Breaking: Robert Mueller Will Testify in Open Session, July 17th

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Just announced by Rep. Jerry Nadler:

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:13:09pm

CL’ed from downstairs:

WE ARE HOME!

Actually we got home 5 hours ago but I had to unpack, go shopping, eat dinner, wash the dirty clothes, watch Cody’s Showdy for the entire 1 hr & 10 minutes of Baby Whiplash Destroyin’ and then read that thread and then the other one.

All caught up now!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:13:37pm

Great news. Impeach the bastard.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:14:51pm

Mueller was waiting for them to subpoena him to see how serious they are.

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:15:28pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:15:39pm

I half-expect that Mueller will deliver a nothing burger of some sort. It will be semi-interesting in seeing what sort of brainless pro-Trump crap and Mueller character assassination the Republicans on the committee deliver during their time since they are guaranteed to be loaded and ready.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:16:37pm

re: #5 Feline Fearless Leader

I half-expect that Mueller will deliver a nothing burger of some sort. It will be semi-interesting in seeing what sort of brainless pro-Trump crap and Mueller character assassination the Republicans on the committee deliver during their time since they are guaranteed to be loaded and ready.

Maybe but the public hearing Mueller saying that he did not clear Trump means something imo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:17:04pm
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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:21:00pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nothing is true to these people. Not even “divine” truth. They will mutilate any concept, even ones they supposedly hold sacred, until it accommodates their whims.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:22:39pm

good fucking grief, what on earth is there to even think about, much less decide?

She should never have been arrested in the first place.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:23:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:23:44pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I get what he’s saying but Southern Baptists, Christian conservatives, & LU have all thought him to be a great voice. The issue isn’t just Falwell. It’s his culture and he’s from a sect literally founded to protect slavery.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:24:14pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good fucking grief, what on earth is there to even think about, much less decide?

She should never have been arrested in the first place.

And people wonder why I hate guns.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:24:29pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:25:42pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

Heath Mayo
@HeathMayo
I’m a Southern Baptist evangelical Christian and Falwell Jr. neither embodies my values or even remotely speaks for me.

That this man is held out as a mouthpiece for us really is a shame—for LibertyU, for conservatives, and for Christianity.

I do not understand why more Evangelical Christians do not repudiate Falwell and all those pulpit pimps who idolize Trump. Heath Mayo and Russell Moore are Christians who take their religion seriously; what is wrong with the rest of them? Or is it that they are all cult members incapable of independent thought?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:28:16pm

Liberty University. Founded by a man who thought we deserved 9/11 because of Roe v Wade and we didn’t brutalize LGBT people btw. Falwell is the same rotten son of a bitch his father was. He’s just a more brazen hypocrite since he embraces Trump who doesn’t know scripture from his asshole. Same thing with Franklin Graham. Billy was an asshole too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:30:59pm

re: #14 Hecuba’s daughter

I do not understand why more Evangelical Christians do not repudiate Falwell and all those pulpit pimps who idolize Trump. Heath Mayo and Russell Moore are Christians who take their religion seriously; what is wrong with the rest of them? Or is it that they are all cult members incapable of independent thought?

They’re Republicans first. And you know what? That’s their right but don’t act like you’re doing what you do because of Chrits. Falwell knows damn well that Southern Baptists like his asshole father accepted the Roe decision and then used it because their then issue du jere (busing) wasn’t getting them much traction. I don’t like the RCC church but at least they’ve been consistent in their opposition to Roe. They’re assholes for other reasons of course and I say that as a baptized Catholic but at least they didn’t start opposing choice simply for power reasons like the scumbag right wing evangelical racists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:31:42pm
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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:33:44pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good fucking grief, what on earth is there to even think about, much less decide?

She should never have been arrested in the first place.

One has to wait to be murdered before they can prove they were in danger. Bitches always be accusing falsely so a good man loses his guns. //////////

When she is murdered, all will agree that new gun regulations would not have stopped it for some reason. If I were her, I’d concoct a stand your ground scenario and kill him. She’s got a 50/50 chance of getting off, 50 being white and not 50 being a woman

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:33:47pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jerry never had a problem when Russell Moore was bashing gays, Muslims, and choice but he calls out Jerry’s asshole brother in arms Trump’s immigration policy and Jerry suddenly thinks Russell shouldn’t talk. Got news for you Jerry, no one fucking asked you or your for your opinions about gays, non-Evangelicals, and others. Your father was a bigoted asshole just like you’re a bigoted asshole and this planet is better off without him just like it will be when you eventually go.

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Mattand  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:34:15pm

I eagerly await honorable stalwart of democracy and dedicated public servant Robert Mueller to basically say “Sorry about the US turning into a dictatorship, but whaddya want me to do?”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:37:58pm

Yup, that’s the “liberal agenda” alright. It this like Teh Geyh agenda?

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:38:18pm
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Belafon  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:39:53pm

Not sure of the point of her random jey presses, but Tom Holland sounds like a pretty standup guy:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:40:08pm

re: #21 Anymouse 🌹

Yup, that’s the “liberal agenda” alright. It this like Teh Geyh agenda?

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Young people don’t like a hypocritical asshole like Falwell Jr telling us we’re going to hell because we love who we love while he sucks up to an autocratic toddler.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:40:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:42:52pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And this is why he’s the worst. He’s so fucking full of himself. He thinks he knows better than everyone else.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:43:45pm

Instant Pot spaghetti sauce made with fresh tomatoes. Yum.

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:43:52pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bankruptcy court is an exit strategy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:44:38pm

re: #28 Old Liberal

Bankruptcy court is an exit strategy.

So is settling with people who accuse you of fraud.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:44:41pm
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Belafon  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:46:06pm

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

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It will be up to Mueller.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:46:08pm

re: #14 Hecuba’s daughter

I do not understand why more Evangelical Christians do not repudiate Falwell and all those pulpit pimps who idolize Trump. Heath Mayo and Russell Moore are Christians who take their religion seriously; what is wrong with the rest of them? Or is it that they are all cult members incapable of independent thought?

Evangelical Christians are by their own teaching more conservative than the norm of Christians.

Falwell’s father was a bigoted ass who also worshiped at the Alter of Ayn Rand and Conservatism for decades.

They have spent most of my life seeking to grasp the power of the secular state so they can enact a religious agenda.

Lots of Christians (not just Evangelicals) offer the argument that you can use a flawed vessel (in this case Trump) to obtain a good end (in their case theocratic rule).

And it isn’t just Evangelicals; most Christian groups broke for Trump. Hispanic Catholics were the only Christian group Pew Research polled who broke for Hillary Clinton.

Jews, other religions, and atheists/agnostics voted for Clinton, but we aren’t enough by ourselves.

The chart goes back to 2000. Christians are consistently correlated with “Republican.”

pewresearch.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:48:07pm
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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:48:33pm

re: #14 Hecuba’s daughter

Many are individually or in their church engaging in the same self-serving parsing of Scripture. Others are just habituated to a cycle of minimally-shaming and forgiving powerful men who perform the (perfunctory) rituals of piety. Some just have selfish shit that Falwell advances and makes “holy.” Falwell Jr may upset them occasionally, but his behavior fits into cultural patterns they’re already comfortable with, he’s an insider to their community and they’ll shield him from outsiders.

Falwell Jr, including his venality and sex scandal, fall inside what is normal and excusable for these folks, because religion in general and their religion in specific shelters dudes with in-group power by suggesting that everyone in the outgroup is so depraved that their stealing/fucking/grifting/lying is a necessary evil.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:49:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:52:28pm

re: #35 Belafon

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Eh we’re not quite there yet but the idea of Millennials as dumb college kids who are overly sensitive is your usual bunch of wingnut trash. The Gen Xers though are definitely sending their kids off though. Most of my college bound brother’s friends have Gen Xer parents.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:54:29pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:54:46pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:57:08pm

Our cat has discovered the wonders of firefly’s. She has been chasing them all over the backyard since dusk. She doesn’t want to come in.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 6:57:38pm

re: #38 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That son of a bitch has no concept of what the American dream is because him and his father and brother and sister and brother in law are fundamentally opposed to what makes this country what it is. They’re autocratic and nepotistic assholes who our ancestors came to get the fuck away from. He has no idea that the American dream is that we shouldn’t be defined on what our parents did and on our own merits. And you know what the same is true for Dumbo Jr and his father, their fathers are and were both awful but they’re pretty awful on their own merits too.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:00:53pm

re: #39 Eventual Carrion

Our cat has discovered the wonders of firefly’s. She has been chasing them all over the backyard since dusk. She doesn’t want to come in.

I’ve never seen that television show. I’m jealous of your cat. /s

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:02:50pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:02:52pm
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Belafon  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:06:47pm

re: #43 teleskiguy

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I think Democrats should first invite Robert de Niro as Mueller just to see how long it takes Republicans to catch on.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:08:12pm

Lubbock logic.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:09:47pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

That son of a bitch has no concept of what the American dream is because him and his father and brother and sister and brother in law are fundamentally opposed to what makes this country what it is. They’re autocratic and nepotistic assholes who our ancestors came to get the fuck away from. He has no idea that the American dream is that we shouldn’t be defined on what our parents did and on our own merits. And you know what the same is true for Dumbo Jr and his father, their fathers are and were both awful but they’re pretty awful on their own merits too.

Nepotism has been part of this nation from its beginning; people should be defined on their own merits but too many care who your family is and not who you are. Trump has no understanding that the only reason he is able to claim wealth (or pretend wealth) is because of his father and grandfather. This is why he endorses white supremacy and racism: he wants to promote the notion that he has better genes; that accomplishments are based on our bloodline and are deserved. Those who are poor and uneducated are so because they are of inferior blood. Isn’t that a very Calvinist interpretation of society?

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:11:00pm

re: #45 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Lubbock logic.

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Why travel? Wait a couple years and this will be the same here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:11:20pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:13:07pm

More about that Pew Research poll.

Before the election, but after the primaries, Pew also did a poll on who people would vote for based on their religious faith.

Evangelicals were against Trump during the primaries, but all-in afterward. So-called “nones,” who number about the same as Evangelical Christians, were heavily on the side of Clinton.

The election broke as their numbers predicted: It would be determined by how other Christians broke. Since they broke heavily for Trump (minus Hispanic Catholics), that set of numbers were prescient.

Who Said 2016 Was Unusual? For Religious Groups, It Looks Like 2012 All Over Again (July 13, 2016)

The decades of framing by the GOP that the Democratic Party is “anti-Christian” has born fruit ever since 2000.

The main difference is African-American Evangelicals broke heavily for Obama in 2012.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:17:05pm

re: #46 Hecuba’s daughter

Nepotism has been part of this nation from its beginning; people should be defined on their own merits but too many care who your family is and not who you are. Trump has no understanding that the only reason he is able to claim wealth (or pretend wealth) is because of his father and grandfather. This is why he endorses white supremacy and racism: he wants to promote the notion that he has better genes; that accomplishments are based on our bloodline and are deserved. Those who are poor and uneducated are so because they are of inferior blood. Isn’t that a very Calvinist interpretation of society?

True. And yeah I’ve always hated and rejected the Calvinist interpretation of society. It’s always been narrow minded bs disguised as serious theology.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:17:34pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:19:39pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A lot of people need to go to prison for this and it needs to start with Trump. That miserable Miller too.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:22:36pm

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹

More about that Pew Research poll.

Before the election, but after the primaries, Pew also did a poll on who people would vote for based on their religious faith.

Evangelicals were against Trump during the primaries, but all-in afterward. So-called “nones,” who number about the same as Evangelical Christians, were heavily on the side of Clinton.

The election broke as their numbers predicted: It would be determined by how other Christians broke. Since they broke heavily for Trump (minus Hispanic Catholics), that set of numbers were prescient.

Who Said 2016 Was Unusual? For Religious Groups, It Looks Like 2012 All Over Again (July 13, 2016)

The decades of framing by the GOP that the Democratic Party is “anti-Christian” has born fruit ever since 2000.

The main difference is African-American Evangelicals broke heavily for Obama in 2012.

Fella it’s been that way since 1980 when Reagan gladly let the Xtians into the GOP!

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Old Liberal  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:26:49pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

A lot of people need to go to prison for this and it needs to start with Trump. That miserable Miller too.

Jesus loves the little children
All the children of the world,
White and white, white and white
They are precious in his sight
Jesus loves the white children of the world.
The rest can get fucked.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:29:28pm

re: #53 Joe Bacon 🌹

Fella it’s been that way since 1980 when Reagan gladly let the Xtians into the GOP!

I’m aware of that (1980 was the first election I voted in). The Southern Baptist President Carter was thrown under a bus by Evangelicals for Reagan because they wanted power, not good governance.

I voted for Carter. Funny story about that.

I was at sea and had a federal absentee ballot. (Those do not permit you to vote in local elections where you are registered, only federal offices.) That ballot requires either a notary public (not available on aircraft carriers), or the countersignature of an officer ranked O-5 or above (basically a department head in the Navy).

It was passed down that no one could seal their ballot before it was signed, ostensibly so they could “check to see if it was really you casting the ballot.”

It was so officers could check to see how enlisted members were voting. The officer corps has always leaned heavily conservative, and you would be unsurprised to know that my DH was maintaining a list of who voted for who.

Guess how that shook out later in performance evaluations.

All of that is illegal of course, but there is no specific citation for it in the UCMJ, and who’s going to get a federal complaint in the middle of the Med on an aircraft carrier? And if you protested over your ballot being compromised, that would work out worse than simply voting for Jimmy Carter.

Voter suppression has been going on for a long time, and that was my first introduction to it. Intimidation when casting ballots.

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:29:29pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:30:43pm
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MsJ  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:40:31pm

Terrifyingly on point.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:41:34pm

re: #56 gocart mozart

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The most hilarious thing I find about people in her timeline screaming “She’s going to implement sharia law!” is that she wouldn’t be allowed to be in office if it were implemented.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:42:02pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Creature composed entirely of exit strategies doesn’t know what one is.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:43:45pm

Bone spurs exit strategy
Divorce exit strategy
Denial exit strategy
Stiffing creditors exit strategy
Bankruptcy exit strategy
Gaslighting exit strategy
Denial exit strategy
Lying exit strategy

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:44:58pm

Whoever did this deserves an award.

Trump in Black and White
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:46:11pm

Cre: #59 Belafon

The most hilarious thing I find about people in her timeline screaming “She’s going to implement sharia law!” is that she wouldn’t be allowed to be in office if it were implemented.

People who think she’s going to are the same people who oppose lgbt rights because the Bible. Irony is lost on them.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:47:00pm

The grift might be over for realsies.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:48:58pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

The grift might be over for realsies.

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Good. Dana can cry about not being employable other than gun owners not being worshipped.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:49:15pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:50:10pm

Top Oregon Democrats Say Climate Change Bill Is Dead After GOP Senators Fled the State (Slate)

A landmark piece of climate change legislation that stalled after Republican senators fled to Idaho to avoid a roll call is likely dead, the top Democrat in the Oregon Senate said Tuesday. But despite the Republicans’ stunt, the Senate president said it was his own party that did not have the votes to pass the sweeping legislation. It appears Republicans high-tailing it to the hills with police in pursuit are more organized than Democrats who actually show up to work.

“What I’m about to say, I say of my own free will. No one has told me to say this,” said Democratic Oregon Senate President and possible hostage Peter Courtney, according to Oregon Public Broadcasting. “House Bill 2020 does not have the votes on the Senate floor. That will not change.” Gov. Kate Brown, who last week ordered state police to track down missing Republicans, also conceded Tuesday that the legislation was dead, but she blamed Republicans for blocking a bill “that provides a better future for our state and for our children, and the tactics they employed to do so are not just unacceptable, but dangerous.”

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Further down the article, some Republicans are claiming this is simply a “stunt” and the bill will be revived as soon as they come back to the state senate.

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BigPapa  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:51:37pm

re: #66 teleskiguy

Shero

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danarchy  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:51:42pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Good. Dana can cry about not being employable other than gun owners not being worshipped.

She’s still got her superbeets grift.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:51:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:52:53pm

re: #69 danarchy

She’s still got her superbeets grift.

Ah. Well hope she enjoys borscht. At least it’s not racist and harassing children who survive school shootings.

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:53:07pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good fucking grief, what on earth is there to even think about, much less decide?

She should never have been arrested in the first place.

It’s a hole in State law. He was told by a Judge that he couldn’t have weapons in his possession after his vehicular assault on his wife, but there is no requirement that local cops enforce that judgement. (!!!)

When she went to his house, used her key, and collected his guns and took them to the cop shop, they arrested her for breaking and entering and grand larceny. Under the law, she is prima facie guilty of that charge and they had no choice. It’s up to the courts to work it out.

Florida: go figure.

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Cheechako  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:53:24pm

The wheels of justice are slowly turning:

U.S. sues ex-Trump aide Omarosa

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:53:58pm

re: #72 austin_blue

It’s a hole in State law. He was told by a Judge that he couldn’t have weapons in his possession after his vehicular assault on his wife, but there is no requirement that local cops enforce that judgement. (!!!)

When she went to his house, used her key, and collected his guns and took them to the cop shop, they arrested her for breaking and entering and grand larceny. Under the law, she is prima facie guilty of that charge and they had no choice. It’s up to the courts to work it out.

Florida: go figure.

How is it breaking and entering if she used her key?

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2019 • 7:54:36pm

Well I’ll be damned, Stevie Wonder has never played at Red Rocks until last night. Even our esteemed host of this here world wide web page has played at Red Rocks.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:00:35pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

The grift might be over for realsies.

Dana Loesch’s pinned tweet:

Good thing she has Super Beets to fall back on.

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:01:46pm

re: #74 calochortus

How is it breaking and entering if she used her key?

She was no longer living in the residence and had no right to access. Again, Florida law.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:02:19pm
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DodgerFan1988  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:02:23pm

Falwell is a f*cking conman and a charlatan.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:02:59pm

re: #77 austin_blue

She was no longer living in the residence and had no right to access. Again, Florida law.

I’m way too literal to be a lawyer. “Breaking and entering” should require breaking something.

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plansbandc  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:04:23pm

re: #66 teleskiguy

I cannot express how much I love her.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:04:26pm

re: #79 DodgerFan1988

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Falwell is a f*cking conman and a charlatan.

He might be worse than his father and his father said we deserved 9/11. He’s a bastard who deserves all sorts of misfortunes.

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BigPapa  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:04:44pm

re: #80 calochortus

Broke the Circle of Trust

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:04:45pm

re: #70 teleskiguy

A reminder that the NRA being on the retreat doesn’t end the pain.

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:06:49pm

re: #80 calochortus

I’m way too literal to be a lawyer. “Breaking and entering” should require breaking something.

I know. it’s just insane.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:07:12pm

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹

A reminder that the NRA being on the retreat doesn’t end the pain.

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It never ends. The fucked up thing is they’ve grown worse. The attacks on the Parkland kids because they dared to say aloud that the NRA is full of shit and uninterested in preventing shootings.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:07:49pm

Of course!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:08:23pm

re: #80 calochortus

I’m way too literal to be a lawyer. “Breaking and entering” should require breaking something.

I would hope that someone feels sympathetic because I definitely agree that she’s no criminal.

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:08:52pm

re: #87 jaunte

Good. Make it seem like it will be worthwhile for his audience to watch, to make fun of the old man of the mountain. grrrrrr

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SteelPH  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:09:18pm

re: #87 jaunte

Replace Mueller with Trump and it’d be a more accurate analysis.

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danarchy  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:09:32pm

re: #77 austin_blue

She was no longer living in the residence and had no right to access. Again, Florida law.

She had never been to the residence he got the condo after they were separated. She did not have a key, after the police arrested him she took his keys. It was pretty clearly breaking and entering, but at some point common sense(and decency) has to beat letter of the law.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:10:15pm

re: #87 jaunte

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Of course!

Sean, your hero is the guy who said a guy was wearing a wardrobe. Now granted I’ve never heard Mueller talk about wardrobes but I think he knows the difference between clothing and wardrobes.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:10:40pm

re: #87 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:11:08pm

re: #91 danarchy

She had never been to the residence he got the condo after they were separated. She did not have a key, after the police arrested him she took his keys. It was pretty clearly breaking and entering, but at some point common sense(and decency) has to beat letter of the law.

That is something that I would hope the prosecution or jury would consider. She obviously feared for her safety.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:11:13pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

Sean, your hero is the guy who said a guy was wearing a wardrobe. Now granted I’ve never heard Mueller talk about wardrobes but I think he knows the difference.

Maybe the guy was wearing a lot of layers? Enough to make up a whole wardrobe if worn separately?

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gocart mozart  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:11:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:12:13pm

re: #95 calochortus

Maybe the guy was wearing a lot of layers? Enough to make up a whole wardrobe if worn separately?

I don’t think Trump understands metaphors.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:13:27pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

It never ends. The fucked up thing is they’ve grown worse. The attacks on the Parkland kids because they dared to say aloud that the NRA is full of shit and uninterested in preventing shootings.

The baby shot that former Rep. Giffords tweeted about was shot by a man out on bond for other violent crimes including shooting into his previous girlfriend’s home (nearly striking her baby).

Domestic violence is a powerful indicator of future murderers, and the law is very weak in many states over that.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:13:41pm

re: #96 gocart mozart

Freepers are divided between not believing the demise of NRATV because it was reported in the NYT, and having given up on the NRA already and moved over to GOA. Sigh.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:14:20pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

I don’t think Trump understands metaphorsanything.

fixed.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:14:58pm

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹

The baby shot that former Rep. Giffords tweeted about was shot by a man out on bond for other violent crimes including shooting into his previous girlfriend’s home (nearly striking her baby).

Domestic violence is a powerful indicator of future murderers, and the law is very weak in many states over that.

Yep I got that. I get why the 2A exists but we need more common sense and the NRA has gone from a sportsman organization to the John Birch Society with guns.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:15:09pm

re: #100 calochortus

fixed.

Truth

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:23:42pm

re: #32 Anymouse 🌹

Christians who aren’t White aren’t correlated with Republicans but since Whites are the majority of Christians, I get your point.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:26:34pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

He wants to nuke Iran.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:27:47pm

Ravelry, the knitting and other fiber-craft website* has banned Trump support (although not Trump supporters, you just can’t post anything that supports Trump.) Much upset has ensued among conservatives.

*There are lots of things other than knitting discussed in various groups, including a bit of politics. There are a very few conservative groups there which have never tolerated any dissent, debate, or deviation from whatever a group’s moderator believes, banning people who ask questions or occasionally a moderator will alter a liberal’s post to say something the original poster never did. But the liberals are the bad/dishonest/stupid people.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:35:06pm

re: #104 GlutenFreeJesus

He wants to nuke Iran.

I honestly believe that if Trump orders a nuke strike on Iran there will be a coup by the military to remove him and Pence.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:35:51pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:38:19pm

re: #96 gocart mozart

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:46:53pm

My wife is listening an Aron Ra podcast where he is interviewing a woman who used to belong to Rick Tyler’s cult.

He’s the guy who ran in the election in Tennessee with all the “make America white again” billboards.

She notes his church ran a restaurant with all children as workers, and she was the adult overseer (when locals found out he was a Nazi they boycotted the restaurant, causing it to close).

She also claims he is a polygamist (marriages can only be recognised by God, not by any state power) and has twenty children.

She says it was an Ann Coulter book which turned him to his views. Subsequently, he held rallies with people such as Matthew Heimbach.

He is running for President in 2020 on the American Freedom Party ticket (Third Positionism, otherwise known as fascists).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:47:49pm

re: #105 calochortus

Ravelry, the knitting and other fiber-craft website* has banned Trump support (although not Trump supporters, you just can’t post anything that supports Trump.) Much upset has ensued among conservatives.

*There are lots of things other than knitting discussed in various groups, including a bit of politics. There are a very few conservative groups there which have never tolerated any dissent, debate, or deviation from whatever a group’s moderator believes, banning people who ask questions or occasionally a moderator will alter a liberal’s post to say something the original poster never did. But the liberals are the bad/dishonest/stupid people.

These are the same people who think you should be able to deny someone medical treatment for being gay so I’m not too sympathetic especially because they didn’t ban Trump supporters. They just banned Trump support. Maybe they want their knitting to be free of the orange shitface. A lot of the genealogy groups I belong to have a no politics rule and I respect that even though I think a lot of genealogy should be making us more empathetic and sympathetic towards the immigrants that Trump has been treating like criminals.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:51:28pm

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:52:04pm

re: #90 SteelPH

Replace Mueller with Trump and it’d be a more accurate analysis.

That’s exactly what I was going to say.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:54:32pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

These are the same people who think you should be able to deny someone medical treatment for being gay so I’m not too sympathetic especially because they didn’t ban Trump supporters. They just banned Trump support. Maybe they want their knitting to be free of the orange shitface. A lot of the genealogy groups I belong to have a no politics rule and I respect that even though I think a lot of genealogy should be making us more empathetic and sympathetic towards the immigrants that Trump has been treating like criminals.

My understanding is that aside from the site owners being on the young side and liberal, and therefore wanting to be inclusive and be a comfortable place for LGBT and other marginalized people, they had some trouble with threats, doxing and other nasty stuff from a few of the conservatives. Not much, but enough that they were done with those folks.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:55:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:57:36pm

re: #113 calochortus

My understanding is that aside from the site owners being on the young side and liberal, and therefore wanting to be inclusive and be a comfortable place for LGBT and other marginalized people, they had some trouble with threats, doxing and other nasty stuff from a few of the conservatives. Not much, but enough that they were done with those folks.

Yeah that doesn’t surprise me at all. TBH most outspoken Trumpers go out of their way to be assholes. I don’t blame them for not wanting that headache.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:57:49pm

re: #114 teleskiguy

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Makes me feel safer.
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:58:04pm

re: #113 calochortus

My understanding is that aside from the site owners being on the young side and liberal, and therefore wanting to be inclusive and be a comfortable place for LGBT and other marginalized people, they had some trouble with threats, doxing and other nasty stuff from a few of the conservatives. Not much, but enough that they were done with those folks.

They were also doing things like uploading patterns promoting white supremacy, Nazism, the Confederacy, &c.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:58:54pm

re: #117 Anymouse 🌹

They were also doing things like uploading patterns promoting white supremacy, Nazism, the Confederacy, &c.

Yeah good riddance.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2019 • 8:59:55pm

re: #117 Anymouse 🌹

They were also doing things like uploading patterns promoting white supremacy, Nazism, the Confederacy, &c.

Yeah. I wasn’t going to get into all that. Mostly just from a couple people who were stirring the pot, as it were. “Where can I find a conservative knit designer?” was a fairly common question. There apparently aren’t a lot.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 9:02:19pm

re: #111 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Speaking of that. What has always pissed me off about other white people telling black people to get over slavery is they NEVER NEVER EVER tell white Southerners to get over the results of the Civil War but then again that’s because they’re not. The more honest ones admit it because they hate what this country really is. A lot of them think the country started going downhill when Lincoln became President but my opinion is on Juneteenth the country actually started living up to the Founders words. I’m sorry but from 7/4/1776 to June 19, 1865 we were a fraudulent nation. A lot of Americans did great things in those years, I don’t deny that but we were a bunch of hypocrites.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 25, 2019 • 9:08:13pm

I swear I was joking about this in 2015-2016 when trump first started his call to build the wall.
Instead of a Wall, Build a Canal - The Weekly Standard (2017)

Now, back then I suggested a Panamax class canal. But, it would probably save a trillion dollars or so if they limited Seawaymax class dimensions

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 9:12:43pm

re: #121 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I swear I was joking about this in 2015-2016 when trump first started his call to build the wall.
Instead of a Wall, Build a Canal - The Weekly Standard (2017)

Now, back then I suggested a Panamax class canal. But, it would probably save a trillion dollars or so if they limited Seawaymax class dimensions

//

I have never gotten why conservatives could gush at Reagan telling Gorbachev to tear down the wall and then suggest it would be a good idea for our own country. But so much of what conservatives think about immigration frankly comes from a place of great ignorance and I do blame them for that because they choose to only get right wing propaganda that tells them about immigrants raping and murdering. They don’t tell them about 99.9% of immigrants who are here to make a better life for themselves and or tehir families and many of whom just may be making their lives easier whether it’s a service industry job or something else. They choose to be nativist assholes. That’s why I don’t have a lot of sympathy for them. I don’t want them to get hurt by Trump’s policies but I do want them to know damn well that their bigotry is going to fuck them i nthe long run.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 9:13:06pm

re: #121 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I swear I was joking about this in 2015-2016 when trump first started his call to build the wall.
Instead of a Wall, Build a Canal - The Weekly Standard (2017)

Now, back then I suggested a Panamax class canal. But, it would probably save a trillion dollars or so if they limited Seawaymax class dimensions

//

I would think building a canal through the Rocky Mountains would be a bit difficult.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 9:21:02pm

When some of my friends post about immigration, some of their ignorant friends show their true colors. They don’t know for instance the conditions that are making people flee Central America. They sure as shit don’t know you need to be in our country to apply for asylum. They definitely don’t know that being undocumented is a misdemeanor and a civil offense and that Trump is separating families over what is in effect equivalent to a parking ticket. They don’t know that it costs in fact more money to treat immigrants like crap tahn humanely. And they’ll never fucking even attempt to empathize? Why because so many of them think their shit doesn’t stink because they were lucky enough to be a cell fertilized in America or later for their mother to give birth to them in America.

I will always blame Trump for awakening ugly xenophobia in this country that went against everything that I grew up with. Immigrants were and always will be a part of my life. They’ve been friends, teammates, roommates, co-workers, teachers, supervisors, and family. That is the argument we need to hit home against Trump’s immigration policy. That it is at its very base nature is anti family.

Yes we do have laws but maybe we need to look at why people come illegally. It’s not because they’re flaunting it. It’s because immigration as opposed to when most white people’s ancestors got here has become consuming both in time and money. If there was violence in my backyard, you sure as hell bet I would want to go to a more safer place where millions have thrived. And you know what? We used to have Presidents that got that yearning. And instead now we have a bully who uses fear of the other to keep his political power. A childish bully who has no idea what made this country the beacon ti was for millions.

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2019 • 9:21:11pm

re: #123 Anymouse 🌹

I would think building a canal through the Rocky Mountains would be a bit difficult.

Aw, come on. Good old American hard work and stick-to-it-iveness (along with the actual labor being done by brown people) will have it taken care of in a jiffy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2019 • 9:22:06pm

Okay bed time for me guys.

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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2019 • 9:26:34pm

re: #91 danarchy

She had never been to the residence he got the condo after they were separated. She did not have a key, after the police arrested him she took his keys. It was pretty clearly breaking and entering, but at some point common sense(and decency) has to beat letter of the law.

Yes, I missed that part. But she had the keys from the police, who could (should?) have withheld them. Once in her custody, given to her by the police, didn’t she have legal access to remove his guns, as required by the Judge and deliver them to the police?

It’s just a legal goat fuck, and a woman in fear for her life is arrested for removing the instruments of her death from a killer who has already made an attempt on her life.

But it wuz hiz gunz she stole.

Just as stupid as a law can be.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 25, 2019 • 9:33:09pm

re: #123 Anymouse 🌹

I would think building a canal through the Rocky Mountains would be a bit difficult.

Technically, the Rocky’s end north of the border. The border area is something of a massive valley in the American Cordillera. Where the Rocky;s has ended and the Sierra Madre Ranges (Occidental & Oriental) begin.

So, it would significantly easier than cutting a canal through the Rocky’s proper

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calochortus  Jun 25, 2019 • 9:34:29pm

I’m going to say good night.

Hasta mañana, Lizards.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 9:35:57pm

Beto O’Rourke’s War Tax Is a Seriously Dumb Idea (goes to Wonkette)

Turns out they aren’t fans of it. They have similar objections to me about it, along with others.

(via CNN) Households making less than $30,000 per year would pay $25; those making less than $40,000 would pay $57; those making less than $50,000 would pay $98; those making less than $75,000 would pay $164; those making less than $100,000 would pay $270; those making less than $200,000 would pay $485; and those making more than $200,000 would pay $1,000.

We get what O’Rourke wants to do here; it’s a variation on the idea that bringing back the draft might make Americans less likely to rush into foreign adventures, because that could be their son or daughter being sent off to die for oil (or rare earth minerals, for future wars). Only instead of our beloved children at stake, it would be our beloved … money? On the up side, when we say we value our brave men and women in the armed forces, we’d be able to put an exact price on how much.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 25, 2019 • 9:38:30pm

re: #128 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Technically, the Rocky’s end north of the border. The border area is something of a massive valley in the American Cordillera. Where the Rocky;s has ended and the Sierra Madre Ranges (Occidental & Oriental) begin.

So, it would significantly easier than cutting a canal through the Rocky’s proper

//

I would also offer that likely hundreds of billions of dollars would probably be save with the western canal entrance/exit being in the Gulf of California. rather that continuing west through Baja to the Pacific.

//

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 25, 2019 • 9:42:56pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 25, 2019 • 9:48:08pm
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austin_blue  Jun 25, 2019 • 9:53:43pm

Night all.

I love Beto, but this War Tax is just a non-starter. It’s like anointing the Kyshatria caste in India as a separate, protected class in the US.

There are many people in the US who cannot join the military. Trans people are now banned. Many folks on the autism scale are not acceptable. Mentally and physically citizens cannot serve. Should family’s be punished for this? It puts the Military Class above other citizens. It’s not a smart concept.

How about this?

Rich people pay a war tax?

They are the ones making the money.

Adios.

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mmmirele  Jun 25, 2019 • 9:59:36pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Jerry never had a problem when Russell Moore was bashing gays, Muslims, and choice but he calls out Jerry’s asshole brother in arms Trump’s immigration policy and Jerry suddenly thinks Russell shouldn’t talk. Got news for you Jerry, no one fucking asked you or your for your opinions about gays, non-Evangelicals, and others. Your father was a bigoted asshole just like you’re a bigoted asshole and this planet is better off without him just like it will be when you eventually go.

THANK YOU. Russell Moore is generally an awful person. He believes in patriarchy, which is a clear and present danger to every woman and girl alive. He got unhappy because people started using “complementarianism” instead of his preferred word, patriarchy. Do not be deceived by this man, he is a SNAKE!

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sagehen  Jun 25, 2019 • 10:00:25pm

re: #55 Anymouse 🌹

I was at sea and had a federal absentee ballot. (Those do not permit you to vote in local elections where you are registered, only federal offices.) That ballot requires either a notary public (not available on aircraft carriers), or the countersignature of an officer ranked O-5 or above (basically a department head in the Navy).

It was passed down that no one could seal their ballot before it was signed, ostensibly so they could “check to see if it was really you casting the ballot.”

It was so officers could check to see how enlisted members were voting. The officer corps has always leaned heavily conservative, and you would be unsurprised to know that my DH was maintaining a list of who voted for who.

Guess how that shook out later in performance evaluations.

For an extra layer of WTF-ery on that election… does anybody remember that Carter was a Navy vet (submarines), and Reagan’s only military service was making propaganda films in WWII?

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 25, 2019 • 10:11:45pm

re: #134 austin_blue

Night all.

I love Beto, but this War Tax is just a non-starter. It’s like anointing the Kyshatria caste in India as a separate, protected class in the US.

There are many people in the US who cannot join the military. Trans people are now banned. Many folks on the autism scale are not acceptable. Mentally and physically citizens cannot serve. Should family’s be punished for this? It puts the Military Class above other citizens. It’s not a smart concept.

How about this?

Rich people pay a war tax?

They are the ones making the money.

Adios.

Another thing to be noted about the “war tax” is that we simply do not need that many recruits. So what provisions do you make for the overflow? Do they pay even if they couldn’t serve?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2019 • 10:12:03pm

re: #135 mmmirele

THANK YOU. Russell Moore is generally an awful person. He believes in patriarchy, which is a clear and present danger to every woman and girl alive. He got unhappy because people started using “complementarianism” instead of his preferred word, patriarchy. Do not be deceived by this man, he is a SNAKE!

I didn’t know that when I posted my earlier comment praising him for saying the right thing when it came to the children at the border. Actually, I had never heard of Russell Moore and was reacting to his criticism of the treatment of these children and to Falwell’s disgraceful attack on him.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 10:12:16pm

re: #134 austin_blue

Night all.

I love Beto, but this War Tax is just a non-starter. It’s like anointing the Kyshatria caste in India as a separate, protected class in the US.

There are many people in the US who cannot join the military. Trans people are now banned. Many folks on the autism scale are not acceptable. Mentally and physically citizens cannot serve. Should family’s be punished for this? It puts the Military Class above other citizens. It’s not a smart concept.

How about this?

Rich people pay a war tax?

They are the ones making the money.

Adios.

Rich people is how war taxes in the past were usually conceived. I would throw in defence contractors as well. Maybe companies like Amazon which pay no tax as well.

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2019 • 10:13:35pm

George and Kellyanne. So fucking weird.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 25, 2019 • 10:29:56pm

Big problems in this world:

Jakarta is sinking! - Equator from the Air - BBC

And for those isolationists who think stuff over there doesn’t affect us - you are wrong.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 10:42:31pm

Pennsylvania Republican Party Chairman Resigns Amid Sexting Scandal (Goes to the New York Times)

The party of family values (tm, marca registrada) strikes again. Betcha he’s a good Christian too, just needs to repent or something.

The chairman of Pennsylvania’s Republican Party abruptly resigned Tuesday after a news report that he sent a sexually explicit photograph of himself to a female candidate who ran unsuccessfully for the Philadelphia City Council.

The report, in The Philadelphia Inquirer, said that the chairman, Val DiGiorgio, sent the candidate, Irina Goldstein, a photo of his erect penis on Facebook Messenger after exchanging sexually tinged messages for a few months after she accepted his friend request last October.

Mr. DiGiorgio frequently commented about Ms. Goldstein’s appearance in those messages, which The Inquirer said ended in February when Ms. Goldstein accused Mr. DiGiorgio of sexual harassment.

(more)

Currently he’s disputing the nature of the texts as a “gross mischaracterisation.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2019 • 10:49:23pm

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t get why so many men (especially conservatives) send unsolicited dick pics to women (and sometimes to other men).

Maybe this would have kept him out of trouble.

Dick pic.
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Dread Pirate  Jun 25, 2019 • 11:18:04pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2019 • 11:28:02pm
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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Jun 25, 2019 • 11:46:00pm

Any lawyer lizards around right now? I’m getting ready for trial in a custody case. Discovery was due on Friday (and that was after my attorney gave them an extension). It’s now Tuesday night and no Discovery. We go to trial on July 18. We are also trying to work out a settlement since he originally offered to give me custody of the eldest and keep it status quo with the younger because that’s what she wants right now…knowing that within a few months of her actually having to live with the girlfriend who is moving in soon, her opinion will likely change and then we have her testimony that she doesn’t want to live with dad, either.

How do I go forward without the Discovery from him? Is this usually a big deal with the courts when the other side doesn’t deliver on time? I’ve got no clue.

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:21:08am

re: #146 Sionainn, Warrior Mother

And I killed the thread. I’m so sorry. Going to bed and nurse my sorrows. Love you all!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:47:11am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 26, 2019 • 1:01:19am

Your gardening suggestion for the day:

Grow Roses in Containers

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 26, 2019 • 2:10:43am

Given our own issues with outlandish actions by the Trump administration, I guess I have been unaware of similar problems in the UK:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 26, 2019 • 2:14:19am

This is why Trump likes Churchill:

The Unwanted: The Secret Windrush Files: Winston Churchill ‘whipped up racism that led to Windrush Generation scandal’

When Churchill returned to Downing Street in 1951, the West Indian migrant population stood at just 50,000.

But the great war leader was determined to find evidence that the influx was causing “social problems.” He toyed with an election slogan “keep England white”.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 2:27:32am

re: #147 Sionainn, Warrior Mother

And I killed the thread. I’m so sorry. Going to bed and nurse my sorrows. Love you all!

No it was me. My Internet service went out (that’s no surprise) and was just restored. No bad weather, it just decided we didn’t need service in this part of the state.

Utah Outcasts (caution for magic four-letter words which cause conservatives to break down) snarks on the recent stupidity of wingnut Christians petitioning Netflix to cancel a show run by Amazon (9:25)

Angry Christians Demand Netflix Stop Making ‘Good Omens’

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 2:39:44am

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹

No it was me. My Internet service went out (that’s no surprise) and was just restored. No bad weather, it just decided we didn’t need service in this part of the state.

Utah Outcasts (caution for magic four-letter words which cause conservatives to break down) snarks on the recent stupidity of wingnut Christians petitioning Netflix to cancel a show run by Amazon (9:25)

This has been out since last week, but is amazing. I think the part that pisses them off most of all is that it portrays a gay romance between an angel and a demon.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 3:47:38am

re: #151 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

This is why Trump likes Churchill:

The Unwanted: The Secret Windrush Files: Winston Churchill ‘whipped up racism that led to Windrush Generation scandal’

His WWII leadership was admirable but aside I’m not an admirer at all of Churchill overall.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 3:52:36am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

His WWII leadership was admirable but aside I’m not an admirer at all of Churchill overall.

Churchill was for his day much like Blair was for ours: He was a well-spoken man, a great orator who could inspire people to do great things. But as a leader, his abilities were at best wanting and at worst detrimental to the health of his nation. Amusingly, like Tony in the modern day, he was also known for excuse-making about his own flaws while exaggerating those of his successors/opponents to overshadow his own.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 3:54:58am

re: #155 Targetpractice

Churchill was for his day much like Blair was for ours: He was a well-spoken man, a great orator who could inspire people to do great things. But as a leader, his abilities were at best wanting and at worst detrimental to the health of his nation. Amusingly, like Tony in the modern day, he was also known for excuse-making about his own flaws while exaggerating those of his successors/opponents to overshadow his own.

In WW2 we were fortunate that we had people like Lord Allanbrooke, his Chief of Staff, who could overrule his more outlandish, foolish and often hare-brained ideas.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 3:58:28am

re: #155 Targetpractice

Churchill was for his day much like Blair was for ours: He was a well-spoken man, a great orator who could inspire people to do great things. But as a leader, his abilities were at best wanting and at worst detrimental to the health of his nation. Amusingly, like Tony in the modern day, he was also known for excuse-making about his own flaws while exaggerating those of his successors/opponents to overshadow his own.

Yeah. He shat on Attlee a lot but Attlee did more to make the life of the average British subject better. I think he was well spoken with many good one liners but imo like Thatcher later his faults were many especially in the post WWII world. The other thing is he gets treated like the only one who saw through Nazism early. That’s wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 4:02:42am

re: #136 sagehen

For an extra layer of WTF-ery on that election… does anybody remember that Carter was a Navy vet (submarines), and Reagan’s only military service was making propaganda films in WWII?

Carter is our only Annapolis alum and submarine warfare was cutting edge but he gets written off by Reagan’s sycophants then and now as a cowardly dummy. I appreciate McCain and Bush I’s public service but I’m not expecting the great praise for a life of public service to Carter when he passes away that they got and that’s not right.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 4:04:21am

re: #135 mmmirele

THANK YOU. Russell Moore is generally an awful person. He believes in patriarchy, which is a clear and present danger to every woman and girl alive. He got unhappy because people started using “complementarianism” instead of his preferred word, patriarchy. Do not be deceived by this man, he is a SNAKE!

They’re both so awful. But yeah this isn’t Father Martin, SJ or Reverend William Barber here. I’m glad he’s calling it out but he’s still a patriarchal homophobic intolerant troll.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 4:10:09am

Winter is over starting today here. It’s gonna be scorching for the next few days.

Time to put in that new air conditioner.

forecast.weather.gov

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 4:10:41am

The problem with Churchill and Thatcher at least in how Americans view them is only through the American prism. They just see Winston as the chubby guy with one liners who worked with FDR to defeat the Nazis. They don’t see the unrepentant imperialist who was definitely bigoted and whose imperialist instincts led to trouble in Ireland, India, & others. Thatcher likewise is seen as Reagan’s BFF in fighting the USSR and her staunch support for right wing tyrants like Pinochet and retrograde policies like poll taxes is forgotten which was of course why many Brits weren’t exactly mourning her. I get what she did for women leaders but I’m not an admirer. Both are better than the UKIP and Boris Johnson/Teresa May but both are overhyped for the reasons stated.

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Archangelus  Jun 26, 2019 • 4:21:56am

Have I ever truly expressed just how much I fvcking HATE this guy?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 4:28:02am

re: #162 Archangelus

Have I ever truly expressed just how much I fvcking HATE this guy?

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I might hate him more than Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 4:30:43am

re: #162 Archangelus

Have I ever truly expressed just how much I fvcking HATE this guy?

It’s not like the Democratic presidential debates are coming up and he knew about them, scheduling a vote just to score a cheap political point. Sen. McConnell would never do that, would he?

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 4:31:55am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

The problem with Churchill and Thatcher at least in how Americans view them is only through the American prism. They just see Winston as the chubby guy with one liners who worked with FDR to defeat the Nazis. They don’t see the unrepentant imperialist who was definitely bigoted and whose imperialist instincts led to trouble in Ireland, India, & others. Thatcher likewise is seen as Reagan’s BFF in fighting the USSR and her staunch support for right wing tyrants like Pinochet and retrograde policies like poll taxes is forgotten which was of course why many Brits weren’t exactly mourning her. I get what she did for women leaders but I’m not an admirer. Both are better than the UKIP and Boris Johnson/Teresa May but both are overhyped for the reasons stated.

Really, I’d argue that the reason why PMs like Winston, Maggie, and Tony are well-regarded by Americans is because they are seen as the most “friendly” to our interests than others before and after. While Churchill’s biggest claim to fame back home is being the guy who pushed on with war when everybody around him wanted to surrender (a total myth), his fame in America largely came because he was the man who oversaw the creation of the Anglo-American partnership we take for granted today. Today we act as though that partnership was practically written in stone, but there was a period in WWI when the US and UK were so at odds that a US invasion of Canada was in the cards.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 4:38:28am

re: #165 Targetpractice

Really, I’d argue that the reason why PMs like Winston, Maggie, and Tony are well-regarded by Americans is because they are seen as the most “friendly” to our interests than others before and after. While Churchill’s biggest claim to fame back home is being the guy who pushed on with war when everybody around him wanted to surrender (a total myth), his fame in America largely came because he was the man who oversaw the creation of the Anglo-American partnership we take for granted today. Today we act as though that partnership was practically written in stone, but there was a period in WWI when the US and UK were so at odds that a US invasion of Canada was in the cards.

Yeah I think so too. And I think you get at why Trump’s FP infuriates me. It takes for granted the long-standing relationships and partnerships we have that previous Presidents and diplomats worked hard to create and maintain. So when I hear Trump cry about how something isn’t fair, I get angry because of that and I know how vital it is to have allies.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 4:38:52am

re: #164 Anymouse 🌹

It’s not like the Democratic presidential debates are coming up and he knew about them, scheduling a vote just to score a cheap political point. Sen. McConnell would never do that, would he?

Mitch act duplicitous? Never.//

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2019 • 4:47:59am

This interview with Boris Johnson is hilarious:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 5:09:50am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

I might hate him more than Trump.

He is Trump’s no 1 enabler. DT would not be able to wreak the damage he does without Mitch’s active support

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 5:09:51am

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹

Pennsylvania Republican Party Chairman Resigns Amid Sexting Scandal (Goes to the New York Times)

The party of family values (tm, marca registrada) strikes again. Betcha he’s a good Christian too, just needs to repent or something.

(more)

Currently he’s disputing the nature of the texts as a “gross mischaracterisation.”

Nothing new for Pennsylvania Republican officials because a lot of them have always been kinky people…who flaunt their “personal relationship” with Jay-Zuss…

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jeffreyw  Jun 26, 2019 • 5:14:18am

deer in velvet

Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 5:16:08am

“How would you title this photo”? is the caption of this post of a fellow in Brandenburg, Germany, riding his scooter naked.

“Sir, you’ll need to wear a second helmet!”

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 5:17:26am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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“How would you title this photo”? is the caption of a fellow in Brandenburg, Germany, riding his scooter naked.

“Sir, you’ll need to wear a second helmet!”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 5:19:07am

re: #162 Archangelus

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 26, 2019 • 5:23:54am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So it begins, a cyborg assassin known as a Terminator arrives…

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Archangelus  Jun 26, 2019 • 5:25:08am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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“How would you title this photo”? is the caption of this post of a fellow in Brandenburg, Germany, riding his scooter naked.

“Sir, you’ll need to wear a second helmet!”

“Brain Bleach Ultra: for those challenging days when Johnston’s Eye Bleach comes too little, too late…”
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2019 • 5:26:22am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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“How would you title this photo”? is the caption of this post of a fellow in Brandenburg, Germany, riding his scooter naked.

“Sir, you’ll need to wear a second helmet!”

He’s wearing sandals, I don’t see the problem.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 26, 2019 • 5:37:27am

re: #146 Sionainn, Warrior Mother

Any lawyer lizards around right now? I’m getting ready for trial in a custody case. Discovery was due on Friday (and that was after my attorney gave them an extension). It’s now Tuesday night and no Discovery. We go to trial on July 18. We are also trying to work out a settlement since he originally offered to give me custody of the eldest and keep it status quo with the younger because that’s what she wants right now…knowing that within a few months of her actually having to live with the girlfriend who is moving in soon, her opinion will likely change and then we have her testimony that she doesn’t want to live with dad, either.

How do I go forward without the Discovery from him? Is this usually a big deal with the courts when the other side doesn’t deliver on time? I’ve got no clue.

You need to talk to your attorney about that.

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Archangelus  Jun 26, 2019 • 5:39:26am

Music performance question: I’m interested in seeing all four of the following performers who are gonna be in the region next month, but may have to limit it to just 3 of them due to a variety of logistical constraints. If you’re familiar with them/seen them on stage, which would you consider the weakest link?
- Stanley Clarke Band (jazz)
- Tom Jones
- Slash
- Bon Jovi

(I know Clarke is the least prominent of the four, but I’m a jazz fan and there are so few jazz performances in this corner of the planet most of the time…)

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Decatur Deb  Jun 26, 2019 • 5:50:29am

re: #179 Archangelus

Music performance question: I’m interested in seeing all four of the following performers who are gonna be in the region next month, but may have to limit it to just 3 of them due to a variety of logistical constraints. If you’re familiar with them/seen them on stage, which would you consider the weakest link?
- Stanley Clarke Band (jazz)
- Tom Jones
- Slash
- Bon Jovi

(I know Clarke is the least prominent of the four, but I’m a jazz fan and there are so few jazz performances in this corner of the planet most of the time…)

Actuarial approach: See them in the order in which they are likely to die.

Real answer: Go for the jazz, forget the rest.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2019 • 5:57:31am

Gabriela Cattuzzo, a streamer who primarily broadcasts on Facebook from Brazil, has been dropped from gaming peripheral maker Razer’s influencer program after she tweeted that “men are trash,” which Razer Brazil said counted as “Extremism.”

Last week, Cattuzzo tweeted a photo of herself riding a mechanical bull, to which a user on Twitter replied saying “you can ride me as much as you want.” Cattuzzo responded to the user, saying “There’s always an asshole to say shit and sexualize women, even when the woman is making a joke, right? That’s why men are trash.”

[…]

On June 24, Razer posted a statement on Twitter addressing the situation. “Razer Brazil reinforces that the opinion of its influencers does not reflect, necessarily, the opinion of the business, which is totally against any type of discrimination be it of sex, religion, political party or whatever type of intolerance and extremism,” a company representative wrote. “We have been since the beginning, as gamers, confronted with all types of preconceptions and stereotypes, and we will continue to fight so that this type of situation won’t repeat itself.”

Yep, totally fucking normal. I never really used Razer products but I know they’re a big name in gamer tech, particular PC and e-sports stuff. This easily validates my avoidance of their products. This is trash, especially in light of everything else going on both here and Brazil.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 5:59:49am

re: #181 Citizen K

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Yep, totally fucking normal. I never really used Razer products but I know they’re a big name in gamer tech, particular PC and e-sports stuff. This easily validates my avoidance of their products. This is trash, especially in light of everything else going on both here and Brazil.

I’ve played video games for about twenty five years. I hate the toxic subculture of sexism and racism that exists.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:00:50am

re: #177 Barefoot Grin

He’s wearing sandals, I don’t see the problem.

yes, but without socks. against the law in Germany

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:02:03am

re: #182 HappyWarrior

I’ve played video games for about twenty five years. I hate the toxic subculture of sexism and racism that exists.

How much overlap is there between gamer and incel culture?

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William Lewis  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:02:36am

re: #179 Archangelus

Bon Jovi is the least to my mind. Slash is very good as is Clarke.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:03:50am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Well said. I would add that Thatcher’s input into the Troubles exacerbated the disconnect with the IRA and moved the issue in the wrong direction to solve to protestant/catholic problems.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:05:15am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that a boycott of Wayfair is growing as we learn that the company is standing by its decision to provide beds to the detention camps where people are being housed in inhumane conditions.

Wayfair employees are staging a walkout, which is good. A boycott of their goods is also in the works. I’ve bought several items from the company (and its various brands) in the past, and have been generally satisfied. No more.

Wayfair is a family of companies, including Joss and Main, AllModern, Birch Lane, and Perigold.

Wayfair stock was down 5% yesterday. Expect more losses today.

Meanwhile, Trump claims big tech companies are suppressing his reach, claiming that they’re Democrats. Trump’s a liar and a vain little racist man.

That’s yet another lie as Twitter continues enabling Trump and his fellow white supremacists continually violate the TOS of these sites all while claiming that they can’t stop goddamned Nazi posts on their site because the language and style used is too similar to what Trump and his fellow GOPers use. Well, that is true. Trump and the GOP are using Nazi and KKK rhetoric on a near daily basis, and only his bigot brigade deplorable base supports this. Everyone else doesn’t.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:05:54am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:09:48am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

How much overlap is there between gamer and incel culture?

There is a Venn overlap, but many gamers are well adjusted sexually.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:09:51am

re: #188 lawhawk

Democrats want Open Borders, which equals violent crime, drugs and human trafficking. They also want very high taxes, like 90%. Republicans want what’s good for America - the exact opposite!

There is a difference between “open borders” and concentration camps, mass deportations and a Wall.

But we cannot expect Trump to be able to frame it any other way to his base.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:10:35am

re: #189 Colère Tueur de Lapin

There is a Venn overlap, but many gamers are well adjusted sexually.

Just asking, I really have nothing to do with them. Incels either.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:13:40am

re: #181 Citizen K

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Yep, totally fucking normal. I never really used Razer products but I know they’re a big name in gamer tech, particular PC and e-sports stuff. This easily validates my avoidance of their products. This is trash, especially in light of everything else going on both here and Brazil.

Serious question: Would you be as outraged if Razer dropped a man as a spokesperson after he responded to a tweet from a woman by calling all women “trash”?

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:16:20am

re: #144 Dread Pirate

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:16:55am

re: #193 Belafon

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Sure they do: “Controversial.”

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:34:54am

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steve_davis  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:35:51am

re: #45 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Lubbock logic.

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sadly, the only time I get to wear the vagina hat anymore is when someone is sitting on my face. (Now I wonder if I should throw that into this guy’s twitter feed).

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jeffreyw  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:37:23am

re: #195 Targetpractice

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Thread is just taking a nap.

Bea sleeps with the parsleys.
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Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:38:14am

Which is exactly the problem I have with Trump.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:42:47am

re: #198 Belafon

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Which is exactly the problem I have with Trump.

This poll is why I generally don’t take the IA and NH polls all that seriously. You have two whiter, more conservative states being the first to weigh in, so it’s not surprising that they’re gravitating towards the white guy who’s promising them a fairly conservative “stay the course” campaign.

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BigPapa  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:43:28am

Project Veritas got a Google employee to play along and the shitbirds got a conspiracy boner. PV even gets shoutouts and call in spots on wingnut radio.

But the trou dropped on Dana Gunz. So there’s that.

And Rapinoe is my SHero.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:45:14am

re: #182 HappyWarrior

I’ve played video games for about twenty five years. I hate the toxic subculture of sexism and racism that exists.

Gamer culture is just so depressingly nasty, and social acceptance of the hobby has only amplified it by drawing in the chuds who are there not for the gaming or the community but just for the free indulgence in said sexism and racism.

re: #192 Targetpractice

Serious question: Would you be as outraged if Razer dropped a man as a spokesperson after he responded to a tweet from a woman by calling all women “trash”?

It would depend on the context, especially in this case where Cattuzzo had dealt with rampant sexism and harassment even before her big tweet, and then the avalanche of death threats and even more misogyny after.

Even with that caveat, even without that specific context, I would definitely give less leeway to the guy in that case because more often than not, gaming environments encourage exactly that kind of behavior, even glorify it. Gamergate was (and in many ways still is) a thing after all. Misogyny is an issue that’s plagued gamer culture for decades and has become only more visible with time. And while I believe there have been cases of sponsored streamers dropped for various reasons, I rarely have seen one with this kind of statement claiming outright victimhood the way Razer Brazil’s did.

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steve_davis  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:48:55am

re: #72 austin_blue

It’s a hole in State law. He was told by a Judge that he couldn’t have weapons in his possession after his vehicular assault on his wife, but there is no requirement that local cops enforce that judgement. (!!!)

When she went to his house, used her key, and collected his guns and took them to the cop shop, they arrested her for breaking and entering and grand larceny. Under the law, she is prima facie guilty of that charge and they had no choice. It’s up to the courts to work it out.

Florida: go figure.

if she had a key, she can’t be arrested for breaking and entering. Perry Mason and the Rockford Files taught me that much, at least!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:50:27am

re: #202 steve_davis

if she had a key, she can’t be arrested for breaking and entering. Perry Mason and the Rockford Files taught me that much, at least!

Illegal entry perhaps, but not breaking and entering

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:50:58am

re: #201 Citizen K

It would depend on the context, especially in this case where Cattuzzo had dealt with rampant sexism and harassment even before her big tweet, and then the avalanche of death threats and even more misogyny after.

Even with that caveat, even without that specific context, I would definitely give less leeway to the guy in that case because more often than not, gaming environments encourage exactly that kind of behavior, even glorify it. Gamergate was (and in many ways still is) a thing after all. Misogyny is an issue that’s plagued gamer culture for decades and has become only more visible with time. And while I believe there have been cases of sponsored streamers dropped for various reasons, I rarely have seen one with this kind of statement claiming outright victimhood the way Razer Brazil’s did.

So even if the situations were equal, a male and female spokesperson for a private company issuing equally venomous statements to followers and receiving equally venomous responses…you’d still feel the guy having his position as a spokesperson yanked would be okay because of other male gamers being misogynist assholes?

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:57:24am

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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To be fair though, I believe that Trump got a higher percentage of the Latino vote than Romney and McCain. There are Conservative Latinos who will vote for Trump because they like his tax policies or his stance on abortion or transgender issues. I’d be more surprised if Trump increases his minuscule support from the Black community in 2020.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2019 • 6:59:43am

re: #205 Patricia Kayden

To be fair though, I believe that Trump got a higher percentage of the Latino vote than Romney and McCain. There are Conservative Latinos who will vote for Trump because they like his tax policies or his stance on abortion or transgender issues. I’d be more surprised if Trump increases his minuscule support from the Black community in 2020.

And don’t forget those from Cuba who were opposed to Obama’s relaxation of restrictions on travel and business with the nation. Trump (may his name be cursed for all eternity) certainly delivered on that.

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:04:41am

re: #204 Targetpractice

So even if the situations were equal, a male and female spokesperson for a private company issuing equally venomous statements to followers and receiving equally venomous responses…you’d still feel the guy having his position as a spokesperson yanked would be okay because of other male gamers being misogynist assholes?

1) I’m still not sure Cattuzzo’s statement calling men ‘trash’ approaches ‘venomous’ in the way it happened.

2) That’s just the thing, this stuff isn’t happening in a vacuum. If this was a man doing this, the misogynistic behavior it would encourage would be far larger in scale than any supposed ‘misandrist’ behavior Cattuzzo’s statement did (hell, it seemed to stir up the misogynistic crowd anyhow).

3) Female gamer crowds already face a lot of shit, from dumb gendered appeals by companies to the harassment and venom in gaming communities. A male spokesperson or sponsored influencer going out with dumb statement like that, even without much prior history, can easily threaten a company’s outreach toward female customers if it’s seen as encouraging that kind of behavior. There’s no equivalent threat of turning off male customers wholesale from a sponsored female influencer making this kind of statement.

There’s no real point in trying to come out with hypothetical equivalent scenarios, because the playing fields aren’t anywhere equal at all. It’s the same kind of shit like with people online casting doubt on sexual harassment victims, up to and including insults like ‘bitch’ and ‘slut’, only to cry out about man-hating when women call out men in general for this kind of encouraged behavior. If the playing fields were equal, there might be a point, but they are so absolutely not level.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:07:10am

I hate it when this guy is on the money….

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steve_davis  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:07:37am

re: #111 Joe Bacon 🌹

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not sure how I feel about reparations. My Pennsylvania great-great uncles fought in a war to destroy slavery. I think we did our part. I also really, really don’t want to pay for someone else’s stupid student loan decisions, thank you very much.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:08:50am
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Scottish Dragon  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:09:36am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:10:25am

re: #208 I Would Prefer Not To

Needless to say, bar servers shouldn’t spit in people’s drinks. But I do look forward to her denial: “He’s not my type.

I wouldn’t spit on his head if his hair were on fire.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:11:06am

Wingnuts are in full meltdown over the Wayfair Walkout.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:11:54am

re: #207 Citizen K

1) I’m still not sure Cattuzzo’s statement calling men ‘trash’ approaches ‘venomous’ in the way it happened.

2) That’s just the thing, this stuff isn’t happening in a vacuum. If this was a man doing this, the misogynistic behavior it would encourage would be far larger in scale than any supposed ‘misandrist’ behavior Cattuzzo’s statement did (hell, it seemed to stir up the misogynistic crowd anyhow).

3) Female gamer crowds already face a lot of shit, from dumb gendered appeals by companies to the harassment and venom in gaming communities. A male spokesperson or sponsored influencer going out with dumb statement like that, even without much prior history, can easily threaten a company’s outreach toward female customers if it’s seen as encouraging that kind of behavior. There’s no equivalent threat of turning off male customers wholesale from a sponsored female influencer making this kind of statement.

There’s no real point in trying to come out with hypothetical equivalent scenarios, because the playing fields aren’t anywhere equal at all. It’s the same kind of shit like with people online casting doubt on sexual harassment victims, up to and including insults like ‘bitch’ and ‘slut’, only to cry out about man-hating when women call out men in general for this kind of encouraged behavior. If the playing fields were equal, there might be a point, but they are so absolutely not level.

You’ve a company that, by the logic I’m seeing expressed, is aimed at a largely male demographic. And a spokesperson for that company comes out and screams that the customer base for that product are “trash.” A customer base that did not respond by having a public discussion about why she made such a statement, but instead ramped up the abuse and attacked her in various ways. What do you believe the company should have done?

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William Lewis  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:15:09am

One of the many reasons I love the game Warframe is that it is Canadian. Which means that it’s culturally different- the players are chill, helpful and pleasant to hang with. I don’t think I have seen anyone really get “salty” like in Overwatch or other games.

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retired cynic  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:17:09am

re: #198 Belafon

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Why is Warren a problem that Sanders hasn’t had before, when he trailed and lost to Clinton, a woman with Plans?

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:18:45am

re: #179 Archangelus

Music performance question: I’m interested in seeing all four of the following performers who are gonna be in the region next month, but may have to limit it to just 3 of them due to a variety of logistical constraints. If you’re familiar with them/seen them on stage, which would you consider the weakest link?
- Stanley Clarke Band (jazz)
- Tom Jones
- Slash
- Bon Jovi

(I know Clarke is the least prominent of the four, but I’m a jazz fan and there are so few jazz performances in this corner of the planet most of the time…)

Of the four, I’d pass on Bon Jovi. Jon’s voice ain’t what it used to be, and Sambora isn’t in the band any more (even though his replacement, Phil X, is a hell of a guitarist). It’s slowly turning into JBJ and a bunch of guys.

Slash always has a really good band in tow, and Tom Jones and Stanley are well worth catching before they ride off into the sunset.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:19:33am

re: #215 William Lewis

One of the many reasons I love the game Warframe is that it is Canadian. Which means that it’s culturally different- the players are chill, helpful and pleasant to hang with. I don’t think I have seen anyone really get “salty” like in Overwatch or other games.

My general rule of thumb is to avoid any game that is or has ambitions of becoming an “esport,” because the sort of egos that gravitate towards such quickly turn the environment toxic. Which has me worried now that Fallout 76 has played “follow the leader” in adopting a battle royale mode.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:21:56am

This is what insanity reads like:

Retarded Dotard: “He [Mueller] terminated the emails, he terminated all stuff between Strzok and Page, you know, they sung like you’ve never seen. Robert Mueller terminated their text messages together, he terminated them. They’re gone! And that’s illegal! That is a crime!”

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:22:47am

re: #219 Dr. Matt

This is what insanity reads like:

Retarded Dotard: “He [Mueller] terminated the emails, he terminated all stuff between Strzok and Page, you know, they sung like you’ve never seen. Robert Mueller terminated their text messages together, he terminated them. They’re gone! And that’s illegal! That is a crime!”

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:22:58am

re: #219 Dr. Matt

This is what insanity reads like:

Retarded Dotard: “He [Mueller] terminated the emails, he terminated all stuff between Strzok and Page, you know, they sung like you’ve never seen. Robert Mueller terminated their text messages together, he terminated them. They’re gone! And that’s illegal! That is a crime!”

You know, if Donny ate more fiber, he wouldn’t have so many difficult shits in the morning.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:23:18am

re: #186 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Well said. I would add that Thatcher’s input into the Troubles exacerbated the disconnect with the IRA and moved the issue in the wrong direction to solve to protestant/catholic problems.

Definitely. She hurt the peace process in Ireland.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:24:59am

re: #217 makeitstop

Of the four, I’d pass on Bon Jovi. Jon’s voice ain’t what it used to be, and Sambora isn’t in the band any more (even though his replacement, Phil X, is a hell of a guitarist). It’s slowly turning into JBJ and a bunch of guys.

Slash always has a really good band in tow, and Tom Jones and Stanley are well worth catching before they ride off into the sunset.

Agreed 100% on Bon Jovi. I saw them several times over the years when they were Bon Jovi as well as today’s version. The current inception is “Jon Bon Jovi performing Bon Jovi”.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:25:43am

Faux is already starting in on the “MUELLER IS A LIAR!” bit now that he’s been confirmed to appear, setting the stage for when he actually does show up before Congress and gets bombarded with screams of “DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED?!” from the GOP.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:26:04am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

How much overlap is there between gamer and incel culture?

Dunno. I’m not into multiplayer online gaming. I play Madden and every once in awhile a single player game with a compelling story mostly.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:27:02am

“He terminated the emails”

L O L

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:27:54am

Seems Donny can’t tell the difference between Comey and Mueller anymore, they’ve merged into this all-powerful demon that he feels is trying to rob him of his presidency.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:28:46am

re: #223 Dr. Matt

Agreed 100% on Bon Jovi. I saw them several times over the years when they were Bon Jovi as well as today’s version. The current inception is “Jon Bon Jovi performing Bon Jovi”.

Like “Ian Anderson performs Jethro Tull”?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:31:12am

re: #227 Targetpractice

Seems Donny can’t tell the difference between Comey and Mueller anymore, they’ve merged into this all-powerful demon that he feels is trying to rob him of his presidency.

The d-d-deep stare.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:31:52am

re: #220 Barefoot Grin

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Her facial expressions are priceless.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:38:27am

Retarder Dotard is now ranting about women’s soccer. SMH.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:38:51am

re: #231 Dr. Matt

Retarder Dotard is now ranting about women’s soccer. SMH.

I don’t wanna know.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:40:48am

re: #228 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Like “Ian Anderson performs Jethro Tull”?

I actually met Ian Anderson’s ‘stunt singer’ at a venue in Brooklyn - his job is to sing all the parts that Ian can’t sing any more.

Billy Joel also hired a local guy who fronts a BJ tribute band to be his stunt singer. The kid makes a good buck doing shows with Billy, and his tribute is now probably the most popular BJ tribute in the country.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:41:22am

re: #232 HappyWarrior

I don’t wanna know.

I was about to post the tweets, but decided they are just too sad and pathetic.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:42:22am

This phone interview is just like the others, a grand example of why his lawyers insisted on there being no less than two people in the room with him during every negotiation.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:44:12am

re: #234 Dr. Matt

I was about to post the tweets, but decided they are just too sad and pathetic.

He’s just a trash person.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:46:29am

Court papers: Man accused of building bomb in Lebanon County wanted to warn police of alien threat

The affidavit stated Oxenreider told police he wasn’t trying to hurt anyone but wanted to talk to them about things he has been experiencing. He told investigators he had gone to several agencies but no one would listen, the complaint said.

The complaint stated:

“The defendant related back in 2014 he had an encounter with a UFO ship and aliens. The defendant related the aliens told him that humans need to start being good people or else they were going to destroy the earth with a nuclear laser beam. The defendant related he has been trying to spread the advice the aliens had [given] him, but no one listens to him. The defendant related when he tells people about his alien encounter people say he is crazy.”

Police said they searched Oxenreider’s home and found materials similar to those used to make the explosive device.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:46:34am

re: #228 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Like “Ian Anderson performs Jethro Tull”?

Much like AC/DC these days seems to be more like “Angus Young and His Friends”.

Granted, not his fault, but really…..it’s time to hang it up.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:47:32am

re: #231 Dr. Matt

Retarder Dotard is now ranting about women’s soccer. SMH.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:49:00am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:49:54am

re: #238 Dr Lizardo

Much like AC/DC these days seems to be more like “Angus Young and His Friends”.

Granted, not his fault, but really…..it’s time to hang it up.

Yup. See Rush. They had enough respect for their music and fans and decided to hang it up because they realized aging is catching up.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:50:12am

re: #238 Dr Lizardo

Much like AC/DC these days seems to be more like “Angus Young and His Friends”.

Granted, not his fault, but really…..it’s time to hang it up.

They’re recording a new record, and outside of Angus’ nephew doing Malcolm’s job it’s the entire Brian Johnson lineup. So besides Axl doing that one tour with them, that’s not really a fair comparison.

I actually preferred Bon, but alas.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:50:20am

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

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Oh shut the fuck up, you whiner. Maybe if you actually treated people with respect, athletes would want to visit you. You know why there mostly weren’t issues when PoC athletes visited Bush? Because Bush wasn’t an asshole prick who thought athletes should worship him. He was a bad President but unlike you was capable of being a decent person.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:51:18am

re: #242 makeitstop

They’re recording a new record, and outside of Angus’ nephew doing Malcolm’s job it’s the entire Brian Johnson lineup. So besides Axl doing that one tour with them, that’s not really a fair comparison.

I actually preferred Bon, but alas.

I admit I was unaware of that. So Brian Johnson is back? That’s good to hear, though yes, Bon Scott is still missed by me.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:52:44am

re: #241 Dr. Matt

Yup. See at Rush. They had enough respect for their music and fans and decided to hang it up because they realized aging is catching up.

As compared to the Rolling Stones, who keep touring long after they could be mistaken for cadavers.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:55:53am

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

Women’s soccer player, @mPinoe, just stated that she is “not going to the F…ing White House if we win.” Other than the NBA, which now refuses to call owners, owners (please explain that I just got Criminal Justice Reform passed, Black unemployment is at the lowest level…
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 26, 2019

This is Sarah Palin-level word salad.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:55:57am

House panel votes to subpoena Kellyanne…

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:57:15am

re: #246 Dr. Matt

This is Sarah Palin-level word salad.

Can I get a little more ranch dressing with this word salad?

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2019 • 7:58:42am

re: #244 Dr Lizardo

I admit I was unaware of that. So Brian Johnson is back? That’s good to hear, though yes, Bon Scott is still missed by me.

Yep, everyone save poor Mal are back. I’m hearing that it won’t disappoint the fans, but we’ll see.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:00:08am

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

Women’s soccer player, M Pinoe, just stated that she is “not going to the F…ing White House if we win.” Other than the NBA, which now refuses to call owners, owners (please explain that I just got Criminal Justice Reform passed, Black unemployment is at the lowest level…

Whatever laws you pass (or claim to) you are still a crude, misogynistic bigot.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:00:32am

(CNN)Eric Trump, son of President Donald Trump, said Tuesday he was spat on by an employee at a Chicago-area restaurant.

“It was purely a disgusting act by somebody who clearly has emotional problems,” the President’s third child told conservative site Breitbart News by phone Tuesday evening. The Chicago Police Department was on the scene and assisted Secret Service, per CPD spokesman Anthony Guglielmi.

“CPD was on scene and assisting the United States Secret Service with a law enforcement matter. Any and all inquiries regarding a federal protectee must be directed to the Secret Service,” Guglielmi tweeted.

A United States Secret Service spokesperson declined to comment to CNN, and did not respond to inquiries on whether charges had been filed.


Eric Trump cast blame for the incident, which took place at upscale cocktail bar and restaurant Aviary, more broadly on the Democratic Party.


“For a party that preaches tolerance, this once again demonstrates they have very little civility. When somebody is sick enough to resort to spitting on someone, it just emphasizes a sickness and desperation and the fact that we’re winning,” he told Breitbart.

Your dad rapes women and is killing kids in concentration camps.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:00:59am

re: #248 Targetpractice

Can I get a little more ranch dressing with this word salad?

Russian dressing or thousand indictment?

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:01:32am

Donnie Retarded conflates the White House and the Flag. Asshole.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:02:17am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:02:38am

re: #251 Eclectic Cyborg

(CNN)Eric Trump, son of President Donald Trump, said Tuesday he was spat on by an employee at a Chicago-area restaurant.

“It was purely a disgusting act by somebody who clearly has emotional problems,” the President’s third child told conservative site Breitbart News by phone Tuesday evening. The Chicago Police Department was on the scene and assisted Secret Service, per CPD spokesman Anthony Guglielmi.

“CPD was on scene and assisting the United States Secret Service with a law enforcement matter. Any and all inquiries regarding a federal protectee must be directed to the Secret Service,” Guglielmi tweeted.

A United States Secret Service spokesperson declined to comment to CNN, and did not respond to inquiries on whether charges had been filed.


Eric Trump cast blame for the incident, which took place at upscale cocktail bar and restaurant Aviary, more broadly on the Democratic Party.


“For a party that preaches tolerance, this once again demonstrates they have very little civility. When somebody is sick enough to resort to spitting on someone, it just emphasizes a sickness and desperation and the fact that we’re winning,” he told Breitbart.

Your dad rapes women and is killing kids in concentration camps.

I don’t condone spitting on him but fuck him. My tolerance is reserved for people who deserve it.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:03:54am

Grifting the rubes by defying the librul ban on these sacred objects.

Alabama car dealership offers free shotgun, Bible and American flag to customers

A rural Alabama car dealership is giving away a Bible, a 12-gauge shotgun and an American flag with the purchase of any new or used vehicle as part of its Fourth of July sales promotion.

Chatom Ford, a dealership in Chatom, Ala., went viral for its “God, Guns and Freedom” campaign that is running until July 31. The dealership’s general manager Koby Palmer talks about the offer in a Facebook video that now has more than 60,000 views. In the video, Palmer cocks his rifle [sic] in one hand and holds a Bible in the other while standing in front of a pick-up with an American flag draped over its tailgate.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:05:21am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

I don’t condone spitting on him but fuck him. My tolerance is reserved for people who deserve it.

Given the chance, I would take it.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:05:29am

re: #249 makeitstop

Yep, everyone save poor Mal are back. I’m hearing that it won’t disappoint the fans, but we’ll see.

Not much anyone can do about Mal (may he RIP), but good to hear the rest of the band is back together.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:07:10am

re: #232 HappyWarrior

I don’t wanna know.

they don’t want to go to the fucking White House.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:08:07am

re: #256 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Grifting the rubes by defying the librul ban on these sacred objects.

Alabama car dealership offers free shotgun, Bible and American flag to customers

I’m surprised he’s not offering a Confederate flag…

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:08:20am

Has he started slobbering yet??

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:09:13am

re: #208 I Would Prefer Not To

I hate it when this guy is on the money….

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supposedly, this is the reason Trump likes fast food so much. They’re making massive quantities, it’s standardized, the counter staff and/or fry cooks don’t know whose is which…

So apparently this has been a problem for him for decades.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:09:17am

re: #260 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m surprised he’s not offering a Confederate flag…

those are reserved for his prime customers, along with the hood bearing the Celtic cross

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gocart mozart  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:12:02am
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gocart mozart  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:12:23am
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sagehen  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:14:15am

re: #209 steve_davis

not sure how I feel about reparations. My Pennsylvania great-great uncles fought in a war to destroy slavery. I think we did our part. I also really, really don’t want to pay for someone else’s stupid student loan decisions, thank you very much.

My feeling about reparations is that it should be limited to 20th-century offenses.

Red-lining and other kinds of state-sanctioned housing discrimination, stable middle-class black neighborhoods being bulldozed to make room for a highway that serves whites-only suburbs, massive resistance to school desegregation, the way WWII GI-Bill benefits elevated an entire generation of white men & their families while black men & their families were excluded…

These were recent enough that there’s a great many living witnesses, living perpetrators, living victims, and substantial documentation proving that it was a deliberate federal and/or state policy.

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:15:41am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

A Florida prosecutor is deciding whether to pursue charges against a woman who turned in her husband’s guns to local police while he was in jail on a domestic violence charge.

hint: don’t

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:18:51am

re: #1 The Vicious Babushka

CL’ed from downstairs:

WE ARE HOME!

Actually we got home 5 hours ago but I had to unpack, go shopping, eat dinner, wash the dirty clothes, watch Cody’s Showdy for the entire 1 hr & 10 minutes of Baby Whiplash Destroyin’ and then read that thread and then the other one.

All caught up now!

really? like all that stuff couldnt have waited?

hurt you didnt walk into the house, drop everything and start posting immediately

//

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austin_blue  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:19:02am

re: #217 makeitstop

Of the four, I’d pass on Bon Jovi. Jon’s voice ain’t what it used to be, and Sambora isn’t in the band any more (even though his replacement, Phil X, is a hell of a guitarist). It’s slowly turning into JBJ and a bunch of guys.

Slash always has a really good band in tow, and Tom Jones and Stanley are well worth catching before they ride off into the sunset.

Stanley Clarke, no doubt.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:19:54am

re: #209 steve_davis

not sure how I feel about reparations. My Pennsylvania great-great uncles fought in a war to destroy slavery. I think we did our part. I also really, really don’t want to pay for someone else’s stupid student loan decisions, thank you very much.

1. They really shouldn’t have to make decisions about how to pay for college.
2. (And this is the big one) You are paying for both of those every day of your life, with interest, until we solve it.

Think of it this way: Which is cheaper, paying for your house up front, or with a loan? Up front right? And you would actually be cheaper to your employers if you didn’t have to pay the interest on your house loan. The same thing happens with college loans. Not only are you going to pay for the services of a doctor, you’re also paying for the interest on the loans to get through school.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:21:04am

re: #213 Scottish Dragon

Wingnuts are in full meltdown over the Wayfair Walkout.

And I pay taxes in part so that the government can take care of people who need help.

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:22:07am

re: #228 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Like “Ian Anderson performs Jethro Tull”?

Trivia tangent: I only found out when watching Norman Reedus’ biker show that… Ian Anderson is Andrew Lincoln’s father-in-law.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:22:15am

re: #209 steve_davis

not sure how I feel about reparations. My Pennsylvania great-great uncles fought in a war to destroy slavery. I think we did our part. I also really, really don’t want to pay for someone else’s stupid student loan decisions, thank you very much.

Reparations are not just about slavery as mentioned above.

As for those student loan decisions, I was lucky to graduate without debt with the aid of Social Security, BEOG funding and cheap in-state tuition. Part-time student jobs dishwashing or working in the library helped cover the rest.

University tuition has increased at a rate of something like 300% over inflation, there is something wrong with that. I would support a plan to forgive some or all outstanding debt.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:24:10am

OK, I really haven’t been paying that close attention to Dotard’s latest ‘respect the flag nonsense. I though Megan Rapinoe, of the US womens socccer team, had kneeled during the national anthem.
I’ve just now learned that the orange moron is actually complaining because she hasn’t been putting her hand over her heart and singing along to the anthem. (something she has been doing for several years now actually)
Really?
Really?
We’ve got who knows how many kids be stored like they’re in a puppy mill, possible conflict with Iran looming, denuclearization talks with North Korea ground to a halt, moronic trade policies slowly strangling industries, and this damn twit is upset because someone isn’t singing the damn national anthem?

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calochortus  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:24:26am

re: #266 sagehen

My feeling about reparations is that it should be limited to 20th-century offenses.

Red-lining and other kinds of state-sanctioned housing discrimination, stable middle-class black neighborhoods being bulldozed to make room for a highway that serves whites-only suburbs, massive resistance to school desegregation, the way WWII GI-Bill benefits elevated an entire generation of white men & their families while black men & their families were excluded…

These were recent enough that there’s a great many living witnesses, living perpetrators, living victims, and substantial documentation proving that it was a deliberate federal and/or state policy.

The easy part is supporting education and services for the population as a whole. The sticky part is what to do about the wealth gap that is the result of the policies you listed.

I have grave doubts about just writing checks to people (regardless of race, religion, or national origin) who have no experience with handling large sums of money. I’ve seen too many people blow the money grandma left them. (See also: lottery winners) And yet, there is no question that they’ve been denied money that has been available to whites for generations.
But, we probably won’t do either.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:27:16am
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wrenchwench  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:28:21am

re: #275 calochortus

The easy part is supporting education and services for the population as a whole. The sticky part is what to do about the wealth gap that is the result of the policies you listed.

I have grave doubts about just writing checks to people (regardless of race, religion, or national origin) who have no experience with handling large sums of money. I’ve seen too many people blow the money grandma left them. (See also: lottery winners) And yet, there is no question that they’ve been denied money that has been available to whites for generations.
But, we probably won’t do either.

First thing to be offered free to the masses: financial education. Put it in the school curricula.

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calochortus  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:29:45am

re: #277 wrenchwench

First thing to be offered free to the masses: financial education. Put it in the school curricula.

Yeah, but money is like sex-you don’t want the ebil government to tell children about it!
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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:30:37am

re: #273 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Reparations are not just about slavery as mentioned above.

As for those student loan decisions, I was lucky to graduate without debt with the aid of Social Security, BEOG funding and cheap in-state tuition. Part-time student jobs dishwashing or working in the library helped cover the rest.

University tuition has increased at a rate of something like 300% over inflation, there is something wrong with that. I would support a plan to forgive some or all outstanding debt.

tuitions have increased partially for the same reason medical costs have increased partially

because they payment mechanism has been decoupled from the original purchase decision and with it the evaluation of its value.

“insurance will cover it”

also why people buy more house or car than they need - it’s only $X a month

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:31:32am

re: #274 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

OK, I really haven’t been paying that close attention to Dotard’s latest ‘respect the flag nonsense. I though Megan Rapinoe, of the US womens socccer team, had kneeled during the national anthem.
I’ve just now learned that the orange moron is actually complaining because she hasn’t been putting her hand over her heart and singing along to the anthem. (something she has been doing for several years now actually)
Really?
Really?
We’ve got who knows how many kids be stored like they’re in a puppy mill, possible conflict with Iran looming, denuclearization talks with North Korea ground to a halt, moronic trade policies slowly strangling industries, and this damn twit is upset because someone isn’t singing the damn national anthem?

he’s the president so she’s not singing to him. QED

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:32:52am

re: #276 The Vicious Babushka

What the fucking fuck do those questions Cruz is asking have to do with anything?

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:34:37am

The US has done reparations before.

Japanese Americans interred during WWII.
Native Americans for centuries of mistreatment (some of which is still ongoing).
Pigford litigation.

They can do so again. It would take a bunch of genealogical work, but you could figure out a fund and compensation amount to those whose ancestors were enslaved.

It isn’t controversial to do reparations. What apparently is controversial is that some people think that making African Americans whole for the damage and treatment done for centuries of brutality, racism, violence, and enslavement is somehow not warranted or too costly.

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Mattand  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:34:47am

re: #214 Targetpractice

You’ve a company that, by the logic I’m seeing expressed, is aimed at a largely male demographic. And a spokesperson for that company comes out and screams that the customer base for that product are “trash.” A customer base that did not respond by having a public discussion about why she made such a statement, but instead ramped up the abuse and attacked her in various ways. What do you believe the company should have done?

From what I read, she immediately “hashtag not all men” after her initial statement. You know, the one where she was upset about being sexually harassed. She then posted an apology.

As for Razer: fuck that “most of our base are male gamers and their fee-fees were hurt” bullshit. That’s basically saying “Yeah, we’re in business with some serious pro-level misogynists and we really want their money.”

They literally saw a representative of theirs get attacked online, had a frustrated human reaction, and then threw her under the bus. I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess no women are in power positions at Razer.

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:34:54am

re: #278 calochortus

Yeah, but money is like sex-you don’t want the ebil government to tell children about it!
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…you dont miss it till you dont have any

i used to say it this way in scuba class re air: you dont miss it till you’re not getting any

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:35:11am

re: #279 DangerMan

tuitions have increased partially for the same reason medical costs have increased partially

because they payment mechanism has been decoupled from the original purchase decision and with it the evaluation of its value.

My in-state tuition was around $300 per semester. I do not know how much of the actual cost of my education was subsidized, but I suspect that share has decreased over the past 40 years

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:35:34am

re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg

What the fucking fuck do those questions Cruz is asking have to do with anything?

Aren’t Google employees individuals who make their own individual decisions about which political candidate they support? It has nothing to do with where they work.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:35:50am

re: #274 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

OK, I really haven’t been paying that close attention to Dotard’s latest ‘respect the flag nonsense. I though Megan Rapinoe, of the US womens socccer team, had kneeled during the national anthem.
I’ve just now learned that the orange moron is actually complaining because she hasn’t been putting her hand over her heart and singing along to the anthem. (something she has been doing for several years now actually)
Really?
Really?
We’ve got who knows how many kids be stored like they’re in a puppy mill, possible conflict with Iran looming, denuclearization talks with North Korea ground to a halt, moronic trade policies slowly strangling industries, and this damn twit is upset because someone isn’t singing the damn national anthem?

He’s deflecting from all those crises/failures by changing the story. Media coverage is focusing on what he says, not what his admin is doing. That’s the entire point of this.

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:37:50am

re: #270 Belafon

1. They really shouldn’t have to make decisions about how to pay for college.
2. (And this is the big one) You are paying for both of those every day of your life, with interest, until we solve it.

Think of it this way: Which is cheaper, paying for your house up front, or with a loan? Up front right? And you would actually be cheaper to your employers if you didn’t have to pay the interest on your house loan. The same thing happens with college loans. Not only are you going to pay for the services of a doctor, you’re also paying for the interest on the loans to get through school.

My parents’ undergrad degrees were free; summer jobs and GI Bill and mom working paid for dad’s med school.

Which meant that when he got his MD they had zero debt, plus enough cash on hand to buy a car and drive cross-country to where his internship was, rent a decent house, and mom could stay home with newborn twins while he was doing his internship. I was born the year he finished his residency.

So the day he passed his Boards and could go into private practice, they could start right away saving for a down payment on a house, which they then of course furnished. None of that economic activity (times however many of their generation had the same circumstances) would have occurred if they’d had to spend the next 20 years paying off loans.

(and the govt did ultimately get their money back, in the form of 40 years highest-bracket income tax. Plus of course it was a useful thing for society at large to have another doctor existing and doing his job).

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:38:26am

JFC

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:38:27am

What the utter fuck:

When Beronica Ruiz went to pick up her 12-year-old son from school in Passaic, N.J., last week, it wasn’t the first time that day she needed to be there. Hours earlier, Ruiz and her husband had met with the school’s vice principal over concerns that their son was threatened by other students who allegedly chanted “All Mexicans should go back behind the wall,” the family’s attorney told The Washington Post.

The New Jersey couple were upset the school didn’t inform them about the taunts but left the June 19 meeting feeling “somewhat reassured” after the vice principal said he would contact the students and their parents, said Daniel Santiago, the lawyer.

But as Ruiz, who was pushing her 1-year-old daughter in a stroller, walked home from Passaic Gifted and Talented Academy School No. 20 with her son that afternoon, the boy noticed they weren’t alone. Three boys trailed behind — and he recognized them.

Moments later, a 13-year-old boy allegedly attacked. Santiago said the boy first punched Ruiz’s son in the face. When the 35-year-old mother tried to step in, the teen hit her and “threw her to the ground,” causing her to lose consciousness, Santiago said.

Ruiz was hospitalized for two days after the alleged beating, which left her with facial fractures and a concussion, Santiago said.

washingtonpost.com

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:39:29am

re: #271 Belafon

And I pay taxes in part so that the government can take care of people who need help.

When I had my cataract surgeries last year, I did not know that the nurse anesthetist wasn’t in network - so I got socked for a 4-figure charge.

A nurse anesthetist - WTF?

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:42:06am

re: #291 Eric The Fruit Bat

When I had my cataract surgeries last year, I did not know that the nurse anesthetist wasn’t in network - so I got socked for a 4-figure charge.

A nurse anesthetist - WTF?

Nurse anesthetists have at least a masters degree and maybe even a doctorate in nursing(DNP), so you can get hit real hard on fees.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:42:18am

re: #283 Mattand

From what I read, she immediately “hashtag not all men” after her initial statement. You know, the one where she was upset about being sexually harassed. She then posted an apology.

As for Razer: fuck that “most of our base are male gamers and their fee-fees were hurt” bullshit. That’s basically saying “Yeah, we’re in business with some serious pro-level misogynists and we really want their money.”

They literally saw a representative of theirs get attacked online, had a frustrated human reaction, and then threw her under the bus. I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess no women are in power positions at Razer.

Well, I can be pretty sure I’m not going out on much of a limb when I speculate that nobody here has any financial stake in the outcome of this mess besides future decisions about where we buy computer equipment from. So that it’s easy for us to take a hard stance for or against Razer’s actions without worrying that anyone we know will suffer the consequences.

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:44:10am

re: #285 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My in-state tuition was around $300 per semester. I do not know how much of the actual cost of my education was subsidized, but I suspect that share has decreased over the past 40 years

In the late 90’s, my tuition at Long Beach State went from about $1200/semester to about $850/semester (sadly books were still too damn expensive). It was the dotcom boom and the state was flush with cash. Rather than use the extra money to strengthen and expand the system (knowing full well it was already straining then), they kept cutting tuition rates. I mean, I appreciated it at the time because it meant I was student loan debt free when I graduated, but it wasn’t the most foresight by the state.

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:48:02am

re: #291 Eric The Fruit Bat

When I had my cataract surgeries last year, I did not know that the nurse anesthetist wasn’t in network - so I got socked for a 4-figure charge.

A nurse anesthetist - WTF?

- almost no one makes a purchasing decision/evaluation when it comes to healthcare
- second opinions, sure

- but even if you got a breakdown of all costs in advance (if there was time) you’re not gonna be able to say to your surgeon - “get a different anesthetist”, or whatever.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:48:11am

re: #294 KGxvi

In the late 90’s, my tuition at Long Beach State went from about $1200/semester to about $850/semester (sadly books were still too damn expensive). It was the dotcom boom and the state was flush with cash. Rather than use the extra money to strengthen and expand the system (knowing full well it was already straining then), they kept cutting tuition rates. I mean, I appreciated it at the time because it meant I was student loan debt free when I graduated, but it wasn’t the most foresight by the state.

Which was mirrored years later when the Housing Bubble led states to assume that their tax revenues would just continue to remain high and so spent money they didn’t have on shit they didn’t need, then went bust as soon as the Recession hit.

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Mattand  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:48:58am

re: #293 Targetpractice

Well, I can be pretty sure I’m not going out on much of a limb when I speculate that nobody here has any financial stake in the outcome of this mess besides future decisions about where we buy computer equipment from. So that it’s easy for us to take a hard stance for or against Razer’s actions without worrying that anyone we know will suffer the consequences.

Sure. Or Razer could back up the woman they chose to represent them, instead of collapsing like a house of cards because MISANDRY!!!!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:50:03am

12:40 AM EDT

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:51:45am

2-year-olds can just get up and walk out and go wherever they want!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:52:53am

re: #295 DangerMan

- but even if you got a breakdown of all costs in advance (if there was time) you’re not gonna be able to say to your surgeon - “get a different anesthetist”, or whatever.

No kidding. At least the next time I require anesthesia I’ll throw them under the bus if they aren’t in network - and since I live in a one hospital town, having them scramble would be good enough just to see them flummoxed.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:54:02am

“Just kidding” which is what he says when he is totally serious.

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calochortus  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:54:38am

re: #299 The Vicious Babushka

2-year-olds can just get up and walk out and go wherever they want!

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If that were true it would be another example of neglect. You just don’t let a toddler in your care walk out the door. And I’m sure these facilities do have locks.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:55:12am

re: #290 Scottish Dragon

What the utter fuck:

washingtonpost.com

This is what Trump has done to this country.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:57:20am

re: #299 The Vicious Babushka

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:59:02am

re: #304 lawhawk

We’ve spent well over $100 million on Trumps golfing trips but of course Jordan is upset about the $35 million spent on the Mueller inquiry.

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2019 • 8:59:57am

re: #296 Targetpractice

Which was mirrored years later when the Housing Bubble led states to assume that their tax revenues would just continue to remain high and so spent money they didn’t have on shit they didn’t need, then went bust as soon as the Recession hit.

California was smart enough to create a rainy day fund after the dotcom bubble burst. One of the side effects of the stupidity known as balanced budget amendments…

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:01:34am

re: #297 Mattand

Sure. Or Razer could back up the woman they chose to represent them, instead of collapsing like a house of cards because MISANDRY!!!!

What happened to her is not much different from the numerous people who’ve been fired for slagging their companies/bosses/customers on social media.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:04:49am

Proxy election yesterday in Queens, NY.

The race was for the Queens DA, to fill a seat vacated by the passing of Richard Brown.

It’s too close to call with 99% votes in and will go to a recount, but Melinda Katz appears to have lost to Tiffany Cabán. Cabán had backing of the likes of the progressives who launched AOC, AOC herself, Warren, Sanders, and the NYT. Katz has been a fixture in NY politics for years (she had been in the Assembly and then the Borough President) and had backing of several prominent African American leaders, including Rep. Meeks (who became the county leader after AOC beat Crowley).

Katz hasn’t conceded. Cabán is acting as the winner, and expect a recount, and absentee ballots to be counted, which could sway the total.

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calochortus  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:05:10am

re: #307 Targetpractice

What happened to her is not much different from the numerous people who’ve been fired for slagging their companies/bosses/customers on social media.

Possibly, but that doesn’t make it right. Also, it strikes me that had this been a black person, or LBGT, or a member of whatever disadvantaged group rather than a woman, it might be seen a bit differently. Make no mistake, misogyny is real.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:05:56am
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Mattand  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:08:03am

re: #307 Targetpractice

What happened to her is not much different from the numerous people who’ve been fired for slagging their companies/bosses/customers on social media.

Yep. Because all those other people were let go because they had an angry reaction to being sexually harassed.

You’re treading on false balance territory.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:08:07am

He [will be] running:

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BlueGrl21  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:08:35am

re: #53 Joe Bacon 🌹

Fella it’s been that way since 1980 when Reagan gladly let the Xtians into the GOP!

So, does this include Christians who don’t belong to an organized church or denomination, like me?

When we say, “Christians,” does that include MLK and other Christians who have used their faith to fight for social justice? What about the fact that Southern Baptists fought the AME for years and many still do? Do we lump MLK with Falwell Jr.?

The body of “Christiantity” is a bit more nuanced, gentlemen.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:09:54am

re: #309 calochortus

Possibly, but that doesn’t make it right. Also, it strikes me that had this been a black person, or LBGT, or a member of whatever disadvantaged group rather than a woman, it might be seen a bit differently. Make no mistake, misogyny is real.

Honestly, I wouldn’t view it differently. She was hired/recruited by Razer as a “social influencer,” i.e. her job is to use social media and streaming services to promote the company’s products in exchange for sponsorship and free gear. In other words, what she did was the digital equivalent of those videos we’ve seen of white employees yelling at minority customers for entering their establishment. There are various ways she could have handled the matter and she chose poorly.

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calochortus  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:11:52am

re: #314 Targetpractice

Honestly, I wouldn’t view it differently. She was hired/recruited by Razer as a “social influencer,” i.e. her job is to use social media and streaming services to promote the company’s products in exchange for sponsorship and free gear. In other words, what she did was the digital equivalent of those videos we’ve seen of white employees yelling at minority customers for entering their establishment. There are various ways she could have handled the matter and she chose poorly.

I have only seen what has been posted here, but I would say it was more like she was the minority store clerk who was taunted/threatened by the white customers and yelled at them for it.

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calochortus  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:12:42am

re: #314 Targetpractice

Honestly, I wouldn’t view it differently. She was hired/recruited by Razer as a “social influencer,” i.e. her job is to use social media and streaming services to promote the company’s products in exchange for sponsorship and free gear. In other words, what she did was the digital equivalent of those videos we’ve seen of white employees yelling at minority customers for entering their establishment. There are various ways she could have handled the matter and she chose poorly.

I think you’re missing the societal balance of power in this situation.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:13:18am

re: #313 BlueGrl21

So, does this include Christians who don’t belong to an organized church or denomination, like me?

When we say, “Christians,” does that include MLK and other Christians who have used their faith to fight for social justice? What about the fact that Southern Baptists fought the AME for years and many still do? Do we lump MLK with Falwell Jr.?

The body of “Christiantity” is a bit more nuanced, gentlemen.

The original statement was about how Christians have broken towards the GOP since Reagan. Obvious, not every Christian has voted for the GOP, but a large part of those who identify as Christians, especially evangelicals, have.

Edite: Gramr, what is it?

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:13:42am

re: #311 Mattand

Yep. Because all those other people were let go because they had an angry reaction to being sexually harassed.

You’re treading on false balance territory.

You’re right, I should have actually spoken in terms of what’s happened. She hasn’t been “let go,” she’s been informed by Razer that her contract will not be renewed. Much like Jeremy Clarkson after he punched a producer, they have made the decision to simply allow her contract to run out.

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Mattand  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:14:56am

re: #318 Targetpractice

You’re right, I should have actually spoken in terms of what’s happened. She hasn’t been “let go,” she’s been informed by Razer that her contract will not be renewed. Much like Jeremy Clarkson after he punched a producer, they have made the decision to simply allow her contract to run out.

re: #316 calochortus

I think you’re missing the societal balance of power in this situation.

What Calochortus said.

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:15:16am

re: #300 Eric The Fruit Bat

No kidding. At least the next time I require anesthesia I’ll throw them under the bus if they aren’t in network - and since I live in a one hospital town, having them scramble would be good enough just to see them flummoxed.

the idea that any medical care other than ‘routine doctor visits’ can be managed, distributed and led by the ‘invisible hand’ is ludicrous for dozens of limiting reasons.

- people don’t make a separate buying decision on each and every aspect of care
- if they’re even conscious, most of the time they’re not making a financial decision at all

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:16:32am

re: #302 calochortus

If that were true it would be another example of neglect. You just don’t let a toddler in your care walk out the door. And I’m sure these facilities do have locks.

they are not free to leave

the ‘guards’ administer “punishments”

they are jails

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:17:27am

re: #316 calochortus

I think you’re missing the societal balance of power in this situation.

So the company owes her a contract because of her gender?

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:19:18am

House Freedom Caucus reading the full report? Not likely…

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:20:11am

re: #303 Eclectic Cyborg

This is what Trump has done to this country.

he’s not only given them license to do this stuff
he’s proven they can get away with it, and showed them how

i know it’s a newspaper with high standards and all (//) but ‘alleged’??

the woman “i saw you”
her son “i saw you, i know you”

the defense: ‘that’s not proof. you just have an axe to grind against these kids”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:20:17am

re: #256 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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calochortus  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:22:52am

re: #322 Targetpractice

So the company owes her a contract because of her gender?

That would not be the point.
A company has chosen not to support someone who has been promoting their company who has been been attacked by their customers. I’m sure it is perfectly legal to let her go. That does not make it right.

I may be misinterpreting your posts, but what I’m hearing is, “Yeah, she was treated poorly, but there’s money involved here, so that’s more important.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:23:44am

re: #321 DangerMan

they are not free to leave

the ‘guards’ administer “punishments”

they are jails

Simpsons: Marge escapes the Movementarians

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:24:55am

JFC on an electrified barbed wire tightrope on a unicycle juggling hand grenades over Mt. Doom.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:25:50am

For anyone who thinks Matt Taibbi had a shred of decency.

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:27:03am

re: #327 Eclectic Cyborg

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Video

love the reference to “The Prisoner”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:28:21am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:29:45am

re: #311 Mattand

Yep. Because all those other people were let go because they had an angry reaction to being sexually harassed.

You’re treading on false balance territory.

A cousin (who passed away a few months ago at age 102) had confided to my sister that when she was young and in the work force, she was assaulted by her employer. In those days, of course, a woman could say nothing — it is her reputation that would be damaged and no one would take such charges seriously. Too many men want to retain the power of women’s silence; the silence that E. Jean Carroll kept for 20 years. They revel in the ease with which men like Trump can continue to denigrate women; the gamer culture continues that tradition.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:30:03am

re: #331 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Again perfectly illustrating that he ONLY cares about himself.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:30:12am
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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:35:30am

re: #326 calochortus

That would not be the point.
A company has chosen not to support someone who has been promoting their company who has been been attacked by their customers. I’m sure it is perfectly legal to let her go. That does not make it right.

I may be misinterpreting your posts, but what I’m hearing is, “Yeah, she was treated poorly, but there’s money involved here, so that’s more important.”

She was treated poorly, she responded in kind, and the company decided that it was easier to cauterize the wound. Right or wrong from a societal standpoint, that’s what they did.

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:35:31am

re: #333 Eclectic Cyborg

Again perfectly illustrating that he ONLY cares about himself.

as if it were a choice in his case

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:38:19am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:40:31am

re: #337 Backwoods_Sleuth

What’s the point of having fucking insurance if it doesn’t cover prescriptions??? That’s what I most frequently use my coverage FOR.

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calochortus  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:42:17am

re: #335 Targetpractice

She was treated poorly, she responded in kind, and the company decided that it was easier to cauterize the wound. Right or wrong from a societal standpoint, that’s what they did.

I understand that’s what they did. I’m just saying it was wrong, and you don’t seem willing to make a judgement. Just because it is a small incident doesn’t mean it’s OK.

It is not something that happened in the US, and I’m not a gamer, so there really isn’t much I can or will do about it, so you can take this for whatever it’s worth.

In any event, I need to go do some stuff, and we’re not getting anywhere in this discussion, so I’ll drop it. You are welcome to the last word if you’d like.

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Mattand  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:43:58am

re: #335 Targetpractice

She was treated poorly, she responded in kind, and the company decided that it was easier to cauterize the wound. Right or wrong from a societal standpoint, that’s what they did.

Sorry, ladies. That’s the way things are, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:46:29am

Self-pity level: Insane

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:47:43am

re: #313 BlueGrl21

Fella it’s been that way since 1980 when Reagan gladly let the Xtians into the GOP!

So, does this include Christians who don’t belong to an organized church or denomination, like me?

Reagan let the Fundamentalist Christians believe he was on their side and ready to implement their agenda. Then when second wife Nancy’s house astrologer told her the starts were propitious, he tossed them aside.

They never forgot, and set about insinuating their people into every level of public life, education, government administration, the military, etc., to make sure they would not get tossed aside again.

Now they have their man a heart beat away from the presidency and are happy to keep him eating fast food.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:48:15am

re: #340 Mattand

Sorry, ladies. That’s the way things are, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I’d prefer a flat rule where no matter your gender, race, sexual preference, etc, if you disparage others then you’re cut loose. As much as I may think the current status quo is bad, I don’t believe the way to fix it is to promote or defend bad behavior.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:48:57am

re: #341 jaunte

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Self-pity level: Insane

Heartless son of a bitch.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:49:42am

Has he tested it on himself?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:50:13am

re: #323 darthstar

House Freedom Caucus reading the full report? Not likely…

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Don’t forget the pool boys And wrestlers especially for Gym Jordan!

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:50:18am

re: #344 makeitstop

Trump’s still too chickenshit to openly say he’s glad McCain is dead and hopes he’s in hell, but he’s happy to nudgenudge about it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:54:00am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:54:03am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:54:23am

re: #345 The Vicious Babushka

This is now the second time that Jim Bakker has claimed that the silver gel he sells on his program has been “proven to kill every venereal disease there is.”

Why have the FCC and the FDA not come down on him like a ton of bricks for repeating such claims on the air?

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Dread Pirate  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:55:31am

Chaos theory as foreign policy.

“That’s a bold move, Cotton. Let’s see how it plays out.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:58:34am
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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:58:36am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 26, 2019 • 9:58:47am
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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:00:28am

re: #354 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The Madness of King LaPierre seems to be picking up steam.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:00:36am

re: #354 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Chris Cox, the NRA’s No. 2 official and top lobbyist, has resigned after being accused of seeking to overthrown the group’s leader

Is that gunfire or popcorn popping?

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:00:59am

re: #354 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Looks like LaPierre is engaging in a Stalinesque purge of the NRA. Guess he really doesn’t want to lose that wardrobe budget.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:01:32am

re: #348 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Bullshit.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:01:56am

re: #338 Eclectic Cyborg

What’s the point of having fucking insurance if it doesn’t cover prescriptions??? That’s what I most frequently use my coverage FOR.

Combine that with Trump/GOP position on preexisting conditions (which affect 25% of the population and everyone knows someone with at least one), and the GOP mantra is fuck you.

That’s it.

Just fuck you.

They’re out to screw everyone who needs health coverage, and to give insurers the ability to medically induce bankruptcies at a whim. Price transparency? Yeah, it wont mean anything if the insurers can jack up their prices or choose not to cover drugs in their formularies, despite the effectiveness of those drugs.

Meanwhile, drug companies can reformulate generics and jack up the prices on those endlessly (as they’ve done with insulin), and can do with epipens.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:02:32am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:02:49am
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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:04:05am

re: #357 Dr Lizardo

Looks like LaPierre is engaging in a Stalinesque purge of the NRA. Guess he really doesn’t want to lose that wardrobe budget.

My guess is that when the real coup to remove him happens, he’ll find that he purged every single one of his potential allies.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:04:20am

Justice Department lawyer defends herself after viral video on child migrant treatment

“I think that many many people believe I was in court Tuesday arguing against providing certain hygiene items to kids,” Fabian writes, adding later: “I do not believe that’s the position I was representing.”

Oh, honey, you’re on fucking video saying exactly that.

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Teddy's Person  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:05:23am

re: #76 Anymouse 🌹

Dana Loesch’s pinned tweet:

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Good thing she has Super Beets to fall back on.

Dana’s too busy bending the knee to mammon.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:06:07am

re: #361 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

Cindy McCain will get right on that once he calls that ACA a concentration camp.

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:06:14am

re: #350 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Why have the FCC and the FDA not come down on him like a ton of bricks for repeating such claims on the air?

the same way all quackery gets away with it:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:06:54am

The Air Force is investigating an airman who last week posted videos of himself, in uniform, denouncing gay people as “sodomites,” “pedophiles,” “roaches” and “vermin scum,” among other slurs.

The unidentified airman, who posted videos on YouTube under the name “Baptist Dave 1611” before taking down his account over the weekend, also voiced support for Grayson Fritts, a controversial Baptist pastor in Knoxville, Tennessee, and his views supporting the execution of gay people in the nearly 11-minute video.

“The sodomites, the homos, they do all their filthy acts in the dark of night where no one can see them,” the airman said. “When you get these perverts on their own, they flee like cockroaches, like the roaches they are, the vermin scum, the pedophiles that they are.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:07:07am

re: #361 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Dunno why they’re stunned. This is how he acts.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:07:22am

re: #345 The Vicious Babushka

Has he tested it on himself?

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Considering his kinky past I wouldn’t be surprised if he did!

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:07:28am

re: #366 DangerMan

the same way all quackery gets away with it:

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Yep…..as long as that little disclaimer is on the packaging or product, then it’s more or less legal. Highly unethical, to put it mildly, but not strictly illegal.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:07:29am

re: #363 makeitstop

Justice Department lawyer defends herself after viral video on child migrant treatment

Oh, honey, you’re on fucking video saying exactly that.

While it’s true it’s Trump’s—and not her—policy, she had a choice about whether to defend it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:07:53am

re: #367 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Dave should look at joining ISIS. They share the same views on gay people.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:08:27am

re: #367 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Isn’t the Air Force Academy infested with Bible-thumpers?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:08:51am

re: #363 makeitstop

Justice Department lawyer defends herself after viral video on child migrant treatment

Oh, honey, you’re on fucking video saying exactly that.

Except it was.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:09:02am

re: #363 makeitstop

Justice Department lawyer defends herself after viral video on child migrant treatment

Oh, honey, you’re on fucking video saying exactly that.

“Oh, you were talking about ‘those childen’. I thought you were taking about Latino kids.”
“We are. You denying basic supplies to migrants.”
“Exactly. As long as your not talking Latino children migrating, I think we’re in agreement.”
“We are talking about Latino children.”
“Yeah, but I’m talking about migrants.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:09:27am

re: #373 Dr Lizardo

Isn’t the Air Force Academy infested with Bible-thumpers?

Yeah Colorado Springs is wingnutty. I believe PLL was from there.

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:09:40am

re: #351 Dread Pirate

Chaos theory as foreign policy.

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“That’s a bold move, Cotton. Let’s see how it plays out.”

there is chaos
anyone who thinks this is an integral coherent ‘policy’, well there aint no plan

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:12:46am

wtff

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:12:50am

re: #351 Dread Pirate

Chaos theory as foreign policy.

[Embedded content]

“That’s a bold move, Cotton. Let’s see how it plays out.”

I hear chaos theory and the only thing that comes to mind is:

Life Finds A Way

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:13:29am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

Yeah Colorado Springs is wingnutty. I believe PLL was from there.

That’s what I thought.

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Targetpractice  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:13:45am

re: #367 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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If you’ve ever asked yourself how a democracy could turn into a fascist dictatorship, I present Exhibit #…#…fuck, I lost count.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:15:06am

This is not a “Peace Plan” it sounds more like a Ponzi scam shell game.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:17:46am

re: #308 lawhawk

Proxy election yesterday in Queens, NY.

The race was for the Queens DA, to fill a seat vacated by the passing of Richard Brown.

It’s too close to call with 99% votes in and will go to a recount, but Melinda Katz appears to have lost to Tiffany Cabán. Cabán had backing of the likes of the progressives who launched AOC, AOC herself, Warren, Sanders, and the NYT. Katz has been a fixture in NY politics for years (she had been in the Assembly and then the Borough President) and had backing of several prominent African American leaders, including Rep. Meeks (who became the county leader after AOC beat Crowley).

Katz hasn’t conceded. Cabán is acting as the winner, and expect a recount, and absentee ballots to be counted, which could sway the total.

From Daily Kos about her:

However, it was Cabán, who described herself as “a proud queer Latina” and said she was running “because I am frustrated and infuriated by the system within which we operate,” who attracted the most national attention. Cabán works as an attorney for the New York County Defender Services, and ran on a platform of prosecuting Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents “who exceed their authority” to detain undocumented immigrants residing in Queens.

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:18:33am

re: #377 DangerMan

there is chaos
anyone who thinks this is an integral coherent ‘policy’, well there aint no plan

Policies require strategy. Strategy requires critical thinking skills and discipline. These things are not Trump’s strong suit.

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:22:44am

re: #383 Belafon

a platform of prosecuting Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents “who exceed their authority” to detain undocumented immigrants residing in Queens.

I’m fairly certain that a state can’t prosecute federal law enforcement for exercising federal law enforcement powers, even if said federal law enforcement exceeds those powers. I think that requires action by the DOJ. I know any civil claim for acting under color of law or color of office would have to be in federal court

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:23:01am

re: #382 The Vicious Babushka

This is not a “Peace Plan” it sounds more like a Ponzi scam shell game.

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from which they will skim off the top

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:24:32am
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:24:44am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

Yeah Colorado Springs is wingnutty. I believe PLL was from there.

That anti-gay preacher who got caught doing meth with a gay prostitute…Hagard?

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:26:23am

So, interestingly, the infamous “The_Donald” subreddit just got quarantined.

I’m genuinely surprised - happened about a half hour ago. Most Redditors are of the view that quarantining is the step prior to the banhammer coming down.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:27:11am

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:28:23am

re: #381 Targetpractice

If you’ve ever asked yourself how a democracy could turn into a fascist dictatorship, I present Exhibit #…#…fuck, I lost count.

Sinclair Lewis showed it in his 1935 classic “It Can’t Happen Here”.
.
A couple weekends ago, I made an impulse purchase at the Printers Row Lit Fest of a book that I had never heard of — Loewen’s “Lies My Teacher Told Me”. The book serves as a counterweight to the laudatory histories we were taught in previous generations — it discusses in detail the crimes committed since Columbus sailed here — that we were actually never really quite as “great” as we thought — a country founded on genocide and slavery of the original inhabitants, on slavery of Africans, on wars against other nations in our hemisphere and elsewhere. Yes — the book does not provide a balanced view because its efforts were to show the flaws in histories we have. Shortly before I retired last year, I engaged in a discussion with another actuary who bemoaned how her children were not learning how great this country was —- it is clear that too many only want the origin myths and not the reality.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:30:00am

re: #389 Dr Lizardo

And here’s why The_Donald subreddit got quarantined - this is from the Reddit Admins.

Dear Mods,

We want to let you know that your community has been quarantined, as outlined in Reddit’s Content Policy.

The reason for the quarantine is that over the last few months we have observed repeated rule-breaking behavior in your community and an over-reliance on Reddit admins to manage users and remove posts that violate our content policy, including content that encourages or incites violence. Most recently, we have observed this behavior in the form of encouragement of violence towards police officers and public officials in Oregon. This is not only in violation of our site-wide policies, but also your own community rules (rule #9). You can find violating content that we removed in your mod logs.

As we have discussed in the past, and as detailed in our content policy and moderator guidelines, we expect you to enforce against rule-breaking content. You’ve made progress over the last year, but we continue to observe and take action on a disproportionate amount of rule-breaking behavior in this community. We recognize that you do remove posts that are reported, but we are troubled that violent content more often goes unreported, and worse, is upvoted.

User reports and downvotes are an essential way that Reddit functions to moderate content. Limiting or prohibiting them prevents you from moderating your community effectively. Because of this, we are disabling your custom styling in order to restore these essential functions.

As stated in our Moderator Guidelines, our goal is to keep the platform alive and vibrant, as well as to ensure your community can reach people interested in it. Accordingly, here are the specific terms of the quarantine and the next steps we are asking from you as a mod team to resolve this situation.

Quarantine terms:

Visitors to this community will see a warning that requires users to explicitly opt-in to viewing it. This messaging reminds users of the importance of reporting rule-breaking content.

Custom styling has been disabled to restore the report and downvote buttons.

We hope both these changes will help improve the signal around rule-breaking content and improve your ability to effectively address it.

Next steps:

You unambiguously communicate to your subscribers that violent content is unacceptable.

You communicate to your users that reporting is a core function of Reddit and is essential to maintaining the health and viability of the community.

Following that, we will continue to monitor your community, specifically looking at report rate and for patterns of rule-violating content.

Undertake any other actions you determine to reduce the amount of rule-violating content.

Following these changes, we will consider an appeal to lift the quarantine, in line with the process outlined here.

We hope that this process provides a viable way forward to restore the health of the community. However, if this situation continues to escalate, we will explore further actions, including the possible banning of your community.

Please confirm that you have received and understand this message.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:33:23am

re: #390 The Vicious Babushka

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:35:55am
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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:36:02am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:36:29am

re: #373 Dr Lizardo

Isn’t the Air Force Academy infested with Bible-thumpers?

Exactly, he is just quotin’ him some Leviticus!

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:37:55am
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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:39:15am

re: #348 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:40:33am

re: #398 lawhawk

designed to give the Saudis support within the US for more weapons sales of advanced weapons systems.

And the means to build them in Saudi Arabia, where they would never fall into the wrong hands.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:42:56am

re: #399 jaunte

And the means to build them in Saudi Arabia, where they would never fall into the wrong hands.

It’s a goddamned jobs program for Saudis, who have a domestic terrorism problem that they exported in the form of al Qaeda.

Trump’s so for American jobs and factory workers that he’s outsourced the plum defense sector jobs to a country that can’t be trusted to keep those weapons from falling into the wrong hands (and ultimately used against the US - edited/added).

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:43:54am
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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:44:03am

re: #398 lawhawk

Doesn’t Saudi Arabia have, or at least effectively have, a mutual defense pact with the US? So an attack/invasion of Saudi Arabia would effectively be a declaration of war against the US. Rhetoric aside, what makes anyone think that Iran actually wants a war with the US, particularly when that war would take place in their region of the world?

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:46:34am

re: #365 Belafon

Cindy McCain will get right on that once he calls that ACA a concentration camp.

Megan, not Cindy, She wouldn’t do that.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:47:57am

re: #361 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Trump’s audience is stunned as he says this, alluding to McCain: “We needed 60 votes & we had 51, & sometimes we had a hard time with a couple. Fortunately they’re gone now. They’ve gone on to greener pastures. Or perhaps far less green, but they’re gone. Very happy they’re gone” pic.twitter.com

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 26, 2019

And Meghan McCain will continue to fall on the sword for the GOP…..

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:48:04am

re: #403 Dave In Austin

Megan, not Cindy, She wouldn’t do that.

You are correct. And it’s too late to edit. Darn it, blew the joke,.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:48:33am

re: #401 Scottish Dragon

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She seemed pretty freaking happy in that video.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:49:07am

Yeah, it’s an attempt to silence a now-critic of Trump.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:51:42am

re: #407 lawhawk

What will they have to reveal in discovery?

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:52:49am
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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:53:11am
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Scottish Dragon  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:53:12am

re: #341 jaunte

The Christian right owns this loathsome disgrace, and I will never, ever let them forget it.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:55:19am

Oh shit! It’s outside and talking. Someone listen as I won’t. But it looks rather animated and insane.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:56:06am
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jaunte  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:56:41am

re: #413 Dread Pirate

Yes, Godfather.

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mmmirele  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:57:08am
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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:57:10am

re: #408 jaunte

I’m really not sure what will be in scope for discovery, and considering that this is highly selective prosecution, you can be damned sure that they’re going to be playing games every step of the way.

Trumpworld has politicized the DOJ to further its aims of prosecuting political enemies. We can thank Barr for that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:59:02am

re: #409 jaunte

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It is our business Vladdy playtoy. GFY.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2019 • 10:59:25am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:00:30am

re: #413 Dread Pirate

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You had a good one in Janet Yellen but because Powell- one of your few appointments who isn’t a total lackey to you isn’t being a lackey, you’re upset.

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:00:39am

re: #395 lawhawk

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It would be great to show us that plan now.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:01:27am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:02:40am

re: #363 makeitstop

Justice Department lawyer defends herself after viral video on child migrant treatment

Oh, honey, you’re on fucking video saying exactly that.

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:04:27am

re: #410 The Vicious Babushka

“Too many parents are bringing their children to the border with them.”

WHERE THE FUCK ELSE WOULD THOSE KIDS GO??

Not to mention the kids are the MAIN REASON parents RISK THEIR FUCKING LIVES to come here.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:07:18am

re: #407 lawhawk

This is a hard one. Omarosa may get punished… But selectively. But she may get punished…

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:08:55am

re: #416 lawhawk

I’m really not sure what will be in scope for discovery, and considering that this is highly selective prosecution, you can be damned sure that they’re going to be playing games every step of the way.

Trumpworld has politicized the DOJ to further its aims of prosecuting political enemies. We can thank Barr for that.

I just did what kellyanne did

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:13:53am

re: #425 DangerMan

It’s going to be weird for the DOJ to try and do discovery on what Omarossa did when Trump claims privilege about everything, and claims a NDA governs (it doesn’t).

Just grab popcorn because there’s no winners here. Everyone involved sucks.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:16:25am
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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:17:15am

re: #426 lawhawk

Geee….. Wally.

It’s just like a real TV Show!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:17:32am

re: #427 The Vicious Babushka

Trump on photo of migrants: “The asylum policy of the Democrats is responsible. Because they will not change the asylum policy.”

They are spinning hard not to let that photo become a symbol of their immigration policy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:17:39am

So, I was just doing some research. The distance from the capital city of Guatemala to Laredo TX is roughly 1500 miles.

That would be about the same as WALKING the entire U.S eastern seaboard from Portland, Maine to Miami. The average human walking speed is 3 MPH (meaning if you walked 12 full hours in a day you could cover 36 miles), and that’s when walking on generally flat, smooth terrain which most of the area between the U.S. and Central America is NOT.

Not to mention when journeying from Guatemala to the U.S. you have to contend with paramilitary groups, drug cartels, various types of dangerous animals, the aforementioned unforgiving terrain, not to mention the strain and fatigue that comes with being exposed to the elements (especially when it is hot) for days on end.

People do NOT come to the decision to make this journey lightly and that goes whether they are planning to enter via legal means or not. In fact they frequently pay human smugglers known as coyotes thousands of dollars for assistance on their journey.

I don’t know about you, but I think long and hard before dropping a few thousand bucks on anything.

Consider how bad it is in these countries for people to look at all the obstacles involved in coming to the United States and think: “I still want to do this.”

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:18:15am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:18:40am

re: #427 The Vicious Babushka

[Insert desk flipping GIF here]

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:20:14am

Also re: That photo of the father and daughter - The government is trying to make it illegal for ordinary Americans to help people like them.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:20:17am

re: #429 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are spinning hard not to let that photo become a symbol of their immigration policy.

For my Gerrymandered Congressman who’s up next year.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:21:29am

re: #429 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are spinning hard not to let that photo become a symbol of their immigration policy.

That image needs to be plastered on protest signs.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:22:57am

re: #435 Eclectic Cyborg

Use the meme machine and put their names on it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:23:47am

re: #436 Dave In Austin

Use the meme machine and put their names on it.

That would be effective too.

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mmmirele  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:24:43am

re: #363 makeitstop

Justice Department lawyer defends herself after viral video on child migrant treatment

Oh, honey, you’re on fucking video saying exactly that.

And that video was NOT EDITED.

Here ya go, Sarah Fucking Fabian in all her glory.

17-56297 Jenny Flores v. William Barr

Roll forward to 24 minutes and just listen

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:26:17am

re: #432 Eclectic Cyborg

[Insert desk flipping GIF here]

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:26:53am

re: #392 Dr Lizardo

And here’s why The_Donald subreddit got quarantined - this is from the Reddit Admins.

Womp-womp.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:27:13am

Last night I was playing with my 2 year old goddaughter. Same age as the girl in the photo. If things ever went really bad here and I knew I could get her to a safe place if we could reach the Canadian border you’d better damn believe I’d be willing to risk almost ANYTHING to guarantee a good future for her and get her out of this country.

I love her too much not to.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:27:28am

re: #436 Dave In Austin

Use the meme machine and put their names on it.

This will become iconic like the photo of the drowned Syrian toddler washed up on the shore.

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danarchy  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:28:44am

re: #370 Dr Lizardo

Yep…..as long as that little disclaimer is on the packaging or product, then it’s more or less legal. Highly unethical, to put it mildly, but not strictly illegal.

The FTC can come after him for false advertising. they have already gone after several supplement companies. As long as they are making vague claims about it supporting good health they are ok, as soon as they make a claim about it curing something though the label on the the product will not be a defense.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:31:05am

re: #441 Eclectic Cyborg

Last night I was playing with my 2 year old goddaughter. Same age as the girl in the photo. If things ever went really bad here and I knew I could get her to a safe place if we could reach the Canadian border you’d better damn believe I’d be willing to risk almost ANYTHING to guarantee a good future for her and get her out of this country.

I love her too much not to.

My niece isn’t much older than my father’s grandfather was when he got here from Germany. I don’t know what specifically made his father decide to leave Germany but I do know that the people who bash Hispanics or MEers for bringing their children on difficult journeys don’t have a problem with what his parents did. Ditto Dad’s great grandfather who fled the Potato Famine as a child. Desperate times. It makes me angry to see people with Irish, German, & Slavic surnames especially engaging in Know-Nothingism.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:31:58am

re: #443 danarchy

The FTC can come after him for false advertising. they have already gone after several supplement companies. As long as they are making vague claims about it supporting good health they are ok, as soon as they make a claim about it curing something though the label on the the product will not be a defense.

Ah, OK. Good to know.

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mmmirele  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:33:12am

re: #367 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Why can’t we get people excited about church leaders wanting to execute women who get abortions? Are we just pussyfooting around what these fanatics want?

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:37:30am

He’s so fixated on blaming others for HIS OWN FUCKUPS that he doesn’t even realize Democrats are powerless to change any laws because Mitch McConnell rules the Senate with an iron fist.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:38:01am

re: #438 mmmirele

I don’t believe that following orders works for lawyers, either. I am a government employee, I know that if I disagree with an opinion that I have the legal right NOT to defend the position is think is wrong. Is that not that same for the lawyers?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:40:18am

re: #446 mmmirele

Why can’t we get people excited about church leaders wanting to execute women who get abortions? Are we just pussyfooting around what these fanatics want?

Because if they ain’t Muslims, we just brush it off as “deeply held religious beliefs.” It’s ridiculous and it’s why I made my comments about Land and the SBC. I’m okay with religious beliefs but just because your opinions come from your religion doesn’t make them just or different from opinions that come from convictions or reason.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:40:33am

re: #447 The Vicious Babushka

He’s so fixated on blaming others for HIS OWN FUCKUPS that he doesn’t even realize Democrats are powerless to change any laws because Mitch McConnell rules the Senate with an iron fist.

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Well, the overcrowding, child separation, etc., is a crisis that he manufactured. Literally didn’t exist before he decided to let his (and Miller’s) Nazi flag fly.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:40:57am

re: #447 The Vicious Babushka

He’s so fixated on blaming others for HIS OWN FUCKUPS that he doesn’t even realize Democrats are powerless to change any laws because Mitch McConnell rules the Senate with an iron fist.

It won’t work that way, and it doesn’t matter whether he knows it or not. They will continue to come. His “rule change” just means many more can be targeted, including those already here. It will actually get worse if he gets his way.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:41:05am

re: #447 The Vicious Babushka

He’s so fixated on blaming others for HIS OWN FUCKUPS that he doesn’t even realize Democrats are powerless to change any laws because Mitch McConnell rules the Senate with an iron fist.

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He knows. He just is doing what he does.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:41:24am

This aint good.

The company that owns the Philly oil refinery that saw those huge explosions and fire last week is filing its intent to shutter the facility and lay off its staff. The facility is the largest oil refinery on the East Coast, and the shutdown is likely to cause gas prices to spike across the region.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:42:25am

re: #433 Eclectic Cyborg

Also re: That photo of the father and daughter - The government is trying to make it illegal for ordinary Americans to help people like them.

Trump and his hooting, screeching minions are inhuman. If I found a wounded ISIS terrorist dying of thirst in the desert, I would give him water. It is not that I care about terrorists; it is that I care about myself. I cannot fathom anyone who would gleefully deny similar help to a child or a desperate refugee. There is no point of contact, no commonality that could allow civilized people to work with Trumpers.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:42:28am

re: #450 Mike Lamb

Well, the overcrowding, child separation, etc., is a crisis that he manufactured. Literally didn’t exist before he decided to let his (and Miller’s) Nazi flag fly.

I want Miller to feel pain for his crimes. Eric getting spat on is mild by comparison. I want trials, loss of fortunes, & prison.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:42:28am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:44:58am

re: #446 mmmirele

Why can’t we get people excited about church leaders wanting to execute women who get abortions? Are we just pussyfooting around what these fanatics want?

Unless the religious leader is also prominent in secular society, most people don’t care about what they say, especially when they are not members of that church. Most people don’t take the rantings of conservative theocrats seriously and won’t, until Roe v Wade is overturned.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:46:09am

re: #447 The Vicious Babushka

He’s so fixated on blaming others for HIS OWN FUCKUPS that he doesn’t even realize Democrats are powerless to change any laws because Mitch McConnell rules the Senate with an iron fist.

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There is a crisis at the border now, Donnie.

AND YOU FUCKING CAUSED IT!!

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:46:57am

re: #429 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are spinning hard not to let that photo become a symbol of their immigration policy.

“They didn’t die in custody”

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:47:26am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:48:50am

Bernie’s up to his same old divisive tricks again.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:49:28am

re: #454 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Trump and his hooting, screeching minions are inhuman. If I found a wounded ISIS terrorist dying of thirst in the desert, I would give him water. It is not that I care about terrorists; it is that I care about myself. I cannot fathom anyone who would gleefully deny similar help to a child or a desperate refugee. There is no point of contact, no commonality that could allow civilized people to work with Trumpers.

Some people just have no humanity. Undocumented is a misdemeanor. Idiots treat it like a class A felony.

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:51:09am

re: #447 The Vicious Babushka

He’s so fixated on blaming others for HIS OWN FUCKUPS that he doesn’t even realize Democrats are powerless to change any laws because Mitch McConnell rules the Senate with an iron fist.

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If the Dems would agree to what we want Mitch would bring it up

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:51:16am

Making America Great Again

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:51:39am

re: #455 HappyWarrior

I want Miller to feel pain for his crimes. Eric getting spat on is mild by comparison. I want trials, loss of fortunes, & prison.

I want Miller to be haled before the International Criminal Court in The Hague for crimes against humanity.

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:53:32am

Perhaps nobody’s explained to him that it’s not “the Democrats’ asylum policy” — it’s international law, we’re the ones who came up with the idea and pushed the rest of the world to get onboard and we signed and ratified treaties about it in 1946, expressly because Nazis.

(in 1936, European Jews applying for US visas faced an 11-year waiting list. By 1939, the waiting list was closer to 25 years. They obviously didn’t have that long.

The UK was almost as stuffy as us about grown-ups trying to escape Europe, but at least they accepted the Kindertransport.)

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DangerMan  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:53:41am

re: #462 HappyWarrior

Some people just have no humanity. Undocumented is a misdemeanor. Idiots treat it like a class A felony.

Asylum isn’t even that and it’s treated the same

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:54:48am

In Supreme Court news today… it looks like the law regarding interpreting regulations is going to get more complex:

This Court’s deference doctrine is rooted in a presumption that Congress intended for courts to defer to agencies when they interpret their own ambiguous rules. The Court adopts that presumption for a set of reasons related to the comparative attributes of courts and agencies in answering interpretive questions. But when the reasons for the presumption do not hold up, or when countervailing reasons
outweigh them, courts should not give deference to an agency’s reading. The Court as thus cabined Auer’s scope in varied and critical ways.

First and foremost, a court should not afford Auer deference unless, after exhausting all the “traditional tools” of construction, Chevron U. S. A. Inc. v. Natural Resources Defense Council, Inc., 467 U. S. 837, 843, n. 9, the regulation is genuinely ambiguous. A court must carefully consider the text, structure, history, and purpose of a regulation before resorting to deference. If genuine ambiguity remains, the agency’s reading must still fall “within the bounds of reasonable interpretation.” Arlington v. FCC, 569 U. S. 290, 296. And even then, not every reasonable agency reading of a genuinely ambiguous rule should receive Auer deference. Rather, a court must also make an independent inquiry into whether the character and context of the agency interpretation entitles it to controlling weight. See, e.g., Christopher v. SmithKline Beecham Corp., 567 U. S. 142, 155. The inquiry along this dimension does not reduce to an exhaustive test, but the Court has laid out some especially important markers for identifying when Auer deference is and is not appropriate. To begin with, the regulatory interpretation must be the agency’s authoritative or official position, rather than any more ad hoc statement not reflecting the agency’s views. Next, the agency’s interpretation must in some way implicate its substantive expertise, as the basis for deference ebbs when the subject matter of a dispute is distant from the agency’s ordinary duties. Finally, an agency’s reading of a rule must reflect its ” fair and considered judgment.” Auer, 519 U. S., at 462. A court should decline to defer, for example, to a merely ” ‘convenient litigating position,’ ” Christopher, 567 U. S., at 155., or to a new interpretation that creates “unfair surprise” to regulated parties, Long Island Care at Home, Ltd. v. Coke, 551 U. S. 158, 170. Pp. 11-19

This is how the voting broke down:

KAGAN, J., announced the judgment of the Court and delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to Parts I, II-B, III-B, and IV, in which ROBERTS, C. J., and GINSBURG, BREYER, and SOTOMAYOR, JJ., joined, and an opinion with respect to Parts II-A and III-A, in which GINSBURG, BREYER, and SOTOMAYOR, JJ., joined. ROBERTS, C. J., filed an opinion concurring in part. GORSUCH, J., filed an opinion concurring in the judgment, in which THOMAS, J., joined, in which KAVANAUGH, J., joined as to Parts I, II, III, IV, and V, and in which ALITO, J., joined as to Parts I, II, and III. KAVANAUGH, J., filed an opinion concurring in the judgment, in which ALITO, J., joined.

So, technically it’s a unanimous decision, but with so many different opinions it’s probably going to mean this issue will be back before the Court in a decade’s time, I’d guess.

Personally, I’m skeptical of any deference being given to the agencies on regulations. I think they should have the same standard of review as the laws on which they are based.

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:54:52am

re: #466 sagehen

The America Firsters are back to tell us all that WW2 was wrongly decided.

470
Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:57:40am

re: #453 lawhawk

This aint good.

The company that owns the Philly oil refinery that saw those huge explosions and fire last week is filing its intent to shutter the facility and lay off its staff. The facility is the largest oil refinery on the East Coast, and the shutdown is likely to cause gas prices to spike across the region.

That place probably becomes an immediate Superfund site once it closes.

I used to work for Sunoco - but in an area (plastics) they sold off at the time they were selling off all their other refinery assets in order to simply concentrate on logistics (moving and mixing oil products) and marketing. Refinery profits run on cycles and it’s easy to get into a cash squeeze since the refineries have considerable fixed costs and if the marginal profits on the various splits* are not enough you will bleed money.

And the machinery in that refinery is made to use “sweet” crude. So limited locations they can get their feedstock crude from.

* - There is a constant calculation of what is the most profitable way to refine a barrel of oil. If you make aviation fuel, for instance, you are limited to what other products that barrel creates. So you have to look at what the demands are for the different products are at the time and pick the best combination. So often making unleaded gasoline for cars is not necessarily the best thing to be doing solely on that basis.

471
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:58:18am

moron

472
KGxvi  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:58:23am

re: #461 Charles Johnson

Bernie’s up to his same old divisive tricks again.

[Embedded content]

Bernie has been reading his own press for way too long

473
austin_blue  Jun 26, 2019 • 11:59:12am

Stonekettle


@Stonekettle

Stonekettle Retweeted Darren Samuelsohn

I hope the judge doesn’t forget to remind Manafort, that it’s not the government’s responsibility to provide him with a toothbrush, soap, or showers during his incarceration.


@dsamuelsohn

BREAKING: Paul Manafort is scheduled to be arraigned around 2:15 PM Thursday in NY County Supreme Court before Judge Maxwell Wiley, per Manhattan DA Cy Vance’s office. The former Trump campaign chair faces 16 counts, including mortgage fraud & falsifying business records.

474
lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:00:16pm

re: #462 HappyWarrior

Some people just have no humanity. Undocumented is a misdemeanor. Idiots treat it like a class A felony.

Asylum is legal immigration. You can claim it affirmatively upon entry and presenting yourself to an official to seek asylum or defensively as a means to prevent deportation. From the USCIS site:

Every year people come to the United States seeking protection because they have suffered persecution or fear that they will suffer persecution due to:

Race
Religion
Nationality
Membership in a particular social group
Political opinion
If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States. To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within one year of your arrival to the United States. There is no fee to apply for asylum.

You may include your spouse and children who are in the United States on your application at the time you file or at any time until a final decision is made on your case. To include your child on your application, the child must be under 21 and unmarried. For more information see our Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal page.

The people seeking asylum are doing so because they’re being persecuted, trying to escape violence/war/civil strife, economic collapse of their home countries, etc., and are risking it all to make the journey to the US to seek a better life.

Trump’s turned all this on its head and trying to deter all nonwhites from entering the US, particularly via asylum, because his entire worldview is racist and misogynistic to the core.

Trump doesn’t care about the law - he only cares about removing the nonwhites from our midst (except when they work for his golf resorts and he can profit from it).

475
lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:00:55pm

This is entirely on the GOP and Trump.

476
Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:00:56pm

re: #461 Charles Johnson

Bernie’s up to his same old divisive tricks again.

[Embedded content]

A posting on the FB account of a IRL friend:

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KGxvi  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:01:14pm

re: #471 Backwoods_Sleuth

Does anyone even use TiVo anymore? I mean, besides my mom who still somehow has one and won’t just switch to the regular cable DVR?

478
jaunte  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:02:43pm

re: #476 Hecuba’s daughter

“We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.”

479
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:04:21pm

re: #477 KGxvi

Does anyone even use TiVo anymore? I mean, besides my mom who still somehow has one and won’t just switch to the regular cable DVR?

TiVo is just so Beta…

480
Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:05:02pm

re: #478 jaunte

“We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.”

Try telling that to a Bernie Bro…

481
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:10:33pm
482
Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:11:53pm

re: #476 Hecuba’s daughter

A posting on the FB account of a IRL friend:

[Embedded content]

You might have to explain to your friend that not voting is how you give up your leverage.

483
lawhawk  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:13:27pm

So, I started reading The Plaza: The Secret Life of America’s Most Famous Hotel last night. It’s the story of the famed Plaza Hotel in NYC, and I had forgotten that Trump had owned it at one point. What the intro reminds me of not only how much Trump paid for it, but that he put Ivana in charge, paid her $1 a year plus all the clothes she wanted, and that Trump ultimately got so bogged down on the debt with the purchase that he had to sell to get out of hock. In fact, Trump got rid of it as a prepackaged bankruptcy. The purchaser? Saudi prince Al-Waleed bin Talal. It’s changed hands a couple times since, and now a Qatari group owns it. The hotel is a shadow of its former self, as the building is subdivided into a hotel and condominium, and the public spaces are a fraction of the size. The condos are now where anonymous foreigners are parking their ill gotten gains as real estate holdings.

484
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:17:49pm
485
Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:18:44pm

re: #477 KGxvi

Does anyone even use TiVo anymore? I mean, besides my mom who still somehow has one and won’t just switch to the regular cable DVR?

It’s likely that Donnie Retarded uses TiVo.

486
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:19:20pm

QUICK! CHANGE ALL THE LOCKS AND PASSWORDS!

487
Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:20:51pm

re: #486 Backwoods_Sleuth

QUICK! CHANGE ALL THE LOCKS AND PASSWORDS!

This would be a good time for the FBI to do an investigation of the Oval Office.

488
makeitstop  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:28:20pm

re: #427 The Vicious Babushka

Trump on photo of migrants: “The asylum policy of the Democrats is responsible. Because they will not change the asylum policy.”

Screw you, Fatboy. You don’t get to blame us for that shit. You fucking own it.

489
jaunte  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:29:01pm

re: #484 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Probably. I don’t say that.”

This is the chickenshit gaslighter whose fans pretend “tells it like it is.”

490
DodgerFan1988  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:29:20pm

What a sorry excuse for a human being.

491
Belafon  Jun 26, 2019 • 12:29:57pm

Except for that last one, not a bad year for movies either:


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