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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 18, 2018 • 7:51:12pm

Been a while since we’ve had a comic book thread. Thanks Charles. That is a very stark cover - and very apropos, methinks.

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scottslemmons  May 18, 2018 • 7:59:32pm

Speaking of ominous duo-colored comic covers of Kirby creations, here’s the cover of an upcoming “Mister Miracle” issue:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2018 • 8:00:11pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2018 • 8:02:00pm
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electrotek  May 18, 2018 • 8:02:47pm

Repost from downstairs:

This douche on my FB posts this on the day 10 kids were gunned down:

Facebook Post

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 18, 2018 • 8:05:46pm

Shit going on currently make me think about the Anti-Life Equation and Darkseid all the time.

Amid all his wild, goofy stuff, Kirby’s vision of Apocalyps is a very modern pantheon of very modern evil (contrasted with the New Gods, who are pretty much Indo-European boilerplate) and incredibly relevant in how they incarnate human evils as opposed to malicious external forces.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 8:06:11pm

From the previous thread:

re: #390 electrotek

This douche on my FB posts this on the day 10 kids were gunned down:

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It is a gun owner’s responsibility to keep up with the law, just as it is a ham radio operator, a business owner, a truck driver, &c.

Sounds like another one of those “responsible conservatives” who blame everyone but themselves when they don’t take responsibility. News at 11.

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De Kolta Chair  May 18, 2018 • 8:08:58pm

Aside from a long prison term, Scott Pruitt’s scariest nightmare

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freetoken  May 18, 2018 • 8:10:21pm

Recent presentation at CalTech, covers subjects we’ve mentioned here many times so I’m not sure there is a lot of revelation in this, but the presenter summarizes the problem we face as a society that doesn’t want to accept reality because it goes against their intuition:

Science vs. Intuition: Why Scientific Ideas Elude the Human Mind - A. Shtulman - 5/17/2018

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scottslemmons  May 18, 2018 • 8:13:12pm

re: #9 De Kolta Chair

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Master of all Wood, eh?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 18, 2018 • 8:14:04pm

re: #11 scottslemmons

Master of all Wood, eh?

That’s what SHE said.

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jaunte  May 18, 2018 • 8:15:29pm

No one expects the X-rated Groot thread.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2018 • 8:16:34pm

Damn! It’s been a while since Charles has posted a comic book cover from his wooden box full of old comic books from Hawaii that he cracked open some years ago.

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 8:21:56pm
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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 8:27:59pm

re: #15 MsJ

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Honeypot!!!

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De Kolta Chair  May 18, 2018 • 8:28:03pm

I’ve always been a big fan of Kirby and Lee’s Rawhide Kid

Rawhide Kid #28 (1955), inked by the great Dick Ayers. and way before its time
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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2018 • 8:28:17pm
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petesh  May 18, 2018 • 8:28:56pm

Follow the money. Pennies, nickels, dimes, quarters, dollar bills, HUNDRED dollar bills.

That’s what’s going to bring him down.

Prince Charles & the City Beat Band Cash Cash Money

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 8:40:34pm

re: #16 JordanRules

Honeypot!!!

I was just finishing that article and that’s exactly what I thought!

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prairiefire  May 18, 2018 • 8:41:12pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Oh my goodness.

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Single-handed sailor  May 18, 2018 • 8:41:32pm

Cambridge spy seminars hit by whispers of Russian links as three intelligence experts resign

The Telegraph, by Lydia Willgress and Luke Heighton, 17 December 2016

But he admitted Russian involvement was “possible” amid a “cascade” of Russian intelligence-related activities.

He said: “After the heady days of post-Cold War and the belief that we were moving the Russians into a rules-based international system, we seem to be going very rapidly in the opposite direction.

“Whether it’s cyber activities, their apparent general malevolence and disruption, what you’re hearing is alleged to have taken place in the United States - and there is no reason to suggest the United States has made this up - it’s a catalogue of activities.

“Television outlets like Russia Today are running around all over the place. There is a lot of Russian activity. It is perfectly plain that the Russians are in a hyperactive mode and this seems to be on the face of it orchestrated by Mr Putin, and frankly I find it very worrying.”

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jaunte  May 18, 2018 • 8:43:23pm

re: #15 MsJ

“…The informant, an American academic who teaches in Britain, made contact late that summer with one campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, according to people familiar with the matter. He also met repeatedly in the ensuing months with the other aide, Carter Page, who was also under F.B.I. scrutiny for his ties to Russia.
…..
The New York Times has learned the source’s identity but typically does not name informants to preserve their safety.”

That’s probably plenty of identification for a Russian assassin.

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electrotek  May 18, 2018 • 8:46:53pm

LOL

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 8:54:47pm

re: #18 Dave In Austin

Here’s why I agree with this tactic:

Schossberg is a racist. Right now, racists and Nazis are acting out because they think they represent a majority, and especially represent a majority of those who control the country. We have to change that.

The first amendment clearly means we can’t lock them up. But they have to learn that they are not only not the majority, but that we are not going to let them get continue to act like racists, Nazis, and misogynists out in the open. And the way to do that is to show that not only are there more of us, but that we will not back down.

There is no other way to stop them that does not affect our rights as citizens.

This is not the same thing as going after someone for not liking pineapple on pizza. People like Schossberg are the types that if you give them an inch, they’re going to go for a mile. They have to be shamed as early as possible, and they have to be made to understand they will not be tolerated.

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geosherman  May 18, 2018 • 9:03:05pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 18, 2018 • 9:05:32pm

We were discussing this possibility earlier:

Facebook Post

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 18, 2018 • 9:10:30pm

BTW, my usual hog-defense gun is a .44 Magnum revolver that the NRA and its dupes claim I want to take away from myself. Uh, no.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:15:29pm

Geeez, the clips of Trump spliced in here give me the willies. He is a sick conman. Sick.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2018 • 9:17:38pm

re: #24 electrotek

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2018 • 9:22:01pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Gotta do it.

The B-52’s ” Lava ” ( Album Version )

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2018 • 9:25:02pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

Volcano

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:25:43pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 18, 2018 • 9:27:34pm

Feral hogs are extremely dangerous and destructive. All efforts at control appear to have failed and their numbers continue to grow. One big reason for this is that there are no apex predators left, cougars and wolves, who might be able to control the hogs. Coyotes and foxes can pick off the occasional piglet but it is very risky business for them and they will usually shy away unless they are starving. Amateur suburbanite hunters are not up to the job and they can be dangerous and destructive themselves. The state has recently authorized the use of poison, which I completely oppose for a number of reasons. The solution, horrible though it is, will probably involve extermination sweeps by professional hunters recruited, supervised and paid by the state.

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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2018 • 9:27:49pm
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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:29:13pm

re: #23 jaunte

That’s probably plenty of identification for a Russian assassin.

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 9:29:29pm

re: #23 jaunte

That’s probably plenty of identification for a Russian assassin.

And the Times had the person’s name. Being the fascist-curious paper of record, the Russians will have that name soon, if not already.

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2018 • 9:30:18pm

re: #29 JordanRules

Geeez, the clips of Trump spliced in here give me the willies. He is a sick conman. Sick.

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!!!

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:30:38pm
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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:33:45pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

!!!

And listen, all the GOPers in the video are effed up as shit but I got a really bad historical visceral reaction from Trump. Scary bad and evil.

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prairiefire  May 18, 2018 • 9:34:00pm

re: #39 JordanRules

patriarchy, shut the f- up! Body pile up, nothing to see here.

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Sea Mexican!  May 18, 2018 • 9:36:58pm

re: #18 Dave In Austin

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Now that’s a bridge too far!

At least get the mariachi to sing “Llorar y llorar”.

re: #25 Belafon

Here’s why I agree with this tactic:

Schossberg is a racist. Right now, racists and Nazis are acting out because they think they represent a majority, and especially represent a majority of those who control the country. We have to change that.

The first amendment clearly means we can’t lock them up. But they have to learn that they are not only not the majority, but that we are not going to let them get continue to act like racists, Nazis, and misogynists out in the open. And the way to do that is to show that not only are there more of us, but that we will not back down.

There is no other way to stop them that does not affect our rights as citizens.

This is not the same thing as going after someone for not liking pineapple on pizza. People like Schossberg are the types that if you give them an inch, they’re going to go for a mile. They have to be shamed as early as possible, and they have to be made to understand they will not be tolerated.

I’m normally not someone to look for confrontations, but it’s hard to justify with his actions.

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TedStriker  May 18, 2018 • 9:37:15pm

re: #13 jaunte

No one expects the X-rated Groot thread.

“Hot root-on-root action!”

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:48:53pm

re: #42 Sea Mexican!

Now that’s a bridge too far!

At least get the mariachi to sing “Llorar y llorar”.

I’m normally not someone to look for confrontations, but it’s hard to justify with his actions.

Honestly, I don’t even see it as a confrontation and damn sure not mob action. He had a protest party outside his house. There was art and music, there were people explaining latinx-American history. We should all be so lucky. Oh and he had hella protections. Other than that… he’s been questioned by the media, his private contracts and authority as an officer of the court challenged. All of that is within reason to protect the groups he targets and actively courted via his website. He’s also been ridiculed
online by his fellow citizens…which we know much of the press equates with genuine state oppression, but it’s not.

We cannot take ridicule and peaceful protest from the powerless. We cannot.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 9:49:01pm

I’ve cut my brother-in-law (my wife’s brother) off. I suspect my wife will cut him off as well as soon as she reads the same E-mails he sent today.

He sent me an E-mail about the Texas school shooting this evening. He lives five miles from the school, and knows a couple of the students killed (as he is a teacher in a different nearby school).

I don’t know what’s happened to him over the past year, but he’s gone completely round the bend on conservaderp. (Perhaps it has something to do with his quadruple bypass last year?)

Everything from magic balancefairyism (neither party represents the people) to the Clinton Foundation to “how dare liberals politicise this tragedy.”

After I got back a few minutes ago from lowering the village’s flags to half-staff (ordered by Donald Trump until sunset 22 May), I opened that pile of run-on derp and decided “that’s it. No more.”

——-

The Clinton Foundation is doing fine and donations to that organisation have not dried up.

I can’t help it if you’ve been taken in by propaganda. The tax filings for the Clinton Foundation are available to anyone who wants to see them.

charitynavigator.org

Unless you feel Charity Navigator is also part of some evil librul plot to hide “Clinton Crimes” ™.

There is a warning flag on their otherwise near-perfect score, because of multiple repeated political attacks on the organisation. Not financial issues, conservative propaganda.

You say “both sides are the same” and then only cite conservative examples of that.

The Clinton Foundation stuff was cooked up a discredited writer working for the Koch Brothers, Steve Bannon, and the Mercer family, promoted by the Mercer Family, then to the conservative network of “serious” blogs, then graduated to FOX News Channel where State Media incessantly hammered it.

It is propaganda, it is a lie, and this shows that even college education is not a defence against propaganda.

You’re partially right on one thing: Conservative politicians don’t work for the people. My own representative is on record saying he does not represent Democrats.

All the paedophiles in Congress arrested over the years? Oh yeah, conservatives. How about rape apologists such as Ken Starr (who for the Republicans spent millions investigating a consensual blow job)? Oh yeah, he no longer works for Baylor University in your state after covering up a string of rapes there.

Speaking of rape apologists, why are they always conservatives?

goprapeadvisorychart.com (a near endless collection of conservative rape apologetics).

And which party is it that worships at the altar of the gun? I’m sorry to hear of the school shooting today in Texas. That was only the first today. There was another later in New Jersey this afternoon outside a high school graduation. As a teacher I would think you’d be concerned about more children killed this year than in the military (including non-combat deaths). Which party is it that wants to do something about that?

theonion.com

“No Way to Prevent This Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens” (The Onion on the school shooting in your state. This is an evergreen article where they just change the photo, details, &c. Look at the bottom of the article for links to others precisely with the same headline. They have scores of this same article over the years. The point is to mock conservatism’s “thoughts and prayers” approach to mass slaughter.)

Who opposed the Agriculture Bill that passed the new conservative cruelty for school lunch programmes, food stamps, WIC, work requirements for the disabled, &c? Oh right, every last Democrat. All of them. Why did the bill fail? Because extreme conservatives in the House objected because the bill did not ban all immigration as well.

Who had student protestors at the US House today arrested because students are tired of being blood sacrifices for conservatives? House Speaker Paul Ryan did. Damn those I Amendment clauses of free association, free speech, and redress of grievances.

Which party is trying to ban Muslims? (More extreme ones are trying to ban atheists as well.)

It was George HW Bush who said while I was in the Navy that atheists cannot be patriotic and shouldn’t be citizens.

It was Trump who just appointed Bryan Fischer to his international religious freedom body. The Bryan Fischer who thinks my sister should be hanged for her sexual orientation and who’s group is listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Which party is it running a hate speech monger for Massachusetts governor (Scott Lively, author of Uganda’s “kill the gays” bill)?

Which television network has had a parade of people on saying the only way to solve our political issues is to kill liberals?

It is the Republican Party which running actual Nazis (members of the Traditionalist Workers Party) for a House seat in Illinois and Governor of California.

Hey Nebraska Governor Ricketts, you went through Broadwater today (twice) to Alliance and back to talk to Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue about loosening regulations on agricultural pesticides and try to get an exemption from Trump’s anti-NAFTA policies? Where’s our disaster declaration we requested last week? You directly saw the damage.

Which party is it again that is violating the Iran Accords and the Paris Climate Accords? Against teaching evolution or sex education? Against critical thinking (that was in the Texas GOP party platform)?

I’m sorry you missed out on Nixon sabotaging the Vietnam Peace Talks (which got my father killed), Reagan financing death squads in violation of Congress by selling weapons to a sanctioned nation (Iran) after he ratfucked Jimmy Carter’s negotiations to free the hostages there then laundering the money with drug selling.

I’m sorry you missed out on Gerald Ford’s Operation Condor to back military dictatorships in South America to prevent free and fair elections in many countries there including assassinating Bolivia’s president and political activists on the left (which was still going on when I was in Brazil). I’m sorry you missed out on Republicans supporting overthrowing elected governments in Chile, Honduras, and Iran so they could install dictators (or in Iran’s case, the Shah).

I’m sorry conservative pundits like William F. Buckley, Jr. supported Jim Crow and South Africa’s apartheid government on television and in his magazine.

I’m sorry it was Ronald Reagan who lifted sanctions against the apartheid regime in South Africa.

I’m sorry both Pat Roberson and Vice-President Mike Pence want to establish a theocracy in the nation.

If you are the victim of propaganda, I can’t help you other than provide you facts. All I can do is hope you help yourself.

There is a reason conservatism is often compared to a religion. It is impervious to facts when its claims are shown to be false. It drives out those who question it, and it kills those who oppose it.

Those are facts.

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austin_blue  May 18, 2018 • 9:50:20pm

re: #28 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

BTW, my usual hog-defense gun is a .44 Magnum revolver that the NRA and its dupes claim I want to take away from myself. Uh, no.

Feel lucky, Poink?

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 9:51:09pm

Oooo-k.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:52:44pm

re: #47 MsJ

Oooo-k.

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Oh myyy. Why’d they have to include that pic of ribs tho?!?? They worked on the pic placement too.
Shit.

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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2018 • 9:52:53pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 9:53:50pm

re: #47 MsJ

Oooo-k.

She’s just a LARP fan of the movie “Eating Raoul.” /s

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Single-handed sailor  May 18, 2018 • 9:53:54pm

“I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groot, I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groot, I’m Groot, I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groot, I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groot, I’m Groot, I’m Groot, I’m Groot, I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groooot!”

Porn is not known for it’s dialogue.

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VaughnIAM  May 18, 2018 • 9:55:12pm

re: #15 MsJ

The informant met Flynn in 2014 at a seminar. NYT reports the source was alarmed by Flynn’s apparent closeness with a Russian woman in attendance.

I wonder if that could have had anything to do with Flynn getting fired by President Obama in April 2014.
According to the article the seminar was in Feb. 2014.
Maybe the FBI was looking at Flynn a lot earlier than we knew.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:55:37pm

re: #50 Anymouse 🌹

She’s just a LARP fan of the movie “Eating Raoul.” /s

*spits out drink*

LOL! I wasn’t ready.

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stpaulbear  May 18, 2018 • 10:03:12pm

re: #40 JordanRules

And listen, all the GOPers in the video are effed up as shit but I got a really bad historical visceral reaction from Trump. Scary bad and evil.

Cruz is more slick and less demented than Trump in those clips, but they both come off as equal gun fuckers. That video is brutal and I’m glad Kimmel’s staff put this together. I wish McConnell and Ryan would have been hit harder.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 10:04:06pm

re: #51 Single-handed sailor

“I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groot, I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groot, I’m Groot, I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groot, I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groot, I’m Groot, I’m Groot, I’m Groot, I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groooot!”

Porn is not known for it’s dialogue.

Movies, not so much (though there are actresses who are in Mensa).

There are very good erotic Romance novels though with real plots, dialogue, &c. If you like I can hook you up. You can even buy some of the novels I’ve edited through Mr. Johnson’s Amazon link here to help support this home for wayward political junkies.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 10:06:22pm
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austin_blue  May 18, 2018 • 10:11:16pm

re: #56 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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He’s one of the good guys in the NFL.

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teleskiguy  May 18, 2018 • 10:17:18pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  May 18, 2018 • 10:19:40pm

re: #47 MsJ

Oooo-k.

Okay.

I have to confess…

I am curious what recipe she used.

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austin_blue  May 18, 2018 • 10:20:28pm

re: #59 The Ghost of a Flea

Okay.

I have to confess…

I am curious what recipe she used.

A dry rub out, heavily smoked.

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 10:20:48pm

re: #59 The Ghost of a Flea

Okay.

I have to confess…

I am curious what recipe she used.

Of course you are.

😂🤣😂

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2018 • 10:20:56pm

re: #56 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Fucked up. Wish his $ could go to action, rather than the end result.

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2018 • 10:23:52pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea

I love him and his generosity and good faith but…

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Ace-o-aces  May 18, 2018 • 10:26:02pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 10:26:57pm

May 19 (half an hour away for me) is a flag observance, Armed Forces Day.

The day is set aside in law as an observance for those who serve on active duty and in the reserve components.

Instead, the flag is at half-mast in remembrance of the victims of yet another school mass-murder.

It sickens me to lower the flags in town for these. A half-masted flag will not bring a student or teacher back. The overwhelming majority of the public will not even wonder why the flag is at half-mast. A good chunk of businesses won’t even bother to lower the flag.

The flag I want lowered is the NRA’s, and replaced with a white flag of surrender.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 18, 2018 • 10:30:39pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

In this day and age, a funeral is the sort of thing that can mess people up financially, and the decision-making process for all the detail—some adults do at least some of the planning for their death rituals, but kids have nothing laid out ahead of time…no plot, no casket, et cetera—are devastating. All the more devastating because the funeral service biz is full of predatory upselling and emotional manipulation.

Stripping fear about money and the pressure to make the “right” choices is an incredibly thoughtful thing to do for people who have had the rug pulled out from under them so completely.

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austin_blue  May 18, 2018 • 10:34:45pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea

Fucked up. Wish his $ could go to action, rather than the end result.

Wow. I think that’s hideously unfair.

He’s helping a local community.

He’s relieving a huge financial burden on a rural community, and how many of those parents had insurance policies to cover the $10-15,000 cost of burying their high school children so cruelly cut down?

We have no idea how much money he has given to the local candidates in the upcoming elections who support reasonable gun control. Could be nothing, could be a lot.

That was a really harsh comment. This was a guy who raised millions of dollars for local Hurricane relief.

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prairiefire  May 18, 2018 • 10:36:26pm

re: #66 The Ghost of a Flea

So thoughtful, of course. tears.

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prairiefire  May 18, 2018 • 10:36:58pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea

Baked bread.

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wheat-dogg  May 18, 2018 • 10:42:03pm

I like watching this guy’s videos, because he manages to boil down complex issues into an easy-to-follow 15-minute precis. Here he takes on the possible US-China trade war, which he concludes would be bad … for the USA.

USA vs China: Trade War? - VisualPolitik EN

Simon Whistler also has few good words to say about Donald Trump, generally speaking.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 10:45:55pm

re: #67 austin_blue

Wow. I think that’s hideously unfair.

He’s helping a local community.

He’s relieving huge financial burden on a rural community, and how many of those parents had insurance policies to cover the $10-15,000 cost of burying their high school children so cruelly cut down?

We have no idea how much money he has given to the local candidates in the upcoming elections who support reasonable gun control. Could be nothing, could be a lot.

That was a really harsh comment. This was a guy who raised millions of dollars for local Hurricane relief.

I can easily see how her comments were interpreted that way. I don’t think it was meant as such.
It is messed up that the resources have to go here. Same with GoFundMe for everyone’s healthcare. It shouldn’t be like this.
You make great points about the big picture and I certainly understand all the reactions here.

re: #66 The Ghost of a Flea

Very nicely laid out. A lot of this is so foreign, as you said (the natural order), that much of it gets missed even to those not directly impacted.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 10:49:04pm

The rest of the world is coming to the point where they will take matters into their own hands when it comes to Trump.

I’ve been predicting that the dollar will be dumped as the reserve currency and now seeing that the Council of Europe is invoking reciprocity actions against Trump I’m convinced that the dumping of the dollar will be coming very soon.

The next step will be the rest of the world refusing to buy Treasury securities to finance our out of control deficit.

As Bette said…

Fasten Your Seatbelts

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freetoken  May 18, 2018 • 10:49:17pm

The other night the topic of Batman came up…

Well, here is what that character was in 1943, complete with war propaganda:

Batman (1943 Serial) The Electrical Brain - Chapter 1

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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2018 • 10:51:03pm

re: #51 Single-handed sailor

“I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groot, I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groot, I’m Groot, I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groot, I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groot, I’m Groot, I’m Groot, I’m Groot, I’m Groot.”
“I’m Groooot!”

Porn is not known for it’s dialogue.

The only exception I can really think of is The Devil in Miss Jones - widely considered one of the best films from the Golden Age of Porn. Roger Ebert gave a three-star review and William Friedkin said it was one of the few porn flicks with a proper screenplay.

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freetoken  May 18, 2018 • 10:54:25pm

re: #70 wheat-dogg

The presenter gives Trump too much credit. Trump is protectionist exactly for getting votes. There are no other reasons, because Trump doesn’t reason.

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wheat-dogg  May 18, 2018 • 11:00:58pm

re: #75 freetoken

The presenter gives Trump too much credit. Trump is protectionist exactly for getting votes. There are no other reasons, because Trump doesn’t reason.

I agree. There is no forethought to any of Trump’s pronouncements. He’s just very good at hitting his base’s favorite buttons.

Simon W. has analyzed the Trump administration’s attitudes toward Latin America, and his takeaway is this administration only makes demands and offers nothing in return. The master of the deal (cough, cough) offers nothing from our side — he only dictates terms and expects the other side to cave.

Instead, Latin America is doing business with China, because why not?

[Doing business with China does have disadvantages, too. Like Trump, China often ignores its agreements and then does whatever it damn well pleases.]

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 11:01:23pm
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Single-handed sailor  May 18, 2018 • 11:09:01pm

re: #77 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s actually easier to get a AR-15. To rent the bike you at least have to have a good credit card.

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freetoken  May 18, 2018 • 11:20:01pm

America, specifically Arizona, 2018 atavism alert:

Arizona could roll back teaching of evolution in classroom

Teachers say they were shocked when the words “evolution” and “evolve” were crossed out of their draft of K-12 science standards, which was released in March.

The teaching of evolution in Arizona classrooms could be taking a big step backwards.

School Superintendent Diane Douglas is apparently behind a rewrite of science standards for all Arizona school children that would delete references to evolution.

Audio obtained by 12 News shows Douglas believes a version of creationism, called “intelligent design,” should be taught in tandem with evolution.

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austin_blue  May 18, 2018 • 11:20:27pm

re: #77 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Embedded content]

A Chicago art exhibit lined with replicas of AR-15 rifles is structured to make it look as though getting a weapon is as easy as renting a bike cnn.it
1:00 AM - May 19, 2018

That’s because it is. Every quarter or so, until 2014, there was a gun show in town called the Saxet Gun Show (Texas backwards, get it?). Travis County wanted them to institute background checks before weapons sales. The show’s presenters were argle bargle 2A rights, &c, &c. So Travis County said “Get lost.”

They moved down to Dripping Springs in Hays County immediately south of us, and the show is now annual. They say that only 10-15% of sales don’t include background checks, but private sales in the parking lot are uncontrolled.

So if you want to buy a semi- or full-auto rifle, just come to a Saxet show and look for for sellers in the parking lot. Bring cash. No questions asked.

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freetoken  May 18, 2018 • 11:24:57pm

Someone doesn’t know the lexicon very well, and that never helps:

Non-secular nature of public schools’ must be preserved

[…]

The rest of us must go to the polls and preserve the non-secular nature of our public schools statewide.

[…]

I admire the writer’s attempt to bring up the issue of religious groups influence Florida schools, but of course she meant non-sectarian.

It doesn’t help to write a letter and not do it well.

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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2018 • 11:26:05pm

re: #80 austin_blue

So if you want to buy a semi- or full-auto rifle, just come to a Saxet show and look for for sellers in the parking lot. Bring cash. No questions asked.

That’s something many of my Czech students - including those who have a firearms/concealed carry license - find absolutely shocking. It’s difficult for them to wrap their minds around it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 11:37:33pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

Damn! It’s been a while since Charles has posted a comic book cover from his wooden box full of old comic books from Hawaii that he cracked open some years ago.

I send them to a buddy of mine, a classic comics fan, he prints them out and several of them adorn his wall.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 11:38:57pm

re: #18 Dave In Austin

This is hysterical-there is a block protest party outside of Aaron Schossberg’s condo and there is a mariachi band playing La Cucaracha

This is what hateful, intolerant liberalism looks like. No wonder they have driven so many into the basket of deploracy.

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austin_blue  May 18, 2018 • 11:39:11pm

re: #82 Dr Lizardo

That’s something many of my Czech students - including those who have a firearms/concealed carry license - find absolutely shocking. It’s difficult for them to wrap their minds around it.

It’s just as stupid as stupid can be, isn’t it? But it is, really, pure capitalism. Buyers need sellers and sellers need buyers. It’s the ultimate Free Market, and Katie Bar The Door. No rules, no limits, and this is American Gun Culture, in parking lots across the land. And if the buyers are domestic terrorists, that’s just okey dokey.

And it’s maintained by the NRA, which is now simply a lobbying arm for gun makers, which, in the last couple of years, has had a huge influx of Russian money, which paid for dRumpf campaign support, illegally.

Whee!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 11:40:58pm

re: #25 Belafon

Schossberg is a racist. Right now, racists and Nazis are acting out because they think they represent a majority, and especially represent a majority of those who control the country. We have to change that.

And our “good people on both sides” wants us to think that White Supremacism and Fascism are somehow acceptable points on the spectrum of political opinion instead of calling them out for what they are: Anathema to all our American values.

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austin_blue  May 18, 2018 • 11:41:52pm

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And our “good people on both sides” wants us to think that White Supremacism and Fascism are somehow acceptable points on the spectrum of political opinion instead of calling them out for what they are: Anathema to all our American values.

Yup. Nothing to see here…

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freetoken  May 18, 2018 • 11:44:46pm

So the updated Cosmos is getting a second season, which is causing angst in certain circles.

The trailer, for those who haven’t seen it yet:

COSMOS: POSSIBLE WORLDS | Official Trailer | FOX BROADCASTING

Putting on my curmudgeon hat - the series will be science-light. Mostly the episodes are about wow-factors like impressive animations.

Story-wise, Cosmos will be about myth-making in the modern sense, of writing a new (and progressive, hence the angst) agenda for humanity in light of all we have learned.

Fundamentalists will, correctly, perceive it as an attack on fundamentalist beliefs (of whatever variety.) Cosmos as Sagan had it was itself a very progressive show by nature, and the latest installment picks up on that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 11:45:30pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

JUST IN: Lawyer who threatened to call ICE on Spanish-speakers gets kicked out of office space ]

Must be an opening for him at Fox or newsmax

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 11:47:23pm

re: #65 Anymouse 🌹

May 19 (half an hour away for me) is a flag observance, Armed Forces Day.

The day is set aside in law as an observance for those who serve on active duty and in the reserve components.

Instead, the flag is at half-mast in remembrance of the victims of yet another school mass-murder.

I guess you caught that we have lost more school students to shootings than active service military personnel this year.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 18, 2018 • 11:59:46pm

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austin_blue  May 19, 2018 • 12:09:56am

I’m out, night all, sweet scaly dreams.

What a shit show we are living in. Children slaughtered in schools and the Pols offer platitudes instead of solutions because they are captives of the gun manufacturers that supply the means of slaughter.

It’s just ridiculous. We have the opportunity to vote every one of these Republican motherfuckers in the House out of office this fall, and we will probably fail miserably because they represent gerrymandered districts that contain like-minded spunk trumpets.

And in the morning, we will have to deal with another rage rant on Twitter by the POTUS from his toilet. Just imagine that sentence being written two short years ago.

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 12:12:01am

It’s three and a half days until the Grace Follow-On mission launch window:

gracefo.jpl.nasa.gov

Given that Trump’s new head of NASA is an AGW denier, I think it is both sad that the phrases like “anthropogenic climate change” etc., are missing from the latest version of the project website, but at the same time hilarious at how easily the scientists get around that by rearranging words to have the same meaning, e.g.

“Monitoring changes in ice sheets and glaciers, underground water storage, the amount of water in large lakes and rivers, and changes in sea level provides a unique view of Earth’s climate and has far-reaching benefits for its people.”

Recent video put out by the Grace team on some discoveries of the first series of satellites:

For 15 Years, GRACE Tracked Freshwater Movements Around the World

News briefing from a couple of weeks ago:

Sneak Peek of NASA’s GRACE Twins (media briefing)

Promo for the new mission: Tracking Water from Space: The GRACE-FO Mission

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 12:22:57am

This screen-cap from the press briefing is neat - it shows some of what can be deduced from the changes in mass distribution on the planet:

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Lupin  May 19, 2018 • 12:28:27am

I’m too lazy to make scans but has any comics fan noticed that the somewhat ham-fisted dialogue that Stan Lee put into the mouth of the Hate-Monger in FF (#26 was it?) or the Red Skull in CAP #103 or #104, or the Sons of the Serpent in an Avengers (around #30?) has today become mainstream political dialogue.

Look at it: yesterday, these were simplistic comic-book villains; today, they’re on CNN.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2018 • 12:32:28am

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And our “good people on both sides” wants us to think that White Supremacism and Fascism are somehow acceptable points on the spectrum of political opinion instead of calling them out for what they are: Anathema to all our American values.

We fought a war over this. The whole world was involved.

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JordanRules  May 19, 2018 • 12:34:45am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2018 • 12:34:56am

re: #92 austin_blue

I’m out, night all, sweet scaly dreams.

What a shit show we are living in. Children slaughtered in schools and the Pols offer platitudes instead of solutions because they are captives of the gun manufacturers that supply the means of slaughter.

It’s just ridiculous. We have the opportunity to vote every one of these Republican motherfuckers in the House out of office this fall, and we will probably fail miserably because they represent gerrymandered districts that contain like-minded spunk trumpets.

And in the morning, we will have to deal with another rage rant on Twitter by the POTUS from his toilet. Just imagine that sentence being written two short years ago.

Gerrymandering only works when there is low turnout. When there is high turnout, the gerrymanders backfire (see Rick Saccone).

The key is getting the damn magic balancefairyists off their butts and to the polls.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 12:35:06am

re: #96 Anymouse 🌹

We fought a war over this. The whole world was involved.

and we are supposed to be tolerant of their views

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JordanRules  May 19, 2018 • 12:43:01am
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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 12:50:06am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and we are supposed to be tolerant of their views

I’m still reading The Wages of Destruction, about the economics of the Nazi Regime. Until now, I had not learned of the Reich’s Hunger Plan, which was to systematically starve every non-Aryan in the occupied territories to death, both to provide more rations to Germans and to open up those lands for German resettlement. It was slow-motion genocide, and official Nazi policy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 12:56:56am

re: #101 wheat-dogg

I’m still reading The Wages of Destruction, about the economics of the Nazi Regime. Until now, I had not learned of the Reich’s Hunger Plan, which was to systematically starve every non-Aryan in the occupied territories to death, both to provide more rations to Germans and to open up those lands for German resettlement. It was slow-motion genocide, and official Nazi policy.

I think a lot of Germans took Hitler’s words on racial superiority as mere rhetoric and did not understand that he meant to reflect those views by applying the most inhumane policies.

Sound familiar?

The other aspect about the war I just had explained to me was oil: in 1940, the world’s biggest oil producers were the USA, Venezuela and Russia. The Middle East was just starting to produce oil and means for transporting or refining it were limited.

Once shipments of oil from the USA and Venezuela were cut off, the only option remaining was to seize the Soviet oil fields, without which Germany could not continue to survive economically, much less equip and fight a mechanized war.

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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 1:09:17am

re: #102 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think a lot of Germans took Hitler’s words on racial superiority as mere rhetoric and did not understand that he meant to reflect those views by applying the most inhumane policies.

The other aspect about the war I just had explained to me was oil: in 1940, the world’s biggest oil producers were the USA, Venezuela and Russia. The Middle East was just starting to produce oil and means for transporting or refining it were limited.

Once shipments of oil from the USA and Venezuela were cut off, the only option remaining was to seize the Soviet oil fields, without which Germany could not continue to survive economically, much less equip and fight a mechanized war.

The Reich did have some Romanian oil imports, but these were insufficient for the needs of the military and civilian population. Hitler saw the USSR as a source of desperately needed raw materials, but attacking the Soviets was a dangerous gamble. If he had succeeded, the Nazis could have kept their war going years longer. In fact, Hitler nearly exhausted the Reich’s meager reserves and supplies of raw materials with the Eastern War.

A third option, which would have entailed working with the Soviets to obtain the necessary supplies peaceably, was apparently never seriously considered. Hitler and his cronies believed Slavs were inferior people, and Communism a “Jewish menace.” To stoop so low as to ask the USSR for aid was politically and ideologically impossible. Basically, it became a political, ideological and economic necessity for Germany to invade the Soviet Union, even if it was doomed to fail.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 1:12:12am

re: #103 wheat-dogg

the point was that it was all a big crap-shoot: either seize the oil or go down fighting.

battle of the bulge was that on a small scale: the entire success of offensive posited capturing enemy fuel supplies first in Spa, then in Liege.

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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 1:16:24am

re: #104 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the point was that it was all a big crap-shoot: either seize the oil or go down fighting.

battle of the bulge was that on a small scale: the entire success of offensive posited capturing enemy fuel supplies first in Spa, then in Liege.

Looking back, there were so many little things that could have gone horribly wrong for the Allies and horribly right for the Reich.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 1:23:04am

re: #105 wheat-dogg

Looking back, there were so many little things that could have gone horribly wrong for the Allies and horribly right for the Reich.

two wrongs don’t make a Reich

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JordanRules  May 19, 2018 • 1:34:27am

re: #106 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

two wrongs don’t make a Reich

*giggle*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 1:35:31am

re: #107 JordanRules

*giggle*

that quote comes from Liddel-Hart’s History of the First World War

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 2:30:30am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2018 • 3:35:05am
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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 3:45:16am

I’m beginning to see some serious price rises in things I buy. Especially on Amazon, but also in stores.

Just did an Amazon order for some stuff and noticed the prices are a few dollars higher than when I previous have ordered same items last year. This comes after Amazon announced a 20% increase in annual Prime membership fee.

I fear that Trumpism, coming on the heels of an 8 year slow recovery, is going to go straight into serious inflation, with the Treasury having to issue debt on a huge annual deficit (because of the tax cuts) at ever higher interest rates… meaning in years to come the national debt will be tragically high.

The horrors of Trump and a malicious Republican party will be felt for generations.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 3:58:57am

re: #111 freetoken

I’m beginning to see some serious price rises in things I buy. Especially on Amazon, but also in stores.

Just did an Amazon order for some stuff and noticed the prices are a few dollars higher than when I previous have ordered same items last year. This comes after Amazon announced a 20% increase in annual Prime membership fee.

I fear that Trumpism, coming on the heels of an 8 year slow recovery, is going to go straight into serious inflation, with the Treasury having to issue debt on a huge annual deficit (because of the tax cuts) at ever higher interest rates… meaning in years to come the national debt will be tragically high.

The horrors of Trump and a malicious Republican party will be felt for generations.

Just paid €1.47 per liter for premium gasoline…Ouch! That comes to $6.47 per gallon at today’s exchange rate…

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PhillyPretzel  May 19, 2018 • 4:00:15am

::: watching Harry and Meghan get married :::

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 4:00:36am

re: #111 freetoken

I fear that Trumpism, coming on the heels of an 8 year slow recovery, is going to go straight into serious inflation, with the Treasury having to issue debt on a huge annual deficit (because of the tax cuts) at ever higher interest rates… meaning in years to come the national debt will be tragically high.

The horrors of Trump and a malicious Republican party will be felt for generations.

And although employment is way up, wages are stagnating, also a bad sign. And once Europe and the world abandon the Dollar as the standard reserve and oil-purchasing currency, we will no longer be able to finance our deficits through selling Treasury bonds.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2018 • 4:02:22am

re: #113 PhillyPretzel

::: watching Harry and Meghan get married :::

Interesting tidbit I just read:

Harry’s titles will be His Royal Highness The Duke of Sussex, Earl of Dumbarton and Baron Kilkeel. Once married, Meghan will be known as Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Sussex. She will be the first person to hold that title.

The only previous person to hold the title of Duke of Sussex was an anti-slavery campaigner and supporter of rights for Catholics and Jews, according to the Royal Collection. Prince Augustus Frederick, son of George III and Queen Charlotte, gained the title in 1801.

kshb.com

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William Lewis  May 19, 2018 • 4:03:03am

re: #82 Dr Lizardo

That’s something many of my Czech students - including those who have a firearms/concealed carry license - find absolutely shocking. It’s difficult for them to wrap their minds around it.

I so want to duplicate Czech gun laws here. We could make getting a gun so much more appropriately difficult yet still have a thriving gun culture the same as the citizens of the Czech Republic. Recognize that all adults are implicitly the militia and that it needs to be properly regulated by training and licensing to prove the training.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 4:03:03am

re: #113 PhillyPretzel

::: watching Harry and Meghan get married :::

If nothing else, it certainly is history.

That a member of the British Royal Family - a Prince of the House of Windsor, no less - would be marrying a mixed-race American divorceé is something that would’ve been entirely unthinkable as little as 30 years ago.

All the best to the happy couple.

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JordanRules  May 19, 2018 • 4:03:28am

re: #113 PhillyPretzel

::: watching Harry and Meghan get married :::

Me too!!!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 4:04:19am

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

If nothing else, it certainly is history.

That a member of the British Royal Family - a Prince of the House of Windsor, no less - would be marrying a mixed-race American divorceé is something that would’ve been entirely unthinkable as little as 30 years ago.

All the best to the happy couple.

I wish them success, after all, they are a young couple starting out in the world facing the same challenges as young people everywhere…

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 4:06:03am

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I wish them success, after all, they are a young couple starting out in the world facing the same challenges as young people everywhere…

LOL fair enough, but I still wish them the best, regardless.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 4:08:45am

Ghost has a new single out - and I gotta say, it’s pretty fucking good!

Ghost - Dance Macabre (Instagram Story Music Video)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 4:11:38am

re: #120 Dr Lizardo

LOL fair enough, but I still wish them the best, regardless.

I have no malice toward them, but really, why don’t they just privatise the Royal Family and let them live by selling off their notoriety just like any other celebrity clan? Then they would cot the taxpayers there nothing and still bring in a ton of tourist revenue.

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PhillyPretzel  May 19, 2018 • 4:26:20am

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

From Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 4:28:54am

Closeted bigotry has really been smoked out by this marriage.

I hear people saying she’s not good enough for him, that she’ll be trouble, etc.

I wonder why?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 4:29:36am

re: #124 freetoken

Closeted bigotry has really been smoked out by this marriage.

I hear people saying she’s not good enough for him, that she’ll be trouble, etc.

I wonder why?

for the same reason that Obama was “nothing but trouble” for America

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2018 • 4:33:57am
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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 4:34:22am

re: #124 freetoken

Closeted bigotry has really been smoked out by this marriage.

I hear people saying she’s not good enough for him, that she’ll be trouble, etc.

I wonder why?

Oh yeah, definitely. Lot of thinly-veiled bigoted comments on the British tabloid sites.

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PhillyPretzel  May 19, 2018 • 4:35:51am

re: #124 freetoken

To all of those who talk about White Power and that rest of that crap, The Royal Family is slapping you in the face.

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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 4:36:02am

re: #124 freetoken

Closeted bigotry has really been smoked out by this marriage.

I hear people saying she’s not good enough for him, that she’ll be trouble, etc.

I wonder why?

I was watching some of the BBC coverage before the ceremony began. They interviewed two young people from a London FM radio station, Reprezent. Both were PoC, and the young man said Harry and Meghan represent their age group’s attitudes toward race. They are the “new royalty,” he said, and stand for the new Britain, one that is multicultural and inclusive. Unstated, but certainly implied in his remarks was the message that “old Britain” had damn well better get used to it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 4:37:43am

re: #129 wheat-dogg

Unstated, but certainly implied in his remarks was the message that “old Britain” had damn well better get used to it.

“Old Britain” is is still there and responsible for Brexit and deporting Windrush emigres.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2018 • 4:39:45am
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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 4:40:19am

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Old Britain” is is still there and responsible for Brexit and deporting Windrush emigres.

Sadly, yes. It will also be some time before Harry’s brother ascends to the throne, and others of their generation take over Labour and the Tories.

See also, the USA.

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William Lewis  May 19, 2018 • 4:40:59am

re: #128 PhillyPretzel

To all of those who talk about White Power and that rest of that crap, The Royal Family is slapping you in the face.

And the happy pair today slapped the anti-LGBT people by asking Presiding Bishop Curry to give the sermon today too. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2018 • 4:41:38am

re: #128 PhillyPretzel

To all of those who talk about White Power and that rest of that crap, The Royal Family is slapping you in the face.

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William Lewis  May 19, 2018 • 4:41:54am

Off to work, 7 to 3 today, thrill. Later lizards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2018 • 4:42:40am
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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 4:42:54am

So now the man of God (allegedly) has declared them man and wife.

But the news reports and Wikipedia had Harry and Meghan as the Duke and Duchess of Sussex a couple of hours ago. So the titles came before the Church’s official declaration??

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 4:43:29am

re: #128 PhillyPretzel

re: #129 wheat-dogg

re: #133 William Lewis

You’re God damn right.

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I cannot.  May 19, 2018 • 4:44:01am

re: #124 freetoken

(Worf voice) A good woman is trouble. (/Worf voice)

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JordanRules  May 19, 2018 • 4:44:15am

Wow. Wow.

There is no way I could have prepared for this much African-American religious tradition to be approved and displayed. I am stunned.

Slavery invoked. King invoked. A black choir singing Stand By Me.

I am not religious at all. But much of my black family is and I grew up in this.

I am stunned.

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PhillyPretzel  May 19, 2018 • 4:45:13am

re: #137 freetoken

I believe the Queen gives the titles before the marriage.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 4:46:15am

re: #140 JordanRules

Wow. Wow.

There is no way I could have prepared for this much African-American religious tradition to be approved and displayed. I am stunned.

Slavery invoked. King invoked. A black choir singing Stand By Me.

I am not religious at all. But much of my black family is and I grew up in this.

I am stunned.

They invited him over from the ‘States, also because he represents a branch of the Anglican church that has no problem with LGBT ministers, so I am not too shocked.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 4:46:26am

Mark Hamill calls it.

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 4:46:42am

re: #141 PhillyPretzel

Duke of Sussex is a second place prize, but not bad in the scheme of things I guess.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2018 • 4:47:38am
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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 4:48:19am

re: #144 freetoken

Duke of Sussex is a second place prize, but not bad in the scheme of things I guess.

I read elsewhere that particular title hasn’t been used in quite a long time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2018 • 4:48:45am
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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 4:49:52am

re: #146 Dr Lizardo

Wikipedia tells me that Harry is only the second one to carry the title.

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JordanRules  May 19, 2018 • 4:50:25am

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They invited him over from the ‘States, also because he represented a branch of the Anglican church that has no problem with LGBT ministers, so I am not too shocked.

That doesn’t quite align with what I was saying. I already knew about Rev. Curry from Chitown and what it symbolised for the LGBTQ community. I was prepared and happy about that.

The black church was undoubtedly in there and I don’t think anyone expected that. Still stunned.

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 4:52:50am

Harry is the 5th Great grand nephew of the first Duke of Sussex, it appears.

Harry could be the last such Duke too, depending on how the future of the British monarchy goes.

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JordanRules  May 19, 2018 • 4:54:34am

So many norms shattered. My word!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2018 • 4:55:03am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 4:55:30am

re: #149 JordanRules

That doesn’t quite align with what I was saying. I already knew about Rev. Curry from Chitown and what it symbolised for the LGBTQ community. I was prepared and happy about that.

The black church was undoubtedly in there and I don’t think anyone expected that. Still stunned.

he is from frigging Chicago, that says a lot about his connections to the Black community and black culture and heritage.

And what the heck, Percy Sledge is as much of the world’s musical heritage as Handel or Mozart.

I am nonetheless amused to hear that doing it this way.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 4:56:11am

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

Theresa May is sitting in the garden listening to the #RoyalWedding while drinking rosé muttering that she didn’t want to be invited anyway..

Trump is sure glad he gets to stay in and eat cheeseburgers

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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 4:58:08am

It was intended to not be a state wedding, so heads of state were not invited. Avoids the entire Trump/May issues.

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jeffreyw  May 19, 2018 • 4:58:57am

Imgur


Good morning!

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 4:59:09am

Buffering issues with the Guardian stream…

Anyway, I notice there is some effort to delete the Wikipedia entry for Markle’s mother: en.wikipedia.org

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 5:00:10am

re: #155 wheat-dogg

Yup, it’s a family wedding. As Harry is now the backup to the backup of the backup to the crown, he’s really never going to sit on the throne.

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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 5:01:20am

re: #158 freetoken

Yup, it’s a family wedding. As Harry is now the backup to the backup of the backup to the crown, he’s really never going to sit on the throne.

Maybe he’ll sneak a sit once in a while when no one’s about.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 5:01:47am

re: #158 freetoken

Yup, it’s a family wedding. As Harry is now the backup to the backup of the backup to the crown, he’s really never going to sit on the throne.

Barring some awful catastrophe.

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 5:02:29am

re: #160 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Barring some awful catastrophe.

His grandmother, his father, his brother, and his nephew would all have to perish first.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 5:02:45am

re: #159 wheat-dogg

Maybe he’ll sneak a sit once in a while when no one’s about.

I know I would if I were in his position. Maybe recite a little something from ‘Richard III’, followed by a hearty supervillain laugh

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 5:04:17am

re: #161 freetoken

His grandmother, his father, his brother, and his nephew would all have to perish first.

perish the thought

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HappyWarrior  May 19, 2018 • 5:04:32am

re: #161 freetoken

His grandmother, his father, his brother, and his nephew would all have to perish first.

I think his niece is ahead of him too right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2018 • 5:06:30am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

I think his niece is ahead of him too right.

and another nephew, now.

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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 5:06:44am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

I think his niece is ahead of him too right.

He’s sixth in line to the throne, per Wikipedia.
en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  May 19, 2018 • 5:07:17am

re: #166 wheat-dogg

He’s sixth in line to the throne, per Wikipedia.

Yep long way to go.

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 5:08:29am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

I think his niece is ahead of him too right.

Yeah, forgot about her.

The youngest boy is just a month old. I do not believe infants are eligible to be crowned.

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JordanRules  May 19, 2018 • 5:08:47am

And now “This Little Light of Mine”. Black choir style.
Wow.
This is crazy!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2018 • 5:09:37am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 5:25:26am

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

Certainly not the kind of “fetch” i would have in mind

Our neighbors had a big German shepherd named Heidi who would fetch bricks. I recall that her canines were worn down to stumps from it.

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 5:31:01am

Trump can never be liked this much (except in his rabid fantasies):

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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 5:36:19am

LOL. BBC commentators referring to 24°C as “scorching.” (75°F)

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 5:38:58am

Sweet little vacation home…

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 5:40:56am

I’m sure the title comes with income-producing property, so Harry and Meghan will never be hurting for anything. Still, one can hope they have a happy life. Given both of their pasts, I suspect both will continue as activists in one way or another.

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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 5:52:42am

re: #175 freetoken

I’m sure the title comes with income-producing property, so Harry and Meghan will never be hurting for anything. Still, one can hope they have a happy life. Given both of their pasts, I suspect both will continue as activists in one way or another.

I’m curious about the property aspect, and am poking the Intertubes for information. The previous Duke of Sussex would have collected rents, but so far I haven’t found any indication the current Duke and Duchess will.

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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 5:55:37am

Apparently, the ducal title brings no rental income.

Any titles given to Harry and Meghan are likely to be little more than that. William and Kate were each given three titles but none of them came with land or powers.

Though there are currently six royal dukes in the UK, there are only two royal duchies, or territories associated with a dukedom.

Ms Hume says: “There is the Duchy of Cornwall, which belongs to the Prince of Wales, and the Duchy of Lancaster, which belongs to the Queen.

“Those do have private estates attached to them and the Queen and Prince of Wales derive an income from them but those are the only ones.”

news.zedid.com

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Unshaken Defiance  May 19, 2018 • 5:55:55am

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Throw it again!”

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JordanRules  May 19, 2018 • 6:03:18am
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The Major  May 19, 2018 • 6:03:22am

re: #66 The Ghost of a Flea

Stripping fear about money and the pressure to make the “right” choices is an incredibly thoughtful thing to do for people who have had the rug pulled out from under them so completely.

My mother took out a $7,000 policy even at her age to cover those costs when the time comes.

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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 6:07:45am

It seems the largest property owner in the UK is Prince Charles, Duke of Cornwall. I assume, aside from the Queen, that is.

Charles’ ducal holdings comprise 135,000 acres.

whoownsengland.org

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 6:08:06am

re: #177 wheat-dogg

Well, maybe the new couple will have to get by on Harry’s military pension and any royalties Meghan gets from her acting career.

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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 6:09:13am

re: #182 freetoken

Well, maybe the new couple will have to get by on Harry’s military pension and any royalties Meghan gets from her acting career.

They’ll have to muddle through, like any other young couple.
//

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austin_blue  May 19, 2018 • 6:12:34am

re: #158 freetoken

Yup, it’s a family wedding. As Harry is now the backup to the backup of the backup to the crown, he’s really never going to sit on the throne.

Harry’s #6 in line. Charles, William, his three kids, and Harry.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 6:16:38am

re: #184 austin_blue

One of the reasons that Diana was so loved is that she provided the Empire with two viable male heirs to the throne. Recall all the problems and tribulations that Britain has had over issues of succession over past centuries.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 6:21:02am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One of the reasons that Diana was so loved is that she provided the Empire with two viable male heirs to the throne. Recall all the problems and tribulations that Britain has had over issues of succession over past centuries.

True enough.

This particular marriage is remarkable in that not all that long ago, historically speaking, Edward VIII wanted to marry an American divorceé and we all know how that ended. Granted, he was King, but I can’t help but think that a marriage such as the one between Harry and Megan would’ve been impossible 30 years ago.

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 6:21:33am

re: #183 wheat-dogg

I don’t really know how the royal family makes money other than salaries from their other occupations (in Harry’s case the military.) The duchies apparently are not really at the discretion of the royal family, though of course they have the privilege of using their lands for their own pleasure.

IOW, I don’t think Charles can take, say, a few million dollars from his duchy and invest in something else. It’s ownership only in the sense of exclusive use.

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MsJ  May 19, 2018 • 6:23:03am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 6:24:35am

Again, the Windsors should be privatised: British Royal plc. Then they could license products, charge for ribbon-cuttings and supermarket openings, and of course, sell tickets to royal weddings. They would then cost the taxpayers nothing and still bring in a ton of tourist revenue.

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austin_blue  May 19, 2018 • 6:25:01am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One of the reasons that Diana was so loved is that she provided the Empire with two viable male heirs to the throne. Recall all the problems and tribulations that Britain has had over issues of succession over past centuries.

Yes, “an heir and a spare”.

And she gave Harry and Wills actual chins, which the Windsors/Saxe Coburg Gothans have lacked since 1735. Bonus!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 6:28:53am

re: #190 austin_blue

Yes, “an heir and a spare”.

And she gave Harry and Wills actual chins, which the Windsors/Saxe Coburg Gothans have lacked since 1735. Bonus!

as opposed to the Hapsburgs, who had too much chin

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 6:29:56am

re: #191 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

as opposed to the Hapsburgs, who had too much chin

The Hapsburgs were all chin.

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 6:31:00am

re: #188 MsJ

Even in the Guardian’s article, here is the caption above the picture of the Clooneys:

Amal Clooney and husband
The international human rights lawyer arrived wearing a bright yellow Stella McCartney dress. And her husband was there with her.

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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 6:31:24am

re: #187 freetoken

I don’t really know how the royal family makes money other than salaries from their other occupations (in Harry’s case the military.) The duchies apparently are not really at the discretion of the royal family, though of course they have the privilege of using their lands for their own pleasure.

IOW, I don’t think Charles can take, say, a few million dollars from his duchy and invest in something else. It’s ownership only in the sense of exclusive use.

You’re right about that. The properties only nominally belong to the Crown. Most are held in trust by the government. So, while Charles can earn income from his duchy, he can’t just sell off a chunk of it for quick profits.

Wikipedia has a concise accounting of the royal income.
en.wikipedia.org

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JordanRules  May 19, 2018 • 6:32:23am
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MsJ  May 19, 2018 • 6:33:51am
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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 6:34:08am

re: #194 wheat-dogg

From the description, it doesn’t even sound like Charles gets to say how the income money is spent.

Sure, all his needs are taken care of, but it sounds like he has little discretion on any other expenditures. I suppose he can order any breakfast he wants, have a tailor make any suit he wants, and have the royal AF fly him anywhere he wants. So I guess there is not much need for any income.

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MsJ  May 19, 2018 • 6:36:00am
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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 6:41:56am

re: #197 freetoken

From the description, it doesn’t even sound like Charles gets to say how the income money is spent.

Sure, all his needs are taken care of, but it sounds like he has little discretion on any other expenditures. I suppose he can order any breakfast he wants, have a tailor make any suit he wants, and have the royal AF fly him anywhere he wants. So I guess there is not much need for any income.

I could manage to be comfortable, were I in his position. But being an intern at age 69 would pretty much suck.

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MsJ  May 19, 2018 • 6:43:03am
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ObserverArt  May 19, 2018 • 6:45:17am

I watched a bit of the wedding. And as nice as that was, I was struck at the contrasts between yesterday and today.

A tragic American ‘celebration’ of The Great American Gun yesterday.

A happy and hopeful Royal Wedding celebration in Great Britain.

Both covered thoroughly by our media.

This world.

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MsJ  May 19, 2018 • 6:46:16am

re: #201 ObserverArt

I watched a bit of the wedding. And as nice as that was, I was struck at the contrasts between yesterday and today.

A tragic American ‘celebration’ of The Great American Gun yesterday,

A happy and hopeful Royal Wedding celebration in Great Britain.

Both covered thoroughly by our media,

This world.

It’s nice, to me, to see goodness and happiness somewhere in the world.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 19, 2018 • 6:48:22am

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

If nothing else, it certainly is history.

That a member of the British Royal Family - a Prince of the House of Windsor, no less - would be marrying a mixed-race American divorceé is something that would’ve been entirely unthinkable as little as 30 years ago.

All the best to the happy couple.

The freeper’s have been howling bloody murder about this for quite a while. I won’t debase this thread with some examples, but the bigotry and horrid predictions are horrid.

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HappyWarrior  May 19, 2018 • 6:56:05am

re: #203 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The freeper’s have been howling bloody murder about this for quite a while. I won’t debase this thread with some examples, but the bigotry and horrid predictions are horrid.

Wish I could be surprised.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 19, 2018 • 7:03:30am
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ObserverArt  May 19, 2018 • 7:05:13am

re: #202 MsJ

It’s nice, to me, to see goodness and happiness somewhere in the world.

Oh, I agree. But the contrast stands.

It is just so stark as portrayed by the media. That’s is what struck me.

Sadly, I hope today does not quickly allow yesterday to slide into memory. The politicians and lobbyists will hope it will.

Maybe the student activists started by the Parkland students refuse to let that happen.

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MsJ  May 19, 2018 • 7:06:31am

re: #203 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The freeper’s have been howling bloody murder about this for quite a while. I won’t debase this thread with some examples, but the bigotry and horrid predictions are horrid.

They must have loved Curry. 🤣 Fuck ‘em.

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 7:07:16am

Google maps has the route of the procession from the cathedral to the castle on their view:

google.com

You can see that they had to leave the castle grounds so there could be viewing. Otherwise the couple could have walked from their apartments to the church and back again.

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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 7:08:27am

re: #208 freetoken

Google maps has the route of the procession from the cathedral to the castle on their view:

google.com

You can see that they had to leave the castle grounds so there could be viewing. Otherwise the couple could have walked from their apartments to the church and back again.

It’s good PR to be seen by the public.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 7:10:05am

re: #209 wheat-dogg

It’s good PR to be seen by the public.

Yeah, and he’s an heir to the crown - not an immediate heir, but he’s in the direct line of succession.

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 7:11:16am

re: #209 wheat-dogg

It’s good PR to be seen by the public.

I had forgotten what I think I once knew - that Windsor castle is right under the flight path of very nearby Heathrow airport.

No wonder the queen spends most of her time at the other properties. Who wants to hear the roar of jet engines 24/7?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 7:12:53am

re: #211 freetoken

I had forgotten what I think I once knew - that Windsor castle is right under the flight path of very nearby Heathrow airport.

No wonder the queen spends most of her time at the other properties. Who wants to hear the roar of jet engines 24/7?

Just watching “QI” the other day - a great British TV quiz show - and it seems that her official residence (as in her mailing address) is St James’ Palace and not Buckingham, Windsor or Balmoral.

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fern01  May 19, 2018 • 7:14:48am

re: #150 freetoken

Harry is the 5th Great grand nephew of the first Duke of Sussex, it appears.

Harry could be the last such Duke too, depending on how the future of the British monarchy goes.

The monarchy will survive - they tried getting rid of it once & then realized the error of their ways when the religious bigots took over. Harry will be the last Duke - of his line - if he does not have a son. Couple of hundred years time it could be given to another 2nd son.

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fern01  May 19, 2018 • 7:16:25am

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

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she can thank trump - he managed to keep all politicians away from the wedding because no way was this president* getting an invite.

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 7:19:27am

re: #212 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just watching “QI” the other day - a great British TV quiz show - and it seems that her official residence (as in her mailing address) is St James’ Palace and not Buckingham, Windsor or Balmoral.

Isn’t that just formality, though? I thought that a lot of the business of being a royal is just keeping the traditions on the paper.

In practice, I thought Elizabeth spent most of her time in Buckingham, though they used to go up to Scotland a lot.

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fern01  May 19, 2018 • 7:20:35am

re: #161 freetoken

His grandmother, his father, his brother, and his nephew would all have to perish first.

Also his niece and recently born nephew. Harry is now No 6 in line - not likely.

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fern01  May 19, 2018 • 7:21:40am

re: #168 freetoken

Yeah, forgot about her.

The youngest boy is just a month old. I do not believe infants are eligible to be crowned.

The only child of King Henry V, little Henry VI ascended to the throne at just 8 months and 25 days old making him the youngest king in British history

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 7:24:14am

re: #215 freetoken

Isn’t that just formality, though? I thought that a lot of the business of being a royal is just keeping the traditions on the paper.

In practice, I thought Elizabeth spent most of her time in Buckingham, though they used to go up to Scotland a lot.

that is her “mailing address” as in where one presents formal documents addressed to The Queen

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fern01  May 19, 2018 • 7:27:51am

re: #186 Dr Lizardo

True enough.

This particular marriage is remarkable in that not all that long ago, historically speaking, Edward VIII wanted to marry an American divorceé and we all know how that ended. Granted, he was King, but I can’t help but think that a marriage such as the one between Harry and Megan would’ve been impossible 30 years ago.

The marriage is always possible, but without the approval of the Monarch - the leader of the Church of England, the royal can lose all royal privilege. This was why Princess Margaret did not marry her divorcee back in the 1950s when the C of E did not recognize divorce. And now, that same church married a divorcee who was brought up as a R.C. - and the Queen makes her a Duchess. Things do change - just takes some time.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 7:29:10am

re: #219 fern01

The marriage is always possible, but without the approval of the Monarch - the leader of the Church of England, the royal can lose all royal privilege. This was why Princess Margaret did not marry her divorcee back in the 1950s when the C of E did not recognize divorce. And now, that same church married a divorcee who was brought up as a R.C. - and the Queen makes her a Duchess. Things do change - just takes some time.

And it’s good to see things change.

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 7:29:49am

re: #218 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And the official appointments such as ambassadors are “from the Court of St. James”, too. I guess everyone needs a permanent mailing address.

I see Wikipedia already lists the living space of the new Duke and Duchess of Sussex as Kensington palace, though the Wiki entry on that palace just has his brother’s family currently living there (and their cousin Eugenie.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 7:29:59am

re: #219 fern01

The marriage is always possible, but without the approval of the Monarch - the leader of the Church of England, the royal can lose all royal privilege. This was why Princess Margaret did not marry her divorcee back in the 1950s when the C of E did not recognize divorce. And now, that same church married a divorcee who was brought up as a R.C. - and the Queen makes her a Duchess. Things do change - just takes some time.

That issue came up with Charles and Camilla: she was the love of his life but marriage was out of the question as she was a divorcee, so he wound up marrying Diana, whom he did not really love, and we all know how that ended.

As it is, I expect his mom is just going to do her damnedest to outlive him and pass the throne on to her grandson.

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fern01  May 19, 2018 • 7:31:45am

re: #187 freetoken

I don’t really know how the royal family makes money other than salaries from their other occupations (in Harry’s case the military.) The duchies apparently are not really at the discretion of the royal family, though of course they have the privilege of using their lands for their own pleasure.

IOW, I don’t think Charles can take, say, a few million dollars from his duchy and invest in something else. It’s ownership only in the sense of exclusive use.

Charles gets the income from his estate and can use it as he sees fit. In more recent times both he and his mother pay taxes on their income (not sure when that started, probably late 20th century)

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 7:33:30am

re: #223 fern01

The wiki entry claims their estates are managed for them, and that the estates are not very discretionary.

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 7:35:42am

The new couple will have somewhat modest living accommodations:

Nottingham Cottage has two bedrooms and receptions rooms with a bathroom and small garden. It is 1,324 ft2 in size.

Single bathroom… that’s going to get old fast.

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Dr. Matt  May 19, 2018 • 7:42:23am

Just this week we had a congresscritter claim falling rocks is responsible for rising sea levels, a POS fake potus claim the prior president spied on him, a racist lawyer get outed and become the most hated man in America, and two school shootings in single day. Trump’s America fucking sucks…..

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fern01  May 19, 2018 • 7:48:11am

re: #222 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That issue came up with Charles and Camilla: she was the love of his life but marriage was out of the question as she was a divorcee, so he wound up marrying Diana, whom he did not really love, and we all know how that ended.

As it is, I expect his mom is just going to do her damnedest to outlive him and pass the throne on to her grandson.

Unlikely - Charles will get a few years, (Edward VII only had about 10 years after his mother Victoria died) - and from what I have read Camilla will get the Queen title - like I said times sure are changing.

I’ve always thought the monarchy as it exists today is much better than having a President. No authority - that remains with Parliament/government - but they do bring in massive amounts to the UK treasury. Every tourist wants to visit all the royal places/buy the souvenirs. I even queued for 6 hours when the QM died to view the lying in state. It was an amazing experience and brought hundreds of thousands to the capital. I imagine a wedding would bring many more than a funeral.

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fern01  May 19, 2018 • 7:50:26am

re: #224 freetoken

The wiki entry claims their estates are managed for them, and that the estates are not very discretionary.

I read that more in relation to what they can do with the estate - but they still have some discretion in regards to the income - and they pay taxes. Regardless, they don’t have financial issues - :)

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Belafon  May 19, 2018 • 7:52:37am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and we are supposed to be tolerant of their views

One of the positive outcomes over the last 18 months is I have learned that tolerance isn’t a goal, but just a tool in pursuit of the true goals of ensuring that all people have the same rights and freedoms and opportunities.

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MsJ  May 19, 2018 • 7:52:47am

Fuck Murdoch. I hope he gets struck by lightning.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 19, 2018 • 7:55:34am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 7:57:02am

re: #231 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

political posters get blocked on my FB page, pro-gun posters get dropped entirely

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 8:00:38am

re: #230 MsJ

Well, the wedding is the hot topic today. So any outlet that exists by getting eyes will have stories about the new couple.

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PhillyPretzel  May 19, 2018 • 8:02:59am

re: #230 MsJ

I would like to see him deported back to Australia; and removed from all of his companies.

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Dr. Matt  May 19, 2018 • 8:04:44am

re: #230 MsJ

I’m searching for my shocked face that a Murdoch organization is smearing a POC.

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HappyWarrior  May 19, 2018 • 8:11:44am

re: #230 MsJ

Fuck Murdoch. I hope he gets struck by lightning.

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Rupert is such a miserable bigoted prick.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 8:13:11am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Rupert is such a miserable bigoted prick.

I imagine he’s probably absolutely mortified that a POC is now married into the Windsors.

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HappyWarrior  May 19, 2018 • 8:13:34am

re: #234 PhillyPretzel

I would like to see him deported back to Australia; and removed from all of his companies.

Send him into the Outback and make him actually have to make a honest living instead of being a modern day Hearst.

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HappyWarrior  May 19, 2018 • 8:14:39am

re: #237 Dr Lizardo

I imagine he’s probably absolutely mortified that a POC is now married into the Windsors.

Yep. TBH these attacks remind me of the ones his organizations would do on Michelle Obama.

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MsJ  May 19, 2018 • 8:17:02am
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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 8:20:21am

In olden days, it would probably be more a scandal that Harry was marrying an American divorcee rather than someone whose mother is African-American.

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MsJ  May 19, 2018 • 8:21:05am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Send him into the Outback and make him actually have to make a honest living instead of being a modern day Hearst.

Send him to the Outback and make his tour guide the guy from Wolf Creek.

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freetoken  May 19, 2018 • 8:21:56am

See Edward VIII.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 8:22:38am

re: #241 freetoken

In olden days, it would probably be more a scandal that Harry was marrying an American divorcee rather than someone whose mother is African-American.

That would’ve been a major scandal in and of itself. Hell, interracial marriages were frowned upon until not long ago - and by that, I mean in the last couple of decades or so. And even there, it’s still a highly contentious subject among some people.

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meteor  May 19, 2018 • 8:24:00am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 8:24:31am

re: #240 MsJ

Um, the Santa Fe suspect shot his ex-girlfriend in the first classroom. Why isn’t this a bigger deal?

one really has to ask about what goes into reporting on gun violence and whether agenda is not more important than information

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MsJ  May 19, 2018 • 8:27:49am

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MsJ  May 19, 2018 • 8:35:52am

Ginger and Sparkle chips. This is hysterical.

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sagehen  May 19, 2018 • 8:38:02am

re: #186 Dr Lizardo

True enough.

This particular marriage is remarkable in that not all that long ago, historically speaking, Edward VIII wanted to marry an American divorceé and we all know how that ended. Granted, he was King, but I can’t help but think that a marriage such as the one between Harry and Megan would’ve been impossible 30 years ago.

Being an American divorceé was only the start of what was wrong with that potential marriage — Wallis Simpson was a Nazi sympathizer for sure, possibly a Nazi agent, and she was pushing Edward to negotiate/sign a treaty with Hitler. Being not very bright and easily manipulated, the family feared he might just do it. That’s why after the marriage they were exiled.

Throughout the war, when things were going badly, Wallis retained hope that if/when Germany won they’d be returned to the throne.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 19, 2018 • 8:40:29am

re: #186 Dr Lizardo

True enough.

This particular marriage is remarkable in that not all that long ago, historically speaking, Edward VIII wanted to marry an American divorceé and we all know how that ended. Granted, he was King, but I can’t help but think that a marriage such as the one between Harry and Megan would’ve been impossible 30 years ago.

As it turned out, it was fortunate for the world that Edward had to surrender the throne to marry the woman he loved. I shudder to think what would have happened if those two Nazi-supporting lovers had been King and Queen of England.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 8:40:41am

re: #249 sagehen

Being an American divorceé was only the start of what was wrong with that potential marriage — Wallis Simpson was a Nazi sympathizer for sure, possibly a Nazi agent, and she was pushing Edward to negotiate/sign a treaty with Hitler. Being not very bright and easily manipulated, the family feared he might just do it. That’s why after the marriage they were exiled.

Throughout the war, when things were going badly, Wallis retained hope that if/when Germany won they’d be returned to the throne.

wow, so it was a lot more fucked up than what we read about it…one forgets how popular fascism was in certain circles, both aristocratic and working-class, in the UK and the USA in the 30’s…

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 8:44:33am

re: #249 sagehen

Being an American divorceé was only the start of what was wrong with that potential marriage — Wallis Simpson was a Nazi sympathizer for sure, possibly a Nazi agent, and she was pushing Edward to negotiate/sign a treaty with Hitler. Being not very bright and easily manipulated, the family feared he might just do it. That’s why after the marriage they were exiled.

Throughout the war, when things were going badly, Wallis retained hope that if/when Germany won they’d be returned to the throne.

Yes indeed - I believe at the time, it was really only the British Establishment that knew of Wallis’ Nazi sympathies.

I hadn’t heard that she may have been an outright Nazi agent. That’s news to me.

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Jay C  May 19, 2018 • 8:45:08am

re: #240 MsJ

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That’s an interesting tidbit about Pagourtzis’ girlfriend, but it (just IMO) misses the bigger picture. If there was a “personal” aspect to his shooting rampage, one has to wonder why he followed the now- (tragically, disgracefully) classic “school shooter” scenario, rather than, say, just waiting for his “ex” outside after the bell, and plugging her right then and there. Even if the ex-girlfriend was a (the?) target, and/or a murder-suicide intention, it doesn’t address the issue of why this looney-tunes felt the need to take a bunch of his classmates/teachers with him. And still less the issue of the easy/careless access to firearms that let him do so: which headline would we rather be reading…?

Deranged teen kills 10, injures 10 in grisly school shooting at Texas high school. or:

Deranges teen stabs, kills girlfriend in grisly knife attack at Texas high school

PS: apparently it WAS “personal” in a way:

Santa Fe shooter said he spared students he liked

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 19, 2018 • 8:46:21am
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Stanley Sea  May 19, 2018 • 8:51:17am

re: #67 austin_blue

Wow. I think that’s hideously unfair.

He’s helping a local community.

He’s relieving a huge financial burden on a rural community, and how many of those parents had insurance policies to cover the $10-15,000 cost of burying their high school children so cruelly cut down?

We have no idea how much money he has given to the local candidates in the upcoming elections who support reasonable gun control. Could be nothing, could be a lot.

That was a really harsh comment. This was a guy who raised millions of dollars for local Hurricane relief.

Sorry I’m so late to reply. Of course it came off wrong. It was a gut reaction.

It’s absolutely no criticism of JJ. it’s a critique on the need.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 19, 2018 • 8:53:31am

re: #254 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I have a lot of mixed opinions about Shaun King but he totally nailed that one.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 19, 2018 • 8:54:16am

re: #253 Jay C

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #240 MsJ

Almost akin to the Sutherland Springs church shooting where the murderer’s target was the church of his wife’s family.

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HappyWarrior  May 19, 2018 • 8:58:51am

re: #256 Eclectic Cyborg

I have a lot of mixed opinions about Shaun King but he totally nailed that one.

Dylann Roof killed 12 black parishioners in cold blood and got treated to Burger King. Philando Castile was cooperating with the cops and got killed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 9:00:05am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

Dylann Roof killed 12 black parishioners in cold blood and got treated to Burger King. Philando Castile was cooperating with the cops and got killed.

That is the point. White shooters seem to get taken alive more often than unarmed blacks…

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Ace-o-aces  May 19, 2018 • 9:01:42am

Once again, America’s porn stars take the lead.

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HappyWarrior  May 19, 2018 • 9:02:48am

re: #259 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is the point. White shooters seem to get taken alive more often than unarmed blacks…

Oh I know it is.

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HappyWarrior  May 19, 2018 • 9:03:46am

re: #260 Ace-o-aces

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Watch the gun nuts throw a fit.

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ObserverArt  May 19, 2018 • 9:06:04am

re: #231 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I saw he made similar comments in some newspaper articles.

Good for you Chief! We need more police officers like you.

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BlueSpotinAL  May 19, 2018 • 9:06:05am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 9:08:13am

re: #260 Ace-o-aces

I’m turning in my gun to the police today and leaving my gun rack empty, just like the beds of all the lost children. I’m not against the 2nd ammendment, I am against the untimely deaths of children.

How will she defend herself against government tyranny?

We have two lines of argument coming from the NRA: one is that sane and law-abiding folk need guns to defend us from crazed criminals with guns, the other is that Patriots need guns to defend themselves against their legally elected government should it start to abuse its checked & balanced Constitutional powers.

They run that argument in an endless loop against a backdrop of public gun massacres.

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MsJ  May 19, 2018 • 9:09:44am
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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  May 19, 2018 • 9:13:43am

I’m usually against revivals of old TV series, but this one might be a worthy exception - It looks like they got almost the entire cast back together, and honestly, they are going to have TONS of material to work with.

First Look At Murphy Brown on CBS

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Ace-o-aces  May 19, 2018 • 9:13:51am

re: #262 HappyWarrior

Watch the gun nuts throw a fit.

Actually, I’m most surprised nobody has made a joke about her “gun rack”.

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PhillyPretzel  May 19, 2018 • 9:13:57am

I just got a so-called final notice from The Wall Street Journal. They have sent several notices since March. I will use a stamp to send back a slip that says Cancel on it.

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Alephnaught  May 19, 2018 • 9:16:25am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Important bit of UK cultural context here: on the back of movie with the same title, a re-release of Ben E. King’s “Stand By Me” rose to No. 1 on the UK singles chart in early 1987, and subsequently became a staple of wedding DJ sets.

So in the UK, not is it only regarded as a classic pop song, but a classic wedding pop song.

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ObserverArt  May 19, 2018 • 9:17:03am

re: #266 MsJ

X Trapnel
@jonathan_jerald
Paul Ryan Is an Almost Comically Inept Speaker of the House #SmartNews esquire.com

4:12 AM - May 19, 2018

The headline is true. But no one is laughing.

Well, except Pauile…all the way to the bank.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2018 • 9:17:57am

re: #268 Ace-o-aces

Actually, I’m most surprised nobody has made a joke about her “gun rack”.

Give Dennis Miller a couple more weeks to post that joke…

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ObserverArt  May 19, 2018 • 9:18:15am

re: #269 PhillyPretzel

I just got a so-called final notice from The Wall Street Journal. They have sent several notices since March. I will use a stamp to send back a slip that says Cancel on it.

Be sure to let them know exactly why.

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Stanley Sea  May 19, 2018 • 9:19:05am

Catching up here.

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PhillyPretzel  May 19, 2018 • 9:19:23am

re: #273 ObserverArt

They do not have enough room to write what I want to say.

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Skip Intro  May 19, 2018 • 9:22:07am

I am really sick of seeing Josh Denny tweets. Can we give it a rest?

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Skip Intro  May 19, 2018 • 9:22:54am

re: #268 Ace-o-aces

Actually, I’m most surprised nobody has made a joke about her “gun rack”.

Sarah Palin killed that joke for all time.

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ObserverArt  May 19, 2018 • 9:23:59am

re: #275 PhillyPretzel

They do not have enough room to write what I want to say.

Shorten it to: You Suck Murdoch!

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PhillyPretzel  May 19, 2018 • 9:26:10am

re: #278 ObserverArt

Nice, but it does not have the same feeling as if The Royal Family accepts Meghan you should too.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 19, 2018 • 9:32:00am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 9:33:56am

re: #279 PhillyPretzel

Nice, but it does not have the same feeling as if The Royal Family accepts Meghan you should too.

they found out the hard way with Diana

really cost them a lot of popularity when the world saw how much they revered her and were generally meh about the rest of the clan (except the sons)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 9:35:01am

re: #280 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

When u know this harkonnen union ritual is vital to the continued spice trade but ur still a kid who’s bored af

when you know your mother was supposed to bear a daughter for the breeding program but gave him a son to please the Duke

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Jay C  May 19, 2018 • 9:36:16am

re: #267 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

I’m usually against revivals of old TV series, but this one might be a worthy exception - It looks like they got almost the entire cast back together, and honestly, they are going to have TONS of material to work with.

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Video

Not sure this is going to work. Mrs. Jay found reruns of the original Murphy Brown on a cable station, so we started to watch them: We both had the same reaction: This Show Didn’t Age Well. Kinda like its stars (though Faith Ford looks bizarrely unchanged in 25+ years). We hope they can retool their HW Bush/Clinton-era shtick for today’s audience, but we’re not optimistic.

Not wanting to feed domestic un-tranquility, I also keep my opinions of the new Will & Grace reboot to myself: Mrs. Jay loves it: to me, it’s just another ’90s retread that doesn’t work well: in this case despite the cast’s talent.

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plansbandc  May 19, 2018 • 9:37:25am

re: #267 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Tyne Daly? I am so in.

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Teukka  May 19, 2018 • 9:42:23am

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 19, 2018 • 10:02:03am

re: #267 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

I’m usually against revivals of old TV series, but this one might be a worthy exception - It looks like they got almost the entire cast back together, and honestly, they are going to have TONS of material to work with.

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FAKE NEWS!

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sagehen  May 19, 2018 • 10:07:16am

re: #283 Jay C

Not sure this is going to work. Mrs. Jay found reruns of the original Murphy Brown on a cable station, so we started to watch them: We both had the same reaction: This Show Didn’t Age Well. Kinda like its stars (though Faith Ford looks bizarrely unchanged in 25+ years). We hope they can retool their HW Bush/Clinton-era shtick for today’s audience, but we’re not optimistic.

Not wanting to feed domestic un-tranquility, I also keep my opinions of the new Will & Grace reboot to myself: Mrs. Jay loves it: to me, it’s just another ’90s retread that doesn’t work well: in this case despite the cast’s talent.

Magnum P.I. is also returning this fall.

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PhillyPretzel  May 19, 2018 • 10:09:19am

re: #287 sagehen

Really?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 10:10:50am

re: #287 sagehen

Magnum P.I. is also returning this fall.

I did not even own a TV for long stretches in the 70’s and 80’s, and only bought one in Germany to keep up with the breaking news in 1989 when all hell was breaking loose and walls and borders were being dismantled.

Have since watched a number of series on Netflix and amazon but not on a regular basis since I split up with my GF and she changed her password…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2018 • 10:18:24am

It’s been years since I last followed a series on a network. Mainly stream HBO, Showtime, Starz and Filmstruck. I also stream other cable channels with Sling. Seems all the networks do anymore is resurrect old series.

The way CGI is going they will probably reboot shows with the original actor images in a decade.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 19, 2018 • 10:18:41am

re: #287 sagehen

Magnum P.I. is also returning this fall.

There is nothing new under the sun.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2018 • 10:20:20am

re: #291 Blind Frog Belly White

There is nothing new under the sun.

I’m sure the reboots of My Mother The Car, My Living Doll, It’s About Time and The Brady Bunch are waiting in the wings…

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 19, 2018 • 10:22:41am

re: #292 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m sure the reboots of My Mother The Car, My Living Doll, It’s About Time and The Brady Bunch are waiting in the wings…

“A Very Brady Retirement Party”

“A Very Brady Funeral”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 10:22:43am

re: #292 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m sure the reboots of My Mother The Car, My Living Doll, It’s About Time and The Brady Bunch are waiting in the wings…

I was waiting for My Mother The Car to come back as the GPS voice in an SUV that is the ghost of a mom who was killed in service in Iraq to talk to her family and give them moral guidance.

Bet you dollars to donuts that such a script is being floated now as we speak

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 19, 2018 • 10:29:13am

re: #294 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was waiting for My Mother The Car to come back as the GPS voice in an SUV that is the ghost of a mom who was killed in service in Iraq to talk to her family and give them moral guidance.

Bet you dollars to donuts that such a script is being floated now as we speak

Siri-ously.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 19, 2018 • 10:30:51am
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 19, 2018 • 10:38:40am

Jesus, Bill - it’s the same goddam people!!! They’re 35 years older now, and they’re frustrated that the world didn’t stay the way they wanted it.

But, you know, it was ALWAYS about anger and fear. It’s just that Reagan portrayed fucking the poors and the coloreds as ‘Self Reliance’. “Welfare queens driving Cadillacs”, “Strapping young bucks on street corners buying T-bone steaks* with Food Stamps” - any of that ring a bell?

*Why T-bone steaks? I think there’s something semantically loaded about that. The phrase doesn’t work the same way if you substitute Porterhouse, or Strip, or Ribeye. Funny, but I think it’s true.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 10:42:38am

re: #297 Blind Frog Belly White

One striking contrast between Reagan and Trump:
Reagan’s conservatism was a youthful movement (in spirit and often in fact), fueled by hopefulness for the future. Trump’s conservatism is a reactionary movement of older Americans, fueled by anger and fear.

At least Reagan had a record of public service and some idea of how government functions, how to delegate and how to work with governmental bodies and agencies, how to shape and implement policies and decisions.

(Not that I agreed with any of it.)

All that is lacking in the current administration.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 19, 2018 • 10:44:00am

re: #298 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

At least Reagan had a record of public service and some idea of how government functions, how to delegate and how to work with governmental bodies and agencies, how to shape and implement policies and decisions.

(Not that I agreed with any of it.)

All that is lacking in the current administration.

Everything we thought about Reagan - a lot of it was true - Trump is that on steroids.

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JordanRules  May 19, 2018 • 10:45:33am
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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 10:46:25am

re: #298 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

At least Reagan had a record of public service and some idea of how government functions, how to delegate and how to work with governmental bodies and agencies, how to shape and implement policies and decisions.

(Not that I agreed with any of it.)

All that is lacking in the current administration.

Reagan’s past as an actor also helped; it let him project a kind of sunny confidence and hopefulness.

Trump is just bitter negativity and angry cynicism.

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goddamnedfrank  May 19, 2018 • 10:46:42am
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wrenchwench  May 19, 2018 • 10:50:03am

re: #301 Dr Lizardo

Reagan’s past as an actor also helped; it let him project a kind of sunny confidence and hopefulness.

Trump is just bitter negativity and angry cynicism.

Reagan didn’t know WTF he was doing to people, but he could act like he knew something.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 10:53:27am

re: #299 Blind Frog Belly White

Everything we thought about Reagan - a lot of it was true - Trump is that on steroids.

Reagan courted the Religious Right but once he got into power he ignored them and listened to Nancy’s house astrologer instead.

The Religious Right courted Trump and in return he is quietly giving them everything they are asking for. And if he can, he will give them judges to overturn Roe vs. Wade or at least render it inoperative

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JordanRules  May 19, 2018 • 11:01:03am
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 19, 2018 • 11:01:36am

re: #297 Blind Frog Belly White

Conservatives wanting Conservatism to return to a nonexistent Golden Age of Conservatism that never really existed. I think it’s getting too meta.

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dangerman  May 19, 2018 • 11:02:13am

The Mrs dm saturday recap

Not much to report today

Things are progressing well if a bit slower than expected/desired

Pain is minimal
Eating normally
Walking 4 or 5 times a day

We’re hoping for a sunday release. If so, stay tuned for fireworks

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 11:06:09am

re: #305 JordanRules

ICYMI : North Korea demanded that US cancel pre-scheduled training exercises or else no summit. Trump complied.

I have given up playing “imagine if Obama had done that” but this tops everything.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 11:06:56am

re: #306 Blind Frog Belly White

Conservatives wanting Conservatism to return to a nonexistent Golden Age of Conservatism that never really existed. I think it’s getting too meta.

Conservatism itself is all about returning to fuzzy memories of some Golden Age that never existed.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2018 • 11:08:25am

re: #308 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have given up playing “imagine if Obama had done that” but this tops everything.

Republicans have made it clear when a white man fucks up it’s OK but when a black man does the right thing it’s awful!

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 19, 2018 • 11:09:43am

This is an amazingly bad, stupid take, yet it contains a nugget of truth - the Right, and later the Left as well spent 30 years inaccurately painting the Clintons as corrupt, to the point where entirely too many people believed it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 19, 2018 • 11:10:10am

re: #309 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Conservatism itself is all about returning to fuzzy memories of some Golden Age that never existed.

Yes, that was the point.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 11:11:27am

re: #312 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes, that was the point.

And morning-in-America Reagan is one of their favorite theme park rides

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 19, 2018 • 11:12:31am

I usually don’t post a lot of personal stuff on this site, but I almost always read other’s posts— both sad and happy. But yesterday, I become a father… of a college grad. Strange day. Lots of emotion. Almost cried. Lots of hugs. Very Intense. Wondered about my life since I graduated. Mostly good (except for unloading her dorm room, that was a pain in the ass.

did I mention she graduated with honors?????

pic under private tag.

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time flies people.

maybe the next gen will save our ass.

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plansbandc  May 19, 2018 • 11:15:47am

re: #314 I Would Prefer Not To

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Single-handed sailor  May 19, 2018 • 11:18:55am

re: #314 I Would Prefer Not To

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 19, 2018 • 11:20:58am

BURN

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 19, 2018 • 11:22:15am
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JordanRules  May 19, 2018 • 11:23:47am
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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 11:28:53am

re: #305 JordanRules

They should just call Trump “Sugar”.

Because he gives it up so sweet.

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ObserverArt  May 19, 2018 • 11:38:26am

re: #319 JordanRules

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Milo!

It’s the new odd couple…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 11:38:44am

re: #319 JordanRules

Alex Jones can’t get away fast enough from an Infowars fan

Even he does not want to associate with those people, he just needs them as listeners…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2018 • 11:39:42am

re: #319 JordanRules

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I wonder what hits are playing on Infowarsmuzak?

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Charles Johnson  May 19, 2018 • 11:41:15am
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ipsos  May 19, 2018 • 11:42:25am

re: #324 Charles Johnson

I am convinced he’s using speech-to-text. Does he even know how to type?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 11:43:17am

re: #325 ipsos

I am convinced he’s using speech-to-text. Does he even know how to type?

too busy wiping

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 19, 2018 • 11:43:52am

re: #324 Charles Johnson

Luckily RealPressSecBot is set on auto

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ObserverArt  May 19, 2018 • 11:44:02am

re: #322 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Even he does not want to associate with those people, he just needs them as listeners…

As he and Milo walk out and the recording stops it looks like the guy coming up on the sidewalk recognizes Jones too.

Sad enough they know Jones. I kind of wonder if they know Milo too?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 19, 2018 • 11:44:25am

re: #248 MsJ

Ginger and Sparkle chips. This is hysterical.

I am glad that one of the Buzzfeeder’s explained the name. It wooshed over my head.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2018 • 11:47:01am

re: #328 ObserverArt

As he and Milo walk out and the recording stops it looks like the guy coming up on the sidewalk recognizes Jones too.

Sad enough they know Jones. I kind of wonder if they know Milo too?

Why isn’t Milo’s hubby ever with him in public?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 19, 2018 • 11:47:31am

re: #251 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

wow, so it was a lot more fucked up than what we read about it…one forgets how popular fascism was in certain circles, both aristocratic and working-class, in the UK and the USA in the 30’s…

What goes around, comes around. Lots of fascism and Nazi lovers in those same circles, right now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 11:47:53am

re: #330 Joe Bacon 🌹

Why isn’t Milo’s hubby ever with him in public?

His hubby is a gay beard, he is secretly hetero…

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 11:48:55am

re: #319 JordanRules

Alex Jones: “These people are fuckin’ nuts!!”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 19, 2018 • 11:50:17am

Reportedly a generated electricity distribution problem, not a reactor problem

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2018 • 11:50:46am

re: #324 Charles Johnson

LOL I wish he hadn’t deleted it; would’ve given me the opportunity to tweet him “Who’s Melanie? Another side girl?”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 19, 2018 • 11:51:16am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2018 • 11:51:25am

I’m waiting for Roseanne to force ABC to put The Alex and Milo Show on their schedule…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 19, 2018 • 11:52:10am

re: #335 Dr Lizardo

LOL I wish he hadn’t deleted it; would’ve given me the opportunity to tweet him “Who’s Melanie? Another side girl?”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 11:58:57am

re: #338 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Alex Jones can’t get away fast enough from an Infowars fan

She looked like his daughter but sounded like his wife…all makes sense.

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ObserverArt  May 19, 2018 • 12:02:17pm

re: #339 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

She looked like his daughter but sounded like his wife…all makes sense.

Oh…Ivankia!!!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 19, 2018 • 12:02:24pm

If you haven’t seen it in the media. In the last week the USAF reported that personnel from Minot Air Force Base had lost an ammo can of 40mm HE grenades (should be 32 rds), and then that a M240 machine gun was unaccounted for at the same base

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Charles Johnson  May 19, 2018 • 12:04:00pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 19, 2018 • 12:13:10pm

re: #341 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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If you haven’t seen it in the media. In the last week the USAF reported that personnel from Minot Air Force Base had lost an ammo can of 40mm HE grenades (should be 32 rds), and then that a M240 machine gun was unaccounted for at the same base

JFC.

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Charles Johnson  May 19, 2018 • 12:15:28pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 12:19:26pm

re: #344 Charles Johnson

No reason to be puzzled. The argument is offered in utterly bad faith by people desperate to discredit the investigation, some of whom playact as journalists. It doesn’t reflect any first principle, or serve any substantive purpose other than misleading the public.

They need some grounds to be able to ignore Mueller’s findings when he presents them so that they do not appear totally complicit themselves when they fail to act on them.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 19, 2018 • 12:32:52pm

re: #343 Eclectic Cyborg

JFC.

Apparently the can of 40mm rounds fell off a HMMWV on an Indian reservation. It has not been recovered, and the search has ended.
Of something of a positive note. the 40mm rounds are relatively useless without a automatic grenade launcher, like a Mk19. Unless, of course, you were to build something of a small single shot cannon to fire them from

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 19, 2018 • 12:33:28pm

I especially liked the simple, unadorned uniform Prince Harry wore to the wedding. 4 service ribbons, all legit, and his pilot wings, that’s it. I’ve been cringing for the last 20 years as our own officers seem to be done up more and more like Ruritanian field marshals when they, say, testify before Congress. The acres and acres of ribbons and badges and other trinkets are not necessary, they are confusing to the public, and they send the wrong message. This was an issue while I was still in the Army, with the advocates of ostentation apparently having won the debate.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 19, 2018 • 12:38:12pm

re: #347 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I especially liked the simple, unadorned uniform Prince Harry wore to the wedding. 4 service ribbons, all legit, and his pilot wings, that’s it. I’ve been cringing for the last 20 years as our own officers seem to be done up more and more like Ruritanian field marshals when they, say, testify before Congress. The acres and acres of ribbons and badges and other trinkets are not necessary, they are confusing to the public, and they send the wrong message. This was an issue while I was still in the Army, with the advocates of ostentation apparently having won the debate.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2018 • 12:38:49pm

Hmmmm wondering why Asshole Alex isn’t doing his false flag shit with this latest shooting?

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dangerman  May 19, 2018 • 12:39:35pm

re: #345 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They need some grounds to be able to ignore Mueller’s findings when he presents them so that they do not appear totally complicit themselves when they fail to act on them.

Completely on faith I think Mueller’s report will be so thorough as to be near impossible to ignore

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 19, 2018 • 12:40:37pm

re: #349 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hmmmm wondering why Asshole Alex isn’t doing his false flag shit with this latest shooting?

Give him time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 12:43:17pm

re: #350 dangerman

Completely on faith I think Mueller’s report will be so thorough as to be near impossible to ignore

Completely on faith I think that the GOP will do their damnedest to discredit, confound, confuse, contradict and ignore his findings so they can justify to potential voters why they refused to act upon them.

And I hope they all choke on it if they do.

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darthstar  May 19, 2018 • 12:48:59pm

Went for a morning surf with a friend. North wind added a bit of chill to the air…fuck it…it was cold. I actually wished I’d remembered my gloves. Couple of dudes on their board paddle by my friend and ask her, “How can you surf without any gloves?”

She says, “Because I’m not a pussy.”

They quietly drifted away from her.

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wrenchwench  May 19, 2018 • 12:59:46pm
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Skip Intro  May 19, 2018 • 1:12:40pm

re: #349 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hmmmm wondering why Asshole Alex isn’t doing his false flag shit with this latest shooting?

His followers already did that yesterday.

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darthstar  May 19, 2018 • 1:14:58pm
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JordanRules  May 19, 2018 • 1:15:32pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  May 19, 2018 • 1:25:01pm

Glad to see Jared getting flak from his classmates. He deserves it and more .

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dangerman  May 19, 2018 • 1:36:37pm

re: #352 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Completely on faith I think that the GOP will do their damnedest to discredit, confound, confuse, contradict and ignore his findings so they can justify to potential voters why they refused to act upon them.

And I hope they all choke on it if they do.

I agree entirely

He knows it too and likely will construct it accordningly

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2018 • 1:57:29pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 2:06:35pm

re: #359 dangerman

I agree entirely

He knows it too and likely will construct it accordningly

which is why he is taking such efforts to make sure everything is irreproachable, every t is crossed and every i dotted…

which makes life hard for our bombshell and sensation-crazed press

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2018 • 2:08:45pm
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ObserverArt  May 19, 2018 • 2:11:42pm

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Apparently the whole time Trump was bitching and making a big thing about evil Wall Street money backing Clinton, he was out taking money from anyone around the world willing to buy in. Some of them evil to American interests and others seen as evil by his very own backers.

The old slight of hand trick, performed with a big mouth and plenty of con job.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2018 • 2:23:34pm

yep…that would be us lizards, too…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2018 • 2:24:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2018 • 2:25:40pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  May 19, 2018 • 2:26:24pm

re: #253 Jay C

With apologies for vulgar statements about something tragic.

Schools are where kids spend half or more of their day. Schools are where they form a large number of their first non-family intimate contacts: mentors, friends, significant others. It is a space that is not like public space, full strangers, and what happens within it has some of the qualities of “private” space associated with the home.

A classroom is a domestic setting.

The first thing we should think about school shooters is…they are domestic murderers. Their entitled, incontinent horseshit that prompts murder likely contains grudges and hurt feelings, no matter how trivial, that make the motive something other than nihilist joy. I’ve said before, I suspect that some, indeed many, of these shootings start as a murder, then continue on because the intended murder doesn’t discharge their narcissistic injury…and having killed once, there’s the sense of being committed to an action and having no future, so why not go on*?

* …because you’re a shitheap that doesn’t value people beyond utility, and thus keeping shooting is all about you and thus that leap makes sense, you fucking waste….

It’s not mysterious. It’s not even clever. Like a lot of murderers, their “win” is that they lack something so large that other human beings wouldn’t anticipate their behavior. Nobody expects the guy that wins an argument by shitting in his hand and throwing it; nobody expects the shit weasel that solves his insecurity by spraying bullets in a classroom.

Fuck ‘em. They deserve no awe. They fail even by the conscienceless standard of comparison to other monsters.

They are the same species of coward as the man who leverages the love of his victims to freely deploy violence.

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dangerman  May 19, 2018 • 2:59:01pm

re: #266 MsJ

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Paul Ryan Is an Almost Comically Inept Speaker of the House

Almost?

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 19, 2018 • 3:26:00pm

re: #368 dangerman

Almost comic…definitely inept.


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