White House Lawyer John Eisenberg Tried to Cover Up Trump’s Crimes

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As more of the story emerges, it’s increasingly clear that everyone in Trump’s inner circle knew he had crossed the line into criminal behavior by extorting Ukraine to cook up some dirt on Joe Biden — because they tried to help him cover it up.

Moments after President Trump ended his phone call with Ukraine’s president on July 25, an unsettled national security aide rushed to the office of White House lawyer .

Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the top Ukraine adviser at the White House, had been listening to the call and was disturbed by the pressure Trump had applied to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate his political rivals, according to people familiar with Vindman’s testimony to lawmakers this week.

Vindman told Eisenberg, the White House’s legal adviser on national security issues, that what the president did was wrong, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

Scribbling notes on a yellow legal pad, Eisenberg proposed a step that other officials have said is at odds with long-standing White House protocol: moving a transcript of the call to a highly classified server and restricting access to it, according to two people familiar with Vindman’s account.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:36:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:37:58pm

re: #1 Dread Pirate

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Trump doesn’t know shit from his ass.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:38:19pm

Stros have a big hill to climb in the bottom of the 9th. 6-2 Nats.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:38:56pm

re: #3 makeitstop

Stros have a big hill to climb in the bottom of the 9th. 6-2 Nats.

Yep.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:39:58pm
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:40:19pm

Repost from downstairs:
I’ve been an Astros fan since 1977 (I was six). The first game I went to at the Astrodome, they played the Montreal Expos (now the Washington Nationals). The Astros lost the game, but I couldn’t figure out why because I added up all the runs, hits, and errors, and the Astros had more than the Expos. They’re about to lose the Series, but the last three years have been a blast. Plus, it’s something other than our shared hatred of Trump that I can talk about with my family.

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makeitstop  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:44:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:45:58pm

re: #5 makeitstop

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One of my Trump apologizing cousins was trying to say we need to let the facts come out in response to the anger over the attacks on the Colonel. Nevermind that what he was attacked over was FNC being racist and Trump is a lying pos.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:47:07pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

If Obama had…oh, fuck it.

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gwangung  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:47:45pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

One of my Trump apologizing cousins was trying to say we need to let the facts come out in response to the anger over the attacks on the Colonel. Nevermind that what he was attacked over was FNC being racist and Trump is a lying pos.

Based on the facts out there NOW, the Trumpers are bigoted, asshole scums covering up for a corrupt, weak twit.

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Belafon  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:48:21pm

A cold front is moving through North Texas (which, strangely enough, is where the DFW area is, and east of West Texas - but not East Texas - rather than the panhandle). We’re under a freeze warning. But the winds are the worst part. Easily 20 mph, pushing the wind chill down into the teens even though the temps are the mid thirties.

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Targetpractice  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:48:55pm

re: #7 makeitstop

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I really don’t know how Republicans think this shit being made public will help rather than hurt their defense of the man.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:50:06pm

re: #9 Ace Rothstein

If Obama had…oh, fuck it.

Yeah I wasn’t having any of it. I flat out said that if her and my grandmother having ties to Czechoslovakia during the Cold War were used to attack them, she’d be pissed. Her own daughter even had to tell her what she was defending. Is absurd.

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:53:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:54:26pm

I mean this wasn’t even a dispute of fact. The fact of the matter is Yoo, Kilmeade, Duffy, and Ingraham, neither of whom have sacrificed their bodies for this country were questioning Colonel Vindman’s loyalty to this country because he was born in Ukraine. The facts are that VIndman has been in the Army since the late 90’s. He joined before 9/11 and the whole fake rah rah patriotism bullshit that FNC engages in. It really disgusts me that people in my own family even if they are more distant relatives will defend this corrupt piece of shit and his lackeys in and out of the media.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:54:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:55:13pm

re: #14 jaunte

Booed him twice. I feel a little bittersweet about it. I’m not a Houston fan but I’ve taken so much shit from Nats fans for still being an O’s fan over the years even though I never once disparaged them for switching when the Nats moved here in 2005.

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:56:53pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

I’ve lived in Houston since they started construction on the Astrodome, but I’ve never been much of a sports fan. Good job, Nats, anyway.

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Targetpractice  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:58:07pm

And now all those wingnuts who actually cheered the Nats losing Game 5 because the fans booed Dear Leader will have to sniff and mutter that they’re never watching MLB ever again.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 8:59:00pm

re: #18 jaunte

I’ve lived in Houston since they started construction on the Astrodome, but I’ve never been much of a sports fan. Good job, Nats, anyway.

I’m a huge baseball fan. I’m happy for my Nats friends and family who I know are true fans but I have to admit it really kind of bugs me that I got so much crap over the years for sticking with my team. I never once disparaged anyone for switching to the Nats when they moved from Montreal to DC but I fell in love with baseball in Baltimore and thus my allegiance will always be with the Orioles.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:00:23pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

And now all those wingnuts who actually cheered the Nats losing Game 5 because the fans booed Dear Leader will have to sniff and mutter that they’re never watching MLB ever again.

I wonder what Dave Martinez thinks of Trump. Second year in a row that a Hispanic manager has won the World Series. All those assholes who ragged on the Hispanic players and coaches for saying there needs to be more Hispanic managers can shut their faces now.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:01:02pm
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BeachDem  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:03:44pm

re: #6 Ace Rothstein

Repost from downstairs:
I’ve been an Astros fan since 1977 (I was six). The first game I went to at the Astrodome, they played the Montreal Expos (now the Washington Nationals). The Astros lost the game, but I couldn’t figure out why because I added up all the runs, hits, and errors, and the Astros had more than the Expos. They’re about to lose the Series, but the last three years have been a blast. Plus, it’s something other than our shared hatred of Trump that I can talk about with my family.

Glad you reposted because I wanted to reply. Small world. An old friend of mine, Terry Ward, was Assistant Marketing Coordinator for the Astros in 1977-78. He was the guy who put together the promotion to cut the original Astroturf up into little squares and make keepsakes. Somewhere, in a box in my attic, I have mine.

(Terry then had Texas Tumbleweed and Dirty’s restaurants in Houston. Now runs Country Communities. I haven’t seen him in years, but I guess he’s been quite a success)

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:06:12pm

Current Houston Weather: raining, of course.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:07:43pm

re: #23 BeachDem

Glad you reposted because I wanted to reply. Small world. An old friend of mine, Terry Ward, was Assistant Marketing Coordinator for the Astros in 1977-78. He was the guy who put together the promotion to cut the original Astroturf up into little squares and make keepsakes. Somewhere, in a box in my attic, I have mine.

(Terry then had Texas Tumbleweed and Dirty’s restaurants in Houston. Now runs Country Communities. I haven’t seen him in years, but I guess he’s been quite a success)

The Astrodome was really cool. When my Mom visited her aunt in Houston, her uncle took her and my uncle to a game. I also remember the old school Astros jacket that my Uncle gave to my Grandfather too.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:09:49pm

As a Californian I still think it’s weird that it rains outside of winter and early spring in other states.

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:10:28pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

The “behind the scenes” Astrodome tour was fun. I was impressed to learn the roof wasn’t actually bolted on, it had to expand and contract, so it sat on a ring and slid in and out.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:11:16pm

re: #27 jaunte

The “behind the scenes” Astrodome tour was fun. I was impressed to learn the roof wasn’t actually bolted on, it had to expand and contract, so it sat on a ring and slid in and out.

I believe they called it the 8th wonder of the world at one time right? I don’t like domed stadiums but the Astro Dome was and is a wonder.

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:12:28pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

They tried to have natural light and real grass the first season it was open, but the glare was so bad no one could see the balls. Hence Astroturf.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:14:00pm

Our rain since July 1st.

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BeachDem  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:21:36pm

re: #27 jaunte

The “behind the scenes” Astrodome tour was fun. I was impressed to learn the roof wasn’t actually bolted on, it had to expand and contract, so it sat on a ring and slid in and out.

If my memory is correct, the bullpen was behind homeplate. When I went to a game with my friend who worked for the Astros, I saw Vida Blue pitch from that vantage point (he was in his first year with the Giants, 1978.) It was pretty breathtaking.

Edit—or maybe it was 1977 and he was still with the A’s—hey, I’m old and it was a long time ago! But it was definitely Vida Blue. That I remember.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:23:43pm

re: #31 BeachDem

Bullpens were on the first and third baselines. Then they were moved to the outfield. As a gimmick, a few seasons relief pitchers were brought in on golf carts designed as moon buggies.

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Interesting Times  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:24:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:24:51pm

re: #32 Ace Rothstein

Bullpens were on the first and third baselines. Then they were moved to the outfield. As a gimmick, a few seasons relief pitchers were brought in on golf carts designed as moon buggies.

You know what, I like the old school rainbow unis. The 70’s is before my time but that was a fun decade for baseball.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:25:38pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

The rainbow unis were the best. The had the player number on the right pant leg too.

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BeachDem  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:26:53pm

re: #32 Ace Rothstein

Bullpens were on the first and third baselines. Then they were moved to the outfield. As a gimmick, a few seasons relief pitchers were brought in on golf carts designed as moon buggies.

Alrighty then—what was directly behind homeplate? I swear that’s where I watched from. Or I have imagined the whole thing…or I’ve lost what’s left of my mind.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:27:04pm

re: #35 Ace Rothstein

The rainbow unis were the best. The had the player number on the right pant leg too.

Never noticed that detail. Houston had a lot of players I liked in the 90’s. Bagwell and Biggio obviously but also the late Darryl Kile and Mike Hampton. I was always disappointed that they never got over the hump with the Braves. I respected those Braves teams but I like underdogs.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:33:50pm
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jaunte  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:39:06pm
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jaunte  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:44:30pm
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Dread Pirate  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:48:44pm

Industrial. Disease.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:48:59pm

re: #39 jaunte

See if Trump supporters instead of being cultists, big if I know, they’d realize that Trump and his cronies are the swamp. Who the hell brings a former AG who hasn’t been AG for nearly 30 years out of retirement like that. Especially one whose reputation was cleaning up the shit on the rug that was Iran-Contra.

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:49:19pm

“…A former National Security Council official, forced out by National-Security Adviser H.R. McMaster in July, is set to join the staff of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, according to two sources familiar with his move.

Derek Harvey, who was the NSC’s senior director for the Middle East and had been appointed by the former National-Security Adviser Michael Flynn, was among several officials who were ousted this summer. That list also includes the former senior director for intelligence, Ezra Cohen-Watnick, and a director for strategic planning, Rich Higgins, who produced a memo alleging a deep-state plot against President Trump..
………

Harvey was one of the most hawkish members of the NSC with respect to Iran, and was seen as an ally of former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon.”
theatlantic.com

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:50:12pm

re: #43 jaunte

For me what I find interesting is the factionalism that always comes up in presidential administrations.

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:51:27pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

We have the pure Anti-Iran hawks vs. the sell-anything-to-Saudis-cause-they-have-the-money hawks.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 9:52:30pm

re: #45 jaunte

We have the pure Anti-Iran hawks vs. the sell-anything-to-Saudis-cause-they-have-the-money hawks.

Trump is the latter. And both these factions are people who I hope never again are anywhere near the executive branch. Bolton may testify and seal Trump’s fate but fuck that dude still.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 30, 2019 • 10:00:09pm

re: #45 jaunte

We have the pure Anti-Iran hawks vs. the sell-anything-to-Saudis-cause-they-have-the-money hawks.

Is hawk the right term for the latter group? They aren’t interested in getting us involved in actual combat, only in selling weapons to potential combatants.

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2019 • 10:00:57pm

re: #47 Hecuba’s daughter

I guess they’re more like vultures.

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2019 • 10:01:26pm

Skeksis!

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jaunte  Oct 30, 2019 • 10:03:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 10:07:58pm

re: #48 jaunte

I guess they’re more like vultures.

Vultures is a good word especially given Trump admitting he wants to taek Syria’s oil. In fact, I really think you should tweet that because international relations is too simplified. Likewise, I’m trying to think of another bird in between hawk and dove that would fit too.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 30, 2019 • 10:14:16pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

Vultures is a good word especially given Trump admitting he wants to taek Syria’s oil. In fact, I really think you should tweet that because international relations is too simplified. Likewise, I’m trying to think of another bird in between hawk and dove that would fit too.

I once read a book on nuclear policy, “Hawks, Doves and Owls”. It suggested owls as a metaphor for a sensible middle course during the Cold War.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 10:23:36pm

re: #52 Sherlock Hound

I once read a book on nuclear policy, “Hawks, Doves and Owls”. It suggested owls as a metaphor for a sensible middle course during the Cold War.

Owls is good. What was the rationale if you recall? I’ve always found international relations and international relations theory interesting. I took a couple international relations classes before I transferred to GMU.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 30, 2019 • 10:24:55pm

John Bolton has never seen a war he didn’t want to start, but he at least doesn’t seem to be utterly corrupt. I’ll welcome his testimony about Rudy’s and Mulvaney’s “drug deal” while still not wanting him to be anywhere near the reins of power.

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Dread Pirate  Oct 30, 2019 • 10:28:46pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 30, 2019 • 10:31:18pm

re: #48 jaunte

I guess they’re more like vultures.

Or the old phrase “merchants of death”…. but the term “vultures” works if we’re sticking to bird metaphors.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 10:32:26pm

re: #55 Dread Pirate

Really if it was as “perfect” as Trump insists it was, why do that?

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 30, 2019 • 10:40:22pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Owls is good. What was the rationale if you recall? I’ve always found international relations and international relations theory interesting. I took a couple international relations classes before I transferred to GMU.

I don’t have the book and it’s been years, but the theme I recall most was “watchfulness”. The authors suggested various strategies for achieving this. The book was published just before the Clinton administration, so I most associate it with them.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 30, 2019 • 10:44:20pm

re: #58 Sherlock Hound

I don’t have the book and it’s been years, but the theme I recall most was “watchfulness”. The authors suggested various strategies for achieving this. The book was published just before the Clinton administration, so I most associate it with them.

Gotcha. Sounds like a reasonable thesis. And with that, bed time for this bozo.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 30, 2019 • 11:24:05pm
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Dread Pirate  Oct 30, 2019 • 11:27:21pm

I got rid of cable TV about 10 years ago because there was …

YouTube

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Dread Pirate  Oct 31, 2019 • 12:43:30am

huh, Hendrix on bass.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 1:12:57am

re: #32 Ace Rothstein

Bullpens were on the first and third baselines. Then they were moved to the outfield. As a gimmick, a few seasons relief pitchers were brought in on golf carts designed as moon buggies.

and NFL teams did not come out until after the National Anthem until the US military started working with the NFL to put more patriotic spectacle into their games to bolster recruitment.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 1:14:03am

re: #41 Dread Pirate

climate-change related?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 1:16:22am

re: #62 Dread Pirate

huh, Hendrix on bass.

He played bass on 1983 (I remember a day when that still felt like the distant future) and taught Noel Redding the bass line on Hey Joe

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 31, 2019 • 1:26:28am

More economic storm clouds gathering on the horizon:

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 31, 2019 • 1:27:09am

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 31, 2019 • 1:28:14am

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 1:28:30am

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

China manufacturers continue to struggle. Factory activity shrank for 6th month in row. Oct PMI fell to 49.3 v. 49.8 in Sep (and worse than est. 49.8). Manufacturers also shed jobs: sub-index for employment at 47.3 in Oct v. 47.0 Sep.

This means we are WINNING the Trade War! China will knuckle under soon!!!

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 31, 2019 • 1:29:26am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This means we are WINNING the Trade War! China will knuckle under soon!!!

Well, that’s most likely how Trump and his lickspittles will interpret it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 1:39:18am

re: #70 Dr Lizardo

Well, that’s most likely how Trump and his lickspittles will interpret it.

we hit them square in the fist with our face…now for a blow to the kneecap with the pit of our stomach…

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 31, 2019 • 1:58:13am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hong Kong has fallen into a technical recession, but that should come as no surprise to anyone, given the ongoing unrest there.

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Teukka  Oct 31, 2019 • 2:11:01am

Re: this one in the last thread:

Actually, the righties on facebook, twitter and youtube buzzed quite a bit about a fireman walking on the side of the church, claiming it was a muslim in some sort of garb setting fires.
I just say what someone I showed the tweet to said: “I never thought we would see the day where someone in their 80’s commits a terrorist act”.

Also a commentary on the perils of blaming the wrong person or thing of things like the Notre Dame fire… Instead of correctly identifying, say aged electrical wiring or incorrect fire protection practises during renovation (one of which I believe was determined to be a likely cause), you go around looking for firebug Daeshbags, which of course will lower incidents of arson started by muslims, but may come at the expense of arsons started by other groups, as well as electrical and working safety practices going without update to avoid serious incidents.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Oct 31, 2019 • 2:11:31am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we hit them square in the fist with our face…now for a blow to the kneecap with the pit of our stomach…

…and then, for the coup de grace, strike them in the army boot with the full force of your teeth

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 2:34:28am

re: #73 Teukka

Actually, the righties on facebook, twitter and youtube buzzed quite a bit about a fireman walking on the side of the church, claiming it was a muslim in some sort of garb setting fires.

and all those Muslims on rooftoops cheering…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:19:22am

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

More economic storm clouds gathering on the horizon:

Lottery sales are down. This alone tells me that people are getting a bit tight with their money.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:21:53am

last night i posted that trump was rigging the jury by courting and talking to senators.
I was wrong.

Politico: “President Trump is rewarding senators who have his back on impeachment — and sending a message to those who don’t to get on board. Trump is tapping his vast fundraising network for a handful of loyal senators facing tough reelection bids in 2020. Each of them has signed onto a Republican-backed resolution condemning the inquiry as ‘unprecedented and undemocratic.’”

“Conspicuously absent from the group is Maine Sen. Susan Collins, a politically vulnerable Republican who’s refused to support the resolution and avoided taking a stance on impeachment. With his new push, Trump is exerting leverage over a group he badly needs in his corner with an impeachment trial likely coming soon to the Senate — but that also needs him.”

fuck your ‘due process’
The President is buying the jury. And not even trying to hide it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:24:35am

moron

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:29:47am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:30:00am

JFC

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:31:32am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:33:12am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

“What you can’t have is a couple athletes driving around in Ferraris while everybody else is basically having a hard time making ends meet.”@MittRomney, who’s in favor of athlete compensation for name, image and likeness, explains there needs to be adjustments to the approach.

What we basically have is a training camp/junior league for the NFL fully funded by students and taxpayers…

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:36:19am

Ruth Vader Ginsburg

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:37:32am

this is (apparently) Beto’s dog dressed as Woof Bader Ginsburg

and now, to breakfast

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:44:56am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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What separates college athletes from professionals doing the same thing? Not every college athlete is going to make it big in the pros or want to.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:46:23am

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What we basically have is a training camp/junior league for the NFL fully funded by students and taxpayers…

It’s not just football. It includes basketball too and fewer basketball players go professional since the NBA draft is international and the teams are smaller.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:47:53am

It’s so telling when we talk about a progressive income structure. People like Mitt are the first to complain that it’s punishing success but now it’s oh those college kids might have nice sports cars.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:49:54am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

What separates college athletes from professionals doing the same thing? Not every college athlete is going to make it big in the pros or want to.

I worked for in College Sports in the 1980’s (when they first started their patchwork attempts at “reform”) and it is a massive scam.

The Football and Basketball players should be hired as full-time employees. Deduct their tuition and expenses from that, let them work part-time on their degree in the off season and give them a chance to finish their degree once their four-year stint in the de facto NFL/NBA Minor Leagues are up.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:51:38am

re: #10 gwangung

Based on the facts out there NOW, the Trumpers are bigoted, asshole scums covering up for a corrupt, weak twit.

yup.
assgate

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:52:38am

re: #12 Targetpractice

I really don’t know how Republicans think this shit being made public will help rather than hurt their defense of the man.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:53:34am

My doctor describes me as “ridiculously healthy”, but that’s age-adjusted. A string of non-lethal conditions keeps me in doctors’ waiting rooms all over the county. Today it’s another kidney stone adventure, thus my sunny mood.

An old friend, a Vietnam dustoff pilot, forwarded valuable self-diagnosis advice:

A simplified urine test that may be relevant for you!

Go outside and pee in the garden…..
If ants gather: Diabetes.
If you pee on your feet: Prostate.
If it smells like a barbecue: Cholesterol.
If, when you shake it, your wrist hurts: Osteoarthritis.
If you go back inside with your penis outside your pants: Alzheimers.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 4:58:15am

re: #88 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I worked for in College Sports in the 1980’s (when they first started their patchwork attempts at “reform”) and it is a massive scam.

The Football and Basketball players should be hired as full-time employees. Deduct their tuition and expenses from that, let them work part-time on their degree in the off season and give them a chance to finish their degree once their four-year stint in the de facto NFL/NBA Minor Leagues are up.

I agree. However there are other sports too. Anyhow. It’s long overdue. The big school and name basketball coaches or football ones are usually the highest paid state employees and until now the players got squat. Never saw Romney object to Nick Saban or Coach K having a nice salary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:09:36am

Attorneys representing President Donald Trump, the House of Representatives and Charles Kupperman, the president’s former deputy national security adviser, will appear in federal court Thursday in a case in which Kupperman is asking a judge the decide whether he must submit to questioning in the House impeachment inquiry.

The case is the latest twist in White House efforts to block all former and current administration officials from testifying or otherwise cooperating with the Democrat-led probe.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:10:17am

re: #91 Decatur Deb

My doctor describes me as “ridiculously healthy”, but that’s age-adjusted.

I guess that I should be grateful that I am into my sixth decade without any chronic complaints beyond elevated blood pressure and cholesterol.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:20:08am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why is that mitt?
Non athletes do exactly that

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:23:36am

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

The case is the latest twist in White House efforts to block all former and current administration officials from testifying or otherwise cooperating with the Democrat-led probe.

The egregiousness in this is the “all”

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:24:14am

re: #62 Dread Pirate

huh, Hendrix on bass.

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He played bass on a lot of ‘Electric Ladyland,’ once Noel Redding started getting pissy that his songs weren’t being included on the album.

That’s Jimi playing bass on ‘All Along the Watchtower’ and ‘Crosstown Traffic.’

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:25:29am

Morning Everyone

Mitt and all of these “capitalists” seem to love capitalism, until some people who don’t “deserve” in their minds, are able to benefit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:25:35am

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:29:14am

re: #98 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Morning Everyone

Mitt and all of these “capitalists” seem to love capitalism, until some people who don’t “deserve” in their minds, are able to benefit.

What a paternalistic and patronizing attitude about how other people might spend their own money

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:33:48am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:38:02am

re: #98 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Morning Everyone

Mitt and all of these “capitalists” seem to love capitalism, until some people who don’t “deserve” in their minds, are able to benefit.

Exactly.

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:40:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:40:38am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:43:53am

I’ll believe Twitter will stop all political ads when SMOTI is kicked off of it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:44:10am

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Man how fucking clueless can you be?

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Dave In Austin  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:45:01am

Morning all. There’s nothing on god-emperor’s agenda today.
We know what that means. I’m looking towards a 50 Tweet day.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:47:12am

I’ll speak really quick on the ability for NCAA Athletes to make money off of their likeness.

I appeared in the video game NCAA Football 2001, made by Electronic Arts Sports. The name used by the game was not mine, but all other characteristics of the specific player matched my own. Height, weight, ability level, hometown, ect. EA Sports used my likeness without my permission(along with every other player in the game that year). I was a part of the Class Action lawsuit that ended with a settlement that netted me about $400. Sure, I’ll use that money for something, but at the time I earned it- it would have made a bigger difference.

Now, I do not expect the NCAA to actually follow through and do things correctly. College Athletes are not dumb, and aren’t thugs. I played for a major college program in a major conference, and while we were a below average program- the money that flowed was major. Players are a labor force that while some(not all) are on scholarship, the compensation does not match the value the labor force helps produce.

Once again, these capitalists say they love capitalism, but when who they stereotypically think of- poor, black, uneducated athletes, might benefit- they will fight against it tooth and nail.

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:48:56am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:49:05am

re: #107 Dave In Austin

Morning all. There’s nothing on god-emperor’s agenda today.
We know what that means. I’m looking towards a 50 Tweet day.

The book Anti-Social is one that a friend recommended to me. What alarms me about the alt-right is how it’s a youth driven movement. It’s why you won’t see this Millennial bitch about Boomers.

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:50:39am

Not to be lookist or anything, but what’s up with Uday’s teeth? Did he have his veneers removed or something? He’s looking kinda horsey.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:51:24am

re: #108 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

I’ll speak really quick on the ability for NCAA Athletes to make money off of their likeness.

I appeared in the video game NCAA Football 2001, made by Electronic Arts Sports. The name used by the game was not mine, but all other characteristics of the specific player matched my own. Height, weight, ability level, hometown, ect. EA Sports used my likeness without my permission(along with every other player in the game that year). I was a part of the Class Action lawsuit that ended with a settlement that netted me about $400. Sure, I’ll use that money for something, but at the time I earned it- it would have made a bigger difference.

Now, I do not expect the NCAA to actually follow through and do things correctly. College Athletes are not dumb, and aren’t thugs. I played for a major college program in a major conference, and while we were a below average program- the money that flowed was major. Players are a labor force that while some(not all) are on scholarship, the compensation does not match the value the labor force helps produce.

Once again, these capitalists say they love capitalism, but when who they stereotypically think of- poor, black, uneducated athletes, might benefit- they will fight against it tooth and nail.

That really is the ultimate thing. Capitalism for me but not thee. It’s kind of how in the 60’s welfare state liberalism was fine for people if they were white but an outrage if they were not. Same thing is happening here. It’s why again I feel we need something in between ultra capitalism and socialism.

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plansbandc  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:52:48am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:53:35am

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Man how fucking clueless can you be?

He knows that his base will eat it up and it will keep Hunter Biden in the news, which is all that they can do now: distract and obstruct.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:56:08am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He knows that his base will eat it up and it will keep Hunter Biden in the news, which is all that they can do now: distract and obstruct.

Dude, this was about a school administrator calling tampons a privilege at an age when girls need them. It has nothing to do with Hunter Biden. or the Trump administration. It has to do with the fact that this guy is totally ignorant about adolescence.

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jeffreyw  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:57:09am

Good morning!

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unproven innocence  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:58:00am

Scheduled to start at 9am (Eastern time):

WATCH LIVE: House votes on impeachment inquiry resolution

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:58:01am

re: #7 makeitstop

It’s as though everyone in Trumpworld is as corrupt and criminally incompetent as we have always thought, except they’ve all doubled down on the stupidity.

Lawyers who should know better (or at least paid attention in 1L criminal law and 2L criminal procedure) should know that their actions constitute a criminal act, and that 2L evidence would remind them that the crime fraud exception means that prosecutors can go after them for their actions despite their claims of privilege.

Everything Trump touches dies.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 31, 2019 • 5:58:41am

LOLOLOL!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:00:01am

responding to the wrong response

a lot of people have a very micro-economic bottom line view of things, every transaction must be paid for, every bus ride, school lunch, etc.

“government should be run like a business!”

that is why they cannot grasp public health care, food assistance or even public education.

but are happy to benefit from government programs, subsidies and tax breaks when they are the recipients.

just keep it all away from “those people”…

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:00:11am

Kinda wish I could experience Halloween in Shibuya once. But it sounds like the Tokyo govt is moving toward more and more crowd control as store owners complain about the drunken antics later in the evening.

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:00:55am

re: #108 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:04:56am

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

responding to the wrong response

a lot of people have a very micro-economic bottom line view of things, every transaction must be paid for, every bus ride, school lunch, etc.

“government should be run like a business!”

that is why they cannot grasp public health care, food assistance or even public education.

but are happy to benefit from government programs, subsidies and tax breaks when they are the recipients.

just keep it all away from “those people”…

May well be but we are talking about a health issue that is something that most of his female students will be experiencing. It also comes off less economic to me and more “ewww tampons are just these sluts wanting to screw.” I could get a middle school administrator objecting to the distribution of condoms but condoms and tampons aren’t the same.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:07:02am
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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:10:40am
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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:12:18am

Congrats, California, for providing the first Republican fuck-head who will spend time today bitching about today’s vote.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:13:57am

re: #125 lawhawk

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His AOL account…

Their hypocrisy is beyond words

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:14:17am

re: #126 Targetpractice

Congrats, California, for providing the first Republican fuck-head who will spend time today bitching about today’s vote.

Donetsk Devin? or Moscow Mac?

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:14:21am

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hundreds of millions in ad revenue Brad?
No
3 million in 2018

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:14:56am

re: #125 lawhawk

Lock him up but wait different rules for him.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:16:28am

@DevinCow will be busy today.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:18:30am

re: #103 makeitstop

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Much as i want it to be “he’s clueless unaware and dumb as a post”
This is gaslighting

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Belafon  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:19:31am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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I personally think that this compensation mechanism is the best way to do it. Let’s say, instead, that the NCAA decides athletes can work jobs instead. It will be very easy to for companies and on-campus orgs to find reason to hire the athletes over other students, a lot of whom didn’t get any scholarships or at least didn’t get enough to cover all of their costs.

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:19:52am

re: #132 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

Much as i want it to be “he’s clueless unaware and dumb as a post”
This is gaslighting

Why not both?

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:23:25am

Fact check: likely accurate. Trump knows Melania wouldn’t shed a tear for him.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:28:54am

re: #135 lawhawk

Fact check: likely accurate. Trump knows Melania wouldn’t shed a tear for him.

Nah Melania would get a bottle of bubbly. But how he processes people’s grief is disturbing shit IMO.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:33:41am

Since the resolution’s coming out of the House Rules Committee, the ranking member Tom Cole is up to bitch that the whole thing is “unfair” and there’s “no due process.”

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Belafon  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:35:14am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:36:08am

re: #137 Targetpractice

Since the resolution’s coming out of the House Rules Committee, the ranking member Tom Cole is up to bitch that the whole thing is “unfair” and there’s “no due process.”

Hes right there is no due process
Because this is a house vote on a resolution
Due process doesn’t apply
Neither does the infield fly rule

They keep using those words….

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:39:08am

re: #137 Targetpractice

Since the resolution’s coming out of the House Rules Committee, the ranking member Tom Cole is up to bitch that the whole thing is “unfair” and there’s “no due process.”

OFFS with this stupid no due process crap.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:39:46am

re: #139 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

Hes right there is no due process
Because this is a house vote on a resolution
Due process doesn’t apply
Neither does the infield fly rule

They keep using those words….

Three in the key does though since college basketball starts soon.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:39:48am
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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:40:21am

Nunes up to bitch that the Intel Committee has been turned into the “Impeachment Committee.”

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Belafon  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:40:56am
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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:41:41am

Dunno what to make of this…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:41:49am

re: #144 Belafon

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the process is “infair”

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:44:19am

Gym Jordan’s up now. “Sham process”! DRINK!

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:45:50am

re: #135 lawhawk

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Fact check: likely accurate. Trump knows Melania wouldn’t shed a tear for him.

Or couldn’t. It’s possible they didn’t install tear ducts in that model year.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:47:34am

re: #135 lawhawk

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Fact check: likely accurate. Trump knows Melania wouldn’t shed a tear for him.

if trump gets shot check the gun for Melanie’s prints.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:48:59am
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:51:36am
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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:51:45am

Collins up now. Time to turn down the volume on my headphones.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:51:46am

The Republican line to me seems to be Trump cannot be impeached because he’s above the law. It’s why they demand so much from witnesses and why Trump’s lawyer made the argument that Trump could do the shooting on 5th avenue and not be held criminally liable. It’s disturbing shit and Republicans are making Trump out to be the victim of the process which is the same process that was used to impeach Clinton for a far less serious crime.

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Belafon  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:52:03am
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Belafon  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:53:06am
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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:54:16am

Apparently Collins is completely angry that the Judiciary committee isn’t headlining the impeachment inquiry.

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:54:20am

Oh, my aching eyes.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:55:13am
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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:55:54am

Rules Committee chairman Jim McGovern slaps the Repubs who’ve been up so far across the face by noting all they want to talk is process, they don’t want to defend Trump’s actions.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 6:57:18am

Cole responds to bitch that since the Repubs didn’t get their way last night through amendments, they’re gonna spend today bitching that the process is “unfair.”

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:01:03am
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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:01:18am

re: #116 jeffreyw

Is this what it looks like when doves cry?

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:01:31am

Liz Cheney is up, so we get the nepotism opinion now.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:02:25am

Liz Cheney leaning on the “secret process” argument.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:02:54am

Projectin’ like an IMAX in Outer Space… SPACE… SPAAAAACE!!!!

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Dave In Austin  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:03:12am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:04:07am

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:04:16am

Liz Cheney spent her time bitching the same line she’s been bitching for days: That the Intel Committee looking into Trump’s actions are preventing it from looking into foreign threats.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:07:36am

You this is someone to watch. Straight shooter, he was Mattis’s speech writer.

I had instant respect for the man.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:07:43am

re: #168 Targetpractice

She’s trying to hide Trump’s actions that ARE foreign threats.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:09:07am

Babbitt to bitch about impeachment being a “waste of time” and push the “Trump was looking into corruption” BS.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:09:47am

re: #171 Targetpractice

He’s focused on acting very serious and indignant.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:10:22am

re: #135 lawhawk

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Fact check: likely accurate. Trump knows Melania wouldn’t shed a tear for him.

Given yesterday’s dog-gate I had to verify he really was at the hospital when scalise was shot. He was

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:10:40am

McGovern was right, all the Repubs want to do is continue the “process” BS while also attacking impeachment itself as “a waste of time.”

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:11:15am

re: #140 HappyWarrior

OFFS with this stupid no due process crap.

Especially when he’s bribing the jury as we speak

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:11:32am
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Belafon  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:12:02am

re: #140 HappyWarrior

OFFS with this stupid no due process crap.

Especially since they are following the Republican process.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:12:17am

re: #175 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

Especially when he’s bribing the jury as we speak

Threatening too.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:13:08am

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sagehen  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:13:57am

re: #149 I Would Prefer Not To

if trump gets shot check the gun for Melanie’s prints.

I feel certain Melania is fastidious enough to wear gloves.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:14:32am

re: #179 Dave In Austin

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why do they have belly buttons?

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:15:14am

Would have been nice to trim that flag poster correctly.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:16:11am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:19:26am

re: #142 jaunte

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…for his personal benefit

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:20:07am

re: #152 Targetpractice

Collins up now. Time to turn down the volume on my headphones.

Was she concerned…or merely disappointed?

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:21:01am

re: #185 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Was she concerned…or merely disappointed?

Wrong Collins. It was Doug Collins.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:23:29am

re: #186 Targetpractice

Wrong Collins. It was Doug Collins.

Damn. House. My bad.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:23:37am

Republicans bitching about the restrictions on their ability to subpoena witnesses, as if there’s any mystery who they really want to call: Any “witnesses” to Hunter Biden’s “crimes.”

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:23:39am

re: #156 Targetpractice

Apparently Collins is completely angry that the Judiciary committee isn’t headlining the impeachment inquiry.

It’s a natsec and intelligence based crime

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:23:49am

Good poster-fu

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:25:49am

re: #160 Targetpractice

Cole responds to bitch that since the Repubs didn’t get their way last night through amendments, they’re gonna spend today bitching that the process is “unfair.”

Talk to Senate Dems and the pile of house bills in Mitch’s drawer

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:26:36am

re: #188 Targetpractice

Republicans bitching about the restrictions on their ability to subpoena witnesses, as if there’s any mystery who they really want to call: Any “witnesses” to Hunter Biden’s “crimes.”

Damned good point.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:26:58am

re: #189 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

It’s a natsec and intelligence based crime

Exactly.

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:27:12am

Still waiting for any Republican to proclaim Trump’s innocence.

Not holding my breath.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:27:14am

Scalise up. I’d save myself time by just jamming knitting needles into my ears.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:27:18am

re: #170 jaunte

She’s trying to hide Trump’s actions that ARE foreign threats.

Its coming from inside the house!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:28:12am

re: #188 Targetpractice

Republicans bitching about the restrictions on their ability to subpoena witnesses, as if there’s any mystery who they really want to call: Any “witnesses” to Hunter Biden’s “crimes.”

Jacob Wohl can probably find one on craigslist.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:28:37am

“Soviet-style”! DRINK!

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:28:54am

Scalise is bitching about the rules that won’t allow R monkeywrenching.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:29:56am

Process process process. No defense of Trump’s actions.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:30:55am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:31:07am

re: #198 Targetpractice

“Soviet-style”! DRINK!

Oh please. Soviet style would have Trump already on trial for his life. What’s actually close to Soviet style is calling Hunter Biden a criminal.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:32:04am

re: #181 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

why do they have belly buttons?

Those aren’t navels. Those are crafty USB ports.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:32:20am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:32:56am

re: #201 Dave In Austin

Your leadership literally met to discuss how to make Obama as weak as possible. No one forced Trump to fire Comey. He could have let the 2016 election interference investigation happen but he didn’t because he knows he and his team did conspire with Russian government members to destabilize our election process to his benefit.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:33:39am

re: #204 jaunte

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Or that this is to protect a President whose favorite world leader is a former kgb man.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:34:09am

I love watching these guys demean themselves.

Charles! You up yet?
This is going to be a big day (And I’m shut in due to recovery)

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:34:18am
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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:36:04am

Fuckin’ finally, PBS nice enough to put up identifiers for the speakers.

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:38:09am

Man, Waters was fierce.

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jeffreyw  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:38:53am

re: #162 Feline Fearless Leader

Is this what it looks like when doves cry?

Usually they cry more.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:38:59am

re: #210 makeitstop

Man, Waters was fierce.

Michael Tracey reflexively dove for cover when she started speaking.

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:39:37am

The Rs keep reserving their time.

I see some stupid bit of theater in the works.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:40:21am

re: #201 Dave In Austin

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Republicans were planning the impeachment of President Hillary Clinton even before the election.

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Interesting Times  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:41:02am

re: #213 makeitstop

The Rs keep reserving their time.

I see some stupid bit of theater in the works.

Are there things they can actually do to delay the vote aside from crazy physical disruptions?

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:41:11am
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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:43:11am
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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:43:18am

Cole offering amendments. Trying to buy time and put off the vote.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:44:19am

Whining Oklahoma…….
Now Republican California is up. Saying Elections have Consequences.

Blubber.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:44:56am

McCarthy up and immediately starts with bullshit about “elections have consequences,” where we’re just supposed to ignore the elections that happened 1 year ago next week. Then moves on to bitching that Congress “isn’t doing anything.”

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:44:57am

Kevin McCarthy with the “elections have consequences” line. Double edge sword there, Kev.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:45:36am
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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:45:53am

Here’s a little Talmudic witchcraft thread

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:45:57am

re: #181 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

why do they have belly buttons?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:46:51am

re: #214 The Pie Overlord!

Republicans were planning the impeachment of President Hillary Clinton even before the election.

Graham was talking about blocking her SCOTUS appointments. The Republicans have no room at all to complain about how Trump is treated..

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:48:02am

re: #220 Targetpractice

McCarthy up and immediately starts with bullshit about “elections have consequences,” where we’re just supposed to ignore the elections that happened 1 year ago next week. Then moves on to bitching that Congress “isn’t doing anything.”

Elections do indeed have consequences. That’s why we’re impeaching Trump you fuck nugget because your party was too busy covering his ass the first two years. And you yourself were at a meeting that conspired to weaken and delegitmize Obama.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:48:08am

“…By the way, the reasons for Democrats holding private interviews, and conducting them like grand jury hearings, are obvious: They minimize political grandstanding by lawmakers and witnesses. They allow staff attorneys to ask questions for extended blocks of time, and private interviews prevent witnesses from lining up their stories in advance by simply watching what other witnesses say during public hearings.

To its credit, The Washington Post recently published a stinging editorial condemning Republicans for their bogus “process” attacks. “There is an old Washington saying that if you’re arguing about process, you’re losing,” the Post editorial board wrote. “A follow-on maxim might be: If you are wrong on process, too, you must really be in trouble.”

But this frank discussion should not be restricted to the opinion pages. The fact is, Democrats are following the established rules, as National Memo’s Joe Conason helpfully pointed out. “House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA), today insists the impeachment inquiry shouldn’t proceed unless the Republicans are permitted to issue subpoenas — but the rule that awards subpoena power exclusively to the majority is precisely what he and his cronies approved four years ago,” Conason wrote.”
dailykos.com

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:50:06am

“The people” are the reason you’re not Speaker, Kev. But let’s not facts get in the way of partisan bitching.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:51:19am

Whiny whiny whiny

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:51:42am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:51:46am

re: #229 jaunte

Whiny whiny whiny

I really hope that’s what the country is seeing.

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:51:49am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:52:13am

re: #200 jaunte

Process process process. No defense of Trump’s actions.

The GOP is basically down to two arguments - actually excuses.
- The actions don’t rise to the level of removing a sitting president (but cf the blue dress)
- the election is too close and democratic norms should be respected.

neither is a ringing endorsement or says that he didn’t do it

the game is sort of over. we all know what happened. they know what happened.

either defend it or cut and run

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:52:49am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

Trump’s hard core base is made up of vicious, victimized whining bullies.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:53:09am

re: #230 jaunte

The thing is they have kept their promise. They are holding Trump accountable and they have passed legislation but Kev’s counterpart in the Senate has blocked that. The Do Nothings in Congress aren’t the Dems. They are the Republicans who see themselves as Trump’s protectors especially people like Gaetz, Jordan, Meadows, and others who have no independence at all from what the Trump WH wants.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:53:33am

re: #234 jaunte

Trump’s hard core base is made up of vicious, victimized whining bullies.

Yep and some of them are our family members agh.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:55:35am

And so we move onto the vote itself.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:55:42am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Yep and some of them are our family members agh.

Yes and they are praying for the death of Nancy Pelosi…

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 7:57:11am
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sagehen  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:04:30am

re: #233 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

The GOP is basically down to two arguments - actually excuses.
- The actions don’t rise to the level of removing a sitting president (but cf the blue dress)
- the election is too close and democratic norms should be respected.

several months less close than the Merrick Garland nomination.

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Jay C  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:05:10am

re: #228 Targetpractice

“The people” are the reason you’re not Speaker, Kev. But let’s not facts get in the way of partisan bitching.

Of course not, partisan bitching is pretty much all they have to offer. At this point in time, anyway. I’m sure that as the “formal” impeachment hearings progress, they’ll find a new “argument”. Actually, it will probably be the same-old partisan bitching: they’ll just find new ways to fine-tune the “message”.

But then again, partisanality is really all they have by way of “defense”. And (IMO) their biggest advantage comes in the very nature of the Constitutional impeachment process.
It’s not a purely “legal” process, and neither is it purely “political”: but an odd hybrid affair - and one with no Constitutional avenue of appeal: the Senate’s judgment is final - one in which political motivations (and legalistic maneuvering) can be exploited by either side as considered necessary.
And, as we’ve seen from Trump’s blatant attempts to bribe Senators into committing to a favorable “verdict” with porkbarrel goodies/campaign cash, “necessary” is a fairly broad concept.

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:06:19am

Vote underway, and the GOP will latch on to fact that one Democrat voted against the impeachment resolution.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:06:47am

re: #242 lawhawk

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Vote underway, and the GOP will latch on to fact that one Democrat voted against the impeachment resolution.

I think we all know who that one Democrat is.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:08:06am

bastids at Sears

our stove, which was supposed to be delivered 10/29 and was delayed to 11/1 was this morning again delayed to 11/8.

i’ll spare you the idiocy of the conversation, high demand, manufacturer delays*, except this part:

on monday you called and said it would be delivered tuesday
so monday night we took out the old stove
tuesday you said we’d have it friday
we said we dont have a stove.
you actually said, “i understand how it can be difficult to cook without a stove”

today you say it’s delayed again - for another week and a half - wtf are we supposed to do?

(now wait for it…)

“yes, but now you have a guarantee that it will be delivered on 11/8.”

apparently the 4 previous phone calls were not ‘guarantees’

*it was ordered 30 days ago. they didnt know then?

ps - you know what we did — we put the old stove back in.
scum sucking pig-dogs

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:09:06am

Looks like Amash voted for the inquiry.

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:10:22am

I haven’t listened to C-SPAN callers for years. Some of these people are fucking nuts.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:10:33am

re: #243 Targetpractice

Who? Not getting it.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:11:07am

re: #247 Dave In Austin

Who? Not getting it.

There’s no official Yea/Nay breakdown yet, but I think there’s little doubt it was Tulsi Gabbard.

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:11:18am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

Outside The Lines
✔
@OTLonESPN

“What you can’t have is a couple athletes driving around in Ferraris while everybody else is basically having a hard time making ends meet.”@MittRomney, who’s in favor of athlete compensation for name, image and likeness, explains there needs to be adjustments to the approach.

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What Romney means, “unless a subsidiary of Bain Capitol administers the payout to the college athelete.”

Shades of when the NFL set up savings-pension plans for NFL players in the 1990s.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:11:23am

re: #240 sagehen

several months less close than the Merrick Garland nomination.

conflating the impeachment process with elections is a real desperate move

no time limit was written into the advice and consent clause - that’s kind of how mitch got away with it

neither was one written into the impeachment clauses. the house could vote and send it over a month before the election if they wanted to

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:11:25am

re: #242 lawhawk

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Vote underway, and the GOP will latch on to fact that one Democrat voted against the impeachment resolution.

Who is the 1 Dem Nay ?

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:11:43am

Isn’t this kind of illegal?

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:12:22am

re: #252 makeitstop

Isn’t this kind of illegal?

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Going the Capone route: Bribing the jury.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:13:06am

re: #245 Targetpractice

Looks like Amash voted for the inquiry.

excellent!
so totally bi-partisan // .5

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:13:06am

re: #87 HappyWarrior

It’s so telling when we talk about a progressive income structure. People like Mitt are the first to complain that it’s punishing success but now it’s oh those college kids might have nice sports cars.

What happened to free market Mitt?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:13:28am

re: #252 makeitstop

Isn’t this kind of illegal?

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like kinda pregnant…

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:14:12am

re: #245 Targetpractice

Looks like Amash voted for the inquiry.

How did Tulsi vote?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:14:37am

lolololololololol

where’s melanoma’s coat?

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:14:44am

re: #252 makeitstop

Isn’t this kind of illegal?

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just another clause in the articles

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Dave In Austin  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:14:52am

re: #248 Targetpractice

Fuck…. Of course it is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:15:12am
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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:15:21am
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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:16:02am

re: #259 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

just another clause in the articles

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The RNC is a private corporation, I’m sure they have their own rules ion this stuff?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:16:03am
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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:16:36am

The more the Repubs try to make this about next year’s election, the more damaging it becomes every time a witness takes the stand to testify that Trump wanted Ukraine to interfere in that very election.

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:17:00am
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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:17:30am

re: #251 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

Not sure, but it may be a guy from South Jersey.

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:17:36am

re: #97 makeitstop

He played bass on a lot of ‘Electric Ladyland,’ once Noel Redding started getting pissy that his songs weren’t being included on the album.

That’s Jimi playing bass on ‘All Along the Watchtower’ and ‘Crosstown Traffic.’

Jimi also complained that his band (including Redding) wasn’t talented enough to keep up with him.

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:19:48am

re: #268 BeenHereAwhile

Jimi also complained that his band (including Redding) wasn’t talented enough to keep up with him.

He loved Mitch Mitchell, though. He’d even pass on going out to jam if ‘his drummer’ couldn’t go with him.

Mitchell was a huge part of the Experience’s sound.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:20:20am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:20:39am
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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:23:07am

Oh, sorry, apparently when I said “the vote was happening,” the vote that was happening was on whether to move the resolution forward.

Now they’re voted on the resolution.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:23:53am
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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:24:21am

Lowered the rates again.

That’s implicit signal that the economy isn’t strong. It’s a sign that Trump’s idiotic trade war is damaging the economy and the Fed is stepping in to fix the mess Trump is making of things. Even still, the economy is limping towards a recession thanks to Trump.

All the TCJA did was accelerate redistribution of wealth to the rich, while everyone else got the scraps. Economic growth is meager (and something 2012 Trump warned was a disaster).

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:25:23am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:26:26am

re: #252 makeitstop

Isn’t this kind of illegal?

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Adam Parkhomenko @AdamParkhomenko deleted that tweet.

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Jay C  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:26:54am

re: #275 lawhawk

So just one of two Dem “Nays” so far.
(About 1:00 left)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:26:55am

he’s been tweeting…

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:27:09am

The solution: bribe Senators.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:27:34am

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

To the Republicans I say this: Do not dilute our democracy by allowing politicians to interfere with the constitutional impeachment process from their bubble in Washington, DC.

if a blue dress, and lying to a GJ about consensual sex rose to the level of a Senate trial, THIS does.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:28:36am

re: #263 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

The RNC is a private corporation, I’m sure they have their own rules ion this stuff?

i was thinking it’s more obstruction of justice

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:29:01am

re: #265 Targetpractice

The more the Repubs try to make this about next year’s election, the more damaging it becomes every time a witness takes the stand to testify that Trump wanted Ukraine to interfere in that very election.

ding!

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Jay C  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:29:26am

ANNNDD! That’s it!

Final vote 232-196-4

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:30:26am

re: #276 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Adam Parkhomenko @AdamParkhomenko deleted that tweet.

The story has shown up elsewhere, though.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:30:42am

hahahahaha

idiots

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:30:47am

re: #275 lawhawk

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From what I’m reading, he’s basically a Trump-country Dem who’s likely scared shitless about next year. But expect him to be held up as “proof” that the party leadership fears impeachment will lose them red-state support next year.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:31:46am

re: #157 makeitstop

Oh, my aching eyes.

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Hey now, that dude might have been waiting his whole life to do that.

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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:32:03am
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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:32:15am

The GOP must be held to account, but given the gerrymandering, reducing this number further in 2020 is a tall task.

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Belafon  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:33:15am

re: #288 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

North Korea launched two more short range missiles and nobody seems Republicans don’t seem to care anymore

FTFH

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Belafon  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:33:58am

re: #289 lawhawk

The GOP must be held to account, but given the gerrymandering, reducing this number further in 2020 is a tall task.

There’s still room or all those Republicans wouldn’t be calling it quits.

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:34:33am

re: #288 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:36:11am
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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:36:39am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:37:37am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:38:03am

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahaha

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idiots

Well considering that anyone who threatened to impeach Stalin would be promptly imprisoned and/or shot, this argument seems like a non starter.

//

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:38:21am

Okay, back to business.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:39:03am

re: #168 Targetpractice

Liz Cheney spent her time bitching the same line she’s been bitching for days: That the Intel Committee looking into Trump’s actions are preventing it from looking into foreign threats.

Bitch, you guys have had 3 years to look into foreign threats and haven’t done a fucking thing. STFU and STFD.

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Chrysicat  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:39:04am

re: #288 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:39:10am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:39:55am

re: #298 Eventual Carrion

Bitch, you guys have had 3 years to look into foreign threats and haven’t done a fucking thing. STFU and STFD.

Has Liz talked to Mitch? There is an election security bill on the Senate’s table. She’s worse than her father since she’s so nakedly partisan about national security.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:40:00am
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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:42:30am

Would anyone be surprised if this asshole signed on to Trump’s defense team? I wouldn’t.

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:43:54am

re: #303 makeitstop

Starr would want to be paid up front.

He knows better.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:44:23am

Art.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:45:13am

Honestly, the last thing I want is Ken Starr involved in ANOTHER fucking impeachment.

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:45:48am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:47:24am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:48:48am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:49:40am

re: #303 makeitstop

Would anyone be surprised if this asshole signed on to Trump’s defense team? I wouldn’t.

There’s no one whose hypocrisy on this whole thing pisses me off more than Ken Starr.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:50:17am

re: #306 Eclectic Cyborg

Honestly, the last thing I want is Ken Starr involved in ANOTHER fucking impeachment.

Drain the swamp! But here’s the guy who was in charge of the last impeachment. Honestly, I kind of would welcome Starr being involved because it would show you just how hypocritical the GOP really is.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:51:07am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tehy don’t know what due process fucking is and this shows it. There’s nothing unlawful about investigating unlawful activity.

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Jay C  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:51:53am

BTW, the two Democrats who voted against formalizing the impeachment inquiry were Collin Peterson (MN) and Jeff Van Drew (NJ). Tulsi Gabbard May not have voted and/or wasn’t there .
(via dKos)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:51:54am

re: #307 makeitstop

Rudy hanging out to dry and just banking that Senate R’s just won’t convict Trump because of his new extortion?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:52:27am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

Edited for accuracy:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:53:04am

re: #313 Jay C

BTW, the two Democrats who voted against formalizing the impeachment inquiry were Collin Peterson (MN) and Jeff Van Drew (NJ). Tulsi Gabbard May not have voted and/or wasn’t there .
(via dKos)

Gabbard didn’t vote on the Armenian genocide thing either.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:53:33am

re: #168 Targetpractice

Liz Cheney spent her time bitching the same line she’s been bitching for days: That the Intel Committee looking into Trump’s actions are preventing it from looking into foreign threats.

Liz. They’re one in the same.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:55:10am

fucking clueless

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:55:33am

re: #318 Backwoods_Sleuth

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:55:44am

re: #296 Eclectic Cyborg

Well considering that anyone who threatened to impeach Stalin would be promptly imprisoned and/or shot, this argument seems like a non starter.

//

its idiotic and stunningly ignorant of history

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:59:21am

re: #318 Backwoods_Sleuth

fucking clueless

Did this dipshit just compare her father to Thomas fucking Jefferson? Oh and I can’t express how pathetic it is to see a crook like Ivanka crying on Twitter about how wrong her Dad is getting it. She’s going along with the same crap that Vindland is a spy that FNC did. She’s just quoting Martha Jefferson and thinking she’s being profound. ivanka can rot in a cell with her dad, brothers, and husband, And her kids can be raised by a family who aren’t crooks.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:59:49am

re: #297 makeitstop

Okay, back to business.

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They better get used to it. The revelations are only going to get worse, not better. The extortion and bribery of Ukraine is by no means an isolated incident. It is the M/O of an on-going criminal enterprise.

While the R’s think there’s a possibility that they will take a serious hit with swing voters by voting to acquit, they still think voting to remove would be a bigger hit.

They were ready to remove Bill Clinton over a soiled dress and a lie told over a private matter. That they took very seriously.

(yes i know, but) If a Democratic President was blackmailing foreign governments into investigating a likely Republican nominee for President, they’d be far past the serious part of the program here. And they all know that. They all know we know that. We know they know we know.

As an aside, congrats to Trump - the first President ever:
elected to the office
still in his first term
seeking reelection
and impeached.

So much winning!

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plansbandc  Oct 31, 2019 • 8:59:59am
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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:02:34am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:03:05am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

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if the president has done nothing wrong, then you should have no problem with an open investigation with R’s participating in the questioning. clear things right up, won’t it?

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:03:15am

OT roundball news: Steph Curry broke his hand last night. Golden State’s fall from grace is just about complete.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:06:47am

re: #326 makeitstop

OT roundball news: Steph Curry broke his hand last night. Golden State’s fall from grace is just about complete.

Eh, they had a good run.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:06:48am

re: #326 makeitstop

OT roundball news: Steph Curry broke his hand last night. Golden State’s fall from grace is just about complete.

They had a good run but we’re going to see a new power emerge in the NBA. My youngest brother is a big NBA fan. Not of any team but really likes players. His favorite was Dirk. I was curious who his new favorites are. Luka Doncic and Nikola Jonic since in his words Euro-ball is where it’s at so I called him a Yugosnob which is doubly funny since our grandfather’s parents were from Slovenia. Those Warriors were fun to watch because I like a three much more than a slam dunk but I like seeing new powers emerge. It won’t be too long when Lebron who I’ve followed since high school is retired.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:07:04am

re: #327 Eclectic Cyborg

Eh, they had a good run.

A great run.

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plansbandc  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:09:23am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

What’s fun about this NBA season is there are several teams good enough to win it all. That hasn’t happened in decades.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:11:11am

re: #330 plansbandc

What’s fun about this NBA season is there are several teams good enough to win it all. That hasn’t happened in decades.

I must admit that I don’t pay much attention. Who looks good? I’ve never really had a NBA team to actively root for. I sorta like the Wizards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:11:15am
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Chrysicat  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:11:27am
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Eventual Carrion  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:12:02am

re: #219 Dave In Austin

Whining Oklahoma…….
Now Republican California is up. Saying Elections have Consequences.

Blubber.

So do crimes against the US.

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:13:05am

re: #330 plansbandc

What’s fun about this NBA season is there are several teams good enough to win it all. That hasn’t happened in decades.

I’m not sure it’s ever really happened. Usually there’s like 2 or 3, maybe 4 teams that could win it all. There’s probably 6 teams in the west that could win and another two in the east.

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:14:07am

re: #219 Dave In Austin

Whining Oklahoma…….
Now Republican California is up. Saying Elections have Consequences.

Blubber.

Funny has 2016 had consequences but 2018 doesn’t…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:15:06am

re: #336 KGxvi

Funny has 2016 had consequences but 2018 doesn’t…

Or 2008.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:15:08am

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Has Liz talked to Mitch? There is an election security bill on the Senate’s table. She’s worse than her father since she’s so nakedly partisan about national security.

Someone should tweet that at her. What hypocrisy. If Liz is truly concerned about foreign attacks on the U.S., she can go ask Mitch to do something. He’s the hold up.

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plansbandc  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:15:17am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

Clippers, Lakers, Sixers, Bucks, Nuggets, Blazers all have a legit shot. Several other very solid teams. The west is packed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:16:10am

re: #339 plansbandc

Clippers, Lakers, Sixers, Bucks, Nuggets, Blazers all have a legit shot. Several other very solid teams. The west is packed.

The West is always packed. My brother was rooting for the Nuggets last year in the West and the Bucks in the East.

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SerialUpDinger  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:16:44am

re: #97 makeitstop

here is more info on that track. Dave Mason played a few ‘takes’ on the song as well.
bobbyowsinskiblog.com

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:17:00am

re: #333 Chrysicat

It’s shocking how someone who made four times the median income was able to have money to invest which allowed her to build additional wealth. Also, she’s been married since 1963 to a real estate and venture capitalist… so, yeah, that’s probably where most of her wealth came from.

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plansbandc  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:17:19am

re: #340 HappyWarrior

I’ve been a Nuggets fan since they were in the ABA. This is the first year in my lifetime that they are legitimate contenders.

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Chrysicat  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:17:20am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

I must admit that I don’t pay much attention. Who looks good? I’ve never really had a NBA team to actively root for. I sorta like the Wizards.

I’d really like to say “The Nuggets”, but the fact is they’d first have to get around the way that Dallas seems specifically constructed to defeat them. That said, the Jazz look to have been overrated by the pros, so the Nuggets should win their div and prolly have a top-3 seed in the conference.

The Lakers are fools’ gold, because they have to have both a healthy AD and a healthy Bron, and one or the other has missed about half a season every year out of the last 5.

The Clips, unfortunately, are not. Kawhi is likely the missing piece to win their div at the very least.

And to be honest, I don’t pay much attention to the Leastern Conference, but Milwaukee and Philly look to be the class there because of their individual stars in Giannis and Embiid (even if Embiid is overrated by easterners who want to dismiss Jokic as a fad).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:18:10am

re: #343 plansbandc

I’ve been a Nuggets fan since they were in the ABA. This is the first year in my lifetime that they are legitimate contenders.

I tend to have soft spots for places where my family has lived. My Dad’s older brothers and sisters lievd in Denver in the mid 40’s and my Aunt has lived in Boulder since the late 60’s.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:18:57am

Free Speech.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:19:21am

re: #344 Chrysicat

I’d really like to say “The Nuggets”, but the fact is they’d first have to get around the way that Dallas seems specifically constructed to defeat them. That said, the Jazz look to have been overrated by the pros, so the Nuggets should win their div and prolly have a top-3 seed in the conference.

The Lakers are fools’ gold, because they have to have both a healthy AD and a healthy Bron, and one or the other has missed about half a season every year out of the last 5.

The Clips, unfortunately, are not. Kawhi is likely the missing piece to win their div at the very least.

And to be honest, I don’t pay much attention to the Leastern Conference, but Milwaukee and Philly look to be the class there because of their individual stars in Giannis and Embiid (even if Embiid is overrated by easterners who want to dismiss Jokic as a fad).

My brother had good things to say about Jokic. He’s a student of the NBA the way I am MLB. He’s very much our father’s son in his love of basketball.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:19:22am

re: #303 makeitstop

Would anyone be surprised if this asshole signed on to Trump’s defense team? I wouldn’t.

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re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

….

The greatest witch hunt in American history was actually the effort to remove Clinton from office, starting with the attempts to link him to the Vince Foster death and the Whitewater investigation, and ending with the Kenneth Starr inquisition. But then, the GOP considers a Democrat as President in and of itself a “high crime and misdemeanor”.

Personally, it’s hard to believe that even Starr would be foolish enough to get involved in this process — certainly he would recognize the hypocrisy of this action and it’s not as though he’s an elected official afraid of losing his job

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plansbandc  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:19:57am

I’ll try this one. Same theme, less esoteric…

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:20:16am

re: #346 DodgerFan1988

That’s how we feel in the D.C. area. Lol

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:21:01am

re: #350 Patricia Kayden

That’s how we feel in the D.C. area. Lol

Yep and we get called elites by it by people who worship Trump.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:21:23am

re: #343 plansbandc

I’ve been a Nuggets fan since they were in the ABA. This is the first year in my lifetime that they are legitimate contenders.

The best ABA team ever….

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plansbandc  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:22:35am

re: #347 HappyWarrior

Jokic is my favorite player of any sport. He looks like a slow dumpy guy, and players underestimate him. He messes around and gets triple doubles.

The coaches in the NBA do NOT underestimate him.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:22:47am

re: #343 plansbandc

I’ve been a Nuggets fan since they were in the ABA. This is the first year in my lifetime that they are legitimate contenders.

I was overjoyed to see my Raptors win it all last year, but my favorite pro sports team of all time hasn’t won a title since 1967 in what is one of the longest title droughts in pro sports.

So I sympathize with your position.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:23:23am

re: #346 DodgerFan1988

Free Speech.

I’d Venmo that guy a case of beer.

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:23:38am

re: #344 Chrysicat

I’d really like to say “The Nuggets”, but the fact is they’d first have to get around the way that Dallas seems specifically constructed to defeat them. That said, the Jazz look to have been overrated by the pros, so the Nuggets should win their div and prolly have a top-3 seed in the conference.

The Lakers are fools’ gold, because they have to have both a healthy AD and a healthy Bron, and one or the other has missed about half a season every year out of the last 5.

The Clips, unfortunately, are not. Kawhi is likely the missing piece to win their div at the very least.

And to be honest, I don’t pay much attention to the Leastern Conference, but Milwaukee and Philly look to be the class there because of their individual stars in Giannis and Embiid (even if Embiid is overrated by easterners who want to dismiss Jokic as a fad).

Embiid needs to stop being a knucklehead. He’s probably about to get a multi-game suspension for his fight with Karl Anthony Towns last night, which he made worse by flexing and working up the crowd after he got tossed.

He’s a great player, but he’s gotta dial it back some. Refs are going to be hawking him like crazy after last night.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:24:04am

re: #353 plansbandc

Jokic is my favorite player of any sport. He looks like a slow dumpy guy, and players underestimate him. He messes around and gets triple doubles.

The coaches in the NBA do NOT underestimate him.

My brother plays pick up basketball. He’s not the fastest guy on the court ever nor the tallest but he fights for every ball. One kid called him “Big Country” this past summer and it’s sort of become his nickname among my Dad and me because he looks like a big countryboy. I’m not small but I’m not built the way he is.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:24:14am

re: #351 HappyWarrior

Yep and we get called elites by it by people who worship Trump.

Guaranteed the Right-Wing Smear Machine will dig into this man’s private life and destroy him like they did with Katie Hill.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:24:58am

re: #348 Hecuba’s daughter

The greatest witch hunt in American history was actually the effort to remove Clinton from office, starting with the attempts to link him to the Vince Foster death and the Whitewater investigation, and ending with the Kenneth Starr inquisition. But then, the GOP considers a Democrat as President in and of itself a “high crime and misdemeanor”.

Personally, it’s hard to believe that even Starr would be foolish enough to get involved in this process — certainly he would recognize the hypocrisy of this action and it’s not as though he’s an elected official afraid of losing his job

Not even Clinton. The actual witch hunts that killed people were pretty damn bad. Trump just loves to be a victim.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:24:58am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

And her kids can be raised by a family who aren’t crooks.

Assumes relatives not in evidence.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:25:15am

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Chrysicat  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:26:23am

re: #343 plansbandc

I’ve been a Nuggets fan since they were in the ABA. This is the first year in my lifetime that they are legitimate contenders.

To an extent.

They were very, very good their first two years in the NBA, and then the “treated like an expansion team” punishments came down on their heads and they remained a fringe playoff team mainly because of brilliant trades like the one that brought in English. Also, you forget ‘87-88, when if they’d got through the Mavs they’d have won it all, and they only fell to the Mavs because one of their star PGs—I think it was Adams, but it might have been Fat—was injured beginning in the second game of the series.

And then there’s ‘94, where they admittedly had no business being on the same court with the Sonics, but were a game from the WCF regardless and were built to beat Houston, so The Jet likely wouldn’t have a ring now.

And of course, ‘09, where a simple inbounds play means a WCF Game 7, though admittedly it’d have been at Staples.

And that led to the team being considered a contender for ‘09-10 (even at playoff time, since the Nuggets were a key part of the imagery for the league’s ads that year), which of course worked out badly mainly because we wound up having to see Dantley coach against legendary Jerry Sloane.

But that’s still 6 years out of 42.

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:29:28am

re: #354 Eclectic Cyborg

I was overjoyed to see my Raptors win it all last year, but my favorite pro sports team of all time hasn’t won a title since 1967 in what is one of the longest title droughts in pro sports.

So I sympathize with your position.

I sort of realized something a few years ago, and it made being a fan a lot easier. In modern pro sports, all things being equal, your team is only going to win once every 30 (or 32) years; you’ll get a trip to the finals every 15 or 16 years as well. Anything better than that is gravy.

Then again, I grew up in the LA area and the Lakers have won 10 titles in my 42 years (with 6 more trips to the finals), so I’m way ahead.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:29:31am

The Nats winning the WS has left me as an Orioles fan bittersweet. Like I’m happy to see a team that has never win the WS win a WS and I have a lot of Nats fans friends and family.

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:31:22am

re: #364 HappyWarrior

I felt the same way about the Angels winning in 2002. But at least that year they beat the Giants, so I could take some solace in that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:31:54am

re: #363 KGxvi

I sort of realized something a few years ago, and it made being a fan a lot easier. In modern pro sports, all things being equal, your team is only going to win once every 30 (or 32) years; you’ll get a trip to the finals every 15 or 16 years as well. Anything better than that is gravy.

Then again, I grew up in the LA area and the Lakers have won 10 titles in my 42 years (with 6 more trips to the finals), so I’m way ahead.

I’m spoiled in football- Steelers but cursed in baseball- Orioles so I’m able to appreciate good times and bad. The fans I hate the most are the ones who act like their team is some kind of failure if they don’t win it all every year. I mean yeah I get expectations are different when you’re a perennial contender but odds are odds after all. I was astonished that this is the first decade since the 1910’s with no Yankees in the WS. They’ve only won one WS since 2001 which astonishes me given how much wealth they’ve had. That said, they still do consistently make the playoffs. The argument shouldn’t be simply money buys championships.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:32:44am

re: #365 KGxvi

I felt the same way about the Angels winning in 2002. But at least that year they beat the Giants, so I could take some solace in that.

And you had 1988 and 1981 to look back on. I’ve never seen a pennant winner. Is the intercity rivalry that big between the two or is it more like Lakers-Clippers have been?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:33:05am

heh

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:33:10am

re: #364 HappyWarrior

The Nats winning the WS has left me as an Orioles fan bittersweet. Like I’m happy to see a team that has never win the WS win a WS and I have a lot of Nats fans friends and family.

As a former resident of Houston, I was rooting for the Astros early on. But, after the Brandon Taubman fiasco and the brilliant reaction to Donnie by the Nats fans, I gladly jumped on their bandwagon. I’m done with the ‘Stros altogether.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:35:51am

re: #333 Chrysicat

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Only a gooberite Republican base dupe would be stupid enough to suppose that a congressional salary is the entire family’s sole source of income. In fact, husband Paul is a notably successful investor and the family was wealthy before Nancy ever entered Congress.

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:36:22am

Congrats to the Expos?

I mean, that’s what this organization is. /dating myself

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:37:41am

re: #369 Dr. Matt

As a former resident of Houston, I was rooting for the Astros early on. But, after the Brandon Taubman fiasco and the brilliant reaction to Donnie by the Nats fans, I gladly jumped on their bandwagon. I’m done with the ‘Stros altogether.

Yeah fuck Taubman. The booing of Trump did make it easier but I really try not to mix politics and sports though funnily enough my NFL and MLB team of choice both have owners that have supported Democrats. The Orioles aven posted a nice tribute to Cummings.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:38:28am

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Actually, it’s worse than that for them. When this all began a month ago, the count was roughly around 220 votes in favor of an impeachment inquiry. Today it’s over 230. The idea that impeachment would remain unpopular or become more so, scaring red state Dems into voting against it, has pretty much fallen by the wayside by this point.

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John Hughes  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:38:41am

re: #303 makeitstop

Ken Starr Resigns as Baylor Chancellor in Wake of Sex-Assault Case Controversy

“Ken Starr resigns for not being diligent in investigating sex scandal”.

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Chrysicat  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:39:02am

re: #366 HappyWarrior

I’m spoiled in football- Steelers but cursed in baseball- Orioles so I’m able to appreciate good times and bad. The fans I hate the most are the ones who act like their team is some kind of failure if they don’t win it all every year. I mean yeah I get expectations are different when you’re a perennial contender but odds are odds after all. I was astonished that this is the first decade since the 1910’s with no Yankees in the WS. They’ve only won one WS since 2001 which astonishes me given how much wealth they’ve had. That said, they still do consistently make the playoffs. The argument shouldn’t be simply money buys championships.

Bear in mind that had they made it this year, it wouldn’t have been buying a championship—not to the extent of the Astros, anyway!

LeMahieu was their MVP and he was a bargain-basement signing who was seen as poor compensation for missing out on Machado and watching Arenado sign an-extension-that-was-stupid-for-both-sides.

Beyond that, Urshela was admittedly sold straight-up by Toronto, but nobody thought they were dealing a star, while the rest of the infield was actually home-grown. Admittedly, they still paid though the nose for their outfield, but even then they had to call up a farmhand while Stanton was out for almost a half season.

I will, however, admit that while DJ took a “prove-it” deal, he’d never have signed the same deal outside NYC and maybe Chicago or LA. Most years, I’d have added the Bay Area to that, but no one sane wants to sign with the A’s as a vet, and the Giants were always going to have a down year and DJ knew it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:39:52am

re: #371 lawhawk

Congrats to the Expos?

I mean, that’s what this organization is. /dating myself

And that’s what my older family don’t get. When the Nats moved to down, they were the Expos. I’m expected to leave the team I’ve rooted my entire life for the former Expos. They have their own identity now but 15 years ago when the MLB contracted the Expos, they did not.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:40:21am

I put on my hazmat suit and tuned into Limbaugh. He repeatedly said the whistleblower’s name, as that’s been going around the right wing fever swamps today.

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:41:08am

re: #367 HappyWarrior

And you had 1988 and 1981 to look back on. I’ve never seen a pennant winner. Is the intercity rivalry that big between the two or is it more like Lakers-Clippers have been?

It’s more like the Lakers-Clippers. Though it changed a bit after 2002.

I remember going to freeway series games (even before interleague play) and the Dodger fans at Angel Stadium would drown out Angel fans during take me out to the ballgame.

After the Angels won they had a lot of pink hat fans that ended up staying on. But it’s very regional. You won’t find Angel fans in LA proper, mostly in Orange County or right on the border of the counties. But you’ll still find Dodger fans in Orange County. (Which is similar to the Kings and Ducks dynamic as well)

The Clippers don’t really have a fan base, the Lakers own everything that makes up the LA market.

I’ve not figured out the Rams and Chargers fan bases yet. The Rams at least had a history here to draw on, but 20 years is a long time - especially in a town with this many transplants. The Chargers have a decent fan base in Orange County, but not many of them seem interested in driving to Carson for games.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:41:58am

re: #371 lawhawk

Congrats to the Expos?

I mean, that’s what this organization is. /dating myself

Congrats to the Detroit Tigers because the heart of their 2014* pitchers have won the World Series on last year’s and this year’s respective winners.

*corrected to 2014

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:42:05am

re: #375 Chrysicat

Bear in mind that had they made it this year, it wouldn’t have been buying a championship—not to the extent of the Astros, anyway!

LeMahieu was their MVP and he was a bargain-basement signing who was seen as poor compensation for missing out on Machado and watching Arenado sign an-extension-that-was-stupid-for-both-sides.

Beyond that, Urshela was admittedly sold straight-up by Toronto, but nobody thought they were dealing a star, while the rest of the infield was actually home-grown. Admittedly, they still paid though the nose for their outfield, but even then they had to call up a farmhand while Stanton was out for almost a half season.

I will, however, admit that while DJ took a “prove-it” deal, he’d never have signed the same deal outside NYC and maybe Chicago or LA. Most years, I’d have added the Bay Area to that, but no one sane wants to sign with the A’s as a vet, and the Giants were always going to have a down year and DJ knew it.

Oh yeah these aren’t the old Steinbrenner Yankees. What George’s boys are doing is smart baseball. They’re trying to create a new core like they did when they had Jeter, Williams, Rivera, and Posada in the 90’s and early 00’s. That was why they won those championships not the big names. I’m hoping the Orioles ownership which now funnily enough has two sons of the former owner (though Peter Angelos is still officially the owner) in charge learn from the same lessons. This year was a bad team but they made a great GM hire IMO and they’re drafting and developing better.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:43:18am

Limbaugh also gave it away today. He said “A lack of defending Trump is a lack of defending us.” It’s not about what’s right or wrong, it’s only about defending the tribe.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:43:19am

re: #378 KGxvi

It’s more like the Lakers-Clippers. Though it changed a bit after 2002.

I remember going to freeway series games (even before interleague play) and the Dodger fans at Angel Stadium would drown out Angel fans during take me out to the ballgame.

After the Angels won they had a lot of pink hat fans that ended up staying on. But it’s very regional. You won’t find Angel fans in LA proper, mostly in Orange County or right on the border of the counties. But you’ll still find Dodger fans in Orange County. (Which is similar to the Kings and Ducks dynamic as well)

The Clippers don’t really have a fan base, the Lakers own everything that makes up the LA market.

I’ve not figured out the Rams and Chargers fan bases yet. The Rams at least had a history here to draw on, but 20 years is a long time - especially in a town with this many transplants. The Chargers have a decent fan base in Orange County, but not many of them seem interested in driving to Carson for games.

Gotcha. I’m always interested in the dynamics that happen when you have two teams in town. I was talking about the Cubs-White Sox divide with some friends a few months back.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:44:06am

The idiocy doesn’t fall far from the tree.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:44:14am

re: #381 Ace Rothstein

Limbaugh also gave it away today. He said “A lack of defending Trump is a lack of defending us.” It’s not about what’s right or wrong, it’s only about defending the tribe.

One Nation under Trump with triggering the libs for all. I’m glad they’re making it clear that it’s not that they feel Trump is actually innocent. It’s that they don’t want to see him held accountable.

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plansbandc  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:44:43am

re: #362 Chrysicat

Oh there have been good teams and great players. They were a great team in the 2 years after expansion for sure. That’s the team I went to see a lot. But they’ve never been a true could win it all contender. They haven’t ever been in the NBA finals.

Most fans I talk to think this season will be a success if they make it to the conference finals. That would be a huge step forward, definitely, but I’m old and I want it all NOW.

:D

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:45:00am

re: #367 HappyWarrior

Take all that and increase the rivalries exponentially from the 1930s-1960 as the Yankees, Giants, and Dodgers all played for titles in NYC. Talk about intracity rivalries - the Yankees and Giants essentially played within a mile of each other. It was across the Harlem River.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:45:06am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

Well you haven’t heard a single one of them defend him on the substance.

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retired cynic  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:45:50am

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Chrysicat  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:46:30am

re: #378 KGxvi

It’s more like the Lakers-Clippers. Though it changed a bit after 2002.

I remember going to freeway series games (even before interleague play) and the Dodger fans at Angel Stadium would drown out Angel fans during take me out to the ballgame.

After the Angels won they had a lot of pink hat fans that ended up staying on. But it’s very regional. You won’t find Angel fans in LA proper, mostly in Orange County or right on the border of the counties. But you’ll still find Dodger fans in Orange County. (Which is similar to the Kings and Ducks dynamic as well)

The Clippers don’t really have a fan base, the Lakers own everything that makes up the LA market.

I’ve not figured out the Rams and Chargers fan bases yet. The Rams at least had a history here to draw on, but 20 years is a long time - especially in a town with this many transplants. The Chargers have a decent fan base in Orange County, but not many of them seem interested in driving to Carson for games.

I’m honestly shocked the Bolts have a fanbase at all. Especially since it’s no more willing to drive to Inglewood next year according to the abysmal PSL sales. The stupidest thing whichever-Spanos-was-in-charge ever did was exercise the right-of-first-refusal that the NFL allowed them to have in order to block the Raiders from LA, and Stan Kroenke will thank them until the end of time because the Raiders have the strongest fanbase in Southern California to this day according to most surveys. Not sure where the Chargers could have gone, but the move to LA makes them the number one most likely candidate to become the NFL London Monarchs.

Which in turn will grievously wound the AFC West, which will no longer be the only division with the exact same membership in the present day as in 1960.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:46:34am

re: #386 lawhawk

I have a framed autographed photo of Bobby Thomson and Ralph Branca after the famous 1951 playoff game that the Giants won.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:47:47am

re: #386 lawhawk

Take all that and increase the rivalries exponentially from the 1930s-1960 as the Yankees, Giants, and Dodgers all played for titles in NYC. Talk about intracity rivalries - the Yankees and Giants essentially played within a mile of each other. It was across the Harlem River.

Yep that came up in our discussion too. A lot of discussion about class, geography, etc playing a role. I’m not sure who Queens rooted for before the Mets. A lot of this is cultural too. The Dodgers and Giants definitely picked up more African-American and minority fans when they signed people like Jackie Robinson, Roy Campabella, Willie Mays, Monte Irvin, and Don Newcombe. Sad to say that Willie is the only one of those five guys still with us since Newk just passed away.

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John Hughes  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:47:54am

re: #342 KGxvi

It’s shocking how someone who made four times the median income was able to have money to invest which allowed her to build additional wealth.

They’re not used to the idea of investing money to build wealth. After all, Trump is probably poorer now that if he’d simply invested his dad’s money in the stock market.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:47:56am
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Jay C  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:48:18am

re: #373 Targetpractice

Actually, it’s worse than that for them. When this all began a month ago, the count was roughly around 220 votes in favor of an impeachment inquiry. Today it’s over 230. The idea that impeachment would remain unpopular or become more so, scaring red state Dems into voting against it, has pretty much fallen by the wayside by this point.

Well, one of the advantages of having a thirty-odd-seat Majority in the House.
Elections have consequences….

PS: maybe a minor issue, but I know that at least two of the three vacant House seats ( Slaughter’s in NY and Cummings’ in MD) were Dem holds: I wonder if we will miss those (D)s, for the actual impeachment vote (replacement via special election takes months).

ADD: “missed” on a vote-count level only, I’m sure the late Representatives are sorely missed in any case.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:48:34am
Republicans gathered for a press conference after the vote Wednesday to denounce the bill that they worked in with other Judiciary Committee members. According to a helpful chart from MSNBC, the rules outlined in the articles are closer to the Nixon rules, giving considerably more power to President Donald Trump than former President Bill Clinton was granted.
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:49:48am

re: #390 Ace Rothstein

I have a framed autographed photo of Bobby Thomson and Ralph Branca after the famous 1951 playoff game that the Giants won.

I am absolutely convinced my father’s maternal grandfather was at the first ever World Series Game in 1903. Pap Pap was an amateur ball player, apparently friends with Honus Wagner, and he lived not too far from where the Pirates played in Pittsburgh. But he also was a new father that year so Great Nana may not have let him off diaper duty hahaha. I have Warren Spahn’s autograph. I’m a southpaw and I pitched so having htat autograph was way cool. Dad said Spahn was a really nice guy. Ted Williams was there the same night for a 1969 Senators Reunion.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:51:13am

re: #395 Dr. Matt

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And pretty telling that of the there, Clinton had arguably done the least serious crime but it’s a witchhunt and like the Soviet Union say the people who when they had the power to impeach Clinton were far worse.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:51:33am

re: #342 KGxvi

It’s shocking how someone who made four times the median income was able to have money to invest which allowed her to build additional wealth. Also, she’s been married since 1963 to a real estate and venture capitalist… so, yeah, that’s probably where most of her wealth came from.

Odd. And it’s like no one has any real idea what The Donald is worth, much less were the money came from or is going to. Maybe the GOP should spend some of their shrill time wondering about that instead.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:53:08am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

And pretty telling that of the there, Clinton had arguably done the least serious crime but it’s a witchhunt and like the Soviet Union say the people who when they had the power to impeach Clinton were far worse.

buit, but,BUT BUT SLIKC WILLEY LIED ABOUT ORAL BLOW SEX!!111 CHEK MATE!11

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Belafon  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:53:18am

re: #371 lawhawk

Congrats to the Expos?

I mean, that’s what this organization is. /dating myself

It looked like the Dallas Texans had a chance at winning the AFC title this year and going to the Superbowl until their quarterback got injured.

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:54:50am

Please proceed, Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:56:17am

re: #401 makeitstop

Please proceed, Republicans.

I will be so happy to see Pennsylvania come home even if some of my distant cousins there are full out Trump cultists.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:57:04am

Not sure what would be more satisfying:
—Donnie found guilty, is impeached, and booted out of office.
—Donnie getting crushed in a historic landslide in 2020.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:57:19am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

Did this dipshit just compare her father to Thomas fucking Jefferson? Oh and I can’t express how pathetic it is to see a crook like Ivanka crying on Twitter about how wrong her Dad is getting it. She’s going along with the same crap that Vindland is a spy that FNC did. She’s just quoting Martha Jefferson and thinking she’s being profound. ivanka can rot in a cell with her dad, brothers, and husband, And her kids can be raised by a family who aren’t crooks.

Give them to an immigrant refugee family to raise.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:57:24am

re: #398 Feline Fearless Leader

Odd. And it’s like no one has any real idea what The Donald is worth, much less were the money came from or is going to. Maybe the GOP should spend some of their shrill time wondering about that instead.

They don’t care — the base worships him because they love his style and the way he demeans his opponents. This is a cult and the GOP base are fervent members. The GOP legislators in Washington adore him because he brought them the WH; they are all either cowards or traitors or sociopaths like their leader.

Romney’s comments this morning remind us that he is as much a sociopath as Trump, though better educated with a smoother style.

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:57:35am

re: #389 Chrysicat

I’m honestly shocked the Bolts have a fanbase at all. Especially since it’s no more willing to drive to Inglewood next year according to the abysmal PSL sales. The stupidest thing whichever-Spanos-was-in-charge ever did was exercise the right-of-first-refusal that the NFL allowed them to have in order to block the Raiders from LA, and Stan Kroenke will thank them until the end of time because the Raiders have the strongest fanbase in Southern California to this day according to most surveys. Not sure where the Chargers could have gone, but the move to LA makes them the number one most likely candidate to become the NFL London Monarchs.

Which in turn will grievously wound the AFC West, which will no longer be the only division with the exact same membership in the present day as in 1960.

The Rams played in Anaheim for about 20-25 years before moving the St Louis (and were wretched for much of that time), that hurt their LA fan base a bit. And the Rams/Raiders in the 80s and 90s had a very urban/suburban (black/white if we’re being honest) split among fans.

But when they both moved a lot of Orange County football fans adopted the Chargers (Amtrak even had a special line that would run from Orange County for Charger home games in SD). I think they should have taken the opportunity to have a stadium in Anaheim (there was talk of building another stadium in the parking lot at Angel Stadium maybe a decade ago).

I think they’ll just sort of end up like the Jets. They’ll make plenty of money because everyone does on the TV deal and they’ll do alright on ticket sales once the new stadium is built (even if, much like through out the Clippers’ history, most people are coming to see the other team). But they’ll be a second thought (or really with USC and UCLA a third or fourth thought) for football in town.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:57:36am

re: #403 Dr. Matt

Not sure what would be more satisfying:
—Donnie found guilty, is impeached, and booted out of office.
—Donnie getting crushed in a historic landslide in 2020.

Both would be great.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:58:04am

re: #404 Eventual Carrion

Give them to an immigrant refugee family to raise.

Yes.

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:59:13am

re: #403 Dr. Matt

Not sure what would be more satisfying:
—Donnie found guilty, is impeached, and booted out of office.
—Donnie getting crushed in a historic landslide in 2020.

Fun fact, he could be impeach and removed and still run in 2020 (and crushed in a historic landslide) if the Senate does not decide to bar him from future office.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:59:13am

Trump’s new theme song:
“You’re So Vain.”

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CarolJ  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:59:34am

re: #392 John Hughes

And members of Congress can voluntarily put money into either the CSRS or the FERS (depending on the year they came into Congress pension fund) and the TSP fund (a Federal Version of a 401K), Pensions are vested after 5 years. In the TSP, contributions are matched up to 5% by the government, and the contributions continue into retirement. And any fund gains are also part of the TSP.

Even if they have no other investments, a long Congressional/Federal tenure means the money can add up pretty nicely, and people can collect after 20 years. So even if Nancy wasn’t married to a real estate investor/whatever, she would have a decent retirement (and will, once she does retire). But she’s married to someone big in San Francisco real estate, and since her marriage in 1963, San Francisco has taken off like a rocket.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 31, 2019 • 9:59:54am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

And that’s what my older family don’t get. When the Nats moved to down, they were the Expos. I’m expected to leave the team I’ve rooted my entire life for the former Expos. They have their own identity now but 15 years ago when the MLB contracted the Expos, they did not.

At last!
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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:02:47am

re: #391 HappyWarrior

Yep that came up in our discussion too. A lot of discussion about class, geography, etc playing a role. I’m not sure who Queens rooted for before the Mets. A lot of this is cultural too. The Dodgers and Giants definitely picked up more African-American and minority fans when they signed people like Jackie Robinson, Roy Campabella, Willie Mays, Monte Irvin, and Don Newcombe. Sad to say that Willie is the only one of those five guys still with us since Newk just passed away.

Queens probably broke for the Giants and Dodgers, and the team’s colors picks up one from each - orange from Giants, blue from Dodgers.

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:02:52am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:04:26am

re: #409 KGxvi

Fun fact, he could be impeach and removed and still run in 2020 (and crushed in a historic landslide) if the Senate does not decide to bar him from future office.

That’s right. He probably still would be the GOP primary favorite even if he were removed.

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John Hughes  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:04:39am

re: #403 Dr. Matt

Not sure what would be more satisfying:
—Donnie found guilty, is impeached, and booted out of office.
—Donnie getting crushed in a historic landslide in 2020.

Donnie in an orange jumpsuit.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:05:36am

re: #416 John Hughes

Donnie in an orange jumpsuit.

Along with all of Ivana’s children.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:05:50am

re: #413 lawhawk

Queens probably broke for the Giants and Dodgers, and the team’s colors picks up one from each - orange from Giants, blue from Dodgers.

That was my thought too given geography and the Mets colors and logo.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:05:57am

re: #371 lawhawk

Congrats to the Expos?

I mean, that’s what this organization is. /dating myself

Perhaps a bit of justice for how that organization got shafted by the strike in 1994.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:06:01am

re: #415 HappyWarrior

That’s right. He probably still would be the GOP primary favorite even if he were removed.

If removed and Pence stays and Trumps opts to run anyways that will almost make it worth popcorn to watch the evangelicals twist themselves into pretzels.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:07:18am

re: #419 Eclectic Cyborg

Perhaps a bit of justice for how that organization got shafted by the strike in 1994.

Second baseball game I ever went to was a Expos-Pirates game in Parc Jerry back in the mid-70s before Olympic Stadium was there.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:09:12am

re: #421 Feline Fearless Leader

Second baseball game I ever went to was a Expos-Pirates game in Parc Jerry back in the mid-70s before Olympic Stadium was there.

I grew up in Ottawa, which is two hours east of Montreal. I always had a soft spot for the Expos.

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Jay C  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:10:05am

re: #381 Ace Rothstein

Limbaugh also gave it away today. He said “A lack of defending Trump is a lack of defending us.” It’s not about what’s right or wrong, it’s only about defending the tribe.

Yep. This.

And likely (if he survives impeachment) to be the fallback theme of Trump’s reelection campaign.

It’s not like the Admin and the GOP are going to be able to run on a platform of Trump’s accomplishments, still less any positive - and popular - policy proposals, or personal charisma: what’s left is little more than tribalistic chauvinism and whiny butthurt self-victimization. And of course, the final refuge of personality-cult politics: the ego-projection onto The Leader. Which in today’s media climate is likely to be reduced (as most issues are) to cheapjack cliches: “vote for Trump, or the librulz will win and mock you.”

Stupid, crude and irrelevant, of course, but (disgracefully) too-often effective.

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:10:09am

re: #420 Feline Fearless Leader

If removed and Pence stays and Trumps opts to run anyways that will almost make it worth popcorn to watch the evangelicals twist themselves into pretzels.

I don’t even know how to game out this scenario.

Trump gets removed, Pence is sworn in. Trump immediately announces he’s still running for the nomination. Does Pence also run? Or does he bow out and say he’ll be the VP nominee again? Do any other potential contenders (Cruz, Rubio, Hogan, Sasse, whomever) try and jump in? What if the trial isn’t complete before the primaries start?

This could be one of the most epic clusterfucks in American political history.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:10:59am

re: #395 Dr. Matt

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Based upon what we heard today, the item on that list that is driving Republicans the furthest up the wall is the last, namely not being able to just fire off subpoenas like a machine gun without either Schiff or the entire committee’s approval. Atop that, they’re required to give a written reason for those subpoenas, which means they have to actually say upfront that they want to drag someone in for no other reason than to throw a monkey wrench into the inquiry.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:11:22am

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

responding to the wrong response

“government should be run like a business!”

that is why they cannot grasp public health care, food assistance or even public education.

They don’t bother to think about what type of business government is, and so their conclusions end up being nonsense.
If government were a business, its product would (should) be the well-being of the citizenry. It would also be a business whose owners and customers are the same set. (It would also be a business whose income is decreased by tax breaks - putting conservatives in the position of measuring business success by how much revenue can be decreased.)
Of course, we all know by now that most modern conservatives never argue in good faith, otherwise they would admit that they think government should be in the business of 1) transferring wealth from the lower classes to the upper classes and 2) decreasing freedom and liberty for anyone who isn’t them.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:12:32am
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:13:09am

re: #427 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

What the fuck.

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Jay C  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:13:51am

re: #413 lawhawk

Queens probably broke for the Giants and Dodgers, and the team’s colors picks up one from each - orange from Giants, blue from Dodgers.

Also: blue and orange (with white) are the colors on the NYC flag.
Orange (as in House Of ) a nod to the City’s Dutch foundations, I think.

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:13:59am

Why are the GOP losing their shit over the impeachment vote?

This:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:14:36am

re: #428 Ace Rothstein

What the fuck.

I have this same question.

In fact, it’s the question I usually have when Trump opens his mouth.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:15:04am

Honestly, now that the rules are in place, I expect Republicans to actually come up with a list of subpoenas they’d like to fire off and witnesses they’d like to drag in, just so they can publicize such in an effort to do what they’ve totally failed to do up til now: Turn this impeachment inquiry into a mini-trial of the Biden family. Expect a lot of whining in the days and weeks to come about how “important” witnesses are being kept from testifying by Schiff because Dems are “afraid” of what they have to say about Hunter Biden.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:15:17am

re: #427 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Well Mrs. Scalise, there’s a secret ballot box for a reason. Seriously why does he think this is funny? I don’t like Scalise but what his wife went through was awful.

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:15:24am

re: #426 Jebediah, RBG

On the tax issue, they could make an argument similar to the old Henry Ford line “Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible” and say that reducing taxes is part of the lowest cost possible. And they’d probably also still argue the supply side economics bit about reducing tax burdens allows for an expanding economy which means more tax revenue in the end (though it would see we are on the wrong side of the Laffer curve at this point).

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:15:30am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:16:13am

re: #431 Eclectic Cyborg

I have this same question.

In fact, it’s the question I usually have when Trump opens his mouth.

Dubya at least was a human being even if bumbling. Even Romney looks human compared to this weirdo.

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:16:25am

re: #433 HappyWarrior

Well Mrs. Scalise, there’s a secret ballot box for a reason. Seriously why does he think this is funny? I don’t like Scalise but what his wife went through was awful.

And he learned absolutely nothing from the experience. Nothing. Not about guns. Not about health care or insurance. Nothing.

He’s still the same white nationalist right wing extremist he’s always been.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:16:42am

re: #426 Jebediah, RBG

They don’t bother to think about what type of business government is, and so their conclusions end up being nonsense.
If government were a business, its product would (should) be the well-being of the citizenry. It would also be a business whose owners and customers are the same set. (It would also be a business whose income is decreased by tax breaks - putting conservatives in the position of measuring business success by how much revenue can be decreased.)
Of course, we all know by now that most modern conservatives never argue in good faith, otherwise they would admit that they think government should be in the business of 1) transferring wealth from the lower classes to the upper classes and 2) decreasing freedom and liberty for anyone who isn’t them.

It also has to be that each person’s worth is not measured by their assets; each child has to be considered equal, regardless of their parents’ wealth. Each person entitled to top quality health care, a good education, housing, safe environment and adequate nutrition, irrespective of their means

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:16:54am

re: #403 Dr. Matt

Not sure what would be more satisfying:
—Donnie found guilty, is impeached, and booted out of office.
—Donnie getting crushed in a historic landslide in 2020.

The first one followed by his replacement getting crushed

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:17:09am

re: #381 Ace Rothstein

Limbaugh also gave it away today. He said “A lack of defending Trump is a lack of defending us.” It’s not about what’s right or wrong, it’s only about defending the tribe.

Limbaugh in Jan 2021 after Donnie is gone: “Frankly, my friends, I am glad Donald J. Trump is gone because I’m tired of carrying his water. He wasn’t a real conservative. What this country needs are real conservative leaders. The GOP establishment must start following the principles set forth by Ronny Raygun”.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:17:35am

re: #437 lawhawk

And he learned absolutely nothing from the experience. Nothing. Not about guns. Not about health care or insurance. Nothing.

He’s still the same white nationalist right wing extremist he’s always been.

Oh yes absolutely. I’m just saying no spouse should have to worry about their loved one being shot like that. And yeah Scalise didn’t learn a damn thing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:18:11am

re: #440 Dr. Matt

Limbaugh in Jan 2021 after Donnie is gone: “Frankly, my friends, I am glad Donald J. Trump is gone because I’m tired of carrying his water. He wasn’t a real conservative. What this country needs are real conservative leaders. The GOP establishment must start following the principles set forth by Ronny Raygun”.

This.

Conservatives will be TRIPPING OVER EACH OTHER to wash their hands of Trump when his reign of terror finally ends.

Guara-damn-teed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:18:21am

re: #440 Dr. Matt

Limbaugh in Jan 2021 after Donnie is gone: “Frankly, my friends, I am glad Donald J. Trump is gone because I’m tired of carrying his water. He wasn’t a real conservative. What this country needs are real conservative leaders. The GOP establishment must start following the principles set forth by Ronny Raygun”.

Yep. Rush will gladly give Trump the old Stalinist treatment.

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:18:40am

re: #440 Dr. Matt

Limbaugh in Jan 2021 after Donnie is gone: “Frankly, my friends, I am glad Donald J. Trump is gone because I’m tired of carrying his water. He wasn’t a real conservative. What this country needs are real conservative leaders. The GOP establishment must start following the principles set forth by Ronny Raygun”.

Funny, that’s the same thing he said in January 2009. There will also be a thing about how “being in charge is no fun” or some such. I can’t believe I spent several years listening to him.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:18:44am

re: #442 Eclectic Cyborg

This.

Conservatives will be TRIPPING OVER EACH OTHER to wash their hands of Trump when his reign of terror finally ends.

Guara-damn-teed.

There’s no doubt at all.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:19:06am

Limbaugh: Ukraine was plan B to get Trump if Mueller failed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:19:46am

re: #444 KGxvi

Funny, that’s the same thing he said in January 2009. There will also be a thing about how “being in charge is no fun” or some such. I can’t believe I spent several years listening to him.

I’ve never understood the appeal. He always to me seemed like a bloated asshole with a huge ego.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:20:37am

re: #446 Ace Rothstein

Limbaugh: Ukraine was plan B to get Trump if Mueller failed.

We didn’t even know about Ukraine until a couple months ago. Try again Mr. Hillbilly Heroin.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:22:04am

re: #424 KGxvi

I don’t even know how to game out this scenario.

Trump gets removed, Pence is sworn in. Trump immediately announces he’s still running for the nomination. Does Pence also run? Or does he bow out and say he’ll be the VP nominee again? Do any other potential contenders (Cruz, Rubio, Hogan, Sasse, whomever) try and jump in? What if the trial isn’t complete before the primaries start?

This could be one of the most epic clusterfucks in American political history.

Think Nancy hasn’t thought of all of this? ;-)

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:22:25am

re: #448 HappyWarrior

I’ve never understood the appeal. He always to me seemed like a bloated asshole with a huge ego.

I started listening shortly after 9/11 and did for probably about 4-5 years fairly consistently. He could be rather entertaining at times, but I don’t think I ever really took him seriously. I don’t think I ever actually learned anything listening to him, that’s for sure.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:22:56am

re: #442 Eclectic Cyborg

This.

Conservatives will be TRIPPING OVER EACH OTHER to wash their hands of Trump when his reign of terror finally ends.

Guara-damn-teed.

Years ago, I read a bitingly sarcastic article by (possibly) John Hersey about how hard it was to find a Nazi in Berlin at the time of the Potsdam Conference (2 months after the German surrender). Wish I could find it now or at least remember for sure who the author was. It will surely be the same when the Trumpians go down.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:23:02am

re: #440 Dr. Matt

Limbaugh in Jan 2021 after Donnie is gone: “Frankly, my friends, I am glad Donald J. Trump is gone because I’m tired of carrying his water. He wasn’t a real conservative. What this country needs are real conservative leaders. The GOP establishment must start following the principles set forth by Ronny Raygun”.

“When you look back at the last 4 years, it’s obvious that Trump was a Democrat through and through. No respect for our laws, no respect for the Constitution, and no respect for our Christian heritage. Honestly, if he hadn’t run as a Republican, you would be hard-pressed to identify him as one. Our mistake wasn’t in voting for him, it was in thinking a Democrat could govern like a Republican.”

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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:24:20am

re: #450 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

Think Nancy hasn’t thought of all of this? ;-)

It’s possible. But it relies on a very big “if” (two actually)… if the Senate would convict and if the Senate would not bar him from future public office. It’s much more likely that Trump is impeach and acquitted ending up somewhere between 7 and 20 votes short of removal.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:24:55am

re: #352 Dr. Matt

I beg to differ.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:25:09am

re: #432 Targetpractice

Honestly, now that the rules are in place, I expect Republicans to actually come up with a list of subpoenas they’d like to fire off and witnesses they’d like to drag in, just so they can publicize such in an effort to do what they’ve totally failed to do up til now: Turn this impeachment inquiry into a mini-trial of the Biden family. Expect a lot of whining in the days and weeks to come about how “important” witnesses are being kept from testifying by Schiff because Dems are “afraid” of what they have to say about Hunter Biden.

H Biden could be a horrible criminal
Doesn’t excuse anything trump did or how he went about it

Plus there will be other articles than just ukraine

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:26:20am

re: #451 KGxvi

I started listening shortly after 9/11 and did for probably about 4-5 years fairly consistently. He could be rather entertaining at times, but I don’t think I ever really took him seriously. I don’t think I ever actually learned anything listening to him, that’s for sure.

Yeah there are some people who credit being a conservative to him. I mean damn. He’s just not insightful or witty at all. He’s honestly really pathetic even by wingnut standards.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:26:39am

re: #394 Jay C

Slaughter died in March 2018 and her NY-25 seat (my district) was filled in a special election in November 2018. Joe Morelle (D) easily won that election and the simultaneous general election, and so he’s been seated in the House for almost a year now.

Never heard of him? No wonder. He’s been disappointingly invisible in office. He wouldn’t commit on impeachment, for instance, until the count was already past 218 and it didn’t matter anymore.

Profiles in Milquetoast.

I miss Louise and her gutsy style so much.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:28:00am

re: #442 Eclectic Cyborg

This.

Conservatives will be TRIPPING OVER EACH OTHER to wash their hands of Trump when his reign of terror finally ends.

Guara-damn-teed.

And The Deplorables won’t notice either. Or at least not enough to seriously consider not voting for them.

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sagehen  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:28:36am

re: #363 KGxvi

Then again, I grew up in the LA area and the Lakers have won 10 titles in my 42 years (with 6 more trips to the finals), so I’m way ahead.

There’s a reason they call him Magic.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:28:50am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:30:00am

re: #462 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I thought Ann was supposed to be smart. A bigoted wacko sure but not dumb like Charlie Kirk.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:30:14am

Making the Republicans OWN Trump will be a major concern for the next 50 years. He is theirs, the inevitable outcome of 50 years of grifter agitation and propaganda, and they cannot be allowed to slime their way out of it.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:30:24am

re: #454 KGxvi

It’s possible. But it relies on a very big “if” (two actually)… if the Senate would convict and if the Senate would not bar him from future public office. It’s much more likely that Trump is impeach and acquitted ending up somewhere between 7 and 20 votes short of removal.

I only meant she’s gamed out all the scenarios
Even ones we haven’t thought of yet

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:31:06am
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:31:40am

re: #462 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I checked Ann’s timeline because I didn’t think she was that much of an idiot — but there it was!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:32:16am

Ann is so lazy she can’t even be fucking bothered to use Google.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:32:51am

re: #374 John Hughes

“Ken Starr resigns for not being diligent in investigating sex scandal”.

No blue dress to wave around this time I guess.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:34:34am

re: #467 Hecuba’s daughter

I checked Ann’s timeline because I didn’t think she was that much of an idiot — but there it was!

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:35:01am

re: #464 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Making the Republicans OWN Trump will be a major concern for the next 50 years. He is theirs, the inevitable outcome of 50 years of grifter agitation and propaganda, and they cannot be allowed to slime their way out of it.

Theres an R after his name. On everything.
There is no way to weasel out

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:35:46am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:36:11am

re: #453 Targetpractice

“When you look back at the last 4 years, it’s obvious that Trump was a Democrat through and through. No respect for our laws, no respect for the Constitution, and no respect for our Christian heritage. Honestly, if he hadn’t run as a Republican, you would be hard-pressed to identify him as one. Our mistake wasn’t in voting for him, it was in thinking a Democrat could govern like a Republican.”

I should heart this because this sounds exactly like what they will say. The people who defended everything Bush did suddenly opposed his spending and FP. No wonder why Bush doesn’t talk partisan politics. He knows he’s under the right wing bus.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:36:16am

re: #374 John Hughes

“Ken Starr resigns for not being diligent in investigating sex scandal”.

If only the players had been Democrats….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:36:26am

re: #464 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Making the Republicans OWN Trump will be a major concern for the next 50 years. He is theirs, the inevitable outcome of 50 years of grifter agitation and propaganda, and they cannot be allowed to slime their way out of it.

Make them own

separating children
children dying in custody
abandoning the Kurds
trade and tariff wars

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:36:49am

re: #471 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

Theres an R after his name. On everything.
There is no way to weasel out

I’m sure as he is erased from the various pictures the texts will be revised to turn (R) into (D) everywhere as well. As well as being RINO’d and/or described as a New York City liberal in disguise.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:36:56am

re: #472 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Boom

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:37:40am

re: #476 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m sure as he is erased from the various pictures the texts will be revised to turn (R) into (D) everywhere as well. As well as being RINO’d and/or described as a New York City liberal in disguise.

Bill and Hillary got him to run to make us look bad!

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:37:47am

re: #453 Targetpractice

“When you look back at the last 4 years, it’s obvious that Trump was a Democrat through and through. No respect for our laws, no respect for the Constitution, and no respect for our Christian heritage. Honestly, if he hadn’t run as a Republican, you would be hard-pressed to identify him as one. Our mistake wasn’t in voting for him, it was in thinking a Democrat could govern like a Republican.”

So he fooled all you R’s ?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:37:59am

re: #462 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:38:12am

Shoulda called Tim Apple.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:39:22am

re: #479 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

So he fooled all you R’s ?

Ha.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:39:58am

re: #481 Barefoot Grin

Shoulda called Tim Apple.

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Oh come on!

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Jay C  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:40:02am

re: #467 Hecuba’s daughter

I checked Ann’s timeline because I didn’t think she was that much of an idiot — but there it was!

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So where does Senator Gabbard have her office?
Or does she have to take over Brian Schatz’s or Mazie Hirono’s?

That last scenario gives me the giggles: I can just picture Sen. Hirono (who seems to me like a thoroughly TNS type) coming out of her office to find Tulsi Gabbard standing there holding a box of files, and demanding that all the staffers clear out…..

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:40:57am

re: #478 HappyWarrior

Bill and Hillary got him to run to make us look bad!

Good job clintons!

Again, so you got taken in by a bunch of Dems?

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:41:55am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:42:03am

re: #485 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

Good job clintons!

Again, so you got taken in by a bunch of Dems?

Yeah I seriously don’t see how they revise history but they will try.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:44:21am
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b.d. (Where is Rudy?)  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:46:24am

re: #488 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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heh

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:48:31am

Backstory on Katie hills photos coming out

She should unresign

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:49:28am

The Evangelical Trump-cult is a GOP sub-group that REALLY needs to have Cheeto rubbed in their faces. They have quite literally claimed divine status for him, as God’s anointed. They should be mocked, exposed, and vilified until they either vanish or Jesus comes back and chases them away with a whip. Most importantly, they should retro-actively lose their tax exemptions. They should be forced to pay back taxes for the entire time they broke the law by using their exempt status as a cover for profiteering, political agitation, and the incitement of stochastic terrorism.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:49:34am

Moron just wants to keep racking up those impeachable offenses…

The Trump administration wants to use an obscure loophole to install far-right immigration hawk Ken Cuccinelli as acting head of the Department of Homeland Security. But in a rare rejection of the president, even Republican lawmakers decried the plot as illegal on Wednesday.

Trump has been eyeing Cuccinelli, the acting director of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, to take over DHS for weeks, but White House lawyers determined that it would be illegal to appoint him because he is ineligible under the Vacancies Act. Federal law states that acting department heads must either serve 90 days as a “first assistant” to the previous Senate-confirmed secretary or be confirmed to another position, making Cuccinelli, who was appointed as acting head of USCIS following the ouster of Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, ineligible.

Trump has told allies that he wants to do an end-run around federal law and appoint Cuccinelli to DHS anyway, The New York Times reported on Tuesday.

Trump’s plan would involve using a loophole in which the president would tap Cuccinelli as assistant secretary of the Countering Weapons of Mass Destruction Office at DHS — currently a vacant position — and then promote him to acting secretary. Because the assistant secretary would be considered an “inferior officer,” the president can appoint anyone he wants without a Senate confirmation.

The move is under consideration because Cuccinelli is unlikely to be confirmed to the position, despite a Republican majority in the Senate.

I get so tired of saying this in regards to news about Trump, but Jesus fucking Christ.

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Jay C  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:49:47am

re: #488 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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What’s Mensch talking about?
I saw that footage (admittedly, minus the giant kittens) on ABC news last night.

ETA: Halloween joke??

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:50:18am
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:50:37am

re: #490 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

Backstory on Katie hills photos coming out

She should unresign

Were there other allegations that were true? If so, maybe that was the reason for her resignation.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:52:36am

re: #494 DodgerFan1988

I like how Dana reveals how much of a snob she is by attacking AOC as a “former bartender.” My mom was a waitress when she met my Dad. She went through the ranks of the federal government. And she’s not a loser grifter like Tomi is.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:52:38am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:53:47am

re: #492 Eclectic Cyborg

Moron just wants to keep racking up those impeachable offenses…

The Trump administration wants to use an obscure loophole to install far-right immigration hawk Ken Cuccinelli as acting head of the Department of Homeland Security. But in a rare rejection of the president, even Republican lawmakers decried the plot as illegal on Wednesday.

Trump has been eyeing Cuccinelli, the acting director of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, to take over DHS for weeks, but White House lawyers determined that it would be illegal to appoint him because he is ineligible under the Vacancies Act. Federal law states that acting department heads must either serve 90 days as a “first assistant” to the previous Senate-confirmed secretary or be confirmed to another position, making Cuccinelli, who was appointed as acting head of USCIS following the ouster of Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, ineligible.

Trump has told allies that he wants to do an end-run around federal law and appoint Cuccinelli to DHS anyway, The New York Times reported on Tuesday.

Trump’s plan would involve using a loophole in which the president would tap Cuccinelli as assistant secretary of the Countering Weapons of Mass Destruction Office at DHS — currently a vacant position — and then promote him to acting secretary. Because the assistant secretary would be considered an “inferior officer,” the president can appoint anyone he wants without a Senate confirmation.

The move is under consideration because Cuccinelli is unlikely to be confirmed to the position, despite a Republican majority in the Senate.

I get so tired of saying this in regards to news about Trump, but Jesus fucking Christ.

Cuccinnelli was awful here as our AG in Virginia. Ad he’s awful now in charge of USCIS.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:55:11am

re: #493 Jay C

What’s Mensch talking about?
I saw that footage (admittedly, minus the giant kittens) on ABC news last night.

it was her attempt to make a joke.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:55:22am

re: #492 Eclectic Cyborg

I want to know who is telling him about all these loopholes. No. Fucking. Way. Does he himself know about them.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:56:04am

re: #500 GlutenFreeJesus

I want to know who is telling him about all these loopholes. No. Fucking. Way. Does he himself know about them.

Barr. Barr’s an asshole but he’s not stupid.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:56:23am

re: #497 Targetpractice

Umm, Joe Biden was never President. Freudian slip there, Donny boy?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:56:36am

re: #500 GlutenFreeJesus

I want to know who is telling him about all these loopholes. No. Fucking. Way. Does he himself know about them.

My suspicion is Barr.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:56:54am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:57:09am
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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:59:13am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

Did this dipshit just compare her father to Thomas fucking Jefferson? Oh and I can’t express how pathetic it is to see a crook like Ivanka crying on Twitter about how wrong her Dad is getting it. She’s going along with the same crap that Vindland is a spy that FNC did. She’s just quoting Martha Jefferson and thinking she’s being profound. ivanka can rot in a cell with her dad, brothers, and husband, And her kids can be raised by a family who aren’t crooks.

Well, Trump has abused women and didn’t pay people who worked for him, so he has that in common with TJ.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:59:39am

re: #492 Eclectic Cyborg

Moron just wants to keep racking up those impeachable offenses…

The Trump administration wants to use an obscure loophole to install far-right immigration hawk Ken Cuccinelli as acting head of the Department of Homeland Security. But in a rare rejection of the president, even Republican lawmakers decried the plot as illegal on Wednesday.

Trump has been eyeing Cuccinelli, the acting director of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, to take over DHS for weeks, but White House lawyers determined that it would be illegal to appoint him because he is ineligible under the Vacancies Act. Federal law states that acting department heads must either serve 90 days as a “first assistant” to the previous Senate-confirmed secretary or be confirmed to another position, making Cuccinelli, who was appointed as acting head of USCIS following the ouster of Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, ineligible.

Trump has told allies that he wants to do an end-run around federal law and appoint Cuccinelli to DHS anyway, The New York Times reported on Tuesday.

Trump’s plan would involve using a loophole in which the president would tap Cuccinelli as assistant secretary of the Countering Weapons of Mass Destruction Office at DHS — currently a vacant position — and then promote him to acting secretary. Because the assistant secretary would be considered an “inferior officer,” the president can appoint anyone he wants without a Senate confirmation.

The move is under consideration because Cuccinelli is unlikely to be confirmed to the position, despite a Republican majority in the Senate.

I get so tired of saying this in regards to news about Trump, but Jesus fucking Christ.

When you can’t get your nom confirmed in your own R Senate…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 10:59:57am

re: #506 The Pie Overlord!

Well, Trump has abused women and didn’t pay people who worked for him, so he has that in common with TJ.

That’s true too.

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:00:16am

re: #496 HappyWarrior

I like how Dana reveals how much of a snob she is by attacking AOC as a “former bartender.” My mom was a waitress when she met my Dad. She went through the ranks of the federal government. And she’s not a loser grifter like Tomi is.

Not Dana…. Zuul.

No wait… Not Dana… .Tomi.

Aw fuckit - they’re Zuul.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:00:23am

re: #507 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

When you can’t get your nom confirmed in your own R Senate…

A lot of Republicans hated him here too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:00:46am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:01:03am

re: #411 CarolJ

And members of Congress can voluntarily put money into either the CSRS or the FERS (depending on the year they came into Congress pension fund) and the TSP fund (a Federal Version of a 401K), Pensions are vested after 5 years. In the TSP, contributions are matched up to 5% by the government, and the contributions continue into retirement. And any fund gains are also part of the TSP.

Even if they have no other investments, a long Congressional/Federal tenure means the money can add up pretty nicely, and people can collect after 20 years. So even if Nancy wasn’t married to a real estate investor/whatever, she would have a decent retirement (and will, once she does retire). But she’s married to someone big in San Francisco real estate, and since her marriage in 1963, San Francisco has taken off like a rocket.

What is so stupid about saying Pelosi has so much wealth, but she only earned so much is that people sometimes inherit $$$$.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:01:31am

re: #509 lawhawk

Not Dana…. Zuul.

No wait… Not Dana… .Tomi.

Aw fuckit - they’re Zuul.

Yeah I caught that. God they’re all the same lame person. I’m not even a big AOC fan but AOC actually put her money where her mouth is. What does Tomi do? Just run her yap on FNC and pretend to be pro-choice while stanning for an anti-choice movement and President. Not to mention she’s a hateful bigoted snob.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:02:29am

re: #494 DodgerFan1988

Didn’t work

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:03:12am

re: #507 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

When you can’t get your nom confirmed in your own R Senate…

That’s what they’re pissed about. Do whatever to undermine the Democrats but when you try to bypass Republicans, shit is suddenly real.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:03:12am

re: #493 Jay C

What’s Mensch talking about?
I saw that footage (admittedly, minus the giant kittens) on ABC news last night.

ETA: Halloween joke??

Louise is an idiot. Period.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:03:20am

re: #494 DodgerFan1988

Hey, nice Dana Loesch costume, Tempe!

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:03:22am

re: #495 Hecuba’s daughter

Were there other allegations that were true? If so, maybe that was the reason for her resignation.

Not that I’m aware of yet
If she’s smart I’m guessing someone’s going to jail

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:03:35am

hyperallergic.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:04:15am

re: #514 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

Replies to Tomis Tweet do not disappoint.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:08:12am

re: #494 DodgerFan1988

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:08:13am

re: #518 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

Not that I’m aware of yet
If she’s smart I’m guessing someone’s going to jail

doesn’t matter what the freaking allegations are or whether they are true are not.

Katie did nothing illegal.
Ill advised perhaps, but not illegal.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:09:00am

re: #500 GlutenFreeJesus

I want to know who is telling him about all these loopholes. No. Fucking. Way. Does he himself know about them.

he doesnt. he just says ‘find me something’

i posted on this yesterday and repaste it here:

- just because the OLC says it’s ok doesnt make it legal. In this environment, with this AG, it’s almost, but not quite, like asking your own lawyer for permission.

- even if/when a president breaks a mold and does something that’s not been done before, that doesnt make it some unassailable precedent for all future presidents. (leaving aside IOKIYAR).

one reason is it could be a patent abuse of power the current DOJ refuses to challenge, but a future one wouldn’t (especially contra-party)

A second is that by that logic, whatever it is you are doing now/new is breaking with all the previous precedents, so it obviously has to work in both directions

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:09:02am

re: #520 Eclectic Cyborg

Replies to Tomis Tweet do not disappoint.

OMG

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:09:26am

re: #506 The Pie Overlord!

Well, Trump has abused women and didn’t pay people who worked for him, so he has that in common with TJ.

Did he have Sally Hemings spank him with a rolled up copy of The Federalist Papers?

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Dave In Austin  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:12:04am

Down thread…..

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:12:19am

re: #515 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s what they’re pissed about. Do whatever to undermine the Democrats but when you try to bypass Republicans, shit is suddenly real.

well when your nominee is that toxic…

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Interesting Times  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:13:25am

re: #522 Backwoods_Sleuth

Katie did nothing illegal.
Ill advised perhaps, but not illegal.

Actually, no (which makes what happened to her all the more disturbing):

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:13:41am

re: #524 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Harsh but fair.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:15:18am

re: #528 Interesting Times

Actually, no (which makes what happened to her all the more disturbing):

The fucked up thing is we heard about how powerful men would be victims of false accusations after MeToo. Instead we’re dealing with shit like this.

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Interesting Times  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:15:34am

re: #528 Interesting Times

And in the “even more dissonance-inducing than Woke Joe Walsh” department…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:16:27am

re: #528 Interesting Times

Actually, no (which makes what happened to her all the more disturbing):

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I repeat…Katie did NOTHING ILLEGAL.

SHE is not the one who did anything illegal.

Her ex, on the other hand.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:16:28am

re: #522 Backwoods_Sleuth

doesn’t matter what the freaking allegations are or whether they are true are not.

Katie did nothing illegal.
Ill advised perhaps, but not illegal.

—————-

The Los Angeles Times got the back story on how the nude photos of Rep. Katie Hill (D-CA) wound up online — and it includes GOP operatives who had previously worked for Steve Knight (R), her opponent for Congress.

“Conservative websites soon revealed that they had obtained some of Hill’s private texts and nude photos of her, including one with a campaign aide. The main authors of the articles, it turns out, were former campaign advisors to Steve Knight, the Republican congressman ousted by Hill a year ago.”

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:16:52am

So, the attempt and the conspiracy and the coverup are meaningless to the GOP because Trump couldn’t close the deal to engage in federal felony.

All these fucknuts who are peddling this line should hand in their JDs and any bar memberships, because they ignore that the law criminalizes the attempt to carry out the crime (and there’s evidence that the delay was intended to carry out the quid pro quo - and steps taken in furtherance of the crime on the part of Trumpworld constitutes the conspiracy to act).

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:17:56am

re: #530 HappyWarrior

The fucked up thing is we heard about how powerful men would be victims of false accusations after MeToo. Instead we’re dealing with shit like this.

men did this to her

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:18:18am

re: #523 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

….

- just because the OLC says it’s ok doesnt make it legal. In this environment, with this AG, it’s almost, but not quite, like asking your own lawyer for permission.

- even if/when a president breaks a mold and does something that’s not been done before, that doesnt make it some unassailable precedent for all future presidents. (leaving aside IOKIYAR).

one reason is it could be a patent abuse of power the current DOJ refuses to challenge, but a future one wouldn’t (especially contra-party)

…..

This is terrifying — Trump is really working at becoming dictator. He’s probably getting tips both from his best bro Putin and the Opus Dei AG

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:18:23am

re: #520 Eclectic Cyborg

Replies to Tomis Tweet do not disappoint.

Replying to a Tomi Tweet was what got VB suspended.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:19:34am

re: #535 DangerMan (Neologizer of AssGate)

men did this to her

Yep.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:19:38am

They are framing the impeachment proceedings as a political coup and an attempt to overturn the election results.

Trump is an “unnamed co-conspirator”, his personal lawyer and campaign manager are behind bars, his security adviser (still, amazingly) on parole…that would seem to serve as grounds enough to warrant an investigation.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:20:01am

re: #534 lawhawk

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So, the attempt and the conspiracy and the coverup are meaningless to the GOP because Trump couldn’t close the deal to engage in federal felony.

All these fucknuts who are peddling this line should hand in their JDs and any bar memberships, because they ignore that the law criminalizes the attempt to carry out the crime (and there’s evidence that the delay was intended to carry out the quid pro quo - and steps taken in furtherance of the crime on the part of Trumpworld constitutes the conspiracy to act).

meanwhile he and his team certainly conspired to obstruct justice pretty effectively. i’m good with those articles

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:20:07am

So, MrBWS got laid off again today.

Duke Energy pulled all the work orders for the contractors.

Storm season is upon us, so we’ll be OK.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:20:22am

re: #539 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are framing the impeachment proceedings as a political coup and an attempt to overturn the election results.

Trump is an “unnamed co-conspirator”, his personal lawyer and campaign manager are behind bars, his security adviser (still, amazingly) on parole…that would seem to serve as grounds enough to warrant an investigation.

They can frame all they want. It’s not working for them.

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Teukka  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:20:29am

re: #442 Eclectic Cyborg

This.

Conservatives will be TRIPPING OVER EACH OTHER to wash their hands of Trump when his reign of terror finally ends.

Guara-damn-teed.

Over/under on things having deterioriated to a point at that point, where it will be too late, and they won’t be trusted nor believed?

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:20:41am

re: #434 KGxvi

On the tax issue, they could make an argument similar to the old Henry Ford line “Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible” and say that reducing taxes is part of the lowest cost possible. And they’d probably also still argue the supply side economics bit about reducing tax burdens allows for an expanding economy which means more tax revenue in the end (though it would see we are on the wrong side of the Laffer curve at this point).

The first is a fair point and I personally don’t disagree, providing that “the best quality of goods” is in fact being produced (as well as being defined reasonably) and that the burden of whatever tax revenue is required is shared fairly between the rich and the not-rich.
And I am sure you are right that they would make the supply-side economics argument where the rich are concerned, despite real-world proof that, when the rich get tax cuts, they hold on to the money rather than inject it back into the economy. I think they would ignore the idea that tax cuts or outright grants to the lowest income citizens are actually effective, since the velocity of that money is so much higher - those living paycheck to paycheck will need to spend most of that money immediately.
Of course, if bad-faith Republican arguments were money, we would be running historic surpluses…

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:21:17am

re: #534 lawhawk

The only problem with that message is that if he’s too incompetent to impeach, why the hell would anyone want him as POTUS for four more years?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:21:37am

re: #542 HappyWarrior

They can frame all they want. It’s not working for them.

It sells to their base, but it is no longer working on anyone who does not worship at the Temple of Trump

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:21:41am

re: #536 Hecuba’s daughter

This is terrifying — Trump is really working at becoming dictator. He’s probably getting tips both from his best bro Putin and the Opus Dei AG

i felt this all the way back with the Yoo torture memo

at the time i said bush is asking his own people for permission

i probably said “that cant be how any of this works’ before they even wrote that commercial

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:22:25am

re: #545 Dr Lizardo

The only problem with that message is that if he’s too incompetent to impeach, why the hell would anyone want him as POTUS for four more years?

BUTTER MAILS.

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:22:31am

re: #440 Dr. Matt

Limbaugh in Jan 2021 after Donnie is gone: “Frankly, my friends, I am glad Donald J. Trump is gone because I’m tired of carrying his water. He wasn’t a real conservative. What this country needs are real conservative leaders. The GOP establishment must start following the principles set forth by Ronny Raygun”.

It wouldn’t be the first time Limbaugh flip/flopped.

During George H.W. Bush’s presidency, Limbaugh often criticized HW as not being a true conservative on his radio show.

HW invited Limbaugh to the white house, and the subsequent Limbaugh radio show told of spending the night in the Lincoln Bedroom, and what wonderful people the president and his wife were.

Nothing but praise for president HW thereafter.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:22:44am

re: #546 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It sells to their base, but it is no longer working on anyone who does not worship at the Temple of Trump

Correct.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:23:09am

re: #545 Dr Lizardo

The only problem with that message is that if he’s too incompetent to impeach, why the hell would anyone want him as POTUS for four more years?

Force of habit

anyone but a Democrat who would take away our guns, vacations and hamburgers, let gays molest our children in public restrooms, make our daughters get abortions and otherwise turn us into a socialist hellhole worse than Venezuela…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:23:23am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:23:53am

re: #549 BeenHereAwhile

It wouldn’t be the first time Limbaugh flip/flopped.

During George H.W. Bush’s presidency, Limbaugh often criticized HW as not being a true conservative on his radio show.

HW invited Limbaugh to the white house, and the subsequent Limbaugh radio show told of spending the night in the Lincoln Bedroom, and what wonderful people the president and his wife were.

Nothing but praise for president HW thereafter.

Limbaugh would be telling us that Jeb was Ronald Reagan 2.0. In the end, Rush is a principle lacking hack.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:23:53am

re: #438 Hecuba’s daughter

It also has to be that each person’s worth is not measured by their assets; each child has to be considered equal, regardless of their parents’ wealth. Each person entitled to top quality health care, a good education, housing, safe environment and adequate nutrition, irrespective of their means

Absolutely!
Republicans are addicted to using the completely wrong set of metrics.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:24:29am

Does anyone else here think that the Matt Gaetz full-throated defense of Katie Hill is because he engaged in similar activity and there are similar pictures of him that he distributed to friends/lovers?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:25:15am

re: #555 Hecuba’s daughter

Does anyone else here think that the Matt Gaetz full-throated defense of Katie Hill is because he engaged in similar activity and there are similar pictures of him that he distributed to friends/lovers?

I definitely don’t think it’s in good faith.

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Interesting Times  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:25:37am

re: #555 Hecuba’s daughter

Does anyone else here think that the Matt Gaetz full-throated defense of Katie Hill is because he engaged in similar activity and there are similar pictures of him that he distributed to friends/lovers?

Took the thought right out of my head.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:25:58am
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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:26:10am

re: #534 lawhawk

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So, the attempt and the conspiracy and the coverup are meaningless to the GOP because Trump couldn’t close the deal to engage in federal felony.

All these fucknuts who are peddling this line should hand in their JDs and any bar memberships, because they ignore that the law criminalizes the attempt to carry out the crime (and there’s evidence that the delay was intended to carry out the quid pro quo - and steps taken in furtherance of the crime on the part of Trumpworld constitutes the conspiracy to act).

Is that on par with attempting to rob a bank, failing to get any money, and then claiming you should be let off due to failing?

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:26:45am

re: #555 Hecuba’s daughter

Does anyone else here think that the Matt Gaetz full-throated defense of Katie Hill is because he engaged in similar activity and there are similar pictures of him that he distributed to friends/lovers?

Wouldn’t surprise me at all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:26:50am

re: #559 Feline Fearless Leader

Is that on par with attempting to rob a bank, failing to get any money, and then claiming you should be let off due to failing?

murdering your parents and then throwing yourself at the mercy of the court as an orphan

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:27:48am

re: #558 Backwoods_Sleuth

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EPR-radar  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:28:44am

re: #558 Backwoods_Sleuth

Coulter made two errors here:

The first is beclowning herself with that Gabbard is a Senator nonsense.

The second is doing it in a back and forth with ‘catturd’.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:29:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:31:26am

moron

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Dread Pirate  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:34:01am
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:34:43am

re: #534 lawhawk

So I can hire a hitman to murder someone, and about a minute before it happens I call it off. Therefore I’m not guilty of solicitation of murder?

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:35:38am

re: #549 BeenHereAwhile

Limbaugh is a business, nothing more.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:35:41am

re: #565 Backwoods_Sleuth

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To be fair: Trump is probably right in his evaluations of Biden, Sanders, and Warren. And the funny part of all this: if he hadn’t tried to shakedown Zelensky, Biden would still probably lose and Trump would not be subject to impeachment at this moment — at least not for this.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:36:51am
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Mike Lamb  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:38:30am

re: #521 GlutenFreeJesus

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That’s called living rent free in someone’s head.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:39:23am

re: #566 Dread Pirate

Jackie Speier was gunned down and left for dead at the airstrip during the Jonestown massacre.
She knows a thing or two about cults

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:40:00am

re: #494 DodgerFan1988

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Again with the “former bartender” as a slur. Has she ever explained why she hates people who work for their money?

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uncah91  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:40:54am

re: #530 HappyWarrior

The fucked up thing is we heard about how powerful men would be victims of false accusations after MeToo. Instead we’re dealing with shit like this.

AFAIK, she has acknowledged that the other woman in the photos, whom she and her husband had sex with, was a campaign staffer. Given the power discrepancy, that’s dicey under the best of conditions, but fairly clearly the conditions with her husband weren’t ideal. There is the inherent potential for an abuse of power.

I know the obvious double standards are extremely frustrating, the ratfuck potential is 100%, and God I wish we could actually have more nuanced process around this kind of stuff, but I understand the desire on the part of the Democrats to push hard to not tolerate this.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:43:11am

re: #560 Dr Lizardo

Wouldn’t surprise me at all.

Even if that is the case, he’s not wrong here.

(Now, please excuse while I go vomit).

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lawhawk  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:53:09am
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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:54:34am

re: #576 lawhawk

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I’m tellin’ ya, Linseed and Ken Starr are going to be the defense team.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Oct 31, 2019 • 11:55:43am

Fwiw, that’s probably the best Tombstone has ever looked in one of her twitter shots.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Oct 31, 2019 • 12:01:37pm

re: #453 Targetpractice

“When you look back at the last 4 years, it’s obvious that Trump was a Democrat through and through. No respect for our laws, no respect for the Constitution, and no respect for our Christian heritage. Honestly, if he hadn’t run as a Republican, you would be hard-pressed to identify him as one. Our mistake wasn’t in voting for him, it was in thinking a Democrat could govern like a Republican.”

here’s why that won’t work: Trump himself.
“I’m the highest-rated person in the history of the Republican Party” times his entire twitter account

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BeachDem  Oct 31, 2019 • 12:23:02pm

re: #566 Dread Pirate

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Edit—see I’m not very quick—but it bears repeating:

Just on the off chance that there’s anyone who doesn’t know who Jackie Speier is and how she fucking knows about cults:

Speier entered politics by serving as a congressional staffer for Congressman Leo Ryan. Speier was part of his November 1978 fact-finding mission organized to investigate allegations of human-rights abuses by Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple followers, almost all of whom were American citizens who had moved to Jonestown, Guyana, with Jones in 1977 and 1978. Speier was one of two members of the mission who made wills before traveling to Jonestown.

Several Peoples Temple members ambushed the investigative team and others boarding the plane to leave Jonestown on November 18. Five people died, including Congressman Ryan. While trying to shield herself from rifle and shotgun fire behind small airplane wheels with other team members, Speier was shot five times and waited 22 hours before help arrived

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2019 • 12:47:17pm

re: #574 uncah91

AFAIK, she has acknowledged that the other woman in the photos, whom she and her husband had sex with, was a campaign staffer. Given the power discrepancy, that’s dicey under the best of conditions, but fairly clearly the conditions with her husband weren’t ideal. There is the inherent potential for an abuse of power.

I know the obvious double standards are extremely frustrating, the ratfuck potential is 100%, and God I wish we could actually have more nuanced process around this kind of stuff, but I understand the desire on the part of the Democrats to push hard to not tolerate this.

Shorter Uncah: She shit in her own nest.

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Belafon  Oct 31, 2019 • 1:19:56pm

re: #532 Backwoods_Sleuth

I repeat…Katie did NOTHING ILLEGAL.

SHE is not the one who did anything illegal.

Her ex, on the other hand.

What I’ve seen other people go on about is the possible staff affair.


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