Texas School Board Meeting Live-Blogged

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It’s astounding that this is happening in 2009, but the Texas State Board of Education is actually considering passing a curriculum that will teach creationism in public school science classes. And Republican Governor Rick Perry has stacked the board with young earth creationists and pure idiots, including at least two people associated with the infamous Discovery Institute, so the outcome is far from certain. There are three days of hearings scheduled, with the final vote probably coming this Friday.

The Discovery Institute is pushing hard for this one because if Texas—the largest purchaser of textbooks in America—takes that big step back into the Dark Ages, the resulting changes in textbooks may well affect the way science is taught nationwide.

At the Houston Chronicle, Steve Schafersman live-blogged the proceedings today: Live Blogging of the State Board of Education Meeting, March 25-27.

On the pro-science side, we had distinguished scientists, researchers, and textbook authors. On the anti-evolution, pro-Dark Ages side, we had ministers, beauty queens, and Discovery Institute shill Casey Luskin.

It’s sad and infuriating that in so many states, the Republican Party is now dominated by fanatics who want to force their fundamentalist religious views on everyone’s children, and ruin science education in America.

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689 comments
1 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:31:31pm

Texas, use wisdom!

2 miamitech  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:31:39pm

so adam and eve didnt ride dinosaurs to church?

3 screaming_eagle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:32:03pm

Rut Roe, here we go.

4 Shug  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:32:25pm

I think that all textbooks that teach creationism ought to at least be hand copied by monks.

5 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:32:40pm

Please Texas, do NOT fall for the Dark Ages! Leave that for Islam!

6 Nevergiveup  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:32:41pm

Maybe we should go to the mattresses.

7 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:32:42pm

To all Creationist visitors to this thread: Yes, this IS important.

8 HelloDare  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:33:14pm

Does anybody else think it's ironic that Ben Stein is the spokesperson for Clear Eyes?

9 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:33:15pm

Large prune Danish.

10 Russkilitlover  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:33:18pm

Republicans have done more harm to the party, its principles, its vision, and its future, than any opposition could ever inflict.

11 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:33:48pm

re: #10 Russkilitlover

Join the modern Whigs.

12 DEZes  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:34:16pm

Maybe they can put Brontosaurus burgers on the lunch menu.

13 HelloDare  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:34:35pm

And now a special word from Bobby Jindal: exorcism.

14 NYCHardhat  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:34:47pm

Why talk about evolution when this is happening?

15 USBeast  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:34:50pm

re: #8 HelloDare

Does anybody else think it's ironic that Ben Stein is the spokesperson for Clear Eyes?

We need a spokesperson for Clear Brain.

16 doppelganglander  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:35:23pm

Would it be weird to pray that the creationists are defeated?

17 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:35:55pm
18 Racer X  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:36:04pm

Five bucks on post number 133.

19 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:36:06pm

re: #16 doppelganglander

Would it be weird to pray that the creationists are defeated?

No, and I think the Almighty would appreciate the thought.

20 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:36:59pm
3:00 - The current speaker is Austen Williams, whose affiliation is "Mrs. Arlington/Mrs. Texas." This beauty pagent model is in favor of teaching both S&W in high school. She said she had only been introduced to S&W last year, and it changed her life. What precisely she learned, she admitted during questioning, was the concept of irreducible complexity. She learned about the bacterial flagellum and how its interconnected parts cannot coexist in useful form outside of the complete structure, so the flagellum is "irreducibly complex." It was apparent that the lovely Ms. Williams has never been informed of the many refutations of this classic ID Creationist argument.

Grrr- this one is so debunked I can't believe the IDers still float it, but then, the IDers often prey on ignorance.

21 albusteve  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:37:05pm

re: #19 Guanxi88

No, and I think the Almighty would appreciate the thought.

I can't presume to know what God thinks myself

22 Russkilitlover  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:37:06pm

Texas must not have a very powerful teachers' union.

23 screaming_eagle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:37:17pm

re: #12 DEZes

Maybe they can put Brontosaurus burgers on the lunch menu.

And you thought the Flintstones were just a cartoon. They are historical documentaries.

24 Querent  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:37:25pm

funny, 20 years ago, when i was in college, i knew i didn't have the temperament to go into teaching.

now, after working nearly 15 years in tech, i've been volunteering at science fairs aimed at middle-school girls for three years running, demonstrating vacuum coating equipment...

every little bit counts, Lizards, every little bit...

25 HelloDare  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:37:27pm

re: #16 doppelganglander

Would it be weird to pray that the creationists are defeated?

I'm burning a chicken foot and coating my face with charred sage as we speak.

26 Nevergiveup  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:38:56pm

re: #17 buzzsawmonkey

There's a joke about the Texas Book Suppository in there somewhere.

Not really

27 albusteve  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:39:06pm

re: #20 Sharmuta

Grrr- this one is so debunked I can't believe the IDers still float it, but then, the IDers often prey on ignorance.

the IDs assume the Board members are way over their heads and they are probably right

28 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:39:09pm

re: #21 albusteve

I can't presume to know what God thinks myself

I look at the platypus, and know that the Almighty has a sense of humor, if nothing else. If we mere mortals can see the humor and irony in praying that the creationists do not triumph, I daresay He does as well.

29 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:39:11pm

re: #4 Shug

It was really nice to see Mrs. Shug the other night.

30 DEZes  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:39:15pm

re: #23 screaming_eagle

And you thought the Flintstones were just a cartoon. They are historical documentaries.

According to these nut cases, it is.

31 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:39:59pm
32 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:40:04pm

Wow, it's been going on for 5 hours?

33 Shug  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:40:28pm

re: #29 Sharmuta

It was really nice to see Mrs. Shug the other night.

Yes, she made her sort of debut.
She is an avid lurker, but she got into the wine while I was at work and voila.

She loves you lizards

34 sinsremoved  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:40:58pm

I was listening to Mark Levin and he just punished a militant evolutionist caller who had a problem with Bobby Jindal trying to have creation taught along with evolution.
Mark didn't say which side he was on but he is clearly fed up with this pointless debate. He is totally in favor of teaching both.

35 Querent  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:41:02pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout
they can't blind with brilliance, so they bury in blue-sheet?

36 screaming_eagle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:41:07pm

re: #31 taxfreekiller

Nancy Pelosi
John F. Kerry
John Murtha
Harry Reid
Barney Frank
Dennis Kenisinitch
Chuck Schummer
Charlie Rangle
B. Obama
Ted Kennedy
Cold Cash from La.
X unGov. of Ill.
Bill Clinton
Hill Bill Clinton
no Tax Bill Richardson
no Tax Tom Daschel
V.P. Biden
Atty Gen. of gun control
Sec. of lost Treaurary


need I go on

Fuck em

37 HelloDare  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:41:17pm

I'd love to show up in the audience in a gorilla suit and hold up a sign that says "Evolution Is An Inside Job".

38 Racer X  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:41:22pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Wow, it's been going on for 5 hours?

"If your Board of Education Meeting lasts longer than 4 hours please see your doctor".

39 albusteve  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:41:51pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Wow, it's been going on for 5 hours?

it's a terribly complex issue....look for a delay in the vote to...ah...talk some more....it takes a long time to establish a principle then buy it

40 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:41:55pm

The Dems are all hoping this passes so another red state will go purple like this shit caused in Kansas.

41 Shug  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:42:00pm
1:35 p.m. - Ray Bohlin, a well-known Dallas Creationist who has his own Creationist ministry, Probe Ministries, spoke about the limits to biological change and argued against evolution

no comment

42 Querent  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:42:05pm

re: #37 HelloDare
created Ape in His image, maybe?

43 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:42:40pm

We need a new Goldwater.

"When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye."

44 DEZes  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:42:43pm

Probe Ministries, Bwhahahaha.

45 Nevergiveup  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:42:55pm

1:24 Obama phones Jordan`s King Abdullah, discusses Israeli-Palestinian conflict (AP)

Why?

46 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:43:37pm
47 jaunte  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:43:44pm

re: #34 sinsremoved

[Mark Levin] is totally in favor of teaching both.

I'd be curious to see his definition of "both." Evolutionary theory has a lot of support material. The other side's argument is a random collection of debunked criticisms.

48 guitarguy  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:43:57pm

For what it’s worth, Mark Levin just tore a new one on a caller to his radio show. The caller commented on LA Governor Bobby Jindal allowing creationism/ID to be taught in schools.

Levin basically went on a semi rant about how all sides should be expressed in the classroom:

“What’s wrong with that? You gotta problem with that?”

The caller explained that he felt creationism should not be taught in a science class, and Levin went after him.

“Ehhh, don’t give me that crap about science class! You don’t get to say what should and shouldn’t be taught! I get to say it! You know what shouldn’t be taught? Bi-lingual-ism! And that global warming crap! THAT’s what shouldn’t be allowed in our schools!”

Levin’s an intelligent guy, but his attitude was a real turn-off. But I shouldn’t have been surprised. This is the same man who wrote lovingly about his deceased pet dog, ‘Sprite’. Yet he mocked and ridiculed Michael Savage’s love and affection for his own dog.

49 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:44:24pm
50 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:44:59pm

re: #34 sinsremoved

I was listening to Mark Levin and he just punished a militant evolutionist caller who had a problem with Bobby Jindal trying to have creation taught along with evolution.
Mark didn't say which side he was on but he is clearly fed up with this pointless debate. He is totally in favor of teaching both.

People who say, Both should be taught,
Are speaking from ignorance.
I know, because I used to say that.

51 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:46:09pm

re: #34 sinsremoved

I was listening to Mark Levin and he just punished a militant evolutionist caller who had a problem with Bobby Jindal trying to have creation taught along with evolution.
Mark didn't say which side he was on but he is clearly fed up with this pointless debate. He is totally in favor of teaching both.

"Militant evolutionist caller", my ass. It was a Dem who did not want creationism taught in the schools.

52 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:46:29pm

re: #18 Racer X

Five bucks on post number 133.

With all the newbies, I'm thinking it could happen even earlier

53 Nevergiveup  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:46:30pm

re: #49 buzzsawmonkey

OK, I'll buy that.

54 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:46:54pm
55 albusteve  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:46:57pm

it's not about the principle of the issue, which is clear cut...it's about votes and power and money...this is an elitist gang rape clusterfuck....everybody involved should be hauled off in chains if they even think about passing this

56 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:47:15pm
Karen Hewett and a group of five additional science teachers who represent STAT, the Science Teachers Association of Texas, appeared and asked the SBOE to adopt the science standards as written by the science writing panels. Karen Hewett is a past president of STAT. Testifying for her entire group, Karen said that S&W is not a scientific concept.

As was the case in Dover, I'm stunned a school board would not listen to the teachers and the other knowledgeable people brought in to form the standards. It really shows that the agenda trumps reason for them to ignore those who know the most about the subject being taught.

57 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:47:16pm

Calling all ID trolls!

You bored of stories about this? Guess what - so am I! So here's a request. Quit supporting these dickheads in the GOP. Then Charles won't have to write about it and, by extension, you won't have to read about it.

/my LGF creationism meltdown post

58 Shug  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:47:31pm

re: #34 sinsremoved

I was listening to Mark Levin and he just punished a militant evolutionist caller who had a problem with Bobby Jindal trying to have creation taught along with evolution.
Mark didn't say which side he was on but he is clearly fed up with this pointless debate. He is totally in favor of teaching both.


It is far from pointless.

They are trying to replace Science with make-believe

59 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:47:35pm

re: #48 guitarguy

What an ass. Someone should ask him is astrology should be taught in science class.

60 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:48:04pm

re: #33 Shug

I hope she saw my second response to her- she posted she was leaving while I was typing it.

61 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:48:18pm

re: #52 Noam Sayin'

With all the newbies, I'm thinking it could happen even earlier

34's already on board. I say sooner.

62 Nevergiveup  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:48:23pm

How do you spell scumbag?

'I'm having a very good crisis,' says Soros as hedge fund managers make billions off recession

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

63 albusteve  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:48:24pm

re: #59 Slumbering Behemoth

What an ass. Someone should ask him is astrology should be taught in science class.

Voo Doo...I demand it!

64 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:48:37pm

I wonder if the creationists moved in that direction, because they thought science was taking their children away from God. Please, keep the missionaries out of the schools.

65 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:49:23pm

re: #29 Sharmuta

It was really nice to see Mrs. Shug the other night.

Wasn't it? Such a sweetheart...

66 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:49:26pm

re: #59 Slumbering Behemoth

is = if

PIMOIF

67 jaunte  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:49:32pm

"Teaching both" is also a false dichotomy, when you consider how many creation stories are available. There are other religious interest groups watching this carefully.

68 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:49:41pm

re: #20 Sharmuta

Grrr- this one is so debunked I can't believe the IDers still float it, but then, the IDers often prey on ignorance.

Considering what it's full of, the trick might be to keep it from floating...

69 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:49:55pm
70 brookly red  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:50:15pm

re: #54 taxfreekiller

single issue groups never win

your right, hope AND change is 2 issues...

71 Querent  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:50:21pm

re: #67 jaunte

"Teaching both" is also a false dichotomy, when you consider how many creation stories are available. There are other religious interest groups watching this carefully.

yes -- i demand the Prose Edda.

(and i'll add my prayers for the triumph of reason on the Late Night Drinking Thread)

72 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:50:27pm

re: #67 jaunte

"Teaching both" is also a false dichotomy, when you consider how many creation stories are available. There are other religious interest groups watching this carefully.

Agree, Jaunte, we will end up with out and out religious wars if the creationists get their way in science class.

73 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:51:13pm

re: #67 jaunte

"Teaching both" is also a false dichotomy, when you consider how many creation stories are available. There are other religious interest groups watching this carefully.

Absolutely! It's a slippery slope, and they are either ignorant of this fact or they just don't care.

74 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:51:51pm

re: #61 pink freud

34's already on board. I say sooner.

No fair. You rattled his cage.

;P

75 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:52:27pm

re: #74 Noam Sayin'

No fair. You rattled his cage.

;P

I'm still learning the ropes. :D

76 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:52:29pm

re: #20 Sharmuta

"What precisely she learned, she admitted during questioning, was the concept of irreducible complexity"

and what we saw demonstrated in her testimony was irreducible stupidity...

these people are no more "Republicans" because they claim the party than i am a member of "Move-On" because they send me e-mails.

77 Racer X  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:52:38pm

re: #67 jaunte

"Teaching both" is also a false dichotomy, when you consider how many creation stories are available. There are other religious interest groups watching this carefully.

Funny how "teaching both" does not apply to homosexuality.

Let the kids decide?

78 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:52:57pm

re: #73 Sharmuta

Absolutely! It's a slippery slope, and they are either ignorant of this fact or they just don't care.

Creationists, at least the ones I know, would be horrified if they realized they were opening the door to Islam being taught to their children. They are honestly ignorant, not stupid.
The stupidity comes in when they refuse to do their own research, but rather accept the Pastor's word for it.

79 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:52:58pm

re: #75 pink freud

I'm still learning the ropes. :D

First thread downdinger at 343.

Book it.

80 jaunte  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:53:05pm

re: #72 Wishing

re: #73 Sharmuta

"5:35 - Don Patton, a well-known Young Earth Creationist who thinks the Paluxy River dinosaur tracks near Glen Rose, Texas, includes man-track trails. Patton said that "humanistic naturalism" has been defined by the supreme court as a religion. He also said that evolution is a religion, citing Michael Ruse for this."
[Link: www.chron.com...]

They already think they're fighting a religious war.

81 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:53:20pm
82 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:53:30pm
83 guitarguy  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:53:40pm
I was listening to Mark Levin and he just punished a militant evolutionist caller...

The guy was not 'militant'.
But he got off to a bad start by referring to Mark as 'Levin'.

"Mark didn't say which side he was on ....."

Wrong.
He made it VERY clear: Teach both.....in a science class.

84 USBeast  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:53:44pm

re: #16 doppelganglander

Would it be weird to pray that the creationists are defeated?

Heavenly Father, the minions of deception are at work amongst us. They work to deceive us as to the truth You make manifest in your Creation. They seek to confine Your Majesty to the ancient texts of human writers and defy all attempts to understand the message you have imprinted on Your Universe and, especially on this Earth. They seek to confine You to their narrow interpretations and refuse to admit that You and Your Creation are far grander than their feeble understanding can allow.

Help us confound these, the deceived and the deceiving. Help us teach our children to understand Your Creation as You Created it by studying that Creation with the minds you gave them. Let them experience the wonders of Your World and, as Your children, grow in wisdom. This we pray.

85 albusteve  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:53:51pm

re: #73 Sharmuta

Absolutely! It's a slippery slope, and they are either ignorant of this fact or they just don't care.

this 'movement' is off the scale of conceit...they are wrecking the GOP and wasting the education of our children...fuck their God shit

86 Querent  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:54:18pm

re: #84 USBeast
amen!

87 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:54:20pm

re: #84 USBeast

Heavenly Father, the minions of deception are at work amongst us. They work to deceive us as to the truth You make manifest in your Creation. They seek to confine Your Majesty to the ancient texts of human writers and defy all attempts to understand the message you have imprinted on Your Universe and, especially on this Earth. They seek to confine You to their narrow interpretations and refuse to admit that You and Your Creation are far grander than their feeble understanding can allow.

Help us confound these, the deceived and the deceiving. Help us teach our children to understand Your Creation as You Created it by studying that Creation with the minds you gave them. Let them experience the wonders of Your World and, as Your children, grow in wisdom. This we pray.

Yep, I think that would fly.

88 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:54:46pm

re: #77 Racer X

Funny how "teaching both" does not apply to homosexuality.

Let the kids decide?

Oh- it's flaming hypocrisy on these people's part- not just homosexuality, but all of sex education. In fact- where should we draw the line with kids deciding what the correct answer is in any subject? Billy says 2 + 2 = 22. I think he's right. Anyone who says otherwise is limiting Billy academic freedom.

89 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:54:49pm

re: #34 sinsremoved

I was listening to Mark Levin and he just punished a militant evolutionist caller who had a problem with Bobby Jindal trying to have creation taught along with evolution.
Mark didn't say which side he was on but he is clearly fed up with this pointless debate. He is totally in favor of teaching both.

"Militant evolutionist"? When did he get caught breaking into Levin's show with a 'K, shouting "Watson wa-Crick Akbar"?

90 Racer X  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:55:39pm

re: #85 albusteve

this 'movement' is off the scale of conceit...they are wrecking the GOP and wasting the education of our children...fuck their God shit

Oh you are going straight to hell for that!

/heathen

91 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:55:50pm

re: #84 USBeast

Heavenly Father, the minions of deception are at work amongst us. They work to deceive us as to the truth You make manifest in your Creation. They seek to confine Your Majesty to the ancient texts of human writers and defy all attempts to understand the message you have imprinted on Your Universe and, especially on this Earth. They seek to confine You to their narrow interpretations and refuse to admit that You and Your Creation are far grander than their feeble understanding can allow.

Help us confound these, the deceived and the deceiving. Help us teach our children to understand Your Creation as You Created it by studying that Creation with the minds you gave them. Let them experience the wonders of Your World and, as Your children, grow in wisdom. This we pray.

AMEN!

92 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:55:50pm

re: #83 guitarguy

Wrong.
He made it VERY clear: Teach both.....in a science class.

in which case it is no longer a science class, but simply a waste of time....

93 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:55:57pm
94 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:56:40pm

If creationists were smart, they'd call for more gospel in music class. Now, I can get behind a gospel music movement.

95 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:56:52pm

re: #93 taxfreekiller

"Who is afraid of big bad Mark Levin"?

His shrink?

96 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:56:55pm
97 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:57:35pm

re: #93 taxfreekiller

"Who is afraid of big bad Mark Levin"?

i don't even know who he is, but it sounds like he's yet another arguement for avoiding talk radio.....

98 HelloDare  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:57:40pm

re: #41 Shug


1:35 p.m. - Ray Bohlin, a well-known Dallas Creationist who has his own Creationist ministry, Probe Ministries, spoke about the limits to biological change and argued against evolution

Mr. Bohlin wouldn't know a transitional fossil if it crawled up his ass. Ah..wait a minute...

99 brookly red  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:57:43pm

re: #93 taxfreekiller

"Who is afraid of big bad Mark Levin"?

I do hope you mean that in a good way sir.

100 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:57:55pm

re: #96 Iron Fist

Where, why, and how do you see this becoming a war? The Christian/Religious Right haven't exactly been waging a war so far.

maybe you should get out more.... it's all around you.

101 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:57:57pm

re: #94 Mr. In get Mr. Out

If creationists were smart, they'd call for more gospel in music class. Now, I can get behind a gospel music movement.

Quite a bit of religious music does end up in music class: from "When The Saints Go Marching In" to "Good King Wenceslas" all the way to Bach...

102 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:58:10pm

re: #89 Zimriel

"Militant evolutionist"? When did he get caught breaking into Levin's show with a 'K, shouting "Watson wa-Crick Akbar"?

Do you think most of the conservative talk show hosts are creationists? I am beginning to think so, though they don't all bring it up very often.

103 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:58:14pm

re: #93 taxfreekiller

I'm not. I don't even know Mark Levin. But apparently, on this issue, his head is firmly and deeply ensconced in his ass.

104 Querent  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:58:31pm

re: #98 HelloDare
you're on fire today -- good thing i reloaded my upding bandoliers.

105 Basho  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:59:06pm

re: #95 Zimriel

His shrink?

Bwahahahaha! You almost made me spit out my tea.

106 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:59:18pm
107 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 4:59:47pm
108 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:00:11pm

The thread has been downdung.

109 HelloDare  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:00:13pm

We have our first downdinger:

Minus: 1
CJW

110 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:00:26pm

re: #96 Iron Fist

Where, why, and how do you see this becoming a war? The Christian/Religious Right haven't exactly been waging a war so far.

When one doctrine (Baptist) gets pushed before another doctrine (Pentecostal) does. WAR

111 jaunte  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:00:42pm

re: #109 HelloDare

We have our first downdinger:

Minus: 1
CJW

They must be opposed to liveblogging.

112 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:00:46pm

re: #102 VioletTiger

Do you think most of the conservative talk show hosts are creationists? I am beginning to think so, though they don't all bring it up very often.

I don't know. Limbaugh supported Ben Stein's movies and slandered biology teachers as bigots ("not big tent people"); he's a creationist, for sure. Levin is a demagogue who is pandering to his base of listeners, so I'm less sure of him.

113 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:00:56pm

re: #101 Zimriel

Quite a bit of religious music does end up in music class: from "When The Saints Go Marching In" to "Good King Wenceslas" all the way to Bach...

Yes, I know. I've been to many concerts put on by the schools, even hearing a Hebrew song or two.

114 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:01:15pm

re: #111 jaunte

One can only guess, as the coward never comments.

115 Querent  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:01:24pm

re: #109 HelloDare
ready to man the guns, Cap'n!

116 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:01:30pm
117 DEZes  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:01:44pm

Move over Einstein, Get out of the way Hawking.
Stand down Darwin, Copernicus and Hubble.
We have Bible, and ain't afraid to use!

Hell lets just lobotomize the kids and be done with it.
/

118 USBeast  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:01:50pm

re: #108 Bloodnok

The thread has been downdung.

Who dares do the downdinging? Damn!

119 HelloDare  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:01:52pm

re: #111 jaunte

They must be opposed to liveblogging.

It's the devil's workshop. 'duh!

120 jaunte  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:01:55pm

re: #114 Slumbering Behemoth

One can only guess, as the coward never comments.

CJW = 'Can't; Jaw Wired."

121 unclassifiable  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:01:56pm

You think that passing this stuff would be enough to make the Feds move NASA out of the state?

It would serve us right.

122 VioletTiger  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:02:09pm

re: #109 HelloDare

We have our first downdinger:

Minus: 1
CJW

If they are going to downding a thread, they should at least come and discuss their POV.

123 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:02:36pm

re: #122 VioletTiger

If they are going to downding a thread, they should at least come and discuss their POV.

that might be against their religion......

124 Querent  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:02:56pm

re: #121 unclassifiable

there's lots of high tech in Texas... need hard science educations to keep that up...

125 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:02:59pm

re: #122 VioletTiger

If they are going to downding a thread, they should at least come and discuss their POV.

The factses. They burns us.

126 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:03:35pm
127 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:03:44pm

Levin saidre: #116 taxfreekiller

[Link: www.marklevinshow.com...]

Liberty vs Tyranny

Constitutional scholar,
Regan adviser

Soon to be the number one best seller of all time.

Yep.

For the record, Levin said the audio of the show would be posted on his site for those of you wanting to hear what he said for yourselves.

128 screaming_eagle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:04:09pm

re: #125 Bloodnok

The factses. They burns us.

LMAO. I can even imagine Golem saying that.

129 Soona'  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:04:09pm

I put it off as long as the other thread was alive, but I'm here now. But I have to say goodbye for now. "Goodbye for now".

130 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:04:22pm

re: #124 Querent

there's lots of high tech in Texas... need hard science educations to keep that up...

"we don need no steekin science.... we are the textbook police."

131 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:04:43pm

re: #120 jaunte

CJW = 'Can't; Jaw Wired."

Coward, Just Won't.

132 brookly red  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:04:57pm

re: #116 taxfreekiller

[Link:

133 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:05:03pm

re: #94 Mr. In get Mr. Out

If creationists were smart, they'd call for more gospel in music class. Now, I can get behind a gospel music movement.

When I was in high school choir, we sang a lot of religious music as well as secular songs. No one complained. Maybe because a lot of those songs were in latin, but I think it was more because in the context of musical history, it's hard to get around the fact that music was largely supported by The Church in certain eras of time as well as religion serving as an inspiration to many composers. Militant Darwinists certainly didn't complain about us singing Te Deum:

Youtube Video
134 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:05:09pm

re: #131 pink freud

Coward, Just Won't.

Christian, Jesus Watching

135 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:05:17pm

Is there some way we can slap Rick Perry upside the head?

136 DEZes  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:05:42pm

re: #125 Bloodnok

The factses. They burns us.

Now thats a rotating title!

137 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:05:53pm

re: #126 Iron Fist

That is the way rational people see it, as a disagreement. The pushers of creationism, however, more likely than not see this as a spiritual war.

138 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:06:14pm
139 brookly red  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:06:17pm

re: #132 brookly red

I don't know what happened to that post, but I said " that is what I thouhht you meant".

140 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:06:18pm
141 FQ Kafir  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:07:05pm
It’s sad and infuriating that in so many states, the Republican Party is now dominated by fanatics who want to force their fundamentalist religious views on everyone’s children, and ruin science education in America.

Yes.

Jindal, are you listening?

142 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:07:06pm

re: #126 Iron Fist

A list of attacks, especially any battles. A list of the casualties for both sides would also be interesting. Or maybe you define war, to be kind, as being overbroad.

Make no mistake. When I say that I can see the gun control issue bring about a Civil War, I mean a real war where people are shooting at each other. I think that the Military would likely fight on both sides of the line. I'm not sure which side would win, but I have no doubt that it would be bloody.

I see robust political discourse going on, with both sides trying to sway public opinion, and convince the voters that their side is right. This is not a war. It is a disagreement.

in that use of the term, you have a point. in the other that you deem possible, the military, even if they went 100% for suppression, which they likely wouldn't, is doomed. the enemy would be everywhere, and the logistics would fail almost immediately. without logistics, you don't have an Army.

143 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:07:06pm

re: #133 Sharmuta

When I was in high school choir, we sang a lot of religious music as well as secular songs. No one complained. Maybe because a lot of those songs were in latin, but I think it was more because in the context of musical history, it's hard to get around the fact that music was largely supported by The Church in certain eras of time as well as religion serving as an inspiration to many composers. Militant Darwinists certainly didn't complain about us singing Te Deum:


[Video]

I too sang religious songs in high school. I'm sure I was trying to make a point that escapes me now. I should have just said, creationists need to worry about their own children without ruining the rest.

144 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:07:06pm

This is no surprise. This is the republican party. This has never been lurking in the party, it's always been visible, and I don't know why it's anyone would suppose it would be different now.

145 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:08:25pm

re: #140 Iron Fist

So you are planning on a bombing? Or are you planning on shooting up a Baptist Church or something. Because that is what war is. Maybe you should read some of the history of the conflict in Northern Ireland. That is the best modern example of war between religious factions.

My point is that once these people get their particular religion taught as science, another group, pushing their own agenda will start teaching their own odd ball doctrine...

146 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:08:29pm

re: #140 Iron Fist

The left hijacked the word "war" long ago with "war on poverty". It's rhetorical use many be overused, but it's beyond dispute that science education is under attack from the religious right and the remainder of our education is under attack them the left. I think both should stop.

147 Querent  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:08:41pm

re: #130 redc1c4

exactly.

and to think i cringed when i read in the WSJ about a schoolteacher / PETA mole having her class write nasty letters to Gillette's CEO -- back in the mid '80s when I was in high-school...

148 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:09:00pm
149 HelloDare  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:09:07pm

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

OT

Has anyone else been musing about the fact that we are relying on the People's Republic of China (founder, one Mao Zedong) to purchase and hold the Obama-generated debt, and that said Obama's political mentor is one Bill Ayers, a Maoist?

I think of it often.

150 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:09:56pm

re: #141 FQ Kafir

Yes.

Jindal, are you listening?

Jindal raised 6 million at that post-0-speech get together last night, at $2500 a plate.

That's not a small amount of conservative movers and shakers willing to fork over the big bucks to hear a governor who signed the nation's first creationist bill.

/Just sayin'

151 Querent  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:10:08pm

re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth

That is the way rational people see it, as a disagreement. The pushers of creationism, however, more likely than not see this as a spiritual war.

the really committed ones do. you are too prescient.

152 brookly red  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:10:56pm

re: #146 Sharmuta

The left hijacked the word "war" long ago with "war on poverty". It's rhetorical use many be overused, but it's beyond dispute that science education is under attack from the religious right and the remainder of our education is under attack them the left. I think both should stop.


i didn't want to comment, i just thought this was worth saying again.

153 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:11:46pm

Semi OT: Jonah Goldberg: Yeah, but the left is crazy too.....
Paranoid Style for Thee But Not For Me

But I just have a hard time listening to liberals grow suddenly high-brow and Ivy League serious about the paranoid style of the American Right. Where were these people for the last eight years when abject paranoid hysteria consumed the left flank of liberalism and threatened to capsize the entire enterprise? There are certainly elements on the Right that are prone to such things, but there are also elements on the Left that are just as prone to it. I will stack Naomi Wolfe up against any John Bircher. Naomi Klein, Noam Chomsky, the folks at ANSWER, Ward Churchill, are no less conspiratorial than your typical right-wing conspiracy theorist and some of them are not only worse, but far more accepted by the liberal establishment than their opposite numbers are by the conservative establishment.
....
But spare me the lectures if you can only find things to worry about to your right.

Distract from your own bad behavior by pointing to someone else is bad form. It didn't work for the left and it's no excuse for the right.

154 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:11:48pm

re: #151 Querent

I'M A WHAT, NOW?!?
/// ;-)

155 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:12:03pm

re: #34 sinsremoved

I was listening to Mark Levin and he just punished a militant evolutionist caller who had a problem with Bobby Jindal trying to have creation taught along with evolution.
Mark didn't say which side he was on but he is clearly fed up with this pointless debate. He is totally in favor of teaching both.

If creationism must be taught (and I don't think it should) - then make sure it's under the banner "Theology" and not science.

156 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:12:12pm
157 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:12:20pm

re: #143 Mr. In get Mr. Out

I too sang religious songs in high school. I'm sure I was trying to make a point that escapes me now. I should have just said, creationists need to worry about their own children without ruining the rest.

I think it would be tragic for any and all music with a religious bent to be removed from the schools. There are just so many beautiful and important pieces of music that kids would never get the pleasure to learn and perform.

But it's a completely different issue between art and science. Art being subjective, and science being objective, you just can't compare.

158 Basho  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:12:33pm

Why Darwin Matters and other great books from a great individual one may consider purchasing:

Youtube Video
159 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:12:48pm

re: #150 pink freud

Jindal raised 6 million at that post-0-speech get together last night, at $2500 a plate.

That's not a small amount of conservative movers and shakers willing to fork over the big bucks to hear a governor who signed the nation's first creationist bill.

/Just sayin'

all that money won't buy the two votes at my house if Jindal or someone like him is the candidate........ nor the votes at lots of other houses either.

160 Querent  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:12:53pm

re: #154 Slumbering Behemoth

a lizard who sees all too clearly!

Thanks for the updings, have some more and a cupcake!

161 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:13:13pm

If you are going to buy Mark Levin's book, be sure to use the Amazon link here on LGF.

162 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:13:14pm

re: #152 brookly red

Thanks.

163 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:13:27pm
On the pro-science side, we had distinguished scientists, researchers, and textbook authors. On the anti-evolution, pro-Dark Ages side, we had ministers, beauty queens, and Discovery Institute shill Casey Luskin.

Geez, who would you rather be marooned on a desert island with.
Ginger or the Professor.........

No brainer if you ask me.....

;-P

164 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:13:41pm

re: #144 Walter L. Newton

This is no surprise. This is the republican party. This has never been lurking in the party, it's always been visible, and I don't know why it's anyone would suppose it would be different now.


It's not everyone in the R party - just way too many.
btw - I responded to you late in the last thread... 5 gallons? That's a lot.

165 screaming_eagle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:13:50pm

Has any of these idoits ever explained why there are no written descriptians of dinosaurs? Whether it be Greeks,Mayans or Egytians ?

166 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:14:07pm

re: #159 redc1c4

all that money won't buy the two votes at my house if Jindal or someone like him is the candidate........ nor the votes at lots of other houses either.

Agreed, but there do seem a whole bunch of folks a'slippin' and a'slidin' down this road awful fast.

167 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:14:08pm

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

China has been buying t-bills for decades. They've been bitching about them for just as long. Nothing has changed.

168 DEZes  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:14:08pm

re: #163 jcm

Geez, who would you rather be marooned on a desert island with.
Ginger or the Professor.........

No brainer if you ask me.....

;-P

Mary Ann. ;)

169 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:14:13pm

re: #161 Wishing

If you are going to buy Mark Levin's book, be sure to use the Amazon link here on LGF.

WHEN If you are going to buy Mark Levin's book, be sure to use the Amazon link here on LGF.

FIFY!

170 Basho  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:14:22pm

re: #165 screaming_eagle

Has any of these idoits ever explained why there are no written descriptians of dinosaurs? Whether it be Greeks,Mayans or Egytians ?

DRAGONS!
/

171 HelloDare  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:14:26pm

re: #165 screaming_eagle

Has any of these idoits ever explained why there are no written descriptians of dinosaurs? Whether it be Greeks,Mayans or Egytians ?

Dinosaurs ate them.

172 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:14:27pm

lol Texas

173 Querent  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:14:37pm

re: #165 screaming_eagle

Has any of these idoits ever explained why there are no written descriptians of dinosaurs? Whether it be Greeks,Mayans or Egytians ?


nope -- they all burned in the Library of Alexandria.
Ooops!

174 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:14:49pm

re: #168 DEZes

Mary Ann. ;)

We weren't given the choice of the farmer's daughter....
;-)

175 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:15:03pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Distract from your own bad behavior by pointing to someone else is bad form. It didn't work for the left and it's no excuse for the right.

Precisely. There is no place for "But he did it first/does it too" in a grown up argument.

176 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:15:03pm

re: #169 jcm

WHEN If you are going to buy Mark Levin's book, be sure to use the Amazon link here on LGF.

FIFY!

Thank ewe!

177 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:15:12pm

re: #169 jcm

WHEN If you are going to buy Mark Levin's book, be sure to use the Amazon link here on LGF.

FIFY!

sounds like Mark doesn't want my money.....

he sure isn't going to be getting it.

178 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:15:14pm

re: #171 HelloDare

Dinosaurs ate them.

The authors or the written descriptions?

179 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:15:29pm

re: #106 taxfreekiller

Zimriel,

Why do you not get a debate set up with Levin and show him whats what.

If he is such a fool, you'll blow by him with your wit and knowledge.

(#116)Constitutional scholar,

That would depend on the terms of debate, wouldn't it? I assume he is able to beat me on points on the topic of the Constitution. I might even agree with him that the Constitution is weak on preventing faith-based state-directed propaganda. Whether he is able to beat other Constitutional scholars would be another question, best left to those other scholars.

I could go toe to toe with him on the philosophy of science though, because he's apparently weak at that. I expect he hasn't done his homework on the basic science either. I'd have him making me sandwiches within the hour.

180 brookly red  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:15:43pm

re: #159 redc1c4

all that money won't buy the two votes at my house if Jindal or someone like him is the candidate........ nor the votes at lots of other houses either.

Jindal or Obama? pick one

181 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:15:48pm

re: #161 Wishing

If you are going to buy Mark Levin's book, be sure to use the Amazon link here on LGF.

Mark Levin is generating a lot of heat on the right but I'm suspicious these days. Any hints of nuttiness of insanity that we're going to find embarrassing late on?

182 DEZes  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:15:58pm

re: #174 jcm

We weren't given the choice of the farmer's daughter....
;-)

DAMN!

183 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:16:01pm
184 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:16:04pm

re: #178 jcm

The authors or the written descriptions?

the authors: Ringo has a picture of a knight fighting off a dinosaur on his web page.

185 HelloDare  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:16:15pm

re: #178 jcm

The authors or the written descriptions?

Yes.

186 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:16:22pm

re: #164 FrogMarch

It's not everyone in the R party - just way too many.
btw - I responded to you late in the last thread... 5 gallons? That's a lot.

And I replied. Five gallons, I don't know, I'm a guy. It's a really big Le Creuset soup pot, 5 gallons, 5 quarts, all I know is it makes about 10 bowls of soup.

187 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:16:31pm

re: #180 brookly red

Jindal or Obama? pick one

Obama.

188 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:16:37pm

the R party is eating itself from within by having to tightrope between the religious faction and the non-religious faction. Meanwhile the leftists are have a huge party and our fiscal liberties are swirling down the toilet.

189 brookly red  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:16:54pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

Mark Levin is generating a lot of heat on the right but I'm suspicious these days. Any hints of nuttiness of insanity that we're going to find embarrassing late on?

no Levin is the real deal...

190 callahan23  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:16:58pm

Oh, no here we go again. S J
Is back on the interwebs.

191 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:16:59pm

re: #186 Walter L. Newton

And I replied. Five gallons, I don't know, I'm a guy. It's a really big Le Creuset soup pot, 5 gallons, 5 quarts, all I know is it makes about 10 bowls of soup.

then it would be 5 qts..... most likely.

192 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:17:09pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Semi OT: Jonah Goldberg: Yeah, but the left is crazy too.....
Paranoid Style for Thee But Not For Me


Distract from your own bad behavior by pointing to someone else is bad form. It didn't work for the left and it's no excuse for the right.

Goldberg's made a career out of doing that, and now it's starting to crimp his logical faculties.

193 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:17:23pm

re: #175 Slumbering Behemoth

Precisely. There is no place for "But he did it first/does it too" in a grown up argument.

It also doesn't solve the problem. Too many people find it easier to distract rather than solve a problem.

194 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:17:40pm

Doctors vs beauty pageant contestants.....

What in the world are these people thinking if they give a pageant contestant more credence than an actual scientist? The parents and children of Texas could not be more ill served than this.

195 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:17:45pm

re: #184 redc1c4

the authors: Ringo has a picture of a knight fighting off a dinosaur on his web page.

We know for certain knights fought dragons to save damsels in distress! Must have been dinosaurs!

//

196 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:17:48pm

OT, but the "moderate" Paliterrorists are still glorifying terrorism:
PA TV Celebrates Coastal Road Massacre

Palestinian Media Watch has released a video report on the Palestinian Authority's television station full-length special devoted to the glorification of the most murderous attack on Israeli civilian in history: the 1978 Coastal Road massacre.
Terrorists from Lebanon and landed by Zodiac boats on a beach near Ma'agan Michael, north of Tel Aviv. They reached the Coastal Highway and commandeered a bus that was carrying Egged bus drivers and their families on a day outing.

The bus continued driving south on the Coastal Road (Highway 2) while the terrorists fired and threw grenades at passing cars, shot passengers and dumped at least one body out of the bus. An explosion set the bus on fire, killing 38 civilians, 13 of them children. 71 Israelis were wounded.


And 0bama wants to give these [deleted] a state. (I won't call them animals, because I don't want to make any association between them and the nice dog asleep on my lap)

197 nyc redneck  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:17:51pm

mark levin is as good as it gets.
the jerk calling in was all abt. throwing him off his game.
mark slammed the guy. he was not going to be put on the defensive.
he refused to take the bait. he was not going to sell out the i.d. people.
i felt it was on principle because the caller was an ass hole

after the break mark came back to say, i.d is nothing compared to the destruction the left is doing to our country.
and he said, if the guy had been a decent person he would have had a conversation w/ him.
that's my take from what i heard.
there's no way mark goes under the bus, for me, based on that little interaction.

198 midwestgak  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:17:52pm

re: #190 callahan23

Oh, no here we go again. S J
Is back on the interwebs.

Forgive my ignorance. SJ?

199 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:18:08pm

re: #156 Iron Fist

Look, I like you IR, but don't fucking put words in my mouth. I did not say any of that.

I simply said that it's not beyond reason to assume that many of them see it as a spiritual war. Spiritual.

200 LGoPs  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:18:19pm

re: #168 DEZes

Mary Ann. ;)

I had a crush on Mary Ann when I was a kid.

201 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:18:26pm

re: #193 Killgore Trout

It also doesn't solve the problem. Too many people find it easier to distract rather than solve a problem.

It's just a way to self-justify the poor behavior in ourselves.

202 Lee Coller  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:18:47pm

re: #198 midwestgak

Forgive my ignorance. SJ?

Consider yourself lucky.

203 callahan23  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:19:08pm

re: #198 midwestgak

Forgive my ignorance. SJ?


Have a look at who it is at 1 7 2.

204 USBeast  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:19:15pm

The reason there are no descriptions of dinosaurs by the ancients is that they were certain no one would believe them. Perfectly simple.
/

205 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:19:21pm

re: #157 Sharmuta

I think it would be tragic for any and all music with a religious bent to be removed from the schools. There are just so many beautiful and important pieces of music that kids would never get the pleasure to learn and perform.

But it's a completely different issue between art and science. Art being subjective, and science being objective, you just can't compare.

Exactly. Without Ode to Joy, I don't know how many children would have stuck by their instruments. Though, the hymn came later than Beethoven's Ninth Symphony.

206 DEZes  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:19:47pm

re: #200 LGoPs

I had a crush on Mary Ann when I was a kid.

Join the crowd, she was wooow.

207 brookly red  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:20:13pm

re: #187 redc1c4

Obama.

as you wish.

208 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:20:18pm

re: #200 LGoPs

I had a crush on Mary Ann when I was a kid.

I always preferred Mary Ann......

209 Querent  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:20:36pm

re: #204 USBeast
or they mistook a mammoth skull for a "cyclops", putting one big eye where the trunk would have been...

...however, that still doesn't give us any verifiable Velociraptor.

210 DEZes  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:20:51pm

re: #208 jcm

I always preferred Mary Ann......

Mmmmmm.

211 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:21:01pm

re: #206 DEZes

Join the crowd, she was wooow.

Now a days.

212 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:21:14pm
213 DEZes  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:22:17pm

re: #211 pink freud

Now a days.

Now that was mean.
;)

214 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:22:31pm

re: #206 DEZes

re: #208 jcm

re: #210 DEZes

Sorry. :-)

215 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:22:32pm

re: #188 FrogMarch

the R party is eating itself from within by having to tightrope between the religious faction and the non-religious faction. Meanwhile the leftists are have a huge party and our fiscal liberties are swirling down the toilet.

I'm late to the party but that's OK, FrogMarch said it for me.
*holds up lighter*

216 Querent  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:22:49pm

time to head out -- leaving Sharmuta in charge of the cupcakes -- you can throw any leftovers at the downdingers, or use them to finish off a tasty meal of Gamy Troll Buttocks in a nice reduction of Red Zinfandel...

217 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:22:55pm

re: #172 SpaceJesus

lol Texas

Now, look, we Lone Star folk aren't all of us stark raving mad. What they think they gain by this foolishness is more than I can know.

By the way, good to see you. Been a while.

218 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:22:55pm
219 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:23:13pm

re: #188 FrogMarch

"are having"

220 screaming_eagle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:23:19pm

re: #195 jcm

We know for certain knights fought dragons to save damsels in distress! Must have been dinosaurs!

//

Hell that's prolly their argument. Just remove the //.

221 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:23:40pm

re: #209 Querent

or they mistook a mammoth skull for a "cyclops", putting one big eye where the trunk would have been...

...however, that still doesn't give us any verifiable Velociraptor.

Excuse me?

Velociraptor was first found and described by paleontologist H. F. Osborn in Mongolia in 1924. About a dozen Velociraptor fossils have been found, including one who died in a battle to the death with Protoceratops and two hatchling Velociraptor skulls that were found near an oviraptorid nest in Mongolia (they may have been a meal). Fossils have been found in Mongolia, Russia, and China.
222 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:23:42pm

re: #216 Querent

time to head out -- leaving Sharmuta in charge of the cupcakes -- you can throw any leftovers at the downdingers, or use them to finish off a tasty meal of Gamy Troll Buttocks in a nice reduction of Red Zinfandel...

we are not wasting Zinfandel on any "reduction"..... that's what Cab Sav is for.

223 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:23:43pm

re: #186 Walter L. Newton

And I replied. Five gallons, I don't know, I'm a guy. It's a really big Le Creuset soup pot, 5 gallons, 5 quarts, all I know is it makes about 10 bowls of soup.

10 bowls of soup. You and the bird are all set.

224 LGoPs  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:24:07pm

re: #211 pink freud

Now a days.

I prefer her as she remains in my memory.......
:)

225 HelloDare  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:24:12pm

re: #214 pink freud

re: #208 jcm

re: #210 DEZes

Sorry. :-)

No need to apologize. She's stoned. They might have a shot at her.

226 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:24:24pm

re: #217 Guanxi88

Now, look, we Lone Star folk aren't all of us stark raving mad. What they think they gain by this foolishness is more than I can know.

By the way, good to see you. Been a while.

That's exactly how I felt when Jindal signed that damned bill into law. Still do. Now I find myself on the same damn side of an issue as liberals!

227 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:24:30pm

re: #197 nyc redneck

after the break mark came back to say, i.d is nothing compared to the destruction the left is doing to our country.

This may be true, but it is not a worthy excuse to embrace the tactics of the left to further ruin education.

228 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:24:37pm

re: #205 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Exactly. Without Ode to Joy, I don't know how many children would have stuck by their instruments. Though, the hymn came later than Beethoven's Ninth Symphony.

So many pieces of music come to mind, it's not even funny. And that's just music classes. Then there was the overwhelming amount of religious art in my humanities classes. It's true I've been out of high school for a very long time, but these are just a couple of examples of how religion is still very much allowed in high schools in the appropriate subjects. Religion is not now, nor will it ever be science and it doesn't belong in science classes.

229 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:24:48pm

re: #217 Guanxi88

Now, look, we Lone Star folk aren't all of us stark raving mad. What they think they gain by this foolishness is more than I can know.

By the way, good to see you. Been a while.

Don't egg him on... GAZE... he's a jerk.

230 snowcrash  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:24:59pm

re: #197 nyc redneck
I am with you. Levin isn't a politician, he makes no policy. I'm 3rd on the library reserve list for his book. :)

231 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:25:13pm

re: #224 LGoPs

I prefer her as she remains in my memory.......
:)

I do too. I loved that show.

232 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:25:17pm

re: #220 screaming_eagle

Hell that's prolly their argument. Just remove the //.

I'm sure this is what they tell themselves, and what they pretend to believe, but trust me, NO ONE who doesn't spend his spare time in the day-room doing modeling clay and other arts and crafts for therapy really believes that.

233 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:25:24pm

re: #214 pink freud

re: #208 jcm

re: #210 DEZes

Sorry. :-)

ROFLMAO!

Mary Ann's mug shot.... She'll always look like this to me.....

234 screaming_eagle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:25:32pm

re: #204 USBeast

The reason there are no descriptions of dinosaurs by the ancients is that they were certain no one would believe them. Perfectly simple.
/

Psyhic ancients? Would that mean man is really devolving?

235 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:25:45pm

re: #201 Sharmuta

It's just a way to self-justify the poor behavior in ourselves.

It's as you have said before; many prefer propaganda to facts.

236 LGoPs  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:25:45pm

re: #195 jcm

We know for certain knights fought dragons to save damsels in distress! Must have been dinosaurs!

//

IIRC, I remember a picture of St George fighting a Dragon from when I was a kid........

237 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:26:14pm

re: #236 LGoPs

IIRC, I remember a picture of St George fighting a Dragon from when I was a kid........

Taken with a Kodak?

238 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:26:24pm

re: #224 LGoPs

For a woman pushing 70 and realizing the perpetual high-schoolers at TMZ are going to be having a field day with this, she looks pretty Zen in that mugshot. :)

239 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:26:50pm

re: #238 Chicago Blonde

For a woman pushing 70 and realizing the perpetual high-schoolers at TMZ are going to be having a field day with this, she looks pretty Zen in that mugshot. :)

I think she looks amused.

240 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:27:09pm

re: #212 Iron Fist

But calling it a "religious war" means things that I don't believe you really mean to convey. If that is where you see this going, I'd be curious as to the circumstances that you see this happening in.

But I think the point Wishing was making earlier was that opening this wedge for Christian creationism will let in other religious creation stories such as islam. And then you just might see science classes turning into a microcosm of the greater conflict we're currently engaged in overseas.

241 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:27:15pm

re: #236 LGoPs

IIRC, I remember a picture of St George fighting a Dragon from when I was a kid........

See! PRUTH!*

*if moonbat truth = troof then ID Proof = Pruth*

242 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:27:33pm

re: #239 Wishing

I think she looks amused.

I think she looks stoned......

243 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:27:51pm

Texas kicks ass.
Some great towns like San Antonio and Austin. Great music in Austin. Houston saved my life once. True story.


SpaceJesus on the other hand, sucks donkey D.

244 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:27:53pm
245 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:27:54pm

re: #242 jcm

I think she looks stoned......

There's a difference?

246 HelloDare  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:27:56pm

re: #233 jcm

ROFLMAO!

She'll always look like this to me.....

She used that leaf to roll a doobie.

247 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:28:31pm

re: #245 Wishing

There's a difference?

LOL!

248 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:29:08pm

re: #243 FrogMarch

Texas kicks ass.
Some great towns like San Antonio and Austin. Great music in Austin. Houston saved my life once. True story.

SpaceJesus on the other hand, sucks donkey D.

That's 2 for 2.
/You're scaring me...

249 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:29:13pm

re: #40 Thanos

The Dems are all hoping this passes so another red state will go purple like this shit caused in Kansas.

For those that don't know, in a red state this shit got us a Democrat governor, a lieutenant governor who was the Republican chairman of the party in my county who changed to Democrat, and an attorney general who was the Republican DA in my county who changed to Democrat, and lots of other former Republicans who had up to here with creationist bullshit. Well, that and the abortion issue.

250 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:29:17pm

re: #243 FrogMarch

Texas kicks ass.
Some great towns like San Antonio and Austin. Great music in Austin. Houston saved my life once. True story.

SpaceJesus on the other hand, sucks donkey D.

That's not very nice. What do you have against donkey's?

251 USBeast  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:29:17pm

re: #234 screaming_eagle

Psyhic ancients? Would that mean man is really devolving?

No, just getting lazy. By all indications we are heading for events that will make us pull up our socks.

252 gregg  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:29:22pm

OT: What show/channel is Obama on tonight? I want to program my remote to skip over it.

253 nyc redneck  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:29:33pm

re: #227 Slumbering Behemoth

This may be true, but it is not a worthy excuse to embrace the tactics of the left to further ruin education.

i didn't think he was 'embracing' it, by any means.
or defending it.
i think he was abt. stopping the obnoxious caller in his tracks.
who really was just after a gotcha moment.
the guy did not want a real conversation.

254 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:29:35pm

re: #156 Iron Fist

And they have killed whom, again?

They are the spiritual descendents of an obscurantism which has killed many millions; and where there is a shortage of scientists, they delay progress which kills millions more by the year.

So far, as far as I know, they have done everything in accordance with law and democracy. You may not agree with their position, you may even consider it laughable. You may think that they are lying (YEC says the world is only 6000 years old. This can't be backed up by any facts).

What they aren't doing is waging a religious war.

Wrong. They are using unethical tactics to browbeat their opponents. Misdirection and propaganda are tactics of warfare.

What are you suggesting, exactly? That their viewpoint should be made illegal?That they don't have the right to try and influence their fellow citizens through political discourse? Through winning votes (or losing them)?

They have every right, but their votes shouldn't count.

I've argued that decisions about science should be taken away from voters, and assigned to a separate branch of the state which is selected by their peers instead - the judicial branch. So IDers could say what they want; but what they say should have no influence on research, textbooks, or educational standards.

255 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:29:36pm

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

Don't egg him on... GAZE... he's a jerk.

But I like jerks! So does my wife, that's why we got married.

256 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:30:52pm

re: #243 FrogMarch

Texas kicks ass.
Some great towns like San Antonio and Austin. Great music in Austin. Houston saved my life once. True story.

SpaceJesus on the other hand, sucks donkey D.

avanti would be jealous of that.

257 midwestgak  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:31:04pm

OT. The O'Reilly Factor pollster Frank Luntz is a sham. Luntz shows a graph of GOP and DEM responses to a message. And we are supposed to believe that the listener's responses can be measured and then charted? No votes mind you. No interviews mind you. Just a silly made up graph. IMHO.

258 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:31:14pm

re: #255 Guanxi88

But I like jerks! So does my wife, that's why we got married.

i thought it was because she lost the bet?

/white smoke

259 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:31:46pm

re: #255 Guanxi88

But I like jerks! So does my wife, that's why we got married.

//Dear?

260 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:31:47pm

re: #256 kansas

avanti would be jealous of that.

i thought he'd just be next in line, what with his being a jack ass and all.....

261 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:32:00pm

re: #257 midwestgak

OT. The O'Reilly Factor pollster Frank Luntz is a sham. Luntz shows a graph of GOP and DEM responses to a message. And we are supposed to believe that the listener's responses can be measured and then charted? No votes mind you. No interviews mind you. Just a silly made up graph. IMHO.

He supposedly has em hooked up to a meter. He may be a sham, I don't know about that.

262 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:32:08pm

re: #255 Guanxi88

Sorry, I had to. :)

263 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:32:13pm

re: #208 jcm

I always preferred Mary Ann......

Yes, and I identified with the Professor.
Looking at the couples on the island, we see
Mr and Mrs Howell
the Skipper and Gilligan
that left both Mary Ann and Ginger for the Professor.

264 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:32:36pm

OT: What's up with this?
Yahoo pic

President Barack Obama holds his hand to his heart during the playing of Taps, accompanied by National Medal of Honor recipients, Wednesday, March 25, 2009, during a ceremony for National Medal of Honor Day at the Tomb of The Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetery in Arlington, Va.

Aside from the obvious snarky answer about Obama paying respect to the soldiers.....can anyone spot what's wrong with this picture?

265 LGoPs  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:32:37pm

re: #249 kansas

For those that don't know, in a red state this shit got us a Democrat governor, a lieutenant governor who was the Republican chairman of the party in my county who changed to Democrat, and an attorney general who was the Republican DA in my county who changed to Democrat, and lots of other former Republicans who had up to here with creationist bullshit. Well, that and the abortion issue.

I'm not disagreeing with you but it would be nice if people got as worked up about the curriculum being dumbed down to the point where we're turning out functional illiterates, in many cases.......

266 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:33:13pm

re: #254 Zimriel

I've argued that decisions about science should be taken away from voters, and assigned to a separate branch of the state which is selected by their peers instead - the judicial branch. So IDers could say what they want; but what they say should have no influence on research, textbooks, or educational standards.

That's not only wrong, it's unconstitutional. You would have our technology decisions made by the philosopher kings, or technocrats, exactly what the Dems want.

267 brookly red  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:33:17pm

re: #254 Zimriel

They have every right, but their votes shouldn't count.

They have every right, but their votes shouldn't count. ? WTF?

268 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:33:23pm

re: #258 redc1c4

i thought it was because she lost the bet?

/white smoke

re: #259 Chicago Blonde

//Dear?

Hilarious. Maybe we're related?

269 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:33:34pm

re: #259 Chicago Blonde

//Dear?

Chicks Dig Jerks

270 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:33:39pm

re: #249 kansas

For those that don't know, in a red state this shit got us a Democrat governor, a lieutenant governor who was the Republican chairman of the party in my county who changed to Democrat, and an attorney general who was the Republican DA in my county who changed to Democrat, and lots of other former Republicans who had up to here with creationist bullshit. Well, that and the abortion issue.

In a sense, I think it's like the socialists on the left who keep trying the same failed policies thinking, "well, the socialism will work this time because we're going to try it a different way". The right doesn't want to learn the lessons of Kansas- they keep plugging along, thinking this attempt is different and it will work.

I am again reminded of Thomas Sowell's Conflict of Visions. There is two mindsets, constrained and unconstrained, and you can find them in both political parties. The creationists are our unconstrained albatrosses.

271 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:34:06pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

That he is the POTUS?
/

272 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:34:14pm

re: #265 LGoPs

I think you and I talked about the woeful state of history being taught, didn't we? Appalling.

273 midwestgak  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:34:17pm

re: #261 kansas

He supposedly has em hooked up to a meter. He may be a sham, I don't know about that.

Okay, what meter could you be hooked up to that could measure your thoughts without a word coming out of your mouth?

274 lobo91  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:34:18pm

re: #257 midwestgak

OT. The O'Reilly Factor pollster Frank Luntz is a sham. Luntz shows a graph of GOP and DEM responses to a message. And we are supposed to believe that the listener's responses can be measured and then charted? No votes mind you. No interviews mind you. Just a silly made up graph. IMHO.

That graph was the second-by-second response of a focus group to Obama's press conference.

There were a bunch of people in a room with controls in their hands that have dials on them that they turn to register their response in real time. It has nothing to do with poll responses.

275 snowcrash  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:34:29pm

re: #257 midwestgak
His focus group gets a small box with a dial that the group turns up or down depending on how strongly they agree or disagree with statements in the speech. He has been doing this a long time. I get a lot of crap for being a fangrrl.

276 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:34:31pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

OT: What's up with this?
Yahoo pic

Aside from the obvious snarky answer about Obama paying respect to the soldiers.....can anyone spot what's wrong with this picture?

He should be saluting as Commander in Chief.

277 albusteve  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:35:18pm

re: #243 FrogMarch

Texas kicks ass.
Some great towns like San Antonio and Austin. Great music in Austin. Houston saved my life once. True story.

SpaceJesus on the other hand, sucks donkey D.

don't forget Gruene!....Gruene Hall is a killer music venue

278 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:35:18pm

Ok so if we lose in Texas, maybe in the long run we will win. Hopefully it will end up in the lap of the Supremes.

cutting losses, if they occur...

279 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:35:28pm

re: #276 Thanos

Hint. it's not a question of protocol. There's something wrong with the picture.

280 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:35:30pm

re: #276 Thanos

He should be saluting as Commander in Chief.

what he said

281 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:35:32pm

Wouldn't vouchers pretty much make this issue mute.

(yes I said mute and not moot because someone today in a meeting used mute and I so wanted to correct them.)

282 alegrias  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:35:34pm

re: #197 nyc redneck

mark levin is as good as it gets.
the jerk calling in was all abt. throwing him off his game.
mark slammed the guy. he was not going to be put on the defensive.
he refused to take the bait. he was not going to sell out the i.d. people.
i felt it was on principle because the caller was an ass hole

after the break mark came back to say, i.d is nothing compared to the destruction the left is doing to our country.
and he said, if the guy had been a decent person he would have had a conversation w/ him.
that's my take from what i heard.
there's no way mark goes under the bus, for me, based on that little interaction.

* * * *
Amen. Levin loves and knows the Constitution and appreciates what makes America unique in the world.

We must keep priorities straight, and remember what is urgent
job number one, at least for some of us.

Tossing leftist bums from Congress in 2010 is my highest priority.

283 Lee Coller  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:35:37pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

OT: What's up with this?
Yahoo pic

Aside from the obvious snarky answer about Obama paying respect to the soldiers.....can anyone spot what's wrong with this picture?

Long exposure where the one to the left of POTUS moved suddenly?

284 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:35:42pm

re: #276 Thanos

He should be saluting as Commander in Chief.

Maybe he had his blackberry on vibrate and didn't want to miss a text?

285 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:35:42pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

OT: What's up with this?
Yahoo pic

Aside from the obvious snarky answer about Obama paying respect to the soldiers.....can anyone spot what's wrong with this picture?

that he's the CinC?

his hands awfully low for the heat: looks more like it's over his spleen.

286 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:35:49pm
287 Racer X  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:35:56pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

OT: What's up with this?
Yahoo pic

Aside from the obvious snarky answer about Obama paying respect to the soldiers.....can anyone spot what's wrong with this picture?


Yes.

Obama is wearing high heels.

Dude is not that tall.

288 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:36:15pm

re: #250 Walter L. Newton

That's not very nice. What do you have against donkey's?

LOL.

289 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:36:36pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

OT: What's up with this?
Yahoo pic

Aside from the obvious snarky answer about Obama paying respect to the soldiers.....can anyone spot what's wrong with this picture?

Why does the fellow to 0bama's left have two hands?

FAUX

290 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:36:37pm

re: #268 Guanxi88

You come from a clan of snarky Scots? :)
re: #269
redc1c4

I've seen this with my own eyes, but no, I don't understand it.

291 avanti  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:36:40pm

re: #257 midwestgak

OT. The O'Reilly Factor pollster Frank Luntz is a sham. Luntz shows a graph of GOP and DEM responses to a message. And we are supposed to believe that the listener's responses can be measured and then charted? No votes mind you. No interviews mind you. Just a silly made up graph. IMHO.

Each person in the group has a little box with a knob they can turn up or down as they watch to track how much they like or dislike what they are watching.That all feeds into the computer that graphs the chart. It's a device commonly used in focus groups.

292 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:36:43pm

re: #277 albusteve

don't forget Gruene!....Gruene Hall is a killer music venue

Now that's a nice little town there. My wife has spent many a day and many a dollar there; the in-laws insist on going there every time they come visit

293 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:36:50pm

re: #266 Thanos

That's not only wrong, it's unconstitutional.

No: it's right because it's unconstitutional. The Constitution wasn't written by prophets, you know.

The Constitution didn't predict that science would throw back the limits of ignorance to this extent. It created an opening where unfalsifiable doctrine could be forced into classrooms as long as it didn't mention the word with a capital G. Guess what; now the creationists are exploiting this loophole. I propose to close it.

You would have our technology decisions made by the philosopher kings, or technocrats, exactly what the Dems want.

The Dems are right about technology. That's why they're winning and you're not.

294 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:37:16pm

re: #283 Lee Coller

Long exposure where the one to the left of POTUS moved suddenly?

No- there are two men there, but it does look like an extra hand. Look behind the gentleman's head and you'll see another ear.

295 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:37:26pm

re: #265 LGoPs

I'm not disagreeing with you but it would be nice if people got as worked up about the curriculum being dumbed down to the point where we're turning out functional illiterates, in many cases.......



I was jus saying a lot of Republicans just said they were sick of creationists and pro-lifers, so they quit the party. I was a teacher back in the day. My simple observation is that education is watered down. If my kids and grandkids come home with one more fucking worksheet that the teacher doesn't even look at I'm gonna go postal.

296 BlueCanuck  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:37:35pm

re: #289 Bloodnok

Why does the fellow to 0bama's left have two hands?

FAUX

If you look closely there are two people between Obama and the officer. So that's not it.

297 brookly red  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:37:47pm

re: #250 Walter L. Newton

That's not very nice. What do you have against donkey's?

/their politics.

298 Salem  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:37:47pm

re: #48 guitarguy

For what it’s worth, Mark Levin just tore a new one on a caller to his radio show. The caller commented on LA Governor Bobby Jindal allowing creationism/ID to be taught in schools.

Levin basically went on a semi rant about how all sides should be expressed in the classroom:

“What’s wrong with that? You gotta problem with that?”

The caller explained that he felt creationism should not be taught in a science class, and Levin went after him.

“Ehhh, don’t give me that crap about science class! You don’t get to say what should and shouldn’t be taught! I get to say it! You know what shouldn’t be taught? Bi-lingual-ism! And that global warming crap! THAT’s what shouldn’t be allowed in our schools!”

Levin’s an intelligent guy, but his attitude was a real turn-off. But I shouldn’t have been surprised. This is the same man who wrote lovingly about his deceased pet dog, ‘Sprite’. Yet he mocked and ridiculed Michael Savage’s love and affection for his own dog.

Bummer. Everyone who is fighting Obama with the most intensity are throwing it all away on this issue. They might as well be part of his cabinet. The Republicans have had it. The country is going to be plucked by the socialists like a cluster of grapes all because these guys insist that everyone's children are instilled with their ignorance. Worse yet, they're opening the door and letting radical Islam right in. Levin's defense of the Constitution has become meaningless.

299 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:37:50pm

re: #283 Lee Coller

Long exposure where the one to the left of POTUS moved suddenly?


Yeah, it looks like he has two right hands. Is that an exposure problem? It looks like some sort of digital error. Normally I'd suspect photoshop but I can't imagine why they'd have to photoshop that one.

300 screaming_eagle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:37:53pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

As President he's commander in chief. Should salute like the guy in uniform.

301 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:38:08pm

re: #277 albusteve

don't forget Gruene!....Gruene Hall is a killer music venue


Never heard of it, but I will take your word!

302 lobo91  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:38:13pm

re: #276 Thanos

He should be saluting as Commander in Chief.

No, he should not.

He's not a member of the military, nor is he in uniform.

I guarantee you that if you dig up pictures of any previous presidents in a similar situation, you'll see exactly the same pose.

303 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:38:30pm

re: #289 Bloodnok

Why does the fellow to 0bama's left have two hands?

FAUX

I thought that too at first, but it's the hand of a guy who's leaning back a bit. You can see his ear behind the dracula guy.

304 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:38:33pm

re: #299 Killgore Trout

No- there's another man there. You can see his ear and hair.

305 LGoPs  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:38:34pm

re: #272 Chicago Blonde

I think you and I talked about the woeful state of history being taught, didn't we? Appalling.

Yes. I'm cynical but I think it's by design. By the Progressives (code word for Communist) that have been in control of Education for a couple of generations now. And I think that Obama is the first real payoff. Easy to get elected when you don't get asked uncomfortable questions like 'Wasn't this tried in the Soviet Union before?". Of course the occasional Joe the Plumber will slip thru the cracks but the brownshirts and their media accomplices can take care of a few of them.
The rest of the sheep go merrily skipping down the hopeychangey road to Utopia........

306 redc1c4  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:38:41pm

re: #289 Bloodnok

Why does the fellow to 0bama's left have two hands?

FAUX

there's another person behind the old guy... you can see the head behid his.

i agree, Ear Leader isn't that tall.

307 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:38:49pm

re: #291 avanti

Each person in the group has a little box with a knob they can turn up or down as they watch to track how much they like or dislike what they are watching.That all feeds into the computer that graphs the chart. It's a device commonly used in focus groups.

And it's based purely on emotion.

308 Lee Coller  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:38:51pm

re: #283 Lee Coller

Long exposure where the one to the left of POTUS moved suddenly?

Taking a closer look, there's actually another guy behind the guy on Obama's left where you can barely make out a sliver of his head, that's the second hand you are seeing. Obviously a long telephoto that make it look like the two hands are on top of each other.

309 alegrias  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:38:54pm

re: #236 LGoPs

IIRC, I remember a picture of St George fighting a Dragon from when I was a kid........

* * * *
Well leftists demanded such ancient images--stained glass or statuary-- be removed from thousand year old cathedrals in Spain so as not to offend today's moslems.

310 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:39:05pm

re: #303 Thanos

I thought that too at first, but it's the hand of a guy who's leaning back a bit. You can see his ear behind the dracula guy.

Ah. Ear he is. I've found him.

311 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:39:10pm

re: #290 Chicago Blonde

You come from a clan of snarky Scots? :)
re: #269
redc1c4

I've seen this with my own eyes, but no, I don't understand it.

Not Scots, a little further east, as it were.

My wife and her folk just don't seem to get my humor. 'Course, my family and I were always ribbing each other - she thinks we're mean, for the way we carry on, but she thinks we're downright evil on those occasions when we just think we're being mean or setting folks straight.

312 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:39:19pm

re: #294 Sharmuta

I think that ear is on someone else's head.

313 Ceemack  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:39:24pm

re: #163 jcm

Geez, who would you rather be marooned on a desert island with.
Ginger or the Professor.........

No brainer if you ask me.....

;-P


But I'd prefer having the Professor set my kids' science curriculum, thank you...that also seems like a no-brainer.

As for being stuck on the island, I'd much prefer Mary Ann.

314 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:39:48pm

Also, Barack correctly placed hand over heart. President Bush also places hand over heart during Taps at Arlington, he doesn't salute.

315 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:39:51pm

re: #273 midwestgak

Okay, what meter could you be hooked up to that could measure your thoughts without a word coming out of your mouth?

It's a dial they turn, you know, are you disagreeing or agreeing, or does this make your leg tingle or not. That kind of thing. What was that audience participation show where they did something like that. Anyway, that's where the graph supposedly comes from.

316 Lee Coller  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:40:06pm

re: #299 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it looks like he has two right hands. Is that an exposure problem? It looks like some sort of digital error. Normally I'd suspect photoshop but I can't imagine why they'd have to photoshop that one.

See my 308 above.

317 loppyd  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:40:07pm

Mandy

Dennis Miller just gave a shout out to our crush.

"Tap tap goes the chisel"

318 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:40:25pm

re: #304 Sharmuta

No- there's another man there. You can see his ear and hair.


Ah, ok, I see what you're seeing now. I think you're right.

319 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:40:38pm

re: #295 kansas

I was jus saying a lot of Republicans just said they were sick of creationists and pro-lifers, so they quit the party. I was a teacher back in the day. My simple observation is that education is watered down. If my kids and grandkids come home with one more fucking worksheet that the teacher doesn't even look at I'm gonna go postal.

Death by Worksheet. I'm homeschooling my 13 year old son, and he's making impressive progress. And he's not being indoctrinated with go-play-in-traffic-but- be-safe sex ed. (The school counselor proudly told me that she explains all about blow jobs to the 8th graders in a mixed class session. )

320 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:41:01pm

re: #316 Lee Coller

That's it. Mystery solved.

321 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:41:06pm

re: #48 guitarguy

For what it’s worth, Mark Levin just tore a new one on a caller to his radio show. The caller commented on LA Governor Bobby Jindal allowing creationism/ID to be taught in schools.

Levin basically went on a semi rant about how all sides should be expressed in the classroom:

“What’s wrong with that? You gotta problem with that?”

The caller explained that he felt creationism should not be taught in a science class, and Levin went after him.

“Ehhh, don’t give me that crap about science class! You don’t get to say what should and shouldn’t be taught! I get to say it! You know what shouldn’t be taught? Bi-lingual-ism! And that global warming crap! THAT’s what shouldn’t be allowed in our schools!”

Levin’s an intelligent guy, but his attitude was a real turn-off. But I shouldn’t have been surprised. This is the same man who wrote lovingly about his deceased pet dog, ‘Sprite’. Yet he mocked and ridiculed Michael Savage’s love and affection for his own dog.

Levin is spot on about just about everything, but he should lay off of Savage as it makes him appear petty.

322 albusteve  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:41:23pm

re: #292 Guanxi88

Now that's a nice little town there. My wife has spent many a day and many a dollar there; the in-laws insist on going there every time they come visit

the only part of Texas I know....Dallas down to San Antonio

323 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:41:29pm
324 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:41:30pm

re: #311 Guanxi88

Mr. Blonde and I are both compatibly warped. Both our families just shake their heads...

325 lobo91  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:41:51pm

re: #307 pink freud

And it's based purely on emotion.

So are the votes of about 90% of Americans.

So what's your point?

326 Salem  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:42:00pm

re: #56 Sharmuta

As was the case in Dover, I'm stunned a school board would not listen to the teachers and the other knowledgeable people brought in to form the standards. It really shows that the agenda trumps reason for them to ignore those who know the most about the subject being taught.

I suppose they expect to get an extra kush deal in heaven out of it. So nothing on this earth can restrain their fervor.

327 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:42:02pm

re: #318 Killgore Trout

Ah, ok, I see what you're seeing now. I think you're right.

Yes, one guy's leaning forward the other leaning back, which creates the illusion. It was probably taken through a telphoto lens as well which could have enhanced the illusion.

328 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:42:09pm

Nothing wrong with this pic. Don't ask, don't tell.

329 avanti  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:42:22pm

re: #307 pink freud

And it's based purely on emotion.

Yep, tingle meter. :)

330 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:42:22pm

re: #84 USBeast

Heavenly Father, the minions of deception are at work amongst us. They work to deceive us as to the truth You make manifest in your Creation. They seek to confine Your Majesty to the ancient texts of human writers and defy all attempts to understand the message you have imprinted on Your Universe and, especially on this Earth. They seek to confine You to their narrow interpretations and refuse to admit that You and Your Creation are far grander than their feeble understanding can allow.

Help us confound these, the deceived and the deceiving. Help us teach our children to understand Your Creation as You Created it by studying that Creation with the minds you gave them. Let them experience the wonders of Your World and, as Your children, grow in wisdom. This we pray.

Amen.

331 DEZes  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:42:27pm

Im out later all.

332 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:42:40pm

re: #328 Killgore Trout

Nothing wrong with this pic. Don't ask, don't tell.

LOL

333 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:42:45pm

re: #328 Killgore Trout

Nothing wrong with this pic. Don't ask, don't tell.

That is classic.

334 brookly red  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:42:52pm

re: #319 DistantThunder

Death by Worksheet. I'm homeschooling my 13 year old son, and he's making impressive progress. And he's not being indoctrinated with go-play-in-traffic-but- be-safe sex ed. (The school counselor proudly told me that she explains all about blow jobs to the 8th graders in a mixed class session. )

uhhh, is that not a felony?

335 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:43:13pm

re: #325 lobo91

So are the votes of about 90% of Americans.

So what's your point?

You made it for me.

336 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:43:14pm

I'm seeing a depressing number of right-wing bloggers who are now linking to a stupid bogus report from infowars.com about "Obama youth".

Infowars.com is Alex Jones.

What the hell is going on? Suddenly we're supposed to take the word of the most insane 9/11 truther and conspiracy pimp on the internet?

This is really sad.

337 LGoPs  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:43:16pm

re: #331 DEZes

Im out later all.

See ya....
:)

338 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:43:27pm

re: #334 brookly red

uhhh, is that not a felony?

Only the demonstration is, silly.

339 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:43:31pm

re: #331 DEZes

Im out later all.

You can't leave without an upding lizard..
weet dreams

340 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:43:39pm

re: #328 Killgore Trout

Nothing wrong with this pic. Don't ask, don't tell.


For Greek Independence Day, no less.

341 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:43:41pm

re: #321 Harry Tuttle

Levin is spot on about just about everything, but he should lay off of Savage as it makes him appear petty.

To be fair Savage could lay off the vitriole as it makes him appear dumb.

342 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:43:58pm
3:42 p.m. - Josh Rosenau of the National Center for Science Education urged the Board to reject the claims of Creationists to add S&W back to the science standards. He also asked them to reject the unscientific amendments made in January to the standards and revert to the original language. Then he presented an inch-thick collection of statements and letters from national and state science associations that support these requests. Perhaps the most important letter was from the American Association for the Advancement of Science which had signatures of dozens of the top scientists in Texas, including some Noble Laureates.

Hmmm- Noble Laureates or a beauty queen. Noble Laureates or a beauty queen...

That's a tough one. ////

343 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:44:00pm

re: #319 DistantThunder

Death by Worksheet. I'm homeschooling my 13 year old son, and he's making impressive progress. And he's not being indoctrinated with go-play-in-traffic-but- be-safe sex ed. (The school counselor proudly told me that she explains all about blow jobs to the 8th graders in a mixed class session. )

Thank you. That's a good way to put it. And good for you and homeschooling. And I think the school counselor should be fired. The moron.

344 Lee Coller  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:44:01pm

re: #320 Killgore Trout

Also, on those MOH pictures, AP calls them "winners." Damn media, you don't "win" the Medal of Honor, you earn it.

345 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:44:03pm

re: #248 Chicago Blonde

That's 2 for 2.
/You're scaring me...

:-)

346 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:44:03pm

re: #327 Thanos

Yup. A different angle shows everything in the same place.

347 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:44:09pm

I wasn't attempting to contradict your post, and I did not change shit, friend. Here are the two posts:

re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth

That is the way rational people see it, as a disagreement. The pushers of creationism, however, more likely than not see this as a spiritual war.

re: #199 Slumbering Behemoth

Look, I like you IR, but don't fucking put words in my mouth. I did not say any of that.

I simply said that it's not beyond reason to assume that many of them see it as a spiritual war. Spiritual.

Spiritual Warfare.

And I still do not appreciate you fucking putting words in my mouth.

348 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:44:10pm

re: #323 buzzsawmonkey

Does she give a blow-by-blow description?

A Big fat elderly woman - I'm sure it's captivating. It's just grossly inappropriate. There is more and more sex ed curriculum on the web that students could access. My son has to do a series of math exercises every night at a site called Study Island which forwards the results to the teacher. I think that would be a very appropriate method of teaching sex ed as well.

349 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:44:11pm

re: #336 Charles

I'm seeing a depressing number of right-wing bloggers who are now linking to a stupid bogus report from infowars.com about "Obama youth".

Infowars.com is Alex Jones.

What the hell is going on? Suddenly we're supposed to take the word of the most insane 9/11 truther and conspiracy pimp on the internet?

This is really sad.

Fox News contributor, Alex Jones

350 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:44:15pm

re: #336 Charles

I'm seeing a depressing number of right-wing bloggers who are now linking to a stupid bogus report from infowars.com about "Obama youth".

Infowars.com is Alex Jones.

What the hell is going on? Suddenly we're supposed to take the word of the most insane 9/11 truther and conspiracy pimp on the internet?

This is really sad.

Yeah I was going to email that to you earlier but figured you would be aware.

351 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:44:32pm

re: #267 brookly red

WTF?

You read me right. Creationist votes concerning science shouldn't count.

Science, like a court of law, has an objective value beyond the whims of an electorate. The voters aren't, as a group, smart enough to judge objective facts. This isn't their fault, and even smart people can make mistakes; but that is why some decisions, concerning the implications of law, are abstracted away from them.

You may be aware that the Founding Fathers were no fans of democracy; they preferred a feudal, or Roman Republican, model which pitted factions against one another. Right now our system is too democratic, and is failing to preserve our liberties.

I suppose you think courtrooms should be run as democracies too. When they nab a suspect, why wait for a deliberative verdict? He's a bad guy with some priors. Get a rope! 67% of the town can't all be wrong...

352 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:44:42pm

re: #336 Charles

I'm seeing a depressing number of right-wing bloggers who are now linking to a stupid bogus report from infowars.com about "Obama youth".

Infowars.com is Alex Jones.

What the hell is going on? Suddenly we're supposed to take the word of the most insane 9/11 truther and conspiracy pimp on the internet?

This is really sad.

It's the chemtrails controlling their minds.

353 Aviator  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:44:44pm

re: #307 pink freud

And it's based purely on emotion.

Well that and the electric shocks to their scrotums.

354 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:44:51pm

re: #324 Chicago Blonde

Mr. Blonde and I are both compatibly warped. Both our families just shake their heads...

And I bet you've got an iron-strong relationship. It's often the way.

355 Lee Coller  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:45:01pm

re: #344 Lee Coller

Also, on those MOH pictures, AP calls them "winners." Damn media, you don't "win" the Medal of Honor, you earn it.

Correction, that's Reuters, not AP.

356 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:45:07pm

re: #264 Killgore Trout

OT: What's up with this?
Yahoo pic

Aside from the obvious snarky answer about Obama paying respect to the soldiers.....can anyone spot what's wrong with this picture?

Obama is dwarfed by the old guys in every way.

357 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:45:13pm

re: #289 Bloodnok

Holy crap! Nice catch.

358 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:45:13pm
359 screaming_eagle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:45:13pm

re: #336 Charles

"Obama youth" the volunteer thing?

360 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:45:17pm

re: #346 Killgore Trout

Yup. A different angle shows everything in the same place.

It also helps that the portly guy has large hands and the elder guy has smaller hands.

361 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:45:47pm
362 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:45:55pm

re: #357 Slumbering Behemoth

Holy crap! Nice catch.

Read on. I was incorrect.

363 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:46:11pm

re: #323 buzzsawmonkey

Does she give a blow-by-blow description?

SMACK!

364 midwestgak  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:46:15pm

re: #315 kansas

Thanks {kansas} (if I may be so bold as to give you a hug)

365 nyc redneck  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:46:18pm

re: #282 alegrias

* * * *
Amen. Levin loves and knows the Constitution and appreciates what makes America unique in the world.

We must keep priorities straight, and remember what is urgent
job number one, at least for some of us.

Tossing leftist bums from Congress in 2010 is my highest priority.

he has sold 500,000 books in just a few days. i'm really looking forward to reading it. i wanted to go to the signing on long island but i couldn't. my friend went and said the line went on for blocks and blocks.
6000 people.
i did meet him in nyack at his signing for 'men in black'.
i also have 'rescuing sprite', which i haven't read yet because i know i'll cry.

he is doing such good work. his show now has an extra hour and 1000's of stations across the country.
his goal too, is 'tossing leftist bums from congress in 2010.'

366 albusteve  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:46:18pm

re: #349 Wishing

Fox News contributor, Alex Jones

FOX blows chunks...they all do...whats the point of all the hairsplitting and teeth knashing?...chunks is chunks

367 Salamantis  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:46:23pm

re: #34 sinsremoved

I was listening to Mark Levin and he just punished a militant evolutionist caller who had a problem with Bobby Jindal trying to have creation taught along with evolution.
Mark didn't say which side he was on but he is clearly fed up with this pointless debate. He is totally in favor of teaching both.

Creationism, for the umpteenth time, is religious dogma, not empirical science, and as such does NOT belong in public high school science class.

368 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:46:28pm

re: #340 wrenchwench

Lol.

369 rolltideroll  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:47:03pm

How does this ID stuff keep cropping up?It is not science, it's mysticism.What would be the test questions? I just don't understand how you could structure a class in ID and preserve the scientific method as a basis for logic.The proponents have magic to fall back on, and you can't out argue magic.

370 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:47:30pm

re: #348 DistantThunder

A Big fat elderly woman - I'm sure it's captivating. It's just grossly inappropriate. There is more and more sex ed curriculum on the web that students could access. My son has to do a series of math exercises every night at a site called Study Island which forwards the results to the teacher. I think that would be a very appropriate method of teaching sex ed as well.

"There is more and more sex ed curriculum on the web that students could access."

Not gonna touch that one.

:-)

371 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:47:35pm

re: #336 Charles

It's the wave of the future. I think we're going to have to get used to it.

372 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:48:00pm

re: #357 Slumbering Behemoth

Never mind.

373 snowcrash  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:48:08pm

re: #328 Killgore Trout
Is he blowing in Joes ear? A little slashy moment? lol.

374 albusteve  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:48:10pm

re: #365 nyc redneck

he has sold 500,000 books in just a few days. i'm really looking forward to reading it. i wanted to go to the signing on long island but i couldn't. my friend went and said the line went on for blocks and blocks.
6000 people.
i did meet him in nyack at his signing for 'men in black'.
i also have 'rescuing sprite', which i haven't read yet because i know i'll cry.

he is doing such good work. his show now has an extra hour and 1000's of stations across the country.
his goal too, is 'tossing leftist bums from congress in 2010.'

that should be every cons goal...one step at a time and the fight is in the House

375 lobo91  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:48:17pm

re: #365 nyc redneck

he has sold 500,000 books in just a few days. i'm really looking forward to reading it. i wanted to go to the signing on long island but i couldn't. my friend went and said the line went on for blocks and blocks.
6000 people.
i did meet him in nyack at his signing for 'men in black'.
i also have 'rescuing sprite', which i haven't read yet because i know i'll cry.

he is doing such good work. his show now has an extra hour and 1000's of stations across the country.
his goal too, is 'tossing leftist bums from congress in 2010.'

His show is on Sirius/XM, as well. All 3 hours.

376 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:48:29pm

re: #367 Salamantis

Creationism, for the umpteenth time, is religious dogma, not empirical science, and as such does NOT belong in public high school science class.

And Scripture, for the umpteenth time, is not some dusty science book! Scripture does NOT belong in science class, or grammar class or math class!

377 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:48:32pm

re: #336 Charles

I'm seeing a depressing number of right-wing bloggers who are now linking to a stupid bogus report from infowars.com about "Obama youth".

Infowars.com is Alex Jones.

What the hell is going on? Suddenly we're supposed to take the word of the most insane 9/11 truther and conspiracy pimp on the internet?

This is really sad.

I linked to a Gateway pundit story earlier today - I thought the heading was over the top - but the info didn't contain anything linking to infowars.

378 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:48:36pm

To those calling themselves Christians and pushing the lie about man and God, take note. You have forsaken Christ and faith for a wrong minded political agenda. Understand that by doing this, you have sewn the seeds for your own demise. You are doing a disservice to both Christianity and the patriotic conservative cause. Your funeral will be large and the fall of your house shall be great.

379 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:48:55pm

re: #324 Chicago Blonde

Mr. Blonde and I are both compatibly warped. Both our families just shake their heads...

My favorite line, from my mother's parents, of blessed memory.

I ask them, how they managed to stay together for as long as they did:

"Well," Pa said, "I wouldn't give her the satisfaction of leaving."

Ma said, "And I wouldn't dare inflict him on another woman."

They loved each other through the Great Depression (children of immigrants, both, growing up in coal country), WWII (where he went overseas and lost his brother, she lost her brother, too), Vietnam (lost their oldest son there), until she died of cancer in 1986. He passed in '99 or thereabouts, and wept for her every day of his life. No one I knew fought or loved like they did.

380 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:48:56pm

re: #358 Iron Fist

And that was sort of my point- religion is allowed in certain class curriculums because of the context, and it's appropriate. However- it's not when it comes to science. One of my favorite pieces I sung in HS:

Youtube Video
381 avanti  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:49:03pm

re: #336 Charles

I'm seeing a depressing number of right-wing bloggers who are now linking to a stupid bogus report from infowars.com about "Obama youth".

Infowars.com is Alex Jones.

What the hell is going on? Suddenly we're supposed to take the word of the most insane 9/11 truther and conspiracy pimp on the internet?

This is really sad.

It's human nature, look at the crazy crap the left came up with on Palin and Bush. Obama pisses off a lot of folks, and they want desperately to find dirt on him and aren't likely to do much fact checking.
This has to be one of the few blogs that calls out bull shit from both sides.

382 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:49:23pm

Does this mean the creationists would allow the Great Cobra Hindu creation myth?


Before time began there was no heaven, no earth and no space between. A vast dark ocean washed upon the shores of nothingness and licked the edges of night. A giant cobra floated on the waters. Asleep within its endless coils lay the Lord Vishnu. He was watched over by the mighty serpent. Everything was so peaceful and silent that Vishnu slept undisturbed by dreams or motion.

Vishnu
From the depths a humming sound began to tremble, Om. It grew and spread, filling the emptiness and throbbing with energy. The night had ended. Vishnu awoke. As the dawn began to break, from Vishnu's navel grew a magnificent lotus flower. In the middle of the blossom sat Vishnu's servant, Brahma. He awaited the Lord's command.

Vishnu spoke to his servant: 'It is time to begin.' Brahma bowed. Vishnu commanded: 'Create the world.'

383 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:49:33pm

re: #354 Guanxi88

And I bet you've got an iron-strong relationship. It's often the way.

Thanks. We enjoy each other's company. And snark. :)

384 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:49:46pm

re: #375 lobo91

His show is on Sirius/XM, as well. All 3 hours.

Easily downloaded to podcast as well.

[Link: www.marklevinshow.com...]

385 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:49:58pm

re: #369 rolltideroll

How does this ID stuff keep cropping up?It is not science, it's mysticism.What would be the test questions? I just don't understand how you could structure a class in ID and preserve the scientific method as a basis for logic.The proponents have magic to fall back on, and you can't out argue magic.

It a shame, using well meaning but naive religious people to back a political power grab under the guise of "freedom of thought" and "freedom of religion."

The Wedge Document outlines the strategy.

386 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:50:01pm

re: #336 Charles

I'm seeing a depressing number of right-wing bloggers who are now linking to a stupid bogus report from infowars.com about "Obama youth".

Infowars.com is Alex Jones.

What the hell is going on? Suddenly we're supposed to take the word of the most insane 9/11 truther and conspiracy pimp on the internet?

This is really sad.

People aren't thinking. They are falling prey to Obama Derangement Syndrome, letting their emotions overcome their judgment. We must avoid such pitfalls: BHO is indeed a commie bastard but we must remember to use care in structuring our attacks on him and make sure we're clubbing him with the truth club, not handing him the "GOP is Nuts" stick with whish to beat us.

387 vagabond trader  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:50:03pm

re: #303 Thanos

Referring to an elderly MoH recipient as a dracula guy? Classy.

388 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:50:21pm
389 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:50:23pm

re: #381 avanti

It's human nature, look at the crazy crap the left came up with on Palin and Bush. Obama pisses off a lot of folks, and they want desperately to find dirt on him and aren't likely to do much fact checking.
This has to be one of the few blogs that calls out bull shit from both sides.

Yes, and Sarah's still powerful, their latest foil against her is that she's involved with scientologists. They Phear the Sarah.

390 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:50:38pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

It's the wave of the future. I think we're going to have to get used to it.

And if you speak out about it, they call you names, vilify you, and smear you all over the internet.

391 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:50:41pm

Et tu, Gateway Pundit? He should know better, shouldn't he?

392 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:50:54pm

Charles- when I see a spinoff link where the source's source is World Nut Daily, I usually ding it down, tell them it's WND story and report it to you. Do you want us to report these bogus stories so you can delete them? I don't know what else to do to stop this insanity here.

393 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:51:25pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

It's the wave of the future. I think we're going to have to get used to it.

If we have to get used to that, then we're doomed.

394 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:51:47pm

re: #377 FrogMarch

I just checked the Gateway Pundit thread. It does have a link to infowars.

395 USBeast  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:52:00pm

re: #378 Kreuzueber Halbmond

To those calling themselves Christians and pushing the lie about man and God, take note. You have forsaken Christ and faith for a wrong minded political agenda. Understand that by doing this, you have sewn the seeds for your own demise. You are doing a disservice to both Christianity and the patriotic conservative cause. Your funeral will be large and the fall of your house shall be great.

Uh, clue me in please. Just which lie are we talking about?

396 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:52:05pm

re: #377 FrogMarch

I linked to a Gateway pundit story earlier today - I thought the heading was over the top - but the info didn't contain anything linking to infowars.

ACK! never mind. I just clicked on an older Gateway link to the same story - and they do. I will e-mail them and let them know this is a huge problem.

397 HelloDare  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:52:11pm

re: #382 DistantThunder

Does this mean the creationists would allow the Great Cobra Hindu creation myth?

Hey, what about the turtles?

398 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:52:30pm

re: #381 avanti

It's human nature, look at the crazy crap the left came up with on Palin and Bush. Obama pisses off a lot of folks, and they want desperately to find dirt on him and aren't likely to do much fact checking.
This has to be one of the few blogs that calls out bull shit from both sides.

Well stated.

But in truth the conspiracy nuts have been there for a very long time.

399 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:52:36pm

I just can't believe so many rightwingers who care about 9/11 would trust a troofer.

400 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:52:47pm

re: #391 Killgore Trout

Et tu, Gateway Pundit? He should know better, shouldn't he?

Yes.

401 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:52:49pm

re: #369 rolltideroll

How does this ID stuff keep cropping up?It is not science, it's mysticism.What would be the test questions? I just don't understand how you could structure a class in ID and preserve the scientific method as a basis for logic.The proponents have magic to fall back on, and you can't out argue magic.

Which is the problem with democracy: too many people prefer magic to real life. That wouldn't be too bad, if they were just electing beauty pageant winners, but their votes also write your kids' textbooks and raise your taxes.

I'm basking in Thanos's down ding right now. He got himself in quite the dudgeon, didn't he? How dare anyone propose a limit to Holy Democracy! If 55% voted for shari'a he might think it annoying, but "the People have spoken", and far be it for him to question the "horse sense" of the electorate. Maybe he could vote for the anti-shari'a ticket again in four years.

402 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:52:54pm

re: #381 avanti

It's human nature, look at the crazy crap the left came up with on Palin and Bush. Obama pisses off a lot of folks, and they want desperately to find dirt on him and aren't likely to do much fact checking.
This has to be one of the few blogs that calls out bull shit from both sides.

Good, well-balanced, post, avanti. Upding.

403 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:52:55pm

re: #384 Harry Tuttle

Easily downloaded to podcast as well.

[Link: www.marklevinshow.com...]

Levin streaming radio list.

Take your pick.

404 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:53:08pm

re: #336 Charles

I'm seeing a depressing number of right-wing bloggers who are now linking to a stupid bogus report from infowars.com about "Obama youth".

Infowars.com is Alex Jones.

What the hell is going on? Suddenly we're supposed to take the word of the most insane 9/11 truther and conspiracy pimp on the internet?

This is really sad.

It makes no sense for right-wingers to give that lunatic any credit. He is not conservative, and he is not on the side of republicans. He spewed his insane conspiracy crap at the Bush admin. as well.

405 The Other Les  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:53:36pm

Mr. Welch continues to add to the list:

1251. Even the rules disagree, my character can still drown.
1252. I cannot take the following as my favored enemies: Southpaws, Mother-in-law or Keynesian Economists.
1255. Splitting the atom at will is not an acceptable super power.
1256. ‘Ignore the metaplot’ is also not an acceptable super power.
1257. No, the answer to the problem is not to make a gatling gun out of bazookas.
1258. Can’t base my character off a smurf.
1259. Even if I could base my character off a smurf, Ghurka Smurf was not a real smurf.
1261. If the villain’s three room lair holds over one hundred brutes, can’t just tip off the Fire Marshal.
1263. Can’t blame it on my gun.
1264. Will not retrofit my Federation Starship with fuses.
1266. I will stop referring to my rogue as a freelance subterranean locksmith.
1267. The lockpicking kit must be more than a sawed off shotgun.
1269. Even if the guy I based my character off was famous for doing it, I can’t kill eight guys with one bullet.
1270. Weapon Focus: Nukes is not a real feat.
1272. My Paladin can be charged with sexual harassment if he doesn’t watch exactly where he lays on hands.
1275. Will not reanimate dead familiars just to keep them around for sentimental reasons.

We now return you to your scheduled reality.
_

406 LGoPs  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:53:45pm

I need to make like a shepherd and get the flock out of here. See ya later lizards.

407 mfarmer1  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:53:50pm

The sooner the showdown happens between primarily fiscal conservatives and their counterpart religious conservatives in the GOP the better. Let's get this over with already. 20 paces. I'm not sticking around much longer with a party that is self destructing trying to cater to both.

408 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:54:00pm

re: #390 Charles

It's also difficult to tell who's making an honest mistake, who's being careless and who's gone to the dark side. I'm suspicious of everything and everybody these days. My trust is in very short supply.

409 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:54:01pm

re: #392 Sharmuta

Charles- when I see a spinoff link where the source's source is World Nut Daily, I usually ding it down, tell them it's WND story and report it to you. Do you want us to report these bogus stories so you can delete them? I don't know what else to do to stop this insanity here.

Yes, please continue to report them when you see them.

410 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:54:10pm

re: #379 Guanxi88

That's amazing. I had a lump in my throat.
My parents stayed together through thick and thin too.

411 lobo91  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:54:16pm

re: #351 Zimriel

You read me right. Creationist votes concerning science shouldn't count.

Science, like a court of law, has an objective value beyond the whims of an electorate. The voters aren't, as a group, smart enough to judge objective facts. This isn't their fault, and even smart people can make mistakes; but that is why some decisions, concerning the implications of law, are abstracted away from them.

You may be aware that the Founding Fathers were no fans of democracy; they preferred a feudal, or Roman Republican, model which pitted factions against one another. Right now our system is too democratic, and is failing to preserve our liberties.

I suppose you think courtrooms should be run as democracies too. When they nab a suspect, why wait for a deliberative verdict? He's a bad guy with some priors. Get a rope! 67% of the town can't all be wrong...

The courts should never make policy decisions. Ever.

It's not their job.

Policy (including science and technology policy) belongs to the elected branches.

412 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:54:45pm

re: #387 vagabond trader

Referring to an elderly MoH recipient as a dracula guy? Classy.

Yes, I felt bad about that after I read the sidebar. I thought it was an Obama crony, so please accept my apology.

413 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:55:17pm

re: #410 Chicago Blonde

That's amazing. I had a lump in my throat.
My parents stayed together through thick and thin too.

Tears in my eyes as I typed it.

414 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:55:50pm

re: #409 Charles

The one about banning backyard gardens was so over-the-top I couldn't believe anyone gave it a second of credence.

415 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:56:05pm

re: #399 Sharmuta

I just can't believe so many rightwingers who care about 9/11 would trust a troofer.

The reason is ODS. The people drinking Alex Jones' Kool Aid (which will be as politically lethal as Jim Jones' Kool Aid was physically lethal) aren't thinking past "I hate Obama."

416 Shug  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:56:21pm

Alex Jones is Is IMO, Clinically Insane.

any conservative who even uses the Words Alex Jones in a sentence, other than in a sentence saying that Alex Jones is insane is a fracking fool ( or themselves insane)

Does the GOP have a suicide pact?

Can we get the lunatics out of the conservative movement?

417 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:56:48pm

re: #382 DistantThunder

That's a good point - whose beliefs get shared?

/Or whose can of worms gets opened?

418 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:56:50pm

An Economist article says groups consistently make better decisions than individuals ONLY IF each individual researches the information for himself and doesn't succumb to group think.
Maybe this is the great shaking out process that will reveal that most Republicans do not understand the issue of teaching creationism in the science classroom.

I didn't fully understand the implications because on the surface it can seem rather harmless, more like a tolerance issues - but it's quite dangerous. Light is a great sanitizer.

419 screaming_eagle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:57:28pm

re: #414 Sharmuta

The one about banning backyard gardens was so over-the-top I couldn't believe anyone gave it a second of credence.

LMAO. I almost want to read that one. Could use a good laugh.

420 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:57:43pm

re: #416 Shug

Alex Jones is Is IMO, Clinically Insane.

any conservative who even uses the Words Alex Jones in a sentence, other than in a sentence saying that Alex Jones is insane is a fracking fool ( or themselves insane)

Does the GOP have a suicide pact?

Can we get the lunatics out of the conservative movement?

We need to state conservative values plainly, get them in platform, form and allow NO religious stuff in there at all!

421 brookly red  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:57:47pm

re: #351 Zimriel

You read me right. Creationist votes concerning science shouldn't count.

"The voters aren't, as a group, smart enough to judge objective facts.' ?

Die Wähler aren' t, wie Gruppe, intelligent genug objektive Tatsachen beurteilen.?

yes I hear you very clearly...

422 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:58:25pm

re: #415 Dark_Falcon

The reason is ODS. The people drinking Alex Jones' Kool Aid (which will be as politically lethal as Jim Jones' Kool Aid was physically lethal) aren't thinking past "I hate Obama."

Great post. I don't want to sound the way the crazed Bush-bashers sound to us.

423 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:58:58pm

re: #416 Shug

Alex Jones is Is IMO, Clinically Insane.

any conservative who even uses the Words Alex Jones in a sentence, other than in a sentence saying that Alex Jones is insane is a fracking fool ( or themselves insane)

Does the GOP have a suicide pact?

Can we get the lunatics out of the conservative movement?

Yes, yes he is. I know his acupuncturist here in Austin (don't ask!) and yeah, they guy's brilliant, has an amazing gift for making connections, and is completely unhinged.

424 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:59:05pm

re: #420 Wishing

We need to state conservative values plainly, get them in platform, form and allow NO religious stuff in there at all!

Limited government.

Strong national defense.

Done.

425 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 5:59:59pm

re: #419 screaming_eagle

You can find it at world nut daily.

426 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:00:41pm

re: #411 lobo91

The courts should never make policy decisions. Ever.

It's not their job.

Policy (including science and technology policy) belongs to the elected branches.

Oh - "policy". My apologies. I was vague when I said "decisions". I was not referring to policy decisions - but to decisions on standards.

Scientific findings are not subject to voters anyway. No-one can take a paper about DNA, wave it before Congress, and demand it be un-published. They can however demand it not be taught. That's a design flaw in the Constitution.

And I wouldn't put this onus on the courts, but in a parallel system of state-recognised "science courts", elected by other scientists.

427 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:00:54pm

re: #422 Chicago Blonde

Great post. I don't want to sound the way the crazed Bush-bashers sound to us.

The slightest criticisim sounds like blasphemy to them. The truth is like sunlight on sunburn and they howl no matter how tepid the slight.

428 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:00:58pm

re: #418 DistantThunder

An Economist article says groups consistently make better decisions than individuals ONLY IF each individual researches the information for himself and doesn't succumb to group think.
Maybe this is the great shaking out process that will reveal that most Republicans do not understand the issue of teaching creationism in the science classroom.

I didn't fully understand the implications because on the surface it can seem rather harmless, more like a tolerance issues - but it's quite dangerous. Light is a great sanitizer.

In the Asch conformity experiments, people frequently followed the majority judgment, even when the majority was wrong.

429 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:01:00pm

re: #424 Harry Tuttle

Limited government.

Strong national defense.

Done.

WHAT?

No unicorn?
////

430 Shug  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:01:21pm

re: #427 DistantThunder

The slightest criticisim sounds like blasphemy to them. The truth is like sunlight on sunburn and they howl no matter how tepid the slight.

I thought Dissent was patriotic?
/

431 hazzyday  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:01:28pm

re: #358 Iron Fist

You can't teach music and not teach Bach, and you can't teach Bach without somehow dealing with religion. He considered music to be a form of worship in general, and most of his music was explicitly religious. Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring is probably the most recognized song of any form in Western Civilization, and that is but one of Bach's many masterworks.

And even Bach is just one (extremely prolific) composer. Until the mid to late ninteenth century music was largely religious in nature, at least in Western culture.

Music in Bali is still 100 percent religiously themed.

432 nyc redneck  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:01:42pm

re: #428 pink freud

In the Asch conformity experiments, people frequently followed the majority judgment, even when the majority was wrong.

sheeple.

433 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:01:51pm

re: #422 Chicago Blonde

Great post. I don't want to sound the way the crazed Bush-bashers sound to us.

Nor do I. I despise Obama and seek to thwart his plans, but that can only be done if we keep our arguments within the limits of truth (not troof) and sanity. If we start talking crazy, the MSM will use that crazy talk to make us unacceptable to the voters next year.

434 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:01:57pm

re: #421 brookly red

[google-translated German

Yay! I got Godwin'ed!

435 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:02:03pm

re: #428 pink freud

In the Asch conformity experiments, people frequently followed the majority judgment, even when the majority was wrong.

That's the groupthink.

436 BignJames  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:02:38pm

re: #429 jcm

WHAT?

No unicorn?
////

No unicorn.....$13

437 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:02:39pm

re: #428 pink freud

In the Asch conformity experiments, people frequently followed the majority judgment, even when the majority was wrong.

Thinking independently is teh hard.

438 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:02:51pm

re: #424 Harry Tuttle

Limited government.

Strong national defense.

Done.

Individual liberty, personal responsibility. Now get that into THE REPUBLICAN PLATFORM. one size fits all, no abortion stuff, no creationism/ID stuff, and we have a CHANCE of enlarging the tent.

439 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:02:57pm

re: #429 jcm

WHAT?

No unicorn?
////

Sorry, all the unicorns are in the tank for Obama.

440 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:03:06pm

Anyone have an e-mail to Gateway Pundit? I left the following in the comments:
Please reconsider linking to Infowars. Alex Jones runs Infowars and he is THE BIGGEST 9/11 Troofer out there.

He is a freak - a nut job, a paranoid schizophrenic, and an opportunistic liar. Anyone on the right who associates themselves with him is going to lose precious credibility.

441 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:03:22pm

re: #399 Sharmuta

I just can't believe so many rightwingers who care about 9/11 would trust a troofer.

Kinda OT, I was wondering what the new PC Obama term for 9/11 will be?

442 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:04:11pm

re: #427 DistantThunder

Yes it does, doesn't it? I always try to leave out ad hominems and stick with the most neutral terms when I tell someone why I think the new(?) ideas being pushed aren't good ideas

re: #433 Dark_Falcon

Nor do I. I despise Obama and seek to thwart his plans, but that can only be done if we keep our arguments within the limits of truth (not troof) and sanity. If we start talking crazy, the MSM will use that crazy talk to make us unacceptable to the voters next year.

Give that man a cigar!

443 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:04:58pm

re: #391 Killgore Trout

Et tu, Gateway Pundit? He should know better, shouldn't he?

Gateway's grown increasingly shrill over the past few years. It started with Soros Derangement Syndrome, I think. I see "Soros" cited many a time in reference to some sinister cabal of financiers, winky-wink.

444 Aviator  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:04:59pm

re: #441 kansas

Kinda OT, I was wondering what the new PC Obama term for 9/11 will be?

It will not be mentioned. In Obama's world that means it just goes away.

445 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:05:32pm

re: #358 Iron Fist

You can't teach music and not teach Bach, and you can't teach Bach without somehow dealing with religion. He considered music to be a form of worship in general, and most of his music was explicitly religious. Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring is probably the most recognized song of any form in Western Civilization, and that is but one of Bach's many masterworks.

And even Bach is just one (extremely prolific) composer. Until the mid to late ninteenth century music was largely religious in nature, at least in Western culture.

Reminds me of a game of connection one of my teachers used to love to play:

All Western music is classical music;

But all classical music is really German folk-music;

But all German folk-music is merely a re-working of gypsy music;

But all gypsy music is based in Indian music.

And so, Bach should be played on the sitar.

446 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:05:56pm

re: #443 Zimriel

Gateway's grown increasingly shrill over the past few years. It started with Soros Derangement Syndrome, I think. I see "Soros" cited many a time in reference to some sinister cabal of financiers, winky-wink.

Soros is evil. Of course that's my personal belief. Anyone is free to say I'm nuts.

447 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:06:03pm

re: #433 Dark_Falcon

Nor do I. I despise Obama and seek to thwart his plans, but that can only be done if we keep our arguments within the limits of truth (not troof) and sanity. If we start talking crazy, the MSM will use that crazy talk to make us unacceptable to the voters next year.

I agree about the crazy talk, but I wonder why it's so effective for the crazies on the other side?

448 The Other Les  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:06:03pm

Motivator of the Day.

449 Racer X  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:06:10pm

We need a new political party.

I guess "Not a bunch of assholes" would be a bad name?

450 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:06:21pm

What People Can learn From How Animals make Collective Decisions.

Condorcet’s theory describes consensus decisions, outlining how democratic decisions tend to outperform dictatorial ones. If each member of a jury has only partial information, the majority decision is more likely to be correct than a decision arrived at by an individual juror. Moreover, the probability of a correct decision increases with the size of the jury. But things become more complicated when information is shared before a vote is taken. People then have to evaluate the information before making a collective decision. This is what bees do, and they do it rather well, according to Christian List of the London School of Economics, who has studied group decision-making in humans and animals along with Larissa Conradt of the University of Sussex, in England.
451 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:06:26pm

re: #442 Chicago Blonde

Yes it does, doesn't it? I always try to leave out ad hominems and stick with the most neutral terms when I tell someone why I think the new(?) ideas being pushed aren't good ideas

re: #433 Dark_Falcon

Give that man a cigar!

Make it two.

452 rolltideroll  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:06:49pm

re: #441 kansas

Kinda OT, I was wondering what the new PC Obama term for 9/11 will be?

Misunderstanding with Isalm day

453 brookly red  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:07:23pm

re: #426 Zimriel

Oh - "policy". My apologies. I was vague when I said "decisions". I was not referring to policy decisions - but to decisions on standards.

Scientific findings are not subject to voters anyway. No-one can take a paper about DNA, wave it before Congress, and demand it be un-published. They can however demand it not be taught. That's a design flaw in the Constitution.

And I wouldn't put this onus on the courts, but in a parallel system of state-recognised "science courts", elected by other scientists.

Und I wouldn' t setzte diese Last auf die Gerichte, aber in ein paralleles System des Zustand-anerkannten " ein; Wissenschaft courts" , gewählt durch andere Wissenschaftler. Ja!

ein; Wissenschaft courts ja! ja! ja!... you are really starting to scare me.

454 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:07:27pm

re: #444 Aviator

It will not be mentioned. In Obama's world that means it just goes away.

I see, in Obama's 2001 there was 9/1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12....etc.

455 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:07:36pm

re: #424 Harry Tuttle

Limited government.

Strong national defense.

Done.

Lower taxes.

Now we're done.

456 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:08:01pm

KSFO news speaking about Lavell Mixon, the cop killer in Oakland, and the now-linked February 5 rape of a 12 year old girl, and how this may have played into the traffic stop ....and also outrage about the vigil being held tonight celebrating his life.

No link yet on details of the rape of the 12 year old.

457 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:08:02pm

BBIAB

458 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:08:10pm

re: #440 FrogMarch

It might be an honest mistake but I think the real problem is that he found the story compelling enough to make a post about it. These conspiracy theories are finding fertile ground.

459 BignJames  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:08:12pm

re: #450 DistantThunder

Lemmings too?

460 The Other Les  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:08:14pm

re: #449 Racer X

We need a new political party.

I guess "Not a bunch of assholes" would be a bad name?

How about The Reformation Party.

Or The Capitalist Party.

Or The Rational Adult Party.

Or The Lizard Party.

461 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:08:45pm

re: #443 Zimriel

Thanks, I don't read him enough to make an informed opinion.

462 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:09:06pm

re: #452 rolltideroll

Misunderstanding with Isalm day

The day some assholes flew airplanes into building. Or, the day Bush and Cheney blew up the World Trade Center. Hey this will make a good contest.

463 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:09:21pm

re: #459 BignJames

Lemmings too?

Now it is becoming clear that group decisions are also extremely valuable for the success of social animals, such as ants, bees, birds and dolphins. And those animals may have a thing or two to teach people about collective decision-making.

464 The Other Les  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:09:36pm

re: #456 pink freud

KSFO news speaking about Lavell Mixon, the cop killer in Oakland, and the now-linked February 5 rape of a 12 year old girl, and how this may have played into the traffic stop ....and also outrage about the vigil being held tonight celebrating his life.

No link yet on details of the rape of the 12 year old.

[voice up an octave] WHAT? [/voice up an octave]

465 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:09:58pm

re: #456 pink freud

KSFO news speaking about Lavell Mixon, the cop killer in Oakland, and the now-linked February 5 rape of a 12 year old girl, and how this may have played into the traffic stop ....and also outrage about the vigil being held tonight celebrating his life.

No link yet on details of the rape of the 12 year old.

Have they had the requisite interview with his mom about what a good boy he was?

466 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:10:05pm
467 rolltideroll  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:10:24pm

Lire: #460 The Other Les

How about The Reformation Party.

Or The Capitalist Party.

Or The Rational Adult Party.

Or The Lizard Party.

Lizard Party wouldn't work. You would do well in the south and southwest,but would grow lethargic and possibly enter a coma in the colder north.

468 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:10:37pm

re: #438 Wishing

Individual liberty, personal responsibility. Now get that into THE REPUBLICAN PLATFORM. one size fits all, no abortion stuff, no creationism/ID stuff, and we have a CHANCE of enlarging the tent.

I think that is covered in point #1 "limited government".

469 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:10:38pm

re: #429 jcm

WHAT?

No unicorn?
////

You have to get yours out of your neighbor's car battery.

/wait for it...

470 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:10:40pm

re: #441 kansas

Kinda OT, I was wondering what the new PC Obama term for 9/11 will be?

Either:

1) The day of which we do not speak;
2) The inevitable response to Bush's foreign policy (with a time-machine, it would work)

471 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:11:16pm

re: #462 kansas

The day some assholes flew airplanes into building. Or, the day Bush and Cheney blew up the World Trade Center. Hey this will make a good contest.

That was an unforeseen contingency.

472 BignJames  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:11:18pm

re: #463 DistantThunder

Well those groups didn't vote for Obama.

473 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:11:22pm

re: #435 DistantThunder

That's the groupthink.

Zombie already covered this:

[Link: www.zombietime.com...]

474 Shug  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:11:41pm

re: #441 kansas

Kinda OT, I was wondering what the new PC Obama term for 9/11 will be?

The Day America's Chickens cane home to roost

475 David Simon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:12:00pm

re: #358 Iron Fist

And even Bach is just one (extremely prolific) composer. Until the mid to late ninteenth century music was largely religious in nature, at least in Western culture.

The 20th century has its gems too. For example, Rachmaninoff's Vespers.

476 right_on_target  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:12:01pm

re: #138 buzzsawmonkey

OT

Has anyone else been musing about the fact that we are relying on the People's Republic of China (founder, one Mao Zedong) to purchase and hold the Obama-generated debt, and that said Obama's political mentor is one Bill Ayers, a Maoist?


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They are the Morlocks.
We, the Eloi.

477 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:12:25pm

re: #455 Slumbering Behemoth

Lower taxes.

Now we're done.

Again, covered "Limited government."

478 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:12:35pm

How about the "Joe and Jane" party?

Or the "Honest Joe Party?"

479 hazzyday  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:12:36pm

Malkin at the Mint or how Alex Jones plays as a scumball. People linking to anything infowars should also link to this.

480 USBeast  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:12:44pm

The striking difference between Bush Derangement Syndrome and Obama Derangement Syndrome is that BDS was a purely emotional response on the part of the Left to harsh reality and OBS is an emotional response to the fact that Obama and his supporters are batshit crazy.

The political pendulum has become a volley ball.

481 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:12:45pm

re: #466 Iron Fist

And if you read the liveblogging report, the science teachers say they spend three days covering evolution. All this nonsense over three days of education. I find this highly wasteful of the school board's time and in the resources being used to hold these hearing too. What exactly about wasting time, money and resources on such a minor aspect of education (three days!) is conservative?

482 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:13:04pm

re: #469 Slumbering Behemoth

You have to get yours out of your neighbor's car battery.

/wait for it...

Loved it!

483 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:13:04pm

re: #441 kansas

Kinda OT, I was wondering what the new PC Obama term for 9/11 will be?

Depending on the year I'd guess, "Monday", "Tuesday", & etc...

/

484 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:13:06pm

Zimriel:

Missed your reply upthread, I'm on the phone here. My side's liberty. What's your side?

485 Racer X  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:13:12pm

re: #469 Slumbering Behemoth

You have to get yours out of your neighbor's car battery.

/wait for it...

LOL!

486 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:13:45pm

re: #464 The Other Les

New information is coming to light ....the rape of a 12 year old February 5, at gunpoint, taken from her neighborhood, case working its way through the system. DNA involved. Possible motive for Mixon preemptively opening fire during the traffic stop.

Ok ...confirmation now ...DNA is conclusively linked to 12 year old, plus possible multiple other rapes.

I am streaming ksfo. Very interesting.

I don't know who this is but he is making sense.

487 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:13:47pm

re: #483 Bloodnok

LOL on that one.

488 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:14:03pm

Running off to pick up son from his second job - we make him work 2 jobs if he can't get 40 hours at one - but just a head up that DR DT will be on Carson Daly Show tonight, on NBC. They shot the footage on Sunday...don't know how it turned out.

489 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:14:08pm
490 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:14:36pm

re: #469 Slumbering Behemoth

You have to get yours out of your neighbor's car battery.

/wait for it...

Be right back, my neighbor left his car outside............

491 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:14:52pm

re: #478 DistantThunder

Common Sense Party?

492 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:15:25pm

re: #491 Chicago Blonde

Common Sense Party?

Republic Restoration Party

493 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:15:40pm

Pay As You Go Party

494 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:16:05pm

re: #493 DistantThunder

Pay As You Go Party

LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE PARTY

495 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:16:23pm

Don't Tread on Me Party

496 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:16:33pm

re: #494 jcm

LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE PARTY

Covered "Limited government."

497 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:17:06pm

No Debt Party

498 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:17:15pm

I'm really more interested in taking back the GOP and making it known that religion is fine for individuals, but party politics not so much.

499 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:17:28pm

re: #496 Harry Tuttle

Covered "Limited government."

One size fits all.

But the whole national defense thing is important, you know.

500 brookly red  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:17:32pm

good night y,all

501 FrogMarch  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:17:33pm

re: #458 Killgore Trout

It might be an honest mistake but I think the real problem is that he found the story compelling enough to make a post about it. These conspiracy theories are finding fertile ground.

I find Gateway compelling. We all have to be more careful.

502 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:17:34pm

re: #496 Harry Tuttle

Covered "Limited government."

;-P

503 The Other Les  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:17:41pm

re: #486 pink freud

Thank you.

504 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:18:14pm

re: #498 Sharmuta

I'm really more interested in taking back the GOP and making it known that religion is fine for individuals, but party politics not so much.

Agreed. Huckabee has got to go. It's encouraging that he got like 7% of the vote at CPAC. Romney was the leader.

505 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:18:17pm
506 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:18:35pm

re: #442 Chicago Blonde

Yes it does, doesn't it? I always try to leave out ad hominems and stick with the most neutral terms when I tell someone why I think the new(?) ideas being pushed aren't good ideas

re: #433 Dark_Falcon

Give that man a cigar!

Thank you. I'll give the cigar to my father, he likes 'em.

507 pink freud  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:18:42pm

re: #503 The Other Les

You're welcome. Meant to say, DNA conclusively linked to Lavell Mixon.

508 The Other Les  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:18:49pm

re: #492 jcm

Republic Restoration Party

The Renaissance (rebirth) Party.

509 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:19:32pm

The smell of victory.....

US says Iraq attacks at lowest since 2003

A US military spokesman in Iraq on Wednesday said the number of attacks countrywide had dropped to the lowest level since the months which followed the 2003 invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein.
"Attacks are at their lowest since August 2003," Major General David Perkins told reporters in Baghdad, saying incidents were 90 percent down compared with June 2007.
510 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:19:34pm

I wonder to what extent the ID, Jeremiah Wright, Cult of Barry, INFOWARS, chemtrail stuff, etc., etc., can be interpreted as signs and symptoms of coming mass insanity. Is it my imagination, or does it seem to be the case that there are a lot of crazy folks out there, more perhaps than previously, or that madness has sort of spread out among the population as a whole?

511 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:20:03pm

re: #504 DistantThunder

Agreed. Huckabee has got to go. It's encouraging that he got like 7% of the vote at CPAC. Romney was the leader.

Looks like if you wanna get rid of Huckabee it's gonna take a wooden stake.

512 DistantThunder  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:20:03pm

re: #508 The Other Les

The Renaissance (rebirth) Party.

Most Americans can;t spell Renaissance - it;s that pubic(sic) school education.

513 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:20:09pm

re: #484 Thanos

Zimriel:

Missed your reply upthread, I'm on the phone here. My side's liberty. What's your side?

My side is liberty too. I have simply lost faith in the ability of democracy to safeguard liberty. A reaction toward a little less democracy will restore some of those liberties, in my opinion.

Besides, a lot of policy is already set by unelected, permanent civil services. That's a good thing! The problem is (1) it's still subject to "political interference" (i.e., democracy used as designed) and (2) it's a largely informal system, loosely attached to the executive branch, a (mostly) elected office.

If you like, you can send this through a translator and make it sound a bit more German (although I think Latin would be more appropriate, personally).

514 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:20:16pm

re: #468 Harry Tuttle

I think that is covered in point #1 "limited government".

I said, Get that into the Republican platform, one size fits all (states), and we have a CHANCE of enlarging the tent. Was that in point 1? Sorry if I missed it!

515 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:20:42pm

Having linked Te Deum, and O Magnum Mysterium, I feel compelled to end the religious choral songs with a Gloria, courtesy of Vivaldi:

Youtube Video
516 USBeast  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:21:24pm

re: #491 Chicago Blonde

Common Sense Party?

Lovely idea but it will not fly. I've been wrestling with this for quite some time and cannot come up with a title/slogan that wouldn't sound like hokum to a jaded American Public. We, the People, are going to have to take over one of our established parties if we are going to save our Republic.

517 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:21:31pm

re: #512 DistantThunder

Most Americans can;t spell Renaissance - it;s that pubic(sic) school education.

That's funny, but apparently really true.

518 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:21:34pm
519 Racer X  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:22:02pm

re: #509 jcm

The smell of victory.....

US says Iraq attacks at lowest since 2003

Obama is truly a uniter and a healer!

520 Salamantis  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:22:21pm

Accept good logic and well-checked empirical evidence party?

521 traderjoe9  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:22:32pm

Given all the medical and scientific breakthroughs, and all the technological innovations that makes our life so much more convenient, is evolution in humans still possible?

Any functions that we could develop over time will probably just be replaced by some innovative technologies.

522 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:22:44pm

re: #514 Wishing

I said, Get that into the Republican platform, one size fits all (states), and we have a CHANCE of enlarging the tent. Was that in point 1? Sorry if I missed it!

1: limited government
2: strong national defense

What else is there?

How do we make this the platform? Who makes the decisions?

Who is John Galt?

523 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:23:07pm

re: #510 Guanxi88

Sadly, it's not your imagination. I noticed the number of crazy people has been increasing steadily since I was in high school, then seemed to double annually after college. My other half is more to the left than I, a Kennedy-type Democrat, and he noticed it too.

524 traderjoe9  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:23:09pm

Well...we could still all evolve into the likes of Jack Bauer.

525 nyc redneck  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:23:25pm

re: #510 Guanxi88

I wonder to what extent the ID, Jeremiah Wright, Cult of Barry, INFOWARS, chemtrail stuff, etc., etc., can be interpreted as signs and symptoms of coming mass insanity. Is it my imagination, or does it seem to be the case that there are a lot of crazy folks out there, more perhaps than previously, or that madness has sort of spread out among the population as a whole?

it's a crazy time we're living in.
no doubt abt. it.
and we have a gov't contributing to and taking advantage of the situation.
i was thinking that not much would surprise me today.

526 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:23:44pm

re: #522 Harry Tuttle

1: limited government
2: strong national defense

What else is there?

How do we make this the platform? Who makes the decisions?

Who is John Galt?

Have you written to Michael Steele yet?

527 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:24:48pm

re: #516 USBeast

If that's the case we need to stick with the elephant. We need to appeal to people's wallets in 2010.

528 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:24:55pm

re: #513 Zimriel

What you are proposing however is bordering on technocracy, the way the left is getting to statism. "Don't bother your pretty little head about science, we'll take care of those decisions for you..."

The average american will make the right decision when given the facts, witness the recent change to purple in Kansas due to these very issues.

What's needed is better science reporting, not a cabal of technocrats. That's going to happen over the next few years because it really must due to the large scale changes coming in science and technology.

529 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:25:17pm

re: #523 Chicago Blonde

Sadly, it's not your imagination. I noticed the number of crazy people has been increasing steadily since I was in high school, then seemed to double annually after college. My other half is more to the left than I, a Kennedy-type Democrat, and he noticed it too.

re: #525 nyc redneck

it's a crazy time we're living in.
no doubt abt. it.
and we have a gov't contributing to and taking advantage of the situation.
i was thinking that not much would surprise me today.

Clearly, then, we can see that they were right to warn us about the fluoride in the drinking water. ///

"Have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water, Colonel Mandrake?"

530 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:26:12pm

re: #521 traderjoe9

Given all the medical and scientific breakthroughs, and all the technological innovations that makes our life so much more convenient, is evolution in humans still possible?

Any functions that we could develop over time will probably just be replaced by some innovative technologies.

It's not only possible, it's inevitable. We are now at the point where we affect our own evolution, and have arguably been so since we took up farming.

531 Arby Dwiar  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:26:27pm

re: #510 Guanxi88

After reading your post, suddenly, everything begins to make sense.

This and a 6,000-year-old planet, too.

532 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:26:46pm

re: #526 Wishing

Have you written to Michael Steele yet?

Yes brother.

I don't think they are listening. Do you?

533 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:27:07pm

re: #529 Guanxi88

We. Love. That. Movie. Love it. I want a screen-saver of Slim Pickins, screaming and riding the bomb.

I don't know if it's fluoride, microwaves or what, but people are getting crazier.

534 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:27:16pm

re: #522 Harry Tuttle

1: limited government
2: strong national defense

What else is there?

How do we make this the platform? Who makes the decisions?

Who is John Galt?

The Constitution as written.

It was and is a contract. A contract by the people forming a government. The government has since re-written the contract. We need to abolish the current government (through elections) with one that will honor the contract.

535 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:27:26pm
536 Salamantis  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:27:35pm

re: #521 traderjoe9

Given all the medical and scientific breakthroughs, and all the technological innovations that makes our life so much more convenient, is evolution in humans still possible?

Any functions that we could develop over time will probably just be replaced by some innovative technologies.

Human evolution is currently proceeding at a faster pace than it evr has:

[Link: www.news-medical.net...]

537 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:27:40pm

re: #521 traderjoe9

Given all the medical and scientific breakthroughs, and all the technological innovations that makes our life so much more convenient, is evolution in humans still possible?

Any functions that we could develop over time will probably just be replaced by some innovative technologies.

Or evolution could be negative as medical science allows those who would have died to have defective offspring. Or for example when Koskids breed with Huffpo morons.

538 hazzyday  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:27:43pm

The Texas GoP supporting ID in Texas schools is the most I have heard out of the Republican party lately. This might be their strongest direction since Jindal and volcanoes. Maybe I am sore because I have written 6 congress peoples and 2 governors lately and none of them would reply even with form letters.

539 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:27:47pm

re: #533 Chicago Blonde

We. Love. That. Movie. Love it. I want a screen-saver of Slim Pickins, screaming and riding the bomb.

I don't know if it's fluoride, microwaves or what, but people are getting crazier.

It may surprise you to know that Major Bat Guano posts here, from time to time.

540 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:28:17pm

re: #535 buzzsawmonkey

Has anyone checked Wonder Bread for ergot lately?

Saint Vitus' dance, you think?

541 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:28:18pm

re: #534 jcm

The Constitution as written.

It was and is a contract. A contract by the people forming a government. The government has since re-written the contract. We need to abolish the current government (through elections) with one that will honor the contract.

Spot on.

542 hazzyday  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:28:39pm

re: #532 Harry Tuttle

Yes brother.

I don't think they are listening. Do you?

I don't think Republicans listen well.

543 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:28:53pm

re: #532 Harry Tuttle

Yes brother.

I don't think they are listening. Do you?

Sister here..and if enough of us raise the same stink, they will have to listen! Or so I keep hoping...

544 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:29:27pm

re: #516 USBeast

Lovely idea but it will not fly. I've been wrestling with this for quite some time and cannot come up with a title/slogan that wouldn't sound like hokum to a jaded American Public. We, the People, are going to have to take over one of our established parties if we are going to save our Republic.

Fiscal conservatives have been marginalized for long enough. It's time we stood up and said we're no longer willing to be held hostage by the religious passions of our so-called conservative fellows. They can stay if they'd like, but their religious passions belong at church, not in the party because their fervency is repelling too many people away, including other conservatives, and it's costing America by leading us to government power being in the hands of socialists. This has to stop, and stop now.

545 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:29:36pm

re: #538 hazzyday

The Texas GoP supporting ID in Texas schools is the most I have heard out of the Republican party lately. This might be their strongest direction since Jindal and volcanoes. Maybe I am sore because I have written 6 congress peoples and 2 governors lately and none of them would reply even with form letters.

You'll hear from them again in 2010 when they will send you fake surveys designed to get you to agree to the positions they've already mapped and also to get you to send them a check.

The R"s get no more money from me until they make some changes.

546 lobo91  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:29:38pm

re: #523 Chicago Blonde

My other half is more to the left than I, a Kennedy-type Democrat

Which Kennedy? JFK? RFK? Ted?

Or the one who used to be on MTV?

547 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:29:43pm

re: #539 Guanxi88

Ah yes, Bat's a cool Lizard. :)

548 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:30:28pm

re: #395 USBeast

Uh, clue me in please. Just which lie are we talking about?

Oh, we could talk about the one where the spiritual Allness that is God would configure atoms/molecules in a certain way and then call this material illusion his son.

549 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:30:49pm

re: #543 Wishing

Sister here..and if enough of us raise the same stink, they will have to listen! Or so I keep hoping...

Palin/Levin 2012

550 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:30:51pm

re: #544 Sharmuta

I sure hope you are running for SOME office come 2010 !

551 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:30:51pm

re: #535 buzzsawmonkey

Has anyone checked Wonder Bread for ergot lately?

Perhaps those ladies at tea were onto something when they cut the crusts off those watercress sandwiches.

552 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:30:52pm
553 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:30:55pm

re: #547 Chicago Blonde

Ah yes, Bat's a cool Lizard. :)

Yeah, but he's always talking about "pre-versions". Still, seems like a decent reptile.

554 jaunte  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:31:16pm

re: #544 Sharmuta

We could call it the Trust God (and stop trying to grab his steering wheel) Party.

555 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:31:20pm

re: #549 Harry Tuttle

Palin/Levin 2012

I can upding that! Though I don't think either of them will go for it.

556 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:31:38pm
557 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:31:56pm

re: #554 jaunte

We could call it the Trust God (and stop trying to grab his steering wheel) Party.

lol love it!

558 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:31:59pm

re: #544 Sharmuta

Fiscal conservatives have been marginalized for long enough. It's time we stood up and said we're no longer willing to be held hostage by the religious passions of our so-called conservative fellows. They can stay if they'd like, but their religious passions belong at church, not in the party because their fervency is repelling too many people away, including other conservatives, and it's costing America by leading us to government power being in the hands of socialists. This has to stop, and stop now.

+1776!

559 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:32:34pm

re: #546 lobo91

Which Kennedy? JFK? RFK? Ted?

Or the one who used to be on MTV?

JFK. To the left but still reasonable.
And we both loathed MTV's Kennedy. >:)

560 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:32:50pm

re: #548 Kreuzueber Halbmond

You're creeping me out there Kreuzy.

561 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:32:53pm

The GOP talking point of the day is that there's nothing wrong with wanting Barack Obama to fail.

This is so wrong-headed I don't even know where to start.

Criticize him, show where he's wrong, point out the flaws in his policies, even mock the guy for his reliance on a teleprompter.

But when you say you want him to FAIL, even if you try to qualify it by saying "if his policies hurt America I want him to fail," you are absolutely losing the support of the middle, who do NOT want any American president to fail.

The FAIL here is on the GOP side, and they're doubling down on it. Bobby Jindal came out last night defending this crap, and now Fred Thompson is doing it too.

The Republican Party is in denial, and refusing to look at the real problems that have led to losing the last two major elections.

562 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:32:56pm

re: #558 Bloodnok

+1776!

Run Sharm, run!

563 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:33:05pm

re: #556 Iron Fist

I agree 100%. There are many more important issues that these people could be focused on. I don't agree with the Young Earth Creationists on anything, really, though I believe that the Universe was ultimately created by God. I would think that the revisionism in history class would be more important to Conservatives, both religious conservatives and non-religious ones. I've recounted before how one of my students, a bright, talented kid, did not know that the Cold War even happened. He thought I was talking about something out of science fiction when I described the MX-Peacekeeper, and barely knew that Reagan was a President back when he was a small child.

He, of course, knew nothing of substance about the Soviet Union, or why Reagan would have described it as an "Evil Empire". The whole context of the last half of the 20th Century was distilled into America was the bad guy in Vietnam.

This is a problem. A huge probem. Kids aren't being taught how to think for themselves, nor are they being given the necessary foundations on how to do things like vote. Even when I was in high school, Civics was considered a "wasted" class. I was encouraged to take Civics during summer school to get it out of the way of more important classes. In retrospect that is pretty appalling.

Very very well said

564 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:33:25pm

re: #536 Salamantis

Human evolution is currently proceeding at a faster pace than it evr has:

[Link: www.news-medical.net...]

Is that why Behe keeps attacking malaria?

565 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:34:12pm

re: #556 Iron Fist

I agree 100%. There are many more important issues that these people could be focused on. I don't agree with the Young Earth Creationists on anything, really, though I believe that the Universe was ultimately created by God. I would think that the revisionism in history class would be more important to Conservatives, both religious conservatives and non-religious ones. I've recounted before how one of my students, a bright, talented kid, did not know that the Cold War even happened. He thought I was talking about something out of science fiction when I described the MX-Peacekeeper, and barely knew that Reagan was a President back when he was a small child.

He, of course, knew nothing of substance about the Soviet Union, or why Reagan would have described it as an "Evil Empire". The whole context of the last half of the 20th Century was distilled into America was the bad guy in Vietnam.

This is a problem. A huge probem. Kids aren't being taught how to think for themselves, nor are they being given the necessary foundations on how to do things like vote. Even when I was in high school, Civics was considered a "wasted" class. I was encouraged to take Civics during summer school to get it out of the way of more important classes. In retrospect that is pretty appalling.

Who, largely, is teaching these children?

566 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:34:31pm

re: #562 Wishing

Run Sharm, run!

Hey, I'm no Paulian!

/LIBERTY!

567 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:34:54pm

re: #565 Harry Tuttle

Who, largely, is teaching these children?

Demo☭rats.

568 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:35:05pm

re: #552 buzzsawmonkey

Supposedly, a number of the jacqueries of the Middle Ages could be laid to the effects of ergot poisoning--which supposedly is somewhat akin to the effects of a bad LSD trip.

Who knows--maybe it's making a comeback, just as some diseases previously thought to have been vanquished have been reappearing in the wake of large numbers of people foregoing vaccinations.

It may also be an evolutionary (to bring this thread back around) thing. It might well be that the complexity of the environment we have created, and the tools we have developed, have exceeded the level of complexity manageable by the average brain. Think about it - our best and most important advances are the result of the genius of others - that is, the world's most important and amazing structures are the result of first-class intellects, which are necessarily rare. These advances, however, make living somewhat easier (biologically), thus increasing our numbers without requiring a corresponding increase in evolutionary fitness.

It may be that we as a species have reached the point where our technology has long since outstripped the average level of intelligence, and so people, faced with a world they do not understand, upon which they are wholly dependent, and to which they can make no real contribution, simply go mad, in one form or degree or another.

569 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:35:09pm

We need a Daniel Hannan instead of a Bobby Jindal right now in this country

570 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:35:14pm

Seattle's Mayor Greg "Santa's gonna' drown" Nickels just won't give up his obsession with my guns.

Seattle gun ban

The ego of Settle mayor Greg Nickels knows no bounds. The Weekly reports that Nickles' gun ban on city parks and property will begin in May despite advice from the Attorney General that the ban is unconstitutional. Rob McKenna's office released this statement:
"Our office's opinion clearly states that state law pre-empts a city's authority to enact local laws that prohibit the possession of firearms on city property or in city-owned facilities. Moving forward with the firearms rule could subject the city to legal challenges from private citizens."

The city held a public meeting on this issue in December - the mayor didn't bother to show up - but 150 citizens did. They were overwhelmingly against the ban. But, Nickels' desire to appease the anti-gun zealots far outweighs his desire to represent his constituents.

571 David Simon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:35:17pm

Ralph Peters provides a nice thumbnail guide to the Obama administration's foreign policy blunders thus far:

Don't worry about the new administration's ideology. Worry about its terrifying naivete.

Consider a sampling of the goofs O and his crew have made in just two months:

China: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (you know that gal married to the Saudi hireling) crawled to Beijing to tell the party bosses that human rights don't matter. Our "relationship" is more important than freedom and human dignity.

Beijing's response? A staged military confrontation with an unarmed US Navy vessel; continued screw-America currency cheating; a renewed crackdown on dissidents and, yesterday, a call for a new global currency to replace the dollar.

Thanks, Hill. You're a sweetheart.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

572 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:35:22pm

re: #550 Wishing

I sure hope you are running for SOME office come 2010 !

Hon- I'm not electable.

573 Racer X  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:35:39pm

re: #536 Salamantis

Human evolution is currently proceeding at a faster pace than it evr has:

[Link: www.news-medical.net...]

Evidently, not fast enough.

574 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:36:23pm

re: #556 Iron Fist

I agree- it's why I said earlier this nonsense from both sides has to stop. It's bad for this country in every way.

575 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:36:39pm

re: #561 Charles

The GOP talking point of the day is that there's nothing wrong with wanting Barack Obama to fail.

This is so wrong-headed I don't even know where to start.

Criticize him, show where he's wrong, point out the flaws in his policies, even mock the guy for his reliance on a teleprompter.

But when you say you want him to FAIL, even if you try to qualify it by saying "if his policies hurt America I want him to fail," you are absolutely losing the support of the middle, who do NOT want any American president to fail.

The FAIL here is on the GOP side, and they're doubling down on it. Bobby Jindal came out last night defending this crap, and now Fred Thompson is doing it too.

The Republican Party is in denial, and refusing to look at the real problems that have led to losing the last two major elections.

There is also the serious issue that wanting the President to fail in these difficult times means that you hope everything gets worse for America. Love Obama or hate him, if he fails as president, then this country will suffer for it.

The short form of it is that Republicans who say this would rather have America suffer for their own political gain then America succeed under someone else. To say that this is unpatriotic would be an understatement. It shows where these people place their priorities and frankly means that they serve themselves before they serve America.

Dare I say that this is a disqualification from office?

576 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:37:14pm

re: #569 SpaceJesus

We need a Daniel Hannan instead of a Bobby Jindal right now in this country

Who is Daniel Hannan?

577 hazzyday  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:37:18pm

re: #570 jcm

People should just email him that they are going to be in such a such park at such and such time with a licensed firearm. Twitter him with locations.

578 Colonel Panik  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:37:38pm

re: #571 David Simon

Ralph Peters provides a nice thumbnail guide to the Obama administration's foreign policy blunders thus far:

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

"AMERICA'S enemies smell blood and it's type "O"."

Good one, Ralph.

579 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:38:10pm
580 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:38:26pm

re: #577 hazzyday

People should just email him that they are going to be in such a such park at such and such time with a licensed firearm. Twitter him with locations.

Even SPD has said they wouldn't enforce the ban.

581 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:38:33pm
582 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:38:35pm

re: #572 Sharmuta

Hon- I'm not electable.

Because you are a lizard? Why not?

583 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:38:39pm

re: #570 jcm

Seattle's Mayor Greg "Santa's gonna' drown" Nickels just won't give up his obsession with my guns.

Seattle gun ban

Can a Seattle mayor be impeached? If that can be done, Nickels should be given the boot.

584 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:39:02pm

re: #560 kansas

You're creeping me out there Kreuzy.

Being human is a creepy thing ... once you see that what you are is space occupied by swirling electrons. Think about it.

585 Pietr  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:39:04pm

OT: This is what Wiki says about Avanti's ship, Newport News CA-148(A Hvy Cruiser, as I surmised from the CA), and his actual time in 'Nam.....doesn't mention blowing Sampans:

1 September 1967, Commander Second Fleet shifted his flag to Springfield, and Newport News departed Norfolk 5 September for a six month deployment to Southeast Asia. Arriving Da Nang, South Vietnam, on the morning of 9 October, she became the flagship of ComCruDesFlot 3. That night, at 2300, under her new call sign "Thunder," she fired her eight inch rifles for the first time in anger against shore targets in North Vietnam as part of Operation Sea Dragon. For years, her powerful guns had served as a major force to keep the peace. Now her strength served well in war during the following months in providing interdiction fire north of the Demilitarized Zone and naval gunfire support for American allied troops in South Vietnam.

Newport News spent some 50 days patrolling the coast of North Vietnam as part of Operation Sea Dragon – the Navy’s effort to destroy waterborne logistics craft as well as military supply routes ashore in North Vietnam. During this period, the ship conducted 156 strikes against enemy targets and, in the execution of these strikes, 325 North Vietnamese coastal defense sites were taken under fire. Combined, 7411 rounds of high explosive ammunition were expended by the ship during Operation Sea Dragon. According to spotters’ reports, Newport News sank 17 waterborne logistics craft, damaged another 14 and destroyed several enemy bunker and radar sites. In harassment and interdiction strike missions she all but halted the enemy’s rebuilding efforts as she damaged bridges, barges, trucks and roads and caused heavy ruin and raging fires in widespread areas. The ship was subjected to hostile fire on several occasions, but each time countered effectively and silenced the enemy batteries. On 19 December 1967, Newport News exchanged fire with 20-28 separate shore batteries, simultaneously, off the coast of North Vietnam. During the short period of this engagement, over 300 enemy rounds bracketed the cruiser’s position, but ship handling by Captain McCarty prevented any direct hits. This encounter led American forward observers to nickname Newport News “The Gray Ghost from the East Coast,” a moniker she retained throughout her three Vietnam deployments.[3].

Subsequent to the end of Operation Sea Dragon and for the remaining several months of this deployment, Newport News participated in Naval Gunfire Support operations near the DMZ (The Demilitarized Zone). In support of Third Marine Division forces on the beach, the ship fired around the clock for periods sometimes lasting several weeks in succession. On station near the DMZ, Newport News was normally in sight of land and crewmembers could frequently see and hear, first hand, the effect of their efforts on enemy positions.

During the total period of this deployment, Newport News expended a record 59,241 rounds of high-explosive ammunition, while conducting a total of 239 observed and 602 unobserved missions against the enemy. She came under fire of enemy coastal defense batteries on seventeen separate occasions, was frequently straffed with shrapnel, but never suffering a direct hit.

The cruiser departed Subic Bay on 21 April and arrived at her homeport of Norfolk, Virginia on 13 May 1968, via the Panama Canal.

586 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:39:28pm

re: #576 Dark_Falcon

Who is Daniel Hannan?

Youtube Video
587 SteveC  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:39:37pm

Off Topic but Great News!

A guy who is a member of the same heart organization I belong to is getting a heart transplant tonight! I'd appreciate it if you would keep Tony in your thoughts tonight!

588 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:39:44pm

re: #582 Wishing

Because you are a lizard? Why not?

Because I don't meet the purity test.

589 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:39:47pm

re: #556 Iron Fist

I remember my history classes being very detail-heavy for things like Sumerian City States (two courses on that, I have no idea) and it was as if once we passed WWII (and that barely got explored), time just...stopped. Very little Cold War, NO Viet Nam, no Watergate. Also little to no WWI.

/I still am baffled.

590 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:40:11pm

re: #583 Dark_Falcon

Can a Seattle mayor be impeached? If that can be done, Nickels should be given the boot.

Nickels is the "dahling" of Seattle's moonbats, same bunch that elected the Felon Baghdad Jim McDimwitt with 80% margins.

591 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:40:26pm

re: #561 Charles

The GOP talking point of the day is that there's nothing wrong with wanting Barack Obama to fail.

This is so wrong-headed I don't even know where to start.

Criticize him, show where he's wrong, point out the flaws in his policies, even mock the guy for his reliance on a teleprompter.

But when you say you want him to FAIL, even if you try to qualify it by saying "if his policies hurt America I want him to fail," you are absolutely losing the support of the middle, who do NOT want any American president to fail.

The FAIL here is on the GOP side, and they're doubling down on it. Bobby Jindal came out last night defending this crap, and now Fred Thompson is doing it too.

The Republican Party is in denial, and refusing to look at the real problems that have led to losing the last two major elections.

In the service there is the notion of "respect the uniform if not the man." I suppose "loyal opposition" went out the window...

I am not Obama's biggest fan, but I would rather see him do well against the threats this nation faces than fail.

592 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:40:34pm

re: #584 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Kind of Men in Black thing you got going there, Kreuz.

593 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:40:53pm

re: #588 Sharmuta

Because I don't meet the purity test.

S'ok. You are needed here. :)

594 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:40:53pm

I'm going to make that comment a post, and piss off everybody.

595 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:41:10pm

re: #587 SteveC

Off Topic but Great News!

A guy who is a member of the same heart organization I belong to is getting a heart transplant tonight! I'd appreciate it if you would keep Tony in your thoughts tonight!

Great news! Speedy recovery to Tony! May the physicians have GREAT wisdom!

596 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:41:20pm

re: #584 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Being human is a creepy thing ... once you see that what you are is space occupied by swirling electrons. Think about it.

/But...I thought us girls were sugar and spice...re: #588 Sharmuta

597 Racer X  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:41:22pm

re: #588 Sharmuta

Because I don't meet the purity test.

Change your nic.

598 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:41:26pm

re: #594 Charles

I'm going to make that comment a post, and piss off everybody.

Not me.

599 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:42:17pm

Evening Lizards,

I am watching Hannity and there was a guest talking about political correctness rum a muck. Now schools are calling St. Patrick's Day - Potato Day. We can no longer say illegal aliens.

600 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:42:24pm

re: #588 Sharmuta

Because I don't meet the purity test.

Purity tests? Arent those unconstitutional? Screw em, Sharm, run because it's the right thing to do!
(or at least be preening someone cut out of your own mold!)

601 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:42:58pm

re: #588 Sharmuta

Sorry. I don't know why the beginning of this comment got appended to my joke with Kreuzueber. :)
I was going to say, could you be the power behind a throne?

602 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:43:03pm

re: #597 Racer X

Change your nic.

LOL!

No really- I have plenty of things in my past that would be dragged out to discredit me, and I'm not interested in putting myself or my family in that position.

603 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:43:08pm

re: #580 jcm

Even SPD has said they wouldn't enforce the ban.

Good on them. The cops are right to stand up for the rights of the citizens. The protection of said rights is their main job, and I glad that they understand that.

604 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:43:14pm
The Discovery Institute is pushing hard for this one because if Texas—the largest purchaser of textbooks in America—takes that big step back into the Dark Ages, the resulting changes in textbooks may well affect the way science is taught nationwide.

This is exactly why Mel and Norma Gabler did what they did. They knew that they could influence textbooks across America.

605 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:43:15pm

re: #528 Thanos

What you are proposing however is bordering on technocracy, the way the left is getting to statism. "Don't bother your pretty little head about science, we'll take care of those decisions for you..."

This exactly sums up my attitude, except for the "pretty" part. Lots of creationists are male and/or donkey-butt ugly. And don't get me started on the topic of hairspray...

The average american will make the right decision when given the facts, witness the recent change to purple in Kansas due to these very issues.

Like the median 50th and 51st votes out of 100 were votes for Obama? Right, "given the facts"... so:

What's needed is better science reporting, not a cabal of technocrats. That's going to happen over the next few years because it really must due to the large scale changes coming in science and technology.

What good is science reporting to people who don't, or can't, read it? How can voters be "given the facts" when the people giving the facts, and the facts themselves, aren't out to flatter the voters. The liberal solution is to force facts into the voters so that they can be "well-informed". As well try preaching to your cat.

I'm more magnanimous; I allow the peoples' ignorant opinions about the Great Green Arkleseizure. I just think these opinions shouldn't be allowed to affect the foundational axioms of our state. What policies should be followed, based on these axioms, can remain in the hands of democracy. (For the sake of argument.)

Yours was the great hope of the 2000s: once people compare our way of life with their own, surely they will choose of their own free will to become More Like Us. I don't have any such faith in human nature. Libertarians read Ayn Rand; conservatives play BioShock.

Jonathan Swift was right: humans are, by nature, a selfish, grasping, unintelligent clan of chimpanzee. Creationists get around this by claiming that we're the image of God, which is hardly a flattery to God, and then they act like the most devious apes in the cage. By all means listen to their hooting and offer them a banana if they're hungry, but by no means let them write your science books for you.

606 USBeast  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:43:16pm

re: #544 Sharmuta

Fiscal conservatives have been marginalized for long enough. It's time we stood up and said we're no longer willing to be held hostage by the religious passions of our so-called conservative fellows. They can stay if they'd like, but their religious passions belong at church, not in the party because their fervency is repelling too many people away, including other conservatives, and it's costing America by leading us to government power being in the hands of socialists. This has to stop, and stop now.

I agree, but an unholy deal was made a while back. Can you imagine the rage of the self righteous should they be thrown under the bus by those who are merely trying to save the Republic? Hell hath no fury...

607 Bloodnok  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:43:29pm

re: #599 Afrocity

Evening Lizards,

I am watching Hannity and there was a guest talking about political correctness rum a muck. Now schools are calling St. Patrick's Day - Potato Day. We can no longer say illegal aliens.

Hi there. So glad to see you are okay!

608 David Simon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:43:39pm

re: #561 Charles

The GOP talking point of the day is that there's nothing wrong with wanting Barack Obama to fail.

This is so wrong-headed I don't even know where to start.

Yep. The real problem with liberalism is that it sounds good on paper, but the policies that come of it are demonstrably ruinous. I wouldn't be so opposed to it otherwise.

The hoping for failure theme is just flat-out bizarre.

609 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:43:45pm

re: #599 Afrocity

Hi there.
Potato Day? Please tell me you're joking?

610 hazzyday  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:43:57pm

re: #583 Dark_Falcon

Can a Seattle mayor be impeached? If that can be done, Nickels should be given the boot.

He is on the hook in the media this week. We had a 2 week long session of snow and ice. Seattlites panic at a tenth of an inch or snow or sunshine. Just not used to it. Anyway we had 4-10 inches. The politically correct county government bought politically correct buses that could no longer navigate snowy streets. They are built too low to the ground. They had to ground a portion of the bus fleet. The county roads were salted and plowed. The city decided that salt and snowplows with an edge to them were harmful to the environment and left the streets pretty much unplowed. EXCEPT the mayor's and mayor's top staff streets were plowed, the sidewalks were cleared, while the rest of the city was left to fall on their ass until the shocking effect of the sun melted a lot of it.

611 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:44:01pm

re: #602 Sharmuta

LOL!

No really- I have plenty of things in my past that would be dragged out to discredit me, and I'm not interested in putting myself or my family in that position.

Who says anybody has to know anything about you? Look at the POTUS.

612 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:44:17pm

Yes it's very distressing.

One of the easiest and most positive things we can do is to challenge the
liberal left (and the floundering right) is to educate those around us.

Tell them why they are wrong. Ask them to support their beliefs when the counter with meaningless media sound bytes because that is really all they have and they cannot support these ideas when challenged.

There are those that will not be swayed, but there are also those that will when they honestly assess their beliefs. There are also those that will
otherwise have been silent and speak up when they see others doing so.

This country is mostly center right, smart, hard working and want to keep their money.

Wake them up!

613 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:44:49pm

re: #585 Pietr

The News' 8' guns are awesome. 8" cased rounds, 20 rounds per minute per gun, 9 guns - 180 8" rounds a minute.

614 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:44:53pm

re: #609 Chicago Blonde

Hi there.
Potato Day? Please tell me you're joking?

We are in a post Obama world. No I am not joking.

615 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:45:05pm

re: #594 Charles

I'm going to make that comment a post, and piss off everybody.

Go for it! You are doing a service.

616 hazzyday  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:45:19pm

re: #586 SpaceJesus

[Video]

Space Jesus AKA Alex Jones. :-)

617 Pietr  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:45:32pm

re: #588 Sharmuta

Because I don't meet the purity test.

Hey, Sharm-just out "Hope and Change" the BO, and point to his disasters......LANDSLIDE!

618 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:45:42pm

re: #594 Charles

I'm going to make that comment a post, and piss off everybody.

While I don't entirely agree with you, I love the thread idea.

619 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:45:42pm

Abortion, creationism, and wanting Obama to fail. I'm off tomorrow. Think I'll go register as an Independent.

620 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:45:44pm

re: #614 Afrocity

*unable to think of anything to say, just sitting with her face in her palm*

621 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:45:46pm

Also- a friend of mine told me years ago I couldn't be a politician because I had too much integrity. Later, another friend, who is politically active, told me I would never get anywhere in politics because I'm not purchasable (think tfk's evil money cult). If you don't kiss up to special interests, you don't get the money. I'm not interested in selling out to lobbyists.

622 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:45:46pm

re: #594 Charles

I'm going to make that comment a post, and piss off everybody.

Can we get that with a supertanker?

623 Salamantis  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:45:56pm

re: #556 Iron Fist

I agree 100%. There are many more important issues that these people could be focused on. I don't agree with the Young Earth Creationists on anything, really, though I believe that the Universe was ultimately created by God. I would think that the revisionism in history class would be more important to Conservatives, both religious conservatives and non-religious ones. I've recounted before how one of my students, a bright, talented kid, did not know that the Cold War even happened. He thought I was talking about something out of science fiction when I described the MX-Peacekeeper, and barely knew that Reagan was a President back when he was a small child.

He, of course, knew nothing of substance about the Soviet Union, or why Reagan would have described it as an "Evil Empire". The whole context of the last half of the 20th Century was distilled into America was the bad guy in Vietnam.

This is a problem. A huge probem. Kids aren't being taught how to think for themselves, nor are they being given the necessary foundations on how to do things like vote. Even when I was in high school, Civics was considered a "wasted" class. I was encouraged to take Civics during summer school to get it out of the way of more important classes. In retrospect that is pretty appalling.

But do you accept that humans and great apes evolutionarily diverged from ancient common hominid ancestors, as the artifactual retroviral DNA evidence clearly shows, Iron?

624 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:46:46pm

re: #592 kansas

Kind of Men in Black thing you got going there, Kreuz.

It's a long story... more of a three-eyed men in light thing.

625 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:47:06pm

re: #607 Bloodnok

Hi there. So glad to see you are okay!

Thanks Bloodnok. I am in pain but I have a nurse here and she just bought me a fried chicken dinner from Harold's Chicken Shack w/ a side of fried okra. I devoured it. Have not eaten since 11PM last night.

626 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:47:13pm
627 Jim D  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:47:34pm

re: #621 Sharmuta

I'd vote for you.

628 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:48:00pm

re: #627 Jim D

Thanks!

629 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:48:17pm

Today is my baby's birthday. She is 22. I told her to get herself an ice cream and she went out and got an adult beverage instead.

630 Wishing  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:48:34pm

re: #621 Sharmuta

Also- a friend of mine told me years ago I couldn't be a politician because I had too much integrity. Later, another friend, who is politically active, told me I would never get anywhere in politics because I'm not purchasable (think tfk's evil money cult). If you don't kiss up to special interests, you don't get the money. I'm not interested in selling out to lobbyists.

Look Sharmuta, this country is ready to throw the bums out, or almost ready, at least. Work at the local level, make the impact there. (all politics is local and all)
Just try it Sharm...you might be pleasantly surprised.
I don't think Palin sold out. And you are smarter.

631 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:48:34pm

re: #586 SpaceJesus

Thank you for that post, SJ. Everyone please watch SJ's video, its very good. British MPs are often very good to watch, as their Parliamentary style encourages quick wits and a good speaking style. And please upding SpaceJesus for posting it; For once he has earned praise rather than scorn.

632 kansas  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:48:39pm

re: #626 Iron Fist

Frankly, you should find some way to get rid of this fucker. It is a dangerous precedent to set, trying to enforce a law that your own AG is telling you is unconstitutional. My biggest disappointment in Bush was when he signed McCain-Feingold while he was counting on the Supreme Court throwing it out.

That was dereliction of duty. It was failing to do right by his oath to defend the Constitution. It was a failure of leadership.

Defend the Constitution? I thought Obama said he would execute it?

633 Afrocity  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:48:41pm

re: #621 Sharmuta

Also- a friend of mine told me years ago I couldn't be a politician because I had too much integrity. Later, another friend, who is politically active, told me I would never get anywhere in politics because I'm not purchasable (think tfk's evil money cult). If you don't kiss up to special interests, you don't get the money. I'm not interested in selling out to lobbyists.

Purchasable? what does that mean.

634 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:49:19pm

re: #633 Afrocity

Purchasable? what does that mean.

Democrat.

/Bad Blondie, bad...

635 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:49:24pm

re: #633 Afrocity

Purchasable? what does that mean.

The lobbyists wouldn't be able to control me.

636 hazzyday  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:49:50pm

re: #621 Sharmuta

Also- a friend of mine told me years ago I couldn't be a politician because I had too much integrity. Later, another friend, who is politically active, told me I would never get anywhere in politics because I'm not purchasable (think tfk's evil money cult). If you don't kiss up to special interests, you don't get the money. I'm not interested in selling out to lobbyists.

Wouldn't Mandy Manners take care of all the whacking you needed done? Let someone else do the heavy lifting while you give directions.

637 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:49:54pm

re: #616 hazzyday

Space Jesus AKA Alex Jones. :-)

?

638 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:50:03pm

re: #634 Chicago Blonde

Democrat.

/Bad Blondie, bad...

I dinged you up for the humor, but bear in mind it's not exclusive to the dems.

639 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:50:26pm

re: #629 Alouette

Today is my baby's birthday. She is 22. I told her to get herself an ice cream and she went out and got an adult beverage instead.

Happy birthday! (For what it's worth, coming from me) :^)

640 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:50:40pm

re: #638 Sharmuta

I know. I'm just in a mood.

641 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:50:42pm
642 hazzyday  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:50:45pm

re: #633 Afrocity

Purchasable? what does that mean.

attractive stimulus packages.

643 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:51:08pm

re: #440 FrogMarch

Anyone have an e-mail to Gateway Pundit? I left the following in the comments:
Please reconsider linking to Infowars. Alex Jones runs Infowars and he is THE BIGGEST 9/11 Troofer out there.

He is a freak - a nut job, a paranoid schizophrenic, and an opportunistic liar. Anyone on the right who associates themselves with him is going to lose precious credibility.

I went to the Gateway Pundit post about the "Hitler Youth", and couldn't find any links to infowars. Did I miss that link?

644 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:51:19pm

re: #631 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for that post, SJ. Everyone please watch SJ's video, its very good. British MPs are often very good to watch, as their Parliamentary style encourages quick wits and a good speaking style. And please upding SpaceJesus for posting it; For once he has earned praise rather than scorn.


notice the lack of a telepromter here. I love this man.

"you cannot spend your way out of a recession, you cannot borrow your way out of debt."

let's amend the constitution so he can run for president.

645 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:52:08pm

Moving upthread.

646 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:52:40pm

re: #641 buzzsawmonkey

It may perhaps be unpopular in this thread to say it, but one of the greatest fallacies of modern society is the notion that human beings are rational. They are not.

Human beings are capable of rationality, if trained in the exercise of rational thought and given the tools to do so. But we are also creatures of our emotions, our dreams, our hormones and urges, etc.--which are not rational and which are only intermittently, and by an effort of will, controllable by the rational portion of the mind.

My late father, a chemist and physicist, once observed to me that he and his colleagues used to believe in their youth that rationality would ultimately vanquish the non-rational aspect of human behavior. "We were wrong," he said to me. "If you try to eliminate the non-rational with the rational, all you get is bad science."

What he meant by this was that if repressed, the non-rational aspect of the human animal would attach itself to the putatively rational--and you would get conspiracy theories about chem trails, UFOs, carcinogenic cell phones, etc. The rational and the non-rational would meld, and the non-rational would corrupt the rational.

The non-rational, he said, was like a universal solvent--something which dissolves anything it touches. The challenge with a universal solvent is to find the vessel that could contain it safely, and allow it to be harnessed for social use. The only vessel which had ever been found to safely contain human non-rationality so that it could harnessed for social good was--religion. Not always perfectly; there have been splashes, spills, breakages and misuse over the centuries. But it still is the only vessel which can even somewhat reliably contain and harness the non-rational impulses of the human being.

This may not be popular to post in an ID thread, but it is all the more necessary to post for that reason. He favored--and I agree--strict separation of the rational (science) from the non-rational, so that both could flourish productively according to their natures, and could not corrupt each other.

That's pretty damned bright; "universal solvent" is an excellent image for the irrational (and yet necessary) component of our minds.

647 freetoken  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:52:43pm

re: #605 Zimriel

Homo sapiens are more violent and selfish than chimpanzees... IMO. We are quite the aggressive primates. Well, so are baboons... but they never figured out how to walk upright, so we beat them too.

648 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:52:45pm

re: #586 SpaceJesus

[Video]

Good grief, SpaceJ - I had to upding that, this is a great video.

649 SteveC  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:52:49pm

re: #633 Afrocity

Purchasable? what does that mean.

Dishonest lobbyist: "So, how much would it take to get you to vote "yes" on Proposition 1277?"

Average politician: "How much you got?"

Sharmuta: "How did you get here? That's probably the best way to get out."

650 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:53:20pm

re: #610 hazzyday

He is on the hook in the media this week. We had a 2 week long session of snow and ice. Seattlites panic at a tenth of an inch or snow or sunshine. Just not used to it. Anyway we had 4-10 inches. The politically correct county government bought politically correct buses that could no longer navigate snowy streets. They are built too low to the ground. They had to ground a portion of the bus fleet. The county roads were salted and plowed. The city decided that salt and snowplows with an edge to them were harmful to the environment and left the streets pretty much unplowed. EXCEPT the mayor's and mayor's top staff streets were plowed, the sidewalks were cleared, while the rest of the city was left to fall on their ass until the shocking effect of the sun melted a lot of it.

Nickels is going to find out what Michael Blandic here in Chicago found out in the early 80's: voters will pitch you out on your ear if you can't keep the streets clear. Blandic failed to clear up a nasty 1979 snowstorm and Jane Byrne turned him out in the next election.

651 Chicago Blonde  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:53:34pm

And I need to get going, guys. Have a good night everyone. Weet Dreams all.

652 SteveC  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:54:07pm

re: #636 hazzyday

Wouldn't Mandy Manners take care of all the whacking you needed done? Let someone else do the heavy lifting while you give directions.

Mandy can whack like Babe f'n Ruth. I don't think you teach that skill.

653 Arby Dwiar  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:54:35pm

re: #641 buzzsawmonkey

It may perhaps be unpopular in this thread to say it, but one of the greatest fallacies of modern society is the notion that human beings are rational. They are not.

Human beings are capable of rationality, if trained in the exercise of rational thought and given the tools to do so. But we are also creatures of our emotions, our dreams, our hormones and urges, etc.--which are not rational and which are only intermittently, and by an effort of will, controllable by the rational portion of the mind.

My late father, a chemist and physicist, once observed to me that he and his colleagues used to believe in their youth that rationality would ultimately vanquish the non-rational aspect of human behavior. "We were wrong," he said to me. "If you try to eliminate the non-rational with the rational, all you get is bad science."

What he meant by this was that if repressed, the non-rational aspect of the human animal would attach itself to the putatively rational--and you would get conspiracy theories about chem trails, UFOs, carcinogenic cell phones, etc. The rational and the non-rational would meld, and the non-rational would corrupt the rational.

The non-rational, he said, was like a universal solvent--something which dissolves anything it touches. The challenge with a universal solvent is to find the vessel that could contain it safely, and allow it to be harnessed for social use. The only vessel which had ever been found to safely contain human non-rationality so that it could harnessed for social good was--religion. Not always perfectly; there have been splashes, spills, breakages and misuse over the centuries. But it still is the only vessel which can even somewhat reliably contain and harness the non-rational impulses of the human being.

This may not be popular to post in an ID thread, but it is all the more necessary to post for that reason. He favored--and I agree--strict separation of the rational (science) from the non-rational, so that both could flourish productively according to their natures, and could not corrupt each other.

Wow.

Cut, copy, and paste.

Lots to study here. Thanks and an upding.

654 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:54:50pm
655 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:54:57pm

re: #621 Sharmuta

Also- a friend of mine told me years ago I couldn't be a politician because I had too much integrity. Later, another friend, who is politically active, told me I would never get anywhere in politics because I'm not purchasable (think tfk's evil money cult). If you don't kiss up to special interests, you don't get the money. I'm not interested in selling out to lobbyists.

Oh, you're better than me. I'd take their money. And then I'd take money from their opponents. I'd return the different to the higher bidder and judge the case on its merits.

But the reason I'd never win is simple. "You pathetic apes disgust me. I can't believe the nonsense you're trying to pull. You have no personal responsibility, and your dress sense is most un-fabulous. VOTE FOR ZIMRIEL -all you primitive screw-heads"

656 Salamantis  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:55:08pm

We proceed from premises to conclusions with our minds, but we tend to choose, frequently unwisely, which premises we embrace with our hearts.

657 Salamantis  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:56:54pm

re: #654 Iron Fist

Ah, you mean have I renounced Satan and all of his works? You see, that is why, for you, evolution is a religious faith. Sharmuta complained earlier about having to face a "purity test". And now you present me with your purity test. It is not enough that I disagree with the Young Earth Creationists, or that I agree that this shouldn't be taught in a science class. You bark out your own dogma and require that I conform to your faith.

Non servium.

Nope; faith is that which is held in the ABSENCE of empirical evidence; I am asking you whether or not you accept its PRESENCE.

Big honking difference.

658 Zimriel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:56:57pm

re: #641 buzzsawmonkey

It may perhaps be unpopular in this thread to say it, but one of the greatest fallacies of modern society is the notion that human beings are rational. They are not.
...
This may not be popular to post in an ID thread, but it is all the more necessary to post for that reason. He favored--and I agree--strict separation of the rational (science) from the non-rational, so that both could flourish productively according to their natures, and could not corrupt each other.

That was the basis for my argument. But you made it with fewer snide remarks. :^)

659 reine.de.tout  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:57:01pm

re: #641 buzzsawmonkey

I think your late father was a very very very smart man.
But I'm sure you know that already.

660 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:58:36pm

re: #647 freetoken

Homo sapiens are more violent and selfish than chimpanzees... IMO. We are quite the aggressive primates. Well, so are baboons... but they never figured out how to walk upright, so we beat them too.

Burroughs, Coming of the Purple Better One":

“Ladies and gentlemen it is my coveted privilege and deep honor to introduce to you the distinguished Senator and former Justice of the Supreme Court Homer Mandrill known to his many friends as the Purple Better One. No doubt most of you are familiar with a book called African Genesis written by Robert Ardrey a native son of Chicago and I may add a true son of America. I quote from Mr. Ardrey’s penetrating work: ‘When I was a boy in Chicago I attended the Sunday School of a neighborhood Presbyterian church. I recall our Wednesday-night meetings with the simplest nostalgia. We would meet in the basement. There would be a short prayer and a shorter benediction. And we would turn out all the lights and in total darkness hit each other with chairs.’
“Mr. Ardrey’s early training tempered his character to face and make known the truth about the origins and nature of mankind. ‘Not in innocence and not in Asia was mankind born. The home of our fathers was the African highland on a sky-swept savannah glowing with menace. The most significant of all our gifts was the legacy bequeathed us by our immediate forebears a race of terrestrial, flesh-eating killer apes . . . Raymond A. Dart of the University Of Johannesburg was
the strident voice from South Africa that would prove the southern ape to be the human ancestor. Dart put forward the simple thesis that Man emerged from the anthropoid background for one reason only: because he was a killer. A rock, a stick, a heavy bone was to our ancestral killer ape the margin of survival . . .And he said that since we had tried everything else we might in last resort try the truth . . .Man’s original nature imposes itself on any human solution.’
“The aggressive southern ape suh, glowing with menace, fought your battles on the perilous veldts of Africa 500,000 years ago. Had he not done so you would not be living here in this great city in this great land of America raising your happy families in peace and prosperity. Who more fitted to represent our glorious Simian heritage than Homer Mandrill himself a descendant of that illustrious line? Who else can restore to this nation the spirit of true conservatism that imposes itself on any human solution? What candidate is better fitted for the highest office in the land at a time when this great republic is threatened by enemies foreign and domestic? Actually, there can be only one candidate: The Purple Batter One your future President.”
To “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” an American flag is drawn aside revealing a purple-assed mandrill (thunderous applause). Led to the mike by Secret Service men in dark suits that bulge suggestively here and there the Purple Better One blinks in bewilderment.

661 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:59:35pm

re: #655 Zimriel

Oh, you're better than me. I'd take their money. And then I'd take money from their opponents. I'd return the different to the higher bidder and judge the case on its merits.

But the reason I'd never win is simple. "You pathetic apes disgust me. I can't believe the nonsense you're trying to pull. You have no personal responsibility, and your dress sense is most un-fabulous. VOTE FOR ZIMRIEL -all you primitive screw-heads"

People of Earth! Set down your crack pipes and beer-bongs and pay attention!

662 HelloDare  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 6:59:44pm

re: #586 SpaceJesus

I won't disown Obama - yet
Posted By: Daniel Hannan at Mar 22, 2009

Several of you are pestering me to turn against Barack Obama. "C'mon, Tory boy", you cry, "still think he's the messiah?"

There's no point in repeating that my support for the man was faute-de-mieux, that I strongly supported GOP Congressional candidates and that, far from believing Obama was the messiah, I kept citing the millenarianism of his supporters as one of the main arguments against him. This is a blog, after all, and blogs allow no shades of gray. Once I had declared for him, qualified as my declaration was, I became an "Obamaniac" - which attitude, by the way, neatly demonstrates the with-us-or-against-us bellicosity that has put so many Republicans off their party.

So, have I changed my mind? Well, I won't deny that Obama has done plenty of irritating things, ranging from the idiotic stimulus package to the way he dissed the Prime Minister (yes, I know the man's a clot, Mr President, but he's our clot; and, tired as you may have been, I suspect the Royal Marines in their Forward Operating Bases in Helmand, fighting a war that few of your allies will touch, are pretty drowsy too).

On the other hand, the US remains more popular than it has been for years, and Obama's own approval ratings, though fallen, are well above the vote he received in November.

The only fair answer I can give is that it's too early to say. As Andrew Sullivan puts it in today's Sunday Times:

In an age of 24-hour news channels, millions of blogs and columnists vying to stay above the bloggerrhoeic tide, there is a real urge to make a clear and instant judgment.

I'm not going to do it, because, two months after a president has taken office in the middle of a global financial and economic crisis, as he grapples with two unending wars and a battered constitution, the whole idea of a definitive judgment is loopy. It's also likely to be wrong. If you had judged the last Bush administration at this point, you would have said it was much better than expected.

I can't put it better any better than that. Sorry, guys: you'll have to come back and ask me in few months' time.

663 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:00:58pm
664 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:01:14pm

Back to the main topic...

It is a great sign of how anti-intellectual has this country is that a beauty contestant or a local preacher (as in not a scientist) gets the same footing as a science professor in any sort of science debate?

How folksy!

How stupid.

Call me elitist and arrogant - I really don't care, but Miss Creation and Rev. Bob do not have the qualifications to render an opinion. They should be firmly told to show a little respect by shutting up.

I am very tired of the resentment this nation feels towards those who have actually taken the time to learn something and know what they are talking about. It is frankly an insult. The scientific community should not be treated like supplicants. Our technology, economy, military strength, agriculture and medicine rest on the scientific community.

I have frequently had a certain Ann Rand thought. Imagine if all the techies and scientists told all of those good folksy people to run all of their own tech, treat their own wounds and build their own buildings (let alone power them). Let all of the congressmen chase their fanciful charlatan science dreams, like psychic warriors, anti grav saucers and perpetual motion... Let all of the people from Wall Street who want to lecture us that economic "realities" trump the laws of physics, chemistry or biology (and we listen and do nothing). Let all of the preachers lecture us about their biblical "realities" trumping the laws of science (and we listen and do nothing).

Ahhh then we wait a few years for the Chinese to take over...

The reason we don't do it, is because we have to live here too - even with morons like the ones in Texas.

665 avanti  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:03:55pm

re: #613 jcm

The News' 8' guns are awesome. 8" cased rounds, 20 rounds per minute per gun, 9 guns - 180 8" rounds a minute.

Yep, we could put a lot more ordnance on a target per minute then the New Jersey. Some day I'll scan my old pictures and 8 MM movies and put them up on the web.

666 Guanxi88  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:06:26pm

re: #665 avanti

Yep, we could put a lot more ordnance on a target per minute then the New Jersey. Some day I'll scan my old pictures and 8 MM movies and put them up on the web.

By all means, please do. I fear the loss of so much of the history that was documented by regular people.

667 iLikeCandy  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:06:38pm

re: #575 LudwigVanQuixote

There is also the serious issue that wanting the President to fail in these difficult times means that you hope everything gets worse for America. Love Obama or hate him, if he fails as president, then this country will suffer for it.

The short form of it is that Republicans who say this would rather have America suffer for their own political gain then America succeed under someone else. To say that this is unpatriotic would be an understatement. It shows where these people place their priorities and frankly means that they serve themselves before they serve America.

Dare I say that this is a disqualification from office?

Stop stop STOP. Since when is it that wanting Obama to fail means that you want America to fail? My friend, we are a nation of laws, not men. Equating Obama with the nation is what the Democrats misguidedly do in their cultish thralldom.

Obama has awful schemes on American and I want him to fail at them: I want him to be strong-armed into accepting a conservative agenda, or at least into compromising with it. I want him to fail on socializing health care, punishing industry and consumers with climate control taxes, and handing us over to our enemies abroad. He comes into office with big ideas about how he's going to "heal" us and "change" us and transform the world. I want the bastard to fail at all this and cave to the Paul Ryans and Michele Bachmanns. I want David Petraeus to thrash him into breaking his promises to get us out of Iraq by some date on the calendar, and I want him to fail on his dumbass pledge to meet personally, without preconditions, with the worst tyrants on the planet. I want him busted out of office by 2012 at the latest with an EPIC FAIL sign taped to his back while Democrats wail and gnash their teeth and America wipes its brow and says "Phew! Close call."

668 iLikeCandy  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:07:31pm

Oh great while I was typing that a new thread with 69 comments showed up.

669 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:11:08pm
It’s sad and infuriating that in so many states, the Republican Party is now dominated by fanatics who want to ... ruin science education in America.

...[a]nd destroy any chance of even running a successful liberal Republican in 2012. While it's quite true that I am no fan of the GOP, it is becoming increasingly clear that the Democrats under Obama are on a slippery slope. Guiliani was and continued to be *my* choice for POTUS till the bitter end. The kind of PR that will be generated by this creationist nonsense will wreak havoc on the GOP come election time. Still, however, the worst part of all this is the dumbing down of America's kids, and the continual blurring of the separation of church and state.

670 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:14:39pm

re: #614 Afrocity

We are in a post Obama world. No I am not joking.

Potato Day? Surely, you jest. St Patrick's day & Bushmills go so well together, but potato and Bushmills? Does. Not. Compute.

671 traderjoe9  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:15:48pm

re: #537 kansas

Or evolution could be negative as medical science allows those who would have died to have defective offspring. Or for example when Koskids breed with Huffpo morons.

Oy vey. That's absolutely frightening.

672 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:15:52pm

re: #73 Sharmuta

Absolutely! It's a slippery slope, and they are either ignorant of this fact or they just don't care.

These folks simply want Christianity taught in public schools. End of story.

673 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:17:53pm

re: #662 HelloDare

I won't disown Obama - yet
Posted By: Daniel Hannan at Mar 22, 2009

Several of you are pestering me to turn against Barack Obama. "C'mon, Tory boy", you cry, "still think he's the messiah?"

There's no point in repeating that my support for the man was faute-de-mieux, that I strongly supported GOP Congressional candidates and that, far from believing Obama was the messiah, I kept citing the millenarianism of his supporters as one of the main arguments against him. This is a blog, after all, and blogs allow no shades of gray. Once I had declared for him, qualified as my declaration was, I became an "Obamaniac" - which attitude, by the way, neatly demonstrates the with-us-or-against-us bellicosity that has put so many Republicans off their party.

So, have I changed my mind? Well, I won't deny that Obama has done plenty of irritating things, ranging from the idiotic stimulus package to the way he dissed the Prime Minister (yes, I know the man's a clot, Mr President, but he's our clot; and, tired as you may have been, I suspect the Royal Marines in their Forward Operating Bases in Helmand, fighting a war that few of your allies will touch, are pretty drowsy too).

On the other hand, the US remains more popular than it has been for years, and Obama's own approval ratings, though fallen, are well above the vote he received in November.

The only fair answer I can give is that it's too early to say. As Andrew Sullivan puts it in today's Sunday Times:

In an age of 24-hour news channels, millions of blogs and columnists vying to stay above the bloggerrhoeic tide, there is a real urge to make a clear and instant judgment.

I'm not going to do it, because, two months after a president has taken office in the middle of a global financial and economic crisis, as he grapples with two unending wars and a battered constitution, the whole idea of a definitive judgment is loopy. It's also likely to be wrong. If you had judged the last Bush administration at this point, you would have said it was much better than expected.

I can't put it better any better than that. Sorry, guys: you'll have to come back and ask me in few months' time.


Yep, and I agree with him as I do with Charles saying "give him a chance."

your thoughts?

674 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:18:36pm

re: #78 Wishing

Creationists, at least the ones I know, would be horrified if they realized they were opening the door to Islam being taught to their children. They are honestly ignorant, not stupid.
The stupidity comes in when they refuse to do their own research, but rather accept the Pastor's word for it.

They're perfectly happy, though, to insist that their religion should be taught to my children. Screw 'em. I mean that in the nicest possible way.

675 [deleted]  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:19:33pm
676 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:23:25pm

re: #186 Walter L. Newton

And I replied. Five gallons, I don't know, I'm a guy. It's a really big Le Creuset soup pot, 5 gallons, 5 quarts, all I know is it makes about 10 bowls of soup.

Five quarts. Five gallons, you can make soup for the whole barn-raisin'.

677 jcm  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:26:09pm

re: #665 avanti

Yep, we could put a lot more ordnance on a target per minute then the New Jersey. Some day I'll scan my old pictures and 8 MM movies and put them up on the web.

That I would love to see! As much as the wagons were impressive, quantity has a quality all it's own!

678 Basho  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:26:43pm

re: #586 SpaceJesus

Whoa... That was the greatest thing of all greatest things ever...

679 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:28:10pm

re: #309 alegrias

* * * *
Well leftists demanded such ancient images--stained glass or statuary-- be removed from thousand year old cathedrals in Spain so as not to offend today's moslems.

Really? Where? Tourist board must have loved that.

680 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:33:34pm

re: #348 DistantThunder

A Big fat elderly woman - I'm sure it's captivating. It's just grossly inappropriate. There is more and more sex ed curriculum on the web that students could access. My son has to do a series of math exercises every night at a site called Study Island which forwards the results to the teacher. I think that would be a very appropriate method of teaching sex ed as well.

The kids do actually like to be able to ask teachers questions, though. When I was teaching at Catholic middle school, the math teacher/VP did sex ed in snippets through the year, and sometimes they'd bring things into my class. Unless I was really sure of the answer, I usually directed them to the science teacher. (She loved me.)

681 lostlakehiker  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:43:53pm

re: #667 iLikeCandy

Stop stop STOP. Since when is it that wanting Obama to fail means that you want America to fail? My friend, we are a nation of laws, not men. Equating Obama with the nation is what the Democrats misguidedly do in their cultish thralldom.

Obama has awful schemes on American and I want him to fail at them: I want him to be strong-armed into accepting a conservative agenda, or at least into compromising with it. I want him to fail on socializing health care, punishing industry and consumers with climate control taxes, and handing us over to our enemies abroad. He comes into office with big ideas about how he's going to "heal" us and "change" us and transform the world. I want the bastard to fail at all this and cave to the Paul Ryans and Michele Bachmanns. I want David Petraeus to thrash him into breaking his promises to get us out of Iraq by some date on the calendar, and I want him to fail on his dumbass pledge to meet personally, without preconditions, with the worst tyrants on the planet. I want him busted out of office by 2012 at the latest with an EPIC FAIL sign taped to his back while Democrats wail and gnash their teeth and America wipes its brow and says "Phew! Close call."

You make the mistake of thinking that the average voter wants to read a long essay about just exactly what "fail" means. Fail means fail. Obama succeeds at being president if in the end his administration is judged a success, even if that success came as a result of his being forced off agenda when it comes to his numerous unreasonable schemes. He succeeds if the economy recovers, even if the path to recovery leads through defeats in Congress for some of his tax "reforms" or his plan to nationalize health care.

People know what "succeed" means. It's nothing subtle, and it has little to do with success at carrying through the plan you start with. I succeed in a chess game, even if events force me way off my game plan, if I somehow or other scramble and claw my way to a win.

In this simple, plain-english sense, I hope Obama succeeds. I believe that he cannot succeed unless most of his plans are never enacted, or enacted with major revisions, checks, and balances. I fear the consequences of adapting those plans. But if they do get enacted, I'd rather they not drag his presidency and our nation down into ruin. Instead, I hope that he'll make adjustments in the game plan as their unintended and unhappy consequences show up, and somehow or other scramble and save his presidency and our asses.

682 abu jimbola  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:53:11pm

To me it is just beyond stupid to teach this bone-headed crap in schools.

Not that I like O, but he is absolutely right when he says that America is falling behind in educating its children, particularly in the critical areas of science and math. Further, if we really want to see the end of cancer or significant reductions in other diseases, this will require high levels of scientific and particularly biological literacy... all if which is soundly grounded on DNA, genetics and the evolutionary principals behind life.

If you want to teach creationism, keep it in the churches where it belongs, but don't expect your kids get farther than baristas in their lives.

683 Pietr  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 7:53:20pm

AVANTI:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I normally give GAZE Avanti-but you said you SLEW fishing boats alongside a Hvy Cruiser with 3 in guns. Now, I'm a dumb ole retired AF E-7, and I didn't know you could depress a 3 inch gun that much-to sink a fishing boat against your hull! You claim to be en ET, but say that "the radar was off", BS-Passive is always on and the Elec. Officer/crew would have been monitoring emissions-of ALL types-I worked signal intelligence, as a Tech-so don't BS me. And the Wiki article only mentions 17 sunken 'wiblics' as you call them being sunk, with 14 damaged. The key word is LOGISTICS on those wiblics-do you know what that means?

684 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 8:12:02pm

re: #289 Bloodnok

Why does the fellow to 0bama's left have two hands?

FAUX

The guy behind him is his best friend?

685 BadShot  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 8:17:05pm

re: #575 LudwigVanQuixote

That's just not true. Saying they want Obama to fail does not equate with wanting America to fail. It only means they don't want him to succeed in implementing his evil plans...that's all. I've heard them explain it and that's what they mean.

686 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 8:19:16pm

re: #660 Guanxi88

Wow.

687 Mr Secul  Wed, Mar 25, 2009 10:58:09pm

re: #73 Sharmuta

Absolutely! It's a slippery slope, and they are either ignorant of this fact or they just don't care.

That's the perennial question, are Creationists: stupid? ignorant? or Dishonest?

Time and time again, anyone who has dealings with them comes to ask that question.

688 Yashmak  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 7:29:12am

I've been long considering moving to Texas in the future, especially now that I have a kid on the way.

But I won't take my family to a state that has inserted religion into a science class. That's as bad as the politicized liberal nonsense taught in California's schools. . .which is what I'd be moving away from.

689 karl__lembke  Thu, Mar 26, 2009 9:32:06am

There's a Dr. David Shormann who's been writing articles against evolution and urging that the Texas Board vote to "teach the weaknesses". I've blogged about a couple of his pieces here, here, and here.


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