Sarah Palin: Shakespeare Did It Too, You Meanies

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Sarah Palin was miffed that people noticed her usage of a completely imaginary word (“refudiate” — English First!), and posted this pouty tweet comparing herself to the English language’s greatest playwright, William Shakespeare:

“Refudiate,” “misunderestimate,” “wee-wee’d up.” English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!

This led to the hilarious #shakespalin hash tag on Twitter, for which we thank the former governor.

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642 comments
1 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:05:39pm

embiggen :)

2 webevintage  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:05:39pm

I’m reading them out to my husband and son and they are rotfl….

3 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:06:51pm

I have been laughing so hard.

This isn’t the first time Sarah has provided a day of laughs. The palm thingy was pretty good to ya know!

4 reginald perrin  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:06:53pm

To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether ‘tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous outrage

5 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:07:20pm

I am sorry this is too good to resist. Madam you are no Shakespeare. Nor will ever come close.

6 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:07:54pm

Charles - if you would, post the # of links to LGF because you were the one who saved the screenshot of the first (deleted) tweet?

7 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:09:52pm

“I iz nawt ileeterit! I iz leiks Shakes Pear!”

8 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:09:58pm

re: #5 PhillyPretzel

I am sorry this is too good to resist. Madam you are no Shakespeare. Nor will ever come close.

/you forgot the I knew Shakespeare, and you are no Shakespeare part… LOL

9 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:10:06pm

I’m sick of the flagrous incontempt of this woman.

10 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:10:20pm

That there is some funny funny stuff!

11 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:10:38pm

re: #5 PhillyPretzel

I am sorry this is too good to resist. Madam you are no Shakespeare. Nor will ever come close.

Moreover, she’s no George W. Bush. Whatever you think of Bush the Younger, one has to admit that he handled his occasional malapropisms with humor and class. He never got mad at the media for his own miscues. Sarah Palin, by contrast, blames others when she screws up. In that she shows her self to be a lesser person than Bush and more on the level of John “f’in’ Kerry.

12 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:10:59pm

re: #6 Stanley Sea

Charles - if you would, post the # of links to LGF because you were the one who saved the screenshot of the first (deleted) tweet?

littlegreenfootballs.com

13 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:11:17pm

Something tells me that games of Scarbble must be pretty wild in the Palin household….

14 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:12:26pm

re: #13 jamesfirecat
Yes. They do not use a dictionary.

15 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:12:53pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Fucking a. Thanks Killgore!

16 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:12:56pm

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

Moreover, she’s no George W. Bush. Whatever you think of Bush the Younger, one has to admit that he handled his occasional malapropisms with humor and class. He never got mad at the media for his own miscues. Sarah Palin, by contrast, blames others when she screws up. In that she shows her self to be a lesser person than Bush and more on the level of John “f’in’ Kerry.

“Is our children Learning?” Mr. President I have a huge staff of writers, you don’t need to pitch me softballs like this! I can’t even make it funnier by taking it out of context! This could be properly handled by the Schmailey Schmow!

Jon Stewart

17 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:13:07pm

Palin loves to Twitulate us with her clevernations.

18 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:13:11pm

/you know wee-wee’d up probably started as wee-wee’d up a rope… just asying

19 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:14:39pm

LOL!
The rotating title says
“Exceedingly scary.”

Perfect!

20 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:15:09pm

re: #13 jamesfirecat

Something tells me that games of Scarbble must be pretty wild in the Palin household…

/the hand carved moose bone tiles are one of a kind…

21 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:15:43pm

I used to love the Sniglets segment on an old comedy show on Showtime, I think it was. Forget the show… maybe it was SNL but don’t think so. Then Foxworthy brought the … ahem, ‘art’ back a la redneck style.

22 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:18:38pm

re: #13 jamesfirecat

Something tells me that games of Scarbble must be pretty wild in the Palin household…

“Scarbble”?
Must be pretty wild at your house too.
bwahahahaha!

23 Professor Chaos  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:18:43pm

re: #21 BigPapa

I used to love the Sniglets segment on an old comedy show on Showtime, I think it was. Forget the show… maybe it was SNL but don’t think so. Then Foxworthy brought the … ahem, ‘art’ back a la redneck style.

Not Necessarily the News.

24 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:19:27pm

re: #22 reine.de.tout

“Scarbble”?
Must be pretty wild at your house too.
bwahahahaha!

I missed that one. Darn it has been a long day.

25 shai_au  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:19:54pm

Once again she seeks attention, and once again she get it.

Although the Shakespeare thing is pretty funny, I’ll give it that. :)

26 shai_au  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:20:29pm

re: #25 shai_au

Once again she seeks attention, and once again she get it.

Although the Shakespeare thing is pretty funny, I’ll give it that. :)

Gets. GETS.

AAAARRRGH

/dies

27 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:21:02pm

re: #24 PhillyPretzel

I missed that one. Darn it has been a long day.

It is actually wild at my house. The Roi cannot spell. He tries to “use” me as his dictionary.
“Is suchandsuch a word? How is it spelled?”.
I don’t play along with that. He’s on his own.

28 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:21:05pm

And for your moment of zen WTF?

Fuckin’ Westerns, how do they work?

Youtube Video

/ur doin it rong

29 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:22:43pm

re: #27 reine.de.tout
I do not play Scrabble with my sister. She makes up her own words especially when a triple word score is up for grabs.

30 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:23:46pm

re: #28 Slumbering Behemoth

And for your moment of zen WTF?

Fuckin’ Westerns, how do they work?


[Video]

/ur doin it rong

just trivia but Rong is a popular girls name in Chinese…

31 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:23:56pm

re: #29 PhillyPretzel

I do not play Scrabble with my sister. She makes up her own words especially when a triple word score is up for grabs.

I’ll admit to doing that on occasion. The thing is … I can usually fool the Roi. But he can never fool me. heheheheheh.

32 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:24:22pm
“Oh lame new world that has such people in it.” #Shakespalin
33 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:25:27pm

re: #30 brookly red

More trivia: “Park” is a Korean surname as common as “Smith”.

34 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:25:49pm

English is a “living” language? But I thought she was a strict constructionist?
/

35 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:26:01pm

My favorite is still:

Alas, poor Couric!

36 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:26:08pm

re: #22 reine.de.tout

“Scarbble”?
Must be pretty wild at your house too.
bwahahahaha!

ahahah, James, old boy, you just got served.

37 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:26:22pm

re: #33 Slumbering Behemoth

More trivia: “Park” is a Korean surname as common as “Smith”.

yes they had a President Park IIRC

38 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:27:18pm

re: #14 PhillyPretzel

They use a fictionary instead.

39 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:28:14pm

Beer butt chicken update.

What a pita, but now all is good. I used to have a really simple apt. sized grill, bbc - no problem. Now with the big huge fancy gas grill - fire! fell over! too hot!

40 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:30:27pm

re: #38 Irenicum
Interesting word game.

encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com

41 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:30:45pm

Modernity and the Muslims
A transcript of a discussion at St. Francis College

FRED SIEGEL: Islam, like any other religious tradition, comprises a variety of strands. Understanding Islam is made all the more difficult because Islam does not distinguish between a ritual law in the Western sense, ethics, and good manners. I hope that we will distinguish a bit of that now. But, painting in broad strokes, it’s fair to say that tension between the Arab Islamic world and the liberal versions of modernity is one of the central issues, if not the central issue, of our era…

LEE SMITH: Fred Siegel was talking about modernism. In Lebanon, what we saw and continue to see is real conflict between what I would consider the forces of a positive modernity, in terms of the pro-democracy March 14 movement—a positive manifestation of Arab/Islamic modernity—and its enemy Hezbollah. This is a place where you see most clearly these two different versions of modernity, the liberal and the antiliberal.

I tried to write not so much about Islam in my book for a number of reasons. Some have argued that political Islam is a deviant form of Islam, not the true traditional Islam. That’s not a discussion that I want to get involved with. That is an argument that has gone on in the Middle East in the Muslim world for 1,400 years. What’s the real Islam?…

IBN WARRAQ:The title of this book—Virgins? What Virgins? and Other Essays—refers to an article I wrote soon after 9/11 for the British daily newspaper the Guardian. It was the first discussion in English of the work of a scholar known as Christoph Luxenberg, who tried to show that the Koran was probably originally a document belonging to a Judeo-Christian sect written in Syriac, a language of the Near East. The article was picked up by a journalist at the New York Times, where it hit the front page, and then went around the world. The idea was that crucial passages in the Koran had been mistranslated, so that the martyrs—mistakenly called suicide bombers, but they’re essentially martyrs—found awaiting them in paradise not 72 virgins, but 72 raisins.

I wrote my first book, Why I Am Not a Muslim, in reaction to the Salman Rushdie affair. I felt that that many intellectuals blamed Rushdie for bringing the infamous fatwa back in 1989 onto himself. I thought that the same intellectuals were not willing to defend some basic principles, like freedom of expression, and especially freedom of speech. This shocked me so much that when I was given the opportunity to write, I jumped at the chance, and I have carried on ever since.

PAUL BERMAN:…I was a rioter at Columbia University in 1968. Among my professors there, with whom I studied the following year, when I was a sophomore, was the greatest professor I ever had and the one who most influenced my intellectual development because of how brilliant he was as a teacher and because of the approach to ideas and the history of ideas that he taught me to appreciate. This was Edward Said, who gave a course on modern literary criticism, which I took extremely seriously. I’ve come away thinking that Said was an outwardly contradictory man. He was someone who respected and loved what we call Western literature; yet he also managed to develop an ideology of his own after the period in which I studied with him. He developed an ideology, expressed in his book Orientalism, which in effect took all the great issues shaking up the Middle East and, by extension, other parts of the world, and attributed them to Europe or to the West or to Western imperialism. Said managed to create an ideology in which people in the Middle East, or the great majority of the people in the Middle East, lost responsibility for their own situation, which could be attributed entirely to the actions of the West…

42 Professor Chaos  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:31:04pm
DeGrootD When Mccain to desperation succumbs, Something wicked this way comes. #shakespalin less than 20 seconds ago via web

This is great stuff.

43 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:31:35pm

re: #40 PhillyPretzel

Oh that sounds really cool! I would totally love playing that game.

44 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:32:35pm

“A moose! A moose! My speaking fees for a moose!”

45 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:32:43pm

re: #42 Girth

This is great stuff.

what fools these mortals be…

46 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:33:12pm

A ShakesPalin thread. Now this could be fun.

47 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:33:14pm

Here are Thanos’ latest tweets or retweets:


Tarkloon

RT @studiomondeo: RT @mothercordes: Tea partying is such sweet sorrow. #shakespalin
half a minute ago via TweetDeck
Retweeted by you
Reply Retweeted (Undo)

Tarkloon
Though this be madness, yet there is poitbull in’t. #shakespalin
half a minute ago via TweetDeck
Retweeted by you

Tarkloon
Get thee to a nunn’ry, why woulds’t thou be a breeder of gaffes? #shakespalin

48 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:33:19pm

The Shakespeare whine must have come from an adviser; I doubt if Sarah could parse one couplet of one of Will’s simpler sonnets without a brain transplant.

49 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:35:14pm

re: #48 Cato the Elder

The Shakespeare whine must have come from an adviser; I doubt if Sarah could parse one couplet of one of Will’s simpler sonnets without a brain transplant.

one day she will get smart & have someone proof read before she hits send…

50 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:36:06pm

re: #48 Cato the Elder

Get on with it, then. If anyone could hilariously Palinize Shakespeare quotes I figure it’d be you.

51 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:36:54pm

The Bard must be rolling over several times over in his grave.

52 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:37:04pm

re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth

Get on with it, then. If anyone could hilariously Palinize Shakespeare quotes I figure it’d be you.

I second that

53 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:37:08pm

re: #51 PhillyPretzel

In laughter.

54 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:38:07pm

re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth

Get on with it, then. If anyone could hilariously Palinize Shakespeare quotes I figure it’d be you.

Agreed.

55 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:38:21pm

re: #53 Irenicum
Hmm. Probably right. He would be punning around.

56 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:39:10pm

One thing is certain: Palin is the most misundereducated woman in American politics today.

57 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:39:12pm

Ye gods, it doth amaze me,
A man of such a feeble temper should
So get the start of the majestic world,
And bear the Palin alone.

58 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:39:29pm

Bristol get thee to a Nunnery!

59 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:39:53pm

BBL, hopefully to return to a thread full of Cato’s Palinized quotes.

60 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:40:01pm

/well as someone who can’t spell fo shit, this kinda make me relate to her in a populist kinda way ;)

61 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:40:14pm

Palin’s allusion to Shakespeare reminded me of a Calvin & Hobbes strip in which Calvin says “You know how Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well mine are even worse!”

62 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:40:28pm

What country, friends, is this? This is delirium, lady.

63 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:40:34pm

My fave was “Frailty thy name is Bristol!”

64 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:41:22pm

re: #59 Slumbering Behemoth

BBL, hopefully to return to a thread full of Cato’s Palinized quotes.

Maybe but Cato never does what you want him to… Cato is not a respecter of persons.

65 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:41:24pm
A full term governor thinks himself to be wise, but a half-term governor knows herself to be a fool
66 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:42:04pm

re: #65 Thanos

Go Thanos!
Glad to here you’re feeling better!

67 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:42:08pm
To suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous liberals, or to quit halfterm, and by opposing, rake in speaking fees
68 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:42:10pm

Shakespeare ain’t just fer skolars anymore. Bringin it to the heartland!

69 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:42:30pm

re: #58 jamesfirecat

Bristol get thee to a Nunnery!

She’s already got a kid and she just got reengaged to Levi. He used much of the money from his various appearances to buy her an engagement ring.

70 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:43:06pm

Two parties both alike in indignity in fair Washington where we place our scene where ancient recount interrupts new election, where the course of our civil nation is determined by uncivil means.

71 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:43:11pm

Doctor: Wait a minute, Brian, you have a pre-existing relationship with this degenerate?
Peter: A degenerate, am I? Well you are a festizio! See, I can make up words too, sister.

72 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:43:25pm

“The English language be living: the Constitution, not!”

Sarah McPalin, 2010

73 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:44:18pm

re: #72 BigPapa

Hmm I think not. Both are living

74 Interesting Times  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:44:28pm
SP_Translator English is a living language. And, like all living things, I want to kill it with a gas-cooled Stoner 96 Light Machine Gun. #Shakespalin
75 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:44:32pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

She’s already got a kid and she just got reengaged to Levi. He used much of the money from his various appearances to buy her an engagement ring.

I wasn’t being serious in the suggestion, and “Frailty thy name is Bristol” works much better honestly.

76 fizzlogic  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:44:34pm

A freak tragedy unfolds before our eyes. It’ll be much worse when she wins the Presidency.

77 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:44:34pm

Et tu, Bristol?

78 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:44:59pm

re: #49 brookly red

one day she will get smart & have someone proof read before she hits send…

She was “off the reservation” as they say

79 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:45:01pm

re: #68 The Shadow Do

Shakespeare ain’t just fer skolars anymore. Bringin it to the heartland!

No. Way.

80 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:45:29pm

re: #71 Varek Raith

Doctor: Wait a minute, Brian, you have a pre-existing relationship with this degenerate?
Peter: A degenerate, am I? Well you are a festizio! See, I can make up words too, sister.

Varek, get thee thine Galaxy Gun. For I hath found a settlement in Alaska that needeth your special talents.

81 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:45:38pm

OMFG.
Why do my 5.1 speakers NOT LABEL which jack is for the sub, rear and front speakers?!?!
And why is the color code different than what’s on the soundcard?!
Took me an hour to sort that nonsense out.
9_9

82 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:46:06pm

re: #78 Stanley Sea

She was “off the reservation” as they say

first rule measure twice, cut once…

83 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:46:33pm

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

84 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:46:37pm
85 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:46:52pm

re: #65 Thanos

A full term governor thinks himself to be wise, but a half-term governor knows herself to be a fool

Thanos, thank you, thank you.

86 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:47:00pm

re: #82 brookly red

first rule measure twice, cut once…

Cut once and drywall tape the mistake.

87 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:47:38pm

re: #79 Nimed

This one’s even better! Romeo and Juliet, the Palin edition.

88 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:47:44pm

Palin, I see, is catching.

(BTW, these are all from Julius Caesar)

89 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:47:49pm
90 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:48:22pm

Clubs, bills, and partisans! strike! beat them down!
Down with the Capulets! down with the Montagues!

91 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:48:27pm

re: #84 MandyManners

You do know what that “nunnery” bit meant in Hamlet, don’t you?

I’ve heard it means whore house, but I wasn’t trying to use it in that context I was trying to make a joke on how Britsol teaches the importance of Abstience while having, well, you know.

92 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:48:31pm

re: #86 Varek Raith
Norm Abram would not like that one

93 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:49:09pm

re: #89 MandyManners

Man, I knew I was fucking up somewhere.

Holla, my #18 was for you…

94 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:49:10pm

re: #92 PhillyPretzel

Norm Abram would not like that one

Hehehehe.
There’s a name I haven’t heard in a while.

95 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:49:12pm

Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your fears.

96 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:49:44pm
97 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:50:12pm

re: #91 jamesfirecat

I’ve heard it means whore house, but I wasn’t trying to use it in that context I was trying to make a joke on how Britsol teaches the importance of Abstience while having, well, you know.

She made a mistake, but wants to make sure that others do not repeat it. To say “Do not repeat my error.” is not hypocritical.

98 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:50:23pm
99 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:50:40pm

re: #96 MandyManners

What?

While having gotten pregnant at a young age thus quite clearly being unable to “practice what she preaches” when it comes to Abstinence.

100 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:50:49pm

Fair
Temperature: 82°F
Feels Like: 88°
Details: Humid.
Humidity: 74%
Dew Point: 73°
Summer sucks.

101 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:50:58pm

re: #98 MandyManners

I don’t get it.

did you read it?

102 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:51:02pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

She made a mistake, but wants to make sure that others do not repeat it. To say “Do not repeat my error.” is not hypocritical.

Her KID is labeled a “mistake” as a result. And she got rich. Fail.

103 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:51:26pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

She made a mistake, but wants to make sure that others do not repeat it. To say “Do not repeat my error.” is not hypocritical.

Yeah I know, I’m not saying it is hypocritical, but that also doesn’t mean it isn’t funny.

Granted when you look at it the right way just about anything can be funny….

104 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:51:32pm

It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

106 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:52:39pm

re: #90 Spare O’Lake

Clubs, bills, and partisans! strike! beat them down!
Down with the Capulets! down with the Montagues!

Bill Clinton: Fetch me my long list of ho’s!

Hillary Clinton: A crutch, a crutch! That’s what you’ll need instead of a ho! [She throws a lamp at him.]

107 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:52:42pm

re: #104 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

rotating title!

108 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:52:45pm

Ezra Klein pipes in:

We few, we happy few, we band of Mama Grizzlies.” #ShakesPalin

109 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:52:54pm
110 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:53:05pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

She made a mistake, but wants to make sure that others do not repeat it. To say “Do not repeat my error.” is not hypocritical.

It is the very definition of hypocrisy to pose on the cover of People magazine with your wondrous baby and your adorable-the-second-time-around redneck statutory rapist and then go around taking money for saying “don’t have sex”.

111 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:53:18pm
112 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:53:44pm

re: #102 Stanley Sea

Her KID is labeled a “mistake” as a result. And she got rich. Fail.

I didn’t say her son was a mistake.

113 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:53:59pm

re: #111 MandyManners

Several times. Some were out-loud.

oh well…

114 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:54:27pm

re: #86 Varek Raith

You can still get it.

productsearch.barnesandnoble.com

115 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:54:49pm
116 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:55:10pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t say her son was a mistake.

No not you DF, Brisol herself. That’s where I felt, uh oh. Plus she’s taking money for it.

117 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:55:25pm

Sarah Palin, contemplating her ruined rhetorical reputation: “My words fly up, my thoughts remain below: Words without thoughts ever a-twitter go.”

118 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:55:37pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Bill Clinton: Fetch me my long list of ho’s!

Hillary Clinton: A crutch, a crutch! That’s what you’ll need instead of a ho! [She throws a lamp at him.]

well yes this can be used in ways not originally intended…

119 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:56:22pm
120 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:56:43pm
I Can See Two Gentlemen of Verona from My House! #ShakesPalin
121 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:56:53pm

re: #110 Cato the Elder

It is the very definition of hypocrisy to pose on the cover of People magazine with your wondrous baby and your adorable-the-second-time-around redneck statutory rapist and then go around taking money for saying “don’t have sex”.

True, but I’m going to give her a pass on that. She’s got a child to support and I’m more than willing to overlook relatively minor hypocrisy in service of such a goal.

122 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:57:02pm

re: #55 PhillyPretzel

Shakespeare loved puns. In fact his contemporaries managed an oblique honorary mention of him in their translation of the Bible, what we now call the King James Bible, in Psalm 46. If you count the 46th word from the beginning you get Shake, if you then count the 46th word from the end (don’t include the selah) you get spear. It may just be an apocryphal story, but it’s still quite clever.

123 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:57:58pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

True, but I’m going to give her a pass on that. She’s got a child to support and I’m more than willing to overlook relatively minor hypocrisy in service of such a goal.

Oh DF. The whole thing has been hypocrisy for the money. No respect earned.

124 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:58:44pm

re: #119 MandyManners

Gonna’ step back. I am no fan of Palin at all.

However, there is a nasty under-current here that is skirting close to misgogyny.

It’s seeming quite a bit like the sort of hatred and bile thrown at Hillary, particularly during her ‘08 candidacy. Not that she and Sarah haven’t done a good deal to paint bullseyes on their foreheads, but there’s mocking and then there’s sneering.

125 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:59:10pm

awww man the Shakespearean Insult Generator has been taken down…

126 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:59:13pm

re: #119 MandyManners

Gonna’ step back. I am no fan of Palin at all.

However, there is a nasty under-current here that is skirting close to misgogyny.

I’m sorry my comment was only meant as a bit of light frivolity as its the only bit of Shakespeare that I could easily remember.

I’m sorry to hear that ti had such unfortunate results.

127 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:59:21pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea

Oh DF. The whole thing has been hypocrisy for the money. No respect earned.

How do you figure?

128 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:59:38pm

re: #124 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It’s seeming quite a bit like the sort of hatred and bile thrown at Hillary, particularly during her ‘08 candidacy. Not that she and Sarah haven’t done a good deal to paint bullseyes on their foreheads, but there’s mocking and then there’s sneering.

I can see Zeltros from my house.

129 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:59:38pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

True, but I’m going to give her a pass on that. She’s got a child to support and I’m more than willing to overlook relatively minor hypocrisy in service of such a goal.

Oh. Please.

Support your child by scurrying around middle and high schools saying “don’t have children”?

That’s like financing your crack habit by admonishing people not to do drugs.

130 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 6:59:55pm

re: #125 brookly red

I used to love the Medieval pick up lines page.

131 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:00:04pm

To suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous liberals, or to quit halfterm, and by opposing, rake in speaking fees #shakespalin

Goddamn I love this…
So busy, must get into this tho!

132 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:00:15pm

re: #102 Stanley Sea

Her KID is labeled a “mistake” as a result. And she got rich. Fail.

You blocks, you stones, you worse than senseless things!

133 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:00:31pm

I think it is really unpleasant to see folks unload on Bristol Palin. She is a kid. She screwed up, astonishing I know. As for being a hypocrite that only applies if she continues to lead her life in a way contrary to her message now. Oh, and it is not a crime to make a buck. Really.

134 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:00:34pm

re: #124 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It’s seeming quite a bit like the sort of hatred and bile thrown at Hillary, particularly during her ‘08 candidacy. Not that she and Sarah haven’t done a good deal to paint bullseyes on their foreheads, but there’s mocking and then there’s sneering.

I sneer at Palin and fart in her general direction.

135 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:00:42pm

re: #115 MandyManners

Whoa. What did BHO call a potential pregnancy of one his daughters? A tragedy?

No.

136 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:00:42pm

re: #119 MandyManners

Gonna’ step back. I am no fan of Palin at all.

However, there is a nasty under-current here that is skirting close to misgogyny.

yah think?

137 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:01:42pm

re: #129 Cato the Elder

Oh. Please.

Support your child by scurrying around middle and high schools saying “don’t have children”?

That’s like financing your crack habit by admonishing people not to do drugs.

I had a group of convicts come to my high school to discuss the mess they had made of their lives. Very effective.

138 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:02:38pm

If Ms Palin was so inclined she could answer, “You jest at wounds that never felt a scar.”

139 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:02:55pm

re: #133 The Shadow Do

I agree. The whole schadenfreude towards her and the Levi situation has an ugly tinge that is unbecoming. My et tu Bristol notwithstanding.

140 Interesting Times  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:03:09pm

re: #124 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It’s seeming quite a bit like the sort of hatred and bile thrown at Hillary, particularly during her ‘08 candidacy. Not that she and Sarah haven’t done a good deal to paint bullseyes on their foreheads, but there’s mocking and then there’s sneering.

Rather ironic, considering Palin’s comments about that very thing:

Youtube Video
141 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:03:35pm

re: #134 Cato the Elder

I sneer at Palin and fart in her general direction.

I would expect that from your classless ass…

142 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:03:46pm

re: #138 PhillyPretzel

If Ms Palin was so inclined she could answer, “You jest at wounds that never felt a scar.”

Arrr, I ra’er be takin like a pirate, matey.

143 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:03:50pm

re: #140 publicityStunted

Rather ironic, considering Palin’s comments about that very thing:


[Video]

Yeah, Jon Stewart had a lot of fun with that video….

144 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:04:27pm

re: #137 The Shadow Do

Kinda reminiscent of the whole “scared straight” approach.

145 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:04:31pm

re: #141 HoosierHoops

I would expect that from your classless ass…

I thought you were done with me. I was glad.

Now go blow it out your ear.

146 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:05:41pm

re: #119 MandyManners

Gonna’ step back. I am no fan of Palin at all.

However, there is a nasty under-current here that is skirting close to misgogyny.

Not from me, but you know I like having fun at her expense.

147 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:05:51pm

re: #126 jamesfirecat

I’m sorry my comment was only meant as a bit of light frivolity as its the only bit of Shakespeare that I could easily remember.

I’m sorry to hear that ti had such unfortunate results.

actually I read it (Mandy’s comment) as, if she was a man we would be discussing her ideas & views and this other stuff would not be an issue.

148 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:06:22pm

re: #133 The Shadow Do

I think it is really unpleasant to see folks unload on Bristol Palin. She is a kid. She screwed up, astonishing I know. As for being a hypocrite that only applies if she continues to lead her life in a way contrary to her message now. Oh, and it is not a crime to make a buck. Really.

However:

Report: Levi Johnston and Bristol Palin Were Paid $100,000 For Cover Story

After the news broke that Levi Johnston and Bristol Palin were engaged, many began to speculate what sort of compensation they got for their cover and exclusive story.

Sources at the NY Post estimate Us Weekly paid $100,000 for the story, but a rep for the mag rep said in a statement, “We were approached by Bristol and Levi to break the news, and we didn’t pay $100,000.”

Hmm, what do you think they were paid? Levi wasn’t naked so we’re sure he didn’t demand THAT much money, but it sounds like he did his homework with Bristol, as she did another interview with People right before the the Us Weekly cover came out, and she wouldn’t admit whether or not they were back together! So sneaky, these kids…

I just ran across this. Looks like I was wrong about this one.

149 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:06:42pm

re: #147 brookly red

actually I read it (Mandy’s comment) as, if she was a man we would be discussing her ideas & views and this other stuff would not be an issue.

Not really.

Dan Quayle got lambasted for all the stupid stuff he did at various points in time didn’t he?

150 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:07:41pm

re: #149 jamesfirecat

Not really.

Dan Quayle got lambasted for all the stupid stuff he did at various points in time didn’t he?

Who fell of the stage at an event?
And who fell down AF1’s stairs?

151 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:07:43pm

re: #149 jamesfirecat

I still remember the Murphy Brown comment.

152 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:07:46pm

re: #149 jamesfirecat

Not really.

Dan Quayle got lambasted for all the stupid stuff he did at various points in time didn’t he?

not his children or his morals… but hey it is what it is.

153 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:08:57pm

re: #144 Irenicum

Kinda reminiscent of the whole “scared straight” approach.

Yes, this was long before that was understood (I’m kind of old). I went to a small high school and an assembly was called in the gym which was darkened. When the lights came up there were five young guys in cages. Each spoke in turn about their crime and the time they were facing (all at least 20 years). I was 16 or 17 and I have not forgotten that.

154 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:09:03pm

Sarah doth laugheth all the wayeth to the banketh.

155 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:09:22pm

to shill, or not to shill, baby, that is the question.

156 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:09:26pm

re: #154 Spare O’Lake

ROFL

157 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:10:01pm

re: #153 The Shadow Do

Wow. That does sound pretty effective. I never saw anything like that in my schooling.

158 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:10:09pm

re: #140 publicityStunted

Rather ironic, considering Palin’s comments about that very thing:


[Video]

Yeah, in hindsight, not one of her brightest moves…of course, that assumes she’s made any bright moves up to this point.

159 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:10:11pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

They leveraged the max money. Good for them.

160 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:10:21pm

re: #155 iceweasel

Well she does believe in shill baby shill.

161 Baboon Cheeks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:10:50pm

The lady doth refudiate too much!

162 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:11:04pm

re: #160 Irenicum

I thought that was “drill baby drill”

163 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:11:50pm

re: #133 The Shadow Do

I think it is really unpleasant to see folks unload on Bristol Palin. She is a kid. She screwed up, astonishing I know. As for being a hypocrite that only applies if she continues to lead her life in a way contrary to her message now. Oh, and it is not a crime to make a buck. Really.

She’s made a lot of money. Once you put yourself on the cover of People Magazine and US Magazine for a huge paycheck - you are NOT A KID

164 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:11:53pm

re: #162 PhillyPretzel

I thought that was “drill baby drill”

She shills for them that drills.

165 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:11:57pm

re: #162 PhillyPretzel

I thought that was “drill baby drill”

No.
It’s “Oil spill, goddamnshit, oil spill”.

166 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:12:00pm

re: #161 Jimmah

The lady doth refudiate too much!

Ok, i’m tweeting that too. ;)
tcot hashtags baby!

167 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:12:17pm

Does mocking the snot out of a stupid-ass bastard like Danforth Quayle make one a man-hater? No?

Then how is it different when the dumbass is a woman?

“To mock, to scorn—
To scorn—perchance to sneer. Ay, there’s the rub!”

168 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:12:20pm

re: #157 Irenicum

Wow. That does sound pretty effective. I never saw anything like that in my schooling.

it is effective… especially when they are locals. damn effective.

169 Baboon Cheeks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:12:46pm

Something is rotten in the State of Alaska.

170 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:13:14pm

re: #167 Cato the Elder

Does mocking the snot out of a stupid-ass bastard like Danforth Quayle make one a man-hater? No?

Then how is it different when the dumbass is a woman?

“To mock, to scorn—
To scorn—perchance to sneer. Ay, there’s the rub!”

I mock myself.
You all are fair game!
PEW PEW PEW!

171 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:13:15pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

She’s made a lot of money. Once you put yourself on the cover of People Magazine and US Magazine for a huge paycheck - you are NOT A KID

No, you are a kid with a good business manager. Problem with that for some I suppose.

172 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:13:25pm

I come not, friends, to steal away your hearts:
I am no orator, as Obama is;
But, as you know me all, a plain, blunt woman,
That love my friend.
You betcha.

173 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:14:34pm

re: #137 The Shadow Do

I had a group of convicts come to my high school to discuss the mess they had made of their lives. Very effective.

Were they in the money because of it?

hypocrisy. That people defend it amazes me.

How could someone explain Bristol, with all the facts ($$$), not leaving anything out to their daughter? please.

174 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:15:33pm

“We few, we happy few. We band of Brothers. For any man that helpeth spread HopeyChange with me today is my brother.”

A little harmless Obama riff there.

175 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:15:44pm

I heart this one:

The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in the Lamestream Media

176 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:15:51pm

re: #173 Stanley Sea

Were they in the money because of it?

hypocrisy. That people defend it amazes me.

How could someone explain Bristol, with all the facts ($$$), not leaving anything out to their daughter? please.

Were they paid? I strongly suspect they garnered some favor with their next parole hearing.

177 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:16:11pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

“We few, we happy few. We band of Brothers. For any man that helpeth spread HopeyChange with me today is my brother.”

A little harmless Obama riff there.

Harmless?!?!
You just shot down a Unicorn!!!

178 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:16:35pm

Let me tell you, Cassius, you yourself
Are much condemned to have a tweeting Palin?

179 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:16:37pm

re: #173 Stanley Sea

Were they in the money because of it?

hypocrisy. That people defend it amazes me.

How could someone explain Bristol, with all the facts ($$$), not leaving anything out to their daughter? please.

I am not saying that you are wrong… I am just saying that I have no idea what that means.

180 sagehen  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:16:44pm

pghtraci RT @normative: To suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous liberals, or to quit halfterm, and by opposing, rake in speaking fees #shakespalinre: #121 Dark_Falcon

True, but I’m going to give her a pass on that. She’s got a child to support and I’m more than willing to overlook relatively minor hypocrisy in service of such a goal.

Even if, at the same time, she and her mother are were criticizing Levi for trying to make a buck to support that very same child? Who they weren’t letting him see because he wasn’t doing enough to support it?

181 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:16:46pm

Sour are the uses of Palin,
Which, like the Tea Party, ugly and venomous,
Wears yet her precious rhetoric in her head;
And this their life, fearful of public criticism,
Finds death panels in trees, birth certificates in the running brooks,
Socialists in stones, and bad in every thing.

182 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:16:59pm

I’m still trying to get over this woman claiming her gaffes and the “Bush-isms” of Dubya are on par with the Bard’s works and his penchant for concocting new words for his works. Sarah, there is a difference between creating new and interesting words to identify objects, persons, and feelings that had no names…and your twittering brainfarts.

183 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:17:17pm

re: #181 Gus 802

Sour are the uses of Palin,
Which, like the Tea Party, ugly and venomous,
Wears yet her precious rhetoric in her head hand;
And this their life, fearful of public criticism,
Finds death panels in trees, birth certificates in the running brooks,
Socialists in stones, and bad in every thing.

Oops. Head was supposed to be hand.

184 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:17:31pm

Now is the Alaska of our discontent
Made glorious Hawaii by this daughter of Wasilla

185 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:17:42pm

Since when is Alaska the heartland?

Girlfriend is really shaking that money tree hard.

186 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:17:46pm

re: #147 brookly red

actually I read it (Mandy’s comment) as, if she was a man we would be discussing her ideas & views and this other stuff would not be an issue.


You folks forget your Hillary comments dontcha?

187 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:17:52pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

“We few, we happy few. We band of Brothers. For any man that helpeth spread HopeyChange with me today is my brother comrade.”

A little harmless Obama riff there.

fify

188 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:18:34pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea

You folks forget your Hillary comments dontcha?

never did they bring up her child did they?

189 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:18:45pm

re: #185 JRCMYP

Since when is Alaska the heartland?

Girlfriend is really shaking that money tree hard.

Mexico is America’s Heartland.
Bender said so himself!

190 Baboon Cheeks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:18:48pm

TV full of lizards :

Youtube Video
191 the yankee  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:18:50pm

I served with Shakespeare, I knew Shakespeare, Shakespeare was a friend of mine. Palin, you’re no Shakespeare..

192 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:18:57pm

re: #177 Varek Raith

Harmless?!?!
You just shot down a Unicorn!!!

It was carrying a French knight. After I shot his unicorn down with my longbow, i showed him my middle finger to make mock of his threat to cut it off.

/Agincourt theme here

193 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:19:08pm

I had rather be a dog, and bay the moon,
Than such a Teabagger.

194 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:19:17pm

re: #173 Stanley Sea

I don’t generally comment on Bristol Palin, but you did touch on something important there. She’s doing this for pay. She has a consultancy. She was a paid spokesperson for Candie’s Foundation.

Once someone is paid to go and speak, I feel that moves their agenda into an area where criticism is totally legitimate.

I do think, however, that more than a small tinge of misogyny can creep in when people attack her. The whole ‘getting knocked up = dumb’ equation that a lot of people seem to use is one that makes me mad.

195 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:19:57pm

*rubbing his temples, grumbles* Angels and ministers of grace, defend us.

196 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:20:03pm

re: #191 the yankee

I served with Shakespeare, I knew Shakespeare, Shakespeare was a friend of mine. Palin, you’re no Shakespeare..

“Senator, that was very uncalled for.”

197 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:20:31pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

DF, you are always good in my eyes.

198 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:20:52pm

re: #145 Cato the Elder

I thought you were done with me. I was glad.

Now go blow it out your ear.

The old blow it out your ear isn’t going to work here pal.
I can’t help it.. I Feel you have personally attacked Sarah..Not on policy but as an attack on her as a woman.
This is our war..And Cato..I might have misunderstood your words earlier..And if so..I am sorry.. That is my only point about Sarah..I just want you to know why we will go to war…I don’t like her..But I believe in fairness.
Must we Cato? If it was a misunderstanding..Fine..I’m sorry

199 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:20:57pm

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

It was carrying a French knight. After I shot his unicorn down with my longbow, i showed him my middle finger to make mock of his threat to cut it off.

/Agincourt theme here

Middle and Index if I remember correctly.

200 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:21:03pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

“We few, we happy few. We band of Brothers. For any man that helpeth spread HopeyChange with me today is my brother.”

A little harmless Obama riff there.

To thine own self be true.
- Polonius Obama

201 sagehen  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:21:12pm

re: #147 brookly red

actually I read it (Mandy’s comment) as, if she was a man we would be discussing her ideas & views and this other stuff would not be an issue.

If she actually had any ideas and views.

Even with pre-screened questions in a friendly venue, Bill O’Reilly has to spoonfeed her answers to the questions he’s asking.

I’m going to try to start the meme that Alvin Greene is per perfect Democrat Analogue.

202 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:21:22pm

re: #188 brookly red

never did they bring up her child did they?

Please. Go check El Rushbo for the hideous WH dog comment and more.

203 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:21:26pm

I’m Bill Shakespeare and I support this message.

204 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:21:55pm

FAILity, thy name is Palin!

205 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:22:07pm

re: #202 iceweasel

Please. Go check El Rushbo for the hideous WH dog comment and more.

last I checked he does not post here…

206 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:22:07pm

re: #194 Obdicut

I don’t generally comment on Bristol Palin, but you did touch on something important there. She’s doing this for pay. She has a consultancy. She was a paid spokesperson for Candie’s Foundation.

Once someone is paid to go and speak, I feel that moves their agenda into an area where criticism is totally legitimate.

I do think, however, that more than a small tinge of misogyny can creep in when people attack her. The whole ‘getting knocked up = dumb’ equation that a lot of people seem to use is one that makes me mad.

Me too. The one thing the timing of this proves is that she’s not dumb. One tidbit the US Weekly article has about Bristol is that her High School GPa was 3.47, which is very good. She’s a smart person who did a foolish thing.

207 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:22:54pm

re: #203 Irenicum

Bill? I thought it was Will.

208 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:22:58pm

re: #205 brookly red

last I checked he does not post here…

And we’re all very thankful for that.

209 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:23:12pm

re: #169 Jimmah

Something is rotten in the State of Alaska.

Jimmah, she left Alaska a year ago.

210 Interesting Times  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:23:21pm

re: #202 iceweasel

Please. Go check El Rushbo for the hideous WH dog comment and more.

Not just him:

A joke too bad to print?

211 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:23:33pm

re: #199 jamesfirecat

Middle and Index if I remember correctly.

It’s not entirely certain, but your answer does count as correct. I was just having some fun with the theme.

212 PT Barnum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:23:35pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Jimmah, she left Alaska a year ago.

And you can still smell the stoopid.

213 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:24:39pm

re: #212 PT Barnum

And you can still smell the stoopid.

I smell ozone.
Did I mention I hate summer?

214 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:24:55pm

re: #176 The Shadow Do

Were they paid? I strongly suspect they garnered some favor with their next parole hearing.

They are paid for every magazine cover. She had one @ graduation (with her baby) and now with Levi (there’s also this Vogue shoot)

They are paid.

215 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:24:56pm

re: #207 PhillyPretzel

Hey at least I didn’t call him Billy or worse yet Willie.

216 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:25:13pm

re: #155 iceweasel

to shill, or not to shill, baby, that is the question.

EXCELLENT!
She’s shillin baby!

217 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:25:42pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

GPA proves little. I don’t care if she is smart, or dumb; I don’t believe in objective measure of intelligence, anyway. I don’t think it’s smart of her to lecture on abstinence at all. It’s the ultimate ‘looks good on paper’ plan for preventing teen pregnancy.

But anyway: in her capacities as a spokesperson, I can criticize her. In her capacity as a teenager who got pregnant, fuck anyone who criticizes her for that.

218 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:26:25pm

re: #214 Stanley Sea

They are paid for every magazine cover. She had one @ graduation (with her baby) and now with Levi (there’s also this Vogue shoot)

They are paid.

Good. Why is this an issue with you?

219 The Yankee  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:26:53pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

“Senator, that was very uncalled for.”

I forgot that part I wasn’t even born when that happen. I just remember it was a good burn. Ouch……

220 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:27:00pm

re: #217 Obdicut

GPA proves little. I don’t care if she is smart, or dumb; I don’t believe in objective measure of intelligence, anyway. I don’t think it’s smart of her to lecture on abstinence at all. It’s the ultimate ‘looks good on paper’ plan for preventing teen pregnancy.

But anyway: in her capacities as a spokesperson, I can criticize her. In her capacity as a teenager who got pregnant, fuck anyone who criticizes her for that.

I agree with you… is the moon full?

221 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:27:11pm

one of those tweets “Merchant of Venom” that is a good one

222 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:27:19pm

re: #188 brookly red

never did they bring up her child did they?

BS walk back.

223 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:27:46pm

re: #218 The Shadow Do

Good. Why is this an issue with you?

wow.

224 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:27:56pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

A very good point. If we’re gonna go by GPA then I’m a really smart guy. But I don’t have enough fingers and toes to count how many stupid things I’ve done over these many years. That’s why I’m not comfortable with people piling on about her actions. I guess it’s the whole “cast the first stone” thing.

225 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:28:27pm

re: #219 The Yankee

I forgot that part I wasn’t even born when that happen. I just remember it was a good burn. Ouch…

I was only a wee one and yet I know it well. It’s been seared, SEARED into my memory, much like my secret mission into Cambodia on Christmas.

226 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:30:04pm

re: #222 Stanley Sea

BS walk back.

so did I make the comment? no. so take your issue to where it cam from.

227 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:30:18pm

re: #218 The Shadow Do

Good. Why is this an issue with you?

It goes straight to the heart of whether or not she is ‘offlimits’ to criticism.

In role as daughter of VP candidate? Offlimits.

As spokesperson for abstinence, over 18, and raking in bucks by these voluntary appearances in the spotlight?

The pass is expired and she’s now fair game. Deal.

228 PT Barnum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:30:38pm

If she wasn’t such a re: #224 Irenicum

A very good point. If we’re gonna go by GPA then I’m a really smart guy. But I don’t have enough fingers and toes to count how many stupid things I’ve done over these many years. That’s why I’m not comfortable with people piling on about her actions. I guess it’s the whole “cast the first stone” thing.

if the family values party actually showed any, it wouldn’t be an issue at all. just feeds the hypocricy of the socons meme.

229 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:31:13pm

Either Tripp is a blessing, or a cautionary tale. You can’t have it both ways.

But the Palin clan will try and make money off him six ways from Sunday, and expect America to overlook the glaring hypocrisy.

And America will, because we’re just that dumb.

230 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:32:18pm

Good night my fellow Lizards.

231 Baboon Cheeks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:32:30pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Jimmah, she left Alaska a year ago.

Yeah - but I was talking about her slime trail ;-)

232 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:32:45pm

re: #226 brookly red

so did I make the comment? no. so take your issue to where it cam from.

why is that a problem with you 2? how do I get the blame for someone else’s comment… please.

233 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:34:07pm

It just ain’t fair for sumdum socon yokels pile up the millions while brilliant libs toil for peanuts.

234 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:34:09pm

re: #229 Cato the Elder

Either Tripp is a blessing, or a cautionary tale. You can’t have it both ways.

But the Palin clan will try and make money off him six ways from Sunday, and expect America to overlook the glaring hypocrisy.

And America will, because we’re just that dumb.

Some of the results of having a child too soon are a cautionary tale, the child himself is a blessing. It’s not entirely consistent, but matters of the heart seldom are and the love Bristol has for her son is quite real.

235 Racer X  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:34:17pm

France fears widespread rioting as youths rampage after police shoot robber

Here we go again!

236 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:34:38pm

re: #230 PhillyPretzel

Good night my fellow Lizards.


Sleep tight! And since you are in Philly..Don’t forget to set the alarm before you sleep…

237 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:34:56pm

Oh no, not again.

238 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:34:56pm

re: #235 Racer X

France fears widespread rioting as youths rampage after police shoot robber

Here we go again!

I’ll get the marshmallows, you grab the hot dogs.

239 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:35:03pm

re: #227 iceweasel

It goes straight to the heart of whether or not she is ‘offlimits’ to criticism.

In role as daughter of VP candidate? Offlimits.

As spokesperson for abstinence, over 18, and raking in bucks by these voluntary appearances in the spotlight?

The pass is expired and she’s now fair game. Deal.

Well hells bells, have at her. Just don’t be stupid with the criticism.

240 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:35:08pm

re: #229 Cato the Elder

Either Tripp is a blessing, or a cautionary tale. You can’t have it both ways.

But the Palin clan will try and make money off him six ways from Sunday, and expect America to overlook the glaring hypocrisy.

And America will, because we’re just that dumb.

yeah, i don’t know what happened here earlier, but I’m going to do a page on this at some point— there is something profoundly fucked up and contradictory in Bristol’s new role. Either Tripp is a blessing or he’s a ‘mistake’ she wants to ‘help’ others avoid making.

Of course, I’m not suggesting that either of those are true— but that Bristol Palin’s spokesperson role (and her prior beatification along with Palin’s) is a contradictory attempt to have both.

241 brookly red  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:35:35pm

OK, so I see the usual suspects are dog piling me for some one else’s comments… so I guess I will cut my losses before I am accused of shooting Lincoln too. sheesh.

242 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:35:52pm

re: #239 The Shadow Do

Well hells bells, have at her. Just don’t be stupid with the criticism.

Trust me, that won’t be a problem.

243 PT Barnum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:35:52pm

re: #233 Spare O’Lake

It just ain’t fair for sumdum socon yokels pile up the millions while brilliant libs toil for peanuts.

I don’t know that it’s unfair. They found a market (ignorant dumbfucks) and have successfully catered to it. Much like Jim Carey’s early movie career and the entire Adam Sandler opus.

I despair that their constituency might ever be in the position to dictate policy.

244 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:36:31pm

re: #235 Racer X

France fears widespread rioting as youths rampage after police shoot robber

Here we go again!

The police need to hammer down and make no concessions. The cops killed an armed robber who was firing at them. If ‘youts’ riot over that, they should be clubbed down.

245 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:37:03pm

re: #240 iceweasel

yeah, i don’t know what happened here earlier, but I’m going to do a page on this at some point— there is something profoundly fucked up and contradictory in Bristol’s new role. Either Tripp is a blessing or he’s a ‘mistake’ she wants to ‘help’ others avoid making.

Of course, I’m not suggesting that either of those are true— but that Bristol Palin’s spokesperson role (and her prior beatification along with Palin’s) is a contradictory attempt to have both.

She made a mistake getting pregnant. She loves her kid. These things are not exclusive of one another.

246 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:37:52pm

The poet’s eye, in fine frenzy rolling,

Doth glance from heaven to earth, from earth to heaven;

And, as imagination bodies forth

The forms of things unknown, the poet’s pen

Turns them to shapes, and gives to airy nothing

A local habitation and a name.

(256 characters: over the tweet limit.)

247 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:38:38pm

re: #242 iceweasel

Trust me, that won’t be a problem.

Are you packed yet? I almost am!
Hope today finds you well

248 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:38:55pm

re: #198 HoosierHoops

The old blow it out your ear isn’t going to work here pal.
I can’t help it.. I Feel you have personally attacked Sarah..Not on policy but as an attack on her as a woman.
This is our war..And Cato..I might have misunderstood your words earlier..And if so..I am sorry.. That is my only point about Sarah..I just want you to know why we will go to war…I don’t like her..But I believe in fairness.
Must we Cato? If it was a misunderstanding..Fine..I’m sorry

I did and do personally attack Sarah Palin as a politician, a woman and a human being.

If she were a man I would personally attack her as a politician, a man and a human being.

I see no reason to get excited, but you can decide I’m classless if you like. Remember Medaura? She felt the same. Is she a misogynist too?

249 sagehen  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:39:17pm

re: #227 iceweasel

It goes straight to the heart of whether or not she is ‘offlimits’ to criticism.

In role as daughter of VP candidate? Offlimits.

As spokesperson for abstinence, over 18, and raking in bucks by these voluntary appearances in the spotlight?

The pass is expired and she’s now fair game. Deal.

She’s as fair a target as Liz Cheney, and for the same reason.

Does she get paid good money for spokesjobs where she was only hired in an effort to suck up to the parents’ audience? Are her views of interest because they’re presumed to be reflective of how she was raised and what she was taught by the parent who won’t appear on the show and this is as close as we can get?

There you have it.

250 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:39:44pm

University of Paris strike of 1229

In 1229, a student riot at the University of Paris resulted in the deaths of a number of students, and the ensuing “dispersion” or student strike in protest lasted more than two years and led to a number of reforms of the medieval university.
251 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:40:19pm

re: #245 The Shadow Do

She made a mistake getting pregnant. She loves her kid. These things are not exclusive of one another.

I see you didn’t bother reading me:


Of course, I’m not suggesting that either of those are true— but that Bristol Palin’s spokesperson role (and her prior beatification along with Palin’s) is a contradictory attempt to have both

I stated that it isn’t an ‘either/or’ alternative and clearly implied both are false alternatives.
The point being that her spokesperson role is what’s contradictory, and the messages she wishes to send are contradictory.

I can make these points and these criticisms without ever touching on the issue of what Bristol herself thinks, or judging ANY of her choices— except the choice of ‘spokesperson pushing contradictory messages.’

This lesson in critical reasoning 101 was brought to you by PBS and paid for with a grant from the Soros Foundation.

252 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:41:53pm

SFZ, check out The Blackboard Awards.re: #251 iceweasel

I stated that it isn’t an ‘either/or’ alternative and clearly implied both are false alternatives.
The point being that her spokesperson role is what’s contradictory, and the messages she wishes to send are contradictory.

I can make these points and these criticisms without ever touching on the issue of what Bristol herself thinks, or judging ANY of her choices— except the choice of ‘spokesperson pushing contradictory messages.’

This lesson in critical reasoning 101 was brought to you by PBS and paid for with a grant from the Soros Foundation.

Not reading is in vogue this evening.

Trust me on that.

253 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:41:57pm

Out, out damned tweet!

254 Racer X  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:42:15pm

re: #244 Dark_Falcon

The police need to hammer down and make no concessions. The cops killed an armed robber who was firing at them. If ‘youts’ riot over that, they should be clubbed down.

Won’t. Happen.

255 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:42:40pm

re: #252 researchok

Whoops.

Crossed comments!

256 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:43:18pm

If ‘tis tweeted,
‘Tis best ‘tis tweeted quickly.

257 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:43:47pm

re: #250 Gus 802

University of Paris strike of 1229

Impressive. I thought for sure the date was a typo.

258 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:44:54pm
259 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:45:04pm

Trouble deaf heaven with my bootless tweets

260 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:45:24pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Impressive. I thought for sure the date was a typo.

Not a typo. Happened many moons ago. Got it from the list of riots.

261 Baboon Cheeks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:45:26pm

re: #247 HoosierHoops

Are you packed yet? I almost am!
Hope today finds you well

Hi Hoops! She has a way to go yet, but she’s making a lot of progress on getting things wrapped up and making the all the necessary arrangements before she leaves. Busy here too! Hope you are well - and Winston :)

262 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:45:35pm

I see that Instafool is writing that Breitbart is claiming to have video that proves Lewis was NOT showered with hateful epithets.

Logic escapes those folk.

263 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:47:01pm

re: #258 MikeySDCA

Nice avatar. Is that a fascist triskelion?

264 bratwurst  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:47:03pm

re: #262 freetoken

I see that Instafool is writing that Breitbart is claiming to have video that proves Lewis was NOT showered with hateful epithets.

Logic escapes those folk.

If he IS able to prove a negative…then heaven help us all!

265 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:47:48pm

re: #251 iceweasel

T

he point being that her spokesperson role is what’s contradictory, and the messages she wishes to send are contradictory.

What is contradictory? She is speaking as one who has made a mistake by getting irresponsibly pregnant, just as a convict can speak of his mistakes. The love of her baby is an entirely separate matter of course.

266 Baboon Cheeks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:48:25pm

The secret of Palin’s ‘success’?

Youtube Video
267 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:49:44pm

re: #265 The Shadow Do

T


What is contradictory? She is speaking as one who has made a mistake by getting irresponsibly pregnant, just as a convict can speak of his mistakes. The love of her baby is an entirely separate matter of course.

“I come to bury Bristol not to praise her.”

268 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:49:47pm

re: #248 Cato the Elder

I did and do personally attack Sarah Palin as a politician, a woman and a human being.

If she were a man I would personally attack her as a politician, a man and a human being.

I see no reason to get excited, but you can decide I’m classless if you like. Remember Medaura? She felt the same. Is she a misogynist too?


Just so you know where the line is drawn Cato…I’m sorry we went to war..I really like you..I think you always go over the top in your attacks.
I get it..This is a Blog..People get to make pols the spawn of Satan and stuff..I should know better…Oh well..

269 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:49:54pm

re: #259 Ojoe

Trouble deaf heaven with my bootless tweets

That’s hilarious!!

re: #247 HoosierHoops

Are you packed yet? I almost am!
Hope today finds you well

Hey hoops— thanks! When are you moving?
(I’m currently enmeshed in trying to open a UK bank account from the US, massive headache but must be done, similar money type stuff.)

270 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:50:03pm

Bottom feeders 2 floors down. A video from Acts17 and Apologetics was just posted. Too much.

271 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:50:07pm

re: #265 The Shadow Do

The contradiction is this:

“Don’t get pregnant, because it’s a terrible mistake to make. Just be abstinent.”

“I got pregnant as a teenager, and my baby is a blessing and a joy and I love him so much and I love my life with him.”

Mainly, to me, she’s just a big phony as a spokesperson; none of the girls she’s talking to have a life like hers, none has an extremely wealthy mother, none of them can get paid to be a spokesperson like her and get paid to be on the cover of People.

272 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:50:55pm

re: #258 MikeySDCA

OT: Factoid of the day:


From Excusing the Oakland Rioters: Looting is not a form of civil rights protest.

This time the Weekly Standard is correct. The man was convicted and still people rioted. That should be seen as a cause of shame, but Oakland has fallen far under Ron Dellums.

273 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:51:32pm

re: #261 Jimmah

Hi Hoops! She has a way to go yet, but she’s making a lot of progress on getting things wrapped up and making the all the necessary arrangements before she leaves. Busy here too! Hope you are well - and Winston :)

I start the hotel thing next weekend for who knows how long!
I’ll text Ice and you!

274 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:51:38pm

re: #271 Obdicut

The contradiction is this:

“Don’t get pregnant, because it’s a terrible mistake to make. Just be abstinent.”

“I got pregnant as a teenager, and my baby is a blessing and a joy and I love him so much and I love my life with him.”

Mainly, to me, she’s just a big phony as a spokesperson; none of the girls she’s talking to have a life like hers, none has an extremely wealthy mother, none of them can get paid to be a spokesperson like her and get paid to be on the cover of People.

Sometimes, silence really is golden.

She is making herself a target, good intentions notwithstanding.

275 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:52:25pm

re: #265 The Shadow Do

T

What is contradictory? She is speaking as one who has made a mistake by getting irresponsibly pregnant, just as a convict can speak of his mistakes. The love of her baby is an entirely separate matter of course.

She wants to promote Tripp as the best thing in her life at the same time as she’s going on tour saying ‘don’t get pregnant’. She also wants to be anti-abortion, and anti-choice more generally, as she’s advising not that ‘if you have sex, use birth control’ but rather ‘don’t have sex’.

It’s a huge mess. Sorry, i’m really just here to say hi and make silly shakespeare jokes; if you want a thorough response and analysis check my page in a day or two when I can get into it fully.

276 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:52:44pm

re: #270 Gus 802

Bottom feeders 2 floors down. A video from Acts17 and Apologetics was just posted. Too much.

WTF? Who?

277 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:53:46pm

re: #273 HoosierHoops

I start the hotel thing next weekend for who knows how long!
I’ll text Ice and you!

Fantastic!! I’ll send you one too in a couple of days, shit is BANANAS, b a n a n a nanas here. right now

good luck with move!!

278 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:53:48pm

re: #276 iceweasel

WTF? Who?

Acts17. Remember that former Muslim turned thumper in Dearborn? The one that got arrested? Right here…

littlegreenfootballs.com

279 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:53:53pm

re: #274 researchok

Sometimes, silence really is golden.

She is making herself a target, good intentions notwithstanding.

Some pro-abstinent groups have said she’s a bad spokesperson for precisely the reasons I just gave; she’s happy, successful, and presents a positive image of being a teenage mother.

If the con who came to your school to warn you about prison was actually living a very nice life in a minimum security prison with a nice room and making lots of money off of book deals, you might not actually get scared of prison.

280 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:54:16pm

re: #119 MandyManners

Gonna’ step back. I am no fan of Palin at all.

However, there is a nasty under-current here that is skirting close to misgogyny.

No kidding. Like, why bring Bristol into it?

281 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:54:28pm

re: #271 Obdicut

The contradiction is this:

“Don’t get pregnant, because it’s a terrible mistake to make. Just be abstinent.”

“I got pregnant as a teenager, and my baby is a blessing and a joy and I love him so much and I love my life with him.”

Mainly, to me, she’s just a big phony as a spokesperson; none of the girls she’s talking to have a life like hers, none has an extremely wealthy mother, none of them can get paid to be a spokesperson like her and get paid to be on the cover of People.

Well, to be fair she did address that point. Check out her first PSA there.

282 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:54:58pm

re: #275 iceweasel

She wants to promote Tripp as the best thing in her life at the same time as she’s going on tour saying ‘don’t get pregnant’. She also wants to be anti-abortion, and anti-choice more generally, as she’s advising not that ‘if you have sex, use birth control’ but rather ‘don’t have sex’.

It’s a huge mess. Sorry, i’m really just here to say hi and make silly shakespeare jokes; if you want a thorough response and analysis check my page in a day or two when I can get into it fully.

The best spokesperson for a ‘Don’t get pregnant campaign’ is someone who did not get pregnant.

Then again, I’m an average guy, not a marketing guru.

283 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:55:07pm

re: #265 The Shadow Do

What is contradictory? She is speaking as one who has made a mistake by getting irresponsibly pregnant, just as a convict can speak of his mistakes. The love of her baby is an entirely separate matter of course.

People do not generally tell their cautionary tales of mistakes they made while at the same time posing on magazine covers with the swag those mistakes brought them and boasting about how wonderful it turned out to be in the end.

How can you expect a teenager to take Bristol seriously as she goes around preaching abstinence when the cover of People magazine shows how hunky-dory everything is for her now?

284 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:55:17pm

re: #271 Obdicut

The contradiction is this:

“Don’t get pregnant, because it’s a terrible mistake to make. Just be abstinent.”

“I got pregnant as a teenager, and my baby is a blessing and a joy and I love him so much and I love my life with him.”

Mainly, to me, she’s just a big phony as a spokesperson; none of the girls she’s talking to have a life like hers, none has an extremely wealthy mother, none of them can get paid to be a spokesperson like her and get paid to be on the cover of People.

Again, what is with the money thing? Cripes, this is America. We pay all kinds of celebrity folks all kinds of money for all kinds of stupid things. Amazing but this is who we are. Celebrate it.

285 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:55:38pm

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

Heh. To me, that ad makes me really, really, really want to have a baby.

Boy I want to be a dad.

286 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:56:03pm

re: #276 iceweasel

WTF? Who?

On the way.

287 Lidane  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:56:33pm

Caribou Barbie should try reading Shakespeare (or at least the SparkNotes). She might learn a few things:

When workmen strive to do better than well,
They do confound their skill in covetousness;
And oftentimes excusing of a fault
Doth make the fault the worse by the excuse,
As patches set upon a little breach
Discredit more in hiding of the fault
Than did the fault before it was so patch’d.

—King John, Act IV, Scene II

288 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:56:43pm

re: #284 The Shadow Do

Again, what is with the money thing? Cripes, this is America. We pay all kinds of celebrity folks all kinds of money for all kinds of stupid things. Amazing but this is who we are. Celebrate it.

What are you talking about? I’m saying that her life as a single teenage mom is very different from that of a single teenage mom who lives in poverty.

You wildly mistook what I was saying.

289 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:57:16pm

re: #284 The Shadow Do

Again, what is with the money thing? Cripes, this is America. We pay all kinds of celebrity folks all kinds of money for all kinds of stupid things. Amazing but this is who we are. Celebrate it.

No. It makes me sick.

290 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:57:22pm

re: #279 Obdicut

Some pro-abstinent groups have said she’s a bad spokesperson for precisely the reasons I just gave; she’s happy, successful, and presents a positive image of being a teenage mother.

If the con who came to your school to warn you about prison was actually living a very nice life in a minimum security prison with a nice room and making lots of money off of book deals, you might not actually get scared of prison.

I for one like the idea of taking kids busted for DWI down to the morgue.

The best spokesperson for don’t get pregnant is either someone who didn’t get pregnant or someone whose life was ruined who had a kid when they shouldn’t have.

291 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:57:32pm

re: #278 Gus 802

Acts17. Remember that former Muslim turned thumper in Dearborn? The one that got arrested? Right here…

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

NO i TOTALLY remember who Acts 17 is— I did not realise that’s what that video was— or that a certain fucknut posted it.

WTF. Ugh.

292 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 7:58:26pm

re: #291 iceweasel

NO i TOTALLY remember who Acts 17 is— I did not realise that’s what that video was— or that a certain fucknut posted it.

WTF. Ugh.

Tonight we’re going to party like it’s 2004!

//

293 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:01:13pm

re: #282 researchok

The best spokesperson for a ‘Don’t get pregnant campaign’ is someone who did not get pregnant.

Well yeah, pretty much.

there’s also something very wrong about a mother going around and saying hey, i shouldnt have become a mother. Because that’s essentially what this puts her into.

For the record, I have a lot of sympathy for Bristol. In my opinion she wanted (very reasonably) to secure a future for her son— and I do believe that was her personal motivation, initially. Probably still is to a large extent.

She was only 17 when this started, and she was seized up and is being exploited by the rabid, always waiting, anti-choice lobby. And assorted profiteers. Her mother not least among them, imo.

More on that later anyway, too heavy for now. :)

294 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:01:34pm

re: #277 iceweasel

Fantastic!! I’ll send you one too in a couple of days, shit is BANANAS, b a n a n a nanas here. right now

good luck with move!!

I’m jacked up..I burned CD’s for the trip today…I have like every Delbert McClinton song every recorded on CD..I was dumping all kinds on stuff on to CD’s…Bryan Adams live…Eric Clapton Live 2007 with John Mayer in Chicago.. I dunno..I guess everything I could find…

295 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:01:37pm

re: #289 Cato the Elder

No. It makes me sick.

You got a problem with Triggle-down economics?

296 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:01:39pm

“Here is such patchery, such juggling, and such knavery! All the argument is a whore and a cuckold — a good quarrel to draw emulous factions and bleed to death upon.”

—Thersites, in Troilus & Cressida

297 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:06:34pm

re: #293 iceweasel

Well yeah, pretty much.

there’s also something very wrong about a mother going around and saying hey, i shouldnt have become a mother. Because that’s essentially what this puts her into.

For the record, I have a lot of sympathy for Bristol. In my opinion she wanted (very reasonably) to secure a future for her son— and I do believe that was her personal motivation, initially. Probably still is to a large extent.

She was only 17 when this started, and she was seized up and is being exploited by the rabid, always waiting, anti-choice lobby. And assorted profiteers. Her mother not least among them, imo.

More on that later anyway, too heavy for now. :)

3 point swish.

298 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:07:07pm

People, a video of Netanyahu saying pretty unpleasant stuff was released today. The video itself is 9 years old, though.

Netanyahu In 2001: ‘America Is A Thing You Can Move Very Easily’

A newly released video of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu could add some additional strain to the sometimes tense relationship between him and President Obama.

Here’s the video, which is from 2001, Netanyahu — who reportedly did not know his speech was being recorded — speaks frankly in Hebrew about relations with the Clinton White House and the peace process.

As noted in Haaretz, Netanyahu seems to boast of his knowledge of the US by saying, “I know what America is. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won’t get in their way.”

He also boasts of manipulating the U.S. in the ongoing peace process, as the Washington Post points out:

“They asked me before the election if I’d honor [the Oslo accords],” he said. “I said I would, but … I’m going to interpret the accords in such a way that would allow me to put an end to this galloping forward to the ‘67 borders. How did we do it? Nobody said what defined military zones were. Defined military zones are security zones; as far as I’m concerned, the entire Jordan Valley is a defined military zone. Go argue.”

Haaretz column on this:
haaretz.com

Here is the video, but it’s in Hebrew. English transcript in the youtube page.

Youtube Video
299 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:09:12pm

re: #235 Racer X

France fears widespread rioting as youths rampage after police shoot robber

Here we go again!

Yesterday’s news brought to you courtesy of the Daily Mail.

300 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:10:30pm

re: #297 researchok

3 point swish.

Nuthin but (inter)net, baby.

301 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:11:25pm

re: #278 Gus 802

Acts17. Remember that former Muslim turned thumper in Dearborn? The one that got arrested? Right here…

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

WTF? The Troll Hammer has gone freakazoid?

302 Interesting Times  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:11:56pm

re: #275 iceweasel

It’s a huge mess. Sorry, i’m really just here to say hi and make silly shakespeare jokes; if you want a thorough response and analysis check my page in a day or two when I can get into it fully.

Here’s a little something you could add to it (though I’m pretty sure you’ve seen it already):

Thanks, abstinence-only education!

Thanks to a decade of misinformation masquerading as sex education, teens are having the same amount of sex, using contraception less, and getting pregnant more.

303 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:12:18pm

re: #299 ryannon

Yesterday’s news brought to you courtesy of the Daily Mail.

For news its a poor paper, but the celebrity section is good for photos and gossip. But I’d never actually buy a copy. The Telegraph is a much better newspaper, IMO.

304 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:12:23pm

re: #301 Alouette

WTF? The Troll Hammer has gone freakazoid?

I don’t know. Can’t answer that question. :)

305 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:12:29pm

re: #301 Alouette

WTF? The Troll Hammer has gone freakazoid?

Has been for a couple of weeks. Usually on dead or dying threads. Uncool.

306 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:12:40pm

re: #298 Nimed

I’m hoping that some lizard who knows Hebrew says something about the tone of Netanyahu (which is obviously lost in the transcripts).

307 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:13:24pm

re: #302 publicityStunted

Saved. Will add and h/t you. :)

(I had seen it but probably wouldnt have bothered including it; thanks!)

308 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:14:18pm

re: #305 iceweasel

Has been for a couple of weeks. Usually on dead or dying threads. Uncool.

That freaking sucks.

309 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:15:26pm

I don’t think most of us really understand what an incredibly powerful tool we have with the LGF Pages. I posted this page about an hour ago. Now if I google “Glenn Beck Birch Society” I’m the 4th result above Dkos (which is still a huge site with lots of traffic), Crooks and Liars, and even ABC news. If I posted that on sone wordpress blog it probably would make the first 100 results. Fucking amazing.

310 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:16:57pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

probably wouldn’t make the first 100 results


Ugh. I stink.

311 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:17:33pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

I don’t think most of us really understand what an incredibly powerful tool we have with the LGF Pages. I posted this page about an hour ago. Now if I google “Glenn Beck Birch Society” I’m the 4th result above Dkos (which is still a huge site with lots of traffic), Crooks and Liars, and even ABC news. If I posted that on sone wordpress blog it probably would make the first 100 results. Fucking amazing.

Yep. Amazingly powerful.

312 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:18:02pm

re: #300 iceweasel

Nuthin but (inter)net, baby.

Before you ever got here I posted a story about getting my ass kicked by a High School guard in HORSE.. She was like 5’2” and was draining 3 pointers…She was a genius at trash talking..I should repost that story..
/Bitch..Wink

313 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:19:13pm

re: #305 iceweasel

Have you reported it?
That sounds like pretty bad behavior.
Let Stinky & Charles know!

314 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:19:38pm

re: #301 Alouette

WTF? The Troll Hammer has gone freakazoid?

Nothing surprises me any more.

315 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:19:44pm

re: #311 iceweasel

I’m also the 4th result for Robert Spencer Nazi above sites like Frontpage and Atlas Shrugs. Heh.

316 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:19:48pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

I don’t think most of us really understand what an incredibly powerful tool we have with the LGF Pages. I posted this page about an hour ago. Now if I google “Glenn Beck Birch Society” I’m the 4th result above Dkos (which is still a huge site with lots of traffic), Crooks and Liars, and even ABC news. If I posted that on sone wordpress blog it probably would make the first 100 results. Fucking amazing.

But, but, but, I thought we were just a bunch of irrelevant, Radical Progressive pawns of Soros.

///

317 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:20:30pm

re: #313 Floral Giraffe

Have you reported it?
That sounds like pretty bad behavior.
Let Stinky & Charles know!

I was more exercised by the tool accusing CJ of ad homs and engaging in assorted bitching about LGF.

I’m sure stinky and charles are on the other in any case.

318 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:20:44pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

But, but, but, I thought we were just a bunch of irrelevant, Radical Progressive pawns of Soros.

///

I think I’m totalitarian progressive not radical. I keep forgetting.

319 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:22:18pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

For news its a poor paper, but the celebrity section is good for photos and gossip. But I’d never actually buy a copy. The Telegraph is a much better newspaper, IMO.

It’s not so much even that (poor paper and notoriously anti-French) as the fact that the story is literally two days old. To my knowledge, the authorities are not fearing/expecting new riots - at least, not any more than usual. On a scale of one to five, France is always at about 3.5 when it comes to the possibility of riots in the suburban housing projects.

320 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:22:50pm

re: #318 Killgore Trout

I think I’m totalitarian progressive not radical. I keep forgetting.

Actually. It turned into a meatless flounce.

321 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:23:14pm
“Out, damned thought!”


Heh

322 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:23:43pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

I don’t think most of us really understand what an incredibly powerful tool we have with the LGF Pages. I posted this page about an hour ago. Now if I google “Glenn Beck Birch Society” I’m the 4th result above Dkos (which is still a huge site with lots of traffic), Crooks and Liars, and even ABC news. If I posted that on sone wordpress blog it probably would make the first 100 results. Fucking amazing.

Word.

323 Interesting Times  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:24:34pm

re: #307 iceweasel

(I had seen it but probably wouldnt have bothered including it; thanks!)

No problem :) Too bad you weren’t around yesterday for the thread where there was a brief discussion about Margaret Atwood’s novel The Handmaid’s Tale - someone else (I think CuriousLurker) said that, whenever she sees Palin she thinks of that book. I do too, especially when issues of reproductive freedom (or the lack thereof) come up. I mean, I *still* can’t fathom how access to frigging birth control is such an issue in the States, with some pharmacies refusing to sell it!! Forgive my language, but what the bloody fuck from the depths of hell kind of stupidity is that?! In Canada (by contrast), Plan B emergency contraception is not only available without a prescription, but advertised on the radio (er, not that I’ve ever had a need for it personally…but I’m definitely relieved and grateful it’s available to others who do!)

324 brennant  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:26:03pm

re: #322 Charles

You built this entire site using Word? That’s awesome!

325 webevintage  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:26:08pm

re: #115 MandyManners

Whoa. What did BHO call a potential pregnancy of one his daughters? A tragedy?

You know what?
If my son got a girl pregnant at his age (18) I would consider it a fucking tragedy.

326 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:26:17pm

re: #318 Killgore Trout

I think I’m totalitarian progressive not radical. I keep forgetting.

Pleasure to meet you. I’m Gus. Peronist Progressive and admirer of Che Guevara and consumer of snack foods. Occasionally I’ve been also considered a ring leader, big shot, fascist and totalitarian.

//

327 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:26:48pm

re: #321 Killgore Trout

All the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten this little tweet.


BBL

328 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:29:56pm

Sarah sez:

“Hey, kids! Teacher mark you down on a vocabulary test? Did your essay come back with red marks all over? Just tell those commie NEA thugs that Shakespeare made up words all the time, and that you know what you meant to say and if the teach don’t get it, snot your fault, now, is it? This works for me and I’m gonna be president some day, you betcha! And stay away from gonads!”

329 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:30:00pm

re: #323 publicityStunted

No problem :) Too bad you weren’t around yesterday for the thread where there was a brief discussion about Margaret Atwood’s novel The Handmaid’s Tale - someone else (I think CuriousLurker) said that, whenever she sees Palin she thinks of that book. I do too, especially when issues of reproductive freedom (or the lack thereof) come up. I mean, I *still* can’t fathom how access to frigging birth control is such an issue in the States, with some pharmacies refusing to sell it!! Forgive my language, but what the bloody fuck from the depths of hell kind of stupidity is that?! In Canada (by contrast), Plan B emergency contraception is not only available without a prescription, but advertised on the radio (er, not that I’ve ever had a need for it personally…but I’m definitely relieved and grateful it’s available to others who do!)

Oh I WISH i had been here for that—you couldnt get Plan B here without a prescription until what, 4 years ago? I used to bring it in from the UK for people here.

(not like I was a drug runner, lol, I just brought back a stash on every trip for friends, people who didnt have health care, etc)

there was a huge debate here a few months ago about Plan B because they wanted to make it available to 17 year olds w/o script— most people here were still under the misapprehension that it’s an abortificant like RU 486 (which, by the way, tho legal in europe from 86 on, you couldnt get here even with a doctor until very recently— no non-surgical abortions for YOU! )

330 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:31:00pm

re: #329 iceweasel

Oh I WISH i had been here for that—you couldnt get Plan B here without a prescription until what, 4 years ago? I used to bring it in from the UK for people here.

(not like I was a drug runner, lol, I just brought back a stash on every trip for friends, people who didnt have health care, etc)

there was a huge debate here a few months ago about Plan B because they wanted to make it available to 17 year olds w/o script— most people here were still under the misapprehension that it’s an abortificant like RU 486 (which, by the way, tho legal in europe from 86 on, you couldnt get here even with a doctor until very recently— no non-surgical abortions for YOU! )

Your story reminds me of the Simpson’s episode where Homer and Mr. Burns keep bringing in low cost drugs from Canada….

331 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:31:04pm

re: #324 brennant

You built this entire site using Word? That’s awesome!

LOL
No Word code that I can tell.. But..Charles..Dreamweaver code? I’m probably wrong on code base…

332 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:31:10pm

re: #318 Killgore Trout

I think I’m totalitarian progressive not radical. I keep forgetting.

Raddichio, not radical!
Gardening mode off…

333 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:31:36pm

My name is BigPapa: technologist, visionary, gluttonist.

All hail my meliflouride conflagurationings.

334 webevintage  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:32:34pm

Shootout suspect was mad at left-wing politics
sfgate.com

“”He hasn’t been able to get a job because he’s an ex-felon and nobody will hire him,” she said.

She said her son, who had been a carpenter and a cabinetmaker before his imprisonment, was angry about his unemployment and about “what’s happening to our country.”

Williams watched the news on television and was upset by “the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items,” his mother said.

She said she had planned to make salsa with her son on Sunday and was making preparations when she got a call from a television reporter, looked out the window and saw that her pickup truck was gone.

She said she then checked the locked safe where she kept her guns, all legally purchased and owned, and found that they were also missing.

Janice Williams said she kept the guns because “eventually, I think we’re going to be caught up in a revolution.” But she said she had told her son many times that “he didn’t have to be on the front lines.”

She said she had no explanation for his actions.”

335 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:34:06pm

re: #334 webevintage

Shootout suspect was mad at left-wing politics
[Link: www.sfgate.com…]

“”He hasn’t been able to get a job because he’s an ex-felon and nobody will hire him,” she said.

She said her son, who had been a carpenter and a cabinetmaker before his imprisonment, was angry about his unemployment and about “what’s happening to our country.”

Williams watched the news on television and was upset by “the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items,” his mother said.

She said she had planned to make salsa with her son on Sunday and was making preparations when she got a call from a television reporter, looked out the window and saw that her pickup truck was gone.

She said she then checked the locked safe where she kept her guns, all legally purchased and owned, and found that they were also missing.

Janice Williams said she kept the guns because “eventually, I think we’re going to be caught up in a revolution.” But she said she had told her son many times that “he didn’t have to be on the front lines.”

She said she had no explanation for his actions.”


That… that must have been heart breaking for that poor woman…

336 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:34:17pm

re: #333 BigPapa

I still love you avatar photo.

Good night all.

337 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:34:56pm

re: #334 webevintage

Shootout suspect was mad at left-wing politics
[Link: www.sfgate.com…]

“”He hasn’t been able to get a job because he’s an ex-felon and nobody will hire him,” she said.

She said her son, who had been a carpenter and a cabinetmaker before his imprisonment, was angry about his unemployment and about “what’s happening to our country.”

Williams watched the news on television and was upset by “the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items,” his mother said.

She said she had planned to make salsa with her son on Sunday and was making preparations when she got a call from a television reporter, looked out the window and saw that her pickup truck was gone.

She said she then checked the locked safe where she kept her guns, all legally purchased and owned, and found that they were also missing.

Janice Williams said she kept the guns because “eventually, I think we’re going to be caught up in a revolution.” But she said she had told her son many times that “he didn’t have to be on the front lines.”

She said she had no explanation for his actions.”

That’s criminal, not political.

338 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:35:15pm

Well, we are seeing the future. There are those who will money making over morals.
re: #334 webevintage

Shootout suspect was mad at left-wing politics
[Link: www.sfgate.com…]

“”He hasn’t been able to get a job because he’s an ex-felon and nobody will hire him,” she said.

She said her son, who had been a carpenter and a cabinetmaker before his imprisonment, was angry about his unemployment and about “what’s happening to our country.”

Williams watched the news on television and was upset by “the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items,” his mother said.

She said she had planned to make salsa with her son on Sunday and was making preparations when she got a call from a television reporter, looked out the window and saw that her pickup truck was gone.

She said she then checked the locked safe where she kept her guns, all legally purchased and owned, and found that they were also missing.

Janice Williams said she kept the guns because “eventually, I think we’re going to be caught up in a revolution.” But she said she had told her son many times that “he didn’t have to be on the front lines.”

She said she had no explanation for his actions.”

hmm, wonder what he was watching to get these ideas?

poison

339 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:35:39pm

Srsly, it’s just good sense to have Plan B in your medicine cabinet. It’s called plan B for a reason— you take it when your other control fails. Condoms do break, people miss pills, sometimes both in the same month. What the fuck is with this crazy bullshit of “I guess I’ll wait a month to see if I’m pregnant and then HAVE to have an abortion?”

The only people ‘using abortion as birth control’ are american women who are denied access to birth control — in part because the religious right here has thrown a block at every potential FDA clearance and even over-ruled them. (hello Bush admin!)

That is the reason why other countries have lower rates of surgical abortion, people— because American women do not and have not, for YEARS, had access to the birth control and technology that the rest of the western world takes for granted. Wake up!

340 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:35:58pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I just tried it with “Tezukayama” (the name of my latest post) and sure enough on Google it came up about 15 down from the top.

Learn something new every day!

341 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:36:47pm

re: #325 webevintage

You know what?
If my son got a girl pregnant at his age (18) I would consider it a fucking tragedy.

Actually …
it’s a very difficult situation, but not at all tragic
been there, done that.

342 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:36:53pm

re: #337 researchok

That’s criminal, not political.

Sure. You betcha. Fox News chipping away at the brain everyday has no effect whatsoever.

343 The Yankee  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:37:43pm

The next question she needs to be asked is if she is ok with Ebonics. You know us black folks should be able to add words to the english language too just like Shakespeare and the great Sarah Palin..

344 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:37:51pm

re: #342 Cato the Elder

Sure. You betcha. Fox News chipping away at the brain everyday has no effect whatsoever.

But I thought your head was made of stone?

345 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:38:04pm

re: #324 brennant

You built this entire site using Word? That’s awesome!

Real men don’t need syntax highlighting.

346 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:38:05pm

re: #342 Cato the Elder

Sure. You betcha. Fox News chipping away at the brain everyday has no effect whatsoever.

And when it’s the other way around? When a serious crime is committed by a progressive criminal?

347 Kragar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:38:19pm

English is a living breathing language, open to a variety of interpretations, except if its written in the bible or the Constitution.

348 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:38:23pm

re: #344 Gus 802

But I thought your head was made of stone?

Marble you twit, marble!

349 webevintage  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:38:27pm

re: #335 jamesfirecat

That… that must have been heart breaking for that poor woman…

I was thinking how ironic her last statement was….

350 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:38:48pm

re: #346 researchok

And when it’s the other way around? When a serious crime is committed by a progressive criminal?

I think the point was what is claimed by the actor as (one of) the motives for the action.

351 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:39:21pm

re: #348 Varek Raith

Marble you twit, marble!

Hmm, could be limestone.

352 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:39:46pm

re: #350 freetoken

I think the point was what is claimed by the actor as (one of) the motives for the action.

But, but, but…
HOLLYWOOD!
ASSASSINATION FILM!
BUUUSSSHHH!

353 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:39:54pm

re: #346 researchok

And when it’s the other way around? When a serious crime is committed by a progressive criminal?

It depends how much difference there is between what the news organization says and what the person believes.

The less difference, the more culpability the news organization has.

354 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:40:13pm

re: #335 jamesfirecat

She said she then checked the locked safe where she kept her guns, all legally purchased and owned, and found that they were also missing.

Hint to gun owners: if you have a locked safe where you keep your guns, all legally purchased and owned, but your son the angry felon has access to the key or combination, you are not a responsible owner and your guns are not “safe”. And you are a moron ans should go to jail.

355 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:40:31pm

re: #350 freetoken

I think the point was what is claimed by the actor as (one of) the motives for the action.

Possibly- but it still doesn’t negate the reality.

The guy committed a serious crime and now he’s looking to place the blame.

356 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:40:43pm

re: #346 researchok

And when it’s the other way around? When a serious crime is committed by a progressive criminal?

Blame Pravda.

357 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:40:58pm

re: #354 Cato the Elder

Hint to gun owners: if you have a locked safe where you keep your guns, all legally purchased and owned, but your son the angry felon has access to the key or combination, you are not a responsible owner and your guns are not “safe”. And you are a moron ans should go to jail.

Wonder what exactly that Felony he committed was….

358 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:41:13pm

Obdicut? SanFranZ? Allouete? LVQ?

Is there someone in the room who knows Hebrew?

359 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:42:41pm

re: #347 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or the World of Warcraft instructions…

360 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:42:51pm

re: #355 researchok

Possibly- but it still doesn’t negate the reality.

The guy committed a serious crime and now he’s looking to place the blame.

Uh, I read it as his Mother looking to blame, she of the “what’s happening to our country.” type.

361 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:43:02pm

re: #340 freetoken

Yeah, I just tried it with “Tezukayama” (the name of my latest post) and sure enough on Google it came up about 15 down from the top.

Learn something new every day!

If you were to post that on a wordpress blog you’d be way down the list. Many very talented bloggers don’t show up on the first page of a google search on any topic after many years of hard work. It’s really impressive what Charles has done with the pages feature.

We do need to step up our game with the pages. I know Dkos are stupid lefties but they have an established culture there with lots of commentary and value added content. Charles has given us the coding to give us high profile exposure and we should really put more effort into our posts. It’s an amazingly powerful tool and we should be using it better.

362 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:43:05pm

re: #358 Nimed

Obdicut? SanFranZ? Allouete? LVQ?

Is there someone in the room who knows Hebrew?

iGoogle serves all my Hebrew needs…

363 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:43:25pm

re: #346 researchok

And when it’s the other way around? When a serious crime is committed by a progressive criminal?

Bring that up next time an angry “ex-felon” (no such thing under the law, by the way) mentions how Rachel Maddow made him mad enough to go on a shooting spree.

364 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:43:37pm

re: #356 ryannon

Blame Pravda Prada.

365 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:44:16pm

re: #361 Killgore Trout

I just try to post stuff, others haven’t yet posted.
That I thought LGF’rs would find interesting.
Hangs head in shame.

366 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:44:50pm

re: #362 HoosierHoops

iGoogle serves all my Hebrew needs…

Thanks, but it’s spoken Hebrew in this case.

367 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:44:54pm

re: #364 ryannon


Might as well blame Gucci while you’re at it!

368 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:45:34pm

re: #360 Stanley Sea

Uh, I read it as his Mother looking to blame, she of the “what’s happening to our country.” type.

You may be right but violent crime crosses the line.

Bill Ayers, Red brigades, etc., were not progressives. They were criminals. Period

369 webevintage  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:46:20pm

re: #363 Cato the Elder

Bring that up next time an angry “ex-felon” (no such thing under the law, by the way) mentions how Rachel Maddow made him mad enough to go on a shooting spree.


I guess I’m a bit tired of pissed off people who are pissed at liberals or liberal pols going out and shooting policemen and people at church and, for the most part, the media ignoring the venom spewed by Beck and Limbaugh and Malkin and their buddies.
But OMG!!!! we have to be freaked out over the lame New Black Panther Party…..

370 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:46:26pm

re: #365 Floral Giraffe

I just try to post stuff, others haven’t yet posted.
That I thought LGF’rs would find interesting.
Hangs head in shame.

That’s ok, nothing wrong with that but I think we should be adding our own commentary as well. Not just links but adding perspective and connecting the dots.

371 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:46:28pm

re: #366 Nimed

Thanks, but it’s spoken Hebrew in this case.

Ludwig is your guy..I wish I could speak the language

372 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:46:53pm

re: #361 Killgore Trout

We do need to step up our game with the pages. I know Dkos are stupid lefties but they have an established culture there with lots of commentary and value added content. Charles has given us the coding to give us high profile exposure and we should really put more effort into our posts. It’s an amazingly powerful tool and we should be using it better.

No more LOLCats, Cracked articles, or absurd Juggo-American videos? :(

373 laZardo  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:47:21pm

re: #368 researchok

You may be right but violent crime crosses the line.

Bill Ayers, Red brigades, etc., were not progressives. They were criminals. Period

At least Bill Ayers retired from violence, especially after a certain work accident. A lot of these ultraconservatives never seem to learn.

374 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:47:36pm

re: #367 Floral Giraffe

Might as well blame Gucci while you’re at it!

As far as I know, the Devil doesn’t wear Gucci. Too expensive.

375 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:47:38pm

re: #368 researchok

You may be right but violent crime crosses the line.

Bill Ayers, Red brigades, etc., were not progressives. They were criminals. Period

Who brought them up other than you? I thought we were talking about some guy in the North West of America.

Not Ayers or the Red Brigade!!??

376 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:48:16pm

re: #361 Killgore Trout

Well, one thing I’ve noticed is that the top of the main LGF page - “top rated linkage” includes both Pages and Spin-offs, which I think sort of dilutes that function. I for one, and I expect others, don’t open a separate tab just for the “Pages” top page but use the triangle-controlled list at the top of the LGF home.

Other than that… I often have plenty of ideas but not enough time. To write a truly substantive entry that requires research, like I did with Robinson, takes 4 or 5 hours.

377 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:48:47pm

re: #375 Stanley Sea

Was that tu quoque? I forget.

378 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:49:27pm

“I told my son the angry felon that the guns were only there just for in case maybe when the revolution breaks out like Glans Blech says it could on his teevee show sometimes. How could I know he’d ever do anything silly with them? Our lives are over. Boo-hoo-hoo.”

379 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:49:38pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

That’s ok, nothing wrong with that but I think we should be adding our own commentary as well. Not just links but adding perspective and connecting the dots.

I’ll settle for everyone using it more. The Platonic form of a page is something to aspire to, but not enough people take advantage of it as it is. Let the LOLcats videos abound if that’s what people want!

Eventually even the person who uses it for that will wind up posting thoughts too.

380 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:49:47pm

re: #369 webevintage


But OMG!!! we have to be freaked out over the lame New Black Panther Party…

Seems more like the Black Kitteh Party. Aside from the thug out front of the polling place two years ago that Megyn Kelley still can’t get over they don’t seem like the boogeyman of their early days.

381 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:50:00pm

re: #358 Nimed

Obdicut? SanFranZ? Allouete? LVQ?

Is there someone in the room who knows Hebrew?

Are you talking about the “home video” released by Haaretz? The one where Bibi is talking to a room full of people who have just lost loved ones in a bus bombing?

Gideon Levy is such a freaking asshole, I have no words.

382 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:50:01pm

re: #377 Stanley Sea


Heh -

Tu quoque or not tu quoque,
that is the question.
- S. Palin

383 webevintage  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:50:16pm

re: #368 researchok

You may be right but violent crime crosses the line.

Bill Ayers, Red brigades, etc., were not progressives. They were criminals. Period

They are criminals.
But they are more then that.
They are the end result of what is spewed day after day on FOXNews and on these right-wing radio shows.
Yes, we all have responsibility for our actions but this is what happens when depressed, desperate folks have access to weapons and voices constantly saying that “eventually, I think we’re going to be caught up in a revolution.”

384 darthstar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:50:54pm

Get thee to a gunnery… That’s pretty good.

385 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:50:58pm

re: #375 Stanley Sea

Who brought them up other than you? I thought we were talking about some guy in the North West of America.

Not Ayers or the Red Brigade!!??

You’re right. Apologies. I should not have directed my remarks to you.

My point was that crime is crime. Blaming a political agenda is BS in my opinion.

386 Political Atheist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:51:00pm

re: #361 Killgore Trout

What would you like to see more of?

387 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:51:49pm

re: #380 BigPapa

Seems more like the Black Kitteh Party. Aside from the thug out front of the polling place two years ago that Megyn Kelley still can’t get over they don’t seem like the boogeyman of their early days.

Ain’t no party like a pussy party!

(I’ll go quietly to the corner now…)

388 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:51:50pm

I not knowledgeable of any criminologists who have investigated how many crimes are truly ideologically motivated - I’m pretty ignorant of that field.

However, I’ve got to think someone has studied this.

389 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:52:01pm

re: #386 Rightwingconspirator

Pr0n. Oh, you were asking Killgore? My bad.

390 Interesting Times  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:52:03pm

re: #376 freetoken

Other than that… I often have plenty of ideas but not enough time. To write a truly substantive entry that requires research, like I did with Robinson, takes 4 or 5 hours.

True. It would be great if we could somehow save a Page in progress and finish it later, right “on-site”, as it were (or can that be done already and I just missed it somehow?)

391 darthstar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:52:05pm

Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.

Engineers monitoring BP’s damaged well in the Gulf of Mexico detected seepage on the ocean floor that could mean problems with the cap that has stopped oil from gushing into the water, the U.S. government’s top oil spill official said on Sunday.

snip

But late on Sunday, the U.S. government released a letter to BP Chief Managing Director Bob Dudley from retired Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen that referred to seepage near the mile-deep (1.6 km-deep) well as well as “undetermined anomalies at the well head.”

“I direct you to provide me a written procedure for opening the choke valve as quickly as possible without damaging the well should hydrocarbon seepage near the well head be confirmed,” Allen wrote.

cnbc.com

392 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:52:14pm

re: #383 webevintage

They are criminals.
But they are more then that.
They are the end result of what is spewed day after day on FOXNews and on these right-wing radio shows.
Yes, we all have responsibility for our actions but this is what happens when depressed, desperate folks have access to weapons and voices constantly saying that “eventually, I think we’re going to be caught up in a revolution.”

And what produced Ayers, the SLA, etc, was somehow different or better?

393 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:52:20pm

Wingnuts gone wild….
Shootout suspect was mad at left-wing politics

A 45-year-old parolee, described by his mother as angry at left-wing politicians, opened fire on California Highway Patrol officers on an Oakland freeway early Sunday and was hit by return fire while wearing body armor, authorities said.

Tea Party!

394 BryanS  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:52:29pm

Palin’s incromulent use of the word refudiate only ensmallens her arguments.

395 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:52:48pm

re: #382 freetoken

Heh -

Oh gracias!

396 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:53:22pm

re: #385 researchok

You’re right. Apologies. I should not have directed my remarks to you.

My point was that crime is crime. Blaming a political agenda is BS in my opinion.

Would it be wrong to say that Scott Roder’s murdering George Tiller wasn’t political at all?

397 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:53:30pm

re: #391 darthstar

Speaking of the Pages, there is an entry on that up there.

398 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:53:46pm
English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!

That’s quite witty actually. I wonder who wrote that for her? She’s just yanking everyone’s chain with that comparison I’m sure. She’s not really comparing herself to the Bard. Its all part of the folksy image she’s crafting. What better way to connect to the base than get a million tongues a wagging over her unsophisticated knowledge of the language.

399 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:54:04pm

re: #366 Nimed

Alouette could help, or Ludwig…

400 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:54:32pm

re: #385 researchok

You’re right. Apologies. I should not have directed my remarks to you.

My point was that crime is crime. Blaming a political agenda is BS in my opinion.

So if someone listens to “The Political Cesspool” and reads and comments on Stormfront every day and then goes and tries to shoot up some cops on a freeway and says he did it because of those influences, the correct response is to ignore all that and say those nice places had nothing to do with it?

Mmkay.

401 darthstar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:54:36pm

re: #393 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts gone wild…
Shootout suspect was mad at left-wing politics

Tea Party!

I had a feeling it was a wing-nut when they said he was shot several times and in stable condition because he was wearing body armor. That’s not something you pick up at The Gap.

402 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:54:55pm

re: #381 Alouette

Are you talking about the “home video” released by Haaretz? The one where Bibi is talking to a room full of people who have just lost loved ones in a bus bombing?

Gideon Levy is such a freaking asshole, I have no words.

The video was originally shown in a TV program called “This Week With Miki Rosenthal”. Needless to say, I have no idea who Miki Rosenthal or Gidean Levy is (it’s strange that that was an opinion column instead of straight reporting).

Do you understand spoken Hebrew? What do you make of the video?

403 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:54:57pm

re: #391 darthstar

Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.

[Link: www.cnbc.com…]

Oh Crap…You know for the last 2 days we have wondered where the missing 1200psi was hiding…The plug never did hit 8200psi…

404 webevintage  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:55:16pm

re: #392 researchok

And what produced Ayers, the SLA, etc, was somehow different or better?

Of course not.
But that is not happening now and they did not kill two policemen on the side of the highway outside of Memphis for the simple act of being pulled over or got in a shoot out with police in CA or shot 7 people in a church in TN.
This is not a tit for tat thing…

405 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:55:33pm

re: #403 HoosierHoops

Oh Crap…You know for the last 2 days we have wondered where the missing 1200psi was hiding…The plug never did hit 8200psi…


FBV eated it.
/

406 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:55:36pm

re: #396 jamesfirecat

Would it be wrong to say that Scott Roder’s murdering George Tiller wasn’t political at all?

Yes. He was/is one sick bastard. He sought out misfits who triggered his dysfunction.

407 Political Atheist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:55:37pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

That’s ok, nothing wrong with that but I think we should be adding our own commentary as well. Not just links but adding perspective and connecting the dots.

I thought we would see more action inside some of the pages, as in our usual back and forth points and counterpoints. My observation is when we put in substantial news with some commentary of our own it gets good views, good clicks, maybe some up dings, but very little actual debate.

408 laZardo  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:55:47pm

re: #392 researchok

And what produced Ayers, the SLA, etc, was somehow different or better?

Impatience at the Civil Rights Movement’s momentum being lost in the escalation of the Vietnam War, and outrage at said war that mixed in rather nastily with the impulse of youth.

409 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:56:25pm

re: #386 Rightwingconspirator

What would you like to see more of?

I think just added value to a news story or more original content. I’m always impressed when someone takes the time to tie together 2 or 3 news stories into a cohesive narrative or even just posting original content of pics from their garden. I have no objection to just posting a link (it’s what I did with the Glenn Beck Birch Society thing) but I think we could be using the pages feature more effectively. It’s actually a very powerful tool.

410 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:56:26pm

re: #392 researchok

And what produced Ayers, the SLA, etc, was somehow different or better?

AYERS? Get current and out of 1967 or the rehash in 2008 PLEASE.

Oh yeah, you will provide all the reasons why Ayers is relevant. HE’S NOT. omg it will never end.

411 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:56:30pm

re: #394 BryanS

Palin’s incromulent use of the word refudiate only ensmallens her arguments auguments.


Just a little FIFY.

412 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:56:46pm

re: #399 Floral Giraffe

Alouette could help, or Ludwig…

Thanks FL, Allouete is in here.

413 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:56:52pm

re: #391 darthstar

Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.

[Link: www.cnbc.com…]

The Roi has been concerned enough about this integrity test that he sent an e-mail to the Governor’s office, telling them they should protest this. He felt all along they should should begin collection process, and not deal with the integrity test, which could place additional stresses on the thing and create seeps and leaks elsewhere, not just near the wellhead.

This is not good news.

I put a page up about this seepage earlier today.

414 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:57:10pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

So, have you posted frog or tadpole pictures?
I need to go look!

415 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:57:17pm

re: #401 darthstar

I had a feeling it was a wing-nut when they said he was shot several times and in stable condition because he was wearing body armor. That’s not something you pick up at The Gap.

Hey we Liberals can wear body armor also! At least as long as its environmentally sound spidersilk armor gathered from naturally raised spiders in their native habitat without harming them and making sure they were provided with plenty of food in the process!

416 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:57:38pm

re: #404 webevintage

Of course not.
But that is not happening now and they did not kill two policemen on the side of the highway outside of Memphis for the simple act of being pulled over or got in a shoot out with police in CA or shot 7 people in a church in TN.
This is not a tit for tat thing…

How about the lefties who support Hamas, Hizbollah, etc etc.

Are they to blame for causing terror.

417 Interesting Times  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:58:06pm

re: #385 researchok

My point was that crime is crime. Blaming a political agenda is BS in my opinion.

Please find me a RECENT example of “left-wing”-inspired violence equivalent to:

- abortion clinic bombings
- Oklahoma City
- the attack on the 1996 summer Olympics in Atlanta
- the Tennessee church shootings (by someone who “blamed liberals” for the country’s problems)
- that white supremacist whackjob who posted at freerepublic and then shot up the Holocaust museum
- another white supremacist whackjob who killed police officers in Philadelphia, allegedly because they were “coming to take his guns”
- the leaking of the names of 1300 Hispanic Utah residents because there were “illegals”
- Scott Roeder

etc etc etc etc ETC

418 laZardo  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:58:12pm

re: #415 jamesfirecat

Hey we Liberals can wear body armor also! At least as long as its environmentally sound spidersilk armor gathered from naturally raised spiders in their native habitat without harming them and making sure they were provided with plenty of food in the process!

Being a reptile, I just recycle my molted hide.

419 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:58:22pm

re: #416 researchok

How about the lefties who support Hamas, Hizbollah, etc etc.

Are they to blame for causing terror.

How about the righties supporting the death penalty for gays in Uganda?
Fun game, this.

420 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:58:32pm

re: #398 Mich-again

That’s quite witty actually. I wonder who wrote that for her? She’s just yanking everyone’s chain with that comparison I’m sure. She’s not really comparing herself to the Bard. Its all part of the folksy image she’s crafting. What better way to connect to the base than get a million tongues a wagging over her unsophisticated knowledge of the language.

Mich - I disagree, this was the day she was away from her handlers. Same with the palm cheat sheet. But yes, she does benefit from her own, uh, naivete?

421 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:58:42pm

re: #388 freetoken

I not knowledgeable of any criminologists who have investigated how many crimes are truly ideologically motivated - I’m pretty ignorant of that field.

However, I’ve got to think someone has studied this.

Probably not someone without an ideological motivation.

No seriously, crimes like those have certain commonalities, in many cases if not most what is relevant is the person. A person with a desire to harm people will find an ideology anywhere that justifies it. Some on the left (unibomber) some on the right (mcveigh).

What’s happening now is that certain strands favouring forms of wingnut paranoia have combined. So we see wingnuts committing idesologically motivated violent crimes. Some of those people would just as easily have used a leftwing justification. Some of them, many, are pushed over the edge by the wingnut fearmongering and hate about libs— but if the economy weren’t bad, etc, maybe it wouldnt have taken hold.

On an individual level the motivators for these crimes include recent stress factors in the person’s life: divorce, losing a job, etc. In a bad economy lots of people are losing jobs. There’s a dem POTUS, so blame the dems. And that doesnt even go into the hate radio on the right and more.

We’d see an uptick in certain forms of violence and paranoia now regardless of who won the election. Given that it was Obama, a black man and a dem, we’re seeing even more.

422 Kragar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:58:52pm

re: #413 reine.de.tout

The Roi has been concerned enough about this integrity test that he sent an e-mail to the Governor’s office, telling them they should protest this. He felt all along they should should begin collection process, and not deal with the integrity test, which could place additional stresses on the thing and create seeps and leaks elsewhere, not just near the wellhead.

This is not good news.

I put a page up about this seepage earlier today.

We’re all gonna fucking die.

423 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:58:55pm

re: #402 Nimed

The video was originally shown in a TV program called “This Week With Miki Rosenthal”. Needless to say, I have no idea who Miki Rosenthal or Gidean Levy is (it’s strange that that was an opinion column instead of straight reporting).

Do you understand spoken Hebrew? What do you make of the video?

Yes, I listened to the video. Bibi is visiting a family who has just lost loved ones in a bus bombing. They are telling him, “I am afraid to go outside. I am afraid to travel to the city,” etc.

This was at the time when there was a terrorist attack or bus bombing almost every other day.

Gideon Levy is a well-known “post Zionist” Hamas-enabling shill. His love for terrorists is only surpassed by his seething hatred for “settlers” and religious Jews.

424 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:59:35pm

re: #419 Varek Raith

How about the righties supporting the death penalty for gays in Uganda?
Fun game, this.

EXACTLY.

They are all criminals

425 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 8:59:51pm

re: #407 Rightwingconspirator

I thought we would see more action inside some of the pages, as in our usual back and forth points and counterpoints. My observation is when we put in substantial news with some commentary of our own it gets good views, good clicks, maybe some up dings, but very little actual debate.

I think it’ll take some time for us to get used to the new feature and learn how to use it.

426 darthstar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:00:00pm

re: #422 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We’re all gonna fucking die.

Must I correct you again?

We’re all gonna die fucking.

427 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:00:20pm

re: #425 Killgore Trout

I think it’ll take some time for us to get used to the new feature and learn how to use it.

I iz afraid of CHANGE!

428 Kragar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:00:29pm

re: #426 darthstar

Must I correct you again?

We’re all gonna die fucking.

We’re all already fucked.

429 laZardo  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:00:41pm

re: #417 publicityStunted

Youtube Video

Administration-sponsored, too. Left- and Right-wing are quite capable of violence.

430 webevintage  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:01:13pm

re: #416 researchok

How about the lefties who support Hamas, Hizbollah, etc etc.
Are they to blame for causing terror.

What the hell does that have to do with what is going on in America right now and the rise of right-wing violence and hate groups?
Jesus, I just said this is not a tit for tat thing.
We are not children, we have got to stop this shit of “mom Johnny did it so I can do it too”.

431 laZardo  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:01:31pm

re: #426 darthstar

Must I correct you again?

We’re all gonna die fucking.

The best way to go out. ):

432 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:01:32pm

re: #426 darthstar

Must I correct you again?

We’re all gonna die fucking.

Youtube Video
433 Interesting Times  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:01:38pm

re: #429 laZardo

[Video]Administration-sponsored, too. Left- and Right-wing are quite capable of violence.

I meant in the US only (forgot to specify)

434 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:01:51pm

re: #416 researchok

How about the lefties who support Hamas, Hizbollah, etc etc.

Are they to blame for causing terror.

Football field

435 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:01:53pm

re: #422 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We’re all gonna fucking die.

Ah, no, that’s not going to happen.

It’s just another bit of evidence of BP’s total incompetence (according to the Roi), that they thought the integrity test needed to be done in the first place, rather than just starting the collection process.

At the time the new cap was put on, there were no seepages. The Roi’s concern, as told to me, was that the integrity test put pressure there that would cause the oil find other outlets - either other places to come out on the sea floor, or seepage into a reservoir at a different level, causing different sorts of problems.

I hope these tests aren’t an indication of problems that can’t be dealt with.

436 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:02:29pm

re: #405 Varek Raith

FBV eated it.
/

LOL
But the well cap pressure never did hit 8200psi as predicted by the scientists..
Last I heard..And correct me if I’m wrong..But the pressure is a tad above 7000psi. That is worrisome to say the least..They have vent or something…We cannot afford another leak before the relief hole goes in…

437 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:02:55pm

Glenn Beck & Co. already have blood on their hands, in my opinion. At what point does the law against incitement to violence kick in?

438 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:03:08pm

re: #423 Alouette


Gideon Levy is a well-known “post Zionist” Hamas-enabling shill. His love for terrorists is only surpassed by his seething hatred for “settlers” and religious Jews.

Excuse me— does he hate all settlers, Alouette, or just the ones in illegal settlements?
Does he hate all ‘religious Jews’? What exactly does ‘religious Jew’ mean in this context?

i know some Israelis who despise some the illegal settlers, and they’d get plenty pissed if someone suggested they weren’t a ‘religious Jew’. Just sayin.

I’m having trouble understanding why haaretz would be publishing someone who hated ‘all religious jews’ and was a ‘hamas enabling shill’. Perhaps you can enlighten me, I would appreciate it. Thank you.

439 darthstar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:03:11pm

re: #431 laZardo

The best way to go out. ):

Go coming. Irony raised to infinity.

440 laZardo  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:03:15pm

brb food. O:

441 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:03:24pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

I think just added value to a news story or more original content. I’m always impressed when someone takes the time to tie together 2 or 3 news stories into a cohesive narrative or even just posting original content of pics from their garden.

Of course you would say something like that, you’re part of the biased, Hortorium-wing landscaping media.

442 Ebetty  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:03:56pm

Popping the popcorn, another great night to watch and learn here at LGF.

443 laZardo  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:03:59pm

re: #439 darthstar

Go coming. Irony raised to infinity.

Only if you take your Viagra with laxative.

444 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:04:07pm

re: #420 Stanley Sea

Mich - I disagree, this was the day she was away from her handlers. Same with the palm cheat sheet. But yes, she does benefit from her own, uh, naivete?

Oh I do think the original post with the made-up word was her own doing, but the funny response may have involved “help”. Then again, she used the same made-up word the other day and if her handlers are of any use at all they should have told her about her mistake to prevent another occurrence. Unless the whole thing was contrived just to tweak her many detractors. hmm.

445 darthstar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:04:07pm

re: #416 researchok

How about the lefties who support Hamas, Hizbollah, etc etc.

Are they to blame for causing terror.

Red herring much? Of course you do.

446 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:04:15pm

re: #430 webevintage

What the hell does that have to do with what is going on in America right now and the rise of right-wing violence and hate groups?
Jesus, I just said this is not a tit for tat thing.
We are not children, we have got to stop this shit of “mom Johnny did it so I can do it too”.

Fail at the argument, GO DEEPER.

fucking a

447 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:04:35pm

re: #430 webevintage

What the hell does that have to do with what is going on in America right now and the rise of right-wing violence and hate groups?
Jesus, I just said this is not a tit for tat thing.
We are not children, we have got to stop this shit of “mom Johnny did it so I can do it too”.

For truth

448 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:04:58pm

re: #441 Slumbering Behemoth

Celeriac Uber Alles

Youtube Video
449 Kefirah  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:05:13pm

my wish for shakespalin:

exit, pursued by a bear.

450 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:05:58pm

re: #430 webevintage

What the hell does that have to do with what is going on in America right now and the rise of right-wing violence and hate groups?
Jesus, I just said this is not a tit for tat thing.
We are not children, we have got to stop this shit of “mom Johnny did it so I can do it too”.

The support of Hamas, Hizbollah, JIhad, etc, by some elements on the left has a lot to do with us in America, not the least iof which is the justification or apologetic of terror that has killed Americans.

Not to mention the encouragement and aid afforded some of these terror groups.

My point is simple- crime is crime. Using politics to shield crime is BS.

Communists did it, Rightists did it as well as everyone in between.

It’s BS

451 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:06:02pm

Palin should try tweeting in Iambic Pentameter. Then she’d really impress me.

452 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:06:58pm

re: #449 Kefirah

my wish for shakespalin:

exit, pursued by a bear wolf.

FTFY.

453 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:07:08pm

re: #393 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts gone wild…
Shootout suspect was mad at left-wing politics

Tea Party!

What a piece of shit. I hope he gets life.

454 darthstar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:07:52pm

re: #451 Mich-again

Palin should try tweeting in Iambic Pentameter. Then she’d really impress me.

She’d say, “Iambic Pentameter? That sounds French.”

455 Kefirah  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:07:56pm

re: #452 Cato the Elder

a wolf really would smack of shakespearean justice, but the original stage direction was too good to pass up.

456 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:08:28pm

re: #450 researchok

The support of Hamas, Hizbollah, JIhad, etc, by some elements on the left has a lot to do with us in America, not the least iof which is the justification or apologetic of terror that has killed Americans.

Not to mention the encouragement and aid afforded some of these terror groups.

My point is simple- crime is crime. Using politics to shield crime is BS.

Communists did it, Rightists did it as well as everyone in between.

It’s BS

How in THE HELL did you get to this conversation about “some elemements of the left” from this thread?? ?? ?? ?

457 webevintage  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:09:01pm

re: #437 Cato the Elder

Glenn Beck & Co. already have blood on their hands, in my opinion. At what point does the law against incitement to violence kick in?

I wonder what Fox’s spin on this story will be?
Will they point out only that he is an ex-con or will they say he was a depressed man out of work in Obama’s America or will they also mention that him and his mother believe that there is a coming revolution?

458 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:09:31pm

re: #430 webevintage

What the hell does that have to do with what is going on in America right now and the rise of right-wing violence and hate groups?
Jesus, I just said this is not a tit for tat thing.
We are not children, we have got to stop this shit of “mom Johnny did it so I can do it too”.

re: #447 Stanley Sea

For truth

There is no doubt at all that there is a rise in right-wing hate and right-wing violence. No doubt about it at all.

But a few months ago some guy pissed off with right-wingers flew a plane into a house, killed himself, a couple of others, and the discussions here were oh-so-carefully focused on how this lone guy was a NUT, and not really a gone-wild left-winger.

Could the same argument be made about this incident? I don’t know enough to say so yet. But if it’s a possibility, could we not wait before we blame the right-wing for this one guy’s action?

459 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:09:50pm

re: #448 Killgore Trout

Make it New World Ordery…

Youtube Video
460 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:09:55pm

re: #47 reine.de.tout

Aww, you left out when he retweeted us! ;)

Twice. ;)

461 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:10:10pm

re: #457 webevintage

I wonder what Fox’s spin on this story will be?
Will they point out only that he is an ex-con or will they say he was a depressed man out of work in Obama’s America or will they also mention that him and his mother believe that there is a coming revolution?

No story. Unless they link it to Ayers!!

462 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:10:13pm

re: #456 Stanley Sea

How in THE HELL did you get to this conversation about “some elemements of the left” from this thread?? ?? ?? ?

Using politics as an excuse for criminal behavior.

463 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:10:53pm

re: #460 iceweasel

Aww, you left out when he retweeted us! ;)

Twice. ;)

sorry, just glanced at it for a bit, saw those three, and then moved on.

464 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:11:09pm

re: #423 Alouette

Yes, I listened to the video. Bibi is visiting a family who has just lost loved ones in a bus bombing. They are telling him, “I am afraid to go outside. I am afraid to travel to the city,” etc.

This was at the time when there was a terrorist attack or bus bombing almost every other day.

Gideon Levy is a well-known “post Zionist” Hamas-enabling shill. His love for terrorists is only surpassed by his seething hatred for “settlers” and religious Jews.

There was no info on the people Netanyahu was talking to (I assumed they were friends/family members. Levy is described in WaPo as a “a left-leaning columnist for Haaretz newspaper”. What’s a “post Zionist” Israeli, anyway? I don’t know much about politics in Israel, but I assume Israeli citizens are in favor of the self-determination of Israel.

465 pharmmajor  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:11:46pm

Donde esta mi chupacabra?

466 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:11:49pm

re: #455 Kefirah

a wolf really would smack of shakespearean justice, but the original stage direction was too good to pass up.

True that. It’s useful with other people too:

[Alarums within. Glenn Beck enters, then runs around screaming.]

Beck: BEWARE OBAMA! HE’S USING ALINSKY TACTICS TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRESSIVE MASTER PLAN!!1 HE PLANS TO MAKE SLAVES OF US ALL!1 BUY GOLD!!!11

467 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:11:52pm

re: #462 researchok

Using politics as an excuse for criminal behavior.

That you conveniently twisted. Puleeze.

468 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:12:10pm

A man can only know so many words.
To try to know them all is just absurd.
So if I make some up along the way
I see no cause to think its not OK.

469 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:12:22pm

re: #465 pharmmajor

Check your shorts.

470 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:12:34pm

re: #465 pharmmajor

mi back yard

471 darthstar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:12:37pm

re: #437 Cato the Elder

Glenn Beck & Co. already have blood on their hands, in my opinion. At what point does the law against incitement to violence kick in?

Two policemen were shot in the exchange with the gunman. The fact that he was wearing body armor is good. Had he been killed, he wouldn’t be able to spew the talking points which will ultimately become a part of this story.

472 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:12:37pm

re: #438 iceweasel

Excuse me— does he hate all settlers, Alouette, or just the ones in illegal settlements?
Does he hate all ‘religious Jews’? What exactly does ‘religious Jew’ mean in this context?

i know some Israelis who despise some the illegal settlers, and they’d get plenty pissed if someone suggested they weren’t a ‘religious Jew’. Just sayin.

I’m having trouble understanding why haaretz would be publishing someone who hated ‘all religious jews’ and was a ‘hamas enabling shill’. Perhaps you can enlighten me, I would appreciate it. Thank you.

Here is my guide to Israeli media.

Haaretz is a leftist organ. They are generally accurate as far as news articles go, but very pro-Palestinian and very much against “settlers” (anyone who lives outside the 1949 cease-fire lines) and generally against “Haredi” (“ultra-Orthodox”) Jews who live anywhere in Israel.

YNet (Yediot Aharonot) is ferociously anti-haredi, but has been known to defend the settlers and religious Zionists from time to time, and to attack them at other times. They are primarily a tabloid.

Jerusalem Post tries to be middle of the road but they have some moonbats writing anti-settler and anti-religious op-eds. (Larry Derfner and Gershon Baskin)

Arutz 7 (israelnationalnews.com) is the wingnut Israeli equivalent of Fox News.

473 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:13:02pm

re: #466 Dark_Falcon

True that. It’s useful with other people too:

[Alarums within. Glenn Beck enters, then runs around screaming.]

Beck: BEWARE OBAMA! HE’S USING ALINSKY TACTICS TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRESSIVE MASTER PLAN!!1 HE PLANS TO MAKE SLAVES OF US ALL!1 BUY GOLD!!!11

Once card check passes we will all be forced to become SEIU members. Even your mom and dad!

/

474 pharmmajor  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:13:51pm

re: #468 Mich-again

A man can only know so many words.
To try to know them all is just absurd.
So if I make some up along the way
I see no cause to think its not OK.

Hell, Dr. Seuss used to make up words all the time, and it worked out pretty well for him. Maybe this means Palin should start writing children’s books; it would at least be on a reading level she could comprehend.

Youtube Video
475 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:13:55pm

re: #465 pharmmajor

Donde esta mi chupacabra?

No habla espanjol.

476 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:14:03pm

re: #462 researchok

Using politics as an excuse for criminal behavior.

Was someone doing that? Not piling on you, I’m multitasking and not up with the thread.
I didnt think anyone had?

There’s a few people here who spew OH YEAH AYERS WRIGHT BLARGH every time some mention of rightwing violence comes up (or any criticism of the right).

You’re not one of them but maybe that’s why people are responding vehemently? (I do this myself all the time)

477 Kefirah  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:14:05pm

re: #472 Alouette

good to see you ‘round. hope you have a meaningful fast tomorrow night and tuesday.

478 pharmmajor  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:14:15pm

re: #469 Slumbering Behemoth

Check your shorts.

Are you coming on to me???

479 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:14:53pm

re: #437 Cato the Elder

Glenn Beck & Co. already have blood on their hands, in my opinion. At what point does the law against incitement to violence kick in?

The lawyers could answer that in detail, but its a very difficult case for a prosecutor to make in Court.

480 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:15:14pm

re: #465 pharmmajor

Donde esta mi chupacabra?

Press two.

481 calochortus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:15:18pm

re: #357 jamesfirecat

Wonder what exactly that Felony he committed was…

Apologies if someone has already answered the question-too many posts to catch up on- but one of his felonies was apparently bank robbery. There was I believe a 2nd felony, but I don’t know what it was.
Naturally this is all the fault of liberals and the government. Everyone should be entitled to rob a bank now and then.

482 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:15:20pm

re: #467 Stanley Sea

That you conveniently twisted. Puleeze.

Stanley, it isn’t just right politics that can foster bad behavior,

483 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:15:43pm

re: #464 Nimed

There was no info on the people Netanyahu was talking to (I assumed they were friends/family members. Levy is described in WaPo as a “a left-leaning columnist for Haaretz newspaper”. What’s a “post Zionist” Israeli, anyway? I don’t know much about politics in Israel, but I assume Israeli citizens are in favor of the self-determination of Israel.

A “post Zionist” is a Jew or Israeli who is ambivalent about Israel’s continued right to exist as a Jewish state, who recommends alternatives such as a “one state solution” where Israel is swamped by an influx of millions of “returning Palestinians” who change the character of the state from a state of refuge for Jews, to an Islamic majority state where Jews are barely tolerated as a minority.

484 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:15:45pm

re: #478 pharmmajor

Nope, just giving you an idea where to look.

Are you coming on to me???

Wait, on second thought, that depends on how much your willing to pay me.

485 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:16:29pm

re: #476 iceweasel

Was someone doing that? Not piling on you, I’m multitasking and not up with the thread.
I didnt think anyone had?

There’s a few people here who spew OH YEAH AYERS WRIGHT BLARGH every time some mention of rightwing violence comes up (or any criticism of the right).

You’re not one of them but maybe that’s why people are responding vehemently? (I do this myself all the time)

I don’t know why they’d bring up Wright. He’s an asshole, but he’s never advocated violence.

486 Interesting Times  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:17:09pm

re: #462 researchok

Using politics as an excuse for criminal behavior.

Not what’s being done as far as I can see - we’re talking about how certain ideologies egged on by bad conditions and opportunistic demagogues make violent behavior more likely, or create a climate where previously unacceptable behavior no longer is (see Radio Rwanda - beck’s rhetoric reminds me of them more and more)

And on that note, thunderstorm in my area so I have to log off (since my connection could go kthxbai at any minute)

‘Night everyone!

487 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:17:15pm

re: #472 Alouette

Here is my guide to Israeli media.

Haaretz is a leftist organ. They are generally accurate as far as news articles go, but very pro-Palestinian and very much against “settlers” (anyone who lives outside the 1949 cease-fire lines) and generally against “Haredi” (“ultra-Orthodox”) Jews who live anywhere in Israel.

YNet (Yediot Aharonot) is ferociously anti-haredi, but has been known to defend the settlers and religious Zionists from time to time, and to attack them at other times. They are primarily a tabloid.

Jerusalem Post tries to be middle of the road but they have some moonbats writing anti-settler and anti-religious op-eds. (Larry Derfner and Gershon Baskin)

Arutz 7 (israelnationalnews.com) is the wingnut Israeli equivalent of Fox News.

thank you, very helpful

I was under the impression that haaretz is a major, if leftleaning, Israeli news organ though? Is it really accurate to call them “pro-Palestinian”?
Isn’t that like calling the New York Times “pro-jihadi”?

488 researchok  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:17:20pm

re: #476 iceweasel

Was someone doing that? Not piling on you, I’m multitasking and not up with the thread.
I didnt think anyone had?

There’s a few people here who spew OH YEAH AYERS WRIGHT BLARGH every time some mention of rightwing violence comes up (or any criticism of the right).

You’re not one of them but maybe that’s why people are responding vehemently? (I do this myself all the time)

My point is that politics is more often than not used as an excuse for crime. That applies to both left and right.

489 darthstar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:17:33pm

re: #479 Mich-again

The lawyers could answer that in detail, but its a very difficult case for a prosecutor to make in Court.

True…Bill O’Reilly basically called for the death of Dr. Tiller with his “Tiller the baby killer” rhetoric, and when someone took him up on it, he immediately backtracked so fast he was barely criticized for his rhetoric.

490 Political Atheist  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:18:00pm

re: #437 Cato the Elder

Glenn Beck & Co. already have blood on their hands, in my opinion. At what point does the law against incitement to violence kick in?

I expect his arrest at the same time as Maxine Waters “No justice no peace” during the Rodney King riot. One a pundit one a member of Congress at the time. Unfortunately, never.

491 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:18:08pm

re: #485 Dark_Falcon

I don’t know why they’d bring up Wright. He’s an asshole, but he’s never advocated violence.

I think he’s been a proponent of being an asshole, but not violence. Just a minor quibble.

492 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:18:50pm

re: #474 pharmmajor

Hell, Dr. Seuss used to make up words all the time, and it worked out pretty well for him. Maybe this means Palin should start writing children’s books; it would at least be on a reading level she could comprehend.

Theodor Geisel made some great political cartoons during WWII before he got famous for writing childrens’ books.

493 pharmmajor  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:19:25pm

re: #489 darthstar

True…Bill O’Reilly basically called for the death of Dr. Tiller with his “Tiller the baby killer” rhetoric, and when someone took him up on it, he immediately backtracked so fast he was barely criticized for his rhetoric.

On that note, do you believe William Powell should have been arrested for writing The Anarchist’s Cookbook, which outlined the development of bombs and deadly compounds such as ricin?

494 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:19:32pm

re: #487 iceweasel

thank you, very helpful

I was under the impression that haaretz is a major, if leftleaning, Israeli news organ though? Is it really accurate to call them “pro-Palestinian”?
Isn’t that like calling the New York Times “pro-jihadi”?

I think Haaretz is more “pro Palestinian” than they are “pro Zionist”

495 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:20:14pm

I’m going to sleep now. Night, honcos.

496 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:20:44pm

re: #482 researchok

Stanley, it isn’t just right politics that can foster bad behavior,

Of course not!!!!!! Shit. But the initial conversation did not started with AYERS! It started with this asshole:

But when the Mother talks about his “influence” well, its easier to determine. From the Mother:

Williams watched the news on television and was upset by “the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items,” his mother said.

Today’s incident. Not 1967.

497 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:20:50pm

re: #484 Slumbering Behemoth

So, you’re just a tease?

498 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:22:13pm

re: #497 Floral Giraffe

So, you’re just a tease?

Again, depends on how much you’re willing to pay. I charge a little more for teasing, just FYI.

499 Kefirah  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:22:28pm

re: #487 iceweasel

updinged for asking. just asking can make all the difference in honest discourse.

kol hakavod.

500 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:22:53pm

re: #493 pharmmajor

On that note, do you believe William Powell should have been arrested for writing The Anarchist’s Cookbook, which outlined the development of bombs and deadly compounds such as ricin?

They used to sell brake cleaner at the auto parts store (maybe they still do?) that contained chemicals that could be used to create phosgene gas. The warning label on the back even said to keep the shit away from heat or it can create phosgene gas.

501 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:23:03pm

re: #498 Slumbering Behemoth

Spankings are gratis, though?

502 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:23:06pm

re: #487 iceweasel

thank you, very helpful

I was under the impression that haaretz is a major, if leftleaning, Israeli news organ though? Is it really accurate to call them “pro-Palestinian”?
Isn’t that like calling the New York Times “pro-jihadi”?

Alouette, I also notice that in your taxonomy of israeli news organisations you haven’t listed anyone at all who is ‘left’ and approved of by you. Why is this?

Also, please forgive my ignorance, but I still am wondering about my original questions about Gideon Levy. And the issue of opposing the illegal settlements.

Sorry again for my ignorance. I admit I’m very busy now and this isn’t an area where I would claim to have any expertise or even knowledge! — but I’m really looking forward to discussing it with you after my move, and after some discussion with my own Israeli friends.
I hope you’ll bear with me and won’t mind educating me. ;)

503 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:23:25pm

re: #492 Mich-again

Theodor Geisel made some great political cartoons during WWII before he got famous for writing childrens’ books.

Some still quite appropriate today.

Image: 20901cs.jpg

504 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:24:03pm

re: #494 Alouette

I think Haaretz is more “pro Palestinian” than they are “pro Zionist”

re: #495 Alouette

I’m going to sleep now. Night, honcos.

oops, sorry— i missed these before my last comment.
Have a great night! Thanks. Talk soon I hope.

505 Racer X  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:24:12pm

re: #498 Slumbering Behemoth

Again, depends on how much you’re willing to pay. I charge a little more for teasing, just FYI.

Fred Garvin? Is that you?

506 pharmmajor  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:25:15pm

re: #500 Mich-again

They used to sell brake cleaner at the auto parts store (maybe they still do?) that contained chemicals that could be used to create phosgene gas. The warning label on the back even said to keep the shit away from heat or it can create phosgene gas.

Back in the 60s, Popular Mechanics published an issue detailing how to construct a bomb. There’s no way to regulate inflammatory opinions or dangerous information; you just have to make sure that the public has the wisdom to know that they should not be followed.

507 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:25:25pm

re: #499 Kefirah

updinged for asking. just asking can make all the difference in honest discourse.

kol hakavod.

I like you, this is a very difficult deal on LGF.

508 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:25:57pm

re: #499 Kefirah

updinged for asking. just asking can make all the difference in honest discourse.

kol hakavod.

Cheers! I want to know. I firmly believe that if people can ask and answer questions without rancour much progress* can be made. I also believe that by and large most people really do just want the truth even if it conflicts with their other preconceived notions.

I alluded to progression. Damn hippie. /

Thanks very much, really.

509 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:26:12pm

re: #501 Floral Giraffe

bad girl:)

510 jaunte  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:27:00pm

re: #503 jamesfirecat

Some still quite appropriate today.

Image: 20901cs.jpg

That reminds me of:

I have given two cousins to war and I stand ready to sacrifice my wife’s brother.
— Artemus Ward
511 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:28:21pm

re: #501 Floral Giraffe

Spankings are gratis, though?

Included in the price, baby.

512 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:28:52pm

re: #491 BigPapa

I think he’s been a proponent of being an asshole, but not violence. Just a minor quibble.

That works for me.

513 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:29:06pm

re: #510 jaunte

Also see: The Spirit of ‘43 starring Donald Duck

Youtube Video

Taxes iz Fashism!
514 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:29:33pm

re: #505 Racer X

Dude! I use an anonymous nic here for a reason, man. Thanks a lot!

515 Kefirah  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:31:50pm

re: #502 iceweasel

alouette’s taxonomy also [rightfully] noted the disadvantages, drawbacks, and flaws of the rightist news source arutz sheva. it really is like fox news, and should always be read as such.

however, “leftist” news outlets have a tendency to disregard hard facts on the ground, such as: a one.state solution ultimately negates jewish self.determination [jews don’t fare well in countries where we are the minority, see: the forgotten refugees forced out of middle east countries, not to mention the shoah]; there has been a jewish presence in israel and the middle east for hundreds, thousands of years; and land for peace has been tried before [after the six day war, gaza, camp david, etc.]. for those who believe that a jewish democratic state is both possible and necessary, these are sort of “unforgivable” media sins, rendering their reporting irreparably “slanted”, even though they sometimes do point out legitimate issues of social justice that are concerning.

the problem, in summation, is that ha’aretz often fails to provide context.

media in israel has the same sort of problem american media has - any slant in any direction taints objective reporting. jerusalem post probably does the best job of anyone over there, insofar as balanced [fox news has ruined that word for me] reporting is concerned.

op-eds, as always, are a different story. your mileage may vary.

*not to be construed as answering for alouette. merely offering my own opinion on israeli media.

516 Kefirah  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:34:42pm

re: #507 Stanley Sea

i like you, too.

it’s a very difficult deal everywhere. context, honesty from both sides, and facts are key.

recognizing that intelligent people will often come to different opinions based on individual value prioritization is also very important. sadly, i think this last point is often forgotten - and i mean that both for discussions of israel and in american political debates.

517 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:35:09pm

re: #483 Alouette

A “post Zionist” is a Jew or Israeli who is ambivalent about Israel’s continued right to exist as a Jewish state, who recommends alternatives such as a “one state solution” where Israel is swamped by an influx of millions of “returning Palestinians” who change the character of the state from a state of refuge for Jews, to an Islamic majority state where Jews are barely tolerated as a minority.

Thanks again. To be frank, and because of the much reported demographic changes in the Israeli and Palestinian population, I didn’t know there were still people, in Israel of all places, in favor of one state solution — I thought there was a semi-consensus about the 1967 borders (which was the default position, so to speak, of every summit since then).

Netanyahu does seem to speak against them, though:

Netanyahu: I’ll give such interpretation to the Accords that will make it possible for me to stop this galloping to the ‘67 [armistice] lines. How did we do it?

Narrator: The Oslo Accords stated at the time that Israel would gradually hand over territories to the Palestinians in three different pulses, unless the territories in question had settlements or military sites. This is where Netanyahu found a loophole.

Netanyahu: No one said what defined military sites. Defined military sites, I said, were security zones. As far as I’m concerned, the Jordan Valley is a defined military site.

518 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:35:10pm

re: #505 Racer X

Fred Garvin? Is that you?

That, BTW, is an awesome skit. I would give you more up dings if I could. Aykroyd is a friggin’ genius.

This skit is along very similar lines, but not as good as the Garvin skit.

NSFW LANGUAGE

519 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:35:55pm

re: #515 Kefirah

the problem, in summation, is that ha’aretz often fails to provide context.

Thank you VERY much, for all of that. As I said this isn’t an issue where I would claim to know anything, and i must rely on Israeli friends here and elsewhere to guide me.

I excerpted the above because that is something I’ve heard before from other Israelis— actually most of what you wrote is like what I’ve heard from them. And as you said, OpEds are always a different story.
Thanks!

520 ryannon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:36:39pm

Before illegal Israeli settlements becomes a locked-in LGF meme, a discussion of the issue by David M. Phillips, a professor at Northeastern University School of Law.

network.nationalpost.com

521 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:37:41pm

re: #517 Nimed

i don’t myself know any Israelis who support a one-state solution, and I’m shocked to be told that this is ‘the Israeli left’ ‘s position on the issue.(or many people on the israeli left).

522 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:39:12pm

re: #520 ryannon

Before illegal Israeli settlements becomes a locked-in LGF meme, a discussion of the issue by David M. Phillips, a professor at Northeastern University School of Law.

[Link: network.nationalpost.com…]

no one has suggested that settlements are illegal. We are referring to the settlements and settlers that Israeli itself deems illegal.

Just before ‘iceweasel opposes all israeli settlers’ becomes a locked in meme, hmmm?

523 yuvalien  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:39:25pm

The map of Alaska she shows on her Twitter page has a huge star over Anchorage, which she and others believe should be the capital of Alaska. Is she not aware that the capital of the state she gave up governing is Juneau? Or is she living in such a rock and roll fantasy world that she thinks Anchorage is the capital of Alaska and there’s a commie behind the counter of every taco stand?

524 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:40:50pm

re: #516 Kefirah

Please assist in continuing your contributions.

525 Kefirah  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:41:30pm

re: #521 iceweasel

i think it [it being a one.state solution] is a “far israeli left” position. what you’ll hear more frequently from the general left is a greater willingness to cede the golan + other territories - less reluctance to moving back to the borders immediately subsequent to the war for independence [or even the un partition plan].

this is arguably a more leftist position, and not moderate one, because given the rampant hatred in surrounding countries, the original borders are national suicide from a military standpoint.

526 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:41:45pm

re: #524 Stanley Sea

Please assist in continuing your contributions.

YES! Seconded!

527 freetoken  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:42:09pm

re: #523 yuvalien

Isn’t Wasilla a burb of Anchorage? I’m under the impression the star represents the location of the twit.

528 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:42:23pm

re: #507 Stanley Sea

I like you, this is a very difficult deal on LGF.

I hesitated a bit before posting this. It seemed major news, though, and LGF has many commenters who are pretty well-informed on all things Israel.

529 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:42:31pm

re: #525 Kefirah

I too, am appreciating your input!

530 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:43:39pm

re: #525 Kefirah

i think it [it being a one.state solution] is a “far israeli left” position. what you’ll hear more frequently from the general left is a greater willingness to cede the golan + other territories - less reluctance to moving back to the borders immediately subsequent to the war for independence [or even the un partition plan].

this is arguably a more leftist position, and not moderate one, because given the rampant hatred in surrounding countries, the original borders are national suicide from a military standpoint.

Yeah, I’m not so interested in the far left— just like I’m not so interested in the far left here. far anything attracts the weirdos.
I’m more interested in what is getting airtime, what is popular, what is moving into the center of discourse, especially when it IS fringe.
thanks again!

531 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:43:43pm

re: #520 ryannon

re: #522 iceweasel

Fair from both. I’d say we are in broad agreement on that matter.

532 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:44:58pm

re: #523 yuvalien

The map of Alaska she shows on her Twitter page has a huge star over Anchorage, which she and others believe should be the capital of Alaska. Is she not aware that the capital of the state she gave up governing is Juneau? Or is she living in such a rock and roll fantasy world that she thinks Anchorage is the capital of Alaska and there’s a commie behind the counter of every taco stand?

Actually, I’ve read that she tried to move the capital to Anchorage. Failed, so she too a per diem for living in her home.

533 Kruk  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:45:16pm

re: #241 brookly red

OK, so I see the usual suspects are dog piling me for some one else’s comments… so I guess I will cut my losses before I am accused of shooting Lincoln too. sheesh.

Well, do you have an alibi for that night or don’t ya? ;-)

534 Kefirah  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:46:39pm

re: #526 iceweasel

re: #524 Stanley Sea

re: #529 Floral Giraffe

always happy to pipe up. but i would encourage anyone to always check my facts. call me out if i get something factually wrong. read al.jazeera, listen to palestinian media watch and memri, check out jerusalem post and arutz sheva.

differing experience, language choice, individual opinion, and a host of other factors can make getting at the truth difficult.

but it is out there.

cue x.files music.

535 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:47:05pm

G’nite kids. The Shakespearean romp has been fun. It’s far too late on this end and far too early on the other when I must awake. As the fool has said, God helps those who help themselves. Something far too many think is actually scripture. So sad and yet so sadly to be expected.

536 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:47:11pm

Back on topic, the idea that Sarahcuda’s malapropisms are on par with Shakespeare’s writing is laughable. She doesn’t even have the talent to rise to Yogi Berra’s level.

I never blame myself when I’m not hitting. I just blame the bat and if it keeps up, I change bats. After all, if I know it isn’t my fault that I’m not hitting, how can I get mad at myself?
- Yogi Berra

537 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:48:24pm

re: #536 Slumbering Behemoth

Back on topic, the idea that Sarahcuda’s malapropisms are on par with Shakespeare’s writing is laughable. She doesn’t even have the talent to rise to Yogi Berra’s Bear’s level.

FTFY

538 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:49:51pm

re: #537 Gus 802

Him too.

539 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:51:04pm

re: #538 Slumbering Behemoth

Him too.

Hey there Boo-Boo. I spots me a picnic basket and don’t you refudiate me this time.

540 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:51:25pm

re: #522 iceweasel

re: #525 Kefirah

Wikipedia has a well documented page on Gideon Levy and post-Zionism. You might want to take a peak when you find the time. You hear frequently about how the ideological spectrum in Israel is much broader than in the US. Well - no shit!

en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org

541 yuvalien  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:52:02pm

re: #527 freetoken
Yes, Wasilla is near Anchorage . But the star on a map generally denotes “state capital” rather than “hometown.”

542 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:52:25pm

re: #522 iceweasel

no one has suggested that settlements are illegal. We are referring to the settlements and settlers that Israeli itself deems illegal.

Just before ‘iceweasel opposes all israeli settlers’ becomes a locked in meme, hmmm?

And I’m quoting this post for truth. Ice is no foe of Israel and anyone who ever suggests she is a chowderhead.

543 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:52:28pm

re: #534 Kefirah

re: #524 Stanley Sea

re: #529 Floral Giraffe

always happy to pipe up. but i would encourage anyone to always check my facts. call me out if i get something factually wrong. read al.jazeera, listen to palestinian media watch and memri, check out jerusalem post and arutz sheva.

differing experience, language choice, individual opinion, and a host of other factors can make getting at the truth difficult.

but it is out there.

cue x.files music.

Thanks! It’s so hard getting at truth in just one country though— trying to understand the spin and media players in yet another is incredibly difficult without some insight from such as yourself. Really, really appreciated. Alouette’s post on Israeli media was super helpful also, but you’re right— we all need as much info as we can get and having a variety of perspectives gives us invaluable help.

It’s really hard to get at truth when you can’t even formulate the right questions to ask because you just don’t know enough. It’s really nice when we can exchange information and ask questions here without hostility arising. Not every question is a dishonest question even when it seems clueless to those better informed (i do this a lot myself sometimes too).Thank you for you help!

544 Kruk  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:53:13pm

re: #269 iceweasel

Hey hoops— thanks! When are you moving?
(I’m currently enmeshed in trying to open a UK bank account from the US, massive headache but must be done, similar money type stuff.)

Oh dear God, I feel for you. I needed to jump through weeks of hoops to get that done, and in the end it took my company’s head office sending an official letter saying they were willing to vouch for me. (By that stage, it looked like they would have to hand me my first month’s pay in cash bundles.)

One option I heard about later is that HSBC will open a UK account for you from overseas. I’m not sure if that’s still true (or even if they operate in the US) but it might be worth a try.

545 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:54:11pm

re: #542 Dark_Falcon

And I’m quoting this post for truth. Ice is no foe of Israel and anyone who ever suggests she is a chowderhead.

Chowderhead…
Heh.
:)

546 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:54:18pm

re: #540 Nimed

Politics everywhere else in the world is broader than what we find in the US. We’ve always been a culture that has argued a very narrow spectrum. As I like to say, two sides of the same coin.

547 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:54:38pm

re: #545 Varek Raith

Chowderhead…
Heh.
:)

New England or Clam?

548 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:54:45pm

re: #513 Killgore Trout

Also see: The Spirit of ‘43 starring Donald Duck

[Video]
Taxes iz Fashism!

Can you imagine if there were a Simpsons or Family Guy short like that in this day and age? People from all over the political spectrum would absolutely lose their shit.

549 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:54:50pm

re: #536 Slumbering Behemoth

Back on topic, the idea that Sarahcuda’s malapropisms are on par with Shakespeare’s writing is laughable. She doesn’t even have the talent to rise to Yogi Berra’s level.

If not the winner tonight, you are a close 2nd.

550 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:54:59pm

re: #544 Kruk

Oh dear God, I feel for you. I needed to jump through weeks of hoops to get that done, and in the end it took my company’s head office sending an official letter saying they were willing to vouch for me. (By that stage, it looked like they would have to hand me my first month’s pay in cash bundles.)

One option I heard about later is that HSBC will open a UK account for you from overseas. I’m not sure if that’s still true (or even if they operate in the US) but it might be worth a try.

I wouldn’t deal with HSBC. My ability to explain is limited, but suffice it to say I have learned from people I know that they are a fairly sleezy bunch.

551 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:56:34pm

re: #547 Gus 802

New England every time. Though I was born a Manhattan Clamite. I converted.

552 Kefirah  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:57:08pm

re: #543 iceweasel

open hostility is for those who deny israel’s right to exist as a jewish, democratic state. it’s for people who would rather strap bombs to their children than see the medinat continue.

and it’s equally for people who would like to see israeli arabs stripped of all rights or citizenship altogether.

also for glenn beck.

other than that, respectful debate is the goal!

553 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:58:53pm

re: #551 Irenicum

New England every time. Though I was born a Manhattan Clamite. I converted.

I also go for the New England. Although Manhattan is pretty good too. Progresso, straight out of the can!

554 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:58:57pm

re: #547 Gus 802

In either case, I’m not very kosher. But hey, I’m just a Labor or Kadima kinda guy. So what can I say?

555 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:59:18pm

re: #550 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn’t deal with HSBC. My ability to explain is limited, but suffice it to say I have learned from people I know that they are a fairly sleezy bunch.

You guys are both right. HSBC will open a UK account from the US (major plus) but they also ream you on silly fees.

Also, cheers DF for pointing out that anyone who wants to claim I’m anti-israel is a chowderhead. lol.

true tho.

556 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:00:08pm

re: #554 Irenicum

In either case, I’m not very kosher. But hey, I’m just a Labor or Kadima kinda guy. So what can I say?

General rule for food: first it can’t be moving. /

557 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:00:15pm

re: #546 Irenicum

Politics everywhere else in the world is broader than what we find in the US. We’ve always been a culture that has argued a very narrow spectrum. As I like to say, two sides of the same coin.

That’s also my experience. Having Israelis and Palestinians share a nationality after all these years of conflict, though; it sounds like a sure proof recipe for disaster.

558 Lidane  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:01:22pm

re: #556 Gus 802

General rule for food: first it can’t be moving. /

Pfft. Everyone knows the best steaks are still either twitching or mooing on your plate.

559 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:02:22pm

re: #552 Kefirah

I am the ultimate neophyte, but am so interested.

What is your take on the right wing Christian (Palin/Beck etc.) support of Israel? Are they sincere to most Israelis?

I’ve read many commentaries on this before, but would really appreciate a view from a “live” person.

Thanks.

560 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:02:47pm

re: #553 Gus 802

Good stuff. But Progresso sounds suspiciously like progressive. Can I consume that that without being a Nazi? I want my soup!

561 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:03:30pm

re: #558 Lidane

Pfft. Everyone knows the best steaks are still either twitching or mooing on your plate.

So that’s why I heard a lot of meowing when I went to that Vietnamese restaurant. I thought it was supposed to be chicken.

//

562 Lidane  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:04:20pm

re: #560 Irenicum

Good stuff. But Progresso sounds suspiciously like progressive. Can I consume that that without being a Nazi? I want my soup!

No soup for you!

563 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:04:55pm

re: #552 Kefirah

open hostility is for those who deny israel’s right to exist as a jewish, democratic state. it’s for people who would rather strap bombs to their children than see the medinat continue.

and it’s equally for people who would like to see israeli arabs stripped of all rights or citizenship altogether.

also for glenn beck.

other than that, respectful debate is the goal!

yeah, as I’ve said before the existence of Israel and her right to defend that existence is to me a moral imperative, as is supporting and assisting her in defending both. That’s it. No debate on that can be respectful because people who pretend that’s up for ‘debate’ are NOT respectful or worthy of respect (to say the least).

But apart from trolls from stormfront or wherever, I don’t think ANYONE here disagrees with that.

I do see the ‘anti-israel’ and ‘anti-semite’ card played here when someone asks a question like I did though, at times. Thanks for all being very cool and very helpful about it. I come here because i learn from people.

Now I’m going to get booze. look out! Libations for all. /

564 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:05:19pm

re: #552 Kefirah

You left out people who put pineapple on pizza, and those who write stories about sparkling vampires, but otherwise spot on.

565 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:05:23pm

re: #560 Irenicum

Good stuff. But Progresso sounds suspiciously like progressive. Can I consume that that without being a Nazi? I want my soup!

Progresso! The soup for progressives! As for the question: only on Planet Stalker.

566 Kruk  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:05:25pm

re: #323 publicityStunted

No problem :) Too bad you weren’t around yesterday for the thread where there was a brief discussion about Margaret Atwood’s novel The Handmaid’s Tale - someone else (I think CuriousLurker) said that, whenever she sees Palin she thinks of that book. I do too, especially when issues of reproductive freedom (or the lack thereof) come up. I mean, I *still* can’t fathom how access to frigging birth control is such an issue in the States, with some pharmacies refusing to sell it!! Forgive my language, but what the bloody fuck from the depths of hell kind of stupidity is that?! In Canada (by contrast), Plan B emergency contraception is not only available without a prescription, but advertised on the radio (er, not that I’ve ever had a need for it personally…but I’m definitely relieved and grateful it’s available to others who do!)

The problem the anti-abortion lobby has with emergency contraception is that it works (at least in part) by preventing the attachment of the fertilized egg to the uterine lining, rather than preventing fertilization like standard contraceptives do. Thus to them it’s a form of abortion. I don’t agree with them at all on this issue (in fact I’m a pharmacist myself and have sold/dispensed the morning after pill on countless occasions), but it does make sense from their worldview.

Now the ones who oppose *any* form of contraception being available….

567 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:07:49pm

re: #556 Gus 802

General rule for food: first it can’t be moving. /

I had no idea you were such a hoity-toity elitist. Do you also wear lace doilies and put your pinky in the air when you eat your little girly-man meals?
/

568 Kruk  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:08:21pm

re: #334 webevintage

She said she had no explanation for his actions.”

Heh. Given that she’s just lost her son, I’ll take the high road and not post what I’m thinking.

569 Kefirah  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:10:02pm

re: #559 Stanley Sea

as with everything: depends.

i find it problematic from a spiritual/religious perspective if you are talking about the supremely messianic [as opposed to just normally messianic, i guess?] folk who support israel because they’d love to see all jews end up in the medinat so that the “second coming” can begin. sure, these people provide financial and political support, but at the expense of truly objective help [which can include criticism, from time to time].

however, i think there are a lot of middle.of.the.road rights who see israel as a democracy in the middle east, and a friend: a state where homosexuals are not hung from lamp posts [indeed, there’s a pretty fabulous parade in tel aviv!], where minority groups are given rights [even if those rights are sometimes adjusted to account for very legitimate security concerns], and where western values generally flourish.

that sort of support is legitimate, in my opinion. problem is, it’s hard to tell the difference.

so, my motto: take unblinking, unwavering support the same as i take constant haranguing and tongue.lashing - with a giant grain of kosher salt.

*disclaimer: i am a texan. yes, we have similar weather to israel, but i am not a sabra/israeli. that said, i teach a zionism course and have friends over there in school and in the army, so i keep up with daily politics and probably have an opinion or factual response for most questions. if i don’t, you’ll be the first to know.

570 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:10:42pm

re: #567 Slumbering Behemoth

I had no idea you were such a hoity-toity elitist. Do you also wear lace doilies and put your pinky in the air when you eat your little girly-man meals?
/

Scene in a western. Cowboy goes into a restaurant order a steak. Steak comes and proceeds to move about the plate mooing. Cowboy, gets up off his chair and shoots the steak. Cowboy sits back down and resumes dinner.

End scene.

/

571 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:12:04pm

re: #566 Kruk

You actually bring up an issue that is important to me in that regard. I’m still working through what people mean by the beginning of life. I consider myself to be “pro-life” and yet know that the beginning of life is a debated issue. I want to protect every life as much as possible, from conception to natural death.

572 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:12:45pm

Sigh.
I see that Windows 7’s SuperFetch is just as stoopid as Vista’s.
9_9

573 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:12:54pm

re: #548 Slumbering Behemoth

Can you imagine if there were a Simpsons or Family Guy short like that in this day and age? People from all over the political spectrum would absolutely lose their shit.

That cartoon was made in a very unusual time: A time when our nation needed to make a maximum effort to survive. In such a time, sacrifice can be extolled in a way impossible in other times. These days, our wars don’t require a maximum effort from the entire nation and such an effort wouldn’t be a guarantee of victory in any case, sad to say.

574 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:13:33pm

re: #572 Varek Raith

Sigh.
I see that Windows 7’s SuperFetch is just as stoopid as Vista’s.
9_9

Get me Bill Gates!

575 Lidane  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:14:59pm

re: #564 Slumbering Behemoth

You left out people who put pineapple on pizza, and those who write stories about sparkling vampires, but otherwise spot on.

The sooner the sparkling “vampire” trend dies, the better. Ugh.

That said, there is nothing wrong with pineapple on a pizza. It’s miles better than anchovies. =P

576 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:17:16pm

Well, for real this time. G’nite.

577 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:17:20pm

re: #574 Gus 802

Get me Bill Gates!

Tell him I want control over what gets preloaded into ram and what doesn’t!!!
Enough of this nonsense of it attempting to preload my entire freaking anime collection!!!
/rant

578 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:17:43pm

Algebreath: When your rotten-ass mouth reeks so horribly that it takes complicated mathematical equations to scientifically calculate the level of retched stank it is emitting.

Hey, steer clear of Andy today, he’s got algebreath. I think he ate a dead monkey’s asshole or something.

579 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:18:23pm

re: #569 Kefirah

Thank you much. You know, I think American support of Israel will never change (people will opine, but it won’t change - it is too deep and important to all)

I do take a second glance when this support starts to become polarizing. Like we see the right wing here proclaiming they are ‘more’ supportive. Lines are drawn, any questioning (left wing of America or Israel) are denounced. I’m a left winger here in America, why wouldn’t I be one in Israel?

580 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:20:09pm

re: #565 Gus 802

Progresso! The soup for progressives! As for the question: only on Planet Stalker.

There is no more Planet Stalker. Only a debris field. When Varek found out it existed he took his Death Star out for a joyride. :D

581 Kruk  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:20:49pm

re: #393 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts gone wild…
Shootout suspect was mad at left-wing politics

Tea Party!

How many isolated ‘examples’ do we need before someone wakes up to the fact that telling constantly telling angry, bitter people that the reason their lives suck is because their country has been taken over by “the other” and that violence is an acceptable response might lead to *gasp* violence?

582 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:21:29pm

re: #577 Varek Raith

Tell him I want control over what gets preloaded into ram and what doesn’t!!!
Enough of this nonsense of it attempting to preload my entire freaking anime collection!!!
/rant

You want to know what I had to deal with the other night? Well, I suddenly vanished from LGF.

My CPU bracket broke and off went the heat sink and fan. The computer just went…OFF. Any way. I had to search for what was left of the broken piece and proceeded to repair it with crazy glue and I reinforced it with extra strip of plastic. Finding the piece took hours and I had to open up the PSU, unplug a lot of stuff like the GPU and clean it while I was at it.

Put it back together again and nothing. Wouldn’t boot and wouldn’t even go to CMOS. There were some loose connection (or I might need new SATA cables). Finally got it running again after 6 hours of work.

Whew.

583 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:22:42pm

re: #580 Dark_Falcon

There is no more Planet Stalker. Only a debris field. When Varek found out it existed he took his Death Star out for a joyride. :D

He better not bring that thing around here, ‘cuz I got his number.

584 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:22:57pm

re: #582 Gus 802

You want to know what I had to deal with the other night? Well, I suddenly vanished from LGF.

My CPU bracket broke and off went the heat sink and fan. The computer just went…OFF. Any way. I had to search for what was left of the broken piece and proceeded to repair it with crazy glue and I reinforced it with extra strip of plastic. Finding the piece took hours and I had to open up the PSU, unplug a lot of stuff like the GPU and clean it while I was at it.

Put it back together again and nothing. Wouldn’t boot and wouldn’t even go to CMOS. There were some loose connection (or I might need new SATA cables). Finally got it running again after 6 hours of work.

Whew.

Damn.
My friend once had his entire heatsink fall off.
Processor was fried in seconds.
:/

585 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:23:10pm

Image: shocked_will.jpg

In reply to Sister Sarah tonight

586 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:23:40pm

re: #583 Slumbering Behemoth

He better not bring that thing around here, ‘cuz I got his number.

Too bad I fixed that.
You also can’t fly freaking FREIGHTERS into the core.

587 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:23:50pm

re: #582 Gus 802

No idea what you just said, but I feel for ya.

588 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:24:49pm

re: #586 Varek Raith

You’re bluffing.

589 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:25:20pm

re: #584 Varek Raith

Damn.
My friend once had his entire heatsink fall off.
Processor was fried in seconds.
:/

I thought I might have done that. I was like, damn, I fried the CPU. The cable re-setting did the trick and it’s working fine. Ran a few simple system check and it all checked out. Of course, if my repair breaks the damn thing will pop out again. It’s an old 478 with a P4 HT. Works for me and I do graphics work.

590 sagehen  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:25:27pm

re: #559 Stanley Sea

I am the ultimate neophyte, but am so interested.

What is your take on the right wing Christian (Palin/Beck etc.) support of Israel? Are they sincere to most Israelis?

I’ve read many commentaries on this before, but would really appreciate a view from a “live” person.

Thanks.


The evangelicals who support Israel because of its place in their end times mythology, I grit my teeth and clench my hands tightly behind my back to keep from screaming obscenities while punching them in the face.

The moderately conservatives who support Israel because we need their help with intel on middle east psychotics, or because their tech and medical R&D is magnificent, or even just because they have a crush on Bar Rafaeli or Oded Fehr, I’m grateful for their wisdom and good taste.

591 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:27:29pm

Didn’t Dan Quayle compare himself to a Kennedy once? I know he did. I just don’t know which one. This latest Palinism is right out of the former VP’s playbook.

592 Kefirah  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:27:34pm

re: #590 sagehen

emet, emet.

especially regarding oded fehr.

593 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:28:40pm

re: #587 Stanley Sea

No idea what you just said, but I feel for ya.

You know when you see those Intel ads on TV and they’re talking about the processors? It’s like flat square object. The bracket goes around that on the mother board. The heat sink, which is like fins on a car radiator hooks up to that bracket and the fan goes on top of the heat sink.

594 Kruk  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:29:01pm

re: #481 calochortus

Apologies if someone has already answered the question-too many posts to catch up on- but one of his felonies was apparently bank robbery. There was I believe a 2nd felony, but I don’t know what it was.
Naturally this is all the fault of liberals and the government. Everyone should be entitled to rob a bank now and then.

Please tell me California has a three-strikes law….

595 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:29:19pm

re: #590 sagehen

I support them for the same reason I support lions trapped in a cage who have spoiled, ignorant brats throw rocks at them all day. The crap they have to put up with just ain’t right.

596 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:29:54pm

re: #566 Kruk

The problem the anti-abortion lobby has with emergency contraception is that it works (at least in part) by preventing the attachment of the fertilized egg to the uterine lining, rather than preventing fertilization like standard contraceptives do. Thus to them it’s a form of abortion. I don’t agree with them at all on this issue (in fact I’m a pharmacist myself and have sold/dispensed the morning after pill on countless occasions), but it does make sense from their worldview.

Now the ones who oppose *any* form of contraception being available…

No, their ‘problem’ is that they hate female sexuality and therefore seek to redefine Plan B as an abortificant, just as they ALSO seek to redefine the Pill that way.

597 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:30:35pm

re: #592 Kefirah

ha!
looked him up.

598 sagehen  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:31:31pm

re: #571 Irenicum

You actually bring up an issue that is important to me in that regard. I’m still working through what people mean by the beginning of life. I consider myself to be “pro-life” and yet know that the beginning of life is a debated issue. I want to protect every life as much as possible, from conception to natural death.

My view is, we have a pretty broad-based agreement about when life ends — doctors, lawyers, clergy and laymen all accept that a functioning cerebral cortex is what separates a patient deserving of care from something we can use for parts.

That seems a reasonable criteria for the beginning of life as well.

599 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:31:49pm

re: #591 eclectic infidel

Didn’t Dan Quayle compare himself to a Kennedy once? I know he did. I just don’t know which one. This latest Palinism is right out of the former VP’s playbook.

Did Quayle actually take responsibility for getting us into Viet Nam?

600 MJ  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:32:32pm

Noam Shalit: I know nothing of reported Clinton, Carter mediation initiative

Egyptian newspaper reports the U.S., Egypt and Hamas have held talks to arrange a visit to Gaza by former U.S. presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter.


…According to the unconfirmed report, the two former presidents will discuss a number of issues with Hamas leaders, including a prisoner swap deal to free captive IDF soldier Gilad Shalit…

haaretz.com

Because this is a Haaretz report based on an Egyptian newspaper, it’s hopefully not true. It would be a terrible idea.

601 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:32:34pm

re: #594 Kruk

Please tell me California has a three-strikes law…

Yes, but I am not in favor of it. It either needs to be amended to apply only to violent felonies, or repealed all together.

602 sagehen  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:32:48pm

re: #575 Lidane

The sooner the sparkling “vampire” trend dies, the better. Ugh.

That said, there is nothing wrong with pineapple on a pizza. It’s miles better than anchovies. =P

Pineapple and bacon.

It’s the perfect mix of sweet and salty, crunchy and squishy…

603 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:32:57pm

re: #599 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did Quayle actually take responsibility for getting us into Viet Nam?

Huh?

604 Nimed  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:33:56pm

re: #592 Kefirah

emet, emet.

especially regarding oded fehr.

I googled it. Damn.

Wasn’t expecting a dude.

605 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:34:54pm

re: #603 Varek Raith

Huh?

Forget it, he’s rolling.

606 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:35:18pm

re: #603 Varek Raith

Huh?

The question was he compared himself to JFK.

607 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:35:39pm

re: #588 Slumbering Behemoth

You’re bluffing.

No, he’s not. His Death Star was constructed to the improved Death Star II standards. The thermal exhaust ports were replaced by thermal diffusion ducts only 1mm wide. Putting a shot into them is impossible.

608 Kefirah  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:35:50pm

re: #600 MJ

jerusalem post is running the article, too. looks as though it’s based on the same egyptian source - however, j.post willingly and explicitly states that they can’t confirm any of this information independently.

jpost.com

everything in egypt is sort of chaotic right now, what with mubarak’s health, so who really knows what’s going on?

609 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:35:58pm

re: #606 Cannadian Club Akbar

The question was he compared himself to JFK.

Ohhhh~
I get it!

610 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:36:47pm

re: #609 Varek Raith

Ohhh~
I get it!

And who got us into Viet Nam?

611 Kefirah  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:36:51pm

re: #604 Nimed

re: #597 Stanley Sea

like i said: emet!

612 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:37:08pm

re: #607 Dark_Falcon

No, he’s not. His Death Star was constructed to the improved Death Star II standards. The thermal exhaust ports were replaced by thermal diffusion ducts only 1mm wide. Putting a shot into them is impossible.

Awesome.

613 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:37:22pm

re: #605 Slumbering Behemoth

Forget it, he’s rolling.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!?!

614 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:37:36pm

re: #607 Dark_Falcon

I got a full pack of smokes, a case of beer, and a whole bunch of paper clips. I’ll just short that fucker out, sooner or later.

615 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:38:09pm

re: #614 Slumbering Behemoth

I got a full pack of smokes, a case of beer, and a whole bunch of paper clips. I’ll just short that fucker out, sooner or later.

Porkins, hold mah beer and watch this!

616 MJ  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:38:26pm

Tom Gross asked today,

“A nice new shopping mall opened today in Gaza: Will the media report on it?”

Here’s Tom’s photos of the new shopping center and new Olympic pool in Gaza:

tomgrossmedia.com

Well Tom, here’s your answer:

Gaza family struggles to survive in a tent

google.com

617 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:38:47pm

re: #610 Cannadian Club Akbar

And who got us into Viet Nam?

I blame Canada.

618 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:38:48pm

re: #604 Nimed

I googled it. Damn.

Wasn’t expecting a dude.

hot.as.hell dude

619 Kruk  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:39:08pm

re: #564 Slumbering Behemoth

You left out people who put pineapple on pizza, and those who write stories about sparkling vampires, but otherwise spot on.

As someone who watched Buffy religiously, I hate the angsty vamp genre with a passion. Because this can’t be posted often enough: Buffy vs Edward

Youtube Video
620 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:39:13pm

re: #600 MJ

Noam Shalit: I know nothing of reported Clinton, Carter mediation initiative

Egyptian newspaper reports the U.S., Egypt and Hamas have held talks to arrange a visit to Gaza by former U.S. presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter.

[Link: www.haaretz.com…]

Because this is a Haaretz report based on an Egyptian newspaper, it’s hopefully not true. It would be a terrible idea.

Agreed. I’d hope Clinton would be smart enough not to go. Carter is foolish enough to do something stupid like this.

621 sagehen  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:40:54pm

re: #591 eclectic infidel

Didn’t Dan Quayle compare himself to a Kennedy once? I know he did. I just don’t know which one. This latest Palinism is right out of the former VP’s playbook.

It was in the VP debate, talking about people who questioned his youth and lack of experience. “When JFK ran for president, he was only x years old, and he’d only been in the senate for y years….”

The single most famous thing Lloyd Bentsen ever said: “I knew Jack Kennedy. I served with Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you’re no Jack Kennedy.”

622 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:41:08pm

re: #616 MJ

A bulldozer flattened the Awajas’ house on the first full day of Israel’s ground offensive, when tanks and troops swept into Gaza neighborhoods near the Israeli border.

The article does not seem to mention whether or not it was a Hamas bulldozer. They’ve been known to do that shit.

623 Gus  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:41:26pm

The new Dan Quayle:

Image: wenn1236117.jpg

We can now call him “El Gordito.”

624 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:42:24pm

re: #621 sagehen

It was in the VP debate, talking about people who questioned his youth and lack of experience. “When JFK ran for president, he was only x years old, and he’d only been in the senate for y years…”

The single most famous thing Lloyd Bentsen ever said: “I knew Jack Kennedy. I served with Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you’re no Jack Kennedy.”

I met Lloyd Bentsen. He was a great Senator. Beyond that classic line.

625 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:43:14pm

re: #614 Slumbering Behemoth

I got a full pack of smokes, a case of beer, and a whole bunch of paper clips. I’ll just short that fucker out, sooner or later.

How? He has a full brigade of Spacetroopers. Those are Stormtroopers with Zero-g flight systems and vacuum-proof armor suits. They’ll just grab you, rip your helmet off then watch your head explode. X(

626 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:43:30pm

re: #619 Kruk

Don’t get me wrong, I loved that show, but there were times when even it got too “wussy emotional” for me.

627 Kruk  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:44:02pm

re: #607 Dark_Falcon

No, he’s not. His Death Star was constructed to the improved Death Star II standards. The thermal exhaust ports were replaced by thermal diffusion ducts only 1mm wide. Putting a shot into them is impossible.

Your over-confidence is your weakness.

628 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:45:28pm

re: #625 Dark_Falcon

Troopers? Ha! Those stumble-dicks can’t even shoot straight, or properly identify droids. You really think they could get my gear off? Get real.

629 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:45:39pm

re: #627 Kruk

Your over-confidence is your weakness.

I read the Evil Overlord List.
You.
Are.
All.
Boned.

630 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:47:34pm

re: #629 Varek Raith

I read the Evil Overlord List.
You.
Are.
All.
Boned.

:)

I will not include a self-destruct mechanism unless absolutely necessary. If it is necessary, it will not be a large red button labeled “Danger: Do Not Push”. The big red button marked “Do Not Push” will instead trigger a spray of bullets on anyone stupid enough to disregard it. Similarly, the ON/OFF switch will not clearly be labeled as such.
631 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:49:44pm

re: #628 Slumbering Behemoth

Troopers? Ha! Those stumble-dicks can’t even shoot straight, or properly identify droids. You really think they could get my gear off? Get real.

He’s got thousands of them and his are better trained. That’s also on the evil overlord’s list. And if they capture you, you won’t get an elaborate death: He’ll use FORCE GAZE and you’ll burn to ashes.

632 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:50:46pm

re: #629 Varek Raith

Being genre savvy won’t save you. Underdogs never lose.

But don’t worry, I’ll save the villain.

633 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:56:52pm

re: #632 Obdicut

Being genre savvy won’t save you. Underdogs never lose.

But don’t worry, I’ll save the villain.

BOOO!
:P

If all the heroes are standing together around a strange device and begin to taunt me, I will pull out a conventional weapon instead of using my unstoppable superweapon on them.
634 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:57:44pm

re: #631 Dark_Falcon

Force Gaze? Force Gaze? Really? You honestly believe in that foolishness? Hahahaha!

Don’t try to frighten me with his “sorcery”. His sad devotion to that ancient religion will be his downfall.

635 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 10:59:01pm

re: #621 sagehen

Thank you for the full, accurate version.

636 mardukhai  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 11:02:23pm

Shakespalin just tweeted:

“Be not afraid of mediocrity: some are born mediocre, some achieve mediocrity, and some quit halfterm.”

637 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 11:02:46pm

I’m out.
Later!

638 Kruk  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 11:07:14pm

re: #629 Varek Raith

I read the Evil Overlord List.
You.
Are.
All.
Boned.

You call that a list? Now *this* is a list. The canonical list of famous last words:

karmakaze.org

My personal favorite: “I want to be a paladin”. (Said in a Ravenloft session.)

639 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 11:07:35pm

re: #637 Varek Raith

Ah, chickening out when you encounter a Force-Atheist?

See, I told you all that “Force” crap was a bunch of baloney.
I mean “Midi-chlorians”? C’mon! That’s like believing in Robot Santa.

640 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 18, 2010 11:38:14pm

re: #634 Slumbering Behemoth

Don’t try to frighten me with his “sorcery”. His sad devotion to that ancient religion will be his downfall.

Falcon, Raith? I can’t believe you let such an easy pass float right passed you. I am disappoint.

641 ryannon  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 12:24:21am

re: #602 sagehen

Pineapple and bacon.

It’s the perfect mix of sweet and salty, crunchy and squishy…


If this was brookly red’s blog, that would be your last post.

642 Sacred Plants  Mon, Jul 19, 2010 10:06:07am

Internet User Makes Typo Which Hints At Alternative Wording Considered
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