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1108 comments

1 Peacekeeper  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:03:00pm

Change, spare change that is.

2 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:03:46pm

Free fall.

3 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:03:54pm

ARRRRrrrrgggggg!

4 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:04:02pm
5 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:04:11pm

Apparently "change we can believe in" is Obamese for "demise of stock market".

6 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:04:24pm

*Everyone* is invested in the market.

7 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:04:32pm

Hey, all you hotshots with your fancy Google stock and your GM stock....you will soon be joining me, the largest holder of Amalgamated Buggy Whip stock. Welcome to the bottom. Take your shoes off, stay a-while.

8 just another four-letter word  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:04:32pm

I quit checking my 401K *months* ago.

Funny how the Stock Market is not listening to Prez. Hopey-Change, innit?

JAFLW

9 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:04:35pm

No comment. It speaks for itself.

10 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:04:36pm
11 Salem  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:00pm

Oh good, it settled at a nice round -300.

12 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:23pm

Obama won! Happy days are here again!

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13 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:26pm

I'll bet their starting up another conga line at the WH to celebrate how quickly their plan is coming together.

14 Devil's Advocate  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:31pm

Change you can believe in.

15 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:33pm

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The official Obama Stock Market graphic

I don't see a parachute either

16 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:34pm

This isn't freefall anymore. It is more like HALO

17 Kailen  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:35pm

But Obama signed the stimulus package. This wasn't supposed to happen! The Messiah was supposed to fix everything just by being elected! Woe is us, the end times are at hand!


*Ahem* Anyway, things are only going to get worse before it gets better. Especially with no conservative leadership in sight.

18 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:37pm

Doesn't wall street know you have to lose money to make money in the new world disorder?

And water is dry and the desert is cold too. . .

19 Dianna  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:38pm

I need my pepcid.

And I'm not exactly someone who instantly gets depressed.

20 vagabond trader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:54pm

1997 was a rather good year. This one, not so hot.

21 Peacekeeper  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:58pm

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The official Obama Stock Market graphic

Shouldn't that be a big O ?

22 just another four-letter word  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:06:04pm

Oh, and let's keep those bailouts comin' ! !
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!
!
JAFLW

23 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:06:35pm

To the current president: Congratulations, you stammering, stumbling buttock-head. You and all the other communist hangers-on have broken the economy. And until you abolish it - or it abolishes you - it's likely to stay broken.

24 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:06:38pm

More trouble from AIG today. I think Obama's tax proposal announcement last week are also having an effect.

25 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:06:49pm

I bought hopenchange, inc [symbol- OBAMA] and I'm down 30%

26 Peacekeeper  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:06:50pm

re: #19 Dianna

Whoa. I thought you wrote period.

27 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:06:51pm

re: #17 Kailen

But Obama signed the stimulus package. This wasn't supposed to happen! The Messiah was supposed to fix everything just by being elected! Woe is us, the end times are at hand!

*Ahem* Anyway, things are only going to get worse before it gets better. Especially with no conservative leadership in sight.

I guess his Jedi Mind Tricks do not work on everyone

28 Salem  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:07:02pm

Seems like they've reigned in the after-the-bell ticking, lately.

29 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:07:08pm

Punish the productive and watch Rome fall. That's the Obama/Rahm plan.


We are f*cked.

30 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:07:24pm

Entitlements for everyone!

31 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:07:40pm

I was half expecting to see Tom Petty.

32 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:07:41pm

re: #13 Russkilitlover

their s/b they're - sloppy, sloppy Russkilitlover! [slapping myself silly]

33 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:07:43pm

re: #27 Desert Dog

I guess his Jedi Mind Tricks do not work on everyone

not without the kool aid mind softener. . .

34 deWildcats  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:07:57pm

We won't see 6800 again until CHANGE leaves office
But where is the bottom?

35 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:08:03pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

See:

Post # 4.

36 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:08:21pm

re: #16 chicagodudewhotrades

This isn't freefall anymore. It is more like HALO

Yeah, we started out at altitude, but I don't think the chute's opened yet.

37 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:08:36pm
38 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:08:41pm
39 vagabond trader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:08:49pm

Yes, everyone in America must be made a victim so big gov can become our loving nanny.

40 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:08:53pm

re: #36 subsailor68

(splat.)

41 just another four-letter word  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:09:01pm

re: #16 chicagodudewhotrades

This isn't freefall anymore. It is more like HALO

Are you sure the parachute is gonna open? Who packed it?

JAFLW

42 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:09:05pm

Is the Earmarket affecting the stock market?

43 Bob Dillon  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:09:08pm

Zer0 and Congress are just getting warmed-up. I'd guess we have another ~30% negative to go. And I sure hope I'm wrong.

44 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:09:08pm

News from Bloomberg is calling this a bear market for 2 more years.

TOP STORIES/MOST READ ON BLOOMBERG

VIX Premium Shows Stocks Bear Market Lasting 2 Years

Options investors are paying twice this decade’s average to protect against losses in U.S. stocks through 2011, signaling the bear market that already wiped out $10.4 trillion of equity value may last two more years.

I'm thinking it will last 4 years with Obama in the White House.

45 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:09:20pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

I was half expecting to see Tom Petty.

?

46 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:09:32pm

Wow. What an idiot I was to work and save and invest all my life.
At least I will have plenty of time to recover my losses.
Oh wait, I won't, unless I work until I am 90.

47 Roses  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:09:40pm

Devastating. But Obama has essentially declared war on his own people, on his highest producers, the engine that runs the economy.

He is the rancher, eating his seed corn, slaughtering his milk cows for meat, killing his bulls, consuming everything of value - He, with the legislators in their drunken spending orgy is mortgaging future revenues and will sell everything that is not bolted down before they get out of office.

And he has the activist orgs spouting lovely mission statements to lull the American public into complacency, farm life is so beautiful and bucolic after all.

48 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:09:59pm

re: #39 vagabond trader

Yes, everyone in America must be made a victim so big gov can become our loving nanny.

As Jefferson said;

A government large enough to give you everything you want is large enough to take all you have away. . .

devil is in the details. . .and the fine print. . .

49 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:10:13pm

re: #45 Russkilitlover

?

Wrote the song "Free falling"

50 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:10:15pm

This is all happening because George Bush cut taxes on the RICH!

/The One.

51 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:10:29pm

Karl Rove, dressed in a black body suit and a ninja mask was seen sneaking away from Wall Street earlier....

52 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:10:56pm
53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:10:58pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

I was half expecting to see Tom Petty.

Yay! I get it!

54 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:11:23pm

re: #46 rawmuse

Wow. What an idiot I was to work and save and invest all my life.
At least I will have plenty of time to recover my losses.
Oh wait, I won't, unless I work until I am 90.

See ya at Wal-Mart...I call the morning greeter position.....you'll have to pick up 2nd shift....sorry

55 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:11:31pm

This has to be a Socialist economy when people are "grateful" when the Down closes down less than 300 points.

56 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:11:48pm

I wonder what's the inflation rate? It says here it was .03% in January...

57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:11:53pm

re: #46 rawmuse

Those of us who have lived just at the edge of our means are feelin' a bit smug.

58 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:11:56pm

re: #36 subsailor68

Yeah, we started out at altitude, but I don't think the chute's opened yet.

Will take quite some time befor it opens.
I think traders are slowly doing the calculations which Congress hasn't been doing, and the reality is hitting them.

59 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:12:10pm

re: #44 Gus 802

News from Bloomberg is calling this a bear market for 2 more years.

I'm thinking it will last 4 years with Obama in the White House.

Maybe it will go up when Republicans take the Congress in 2010.

60 astronmr20  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:12:14pm

re: #55 FurryOldGuyJeans

This has to be a Socialist economy when people are "grateful" when the Down closes down less than 300 points.

I wouldn't say anyone is really "grateful" today...

61 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:12:15pm

re: #44 Gus 802

News from Bloomberg is calling this a bear market for 2 more years.

I'm thinking it will last 4 years with Obama in the White House.

An increase in the Republicans in Congress could temper it, and maybe even end the bear.

62 Bob Dillon  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:12:31pm

re: #46 rawmuse

Wow. What an idiot I was to work and save and invest all my life.
At least I will have plenty of time to recover my losses.
Oh wait, I won't, unless I work until I am 90.

At least you love what you do. ;-)

63 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:12:46pm

re: #59 Opinionated

Maybe it will go up when Republicans take the Congress in 2010.

True. There you go. 2 years!

64 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:12:48pm

Say it! Yell it!

I'm gonna kill the bear!

65 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:13:01pm

Say it again!

66 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:13:07pm

re: #58 yma o hyd

Will take quite some time befor it opens.
I think traders are slowly doing the calculations which Congress hasn't been doing, and the reality is hitting them.

And sadly, I think you're absolutely right.

67 Dianna  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:13:09pm

re: #26 Peacekeeper

Whoa. I thought you wrote period.

Well, then I could be highly emotional and do the rending of clothes and heaping of ashes on my head.

It wouldn't help me, or the market, but it'd sure be entertaining for any witnesses.

68 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:13:26pm

re: #61 CyanSnowHawk

Indeed, let us hope. 2 years of this is going to be brutal though.

69 NortonPete  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:13:50pm

This is bad for everyone whether directly invested or not. Corporate America is now worth essentially 1/2 what it was worth last year. Add in the value of America's real estate and the the entire country is essentially worth 1/2 as much as last year. Not good.

70 Jhn1  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:13:54pm

Maybe the people with money feel that the Government is going to confiscate that value if it is in the market, and don't want to make that "gift".

71 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:13:59pm

He's gonna chaaaange it...
re-araaaange it....

-creepy child singing voice

72 jamgarr  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:14:48pm

re: #71 Occasional Reader

He's gonna chaaaange it...
re-araaaange it....

-creepy child singing voice

Throw him out the door

73 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:15:05pm

re: #67 Dianna

HaHaHaHA! Lol!

74 brent  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:15:28pm
Dow below 7,000 on AIG, bank concerns

I love how Yahoo couches that - there were bank concerns last year, you tools. What's different, why does it go down every time our Big Brother opens his gob?

We don't think these jokers know what they're doing. Report that, or STFU.

Upside is that they'll go down as losers, another reminder of what happens when you give these cats the reigns and your checkbooks.

75 red satellite  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:15:35pm

401K------->301K-------->201K--------101K-------->NOK

76 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:15:36pm

Koskidz....
F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already?

fuck the dow. it's time the professional investors come down to earth and live like we do and we have for the last decade... wondering where their next paycheck comes from, is their job, home, lifestyle secure...

maybe then we can reset our priorities as a people and adjust our goals as a society

security of all over greed...
standard of living over lifestyles of the rich and jones's...
healthcare for my parents instead of BMW's for Wall Street...
basic dignity over outright greed...
job growth over outsourcing...

the people are speaking, they're tired of the 'dow' lifestyle, it's time for a revolution, and it's time for the people to benefit in this economy and the dow to adjust to reality...

fuck greed
fuck the dow

77 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:15:40pm

How do you say "Do you want fries with that?" in Mandarin?

78 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:15:40pm

re: #56 Caton

CATON!

Is that really you?!

79 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:15:43pm

re: #71 Occasional Reader

He's gonna chaaaange it...
re-araaaange it....

-creepy child singing voice

Change it back!

80 looking closely  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:15:44pm

I wasn't going to retire in the next 5-10 years anyway, so I can take the blow to my 401ks.

But my personal account is absolutely *devastated*. I've been hit so hard its embarrassing.

My question is, Is Obama and his team so clueless they don't know how to buffer the market slide, or are they actually doing this on purpose?

81 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:09pm

re: #62 Bobibutu

At least you love what you do. ;-)

Would you like fries with that? I start next week Monday. . .best I can do until I get a job in my field- I believe I have been umm, er, um Rove balled, ew, um, RINO balled, double ew. . .um, well, the color of coal balled in the field. . .

82 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:15pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

"it's time the professional investors come down to earth and live like we do and we have for the last decade"

On Mommy & Daddy's trust fund?

83 Mike McDaniel  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:22pm

Welcome to the Democrat Depression.

It will end when the Dems are thrown out of office.

84 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:26pm

re: #78 Occasional Reader

CATON!

Is that really you?!

Yeah. Won't stay long, though. How are you?

85 FightingBack  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:33pm

Good news for Commies.

86 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:36pm

re: #69 NortonPete

This is bad for everyone whether directly invested or not. Corporate America is now worth essentially 1/2 what it was worth last year. Add in the value of America's real estate and the the entire country is essentially worth 1/2 as much as last year. Not good.

Well, it could be worse. We could have a President and Congress that is hell bent on higher taxes on the most productive segment of society so they can give it to the least productive.
/

In a few years, we will all be longing for the days when we had it so good in March of 2009....

87 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:38pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Bolshevism is loose.

Must. Buy. Ammo.

88 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:44pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout


Oh.My.G-d.

89 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:49pm
90 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:57pm

No wait! The big news with the liberal bastion the Huffington Post has the Steele/Limbaugh debacle over the DOW.

Lame. Typical liberal obsessions.

91 looking closely  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:17:14pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Koskidz....
F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already?


These people are idiots.

Strike that, they're probably unemployed, since they obviously don't have retirement accounts or know anyone productively employed who does.

They won't be feeling the pain, until the price of weed goes up.

92 brookly red  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:17:25pm

What is there to discuss?

We are all being forced into dependence on the government. IMHO.

93 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:17:28pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Notice the rating on the "tip jar" (1st comment). (202+ / 0-)
This was on the recommended list until the admins took it down.

94 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:17:33pm

re: #84 Caton

Yeah. Won't stay long, though. How are you?

Okay, all things considered.

I quoted you not long ago, on something IDF related, I can't recall what.

Are you still in the US, or did you make the switch to Israel?

95 Peacekeeper  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:17:53pm

This was a long time coming. A bipartisan disaster.

96 just another four-letter word  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:18:05pm

Methinks the current Dumbocrat-controlled House/Senate are not going to last more than two years. The Uhhhhhhbama and the Court Clowns have done so much damage so quickly that the pain is going to be felt long before the elections in two years, and then the jerks in office aren't going to be able to cover their messes up with a rug or two.

If our country can last two years, the next set of elections are gonna be interesting, to say the least...

JAFLW

97 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:18:11pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Koskidz....
F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already?

I see that class in Macro-Economics that "diarist" took at the local community college did not quite sink in, did it?

98 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:18:29pm

re: #80 looking closely

I wasn't going to retire in the next 5-10 years decades anyway, so I can take the blow to my 401ks.

Fixed it for you.

99 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:18:35pm
Rich People Disgust me... (0+ / 0-)
Greed, for lack of a better word, is BAD!

I spit on BMW and Lexus, etc, and all the people who drive them...

You can wipe you A$$ with your Douche bag & Garbanzo, your DKDC (Don't Know, Don't Care), your Aero Pustule, your Dummy Booger Flinger

Hey, I think I just got an idea for Mock Offs. Maybe I'll call them Label Conscience...

I spit on BMW and Lexus, etc, and all the people who drive them...

How many jobs lost does that equal?

100 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:18:37pm

F**k You Mr. President

101 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:18:44pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

And there you have a large part of the problem. Losers like KosKids who think it is only the rich who have investments can't imagine that there are everyday men and women with investments, retirement savings. Savings and personal responsibility have no meaning in their lives.

102 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:14pm

Let's not use KosKidz ignorance as an excuse to bash WEED.

Thank you.

103 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:17pm

re: #94 Occasional Reader

Okay, all things considered.

I quoted you not long ago, on something IDF related, I can't recall what.

Are you still in the US, or did you make the switch to Israel?


Hello Canton!

104 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:22pm

re: #99 Ben Hur

The comments on that are hilarious.

105 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:25pm

re: #100 unrealizedviewpoint

F**k You Mr. President

Don't forget his adoring congress...

106 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:29pm

re: #82 Occasional Reader

"it's time the professional investors come down to earth and live like we do and we have for the last decade"

On Mommy & Daddy's trust fund?

If that moron could not make money in the last decade - one of the biggest booming economies known to history, then it has ZERO chance of anything OTHER than complete government care. Effin' loser!

107 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:33pm

baRock oBottom (NYSE:HOPE) -18.33% since 01/20/2009

108 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:34pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Charming.
Basically they say 'fuck everybody who has worked and saved - give it here, to me'.

Well - if this goes on they won't have time to spend in their basements in front of their PCs, writing drivel, they'll have to actually do some proper work.

No 'greed', no money to be taxed, thus no money to be given to KosKidz.

109 RondinellaMamma  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:34pm

Here's how to prosper in the face of this Cloward-Piven Strategy being conducted by Obama:

Run a pool (like all those football pools that spring up around Super Bowl time...) - participants bet on how low the Dow will tank each time Obama opens his mouth - whoever guesses the exact number of points, wins!

110 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:34pm

Everyone was mad at Republicans and wanted back the good ole Clinton years.

So that's what we've got.

The market is back to Clinton years levels.

111 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:36pm

re: #97 Desert Dog

I see that class in Macro-Economics that "diarist" took at the local community college did not quite sink in, did it?

Oh fine. Thanks. Just thanks a lot. Here I was all ready to get my blood boiling over those morons and you come along and make me blow coffee out of my nose.

Totally LOL!

:-)

112 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:20:03pm

re: #94 Occasional Reader

Okay, all things considered.

I quoted you not long ago, on something IDF related, I can't recall what.

Are you still in the US, or did you make the switch to Israel?

Right now I'm back in France.

113 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:20:13pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Koskidz....
www.dailykos.com...]>it's time the professional investors come down to earth and live like we do and we have for the last decade... A>

...do they mean professional investors should live in their parents basement scarfing down twinkies and getting high, or perhaps they meant borrowing mommy and daddys gold card and following a grateful dead tribute band around the country?

114 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:20:24pm

22:20 U.S. State Dept.: We urge Israel, Palestinians not to exacerbate tensions (Haaretz)


Pardon me, but who's firing the missiles ass holes?

115 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:20:30pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Amazing. Illustrates how the Kos-Idiots haven't the slightest clue of how this economy works. How the DOW is tied in with peoples retirement accounts. Without a robust DOW you can't support the socialist programs they promote. Unless of course you create capital out of thin air. They tried that in the "former" USSR and are still trying it in North Korea and Cuba.

116 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:20:31pm

Posted for no other reason:

I flew all the way from Flagstaff, Arizona to Phoenix, Arizona because my manager doesn't own a globe. We took off from the Flagstaff Airport, Hair Care and Tire Center there. The plane was really small, like a pack of gum with eight people in it, going (imitates sound of a tiny airplane) half the speed of smell. We got passed by a kite. There was a goose behind us, the pilot was screaming, "Go around! Go around!" On the way there, we lost some oil pressure in one of the engines, so we had to turn around. It's a 9-minute flight. Can't pull it off with this equipment. And they told us about it over the speaker system of the plane, which was stupid because they coulda just went (looks backward) "Hey, we lost some oil pressure." [gives a thumbs-up] Heard ya! Sure did. of course, I'd been drinking since lunch, so I was like "take it down, I don't care. Hit somethin' hard, I don't wanna limp away from this piece of shit." The guy sitting next to me is losing his mind. Apparently, he had a lot to live for. He turns to me, he says "Hey man! [gasps for air] Hey, man! Hey, man! [gasps for air] If one of these engines fails, [gasps for air] how far will the other one take us?" So I was like, "All the way to the scene of the crash! Which is pretty handy, 'cause that's where we're headed. I bet we beat the paramedics there by a half-hour! We're haulin ass!"

-Ron White

117 NortonPete  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:20:38pm

re: #86 Desert Dog

I suppose that the checks and balances in this scenario is that the Dems have Congress and the White House but all the money appears to be in the process of disappearing.

118 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:20:48pm

re: #101 VioletTiger

And there you have a large part of the problem. Losers like KosKids who think it is only the rich who have investments can't imagine that there are everyday men and women with investments, retirement savings. Savings and personal responsibility have no meaning in their lives.

I guess they will all wait for the homeless guy down at the shelter to start up a new company and hire them? Or, perhaps they are waiting for a cushy government job? Or, nevermind the job, just fill out the UB40 and wait for the dole checks to start coming in......

119 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:20:49pm

re: #89 taxfreekiller

Keep your eyes on California, its Democrat Commie Ground Zero.

It is 100% Bankrupt, only this fed. bail out kept it from insolvency.

Well, that PLUS an average of $1,500 per family in increased taxes.

120 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:21:06pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

idiots.

121 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:21:07pm

re: #114 Nevergiveup

22:20 U.S. State Dept.: We urge Israel, Palestinians not to exacerbate tensions (Haaretz)

Pardon me, but who's firing the missiles ass holes?

Presidents come and go, the State Dept remain assholes.

122 mfarmer1  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:21:25pm

Tech bubble. Housing bubble. Stock market bubble. If there is a silver lining here, it's that we will be forced to produce goods and services again instead of relying upon hocus pocus financial gimmicks. People will be forced to live within their means again as well. Eventually the government will too, but not until these payoffs and bribes work their way through the system bleeding us dry and there's nothing left to take. Interesting times ahead to say the least.

123 Sancho_Pansa  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:21:26pm

Don't we dare blame Obama & his policies. It's just those unpatriotic rich people taking the money elsewhere. ///

124 gearhead  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:21:39pm

re: #77 DaddyG

How do you say "Do you want fries with that?" in Mandarin?

Here it is phonetically :

Hai voe ted fur O bah mah.

125 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:22:01pm

re: #121 Opinionated

Presidents come and go, the State Dept remain assholes.

Ain't that the truth!

126 Gretchen  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:22:20pm

It is getting hard to believe the Obama administration is merely incompetent, this is the desired effect.

127 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:22:48pm

re: #112 Caton

Right now I'm back in France.

Huh. Well, say "hi" for us. They do definitely have the hottest First Lady, anyway.

128 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:22:48pm

OK someone has a clue over at Kos:

But that is bullshit. We are all interconnected. If the financial system fails then credit evaporates and we are all fucked. This isn't about us vs. them. This is about the economic infrastucture of the greatest economy in the history of the world being shaky. If the market collapses then it is the middle class that will be hurt the most, as we will lose our jobs even faster.

129 Max Darkside  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:22:56pm

re: #80 looking closely

My question is, Is Obama and his team so clueless they don't know how to buffer the market slide, or are they actually doing this on purpose?

A bit of both. It serves their purpose. Grow gov't, get you on the dole so they have power over you.

130 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:03pm

O-BUMMER! bumper stickers @ $1.50 ea.
I'll make TRILLION$!

131 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:07pm

re: #16 chicagodudewhotrades

This isn't freefall anymore. It is more like HALO

More like HANO.

/High Altitude No Opening

132 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:17pm

re: #128 Gus 802

OK someone has a clue over at Kos:

How long till they ban him?

133 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:19pm

well ya gotta give BO credit...he hit another one outa the park today

134 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:22pm

I snuck back here because I need some sanity. The market is tanking, I'm worried about our future, and people don't get it. I looked up The Power of Nightmares - I was curious - and it got a 9 out of 10 rating on IMDB -- even though it says terrorism is largely a creation of Western Leaders to keep us in line.

We're in trouble, aren't we?

135 z9z99  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:30pm

A pertinent quote from Theodore Roosevelt, April 23, 1910:

Of one man in especial, beyond any one else, the citizens of a republic should beware, and that is of the man who appeals to them to support him on the ground that he is hostile to other citizens of the republic, that he will secure for those who elect him, in one shape or another, profit at the expense of other citizens of the republic. It makes no difference whether he appeals to class hatred or class interest, to religious or antireligious prejudice. The man who makes such an appeal should always be presumed to make it for the sake of furthering his own interest. The very last thing an intelligent and self-respecting member of a democratic community should do is to reward any public man because that public man says that he will get the private citizen something to which this private citizen is not entitled, or will gratify some emotion or animosity which this private citizen ought not to possess.
136 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:39pm

re: #132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

137 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:50pm

re: #127 Occasional Reader

Huh. Well, say "hi" for us. They do definitely have the hottest First Lady, anyway.

Yeah, too bad she's slightly to the left of The One.

138 FightingBack  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:57pm

re: #128 Gus 802

OK someone has a clue over at Kos


Clearly a Moby.

139 Maximu§  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:59pm

re: #47 Roses

A 1000 up-dings for you.

140 just another four-letter word  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:08pm

re: #110 Opinionated

Everyone was mad at Republicans and wanted back the good ole Clinton years.

So that's what we've got.

The market is back to Clinton years levels.

Geez, I can hardly wait until it hits the Jimmah Cottuh levels!

Not.

JAFLW

141 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:08pm

Lindsay Lohan said converting to Judaism for girlfriend Samantha Ronson

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Please no, we got enough baggage.

142 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:14pm

re: #128 Gus 802

OK someone has a clue over at Kos:

Possible budding conservative?

143 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:14pm

re: #122 mfarmer1

So, we've spawned an army of Bubbleheads.

144 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:28pm
145 brent  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:31pm

I wasn't going to retire in the next 5-10 years decades anyway, so I can take the blow to my 401ks.

I think that may be the correct answer.

146 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:33pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

More trouble from AIG today. I think Obama's tax proposal announcement last week are also having an effect.

Yeah, this would be a fabulous time to scare capital away from U.S. markets by increasing the capital gains tax to 20% and corporate income tax rates to 39%. The market just doesn't understand how good this is for its future. ///

147 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:41pm

re: #122 mfarmer1

Tech bubble. Housing bubble. Stock market bubble. If there is a silver lining here, it's that we will be forced to produce goods and services again instead of relying upon hocus pocus financial gimmicks. People will be forced to live within their means again as well. Eventually the government will too, but not until these payoffs and bribes work their way through the system bleeding us dry and there's nothing left to take. Interesting times ahead to say the least.

You could see that housing bubble coming from a mile away.....prices here in Phoenix went up so fast and so high, anyone could see it was going to come crashing down....but, that did not stop A LOT of people here from buying up houses they knew were way over priced. I am just happy I've owned my for years. Otherwise, I'd be in a heap of trouble.....

148 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:48pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Yes. Putting money into investments for retirement is sooooo greedy.

149 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:51pm

OK.

NOw bringing the Grateful Dead into it, eh?

Let's all just throttle back a little bit, OK.

Weed and the Dead are not making these people idiots.

Here's a good comment:

Is this the dumbest diatribe yet? (5+ / 0-)
Recommended by:irmaly, Inland, skymutt, snkscore, Trobone
These are American investors you're talking about. All your friends and neighbors. Your parents. Your friends. Your teachers.

When you want "the Dow" to fall, you want them to fail.

150 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:53pm

re: #137 Caton

Yeah, too bad she's slightly to the left of The One.

mercy, does she also have a great personality. . .

151 midwestgak  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:55pm

US dollar collapse likely

James West
The prospect of the United States defaulting on its debt is not just likely. It's inevitable, and imminent.

Read on if you dare.

152 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:04pm

re: #144 taxfreekiller

Some one make an excuse for these dumb ass liberal commie Democrats now.

"Its Bush's fault!"
/

153 Perplexed  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:14pm

IT IS THE ECONOMY STUPID.

Sorry for the all caps, but those words will come back to haunt them.

154 opnion  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:14pm

Obama needs to exhibit some optimism & quit talking down the economy.
The doom & gloom is oppressive.
If, however he is trying to totally trash the economy,so that the people beg for his vision of Socialism, he is doing well. Personally I think that he is out to destroy things.

155 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:24pm

re: #140 just another four-letter word

Geez, I can hardly wait until it hits the Jimmah Cottuh levels!

Two weeks.

156 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:31pm

re: #129 Max Darkside

Self reliance is the enemy of Collectivism. All must be made to be dependent on the State.

Sorry if I seem dark lately, but I know a little too much about these assholes to even begin to delude myself that their intentions are any thing other than my darkest suspicions.

157 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:33pm

re: #137 Caton

Yeah, too bad she's slightly to the left of The One.

I'm much more willing to forgive, in her case. As long as she keeps bein' sexy n' stuff.

Ah, since we last spoke, I've 1) gotten married, and 2) become a gun owner (not necessarily in that order).

158 Maximu§  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:35pm

re: #108 yma o hyd

Charming.
Basically they say 'fuck everybody who has worked and saved - give it here, to me'.

Well - if this goes on they won't have time to spend in their basements in front of their PCs, writing drivel, they'll have to actually do some proper work.

No 'greed', no money to be taxed, thus no money to be given to KosKidz.

You know, I pay my bills on time and I bet there are alot of people like me who are wondering why we have to bail out the people who screwed up?

159 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:44pm

re: #142 Occasional Reader

Possible budding conservative?

Possibly. Or someone that accepts reality which is hard to find amongst clueless leftist kids.

160 FightingBack  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:58pm

re: #141 Nevergiveup

Lindsay Lohan said converting to Judaism for girlfriend Samantha Ronson

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Please no, we got enough baggage.

is she the one who doesn't eat?

161 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:26:16pm

re: #114 Nevergiveup

22:20 U.S. State Dept.: We urge Israel, Palestinians not to exacerbate tensions (Haaretz)

Pardon me, but who's firing the missiles ass holes?

In the mind of all those nations who are pledging billions of $$$ to re-build Gaza, the hamasholes are not firing missiles!
Thats evil Israeli propaganda to exacerbate the tensions.

////


(Over 100 missiles fired since the end of Operation Cast Lead, according to Israelicool. Nothing to see - move on.)

162 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:26:24pm

re: #141 Nevergiveup

Lindsay Lohan said converting to Judaism for girlfriend Samantha Ronson

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Please no, we got enough baggage.

Converting from what, Lohanamanism?

163 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:26:24pm

Not only do I miss George W. Bush, but I am even starting to miss Bill Clinton.

Say what you want about the guy, but he never went for the "compound an economic crisis to grow the government" crap that Emanuel, Axelrod, Obama, Pelosi and Reid have cooked up.

What ever happened to centrist Democrats? Are you people going to let a guy destroy the country and mortgage the future for generations because you found a charismatic associate law professor who can allay your white guilt?

164 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:26:37pm

re: #148 FrogMarch

Yes. Putting money into investments for retirement is sooooo greedy.

You made me think of this.

165 gearhead  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:26:44pm

re: #142 Occasional Reader

Possible budding conservative?

A new sub-group known as Obama Republicans.

166 Gretchen  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:27:05pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Koskidz....
F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already?

Note to Kos Kid: You win we'll all be unemployed like you soon enough. Who will pay for our entitlements?

167 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:27:18pm

re: #146 eschew_obfuscation

Yeah, this would be a fabulous time to scare capital away from U.S. markets by increasing the capital gains tax to 20% and corporate income tax rates to 39%. The market just doesn't understand how good this is for its future. ///

I heard some dick-wad on the radio this afternoon talking about how a cut in capital gains taxes won't help because no-one has any gains to reap the benefits of a tax cut on.

Are they really that fucking stoopid? I mean really?

168 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:27:42pm

re: #126 Gretchen

It is getting hard to believe the Obama administration is merely incompetent, this is the desired effect.


is O even addressing this catastrophe ? (wringing his hands somewhere?)
is he even concerned? sure doesn't seem so.

169 Logic  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:27:43pm

In an earlier post, I said I thought the DOW would go below 5000 this year... now I think it'll be sooner than later. We may even go to 4000. What's scary is that Obama doesn't even seem to care about what's happening with the Stock Market - in fact, it may be a part of his plan to bring about the complete ruin of Wall Street! It truly makes me wonder if he plans to tear it down in order to do the "rebuilding" he touts.

I really am not one to subscribe to conspiracy theories, but this almost daily onslaught of unprecedented spending, government expansion, assaults on the Constitution and financial upheaval makes me wonder if the “change” the Obama administration seeks to bring about is truly the end of capitalism as we know it. Here is a discussion of “debauching the currency” by none other than Keynes himself:

“Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalist System was to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. – As the inflation proceeds and the real value of the currency fluctuates wildly from month to month, all permanent relations between debtors and creditors, which form the ultimate foundation of capitalism, become so utterly disordered as to be almost meaningless; and the process of wealth-getting degenerates into a gamble and a lottery.

“Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose.”

(For those interested, here’s the article from which this excerpt is taken: Keynes)

If the value of the dollar collapses into nothingness, we are all in deep, deep trouble…

170 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:27:47pm

re: #141 Nevergiveup

Lindsay Lohan said converting to Judaism for girlfriend Samantha Ronson

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Please no, we got enough baggage.

I thought shellfish wasn't kosher?

171 Peacekeeper  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:27:47pm

Things keep going like this and some of the Republicans may actually stop saying how much they support him.

172 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:27:52pm

re: #157 Occasional Reader

I'm much more willing to forgive, in her case. As long as she keeps bein' sexy n' stuff.

Ah, since we last spoke, I've 1) gotten married, and 2) become a gun owner (not necessarily in that order).

Well, 2) Congratulations, 1) please accept my most sincere condolences.

173 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:28:04pm

re: #156 rawmuse

Citizens found to be self-reliant will judged in violation of The State and thus classified as Obsolete!

//

174 FightingBack  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:28:19pm

Even with my eyes closed, I can see Nancy popping up and clapping.

175 rockmanvermont  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:28:36pm

I am sure glad the American people believed Obama was a better economically.After spending something like $34 Billion dollars a day(and still using the $10 billion a month in Iraq bull crap),here we are seeing new lows not experienced since the largest technological advance of mankind(the Internet,which took off in the late 90's). We must get the voters to see the light for '10,and stop/reverse this at once!

176 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:28:44pm

re: #121 Opinionated

Presidents come and go, the State Dept remain assholes.

I miss John Bolton ...

177 Kenjen  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:28:52pm

Hurricane Obama, the costliest disaster in the history of the United States.

178 Rexatosis  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:28:55pm

We, as a nation, have got to stop electing individuals from an extremely narrow segment of the economy (lawyers) and stop re-electing politicians who have never done anything since leaving college or grad school but work in government. The founding fathers represented a broad range of the overall economy and had a broad range of professional experiences: George Washington-surveyor and militia, Ben Franklin-printing and science, Jefferson-agriculture and law, Paul Revere in MA-Silversmith, John Hancock-Merchant, Sam Adams-Brewing etc. As a result someone would inevitably understand how acts of the Continental Congress (and in the Colonial/State Legislatures) would impact almost any given segment of the economy. This is not to say they didn't screw up (Articles of Confederation) but they had a solid baseline of economic understanding from which to work and someone in Congress would have their "ox gored" from almost any economic policy so they had a self-interest in maintaining some semblence of sane economic policies. Our current Congress and POTUS are, to be nice, clueless regarding the practical application of economic policy. It behoves the electorate to stop electing bad lawyers who have been running for one office or another since they were 25-years old and start nominating and electing some citizens with some real world experience.

179 vagabond trader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:28:56pm

re: #154 opnion

Needs to go on an incommunicado vacation for about six months with his wife, veep and half of congress.

180 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:00pm

re: #156 rawmuse

Self reliance is the enemy of Collectivism. All must be made to be dependent on the State.

Sorry if I seem dark lately, but I know a little too much about these assholes to even begin to delude myself that their intentions are any thing other than my darkest suspicions.

no problem...wealth will leave the private sector by the boatload and even then the feds will pretty much control who works and how much you keep before the rest is turned over....it's the real deal bro

181 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:02pm

re: #174 FightingBack

*holds out pitcher*
Brain bleach?

182 Perplexed  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:04pm

re: #163 karmic_inquisitor

What white guilt? My last name is Ukrainian and my relatives escaped from Tsarist Russia between pogroms.

183 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:04pm

I don't know about you but I'm investing in Portuguese Water Dog futures.

184 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:05pm

re: #141 Nevergiveup

Lindsay Lohan said converting to Judaism for girlfriend Samantha Ronson

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Please no, we got enough baggage.

There is a Bush joke in there somewhere.

185 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:12pm

re: #141 Nevergiveup

Lindsay Lohan said converting to Judaism for girlfriend Samantha Ronson

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Please no, we got enough baggage.

Well, since she doesn't eat anything, the dietary restrictions shouldn't be a problem.

186 just another four-letter word  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:15pm

re: #135 z9z99

A pertinent quote from Theodore Roosevelt, April 23, 1910:

Yeah, I see that he used the words "intelligent and self-respecting member of a democratic community".

Where can we find even ONE of those amongst the Great Unwashed Masses nowadays?

187 Peacekeeper  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:35pm
Because you had a bad day
You're taking one down
You sing a sad song just to turn it around
You say you don't know
You tell me don't lie
You work at a smile and you go for a ride
You had a bad day
The camera don't lie
You're coming back down and you really don't mind
You had a bad day
You had a bad day
188 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:38pm

re: #172 Caton

Well, 2) Congratulations, 1) please accept my most sincere condolences.

SNAP! Is this whackable moment?

189 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:30:01pm

re: #174 FightingBack

Even with my eyes closed, I can see Nancy popping up and clapping.


me too sheesh

190 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:30:05pm

re: #169 Logic

Obama does care about what happens to the stock market.

He wants it to be completely wiped out so that he can put a new system of wealth distribution in its place.

And he needs scapegoats to do it.

191 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:30:06pm

re: #158 Maximu§

You know, I pay my bills on time and I bet there are alot of people like me who are wondering why we have to bail out the people who screwed up?

you don't have anything to say about right now...wonder all you want

192 Perplexed  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:30:33pm

re: #169 Logic

Down an average of 100 points per day. Can't keep doing that much longer.

193 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:30:56pm

re: #175 rockmanvermont


It does put an end to their, "You know what we could've done here at home with all the money going to the IRaq War?" bullsh*t.

194 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:31:04pm

re: #180 albusteve

It's gonna be time to cowboy up real soon.

195 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:31:11pm

I've already faced the fact my hubby and I will never be able to retire. Guess I should go back to school. LOL
[Link: www.pasadenastarnews.com...]

196 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:31:27pm

re: #177 Kenjen

Hurricane Obama, the costliest disaster in the history of the United States.

And what is he doing about it?

Nothing.

He. Does. Not Care.

197 screaming_eagle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:31:30pm

It's all part of Obama's plan to spread the wealth around. It's much easier to just make everybody poor.

198 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:31:32pm

re: #191 albusteve

That angers me too.

199 opnion  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:31:44pm

re: #179 vagabond trader

Needs to go on an incommunicado vacation for about six months with his wife, veep and half of congress.

Yes, in Obama's case doing nothing would be better than what he is doing.
I just don't believe that he is that out of touch. This economic destruction is willful.

200 Dianna  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:31:57pm

re: #89 taxfreekiller

Keep your eyes on California, its Democrat Commie Ground Zero.

It is 100% Bankrupt, only this fed. bail out kept it from insolvency.

Once the markets do the math and understand the Fed.'s do not have the cash flow to prop up Calif. they go under, then Obama puts the full faith and credit behind Calif. state , municipal , and county etal bonds,,,,,

on your ass until the Democrats get thrown out.

The only problem is that California pays more to the Federal budget than we get back.

When we crash, so does everyone else.

Enjoy.

201 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:00pm

re: #172 Caton

Ah, I remember what I wanted to ask you: Comments on Waltz With Bashir (if you've seen it), as someone who was there?

202 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:02pm

re: #178 Rexatosis

We, as a nation, have got to stop electing individuals from an extremely narrow segment of the economy (lawyers) and stop re-electing politicians who have never done anything since leaving college or grad school but work in government. The founding fathers represented a broad range of the overall economy and had a broad range of professional experiences: George Washington-surveyor and militia, Ben Franklin-printing and science, Jefferson-agriculture and law, Paul Revere in MA-Silversmith, John Hancock-Merchant, Sam Adams-Brewing etc. As a result someone would inevitably understand how acts of the Continental Congress (and in the Colonial/State Legislatures) would impact almost any given segment of the economy. This is not to say they didn't screw up (Articles of Confederation) but they had a solid baseline of economic understanding from which to work and someone in Congress would have their "ox gored" from almost any economic policy so they had a self-interest in maintaining some semblence of sane economic policies. Our current Congress and POTUS are, to be nice, clueless regarding the practical application of economic policy. It behoves the electorate to stop electing bad lawyers who have been running for one office or another since they were 25-years old and start nominating and electing some citizens with some real world experience.

But The One has an exotic name and was in Pakistan for two weeks.

203 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:09pm

re: #167 Harry Tuttle

I heard some dick-wad on the radio this afternoon talking about how a cut in capital gains taxes won't help because no-one has any gains to reap the benefits of a tax cut on.

Are they really that fucking stoopid? I mean really?

Yup. They are.

204 snowcrash  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:24pm

Cavuto: "Its a pig!" New $410b spending bill Obama will sign INSPITE of $7.7 billion for earmarks. 8,500 earmarks in bill.

205 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:24pm

re: #173 Gus 802

Unpersons

206 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:29pm

re: #188 DisturbedEma

Why marry when you can just give your house to a woman you don't like?

207 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:36pm

re: #192 Perplexed

Down an average of 100 points per day. Can't keep doing that much longer.

/not if there's any underpinnings to our economy, the markets are ridiculously oversold

208 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:40pm
209 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:44pm

re: #197 screaming_eagle

It's all part of Obama's plan to spread the wealth around. It's much easier to just make everybody poor.

Ah, I see you have been to Cuba!

210 brent  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:56pm

The US needs to think about making itself more anti-business, before it's too late. There's a reason why corporations are putting up offices in India instead of Detroit, and it's not all labor cost.

You get past the business owner and businessman as the enemy, and you start treating them like the solution. Government is here to serve us, not to crush us.

F the DOW? How about turning off your ipod, putting down your joystick*, and getting back to work?

Get over yourself already, you Rage Against my Allowance wannabe prophet loser(s).

* take that however you want.

211 bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:33:01pm

re: #168 nyc redneck

is O even addressing this catastrophe ? (wringing his hands somewhere?)
is he even concerned? sure doesn't seem so.

He is not concerned. He is probably plotting and has contingency spending plans ready to go through Congress if the Dow reaches 6000, 5000 etc... This is Christmas in March for him.

212 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:33:02pm

re: #185 CyanSnowHawk

Well, since she doesn't eat anything, the dietary restrictions shouldn't be a problem.

Her girlfriend might have issue with that.

/

213 Miss Molly  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:33:07pm

The market may be in the tank but the Obama's party every Wednesday night at the White House with all their "special" friends. And "special" mivoes on the weekend. So I would guess the Obama's don't really care much what happens to the market as long as they are in the White House.

214 KenJen  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:33:48pm

re: #196 karmic_inquisitor

And what is he doing about it?

Nothing.

He. Does. Not Care.

I really dont think he knows what to do. They dont teach you these things in community organizer school.

215 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:33:52pm

re: #194 rawmuse

It's gonna be time to cowboy up real soon.

I'm worried sick about my kids...and then the anger kicks in....we are getting soaked in a historical way....when people wake up it will be too late

216 A.W.  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:33:53pm

jesus, this is downright painful to watch. my job is secure, but... yike. And the most depressing thing is the whole thing was unnecessary.

217 vagabond trader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:33:57pm

re: #199 opnion

Yes indeed, and he warned us.

218 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:33:58pm

re: #202 Ben Hur

That would be funny if it weren't true. I read something written by a young woman that amounted to she couldn't wait to vote for him because he looked so cool in his sunglasses and suits.

219 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:34:09pm

re: #204 snowcrash

Cavuto: "Its a pig!" New $410b spending bill Obama will sign INSPITE of $7.7 billion for earmarks. 8,500 earmarks in bill.

That's less than a million per earmark. I think we're getting a bargain.
/

220 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:34:23pm

re: #214 KenJen

I really dont think he knows what to do.

Sure he does: Keep campaigning.

/

221 kansas  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:34:23pm

Let it bleed baby.

222 Logic  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:34:33pm

re: #190 karmic_inquisitor

Obama does care about what happens to the stock market.

He wants it to be completely wiped out so that he can put a new system of wealth distribution in its place.

And he needs scapegoats to do it.

An doesn't that scare the bejeezus out of you? What can be done to stop it?

223 Hengineer  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:34:38pm

So here comes the bag of bricks

224 Max Darkside  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:34:50pm

re: #156 rawmuse

Self reliance is the enemy of Collectivism. All must be made to be dependent on the State.

Sorry if I seem dark lately, but I know a little too much about these assholes to even begin to delude myself that their intentions are any thing other than my darkest suspicions.

No worries. Pretty soon the only way to succeed is to suck up to those who will be receiving Stimulus Money... and that is what he wants, as he will take your (and your kids and your...) tax money and dole it out as he sees fit.

225 FightingBack  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:34:56pm

re: #216 A.W.

jesus, this is downright painful to watch. my job is secure, but... yike. And the most depressing thing is the whole thing was unnecessary.

No job is safe.

226 Ben Hur  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:35:10pm

This couldn't have been unexpected, with all the "We;re all gonna die if you don't let me pass this bill" talk.

227 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:35:18pm

Let's see,

The Dow tanking.
Buy American provisions (for steel etc.) in the stimulus.
Increase in taxes for the "rich", including capital gains and corporate taxes.
The stimulus package sucking up private capital for government directed projects.
Creation of "czars" and "organizations" to manage all of this.

Herbert Hoover:
Dow tanking
Creation of Smoot-Hawley tariffs
Increased taxes

Roosevelt
Dow tanking
Creation of NRA, AAA, RA, WPA, with massive funding for each
Creation of "managers" to oversee projects and supervise private industry

How'd that all work out for 'em Obama?

228 littlebenny  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:35:29pm

This all sounds like a Hollywood production

"Obama Administration: Revenge of the Undeserving"

or...

"How to Screw Up Your Economy in 3 Easy Steps"
(Bailout failed businesses, increase spending, punish success)

Oy vey, this is going to be a looooong 4 years. Gulp.

229 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:35:29pm

re: #199 opnion

Yes, in Obama's case doing nothing would be better than what he is doing.
I just don't believe that he is that out of touch. This economic destruction is willful.

Has to be. Obama is wrong but he (and his people) are not stupid.

230 Perplexed  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:35:29pm

re: #213 Miss Molly

The market may be in the tank but the Obama's party every Wednesday night at the White House with all their "special" friends. And "special" mivoes on the weekend. So I would guess the Obama's don't really care much what happens to the market as long as they are in the White House.

"....good to be the king."

Mel Brooks was right on the money.

231 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:35:35pm

re: #206 Caton

Why marry when you can just give your house to a woman you don't like?

WHACK

232 screaming_eagle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:35:44pm

re: #209 rawmuse

Ah, I see you have been to Cuba!

Visions of Hope and Change!

233 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:36:00pm

re: #182 Perplexed

What white guilt? My last name is Ukrainian and my relatives escaped from Tsarist Russia between pogroms.

And if your family came here and made it on their own they probably aren't Democrats.

I know many "Centrist" Democrats who are white and can't help but mention Obama's race when describing the job he is doing. As if "first black president" has anything to do with job performance.

So many of them put aside their misgivings because of his skin color. They will now come to realize that they, for having supported a guy largely because of his race, will pay the price for their racism.

234 midwestgak  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:36:06pm

re: #169 Logic


“Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose.”

Hitler knew this was true and tried to bankrupt Britain by counterfeiting their currency. He would have succeeded had time been on his side.

235 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:36:17pm

re: #216 A.W.

jesus, this is downright painful to watch. my job is secure, but... yike. And the most depressing thing is the whole thing was unnecessary.

Last December, me and a buddy went to lunch saying we were safe from layoffs because our teams were overworked and shortstaffed. He was walked out of the office 2 hours later.

236 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:36:27pm

re: #198 Chicago Blonde

That angers me too.

the feds have no moral excuse to take so much wealth from the public to finance it's dreamworld commie ideology...it is flat out criminal regardless of any law....

237 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:36:32pm

re: #216 A.W.

jesus, this is downright painful to watch. my job is secure, but... yike. And the most depressing thing is the whole thing was unnecessary.

Only secure jobs are working for the government. (85% of the problem right there).

238 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:36:33pm

re: #126 Gretchen

It is getting hard to believe the Obama administration is merely incompetent, this is the desired effect.

If this is incompetence by O, where does that put VP Biden?

239 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:36:43pm

re: #151 midwestgak

US dollar collapse likely

James West
The prospect of the United States defaulting on its debt is not just likely. It's inevitable, and imminent.

Read on if you dare.

From that link:
'The risk from security in holding physical bullion is matched by the risk of confiscation by government in these volatile times. Don’t forget, the government confiscated and outlawed private ownership of gold in 1933 in support of an ill-conceived gold standard, which to some extent, was that era’s spin to halt the flight of gold (and real value) from U.S. soil.'

... and PB0 is using FDR's playbook.

AAARRRGGGHHH

240 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:36:55pm

Dammit! I just realized that I inadvertently boosted someone else's finances yesterday. I got $20 over at the self checkout at Home Depot and forgot to grab it out of the bill dispenser.

That was one expensive $2.95 bottle of weed and grass killer.

241 jpkoch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:37:15pm

Convert all assets to cash and wait it out...

242 FightingBack  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:37:20pm

re: #238 FurryOldGuyJeans

If this is incompetence by O, where does that put VP Biden?

The Court Jester

243 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:37:28pm

re: #214 KenJen

I really dont think he knows what to do. They dont teach you these things in community organizer school.

Chaos.

The left thrives on chaos.

French Revolution type chaos.

244 vagabond trader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:37:35pm

re: #226 Ben Hur

Now you're getting it!

245 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:37:46pm

re: #212 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Her girlfriend might have issue with that.

/

Or is her girlfriend the boyfriend?

246 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:38:01pm

re: #227 subsailor68

How'd that all work out for 'em Obama?

The problem is they don't teach history in school. Most people today would just think Smoot-Hawley opens for Hannah Montana.

247 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:38:21pm

re: #169 Logic

In an earlier post, I said I thought the DOW would go below 5000 this year... now I think it'll be sooner than later. We may even go to 4000. What's scary is that Obama doesn't even seem to care about what's happening with the Stock Market - in fact, it may be a part of his plan to bring about the complete ruin of Wall Street! It truly makes me wonder if he plans to tear it down in order to do the "rebuilding" he touts.

I really am not one to subscribe to conspiracy theories, but this almost daily onslaught of unprecedented spending, government expansion, assaults on the Constitution and financial upheaval makes me wonder if the “change” the Obama administration seeks to bring about is truly the end of capitalism as we know it. Here is a discussion of “debauching the currency” by none other than Keynes himself:

“Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalist System was to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. – As the inflation proceeds and the real value of the currency fluctuates wildly from month to month, all permanent relations between debtors and creditors, which form the ultimate foundation of capitalism, become so utterly disordered as to be almost meaningless; and the process of wealth-getting degenerates into a gamble and a lottery.

“Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose.”

(For those interested, here’s the article from which this excerpt is taken: Keynes)

If the value of the dollar collapses into nothingness, we are all in deep, deep trouble…

You may be right. I think he may just be trying to "redo" the financial markets. Remember, George Soros is one of his biggest supporters. A redo may just include getting rid of the capitalist CEOs and replacing them with those of a more socialistic bent, like Soros. And by socialist, I mean pro-Obama.

248 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:38:22pm

re: #240 CyanSnowHawk

That was one expensive $2.95 bottle of weed

Weed comes in bottles now?

249 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:38:26pm

re: #245 Nevergiveup

Or is her girlfriend the boyfriend?

I'm assuming equal time

250 Dianna  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:38:29pm

re: #134 Chicago Blonde

I snuck back here because I need some sanity. The market is tanking, I'm worried about our future, and people don't get it. I looked up The Power of Nightmares - I was curious - and it got a 9 out of 10 rating on IMDB -- even though it says terrorism is largely a creation of Western Leaders to keep us in line.

We're in trouble, aren't we?

Yes.

251 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:38:33pm

re: #241 jpkoch

Convert all assets to cash and wait it out...

/well over six months too late for that

252 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:38:59pm

re: #201 Occasional Reader

Ah, I remember what I wanted to ask you: Comments on Waltz With Bashir (if you've seen it), as someone who was there?

I haven't seen it. It ends with BBC footage of 'the aftermath of the Sabra and Shatila massacre'. 'nuff said.

253 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:39:00pm

re: #222 Logic

An doesn't that scare the bejeezus out of you? What can be done to stop it?

We got an interweb.

The same one that made George Bush powerless can make Obama powerless.

254 Perplexed  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:39:15pm

re: #225 FightingBack

No job is safe.

Got to disagree with you on that one. Pimps, prostitutes, and drug dealers are pretty much safe as occupations go. Even being a race pimp Jesse, Al, etal is a pretty safe job.

255 Max Darkside  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:39:22pm

re: #241 jpkoch

Convert all assets to cash and wait it out...

Yes, for a while, then the coming inflation will eat it... so as soon as you see inflation rear its ugly head, immediately convert that cash to tangibles that will rise with inflation.

256 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:39:25pm

re: #246 Chicago Blonde

The problem is they don't teach history in school. Most people today would just think Smoot-Hawley opens for Hannah Montana.

That's the absolute truth you speak.

257 FightingBack  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:39:36pm

re: #251 Killian Bundy

/well over six months too late for that

And what will the cash be worth after hyperinflation?

258 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:39:51pm

re: #158 Maximu§

You know, I pay my bills on time and I bet there are alot of people like me who are wondering why we have to bail out the people who screwed up?

Exactly.
And there are the pensioners who have worked hard saved, and rely on the interest on their savings - which are now in the toilet. But those who have lived comfortably on state handouts are in clover - and the pensioners support them with the taxes on their now meagre income.

Makes me effen angry.

259 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:39:52pm

re: #250 Dianna

Thanks for affirming my sanity, and that cute avatar made me smile. Something had to today.

260 Miss Molly  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:40:02pm

Obama and team are well aware of what the market is doing and I get this awful feeling that they very much like it this way as it will be easier to have a redistribution of wealth on their terms when all is destroyed. Obama doesn't seem at all uneasy about all this destruction.

261 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:40:05pm

re: #227 subsailor68

I think liberals must sleep throguh history class.

262 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:40:15pm

re: #246 Chicago Blonde

The problem is they don't teach history in school. Most people today would just think Smoot-Hawley opens for Hannah Montana.

History is taught, just history where Communism/Socialism is good and Rampant Capitalism as practiced in the US is the source of ALL the evils of the world, past, present, and future in perpetuity.

263 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:40:27pm

re: #241 jpkoch

Convert all assets to cash and wait it out...

Gold. Not cash.

264 FightingBack  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:40:37pm

re: #254 Perplexed

Got to disagree with you on that one. Pimps, prostitutes, and drug dealers are pretty much safe as occupations go. Even being a race pimp Jesse, Al, etal is a pretty safe job.

They'll demand payment in Gold.

265 Lee Coller  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:40:43pm

If it continues like this there's not going to be any rich for Obama to tax.

266 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:08pm

re: #263 Caton

Gold. Not cash.

Kind of late for that too. Isn't gold trading at over $1000 now?

267 bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:13pm

I know it's not an election, but where is the RNC? They should be putting out commercials saying "Mr. Obama, IT'S NOT WORKING". Or showing the public that they have ideas how to stop this that aren't being listened to. I know this won't stop the bleeding but the Republicans should be scoring points off of Obama's idiocy.

Pundits will get shouted down and House/Senate floor speeches won't get covered by the MSM.

268 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:20pm

re: #261 VioletTiger

I think liberals must sleep throguh history class.

They teach history in sociology class?

269 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:25pm

re: #262 FurryOldGuyJeans

History is taught, just history where Communism/Socialism is good and Rampant Capitalism as practiced in the US is the source of ALL the evils of the world, past, present, and future in perpetuity.

Makes one want to pull out the hair, doesn't it?

270 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:43pm

re: #241 jpkoch

Convert all assets to cash and wait it out...

I actually did that, at the height of the market. Not because I'm smart, but was splitting out trust dollars with my sister. So I'm now in cash - but don't have a clue what to do with it if Obama and/or the Fed start printing money like maniacs.

271 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:52pm

re: #260 Miss Molly

Obama and team are well aware of what the market is doing and I get this awful feeling that they very much like it this way as it will be easier to have a redistribution of wealth on their terms when all is destroyed. Obama doesn't seem at all uneasy about all this destruction.

He's out proselytizing for the Great Crash will all his rote preachings of Doom and Gloom.

272 livefreeor die  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:53pm

re: #80 looking closely

I wasn't going to retire in the next 5-10 years anyway, so I can take the blow to my 401ks.

But my personal account is absolutely *devastated*. I've been hit so hard its embarrassing.

My question is, Is Obama and his team so clueless they don't know how to buffer the market slide, or are they actually doing this on purpose?

I was wondering that myself the other day. It's hard to believe that this can't be intentional.

273 FightingBack  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:58pm

re: #268 Nevergiveup

They teach history in sociology class?

Only during February.

274 VioletTiger  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:58pm

re: #261 VioletTiger

I think liberals must sleep throguh through history class.

I think I slept through typing class..../

275 screaming_eagle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:01pm

re: #261 VioletTiger

I think liberals must sleep throguh history class.

Nawww, they just invent it to there liking.

276 Amer-I-Can  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:02pm

Did "The One"(TM) speak today? We usually have the worst free falls when the "Obamessiah"(TM) tells us there is nothing to worry about, twinged with a slight flavor of "Doooooomed, I tell you, we are all DOOOOOMED"

I didn't see any of that today.

//

277 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:04pm

gutting the stock market and killing the housing/finance business is contrived....there is no natural laws of free market economics at play here...this crash is man made for the most blatent and criminal power grab in our history...anybody that thinks otherwise is a fool

278 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:06pm

re: #16 chicagodudewhotrades

This isn't freefall anymore. It is more like HALO

less the opening part........

279 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:08pm

re: #151 midwestgak

US dollar collapse likely

James West
The prospect of the United States defaulting on its debt is not just likely. It's inevitable, and imminent.

Read on if you dare.

Consistent with his [Obama's] unfortunate proclivity to hiring foxes to guard chickens,

Heh. Ain't that the truth.

280 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:12pm
281 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:27pm

Ronald Reagan, ~20 years ago

"Mr. Gorbachev - Tear down this wall!"

Lizards today

"Mr. Obama, go organize a different community!"

282 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:31pm

re: #263 Caton

Gold. Not cash.

Ammo. Not gold.


/kidding
//I think?

283 Max Darkside  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:39pm

re: #263 Caton

Gold. Not cash.


I'm avoiding gold, but would rather use other, what I call, "tangibles".

284 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:45pm

re: #266 CyanSnowHawk

Kind of late for that too. Isn't gold trading at over $1000 now?

Meaning the dollar is worthless right now?

Silver will do.

285 Alan1123  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:52pm

169 -

That's just it!

Obama wants this.

He wants it Bad.
Remember - he is a Marxist - said as much in his "auto"-biography (did he really write it - or was that Ayers?).

The whole Gramski thing is going on - he wants to distroy capitalism. What better way to bring in the workers paradise than to ruin the wealth of the masses?

286 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:03pm

re: #280 buzzsawmonkey

I hope you sent that to Rush...

287 just another four-letter word  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:05pm

re: #225 FightingBack

No job is safe.

GMTA!

JAFLW

288 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:08pm

The MSM will no doubt spin the free fall as being the result of anything except Obama's socialist makeover of government.

289 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:16pm

re: #277 albusteve

gutting the stock market and killing the housing/finance business is contrived....there is no natural laws of free market economics at play here...this crash is man made for the most blatent and criminal power grab in our history...anybody that thinks otherwise is a fool

I agree and ask again, why did Bush/Paulson start this mess?

290 vagabond trader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:31pm

re: #257 FightingBack

You'll need a wheelbarrow full to buy a weeks worth of groceries.

291 Perplexed  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:40pm

re: #267 bloodnok

I know it's not an election, but where is the RNC? They should be putting out commercials saying "Mr. Obama, IT'S NOT WORKING". Or showing the public that they have ideas how to stop this that aren't being listened to. I know this won't stop the bleeding but the Republicans should be scoring points off of Obama's idiocy.

Pundits will get shouted down and House/Senate floor speeches won't get covered by the MSM.

SCREAMING it from the rooftops if need be. Where are the calls for investigations, indictments, sham trials, yellow press journalism, etc? If this were under a republican administration the press would be all over it in a heart beat. Wonder where all of the homeless went when the ONE was corinated?

292 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:47pm

re: #276 Amer-I-Can

Did "The One"(TM) speak today? We usually have the worst free falls when the "Obamessiah"(TM) tells us there is nothing to worry about, twinged with a slight flavor of "Doooooomed, I tell you, we are all DOOOOOMED"

I didn't see any of that today.

//

Meat Puppet Gibbs was furiously trying to positively spin the Socialist takeover of the medical sector of our economy.

293 screaming_eagle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:48pm

re: #261 VioletTiger

I think liberals must sleep throguh history class.


Obama slept through MATH class.

294 Maximu§  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:54pm

re: #178 Rexatosis

Being a politician used to be like a tour-of-duty. You sacrificed a few years of your professional life, tried to make America and your state a better place than when you came in and then YOU WENT BACK TO YOUR REGULAR JOB AFTERWARDS.

295 Nevergiveup  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:44:03pm

Secret anti-terror Bush memos made public by Obama

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Just remember what goes around, comes around!

296 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:44:27pm

re: #267 bloodnok

I know it's not an election, but where is the RNC? They should be putting out commercials saying "Mr. Obama, IT'S NOT WORKING". Or showing the public that they have ideas how to stop this that aren't being listened to. I know this won't stop the bleeding but the Republicans should be scoring points off of Obama's idiocy.

Pundits will get shouted down and House/Senate floor speeches won't get covered by the MSM.

I've been wondering about that myself. No advertising campaigns from what I understand and it might be due to a lack of cash flow. Instead we get the propaganda from the left via MoveOn and the unions. When you add the two groups and the biased media there's effectively no opposing views in the mass media today. Why the Republican party and the conservative movement is ignoring this is beyond my understanding.

297 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:44:38pm

re: #284 Caton

Meaning the dollar is worthless right now?

Silver will do.

Worth less than it has been.

298 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:44:42pm

re: #270 subsailor68

I actually did that, at the height of the market. Not because I'm smart, but was splitting out trust dollars with my sister. So I'm now in cash - but don't have a clue what to do with it if Obama and/or the Fed start printing money like maniacs.

Gold. Because they already are printing money like maniacs.

299 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:44:48pm

re: #240 CyanSnowHawk

Dammit! I just realized that I inadvertently boosted someone else's finances yesterday. I got $20 over at the self checkout at Home Depot and forgot to grab it out of the bill dispenser.

That was one expensive $2.95 bottle of weed and grass killer.

Where and when do you shop and can I follow you around?

300 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:15pm

re: #284 Caton

Meaning the dollar is worthless right now?

For whatever reason, the dollar is for the most part a lot stronger than it was a year ago (other than versus the yen).

Whether that can remain, is a very good question.

301 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:18pm

re: #298 Leonidas Hoplite

Gold. Because they already are printing money like maniacs.

Sigh. I know you're right. Gotta fund that stimulus somehow.

302 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:26pm

The U.S. is in a deep recession, what do you do?

Why, you double the deficit, increase the capital gains tax rate, and threaten to enact cap and trade of course.

/good thinking!

303 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:28pm

re: #282 Occasional Reader

Ammo. Not gold.


/kidding
//I think?

Huh. You probably aren't kidding.

re: #283 Max Darkside

I'm avoiding gold, but would rather use other, what I call, "tangibles".

What caliber?

304 Miss Molly  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:29pm

FightingBack --Biden reminds me of the Danny Kaye movie "The Court Jester" except for the fact that Danny Kaye was very funny and Biden is so dumb there is no end to the problems he will cause.

305 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:33pm

CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.

The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.

306 midwestgak  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:36pm

re: #241 jpkoch

Convert all assets to cash and wait it out...

Cash is not the answer. When the bottom falls out from under currency, a bottle of water will be worth more than a Lamborghini

307 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:37pm

Breaking in the Dallas Morning News right now:

Former Dallas Mayor Ron Kirk, who was nominated to a Cabinet position by President Barack Obama, must pay nearly $10,000 to the IRS to correct errors in his tax returns for the last three years, the Senate Finance Committee has announced. Details to come.

Another tax cheat headed to the White House.

308 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:39pm

re: #288 Ward Cleaver

The MSM will no doubt spin the free fall as being the result of anything except Obama's socialist makeover of government.

Blame Bush is the meme, all the time, until there is a spike up which is all due to the experienced brain trust that is Our Messiah-King anointed and enthroned.

309 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:42pm

re: #227 subsailor68

Let's see,

The Dow tanking.
Buy American provisions (for steel etc.) in the stimulus.
Increase in taxes for the "rich", including capital gains and corporate taxes.
The stimulus package sucking up private capital for government directed projects.
Creation of "czars" and "organizations" to manage all of this.

Herbert Hoover:
Dow tanking
Creation of Smoot-Hawley tariffs
Increased taxes

Roosevelt
Dow tanking
Creation of NRA, AAA, RA, WPA, with massive funding for each
Creation of "managers" to oversee projects and supervise private industry

How'd that all work out for 'em Obama?


I'm afraid PB0 thinks he can do vastly better than FDR and Hoover rolled into one ...

310 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:48pm

re: #282 Occasional Reader

Ammo. Not gold.


/kidding
//I think?

Ammo might become like cigarettes inside the bighouse.

311 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:46:24pm

Oddly enough on this day were the DOW tanks big time the Republican party is in the midst of a cat fight.

312 vagabond trader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:46:29pm

re: #267 bloodnok

Especially since only a few Rs voted for the pork-pak.Sadly, we have a huge deficiency in conservative leadership.

313 Lee Coller  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:46:33pm

re: #293 screaming_eagle

Obama slept through MATH class.

And his econ professor was a commie (then again, so was mine).

314 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:46:39pm

re: #309 yma o hyd

I'm afraid PB0 thinks he can do vastly better than FDR and Hoover rolled into one ...

There's a delicious irony in that statement.

;-)

315 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:46:40pm

re: #289 Harry Tuttle

I agree and ask again, why did Bush/Paulson start this mess?

stupidity....they have not been paying attention..Kiplinger has railed on this very topic for 40 yrs...it's the perfect storm because voters are dumbed down to the point where the MSM makes their choices for them....it's a fucking disaster that has been waiting to happen....it just blew Bush/Paulson away...

316 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:46:41pm

re: #305 FrogMarch

CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.

The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.

too bad his policies feel more like "rape"

317 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:46:44pm

re: #290 vagabond trader

You'll need a wheelbarrow full to buy a weeks worth of groceries.


Does Prada make wheelbarrows?

318 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:46:48pm

So, I have a question. Today's market plunge was triggered by awful news from AIG, coupled with the government's announcement that they are trying yet another plan to prop the company up. The continuing plans followed by failures followed by yet another plan is, I think, more responsible for the market's downturn than AIG's losses themselves.

The argument for this continuing support goes something like, "AIG is so large and so tied in with so many other institutions that it's failure would have a catastrophic ripple effect."

What I wanna know is - what effect would that be, exactly? At what point do we stop shoving our hand and taxdollars up this corpse's backside, and decide that the costs of failure are outweighed by the costs of continued support? What, exactly, is it that is supposed to happen if AIG crashes and burns that is so horrible that we're throwing sums exceeding the GDP of most of the world's nations at it, while mortgaging our own nation's future in the bargain? At what point is failure an option?

I'd like to see a detailed projection of what would ensue following AIG's collapse, rather than simply being brushed off with non-excuses like "It would be bad." Right now, I'm thinking that failure can't possibly be any worse than the decidedly nebulous solution we're pursuing.

Can anyone paint a fact-based picture? Not a worst-case scenario - a likely scenario.

319 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:01pm

re: #305 FrogMarch

CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.

The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.

Actually, I agree with CNN: you're fucked.

320 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:06pm

re: #305 FrogMarch

CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.

The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.

"Sex", as in, "bend over, hear it comes again"?

321 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:10pm

re: #285 Alan1123

Problem for Obama and the Socialists is that the market will just wait him out. Unless the Constitution gets amended in the next eight years, Obama has a finite timeline. He will be gone, and his cronies will be gone with him. It's happened before. The market simply outwaited FDR, and when he was gone, they started investing again.

Socialists and socialism will never kill capitalism as it is in our blood, our genetic makeup. Capitalism will always find a way.

322 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:15pm

re: #305 FrogMarch

Oh. My. Lord.

When will it end?

323 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:22pm

re: #295 Nevergiveup

Secret anti-terror Bush memos made public by Obama

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Just remember what goes around, comes around!

An effort to own the news cycle by feeding red meat to the liberal media.

They will ignore the markets and turn to our "collective shame".

And they will fail to mention that Obama idol FDR wiretapped without warrant, opened mail without warrant, and suspended habeas corpus throughout WW2.

324 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:33pm

There were years when I borrowed money in order to max out my IRA contribution. Borrowed it.

What an idiot I was. I should have bought a Corvette.

325 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:35pm
326 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:38pm

re: #305 FrogMarch

CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.

The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.

Unfreakingbelievable.

There you go. More pablum for the adoring masses.

327 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:44pm

re: #233 karmic_inquisitor

And if your family came here and made it on their own they probably aren't Democrats.

I know many "Centrist" Democrats who are white and can't help but mention Obama's race when describing the job he is doing. As if "first black president" has anything to do with job performance.

So many of them put aside their misgivings because of his skin color. They will now come to realize that they, for having supported a guy largely because of his race, will pay the price for their racism.

Democrats used to be like that- well, my dad was democrat, and never took a dime from anyone. . .the bread of charity is made of dirt. . .it soils you from the inside. . .

I no longer recognize the democratic parts, it is not like my dad believed it was. . .

328 shiplord kirel  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:48pm

Not to worry. Once the Messiah notices this he can just issue an executive order freezing the DOW at 6700.
/

329 vagabond trader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:55pm

re: #305 FrogMarch

More like saltpeter.

330 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:48:08pm

re: #320 Ward Cleaver

"Sex", as in, "bend over, hear it comes again"?

Oh yeah, and he smokes a cigarette afterward.

331 USCMSNE  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:48:10pm

Dollar Cost Average.

I know it doesn't help you lizards near or at retirement. But it's the only optimism I've got.

332 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:48:27pm

re: #320 Ward Cleaver

"Sex", as in, "bend over, hear it comes again"?

Oooh, been years since I have been BOHICAed!

333 Cheechako  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:48:41pm

I think I'm going out and do some prospecting for gold this summer. Anyone care to tag along?

334 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:48:49pm

re: #328 shiplord kirel

Not to worry. Once the Messiah notices this he can just issue an executive order freezing the DOW at 6700.
/

He is going to nationalize the Dow

335 subsailor68  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:48:57pm

Well, all...must go. Hope everyone has a wonderful evening, even with all this mess.

336 kansas  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:48:59pm

re: #222 Logic

An doesn't that scare the bejeezus out of you? What can be done to stop it?

Sorry, that's against the rules here.

337 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:49:08pm

re: #304 Miss Molly

FightingBack --Biden reminds me of the Danny Kaye movie "The Court Jester" except for the fact that Danny Kaye was very funny and Biden is so dumb there is no end to the problems he will cause.

But which cup does he serve to Obama? The Chalice from the Palace, the vessel with the pestle, or the flagon with the dragon?

338 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:49:27pm

re: #324 rawmuse

There were years when I borrowed money in order to max out my IRA contribution. Borrowed it.

What an idiot I was. I should have bought a Corvette.

Broads, booze, and cars....the new Obama approved investments.

339 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:49:32pm

re: #332 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oooh, been years since I have been BOHICAed!

you drank alot as a younger man, did ya?

340 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:49:32pm

re: #305 FrogMarch

CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.

The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.

Well, I'm feeling a pounding sensation in the asshole every time he speaks, is that what they mean?

341 Miss Molly  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:49:35pm

I don't think Obama had to do much in school. All he had to do was show up because he was a "special" person. If he had learned even the basics of economics he might know he was in way over his head.

342 HelloDare  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:49:39pm

re: #240 CyanSnowHawk

Dammit! I just realized that I inadvertently boosted someone else's finances yesterday. I got $20 over at the self checkout at Home Depot and forgot to grab it out of the bill dispenser.

That was one expensive $2.95 bottle of weed and grass killer.

Don't be so hard on yourself. What you did makes as much sense as Obama's stimulus package.

343 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:49:40pm

re: #335 subsailor68

Well, all...must go. Hope everyone has a wonderful evening, even with all this mess.

Kind Regards subsailor

344 Gretchen  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:49:58pm

re: #238 FurryOldGuyJeans

If this is incompetence by O, where does that put VP Biden?

I think this is exactly what Obama wants and he picked a VP to addled to figure it out.

345 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:50:02pm

re: #315 albusteve

stupidity....they have not been paying attention..Kiplinger has railed on this very topic for 40 yrs...it's the perfect storm because voters are dumbed down to the point where the MSM makes their choices for them....it's a fucking disaster that has been waiting to happen....it just blew Bush/Paulson away...

Well I'd like to think it was stupidity.

Sure came at a convenient fucking time for Obama to win office though.

If it was stupidity, GWB didn't do that many stupid things (he did things I disagree with bit I don't think any of them were really because he or his advisors were stupid).

346 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:50:18pm

re: #335 subsailor68

Well, all...must go. Hope everyone has a wonderful evening, even with all this mess.

Bye Subsailor, you too.

347 Special Forces Grunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:50:27pm

In the private universities, most academics have their retirement funds tied up in TIAA/CREF which is invested in the market. I wonder how the academy views socialism now?

348 Leonidas Hoplite  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:50:27pm

re: #315 albusteve

stupidity....they have not been paying attention..Kiplinger has railed on this very topic for 40 yrs...it's the perfect storm because voters are dumbed down to the point where the MSM makes their choices for them....it's a fucking disaster that has been waiting to happen....it just blew Bush/Paulson away...

It's as if everyone was swimming in the deep end with a kickboard, and suddenly the kickboards disappeared.

Everyone on Washington is in over their heads and do not have the courage to do what needs to be done. Let it work itself out. Of course, then the sheeple might (doubtful) begin to realize that politicians don't actually do/add anything of value...so better to look like you are doing something, even if it is the wrong thing, to protect your phoney-baloney job (thank you Mel Brooks!).

That's why this mess will last a long, long time.

349 tradewind  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:50:51pm

But.....everything is all right.... up tight, outta sight....
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

350 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:50:52pm

re: #334 Desert Dog

He is going to nationalize the Dow

I'm sure it's crossed his mind...he is a total maniac

351 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:50:56pm

re: #255 Max Darkside

Yes, for a while, then the coming inflation will eat it... so as soon as you see inflation rear its ugly head, immediately convert that cash to tangibles that will rise with inflation.

My strategy will, I think, be to sink the money into something I can actually use and enjoy - and possibly benefit from during a prolonged downturn. Home remodeling leaps to mind. I have to live somewhere, our horrendously outdated kitchen could certainly stand some upgrades, and the addition of things like a dehydrator/freezer/meat grinder would allow me to save money on food over the long term. It wouldn't hurt my home's value, either.

Might at well get some enjoyment out of my dwindling pile before it completely disappears.

352 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:51:04pm

re: #300 Occasional Reader

For whatever reason, the dollar is for the most part a lot stronger than it was a year ago (other than versus the yen).

Whether that can remain, is a very good question.

The dollar is strong because of the fear around the world. That, and other currencies suck too. Europe is facing bigger woes than we are (although Obama is doing his best to get us with as big an entitlement and regulatory burden as the EU).

If this crisis forces the Asian economies to abandon their export focus (and their dollar subsidies to aid their export growth) then Asian currencies will become the standard. Till that happens, the dollar is still it.

353 Max Darkside  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:51:04pm

re: #333 Cheechako

I think I'm going out and do some prospecting for gold this summer. Anyone care to tag along?

Sure! I used to pan and run a rocker box / sluice in Oregon, the Applegate River near Medford before they dammed it up. Popped a few nuggets out of there, but in the end, I netted out not much more than gas money for driving up there. It was fun, though.

354 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:51:05pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Koskidz....
F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already?

"I wish yuri's goat was dead...." envy and jealousy are truly ugly things

355 kansas  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:51:06pm

re: #345 Harry Tuttle

Well I'd like to think it was stupidity.

Sure came at a convenient fucking time for Obama to win office though.

If it was stupidity, GWB didn't do that many stupid things (he did things I disagree with bit I don't think any of them were really because he or his advisors were stupid).

Yeah, or because he wanted to fuck us.

356 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:51:22pm

re: #309 yma o hyd

I'm afraid PB0 thinks he can do vastly better than FDR and Hoover rolled into one ...

Said something similar this morning (dead thread, I think):

Obama is Hoover and FDR rolled into a crap torilla.

357 Perplexed  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:51:28pm

re: #347 Special Forces Grunt

In the private universities, most academics have their retirement funds tied up in TIAA/CREF which is invested in the market. I wonder how the academy views socialism now?

Probably along the lines of "if the damned capitalists had listened to us years ago, none of this would have happened."

358 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:51:50pm

re: #333 Cheechako

I think I'm going out and do some prospecting for gold this summer. Anyone care to tag along?

You can count on me!

359 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:52:04pm

re: #342 HelloDare

Don't be so hard on yourself. What you did makes as much sense as Obama's stimulus package.

That's not exactly a standard to aspire to.

360 Muadib  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:52:09pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Many thanks to you and the others willing to fish the cesspools of intellectual depravity for scraps of anti-wisdom for us to study.

The fool calling itself kubla000 is an abject idiot and surely does not recognize that it is Socialism that creates "a false sense of security, a false hope of riches, a fools chance of getting ahead".

361 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:52:17pm

Liberals saying that Obama speeches are like sex demonstrates one thing: Liberals aren't very good at sex.

362 Salamantis  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:52:24pm

If this keeps up, people will be drinking muddy water and sleeping in hollow logs.

Expect the deer population to tank, as people get meat wherever they can find it.

On the bright side, I see a new job market coming - for gunmen to protect corporate farm fields from midnight raiders.

363 see bs  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:52:43pm

It's Bush's Fault!

/

364 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:52:44pm

Ron Kirk and his tax problems. It looks like honest mistakes for once and/or differences in opinion of the tax treatment of an honorarium or two. I will not take him to task too hard over this one. It appears that he said to give his speaking fees to a college and unka has a problem with the way he did it.

Another nominee embarrassed

By ALEXANDER BURNS

The Senate Finance Committee released a statement Monday revealing that Ron Kirk, Obama's nominee for trade rep had to pay some back taxes...

"Mayor Kirk’s nomination team informed Finance Committee staff that in October, 2008 the mayor paid additional tax in the amount of $2,188 and additional interest in the amount of $139 for tax year 2006 after he was notified by the IRS that he had failed to report a speaking honorarium of $5,000 and dividend income of $819. The return was prepared by a paid tax preparer and filed jointly with his wife. The IRS identified the unreported income during a routine matching of Form 1099 income with the Kirks’ tax return.

"After reviewing Mayor Kirk’s tax returns for 2005, 2006 and 2007, Finance Committee staff submitted several questions to Mr. Kirk on February 6, 2009. The questions included a request for clarification of his practice of assigning honoraria to Austin College and whether the honoraria should have been reported as taxable income, substantiation of various charitable donations and other miscellaneous tax questions. Mayor Kirk provided written responses to the questions on February 17, 2009. He met with Finance Committee staff on February 19, 2009 for a due diligence meeting and to answer tax questions that had not been resolved by his written responses. Mayor Kirk submitted additional information to Committee staff on February 24, 2009 and February 28, 2009...

"Mayor Kirk has agreed to promptly file amended returns reflecting the adjustments discussed in this memo. Staff estimates the total tax adjustments on Mayor Kirk’s amended returns for 2005, 2006 and 2007 will be approximately $9,975."

365 Gretchen  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:52:48pm

This makes Obama's plan to spread the wealth around much easier. Less wealth to spread. Let's have a conga line!

366 Max Darkside  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:52:59pm

re: #358 Occasional Reader

You can count on me!

Hey, watch that torch, buddy... It's emitting CO2...

367 baldeagle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:03pm

This is intentional people. Did anyone listen to this guy during the campaign[and I am not talking about his prepared speeches], I am talking about unguarded moments, unscripted moments. This guy is an avowed leftist and is following Sauls bible to the letter. Be very afraid for this country and its very fabric, he is tearing it down and wants to rebuild it in his own image. Wake up.

368 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:10pm

It should be crystal clear to the GOP by this time that what is needed is a sound fiscal policy being upheld as our position in 2010 and 2012. Seems to me one month of 0bama has been enough to cause many Americans to consider this may not have been the best we could have done. They'll want reasonable fiscal sanity, and soon.

The crisis that hurt McCain might also be the crisis that saves this party. Fisc-cons must step up now, and be the force in the party. Focus on tax cuts, discuss reform of the spending mechanisms in Congress, and champion reasonable spending (including science).

If we can do this, we can win back Congress, we can take the WH in 2012. Are we bold enough to do it?

369 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:11pm

re: #365 Gretchen

This makes Obama's plan to spread the wealth around much easier. Less wealth to spread. Let's have a conga line!

TOGA! TOGA!

370 Miss Molly  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:17pm

CyanSnowHawk --hopefully it will be "the brew that is true". But Biden can't count to two so he will never get it right.

371 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:19pm

re: #276 Amer-I-Can

Did "The One"(TM) speak today? We usually have the worst free falls when the "Obamessiah"(TM) tells us there is nothing to worry about, twinged with a slight flavor of "Doooooomed, I tell you, we are all DOOOOOMED"

I didn't see any of that today.

//

Over the weekend they announced the Hopey Changey World Tour with Gordon Brown.

372 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:20pm

re: #345 Harry Tuttle

Well I'd like to think it was stupidity.

Sure came at a convenient fucking time for Obama to win office though.

If it was stupidity, GWB didn't do that many stupid things (he did things I disagree with bit I don't think any of them were really because he or his advisors were stupid).

Bush warned against the FM/FM meltdown several times...so did McCain and they dropped the ball...not enough votes to stiffen the regs...but it all started long before that, in fact back to Carter...it's all in the record plain as day

373 Rexatosis  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:26pm

Okay its rant number two:
We as a society need to get back to basics, like Aesop and his fables reality based basics for a modern world. If you are a dope-smoking slacker, who skips school, doesn't work, guess what, you freeze to death when winter comes you dumb grasshopper. If you don't sow, reap, mill the wheat, make the flour, knead the bread, bake the bread then the little red hen, not you eats the bread she created and if she is kind enough to share it don't bitch that it isn't "organic" enough for you. If you can't reach the damn grapes don't bitch they are sour fox, get a damn ladder. Unfortunately for us our "hope and change" President and his minnions take the view the grasshopper has been racially oppressed by the ants thus he had not choice but to become a Kronic-smoking slacker, that the little red hen is an oppressive capitalist who needs her bread baking operation regulated to serve the people while actually driving it out of business, and it's the grapes fault the fox can't reach it so we have to cut down the grape vines.
(The never ending winter and collapsing Dow are making me cranky:(

374 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:27pm

re: #305 FrogMarch

CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.

The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.

That's because they promise so much and delivers so little.

375 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:33pm

Possibly OT but a review of a must-read book by Jamie Glazov.

Delves into the mind of the Kozkids and their insane hatred of what has made America great.

376 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:44pm

re: #316 Desert Dog

too bad his policies feel more like "rape"

A stick up, rape, and a rectal exam.

377 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:54:09pm
378 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:54:15pm

re: #312 vagabond trader

Especially since only a few Rs voted for the pork-pak.Sadly, we have a huge deficiency in conservative leadership.

It's just like with McCain's campaign. Obama would unleash a whopping lie and it would go unchallenged. How they let Obama get away with calling the pokulus bill "bi-partisan" without a fight is very disturbing.

I may have said a few words a few threads back about what I thought Rush's negatives might be with I's and Ds, but I am 100% behind Rush when he says that the RNC has better things to do than to go after Rush Limbaugh at a time like this.

379 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:54:30pm

re: #296 Gus 802

I've been wondering about that myself. No advertising campaigns from what I understand and it might be due to a lack of cash flow. Instead we get the propaganda from the left via MoveOn and the unions. When you add the two groups and the biased media there's effectively no opposing views in the mass media today. Why the Republican party and the conservative movement is ignoring this is beyond my understanding.


Psssst. Shhhhhhhh (they're lost in Dem-lite mode, they don't have any ideas, either).

380 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:54:42pm

re: #376 FrogMarch

A stick up, rape, and a rectal exam.

And not even a kiss or an "I love you" afterwards....he probably won;t even call.....weep, weep, weep.....

381 opnion  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:54:49pm

re: #305 FrogMarch

CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.

The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.

Well if this is sex, then Obama is a HOBOsexual, cause it's a bum fuck.

382 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:54:49pm

re: #331 USCMSNE

Dollar Cost Average.

I know it doesn't help you lizards near or at retirement. But it's the only optimism I've got.

Despite the ongoing drubbing, one can certainly make the case that this is a buying opportunity that will only come once in a lifetime. And with prices very low, the downside is strictly limited, while the potential upside is huge - if you're patient.

And if everything swirls down the crapper, you won't be any worse off than if you had stood pat, anyway.

383 Salamantis  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:54:51pm

It's Obama's bend-over-and-take-it stimulus package. His version of trickle down.

384 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:54:59pm

re: #332 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oooh, been years since I have been BOHICAed!

Yeah, I am no longer allowing it myself- seven kids and 2 sets of twins is enough!

385 vagabond trader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:03pm

re: #368 Sharmuta

We need to hear something coherent from them NOW. The way this is shaking out two years=too late.

386 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:09pm

re: #300 Occasional Reader

The US dollar is still the preferred reserve currency in the world since there are no real alternatives. Nobody trusts the Euro, as the EU has no central federal reserve to set a consistent monetary policy. The coming civil unrest in Europe, when the banks collapse in a few days, will make that all the more clear. The Chinese yuan is not trusted because private property and the rule of law are not deeply held values in China.

That leaves the US dollar. People trust it because the US political system is stable and the rule of law respected.

387 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:16pm

re: #299 DaddyG

Where and when do you shop and can I follow you around?


You can buy weed at Home Depot?

388 Miss Molly  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:35pm

Popcorn and Conga Line every Wednesday night at the White House. All are not invited!

389 Opinionated  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:41pm

If I lived in Maryland I would not be worried to write here that Obama is a Socialist who is going to destroy the economy.

Maryland Court Upholds Anonymity For Commenters on Web Sites

ANNAPOLIS, Md. -- Maryland's highest court has ruled in favor of Internet anonymity, saying Web sites involved in defamation suits don't have to reveal the identity of readers who post comments on their site.


[Link: online.wsj.com...]

390 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:49pm

re: #347 Special Forces Grunt

It's making for some rather heated arguments round the old faculty club lately.

391 Desert Dog  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:52pm

re: #384 DisturbedEma

Yeah, I am no longer allowing it myself- seven kids and 2 sets of twins is enough!

awww come on! One more and you can be OCTOMOM! We are all pulling for ya!

392 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:53pm

re: #365 Gretchen

You know what's sad, is someone posted on a thread last week some treacly article about people getting "some good" from this - cutting back, spending time with the family etc. The timing angered me because that piece of fluff would never have been written if a Republican was in the White House.

393 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:54pm

re: #348 Leonidas Hoplite

It's as if everyone was swimming in the deep end with a kickboard, and suddenly the kickboards disappeared.

Everyone on Washington is in over their heads and do not have the courage to do what needs to be done. Let it work itself out. Of course, then the sheeple might (doubtful) begin to realize that politicians don't actually do/add anything of value...so better to look like you are doing something, even if it is the wrong thing, to protect your phoney-baloney job (thank you Mel Brooks!).

That's why this mess will last a long, long time.

it's just infuriating to see these guys get away with this....everybody knows the economy could turn around in 48hrs if measures were taken to do that....this is criminal imo

394 tradewind  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:55pm

re: #365 Gretchen

Boogie Wonderland my ayass.....
I'm sorry, but that is just inappropriate in this climate. Michelle at least had the right idea when she hosted a screening of ' He's Just Not That Into You'.
Damn straight. He's into your wallet. Deep into it.

395 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:05pm

re: #356 Honorary Yooper

Said something similar this morning (dead thread, I think):

Obama is Hoover and FDR rolled into a crap torilla.

You forgot to include Jimmy Carter.

396 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:12pm

re: #379 Russkilitlover

Psssst. Shhhhhhhh (they're lost in Dem-lite mode, they don't have any ideas, either).

Yeah, I think so. They're stuck in "lets wait for the Sunday morning political talk show mode." Which most Americans don't watch.

397 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:15pm

re: #340 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, I'm feeling a pounding sensation in the asshole every time he speaks, is that what they mean?

Yes. Weirdly, CNN likes it that way.

398 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:22pm

re: #386 Kenneth

That leaves the US dollar. People trust it because the US political system is stable and the rule of law respected.

I wonder how long that will last?

399 KenJen  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:42pm

re: #365 Gretchen

This makes Obama's plan to spread the wealth around much easier. Less wealth to spread. Let's have a conga line!

How bout the limbo dance instead. How low can the Dow go. How low can it go?

400 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:51pm

re: #347 Special Forces Grunt

In the private universities, most academics have their retirement funds tied up in TIAA/CREF which is invested in the market. I wonder how the academy views socialism now?

The government should restore the value the academy lost to the market and stop relying on capitalism to provide for their retirement.
/sadly, that's probably their thought.

401 turn  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:55pm

re: #326 Gus 802

Unfreakingbelievable.

There you go. More pablum for the adoring masses.

Hey everybody, the comment came from a Republican strategist who said something to the effect Obama's speeches were like sex, even the worst is still good. Not CNN.

402 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:58pm

re: #372 albusteve

Bush warned against the FM/FM meltdown several times...so did McCain and they dropped the ball...not enough votes to stiffen the regs...but it all started long before that, in fact back to Carter...it's all in the record plain as day

Mmm. It looks pretty bad but what do I know.

I do believe GWB deserves the benefit of the doubt at any rate.

403 UFO TOFU  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:59pm

re: #324 rawmuse
I just mailed off my 08 IRAs today. I feel like I just threw 11k away.

404 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:00pm

Gibb's spoke today at a press conference.
[Link: www.freedomslighthouse.com...]

405 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:10pm

re: #376 FrogMarch

...rectal exam.


And I used to think it was only a choice between written and oral. School sure has changed since I graduated.

406 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:13pm

re: #386 Kenneth

That leaves the US dollar. People trust it because the US political system is stable and the rule of law respected.

[clears throat]

Ah... yeah! Y'all can count on us.

/why am I not feeling all that relieved

407 tradewind  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:14pm

re: #397 FrogMarch

What, no leg tingle?

408 snowcrash  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:15pm

The coming cap and trade tax is very scary. I regret it has taken me so long to pay attention to this. HotAir has a good article up.

409 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:25pm

re: #386 Kenneth

The US used to be stable, politically. Past tense.

410 just another four-letter word  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:30pm

People, here's what you should invest in:

Provident living website

Go to the Family Home Storage and Finances section.

You can't eat gold, okay?

JAFLW

411 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:34pm

re: #368 Sharmuta

It should be crystal clear to the GOP by this time that what is needed is a sound fiscal policy being upheld as our position in 2010 and 2012. Seems to me one month of 0bama has been enough to cause many Americans to consider this may not have been the best we could have done. They'll want reasonable fiscal sanity, and soon.

The crisis that hurt McCain might also be the crisis that saves this party. Fisc-cons must step up now, and be the force in the party. Focus on tax cuts, discuss reform of the spending mechanisms in Congress, and champion reasonable spending (including science).

If we can do this, we can win back Congress, we can take the WH in 2012. Are we bold enough to do it?

I am! Now who's with me?!

412 Maximu§  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:38pm

re: #347 Special Forces Grunt

In the private universities, most academics have their retirement funds tied up in TIAA/CREF which is invested in the market. I wonder how the academy views socialism now?

Hey, I thought all you 11B's were Dumb-asses...you sound pretty intelligent to this old Cav Scout.

413 midwestgak  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:46pm

re: #321 Honorary Yooper

Socialists and socialism will never kill capitalism as it is in our blood, our genetic makeup. Capitalism will always find a way.

Dear {Honorary},

Capitalism does work every time it's tried. But it is being eroded by the powers that be. I am a proponent of the free market.

To quote a gentleman and patriot, "Free for how long?" Zell Miller

414 HippieforLife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:50pm

re: #295 Nevergiveup

Boy, Eric Holder sure is a bright light. ////

415 apachegunner  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:54pm

Hello from the Atlanta airport Embassy lizards!

416 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:57pm

Don't forget - this is not PB0 getting 'the rich'.
Commies respect the 'rich'.

Its about pauperising the middle classes, those who are not hanging on the state welfare drip.
Its about PB0 getting those independent, working people on their knees and forcing them to crawl to him with a begging bowl.

417 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:58:02pm

GAWD, the folks on Fox Business just said something about (rough quote) "now that we are below the 7,000 dow level how soon will we go below the 6,000 level?"

418 Diamond Bullet  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:58:03pm

Obama isn't just trashing my 401k and strafing the burning remains of what was once my nest egg, he's trashing my daughter's 529. It's pretty awesome how Obama can claim to want to invest in education when those of us who actually are literally investing in it are getting the shaft thanks to his decrepit policies. It'll be fun to have to explain to my kids how despite our best efforts they couldn't go to college because Obama'd rather spend money on rebuilding Gaza or funneling loot to his community organizing banditry. Just not a "whee!" sort of fun.

419 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:58:13pm

re: #373 Rexatosis

Yeah, nobody told the little red hen she was selfish back then, did they?

420 brookly red  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:58:19pm

I see men standing idle on the street corners, once proud but no longer, talking amongst them selves. I see them whispering to each other in the bars & coffee shops. They flash signs with their hands but do not make eye contact. I see them spit when his name is mentioned.

I see money change hands, & I see children delivering packages... & the cops pretend not to notice, this too I see.

The fear has passed, the time grows near, the weather warms. Slowly, slowly, it can not be long now.

The spirit screams.

421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:58:24pm

re: #415 apachegunner

What's up rich boy!?

422 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:58:33pm

re: #333 Cheechako


I'm there

423 tradewind  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:58:56pm

re: #399 KenJen
This low:

424 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:59:01pm

re: #352 karmic_inquisitor

That might happen in the long run, but it won't happen any time soon. No way China can turn itself into a modern consumerist society in a year or two. They are structured for exports and they need a strong US dollar to do that.

425 Perplexed  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:59:08pm

re: #417 chicagodudewhotrades

GAWD, the folks on Fox Business just said something about (rough quote) "now that we are below the 7,000 dow level how soon will we go below the 6,000 level?"

At about 100 points a day probably 10-15 trading days.

426 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:59:19pm

re: #391 Desert Dog

awww come on! One more and you can be OCTOMOM! We are all pulling for ya!

Yeah, with out the state paid for invitro. . .and the welfare- I am going to McDonald's for work in a week and glad for the money

427 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:59:20pm

re: #386 Kenneth

The US dollar ... People trust it because the US political system is stable and the rule of law respected.

Heh. You're funny.

/sarc

428 shiplord kirel  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:59:20pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Koskidz....
F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already?

I don't like to admit it, but the Kosturd is right to a certain extent. Professional investors and their heedless, fantasy-driven machinations were the biggest single factor in creating this mess, along with public officials and financial media who were either wholly complicit or completely asleep. The fatcats' many amateur imitators have also had a role: A big part of the housing debacle resulted from greedy but otherwise unqualified speculators taking out multiple mortgages they imagined they could turn for a quick buck before any big bills came due.

429 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:59:23pm

re: #368 Sharmuta

It should be crystal clear to the GOP by this time that what is needed is a sound fiscal policy being upheld as our position in 2010 and 2012. Seems to me one month of 0bama has been enough to cause many Americans to consider this may not have been the best we could have done. They'll want reasonable fiscal sanity, and soon.

The crisis that hurt McCain might also be the crisis that saves this party. Fisc-cons must step up now, and be the force in the party. Focus on tax cuts, discuss reform of the spending mechanisms in Congress, and champion reasonable spending (including science).

If we can do this, we can win back Congress, we can take the WH in 2012. Are we bold enough to do it?

Well, we need strong fiscal conservatives. I can name a few to start, including the man who I think should have been president right now, Mitt Romney. We need people who understand how the market works, and understand that you need to cut spending as well as taxes (no more borrowing!).

2010 is a great time to start fighting back. May I suggest a few slogans:
*Had Enough?
*Change In YOUR Pocket
*No More Obamadepression
and one I like, but may be over the top,
*Just Say No To The BHO.

Then a full fiscal con attack is needed for 2012. Jindal, Pawlenty, et al, need not apply.

430 FightingBack  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:59:32pm

re: #417 chicagodudewhotrades

GAWD, the folks on Fox Business just said something about (rough quote) "now that we are below the 7,000 dow level how soon will we go below the 6,000 level?"

Tomorrow.

431 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:59:49pm
432 Gus  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:00:36pm

re: #401 turn

Eek. Really?

433 Natasha  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:00:43pm

re: #305 FrogMarch

CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.

The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.

If these freaks think Obama speeches are anything like sex, they've never got laid well enough to know better. Or, I suspect, never got laid at all. Ugh!

434 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:00:55pm
435 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:00:58pm

re: #431 Iron Fist

He has become Shiva - Destroyer of Worlds Wealth.

Not the legacy I'd figure he was shooting for, but he can say he helped get rid of those Middle Class values his radical, anti-American church was so opposed to. By the time he's done, there will be no more Middle Class.

Eight years of this, and there will be no more America.

436 apachegunner  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:01:13pm

re: #421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian HEY!

437 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:01:18pm

What's the largest one day drop ever?

438 FightingBack  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:01:39pm

re: #437 TheMatrix31

What's the largest one day drop ever?

Wait for it.

439 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:01:42pm

re: #395 SixDegrees

You forgot to include Jimmy Carter.

I didn't include Carter because I was making a Great Depression analogy. Now, in regards toward Iran, Obama is Carter X 10.

440 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:01:42pm

Buddy, can you spare a trillion?

441 yma o hyd  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:01:58pm

re: #373 Rexatosis

Good rant!

Just one other thing: if there's no taxation without representation - why is there representation without taxation?

I reckon those who don't pay tax don't get to vote.
And I exclude paying all those indirect taxes, which all ahve to pay willy-nilly.

442 Blackacre  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:02:00pm

President hope and buddy, can you spare some change?

443 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:02:00pm
444 Perplexed  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:02:12pm

re: #435 Caton

Giving it that long, eh? When the civil unrest starts he's going to have his hands full.

445 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:02:47pm

re: #437 TheMatrix31

What's the largest one day drop ever?


Black Monday
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

446 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:02:47pm

re: #429 Honorary Yooper

Well, we need strong fiscal conservatives. I can name a few to start, including the man who I think should have been president right now, Mitt Romney. We need people who understand how the market works, and understand that you need to cut spending as well as taxes (no more borrowing!).

2010 is a great time to start fighting back. May I suggest a few slogans:
*Had Enough?
*Change In YOUR Pocket
*No More Obamadepression
and one I like, but may be over the top,
*Just Say No To The BHO.

Then a full fiscal con attack is needed for 2012. Jindal, Pawlenty, et al, need not apply.

"Obama: Give up your office, not our liberty"

"Honk if you are paying for my mortgage"

"You 52%ers can *(^*&%(^%$&$$^%^*%$ my (*&*&^&(*"

Ok I made that last one up.

447 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:02:53pm

notice how O's dem picks only pay their taxes when they're nominated.
crooks thru and thru.
imagine if pres bush had such a slew of thieves.

448 summergurl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:02:55pm

re: #435 Caton

EightFOUR years of this, and there will be no more America.

449 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:02:55pm

re: #368 Sharmuta

It should be crystal clear to the GOP by this time that what is needed is a sound fiscal policy being upheld as our position in 2010 and 2012. Seems to me one month of 0bama has been enough to cause many Americans to consider this may not have been the best we could have done. They'll want reasonable fiscal sanity, and soon.

The crisis that hurt McCain might also be the crisis that saves this party. Fisc-cons must step up now, and be the force in the party. Focus on tax cuts, discuss reform of the spending mechanisms in Congress, and champion reasonable spending (including science).

If we can do this, we can win back Congress, we can take the WH in 2012. Are we bold enough to do it?

I'm wavering...my confidence is nearly spent, but I think winning the House in '10 is more important than the WH in '12....BO must be stopped in the House and Senate...there is no time to waste...I think by the end of the year this country will be in severe crisis...there is only that issue, even defense will become secondary...

450 Miss Molly  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:03:12pm

Caton -- I don't think it will take 8 years to destroy us. Barry can do that in much less time and seem hell bent on just that! He is a very angry person and seems bent on punishment to a society he considers has offended him.

451 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:03:17pm

re: #425 Perplexed

At about 100 points a day probably 10-15 trading days.

At this rate, there won't be much of a Dow left in 2 months.

452 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:03:25pm

re: #444 Perplexed

Giving it that long, eh?

Yeah. Betting on people's stupidity is safe.

453 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:03:35pm

re: #80 looking closely

I wasn't going to retire in the next 5-10 years anyway, so I can take the blow to my 401ks.

But my personal account is absolutely *devastated*. I've been hit so hard its embarrassing.

My question is, Is Obama and his team so clueless they don't know how to buffer the market slide, or are they actually doing this on purpose?

If they are moving us to socialism, this is the way to do it.

454 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:03:56pm

re: #437 TheMatrix31

Percentage wise, it was the 87 crash.

455 USCMSNE  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:03:57pm

re: #382 SixDegrees

Despite the ongoing drubbing, one can certainly make the case that this is a buying opportunity that will only come once in a lifetime. And with prices very low, the downside is strictly limited, while the potential upside is huge - if you're patient.[...]

One of my biggest regrets is that I didn't start investing heavily when I graduated high school. Compounding and time value of money are topics that I've always known. I just hadn't been as dedicated to investing as I should have been. No excuses. Is it a sign that the down is at it's lowest since 1997, the same year I graduated HS.

456 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:03pm

re: #398 Caton

I wonder how long that will last?

It's all relative. Despite the heavy gloom hovering over the US, the rest of the world is generally in far worse shape. China is the only thing resembling a bright spot, with GDP growth still in positive territory, but they are nothing without exports, and exports are drying up rapidly as the rest of the world hunkers down and focuses on necessities like food and energy, which tend more toward local production. Another spike in oil prices, which many predict this coming summer, will hammer China very badly.

At the moment, and for the foreseeable future, the US has the brightest prospects, and is universally expected to be the first to emerge from the current recession.

457 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:05pm

re: #427 Harry Tuttle

That's relative to the rest of the world. Watch what happens in Europe & Korea over the next few months. One gov't has already fallen, more will come. Several major European banks are close to collapsing. The merde is about to hit the fan.

458 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:08pm

re: #428 shiplord kirel

I don't owe his parents health care.

459 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:18pm

I remember "joking" I was going to get some business sized cards made up if 0bama won, and leave them for tips:

"President 0bama took my change. Ask him for your tip."

Maybe it's time has come.

460 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:20pm

re: #438 FightingBack

Wait for it.


LOL.

re: #445 notutopia

Black Monday
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Thanks!

461 lostlakehiker  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:21pm

There's this, though. The Chinese have not been pumping currency into their system like we have. At some point there's bound to be a reality check: the gold in Fort Knox is trivial compared to the gazillions of U.S. dollars in circulation or held abroad. The only thing backing our currency is the widely held sense that if and when you go to spend a dollar, there will be something of value for sale at a sensible price. It could be a new-model Boeing jetliner, tons of corn or beef, or sweet, new, gotta-have software. Whatever.

As the money supply growth rate outpaces the supply of goods and services available, something's gotta give.

462 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:30pm

re: #413 midwestgak

Socialists and socialism will never kill capitalism as it is in our blood, our genetic makeup. Capitalism will always find a way.

Dear {Honorary},

Capitalism does work every time it's tried. But it is being eroded by the powers that be. I am a proponent of the free market.

To quote a gentleman and patriot, "Free for how long?" Zell Miller

In case anyone forgets, after so many years of communism, the Russian black market finally surfaced, and produced much of what became the Russian mafia. It was the Russian black market that kept that nation alive, but because it was so surpressed for so long, a lot of it was quite unsavory. If we destroy capitalism here in the states, it won't disappear, but will become a huge underground industry. That is a real danger.

463 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:35pm

re: #455 USCMSNE

You're not the only one with that regret.

464 KenJen  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:38pm

Mark Steyn on Hugh Hewitt's show last week said he thinks 5000 is coming quickly. I know he not an expert on the economy but he usually hits the nail on the head.

465 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:40pm

well, since this is Carter Part Deux, what was the Dow when Reagan took over? Sort of a leftist "do over" to airbrush out the inconvient success of capitalism?

466 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:40pm

Well if the old "saw" holds true.....
This garganchuanhumungus cloud will some day.......
I hope someday have an awesome "Silver Lining"!
I'm beginning to think It'll after I'm gone! Drat!

467 tradewind  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:05:02pm

How long do ya s'pose BHO & Co. will continue to fall back on the ' We inherited this' crap?

468 vagabond trader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:05:07pm

re: #447 nyc redneck

It's a blatant show of contempt for the middle class they claim to care about.

469 SummerSong  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:05:25pm

re: #221 kansas

Let it bleed baby.

Why?

470 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:05:35pm

re: #459 Sharmuta

I remember "joking" I was going to get some business sized cards made up if 0bama won, and leave them for tips:

"President 0bama took my change. Ask him for your tip."

Maybe it's time has come.


Change you can believe in, but not spend. . .your tip has been taken by the new administration- thanks for all your hard work, but someone else behind you is getting the money! Have a NICE day:)

471 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:05:37pm

re: #457 Kenneth

One gov't has already fallen

If you had predicted two years ago that there would be riots in Iceland, people would have thought you were certifiable.

472 Perplexed  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:05:45pm

re: #467 tradewind

How long do ya s'pose BHO & Co. will continue to fall back on the ' We inherited this' crap?

Until the last day in office.

473 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:06:04pm

re: #450 Miss Molly

Caton -- I don't think it will take 8 years to destroy us.

Carter couldn't destroy the US in 4 years, that's why I'm optimistic.

474 itellu3times  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:06:06pm

re: #437 TheMatrix31

What's the largest one day drop ever?

I think in 1987 it lost about 1/3 in one day, or at worst over three days.

Today wasn't free-fall. I don't think we're going to see free-fall. Another 100 points, even 1000 points, over a few days or weeks but to merit the label "free-fall" from here I'd think you would need another 2000 points in one day. Maybe I'm optimistically nuts, but I just don't expect it.

475 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:06:17pm

To any Kosacks and committed Marxist/Liberals reading this thread -

What has capitalism brought?

Markets have been the lifeblood of civilization. Without markets, history would never have had division of labor take place. We'd all still be organized in tribes of hunter gatherers at war with one another.

Look at any great city in history that is rich in arts and culture and you will see that capitalism built that city and created the surpluses needed for the arts to thrive.

You want a better, more just, and prosperous world? One where freedom thrives and tyrants wither? Free people engaged in free markets that are properly regulated to police graft, theft, fraud and usury delivers. It always has. It always will. Look at the history of civilization - it is the history of capitalism.

Those who want to "end greed" are on the wrong side of history, with an odd perspective on economic morality made possible by the system they say they despise.

476 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:06:27pm
477 tradewind  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:06:42pm

re: #474 itellu3times

Aren't there autocontrols in place to prevent an actual free-fall?

478 corova  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:06:54pm

Don't worry. The market always recovers 6 months before the end of a Democratic presidency.

479 FightingBack  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:08pm

re: #461 lostlakehiker

More and more printed money, chasing the same supply of goods and services. Hello, Jimmah.

480 turn  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:09pm

re: #432 Gus 802

Eek. Really?

Yeah, it was his attempt at a joke on Sunday morning ... didn't go over well.

481 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:14pm
482 Sharmuta  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:24pm

re: #470 DisturbedEma

Change you can believe in, but not spend. . .your tip has been taken by the new administration- thanks for all your hard work, but someone else behind you is getting the money! Have a NICE day:)

"Here is $13. Keep whatever change is left and remember to thank President 0bama for the weekly stimuls."

483 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:27pm

re: #431 Iron Fist

He has become Shiva - Destroyer of Worlds Wealth.

Not the legacy I'd figure he was shooting for, but he can say he helped get rid of those Middle Class values his radical, anti-American church was so opposed to. By the time he's done, there will be no more Middle Class.


That's exactly it. He lies and says he's for the middle class - but he wants to destroy it.

484 Miss Molly  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:30pm

Canton -- One can only hope. I just feel we are all in a world of trouble until someone finally can put up a stop sign for Barry and hope he can read.

485 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:47pm

re: #418 Diamond Bullet

Obama isn't just trashing my 401k and strafing the burning remains of what was once my nest egg, he's trashing my daughter's 529. It's pretty awesome how Obama can claim to want to invest in education when those of us who actually are literally investing in it are getting the shaft thanks to his decrepit policies. It'll be fun to have to explain to my kids how despite our best efforts they couldn't go to college because Obama'd rather spend money on rebuilding Gaza or funneling loot to his community organizing banditry. Just not a "whee!" sort of fun.

He wants to invest in retirement and education - for you. He doesn't want you - or anyone - to do it for themselves (that's too selfish).

maObama is doing his best to destroy private equity to the greatest possible extent. When enough people have written off the prospect of recovering, or become desperate enough, he will unveil the solution - Full socialization of retirement and education.

486 Perplexed  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:50pm

re: #477 tradewind

Aren't there autocontrols in place to prevent an actual free-fall?

Technically, yes. Shutdowns on computer driven selling do cut in when the market falls a certain amount.

487 DisturbedEma  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:59pm

re: #482 Sharmuta

"Here is $13. Keep whatever change is left and remember to thank President 0bama for the weekly stimuls."

oooooooooh! good one!

488 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:08:03pm

re: #458 OldLineTexan

I heard that. I want to pay for my mom. I don't want to pay for Octomom.

489 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:08:16pm

re: #483 FrogMarch

That's exactly it. He lies and says he's for the middle class - but he wants to destroy it.

He IS destroying it.

490 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:08:30pm

re: #471 Occasional Reader

About two years ago, I recall reading an article, I think in the Economist, about how smart the Icelandic gov't was for running such a strong booming economy. I guess they were wrong, huh?

491 USCMSNE  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:08:39pm

re: #467 tradewind

How long do ya s'pose BHO & Co. will continue to fall back on the ' We inherited this' crap?

Some deushbag congressman was on Cavuto just now singing that song. I find it funny that a congressman would blame an "inherited" deficit when it's congress responsible for passing the budget.

Did I say funny. I meant sad.

492 Gretchen  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:08:40pm

re: #392 Chicago Blonde
When Bush was the president the media was hell bent on making the ecomomy worse than it was. Our local paper had an article that featured some families with hardhips like only being able to spend $50/week on Starbucks and having one car so one spouse took the bus to work. Now that the economy really has tanked this is all great! No food - we'll all lose weight!

493 itellu3times  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:08:52pm

re: #477 tradewind

Aren't there autocontrols in place to prevent an actual free-fall?

There are circuit-breakers, things you can't do when the loss exceeds X, but I don't think there are actual limits.

I think there's even a provision to close the market for 24 hours, and of course something like that could be done without notice, but not actual limits, no. Could be wrong.

494 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:09:07pm

re: #488 Chicago Blonde

I heard that. I want to pay for my mom. I don't want to pay for Octomom.

I don't want more socialism. I have more than I can stomach now.

495 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:09:18pm

re: #437 TheMatrix31

What's the largest one day drop ever?

From Wikipedia the 20 largest percentage daily drops in the DOW

Date, Points, Percent
1987-10-19, -508.00, -22.61
1929-10-28, -38.33, -12.82
1929-10-29, -30.57, -11.73
1929-11-06, -25.55, -9.92
1899-12-18, -5.57, -8.72
1932-08-12, -5.79, -8.40
1907-03-14, -6.89, -8.29
1987-10-26, -156.83, -8.04
2008-10-15, -733.08, -7.87
1933-07-21, -7.55, -7.84
1937-10-18, -10.57, -7.75
2008-12-01, -679.95, -7.70
2008-10-09, -678.91, -7.33
1917-02-01, -6.91, -7.24
1997-10-27, -554.26, -7.18
1932-10-05, -5.09, -7.15
2001-09-17, -684.81, -7.13
1931-09-24, -8.20, -7.07
1933-07-20, -7.32, -7.07
2008-09-29, -777.68, -6.98

496 Ruebacca  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:09:44pm

Wow Exxon down to $66.

Cap and trade will be the end of the democartic party. If they pass it and we have another winter like this one, they will be tost. "It's an investment against global warming." will not fly after another winter like this.

497 itellu3times  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:09:48pm

re: #490 Kenneth

About two years ago, I recall reading an article, I think in the Economist, about how smart the Icelandic gov't was for running such a strong booming economy. I guess they were wrong, huh?

Turns out they were spending too much on volcano monitoring.
/

498 HippieforLife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:09:48pm

re: #354 Fighton03

"I wish yuri's goat was dead...." envy and jealousy are truly ugly things

That makes it a sure bet - the Koskidz don't actually work! LOL!

What fools they are.

499 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:09:57pm

re: #492 Gretchen

When Bush was the president the media was hell bent on making the ecomomy worse than it was. Our local paper had an article that featured some families with hardhips like only being able to spend $50/week on Starbucks...

Ok, that's their first problem, right there! I know, the media is a joke.

500 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:10:00pm

re: #455 USCMSNE

One of my biggest regrets is that I didn't start investing heavily when I graduated high school. Compounding and time value of money are topics that I've always known. I just hadn't been as dedicated to investing as I should have been. No excuses. Is it a sign that the down is at it's lowest since 1997, the same year I graduated HS.

Same here. If I had started socking 10% of my income away back in high school, I would already be retired and living in style. Well, ignoring the events of the last few months, anyway. But I've still got 15 years (or more) until retirement age, and I've recently upped my 401k contributions to the point where I can't stand any more pain, on the theory that the market will - eventually - come back and continue growing.

If I'm wrong about that, I don't really see how hanging on to cash will do me any good over the long haul anyway. Except that you can stuff your walls with it for insulation.

501 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:10:02pm

re: #481 buzzsawmonkey

Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?

They used to tell me I was building a dream
And so I followed the mob
When there was earth to plow or guns to bear
I was always there, right on the job
They used to tell me I was building a dream
With peace and glory ahead--
Why should I be standing in line
Just waiting for bread?

Once I built a railroad, made it run
Made it race against time
Once I built a railroad, now it's done--
Brother, can you spare a dime?

Once I built a tower, up to the sun
Brick and rivet and lime
Once I built a tower, now it's done--
Buddy, can you spare a dime?

Once in khaki suits, oh, gee, we looked swell
Full of that Yankee-Doodley-dum
Half a million boots went slogging through hell
And I was the kid with the drum

Say, don't you remember? They called me "Al"
It was Al all the time
Say, don't you remember? I'm your pal--
Brother, can you spare a dime?

The Obama Nation will be living in the old Hoovervilles....

502 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:10:08pm

re: #479 FightingBack

More and more printed money, chasing the same supply of goods and services. Hello, Jimmah.

Hey, the wheelbarrows have odd or even numbers on them!

503 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:10:12pm

re: #489 notutopia

He IS destroying it.

Remember which church he's attended for 20 years, the church that hates the middle class.

504 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:10:16pm

re: #490 Kenneth

About two years ago, I recall reading an article, I think in the Economist, about how smart the Icelandic gov't was for running such a strong booming economy. I guess they were wrong, huh?

The Icelanders should get back to what their people have historically done best; raiding, looting and pillaging!

505 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:10:20pm

Alright fuck this doom and gloom crap. It's beer o'clock.

Have a good evening all.

Illegitimi Non Carborundum.

506 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:10:43pm

re: #462 Golem Akbar

In case anyone forgets, after so many years of communism, the Russian black market finally surfaced, and produced much of what became the Russian mafia. It was the Russian black market that kept that nation alive, but because it was so surpressed for so long, a lot of it was quite unsavory. If we destroy capitalism here in the states, it won't disappear, but will become a huge underground industry. That is a real danger.

I'm not so sold on that. We have a much longer tradition of capitalism than Russia did, and we won't be spending 70 years under Obamamunism. It may be more like Prohibition. Gangsters and the black market ruled the alcoholic beverage trade until it was repealed. After the repeal of Prohibition, the trade returned to the legitimate businesses, and the gangsters had to find something else or fall back on their traditional areas of expertise.

507 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:10:58pm
508 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:11:01pm

re: #494 OldLineTexan

I don't want more socialism. I have more than I can stomach now.

And yet, if you oppose it you don't caaaaare. You're selfissssshh. I used to explain that I have my family to look after, but now I just look at the person calling me that and say, "And?"

509 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:11:13pm

re: #392 Chicago Blonde

You know what's sad, is someone posted on a thread last week some treacly article about people getting "some good" from this - cutting back, spending time with the family etc. The timing angered me because that piece of fluff would never have been written if a Republican was in the White House.

Bothers the hell out of me, too! All that stuff is proper management of resources. If that "some good" had been practiced by more people, down turns would be easier to weather. But to take this tack, today, with what looks like an intentional federal poisioning of our economy is like telling a starving person that at least they are nice and thin!

510 Kenneth  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:11:23pm

re: #504 Occasional Reader

The Icelanders should get back to what their people have historically done best; raiding, looting and pillaging!

Whew, for a minute there, I thought your were going to say, Bjork.

511 opnion  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:11:26pm

re: #467 tradewind

How long do ya s'pose BHO & Co. will continue to fall back on the ' We inherited this' crap?

Their willing accomplices in the MSM will try to give them cover, but I think that BHO is over exposed. I say he wears thin in about six months & is forced to take ownership. His skin is thin , meltdown coming.

512 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:11:40pm
513 blackisright  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:12:07pm

You bad mouth the folks that can help bring things around and this is what you get. You promote ideas that have not work in over 100 yrs and this what you get. You repeat mistakes from the late 1920s and early 1930s this is what you get. No Mr. President, government is not the answer. Never was and never will be. Mr. Reagan and Bobby K had it right about tax cuts in a recs ion.

514 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:12:10pm

re: #495 CyanSnowHawk

1987-10-19, -508.00, -22.61

I remember that day. I was living overseas. Wondered, "is the next Great Depression us?" And instead... nothing happened. The economy just zoomed away. Of course, we had a very different class of man in the White House at the time.

515 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:12:13pm

re: #503 MandyManners

Remember which church he's attended for 20 years, the church that hates the middle class.

The church were if ANY Republican had attended - they would have been immediately laughed off the political stage.

516 doppelganglander  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:12:18pm

re: #473 Caton

Now here's a nic I haven't seen in a long, long time. How are you?

517 Maximu§  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:12:19pm

I have to get Back to work in the Uranium mines Comrades....~cough cough~

Please don't mind the pieces of lung I'm hacking up, my Doctor (who is a loyal party member) told me my X-rays from his Tupalov X-ray machine are fine and the black splotches showing are "nothing to worry about"

~cough...cough...Hack...Hack~

518 shiplord kirel  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:12:30pm

re: #505 Harry Tuttle

Alright fuck this doom and gloom crap. It's beer o'clock.

Have a good evening all.

Illegitimi Non Carborundum.

Yeah, I'm going to pop open a Guinness, while I can still afford it.

519 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:00pm

re: #483 FrogMarch

That's exactly it. He lies and says he's for the middle class - but he wants to destroy it.

and he's in fact doing it...I'm getting killed, so is my 86yr old mom and my wealthy sister...we are getting fucking killed...I cannot find work and my savings is drying up...the rest of my 'wealth' is tied up in the stock market except for some stuff down in Jamaica for a fall back situation...but now I'm even affraid to go down to that crime ridden hell to recover what's there...what a fucking mess and it's all contrived by BO and his minions...I simply cannot express my anger...I'm about do for a fucking stroke

520 turn  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:06pm

re: #454 Shr_Nfr

Percentage wise, it was the 87 crash.

Named Black Friday IIRC. I just broke down and looked at my end of the year 401k statement I've had pigeon holed in my desk here at work. I was down 31% going into O taking the office which wasn't as bad as I thought, problem is it's probably dropped that much more since O took office. I'm honked, I should have bailed a year ago and bought gold. I'm stuck riding this thing out now I'm afraid.

521 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:09pm

re: #476 Iron Fist

Any attempt to do anything helpful will only make things worse. As usual. I hope we won't need WWIII to get out of this mess.

522 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:11pm

re: #507 Iron Fist

I feel pretty smart right now. I invested in things last year that I'm probably going to need this year. Including a Beta-C mag in .223. It was back-ordered for six weeks, but I got it Friday. Now I'm wondering if I should order a second one...

While not quite as ambitious as you are in this line of investment strategy, I did order some boomstick-related stuff just last night.

523 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:12pm

re: #509 Russkilitlover

Agree on all of it. I should have invested more and better, and I admit that. I could have cut more corners. But guess what? I can count the number of times I've been to Starbucks. It's rare for me.

524 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:18pm
525 itellu3times  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:22pm

re: #512 buzzsawmonkey

Brother, Can You Spare a Dime? sung by the great Bing Crosby.

That black comedian guy? I didn't know he could sing!
/

526 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:23pm

re: #518 shiplord kirel

Yeah, I'm going to pop open a Guinness, while I can still afford it.

Roger that buddy.

527 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:31pm

re: #503 MandyManners

Remember which church he's attended for 20 years, the church that hates the middle class.

I remember.
The middle class ....the people that work hard and actually pay taxes to fund their social
welfare projects and "communities" and their education.
They hate us.

528 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:31pm

re: #508 Chicago Blonde

And yet, if you oppose it you don't caaaaare. You're selfissssshh. I used to explain that I have my family to look after, but now I just look at the person calling me that and say, "And?"

I have never been moved by those arguments. Of course I favor my family over your family. Of course I favor my town over your town. Of course I favor my state over your state. Of course I favor my country over your country.

/I'm not nuts

529 TheMatrix31  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:33pm

re: #495 CyanSnowHawk

From Wikipedia the 20 largest percentage daily drops in the DOW

Date, Points, Percent
1987-10-19, -508.00, -22.61
1929-10-28, -38.33, -12.82
1929-10-29, -30.57, -11.73
1929-11-06, -25.55, -9.92
1899-12-18, -5.57, -8.72
1932-08-12, -5.79, -8.40
1907-03-14, -6.89, -8.29
1987-10-26, -156.83, -8.04
2008-10-15, -733.08, -7.87
1933-07-21, -7.55, -7.84
1937-10-18, -10.57, -7.75
2008-12-01, -679.95, -7.70
2008-10-09, -678.91, -7.33
1917-02-01, -6.91, -7.24
1997-10-27, -554.26, -7.18
1932-10-05, -5.09, -7.15
2001-09-17, -684.81, -7.13
1931-09-24, -8.20, -7.07
1933-07-20, -7.32, -7.07
2008-09-29, -777.68, -6.98

Thank you....those are some insane drops.

530 Muadib  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:50pm

re: #507 Iron Fist

I feel pretty smart right now. I invested in things last year that I'm probably going to need this year. Including a Beta-C mag in .223. It was back-ordered for six weeks, but I got it Friday. Now I'm wondering if I should order a second one...

Concentrate on ammo. Maybe some spare parts for the guns. And good luck...

531 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:14:19pm
532 Natasha  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:14:33pm

re: #462 Golem Akbar

In case anyone forgets, after so many years of communism, the Russian black market finally surfaced, and produced much of what became the Russian mafia. It was the Russian black market that kept that nation alive, but because it was so surpressed for so long, a lot of it was quite unsavory. If we destroy capitalism here in the states, it won't disappear, but will become a huge underground industry. That is a real danger.

You are absolutely correct. With Russia, after the black market surfaced, and after the turbulence and even brutal violence that accompanied it, there emerged true, non-mafiosi Russian businessmen, who actually wanted to work and produce, in Russia. However, these new capitalists were quickly cut down by the biggest and worst mafia of them all: the government. Russians' big mistake was that while they tried to experiment with capitalism, they left their huge parasitic government intact...

533 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:14:43pm

re: #531 buzzsawmonkey

I am clearly missing a reference somewhere.

Bill Cosby

534 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:14:44pm

re: #512 buzzsawmonkey

Brother, Can You Spare a Dime? sung by the great Bing Crosby.

That's, like, old, and, like, old stuff is, like, dumb, and, like, sucks n' stuff.

535 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:15:01pm

re: #528 OldLineTexan

Of course I favor my family over your family. Of course I favor my town over your town.

//Into the Octagon, NOW buddy! :)

536 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:15:12pm

re: #527 notutopia

I remember.
The middle class ....the people that work hard and actually pay taxes to fund their social
welfare projects and "communities" and their education.
They hate us.

Mules are valuable. The man who beats his mule to death is a fool.

537 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:15:23pm

re: #534 Occasional Reader

That's, like, old, and, like, old stuff is, like, dumb, and, like, sucks n' stuff.

Y'know?

538 KenJen  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:15:25pm

re: #507 Iron Fist

I feel pretty smart right now. I invested in things last year that I'm probably going to need this year. Including a Beta-C mag in .223. It was back-ordered for six weeks, but I got it Friday. Now I'm wondering if I should order a second one...

Guns and ammo are never a bad investment. My next door neighbor took the Ford buy-out last year. This year he's making a killing selling off some of his gun collection and reloading ammo for friends at the gun range.-All from the comfort of his own home.

539 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:15:41pm

re: #434 buzzsawmonkey

If the Dow is collapsible enough, it'll fit into somebody's back pocket.

Hmmmm. Obama with the Dow in his back pocket. Not a good image.

540 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:15:43pm
541 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:15:56pm
542 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:04pm

re: #427 Harry Tuttle


I once wrote up a brief email where i looked at other places to invest in, other countries that could do better then the US over the coming years. It got turned into a bit of a group project since I emailed it around to friends asking for their thoughts and comments. If you look at big picture stuff, even with Zero at the WH, we still look better then pretty much everyone else. to quote what one friend said about the US economy compared to other nations: "the USA has had her purse snatched, Europe has been gang-raped and left for dead' I do see the Dollar staying the prime global currency and the nation the best investment in global terms, but we just gotta get thru until Nov 2010 (at the earliest) and Nov 2012

543 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:07pm

re: #520 turn

Named Black Friday IIRC. I just broke down and looked at my end of the year 401k statement I've had pigeon holed in my desk here at work. I was down 31% going into O taking the office which wasn't as bad as I thought, problem is it's probably dropped that much more since O took office. I'm honked, I should have bailed a year ago and bought gold. I'm stuck riding this thing out now I'm afraid.

Yes, that's where we are. Just sitting on on the 401k, waiting for it to get better...might take ten years but we don't need it right now.

What's hard on people like us is that the massive amount of money being pumped out by the Fed is going to bring about inflation, and my husband's whole company took an across-the-board pay cut. We know folks who took bigger ones. So now we have less money to pay for things that will cost more.

Thanks.

544 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:11pm

re: #536 OldLineTexan

Mules are valuable. The man who beats his mule to death is a fool.

O is a fool !
My mule butt is bleeding.

545 midwestgak  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:21pm

re: #471 Occasional Reader

If you had predicted two years ago that there would be riots in Iceland, people would have thought you were certifiable.

Here's another "trend" that will be "legal" March 5th.

Being certifiable, however, does not qualify you.

546 Natasha  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:26pm

What we see is Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" played out, in reality, in front of our own eyes. Fact is scarier than fiction, indeed.

547 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:28pm

re: #529 TheMatrix31

Thank you....those are some insane drops.

20% of those came AFTER Obama became the Donkeys annointed one (~may2008), not too mention the death of a thousand cuts since his inauguration.

548 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:38pm

re: #541 buzzsawmonkey

D'oh!

No, wrong TV dad.

549 HippieforLife  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:38pm

re: #443 Iron Fist

No, he hasn't reached the lows that Reno did. He just set up the capture of a six year old boy by a swat team at midnight.

So, it looks like he just needs that little bit of effort to bypass Reno. LOL

550 Blackacre  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:49pm

re: #130 IslandLibertarian

O-BUMMER! bumper stickers @ $1.50 ea.
I'll make TRILLION$!

Try OWE-BUM-MAO!

551 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:50pm

re: #519 albusteve

and he's in fact doing it...I'm getting killed, so is my 86yr old mom and my wealthy sister...we are getting fucking killed...I cannot find work and my savings is drying up...the rest of my 'wealth' is tied up in the stock market except for some stuff down in Jamaica for a fall back situation...but now I'm even affraid to go down to that crime ridden hell to recover what's there...what a fucking mess and it's all contrived by BO and his minions...I simply cannot express my anger...I'm about do for a fucking stroke

Stay calm, my friend. It sucks, but you are not alone. so many people have the same or very similar story. The last 5 years of my life were really busy work-wise. (you know- during those evil Bush years) and now work has dried up for me too. Life sucks right now- but we will persevere.
hang on.

Obama and the evil Democrats can suck it.

552 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:53pm

re: #492 Gretchen

When Bush was the president the media was hell bent on making the ecomomy worse than it was. Our local paper had an article that featured some families with hardhips like only being able to spend $50/week on Starbucks and having one car so one spouse took the bus to work. Now that the economy really has tanked this is all great! No food - we'll all lose weight!

I remarked the other day that there may be problems with the sky-is-falling reports so common these days. The Best Buy near me always has a packed parking lot, and the local restaurants are likewise jammed, even midweek. So I'm not entirely swayed by the drumbeat of dismal news.

553 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:17:04pm

re: #506 Honorary Yooper

I'm not so sold on that. We have a much longer tradition of capitalism than Russia did, and we won't be spending 70 years under Obamamunism. It may be more like Prohibition. Gangsters and the black market ruled the alcoholic beverage trade until it was repealed. After the repeal of Prohibition, the trade returned to the legitimate businesses, and the gangsters had to find something else or fall back on their traditional areas of expertise.


I think we're saying the same thing. Yes, we are not Russia. It -- Obama's socialism -- won't last long because it is so contrary to American tradition. Just like prohibition (good analogy), it produced an underground/black market economy, and once it ended, that economy emerged into legitimacy. But there was, and still is, a criminal class that was created as a result.

554 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:17:07pm

re: #529 TheMatrix31

Thank you....those are some insane drops.

/and every time the markets recovered and then some.

555 shiplord kirel  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:17:10pm

re: #458 OldLineTexan

I don't owe his parents health care.

Of course not. That's why I only said he was right to a certain extent, about some of the causes of the current disaster. He goes wrong is imagining that investor greed is somehow the reason for the lack of more freebies.

556 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:17:12pm

re: #530 Muadib

Concentrate on ammo. Maybe some spare parts for the guns. And good luck...

Get a john browning design...the work forever!

557 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:17:14pm

re: #516 doppelganglander

Now here's a nic I haven't seen in a long, long time. How are you?


As usual, somewhat older... like everybody here, I guess.

558 tradewind  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:17:48pm

re: #540 Iron Fist

At least it'll be a world class f---.
What steams me is reading that headling re ' global fix'.
We're already in this leaky boat ... the last thing we need is to welcome aboard a few other countries to sink it faster.

559 dave bean  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:17:54pm

Socialism at it's best. Obama has no idea...NO IDEA...on how to run a capitalist system.

Dave

560 USBeast  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:18:33pm

re: #536 OldLineTexan

Mules are valuable. The man who beats his mule to death is a fool.

Jackasses are valuable too, but we should quit electing them to office.

561 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:19:12pm
562 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:19:23pm

I was considering a new line of work, but then I head this,

563 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:19:25pm

re: #557 Caton

As usual, somewhat older... like everybody here, I guess.

It beats the alternative.

564 Perplexed  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:19:31pm

re: #553 Golem Akbar

I think we're saying the same thing. Yes, we are not Russia. It -- Obama's socialism -- won't last long because it is so contrary to American tradition. Just like prohibition (good analogy), it produced an underground/black market economy, and once it ended, that economy emerged into legitimacy. But there was, and still is, a criminal class that was created as a result.

I would agree with you except for one thing. It is much easier to squeeze the toothpaste out of the tube than it is to put it back. Obama currently has a boulder resting on the tube of toothpaste called our economy and toothpaste is spraying all over the place. Sure we could fix it all and have some semblance of order, but at what cost to us?

565 tradewind  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:19:51pm

re: #560 USBeast

Darwin got it right when it came to the mule and its reproductive ability. Damned if I know why the electorate insisted on performing an in vitro in '08.........

566 Muadib  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:20:26pm

re: #556 Fighton03

Yes! Keep 'em clean and oiled.

567 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:20:28pm

re: #561 buzzsawmonkey

Mentioned this to another congregant about my own age, and he said he had a nephew who simply couldn't watch black and white films. Can't process them.

Wow, are they missing out...

568 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:21:29pm

re: #507 Iron Fist

I feel pretty smart right now. I invested in things last year that I'm probably going to need this year. Including a Beta-C mag in .223. It was back-ordered for six weeks, but I got it Friday. Now I'm wondering if I should order a second one...


Hope your not as dissapointed with it as I was!
Sent it back and ordered 5 30's!
Try loading one in the dark with just instinct !
IMHO.....

569 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:22:08pm

re: #561 buzzsawmonkey

a very nice, hip young photog in my congregation who--at age 30--had never seen a Marx Brothers film

That's just plain criminal.

Ah, well. I've gotten used to everyone laughing at my ragged clothes, long hair, and rusty fowling piece.

Well, keep your Sunnyside up.

570 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:22:12pm

re: #563 Occasional Reader

It beats the alternative.

True :-)

571 Dave the.....  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:22:45pm

Here's a fun story...liberal Democrat from Minneapolis fabricated his past.

[Link: www.mndaily.com...]


Student to drop from City Council race, lied about past
Subhead:
An investigation by The Minnesota Daily found that Carlson lied on several occasions concerning items such as his college education at Princeton University and where he grew up.

BY Briana Bierschbach
PUBLISHED: 03/02/2009
Just days before DFL caucusing begins for Minneapolis City Council elections, Charles Carlson — University of Minnesota student and Minnesota representative at the Democratic National Convention — said he will announce Monday his withdrawal from the Ward 2 councilmember race following a series of lies regarding his past and his qualifications.
An investigation by The Minnesota Daily found that Carlson lied on several occasions concerning items such as his college education at Princeton University and where he grew up.
Carlson, who speaks with an English accent, previously claimed he grew up in Ramsgate, England, but admitted recently that he grew up in the United States.
The Daily confirmed that Carlson attended elementary school, middle schools and high schools throughout Minnesota, including Northfield High School, where a former classmate said Carlson did not have an accent. Also, the classmate did not have any knowledge of Carlson previously living in England.
............................................................

Other false claims
In a Sept. 2008 article titled, “Minnesota Represented at DNC by U student delegate,” Carlson stated that he officiated tennis at the 2008 Beijing Olympics. On Saturday Carlson admitted this claim is false.
Carlson also stated that he had a personal connection to Sen. Hillary Clinton that dated back to his childhood spent in England, where Clinton shared a crème brûlée torte with him. Carlson said this story is not true.
Carlson said he worked as a communications director on the Hillary Clinton campaign, but the Daily was not able to confirm this independently.

572 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:22:49pm

re: #556 Fighton03

Get a john browning design...the work forever!

Gaston Glock is no slouch, either.

573 turn  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:22:49pm

re: #543 EmmmieG

Yes, that's where we are. Just sitting on on the 401k, waiting for it to get better...might take ten years but we don't need it right now.

What's hard on people like us is that the massive amount of money being pumped out by the Fed is going to bring about inflation, and my husband's whole company took an across-the-board pay cut. We know folks who took bigger ones. So now we have less money to pay for things that will cost more.

Thanks.

Yes the inflation thing is scary, less for more seems to fit right in with O's strategy for this country. The only potential upside to hanging in there is the contributions I'm making at the low market rates now will hopefully (I hate that word hope now) rebound and help me recover sooner. Recommendation for a bumper sticker "Hope was Hype".

574 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:23:00pm

This article is blaming the dip in stocks today on the news from AIG earnings/losses. In the article it say.

"AIG: AIG reported a $62 billion fourth-quarter loss, the largest in U.S. corporate history, on turmoil in the credit markets and massive restructuring costs. For the full year, AIG lost $99 billion after reporting a profit of $9.3 billion in 2007.

To keep the company from collapsing and infecting the broader financial market, the government is revising its bailout for the third time and committing another $30 billion in exchange for cumulative preferred stock. The rescue plan now totals $162.5 billion. (Full story)"

If they have put in 162 billion, and they have lost almost half of that, isn't that sort of like a negative return.

Should they let this company die?

Shows you how much I know.

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

575 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:23:00pm

The next person in my office who mentions 6 Sigma in my presence is going to get punched in the throat.

576 gymmom  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:23:14pm

Was curious what cnn was saying today and saw this at their website.

none of the above?

577 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:23:38pm

re: #564 Perplexed

I would agree with you except for one thing. It is much easier to squeeze the toothpaste out of the tube than it is to put it back. Obama currently has a boulder resting on the tube of toothpaste called our economy and toothpaste is spraying all over the place. Sure we could fix it all and have some semblance of order, but at what cost to us?

I'm not quite sure what you mean (I too am perplexed...), but I worry that too much socialism will push us into an underground economy, and that will create still another criminal class of entrepreneurs. It remains to be seen how we will be affected. I guess we get to find out, soon enough.

578 WoodstockDave  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:23:59pm

Can we all now agree that Barry Bailout doesn't have the magical powers once claimed by his drooling acolytes?

579 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:24:01pm

re: #561 buzzsawmonkey

Missed you on the board yesterday, but I mentioned that I spoke on Saturday to a a very nice, hip young photog in my congregation who--at age 30--had never seen a Marx Brothers film. Ever. Mentioned this to another congregant about my own age, and he said he had a nephew who simply couldn't watch black and white films. Can't process them.

Ah, well. I've gotten used to everyone laughing at my ragged clothes, long hair, and rusty fowling piece.

I re-watched a B&W classic last evening, 1949, Rands,
The Fountainhead.... wonderful!
[Link: www.genordell.com...]

580 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:24:10pm

Walter, got a Lost question for you, but never seem to be able to catch you.

581 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:24:41pm

re: #574 Walter L. Newton

Should they let this company die?

AIG dying would be... seismic.

582 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:24:50pm

re: #534 Occasional Reader

That's, like, old, and, like, old stuff is, like, dumb, and, like, sucks n' stuff.

And it doesn't have electrolytes......

583 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:24:59pm

re: #571 Dave the.....

SO he wasn't just a liar, he was a bad liar. He didn't think some kid was going to come from his past and call him on it?

584 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:25:16pm

Left-wingers are such selfish ingrates. gimme gimme gimmee - mine mine mine.

I know a couple who live in Tornoto and they promise that if the US goes to a socialized health care system like they have in Canada - we will be bankrupt within 10 years.

We are bankrupt now! no matter-- the big government fascists have their eyes on the prize.

Oblivious to what we really need: a competitive insurance system.

585 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:25:24pm

re: #575 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The next person in my office who mentions 6 Sigma in my presence is going to get punched in the throat.

6 Sigma. There, I said it. What is it?

586 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:26:04pm

re: #575 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The next person in my office who mentions 6 Sigma in my presence is going to get punched in the throat.

A bunch of standard deviants they are!

587 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:26:04pm

re: #582 Fighton03

And it doesn't have electrolytes......

... that plants need!

588 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:26:06pm

re: #582 Fighton03

And it doesn't have electrolytes......

So it's not what plants crave.

Mike Judge should be a history teacher...

589 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:26:11pm

re: #580 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Walter, got a Lost question for you, but never seem to be able to catch you.

Shoot.

590 shiplord kirel  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:26:16pm

Sheesh.
Survivalists are becoming like the spaceflight enthusiasts and rocket boys of the 1930s and '40s, mocked as lunatics for decades only to be dramatically vindicated by real world events.

591 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:26:24pm

re: #585 Walter L. Newton

6 Sigma. There, I said it. What is it?

Oddly enough, an error!

592 jorline  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:26:39pm

re: #575 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The next person in my office who mentions 6 Sigma in my presence is going to get punched in the throat.

lmao...how did we function pre 6 Sigma?

Oh...I forgot, we had Stephen Covey.

593 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:26:40pm

KEGGER TONIGHT AT 6 SIGMA DELTA PHI! WOOO-HOOO! TOGA! TOGA!

594 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:27:12pm

re: #591 OldLineTexan

Oddly enough, an error!

That helped. NOT!

595 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:27:24pm

re: #581 Occasional Reader

AIG dying would be... seismic.

And killing the whole economy isn't?

596 Perplexed  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:27:28pm

re: #575 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The next person in my office who mentions 6 Sigma in my presence is going to get punched in the throat.

ISO certification?
KANBAN?
TOTAL Quality Management?
The Japanese?

597 Dave the.....  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:27:32pm

Chicago Blonde

SO he wasn't just a liar, he was a bad liar. He didn't think some kid was going to come from his past and call him on it?

At least he didn't say he spent a Christmas eve on the Cambodian border.

598 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:27:45pm

I the markets roll over again tomorrow . . .

/big bummer

599 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:27:55pm

re: #592 jorline

lmao...how did we function pre 6 Sigma?

Oh...I forgot, we had Stephen Covey.


The 7 habits of the Apocalypse?

600 BigAl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:28:04pm

Emperor Barack Nero Obama. This guy is so pissed off he doesn't care what or who he destroys. The sooner he burns it down the sooner we can rebuild, and we will, with him and his Roman Senate long gone.

America, ""You wanted violins and you got Nero."

601 see bs  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:28:22pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout


Wow... I just... wow...

Reminds me of the old Soviet joke..

A Russian peasant neighbor owns a cow, the peasant owns none. One day the peasant finds a bottle with a genie that will grant the peasant one wish. The genie asks "would you like a cow, like your neighbor?" No says the peasant, just kill my neighbors cow.

Sad that its fits todays times.

602 midwestgak  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:28:34pm

re: #595 Caton

And killing the whole economy isn't?

Wish I had said that. updinged you.

603 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:28:55pm

re: #595 Caton

And killing the whole economy isn't?

Did I say that?

604 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:28:57pm

re: #589 Walter L. Newton

Shoot.

In my office, the current theory for the promise Ben had to keep in LA before getting the flight was killing Widmore's daughter, Penny, since he realized Desmond was in town and she would be close by. Your opinion?

605 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:29:07pm

re: #560 USBeast

Jackasses are valuable too, but we should quit electing them to office.

One analogy at a time, please!

/

606 abaleh  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:29:14pm

re: #579 notutopia

I re-watched a B&W classic last evening, 1949, Rands,
The Fountainhead.... wonderful!
[Link: www.genordell.com...]

re: #579 notutopia

I re-watched a B&W classic last evening, 1949, Rands,
The Fountainhead.... wonderful!
[Link: www.genordell.com...]

Saw "The Misfits" for the first time Saturday; good film.

607 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:29:33pm

re: #581 Occasional Reader

AIG dying would be... seismic.

Why, exactly? More specifically, how would it be worse than pouring ever-increasing sums into it in what seems to be doomed attempt to prop it up?

608 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:29:59pm

re: #597 Dave the.....

Chicago Blonde

At least he didn't say he spent a Christmas eve on the Cambodian border.

...being shot at by drunken allies or Khmer Rouge while clinging to his good luck hat.

609 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:30:06pm

re: #495 CyanSnowHawk

From Wikipedia the 20 largest percentage daily drops in the DOW

Date, Points, Percent
1987-10-19, -508.00, -22.61
1929-10-28, -38.33, -12.82
1929-10-29, -30.57, -11.73
1929-11-06, -25.55, -9.92
1899-12-18, -5.57, -8.72
1932-08-12, -5.79, -8.40
1907-03-14, -6.89, -8.29
1987-10-26, -156.83, -8.04
2008-10-15, -733.08, -7.87
1933-07-21, -7.55, -7.84
1937-10-18, -10.57, -7.75
2008-12-01, -679.95, -7.70
2008-10-09, -678.91, -7.33
1917-02-01, -6.91, -7.24
1997-10-27, -554.26, -7.18
1932-10-05, -5.09, -7.15
2001-09-17, -684.81, -7.13
1931-09-24, -8.20, -7.07
1933-07-20, -7.32, -7.07
2008-09-29, -777.68, -6.98

1907 and a couple of others are from panics. 1987 (and 2001 for that matter) could be considered a panic like 1907. However, the rest of those not from 2008 are from the Great Depression, and the number from 2008 approaches those from 1929. Scary trend, IMHO.

610 Perplexed  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:30:19pm

re: #601 see bs

Wow... I just... wow...

Reminds me of the old Soviet joke..

A Russian peasant neighbor owns a cow, the peasant owns none. One day the peasant finds a bottle with a genie that will grant the peasant one wish. The genie asks "would you like a cow, like your neighbor?" No says the peasant, just kill my neighbors cow.

Sad that its fits todays times.

A joke that got a stand up comic sent to prison:

Why does the KGB send agents out in teams of three?
Ans: One can read. One can write. And the last keeps an eye on the two intellectuals.

611 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:30:21pm

6 Sigma is supposed to be process and business management streamlining. So far it has meant 3 hours of concalls a day where nothing gets done and we go over the same crap repeatedly.

612 Natasha  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:30:25pm

When productivity and independence become a crime, I will proudly bear the title of "criminal". A "crime" against socialist swinery is the highest of virtues.

613 bnichols10  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:30:28pm
614 midwestgak  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:30:35pm

re: #603 Occasional Reader

Did I say that?

Of course not. {Occasional}

615 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:30:46pm

re: #600 BigAl

Emperor Barack Nero Obama. This guy is so pissed off he doesn't care what or who he destroys. The sooner he burns it down the sooner we can rebuild, and we will, with him and his Roman Senate long gone.

America, ""You wanted violins and you got Nero."

WORD.
and A-men.

616 jorline  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:31:03pm

re: #599 DaddyG

The 7 habits of the Apocalypse?

Circle of influence/Circle of concern.

What apocalypse?

617 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:31:34pm

re: #601 see bs

Wow... I just... wow...

Reminds me of the old Soviet joke..

A Russian peasant neighbor owns a cow, the peasant owns none. One day the peasant finds a bottle with a genie that will grant the peasant one wish. The genie asks "would you like a cow, like your neighbor?" No says the peasant, just kill my neighbors cow.

Sad that its fits todays times.

Betsy Potter: Let's try some arithmetic. If you had six apples and your neighbor took three apples. What would you have?
Evil Roy Slade: A dead neighbor and all six apples.


Evil Roy Slade (1972)

618 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:31:37pm

re: #606 abaleh

Haven't seen it. Synopsis please.

619 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:31:47pm

re: #607 SixDegrees

Why, exactly?

Much of what's left of the connective tissue holding the financial system together would quickly unravel.

I don't know where "the line" is in terms of "how much is too much", but I actually could see the logic in the US government stepping in to prop up AIG, to prevent (worse) contagion.

620 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:31:58pm

re: #601 see bs

Wow... I just... wow...

Reminds me of the old Soviet joke..

American citizens enjoyed freedom, the communists and islamists had none. One day the commies and the islamists finds a bottle with a genie that will grant the commies and the islamists one wish. The genie asks "would you like freedom, like the Americans?" No says the commies and the islamists , just destroy the Americans freedom.

Sad that its fits todays times.

Revised for today

621 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:32:03pm

Seriously, how many sellers can possibly be left?

/it's a finite number

622 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:32:05pm

re: #599 DaddyG

The 7 habits of the Apocalypse?

/No need to go bashing nuns now.

623 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:32:12pm

re: #594 Walter L. Newton

That helped. NOT!

Six Sigma.

Often seen as Total Quality Management. Which is a process wherein management gets the workforce together to put themselves out of a job with ever-improving efficiencies.

It even has a song (usually sung out of the hearing of the bosses):

Dr. Deming saved Japan!
Total Quality!
We can do it, yes we can!
Total Quality!

624 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:32:21pm

re: #611 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

6 Sigma is supposed to be process and business management streamlining. So far it has meant 3 hours of concalls a day where nothing gets done and we go over the same crap repeatedly.

If you want a more effective process go with lean. If you want to make widgets within an incredibly tight tolerence go with sigma. If your 6 sigma green, yellow or black belt says 6 sigma is for streamlining head for the door.

625 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:32:25pm

re: #575 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The next person in my office who mentions 6 Sigma in my presence is going to get punched in the throat.

How do you feel about TQM?

626 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:32:37pm

re: #572 Occasional Reader

Gaston Glock is no slouch, either.


It is the ultimate point and click interface, but the 1911A1 fits my hand a lot better.

627 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:32:50pm

So, skills to be polished in 2009:

Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
Gardening

Anything else?

628 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:32:57pm

re: #598 Killian Bundy

I the markets roll over again tomorrow . . .

/big bummer

Me the markets roll over every day now.

;)

629 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:33:06pm

re: #608 Chicago Blonde

...being shot at by drunken allies or Khmer Rouge while clinging to his good luck hat.

Which Purple Heart was that, #2 or #3, I know how he got #1...:)

/S

630 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:33:06pm
631 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:33:14pm

re: #611 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

3 hours of concalls a day where nothing gets done and we go over the same crap repeatedly.

Today's concall for me; they sent a PowerPoint in the morning. Then the concall was about 10 minutes late getting started. Once started, they... read the PowerPoint, basically, for about a half hour. Not sure I say the point.

632 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:33:24pm

re: #621 Killian Bundy

Seriously, how many sellers can possibly be left?

/it's a finite number


George Soros will be buying in the morning

633 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:33:25pm
634 Ruebacca  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:33:32pm

re: #318 SixDegrees

So, I have a question. Today's market plunge was triggered by awful news from AIG, coupled with the government's announcement that they are trying yet another plan to prop the company up. The continuing plans followed by failures followed by yet another plan is, I think, more responsible for the market's downturn than AIG's losses themselves.

The argument for this continuing support goes something like, "AIG is so large and so tied in with so many other institutions that it's failure would have a catastrophic ripple effect."

What I wanna know is - what effect would that be, exactly? At what point do we stop shoving our hand and taxdollars up this corpse's backside, and decide that the costs of failure are outweighed by the costs of continued support? What, exactly, is it that is supposed to happen if AIG crashes and burns that is so horrible that we're throwing sums exceeding the GDP of most of the world's nations at it, while mortgaging our own nation's future in the bargain? At what point is failure an option?

I'd like to see a detailed projection of what would ensue following AIG's collapse, rather than simply being brushed off with non-excuses like "It would be bad." Right now, I'm thinking that failure can't possibly be any worse than the decidedly nebulous solution we're pursuing.

Can anyone paint a fact-based picture? Not a worst-case scenario - a likely scenario.

New York Banks have too many political connections to be allowed to fail. In the SNL crisis we seized the failing SNL's, payed the insured deposits and sold the assets to the highest bider. Keating got 5 senators in trouble, but New York banks own both houses of congress.

Last Fall the Clinton-Rubin click got the gulf Arabs to kick in 500 billion to "save" Citi bank. The gulf Arabs will lose this money if Citi continues to sink. Behind the sinces this is a top priority for Hillary and Obama to keep Citi alive or their Arab paymasters will lose big time. So more tax payer money will be thrown down this whole.

The Arabs built Clinton's library. Obama is on the same gravy train.

635 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:33:40pm

re: #603 Occasional Reader

Did I say that?

No, you didn't; OTOH the fear of normal market adjustment is what is driving this whole mess.

Pumping blood in a corpse is pretty useless. Sucking dry every living body around just to keep the corpse warm and rosy is wrong. So let AIG die.

636 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:33:49pm

re: #626 Fighton03

It is the ultimate point and click interface, but the 1911A1 fits my hand a lot better.

Same here. Can't hit the side of a barn with a Glock. Love the 1911a1.

637 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:33:54pm

re: #586 DaddyG

A bunch of standard deviants they are!

6 of them.....

638 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:02pm

Our current congress and senate must be flushed. In Every state - we must get involved to unseat the inept, corrupt, left-wing, anti-freedom establishment. (and the rinos) We must be ready for a double battle. We are up against the media and the cheat-to-win (D) ACORN machine.

639 Perplexed  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:24pm

re: #627 EmmmieG

So, skills to be polished in 2009:

Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
Gardening

Anything else?

Bartering
Turning in your family and friends for fun and profit.
Blackmarketing

640 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:26pm

re: #627 EmmmieG

So, skills to be polished in 2009:

Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
Gardening

Anything else?


Preserves, start bottling now, no guarantee of electricity.

641 Killian Bundy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:29pm

re: #628 OldLineTexan

Me the markets roll over every day now.

;)

/yeah, but now we've blown through support

642 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:31pm

re: #629 Dustyvet

Which Purple Heart was that, #2 or #3, I know how he got #1...:)

/S

Dunno, with Lurch I gave up trying to keep it straight!

643 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:42pm

re: #627 EmmmieG

So, skills to be polished in 2009:

Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
Gardening

Anything else?

CQB?

644 Golem Akbar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:44pm

re: #627 EmmmieG

So, skills to be polished in 2009:

Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
Gardening

Anything else?


Americans are a clever bunch. I'd say the black-market trading will cover just about everything.

645 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:47pm

re: #624 DaddyG

If you want a more effective process go with lean. If you want to make widgets within an incredibly tight tolerence go with sigma. If your 6 sigma green, yellow or black belt says 6 sigma is for streamlining head for the door.

Supposedly, this is lean 6 sigma. So far, its been a headache since the people organizing it dont have a clue about technical aspects of the job and have made wildly inaccurate assumptions before inviting us into the process and now expect us to fix their errors for them.

646 sandspur  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:51pm

re: #305 FrogMarch

CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.

If you equate sex to rape

647 see bs  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:35:03pm

OT : Just read on Fox

President Obama offered to consider scrapping plans for a missile defense shield in Europe if Russia helps rein in Iran's nuclear program, the Russian newspaper Kommersant reported.

Any truth to this, because it wouldn't suprise me the least. Thank you Obummer for selling out our allies to "appease" Russia.

Reign in Iran...right... Russia selling them arms...Why would Russia want to do that?

648 wltzacrsstxs  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:35:21pm

122 mfarmer

Argh! As bad as the Kos Kids. There is no "financial gimmick" involved in this picture. The Dow is a measure of the value of a group of industrial stocks. Dow down = share price down. Share prices are down because people believe the value of the company has declined.

Most "investors" in the S&P 500, or for that matter most stocks traded on the NYSE, are mutual funds and pension funds. The largest shareholders in ExxonMobil are not people, or executives; they are mutual funds like the Vanguard Index 500 fund.

If you have a pension or a single share in a single mutual fund (either in a 401k, an IRA, or just an investment), you own a piece of the S&P 500.

The big problem here is hoarding and panic. When Joe Citizen freaks out and sells all the stock in his 401k because he wants to hold cash, the mutual fund manager has to sell some of the stock he's holding so that he can give Joe some cash. Mutual fund manager HAS NO CHOICE. He has to sell whatever he can, for whatever price he can get, to pay out the person who wants out. This is why there are back loads on so many funds; it keeps people from selling unless they are super serious because they get charged for it.

Panic and wanting to stuff cash, any cash, under the mattress is what's causing the Dow to plummet. If Obambi would shut his pie hole (and if Bush/Paulson had never opened theirs), perhaps the entire globe would not be panicking and perceiving their investments as being worthless.

Throw in mark-to-market accounting and it's a vicious downward spiral. The only thing that's going to stop it is a good old fashioned "Morning in America" speech from somebody people trust.

The sniveling KosKiddie strikes me as somebody with zero ambition. If he'd obtain a useful skill and get out there and hustle, he would have been doing fine. I recommend plumbing; a good plumber always works and even if you make a mistake, you just get really dirty. Careless electricians get fried.

649 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:35:33pm

re: #627 EmmmieG

No joke? I'd think about rainbarrels for water, for the plants if nothing else.

650 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:35:37pm

re: #631 Occasional Reader

Today's concall for me; they sent a PowerPoint in the morning. Then the concall was about 10 minutes late getting started. Once started, they... read the PowerPoint, basically, for about a half hour. Not sure I say the point.

I would say we were on the same call, but mine went for 90 minutes. That was just the afternoon call.

651 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:35:58pm

re: #604 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In my office, the current theory for the promise Ben had to keep in LA before getting the flight was killing Widmore's daughter, Penny, since he realized Desmond was in town and she would be close by. Your opinion?

That's the most obvious. They are in town, they live on a boat, Ben was making that phone call from a marina.

But, in my mind that is too straight forward, the writers are more clever than that.

But the problem is, there was not enough info in the scene to really compose any other theories.

EVERYONE hates been, but I have been saying all along, he is a good guy. But, we'll see...

And if you are interested, here is my post this week on last weeks episode...

Doggone it. People like me!

[Link: www.docarzt.com...]

652 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:35:59pm

re: #627 EmmmieG

So, skills to be polished in 2009:

Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
Gardening

Anything else?


Firearms handling: handgun, small and large bore rifle, shotgun
Brass ammo and Reloading skills

653 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:36:27pm

re: #636 Creeping Eruption

Same here. Can't hit the side of a barn with a Glock. Love the 1911a1.

We may have just started the first "which is better, M1911 or Glock?" thread in history!

////

654 Natasha  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:36:29pm

re: #627 EmmmieG

So, skills to be polished in 2009:

Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
Gardening

Anything else?

Shooting, intimidation, interrogation, crazy driving... A scary accent is a plus. Also, horrible taste in jewelry and clothes.
/a little dark humor from a former USSR denizen/

655 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:36:42pm

re: #633 ploome hineni

my electrician, who voted for Nobama, blames everyone in government
says the Dems are not to blame

there is enough blame to go around

There's an electrician that's not too bright. Maybe his wires are crossed. I'll blow a fuse if I think about him again.

656 Boxy_brown  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:37:11pm

Is it still a good thing we didn't elect the RINO...

657 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:37:14pm

re: #619 Occasional Reader

Much of what's left of the connective tissue holding the financial system together would quickly unravel.

I don't know where "the line" is in terms of "how much is too much", but I actually could see the logic in the US government stepping in to prop up AIG, to prevent (worse) contagion.

I'm not understanding why this would happen. Let's say AIG held a conference call tomorrow morning and announced they were throwing in the towel, submitting to Chapter 7 and ceasing all activity immediately. Can you sketch out what would happen? What about the more likely scenario involving a slower, more orderly shutdown?

658 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:37:40pm

re: #656 Boxy_brown

Is it still a good thing we didn't elect the RINO...

I'd rather the RINO than this bull in the proverbial china shop.

659 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:37:51pm

re: #655 OldLineTexan

There's an electrician that's not too bright. Maybe his wires are crossed. I'll blow a fuse if I think about him again.

Sounds like he's not well grounded in the basics.

660 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:10pm

re: #633 ploome hineni

my electrician, who voted for Nobama, blames everyone in government
says the Dems are not to blame

there is enough blame to go around

Your electrician has some bad faith.

661 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:10pm

re: #623 OldLineTexan

Six Sigma.

Often seen as Total Quality Management. Which is a process wherein management gets the workforce together to put themselves out of a job with ever-improving efficiencies.

It even has a song (usually sung out of the hearing of the bosses):

Dr. Deming saved Japan!
Total Quality!
We can do it, yes we can!
Total Quality!

I see. Hmmmm, I usually walk out of meeting like that. I come from the old school of management.

"You are Scrooge, you are my boss, you tell me what to do, I do it, and do it well, you give me a paycheck, I go home"

Easy.

662 midwestgak  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:11pm

re: #644 Golem Akbar

Americans are a clever bunch. I'd say the black-market trading will cover just about everything.

You assume there will be something left to trade.

663 UFO TOFU  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:15pm

re: #617 Dustyvet

Evil Roy Slade (1972)


Loved that movie.

"Call the blacksmith!"
"Smith!"
Smith "I know, I know."
664 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:25pm

re: #623 OldLineTexan

Six Sigma.

Often seen as Total Quality Management. Which is a process wherein management gets the workforce together to put themselves out of a job with ever-improving efficiencies.

It even has a song (usually sung out of the hearing of the bosses):

Dr. Deming saved Japan!
Total Quality!
We can do it, yes we can!
Total Quality!

(quietly, from the corner, sheepishly raises hand). That's my new job now. TQM, process/system improvement, customer satisfaction.

665 Occasional Reader  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:35pm

Gotta finish some "work". Later...

666 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:42pm

re: #640 A Kiwi Infidel

Preserves, start bottling now, no guarantee of electricity.

Without coal plants, we are guaranteed to not have electricity.
Coal supplies over half the electricity in the US, and we just don't have enough unicorns yet to replace it.

667 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:44pm

Binary code folks?

01100101 01101110 01110100 01101001 01110100 01101100 01100101 01100100 00100000 01110011 01110000 01100101 01100011 01101001 01100001 01101100 00100000 01110011 01101110 01101111 01110111 01100110 01101100 01100001 01101011 01100101

668 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:46pm

re: #630 buzzsawmonkey

I enjoy Rand's use of symbolic names in the book:

Guy Francon: A "guy" is a fool, or figure of fun. A franc, of course, is money; the "-on" suffix is usually a magnifier. Guy Francon is a fool for big money.

Dominique Francon: She is, of course, not dominated by money, i.e., not ruled by it--though she first appears to be, as a spoiled rich girl. Hence her interestingly ambiguous first name.

Gail Wynand: "Gail" = gale, i.e., wind. He tries to pander to the mob, and is destroyed by what he has created. In other words, he sows the wind and reaps the whirlwind.

Ellsworth Toohey: The old line was, "give him an inch, and he'll take an ell," an "ell" being an antique name for a yard. Ellsworth Toohey, the proponent of PC and Gramscianism, is always on the lookout to take advantage, then take a little more; he'll take an ell's worth, then another too.

Peter Keating: He's the talent who peters out. He's also a bit of a louse; Keating's Powder was a preparation commonly used at the time the book was written to get rid of insect infestation.

My word Buzzsawmonkey, I just received a whole different dimension on the enjoyment of the movie!
Thanks.

669 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:59pm

re: #651 Walter L. Newton

That's the most obvious. They are in town, they live on a boat, Ben was making that phone call from a marina.

But, in my mind that is too straight forward, the writers are more clever than that.

But the problem is, there was not enough info in the scene to really compose any other theories.

EVERYONE hates been, but I have been saying all along, he is a good guy. But, we'll see...

And if you are interested, here is my post this week on last weeks episode...

Doggone it. People like me!

[Link: www.docarzt.com...]

I dont think the travel times really work with a boat though. I thought they showed the boat in England, then Desmond supposedly went straight to LA and was there a day or 2 later, so its obvious they couldn't have sailed straight there. I think Ben calling from the Marina was a red herring to throw us off.

670 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:39:00pm

re: #645 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Supposedly, this is lean 6 sigma. So far, its been a headache since the people organizing it dont have a clue about technical aspects of the job and have made wildly inaccurate assumptions before inviting us into the process and now expect us to fix their errors for them.


Lean 6 Sigma is not Lean. I'm not surprised you are suffering through that. A real Lean project uses the people who own the process to identify ways to improve it, not a cult of outside consultants with colored belts. (Sorry for the vitriol but I've seen to many people use the words quality and efficiency that couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag if you cut them a door.)

671 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:39:44pm

re: #633 ploome hineni

my electrician, who voted for Nobama, blames everyone in government
says the Dems are not to blame

I suggest you stock up on candles.

672 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:39:49pm

re: #661 Walter L. Newton

I see. Hmmmm, I usually walk out of meeting like that. I come from the old school of management.

"You are Scrooge, you are my boss, you tell me what to do, I do it, and do it well, you give me a paycheck, I go home"

Easy.

Imagine Scrooge has a boss six levels up that INSISTS that the workplace will have a TQM process.

The plumber's rule still applies.

673 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:39:57pm

re: #627 EmmmieG

So, skills to be polished in 2009:

Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
Gardening

Anything else?

Moonshining.

674 summergurl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:40:12pm

re: #656 Boxy_brown

Is it still a good thing we didn't elect the RINO...


I don't believe that McCain would have said "no earmarks " and then sign bills chockful of them.

675 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:40:27pm

re: #656 Boxy_brown

Is it still a good thing we didn't elect the RINO...

Of course, that way we get to preserve our True ConservativeTM party values.

/wait, what?

676 WoodstockDave  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:40:38pm

re: #631 Occasional Reader

I like the really huge conference calls we have occasionally...though they ask everyone to put themselves on mute, there's always one guy who forgets. He can usually be heard wondering out loud to (he thinks) himself (and this is a direct quote)..."how much f***ing longer can this piece of sh*t go on?"

677 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:40:51pm

re: #664 Russkilitlover

(quietly, from the corner, sheepishly raises hand). That's my new job now. TQM, process/system improvement, customer satisfaction.

SONOFABITCH!
///

678 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:41:13pm

re: #664 Russkilitlover

(quietly, from the corner, sheepishly raises hand). That's my new job now. TQM, process/system improvement, customer satisfaction.

You are so screwed in some ways, but I see job stability in your future.

679 Natasha  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:41:31pm

re: #673 Alouette

Moonshining.

Rats! I forgot that one! Brewing beer is good too, and is better for you. (I hate moonshine, as well as it's repulsive Russian cousin "samogon")

680 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:41:31pm

re: #559 dave bean

Socialism at it's best. Obama has no idea...NO IDEA...on how to run a capitalist system.

Dave

But he sure knows how to run one into the ground.

681 summergurl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:41:47pm

re: #662 midwestgak

You assume there will be something left to trade.


Time to plant a vegetable garden so you can barter with turnips and radishes

682 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:42:29pm

re: #681 summergurl

Time to plant a vegetable garden so you can barter with turnips and radishes

Who are you trading with? Fraggles?

683 Boxy_brown  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:42:39pm

re: #675 Slumbering Behemoth

Of course, that way we get to preserve our True ConservativeTM party values.

Thank you, I was beginning to think we shot ourselves in the foot.

684 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:43:02pm

re: #653 Occasional Reader

We may have just started the first "which is better, M1911 or Glock?" thread in history!

////

As long as I get the credit :)

685 Natasha  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:43:04pm

re: #681 summergurl

Time to plant a vegetable garden so you can barter with turnips and radishes


Turnips make great projectiles. If smaller caliber is needed, radishes will do splendidly, too!

686 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:43:19pm

re: #663 UFO TOFU

Betsy Potter: I love you, Roy.
Evil Roy Slade: Nobody's ever said that to me before.
Aggie Potter: Move, buzzard breath!
Evil Roy Slade: THAT'S been said to me before.

687 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:43:45pm

re: #664 Russkilitlover

(quietly, from the corner, sheepishly raises hand). That's my new job now. TQM, process/system improvement, customer satisfaction.

If you want to use lean tools use this - (good for service industry or government services) [Link: www.lean.org...]

688 rawmuse  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:43:48pm

re: #653 Occasional Reader

Get one of each. While ye may.

689 USBeast  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:43:59pm

re: #627 EmmmieG

So, skills to be polished in 2009:

Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
Gardening

Anything else?

"There's an old man with a tote sack
Walking up and down a country road.
Picking up the empty beer cans
And he sings this song as he adds to his load.
Throw your beer cans out the window.
Throw your empty beer cans out the door.
Throw your beer cans out the window.
Throw out your empty beer cans for the poor."

690 summergurl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:44:00pm

re: #682 OldLineTexan

Who are you trading with? Fraggles?


With the guy who has eggs.

691 Russkilitlover  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:44:07pm

re: #677 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SONOFABITCH!
///

Does it help if the last company I implemented customer oriented process improvements increased quality of finished goods from 67% in 2004 to 97% in 2007; and customer satisfaction stuck on 87% for three years to 96%.

692 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:44:13pm

re: #678 OldLineTexan

I just remembered a meeting a few years back where I used to work, where the manager told us how things were going to be scaled back, etc. Instead of just nodding that they understood, several people cheerfully said they were just lucky to have jobs.

/And yeah we were, but isn't saying that to a boss like rolling over and exposing your belly?

693 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:44:34pm

re: #669 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I dont think the travel times really work with a boat though. I thought they showed the boat in England, then Desmond supposedly went straight to LA and was there a day or 2 later, so its obvious they couldn't have sailed straight there. I think Ben calling from the Marina was a red herring to throw us off.

That's why I say, not enough info right now. But, I will disagree, there is not much red herrings in this show, the producers have promised to not do that.

There are some minor plot threads that have been abandoned. There will be a good reason, with in the mythos of the show, for Ben to have been calling, bloodied, from a marina, it's not a red herring, but it is sneaky on the writers part.

There are 8 writers on this show, they started with 14 principle actors, have maintained at least 10 principle actors throughout the show, they are into their 5th years, and they are skipping around in time now, and not falling back on any of the standard "time travel paradoxes" used in less well written stories.

The writers must have a headache.

694 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:44:34pm

re: #666 Kosh's Shadow

Without coal plants, we are guaranteed to not have electricity.
Coal supplies over half the electricity in the US, and we just don't have enough unicorns yet to replace it.

But Unicorns burn longer and hotter than coal, so what's the problem?

695 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:44:48pm

re: #690 summergurl

With the guy who has eggs.

What do eggs from radish-fed hens taste like?

How about Japanese horseradish? Would they self-cook?

696 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:44:51pm

re: #640 A Kiwi Infidel

better hit the gym and get that conditioning up, standing in bread lines for hours can be tiring..........

697 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:45:07pm

re: #672 OldLineTexan

Imagine Scrooge has a boss six levels up that INSISTS that the workplace will have a TQM process.

The plumber's rule still applies.

What ever that is?

698 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:45:08pm

re: #683 Boxy_brown

Thank you, I was beginning to think we shot ourselves in the foot.

Silver lining? At least now we can't afford the ammo to shoot ourselves in the foot.

/I'm gonna start selling cordite offsets, who's with me?

699 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:45:16pm

About 15 years ago, I worked for a formerly larger computer company that went through this 6 Sigma stuff.
It made sense for manufacturing, which is where it came from.
But it got applied to everything. Some 6 Sigma consultants made out big.

We had meetings where a quality manager said "If something isn't ready to ship, let me know and I'll stop it". He was gone before we shipped one particular project that should have waited 2 weeks but had to be out by the end of the quarter.

I could go on, but I'll save everyone the trouble.

700 Boxy_brown  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:45:24pm

re: #684 Creeping Eruption

We may have just started the first "which is better, M1911 or Glock?" thread in history!

Even in a world gone mad, the 1911 would still have to win hands down.

701 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:45:44pm

I'm lucky enough to be near a lot of you-pick fruit. I believe in child labor, at least if the child is my own, and so we are already doing that.

I can't see bargaining with zucchinis. That would be more of a threat, not an incentive. "Give me some of those strawberries from your garden, or you'll find a basket of zucchini on your doorstep!"

702 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:45:47pm

re: #667 MandyManners

Binary code folks?

01100101 01101110 01110100 01101001 01110100 01101100 01100101 01100100 00100000 01110011 01110000 01100101 01100011 01101001 01100001 01101100 00100000 01110011 01101110 01101111 01110111 01100110 01101100 01100001 01101011 01100101

First row.
Bin... Decimal... Hex
1100101 101 65
1101110 110 6E
1110100 116 74
1101001 105 69
1110100 116 74
1101100 108 6C
1100101 101 65

703 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:45:50pm
The Dow closed down by ~300 points, bottoming at 6762, the lowest level since 1997

(Fade-in to the Oval Office - Obama and his economic advisors)
Obama: "Hey, guys, where's all that wealth I was going to redistribute?"

704 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:46:05pm
705 summergurl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:46:10pm

re: #695 OldLineTexan

What do eggs from radish-fed hens taste like?

How about Japanese horseradish? Would they self-cook?

Naw, he'd trade my radishes with the guy who has corn so he could feed his hens..//

706 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:46:20pm

re: #692 Chicago Blonde

I just remembered a meeting a few years back where I used to work, where the manager told us how things were going to be scaled back, etc. Instead of just nodding that they understood, several people cheerfully said they were just lucky to have jobs.

/And yeah we were, but isn't saying that to a boss like rolling over and exposing your belly?

What sort of boss do you have?

707 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:46:36pm

re: #697 Walter L. Newton

What ever that is?

The Plumber's Rule

1. Shit flows downhill.
2. Payday is Friday. *

Explains how your job works, and why you're still there.

*YMMV

708 Natasha  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:46:49pm

Plumbers rule?
"Crack kills"?
/sorry... this sad state of affairs is making me insane

709 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:08pm

Speaking of breadlines...

710 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:15pm

re: #700 Boxy_brown

Even in a world gone mad, the 1911 would still have to win hands down.

For shot accuracy yes. For magazine capacity no.
So, If you're an ace shooter, go with the Colt.
If not, go with the polymer.

711 brookly red  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:17pm

re: #670 DaddyG
tell me more...

712 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:17pm

re: #702 jcm

First row.
Bin... Decimal... Hex
1100101 101 65
1101110 110 6E
1110100 116 74
1101001 105 69
1110100 116 74
1101100 108 6C
1100101 101 65

Can we have that in Reverse Polish Notation, please?

713 summergurl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:19pm

re: #701 EmmmieG

I'm lucky enough to be near a lot of you-pick fruit. I believe in child labor, at least if the child is my own, and so we are already doing that.

I can't see bargaining with zucchinis. That would be more of a threat, not an incentive. "Give me some of those strawberries from your garden, or you'll find a basket of zucchini on your doorstep!"


One can only bake so much zucchini bread...

714 Boxy_brown  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:23pm

re: #698 Slumbering Behemoth

Silver lining? At least now we can't afford the ammo to shoot ourselves in the foot.

You haven't seen my IRA statements. I am going to have to save my brass and reload.

Being able to say "I told you so" is little comfort for having to work until I am carted off in a pine box.

715 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:28pm

re: #701 EmmmieG

I'm lucky enough to be near a lot of you-pick fruit. I believe in child labor, at least if the child is my own, and so we are already doing that.

I can't see bargaining with zucchinis. That would be more of a threat, not an incentive. "Give me some of those strawberries from your garden, or you'll find a basket of zucchini on your doorstep!"

I have been in this thread before ...

;)

716 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:28pm

Consultant is a dirty word. And I've been one. The employees generally know what is going on, give them the information and tools and let them get busy fixing the busted system.

717 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:41pm

re: #702 jcm

First row.
Bin... Decimal... Hex
1100101 101 65
1101110 110 6E
1110100 116 74
1101001 105 69
1110100 116 74
1101100 108 6C
1100101 101 65

Ok..the first person to compile this into assembly..just don't do it!

718 screaming_eagle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:44pm

re: #685 Natasha

Turnips make great projectiles. If smaller caliber is needed, radishes will do splendidly, too!

Potatoe guns are still the best.

719 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:45pm

re: #656 Boxy_brown

Is it still a good thing we didn't elect the RINO...

yes and no.
The angry democrat left were about to burst if they didn't
get their way. If McCain won all hell would have broke loose on the left.

We now have to live with the consequences of an election where the media and the cult of hollywood had so much influence over the choice, that we are left with their decision. A decision based on a man without the proper leadership experience to run a nation properly. Obama is a fantasy - a rhetorically flourished teleprompter reader who gives CNN a collective orgasm.

I'll take the Rino - but the angry left would have lost it. Maybe we have to live with this left-wing mad man in order to get back to principle.

-or - I have no idea.

720 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:51pm

re: #707 OldLineTexan

The Plumber's Rule

1. Shit flows downhill.
2. Payday is Friday. *

Explains how your job works, and why you're still there.

*YMMV

Ok, now, what is YMMV? Geeeessshhh. why can't I just understand a whole comment of yours. I feel like we are talking different languages?

721 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:58pm

re: #705 summergurl

Naw, he'd trade my radishes with the guy who has corn so he could feed his hens..//

Man, I wanted some hot eggs.

/

722 Caton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:58pm

re: #704 ploome hineni

how have you been?

up and down... you?

723 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:48:01pm

re: #707 OldLineTexan

The Plumber's Rule

1. Shit flows downhill.
2. Payday is Friday. *

Explains how your job works, and why you're still there.

*YMMV

3. Don't bite your nails

724 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:48:22pm

re: #706 debutaunt

What sort of boss do you have?

The wrong sort, which is why I'm there no longer. I can see some bosses being receptive to that but he was NOT and the sheep knew it.

725 abaleh  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:48:23pm

re: #618 notutopia

Haven't seen it. Synopsis please.

Roslyn is a very beautiful woman who just got divorced. She meets two friends, Guido and Gay, who take her to Guido's house in the country to relax and forget the difficulties of the past few weeks. Everything is fine at first, but soon the two men fall in love with Roslyn and start showing some bad aspects of their characters. Soon they meet another friend of Gay's, and the four of them go to hunt some wild horses. This is when things just... explode!

726 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:48:29pm

re: #701 EmmmieG

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !

727 pegcity  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:48:33pm

godamn i picked the best time to get into investments.

My CSC and CPH are useless now.

Well at least i can use my insurance license for something other than toilet paper.

728 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:48:39pm

re: #720 Walter L. Newton

Ok, now, what is YMMV? Geeeessshhh. why can't I just understand a whole comment of yours. I feel like we are talking different languages?

Your
Mileage
May
Vary

/sorry, Walter. If it makes you feel better, LOST makes me somewhat dizzy ;)

729 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:48:49pm

re: #708 Natasha

Plumbers rule?
"Crack kills"?
/sorry... this sad state of affairs is making me insane

You need the Long Tail-T - the solution to plumbers butt.

730 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:48:55pm
731 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:49:17pm

re: #723 soxfan4life

HA!

732 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:49:32pm

re: #707 OldLineTexan

The Plumber's Rule

1. Shit flows downhill.
2. Payday is Friday. *

Explains how your job works, and why you're still there.

*YMMV

A flush beats a full house?

733 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:49:36pm

re: #718 screaming_eagle

Potatoe guns are still the best.

Is this an A-Team thread?

734 Boxy_brown  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:49:39pm

re: #710 notutopia


For shot accuracy yes. For magazine capacity no.
So, If you're an ace shooter, go with the Colt.
If not, go with the polymer.

Ill take the stopping power of .45acp versus 9mm but no, not an ace shooter anymore. That's why I got the 12 gauge. :-)

735 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:50:19pm

re: #712 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Can we have that in Reverse Polish Notation, please?

1100101 101 65 ENTER
1101110 110 6E ENTER
1110100 116 74 ENTER
1101001 105 69 ENTER
1110100 116 74 ENTER
1101100 108 6C ENTER
1100101 101 65 ENTER
EXEC

736 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:50:25pm

re: #670 DaddyG

Lean 6 Sigma is not Lean. I'm not surprised you are suffering through that. A real Lean project uses the people who own the process to identify ways to improve it, not a cult of outside consultants with colored belts. (Sorry for the vitriol but I've seen to many people use the words quality and efficiency that couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag if you cut them a door.)

Projects need clear communication and responsibility....middle managers need buzz words so they can avoid saying anything that they might get stuck with.....see the problems here?

I've had to sit through way too many of those kind of meetings too, and you don't need managers and high paid consultants, you need a few dedicated and motivated people who do the job day in and day out.

737 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:50:27pm

re: #718 screaming_eagle

Potatoe guns are still the best.

Dan?

738 Kragar  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:50:32pm

re: #716 DaddyG

Consultant is a dirty word. And I've been one. The employees generally know what is going on, give them the information and tools and let them get busy fixing the busted system.

So far, our biggest obstacle has been taking time out to work with consultants so they can ask us why we are falling behind in our scheduled work load. That and management/customers who ask for things and then dont want to hear the solutions

739 wordsworth  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:50:41pm

The only speculation we should be doing is figuring out the timing for when Warren Buffet, and George Soros will jointly manipulate the market to create Obama's faux rebound he needs for his budget to have any sense of logic.

740 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:50:48pm

re: #710 notutopia

For shot accuracy yes. For magazine capacity no.
So, If you're an ace shooter, go with the Colt.
If not, go with the polymer.

/ better to miss 17 times rather than just 8?

741 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:51:21pm

re: #735 jcm

1100101 101 65 ENTER
1101110 110 6E ENTER
1110100 116 74 ENTER
1101001 105 69 ENTER
1110100 116 74 ENTER
1101100 108 6C ENTER
1100101 101 65 ENTER
EXEC

*smacks forehead*
NOW I understand what you were saying!

742 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:51:21pm

re: #553 Golem Akbar

I think we're saying the same thing. Yes, we are not Russia. It -- Obama's socialism -- won't last long because it is so contrary to American tradition. Just like prohibition (good analogy), it produced an underground/black market economy, and once it ended, that economy emerged into legitimacy. But there was, and still is, a criminal class that was created as a result.

Just got here and am reading the thread. Golem, just to add to your statement a bit. I think the zero is truly trying to convert the American middle class into criminals through income starvation, regulation, and taxation. If he succeeds, then he can then feel "justified" to rendor harsh recrimminations against a vast number of Americans. Enter the zero's home security force.

743 screaming_eagle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:51:22pm

re: #733 Creeping Eruption

Is this an A-Team thread?

No. Macguvyer(sp?)

744 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:51:26pm

re: #398 Caton

I wonder how long that will last?

re: #641 Killian Bundy

/yeah, but now we've blown through support

There's one at 6350 or there abouts, not a real strong one - one test. Next one down is another 1k down.

745 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:51:33pm

re: #724 Chicago Blonde

The wrong sort, which is why I'm there no longer. I can see some bosses being receptive to that but he was NOT and the sheep knew it.

Good for you!

746 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:51:46pm

re: #713 summergurl

One can only bake so much zucchini bread...

This is one of my favs for excess zucchini. Which we always seem to have.
This site also has the jelly version too.
[Link: www.cdkitchen.com...]

747 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:51:49pm

re: #743 screaming_eagle

No. Macguvyer(sp?)

:) same era.

748 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:51:54pm

re: #711 brookly red

tell me more...


:-) You flatter me. Bottom line is if you are selling Big Macs people want them fast, cheap and out the door with minimal fuss. Don't spend time lining up the beef patties within a statistically measurable tolerance.

My buddy watched Home Depot tear itself apart while the GE gurus took over. They were competative because the retired plumber in Aisle 6 took the time to show you how to use the widget - not because they had an army of quality engineers (who are a good resource in the correct situations).

749 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:52:14pm

Now is the time to panic.

/

750 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:52:30pm

re: #710 notutopia

Yes, but you had better hold that ACP with both hands.

751 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:52:45pm

re: #714 Boxy_brown

I have found that more often than not, it sucks to be right about some things.

752 wltzacrsstxs  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:52:55pm

719 Frogmarch

It would have done my heart good to see the left go insane. For once, they would have gotten off their asses and done something instead of whining and sniveling about how me and my money should do something for them.

And - can't help myself here - they could have provided us with a target-rich environment (or a convenient excuse for doing some house cleaning). In Texas, you just need to remember to drag them back inside the house.

753 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:52:55pm

re: #739 wordsworth

The only speculation we should be doing is figuring out the timing for when Warren Buffet, and George Soros will jointly manipulate the market to create Obama's faux rebound he needs for his budget to have any sense of logic.

He blew all of his credibility supporting the One for President.

754 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:52:56pm

I know women say they can multi task but......

Driving.....

Talking on cell.....

and

Breastfeeding? ? ? ?

755 Boxy_brown  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:53:04pm

re: #719 FrogMarch


Is it still a good thing we didn't elect the RINO...

yes and no.
The angry democrat left were about to burst if they didn't
get their way. If McCain won all hell would have broke loose on the left.


All the more reason to elect 'ol Mac.

Maybe we have to live with this left-wing mad man in order to get back to principle.


I hope there is something leftover once they are done. This is pretty much a full-on catastrophe.

756 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:53:12pm

re: #734 Boxy_brown

It's kinda hard to conceal that 12 gauge, even down a pants leg!

757 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:53:12pm

re: #653 Occasional Reader

We may have just started the first "which is better, M1911 or Glock?" thread in history!

////

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry...I didn't mean to do it.......lol!

758 Ruebacca  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:53:21pm

re: #609 Honorary Yooper

1907 and a couple of others are from panics. 1987 (and 2001 for that matter) could be considered a panic like 1907. However, the rest of those not from 2008 are from the Great Depression, and the number from 2008 approaches those from 1929. Scary trend, IMHO.

4 of the have happened since obama was nominated.

759 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:53:29pm

Or in short - be careful giving a consultant a hammer. Suddenly everything looks like a nail.

760 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:53:49pm

re: #745 debutaunt

Thanks. We'll see. Unless it's that rare one who will view it as a loyalty thing and treat you well, I think saying that to a boss is kind of like putting on a "kick me" sign.

761 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:53:57pm

re: #756 notutopia

It's kinda hard to conceal that 12 gauge, even down a pants leg!

and we certainly wouldn't want to encourage anyone doing anything illegal now would we :)

762 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:53:59pm

It's supposed to spell out "entititled special snowflake".

763 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:54:13pm

re: #752 wltzacrsstxs

719 Frogmarch

It would have done my heart good to see the left go insane. For once, they would have gotten off their asses and done something instead of whining and sniveling about how me and my money should do something for them.

And - can't help myself here - they could have provided us with a target-rich environment (or a convenient excuse for doing some house cleaning). In Texas, you just need to remember to drag them back inside the house.


I thought in Texas they only had to be on your property uninvited.

764 brookly red  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:54:13pm

re: #748 DaddyG

re: #748 DaddyG


so sigma6, yes or no?

765 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:54:18pm

Okay, this is kinda weird. I'm watching Bloomberg Business. The last guest was the Central Bank Governor of Lebanon (who the hell would invest/ do business there?) and now they just did a segment on pawnshops. I'm not kidding........

766 Boxy_brown  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:54:44pm

re: #756 notutopia

It's kinda hard to conceal that 12 gauge, even down a pants leg!

Just happy to see you.

767 SFGoth  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:54:49pm

Will the House get antsy? Elections next year.

768 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:54:55pm

re: #755 Boxy_brown

I hope there is something leftover once they are done. This is pretty much a full-on catastrophe.

you said it. We are all going to be on our knees cleaning Obama's grout with a small tooth brush.

769 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:54:57pm

re: #754 jcm

Airhead!

Gotta get back to the bench ... bbl

770 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:55:28pm

re: #754 jcm

Oh yeah, Mr. Blonde found that little gem and is still wiping his brains off the keyboard from when his head exploded. And she may do it again, too!

*sigh*

771 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:55:29pm

re: #742 Soona'

Just got here and am reading the thread. Golem, just to add to your statement a bit. I think the zero is truly trying to convert the American middle class into criminals through income starvation, regulation, and taxation. If he succeeds, then he can then feel "justified" to rendor harsh recrimminations against a vast number of Americans. Enter the zero's home security force.

Competent people who don't accept unearned guilt are a big problem.

772 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:55:32pm

re: #750 Ojoe

Yes, but you had better hold that ACP with both hands.

Nah...just start with the target on the right and let the recoil twist carry you over to the next one

773 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:55:57pm

re: #739 wordsworth

The only speculation we should be doing is figuring out the timing for when Warren Buffet, and George Soros will jointly manipulate the market to create Obama's faux rebound he needs for his budget to have any sense of logic.

September 18, 2008. I still want some answers.

774 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:56:02pm

re: #750 Ojoe

Yes, but you had better hold that ACP with both hands.

I do, normally! But, I can shoot it fairly accurately with one hand. I'm still having shot placement difficulty shooting with my nondominate hand.

775 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:56:23pm

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself...a corrupt and incompetent administration that seeks to bankrupt our nation."

776 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:57:16pm

re: #766 Boxy_brown

Just happy to see you.

Lol!

777 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:57:54pm

re: #754 jcm

I know women say they can multi task but......

Driving.....

Talking on cell.....

and

Breastfeeding? ? ? ?

That's as good as the guy I saw driving in China while lighting a bong.

778 screaming_eagle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:57:57pm

re: #765 chicagodudewhotrades

Okay, this is kinda weird. I'm watching Bloomberg Business. The last guest was the Central Bank Governor of Lebanon (who the hell would invest/ do business there?) and now they just did a segment on pawnshops. I'm not kidding........

When the Central Bank of Lebanon is a safe investment and you need to goto the pawnshop for money, things are bad. That could only happen if we elected a socialist president. Why do I have a shiver running up my leg?

779 USBeast  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:58:29pm

re: #766 Boxy_brown

Just happy to see you.

Nobody's that happy.

780 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:59:31pm

re: #763 soxfan4life

I thought in Texas they only had to be on your property uninvited.

No. And any homeowner shooting gets a LOT of attention.

Not good.

781 USBeast  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:59:35pm

re: #777 OldLineTexan

That's as good as the guy I saw driving in China while lighting a bong.

You were lighting a bong in China?
/

782 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:59:47pm

re: #752 wltzacrsstxs

719 Frogmarch

It would have done my heart good to see the left go insane. For once, they would have gotten off their asses and done something instead of whining and sniveling about how me and my money should do something for them.

And - can't help myself here - they could have provided us with a target-rich environment (or a convenient excuse for doing some house cleaning). In Texas, you just need to remember to drag them back inside the house.

I have to say, after 8 years of fever-pitched hatred and insanity - I'm not sure I agree. Please don't get me wrong - I don't want to placate the F-ing left. and Obama is a bigger disaster than I ever thought possible, But sometimes politics is like a pendulum - and you just have to let it swing.

783 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:59:54pm

re: #777 OldLineTexan

That's as good as the guy I saw driving in China while lighting a bong.

My favorite was I-5 southbound between Seattle and Tacoma during rush hour... sheet music draped over the steering wheel..... playing a trumpet.

784 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:00:17pm

re: #773 FrogMarch

September 18, 2008. I still want some answers.

Thank you for that link. I've been giving friends links on Cloward-Piven like Pez candy too.

785 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:00:22pm

re: #754 jcm

My mother breastfed while driving....28 years ago. It wasn't that big of a deal back then. Then about twenty years ago, I met a family that had had a toddler go through a windshield...and live. The girl was in a wheelchair for life, the parents would be taking care of her forever, and financially crippled.

I have put in hours listening to a baby scream while I either tried to get home, or if it wasn't close enough, tried to get to where I could pull over. (To clarify: I didn't listen to a baby scream with hunger for hours, the cumulative time is in hours.)

786 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:00:25pm

re: #781 USBeast

You were lighting a bong in China?
/

Yeah, I probably should after that sentence.

Where's goddessoftheclassroom?

787 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:02:02pm

re: #785 EmmmieG

My mother breastfed while driving....28 years ago. It wasn't that big of a deal back then. Then about twenty years ago, I met a family that had had a toddler go through a windshield...and live. The girl was in a wheelchair for life, the parents would be taking care of her forever, and financially crippled.

I have put in hours listening to a baby scream while I either tried to get home, or if it wasn't close enough, tried to get to where I could pull over. (To clarify: I didn't listen to a baby scream with hunger for hours, the cumulative time is in hours.)

28 years ago, you could strike a tree without wearing seat belts, and walk away from the wreckage. Good times.

788 Boxy_brown  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:02:03pm

re: #779 USBeast


Nobody's that happy.

LOL..

789 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:02:13pm

re: #783 jcm

My favorite was I-5 southbound between Seattle and Tacoma during rush hour... sheet music draped over the steering wheel..... playing a trumpet.

I saw a guy in a BMW reading a magazine on his steering wheel.

And I once saw a woman miss her exit on the freeway...STOP in the right
lane...BACK UP...and then exit.

Ever tried to drive a Civic on a guard rail? Getting two wheels up is easy; the hard part is staying on!

/

790 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:02:38pm

re: #784 Chicago Blonde

Thank you for that link. I've been giving friends links on Cloward-Piven like Pez candy too.

Out of a hole in your neck?

/

791 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:02:52pm

re: #780 OldLineTexan

No. And any homeowner shooting gets a LOT of attention.

Not good.

Guess you're really happy with Rick Perry aren't you? I know in Bexar county they get all pissy about illegals being shot by ranch owners. But that is because of the Mexican sentiment from San Antonio.

792 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:03:22pm

re: #789 OldLineTexan

I saw a guy in a BMW reading a magazine on his steering wheel.

And I once saw a woman miss her exit on the freeway...STOP in the right
lane...BACK UP...and then exit.

Ever tried to drive a Civic on a guard rail? Getting two wheels up is easy; the hard part is staying on!

/

I've seen that - the back up. It's always funny . . . after you pass the offending vehicle, that is.

793 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:03:26pm

re: #790 OldLineTexan

Out of a hole in your neck?

/

I'm not THAT depressed!

794 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:03:50pm

re: #791 soxfan4life

Guess you're really happy with Rick Perry aren't you? I know in Bexar county they get all pissy about illegals being shot by ranch owners. But that is because of the Mexican sentiment from San Antonio.

Gov. Goodhair gets/earns his share of abuse.

795 deWildcats  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:03:53pm

re: #39 vagabond trader

Yes, everyone in America must be made a victim so big gov can become our loving nanny.

I honestly think it's modern slavery

796 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:04:39pm

re: #789 OldLineTexan

I saw a guy in a BMW reading a magazine on his steering wheel.

And I once saw a woman miss her exit on the freeway...STOP in the right
lane...BACK UP...and then exit.

Ever tried to drive a Civic on a guard rail? Getting two wheels up is easy; the hard part is staying on!

/

Yikes!

797 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:04:43pm

Gotta leave for now; sick toddler just woke up.

798 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:04:43pm

re: #789 OldLineTexan

I saw a guy in a BMW reading a magazine on his steering wheel.

And I once saw a woman miss her exit on the freeway...STOP in the right
lane...BACK UP...and then exit.

Ever tried to drive a Civic on a guard rail? Getting two wheels up is easy; the hard part is staying on!

/

I was watching a woman in a mini-van folding children's clothing while driving. She had the laundry basket on the empty passenger seat. I just say this a couple of months ago.

799 Dianna  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:04:47pm

All right, I've done my work, and deposited a truly excruciatingly bad pile of proposals on my boss' desk.

What are we bemoaning and bewailing now?

800 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:04:55pm

re: #794 OldLineTexan

Gov. Goodhair gets/earns his share of abuse.

Agreed.

801 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:05:10pm

re: #799 Dianna

Idiot drivers.

802 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:05:24pm

BBIAB

803 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:05:33pm

re: #798 Walter L. Newton

I was watching a woman in a mini-van folding children's clothing while driving. She had the laundry basket on the empty passenger seat. I just say this a couple of months ago.

Now, ironing the clothes would be impressive!

804 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:05:40pm

re: #799 Dianna

All right, I've done my work, and deposited a truly excruciatingly bad pile of proposals on my boss' desk.

What are we bemoaning and bewailing now?

Bad drives, 6 sigma, the economy, and PEZ!

805 brookly red  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:05:58pm

re: #795 deWildcats

I honestly think it's modern slavery


BINGO!

806 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:05:59pm

re: #804 OldLineTexan

driveRs.

PIMF

807 Dianna  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:06:01pm

re: #801 Chicago Blonde

Idiot drivers.

I can definitely chime in!

How about idiot parkers?

808 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:06:10pm

re: #804 OldLineTexan

Bad drives, 6 sigma, the economy, and PEZ!

PEZ - nature's perfect food.

809 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:06:26pm

re: #792 Captain Amercia

I've seen that - the back up. It's always funny . . . after you pass the offending vehicle, that is.

I'd rather have them back up than cut a u-turn from the left shoulder to right shoulder..........

I still don't know how they didn't get hit.

810 notutopia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:06:58pm

Well, let me go check after the chickens and see if they'll go up early. I'll need to hunt in the snow for frozen eggs!
They all gave me the weirdest look this morning coming out of that coop hatch door, like...what the hell is this white stuff ?
BBL.

811 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:07:04pm

re: #809 jcm

I'd rather have them back up than cut a u-turn from the left shoulder to right shoulder..........

I still don't know how they didn't get hit.

Divine providence . . . and dumb luck.

812 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:07:11pm

re: #804 OldLineTexan

Bad drives, 6 sigma, the economy, and PEZ!

Typical afternoon!

813 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:07:17pm

re: #799 Dianna

All right, I've done my work, and deposited a truly excruciatingly bad pile of proposals on my boss' desk.

What are we bemoaning and bewailing now?

We ponder if life is but a Delbert Cartoon..Thus we contemplate life at work..
*Wink*

814 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:07:24pm

re: #807 Dianna

I can definitely chime in!

How about idiot parkers?

I think this thread is about how well the stock market did today to help China eventually own the US.

815 ciaospirit  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:07:42pm

Another fine upstanding Democrat being added to BHO's administration. Seems like the only people "right" for BHO are cheaters and liars.

WASHINGTON – Ron Kirk, nominated as U.S. Trade Representative in the Obama administration, owes an estimated $10,000 in back taxes from earlier in the decade and has agreed to make his payments, the Senate Finance Committee said Monday.
...
White House spokesman Ben LaBolt said Kirk was working to clear up "a few minor issues" uncovered by the committee and expressed confidence he would be confirmed.

Despite the error, Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, issued a statement calling Kirk "the right person for this job," and said he would attempt to have the nomination moved through the panel quickly.

816 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:07:49pm

re: #784 Chicago Blonde

Thank you for that link. I've been giving friends links on Cloward-Piven like Pez candy too.

You are most welcome.

817 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:08:11pm

re: #814 Walter L. Newton

I think this thread is about how well the stock market did today to help China eventually own the US.

Every time Obama goes on television, a stockbroker jumps out a window.

818 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:08:30pm

re: #809 jcm

I'd rather have them back up than cut a u-turn from the left shoulder to right shoulder..........

I still don't know how they didn't get hit.

ON A FREEWAY?

Mind you, I live near Houston, where everyone on the freeway believes it is his God-given right to go anywhere between 45mph and Mach 2.3 ... and all you idjits had best get out of his way.

A person doing a "Huey" on a freeway would be like waving red flags in front of bulls ...

819 screaming_eagle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:08:47pm

re: #799 Dianna

What are we bemoaning and bewailing now?

Just throw shit at the Goverment. It's bound to stick.

820 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:08:54pm

re: #804 OldLineTexan

Bad drives, 6 sigma, the economy, and PEZ!

Image: WomanDriver1.jpg

821 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:09:03pm

re: #815 ciaospirit

Another fine upstanding Democrat being added to BHO's administration. Seems like the only people "right" for BHO are cheaters and liars.

$10,000 in back taxes is a minor issue like Rosie O'Donnell is a tad overweight.

822 opnion  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:09:04pm

re: #814 Walter L. Newton

I think this thread is about how well the stock market did today to help China eventually own the US.


Yeah, jokes on them, wait until they try to find their own buyer.

823 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:09:23pm

re: #817 Captain Amercia

Every time Obama goes on television, a stockbroker jumps out a window.

The original movie was so much less dark than this remake ...

/

824 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:09:48pm

re: #804 OldLineTexan

Bad drives, 6 sigma, the economy, and PEZ!

and don't forget the eternal Glock debate! Luckily it hasn't exploded into 9mm vs 45 yet.....bwahahaha

825 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:09:57pm

re: #807 Dianna

I can definitely chime in!

How about idiot parkers?

1 car + 2 parking spaces = MATH FAIL

826 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:10:03pm

re: #815 ciaospirit

Another fine upstanding Democrat being added to BHO's administration. Seems like the only people "right" for BHO are cheaters and liars.


Why is it that every Democrat tax cheat is the right person for the job.

827 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:10:04pm

re: #817 Captain Amercia

Every time Obama goes on television, a stockbroker jumps out a window.

but at least the CNN peeps are having a good time.

828 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:10:06pm

re: #814 Walter L. Newton

I think this thread is about how well the stock market did today to help China eventually own the US.

Obama stinks at driving, and he's gonna' park us all in the poor house.

829 Dianna  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:10:27pm

re: #814 Walter L. Newton

I think this thread is about how well the stock market did today to help China eventually own the US.

Ah, yes.

I don't particularly feel like screaming, "Waily! Waily! We're dooooomed!" this afternoon.

Maybe tomorrow?

830 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:10:31pm

re: #823 OldLineTexan

The original movie was so much less dark than this remake ...

/

It was a comedy by comparison.

831 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:10:33pm

re: #818 OldLineTexan

ON A FREEWAY?

Mind you, I live near Houston, where everyone on the freeway believes it is his God-given right to go anywhere between 45mph and Mach 2.3 ... and all you idjits had best get out of his way.

A person doing a "Huey" on a freeway would be like waving red flags in front of bulls ...

I lived in Houston, I've live in Dallas. I've lived all over the south and south west and west. Folks out here would never make it one month in NYC. You pull any of that shit on the highway and don't know what you are doing, YOU WILL DIE.

832 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:11:01pm

re: #827 FrogMarch

but at least the CNN peeps are having a good time.


They are the band playing as the Titanic goes down.

833 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:11:02pm

re: #824 Fighton03

and don't forget the eternal Glock debate! Luckily it hasn't exploded into 9mm vs 45 yet.....bwahahaha

9mm vs. .45 vs. .40.....
Don't leave out .40!
;-)

834 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:11:33pm

re: #831 Walter L. Newton

I lived in Houston, I've live in Dallas. I've lived all over the south and south west and west. Folks out here would never make it one month in NYC. You pull any of that shit on the highway and don't know what you are doing, YOU WILL DIE.

Oh, I agree. Your average "open spaces" driver has NO CLUE about da big city. I would not turn a key in New Yawk. TAXI!

835 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:11:46pm

Some people never get the word. Heh

836 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:11:52pm

when almost 50% of the population (probably more) do not favor federal policy, the president is bound by honor to compromise...in all of the legislature only 3 repubs voted for this bill...clearly it is being crammed down our throats on the back of legalality...this president has no sense of service or duty or honor...it is a power grab of unpresidented proportion....I stand on principle regardless...I do not worship the law...it is wrong to steal from the people

837 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:11:56pm

re: #831 Walter L. Newton

I lived in Houston, I've live in Dallas. I've lived all over the south and south west and west. Folks out here would never make it one month in NYC. You pull any of that shit on the highway and don't know what you are doing, YOU WILL DIE.


My thoughts on Houston traffic were put in a traffic circle and charge admission.

838 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:11:57pm

re: #833 jcm

9mm vs. .45 vs. .40.....
Don't leave out .40!
;-)

/sigh

FORTY SHORT & WIMPY!

/OK, all done

839 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:11:58pm

Seventy one degrees in Denver right now.

840 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:12:03pm

re: #807 Dianna

I can definitely chime in!

How about idiot parkers?

oh! the worst. and idiot backer-outers who don't look first.

841 screaming_eagle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:12:03pm

re: #825 Chicago Blonde

1 car + 2 parking spaces = MATH FAIL average Wal-mardt parking lot

FIXED

842 Dustyvet  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:12:19pm

Military Bad Drivers.


Image: Woops-vi.jpg

843 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:12:30pm

re: #818 OldLineTexan

ON A FREEWAY?

Mind you, I live near Houston, where everyone on the freeway believes it is his God-given right to go anywhere between 45mph and Mach 2.3 ... and all you idjits had best get out of his way.

A person doing a "Huey" on a freeway would be like waving red flags in front of bulls ...

Cars scattering every which way.... in a movie it would have been funny...

844 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:12:31pm

re: #835 unreconstructed rebel

Some people never get the word. Heh

We got about six inches of global warming in Philly today. Thank you, Al Gore.

845 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:12:33pm

re: #835 unreconstructed rebel

Some people never get the word. Heh

WARMING FAIL

846 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:12:57pm

re: #807 Dianna

I can definitely chime in!

How about idiot parkers?

How about just idiots.

847 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:13:02pm

re: #833 jcm

9mm vs. .45 vs. .40.....
Don't leave out .40!
;-)

You hijacked the thread! so what is the difference between a 9mm and a 45?

848 Muadib  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:13:05pm

re: #762 MandyManners

It's supposed to spell out "entititled special snowflake".

And it does. What's it mean?

849 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:13:06pm

re: #829 Dianna

Ah, yes.

I don't particularly feel like screaming, "Waily! Waily! We're dooooomed!" this afternoon.

Maybe tomorrow?

some things become so glaringly obvious that you just have to shake your head and move on huh?

850 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:13:06pm

re: #838 OldLineTexan

/sigh

FORTY SHORT & WIMPY!

/OK, all done

I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a .40 caliber today!

851 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:13:20pm

re: #838 OldLineTexan

/sigh

FORTY SHORT & WIMPY!

/OK, all done

*glare*
ROFL!

852 Dianna  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:13:46pm

re: #825 Chicago Blonde

1 car + 2 parking spaces = MATH FAIL

There was one minivan, in a particularly obnoxious shade of acid green, that simply could not park. One van in two spaces was a good day.

One morning, I watched her park (yes, it was a woman). It took her three tries to pull into a slanted parking space and only be at an angle that took up two.

Her first two efforts convinced me that she was trying to parallel park.

853 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:13:53pm

re: #837 soxfan4life

My thoughts on Houston traffic were put in a traffic circle and charge admission.

We already have Loop 610 and Beltway 8. Next up, the "Grand Parkway". Except Gov. Goodhair sez we no kan haz free roadZ.

854 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:14:01pm
855 Eowyn2  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:14:29pm

re: #18 DisturbedEma

Doesn't wall street know you have to lose money to make money in the new world disorder?

And water is dry and the desert is cold too. . .


It rained all night the day I left
the weather it was dry
the sun so hot
I nearly froze to death
Suzannah dont you cry

856 opnion  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:14:43pm

re: #834 OldLineTexan

Oh, I agree. Your average "open spaces" driver has NO CLUE about da big city. I would not turn a key in New Yawk. TAXI!


I knew that New York was a whole different place when I got in a cab at LaGuardia. Sitting down activated the voice of Judge Judy giving tips on how to avoid being mugged in NYC.

857 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:14:46pm

re: #850 Captain Amercia

I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a .40 caliber today!

I have a 9mm and a .45. Equal opportunity, and it averages out.

858 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:14:49pm

re: #844 Captain Amercia

We got about six inches of global warming in Philly today. Thank you, Al Gore.

Only about 3 here in Fauquier County, but it's damn cold for March 2. Only got up to 27 all day - in the sunshine.

859 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:14:54pm

Obama did say the he was going to Fundamentally Change America.
I didn't vote for him but I had a special advantage, being an unsophisticated rube. I actually fucking listened to him.

860 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:15:07pm

re: #856 opnion

I knew that New York was a whole different place when I got in a cab at LaGuardia. Sitting down activated the voice of Judge Judy giving tips on how to avoid being mugged in NYC.

And then . . . your ears started to bleed.

861 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:15:07pm

re: #839 Walter L. Newton

Seventy one degrees in Denver right now.

ugh. Where's the snow?

862 USBeast  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:15:34pm

re: #807 Dianna

I can definitely chime in!

How about idiot parkers?

How about arrogant parkers; the congenital a**holes who take up two spaces just so their idiotic Cadillac truck won't have to hobnob with lesser vehicles. It is only my reluctance to having my daughter's father thrown into jail that has kept me from keying them from stem to stern.

863 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:15:43pm

re: #854 Iron Fist

You don't really have to decide if you want magazine capacity or .45 punch. Some people make double-stack 1911s. And Glock 21 is .45 (13 round mag, IIRC).

You can have your cake and eat it too :-)

(I'm barely here. The Girlfriend and I are going for dinner :-)

I have big hands, and I could not hold a Glock 21 well.

864 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:15:54pm

re: #847 HoosierHoops

You hijacked the thread! so what is the difference between a 9mm and a 45?

a 45 is what a 9mm wants to be when it grows up....

865 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:15:55pm

re: #834 OldLineTexan

Oh, I agree. Your average "open spaces" driver has NO CLUE about da big city. I would not turn a key in New Yawk. TAXI!

I think you are one of the few people from this area of the country who has ever admitted that. And that's the best description I have ever heard "open spaces driver."

And really, I'm not trying to be smart-assed about it, but it pains me to see some of the stunts they pull around here, and how they wind up hurting each other.

It's like evolution on the east coast. That kind of driving gets culled out of the gene pool real fast.

866 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:15:55pm

re: #858 unreconstructed rebel

Only about 3 here in Fauquier County, but it's damn cold for March 2. Only got up to 27 all day - in the sunshine.

We're expecting single digits here tomorrow. At least it'll be good sledding weather for the kiddies.

867 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:16:01pm

re: #852 Dianna

And she parked towards the front, right? Where her skills would spread the most joy?

868 Dianna  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:17:10pm

re: #840 FrogMarch

oh! the worst. and idiot backer-outers who don't look first.

Nah - my Jeep died a horrible, hideous and suffering death in a parking lot. Some idiot evidently forgot where his brake was, and ran headlong into my poor little Wrangler, pushing her back about three feet.

Unfortunately, I'd left her in first gear.

The only visible damage was some chipped paint on her heavy-duty push bars. But her transmission - and for some reason her oil pan - was toast.

869 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:17:14pm

Blago's going to write a book?

How's his health?

870 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:17:21pm

re: #866 Captain Amercia

We're expecting single digits here tomorrow. At least it'll be good sledding weather for the kiddies.

This morning's snow was one of those that squeaks.

871 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:17:27pm

re: #842 Dustyvet

Where do you FIND this stuff? :)

872 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:17:34pm

re: #869 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Blago's going to write a book?

How's his health?

His hair is writing a mini-series.

873 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:17:39pm

re: #862 USBeast

How about arrogant parkers; the congenital a**holes who take up two spaces just so their idiotic Cadillac truck won't have to hobnob with lesser vehicles. It is only my reluctance to having my daughter's father thrown into jail that has kept me from keying them from stem to stern.

Don't give in.

I have a pad of Post-Its sticky notes and a squirt bottle of water in my minivan.

The sticky notes are imprinted as follows:

IF YOU'LL QUIT PARKING IN TWO SPOTS, I'LL QUIT PISSING ON YOUR DOOR HANDLES

874 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:17:58pm

re: #861 FrogMarch

ugh. Where's the snow?

Well, three years ago we we getting that weekly blizzard, 6 times in a row.

Yes, I want more snow down here. It's too early for spring.

875 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:18:00pm

re: #815 ciaospirit

Another fine upstanding Democrat being added to BHO's administration. Seems like the only people "right" for BHO are cheaters and liars.

Another one! I beginning to think all Democrats in power should be audited. lying elitist cheats...

(instead rush Limbaugh is audited)

876 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:18:05pm

re: #859 LGoPs

Hello, fellow rube, how are you tonight?

877 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:18:16pm

re: #869 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Blago's going to write a book?

How's his health?

I cannot feature any publisher wanting to risk an advance on him.

878 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:18:21pm

re: #865 Walter L. Newton

I think you are one of the few people from this area of the country who has ever admitted that. And that's the best description I have ever heard "open spaces driver."

And really, I'm not trying to be smart-assed about it, but it pains me to see some of the stunts they pull around here, and how they wind up hurting each other.

It's like evolution on the east coast. That kind of driving gets culled out of the gene pool real fast.

I have seen traffic in Taipei and Hong Kong.

I harbor no death wishes.

879 sevoguy  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:18:30pm

AND THE OBAMANATION continues. Yet the chosen one still continues to give our tax money away to failed states such as Pakistan and Gaza, Egypt and Mexico.

The harder the economies of the world are hit, the more our enemies suffer. The lower oil goes then the worse it is for leaders like Chevez.

I'm still continuing to put money into my 401k. Dollar cost averaging can do wonders for a portfolio. Don't dispair about the economy. We who are productive in America will be ok in 5 or 6 years. Hyperinflation will defeat Obama in the next election just like it defeated Jimmy Carter when he ran for a second term. Only this time we will be voting a president out of office who will nearly destroy the country; and much worse that Good Ole Boy Jimmy did.

Socialist Pig's they be.

880 opnion  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:18:51pm

re: #860 Captain Amercia

And then . . . your ears started to bleed.

Pretty much. I am not so sure that NYC has more crime per capita than other big cities. I hate to say it but our gun crime in Chicago is off of the charts.

881 Eowyn2  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:18:57pm

re: #754 jcm

I know women say they can multi task but......

Driving.....

Talking on cell.....

and

Breastfeeding? ? ? ?

how many hands does she have?

882 USBeast  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:18:59pm

re: #869 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Blago's going to write a book?

How's his health?

Physical or mental?

883 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:19:12pm

re: #875 FrogMarch

Another one! I beginning to think all Democrats in power should be audited. lying elitist cheats...

(instead rush Limbaugh is audited)

They're just not patriotic.

884 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:19:37pm

re: #880 opnion

Pretty much. I am not so sure that NYC has more crime per capita than other big cities. I hate to say it but our gun crime in Chicago is off of the charts.

In Philadelphia, we get a cop killed every other damned month!

885 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:19:46pm

re: #815 ciaospirit

Read about that earlier....seems that it was actually potentially an oversight. Not as overt as the other things I have seen.

I'm sure I have forgotten an honorarium or two.

886 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:19:46pm

Just passing thru. Need to run.

887 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:19:58pm

re: #878 OldLineTexan

I have seen traffic in Taipei and Hong Kong.

I harbor no death wishes.

Seoul traffic scared me to death.

888 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:20:21pm

re: #847 HoosierHoops

You hijacked the thread! so what is the difference between a 9mm and a 45?

9mm (147.1 gr) JHP -- 1,000 ft/s -- 326 ft·lbf
.45 (165 gr ) JHP -- 1,060 ft/s -- 412 ft·lbf
.40 (155 gr) JHP -- 1,175 ft/s -- 475 ft·lbf

Typical, varies by load and grains and bullet type.
.40 handles like a 9mm but delivers like a .45.
.40 is my preference.

A lot of it is personal preference. What counts in the end is lead on target. Chose a primary defensive firearm based on what works for you, what you can shoot well and consistently.

889 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:20:24pm

I useta' paint my finger nails on the way to school (11 miles) when I was a teen. It was a curvy, two-lane road with a speed limit of 55 m.p.h..

890 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:20:34pm

re: #878 OldLineTexan

I have seen traffic in Taipei and Hong Kong.

I harbor no death wishes.

Or Bangkok, Thailand

891 Dianna  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:20:46pm

re: #867 Chicago Blonde

And she parked towards the front, right? Where her skills would spread the most joy?

No, actually - she seemed properly ashamed of her lack of skills, and generally parked toward the back of the lot.

892 USBeast  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:21:03pm

re: #887 soxfan4life

Seoul traffic scared me to death.

Ever drive in Dallas?

893 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:21:07pm

re: #890 Soona'

Or Bangkok, Thailand

Heh, heh, "Bangkok."

894 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:21:53pm

re: #872 Captain Amercia

His hair is writing a mini-series.

I knew that stuff was contagious!

895 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:22:09pm

re: #876 Chicago Blonde

Hello, fellow rube, how are you tonight?

Hi. I'm depressed and exasperated at my fellow citizens. I can accept the fact that it was time for a Democrat to be elected after the last 8 years of treasonous one-sided Bush bashing. But I cannot accept that we had to elect the most radical, left wing member of the entire United States Congress.
That I can't accept.
But, other than that, I'm cool.......how 'bout you.
:)

896 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:22:14pm

re: #892 USBeast

Ever drive in Dallas?

Dallas was a piece of cake. I cut my teeth in Boston traffic.

897 Special Forces Grunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:22:16pm

re: #412 Maximu§

Hey, I thought all you 11B's were Dumb-asses...you sound pretty intelligent to this old Cav Scout.

I was an 11F4S (SF Intelligence Sergeant) back in Vietnam when the army commissioned me as a 2LT, and later they sent me to college. But, I'm still a grunt at heart. It's good to meet a fellow combat arms soldier.

898 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:22:20pm

re: #894 Fighton03

I knew that stuff was contagious!

It's running for POTUS on 2012.

899 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:22:20pm

re: #889 MandyManners

I useta' paint my finger nails on the way to school (11 miles) when I was a teen.

And there's the difference between you and the Ohio woman...

900 sphincter  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:22:40pm

well,....the market is down again. Let me see,...I'm down about $459,000 since last summer. My butt hurts and my wallet is getting empty.

901 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:22:50pm

re: #874 Walter L. Newton

Well, three years ago we we getting that weekly blizzard, 6 times in a row.

Yes, I want more snow down here. It's too early for spring.

I remember that. Loved all the moisture, hated the side streets. One shady spot in our neighborhood never melted and became a 3 foot edge of ice. Someone had to bring in a backhoe to break it up. It was like driving off a cliff.

902 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:23:06pm

re: #887 soxfan4life

Seoul traffic scared me to death.

no city ever compared to the suicidal habits of Jamaicans....truly a life and death adventure driving down there

903 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:23:07pm

re: #900 sphincter

well,....the market is down again. Let me see,...I'm down about $459,000 since last summer. My butt hurts and my wallet is getting empty.

And didn't even get a reach-around.

904 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:23:29pm

re: #881 Eowyn2

how many hands does she have?

Two hands - and two knees. When driving - don't forget the knees.

;-)

905 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:23:46pm
906 nyc redneck  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:23:50pm

re: #834 OldLineTexan

Oh, I agree. Your average "open spaces" driver has NO CLUE about da big city. I would not turn a key in New Yawk. TAXI!

driving in the city isn't so hard.
you just go.
really, you just get behind the wheel and go w/ the flow.
you'd do fine. but you do have to pay attention tho.
(don't be going down the road, reading the nyt , not that you would.)

907 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:23:53pm

re: #893 Captain Amercia

Heh, heh, "Bangkok."

Yeah, Bangkok. Where it may take you a little longer to get there but once you do.............!

908 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:23:56pm

re: #895 LGoPs

Huh, maybe you ARE family. :)
The same. This website does help - otherwise I'd feel more like I was the only one who felt this way.

909 sphincter  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:24:00pm

re: #903 Captain Amercia

no peck on the cheek either.

910 Muadib  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:24:01pm

re: #889 MandyManners

I useta' paint my finger nails on the way to school (11 miles) when I was a teen. It was a curvy, two-lane road with a speed limit of 55 m.p.h..

How's your front bumper doing?

911 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:24:30pm

re: #888 jcm

9mm (147.1 gr) JHP -- 1,000 ft/s -- 326 ft·lbf
.45 (165 gr ) JHP -- 1,060 ft/s -- 412 ft·lbf
.40 (155 gr) JHP -- 1,175 ft/s -- 475 ft·lbf

Typical, varies by load and grains and bullet type.
.40 handles like a 9mm but delivers like a .45.
.40 is my preference.

A lot of it is personal preference. What counts in the end is lead on target. Chose a primary defensive firearm based on what works for you, what you can shoot well and consistently.

I bought a PPK years ago..never been fired..Lizards make fun of me all the time..:)

912 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:24:38pm

re: #909 sphincter

no peck on the cheek either.

Or a $20 on the night stand.

913 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:24:41pm

re: #879 sevoguy

AND THE OBAMANATION continues. Yet the chosen one still continues to give our tax money away to failed states such as Pakistan and Gaza, Egypt and Mexico.

The harder the economies of the world are hit, the more our enemies suffer. The lower oil goes then the worse it is for leaders like Chevez.

I'm still continuing to put money into my 401k. Dollar cost averaging can do wonders for a portfolio. Don't dispair about the economy. We who are productive in America will be ok in 5 or 6 years. Hyperinflation will defeat Obama in the next election just like it defeated Jimmy Carter when he ran for a second term. Only this time we will be voting a president out of office who will nearly destroy the country; and much worse that Good Ole Boy Jimmy did.

Socialist Pig's they be.

You are forgetting that Carter was just a bad president. This guy is a really GOOD socialist, and he is setting up so many "hooks" that will keep us headed in that direction for years to come.

Oboma is laying a foundation for a number of future programs and people, those who have already planned the next assault.

This is not the work of a idealistic kindly-hearted addled old man. This is an actual scripted revolution.

You can bank on what I am saying.

914 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:24:44pm

re: #899 Chicago Blonde

And there's the difference between you and the Ohio woman...

Who? What?

915 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:25:22pm

re: #900 sphincter

Squanderers Rock!

916 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:25:30pm

re: #898 Captain Amercia

It's running for POTUS on 2012.

As a donkeycrat I'm sure:) It'll have more substance and body than our current empty suit.

917 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:25:32pm

re: #891 Dianna

No, actually - she seemed properly ashamed of her lack of skills, and generally parked toward the back of the lot.

WOW. That's unusual, they usually splay their vehicles in 2 spaces towards the front door.

918 sphincter  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:25:38pm

re: #912 Captain Amercia
Army, 1978 to 1986. What branch were you in?

919 USBeast  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:25:38pm

re: #896 soxfan4life

Dallas was a piece of cake. I cut my teeth in Boston traffic.

Hat's off to you. The last time I had to deal with Dallas traffic I had a chance to talk with a retired Dallas EMT. I asked him if a death wish was required to drive there. He said yes.

920 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:25:38pm

re: #888 jcm

9mm (147.1 gr) JHP -- 1,000 ft/s -- 326 ft·lbf
.45 (165 gr ) JHP -- 1,060 ft/s -- 412 ft·lbf
.40 (155 gr) JHP -- 1,175 ft/s -- 475 ft·lbf

Typical, varies by load and grains and bullet type.
.40 handles like a 9mm but delivers like a .45.
.40 is my preference.

A lot of it is personal preference. What counts in the end is lead on target. Chose a primary defensive firearm based on what works for you, what you can shoot well and consistently.

Caliber : 10mm
Bullet : Speer Gold Dot JHP
Ballistics : 155gr. @ 1475fps / 750ft/lbs- Glock 20 (15 rd std mag capacity)

921 opnion  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:26:00pm

An older man goes upstairs to bed.
His wife says, 'You left the light on in the shed"
He replies, "I haven't been in the shed." He looks out & sees two men robbing his tools etc.
He calls the police & is informrd by the dispatcher, "Just lock your doors. We are swamped & will get to you when we can."
Five minutes later the man calls back, "Take your time, I just shot the intruders."
In three minutes there is a SWAT team in his yard & a helocopter overhead & the perps are busted.
The Sgt says to the man, 'I thought that you said that you shot them"
He replies, "I thought that you said you were busy."

922 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:26:15pm

re: #919 USBeast

I had the opportunity to mention JL earlier. Thought of you.

923 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:26:42pm

Never mind.

The mother says she didn't do anything wrong and may do it again.

"I don't want anything to happen to any of my children, that's why I tell them to get in the seat belt, but this particular morning that child wanted to eat, and I did feed my child," said Genine Compton.

I hope CPS crawls up her butt for a while.

924 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:26:43pm

re: #918 sphincter

Army, 1978 to 1986. What branch were you in?

Army, tanker. Spent a lot of time in Germany back in the late 80's, early 90's. End of the Cold War.

925 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:26:51pm

re: #914 MandyManners

JCM's #754 - woman cell phoning and nursing tot while driving.

926 Dianna  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:27:02pm

I think I shall go home and write.

Take care, lizards.

927 bulwrk  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:27:04pm

re: #872 Captain Amercia

His hair is writing a mini-series.

Roots

928 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:27:19pm

re: #926 Dianna

Have a great evening, Dianna.

929 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:27:33pm

re: #919 USBeast

Hat's off to you. The last time I had to deal with Dallas traffic I had a chance to talk with a retired Dallas EMT. I asked him if a death wish was required to drive there. He said yes.

I don't find Dallas particularly tough to drive in....what's the big deal?....it ain't DC...

930 opnion  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:27:40pm

re: #884 Captain Amercia

In Philadelphia, we get a cop killed every other damned month!

In Phoenix , the cops are outgunned by the Mexican narco gangs.

931 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:27:49pm

re: #923 MandyManners

Never mind.


I hope CPS crawls up her butt for a while.

We have spotted another Spayshul Snowfwake. LEARN TO PUMP, IDIOT.

932 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:27:57pm

re: #911 HoosierHoops

I bought a PPK years ago..never been fired..Lizards make fun of me all the time..:)

The only bad thing I see is it's never been fired! Get some trigger time in man.

933 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:27:58pm

re: #923 MandyManners

Never mind.


I hope CPS crawls up her butt for a while.

No, they need to take away her license. If they take her kids, we have to pay for it. If she has to take the bus with her kids, it may sink in.

934 sphincter  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:28:21pm

re: #924 Captain Amercia
I recognized my native language. Thank you for your service! Eating dust in Graf or the Wild Chicken is not for the faint of heart.

935 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:28:26pm

re: #930 opnion

Could the National Guard just go in a sweep it?

936 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:28:37pm

re: #930 opnion

In Phoenix , the cops are outgunned by the Mexican narco gangs.

Bad situation getting worse out there.

937 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:29:08pm

Could SOMEONE tell me who the hell writes things like this...

So-called red water spews from Alamosa taps

ALAMOSA, Colo.—Chemicals now used to treat Alamosa's water are being blamed for reddish water spewing from faucets, mainly in the older parts of town.

Alamosa city officials said chemicals added to the water are reacting with cast iron pipes, some as old as 100 years. The reaction releases reddish iron and manganese....

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

SO CALLED? If it's red colored then it's red.

938 UFO TOFU  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:30:01pm

re: #920 Gort

Wow.

939 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:30:04pm

re: #933 EmmmieG

No, they need to take away her license. If they take her kids, we have to pay for it. If she has to take the bus with her kids, it may sink in.

Good point and I'd do that. However, what else does this idiot do that endangers her kids? I could be wrong but, this might be just one example of her hideous choices.

940 USBeast  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:30:05pm

re: #922 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had the opportunity to mention JL earlier. Thought of you.

"Thanks for noticin' me."

941 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:30:29pm

re: #911 HoosierHoops

I bought a PPK years ago..never been fired..Lizards make fun of me all the time..:)

Did you buy it from the French Army, never been fired and only dropped once.

942 summergurl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:30:56pm

re: #877 unreconstructed rebel

I cannot feature any publisher wanting to risk an advance on him.


Really? I can. A "tell-all" book by Blago would certainly sell, and it wouldn't have to tell all, just a little. Of course he might make more money from the people that DON'T want him to write a book.

943 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:31:01pm

re: #934 sphincter

I recognized my native language. Thank you for your service! Eating dust in Graf or the Wild Chicken is not for the faint of heart.


Thanks. I left with a 10% disability - permanent hearing damage - and working in the Philly Fire Department. Both organizations can be equally infuriating when it comes to its members.

944 opnion  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:31:08pm

re: #935 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Could the National Guard just go in a sweep it?

re: #936 Captain Amercia

Bad situation getting worse out there.

It does seem past time to call in the National Guard. I really like Phoenix, but they need things under control to keep up tourism.

945 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:31:24pm

re: #934 sphincter

I recognized my native language. Thank you for your service! Eating dust in Graf or the Wild Chicken is not for the faint of heart.

Been there, done that. No t-shirt, though.

946 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:32:00pm

re: #945 Soona'

Been there, done that. No t-shirt, though.

And no credit for the Berlin Wall being taken down.

947 Cognito  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:32:10pm

re: #937 Walter L. Newton

Get 'em, Walter. Get the motherless sons.

948 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:32:27pm

re: #944 opnion

It does seem past time to call in the National Guard. I really like Phoenix, but they need things under control to keep up tourism.

what could the NG do?

949 MandyManners  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:32:28pm

re: #937 Walter L. Newton

Could SOMEONE tell me who the hell writes things like this...

So-called red water spews from Alamosa taps

ALAMOSA, Colo.—Chemicals now used to treat Alamosa's water are being blamed for reddish water spewing from faucets, mainly in the older parts of town.

Alamosa city officials said chemicals added to the water are reacting with cast iron pipes, some as old as 100 years. The reaction releases reddish iron and manganese....

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

SO CALLED? If it's red colored then it's red.

I couldn't get the link to open but, perhaps there's an explanation from an employee at the water plant. But, if not, it's just a piss-poor job by the copy editor.

950 summergurl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:32:47pm

re: #881 Eowyn2

how many hands does she have?

Either that child was not in a car seat or....... (shuddering at the visual)

951 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:32:53pm

re: #944 opnion

Tourism. Yeah. Bet that's taken a hit. Wouldn't go there these days on a bet.

952 debutaunt  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:33:02pm

re: #896 soxfan4life

Dallas was a piece of cake. I cut my teeth in Boston traffic.

Traffic-roundabouts-of-death-and-destruction.

953 Sheepdogess  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:33:08pm

I thought the "R" word thought was verboten here. I'm glad to see that it is not. People need to prepare.

954 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:33:10pm

re: #908 Chicago Blonde

Huh, maybe you ARE family. :)
The same. This website does help - otherwise I'd feel more like I was the only one who felt this way.

You're sure right about that. This is one of the few places I go anymore to look for information.
I literally stopped watching the news on Novmber the 5th. I was a news junkie prior to that but afterwards I just couldn't take the BS anymore. And I think it literally has helped my blood pressure some - not kidding.
Also makes my neighbors a little less nervous. I think it scared them to hear unearthly shrieks and screams randomly coming from my house.......
:)

955 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:33:27pm

re: #948 albusteve

what could the NG do?

Watch the damned porous border?

956 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:33:46pm

re: #947 Cognito

Get 'em, Walter. Get the motherless sons.

Are you copping to writing this?

957 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:33:53pm

re: #946 Captain Amercia

And no credit for the Berlin Wall being taken down.

Nope.

958 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:33:54pm

re: #911 HoosierHoops

I bought a PPK years ago..never been fired..Lizards make fun of me all the time..:)

Stock up on ammo.....
Practice before you rely on it.

959 Maximu§  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:34:08pm

re: #897 Special Forces Grunt

Hey, I thought all you 11B's were Dumb-asses...you sound pretty intelligent to this old Cav Scout.

I was an 11F4S (SF Intelligence Sergeant) back in Vietnam when the army commissioned me as a 2LT, and later they sent me to college. But, I'm still a grunt at heart. It's good to meet a fellow combat arms soldier.

Theres alot of vets in here. My boys in the 10th Mountain at Fort Drum.

960 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:34:18pm

re: #950 summergurl

Why they call her "Longtits".

961 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:34:25pm

re: #952 debutaunt

Traffic-roundabouts-of-death-and-destruction.

Enter at your own risk, or peril depending on how you look at it.

962 opnion  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:34:33pm

re: #948 albusteve

what could the NG do?

At least instill a feeling of security, that the narco gangs are now themselves outgunned.

963 kahall  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:34:35pm

re: #903 Captain Amercia

And didn't even get a reach-around.

But, just think of all the free time most of us are bound to have soon. Won't it be great?

964 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:34:41pm

re: #949 MandyManners

I couldn't get the link to open but, perhaps there's an explanation from an employee at the water plant. But, if not, it's just a piss-poor job by the copy editor.

what's wrong decribing water as reddish?....what am I missing?

965 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:34:42pm

re: #934 sphincter

I recognized my native language. Thank you for your service! Eating dust in Graf or the Wild Chicken is not for the faint of heart.

You've been to the Chicken? I lived there in 76-77 (as an army brat). That place was COLD!

966 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:34:58pm

re: #960 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why they call her "Longtits".

Related to "Longshanks?"

967 Eowyn2  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:35:08pm

re: #858 unreconstructed rebel

Only about 3 here in Fauquier County, but it's damn cold for March 2. Only got up to 27 all day - in the sunshine.

we're in the low 50s today. Wait two hours though and it could be 40 below.

968 Sacred Plants  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:35:09pm

This must be a conspiracy, or do you know any communist who owns stocks? ;-)

To all those who now are losing their assets, what did you think when you shrugged of the warnings that capitalism might betray you as well quicker than anyone could expect? How did it feel to ridicule those of us who chose not to participate any longer in this failed system as "losers"? Why did you resent those who felt your pain before you did?

It turns out capitalism is just a subprime mortgage on the planet. This Earth belongs to all of us and will continue to do so forever. No generation has a right to exploit its resources as if there was no tomorrow, and if one does nevertheless it will only produce losers. Now we will see whether the markets will be able to compete with the right not to participate.

969 Sheepdogess  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:35:14pm

re: #911 HoosierHoops

Get shootin, it's a blast!

970 sphincter  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:35:29pm

re: #943 Captain Amercia
Philly Fire Department? Wow! Yeah, when I processed out they told me I had 40% hearing loss in my left ear. I never could figure that out. My right ear was closest to the M-16 and we wore ear-plugs everytime we fired any weapon. Still can't figure that one out.

Thank you for your service back in the day, and thank you for your service now. Not to cop the nonsense from current radio shows, but you are a great American!

971 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:35:49pm

re: #906 nyc redneck

driving in the city isn't so hard.
you just go.
really, you just get behind the wheel and go w/ the flow.
you'd do fine. but you do have to pay attention tho.
(don't be going down the road, reading the nyt , not that you would.)

Why would I read toilet paper for birds?

/

WHAT?

/

972 ciaospirit  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:05pm

Fools.

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration threw open the curtain on years of Bush-era secrets Monday, revealing anti-terror memos that claimed exceptional search-and-seizure powers and divulging that the CIA destroyed nearly 100 videotapes of interrogations and other treatment of terror suspects.
...
"Too often over the past decade, the fight against terrorism has been viewed as a zero-sum battle with our civil liberties," Attorney General Eric Holder said in a speech a few hours before the documents were released. "Not only is that school of thought misguided, I fear that in actuality it does more harm than good."

This is an attempt to distract us from what BHO is doing.

973 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:08pm

re: #963 kahall

But, just think of all the free time most of us are bound to have soon. Won't it be great?

Obama wants everyone to be a Democrat. No job, no wories, living off the Welfare state.

974 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:11pm

re: #955 Captain Amercia

Watch the damned porous border?

Phoenix is not on the border....maybe I misunderstood

975 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:12pm

re: #937 Walter L. Newton

well it's only "so called" journalism....

976 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:23pm

re: #941 soxfan4life

Did you buy it from the French Army, never been fired and only dropped once.

LOL
yup..I bought the wicked 007 gun years ago and it still is a virgin..
I kind of like it that way....

977 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:24pm

re: #702 jcm

First row.
Bin... Decimal... Hex... ASCII
1100101 101 65 e
1101110 110 6E n
1110100 116 74 t
1101001 105 69 i
1110100 116 74 t
1101100 108 6C l
1100101 101 65 e

entitle


That whole mess means entitle?

978 opnion  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:47pm

re: #951 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tourism. Yeah. Bet that's taken a hit. Wouldn't go there these days on a bet.


And that is a big problem for them, they need tourists.
There are lot's less people at Spring Training games this year, but that could be the economy.

979 miclaine  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:55pm

Honestly, I cannot blame this on the Obamessiah. Blame for this debacle rests squarely on the shoulders of Wm Clinton, Alan Greenspan and George W Bush. I am sure that BHO is not inspiring confidence, but let's not blame him for this mess.
Mic

980 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:58pm

re: #968 Sacred Plants

Dude, you are harshing my mellow.

Uncool.

981 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:37:00pm

re: #970 sphincter

Philly Fire Department? Wow! Yeah, when I processed out they told me I had 40% hearing loss in my left ear. I never could figure that out. My right ear was closest to the M-16 and we wore ear-plugs everytime we fired any weapon. Still can't figure that one out.

Thank you for your service back in the day, and thank you for your service now. Not to cop the nonsense from current radio shows, but you are a great American!

Thanks much! I still have the constant ringing, but I manage. It's a nice break in the day. :)

982 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:37:51pm

re: #972 ciaospirit

Fools.


This is an attempt to distract us from what BHO is doing.

What do we want a new witch hunt every 4 or 8 years? What an ass, way to heal the country dickhead.

983 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:38:23pm

re: #964 albusteve

what's wrong decribing water as reddish?....what am I missing?

The headline called it "so-called" reddish water and the article said it was red. It's read water, it's not blue water being so-called red.

"So-called" implies something that is not really what it is. Well, if it's red, than it's red.

I am the vanguard of brining down yellow journalism.

984 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:38:35pm

re: #979 miclaine

Honestly, I cannot blame this on the Obamessiah. Blame for this debacle rests squarely on the shoulders of Wm Clinton, Alan Greenspan and George W Bush. I am sure that BHO is not inspiring confidence, but let's not blame him for this mess.
Mic

Obama has just as much blame as the rest. This Porkulus Package is proof positive of that.

985 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:38:40pm

re: #968 Sacred Plants

This must be a conspiracy, or do you know any communist who owns stocks? ;-)

To all those who now are losing their assets, what did you think when you shrugged of the warnings that capitalism might betray you as well quicker than anyone could expect? How did it feel to ridicule those of us who chose not to participate any longer in this failed system as "losers"? Why did you resent those who felt your pain before you did?

It turns out capitalism is just a subprime mortgage on the planet. This Earth belongs to all of us and will continue to do so forever. No generation has a right to exploit its resources as if there was no tomorrow, and if one does nevertheless it will only produce losers. Now we will see whether the markets will be able to compete with the right not to participate.

So when I labor, sow, weed, water and harvest. You own a part of my product for doing nothing?

986 Fighton03  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:38:50pm

re: #976 HoosierHoops

LOL
yup..I bought the wicked 007 gun years ago and it still is a virgin..
I kind of like it that way....

then why do you own it?

987 screaming_eagle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:07pm

re: #968 Sacred Plants

Please stop drinking your bonk water.

988 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:11pm

re: #968 Sacred Plants

Hey Rain Cloud Flower Sun Spring Rainbow. Please. Step away from the bong.

Why would a fuckin' commie want to be here.

989 Cognito  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:13pm

re: #983 Walter L. Newton

The headline called it "so-called" reddish water and the article said it was red. It's read water, it's not blue water being so-called red.

"So-called" implies something that is not really what it is. Well, if it's red, than it's red.

I am the vanguard of brining down yellow journalism.

And thank goodness you're at it, Walter.

990 sphincter  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:17pm

don't want to overlook Soona either. Anyone who's eatin that dust through a drive-on rag is alright by me.

991 Sifty  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:24pm

While I hate the damage it is causing...
Communism is toxic to business in America.


Sooner or later even the Obamatons will have to acknowledge that every time Bambi sticks his head out of the sandbox, the market drops a few hundred points.

Right now, a million journalists are feverishly hoping to convince us that 2 + 2 will equal 5 if we all drink the Hopenchange.

992 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:44pm

Sighted: An accurate article headline from WaPo:

White House Cheat Sheet: A Cabinet In Full

Cheat indeed...

993 Captain Amercia  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:45pm

re: #968 Sacred Plants

This must be a conspiracy, or do you know any communist who owns stocks? ;-)

To all those who now are losing their assets, what did you think when you shrugged of the warnings that capitalism might betray you as well quicker than anyone could expect? How did it feel to ridicule those of us who chose not to participate any longer in this failed system as "losers"? Why did you resent those who felt your pain before you did?

It turns out capitalism is just a subprime mortgage on the planet. This Earth belongs to all of us and will continue to do so forever. No generation has a right to exploit its resources as if there was no tomorrow, and if one does nevertheless it will only produce losers. Now we will see whether the markets will be able to compete with the right not to participate.

Lousy hippies.

994 opnion  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:50pm

re: #974 albusteve

Phoenix is not on the border....maybe I misunderstood

But , they are coming across the Border & head off to Phoenix to sell their goods.

995 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:55pm

re: #954 LGoPs

Yeah, I work when I get stressed, largely because that's the only thing that fixes it. At least my cholesterol level is receding along with my 401K....

996 summergurl  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:57pm

re: #968 Sacred Plants

This must be a conspiracy, or do you know any communist who owns stocks? ;-)

To all those who now are losing their assets, what did you think when you shrugged of the warnings that capitalism might betray you as well quicker than anyone could expect? How did it feel to ridicule those of us who chose not to participate any longer in this failed system as "losers"? Why did you resent those who felt your pain before you did?

It turns out capitalism is just a subprime mortgage on the planet. This Earth belongs to all of us and will continue to do so forever. No generation has a right to exploit its resources as if there was no tomorrow, and if one does nevertheless it will only produce losers. Now we will see whether the markets will be able to compete with the right not to participate.

Chong is that you?

997 pittrader1988  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:40:05pm

re: #827 FrogMarch

you really can't blame the stock broker. his clients have lost so much money his commissions have dried up-and if lives in a state with decent gun laws, his clients are looking for him anyway.

998 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:40:18pm

re: #983 Walter L. Newton

The headline called it "so-called" reddish water and the article said it was red. It's read water, it's not blue water being so-called red.

"So-called" implies something that is not really what it is. Well, if it's red, than it's red.

I am the vanguard of brining down yellow journalism.

So-called yellow journalism.

/ducking

999 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:40:36pm

re: #983 Walter L. Newton

The headline called it "so-called" reddish water and the article said it was red. It's read water, it's not blue water being so-called red.

"So-called" implies something that is not really what it is. Well, if it's red, than it's red.

I am the vanguard of brining down yellow journalism.

you're right...I didn't read the so-called headline

1000 Soona'  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:40:42pm

re: #968 Sacred Plants

This must be a conspiracy, or do you know any communist who owns stocks? ;-)

To all those who now are losing their assets, what did you think when you shrugged of the warnings that capitalism might betray you as well quicker than anyone could expect? How did it feel to ridicule those of us who chose not to participate any longer in this failed system as "losers"? Why did you resent those who felt your pain before you did?

It turns out capitalism is just a subprime mortgage on the planet. This Earth belongs to all of us and will continue to do so forever. No generation has a right to exploit its resources as if there was no tomorrow, and if one does nevertheless it will only produce losers. Now we will see whether the markets will be able to compete with the right not to participate.

A really, really for real troll. I might add a really, really for real shithead.

1001 Sheepdogess  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:41:17pm

re: #968 Sacred Plants

Communism is not good for children and other living things.

1002 Dragonwolf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:41:48pm

re: #985 jcm

So when I labor, sow, weed, water and harvest. You own a part of my product for doing nothing?

Didn't you get the memo?

/sarcasm

1003 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:42:09pm

re: #995 Chicago Blonde

Yeah, I work out when I get stressed...

*sigh* not enough evidently...

1004 Maximu§  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:42:19pm

re: #968 Sacred Plants

This must be a conspiracy, or do you know any communist who owns stocks? ;-)

To all those who now are losing their assets, what did you think when you shrugged of the warnings that capitalism might betray you as well quicker than anyone could expect? How did it feel to ridicule those of us who chose not to participate any longer in this failed system as "losers"? Why did you resent those who felt your pain before you did?

It turns out capitalism is just a subprime mortgage on the planet. This Earth belongs to all of us and will continue to do so forever. No generation has a right to exploit its resources as if there was no tomorrow, and if one does nevertheless it will only produce losers. Now we will see whether the markets will be able to compete with the right not to participate.

STFU Pothead!

1005 SurferDoc  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:42:27pm

Trollin', trollin', trollin'
Keep them lefties trollin'
Rawhiiiiiide!

Yee Ha.

1006 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:42:37pm

re: #989 Cognito

And thank goodness you're at it, Walter.

I'm sorry Cog, I missed your first post to me. I didn't mean to ignore you, I was getting really busy with replying to answers to my comment about the "so-called" red water. So, let me respond.

FUCK OFF COG.

1007 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:42:42pm

re: #968 Sacred Plants

You really need to go talk to some people who have actually lived under communism. Better yet, read the Black Book of Communism.
Capitalism survived the Great Depression, and all the ones before it and after it, and it will survive this.

1008 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:42:43pm

Off to pick up pizza to feed the starving masses at home.

/BBL, maybe

1009 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:42:46pm

Really. What the heck was that?

1010 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:43:15pm

re: #1001 Sheepdogess

Communism is not good for children and other living things.

Only because we haven't had Barack Obama to implement it before///

1011 Lincolntf  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:43:31pm

Hi all.
I know I'm late to the thread but I wonder how often the MSM will refer to "lows not seen since the Clinton Admin." when referring to the recent stock market declines.

Realwest, you here?

1012 OldLineTexan  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:43:36pm

re: #1009 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Really. What the heck was that?

Tune in, turn on, drop out.

/Timothy Leary's DEAD, Jim
//really gone now

1013 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:43:37pm

re: #994 opnion

But , they are coming across the Border & head off to Phoenix to sell their goods.

yes I know...I was thinking about NG troops with regard to tourists in the city....you have no argument from me....the Sonoran desert is a fine place to shoot, maneuver, shoot again, overwhelm and kill...

1014 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:43:45pm
1015 Bob Z  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:44:29pm

Bring back President Bush

1016 Digital Display  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:44:36pm

re: #986 Fighton03

then why do you own it?

Collectors item..You don't think the hoopster bought a handgun to kill someone did you? I don't go to sleep with a pistol under my pillow..
That's just me...

1017 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:44:42pm

re: #968 Sacred Plants

A Potemkin village is missing its idiot.

1018 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:44:46pm

re: #1002 Dragonwolf

Didn't you get the memo?

/sarcasm

I'm still working off the memo dated July 4, 1776.
:-)

1019 FrogMarch  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:44:57pm

re: #913 Walter L. Newton


This is not the work of a idealistic kindly-hearted addled old man. This is an actual scripted revolution.

You can bank on what I am saying.

I doubt you will find anyone who will disagree.

1020 screaming_eagle  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:45:11pm

re: #1000 Soona'

A really, really for real troll. I might add a really, really for real shithead.

But dude you don't unstand. Just think.. .. like .. uh.. and , but it might be.. man we need to ;shit where am I?

1021 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:45:15pm

re: #1004 Maximu§

STFU Pothead!

it's not that, he misunderstands capitalism with regard to the computer he is posting with....oh well

1022 jcm  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:45:18pm

re: #1017 Chicago Blonde

A Potemkin village is missing its idiot.

Now that's a bumper sticker!

1023 Cognito  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:45:18pm

re: #1006 Walter L. Newton

I'm sorry Cog, I missed your first post to me. I didn't mean to ignore you, I was getting really busy with replying to answers to my comment about the "so-called" red water. So, let me respond.

FUCK OFF COG.

Mmm. Well rendered. Difficult to see any other viable opinion, when you put it that way.

1024 Gort  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:45:20pm

/// Plants are people too !

1025 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:45:39pm

re: #968 Sacred Plants

I dunno, you're participating in "the system" quite nicely having purchased a PC and subscribed to an ISP. I'd even wager you have a........JOB. Way to go, Smokey! Ronald Reagan would be so proud of you!

1026 LGoPs  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:45:43pm

re: #968 Sacred Plants

It turns out capitalism is just a subprime mortgage on the planet. This Earth belongs to all of us and will continue to do so forever. No generation has a right to exploit its resources as if there was no tomorrow, and if one does nevertheless it will only produce losers. Now we will see whether the markets will be able to compete with the right not to participate.

If you want my piece of earth you can come and fucking get it yourself. Don't be a pussy and have the government get it for you.....

1027 Bloodnok  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:46:21pm

re: #1015 Bob Z

Bring back President Bush

I'd settle for Barney the Scottish Terrier.

1028 soxfan4life  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:46:36pm

re: #1015 Bob Z

Bring back Presidents Bush

1029 Chicago Blonde  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:47:14pm

re: #1022 jcm

Now that's a bumper sticker!

As is your avatar... :)

1030 albusteve  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:47:24pm

re: #1026 LGoPs

It turns out capitalism is just a subprime mortgage on the planet. This Earth belongs to all of us and will continue to do so forever. No generation has a right to exploit its resources as if there was no tomorrow, and if one does nevertheless it will only produce losers. Now we will see whether the markets will be able to compete with the right not to participate.

If you want my piece of earth you can come and fucking get it yourself. Don't be a pussy and have the government get it for you.....

well...no veggie burrito for you....

1031 opnion  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:47:25pm

re: #1013 albusteve

yes I know...I was thinking about NG troops with regard to tourists in the city....you have no argument from me....the Sonoran desert is a fine place to shoot, maneuver, shoot again, overwhelm and kill...


My misunderstanding, but I am not so sure that NG vehicle patrols in Phoenix proper are such a bad thing. The down side is that tourists would freak.
The big problem will be if the narco gangs topple the Mexican Government. We could never handle all of the refugees.

1032 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:47:36pm
1033 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:48:45pm