Incredible: An All-Acoustic Version of Snarky Puppy’s “Lingus” Performed by Kids (The Caspian Quartet)

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Completely acoustic version of “Lingus”, from Snarky Puppy’s 2014 album We Like It Here. YouTube.
Sheet music purchased from Snarky Puppy’s website and filled in with transcriptions where appropriate.

—-All instruments played by Caspian Quartet—-
Silas Friesen: trumpet, flute, piano bass, acoustic guitar, tenor recorder, percussion (cajon, thumb piano, claves, triangle, egg shaker)
Godwin Friesen: accordion, piano, melodica, soprano and alto recorders, pan flute, percussion (splash cymbal, spoons, cowbell, bongos, güiro, djembe, tambourine)
Amos Friesen: cello, percussion (rainstick, cajon, maracas)
Junia Friesen: violin, glockenspiel

—-Production—-
Amos: director of photography, video editor, dog whisperer
Godwin: creative director, audio/video assistant
Silas: recording engineer, transcriber

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416 comments

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bd(Redacted)  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:01:46pm

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William Lewis  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:05:24pm

I uh what …

did someone get the number of that bus that just hit me? I think a kid playing half a dozen instruments was driving.

Damn.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:11:36pm

Are these kids all siblings?? Wow.

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retired cynic  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:12:05pm

I LOVED that! Snarky Puppy better watch out!

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Ming5000  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:13:56pm

The complete video… song… wow…… Thumb up

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William Lewis  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:18:32pm

Not really a CL moment, but I’ll bring this forward anyway.

re: #574 William Lewis

If he can wear Q on his uniform, can I wear Sabokitty on mine?

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:19:13pm
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MsJ  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:19:18pm
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MsJ  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:22:40pm

re: #8 MsJ

Recommended: Time served.

Page 30

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:24:00pm

re: #9 MsJ

Recommended: Time served.

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He must have been a very good* boy….

*Bad for tRump.

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MsJ  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:29:13pm

re: #10 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

He must have been a very good* boy….

*Bad for tRump.

Well, this makes a big difference.

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retired cynic  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:30:57pm

re: #9 MsJ

Recommended: Time served.

Page 30

His attorneys are asking for time served, because he is just a good son and father and husband and has been ruined because of his loyalty to a man who is so persuasive that yadda yadda

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:32:38pm
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austin_blue  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:33:57pm

re: #12 retired cynic

His attorneys are asking for time served, because he is just a good son and father and husband and has been ruined because of his loyalty to a man who is so persuasive that yadda yadda

Fuck him. Give him ten years to contemplate his sins.

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MsJ  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:35:31pm
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MsJ  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:35:58pm

re: #14 austin_blue

Fuck him. Give him ten years to contemplate his sins.

THIS.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:36:52pm

re: #14 austin_blue

Fuck him. Give him ten years to contemplate his sins.

Ten years minus the number of years he helps get Trump.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:36:52pm

re: #11 MsJ

Well, this makes a big difference.

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Oh, well—[Emily Litella] Never mind! [/Emily Litella]

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darthstar  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:37:44pm

Drive by tweet drop off before bed…remember to respect each other’s space.

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MsJ  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:38:41pm

re: #18 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Oh, well—[Emily Litella] Never mind! [/Emily Litella]

Yeah. There damn well better be fucking consequences!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:39:12pm

re: #12 retired cynic

His attorneys are asking for time served, because he is just a good son and father and husband and has been ruined because of his loyalty to a man who is so persuasive that yadda yadda

Nope Mike.

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MsJ  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:39:21pm

Someone tell Massie that this is what happens when people get hungry.

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MsJ  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:40:26pm

re: #17 Belafon

Ten years minus the number of years he helps get Trump.

If you want to go that route, I think 100 years should be his base sentence.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:40:35pm

re: #22 MsJ

Someone tell Massie that this is what happens when people get hungry.

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Exactly. But when you’re an out of touch asshole wth only Ayn Rand and platitudes to guide you…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:41:30pm

Just for my grammatical education: “Legal” is an absolute, right? “Very legal” is like “Quite unique” or “Seriously killed”, isn’t it?

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austin_blue  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:44:16pm

re: #23 MsJ

If you want to go that route, I think 100 years should be his base sentence.

Yes!

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:44:37pm

Happy Holidays!

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austin_blue  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:46:02pm

re: #25 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Just for my grammatical education: “Legal” is an absolute, right? “Very legal” is like “Quite unique” or “Seriously killed”, isn’t it?

“Somewhat pregnant”. Not to be confused with “jumbo shrimp”.

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austin_blue  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:47:48pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

Happy Holidays!

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Grand Tetons!

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:49:25pm

re: #29 austin_blue

Grand Tetons!

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MsJ  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:53:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:53:59pm

re: #31 MsJ

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He’s such a creepy bastard.

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Camp Waconda  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:56:18pm

MSNBC saying George HW Bush has died.

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bd(Redacted)  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:56:26pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

Happy Holidays!

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In 30 years you won’t be able to find one son of a bitch that voted for him

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:57:06pm

George H W Bush has passed away.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:59:32pm

re: #35 Joe Bacon 🌹

George H W Bush has passed away.

George H.W. Bush dies at 94. The 41st president of the United States helped guide the world out of a four-decade Cold War.

Sorry, no sale. He guided us into the never-ending sputtering hot war we’re in now.

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sagehen  Nov 30, 2018 • 8:59:56pm

re: #9 MsJ

Recommended: Time served.

Page 30

but but but… he hasn’t served any time. any. at all.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:00:46pm
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MsJ  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:01:11pm

re: #36 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Sorry, no sale. He guided us into the never-ending sputtering hot war we’re in now.

The thing I’ll never forget is Mr. Bush asking rush Limbaugh, on a hot mic, “how’s our man, Ailes?”

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:01:28pm

Another funeral Trump won’t be invited to. Fucking loser.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:02:54pm

re: #31 MsJ

I think those fingers are from the playmate on the far right wrapped around the waist of the one next to her.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:03:20pm

re: #40 Ace Rothstein

Another funeral Trump won’t be invited to. Fucking loser.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Orange Foolius blocks a state funeral for him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:03:54pm

Condolences to the Bushes.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:04:00pm

re: #42 Joe Bacon 🌹

Deleted. Misread your post.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:04:38pm

re: #41 Belafon

I think not. Look closer.

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:05:32pm

re: #40 Ace Rothstein

Another funeral Trump won’t be invited to. Fucking loser.

Giphy

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:06:32pm

Trump is going to lose it seeing Bush praised.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:08:41pm

My best Bush 41 memory is that when he was a congressman his nickname was “Rubbers” because he believed in contraception and family planning. This was back when Republicans were sane.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:09:12pm

HW Bush to me is a mixed legacy. But I do think he was the last of a rare breed of Republican presidents that saw government not as the enemy. Certainly there are parts of his legacy I dislike and don’t feel should be forgotten but there are others I think he deserves credit for.

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bd(Redacted)  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:10:10pm

re: #35 Joe Bacon 🌹

George H W Bush has passed away.

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Sad. I never voted for him but he did serve his country more than almost anyone.

See his library.

I have seen the LBJ, Clinton, Bush Jr and Bush Library sad the Bush Sr. Library was the best by far.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:10:30pm

NYT obituary.
nytimes.com

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:10:31pm

re: #40 Ace Rothstein

Another funeral Trump won’t be invited to. Fucking loser.

Now watch as the wingnut media lose their fucking minds over the idea that the Bushes would ask Donny to stay away, screaming “IT’S TRADITION FOR SITTING PRESIDENTS TO ATTEND FUNERALS FOR PAST PRESIDENTS!”

They didn’t push it with Barbara because they still had some shred of respect for the family. And they hated McCain so Donny’s invitation being lost was treated as a positive for him. But this? Being told he’s not welcome at Bush Sr’s funeral while Obamas and the Clintons are? They’ll going frothing mad…so, really, nothing new.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:11:02pm

re: #48 Ace Rothstein

My best Bush 41 memory is that when he was a congressman his nickname was “Rubbers” because he believed in contraception and family planning. This was back when Republicans were sane.

I liked knowing he was the Navy’s youngest fighter pilot and no one knew he was some bigwig Yale rich kid. His political legacy is mixed to me but he served his country and promoted that as a virtue.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:11:22pm

re: #13 BlueSpotinAL

Everybody missed it, because it didn’t happen, really.
You can see, when viewed in motion, Trump doesn’t really appear to even notice them

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bd(Redacted)  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:11:37pm

I think it might be safe to say that GHW Bush was the best of the Bushes.

Thank you for your service, thank you, RIP.

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austin_blue  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:12:21pm

re: #33 Camp Waconda

MSNBC saying George HW Bush has died.

Very sad.

I liked George HW. He was an R in the old school. A Planned Parenthood supporting, deal-making moderate, who knew when to raise taxes when he needed to for the good of the country.

Obama visited him three days ago when he was in in Houston to speak with James Baker at Rice University.

What you didn’t see: any pictures of Obama talking to him, saying goodbye.

That’s class. He did it for George W., Laura, and Michelle.

Faux News will never acknowledge how gracious George HW was or how Obama is, given that he is a foreign-born, secret-Muslim usurper of ‘Murica.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:12:32pm

re: #55 bd(soros funded)

I think it might be safe to say that GHW Bush was the best of the Bushes.

Thank you for your service, thank you, RIP.

Yes better than his dad or sons. I’m glad he wasn’t away from Barbara too long.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:12:55pm

One thing I won’t get over with Bush was the whole “family values” bullshit in ‘92. I know for a fact that he felt it was beneath him but he did it anyway. Politico gotta politico.

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bd(Redacted)  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:14:20pm

re: #58 Ace Rothstein

One thing I won’t get over with Bush was the whole “family values” bullshit in ‘92. I know for a fact that he felt it was beneath him but he did it anyway. Politico gotta politico.

I, for one, am still waiting for my thousand pints of light.

//

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sagehen  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:14:25pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Trump is going to lose it seeing Bush praised.

Especially if (when) Barack Obama and Bill Clinton are invited to give the eulogies.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:14:48pm

re: #56 austin_blue

Very sad.

I liked George HW. He was an R in the old school. A Planned Parenthood supporting, deal-making moderate, who knew when to raise taxes when he needed to for the good of the country.

Obama visited him three days ago when he was in in Houston to speak with James Baker at Rice University.

What you didn’t see: any pictures of Obama talking to him, saying goodbye.

That’s class. He did it for George W., Laura, and Michelle.

Faux News will never acknowledge how gracious George HW was or how Obama is, given that he is a foreign-born, secret-Muslim usurper of ‘Murica.

HW and Barbara developed a nice bond with Bill and Hillary too. They were flawed people but I think at their core people that represented more positive than bad.

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plansbandc  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:15:31pm

RIP GHW Bush. A decent President and a decent man.

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:15:41pm

George H.W. Bush led a life of total commitment to service and country. He set a good example for principle and politics. Those were different times.

RIP

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:16:36pm

re: #58 Ace Rothstein

One thing I won’t get over with Bush was the whole “family values” bullshit in ‘92. I know for a fact that he felt it was beneath him but he did it anyway. Politico gotta politico.

Willie Horton and employing Atwater as a hatchet man for me but I also as someone with a disability, ADA. I don’t think he was s cruel or malicious man.

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jaunte  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:16:47pm

Whenever I think of GHW Bush, I remember what he escaped as a young man.

Nine airmen escaped from their planes after being shot down during bombing raids on Chichi Jima, a tiny island 700 miles (1,100 km) south of Tokyo, in September 1944. Eight were captured. The ninth, the only one to evade capture, was future US President George H. W. Bush, then a 20-year-old pilot.[1]

After the war, it was discovered that the captured airmen had been beaten and tortured before being executed. The airmen were beheaded on the orders of Lt Gen. Yoshio Tachibana (立花芳夫, Tachibana Yoshio). American authorities claimed that Japanese officers then ate parts of the bodies of four of the men.

Tachibana, alongside 11 other Japanese personnel, was tried in August 1946 in relation to the execution of U.S. Navy airmen, and the cannibalism of at least one of them, during August 1944. Because military and international law did not specifically deal with cannibalism, they were tried for murder and “prevention of honorable burial”.
en.wikipedia.org

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bd(Redacted)  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:17:07pm

re: #60 sagehen

Especially if (when) Barack Obama and Bill Clinton are invited to give the eulogies.

Hair Furor will handle this with his usual horror.

Protocol will be usurped, he’ll be a dick.

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:17:58pm

I view Bush Sr.’s presidency, for better or worse, as simply a four year closing of his boss’ presidency. He helped shepherd much of the work that had been started by Ron through to the end, he dealt with the domestic and foreign issues that cropped up as a result of policies his boss put in place, and ultimately his presidency fell victim to the economic lunacy that was “Reaganomics.” He never got a true presidency to call his own, but instead the rump term that his boss couldn’t get due to 22A.

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ipsos  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:18:00pm

You could disagree with Bush (and lordy, did I ever) and still respect him for his commitment to public service. Which I did. I’m sorry to see his generation go.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:18:48pm

re: #65 jaunte

Whenever I think of GHW Bush, I remember what he escaped as a young man.

That’s why I admire him. Yet he was modest about it. I always wondered how he felt about Reagan mistaking his film exploits with reality in regards to the war. I get Reagan probably had dementia.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:18:53pm

Well, I think we all expected it wouldn’t be very long before HW followed Barbara.

I’m wondering if Melania will be attending a Bush funeral solo again.

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William Lewis  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:18:56pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

HW Bush to me is a mixed legacy. But I do think he was the last of a rare breed of Republican presidents that saw government not as the enemy. Certainly there are parts of his legacy I dislike and don’t feel should be forgotten but there are others I think he deserves credit for.

He came from big money and could have had an easy time in WWII, yet he was a combat pilot. I may disagree with nearly everything he did after that but his service was real.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:20:16pm

re: #71 William Lewis

He came from big money and could have had an easy time in WWII, yet he was a combat pilot. I may disagree with nearly everything he did after that but his service was real.

Exactly. The man was a hero. He was all about serving his country. A patriot.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:20:59pm

re: #45 Ace Rothstein

I think not. Look closer.

I did. i downloaded and zoomed in. And you will notice part of the arm of the playmate on the right that lines up with the position of the fingers. Plus, there’s not enough indention on Ivanka’s dress if those were his fingers.

Edit: Plus, there are shadows to the left and below the fingers.

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bd(Redacted)  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:21:40pm

GHWB was the 1st elite politician I protested in front of while he was VP. I believe my claim to fame was yelling at him to “get a job” as he drove in front of our fraternity house in Denton, TX.

:)

This country has moved sooooo far right, I would give my eye teeth to see a republican like him again.

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TedStriker  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:23:46pm

re: #59 bd(soros funded)

I, for one, am still waiting for my thousand pints of light.

//

Light beer ain’t beer…it’s barely above piss and contains more water.

///

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:23:52pm

re: #67 Targetpractice

I view Bush Sr.’s presidency, for better or worse, as simply a four year closing of his boss’ presidency. He helped shepherd much of the work that had been started by Ron through to the end, he dealt with the domestic and foreign issues that cropped up as a result of policies his boss put in place, and ultimately his presidency fell victim to the economic lunacy that was “Reaganomics.” He never got a true presidency to call his own, but instead the rump term that his boss couldn’t get due to 22A.

Clinton also got blamed (later & now) for all the US military force reductions that HW initiated after the breakup of the Soviet Union

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:24:03pm

I admire how he took any job he could to build up hid political resume. In an age where we have someone profoundly unqualified as President, I respect that he did so many under the radar jobs.

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:24:52pm

I am not beneath a state-the-obvious tweet.

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bd(Redacted)  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:25:09pm

re: #71 William Lewis

He came from big money and could have had an easy time in WWII, yet he was a combat pilot. I may disagree with nearly everything he did after that but his service was real.

Ronald Reagan and John Wayne missed the war for BS reasons, citing bone spurs would have gotten you slapped.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:26:22pm

re: #59 bd(soros funded)

I, for one, am still waiting for my thousand pints of light.

//

I think I drank my thousand pints of light during his presidency

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:26:29pm

re: #79 bd(soros funded)

Ronald Reagan and John Wayne missed the war for BS reasons, citing bone spurs would have gotten you slapped.

Yeah I hate Wayne being called a hero. It’s not because Wayne was an ass imo but because there were plenty of actual heroes then.

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bd(Redacted)  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:26:36pm

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sagehen  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:27:05pm

re: #67 Targetpractice

I view Bush Sr.’s presidency, for better or worse, as simply a four year closing of his boss’ presidency. He helped shepherd much of the work that had been started by Ron through to the end, he dealt with the domestic and foreign issues that cropped up as a result of policies his boss put in place, and ultimately his presidency fell victim to the economic lunacy that was “Reaganomics.” He never got a true presidency to call his own, but instead the rump term that his boss couldn’t get due to 22A.

He prevented WWIII.

When the Soviet Union collapsed and a dozen new democracies came into being, it all looked so smooth and easy and “inevitable” — HW never got the credit he deserved for maneuvering behind closed doors with such skill and subtlety that hardly anyone even noticed how he saved the world from total destruction.

And then never mentioned it in his re-election campaign; because being quiet about it was the only way to make it stick.

Every time he had a choice between his own job security and the best interests of the country and world… he chose everyone else. It cost him his job, and we owe him more than most people will ever know.

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:27:53pm

As if this week wasn’t bad enough, now Donny is gonna find himself in his moment of “triumph” being totally alone as the world rushes to honor and remember Bush Sr and mourn his passing. Statesmen and men of great power who wouldn’t give him the time of day are going to sent condolences to the family and prepare to fly in for the funeral. Any media coverage of NAFTA 1.2 and his appearance at the G20 are gonna be pushed to the side for news stories about Bush Sr, the planning for the funeral, and world leaders giving speeches about him. Nobody is gonna want to give him the time of day, which is why he’s gonna find some way to act out, because he hates not being the center of attention.

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:28:13pm

My governor-elect.

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TedStriker  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:29:05pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

Yeah I hate Wayne being called a hero. It’s not because Wayne was an ass imo but because there were plenty of actual heroes then.

Like Jimmy Stewart and Audie Murphy (though Murphy didn’t get into acting until after the war), for starters.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:31:25pm
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William Lewis  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:31:29pm

re: #79 bd(soros funded)

Ronald Reagan and John Wayne missed the war for BS reasons, citing bone spurs would have gotten you slapped.

Jimmy Stewart flew combat and was in the reserves for decades after the war. They could have, had they really wanted to but neither really did.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:31:31pm

re: #86 TedStriker

Like Jimmy Stewart and Audie Murphy (though Murphy didn’t get into acting until after the war), for starters.

Right. Jimmy Stewart was right wing too but a hero. Ted Williams as well. Wayne played heroes. Jimmy, Ted, George, Audie, & millions of other young men and women actually were.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:32:47pm

re: #88 William Lewis

Jimmy Stewart flew combat and was in the reserves for decades after the war. They could have, had they really wanted to but neither really did.

They definitely could have.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:32:47pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:33:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:36:19pm

re: #92 teleskiguy

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Damn wish they shared this baseball one.
google.com

HW’s coach at Yale, Joe Wood had played professionally with The Babe.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:36:59pm

The President of the United States won’t be invited to the funeral of an ex-President of the United States…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:37:25pm

re: #94 Ace Rothstein

The President of the United States won’t be invited to the funeral of an ex-President of the United States…

Totally normal.//

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austin_blue  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:38:34pm

re: #70 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, I think we all expected it wouldn’t be very long before HW followed Barbara.

I’m wondering if Melania will be attending a Bush funeral solo again.

Yes, I believe she will. The Clintons, the Obamas, and the Carters will be there with GW and Laura.

Trump won’t attend. After recent events, he won’t be able to carry enough tissues to wipe off the spit deposited on his face.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:38:47pm

“The assault was on, I got knocked to the ground by one
Shocked in an unorthodox form boxing
Throwing an abnormal proportion of body blows, karate chops
And drop kicks, plunged struggling deeper into the swamp”
-Blackalicious, Cliffhanger

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bd(Redacted)  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:39:33pm

re: #88 William Lewis

Jimmy Stewart flew combat and was in the reserves for decades after the war. They could have, had they really wanted to but neither really did.

Benny Goodman didn’t have to go to war and his body will never be found.

Ted Williams and most MLB players went to war, leaving skeleton crews. Reagan & Wayne, not so much.

The son of a senator George Herbert Walker Bush enlisted and served with honor.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:39:56pm

This photo of Bush 41 for Time (Man of the Year portrait) got Greg Heisler temporarily banned from the White House.

petapixel.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:40:04pm

re: #91 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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TedStriker  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:40:10pm

re: #83 sagehen

He prevented WWIII.

When the Soviet Union collapsed and a dozen new democracies came into being, it all looked so smooth and easy and “inevitable” — HW never got the credit he deserved for maneuvering behind closed doors with such skill and subtlety that hardly anyone even noticed how he saved the world from total destruction.

And then never mentioned it in his re-election campaign; because being quiet about it was the only way to make it stick.

Every time he had a choice between his own job security and the best interests of the country and world… he chose everyone else. It cost him his job, and we owe him more than most people will ever know.

That was probably the best thing about GHWB having been CIA director and in Congress before having been VPOTUS and POTUS…he knew the players on the world stage and he knew the stakes.

That’s not to say he always got it right on foreign policy (see: Gulf War I, Panama, and the rest of Central and South America), but he got it right much more often than not.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:41:17pm

I always thought even though I didn’t support the presidency at all a bit neat Barbara and George got to see not only their son become President but be there for the whole ride. JFK technically is the only other president for that to happen with.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:42:19pm

re: #98 bd(soros funded)

Benny Goodman didn’t have to go to war and his body will never be found.

Ted Williams and most MLB players went to war, leaving skeleton crews. Reagan & Wayne, not so much.

The son of a senator George Herbert Walker Bush enlisted and served with honor.

Glenn Miller not Benny.

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:42:47pm
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Ace-o-aces  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:42:59pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:44:07pm

re: #96 austin_blue

Yes, I believe she will. The Clintons, the Obamas, and the Carters will be there with GW and Laura.

Trump won’t attend. After recent events, he won’t be able to carry enough tissues to wipe off the spit deposited on his face.

The thing though, it’s not the former First Lady’s services.
The events conducted for McCain is a fraction of what will take place for HW.
I’m not sure even the family can rightfully keep the sitting President from attending. Protocol and all

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:44:08pm

re: #79 bd(soros funded)

Ronald Reagan and John Wayne missed the war for BS reasons, citing bone spurs would have gotten you slapped.

I’ll don my devil’s advocate robes for a sec to speak in Wayne’s defense. He was 34 and the breadwinner for a family of 5 when WWII started, so he started the war with a 3-A (family hardship) deferment. And he got his breakthrough film role in ‘39, actually getting cast against the studio’s wishes, and worried that joining the war would mean aging him out of the big roles he was now being cast for. Finally, he applied for and got accepted to the Army billet set aside for the OSS, but they didn’t have a current address for him and so sent it to his estranged wife’s house.

So yeah, he didn’t serve, but it wasn’t because he was a coward who wanted to avoid actual combat.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:45:01pm

It’s not merely he volunteered. It’s he went beyond the call of duty to become a fighter pilot. I mean scary enough to be shot down even more scary to worry about landing in Japanese hands.

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sagehen  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:46:00pm

re: #98 bd(soros funded)

Benny Goodman didn’t have to go to war and his body will never be found.

Ted Williams and most MLB players went to war, leaving skeleton crews. Reagan & Wayne, not so much.

The son of a senator George Herbert Walker Bush enlisted and served with honor.

JFK was the son of an ambassador; when he first tried to enlist he was refused for medical reasons (bad back). His dad had to pull strings and call in favors for him to be able to join.

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William Lewis  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:46:46pm

re: #98 bd(soros funded)

Glenn Miller but I get what you mean.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:46:52pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

I’ll don my devil’s advocate robes for a sec to speak in Wayne’s defense. He was 34 and the breadwinner for a family of 5 when WWII started, so he started the war with a 3-A (family hardship) deferment. And he got his breakthrough film role in ‘39, actually getting cast against the studio’s wishes, and worried that joining the war would mean aging him out of the big roles he was now being cast for. Finally, he applied for and got accepted to the Army billet set aside for the OSS, but they didn’t have a current address for him and so sent it to his estranged wife’s house.

So yeah, he didn’t serve, but it wasn’t because he was a coward who wanted to avoid actual combat.

Didn’t know that. I guess what gets me is he shat on war protesters later and called them cowards. But that’s fair.

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bd(Redacted)  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:47:11pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Glenn Miller not Benny.

Thank you.

LOL, looks like Benny did not serve thusly did not die in WW2.

1,000 apologies

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:47:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:47:18pm

re: #109 sagehen

JFK was the son of an ambassador; when he first tried to enlist he was refused for medical reasons (bad back). His dad had to pull strings and call in favors for him to be able to join.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:47:45pm

re: #112 bd(soros funded)

Thank you.

LOL, looks like Benny did not serve thusly did not doe in WW2.

1,000 apologies

All good.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:48:21pm

re: #113 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Bye Gina.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:49:37pm

George HW Bush was ten times the fucking President Trump will ever be.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:49:37pm

PK, we’re all waiting for what embarrassing collection of gibberish the White House produced for Dotard in the coming hours

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bd(Redacted)  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:51:04pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

All good.

I typically do good remembering things that happened 20 years before I was born!

(that is scary enough to realize that, I have t-shirts that are 20 years old!!))

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:51:25pm

re: #109 sagehen

JFK was the son of an ambassador; when he first tried to enlist he was refused for medical reasons (bad back). His dad had to pull strings and call in favors for him to be able to join.

Wanted to join the Army, but the back problems kept him out. So he joined the Naval Reserve, which probably was enough to mollify ol’ Joe Sr as he wanted to create a family dynasty and figured it was bad enough he’d allowed Joe Jr to join the Army Air Corps. Probably drove him crazy when John went from instructor to combat duty.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:51:37pm

re: #117 Eclectic Cyborg

George HW Bush was ten times the fucking President Trump will ever be.

Only ten?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:52:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:52:12pm

re: #118 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

PK, we’re all waiting for what embarrassing collection of gibberish the White House produced for Dotard in the coming hours

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Great statement.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:53:03pm

re: #122 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Hollow as hell since we know he mocked thousand points of light.

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Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:53:19pm

Has Trump put out a statement yet? I hope he is very publicly disinvited to the funeral.

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:53:43pm

re: #122 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Now let’s wait for the actual statement from Donny, rather than what a speechwriter churned out for public consumption.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:54:48pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

Now let’s wait for the actual statement from Donny, rather than what a speechwriter churned out for public consumption.

THIS.

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jaunte  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:55:05pm

re: #122 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Several words in there that have never passed through the pursed lips of DT.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:55:12pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

Now let’s wait for the actual statement from Donny, rather than what a speechwriter churned out for public consumption.

Seriously. It’s obviously not his words. We know how Donald talks.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:55:55pm

re: #118 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

PK, we’re all waiting for what embarrassing collection of gibberish the White House produced for Dotard in the coming hours

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Beautiful, moving statement from a great former President.

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jaunte  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:56:00pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

He never says anything nice about anyone else without adding something nicer about himself.

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William Lewis  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:56:04pm

re: #122 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That speech writer did well.

Now let’s hear how badly the Orange Fool flubs it.

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Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:57:01pm

re: #125 Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch
Posted right as someone posted the Trump statement. Too many bigly words and not enough capitalizations so we know it didn’t come from Trump himself.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:57:18pm

re: #122 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

A statement that clearly DJT did not write himself, but totally respectful and appropriate.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 9:58:01pm

re: #131 jaunte

He never says anything nice about anyone else without adding something nicer about himself.

I would have got Saddam okay. General Schwarzkopf said I was the basis for Three Kings.

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austin_blue  Nov 30, 2018 • 10:02:31pm

re: #101 TedStriker

That was probably the best thing about GHWB having been CIA director and in Congress before having been VPOTUS and POTUS…he knew the players on the world stage and he knew the stakes.

That’s not to say he always got it right on foreign policy, but he got it right much more often than not.

Bush was reluctant to get involved in Gulf War 1. He knew the history of the Middle East after WW1, and how the West had fucked the dog in partitioning the Ottoman Empire. Margaret Thatcher convinced him that Iraq could not be allowed to randomly invade Kuwait and that the west had to act. He reluctantly agreed, but made a point of not deposing Hussein because it would destabilize the entire region.

Thatcher agreed. Fast forward a decade and his son, heavily influenced by his Vice-President, his SecDef, and other Neo-cons (he was a former baseball executive and Governor of Texas) switched the narrative, blaming Hussein for 9/11 and having Weapons of Mass Destruction. So we invaded Iraq without the ‘91 coalition. Disaster. It blew the western Muslim world to pieces.

There’s a lot of stupid in all of these narratives, but GHWB was not a prime mover for the last twenty eight years.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 30, 2018 • 10:02:34pm

There’s a lot of video of Bush 41 out there. I think this 39 second clip is the one that matters most just now:

USS Finback Submarine Rescue — Sept. 2, 1944

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 10:02:39pm

I mean the WH statement is nice on paper but we know Trump belittled a lot of what was praised there.

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bd(Redacted)  Nov 30, 2018 • 10:04:33pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

Now let’s wait for the actual statement from Donny, rather than what a speechwriter churned out for public consumption.

I nominate Baron Whitey Von PussyGrabber to serve as acting ex-President until whenever.

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William Lewis  Nov 30, 2018 • 10:05:15pm

re: #137 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Thank you for that. I was not aware someone had filmed his rescue.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2018 • 10:05:25pm

re: #137 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

There’s a lot of video of Bush 41 out there. I think this 39 second clip is the one that matters most just now:

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Oh wow! Never saw that before. Wonder if any of the men from the Finback are still with us. You know they told that tale to their families as HW became a fixture in our lives.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2018 • 10:20:27pm

The thing I will credit HW with is ending the hijackings and abductions that occurred int he 80s. Reagan would get totally caught up in the tv drama of the abductions and hijackings, and would end up giving in to ransom demands. When Bush became president, he ended the payments. It didn’t take much longer for those to end because it wasn’t worth it.

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austin_blue  Nov 30, 2018 • 10:37:47pm

Raining. Soft front moving through. Maybe a quarter of an inch.

RIP, GHW Bush. Your service to your country is, perhaps, unmatched.

Dogspeed.

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austin_blue  Nov 30, 2018 • 11:05:31pm

The rain is slacking off. Night all. Sweet dreams.

Guess we will have to wait for Indictment (MTWTF) to get some sense of where this is all going, but the POTUS is a bag of pustulating flop sweat at this point.

It’s all crashing down, and the tick, tick, tick, of Mueller’s investigation is breaking him.

Good.

Next up are his children and Jared. Then Mueller will come for him.

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austin_blue  Nov 30, 2018 • 11:08:23pm

(stupid accidental double post)

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 30, 2018 • 11:12:57pm

re: #13 BlueSpotinAL

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Jesus Christ I hope this person hired a food taster

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 30, 2018 • 11:20:37pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Willie Horton and employing Atwater as a hatchet man for me but I also as someone with a disability, ADA. I don’t think he was s cruel or malicious man.

He pardoned all the criminal assholes that were involved in the Iran-Contra scandal to save his own ass and cover up the mountains of coke he facilitated coming north, so he can fucking burn in hell.

He led the CIA during an epoch when they propped up torturing dictators so no. Not going to write the blank check.

Yes, Bush I did some right things, because he had the bare minimum of a conscience, but that is all far outweighed by the damage that he did .

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Sionainn, Too Exhausted to be a Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 30, 2018 • 11:33:58pm

re: #147 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Too harsh.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 30, 2018 • 11:34:52pm
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Single-handed sailor  Nov 30, 2018 • 11:42:34pm

Mexico cuckolds itself to la familia.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 30, 2018 • 11:59:39pm

re: #150 Single-handed sailor

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Mexico cuckolds itself to la familia.

I have no idea what Nieto is thinking. It’s like he wants to be the most hated politician in Mexican history.

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meteor  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:03:36am
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Single-handed sailor  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:08:52am

It’s got to be code for something.

Kimim ° has f

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:14:59am

re: #153 Single-handed sailor

It’s got to be code for something.

“Covfefe” in Bulgarian

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:23:44am

Silas Friesen has great chops! Nice horn playing! And Amos and Junia on cello and violin did a great job playing those difficult atonal runs.

YouTube and the Internet are bringing so many talented young musicians into public view. It’s wonderful!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:27:31am

All alone in a room full of people enjoying each other’s company.

He’s the G20 social pariah. So much winning! MAGA!!

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:31:23am

re: #152 meteor

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They’re already flipping out this much when it’s the “small-timers,” so imagine how they’re gonna react the morning news comes out that Half-Scoop is being indicted.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:37:29am

I saw this picture and the caption wrote itself.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:38:59am

re: #156 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

All alone in a room full of people enjoying each other’s company.

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He’s the G20 social pariah. So much winning! MAGA!!

What a difference a year makes. Last year, they put up with him because he’d just won his election and couldn’t stop boasting about it. They humored him, even tried to approach him as an equal, and quickly got tired of that when he chose instead to act like an insufferable prick.

Now? Now he’s just been massively rebuked at home by both the midterms and the continued hammer blows of Mueller’s investigation, so they’re not even bothering putting on a show anymore. He’s the world’s laughingstock and they’re treating him as such.

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Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:40:13am

re: #156 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

He’s also in a room where there are actual tough guys who really do vicious things.

I suspect that short-circuits him just as much as being around people who are “smart” (or at least socially graceful).

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Amory Blaine  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:40:15am
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freetoken  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:42:10am

re: #153 Single-handed sailor

It’s got to be code for something.

Senility.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:46:28am

Last year, you had pictures of him doing things like sitting at a table looking smug while the rest of the world’s leaders seemed to be saying “Look here, you little prick.”

Now? Now he sits or stands alone, this forlorn look on his face, as men he once thought himself equal to if not greater than him are given smiles and firm handshakes by those same leaders who once paid him attention.

Here he is, leader of the most powerful nation on the planet, and he’s getting every bit of the disrespect that the Old Money crowd gave him back in NYC. It has gotta be eating him up inside something fierce.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:46:33am

re: #159 Targetpractice

re: #160 Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea

Canceling those bilateral meetings with a few of them did not help Trump’s standing with the leaders at all. He somehow expects everyone to kowtow to him and the USA because MAGA! but that ship sailed long ago. The USA might have been regarded as first among equals before Trump took office. Now it’s an also-ran, an economic powerhouse with dwindling geopolitical influence. The UK will soon join that club, minus the economic powerhouse part.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:50:06am

re: #163 Targetpractice

Here he is, leader of the most powerful nation on the planet, and he’s getting every bit of the disrespect that the Old Money crowd gave him back in NYC. It has gotta be eating him up inside something fierce.

Because they know, like the Old Money in NYC, that Trump is an empty suit, and an ill-fitted suit at that. He will never get the kind of respect he wants, because he does nothing to deserve that respect. At best, he might command some fear from those around him, but the rich and the powerful cannot be swayed so easily.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:54:04am

re: #22 MsJ

Someone tell Massie that this is what happens when people get hungry.

This is a feature, not a bug. They need new enemies to bomb and this saves feeding them.

They only care about having enemies, it gives them a reason to exist.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:55:20am

re: #165 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Because they know, like the Old Money in NYC, that Trump is an empty suit, and an ill-fitted suit at that. He will never get the kind of respect he wants, because he does nothing to deserve that respect. At best, he might command some fear from those around him, but the rich and the powerful cannot be swayed so easily.

Both groups see the same thing: A con man who thinks that a few gaudy trinkets indicates wealth and success. He’s the rich man’s version of trailer trash.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 1, 2018 • 1:01:18am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 1, 2018 • 1:05:09am

re: #167 Targetpractice

Both groups see the same thing: A con man who thinks that a few gaudy trinkets indicates wealth and success. He’s the rich man’s version of trailer trash.

Exactly. His base admire him because they think he’s rich and a self-made man, but the reality is he is neither. He’s in debt to his eyeballs, and he’s squandered whatever millions his daddy gave him over the years on cockamamie building projects and labeled consumer goods that all failed. If Mueller manages to seize any one of the over-leveraged Trump properties, the entire house of cards will come falling down.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 1, 2018 • 1:05:31am

re: #168 Ace-o-aces

I had a Nixon ‘88 t-shirt with that slogan.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 1, 2018 • 1:07:48am

re: #170 Single-handed sailor

I had a Nixon ‘88 t-shirt with that slogan.

It’s possible that’s were I plagiarized it from……

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2018 • 1:07:53am

re: #169 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Exactly. His base admire him because they think he’s rich and a self-made man, but the reality is he is neither. He’s in debt to his eyeballs, and he’s squandered whatever millions his daddy gave him over the years on cockamamie building projects and labeled consumer goods that all failed. If Mueller manages to seize any one of the over-leveraged Trump properties, the entire house of cards will come falling down.

Rather think that scares him more than the jail time, that his “empire” will come crumbling down and leave him stripped of even the illusion of “success.” In fact, I consider that one of the nicer scenarios to imagine: His sons in jail, his daughter unable to trade on her family’s name or rely upon her own husband’s real estate holdings, and him spending his remaining days trying to stay one step ahead of the bill collectors.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 1, 2018 • 1:11:52am

re: #172 Targetpractice

Rather think that scares him more than the jail time, that his “empire” will come crumbling down and leave him stripped of even the illusion of “success.” In fact, I consider that one of the nicer scenarios to imagine: His sons in jail, his daughter unable to trade on her family’s name or rely upon her own husband’s real estate holdings, and him spending his remaining days trying to stay one step ahead of the bill collectors.

Some of those bill collectors carry lead pipes and bags of Ready-Mix in the trunks of their cars, I bet.

Or polonium-laced Diet Cokes.

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Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea  Dec 1, 2018 • 1:15:35am

re: #160 Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea

I mean, we’ve seen the current POTUS switch into “notice me, mass murderer senpai” mode and it’s pretty gross….

In keeping with my earlier observation about cowardice and opportunism, Trump himself tries to get under guys who wield direct violence according to whim and want, because he doesn’t have that license (yet) and he wants it. There’s no genuine affection or even admiration, just hunger. Same as when he was hanging with Nick Casablanca (founder of Elite Models and pioneer in importing Eastern European teenagers to sexually exploit) and then decided to start Trump Modeling.

re: #164 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Canceling those bilateral meetings with a few of them did not help Trump’s standing with the leaders at all. He somehow expects everyone to kowtow to him and the USA because MAGA! but that ship sailed long ago. The USA might have been regarded as first among equals before Trump took office. Now it’s an also-ran, an economic powerhouse with dwindling geopolitical influence. The UK will soon join that club, minus the economic powerhouse part.

I have a suspicion there is a lot of background coaching and analysis going into g20 leaders interacting with Trump. He has obvious behavior patterns—all based around asserted power in petty, bullying way, and avoiding seeming down-power—but no true intellectual center—there’s no specific thing he wants beyond personal gratification, which generally comes from the aforementioned petty power plays…which makes interactions incredibly volatile, and…at a guess…a lot of people have just decided that direct engagement is useless because of his predictable unpredictability.

At this point, lots of them are trying to not spark a specific act of stupid retaliation and waiting for him to be replaced. Except for the autocrats, who know how to play this kind of behavior like a fiddle, and understand that a little praise can be leveraged to get a lot of leeway.

As harsh a critic as I am of US foreign policy, for years we’ve been the less-awful option, and sometimes even the well-intended bumbler, and that’s kept out allies on-side. But now it’s clear that the old alliances not longer have a cultural basis and many politicians beyond Trump are hopped up on totalitarian instincts, so things are re-ordering. Even if we recover and this nationalist strain diminishes, the world order will never be quite the same.

However—tinfoil hat time—I think this headfirst into the toilet thing the USA is doing is very exciting to a lot of oligarchs, US and otherwise. The US being even more income-inequal may lose us geopolitical power, but its a force-multiplier for trans-national interests…very rich people, corporations, kleptocracies…who love OPM and the model of “destructive capitalism.”

Basically, look at what assholes did to Toys R Us: make the company ineffectual, but derive a profit by leveraging every last extract-able dollar. Steal pensions, degrade labor rights, accumulate debt: when the whole thing crashes, butcher the company and sell off every bit of dirt and intellectual property. What’s happening to the country right now isn’t really that different. The huge tax cut, environmental regulations slashed, fuckery involving insurance, selling off federal land on the cheap, stealing government pensions…we are watching a nation being subjected to destructive capitalism. Devastated citizens that can’t afford anything, dying younger and in debt…that’s a win if you’re a certain kind of sociopath finance type. Desperate little people have to accept less for their hard assets; desperate little people can be pushed into coercive labor situations or otherwise exploited.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 1, 2018 • 1:15:39am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 1, 2018 • 3:13:04am

In Czech news:

The billionaire prime minister of the Czech Republic has been accused of a conflict of interest over European Union funds paid to his company, according to a leaked report.

The allegations will intensify pressure on the tycoon-turned-populist politician Andrej Babiš, who has been embroiled in scandal since taking office a year ago. Babiš faced calls for his resignation earlier this month when thousands of protesters took to the streets of Prague over allegations of a €2m (£1.8m) EU subsidy fraud.

The latest allegations centre on EU funds paid in 2018 to the prime minister’s business empire, Agrofert, a conglomerate of 230 companies covering agriculture, food and chemicals.

A confidential European commission legal opinion seen by the Guardian concludes that Babiš is in a situation that “qualifies as a conflict of interest”, because public officials and politicians should not benefit from EU funds they ultimately control. The taxpayers of the Czech Republic face being asked to repay at least some of the €82m paid to Agrofert in 2018, but the final bill could be much higher.

Of course, Babiš is denying it all, claiming it’s part and parcel of a vast conspiracy against him. Looks like the fucker is gonna stick Czech taxpayers (yours truly included) with the bill.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Dec 1, 2018 • 3:14:16am

re: #53 HappyWarrior

I liked knowing he was the Navy’s youngest fighter pilot and no one knew he was some bigwig Yale rich kid. His political legacy is mixed to me but he served his country and promoted that as a virtue.

One of my former employees was a tail gunner in his Avenger squadron. He said the lieutenant was just some rich kid from Connecticut.
H was the last Republican I voted for in 1992. I think he was like McCain in the sense that he was never the same after his failed Presidential campaign. It was a different age way back when Republicans were pragmatic.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 1, 2018 • 3:20:16am

George HW Bush also, briefly, gave Japan a new verb. Bushuru meant to vomit on someone at a social function.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 1, 2018 • 3:22:22am

re: #178 Dr Lizardo

Oops…..forgot the link. theguardian.com

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Axolotl  Dec 1, 2018 • 3:52:27am

re: #86 TedStriker

Like Jimmy Stewart and Audie Murphy (though Murphy didn’t get into acting until after the war), for starters.

Audie Murphy was a real life Rambo. He played himself in his own movie. The guy was a badass but looked like a choir boy. (Note: I’m sure you knew all that)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2018 • 4:01:56am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

HW Bush to me is a mixed legacy. But I do think he was the last of a rare breed of Republican presidents that saw government not as the enemy. Certainly there are parts of his legacy I dislike and don’t feel should be forgotten but there are others I think he deserves credit for.

Looking at him in the context of GOP Presidents of the past five decades, he was a sane and decent Chief Executive.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 1, 2018 • 4:02:39am

re: #182 Axolotl

Audie Murphy was a real life Rambo. He played himself in his own movie. The guy was a badass but looked like a choir boy. (Note: I’m sure you knew all that)

Apparently, they had to dial it down a notch in the bioflick about his exploits. No one would’ve believed the reality.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 1, 2018 • 4:33:51am

I do not know if anyone has seen this yet. If you have that is okay too.
washingtonpost.com
RIP George Herbert Walker Bush.

bbl

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Sufficient unto the day...  Dec 1, 2018 • 4:42:01am

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

I knew he was an unbelievably badass person…I didn’t know he was LITERALLY an unbelievably badass person.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2018 • 4:47:04am

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

Apparently, they had to dial it down a notch in the bioflick about his exploits. No one would’ve believed the reality.

It was actually at his request that they dialed it back, because he didn’t think anybody would believe the reality of what he did and feared being accused of making shit up.

To add to his legend, the man became addicted to sleeping pills as a result of PTSD after the war. Not only did he recognize the addiction, he locked himself in a hotel room for a week in order to go cold turkey. And then spent his later years refusing to appear in cigarette or alcohol commercials because he didn’t want to set a bad example.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2018 • 5:14:52am

re: #187 Targetpractice

and this at a time when PTSD was seen as a sign of weakness or moral failure…

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 5:27:25am
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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 5:39:54am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2018 • 5:41:39am

re: #190 MsJ

Late tonight, more big Michael Cohen news. New court filing says he kept Trump apprised of his communications regarding Trump Tower Moscow, including a “lengthy substantive conversation” w/ a personal assistant to a top Kremlin official and other interactions as late of June 2016

“a weak man and a bad lawyer”

“I hire only the best people”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 5:47:31am

I do think there’s one aspect of HW Bush’s legacy here that we solely miss right now. A President with the ability to laugh at himself. He enjoyed Dana Carvey’s SNL portrayal so much I believe they became friends and he liked playing pranks too. He was serious when he needed to be but not a cold, humorless President incapable of laughing at himself and his family.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 5:48:59am
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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 5:50:42am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

I do think there’s one aspect of HW Bush’s legacy here that we solely miss right now. A President with the ability to laugh at himself. He enjoyed Dana Carvey’s SNL portrayal so much I believe they became friends and he liked playing pranks too. He was serious when he needed to be but not a cold, humorless President incapable of laughing at himself and his family.

That is basic humanity. There’s something mentally wrong with a person who has no sense of humor or who cannot laugh at themself….or at least pretend to do so.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 1, 2018 • 5:57:35am

re: #194 MsJ

That is basic humanity. There’s something mentally wrong with a person who has no sense of humor or who cannot laugh at themself….or at least pretend to do so.

W also had a sense of humor, as did Obama. Trump, not at all.

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jeffreyw  Dec 1, 2018 • 5:58:27am

Imgur


Good morning!

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 5:58:55am
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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:01:22am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:03:02am

re: #194 MsJ

That is basic humanity. There’s something mentally wrong with a person who has no sense of humor or who cannot laugh at themself….or at least pretend to do so.

You’re right. The two I can think of that didn’t were Trump and maybe Nixon but even Nixon looks like Obama joking around compared with the humorless Trump.

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ThomasLite  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:07:53am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

You’re right. The two I can think of that didn’t were Trump and maybe Nixon but even Nixon looks like Obama joking around compared with the humorless Trump.

Well Nixon’s insane paranoia wouldn’t have permitted him to genuinely enjoy mockery of himself, I don’t think. As MsJ says though, at least having the humanity to pretend and go along a little makes a big difference, shows you at least understand the importance of working with others and not always needing to be the centre of the universe.
…Because let’s face it, that’s where Donny’s at. And that really is new.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:12:57am

About 90 minutes ago I was awakened by Scout going nuts, barking and squealing and narfing. I thought he really had to go out, but as I was getting my coat on to take him out, the wife notified me that there were a pair of huskies in our next door neighbor’s yard.

In my half-asleep state I managed to form a thought - our neighbors have a half dozen chickens. I told my wife I hoped the chickens were okay. I went and looked out the upstairs window and saw one of the chickens dead in the yard.

One of the young girls was just out in the yard walking around. I fear the huskies got them all. Poor little girl looked pretty distraught.

What a way to start a Saturday. Our neighborhood FB group is full of reports of the dogs running through the neighborhood.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:13:25am

re: #197 MsJ

I have high hopes that asset forfeiture is in Trump’s future.
Question: By not completely separating himself from TrumpOrg in Jan/17 did Trump increase the likelihood that he could lose more assets?

Does not matter personally for Trump, he is not likely to go to prison and he can continue to live comfortably if not opulently from TV appearances, book tours and public speeches and appearances.

But anyone else associated with him is going to be rightly fucked unless they are busy squirreling away as much as they can in places where it cannot be touched.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:13:54am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

You’re right. The two I can think of that didn’t were Trump and maybe Nixon but even Nixon looks like Obama joking around compared with the humorless Trump.

IIRC, Nixon made a guest appearance on Laugh-In.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:14:38am

Widdle Donnie isn’t happy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:14:40am

re: #203 Decatur Deb

IIRC, Nixon made a guest appearance on Laugh-In.

Rowan and Martin’s Laugh-In: Nixon says ‘Sock It To Me’

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:15:18am

re: #203 Decatur Deb

IIRC, Nixon made a guest appearance on Laugh-In.

“Sock it to ME?”

I think he made an appearance while campaigning.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:16:12am

I wasn’t fast enough!

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:16:39am

re: #200 ThomasLite

Well Nixon’s insane paranoia wouldn’t have permitted him to genuinely enjoy mockery of himself, I don’t think. As MsJ says though, at least having the humanity to pretend and go along a little makes a big difference, shows you at least understand the importance of working with others and not always needing to be the centre of the universe.
…Because let’s face it, that’s where Donny’s at. And that really is new.

It’s sociopathic behavior; the inability to be able to even act in societally normalized ways.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:20:22am
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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:25:31am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

I awake to find that GHWB has passed. He will rightfully be remembered as a president who gave his entire life in service to the nation, first as a naval aviator, then as a member of Congress, an ambassador, head of the CIA, VP, and then President.

No one else had that kind of resume as president, and none likely ever will. He was probably the most prepared person to be president, but even that experience didn’t prepare him for domestic politics and his failures around the economy.

He was better on foreign policy, shepherding the end of the Cold War, instituting various denuclearization treaties with the USSR and then CIS, making the US and world safer for it. Those are worthy legacies, as is his work with Clinton and then Obama on disaster relief for Haiti, Katrina, etc.

But he was not without his flaws, including his failures on the economy, the abhorrent Willie Horton ad (run by the guy who later headed Citizens United - and haunts us to this day), and continuing to pursue standard issue GOP economic policies that failed us then, and continue to fail us today as the defense budget explodes and tax cuts combine to leave us in greater debt.

It’s one of the reasons that he was a 1-term president, but his gracious letter to Clinton showed that he still put nation above all else.

That’s something that the current inhabitant of the WH will never, ever, get.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:25:56am

Apparently you don’t have to die. I thought that was a Darwin Award requirement.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:31:30am

re: #194 MsJ

That is basic humanity. There’s something mentally wrong with a person who has no sense of humor or who cannot laugh at themself….or at least pretend to do so.

Hell, even Newt fucking Gingrich at least pretended to be amused at Chris Farley’s portrayal on SNL. Sincerely or not, I don’t know, but it’s how you play a human on TV….

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:39:43am

re: #200 ThomasLite

Well Nixon’s insane paranoia wouldn’t have permitted him to genuinely enjoy mockery of himself, I don’t think. As MsJ says though, at least having the humanity to pretend and go along a little makes a big difference, shows you at least understand the importance of working with others and not always needing to be the centre of the universe.
…Because let’s face it, that’s where Donny’s at. And that really is new.

True that.

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:39:47am

re: #209 MsJ

“…The group’s most recent tax filing shows that it has consistently boosted its fundraising year-over-year. In 2016, it brought in a record $4.8 million, and upped O’Keefe’s personal compensation to $317,000.”

If ever a single data point showed the rich have far too much money to waste, it’s this one.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:40:52am

re: #214 jaunte

If ever a single data point showed the rich have far too much money to waste, it’s this one.

Yup. And that was before more $$ rolled in.

It’s fucking obscene.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:41:07am

re: #209 MsJ

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Welfare.

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:41:27am

So, a few folks were wondering in the prior thread what caused me to break with the right wingers. I’ve probably covered this a few times before when the subject has come up, as when Charles posted why he split with the right.

I came here after 9/11, and while I was always socially liberal, I was hawkish when it comes to national security and foreign policy. That was and remains my approach. The nonstop lies and smear campaigns by the right, and ignoring facts like climate change as well as women’s rights - the right to choose, was what finally did it for me.

Forcing women to carry - forced birth, outlawing abortion - excusing rape, all of it showed the right for what it was - a misogynistic hive of scum and villainy. Trump is the most prominent manifestation of this, but it’s been going on for years. We could see the seeds of that years ago, when you had GOPers claiming there was legitimate rape, or excuses for date rape. Rape is rape.

Combine that with the so called originalist bulkshit spewed showed that the right wasn’t interested in the Constitution so much as pushing their misogynstic and regressive agenda by any means necessary - at every level of the judiciary and in the state and local sphere as well.

We see this with the way the GOP are trying to pack the judiciary today.

Gun rights are another area where the right is ignoring the plain language of the Constitution to demand absolute access to firearms, regardless of the consequences. They also ignore the gun rights for minorities as we see time and again that the 2A doesn’t apply to a person of color (from Tamir Rice and John Crawford to Emantic Bradford Jr.). The GOP has fully given in to the white nationalist tendencies and policies that have been percolating for a while (again, Trump is the natural progression).

Tax policy is another area where the right makes no sense at all. Tax cuts for millionaires explodes the debt, and trickle down has repeatedly shown it doesn’t work. We saw this with exploding debt under Reagan and Bush I, and then again under GWB and now Trump. They just shift the burdens on to everyone else, especially those least able to endure the burdens.

That’s not anything I want to be associated with.

I can still promote a strong defense and foreign policy, and that means being rational and using power where necessary. It means understanding soft power and how persuasion and persistence can pay off. We see how Trump is frittering this away on a daily basis - compromised and complicit such as it is. GWB sort of got how soft power worked, but failed to convince others of the war in Iraq to disastrous consequences. Getting rid of Saddam was admirable in goal, but execution sucked something fierce.

You could make the argument that Saddam’s human rights violations were sufficient grounds, but the WMD turned out to be bogus. I’d made that argument in the past as well.

And we are still living with those consequences, as well as not doing more to help the Kurds, both after the First Gulf War and to this day (a major failing by GHWB by the way).

So, yeah, that’s where I was at.

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fern01  Dec 1, 2018 • 6:47:11am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

You’re right. The two I can think of that didn’t were Trump and maybe Nixon but even Nixon looks like Obama joking around compared with the humorless Trump.

I still remember Nixon on laugh-in

Rowan and Martin’s Laugh-In: Nixon says ‘Sock It To Me’

Edit: Wendell was way ahead of me

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:05:46am

There’s this…

Odds are even that he just cancels it, or decides to bull through it and alienates whatever allies we’ve got left. It would almost be the smarter choice to bail on the presser altogether, but his need to ‘punch back’ (at something) means he’ll probably end up ranting about nothing for 45 minutes and then leaving without answering any questions.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:06:31am

re: #204 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Widdle Donnie isn’t happy.

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The real world is slapping Donny in the face over and over and over. He hasn’t governed. He’s just made stuff up to satisfy his ego. Here, though, with the rest of the world governing, he truly is all alone.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:07:46am

re: #219 makeitstop

There’s this…

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Odds are even that he just cancels it, or decides to bull through it and alienates whatever allies we’ve got left. It would almost be the smarter choice to bail on the presser altogether, but his need to ‘punch back’ (at something) means he’ll probably end up ranting about nothing for 45 minutes and then leaving without answering any questions.

And he’ll probably get all the way through the presser without mentioning 41 at all. After all, it’s just another dead guy, and ‘nothing is in it for him.’ /

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Jay C  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:10:00am

re: #194 MsJ

That is basic humanity. There’s something mentally wrong with a person who has no sense of humor or who cannot laugh at themself….or at least pretend to do so.

Pretty much agree: as far as Presidents go, the ability to not take oneself too seriously is definitely a plus, as far as cementing one’s reputation goes. But it isn’t everything: Jimmy Carter, frex: a decent-enough President (I think his “historical” rep has been hideously skewed by the contemporary need for him to have been demonized by the Republican Opposition: will change over time) but lacking in that self-humor, which, I think, was a major negative for him as President (and will affect “historical” analyses of his Admin.).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:10:18am

re: #220 Belafon

The real world is slapping Donny in the face over and over and over. He hasn’t governed. He’s just made stuff up to satisfy his ego. Here, though, with the rest of the world governing, he truly is all alone.

The Rest of the World has quietly agreed to go its own way and await someone else to take over in the US. That is pretty much what Donnie said he wanted anyways, he is just upset that they are ignoring him and not bowing down to him.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:11:03am

re: #220 Belafon

The real world is slapping Donny in the face over and over and over. He hasn’t governed. He’s just made stuff up to satisfy his ego. Here, though, with the rest of the world governing, he truly is all alone.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:11:07am

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Rest of the World has quietly agreed to go its own way and await someone else to take over in the US. That is pretty much what Donnie said he wanted anyways, he is just upset that they are ignoring him and not bowing down to him.

Some of them are having fun at his expense.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:14:14am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:14:56am

littlegreenfootballs.com
Shameless page plug. There’s a great article today in the Washington Post magazine about the CSA and why its legacy is still defended today by Southern Whites.

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:16:13am
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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:16:30am

I took a gander at Trump’s response to the passing of GHWB, and it’s absolutely clear that he didn’t write it or have anything to do with how it was written.

It doesn’t even remotely sound like Trump’s voice, and that’s a good thing.

But I think it kinda funny in a way that GHWB passed while Trump was at the G-20. Trump is probably relieved that his ongoing foreign policy failures will get overshadowed by this at the same time he’s raging that he’s overshadowed by a guy whose shoes he could never ever fill.

GHWB had the last laugh..

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:18:38am

re: #229 lawhawk

EVERY Democratic mention of GHWB should mention that, for all of his flaws, he was better at governing than Trump.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:19:38am

re: #229 lawhawk

I took a gander at Trump’s response to the passing of GHWB, and it’s absolutely clear that he didn’t write it or have anything to do with how it was written.

It doesn’t even remotely sound like Trump’s voice, and that’s a good thing.

But I think it kinda funny in a way that GHWB passed while Trump was at the G-20. Trump is probably relieved that his ongoing foreign policy failures will get overshadowed by this at the same time he’s raging that he’s overshadowed by a guy whose shoes he could never ever fill.

GHWB had the last laugh..

I’m waiting for the announcement that GHWB requested Trump stay away from his funeral.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:21:27am

re: #231 makeitstop

I’m waiting for the announcement that GHWB requested Trump stay away from his funeral.

Trump will have the sense not to mention GWHB again and hope that it does not come up.

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Jay C  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:22:13am

re: #219 makeitstop

There’s this…

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Odds are even that he just cancels it, or decides to bull through it and alienates whatever allies we’ve got left. It would almost be the smarter choice to bail on the presser altogether, but his need to ‘punch back’ (at something) means he’ll probably end up ranting about nothing for 45 minutes and then leaving without answering any questions.

I dunno: if the G20 is winding down, and The Anus is heading home, I think his minders staff are probably going to try to have him go out on some sort of positive note: I know if I were a WH staffer constructing Trump’s schedule, I’d simply have the “presser” be a simple address (no/few/carefully-vetted questions), and hit a few simple, non-confrontational notes:

* Perfunctory thanks to Argentina for hosting
* A paragraph of boilerplate about “international cooperation” or whatever.
* Laud the US/Canda/Mexico trade deal
* Laud the late GHWB and use the opportunity to order flags at half-staff, etc.
* Some closing boilerplate, then “see you back home”, and off to the plane (and waiting bucket of KFC).

But of course, this is Donald Trump we’re talking about, so Dog knows what sort of embarrassing fiasco will ensue….

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:22:38am

re: #222 Jay C

Pretty much agree: as far as Presidents go, the ability to not take oneself too seriously is definitely a plus, as far as cementing one’s reputation goes. But it isn’t everything: Jimmy Carter, frex: a decent-enough President (I think his “historical” rep has been hideously skewed by the contemporary need for him to have been demonized by the Republican Opposition: will change over time) but lacking in that self-humor, which, I think, was a major negative for him as President (and will affect “historical” analyses of his Admin.).

Perhaps. Perhaps not.

The hostage crisis was lengthened for political purposes against him. How that’s remembered will be interesting to see.

Carter is a solidly good person. That, too, will be interesting to see in terms of remembrance.

I disliked GHWB but I’m not out there saying shitty things about him. Many are. It’s disappointing. To me he served the country for decades. He was flawed and I think partly responsible for where we are now, as were many others. But I can remember positive things about him.

I don’t know if there will ever be a collective America or one that could say nice things about someone on the other side.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:23:08am

re: #232 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump will have the sense not to mention GWHB again and hope that it does not come up.

Bone spurs will act up and he’ll send Pence to the funeral.

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darthstar  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:23:40am
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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:23:53am

re: #230 Belafon

Every response to his passing does - by mentioning a lifetime of public service unmatched in history before or since.

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:26:16am

re: #234 MsJ

Carter’s failures as president include a foundering economy and ultimately the Iran hostage situation.

But Carter’s post presidency actions are admirable and should be emulated by all. A lifetime of giving, including as it relates to Habitat for Humanity is something that presidents can look up to, including GHWB - who followed a similar path with charitable work to help disaster victims.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:31:10am

I do find myself wondering what Republicans will say about Carter he’ll likely be the next former Democratic President to pass away. Carter for years has been used as a Republican punching bag against Democrats. I remember Obama being dismissed as a Jimmy Carter in 2008 because he was seen as naive. Carter, I still don’t feel was a good President but I do think he did positive things that are overlooked in contrast with what his successors did namely in energy and in FP. I think Carter ultimately was in over his head in many ways but we did the right thing electing him. Ford was a good man too but this country needed Jimmy Carter after Nixon.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:31:13am

re: #233 Jay C

I dunno: if the G20 is winding down, and The Anus is heading home, I think his minders staff are probably going to try to have him go out on some sort of positive note: I know if I were a WH staffer constructing Trump’s schedule, I’d simply have the “presser” be a simple address (no/few/carefully-vetted questions), and hit a few simple, non-confrontational notes:

* Perfunctory thanks to Argentina for hosting
* A paragraph of boilerplate about “international cooperation” or whatever.
* Laud the US/Canda/Mexico trade deal
* Laud the late GHWB and use the opportunity to order flags at half-staff, etc.
* Some closing boilerplate, then “see you back home”, and off to the plane (and waiting bucket of KFC).

But of course, this is Donald Trump we’re talking about, so Dog knows what sort of embarrassing fiasco will ensue….

Two minutes of boilerplate, a brief mention of how great NAFTA II is and how Obama wasn’t as good at making deals, and winding up with 20 minutes complaining about Witch Hunt. No questions, g’bye. Storms off.

He’s been seething since before he left, so he may tee off on the media for not kissing his ass enough.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:36:38am

re: #237 lawhawk

Every response to his passing does - by mentioning a lifetime of public service unmatched in history before or since.

True, but Trump’s too dense to really get the personal humiliation he should feel. I want knives out.

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Jay C  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:36:39am

re: #240 makeitstop

Two minutes of boilerplate, a brief mention of how great NAFTA II is and how Obama wasn’t as good at making deals, and winding up with 20 minutes complaining about Witch Hunt. No questions, g’bye. Storms off.

He’s been seething since before he left, so he may tee off on the media for not kissing his ass enough.

Heh. My #233 was just a scenario, not a prediction: I have the feeling the actual presser probably WILL (unfortunately and disgracefully) more-likely conform to your outline…

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:37:38am

re: #239 HappyWarrior
Good morning.
That my friend will be ugly as hell. And a crazy wild contrast the what republican conservatives once were, in stark horrible contrast to recent years.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:39:48am

Update: The huskies got all of the chickens. :(

I liked watching those goofy birds. Feel so sorry for those kids.

Dogs gonna dog, though.

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:41:31am
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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:42:27am

re: #238 lawhawk

Carter’s failures as president include a foundering economy and ultimately the Iran hostage situation.

But Carter’s post presidency actions are admirable and should be emulated by all. A lifetime of giving, including as it relates to Habitat for Humanity is something that presidents can look up to, including GHWB - who followed a similar path with charitable work to help disaster victims.

I have come to think that Carter was in many ways too kindly a man for the job. And many others here and abroad knew exactly how to exploit that. He had the will, the intelligence and a deeply held morality/ethical outlook. An outlook he could forward without a burden of religion.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:42:39am

re: #243 Unshaken Defiance

Whereas Trump will bitch and moan that it wasn’t fair, that nobody recognized all the great things HE did, but only focused on the negative things everyone else did. Take all the credit, avoid any blame.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:46:05am

re: #243 Unshaken Defiance

Good morning.
That my friend will be ugly as hell. And a crazy wild contrast the what republican conservatives once were, in stark horrible contrast to recent years.

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I normally don’t like Fournier and the pronoun game but that is a good observation. TBH although I liked Molly Ivins, I always thought the born on third base and thinks he hit a triple was unfair to H.W. Bush. It should have been saved for Mitt Romney or Trump :).

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:46:59am

re: #246 Unshaken Defiance

I have come to think that Carter was in many ways too kindly a man for the job. And many others here and abroad knew exactly how to exploit that. He had the will, the intelligence and a deeply held morality/ethical outlook. An outlook he could forward without a burden of religion.

I think that’s the right take on Carter. I do hope history remembers him well.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:47:32am

Here’s why that race in NC has been un-called.

Fuckers.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:49:49am

re: #250 makeitstop

Here’s why that race in NC has been un-called.

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Fuckers.

This is why the Republican Party needs to get its ass kicked. The constant cries of VOTER FRAUD while engaging in shit like this. If this can be proven for sure, people need to go to jail.

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William Lewis  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:49:54am

re: #244 makeitstop

Update: The huskies got all of the chickens. :(

I liked watch those goofy birds. Feel so sorry for those kids.

Dogs gonna dog, though.

And rifles make better behaved dogs, permanently. At least that’s how the dog was handled the last time one got into my chicken yard

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:50:33am

re: #101 TedStriker

That was probably the best thing about GHWB having been CIA director and in Congress before having been VPOTUS and POTUS…he knew the players on the world stage and he knew the stakes.

That’s not to say he always got it right on foreign policy (see: Gulf War I, Panama, and the rest of Central and South America), but he got it right much more often than not.

On the domestic side he would sit down with Dems and make a deal

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:52:32am

re: #252 William Lewis

And rifles make better behaved dogs, permanently. At least that’s how the dog was handled the last time one got into my chicken yard

I think by the time my wife and I even realized the possibility of it happening, it had already happened. I went next door and knocked on their door, but no one was up at that point.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:55:33am

re: #250 makeitstop

Here’s why that race in NC has been un-called.

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Fuckers.

So the Republicans feared that their standard ploys of gerrymandering, voter disenfranchisement, and voter suppression were going to fail them this time? This is outrageous even for them — though is it technically illegal?

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:57:21am

re: #240 makeitstop

Two minutes of boilerplate, a brief mention of how great NAFTA II is and how Obama wasn’t as good at making deals, and winding up with 20 minutes complaining about Witch Hunt. No questions, g’bye. Storms off.

He’s been seething since before he left, so he may tee off on the media for not kissing his ass enough.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:58:59am
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sagehen  Dec 1, 2018 • 7:59:21am

re: #255 Hecuba’s daughter

So the Republicans feared that their standard ploys of gerrymandering, voter disenfranchisement, and voter suppression were going to fail them this time? This is outrageous even for them — though is it technically illegal?

More than “technically” — this is super-duper illegal.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:03:09am

re: #255 Hecuba’s daughter

So the Republicans feared that their standard ploys of gerrymandering, voter disenfranchisement, and voter suppression were going to fail them this time? This is outrageous even for them — though is it technically illegal?

They make up stories about people putting on wigs and voting repeatedly while they quietly destroy records, intentionally block or limit access to polling places, spread disinformation and impersonate government officials.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:03:24am

re: #258 sagehen

Wouldn’t this be a federal level crime? Literally stealing ballots and getting rid of them? And think about this: This is one series of incidents we know about, imagine what we don’t know.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:05:56am

I disagreed with nearly every single thing GHWB did as president, and I was angry at the appeal to racism he used to win.

But the one thing I’ll give him credit for all day long is how he handled preparing for Gulf War I. He did truly and painstakingly build a coalition by sending Jim Baker (his fixer and a man I loathe to this day for his role in the 2000 election) across the planet and lining up cooperation.

It was the last use of ‘shuttle diplomacy’ we’ll likely ever see.

I disagreed with the war itself, but Bush did it by the book.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:06:11am

re: #254 makeitstop

When I lived in Costa Rica, our dog (Rhodesian Ridgeback) brought a dead chicken home one day. Our neighbor up the road had chickens, so we had a good idea where she got it. We tied the dead chicken around her neck with the intention of making her wear it until it was putrid, but in less than an hour there was nothing left of the bird besides a few feathers. Duh.

The next day she brought another chicken home. This time my husband went to the neighbor and told him what happened and that this was the second one in 2 days. He asked him to please not poison the dog (this is pretty common there), that we were trying to train her and would pay to replace the chickens. Neighbor shrugged and said, “Don’t worry about it, those are for fighting, not eating.”

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:06:25am

re: #259 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They make up stories about people putting on wigs and voting repeatedly while they quietly destroy records, intentionally block or limit access to polling places, spread disinformation and impersonate government officials.

Whilst encouraging years of prison for a green card holder that was misled by a clerk and voted. My apologies, can’t recall who here pointed this out days ago. nbcnews.com

Texas woman with four children gets eight years in jail for voter fraud Rosa Maria Ortega, a green card holder, voted for the attorney general who prosecuted her, according to her attorney.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:07:37am

In other news, my wife and I moved into our house 16 years ago today.

Time does fly.

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TedStriker  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:12:33am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

I do think there’s one aspect of HW Bush’s legacy here that we solely miss right now. A President with the ability to laugh at himself. He enjoyed Dana Carvey’s SNL portrayal so much I believe they became friends and he liked playing pranks too. He was serious when he needed to be but not a cold, humorless President incapable of laughing at himself and his family.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:12:35am

Read some of that article on Braveheart that William posted yesterday. Interesting read. Love discussing not just history here but what history actually means.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:13:11am

re: #196 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Jeffrey’s Fly-in Diner must run late fall/early winter Blue Jay Specials.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:15:40am

re: #265 TedStriker

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I wonder if FOD ever did any skits with HW and the others visiting Trump like they did with Obama.
I loved this sketch. It was unfortunate that they couldn’t get Phil Hartman to play Reagan in it for obvious reasons but it was a funny sketch and a nice little reunion in itself since it sort of bridged the gap of SNL stars from original cast members like Chevy Chase and Dan Aykroyd to people like Dana Carvey to Will Ferrell and Darrell Hammond and then Fred Amirsen and Maya Rudolph as Barack and Michelle Obama.

Funny or Die’s Presidential Reunion

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jeffreyw  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:17:32am

re: #267 ObserverArt

Jeffrey’s Fly-in Diner must run late fall/early winter Blue Jay Specials.

Business is starting to pick up. They go for the peanuts - MrsJ buys them in big bags at the local Rural King.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:18:13am

41 would never be elected to any office in today’s GOP. He was the last of his kind.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:19:08am

GHWB wasn’t dogmatic. I appreciate that. He obviously would have preferred not to have done a tax raise but he knew it needed to be done for the good of the nation in the long run and it did cost him re-election and he accepted that. It wasn’t quite as bold as Mondale being honest that he would raise taxes and Reagan would too but he wouldn’t admit it but it was much better than the crap now of guys signing Norquist’s stupid pledges.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:19:41am

re: #270 Dr. Matt

41 would never be elected to any office in today’s GOP. He was the last of his kind.

He’d be what Huntsman was 8 years ago, a RINO.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:21:06am

Trump’s presser has been cancelled:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:23:20am

re: #273 Barefoot Grin

Trump’s presser has been cancelled:

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Is Putin cutting his balls again?

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:25:33am

re: #273 Barefoot Grin

Trump’s presser has been cancelled:

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Coward. Baby. Punk.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:27:51am

re: #273 Barefoot Grin

It’s all coming apart, bit by bit, reveal, revelation, indictment, guilty plea, indictments further along, repeat as we must.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:28:32am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Is Putin cutting his balls again?

He’s in a bad place (good!) right now, but it sucks having America so weak as he meets Xi tonight. Maybe he’ll cancel that, too.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:29:01am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

He’d be what Huntsman was 8 years ago, a RINO.

One of the right leaning independents i think. iirc he is the Bush that loudly quit NRA and put massive shade on Wayne LaPierre head or NRA.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:29:16am

re: #273 Barefoot Grin

Trump’s presser has been cancelled:

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Donnie is going to be pouting for the entire 10 hour flight back home because he lost air time.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:29:38am

Still I I I.

Better than usual but still…

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:30:27am
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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:31:08am

re: #240 makeitstop

Two minutes of boilerplate, a brief mention of how great NAFTA II is and how Obama wasn’t as good at making deals, and winding up with 20 minutes complaining about Witch Hunt. No questions, g’bye. Storms off.

He’s been seething since before he left, so he may tee off on the media for not kissing his ass enough.

He’ll bitch about: “I saw all those images of me at the G20. They were all fakes pictures. Absolutely fake, this I can tell you.

They have this computer program called Photoshopper. A lot of people don’t know that. They can take a picture from there and put you in the meeting pictures here.

In a few days I will hold a press conference and we will prove those pictures are all fakes. Fake pictures. Fake news. There are a lot fakes out there. But you know that.

And you all know I’m a happy guy. I may be the most happy guy ever. I got a lot to be happy about, okay. I never look like those pictures. All fakes. And all the leaders and I got along great. We had great meetings. They love me. Everybody does”

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:31:09am

re: #280 MsJ

Still I I I.

Better than usual but still…

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There is no way donnie composed that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:31:33am

re: #277 Barefoot Grin

He’s in a bad place (good!) right now, but it sucks having America so weak as he meets Xi tonight. Maybe he’ll cancel that, too.

You know, I could really deal with not liking him and thinking he was a bad President if he at least had good delegation and people skills. That’s the thing with why even though I do not think highly of Reagan at all as a man and President, I do think his soft political skills, an ability to be cordial with people helped a lot in the 80’s as the USSR began to die. Trump lacks that. Can’t imagine Reagan bragging about winning as big as he did in 1984 with Gorby, Helmut Kohl, Maggie Thatcher, etc.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:32:09am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

I think that’s the right take on Carter. I do hope history remembers him well.

Carter likely doesnt worry too much how history will remember him
Trump?…..

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:32:18am

re: #283 Dr. Matt

There is no way donnie composed that.

One must be composed before one can compose. Never gonna happen.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:32:26am

re: #277 Barefoot Grin

He’s in a bad place (good!) right now, but it sucks having America so weak as he meets Xi tonight. Maybe he’ll cancel that, too.

I won’t be surprised if he tries to completely check out of his presidential responsibilities at this point.

Not that he ever remotely lived up to the responsibilities of the job. But going forward, he’s every bit immature enough to just blow everything off (except maybe a rally here or there) and sulk because everyone is just being so unfair to him. A 72 year old spoiled brat.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:33:13am

re: #285 dangerman

Carter likely doesnt worry too much how history will remember him
Trump?…..

No doubt. Carter probably just wants to be remembered as a good father and husband. Trump won’t be satisified until Washington D.C is renamed Trumpburg.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:34:09am

re: #244 makeitstop

Update: The huskies got all of the chickens. :(

I liked watching those goofy birds. Feel so sorry for those kids.

Dogs gonna dog, though.

Anyone know the dog’s owner(s)? They need to know they upset some kids. That’s not right. Dogs will be dogs, owners don’t have to be assholes. Kids need some new chicks. Dogs owners need to own up and buy them.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:34:37am

Weird. Just realized GHW Bush was born on my birthday, and today I go to my Dads 90th birthday party. There will be drunken toasts.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:35:08am

re: #286 Unshaken Defiance

One must be composed before one can compose. Never gonna happen.

*insert clapping gif*

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:36:28am

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:36:38am

Donnie: Reality TV host.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:36:48am

re: #290 Unshaken Defiance

Weird. Just realized GHW Bush was born on my birthday, and today I go to my Dads 90th birthday party. There will be drunken toasts.

Happy BD to your Dad. We celebrated my grandmother’s 90th last year but with much less drunken toasts.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:37:25am

Not of lover of President Bush the senior, but the man had grace and class. And could take a joke about himself. You can link to CSPAN and see the entire interview. Everyone is laughing and having a good time (it’s Christmas at the White House). I guess I’m old and have a little bit of nostalgia for a past that seems long gone.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:38:15am

re: #293 Dr. Matt

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Donnie: Reality TV host.

I think it’s telling that a lot of the really good tributes come from men and women who disagreed with him more than they agreed. I’m sure there are Republicans with nice tributes too but defining those you disagreed with is a good test of character. I’m not expecting to see the same said by the same Republicans and conservative talking heads who belittled Carter and accused him of being antisemitic when he passes.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:39:00am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

Happy BD to your Dad. We celebrated my grandmother’s 90th last year but with much less drunken toasts.

My mom just turned 90 last month
We made a key lime pie
No toast. Dry or drunken

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:39:39am

re: #289 ObserverArt

Anyone know the dogs owner(s)? They need to know they upset some kids. That’s not right. Dogs will be dogs, owners don’t have to be assholes. Kids need some new chicks. Dogs owners need to own up and buy them.

I’d never seen a pair of huskies together in this neighborhood, neither in a yard nor on a leash. But Huskies are notorious escape artists, and once they start wandering they can cover a lot of ground. They could have been from miles away.

The neighborhood Facebook group was lit up with reports of them moving through the neighborhood. Our neighbor posted earlier that all the chickens had been killed, and my wife tells me people are pissed (I try to stay off FB to the extent that I can nowadays and I don’t even belong to the group in question, but my wife does and she keeps me up to speed).

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:39:45am

re: #295 I Would Prefer Not To

Not of lover of President Bush the senior, but the man had grace and class. And could take a joke about himself. You can link to CSPAN and see the entire interview. Everyone is laughing and having a good time (it’s Christmas at the White House). I guess I’m old and have a little bit of nostalgia for a past that seems long gone.

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I think Dana’s rendition of him is why I’m always shocked that he was actually pretty tall. Remember, you gotta be pretty tall to play first base and HW was aided in that being a lefty which was also my advantage as a young first baseman.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:42:12am

Carvey appearing with Bush reminds me of when Obama actually had Keegan Michael Key as Luther the Anger Translator appear with him. Bush’s contemporary and former rival Bob Dole I recall was a pretty good sport about Norm MacDonald’s SNL impression too.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:43:22am

Donnie is on TV right now with Angela Merkel and is whining about a “trade imbalance” with Germany.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:44:37am

re: #301 Dr. Matt

Donnie is on TV right now with Angela Merkel and is whining about a “trade imbalance” with Germany.

Merkel is probably envying that Helmut Kohl had to deal with the late President Bush and she has to deal with this guy as her American counterpart. She did get to deal with Obama though so she didn’t totally lose.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:45:06am

“We sent our best wishes [to the Bush family]”
~Donnie just now

Who the fuck sends “best wishes” during a death? Idiot.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:45:51am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:46:03am

re: #303 Dr. Matt

“We sent our best wishes [to the Bush family]”
~Donnie just now

Who the fuck sends “best wishes” during a death? Idiot.

as someone mentioned earlier, he cannot even begin to appear normal and human if he tries…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:46:34am

re: #303 Dr. Matt

“We sent our best wishes [to the Bush family]”
~Donnie just now

Who the fuck sends “best wishes” during a death? Idiot.

A guy who asks hurricane victims if they’re having fun?

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Dave In Austin  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:47:10am

re: #303 Dr. Matt

“We sent our best wishes [to the Bush family]”
~Donnie just now

Who the fuck sends “best wishes” during a death? Idiot.

Happy Fucking Holiday to You and Yurn,

God I hate those people…..

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:47:29am

Watching the Simpsons episode where the Bushes move in right now. One of my favorites

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:47:54am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

She was stoned faced even when Donnie was attempting to compliment her. Priceless.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:49:56am

re: #309 Dr. Matt

She was stoned faced even when Donnie was attempting to compliment her. Priceless.

she wrote him off ages ago

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:51:06am

re: #310 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

she wrote him off ages ago

Every thinking man and a woman did the moment he ran but like Adlai Stevenson we needed a majority.

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Teukka  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:55:01am

So, some eggheads rigged a dress to log every grope… Results… :’(

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:58:06am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Every thinking man and a woman did the moment he ran but like Adlai Stevenson we needed a majority.

Except we did get a majority. It is the pernicious Electoral College that did us in.

Let’s see what ultimately happens — whether America survives Trump and emerges as a stronger nation with a renewed dedication to our principles. After all with Hillary as President, we would still have the Republicans investigating and fighting her at every point.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:59:39am

re: #313 Hecuba’s daughter

Except we did get a majority. It is the pernicious Electoral College that did us in.

Let’s see what ultimately happens — whether America survives Trump and emerges as a stronger nation with a renewed dedication to our principles. After all with Hillary as President, we would still have the Republicans investigating and fighting her at every point.

I know. I was riffing on a Stevenson one liner and using a little bit of hyperbole. Trust me, I’m aware of who won the popular vote but sometimes I like being clever like that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2018 • 8:59:41am

re: #313 Hecuba’s daughter

Except we did get a majority. It is the pernicious Electoral College that did us in.

Let’s see what ultimately happens — whether America survives Trump and emerges as a stronger nation with a renewed dedication to our principles. After all with Hillary as President, we would still have the Republicans investigating and fighting her at every point.

and probably still a GOP majority in the House

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:00:32am

re: #315 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and probably still a GOP majority in the House

An expanded one probably. We are where are though.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:03:16am

The Stevenson one liner btw came from being told he’d get the vote of every thinking man and woman the woman he was talking to. He responded “Thank you madam but I need a majority.”

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mmmirele  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:05:21am

This thread is amazeballs and sad and unbelievable.

The poet, Rachel McKibbens, she has lived A LIFE. She wrote poetry, got it published.

Then she found out one of her poems was plagiarized, and THAT POEM got nominated for a Pushcart Prize.

And then the plagiarist tattooed the words she took from McKibbens on her own body.

The thread starts with the first tweet, definitely worth a read. And no, you do not steal from poets. They will cut you.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:05:33am

In all the praise for Bush, there tends to be several flaws that are overlooked:
1. His selection of the totally unqualified Dan Quayle as running mate, purely because he thought Quayle would appeal to younger voters.
2. His appointment of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.
3. His abandonment of the Kurds after inciting them to support us during the first Gulf War.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:05:40am

Is that all you ever think about, George? The boys probably just want a letter of recommendation haha. God I hope the family saw it because I think they probably enjoyed it even if they were originally critical about the Simpson’s.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:06:19am

re: #319 Hecuba’s daughter

In all the praise for Bush, there tends to be several flaws that are overlooked:
1. His selection of the totally unqualified Dan Quayle as running mate, purely because he thought Quayle would appeal to younger voters.
2. His appointment of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.
3. His abandonment of the Kurds after inciting them to support us during the first Gulf War.

I do agree with that.

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retired cynic  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:12:21am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

I normally don’t like Fournier and the pronoun game but that is a good observation. TBH although I liked Molly Ivins, I always thought the born on third base and thinks he hit a triple was unfair to H.W. Bush. It should have been saved for Mitt Romney or Trump :).

Wasn’t that about Shrub?

re: #319 Hecuba’s daughter

In all the praise for Bush, there tends to be several flaws that are overlooked:
1. His selection of the totally unqualified Dan Quayle as running mate, purely because he thought Quayle would appeal to younger voters.
2. His appointment of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.
3. His abandonment of the Kurds after inciting them to support us during the first Gulf War.

Amen!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:17:48am

re: #322 retired cynic

Wasn’t that about Shrub?

Amen!

I thought it was about HW but if it was about W, I apologize to Molly Ivins or Ann Richards.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:18:15am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:19:29am

re: #324 MsJ

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They know he’s guilty as shit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:21:42am

Trump has built his own perjury trap; there is no way he can testify under oath without contradicting either himself or other sworn testimony. Mueller only has to get him to step onto the witness stand.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:24:09am

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retired cynic  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:24:40am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

I thought it was about HW but if it was about W, I apologize to Molly Ivins or Ann Richards.

Hahaha! Yes, I do think it was Ann, running against Shrub for Governor. Memory is a bit spotty these days!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:24:46am

They should be upset st themselves they threw their lot in with a guy who can’t get his story straight ever. No sympathy at all for them.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:25:34am

re: #328 retired cynic

Hahaha! Yes, I do think it was Ann, running against Shrub for Governor. Memory is a bit spotty these days!

Yeah I think you’re right. It’s a terrific one liner by someone whose insight and wisdom we could use.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:25:57am

I think I’ve read every single comment about now deceased President George H W Bush. I’m going to say I agree with all.

He served well, he had good traits and bad. He had good decisions and bad.

As I became more and more a liberal Democrat I of course hesitated to support someone like Bush because I did not like Reagan one bit. Bush was an extension, but at least he did realize some of Ronnie’s BS wasn’t doing the economy much good. He got hung by his own party on that, so I credit him for taking a stance.

Let’s say he is complicated. Being president is complicated.

R.I.P.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:26:03am

re: #327 PhillyPretzel

Maybe his text messages might do it.

those are just some of the threads that form the tangled web of lies that he has caught himself up in

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:27:22am

re: #331 ObserverArt

I think I’ve read every single comment about now deceased President George H W Bush. I’m going to say I agree with all.

He served well, he had good traits and bad. He had good decisions and bad.

As I became more and more a liberal Democrat I of course hesitated to support someone like Bush because I did not like Reagan one bit. Bush was an extension, but at least he did realize some of Ronnie’s BS wasn’t doing the economy much good. He got hung by his own party on that, so I credit him for taking a stance.

Let’s say he is complicated. Being president is complicated.

R.I.P.

Saying anything negative about Bush Senior can only hurt the cause. When trump dies that’s another story. Fuck him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:28:39am

re: #333 I Would Prefer Not To

Saying anything negative about Bush Senior can only hurt the cause. When trump dies that’s another story. Fuck him.

I will stick to what others have said, I disagree with most of his politics, but at least he had some character and sense of integrity

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TedStriker  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:29:14am

re: #333 I Would Prefer Not To

Saying anything negative about Bush Senior can only hurt the cause. When trump dies that’s another story. Fuck him.

I’m not going to lionize GHWB, because he got a lot wrong.

However, he also got a lot right and could compromise and govern.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:29:20am

re: #331 ObserverArt

I think I’ve read every single comment about now deceased President George H W Bush. I’m going to say I agree with all.

He served well, he had good traits and bad. He had good decisions and bad.

As I became more and more a liberal Democrat I of course hesitated to support someone like Bush because I did not like Reagan one bit. Bush was an extension, but at least he did realize some of Ronnie’s BS wasn’t doing the economy much good. He got hung by his own party on that, so I credit him for taking a stance.

Let’s say he is complicated. Being president is complicated.

R.I.P.

He is the one who coined voodoo economics for supply side. I had forgotten that. And you know what, he was right. Just a shame he had to abandon that as President though not as bad as some.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:29:37am

re: #319 Hecuba’s daughter

In all the praise for Bush, there tends to be several flaws that are overlooked:
1. His selection of the totally unqualified Dan Quayle as running mate, purely because he thought Quayle would appeal to younger voters.
2. His appointment of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.
3. His abandonment of the Kurds after inciting them to support us during the first Gulf War.

4. The controversial Highway of Death. While I understand the reasoning (destroying every piece of Iraqi equipment they could, according to Schwarzkopf), there appeared to have been a lot of civilians who got caught up in it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:30:15am

re: #333 I Would Prefer Not To

Saying anything negative about Bush Senior can only hurt the cause. When trump dies that’s another story. Fuck him.

We can be critical without being negative. I think there are certainly significant negatives of his legacy but I do feel he was a good man.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:31:33am

re: #332 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am sorry for my vicious response.

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Jay C  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:32:33am

re: #331 ObserverArt

Let’s say he is complicated. Being president human is complicated.

R.I.P.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:32:35am

re: #333 I Would Prefer Not To

Saying anything negative about Bush Senior can only hurt the cause. When trump dies that’s another story. Fuck him.

Trump isnt fit to be a piece of lobster shit in Kennebunkport.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:35:01am

re: #328 retired cynic

Hahaha! Yes, I do think it was Ann, running against Shrub for Governor. Memory is a bit spotty these days!

Ann had some great lines about Bush41 - my favorite would have to be her line from the 1988 Democratic convention:

“Poor George, he can’t help it. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth.”

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:35:09am

re: #331 ObserverArt

Let’s say he is complicated. Being president is complicated.

R.I.P.

Being president is complicated when you care which every president until now has done.

Disagreeing on politics is one thing. Disagreeing on humanity quite another.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:37:37am

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:38:13am

re: #342 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Ann had some great lines about Bush41 - my favorite would have to be her line from the 1988 Democratic convention:

“Poor George, he can’t help it. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth.”

I hope they’re laughing together with Barbara. I don’t think they ever became close but death is our great equalizer.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:38:42am

re: #343 MsJ

Being president is complicated when you care which every president until now has done.

Disagreeing on politics is one thing. Disagreeing on humanity quite another.

Right. Biden talks a lot about that.

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Teukka  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:39:28am

Now listening to one of my 2nd hand CD finds today :)

Harry Potter and the chamber of secrets - Soundtrack - Bande Originale

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:40:52am

re: #340 Jay C

Yes, being human is complicated. Add in the pressure of being President and they are owed a measure of respect.

If they deserve it.

GHW Bush deserves respect.

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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:41:59am

re: #324 MsJ

Trump perjury trap.

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:50:00am

I’m seriously starting to think that he’s had some kind of debilitating episode. Between that thousand-yard stare during the photo op last night and this, I really think his mind is starting to fail.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:52:59am

re: #350 makeitstop

I’m seriously starting to think that he’s had some kind of debilitating episode. Between that thousand-yard stare during the photo op last night and this, I really think his mind is starting to fail.

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He had an episode last week. Mueller shock to the brain. He hasn’t recovered yet. He is most likely consumed thinking how the hell he is going to con his way out of the mess he is in.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:55:47am

re: #351 ObserverArt

He had an episode last week. Mueller shock to the brain. He hasn’t recovered yet. He is most likely consumed thinking how the hell he is going to con his way out of the mess he is in.

this is starting to look like some sort of brain affliction

moving into 25th Amendment territory here

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Jay C  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:56:00am

re: #350 makeitstop

I’m seriously starting to think that he’s had some kind of debilitating episode. Between that thousand-yard stare during the photo op last night and this, I really think his mind is starting to fail.

[Embedded content]

Jesus H. Christ on a three-wheeled bike!
OK: even if this DID look something from a Monty Python sketch, someone ought to have given President Macri the high-sign - or sent someone out to tell him he should leave the stage - or maybe Justin Trudeau should have walked out instead: being upstaged by Canada always sends Trump into a snit…..

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 9:58:26am

re: #351 ObserverArt

He had an episode last week. Mueller shock to the brain. He hasn’t recovered yet. He is most likely consumed thinking how the hell he is going to con his way out of the mess he is in.

If that’s all it really is, then I continue to be surprised at the total depth and breadth of his self-absorption.

It must really be lonely in that tiny world, but I can’t say he doesn’t deserve that misery.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:00:13am

re: #350 makeitstop

I’m seriously starting to think that he’s had some kind of debilitating episode. Between that thousand-yard stare during the photo op last night and this, I really think his mind is starting to fail.

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Micro-stroke?

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CongoJack  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:00:46am

Has anyone watched the Netflix (CBS?) show, The Good Place?

I have a feeling Trump is having is own episode in his own little mind.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:02:15am

re: #355 Dr Lizardo

Micro-stroke?

Well a lot was kept hidden about Reagan and Woodrow Wilson and FDR.

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Teukka  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:02:50am

re: #355 Dr Lizardo

Micro-stroke?

Could also be the sort of episode you get when the walls of reality are closing in on ya and your conscious simply can’t take it. It’s not unheard of that some criminals lose it when they face a particularly “orchestra”-intense piece of “music” *cough*

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:07:15am

re: #357 HappyWarrior

Well a lot was kept hidden about Reagan and Woodrow Wilson and FDR.

Wilson in particular - IIRC, he was essentially incapacitated and his wife was, for all intents and purposes, POTUS.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:07:22am

re: #354 makeitstop

If that’s all it really is, then I continue to be surprised at the total depth and breadth of his self-absorption.

It must really be lonely in that tiny world, but I can’t say he doesn’t deserve that misery.

I can’t speak for you, but total self-absorption is totally Trump and he is always in that mode in my opinion.

How many times have we talked about it is all about him? His recent thankful at Thanksgiving statement was all about him.

He no doubt is troubled and under more stress than ever before. The stakes are huge, and I think he knows for sure he bit off way more than he can handle and he is miserable because there really are no easy outs for The Don this time.

And it is going to get worse. At some point for sure he is really going to lose it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:08:22am

We need a laugh!

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:08:23am

re: #355 Dr Lizardo

Micro-stroke?

Has he spoken in public at all in Argentina? I’ll admit I’ve not been closely watching, but all I’ve seen is him staring off into space and behaving oddly like in the video above.

Add in the canceled meetings and it’s starting to look like they’re trying to shield him as much as they can. He was raging pretty hard in that gaggle by Marine One, he could have blown a circuit.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:10:03am

re: #355 Dr Lizardo

Micro-stroke?

Would be ironic considering the smear campaign Corsi and Stone led by claiming HRC had suffered a stroke.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:10:05am

re: #361 Joe Bacon 🌹

We need a laugh!

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That poor doggo. His mug shot really does say busted!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:10:39am

re: #359 Dr Lizardo

Wilson in particular - IIRC, he was essentially incapacitated and his wife was, for all intents and purposes, POTUS.

Yeah they really kept his VP and cabinet out of the loop. At least with Reagan’s problems, they were deferring to administration officials and not family members like Edith Wilson did in her husband’s case. Sort of makes me wonder if some of the worst elements of his administration I.e. the Palmer Raids were a result of that.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:10:54am

re: #362 makeitstop

Has he spoken in public at all in Argentina? I’ll admit I’ve not been closely watching, but all I’ve seen is him staring off into space and behaving oddly like in the video above.

Add in the canceled meetings and it’s starting to look like they’re trying to shield him as much as they can. He was raging pretty hard in that gaggle by Marine One, he could have blown a circuit.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

Yeah, I remember all those DC Gasbags who endlessly lied about Hillary’s health and didn’t utter a peep about the phony report that Trump forced his Dr to write!

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:13:08am

re: #364 ObserverArt

That poor doggo. His mug shot really does say busted!

His face says ‘I regret nothing’ to me. :)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:13:34am

re: #359 Dr Lizardo

Wilson in particular - IIRC, he was essentially incapacitated and his wife was, for all intents and purposes, POTUS.

Grandma Bacon worked in FDR’s office when he was the Assistant Secretary of the Navy. She told me about all the rumors that circulated about Edith Wilson manipulating the President.

If Wilson had died and Marshall became President that may have triggered enough sympathy for the Senate to pass the League of Nations treaty and might have prevented WW 2.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:13:41am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

Wow. How the hell were they able to afford all those actors?

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:15:01am

re: #367 makeitstop

His face says ‘I regret nothing’ to me. :)

Just a hardened criminal. Busted, but don’t give a shit. He’d do it again!

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:17:36am

re: #370 ObserverArt

Just a hardened criminal. Busted, but don’t give a shit. He’d do it again!

‘Cookie or else, UPS Man.’

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:19:39am

re: #368 Joe Bacon 🌹

Grandma Bacon worked in FDR’s office when he was the Assistant Secretary of the Navy. She told me about all the rumors that circulated about Edith Wilson manipulating the President.

If Wilson had died and Marshall became President that may have triggered enough sympathy for the Senate to pass the League of Nations treaty and might have prevented WW 2.

I think you are right. Wilson dies and President Marshall uses all his political capital to push for the League of Nations to be passed in his honor. I think he either loses or doesn’t seek nomination himself in 1920 and the Republicans still take back the WH but that’s an interesting what if to ponder. The other is if Teddy Roosevelt doesn’t die in 1919 suddenly. Part of why Harding got the nomination was there no clear GOP frontrunner. TR was dead, Taft wasn’t going to get nominated again, and the party was out of power by then eight years.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:23:40am

TR in 1920 though gets me at the Republican hypocrisy when FDR sought a third term in 1940. Despite what common historiography suggests, he wasn’t the first President to try to get a third term nor the the first Roosevelt even. Grant had considered it too in 1880. In fact, the interparty war between Grant’s stalwart Republicans (opponents of civil service reform) and Half-Breeds (proponents of civil service reform) was largely a result of the 1880 nomination which was left for the taking since President Hayes did not seek a second term.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:27:21am

re: #318 mmmirele

This thread is amazeballs and sad and unbelievable.

The poet, Rachel McKibbens, she has lived A LIFE. She wrote poetry, got it published.

Then she found out one of her poems was plagiarized, and THAT POEM got nominated for a Pushcart Prize.

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The thread starts with the first tweet, definitely worth a read. And no, you do not steal from poets. They will cut you.

The thread also reveals the plagiarist ripped off at least two other poets in that same poem.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:33:12am

I’m finding myself since we passed the centennial of WWI trying to get in the minds of people who lived back then first by reading literature of that era and then history. I see some parallels between the eras TBH.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:42:40am

re: #230 Belafon

EVERY Democratic mention of GHWB should mention that, for all of his flaws, he was better at governing than Trump.

I even say that about Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan over Trump.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:50:49am

re: #364 ObserverArt

That poor doggo. His mug shot really does say busted!

I saw a look more like “give me a cookie next time before you leave, k?”

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:54:34am

re: #356 CongoJack

Has anyone watched the Netflix (CBS?) show, The Good Place?

I have a feeling Trump is having is own episode in his own little mind.

I love The Good Place (NBC), but I don’t see what you’re driving at. (Bet DT wishes he could get a reboot for the last few years.)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:56:47am

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CongoJack  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:57:42am

re: #378 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I love The Good Place (NBC), but I don’t see what you’re driving at. (Bet DT wishes he could get a reboot for the last few years.)

Hidden in case people want to watch without it being spoiled

More in that DT is being tortured right now psychologically and it is continual and will never end until Mueller says so…

Trump = Jason Mendoza
Mueller = Michael

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 1, 2018 • 10:58:39am
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:01:31am

re: #380 CongoJack

Hidden in case people want to watch without it being spoiled

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:02:49am

I know he didn’t voice himself, but I always loved the Simspons episode where HW Bush becomes Homers neighbor.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:04:41am

I feel like this should be a bigger story.

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Jay C  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:05:53am

re: #380 CongoJack

Hidden in case people want to watch without it being spoiled

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:10:59am

re: #383 Eclectic Cyborg

I know he didn’t voice himself, but I always loved the Simspons episode where HW Bush becomes Homers neighbor.

I watched it earlier. So many great lines, a lot of them honestly by Barbara (not really her obviously too).

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:24:21am
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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:25:35am

re: #384 Ace-o-aces

I feel like this should be a bigger story.

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In those tweets it says they’ve identified one person, a woman, who was selected out of a photo lineup.

They’re now questioning the validity of the Republican PRIMARY, too.

Someone is going to prison over this.

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Done Ben Wrote  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:26:59am

re: #333 I Would Prefer Not To

Saying anything negative about Bush Senior can only hurt the cause. When trump dies that’s another story. Fuck him.

I did not like HW’s politics. Some of the things he was responsible for are still getting people killed. But I can say, truthfully, that he served this country his entire life, to the best of his ability and understanding.

Everyone can see that Bush did good things, honorable things, and patriotic things at various times in his life. When Trump dies, his political allies (I don’t think he has real friends) are going to be searching for something good that he has done to share in remembrance.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:28:59am

re: #389 Done Ben Wrote

I did not like HW’s politics. Some of the things he was responsible for are still getting people killed. But I can say, truthfully, that he served this country his entire life, to the best of his ability and understanding.

Everyone can see that Bush did good things, honorable things, and patriotic things at various times in his life. When Trump dies, his political allies (I don’t think he has real friends) are going to be searching for something good that he has done to share in remembrance.

When trump dies there will literally be a parade down 5th avenue in celebration of his death and his shitty life.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:30:08am
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Belafon  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:31:30am

re: #390 MsJ

When trump dies there will literally be a parade down 5th avenue in celebration of his death and his shitty life.

I think we should have a military parade in DC.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:33:00am

re: #392 Belafon

I think we should have a military parade in DC.

Why do you hate our military??

//😉😁😂🤣

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:33:54am

re: #392 Belafon

I think we should have a military parade in DC.

Sponsored by Mcdonalds and KFC?

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:35:19am

Roger Stone wannabe.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:37:11am

re: #389 Done Ben Wrote

I did not like HW’s politics. Some of the things he was responsible for are still getting people killed. But I can say, truthfully, that he served this country his entire life, to the best of his ability and understanding.

Everyone can see that Bush did good things, honorable things, and patriotic things at various times in his life. When Trump dies, his political allies (I don’t think he has real friends) are going to be searching for something good that he has done to share in remembrance.

i would summarize GWB’s legacy by the two recurring themes repeated through this thread, also seen posted elsewhere, and from my own memory:

- country first, before party and his own career. he dedicated his life of service to it with an objective sense of right and wrong
- he made some questionable decisions, some objectively bad, and some i just would never agree with

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:39:02am

So, looks like meteorologists here are forecasting an ice storm hitting the region where I live tomorrow evening and into Monday morning.

That tells me that most likely, my classes will end up cancelled Monday.

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:39:09am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:41:24am

re: #398 jaunte

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Ahh integrity.Something that this administration probably can’t even literally spell.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:41:50am

Unlike Rebecca, I could say a lot more…but I won’t. For a day or two….

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:41:54am

re: #399 HappyWarrior

IT’S SO COMPLICATED!

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:43:30am

I’m thinking George Conway is going to be happy if Kellyanne winds up in prison.

That’s gonna be a hell of a celebration right there.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:45:58am

re: #398 jaunte

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Since tRump can’t find anybody willing to take the job of U.N. Ambassador, think he’ll send Bolton back? Part-time, maybe?

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:51:58am
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 1, 2018 • 11:59:43am

re: #404 jaunte

Fat fucking slob, BUTTON YOUR JACKET!!!!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:03:05pm

re: #405 Ace Rothstein

Fat fucking slob, BUTTON YOUR JACKET!!!!

Then the vent pulls apart in the back and his butt sticks out. There is no solution to this problem—trust me.

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calochortus  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:05:52pm

re: #406 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Then the vent pulls apart in the back and his butt sticks out. There is no solution to this problem—trust me.

You’re saying that with his allegedly huge fortune he can’t find a tailor to deal with his fat ass body type?

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ThomasLite  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:06:06pm

re: #406 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Then the vent pulls apart in the back and his butt sticks out. There is no solution to this problem—trust me.

A halfway competent tailor might help. I mean, you’re never going to look like an athlete with a ruin of a body like that but it’s amazing what those guys can pull off.
I mean, billionaire Fing president. For F’s sake…

edit well hey great minds. we literally hit all the same points.

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:15:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:19:28pm

re: #409 bd(soros funded)

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And Washington who was alive when Benjamin Franklin was alive who was alive when Richard Cromwell was alive who was alive when Charles I was alive who was alive when Queen Elizabeth was alive and whom dated Kevin Bacon! All joking aside, that does put things in perspective.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:25:26pm
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dangerman  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:25:40pm

re: #404 jaunte

JUST IN: Trump only world leader at G-20 to not commit to fighting climate change

something about hte only red tie in the room?

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makeitstop  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:29:46pm

Coward.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:29:59pm

re: #350 makeitstop

I’m seriously starting to think that he’s had some kind of debilitating episode. Between that thousand-yard stare during the photo op last night and this, I really think his mind is starting to fail.

[Embedded content]

You can even hear the laughter off-camera.

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calochortus  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:30:30pm

re: #408 ThomasLite

A halfway competent tailor might help. I mean, you’re never going to look like an athlete with a ruin of a body like that but it’s amazing what those guys can pull off.
I mean, billionaire Fing president. For F’s sake…

edit well hey great minds. we literally hit all the same points.

Yep. I noticed that myself. Must mean we’re right. ;)

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sagehen  Dec 1, 2018 • 12:51:57pm

re: #409 bd(soros funded)

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Americans think 100 years is a long time ago.
Europeans think 100 miles is far away.


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