And Now, Snarky Puppy Spin-Off Band Forq: “Stannic”

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“Stannic” by Henry Hey

Off of Forq’s 2017 album “Thrēq,” out now on GroundUP Music

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Henry Hey - Keyboards
Chris McQueen - Guitars
Michael League - Bass
Jason “JT” Thomas - Drums

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Recorded by Nic Hard at the Bunker Studio in Brooklyn, New York.
Mixed by Nic Hard at Atlantic Sound Studio in Brooklyn, New York.
Mastered by Dave McNair at Dave McNair Mastering in Winston Salem, NC

Video directed by Andy LaViolette for Mr. Magic Carpet Ride Productions.
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Filmed by Andy LaViolette, Simon “C.F.” Yu, and Yusuke Suzuki.

Forq logo design by Dave Croy

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:55:08pm

I hate you Trump, with the power of a thousand suns. You and your whole fucking family.

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:55:53pm
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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:56:45pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:58:19pm

re: #3 jaunte

Current mood:

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Chrysicat  Jun 19, 2018 • 8:58:35pm
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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:00:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:01:58pm

re: #3 jaunte

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Of course he does.

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:02:31pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:03:38pm

Just wait till measles or meningitis breaks out in one of these “tender age” prisons…and then see that Nazi Steven Miller cackle just like Mengele…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:06:17pm

re: #8 jaunte

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Evil scumbags.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:06:21pm
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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:06:39pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:06:39pm

I have never been more ashamed of the U.S. Government as I am right now.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:06:41pm

re: #9 Joe Bacon 🌹

Meningitis is most prevalent among infants (and college-aged, I got it when I was 19).

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:07:05pm

And John Kelly, and Kirstjen Nielsen, and Sarah Hukabee Sanders, and Mitch McConnell, and Paul Ryan, and Mike Pence…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:08:15pm

re: #9 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just wait till measles or meningitis breaks out in one of these “tender age” prisons…and then see that Nazi Steven Miller cackle just like Mengele…

I’m sure you’ve read his background. Last person who should be advising an American President. Match made in hell for Trump.

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Jay C  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:09:04pm

From last thread:
re: #263 Ace Rothstein

Bottom line though is Congress can pass whatever they want, and orange anus can veto it, and there’s no way in hell they’ll override it. Especially in the House.

It all depends on who any particular Rep. or Senator is going to want to piss off the least. And the choice is likely to come down to:

A) Donald Trump.
B) their voters.

I think that for a considerable number of (R) Congresscritters, being on the wrong side of the issue of “orphaning” and locking up toddlers in cages in the desert heat is not something that they will want to have come up in November. Not in all (R) districts, of course - Depraved Deplorables are still disgracefully common - but perhaps in just enough that they will want to head off having a - to say the least - unpopular policy hanging around their necks on Election Day.

Oh, and the grift of having private industry profiting (on the taxpayers’ dime) from the Admin’s child-incarceration policies? To the benefit (apparently) of big donors? I think this is a facet of Trump’s awful policy that could use a LOT more looking-into…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:09:28pm

Left hanging on the last thread because I move too slow:

re: #85 teleskiguy

We’re not too far off from full on ethnic cleansing, folks. It’s bad. Please vote on 6 November for Democrats all the way down the ballot.

— Charlie Vogel, aka His Teleness the Charlie Lama

One needs to do more than vote for Democrats. One needs to actually look at the candidates, because some have been running as crypto-Republicans.

re: #90 Joe Bacon 🌹

Proud of my fellow DSAers!

Ditto.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:10:28pm

re: #11 Single-handed sailor

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That’s only going to make Trump support it more.

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SteelPH  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:11:09pm

re: #17 Jay C

The R’s have no conscience. When given the choice between doing the right thing or saving their own hide, they will invariably do that latter.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:11:42pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

I’m sure you’ve read his background. Last person who should be advising an American President. Match made in hell for Trump.

Oh ask folks in Santa Monica about his Slumlord Dad who quit a “liberal” temple.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:12:55pm

re: #21 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh ask folks in Santa Monica about his Slumlord Dad who quit a “liberal” temple.

Didn’t know about his Dad. Just about his fucked up high school years and mentorship by Spencer at Duke.

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Jay C  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:13:27pm

re: #20 SteelPH

The R’s have no conscience. When given the choice between doing the right thing or saving their own hide, they will invariably do that latter.

Quite true; but the trick is to try to make sure that those two options come to one choice.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:13:44pm

It’s times like these I remember Grandpa Bacon telling me of the CIO songs used in the SWOC (Steelworkers Organizing Committee) drive.

One of them was…“The G.O.P. Wants To F.U.C.K. Me…”

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Belafon  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:13:59pm
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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:14:01pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:14:25pm

re: #9 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just wait till measles or meningitis breaks out in one of these “tender age” prisons…and then see that Nazi Steven Miller cackle just like Mengele…

That thought had occurred to me. Fortunately, Mexico has a very good mandatory vaccination program and antivaxx bullshit is either unknown or given short shrift. Opposition to the requirement is minimal, since there is a shortage of gullible suburbanites for the woo-woos to grift in that part of the world, and poor Mexicans don’t make very good marks.
I don’t know about other countries like El Salvador and Guatemala though.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:15:13pm

re: #26 jaunte

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Oh but we’re the out of touch elitists and they’re the champions of the common man.

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:16:41pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:17:55pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

Oh but we’re the out of touch elitists and they’re the champions of the KKKommon man.

FIFY

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:19:34pm
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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:20:05pm

Here’s a good source of info if you want to push back against Trumper arguments.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:20:40pm

re: #31 Single-handed sailor

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OFFS

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:24:32pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:25:46pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:26:33pm

Hey Boys and Girls!

Here come the GOP Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid cuts!

The House Republican budget, titled “A Brighter American Future,” would remake Medicare by giving seniors the option of enrolling in private plans that compete with traditional Medicare, a system of competition designed to keep costs down but dismissed by critics as an effort to privatize the program. Along with other changes, the budget proposes to squeeze $537 billion out of Medicare over the next decade.

The budget would transform Medicaid, the federal-state health-care program for the poor, by limiting per capita payments or allowing states to turn it into a block-grant program — the same approach House Republicans took in their legislation that passed last year to repeal the Affordable Care Act (the repeal effort died in the Senate, but the GOP budget assumes that the repeal takes place). It also proposes adding work requirements for certain adults enrolled in Medicaid. Changes to Medicaid and other health programs would account for $1.5 trillion in savings.

Social Security comes in for more modest cuts of $4 billion over the decade, which the budget projects could be reached by eliminating concurrent receipt of unemployment benefits and Social Security disability insurance.

The budget also proposes a number of other cost-saving measures, some of which could prove unpopular if implemented, such as adding more work requirements for food-stamp and welfare recipients and requiring federal employees — including members of Congress — to contribute more to their retirement plans

THANK YOU JILL STEIN!

washingtonpost.com

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:27:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:27:46pm

re: #37 jaunte

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Our President is full on Alex Jones.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:28:30pm

re: #37 jaunte

Thanks, Coultergeist.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:31:21pm

This is becoming hideous and the obtuse response of the Trump base only makes it worse. I imagine I would feel something like this if nuclear war became real. It’s something like I felt on 9-11, a quantum jump in “how bad things can get.”

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Amory Blaine  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:35:02pm

At least half the country lives in full on delusions.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:35:17pm
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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:35:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:36:30pm

re: #43 jaunte

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He’s an abuser.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:39:58pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

He’s an abuser.

And HA Goodman is still kissing his ass while Tweeting that Hillary would have been worse…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:40:25pm

I wonder if the Trumperati are trying to shock the opposition so badly that they will be paralyzed into inaction? The idea would be to allow the fascist state to advance unhindered for a while. By the time the opposition recovers it wits, it would be too late.

If so, it isn’t working but I wouldn’t put it past them to be trying such a thing.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:44:15pm

re: #45 Joe Bacon 🌹

And HA Goodman is still kissing his ass while Tweeting that Hillary would have been worse…

Because he’s an entitled brat.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:45:33pm

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I wonder if the Trumperati are trying to shock the opposition so badly that they will be paralyzed into inaction? The idea would be to allow the fascist state to advance unhindered for a while. By the time the opposition recovers it wits, it would be too late.

If so, it isn’t working but I wouldn’t put it past them to be trying such a thing.

I suspect they overplayed the culture war approach. They assumed that enough Americans care as little about nonwhite children as they do that they could cast the Left’s objection to this policy as ‘pro-MS13’.

Anyone remember that summit that happened a week ago? The non-permanence of news that Trump encourages is a double-edged sword. Nobody remembers North Korea today.

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TedStriker  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:48:25pm

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

I suspect they overplayed the culture war approach. They assumed that enough Americans care as little about nonwhite children as they do that they could cast the Left’s objection to this policy as ‘pro-MS13’.

Anyone remember that summit that happened a week ago? The non-permanence of news that Trump encourages is a double-edged sword. Nobody remembers North Korea today.

The Gish Gallop presidency.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:48:29pm

re: #8 jaunte

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I fear that this is the reason Trump has dug in so hard on the policy now and is trying to blame Democrats. I feel like the backlash is enough that if he could soften or reverse it he would have, but something really fucking terrible has already happened behind the scenes that they’re desperately trying to cover up. This also might explain why they’ve been so reluctant to give access to the girls, because they’re afraid of what the girls will say.

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:49:30pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

If there haven’t been deaths yet, there will be.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:50:59pm

Leaving is probably a good idea when you plan on violating human rights.

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:52:08pm

Mayor of Houston with a practical suggestion:

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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:52:37pm
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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:53:16pm
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jaunte  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:53:48pm
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SteelPH  Jun 19, 2018 • 9:59:53pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

I can’t shake the feeling what they’d say would include this one word: Rape

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:03:44pm

re: #31 Single-handed sailor

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“James Comey is a straight shooter! A modern day super cop! He’ll bring Hillary to justice!”

Comey: “I got nothing.”

“Well, it’s obvious that Comey was on Hillary’s side all along and thus we need the OIG to investigate the FBI for obvious efforts to let her off the hook!”

Horowitz: “Yeah, I got nothing either.”

“IT’S OBVIOUS THIS IS ALL PART OF A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY AND WE NEED A SPECIAL COUNSEL IMMEDIATELY!!!!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:03:56pm

re: #31 Single-handed sailor

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Oh fuck me, I though that was the Onion.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:05:23pm

re: #36 Joe Bacon 🌹

“A brighter American Future”

I guess the “for rich white assholes” on the end was silent?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:07:10pm

re: #37 jaunte

Yeah, crisis actors. I know it’s stupid on its face but come on, when was the last time you tried to get a 3 year old to follow instructions?

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:07:50pm

re: #61 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, crisis actors. I know it’s stupid on its face but come on, when was the last time you tried to get a 3 year old to follow instructions?

2 things you don’t work with in Hollywood: Animals and kids.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:08:14pm

re: #61 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, crisis actors. I know it’s stupid on its face but come on, when was the last time you tried to get a 3 year old to follow instructions?

I’m sure Alex Jones will allege that those kids are shape shifting aliens and Ann Coulter will say that they are midgets.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:15:28pm

re: #6 jaunte

This is only the beginning.

Just wait until photos or videos get leaked.

We have a major problem building up.

yes, those whistleblowers will have to be prosecuted for violating their NDAs!

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:16:06pm

re: #8 jaunte

After forcibly separating non-verbal babies from their parents, the U.S. government reclassifies them as “unaccompanied alien children.”

“Unaccompanied.”

that is nothing short of state-sanctioned kidnapping

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:16:56pm

The speed of which the authoritarianism is coming at us is breakneck and almost unbearable.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:20:45pm

re: #66 teleskiguy

The speed of which the authoritarianism is coming at us is breakneck and almost unbearable.

and the manner in which it is being taken as a matter of course is even more unbearable

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:20:51pm

re: #66 teleskiguy

The speed of which the authoritarianism is coming at us is breakneck and almost unbearable.

I think it was roughly this time last year, if not earlier, that those of us who were sounding the alarm about Trump’s desires for fascism were told to stop being “alarmist.” That there would be too much public pushback against such things and there would be means of holding Trump back. That it would be a slow process and thus there was time to put a stop to it before he went too far.

Well, I hate to say “I told you so” to those folks, but…

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:21:38pm
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BeachDem  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:26:44pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

I think it was roughly this time last year, if not earlier, that those of us who were sounding the alarm about Trump’s desires for fascism were told to stop being “alarmist.” That there would be too much public pushback against such things and there would be means of holding Trump back. That it would be a slow process and thus there was time to put a stop to it before he went too far.

Well, I hate to say “I told you so” to those folks, but…

Tom Paxton’s “We Didn’t Know”

His liner notes (bolding mine)

“Begun in the London subway on the way to a Trafalgar Square peace march, this song is a reflection of my preoccupation with fascism and what makes it tick, particularly in some quarters here in America. The traditional German cop-out is all too easy to spot. With the soldiers it was obedience to orders; with the civilians it was variations on a theme of “I was never a Nazi” and “We had no idea of what was going on.”

In Mississippi we have families who “know nothing” of lynchings, beatings and murders. In any case, there is “nothing they can do to stop it.”

Even our establishment press has published pictures of South Vietnamese troops “interrogating” a captured Viet Cong with the help of the water torture, beating them and dispatching them with .45’s.

Tell me you support the government’s policy if you like, but don’t try to tell me you didn’t know what was going on.”

This time, we KNOW and we need to stop it.

We Didn’t Know

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:27:14pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

I think it was roughly this time last year, if not earlier, that those of us who were sounding the alarm about Trump’s desires for fascism were told to stop being “alarmist.”

Call it what you want, it is destructive and dangerous policy that has to be stopped.

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austin_blue  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:30:52pm

I think, at this point, the June 30th marches will be unnecessary. Drumpf will have to yank this policy or die in the polls. It’s just untenable.

In the meantime, it would be lovely if folks would put up signs leading to the KinderTodt facilities reading “Two Miles to Dachau”.

I know its hyperbole, but this needs to stop now, whatever it takes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:33:00pm

re: #72 austin_blue

I think, at this point, the June 30th marches will be unnecessary. Drumpf will have to yank this policy or die in the polls. It’s just untenable.

In the meantime, it would be lovely if folks would put up signs leading to the KinderTodt facilities reading “Two Miles to Dachau”.

I know its hyperbole, but this needs to stop now, whatever it takes.

repeated for the xth time: even if they change the policy tomorrow, they need to be made to own what they did, and continue to own it until every single child is returned

and from the looks of it, some of them are lost forever

so let them wear that rotting albatross forever

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:33:43pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:35:59pm

The problem is that Trump’s stupidity, his narcissism, and his ego are not acts, they’re totally part of his being. So when the courts tell him “No,” he doesn’t abide by the ruling and come at the problem a new way. He just repeats the action again and again, until the opposition gets tired and stops fighting. He doesn’t care that he’s blatantly defying the law, that’s how he got elected in the first place. While we’re counting on the courts to protect us, he’s subverting them long enough that he can pack the empty seats with his own picks. The damage he’s doing now will take months to years to sort out, by which time he’ll have caused another crisis and be in the planning stages for the next after that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:36:17pm

re: #74 Single-handed sailor

Cops plead ‘allow ICE employees to go home to their families’ after protesters blockade prison in Portland

why not just let the families come and join them at the facility?

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:36:28pm

First Colorado, now fire season in California.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:36:40pm

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

No compunction whatsoever calling my senator a nazi. None.

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freetoken  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:37:19pm

For all the comments about “optics”, non of this children-in-cages thing seems to be really moving Trump’s “approval” numbers:
polling.reuters.com

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Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:38:03pm

re: #79 freetoken

For all the comments about “optics”, non of this children-in-cages thing seems to be really moving Trump’s “approval” numbers:
polling.reuters.com

Most of these polls are reading the boost from his “success” in Singapore. Give it a week.

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freetoken  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:39:57pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

Consider me a pessimist, but Trump’s 40% support folk really don’t care what he does to migrant children.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:41:10pm

re: #81 freetoken

Some of them care. They *like* it.

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austin_blue  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:42:51pm

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

repeated for the xth time: even if they change the policy tomorrow, they need to be made to own what they did, and continue to own it until every single child is returned

and from the looks of it, some of them are lost forever

so let them wear that rotting albatross forever

Oh, absolutely. This is a complete disaster for the R’s in Congress, and their tacit support for it will kill them:

“When the President ripped children from their mother’s arms, did Representative Fuckwit say that it was wrong? No, he supported the President in his fascist response and ruining children’s lives.”

That’s not going to play in Peoria.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:42:52pm

re: #81 freetoken

Consider me a pessimist, but Trump’s 40% support folk really don’t care what he does to migrant children.

that is the point, they have a bloc of solid supporters and just need enough people who tacitly support them to gain enough votes for a majority.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:44:43pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

The damage he’s doing now will take months to years to sort out, by which time he’ll have caused another crisis and be in the planning stages for the next after that.

I am currently going by the rule of thumb that each year of Trump’s administration will cost us at least a decade to repair.

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austin_blue  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:45:58pm

re: #81 freetoken

Consider me a pessimist, but Trump’s 40% support folk really don’t care what he does to migrant children.

Well, no. They are born. Duh. Same as it ever was.

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teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:47:20pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jun 19, 2018 • 10:56:15pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:05:19pm
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austin_blue  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:12:03pm

The actions of this Administration are proof positive that the President Of The United States is a stone-cold sociopath. I don’t know how else to explain the policies he has put in place.

We are in an absolutely terrifying situation. We can resist this, or we can, as a people, capitulate to what is happening to the destruction of the American dream.

This is not what I was raised to believe. This is the opposite of what I was raised to believe, that America was the source of hope and goodness and grace.

This is evil incarnate and must be stopped.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:12:40pm
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Amory Blaine  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:14:23pm

It’s got the illuminati fringes on it!!!!111!!!ty

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Amory Blaine  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:14:46pm

I think in the end, we’ll have to answer hate, with hate.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:15:40pm

Once the squishy moderates learn that the fascists aren’t playing games, then we can rise to the occasion.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:16:53pm

re: #94 Amory Blaine

Once the squishy moderates learn that the fascists aren’t playing games, then we can rise to the occasion.

all those people who got ratfucked into voting for Jill Stein or not voting at all played no small role in letting this all happen

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Amory Blaine  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:18:58pm

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

all those people who got ratfucked into voting for Jill Stein or not voting at all played no small role in letting this all happen

The larger role was played by the conservatives. They don’t react well to kindness and understanding. They will have to be taught.

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Kragar  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:21:38pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:23:06pm

re: #96 Amory Blaine

The larger role was played by the conservatives. They don’t react well to kindness and understanding. They will have to be taught.

of course.

there is that 30% rabid base for whom no excesses are to extreme in the name of (white) America First

and that is the calculation that the GOP is working with: they know that their base will get out and vote. They just need to get another 20% of the voters to go along with them and they have a sufficient majority to stay in power.

Apathy and indifference are the best forms of voter suppression for them.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:32:24pm

re: #91 Ace-o-aces

You know who else likes to hug and kiss the flag?

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:33:55pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:35:24pm

re: #100 JordanRules

Limited government = a low corporate tax rate and a sprawling archipelago of baby internment centers whose owners make significant political donations

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:35:53pm

So true.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:37:50pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:38:24pm

One of the new Democratic Congress’s first items should be a bill to abolish private prisons. The very idea should offend any decent person. Only the state has the right to imprison people, so only the state should have responsibility for them. Private profit from incarceration encourages incarceration and is inherently unjust. There are people who lobby for longer sentences specifically to increase the profits of these slave-dealers. That is abomination and must come to a screeching halt.

Texas IS turning blue but defeating the monsters at the polls will not be enough. Payback must be comprehensive, harsh, and permanent. The policy of reconciliation after the Civil War was a dreadful mistake, a kindness to the cruel that has brought endless cruelty to the innocent, right up to the present day. Don’t repeat that mistake.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:40:26pm
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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:43:16pm

re: #104 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

One of the new Democratic Congress’s first items should be a bill to abolish private prisons. The very idea should offend any decent person. Only the state has the right to imprison people, so only the state should have responsibility for them. Private profit from incarceration encourages incarceration and is inherently unjust. There are people who lobby for longer sentences specifically to increase the profits of these slave-dealers. That is abomination and must come to a screeching halt.

Texas IS turning blue but defeating the monsters at the polls will not be enough. Payback must be comprehensive, harsh, and permanent. The policy of reconciliation after the Civil War was a dreadful mistake, a kindness to the cruel that has brought endless cruelty to the innocent, right up to the present day. Don’t repeat that mistake.

We have to get it right this time, for the first time.
Confederates, Wallace-Strom-Jim Crow, Nixon, Iran Contra, Bush 2

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:44:22pm
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Teukka  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:46:26pm

re: #6 jaunte

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:48:14pm
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freetoken  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:50:22pm

re: #108 Teukka

The Miller/Trump tactic was clearly to use cruelty as a means to implement their vision of who was an appropriate immigrant or not.

Perhaps Trump will succeed. I’m not convinced that Trump will change his goals until he is physically removed from office. Miller may come up with another tactic and Trump may switch to that, but the goal will be the same.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:51:43pm
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Lupin  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:54:32pm

Stan Lee & Jack Kirby

From comics to reality in one generation.

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JordanRules  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:55:28pm

Fuck.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:56:24pm
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freetoken  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:57:22pm

Lots of rain in the middle part of the country, more flooding.

Early this morning the satellite image showed a large low pressure center in Montana that was looking like an extra-tropical cyclone, complete with rotating rain bands. Quite impressive.

Anyway, lots of flooding.

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Teukka  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:58:27pm

re: #109 JordanRules

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“I wouldn’t call it a war exactly. That suggests both sides stand an equal chance of winning”
[— Emma Frost, X-Men: First class]

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 19, 2018 • 11:58:54pm

re: #110 freetoken

The Miller/Trump tactic was clearly to use cruelty as a means to implement their vision of who was an appropriate immigrant or not.

Perhaps Trump will succeed. I’m not convinced that Trump will change his goals until he is physically removed from office. Miller may come up with another tactic and Trump may switch to that, but the goal will be the same.

It was supposed to function as a “deterrent”.

That does not seem to be working, immigrants and refugees are still coming.

It was meant to show their resolve in “defending our borders”

It has wound up convincing a lot of Americans (outside the rabid base) that Trump has gone too far. I think that even people who generally accept his immigration policies view family separation as inhumane.

And nobody is accepting their excuse that this policy was imposed on them.

Or that it is justified by the Bible anywhere at all.

Except maybe Psalms 137:9

Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:02:17am

re: #110 freetoken

The Miller/Trump tactic was clearly to use cruelty as a means to implement their vision of who was an appropriate immigrant or not.

Perhaps Trump will succeed. I’m not convinced that Trump will change his goals until he is physically removed from office. Miller may come up with another tactic and Trump may switch to that, but the goal will be the same.

Yes indeed. The goal will be the same.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:05:47am

re: #117 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Actually Trump’s disapproval rating has improved over the last 10 days by 3.8%, from -11.4% to -7.6%. America is a fucked up country.

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:06:54am

I’m waiting for a Reuters/Pew/Gallup poll asking Americans about whether they agree with the Trump’s policy of separating immigrant children.

I’ve not yet seen one. Any of you?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:07:11am

re: #119 Single-handed sailor

Actually Trump’s disapproval rating has improved over the last 10 days by 3.8%, from -11.4% to -7.6%. America is a fucked up country.

Let us see how this plays out in the mid-terms.

The GOP must be made to own this fiasco until ALL the children are reunited.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:07:56am

re: #120 freetoken

I’m waiting for a Reuters/Pew/Gallup poll asking Americans about whether they agree with the Trump’s policy of separating immigrant children.

I’ve not yet seen one. Any of you?

I have read a figure that 67% of Americans disagree, which basically means everyone outside the rabid pro-Trump base.

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:08:27am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

linky?

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:10:42am
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Single-handed sailor  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:12:53am

re: #123 freetoken

linky?

cnn.com

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Kragar  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:13:28am
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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:22:32am

re: #125 Single-handed sailor

Thanks.

Once again, I have to ask about the self-reporting of label-identification.

Who is left that declares themselves “Republican”?

I suspect the “Independent” category includes more and more former-Republicans.

The polling data CNN uses is on page 15 here:

Although the pollster claims there were 1012 respondents, I cannot find a more detailed breakdown.

So while 58% of Republicans claimed to approve of the policy, we don’t know how that translates into the American population as a whole, as we don’t know how the selection bias of the polling worked.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:28:26am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:28:36am

re: #127 freetoken

Thanks.

Once again, I have to ask about the self-reporting of label-identification.

Who is left that declares themselves “Republican”?

I suspect the “Independent” category includes more and more former-Republicans.

The polling data CNN uses is on page 15 here:
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Although the pollster claims there were 1012 respondents, I cannot find a more detailed breakdown.

So while 58% of Republicans claimed to approve of the policy, we don’t know how that translates into the American population as a whole, as we don’t know how the selection bias of the polling worked.

In my experience, “Independent” used to mean: “Too stupid or oblivious to know or care what’s going on in the world around them”.

Now it means: “Don’t believe anything the extremely liberal FOX News tells you! Here are some websites that will clue you in. Do your research!”

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:32:05am

re: #129 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, the response to the poll question is almost the same between “Democrats” and “Independents”, which tells me that the latter group is more like the former, only for some reason the latter group has a problem with the brand of “Democrat”.

We live in an America now which has undergone a century of social engineering by Madison Ave., where the concept of “brand” has now become paramount.

See Donald Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:32:50am

re: #127 freetoken

Thanks.

Once again, I have to ask about the self-reporting of label-identification.

Who is left that declares themselves “Republican”?

Same applies to “Christian”

In Germany, for example, religion is a matter of official record, there is a (voluntary) church tax, if you are signed up to pay it, you are either Catholic or Lutheran.

Which does not at all account for those who do not pay whether they are Muslim, some other religion/denomination or agnostic/atheist.

I am a card-carrying Lutheran living in a mostly Catholic village.

Why?

So I could enroll my daughter in a Catholic high school.

Long story. A lot of history involved.Going back to the Reformation, even.

Basically, there were two high schools available in the region, one was public and co-ed, one was Catholic and all-girl (a remnant of a time when the other school accepted only boys).

We checked out the two and found that the all-girl school simply had better teachers and facilities.

But in order to enroll our daughter there, one parent had to be a church tax payer (not necessarily Catholic).

Now in our previous village (which was Protestant) we were not members of the church but actively participated in their annual kiddie Christmas service in the village chapel and were on a first-name basis with the minister.

My wife had not been baptized at all but my dear mom had sent my certificate of (Catholic) baptism along with my birth certificate so I went to see the minister and asked her to sign me up as a Lutheran.

Which I remain to this day.

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:35:46am

The NYT and their headlines:

A Crusader Against Voter Fraud Fails to Prove His Case

No, NYT, Kobach is not a “crusader against voter fraud”.

Kobach is a crusader against brown people.

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:38:23am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:41:33am

re: #132 freetoken

The NYT and their headlines:

A Crusader Against Voter Fraud Fails to Prove His Case

No, NYT, Kobach is not a “crusader against voter fraud”.

Kobach is a crusader against brown people.

I always tell my kids the example of the headline:

Man Throws Baby out of Window

Followed by an article about how a man runs into a burning house to rescue a baby by tossing it out of a window to the rescue crews waiting below.

This is a fine example of that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:46:04am

re: #127 freetoken

Thanks.

Once again, I have to ask about the self-reporting of label-identification.

Who is left that declares themselves “Republican”?

I suspect the “Independent” category includes more and more former-Republicans.

The polling data CNN uses is on page 15 here:
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Although the pollster claims there were 1012 respondents, I cannot find a more detailed breakdown.

So while 58% of Republicans claimed to approve of the policy, we don’t know how that translates into the American population as a whole, as we don’t know how the selection bias of the polling worked.

“Independent” also grew as a class as the Iraq debacle under GW Bush developed.

My term for “independent” is temporarily embarrassed Republican.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:47:56am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:50:13am

re: #135 Anymouse 🌹

“Independent” also grew as a class as the Iraq debacle under GW Bush developed.

My term for “independent” is temporarily embarrassed Republican.

Now I recall that there were a lot of “Independents” who got upset that they could not vote for Bernie in closed-primary states as well…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:56:54am

re: #137 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Now I recall that there were a lot of “Independents” who got upset that they could not vote for Bernie in closed-primary states as well…

One of the village board members here was complaining (she claims she is a “no labels” person and is registered as independent, though she leans toward liberal issues) she could only get the “independent” primary ballot, which only has a few choices.

Nebraska is an open-primary state. If you wish to vote in a different primary than the party you are registered with, all you have to do is turn in your unmarked ballot and ask for another.

We had a discussion over that. I do not favour open primaries. Parties are essentially associations protected by the I Amendment.

I offered her an example: Suppose we had a rose club in town, and a chrysanthemum club. There are also other flower-growers who grow other flowers and aren’t members of either club.

Why should any of those people be able to select candidates for the boards of the two flower clubs if they are not members?

That analogy seemed lost on her, though our Republican village attorney thought it was a good analogy. (I don’t think I should be picking Republican candidates, he doesn’t think he should be picking Democratic ones.)

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:59:39am

Forgive me if this has been mentioned downstairs, but its pretty huge: Canada has legalized weed!

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wheat-dogg  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:02:05am

re: #139 Big Beautiful Door

Forgive me if this has been mentioned downstairs, but its pretty huge: Canada has legalized weed!

But they don’t have shoes. What’s up with that?

//

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:02:49am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:03:05am

re: #140 wheat-dogg

But they don’t have shoes. What’s up with that?

//

They just forgot where they left them.

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sagehen  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:03:31am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I always tell my kids the example of the headline:

Man Throws Baby out of Window

Followed by an article about how a man runs into a burning house to rescue a baby by tossing it out of a window to the rescue crews waiting below.

This is a fine example of that.

The example I was taught is…

The guy who sliced open your mother might be a murderer.
Then again, he might be a surgeon.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:05:54am

re: #139 Big Beautiful Door

Forgive me if this has been mentioned downstairs, but its pretty huge: Canada has legalized weed!

My trip to Canada this summer is sounding better.

For that matter, so’s my trip to Denver on Thursday.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:07:57am

re: #144 Anymouse 🌹

My trip to Canada this summer is sounding better.

For that matter, so’s my trip to Denver on Thursday.

I myself haven’t partaken since the eighties, but I think keeping it illegal is an immensely stupid policy.

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:12:10am

Always looking for ways to push one of my favorite Pages, the one on Oktar:

Unfortunately, the company hosting the mini-expose is itself full of derp. And the author is someone with only one note to play, regardless of the plethora of issues in play:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:16:38am

re: #138 Anymouse 🌹

We had a discussion over that. I do not favour open primaries. Parties are essentially associations protected by the I Amendment.

This is what happens when you do not teach Civics in grade school…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:17:45am

re: #140 wheat-dogg

But they don’t have shoes. What’s up with that?

//

they scuff ‘em up to smuggle them in

they treat us really bad

their prime minister makes our president look weak before a key summit

they burned washington in 1812

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:19:08am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they scuff ‘em up to smuggle them in

they treat us really bad

their prime minister makes our president look weak before a key summit

they burned washington in 1812

They could dump maple syrup in the Upper Niagara river and clog the Falls. /s

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:22:12am

re: #145 Big Beautiful Door

I myself haven’t partaken since the eighties, but I think keeping it illegal is an immensely stupid policy.

in Germany it is still illegal but decriminalized, you pretty much have to go out of your way to get busted if you are not a commercial-level dealer.

Which just means that they are missing out on a lot of revenue. Netherlands have had it sorted for decades with their coffee shops.

Problem here is the German sense of Order and Organization. Some insist that as a drug, it would have to be sold in pharmacies.

And needless to say, the alcohol lobby here is dead set against it.

Still, I recall a great photo caption quoting a Bavarian minister opposing legalization while sitting at a table at Okoberfest with a 1-liter beer stein in front of him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:23:10am

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹

They could dump maple syrup in the Upper Niagara river and clog the Falls. /s

They could refuse to take their Nickle Back

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:25:15am

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

in Germany it is still illegal but decriminalized, you pretty much have to go out of your way to get busted if you are not a commercial-level dealer.

Which just means that they are missing out on a lot of revenue. Netherlands have had it sorted for decades with their coffee shops.

Problem here is the German sense of Order and organization. Some insist that as a drug, it would have to be sold in pharmacies.

And needless to say, the alcohol lobby here is dead set against it.

Still, I recall a great photo caption quoting a Bavarian minister opposing legalization while sitting at a table at Okoberfest with a 1-liter beer stein in front of him.

When you think about all the people dying from alcoholism, alcohol poisoning and drunk driving, its just ridiculous to demonize weed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:27:31am

re: #152 Big Beautiful Door

When you think about all the people dying from alcoholism, alcohol poisoning and drunk driving, its just ridiculous to demonize weed.

It is simply a matter of cultural bias and economic interests, this attitude is slowly passing with time.

Basically, almost anyone born after 1960 is in favor of legalization.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:35:00am

re: #52 Single-handed sailor

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Leaving is probably a good idea when you plan on violating human rights.

Who the hell does Haley think she’s fooling? Right now, the administration is abusing migrant children but Haley is trying to pretend that Trump is all about human rights? Please!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:39:20am

I can flatten Canadian jingoists, aggressors, and would-be conquerors with this:

“We have Buddy Holly, you have Justin Bieber.”

“But Justin Bieber is still alive!” they object.

“That’s an advantage?” I ask.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:40:35am
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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:41:21am

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I can flatten Canadian jingoists, aggressors, and would-be conquerors with this:

“We have Buddy Holly, you have Justin Bieber.”

“But Justin Bieber is still alive!” they object.

“That’s an advantage?” I ask.

I mean, I feel like you can save Buddy for a more worthy battle.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:42:21am

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:44:44am

re: #157 JordanRules

I mean, I feel like you can save Buddy for a more worthy battle.

I’ll be spending a very very long time within shouting distance of Buddy, though neither of us will be doing much shouting: My future gravesite is within 300 feet of his at the City of Lubbock Cemetery.

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:48:26am

re: #156 Single-handed sailor

The ocean entry location footage is quite dramatic.

USGS is now showing 4 fissures active:
Image: image-487.jpg

I thought fissure 6 had finished, but apparently not so.

Looks like about a 1.5 miles of new coastline.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:50:36am

re: #160 freetoken

The ocean entry location footage is quite dramatic.

USGS is now showing 4 fissures active:
Image: image-487.jpg

I thought fissure 6 had finished, but apparently not so.

Looks like about a 1.5 miles of new coastline.

I guess the state owns the new real estate? One of the few places where they are making more land!

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:52:45am

re: #102 Single-handed sailor

More like:

When you have to go on TV to explain the one obscure nuance between your party and the Nazis, congratulations, you’re a Nazi.

Especially when you were wrong about that one obscure nuance.

I start to write something, get so far in and then just back out of it. I am pretty much incoherently angry about just about everything that is going on in Trump’s America. It’s impossible to find where to start to express myself and where to end since the bullshit from Trump and his party has covered just about everything. All I know is that the Republican party is dead to me and my family and I am letting everyone I know hear exactly that. I’m not even arguing with anyone about it, nor do I want to discuss it. All I say is that if I have to explain it to them then I’m not going to waste my time trying to convince people who are looking for reasons to not be convinced.

I haven’t lost a friend over this but a friend of my wife has told her that my talking about politics made her uncomfortable. My wife told her that it’s our house and we talk politics all of the time here so that’s just the way it is. When my wife told me about this I told her that since her friend voted for Trump (because her husband wanted her to, as she had told my wife), she would do well to take the wise words of some fellow Trump supporters she voted with to heart:

Fuck Your Feelings.

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:55:41am

re: #161 Big Beautiful Door

I guess the state owns the new real estate? One of the few places where they are making more land!

The Ayn-Rand-cultists have been arguing over this.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:57:17am

re: #163 freetoken

The Ayn-Rand-cultists have been arguing over this.

Really? Who do they think should get it, the first person who hot foots it over the cooling lava?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:57:47am

re: #163 freetoken

The Ayn-Rand-cultists have been arguing over this.

What are they arguing? That they have to find the most deserving rich person to give it to?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:58:48am

re: #162 Odie Hugh Manatee

More like:


I start to write something, get so far in and then just back out of it. I am pretty much incoherently angry about just about everything that is going on in Trump’s America.

When it comes to FB I just delete everything political and block people who get carried away. I do not post or even comment on such things.

I come to places like this to vent my politics.

When it comes to private discussions, I just state my opinion that I do not think Trump is qualified as he had no experience or record of public service and that we know too little about his private business record.

When people insist that is why they voted for him, I know that it is time to end the discussion.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:59:36am

re: #165 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What are they arguing? That they have to find the most deserving rich person to give it to?

stick a flag in the hot lava and declare it an independent country

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Teukka  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:02:59am

Just thinking a show of contempt anyone can do when Trump goes by:
Simply turn your back to him.

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:08:52am

re: #165 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What are they arguing? That they have to find the most deserving rich person to give it to?

Birchers say:

Who Owns New Land in Hawaii Created by Kilauea?

[…]

There is another side to the debate, though. This position holds that new ground created within the territory of a state belongs to the state, not to the federal government.

[…]

The bottom line, then, whether Kilauea creates one acre of new land or a thousand, is this: The insistence that the land was retroactively ceded to the federal government when Hawaii became a state notwithstanding, the Constitution, common law, and relevant Supreme Court rulings point in another direction — that of state ownership.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:09:36am

Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade is on one of my cable stations. Not bad for my insomnia fueled, wee hours watching. I’ve seen it so many times but on this viewing I noticed one of the Nazis looks like a perfect Steve King-Jeff Sessions hybrid.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:19:23am

re: #170 JordanRules

That would warm the cockles of their hearts to hear that they look like a Nazi — one of those good people Trump raved about after Charlottesville.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:21:57am

From a BBC article on the President meeting with GOP leadership over family separation:

The president said in the meeting that separating parents and children was “certainly not an attractive thing and does look bad”, Representative Tom Cole said

So his issue is that it does not look good. Not that it is an inhumane abomination.

The entire GOP needs to saddled with this until every single child has been reunited.

Which might not even happen as several seem to have slipped through the cracks.

Which is fine, let them wear this albatross forever.

If they can still rage at Hillary about Benghazi and e-mails, then we should not shut up about missing children.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:37:55am

re: #139 Big Beautiful Door

Forgive me if this has been mentioned downstairs, but its pretty huge: Canada has legalized weed!

Meanwhile, in Wississippi:

Leah Vukmir Booed at Wisconsin medical marijuana hearing.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:38:24am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:40:43am

re: #174 Single-handed sailor

Exclusive: US officials likely lost track of nearly 6,000 unaccompanied migrant kids

This is nothing short of state-sanctioned kidnapping and should be branded as such…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:42:04am

From BBC article above:

A new Reuters/Ipsos national opinion poll suggests that most Americans oppose the [family separation] policy, with only 28% of those interviewed supporting it.

That indicates that not even all of Trump’s base is cool with what he is doing.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:43:26am

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is nothing short of state-sanctioned kidnapping and should be branded as such…

Holy Lindbergh Law, Batman!

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:45:05am

Stealing this, “If only there were some way to find out aboot his mental state two years ago, eh?”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:45:42am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

From BBC article above:

A new Reuters/Ipsos national opinion poll suggests that most Americans oppose the [family separation] policy, with only 28% of those interviewed supporting it.

That indicates that not even all of Trump’s base is cool with what he is doing.

27-28%, The Crazification Factor™. Shows up every time. That’s his base, right there.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:48:59am

re: #170 JordanRules

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:50:10am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t do social media, nor does my wife. We do real life so this is up close and in their face, as it should be. I think my wife’s friend is uncomfortable with me talking about politics because she can’t scroll past it or block it.

That’s the idea… :)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:50:46am

re: #179 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

27-28%, The Crazification Factor™. Shows up every time. That’s his base, right there.

And that was the basis on which the GOP ran Trump: they knew that they had that much of the vote sewed up, and that they would all flock to the polls in support. They just needed another 23% of voters to go along and they had more than enough for a majority.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:52:52am

re: #181 Odie Hugh Manatee

I don’t do social media, nor does my wife. We do real life so this is up close and in their face, as it should be. I think my wife’s friend is uncomfortable with me talking about politics because she can’t scroll past it or block it.

That’s the idea… :)

I am just guarded in expressing my opinion on Trump and to tell you the truth, I don’t like to discuss it to any great extent even among people who don’t like him - other than to state again that I find him unqualified both in terms of experience and personal character for the office of Chief Executive.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:53:58am

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And that was the basis on which the GOP ran Trump: they knew that they had that much of the vote sewed up, and that they would all flock to the polls in support. They just needed another 23% of voters to go along and they had more than enough for a majority.

Their major hope is to disenfranchise enough voters that turnout falls below 56%, which is the point where their 28%—who always vote—add up to half the electorate.

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LastYearsMan  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:58:22am

This is some ominous speculation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 2:59:57am

re: #184 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Their major hope is to disenfranchise enough voters that turnout falls below 56%, which is the point where their 28%—who always vote—add up to half the electorate.

apathy and indifference are the best forms of voter suppression

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jun 20, 2018 • 3:06:09am

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I normally avoid discussing politics with anyone but my wife, kids and other family. The problem is that we are not in normal times any more and I’m out of fucks left to give. One advantage I have is that people respect my opinion in my line of business. I have a reputation for knowing my shit that my friends and customers have learned to depend on. In addition I am knowledgeable in several other fields and have helped friends and customers with other problems not related to my current line of work. IOW, I know my shit about shit and I think that’s one of the reasons I’m not getting much push back on what I am saying.

That and pissing off one of the few good computer techs in a small town probably isn’t a very good idea. ;)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2018 • 3:07:58am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

apathy and indifference are the best forms of voter suppression

And they’ve always been able to count on that, through three generations at least. But I’m getting a different vibe from today’s crop of 18-year-olds—not just the Parkland kids, but they’re the poster children (ha!) for it. Things may turn around yet.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 3:13:18am

re: #188 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And they’ve always been able to count on that, through three generations at least. But I’m getting a different vibe from today’s crop of 18-year-olds—not just the Parkland kids, but they’re the poster children (ha!) for it. Things may turn around yet.

Sad to say that it took some kids getting shot and others getting lost, but it might finally be enough to do the trick.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 3:15:38am

re: #187 Odie Hugh Manatee

I normally avoid discussing politics with anyone but my wife, kids and other family. The problem is that we are not in normal times any more and I’m out of fucks left to give.

It is a matter of personal choice. I actually do not have much contact with Trump supporters where I live, but I avoid it among family members (my brother in Valparaiso, Indiana is rabidly pro-Trump) and even among people who oppose him I do see much to discuss: what he is doing is obvious to anyone who is not a rabid supporter.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jun 20, 2018 • 3:16:19am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That’s exactly what I said yesterday the son of a friend who were visiting. They are natives (Tolowa tribe) and thus cynical of anything to do with voting. I hope I convinced them otherwise. When I described what our government was doing to families the kid called the prisons what they are, “concentration camps”. He put that together from my description and you can tell it hit him hard. I told him that those people are depending on people like him, his Dad and me to stop these atrocities.

I’m hoping he registers to vote. His Dad is but admits that he needs to step up and vote every time. We need to push people to the polls because the knuckle-dragging 27% contingent sure isn’t open to having their minds changed any time soon.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 20, 2018 • 3:22:22am

re: #168 Teukka

Just thinking a show of contempt anyone can do when Trump goes by:
Simply turn your back to him.

In some communities, this is called “shunning.” The person being shunned is no longer considered part of the community — a persona non grata, as it were.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 3:24:29am

re: #192 wheat-dogg

In some communities, this is called “shunning.” The person being shunned is no longer considered part of the community — a persona non grata, as it were.

too many people fawn over him, and they are the only ones that matter to him

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2018 • 3:26:28am

re: #192 wheat-dogg

In some communities, this is called “shunning.” The person being shunned is no longer considered part of the community — a persona non grata, as it were.

Study the way the Klingons do it—crossing your arms on your chest one at a time: “Slap!” “Slap!” then pivoting around on one leg in a continuous motion. Get people to practice in groups. Do it wherever he shows up.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2018 • 3:28:46am

re: #194 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Here we go:

Discommendation

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 3:43:09am

re: #174 Single-handed sailor

Is this a recycling of the old “lost” 6000 kid story? I thought that item was about children who were simply no longer being followed by the government, which I thought we all concluded was a good thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 3:45:04am

re: #196 freetoken

Is this a recycling of the old “lost” 6000 kid story? I thought that item was about children who were simply no longer being followed by the government, which I thought we all concluded was a good thing.

I have read that the figure is a bit unclear based on what we are looking at, but until every child that we separated from their families has been reunited, we cannot let this story go.

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 3:47:29am

re: #197 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I thought that there were two stories: 1) the forced separation policy, and 2) that ICE places or follows children otherwise not accompanied as they are placed in foster care.

The latter does not necessarily stem from the former, though the two could overlap.

I thought we all agreed that the government should not be tracking children who have been (rightly) placed in foster care?

Were there not tweets by activists pleading with us to not try to confuse the two scenarios?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 3:49:54am

re: #198 freetoken

I thought that there were two stories: 1) the forced separation policy, and 2) that ICE places or follows children otherwise not accompanied as they are placed in foster care.

The latter does not necessarily stem from the former, though the two could overlap.

I thought we all agreed that the government should not be tracking children who have been (rightly) placed in foster care?

Were there not tweets by activists pleading with us to not try to confuse the two scenarios?

Confusion and obfustication only serve the people who have things to hide.

I am concerned about children separated from parents by ICE who might not be returned.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 20, 2018 • 4:07:06am

re: #185 LastYearsMan

This is some ominous speculation.

Yep. We can’t emphasize that enough. Cruz and Cornyn know something and it has them so spooked they are almost falling over each other to bail on an administration to which they have been embarrassingly loyal so far.

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jeffreyw  Jun 20, 2018 • 4:18:54am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 4:27:30am

re: #200 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

As I tweeted yesterday, it is not a coincidence that the 2 Texas senators, Cruz and Cornyn, neither humanitarians, were first to want to introduce legislation. Things are very much worse than we know yet - but they know the horrors. We have only seen boys, no girls or babies.

again, even if they fix this tomorrow, they need to be forced to own up to what they have done and to see to it that ALL those separated children are reunited with their families

and not given a moment’s rest or respite until they are

if they can drag e-mails and Benghazi out for years, then we need to do the same with missing children

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 20, 2018 • 4:32:47am

Huh? What? Gluten-free rifles? Are the food police into everything now?
OH! G-L-I-T-C-H free. I see from the comments I am not the only way to make that error.

Facebook Post

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 4:35:06am

re: #203 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Huh? What? Gluten-free rifles? Are the food police into everything now?
OH! G-L-I-T-C-H free. I see from the comments I am not the only way to make that error.

just shows how pre-programmed we are to react to certain things

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2018 • 4:36:43am

The M-16 is glitch-free? And it only took 55 years!

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:05:15am

America’s religion delusions spill over into the pressing issue of the day:

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:07:25am

Another example:

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Citizen K  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:08:23am

re: #206 freetoken

America’s religion delusions spill over into the pressing issue of the day:

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We have a large portion of the country that absolutely loves this policy precisely for its racism and cruelty, and another who might disapprove but not enough to break the fever of ‘TRIGGER THE FUCKING LIBS FOR AMERICA’.

I’m not sure we’re going to recover from this even in my lifetime at this rate.

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:11:16am

Ah, evangelicals, the people who argue that Christ is totally okay with being a total dick to others, and then wonder why so many young folks are turning away from the Church.

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sagehen  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:13:02am

thread

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:15:56am

re: #210 sagehen

thread

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Nice of you to join us in the pool, Steve, but it took you awhile to notice what was pretty evident to the rest of us ages ago.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:16:43am
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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:17:32am

Someone needs to copy the new Matt Bors cartoon over. It’s perfect: dailykos.com

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:18:32am

re: #210 sagehen

thread

There’s a flip.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:19:35am

re: #209 Targetpractice

Ah, evangelicals, the people who argue that Christ is totally okay with being a total dick to others, and then wonder why so many young folks are turning away from the Church.

As human beings, we definitely don’t need a god to tell us to be dicks. The point of a moral god is to get us to not be ones.

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:22:12am

re: #213 Belafon

Someone needs to copy the new Matt Bors cartoon over. It’s perfect: dailykos.com

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:23:01am

re: #213 Belafon

Someone needs to copy the new Matt Bors cartoon over. It’s perfect: dailykos.com

And in case you want to RT.

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:23:43am

By the way, I know there are going to be voices who rush in and tell me to be nice to Steve, he’s “seen the light” or what have you and “we need him to beat Trump.”

All I can say is two words: “Good German.”

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sagehen  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:28:02am

re: #185 LastYearsMan

This is some ominous speculation.

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Two hypotheses:

1) Ceausescu-era Romanian orphanages.
2) The basement of a pizza shop

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:33:25am

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

I fear that this is the reason Trump has dug in so hard on the policy now and is trying to blame Democrats. I feel like the backlash is enough that if he could soften or reverse it he would have, but something really fucking terrible has already happened behind the scenes that they’re desperately trying to cover up. This also might explain why they’ve been so reluctant to give access to the girls, because they’re afraid of what the girls will say.

HoarseWhisperer wrote about it yesterday:

There’s a serious flaw in Trump that will not let him back off of this because he thinks he will be seen as weak if he does. The only way this is going to get fixed is if the court or Congress does something, and that means, at a minimum, after the election.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:34:25am

re: #218 Targetpractice

His votes are needed. That’s the best thing I can say. It shouldn’t have taken THIS shit to convince anyone that Trump and the GOP are evil, mean and stupid. Not to mention greedy and cowards. But here we are. I will always take what he says with a grain of salt, but the fact that he couldn’t just say he’s a Democrat now is weird to me. Why leave the door open?

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:37:29am

re: #218 Targetpractice

By the way, I know there are going to be voices who rush in and tell me to be nice to Steve, he’s “seen the light” or what have you and “we need him to beat Trump.”

All I can say is two words: “Good German.”

I cannot forgive him or Nicole Wallace. Sorry, I just can’t and I never will be able to.

These people were responsible for grooming Palin. How do you just let that go? You can’t.

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:39:29am

re: #221 A Mom Anon

His votes are needed. That’s the best thing I can say. It shouldn’t have taken THIS shit to convince anyone that Trump and the GOP are evil, mean and stupid. Not to mention greedy and cowards. But here we are. I will always take what he says with a grain of salt, but the fact that he couldn’t just say he’s a Democrat now is weird to me. Why leave the door open?

Because he’s not being sincere. This isn’t a man who has looked at his party and seen that it is evil and wrong, it’s a man who looks at Trump and decides that he doesn’t want to be associated with him. Trust me, Steve’s “born again” experience will end the day that Donny is gone from the White House.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:39:40am

re: #207 freetoken

Another example:

Thankfully rightwing pastors never called President Obama “evil” for doing his job to help ensure the health and welfare of Americans.

///

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:41:57am

re: #109 JordanRules

“Why won’t the left stay wishy-washy?” - Tucker

So, they’re starting to notice we’re not as soft as they though.

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Chrysicat  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:43:30am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:43:46am

re: #109 JordanRules

Liberals don’t stand for anything!

Liberals are so intolerant and inflexible!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:44:28am

re: #225 Belafon

“Why won’t the left stay wishy-washy?” - Tucker

So, they’re starting to notice we’re not as soft as they though.

“Why won’t liberals just shutup?!”

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:46:41am

Think of the TPers, the sudden surge in “independent” voters around ‘08-09 and the sudden fascination with libertarianism around the same period. When you see cases of age-old Republicans who suddenly “break away” from the party, they’re not doing it because of political differences, they’re doing it because the figurehead has become toxic and they fear the damage to their own reputations by association. Trump may have beat Dubya’s record in reaching that point, but the song-and-dance from the people who kept silent or even consented to his election in the first place is no different.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:51:02am

re: #207 freetoken

Another example:

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Abortion is also legal. Same sex marriage also legal but you object to those two.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:51:48am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

Abortion is also legal. Same sex marriage also legal but you object to those two.

Those examples are completely different because shutup.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:52:20am

re: #222 MsJ

I cannot forgive him or Nicole Wallace. Sorry, I just can’t and I never will be able to.

These people were responsible for grooming Palin. How do you just let that go? You can’t.

I can forgive them; Sarah did not become Vice President and they both regretted their involvement with her. Sarah isn’t responsible for Trump. It is the RW media and RW billionaires who have converted the GOP into the party of Trump: Sarah was neither a member of the media or wealthy.

If Nicole and Steve revert to type after Trump is gone, that is another story but we need all the allies we can find and they have been consistently against the evil of this man.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:54:21am

re: #207 freetoken

Another example:

RWNJ now: “Our great American President can never be called evil”

RWNJ:1993-2000; 2009-2016: “The Democrat president is evil and trying to destroy America.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:54:42am

I’m of two minds on Schmidt’s switch. I’m honestly glad he seems genuinely bothered by what’s going on but I think too many people like him especially in the Republican professional campaign aide community i.e him and Wilson are blind to what the GOP was before Trump too. I do welcome anyone who can help us defeat this but at the same time, some people should merit some eyebrows especially if they’re like Schmidt and why someone like Palin a prototype for Trump if there was one who they pushed to make VP.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:56:12am

re: #232 Hecuba’s daughter

I can forgive them; Sarah did not become Vice President and they both regretted their involvement with her. Sarah isn’t responsible for Trump. It is the RW media and RW billionaires who have converted the GOP into the party of Trump: Sarah was neither a member of the media or wealthy.

If Nicole and Steve revert to type after Trump is gone, that is another story but we need all the allies we can find and they have been consistently against the evil of this man.

It’s not that simple. As for Sarah, she’s definitely responsible. You’re missing how much as VP nominee she whipped those crowds into questioning Obama’s love of our country.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:56:47am

re: #233 Sir John Barron

RWNJ now: “Our great American President can never be called evil”

RWNJ:1993-2000; 2009-2016: “The Democrat president is evil and trying to destroy America.”

Exactly

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:56:48am

re: #185 LastYearsMan

This is some ominous speculation.

It could also be that Beto is doing far better than they thought (these aren’t mutually exclusive) and they need to find a way to reverse it. Cruz gets replaced by Beto and the grip of Republicans on Texas will fall apart.

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:57:16am

re: #232 Hecuba’s daughter

I can forgive them; Sarah did not become Vice President and they both regretted their involvement with her. Sarah isn’t responsible for Trump. It is the RW media and RW billionaires who have converted the GOP into the party of Trump: Sarah was neither a member of the media or wealthy.

If Nicole and Steve revert to type after Trump is gone, that is another story but we need all the allies we can find and they have been consistently against the evil of this man.

And how long before we get another round of moaning from our new “allies” that we need to work to get their votes by altering our proposals and beliefs to suit theirs? Are they actually changing their political views or just their association with the guy in the Oval Office?

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:57:39am

re: #232 Hecuba’s daughter

re: #234 HappyWarrior

And once (if) Trump is gone from the GOP, the GOP will still be the GOP and both will be back in the fold.

Just like all the editorial writers who have been brutal recently.

Give me 10 years. Maybe if they really have seen the light I can forgive. Right now, no way.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:57:44am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

I’m of two minds on Schmidt’s switch. I’m honestly glad he seems genuinely bothered by what’s going on but I think too many people like him especially in the Republican professional campaign aide community i.e him and Wilson are blind to what the GOP was before Trump too. I do welcome anyone who can help us defeat this but at the same time, some people should merit some eyebrows especially if they’re like Schmidt and why someone like Palin a prototype for Trump if there was one who they pushed to make VP.

Although I will say Schmidt has been pretty consistently anti-DJT for some time now.

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 5:59:27am

This has become the wingnut defense of late: When you’re losing the argument, criticize the words the other side is using:

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:00:15am

re: #241 Targetpractice

This has become the wingnut defense of late: When you’re losing the argument, criticize the words the other side is using:

We should remember how nice and courteous Faux News and the Tea Baggers were to President Obama.

//

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:00:18am

re: #222 MsJ

I cannot forgive him or Nicole Wallace. Sorry, I just can’t and I never will be able to.

These people were responsible for grooming Palin. How do you just let that go? You can’t.

I’m glad all of y’all have the time and energy to hold past grudges. That would burn me out.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:01:08am

re: #241 Targetpractice

Fox and Friends host bemoans that people are being ‘rude’ while protesting Trump’s baby jails rawstory.com

— Raw Story

Irony has imploded

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:02:08am

re: #244 Sir John Barron

Irony has imploded

The epitaph on her headstone?

“Go fuck yourself.” - Vice President Dick Cheney.

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:02:38am

re: #243 Belafon

I’m glad all of y’all have the time and energy to hold past grudges. That would burn me out.

Past grudges.

I suppose that’s one way to look at it.

I’d say it’s more collective outrage for years of bullshit, lies, obfuscation, turning half the population against us, etc., etc., etc., but hey, go with past grudges. Sure. Why not?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:06:45am

re: #241 Targetpractice

This has become the wingnut defense of late: When you’re losing the argument, criticize the words the other side is using:

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Oh really Brian because lock her up and Trump that bitch are so polite. STFU

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makeitstop  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:06:46am

re: #241 Targetpractice

Fox and Friends host bemoans that people are being ‘rude’ while protesting Trump’s baby jails

Fuck your feelings.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:08:36am

re: #243 Belafon

I’m glad all of y’all have the time and energy to hold past grudges. That would burn me out.

I wouldn’t call it grudges. TBH Trumpism didn’t come out of nowhere. It’s understanding to me that there is wariness towards people who helped make this possible even if not directly.

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Citizen K  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:08:55am

re: #241 Targetpractice

This has become the wingnut defense of late: When you’re losing the argument, criticize the words the other side is using:

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Intent > Tone
Impact > Intent

That has become one of my mantras since the election.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:09:39am

re: #239 MsJ

And once (if) Trump is gone from the GOP, the GOP will still be the GOP and both will be back in the fold.

Just like all the editorial writers who have been brutal recently.

Give me 10 years. Maybe if they really have seen the light I can forgive. Right now, no way.

I hear ya. I see where you’re coming from completely.

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:10:54am

“We hate Trump, they hate Trump, thus all is forgiven!”

Yeah, no, that’s never going to be me. You can call it “past grudges” or whatever you like, but I’ve been burned by too many “allies” to believe they’re interested in anything but saving their own asses. Bob Corker and Jeff Flake both became vocal opponents of Trump…just as soon as they announced they weren’t running for reelection. Both also voted for a massive giveaway to the wealthy.

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:11:57am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:12:56am

re: #253 MsJ

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That’s terrifying.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:14:27am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

I wouldn’t call it grudges. TBH Trumpism didn’t come out of nowhere. It’s understanding to me that there is wariness towards people who helped make this possible even if not directly.

You’re right. Grudges isn’t the right word. I don’t believe that Steve will suddenly see that taxes are way too low on the wealthy.

I’m just grateful (why isn’t it spelled greatful? I’d rather be full of great than full of grate) that more people are at least yelling stop about something important, especially since 27% would be willing to cut off their children’s pinky if Trump said so.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:14:45am

re: #252 Targetpractice

“We hate Trump, they hate Trump, thus all is forgiven!”

Yeah, no, that’s never going to be me. You can call it “past grudges” or whatever you like, but I’ve been burned by too many “allies” to believe they’re interested in anything but saving their own asses. Bob Corker and Jeff Flake both became vocal opponents of Trump…just as soon as they announced they weren’t running for reelection. Both also voted for a massive giveaway to the wealthy.

For me, it’s their refusal to see how their own actions and their party’s approach made this possible. Steve can quote Reagan’s epitaph all he wants but Reagan was also a candidate who appealed to resentment over Civil Rights.

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:14:55am

re: #253 MsJ

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The message being sent is pretty clear: “Even if you ‘follow the rules,’ come here through the approved methods, and keep your nose clean, you will never be above suspicion. You’re a foreigner in this nation and you are not welcome.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:16:46am

re: #255 Belafon

You’re right. Grudges isn’t the right word. I don’t believe that Steve will suddenly see that taxes are way too low on the wealthy.

I’m just grateful (why isn’t it spelled greatful? I’d rather be full of great than full of grate) that more people are at least yelling stop about something important, especially since 27% would be willing to cut off their children’s pinky if Trump said so.

And I see that too. I just think some weariness is merited here for the people who helped set the tone imo.

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:17:49am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

And I see that too. I just think some weariness is merited here for the people who helped set the tone imo.

Year after year after year after year. No matter what. No matter how bad.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:20:22am

re: #259 MsJ

Year after year after year after year. No matter what. No matter how bad.

Right, I do lean towards your and TP’s side on this. I appreciate Schmidt saying all this but he’s earned our mistrust longer than trust imo.

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makeitstop  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:21:39am

re: #257 Targetpractice

The message being sent is pretty clear: “Even if you ‘follow the rules,’ come here through the approved methods, and keep your nose clean, you will never be above suspicion. You’re a foreigner in this nation and you are not welcome.”

A friend of ours in Washington state is directly impacted by this. Did everything by the book, a brilliant tech mind, just built a beautiful house for his family.

He’s thinking about just selling the house and taking his family back to Norway.

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dangerman  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:22:25am

re: #36 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hey Boys and Girls!

Here come the GOP Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid cuts!

The House Republican budget, titled “A Brighter American Future,” would remake Medicare by giving seniors the option of enrolling in private plans that compete with traditional Medicare, a system of competition designed to keep costs down but dismissed by critics as an effort to privatize the program. Along with other changes, the budget proposes to squeeze $537 billion out of Medicare over the next decade.

The budget would transform Medicaid, the federal-state health-care program for the poor, by limiting per capita payments or allowing states to turn it into a block-grant program — the same approach House Republicans took in their legislation that passed last year to repeal the Affordable Care Act (the repeal effort died in the Senate, but the GOP budget assumes that the repeal takes place). It also proposes adding work requirements for certain adults enrolled in Medicaid. Changes to Medicaid and other health programs would account for $1.5 trillion in savings.

Social Security comes in for more modest cuts of $4 billion over the decade, which the budget projects could be reached by eliminating concurrent receipt of unemployment benefits and Social Security disability insurance.

The budget also proposes a number of other cost-saving measures, some of which could prove unpopular if implemented, such as adding more work requirements for food-stamp and welfare recipients and requiring federal employees — including members of Congress — to contribute more to their retirement plans

THANK YOU JILL STEIN!

washingtonpost.com

I joked about this yesterday
The trifecta of eletction issues

The children
Shutting down the govt in October
And gutting Medicare etc

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:22:47am

re: #239 MsJ

And once (if) Trump is gone from the GOP, the GOP will still be the GOP and both will be back in the fold.

yes and no…without Trump or someone equally inflammatory, they will lose a lot of the base that helped put them over.

the difference between 2012 and 2016…Mitt just did not do it, no matter how hard he tried.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:23:02am

...

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:23:14am

re: #244 Sir John Barron

Irony has imploded

FUCK THEIR FEELINGS!!!

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:23:27am

From Schmidt:

“The first step to a season of renewal in our land is the absolute and utter repudiation of Trump and his vile enablers in the 2018 election by electing Democratic majorities,” he added. “I do not say this as an advocate of a progressive agenda. I say it as someone who retains belief in DEMOCRACY and decency.”

There are going to be conservatives, and we kind of expect that (two functioning parties, and if Democrats are the liberals, than someone else will be conservative). But the fact that he’s pushing Democratic majorities to save the country is still a pretty big step.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:23:58am

re: #263 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yes and no…without Trump or someone equally inflammatory, they will lose a lot of the base that helped put them over.

the difference between 2012 and 2016…Mitt just did not do it, no matter how hard he tried.

Or someone worse could replace Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:24:39am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

A childhood friend mentioned moving back to Ecuador. He didn’t seem to come out and say it was because of what’s been going on but I read in between the lines.

better to move than to be moved…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:25:28am

re: #266 Belafon

From Schmidt:

There are going to be conservatives, and we kind of expect that (two functioning parties, and if Democrats are the liberals, than someone else will be conservative). But the fact that he’s pushing Democratic majorities to save the country is still a pretty big step.

Now that I do appreciate. My approach has been have they been critical of just Trump or the Republican Party as a whole, I trust people in the latter camp more hence why I read Jen Rubin and don’t trust people like Erickson.

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:25:28am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Right, I do lean towards your and TP’s side on this. I appreciate Schmidt saying all this but he’s earned our mistrust longer than trust imo.

I appreciate him saying it, too. Same with Wallace. But appreciation is not support and it is not forgiveness. They helped make this. They are equally complicit. And if it wasn’t Trump they would be on the cut Social Security, reinstating pre-existing conditions, tax cut, blah blah blah bandwagon the GOP has been preaching for decades.

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:25:40am

re: #262 dangerman

I joked about this yesterday
The trifecta of eletction issues

The children
Shutting down the govt in October
And gutting Medicare etc

Hey now, I’ve been assured by wingnuts I know that the GOP is not only going to hold Congress, they’re gonna expand their majorities because Trump is popular and everybody loves tax cuts!

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Done Ben Wrote  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:25:43am

re: #57 SteelPH

I can’t shake the feeling what they’d say would include this one word: Rape

I have a sinking feeling it is worse. There is no profit in just rape.

When is Trumpy going to pardon all ICE agents for any crimes committed while on duty?

Would that finally be a bridge too far for congress?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:25:49am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

Or someone worse could replace Trump.

equally or even more inflammatory, yes…but nobody has the cachet that he has of being a media star and known quantity, of being a non-politician with no record of public service who can get away with things that no other politician ever could

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:25:52am

re: #268 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

better to move than to be moved…

Decided to delete to respect his privacy butvyrs.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:26:18am

re: #273 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

equally or even more inflammatory, yes…but nobody has the cachet that he has of being a media star and known quantity, of being a non-politician with no record of public service who can get away with things that no other politician ever could

You can’t say that. Nothing is certain.

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:27:05am

Schmidt is a rat leaving a sinking ship.

Now, he may be a well-spoken rat, maybe even one who really does recognize how evil Trump acts.

Still, this is all about preserving skin. Schmidt’s own, and any future politicians for whom he wants to work.

Anyone who had been paying attention knew in 2016 exactly what Trump was.

To wait until the middle of 2018 to make a show of making an issue of that is a bit late.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:27:08am

re: #275 HappyWarrior

You can’t say that. Nothing is certain.

nobody I can think of offhand…Kid Rock, maybe?

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:27:23am

re: #272 Done Ben Wrote

I have a sinking feeling it is worse. There is no profit in just rape.

When is Trumpy going to pardon all ICE agents for any crimes committed while on duty?

Would that finally be a bridge too far for congress?

No.

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makeitstop  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:28:00am

re: #266 Belafon

From Schmidt:

There are going to be conservatives, and we kind of expect that (two functioning parties, and if Democrats are the liberals, than someone else will be conservative). But the fact that he’s pushing Democratic majorities to save the country is still a pretty big step.

The entire thread is pretty good. His preface that two functioning parties is essential to democracy is one that I agree with.

And the fact that he uses the word ‘renounce’ is pretty big. I don’t want to sound like I’m being too sympathetic - this truck has been coming down the block pretty visibly since the Clinton era and anyone who chose to see it could have - but I’m sure that thread wasn’t easy for him to write.

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:28:25am

re: #270 MsJ

I appreciate him saying it, too. Same with Wallace. But appreciation is not support and it is not forgiveness. They helped make this. They are equally complicit. And if it wasn’t Trump they would be on the cut Social Security, reinstating pre-existing conditions, tax cut, blah blah blah bandwagon the GOP has been preaching for decades.

Exactly, Schmidt is saying he’ll vote for Dem majorities. But how is this really anything but a different flavor of the wingnut belief that if they run all the “RINOs” out, even if it means losing their majorities, what remains will be “true conservatives”?

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:31:57am

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:33:10am

re: #276 freetoken

Schmidt is a rat leaving a sinking ship.

Now, he may be a well-spoken rat, maybe even one who really does recognize how evil Trump acts.

Still, this is all about preserving skin. Schmidt’s own, and any future politicians for whom he wants to work.

Anyone who had been paying attention knew in 2016 exactly what Trump was.

To wait until the middle of 2018 to make a show of making an issue of that is a bit late.

There were lots of people that argued the normal checks of Washington would constrain him. McConnell’s white supremacy and Ryan’s fuck-the-poors have played a big part in Trump’s “success.” This also has to be fixed by the next few elections.

All these people who voted for him, or argued that Clinton was the same, or who didn’t vote, have a whole lot to answer for.

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:34:23am

re: #281 MsJ

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

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If ever you meet someone who can’t understand how the Holocaust could happen and yet nobody did anything about it, I present Exhibit A.

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Citizen K  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:35:15am

re: #281 MsJ

Empathy is literally sin in their eyes. They don’t fucking care, because they don’t see people, they don’t see humans. They see an ‘infestation’ or ‘invasion’. They see a disease that must be eradicated or purged for their safe holy White America.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:35:24am

re: #281 MsJ

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

“Can we focus on the real problem which is all the rude criticism DJT is getting from mean liberals who hate America?”

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:35:53am

re: #280 Targetpractice

Exactly, Schmidt is saying he’ll vote for Dem majorities. But how is this really anything but a different flavor of the wingnut belief that if they run all the “RINOs” out, even if it means losing their majorities, what remains will be “true conservatives”?

My belief is that the only way the Republican party will return to being a true functioning party is for it to lose a significant number of elections so that it can figure out that “crazy” will not win and can return conservative to “wary of things changing quickly” instead of “wanting to return to 1850.” That’s what a functioning conservative party would be.

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:36:17am

re: #281 MsJ

Understand that in any population there will always be those who are not very bright.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:38:02am

re: #281 MsJ

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

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Oh boo fucking hoo, you voted for this.

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Kilroy was here  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:38:13am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:40:09am

re: #287 freetoken

Understand that in any population there will always be those who are not very bright.

not being bright does not have to mean totally lacking in human empathy

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:40:41am

re: #277 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

nobody I can think of offhand…Kid Rock, maybe?

I just don’t know. Unlike the people who you mention that embrace the political outsider types, I have an inherent mistrust of someone who uses being a political outsider for the whole premise of their narrative.

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:41:04am

re: #286 Belafon

My belief is that the only way the Republican party will return to being a true functioning party is for it to lose a significant number of elections so that it can figure out that “crazy” will not win and can return conservative to “wary of things changing quickly” instead of “wanting to return to 1850.” That’s what a functioning conservative party would be.

The republican party needs to die, be nuked, salted, buried in concrete and sunk to the deepest part of the Mariana Trench. America deserves a better opposition party. The GOP will never be that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:41:06am

re: #287 freetoken

Understand that in any population there will always be those who are not very bright.

Not very bright but evil too

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:42:39am

re: #290 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

not being bright does not have to mean totally lacking in human empathy

I have met some of the nicest people who are not terribly bright. Either you are a moral, kind, empathetic person or you are not.

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Teukka  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:42:40am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Not very bright but evil too

“Chaotic Evil”?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:46:15am

re: #295 Teukka

“Chaotic Evil”?

I don’t know. I think people like this want to live in their own delusional world and hate the reality being shown of the policy and man they strongly support without reservations. Do you remember the early stories about the immigrants being rounded up by ICE? A lot of them were shocked because “Jose was one of the good ones” or some crap like that. Maybe some of them are honestly just that stupid but some of them are people who don’t care about anything until it comes close to home.

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plansbandc  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:46:23am

So they don’t have the babies’ names, none of us know who they are or how many there are. What’s to stop them from selling them or disposing of them permanently?

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William Lewis  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:46:26am

On attempting to call my GOP congress slime,
Various attempts to get the idiot answering the phone to admit I’m talking about the kidnapping of children on the borders…

“sir if you can’t be civil”
“oh fuck off, you nazi asshole.” (click as I hang up on him)

I also left a message for the GOP senator from Wisconsin, not that it will do much. He’s been a full bore hater since day one.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:47:00am

re: #294 MsJ

I have met some of the nicest people who are not terribly bright. Either you are a moral, kind, empathetic person or you are not.

A reminder that all the Nuremberg defendants had above average intelligence. I can be really dumb sometimes but I never stop trying to being a caring person.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:47:32am

re: #297 plansbandc

So they don’t have the babies’ names, none of us know who they are or how many there are. What’s to stop them from selling them or disposing of them permanently?

It’s beginning to feel a lot like 1970’s Argentina.

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:47:59am

re: #286 Belafon

My belief is that the only way the Republican party will return to being a true functioning party is for it to lose a significant number of elections so that it can figure out that “crazy” will not win and can return conservative to “wary of things changing quickly” instead of “wanting to return to 1850.” That’s what a functioning conservative party would be.

There’s a genuine question to be asked if the GOP is even worth saving at this point. We’re a long way from Lincoln, Teddy, & Ike. The moral decay began generations ago and has only gotten worse as the desire for power overrode everything else, such that today you have a man in office who is doing things that Nixon would have envied and is getting away with them because of the cowardice and power-hunger of his party. One party is embracing the generational and demographic shift that this nation is undergoing, the other is polishing up their jackboots while humming Horst-Wessel-Lied.

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ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:48:19am

re: #128 JordanRules

Joe Walsh ✔
@WalshFreedom
Liberals must hate this!

Morning!

I see Joey Walsh is being a dumbass…again. Back on the wingnut juice.

Joe, the fact that Republicans have two presidents that have stars on the Hollywood walkway shows more the problem is Republicans fall for image and elect two “stars” that should never have been seen as political leaders.

It is actually a good thing the Democrats do not have ‘star’ presidents. And hopefully will not in the future.

Try harder Joey. I know this stuff is difficult for you.

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Teukka  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:49:34am

re: #301 Targetpractice

There’s a genuine question to be asked if the GOP is even worth saving at this point. We’re a long way from Lincoln, Teddy, & Ike. The moral decay began generations ago and has only gotten worse as the desire for power overrode everything else, such that today you have a man in office who is doing things that Nixon would have envied and is getting away with them because of the cowardice and power-hunger of his party. One party is embracing the generational and demographic shift that this nation is undergoing, the other is polishing up their jackboots while humming Horst-Wessel-Lied.

It’s increasinly likely that the GOP will relegated to the same dustbin as the NSDAP if this keeps going.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:50:45am

re: #303 Teukka

It’s increasinly likely that the GOP will relegated to the same dustbin as the NSDAP if this keeps going.

Can only hope but the party is 164 years old.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:51:55am

re: #298 William Lewis

On attempting to call my GOP congress slime,
Various attempts to get the idiot answering the phone to admit I’m talking about the kidnapping of children on the borders…

“sir if you can’t be civil”
“oh fuck off, you nazi asshole.” (click as I hang up on him)

I also left a message for the GOP senator from Wisconsin, not that it will do much. He’s been a full bore hater since day one.

One of my students commented on this a couple of hours ago; I had her read a couple of articles on this horrific scenario and I’m pretty sure I could actually see her blood boiling as she did.

She asked, “Umm…..isn’t that actual kidnapping of children? Isn’t kidnapping against the law in the United States?”

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:52:42am

re: #301 Targetpractice

There’s a genuine question to be asked if the GOP is even worth saving at this point. We’re a long way from Lincoln, Teddy, & Ike. The moral decay began generations ago and has only gotten worse as the desire for power overrode everything else, such that today you have a man in office who is doing things that Nixon would have envied and is getting away with them because of the cowardice and power-hunger of his party. One party is embracing the generational and demographic shift that this nation is undergoing, the other is polishing up their jackboots while humming Horst-Wessel-Lied.

There’s not a huge groundswell at the moment for creating a new party. When the Whigs broke up, one part became the Republican party and the other part joined the Democrats. If the GOP broke, up, the crazy part would ultimately join the new party, and then we’d just be back where we are now. How would the party keep the crazy people out.

This is why the dynamics right now are not the same as the dynamics in the 1850s. The divide right now is already represented by the parties. The only way to change things would be for the Democratic party to accept the non-crazy GOPers, and then watch the fun in the primaries when that happens.

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:53:11am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

A reminder that all the Nuremberg defendants had above average intelligence. I can be really dumb sometimes but I never stop trying to being a caring person.

We all have our moronic moments.

No matter how stupid I might be about something or other, my empathy, my inner being never goes away. It’s part of who you are or not.

That said, I have zero empathy for these monsters and want to see them tried and imprisoned for life. I’d actually be ok with public hanging, too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:53:41am

re: #307 MsJ

We all have our moronic moments.

No matter how stupid I might be about something or other, my empathy, my inner being never goes away. It’s part of who you are or not.

That said, I have zero empathy for these monsters and want to see them tried and imprisoned for life. I’d actually be ok with public hanging, too.

Same. But actually I’d rather them live a long time behind bars. Public hanging is a quick way out.

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makeitstop  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:53:41am

Not that it will ever happen, but I love this idea.

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Citizen K  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:55:51am

re: #303 Teukka

re: #301 Targetpractice

The problem is that, even with the special election wins we’ve been getting, the fact is that the GOP is still very much in overall control. Wins need to start piling up high for us starting in November for there to even be a conversation about the death knell of the GOP, and even then, we’ve seen the country whiplash back to begging for them after Dems simply didn’t fix things improbably fast enough for the electorate’s taste.

And the death of the NSDAP came off a world war. I’m really hoping it won’t take that to ring a proper death knell for the GOP, even with all the Nazi parallels that keep rising up from the festering pool of this administration.

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:57:50am

And off to work I go.

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dangerman  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:58:27am

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

I fear that this is the reason Trump has dug in so hard on the policy now and is trying to blame Democrats. I feel like the backlash is enough that if he could soften or reverse it he would have, but something really fucking terrible has already happened behind the scenes that they’re desperately trying to cover up. This also might explain why they’ve been so reluctant to give access to the girls, because they’re afraid of what the girls will say.

part of it certainly

the other is there is a serious financial aspect to this, as others have mentioned
his nature is he couldnt possibly give up such an opportunity by separating himself from that

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Teukka  Jun 20, 2018 • 6:59:36am

re: #311 MsJ

And off to work I go.

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JFC. CPPCG Article II(e) violation?

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dangerman  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:04:52am

re: #117 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was supposed to function as a “deterrent”.

That does not seem to be working, immigrants and refugees are still coming.

It was meant to show their resolve in “defending our borders”

It has wound up convincing a lot of Americans (outside the rabid base) that Trump has gone too far. I think that even people who generally accept his immigration policies view family separation as inhumane.

And nobody is accepting their excuse that this policy was imposed on them.

Or that it is justified by the Bible anywhere at all.

Except maybe Psalms 137:9

Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

cause all they’ve done sort of, is close the door to the onrushing tide
they havent addressed the problems at the source

argue policy all you want - r’s and d’s have for years
if the mere chance of getting here is better than the reality of staying there, people are going to try it

you make conditions better there - you spend the money the effort the time. lots of it.

have we made things better in iraq, syria, libya etc., even iran? not so much. why dont we have a problem with those immigrants while the EU does? the ocean and boats.

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dangerman  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:05:33am

re: #119 Single-handed sailor

Actually Trump’s disapproval rating has improved over the last 10 days by 3.8%, from -11.4% to -7.6%. America is a fucked up country.

north korea summit. what was that about again?

wiped from the front pages. brilliant tactic by team trump

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:05:58am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

I just don’t know. Unlike the people who you mention that embrace the political outsider types, I have an inherent mistrust of someone who uses being a political outsider for the whole premise of their narrative.

It plays well with people who are fed up with politics and politicians, it also plays well with idiots who want a simplistic solution to complex issues.

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ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:06:58am

re: #218 Targetpractice

By the way, I know there are going to be voices who rush in and tell me to be nice to Steve, he’s “seen the light” or what have you and “we need him to beat Trump.”

All I can say is two words: “Good German.”

I’m glad he decided to call himself not a Republican. The reason being he is someone that might sway others to not be Republicans. Hopefully they vote not Republican for a few cycles and we get a Democratic majority and work from there.

I don’t trust them past that. I want to use them for educational purposes. Maybe it teaches younger people to never be Republicans. Got to start the rebuilding process somewhere.

And who knows, maybe they actually stay Democrats and do good Democratic politics into the future. If so, good.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:07:11am

re: #315 dangerman

north korea summit. what was that about again?

wiped from the front pages. brilliant tactic by team trump

Trump has done so much bad stuff now that it’s starting to take over his news cycle.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:09:39am

re: #316 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It plays well with people who are fed up with politics and politicians, it also plays well with idiots who want a simplistic solution to complex issues.

I know. I’m just saying that for me personally I don’t trust them and here’s why. Public life isn’t a money maker. These rich guys like Trump that without having taken any government classes beyond high school suddenly deciding they know better is the peak of arrogance to me. Fake populism I call it.

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ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:11:14am

re: #222 MsJ

I cannot forgive him or Nicole Wallace. Sorry, I just can’t and I never will be able to.

These people were responsible for grooming Palin. How do you just let that go? You can’t.

Use them as educational political tools. Nothing more. You don’t have to have a love fest.

Politics is all about persuasion. If they help create more Democrats and help maybe switch a bunch of people away from the Republican party that is good politics.

And always remember…many here at LGF were Republicans, and may still be only disgruntled, same as Steve and Nicole.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:13:31am

re: #319 HappyWarrior

I know. I’m just saying that for me personally I don’t trust them and here’s why. Public life isn’t a money maker. These rich guys like Trump that without having taken any government classes beyond high school suddenly deciding they know better is the peak of arrogance to me. Fake populism I call it.

“Government should be run like a business”

Fine, would you hire someone who would not present you a resumé based on their public image?

Trump refused to release his tax returns, so we had nothing to go on except what he had learned from the media and what he had claimed.

And yes, government should be run on sound & sustainable economic principles, but that is where the comparison to business ends. Like you said, business is about making money for the owners & investors, not about bring the greatest good to the most people.

A businessperson will see things like public education, health care, safety, infrastructure and environmental protection as cost factors to be minimized or eliminated and not as investments in a healthy and productive society & economy.

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makeitstop  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:14:41am

Corey is getting deservedly lit up on Twitter.

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ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:16:05am

re: #243 Belafon

I’m glad all of y’all have the time and energy to hold past grudges. That would burn me out.

Sometimes hard line stances create closed ears and minds. That has been a Republican trait for a long long time. One of the ways the party got to this point.

If people like Steve Schmidt, Nicole Wallace and others are the start of a new moderate conservative party and help end the current Republican party I see that as good for American politics.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:17:47am

re: #321 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Government should be run like a business”

Fine, would you hire someone who would not present you a resumé based on their public image?

Trump refused to release his tax returns, so we had nothing to go on except what he had learned from the media and what he had claimed.

And yes, government should be run on sound & sustainable economic principles, but that is where the comparison to business ends. Like you said, business is about making money for the owners & investors, not about bring the greatest good to the most people.

A businessperson will see things like public education, health care, safety, infrastructure and environmental protection as cost factors to be minimized or eliminated and not as investments in a healthy and productive society & economy.

Exactly but it’s not even just that. It’s this I’m an outsider, I know real America bs. My Governor was a practicing physician even while Lt Governor. There’s this idea that populists spread about public savants and the people who live in places like DC, NoVa, SoMd that we’re somehow removed from “Real America.” Frankly I think many of them are. Steve King? How many immigrants does he actually know? Jim Jordan? How many openly lgbt people does he know? How many Muslims does Louie Gohmert know?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:18:21am

re: #322 makeitstop

Corey is getting deservedly lit up on Twitter.

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Waaah. Shut up you baby.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:19:05am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

Exactly but it’s not even just that. It’s this I’m an outsider, I know real America bs.

It is mostly just posturing, but it worked in 2016 and will be repeated.

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ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:19:31am

re: #257 Targetpractice

The message being sent is pretty clear: “Even if you ‘follow the rules,’ come here through the approved methods, and keep your nose clean, you will never be above suspicion. You’re a foreigner in this nation and you are not welcome.”

Then that fits all of America that have no family that was native to this land.

So, let’s look into, say, Teddy Cruz. Let’s run him through the process and see how it goes. How about Marco?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:20:15am

Fake news- any reality that makes my reality uncomfortable. We’ll be discussing this years from now.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:21:11am

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is mostly just posturing, but it worked in 2016 and will be repeated.

I know. Gotta do all possible to ensure it doesn’t repeat.

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:22:09am

At least one Republican is running for Congress in bold support of Trump:

Yvette Herrell blames Congress for family separations

New Mexico’s Republican congressional candidate in a district along the border with Mexico is blaming Congress for an immigration crisis that has led to the separation of immigrant children from their parents.

In a statement Monday, Yvette Herrell said she supports Trump’s zero-tolerance policy on border security.

[…]

Trump won the vote in the 2nd District in 2016, though he lost statewide.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:22:13am

re: #327 ObserverArt

Then that fits all of America that have no family that was native to this land.

So, let’s look into, say, Teddy Cruz. Let’s run him through the process and see how it goes. How about Marco?

Those two have birthright citizenship via their folks but one can’t help but to wonder if this is next or an attempt to revise that policy.

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dangerman  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:22:47am

re: #320 ObserverArt

Use them as educational political tools. Nothing more. You don’t have to have a love fest.

Politics is all about persuasion. If they help create more Democrats and help maybe switch a bunch of people away from the Republican party that is good politics.

And always remember…many here at LGF were Republicans, and may still be only disgruntled, same as Steve and Nicole.

forget everything else
this really is a war
every vote counts however (legally) acquired

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:22:55am

re: #330 freetoken

At least one Republican is running for Congress in bold support of Trump:

Yvette Herrell blames Congress for family separations

Trumpist

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ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:24:39am

re: #266 Belafon

From Schmidt:

There are going to be conservatives, and we kind of expect that (two functioning parties, and if Democrats are the liberals, than someone else will be conservative). But the fact that he’s pushing Democratic majorities to save the country is still a pretty big step.

Then there is Richard Painter that dropped being a Republican and is running as a Democratic candidate for Al Franken’s Senate in Minnesota.

That is a pretty bold step.

Again…if all this helps make the Democratic party stronger in the future and attracts more people to declare they are Democrats it is good.

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dangerman  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:24:48am

re: #321 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Government should be run like a business”

Fine, would you hire someone who would not present you a resumé based on their public image?

Trump refused to release his tax returns, so we had nothing to go on except what he had learned from the media and what he had claimed.

And yes, government should be run on sound & sustainable economic principles, but that is where the comparison to business ends. Like you said, business is about making money for the owners & investors, not about bring the greatest good to the most people.

A businessperson will see things like public education, health care, safety, infrastructure and environmental protection as cost factors to be minimized or eliminated and not as investments in a healthy and productive society & economy.

you elect a businessman as president, let him run a government like a business, you get exactly what we have

while he’s personally skimming off the cream and the perks, the predictable and mostly inevitable economic hurt just hasnt had a chance to set in yet

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dangerman  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:25:56am

re: #322 makeitstop

Corey is getting deservedly lit up on Twitter.

Lots of Fake News today. I mocked a liberal who attempted to politicize children as opposed to discussing the real issue which is fixing a broken immigration system. It’s offenseive that the MSM doesn’t want to talk about the fact these policies were started under Obama.

open a book
these ‘policies’ were started way before obama
some way before he was born

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:26:42am

re: #322 makeitstop

Corey is getting deservedly lit up on Twitter.

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“Very well, let’s talk about the broken immigration sys…”

“BUILD THE WALL!”

“I’m sorry, what?”

“SECURE THE BORDER!!”

“That’s not…”

“DEPORT ALL THE ILLEGALS!!!”

“I thought you wanted to discuss the immigration system?”

“We can’t have that discussion until we have every last illegal gone and none coming in, else they’ll all flood in here looking for citizenship once we begin reforming the system. So if you really wanna fix the system, you have to support building a wall and mass deportations first!”

“But that will never work and be massively expensive.”

“HA! I knew you weren’t serious about fixing the issue! You liberals and your love of illegals because they’ll vote for you!”

“You know what, fuck this, I’m tired of arguing with Nazis.”

“I WON THE ARGUMENT! OUT WITH THE ILLEGALS!!!”

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Interesting Times  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:27:41am

re: #266 Belafon

There are going to be conservatives, and we kind of expect that (two functioning parties, and if Democrats are the liberals, than someone else will be conservative). But the fact that he’s pushing Democratic majorities to save the country is still a pretty big step.

Evan McMullin said almost the same thing:

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fern01  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:28:04am

re: #8 jaunte

After forcibly separating non-verbal babies from their parents, the U.S. government reclassifies them as “unaccompanied alien children.”

Who started calling immigrant people aliens and/or illegal aliens? I grew up using the term alien to represent a “person” from a planet other than earth. I find it beyond disgusting and horrific that people from countries outside of the US are referred to in this fashion.

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plansbandc  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:28:10am

re: #322 makeitstop

I called him a sack of shit. I feel a wee bit better.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:28:24am

re: #335 dangerman

you elect a businessman as president, let him run a government like a business, you get exactly what we have

while he’s personally skimming off the cream and the perks, the predictable and mostly inevitable economic hurt just hasnt had a chance to set in yet

If you elect a businessperson who will not release his tax returns, one who has a history of bankruptcies, yes, you will get what we got.

Or you can elect a businessman like Mitt Romney with a track record of bankrupting companies and walking away with a profit.

Again, the notion of running government responsibly like a sound business is a reasonable idea, but it is not one that people really think through when they tout it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:29:42am

re: #338 Interesting Times

Here’s a simple test for whether a member of Congress deserves your vote this year: are they condemning and working to stop the abject abomination of Trump’s forced family separations and incarceration of children? If not, they have no business anywhere near the halls of power.

and if they are GOP they need to be given no rest or respite until they have seen that ALL the missing children are returned to their parents

let them wear that albatross around their neck until it rots off

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dangerman  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:29:48am

re: #334 ObserverArt

Then there is Richard Painter that dropped being a Republican and is running as a Democratic candidate for Al Franken’s Senate in Minnesota.

That is a pretty bold step.

Again…if all this helps make the Democratic party stronger in the future and attracts more people to declare they are Democrats it is good.

if politics is about attracting the ever see-sawing mushy middle, it’s going to be harder and harder to persuade those people that the politics and policies of the party of trump are the future of this country

the middle doesnt want to be assoicated with “trump camps”

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:29:49am

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And that was the basis on which the GOP ran Trump: they knew that they had that much of the vote sewed up, and that they would all flock to the polls in support. They just needed another 23% of voters to go along and they had more than enough for a majority.

They. Never. Had. A. Majority.

That is all.

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plansbandc  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:29:58am

re: #330 freetoken

Yeah, her TV ads proudly proclaim her as a Trump supporter and Christian. Charming.

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sagehen  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:30:08am

nbcnews.com

WASHINGTON — The cost of holding migrant children who have been separated from their parents in newly created “tent cities” is $775 per person per night, according to an official at the Department of Health and Human Services — far higher than the cost of keeping children with their parents in detention centers or holding them in more permanent buildings.

It costs $256 per person per night to hold children in permanent HHS facilities like Casa Padre in Brownsville, Texas. And keeping children with their parents in detention centers like the one run by U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement in Dilley, Texas cost $298 per resident per night, according to an agency estimate when it awarded the contract for the facility in 2014.

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ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:30:33am

re: #305 Dr Lizardo

One of my students commented on this a couple of hours ago; I had her read a couple of articles on this horrific scenario and I’m pretty sure I could actually see her blood boiling as she did.

She asked, “Umm…..isn’t that actual kidnapping of children? Isn’t kidnapping against the law in the United States?”

Trump in Nixon mode: “It’s not illegal if the president does it.”

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electrotek  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:30:35am

re: #346 sagehen

nbcnews.com

WASHINGTON — The cost of holding migrant children who have been separated from their parents in newly created “tent cities” is $775 per person per night, according to an official at the Department of Health and Human Services — far higher than the cost of keeping children with their parents in detention centers or holding them in more permanent buildings.

It costs $256 per person per night to hold children in permanent HHS facilities like Casa Padre in Brownsville, Texas. And keeping children with their parents in detention centers like the one run by U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement in Dilley, Texas cost $298 per resident per night, according to an agency estimate when it awarded the contract for the facility in 2014.

Fiscally conservative my ass.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:30:47am

re: #344 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

They. Never. Had. A. Majority.

That is all.

an electoral majority.

that is also part of their strategy

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:31:26am

re: #347 ObserverArt

Trump in Nixon mode: “It’s not illegal if the president does it.”

and he can always pardon himself

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plansbandc  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:31:41am

re: #346 sagehen

Fiscal conservatism at its finest.

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makeitstop  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:31:54am

re: #346 sagehen

The cost of holding migrant children who have been separated from their parents in newly created “tent cities” is $775 per person per night

Well, sure. Those ‘non-profits’ ain’t charities, y’know. And the boss needs to get his cut.
//

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:34:29am

re: #281 MsJ

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

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White Trash voters supporting the first White Trash President.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:34:29am

re: #346 sagehen

nbcnews.com

WASHINGTON — The cost of holding migrant children who have been separated from their parents in newly created “tent cities” is $775 per person per night, according to an official at the Department of Health and Human Services — far higher than the cost of keeping children with their parents in detention centers or holding them in more permanent buildings.

They could be put up in a luxury hotel suite for that money…

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sagehen  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:34:45am

re: #339 fern01

Who started calling immigrant people aliens and/or illegal aliens? I grew up using the term alien to represent a “person” from a planet other than earth. I find it beyond disgusting and horrific that people from countries outside of the US are referred to in this fashion.

ah, you must be young.

When I was a child, they were known as wetbacks. (generations before I was born, the reason they called Italians WOPs was the acronym for “without papers”)

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:36:21am

re: #339 fern01

Who started calling immigrant people aliens and/or illegal aliens? I grew up using the term alien to represent a “person” from a planet other than earth. I find it beyond disgusting and horrific that people from countries outside of the US are referred to in this fashion.

I’m 52. When I was growing up, the term was “illegal aliens” and the occasional “wetback.”

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fern01  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:36:40am

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that is nothing short of state-sanctioned kidnapping

my variation

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:37:19am

re: #355 sagehen

ah, you must be young.

When I was a child, they were known as wetbacks. (generations before I was born, the reason they called Italians WOPs was the acronym for “without papers”)

I’m 30 and I knew people younger than me who used wetbacks. Kid was just echoing his bigoted Dad.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:38:39am

re: #300 HappyWarrior

It’s beginning to feel a lot like 1970’s Argentina.

I got a feeling Pope Francis is really pissed off at this and he’s going to rip Republicans to pieces on Sunday.

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ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:38:43am

re: #336 dangerman

open a book
these ‘policies’ were started way before obama
some way before he was born

Corey is a Trump parrot. He has no clue about the real issues. Definitely not the sharpest tool.

I don’t think Trump ever surrounded himself with intelligent staff. It would show his own ignorance and they wouldn’t work with him long.

He uses tools like Lewandowski and Cohen because he can get them to do his bidding. They are his bully force, his heavies.

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Interesting Times  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:40:35am
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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:40:49am

re: #360 ObserverArt

Corey is a Trump parrot. He has no clue about the real issues. Definitely not the sharpest tool.

I don’t think Trump ever surrounded himself with intelligent staff. It would show his own ignorance and they wouldn’t work with him long.

He uses tools like Lewandowski and Cohen because he can get them to do his bidding. They are his bully force, his heavies.

Trump would never want someone smarter than him around.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:42:38am

re: #361 Interesting Times

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That’s because SHS is one of them and that little girl isn’t.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:43:44am

Boat makers now face 210 percent tariffs on Chinese aluminum

Boat manufacturers say the escalating trade dispute with China took another bad turn this week that could scuttle sales of aluminum boats popular in Wisconsin.

In the billions of dollars of tariffs that President Donald Trump’s administration has proposed on Chinese goods, a new tariff of 167 percent on the type of aluminum used for recreational boats would bring the total tariff on that product to at least 210 percent.

“This is terrible news for marine manufacturers as aluminum boats represent 44 percent of new boat sales each year and account for $3 billion in retail sales,” Thom Dammrich, president of the Chicago-based National Marine Manufacturers, said Wednesday.

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Done Ben Wrote  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:44:02am

re: #339 fern01

Who started calling immigrant people aliens and/or illegal aliens? I grew up using the term alien to represent a “person” from a planet other than earth. I find it beyond disgusting and horrific that people from countries outside of the US are referred to in this fashion.

There used to be PSA ads around Christmastime reminding non-citizens to report to INS for their annual visit. They were called resident aliens. It was very strange to Star Trek-watching child-me; I wondered why resident Vulcans and such weren’t in the news. And where could I meet one?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:44:19am

re: #322 makeitstop

Corey is getting deservedly lit up on Twitter.

Well it’s been a good day for Corey since he got to mock/own a lib.

//

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:45:40am

re: #365 Amory Blaine

Boat makers now face 210 percent tariffs on Chinese aluminum

“American aluminum to the res…wait, we don’t produce the types and quantities needed? But I thought we just needed the demand and the supply would follow!”

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fern01  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:46:29am

re: #90 austin_blue

The actions of this Administration are proof positive that the President Of The United States is a stone-cold sociopath. I don’t know how else to explain the policies he has put in place.

We are in an absolutely terrifying situation. We can resist this, or we can, as a people, capitulate to what is happening to the destruction of the American dream.

This is not what I was raised to believe. This is the opposite of what I was raised to believe, that America was the source of hope and goodness and grace.

This is evil incarnate and must be stopped.

From Booman - my emphasis
boomantribune.com

This cannot continue. And it won’t. Donald Trump, very obviously, has gone insane. He’s out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond the pale of any acceptable human conduct. And he is still in the field commanding troops. His dealings with North Korea and Russia are no more sane or less damaging that his dealings with asylum seekers and border crossers and their children.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:47:24am

re: #366 Done Ben Wrote

There used to be PSA ads around Christmastime reminding non-citizens to report to INS for their annual visit. They were called resident aliens. It was very strange to Star Trek-watching child-me; I wondered why resident Vulcans and such weren’t in the news. And where could I meet one?

I was always confused by the term too. Related, One of my earliest memories at around four years old was watching a show with my grandmother and my four year old mind was amazed that someone could get “fired.” Makes me wonder about how that term came about.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:50:56am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

I was always confused by the term too. Related, One of my earliest memories at around four years old was watching a show with my grandmother and my four year old mind was amazed that someone could get “fired.” Makes me wonder about how that term came about.

I was eight or nine years old when we went through confirmation/communion in the Byzantine Rite Catholic Church.

We got up on the altar and were asked “Do you renounce Satan and all his works and all his angels?”

To which we were taught to respond: “I do renounce him!”

I had no idea who “Satan” was nor did I know what “renounce” meant, but I recited it as told.

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:54:48am

re: #371 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was eight or nine years old when we went through confirmation/communion in the Byzantine Rite Catholic Church.

We got up on the altar and were asked “Do you renounce Satan and all his works and all his angels?”

To which we were taught to respond: “I do renounce him!”

I had no idea who “Satan” was nor did I know what “renounce” meant, but I recited it as told.

Did a lot of mobsters end up dead while this was going on?

//

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sagehen  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:55:01am

re: #359 Joe Bacon 🌹

I got a feeling Pope Francis is really pissed off at this and he’s going to rip Republicans to pieces on Sunday.

He’s not waiting until Sunday.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:56:41am

re: #373 sagehen

He’s not waiting until Sunday.

They’re MS13 you commy!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:57:16am

re: #372 Targetpractice

Did a lot of mobsters end up dead while this was going on?

//

Depends how much they donated to the church.

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fern01  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:57:55am

re: #154 Patricia Kayden

Who the hell does Haley think she’s fooling? Right now, the administration is abusing migrant children but Haley is trying to pretend that Trump is all about human rights? Please!

Anyone who worked for this administration will be apologizing to their children until they die.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 20, 2018 • 7:58:39am

re: #376 fern01

Anyone who worked for this administration will be apologizing to their children until they die.

Nah. They are heartless. They could care less.

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fern01  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:02:33am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

From a BBC article on the President meeting with GOP leadership over family separation:

The president said in the meeting that separating parents and children was “certainly not an attractive thing and does look bad”, Representative Tom Cole said

So his issue is that it does not look good. Not that it is an inhumane abomination.

The entire GOP needs to saddled with this until every single child has been reunited.

Which might not even happen as several seem to have slipped through the cracks.

Which is fine, let them wear this albatross forever.

If they can still rage at Hillary about Benghazi and e-mails, then we should not shut up about missing children.

Democrats have to learn from Benghazi!!! There must be congressional hearings starting immediately they take over the house about the president* stealing children from their parents.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:03:45am

re: #377 GlutenFreeJesus

Nah. They are heartless. They could care less.

hard to make a blanket statement, but those who ordered it will be justifying it until they go to hell

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:04:04am

re: #378 fern01

Democrats have to learn from Benghazi!!! There must be congressional hearings starting immediately they take over the house about the president* stealing children from their parents.

That, I suspect, won’t be a problem.

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:04:26am

The hate-right is not changing.

Checking NRO just now… it’s full of articles blaming Democrats for the separation of children.

And the usual addiction to Hillary-hating, etc.

They are not going to change.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:04:34am

re: #378 fern01

Democrats have to learn from Benghazi!!! There must be congressional hearings starting immediately they take over the house about the president* stealing children from their parents.

and not ending until the last child has been found and reunited

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:05:11am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:08:14am

re: #381 freetoken

The hate-right is not changing.

Checking NRO just now… it’s full of articles blaming Democrats for the separation of children.

And the usual addiction to Hillary-hating, etc.

They are not going to change.

The Dems are to blame for separating children, although separating children is OK.
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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:08:38am

re: #383 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

What executive order? If there’s a tweet and a reply, I’m only seeing the reply.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:09:35am

re: #384 Sir John Barron

The Dems are to blame for separating children, although separating children is OK.
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Of course [Trump)’s going to sign an unnecessary executive order that will allow him to claim both hero and victim status.

because he has to maintain the narrative that the Democrats FORCED him to do it

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:09:41am
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makeitstop  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:10:01am

re: #385 Belafon

What executive order? If there’s a tweet and a reply, I’m only seeing the reply.

“EXCLUSIVE: @realDonaldTrump considering some sort of executive action today to allow children to stay with detained parents through immigration adjudication process. Sources say Admin believes it is likely to draw a court challenge on the basis of Flores v Reno”

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:11:58am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:12:24am

re: #388 makeitstop

“EXCLUSIVE: @realDonaldTrump considering some sort of executive action today to allow children to stay with detained parents through immigration adjudication process. Sources say Admin believes it is likely to draw a court challenge on the basis of Flores v Reno”

Today:
Parents who drag their children illegally across our borders deserve to be separated!!! Screw em!!!

Tomorrow:
Drumpf ends terrible abusive Democrat law separating children!!!!

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:12:25am

(Sorry, misread)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:13:02am

re: #390 Sir John Barron

Today:
Parents who drag their children illegally across our borders deserve to be separated!!! Screw em!!!

Tomorrow:
Drumpf ends terrible abusive Democrat law separating children!!!!

You nailed it

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electrotek  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:13:37am

A Chaldean Catholic Church in Chicago has been shamefully silent but has no problem wishing Trump a happy birthday 🙄🙄

Facebook Post

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fern01  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:14:54am

re: #253 MsJ

Melania trump - lied on her application - worked on a tourist visa. Married to get citizenship.

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:15:33am

re: #390 Sir John Barron

Today:
Parents who drag their children illegally across our borders deserve to be separated!!! Screw em!!!

Tomorrow:
Drumpf ends terrible abusive Democrat law separating children!!!!

Sunday:

“Look, the issue’s been dealt with, so let’s move on to the latest national disaster the Democrats caused!”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:16:03am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:16:18am

re: #394 fern01

Melania trump - lied on her application - worked on a tourist visa. Married to get citizenship.

lock her up and separate her from her children!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:17:14am

re: #396 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

80% of minors cared for by HHS arrived in the US alone, unaccompanied, without a parent. They were not separated by the government.

so what is your excuse for losing track of then, then?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:18:06am
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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:18:07am

re: #396 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“Officer, 95% of the time, I drive under the speed limit.”

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:18:42am

re: #398 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, I thought the idea that the government “lost track” of some of these children is itself not a bad thing.

That is, after being properly placed in a foster home, a parentless child to begin with, is not necessarily something we want ICE to constantly be snooping on, is it?

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electrotek  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:18:43am

re: #399 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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He will obviously sign it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:19:42am

re: #401 freetoken

Again, I thought the idea that the government “lost track” of some of these children is itself not a bad thing.

That is, after being properly placed in a foster home, a parentless child to begin with, is not necessarily something we want ICE to constantly be snooping on, is it?

It is all about flailing about for talking points, they are aware of the depth of the doo-doo they are standing in

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fern01  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:19:51am

re: #262 dangerman

I joked about this yesterday
The trifecta of eletction issues

The children
Shutting down the govt in October
And gutting Medicare etc

Well they have to gut medicare etc - because deficits - suddenly after massive tax cut causes deficits - they have to cut expenditure. 100% they will campaign on the deficit - those democrats will make things worse.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:20:21am

re: #397 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

lock her up and separate her from her children!

What will Donald do without his mommy?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:20:56am

re: #404 fern01

Well they have to gut medicare etc - because deficits - suddenly after massive tax cut causes deficits - they have to cut expenditure. 100% they will campaign on the deficit - those democrats will make things worse.

that was the other reason for the tax cut: to provide them with an excuse to come along and cut more social programs

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:21:48am

re: #396 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I believe the “80% arrived unaccompanied” is a lie — unless they’re considering the entire history of US entry from south of the border. Not sure about the 52%.

Of course nothing the While House says should be taken at face value.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:21:56am
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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:23:15am

re: #399 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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“There’s no such policy…okay, there’s a policy but we’re just obeying the law…okay, we can change the policy without changing the law.”

And all the media will do is give them “credit” for having ended the policy, many repeating the bullshit that this was an Obama-era policy that Trump just continued and expanded.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:23:44am

re: #401 freetoken

Again, I thought the idea that the government “lost track” of some of these children is itself not a bad thing.

That is, after being properly placed in a foster home, a parentless child to begin with, is not necessarily something we want ICE to constantly be snooping on, is it?

I believe it meant they were placed with relatives. Definitely keep ICE out of it.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:25:11am

re: #408 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Wow…I mean…WOW!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:25:14am

re: #408 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Wow, no more TCOT for Gov TCOT>

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:25:49am

re: #408 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

ALL IS WELL! ALL IS WELL!

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:25:58am

re: #408 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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“ABANDON SHIP!!!”

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:27:00am

re: #408 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Wow, they must really be afraid TX is turning blue. (Which means “TX Democrats will register and vote,” since population-wise, it’s been blue for a while.)

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:27:08am

re: #408 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

There’s your breaking point. When Governor Jade Helm starts calling for it to end, he’s seeing November.

I so wish he could be replaced.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:27:32am

re: #396 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

still digging

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fern01  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:30:02am

re: #356 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I’m 52. When I was growing up, the term was “illegal aliens” and the occasional “wetback.”

I’ve heard “wetback” - sadly. Never heard the aliens - but I live in a different part of the world (which also treats immigrants badly, although we have yet to get into kidnapping and locking up children).

I will always be repulsed by those who call people “aliens”

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:30:29am

And remember, folks, they have more of this shit planned out for the summer and fall.

It’s like a party committing slow-motion suicide.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:33:26am

Yeah I don’t trust to do the right thing at all and I certainly don’t expect apologies.

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fern01  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:33:57am

re: #371 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was eight or nine years old when we went through confirmation/communion in the Byzantine Rite Catholic Church.

We got up on the altar and were asked “Do you renounce Satan and all his works and all his angels?”

To which we were taught to respond: “I do renounce him!”

I had no idea who “Satan” was nor did I know what “renounce” meant, but I recited it as told.

That would have seriously confused 8 year old me. Angels sat next to God - they had nothing to do with Satan when I was 8.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:34:04am

re: #416 Belafon

There’s your breaking point. When Governor Jade Helm starts calling for it to end, he’s seeing November.

I so wish he could be replaced.

They’ve lost Abbot. He most likely recognizes that this issue is political suicide.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:34:10am

re: #419 Targetpractice

And remember, folks, they have more of this shit planned out for the summer and fall.

It’s like a party committing slow-motion suicide.

First dead schoolkids, now crying refugee kids…

who knew that it would take so much suffering on the part of children to finally start turning things around for this country?

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:35:14am
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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:35:15am

What’s really gonna stick in Donny’s craw, and almost ensure a government shutdown in October, is that he’s about to release these hostages without having extracted his Tortilla Curtain ransom money. I suspect that means one or more heads will roll shortly as he looks for somebody to blame for this failure.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:38:07am

re: #425 Targetpractice

What’s really gonna stick in Donny’s craw, and almost ensure a government shutdown in October, is that he’s about to release these hostages without having extracted his Tortilla Curtain ransom money. I suspect that means one or more heads will roll shortly as he looks for somebody to blame for this failure.

“Mexico will pay for and build the wall!!!!”

/

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:38:20am

re: #425 Targetpractice

What’s really gonna stick in Donny’s craw, and almost ensure a government shutdown in October, is that he’s about to release these hostages without having extracted his Tortilla Curtain ransom money. I suspect that means one or more heads will roll shortly as he looks for somebody to blame for this failure.

Nielsen is my prediction. Miller is too much like a son to him.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:40:05am

re: #427 HappyWarrior

Nielsen is my prediction. Miller is too much like a son to him.

Tell Trump he’ll get the money for the wall on one condition. He fires Miller.

Then take back the House and pull the funding for the wall.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:40:55am

Obviously whatever it takes to stop the madness and save the children but when it comes from this place, I know they’ll change clothes and try to do it again. We gotta stay strong, vigilent and get them out of power forever.

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freetoken  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:41:20am

On a different topic, the Okeanos Explorer is online live again, part of an Atlantic Ocean cruise.

I believe today they are off of Florida: Windows to the Deep 2018 (Camera 1)

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Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:41:20am

re: #427 HappyWarrior

Nielsen is my prediction. Miller is too much like a son to him.

Mine as well. Nielsen was walked out to the press on Monday as a sacrificial lamb. A willing one, but one nonetheless. And like all the previous goobers, she’ll be totally shocked when she gets that call.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:42:59am

re: #365 Amory Blaine

Boat makers now face 210 percent tariffs on Chinese aluminum

Their buyers can use their huge tax cuts to make up the difference. So what’s the problem?

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Kilroy was here  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:43:13am

re: #431 Targetpractice

Mine as well. Nielsen was walked out to the press on Monday as a sacrificial lamb. A willing one, but one nonetheless. And like all the previous goobers, she’ll be totally shocked when she gets that call.

More likely a tweet…

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:43:33am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:43:57am

re: #429 JordanRules

Obviously whatever it takes to stop the madness and save the children but when it comes from this place, I know they’ll change clothes and try to do it again. We gotta stay strong, vigilent and get them out of power forever.

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that was mentioned earlier, that Donny had a problem with the optics of it all

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:44:10am

re: #429 JordanRules

Obviously whatever it takes to stop the madness and save the children but when it comes from this place, I know they’ll change clothes and try to do it again. We gotta stay strong, vigilent and get them out of power forever.

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I guess at least there are at least elections to worry about but damn.

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Teukka  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:44:36am

re: #389 JordanRules

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Jay C  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:45:03am

re: #419 Targetpractice

And remember, folks, they have more of this shit planned out for the summer and fall.

It’s like a party committing slow-motion suicide.

I’m sure they do: and it’s likely to be seriously fecal……

Except the biggest problem is that the Admin is going to be pitching its crap mainly to the “Trump base”, that the Official Party Line is that none of their actions are - or ever can be - “shit”, but serious, hard-nosed efforts to MAGA!!!!!, and that any criticism or cavils are merely the bilious sputterings of “haters and losers”.The “base” will gleefully eat it up, and the media will no doubt just keep on hemming-and-hawing for fear of appearing “divisive” (and dropping ratings).

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Old Liberal  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:45:36am

I am so glad I cut off all contact with anyone who supports Trump. They are beyond redemption, and I will not “agree to disagree” with people who support evil. I will not go to dinner with Nazis nor with those who support them. They will not be converted until their world collapses around their feet. Like alcoholics, nothing will change them until they hit bottom. I will not even slightly normalize them by interacting with them. I have taken whatever time I would have socialized with them and am actively working with the county Democratic Party and socializing with them. What a difference spending time with caring generous spirits.

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Citizen K  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:45:53am

re: #408 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’ll believe it when I see it. Especially considering this:

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:51:15am

Thread…

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:53:09am

OT, but some good news (if you’re a fan of public transportation) and IMHO, a good use of taxpayer money.

This is courtesy of Google Translate:

By the end of the year, 26 Tango NF2 nOVA trams will be in operation in Ostrava, which the Swiss company Stadler produces for DPO* in Poland.

This is what DPO Director-General Daniel Morys told reporters today. The tram company is exhibiting at the Czech Raildays Railway Technology Fair, which has begun today in Ostrava and where people can see the tram from the inside for the first time.

“At the moment, the new tram is on its way to the first 10,000 kilometers, and it’s supposed to run without a load, and another 10,000 kilometers will be loaded and then run on regular lines and be tested directly in traffic with passengers,” Morys said.

Even with the passengers, the first tram would go to Ostrava streets in August. First, one car will be driven and the next mileage will be added to the other routes after the prescribed mileage. The company has ordered 40 of these trams.

The last 14 cars will be delivered by the company next year, in each of the first seven months of the year. One tram cost about 28.5 million crowns, the total value of the order is over one billion.

According to the director, thanks to the tram, the company significantly refreshes its fleet. For both passengers and drivers, it is also a much more comfortable ride. “It’s not only about her silence, but everyone who goes by trams is coming to see herself very soon,” Morys said.

The tram can carry almost 190 passengers at a time. It is fully air-conditioned, including the driver’s cab, has a camera system, USB connectors or modern seats. It also has several safety features to protect both pedestrians and drivers. The company wants to deploy new cars on the busiest routes.

However, during the test trips, it turned out that several tram stops will not pass. According to the director, this is because some stops do not meet standards. Tracks are already being adjusted.

“We are not registering any major problems at this moment, and I admit that if we go through the entire track, we can find places where adaptation of boarding islands is needed,” said Morys.

Somewhere, he says, they can also cause a wobbly track. “In fact, it defines our priorities for repair and maintenance of the track, so the tests are done to know where and how to restore and improve the track,” the director said.

The Czech Raildays International Fair takes part in record 205 exhibitors. In addition to news such as the special MUV 75 or the MMD 2 tracksuit in the Railway Infrastructure Administration fleet, there are also great historical attractions.

People can see the refurbished locomotive E 499.0042 “Bobina” or the saloon wagon of President TG Masaryk. The trade fair will take place on 21 June at the station of the Ostrava railway station.

patriotmagazin.cz

*DPO means Transport Authority of Ostrava

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:54:16am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:55:36am

re: #442 Dr Lizardo

Forgot to add, here’s what the new trams look like: google.cz

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:56:21am
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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:58:47am

re: #445 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The amount of lying that is going to accompany all of this theater is going to be astounding.

Gaslight alert!!!

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:59:12am

Where are the so-called “Pro-Life” groups?

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plansbandc  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:59:27am

Good thread here:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 8:59:31am

The White House Mess is outside grilling at this very moment

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Interesting Times  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:00:16am

re: #446 JordanRules

The amount of lying that is going to accompany all of this theater is going to be astounding.

Gaslight alert!!!

From the thread posted above:

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:00:45am

Will this be like the NK “deal”?

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ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:00:49am

re: #423 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

First dead schoolkids, now crying refugee kids…

who knew that it would take so much suffering on the part of children to finally start turning things around for this country?

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves Wendell!

I don’t think we should say there is any turnaround until we see a firm Democratic majority in congress and Trump on his way out in disgrace.

With a media that goes on for two or three years about how bad the Trump era was for this country.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:01:43am

re: #440 Citizen K

I’ll believe it when I see it. Especially considering this:

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Exactly. Trump will sign the paper and make a big show of it, the outrage will die down and ICE will go right back to doing what they’ve been doing.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:02:34am

re: #452 ObserverArt

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves Wendell!

I don’t think we should say there is any turnaround until we see a firm Democratic majority in congress and Trump on his way out in disgrace.

With a media that goes on for two or three years about how bad the Trump era was for this country.

DO NOT FORGET THE 4500+ KILLED IN PUERTO RICO!

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:03:04am

re: #449 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The White House Mess is outside grilling at this very moment

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But it smells oh so good.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:03:12am

re: #447 DodgerFan1988

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Where are the so-called “Pro-Life” groups?

Quietly cheering this on.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:03:13am

re: #396 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Neither. Of. These. Statistics. Matter. (even if true)

And, sex trafficking.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:04:11am
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lawhawk  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:05:16am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

Trump and his feckless cunt admin (legal term) are busy separating children from their families and putting them in prisons while they ignore that those seeking asylum are entitled to legal protections as legal and lawful immigrants.

Trump’s managed to criminalize the action of seeking asylum, which is contrary to the entire purpose of asylum. You can request asylum offensively - as in turning yourself in at the border claiming asylum to escape awful situations elsewhere, or if ICE stops you elsewhere, you can claim it as an affirmative defense to deportation.

Trump doesn’t give a shit about any of that. Trump’s white supremacist base doesn’t care. They want the nonwhites entering the US to stop coming. They don’t want them to have the rights of immigrants.

And there’s word that the DHS will be submitting a letter to Trump reversing Trump’s policy. Trump can end this with his word.

He wont.

The GOP could end it by standing up to Trump, but they wont either.

Both Trump and the GOP are intent on using this to attack Democrats.

It’s all about treating Democrats as the enemy, when it’s Democrats standing up for human rights and the rule of law.

Trump thinks he’s above the law. The GOP refuses to hold him accountable.

Accordingly, the GOP must be defeated in this upcoming midterms and every election thereafter. They are irredeemable and must be treated as the white supremacist party they’ve become.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:05:47am

OK, this is odd, unless there was a serious accident that spread the vehicles across the bridge, how does that separation happen?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:05:58am

re: #449 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The White House Mess is outside grilling at this very moment

Who’s gonna eat all those drumpF steaks?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:06:44am

#DetainandMaintain

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ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:06:45am

re: #425 Targetpractice

What’s really gonna stick in Donny’s craw, and almost ensure a government shutdown in October, is that he’s about to release these hostages without having extracted his Tortilla Curtain ransom money. I suspect that means one or more heads will roll shortly as he looks for somebody to blame for this failure.

I called the first head on Trump’s chopping block to be Kristjen Nielsen yesterday.

She became a public focus. That is always a bad thing.

Would love to see Stephen Miller, but he lives under a rock so he remains protected.

Jeff Sessions is always a good candidate since Trump wants him gone anyway.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:07:18am

re: #458 JordanRules

Maggie’s always gotta weigh in with the partisan political angle.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:07:19am

re: #460 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

OK, this is odd, unless there was a serious accident that spread the vehicles across the bridge, how does that separation happen?

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Physics can be weird sometimes.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:08:06am

re: #461 Sir John Barron

Who’s gonna eat all those drumpF steaks?

$10 says they all go in the trash. Talk about wasteful spending.

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I cannot.  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:08:18am

re: #449 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

You realize they’re probably going to throw all that food away now, right?

They set this up and wasted everyone’s time so they could look like they did something urgently. Either that, or they didn’t have Trump’s favorite brand of fucking KETCHUP.

Really, I would HATE to be the guy that wasted chef Rush’s time, even if I was POTUS.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:08:36am

re: #422 Dr Lizardo

They’ve lost Abbot. He most likely recognizes that this issue is political suicide.

And he’s from TX. Maybe he knows the same thing that the Senators know.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:09:19am

I am so worried about fevers, the flu, SIDS breaking out in one of these infant prisons.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:11:37am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:12:21am

re: #470 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Your boss got elected calling refugees criminals…

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electrotek  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:12:34am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:13:36am
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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:13:42am

Trump craves moments like this, when the world is just watching and waiting, when he harnesses all his ill-gotten power to get all of the lights, when he can pretend and preen and not really do anything. He’s such a horrible, sick, broken man.

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dangerman  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:13:55am

re: #429 JordanRules

Obviously whatever it takes to stop the madness and save the children but when it comes from this place, I know they’ll change clothes and try to do it again. We gotta stay strong, vigilent and get them out of power forever.

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I just heard the news say the GOP is worried about the impact of images and tapes of children in cages on their chances in the November election.

The election. Not human beings. Not kids. Not morals. Not their own shriveled, decrepit souls.

Not the miserable policy oh no
The optics just look bad to the public

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:16:39am
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Stanley Sea  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:17:49am

re: #474 JordanRules

Trump craves moments like this, when the world is just watching and waiting, when he harnesses all his ill-gotten power to get all of the lights, when he can pretend and preen and not really do anything. He’s such a horrible, sick, broken man.

But this is what he really believes

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:19:10am

re: #103 JordanRules

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Love him!! That’s how these pariahs need to be treated in polite society.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:20:13am

re: #477 Stanley Sea

But this is what he really believes

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He’s fucking vile.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:20:28am

So, I figure I’ll put this up - some videos of trams here in Ostrava. It’s in Polish (Poland is only a few kilometers from Ostrava) but it’s got English subtitles.

These are older trams mostly but it’ll give you an idea of the kind of public transport that exists here.

And it’s quite inexpensive as well; I pay the equivalent of $25/month for unlimited public transit throughout the entire city, a total area of about 83 square miles.

Ostrava trams & trolleys / Tramwaje i trolejbusy w Ostrawie - CZ01

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:21:41am

re: #477 Stanley Sea

But this is what he really believes

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SMH
He’s never good at hiding it for long. Bigot idiot.

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plansbandc  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:23:20am

Bigidioted.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:24:15am

re: #480 Dr Lizardo

So, I figure I’ll put this up - some videos of trams here in Ostrava. It’s in Polish (Poland is only a few kilometers from Ostrava) but it’s got English subtitles.

These are older trams mostly but it’ll give you an idea of the kind of public transport that exists here.

And it’s quite inexpensive as well; I pay the equivalent of $25/month for unlimited public transit throughout the entire city, a total area of about 83 square miles.

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Our monthly passes here in Phoenix, AZ are $64 and don’t even include express and rural routes.

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electrotek  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:24:25am
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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:26:19am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:27:18am

re: #484 electrotek

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Sure they are. They’re committed to using years long sectarian violence to get one step closer to the rapture so people like Bob Jeffries and Franklin Graham can get their sick fantasies brought to life.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:27:38am

re: #485 JordanRules

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The greatest living American.

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electrotek  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:28:10am

re: #486 HappyWarrior

Sure they are. They’re committed to using years long sectarian violence to get one step closer to the rapture so people like Bob Jeffries and Franklin Graham can get their sick fantasies brought to life.

And to get back at the Muslims of course!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:31:16am

re: #488 electrotek

And to get back at the Muslims of course!

The people who want people who actually experienced Jim Crow to get over it can’t get over the Turkish conquest of Constantinople.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:32:47am
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Stanley Sea  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:32:49am
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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:33:02am

re: #458 JordanRules

And this shall be their downfall, worrying about whether it will put the Democrats on the defense. The earliest this will put the Democrats on the defense is if they get every family back together, and get them counseling.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:34:58am

The real money is made at the concessions stand

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:35:33am

re: #483 JordanRules

Our monthly passes here in Phoenix, AZ are $64 and don’t even include express and rural routes.

Thankfully, public transport here is very reasonably priced.

The closest tram stop to me is a two minute walk from the front door of my apartment building. And that particular tram line will take me anywhere I need to go in the city.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:36:15am

re: #493 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The real money is made at the concessions stand

Which is interesting, because I’m hearing that MoviePass isn’t going as well as they’d hoped.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:38:06am

re: #460 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

OK, this is odd, unless there was a serious accident that spread the vehicles across the bridge, how does that separation happen?

The Woodrow Wilson bridge is in VA. On the capital beltway. It has been, since time immemorial, a giant clustefuck of a bridge. And, it’s VA. A state with that has the most fucked up road system, evah.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:38:31am

re: #495 Belafon

Which is interesting, because I’m hearing that MoviePass isn’t going as well as they’d hoped.

Because their business model is to buy movie tickets and distribute them for less than they paid.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:38:39am

re: #495 Belafon

Which is interesting, because I’m hearing that MoviePass isn’t going as well as they’d hoped.

Yeah, I saw speculation about them closing up shop a few months ago.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:39:32am

Reported this monster.

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BeachDem  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:39:33am

re: #446 JordanRules

The amount of lying that is going to accompany all of this theater is going to be astounding.

Gaslight alert!!!

This made me want to puke:

I’m sure we’re just minutes away from Vanky saying something “noble” in her smarmy kitten voice.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:39:34am

Here is a quandry: Judd Apatow has called for a complete boycott of Fox media over the family separation issue. I never watch Fox News, and I’m not a soccer fan so I won’t miss the World Cup. But I have been enjoying the drama Pose on FX, and I’d like to see it get good ratings since there are so few shows focused on the trans culture. So what to do?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:41:07am

re: #495 Belafon

Which is interesting, because I’m hearing that MoviePass isn’t going as well as they’d hoped.

Movie Pass charges ~$10, AMC is charging $20, and will include IMAX and 3-D features

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:42:05am

re: #499 JordanRules

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Reported this monster.

Clinton haters be deranged. Chelsea does a lot of good in the world. WTF has this person done? And I’ll take the word of millions abroad than some smug dbag about HRC too.

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electrotek  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:43:59am

re: #489 HappyWarrior

The people who want people who actually experienced Jim Crow to get over it can’t get over the Turkish conquest of Constantinople.

hahahaha couldn’t have said it better

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:44:05am

re: #501 Big Beautiful Door

Here is a quandry: Judd Apatow has called for a complete boycott of Fox media over the family separation issue. I never watch Fox News, and I’m not a soccer fan so I won’t miss the World Cup. But I have been enjoying the drama Pose on FX, and I’d like to see it get good ratings since there are so few shows focused on the trans culture. So what to do?

I’ve been watching the Simpsons for years. This is tough for me too.

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electrotek  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:44:05am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:44:12am

re: #503 HappyWarrior

Clinton haters be deranged. Chelsea does a lot of good in the world. WTF has this person done? And I’ll take the word of millions abroad than some smug dbag about HRC too.

That person has a delusional timeline and tweets to Fox propagandists. She’s a wackjob pretending to fight imaginary evil

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BeachDem  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:45:18am

re: #480 Dr Lizardo

So, I figure I’ll put this up - some videos of trams here in Ostrava. It’s in Polish (Poland is only a few kilometers from Ostrava) but it’s got English subtitles.

These are older trams mostly but it’ll give you an idea of the kind of public transport that exists here.

And it’s quite inexpensive as well; I pay the equivalent of $25/month for unlimited public transit throughout the entire city, a total area of about 83 square miles.

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Compare and contrast with the Koch/Americans for Prosperity view of public transit:

Public transit, Americans for Prosperity says, goes against the liberties that Americans hold dear. “If someone has the freedom to go where they want, do what they want,” Ms. Venable said, “they’re not going to choose public transit.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:45:39am

re: #504 electrotek

hahahaha couldn’t have said it better

I’m part of Balkan Christian heritage as you may know. I don’t dislike the Serbian people as a whole but man the encouragement of Serbs to hold on to Kosovo is unreal. Be aware of the past but use it to make today better.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:46:16am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:46:37am

re: #508 BeachDem

Compare and contrast with the Koch/Americans for Prosperity view of public transit:

Public transit, Americans for Prosperity says, goes against the liberties that Americans hold dear. “If someone has the freedom to go where they want, do what they want,” Ms. Venable said, “they’re not going to choose public transit.”

Says someone who has never been to NYC.

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:46:41am

re: #501 Big Beautiful Door

Here is a quandry: Judd Apatow has called for a complete boycott of Fox media over the family separation issue. I never watch Fox News, and I’m not a soccer fan so I won’t miss the World Cup. But I have been enjoying the drama Pose on FX, and I’d like to see it get good ratings since there are so few shows focused on the trans culture. So what to do?

Seth McFarlane and one of the creators of Modern Family, I can’t remember the guys name, have become vocal about the issue of their studio funding Fox News. The Modern Family guy is ending his contract at the end of the year, and McFarlane donated $2.5M to NPR. There’s a lot of people having to make choices, and the thing with the Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, Modern Family, etc., is that Fox will continue to make money off of them.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:47:11am

re: #510 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That’s all that matters to them. That it makes them look bad. Assholes

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:48:54am

FFS!

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wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:49:43am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:50:56am

re: #514 JordanRules

FFS!

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Stop calling yourself a Catholic, Laura.

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I cannot.  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:51:00am

re: #503 HappyWarrior

And how does fuckin WoW have to…or Walking Dead? Ender’s Game? WHAT THE FUCK?!

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electrotek  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:51:03am

re: #509 HappyWarrior

I’m part of Balkan Christian heritage as you may know. I don’t dislike the Serbian people as a whole but man the encouragement of Serbs to hold on to Kosovo is unreal. Be aware of the past but use it to make today better.

Me neither, lots of good Serbs out there. But it’s stupid to hold on to a land that has a rather dubious history with them to begin with.

But that’s the entire Balkans in a nutshell. I’d rather Greeks be the one whining than right-wing Western conservatives personally. At least with Greeks, they have a leg to stand on, even if it’s irrational still.

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makeitstop  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:51:39am

re: #514 JordanRules

Catholic Church receives approx $90M/year for “refugee resettlement” in the U.S.

And Trump campaign contributors are raking it in by incarcerating refugees.

Ingraham’s not concerned with the money being spent, she’s pissy about who’s making it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:51:51am

re: #515 wrenchwench

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One of our most disgraceful hours as a nation but 79 years later we appear to have learned notadamn.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:52:17am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:53:12am

re: #518 electrotek

Me neither, lots of good Serbs out there. But it’s stupid to hold on to a land that has a rather dubious history with them to begin with.

But that’s the entire Balkans in a nutshell. I’d rather Greeks be the one whining than right-wing Western conservatives personally. At least with Greeks, they have a leg to stand on, even if it’s irrational still.

Yeah my grandfather’s best friend was Serbian-American and he was Slovene-American. They got along good due to sports, a love of the outdoors, etc.

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BeachDem  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:53:36am

re: #491 Stanley Sea

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American Airlines can’t even solve that “technical glitch” that has their regional carrier cancelling thousands

(“Approximately 2,750 PSA flights have been canceled since last Thursday, 2000 of which have been in CLT. So far today, we have canceled about 85 departures in CLT)

of flights, so I’m leery of them being able to sort through this.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:53:38am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:53:59am

re: #508 BeachDem

Compare and contrast with the Koch/Americans for Prosperity view of public transit:

Public transit, Americans for Prosperity says, goes against the liberties that Americans hold dear. “If someone has the freedom to go where they want, do what they want,” Ms. Venable said, “they’re not going to choose public transit.”

Oh, FFS. I have the freedom to go anywhere I want, anytime I want. The public transport network in Ostrava runs 24/7. At peak times (6 a.m. to 7 p.m.) there’s a tram departing from closest stop every 10 minutes. It only slows down after midnight; trams run once an hour.

Ms. Venable is talking out of her kulu.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:54:25am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:54:29am

re: #524 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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It’s still horseshit.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:54:47am

re: #521 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:55:34am

re: #524 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

And what about the families that have been torn apart?

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plansbandc  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:55:45am

So now we’ll just have “regular” internment camps forever. Yea?

That is, of course, if they don’t just continue separating children anyway.

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lawhawk  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:55:46am

re: #508 BeachDem

Mass transit has enabled cities around the world continue to grow and increase population density by allowing for efficient transit and travel.

It isn’t anti-Democratic.

Koch is just the latest in a long long line of people and groups intent on destroying mass transit to further their own goals or profits.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:56:03am

re: #526 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Next up…
Indefinite detention
No reunification plans

We still march June 30th

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lawhawk  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:56:06am
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Belafon  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:56:56am

re: #526 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That was going to be my next comment. So, now, we’ll have 30K kids in cages, but with their parents. We will have only shot off one foot but not two.

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:57:19am

re: #516 HappyWarrior

Stop calling yourself a Catholic, Laura.

Stop calling yourself human, you lying sack of shit.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:57:50am

re: #525 Dr Lizardo

Oh, FFS. I have the freedom to go anywhere I want, anytime I want. The public transport network in Ostrava runs 24/7. At peak times (6 a.m. to 7 p.m.) there’s a tram departing from closest stop every 10 minutes. It only slows down after midnight; trams run once an hour.

Ms. Venable is talking out of her kulu.

Oh thats the other thing…most of our buses stop around 10p.m.
Sorry service workers!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 9:59:21am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:00:54am

re: #536 JordanRules

Oh thats the other thing…most of our buses stop around 10p.m.
Sorry service workers!

Sounds like a rather mediocre public transit system.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:01:00am

re: #535 MsJ

Stop calling yourself human, you lying sack of shit.

Even better.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:01:52am

re: #514 JordanRules

FFS!

Big Refugee will be the next Deadbart publication.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:03:00am

re: #514 JordanRules

FFS!

The Catholic Church is a new entry on the Enemies List.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:03:50am

So let’s just do the Japanese internment style again! Yeah, that works! //

This shit is sick.

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allegro  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:03:54am

re: #537 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Hopefully the chef will be carting all that food to the nearest ICE detention center for the refugees.

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Kilroy was here  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:04:03am

re: #530 plansbandc

So now we’ll just have “regular” internment camps forever. Yea?

That is, of course, if they don’t just continue separating children anyway.

This is exactly what he wanted anyways… Think of the money his private prison donors will make off these low touch families. This makes up for all the non-violent pot smokers no longer entering the system.

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BeachDem  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:04:24am

re: #525 Dr Lizardo

Oh, FFS. I have the freedom to go anywhere I want, anytime I want. The public transport network in Ostrava runs 24/7. At peak times (6 a.m. to 7 p.m.) there’s a tram departing from closest stop every 10 minutes. It only slows down after midnight; trams run once an hour.

Ms. Venable is talking out of her kulu.

The Kochs have been leading the charge AGAINST public transit since 2015—fighting referendums all over the country. They are evil, greedy assholes.

nytimes.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:04:38am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:04:39am

re: #541 Sir John Barron

The Catholic Church is a new entry on the Enemies List.

It’s been after since Francis started talking climate change and not talking about gays and abortion as much. He’s actually as conservative as the church ever has been but he’s not obsessed so they hate him and he actually cares about people and they hate that.

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:05:19am

re: #541 Sir John Barron

The Catholic Church is a new entry on the Enemies List.

Hardly new.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:06:04am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:06:35am

re: #545 BeachDem

The Kochs have been leading the charge AGAINST public transit since 2015—fighting referendums all over the country. They are evil, greedy assholes.

nytimes.com

What do the Koch’s need with public transportation? If they don’t need it, neither should we.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:06:50am
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plansbandc  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:09:22am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:09:55am
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electrotek  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:11:12am

re: #553 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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After all the bad PR United has received in recent months, this will be their saving grace.

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wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:11:18am

re: #548 MsJ

Hardly new.

Catholic charities employ one or two of my immigration lawyer friends.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:11:40am

This is cringeworthy to watch. “Pro-Life” pastors defending Trump’s policy of putting immigrant infants in prisons to die.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:11:53am

re: #552 plansbandc

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The beginning was him on the campaign trail or even before then as the nation’s most prominent birther.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:12:30am

re: #556 DodgerFan1988

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This is cringeworthy to watch. “Pro-Life” pastors defending Trump’s policy of putting immigrant infants in prisons to die.

Modern day Utasse.

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:13:08am

re: #553 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Swell.

Now what are American and United going to do to reunite these children? Does anyone even know where they are?

I am sick beyond words over this. And I am not the biggest lover of children (why I never had any). But to rip children from their parents and do God Only Knows What with them is unimaginable. And completely unacceptable.

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makeitstop  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:14:19am

re: #541 Sir John Barron

The Catholic Church is a new entry on the Enemies List.

Nah, just reviving an old tradition. They’ll be calling them ‘Papists’ soon enough.

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:15:06am

If only throwing water on this witch would melt her.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:15:09am

re: #553 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:15:51am

re: #561 MsJ

If only throwing water on this witch would melt her.

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This is a person honestly more evil than Trump in many ways.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:16:29am

re: #562 Stanley Sea

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Evil bastards.

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plansbandc  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:17:10am

JFC

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:17:48am

re: #565 plansbandc

JFC

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….Jeezus

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:19:02am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:20:56am

re: #501 Big Beautiful Door

Here is a quandry: Judd Apatow has called for a complete boycott of Fox media over the family separation issue. I never watch Fox News, and I’m not a soccer fan so I won’t miss the World Cup. But I have been enjoying the drama Pose on FX, and I’d like to see it get good ratings since there are so few shows focused on the trans culture. So what to do?

I’ve NEVER watched anything on Fox.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:22:02am

re: #567 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

CBO and Federal Reserve and Goldman Sachs are in league with the Obama shadow government..

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:22:46am

re: #561 MsJ

I’ll bet ya Stephen Miller is probably pissed off too.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:23:23am

#567

Flattering Trump at WH, GOP Sen Perdue credits him for reviving economy stuck at Obama’s weak 1.9% growth rate

now, after Trump tax-cut/deregulation push, CBO projects 1.9% growth over next 10 years. Federal Reserve projects 1.8%, Goldman Sachs 1.75%, Penn-Wharton 1.7%

Are they factoring in the recession caused by the trade war?

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lawhawk  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:23:30am

re: #552 plansbandc

How the Holocaust began was when the fascists elected an extremist who put white supremacy as a central tenet of his worldview on display. Hitler demonized minorities and specifically targeted Jews as all that was wrong with Germany.

Change the names and the target, and Trump’s doing the same kind of thing. He’s demonized minorities, especially immigrants from non European countries. He’s takena page from the white supremacist playbook. It was clear during the campaign, but GOPers and many in the media downplayed it.

Now we’re seeing Trump enacting the very policies that were hinted at during the campaign. He’s got the GOP cheering all while everyone else is horrified. Some GOPers might be horrified - but only because it hurts their chances at reelection, not that they disagree or else they’d be demanding Trump reverse his actions.

The GOP continues supporting and enabling Trump while we’re slouching towards fascism and the very things we sought never to allow happen again (the Holocaust).

Trump’s policies are intended to cause maximium harms to minorities and immigrants, legal or otherwise. That he’s lumped legal immigrants in as well shows that he truly supports the white supremacist agenda. His deportation policy likewise shows he’s more interested in getting rid of nonwhites.

His statements about removing/deporting NFL players protesting police brutality and discrimination again shows his white supremacist views.

Everywhere you looked during the campaign we saw the signs. The GOP made him president - because of - not despite - the white supremacist views hitting a nerve with the white bigot brigade base of the GOP.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:23:48am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:24:00am

re: #556 DodgerFan1988

This is cringeworthy to watch. “Pro-Life” pastors defending Trump’s policy of putting immigrant infants in prisons to die.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing right wing pastors to adopt Drumpf as one of their own.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:27:15am

re: #573 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

detain and maintain what?

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ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:27:47am

re: #574 Sir John Barron

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing right wing pastors to adopt Drumpf as one of their own.

I doubt there was much convincing to do. The only hold up was the time it took them to look over the documents for where they needed to sign.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:28:22am

re: #565 plansbandc

Holy shit. If that turns out to be true, people need to be on trial.

I’mma thinkin’ something like this should suffice
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:28:54am

re: #575 Sir John Barron

detain and maintain what?

Detain kids, maintain their majority.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:30:13am

re: #537 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Must be in a big snit that he had to back down on family separation and that it was too toxic for the Congressional GOP to back him to the hilt.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:30:21am

re: #573 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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You love bragging about how your folks fled from Cuba. STFU you feckless wimp.

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BeachDem  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:30:34am

re: #553 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Then there’s this crap:

I learned from a fellow flight attendant that he was lied to by an ICE agent who said the children on the flight were part of a soccer team. When pressed, the agent finally admitted that they were, indeed children who were being relocated to assigned camps.

houstonchronicle.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:31:23am

re: #556 DodgerFan1988

This is cringeworthy to watch. “Pro-Life” pastors defending Trump’s policy of putting immigrant infants in prisons to die.

Fuck those Pulpit Pimps!

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:31:28am

re: #538 Dr Lizardo

Sounds like a rather mediocre public transit system.

Most US public transportation sucks because its viewed as for poor black people.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:31:45am

re: #568 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’ve NEVER watched anything on Fox.

The studio has shows on other networks, like Modern Family. That’s why the creator said he’s going to switch his contracts to another studio.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:32:42am

re: #575 Sir John Barron

detain and maintain what?

See VVVVVV
re: #462 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:33:06am

re: #565 plansbandc

JFC

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My gawd.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:34:27am

re: #583 Big Beautiful Door

Most US public transportation sucks because its viewed as for poor black people.

It’s totally different here. I see a broad mix of all socio-economic classes taking public transportation here. Sure, there’s poor folks, but lots of middle-class office workers, even a few rich people too.

One of my students is pretty well-off; he has a Ferrari and enjoys driving it, but he’ll certainly take public transit for the convenience and not having to worry about finding a place to park (and lack of parking places in the city center is a real problem in Ostrava).

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Teukka  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:34:56am
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Teukka  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:35:43am

re: #573 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:36:09am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:36:21am

re: #588 Teukka

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This guy is evil personified.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:38:07am

re: #590 JordanRules

Good. You can’t let up.

Bring maximum pressure to bear on that spray-tanned two-bit shyster sonofabitch.

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danarchy  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:40:28am

It seems to me that this new executive order will return to policies that were shut down by this federal court ruling in 2015?

nytimes.com

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:40:50am
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Teukka  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:41:08am
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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:42:44am

I wonder why now?

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:43:20am

Some breaking news here:

Michael Cohen, President Trump’s longtime confidant and former personal attorney, has resigned from his post as deputy finance chair of the Republican National Committee’s Finance Committee, sources close to the RNC told ABC News.

In his resignation letter to Ronna McDaniel, the RNC chair, Cohen cited the ongoing special counsel investigation as one reason for his departure. ABC News has reviewed the email.

“This important role requires the full time attention and dedication of each member. Given the ongoing Mueller and SDNY investigations, that simply is impossible for me to do,” he wrote.

abcnews.go.com

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:43:31am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:43:57am

re: #596 JordanRules

I wonder why now?

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Must be pleading out.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:44:33am

re: #598 JordanRules

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Give em hell.

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wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:44:44am

re: #578 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

re: #575 Sir John Barron

detain and maintain what?

Detain kids, maintain their majority.

Maintain power despite their minority. Hillary won the popular vote. There’s no electoral college in the midterms.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:45:03am

re: #565 plansbandc

JFC

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And it can get even worse, and probably will.

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Old Liberal  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:45:12am

It is long past time to “agree to disagree”. Find a way to be a hero for Democracy. Here is how a flight attendant will do it. She won’t work a flight that has hostage children on it.
We need personal resistance.

houstonchronicle.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:45:18am

re: #589 Teukka

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:46:12am

The media can’t let up either.

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wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:47:28am

re: #604 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Tweet it, post your tweet, and I’ll retweet. Nice work.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:47:39am

re: #593 danarchy

It seems to me that this new executive order will return to policies that were shut down by this federal court ruling in 2015?

nytimes.com

Thanks for finding and pulling that.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:47:49am

re: #590 JordanRules

I told my girls about what was going on and my eldest said she had read a story about it. I fleshed out the details and they are horrified. They want to go to the June 30 protest in our city. Just have to see if their dad will give them up for them to go.

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Old Liberal  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:48:13am

re: #298 William Lewis

Sean Duffy’s office is the worst. He is a complete asshole anyone from Ashland WI will say that. And his office has been trained on “getting the vapors”. I used the word “crap” on a call and the women said if I kept using profanity she would hang up.

Fucking dishonest clowns all the way down.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:50:03am

re: #588 Teukka

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Once again, The Onion nails it.

politics.theonion.com

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ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:51:08am

re: #596 JordanRules

I wonder why now?

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Would it surprise anyone Trump may have told them to kick him to the curb…he’s making Donnie look bad. Donny doesn’t like to look bad, even if there is no way to ever make him look good.

Mikey is finding out who his Trump friends are. No one.

Time to make new friends at the Mueller investigation offices and the New York prosecutors office.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:54:29am

Sorry the media doesn’t give yall equal time Nancy.

Keep showing up and showing out!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:54:29am

re: #611 ObserverArt

Would it surprise anyone Trump may have told them to kick him to the curb…he’s making Donnie look bad. Donny doesn’t like to look bad, even if there is no way to ever make him look good.

Mikey is finding out who his Trump friends are. No one.

Time to make new friends at the Mueller investigation offices and the New York prosecutors office.

I hope he sings like a canary.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:56:25am

“They’re not even saying stop,” Antwon’s aunt Mica Tinsley told the Post-Gazette after watching a video of the shooting. “They just started shooting, and he fell. He didn’t make it far.”

Police pulled over the car because it matched the description of one that had fled the scene of an earlier shooting where a 22-year-old man was wounded, the Allegheny County Police Department said in a statement.

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gocart mozart  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:57:38am
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Teukka  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:57:49am

Am I too angry to think straight, but what about

a) “Discommendate” Trump or a Trump Sycophant?

discommendation-ds9.flv

b) Whistle the recognizeable notes from “Schindlers List” if you see Trump or a Trump Sycophant?

Schindler’s list - Main theme (piano)

Any more mindcopulation ideas?

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:58:00am
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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 10:59:15am

re: #614 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:01:01am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:01:31am
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gocart mozart  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:01:54am
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danarchy  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:03:45am

re: #607 JordanRules

Thanks for finding and pulling that.

Unfortunately the way I see this playing out is that his EO gets challenged in court and shot down. At which point Trump says the liberal judges aren’t leaving any option he has to either separate the children or leave the borders wide open.

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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:05:45am
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JordanRules  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:06:57am
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Interesting Times  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:07:17am

Stupid Ontario. To think, we could have had this woman as our premier instead of that “Dollarama Trump” doofus doug ford -_-

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:07:57am
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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:09:14am

I realize this is Seth Abramson but this thread…

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:11:18am

re: #622 danarchy

Unfortunately the way I see this playing out is that his EO gets challenged in court and shot down. At which point Trump says the liberal judges aren’t leaving any option he has to either separate the children or leave the borders wide open.

It will be a rolling shit show humanitarian crisis that is going to continue to damage the GOP brand heading into the midterms.

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wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:12:53am

re: #624 JordanRules

[ Lilian is about to be deported without her daughter, who she fears she will never see again.]

40 years from now, they’ll still be doing DNA testing to try to sort some people out.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:16:42am

re: #629 wrenchwench

40 years from now, they’ll still be doing DNA testing to try to sort some people out.

It will be Trump’s legacy.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:16:51am
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gocart mozart  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:16:54am
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lawhawk  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:17:55am

re: #627 MsJ

I realize this is Seth Abramson but this thread…

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That’s your first problem.

If there’s $1.3 million then that would set off alarm bells over at Mueller and federal prosecutors, especially because that’s quite a windfall for a former FBI agent. They’d be interested in why he was getting paid that much and for what.

Not only would that potentially raise yet more FEC issues, but goes to FBI misconduct at the NY office.

It’s hard to trust anything he says, because it goes to confirmation bias.

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wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:18:20am

re: #630 HappyWarrior

It will be Trump’s legacy.

He has the DNA of thousands on his tiny hands.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:19:20am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:21:45am

re: #623 JordanRules

No policy. Not a policy. You’re the policy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:22:54am

re: #631 DodgerFan1988

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From what I read, he wasn’t so much picked on but desperate to be different from most of his neighbors in the worst ways.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:26:52am
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A Mom Anon  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:27:07am

re: #637 HappyWarrior

I was picked on as a kid. A lot. I also was physically, emotionally and sexually abused. And never once have I resorted to being a fucking monster. And being proud of it. I don’t give a fuck about his childhood and how he was raised, it’s not an excuse for being evil. And the people working with him know it and continue to show up to work anyway.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:28:15am

re: #639 A Mom Anon

I was picked on as a kid. A lot. I also was physically, emotionally and sexually abused. And never once have I resorted to being a fucking monster. And being proud of it. I don’t give a fuck about his childhood and how he was raised, it’s not an excuse for being evil. And the people working with him know it and continue to show up to work anyway.

Here here

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Sir John Barron  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:28:37am

re: #638 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“We are keeping families together….”

Just keep telling so many lies so differently you hope people will be snowed over.

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BeachDem  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:28:50am

re: #629 wrenchwench

40 years from now, they’ll still be doing DNA testing to try to sort some people out.

And I repeat my fear from last night:

I also have a sick feeling that some of the creepy evangelical adoption gang are lining up to take these kids (hey, if nobody knows who or where they are, who’s going to stop them?) and then we’ll never know what happened to them, until/unless they kill them like Hana Williams.

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gocart mozart  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:30:31am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:31:56am

re: #643 gocart mozart

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You’re an idiot Cupp. Btw big government? Really lady?

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Teukka  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:32:01am

re: #639 A Mom Anon

I was picked on as a kid. A lot. I also was physically, emotionally and sexually abused. And never once have I resorted to being a fucking monster. And being proud of it. I don’t give a fuck about his childhood and how he was raised, it’s not an excuse for being evil. And the people working with him know it and continue to show up to work anyway.

Bullied and physically abused as a kid here. If anything, my experiences have incentivized me to be better than my tormentors.

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wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:32:05am

re: #642 BeachDem

And I repeat my fear from last night:

I also have a sick feeling that some of the creepy evangelical adoption gang are lining up to take these kids (hey, if nobody knows who or where they are, who’s going to stop them?) and then we’ll never know what happened to them, until/unless they kill them like Hana Williams.

Everybody’s out to make a buck on the immigrants. Can’t lock up the kids? Farm them out!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:32:35am

re: #642 BeachDem

And I repeat my fear from last night:

I also have a sick feeling that some of the creepy evangelical adoption gang are lining up to take these kids (hey, if nobody knows who or where they are, who’s going to stop them?) and then we’ll never know what happened to them, until/unless they kill them like Hana Williams.

I worry about that too. It feels a lot like what happened in Argentina.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:32:48am
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BeachDem  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:33:39am

re: #643 gocart mozart

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And once again, an analogy fail from a trumper.

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MsJ  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:36:53am

re: #643 gocart mozart

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:37:34am

re: #642 BeachDem

And I repeat my fear from last night:

I also have a sick feeling that some of the creepy evangelical adoption gang are lining up to take these kids (hey, if nobody knows who or where they are, who’s going to stop them?) and then we’ll never know what happened to them, until/unless they kill them like Hana Williams.

Those kids are brown, you know.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:39:23am

re: #650 MsJ

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Yep. At the end, baseball is a game. This is life. Enjoy the GOP, SE, you belong there.

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plansbandc  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:42:25am

re: #644 HappyWarrior

I really enjoyed blocking her.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 20, 2018 • 11:51:57am

re: #650 MsJ

Sippy Cupp is a “Libertarian”

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BeachDem  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:09:28pm

re: #651 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Those kids are brown, you know.

That hasn’t stopped them from taking Haitian, Ethiopian, Guatemalan etc. kids, either to expand their evangelical base or use them for forced labor and worse.

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lawhawk  Jun 20, 2018 • 12:24:04pm

re: #638 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

All white guys.

All rich privileged white guys who want to preserve their power at the expense of everyone else’s rights - human and civil rights.

And they’re all engaging in rampant criminal conduct condoned by the GOP.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 20, 2018 • 1:39:59pm

re: #253 MsJ

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Still no yelling about shrinking the government from the usual suspects?


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