read it.

Why untrue tweets from trump shouldn’t be unchallenged in headlines

washingtonpost.com

There’s video. The NK general has his hand out to shake, does a quick salute, then Trump salutes back and then does the handshake. I think someone posted it in the last thread.

449
Teukka  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:38:00pm

re: #446 KGxvi

I’m going to put this in the category of “I’ve seen science fiction that starts this way and it always turns out bad.”

In all seriousness, though, what kind of sea level rise are we looking at? Should I be more than four blocks from the beach?

I don’t think anywhere will be safe :(

450
Jay C  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:38:40pm

re: #432 MsJ

You poor thing! That is one nasty-looking rash!

IIWU, I’d hie off to a dermatologist ASAP: if it is an externally-spread reaction (i.e. like sumac, as others have suggested- which it seems to be) there won;t be lot you can do about it, but at least you may get something stronger to alleviate the itch. But if it is systemic (internal) you want to find out. Right away.

Good luck!

451
Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:39:15pm

re: #432 MsJ

Yeah, this looks and sounds like some kind of plant-based allergic reaction or contact with a poisonous substance. Have you been around any Russian agents lately?

Kidding. But you may need something stronger than Benadryl to stop it.

Reminds me of the time Al Jarreau did a concert in Cancun, and on a day off I went swimming in the ocean, wearing a T-shirt, then sat on the beach hanging out for a couple of hours, still wearing that T-shirt.

Unbeknownst to me, it was the season of something endearingly known as “sea lice” — basically, a massive amount of poisonous jellyfish eggs that wash up near shore, and are nearly impossible to see in the water because they’re tiny and transparent. So I already got poisoned in the water, but then made it MUCH worse by sitting in that T-shirt still in contact with the sea lice caught in it.

The next day I saw a couple of red patches on my side, but didn’t think much of it. Got all the way back to LA before it really kicked in, and then I suddenly broke out over most of my body in the worst rash ever. I had no idea what caused it, and neither did doctors. It was actually scary because it went on for a couple of weeks!

My doctor eventually prescribed some steroid shots (which I hated doing) and those were strong enough to knock it back - but within a couple of days after the shots, it came roaring back again, just as bad.

I finally discovered the probable cause on the Internet. One of the first times I actually found something useful on that brand-new network. Ended up having to basically just wait it out, because I didn’t want to do any more steroids.

Anyway, hope the doctor can diagnose it for you! Gotta be contact with something.

452
ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:40:38pm

re: #439 Backwoods_Sleuth

Breakout…

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453
freetoken  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:42:03pm

re: #446 KGxvi

I’m going to put this in the category of “I’ve seen science fiction that starts this way and it always turns out bad.”

In all seriousness, though, what kind of sea level rise are we looking at? Should I be more than four blocks from the beach?

The basic ideas have not changed. The latest study just summarized data exhaustively.

Given business as usual among humans, by the end of the century the total sea rise since the 19th century will be between a foot and half to 2.5 feet.

Unless there is some sort of collapse that is unpredictable, in the West Antarctic ice shelf (WAIS.)

Then, because we continue to warm the surface of the planet, the ice melt will continue, accelerate at times (not at others), until some new sort of quasi-stable ice sheet is achieved.

Most long term predictions is that the ice will continue to melt throughout the centuries to come.

Business as usual will get us to around 4C warmer world than the 19th century. This will melt most of the polar ice, other than the mountain glaciers in Antarctica and Greenland.

454
Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:43:30pm

455
Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:43:59pm

re: #446 KGxvi

I’m going to put this in the category of “I’ve seen science fiction that starts this way and it always turns out bad.”

In all seriousness, though, what kind of sea level rise are we looking at? Should I be more than four blocks from the beach?

So are we heading toward Kevin Costner’s Waterworld? (Ashamed to admit I actually watched almost the entire movie on TV years ago)

456
jaunte  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:46:34pm
457
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:52:13pm

re: #444 BeachDem

So Sarah Huckaliar says that the yam was returning a salute—in the photo, the guy has his hand out to shake the yam’s (tiny) hand. Any earlier photos where he was saluting? (Putting aside her bullshit about it being customary in the first place.)

Now that I have power back and can type more, just wanted to say that the Philip Bump article yesterday about how the media should not just quote yam idiocy in headlines and tweets is evergreen, and I wish every media moron would read it.

Why untrue tweets from trump shouldn’t be unchallenged in headlines

washingtonpost.com

I posted the video yesterday. The military guy saluted first, then stuck out his hand.

458
Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:04:29pm

re: #457 Backwoods_Sleuth

I posted the video yesterday. The military guy saluted first, then stuck out his hand.

Yes, Sanders wasn’t lying that time, but it was still a diversion from the real issue, which is that Trump should not have been saluting this guy at all. Ever.

459
Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:05:03pm

Canadian citizen held for months after border agents dismiss papers as fake (The Guardian)

Olajide Ogunye, 47, is suing for $10m after eight months in custody despite producing citizenship documents and a government-issued health card

460
MsJ  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:05:58pm

re: #451 Charles Johnson

Yeah, this looks and sounds like some kind of plant-based allergic reaction or contact with a poisonous substance. Have you been around any Russian agents lately?

Kidding. But you may need something stronger than Benadryl to stop it.

Reminds me of the time Al Jarreau did a concert in Cancun, and on a day off I went swimming in the ocean, wearing a T-shirt, then sat on the beach hanging out for a couple of hours, still wearing that T-shirt.

Unbeknownst to me, it was the season of something endearingly known as “sea lice” — basically, a massive amount of poisonous jellyfish eggs that wash up near shore, and are nearly impossible to see in the water because they’re tiny and transparent. So I already got poisoned in the water, but then made it MUCH worse by sitting in that T-shirt still in contact with the sea lice caught in it.

The next day I saw a couple of red patches on my side, but didn’t think much of it. Got all the way back to LA before it really kicked in, and then I suddenly broke out over most of my body in the worst rash ever. I had no idea what caused it, and neither did doctors. It was actually scary because it went on for a couple of weeks!

My doctor eventually prescribed some steroid shots (which I hated doing) and those were strong enough to knock it back - but within a couple of days after the shots, it came roaring back again, just as bad.

I finally discovered the probable cause on the Internet. One of the first times I actually found something useful on that brand-new network. Ended up having to basically just wait it out, because I didn’t want to do any more steroids.

Anyway, hope the doctor can diagnose it for you! Gotta be contact with something.

I got swimmers itch from swimming in Lake Winnebago, Wisconsin when I was 17. This is similar but calamine lotion fixed it. I’m all slathered up and still a little itchy.

GIVE ME THE STEROID SHOT!! I want it NOW!!

461
Ace Rothstein  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:06:13pm

If [insert any president here] had diverted money from a charitable foundation for their own personal use, including to their own campaign, they would’ve been run out of office yesterday.

462
BeachDem  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:07:08pm

Thanks all for the video/explanation about the salute. I must have been dusting when it was posted. I can assure you, that won’t happen again for quite awhile!!

463
Winston_Smith  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:08:33pm

re: #461 Ace Rothstein

If [insert any Democratic president here] had diverted money from a charitable foundation for their own personal use, including to their own campaign, they would’ve been run out of office yesterday.

464
The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:09:20pm

LEVITICUS

19:33. When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not torment him.

19:34. The stranger who sojourns with you shall be as a native from among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am the Lord, your God.

465
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:10:18pm

re: #458 Charles Johnson

Yes, Sanders wasn’t lying that time, but it was still a diversion from the real issue, which is that Trump should not have been saluting this guy at all. Ever.

Actually, she WAS lying because she said it was common courtesy for the yam to return the salute.
No, no, no, no, no, it is not.

466
BeachDem  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:11:55pm

re: #460 MsJ

Domeboro powder

Recommended by doctors for the past 50 years, Domeboro Astringent Solution provides quality-strength relief from itching caused by oak, sumac, poison ivy, mosquito and insect bites, redness and irritation. Simply mix the powder with water to activate the soothing, fast-acting formula.

riteaid.com

467
sagehen  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:12:20pm

re: #431 Jay C

If the government does “grind to a halt” in the next Congress, it’s unlikely to be the doing of Democrats: in Congress, anyway: Minority Leaders Pelosi in the House and Schumer in the Senate have done a fairly good job of keeping their caucuses in line: its hard to imagine either of them letting legislating get too out of hand (though Republican obstructionism, especially in the Senate, is likely to get dialed up to MAX - but a disciplined party bloc can mitigate that somewhat: AND: unlike this election, in 2020, I think a boatload of GOPers are up for reelection).
Myself, I think that in the (otherwise-)happy circumstance of a Dem-controlled 116th Congress, the BIG (can we say YUUUUGE!) problem is going to be coming from another of the Branches. Trump is incompetent to be barely able to govern as it is, with a cooperative Congress: how well [SPOILER: not at all] is he going to deal with a coherent Opposition?

We need a Dem congress to

1) stop Trump from passing any new atrocities masquerading as laws; and
2) to hold the gavel on Oversight Committee, Intelligence Committee, etc.

reminder of my favorite quote from someone on the D-controlled Oversight Committee a few months into 2007:

“So far, every tree we’ve barked up has a cat in it.”

468
Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:12:40pm

Joe Walsh is having more and more stopped clocks. I hate it when that happens

469
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:13:35pm
470
Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:14:01pm

Eastern Colorado and western Nebraska have widespread rain now. Denver has an isolated shower.

Grand Junction and Pueblo radars don’t really show much of anything in the fire danger areas of Colorado.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:18:03pm

READ THIS THREAD

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MsJ  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:18:26pm

re: #466 BeachDem

Domeboro powder

Recommended by doctors for the past 50 years, Domeboro Astringent Solution provides quality-strength relief from itching caused by oak, sumac, poison ivy, mosquito and insect bites, redness and irritation. Simply mix the powder with water to activate the soothing, fast-acting formula.

riteaid.com

I’ve never heard of that before.

I’m going to the doctor in the morning. I’ll go into Michigan and see if they have it.

Thank you!!

(I saw your message earlier but I thought you went vacuuming 😁)

473
sagehen  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:19:30pm

re: #469 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

The only reason he has any idea how corrupt Ukraine is… is because that’s where Paul Manafort worked for years. Right up until the minute Trump hired him.

474
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:20:39pm

thread:

475
Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:23:05pm

re: #468 Dave In Austin

Joe Walsh is having more and more stopped clocks. I hate it when that happens

Don’t worry, it’s temporary.

476
Charles Johnson  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:25:47pm
477
A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:26:41pm

re: #432 MsJ

I had a horrible rash years ago — all over my hands and spreading to my elbows. (Certainly an allergic reaction, went away after exposure ended, took a couple of weeks, never mind.) What stopped the itching for hours at a time was soaking my hands in very hot, very salty water. For about five to ten minutes, with breaks to air-cool my hands (that’s how hot the water had to be).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:27:26pm
479
The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:27:33pm

The Pittsburgh Gazette fired this cartoonist

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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:29:12pm

re: #472 MsJ

I’ve never heard of that before.

I’m going to the doctor in the morning. I’ll go into Michigan and see if they have it.

Thank you!!

(I saw your message earlier but I thought you went vacuuming 😁)

I finished up quickly with the vacuuming. (Now just have to do the swiffering on the hard floors and I’m ready for my company, as long as they don’t look too closely at things.)

Domeboro is old school (I had shingles in 1972). They carry it at Walgreens, WalMart, CVS, Target—looks like most everywhere.

Here’s their site (and a coupon!)

domeboro.com

481
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:31:50pm

Haven’t been hearing much of the “McCarthy was right” bullshit from the RWNJs lately. Hmmm.
Actually, of course, McCarthy was wrong then and he is still wrong today. He was not interested in, or even alleging, subversion by actual foreign agents and he never came close to exposing such. His shtick was a conspiracy theory alleging a widespread cover-up of communist influence in various branches of government. In that respect, it resembles the current “deep state” CT more than it does any of the allegations made against the Trump campaign and various agents of influence.

482
Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:39:50pm

re: #468 Dave In Austin

Joe Walsh is having more and more stopped clocks. I hate it when that happens

I suggest that, with these people, until they announce their break with the GOP and everything they stand for, just post theolir statement, agree with it, and move on.

483
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:40:14pm

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