Ouch. The Dow closed down by ~300 points, bottoming at 6762, the lowest level since 1997. Obviously bad news for folks invested in the stock market, and not exactly a vote of confidence for the Obama administration. Here’s an open thread to discuss…
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:04:11pm |
Apparently "change we can believe in" is Obamese for "demise of stock market".
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Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:04:32pm |
Hey, all you hotshots with your fancy Google stock and your GM stock....you will soon be joining me, the largest holder of Amalgamated Buggy Whip stock. Welcome to the bottom. Take your shoes off, stay a-while.
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just another four-letter word Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:04:32pm |
I quit checking my 401K *months* ago.
Funny how the Stock Market is not listening to Prez. Hopey-Change, innit?
JAFLW
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:04:35pm |
No comment. It speaks for itself.
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Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:23pm |
Obama won! Happy days are here again!
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Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:26pm |
I'll bet their starting up another conga line at the WH to celebrate how quickly their plan is coming together.
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Devil's Advocate Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:31pm |
Change you can believe in.
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Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:33pm |
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chicagodudewhotrades Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:34pm |
This isn't freefall anymore. It is more like HALO
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Kailen Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:35pm |
But Obama signed the stimulus package. This wasn't supposed to happen! The Messiah was supposed to fix everything just by being elected! Woe is us, the end times are at hand!
*Ahem* Anyway, things are only going to get worse before it gets better. Especially with no conservative leadership in sight.
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DisturbedEma Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:37pm |
Doesn't wall street know you have to lose money to make money in the new world disorder?
And water is dry and the desert is cold too. . .
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Dianna Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:38pm |
I need my pepcid.
And I'm not exactly someone who instantly gets depressed.
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vagabond trader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:54pm |
1997 was a rather good year. This one, not so hot.
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Peacekeeper Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:05:58pm |
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just another four-letter word Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:06:04pm |
Oh, and let's keep those bailouts comin' ! !
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JAFLW
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Pullus Iulius Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:06:35pm |
To the current president: Congratulations, you stammering, stumbling buttock-head. You and all the other communist hangers-on have broken the economy. And until you abolish it - or it abolishes you - it's likely to stay broken.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:06:38pm |
More trouble from AIG today. I think Obama's tax proposal announcement last week are also having an effect.
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Opinionated Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:06:49pm |
I bought hopenchange, inc [symbol- OBAMA] and I'm down 30%
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Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:06:51pm |
re: #17 Kailen
But Obama signed the stimulus package. This wasn't supposed to happen! The Messiah was supposed to fix everything just by being elected! Woe is us, the end times are at hand!
*Ahem* Anyway, things are only going to get worse before it gets better. Especially with no conservative leadership in sight.
I guess his Jedi Mind Tricks do not work on everyone
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Salem Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:07:02pm |
Seems like they've reigned in the after-the-bell ticking, lately.
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FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:07:08pm |
Punish the productive and watch Rome fall. That's the Obama/Rahm plan.
We are f*cked.
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Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:07:41pm |
re: #13 Russkilitlover
their s/b they're - sloppy, sloppy Russkilitlover! [slapping myself silly]
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DisturbedEma Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:07:43pm |
re: #27 Desert Dog
I guess his Jedi Mind Tricks do not work on everyone
not without the kool aid mind softener. . .
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deWildcats Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:07:57pm |
We won't see 6800 again until CHANGE leaves office
But where is the bottom?
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subsailor68 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:08:21pm |
re: #16 chicagodudewhotrades
This isn't freefall anymore. It is more like HALO
Yeah, we started out at altitude, but I don't think the chute's opened yet.
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vagabond trader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:08:49pm |
Yes, everyone in America must be made a victim so big gov can become our loving nanny.
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just another four-letter word Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:09:01pm |
re: #16 chicagodudewhotrades
This isn't freefall anymore. It is more like HALO
Are you sure the parachute is gonna open? Who packed it?
JAFLW
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Bob Dillon Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:09:08pm |
Zer0 and Congress are just getting warmed-up. I'd guess we have another ~30% negative to go. And I sure hope I'm wrong.
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Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:09:08pm |
News from Bloomberg is calling this a bear market for 2 more years.
TOP STORIES/MOST READ ON BLOOMBERGVIX Premium Shows Stocks Bear Market Lasting 2 Years
Options investors are paying twice this decade’s average to protect against losses in U.S. stocks through 2011, signaling the bear market that already wiped out $10.4 trillion of equity value may last two more years.
I'm thinking it will last 4 years with Obama in the White House.
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Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:09:20pm |
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rawmuse Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:09:32pm |
Wow. What an idiot I was to work and save and invest all my life.
At least I will have plenty of time to recover my losses.
Oh wait, I won't, unless I work until I am 90.
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Roses Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:09:40pm |
Devastating. But Obama has essentially declared war on his own people, on his highest producers, the engine that runs the economy.
He is the rancher, eating his seed corn, slaughtering his milk cows for meat, killing his bulls, consuming everything of value - He, with the legislators in their drunken spending orgy is mortgaging future revenues and will sell everything that is not bolted down before they get out of office.
And he has the activist orgs spouting lovely mission statements to lull the American public into complacency, farm life is so beautiful and bucolic after all.
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DisturbedEma Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:09:59pm |
re: #39 vagabond trader
Yes, everyone in America must be made a victim so big gov can become our loving nanny.
As Jefferson said;
A government large enough to give you everything you want is large enough to take all you have away. . .
devil is in the details. . .and the fine print. . .
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Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:10:13pm |
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Ben Hur Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:10:15pm |
This is all happening because George Bush cut taxes on the RICH!
/The One.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:10:29pm |
Karl Rove, dressed in a black body suit and a ninja mask was seen sneaking away from Wall Street earlier....
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:10:58pm |
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Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:11:23pm |
re: #46 rawmuse
Wow. What an idiot I was to work and save and invest all my life.
At least I will have plenty of time to recover my losses.
Oh wait, I won't, unless I work until I am 90.
See ya at Wal-Mart...I call the morning greeter position.....you'll have to pick up 2nd shift....sorry
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:11:31pm |
This has to be a Socialist economy when people are "grateful" when the Down closes down less than 300 points.
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:11:48pm |
I wonder what's the inflation rate? It says here it was .03% in January...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:11:53pm |
re: #46 rawmuse
Those of us who have lived just at the edge of our means are feelin' a bit smug.
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yma o hyd Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:11:56pm |
re: #36 subsailor68
Yeah, we started out at altitude, but I don't think the chute's opened yet.
Will take quite some time befor it opens.
I think traders are slowly doing the calculations which Congress hasn't been doing, and the reality is hitting them.
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Opinionated Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:12:10pm |
re: #44 Gus 802
News from Bloomberg is calling this a bear market for 2 more years.
I'm thinking it will last 4 years with Obama in the White House.
Maybe it will go up when Republicans take the Congress in 2010.
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astronmr20 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:12:14pm |
re: #55 FurryOldGuyJeans
This has to be a Socialist economy when people are "grateful" when the Down closes down less than 300 points.
I wouldn't say anyone is really "grateful" today...
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:12:15pm |
re: #44 Gus 802
News from Bloomberg is calling this a bear market for 2 more years.
I'm thinking it will last 4 years with Obama in the White House.
An increase in the Republicans in Congress could temper it, and maybe even end the bear.
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Bob Dillon Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:12:31pm |
re: #46 rawmuse
Wow. What an idiot I was to work and save and invest all my life.
At least I will have plenty of time to recover my losses.
Oh wait, I won't, unless I work until I am 90.
At least you love what you do. ;-)
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Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:12:46pm |
re: #59 Opinionated
Maybe it will go up when Republicans take the Congress in 2010.
True. There you go. 2 years!
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subsailor68 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:13:07pm |
re: #58 yma o hyd
Will take quite some time befor it opens.
I think traders are slowly doing the calculations which Congress hasn't been doing, and the reality is hitting them.
And sadly, I think you're absolutely right.
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Dianna Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:13:09pm |
re: #26 Peacekeeper
Whoa. I thought you wrote period.
Well, then I could be highly emotional and do the rending of clothes and heaping of ashes on my head.
It wouldn't help me, or the market, but it'd sure be entertaining for any witnesses.
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Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:13:26pm |
re: #61 CyanSnowHawk
Indeed, let us hope. 2 years of this is going to be brutal though.
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NortonPete Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:13:50pm |
This is bad for everyone whether directly invested or not. Corporate America is now worth essentially 1/2 what it was worth last year. Add in the value of America's real estate and the the entire country is essentially worth 1/2 as much as last year. Not good.
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Jhn1 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:13:54pm |
Maybe the people with money feel that the Government is going to confiscate that value if it is in the market, and don't want to make that "gift".
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:13:59pm |
He's gonna chaaaange it...
re-araaaange it....
-creepy child singing voice
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jamgarr Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:14:48pm |
re: #71 Occasional Reader
He's gonna chaaaange it...
re-araaaange it....-creepy child singing voice
Throw him out the door
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brent Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:15:28pm |
Dow below 7,000 on AIG, bank concerns
I love how Yahoo couches that - there were bank concerns last year, you tools. What's different, why does it go down every time our Big Brother opens his gob?
We don't think these jokers know what they're doing. Report that, or STFU.
Upside is that they'll go down as losers, another reminder of what happens when you give these cats the reigns and your checkbooks.
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red satellite Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:15:35pm |
401K------->301K-------->201K--------101K-------->NOK
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:15:36pm |
Koskidz....
F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already?
fuck the dow. it's time the professional investors come down to earth and live like we do and we have for the last decade... wondering where their next paycheck comes from, is their job, home, lifestyle secure...
maybe then we can reset our priorities as a people and adjust our goals as a society
security of all over greed...
standard of living over lifestyles of the rich and jones's...
healthcare for my parents instead of BMW's for Wall Street...
basic dignity over outright greed...
job growth over outsourcing...the people are speaking, they're tired of the 'dow' lifestyle, it's time for a revolution, and it's time for the people to benefit in this economy and the dow to adjust to reality...
fuck greed
fuck the dow
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DaddyG Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:15:40pm |
How do you say "Do you want fries with that?" in Mandarin?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:15:40pm |
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VioletTiger Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:15:43pm |
re: #71 Occasional Reader
He's gonna chaaaange it...
re-araaaange it....-creepy child singing voice
Change it back!
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looking closely Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:15:44pm |
I wasn't going to retire in the next 5-10 years anyway, so I can take the blow to my 401ks.
But my personal account is absolutely *devastated*. I've been hit so hard its embarrassing.
My question is, Is Obama and his team so clueless they don't know how to buffer the market slide, or are they actually doing this on purpose?
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DisturbedEma Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:09pm |
re: #62 Bobibutu
At least you love what you do. ;-)
Would you like fries with that? I start next week Monday. . .best I can do until I get a job in my field- I believe I have been umm, er, um Rove balled, ew, um, RINO balled, double ew. . .um, well, the color of coal balled in the field. . .
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:15pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
"it's time the professional investors come down to earth and live like we do and we have for the last decade"
On Mommy & Daddy's trust fund?
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Mike McDaniel Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:22pm |
Welcome to the Democrat Depression.
It will end when the Dems are thrown out of office.
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:26pm |
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Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:36pm |
re: #69 NortonPete
This is bad for everyone whether directly invested or not. Corporate America is now worth essentially 1/2 what it was worth last year. Add in the value of America's real estate and the the entire country is essentially worth 1/2 as much as last year. Not good.
Well, it could be worse. We could have a President and Congress that is hell bent on higher taxes on the most productive segment of society so they can give it to the least productive.
/
In a few years, we will all be longing for the days when we had it so good in March of 2009....
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rawmuse Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:38pm |
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Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:16:57pm |
No wait! The big news with the liberal bastion the Huffington Post has the Steele/Limbaugh debacle over the DOW.
Lame. Typical liberal obsessions.
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looking closely Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:17:14pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
Koskidz....
F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already?
These people are idiots.
Strike that, they're probably unemployed, since they obviously don't have retirement accounts or know anyone productively employed who does.
They won't be feeling the pain, until the price of weed goes up.
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brookly red Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:17:25pm |
What is there to discuss?
We are all being forced into dependence on the government. IMHO.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:17:28pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
Notice the rating on the "tip jar" (1st comment). (202+ / 0-)
This was on the recommended list until the admins took it down.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:17:33pm |
re: #84 Caton
Yeah. Won't stay long, though. How are you?
Okay, all things considered.
I quoted you not long ago, on something IDF related, I can't recall what.
Are you still in the US, or did you make the switch to Israel?
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Peacekeeper Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:17:53pm |
This was a long time coming. A bipartisan disaster.
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just another four-letter word Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:18:05pm |
Methinks the current Dumbocrat-controlled House/Senate are not going to last more than two years. The Uhhhhhhbama and the Court Clowns have done so much damage so quickly that the pain is going to be felt long before the elections in two years, and then the jerks in office aren't going to be able to cover their messes up with a rug or two.
If our country can last two years, the next set of elections are gonna be interesting, to say the least...
JAFLW
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Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:18:11pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
Koskidz....
F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already?
I see that class in Macro-Economics that "diarist" took at the local community college did not quite sink in, did it?
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:18:29pm |
re: #80 looking closely
I wasn't going to retire in the next 5-10
yearsdecades anyway, so I can take the blow to my 401ks.
Fixed it for you.
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Ben Hur Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:18:35pm |
Rich People Disgust me... (0+ / 0-)
Greed, for lack of a better word, is BAD!I spit on BMW and Lexus, etc, and all the people who drive them...
You can wipe you A$$ with your Douche bag & Garbanzo, your DKDC (Don't Know, Don't Care), your Aero Pustule, your Dummy Booger Flinger
Hey, I think I just got an idea for Mock Offs. Maybe I'll call them Label Conscience...
I spit on BMW and Lexus, etc, and all the people who drive them...
How many jobs lost does that equal?
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VioletTiger Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:18:44pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
And there you have a large part of the problem. Losers like KosKids who think it is only the rich who have investments can't imagine that there are everyday men and women with investments, retirement savings. Savings and personal responsibility have no meaning in their lives.
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Ben Hur Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:14pm |
Let's not use KosKidz ignorance as an excuse to bash WEED.
Thank you.
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DisturbedEma Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:17pm |
re: #94 Occasional Reader
Okay, all things considered.
I quoted you not long ago, on something IDF related, I can't recall what.
Are you still in the US, or did you make the switch to Israel?
Hello Canton!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:22pm |
re: #99 Ben Hur
The comments on that are hilarious.
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notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:25pm |
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Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:29pm |
re: #82 Occasional Reader
"it's time the professional investors come down to earth and live like we do and we have for the last decade"
On Mommy & Daddy's trust fund?
If that moron could not make money in the last decade - one of the biggest booming economies known to history, then it has ZERO chance of anything OTHER than complete government care. Effin' loser!
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:33pm |
baRock oBottom (NYSE:HOPE) -18.33% since 01/20/2009
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yma o hyd Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:34pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
Charming.
Basically they say 'fuck everybody who has worked and saved - give it here, to me'.
Well - if this goes on they won't have time to spend in their basements in front of their PCs, writing drivel, they'll have to actually do some proper work.
No 'greed', no money to be taxed, thus no money to be given to KosKidz.
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RondinellaMamma Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:34pm |
Here's how to prosper in the face of this Cloward-Piven Strategy being conducted by Obama:
Run a pool (like all those football pools that spring up around Super Bowl time...) - participants bet on how low the Dow will tank each time Obama opens his mouth - whoever guesses the exact number of points, wins!
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Opinionated Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:34pm |
Everyone was mad at Republicans and wanted back the good ole Clinton years.
So that's what we've got.
The market is back to Clinton years levels.
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subsailor68 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:19:36pm |
re: #97 Desert Dog
I see that class in Macro-Economics that "diarist" took at the local community college did not quite sink in, did it?
Oh fine. Thanks. Just thanks a lot. Here I was all ready to get my blood boiling over those morons and you come along and make me blow coffee out of my nose.
Totally LOL!
:-)
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:20:03pm |
re: #94 Occasional Reader
Okay, all things considered.
I quoted you not long ago, on something IDF related, I can't recall what.
Are you still in the US, or did you make the switch to Israel?
Right now I'm back in France.
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DaddyG Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:20:13pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
Koskidz....
www.dailykos.com...]>it's time the professional investors come down to earth and live like we do and we have for the last decade... A>
...do they mean professional investors should live in their parents basement scarfing down twinkies and getting high, or perhaps they meant borrowing mommy and daddys gold card and following a grateful dead tribute band around the country?
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Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:20:24pm |
22:20 U.S. State Dept.: We urge Israel, Palestinians not to exacerbate tensions (Haaretz)
Pardon me, but who's firing the missiles ass holes?
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Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:20:30pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
Amazing. Illustrates how the Kos-Idiots haven't the slightest clue of how this economy works. How the DOW is tied in with peoples retirement accounts. Without a robust DOW you can't support the socialist programs they promote. Unless of course you create capital out of thin air. They tried that in the "former" USSR and are still trying it in North Korea and Cuba.
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Harry Tuttle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:20:31pm |
Posted for no other reason:
I flew all the way from Flagstaff, Arizona to Phoenix, Arizona because my manager doesn't own a globe. We took off from the Flagstaff Airport, Hair Care and Tire Center there. The plane was really small, like a pack of gum with eight people in it, going (imitates sound of a tiny airplane) half the speed of smell. We got passed by a kite. There was a goose behind us, the pilot was screaming, "Go around! Go around!" On the way there, we lost some oil pressure in one of the engines, so we had to turn around. It's a 9-minute flight. Can't pull it off with this equipment. And they told us about it over the speaker system of the plane, which was stupid because they coulda just went (looks backward) "Hey, we lost some oil pressure." [gives a thumbs-up] Heard ya! Sure did. of course, I'd been drinking since lunch, so I was like "take it down, I don't care. Hit somethin' hard, I don't wanna limp away from this piece of shit." The guy sitting next to me is losing his mind. Apparently, he had a lot to live for. He turns to me, he says "Hey man! [gasps for air] Hey, man! Hey, man! [gasps for air] If one of these engines fails, [gasps for air] how far will the other one take us?" So I was like, "All the way to the scene of the crash! Which is pretty handy, 'cause that's where we're headed. I bet we beat the paramedics there by a half-hour! We're haulin ass!"
-Ron White
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NortonPete Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:20:38pm |
re: #86 Desert Dog
I suppose that the checks and balances in this scenario is that the Dems have Congress and the White House but all the money appears to be in the process of disappearing.
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Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:20:48pm |
re: #101 VioletTiger
And there you have a large part of the problem. Losers like KosKids who think it is only the rich who have investments can't imagine that there are everyday men and women with investments, retirement savings. Savings and personal responsibility have no meaning in their lives.
I guess they will all wait for the homeless guy down at the shelter to start up a new company and hire them? Or, perhaps they are waiting for a cushy government job? Or, nevermind the job, just fill out the UB40 and wait for the dole checks to start coming in......
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Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:20:49pm |
re: #89 taxfreekiller
Keep your eyes on California, its Democrat Commie Ground Zero.
It is 100% Bankrupt, only this fed. bail out kept it from insolvency.
Well, that PLUS an average of $1,500 per family in increased taxes.
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Opinionated Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:21:07pm |
re: #114 Nevergiveup
22:20 U.S. State Dept.: We urge Israel, Palestinians not to exacerbate tensions (Haaretz)
Pardon me, but who's firing the missiles ass holes?
Presidents come and go, the State Dept remain assholes.
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mfarmer1 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:21:25pm |
Tech bubble. Housing bubble. Stock market bubble. If there is a silver lining here, it's that we will be forced to produce goods and services again instead of relying upon hocus pocus financial gimmicks. People will be forced to live within their means again as well. Eventually the government will too, but not until these payoffs and bribes work their way through the system bleeding us dry and there's nothing left to take. Interesting times ahead to say the least.
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Sancho_Pansa Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:21:26pm |
Don't we dare blame Obama & his policies. It's just those unpatriotic rich people taking the money elsewhere. ///
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gearhead Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:21:39pm |
re: #77 DaddyG
How do you say "Do you want fries with that?" in Mandarin?
Here it is phonetically :
Hai voe ted fur O bah mah.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:22:01pm |
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Gretchen Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:22:20pm |
It is getting hard to believe the Obama administration is merely incompetent, this is the desired effect.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:22:48pm |
re: #112 Caton
Right now I'm back in France.
Huh. Well, say "hi" for us. They do definitely have the hottest First Lady, anyway.
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Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:22:48pm |
OK someone has a clue over at Kos:
But that is bullshit. We are all interconnected. If the financial system fails then credit evaporates and we are all fucked. This isn't about us vs. them. This is about the economic infrastucture of the greatest economy in the history of the world being shaky. If the market collapses then it is the middle class that will be hurt the most, as we will lose our jobs even faster.
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Max Darkside Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:22:56pm |
re: #80 looking closely
My question is, Is Obama and his team so clueless they don't know how to buffer the market slide, or are they actually doing this on purpose?
A bit of both. It serves their purpose. Grow gov't, get you on the dole so they have power over you.
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IslandLibertarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:03pm |
O-BUMMER! bumper stickers @ $1.50 ea.
I'll make TRILLION$!
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Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:07pm |
re: #16 chicagodudewhotrades
This isn't freefall anymore. It is more like HALO
More like HANO.
/High Altitude No Opening
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Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:17pm |
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albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:19pm |
well ya gotta give BO credit...he hit another one outa the park today
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:22pm |
I snuck back here because I need some sanity. The market is tanking, I'm worried about our future, and people don't get it. I looked up The Power of Nightmares - I was curious - and it got a 9 out of 10 rating on IMDB -- even though it says terrorism is largely a creation of Western Leaders to keep us in line.
We're in trouble, aren't we?
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z9z99 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:30pm |
A pertinent quote from Theodore Roosevelt, April 23, 1910:
Of one man in especial, beyond any one else, the citizens of a republic should beware, and that is of the man who appeals to them to support him on the ground that he is hostile to other citizens of the republic, that he will secure for those who elect him, in one shape or another, profit at the expense of other citizens of the republic. It makes no difference whether he appeals to class hatred or class interest, to religious or antireligious prejudice. The man who makes such an appeal should always be presumed to make it for the sake of furthering his own interest. The very last thing an intelligent and self-respecting member of a democratic community should do is to reward any public man because that public man says that he will get the private citizen something to which this private citizen is not entitled, or will gratify some emotion or animosity which this private citizen ought not to possess.
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:50pm |
re: #127 Occasional Reader
Huh. Well, say "hi" for us. They do definitely have the hottest First Lady, anyway.
Yeah, too bad she's slightly to the left of The One.
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FightingBack Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:23:57pm |
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just another four-letter word Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:08pm |
re: #110 Opinionated
Everyone was mad at Republicans and wanted back the good ole Clinton years.
So that's what we've got.
The market is back to Clinton years levels.
Geez, I can hardly wait until it hits the Jimmah Cottuh levels!
Not.
JAFLW
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Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:08pm |
Lindsay Lohan said converting to Judaism for girlfriend Samantha Ronson
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Please no, we got enough baggage.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:14pm |
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:14pm |
re: #122 mfarmer1
So, we've spawned an army of Bubbleheads.
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brent Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:31pm |
I wasn't going to retire in the next 5-10 years decades anyway, so I can take the blow to my 401ks.
I think that may be the correct answer.
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eschew_obfuscation Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:33pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
More trouble from AIG today. I think Obama's tax proposal announcement last week are also having an effect.
Yeah, this would be a fabulous time to scare capital away from U.S. markets by increasing the capital gains tax to 20% and corporate income tax rates to 39%. The market just doesn't understand how good this is for its future. ///
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Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:41pm |
re: #122 mfarmer1
Tech bubble. Housing bubble. Stock market bubble. If there is a silver lining here, it's that we will be forced to produce goods and services again instead of relying upon hocus pocus financial gimmicks. People will be forced to live within their means again as well. Eventually the government will too, but not until these payoffs and bribes work their way through the system bleeding us dry and there's nothing left to take. Interesting times ahead to say the least.
You could see that housing bubble coming from a mile away.....prices here in Phoenix went up so fast and so high, anyone could see it was going to come crashing down....but, that did not stop A LOT of people here from buying up houses they knew were way over priced. I am just happy I've owned my for years. Otherwise, I'd be in a heap of trouble.....
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FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:48pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
Yes. Putting money into investments for retirement is sooooo greedy.
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Ben Hur Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:51pm |
OK.
NOw bringing the Grateful Dead into it, eh?
Let's all just throttle back a little bit, OK.
Weed and the Dead are not making these people idiots.
Here's a good comment:
Is this the dumbest diatribe yet? (5+ / 0-)
Recommended by:irmaly, Inland, skymutt, snkscore, Trobone
These are American investors you're talking about. All your friends and neighbors. Your parents. Your friends. Your teachers.When you want "the Dow" to fall, you want them to fail.
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DisturbedEma Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:53pm |
re: #137 Caton
Yeah, too bad she's slightly to the left of The One.
mercy, does she also have a great personality. . .
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midwestgak Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:24:55pm |
James West
The prospect of the United States defaulting on its debt is not just likely. It's inevitable, and imminent.
Read on if you dare.
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Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:04pm |
re: #144 taxfreekiller
Some one make an excuse for these dumb ass liberal commie Democrats now.
"Its Bush's fault!"
/
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Perplexed Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:14pm |
IT IS THE ECONOMY STUPID.
Sorry for the all caps, but those words will come back to haunt them.
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opnion Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:14pm |
Obama needs to exhibit some optimism & quit talking down the economy.
The doom & gloom is oppressive.
If, however he is trying to totally trash the economy,so that the people beg for his vision of Socialism, he is doing well. Personally I think that he is out to destroy things.
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:24pm |
re: #140 just another four-letter word
Geez, I can hardly wait until it hits the Jimmah Cottuh levels!
Two weeks.
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rawmuse Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:31pm |
re: #129 Max Darkside
Self reliance is the enemy of Collectivism. All must be made to be dependent on the State.
Sorry if I seem dark lately, but I know a little too much about these assholes to even begin to delude myself that their intentions are any thing other than my darkest suspicions.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:33pm |
re: #137 Caton
Yeah, too bad she's slightly to the left of The One.
I'm much more willing to forgive, in her case. As long as she keeps bein' sexy n' stuff.
Ah, since we last spoke, I've 1) gotten married, and 2) become a gun owner (not necessarily in that order).
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Maximu§ Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:35pm |
re: #108 yma o hyd
Charming.
Basically they say 'fuck everybody who has worked and saved - give it here, to me'.Well - if this goes on they won't have time to spend in their basements in front of their PCs, writing drivel, they'll have to actually do some proper work.
No 'greed', no money to be taxed, thus no money to be given to KosKidz.
You know, I pay my bills on time and I bet there are alot of people like me who are wondering why we have to bail out the people who screwed up?
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Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:44pm |
re: #142 Occasional Reader
Possible budding conservative?
Possibly. Or someone that accepts reality which is hard to find amongst clueless leftist kids.
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FightingBack Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:25:58pm |
re: #141 Nevergiveup
Lindsay Lohan said converting to Judaism for girlfriend Samantha Ronson
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Please no, we got enough baggage.
is she the one who doesn't eat?
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yma o hyd Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:26:16pm |
re: #114 Nevergiveup
22:20 U.S. State Dept.: We urge Israel, Palestinians not to exacerbate tensions (Haaretz)
Pardon me, but who's firing the missiles ass holes?
In the mind of all those nations who are pledging billions of $$$ to re-build Gaza, the hamasholes are not firing missiles!
Thats evil Israeli propaganda to exacerbate the tensions.
////
(Over 100 missiles fired since the end of Operation Cast Lead, according to Israelicool. Nothing to see - move on.)
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HelloDare Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:26:24pm |
re: #141 Nevergiveup
Lindsay Lohan said converting to Judaism for girlfriend Samantha Ronson
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Please no, we got enough baggage.
Converting from what, Lohanamanism?
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:26:24pm |
Not only do I miss George W. Bush, but I am even starting to miss Bill Clinton.
Say what you want about the guy, but he never went for the "compound an economic crisis to grow the government" crap that Emanuel, Axelrod, Obama, Pelosi and Reid have cooked up.
What ever happened to centrist Democrats? Are you people going to let a guy destroy the country and mortgage the future for generations because you found a charismatic associate law professor who can allay your white guilt?
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:26:37pm |
re: #148 FrogMarch
Yes. Putting money into investments for retirement is sooooo greedy.
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gearhead Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:26:44pm |
re: #142 Occasional Reader
Possible budding conservative?
A new sub-group known as Obama Republicans.
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Gretchen Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:27:05pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
Koskidz....
F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already?
Note to Kos Kid: You win we'll all be unemployed like you soon enough. Who will pay for our entitlements?
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Harry Tuttle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:27:18pm |
re: #146 eschew_obfuscation
Yeah, this would be a fabulous time to scare capital away from U.S. markets by increasing the capital gains tax to 20% and corporate income tax rates to 39%. The market just doesn't understand how good this is for its future. ///
I heard some dick-wad on the radio this afternoon talking about how a cut in capital gains taxes won't help because no-one has any gains to reap the benefits of a tax cut on.
Are they really that fucking stoopid? I mean really?
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nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:27:42pm |
re: #126 Gretchen
It is getting hard to believe the Obama administration is merely incompetent, this is the desired effect.
is O even addressing this catastrophe ? (wringing his hands somewhere?)
is he even concerned? sure doesn't seem so.
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Logic Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:27:43pm |
In an earlier post, I said I thought the DOW would go below 5000 this year... now I think it'll be sooner than later. We may even go to 4000. What's scary is that Obama doesn't even seem to care about what's happening with the Stock Market - in fact, it may be a part of his plan to bring about the complete ruin of Wall Street! It truly makes me wonder if he plans to tear it down in order to do the "rebuilding" he touts.
I really am not one to subscribe to conspiracy theories, but this almost daily onslaught of unprecedented spending, government expansion, assaults on the Constitution and financial upheaval makes me wonder if the “change” the Obama administration seeks to bring about is truly the end of capitalism as we know it. Here is a discussion of “debauching the currency” by none other than Keynes himself:
“Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalist System was to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. – As the inflation proceeds and the real value of the currency fluctuates wildly from month to month, all permanent relations between debtors and creditors, which form the ultimate foundation of capitalism, become so utterly disordered as to be almost meaningless; and the process of wealth-getting degenerates into a gamble and a lottery.
“Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose.”
(For those interested, here’s the article from which this excerpt is taken: Keynes)
If the value of the dollar collapses into nothingness, we are all in deep, deep trouble…
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DaddyG Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:27:47pm |
re: #141 Nevergiveup
Lindsay Lohan said converting to Judaism for girlfriend Samantha Ronson
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Please no, we got enough baggage.
I thought shellfish wasn't kosher?
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Peacekeeper Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:27:47pm |
Things keep going like this and some of the Republicans may actually stop saying how much they support him.
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:27:52pm |
re: #157 Occasional Reader
I'm much more willing to forgive, in her case. As long as she keeps bein' sexy n' stuff.
Ah, since we last spoke, I've 1) gotten married, and 2) become a gun owner (not necessarily in that order).
Well, 2) Congratulations, 1) please accept my most sincere condolences.
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Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:28:04pm |
re: #156 rawmuse
Citizens found to be self-reliant will judged in violation of The State and thus classified as Obsolete!
//
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FightingBack Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:28:19pm |
Even with my eyes closed, I can see Nancy popping up and clapping.
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rockmanvermont Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:28:36pm |
I am sure glad the American people believed Obama was a better economically.After spending something like $34 Billion dollars a day(and still using the $10 billion a month in Iraq bull crap),here we are seeing new lows not experienced since the largest technological advance of mankind(the Internet,which took off in the late 90's). We must get the voters to see the light for '10,and stop/reverse this at once!
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yma o hyd Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:28:44pm |
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Kenjen Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:28:52pm |
Hurricane Obama, the costliest disaster in the history of the United States.
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Rexatosis Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:28:55pm |
We, as a nation, have got to stop electing individuals from an extremely narrow segment of the economy (lawyers) and stop re-electing politicians who have never done anything since leaving college or grad school but work in government. The founding fathers represented a broad range of the overall economy and had a broad range of professional experiences: George Washington-surveyor and militia, Ben Franklin-printing and science, Jefferson-agriculture and law, Paul Revere in MA-Silversmith, John Hancock-Merchant, Sam Adams-Brewing etc. As a result someone would inevitably understand how acts of the Continental Congress (and in the Colonial/State Legislatures) would impact almost any given segment of the economy. This is not to say they didn't screw up (Articles of Confederation) but they had a solid baseline of economic understanding from which to work and someone in Congress would have their "ox gored" from almost any economic policy so they had a self-interest in maintaining some semblence of sane economic policies. Our current Congress and POTUS are, to be nice, clueless regarding the practical application of economic policy. It behoves the electorate to stop electing bad lawyers who have been running for one office or another since they were 25-years old and start nominating and electing some citizens with some real world experience.
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vagabond trader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:28:56pm |
re: #154 opnion
Needs to go on an incommunicado vacation for about six months with his wife, veep and half of congress.
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albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:00pm |
re: #156 rawmuse
Self reliance is the enemy of Collectivism. All must be made to be dependent on the State.
Sorry if I seem dark lately, but I know a little too much about these assholes to even begin to delude myself that their intentions are any thing other than my darkest suspicions.
no problem...wealth will leave the private sector by the boatload and even then the feds will pretty much control who works and how much you keep before the rest is turned over....it's the real deal bro
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:02pm |
re: #174 FightingBack
*holds out pitcher*
Brain bleach?
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Perplexed Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:04pm |
re: #163 karmic_inquisitor
What white guilt? My last name is Ukrainian and my relatives escaped from Tsarist Russia between pogroms.
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HelloDare Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:04pm |
I don't know about you but I'm investing in Portuguese Water Dog futures.
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Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:05pm |
re: #141 Nevergiveup
Lindsay Lohan said converting to Judaism for girlfriend Samantha Ronson
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Please no, we got enough baggage.
There is a Bush joke in there somewhere.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:12pm |
re: #141 Nevergiveup
Lindsay Lohan said converting to Judaism for girlfriend Samantha Ronson
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Please no, we got enough baggage.
Well, since she doesn't eat anything, the dietary restrictions shouldn't be a problem.
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just another four-letter word Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:15pm |
re: #135 z9z99
A pertinent quote from Theodore Roosevelt, April 23, 1910:
Yeah, I see that he used the words "intelligent and self-respecting member of a democratic community".
Where can we find even ONE of those amongst the Great Unwashed Masses nowadays?
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Peacekeeper Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:35pm |
Because you had a bad day
You're taking one down
You sing a sad song just to turn it around
You say you don't know
You tell me don't lie
You work at a smile and you go for a ride
You had a bad day
The camera don't lie
You're coming back down and you really don't mind
You had a bad day
You had a bad day
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DisturbedEma Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:29:38pm |
re: #172 Caton
Well, 2) Congratulations, 1) please accept my most sincere condolences.
SNAP! Is this whackable moment?
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DisturbedEma Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:30:01pm |
re: #174 FightingBack
Even with my eyes closed, I can see Nancy popping up and clapping.
me too sheesh
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:30:05pm |
re: #169 Logic
Obama does care about what happens to the stock market.
He wants it to be completely wiped out so that he can put a new system of wealth distribution in its place.
And he needs scapegoats to do it.
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albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:30:06pm |
re: #158 Maximu§
You know, I pay my bills on time and I bet there are alot of people like me who are wondering why we have to bail out the people who screwed up?
you don't have anything to say about right now...wonder all you want
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Perplexed Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:30:33pm |
re: #169 Logic
Down an average of 100 points per day. Can't keep doing that much longer.
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Ben Hur Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:30:56pm |
re: #175 rockmanvermont
It does put an end to their, "You know what we could've done here at home with all the money going to the IRaq War?" bullsh*t.
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rawmuse Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:31:04pm |
re: #180 albusteve
It's gonna be time to cowboy up real soon.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:31:11pm |
I've already faced the fact my hubby and I will never be able to retire. Guess I should go back to school. LOL
[Link: www.pasadenastarnews.com...]
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:31:27pm |
re: #177 Kenjen
Hurricane Obama, the costliest disaster in the history of the United States.
And what is he doing about it?
Nothing.
He. Does. Not Care.
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screaming_eagle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:31:30pm |
It's all part of Obama's plan to spread the wealth around. It's much easier to just make everybody poor.
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opnion Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:31:44pm |
re: #179 vagabond trader
Needs to go on an incommunicado vacation for about six months with his wife, veep and half of congress.
Yes, in Obama's case doing nothing would be better than what he is doing.
I just don't believe that he is that out of touch. This economic destruction is willful.
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Dianna Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:31:57pm |
re: #89 taxfreekiller
Keep your eyes on California, its Democrat Commie Ground Zero.
It is 100% Bankrupt, only this fed. bail out kept it from insolvency.
Once the markets do the math and understand the Fed.'s do not have the cash flow to prop up Calif. they go under, then Obama puts the full faith and credit behind Calif. state , municipal , and county etal bonds,,,,,
on your ass until the Democrats get thrown out.
The only problem is that California pays more to the Federal budget than we get back.
When we crash, so does everyone else.
Enjoy.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:00pm |
re: #172 Caton
Ah, I remember what I wanted to ask you: Comments on Waltz With Bashir (if you've seen it), as someone who was there?
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Ben Hur Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:02pm |
re: #178 Rexatosis
We, as a nation, have got to stop electing individuals from an extremely narrow segment of the economy (lawyers) and stop re-electing politicians who have never done anything since leaving college or grad school but work in government. The founding fathers represented a broad range of the overall economy and had a broad range of professional experiences: George Washington-surveyor and militia, Ben Franklin-printing and science, Jefferson-agriculture and law, Paul Revere in MA-Silversmith, John Hancock-Merchant, Sam Adams-Brewing etc. As a result someone would inevitably understand how acts of the Continental Congress (and in the Colonial/State Legislatures) would impact almost any given segment of the economy. This is not to say they didn't screw up (Articles of Confederation) but they had a solid baseline of economic understanding from which to work and someone in Congress would have their "ox gored" from almost any economic policy so they had a self-interest in maintaining some semblence of sane economic policies. Our current Congress and POTUS are, to be nice, clueless regarding the practical application of economic policy. It behoves the electorate to stop electing bad lawyers who have been running for one office or another since they were 25-years old and start nominating and electing some citizens with some real world experience.
But The One has an exotic name and was in Pakistan for two weeks.
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VioletTiger Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:09pm |
re: #167 Harry Tuttle
I heard some dick-wad on the radio this afternoon talking about how a cut in capital gains taxes won't help because no-one has any gains to reap the benefits of a tax cut on.
Are they really that fucking stoopid? I mean really?
Yup. They are.
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snowcrash Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:24pm |
Cavuto: "Its a pig!" New $410b spending bill Obama will sign INSPITE of $7.7 billion for earmarks. 8,500 earmarks in bill.
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:29pm |
re: #188 DisturbedEma
Why marry when you can just give your house to a woman you don't like?
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Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:36pm |
re: #192 Perplexed
Down an average of 100 points per day. Can't keep doing that much longer.
/not if there's any underpinnings to our economy, the markets are ridiculously oversold
| 209 |
rawmuse Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:44pm |
re: #197 screaming_eagle
It's all part of Obama's plan to spread the wealth around. It's much easier to just make everybody poor.
Ah, I see you have been to Cuba!
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brent Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:32:56pm |
The US needs to think about making itself more anti-business, before it's too late. There's a reason why corporations are putting up offices in India instead of Detroit, and it's not all labor cost.
You get past the business owner and businessman as the enemy, and you start treating them like the solution. Government is here to serve us, not to crush us.
F the DOW? How about turning off your ipod, putting down your joystick*, and getting back to work?
Get over yourself already, you Rage Against my Allowance wannabe prophet loser(s).
* take that however you want.
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bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:33:01pm |
re: #168 nyc redneck
is O even addressing this catastrophe ? (wringing his hands somewhere?)
is he even concerned? sure doesn't seem so.
He is not concerned. He is probably plotting and has contingency spending plans ready to go through Congress if the Dow reaches 6000, 5000 etc... This is Christmas in March for him.
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Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:33:02pm |
re: #185 CyanSnowHawk
Well, since she doesn't eat anything, the dietary restrictions shouldn't be a problem.
Her girlfriend might have issue with that.
/
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Miss Molly Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:33:07pm |
The market may be in the tank but the Obama's party every Wednesday night at the White House with all their "special" friends. And "special" mivoes on the weekend. So I would guess the Obama's don't really care much what happens to the market as long as they are in the White House.
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KenJen Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:33:48pm |
re: #196 karmic_inquisitor
And what is he doing about it?
Nothing.
He. Does. Not Care.
I really dont think he knows what to do. They dont teach you these things in community organizer school.
| 215 |
albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:33:52pm |
re: #194 rawmuse
It's gonna be time to cowboy up real soon.
I'm worried sick about my kids...and then the anger kicks in....we are getting soaked in a historical way....when people wake up it will be too late
| 216 |
A.W. Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:33:53pm |
jesus, this is downright painful to watch. my job is secure, but... yike. And the most depressing thing is the whole thing was unnecessary.
| 218 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:33:58pm |
re: #202 Ben Hur
That would be funny if it weren't true. I read something written by a young woman that amounted to she couldn't wait to vote for him because he looked so cool in his sunglasses and suits.
| 219 |
CyanSnowHawk Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:34:09pm |
re: #204 snowcrash
Cavuto: "Its a pig!" New $410b spending bill Obama will sign INSPITE of $7.7 billion for earmarks. 8,500 earmarks in bill.
That's less than a million per earmark. I think we're getting a bargain.
/
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:34:23pm |
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Logic Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:34:33pm |
re: #190 karmic_inquisitor
Obama does care about what happens to the stock market.
He wants it to be completely wiped out so that he can put a new system of wealth distribution in its place.
And he needs scapegoats to do it.
An doesn't that scare the bejeezus out of you? What can be done to stop it?
| 224 |
Max Darkside Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:34:50pm |
re: #156 rawmuse
Self reliance is the enemy of Collectivism. All must be made to be dependent on the State.
Sorry if I seem dark lately, but I know a little too much about these assholes to even begin to delude myself that their intentions are any thing other than my darkest suspicions.
No worries. Pretty soon the only way to succeed is to suck up to those who will be receiving Stimulus Money... and that is what he wants, as he will take your (and your kids and your...) tax money and dole it out as he sees fit.
| 225 |
FightingBack Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:34:56pm |
re: #216 A.W.
jesus, this is downright painful to watch. my job is secure, but... yike. And the most depressing thing is the whole thing was unnecessary.
No job is safe.
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Ben Hur Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:35:10pm |
This couldn't have been unexpected, with all the "We;re all gonna die if you don't let me pass this bill" talk.
| 227 |
subsailor68 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:35:18pm |
Let's see,
The Dow tanking.
Buy American provisions (for steel etc.) in the stimulus.
Increase in taxes for the "rich", including capital gains and corporate taxes.
The stimulus package sucking up private capital for government directed projects.
Creation of "czars" and "organizations" to manage all of this.
Herbert Hoover:
Dow tanking
Creation of Smoot-Hawley tariffs
Increased taxes
Roosevelt
Dow tanking
Creation of NRA, AAA, RA, WPA, with massive funding for each
Creation of "managers" to oversee projects and supervise private industry
How'd that all work out for 'em Obama?
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littlebenny Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:35:29pm |
This all sounds like a Hollywood production
"Obama Administration: Revenge of the Undeserving"
or...
"How to Screw Up Your Economy in 3 Easy Steps"
(Bailout failed businesses, increase spending, punish success)
Oy vey, this is going to be a looooong 4 years. Gulp.
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Harry Tuttle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:35:29pm |
re: #199 opnion
Yes, in Obama's case doing nothing would be better than what he is doing.
I just don't believe that he is that out of touch. This economic destruction is willful.
Has to be. Obama is wrong but he (and his people) are not stupid.
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Perplexed Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:35:29pm |
re: #213 Miss Molly
The market may be in the tank but the Obama's party every Wednesday night at the White House with all their "special" friends. And "special" mivoes on the weekend. So I would guess the Obama's don't really care much what happens to the market as long as they are in the White House.
"....good to be the king."
Mel Brooks was right on the money.
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DisturbedEma Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:35:35pm |
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screaming_eagle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:35:44pm |
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:36:00pm |
re: #182 Perplexed
What white guilt? My last name is Ukrainian and my relatives escaped from Tsarist Russia between pogroms.
And if your family came here and made it on their own they probably aren't Democrats.
I know many "Centrist" Democrats who are white and can't help but mention Obama's race when describing the job he is doing. As if "first black president" has anything to do with job performance.
So many of them put aside their misgivings because of his skin color. They will now come to realize that they, for having supported a guy largely because of his race, will pay the price for their racism.
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midwestgak Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:36:06pm |
re: #169 Logic
“Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose.”
Hitler knew this was true and tried to bankrupt Britain by counterfeiting their currency. He would have succeeded had time been on his side.
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Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:36:17pm |
re: #216 A.W.
jesus, this is downright painful to watch. my job is secure, but... yike. And the most depressing thing is the whole thing was unnecessary.
Last December, me and a buddy went to lunch saying we were safe from layoffs because our teams were overworked and shortstaffed. He was walked out of the office 2 hours later.
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albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:36:27pm |
re: #198 Chicago Blonde
That angers me too.
the feds have no moral excuse to take so much wealth from the public to finance it's dreamworld commie ideology...it is flat out criminal regardless of any law....
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Harry Tuttle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:36:32pm |
re: #216 A.W.
jesus, this is downright painful to watch. my job is secure, but... yike. And the most depressing thing is the whole thing was unnecessary.
Only secure jobs are working for the government. (85% of the problem right there).
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:36:33pm |
re: #126 Gretchen
It is getting hard to believe the Obama administration is merely incompetent, this is the desired effect.
If this is incompetence by O, where does that put VP Biden?
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yma o hyd Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:36:43pm |
re: #151 midwestgak
James West
The prospect of the United States defaulting on its debt is not just likely. It's inevitable, and imminent.Read on if you dare.
From that link:
'The risk from security in holding physical bullion is matched by the risk of confiscation by government in these volatile times. Don’t forget, the government confiscated and outlawed private ownership of gold in 1933 in support of an ill-conceived gold standard, which to some extent, was that era’s spin to halt the flight of gold (and real value) from U.S. soil.'
... and PB0 is using FDR's playbook.
AAARRRGGGHHH
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:36:55pm |
Dammit! I just realized that I inadvertently boosted someone else's finances yesterday. I got $20 over at the self checkout at Home Depot and forgot to grab it out of the bill dispenser.
That was one expensive $2.95 bottle of weed and grass killer.
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FightingBack Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:37:20pm |
re: #238 FurryOldGuyJeans
If this is incompetence by O, where does that put VP Biden?
The Court Jester
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:37:28pm |
re: #214 KenJen
I really dont think he knows what to do. They dont teach you these things in community organizer school.
Chaos.
The left thrives on chaos.
French Revolution type chaos.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:37:46pm |
re: #212 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Her girlfriend might have issue with that.
/
Or is her girlfriend the boyfriend?
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:38:01pm |
re: #227 subsailor68
How'd that all work out for 'em Obama?
The problem is they don't teach history in school. Most people today would just think Smoot-Hawley opens for Hannah Montana.
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Golem Akbar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:38:21pm |
re: #169 Logic
In an earlier post, I said I thought the DOW would go below 5000 this year... now I think it'll be sooner than later. We may even go to 4000. What's scary is that Obama doesn't even seem to care about what's happening with the Stock Market - in fact, it may be a part of his plan to bring about the complete ruin of Wall Street! It truly makes me wonder if he plans to tear it down in order to do the "rebuilding" he touts.
I really am not one to subscribe to conspiracy theories, but this almost daily onslaught of unprecedented spending, government expansion, assaults on the Constitution and financial upheaval makes me wonder if the “change” the Obama administration seeks to bring about is truly the end of capitalism as we know it. Here is a discussion of “debauching the currency” by none other than Keynes himself:
“Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalist System was to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. – As the inflation proceeds and the real value of the currency fluctuates wildly from month to month, all permanent relations between debtors and creditors, which form the ultimate foundation of capitalism, become so utterly disordered as to be almost meaningless; and the process of wealth-getting degenerates into a gamble and a lottery.
“Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose.”
(For those interested, here’s the article from which this excerpt is taken: Keynes)
If the value of the dollar collapses into nothingness, we are all in deep, deep trouble…
You may be right. I think he may just be trying to "redo" the financial markets. Remember, George Soros is one of his biggest supporters. A redo may just include getting rid of the capitalist CEOs and replacing them with those of a more socialistic bent, like Soros. And by socialist, I mean pro-Obama.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:38:22pm |
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Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:38:26pm |
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Dianna Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:38:29pm |
re: #134 Chicago Blonde
I snuck back here because I need some sanity. The market is tanking, I'm worried about our future, and people don't get it. I looked up The Power of Nightmares - I was curious - and it got a 9 out of 10 rating on IMDB -- even though it says terrorism is largely a creation of Western Leaders to keep us in line.
We're in trouble, aren't we?
Yes.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:38:33pm |
re: #241 jpkoch
Convert all assets to cash and wait it out...
/well over six months too late for that
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:38:59pm |
re: #201 Occasional Reader
Ah, I remember what I wanted to ask you: Comments on Waltz With Bashir (if you've seen it), as someone who was there?
I haven't seen it. It ends with BBC footage of 'the aftermath of the Sabra and Shatila massacre'. 'nuff said.
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:39:00pm |
re: #222 Logic
An doesn't that scare the bejeezus out of you? What can be done to stop it?
We got an interweb.
The same one that made George Bush powerless can make Obama powerless.
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Perplexed Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:39:15pm |
re: #225 FightingBack
No job is safe.
Got to disagree with you on that one. Pimps, prostitutes, and drug dealers are pretty much safe as occupations go. Even being a race pimp Jesse, Al, etal is a pretty safe job.
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Max Darkside Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:39:22pm |
re: #241 jpkoch
Convert all assets to cash and wait it out...
Yes, for a while, then the coming inflation will eat it... so as soon as you see inflation rear its ugly head, immediately convert that cash to tangibles that will rise with inflation.
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subsailor68 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:39:25pm |
re: #246 Chicago Blonde
The problem is they don't teach history in school. Most people today would just think Smoot-Hawley opens for Hannah Montana.
That's the absolute truth you speak.
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FightingBack Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:39:36pm |
re: #251 Killian Bundy
/well over six months too late for that
And what will the cash be worth after hyperinflation?
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yma o hyd Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:39:51pm |
re: #158 Maximu§
You know, I pay my bills on time and I bet there are alot of people like me who are wondering why we have to bail out the people who screwed up?
Exactly.
And there are the pensioners who have worked hard saved, and rely on the interest on their savings - which are now in the toilet. But those who have lived comfortably on state handouts are in clover - and the pensioners support them with the taxes on their now meagre income.
Makes me effen angry.
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:39:52pm |
re: #250 Dianna
Thanks for affirming my sanity, and that cute avatar made me smile. Something had to today.
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Miss Molly Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:40:02pm |
Obama and team are well aware of what the market is doing and I get this awful feeling that they very much like it this way as it will be easier to have a redistribution of wealth on their terms when all is destroyed. Obama doesn't seem at all uneasy about all this destruction.
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VioletTiger Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:40:05pm |
re: #227 subsailor68
I think liberals must sleep throguh history class.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:40:15pm |
re: #246 Chicago Blonde
The problem is they don't teach history in school. Most people today would just think Smoot-Hawley opens for Hannah Montana.
History is taught, just history where Communism/Socialism is good and Rampant Capitalism as practiced in the US is the source of ALL the evils of the world, past, present, and future in perpetuity.
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:40:27pm |
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FightingBack Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:40:37pm |
re: #254 Perplexed
Got to disagree with you on that one. Pimps, prostitutes, and drug dealers are pretty much safe as occupations go. Even being a race pimp Jesse, Al, etal is a pretty safe job.
They'll demand payment in Gold.
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Lee Coller Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:40:43pm |
If it continues like this there's not going to be any rich for Obama to tax.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:08pm |
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bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:13pm |
I know it's not an election, but where is the RNC? They should be putting out commercials saying "Mr. Obama, IT'S NOT WORKING". Or showing the public that they have ideas how to stop this that aren't being listened to. I know this won't stop the bleeding but the Republicans should be scoring points off of Obama's idiocy.
Pundits will get shouted down and House/Senate floor speeches won't get covered by the MSM.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:20pm |
re: #261 VioletTiger
I think liberals must sleep throguh history class.
They teach history in sociology class?
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:25pm |
re: #262 FurryOldGuyJeans
History is taught, just history where Communism/Socialism is good and Rampant Capitalism as practiced in the US is the source of ALL the evils of the world, past, present, and future in perpetuity.
Makes one want to pull out the hair, doesn't it?
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subsailor68 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:43pm |
re: #241 jpkoch
Convert all assets to cash and wait it out...
I actually did that, at the height of the market. Not because I'm smart, but was splitting out trust dollars with my sister. So I'm now in cash - but don't have a clue what to do with it if Obama and/or the Fed start printing money like maniacs.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:52pm |
re: #260 Miss Molly
Obama and team are well aware of what the market is doing and I get this awful feeling that they very much like it this way as it will be easier to have a redistribution of wealth on their terms when all is destroyed. Obama doesn't seem at all uneasy about all this destruction.
He's out proselytizing for the Great Crash will all his rote preachings of Doom and Gloom.
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livefreeor die Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:53pm |
re: #80 looking closely
I wasn't going to retire in the next 5-10 years anyway, so I can take the blow to my 401ks.
But my personal account is absolutely *devastated*. I've been hit so hard its embarrassing.
My question is, Is Obama and his team so clueless they don't know how to buffer the market slide, or are they actually doing this on purpose?
I was wondering that myself the other day. It's hard to believe that this can't be intentional.
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FightingBack Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:58pm |
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VioletTiger Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:41:58pm |
re: #261 VioletTiger
I think liberals must sleep
throguhthrough history class.
I think I slept through typing class..../
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screaming_eagle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:01pm |
re: #261 VioletTiger
I think liberals must sleep throguh history class.
Nawww, they just invent it to there liking.
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Amer-I-Can Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:02pm |
Did "The One"(TM) speak today? We usually have the worst free falls when the "Obamessiah"(TM) tells us there is nothing to worry about, twinged with a slight flavor of "Doooooomed, I tell you, we are all DOOOOOMED"
I didn't see any of that today.
//
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albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:04pm |
gutting the stock market and killing the housing/finance business is contrived....there is no natural laws of free market economics at play here...this crash is man made for the most blatent and criminal power grab in our history...anybody that thinks otherwise is a fool
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Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:06pm |
re: #16 chicagodudewhotrades
This isn't freefall anymore. It is more like HALO
less the opening part........
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Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:08pm |
re: #151 midwestgak
James West
The prospect of the United States defaulting on its debt is not just likely. It's inevitable, and imminent.Read on if you dare.
Consistent with his [Obama's] unfortunate proclivity to hiring foxes to guard chickens,
Heh. Ain't that the truth.
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:27pm |
Ronald Reagan, ~20 years ago
"Mr. Gorbachev - Tear down this wall!"
Lizards today
"Mr. Obama, go organize a different community!"
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:31pm |
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Max Darkside Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:39pm |
re: #263 Caton
Gold. Not cash.
I'm avoiding gold, but would rather use other, what I call, "tangibles".
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:45pm |
re: #266 CyanSnowHawk
Kind of late for that too. Isn't gold trading at over $1000 now?
Meaning the dollar is worthless right now?
Silver will do.
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Alan1123 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:42:52pm |
169 -
That's just it!
Obama wants this.
He wants it Bad.
Remember - he is a Marxist - said as much in his "auto"-biography (did he really write it - or was that Ayers?).
The whole Gramski thing is going on - he wants to distroy capitalism. What better way to bring in the workers paradise than to ruin the wealth of the masses?
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:03pm |
re: #280 buzzsawmonkey
I hope you sent that to Rush...
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just another four-letter word Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:05pm |
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:08pm |
The MSM will no doubt spin the free fall as being the result of anything except Obama's socialist makeover of government.
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Harry Tuttle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:16pm |
re: #277 albusteve
gutting the stock market and killing the housing/finance business is contrived....there is no natural laws of free market economics at play here...this crash is man made for the most blatent and criminal power grab in our history...anybody that thinks otherwise is a fool
I agree and ask again, why did Bush/Paulson start this mess?
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vagabond trader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:31pm |
re: #257 FightingBack
You'll need a wheelbarrow full to buy a weeks worth of groceries.
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Perplexed Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:40pm |
re: #267 bloodnok
I know it's not an election, but where is the RNC? They should be putting out commercials saying "Mr. Obama, IT'S NOT WORKING". Or showing the public that they have ideas how to stop this that aren't being listened to. I know this won't stop the bleeding but the Republicans should be scoring points off of Obama's idiocy.
Pundits will get shouted down and House/Senate floor speeches won't get covered by the MSM.
SCREAMING it from the rooftops if need be. Where are the calls for investigations, indictments, sham trials, yellow press journalism, etc? If this were under a republican administration the press would be all over it in a heart beat. Wonder where all of the homeless went when the ONE was corinated?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:47pm |
re: #276 Amer-I-Can
Did "The One"(TM) speak today? We usually have the worst free falls when the "Obamessiah"(TM) tells us there is nothing to worry about, twinged with a slight flavor of "Doooooomed, I tell you, we are all DOOOOOMED"
I didn't see any of that today.
//
Meat Puppet Gibbs was furiously trying to positively spin the Socialist takeover of the medical sector of our economy.
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screaming_eagle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:48pm |
re: #261 VioletTiger
I think liberals must sleep throguh history class.
Obama slept through MATH class.
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Maximu§ Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:43:54pm |
re: #178 Rexatosis
Being a politician used to be like a tour-of-duty. You sacrificed a few years of your professional life, tried to make America and your state a better place than when you came in and then YOU WENT BACK TO YOUR REGULAR JOB AFTERWARDS.
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Nevergiveup Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:44:03pm |
Secret anti-terror Bush memos made public by Obama
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
Just remember what goes around, comes around!
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Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:44:27pm |
re: #267 bloodnok
I know it's not an election, but where is the RNC? They should be putting out commercials saying "Mr. Obama, IT'S NOT WORKING". Or showing the public that they have ideas how to stop this that aren't being listened to. I know this won't stop the bleeding but the Republicans should be scoring points off of Obama's idiocy.
Pundits will get shouted down and House/Senate floor speeches won't get covered by the MSM.
I've been wondering about that myself. No advertising campaigns from what I understand and it might be due to a lack of cash flow. Instead we get the propaganda from the left via MoveOn and the unions. When you add the two groups and the biased media there's effectively no opposing views in the mass media today. Why the Republican party and the conservative movement is ignoring this is beyond my understanding.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:44:38pm |
re: #284 Caton
Meaning the dollar is worthless right now?
Silver will do.
Worth less than it has been.
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:44:42pm |
re: #270 subsailor68
I actually did that, at the height of the market. Not because I'm smart, but was splitting out trust dollars with my sister. So I'm now in cash - but don't have a clue what to do with it if Obama and/or the Fed start printing money like maniacs.
Gold. Because they already are printing money like maniacs.
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DaddyG Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:44:48pm |
re: #240 CyanSnowHawk
Dammit! I just realized that I inadvertently boosted someone else's finances yesterday. I got $20 over at the self checkout at Home Depot and forgot to grab it out of the bill dispenser.
That was one expensive $2.95 bottle of weed and grass killer.
Where and when do you shop and can I follow you around?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:15pm |
re: #284 Caton
Meaning the dollar is worthless right now?
For whatever reason, the dollar is for the most part a lot stronger than it was a year ago (other than versus the yen).
Whether that can remain, is a very good question.
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subsailor68 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:18pm |
re: #298 Leonidas Hoplite
Gold. Because they already are printing money like maniacs.
Sigh. I know you're right. Gotta fund that stimulus somehow.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:26pm |
The U.S. is in a deep recession, what do you do?
Why, you double the deficit, increase the capital gains tax rate, and threaten to enact cap and trade of course.
/good thinking!
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:28pm |
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Miss Molly Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:29pm |
FightingBack --Biden reminds me of the Danny Kaye movie "The Court Jester" except for the fact that Danny Kaye was very funny and Biden is so dumb there is no end to the problems he will cause.
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FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:33pm |
CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.
The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.
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midwestgak Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:36pm |
re: #241 jpkoch
Convert all assets to cash and wait it out...
Cash is not the answer. When the bottom falls out from under currency, a bottle of water will be worth more than a Lamborghini
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:37pm |
Breaking in the Dallas Morning News right now:
Former Dallas Mayor Ron Kirk, who was nominated to a Cabinet position by President Barack Obama, must pay nearly $10,000 to the IRS to correct errors in his tax returns for the last three years, the Senate Finance Committee has announced. Details to come.
Another tax cheat headed to the White House.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:39pm |
re: #288 Ward Cleaver
The MSM will no doubt spin the free fall as being the result of anything except Obama's socialist makeover of government.
Blame Bush is the meme, all the time, until there is a spike up which is all due to the experienced brain trust that is Our Messiah-King anointed and enthroned.
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yma o hyd Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:42pm |
re: #227 subsailor68
Let's see,
The Dow tanking.
Buy American provisions (for steel etc.) in the stimulus.
Increase in taxes for the "rich", including capital gains and corporate taxes.
The stimulus package sucking up private capital for government directed projects.
Creation of "czars" and "organizations" to manage all of this.Herbert Hoover:
Dow tanking
Creation of Smoot-Hawley tariffs
Increased taxesRoosevelt
Dow tanking
Creation of NRA, AAA, RA, WPA, with massive funding for each
Creation of "managers" to oversee projects and supervise private industryHow'd that all work out for 'em Obama?
I'm afraid PB0 thinks he can do vastly better than FDR and Hoover rolled into one ...
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:45:48pm |
re: #282 Occasional Reader
Ammo. Not gold.
/kidding
//I think?
Ammo might become like cigarettes inside the bighouse.
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Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:46:24pm |
Oddly enough on this day were the DOW tanks big time the Republican party is in the midst of a cat fight.
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vagabond trader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:46:29pm |
re: #267 bloodnok
Especially since only a few Rs voted for the pork-pak.Sadly, we have a huge deficiency in conservative leadership.
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Lee Coller Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:46:33pm |
re: #293 screaming_eagle
Obama slept through MATH class.
And his econ professor was a commie (then again, so was mine).
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subsailor68 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:46:39pm |
re: #309 yma o hyd
I'm afraid PB0 thinks he can do vastly better than FDR and Hoover rolled into one ...
There's a delicious irony in that statement.
;-)
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albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:46:40pm |
re: #289 Harry Tuttle
I agree and ask again, why did Bush/Paulson start this mess?
stupidity....they have not been paying attention..Kiplinger has railed on this very topic for 40 yrs...it's the perfect storm because voters are dumbed down to the point where the MSM makes their choices for them....it's a fucking disaster that has been waiting to happen....it just blew Bush/Paulson away...
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Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:46:41pm |
re: #305 FrogMarch
CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.
The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.
too bad his policies feel more like "rape"
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DaddyG Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:46:44pm |
re: #290 vagabond trader
You'll need a wheelbarrow full to buy a weeks worth of groceries.
Does Prada make wheelbarrows?
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SixDegrees Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:46:48pm |
So, I have a question. Today's market plunge was triggered by awful news from AIG, coupled with the government's announcement that they are trying yet another plan to prop the company up. The continuing plans followed by failures followed by yet another plan is, I think, more responsible for the market's downturn than AIG's losses themselves.
The argument for this continuing support goes something like, "AIG is so large and so tied in with so many other institutions that it's failure would have a catastrophic ripple effect."
What I wanna know is - what effect would that be, exactly? At what point do we stop shoving our hand and taxdollars up this corpse's backside, and decide that the costs of failure are outweighed by the costs of continued support? What, exactly, is it that is supposed to happen if AIG crashes and burns that is so horrible that we're throwing sums exceeding the GDP of most of the world's nations at it, while mortgaging our own nation's future in the bargain? At what point is failure an option?
I'd like to see a detailed projection of what would ensue following AIG's collapse, rather than simply being brushed off with non-excuses like "It would be bad." Right now, I'm thinking that failure can't possibly be any worse than the decidedly nebulous solution we're pursuing.
Can anyone paint a fact-based picture? Not a worst-case scenario - a likely scenario.
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:01pm |
re: #305 FrogMarch
CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.
The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.
Actually, I agree with CNN: you're fucked.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:06pm |
re: #305 FrogMarch
CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.
The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.
"Sex", as in, "bend over, hear it comes again"?
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:10pm |
re: #285 Alan1123
Problem for Obama and the Socialists is that the market will just wait him out. Unless the Constitution gets amended in the next eight years, Obama has a finite timeline. He will be gone, and his cronies will be gone with him. It's happened before. The market simply outwaited FDR, and when he was gone, they started investing again.
Socialists and socialism will never kill capitalism as it is in our blood, our genetic makeup. Capitalism will always find a way.
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:15pm |
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:22pm |
re: #295 Nevergiveup
Secret anti-terror Bush memos made public by Obama
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
Just remember what goes around, comes around!
An effort to own the news cycle by feeding red meat to the liberal media.
They will ignore the markets and turn to our "collective shame".
And they will fail to mention that Obama idol FDR wiretapped without warrant, opened mail without warrant, and suspended habeas corpus throughout WW2.
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rawmuse Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:33pm |
There were years when I borrowed money in order to max out my IRA contribution. Borrowed it.
What an idiot I was. I should have bought a Corvette.
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Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:38pm |
re: #305 FrogMarch
CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.
The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.
Unfreakingbelievable.
There you go. More pablum for the adoring masses.
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DisturbedEma Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:44pm |
re: #233 karmic_inquisitor
And if your family came here and made it on their own they probably aren't Democrats.
I know many "Centrist" Democrats who are white and can't help but mention Obama's race when describing the job he is doing. As if "first black president" has anything to do with job performance.
So many of them put aside their misgivings because of his skin color. They will now come to realize that they, for having supported a guy largely because of his race, will pay the price for their racism.
Democrats used to be like that- well, my dad was democrat, and never took a dime from anyone. . .the bread of charity is made of dirt. . .it soils you from the inside. . .
I no longer recognize the democratic parts, it is not like my dad believed it was. . .
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shiplord kirel Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:47:48pm |
Not to worry. Once the Messiah notices this he can just issue an executive order freezing the DOW at 6700.
/
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:48:08pm |
re: #320 Ward Cleaver
"Sex", as in, "bend over, hear it comes again"?
Oh yeah, and he smokes a cigarette afterward.
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USCMSNE Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:48:10pm |
Dollar Cost Average.
I know it doesn't help you lizards near or at retirement. But it's the only optimism I've got.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:48:27pm |
re: #320 Ward Cleaver
"Sex", as in, "bend over, hear it comes again"?
Oooh, been years since I have been BOHICAed!
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Cheechako Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:48:41pm |
I think I'm going out and do some prospecting for gold this summer. Anyone care to tag along?
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Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:48:49pm |
re: #328 shiplord kirel
Not to worry. Once the Messiah notices this he can just issue an executive order freezing the DOW at 6700.
/
He is going to nationalize the Dow
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subsailor68 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:48:57pm |
Well, all...must go. Hope everyone has a wonderful evening, even with all this mess.
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kansas Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:48:59pm |
re: #222 Logic
An doesn't that scare the bejeezus out of you? What can be done to stop it?
Sorry, that's against the rules here.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:49:08pm |
re: #304 Miss Molly
FightingBack --Biden reminds me of the Danny Kaye movie "The Court Jester" except for the fact that Danny Kaye was very funny and Biden is so dumb there is no end to the problems he will cause.
But which cup does he serve to Obama? The Chalice from the Palace, the vessel with the pestle, or the flagon with the dragon?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:49:27pm |
re: #324 rawmuse
There were years when I borrowed money in order to max out my IRA contribution. Borrowed it.
What an idiot I was. I should have bought a Corvette.
Broads, booze, and cars....the new Obama approved investments.
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Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:49:32pm |
re: #332 FurryOldGuyJeans
Oooh, been years since I have been BOHICAed!
you drank alot as a younger man, did ya?
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Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:49:32pm |
re: #305 FrogMarch
CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.
The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.
Well, I'm feeling a pounding sensation in the asshole every time he speaks, is that what they mean?
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Miss Molly Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:49:35pm |
I don't think Obama had to do much in school. All he had to do was show up because he was a "special" person. If he had learned even the basics of economics he might know he was in way over his head.
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HelloDare Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:49:39pm |
re: #240 CyanSnowHawk
Dammit! I just realized that I inadvertently boosted someone else's finances yesterday. I got $20 over at the self checkout at Home Depot and forgot to grab it out of the bill dispenser.
That was one expensive $2.95 bottle of weed and grass killer.
Don't be so hard on yourself. What you did makes as much sense as Obama's stimulus package.
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Digital Display Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:49:40pm |
re: #335 subsailor68
Well, all...must go. Hope everyone has a wonderful evening, even with all this mess.
Kind Regards subsailor
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Gretchen Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:49:58pm |
re: #238 FurryOldGuyJeans
If this is incompetence by O, where does that put VP Biden?
I think this is exactly what Obama wants and he picked a VP to addled to figure it out.
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Harry Tuttle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:50:02pm |
re: #315 albusteve
stupidity....they have not been paying attention..Kiplinger has railed on this very topic for 40 yrs...it's the perfect storm because voters are dumbed down to the point where the MSM makes their choices for them....it's a fucking disaster that has been waiting to happen....it just blew Bush/Paulson away...
Well I'd like to think it was stupidity.
Sure came at a convenient fucking time for Obama to win office though.
If it was stupidity, GWB didn't do that many stupid things (he did things I disagree with bit I don't think any of them were really because he or his advisors were stupid).
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:50:18pm |
re: #335 subsailor68
Well, all...must go. Hope everyone has a wonderful evening, even with all this mess.
Bye Subsailor, you too.
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Special Forces Grunt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:50:27pm |
In the private universities, most academics have their retirement funds tied up in TIAA/CREF which is invested in the market. I wonder how the academy views socialism now?
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:50:27pm |
re: #315 albusteve
stupidity....they have not been paying attention..Kiplinger has railed on this very topic for 40 yrs...it's the perfect storm because voters are dumbed down to the point where the MSM makes their choices for them....it's a fucking disaster that has been waiting to happen....it just blew Bush/Paulson away...
It's as if everyone was swimming in the deep end with a kickboard, and suddenly the kickboards disappeared.
Everyone on Washington is in over their heads and do not have the courage to do what needs to be done. Let it work itself out. Of course, then the sheeple might (doubtful) begin to realize that politicians don't actually do/add anything of value...so better to look like you are doing something, even if it is the wrong thing, to protect your phoney-baloney job (thank you Mel Brooks!).
That's why this mess will last a long, long time.
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tradewind Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:50:51pm |
But.....everything is all right.... up tight, outta sight....
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
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albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:50:52pm |
re: #334 Desert Dog
He is going to nationalize the Dow
I'm sure it's crossed his mind...he is a total maniac
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SixDegrees Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:50:56pm |
re: #255 Max Darkside
Yes, for a while, then the coming inflation will eat it... so as soon as you see inflation rear its ugly head, immediately convert that cash to tangibles that will rise with inflation.
My strategy will, I think, be to sink the money into something I can actually use and enjoy - and possibly benefit from during a prolonged downturn. Home remodeling leaps to mind. I have to live somewhere, our horrendously outdated kitchen could certainly stand some upgrades, and the addition of things like a dehydrator/freezer/meat grinder would allow me to save money on food over the long term. It wouldn't hurt my home's value, either.
Might at well get some enjoyment out of my dwindling pile before it completely disappears.
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:51:04pm |
re: #300 Occasional Reader
For whatever reason, the dollar is for the most part a lot stronger than it was a year ago (other than versus the yen).
Whether that can remain, is a very good question.
The dollar is strong because of the fear around the world. That, and other currencies suck too. Europe is facing bigger woes than we are (although Obama is doing his best to get us with as big an entitlement and regulatory burden as the EU).
If this crisis forces the Asian economies to abandon their export focus (and their dollar subsidies to aid their export growth) then Asian currencies will become the standard. Till that happens, the dollar is still it.
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Max Darkside Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:51:04pm |
re: #333 Cheechako
I think I'm going out and do some prospecting for gold this summer. Anyone care to tag along?
Sure! I used to pan and run a rocker box / sluice in Oregon, the Applegate River near Medford before they dammed it up. Popped a few nuggets out of there, but in the end, I netted out not much more than gas money for driving up there. It was fun, though.
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Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:51:05pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
Koskidz....
F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already?
"I wish yuri's goat was dead...." envy and jealousy are truly ugly things
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kansas Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:51:06pm |
re: #345 Harry Tuttle
Well I'd like to think it was stupidity.
Sure came at a convenient fucking time for Obama to win office though.
If it was stupidity, GWB didn't do that many stupid things (he did things I disagree with bit I don't think any of them were really because he or his advisors were stupid).
Yeah, or because he wanted to fuck us.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:51:22pm |
re: #309 yma o hyd
I'm afraid PB0 thinks he can do vastly better than FDR and Hoover rolled into one ...
Said something similar this morning (dead thread, I think):
Obama is Hoover and FDR rolled into a crap torilla.
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Perplexed Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:51:28pm |
re: #347 Special Forces Grunt
In the private universities, most academics have their retirement funds tied up in TIAA/CREF which is invested in the market. I wonder how the academy views socialism now?
Probably along the lines of "if the damned capitalists had listened to us years ago, none of this would have happened."
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:51:50pm |
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:52:04pm |
re: #342 HelloDare
Don't be so hard on yourself. What you did makes as much sense as Obama's stimulus package.
That's not exactly a standard to aspire to.
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Muadib Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:52:09pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
Many thanks to you and the others willing to fish the cesspools of intellectual depravity for scraps of anti-wisdom for us to study.
The fool calling itself kubla000 is an abject idiot and surely does not recognize that it is Socialism that creates "a false sense of security, a false hope of riches, a fools chance of getting ahead".
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:52:17pm |
Liberals saying that Obama speeches are like sex demonstrates one thing: Liberals aren't very good at sex.
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Salamantis Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:52:24pm |
If this keeps up, people will be drinking muddy water and sleeping in hollow logs.
Expect the deer population to tank, as people get meat wherever they can find it.
On the bright side, I see a new job market coming - for gunmen to protect corporate farm fields from midnight raiders.
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Shr_Nfr Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:52:44pm |
Ron Kirk and his tax problems. It looks like honest mistakes for once and/or differences in opinion of the tax treatment of an honorarium or two. I will not take him to task too hard over this one. It appears that he said to give his speaking fees to a college and unka has a problem with the way he did it.
Another nominee embarrassed
By ALEXANDER BURNS
The Senate Finance Committee released a statement Monday revealing that Ron Kirk, Obama's nominee for trade rep had to pay some back taxes...
"Mayor Kirk’s nomination team informed Finance Committee staff that in October, 2008 the mayor paid additional tax in the amount of $2,188 and additional interest in the amount of $139 for tax year 2006 after he was notified by the IRS that he had failed to report a speaking honorarium of $5,000 and dividend income of $819. The return was prepared by a paid tax preparer and filed jointly with his wife. The IRS identified the unreported income during a routine matching of Form 1099 income with the Kirks’ tax return.
"After reviewing Mayor Kirk’s tax returns for 2005, 2006 and 2007, Finance Committee staff submitted several questions to Mr. Kirk on February 6, 2009. The questions included a request for clarification of his practice of assigning honoraria to Austin College and whether the honoraria should have been reported as taxable income, substantiation of various charitable donations and other miscellaneous tax questions. Mayor Kirk provided written responses to the questions on February 17, 2009. He met with Finance Committee staff on February 19, 2009 for a due diligence meeting and to answer tax questions that had not been resolved by his written responses. Mayor Kirk submitted additional information to Committee staff on February 24, 2009 and February 28, 2009...
"Mayor Kirk has agreed to promptly file amended returns reflecting the adjustments discussed in this memo. Staff estimates the total tax adjustments on Mayor Kirk’s amended returns for 2005, 2006 and 2007 will be approximately $9,975."
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Gretchen Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:52:48pm |
This makes Obama's plan to spread the wealth around much easier. Less wealth to spread. Let's have a conga line!
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Max Darkside Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:52:59pm |
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baldeagle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:03pm |
This is intentional people. Did anyone listen to this guy during the campaign[and I am not talking about his prepared speeches], I am talking about unguarded moments, unscripted moments. This guy is an avowed leftist and is following Sauls bible to the letter. Be very afraid for this country and its very fabric, he is tearing it down and wants to rebuild it in his own image. Wake up.
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Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:10pm |
It should be crystal clear to the GOP by this time that what is needed is a sound fiscal policy being upheld as our position in 2010 and 2012. Seems to me one month of 0bama has been enough to cause many Americans to consider this may not have been the best we could have done. They'll want reasonable fiscal sanity, and soon.
The crisis that hurt McCain might also be the crisis that saves this party. Fisc-cons must step up now, and be the force in the party. Focus on tax cuts, discuss reform of the spending mechanisms in Congress, and champion reasonable spending (including science).
If we can do this, we can win back Congress, we can take the WH in 2012. Are we bold enough to do it?
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Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:11pm |
re: #365 Gretchen
This makes Obama's plan to spread the wealth around much easier. Less wealth to spread. Let's have a conga line!
TOGA! TOGA!
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Miss Molly Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:17pm |
CyanSnowHawk --hopefully it will be "the brew that is true". But Biden can't count to two so he will never get it right.
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Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:19pm |
re: #276 Amer-I-Can
Did "The One"(TM) speak today? We usually have the worst free falls when the "Obamessiah"(TM) tells us there is nothing to worry about, twinged with a slight flavor of "Doooooomed, I tell you, we are all DOOOOOMED"
I didn't see any of that today.
//
Over the weekend they announced the Hopey Changey World Tour with Gordon Brown.
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albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:20pm |
re: #345 Harry Tuttle
Well I'd like to think it was stupidity.
Sure came at a convenient fucking time for Obama to win office though.
If it was stupidity, GWB didn't do that many stupid things (he did things I disagree with bit I don't think any of them were really because he or his advisors were stupid).
Bush warned against the FM/FM meltdown several times...so did McCain and they dropped the ball...not enough votes to stiffen the regs...but it all started long before that, in fact back to Carter...it's all in the record plain as day
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Rexatosis Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:26pm |
Okay its rant number two:
We as a society need to get back to basics, like Aesop and his fables reality based basics for a modern world. If you are a dope-smoking slacker, who skips school, doesn't work, guess what, you freeze to death when winter comes you dumb grasshopper. If you don't sow, reap, mill the wheat, make the flour, knead the bread, bake the bread then the little red hen, not you eats the bread she created and if she is kind enough to share it don't bitch that it isn't "organic" enough for you. If you can't reach the damn grapes don't bitch they are sour fox, get a damn ladder. Unfortunately for us our "hope and change" President and his minnions take the view the grasshopper has been racially oppressed by the ants thus he had not choice but to become a Kronic-smoking slacker, that the little red hen is an oppressive capitalist who needs her bread baking operation regulated to serve the people while actually driving it out of business, and it's the grapes fault the fox can't reach it so we have to cut down the grape vines.
(The never ending winter and collapsing Dow are making me cranky:(
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:27pm |
re: #305 FrogMarch
CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.
The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.
That's because they promise so much and delivers so little.
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A Kiwi Infidel Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:33pm |
Possibly OT but a review of a must-read book by Jamie Glazov.
Delves into the mind of the Kozkids and their insane hatred of what has made America great.
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FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:53:44pm |
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Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:54:15pm |
re: #312 vagabond trader
Especially since only a few Rs voted for the pork-pak.Sadly, we have a huge deficiency in conservative leadership.
It's just like with McCain's campaign. Obama would unleash a whopping lie and it would go unchallenged. How they let Obama get away with calling the pokulus bill "bi-partisan" without a fight is very disturbing.
I may have said a few words a few threads back about what I thought Rush's negatives might be with I's and Ds, but I am 100% behind Rush when he says that the RNC has better things to do than to go after Rush Limbaugh at a time like this.
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Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:54:30pm |
re: #296 Gus 802
I've been wondering about that myself. No advertising campaigns from what I understand and it might be due to a lack of cash flow. Instead we get the propaganda from the left via MoveOn and the unions. When you add the two groups and the biased media there's effectively no opposing views in the mass media today. Why the Republican party and the conservative movement is ignoring this is beyond my understanding.
Psssst. Shhhhhhhh (they're lost in Dem-lite mode, they don't have any ideas, either).
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Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:54:42pm |
re: #376 FrogMarch
A stick up, rape, and a rectal exam.
And not even a kiss or an "I love you" afterwards....he probably won;t even call.....weep, weep, weep.....
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opnion Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:54:49pm |
re: #305 FrogMarch
CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.
The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.
Well if this is sex, then Obama is a HOBOsexual, cause it's a bum fuck.
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SixDegrees Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:54:49pm |
re: #331 USCMSNE
Dollar Cost Average.
I know it doesn't help you lizards near or at retirement. But it's the only optimism I've got.
Despite the ongoing drubbing, one can certainly make the case that this is a buying opportunity that will only come once in a lifetime. And with prices very low, the downside is strictly limited, while the potential upside is huge - if you're patient.
And if everything swirls down the crapper, you won't be any worse off than if you had stood pat, anyway.
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Salamantis Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:54:51pm |
It's Obama's bend-over-and-take-it stimulus package. His version of trickle down.
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DisturbedEma Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:54:59pm |
re: #332 FurryOldGuyJeans
Oooh, been years since I have been BOHICAed!
Yeah, I am no longer allowing it myself- seven kids and 2 sets of twins is enough!
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vagabond trader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:03pm |
re: #368 Sharmuta
We need to hear something coherent from them NOW. The way this is shaking out two years=too late.
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Kenneth Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:09pm |
re: #300 Occasional Reader
The US dollar is still the preferred reserve currency in the world since there are no real alternatives. Nobody trusts the Euro, as the EU has no central federal reserve to set a consistent monetary policy. The coming civil unrest in Europe, when the banks collapse in a few days, will make that all the more clear. The Chinese yuan is not trusted because private property and the rule of law are not deeply held values in China.
That leaves the US dollar. People trust it because the US political system is stable and the rule of law respected.
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Golem Akbar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:16pm |
re: #299 DaddyG
Where and when do you shop and can I follow you around?
You can buy weed at Home Depot?
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Miss Molly Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:35pm |
Popcorn and Conga Line every Wednesday night at the White House. All are not invited!
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Opinionated Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:41pm |
If I lived in Maryland I would not be worried to write here that Obama is a Socialist who is going to destroy the economy.
Maryland Court Upholds Anonymity For Commenters on Web Sites
ANNAPOLIS, Md. -- Maryland's highest court has ruled in favor of Internet anonymity, saying Web sites involved in defamation suits don't have to reveal the identity of readers who post comments on their site.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
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Kenneth Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:49pm |
re: #347 Special Forces Grunt
It's making for some rather heated arguments round the old faculty club lately.
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Desert Dog Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:52pm |
re: #384 DisturbedEma
Yeah, I am no longer allowing it myself- seven kids and 2 sets of twins is enough!
awww come on! One more and you can be OCTOMOM! We are all pulling for ya!
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:53pm |
re: #365 Gretchen
You know what's sad, is someone posted on a thread last week some treacly article about people getting "some good" from this - cutting back, spending time with the family etc. The timing angered me because that piece of fluff would never have been written if a Republican was in the White House.
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albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:54pm |
re: #348 Leonidas Hoplite
It's as if everyone was swimming in the deep end with a kickboard, and suddenly the kickboards disappeared.
Everyone on Washington is in over their heads and do not have the courage to do what needs to be done. Let it work itself out. Of course, then the sheeple might (doubtful) begin to realize that politicians don't actually do/add anything of value...so better to look like you are doing something, even if it is the wrong thing, to protect your phoney-baloney job (thank you Mel Brooks!).
That's why this mess will last a long, long time.
it's just infuriating to see these guys get away with this....everybody knows the economy could turn around in 48hrs if measures were taken to do that....this is criminal imo
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tradewind Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:55:55pm |
re: #365 Gretchen
Boogie Wonderland my ayass.....
I'm sorry, but that is just inappropriate in this climate. Michelle at least had the right idea when she hosted a screening of ' He's Just Not That Into You'.
Damn straight. He's into your wallet. Deep into it.
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SixDegrees Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:05pm |
re: #356 Honorary Yooper
Said something similar this morning (dead thread, I think):
Obama is Hoover and FDR rolled into a crap torilla.
You forgot to include Jimmy Carter.
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Gus Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:12pm |
re: #379 Russkilitlover
Psssst. Shhhhhhhh (they're lost in Dem-lite mode, they don't have any ideas, either).
Yeah, I think so. They're stuck in "lets wait for the Sunday morning political talk show mode." Which most Americans don't watch.
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FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:15pm |
re: #340 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Well, I'm feeling a pounding sensation in the asshole every time he speaks, is that what they mean?
Yes. Weirdly, CNN likes it that way.
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:22pm |
re: #386 Kenneth
That leaves the US dollar. People trust it because the US political system is stable and the rule of law respected.
I wonder how long that will last?
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KenJen Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:42pm |
re: #365 Gretchen
This makes Obama's plan to spread the wealth around much easier. Less wealth to spread. Let's have a conga line!
How bout the limbo dance instead. How low can the Dow go. How low can it go?
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eschew_obfuscation Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:51pm |
re: #347 Special Forces Grunt
In the private universities, most academics have their retirement funds tied up in TIAA/CREF which is invested in the market. I wonder how the academy views socialism now?
The government should restore the value the academy lost to the market and stop relying on capitalism to provide for their retirement.
/sadly, that's probably their thought.
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turn Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:55pm |
re: #326 Gus 802
Unfreakingbelievable.
There you go. More pablum for the adoring masses.
Hey everybody, the comment came from a Republican strategist who said something to the effect Obama's speeches were like sex, even the worst is still good. Not CNN.
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Harry Tuttle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:58pm |
re: #372 albusteve
Bush warned against the FM/FM meltdown several times...so did McCain and they dropped the ball...not enough votes to stiffen the regs...but it all started long before that, in fact back to Carter...it's all in the record plain as day
Mmm. It looks pretty bad but what do I know.
I do believe GWB deserves the benefit of the doubt at any rate.
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UFO TOFU Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:56:59pm |
re: #324 rawmuse
I just mailed off my 08 IRAs today. I feel like I just threw 11k away.
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notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:00pm |
Gibb's spoke today at a press conference.
[Link: www.freedomslighthouse.com...]
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:10pm |
re: #376 FrogMarch
...rectal exam.
And I used to think it was only a choice between written and oral. School sure has changed since I graduated.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:13pm |
re: #386 Kenneth
That leaves the US dollar. People trust it because the US political system is stable and the rule of law respected.
[clears throat]
Ah... yeah! Y'all can count on us.
/why am I not feeling all that relieved
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snowcrash Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:15pm |
The coming cap and trade tax is very scary. I regret it has taken me so long to pay attention to this. HotAir has a good article up.
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rawmuse Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:25pm |
re: #386 Kenneth
The US used to be stable, politically. Past tense.
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just another four-letter word Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:30pm |
People, here's what you should invest in:
Go to the Family Home Storage and Finances section.
You can't eat gold, okay?
JAFLW
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Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:34pm |
re: #368 Sharmuta
It should be crystal clear to the GOP by this time that what is needed is a sound fiscal policy being upheld as our position in 2010 and 2012. Seems to me one month of 0bama has been enough to cause many Americans to consider this may not have been the best we could have done. They'll want reasonable fiscal sanity, and soon.
The crisis that hurt McCain might also be the crisis that saves this party. Fisc-cons must step up now, and be the force in the party. Focus on tax cuts, discuss reform of the spending mechanisms in Congress, and champion reasonable spending (including science).
If we can do this, we can win back Congress, we can take the WH in 2012. Are we bold enough to do it?
I am! Now who's with me?!
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Maximu§ Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:38pm |
re: #347 Special Forces Grunt
In the private universities, most academics have their retirement funds tied up in TIAA/CREF which is invested in the market. I wonder how the academy views socialism now?
Hey, I thought all you 11B's were Dumb-asses...you sound pretty intelligent to this old Cav Scout.
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midwestgak Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:46pm |
re: #321 Honorary Yooper
Socialists and socialism will never kill capitalism as it is in our blood, our genetic makeup. Capitalism will always find a way.
Dear {Honorary},
Capitalism does work every time it's tried. But it is being eroded by the powers that be. I am a proponent of the free market.
To quote a gentleman and patriot, "Free for how long?" Zell Miller
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HippieforLife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:50pm |
re: #295 Nevergiveup
Boy, Eric Holder sure is a bright light. ////
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apachegunner Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:54pm |
Hello from the Atlanta airport Embassy lizards!
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yma o hyd Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:57:57pm |
Don't forget - this is not PB0 getting 'the rich'.
Commies respect the 'rich'.
Its about pauperising the middle classes, those who are not hanging on the state welfare drip.
Its about PB0 getting those independent, working people on their knees and forcing them to crawl to him with a begging bowl.
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chicagodudewhotrades Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:58:02pm |
GAWD, the folks on Fox Business just said something about (rough quote) "now that we are below the 7,000 dow level how soon will we go below the 6,000 level?"
| 418 |
Diamond Bullet Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:58:03pm |
Obama isn't just trashing my 401k and strafing the burning remains of what was once my nest egg, he's trashing my daughter's 529. It's pretty awesome how Obama can claim to want to invest in education when those of us who actually are literally investing in it are getting the shaft thanks to his decrepit policies. It'll be fun to have to explain to my kids how despite our best efforts they couldn't go to college because Obama'd rather spend money on rebuilding Gaza or funneling loot to his community organizing banditry. Just not a "whee!" sort of fun.
| 419 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:58:13pm |
re: #373 Rexatosis
Yeah, nobody told the little red hen she was selfish back then, did they?
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brookly red Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:58:19pm |
I see men standing idle on the street corners, once proud but no longer, talking amongst them selves. I see them whispering to each other in the bars & coffee shops. They flash signs with their hands but do not make eye contact. I see them spit when his name is mentioned.
I see money change hands, & I see children delivering packages... & the cops pretend not to notice, this too I see.
The fear has passed, the time grows near, the weather warms. Slowly, slowly, it can not be long now.
The spirit screams.
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Kenneth Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:59:01pm |
re: #352 karmic_inquisitor
That might happen in the long run, but it won't happen any time soon. No way China can turn itself into a modern consumerist society in a year or two. They are structured for exports and they need a strong US dollar to do that.
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Perplexed Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:59:08pm |
re: #417 chicagodudewhotrades
GAWD, the folks on Fox Business just said something about (rough quote) "now that we are below the 7,000 dow level how soon will we go below the 6,000 level?"
At about 100 points a day probably 10-15 trading days.
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DisturbedEma Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:59:19pm |
re: #391 Desert Dog
awww come on! One more and you can be OCTOMOM! We are all pulling for ya!
Yeah, with out the state paid for invitro. . .and the welfare- I am going to McDonald's for work in a week and glad for the money
| 427 |
Harry Tuttle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:59:20pm |
re: #386 Kenneth
The US dollar ... People trust it because the US political system is stable and the rule of law respected.
Heh. You're funny.
/sarc
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shiplord kirel Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:59:20pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
Koskidz....
F*ck the Dow.... Can Greed Die Already?
I don't like to admit it, but the Kosturd is right to a certain extent. Professional investors and their heedless, fantasy-driven machinations were the biggest single factor in creating this mess, along with public officials and financial media who were either wholly complicit or completely asleep. The fatcats' many amateur imitators have also had a role: A big part of the housing debacle resulted from greedy but otherwise unqualified speculators taking out multiple mortgages they imagined they could turn for a quick buck before any big bills came due.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:59:23pm |
re: #368 Sharmuta
It should be crystal clear to the GOP by this time that what is needed is a sound fiscal policy being upheld as our position in 2010 and 2012. Seems to me one month of 0bama has been enough to cause many Americans to consider this may not have been the best we could have done. They'll want reasonable fiscal sanity, and soon.
The crisis that hurt McCain might also be the crisis that saves this party. Fisc-cons must step up now, and be the force in the party. Focus on tax cuts, discuss reform of the spending mechanisms in Congress, and champion reasonable spending (including science).
If we can do this, we can win back Congress, we can take the WH in 2012. Are we bold enough to do it?
Well, we need strong fiscal conservatives. I can name a few to start, including the man who I think should have been president right now, Mitt Romney. We need people who understand how the market works, and understand that you need to cut spending as well as taxes (no more borrowing!).
2010 is a great time to start fighting back. May I suggest a few slogans:
*Had Enough?
*Change In YOUR Pocket
*No More Obamadepression
and one I like, but may be over the top,
*Just Say No To The BHO.
Then a full fiscal con attack is needed for 2012. Jindal, Pawlenty, et al, need not apply.
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FightingBack Mon, Mar 2, 2009 1:59:32pm |
re: #417 chicagodudewhotrades
GAWD, the folks on Fox Business just said something about (rough quote) "now that we are below the 7,000 dow level how soon will we go below the 6,000 level?"
Tomorrow.
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Natasha Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:00:43pm |
re: #305 FrogMarch
CNN claims Obama’s speeches are like sex.
The rest of the nation feel like Obama's speeches are like horseshit.
If these freaks think Obama speeches are anything like sex, they've never got laid well enough to know better. Or, I suspect, never got laid at all. Ugh!
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:00:58pm |
re: #431 Iron Fist
He has become Shiva - Destroyer of
WorldsWealth.Not the legacy I'd figure he was shooting for, but he can say he helped get rid of those Middle Class values his radical, anti-American church was so opposed to. By the time he's done, there will be no more Middle Class.
Eight years of this, and there will be no more America.
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FightingBack Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:01:39pm |
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:01:42pm |
re: #395 SixDegrees
You forgot to include Jimmy Carter.
I didn't include Carter because I was making a Great Depression analogy. Now, in regards toward Iran, Obama is Carter X 10.
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yma o hyd Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:01:58pm |
re: #373 Rexatosis
Good rant!
Just one other thing: if there's no taxation without representation - why is there representation without taxation?
I reckon those who don't pay tax don't get to vote.
And I exclude paying all those indirect taxes, which all ahve to pay willy-nilly.
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Blackacre Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:02:00pm |
President hope and buddy, can you spare some change?
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Perplexed Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:02:12pm |
re: #435 Caton
Giving it that long, eh? When the civil unrest starts he's going to have his hands full.
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notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:02:47pm |
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Harry Tuttle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:02:47pm |
re: #429 Honorary Yooper
Well, we need strong fiscal conservatives. I can name a few to start, including the man who I think should have been president right now, Mitt Romney. We need people who understand how the market works, and understand that you need to cut spending as well as taxes (no more borrowing!).
2010 is a great time to start fighting back. May I suggest a few slogans:
*Had Enough?
*Change In YOUR Pocket
*No More Obamadepression
and one I like, but may be over the top,
*Just Say No To The BHO.Then a full fiscal con attack is needed for 2012. Jindal, Pawlenty, et al, need not apply.
"Obama: Give up your office, not our liberty"
"Honk if you are paying for my mortgage"
"You 52%ers can *(^*&%(^%$&$$^%^*%$ my (*&*&^&(*"
Ok I made that last one up.
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nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:02:53pm |
notice how O's dem picks only pay their taxes when they're nominated.
crooks thru and thru.
imagine if pres bush had such a slew of thieves.
| 448 |
summergurl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:02:55pm |
re: #435 Caton
EightFOUR years of this, and there will be no more America.
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albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:02:55pm |
re: #368 Sharmuta
It should be crystal clear to the GOP by this time that what is needed is a sound fiscal policy being upheld as our position in 2010 and 2012. Seems to me one month of 0bama has been enough to cause many Americans to consider this may not have been the best we could have done. They'll want reasonable fiscal sanity, and soon.
The crisis that hurt McCain might also be the crisis that saves this party. Fisc-cons must step up now, and be the force in the party. Focus on tax cuts, discuss reform of the spending mechanisms in Congress, and champion reasonable spending (including science).
If we can do this, we can win back Congress, we can take the WH in 2012. Are we bold enough to do it?
I'm wavering...my confidence is nearly spent, but I think winning the House in '10 is more important than the WH in '12....BO must be stopped in the House and Senate...there is no time to waste...I think by the end of the year this country will be in severe crisis...there is only that issue, even defense will become secondary...
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Miss Molly Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:03:12pm |
Caton -- I don't think it will take 8 years to destroy us. Barry can do that in much less time and seem hell bent on just that! He is a very angry person and seems bent on punishment to a society he considers has offended him.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:03:17pm |
re: #425 Perplexed
At about 100 points a day probably 10-15 trading days.
At this rate, there won't be much of a Dow left in 2 months.
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:03:25pm |
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debutaunt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:03:35pm |
re: #80 looking closely
I wasn't going to retire in the next 5-10 years anyway, so I can take the blow to my 401ks.
But my personal account is absolutely *devastated*. I've been hit so hard its embarrassing.
My question is, Is Obama and his team so clueless they don't know how to buffer the market slide, or are they actually doing this on purpose?
If they are moving us to socialism, this is the way to do it.
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USCMSNE Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:03:57pm |
re: #382 SixDegrees
Despite the ongoing drubbing, one can certainly make the case that this is a buying opportunity that will only come once in a lifetime. And with prices very low, the downside is strictly limited, while the potential upside is huge - if you're patient.[...]
One of my biggest regrets is that I didn't start investing heavily when I graduated high school. Compounding and time value of money are topics that I've always known. I just hadn't been as dedicated to investing as I should have been. No excuses. Is it a sign that the down is at it's lowest since 1997, the same year I graduated HS.
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SixDegrees Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:03pm |
re: #398 Caton
I wonder how long that will last?
It's all relative. Despite the heavy gloom hovering over the US, the rest of the world is generally in far worse shape. China is the only thing resembling a bright spot, with GDP growth still in positive territory, but they are nothing without exports, and exports are drying up rapidly as the rest of the world hunkers down and focuses on necessities like food and energy, which tend more toward local production. Another spike in oil prices, which many predict this coming summer, will hammer China very badly.
At the moment, and for the foreseeable future, the US has the brightest prospects, and is universally expected to be the first to emerge from the current recession.
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Kenneth Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:05pm |
re: #427 Harry Tuttle
That's relative to the rest of the world. Watch what happens in Europe & Korea over the next few months. One gov't has already fallen, more will come. Several major European banks are close to collapsing. The merde is about to hit the fan.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:08pm |
re: #428 shiplord kirel
I don't owe his parents health care.
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Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:18pm |
I remember "joking" I was going to get some business sized cards made up if 0bama won, and leave them for tips:
"President 0bama took my change. Ask him for your tip."
Maybe it's time has come.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:20pm |
re: #438 FightingBack
Wait for it.
LOL.
re: #445 notutopia
Black Monday
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Thanks!
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lostlakehiker Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:21pm |
There's this, though. The Chinese have not been pumping currency into their system like we have. At some point there's bound to be a reality check: the gold in Fort Knox is trivial compared to the gazillions of U.S. dollars in circulation or held abroad. The only thing backing our currency is the widely held sense that if and when you go to spend a dollar, there will be something of value for sale at a sensible price. It could be a new-model Boeing jetliner, tons of corn or beef, or sweet, new, gotta-have software. Whatever.
As the money supply growth rate outpaces the supply of goods and services available, something's gotta give.
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Golem Akbar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:30pm |
re: #413 midwestgak
Socialists and socialism will never kill capitalism as it is in our blood, our genetic makeup. Capitalism will always find a way.
Dear {Honorary},
Capitalism does work every time it's tried. But it is being eroded by the powers that be. I am a proponent of the free market.
To quote a gentleman and patriot, "Free for how long?" Zell Miller
In case anyone forgets, after so many years of communism, the Russian black market finally surfaced, and produced much of what became the Russian mafia. It was the Russian black market that kept that nation alive, but because it was so surpressed for so long, a lot of it was quite unsavory. If we destroy capitalism here in the states, it won't disappear, but will become a huge underground industry. That is a real danger.
| 463 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:35pm |
re: #455 USCMSNE
You're not the only one with that regret.
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KenJen Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:38pm |
Mark Steyn on Hugh Hewitt's show last week said he thinks 5000 is coming quickly. I know he not an expert on the economy but he usually hits the nail on the head.
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Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:40pm |
well, since this is Carter Part Deux, what was the Dow when Reagan took over? Sort of a leftist "do over" to airbrush out the inconvient success of capitalism?
| 466 |
reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:04:40pm |
Well if the old "saw" holds true.....
This garganchuanhumungus cloud will some day.......
I hope someday have an awesome "Silver Lining"!
I'm beginning to think It'll after I'm gone! Drat!
| 467 |
tradewind Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:05:02pm |
How long do ya s'pose BHO & Co. will continue to fall back on the ' We inherited this' crap?
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vagabond trader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:05:07pm |
re: #447 nyc redneck
It's a blatant show of contempt for the middle class they claim to care about.
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DisturbedEma Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:05:35pm |
re: #459 Sharmuta
I remember "joking" I was going to get some business sized cards made up if 0bama won, and leave them for tips:
"President 0bama took my change. Ask him for your tip."
Maybe it's time has come.
Change you can believe in, but not spend. . .your tip has been taken by the new administration- thanks for all your hard work, but someone else behind you is getting the money! Have a NICE day:)
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:05:37pm |
re: #457 Kenneth
One gov't has already fallen
If you had predicted two years ago that there would be riots in Iceland, people would have thought you were certifiable.
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Perplexed Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:05:45pm |
re: #467 tradewind
How long do ya s'pose BHO & Co. will continue to fall back on the ' We inherited this' crap?
Until the last day in office.
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:06:04pm |
re: #450 Miss Molly
Caton -- I don't think it will take 8 years to destroy us.
Carter couldn't destroy the US in 4 years, that's why I'm optimistic.
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itellu3times Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:06:06pm |
re: #437 TheMatrix31
What's the largest one day drop ever?
I think in 1987 it lost about 1/3 in one day, or at worst over three days.
Today wasn't free-fall. I don't think we're going to see free-fall. Another 100 points, even 1000 points, over a few days or weeks but to merit the label "free-fall" from here I'd think you would need another 2000 points in one day. Maybe I'm optimistically nuts, but I just don't expect it.
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karmic_inquisitor Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:06:17pm |
To any Kosacks and committed Marxist/Liberals reading this thread -
What has capitalism brought?
Markets have been the lifeblood of civilization. Without markets, history would never have had division of labor take place. We'd all still be organized in tribes of hunter gatherers at war with one another.
Look at any great city in history that is rich in arts and culture and you will see that capitalism built that city and created the surpluses needed for the arts to thrive.
You want a better, more just, and prosperous world? One where freedom thrives and tyrants wither? Free people engaged in free markets that are properly regulated to police graft, theft, fraud and usury delivers. It always has. It always will. Look at the history of civilization - it is the history of capitalism.
Those who want to "end greed" are on the wrong side of history, with an odd perspective on economic morality made possible by the system they say they despise.
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tradewind Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:06:42pm |
re: #474 itellu3times
Aren't there autocontrols in place to prevent an actual free-fall?
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corova Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:06:54pm |
Don't worry. The market always recovers 6 months before the end of a Democratic presidency.
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FightingBack Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:08pm |
re: #461 lostlakehiker
More and more printed money, chasing the same supply of goods and services. Hello, Jimmah.
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turn Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:09pm |
re: #432 Gus 802
Eek. Really?
Yeah, it was his attempt at a joke on Sunday morning ... didn't go over well.
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Sharmuta Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:24pm |
re: #470 DisturbedEma
Change you can believe in, but not spend. . .your tip has been taken by the new administration- thanks for all your hard work, but someone else behind you is getting the money! Have a NICE day:)
"Here is $13. Keep whatever change is left and remember to thank President 0bama for the weekly stimuls."
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FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:27pm |
re: #431 Iron Fist
He has become Shiva - Destroyer of
WorldsWealth.Not the legacy I'd figure he was shooting for, but he can say he helped get rid of those Middle Class values his radical, anti-American church was so opposed to. By the time he's done, there will be no more Middle Class.
That's exactly it. He lies and says he's for the middle class - but he wants to destroy it.
| 484 |
Miss Molly Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:30pm |
Canton -- One can only hope. I just feel we are all in a world of trouble until someone finally can put up a stop sign for Barry and hope he can read.
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Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:47pm |
re: #418 Diamond Bullet
Obama isn't just trashing my 401k and strafing the burning remains of what was once my nest egg, he's trashing my daughter's 529. It's pretty awesome how Obama can claim to want to invest in education when those of us who actually are literally investing in it are getting the shaft thanks to his decrepit policies. It'll be fun to have to explain to my kids how despite our best efforts they couldn't go to college because Obama'd rather spend money on rebuilding Gaza or funneling loot to his community organizing banditry. Just not a "whee!" sort of fun.
He wants to invest in retirement and education - for you. He doesn't want you - or anyone - to do it for themselves (that's too selfish).
maObama is doing his best to destroy private equity to the greatest possible extent. When enough people have written off the prospect of recovering, or become desperate enough, he will unveil the solution - Full socialization of retirement and education.
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Perplexed Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:50pm |
re: #477 tradewind
Aren't there autocontrols in place to prevent an actual free-fall?
Technically, yes. Shutdowns on computer driven selling do cut in when the market falls a certain amount.
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DisturbedEma Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:07:59pm |
re: #482 Sharmuta
"Here is $13. Keep whatever change is left and remember to thank President 0bama for the weekly stimuls."
oooooooooh! good one!
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:08:03pm |
re: #458 OldLineTexan
I heard that. I want to pay for my mom. I don't want to pay for Octomom.
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notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:08:16pm |
re: #483 FrogMarch
That's exactly it. He lies and says he's for the middle class - but he wants to destroy it.
He IS destroying it.
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Kenneth Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:08:30pm |
re: #471 Occasional Reader
About two years ago, I recall reading an article, I think in the Economist, about how smart the Icelandic gov't was for running such a strong booming economy. I guess they were wrong, huh?
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USCMSNE Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:08:39pm |
re: #467 tradewind
How long do ya s'pose BHO & Co. will continue to fall back on the ' We inherited this' crap?
Some deushbag congressman was on Cavuto just now singing that song. I find it funny that a congressman would blame an "inherited" deficit when it's congress responsible for passing the budget.
Did I say funny. I meant sad.
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Gretchen Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:08:40pm |
re: #392 Chicago Blonde
When Bush was the president the media was hell bent on making the ecomomy worse than it was. Our local paper had an article that featured some families with hardhips like only being able to spend $50/week on Starbucks and having one car so one spouse took the bus to work. Now that the economy really has tanked this is all great! No food - we'll all lose weight!
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itellu3times Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:08:52pm |
re: #477 tradewind
Aren't there autocontrols in place to prevent an actual free-fall?
There are circuit-breakers, things you can't do when the loss exceeds X, but I don't think there are actual limits.
I think there's even a provision to close the market for 24 hours, and of course something like that could be done without notice, but not actual limits, no. Could be wrong.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:09:07pm |
re: #488 Chicago Blonde
I heard that. I want to pay for my mom. I don't want to pay for Octomom.
I don't want more socialism. I have more than I can stomach now.
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CyanSnowHawk Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:09:18pm |
re: #437 TheMatrix31
What's the largest one day drop ever?
From Wikipedia the 20 largest percentage daily drops in the DOW
Date, Points, Percent
1987-10-19, -508.00, -22.61
1929-10-28, -38.33, -12.82
1929-10-29, -30.57, -11.73
1929-11-06, -25.55, -9.92
1899-12-18, -5.57, -8.72
1932-08-12, -5.79, -8.40
1907-03-14, -6.89, -8.29
1987-10-26, -156.83, -8.04
2008-10-15, -733.08, -7.87
1933-07-21, -7.55, -7.84
1937-10-18, -10.57, -7.75
2008-12-01, -679.95, -7.70
2008-10-09, -678.91, -7.33
1917-02-01, -6.91, -7.24
1997-10-27, -554.26, -7.18
1932-10-05, -5.09, -7.15
2001-09-17, -684.81, -7.13
1931-09-24, -8.20, -7.07
1933-07-20, -7.32, -7.07
2008-09-29, -777.68, -6.98
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Ruebacca Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:09:44pm |
Wow Exxon down to $66.
Cap and trade will be the end of the democartic party. If they pass it and we have another winter like this one, they will be tost. "It's an investment against global warming." will not fly after another winter like this.
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itellu3times Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:09:48pm |
re: #490 Kenneth
About two years ago, I recall reading an article, I think in the Economist, about how smart the Icelandic gov't was for running such a strong booming economy. I guess they were wrong, huh?
Turns out they were spending too much on volcano monitoring.
/
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HippieforLife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:09:48pm |
re: #354 Fighton03
"I wish yuri's goat was dead...." envy and jealousy are truly ugly things
That makes it a sure bet - the Koskidz don't actually work! LOL!
What fools they are.
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:09:57pm |
re: #492 Gretchen
When Bush was the president the media was hell bent on making the ecomomy worse than it was. Our local paper had an article that featured some families with hardhips like only being able to spend $50/week on Starbucks...
Ok, that's their first problem, right there! I know, the media is a joke.
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SixDegrees Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:10:00pm |
re: #455 USCMSNE
One of my biggest regrets is that I didn't start investing heavily when I graduated high school. Compounding and time value of money are topics that I've always known. I just hadn't been as dedicated to investing as I should have been. No excuses. Is it a sign that the down is at it's lowest since 1997, the same year I graduated HS.
Same here. If I had started socking 10% of my income away back in high school, I would already be retired and living in style. Well, ignoring the events of the last few months, anyway. But I've still got 15 years (or more) until retirement age, and I've recently upped my 401k contributions to the point where I can't stand any more pain, on the theory that the market will - eventually - come back and continue growing.
If I'm wrong about that, I don't really see how hanging on to cash will do me any good over the long haul anyway. Except that you can stuff your walls with it for insulation.
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Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:10:02pm |
re: #481 buzzsawmonkey
Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?
They used to tell me I was building a dream
And so I followed the mob
When there was earth to plow or guns to bear
I was always there, right on the job
They used to tell me I was building a dream
With peace and glory ahead--
Why should I be standing in line
Just waiting for bread?Once I built a railroad, made it run
Made it race against time
Once I built a railroad, now it's done--
Brother, can you spare a dime?Once I built a tower, up to the sun
Brick and rivet and lime
Once I built a tower, now it's done--
Buddy, can you spare a dime?Once in khaki suits, oh, gee, we looked swell
Full of that Yankee-Doodley-dum
Half a million boots went slogging through hell
And I was the kid with the drumSay, don't you remember? They called me "Al"
It was Al all the time
Say, don't you remember? I'm your pal--
Brother, can you spare a dime?
The Obama Nation will be living in the old Hoovervilles....
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debutaunt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:10:08pm |
re: #479 FightingBack
More and more printed money, chasing the same supply of goods and services. Hello, Jimmah.
Hey, the wheelbarrows have odd or even numbers on them!
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MandyManners Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:10:12pm |
re: #489 notutopia
He IS destroying it.
Remember which church he's attended for 20 years, the church that hates the middle class.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:10:16pm |
re: #490 Kenneth
About two years ago, I recall reading an article, I think in the Economist, about how smart the Icelandic gov't was for running such a strong booming economy. I guess they were wrong, huh?
The Icelanders should get back to what their people have historically done best; raiding, looting and pillaging!
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Harry Tuttle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:10:20pm |
Alright fuck this doom and gloom crap. It's beer o'clock.
Have a good evening all.
Illegitimi Non Carborundum.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:10:43pm |
re: #462 Golem Akbar
In case anyone forgets, after so many years of communism, the Russian black market finally surfaced, and produced much of what became the Russian mafia. It was the Russian black market that kept that nation alive, but because it was so surpressed for so long, a lot of it was quite unsavory. If we destroy capitalism here in the states, it won't disappear, but will become a huge underground industry. That is a real danger.
I'm not so sold on that. We have a much longer tradition of capitalism than Russia did, and we won't be spending 70 years under Obamamunism. It may be more like Prohibition. Gangsters and the black market ruled the alcoholic beverage trade until it was repealed. After the repeal of Prohibition, the trade returned to the legitimate businesses, and the gangsters had to find something else or fall back on their traditional areas of expertise.
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:11:01pm |
re: #494 OldLineTexan
I don't want more socialism. I have more than I can stomach now.
And yet, if you oppose it you don't caaaaare. You're selfissssshh. I used to explain that I have my family to look after, but now I just look at the person calling me that and say, "And?"
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Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:11:13pm |
re: #392 Chicago Blonde
You know what's sad, is someone posted on a thread last week some treacly article about people getting "some good" from this - cutting back, spending time with the family etc. The timing angered me because that piece of fluff would never have been written if a Republican was in the White House.
Bothers the hell out of me, too! All that stuff is proper management of resources. If that "some good" had been practiced by more people, down turns would be easier to weather. But to take this tack, today, with what looks like an intentional federal poisioning of our economy is like telling a starving person that at least they are nice and thin!
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Kenneth Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:11:23pm |
re: #504 Occasional Reader
The Icelanders should get back to what their people have historically done best; raiding, looting and pillaging!
Whew, for a minute there, I thought your were going to say, Bjork.
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opnion Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:11:26pm |
re: #467 tradewind
How long do ya s'pose BHO & Co. will continue to fall back on the ' We inherited this' crap?
Their willing accomplices in the MSM will try to give them cover, but I think that BHO is over exposed. I say he wears thin in about six months & is forced to take ownership. His skin is thin , meltdown coming.
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blackisright Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:12:07pm |
You bad mouth the folks that can help bring things around and this is what you get. You promote ideas that have not work in over 100 yrs and this what you get. You repeat mistakes from the late 1920s and early 1930s this is what you get. No Mr. President, government is not the answer. Never was and never will be. Mr. Reagan and Bobby K had it right about tax cuts in a recs ion.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:12:10pm |
re: #495 CyanSnowHawk
1987-10-19, -508.00, -22.61
I remember that day. I was living overseas. Wondered, "is the next Great Depression us?" And instead... nothing happened. The economy just zoomed away. Of course, we had a very different class of man in the White House at the time.
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FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:12:13pm |
re: #503 MandyManners
Remember which church he's attended for 20 years, the church that hates the middle class.
The church were if ANY Republican had attended - they would have been immediately laughed off the political stage.
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doppelganglander Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:12:18pm |
re: #473 Caton
Now here's a nic I haven't seen in a long, long time. How are you?
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Maximu§ Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:12:19pm |
I have to get Back to work in the Uranium mines Comrades....~cough cough~
Please don't mind the pieces of lung I'm hacking up, my Doctor (who is a loyal party member) told me my X-rays from his Tupalov X-ray machine are fine and the black splotches showing are "nothing to worry about"
~cough...cough...Hack...Hack~
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shiplord kirel Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:12:30pm |
re: #505 Harry Tuttle
Alright fuck this doom and gloom crap. It's beer o'clock.
Have a good evening all.
Illegitimi Non Carborundum.
Yeah, I'm going to pop open a Guinness, while I can still afford it.
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albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:00pm |
re: #483 FrogMarch
That's exactly it. He lies and says he's for the middle class - but he wants to destroy it.
and he's in fact doing it...I'm getting killed, so is my 86yr old mom and my wealthy sister...we are getting fucking killed...I cannot find work and my savings is drying up...the rest of my 'wealth' is tied up in the stock market except for some stuff down in Jamaica for a fall back situation...but now I'm even affraid to go down to that crime ridden hell to recover what's there...what a fucking mess and it's all contrived by BO and his minions...I simply cannot express my anger...I'm about do for a fucking stroke
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turn Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:06pm |
re: #454 Shr_Nfr
Percentage wise, it was the 87 crash.
Named Black Friday IIRC. I just broke down and looked at my end of the year 401k statement I've had pigeon holed in my desk here at work. I was down 31% going into O taking the office which wasn't as bad as I thought, problem is it's probably dropped that much more since O took office. I'm honked, I should have bailed a year ago and bought gold. I'm stuck riding this thing out now I'm afraid.
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:09pm |
re: #476 Iron Fist
Any attempt to do anything helpful will only make things worse. As usual. I hope we won't need WWIII to get out of this mess.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:11pm |
re: #507 Iron Fist
I feel pretty smart right now. I invested in things last year that I'm probably going to need this year. Including a Beta-C mag in .223. It was back-ordered for six weeks, but I got it Friday. Now I'm wondering if I should order a second one...
While not quite as ambitious as you are in this line of investment strategy, I did order some boomstick-related stuff just last night.
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:12pm |
re: #509 Russkilitlover
Agree on all of it. I should have invested more and better, and I admit that. I could have cut more corners. But guess what? I can count the number of times I've been to Starbucks. It's rare for me.
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itellu3times Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:22pm |
re: #512 buzzsawmonkey
Brother, Can You Spare a Dime? sung by the great Bing Crosby.
That black comedian guy? I didn't know he could sing!
/
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Harry Tuttle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:23pm |
re: #518 shiplord kirel
Yeah, I'm going to pop open a Guinness, while I can still afford it.
Roger that buddy.
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notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:31pm |
re: #503 MandyManners
Remember which church he's attended for 20 years, the church that hates the middle class.
I remember.
The middle class ....the people that work hard and actually pay taxes to fund their social
welfare projects and "communities" and their education.
They hate us.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:31pm |
re: #508 Chicago Blonde
And yet, if you oppose it you don't caaaaare. You're selfissssshh. I used to explain that I have my family to look after, but now I just look at the person calling me that and say, "And?"
I have never been moved by those arguments. Of course I favor my family over your family. Of course I favor my town over your town. Of course I favor my state over your state. Of course I favor my country over your country.
/I'm not nuts
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:33pm |
re: #495 CyanSnowHawk
From Wikipedia the 20 largest percentage daily drops in the DOW
Date, Points, Percent
1987-10-19, -508.00, -22.61
1929-10-28, -38.33, -12.82
1929-10-29, -30.57, -11.73
1929-11-06, -25.55, -9.92
1899-12-18, -5.57, -8.72
1932-08-12, -5.79, -8.40
1907-03-14, -6.89, -8.29
1987-10-26, -156.83, -8.04
2008-10-15, -733.08, -7.87
1933-07-21, -7.55, -7.84
1937-10-18, -10.57, -7.75
2008-12-01, -679.95, -7.70
2008-10-09, -678.91, -7.33
1917-02-01, -6.91, -7.24
1997-10-27, -554.26, -7.18
1932-10-05, -5.09, -7.15
2001-09-17, -684.81, -7.13
1931-09-24, -8.20, -7.07
1933-07-20, -7.32, -7.07
2008-09-29, -777.68, -6.98
Thank you....those are some insane drops.
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Muadib Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:13:50pm |
re: #507 Iron Fist
I feel pretty smart right now. I invested in things last year that I'm probably going to need this year. Including a Beta-C mag in .223. It was back-ordered for six weeks, but I got it Friday. Now I'm wondering if I should order a second one...
Concentrate on ammo. Maybe some spare parts for the guns. And good luck...
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Natasha Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:14:33pm |
re: #462 Golem Akbar
In case anyone forgets, after so many years of communism, the Russian black market finally surfaced, and produced much of what became the Russian mafia. It was the Russian black market that kept that nation alive, but because it was so surpressed for so long, a lot of it was quite unsavory. If we destroy capitalism here in the states, it won't disappear, but will become a huge underground industry. That is a real danger.
You are absolutely correct. With Russia, after the black market surfaced, and after the turbulence and even brutal violence that accompanied it, there emerged true, non-mafiosi Russian businessmen, who actually wanted to work and produce, in Russia. However, these new capitalists were quickly cut down by the biggest and worst mafia of them all: the government. Russians' big mistake was that while they tried to experiment with capitalism, they left their huge parasitic government intact...
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Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:14:43pm |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:14:44pm |
re: #512 buzzsawmonkey
Brother, Can You Spare a Dime? sung by the great Bing Crosby.
That's, like, old, and, like, old stuff is, like, dumb, and, like, sucks n' stuff.
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:15:01pm |
re: #528 OldLineTexan
Of course I favor my family over your family. Of course I favor my town over your town.
//Into the Octagon, NOW buddy! :)
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OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:15:12pm |
re: #527 notutopia
I remember.
The middle class ....the people that work hard and actually pay taxes to fund their social
welfare projects and "communities" and their education.
They hate us.
Mules are valuable. The man who beats his mule to death is a fool.
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:15:23pm |
re: #534 Occasional Reader
That's, like, old, and, like, old stuff is, like, dumb, and, like, sucks n' stuff.
Y'know?
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KenJen Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:15:25pm |
re: #507 Iron Fist
I feel pretty smart right now. I invested in things last year that I'm probably going to need this year. Including a Beta-C mag in .223. It was back-ordered for six weeks, but I got it Friday. Now I'm wondering if I should order a second one...
Guns and ammo are never a bad investment. My next door neighbor took the Ford buy-out last year. This year he's making a killing selling off some of his gun collection and reloading ammo for friends at the gun range.-All from the comfort of his own home.
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Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:15:41pm |
re: #434 buzzsawmonkey
If the Dow is collapsible enough, it'll fit into somebody's back pocket.
Hmmmm. Obama with the Dow in his back pocket. Not a good image.
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chicagodudewhotrades Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:04pm |
re: #427 Harry Tuttle
I once wrote up a brief email where i looked at other places to invest in, other countries that could do better then the US over the coming years. It got turned into a bit of a group project since I emailed it around to friends asking for their thoughts and comments. If you look at big picture stuff, even with Zero at the WH, we still look better then pretty much everyone else. to quote what one friend said about the US economy compared to other nations: "the USA has had her purse snatched, Europe has been gang-raped and left for dead' I do see the Dollar staying the prime global currency and the nation the best investment in global terms, but we just gotta get thru until Nov 2010 (at the earliest) and Nov 2012
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:07pm |
re: #520 turn
Named Black Friday IIRC. I just broke down and looked at my end of the year 401k statement I've had pigeon holed in my desk here at work. I was down 31% going into O taking the office which wasn't as bad as I thought, problem is it's probably dropped that much more since O took office. I'm honked, I should have bailed a year ago and bought gold. I'm stuck riding this thing out now I'm afraid.
Yes, that's where we are. Just sitting on on the 401k, waiting for it to get better...might take ten years but we don't need it right now.
What's hard on people like us is that the massive amount of money being pumped out by the Fed is going to bring about inflation, and my husband's whole company took an across-the-board pay cut. We know folks who took bigger ones. So now we have less money to pay for things that will cost more.
Thanks.
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notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:11pm |
re: #536 OldLineTexan
Mules are valuable. The man who beats his mule to death is a fool.
O is a fool !
My mule butt is bleeding.
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midwestgak Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:21pm |
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Natasha Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:26pm |
What we see is Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" played out, in reality, in front of our own eyes. Fact is scarier than fiction, indeed.
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Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:28pm |
re: #529 TheMatrix31
Thank you....those are some insane drops.
20% of those came AFTER Obama became the Donkeys annointed one (~may2008), not too mention the death of a thousand cuts since his inauguration.
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HippieforLife Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:38pm |
re: #443 Iron Fist
No, he hasn't reached the lows that Reno did. He just set up the capture of a six year old boy by a swat team at midnight.
So, it looks like he just needs that little bit of effort to bypass Reno. LOL
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Blackacre Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:49pm |
re: #130 IslandLibertarian
O-BUMMER! bumper stickers @ $1.50 ea.
I'll make TRILLION$!
Try OWE-BUM-MAO!
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FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:50pm |
re: #519 albusteve
and he's in fact doing it...I'm getting killed, so is my 86yr old mom and my wealthy sister...we are getting fucking killed...I cannot find work and my savings is drying up...the rest of my 'wealth' is tied up in the stock market except for some stuff down in Jamaica for a fall back situation...but now I'm even affraid to go down to that crime ridden hell to recover what's there...what a fucking mess and it's all contrived by BO and his minions...I simply cannot express my anger...I'm about do for a fucking stroke
Stay calm, my friend. It sucks, but you are not alone. so many people have the same or very similar story. The last 5 years of my life were really busy work-wise. (you know- during those evil Bush years) and now work has dried up for me too. Life sucks right now- but we will persevere.
hang on.
Obama and the evil Democrats can suck it.
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SixDegrees Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:16:53pm |
re: #492 Gretchen
When Bush was the president the media was hell bent on making the ecomomy worse than it was. Our local paper had an article that featured some families with hardhips like only being able to spend $50/week on Starbucks and having one car so one spouse took the bus to work. Now that the economy really has tanked this is all great! No food - we'll all lose weight!
I remarked the other day that there may be problems with the sky-is-falling reports so common these days. The Best Buy near me always has a packed parking lot, and the local restaurants are likewise jammed, even midweek. So I'm not entirely swayed by the drumbeat of dismal news.
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Golem Akbar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:17:04pm |
re: #506 Honorary Yooper
I'm not so sold on that. We have a much longer tradition of capitalism than Russia did, and we won't be spending 70 years under Obamamunism. It may be more like Prohibition. Gangsters and the black market ruled the alcoholic beverage trade until it was repealed. After the repeal of Prohibition, the trade returned to the legitimate businesses, and the gangsters had to find something else or fall back on their traditional areas of expertise.
I think we're saying the same thing. Yes, we are not Russia. It -- Obama's socialism -- won't last long because it is so contrary to American tradition. Just like prohibition (good analogy), it produced an underground/black market economy, and once it ended, that economy emerged into legitimacy. But there was, and still is, a criminal class that was created as a result.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:17:07pm |
re: #529 TheMatrix31
Thank you....those are some insane drops.
/and every time the markets recovered and then some.
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shiplord kirel Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:17:10pm |
re: #458 OldLineTexan
I don't owe his parents health care.
Of course not. That's why I only said he was right to a certain extent, about some of the causes of the current disaster. He goes wrong is imagining that investor greed is somehow the reason for the lack of more freebies.
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Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:17:12pm |
re: #530 Muadib
Concentrate on ammo. Maybe some spare parts for the guns. And good luck...
Get a john browning design...the work forever!
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:17:14pm |
re: #516 doppelganglander
Now here's a nic I haven't seen in a long, long time. How are you?
As usual, somewhat older... like everybody here, I guess.
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tradewind Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:17:48pm |
re: #540 Iron Fist
At least it'll be a world class f---.
What steams me is reading that headling re ' global fix'.
We're already in this leaky boat ... the last thing we need is to welcome aboard a few other countries to sink it faster.
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dave bean Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:17:54pm |
Socialism at it's best. Obama has no idea...NO IDEA...on how to run a capitalist system.
Dave
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USBeast Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:18:33pm |
re: #536 OldLineTexan
Mules are valuable. The man who beats his mule to death is a fool.
Jackasses are valuable too, but we should quit electing them to office.
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Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:19:23pm |
I was considering a new line of work, but then I head this,
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:19:25pm |
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Perplexed Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:19:31pm |
re: #553 Golem Akbar
I think we're saying the same thing. Yes, we are not Russia. It -- Obama's socialism -- won't last long because it is so contrary to American tradition. Just like prohibition (good analogy), it produced an underground/black market economy, and once it ended, that economy emerged into legitimacy. But there was, and still is, a criminal class that was created as a result.
I would agree with you except for one thing. It is much easier to squeeze the toothpaste out of the tube than it is to put it back. Obama currently has a boulder resting on the tube of toothpaste called our economy and toothpaste is spraying all over the place. Sure we could fix it all and have some semblance of order, but at what cost to us?
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tradewind Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:19:51pm |
re: #560 USBeast
Darwin got it right when it came to the mule and its reproductive ability. Damned if I know why the electorate insisted on performing an in vitro in '08.........
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Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:20:28pm |
re: #561 buzzsawmonkey
Mentioned this to another congregant about my own age, and he said he had a nephew who simply couldn't watch black and white films. Can't process them.
Wow, are they missing out...
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reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:21:29pm |
re: #507 Iron Fist
I feel pretty smart right now. I invested in things last year that I'm probably going to need this year. Including a Beta-C mag in .223. It was back-ordered for six weeks, but I got it Friday. Now I'm wondering if I should order a second one...
Hope your not as dissapointed with it as I was!
Sent it back and ordered 5 30's!
Try loading one in the dark with just instinct !
IMHO.....
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:22:08pm |
re: #561 buzzsawmonkey
a very nice, hip young photog in my congregation who--at age 30--had never seen a Marx Brothers film
That's just plain criminal.
Ah, well. I've gotten used to everyone laughing at my ragged clothes, long hair, and rusty fowling piece.
Well, keep your Sunnyside up.
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:22:12pm |
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Dave the..... Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:22:45pm |
Here's a fun story...liberal Democrat from Minneapolis fabricated his past.
[Link: www.mndaily.com...]
Student to drop from City Council race, lied about past
Subhead:
An investigation by The Minnesota Daily found that Carlson lied on several occasions concerning items such as his college education at Princeton University and where he grew up.
BY Briana Bierschbach
PUBLISHED: 03/02/2009
Just days before DFL caucusing begins for Minneapolis City Council elections, Charles Carlson — University of Minnesota student and Minnesota representative at the Democratic National Convention — said he will announce Monday his withdrawal from the Ward 2 councilmember race following a series of lies regarding his past and his qualifications.
An investigation by The Minnesota Daily found that Carlson lied on several occasions concerning items such as his college education at Princeton University and where he grew up.
Carlson, who speaks with an English accent, previously claimed he grew up in Ramsgate, England, but admitted recently that he grew up in the United States.
The Daily confirmed that Carlson attended elementary school, middle schools and high schools throughout Minnesota, including Northfield High School, where a former classmate said Carlson did not have an accent. Also, the classmate did not have any knowledge of Carlson previously living in England.
............................................................
Other false claims
In a Sept. 2008 article titled, “Minnesota Represented at DNC by U student delegate,” Carlson stated that he officiated tennis at the 2008 Beijing Olympics. On Saturday Carlson admitted this claim is false.
Carlson also stated that he had a personal connection to Sen. Hillary Clinton that dated back to his childhood spent in England, where Clinton shared a crème brûlée torte with him. Carlson said this story is not true.
Carlson said he worked as a communications director on the Hillary Clinton campaign, but the Daily was not able to confirm this independently.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:22:49pm |
re: #556 Fighton03
Get a john browning design...the work forever!
Gaston Glock is no slouch, either.
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turn Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:22:49pm |
re: #543 EmmmieG
Yes, that's where we are. Just sitting on on the 401k, waiting for it to get better...might take ten years but we don't need it right now.
What's hard on people like us is that the massive amount of money being pumped out by the Fed is going to bring about inflation, and my husband's whole company took an across-the-board pay cut. We know folks who took bigger ones. So now we have less money to pay for things that will cost more.
Thanks.
Yes the inflation thing is scary, less for more seems to fit right in with O's strategy for this country. The only potential upside to hanging in there is the contributions I'm making at the low market rates now will hopefully (I hate that word hope now) rebound and help me recover sooner. Recommendation for a bumper sticker "Hope was Hype".
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:23:00pm |
This article is blaming the dip in stocks today on the news from AIG earnings/losses. In the article it say.
"AIG: AIG reported a $62 billion fourth-quarter loss, the largest in U.S. corporate history, on turmoil in the credit markets and massive restructuring costs. For the full year, AIG lost $99 billion after reporting a profit of $9.3 billion in 2007.
To keep the company from collapsing and infecting the broader financial market, the government is revising its bailout for the third time and committing another $30 billion in exchange for cumulative preferred stock. The rescue plan now totals $162.5 billion. (Full story)"
If they have put in 162 billion, and they have lost almost half of that, isn't that sort of like a negative return.
Should they let this company die?
Shows you how much I know.
[Link: money.cnn.com...]
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Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:23:00pm |
The next person in my office who mentions 6 Sigma in my presence is going to get punched in the throat.
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gymmom Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:23:14pm |
Was curious what cnn was saying today and saw this at their website.
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Golem Akbar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:23:38pm |
re: #564 Perplexed
I would agree with you except for one thing. It is much easier to squeeze the toothpaste out of the tube than it is to put it back. Obama currently has a boulder resting on the tube of toothpaste called our economy and toothpaste is spraying all over the place. Sure we could fix it all and have some semblance of order, but at what cost to us?
I'm not quite sure what you mean (I too am perplexed...), but I worry that too much socialism will push us into an underground economy, and that will create still another criminal class of entrepreneurs. It remains to be seen how we will be affected. I guess we get to find out, soon enough.
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WoodstockDave Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:23:59pm |
Can we all now agree that Barry Bailout doesn't have the magical powers once claimed by his drooling acolytes?
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notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:24:01pm |
re: #561 buzzsawmonkey
Missed you on the board yesterday, but I mentioned that I spoke on Saturday to a a very nice, hip young photog in my congregation who--at age 30--had never seen a Marx Brothers film. Ever. Mentioned this to another congregant about my own age, and he said he had a nephew who simply couldn't watch black and white films. Can't process them.
Ah, well. I've gotten used to everyone laughing at my ragged clothes, long hair, and rusty fowling piece.
I re-watched a B&W classic last evening, 1949, Rands,
The Fountainhead.... wonderful!
[Link: www.genordell.com...]
| 580 |
Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:24:10pm |
Walter, got a Lost question for you, but never seem to be able to catch you.
| 581 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:24:41pm |
| 582 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:24:50pm |
re: #534 Occasional Reader
That's, like, old, and, like, old stuff is, like, dumb, and, like, sucks n' stuff.
And it doesn't have electrolytes......
| 583 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:24:59pm |
re: #571 Dave the.....
SO he wasn't just a liar, he was a bad liar. He didn't think some kid was going to come from his past and call him on it?
| 584 |
FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:25:16pm |
Left-wingers are such selfish ingrates. gimme gimme gimmee - mine mine mine.
I know a couple who live in Tornoto and they promise that if the US goes to a socialized health care system like they have in Canada - we will be bankrupt within 10 years.
We are bankrupt now! no matter-- the big government fascists have their eyes on the prize.
Oblivious to what we really need: a competitive insurance system.
| 585 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:25:24pm |
re: #575 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The next person in my office who mentions 6 Sigma in my presence is going to get punched in the throat.
6 Sigma. There, I said it. What is it?
| 586 |
DaddyG Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:26:04pm |
re: #575 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The next person in my office who mentions 6 Sigma in my presence is going to get punched in the throat.
A bunch of standard deviants they are!
| 587 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:26:04pm |
| 588 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:26:06pm |
re: #582 Fighton03
And it doesn't have electrolytes......
So it's not what plants crave.
Mike Judge should be a history teacher...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:26:11pm |
re: #580 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Walter, got a Lost question for you, but never seem to be able to catch you.
Shoot.
| 590 |
shiplord kirel Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:26:16pm |
Sheesh.
Survivalists are becoming like the spaceflight enthusiasts and rocket boys of the 1930s and '40s, mocked as lunatics for decades only to be dramatically vindicated by real world events.
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OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:26:24pm |
| 592 |
jorline Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:26:39pm |
re: #575 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The next person in my office who mentions 6 Sigma in my presence is going to get punched in the throat.
lmao...how did we function pre 6 Sigma?
Oh...I forgot, we had Stephen Covey.
| 593 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:26:40pm |
KEGGER TONIGHT AT 6 SIGMA DELTA PHI! WOOO-HOOO! TOGA! TOGA!
| 594 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:27:12pm |
| 595 |
Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:27:24pm |
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Perplexed Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:27:28pm |
re: #575 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The next person in my office who mentions 6 Sigma in my presence is going to get punched in the throat.
ISO certification?
KANBAN?
TOTAL Quality Management?
The Japanese?
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Dave the..... Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:27:32pm |
Chicago Blonde
SO he wasn't just a liar, he was a bad liar. He didn't think some kid was going to come from his past and call him on it?
At least he didn't say he spent a Christmas eve on the Cambodian border.
| 598 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:27:45pm |
I the markets roll over again tomorrow . . .
/big bummer
| 599 |
DaddyG Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:27:55pm |
re: #592 jorline
lmao...how did we function pre 6 Sigma?
Oh...I forgot, we had Stephen Covey.
The 7 habits of the Apocalypse?
| 600 |
BigAl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:28:04pm |
Emperor Barack Nero Obama. This guy is so pissed off he doesn't care what or who he destroys. The sooner he burns it down the sooner we can rebuild, and we will, with him and his Roman Senate long gone.
America, ""You wanted violins and you got Nero."
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see bs Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:28:22pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
Wow... I just... wow...
Reminds me of the old Soviet joke..
A Russian peasant neighbor owns a cow, the peasant owns none. One day the peasant finds a bottle with a genie that will grant the peasant one wish. The genie asks "would you like a cow, like your neighbor?" No says the peasant, just kill my neighbors cow.
Sad that its fits todays times.
| 602 |
midwestgak Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:28:34pm |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:28:55pm |
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Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:28:57pm |
re: #589 Walter L. Newton
Shoot.
In my office, the current theory for the promise Ben had to keep in LA before getting the flight was killing Widmore's daughter, Penny, since he realized Desmond was in town and she would be close by. Your opinion?
| 605 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:29:07pm |
re: #560 USBeast
Jackasses are valuable too, but we should quit electing them to office.
One analogy at a time, please!
/
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abaleh Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:29:14pm |
re: #579 notutopia
I re-watched a B&W classic last evening, 1949, Rands,
The Fountainhead.... wonderful!
[Link: www.genordell.com...]
re: #579 notutopia
I re-watched a B&W classic last evening, 1949, Rands,
The Fountainhead.... wonderful!
[Link: www.genordell.com...]
Saw "The Misfits" for the first time Saturday; good film.
| 607 |
SixDegrees Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:29:33pm |
re: #581 Occasional Reader
AIG dying would be... seismic.
Why, exactly? More specifically, how would it be worse than pouring ever-increasing sums into it in what seems to be doomed attempt to prop it up?
| 608 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:29:59pm |
re: #597 Dave the.....
Chicago Blonde
At least he didn't say he spent a Christmas eve on the Cambodian border.
...being shot at by drunken allies or Khmer Rouge while clinging to his good luck hat.
| 609 |
Honorary Yooper Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:30:06pm |
re: #495 CyanSnowHawk
From Wikipedia the 20 largest percentage daily drops in the DOW
Date, Points, Percent
1987-10-19, -508.00, -22.61
1929-10-28, -38.33, -12.82
1929-10-29, -30.57, -11.73
1929-11-06, -25.55, -9.92
1899-12-18, -5.57, -8.72
1932-08-12, -5.79, -8.40
1907-03-14, -6.89, -8.29
1987-10-26, -156.83, -8.04
2008-10-15, -733.08, -7.87
1933-07-21, -7.55, -7.84
1937-10-18, -10.57, -7.75
2008-12-01, -679.95, -7.70
2008-10-09, -678.91, -7.33
1917-02-01, -6.91, -7.24
1997-10-27, -554.26, -7.18
1932-10-05, -5.09, -7.15
2001-09-17, -684.81, -7.13
1931-09-24, -8.20, -7.07
1933-07-20, -7.32, -7.07
2008-09-29, -777.68, -6.98
1907 and a couple of others are from panics. 1987 (and 2001 for that matter) could be considered a panic like 1907. However, the rest of those not from 2008 are from the Great Depression, and the number from 2008 approaches those from 1929. Scary trend, IMHO.
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Perplexed Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:30:19pm |
re: #601 see bs
Wow... I just... wow...
Reminds me of the old Soviet joke..
A Russian peasant neighbor owns a cow, the peasant owns none. One day the peasant finds a bottle with a genie that will grant the peasant one wish. The genie asks "would you like a cow, like your neighbor?" No says the peasant, just kill my neighbors cow.
Sad that its fits todays times.
A joke that got a stand up comic sent to prison:
Why does the KGB send agents out in teams of three?
Ans: One can read. One can write. And the last keeps an eye on the two intellectuals.
| 611 |
Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:30:21pm |
6 Sigma is supposed to be process and business management streamlining. So far it has meant 3 hours of concalls a day where nothing gets done and we go over the same crap repeatedly.
| 612 |
Natasha Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:30:25pm |
When productivity and independence become a crime, I will proudly bear the title of "criminal". A "crime" against socialist swinery is the highest of virtues.
| 613 |
bnichols10 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:30:28pm |
This chart explains it all...
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/02/do-math-investors-graph.html
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midwestgak Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:30:35pm |
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FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:30:46pm |
re: #600 BigAl
Emperor Barack Nero Obama. This guy is so pissed off he doesn't care what or who he destroys. The sooner he burns it down the sooner we can rebuild, and we will, with him and his Roman Senate long gone.
America, ""You wanted violins and you got Nero."
WORD.
and A-men.
| 616 |
jorline Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:31:03pm |
re: #599 DaddyG
The 7 habits of the Apocalypse?
Circle of influence/Circle of concern.
What apocalypse?
| 617 |
Dustyvet Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:31:34pm |
re: #601 see bs
Wow... I just... wow...
Reminds me of the old Soviet joke..
A Russian peasant neighbor owns a cow, the peasant owns none. One day the peasant finds a bottle with a genie that will grant the peasant one wish. The genie asks "would you like a cow, like your neighbor?" No says the peasant, just kill my neighbors cow.
Sad that its fits todays times.
Betsy Potter: Let's try some arithmetic. If you had six apples and your neighbor took three apples. What would you have?
Evil Roy Slade: A dead neighbor and all six apples.
Evil Roy Slade (1972)
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:31:47pm |
re: #607 SixDegrees
Why, exactly?
Much of what's left of the connective tissue holding the financial system together would quickly unravel.
I don't know where "the line" is in terms of "how much is too much", but I actually could see the logic in the US government stepping in to prop up AIG, to prevent (worse) contagion.
| 620 |
A Kiwi Infidel Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:31:58pm |
re: #601 see bs
Wow... I just... wow...
Reminds me of the old Soviet joke..
American citizens enjoyed freedom, the communists and islamists had none. One day the commies and the islamists finds a bottle with a genie that will grant the commies and the islamists one wish. The genie asks "would you like freedom, like the Americans?" No says the commies and the islamists , just destroy the Americans freedom.
Sad that its fits todays times.
Revised for today
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Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:32:03pm |
Seriously, how many sellers can possibly be left?
/it's a finite number
| 622 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:32:05pm |
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OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:32:12pm |
re: #594 Walter L. Newton
That helped. NOT!
Often seen as Total Quality Management. Which is a process wherein management gets the workforce together to put themselves out of a job with ever-improving efficiencies.
It even has a song (usually sung out of the hearing of the bosses):
Dr. Deming saved Japan!
Total Quality!
We can do it, yes we can!
Total Quality!
| 624 |
DaddyG Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:32:21pm |
re: #611 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
6 Sigma is supposed to be process and business management streamlining. So far it has meant 3 hours of concalls a day where nothing gets done and we go over the same crap repeatedly.
If you want a more effective process go with lean. If you want to make widgets within an incredibly tight tolerence go with sigma. If your 6 sigma green, yellow or black belt says 6 sigma is for streamlining head for the door.
| 625 |
Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:32:25pm |
re: #575 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The next person in my office who mentions 6 Sigma in my presence is going to get punched in the throat.
How do you feel about TQM?
| 626 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:32:37pm |
re: #572 Occasional Reader
Gaston Glock is no slouch, either.
It is the ultimate point and click interface, but the 1911A1 fits my hand a lot better.
| 627 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:32:50pm |
So, skills to be polished in 2009:
Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
Gardening
Anything else?
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OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:32:57pm |
re: #598 Killian Bundy
I the markets roll over again tomorrow . . .
/big bummer
Me the markets roll over every day now.
;)
| 629 |
Dustyvet Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:33:06pm |
re: #608 Chicago Blonde
...being shot at by drunken allies or Khmer Rouge while clinging to his good luck hat.
Which Purple Heart was that, #2 or #3, I know how he got #1...:)
/S
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Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:33:14pm |
re: #611 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
3 hours of concalls a day where nothing gets done and we go over the same crap repeatedly.
Today's concall for me; they sent a PowerPoint in the morning. Then the concall was about 10 minutes late getting started. Once started, they... read the PowerPoint, basically, for about a half hour. Not sure I say the point.
| 632 |
A Kiwi Infidel Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:33:24pm |
re: #621 Killian Bundy
Seriously, how many sellers can possibly be left?
/it's a finite number
George Soros will be buying in the morning
| 634 |
Ruebacca Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:33:32pm |
re: #318 SixDegrees
So, I have a question. Today's market plunge was triggered by awful news from AIG, coupled with the government's announcement that they are trying yet another plan to prop the company up. The continuing plans followed by failures followed by yet another plan is, I think, more responsible for the market's downturn than AIG's losses themselves.
The argument for this continuing support goes something like, "AIG is so large and so tied in with so many other institutions that it's failure would have a catastrophic ripple effect."
What I wanna know is - what effect would that be, exactly? At what point do we stop shoving our hand and taxdollars up this corpse's backside, and decide that the costs of failure are outweighed by the costs of continued support? What, exactly, is it that is supposed to happen if AIG crashes and burns that is so horrible that we're throwing sums exceeding the GDP of most of the world's nations at it, while mortgaging our own nation's future in the bargain? At what point is failure an option?
I'd like to see a detailed projection of what would ensue following AIG's collapse, rather than simply being brushed off with non-excuses like "It would be bad." Right now, I'm thinking that failure can't possibly be any worse than the decidedly nebulous solution we're pursuing.
Can anyone paint a fact-based picture? Not a worst-case scenario - a likely scenario.
New York Banks have too many political connections to be allowed to fail. In the SNL crisis we seized the failing SNL's, payed the insured deposits and sold the assets to the highest bider. Keating got 5 senators in trouble, but New York banks own both houses of congress.
Last Fall the Clinton-Rubin click got the gulf Arabs to kick in 500 billion to "save" Citi bank. The gulf Arabs will lose this money if Citi continues to sink. Behind the sinces this is a top priority for Hillary and Obama to keep Citi alive or their Arab paymasters will lose big time. So more tax payer money will be thrown down this whole.
The Arabs built Clinton's library. Obama is on the same gravy train.
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Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:33:40pm |
re: #603 Occasional Reader
Did I say that?
No, you didn't; OTOH the fear of normal market adjustment is what is driving this whole mess.
Pumping blood in a corpse is pretty useless. Sucking dry every living body around just to keep the corpse warm and rosy is wrong. So let AIG die.
| 636 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:33:49pm |
re: #626 Fighton03
It is the ultimate point and click interface, but the 1911A1 fits my hand a lot better.
Same here. Can't hit the side of a barn with a Glock. Love the 1911a1.
| 637 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:33:54pm |
| 638 |
FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:02pm |
Our current congress and senate must be flushed. In Every state - we must get involved to unseat the inept, corrupt, left-wing, anti-freedom establishment. (and the rinos) We must be ready for a double battle. We are up against the media and the cheat-to-win (D) ACORN machine.
| 639 |
Perplexed Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:24pm |
re: #627 EmmmieG
So, skills to be polished in 2009:
Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
GardeningAnything else?
Bartering
Turning in your family and friends for fun and profit.
Blackmarketing
| 640 |
A Kiwi Infidel Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:26pm |
re: #627 EmmmieG
So, skills to be polished in 2009:
Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
GardeningAnything else?
Preserves, start bottling now, no guarantee of electricity.
| 641 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:29pm |
re: #628 OldLineTexan
Me the markets roll over every day now.
;)
/yeah, but now we've blown through support
| 642 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:31pm |
re: #629 Dustyvet
Which Purple Heart was that, #2 or #3, I know how he got #1...:)
/S
Dunno, with Lurch I gave up trying to keep it straight!
| 643 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:42pm |
re: #627 EmmmieG
So, skills to be polished in 2009:
Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
GardeningAnything else?
CQB?
| 644 |
Golem Akbar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:44pm |
re: #627 EmmmieG
So, skills to be polished in 2009:
Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
GardeningAnything else?
Americans are a clever bunch. I'd say the black-market trading will cover just about everything.
| 645 |
Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:47pm |
re: #624 DaddyG
If you want a more effective process go with lean. If you want to make widgets within an incredibly tight tolerence go with sigma. If your 6 sigma green, yellow or black belt says 6 sigma is for streamlining head for the door.
Supposedly, this is lean 6 sigma. So far, its been a headache since the people organizing it dont have a clue about technical aspects of the job and have made wildly inaccurate assumptions before inviting us into the process and now expect us to fix their errors for them.
| 646 |
sandspur Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:34:51pm |
| 647 |
see bs Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:35:03pm |
OT : Just read on Fox
President Obama offered to consider scrapping plans for a missile defense shield in Europe if Russia helps rein in Iran's nuclear program, the Russian newspaper Kommersant reported.
Any truth to this, because it wouldn't suprise me the least. Thank you Obummer for selling out our allies to "appease" Russia.
Reign in Iran...right... Russia selling them arms...Why would Russia want to do that?
| 648 |
wltzacrsstxs Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:35:21pm |
122 mfarmer
Argh! As bad as the Kos Kids. There is no "financial gimmick" involved in this picture. The Dow is a measure of the value of a group of industrial stocks. Dow down = share price down. Share prices are down because people believe the value of the company has declined.
Most "investors" in the S&P 500, or for that matter most stocks traded on the NYSE, are mutual funds and pension funds. The largest shareholders in ExxonMobil are not people, or executives; they are mutual funds like the Vanguard Index 500 fund.
If you have a pension or a single share in a single mutual fund (either in a 401k, an IRA, or just an investment), you own a piece of the S&P 500.
The big problem here is hoarding and panic. When Joe Citizen freaks out and sells all the stock in his 401k because he wants to hold cash, the mutual fund manager has to sell some of the stock he's holding so that he can give Joe some cash. Mutual fund manager HAS NO CHOICE. He has to sell whatever he can, for whatever price he can get, to pay out the person who wants out. This is why there are back loads on so many funds; it keeps people from selling unless they are super serious because they get charged for it.
Panic and wanting to stuff cash, any cash, under the mattress is what's causing the Dow to plummet. If Obambi would shut his pie hole (and if Bush/Paulson had never opened theirs), perhaps the entire globe would not be panicking and perceiving their investments as being worthless.
Throw in mark-to-market accounting and it's a vicious downward spiral. The only thing that's going to stop it is a good old fashioned "Morning in America" speech from somebody people trust.
The sniveling KosKiddie strikes me as somebody with zero ambition. If he'd obtain a useful skill and get out there and hustle, he would have been doing fine. I recommend plumbing; a good plumber always works and even if you make a mistake, you just get really dirty. Careless electricians get fried.
| 649 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:35:33pm |
re: #627 EmmmieG
No joke? I'd think about rainbarrels for water, for the plants if nothing else.
| 650 |
Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:35:37pm |
re: #631 Occasional Reader
Today's concall for me; they sent a PowerPoint in the morning. Then the concall was about 10 minutes late getting started. Once started, they... read the PowerPoint, basically, for about a half hour. Not sure I say the point.
I would say we were on the same call, but mine went for 90 minutes. That was just the afternoon call.
| 651 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:35:58pm |
re: #604 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
In my office, the current theory for the promise Ben had to keep in LA before getting the flight was killing Widmore's daughter, Penny, since he realized Desmond was in town and she would be close by. Your opinion?
That's the most obvious. They are in town, they live on a boat, Ben was making that phone call from a marina.
But, in my mind that is too straight forward, the writers are more clever than that.
But the problem is, there was not enough info in the scene to really compose any other theories.
EVERYONE hates been, but I have been saying all along, he is a good guy. But, we'll see...
And if you are interested, here is my post this week on last weeks episode...
Doggone it. People like me!
[Link: www.docarzt.com...]
| 652 |
notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:35:59pm |
re: #627 EmmmieG
So, skills to be polished in 2009:
Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
GardeningAnything else?
Firearms handling: handgun, small and large bore rifle, shotgun
Brass ammo and Reloading skills
| 653 |
Occasional Reader Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:36:27pm |
re: #636 Creeping Eruption
Same here. Can't hit the side of a barn with a Glock. Love the 1911a1.
We may have just started the first "which is better, M1911 or Glock?" thread in history!
////
| 654 |
Natasha Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:36:29pm |
re: #627 EmmmieG
So, skills to be polished in 2009:
Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
GardeningAnything else?
Shooting, intimidation, interrogation, crazy driving... A scary accent is a plus. Also, horrible taste in jewelry and clothes.
/a little dark humor from a former USSR denizen/
| 655 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:36:42pm |
re: #633 ploome hineni
my electrician, who voted for Nobama, blames everyone in government
says the Dems are not to blamethere is enough blame to go around
There's an electrician that's not too bright. Maybe his wires are crossed. I'll blow a fuse if I think about him again.
| 656 |
Boxy_brown Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:37:11pm |
Is it still a good thing we didn't elect the RINO...
| 657 |
SixDegrees Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:37:14pm |
re: #619 Occasional Reader
Much of what's left of the connective tissue holding the financial system together would quickly unravel.
I don't know where "the line" is in terms of "how much is too much", but I actually could see the logic in the US government stepping in to prop up AIG, to prevent (worse) contagion.
I'm not understanding why this would happen. Let's say AIG held a conference call tomorrow morning and announced they were throwing in the towel, submitting to Chapter 7 and ceasing all activity immediately. Can you sketch out what would happen? What about the more likely scenario involving a slower, more orderly shutdown?
| 658 |
Honorary Yooper Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:37:40pm |
re: #656 Boxy_brown
Is it still a good thing we didn't elect the RINO...
I'd rather the RINO than this bull in the proverbial china shop.
| 659 |
jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:37:51pm |
re: #655 OldLineTexan
There's an electrician that's not too bright. Maybe his wires are crossed. I'll blow a fuse if I think about him again.
Sounds like he's not well grounded in the basics.
| 660 |
FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:10pm |
re: #633 ploome hineni
my electrician, who voted for Nobama, blames everyone in government
says the Dems are not to blamethere is enough blame to go around
Your electrician has some bad faith.
| 661 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:10pm |
re: #623 OldLineTexan
Often seen as Total Quality Management. Which is a process wherein management gets the workforce together to put themselves out of a job with ever-improving efficiencies.
It even has a song (usually sung out of the hearing of the bosses):
Dr. Deming saved Japan!
Total Quality!
We can do it, yes we can!
Total Quality!
I see. Hmmmm, I usually walk out of meeting like that. I come from the old school of management.
"You are Scrooge, you are my boss, you tell me what to do, I do it, and do it well, you give me a paycheck, I go home"
Easy.
| 662 |
midwestgak Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:11pm |
re: #644 Golem Akbar
Americans are a clever bunch. I'd say the black-market trading will cover just about everything.
You assume there will be something left to trade.
| 663 |
UFO TOFU Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:15pm |
re: #617 Dustyvet
Evil Roy Slade (1972)
Loved that movie.
"Call the blacksmith!"
"Smith!"
Smith "I know, I know."
| 664 |
Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:25pm |
re: #623 OldLineTexan
Often seen as Total Quality Management. Which is a process wherein management gets the workforce together to put themselves out of a job with ever-improving efficiencies.
It even has a song (usually sung out of the hearing of the bosses):
Dr. Deming saved Japan!
Total Quality!
We can do it, yes we can!
Total Quality!
(quietly, from the corner, sheepishly raises hand). That's my new job now. TQM, process/system improvement, customer satisfaction.
| 666 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:42pm |
re: #640 A Kiwi Infidel
Preserves, start bottling now, no guarantee of electricity.
Without coal plants, we are guaranteed to not have electricity.
Coal supplies over half the electricity in the US, and we just don't have enough unicorns yet to replace it.
| 667 |
MandyManners Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:44pm |
Binary code folks?
01100101 01101110 01110100 01101001 01110100 01101100 01100101 01100100 00100000 01110011 01110000 01100101 01100011 01101001 01100001 01101100 00100000 01110011 01101110 01101111 01110111 01100110 01101100 01100001 01101011 01100101
| 668 |
notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:46pm |
re: #630 buzzsawmonkey
I enjoy Rand's use of symbolic names in the book:
Guy Francon: A "guy" is a fool, or figure of fun. A franc, of course, is money; the "-on" suffix is usually a magnifier. Guy Francon is a fool for big money.
Dominique Francon: She is, of course, not dominated by money, i.e., not ruled by it--though she first appears to be, as a spoiled rich girl. Hence her interestingly ambiguous first name.
Gail Wynand: "Gail" = gale, i.e., wind. He tries to pander to the mob, and is destroyed by what he has created. In other words, he sows the wind and reaps the whirlwind.
Ellsworth Toohey: The old line was, "give him an inch, and he'll take an ell," an "ell" being an antique name for a yard. Ellsworth Toohey, the proponent of PC and Gramscianism, is always on the lookout to take advantage, then take a little more; he'll take an ell's worth, then another too.
Peter Keating: He's the talent who peters out. He's also a bit of a louse; Keating's Powder was a preparation commonly used at the time the book was written to get rid of insect infestation.
My word Buzzsawmonkey, I just received a whole different dimension on the enjoyment of the movie!
Thanks.
| 669 |
Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:38:59pm |
re: #651 Walter L. Newton
That's the most obvious. They are in town, they live on a boat, Ben was making that phone call from a marina.
But, in my mind that is too straight forward, the writers are more clever than that.
But the problem is, there was not enough info in the scene to really compose any other theories.
EVERYONE hates been, but I have been saying all along, he is a good guy. But, we'll see...
And if you are interested, here is my post this week on last weeks episode...
Doggone it. People like me!
[Link: www.docarzt.com...]
I dont think the travel times really work with a boat though. I thought they showed the boat in England, then Desmond supposedly went straight to LA and was there a day or 2 later, so its obvious they couldn't have sailed straight there. I think Ben calling from the Marina was a red herring to throw us off.
| 670 |
DaddyG Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:39:00pm |
re: #645 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Supposedly, this is lean 6 sigma. So far, its been a headache since the people organizing it dont have a clue about technical aspects of the job and have made wildly inaccurate assumptions before inviting us into the process and now expect us to fix their errors for them.
Lean 6 Sigma is not Lean. I'm not surprised you are suffering through that. A real Lean project uses the people who own the process to identify ways to improve it, not a cult of outside consultants with colored belts. (Sorry for the vitriol but I've seen to many people use the words quality and efficiency that couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag if you cut them a door.)
| 671 |
Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:39:44pm |
re: #633 ploome hineni
my electrician, who voted for Nobama, blames everyone in government
says the Dems are not to blame
I suggest you stock up on candles.
| 672 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:39:49pm |
re: #661 Walter L. Newton
I see. Hmmmm, I usually walk out of meeting like that. I come from the old school of management.
"You are Scrooge, you are my boss, you tell me what to do, I do it, and do it well, you give me a paycheck, I go home"
Easy.
Imagine Scrooge has a boss six levels up that INSISTS that the workplace will have a TQM process.
The plumber's rule still applies.
| 673 |
Sheila Broflovski Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:39:57pm |
re: #627 EmmmieG
So, skills to be polished in 2009:
Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
GardeningAnything else?
Moonshining.
| 674 |
summergurl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:40:12pm |
re: #656 Boxy_brown
Is it still a good thing we didn't elect the RINO...
I don't believe that McCain would have said "no earmarks " and then sign bills chockful of them.
| 675 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:40:27pm |
re: #656 Boxy_brown
Is it still a good thing we didn't elect the RINO...
Of course, that way we get to preserve our True ConservativeTM party values.
/wait, what?
| 676 |
WoodstockDave Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:40:38pm |
re: #631 Occasional Reader
I like the really huge conference calls we have occasionally...though they ask everyone to put themselves on mute, there's always one guy who forgets. He can usually be heard wondering out loud to (he thinks) himself (and this is a direct quote)..."how much f***ing longer can this piece of sh*t go on?"
| 677 |
Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:40:51pm |
re: #664 Russkilitlover
(quietly, from the corner, sheepishly raises hand). That's my new job now. TQM, process/system improvement, customer satisfaction.
SONOFABITCH!
///
| 678 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:41:13pm |
re: #664 Russkilitlover
(quietly, from the corner, sheepishly raises hand). That's my new job now. TQM, process/system improvement, customer satisfaction.
You are so screwed in some ways, but I see job stability in your future.
| 679 |
Natasha Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:41:31pm |
re: #673 Alouette
Moonshining.
Rats! I forgot that one! Brewing beer is good too, and is better for you. (I hate moonshine, as well as it's repulsive Russian cousin "samogon")
| 680 |
soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:41:31pm |
re: #559 dave bean
Socialism at it's best. Obama has no idea...NO IDEA...on how to run a capitalist system.
Dave
But he sure knows how to run one into the ground.
| 681 |
summergurl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:41:47pm |
re: #662 midwestgak
You assume there will be something left to trade.
Time to plant a vegetable garden so you can barter with turnips and radishes
| 682 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:42:29pm |
re: #681 summergurl
Time to plant a vegetable garden so you can barter with turnips and radishes
Who are you trading with? Fraggles?
| 683 |
Boxy_brown Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:42:39pm |
re: #675 Slumbering Behemoth
Of course, that way we get to preserve our True ConservativeTM party values.
Thank you, I was beginning to think we shot ourselves in the foot.
| 684 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:43:02pm |
re: #653 Occasional Reader
We may have just started the first "which is better, M1911 or Glock?" thread in history!
////
As long as I get the credit :)
| 685 |
Natasha Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:43:04pm |
re: #681 summergurl
Time to plant a vegetable garden so you can barter with turnips and radishes
Turnips make great projectiles. If smaller caliber is needed, radishes will do splendidly, too!
| 686 |
Dustyvet Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:43:19pm |
re: #663 UFO TOFU
Betsy Potter: I love you, Roy.
Evil Roy Slade: Nobody's ever said that to me before.
Aggie Potter: Move, buzzard breath!
Evil Roy Slade: THAT'S been said to me before.
| 687 |
DaddyG Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:43:45pm |
re: #664 Russkilitlover
(quietly, from the corner, sheepishly raises hand). That's my new job now. TQM, process/system improvement, customer satisfaction.
If you want to use lean tools use this - (good for service industry or government services) [Link: www.lean.org...]
| 689 |
USBeast Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:43:59pm |
re: #627 EmmmieG
So, skills to be polished in 2009:
Standing in line
Black-market trading
Fixing things that you already have (Tinkering used to be a hobby, now it will be a way of life.)
Patching clothes
Cooking from scratch
GardeningAnything else?
"There's an old man with a tote sack
Walking up and down a country road.
Picking up the empty beer cans
And he sings this song as he adds to his load.
Throw your beer cans out the window.
Throw your empty beer cans out the door.
Throw your beer cans out the window.
Throw out your empty beer cans for the poor."
| 690 |
summergurl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:44:00pm |
| 691 |
Russkilitlover Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:44:07pm |
re: #677 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
SONOFABITCH!
///
Does it help if the last company I implemented customer oriented process improvements increased quality of finished goods from 67% in 2004 to 97% in 2007; and customer satisfaction stuck on 87% for three years to 96%.
| 692 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:44:13pm |
re: #678 OldLineTexan
I just remembered a meeting a few years back where I used to work, where the manager told us how things were going to be scaled back, etc. Instead of just nodding that they understood, several people cheerfully said they were just lucky to have jobs.
/And yeah we were, but isn't saying that to a boss like rolling over and exposing your belly?
| 693 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:44:34pm |
re: #669 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I dont think the travel times really work with a boat though. I thought they showed the boat in England, then Desmond supposedly went straight to LA and was there a day or 2 later, so its obvious they couldn't have sailed straight there. I think Ben calling from the Marina was a red herring to throw us off.
That's why I say, not enough info right now. But, I will disagree, there is not much red herrings in this show, the producers have promised to not do that.
There are some minor plot threads that have been abandoned. There will be a good reason, with in the mythos of the show, for Ben to have been calling, bloodied, from a marina, it's not a red herring, but it is sneaky on the writers part.
There are 8 writers on this show, they started with 14 principle actors, have maintained at least 10 principle actors throughout the show, they are into their 5th years, and they are skipping around in time now, and not falling back on any of the standard "time travel paradoxes" used in less well written stories.
The writers must have a headache.
| 694 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:44:34pm |
re: #666 Kosh's Shadow
Without coal plants, we are guaranteed to not have electricity.
Coal supplies over half the electricity in the US, and we just don't have enough unicorns yet to replace it.
But Unicorns burn longer and hotter than coal, so what's the problem?
| 695 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:44:48pm |
re: #690 summergurl
With the guy who has eggs.
What do eggs from radish-fed hens taste like?
How about Japanese horseradish? Would they self-cook?
| 696 |
chicagodudewhotrades Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:44:51pm |
re: #640 A Kiwi Infidel
better hit the gym and get that conditioning up, standing in bread lines for hours can be tiring..........
| 697 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:45:07pm |
re: #672 OldLineTexan
Imagine Scrooge has a boss six levels up that INSISTS that the workplace will have a TQM process.
The plumber's rule still applies.
What ever that is?
| 698 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:45:08pm |
re: #683 Boxy_brown
Thank you, I was beginning to think we shot ourselves in the foot.
Silver lining? At least now we can't afford the ammo to shoot ourselves in the foot.
/I'm gonna start selling cordite offsets, who's with me?
| 699 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:45:16pm |
About 15 years ago, I worked for a formerly larger computer company that went through this 6 Sigma stuff.
It made sense for manufacturing, which is where it came from.
But it got applied to everything. Some 6 Sigma consultants made out big.
We had meetings where a quality manager said "If something isn't ready to ship, let me know and I'll stop it". He was gone before we shipped one particular project that should have waited 2 weeks but had to be out by the end of the quarter.
I could go on, but I'll save everyone the trouble.
| 700 |
Boxy_brown Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:45:24pm |
re: #684 Creeping Eruption
We may have just started the first "which is better, M1911 or Glock?" thread in history!
Even in a world gone mad, the 1911 would still have to win hands down.
| 701 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:45:44pm |
I'm lucky enough to be near a lot of you-pick fruit. I believe in child labor, at least if the child is my own, and so we are already doing that.
I can't see bargaining with zucchinis. That would be more of a threat, not an incentive. "Give me some of those strawberries from your garden, or you'll find a basket of zucchini on your doorstep!"
| 702 |
jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:45:47pm |
re: #667 MandyManners
Binary code folks?
01100101 01101110 01110100 01101001 01110100 01101100 01100101 01100100 00100000 01110011 01110000 01100101 01100011 01101001 01100001 01101100 00100000 01110011 01101110 01101111 01110111 01100110 01101100 01100001 01101011 01100101
First row.
Bin... Decimal... Hex
1100101 101 65
1101110 110 6E
1110100 116 74
1101001 105 69
1110100 116 74
1101100 108 6C
1100101 101 65
| 703 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:45:50pm |
The Dow closed down by ~300 points, bottoming at 6762, the lowest level since 1997
(Fade-in to the Oval Office - Obama and his economic advisors)
Obama: "Hey, guys, where's all that wealth I was going to redistribute?"
| 705 |
summergurl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:46:10pm |
re: #695 OldLineTexan
What do eggs from radish-fed hens taste like?
How about Japanese horseradish? Would they self-cook?
Naw, he'd trade my radishes with the guy who has corn so he could feed his hens..//
| 706 |
debutaunt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:46:20pm |
re: #692 Chicago Blonde
I just remembered a meeting a few years back where I used to work, where the manager told us how things were going to be scaled back, etc. Instead of just nodding that they understood, several people cheerfully said they were just lucky to have jobs.
/And yeah we were, but isn't saying that to a boss like rolling over and exposing your belly?
What sort of boss do you have?
| 707 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:46:36pm |
re: #697 Walter L. Newton
What ever that is?
The Plumber's Rule
1. Shit flows downhill.
2. Payday is Friday. *
Explains how your job works, and why you're still there.
*YMMV
| 708 |
Natasha Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:46:49pm |
Plumbers rule?
"Crack kills"?
/sorry... this sad state of affairs is making me insane
| 709 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:08pm |
Speaking of breadlines...
| 710 |
notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:15pm |
re: #700 Boxy_brown
Even in a world gone mad, the 1911 would still have to win hands down.
For shot accuracy yes. For magazine capacity no.
So, If you're an ace shooter, go with the Colt.
If not, go with the polymer.
| 712 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:17pm |
re: #702 jcm
First row.
Bin... Decimal... Hex
1100101 101 65
1101110 110 6E
1110100 116 74
1101001 105 69
1110100 116 74
1101100 108 6C
1100101 101 65
Can we have that in Reverse Polish Notation, please?
| 713 |
summergurl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:19pm |
re: #701 EmmmieG
I'm lucky enough to be near a lot of you-pick fruit. I believe in child labor, at least if the child is my own, and so we are already doing that.
I can't see bargaining with zucchinis. That would be more of a threat, not an incentive. "Give me some of those strawberries from your garden, or you'll find a basket of zucchini on your doorstep!"
One can only bake so much zucchini bread...
| 714 |
Boxy_brown Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:23pm |
re: #698 Slumbering Behemoth
Silver lining? At least now we can't afford the ammo to shoot ourselves in the foot.
You haven't seen my IRA statements. I am going to have to save my brass and reload.
Being able to say "I told you so" is little comfort for having to work until I am carted off in a pine box.
| 715 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:28pm |
re: #701 EmmmieG
I'm lucky enough to be near a lot of you-pick fruit. I believe in child labor, at least if the child is my own, and so we are already doing that.
I can't see bargaining with zucchinis. That would be more of a threat, not an incentive. "Give me some of those strawberries from your garden, or you'll find a basket of zucchini on your doorstep!"
I have been in this thread before ...
;)
| 716 |
DaddyG Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:28pm |
Consultant is a dirty word. And I've been one. The employees generally know what is going on, give them the information and tools and let them get busy fixing the busted system.
| 717 |
Digital Display Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:41pm |
re: #702 jcm
First row.
Bin... Decimal... Hex
1100101 101 65
1101110 110 6E
1110100 116 74
1101001 105 69
1110100 116 74
1101100 108 6C
1100101 101 65
Ok..the first person to compile this into assembly..just don't do it!
| 718 |
screaming_eagle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:44pm |
re: #685 Natasha
Turnips make great projectiles. If smaller caliber is needed, radishes will do splendidly, too!
Potatoe guns are still the best.
| 719 |
FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:45pm |
re: #656 Boxy_brown
Is it still a good thing we didn't elect the RINO...
yes and no.
The angry democrat left were about to burst if they didn't
get their way. If McCain won all hell would have broke loose on the left.
We now have to live with the consequences of an election where the media and the cult of hollywood had so much influence over the choice, that we are left with their decision. A decision based on a man without the proper leadership experience to run a nation properly. Obama is a fantasy - a rhetorically flourished teleprompter reader who gives CNN a collective orgasm.
I'll take the Rino - but the angry left would have lost it. Maybe we have to live with this left-wing mad man in order to get back to principle.
-or - I have no idea.
| 720 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:51pm |
re: #707 OldLineTexan
The Plumber's Rule
1. Shit flows downhill.
2. Payday is Friday. *Explains how your job works, and why you're still there.
*YMMV
Ok, now, what is YMMV? Geeeessshhh. why can't I just understand a whole comment of yours. I feel like we are talking different languages?
| 721 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:58pm |
re: #705 summergurl
Naw, he'd trade my radishes with the guy who has corn so he could feed his hens..//
Man, I wanted some hot eggs.
/
| 722 |
Caton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:47:58pm |
| 723 |
soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:48:01pm |
re: #707 OldLineTexan
The Plumber's Rule
1. Shit flows downhill.
2. Payday is Friday. *Explains how your job works, and why you're still there.
*YMMV
3. Don't bite your nails
| 724 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:48:22pm |
re: #706 debutaunt
What sort of boss do you have?
The wrong sort, which is why I'm there no longer. I can see some bosses being receptive to that but he was NOT and the sheep knew it.
| 725 |
abaleh Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:48:23pm |
re: #618 notutopia
Haven't seen it. Synopsis please.
Roslyn is a very beautiful woman who just got divorced. She meets two friends, Guido and Gay, who take her to Guido's house in the country to relax and forget the difficulties of the past few weeks. Everything is fine at first, but soon the two men fall in love with Roslyn and start showing some bad aspects of their characters. Soon they meet another friend of Gay's, and the four of them go to hunt some wild horses. This is when things just... explode!
| 727 |
pegcity Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:48:33pm |
godamn i picked the best time to get into investments.
My CSC and CPH are useless now.
Well at least i can use my insurance license for something other than toilet paper.
| 728 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:48:39pm |
re: #720 Walter L. Newton
Ok, now, what is YMMV? Geeeessshhh. why can't I just understand a whole comment of yours. I feel like we are talking different languages?
Your
Mileage
May
Vary
/sorry, Walter. If it makes you feel better, LOST makes me somewhat dizzy ;)
| 729 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:48:49pm |
re: #708 Natasha
Plumbers rule?
"Crack kills"?
/sorry... this sad state of affairs is making me insane
You need the Long Tail-T - the solution to plumbers butt.
| 732 |
FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:49:32pm |
re: #707 OldLineTexan
The Plumber's Rule
1. Shit flows downhill.
2. Payday is Friday. *Explains how your job works, and why you're still there.
*YMMV
A flush beats a full house?
| 733 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:49:36pm |
| 734 |
Boxy_brown Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:49:39pm |
re: #710 notutopia
For shot accuracy yes. For magazine capacity no.
So, If you're an ace shooter, go with the Colt.
If not, go with the polymer.
Ill take the stopping power of .45acp versus 9mm but no, not an ace shooter anymore. That's why I got the 12 gauge. :-)
| 735 |
jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:50:19pm |
re: #712 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Can we have that in Reverse Polish Notation, please?
1100101 101 65 ENTER
1101110 110 6E ENTER
1110100 116 74 ENTER
1101001 105 69 ENTER
1110100 116 74 ENTER
1101100 108 6C ENTER
1100101 101 65 ENTER
EXEC
| 736 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:50:25pm |
re: #670 DaddyG
Lean 6 Sigma is not Lean. I'm not surprised you are suffering through that. A real Lean project uses the people who own the process to identify ways to improve it, not a cult of outside consultants with colored belts. (Sorry for the vitriol but I've seen to many people use the words quality and efficiency that couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag if you cut them a door.)
Projects need clear communication and responsibility....middle managers need buzz words so they can avoid saying anything that they might get stuck with.....see the problems here?
I've had to sit through way too many of those kind of meetings too, and you don't need managers and high paid consultants, you need a few dedicated and motivated people who do the job day in and day out.
| 737 |
debutaunt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:50:27pm |
| 738 |
Kragar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:50:32pm |
re: #716 DaddyG
Consultant is a dirty word. And I've been one. The employees generally know what is going on, give them the information and tools and let them get busy fixing the busted system.
So far, our biggest obstacle has been taking time out to work with consultants so they can ask us why we are falling behind in our scheduled work load. That and management/customers who ask for things and then dont want to hear the solutions
| 739 |
wordsworth Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:50:41pm |
The only speculation we should be doing is figuring out the timing for when Warren Buffet, and George Soros will jointly manipulate the market to create Obama's faux rebound he needs for his budget to have any sense of logic.
| 740 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:50:48pm |
re: #710 notutopia
For shot accuracy yes. For magazine capacity no.
So, If you're an ace shooter, go with the Colt.
If not, go with the polymer.
/ better to miss 17 times rather than just 8?
| 741 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:51:21pm |
re: #735 jcm
1100101 101 65 ENTER
1101110 110 6E ENTER
1110100 116 74 ENTER
1101001 105 69 ENTER
1110100 116 74 ENTER
1101100 108 6C ENTER
1100101 101 65 ENTER
EXEC
*smacks forehead*
NOW I understand what you were saying!
| 742 |
Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:51:21pm |
re: #553 Golem Akbar
I think we're saying the same thing. Yes, we are not Russia. It -- Obama's socialism -- won't last long because it is so contrary to American tradition. Just like prohibition (good analogy), it produced an underground/black market economy, and once it ended, that economy emerged into legitimacy. But there was, and still is, a criminal class that was created as a result.
Just got here and am reading the thread. Golem, just to add to your statement a bit. I think the zero is truly trying to convert the American middle class into criminals through income starvation, regulation, and taxation. If he succeeds, then he can then feel "justified" to rendor harsh recrimminations against a vast number of Americans. Enter the zero's home security force.
| 743 |
screaming_eagle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:51:22pm |
| 744 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:51:26pm |
| 745 |
debutaunt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:51:33pm |
re: #724 Chicago Blonde
The wrong sort, which is why I'm there no longer. I can see some bosses being receptive to that but he was NOT and the sheep knew it.
Good for you!
| 746 |
notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:51:46pm |
re: #713 summergurl
One can only bake so much zucchini bread...
This is one of my favs for excess zucchini. Which we always seem to have.
This site also has the jelly version too.
[Link: www.cdkitchen.com...]
| 747 |
Creeping Eruption Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:51:49pm |
| 748 |
DaddyG Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:51:54pm |
re: #711 brookly red
tell me more...
:-) You flatter me. Bottom line is if you are selling Big Macs people want them fast, cheap and out the door with minimal fuss. Don't spend time lining up the beef patties within a statistically measurable tolerance.
My buddy watched Home Depot tear itself apart while the GE gurus took over. They were competative because the retired plumber in Aisle 6 took the time to show you how to use the widget - not because they had an army of quality engineers (who are a good resource in the correct situations).
| 750 |
Ojoe Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:52:30pm |
re: #710 notutopia
Yes, but you had better hold that ACP with both hands.
| 751 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:52:45pm |
re: #714 Boxy_brown
I have found that more often than not, it sucks to be right about some things.
| 752 |
wltzacrsstxs Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:52:55pm |
719 Frogmarch
It would have done my heart good to see the left go insane. For once, they would have gotten off their asses and done something instead of whining and sniveling about how me and my money should do something for them.
And - can't help myself here - they could have provided us with a target-rich environment (or a convenient excuse for doing some house cleaning). In Texas, you just need to remember to drag them back inside the house.
| 753 |
soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:52:55pm |
re: #739 wordsworth
The only speculation we should be doing is figuring out the timing for when Warren Buffet, and George Soros will jointly manipulate the market to create Obama's faux rebound he needs for his budget to have any sense of logic.
He blew all of his credibility supporting the One for President.
| 754 |
jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:52:56pm |
I know women say they can multi task but......
Driving.....
Talking on cell.....
and
| 755 |
Boxy_brown Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:53:04pm |
re: #719 FrogMarch
Is it still a good thing we didn't elect the RINO...yes and no.
The angry democrat left were about to burst if they didn't
get their way. If McCain won all hell would have broke loose on the left.
All the more reason to elect 'ol Mac.
Maybe we have to live with this left-wing mad man in order to get back to principle.
I hope there is something leftover once they are done. This is pretty much a full-on catastrophe.
| 756 |
notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:53:12pm |
re: #734 Boxy_brown
It's kinda hard to conceal that 12 gauge, even down a pants leg!
| 757 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:53:12pm |
re: #653 Occasional Reader
We may have just started the first "which is better, M1911 or Glock?" thread in history!
////
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry...I didn't mean to do it.......lol!
| 758 |
Ruebacca Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:53:21pm |
re: #609 Honorary Yooper
1907 and a couple of others are from panics. 1987 (and 2001 for that matter) could be considered a panic like 1907. However, the rest of those not from 2008 are from the Great Depression, and the number from 2008 approaches those from 1929. Scary trend, IMHO.
4 of the have happened since obama was nominated.
| 759 |
DaddyG Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:53:29pm |
Or in short - be careful giving a consultant a hammer. Suddenly everything looks like a nail.
| 760 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:53:49pm |
re: #745 debutaunt
Thanks. We'll see. Unless it's that rare one who will view it as a loyalty thing and treat you well, I think saying that to a boss is kind of like putting on a "kick me" sign.
| 761 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:53:57pm |
re: #756 notutopia
It's kinda hard to conceal that 12 gauge, even down a pants leg!
and we certainly wouldn't want to encourage anyone doing anything illegal now would we :)
| 762 |
MandyManners Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:53:59pm |
It's supposed to spell out "entititled special snowflake".
| 763 |
soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:54:13pm |
re: #752 wltzacrsstxs
719 Frogmarch
It would have done my heart good to see the left go insane. For once, they would have gotten off their asses and done something instead of whining and sniveling about how me and my money should do something for them.
And - can't help myself here - they could have provided us with a target-rich environment (or a convenient excuse for doing some house cleaning). In Texas, you just need to remember to drag them back inside the house.
I thought in Texas they only had to be on your property uninvited.
| 764 |
brookly red Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:54:13pm |
| 765 |
chicagodudewhotrades Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:54:18pm |
Okay, this is kinda weird. I'm watching Bloomberg Business. The last guest was the Central Bank Governor of Lebanon (who the hell would invest/ do business there?) and now they just did a segment on pawnshops. I'm not kidding........
| 766 |
Boxy_brown Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:54:44pm |
re: #756 notutopia
It's kinda hard to conceal that 12 gauge, even down a pants leg!
Just happy to see you.
| 768 |
FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:54:55pm |
re: #755 Boxy_brown
I hope there is something leftover once they are done. This is pretty much a full-on catastrophe.
you said it. We are all going to be on our knees cleaning Obama's grout with a small tooth brush.
| 769 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:54:57pm |
| 770 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:55:28pm |
re: #754 jcm
Oh yeah, Mr. Blonde found that little gem and is still wiping his brains off the keyboard from when his head exploded. And she may do it again, too!
*sigh*
| 771 |
debutaunt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:55:29pm |
re: #742 Soona'
Just got here and am reading the thread. Golem, just to add to your statement a bit. I think the zero is truly trying to convert the American middle class into criminals through income starvation, regulation, and taxation. If he succeeds, then he can then feel "justified" to rendor harsh recrimminations against a vast number of Americans. Enter the zero's home security force.
Competent people who don't accept unearned guilt are a big problem.
| 772 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:55:32pm |
re: #750 Ojoe
Yes, but you had better hold that ACP with both hands.
Nah...just start with the target on the right and let the recoil twist carry you over to the next one
| 773 |
FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:55:57pm |
re: #739 wordsworth
The only speculation we should be doing is figuring out the timing for when Warren Buffet, and George Soros will jointly manipulate the market to create Obama's faux rebound he needs for his budget to have any sense of logic.
September 18, 2008. I still want some answers.
| 774 |
notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:56:02pm |
re: #750 Ojoe
Yes, but you had better hold that ACP with both hands.
I do, normally! But, I can shoot it fairly accurately with one hand. I'm still having shot placement difficulty shooting with my nondominate hand.
| 775 |
Dirk Diggler Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:56:23pm |
"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself...a corrupt and incompetent administration that seeks to bankrupt our nation."
| 776 |
notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:57:16pm |
| 777 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:57:54pm |
re: #754 jcm
I know women say they can multi task but......
Driving.....
Talking on cell.....
and
That's as good as the guy I saw driving in China while lighting a bong.
| 778 |
screaming_eagle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:57:57pm |
re: #765 chicagodudewhotrades
Okay, this is kinda weird. I'm watching Bloomberg Business. The last guest was the Central Bank Governor of Lebanon (who the hell would invest/ do business there?) and now they just did a segment on pawnshops. I'm not kidding........
When the Central Bank of Lebanon is a safe investment and you need to goto the pawnshop for money, things are bad. That could only happen if we elected a socialist president. Why do I have a shiver running up my leg?
| 780 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:59:31pm |
re: #763 soxfan4life
I thought in Texas they only had to be on your property uninvited.
No. And any homeowner shooting gets a LOT of attention.
Not good.
| 781 |
USBeast Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:59:35pm |
re: #777 OldLineTexan
That's as good as the guy I saw driving in China while lighting a bong.
You were lighting a bong in China?
/
| 782 |
FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:59:47pm |
re: #752 wltzacrsstxs
719 Frogmarch
It would have done my heart good to see the left go insane. For once, they would have gotten off their asses and done something instead of whining and sniveling about how me and my money should do something for them.
And - can't help myself here - they could have provided us with a target-rich environment (or a convenient excuse for doing some house cleaning). In Texas, you just need to remember to drag them back inside the house.
I have to say, after 8 years of fever-pitched hatred and insanity - I'm not sure I agree. Please don't get me wrong - I don't want to placate the F-ing left. and Obama is a bigger disaster than I ever thought possible, But sometimes politics is like a pendulum - and you just have to let it swing.
| 783 |
jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 2:59:54pm |
re: #777 OldLineTexan
That's as good as the guy I saw driving in China while lighting a bong.
My favorite was I-5 southbound between Seattle and Tacoma during rush hour... sheet music draped over the steering wheel..... playing a trumpet.
| 784 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:00:17pm |
re: #773 FrogMarch
September 18, 2008. I still want some answers.
Thank you for that link. I've been giving friends links on Cloward-Piven like Pez candy too.
| 785 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:00:22pm |
re: #754 jcm
My mother breastfed while driving....28 years ago. It wasn't that big of a deal back then. Then about twenty years ago, I met a family that had had a toddler go through a windshield...and live. The girl was in a wheelchair for life, the parents would be taking care of her forever, and financially crippled.
I have put in hours listening to a baby scream while I either tried to get home, or if it wasn't close enough, tried to get to where I could pull over. (To clarify: I didn't listen to a baby scream with hunger for hours, the cumulative time is in hours.)
| 786 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:00:25pm |
re: #781 USBeast
You were lighting a bong in China?
/
Yeah, I probably should after that sentence.
Where's goddessoftheclassroom?
| 787 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:02:02pm |
re: #785 EmmmieG
My mother breastfed while driving....28 years ago. It wasn't that big of a deal back then. Then about twenty years ago, I met a family that had had a toddler go through a windshield...and live. The girl was in a wheelchair for life, the parents would be taking care of her forever, and financially crippled.
I have put in hours listening to a baby scream while I either tried to get home, or if it wasn't close enough, tried to get to where I could pull over. (To clarify: I didn't listen to a baby scream with hunger for hours, the cumulative time is in hours.)
28 years ago, you could strike a tree without wearing seat belts, and walk away from the wreckage. Good times.
| 789 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:02:13pm |
re: #783 jcm
My favorite was I-5 southbound between Seattle and Tacoma during rush hour... sheet music draped over the steering wheel..... playing a trumpet.
I saw a guy in a BMW reading a magazine on his steering wheel.
And I once saw a woman miss her exit on the freeway...STOP in the right
lane...BACK UP...and then exit.
Ever tried to drive a Civic on a guard rail? Getting two wheels up is easy; the hard part is staying on!
/
| 790 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:02:38pm |
re: #784 Chicago Blonde
Thank you for that link. I've been giving friends links on Cloward-Piven like Pez candy too.
Out of a hole in your neck?
/
| 791 |
soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:02:52pm |
re: #780 OldLineTexan
No. And any homeowner shooting gets a LOT of attention.
Not good.
Guess you're really happy with Rick Perry aren't you? I know in Bexar county they get all pissy about illegals being shot by ranch owners. But that is because of the Mexican sentiment from San Antonio.
| 792 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:03:22pm |
re: #789 OldLineTexan
I saw a guy in a BMW reading a magazine on his steering wheel.
And I once saw a woman miss her exit on the freeway...STOP in the right
lane...BACK UP...and then exit.Ever tried to drive a Civic on a guard rail? Getting two wheels up is easy; the hard part is staying on!
/
I've seen that - the back up. It's always funny . . . after you pass the offending vehicle, that is.
| 793 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:03:26pm |
| 794 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:03:50pm |
re: #791 soxfan4life
Guess you're really happy with Rick Perry aren't you? I know in Bexar county they get all pissy about illegals being shot by ranch owners. But that is because of the Mexican sentiment from San Antonio.
Gov. Goodhair gets/earns his share of abuse.
| 795 |
deWildcats Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:03:53pm |
re: #39 vagabond trader
Yes, everyone in America must be made a victim so big gov can become our loving nanny.
I honestly think it's modern slavery
| 796 |
jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:04:39pm |
re: #789 OldLineTexan
I saw a guy in a BMW reading a magazine on his steering wheel.
And I once saw a woman miss her exit on the freeway...STOP in the right
lane...BACK UP...and then exit.Ever tried to drive a Civic on a guard rail? Getting two wheels up is easy; the hard part is staying on!
/
Yikes!
| 797 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:04:43pm |
Gotta leave for now; sick toddler just woke up.
| 798 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:04:43pm |
re: #789 OldLineTexan
I saw a guy in a BMW reading a magazine on his steering wheel.
And I once saw a woman miss her exit on the freeway...STOP in the right
lane...BACK UP...and then exit.Ever tried to drive a Civic on a guard rail? Getting two wheels up is easy; the hard part is staying on!
/
I was watching a woman in a mini-van folding children's clothing while driving. She had the laundry basket on the empty passenger seat. I just say this a couple of months ago.
| 799 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:04:47pm |
All right, I've done my work, and deposited a truly excruciatingly bad pile of proposals on my boss' desk.
What are we bemoaning and bewailing now?
| 800 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:04:55pm |
| 803 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:05:33pm |
re: #798 Walter L. Newton
I was watching a woman in a mini-van folding children's clothing while driving. She had the laundry basket on the empty passenger seat. I just say this a couple of months ago.
Now, ironing the clothes would be impressive!
| 804 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:05:40pm |
re: #799 Dianna
All right, I've done my work, and deposited a truly excruciatingly bad pile of proposals on my boss' desk.
What are we bemoaning and bewailing now?
Bad drives, 6 sigma, the economy, and PEZ!
| 805 |
brookly red Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:05:58pm |
| 807 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:06:01pm |
| 808 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:06:10pm |
| 809 |
jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:06:26pm |
re: #792 Captain Amercia
I've seen that - the back up. It's always funny . . . after you pass the offending vehicle, that is.
I'd rather have them back up than cut a u-turn from the left shoulder to right shoulder..........
I still don't know how they didn't get hit.
| 810 |
notutopia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:06:58pm |
Well, let me go check after the chickens and see if they'll go up early. I'll need to hunt in the snow for frozen eggs!
They all gave me the weirdest look this morning coming out of that coop hatch door, like...what the hell is this white stuff ?
BBL.
| 811 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:07:04pm |
re: #809 jcm
I'd rather have them back up than cut a u-turn from the left shoulder to right shoulder..........
I still don't know how they didn't get hit.
Divine providence . . . and dumb luck.
| 813 |
Digital Display Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:07:17pm |
re: #799 Dianna
All right, I've done my work, and deposited a truly excruciatingly bad pile of proposals on my boss' desk.
What are we bemoaning and bewailing now?
We ponder if life is but a Delbert Cartoon..Thus we contemplate life at work..
*Wink*
| 814 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:07:24pm |
re: #807 Dianna
I can definitely chime in!
How about idiot parkers?
I think this thread is about how well the stock market did today to help China eventually own the US.
| 815 |
ciaospirit Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:07:42pm |
Another fine upstanding Democrat being added to BHO's administration. Seems like the only people "right" for BHO are cheaters and liars.
WASHINGTON – Ron Kirk, nominated as U.S. Trade Representative in the Obama administration, owes an estimated $10,000 in back taxes from earlier in the decade and has agreed to make his payments, the Senate Finance Committee said Monday.
...
White House spokesman Ben LaBolt said Kirk was working to clear up "a few minor issues" uncovered by the committee and expressed confidence he would be confirmed.Despite the error, Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, issued a statement calling Kirk "the right person for this job," and said he would attempt to have the nomination moved through the panel quickly.
| 816 |
FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:07:49pm |
re: #784 Chicago Blonde
Thank you for that link. I've been giving friends links on Cloward-Piven like Pez candy too.
You are most welcome.
| 817 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:08:11pm |
re: #814 Walter L. Newton
I think this thread is about how well the stock market did today to help China eventually own the US.
Every time Obama goes on television, a stockbroker jumps out a window.
| 818 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:08:30pm |
re: #809 jcm
I'd rather have them back up than cut a u-turn from the left shoulder to right shoulder..........
I still don't know how they didn't get hit.
ON A FREEWAY?
Mind you, I live near Houston, where everyone on the freeway believes it is his God-given right to go anywhere between 45mph and Mach 2.3 ... and all you idjits had best get out of his way.
A person doing a "Huey" on a freeway would be like waving red flags in front of bulls ...
| 819 |
screaming_eagle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:08:47pm |
re: #799 Dianna
What are we bemoaning and bewailing now?
Just throw shit at the Goverment. It's bound to stick.
| 820 |
Dustyvet Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:08:54pm |
| 821 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:09:03pm |
re: #815 ciaospirit
Another fine upstanding Democrat being added to BHO's administration. Seems like the only people "right" for BHO are cheaters and liars.
$10,000 in back taxes is a minor issue like Rosie O'Donnell is a tad overweight.
| 822 |
opnion Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:09:04pm |
re: #814 Walter L. Newton
I think this thread is about how well the stock market did today to help China eventually own the US.
Yeah, jokes on them, wait until they try to find their own buyer.
| 823 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:09:23pm |
re: #817 Captain Amercia
Every time Obama goes on television, a stockbroker jumps out a window.
The original movie was so much less dark than this remake ...
/
| 824 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:09:48pm |
re: #804 OldLineTexan
Bad drives, 6 sigma, the economy, and PEZ!
and don't forget the eternal Glock debate! Luckily it hasn't exploded into 9mm vs 45 yet.....bwahahaha
| 825 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:09:57pm |
re: #807 Dianna
I can definitely chime in!
How about idiot parkers?
1 car + 2 parking spaces = MATH FAIL
| 826 |
soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:10:03pm |
re: #815 ciaospirit
Another fine upstanding Democrat being added to BHO's administration. Seems like the only people "right" for BHO are cheaters and liars.
Why is it that every Democrat tax cheat is the right person for the job.
| 827 |
FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:10:04pm |
re: #817 Captain Amercia
Every time Obama goes on television, a stockbroker jumps out a window.
but at least the CNN peeps are having a good time.
| 828 |
jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:10:06pm |
re: #814 Walter L. Newton
I think this thread is about how well the stock market did today to help China eventually own the US.
Obama stinks at driving, and he's gonna' park us all in the poor house.
| 829 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:10:27pm |
re: #814 Walter L. Newton
I think this thread is about how well the stock market did today to help China eventually own the US.
Ah, yes.
I don't particularly feel like screaming, "Waily! Waily! We're dooooomed!" this afternoon.
Maybe tomorrow?
| 830 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:10:31pm |
re: #823 OldLineTexan
The original movie was so much less dark than this remake ...
/
It was a comedy by comparison.
| 831 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:10:33pm |
re: #818 OldLineTexan
ON A FREEWAY?
Mind you, I live near Houston, where everyone on the freeway believes it is his God-given right to go anywhere between 45mph and Mach 2.3 ... and all you idjits had best get out of his way.
A person doing a "Huey" on a freeway would be like waving red flags in front of bulls ...
I lived in Houston, I've live in Dallas. I've lived all over the south and south west and west. Folks out here would never make it one month in NYC. You pull any of that shit on the highway and don't know what you are doing, YOU WILL DIE.
| 832 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:11:01pm |
re: #827 FrogMarch
but at least the CNN peeps are having a good time.
They are the band playing as the Titanic goes down.
| 833 |
jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:11:02pm |
re: #824 Fighton03
and don't forget the eternal Glock debate! Luckily it hasn't exploded into 9mm vs 45 yet.....bwahahaha
9mm vs. .45 vs. .40.....
Don't leave out .40!
;-)
| 834 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:11:33pm |
re: #831 Walter L. Newton
I lived in Houston, I've live in Dallas. I've lived all over the south and south west and west. Folks out here would never make it one month in NYC. You pull any of that shit on the highway and don't know what you are doing, YOU WILL DIE.
Oh, I agree. Your average "open spaces" driver has NO CLUE about da big city. I would not turn a key in New Yawk. TAXI!
| 835 |
unreconstructed rebel Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:11:46pm |
Some people never get the word. Heh
| 836 |
albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:11:52pm |
when almost 50% of the population (probably more) do not favor federal policy, the president is bound by honor to compromise...in all of the legislature only 3 repubs voted for this bill...clearly it is being crammed down our throats on the back of legalality...this president has no sense of service or duty or honor...it is a power grab of unpresidented proportion....I stand on principle regardless...I do not worship the law...it is wrong to steal from the people
| 837 |
soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:11:56pm |
re: #831 Walter L. Newton
I lived in Houston, I've live in Dallas. I've lived all over the south and south west and west. Folks out here would never make it one month in NYC. You pull any of that shit on the highway and don't know what you are doing, YOU WILL DIE.
My thoughts on Houston traffic were put in a traffic circle and charge admission.
| 838 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:11:57pm |
re: #833 jcm
9mm vs. .45 vs. .40.....
Don't leave out .40!
;-)
/sigh
FORTY SHORT & WIMPY!
/OK, all done
| 839 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:11:58pm |
Seventy one degrees in Denver right now.
| 840 |
FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:12:03pm |
re: #807 Dianna
I can definitely chime in!
How about idiot parkers?
oh! the worst. and idiot backer-outers who don't look first.
| 841 |
screaming_eagle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:12:03pm |
| 843 |
jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:12:30pm |
re: #818 OldLineTexan
ON A FREEWAY?
Mind you, I live near Houston, where everyone on the freeway believes it is his God-given right to go anywhere between 45mph and Mach 2.3 ... and all you idjits had best get out of his way.
A person doing a "Huey" on a freeway would be like waving red flags in front of bulls ...
Cars scattering every which way.... in a movie it would have been funny...
| 844 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:12:31pm |
re: #835 unreconstructed rebel
Some people never get the word. Heh
We got about six inches of global warming in Philly today. Thank you, Al Gore.
| 845 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:12:33pm |
| 846 |
Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:12:57pm |
| 847 |
Digital Display Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:13:02pm |
re: #833 jcm
9mm vs. .45 vs. .40.....
Don't leave out .40!
;-)
You hijacked the thread! so what is the difference between a 9mm and a 45?
| 848 |
Muadib Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:13:05pm |
re: #762 MandyManners
It's supposed to spell out "entititled special snowflake".
And it does. What's it mean?
| 849 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:13:06pm |
re: #829 Dianna
Ah, yes.
I don't particularly feel like screaming, "Waily! Waily! We're dooooomed!" this afternoon.
Maybe tomorrow?
some things become so glaringly obvious that you just have to shake your head and move on huh?
| 850 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:13:06pm |
re: #838 OldLineTexan
/sigh
FORTY SHORT & WIMPY!
/OK, all done
I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a .40 caliber today!
| 852 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:13:46pm |
re: #825 Chicago Blonde
1 car + 2 parking spaces = MATH FAIL
There was one minivan, in a particularly obnoxious shade of acid green, that simply could not park. One van in two spaces was a good day.
One morning, I watched her park (yes, it was a woman). It took her three tries to pull into a slanted parking space and only be at an angle that took up two.
Her first two efforts convinced me that she was trying to parallel park.
| 853 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:13:53pm |
re: #837 soxfan4life
My thoughts on Houston traffic were put in a traffic circle and charge admission.
We already have Loop 610 and Beltway 8. Next up, the "Grand Parkway". Except Gov. Goodhair sez we no kan haz free roadZ.
| 855 |
Eowyn2 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:14:29pm |
re: #18 DisturbedEma
Doesn't wall street know you have to lose money to make money in the new world disorder?
And water is dry and the desert is cold too. . .
It rained all night the day I left
the weather it was dry
the sun so hot
I nearly froze to death
Suzannah dont you cry
| 856 |
opnion Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:14:43pm |
re: #834 OldLineTexan
Oh, I agree. Your average "open spaces" driver has NO CLUE about da big city. I would not turn a key in New Yawk. TAXI!
I knew that New York was a whole different place when I got in a cab at LaGuardia. Sitting down activated the voice of Judge Judy giving tips on how to avoid being mugged in NYC.
| 857 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:14:46pm |
re: #850 Captain Amercia
I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a .40 caliber today!
I have a 9mm and a .45. Equal opportunity, and it averages out.
| 858 |
unreconstructed rebel Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:14:49pm |
re: #844 Captain Amercia
We got about six inches of global warming in Philly today. Thank you, Al Gore.
Only about 3 here in Fauquier County, but it's damn cold for March 2. Only got up to 27 all day - in the sunshine.
| 859 |
LGoPs Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:14:54pm |
Obama did say the he was going to Fundamentally Change America.
I didn't vote for him but I had a special advantage, being an unsophisticated rube. I actually fucking listened to him.
| 860 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:15:07pm |
re: #856 opnion
I knew that New York was a whole different place when I got in a cab at LaGuardia. Sitting down activated the voice of Judge Judy giving tips on how to avoid being mugged in NYC.
And then . . . your ears started to bleed.
| 861 |
FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:15:07pm |
| 862 |
USBeast Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:15:34pm |
re: #807 Dianna
I can definitely chime in!
How about idiot parkers?
How about arrogant parkers; the congenital a**holes who take up two spaces just so their idiotic Cadillac truck won't have to hobnob with lesser vehicles. It is only my reluctance to having my daughter's father thrown into jail that has kept me from keying them from stem to stern.
| 863 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:15:43pm |
re: #854 Iron Fist
You don't really have to decide if you want magazine capacity or .45 punch. Some people make double-stack 1911s. And Glock 21 is .45 (13 round mag, IIRC).
You can have your cake and eat it too :-)
(I'm barely here. The Girlfriend and I are going for dinner :-)
I have big hands, and I could not hold a Glock 21 well.
| 864 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:15:54pm |
re: #847 HoosierHoops
You hijacked the thread! so what is the difference between a 9mm and a 45?
a 45 is what a 9mm wants to be when it grows up....
| 865 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:15:55pm |
re: #834 OldLineTexan
Oh, I agree. Your average "open spaces" driver has NO CLUE about da big city. I would not turn a key in New Yawk. TAXI!
I think you are one of the few people from this area of the country who has ever admitted that. And that's the best description I have ever heard "open spaces driver."
And really, I'm not trying to be smart-assed about it, but it pains me to see some of the stunts they pull around here, and how they wind up hurting each other.
It's like evolution on the east coast. That kind of driving gets culled out of the gene pool real fast.
| 866 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:15:55pm |
re: #858 unreconstructed rebel
Only about 3 here in Fauquier County, but it's damn cold for March 2. Only got up to 27 all day - in the sunshine.
We're expecting single digits here tomorrow. At least it'll be good sledding weather for the kiddies.
| 867 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:16:01pm |
re: #852 Dianna
And she parked towards the front, right? Where her skills would spread the most joy?
| 868 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:17:10pm |
re: #840 FrogMarch
oh! the worst. and idiot backer-outers who don't look first.
Nah - my Jeep died a horrible, hideous and suffering death in a parking lot. Some idiot evidently forgot where his brake was, and ran headlong into my poor little Wrangler, pushing her back about three feet.
Unfortunately, I'd left her in first gear.
The only visible damage was some chipped paint on her heavy-duty push bars. But her transmission - and for some reason her oil pan - was toast.
| 869 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:17:14pm |
Blago's going to write a book?
How's his health?
| 870 |
unreconstructed rebel Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:17:21pm |
re: #866 Captain Amercia
We're expecting single digits here tomorrow. At least it'll be good sledding weather for the kiddies.
This morning's snow was one of those that squeaks.
| 872 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:17:34pm |
re: #869 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Blago's going to write a book?
How's his health?
His hair is writing a mini-series.
| 873 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:17:39pm |
re: #862 USBeast
How about arrogant parkers; the congenital a**holes who take up two spaces just so their idiotic Cadillac truck won't have to hobnob with lesser vehicles. It is only my reluctance to having my daughter's father thrown into jail that has kept me from keying them from stem to stern.
Don't give in.
I have a pad of Post-Its sticky notes and a squirt bottle of water in my minivan.
The sticky notes are imprinted as follows:
IF YOU'LL QUIT PARKING IN TWO SPOTS, I'LL QUIT PISSING ON YOUR DOOR HANDLES
| 874 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:17:58pm |
re: #861 FrogMarch
ugh. Where's the snow?
Well, three years ago we we getting that weekly blizzard, 6 times in a row.
Yes, I want more snow down here. It's too early for spring.
| 875 |
FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:18:00pm |
re: #815 ciaospirit
Another fine upstanding Democrat being added to BHO's administration. Seems like the only people "right" for BHO are cheaters and liars.
Another one! I beginning to think all Democrats in power should be audited. lying elitist cheats...
(instead rush Limbaugh is audited)
| 876 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:18:05pm |
re: #859 LGoPs
Hello, fellow rube, how are you tonight?
| 877 |
unreconstructed rebel Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:18:16pm |
re: #869 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Blago's going to write a book?
How's his health?
I cannot feature any publisher wanting to risk an advance on him.
| 878 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:18:21pm |
re: #865 Walter L. Newton
I think you are one of the few people from this area of the country who has ever admitted that. And that's the best description I have ever heard "open spaces driver."
And really, I'm not trying to be smart-assed about it, but it pains me to see some of the stunts they pull around here, and how they wind up hurting each other.
It's like evolution on the east coast. That kind of driving gets culled out of the gene pool real fast.
I have seen traffic in Taipei and Hong Kong.
I harbor no death wishes.
| 879 |
sevoguy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:18:30pm |
AND THE OBAMANATION continues. Yet the chosen one still continues to give our tax money away to failed states such as Pakistan and Gaza, Egypt and Mexico.
The harder the economies of the world are hit, the more our enemies suffer. The lower oil goes then the worse it is for leaders like Chevez.
I'm still continuing to put money into my 401k. Dollar cost averaging can do wonders for a portfolio. Don't dispair about the economy. We who are productive in America will be ok in 5 or 6 years. Hyperinflation will defeat Obama in the next election just like it defeated Jimmy Carter when he ran for a second term. Only this time we will be voting a president out of office who will nearly destroy the country; and much worse that Good Ole Boy Jimmy did.
Socialist Pig's they be.
| 880 |
opnion Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:18:51pm |
re: #860 Captain Amercia
And then . . . your ears started to bleed.
Pretty much. I am not so sure that NYC has more crime per capita than other big cities. I hate to say it but our gun crime in Chicago is off of the charts.
| 881 |
Eowyn2 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:18:57pm |
re: #754 jcm
I know women say they can multi task but......
Driving.....
Talking on cell.....
and
how many hands does she have?
| 882 |
USBeast Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:18:59pm |
re: #869 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Blago's going to write a book?
How's his health?
Physical or mental?
| 883 |
soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:19:12pm |
re: #875 FrogMarch
Another one! I beginning to think all Democrats in power should be audited. lying elitist cheats...
(instead rush Limbaugh is audited)
They're just not patriotic.
| 884 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:19:37pm |
re: #880 opnion
Pretty much. I am not so sure that NYC has more crime per capita than other big cities. I hate to say it but our gun crime in Chicago is off of the charts.
In Philadelphia, we get a cop killed every other damned month!
| 885 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:19:46pm |
re: #815 ciaospirit
Read about that earlier....seems that it was actually potentially an oversight. Not as overt as the other things I have seen.
I'm sure I have forgotten an honorarium or two.
| 887 |
soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:19:58pm |
re: #878 OldLineTexan
I have seen traffic in Taipei and Hong Kong.
I harbor no death wishes.
Seoul traffic scared me to death.
| 888 |
jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:20:21pm |
re: #847 HoosierHoops
You hijacked the thread! so what is the difference between a 9mm and a 45?
9mm (147.1 gr) JHP -- 1,000 ft/s -- 326 ft·lbf
.45 (165 gr ) JHP -- 1,060 ft/s -- 412 ft·lbf
.40 (155 gr) JHP -- 1,175 ft/s -- 475 ft·lbf
Typical, varies by load and grains and bullet type.
.40 handles like a 9mm but delivers like a .45.
.40 is my preference.
A lot of it is personal preference. What counts in the end is lead on target. Chose a primary defensive firearm based on what works for you, what you can shoot well and consistently.
| 889 |
MandyManners Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:20:24pm |
I useta' paint my finger nails on the way to school (11 miles) when I was a teen. It was a curvy, two-lane road with a speed limit of 55 m.p.h..
| 890 |
Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:20:34pm |
re: #878 OldLineTexan
I have seen traffic in Taipei and Hong Kong.
I harbor no death wishes.
Or Bangkok, Thailand
| 891 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:20:46pm |
re: #867 Chicago Blonde
And she parked towards the front, right? Where her skills would spread the most joy?
No, actually - she seemed properly ashamed of her lack of skills, and generally parked toward the back of the lot.
| 893 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:21:07pm |
| 894 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:21:53pm |
| 895 |
LGoPs Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:22:09pm |
re: #876 Chicago Blonde
Hello, fellow rube, how are you tonight?
Hi. I'm depressed and exasperated at my fellow citizens. I can accept the fact that it was time for a Democrat to be elected after the last 8 years of treasonous one-sided Bush bashing. But I cannot accept that we had to elect the most radical, left wing member of the entire United States Congress.
That I can't accept.
But, other than that, I'm cool.......how 'bout you.
:)
| 896 |
soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:22:14pm |
re: #892 USBeast
Ever drive in Dallas?
Dallas was a piece of cake. I cut my teeth in Boston traffic.
| 897 |
Special Forces Grunt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:22:16pm |
re: #412 Maximu§
Hey, I thought all you 11B's were Dumb-asses...you sound pretty intelligent to this old Cav Scout.
I was an 11F4S (SF Intelligence Sergeant) back in Vietnam when the army commissioned me as a 2LT, and later they sent me to college. But, I'm still a grunt at heart. It's good to meet a fellow combat arms soldier.
| 898 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:22:20pm |
| 899 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:22:20pm |
re: #889 MandyManners
I useta' paint my finger nails on the way to school (11 miles) when I was a teen.
And there's the difference between you and the Ohio woman...
| 900 |
sphincter Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:22:40pm |
well,....the market is down again. Let me see,...I'm down about $459,000 since last summer. My butt hurts and my wallet is getting empty.
| 901 |
FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:22:50pm |
re: #874 Walter L. Newton
Well, three years ago we we getting that weekly blizzard, 6 times in a row.
Yes, I want more snow down here. It's too early for spring.
I remember that. Loved all the moisture, hated the side streets. One shady spot in our neighborhood never melted and became a 3 foot edge of ice. Someone had to bring in a backhoe to break it up. It was like driving off a cliff.
| 902 |
albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:23:06pm |
re: #887 soxfan4life
Seoul traffic scared me to death.
no city ever compared to the suicidal habits of Jamaicans....truly a life and death adventure driving down there
| 903 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:23:07pm |
re: #900 sphincter
well,....the market is down again. Let me see,...I'm down about $459,000 since last summer. My butt hurts and my wallet is getting empty.
And didn't even get a reach-around.
| 904 |
FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:23:29pm |
re: #881 Eowyn2
how many hands does she have?
Two hands - and two knees. When driving - don't forget the knees.
;-)
| 906 |
nyc redneck Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:23:50pm |
re: #834 OldLineTexan
Oh, I agree. Your average "open spaces" driver has NO CLUE about da big city. I would not turn a key in New Yawk. TAXI!
driving in the city isn't so hard.
you just go.
really, you just get behind the wheel and go w/ the flow.
you'd do fine. but you do have to pay attention tho.
(don't be going down the road, reading the nyt , not that you would.)
| 907 |
Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:23:53pm |
re: #893 Captain Amercia
Heh, heh, "Bangkok."
Yeah, Bangkok. Where it may take you a little longer to get there but once you do.............!
| 908 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:23:56pm |
re: #895 LGoPs
Huh, maybe you ARE family. :)
The same. This website does help - otherwise I'd feel more like I was the only one who felt this way.
| 910 |
Muadib Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:24:01pm |
re: #889 MandyManners
I useta' paint my finger nails on the way to school (11 miles) when I was a teen. It was a curvy, two-lane road with a speed limit of 55 m.p.h..
How's your front bumper doing?
| 911 |
Digital Display Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:24:30pm |
re: #888 jcm
9mm (147.1 gr) JHP -- 1,000 ft/s -- 326 ft·lbf
.45 (165 gr ) JHP -- 1,060 ft/s -- 412 ft·lbf
.40 (155 gr) JHP -- 1,175 ft/s -- 475 ft·lbfTypical, varies by load and grains and bullet type.
.40 handles like a 9mm but delivers like a .45.
.40 is my preference.A lot of it is personal preference. What counts in the end is lead on target. Chose a primary defensive firearm based on what works for you, what you can shoot well and consistently.
I bought a PPK years ago..never been fired..Lizards make fun of me all the time..:)
| 912 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:24:38pm |
| 913 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:24:41pm |
re: #879 sevoguy
AND THE OBAMANATION continues. Yet the chosen one still continues to give our tax money away to failed states such as Pakistan and Gaza, Egypt and Mexico.
The harder the economies of the world are hit, the more our enemies suffer. The lower oil goes then the worse it is for leaders like Chevez.
I'm still continuing to put money into my 401k. Dollar cost averaging can do wonders for a portfolio. Don't dispair about the economy. We who are productive in America will be ok in 5 or 6 years. Hyperinflation will defeat Obama in the next election just like it defeated Jimmy Carter when he ran for a second term. Only this time we will be voting a president out of office who will nearly destroy the country; and much worse that Good Ole Boy Jimmy did.
Socialist Pig's they be.
You are forgetting that Carter was just a bad president. This guy is a really GOOD socialist, and he is setting up so many "hooks" that will keep us headed in that direction for years to come.
Oboma is laying a foundation for a number of future programs and people, those who have already planned the next assault.
This is not the work of a idealistic kindly-hearted addled old man. This is an actual scripted revolution.
You can bank on what I am saying.
| 914 |
MandyManners Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:24:44pm |
| 916 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:25:30pm |
re: #898 Captain Amercia
It's running for POTUS on 2012.
As a donkeycrat I'm sure:) It'll have more substance and body than our current empty suit.
| 917 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:25:32pm |
re: #891 Dianna
No, actually - she seemed properly ashamed of her lack of skills, and generally parked toward the back of the lot.
WOW. That's unusual, they usually splay their vehicles in 2 spaces towards the front door.
| 918 |
sphincter Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:25:38pm |
re: #912 Captain Amercia
Army, 1978 to 1986. What branch were you in?
| 919 |
USBeast Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:25:38pm |
re: #896 soxfan4life
Dallas was a piece of cake. I cut my teeth in Boston traffic.
Hat's off to you. The last time I had to deal with Dallas traffic I had a chance to talk with a retired Dallas EMT. I asked him if a death wish was required to drive there. He said yes.
| 920 |
Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:25:38pm |
re: #888 jcm
9mm (147.1 gr) JHP -- 1,000 ft/s -- 326 ft·lbf
.45 (165 gr ) JHP -- 1,060 ft/s -- 412 ft·lbf
.40 (155 gr) JHP -- 1,175 ft/s -- 475 ft·lbfTypical, varies by load and grains and bullet type.
.40 handles like a 9mm but delivers like a .45.
.40 is my preference.A lot of it is personal preference. What counts in the end is lead on target. Chose a primary defensive firearm based on what works for you, what you can shoot well and consistently.
Caliber : 10mm
Bullet : Speer Gold Dot JHP
Ballistics : 155gr. @ 1475fps / 750ft/lbs- Glock 20 (15 rd std mag capacity)
| 921 |
opnion Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:26:00pm |
An older man goes upstairs to bed.
His wife says, 'You left the light on in the shed"
He replies, "I haven't been in the shed." He looks out & sees two men robbing his tools etc.
He calls the police & is informrd by the dispatcher, "Just lock your doors. We are swamped & will get to you when we can."
Five minutes later the man calls back, "Take your time, I just shot the intruders."
In three minutes there is a SWAT team in his yard & a helocopter overhead & the perps are busted.
The Sgt says to the man, 'I thought that you said that you shot them"
He replies, "I thought that you said you were busy."
| 922 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:26:15pm |
re: #919 USBeast
I had the opportunity to mention JL earlier. Thought of you.
| 923 |
MandyManners Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:26:42pm |
Never mind.
The mother says she didn't do anything wrong and may do it again.
"I don't want anything to happen to any of my children, that's why I tell them to get in the seat belt, but this particular morning that child wanted to eat, and I did feed my child," said Genine Compton.
I hope CPS crawls up her butt for a while.
| 924 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:26:43pm |
re: #918 sphincter
Army, 1978 to 1986. What branch were you in?
Army, tanker. Spent a lot of time in Germany back in the late 80's, early 90's. End of the Cold War.
| 925 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:26:51pm |
re: #914 MandyManners
JCM's #754 - woman cell phoning and nursing tot while driving.
| 926 |
Dianna Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:27:02pm |
I think I shall go home and write.
Take care, lizards.
| 927 |
bulwrk Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:27:04pm |
| 929 |
albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:27:33pm |
re: #919 USBeast
Hat's off to you. The last time I had to deal with Dallas traffic I had a chance to talk with a retired Dallas EMT. I asked him if a death wish was required to drive there. He said yes.
I don't find Dallas particularly tough to drive in....what's the big deal?....it ain't DC...
| 930 |
opnion Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:27:40pm |
re: #884 Captain Amercia
In Philadelphia, we get a cop killed every other damned month!
In Phoenix , the cops are outgunned by the Mexican narco gangs.
| 931 |
MandyManners Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:27:49pm |
re: #923 MandyManners
Never mind.
I hope CPS crawls up her butt for a while.
We have spotted another Spayshul Snowfwake. LEARN TO PUMP, IDIOT.
| 932 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:27:57pm |
re: #911 HoosierHoops
I bought a PPK years ago..never been fired..Lizards make fun of me all the time..:)
The only bad thing I see is it's never been fired! Get some trigger time in man.
| 933 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:27:58pm |
re: #923 MandyManners
Never mind.
I hope CPS crawls up her butt for a while.
No, they need to take away her license. If they take her kids, we have to pay for it. If she has to take the bus with her kids, it may sink in.
| 934 |
sphincter Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:28:21pm |
re: #924 Captain Amercia
I recognized my native language. Thank you for your service! Eating dust in Graf or the Wild Chicken is not for the faint of heart.
| 935 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:28:26pm |
re: #930 opnion
Could the National Guard just go in a sweep it?
| 936 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:28:37pm |
re: #930 opnion
In Phoenix , the cops are outgunned by the Mexican narco gangs.
Bad situation getting worse out there.
| 937 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:29:08pm |
Could SOMEONE tell me who the hell writes things like this...
So-called red water spews from Alamosa taps
ALAMOSA, Colo.—Chemicals now used to treat Alamosa's water are being blamed for reddish water spewing from faucets, mainly in the older parts of town.
Alamosa city officials said chemicals added to the water are reacting with cast iron pipes, some as old as 100 years. The reaction releases reddish iron and manganese....
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]
SO CALLED? If it's red colored then it's red.
| 939 |
MandyManners Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:30:04pm |
re: #933 EmmmieG
No, they need to take away her license. If they take her kids, we have to pay for it. If she has to take the bus with her kids, it may sink in.
Good point and I'd do that. However, what else does this idiot do that endangers her kids? I could be wrong but, this might be just one example of her hideous choices.
| 940 |
USBeast Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:30:05pm |
re: #922 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I had the opportunity to mention JL earlier. Thought of you.
"Thanks for noticin' me."
| 941 |
soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:30:29pm |
re: #911 HoosierHoops
I bought a PPK years ago..never been fired..Lizards make fun of me all the time..:)
Did you buy it from the French Army, never been fired and only dropped once.
| 942 |
summergurl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:30:56pm |
re: #877 unreconstructed rebel
I cannot feature any publisher wanting to risk an advance on him.
Really? I can. A "tell-all" book by Blago would certainly sell, and it wouldn't have to tell all, just a little. Of course he might make more money from the people that DON'T want him to write a book.
| 943 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:31:01pm |
re: #934 sphincter
I recognized my native language. Thank you for your service! Eating dust in Graf or the Wild Chicken is not for the faint of heart.
Thanks. I left with a 10% disability - permanent hearing damage - and working in the Philly Fire Department. Both organizations can be equally infuriating when it comes to its members.
| 944 |
opnion Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:31:08pm |
| 945 |
Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:31:24pm |
re: #934 sphincter
I recognized my native language. Thank you for your service! Eating dust in Graf or the Wild Chicken is not for the faint of heart.
Been there, done that. No t-shirt, though.
| 946 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:32:00pm |
re: #945 Soona'
Been there, done that. No t-shirt, though.
And no credit for the Berlin Wall being taken down.
| 947 |
Cognito Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:32:10pm |
re: #937 Walter L. Newton
Get 'em, Walter. Get the motherless sons.
| 948 |
albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:32:27pm |
re: #944 opnion
It does seem past time to call in the National Guard. I really like Phoenix, but they need things under control to keep up tourism.
what could the NG do?
| 949 |
MandyManners Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:32:28pm |
re: #937 Walter L. Newton
Could SOMEONE tell me who the hell writes things like this...
So-called red water spews from Alamosa taps
ALAMOSA, Colo.—Chemicals now used to treat Alamosa's water are being blamed for reddish water spewing from faucets, mainly in the older parts of town.
Alamosa city officials said chemicals added to the water are reacting with cast iron pipes, some as old as 100 years. The reaction releases reddish iron and manganese....
[Link: www.denverpost.com...]
SO CALLED? If it's red colored then it's red.
I couldn't get the link to open but, perhaps there's an explanation from an employee at the water plant. But, if not, it's just a piss-poor job by the copy editor.
| 950 |
summergurl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:32:47pm |
re: #881 Eowyn2
how many hands does she have?
Either that child was not in a car seat or....... (shuddering at the visual)
| 951 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:32:53pm |
re: #944 opnion
Tourism. Yeah. Bet that's taken a hit. Wouldn't go there these days on a bet.
| 952 |
debutaunt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:33:02pm |
re: #896 soxfan4life
Dallas was a piece of cake. I cut my teeth in Boston traffic.
Traffic-roundabouts-of-death-and-destruction.
| 953 |
Sheepdogess Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:33:08pm |
I thought the "R" word thought was verboten here. I'm glad to see that it is not. People need to prepare.
| 954 |
LGoPs Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:33:10pm |
re: #908 Chicago Blonde
Huh, maybe you ARE family. :)
The same. This website does help - otherwise I'd feel more like I was the only one who felt this way.
You're sure right about that. This is one of the few places I go anymore to look for information.
I literally stopped watching the news on Novmber the 5th. I was a news junkie prior to that but afterwards I just couldn't take the BS anymore. And I think it literally has helped my blood pressure some - not kidding.
Also makes my neighbors a little less nervous. I think it scared them to hear unearthly shrieks and screams randomly coming from my house.......
:)
| 955 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:33:27pm |
| 956 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:33:46pm |
| 957 |
Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:33:53pm |
| 958 |
jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:33:54pm |
re: #911 HoosierHoops
I bought a PPK years ago..never been fired..Lizards make fun of me all the time..:)
Stock up on ammo.....
Practice before you rely on it.
| 959 |
Maximu§ Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:34:08pm |
re: #897 Special Forces Grunt
Hey, I thought all you 11B's were Dumb-asses...you sound pretty intelligent to this old Cav Scout.
I was an 11F4S (SF Intelligence Sergeant) back in Vietnam when the army commissioned me as a 2LT, and later they sent me to college. But, I'm still a grunt at heart. It's good to meet a fellow combat arms soldier.
Theres alot of vets in here. My boys in the 10th Mountain at Fort Drum.
| 960 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:34:18pm |
re: #950 summergurl
Why they call her "Longtits".
| 961 |
soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:34:25pm |
re: #952 debutaunt
Traffic-roundabouts-of-death-and-destruction.
Enter at your own risk, or peril depending on how you look at it.
| 962 |
opnion Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:34:33pm |
re: #948 albusteve
what could the NG do?
At least instill a feeling of security, that the narco gangs are now themselves outgunned.
| 963 |
kahall Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:34:35pm |
re: #903 Captain Amercia
And didn't even get a reach-around.
But, just think of all the free time most of us are bound to have soon. Won't it be great?
| 964 |
albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:34:41pm |
re: #949 MandyManners
I couldn't get the link to open but, perhaps there's an explanation from an employee at the water plant. But, if not, it's just a piss-poor job by the copy editor.
what's wrong decribing water as reddish?....what am I missing?
| 965 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:34:42pm |
re: #934 sphincter
I recognized my native language. Thank you for your service! Eating dust in Graf or the Wild Chicken is not for the faint of heart.
You've been to the Chicken? I lived there in 76-77 (as an army brat). That place was COLD!
| 966 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:34:58pm |
| 967 |
Eowyn2 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:35:08pm |
re: #858 unreconstructed rebel
Only about 3 here in Fauquier County, but it's damn cold for March 2. Only got up to 27 all day - in the sunshine.
we're in the low 50s today. Wait two hours though and it could be 40 below.
| 968 |
Sacred Plants Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:35:09pm |
This must be a conspiracy, or do you know any communist who owns stocks? ;-)
To all those who now are losing their assets, what did you think when you shrugged of the warnings that capitalism might betray you as well quicker than anyone could expect? How did it feel to ridicule those of us who chose not to participate any longer in this failed system as "losers"? Why did you resent those who felt your pain before you did?
It turns out capitalism is just a subprime mortgage on the planet. This Earth belongs to all of us and will continue to do so forever. No generation has a right to exploit its resources as if there was no tomorrow, and if one does nevertheless it will only produce losers. Now we will see whether the markets will be able to compete with the right not to participate.
| 970 |
sphincter Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:35:29pm |
re: #943 Captain Amercia
Philly Fire Department? Wow! Yeah, when I processed out they told me I had 40% hearing loss in my left ear. I never could figure that out. My right ear was closest to the M-16 and we wore ear-plugs everytime we fired any weapon. Still can't figure that one out.
Thank you for your service back in the day, and thank you for your service now. Not to cop the nonsense from current radio shows, but you are a great American!
| 971 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:35:49pm |
re: #906 nyc redneck
driving in the city isn't so hard.
you just go.
really, you just get behind the wheel and go w/ the flow.
you'd do fine. but you do have to pay attention tho.
(don't be going down the road, reading the nyt , not that you would.)
Why would I read toilet paper for birds?
/
WHAT?
/
| 972 |
ciaospirit Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:05pm |
Fools.
WASHINGTON – The Obama administration threw open the curtain on years of Bush-era secrets Monday, revealing anti-terror memos that claimed exceptional search-and-seizure powers and divulging that the CIA destroyed nearly 100 videotapes of interrogations and other treatment of terror suspects.
...
"Too often over the past decade, the fight against terrorism has been viewed as a zero-sum battle with our civil liberties," Attorney General Eric Holder said in a speech a few hours before the documents were released. "Not only is that school of thought misguided, I fear that in actuality it does more harm than good."
This is an attempt to distract us from what BHO is doing.
| 973 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:08pm |
re: #963 kahall
But, just think of all the free time most of us are bound to have soon. Won't it be great?
Obama wants everyone to be a Democrat. No job, no wories, living off the Welfare state.
| 974 |
albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:11pm |
re: #955 Captain Amercia
Watch the damned porous border?
Phoenix is not on the border....maybe I misunderstood
| 975 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:12pm |
re: #937 Walter L. Newton
well it's only "so called" journalism....
| 976 |
Digital Display Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:23pm |
re: #941 soxfan4life
Did you buy it from the French Army, never been fired and only dropped once.
LOL
yup..I bought the wicked 007 gun years ago and it still is a virgin..
I kind of like it that way....
| 977 |
2SoonOld2LateSmart Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:24pm |
re: #702 jcm
First row.
Bin... Decimal... Hex... ASCII
1100101 101 65 e
1101110 110 6E n
1110100 116 74 t
1101001 105 69 i
1110100 116 74 t
1101100 108 6C l
1100101 101 65 e
entitle
That whole mess means entitle?
| 978 |
opnion Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:47pm |
re: #951 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Tourism. Yeah. Bet that's taken a hit. Wouldn't go there these days on a bet.
And that is a big problem for them, they need tourists.
There are lot's less people at Spring Training games this year, but that could be the economy.
| 979 |
miclaine Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:55pm |
Honestly, I cannot blame this on the Obamessiah. Blame for this debacle rests squarely on the shoulders of Wm Clinton, Alan Greenspan and George W Bush. I am sure that BHO is not inspiring confidence, but let's not blame him for this mess.
Mic
| 980 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:36:58pm |
| 981 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:37:00pm |
re: #970 sphincter
Philly Fire Department? Wow! Yeah, when I processed out they told me I had 40% hearing loss in my left ear. I never could figure that out. My right ear was closest to the M-16 and we wore ear-plugs everytime we fired any weapon. Still can't figure that one out.
Thank you for your service back in the day, and thank you for your service now. Not to cop the nonsense from current radio shows, but you are a great American!
Thanks much! I still have the constant ringing, but I manage. It's a nice break in the day. :)
| 982 |
soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:37:51pm |
re: #972 ciaospirit
Fools.
This is an attempt to distract us from what BHO is doing.
What do we want a new witch hunt every 4 or 8 years? What an ass, way to heal the country dickhead.
| 983 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:38:23pm |
re: #964 albusteve
what's wrong decribing water as reddish?....what am I missing?
The headline called it "so-called" reddish water and the article said it was red. It's read water, it's not blue water being so-called red.
"So-called" implies something that is not really what it is. Well, if it's red, than it's red.
I am the vanguard of brining down yellow journalism.
| 984 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:38:35pm |
re: #979 miclaine
Honestly, I cannot blame this on the Obamessiah. Blame for this debacle rests squarely on the shoulders of Wm Clinton, Alan Greenspan and George W Bush. I am sure that BHO is not inspiring confidence, but let's not blame him for this mess.
Mic
Obama has just as much blame as the rest. This Porkulus Package is proof positive of that.
| 985 |
jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:38:40pm |
re: #968 Sacred Plants
This must be a conspiracy, or do you know any communist who owns stocks? ;-)
To all those who now are losing their assets, what did you think when you shrugged of the warnings that capitalism might betray you as well quicker than anyone could expect? How did it feel to ridicule those of us who chose not to participate any longer in this failed system as "losers"? Why did you resent those who felt your pain before you did?
It turns out capitalism is just a subprime mortgage on the planet. This Earth belongs to all of us and will continue to do so forever. No generation has a right to exploit its resources as if there was no tomorrow, and if one does nevertheless it will only produce losers. Now we will see whether the markets will be able to compete with the right not to participate.
So when I labor, sow, weed, water and harvest. You own a part of my product for doing nothing?
| 986 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:38:50pm |
re: #976 HoosierHoops
LOL
yup..I bought the wicked 007 gun years ago and it still is a virgin..
I kind of like it that way....
then why do you own it?
| 987 |
screaming_eagle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:07pm |
re: #968 Sacred Plants
Please stop drinking your bonk water.
| 988 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:11pm |
re: #968 Sacred Plants
Hey Rain Cloud Flower Sun Spring Rainbow. Please. Step away from the bong.
Why would a fuckin' commie want to be here.
| 989 |
Cognito Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:13pm |
re: #983 Walter L. Newton
The headline called it "so-called" reddish water and the article said it was red. It's read water, it's not blue water being so-called red.
"So-called" implies something that is not really what it is. Well, if it's red, than it's red.
I am the vanguard of brining down yellow journalism.
And thank goodness you're at it, Walter.
| 990 |
sphincter Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:17pm |
don't want to overlook Soona either. Anyone who's eatin that dust through a drive-on rag is alright by me.
| 991 |
Sifty Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:24pm |
While I hate the damage it is causing...
Communism is toxic to business in America.
Sooner or later even the Obamatons will have to acknowledge that every time Bambi sticks his head out of the sandbox, the market drops a few hundred points.
Right now, a million journalists are feverishly hoping to convince us that 2 + 2 will equal 5 if we all drink the Hopenchange.
| 992 |
Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:44pm |
Sighted: An accurate article headline from WaPo:
White House Cheat Sheet: A Cabinet In Full
Cheat indeed...
| 993 |
Captain Amercia Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:45pm |
re: #968 Sacred Plants
This must be a conspiracy, or do you know any communist who owns stocks? ;-)
To all those who now are losing their assets, what did you think when you shrugged of the warnings that capitalism might betray you as well quicker than anyone could expect? How did it feel to ridicule those of us who chose not to participate any longer in this failed system as "losers"? Why did you resent those who felt your pain before you did?
It turns out capitalism is just a subprime mortgage on the planet. This Earth belongs to all of us and will continue to do so forever. No generation has a right to exploit its resources as if there was no tomorrow, and if one does nevertheless it will only produce losers. Now we will see whether the markets will be able to compete with the right not to participate.
Lousy hippies.
| 994 |
opnion Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:50pm |
re: #974 albusteve
Phoenix is not on the border....maybe I misunderstood
But , they are coming across the Border & head off to Phoenix to sell their goods.
| 995 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:55pm |
re: #954 LGoPs
Yeah, I work when I get stressed, largely because that's the only thing that fixes it. At least my cholesterol level is receding along with my 401K....
| 996 |
summergurl Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:39:57pm |
re: #968 Sacred Plants
This must be a conspiracy, or do you know any communist who owns stocks? ;-)
To all those who now are losing their assets, what did you think when you shrugged of the warnings that capitalism might betray you as well quicker than anyone could expect? How did it feel to ridicule those of us who chose not to participate any longer in this failed system as "losers"? Why did you resent those who felt your pain before you did?
It turns out capitalism is just a subprime mortgage on the planet. This Earth belongs to all of us and will continue to do so forever. No generation has a right to exploit its resources as if there was no tomorrow, and if one does nevertheless it will only produce losers. Now we will see whether the markets will be able to compete with the right not to participate.
Chong is that you?
| 997 |
pittrader1988 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:40:05pm |
re: #827 FrogMarch
you really can't blame the stock broker. his clients have lost so much money his commissions have dried up-and if lives in a state with decent gun laws, his clients are looking for him anyway.
| 998 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:40:18pm |
re: #983 Walter L. Newton
The headline called it "so-called" reddish water and the article said it was red. It's read water, it's not blue water being so-called red.
"So-called" implies something that is not really what it is. Well, if it's red, than it's red.
I am the vanguard of brining down yellow journalism.
So-called yellow journalism.
/ducking
| 999 |
albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:40:36pm |
re: #983 Walter L. Newton
The headline called it "so-called" reddish water and the article said it was red. It's read water, it's not blue water being so-called red.
"So-called" implies something that is not really what it is. Well, if it's red, than it's red.
I am the vanguard of brining down yellow journalism.
you're right...I didn't read the so-called headline
| 1000 |
Soona' Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:40:42pm |
re: #968 Sacred Plants
This must be a conspiracy, or do you know any communist who owns stocks? ;-)
To all those who now are losing their assets, what did you think when you shrugged of the warnings that capitalism might betray you as well quicker than anyone could expect? How did it feel to ridicule those of us who chose not to participate any longer in this failed system as "losers"? Why did you resent those who felt your pain before you did?
It turns out capitalism is just a subprime mortgage on the planet. This Earth belongs to all of us and will continue to do so forever. No generation has a right to exploit its resources as if there was no tomorrow, and if one does nevertheless it will only produce losers. Now we will see whether the markets will be able to compete with the right not to participate.
A really, really for real troll. I might add a really, really for real shithead.
| 1001 |
Sheepdogess Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:41:17pm |
re: #968 Sacred Plants
Communism is not good for children and other living things.
| 1002 |
Dragonwolf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:41:48pm |
re: #985 jcm
So when I labor, sow, weed, water and harvest. You own a part of my product for doing nothing?
Didn't you get the memo?
/sarcasm
| 1003 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:42:09pm |
| 1004 |
Maximu§ Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:42:19pm |
re: #968 Sacred Plants
This must be a conspiracy, or do you know any communist who owns stocks? ;-)
To all those who now are losing their assets, what did you think when you shrugged of the warnings that capitalism might betray you as well quicker than anyone could expect? How did it feel to ridicule those of us who chose not to participate any longer in this failed system as "losers"? Why did you resent those who felt your pain before you did?
It turns out capitalism is just a subprime mortgage on the planet. This Earth belongs to all of us and will continue to do so forever. No generation has a right to exploit its resources as if there was no tomorrow, and if one does nevertheless it will only produce losers. Now we will see whether the markets will be able to compete with the right not to participate.
STFU Pothead!
| 1005 |
SurferDoc Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:42:27pm |
Trollin', trollin', trollin'
Keep them lefties trollin'
Rawhiiiiiide!
Yee Ha.
| 1006 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:42:37pm |
re: #989 Cognito
And thank goodness you're at it, Walter.
I'm sorry Cog, I missed your first post to me. I didn't mean to ignore you, I was getting really busy with replying to answers to my comment about the "so-called" red water. So, let me respond.
FUCK OFF COG.
| 1007 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:42:42pm |
re: #968 Sacred Plants
You really need to go talk to some people who have actually lived under communism. Better yet, read the Black Book of Communism.
Capitalism survived the Great Depression, and all the ones before it and after it, and it will survive this.
| 1008 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:42:43pm |
Off to pick up pizza to feed the starving masses at home.
/BBL, maybe
| 1009 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:42:46pm |
Really. What the heck was that?
| 1010 |
soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:43:15pm |
re: #1001 Sheepdogess
Communism is not good for children and other living things.
Only because we haven't had Barack Obama to implement it before///
| 1011 |
Lincolntf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:43:31pm |
Hi all.
I know I'm late to the thread but I wonder how often the MSM will refer to "lows not seen since the Clinton Admin." when referring to the recent stock market declines.
Realwest, you here?
| 1012 |
OldLineTexan Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:43:36pm |
re: #1009 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Really. What the heck was that?
Tune in, turn on, drop out.
/Timothy Leary's DEAD, Jim
//really gone now
| 1013 |
albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:43:37pm |
re: #994 opnion
But , they are coming across the Border & head off to Phoenix to sell their goods.
yes I know...I was thinking about NG troops with regard to tourists in the city....you have no argument from me....the Sonoran desert is a fine place to shoot, maneuver, shoot again, overwhelm and kill...
| 1016 |
Digital Display Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:44:36pm |
re: #986 Fighton03
then why do you own it?
Collectors item..You don't think the hoopster bought a handgun to kill someone did you? I don't go to sleep with a pistol under my pillow..
That's just me...
| 1017 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:44:42pm |
re: #968 Sacred Plants
A Potemkin village is missing its idiot.
| 1018 |
jcm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:44:46pm |
re: #1002 Dragonwolf
Didn't you get the memo?
/sarcasm
I'm still working off the memo dated July 4, 1776.
:-)
| 1019 |
FrogMarch Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:44:57pm |
re: #913 Walter L. Newton
This is not the work of a idealistic kindly-hearted addled old man. This is an actual scripted revolution.You can bank on what I am saying.
I doubt you will find anyone who will disagree.
| 1020 |
screaming_eagle Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:45:11pm |
re: #1000 Soona'
A really, really for real troll. I might add a really, really for real shithead.
But dude you don't unstand. Just think.. .. like .. uh.. and , but it might be.. man we need to ;shit where am I?
| 1021 |
albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:45:15pm |
re: #1004 Maximu§
STFU Pothead!
it's not that, he misunderstands capitalism with regard to the computer he is posting with....oh well
| 1023 |
Cognito Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:45:18pm |
re: #1006 Walter L. Newton
I'm sorry Cog, I missed your first post to me. I didn't mean to ignore you, I was getting really busy with replying to answers to my comment about the "so-called" red water. So, let me respond.
FUCK OFF COG.
Mmm. Well rendered. Difficult to see any other viable opinion, when you put it that way.
| 1025 |
Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:45:39pm |
re: #968 Sacred Plants
I dunno, you're participating in "the system" quite nicely having purchased a PC and subscribed to an ISP. I'd even wager you have a........JOB. Way to go, Smokey! Ronald Reagan would be so proud of you!
| 1026 |
LGoPs Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:45:43pm |
re: #968 Sacred Plants
It turns out capitalism is just a subprime mortgage on the planet. This Earth belongs to all of us and will continue to do so forever. No generation has a right to exploit its resources as if there was no tomorrow, and if one does nevertheless it will only produce losers. Now we will see whether the markets will be able to compete with the right not to participate.
If you want my piece of earth you can come and fucking get it yourself. Don't be a pussy and have the government get it for you.....
| 1027 |
Bloodnok Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:46:21pm |
| 1029 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:47:14pm |
| 1030 |
albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:47:24pm |
re: #1026 LGoPs
It turns out capitalism is just a subprime mortgage on the planet. This Earth belongs to all of us and will continue to do so forever. No generation has a right to exploit its resources as if there was no tomorrow, and if one does nevertheless it will only produce losers. Now we will see whether the markets will be able to compete with the right not to participate.
If you want my piece of earth you can come and fucking get it yourself. Don't be a pussy and have the government get it for you.....
well...no veggie burrito for you....
| 1031 |
opnion Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:47:25pm |
re: #1013 albusteve
yes I know...I was thinking about NG troops with regard to tourists in the city....you have no argument from me....the Sonoran desert is a fine place to shoot, maneuver, shoot again, overwhelm and kill...
My misunderstanding, but I am not so sure that NG vehicle patrols in Phoenix proper are such a bad thing. The down side is that tourists would freak.
The big problem will be if the narco gangs topple the Mexican Government. We could never handle all of the refugees.
| 1035 |
plumber Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:49:07pm |
Hey Charles & everyone - rarely post, just read - love all of you / you provide invaluable reassurance to me.
Liberalism thrives because its (inferior) positions are stripped to simple, memorable, effective arguments. Tomorrow I'll battle my boss and manager over this dire economic situation and they'll say 90% of it was caused by corporate greed and Wall Street bundling, whatever that is.
Truthfully, I have difficulty understanding economics and finance (sort of a national defense guy) and I have not spent enough time reading about Fannie/Mac and the roles of Barney Frank, Dodd, Gorelick to sufficiently dispute their claims.
Conservative arguments are built on more evidence than can fit on a bumper sticker, but Democratic malfeasance as it relates to the sub prime mortgage crisis, and Zero's stewardship in general, must surely constitute a greater measure of culpability than does a common human failing we have all had to guard against: what can I tell my leftist co-workers?
| 1036 |
cartoonboy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:49:52pm |
We're in the middle of the octo-stimulus prequel.
| 1037 |
albusteve Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:50:04pm |
re: #1031 opnion
My misunderstanding, but I am not so sure that NG vehicle patrols in Phoenix proper are such a bad thing. The down side is that tourists would freak.
The big problem will be if the narco gangs topple the Mexican Government. We could never handle all of the refugees.
I have not visited lately...I was going to visit my sister in Yuma this spring and spend a day or so snooping around...I can't believe what I hear...
| 1038 |
Dragonwolf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:51:16pm |
re: #1010 soxfan4life
Only because we haven't had Barack Obama to implement it before///
Please, I beg of you, tell you're joking.
If not, are you willing to share your stash of hallucinogenics?(sp?)
| 1040 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:51:39pm |
re: #1016 HoosierHoops
Collectors item..You don't think the hoopster bought a handgun to kill someone did you? I don't go to sleep with a pistol under my pillow..
That's just me...
me neither, but I can't picture someone purchasing a gun and not being able to use it. Sort of like buying a car or motorcycle but not learning to drive. To each their own, but please....never attempt to use it for real if you don't practice with it.
| 1041 |
shiplord kirel Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:52:40pm |
re: #983 Walter L. Newton
The headline called it "so-called" reddish water and the article said it was red. It's read water, it's not blue water being so-called red.
"So-called" implies something that is not really what it is. Well, if it's red, than it's red.
I am the vanguard of brining down yellow journalism.
I am all in favor of brining down yellow journalism, but be sure and add plenty of vinegar and a touch of that green pepper stuff to the brine. It brings out that gamy flavor we lizardoids so crave in our pickled journalists. Sublime, especially barbecued with an ice-cold Dos Equis.
Btw, if somebody still has the recipe for hickory-smoked journalist, please send it to me.
| 1045 |
Dragonwolf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:53:27pm |
re: #1018 jcm
I'm still working off the memo dated July 4, 1776.
:-)
Thankfully there are still some of us who do.
| 1046 |
soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:54:15pm |
re: #1035 plumber
Hey Charles & everyone - rarely post, just read - love all of you / you provide invaluable reassurance to me.
Liberalism thrives because its (inferior) positions are stripped to simple, memorable, effective arguments. Tomorrow I'll battle my boss and manager over this dire economic situation and they'll say 90% of it was caused by corporate greed and Wall Street bundling, whatever that is.
Truthfully, I have difficulty understanding economics and finance (sort of a national defense guy) and I have not spent enough time reading about Fannie/Mac and the roles of Barney Frank, Dodd, Gorelick to sufficiently dispute their claims.
Conservative arguments are built on more evidence than can fit on a bumper sticker, but Democratic malfeasance as it relates to the sub prime mortgage crisis, and Zero's stewardship in general, must surely constitute a greater measure of culpability than does a common human failing we have all had to guard against: what can I tell my leftist co-workers?
That there mesiah BHO is a commie America hater who is instituting an internal jihad against us. They could have been happy with a D like John McCain in office but went full commie and elected Barrack Hussein Obama. As a Desert Storm vet having this turd in office is as insulting as a President named Ngyen would be to a Viet Nam vet.
| 1047 |
96RoadKing Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:55:27pm |
re: #1011 Lincolntf
Hi all.
I know I'm late to the thread but I wonder how often the MSM will refer to "lows not seen since the Clinton Admin." when referring to the recent stock market declines.Realwest, you here?
Clinton? Who's Clinton? Oh, the Elder Statesman that the Messiah will be honoring at some time or another...They'll probably refer to 'lows not seen since the beginning of the Reagan Administration'
| 1048 |
Maximu§ Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:56:01pm |
re: #934 sphincter
I recognized my native language. Thank you for your service! Eating dust in Graf or the Wild Chicken is not for the faint of heart.
I been to both and the wind does howl at Wild Chicken (Wild Flecken) and dust cakes your throat at Graff after a long roadmarch.......lets not even talk about the cold showers at tent city at 2;00 am
| 1049 |
LGoPs Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:56:32pm |
re: #1035 plumber
Hey Charles & everyone - rarely post, just read - love all of you / you provide invaluable reassurance to me.
Liberalism thrives because its (inferior) positions are stripped to simple, memorable, effective arguments. Tomorrow I'll battle my boss and manager over this dire economic situation and they'll say 90% of it was caused by corporate greed and Wall Street bundling, whatever that is.
Truthfully, I have difficulty understanding economics and finance (sort of a national defense guy) and I have not spent enough time reading about Fannie/Mac and the roles of Barney Frank, Dodd, Gorelick to sufficiently dispute their claims.
Conservative arguments are built on more evidence than can fit on a bumper sticker, but Democratic malfeasance as it relates to the sub prime mortgage crisis, and Zero's stewardship in general, must surely constitute a greater measure of culpability than does a common human failing we have all had to guard against: what can I tell my leftist co-workers?
I agree that many leftist arguments fit on a bumper sticker and that gives their mindless followers all the intellectual argument they need.
And unfortunately the conservative response cannot be bundled up neatly.
One thing I'd recommend that is succinct and concise: Point out that every major urban area in America has a Democratic death grip on it. And those same areas are bankrupting and collapsing by any measurable standard: Education, infrastructure, overwhelming taxes.
California, as a state, is the best example of all........
| 1050 |
Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:56:50pm |
re: #1035 plumber
I'd say if you have a leftist boss and manager, you may want to consider self-employment. You may have already come to that decision if you plan to confront them as you describe? Seriously, though - Look before you leap.
Leftists in positions of power waste no time exacting revenge upon 'wrong-thinkers', as we've witnessed since the election.
| 1051 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:56:50pm |
re: #1035 plumber
tell them to quit expecting things from others and to quote the eagles "The big, bad world doesn't owe them a thing, get over it."
| 1052 |
Chicago Blonde Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:57:53pm |
Guys, I need to bail. Thanks for brightening an otherwise crap afternoon, and I'll see you tomorrow.
| 1053 |
soxfan4life Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:58:21pm |
re: #1050 Gort
I'd say if you have a leftist boss and manager, you may want to consider self-employment. You may have already come to that decision if you plan to confront them as you describe? Seriously, though - Look before you leap.
Leftists in positions of power waste no time exacting revenge upon 'wrong-thinkers', as we've witnessed since the election.
The only thing they jump on faster is one of theirs who loses an election
| 1054 |
LGoPs Mon, Mar 2, 2009 3:59:02pm |
re: #1052 Chicago Blonde
Guys, I need to bail. Thanks for brightening an otherwise crap afternoon, and I'll see you tomorrow.
See ya.....
:)
| 1055 |
Dragonwolf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:01:51pm |
re: #1038 Dragonwolf
Please, I beg of you, tell you're joking.
If not, are you willing to share your stash of hallucinogenics?(sp?)
My bad, I should have known he was joking.
| 1056 |
LGoPs Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:03:19pm |
re: #1050 Gort
I'd say if you have a leftist boss and manager, you may want to consider self-employment. You may have already come to that decision if you plan to confront them as you describe? Seriously, though - Look before you leap.
Leftists in positions of power waste no time exacting revenge upon 'wrong-thinkers', as we've witnessed since the election.
They truly are hateful people. Very much at odds with the tolerant persona they like to cloak themselves in.
As strong a conservative as I am, I have never, ever wanted to threaten a liberals livelihood. Ever.
But I know for a fact that if they know you are conservative they will try to make you lose your job. I used to warn some of my managers about this - especially ones that were outspoken about their views and had liberals working for them. I told them to keep it to themselves because the liberals would find some way of making trouble.
They truly are bastards,.
| 1057 |
6pat6 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:04:55pm |
Looks like my prediction of 7,000 proved true. Damn, I am such a pessimist. Boys and girls, we are going to see 4,000 before too long. With BHO in charge, the Dow is like a Limbo line - "how low can you go?"
And the trillions keep getting spent.
Notice, today, the government is whining that we are SAVING too much? No, BHO and Co., we are trying to save whatever we can from your greedy fuc*ing grasp, that's what!
| 1058 |
brookly red Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:05:02pm |
re: #1000 Soona'
A really, really for real troll. I might add a really, really for real shithead.
that was no troll, that was tokyo rose:)
| 1059 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:05:06pm |
| 1060 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:09:28pm |
How do global stock markets react to the Hopey Changey World Tour proposal over the weekend?
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
The same way ours did.
| 1061 |
Dragonwolf Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:10:13pm |
| 1062 |
Caboose Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:10:29pm |
Someone tell me why I decided to give up booze for this particular Lent season? I guess it is supposed to be a real challenge and this time, it for damn-sure is! (If I fall off and take a drink, I can say (in my best Flip Wilson "Geraldine" voice), "Da 0-bah-maaa made me do it, honeychild!"
| 1063 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:12:12pm |
HELL HATH FROZEN OVER! Get this from Al Reuters!
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
| 1064 |
SummerSong Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:13:55pm |
| 1065 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:14:31pm |
| 1066 |
Fighton03 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:16:11pm |
man I feel like a donkeycrat....third time the charm?
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
| 1068 |
Plumber Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:21:26pm |
Hey Soxfan - yeah those are my sentiments. We're going to have to fight like dogs on this, but we'll beat these guys. Man to man until they fall - fine with me.
| 1069 |
LemonJoose Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:29:19pm |
OT:
I just had to say how glad I am that Michael Steele stood up to Rush Limbaugh. I agree with Rush on a lot of things, but I really disagree with the way he is trying to draw some fictional line in the sand to claim "conservative" ground only for himself and those who agree with him on every single issue. His cheap shot about John McCain "not being a conservative nominee" as the reason the Republicans lost the election was also dishonest and a declaration of civil war within the Republican party. Rush wants to distract people from the fact that he himself contributed to John McCain's defeat by undermining him during the primaries and then giving him only tepid support after he won the nomination. John McCain has been a better fiscal conservative than many Republicans that Rush has supported over the years, such as George W. Bush.
There really is no disagreement among conservatives over major issues such as keeping government spending down, lowering taxes to create economic growth, and maintaining a strong national defense. Rush is attempting to define Christian right views on social issues as necessary in order to be a "true" conservative. However, if William F. Buckley were alive today, he would take great issue with Rush on this. True conservatism is to keep the government out of one's private business such as whether or not you choose to own a gun, whether or not you choose to continue your pregnancy, whom one chooses to marry, whether or not you choose to drink alcohol, and whether or not you choose to smoke marijuana. The Christian right view on social issues is a Big Brother government view on social issues.
But more importantly, the Republican party needs to make room for both libertarian and Christian right views on social issues, avoid a civil war within its ranks over these issues, and try to concentrate on the issues where conservatives all agree, such as fiscal responsibility and maintaining a strong national defense.
Unfortunately, if there's a civil war coming in the Republican party, you can blame Rush for trying to appoint himself as the final arbiter of what conservatism is.
| 1070 |
Killian Bundy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:31:15pm |
| 1071 |
Curt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:12pm |
re: #47 Roses
Devastating. But Obama has essentially declared war on his own people, on his highest producers, the engine that runs the economy.
He is the rancher, eating his seed corn, slaughtering his milk cows for meat, killing his bulls, consuming everything of value - He, with the legislators in their drunken spending orgy is mortgaging future revenues and will sell everything that is not bolted down before they get out of office.
And he has the activist orgs spouting lovely mission statements to lull the American public into complacency, farm life is so beautiful and bucolic after all.
Many, many Years ago, I was handed "I Choose Freedom". Early 70's and it has stuck with me, the story of a young man in Soviet Russia, son of a White Russian, who ended up assigned to go to farms and take their mandatory quota of grain, even if it meant no food for the people or the livestock, and even when the crops were still waiting to be harvested. One could not touch the grain, until the quota was met. Later, as an engineer in a pipe factory, he watched people hauled off to the gulags for "sabotaging" the machinery, which would break down if the steel fed into the was too hard, which wwas the normal case.
Quotas reined, quality wasn't an issue. Chasing it could get you dead.
While on exchange in the US during WWII, he defected.
Powerful book. The problem is, we have no where to defect to, as the Centralized Economy is put in place, to wipe us all out.
Has the Bamster figured if we're dying off, or can't afford carbon credits to come to the rallies, there will no more cheering? Oh, not to worry, I'm sure Axelrod recorded enough during the run for the election to be played back as necessary. Heck, with a good sound engineer, he could mix those tracks endlessly, so the MSM wouldn't even realized it was the same cheering and clapping over and over..
| 1072 |
Gort Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:33:44pm |
re: #1053 soxfan4life
The only thing they jump on faster is one of theirs who loses an election
Or one of their enemies who loses an election to them.
Possibly tee-up for prosecutions or at least fodder for Leahy's Ministry of Truth: [Link: news.yahoo.com...]
// Disclosure of tactics and decision process to the so-called terrorists be damned, we want the truth!
| 1073 |
Curt Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:41:48pm |
re: #1069 LemonJoose
Well, Nature abhors a vacuum. Here's my take: Who can name a Republican who has stepped forward, pushed themselves in front of the cameras and microphones and is telling us to rally?
For the past several years, it was rare to see any Republican elected official anywhere, unless, of course, they were at a meeting/conference, bowing before the thone of "across the aisle-ness."
Just who are the leaders anymore?
Sorry, Rush beat down McCain for trying to ush illegal immigration down the Republicans throats, even when the massess of not only Republicans, but a lot of Democrats objected. So he had a different opinion and he stated it. Isn't that what we have accepted for 200+ years, or until now, where to ever say the person at the front of the pack is wrong is some sort of political blasphemy?
Dude, wake up and smell the coffee.
And just when did you ever know a leader who did everything for everybody, except for the facade of that presentation by Democrats and Liberals? Never. If the majority of the message rigns true, get on baord with a leader and then, if your position is better, it's up to you to present and sell it, in the market of ideas, not to wait for the "perfect person" to arrive to "fix" it all...Nov 4th says we can't even that decision properly, even when we are "asked" to do so.
| 1074 |
Roses Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:52:24pm |
re: #1071 Curt
Many, many Years ago, I was handed "I Choose Freedom".
I'll have to read that! Make it mandatory.
| 1075 |
VioletTiger Mon, Mar 2, 2009 4:54:22pm |
re: #773 FrogMarch
September 18, 2008. I still want some answers.
Ah, me too. Something is rotten in Denmark.
| 1076 |
Syrah Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:03:43pm |
Nothing sucks the wind out of a workday like watching your former future customers get wiped out in an ugly market crash.
| 1077 |
Plumber Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:07:42pm |
LGoPs, Gort, Fight on - great points.
My work environment is strange - I'm good friends with the leftists there; truthfully they're dear to me. They know I'm out to crush their ideology but we're still alright.
| 1078 |
Arby Dwiar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:12:30pm |
re: #913 Walter L. Newton
Eventhough I upding'd you on that one, I observe that sevoguy is a numbers person, whereas you strike me as someone who relies heavily upon feelings, in regard to this situation; as such, and because the world markets are financially more interconnected then they were in the "no internet '70s", it is more likely that this will indeed play out much as sevoguy has outlined.
Just puttin' it out there...
| 1080 |
Mikey_Dallas Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:30:55pm |
"Freedom's just another word for, nothin' left to lose....."
Janice Joplin
======================
Well, I sure as hell don't have much left to lose. THANK YOU Mr. President. Your glibness and incompetence makes us all proud to be the laughing stock of "The Planet".
I never, ever, in my entire life would have believed I would say what I'm about to say. I despise her, revile her, hate her, loathe her, and let's just say distrust her, but, G-d help me, I WISH HRC WAS PRESIDENT. At least she knows the value (or what used to be the value) of a dollar.
| 1082 |
cartoonboy Mon, Mar 2, 2009 5:39:02pm |
O's budget saving energy solution: unicorns on treadmills. Don't forget to replenish their Whole Food Mrkt feed bags regularly.
| 1085 |
LauraO Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:11:57pm |
I feel sick.
When can we impeach this Dream Team?
When my grandmother fell and broke her hip, she told my father to go under the floor boards in the attic and get all of the Pepperidge Farm cookie tins. They were full of savings bonds! Some of them 50 years old. She had plenty of money. She said that she never trusted banks. We all thought she was crazy back then. I think that she was on to something.
| 1086 |
Mauser Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:26:00pm |
Man, you wanna talk about bad fiscal policy. Here are the last three Budget Deficits of the Bush administration, and the projected deficit of Obama's first year.
Each $ = 10 Billion.
Bush
2006 = 248.2 Billion
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
2007 = 160.7 Billion
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
2008 = 459.8 Billion
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Obama
2009 = 1.9 Trillion
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
| 1088 |
pittrader1988 Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:37:50pm |
re: #1086 Mauser
must be the added cost of the Iraq War...............
Where do I fiddle while Rome burns?
| 1089 |
Muadib Mon, Mar 2, 2009 6:38:19pm |
re: #1085 LauraO
Give them some time. They will hang themselves.
| 1090 |
jimzinsocal Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:03:20pm |
Man this topic grew long in a hurry. 200 or so posts last I looked.
For me? What the "market does" isnt the final judgment about anything.
The "market" has been called the spoiled child. The 13 year old boy that gets a case of wee wee pants about everything. Well so?
Anyone so naive that thinks "the market" wont get a full diaper
via driving down prices out of "whispers and rumors"?
Every loss? Someone gains.
| 1092 |
captdiggs Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:10:00pm |
We're all in deep doo-doo.
Romney would have been the best man in the whitehouse for this particular mess.
Obama was not ready for prime time in a crisis.
| 1093 |
jimzinsocal Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:35:06pm |
re: #1092 captdiggs
We're all in deep doo-doo.
Romney would have been the best man in the whitehouse for this particular mess.
Obama was not ready for prime time in a crisis.
I agree with you. People would have felt [at least] that there was someone smarter than Chance Gardener running things [see Being There] with his cute answers. And the Gardener analogy was mine weeks ago despite what you read at NRO.
| 1094 |
Musicmaven Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:36:07pm |
How could so many people vote this Cardboard Messiah? Has he ever had a real job?
It is scary having the "Not Ready for Prime Time Players" in charge of government.
| 1096 |
mattm Mon, Mar 2, 2009 7:48:09pm |
re: #1092 captdiggs
We're all in deep doo-doo.
Romney would have been the best man in the whitehouse for this particular mess.
Obama was not ready for prime time in a crisis.
Obama was not ready for prime time to begin with.
| 1097 |
semadar Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:11:09pm |
Perhaps Obama is destroying the USA from inside, finishing the job that the 911 terrorists started.
| 1098 |
Dasher Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:20:53pm |
re: #1097 semadar
Perhaps Obama is destroying the USA from inside, finishing the job that the 911 terrorists started.
You might be on to something there. I am convinced he wants to destroy capitalism in the United States.
| 1099 |
Macker Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:21:40pm |
re: #163 karmic_inquisitor
Not only do I miss George W. Bush, but I am even starting to miss Bill Clinton.
Say what you want about the guy, but he never went for the "compound an economic crisis to grow the government" crap that Emanuel, Axelrod, Obama, Pelosi and Reid have cooked up.
What ever happened to centrist Democrats? Are you people going to let a guy destroy the country and mortgage the future for generations because you found a charismatic associate law professor who can allay your white guilt?
I wonder if the current economic situation brought about by БХО and the Demo☭rats in Congress is their way of exacting "reparations"?
| 1100 |
Dasher Mon, Mar 2, 2009 8:23:33pm |
re: #1086 Mauser
Man, you wanna talk about bad fiscal policy. Here are the last three Budget Deficits of the Bush administration, and the projected deficit of Obama's first year.
Each $ = 10 Billion.Bush
2006 = 248.2 Billion
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
2007 = 160.7 Billion
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
2008 = 459.8 Billion
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$Obama
2009 = 1.9 Trillion
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
There will be a 65 percent increase in the debt limit in the first two years of the Obama admin. From $10 trillion to $16.5 trillion.
| 1101 |
flyingcloud Mon, Mar 2, 2009 10:06:39pm |
I figured it out last october when they rejected Paulson's $700 billion bail out, but approved $850 billion. As soon as I saw that, I liquidated everything and avoided the loss.
Most US banks, insurance companies, pension funds, hedge funds and private equities were essentially bankrupt. Politicians have invested in these entities and their assets are worthless and they knew they were wiped out! The bail out and stimulus are essentially used to pay themselves. Once the bail out and stimulus passed, they got their money, there was no need to prop up the market, so market went down, they then would use the newly created money to take over the best company. It is as simple as that. It will happend again and again.
| 1102 |
pegcity Mon, Mar 2, 2009 10:18:35pm |
re: #1101 flyingcloud
good call, my dad did the same thing, put all his money in CDIC insured accounts 5 of them.
| 1103 |
Sacred Plants Tue, Mar 3, 2009 3:47:54am |
re: #985 jcm
So when I labor, sow, weed, water and harvest. You own a part of my product for doing nothing?
I believe this time we can find a way to get around without Cain killing Abel.
It is not your product, it is what God helped you with because you helped yourself.
The solution to the conservation of the inherited resources and to the accomodation of those who produce nothing is one and the same: A planetary union must redistribute a resources consumption tax as an unconditional basic income. Such an union can only result from a succesful transformation of capitalism not from its crash.
So, I am not doing nothing. I am working on the abolition of the sink-or-swim society, which I see as destructive regardless whether it sinks you now or later.
| 1104 |
DaddyG Tue, Mar 3, 2009 4:47:04am |
re: #764 brookly red Missed this - sorry. I would say it depends on what you are trying to accomplish. 6 Sigma may be more appropriate for quality issues and Lean for efficiency. That's my opinion and worth what you paid for it.
| 1105 |
croob Tue, Mar 3, 2009 5:50:26am |
We're surprised that he's trying to weaken the country he's always hated ? the dude even taught his kids to hate this place.
| 1106 |
leww37334 Tue, Mar 3, 2009 7:08:53am |
The stock market is the mainstay of the free market.
The free market is the centerpiece of capitalism.
Obama hates capitalism, Figure the rest out for yourself.
| 1107 |
Walahi Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:31:27am |
re: #178 Rexatosis
We, as a nation, have got to stop electing individuals from an extremely narrow segment of the economy (lawyers) and stop re-electing politicians who have never done anything since leaving college or grad school but work in government. .... It behoves the electorate to stop electing bad lawyers who have been running for one office or another since they were 25-years old and start nominating and electing some citizens with some real world experience.
I am a lawyer and I tend agree with you. However it is my view that most lawyers that end up as politicians are usually those who couldn't hack it in real practice (see Obama and Edwards).
I think term limits are important for legislature as well. Career politicians are so detached from the real world that their 'solutions' have no real world experience - merely what can be gleaned from a panel of 'experts' and what will enable that person to run for office again.
By the way, I hate that Obama is made out to be some constitutional law scholar when I can't find any of his scholarship. Neither was he counsel in a landmark decision. Simply giving seminars to first year law students does not a legal eagle make.
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