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My philosophy of life is that the meek shall inherit nothing but debasement, frustration and ignoble deaths; that there is security in personal strength; that you can fight City Hall and win; that any action is better than no action, even if it’s the wrong action; that you never reach glory or self-fulfillment unless you’re willing to risk everything, dare anything, put yourself dead on the line every time; and that once one becomes strong or rich or potent or powerful it is the responsibility of the strong to help the weak become strong.

— Harlan Ellison

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1 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:20:37pm

New thread on the show room floor...:)

2 Bob Dillon  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:21:40pm

Right on!

3 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:25:40pm

BUSTED!


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4 rawmuse  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:25:54pm

A good quote. A keeper.

5 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:26:51pm

Help one another........but if you can't do that, at least don't hurt each other.

Anonymous.

6 Bob Dillon  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:27:19pm

re: #4 rawmuse

A good quote. A keeper.

I appreciated what he wrote but never looked him up till now.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

7 Maximu§  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:27:36pm

Best thread of the day was that Army commander ragging on those lazy Iraqi policeman.

8 gmsc  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:29:29pm

From Instapundit:

AIRBRUSHING IN THE EAST VALLEY TRIBUNE? So I linked to a story on high school students skeptical about Obama’s stimulus speech. Now the story has the same headline, but the quotes are missing, replaced by a bunch of feelgood talk about how excited everyone was to have Obama in town. But you can find the original story here. And here’s the Google Cache. Some difference, huh? I emailed the reporter, Hayley Ringle, to ask what happened. (Bumped).

9 Bob Dillon  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:29:31pm

re: #7 Maximu§

Yeah - glad it was recorded. Made the rounds in many .mil circles.

10 winston06  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:29:47pm

Hello... good night

11 gmsc  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:30:14pm

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
-- Margaret Thatcher

12 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:30:54pm

re: #3 Dustyvet

BUSTED!

[Link: 2.bp.blogspot.com...]

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13 Bob Dillon  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:31:19pm

re: #8 gmsc

From Instapundit:

If that does not give us a wake up call for vigilance, I don't know what will.

14 gmsc  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:31:23pm

re: #10 winston06

Hello... good night

Youtube Video
15 rawmuse  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:31:25pm

re: #7 Maximu§

Best thread of the day was that Army commander ragging on those lazy Iraqi policeman.

Ripped them all a new sphincter right in the middle of their chests, he did.

16 Maximu§  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:32:13pm

re: #9 Bobibutu

Yeah - glad it was recorded. Made the rounds in many .mil circles.

I doubt it will make the CBS news tomorrow, but I'm sure this commander put up with alot of BS before he finally had it.

17 rawmuse  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:32:43pm

Goodnight, Lizards! Tomorrow is another day, with more wheels falling off the Obama bus.

18 winston06  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:33:01pm

I posted a new entry on my own blog about the plight of Sufis in Iran

[Link: thespiritofman.blogspot.com...]

19 winston06  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:33:31pm

re: #17 rawmuse

He was in Canada today. I made it known that Dear Leader is not welcome here.

20 calcajun  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:34:59pm

I can top that.

Now, I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country. Men, all this stuff you’ve heard about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big league ball player, the toughest boxer. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That’s why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. Because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans.

Now, an Army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of crap. The bilious bastards who wrote that stuff about individuality for the Saturday Evening Post don’t know anything more about real battle than they do about fornicating.

We have the finest food and equipment, the best spirit and the best men in the world. You know, by God I actually pity those poor bastards we’re going up against. By God, I do. We’re not just going to shoot the bastards, we’re going to cut out their living guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We’re going to murder those lousy Hun bastards by the bushel.

Now, some of you boys, I know, are wondering whether or not you'll chicken out under fire. Don't worry about it. I can assure you that you will all do your duty. The Nazis are the enemy. Wade into them. Spill their blood. Shoot them in the belly. When you put your hand into a bunch of goo that a moment before was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do.

Now there’s another thing I want you to remember. I don’t want to get any messages saying that we are holding our position. We’re not holding anything. Let the Hun do that. We are advancing constantly and we’re not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose.

There’s one thing that you men will be able to say when you get back home. And you may thank God for it. Thirty years from now when you’re sitting around your fireside with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what did you do in the great World War II, you won’t have to say, "Well, I shoveled shit in Louisiana."

Alright now, you sons-of-bitches, you know how I feel. Oh, and I will be proud to lead you wonderful guys into battle – anytime, anywhere.

That’s all.

21 Maximu§  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:35:09pm

re: #19 winston06

He was in Canada today. I made it known that Dear Leader is not welcome here.

Was the Great One asking Canada for a loan?

22 gmsc  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:35:15pm

re: #17 rawmuse

Goodnight, Lizards! Tomorrow is another day, with more wheels falling off the Obama bus.

There are so many people under that bus, it probably doesn't need wheels to carry it anymore.

23 winston06  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:36:19pm

re: #21 Maximu§

ahaha... I hope not. But every where I went today I made it known how disgusting it is to treat a politician like that. Ayatollah Khomeini was treated like Obama, wherever he went. Creepy!

24 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:36:28pm

Congress certainly takes to heart the "that any action is better than no action, even if it’s the wrong action" line.

25 Maximu§  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:37:09pm

night all...~yawning~

26 Bob Dillon  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:39:44pm

re: #16 Maximu§

I doubt it will make the CBS news tomorrow, but I'm sure this commander put up with alot of BS before he finally had it.

Some here think it hurt some feelings. Some here have never been in the military.

Ha! As said by DIs in all branches to new recruits - "You better give your soul to God because your ass is mine".

27 Dustyvet  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:40:01pm

re: #22 gmsc

There are so many people under that bus, it probably doesn't need wheels to carry it anymore.

Then he gets a bigger bus.

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28 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:40:11pm

re: #6 Bobibutu

I appreciated what he wrote but never looked him up till now.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Harlan is not very complimentary of Gene Roddenberry and the treatment he received personally and to his teleplay for "City on the Edge of Forever".

29 grassrootsrally  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:40:28pm

Great quote!

30 gmsc  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:42:43pm

Oklahoma Man Talks About Secret Service Visit For Displaying Anti-Obama Sign (Video)

Chip Harrison, a devout Christian and father of a special needs child, was pulled over this week for displaying an anti-Obama poster on his truck window.
The Oklahoma police took his sign and called the Secret Service who searched his home.
Later today he told his story to the media:

Youtube Video

The police officers who stopped Oklahoma motorist Chip Harrison and confiscated a sign from his car told him he has a right to his beliefs. But they took his sign and called the Secret Service who searched his home after the traffic stop according to the incident report released this morning.

The sign, which read "Abort Obama Not the Unborn," was returned to Harrison later that day.
He put it back up in his truck window.

31 Rustler  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:42:44pm

So Octomom is currently looking at million dollar homes she must have cut a deal for her story. Unforetuneately she doesn't appear to be willing to help the parents who provided a roof over her head these last 6 years.

32 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:43:22pm

re: #24 FurryOldGuyJeans

Congress certainly takes to heart the "that any action is better than no action, even if it’s the wrong action" line.

I left you with two questions on the last thread, and you just leave me. Not a good way to treat your friends.

33 Killian Bundy  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:43:44pm

Don't blow off belief in the afterlife. You're going to die.

/Killian Bundy

34 Bob Dillon  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:43:54pm

re: #28 FurryOldGuyJeans

Harlan is not very complimentary of Gene Roddenberry and the treatment he received personally and to his teleplay for "City on the Edge of Forever".

We all (males) seem to get into pissing contests now and again. ;-)

35 winston06  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:44:17pm

Even Iraqi dogs can have a better future because of the US presence there. :-)

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36 Rustler  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:44:19pm

re: #30 gmsc
This must have been behind the blurb I heard about secret service being called for insults to Obama instead of just the Standard threats of assault.

37 Gus  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:45:09pm

Ellison's comment reminds me of the benevolent European kings of yore. It as if though he will give us fish and water to help we mere minions to survive. It's nice to know that regardless of sectarian association in the end you still get the same old line of bullshit from humans.

38 calcajun  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:45:10pm

re: #28 FurryOldGuyJeans

Harlan is not very complimentary of Gene Roddenberry and the treatment he received personally and to his teleplay for "City on the Edge of Forever".

Harlan does not give "warm fuzzies" to anyone. He ripped JJ Abrams a new one when he hear rumors that the "Guardian" was to be a plot element in the new Trek film, stating that the whole show "City on the Edge of Forever" and all the characters therein, was his intellectual property and if Abrams wanted to use it, he had to pay. It was a pretty curt letter.

39 Bob Dillon  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:45:34pm

re: #30 gmsc

They apologized. We'll see how this plays out in the future.

40 gmsc  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:45:43pm

re: #31 Rustler

So Octomom is currently looking at million dollar homes she must have cut a deal for her story. Unforetuneately she doesn't appear to be willing to help the parents who provided a roof over her head these last 6 years.

Let's see, a woman with many kids is looking for a million dollar home? I have the perfect solution!

The house next door to the famous Brady Bunch house is up for sale - $1.3 million!

41 gmsc  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:46:51pm

re: #40 gmsc

Let's see, a woman with many kids is looking for a million dollar home? I have the perfect solution!

The house next door to the famous Brady Bunch house is up for sale - $1.3 million!

(While the date on the blog entry is March 12, 2008 - it's still up for sale, as nobody wants to buy a house that comes with gawkers at the house next door.)

42 Spar Kling  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:46:53pm

Is there any evidence of intelligent design here?

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

-sk

43 calcajun  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:47:50pm

re: #31 Rustler

So Octomom is currently looking at million dollar homes she must have cut a deal for her story. Unforetuneately she doesn't appear to be willing to help the parents who provided a roof over her head these last 6 years.

I hear her story and cannot help but think of this....

Youtube Video
44 winston06  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:48:12pm

Late nite weird cat

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45 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:48:30pm

I wish that I could find a better recording....

Youtube Video

The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing.

46 Gus  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:50:03pm

Octomom created her own economy. In fact, Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, and a lot of other mentally deficient Fox News analysts generated revenue from her pregnancy. Overall, people not associated with her made a profit from this stupidity.

47 calcajun  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:50:19pm

And then, in keeping with the lead message:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

48 calcajun  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:51:01pm

re: #47 calcajun

And then, in keeping with the lead message:

Youtube Video

Oops. My bad.

49 Killian Bundy  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:51:18pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing.

/how's your cat wheel ticket to prosperity getting along?

50 Gus  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:52:35pm

The meek are also a business loss and a tax deduction.

51 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:52:41pm

re: #32 Walter L. Newton

I left you with two questions on the last thread, and you just leave me. Not a good way to treat your friends.

I saw no questions, I saw a lot of accusations of being a personal tormentor of you. And that is not a solitary incident either.

52 calcajun  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:53:06pm

But blessed are the cheese makers.

53 Erik The Red  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:53:22pm

re: #42 Spar Kling

Is there any evidence of intelligent design here?

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

-sk

But, but I thought the earth was only 6000 years old.

54 freetoken  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:54:25pm

re: #42 Spar Kling

Dude.... if you are going to link to The Sun, at least link to the good pages.

55 Sharmuta  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:54:40pm
My philosophy of life is that the meek shall inherit nothing but debasement, frustration and ignoble deaths; that there is security in personal strength; that you can fight City Hall and win; that any action is better than no action, even if it’s the wrong action; that you never reach glory or self-fulfillment unless you’re willing to risk everything, dare anything, put yourself dead on the line every time; and that once one becomes strong or rich or potent or powerful it is the responsibility of the strong to help the weak become strong.

— Harlan Ellison

That's quite stirring.

57 Erik The Red  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:55:45pm

re: #54 freetoken

Dude.... if you are going to link to The Sun, at least link to the good pages.

Didn't take long tonight boys only 54 comments and we have BOOBIES. This is going to be a great thread.

58 traderjoe9  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:56:39pm

How can you tell when a lawyer is lying?
His lips are moving.

A new client had just come in to see a famous lawyer.
"Can you tell me how much you charge?", said the client.
"Of course", the lawyer replied, "I charge $200 to answer three questions!"
"Well that's a bit steep, isn't it?"
"Yes it is", said the lawyer, "And what's your third question?"

A Lawyer will do anything to win a case, sometimes he will even tell the truth. - Patrick Murray

59 calcajun  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:56:46pm

re: #51 FurryOldGuyJeans

being a personal tormentor.

Is that like a personal trainer, except with cattle prods and leather aprons?////


Jimmy James: Beth, I gotta tell you to be careful playing stocks. The market can be a hash mistress.

Beth: So can I, but I don't want to earn money like that anymore.

---News Radio -1997

60 Gus  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:56:51pm

re: #54 freetoken

Dude.... if you are going to link to The Sun, at least link to the good pages.

See, that's what you get when you live in the UK. A UB40, Page 6, a long line to get your teeth fixed, and Allah Akbar screaming in your ear.

//Vote Labour. Vote Obama. It is written.

61 Bob Dillon  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:56:51pm

re: #54 freetoken

Dude.... if you are going to link to The Sun, at least link to the good pages.

Page 3 rules!

62 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:57:23pm

re: #53 Erik The Red

But, but I thought the earth was only 6000 years old.

There is a whole lot of "science" missing in that article. Then again, it's the Sun, which is about as reliable as, well, the Enquirer.

63 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:57:37pm

re: #49 Killian Bundy

The cat wheel is going much better than my "ticket to prosperity" (business) these days. I'm shipping out a nice Pierre Hel cello later this week. I'm experimenting with a new packaging/shipping method. It's a shaped and formed foam molding instead of ship[ping it inside a case, should be safer, light and cheaper to ship. I have no idea how long it's going to take to sell. Wish me luck.
/Cat wheel should be finished in a week or two.

64 calcajun  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:58:07pm

re: #57 Erik The Red

Didn't take long tonight boys only 54 comments and we have BOOBIES. This is going to be a great thread.

You were on boobies last night. Give them a rest tonight.

65 Gus  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:58:35pm

re: #56 gmsc

So, how is 0bama doing so far?

Dow ends at lowest close in more than 6 years

Wholesale inflation takes biggest jump in 6 months

Jobless Claims Hit All-Time High

Americans go by what they watch on TV. This wasn't on TV.

66 [deleted]  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:59:01pm
67 calcajun  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:59:29pm

re: #65 Gus 802

Americans go by what they watch on TV. This wasn't on TV.

Hey, kids! Who wants some Kool-Aid!

68 Killian Bundy  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:59:47pm

re: #58 traderjoe9

How can you tell when a lawyer is lying?
His lips are moving.

A new client had just come in to see a famous lawyer.
"Can you tell me how much you charge?", said the client.
"Of course", the lawyer replied, "I charge $200 to answer three questions!"
"Well that's a bit steep, isn't it?"
"Yes it is", said the lawyer, "And what's your third question?"

A Lawyer will do anything to win a case, sometimes he will even tell the truth. - Patrick Murray

/trained to win, bogged down by ongoing ethics requirements

69 Gus  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:59:59pm

re: #67 calcajun

Hey, kids! Who wants some Kool-Aid!

I do! I do!

70 gmsc  Thu, Feb 19, 2009 11:59:59pm

Today in History, February 20th:

Youtube Video
71 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:01:00am

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

There is a whole lot of "science" missing in that article. Then again, it's the Sun, which is about as reliable as, well, the Enquirer.

Just did a search and the Telegraph is also reporting. Don't know the UK papers.

72 freetoken  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:01:57am

re: #57 Erik The Red

Didn't take long tonight boys only 54 comments and we have BOOBIES. This is going to be a great thread.

Does this mean I don't get any fruitcup tonight? Will Lol forgive me?

73 traderjoe9  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:02:29am
Youtube Video
74 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:02:56am

re: #66 Iron Fist

Dave: Mr. James, I never figured you to be the type to go to a motivational seminar.

Jimmy James: No, Dave. I don't GO to those seminars. I give 'em. I re-work the speech from "Patton" and charge the suckers $500 bucks a pop to get in the door.

---News Radio 1996

75 gmsc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:02:56am

re: #67 calcajun

Hey, kids! Who wants some Kool-Aid!

...and he's still around!

Youtube Video
76 slokat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:03:30am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing.

...actually I think that the translations are in error, the passages read - "after we have left them behind to dwell with the angels amongst the stars, the atheists can have what is left of the earth".

/

77 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:04:24am

Well, stock futures are DOWN. Nikkei is DOWN (-141.27).

78 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:04:47am

Here's another quote by Harlan Ellison:

"When belief in a god dies, the god dies. When the last acolyte renounces his faith and turns to another deity, the god ceases to be."

79 gmsc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:04:58am

re: #76 slokat

...actually I think that the translations are in error, the passages read - "after we have left them behind to dwell with the angels amongst the stars, the atheists can have what is left of the earth".

/

In an ancient monastery in a faraway place, a new monk arrived to join his brothers in copying books and scrolls in the monastery's scriptorium.

He was assigned to be a replicator of books that had already been copied by the other monks.

One day, he asked Father Florian (the rather ancient head of the scriptorium), "Does not the copying by hand of other copies allow for error? How do we know we are not copying the mistakes of someone else? Are they ever checked against the original?"

Fr. Florian was taken aback by the observation of this youthful monk. "A very good point, my son. I will take one of the latest books down to the vault and compare it against the original. Fr. Florian went down to the vault and began his verification.

After a day had passed, the monks began to worry and went down looking for the old priest. They were sure something must have happened. As they approached the vault, they heard crying.

When they opened the door, they found Fr. Florian sobbing over the new copy and the original ancient book, both of which were opened before him on the table. It was obvious to all that the poor man had been crying his heart out for a long time.

"What is the problem, Reverend Father?" asked one of the monks.

"Oh, my God, my God," sobbed the priest. "In the ancient book of the sacred rites of priesthood... the word is "CELEBRATE" !

80 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:05:01am

re: #77 Gus 802

US is leaderless

81 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:05:00am

re: #77 Gus 802

Well, stock futures are DOWN. Nikkei is DOWN (-141.27).

Is it too early for me to drink my breakfast?

82 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:06:01am

re: #81 calcajun

Is it too early for me to drink my breakfast?

Drink up. I'm almost out.

83 gmsc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:06:25am

re: #81 calcajun

Is it too early for me to drink my breakfast?

I think 31 days is long enough to wait before drinking your breakfast.
;)

84 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:07:04am

re: #71 Erik The Red

Just did a search and the Telegraph is also reporting. Don't know the UK papers.

First off, there is nothing explaining how they got the "picture" of the grid. Side search sonar, submersible, what? It's claimed to be 3 1/2 miles deep. It's not a sat picture.

Second, I have already found the story on a UFO site, claiming it's a alien base.

There is a lot missing in the article.

85 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:07:36am

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Feast or famine.

/good luck

86 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:08:01am

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

First off, there is nothing explaining how they got the "picture" of the grid. Side search sonar, submersible, what? It's claimed to be 3 1/2 miles deep. It's not a sat picture.

Second, I have already found the story on a UFO site, claiming it's a alien base.

There is a lot missing in the article.

That's the new spot for the Gitmo detainees! Rove and Chaney--BFF

87 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:08:09am

re: #83 gmsc

I think 31 days is long enough to wait before drinking your breakfast.
;)

3 years 11 months to go. You know how they say "so far so good?" Well, apparently that hasn't sunk in to our populace. Mr. Hope and Change it perhaps the biggest failure of a new president on record. However, we did predict that.

88 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:08:47am

Okay, it is now official... Kyrgyzstan president signs the bill to shut down the US air base in Menas.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I thought Dear Leader was going to change the world.

89 gmsc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:09:12am

re: #87 Gus 802

3 years 11 months to go. You know how they say "so far so good?" Well, apparently that hasn't sunk in to our populace. Mr. Hope and Change it perhaps the biggest failure of a new president on record. However, we did predict that.

In terms of time to go, here it is a little more precisely!

90 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:10:15am

re: #82 Gus 802

Drink up. I'm almost out.

Ran out last night. Will replenish the Single-malt supply tomorrow. Can't do it right now--the local grocery's Scotch selection is wanting and all they have over at Wal-mart could double as floor cleaner.

91 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:11:04am

re: #89 gmsc

In terms of time to go, here it is a little more precisely!

Thanks. It's good to know how long down to the seconds. It can't happen soon enough. Now all we need is someone that has some brains for 2012.

92 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:11:14am

re: #90 calcajun

Ran out last night. Will replenish the Single-malt supply tomorrow. Can't do it right now--the local grocery's Scotch selection is wanting and all they have over at Wal-mart could double as floor cleaner.

You are evidently not a professional drinker.

93 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:11:26am

re: #85 Killian Bundy

I live by the feast or famine thing. The starving artist gimmick stared getting old by my late 20's. It's better than nothing I suppose and it sure beats the hell out of working for a living. Thanks for the well wishes. I'm sure the fat man in the middle will make me some money sooner or later.

94 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:11:33am

re: #88 winston06

Okay, it is now official... Kyrgyzstan president signs the bill to shut down the US air base in Menas.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I thought Dear Leader was going to change the world.

[Link: formerspook.blogspot.com...]

Scroll down ...

Done Deal?

...

Despite the Kyrgyz decision, Mr. Gates doesn't seem overly concerned. According to the Associated Press, the defense secretary still believes that Washington can reach a new lease agreement with Bishkek:

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, in Poland for NATO talks, said the United States would consider paying more rent to continue using the strategic base. Speaking after the parliament vote in Kyrgyzstan, Gates said he considers talks still open over the future of the base.

Gates also accused Moscow of pushing Kyrgyzstan to close the base. The Russians have denied that, but Bakiyev announced plans to end the lease arrangement after Moscow promised more than $2 billion in aid--substantially more than the U.S. pays in rent.

Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said the U.S. has "yet to receive any formal notification of a change in status of Manas so our operations there continue as normal.”

...

95 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:13:26am

re: #93 Killgore Trout

I live by the feast or famine thing. The starving artist gimmick stared getting old by my late 20's. It's better than nothing I suppose and it sure beats the hell out of working for a living. Thanks for the well wishes. I'm sure the fat man in the middle will make me some money sooner or later.

Excuse my ignorance, who is the fat man in the middle?

96 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:13:32am

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

I grew up in New Orleans--where the bars NEVER close. They just fire the grill up at 5AM and start cooking breakfast. How my liver survived college and law school, I'll never know.

97 capitalist piglet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:13:41am

re: #56 gmsc

So, how is 0bama doing so far?

Dow ends at lowest close in more than 6 years

Wholesale inflation takes biggest jump in 6 months

Jobless Claims Hit All-Time High

And it's all downhill from here.

98 slokat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:13:52am

re: #78 Salamantis
(the following has been quite altered from the original)


"When belief in a science dies, science dies. When the last technician renounces his data and turns to another reality, science ceases to be."

Just adjusting the meme...

99 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:14:01am

re: #94 Bobibutu

I thought Chairman Obamble was going to get a better standing in the world for the US of A. I thought the world would stop hating the US and be friendly. gosh, I was naive. ;-) hehe

100 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:14:12am

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

First off, there is nothing explaining how they got the "picture" of the grid. Side search sonar, submersible, what? It's claimed to be 3 1/2 miles deep. It's not a sat picture.

Second, I have already found the story on a UFO site, claiming it's a alien base.

There is a lot missing in the article.

On google earth now trying to find ant truth to this

101 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:14:36am

re: #96 calcajun

I grew up in New Orleans--where the bars NEVER close. They just fire the grill up at 5AM and start cooking breakfast. How my liver survived college and law school, I'll never know.

My point being, if you have a problem with the stuff at Walmart, then you are not a professional drinker.

102 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:15:08am

re: #98 slokat

I would duck, if I were you.

103 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:16:18am

re: #96 calcajun

I grew up in New Orleans--where the bars NEVER close. They just fire the grill up at 5AM and start cooking breakfast. How my liver survived college and law school, I'll never know.

same way mine did........

intelligent design?

104 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:16:18am

re: #95 Walter L. Newton

He's Pierre Hel. I just finished a cello made by him, getting ready to ship out next week. Killian googled him on #85, some of those results are forgeries, BTW. I won't say which ones.

105 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:16:31am

It's pretty funny too because Americans have suddenly given congress higher marks according to polls. The same morons that are already failing and destroying this country are getting high marks. I find that amazing but not surprising.

At the same time Obama is sending in 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan and Time Magazine called it the "Yes We Can War." I do not kid. At the same time the primitives in the middle east region are stabbing us in the back.

Everything's going to be just fine. Just watch more TV and wait for your unemployment check.

106 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:16:34am

re: #101 Walter L. Newton

My point being, if you have a problem with the stuff at Walmart, then you are not a professional drinker.

But that means giving up my amateur status. How could I compete in the next Olympics? Oh, switch to a bong--that's right.

107 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:17:02am

re: #100 Erik The Red

On google earth now trying to find ant truth to this

They gave no Lat/Lon, if it was anything, they either would have given something or nothing, not that half-assed location. It's a bunch of bullshit. And let's, in the least, assume it is some sunken ruin, well how the fuck can they call it anything besides a ruin. This isn't science.

108 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:17:18am

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Am I going to remind you about our conversation we had before, tomorrow?

109 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:17:20am

re: #91 Gus 802

Thanks. It's good to know how long down to the seconds. It can't happen soon enough. Now all we need is someone that has some brains for 2012.

Sarah.

110 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:17:34am

Time for bed, Lizards.

On the morrow!

111 gmsc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:17:35am

You have to feel for this company, who went out of business in 1989, due largely to the unfortunate connotations of their product name:

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
112 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:18:19am

re: #109 redc1c4

She may be ready in 2016. Let's take the Senate or Congress back in 2010.

113 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:19:29am

re: #109 redc1c4

Sarah.

We'll see. 2012 is a long ways off. I already voted for her once. But these morons have got to go. In all honesty it was better with George W. Bush even with his shortcomings.

114 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:19:34am

re: #107 Walter L. Newton

They gave no Lat/Lon, if it was anything, they either would have given something or nothing, not that half-assed location. It's a bunch of bullshit. And let's, in the least, assume it is some sunken ruin, well how the fuck can they call it anything besides a ruin. This isn't science.

Yeah I know but I loved Man From Atlantis when I was a kid. It would be cool if it was found.

115 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:20:17am

re: #108 winston06

Am I going to remind you about our conversation we had before, tomorrow?

Yes please. I will forget if you don't remind me.

116 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:20:35am

re: #115 Killgore Trout

k. will do. thnx

117 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:22:05am

re: #104 Killgore Trout

I also have two cellos by this guy and a violin by this guy. It's amazing what google turns up these days.

118 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:22:52am

re: #99 winston06

I thought Chairman Obamble was going to get a better standing in the world for the US of A. I thought the world would stop hating the US and be friendly. gosh, I was naive. ;-) hehe

You are not alone.

/

119 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:22:58am

re: #98 slokat

(the following has been quite altered from the original)

"When belief in a science dies, science dies. When the last technician renounces his data and turns to another reality, science ceases to be."

Just adjusting the meme...

Objective physical reality will remain as it is whether or not it is discerned by science, ready for the next researcher to devise the technology with which to peruse it, but no one is able to physically point to a god that is empirically detectable and independent of human conceptions of it.

120 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:23:12am

re: #116 winston06

I'm sticking a post it on my monitor just in case we don't cross paths tomorrow.

121 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:23:41am

re: #120 Killgore Trout

cool

122 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:25:23am

re: #121 winston06

Well, at least I didn't put all my money in the stock market. It's kinda cool seeing the faces.

123 gmsc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:26:51am

re: #118 Bobibutu

You are not alone.

/

Google Video
124 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:27:14am

re: #122 Killgore Trout

Is Fox News' show Red Eye on now? Worth watching...

125 gmsc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:27:32am

re: #124 winston06

Is Fox News' show Red Eye on now? Worth watching...

When did they change it?

///

126 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:27:43am

Obama is a moron. Geinter is a moron. Volcker is a moron. Carter is a moron. Salazar is a moron. Hillary is a moron. Biden is a moron. Pelosi is a moron. Reid is a moron.

Things are looking up with this DailyKos administration.

/Yes I'm cynical.

127 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:27:48am

re: #122 Killgore Trout

Well, at least I didn't put all my money in the stock market. It's kinda cool seeing the faces.

i enjoy seeing all the faces of the true believers...........

/what bottom?

128 blackpajamas  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:28:01am

Random Abandon

"For a woman qua woman, the essence of femininity is hero-worship—the desire to look up to man."*[1]

Oh really? Even if that (nominal) man were a flaccid factotum?

Even given a lifetime of extreme-yoga lessons (being able to bend over like Barney Frank at a closed-door session of "hide the intern"), could the modern day Ayn Rands of the world bring themselves to stoop low enough to be able to look up to our Free Bailing Mortgage Messiah, Obozo the 1st?

Consulting the gospel according to Ayn:

"Francisco Domingo Carlos Andres Sebastian d'Anconia sat on the floor, playing marbles ... Nobody described his appearance as Latin, yet the word applied to him, not in it's present, but in it's original sense, not pertaining to Spain, but to ancient Rome
...
He sat on the floor of his drawing room, dressed in sleeping pajamas of thin black silk. The marbles spread on the carpet around him were made of the semi-precious stones of his native country: carnelian and rock crystal.
...
Almost dispassionately, looking at his figure stretched on the carpet at her feet, she observed what memory it brought back to her: the black pajamas stressed the lines of his body,"[2]

Clearly, while Ms. Rand suffers from some kind of spell-bound evening wear fetish (at least when describing manly men), it's not entirely certain what obtains in the scenario of today -- when instead poseurs, cheap sweat shop imitations of the self-made man, attempt to stimulate a lady's rational self interest.

In Ayn's Opus, what would happen if the lead male characters were not men of character, but finger puppets of an electoral clown college, with nothing of substance to actually shrug?

Would the essence of femininity then be zero-worship?

"Broke O'Dumbo Puppetto Americano Stupido d'oh Bozo sat on the floor, playing with your marbles ..."

*She said some wacky stuff, but her book is interesting to read in the Age of Obozo the Con.

//g'nite

129 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:28:27am

re: #124 winston06

Is Fox News' show Red Eye on now? Worth watching...

Best show on Fox. Red Eye.

130 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:28:39am

re: #125 gmsc

When did they change it?

///

i'm not on it, therefore it can't be.

131 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:29:53am

re: #78 Salamantis

Here's another quote by Harlan Ellison:

"When belief in a god dies, the god dies. When the last acolyte renounces his faith and turns to another deity, the god ceases to be."

/have you met redc1c4?

132 gmsc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:30:02am

re: #126 Gus 802

Obama is a moron. Geinter is a moron. Volcker is a moron. Carter is a moron. Salazar is a moron. Hillary is a moron. Biden is a moron. Pelosi is a moron. Reid is a moron.

Things are looking up with this DailyKos administration.

/Yes I'm cynical.

0bama tried to throw them all under the bus, but the bus driver said, "Sorry, no more on..."

133 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:31:00am

re: #129 Gus 802

I am watching. Who gave that idiot professor (the black guy) on the panel tonight a PhD? I feel awful for his victims, ummm I meant his students.

134 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:31:25am

re: #125 gmsc

did they ever change it? ;-)

135 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:31:33am

re: #132 gmsc

0bama tried to throw them all under the bus, but the bus driver said, "Sorry, no more on..."

No doubt. My thinking was that Howard Dean called the shots along with the DNC. The rest of the story is that the Obama administration is the Clinton/Carter administration on acid, lite.

They're all lawyers.

136 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:32:37am

re: #135 Gus 802

They're all lawyers.

/and?

137 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:32:49am

re: #134 winston06

Digging deeper ...

Kazakhstan's Defense Policy: An Assessment of the Trends.
[Link: www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil...]

138 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:32:52am

re: #133 winston06

I am watching. Who gave that idiot professor (the black guy) on the panel tonight a PhD? I feel awful for his victims, ummm I meant his students.

I didn't watch it. No TV here so I watch it online but I think I know what you're talking about. That PhD is kind of dorky if it's who I think he is -- he's an Obama shill.

139 gmsc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:32:56am

Looking for an unbiased newspaper? You might want to avoid the Seattle Post-Intelligencer (if you aren't already):

Union explores P-I buyout idea

More on this from Ace at: Overnight Open Thread: Antiques Roadshow/The Ink of Indifference (genghis)

140 gmsc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:33:30am

re: #134 winston06

did they ever change it? ;-)

Well, you said it was worth watching now, so they've obviously changed it from what I've seen of it.

141 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:33:54am

re: #136 Killian Bundy

/and?

We need more than lawyers. Last time I checked lawyers aren't the brightest bulbs in the world. You know what they say: being an attorney is 90% acting.

142 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:34:38am

re: #123 gmsc

Nice voice - can't stand the guy.

143 slokat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:34:42am

re: #119 Salamantis

Objective physical reality will remain as it is whether or not it is discerned by science, ready for the next researcher to devise the technology with which to peruse it, but no one is able to physically point to a god that is empirically detectable and independent of human conceptions of it.

Science is a human construct, and is limited to human definition...

Things seem to exist, even if we don't/can't/haven't perceived them, measured them, or defined them.

...even also, if we have.

Besides, I was just turning an old, worn out quote onto it's ear.

144 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:35:10am

re: #124 winston06

Refresh my memory; you're a Persian speaker (I assume fluent) and a Canadian citizen. Right? Are you going to be in DC next month? Any Arabic? Whatever advice I can muster will probably be pretty general but your specifics might help.If I've given too much info you can request deletion and Charles.stinky can whack this post for you. No worries.

145 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:35:44am

Erik I found it on Google earth. Look for canary Isles and move about 250 miles west then about 5 north its near an underwater mountain range.

146 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:35:52am

I better hit the hay before I piss someone off. Later folks!

147 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:36:13am

re: #131 Killian Bundy

/have you met redc1c4?

I've seen the nick on posts. What does that have to do with a Harlan Ellison quote from the foreword to Deathbird Stories?

148 TheMatrix31  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:36:25am

LMAO.

Look at this class listing under Poli Sci for Spring 2009 @ UCLA.

"Diversity, Disagreement, and Democracy: Can't We All Just Get Along?"
-----------

Maybe it teaches people how to unclench their fists?!

149 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:36:31am

re: #146 Gus 802

Fuck off and go to bed.
/

150 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:36:36am

re: #146 Gus 802

I better hit the hay before I piss someone off. Later folks!

Nite - I'm down as well.

151 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:37:31am

re: #145 Rustler

Erik I found it on Google earth. Look for canary Isles and move about 250 miles west then about 5 north its near an underwater mountain range.

Give me the quads.

152 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:38:26am

re: #137 Bobibutu

Kyrgyzstan.... not Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan is where Borat comes from

153 gmsc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:39:15am

re: #141 Gus 802

We need more than lawyers. Last time I checked lawyers aren't the brightest bulbs in the world. You know what they say: being an attorney is 90% acting.

This must've been confusing, then...
;)

Youtube Video
154 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:39:41am

re: #152 winston06

Kyrgyzstan.... not Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan is where Borat comes from

Busted ... it's late.

155 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:39:42am

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Native Persian speaker living in Canada. Yes. Want more info? shoot me an email through my weblog linked here.

156 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:40:15am

re: #154 Bobibutu

Kyr in persian lang. means dick, Btw. ;-)

157 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:41:34am

re: #141 Gus 802

We need more than lawyers. Last time I checked lawyers aren't the brightest bulbs in the world. You know what they say: being an attorney is 90% acting.

Really?

/first stop, LSAT, prove you're worthy, three years later the bar exam lasts two days and is much harder

158 Bob Dillon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:42:02am

re: #156 winston06

Kyr in persian lang. means dick, Btw. ;-)

Ha! I really am going down now - catch ya when the sun is shining.

159 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:42:40am

re: #158 Bobibutu

g'nite

160 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:42:52am

re: #155 winston06

That should be enough. Like I said, whatever advice I might get will be pretty general but it's from a a pretty good source.

161 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:43:25am

re: #143 slokat

Science is a human construct, and is limited to human definition...

Things seem to exist, even if we don't/can't/haven't perceived them, measured them, or defined them.

...even also, if we have.

Besides, I was just turning an old, worn out quote onto it's ear.

Science is a method by which humans systematically interrogate the empirical universe. This universe exists independently of our perception of it, and our perception of it can never encompass it in its totality. But what we can say about it is that its intrinsic existence (universe-in-itself) must noncontradictorally contain, as a component or aspect, its capacity to be perceived by us as we perceive it (universe-for-us).

And the quote dates from 1975, so it is only 34 years old. If you think that all quotes that old or older are worn out, that doesn't leave you with most of what's quotable.

162 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:43:33am

I heard about the tragic worst-case scenario unfolded while president 0bama was visiting Canada.

Apparently he came back to the USA.

163 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:43:33am

Time to take the salmon out of the smoker.
/Namaste, y'all

164 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:43:40am

re: #160 Killgore Trout

great!

165 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:43:57am

time to hit the rack here too... g'nite all

166 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:44:16am

re: #151 Erik The Red 31.231592,-24.21936

167 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:44:30am

re: #162 Fenway_Nation

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

168 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:45:24am

re: #131 Killian Bundy

/have you met redc1c4?

i'm an asshole, not a g*d.......

we transcend space and time

/you would know.

169 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:46:36am

re: #167 winston06


Can we trade Harper for 0bama? I mean....aren't you Canucks more or less resigned to having a nanny-state socialist lording over you regardless?

170 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:48:46am

/re: #168 redc1c4

i'm an asshole, not a g*d.......

we transcend space and time

/you would know.

/yep

171 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:49:33am

Harper as prez and Don Cherry as Veep....in exchange for 0bama/Biden.

I'm sure the sepratists and greenies would be thrilled.

172 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:50:02am

re: #166 Rustler 52.146973, -17.786865 is a second formation about 75 miles from Ireland but doesn't look as neat and ordered as the one near the canaries.

173 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:51:22am

re: #166 Rustler

31.231592,-24.21936

Well found Rustler it is there. Now the million $ question what is it?

174 slokat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:51:34am

re: #161 Salamantis

Overused, creates worn out.
+ 1974 is old in terms of science & society change.

And, the rest of the definitions we are seemingly agreeing on, just stating in different ways.

Science is our attempt to define perception...

175 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:53:49am

re: #173 Erik The Red Natural formation same sort of formations occur on mars and places like the moon. I doubt it is atlantis or even man made.

176 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:53:53am

re: #172 Rustler

52.146973, -17.786865 is a second formation about 75 miles from Ireland but doesn't look as neat and ordered as the one near the canaries.

Looks pretty random to me.

177 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:54:18am

Ping SloKat!

we have new places to eat & drink as long as you're in the harbor!

178 slokat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:54:37am

re: #168 redc1c4

i'm an asshole, not a g*d.......

we transcend space and time

And, he knows how to BBQ!

179 Ziggy Standard  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:56:04am

Guess who attended and spoke at celebrations commemorating the 74th anniversary of the founding of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party (the neo-nazi thugs who attacked Hitchens the other day) in 2006?

[Link: thetyee.ca...]

George Galloway of course. And of Hitch and Galloway, which one is the celebrated icon of the left? George Galloway of course!

180 slokat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:56:48am

re: #177 redc1c4

Ping SloKat!

we have new places to eat & drink as long as you're in the harbor!

Cool, what flavors?

My list is getting shorter on things to fix before the uphill voyage.

181 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:57:19am

re: #174 slokat

Overused, creates worn out.
+ 1974 is old in terms of science & society change.

So you're not dissing it because you disagree with it, but because you consider it to be cliche?

And, the rest of the definitions we are seemingly agreeing on, just stating in different ways.

Science is our attempt to define perception...

No, science is our attempt to conceive of the universe (frame it in concepts, understand it) by means of systematic perception, both direct and technologically augmented.

182 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 12:57:54am

re: #176 Erik The Red
Look at the perfectly straight lines on the outter edge rather than the randomness inside. Few Cities even in the old days had the perfectly ordered appearance depicted near the canary isles.

183 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:01:09am

re: #181 Salamantis

No, science is our attempt to conceive of the universe (frame it in concepts, understand it) by means of systematic perception, both direct and technologically augmented.

/redc1c4?

184 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:01:28am

re: #182 Rustler

Look at the perfectly straight lines on the outter edge rather than the randomness inside. Few Cities even in the old days had the perfectly ordered appearance depicted near the canary isles.

How deep did they say? About 2.5 miles? Is there a craft that can go that deep?

185 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:02:57am

re: #184 Erik The Red
Didn't catch the depth but that area of the ocean tends to be in the 7500 plus depth so 1.5 plus miles likely.

186 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:04:59am

Here is an essay about the author of both the quotation at the head of this thread and the one I supplied: Harlan Ellison:

[Link: www.islets.net...]

187 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:05:06am

re: #184 Erik The Red
Sun article says 3.5 miles

188 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:05:12am

re: #181 Salamantis

No, science is our attempt to conceive of the universe (frame it in concepts, understand it) by means of systematic perception, both direct and technologically augmented.

/wrong thread, do not pass Go, immediately deploy to Afghanistan

189 gmsc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:05:29am

re: #184 Erik The Red

How deep did they say? About 2.5 miles? Is there a craft that can go that deep?

Let's see . . . 2.5 miles beneath the ocean for 2000+ years. If that is Atlantis, it's probably not the paradise it once was.

190 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:06:26am

re: #189 gmsc

Let's see . . . 2.5 miles beneath the ocean for 2000+ years. If that is Atlantis, it's probably not the paradise it once was.

lol. But Patrick lived there.

191 slokat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:08:08am

re: #181 Salamantis

I can disagree with a cliche if it's true, or if it's not.
False cliches are just as trite as true cliches. (& vis-a-vis)

...systematic perception, is also a human construct - an attempt to control input and define data so that it can be perceived in accordance with known reality.

192 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:09:41am

Headed out for a bit be safe all

193 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:12:01am

Nikkei down 1.87%
Hang Sen down 2.49%
All Ordinaries down 1.32%
Shanghai Composite up 1.54%
Straits Times down 1.76%
KOPSI Seoul Composite down 3.72%
NZSE New Zealand down 1.54%

The only way I can really see this skid slowing down is if the bargain hunters come out in force, but even then that would only be good for a nominal bounce.

194 gmsc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:13:18am

"I've often thought creationists/I.D.ers should identify themselves more readily, such as with a bracelet. That way, we can avoid accidentally offending them with science-based resources, such as computers or medicine."

-Anonymous

195 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:13:36am

re: #186 Salamanass

Here is an essay about the author of both the quotation at the head of this thread and the one I supplied: Harlan Ellison:

[Link: www.islets.net...]

Wow, Science Fiction reality.

/so much crap fun

196 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:13:42am

re: #180 slokat

Cool, what flavors?

My list is getting shorter on things to fix before the uphill voyage.

one old time, circa 1924, beer bar wit samitches and studd, and the rock bottom brewery just off the bridge in downtown.

our little thai place is still there, but it's a "daytime" place, if you know what i mean.....

197 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:14:24am

re: #183 Killian Bundy

/redc1c4?

why you dragging me into your bs?

198 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:15:39am

re: #184 Erik The Red

How deep did they say? About 2.5 miles? Is there a craft that can go that deep?

boocoo..... there isn't any place they can't go anymore. it just takes effort.

199 freetoken  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:18:14am

re: #175 Rustler

Natural formation [...]

Natural formations? I already gave you a link with plenty of samples of natural formations....

/oohhh...

200 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:18:45am

re: #198 redc1c4 think the current deepest depth they have gotten a ROV is about the 4 mile mark in the Mariana trench. At those depths pressure becomes insane for most equipment and send a manned craft is likely impossible with current techs.

201 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:18:52am

re: #197 redc1c4

why you dragging me into your bs?

/retreat if you must but there's an asshole making fun of you

202 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:19:26am

re: #193 Fenway_Nation

Nikkei down 1.87%
Hang Sen down 2.49%
All Ordinaries down 1.32%
Shanghai Composite up 1.54%
Straits Times down 1.76%
KOPSI Seoul Composite down 3.72%
NZSE New Zealand down 1.54%

The only way I can really see this skid slowing down is if the bargain hunters come out in force, but even then that would only be good for a nominal bounce.

YBF!

204 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:20:30am

re: #191 slokat

I can disagree with a cliche if it's true, or if it's not.
False cliches are just as trite as true cliches. (& vis-a-vis)

Nice sidestep.

...systematic perception, is also a human construct - an attempt to control input and define data so that it can be perceived in accordance with known reality.

This definition is circular, because we only know reality via perception.

It was Immanual Kant who said that conception without perception is empty; perception without conception is blind. Of course, he first published it in 1781, so you might consider the quote to be old and worn out - and may or may not consider it - or anything else - to be true.

To systematize perception is akin to applying logic or mathematics; it is a method of maximizing reception while minimizing error.

205 slokat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:23:01am

re: #196 redc1c4

Hope to be there next weekend. The wind pushed us to about a 5 degree list, in the slip Saturday night. Plus we found some port/hatch/deck inlet leaks, that we didn't know about, before...

Just thinking, hope that the O doesn't go after boats & their owners like Jimmah did...

206 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:23:07am

re: #201 Killian Bundy

/retreat if you must but there's an asshole making fun of you

you're really much wittier when you let the cat type for you.

207 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:24:50am

re: #205 slokat

Hope to be there next weekend. The wind pushed us to about a 5 degree list, in the slip Saturday night. Plus we found some port/hatch/deck inlet leaks, that we didn't know about, before...

Just thinking, hope that the O doesn't go after boats & their owners like Jimmah did...

he will.... as the economy tanks, he's gonna have to go after everyone....

besides: with a boat you might escape Paradise!

208 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:25:32am

re: #206 redc1c4

you're really much wittier when you let the cat type for you.

/roger that

209 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:27:16am

re: #207 redc1c4

Wonder if they'll go ahead and confiscate the compasses, too...

210 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:30:42am

European markets aren't doing any better.....

211 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:30:57am

re: #200 Rustler

think the current deepest depth they have gotten a ROV is about the 4 mile mark in the Mariana trench. At those depths pressure becomes insane for most equipment and send a manned craft is likely impossible with current techs.

Triste went all the way to the bottom of the Marianas Trench in 1960.....

freakin deep!

212 Ziggy Standard  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:31:04am

Attention medieval warm period fans:

[Link: www.englishwineproducers.com...]

Doing well in international competition too:

[Link: www.englishwineproducers.com...]

213 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:32:08am

re: #209 Fenway_Nation

Wonder if they'll go ahead and confiscate the compasses, too...

long as you can get a needle, some silk and a water dish......

214 gmsc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:33:09am

9 Bizarre Moments in Economic History (1-5)

In the last 2,000 years, commodity shortages, financial speculation, wars, famines, and outright manias have created some pretty strange economic behavior throughout the world. Here are nine examples.

1. Cake or Death?

In order to stop rising inflation and devaluation of the currency in third century Rome, Emperor Diocletian instituted fixed prices on most consumer goods. Anyone selling goods at prices higher than those of the emperor was put to death; this led to hoarding of goods. A law was then passed that forbade the hoarding of goods. Penalty? Death. So people just closed their businesses, then another law was passed. You guessed it: shut down your business or fail to follow in your father’s business? Death. It’s amazing the Roman Empire lasted as long as it did.

2. Gonna Barter Like It’s B.C. 99

When the Roman Empire collapsed in the 5th century, so did the Roman financial system. Part of the collapse was the disappearance of Roman coinage. Nowhere was this more evident than in England, where, according to archeological evidence, money basically disappeared, driving the British isles straight back to a barter economy. Coinage only came back centuries later when the English were forced to pay protection money (Danegeld) to the Vikings to stop the constant pillaging.

3. 99.9% Pure

In 15th century Germany, grain shortages – acceptable – frequently led to beer shortages – unacceptable. In response, brewers in towns like Munich and Regensburg used seeds, spices, and rushes to flavor their beers. Showing an uncomfortable foreshadowing of future events, German authorities instituted purity laws stating that only water, barley, and hops could be used in the brewing of beer. The rule, or Reinheitsgebot, is still on the books today.

4. Nothing But the Best for France

While the Sun King, Louis XIV, and his building of Versailles typically get all the credit for bankrupting France in the seventeenth century, his Minister of Finance, Jean-Baptiste Colbert deserves some kudos as well. Colbert’s tax schemes, deficit spending, and manic obsession with the production of luxury goods – to the detriment, or outright exclusion of ordinary consumer goods – emptied the French treasuries, drove the peasantry to starvation, and laid the foundation for the bloodiest revolution of the age. But, let’s face it: who wouldn’t trade the fate of an entire nation for a really, really well made tapestry?

5. Adjustable Rate Mortgage, Archduke Ferdinand?

In the 1860s, the rulers of the newly-formed Austro-Hungarian Empire encouraged their bankers to be more free with their lending standards. Their goal was to encourage growth in the empire. The result (this is going to sound eerily familiar) was over-speculation in building, massive default on borrowed funds, and economic collapse throughout Central Europe. The worldwide depression reached all the way to the United States and triggered the Panic of 1873. On the bright side, many of the most beautiful buildings in Europe come from this period of “irrational exuberance.”

215 slokat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:33:19am

re: #204 Salamantis

Not side stepping, just saying things in ways that are different than how you'd say them, yet basically the same.

Science is artificial.
Science deals with what we perceive to be real, universal.
Science is limited to human understanding.

216 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:34:25am

re: #211 redc1c4

freakin deep!

/Project Jennifer

217 gmsc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:34:46am

9 Bizarre Moments in Economic History (6-9)

6. Mississippi Burning

John Law, a Scottish banker and businessman, took control of a French enterprise called the Mississippi Company in 1717. In just a few years, he turned the company into the main economic force behind the French colonies throughout the world. The share price for the company went from about 500 livres in 1719 to 10,000 livres in 1720. Just one year later though, in a rather Enron-like turnaround, the stock price collapsed, Law fled France, and the French government (as the primary shareholder) was forced to cancel a significant portion of its debt obligations leaving lenders throughout the world ruined. Economists refer to the episode as the “Mississippi Bubble.”

7. The Mason-Dixon Bottom Line

Many have read about the effects of hyperinflation on the German Weimar Republic. From 1920-1923, prices in Germany increased as much as 3.25 million percent. People burned their old currency for warmth, since it was less costly than buying wood. But, few know that the same type of hyperinflation, albeit to a lesser extent, affected the Confederate States of America. From 1861 to 1864, the commodity price index rose as high as 10% a month. By the end of the Civil War, the cost of living in dear old Dixie was 92% higher than before the war.

8. Prayer Pays

In 1943, due to shortage of raw materials like paper and leather, and an increase in wartime piety, there was an actual Bible shortage in the United States.

9. Tokyo Falling

Japan had one of the most meteoric economic rises of the twentieth century. By the late ‘80s, property values had risen so high that all the land in Japan was worth four times the value of all the property in the United States. The real estate value of Tokyo alone was valued at more than that of all America. By the end of the century, however, the Tokyo stock exchange was off 60 percent of its 1989 high, and property values had fallen as much as 80 percent. Some blame over-speculation, others blame Michael Crichton’s novel Rising Sun.

218 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:39:12am

re: #215 slokat

Not side stepping, just saying things in ways that are different than how you'd say them, yet basically the same.

Science is artificial.
Science deals with what we perceive to be real, universal.
Science is limited to human understanding.

Science is the attempt to wring as much knowledge as possible from perception, and perception is quite natural to us.

Science derives universal principles from aggregates of specific perceptions, not by imposing those universals upon the perceptions, but by allowing commonalities to arise and emerge from them.

Science is a method of systematically optimizing human understanding, by systematizing the perceptions from which it is drawn.

219 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:42:09am

re: #216 Killian Bundy

/Project Jennifer

that's about 18K less that the Marianas...... still impressive

220 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:43:36am

re: #218 Salamantass

Science is the attempt to wring as much knowledge as possible from perception, and perception is quite natural to us.

Science derives universal principles from aggregates of specific perceptions, not by imposing those universals upon the perceptions, but by allowing commonalities to arise and emerge from them.

Science is a method of systematically optimizing human understanding, by systematizing the perceptions from which it is drawn.

/and you didn't use the word empirical, exceeded your quota no dobt

221 Clio  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:44:11am

The quoted tirade is apparently against the New Testament line that is translated in the 17th-century King James Version as "the MEEK shall inherit the earth.

What the author seems not to know is that when this translation was made the word "meek" did NOT mean weak or timid. It meant good-breeding and courteous manners. (The French translation uses "debonaire".)

When Chaucer described his Kinight "as to his porte [conduct] as meeke as is a mayde [young lady]" he most surely did not mean that this veteran military hero was weak and timid. He meant that he showed good manners toward all.

The author of the cited passage should update his adjectives before he does battle with them.

222 slokat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:45:46am

re: #218 Salamantis

Time to go off to bed, but I will disagree on science being natural, it's an artificial system set up to explain our perception of the universe.

It might be true or right, but it will all be shot to hell when an alien life form comes and visits earth with technology that contradicts our science. ;)

223 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:45:57am

re: #220 Krillian Bumbler

/and you didn't use the word empirical, exceeded your quota no dobt

I use whatever word I judge appropriate. As do we all.

224 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:46:02am

re: #221 Clio

I didn't read it as a "battle" against the Biblical passage at all.

225 Ziggy Standard  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:48:14am

re: #215 slokat


Science is limited to human understanding.

Science takes us beyond our current understanding time and time again and gives us a bigger, more complex and sometimes shockingly counter-intuitive view that no one had anticipated before. Science has given us a way to go beyond those limitations because it allows us to question nature and get answers not from other humans or from some place in our subconscious, but from nature itself.

226 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:49:45am

re: #222 slokat

Don't really know how their science could contradict our as they'd be part of the same universe and subject to the same natural laws that govern it. Their knowledge and technology might be more advances, but that doesn't mean it contradicts science.

227 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:49:55am

re: #223 Salamantass

I use whatever word I judge appropriate. As do we all.

/party on, you're 12 minutes from queering everybody's fun

228 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:50:39am

re: #222 slokat

Time to go off to bed, but I will disagree on science being natural, it's an artificial system set up to explain our perception of the universe.

No, science is the systermatization and technological augmentation of natural human perception.

It might be true or right, but it will all be shot to hell when an alien life form comes and visits earth with technology that contradicts our science. ;)

That would only mean that our scientific understanding was in need of expansion, and we would be most grateful for alien assistance in doing so. The most likely result would be that our previous theories would be subsumed as special cases of more general conceptions, much as Einstein did with Newton.

229 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:52:13am

re: #227 Killian Bundy

/party on, you're 12 minutes from queering everybody's fun

Heaven forfend that actual cognition intrude...;~)

230 redc1c4  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:53:40am

re: #229 Salamantis

Heaven forfend that actual cognition intrude...;~)

no worries! you're safe from that......

231 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:54:58am

re: #230 redc1c4

no worries! you're safe from that......

At least as far as some of my interlocuters are concerned...

232 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:55:34am

re: #229 Salamantis

Heaven forfend that actual cognition intrude...;~)

/you need to Redando Beach

233 TheMatrix31  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:55:47am

**sigh**

Class offerings for Spring are terrible.

234 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 1:57:23am

re: #232 Killian Bundy

/you need to Redando Beach

If you're suggesting that I chill out, kick back, and pop the top on my 3rd beer, you might be right about that.

235 littleoldlady  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:00:19am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!

236 BlueCanuck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:00:48am

Morning littleoldlady. Thanks for the fruitcup.

237 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:01:02am

re: #234 Salamantis

If you're suggesting that I chill out, kick back, and pop the top on my 3rd beer, you might be right about that.

/hey, as long as you don't pretend to be trained infantry

238 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:01:05am

re: #235 littleoldlady

Thank Heaven for little pleasures.

239 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:02:26am

re: #235 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!

{lol} Morning. Thanks for fruitcup.

240 littleoldlady  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:02:36am

BlueCanuck! :-)

Sharmuta! :-)

BBIAB. I'm explaining something to a friend in an IM and I'm a slow typer...
;-)

241 littleoldlady  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:02:50am

Erik! :-)

242 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:03:07am

re: #235 littleoldlady

Morning Lol!

243 TheMatrix31  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:04:18am

re: #235 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!

Mornin!

244 freetoken  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:04:57am

re: #235 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!

Yummm.... good accompaniment to the study of ...er.... natural formations. Just keep this little guy away from the table till I get back.

245 mardukhai  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:08:04am

Harlan Ellison -- I've spoken to him a number of times, and he's a very, very difficult man.

246 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:08:32am

re: #237 Killian Bundy

/hey, as long as you don't pretend to be trained infantry

Naah...I was a tweet - Naval aviation electronics; an aviation antisubmarine warfare technician (AX). I hunted Soviet subs from H-2 Seasprites and P-3 Orions during the Cold War (Ford and Carter administrations).

247 littleoldlady  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:11:11am

Fenway! :-)

Matrix! :-)

freetoken! :-)

248 littleoldlady  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:11:33am

re: #244 freetoken

YUCK!

249 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:14:26am

re: #248 littleoldlady

I saw "bat" in the link URL and opted not to look. Thanks for confirming.

250 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:15:12am

re: #246 Salamantis

Naah...I was a tweet - Naval aviation electronics; an aviation antisubmarine warfare technician (AX). I hunted Soviet subs from H-2 Seasprites and P-3 Orions during the Cold War (Ford and Carter administrations).

Thank you for your service.

/what do you do now?

251 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:16:49am

re: #250 Killian Bundy

Thank you for your service.

/what do you do now?

I buy and sell crystal and art glass on eBay.

252 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:18:34am

"Pump It"

253 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:19:46am

re: #244 freetoken

Yummm.... good accompaniment to the study of ...er.... natural formations. Just keep this little guy away from the table till I get back.

I got my hands full keeping this fucker away from my fruitcup this morning.

254 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:19:51am

re: #251 Salamantis

I buy and sell crystal and art glass on eBay.

/bull[expletive deleted], are you going to behave?

255 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:21:51am

re: #254 Killian Bundy

/bull[expletive deleted], are you going to behave?

It's true. I used my GI Bill to get my ba and ma, then taught for Troy State U. for a while, but the money's better and the hours are flexier doing what I do now.

256 TheMatrix31  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:22:17am

re: #252 Killian Bundy

"Pump It"

That's pretty cool, but I definitely prefer Dick Dale's version of Misirlou --

Dick Dale - Misirlou

257 schnapp  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:25:00am

re: #251 Salamantis

my auntie makes glass jewellery and gets here stuff from the states . . . maybe you're the guy.

258 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:25:15am

re: #256 TheMatrix31

That's pretty cool, but I definitely prefer Dick Dale's version of Misirlou --

Dick Dale - Misirlou

Hey Ya

/Move Along

259 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:26:51am

re: #257 schnapp

my auntie makes glass jewellery and gets here stuff from the states . . . maybe you're the guy.

Not unless she smashes stuff up. I deal in vases and bowls and centerpieces...stuff like that.

260 Killian Bundy  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:28:39am

re: #259 Salamantis

Not unless she smashes stuff up. I deal in vases and bowls and centerpieces...stuff like that.

So you're harmless.

/promise?

261 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:32:50am

re: #260 Killian Bundy

So you're harmless.

/promise?

Yeah...there are no unmarked graves in my backyard, if that's whatcha mean...

262 schnapp  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:34:55am

re: #259 Salamantis

ahaha ok.
i started uni today and there are so many socialist groups around. they are advocating "resistance and rebellion", venezuala/cuba solidarity, socialist alternatives and an end to "israeli aggression".
the campus needs an LGF club. with charles' permission i would start one up, but i don't think the socialists get much support anyway.

263 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:40:48am

re: #262 schnapp


Wonder how much 'Rebellion and Resistance' they'd advocate for the people of Venezuela...

264 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:42:14am

re: #261 Salamantis

Yeah...there are no unmarked graves in my backyard, if that's whatcha mean...

What about that one where you and I buried all those Behe books? ;)

265 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:43:02am

re: #264 Sharmuta

What about that one where you and I buried all those Behe books? ;)

Those were DEMBSKI books!

266 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:44:22am

re: #265 Salamantis

Those were DEMBSKI books!

There's a difference? ;p

267 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:44:47am

Neodymium Magnets NSFW No boobies but GORE

268 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:55:32am

re: #267 Erik The Red

Neodymium Magnets NSFW No boobies but GORE

Well that killed the thread.

269 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 2:58:59am

Actually, Sala- I was thinking of reading Darwin on Trial, but there's so many other books not filled with bullshit that I just don't know if I'll bother.

270 Salamantis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:08:24am

re: #269 Sharmuta

Actually, Sala- I was thinking of reading Darwin on Trial, but there's so many other books not filled with bullshit that I just don't know if I'll bother.

I wanna read Jerry Coyne's new one (Why Evolution Is True).

271 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:10:38am

re: #270 Salamantis

That's at the top of my list!

272 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:11:10am

Good morning, Lizards.

273 freetoken  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:11:46am

re: #262 schnapp

So many young college kids are still working out their separation from their parents (i.e., rebellion), that they work on that sort of in proxy by channeling their energy towards political groups. That was true when I went to college (lo these many years ago....), and it is true today. Most of them eventually outgrow it.

I don't know if Charles would be really keen in you using his moniker ("LGF"), but you could ask him.

One thought is that you could have an Army of Davids group, which could in some of its efforts model itself after LGF. That is, make it a focus of the group that ordinary college kids can use the technological wonders at their finger tips to be the means of exposing such foibles as hypocrisy in the media (which LGF does with aplomb.)

274 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:14:07am

Good morning, {goddess}. Hope you're well today.

275 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:15:13am

{Sharmuta}
I'm well, thanks. Life is a bit stressful, but them when is it not?

276 schnapp  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:17:17am

re: #273 freetoken

well apparently the socialists aren't popular anyway. that was why on orientation day the socialist groups were put on the outskirts of the grounds. there are groups that challenge them like AUJS (australian union of jewish students) and the young libs (who have a campaign called make education fair which targets left wing bias at unis and schools).

277 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:17:28am

'mornin

278 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:19:11am

re: #275 goddessoftheclassroom

Life is only as stressful as we allow it to be. It helps when we keep some perspective. Hakuna matata, or something.

279 summergurl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:20:58am

Morning Lizards,

I brewed some coffee and am rummaging for muffins.

280 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:21:41am

re: #279 summergurl

Morning Lizards,

I brewed some coffee and am rummaging for muffins.

ooo muffins!

281 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:23:24am

re: #278 Sharmuta

Life is only as stressful as we allow it to be. It helps when we keep some perspective. Hakuna matata, or something.

I think stress is in direct proportion to the number of responsibilities one has and how much one cares how well those responsibilities are dealt with.--amplified to the degree that there are variables out of one's control, including (in my case, especially) negative people.

I'm blessed indeed with not ever worrying about "what ifs," and in fact, I don't worry in the the typical sense. My

282 summergurl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:25:16am

re: #280 Hengineer

ooo muffins!

Would prefer something warm like pancakes for breakfast, but that is alot of work. Chilly out, had to bribe the dog to go outside this morning.

Goddess- It's Friday! That's a good thing isn't it?

283 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:29:52am

re: #282 summergurl

Would prefer something warm like pancakes for breakfast, but that is alot of work. Chilly out, had to bribe the dog to go outside this morning.

Goddess- It's Friday! That's a good thing isn't it?

{summergurl}

Bless you!
I'm going to share my three big issues:

1. My older son. "nuff said.

2. My EH is petitioning for joint legal custody, I have to convince the court, which is predisposed to grant said custody 99% time, that this is not a good idea. Our mediation date is Wednesday.

3. I'm directing a musical with hundreds of details. We open in two weeks.

I'll be fine...

284 summergurl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:30:14am

re: #281 goddessoftheclassroom


Negative and gossipy people - those I tend to move far across the room from - sometimes you can't avoid them or have to interact with them and that is when it is hard for me to be pleasant.

285 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:31:45am

re: #283 goddessoftheclassroom

{summergurl}

Bless you!
I'm going to share my three big issues:

1. My older son. "nuff said.

2. My EH is petitioning for joint legal custody, I have to convince the court, which is predisposed to grant said custody 99% time, that this is not a good idea. Our mediation date is Wednesday.

3. I'm directing a musical with hundreds of details. We open in two weeks.

I'll be fine...

What's wrong with sons? I'm one myself ;-)

286 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:33:12am

re: #283 goddessoftheclassroom You don't have any proof of the Exes misdeed to bring up as proof of his unfitness to help raise the child? Isn't he only doing the joint custody to hurt you and doesn't care about the kids or was that someone else on the boards?

287 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:33:30am

re: #285 Hengineer

What's wrong with sons? I'm one myself ;-)

I love my older son (17) dearly, but the issues in our family have adversely affected him, and I am deeply worried about his being a responsible, well-adjusted adult.

288 Hengineer  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:34:04am

re: #287 goddessoftheclassroom

I love my older son (17) dearly, but the issues in our family have adversely affected him, and I am deeply worried about his being a responsible, well-adjusted adult.

I guess I can understand that, I was 17 only but 10 small years ago

289 nonic  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:34:29am

Overheard: "The recession is hitting everyone. Just last week, a Washington lobby organization had to lay off seven Congressmen."

290 summergurl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:35:09am

re: #283 goddessoftheclassroom

{summergurl}

Bless you!
I'm going to share my three big issues:

1. My older son. "nuff said.

2. My EH is petitioning for joint legal custody, I have to convince the court, which is predisposed to grant said custody 99% time, that this is not a good idea. Our mediation date is Wednesday.

3. I'm directing a musical with hundreds of details. We open in two weeks.

I'll be fine...


ahhh - we have a younger "nuff said" son

Second marriage for us both, 6 kids total--- lots of drama at times, much less nowadays since they are all grown

Not direxting a musical but hosting a party for 40 tonight, making a presentation Sunday to a 100 people - plate is full--- lol

291 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:35:19am

re: #286 Rustler

You don't have any proof of the Exes misdeed to bring up as proof of his unfitness to help raise the child? Isn't he only doing the joint custody to hurt you and doesn't care about the kids or was that someone else on the boards?

Good memory! Yes, that tale of woe is mine. I've submitted all the documentation, including a lengthy narrative. If we don't come to an agreement, we will go before a judge for a final ruling later.

292 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:35:32am
My philosophy of life is that the meek shall inherit nothing but debasement, frustration and ignoble deaths

Science fiction.

293 nonic  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:35:47am

"Prosperity is when people buy things they can't afford; recession is when they stop doing it." H.E. Martz, Wall Street Journal, 1963

294 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:37:16am

re: #290 summergurl

ahhh - we have a younger "nuff said" son

Second marriage for us both, 6 kids total--- lots of drama at times, much less nowadays since they are all grown

Not direxting a musical but hosting a party for 40 tonight, making a presentation Sunday to a 100 people - plate is full--- lol

{summergurl}!

"My plate is full" is a GREAT metaphor! I just want some room for dessert!

295 nonic  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:37:17am

"A recession is when your neighbor loses his job. A depression is when you lose your job. And panic is when your wife loses her job." Winston K. Pendleton, Sunshine Magazine, 1990

296 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:38:24am

BBC just announcing that Netanyahu has been asked to form the next Israeli government.

297 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:39:23am

re: #296 Spare O'Lake

BBC just announcing that Netanyahu has been asked to form the next Israeli government.

WOOT!

In my limited understanding, this is a good thing. Any more well-informed views?

298 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:45:23am

re: #297 goddessoftheclassroom

WOOT!

In my limited understanding, this is a good thing. Any more well-informed views?

I am cautiously less pessimistic.

299 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:46:09am

re: #291 goddessoftheclassroom Ok will keep you in my prayers and good luck with a non courtroom settling of the issues.

300 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:47:57am

re: #297 goddessoftheclassroom
Bibi's win is good/great for Israel most likely but probably won't bide well for U.S./Israel relations because of who we have in orfice.

301 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:52:43am
Overheard: "The recession is hitting everyone. Just last week, a Washington lobby organization had to lay off seven Congressmen."

There. Fixed that for you.

I think that's a more realistic approximation of how things get done in DC sometimes. (And I'm not even a Wonkette follower.)

302 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:57:29am

re: #283 goddessoftheclassroom

{summergurl}

Bless you!
I'm going to share my three big issues:

1. My older son. "nuff said.

2. My EH is petitioning for joint legal custody, I have to convince the court, which is predisposed to grant said custody 99% time, that this is not a good idea. Our mediation date is Wednesday.

3. I'm directing a musical with hundreds of details. We open in two weeks.

I'll be fine...

You will be fine, {Teach}.
I'm sure you will be governed by what you truly believe to be in the best interests of the children. Everything else must take a back seat.
And stick to your guns!

303 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 3:58:53am

re: #287 goddessoftheclassroom

I love my older son (17) dearly, but the issues in our family have adversely affected him, and I am deeply worried about his being a responsible, well-adjusted adult.

UNSOLICITED ADVICE;

A male at that age, regardless of family issues, the BIGGEST thing to make sure of is that he has freinds of good character. (i.e. making sure he's not in the "wrong crowd")

IMHO

304 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:02:57am

re: #303 sattv4u2 Aye at that age who they hang out with has a big influence on who they will become.the whole 16-21ish age frame is big on finding ones self rather than what their parents have made em so try to influence those with whom he may aspire to become like.

305 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:04:17am

{sattv4u2}
{Rustler}

Oh, so true. I'm ok with his friends--none give me real worries.

306 NYCHardhat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:05:59am

Kerry/Obama/Hamas

307 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:08:03am

Morning all.
My eyes are barely open but I DO have coffee.

308 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:11:04am

BBAIWTD

309 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:13:21am

Good Morning Lizards!

This about sums up the stimulus bill.

310 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:13:23am

Hehe looks like we are getting some Chicagostanian hatchlings these last few days welcome Chicago Blonde.

311 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:13:38am

re: #306 NYCHardhat

"Your political leadership needs to understand that any nation [Israel] that has rockets coming into it over many years, threatening its citizens, is going to respond," Kerry told a Palestinian lawyer amid the rubble of the American International School destroyed in the war that ended on January 18.

Then, going completely off the rails:

Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, harshly criticised restrictions on the delivery of desperately needed goods into Gaza, which has been under a crippling Israeli blockade imposed after the 2007 Hamas takeover.

"People, innocent children, women and non-combatants, are going without water, food and sanitation, while the things they so desperately need are sitting in trucks at the border, being denied permission to go in," he said.

Given, Kerry is a twat. No argument there. But Ellison much more so. Ellison is a regular A-1 sonofabitch.

In the end, Israel needs to stop worrying about world opinion, and finish what they start. (How many times does this make they started kicking ass, then backed off?) These pointless skirmishes do nothing but inflame their neighbors and further jeopardize Israel. It's a slow sort of suicide.

312 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:14:10am

Got to run--have a good day!

313 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:15:16am

re: #310 Rustler

Thank you. Glad for coffee. Glad to be here.

314 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:17:57am

re: #283 goddessoftheclassroom

So sorry to hear about your troubles, goddess. My wife has a friend going through something similar right now and it really s*cks. My wife wants help but her friend is at that stage where she doesn't want to discuss it with anyone. We have just let her know we are here when she needs us. You, of course, know that you have the Lizard Nation to vent to and to look to for advice.

315 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:18:08am

re: #311 theheat Yeah it sucks to be Israel, Australia, Britain, or the US because we have adopted a moral stance that we hold ourselves to while everyone else Shits all over us. My favorite thing to reply to everyone with regards to our treatment of Terrorist combatants is we treat them way better than they treat anyone of ours they capture. They then go into a rant about the Geneva Convention so I have to inform them that if you play a game of capture the flag but only one side plays by the rules who is going to win. Haven't had a decent reply to that one other than being called a monster/nazi/asshole/racist among a host of other things.

316 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:18:57am

re: #313 Chicago Blonde

Thank you. Glad for coffee. Glad to be here.

MMMMM. Coffee.

317 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:20:34am

re: #316 Ford_Prefect

Homer Simpson was wrong. Donuts are wonderful. But coffee...that's the elixir of LIFE!

318 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:20:59am

re: #316 Ford_Prefect

MMMMM. Coffee.

Morning/Evening Lizards. You are all talking about coffee. I am thinking about an ice cold beer. I have another hour or two and then my weekend starts.

319 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:21:39am

re: #316 Ford_Prefect

Where are my manners? You want some, Ford? Cream, sugar? Plain?

320 summergurl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:21:49am

re: #309 Ford_Prefect

Good Morning Lizards!

This about sums up the stimulus bill.

Good one- emailed that pic on to family and friends

321 3 wood  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:22:25am

Good morning.

Look for the market to open down as the futures and Asian markets all are down as well.

The market tested and broke through the previous Dow low that wa set in November. That means you could have very sharp selling as scared investors run for the exit and wait for a new low to be found.

Obama's plans have flopped in the eyes of many investors, and in fact I think the market has pretty much had it with this "hand out for losers" mentality going on now. The realization is setting in that we elected a Marxist.

The Dow is down 9% and the S&P down 8.5% since Obama was sworn in.

Somewhere, Stalin is smiling.

322 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:23:14am

Morning all,

What are we talking about this fine Friday morning?

Oh great, I see the market tanked 141 while I was away yesterday. Must be Jimmah endorsing the one's stimulus plan. What a crock of shit! (channeling Lt. Frank Slade in one of turn's favorite movies)

323 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:23:41am

re: #315 Rustler

I don't have any moral dilemma about killing bad guys. (I would classify any group calling for the destruction of my countrymen bad guys, BTW.) No qualms whatsoever. And I can't think of any war won without some measure of collateral damage. It's a very sad, but real, thing that happens.

There comes a time where it's either you, or them. I'd just as soon it's them.

If it was as simple as hugging it out, history books would be a lot thinner.

324 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:24:33am

re: #318 Erik The Red

Oh, beer is a beautiful thing too but the sun isn't even up here yet.

/Still, could it be cooked into a sauce for a skirt steak & eggs? Hmmm...

325 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:25:23am

re: #319 Chicago Blonde

Where are my manners? You want some, Ford? Cream, sugar? Plain?

Cream, no sugar, please.

326 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:25:32am

re: #321 3 wood

Oh great 3W, now when I get my $13 I'll only be able to buy a figgin six pack.

327 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:26:02am

re: #324 Chicago Blonde

Oh, beer is a beautiful thing too but the sun isn't even up here yet.

/Still, could it be cooked into a sauce for a skirt steak & eggs? Hmmm...

That's the beauty of beer. You can drink it anytime. Remember it is always after 12 noon somewhere in the world.

328 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:26:11am

re: #325 Ford_Prefect

*Extending schooner with generous dollop of half & half*

329 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:26:22am

So for Presidents day the Local Am station had a call in fest to have people reply with their favorite presidents. Clinton had one vote Obama 2 rest went in mass quantities to Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Ronald Wilson Reagan. Callers were then asked if they could think of a Message said president would give to Obama.

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.-Thomas Jefferson

Would have been my vote for what was told to him allthough there are numerous others.

Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.-Thomas Jefferson
I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.-Thomas Jefferson

Power is not alluring to pure minds.-Thomas Jefferson

Most bad government has grown out of too much government.-Thomas Jefferson

What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?-Thomas Jefferson

are some others then there are the great 2nd Amendment statements he has made

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.-Thomas Jefferson

330 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:27:00am

re: #328 Chicago Blonde

*Extending schooner with generous dollop of half & half*

You are an angel, thank you.

331 3 wood  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:27:42am

re: #326 turn

Oh great 3W, now when I get my $13 I'll only be able to buy a figgin six pack.

I'm starting to think that Obama's goal is to turn us into Cuba, but without all the good weather.

332 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:27:43am

re: #327 Erik The Red

LOL! True, but my stomach can't be nudged out of Central Time!

/Though now I'm thinking about a skirt steak and a couple eggs...

333 summergurl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:27:59am

re: #321 3 wood

Good morning.

Look for the market to open down as the futures and Asian markets all are down as well.

The market tested and broke through the previous Dow low that wa set in November. That means you could have very sharp selling as scared investors run for the exit and wait for a new low to be found.

Obama's plans have flopped in the eyes of many investors, and in fact I think the market has pretty much had it with this "hand out for losers" mentality going on now. The realization is setting in that we elected a Marxist.

The Dow is down 9% and the S&P down 8.5% since Obama was sworn in.

Somewhere, Stalin is smiling.


Morning 3 Wood -

Did you see the video of the reporter on the Chicago trading floor rallying the troops? Bailing out someone by lowering their interest rate to 2% when they can't even afford 0% is ludicrous.

334 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:28:36am

re: #327 Erik The Red

That's the beauty of beer. You can drink it anytime. Remember it is always after 12 noon somewhere in the world.

Breakfast of champions Eric. What do you prefer anyway?

335 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:28:41am

re: #329 Rustler

And I assume Dhimmi Carter got - what - ten votes?

///

336 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:29:49am

re: #324 Chicago Blonde

Erik is in Durban, South Africa so its after 10Am there at least : P

337 TheMatrix31  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:30:11am

re: #333 summergurl

Morning 3 Wood -

Did you see the video of the reporter on the Chicago trading floor rallying the troops? Bailing out someone by lowering their interest rate to 2% when they can't even afford 0% is ludicrous.

My boss showed me that video at work tonight....it was pretty damn cool!

338 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:31:02am

re: #331 3 wood

Or France.

339 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:31:24am

re: #332 Chicago Blonde

LOL! True, but my stomach can't be nudged out of Central Time!

/Though now I'm thinking about a skirt steak and a couple eggs...

OK, I'll bite. What is a skirt steak?

340 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:32:50am

re: #335 theheat
Never heard his name mentioned the 2 Obama votes almost made me wet myself hes had only been in office what 26 days at the time.

341 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:32:51am

re: #331 3 wood

I'm starting to think that Obama's goal is to turn us into Cuba, but without all the good weather.

Probably, but hurricanes ain't my notion of good weather :.)

So the market is going down down down under the empending sOcialist utopia, oh great.

342 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:34:49am

re: #341 turn

Or the cigars. The last thing they'll take from my cold, dead hands... my menthols. But they'd like to. I'd give those up about as fast as my guns.

Do-gooder assholes.

343 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:34:50am

Jeffersons response to anyone wanting to change the Constitution both Republican and Democrat.

The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.-Thomas Jefferson
344 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:35:56am

re: #336 Rustler

Erik is in Durban, South Africa so its after 10Am there at least : P

14h35 Friday and I leave work a little early most Fridays:) More drinking time

345 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:36:51am

Sorry I'm a big fan of the founding father's so will often go on sprees of quote posts. Today is Jefferson next who knows maybe Ben Franklin.

346 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:37:28am

re: #339 Ford_Prefect

It's great with eggs - it's a little tougher but it's got a nice flavor. (I looked it up and it's a belly cut. I have to admit I don't pay much attention to cuts - I just need to know if it mooed or oinked so I know how to cook it.) Or you could just do eggs with chorizo and some flour tortillas.

/Ooo, I think that's sounding even better.

347 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:37:39am

I think we need to send a ClueBat to each of the Democrats in Washington with the following instructions:

"Please apply liberally to your own head before speaking or attempting to write any legislation."

348 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:38:23am

re: #336 Rustler

Oh well then, carry on Erik, carry on! :)

349 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:38:26am

Beer Is Good

350 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:38:42am

Morning Lizards.

Happy Friday!

351 ThinkRight  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:38:44am

re: #346 Chicago Blonde

It's great with eggs - it's a little tougher but it's got a nice flavor. (I looked it up and it's a belly cut. I have to admit I don't pay much attention to cuts - I just need to know if it mooed or oinked so I know how to cook it.) Or you could just do eggs with chorizo and some flour tortillas.

/Ooo, I think that's sounding even better.


It makes good fajitas also

352 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:39:41am

re: #342 theheat

Or the cigars. The last thing they'll take from my cold, dead hands... my menthols. But they'd like to. I'd give those up about as fast as my guns.

Do-gooder assholes.

Next great O plan, add a tax on tobacco beause the carbon dioxide in the smoke is contributing to gorbal warming. Oh wait, come to think about it maybe you can say the menthol actually cools the planet.

353 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:39:50am

re: #347 Ford_Prefect

I think we need to send a ClueBat to each of the Democrats in Washington general with the following instructions:

"Please apply liberally to your own head before speaking or attempting to write any legislation."

This might solve our problems faster.

354 wakre  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:40:07am

What a person believes has no effect on me until it results in actions. Where I, as a competent, reasonable and charitable man, draw the line is when others' attempt actions ( individually or collectively) that violate my rights to voluntary informed consent and free choice of association. I take umbrage when uninvited "missionaries", whether religious, scientific or governmental, attempt to force their dogma on me . Through the respect for these rights, we have advanced the cause of positive societal interaction from pre-historic times through the Magna Carta days, reconfirmed them in the constitutions of many countries of the world and though under constant attack, it is only the daily individual application of these principles, tempered by reason and charity, that can hold back the ever present inclination to be destructive.

355 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:40:17am

re: #344 Erik The Red
So Durban is only GMT + 1? was thinking it was 2 or 3.

356 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:40:43am

re: #346 Chicago Blonde

I have to say that I have never been a steak and eggs guy. Give me my eggs with some home fries and a big stack of crispy bacon or sausage. Kielbasa is good too.

357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:40:54am

(*Jumps into the middle of the fracas, dukes raised....*)

Hi everybody!

358 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:40:58am

re: #347 Ford_Prefect

I think we need to send a ClueBat to each of the Democrats in Washington with the following instructions:

"Please apply liberally to your own head before speaking or attempting to write any legislation."

Use Mandy's clue by four, you can get four at one time.

359 3 wood  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:40:58am

re: #333 summergurl

Morning 3 Wood -

Did you see the video of the reporter on the Chicago trading floor rallying the troops? Bailing out someone by lowering their interest rate to 2% when they can't even afford 0% is ludicrous.

Yes, and that is a real clear statement of the sentiment on the floor and by most investors I know of.

I paid off my house myself and now I own it. I retired from one career and have started a new career.

Now I guess I have to pay for my neighbor's house as well.

360 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:41:26am

re: #340 Rustler

Part of the problem with Obama coming out of the gate so fast, is he's already struggling before the first turn. With high expectations comes bitter disappointment. He's performing almost precisely as anticipated.

However, and very much like Bill Clinton, I have a feeling he so desperately needs approval, he's going to be one to constantly modify his policies to ingratiate himself with the populace. He'll sink quick on this one (the ill-fated stimulus), then shift into high gear to redeem himself. I don't think he has the backbone to wake up every day with people calling for his head on a platter.

And they will.

361 3 wood  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:41:27am

Got to go to work. Later.

362 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:41:38am

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There goes the Neighborhood.

363 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:42:01am

re: #346 Chicago Blonde

While the Chorizo and tortillas sounds good, you just can't beat sausage gravy with your eggs.

364 TheMatrix31  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:42:12am

re: #361 3 wood

Got to go to work. Later.

Who needs to work in this country anymore?!?!

/

365 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:43:22am

re: #355 Rustler

So Durban is only GMT + 1? was thinking it was 2 or 3.

Here you go. Current Time in South Africa Zone

366 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:43:38am

re: #352 turn

Actually, I read about a .50+ increase in the cigarette tax to fund health care "for the childrens". If we smokers are footing the bill for every GD thing, I don't know why we're so despised.

367 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:43:41am

re: #364 TheMatrix31

Who needs to work in this country anymore?!?!

/


We would all be better off if Congress stopped working, as well as the MSM.

368 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:44:08am

re: #349 Erik The Red

Beer Is Good

Do not drink in excess

Youtube Video
369 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:44:50am

re: #360 theheat
I don't honestly think he will change his policies. I think he is so full of himself and the Ideas of Anti-Americanism he was indoctrinated with both as a child and later as an adult that he won't be able to btray those ideas without betraying himself. Plus there is the Fact that most of his policies were in the open(tho he lied about them at some crucial points to garner votes) that he believes that the outspoken few are outvoicing the quiet majority qwhich voted him in so no change is needed.

370 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:44:50am

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just curious - but are you really a fat bastard that happens to be a vegetarian? I always wondered that, but forget to ask.

371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:45:06am

re: #345 Rustler

Sorry I'm a big fan of the founding father's so will often go on sprees of quote posts. Today is Jefferson next who knows maybe Ben Franklin.

I like Washington's famous quote, "Move your fat arse, Henry."

Washington was an "obeseist".

372 TheMatrix31  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:45:39am

re: #367 soxfan4life

We would all be better off if Congress stopped working, as well as the MSM.

The MSM stopped working a long, long, LONG time ago.

373 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:45:53am

re: #356 Ford_Prefect

Oh, these are all beautiful things too. And ThinkRight, I love good fajitas.

/Looking forward to the day when cluebats are no longer needed, except to tenderize a good steak

374 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:46:14am

re: #368 turn

lol

375 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:46:18am

break break, nothing heard, out.

376 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:46:20am

re: #342 theheat

Or the cigars. The last thing they'll take from my cold, dead hands... my menthols. But they'd like to. I'd give those up about as fast as my guns.

Do-gooder assholes.

Remember to turn in your cigs and bullets the same way: One at a time, and in used condition.

377 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:46:45am

re: #365 Erik The Red

Ahh it is 2 I forgot about damn day light savings time hehe.

378 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:47:01am

re: #369 Rustler

Good points, of course. I don't have any data to back it up, other than a gut feeling. A hunch, if you will. Let's just say, I'd bet a pack of cigarettes on it.

379 eon  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:47:15am

re: #221 Clio

The quoted tirade is apparently against the New Testament line that is translated in the 17th-century King James Version as "the MEEK shall inherit the earth.

What the author seems not to know is that when this translation was made the word "meek" did NOT mean weak or timid. It meant good-breeding and courteous manners. (The French translation uses "debonaire".)

When Chaucer described his Kinight "as to his porte [conduct] as meeke as is a mayde [young lady]" he most surely did not mean that this veteran military hero was weak and timid. He meant that he showed good manners toward all.

The author of the cited passage should update his adjectives before he does battle with them.

Good morning, Lizards.

I might also add that Ellison (Harlan, that is, not the other one) has what I regard as a somewhat cavalier attitude toward dishonest politicians, to wit;

I'm for any politician who has the guts to say, "Listen, folks, if you elect me I'm going to steal from you. I'm going to appoint my friends to high offices, steer contracts to guys who will give me money for doing it, and line my pockets at your expense. But while I'm doing it, I'm also going to be giving you better roads, better schools, better health care, and an overall better quality of life." That guy gets my vote, no BS.

He also talks a lot about people being able to "look out for themselves", but he is a long-time advocate of abolishing the Second Amendment and private firearms ownership. When John Lennon was murdered, he wrote an op-ed for Heavy Metal magazine that basically said that everyone in the U.S. who owned a gun, and everyone who was not involved in campaigning to get guns banned forever, were responsible for Lennon's death. So, he believes you should be able to "defend" yourself, but you have to do it non-violently. Or at least, without using a gun. (Try it sometime, and let me know if it works. Assuming you survive, that is.)

I have, in fact, met Harlan, and talked to him. I will not call him a hypocrite- he most assuredly is not. He honestly believes what he says. But I will say that he often reacts emotionally, and without thinking things through. He is a man largely guided by his passions, both for and against things. While this is useful in his chosen profession (fiction writer- never call him a science fiction writer, he dislikes the term), it is not really an effective way of making decisions in the real world.

I enjoy his writing- I consider him one of the greatest American fantasists ever. And he has a deep understanding of human nature that informs his writing, especially on such subjects as love, and loneliness (things he seems to know much of from personal, and probably painful, experience). But when it comes to things like politics, and how we relate to government and vice versa, he and I are unlikely to ever agree with each other.

/ Just my personal opinion, take it for what it's worth.

Have to run. Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:47:22am

re: #370 theheat

Yes, if it weren't for beer I'd weigh 140 lbs.

381 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:47:28am

re: #376 Pullus Iulius

Damn straight.

382 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:47:32am

re: #371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I already did Washington tho have to spread the Quoting wealth around. //Oh Noes I'm a quote socialist.

383 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:48:00am

re: #372 TheMatrix31

The MSM stopped working a long, long, LONG time ago.


They stopped working for us long ago, but they could help us all by quitting their nonstop Obama love fest. According to them he really does shit rose petals.

384 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:48:17am

re: #366 theheat

Actually, I read about a .50+ increase in the cigarette tax to fund health care "for the childrens". If we smokers are footing the bill for every GD thing, I don't know why we're so despised.

Back when I smoked I ordered tobacco seed over the internet and grew it myself. Ever see a tobacco seed? So small it looks like fly shit, very hard to germinate but when they take off it is amaizing how large the get. Stuff was so bad I couldn't even smoke it. I didn't know how to cure it properly as it turns out.

385 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:49:31am

re: #380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Good one. It's nice to see other vegetarians that enjoy an adult beverage from time to time.

Any particular reason you went veggie, if I might ask?

386 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:50:04am

re: #374 Erik The Red

lol

Who is that guy anyway? We are so screwed, don't like O but the alternative is worse.

387 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:50:45am

re: #384 turn

I had no luck with my own tobacco plants. I did get a rolling machine, though, and have rolled my own filtered menthols.

A sadder looking cigarette you've never seen.

388 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:53:28am

Btw Erik when you come back avoid Oregon like the Plague.

The Oregon state tax on beer is less than a penny a glass. It’s among the lowest in the country, untouched in more than three decades and guarded by powerful interest groups. Never before, it seems, has the climate been so ripe to raise taxes on sin. Democrats command supermajorities in both chambers, which means they can increase taxes without Republican votes.

Two-term Rep. Ben Cannon, D-Portland, is the chief sponsor in the House of a bill that would raise the tax on a 12-ounce beer to 15 cents for drug and alcohol abuse prevention and treatment.

Oregon’s market-small but vocal craft beer makers oppose the bill, arguing that increasing the $2.60 tax on a barrel of beer to nearly $50 would crimp the industry and result in layoffs. Kurt Widmer, one of the brothers behind Widmer Brothers Brewing, says the actual tax paid by drinkers will be much higher than legislators claim, after middlemen slice their share.

“The lie of the 15 cents is that a pint (actually) goes from $4 to $5.50,” he says.

Kulongoski wants to raise the tax on a pack of cigarettes from $1.18 to $1.78, netting about $112 million every two years, most of it for the Oregon Health Plan.

Scott Jantze would be thrilled if somebody - anybody - would price cigarettes so high he wouldn’t buy them. The warehouse forklift driver has smoked for most of his 46 years and he hates it.

“If they were to tax cigarettes really high, that would be the best thing for me to quit,” says Jantze, parked in front of a television at Claudia’s Sports Bar on Hawthorne, crunching on potato chips and drinking from a small pitcher of beer.

But a tax on his beloved Budweiser?

“I got to draw the line on that one.”

389 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:53:51am

BBL

I've been up all night working in the middle of a highway workzone in San Diego. Everything I packed for this trip is totally grimey and I'm washing a load downstairs in the hotel. I need a clean pair of pants because I can't get on the plane back to Sac looking the way I do.

390 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:54:11am

re: #368 turn


I like beer but I am only good for 2 or 3. Fills me up. This is my poison.

391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:54:41am

re: #385 theheat

Have never been a hunter, had a friend who was a vegetarian for reasons of being kind to animals (which was funny, cause the guy was a huge prick to humans). He asked me why I didn't hunt. Told him it was because I could not kill an animal on purpose.

He said, "So, you'll pay someone to do it for you?"

Went vegetarian after about two months of that little idea germinating in my noodle.

It's not a real big deal.

The only reason why I call attention to my vegetarian(ness) with my nic, is everyone I meet who finds out I am a vegetarian, gives me a once over, and thinks I am lying.

392 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:55:29am

re: #373 Chicago Blonde

/Looking forward to the day when cluebats are no longer needed, except to tenderize a good steak

We will always need them. I am a firm believer that we should never trust our government. Our founding fathers didn't trust it and that is why they created ours the way they did. All those checks and balances are there for good reason. Even more important is the fact that we can vote then out when we don't like what they do. In the end we are the ones holding the ClueBat every time we enter the voting booth. Unfortunately some people just don't know how to swing it.

393 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:55:43am

re: #363 soxfan4life

They taste wonderful but it's too rich for me so I eat that very sparingly. Good though, very good.

394 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:57:49am

re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Does eatting only vegetables include congress or mental vegetables don't count :P

395 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:59:18am

Just on Ben Franklin Quote because of FBV's avatar.

He that lives upon hope will die fasting.
Benjamin Franklin

396 summergurl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 4:59:37am

re: #359 3 wood

Yes, and that is a real clear statement of the sentiment on the floor and by most investors I know of.

I paid off my house myself and now I own it. I retired from one career and have started a new career.

Now I guess I have to pay for my neighbor's house as well.


That is the sentiment of all of the people I know----

397 summergurl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:01:28am

re: #364 TheMatrix31

Who needs to work in this country anymore?!?!

/

And now ACORN is calling for civil disobedience if America tries to force you out of your home.

398 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:01:50am

More Ben Franklin to follow during the next Overnight thread discussing the Stimulus if I'm here.

399 Macker  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:01:55am

Good Morning Fellow Lizards. Yes, this is a standard greeting. Unfortunately, I'm still not in standard operating mode....
I've been off work for more than a week, due to an inflamed joint in my lower back, which makes it difficult to sit, stand, and lie down.
Thank God the "Lady E" (who's pictured with me here!) is here with me to help take care of me. She's been driving me around for my doctor's appointments. It's a long story which I'll be glad to share at another time...suffice it to say that she's my HS sweetheart...and we have pledged to each other that we want to spend the rest of our lives together...we have to work out the logistics.

Please pray for me...and for us. I'll keep you posted.

400 TheMatrix31  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:02:23am

re: #397 summergurl

And now ACORN is calling for civil disobedience if America tries to force you out of your home.

Say what?

401 hiney von pewps  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:02:23am

HotAir is officially gone.

Charles, can you tell me what's up with Allahpundit?

Why is he feeding the white supremacists who came out in the "basketbrawl" post with new racialist red meat instead of banning them?

This last comment in the thread may as well serve as the site's epitaph:

Those asking Allah to close comments, due to ‘racist remarks’ etc…, are simply feeling fatigued as they can no longer deny that Liberal policies have put us where we are today. Especially when it comes to the problems within the Black community. ... Nice work HA posters, minus a few Liberals who refuse to be honest with others OR themselves. And kudos to the HA staff for recognizing sincere discourse where it exists and not choosing to see racism where it doesn’t. Classy.

Rugged Individual on February 20, 2009 at 12:12 AM

some examples of "where it doesn't":

[Link: hotair.com...]

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402 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:02:26am

re: #392 Ford_Prefect

Oh, I'll never trust the government, that's why I used the tag. But a girl can dream, can't she?

You are right and I never leave home without my cluebat. *sigh* You know, I keep running into people that think Sarah Palin is the one who said she could see Russia from her house, and not Tina Fey. When I point out it was Tina they stare at me like I'm speaking in tongues. I don't know what bugs me more, that, or the hypocrisy of the woman who wrote the "Mean Girls" screenplay being so vicious to Palin.

403 Macker  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:02:51am

re: #394 Rustler

Does eatting only vegetables include congress or mental vegetables don't count :P

Good Lord...Congress already has a nasty taste!

404 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:02:52am

Back again. Dry cycle takes 48 minutes. They have one of those front loading washing machines here and I've never used them. Man did those grimy clothes turn out sparkling clean. I was thinking on the way back I should round up a couple of crooked Democrats and toss them in there. Hey, it only costs $1.25 a load.

405 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:03:15am

re: #397 summergurl Yep Acorn should have lost all public funding years ago but we can trust this govt to fund the seeds of its own distruction.

406 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:03:32am

re: #387 theheat

I had no luck with my own tobacco plants. I did get a rolling machine, though, and have rolled my own filtered menthols.

A sadder looking cigarette you've never seen.

They are really hard to grow.

407 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:03:54am

re: #399 Macker

Get well soon.

408 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:05:00am

re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I did for pretty much the same reasons. I'm just always curious why other people did/do. Like you, the last thing I need to worry about is wasting away, though I did lose weight simply by eliminating meat from my diet. That was an unexpected bonus.

I think people like us are good for the cause. People see we're healthy and hearty, not withered and pasty, and it changes some people's attitudes.

A kind of funny short story: We bought a good-sized chunk of land for retirement, which happens to be in an area popular for hunting. Last year we made the rounds and met some of the locals, who were concerned maybe they wouldn't be allowed to hunt on our land any more. I piped up with, "No, there isn't going to be any hunting on our land. Not any more." Well, that didn't sit too well with the locals that felt it was their birthright, since the previous owner didn't mind. To which I said, "Don't ever piss off a vegetarian that likes guns. If I see you, I'll probably shoot you."

We aren't all a bunch of pansies...

409 Lincolntf  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:05:54am

Morning all.
Just finished reading the morning paper with the story on how Iran now has enough reactor grade uranium to rapidly ramp up and build a weapon. The sub-head began "Experts shocked..." I had to do a double-take to make sure "shocked" wasn't in Casablanca quotes.
Have the EXPERTS ever had it right on Iran? Ever?

410 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:06:14am

re: #390 Erik The Red

I like beer but I am only good for 2 or 3. Fills me up. This is my poison.

Oh JWR, nice. Turn tries to stick to beer, I like to sip a little brandy along with it at times.

411 summergurl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:06:31am

re: #400 TheMatrix31

Say what?

Michelle Malkin's column today.

412 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:07:00am

re: #400 TheMatrix31
Acorn is asking those getting evicted to not leave and those already evicted to break in and reclaim thier homes.

And on Thursday afternoon, they literally broke the foreclosure padlock right off the front door and then broke into the house, letting Hanks back in for the first time in months.

"We are actually trespassing, and so this is a way of civil disobedience to try to stay into our house," said Beverly. "Legally it's wrong, but homesteading is the only means that she has left to stay into her house. And we feel as though this is the right thing to do at this particular time to save this family."

413 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:08:01am

re: #400 TheMatrix31

Say what?

Yesterday's Overnight Thread. Just search ACORN and you'll find it.

414 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:08:22am

re: #399 Macker

Ouch! Better get that back in shape for the HS sweetheart (if ya know what I mean)

:.)

415 summergurl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:08:23am

re: #409 Lincolntf

Morning all.
Just finished reading the morning paper with the story on how Iran now has enough reactor grade uranium to rapidly ramp up and build a weapon. The sub-head began "Experts shocked..." I had to do a double-take to make sure "shocked" wasn't in Casablanca quotes.
Have the EXPERTS ever had it right on Iran? Ever?

They should have asked George, he knew.

416 republic  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:08:30am

Good morning everyone.

OT,

417 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:10:11am

re: #404 turn

Back again. Dry cycle takes 48 minutes. They have one of those front loading washing machines here and I've never used them. Man did those grimy clothes turn out sparkling clean. I was thinking on the way back I should round up a couple of crooked Democrats and toss them in there. Hey, it only costs $1.25 a load.

If you get Washington involved it will be $1.25 billion a load.

418 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:10:26am

re: #413 MandyManners

Yesterday's Overnight Thread. Just search ACORN and you'll find it.

Oops. I might be wrong about which thread but, this was discussed here yesterday.

419 TheMatrix31  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:10:28am

Thanks for the tips on the ACORN thing. That organization is just, I don't even have the words.

420 republic  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:11:08am

re: #417 Ford_Prefect

If you get Washington involved it will be $1.25 billion a load.

And, also, Washington will mess it up beyond repair.

421 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:11:16am

re: #418 MandyManners I posted a link to an article and paragraph in which Acorn's spokeman admitt it above too in case she didn't want to look.

422 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:11:27am

re: #419 TheMatrix31

Thanks for the tips on the ACORN thing. That organization is just, I don't even have the words.

A bunch of Commie bastards?

423 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:12:05am

re: #421 Rustler

That's what I read here yesterday.

424 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:12:25am

re: #417 Ford_Prefect

If you get Washington involved it will be $1.25 billion a load.

Ha! Did you miss a decimal point there?

425 TheMatrix31  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:12:31am

re: #422 MandyManners

A bunch of Commie bastards?

To put it lightly. It's too late (early?) to go off the rails, lol.

426 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:12:40am

re: #422 MandyManners

Commie bastard anarchists, to be more precise.

427 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:12:56am

re: #422 MandyManners Do they think they can get away with this BS because CBBHO is in office now and cut his teeth with them(despite his protestations that this wasn't the case).

428 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:13:13am

Gotta' go get The Kid's day rolling. bbl

429 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:13:30am

re: #427 Rustler

Do they think they can get away with this BS because CBBHO is in office now and cut his teeth with them(despite his protestations that this wasn't the case).

Yes.

430 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:13:33am

re: #419 TheMatrix31

Thanks for the tips on the ACORN thing. That organization is just, I don't even have the words.

Just about to become way more influential under the one's "stimulus" plan?

431 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:13:35am

re: #412 Rustler

Acorn is asking those getting evicted to not leave and those already evicted to break in and reclaim thier homes.

If this turns ugly can ACORN be nailed for inciting riot?

432 Macker  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:13:58am

re: #419 TheMatrix31

Thanks for the tips on the ACORN thing. That organization is just, I don't even have the words.

Allow me:
ACORN = Another ☭ommunist Organization Right Now

433 republic  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:14:06am

re: #422 MandyManners

A bunch of Commie bastards?

ACORN was given $5 billion in the latest hoodwinking(Porkulus Bill) of America.

I wonder how much more voter fraud can be gained by ACORN with $5 billion?

434 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:15:16am

re: #430 turn
5.2 billion dollars for ACORN and ACORN projects in the Stimulus making them I believe the single largest beneficiary of the package.

435 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:16:18am

re: #431 Ford_Prefect

They should be already for attempting to incite them but they are in bed with the president so the banks will be charged for foreclosing rather than ACORN most likely.

436 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:16:36am

A.C.O.R.N. = A Communist Organization Ruining the Nation

437 TheMatrix31  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:16:36am

Acquiring Currency Only to Radicalize the Nation?

438 republic  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:16:45am

re: #431 Ford_Prefect

If this turns ugly can ACORN be nailed for inciting riot?

It now seems that the legal system doesn't apply to leftist Democrats.

ACORN was just given $5 billion in the "Stimulus Bill", that kind of money can buy all kinds of delays, appeals, and judges.

439 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:16:47am

re: #431 Ford_Prefect

If this turns ugly can ACORN be nailed for inciting riot?

…A reader post at the New York Times says: “I should have lied about my income and refinanced in 2005 for the full ‘value’ of the loan with a low, low teaser rate. Than I should have used the cash for new appliances, vacations, flat screen TVs. Oh and I could have financed all of my son’s college instead of taking out all those loans.”

440 Lincolntf  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:16:56am

re: #422 MandyManners

One of the worst things about Acorn is that they are failure-proof. A more scandal-ridden, blatantly corrupt publicly funded entity does not exist. But since they represent the bottom of the food chain on the Left, and do the dirty work, they (or an organization exactly like them) will always find a way to stay in business. Our elections have not yet been completely ruined but it wouldn't surprise me if it becomes the norm for a Repub. to have to win 2 or 3% more legitimate votes to cancel out Acorn-bred illegitimate votes. Maybe it's already a deciding factor in some races, who knows?

441 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:17:17am

re: #431 Ford_Prefect

If this turns ugly can ACORN be nailed for inciting riot?

Yes, Eric Holder will go after them ... oh wait

442 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:17:56am

re: #408 theheat

Dig.

443 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:18:11am

re: #434 Rustler

5.2 billion dollars for ACORN and ACORN projects in the Stimulus making them I believe the single largest beneficiary of the package.

The single largest, holy shit it's worse than I thought possible.

444 EmeraldLakeEyes  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:18:57am

re: #380 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes, if it weren't for beer I'd weigh 140 lbs.

I need to gain 25 lbs. Should I start drinking? lol

445 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:19:05am

re: #442 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You mean shoot, shovel, and shut up kind of 'dig'?

446 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:19:21am

re: #436 Ford_Prefect

A.C.O.R.N. = A Communist Organization Ruining running the Nation

/but not too far fetched

447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:19:36am

re: #408 theheat

You seem reasonable. I can not abide militant vegetarians.

448 Bumr50  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:20:11am

Obama and Holder are lighting the cannon fuses of class warfare right now. Obama with his new campaign, and Holder reinforcing stereotypes.
The Holder statement was the most personally insulting thing a public figure has ever told me. And I've put up with a lot (PA res. bitter clinger & all)

449 Macker  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:21:25am

re: #436 Ford_Prefect

A.C.O.R.N. = A Communist Organization Ruining the Nation

That works. This would also be acceptable:

A.C.O.R.N. = A Communist Organization Reaming the Nation

/Heheheheheheheheh...

450 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:21:41am

re: #443 turn Think a few states have gotten more if you include road work etc but Acorn is getting about .7% of the overall stimulus.

451 republic  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:22:47am

re: #446 turn

/but not too far fetched

Remember, William Ayers, in a FBI undercover conversation, said that as many as 1/4 of Americans may need to be eliminated because they wouldn't go through the "re-education" camps.

That is a plan larger than Stalins wicked deeds.

William Ayers is basicly ACORN.

452 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:23:01am

re: #427 Rustler

Do they think they can get away with this BS because CBBHO is in office now and cut his teeth with them(despite his protestations that this wasn't the case).

Yes.
And because they believe that home ownership is some sort of absolute right
And because they believe that civil disobedience and anarchy constitute the proper way to get what they want.

453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:23:02am

re: #444 EmeraldLakeEyes

I need to gain 25 lbs. Should I start drinking? lol

If you don't drink? Now would be a good time to start.

Looks like I picked the RIGHT four years to start drinking
Looks like I picked the RIGHT four years to start smoking
Looks like I picked the RIGHT four years to start sniffing glue
Looks like I picked the RIGHT four years to start meth-anphetamines
Looks like I picked the RIGHT four years to start (insert your vice here)

Lloyd Bridges...RIP

454 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:23:11am

re: #443 turn
Like I said it's just a belief on my part don't really want to start dissecting all the other BS to figure it out precisely because 1087 pages of crap makes figuring it out exactly difficult.

455 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:24:11am

re: #449 Macker

A.C.O.R.N. - seems to be turning into Also Charged for On-time Rent of Neighbors

456 republic  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:24:26am

re: #452 reine.de.tout

Yes.
And because they believe that home ownership is some sort of absolute right
And because they believe that civil disobedience and anarchy constitute the proper way to get what they want.

Just ask Barney Fwank.

457 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:25:12am

re: #447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, naturally. Of course not. Nossir. I'm simply protecting our property from armed trespassers... that crawl through locked gates... that ignore signs... No Hunting, No Trespassing.

They have the whole countryside to go blast stuff into oblivion. Just not my corner of it.

458 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:25:40am

re: #452 reine.de.tout Sorry rhetorical question hehe. Been answered a couple times now.

459 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:26:10am

re: #450 Rustler

Think a few states have gotten more if you include road work etc but Acorn is getting about .7% of the overall stimulus.

Wow 5/800 = 0.7%

460 Macker  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:26:13am

re: #453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Didn't he also mention something the shit hitting the fan?

461 TheMatrix31  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:26:50am

I've gone off the deep end.

I just watched the newest "How The World Works" video on YouTube (a guy who records a 4 minute clip every few days highlighting the ridiculousness going on in the world, covers topics we cover here, etc) and I was just laughing the whole time. Not just going "heh" sometimes....direct, loud laughter. All the while just shaking my head.

What the HELL is going on here?!

462 Erik The Red  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:27:15am

Later Lizards off to the pub and then home. Some great Rugby on tonight so If I don't have to invoke the Iron Fist Rule I will see you all later.

Iron Fist Rule for our new Lizards. I almost broke this last weekend.

463 Crux Australis  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:28:41am

ACORN

Another
Community
Organisation
Recruiting
Nutjobs

464 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:28:42am

re: #451 republic

Remember, William Ayers, in a FBI undercover conversation, said that as many as 1/4 of Americans may need to be eliminated because they wouldn't go through the "re-education" camps.

That is a plan larger than Stalins wicked deeds.

William Ayers is basicly ACORN.

Thanks, I really didn't know that but it doesn't surprise me.

465 Chicago Blonde  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:31:34am

BBL Lizards, errands calling me.

466 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:32:54am

re: #452 reine.de.tout

And because, as far as I know, the banks and credit unions have not put together comprehensive statistics to show exactly how much they have lost from the disarray and disrepair these squatters have left homes in. In some cases, they're practically giving these homes away in foreclosure auctions.

I've seen many of these re-appropriated homes after the owners have squatted, and it's honestly hard to muster any sympathy for them.

The short sale industry is loving the shit out of this. They know the lenders are over a barrel, trying to stop the bleeding. There are entire businesses specializing in short sales and have employees specifically designated to negotiate with lenders. And some of these short sale gurus are so sleazy, they make your skin crawl.

Yeah, this is the crap ACORN is aiding and abetting.

467 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:33:21am

re: #462 Erik The Red

Ah hell, I call the the Iron Frist Law all the time :.)

Have a great weekend Erik the Jonny Walker Red ...

468 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:33:55am

Peres tasks Netanyahu with forming new government

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Heads are exploding in Washington and especially Foggy Bottom.

469 EmeraldLakeEyes  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:34:42am

re: #453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If you don't drink? Now would be a good time to start.

Looks like I picked the RIGHT four years to start drinking
Looks like I picked the RIGHT four years to start smoking
Looks like I picked the RIGHT four years to start sniffing glue
Looks like I picked the RIGHT four years to start meth-anphetamines
Looks like I picked the RIGHT four years to start (insert your vice here)

Lloyd Bridges...RIP


Well, considering the next 4 years. I will start drinking, will be unable to quit smoking but forget the rest.

470 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:35:37am

NATO leader: Iran could play role in Afghanistan

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

In other news it was announced that Jeffrey Dahmer will be opening a new gourmet restaurant.

471 avanti  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:38:57am

re: #433 republic

ACORN was given $5 billion in the latest hoodwinking(Porkulus Bill) of America.

I wonder how much more voter fraud can be gained by ACORN with $5 billion?

No matter how many times you repeat the 5 billion dollar Acorn figure, it's still total BS. Acorn is not even mentioned in the bill. Any money they may get by winning bids will be a tiny fraction of that and posted on the web site if and when they get any funding. Here's a fact check

472 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:40:27am

For whom the bell tolls.

473 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:40:56am

re: #471 avanti

No matter how many times you repeat the 5 billion dollar Acorn figure, it's still total BS. Acorn is not even mentioned in the bill. Any money they may get by winning bids will be a tiny fraction of that and posted on the web site if and when they get any funding. Here's a fact check

Thanks avanti, that made my day.

474 aussiemagpie  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:41:42am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone} on a very mild late summer's night in Sydney - and it's Saturday :-)

Cheers....

475 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:41:55am

BBL - Dryer check

476 Wishing  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:43:47am

Heads exploding in Tel Aviv as well I bet.

477 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:43:56am

re: #468 Nevergiveup

Peres tasks Netanyahu with forming new government

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Heads are exploding in Washington and especially Foggy Bottom.

Good, I say!

478 Bumr50  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:44:13am

re: #475 turn

Just got back from the washers. The price jumped from .75 to 1.25. Inflation.
The worst part was that it's 17 degrees out, I walk, and only took three quarters with me.

479 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:44:33am

re: #471 avanti


And we all know that factcheck is beyond reproach

480 Irish Rose  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:45:23am

Good morning, lizards :).

481 Wishing  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:45:30am

re: #477 Taqyia2Me

Good, I say!

Better than Tzippi for sure!

482 Lincolntf  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:45:36am

Totally OT- Anyone see Johnny Damon's response about what ARod could have done that would have been worse than steroids? ..."Murder someone..."

JD always cracks me up.

483 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:46:25am

re: #478 Bumr50

The extra .50 is going to help fund universal health care. That's feelgood kind of laundry.

484 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:47:13am

Here is an interesting topic of conversation:

a list of the 25 best conservative movies of the last 25 years.

Can't say that I have seen them all, but there are some good movies on the list. Some may surprise you as choices for this list.

485 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:48:40am

re: #468 Nevergiveup

Peres tasks Netanyahu with forming new government

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Heads are exploding in Washington and especially Foggy Bottom.

I'm not sure that anyone left in DC or at Foggy Bottom is quite sharp enough to figure-out the Israeli's are giving DC the one-finger salute - which they should. Speaking of which, it sure looks like the market's going to hail our Comrade-of-Grief with their own salute - DJI fut's down 121.

486 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:51:05am

re: #485 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

I'm not sure that anyone left in DC or at Foggy Bottom is quite sharp enough to figure-out the Israeli's are giving DC the one-finger salute - which they should. Speaking of which, it sure looks like the market's going to hail our Comrade-of-Grief with their own salute - DJI fut's down 121.

Yeah, if they're not careful, this last 8 years of piss talking the economy might cause economic problems.
/

487 Wishing  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:51:32am

re: #485 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

I'm not sure that anyone left in DC or at Foggy Bottom is quite sharp enough to figure-out the Israeli's are giving DC the one-finger salute - which they should. Speaking of which, it sure looks like the market's going to hail our Comrade-of-Grief with their own salute - DJI fut's down 121.

Do you think there is any chance that they won't let him back across the border?

488 Irish Rose  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:51:56am

Last night I went perusing on our local Craigslist, to see if I could pick up a few gigs (I'm a professional musician and vocalist). I have a very perverted sense of humor, so I sometimes check out the freakshow in the adult gig section for shits and giggles.

I have a serious question this morning, for the men on this thread: what's up with this guy?

I love to go hot tubbing and looking for a girl to go hot tubbing with, just sit back, relax, maybe have a relaxing conversation. Please don't respond if your older than 28, or have bigger than a B cup because they'll just take up too much space in the hot tub..

I mean seriously, wtf?

489 Bumr50  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:52:32am

Apologies if it's been linked to already but there's a good piece at AT by Ed Lasky on Obama, Samantha Power, the ICG, and possibly lowering sanctions against Iran.

490 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:53:00am

re: #487 Wishing

Do you think there is any chance that they won't let him back across the border?

Maybe he doesn't know the password? What's the password?

492 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:54:02am

re: #478 Bumr50

Just got back from the washers. The price jumped from .75 to 1.25. Inflation.
The worst part was that it's 17 degrees out, I walk, and only took three quarters with me.

Same price here, only a buck to dry .. go figure. The hotel I'm at doesn't have a laundry room so they send me to the hotel next door. I ask the front desk here for $5 in quarters and the desk guy told me it's against their rules. So I go the the laundry next door and the change machine is out of order so I do to that front desk. The guy has one quarter! He tells me to go back to my hotel and ask, I say f^&% that and walk over the Denny's across the street. It's like 4:00 AM and the only people in the place are real unsavory looking characters (hey I should talk - I'm grimy as hell) At any rate I stand waiting for like 10 minutes to get noticed by this big fat waitress who I just know is ignoring me. Finally she asks me can I help you and I do get change then back across the street to start the laundry. Man this had been like a frigging adventure just to wash a load of clothes. Didn't freeze though. (heh, Charles has figging in the spell check but not Obama)

493 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:54:50am

re: #479 rightside

And we all know that factcheck is beyond reproach

Well they are funded by Annenburg, so I wouldn't expect them to go too hard on things making the One look bad. Unfortunately for us, we will pay the price and see his record trump his rhetoric. Home ownership now a right, gun ownership soon no longer.

494 Lincolntf  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:55:56am

re: #479 rightside

There's something rather lazy (and self-nullifying) about linking to a site called "FactCheck" to lend authority to one's position when the site is such a joke. Did you read the explanation? All spin and snark. Anyone using such a transparently partisan device as a source of hard information is deliberately misleading themself.
Even by FC's standard, by the way, a billion bucks (minimum, these programs ALWAYS grow) is going for the CDBG trough. Also, pretending that because ACORN has yet to "apply for" certain funding sources in the past they won't in the future is specious. The reality of Acorn and the Dems being joined at the hip is that Acorn WILL grow and WILL get more and more funding into the forseeable future. It was the goal of Obama during his paltry Senate career and was a major talking point when he mesmerized the Henriettas of the world last summer.
Billions will be frittered away on useless, even harmful, programs and Acorn will consider it a total victory. Bet on it.

495 turn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:56:28am

re: #488 Irish Rose

Obviously this guy believe in the old adage "anything more than a mouthful is wasted"

/oh shit you did post that turn

496 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:57:27am

re: #487 Wishing

Do you think there is any chance that they won't let him back across the border?

The mood these days, Obummer might just decide that Canada looks like a great place to hold Royal Court.

497 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:58:50am

re: #488 Irish Rose

ICK! It's no wonder he has to beg on CL. My guess is this guy spends a lot of nights alone in a hot tub. A victim of his own preconditions.

498 Wishing  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:58:59am

re: #494 Lincolntf

And, I might add, if we don't, as a nation, deal with ACORN and their ilk, there is no such thing as *one man, one vote*.
If voter laws are not changed in this nation, I will never bother to cast a vote again.

499 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 5:59:46am

re: #494 Lincolntf

Well said. Upding for you.

500 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:00:19am

re: #488 Irish Rose


I'd have said smaller...

501 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:03:07am

re: #488 Irish Rose

Last night I went perusing on our local Craigslist, to see if I could pick up a few gigs (I'm a professional musician and vocalist). I have a very perverted sense of humor, so I sometimes check out the freakshow in the adult gig section for shits and giggles.

I have a serious question this morning, for the men on this thread: what's up with this guy?


I mean seriously, wtf?


Good Morning Lizards!
Hi Irish.. The trick is to have a 6 person hot-tub..Then Cup size need not be considered.. i guess..LOL

502 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:03:08am

re: #488 Irish Rose

I'm not sure I see the issue. If it is an adult meeting site then I would imagine a lot of people request specific physical traits (Height, weight, hair color, etc.). This guy just prefers smaller breasts. Don't see the issue.

503 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:03:47am

re: #501 HoosierHoops

Morning HH. How are you today?

504 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:04:50am

re: #489 Bumr50

Apologies if it's been linked to already but there's a good piece at AT by Ed Lasky on Obama, Samantha Power, the ICG, and possibly lowering sanctions against Iran.

Of course he'll drop Iran's sanction's; especially if he's convinced that the supply route through Iran will save his 'good war' and he can capture Osama bin Dead - but do pay note to the silence on the part of certain generals these days.

505 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:08:12am

re: #503 Ford_Prefect

Morning HH. How are you today?

It's Friday! woo-hoo! I'm doing great Ford..
How are you doing?

506 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:08:42am

Last update - 11:26 20/02/2009

French FM: No reason to link Shalit deal with Gaza crossings

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

I'm sorry, but who the fuck are you again?

507 avanti  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:09:39am

re: #493 soxfan4life

Well they are funded by Annenburg, so I wouldn't expect them to go too hard on things making the One look bad. Unfortunately for us, we will pay the price and see his record trump his rhetoric. Home ownership now a right, gun ownership soon no longer.

Yes, but because the foundation was stated by a Reagan conservative and points out errors on both the right and left, it is often quoted as a impartial fact checked. I've seen the Congressmen on both sides quote them.
They did just point out the fact that ACORN is not in the bill, and that it "may" get millions, but not millions.

508 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:09:43am

My philosophy of life is that the meek shall inherit nothing but debasement another's fortune, that there is security in personal strength big daddy government; that you can can't fight City Hall Barney Frank and win; that any action is better than no action, even if it’s the wrong action; that you never reach glory or self-fulfillment unless you’re willing to risk everything demand a government handout , dare anything nothing , put yourself dead on the line every time well, mostly never; and that once one becomes strong or rich or potent or powerful it is the responsibility of the strong government to help the weak become strong tear down the strong and expect that action to help the weak.

— Updated Pelosi/Reid/Obama version

509 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:10:44am

Good morning y'all - from a freezing (25 degrees, going up to 48 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

510 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:11:41am

re: #506 Nevergiveup

Does anyone know for sure that Shalit is still among the living? Is there any proof, photos, video - anything?

511 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:11:57am

Mornin' all. Nothing exciting to add, oh well.
However the Israelis should tell the savages that the border stays closed until Shalit and isn't there one other trooper kidnapped? Are released.

512 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:12:37am

re: #498 Wishing

And, I might add, if we don't, as a nation, deal with ACORN and their ilk, there is no such thing as *one man, one vote*.
If voter laws are not changed in this nation, I will never bother to cast a vote again.

In various locations around the country our founding fathers are spinning in their graves. The ability to be able to vote for our leaders was one of the principles they held dear. While they never dreamed of the career politicians we have today, they would still hold the right to vote sacred.Don't let the communist liberal bastards wear you down.

513 JacksonTn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:13:05am

re: #507 avanti

Yes, but because the foundation was stated by a Reagan conservative and points out errors on both the right and left, it is often quoted as a impartial fact checked. I've seen the Congressmen on both sides quote them.
They did just point out the fact that ACORN is not in the bill, and that it "may" get millions, but not millions.

ACORN should not get one cent of federal money ...and it should be investigated down to its underwear ...they are a corrupt organization ...you keep making excuses for them ...VOTER FRAUD ...did you forget about all the crap they pulled during both the primary and the general? ...They have a big part in the whole housing crisis ...and they are urging their members RIGHT NOW to protest ...

514 Irish Rose  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:13:27am

re: #502 Ford_Prefect

Maybe the guy just really likes his hot tub, a lot.

515 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:13:51am

re: #501 HoosierHoops

re: #509 realwest

re: #511 pingjockey


Morning HH, RW and (one)Ping!

516 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:14:08am

re: #510 theheat

Does anyone know for sure that Shalit is still among the living? Is there any proof, photos, video - anything?

Not that I know of for a while now

517 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:14:09am

re: #511 pingjockey
Good morning ping! Hope you're doing well today - and as far as I recall, Shalit is the only individual that the babarians are holding; whether or not he's still alive is a matter of pure conjecture on our point at this time.

518 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:14:56am

re: #515 rightside
Back atcha!

519 seekeroftruth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:15:10am

re: #507 avanti

According to the House minority leader - ACORN IS getting billions.

and $2 billion for a fund available to the scandal-plagued Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) –
520 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:15:37am

re: #514 Irish Rose


I've never perused any of those types of ads, but I have to imagine there are lots of freaks there?

521 avanti  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:17:36am

re: #491 seekeroftruth

For starters, the bill is loaded with unfocused Washington spending – like money for plug-in cars, funding for education on sexually-transmitted diseases, and $2 billion for a fund available to the scandal-plagued Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) – and leaves behind critical tax relief for middle-class families and small businesses.

OK, sorry I brought it up. If you want to waste your time chasing exaggerated claims about ACORN, that's fine, but there may be bigger fish to fry, like getting your ducks in a row for 2010 Of course, you could just blame ACORN and the MSN if you lose again.
I knew I would be down dinged for linking to any contrary position, but at least I won't be banned like I was on a leftie site and maybe someone will do there own fact checking.
See you guys on Saturday, off to the casino again.

522 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:17:45am

re: #517 realwest
We be doing okay here. I thought the goblins had kidnapped 2 soldiers? Did one get returned in exchange for a bunch of locked up thugs? I don't remember. How hard line can Netanyahu be? Right now if I'm the Israelis, I'd tell the world to go piss up a rope and do what is necessary to protect my people.

523 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:17:55am

re: #515 rightside

re: #509 realwest

re: #511 pingjockey

Morning HH, RW and (one)Ping!

Good morning to you rightside and to you Hoops! Just said Hi to Ping! Hope you are all doing well this frigid morning.

524 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:18:25am

re: #515 rightside

re: #509 realwest

re: #511 pingjockey


Morning HH, RW and (one)Ping!

Good Morning Rightside!
" one ping mr. Visisilli..One ping only"

525 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:18:30am

The dawn breaks upon another day. The Towercam, showing the San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.

"Paradise is all around us and we do not understand."

— Thomas Merton, the guy in the avatar.

Good Morning All.

526 seekeroftruth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:18:50am

re: #521 avanti

Maybe you should stop wasting your time here promoting something that has been debunked for you multiple times.

527 Irish Rose  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:18:51am

re: #519 seekeroftruth

According to the House minority leader - ACORN IS getting billions.

Because this bill is not about "stimulating the economy", it's about generating more votes for the Donks so that they can stay in power indefinitely.

528 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:19:14am

re: #509 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a freezing (25 degrees, going up to 48 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

Good Morning RW! It's Friday!
Hope today finds you well...How is the eye?

529 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:20:10am

Good Friday morning all.

530 seekeroftruth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:20:16am

re: #527 Irish Rose

Because this bill is not about "stimulating the economy", it's about generating more votes for the Donks so that they can stay in power indefinitely.

Exactly.

531 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:20:49am

re: #521 avanti
Are you quite mad?

532 BIGDUKE 6  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:21:03am

re: #513 JacksonTn

ACORN should not get one cent of federal money ...and it should be investigated down to its underwear ...they are a corrupt organization ...you keep making excuses for them ...VOTER FRAUD ...did you forget about all the crap they pulled during both the primary and the general? ...They have a big part in the whole housing crisis ...and they are urging their members RIGHT NOW to protest ...

In NYC ACORN is actively stopping evictions due to foreclosures. They tell the defaulted homeowner to squat in the foreclosed property and refuse to leave. They pre arrange with the media to be there when the eviction is attempted.

533 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:21:25am

re: #525 Ojoe

The dawn breaks upon another day. The Towercam, showing the San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.

"Paradise is all around us and we do not understand."

— Thomas Merton, the guy in the avatar.

Good Morning All.

Good morning Ojoe. Looks like the snow is melting, and it's always good to hear a quote from Merton.

534 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:21:57am

re: #522 pingjockey
Yep - with or without US backing, Israel has to do what's right for Israel. Period. And, iirc, Israel's defense systems and technology produce enough of everything Israel needs (except maybe for long range, in-flight tanker aircraft) so that the US can't blackmail them by saying "don't do that or we won't give you x,y, or z.
I do seem to recall someone else being taken prisoner with Shalit, but also seem to recall that his dead body was turned over to Israel some time ago.

535 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:22:28am

re: #531 pingjockey

Are you quite mad?

That's a rhetorical question, right?

536 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:22:50am

Remember the LGF prayer.

537 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:22:51am

Happy Birthday, John Geils!

Youtube Video
538 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:22:55am

re: #532 BIGDUKE 6

In NYC ACORN is actively stopping evictions due to foreclosures. They tell the defaulted homeowner to squat in the foreclosed property and refuse to leave. They pre arrange with the media to be there when the eviction is attempted.

Pelosi/Reid/Obama Stimulus just provided 2 Billion to Acorn.

539 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:22:59am

Good morning citizens. Really interesting article in the Chicago Tribune today, about the University of Chicago Medical Center. That is where Michelle Obama held a position.
It is a tax exempt facility that has an agressive program to divert many ER walk ins to other hospitals. They are being criticised for dumping.
The Tribune now says that the program is to get higher revenue planned hospitalisations & that the First Lady was 'Involved" during her employment.
A couple of years ago, before the Tribune fell in love with the Obama's, they reported that Michelle Obama '"Headed" the program to divert "Indigent" patients.

540 JacksonTn  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:23:31am

re: #532 BIGDUKE 6

In NYC ACORN is actively stopping evictions due to foreclosures. They tell the defaulted homeowner to squat in the foreclosed property and refuse to leave. They pre arrange with the media to be there when the eviction is attempted.

Yes ...I saw that ...they were schooled by their top instructor ...Alinsky Pupil ...now our President ....OBAMALINSKY ...

541 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:23:44am

re: #534 realwest
Ah. I knew there were two. To bad the IAF doesn't have tanker aircraft.
That'd make 'ol short shit in Tehran think.(maybe).

542 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:23:58am

re: #533 Ward Cleaver

Good morning. The snow is for sure melting at the towercam location (posted weather at bottom of image says 41 F) but on Mt. San Antonio in the distance, at 10,080 feet, it will stay a while.

BBL; work ...

543 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:24:19am

re: #537 MandyManners

Happy Birthday, John Geils!

Youtube Video


Good Morning Mandy..Hope today finds you well and in good spirits..

544 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:24:26am

re: #523 realwest

Doing great, wish I could say the same about my 401K though.

Mr. president, if you are serious about stimulating the economy, personally pay off my mortgage.

545 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:24:30am

re: #535 Ward Cleaver
Yeppers. Acorn is following the Alinsky playbook.

546 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:24:56am

re: #505 HoosierHoops

I am well, thanks.

I stepped away for a few moments and a whole bunch of you started posting so I will just say a general "Good Morning" so as not to leave anyone out.

I am here at work trying hard not to get some work done, so I may be in and out. I have to say that if I were in position to hire people I would not hire any of you. You spend way to much time here, and since I do to, nothing would ever get done.

547 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:25:09am

re: #525 Ojoe

Awesome view. Keep the snow though!

548 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:25:13am

re: #539 opnion

Good morning citizens. Really interesting article in the Chicago Tribune today, about the University of Chicago Medical Center. That is where Michelle Obama held a position.
It is a tax exempt facility that has an agressive program to divert many ER walk ins to other hospitals. They are being criticised for dumping.
The Tribune now says that the program is to get higher revenue planned hospitalisations & that the First Lady was 'Involved" during her employment.
A couple of years ago, before the Tribune fell in love with the Obama's, they reported that Michelle Obama '"Headed" the program to divert "Indigent" patients.

Michelle received a $$$200,000+ pay raise when she was handed that plum job right after Obama won his Illinois senate seat.

549 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:25:33am

re: #528 HoosierHoops
Hi Hoops! I assume "it's Friday!" means you're doing well! To me, weekends have pretty much lost any special meaning since I'm retired and every day is Saturday for me! LOL.
Eye is doing ok, had a slight scare about the cancer last night but that's about it from here.

550 avanti  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:25:37am

re: #519 seekeroftruth

According to the House minority leader - ACORN IS getting billions.

The twisting of the words "2 billion available" Translation, a few million of that "available" 2 billion could be awarded to Acorn if they applied and won.. They did get about a half million a year in the past years from that same funding. You could say that billions will be available to Bill Ayers too, if he got a grant for a tiny percentage for Chicago schools.
Again, ACORN is not in the bill, no money is ear marked for them, and you'll be able to follow the money spent on the web site.

551 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:25:52am

Happy Birthday, Hans Gruber!

Youtube Video
552 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:26:16am

re: #529 Ward Cleaver
Hi Ward! How are you doing today?

553 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:27:04am

re: #507 avanti

Yes, but because the foundation was stated by a Reagan conservative and points out errors on both the right and left, it is often quoted as a impartial fact checked. I've seen the Congressmen on both sides quote them.
They did just point out the fact that ACORN is not in the bill, and that it "may" get millions, but not millions.


I think the fact that members from both sides in the debate show what a sorry state politics in this country have become. I can find facts myself, I want to base my vote on someones beliefs and character, as that will show how their performance will be. Factcheck.org and snopes have people who look for the "facts" so they will contain a certain amount of bias. I still say we will pay the price for the MSM, the majority of voters, and outfits like these that never investigated character or past performance only what they considered facts worthy of their effort. A quick look at Obama's voting record, public speeches, and past associates makes me wonder how anyone could think he would be a centrist at all like alot of his supporters tell you.

554 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:27:17am

re: #543 HoosierHoops

Good morning to you, too, Hoops! I'm about ready to shove a hot poker up my nose if that will resolve my sinus issues. I'm very ready for Spring.

555 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:27:19am

re: #529 Ward Cleaver


Likewise.

556 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:27:25am

re: #544 rightside
With all of the non-existant cash the 'one' is throwing around, they could've given every tax payer 10k, would've cost less and stimulated the economy for real. Credit cards paid down, home improvements, etc...

557 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:27:49am

re: #539 opnion

...
A couple of years ago, before the Tribune fell in love with the Obama's, they reported that Michelle Obama '"Headed" the program to divert "Indigent" patients.

I'm sorta feel sorry for Balgojevich. Every Chicago politician is just as corrupt. He just got sloppy and was caught.

558 seekeroftruth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:27:56am

re: #550 avanti

The twisting of the words "2 billion available" Translation, a few million of that "available" 2 billion could be awarded to Acorn if they applied and won.. They did get about a half million a year in the past years from that same funding. You could say that billions will be available to Bill Ayers too, if he got a grant for a tiny percentage for Chicago schools.
Again, ACORN is not in the bill, no money is ear marked for them, and you'll be able to follow the money spent on the web site.

I am more willing to believe John Boehner, who has read the bill, than you.

559 midwestgak  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:28:35am

Good Morning Lizards. Chicago is my kind of town./

Red Light Timers

Chicago motorists routinely slam on the brakes to avoid getting nailed by red-light cameras. Some have caused rear-end collisions while avoiding the dreaded $100 ticket.

560 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:28:51am

re: #546 Ford_Prefect

I am well, thanks.

I stepped away for a few moments and a whole bunch of you started posting so I will just say a general "Good Morning" so as not to leave anyone out.

I am here at work trying hard not to get some work done, so I may be in and out. I have to say that if I were in position to hire people I would not hire any of you. You spend way to much time here, and since I do to, nothing would ever get done.

As long as the multiple monitors at my cube show the Global G-WAN is Ok.. I Post to my heart's delight..

561 Lincolntf  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:29:15am

re: #550 avanti

Did you listen to a word Obama said during his campaign? He WANTS to funnel massive amounts of cash to Acorn (and it's funding sources/subsidiaries/co-conspirators). The Stimulus includes BILLIONS of dollars that will go to Acorn.
Facts, Avanti.

562 Irish Rose  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:29:17am

re: #539 opnion

If that's true, then fuck her.
May all of the hardship that she caused to the poor and sick, come back to her. Tenfold.

563 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:29:33am

re: #541 pingjockey
Well since I genuinely believe that dinnerjacket is a lunatic, I don't think that'd help in that departement. I DO think however, that Iran would be YEARS further away from developing it's own nuke bomb if the IAF had those tankers.

564 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:29:42am

re: #551 MandyManners

On of my favorite phrases of all time.

565 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:29:45am

re: #548 FrogMarch

Michelle received a $$$200,000+ pay raise when she was handed that plum job right after Obama won his Illinois senate seat.

Yes she did, & not one major media organ in Chicago refers to it as buying influence.
The dirty little secret is that the program at the UofC Med Ctr is in place to turn away indigent Blacks from the surrounding Community.
The Obama's might be bitter racists, but they are situational when it comes to hustling a buck.

566 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:30:03am

re: #556 pingjockey

No shit, if he pays off my mortgage, I could do an assload of stimulating!

567 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:30:08am

re: #550 avanti

Why the fuck should they get any of my tax money at all?

568 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:31:08am

re: #554 MandyManners

Good morning to you, too, Hoops! I'm about ready to shove a hot poker up my nose if that will resolve my sinus issues. I'm very ready for Spring.

That's funny..The girl in the cube next to me and I were just discussing Springtime and our plans.. Mama and I were thinking of a week in Nashville just listening to music and checking it out.

569 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:31:13am

re: #546 Ford_Prefect
Good mroning Ford! You said " You spend way to much time here, and since I do to, nothing would ever get done." as if that was a bad thing!
:)

570 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:31:23am

re: #564 Honorary Yooper

On of my favorite phrases of all time.

Same here.

571 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:31:38am

re: #552 realwest

Hi Ward! How are you doing today?

Doing fine. The wife and a friend are painting the kitchen today, so we were up late doing prep work. Cleaning, taping, fixing nail pops in the drywall, moving appliances, etc. Fun.

What was you cancer scare? June has scares every once in a while, from reddish areas on the skin, to strange pains, etc. Thankfully, everything has checked out okay. She has a scheduled PET scan next month (thank you God, and thank you insurance co.), and next month is the four year anniversary of her diagnosis.

572 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:31:48am

re: #569 realwest
PIMF morning. Gonna get some more coffee, bbiab.

573 godfrey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:31:51am

Here's the text of the spending bill (PDF). 613 pp. Have fun.

574 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:32:19am

re: #566 rightside
But since we played by the rules, met all the quals for home buying and we make over 50k a year, we are RICH and deserve whatever happens to us for oppressing the Acorn folks for years.///

575 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:32:19am

re: #568 HoosierHoops

That's funny..The girl in the cube next to me and I were just discussing Springtime and our plans.. Mama and I were thinking of a week in Nashville just listening to music and checking it out.

It is a beautiful city.

576 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:32:27am

re: #557 FrogMarch

I'm sorta feel sorry for Balgojevich. Every Chicago politician is just as corrupt. He just got sloppy and was caught.

Blago went outside the Machine & freelanced his corruption.
Dat ain't da way ta do it, if youse get my drift.

577 MandyManners  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:32:36am

Have a good day, Lizards!

578 aussiemagpie  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:32:52am

G'day again

Goodness me, something else is BAD for people!

Facebook, MySpace and other social networking sites could cause serious health problems....

SOCIAL networking sites such as Facebook and MySpace could raise your risk of serious health problems by reducing personal contact, a doctor says.

Increased isolation could alter the way genes work and upset immune responses, hormone levels and the function of arteries, said psychologist Dr Aric Sigman.

It could also impair mental performance and increase the risk of serious illnesses such as cancer, strokes, heart disease and dementia, Dr Sigman wrote in Biologist, the journal of the Institute of Biology.

Interacting "in person" had effects on the body not seen when writing emails, Dr Sigman said.

"There seems to be a difference between 'real presence' and the virtual variety," he added.

Etc etc......

Everyone, get off this site right now! Your health is at stake!

:-)

579 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:32:54am

re: #559 midwestgak

Good Morning Lizards. Chicago is my kind of town./

Red Light Timers

Chicago motorists routinely slam on the brakes to avoid getting nailed by red-light cameras. Some have caused rear-end collisions while avoiding the dreaded $100 ticket.

Just take down the damn cameras.

580 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:32:56am

Good morning everybody. I must say we Canadians are still all a-tingle from Obama's visit yesterday.

re: #541 pingjockey

Israel has 3 tankers: Lockheed C-130 Hercules craft, designated KC-130H "Qarnaf". Given that Bibi is now PM, the Iranian's have got to be worried.

582 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:33:05am

Good morning all!

How is everyone this bright late Februrary morning?

The Zero regime has been in power over us for a month now. Thank goodness it has been one of steady competent hands pointing the way to a bright future of success.

///

583 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:33:09am

Outrage of the day, IMHO:

Surveillance cams help fight crime, city says

Mayor Daley has argued that security and terrorism won’t be an issue if his Olympic dreams come true because, by 2016, there will be a surveillance camera on every street corner in Chicago.

Welcome to Fascist Chicago.

584 godfrey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:33:34am

re: #573 godfrey

Woops, sorry.

585 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:33:36am

re: #569 realwest

Good mroning Ford! You said " You spend way to much time here, and since I do to, nothing would ever get done." as if that was a bad thing!
:)

No, it would only be a bad thing if I was paying your salary. :-)

586 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:33:37am

re: #578 aussiemagpie

G'day again

Goodness me, something else is BAD for people!

Facebook, MySpace and other social networking sites could cause serious health problems....

Etc etc......

Everyone, get off this site right now! Your health is at stake!

:-)

Puh-leeze.

587 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:33:57am

re: #583 Honorary Yooper

Outrage of the day, IMHO:

Surveillance cams help fight crime, city says

Welcome to Fascist Chicago.

Big Chucky is watching.

588 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:34:29am

re: #567 pingjockey

Why the fuck should they get any of my tax money at all?

Come on down! you just won the all expense paid trip to Hawaii for two.
Acorn is a criminal organization inspired by Alinsky, under investigation in several ststes. These are Barry's peeps.

589 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:35:29am

re: #578 aussiemagpie

Morning Mag. I don't know if it still does or not, but the Mini website used to have a popup that after you had been on the sight a while would tell you to log off and go get some fresh air.

590 Lincolntf  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:35:29am

re: #565 opnion

Yet another connection to scandal that would have torpedoed any Republican First Lady will go unnoticed by the moonbats/MSM. If this had been Laura Bush, a daily group of hundreds of "patient-care" advocates would be protesting in front of the White House. The editorials would be scathing and the NPR phone wires would be burning up with righteous indignation.

591 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:35:42am

re: #580 Kenneth

Good morning everybody. I must say we Canadians are still all a-tingle from Obama's visit yesterday.

Israel has 3 tankers: Lockheed C-130 Hercules craft, designated KC-130H "Qarnaf". Given that Bibi is now PM, the Iranian's have got to be worried.

KC-130s are okay for refueling helicopters, but they should really have 135s or something similar for refueling fighters.

592 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:36:11am

re: #548 FrogMarch
Pay raise? She started receiving a $350,000 a year paycheck then. Like more than 50% increase in pay.

593 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:36:22am

re: #580 Kenneth

Good morning everybody. I must say we Canadians are still all a-tingle from Obama's visit yesterday.

Israel has 3 tankers: Lockheed C-130 Hercules craft, designated KC-130H "Qarnaf". Given that Bibi is now PM, the Iranian's have got to be worried.

I doubt it. For a whole host of reasons. Bibi is more bluster than substance for one. And Israel's capabilities are still small compared to the USA and the Job of taking out Iran's facilities is major.

594 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:36:23am

re: #578 aussiemagpie


Whew, don't go to any, so I am safe!

595 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:37:52am

Secondary Outrage of the Day:

(Was going to be my first until I saw King Richard II's camera plan.)

Transportation secretary says taxing how much we drive may replace gasoline tax

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood says he wants to consider taxing motorists based on how many miles they drive rather than how much gasoline they burn — an idea that has angered drivers in some states where it has been proposed.

Gasoline taxes that for nearly half a century have paid for the federal share of highway and bridge construction can no longer be counted on to raise enough money to keep the nation's transportation system moving, LaHood said in an interview with The Associated Press.

"We should look at the vehicular miles program where people are actually clocked on the number of miles that they traveled," the former Illinois Republican lawmaker said.

Very, very bad idea. Big brother can kiss my ass.

596 godfrey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:38:03am

Spending Bill Text:

Part A (496 pp.)
Part B (575 pp.)

I'm busy with other things; if this isn't it, someone please provide a link to the goods.

597 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:38:24am

re: #590 Lincolntf

Yet another connection to scandal that would have torpedoed any Republican First Lady will go unnoticed by the moonbats/MSM. If this had been Laura Bush, a daily group of hundreds of "patient-care" advocates would be protesting in front of the White House. The editorials would be scathing and the NPR phone wires would be burning up with righteous indignation.

Right, it is so interesting that the same paper reports the same program a couple of years apart, but this time cleans it up to protect the Obama's.

598 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:38:25am

re: #593 Nevergiveup

I doubt it. For a whole host of reasons. Bibi is more bluster than substance for one. And Israel's capabilities are still small compared to the USA and the Job of taking out Iran's facilities is major.

To quote Nike:

Just. Do. It.

/follow-on raids can get the targets that escape the first round.

599 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:38:25am

re: #565 opnion

Yes she did, & not one major media organ in Chicago refers to it as buying influence.
The dirty little secret is that the program at the UofC Med Ctr is in place to turn away indigent Blacks from the surrounding Community.
The Obama's might be bitter racists, but they are situational when it comes to hustling a buck.

The Obama's claim to care about the little guy - to which I say - Bullshit.

600 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:38:38am

re: #580 Kenneth


Are you in the area he was? Did you get to touch the hem of his garment?

601 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:38:41am

re: #580 Kenneth

Good morning everybody. I must say we Canadians are still all a-tingle from Obama's visit yesterday.


Israel has 3 tankers: Lockheed C-130 Hercules craft, designated KC-130H "Qarnaf". Given that Bibi is now PM, the Iranian's have got to be worried.

Have you checked your wallet?

602 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:39:08am

re: #592 realwest

Pay raise? She started receiving a $350,000 a year paycheck then. Like more than 50% increase in pay.

That's a nice little pay raise, dontcha think?

603 aussiemagpie  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:39:46am

re: #586 Ward Cleaver

Puh-leeze.

Hi, and thanks for the progress report on June - I'm so glad she's doing well!

As for that report, someone was paid to do this research?

604 Macker  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:39:48am

re: #583 Honorary Yooper

One of these days I've got to design and market "People's Socialist City-State of Chicago" T-shirts. Will you Lizards buy them?

605 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:39:57am

re: #602 FrogMarch

That's a nice little pay raise, dontcha think?

And she was working for a non-profit go figure.

606 godfrey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:40:30am

This looks like a better, easier-to-read version: HR. 1.

607 Irish Rose  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:40:41am

re: #586 Ward Cleaver

It can also hurt your reputation by causing you to be duped by your mortal enemies into unknowingly joining a fascist group that promotes genocide. Or so I've heard.

Must be some kind of social networking hypnosis.

608 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:41:27am

re: #580 Kenneth
Cool. Can F-15/F-16 fly slow enough to refuel from a C-130?

609 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:41:38am

Dow off 114 pts at 7351. It's a pretty safe bet we broke the lower-support level of ~ 7425 leaving the next firm support in the mid-6300's from 1997, irrc.

610 aussiemagpie  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:41:50am

re: #589 Ford_Prefect

Morning Mag. I don't know if it still does or not, but the Mini website used to have a popup that after you had been on the sight a while would tell you to log off and go get some fresh air.

Hi, if only it also refilled coffee cups or wine glasses..............

611 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:42:53am

re: #599 FrogMarch

The Obama's claim to care about the little guy - to which I say - Bullshit.

They are situational & love hyperbole & coming across as the saviors of minorities. They may even believe it. Their problem is that they are cheap hustlers, that are running a con & will sellout for fame , fortune & power.

612 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:43:23am

While America slides into the crapper - members of Congress throw lavish events to raise campaign money for the 2010 election.

&
Obama victory bash owes city $1.74 mil. It's worth going into dept to see the glorious Messiah have a good party.

613 midwestgak  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:43:53am

Chicago Tea Party in July

Santelli tells like it is.

614 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:44:15am

re: #571 Ward Cleaver
Ah well, it's just that I started having the same symptoms that I had when they first discovered that I had the cancer - and this only two days after seeing oncologist. But for the most part I'm fine now - just COLD. I tell ya, I thought I was moving to the SOUTHLAND.
I hope June's next PET and exam go just as well as the last few times around. Fourth year, huh? Isn't Five supposed to be the point at which you can "stop worrying"? (and yeah, I know.......there's never a time when you don't worry about it, even if it's just in the back of your mind or subconsious).
I wish you both the very best and prayers going up for you both as well.

615 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:44:24am

debt

616 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:44:50am

re: #604 Macker

One of these days I've got to design and market "People's Socialist City-State of Chicago" T-shirts. Will you Lizards buy them?

Only if you print it "Da Peoples Socialist......................"

617 Onslow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:44:51am

Today's Darwin Award nominee:

Man falls to his death on Palmetto Expressway

618 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:45:12am

re: #608 pingjockey

Cool. Can F-15/F-16 fly slow enough to refuel from a C-130?

Certainly... but the effort has a downside, when you throttle your F-16 back to refuel, how much of the new gas is going to be burned getting you back up to operational speed.

I bet you get the same effect reloading off a jet, just not as much.

/interesting math problem.

619 gymmom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:45:33am

re: #581 newsjunkie_ky

I laughed out loud the first time I told my daughter, "No texting at the table" remembering this very funny video.

620 aussiemagpie  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:45:41am

re: #594 rightside

Whew, don't go to any, so I am safe!

Hi, of course LGF can get very social, so you really are in danger too!
Especially when discussion leads to boobs, cars, guns, legs, .....

*Check your pulse*

621 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:46:02am

re: #615 FrogMarch
S'alright. Congress is damn lucky the founders don't suddenly appear in the capitol. I can see TJ whuppin' the hell out of these greedy bastards.

622 notutopia  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:46:11am

Harlan Ellison is a gutsy, well respected writer. I respect him as a most accomplished, valiant man. He has earned my respect. Many of our fiction favorites are owed to his pen. One of my favs, "A Boy and His Dog", which was made into a movie.
He has also written under the pen name Cordwainer Bird, when he is in abject dissent of a subject.

The "Cordwainer Bird" moniker is a tribute to fellow SF writer Paul M. A. Linebarger, better known by his pen name, Cordwainer Smith. The origin of the word "cordwainer" is shoemaker (from working with cordovan leather for shoes). The term used by Linebarger was meant to imply the industriousness of the pulp author. Ellison has said, in interviews and in his writing, that his version of the pseudonym was meant to mean "a shoemaker for birds". Since he has used the pseudonym mainly for works he wants to distance himself from, it may be understood to mean that "this work is for the birds". Stephen King once said he thought that it meant that Ellison was giving people who mangled his work a literary version of "the bird". [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Harlan Ellison -- Pay the Writer

Youtube Video
623 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:46:57am

re: #559 midwestgak - good morning to you! They know better than to try that red light gimmick in NYC, cause in NYC a yellow light means "SPEED UP!". LOL!

624 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:48:03am

re: #618 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Where is one of our resident Airforce pukes to enlighten us?

625 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:48:12am

Glimmer of hope?

626 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:48:37am

re: #573 godfrey Good morning godfrey! Say, I don't think that's the right link; all the reports I've seen say the bill is something like 1300 pages - maybe that's the first draft?

627 aussiemagpie  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:48:39am

{Realwest}

*Smooch* and I'm glad you're feeling a bit better tonight :-)

628 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:48:51am

re: #624 pingjockey

Where is one of our resident Airforce pukes to enlighten us?

Well, duh... they sleep in... and wake up at the crack of noon. :-)

629 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:49:32am

re: #591 Ward Cleaver

I don't know what role the IAF has assigned to their KC-130H's but I would think, if necessary, they could be used to refuel fighters.

630 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:49:38am

re: #625 rightside
I doubt it. Once a gov't program gets going it's harder to kill than one of those Aliens.

631 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:49:40am

re: #624 pingjockey

Where is one of our resident ChAirforce pukes to enlighten us?

Fixed that for you.

632 midwestgak  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:50:07am

re: #623 realwest

Morning {real}. You say you are cold. It's a balmy 17 degrees in Chicago.lol

633 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:50:10am

re: #628 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Silly me, I forgot.

634 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:50:35am

re: #631 rightside
Bwahahaha!

635 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:50:45am

re: #608 pingjockey

I have no idea. Must be some lizard experts here... can they be used?

636 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:51:00am
637 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:51:05am

Alright Lizard Moms, I have a question. My wife is looking for a good sight "like lgf" that she would like. lol. By that she means something where she could chat with other moms about their kids and stuff (her words, not mine). She doesn't really follow the political stuff.

638 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:51:13am

Apologies if this is a repeat: Argentina boots Shoah-denying Bishop

639 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:51:22am

re: #580 Kenneth
Good morning you tingly legged Canadian you! If Israel has those tankers, then why did they use USAF tankers for the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Syria?

640 midwestgak  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:51:42am

re: #625 rightside

Glimmer of hope?

That would be sweet.

641 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:52:14am

re: #630 pingjockey

The house controls the wallet/purse. Defund it, no need to repeal the law. That's the issue though, Michael Steele says we have no reason to trust the GOP right now. After voting to spend as much as they have over the past years, I will approach this with extreme caution. I have no reason to trust them either at this point. We've heard the rhetoric before, it's time to put your money where your mouth is.

642 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:52:23am

re: #625 rightside

Glimmer of hope?

That has been a problem with it all along, the bulk of the spending is timed to buy the 2010 elections and by 2012 ACORN will have the infrastructure in place to steal elections for a very long time. Had the R's actually acted like fiscal conservatives during the Bush years there would be a glimmer of hope, but given their past performance would you give them the keys to the new car? I certainly wouldn't.

643 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:52:26am

re: #635 Kenneth
Don't see why not. The collected smarts here is scary. McGyver like smarts!

644 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:52:45am

re: #628 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Well, I went looking for info on it (or better yet a photo of the two at an intimate moment)... couldn't find that, but the C-130 can refuel at speeds from 100 to 270 km/hr.

Surely an F-16 can fly comfortably above 1G stall speed at, say, 250...

645 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:52:48am
646 Killer Tomato  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:52:49am
resident Airforce pukes


Oh, that's pleasant.

647 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:53:07am

re: #637 Ford_Prefect

Oprah.com


*LOL*

648 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:53:17am

re: #582 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Hey good morning LT! Well don't forget the three day weekends and all - but you're right, once he gets past the point of finding cabinet and other high level officials who don't have tax evasion or other ethical problems, we'll be in sure, steady hands.
Pushing us ALL downhill.

649 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:53:48am

re: #641 rightside
Michael Steele has his work cut out.

650 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:54:08am

re: #642 soxfan4life
wow, GMTA... see my #641

651 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:54:14am

re: #641 rightside

The house controls the wallet/purse. Defund it, no need to repeal the law. That's the issue though, Michael Steele says we have no reason to trust the GOP right now. After voting to spend as much as they have over the past years, I will approach this with extreme caution. I have no reason to trust them either at this point. We've heard the rhetoric before, it's time to put your money where your mouth is.

Hmmm, an actual Republican heading the RNC.

652 notutopia  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:54:30am

Harlan Ellison, on Dumb, Arrogant People...


Harlan Ellison

Youtube Video
653 yesandno  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:54:32am

re: #41 gmsc

(While the date on the blog entry is March 12, 2008 - it's still up for sale, as nobody wants to buy a house that comes with gawkers at the house next door.)

re: #40 gmsc

Let's see, a woman with many kids is looking for a million dollar home? I have the perfect solution!

The house next door to the famous Brady Bunch house is up for sale - $1.3 million!

I think you can find a doublewide with 5 bedrooms under $160,00...maybe a special order triple wide with 6/7 bedrooms could be had for less then $200,000. Why the million plus stuff? And if she is dumping the parents, who is going to change all those diapers? Feed all those kids? She is having a great time while all the kids are being taken care of by parents or the prenatal unit....what happens when they all come home?

654 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:54:41am

re: #618 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Certainly... but the effort has a downside, when you throttle your F-16 back to refuel, how much of the new gas is going to be burned getting you back up to operational speed.

I bet you get the same effect reloading off a jet, just not as much.

/interesting math problem.

U.S. fighter pilots were definitely happy when the USAF switched from the slow, lumbering KC-97s to the 135s. They didn't have to slow down as much.

I remember when KC-97s were stationed at the old Dallas Naval Air Station (TX and OH ANG units were the last to give up their 97s). It was said that when the 97s started runup of their engines, the whole field went IFR (from the smoke).

655 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:54:53am

re: #642 soxfan4life

That has been a problem with it all along, the bulk of the spending is timed to buy the 2010 elections and by 2012 ACORN will have the infrastructure in place to steal elections for a very long time. Had the R's actually acted like fiscal conservatives during the Bush years there would be a glimmer of hope, but given their past performance would you give them the keys to the new car? I certainly wouldn't.

But the GOP is already lining up with the social conservatives again and everything will be alright for 2010.

/s

656 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:55:00am

re: #583 Honorary Yooper
Good morning HY! Hope you're well today! But what do you mean? Those are surveillance cameras of PUBLIC areas - if a cop sees you doing something wrong he can bust your ass; the camera's just make it easier for the police to do the policing.

657 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:55:33am

re: #648 realwest

Good morning to you RW!

Hope all is well in Charlotte. A balmy 29 here... but it is a nice bright day, spring training as begun and there is time to live properly while our country flushes down the toilet.

658 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:55:37am

re: #649 pingjockey
He absolutely does, and I am hoping he can. We will be watching him, and there is no improvement, even before 2010, then he will need to go too. Don't turn him into a bob shrum (sp?)

659 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:56:25am

re: #647 rightside

Oprah.com

*LOL*

That's all I need. /
I have been working on getting her to switch from the Today Show to FoxNews without too much success. She has definitely started to recognize the bias, though, so that's a start.

660 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:56:36am

re: #610 aussiemagpie

Hi, if only it also refilled coffee cups or wine glasses..............

See, aussie, you're safe. You've got to get out of the house to go buy chardy every now and then!

661 notutopia  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:56:44am

Catch ya'll later... errands to run.
Have a great day!

662 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:56:48am

re: #600 rightside

I'm in Toronto. Miss Trixie is in Ottawa and I believe works near Parliament Hill where the assembled throngs gathered to watch the One divide the fishes & the loaves.

The media up here are in that warm & fuzzy post-coital bliss phase. In a few days all they'll be wondering if the dashing smooth talking gentleman will ever call again. But for now... it true love!

663 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:57:18am

As we wait for Obama to make and inevitable horrendous pro-union big waste of tax payer money decision.

The union killed GM's profitability - so what do the pro-democrat pro-union pundits do? such bad faith economically illiterate idiots.

Revealing that E.J. Dionne refers to the "plan to salvage the unionized car companies." Does Dionne ask why it's only the unionized car companies that need salvaging? Or is he hinting at something else--after all, he talks about his new Malibu, which he says he'll drive with pride "as long as GM stays unionized." Is the idea that GM wouldn't be worth bailing out, in Dionne's eyes, if it weren't unionized? Are all his policy positions driven by vestigial pro-union sentimentality?

664 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:58:02am

re: #654 Ward Cleaver

ROFL.

Can't beat a big radial prop engine... ahhh... people knew how to build stuff back then.

665 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:58:26am

re: #656 realwest

Good morning HY! Hope you're well today! But what do you mean? Those are surveillance cameras of PUBLIC areas - if a cop sees you doing something wrong he can bust your ass; the camera's just make it easier for the police to do the policing.

I feel just a little differently about it. We should have conceal carry, not camera. Laws protecting those who protect themselves and others, not wait until a crime is committed. If we want police out there, we need real beat cops, not a desk jockey writing fines.

I'm damn sick and tired of camera, gps devices, etc being used to spy on everything we do so we can be fined or taxed to the hilt. Enough already!

666 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:58:51am

re: #639 realwest

Hey!

Good question. I was curious if Israel had any tankers at all, so I looked it up. I don't have any idea if they would actually be useful in an attack on Iran.

For a minute there, I thought I felt a tingle run up my leg, but it was just the cat.

667 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:59:03am

re: #583 Honorary Yooper

Outrage of the day, IMHO:

Surveillance cams help fight crime, city says


Welcome to Fascist Chicago.

I know that they do this in London, but to me it is a police state tactic.
None of us has an expectation of privacy while in public, but this seems over the top.

668 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:59:26am

re: #659 Ford_Prefect


"...The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step"

669 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 6:59:53am

re: #663 FrogMarch

Well the unions in NYS are trying to kill any chance of fiscal responsibility with their latest misleading ads. They're demanding that Paterson not cut health care spending on Medicare and hospital funding, even though there are no cuts.

It's just that the state isn't going to spend as much as they had previously indicated for the upcoming fiscal year. The unions will still get more money, just not as much as hoped for.

It's cynical, it's misleading, and it works.

It's worked for decades, which is part of the problem with governments across the nation - they mislead over what they're doing in the name of fiscal responsibility and protecting tax revenues. In fact, in many places, that's never been a concern, only making sure that they can enlarge the amount of tax revenues to spend as the mandarins see fit.

670 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:00:09am

re: #668 rightside

"...The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step"

And if Ray LaHood has his way, each step will be taxed.

671 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:00:09am

re: #595 Honorary Yooper
ah yup. Now that's the way to go about inducing the public to buy fuel efficient vehicles ok.
All it means is the same thing that happened in NYC when Bloomberg jacked up the price of cigarettes: folks either smoked less or bought their cig's from Indian Reservations or out of state, the net effect being an "unanticipated" shortfall in tax income to the City.
So folks drive less, or carpool and they sell less gasoline and therefore receive less tax revenue from the sale of gasoline.
There are times when I think everyone in charge of any government at any level is a complete and total fucking maroon.

672 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:00:38am

re: #668 rightside

"...The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step"

...but don't be like Obama, and make that first step into a pile of shit.

673 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:01:04am

re: #617 Onslow

Today's Darwin Award nominee:

Man falls to his death on Palmetto Expressway


From your link,


Authorities found a spray can with silver paint near Olivera.

Traffic signs above where police found the body were vandalized. The signs indicate the direction to Kendall, the neighborhood in which Olivera lived.


Sounds like a not-so-intelligent designer.

674 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:01:14am
675 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:01:18am

re: #669 lawhawk


That's government logic for you, increasing spending by less than originally projected equals spending cut.

676 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:01:59am

re: #662 Kenneth

I can almost smell the post-coital cigarette smoke wafting down this way...

/I've had better

677 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:02:36am

re: #674 taxfreekiller

Stand up Fight Back!

google

10th amendment resolution

in Texas
[Link: www.texasonline.com...]

find you State Rep. and State Senator, call urge a vote

Forget about Rick Perry, dark side got him long ago, he is all about
$25,000,000 of the Government dole to fix the Gov.'s mansion he moved out of into a $10,000 per month rental so's the Gov's mansion could be brought up to his pissey ass standards, (left it unguarded and some loon liberal anti environmental wacko burned it down), no ins. even the contractor doing the work was not required to have a builders risk policy)

Perry is as dumb or dumber than Obama, if you can measure smarts in the negative,,,,,,
IMO

So good of you to remember. ;)

678 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:03:04am

re: #675 soxfan4life
yep. The donks said GW was cutting programs, ummm...NO! The increase was 7% compared to 14%, so the donks said it was a 50% cut! Assholes.

679 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:03:44am

re: #670 Honorary Yooper

Just saw that. You couldn't script this silliness any better.

680 aussiemagpie  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:04:16am

re: #660 redstateredneck

See, aussie, you're safe. You've got to get out of the house to go buy chardy every now and then!

Hi {redstateredneck}

LOL! I'm thinking of home delivery........

681 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:04:17am

re: #668 rightside

"...The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step"

So true. And I have caught her turning on FoxNews a few times. The problem with getting her away from the Today Show is that the Fox morning show does not really do any entertainment stuff and that is what she likes.

682 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:04:52am

re: #678 pingjockey

yep. The donks said GW was cutting programs, ummm...NO! The increase was 7% compared to 14%, so the donks said it was a 50% cut! Assholes.

That's right out of the Democrat handbook. They always say a smaller increase is a cut.

683 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:04:58am

A quick heads-up for anyone who was in the Missouri Creationist Bill thread yesterday -- but was NOT in at the end of it.

We had two trolls and one new-commentor -- Dragonwolf -- who, it turns out, unwittingly stumbled into the middle of the bullfight. Dragonwolf is not a troll. Go down late in that thread (800's onwards, I think). Read his comments, mine and Naso Tang's.

Gotta get off to a client's.
Back later.

684 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:04:59am

Good morning lizards!

Is someone playing a joke on John Kerry & O?

Hamas Denies Giving Sen John Kerry A Letter To Obama

GAZA CITY (AFP)--Hamas denied Friday having passed on to visiting U.S. Senator John Kerry a letter for President Barack Obama, whose nation considers the Islamist group to be a terrorist organization.

"Hamas denies having given a letter to John Kerry," spokesman Fawzi Barhum told AFP in the Gaza Strip. "However, we are willing to forge ties with anyone who is ready to back the rights of the Palestinian people."
A U.N. spokesman earlier said Kerry was given a letter for Obama believed to be from Hamas during a visit by the senator to the Hamas-ruled and war-ravaged Gaza Strip on Thursday, as part of a regional tour.

685 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:05:00am

re: #602 FrogMarch
Yep, I'd take it in less than the blink of an eye.
That's part of what TFK means when he talks of the two party money cult.
I saw some stats from a reputable source out here on LGF that listed the TEN richest members of Congress. The first SIX were DEMOCRATS (ya know, the party of the little people and the working man) and EIGHT out of the top TEN were Democrats. Speaker Pelosi was so far up there that she made Teddy look like a pauper.
And the folks who register and vote DEMOCRATIC STILL think they are voting for the party that represents the middle class and the poor and downtrodden amongst us.
As I say, P.T. Barnum and Rahm Emmanuel are spot on when they say there's a fool born everyday.

686 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:05:04am

The Life and Death Race Against Time

I may only sleep a little better but at least the enemies of the Jews get to sleep less well now: Netanyahu is forming the new government in Israel and that means that Bogie Ya'alon, one of the foremost Israeli military minds of the last quarter century is right at Bibi's side. Bogie is simply the man you want when you need to come up with a plan to destroy an enemy using force. I don't know what plans Bogie is cooking up for Israel's enemies but I would NOT be on his "to-do" list. He is very imaginative and formidable, knows how to crush enemies in war. Teaming him with IDF head Ashkenazi is like having Patton, Shwartzkopf, Omar Bradley and Petreaus on your case. When the shooting starts, you are going DOWN.

The news Iran lied about about how much enriched uranium they have fits in with everything we know about their program and about al Baradei's shilling for these scum. I would not be surprised to find out that Iran paid off the UN weapons inspectors. The UN is a corrupt place to begin with and al Baradei's apparent willingness to give Iran every break, ostensibly cover for them and deny they are working on weapons give all the appearance of a man of UN levels of integrity carrying the water for a sleazebag regime of murderers.

Bibi would do well to take everything Israel has to Obama and say, "guys, it's too late, it's bomb them now or we all die."

Even if Ahmadinejad does not get re-elected, it only means a lesser criminal murderer is the smiling face of the regime. We can try a blockade. It is the one step short of all out war that might stop the mess. Certainly Iran's weak economy might implode form the gas shortages alone.

Diplomacy failed. That is certain.

Remember the bumper sticker one nuclear bomb can ruin your whole day? Well what would an Iranians suicide barrage of twenty ballistic and cruise missiles do for your day? Did I mention the West has no defense against cruise missiles?

Since no missile defense can be certain to be 100%, you have to be certain the guys with the missiles won't shoot (a cold war, trust in mutual assured destruction) or you have to prevent the enemy from getting the bomb and the missiles with the bombs. Yesterday's announcement put the world on notice, the 60% odd percent of Europe that doesn't believe the Jews caused the meltdown at least, that the most fanatic regime terror sponsoring regime in the world is in the final sprint to getting the bomb.

If you think I have enjoyed playing Cassandra here, I don't but everything I have said about Iran's intentions have been borne out and if I am right about their willingness to use the bomb once they get it, we are looking at the possible first use of nuclear weapons in a war 64 years.

Time for the new bumper sticker- better active on Iran today than radioactive tomorrow.

687 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:05:20am

re: #681 Ford_Prefect


Then "entertain" her, with it on in the background...

688 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:05:36am
689 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:05:56am

re: #680 aussiemagpie

Hi {redstateredneck}

LOL! I'm thinking of home delivery........

You could order online, I suppose. Wasn't there some guy who lived for a year or something ordering everything he needed online just to see if he could do it?

690 jcw46  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:06:20am

re: #637 Ford_Prefect
since I don't have the equipment, I don't spend a lot of time searching for "mother" sites. (no, not even milf pr0n) but have run across a site with a forum at "Mothering" which is either an eZine or print Magazine. They have articles about "mothering" (duh) and a forum but I don't know them enough to give a + rating to them --- HERE.

691 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:06:43am

re: #678 pingjockey

yep. The donks said GW was cutting programs, ummm...NO! The increase was 7% compared to 14%, so the donks said it was a 50% cut! Assholes.

Not that GWB will ever go down in history as a fiscal conservative. When John Kerry was attacking him for spending in 2004 we were pretty well screwed either way.

692 jcw46  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:06:56am

re: #649 pingjockey

Michael Steele has his work cut out.


Michael Steele MAY be part of the problem.

693 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:07:00am

re: #637 Ford_Prefect

Alright Lizard Moms, I have a question. My wife is looking for a good sight "like lgf" that she would like. lol. By that she means something where she could chat with other moms about their kids and stuff (her words, not mine). She doesn't really follow the political stuff.

OK, so I am not getting any response. (no offense rightside) Nobody knows of any good sites?

694 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:07:05am

re: #669 lawhawk

Indeed.
"Employee Free Choice Act" - is an example of how the left use deceptive marketing to snow -- guilt-- everyone into voting for what in actuality is the opposite of free choice. Taking away an individual's right to a private ballot vote is NOT free choice. If we let the union thugs in the door - they will forever metastasize. and the democrat/union marriage is perfect becasue they are both masters at using deceptive language to guilt a uneducated emotionally driven populous.

695 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:07:26am

And LudwigVonQuixote posted his latest version of a 3-part evolution troll hammer way down in the Missouri Creationist Bill thread. Good stuff in it.

696 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:08:10am

re: #691 soxfan4life
True dat! Pissed me off to no end. I kept thinking where in hell is RWR to straighten this dude out.

697 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:08:54am

re: #692 jcw46
What? Damn.

698 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:09:04am

re: #673 Kenneth

re: #617 Onslow

``The driver of a Ford Ranger pickup truck struck what he thought was debris in the road,''said Lt. Pat Santangelo, a Florida Highway Patrol spokesman. ``He stopped and realized it was a body

The driver was correct!

//

699 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:09:17am

re: #620 aussiemagpie
Hey there {Maggie} *smooches* to you! How are you doing this very early morning down in Oz?

700 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:09:22am

re: #690 jcw46

Thanks, I'll check it out.

701 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:09:24am

re: #693 Ford_Prefect

OK, so I am not getting any response. (no offense rightside) Nobody knows of any good sites?


Guess we're not typical moms.

702 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:09:44am

re: #696 pingjockey

True dat! Pissed me off to no end. I kept thinking where in hell is RWR to straighten this dude out.


I just keep dreaming for the day when we have someone else with the ability to tell the liberal aholes, there you go again.

703 Irish Rose  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:10:10am

re: #693 Ford_Prefect

OK, so I am not getting any response. (no offense rightside) Nobody knows of any good sites?

Don't feel bad, I didn't get a satisfactory answer to my question about the hot tub perv either.

704 Miss Trixie  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:10:31am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards} &#9836 &#9834

We peasants have endured the mighty hand and bienfaisance of The One and all His Self-Manufactured Glory. Sunlight cleaved the heavens as he stood on sacred ground worshipped by lowly adoring masses, slaves to their tingles and loathe to turn away their shining faces filled with hope lest The One deigned to call upon them.

And that was just the media ...

{realwest} Morning luv *smoochie-smooch* Happy to see you!

705 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:10:47am

re: #702 soxfan4life
I see no one on the horizon or under the radar with the communication abilities of RWR.

706 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:10:48am

re: #703 Irish Rose

Don't feel bad, I didn't get a satisfactory answer to my question about the hot tub perv either.

why are you asing about me !?!?!

//

707 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:10:56am
708 Gretchen  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:11:14am

re: #671 realwest


There are times when I think everyone in charge of any government at any level is a complete and total fucking maroon.

There are times? Like all the time?

Well if you are a Democrat, this idea not only tracks citizens but it also is less onorous for city dwellers than rural and suburbanities. Which group overwhelmingly supports Democrats? Plus Obama can claim the price of gas went down drastically during his administration when the gas tax drops.

The simple fact that it does nothing to encourage less gas consumption obviously isn't an issue for these people. I'm sure government vehicles will be exempt from this taxation.

709 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:11:32am

re: #637 Ford_Prefect

Alright Lizard Moms, I have a question. My wife is looking for a good sight "like lgf" that she would like. lol. By that she means something where she could chat with other moms about their kids and stuff (her words, not mine). She doesn't really follow the political stuff.


Here ya go:
[Link: snickollet.blogspot.com...]

710 aussiemagpie  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:11:50am

re: #689 redstateredneck

You could order online, I suppose. Wasn't there some guy who lived for a year or something ordering everything he needed online just to see if he could do it?


Now if only I could work from home too! I couldn't imagine not going to my local shops - that's where I get all the latest news about local happenings - I go in to buy milk, and an hour later.....

711 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:11:52am

re: #705 pingjockey

I see no one on the horizon or under the radar with the communication abilities of RWR.

I hope for all of our sakes that they show up soon.

712 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:12:36am

re: #704 Miss Trixie

{Miss Trixie}
So glad you survived the 2nd Coming!

713 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:13:11am

re: #703 Irish Rose

Don't feel bad, I didn't get a satisfactory answer to my question about the hot tub perv either.

LOL
You can't visit our hot tub anytime..there is no size qualifications..

714 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:13:26am

re: #632 midwestgak
Yeah, but y'all live in CHICAGO. It's February. It's supposed to be freezing there!
I live in North Carolina - actually only about 15 miles from South Carolina and it's not supposed to be that cold here! Hell, one day last week I woke up and we were one degree colder that FARGO, NORTH DAKOTA!
I blame Al Gore.

715 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:13:32am

In honor of Zero's first month on his very first job... here is my official Age of Obama screw up list (please note I did not record his dicked up cabinet picks as his screw ups... I understand how some would, I didn't... so there. :-)

Age of Obama Part 1

20 Jan 09

1) Teamed up with Chief Justice Roberts to botch the Oath

2) Blew off the Medal of Honor Winner Ball (first president to do so since its inception in 1953)

22 Jan 09

3) While signing an executive order, Obama asked WH Counsel Greg Craig what the order meant. The order closes Gitmo and stops Military Trials of detainees.

23 Jan 09

4) In response to a modest tax cut proposal by Republicans at a “bi-partisan” meeting with congressmen, Obama responded “I’m gonna trump you on that, I won” thus ending any “bi-partisan” talk.

5) US drones launch a missile strike in Pakistan, applying Obama’s campaign slip to “invade Pakistan”. Pakistanis react by releasing A.Q. Khan, the nuclear enabler.

26 Jan 09

6) Obama gives first formal interview since becomng president to Al-Arabyia TV. Apologized for the US.

27 Jan 09

7) A major Ice Storm cripples Kentucky, nearly 30 deaths, the Obama administration does nothing but after a week or so declares KY a disaster area. This after condeming the Bush adminstration’s handling of Katrina. MSM runs cover by ignoring the storm.

29 Jan 09

8) While having campaigned chiding us on keeping our thermostats set too high, it comes to light that Obama keeps the White House at a toasty 80 degrees. Press spokesman blows off criticism citing Obama’s Hawaii roots, a place he’s only visited since the 1970’s.

30 Jan 09

9) Obama makes a public announcement of the formation of a “Middle Class Task Force”. Problem is, the task force formed and started doing whatever it does during the transition. This was a purely symbolic “re-announcement”.

2 Feb 09

10) Eliminates the playing of “Hail to the Chief” in favor of playing Sting’s “Desert Rose” when he officially enters a room.

3 Feb 09

11) Tom Daschle removes himself from consideration as a cabinet officer because of failure to pay taxes as does the person nominated as “performance czar”, part of a long line of appointments that didn’t feel the need to follow the rules they inflict on the rest of us.

12) President for two weeks, Obama makes an appearance at a school and announces “he’s tired of being in the White House.”

5 Feb 09

13) Seeing his Porkulus Bill falling apart in the Senate, Obama writes a OpEd in the Washington Post demanding it get passed NOW or the sky will surely fall.

14) White House announces they may drop the charges against the USS Cole’s bomber, but that they will talk to the family members first and might re-institute the charges later. (Now that’s decisiveness for you!)

15) In his third event of the day, Obama pledges that the sky is really falling in a prime time campaign speech at the Democrat Retreat after having bragged that he used the event as an excuse to fly Air Force 1 from Andrews AFB to Williamsburg VA… 160 miles.

6 Feb 09

16) Obama drops all charges against USS Cole attackers.

17) Control of the Census is moved from the Dept. of Commerce to the control of the White House and Rahm Emmanuel.

13 Feb 09

18) Not detered by the campaign talking point that “Bush was just fearmongering” about Iran and Nukes, the Obama adminstration recognizes that Iran really is trying to build a bomb.

19) Congress passes a 1,000 page (+) “stimulus” package mortaging the future of the country, without either the 5 day “sunshine” window Obama promised in the campaign OR the 48 hour look-see period the House promised. On top of that, not a single representative has actually read the document they are in such a hurry to pass. No one on earth knows what kind of crap is in there.

716 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:13:48am

re: #711 soxfan4life
All we need is someone who can state conservative principles in language the unenlightened can understand. Limited gov't, strong military, capitalistic principles.

717 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:13:56am

re: #707 ploome hineni

most women here have older or married children?

I'm older. Don't know about the other women. Even when I was younger, though, I didn't really want to sit around with a bunch of women and talk about kids.

718 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:14:36am

Age of Obama, part 2

14 Feb 09

20) Obama sends a bust of Winston Churchill back to Britian. It was given as a gift to the US after 9/11. British diplomats are agast.

16 Feb 09

21) Pakistan surrenders to the Taliban in NW Pakistan and imposes sharia law to placate the Taliban occupiers.

19 Feb 09

22) Putin warns Obama not to “try Socialism” citing the Russian experience. It’s really something when the KGB guy has to tell you it doesn’t work

719 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:14:46am
720 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:15:16am

re: #704 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning, {lizards} ♬ ♪

We peasants have endured the mighty hand and beneficence of The One and all His Self-Manufactured Glory. Sunlight cleaved the heavens as he stood on sacred ground worshiped by lowly adoring masses, slaves to their tingles and loathe to turn away their shining faces filled with hope lest The One deigned to call upon them.

And that was just the media ...

{real west} Morning Liv *smooch-smooch* Happy to see you!

Good Morning Miss Trixie!
All I want to do is touch the hem of his garment..

721 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:15:21am

re: #710 aussiemagpie

Now if only I could work from home too! I couldn't imagine not going to my local shops - that's where I get all the latest news about local happenings - I go in to buy milk, and an hour later.....


Me, too. Going to the grocery store is the hight point of my social life. I do all my visiting there.

722 aussiemagpie  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:15:49am

re: #699 realwest

Hey there {Maggie} *smooches* to you! How are you doing this very early morning down in Oz?

Hi darls, and I'm wondering how to make the weekend last a bit longer!

My to do list is rather long :-)

723 Killer Tomato  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:15:50am

re: #595 Honorary Yooper

Secondary Outrage of the Day:

(Was going to be my first until I saw King Richard II's camera plan.)

Transportation secretary says taxing how much we drive may replace gasoline tax


Very, very bad idea. Big brother can kiss my ass.

The lovely Michelle is visiting Mr. LaHood's office at lunch today. She'll be giving a short speech to the lucky DOT employees who managed to get a reserved spot. I'm not sure what that will do to people's appetites.

724 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:16:03am

re: #709 HoosierHoops

Here ya go:
[Link: snickollet.blogspot.com...]

Thanks Mrs. HH. :-)

725 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:17:22am

re: #715 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Very good. You get a ding for your Obama chronicle.

726 ilzito guacamolito  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:17:23am

re: #659 Ford_Prefect

Ha! oprah.com, that's too funny!
As the mother of four, I cannot think of anything more important than politics in this dangerous time. But that is just me. However, I would be willing to trade a recipe or two. Maybe share some parenting secrets. I think I am going to begin to implement the motivational technique of the GI from a couple of threads ago.
/
Seriously, there doesn't seem to be too much in between. There is this site and the like or the braindead crap at the other end of the spectrum.

727 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:17:27am

re: #718 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

...22) Putin warns Obama not to “try Socialism” citing the Russian experience. It’s really something when the KGB guy has to tell you it doesn’t work

Do you have some sort of link to this incident?

728 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:17:33am

Watched Bill Clinton desperately spin the Stimulus as a good thing. The man comes off as a combination used car salesman/purveyor of snake oil.

729 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:18:01am
730 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:18:32am

re: #715 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

and it's only been a month! we are so screwed.

731 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:19:23am

re: #715 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

LT, that was a very comprehensive listing of the man's idiocy. Good job.

732 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:19:28am

re: #730 FrogMarch

and it's only been a month! we are so being screwed.

Fixed

733 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:19:36am

re: #641 rightside
Um, with all due respect to Mr. Steele and to you, while the Republicans were in power, we were fighting two wars, full tilt boogie and had Katrina and Ike to pay for as well.
I'm not saying that the Repub's are above spending taxpayer money to ensure that they remain in power, but they sure spend a lot less of it than the Dems.
Wait to see what the Budget is for this coming fiscal year - with the Stimulus and TARP plus "normal funding" I'll wager EVEN MONEY right now, that Obama will outspend George Bush's last year in office with his first year in office, even though, for all intents and purposes the war in Iraq is over and we've had no natural disasters remotely approaching Katrina. And it's gonn be a LOT MORE in 2011 - unless we recapture the House or Senate.

734 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:19:43am

re: #726 ilzito guacamolito

It seems like anything she finds is pretty much just a post and leave kind of site. No real live dialogue like this.

735 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:20:00am

re: #727 Walter L. Newton

Do you have some sort of link to this incident?

it was on drudge a couple days ago

736 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:20:31am
737 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:20:41am

Hey HH. Did you realize that site is for Moms who have lost their husbands? Are you trying to tell me something?

738 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:20:45am

re: #723 Killer Tomato

The system would require all cars and trucks be equipped with global satellite positioning technology, a transponder, a clock and other equipment to record how many miles a vehicle was driven, whether it was driven on highways or secondary roads, and even whether it was driven during peak traffic periods or off-peak hours.

The device would tally how much tax motorists owed depending upon their road use. Motorists would pay the amount owed when it was downloaded, probably at gas stations at first, but an alternative eventually would be needed.


And who the f*ck pays for this? Get real!

739 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:20:47am

re: #678 pingjockey

yep. The donks said GW was cutting programs, ummm...NO! The increase was 7% compared to 14%, so the donks said it was a 50% cut! Assholes.

The democrats are masters at deception. The democrats know they have a willing press to cover for the mass deception and bad math. and yes - as Iron Fist said, the Republicans lack the ability to point it out.

740 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:20:55am

re: #718 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

You've started what will become a very long, sad list.

741 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:20:58am

re: #725 redstateredneck

Very good. You get a ding for your Obama chronicle.

Thanks. I wanted to keep a record as all this stuff will fade in memory as the level of static and screw-ups will be high.

Seeing the details as they go down will make a better impression of just how dicked up this guy is.

742 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:20:59am

Friday morning joke time...

Q) What's the difference between Jesus and Obama?

A) Jesus could assemble a cabinet.

743 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:21:14am

re: #729 Iron Fist
Totally true. The repubs can't get out of their own way or the foot out of their mouth.

744 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:21:19am

re: #686 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

The Life and Death Race Against Time
Time for the new bumper sticker- better active on Iran today than radioactive tomorrow.

There is some defense against cruise missiles; there is even work being done to detect stealthy cruise missiles. (Some of the airborne radar systems whose names I don't remember are being given this capability, but those aren't ready)

The regular ones can be shot down with antiaircraft weapons, IF you know to look for them.

But I wouldn't count on all this; the best thing to do is stop Iran first.

And if Iran does get nuclear weapons, 0bama will have to share the blame with Bush, Rice, Gates, and Olmert, along with Russia and China.

I still think that the US should have pushed for the ability for anyone Iran nukes to get compensation from those entities that enabled Iran to get the bomb. And if, for example, Russia fought that idea, we could point out that if they really believe the Iranian nuclear program is peaceful, they have nothing to worry about, and if do believe Iran is developing weapons, they are a legitimate target for nuclear retaliation.

745 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:22:12am

re: #716 pingjockey

All we need is someone who can state conservative principles in language the unenlightened can understand. Limited gov't, strong military, capitalistic principles.


I was thinking about that this morning. The greatest generation was raised prior to FDR and his govt. giveaway programs and as such learned to be very self sufficient out of necessity. Now we have the octuplet mom looking at million dollar homes after it was revealed they were being evicted from their existing home because they are $23,000 in arrears. Since the FDR days we have learned to become govt. dependent babies. And until we get rid of those types of programs we never will. Obama is only going for more and more and the people are trading their rights and responsibility for the chance to suckle off the govt. teat. I don't really know if anyone can ever win an election on conservative values anymore.

746 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:22:17am

re: #737 Ford_Prefect

like the new avatar.

747 Killer Tomato  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:22:18am

re: #738 redstateredneck

And who the f*ck pays for this? Get real!

Hey! It's not MY idea!
(take a guess who pays)

748 pingjockey  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:22:34am

Later folks. It is Friday, so try to enjoy it!

749 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:22:37am

re: #736 Iron Fist

It says something when the Russians are to the right of the motherfuckers that are ruining running America.

Yup. When the former KGB guy says "Socialism? Oh lord, don't do that!"

Some eyes should open up...

/but don't worry, Barry will lead from the center. Twits.

750 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:23:06am

re: #737 Ford_Prefect

Hey HH. Did you realize that site is for Moms who have lost their husbands? Are you trying to tell me something?


Just prepping her with links..LOL .I know that site..but will have to look at bookmarks on her computer and let you know what other ones she goes too.. I know marineparents.com is good but that probably doesn't interest her..

751 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:23:18am

re: #746 smokefire

like the new avatar.

Thanks. Just five more days until the first spring training game!

752 ilzito guacamolito  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:23:26am

re: #734 Ford_Prefect

Sometimes you are able to find topic specific sites be it for a specific affliction or behavior, etc. where you get more interaction with people who genuinely want to help. Then, however, you are jumping around all over the place. But you are right that most are just to let people vent and leave.

753 jcw46  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:23:30am

re: #656 realwest

Good morning HY! Hope you're well today! But what do you mean? Those are surveillance cameras of PUBLIC areas - if a cop sees you doing something wrong he can bust your ass; the camera's just make it easier for the police to do the policing.

Ah the old "if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear" comment to a concern about police surveilance. Only problem is when they move the "goal posts" and change what is legal to illegal. Think anyone else's gonna put an "abort Obama" bumper sticker on their car anytime soon? That's suppression by intimidation. Hey it would make things "easier" for the police if they could put a locator chip in your head or a camera(s) in your house too. (just carrying the thought out to the extremes, which is what COULD happen). Don't mean anything personal, just that I have a problem with police watching everything and everybody in the name of "convenience" but then I kinda took "1984" and "Animal Farm" a little bit too much to heart maybe.

Sorry, to have to make a drive-by comment; I've got to go.
See ya'll later.

754 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:23:56am

Bill Press is on Laura Ingram right now.

755 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:24:21am

re: #750 HoosierHoops

Just prepping her with links..LOL .I know that site..but will have to look at bookmarks on her computer and let you know what other ones she goes too.. I know marineparents.com is good but that probably doesn't interest her..

OK, your wife is going to that site? Maybe she is trying to tell you something.

756 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:24:38am

More Hopenchange needed over here,

North Korea is operating a secret underground plant to make nuclear bombs from highly enriched uranium (HEU) despite denying that such a programme exists, a South Korean newspaper said Wednesday.

Dong-A Ilbo, quoting an unnamed senior government source, said South Korea and the United States have shared intelligence on the plant in Yongbyon district.

What do you suppose Hillary is talking about with her South Korean hosts?

757 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:24:45am

re: #747 Killer Tomato

Hey! It's not MY idea!
(take a guess who pays)

LOL! Imagine the bureaucracy that would create. That in itself would cost more than any revenue the use tax would generate.

758 aussiemagpie  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:24:59am

re: #721 redstateredneck

Me, too. Going to the grocery store is the hight point of my social life. I do all my visiting there.

It's amazing what you can hear during a trip down the aisle :-)

I liked your comment about not being interested in sitting around with other mums talking about kids...I was like that too

Not all day anyway

759 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:25:29am
760 Irish Rose  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:25:46am

re: #742 Yankee Division Son

Friday morning joke time...

Q) What's the difference between Jesus and Obama?

A) Jesus could assemble a cabinet.

LOL

761 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:26:05am

re: #751 Ford_Prefect

I see that the western part of CT got 8 inches of snow. Breaks my heart.

762 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:26:47am

re: #730 FrogMarch

You may have already heard this, but I read an article on the Denver Post the other day (I was just looking for the link, can't find it now) that was going through a list of about 20-25 budget items the state wants to cut.

Interesting, but the legislature will be taking no cuts and it's budget will stand.

Republicans, Democrats, the citizens of this country are getting screwed royally. This is not a party thing, this is a government, from the local, state and federal levels, that has taken the constitution of this country and thrown it in the trash.

Your tea is in the harbor, sir.

763 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:26:58am

link: [Link: informationdissemination.blogspot.com...]

764 Northern Bandit  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:27:33am

re: #745 soxfan4life

Nobody would win on a pure conservative ticket because pure conservatism is a pipe dream.

How many conversations have I been in where my interlocutor espoused something like: starve the government of tax revenue! Let us run our own lives! etc. etc.

Fine, as far as it goes. But who pays for the largest, most powerful military in world history, huh? Private enterprise?

Can't have it both ways.

765 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:27:46am

Q) What's the difference between Jesus and Obama?

A) Jesus could assemble a cabinet.

that was not crooked

766 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:28:15am

re: #752 ilzito guacamolito

Yeah, it's not like with political sites where there is always something new and controvercial to discuss. I think she just wants to find something that would interest her since I mention lgf often. She may by SOL in that regard as far as parenting goes.

767 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:28:22am

re: #718 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Age of Obama, part 2

14 Feb 09

20) Obama sends a bust of Winston Churchill back to Britian. It was given as a gift to the US after 9/11. British diplomats are agast.

16 Feb 09

21) Pakistan surrenders to the Taliban in NW Pakistan and imposes sharia law to placate the Taliban occupiers.

19 Feb 09

22) Putin warns Obama not to “try Socialism” citing the Russian experience. It’s really something when the KGB guy has to tell you it doesn’t work

Thanks! Posts 715 and 718 are now in my favorites.

768 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:28:25am

re: #755 Ford_Prefect

OK, your wife is going to that site? Maybe she is trying to tell you something.


I'm more worried about the site.. How_I_Killed_The_Hooster_and _never_got_Caught.. If we ever get a pool boy he'll have to be a part time food taster also.
/

769 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:28:47am

re: #742 Yankee Division Son

Friday morning joke time...

Q) What's the difference between Jesus and Obama?

A) Jesus could assemble a cabinet.

..Susan Sarandon says: "Obama is a community organizer, like Jesus was, and now we're a community, and he can organize us."

please - shoot me.

770 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:29:37am

re: #761 smokefire

I see that the western part of CT got 8 inches of snow. Breaks my heart.

Nothing where I live, but 20 miles west, where I work, they got about an inch. Someone who lives further west told me he couldn't get into his car this morning because it had frozen shut.

771 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:29:38am

re: #767 Ward Cleaver

Thanks!

772 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:30:27am
773 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:30:33am

re: #727 Walter L. Newton

Do you have some sort of link to this incident?

Yes, I'd like to see links associated with each of those points. So when I need to send it to my Dem friends...

774 Killer Tomato  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:30:41am

re: #762 Walter L. Newton

Your tea is in the harbor, sir.

I will most assuredly be borrowing that.

775 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:31:05am

re: #733 realwest
I'm all for that. My point is, we've heard that before. The contract with America worked, because they laid out a plan beforehand in great detail. They were elected overwhelmingly (thanks, clenis) and then did what they say they would do. I will give them the benefit of the doubt, but if they can't articulate why its important to America to be fiscally responsible, then they need to stay in the minority. People will not vote for democrat light, when they can have the real thing.

776 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:31:25am

re: #769 FrogMarch

..Susan Sarandon says: "Obama is a community organizer, like Jesus was, and now we're a community, and he can organize us."

please - shoot me.

me too.

How can Godless persons [ie. Hollyweirds]
bring up Jesus and God in reference to Obama.

777 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:31:25am

777?

778 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:31:40am

re: #777 Ward Cleaver

777?

Woo-hoo!

779 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:32:20am

re: #777 Ward Cleaver

777?

it's the new 666
(hey ,, if 50 can be the new 30,, why not!?!?!)

780 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:32:22am

re: #776 smokefire

me too.

How can Godless persons [ie. Hollyweirds]
bring up Jesus and God in reference to Obama.

The only thing I ever liked about her was seeing her nekkid in The Hunger.

781 ilzito guacamolito  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:32:31am

re: #766 Ford_Prefect

Besides, today's touchy feely PC way of raising/educating kids scares the Hades out of me. THAT you will find ad nauseum on the internet.

782 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:32:36am

anyone catch jeb bush on fox and friends with steve doocy? that was pretty funny..... matt lauer is spitting his coffee

783 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:32:37am

re: #779 sattv4u2

it's the new 666
(hey ,, if 50 can be the new 30,, why not!?!?!)

Upding!

784 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:32:47am

re: #776 smokefire

me too.

How can Godless persons [ie. Hollyweirds]
bring up Jesus and God in reference to Obama.

They only do it when they think it helps with their argument.

785 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:32:49am
786 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:33:28am

re: #780 Ward Cleaver

The only thing I ever liked about her was seeing her nekkid in The Hunger.

In that I've never seen that movie, that leaves me with NOTHING I've ever liked about her !

787 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:33:38am

re: #770 Ford_Prefect

I heard that Woodbury and Southbury got about 8 inches, but no confirmation.

788 Syrah  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:33:49am

re: #778 Ward Cleaver

Woo-hoo!

Can you help me out with tonight's Lotto drawing?

789 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:33:55am

re: #762 Walter L. Newton

Our state legislature is dominated by Democrats. CO is no longer a red state - at all. While it's fair to blame both parties for this mess, the Democrat party is the party actively seeking the socialist "uncle Nanny" state - and fast.

790 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:34:11am

re: #776 smokefire

me too.

How can Godless persons [ie. Hollyweirds]
bring up Jesus and God in reference to Obama.

let's cap THEIR salaries.

791 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:34:11am

Megyn Kelly is slapping down Bill Hemmer on FNC right now.
It is about the Octuplet Mom & comparative responsibilty.
Hemmer thinks that the Doctor is pretty much the culprit .
Megyn blame the mother mostly, saying the the mother is supposed to protect children , not just recklessley increase the brood. She does not excuse the doctor, but puts most balme on the mother.
I agree with her.

792 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:34:14am

Out of here... gotta go support our glorious leader's wonderful collective.

Praise be to the 5 year plan, komeraden!

793 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:34:23am

re: #787 smokefire

I heard that Woodbury and Southbury got about 8 inches, but no confirmation.

I'd say they were . . . buried. [rimshot]

794 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:34:23am

re: #781 ilzito guacamolito

Besides, today's touchy feely PC way of raising/educating kids scares the Hades out of me. THAT you will find ad nauseum on the internet.

And on the Today Show.

In case you people haven't noticed I am not a big fan of the Today Show.

795 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:34:25am

re: #786 sattv4u2

In that I've never seen that movie, that leaves me with NOTHING I've ever liked about her !

Catherine Deneueve was nekkid in it, too. Two stars.

796 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:34:44am

More signs Geert Wilders is going to hook up with vlaams belang

Mr Wilders also wants to see national parliaments given a veto over European legislation. Co-operation with other hard-right and anti-immigrant parties such as the Danish People's Party or the Flemish separatist Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest), which currently tops the polls in Flanders, is expected but Mr Wilders has ruled out working with outright fascist parties such as France's Front National or the British National Party.

Bummer.

797 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:34:54am

re: #787 smokefire

I heard that Woodbury and Southbury got about 8 inches, but no confirmation.

I heard 8" in Washington, CT.

798 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:34:57am

re: #788 Syrah

Can you help me out with tonight's Lotto drawing?

yes I can. Don't buy any tickets!

(there ,,, you're already ahead that much money!)

799 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:35:00am

re: #774 Killer Tomato

I will most assuredly be borrowing that.

Please click on my name, see my email address and add 5 dollars to my PayPal account. I am a professional blog poster and that's how I make my living, creating witty and profound verbiage for those less verbose.

/////// :)

800 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:35:03am

re: #764 Northern Bandit

Nobody would win on a pure conservative ticket because pure conservatism is a pipe dream.

How many conversations have I been in where my interlocutor espoused something like: starve the government of tax revenue! Let us run our own lives! etc. etc.

Fine, as far as it goes. But who pays for the largest, most powerful military in world history, huh? Private enterprise?

Can't have it both ways.

I'm not advocating starving the govt. of tax revenue, but until they break the people of their dependency on govt to provide sustinence as well as a living we will never fully recover. Of course we need to pay for defense as well as interstate highways and the like, but the social engineering programs enacted by FDR and LBJ need to be scaled down and eventually phased out altogether as they are ponzi schemes on a greater scale than Madoff ever dreamed of. Once we become self sufficient manufacturing and agriculturally we need to work at maintaining those levels and the welfare programs will be unneccessary.

801 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:35:37am

re: #777 Ward Cleaver

777?


Here's your prize money.

802 aussiemagpie  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:35:47am

Goodnight {everyone} and have a wonderful yesterday!

Tonight's view of OZ for you

Western Australia - where today's temp in Perth will be 36C or about 102F :-)

803 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:36:27am

re: #797 Ford_Prefect

I heard 8" in Washington, CT.

Whats that, a title to a new porn flick?

804 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:36:46am

re: #776 smokefire

me too.

How can Godless persons [ie. Hollyweirds]
bring up Jesus and God in reference to Obama.

They can't believe in spiritual beings, but they have the need for one, so they attach to a person.

805 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:36:47am

re: #802 aussiemagpie

Nighty-night, {aussie}!

806 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:36:48am

re: #789 FrogMarch

Our state legislature is dominated by Democrats. CO is no longer a red state - at all. While it's fair to blame both parties for this mess, the Democrat party is the party actively seeking the socialist "uncle Nanny" state - and fast.

Well of course. But let's see how many Republicans vote this in, it's their salaries and expenses too.

How much you wanna bet there is not opposition to it from any side (except maybe citizens).

807 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:36:49am

re: #776 smokefire

me too.

How can Godless persons [ie. Hollyweirds]
bring up Jesus and God in reference to Obama.

Because they are ivory tower dwelling a-holes.

808 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:36:51am

re: #799 Walter L. Newton

Please click on my name, see my email address and add 5 dollars to my PayPal account. I am a professional blog poster and that's how I make my living, creating witty and profound verbiage for those less verbose.

/////// :)

No wonder you're having money problems.

//Ha! Kidding!

809 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:36:56am

re: #797 Ford_Prefect

..........that's up there in the "foothills" of Berkshires. Yeah I can see that amount up there. Better them than us out here in the Northeast corner.

810 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:37:15am

Mystery in the desert

IAEA inspectors are finding traces of graphite and uranium at a site alleged to have been a nuclear facility that was bombed by Israel in 2007. The ambiguous, almost teasing quality of the IAEA is consistent with the agency’s style. It never finds enough to convict but always enough to remain suspicious.

...Jane’s analysts said that al-Safir was among the most significant chemical weapons production, storage and weaponisation sites in Syria. “Its presence indicates Syria’s desire to develop unconventional weapons either to act as a deterrent to conflict with Israel or as a force enhancer should any conflict ensue,” said Christian LeMière, editor of JIR. “Further expansion of al-Safir is likely to antagonise Israel and highlight mutual mistrust, even as peace talks between the two neighbours progress intermittently.

...The front-loaded, bolt from the blue strike on Syria can retrospectively be understood as an Israeli message, delivered with tacit US support, that it would not tolerate a rival nuclear weapons power in the region. Israel served notice, by pulverizing the facility, that it regards this as an existential threat. The future significance of that fact lies in that, as Iran edges closer to developing its bomb, that it brings the region closer to that invisible tripwire. The inference is that if an Israeli response to Iran comes, it may arrive without warning.

811 Miss Trixie  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:37:19am

ploome

Typical mom.

redstateskank - Hiya toots! Yes we survived and you wouldn't BELIEVE the adoration on the airwaves, newsprint and the brainwashed boobs in the elevator.

You'd think it was the Second Coming or sumpin' ...

Oh. Wait ...

*rolls eyes*

812 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:37:24am

re: #764 Northern Bandit


Too bad conservatism works each time its tried. Revenue to the treasury increased after tax cuts with kennedy, Reagan, and Bush. Chainsaw out wasteful spending from that bloated leviathan called government, and you'd have plenty of money to expand DoD.

813 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:37:33am

re: #806 Walter L. Newton

Well of course. But let's see how many Republicans vote this in, it's their salaries and expenses too.

How much you wanna bet there is not opposition to it from any side (except maybe citizens).

Keep an eye on it. However, If the republicans do not have the votes, it matters little.

814 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:37:53am

re: #744 Kosh's Shadow

Yes a stinger missile can probably bring down a cruise missile- problem is, you have to be ready for any attack AND the missile can't fail AND it helps to have the right angle of attack on it- it is my understanding that stingers prefer a side on or rear quarter angle for best results. They have limited range so you have to have a wall of them, you start by saying yes we can intercept but somewhere between the response time and any gaps in the wall and some might get through. We have some ballistic defense and that is good, but the best defense will always be preventing or deterring launch, if you are dealing with an enemy that cannot be deterred, that ipso facto means military intervention of some kind.

With the North Koreas, Irans and Venezuelas of this world (wanna bet comrade Hugo is thinking nuclear?) you have erratic untrustworthy leadership with proven track records of unstable behavior (Chavez a little less so). The Russians were almost always measurable and predictable in their Soviet days, even then, there were moments. We have no hotlines to Pyongyang or Tehran, quite the opposite, you have reclusive regimes who cannot be trusted or predicted. Only China keeps the North Koreans in check, there are no checks on Iran. Did mention about 10 of the 911 hijackers came through Iran to attack the US, Iran offered the Brits to stop killing their soldiers for a free pass on their nuke program and Iran sponsors Hezbollah and shelters al Qaeda AND killed about 1000 Americans over the last 30 years? There is only one way to deal with such folks.

815 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:37:54am

re: #804 Kosh's Shadow

They can't believe in spiritual beings, but they have the need for one, so they attach to a person.

updinged,,, Human Nature!

816 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:38:02am

re: #786 sattv4u2

In that I've never seen that movie, that leaves me with NOTHING I've ever liked about her !

Sarandon was not bad in Bull Durham. I think the movie is over rated though & Field of Dreams is better, which is way off of topic.

817 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:38:13am

re: #806 Walter L. Newton

Well of course. But let's see how many Republicans vote this in, it's their salaries and expenses too.

How much you wanna bet there is not opposition to it from any side (except maybe citizens).

That has never mattered to any of them. In fact lately they worry more about illegals even.

818 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:38:40am

re: #810 Kenneth

Mystery in the desert

The mystery is that the IAEA is even there.

819 Northern Bandit  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:38:48am

re: #800 soxfan4life

Unfortunately we're pretty much in total agreement (I was hoping for a debats :-) )

Reagan hit the REWIND button just in time.

Who will be the next man or woman up to the task of hitting REWIND?

820 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:38:49am

re: #692 jcw46
Ah, no, I sincerely doubt that Michael Steele is part of the problem. I've exhanged two e-mails with him (and not received "form" responses, either) and he said to me he can't force someone to remove the (R) after their name (in response to my bitching about Specter, Collins and Snowe [btw,iirc Specter and Collins are both up for re-election in 2010] and in the other - where I suggested some things the GOP could do to enhance it's chances of winning back control of at least one house of Congress, his reponse was to the effect that he's spending about half his time raising money for the RNC and the other half spotting House seats (like the one that was held by the Dem in an overwhelmingly Republic district in NYS who is gonna take Hillary's seat in the Senate) and those where certain "R"s should need to face a real primary fight.
I don't think Mr. Steele is part of the problem at all and that asshole Glen Beck did take Steele's words out of context - saw the entire video. And from reports I have received from others in the know, Mr. Steele has an incredibly long memory.

821 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:39:30am

re: #807 FrogMarch

could not have said it better myself

822 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:39:31am

re: #799 Walter L. Newton

Please click on my name, see my email address and add 5 dollars to my PayPal account. I am a professional blog poster and that's how I make my living, creating witty and profound verbiage for those less verbose.

/////// :)

Verbose, didn't they used to put those on the back of freight trains?


/s

823 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:39:40am

Obama's mortgage relief plan in a nutshell: rewarding deadbeats and punishing responsibility. He's going to help out those who lived beyond their means, while those who managed their risk get nothing except the bill to pay for all this.

His plan actually makes housing less affordable to all homeowners and prospective buyers because prices will not be able to correct via the foreclosure mechanism as they otherwise are currently. He's going to shortcircuit the market to "help" keep people in homes that have no business being in their homes in the first place.

Oh, and it doesn't help those who are being forced from their homes because they can no longer afford the taxes imposed by the municipalities and states that are scrambling for more tax revenues.

Besides, only 7% of the nation is facing a distressed mortgage or is in foreclosure. The rest of us are making our payments on time, own their homes outright, or are renting.

824 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:40:21am

'Kick Me' Diplomacy
By Charles Krauthammer


WASHINGTON -- The Biden prophecy has come to pass. Our wacky veep, momentarily inspired, had predicted last October that "it will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama." Biden probably had in mind an eve-of-the-apocalypse drama like the Cuban Missile Crisis. Instead, Obama's challenges have come in smaller bites. Some are deliberate threats to U.S. interests, others mere probes to ascertain whether the new president has any spine.

Preliminary X-rays are not very encouraging.

Laugh. And cry.

825 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:40:22am

re: #813 FrogMarch

Keep an eye on it. However, If the republicans do not have the votes, it matters little.

What do you mean "it matters little?" It matters to me to see a conservative take a stand no matter what the outcome is. Sorry for getting a little loud there, I guess I'm expecting too much.

826 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:41:11am

re: #819 Northern Bandit

Unfortunately we're pretty much in total agreement (I was hoping for a debats :-) )

Reagan hit the REWIND button just in time.

Who will be the next man or woman up to the task of hitting REWIND?


I thought about running for office, the problem is I'm too fiscally conservative to be a Republican, so what could I do?

827 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:41:52am

re: #704 {Miss Trixie} Hi there gorgeous! *Smooches* back to you! Did you go to see Obama or at least throw some shoes at him, or did you do what ordinary, good Canadians do - go to work to support your government?!

828 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:41:55am

re: #818 Walter L. Newton

The IAEA is there to clean up and dissemble for the Syrians.

829 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:42:02am

re: #823 lawhawk

So while my 401(k) is tanking, my real estate assets are losing value so I'm pretty much f*cked as far as retirement goes. I gotta work til I die.

830 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:42:08am

re: #826 soxfan4life

the problem is I'm too fiscally conservative to be a Republican,

Sad commentary on the current state of affairs of the Republican party.

831 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:42:16am

re: #823 lawhawk

Besides, only 7% of the nation is facing a distressed mortgage or is in foreclosure. The rest of us are making our payments on time, own their homes outright, or are renting.

Actually, it's only 7% of homes that have mortgages are distressed or in some stage of foreclosure. the numbers have nothing to do with those that own outright or those that rent

832 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:42:21am

re: #820 realwest

I am curious, real, what's your beef with Glen Beck? I don't always agree with him, but I do find him entertaining.

833 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:42:45am

Another Huge Spending Bill Planned For Next Week

Here we go again! House Republicans are bracing for another onslaught of out-of-control Democrat-authored spending as the omnibus bill is expected to hit the floor of the House as early as next week.

And it’ll be yet another spending bill House Republicans and the American people have not yet been allowed to see and the Democrats haven’t even bothered to read. As if the $1.2 trillion Democrats spent on “stimulus” last week wasn’t enough of a disaster, this colossal bill encompasses the remaining nine appropriations bills for fiscal year 2009 sloughed off by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).

House minority leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) called upon the Speaker Thursday to release the voluminous spending bill online without delay. “If Democratic leaders plan to schedule a vote on the half-trillion dollar omnibus spending bill next week, they should post the legislation online immediately so the American people have adequate time to read the measure and understand what is in it,” Boehner said. “My colleagues in the Republican leadership and I made this request two weeks ago, and to date, our request has gone unanswered. Time is running short, and American taxpayers deserve to know how their hard-earned tax dollars will be used under this legislation.”

Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), the House Republican Conference chairman, joined Boehner in asking again - apparently in vain -- for an open process from the secretive Democrat leadership this time around. “More than two weeks ago, House Republicans called on Speaker Pelosi to post online the text of the upcoming half-trillion dollar ‘omnibus’ spending bill, bringing it out of the shadows and before the American people,” Pence said. “So far, that call has gone unanswered. Democrats continue to spend the people’s money in secret. I renew my call for Speaker Pelosi and Chairman Obey to immediately post the text of this bill online, and allow the American people an opportunity to see how their tax dollars are being spent. As we recently learned, legislation negotiated in secret produces bad public policy. This can be avoided. We need to reopen the appropriations process to the American public.”

834 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:43:18am

re: #825 Walter L. Newton

What do you mean "it matters little?" It matters to me to see a conservative take a stand no matter what the outcome is. Sorry for getting a little loud there, I guess I'm expecting too much.

I love it when Republicans find their spine, (a rare occurrence) but even when/if they do find their spine and take a stand, it matters little when they don't have enough seats (votes) to stop outrageous budgets and legislation.

835 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:43:19am

re: #816 opnion

Sarandon was not bad in Bull Durham. I think the movie is over rated though & Field of Dreams is better, which is way off of topic.

It's an open thread. There's never anything off topic here. Not that we stick to a topic in most threads anyway.

836 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:43:27am

It looks like the cops broke up the student occupation at NYU last night.

837 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:43:27am

re: #827 realwest

Hey, {real}, if I say Hi do I get smooches, too? I'm feeling like the red-headed stepchild over here.

838 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:43:31am

re: #831 sattv4u2

That's an even smaller number but I got my figures from here.

My full post is here.

839 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:44:29am

re: #832 Ford_Prefect

If I may jump in here. Beck is not too bad, although I think he is way to full of himself, and does get carried away in some of his rants. His histrionics occasionally make him too over the top.

Just one persons opinion.

840 midwestgak  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:44:39am

Obama addressing US mayors at the White House. Head looking side to side. Teleprompter in place. Singing mayor Daley's praises. And the mayor of Hawaii. seesh.

841 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:44:53am

Stock market continuing it's post-Obama election drop.

842 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:44:58am

its

843 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:45:01am

re: #786 sattv4u2

In that I've never seen that movie, that leaves me with NOTHING I've ever liked about her !

She played Reggie in that one movie she was a lawyer.. was it called witness or something like that? Pretty good movie with Tommy Lee Jones.

844 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:45:03am

re: #719 Iron Fist
Hey my friend! Did you get my e-mail from last night?!

845 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:45:08am

re: #823 lawhawk

Can he kick out the people who are now living in my house? My house got foreclosed on 3 years ago, far and square. I lost a high paying job, a wife, and a pickup truck... (wait, nix on the pickup, some damn tune was running through my head.)

I want Obama to kick who ever is living in MY house out, put me back in it and help me get a mortgage I can afford. Hell, why am I any different than other people who can't or couldn't afford to make their mortgage payments on time.

I want, I want, I want, I want, I want, I want, I want...

/s :)/sarcasm/satire/funny/kidding/never mind

846 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:45:32am

re: #814 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Yes, MAD worked against the Russians, because their leaders didn't want to lose their nice dachas and country full of slaves.
Doesn't work for Iran, where their religion welcomes "martyrdom".
North Korea will probably just hide their program better, slowing it a bit, in return for money. Eventually, though, they intend to have a bomb.
Of course, the way they're going, there might not be much of a country left for them to "protect" with one.

I certainly agree that taking out the nuclear programs is the only suitable way to go. There are too many delivery systems to contain Iran if they get bombs.
(Long and short range ballistic missiles launched from the country or ship; cruise missiles; aircraft (including civilian - imagine a 9/11 with nuclear bombs in the cargo hold); container ships; trucks; donkey carts; etc.)

I had wanted to point out there are defenses against cruise missiles, since you said (or I thought you said) there weren't any. We could even use aircraft to shoot them down.

847 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:45:37am

re: #833 NJDhockeyfan

Another Huge Spending Bill Planned For Next Week

All you need to know is when Bush cut taxes and increased spending it was bad. But when the One does it, it is good. I wish President Obama would explain to me about the failed policies of the last 8 years. He seems headed down the exact same path.

848 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:46:14am

re: #802 aussiemagpie

Goodnight {everyone} and have a wonderful yesterday!

Tonight's view of OZ for you

Western Australia - where today's temp in Perth will be 36C or about 102F :-)

Cool, like August here in Dallas. Time to jump in the pool.

849 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:46:14am

re: #819 Northern Bandit

Unfortunately we're pretty much in total agreement (I was hoping for a debats :-) )

Reagan hit the REWIND button just in time.

Who will be the next man or woman up to the task of hitting REWIND?

And how easy will it be to rewind with a nuclear hole in the tape?

850 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:46:18am

re: #840 midwestgak

Obama addressing US mayors at the White House. Head looking side to side. Teleprompter in place. Singing mayor Daley's praises. And the mayor of Hawaii. seesh.

Did he get on his knees and kiss Daley's ring yet?

851 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:46:20am

re: #843 HoosierHoops

She played Reggie in that one movie she was a lawyer.. was it called witness or something like that? Pretty good movie with Tommy Lee Jones.

It was one of those John Grisham novels made into a movie.

852 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:46:27am

re: #823 lawhawk

If I understand the mortgage bail out plan correctly, nine million homeowners that are not making payments will get help.
HUD admits that five million loans made under the Community Reivestment Act were to illegal aliens. So taxpayers will be forced to give cash to give or take five million non-citizens. Oh Brave New World.

853 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:47:00am

re: #838 lawhawk

That's an even smaller number but I got my figures from here.

My full post is here.

The pie chart buttresses my post, I think. 59% of Americans either own outright or rent. 40% have mortgages of which 2% are in foreclosure and 5% in arears

854 Northern Bandit  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:47:25am

re: #826 soxfan4life

Fiscal conservatism emerges of necessity. Four more years of Carter would have steered the US (and therefor much of the world) into ruin.

I'm Canadian. I've seen first-hand how these policies play out "in the lab". In the early 1990s the province of Ontario elected a left-wing premier very similar to Obama. Within his four year mandate he managed to reduce Ontario from an AAA bond rating to a diminished A (they don't rate states or quasi states below A). In other words he single-handedly collapsed the economy. Almost 30 years later Ontario is starting to recover.

Here's the lesson:

1. Building a viable economy takes decades.

2. An elected socialist can undo 20 years of progress in 6 weeks

855 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:47:33am

re: #839 smokefire

I would agree with that. The thing to remember with him is that he is a commentator. If you are using someone like him, or O'Reilly or even Rush, as your source for the news then you are going to get a very slanted view.

856 UFO TOFU  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:47:51am

re: #801 redstateredneck

That johnny burrito website says it's a member of Ring Of Fire, websites specializing in all foods hot.
Ring Of Fire is sponsored by Net Relief Consulting.

Ouch.

857 jwb7605  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:47:53am

Bill Ayers coming to CU to defend Ward Churchill on eve of trial

This might get interesting.

858 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:47:58am

The Qur'an CHALLENGE!


Youtube Video
859 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:48:41am

re: #851 redstateredneck

It was one of those John Grisham novels made into a movie.

The Client

860 midwestgak  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:48:48am

re: #850 Honorary Yooper

Did he get on his knees and kiss Daley's ring yet?

Not yet, but it's still early. He is speaking about the gloom and doom that only the "recovery plan" can fix.

The plan will saved or create 3.5 million jobs. How can he possibly know that?

861 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:48:53am

re: #856 UFO TOFU

:-)

862 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:49:13am

re: #857 jwb7605

Bill Ayers coming to CU to defend Ward Churchill on eve of trial

This might get interesting.

Gonna need a big bucket of popcorn for that that.

863 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:49:24am

re: #859 Alouette

The Client

Yeah...I was wanting to say The Witness but that's a different movie all together.

864 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:49:32am

re: #843 HoosierHoops

She played Reggie in that one movie she was a lawyer.. was it called witness or something like that? Pretty good movie with Tommy Lee Jones.

"The Client". A John Grisham book. After reading the book, the movie was a yawner, IMHO

865 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:49:34am

re: #835 Honorary Yooper

It's an open thread. There's never anything off topic here. Not that we stick to a topic in most threads anyway.


No, I intend to stay on topic. Yeah ,the straight & narrow for me .
On topic baby! So speaking of the Abominable Snowman..........

866 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:49:38am

re: #854 Northern Bandit

Fiscal conservatism emerges of necessity. Four more years of Carter would have steered the US (and therefor much of the world) into ruin.

I'm Canadian. I've seen first-hand how these policies play out "in the lab". In the early 1990s the province of Ontario elected a left-wing premier very similar to Obama. Within his four year mandate he managed to reduce Ontario from an AAA bond rating to a diminished A (they don't rate states or quasi states below A). In other words he single-handedly collapsed the economy. Almost 30 years later Ontario is starting to recover.

Here's the lesson:

1. Building a viable economy takes decades.

2. An elected socialist can undo 20 years of progress in 6 weeks

Just to update your info, Obama did it in just over 4 weeks.

867 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:49:56am
868 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:50:27am

re: #855 Ford_Prefect

I would agree with that. The thing to remember with him is that he is a commentator. If you are using someone like him, or O'Reilly or even Rush, as your source for the news then you are going to get a very slanted view.

.....................just a voice here, but, granted O'Reilly and Rush are commentators, but you would have to agree that the MSM's take on news is also very slanted, so you have to take both views and look for middle ground.

869 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:50:32am

re: #850 Honorary Yooper

Did he get on his knees and kiss Daley's ring yet?

I'm still pissed off about Meigs Field.

870 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:50:39am

re: #823 lawhawk

Obama's mortgage relief plan in a nutshell: rewarding deadbeats and punishing responsibility. He's going to help out those who lived beyond their means, while those who managed their risk get nothing except the bill to pay for all this.

His plan actually makes housing less affordable to all homeowners and prospective buyers because prices will not be able to correct via the foreclosure mechanism as they otherwise are currently. He's going to shortcircuit the market to "help" keep people in homes that have no business being in their homes in the first place.

Oh, and it doesn't help those who are being forced from their homes because they can no longer afford the taxes imposed by the municipalities and states that are scrambling for more tax revenues.

Besides, only 7% of the nation is facing a distressed mortgage or is in foreclosure. The rest of us are making our payments on time, own their homes outright, or are renting.

it is going to become increasingly more difficult for responsible people to understand and accept this b.s. from O, even those who voted for him will get tired of being robbed because they are industrious and their neighbors are not.
"spread the wealth around" is not going to feel good to many citizens, once they feel it in their pocket books.

871 Russkilitlover  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:50:44am

Wheeeeeee! Now the Republican Transportation Secretary seriously is considering taxing our miles driven.

Hopenchangehopenchangehopenchange!

(I'd link, but am already late for a meeting. It's on MSN.)

872 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:50:46am

Eliot Cohen, John Bolton & others in a discussion of foreign policy & the state department, makes this interesting comment:

I participated in one episode where I was astounded that everything was kept entirely secret, and this was the North Korean nuclear reactor in Syria. No matter what you think about the policy outcome, and there was a lot of very severe disagreement about whether we should take that thing out ourselves, we should try some sort of diplomatic overture, and in the end of the course, we decided simply, or the President decided simply to be quiet and let the Israelis do it. There was real debate. There was real disagreement. There was a small deputies’ committee. There were no leaks, which astounded all of us. This was argued out among the principals and with the president, and the president made the decision.

It's stated as a given: the Syria target was a North Korean reactor.

873 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:50:51am
874 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:51:06am

re: #864 sattv4u2

"The Client". A John Grisham book. After reading the book, the movie was a yawner, IMHO


The book is always better than the movie. The actors never look like the way you picture the characters and it just doesn't seem right.

875 vxbush  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:51:24am

Late to the party again, I am. I just must fix my watch boss....

876 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:51:30am
877 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:51:30am

re: #871 Russkilitlover

Wheeeeeee! Now the Republican Transportation Secretary seriously is considering taxing our miles driven.

Hopenchangehopenchangehopenchange!

(I'd link, but am already late for a meeting. It's on MSN.)

Fucking RINO, the kind of "Republican" Obama likes.

878 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:51:33am

re: #851 redstateredneck

It was one of those John Grisham novels made into a movie.

The Rainmaker is my favorite Grisham movie..

879 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:52:00am

re: #857 jwb7605

Bill Ayers coming to CU to defend Ward Churchill on eve of trial

This might get interesting.

Bil Terrorist Ayers, makes my blood boil. I might just have to get off my butt and protest.

880 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:52:11am

re: #860 midwestgak

Not yet, but it's still early. He is speaking about the gloom and doom that only the "recovery plan" can fix.

The plan will saved or create 3.5 million jobs. How can he possibly know that?

How do you verify the saved jobs?

881 NukeAtomrod  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:52:17am

re: #8 gmsc

From Instapundit:

This is scary stuff. I added it to my blog, so my half-dozen readers can be appalled too.

882 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:52:22am

re: #875 vxbush

Late to the party again, I am. I just must fix my watch boss....

Oh, too bad. We just ran out of chocolate!

883 jaunte  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:52:23am

re: #838 lawhawk

That's an even smaller number but I got my figures from here.

My full post is here.

Going home yesterday I listened to Sheila Bair, the head of the FDIC talking on the radio about how important it was to the economy that we all help support home prices, whatever that meant. I don't yell at the radio very often, but I started last night.
[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

884 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:52:23am

re: #863 redstateredneck

Yeah...I was wanting to say The Witness but that's a different movie all together.

Witness is an entirely different movie. Harrison Ford and Kelly McGillis star, and it deals with an Amish boy who was witness to a murder committed by a crooked detective in Philadelphia.

885 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:52:30am

re: #873 taxfreekiller

Feel good Democrat Party loons are not good for man kind.

IMO

Feel good democraps make me feel bad.

886 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:52:39am
887 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:52:58am

It was OK to say "Abort Bush"...

888 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:53:02am

re: #871 Russkilitlover

Wheeeeeee! Now the Republican Transportation Secretary seriously is considering taxing our miles driven.

Hopenchangehopenchangehopenchange!

(I'd link, but am already late for a meeting. It's on MSN.)

they already do that with the gas tax! HELLO!

889 midwestgak  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:53:18am

re: #876 buzzsawmonkey

What about Meigs Field?

He dug up a perfectly good air field in the middle of the night.

890 vxbush  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:54:02am

re: #882 redstateredneck

Oh, too bad. We just ran out of chocolate!

How can you allow that to happen?! Egads! That is grounds for dismissal.

/

891 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:54:06am

re: #878 HoosierHoops

The Rainmaker is my favorite Grisham movie..

Is that the one where the insurance company won't pay up?

892 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:54:07am

Just paid my bi-weekly mortgage payment. That makes me a minority. Can I get a bailout? Nope. I do not qualify.
I work, I pay my bills, I am responsible, and..................oops can't say that.

893 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:54:08am

re: #874 redstateredneck

The book is always better than the movie. The actors never look like the way you picture the characters and it just doesn't seem right.


Not always, IMHO. Some of the Harry Potter ones were better on film. Star Wars also. Nights in Rodanthe,,LOTS of the Ian Fleming (James Bond genre)

894 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:54:32am
895 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:54:42am

re: #886 Iron Fist

Hey, but it's less than two million dollars. Hardly noticible at all with all the billions, and tens of billions the Obamessiah is throwing at the economy.

I am reminded of something I read many years ago. A man trained a monkey to throw fruit at a plywood target. After a while, the target became encrusted with old, rotting fruit. He cut one section off it, added a couple of layers of schelack, and entered it in an art show.

Where it won. IIRC, they were fighting to take back the prize they awarded because the "artist" didn't actually do the work. At the time, I saw this as a vary accurate depiction of the problem in the art community as a whole. No real standards, and so simplistic that a trained monkey could do it.

Now, I see it as a metaphore for how the Democrats intend to run the entire country: they'll keep throwing money at the problem until they can make it look like a winner. In reality, it is just a board covered in rotting fruit. Any trained monkey could do as good a job.

Trained monkey? You don't work at the NY Post do you?
Racist!
/kidding

896 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:54:45am

re: #876 buzzsawmonkey

What about Meigs Field?

Daley sent bulldozers there in the middle of the night to tear up the runway, stranding planes there, so he could (illegally) shut down the airport.

Look on this page, and scroll about halfway down.

897 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:55:00am

re: #880 NJDhockeyfan

How do you verify the saved jobs?

If he says so that is all the verification needed by his followers. Complete BS snowjob and some just suck it right up and want more.

898 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:55:27am

re: #880 NJDhockeyfan

How do you verify the saved jobs?

Identify a company that had no or few lay-offs and say "See, without this stimulu package they would have had to lay off THOUSANDS"

899 jwb7605  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:55:32am

re: #879 FrogMarch

Bil Terrorist Ayers, makes my blood boil. I might just have to get off my butt and protest.

Take the time to read the comments with the article.
The last one (as of now):

Posted by Dr_Johnson on February 20, 2009 at 8:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"If Boulder is such a blindly liberal hotbed, how come this message board has more than 100 posts that nearly all ring far right?"

Right-wingnuts from all over the universe flock to these comment forums to give us what is laughingly called a piece of their mind. Since most of the citizens of Boulder have better things to do, the result is largely a wingnut echo chamber.

But it does help generate revenue for the "liberal press" they love to piss 'n' moan about. They're just too stupid to stay away.

There are few, if any, comments supportive of Churchill aside from this one.

900 nyc redneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:55:52am

re: #887 FrogMarch

It was OK to say "Abort Bush"...

not to mention the over 100 books, many w/ chapters advocating far worse.

901 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:56:19am

re: #884 Honorary Yooper

Witness is an entirely different movie. Harrison Ford and Kelly McGillis star, and it deals with an Amish boy who was witness to a murder committed by a crooked detective in Philadelphia.

That's Right! I forgot.. That movie broke the ceiling for depicting smoking hot Amish girls...
/

902 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:56:28am

re: #879 FrogMarch

Every time I see your name [FrogMarch], it reminds me of the 18th century story of the War of the Frogs.

903 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:56:37am

re: #887 FrogMarch

It was OK to say "Abort Bush"...

Well, yeah!
/

904 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:57:00am

re: #892 smokefire

Just paid my bi-weekly mortgage payment. That makes me a minority. Can I get a bailout? Nope. I do not qualify.
I work, I pay my bills, I am responsible, and..................oops can't say that.

You may feel good about being

905 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:57:04am

re: #894 buzzsawmonkey

Meigs Field has been destroyed? That leaves the Adler Planetarium as the last surviving relic of the 1933 Century of Progress exhibition.


Yeah & all of the aircraft were not evacuated before the runway was destroyed. It all happened in the middle of the night. Daley is running a Banana Republic.

906 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:57:07am

re: #846 Kosh's Shadow

As Bernard Lewis observed, for Ahmadinejad, mutually assured destruction is not a deterrent, it's an inducement.

907 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:57:12am

re: #891 redstateredneck

Is that the one where the insurance company won't pay up?

Yes.. Love that movie...It's one of those rare movies I could always watch again

908 UFO TOFU  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:57:26am

re: #886 Iron Fist

You're on a roll today!

909 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:57:29am

re: #893 sattv4u2

Not always, IMHO. Some of the Harry Potter ones were better on film. Star Wars also. Nights in Rodanthe,,LOTS of the Ian Fleming (James Bond genre)

Those are ones I haven't read!

910 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:57:31am

re: #901 HoosierHoops

You are one sick bastid.

911 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:57:35am

Britain's huge jihad problem is going to get much worse. The muslim schools have become terrorist training camps for children.

HARRY Potter books, cricket and Shakespeare have been banned at Muslim schools in the UK where pupils are being taught to hate Britain.

Teachers are also encouraging children to despise other classic British pastimes including chess, music and Monopoly.

Youngsters are ending up living separate lives in “Muslim enclaves” away from mainstream society, research from the Civitas think-tank has found.

And many Muslim parents have no idea that their kids’ lessons are so extreme.

One website for the Madani Girls’ School, east London, blasted British culture and says: “Our children are exposed to a culture that is in opposition with almost everything Islam stands for.”

And teacher Themina Ahmed, creator of a history syllabus for the Islamic Shaksiyah Foundation schools in London, writes: “The world will witness the death of the criminal capitalist nation of America and all other states when the army of jihad is unleashed upon them.”

Other school websites are instructing pupils not to “waste time” playing cricket or reading books like Harry Potter.

The Al-Mu’min School in Bradford, West Yorks, says “the person who plays chess is like the one who dips his hands in the blood of a swine”.

At the Jameah Girls’ Academy in Leicester, pupils are banned from using tampons and swimming in front of men.

912 Northern Bandit  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:58:19am

re: #866 soxfan4life

Obama and his socialist cohorts are a lost cause, but we'll survive.

On defense he is looking more promising (having thrown the Left overboard).

He has committed 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan.

I will remind everyone here, that exactly THREE out of TWENTY-TWO nations have made good on their commitment in Afghanistan so far. Those three are:

1. United States Of America
2. United Kingdom
3. Canada

Australia has also commited troops, but unlike Canada took up the Iraq cause and therefor concentrated their efforts on that front.

Here in Canada we are faced with a choice between mealy-mouthed politicians. Only one, Stephen Harper, has pledged to keep our troops and material flowing. Canada has lost over 150 troops in Afghanistan (on a pop percentage level, equal to 1,500 US - but one Canuck = one US in God's eye, of course).


Obama was in Canada this week spreading his love. Glad I'm in Turkey to avoid it.

913 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:58:21am

re: #886 Iron Fist


Now, I see it as a metaphor for how the Democrats intend to run the entire country: they'll keep throwing money at the problem until they can make it look like a winner. In reality, it is just a board covered in rotting fruit. Any trained monkey could do as good a job.

You said it. the democrat's run off the illusion that they know what they are doing.
oh - and I detest modern art.

914 NukeAtomrod  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:58:21am

re: #908 UFO TOFU

You're on a roll today!

That explains the butter on his pants!

915 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:58:22am

re: #874 redstateredneck

The book is always better than the movie. The actors never look like the way you picture the characters and it just doesn't seem right.

LOTR was the exception to this rule.

916 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:58:31am

You may feel good about being

Being What?

917 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:59:27am

re: #901 HoosierHoops

That's Right! I forgot.. That movie broke the ceiling for depicting smoking hot Amish girls...
/

"Hey baby, wanna hang that bonnet at my place?"

918 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 7:59:32am

re: #871 Russkilitlover

Wheeeeeee! Now the Republican Transportation Secretary seriously is considering taxing our miles driven.

Hopenchangehopenchangehopenchange!

(I'd link, but am already late for a meeting. It's on MSN.)

Ray LaHood (emphasis on Hood) is about as RINO as you can get. When he was in Illinois, he was in the pocket of both the concrete and the asphalt lobbies. He's a pure Combine crook.

919 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:00:13am

re: #915 Alouette

LOTR was the exception to this rule.

Okay, I'm slow this morning. What is LOTR?

920 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:00:34am

re: #911 NJDhockeyfan

Britain's huge jihad problem is going to get much worse. The muslim schools have become terrorist training camps for children.

if they won't assimilate why do they live there? oh! because everyone must bend over backwards to make them comfortable and become more like them....ladies! get your bags!

921 UFO TOFU  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:00:49am

re: #919 redstateredneck

Lord Of The Rings?

922 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:00:50am

On Iran and their quest for the bomb:
A few years ago, the news media published a report on some evidence that they were developing a bomb. It mentioned finding traces of something that is only needed for bombs, not for reactors.
And, if I understand it correctly, is not needed for crude bombs, but only ones that need to fit in a missile.

923 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:01:31am

re: #917 opnion

"Hey baby, wanna hang that bonnet at my place?"

A lot of testosterone displayed at the barn raising.

924 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:01:33am

re: #902 smokefire

Every time I see your name [FrogMarch], it reminds me of the 18th century story of the War of the Frogs.

I meant to do that. ;-)
(actually - I'm not familiar)

925 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:01:47am

re: #876 buzzsawmonkey

What about Meigs Field?

Midnight bulldozers chopping Xs into the runways without FAA approval.

926 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:02:04am

re: #921 UFO TOFU

Lord Of The Rings?

Ohhhh, thanks {TOFU}.
No, I liked the books better.

927 Northern Bandit  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:02:21am

re: #912 Northern Bandit

Before any Euros jump in, in my previous post I was talking about troops who would come under fire, and return fire. Not Euro "peacekeepers"

928 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:02:27am

re: #915 Alouette

LOTR was the exception to this rule.

I disagree. I always thought hobbits were furrier. They're explicitly described as having furry feet; I think mine are as hairy as those in the movies.

929 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:02:28am

re: #823 lawhawk
So do you think they'll be any political blowback from this?
I think most of the folks who will get some benefit from this mortgage three-card-monte are those who would have voted for Obama anyway; wonder if those middle to upper middle income folks who STILL have to work to pay their mortgages and Real Property taxes who did vote for Obama the first time will do so again?

930 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:02:30am

re: #910 smokefire

You are one sick bastid.

And you're just now noticing? LOL
It was like my review of Burn Notice last night..How can a show that has plenty of good story lines, good acting, Exciting action scenes and yet have so many pretty girls with Bikini's in it?
Usually it's mutually exclusive..

931 yma o hyd  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:02:37am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Look at this lovely photo of Madame Kerry!

I pinched it from Aussie Dave - who had this to say about it:
'6:10AM: The wife of US Senator John Kerry, Teresa Heinz, mistakes Sderot for Damascus.'

Snigger ...

932 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:02:45am

re: #924 FrogMarch

[Link: www.windhamhistory.org...]

FYI, Here is the abridged version of the story.
My hometown.

933 NukeAtomrod  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:03:18am

re: #915 Alouette

LOTR was the exception to this rule.

Them's fightin' words!

/ Galadriel is a purple mumble-beast.

934 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:03:32am

re: #928 Kosh's Shadow

I disagree. I always thought hobbits were furrier. They're explicitly described as having furry feet; I think mine are as hairy as those in the movies.


Right! (on Hobbit feet, I wouldn't know about yours)

935 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:03:34am

re: #923 redstateredneck

A lot of testosterone displayed at the barn raising.

hot guy is in that movie.....i can even forgive him for being such a moonbat because he is so hot!

936 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:04:02am

re: #928 Kosh's Shadow

I disagree. I always thought hobbits were furrier. They're explicitly described as having furry feet; I think mine are as hairy as those in the movies.

You have HOBBITS?

937 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:04:11am

re: #924 FrogMarch

I meant to do that. ;-)
(actually - I'm not familiar)

Meet the Feebles - "The Frogs of War" scene


Youtube Video
938 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:04:15am

re: #929 realwest

Still waiting for my smooches, mister!

939 UFO TOFU  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:04:55am

re: #935 phoenixgirl

hot guy is in that movie.....i can even forgive him for being such a moonbat because he is so hot!

Oh come on, let's maintain our standards!

940 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:04:58am

re: #930 HoosierHoops

This generations Miami Vice, Magnum, 77 Sunset Strip.
Not much of a story line, but lots of eye candy

941 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:04:59am

re: #923 redstateredneck

A lot of testosterone displayed at the barn raising.

"Is that a ruler in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

942 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:05:04am

re: #931 yma o hyd

Being that it went so well yesterday, we should have a I hate John Kerry thread everyday to go along with the hopen threads.

943 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:05:26am

re: #832 Ford_Prefect
The only beef I have with Glen Beck is that the show he had Michael Steele on was an ambush of Mr. Steele from the get-go. Other than that, I've read things Mr. Beck has said that make me wonder whether or not he'd be suitable for Obama's Cabinet.
I don't like "cheerleader" types of political commentators.

944 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:05:39am

re: #931 yma o hyd

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Look at this lovely photo of Madame Kerry!

I pinched it from Aussie Dave - who had this to say about it:
'6:10AM: The wife of US Senator John Kerry, Teresa Heinz, mistakes Sderot for Damascus.'

Snigger ...

Too many gin-soaked raisins.

945 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:05:41am

re: #939 UFO TOFU

Oh come on, let's maintain our standards!

not when it comes to hot guy

946 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:06:12am

re: #905 opnion

Yeah & all of the aircraft were not evacuated before the runway was destroyed. It all happened in the middle of the night. Daley is running a Banana Republic.

Banana republic fits it pretty well. We've gone from Beirut by the Lake to Zimbabwe by the Lake.

947 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:06:15am

re: #932 smokefire

[Link: www.curbstone.org...]

The longer version.

948 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:06:21am

re: #899 jwb7605

There are few, if any, comments supportive of Churchill aside from this one.

Yep. We are all Wing-nuts for opposing a fraud and a terrorist. /Shame on us for not giving-in to the Boulder CU left-wing group-think.

No matter what anyone says - Boulder is, for the most part, a leftist echo-chamber. Happily I can report that there are moderate democrats in this town who are disgusted with Ward Churchill. A fraud is a fraud, no amount of ideological loyalty can smother that.

949 yma o hyd  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:06:22am

re: #942 soxfan4life

Being that it went so well yesterday, we should have a I hate John Kerry thread everyday to go along with the hopen threads.

It certainly would make a lot of Lizards very happy - tfk first and foremost!

950 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:06:43am

re: #919 redstateredneck

Okay, I'm slow this morning. What is LOTR?

Lord of the Rings

951 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:06:44am

re: #939 UFO TOFU

Oh come on, let's maintain our standards!

Hotness is in the eye of the beholder.

952 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:07:05am

re: #868 smokefire

.....................just a voice here, but, granted O'Reilly and Rush are commentators, but you would have to agree that the MSM's take on news is also very slanted, so you have to take both views and look for middle ground.

I am just saying that it is important to get your news from a variety of sources and not rely too heavily on someone whose job is to comment rather than report.

953 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:07:20am

re: #912 Northern Bandit

Actually, many more countries have sent troops to help in Afghanistan, with varying missions, ROE's & caveats.

There have been complaints that some of these nations' troops are banned from actual fighting, which in some cases is true. However, there help with logistics or other support work does free up US, Canadian & other troops for fighting. For example, the Germans don't fight, but they are taking the lead in training the Afghan police, and lord knows they sure need training.

954 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:07:32am

re: #937 Dustyvet

Meet the Feebles - "The Frogs of War" scene

I have that movie on the DVD right now (not playing). I started watching it a few days ago and got side tracked. The only other time I saw it was about 15 years ago and I was really drunk.

955 jaunte  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:07:35am

Has Iowahawk started writing for the Daily News?

Cops, crowd scuffle outside NYU student protest; 2 arrested
"Everyone was pretty chill, but some people got out of hand, and that's when problems started," said freshman Brooke Lieberwitz, 18, who majors in tourism.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

956 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:07:43am

re: #837 redstateredneck
Why {red} - I didn't know you cared! Here, have some extra-strenght *smoochies* for being a red-haired step child!
:)
*smooooooch*

957 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:08:08am

of course hot guy was hottest in lotr

958 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:08:18am

re: #883 jaunte

Going home yesterday I listened to Sheila Bair, the head of the FDIC talking on the radio about how important it was to the economy that we all help support home prices, whatever that meant. I don't yell at the radio very often, but I started last night.
[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

Support home prices? What the hell does that mean? Support inflated housing prices that inflate the worth of people so that they can use their homes to take out still more money from the piggy bank that isn't worth as much as it really is via lines of credit and home equity loans?

I support home prices that are rationally tied to the actual values of the communities where the homes are located. That means homes that are in desirable locations are worth more than those that aren't. That means homes where there is strong demand and limited supply have increased values that areas where there is weaker demand and/or greater supply.

I was listening to the tv this morning and they were talking about how we've apparently not invested in cities for the past eight years and that Obama is signaling that we'll be spending more money on inner cities. Really? Looking at NYC and even Newark and Camden, there's more investment going on as a result of the reduction in crime and making the areas safer for development than during the years when Democrats were in office. Instead, we're going to take the time machine and warp back to the Great Society years when throwing billions at the inner cities resulted in the Bronx burning and inner cities and urban areas turning into blighted messes - all in the name of improving them. [deleted]

959 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:08:39am

re: #955 jaunte

Has Iowahawk started writing for the Daily News?

Cops, crowd scuffle outside NYU student protest; 2 arrested
"Everyone was pretty chill, but some people got out of hand, and that's when problems started," said freshman Brooke Lieberwitz, 18, who majors in tourism.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

WTF is a "major in tourism"? Is that like being paid to vacation?

960 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:08:44am

re: #956 realwest

Why {red} - I didn't know you cared! Here, have some extra-strenght *smoochies* for being a red-haired step child!
:)
*smooooooch*

Finally, he notices me!

961 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:09:00am

re: #944 redstateredneck

Too many gin-soaked raisins livers.

962 AMER1CAN  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:09:02am

OT: Transportation chief eyes taxing miles driven

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood says he wants to consider taxing motorists based on how many miles they drive rather than how much gasoline they burn — an idea that has angered drivers in some states where it has been proposed.

Gasoline taxes that for nearly half a century have paid for the federal share of highway and bridge construction can no longer be counted on to raise enough money to keep the nation's transportation system moving, LaHood said in an interview with The Associated Press.

Wish I was only dreaming this. What a joke and a total intrusion into peoples personal lives in my opinion.

963 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:09:26am

You know the story of the guy with the abort obama sign.

I am trying to think of my own sign, any ideas?

Something like

Obama: prosperity and Unicorn farts
the 52% are so *smart*

964 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:09:38am

re: #935 phoenixgirl

hot guy is in that movie.....i can even forgive him for being such a moonbat because he is so hot!


I updinged you..Not because I think Ford is hot..But because one time I was talking about a hot girl in a movie and got downdinged!
It's not like I said I wanted to do her..Just that she was hot..
As someone famous said once..' I may not agree with your views of hot girls but I will fight to the death your right to admire them.'
Something like that..

965 jwb7605  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:09:59am

re: #943 realwest

re: #832 Ford_Prefect
The only beef I have with Glen Beck is that the show he had Michael Steele on was an ambush of Mr. Steele from the get-go. Other than that, I've read things Mr. Beck has said that make me wonder whether or not he'd be suitable for Obama's Cabinet.
I don't like "cheerleader" types of political commentators.

If you're talking about the interview earlier this week, I had the opposite reaction. Steele got the opportunity to completely disavow previous Republican behavior, and made it clear that the direction was going to change abruptly.
Steele came across (IMO) as focused and concise, and did not shrink from the criticism being levelled at the Republican party. That is what is needed at this time.

966 VegasRick  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:10:24am

re: #898 sattv4u2

Identify a company that had no or few lay-offs and say "See, without this stimulu package they would have had to lay off THOUSANDS"

500,000,000 Americans a month according to Pelousy.
[Link: sayanythingblog.com...]

967 mamashawna  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:10:32am

re: #715 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

THat was GREAT! I just stole it and emailed it to a bunch of people! Oh, BTW, RICK SANTELLI for PRESIDENT!

968 UFO TOFU  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:10:34am

re: #951 redstateredneck

Hotness is in the eye of the beholder.

Where's Occasional Reader when I need him?

969 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:10:36am

re: #852 opnion
Hey opnion!

HUD admits that five million loans made under the Community Reivestment Act were to illegal aliens. So taxpayers will be forced to give cash to give or take five million non-citizens. Oh Brave New World.

Do y'all have a link for that?

970 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:10:39am

re: #915 Alouette

LOTR was the exception to this rule.

Peter Jackson was a big fan of the books and didn't want to mess it up. His love of the source material showed through in almost everything.

971 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:10:49am

re: #964 HoosierHoops

I updinged you..Not because I think Ford is hot..But because one time I was talking about a hot girl in a movie and got downdinged!
It's not like I said I wanted to do her..Just that she was hot..
As someone famous said once..' I may not agree with your views of hot girls but I will fight to the death your right to admire them.'
Something like that..

lol, wasn't talking about ford! he's ok but hot guy is hotter! thanks for the ding!

972 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:11:05am

re: #943 realwest

I did not see that so I can't comment on it. Like I said, I find him entertaining. He is a bit of a loose cannon though.

973 jaunte  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:11:15am

re: #958 lawhawk
It's crazy-making the way these people with high-powered government jobs 'steering the economy' can do exactly the opposite of what works, and keep doing it despite the evidence.

974 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:11:24am

re: #929 realwest

So do you think they'll be any political blowback from this?
I think most of the folks who will get some benefit from this mortgage three-card-monte are those who would have voted for Obama anyway; wonder if those middle to upper middle income folks who STILL have to work to pay their mortgages and Real Property taxes who did vote for Obama the first time will do so again?

That's the thing. I just don't know. People don't quite know what the rejiggering of the mortgage and financing markets have really done, and what effect it has on the system. This top down approach is a one-size fits all mess that doesn't take into account that much of the "foreclosure crisis" is limited to several areas - primarily places like Vegas, Southern Florida, California, and not to the nation as a whole. It's places where speculators and real estate companies pushed to build outpacing demand. Now that the credit markets are starting to act rationally - Obama's demanding that they expand giving credit to these same folks who are not good credit risks.

975 yma o hyd  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:11:37am

And here is another luvverly piece of even-handed, unbiased reporting (NOT!) about Israel:

Binyamin Netanyahu targets Iran after he is appointed Prime Minister
Nice headline, but read on:

'Binyamin Netanyahu described Iran as the greatest threat that Israel has ever faced and failed to mention stalled talks with the Palestinians after he was asked to be the country's new Prime Minister today.

In a speech made outside the residence of President Shimon Peres, the Likud leader said that protecting Israel would be his greatest responsibility as leader, and condemned "formidable" challenges posed by the Islamic Republic.

However, he did not once mention the stalled Israeli-Palestinian peace process or a two-state solution throughout his address, omissions that will cause concern within an Obama administration determined to advance the peace process.'

(Emphasis by me)

Isn't it kind of The Times to worry about the hamasthugs, and about PB0 - while totally disregarding the elephant in the corner?

976 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:12:03am

re: #962 AMER1CAN

Well here in the People's Republic of MA governor Patrick has decided on a 19 cent raise in the gas tax. He has also proposed putting a chip in our inspection sticker to charge for mileage as well.

977 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:12:17am
978 jaunte  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:12:18am

re: #959 Honorary Yooper

WTF is a "major in tourism"? Is that like being paid to vacation?

Sounds like a parody. Do you really have to be trained in college to work as a tour operator?

979 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:12:51am

re: #962 AMER1CAN

They're looking to tax miles driven by pushing to get GPS units and/or demand mileage counts to figure taxes, and the gas taxes aren't going to go away either.

They're in the process of developing regs to control COx emissions, which puts every breath you take in jeopardy of being taxed in some fashion.

980 jaunte  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:13:28am

re: #962 AMER1CAN

That's a further wealth transfer from rural (red voter) counties to urban (blue voter) counties.

981 NukeAtomrod  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:13:41am

re: #871 Russkilitlover

Wheeeeeee! Now the Republican Transportation Secretary seriously is considering taxing our miles driven.

Hopenchangehopenchangehopenchange!

(I'd link, but am already late for a meeting. It's on MSN.)

They already do that when they tax gasoline sales. Next they'll tax you for buying a hamburger, then tax you again when you eat it.

982 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:14:06am

re: #968 UFO TOFU

Where's Occasional Reader when I need him?

Where is OR, anyway?

983 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:14:23am
984 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:14:26am

re: #976 soxfan4life

guess that means I will not be heading across the border anymore to get cheaper gas. The only reason to go across the border from CT. is going to be to buy liquor.

985 JCM  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:14:29am

re: #978 jaunte

Sounds like a parody. Do you really have to be trained in college to work as a tour operator?

It's better than what a lot of kids study....
Beerology.

Morning Honcos!

986 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:14:30am

re: #976 soxfan4life

Well here in the People's Republic of MA governor Patrick has decided on a 19 cent raise in the gas tax. He has also proposed putting a chip in our inspection sticker to charge for mileage as well.

I favor massive civil disobedience if this comes to pass. Everyone should leave the chip in their garage, and I mean everyone.

987 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:15:04am
988 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:15:31am

re: #979 lawhawk

They're looking to tax miles driven by pushing to get GPS units and/or demand mileage counts to figure taxes, and the gas taxes aren't going to go away either.

They're in the process of developing regs to control COx emissions, which puts every breath you take in jeopardy of being taxed in some fashion.

that's the thing, we are taxed with the gas tax... the idiot thinks it's better to tax based on miles driven....same thing yet...instead of one or the other we will have the privilege to pay both.......head banging time! tax revolt!

989 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:15:51am

THE CHICAGO WAY

St Valentine's Day Massacre


Youtube Video
990 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:16:11am

Wretchard on Syria,

Given enough time any regime, no matter how evil, becomes hallowed in diplomatic circles. If Hitler had lasted 30 years he would be a statesman. For a brief period following 9/11 this conventional wisdom was shaken. Now we are back on the “stability” track. Posterity will judge whether GWB’s decision to confront tyranny, however badly and partially, will fare against the records of the “engagers” now in power. I think the verdict of history will be plain within five years. Until then, it is needless to comment. When the jury comes in, we’ll know.

Prophetic.

991 fish  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:16:17am

re: #860 midwestgak

Not yet, but it's still early. He is speaking about the gloom and doom that only the "recovery plan" can fix.

The plan will saved or create 3.5 million jobs. How can he possibly know that?

Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) was on the radio this morning stating that it was a done deal, that 70,000 people in WI will keep their jobs because of the Stimulus. When questioned about this and pressed for details she stumbled about for a bit about Highway and medical workers who would keep jobs because of the new funding.

So that was it, signed a bill 70,000 jobs saved instantly.

Later today I am going to eat a sandwich which will keep all those around me from bursting into flames. If after I eat the sandwich no one explodes it worked. Same logic.

992 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:16:20am

PLOOOOME

Can you please e-mail me?

993 Killer Tomato  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:16:23am

WALTER -
Thanks for that idea - I replaced the letter 'o' in 'Your' with the Obama logo... looks OK - it's going in the window of the car today.
The $5 is in the mail to you. (hope you don't mind rolled coins - oh, and you will be at home to accept the COD postage, right?)

994 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:16:42am

re: #988 phoenixgirl

that's the thing, we are taxed with the gas tax... the idiot thinks it's better to tax based on miles driven....same thing yet...instead of one or the other we will have the privilege to pay both.......head banging time! tax revolt!

Some states tax tractor/trailers like that. But they have to stop at the port of entry and pay to get across the state. You can't do that with cars, for cryin' out loud!

995 JCM  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:16:45am

re: #979 lawhawk

They're looking to tax miles driven by pushing to get GPS units and/or demand mileage counts to figure taxes, and the gas taxes aren't going to go away either.

They're in the process of developing regs to control COx emissions, which puts every breath you take in jeopardy of being taxed in some fashion.

WA they've proposed mileage and congestion taxing. Using the transponder system, they'd toll the vehicle based on time of day, road used and congestion levels.

996 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:16:56am

Somewhere far out in our Milky Way galaxy, thousands - perhaps millions - of pale blue dots are orbiting their suns just as Earth does ours, and in two weeks a new American spacecraft will fly off to seek them out.
Carrying a powerful telescope and one of the most sensitive cameras ever launched into space,
SNIP
Boy that's got to piss off the CIA....:)
Link:
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

997 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:17:07am
998 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:17:13am

Kenneth-Lewis has gone wobbly.

999 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:17:14am

re: #979 lawhawk

They're looking to tax miles driven by pushing to get GPS units and/or demand mileage counts to figure taxes, and the gas taxes aren't going to go away either.

They're in the process of developing regs to control COx emissions, which puts every breath you take in jeopardy of being taxed in some fashion.

I can't afford this. I'm such a mouth that it's gonna break me, it's just another way to keep our mouths shut.

1000 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:17:30am

re: #979 lawhawk

They're looking to tax miles driven by pushing to get GPS units and/or demand mileage counts to figure taxes, and the gas taxes aren't going to go away either.

They're in the process of developing regs to control COx emissions, which puts every breath you take in jeopardy of being taxed in some fashion.

The thing I don't get about this whole movement, besides the obvious personal intrusion, is that it would be a disincentive to buy a car that gets good mileage, if everyone is going to pay the same taxes regardless of the efficiency of their cars.

1001 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:17:33am

re: #986 Honorary Yooper

I favor massive civil disobedience if this comes to pass. Everyone should leave the chip in their garage, and I mean everyone.

/You hide a bag of chips in the garage too? I thought I was th only one.

1002 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:17:37am

re: #994 redstateredneck

Some states tax tractor/trailers like that. But they have to stop at the port of entry and pay to get across the state. You can't do that with cars, for cryin' out loud!

imagine the lines!

1003 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:17:42am

re: #997 ploome hineni

Hey you....please e-mail me.

1004 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:17:45am

re: #986 Honorary Yooper

I favor massive civil disobedience if this comes to pass. Everyone should leave the chip in their garage, and I mean everyone.

I hope to be moving soon, my son graduates in June. If so I will place my sticker on the first vehicle I see with Mexico plates on it. Let them track that one the bastards.

1005 bellamags  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:17:56am

re: #964 HoosierHoops

I updinged you..Not because I think Ford is hot..But because one time I was talking about a hot girl in a movie and got downdinged!
It's not like I said I wanted to do her..Just that she was hot..
As someone famous said once..' I may not agree with your views of hot girls but I will fight to the death your right to admire them.'
Something like that..

Thats ridiculous. It is natural for men and women to be attracted to beauty. people need to lighten up.

1006 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:18:25am

re: #993 Killer Tomato

WALTER -
Thanks for that idea - I replaced the letter 'o' in 'Your' with the Obama logo... looks OK - it's going in the window of the car today.
The $5 is in the mail to you. (hope you don't mind rolled coins - oh, and you will be at home to accept the COD postage, right?)

WHAT?

1007 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:18:32am

re: #989 Dustyvet

Youtube Video

The old days

1008 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:18:34am

LMAO!

Pamela's full of self-righteous anger this morning because someone was critical of her blog. LOL

1009 Northern Bandit  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:18:50am

re: #958 lawhawk

Rational this, rational that. Let's get down to it: the entire system is fucked.

To what degree is it fucked?

To the degree that intellectual fuckheads like you and me try to "rationally" assess the situation.

Take a breath.

Imagine not just your grandparents, but THEIR grandparents.

What would they say to us?

(BTW, I write this from Istanbul, where political disagreement can be dated to 9,000 B.C.)

1010 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:18:51am

re: #974 lawhawk

A question for you: Obama has been pitching this rotten deal to the US public, but is the real benefactor of his generosity China and the massive US debt they hold? Is the whole point of this "stimulus" bill & financial bailout bills to reassure the Chinese bankers to keep on lending the US more money?

1011 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:18:55am

re: #1002 phoenixgirl

imagine the lines!

Road rage will reach new levels.

1012 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:19:04am

re: #1004 soxfan4life

I hope to be moving soon, my son graduates in June. If so I will place my sticker on the first vehicle I see with Mexico plates on it. Let them track that one the bastards.

What's the news up in beantown about steroids and Ortiz today?

1013 JCM  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:19:16am

Does that last baggie of pot have a funny smell and taste.......

Cow manure hid 1,700 pounds of Canadian pot

1014 AMER1CAN  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:19:18am

re: #979 lawhawk

This is the first time I have heard of such a mileage tax. I think it's a terrible idea. They are just looking for more ways to take money from Americans. You have the gas tax, the cost of tolls (they are selling these off to private companies who are jacking up the prices), the parking costs (same thing here) and now a freaking vehicle mileage tax.

What the hell?

1015 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:19:21am
1016 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:19:22am

re: #992 WriterMom

...................HELLLOOOOOOO MOM,
Throws big kiss across the border.

1017 alegrias  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:19:29am

If it moves, TAX it.

If it breathes, TAX it.

Obama & Eric Holder are too cowardly & prejudiced to actually enforce this--so they'll default to their teachers and go with classic Marx, FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY.

1018 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:19:32am

re: #297 goddessoftheclassroom

It's better than Livni, but Bibi still really wants to build a "national unity" government. So, even though there isn't a huge difference nowadays between Likud and Labour, there will be some lefty influences if they are part of a coalition. However, given that many people voted for Avigdor Lieberman, Bibi will still have to recognize the influence and public wish for a turn right-wards.

1019 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:19:51am

re: #1005 bellamags

Thats ridiculous. It is natural for men and women to be attracted to beauty. people need to lighten up.


{Bella} Good morning..How is your friday going?

1020 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:20:01am

re: #998 WriterMom

specifically?

1021 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:20:05am

re: #1015 ploome hineni

OK thanks.

1022 phoenixgirl  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:20:22am

re: #1015 ploome hineni

ploome, would you mind if i emailed you?

1023 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:20:24am

re: #1020 Kenneth

You know, when men have a little problem...

1024 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:20:31am

re: #1013 JCM

Does that last baggie of pot have a funny smell and taste.......

Cow manure hid 1,700 pounds of Canadian pot

Hey, that's some good shit, man.

1025 Killer Tomato  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:20:42am

re: #1006 Walter L. Newton

The $5 I owed you because you're verbose and I'm not.
I had to send it in rolled coin.

1026 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:20:55am

re: #1014 AMER1CAN

This is the first time I have heard of such a mileage tax. I think it's a terrible idea. They are just looking for more ways to take money from Americans. You have the gas tax, the cost of tolls (they are selling these off to private companies who are jacking up the prices), the parking costs (same thing here) and now a freaking vehicle mileage tax.

What the hell?

No not what the hell. What will the democrats think of next?

1027 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:21:01am

re: #1016 smokefire

WHOOOO HOOOO. I was so disappointed that I missed the discussion on hot guys and then I get a fireman sending me kisses. Sweet.

1028 rightside  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:21:17am

re: #1013 JCM


That's some good shit, man.

1029 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:21:17am

re: #823 lawhawk

You forget to mention that the local, state and Federal governments are all ignoring the lessons of history from the late 20's/early 30's--and doing the very things that deepened the Depression.

Soup, anyone?

1030 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:21:19am

re: #932 smokefire

[Link: www.windhamhistory.org...]

FYI, Here is the abridged version of the story.
My hometown.

thanks.

1031 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:21:46am

re: #1023 WriterMom

Well he's 90 something, ...give him a break.

1032 bellamags  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:21:58am

re: #1019 HoosierHoops

{Bella} Good morning..How is your friday going?

super duper busy. I've had almost 15 customers in two hours. Fabulous. I feel good, the weather is nice (but cold) so how are YOU?

1033 yma o hyd  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:22:00am

re: #997 ploome hineni

the arabs want every single imprisoned arab to be realeased from Israeli jails, and yet

the arabs and Egypt complain that if Israel insists on linking a cease fire with the release of Gilad Shalit

the Israelis are trying to destroy the process

/go figure

Its that nice thingie, called 'double standard', applied to anything to do with Israeli politics.
The rules are simple: anything the ayrabs do is fine, and needs supporting; anything Israel does is baaad and needs to be supressed or abolished or prevented.

I'll only be surprised if this double standard is not being applied.

1034 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:22:22am

re: #1005 bellamags

Thats ridiculous. It is natural for men and women to be attracted to beauty. people need to lighten up.

I had a girlfriend two years ago who was a moonbat and she would go psycho if I mentioned a actress looked "nice" in a certain dress, or some other simple compliment like that. I was acting like a "typical" male.

Silly thing is, I don't even know how to be a typical male, at least as far as the knuckle dragging gym rat who is hitting on any woman who is breathing.

We broke up.

1035 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:22:36am

re: #1008 Sharmuta

LMAO!

Pamela's full of self-righteous anger this morning because someone was critical of her blog. LOL

Touchy, touchy. What a thin skin Pamela has for someone who affiliates with fascists.

1036 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:22:41am

re: #1012 Nevergiveup

What's the news up in beantown about steroids and Ortiz today?

Only hearing about A-Roid and how the drugs he said he used were not available over the counter in the Dominican at the time he was saying. Does not look good for him at this time. Ortiz has said 1st offense should be a 1 year ban, so I doubt he has anything to hide. As my Dad used to say the protruding nail usually gets hammered.

1037 JCM  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:23:10am

New Yorker Editor: Rush Limbaugh 'Very
Similar' to Bull Connor

James Golden, a long time employee of Limbaugh.

He's the grown up.

1038 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:23:16am

re: #1012 Nevergiveup

nothing on the Boston sites RE: Big Papi

1039 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:23:20am

re: #1034 Walter L. Newton

I had a girlfriend two years ago who was a moonbat and she would go psycho if I mentioned a actress looked "nice" in a certain dress, or some other simple compliment like that. I was acting like a "typical" male.

Silly thing is, I don't even know how to be a typical male, at least as far as the knuckle dragging gym rat who is hitting on any woman who is breathing.

We broke up.

Moonbat girlfiriend? You forgot to complement her on her velvety wings. Happens every time.

1040 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:23:27am

re: #1027 WriterMom

WHOOOO HOOOO. I was so disappointed that I missed the discussion on hot guys and then I get a fireman sending me kisses. Sweet.

This could be a problem, what with the Hook and Ladder truck parked in the driveway...:)


/s

1041 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:23:48am

re: #1025 Killer Tomato

The $5 I owed you because you're verbose and I'm not.
I had to send it in rolled coin.

What?

1042 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:24:01am

re: #1033 yma o hyd

Just a guess, but I would wager there are plenty more Arabs in the jails of Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Yemen...& etc than there are in Israeli jails.

1043 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:24:13am

re: #1037 JCM

New Yorker Editor: Rush Limbaugh 'Very
Similar' to Bull Connor

James Golden, a long time employee of Limbaugh.

He's the grown up.


Mr. Snerdley!

1044 fish  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:24:24am

re: #929 realwest

So do you think they'll be any political blowback from this?
I think most of the folks who will get some benefit from this mortgage three-card-monte are those who would have voted for Obama anyway; wonder if those middle to upper middle income folks who STILL have to work to pay their mortgages and Real Property taxes who did vote for Obama the first time will do so again?

I think Chicago could be nuked with a bombed labled "Made in Iran" and Carried by people released from Gitmo when it closes, and he wouldn't suffer blowback. "It was Bush's fault for not telling Obama how bad those guys really are, he should know Barack is new at this and can't be expected to know EVERYTHING. Lets give him another 4 years to get it right."

1045 J.S.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:24:42am

re: #982 redstateredneck

He's in Uruguay, isn't he? (last posted on Feb 15, I believe)...

1046 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:24:42am

re: #964 HoosierHoops

Not because I think Ford is hot

I will try not to take that personally. :-)

1047 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:25:17am

re: #1030 FrogMarch

[Link: www.curbstone.org...]

the longer version.

1048 yma o hyd  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:25:21am

re: #1010 Kenneth

A question for you: Obama has been pitching this rotten deal to the US public, but is the real benefactor of his generosity China and the massive US debt they hold? Is the whole point of this "stimulus" bill & financial bailout bills to reassure the Chinese bankers to keep on lending the US more money?

I don't think PB0 and his advisers are thinking that far ahead. To me, it looks more as if they are slavishly copying what Gord and NuLab have been and still are doing, like this for example: Homeowners will get £500m in mortgage assistance to counter rise in repossessions

1049 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:25:23am

re: #1031 Kenneth

I think it is a problem when academics like him go wobbly on Islam and terrorism. What he does with the other issue is totally his business.

1050 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:25:27am
1051 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:25:45am

re: #1036 soxfan4life

Only hearing about A-Roid and how the drugs he said he used were not available over the counter in the Dominican at the time he was saying. Does not look good for him at this time. Ortiz has said 1st offense should be a 1 year ban, so I doubt he has anything to hide. As my Dad used to say the protruding nail usually gets hammered.

n addition to A-Rod, Presinal has worked with some of the game's biggest stars: Juan Gonzalez, Pedro Martinez, David Ortiz, Vladimir Guerrero, Bartolo Colon, Miguel Tejada, Adrian Beltre, Moises Alou, Jose Guillen, Ervin Santana, Ruben Sierra, Francisco Cordero, Jose Mesa and Juan Guzman, among others.

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Read this. A-Rod lied again. This is his "personal trainer" and some of the other baseball players he worked with.

1052 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:25:51am

re: #1032 bellamags

super duper busy. I've had almost 15 customers in two hours. Fabulous. I feel good, the weather is nice (but cold) so how are YOU?


Just wonderful today..It's friday and I'm sitting here pondering lunch..What to have? what to have?

1053 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:25:59am

re: #960 redstateredneck
Finally I notice you? WTH? And where's my return *smooches*, hey?!

1054 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:26:01am

re: #1040 Dustyvet

Technicalities.

1055 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:26:15am

re: #1038 smokefire

nothing on the Boston sites RE: Big Papi

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

NY Daily News

1056 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:26:31am

re: #1054 WriterMom

Technicalities.

Otays...:)

1057 alegrias  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:26:48am

re: #1018 WriterMom

It's better than Livni, but Bibi still really wants to build a "national unity" government. So, even though there isn't a huge difference nowadays between Likud and Labour, there will be some lefty influences if they are part of a coalition. However, given that many people voted for Avigdor Lieberman, Bibi will still have to recognize the influence and public wish for a turn right-wards.

* * *
Was it the sight of Hamas sending love notes to Obama via Sen. John Kerry while prancing around in Gaza with Keith Ellison the US moslem from Minnesota, that got Bibi Netanyahu the top job?

If so, thank you, John F'n Kerry, for "bringing it on" with Hamas, and getting Israelis scared straight.

Last night John Batchellor said this was Obama's pay back to John Kerry for giving Obama a spot at Kerry's convention in 2004, and also Obama keeping his promise to his Palestinian constituents, the Khalidis and Hamas which supported Obama's candidacy.

1058 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:26:54am

re: #1040 Dustyvet

You know what they say about us firefighters.

find them hot, leave them wet

1059 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:26:54am

re: #1034 Walter L. Newton

I had a girlfriend two years ago who was a moonbat and she would go psycho if I mentioned a actress looked "nice" in a certain dress, or some other simple compliment like that. I was acting like a "typical" male.

Silly thing is, I don't even know how to be a typical male, at least as far as the knuckle dragging gym rat who is hitting on any woman who is breathing.

We broke up.

Your case, it was not you, it was HER.

1060 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:26:56am
1061 Killer Tomato  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:26:58am

re: #1041 Walter L. Newton

LOL
I know you posted that before but I never got to hear it - my computer at home is coal-fired...

1062 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:27:03am

re: #1045 J.S.

He's in Uruguay, isn't he? (last posted on Feb 15, I believe)...

I missed that. Didn't know where he was. I remember on his last trip he was lamenting the fact that his I-phone was not operable there...life is hard, sometimes.
;-)

1063 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:27:20am

re: #1057 alegrias

It was just how the votes lined up.

1064 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:27:24am
1065 gonecamping  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:27:27am

No, he wanted some Canadian Baconre: #21 Maximu§

Was the Great One asking Canada for a loan?

1066 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:27:32am

re: #1035 Honorary Yooper

Touchy, touchy. What a thin skin Pamela has for someone who affiliates with fascists.

So ironic, I couldn't help but laugh.

1067 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:28:12am

re: #1058 smokefire

Ohmahlawd...LOL. It is getting hotter in here.

1068 soxfan4life  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:28:14am

re: #1051 Nevergiveup

Someone mentioned Johnny Damon's response earlier. Alot of people say it wasn't illegal in baseball, but they have always been illegal according to federal laws. Seems to me that should take precedence over baseball. Selig needs to put this to rest and fast.

1069 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:28:31am

re: #1053 realwest

Finally I notice you? WTH? And where's my return *smooches*, hey?!

*SMOOOCH*, you fine sugar-pie, you!

1070 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:29:35am

re: #1037 JCM

New Yorker Editor: Rush Limbaugh 'Very
Similar' to Bull Connor

James Golden, a long time employee of Limbaugh.

He's the grown up.

Hertzberg, who once wrote for Newsweek, was on the MSNBC program to promote his new article that touts President Obama for embracing "Gandhian hardball" in the mold of the civil rights movement.

Well, there you go. Newsweek is a political arm of the Obama campaign.

1071 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:29:52am

re: #1000 Ford_Prefect

The thing I don't get about this whole movement, besides the obvious personal intrusion, is that it would be a disincentive to buy a car that gets good mileage, if everyone is going to pay the same taxes regardless of the efficiency of their cars.

It's a disincentive to buy a car altogether.... and push more people to mass transit. Those people who have no choice, like those where there isn't the population density to make mass transit feasible, or those who can't afford to take 3 hours to commute to work because mass transit doesn't have a schedule that fits their work hours, are screwed.

1072 yma o hyd  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:29:59am

re: #1014 AMER1CAN

This is the first time I have heard of such a mileage tax. I think it's a terrible idea. They are just looking for more ways to take money from Americans. You have the gas tax, the cost of tolls (they are selling these off to private companies who are jacking up the prices), the parking costs (same thing here) and now a freaking vehicle mileage tax.

What the hell?

People bitch, but will pay in the end.

Just that sort of thing has been going on here for years in the UK. we have the lovely extra twist that the tax on petrol is called 'excise duty' - and then the Government can slap sales tax on the whole caboodle, on top of that excise duty ...

We had one pretty good strike, a few years back, where the truckers and farmers blockaded all oil and petrol distribution centres and did slow drives down the most heavily used motorways.
Mayhem ensued - and the government did back down, didn't raise duty, for one year.
Perhaps such a strike is something you should look into ...

1073 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:30:08am

re: #1037 JCM

Bull Connor was a Democrat, for starters.

1074 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:30:23am

re: #1068 soxfan4life

Someone mentioned Johnny Damon's response earlier. Alot of people say it wasn't illegal in baseball, but they have always been illegal according to federal laws. Seems to me that should take precedence over baseball. Selig needs to put this to rest and fast.

It's always illegal to purchase or otherwise obtain a Prescription drug with out a legit RX. Hell otherwise why would I need my Drug licenses?

1075 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:30:25am

re: #1067 WriterMom

Ohmahlawd...LOL. It is getting hotter in here.

God he's loud...:)


Youtube Video
1076 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:30:32am

re: #1057 alegrias

No, it's that Livni could not realistically build a coalition, even with the lefty parties and the Arab parties. So, Peres had to correctly gauge the pulse of the nation which, for the most part, turned right. It would probably have been more stable for the nation for Livni to be a gracious loser and be a part of a coalition, but she went FULL ALGORE and cannot accept the fact that she lost. Bibi will have an easier time building a coalition with Labour and the further right and religious parties.

1077 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:31:37am

re: #1008 Sharmuta

LMAO!

Pamela's full of self-righteous anger this morning because someone was critical of her blog. LOL

She better get used to it. Her associations are unsavory and easy to find. Seems as though some people want nothing to do with her because of them.

1078 yma o hyd  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:31:56am

re: #1042 Kenneth

Just a guess, but I would wager there are plenty more Arabs in the jails of Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Yemen...& etc than there are in Israeli jails.

Wouldn't surprise me at all!
Why doesn't Israel call for those ayrabs to be released?
///

1079 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:31:58am

re: #1010 Kenneth

I don't think so, because if it was about reassuring China, they could have done this for a fraction of the price - get the credit markets moving again and get investment going by promoting economic incentives, not pork. The porkfest is about spreading around the wealth, and the mortgage plan is a shell game.

1080 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:33:27am

re: #1060 Iron Fist

I've rediscovered the joy of grapes (the farm I used to live on had a couple of dozen vines. Nothing in the world tastes better than fresh grapes off the vine), and that is really not good for my blood sugar levels.


Grapes are one of the worst fruits you can eat if you're diabetic!

1081 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:33:47am

re: #1077 CyanSnowHawk

She better get used to it. Her associations are unsavory and easy to find. Seems as though some people want nothing to do with her because of them.

If only someone had tried to warn her. Oh, wait....

1082 VegasRick  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:33:57am

re: #1070 FrogMarch

Hertzberg, who once wrote for Newsweek, was on the MSNBC program to promote his new article that touts President Obama for embracing "Gandhian hardball" in the mold of the civil rights movement.

Well, there you go. Newsweek is a political arm of the Obama campaign.


Fuck newsweak in the ass.
[Link: news.prnewswire.com...]

1083 alegrias  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:33:59am

re: #1060 Iron Fist

* * *
Hey Iron Fist, sorry to hear about your diabetes. May I recommend a book called "Outsmart Diabetes" which has a chapter on "Eat Out Without Guilt: Strategies to order up at almost any restaurant".

This was from 2002 edition, by Prevention, part of Rodale Books.

1084 NukeAtomrod  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:34:07am

re: #1064 buzzsawmonkey

Park Slope (Brooklyn) Food Co-op mulls banning Israeli products.

Oh good! Now they can replace them with high quality Hamas products.

/ Ball bearing filled rockets?

1085 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:34:09am

re: #1049 WriterMom

Well, Lewis has never been a warrior. He is an academic historian. He finds much that is admirable in the culture & people of the Muslim world. Many folks might dissagree with that romantic sentiment.

But when it comes to the subject of Iran, Lewis has been forthright and unequivocal: the current regime is lead by dangerous apocalyptic fanatics determined to build nuclear weapons and start a massive war. I don't see what you would object to about that assessment. He's right. And coming from him, I think it carries more weight in some circles than the latest warnings from "neo-con warmongers" like John Bolton.

1086 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:34:10am

re: #1075 Dustyvet

Federal Q, Whelen Electronic sirens, and air horns.
I love the sound.

1087 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:34:29am

re: #1014 AMER1CAN

This is the first time I have heard of such a mileage tax. I think it's a terrible idea. They are just looking for more ways to take money from Americans. You have the gas tax, the cost of tolls (they are selling these off to private companies who are jacking up the prices), the parking costs (same thing here) and now a freaking vehicle mileage tax.

What the hell?

And a mileage tax is "regressive" in that it taxes high-mileage vehicles as much as low mileage ones.
Might as well replace my Honda with a Hummer.
/not

1088 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:34:50am
1089 subsailor68  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:35:02am

Sigh, the Dow's down almost 150 points as I type. Maybe 7300 or lower by the end of the day. (Yeah, I know Friday is one of the traditional profit-taking days, but where's the profit in this market?)

1090 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:35:10am

re: #1057 alegrias

* * *
Was it the sight of Hamas sending love notes to Obama via Sen. John Kerry while prancing around in Gaza with Keith Ellison the US moslem from Minnesota, that got Bibi Netanyahu the top job?

If so, thank you, John F'n Kerry, for "bringing it on" with Hamas, and getting Israelis scared straight.

Last night John Batchellor said this was Obama's pay back to John Kerry for giving Obama a spot at Kerry's convention in 2004, and also Obama keeping his promise to his Palestinian constituents, the Khalidis and Hamas which supported Obama's candidacy.

I wonder if we'll find out what was in Ham-ass's da'wa letter.

1091 alegrias  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:35:10am

re: #1071 lawhawk

It's a disincentive to buy a car altogether.... and push more people to mass transit. Those people who have no choice, like those where there isn't the population density to make mass transit feasible, or those who can't afford to take 3 hours to commute to work because mass transit doesn't have a schedule that fits their work hours, are screwed.

1092 redstateredneck  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:35:14am

Gotta do some work.
BBL, y'all.

1093 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:35:23am

Reading about stupid criminals makes my day:

Errant text message about drug deal leads to arrest

By Sharif Durhams of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Posted: Feb. 20, 2009 10:12 a.m.

An errant text message sent to an off-duty police officer landed a Sheboygan man and woman in jail last night.

The message, in essence, according to police: Here's where we should meet to arrange a prescription drug transaction.

The 20-year-old woman who sent the message is serving time in jail on a forgery conviction but was released for part of the evening to attend a group meeting, police said.

According to police, the woman accidentally sent a text message to an off-duty officer about 8:30 p.m.

In the message, the woman asked a man, also 20, to meet her outside the Sheboygan County jail at 8:45 p.m. The woman was scheduled to be back in the jail at 9 p.m., police said.

Meanwhile, the off-duty officer called other officers, who set up surveillance to watch the exchange. The man gave the woman the prescription painkiller oxycodone, police said. Officers closed in to arrest the pair.

Police have asked the Sheboygan County district attorney for charges that include possession and delivery of a narcotic. It's possible there would be a penalty enhancer because the exchange occurred within 1,000 feet of the jail, police said.

1094 rawmuse  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:35:39am

My suggestion to diabetics. Get moving. Do something active. Get your heart rate up somehow. That is where I am off to right now. Later.

1095 outsidephilly  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:35:53am

re: #1060 Iron Fist


My diabetes is, unfortunately, not doing so well. They've put me on two new types of insulin, but they aren't helping much. I eat too much, and eat too many carbs.


Have you considered an Insulin pump? With a pump you can eat as much as you want, when you want......, and cover the foods you eat with a 'hit' of insulin.

1096 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:35:59am

re: #1084 NukeAtomrod

Oh good! Now they can replace them with high quality Hamas products.

/ Ball bearing filled rockets?

Fresh-killed turtle meat.

1097 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:37:10am

re: #1076 WriterMom

Maybe Livni should call Jack Layton? He's been looking for a date since Iggy dumped him.

1098 AMER1CAN  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:37:33am

re: #1087 Kosh's Shadow

I drive 2 hours each day. 1 going to work. 1 coming home. We live out in the county so I am willing to make the drive because we got tired of living in the city. Total 70 miles a day. 35 each way. I guess I'd be a profit center for the government.

1099 Nevergiveup  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:38:28am

Spy for Israel sold bugged cars to Hizbullah members - report

[Link: www.dailystar.com.lb...]

Buyer beware?

1100 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:38:56am

re: #974 lawhawk
Yeah, but taxpayers aren't totally stupid. They see Obama saying $275 BILLION for mortgage relief, realize that the relief isn't for them and that, indeed, their INCOME taxes are going to pay the mortgage and property taxes of someone else, WHILE THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY THEIR OWN mortage and property taxes and I smell a taxpayer revolution coming. The overall "Stimulus Bill" got a lot of Americans upset at the cost to their children and grandchildren*, but this mortgage bill is gonna come out of THEIR pockets NOW.
* which is why the "Stimulus Bill" is owned entirely by the DEMOCRAT PARTY and we ought not let the voters forget that; written by Pelosi, rammed through congress before ANY member (maybe including Pelosi) actually READ the damn thing, Obama out on the trail campaigning for it's passage before it's too late and then he takes a three day weekend off before signing it? WTF? Voters really aren't STUPID - although sometimes they vote that way, but Obamas' Hope and Change is already bringing around some buyer's remorse and this mortgage bit, where you and I pay other people's mortgage debts for houses you and I couldn't afford to buy in the first place, is gonna be a stake in the heart of Obama's administration.
Oh and BTW, if you don't already, you should get the Rasmussen daily polling information - it comes once a day and it's free to get. Obama's personal favorability rating has dropped something like 4 points since he announced that mortgage relief act what a day ago? When more voters understand what's involved with it, I predict it'll drop another 20 points. By the middle of March, at the latest.

1101 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:39:22am

re: #1013 JCM

Does that last baggie of pot have a funny smell and taste.......

Cow manure hid 1,700 pounds of Canadian pot

did somebody say drugs?

1102 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:39:43am

re: #1089 subsailor68

Youtube Video

Just something to warm your heart, swabbie

1103 opnion  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:40:03am

re: #923 redstateredneck

A lot of testosterone displayed at the barn raising.

Hey, they might not have electricity , but they know how to spark.

1104 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:40:19am

re: #1099 Nevergiveup

Spy for Israel sold bugged cars to Hizbullah members - report

[Link: www.dailystar.com.lb...]

Buyer beware?

BRILLIANT!

1105 alegrias  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:41:16am

re: #1090 Kosh's Shadow

I wonder if we'll find out what was in Ham-ass's da'wa letter.

* * *
John Batchellor said he would find out what was in Hamas' hand delivered letter to John Kerry. He guessed Hamas wanted an invitation to Obama's White House, for a Rose Garden ceremony including Hamas as a party to Israel/Pali "Peace Process" charades, like Bill Clinton did with Arafat.

Hamas sleepovers in the Lincoln Bedroom for 4 or 8 years, what could be more hopey changey than more sleepovers with terrorists, Part Deux or Trois?

Carter-Clinton-Obama Romancing the Terrorists, what a nightmare movie we've seen before.

1106 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:41:19am

re: #1104 Creeping Eruption

you can't make this sh*t up.
Way too funny

1107 HippieforLife  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:42:19am

I just read on FOX this quote from the O to the mayors of our cities:

"We have asked for the unprecedented trust of the American people to deal boldly with the greatest economic crisis we have seen in decades — and the privilege of investing unprecedented amounts of their hard-earned money to address this crisis," Obama told a gathering of mayors at the White House.

I just can't believe he said that we have been given the "privilege" of giving our hard earned money away.

Funny, I don't feel so privileged.

1108 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:42:31am

re: #1082 VegasRick

GHANDIAN HARDBALL? That would make a great name for a male stripper or something.

1109 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:43:13am

re: #1100 realwest

I do get the Rasmussen stuff, as well as Zogby. The nation is still mixed on the mortgage plan, but isn't it funny how the plan went from $75 billion to $275 billion literally overnight? It's going to be far more than that.

This wasn't included in the stimulus package, despite the fact that it is more "stimulus" than most of the pork in that mess that wont even start breaking ground until 2010 or later.

The reason for that is simple - this way Obama can claim that he's doing something specific for homeowners.

Meanwhile, note that Obama has created a new non-metric metric to describe whether the porkfest works - jobs created or saved.

Back in the day, jobs created was easy enough to figure out - unemployment rates went up and down, jobless claims go up or down, number of jobs reported going up or down, new business starts, etc.

Now? Obama can claim he's done what he set out to do by saying that 4 million people are still working that otherwise would have been out of job but for the porkfest.

He's gone and changed the game and a completely incurious media has allowed him to get away with it.

1110 Caboose  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:43:30am

re: #30 gmsc

Oklahoma Man Talks About Secret Service Visit For Displaying Anti-Obama Sign (Video)

Let a million similar signs bloom.

1111 subsailor68  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:43:36am

re: #1102 smokefire

What a great video! Thanks! It brought back memories of riding down the ways in Mare Island almost 40 years ago. What a ride that was!

1112 WriterMom  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:43:48am

re: #1085 Kenneth

There you go, making sense again.

{Kenneth}

1113 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:44:24am

re: #955 jaunte

From the link:

Student support for the protestors and their cause was far from universal.

"It's ridiculous," said Mitchell Goulding, 18, who works for the school newspaper. "Everyone was with them if they were focusing on budgetary disclosure, but somehow Gaza got involved, and 20 other demands, and they lost people."

Goulding didn't bite his tongue.

"The general consensus right now among the student body is that they are a bunch of idiots," he said.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

1114 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:44:40am

re: #1112 WriterMom

It's an annoying habit of mine. ;)

1115 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:44:55am

re: #1098 AMER1CAN

I drive 2 hours each day. 1 going to work. 1 coming home. We live out in the county so I am willing to make the drive because we got tired of living in the city. Total 70 miles a day. 35 each way. I guess I'd be a profit center for the government.

I live 30-35 miles from work; further in to Boston, houses get very expensive, so I got one where I was comfortable with the payments. (Realtors and banks said I could afford 2-3x the mortgage payments I have now)

And most high-tech in the area is in places that do not have good public transit; that is typical when you have industrial parks spread out. Their rents are cheaper than in the city as well.

I did have a couple of jobs in Boston, but the commuter rail stinks if you have to work late. (Trains home at 4:40, 5:20, 6:15, 6:40 (new since I don't need it) and 7:35.)
It is hard to get out at 6:00, and impossible to get the 6:15 even then (which gets to where I live around 7:30). 7:35 gets me home around 9PM, way too late.


Anyway, heading out for a while

1116 smokefire  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:45:31am

re: #1111 subsailor68

reminds me of the 3 launches I was at, while at E.B.F.D.

USS New York City, USS Indianapolis, USS Corpus Christi

1117 subsailor68  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:47:09am

re: #1116 smokefire

reminds me of the 3 launches I was at, while at E.B.F.D.

USS New York City, USS Indianapolis, USS Corpus Christi

Hope none of those were in 5 degree weather (like Augusta's). Those folks looked COLD!

;-)

1118 Kenneth  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:47:32am

A Third Lebanon War?
Michael J. Totten


The Lebanese-Israeli border has been calmer during the last two and a half years than it has been in decades. Hezbollah replenished its arsenal of rockets after the 2006 war, but has chosen to lay low in the meantime. Not one Israeli soldier has been kidnapped since the war’s end, and not a single Hezbollah rocket has landed in Israel. Nothing stays the same in the Middle East for long, though, and Israel and Lebanon may be headed for confrontation again.

One year to the day after Hezbollah military commander Imad Mugniyeh was assassinated by a car bomb in downtown Damascus, Alice Fordham published a piece at NOW Lebanon that makes for sobering reading. She quotes a number of analysts in both Lebanon and Israel who fear another round of violence is coming. Hezbollah’s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah blames Israel for killing Mugniyeh, and he vows vengeance. His threat appears to be credible. Terrorist attacks against Israeli interests by Hezbollah cells have been foiled on three continents -- in Europe, Egypt, and Azerbaijan.

Totten is always a must-read.

1119 FrogMarch  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:47:52am

re: #1082 VegasRick

Fuck newsweak in the ass.
[Link: news.prnewswire.com...]

Newsweek - a campaign publication for the Progressive/liberal.

1120 alegrias  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:48:17am

re: #1080 redstateredneck

Grapes are one of the worst fruits you can eat if you're diabetic!

* * *
Glycemic index of grapes: 43

Fruits with lower glycemic indexes:
Plums (24)
grapefruit (25)
peaches (28)
dried apricots (31)
apples (36)
pears (36)

(source, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1995) from Prevention's "Outsmart Diabetes" 2002 edition.

1121 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:50:53am

re: #1037 JCM
Hi JCM! Hey, I didn't know the New Yorker magazine was still being published! You're article just made me realize that it's probably going to stop being published in the near future.

1122 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:51:30am

re: #1110 Caboose

Let a million similar signs bloom.

I know, any suggestions for signage?

"Obama: Change!
From prosperity to communism!
Then hope! for government cheese!
Waffles comrades waffles!"

1123 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:52:44am
1124 UFO TOFU  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:53:17am

re: #1109 lawhawk


Meanwhile, note that Obama has created a new non-metric metric to describe whether the porkfest works - jobs created or saved.


I hate to say it, but Obama may just be a teeny bit smarter that I thought.

1125 alegrias  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:55:39am

re: #1071 lawhawk

It's a disincentive to buy a car altogether.... and push more people to mass transit. Those people who have no choice, like those where there isn't the population density to make mass transit feasible, or those who can't afford to take 3 hours to commute to work because mass transit doesn't have a schedule that fits their work hours, are screwed.

* * *
May I observe that since Obama's election, "America's Metro System" in your nation's capital, has gone to hell.

Yes, first the bureaucratic excuse was they were practicing for the "Nauggeration" (Jan. 20th, 2009).

Now service is horrible, trains stop for no discernible reason, escalators don't work, train operators threaten & yell at all customers on board when one person attempts to hold train doors open.

DC's Metro is threatening cutbacks in service, closing stations, basically punishing the riders and taxpayers.

It's extortion and union muscling for a massive bailout while punishing the poor slobs trapped on board.

Ronald Reagan fired the public servants who cut off service to the public.

Obama will reward these slothful greedy bastards who strangle your nation's capitol, defense workers, Pentagon troops, students, tourists, any & all Americans visiting their now THIRD WORLD Capital transit system.

1126 alegrias  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 8:59:42am

re: #1109 lawhawk

* * *
Obama's creating "ACORN" jobs, like Johnny Appleseed did, by "spreading the wealth" (of suckers) around.

1127 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:00:02am

re: #1060 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - uh, what's the GF got to say about......
Hmmm. Pehaps you could send me another e-mail or tell me if the last e-mail addy you used to send me that e-mail is still good for reaching you?
I've got a few things I'd like to say, but in private.

1128 capitalist piglet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:02:06am

re: #1109 lawhawk

Meanwhile, note that Obama has created a new non-metric metric to describe whether the porkfest works - jobs created or saved.

Back in the day, jobs created was easy enough to figure out - unemployment rates went up and down, jobless claims go up or down, number of jobs reported going up or down, new business starts, etc.

Now? Obama can claim he's done what he set out to do by saying that 4 million people are still working that otherwise would have been out of job but for the porkfest.

He's gone and changed the game and a completely incurious media has allowed him to get away with it.

It reminds me of the time-tested technique of "saving" money by buying a $500 handbag on sale for $325.

"Honey, I saved $175 today!"

1129 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:02:20am

re: #728 FrogMarch

Watched Bill Clinton desperately spin the Stimulus as a good thing. The man comes off as a combination used car salesman/purveyor of snake oil.

Those two professions are a couple of level's above Slick. IMO.

1130 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:03:02am

re: #1071 lawhawk
Well actually the folks who live in Urban America are more screwed - you know that groceries and arugala and fine wine don't just magically appear on the grocery store shelves, how come those asshat's don't know that?!

1131 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:08:34am
1132 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:17:11am

re: #1109 lawhawk
Oh I agree with you about Obama's changing the metric, but it won't matter to all those unfortunate folks who remain unemployed - there will be BIG TIME buyer's remorse from them.
And I STILL think that regardless of what the MSM says, there is gonna be a taxpayer revolution before he's up for re-election.

1133 realwest  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:26:07am

Well I gotta run y'all - have a great day and I hope I get the chance to see you down the road.

1134 A.W.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 9:50:51am

Hey if you click my name, you will go to a story about how Bibi is apparently going to be the next PM of Isreal, and telling us about how he is very focused on dealing with Iran.

I get the feeling that this is perversely all a good outcome. I think when Bush was president, Isreal knew it had a friend in him and that filled them with a false sense of security. Now I think isreal has said, "oh sh--, now the peacenicks are in charge. bring back bibi so he can kick iran's behind." so like with iraq's nuclear program, isreal might save our collective asses. its depressing that it is necessary, but its better than the alternative.

1135 [deleted]  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:31:43am

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