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Evolution is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it…. Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory.

Jimmy Swaggart

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1 Sharmuta  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:14:56pm

And how much money did this guy pay for sex?

2 sngnsgt  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:15:29pm

Ahhh, open late for business...

3 srb1976  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:17:29pm

How does a 4 year old on perscription cough syrup manage to still b e awake @ 1 AM? I'm trying to outwait him, but I don't know if i can

4 Salem  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:17:42pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

And how much money did this guy pay for sex?

I suppose he blamed all that on Darwin, too.

5 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:17:57pm

re: #2 sngnsgt

Ahhh, open late for business...

Open all night for your blogging and troll hunting pleasure...

6 freetoken  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:19:01pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Bet he overpaid.

7 Unakite  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:19:39pm

".... Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory"

And that's a scientific fact!
/

8 Unakite  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:21:16pm

re: #2 sngnsgt

Ahhh, open late for business...

Been waiting, drink in hand (not on the floor yet)(my drink, not me(.

9 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:23:09pm

re: #1 Sharmuta
3.7 million dollars or wait nm that just recently occured.

10 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:25:06pm

Does this mean that atheists accept Satanic theory or that Satanists are atheists?

11 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:26:20pm

Paging Kilgore Trout....

Hi every one

12 srb1976  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:26:29pm

re: #10 Gus 802

Does this mean that atheists accept Satanic theory or that Satanists are atheists?

Neer quite got the whole "atheists worship the devil" thing..... seems a bit of a stretch even for folks used to...stretching

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:26:34pm

re: #6 freetoken

Bet he overpaid.

There is no amount of money that could qualify as 'overpaying' for sex with Swaggart.

14 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:26:44pm

re: #11 winston06

Paging Kilgore Trout....

Hi every one

15 freetoken  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:26:59pm

re: #10 Gus 802

Literally, it means that non-atheists are incapable of accepting evolution. From which it would follow that the Pope is an atheist (assuming the Pope actually believes the official statements of the Vatican.)

16 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:28:15pm

re: #12 srb1976

Neer quite got the whole "atheists worship the devil" thing..... seems a bit of a stretch even for folks used to...stretching

Yes, a moment of befuddlement followed by greater befuddlement of the masses.

/

17 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:28:44pm

A unicorn walks into a bar and sits down to order a drink.

The bartender walks over and says " Hey, why the long face?"

18 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:28:45pm

Swaggart was caught in Louisiana...I'm just sayin'...

19 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:29:26pm

re: #17 Dustyvet

lol

20 SurferDoc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:30:17pm

re: #14 winston06

Hi, Winston!

21 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:30:36pm

re: #20 SurferDoc

hi doc

22 theheat  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:30:43pm
Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it.

Straight from the Reverend Of The Fallen Pants.

23 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:30:52pm

re: #15 freetoken

Literally, it means that non-atheists are incapable of accepting evolution. From which it would follow that the Pope is an atheist (assuming the Pope actually believes the official statements of the Vatican.)

Ah. Speaking of the Vatican. I was searching there and found this statement from Cardinal Paul Poupard:

Atheism and non-belief, phenomena that seemed to have something rather masculine and urban about them and to be found particularly among those with an above-average culture, have changed their profile and now seem to be connected more with a lifestyle. Consequently, non-belief is increasing among women who go out to work

That was from 2004 so it's a rather modern line of thought. So, all yee husbands out there! Beware, work may make your wif into an atheist and perhaps later into a Satanist.

24 freetoken  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:33:30pm

re: #23 Gus 802

That was from 2004 so it's a rather modern line of thought. So, all yee husbands out there! Beware, work may make your wif into an atheist and perhaps later into a Satanist.

Yeah... better keep them in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant...

/ducking

25 Neutral President  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:33:43pm

re: #12 srb1976

It's two parts cognitive dissonance plus one part willful ignorance.

26 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:33:53pm

A priest has been summoned for a meeting with the archbishop. He's ushered into the archbishop's office, and the archbishop tells him that there's a conference at the Vatican the next week, and that he wants him to go there and represent their archdiocese at the conference. He also tells him that he's going to get to meet the pope. So the priest is very excited and honored, and the next week, he flies to Rome. When he gets there, he goes and rents a car and starts driving to the Vatican. He's driving along a deserted stretch of autostrada when a unicorn comes bounding out of the woods, and—BAM!—the priest smashes his car right into the unicorn. The dazed priest slowly gets out of the mangled Fiat and goes over to where the unicorn's lying. He stands there for a second in disbelief, marveling at the beauty of the dying creature. Then he notices that it seems as if the unicorn is trying to speak, so he gets down and cradles its head in his arms and leans in to listen. The unicorn turns his eyes toward the priest and, with his dying breath, says, "All my life, I never got to do what I wanted."

27 SurferDoc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:34:15pm

The very few Satanists I ever met were pretty lame. I wonder if there was ever anything to Satanism at all?

28 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:34:35pm

re: #27 SurferDoc

nah, it is a fashion statement more than anything else

29 srb1976  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:34:36pm

re: #25 ArchangelMichael

It's two parts cognitive dissonance plus one part willful ignorance.

that must be it....the mix strikes me as somewhat hard to swallow = )

30 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:35:21pm

USMC Fat Albery

[Link: www.airliners.net...]

31 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:35:22pm

Guess everyone is either asleep or falling asleep.re: #28 winston06

nah, it is a fashion statement more than anything else

Beat me to it.

32 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:36:08pm

re: #31 Gus 802

slow tonight. lizards partying.......

33 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:37:07pm

re: #24 freetoken

Yeah... better keep them in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant...

/ducking

The interesting part is that Card. Poupard not doubt never worked at real job in his entire life and by nature his contact with women has been... limited.

34 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:37:20pm

Two hunters were in a lodge, making small talk. One of them asked the other, "So, what do you hunt?" He answered, "I hunt unicorns."

The first hunter was startled, but said, "Really? How do you do that?"

The other answered "I find a virgin and hire her to help me. The virgin sits around in the woods until a unicorn comes to her. When it does, it sets off a snare."

The first hunter said "Boy, they must be hard to find. I've heard of them, but I've never seen one."

The second hunter said "Yeah, and there aren't many unicorns around, either!"

35 SurferDoc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:38:16pm

re: #34 Dustyvet

LOL!

36 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:38:31pm

re: #34 Dustyvet

/rimshot

37 srb1976  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:41:16pm

Alright, I guess the boy wins, I've got to get some sleep, night all

38 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:42:22pm
"Many of those people involved in Adolf Hitler were Satanists, many were homosexuals. The two things seem to go together"

Pat Robertson

39 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:42:35pm

Damn, those Satanists get around.

40 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:43:14pm

Stop repeat offenders. Don't re-elect them!

41 Unakite  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:45:49pm

Boy, I tell ya, is it slow tonight! How slow is it? Why, it's so slow...(fill in the blank).

42 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:46:03pm

re: #41 Unakite

Boy, I tell ya, is it slow tonight! How slow is it? Why, it's so slow...(fill in the blank).

It's lonely at the top, but you eat better.

43 Unakite  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:47:16pm

re: #33 Gus 802

The interesting part is that Card. Poupard not doubt never worked at real job in his entire life and by nature his contact with women has been... limited.

Some similarity with congress. But only the "never worked a real job" part.

44 SurferDoc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:47:34pm

re: #41 Unakite

Boy, I tell ya, is it slow tonight! How slow is it? Why, it's so slow...(fill in the blank).

...it's so slow the muggers in Central Park are mugging each other.

/Johnny Carson circa 1975

45 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:48:34pm

re: #43 Unakite

Some similarity with congress. But only the "never worked a real job" part.

Or, the White House.

/

46 Unakite  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:49:37pm

re: #44 SurferDoc

...it's so slow the muggers in Central Park are mugging each other.

/Johnny Carson circa 1975

Not only slow, but old.
/was watching JC circa 1975.

47 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:49:54pm

You know, when guys like Swaggart say things like this they're just inviting derision.

48 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:50:08pm

re: #46 Unakite

Not only slow, but old.
/was watching JC circa 1975.

your so slow that the "Chariots of Fire" theme song plays when you walk.

49 Unakite  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:50:58pm

re: #45 Gus 802

Or, the White House.

/

Especially the White House. But hey, Hope and Change.

50 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:51:25pm

It's slower that a tortoise on valium.

51 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:51:36pm

re: #49 Unakite

Especially the White House. But hey, Hope and Change.

And off we go to fight the Yes We Can Wars!

52 Unakite  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:52:28pm

re: #48 Dustyvet

your so slow that the "Chariots of Fire" theme song plays when you walk.

In 16 rpm.

53 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:52:31pm

It turns slower than a flint lock CD player

54 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:52:39pm

It's slower than a soccer match.

/Doh!

55 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:53:31pm

re: #39 Gus 802

Damn, those Satanists get around.

Is it required that Satanists have a devil- may-care attitude?

56 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:53:43pm

re: #49 Unakite Secret Service is enroute for Insulting the president please remain indoors patiently while transportation to reeducation camp 1639 is arranged.

57 Unakite  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:53:53pm

re: #50 Dustyvet

It's slower that a tortoise on valium.

OK, night's still young but we have a contender.

58 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:54:33pm

re: #55 calcajun

/rimshot

59 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:55:18pm

re: #58 Gus 802

I have so been waiting to do that one.

60 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:55:48pm

For those who thought that evolution was the sole target of these dishonest madmen: Creationists declare war over the brain

61 SurferDoc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:56:03pm

It's great to have a new crowd to work the old jokes again.

62 winston06  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:56:26pm
63 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:56:55pm

re: #60 Dan G. Summer linked a similar article in the last thread.

64 Dustyvet  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:57:04pm

re: #61 SurferDoc

It's great to have a new crowd to work the old jokes again.

What is the definition of innocence?

A nun working in a condom factory thinking she's making sleeping bags for mice.

65 Gus  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:57:39pm

re: #64 Dustyvet

What is the definition of innocence?

A nun working in a condom factory thinking she's making sleeping bags for mice.

Nooooooooooo!

:)

66 Dan G.  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:57:45pm

re: #63 Rustler

Thanks. I actually tried to hunt it down for her, but I guess she found it before me.

67 Brit in Japan  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:58:07pm

A toupee and a piece of crap go into a bar.

The barman says; "I'm not serving you!"

"Why not?" says the toupee.

The barman says; "Well, you're off your head, and your mate's steaming!"

BiJ

68 SurferDoc  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:58:14pm

re: #64 Dustyvet

What is the definition of innocence?

A nun working in a condom factory thinking she's making sleeping bags for mice.

Ding!

69 Unakite  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:58:29pm

re: #56 Rustler

Secret Service is enroute for Insulting the president please remain indoors patiently while transportation to reeducation camp 1639 is arranged.

Will do. Don't plan on going anywhere until they get here. Maybe if I hop on my tortoise and give it Valium, I can make a clean getaway.

70 Rustler  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:58:57pm

re: #66 Dan G.
Was early in the previous thread.

71 calcajun  Fri, Feb 20, 2009 11:59:45pm

Ahh. Nite, gang

72 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:00:00am

Today in History, February 21:

re: #1 Sharmuta

And how much money did this guy pay for sex?

I don't know - but Jimmy Swaggart first confessed his sin (without specifying the sin initially) on today's date - February 21, 1988!

73 Dan G.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:00:31am

re: #70 Rustler

I know. I posted it there to expand on her article, since this one dealt explicitly with the philosophy and the strategic goals of the DI.

74 Brit in Japan  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:00:33am

The Earth going round the sun is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it.... Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory.

— Jimmy Swaggart if he lived a few hundred years ago.

75 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:01:59am

re: #73 Dan G.
Ahh ok.

76 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:03:26am

re: #17 Dustyvet

A unicorn walks into a bar and sits down to order a drink.

The bartender walks over and says " Hey, why the long face?"

We have the same joke in Las Vegas, but we replace "unicorn" with "Celine Dion".
;)

77 Gus  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:03:37am

re: #74 Brit in Japan

The Earth going round the sun is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it.... Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory.

— Jimmy Swaggart if he lived a few hundred years ago.

Not far of the mark.

78 Gus  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:05:08am

Now I'm curious what the Satanist theory would be for the evolution of biology.

79 Gus  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:05:29am

I already heard about the Xenu theory.

80 Steffan  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:06:37am

Quoting Jimmy Swaggart on anything regarding moral values or science is kinda like quoting Madoff on the stock market.

Swaggart, Falwell, Robertson.... those morons lost all rights to claiming moral rectitude by their actions. Swaggart tearfully admitted that he had "sinned".... and Falwell and Robertson blamed 9/11 on our sins. Stupid gits.

I think the only televangelists I actually enjoyed watching were Gene Scott and Fred Price. Scott was a trip to watch, especially when he cranked up his bureaucratic monkey toys. Fred Price was the only one I ever saw who actually had an open Bible in his hand on camera.

The last church that I or my family attended regularly was the drive-in church run by Robert Schuller before he built the Crystal Cathedral. He tore down the screen of a drive-in theater and built his church there -- there was an open balcony so he could directly address both the walk-in crowd inside the building, and the drive-in crowd (listening to him on the theater's speakers) out on the lot. AFAIK the Crystal Cathedral sits on the site of his original church, and has the same balcony arrangement.

Lately, I've been abiding by Matthew 6:6.

81 winston06  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:06:38am

good night y'all

82 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:07:05am

Vikings Vs Monks

83 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:10:11am

re: #80 Steffan

Lately, I've been abiding by Matthew 6:6.

I'm more a Genesis 2:25 man, myself.
(No, I'm not married.)

84 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:11:39am

Prime Time - Funny Animation

85 Salamantis  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:14:25am

Slower than a paraplegic snail.

86 Rides a Pale Horse  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:15:31am

Three contractors are bidding to fix a broken fence at the White House.

One is from Chicago, another is from Tennessee, and the third is from Minnesota.

All three go with a White House official to examine the fence.

The Minnesota contractor takes out a tape measure and does some measuring, then works some figures with a pencil. "Well," he says, "I figure thejob will run about $900: $400 for materials, $400 for my crew and $100
profit for me."

The Tennessee contractor also does some measuring and figuring, then
says, "I can do this job for $700: $300 for materials, $300 for my
crew and $100 profit for me."

The Chicago contractor doesn't measure or figure, but leans over to
the White House official and whispers, "$2,700."

The official, incredulous, says, "You didn't even measure like the
other guys! How did you come up with such a high figure?"

The Chicago contractor whispers back, "$1000 for me, $1000 for you,
and we hire the guy from Tennessee to fix the fence."

"Done!" replies the government official.

And that, my friends, is how the new stimulus plan will work.

87 Brit in Japan  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:16:00am

Slower than an asthmatic ant, with a bag of heavy shopping.

88 Gus  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:16:59am

re: #84 Dustyvet

Prime Time - Funny Animation


[Video]

What country was that made in?

89 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:17:23am

Slower than a herd of snails traveling through peanut butter.

90 SurferDoc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:17:43am

Good night, Lizards! Thanks for the laughs.

91 Salamantis  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:18:28am

Slower than frozen molasses.

92 Dan G.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:18:52am

Slower than evolution.

93 Gus  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:19:23am

re: #92 Dan G.

Slower than evolution.

/Rimshot

94 Brit in Japan  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:19:35am

Slower than a creationist... evolving.

95 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:19:50am

Slower than a geriatric slug on a salted snowed in street.

96 Brit in Japan  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:20:00am

re: #92 Dan G.

Slower than evolution.

You beat me to it.

97 Dan G.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:20:07am

re: #93 Gus 802

Long day = delirium

98 Dan G.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:21:11am

Slower than the "stimulating" effects of the "stimulus". (Is backwards slower than forwards?)

99 Gus  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:21:44am

re: #98 Dan G.

Slower than the "stimulating" effects of the "stimulus". (Is backwards slower than forwards?)

Only in a dream.

100 Dan G.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:22:32am

re: #99 Gus 802

Speaking of which... goodnight all few of you.

101 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:23:03am

re: #88 Gus 802

What country was that made in?

Gus, it was made by a guy named Ton Dor...did a web search and can't find out much about him.

102 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:24:00am

Slower than a Pentium II:

103 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:24:16am

Slower than an economic recovery under 0bama.

104 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:24:49am

re: #85 Salamantis

Slower than a paraplegic snail.

Can they do that?

105 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:25:09am

re: #103 gmsc

Slower than an economic recovery under 0bama.


What economic recovery?


/S

106 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:26:33am

re: #94 Brit in Japan

Slower than a creationist... evolving.

Slower than an evolving creationist?

107 Gus  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:27:17am

re: #101 Dustyvet

Gus, it was made by a guy named Ton Dor...did a web search and can't find out much about him.

OK, thanks. Interesting film.

108 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:28:00am

re: #105 Dustyvet

What economic recovery?

/S

Exactly.

109 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:29:34am

re: #95 gmsc

Slower than a geriatric slug on a salted snowed in street.

1. Late-night levity and just wanted to get some conversation going earlier. Thanks for playing along.
w
2. Slugs and salt, Eeewwww!

110 Gus  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:30:26am

Is it always this slow around this time of the week and time?

111 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:30:37am

re: #98 Dan G.

Slower than the "stimulating" effects of the "stimulus". (Is backwards slower than forwards?)

Just as fast, only in the wrong direction.

112 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:30:42am

re: #107 Gus 802

OK, thanks. Interesting film.

If you click on the video and go to you tube, he has an email address in the information box.

113 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:32:10am

Am I a bad person if this news just made my evening?

114 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:33:01am

At an auction in Manchester a wealthy American announced that he had lost his wallet containing £10,000 and would give a reward of £100 to the person who found it.
From the back of the hall a Scottish voice shouted, "I'll give £150!"

115 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:34:46am

A Scots boy came home from school and told his mother he had been given a part in the school play. "Wonderful," says the mother, "What part is it?" The boy says "I play the part of the Scottish husband!" The mother scowls and says: "Go back and tell your teacher you want a speaking part."

116 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:35:58am

re: #110 Gus 802

Is it always this slow around this time of the week and time?

Funny, I've been asking myself the same thing. I guess time zones have a lot to do with it.

117 Gus  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:36:32am

re: #112 Dustyvet

If you click on the video and go to you tube, he has an email address in the information box.

OK, Tom Dor, Israel.

Seemed Middle Eastern. I actually thought it might be from Iran.

118 JimmyTheClaw  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:36:37am

blah just hillbillie engineered a fix for a radiater heating system tommorow will go buy correct parts to fix so is this the drinking thread

119 Gus  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:38:49am

re: #118 JimmyTheClaw

blah just hillbillie engineered a fix for a radiater heating system tommorow will go buy correct parts to fix so is this the drinking thread

Yep, we got areselves a ce-ment pond, a washboard fer the percussion, and a saw fer the high notes.

120 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:39:18am

Mis-Reading the Recession?

The narrative is that this recession is driven by a credit crunch. So why is consumer lending arguably stronger than in any of the past 9 recessions?

[see link for graph]

Some suggestion from the article's comments:

link:
Securitization market became a big part of consumer finance, and is now largely gone. I don’t know that it’s reflected in these numbers
February 20, 2009, 1:46 pm

m:
As businesses deleverage, which they are doing, they won’t be able to offer as much credit to consumers. The business credit crunch may not have flowed through to consumers yet.
February 20, 2009, 5:07 pm

TXJim:
People still employed using credit to pay bills.
February 20, 2009, 10:01 pm

TXJim:
ps…and large purchases of ammo and MRE’s.
February 20, 2009, 10:02 pm

121 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:39:24am

re: #117 Gus 802

OK, Tom Dor, Israel.

Seemed Middle Eastern. I actually thought it might be from Iran.

Well done..nut then I'm sleepy as heck...:(

122 Gus  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:40:02am

re: #121 Dustyvet

Well done..nut then I'm sleepy as heck...:(

Found it here:

[Link: www.aniboom.com...]

123 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:40:11am

And why couldn't the loutish baseball umpire have his little boy sit in his lap? Because the son never sits on the brutish umpire.

124 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:41:11am

I think Socks the cat knew too much (like Buddy).

125 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:41:52am

re: #113 Fenway_Nation

Am I a bad person if this news just made my evening?

Um..uh..let me think about that...NOPE! I'm paying my bills and I don't have $13 million or even $6.55 million. If you're making millions and can't rent an apartment, FU! Fire your financial adviser.

126 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:42:59am

A man goes into a fish n chip shop with a salmon under his arm. He asks 'Do you sell fish cakes here?' 'No' was the reply. 'Shame, it's his birthday.

127 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:43:44am

re: #125 Unakite

I can enjoy this on a couple of different levels, since Damon left the Red Sox in 2005 at the behest of his douchebag agent so he could get a fatter comission by having his client sign with the arch-rival Yankees...

128 JimmyTheClaw  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:44:51am

re: #119 Gus 802

Yep, we got areselves a ce-ment pond, a washboard fer the percussion, and a saw fer the high notes.

actually my friend who did the labor corrected me he did the work so it was afro-engineering
/rimshot

super putty (generic billy mays super putty) beer can pipe/hose clamps = quick fix so you dont need a plumber midnight friday night hey we even managed to make last call

129 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:45:50am

re: #118 JimmyTheClaw

blah just hillbillie engineered a fix for a radiater heating system tommorow will go buy correct parts to fix so is this the drinking thread

Not sure what you said but since you asked, I've been drinking since (early this evening) and it's (late) and I've (been drinking).

130 Gus  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:47:23am

re: #128 JimmyTheClaw

Handy friend to have around. I remember some couple was fighting in the back of a tiny house I lived in and broke my bathroom window. He came by later and glued on an old record player cover to it. Looked funny and stupid but it worked.

131 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:47:48am

re: #123 Dustyvet

And why couldn't the loutish baseball umpire have his little boy sit in his lap? Because the son never sits on the brutish umpire.

Are you Scottish, by any chance (just asking)?

132 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:48:59am

re: #131 Unakite

Are you Scottish, by any chance (just asking)?

Nope...:)

133 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:49:28am

A minister was asked to dinner by one of his parishioners, who he knew was an unkempt housekeeper.
When he sat down at the table, he noticed that the dishes were the dirtiest that he had ever seen in his life.
"Were these dishes ever washed?" he asked his hostess, running his fingers over the grit and grime.
She replied, "They're as clean as soap and water could get them."
He felt a bit apprehensive, but blessed the food anyway and started eating. It was really delicious and he said so, despite the dirty dishes.
When dinner was over, the hostess took the dishes outside and yelled, to her dogs "Here Soap! Here Water!"

134 Cato the Elder  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:49:40am

From Wiki on Swaggart:

On October 11, 1991, Swaggart was found in the company of another prostitute, Rosemary Garcia, when he was pulled over by the California Highway Patrol in Indio, California, for driving on the wrong side of the road. According to Garcia, Swaggart stopped to proposition her on the side of the road. When the patrolman asked Garcia why she was with Swaggart, she replied, "He asked me for sex. I mean, that's why he stopped me. That's what I do. I'm a prostitute." Rather than confessing to his congregation, Swaggart told those at Familty Worship Center that "The Lord told me it's flat none of your business."

Remind you of anyone?

Sura (33:50) - [Allah speaking] "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her--specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you [...]"

Sign of false prophets: Getting special messages from God excusing them for acts that they would condemn in others.

135 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:52:38am

Two packets of crisps were walking along the road. A passing car stopped and the driver asked if they would like a lift.
"No thanks," said the crisps, "we're Walkers.

136 Gus  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:56:41am

Later.

137 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:00:18am

re: #135 Dustyvet

Two packets of crisps were walking along the road. A passing car stopped and the driver asked if they would like a lift.
"No thanks," said the crisps, "we're Walkers.

Two bees were flying along and one said, "I need to stop at a gas station." The second bee asked. "where do you want to stop?" The first bee said, "down there, at the Sinclair station." The second bee said "I can't stop there, I'm an Esso Bee."

138 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:00:34am

Kerry Turns Over Hamas Letter to U.S. Consulate

There were conflicting reports over whether U.S. Sen. John Kerry accepted a letter from Hamas to President Obama while traveling in the Middle East -- but his spokesman now says he has turned over the letter after learning where it came from.


Sure he did...whatever you say John!

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

139 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:04:05am

Exclusive: Helen Thomas On "So Called Terrorists"


140 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:07:28am

Today, we mourn the passing of the secret Swiss Bank Account:

BS agreed to turn over the records of people suspected of U.S. tax evasion. UBS also agreed to pay a $780 million "fine" to the US government to avoid prosecution.

UBS signals the end of the secret Swiss bank account
By Lynnley Browning Published: February 19, 2009
In the hush-hush world of Swiss banking, the unthinkable is happening: Secrets are spilling into the open.
UBS, the largest Swiss bank, agreed Wednesday to divulge the names of well-heeled Americans whom the authorities suspect of using offshore accounts at the bank to evade taxes. The bank admitted having conspired to defraud the U.S. Internal Revenue Service and agreed to pay $780 million to settle a sweeping federal investigation into its activities.
[Link: www.iht.com...]

UBS Agrees to Pay $780M, Turn Over Swiss Banking Records
UBS will pay $780 million in fines, penalties, interest and restitution for conspiring to create sham accounts to hide the assets of U.S. clients from the U.S. government.
AP Wednesday, February 18, 2009
WASHINGTON -- Banking giant UBS has agreed to pay $780 million and turn over once-secret Swiss banking records to settle allegations it conspired to defraud the U.S. government of taxes owed by big clients.
As part of the deal struck in federal court in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., UBS has made the unprecedented step of agreeing to immediately turn over to the U.S. government account information for U.S. customers of the bank's cross-border business.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

[Lest you think that words have meaning, here's a dose of oxymoron.]
Bank secrecy maintained despite UBS deal: Swiss FinMin
Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:20am EST
BERNE (Reuters) - Swiss Finance Minister Hans-Rudolf Merz said on Thursday Switzerland's treasured banking secrecy remained in place despite a landmark UBS tax settlement that involved it handing over to Washington some client data.
Merz said, however, that Swiss bank secrecy was not there to protect tax fraud.
"It is evident there has been tax fraud (at UBS)," Merz said at a press conference with the foreign press.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

[The gun to their head. Also, the London Times (below) called this "kill the competition."]
U.S. raises stakes in showdown with UBS over Swiss bank secrecy
By Lynnley Browning Published: January 27, 2009
Raising the stakes in a showdown over Swiss banking secrecy, U.S. prosecutors have given UBS "several weeks" to hand over scores of American client names or ultimately face potential indictment over its offshore banking services, a person briefed on the matter said Monday.
While no indictment is imminent, this person said, any refusal to turn over the names would lead prosecutors to ask a U.S. judge to order UBS, the world's largest private bank, to comply with a prior summons demanding the names of American clients using hidden offshore accounts
[Link: www.iht.com...]

[Note -- this has been developing for some time]
From The Times
July 18, 2008
UBS closes Swiss accounts of US clients
Tom Bawden in New York
UBS caved in to mounting pressure from the US Government yesterday and announced plans to close the Swiss bank accounts of all its American customers and prepared to lift the veil of secrecy that has protected its clients for centuries.
[Link: business.timesonline.co.uk...]

141 DesertSage  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:07:42am

:')

142 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:10:09am

re: #138 Dustyvet

Quislings, traitors and socialists crawling around unchecked in the upper echelons of power like so much vermin.

Can we last 'til 2010 at this rate?

143 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:11:22am

re: #142 Fenway_Nation

Quislings, traitors and socialists crawling around unchecked in the upper echelons of power like so much vermin.

Can we last 'til 2010 at this rate?

God, I sure hope so.

144 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:12:03am

re: #140 gmsc

There's always Lichtenstein or Monaco.

145 DesertSage  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:12:34am

Quislings?

:)

146 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:13:50am

re: #145 DesertSage

Quislings?

:)

Yup Quislings...John Kerry's a card carrying quisling.

147 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:14:29am

re: #140 gmsc

Ooh, I read some of this earlier, but not the part about closing accounts of US clients.
/s Damn, I don't know what I'm going to do with all of my money now. Oh, wait. I don't have any

148 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:16:04am

re: #144 Fenway_Nation

There's always Lichtenstein or Monaco.

Monaco? In Spain?

//

(Quick explanation - yes, I know Monaco is its own country, and that it's Morocco that's in Spain. I had a buddy who always confused the two in high school. His confusion was so constant, I can't help but think of him anytime I hear about Monaco or Morocco.)

149 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:16:05am

re: #145 DesertSage

Quislings?

:)

Quisling, after Norwegian politician Vidkun Quisling, who assisted Nazi Germany to conquer his own country, is a term used to describe traitors ...

150 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:16:14am

re: #144 Fenway_Nation

There's always Lichtenstein or Monaco.

I like Lichtenstein. Never been there, but would love to go.

151 DesertSage  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:16:33am

re: #146 Dustyvet

Yup Quislings...John Kerry's a card carrying quisling.

I like that word......Quisling!

Very good.

152 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:16:49am

re: #143 Dustyvet

I left out the MSM....which is kinda like the plague-carrying fleas on the vermin.

Seriously- I can always count on CNN or ABC or whomever to 'explain' a gaffe, insult or missing back taxes from someone in the 0bama administration.

153 theheat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:17:21am

re: #140 gmsc

I wonder how many politicians and religious figures will turn up.

154 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:18:26am

re: #152 Fenway_Nation

I left out the MSM....which is kinda like the plague-carrying fleas on the vermin.

Seriously- I can always count on CNN or ABC or whomever to 'explain' a gaffe, insult or missing back taxes from someone in the 0bama administration.

I agree, funny how we have to got meaningful news from blog sites...

155 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:19:30am

re: #153 theheat
Anyone taking bets on Geihtner and Dashle showing up on the list?

156 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:20:55am

re: #151 DesertSage

I like that word......Quisling!

Very good.

Vidkun Quisling, executed October 24, 1945, Akershus

157 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:23:41am

re: #150 Unakite

Heh....I was watching Bloomberg earlier today and they had a lawyer on explaining some of the 'banking privacy' laws in different jurisdictions- theoretically the assets/privacy are protected from civil suits, not criminal investigations.

But this guy also mentioned Antigua (probably not the best idea given what happened w/Stanford, atho that made it topical), Belieze, Monaco and Litchenstein.

They also had someone talking about utilities and which company's dividends were relatively safe.....unfortunately they ran out of time before discussing the utilities who's dividends might be at risk

158 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:27:20am

And now, for something a little more fun:

Top 10 Unseen Street View Sights

159 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:28:10am

re: #153 theheat

I wonder how many politicians and religious figures will turn up.

I don't know, but I'm betting there's more sweating than usual in Hollywood and DC.

160 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:29:47am

re: #154 Dustyvet

I agree, funny how we have to got meaningful news from blog sites...

I'm stuck with CNN on my mobile phone- generally only good for looking up sotck quotes on a 20-minute delay. Before I can get to the Money section, I'm treated to various headlines like '0bama Still Popular Despite Slumping Approval Ratings' or 'Holders Comments on Race Draw Criticism, Praise' when the 'praise' comes from an unnamed Huffpo commenter....

Pravda can learn a few things from these guys.

161 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:31:20am

re: #158 gmsc

And now, for something a little more fun:

Top 10 Unseen Street View Sights

Segway Duck

162 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:33:44am

re: #153 theheat

I wonder how many politicians and religious figures will turn up.


I bet if there's one conservative politician/talk radio host etc who's name turns up, his (or her) name will be the only one plastered all over the news even though there'd be dozens of leftist/lib/Dem politicians, entertainers or pundits who turns up in the same audit...

163 Dustyvet  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:35:34am

Weet dreams all...I sitting here checking my eyelids for pin holes...

164 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:36:48am

The New York Times announced a plan today that they say will help cut costs.

They believe that by switching from their current source of newsprint to printing their Sunday Edition on actual New York Times stock certificates, they should be able to enjoy great savings!

165 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:39:50am

re: #162 Fenway_Nation

I bet if there's one conservative politician/talk radio host etc who's name turns up, his (or her) name will be the only one plastered all over the news even though there'd be dozens of leftist/lib/Dem politicians, entertainers or pundits who turns up in the same audit...

I can just see it . . .

Among the people hiding their money were: CHUCK NORRIS! TED NUGENT! KELSEY GRAMMAR!

...and then, when the story is continued on page 13...

(oh, and records of Bill Clinton, Barack 0bama, and Jimmy Carter have been alleged to be among the records, too.)

166 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:41:11am

re: #157 Fenway_Nation

Heh....I was watching Bloomberg earlier today and they had a lawyer on explaining some of the 'banking privacy' laws in different jurisdictions- theoretically the assets/privacy are protected from civil suits, not criminal investigations.

But this guy also mentioned Antigua (probably not the best idea given what happened w/Stanford, atho that made it topical), Belieze, Monaco and Litchenstein.

They also had someone talking about utilities and which company's dividends were relatively safe.....unfortunately they ran out of time before discussing the utilities who's dividends might be at risk

Well, I know here in Virginia they're talking about raising rates for electricity several times in the next year or so. On the upside, part of the increase is to build a new coal-burning plant (eff the wind).

167 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:41:36am

re: #164 gmsc Lol the Failure of the NYTimes is having effects even out here in New Mexico. The Area I live in recently lost it's access to the Albuquerque journal as a result of the Journal losing a $2 million a year contract to print and sell the NYtimes here in New Mexico. Our local area will also be losing access to USA Today starting March first tho our USA Today actually is printed and distributed from Pheonix, AZ it's the Albuquerque journal office that contracts with the Pheonix paper which prints our USA Today. Not that big a deal losing the USA Today but losing the Alb Journal means it's hell for me to keep up with new legislation in the state.(and my daily comics :()

168 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:41:45am

re: #164 gmsc

To be fair, most stocks' prices are in the toilet right now- even the companies that provide something useful (read pretty much anything but newspapers), let alone the NY Times.

Having said that, the NY Times, McClatchey or the Tribune co. were waaaay ahead of the curve in the stock-circling-the-drain department.

169 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:42:08am

0bama on Geithner: Oops!

0bama on Richardson: Oops!

0bama on Killefer: Oops!

0bama on Solis: Oops!

0bama on Daschle: Oops!

USA on 0bama: Oops!

170 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:43:32am

re: #163 Dustyvet

Weet dreams all...I sitting here checking my eyelids for pin holes...

Checked mine. None. Chair is holding me up.

171 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:44:46am

re: #168 Fenway_Nation

To be fair, most stocks' prices are in the toilet right now- even the companies that provide something useful (read pretty much anything but newspapers), let alone the NY Times.

Having said that, the NY Times, McClatchey or the Tribune co. were waaaay ahead of the curve in the stock-circling-the-drain department.

VERY much ahead of the curve - Since June 2002, they're down 93%! June 2002? Must be the housing bubble.
;)

172 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:47:24am

re: #171 gmsc
Oddly enough thats also about the time the outrage from 9/11 started to die down isn't it?

173 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:48:59am

re: #171 gmsc

VERY much ahead of the curve - Since June 2002, they're down 93%! June 2002? Must be the housing bubble.
;)

Between that and Judas Johnny Damon having his assets frozen, I'm feasting on some USDA Grade A Schadenfreude this morning.

Johnny Damon: Looked like Jesus, Throws Like Mary, Acts like Judas.

174 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:49:39am

re: #162 Fenway_Nation

I bet if there's one conservative politician/talk radio host etc who's name turns up, his (or her) name will be the only one plastered all over the news even though there'd be dozens of leftist/lib/Dem politicians, entertainers or pundits who turns up in the same audit...

it's always nice to see someone who finally becomes even a bit as experienced as i am......

/white smoke

175 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:49:41am

re: #172 Rustler

Oddly enough thats also about the time the outrage from 9/11 started to die down isn't it?

Interesting thought . . .

176 DesertSage  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:50:38am

What does white smoke mean?

177 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:52:12am

re: #169 gmsc

0bama on Geithner: Oops!

0bama on Richardson: Oops!

0bama on Killefer: Oops!

0bama on Solis: Oops!

0bama on Daschle: Oops!

USA on 0bama: Oops!

you *did* see the Obama acronym, right?

178 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:52:13am

re: #176 DesertSage
Cover and concealment. pop white smoke as a screen after making a snarky comment allthough some lizards tend to over use it.

179 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:52:16am

re: #172 Rustler

My rage will never die....this includes the rage I have directed at the New York Times for publishing a sympathetic puff-piece on Weather Underground bomb-setter Bill Ayers on September 11th, 2001.

180 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:52:58am

re: #177 redc1c4

you *did* see the Obama acronym, right?

Yep.

181 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:53:49am

re: #176 DesertSage

What does white smoke mean?

that i'm posting,
and among other things.........

/

182 DesertSage  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:54:27am

re: #181 redc1c4

that i'm posting,
and among other things.........

/

Hmmmmm.....

183 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:54:49am

re: #178 Rustler

Cover and concealment. pop white smoke as a screen after making a snarky comment allthough some lizards tend to over use it.

and some never do, even when they should.......

/white smoke

184 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:55:47am

re: #173 Fenway_Nation

Between that and Judas Johnny Damon having his assets frozen, I'm feasting on some USDA Grade A Schadenfreude this morning.

Johnny Damon: Looked like Jesus, Throws Like Mary, Acts like Judas.

Love it. Schadenfreude. Some words say it all. Just not always in English.

185 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:57:08am

re: #182 DesertSage

Hmmmmm.....

it also means the fruitcup is gonna be epic, no matter what LoL and BlueCanuck say.........

/ENJOY!

186 DesertSage  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:58:31am

re: #185 redc1c4

it also means the fruitcup is gonna be epic, no matter what LoL and BlueCanuck say.........

/ENJOY!

So....you're still spiking the fruitcups?

187 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:58:33am

re: #179 Fenway_Nation
I'm still pissed about it as well but I mean among those who routinely read the NYTimes.

188 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:59:20am

re: #184 Unakite

I went my whole life without hearing or using that word until Boston missed the playoffs in '06, and Yankees fans (with their new acquisition, Johnny Damon) never let us hear the end of it.....at least until they got bounced out of the first round by the Detroit Tigers.

189 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:59:30am

re: #183 redc1c4
Who needs cover and Concealment I don't run and perfer the enemy to know Death stalks the land.:P

190 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:00:11am

re: #183 redc1c4

and some never do, even when they should.......

/white smoke

I've only used white smoke once (yesterday, in fact). But then, I'm new. Give me time...
/

191 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:00:41am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------->
Help yourselves!

192 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:00:52am

LoL is running late....time to dust off the fruitcupitron 3000

193 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:01:13am

re: #191 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------->
Help yourselves!

Yummers! Thanks!

**tips karma**

194 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:01:15am

FRUITCUP!

over there-------> somewhere.

help yo selves!

195 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:01:51am

re: #192 Fenway_Nation

LoL is running late....time to dust off the fruitcupitron 3000

Do those who are tardy still serve fruitcup?
;)

196 DesertSage  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:02:26am

I think Red spiked that fruitcup.

197 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:02:27am

gmsc! :-)

red! :-)

Fenway! :-)

198 DesertSage  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:03:17am

Hmmm....I didn't get a smiley.

:'(

199 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:03:23am

re: #185 redc1c4 MMMM Epic fruit cup.

200 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:04:19am

Sage! :-)

Say hi!

Not your usual time here, is it? How've you been?

201 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:05:18am

re: #189 Rustler

Who needs cover and Concealment I don't run and perfer the enemy to know Death stalks the land.:P

if you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck. always leverage ever advantage you have, and always plan that the OPFOR is doing the same.

202 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:05:25am

Lol's fruit cup on the other hand.

203 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:06:07am

re: #188 Fenway_Nation

I went my whole life without hearing or using that word until Boston missed the playoffs in '06, and Yankees fans (with their new acquisition, Johnny Damon) never let us hear the end of it.....at least until they got bounced out of the first round by the Detroit Tigers.

We're not from Boston, but my sister lived there for many years (she's in FLA now). For some screwy reason, my youngest son likes the Patriots.

204 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:06:18am

re: #201 redc1c4

If I'm there it is never a fair fight. Victory thru excessive use of force is my motto.

205 DesertSage  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:06:49am

re: #200 littleoldlady

Sage! :-)

Say hi!

Not your usual time here, is it? How've you been?

I am good LoL. How are you?

206 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:07:13am

Rustler! :-)

NICE presentation!

207 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:08:17am

re: #196 DesertSage

I think KNOWRed spiked that fruitcup.

FTFY!

208 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:08:53am

re: #192 Fenway_Nation

LoL is running late....time to dust off the fruitcupitron 3000

Beat LoL by 30 seconds.

209 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:08:54am

re: #203 Unakite

We're not from Boston, but my sister lived there for many years (she's in FLA now). For some screwy reason, my youngest son likes the Patriots.

He knows an epic, awesome thing when he sees it.

210 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:09:29am

re: #206 littleoldlady
Thanks did you see the link of red's fruitcup a few above it?

211 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:09:51am

Watch the video at the following link for at least 40 seconds:

[Link: www.dailymotion.com...]

Is this where the fruitcup stuff originated?

212 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:10:04am

re: #205 DesertSage

I guess I'm okay.

/not awake yet! ;-)

213 Buster Bunny  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:10:39am

I'm just here for the fruitcup tonight. No commentary, and I left the humour bone at home.

But fruit cup? Cant miss it !

214 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:10:58am

Good Lord....a KNEW is streaming a 3rd hour of the Lars Larsen show?

/Guess I'll be up a little longer

215 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:11:15am

re: #210 Rustler

Goodness! Looks just like our Valerie - many years ago. :-)

216 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:12:03am

re: #212 littleoldlady

I guess I'm okay.

/not awake yet! ;-)

WAKE UP!

Wait - we're being served fruitcup that was made while LoL was drowsy?!?

217 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:12:31am

re: #204 Rustler

If I'm there it is never a fair fight. Victory thru excessive use of force is my motto.

"Before the first shot is fired, the Quartermaster has already decided the outcome of the battle."

Grasshopper, i would suggest you read Sun Tzu, Rommel, Guderian, and Patton, just for the easily available starters. if you can get access to the Army files where they debriefed the Germans about the Eastern Front after the war, those are good too, but a bit stilted.

218 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:12:44am

re: #211 gmsc

Exactly! :-)

/it was a rotating head here at LGF.
//back when we had rotating heads...

219 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:13:04am

re: #209 Fenway_Nation

He knows an epic, awesome thing when he sees it.

He's eight years old and he's a Tom Brady fan (trying to talk him out of it). He wore a Patriots hat to his baseball practice last night.

220 DesertSage  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:13:15am

re: #212 littleoldlady

I guess I'm okay.

/not awake yet! ;-)

That's interesting.....I'm not asleep yet! :')

221 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:13:32am

BUNNY! :-)

222 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:14:14am

Howdy, Unakite! :-)

Welcome to the Dead Thread. :-)

223 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:14:50am

re: #217 redc1c4

"Before the first shot is fired, the Quartermaster has already decided the outcome of the battle."

Grasshopper, i would suggest you read Sun Tzu, Rommel, Guderian, and Patton, just for the easily available starters. if you can get access to the Army files where they debriefed the Germans about the Eastern Front after the war, those are good too, but a bit stilted.

"If you wait long enough by the river, the bodies of your enemies will float by... But those were brutal times."
-Sun Tzu, Art of War

224 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:15:33am

re: #222 littleoldlady

Howdy, Unakite! :-)

Welcome to the Dead Thread. :-)

Thanks. First time up this late (this early?). Sun coming up soon.

225 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:16:35am

re: #217 redc1c4
I have read em I was being snarky. My time in service was spent not being seen. I didn't use smoke because smoke is an indication somoene is there even if you can't see em.

226 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:16:45am

re: #219 Unakite

He's eight years old and he's a Tom Brady fan (trying to talk him out of it). He wore a Patriots hat to his baseball practice last night.

Oldie, but a goodie:

Q: Why did it take so long for the police to start chasing OJ Simpson?

A: The initial APB told the police to be on the lookout for a slow-moving white Bronco, so they were all keeping an eye out for John Elway.
;)

227 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:18:06am

By the way, what sector will the next economic crisis come from? Commercial real-estate or people unable to pay off their credit cards?

/Either way, 0bama will 'solve' it by throwing more money at it and play the class warfare/race card.

228 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:18:35am

re: #226 gmsc

Oldie, but a goodie:

Q: Why did it take so long for the police to start chasing OJ Simpson?

A: The initial APB told the police to be on the lookout for a slow-moving white Bronco, so they were all keeping an eye out for John Elway.
;)

LOL! Heard that before, but still funny.

229 Render  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:18:54am

Hit and run...

BLACK
SMOKE,
R

230 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:19:26am

re: #226 gmsc


What does the OJ in OJ Simpson stand for?

"Oh Jesus! He's got a knife!"

231 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:19:28am

re: #227 Fenway_Nation

Credit cards.

232 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:19:29am

re: #227 Fenway_Nation

By the way, what sector will the next economic crisis come from? Commercial real-estate or people unable to pay off their credit cards?

/Either way, 0bama will 'solve' it by throwing more money at it and play the class warfare/race card.

See post #120 gmsc

Mis-Reading the Recession?

233 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:19:49am

RENDER! :-)

234 DesertSage  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:19:53am

Oh geeez, now we have black smoke.

I need to go to sleep.

235 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:19:56am

re: #226 gmsc

Oldie, but a goodie:

Q: Why did it take so long for the police to start chasing OJ Simpson?

A: The initial APB told the police to be on the lookout for a slow-moving white Bronco, so they were all keeping an eye out for John Elway.
;)

By the way, never liked Elway because of his arrogant attitude.

236 gmsc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:20:47am

Good night, all!

Sleep well!

237 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:21:27am

re: #223 gmsc

"If you wait long enough by the river, the bodies of your enemies will float by... But those were brutal times."
-Sun Tzu, Art of War

i freaked out the would be "senior staff" of the small company i w*rked at.

they prided themselves as being "Corporate America" but were always a bit short. ..... having several versions of Sun Tzu handy, i took to either having one where it could be seen, or using various pithy but not directly threatening quotes as screen savers.........

238 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:21:39am

re: #227 Fenway_Nation

By the way, what sector will the next economic crisis come from? Commercial real-estate or people unable to pay off their credit cards?

/Either way, 0bama will 'solve' it by throwing more money at it and play the class warfare/race card.

I'm no financial wizard, but what I've been reading, it looks like credit cards may be next.

239 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:23:58am

re: #225 Rustler

I have read em I was being snarky. My time in service was spent not being seen. I didn't use smoke because smoke is an indication somoene is there even if you can't see em.

can't argue with that, but we ain't there....... and since i was mostly a peacetime reservist, most of my combat was with my alleged superiors.

240 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:24:23am

'Night, gmsc! :-)

241 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:26:08am

Good Morning Lizards!

242 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:27:31am

Hoosier! :-)

243 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:27:33am

re: #231 littleoldlady

I almost hope that's the case. PLEASE, president 0bama- stick to form and use the class warfare card, and be sure to call out the credit cards for their 'predatory lending practices' (which I partly agree with). And then hope that nobody notices that all those payments for those credit cards w/the predatory lending practices GETS MAILED OFF TO A P.O. BOX IN WILMINGTON, DELAWARE, YOUR VP'S HOME DISTRICT!

244 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:28:17am

Night gmsc, morning Hoosier!

245 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:29:18am

re: #242 littleoldlady

Hoosier! :-)

LOL.. It's always so nice to see you..I only get here every so often so early..
How the hell are you?

246 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:30:17am

re: #244 Fenway_Nation

Night gmsc, morning Hoosier!

Hi Fenway! how goes it?

247 Unakite  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:32:12am

Night all, morning HH, and nice to finally meet you LoL (if that's not too familiar on our first meeting). Sun up soon and I turn to dust.

248 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:32:27am

BTW- is it possible to get a T-shirt of that offensive cartoon with the cops that shot the chimpanzee wonder who will write the next stimulus?

Personally, I find it very offensive. I think a chimpanzee could've done a much better job than congress......

249 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:33:41am

re: #243 Fenway_Nation

Yup. Delaware. A stone's throw from here.

/making me want to jump in the car and find some necks to wring...

But think about this, Fenway. Here's an idea for a "stimulus"/bailout/whatevah that will actually help people and won't cost the taxpayers a dime: LIMIT THE INTEREST RATES ON CREDIT CARDS.

I would use the term "usury" but it's more like highway robbery!

250 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:34:25am

re: #246 HoosierHoops


Bruins in First Place, Celtics in first place, Red Sox spring training about to get underway.....yet it's not enough to distract me from the fact that the current administration is hell-bent on turning the United States of America into a socialist third-world shithole in record time....

251 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:34:40am

re: #245 HoosierHoops

I think I'm okay, Hoosier! :-) How's by you?

252 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:35:03am

'Night, Unakite!

/y'all come back now, y'hear?

253 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:35:13am

re: #229 Render

Hit and run...

BLACK
SMOKE,
R

no:Hit and Run

254 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:39:01am

re: #249 littleoldlady

I'm mostly paid off on my credit cards now. Two of them were issued by a company that eventually got taken over by Bank of America that started out with a reasonable interest rate but got jacked up to 12%-19% once B of A took over.

255 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:40:09am

re: #250 Fenway_Nation

Bruins in First Place, Celtics in first place, Red Sox spring training about to get underway.....yet it's not enough to distract me from the fact that the current administration is hell-bent on turning the United States of America into a socialist third-world shithole in record time....

At least we get to all go to re education camp together...
It will be be fun..just like summer camp as kids...Wait..somebody is knocking on the....

256 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:40:38am

re: #254 Fenway_Nation

I'm mostly paid off on my credit cards now. Two of them were issued by a company that eventually got taken over by Bank of America that started out with a reasonable interest rate but got jacked up to 12%-19% once B of A took over.

that sounds about right......

a bit low, but about right.

257 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:41:00am

re: #251 littleoldlady

I think I'm okay, Hoosier! :-) How's by you?

just wonderful..I got my lizard cookbook the other day..It's awesome.

258 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:42:56am

re: #254 Fenway_Nation

If only I could do that. :-(

In my experience, Citibank is reasonable, Chase is, too. Even Discover can be okay. But Bank of America are honest-to-goodness crooks.

259 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:45:00am

re: #257 HoosierHoops

Oh boy! I forgot about that.

/the perils of not being around much during the day...

260 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:45:28am

re: #256 redc1c4

I'm way too tolerant. If I was a day late with one of the payments, the menacing phone calls from the company would begin. I remember one month I made a more-than-the-minimum payment ahead of schedule and the fuckers called me at work seemingly for no other reason than to make me look like a deadbeat way behind on my credit card in front of my co-workers and supervisors.

Then I see these fuckers get multibillion dollar bailouts from multiple Administrations and I start to wonder who exactly is the irresponsible deadbeat who should be held accountable....

261 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:46:14am

re: #258 littleoldlady

If only I could do that. :-(

In my experience, Citibank is reasonable, Chase is, too. Even Discover can be okay. But Bank of America are honest-to-goodness crooks.

that's an insult to crooks.

i'll bury my money in the back yard before i give it to B of A.

262 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:48:39am

re: #261 redc1c4

I have one check left for B of A....I'm trying to think of something appropraite to put in the 'Memo' line.

I'm thinking of either:
'For Sensuous Massage'
'Go Fuck Yourselves With a Broken Axehandle'
'3500 shares of BAC common stock'

263 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:49:51am

re: #260 Fenway_Nation

I'm way too tolerant. If I was a day late with one of the payments, the menacing phone calls from the company would begin. I remember one month I made a more-than-the-minimum payment ahead of schedule and the fuckers called me at work seemingly for no other reason than to make me look like a deadbeat way behind on my credit card in front of my co-workers and supervisors.

Then I see these fuckers get multibillion dollar bailouts from multiple Administrations and I start to wonder who exactly is the irresponsible deadbeat who should be held accountable....

i've got a flame thrower, if that'll help?

264 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:52:43am
265 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:52:59am

re: #262 Fenway_Nation

I have one check left for B of A....I'm trying to think of something appropraite to put in the 'Memo' line.

I'm thinking of either:
'For Sensuous Massage'
'Go Fuck Yourselves With a Broken Axehandle'
'3500 shares of BAC common stock'

"Fuck you you fucking fucks."

short, sweet and to the point.

266 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 2:55:31am

re: #265 redc1c4

"Fuck you you fucking fucks."

short, sweet and to the point.

I like it!
LOL

267 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:00:32am
268 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:02:38am

re: #264 Iron Fist

Iron Fist! :-)

My short version of your most excellent post: I paid for those bombs - now let's USE THEM!

269 Afrocity  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:03:53am

Morning

270 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:04:57am

Morning Afrocity! How's things in the Windy City?

271 Afrocity  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:05:50am

Windy, there is a blizzard.

272 littleoldlady  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:06:19am

Hiya, Afrocity! :-)

Anyway...time to do something about those credit card bills. :-(

Good day, ALL!™

273 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:06:52am

re: #272 littleoldlady

Who's neck shall be wrung?

274 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:07:09am

re: #264 Iron Fist

Amen..... and then some.

275 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:07:20am
276 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:08:30am

re: #267 Iron Fist

I'd add A Book of Five Rings to that list, and Clauswitz. And last, but in no way least The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. Your education in politics can't be considered complete without having read The Prince.

it wasn'nt meant to be inclusive, just what the average GI might have in his/her ruck.

277 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:09:30am

re: #271 Afrocity

Windy, there is a blizzard.

that sucks.... it was warm & sunny here today.

278 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:10:23am
279 Afrocity  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:10:49am

re: #277 redc1c4

Thanks redc1c4

280 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:12:37am

re: #275 Iron Fist

Man, where did you get a flamethrower? And how much was it? I've wanted a flamethrower since I was something like 12. That or a 20mm Vulcan cannon. The last time I did the Snta Clause thing as a child, I asked for a 20mm Vulcan Phalanx. Sadly, Santa did not abide by my request, so I quit believing in the fucker.

I do think back on that memory, and wonder what the dude really thought of that request :-)

don't get too excited: the last time i saw NIB flamethrowers, they were ChiCom, with all the issues than might be..... gotta love Shotgun News

281 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:13:03am

re: #279 Afrocity

Thanks redc1c4

good mornng! how about a nice cup of coffee?
How is today treating you?

282 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:14:09am

re: #279 Afrocity

Thanks redc1c4

we're here to help, and you're always welcome to visit: Burbank Airport isn't that far away.......

283 Afrocity  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:14:39am

re: #281 HoosierHoops

good mornng! how about a nice cup of coffee?
How is today treating you?

herbal tea please

284 redc1c4  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:15:41am

hasta, y'all......

gotta get some sleep.

285 Afrocity  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:15:48am

I am up because I had a panic attack...Had them since 9/11 when I lived in NYC

286 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:16:30am

re: #275 Iron Fist

I told Santa that I wanted a Franchi SPAS-12 or a select-fire version of the CZ-75 (there was even a rail where an unused magazine could be mounted as a foregrip). I didn't get either this year, so I no longer believe in him.

287 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:16:51am

re: #283 Afrocity

herbal tea please

ah crap.have some japanese green tea on the shelf...
Have any plans for today? I can't wait for springtime

288 Afrocity  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:19:47am

re: #287 HoosierHoops

I was thinking about going to a guitar show.

289 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:20:16am
290 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:22:12am
291 Afrocity  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:23:00am

guess i will leave too.

292 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:23:18am

re: #288 Afrocity

I was thinking about going to a guitar show.

I hope you have a great day..We went dancing last night..Had a blast..
I think I'm still alittle dizzy..typical of me on a saturday morning...:)

293 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:24:02am

re: #291 Afrocity

Have a good time at the guitar show if that's where you wind up heading...

294 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:24:53am

Nightey night (or morning) Ironfist! Afrocity!

295 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:28:48am

Hmmm.....almost got the two crossed up- Iron City? Afro Fist?

/kinda like mixing up chocolate and peanut butter

296 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:33:26am

I gotta give Labrick James his props.. He dropped 55 on the Bucks last night. 8 of 11 from the 3 point line..what a stud!

297 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:36:52am

re: #296 HoosierHoops

Just like I gotta bash him for growing up in northern Ohio, being the biggest name in Cleveland sports and showing up at a Yankees/Indians playoff game at Jacobs Field in a Yankees cap....

298 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:41:59am

re: #297 Fenway_Nation

Just like I gotta bash him for growing up in northern Ohio, being the biggest name in Cleveland sports and showing up at a Yankees/Indians playoff game at Jacobs Field in a Yankees cap....

LOL It's really no different from me being from California rooting for the Sox in 2004 to win the World Championship..We'll not exactly..I can't explain it..
:)

299 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:47:56am

re: #298 HoosierHoops

Of course! Everyone pitied the Sox after Game 3 of the ALDS against the Yankees that year, but began rooting for them because

A) They hated the Yankees almost as much as we do and

B) They wanted to see history be made after Boston was down 0-3

Winning the World Series was the next logical step :P

/Seriously....what person older than their teens can honestly say 'The Yankees in the World Series? Now there's a refreshing change of pace'?

300 HelloDare  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 3:57:47am

re: #18 MrPaulRevere


The video said Swaggart received $500,000 a day in donations.

Swaggart from noun Swag: slang for Stolen property or loot.

301 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:09:14am

Despite all the Swaggart/Falwell/Robertson quotes that start up the open threads, I truly think Jim Jones was the absolute worst of both worlds- even before the tainted flavor-aid was consumed en masse.

Think about it- all the preaching, overbearing hyperbole, fundamentalist zealotry and dogma with the fun and gratifying rewards that come with socialism, collectivism and forefitting your individuality and phyiscal, emotional or financial well-being to an omnipresent authoritarian figure. What's not to love!?

302 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:10:47am
303 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:10:49am

Good morning, Lizards.

304 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:15:11am

Morning, goddess!

305 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:15:55am

re: #300 HelloDare

The video said Swaggart received $500,000 a day in donations.

Swaggart from noun Swag: slang for Stolen property or loot.

How sad..I don't post about religion much if ever..
It breaks my heart that somebody pleads for a little old lady to send her last 20 bucks to a preacher..put your hand on the TV and you will be healed..
It literally breaks my heart when people use religion to manipulate the weak and despaired...
on a positive note..
The sun is now rising in Indiana..Light is starting to come through the windows..We have a new day to live, grow, love, give and enjoy.
Thank you...

306 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:18:33am

Piercing kittens to sell as gothic is just wrong.

307 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:19:46am

{Fenway Nation}

308 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:20:52am

I don't quite know what to think of this one.

309 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:21:47am

re: #307 goddessoftheclassroom

{Fenway Nation}


Goddess.. I hope today finds you well...Did you order the cookbook?

310 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:23:15am

re: #306 Rustler

I was actually a little sad to hear that Socks had passed away- altho' I thought he passed on awhile ago in relative obscurity.

Yet old habits die hard- when I first heard that he has been euthanized, my first thought was 'He knew too much'....

311 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:24:12am

re: #308 Rustler

I don't quite know what to think of this one.

What up? How is Pops doing? Haven't seen him for a couple weeks

312 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:24:40am

It seems that one of the red flags to be used as a tip-off that an investment firm isn't on the up and up is having a small auditor. Apparently Madoff did the same thing.

This is what I don't get: "Michael Zarich, the company's senior investment officer, told authorities he didn't know where 90 percent of Stanford's portfolio was invested." ? How does someone in that position NOT know where the money is?

I especially liked his comment; "If that (telling investors that Sanford did business with this small auditor because the larger firms wouldn't work with him 25 years ago.) didn't work, he said, he told clients that using a name-brand firm "would erode the yields." LOLOLOL That's certainly true; a real auditor would FIND OUT IT WAS A SCAM and then there would be NO yields for the scammers. :>)

313 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:25:30am

re: #311 HoosierHoops He's doing good not sure why he hasn't been posting much but I think he's been lurking. Maybe he hates being out of the loop cause we are no longer worthy of getting Newspapers. The prison has been working him hard tho.

314 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:25:49am

re: #309 HoosierHoops

Goddess.. I hope today finds you well...Did you order the cookbook?

{HoosierHoops}
I haven't ordered it yet, but I need to--if only for the cover!

I've had to uncomfortable confrontations in the past two days with colleagues. I'm finally learning to accept that sometimes I can't placate people who just prefer to be mad.

Neither was about a big deal, but in both cases the other person was trying to assert power, and I wasn't giving in. To be fair, in the second case she had a reason to be annoyed with me but she didn't seem as interested in my apology as she did in venting her anger.

315 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:26:35am

re: #310 Fenway_Nation
Nothing about Socks in that story and I hadn't even heard that Bill's Kitty had died.

316 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:27:30am

re: #315 Rustler

I was just going with the whole kitty theme....

317 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:27:52am

re: #316 Fenway_Nation
Ahh ok.

318 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:28:35am

re: #312 jcw46


Wait....wasn't Arthur Anderson a name-brand auditing firm? That worked for Enron for awhile...

319 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:28:48am

re: #310 Fenway_Nation

I was actually a little sad to hear that Socks had passed away- altho' I thought he passed on awhile ago in relative obscurity.

Yet old habits die hard- when I first heard that he has been euthanized, my first thought was 'He knew too much'....

They found him in Vince Foster's office after they .... (well, YOU know). That's why they gave him to betty currie so she could keep an "eye on him". :>)

320 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:29:43am

Trying right now to find the creek in question on my second posted link where the CA man is suing for the right to dig up a teaxans yard because he saw a ship on it in google earth.

321 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:35:24am

re: #319 jcw46

Speaking of Vince Foster, I always found it moronic ironic that a right-winger expounding on how Vince Foster didn't actually commit suicide was considered by the MSM to be reprehesible, kookey and/or beyond the fringe into the realm of black helicopters and so on....

Yet not even 10 years later, you have prominent Democrats and the MSM endorsing conspiracy theories or 'documentaries' that infer the Bush Administration was singlehandedly responsible for orchestrating the Sept. 11th attacks.....

322 Mr Secul  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:39:09am

re: #23 Gus 802

That was from 2004 so it's a rather modern line of thought. So, all yee husbands out there! Beware, work may make your wif into an atheist and perhaps later into a Satanist.

Then she'll kill you, eat her children then turn into a lesbian and a vegetarian (the trauma of child eating has that effect on people, a scientist proved it!).

323 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:39:37am

Ok I've found the Area depicted in the map in the article now seeking the odd shape he saw in the creek.

324 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:40:03am

re: #314 goddessoftheclassroom

{HoosierHoops}
I haven't ordered it yet, but I need to--if only for the cover!

I've had to uncomfortable confrontations in the past two days with colleagues. I'm finally learning to accept that sometimes I can't placate people who just prefer to be mad.

Neither was about a big deal, but in both cases the other person was trying to assert power, and I wasn't giving in. To be fair, in the second case she had a reason to be annoyed with me but she didn't seem as interested in my apology as she did in venting her anger.

I'm very sorry to hear that..I've haven't been in an issue at work in years..
But as you know I used to build Nuclear Subs at MINSY. Funny story time..you will smile this morning..
************************************
So years ago we had a sub in the ARCO at Pearl cleaning the Main Condensers ..
OK Goddess. I pulled a really funny stunt on the Captain...Maybe I shouldn't post it..He may Read LGF then I'll always have to watch my back..LOL

325 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:42:04am

Here is a link to an article about the "finder".

326 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:43:46am

re: #325 Rustler

Wish I'd looked at this article first woulda saved 30 minutes of scanning the texas plain in 5sq mile blocks hehe.

327 pittrader1988  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:43:49am

I want to take a moment to defend Rick Santelli. Look for the left wing to initiate a smear campaign. Already I see he is being called a racist because he went on CNBC and said that he didn't like the Obama plan.

Hardball's Chris Mathews tried to destroy his credibility buy saying he was biased because he voted for McCain.

Neither of these things are true. Rick is not a racist. He is not biased, even though he did vote for McCain.

Rick is a passionate defender of free market capitalism. He understand markets extremely well. He understands the benefits that free markets can bring to a society.

Rick is not a right wing fanatic. He hated the Bush administrations management of the countries financial system too.

328 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:44:20am

re: #308 Rustler

That isn't quite as disturbing as this one, from your link...

MEDICAL LAKE, Wash. — Sheriff's officers have arrested an 82-year-old man after his wife died on the floor of their home, apparently about 10 weeks after she fell out of bed and was unable to get up.

John Klein was arrested for investigation of second-degree manslaughter after he called 911 on Monday to report that his 73-year-old wife Pia had no pulse.

Klein told Spokane County sheriff's Detective Jim Dresback that his wife of 52 years fell out of bed around last Thanksgiving...

...Klein reportedly told the detective he thought his wife would eventually get up and start walking on her own, adding he told her to exercise while she was lying on the floor. ...


Husband Left Wife on Floor for 10 Weeks Before She Died, Police Say

329 freedombilly  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:44:55am

re: #324 HoosierHoops

My father-in-law is retired Navy and worked on many a nuclear sub for many years.

330 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:45:55am

re: #324 HoosierHoops Post it to late to back out now HH.

331 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:46:12am

re: #328 J.D.
That is just disturbing.

332 freedombilly  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:47:00am

re: #325 Rustler

Here is a link to an article about the "finder".

I guess some California musicians are treasure hunters and others blog.

333 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:51:24am

re: #329 freedombilly

My father-in-law is retired Navy and worked on many a nuclear sub for many years.

I've been very blessed.. I went to work as a Civilian For the DOD at Mare Island out of College..I spent 4 years training in the Nuclear field on Westinghouse 5w reactors and am honored to work for our Country.
I have so much respect for the Navy..Esp. on a test dive as a civilian..
'OH GOD WE ARE GOING TO DIE!' LOL

334 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:51:33am

re: #327 pittrader1988

Neither of these things are true. Rick is not a racist. He is not biased, even though he did vote for McCain.

But did McCain make Santelli's leg tingle?

I caught some smarmy remark from whoever the White House spokestool was about how "I don't know how things are in Mr. Santelli's neighborhood..." (which I guess was supposed to mean that he's rich and ergo out-of-touch with the rest of America).

My reaction to that would've been 'Is that neighborhood anywhere near Mr. 0bama's former residence in Chicago that Tony Rezko got him a great deal on?'

335 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:52:00am

I've come to the conclusion that conservatives need to form a media group and begin from there to attack liberalism. Until we are able to know how to present our political and economic philosophy and have enough outlets to promulgate our message, we're at the mercy of the liberal entertainment/news/propaganda outlets.
It might be better for the republican party to spend money on gaining the necessary media outlets than on candidates. There should be training and practice for candidates and sitting representatives and senators at presenting the conservative side of an argument in a hostile media environment. There should be a constant countering of the lies of commision and omission from the entertainment/news media.

336 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:54:09am

re: #335 jcw46

Well...if nothing else, newspapers companies can be purchased for a song. For now, I think the hard part would be finding advertisers...

337 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:54:21am

Bah I'm to the point where it's about an absolute certainty he will lose the lawsuit. The ship in question was a 3 masted Brigandine and the creek hes looking at is far narrower than the Highway in hte picture posted on the news article. No way in hell a judge will be ruling the river as a navigatible waterway. Now whether or not the State of Texas forces him out(via Immenant Domain) for the States own claim is a question I can't answer. There is also the fact that Spain has recently been suing to get back military shipwrecks and their cargo to muddy this whole affair up.

338 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:55:36am
339 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:55:51am

re: #337 Rustler

For anyone else interested in checking it out look up mission bay or mission creek rather than the Town Refugio named in the article.

340 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:56:11am

re: #328 J.D.

That isn't quite as disturbing as this one, from your link...


Husband Left Wife on Floor for 10 Weeks Before She Died, Police Say

"I don't consider it to be my fault. She did not want help."

I hope that bastard never sees the light of day again.

341 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:56:58am

re: #338 ploome hineni

I saw that a while ago.I thought the man may have had some type of dementia

Good morning ploome..What kind of coffee are you drinking?
Hope today finds you well

342 Karridine  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:57:08am

Well, howdy Lizards, from the gathered gloom of mango-scented, suburban Bangkok!

His Obamaness continues his destructive, anti-American efforts, I see... alongside the Swaggarts and 'academic freedom' supporters across America...

Happy Saturday to y'all! :D

343 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:57:47am

re: #340 MandyManners
Can we leave him on the floor for 10 weeks without assistance? Oh wait Freedom from cruel and unusual punishment is only to protect the guilty not the victims well damn can't we just go back to an eye for an eye.

344 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:58:10am
345 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:58:27am

re: #342 Karridine

Mmmmmango. mmmmmm.

346 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:59:41am

re: #342 Karridine
Heya Karradine.

347 Karridine  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:00:34am

re: #345 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mmmmmango. mmmmmm.

Yeah, the expats don't call Bangkok "The Big Mango" for nothin', Bub! :D

348 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:01:01am

re: #342 Karridine

I'm Considering a move to Cuba or another like weathered location. If I'm gonna live in a socialist state I may as well live in one where the weather is good.

349 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:01:29am

re: #328 J.D.

I hope there is a less sinister explanation than I am thinking for this.... can't imagine one, but I hope there is one.

350 Karridine  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:01:36am

re: #346 Rustler

You're up to no good I see...

..well, THAT's a relief! :P

351 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:01:51am

re: #318 Fenway_Nation

Wait....wasn't Arthur Anderson a name-brand auditing firm? That worked for Enron for awhile...


I believe that David Duncan was the source of the failure of Arthur Anderson. That and the fact that Enron was A.A.'s 2nd largest customer led to HQ being willing to overlook/ignore any misgivings or questions by outsiders. Even their initial conviction concerning the shredding of documents was overturned by the SCOTUS.

Point source failure gets ya every time.

352 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:03:14am

re: #327 pittrader1988

I want to take a moment to defend Rick Santelli. Look for the left wing to initiate a smear campaign. Already I see he is being called a racist because he went on CNBC and said that he didn't like the Obama plan.

Hardball's Chris Mathews tried to destroy his credibility buy saying he was biased because he voted for McCain.

Neither of these things are true. Rick is not a racist. He is not biased, even though he did vote for McCain.

Rick is a passionate defender of free market capitalism. He understand markets extremely well. He understands the benefits that free markets can bring to a society.

Rick is not a right wing fanatic. He hated the Bush administrations management of the countries financial system too.

Wow. How far we have sunk when one is called biased/a racist because one didn't vote for an African-American candidate.

353 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:03:23am

re: #338 ploome hineni

I saw that a while ago.I thought the man may have had some type of dementia

I thought of that, but it's hard to believe if he was that bad off he would have been able to take care of himself, which he clearly did.

re: #340 MandyManners

"I don't consider it to be my fault. She did not want help."

I hope that bastard never sees the light of day again.

Can you believe it?

354 Karridine  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:03:43am

re: #348 Rustler

Ah, there's some ointment on your fly...

Cuba is a 3rd-World country in the debilitating advanced stages of brutal Socialism, and America is NOT.

/rethink THAT, Rustler...

355 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:03:50am

re: #344 ploome hineni

:D

thanks, not drinking coffee yet

what are you drinking?

going to pick up a puppy today, very excited

That is very exciting..Winston and me went out this cold morning and played in the backyard in freezing weather...In a couple of months we will be floating around the pool working on our Tan with mrs. hoopster delivering beer and munchies..I miss swimming laps!
Kind regards ploome...

356 gregg  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:04:13am

re: #327 pittrader1988

I was reading a finance/economics message board which has a mix of posters from across the political spectrum. Those on the left were accusing Santelli of trying to stir up class warfare, which is very dangerous. Goodness gracious, class warfare is the bread-n-butter of the Democratic party. Others were suggesting that he will end up with blood on his hands. Yeah right, his own blood maybe, once the Chicago machine comes after him.

357 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:04:17am

re: #343 Rustler

Can we leave him on the floor for 10 weeks without assistance? Oh wait Freedom from cruel and unusual punishment is only to protect the guilty not the victims well damn can't we just go back to an eye for an eye.

I'm trying to think of where I saw it, but some girl in Iran was blinded after her stalker threw acid in her face and then turned himself in to the police. Instead of settling for 'blood money' and jail time, the girl requested that he be blinded by acid in his eyes as well. Surprisngly the court upheld her decision.

/guess even a shar'ia court can be right every now and then

358 Karridine  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:04:25am

Dinner calls... bbiaw

359 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:05:48am

re: #357 Fenway_Nation

Broken clock and all that.

361 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:09:07am

re: #333 HoosierHoops

I've been very blessed.. I went to work as a Civilian For the DOD at Mare Island out of College..I spent 4 years training in the Nuclear field on Westinghouse 5w reactors and am honored to work for our Country.
I have so much respect for the Navy..Esp. on a test dive as a civilian..
'OH GOD WE ARE GOING TO DIE!' LOL

Never having been on a dive; is it true that the hull pops, creaks and groans when they do a "proof" dive? (oops, oh I'm sorry did I trigger some old memories?) :>

I agree; as a tin can sailor I consider sub sailors as certifiably "NUTS"!
God bless them though. Forget minuteman missiles, forget bombers, forget ground forces and surface navy, it was the threat of unknown numbers of unlocatable missile launch platforms that kept the Bear at bay!

362 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:10:27am

re: #353 J.D.

Can you believe it?

He let her lie there naked for 10 weeks--she developed large bedsores on her side--yet he didn't call 911. I don't care if she didn't want him to do it, it's what spouses do for each other. Besides, we only have his word that she didn't want him to call.

363 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:10:43am

re: #344 ploome hineni

:D

thanks, not drinking coffee yet

what are you drinking?

going to pick up a puppy today, very excited


Ahhhh, puppy kisses (and puppy breath).

364 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:11:44am

re: #359 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Broken clock and all that.

Blind squirrel and all that, but given what happened to the girl.....

Besides, the nuts that are found are usually the one presiding over the shar'ia court itself...

365 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:13:32am

re: #362 MandyManners

I know!
It boggles the mind...

366 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:14:08am

re: #344 ploome hineni

What kind of puppy?

367 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:15:47am

re: #352 MandyManners

Wow. How far we have sunk when one is called biased/a racist because one didn't vote for an African-American candidate.

I for one am pleased to see race hustlers use the term indiscriminately because eventually it will have less and less impact as it is used improperly. Sadly this will then allow REAL rascists to go unnamed.

P.S. note: where was Holder when Condi Rice was being caricatured in the papers as a large lipped parrot echoing GW or when Michael Steele had oreos thown at him? Holder is the racist and coward.

368 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:16:27am
Last December, we wrote that an "early test" for the Obama Administration would be whether it participated in a forthcoming U.N. conference on racism, better known as Durban II. Uh, oh.

The first "Durban" -- named for the South African city where the U.N. held its 2001 World Conference Against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance -- was chiefly notable as a virulent display of anti-Semitism. Yet last weekend, the Administration announced it would participate in "conference preparations," while reserving judgment on whether to attend the conference itself. If this isn't failing the big test, it's flunking the pop quiz.

So here's a make-up review. Back in 2001, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell refused to appear at Durban for fear that it would turn into a carnival of hatred and grievance. That's exactly what happened, prompting Mr. Powell to withdraw the U.S. delegation. As he put it at the time, "I know that you do not combat racism by suggesting that apartheid exists in Israel."

Undeterred, the U.N. has been merrily planning what it formally calls the "Durban Review Conference," which is scheduled for April and whose purpose is to "reaffirm the Durban Declaration." The preparatory committee is chaired by Libya. Vice chairs include Iran and Cuba, which does double duty as the committee "rapporteur." The conference is organized under the auspices of the U.N. Human Rights Council, which the Bush Administration refused to join.

As for what this Review Conference is supposed to achieve, some clues are provided in the latest draft of the so-called Outcome Document. Israel's "racial policies" are a major theme, as is "the plight of Palestinian refugees and other inhabitants of the Arab occupied territories," meaning Israel itself. Under debate, however, is whether to include a line that the Holocaust "resulted in the murder of one third of the Jewish people." Presumably Iran objects.

The draft also calls "on states to develop, and where appropriate to incorporate, permissible limitations on the exercise of the right to freedom of expression into national legislation." Yes, you read that right. The transparent purpose is to criminalize all criticism of Islam, a.k.a. "Islamophobia." There is also a not-so-sly effort to extract reparations for the long-banned trans-Atlantic slave trade: States that "have not yet condemned, apologized and paid reparations" for the trade are urged "to do so at the earliest."

The Obama Administration knows all of this. ...

Obama's Durban Dalliance
Does an anti-Semitic conference deserve U.S. participation of any kind?

369 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:16:59am

re: #344 ploome hineni

:D

thanks, not drinking coffee yet

what are you drinking?

going to pick up a puppy today, very excited

What kind?

370 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:17:29am

re: #369 MandyManners

What kind?

She must have gone to make coffee...

371 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:17:54am

re: #361 jcw46

Never having been on a dive; is it true that the hull pops, creaks and groans when they do a "proof" dive? (oops, oh I'm sorry did I trigger some old memories?) :>

I agree; as a tin can sailor I consider sub sailors as certifiably "NUTS"!
God bless them though. Forget minuteman missiles, forget bombers, forget ground forces and surface navy, it was the threat of unknown numbers of unlocatable missile launch platforms that kept the Bear at bay!

My first dive they gave me a flash light and told me to crawl behind the equipment in the fan room..I spent hours in spaces no person should be in.
There is an art to it..they trained us pukes.. You crawl in tight tight spaces you cannot panic cause you're body swells..You relax and you can work yourself through anything..It may take 20 minutes..but you'll make it..

372 Karridine  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:19:43am

re: #371 HoosierHoops

Oook... I don't WANT to wriggle out of something tight...

/oh. You meant...

373 Lincolntf  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:21:04am

re: #368 J.D.

Semi-related: Anyone see the wire story (I'll go get a link) about Hillary finally delivering the payoff for all those millions of Chinese dollars she and hubby pulled in over the years?
To sum up my interpretation of the article: "Human Rights" are now a point on which we should agree to disagree, so that we can address really important stuff like global warming.
I hope the Koskids flip out on her.

374 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:21:25am

re: #365 J.D.

I don't know why the daughter didn't have a welfare check done. Sure, she lives across the country but, after a couple of weeks of being told that her mother is sick and cannot talk, I'd be calling the cops to have them go check it out.

It all defies logic. What sane woman lies on a floor, naked and in pain, for 10 weeks and not want medical help? If she was suffering from dementia or the like, the husband was doubly obligated to call 911.

What's next? Put the old who fall on ice bergs and set them afire?

375 Karridine  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:21:35am

And with that, I'll take my leave of this glacial estate...

its been fun! :D

376 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:22:43am

re: #367 jcw46

I for one am pleased to see race hustlers use the term indiscriminately because eventually it will have less and less impact as it is used improperly. Sadly this will then allow REAL rascists to go unnamed.

P.S. note: where was Holder when Condi Rice was being caricatured in the papers as a large lipped parrot echoing GW or when Michael Steele had oreos thown at him? Holder is the racist and coward.

They're not real blacks because they are Republicans. I reckon something about joining the GOP bleaches one's skin in the eyes of Democrats.

377 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:23:12am

re: #327 pittrader1988

I want to take a moment to defend Rick Santelli. Look for the left wing to initiate a smear campaign. Already I see he is being called a racist because he went on CNBC and said that he didn't like the Obama plan.

Hardball's Chris Mathews tried to destroy his credibility buy saying he was biased because he voted for McCain.

Neither of these things are true. Rick is not a racist. He is not biased, even though he did vote for McCain.

Rick is a passionate defender of free market capitalism. He understand markets extremely well. He understands the benefits that free markets can bring to a society.

Rick is not a right wing fanatic. He hated the Bush administrations management of the countries financial system too.

He'll be getting at least the "Joe The Plumber" and "Sarah the Palin" treatment.

378 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:23:35am

re: #357 Fenway_Nation

I'm trying to think of where I saw it, but some girl in Iran was blinded after her stalker threw acid in her face and then turned himself in to the police. Instead of settling for 'blood money' and jail time, the girl requested that he be blinded by acid in his eyes as well. Surprisngly the court upheld her decision.

/guess even a shar'ia court can be right every now and then

No, that's not right. It is barbarism.

379 Lincolntf  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:25:09am

re: #373 Lincolntf

Hillary hates Tibetan people

Here's an article on it, but it's not the one I read in my paper. Oh, I just realized this story is from yesterday, so sorry if it's already been hashed over.

380 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:25:55am

re: #373 Lincolntf

Yes, I saw that.

She's already a failure...one month in.

381 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:25:58am

re: #371 HoosierHoops

My first dive they gave me a flash light and told me to crawl behind the equipment in the fan room..I spent hours in spaces no person should be in.
There is an art to it..they trained us pukes.. You crawl in tight tight spaces you cannot panic cause you're body swells..You relax and you can work yourself through anything..It may take 20 minutes..but you'll make it..


I once worked a job cleaning the left over residue out of a hydro-cracker (that's the tall, thick tube you see at any refinery where the different fractionations are tapped as the gases boil out of the crude oil) anyway, this thing had an opening just barely the size (about 18"x15") of a skinny person (which I was at the time) you had to put a legs or arms out first then work the rest of your body out. oooffff. Not for me, I said no more after one day. Never knew I was claustrophobic until then.

382 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:26:54am

re: #378 MandyManners

Can't argue that- altho' the guy could've avoided the whole situation if he didn't make with the splashey-the-acid-in-the-face-of-the-girl-who-spurned-me. I'm more surprised that a shar'ia court ruled in favor of a female crime victim....

383 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:27:47am

re: #374 MandyManners

It all defies logic.

That's the conclusion I've come to.

384 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:28:09am

See that cute pink elephant dressed in a snappy uniform, standing one-legged on the stool, in the middle of the room? Executive Order: Establishment of the White House Office of Urban Affairs

Longing for warm spring days, cool nights? Come visit Arcadia and watch the play: Guardsmen to conduct urban training at Arcadia in April

Or might you be thinking of hot summer days spent lounging on the beach? Britons flee French island of Guadeloupe as rioters turn on white families

ugh.

385 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:28:43am

re: #374 MandyManners

I feel for the daughter. I love my parents dearly, but have gone for weeks without speaking with them and months without seeing them (I am one of 6).

Guess it'd be different if I was an only child.

386 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:29:08am

re: #376 MandyManners

They're not real blacks because they are Republicans. I reckon something about joining the GOP bleaches one's skin in the eyes of Democrats.


I first changed my mind about Democrats when I first realized how bigoted they really were.

(Democrats!™ "Looking down their nose at people for 200 years".)©

387 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:30:22am

re: #382 Fenway_Nation

Can't argue that- altho' the guy could've avoided the whole situation if he didn't make with the splashey-the-acid-in-the-face-of-the-girl-who-spur ned-me. I'm more surprised that a shar'ia court ruled in favor of a female crime victim....

The court went along with it because it's staffed by barbarians.

388 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:31:13am

re: #383 J.D.

That's the conclusion I've come to.

Judge Judy says that something that doesn't make sense is not true.

389 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:31:57am

re: #385 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I feel for the daughter. I love my parents dearly, but have gone for weeks without speaking with them and months without seeing them (I am one of 6).

Guess it'd be different if I was an only child.

Just put yourself in her shoes.

390 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:32:27am

re: #388 MandyManners

Judge Judy says that something that doesn't make sense is not true.

I like judge Judy because I find her thought processes so interesting. She explains how she can tell that a person is lying.

391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:32:39am

re: #389 MandyManners

She wear flats or heels?

392 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:33:13am

re: #371 HoosierHoops

You still at Mare Island? Is it still an active shipyard? I went to a "C" school there. Always got a kick at looking at all the old ships mothballed on the north end. I was there during the winter so my time there wasn't too pleasant (too chilly and damp for me).

393 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:35:24am

re: #386 jcw46

I first changed my mind about Democrats when I first realized how bigoted they really were.

(Democrats!™ "Looking down their nose at people for 200 years".)©

I don't recall ever holding any regard for the Democrats. I went from being a Communist to being a Republican. I considered the Democrats to being watered-down Commies.

394 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:36:18am

re: #390 DistantThunder

I like judge Judy because I find her thought processes so interesting. She explains how she can tell that a person is lying.

I don't like her abruptness.

395 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:36:30am

re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She wear flats or heels?

Cork wedges.

396 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:36:37am

re: #392 jcw46

You still at Mare Island? Is it still an active shipyard? I went to a "C" school there. Always got a kick at looking at all the old ships mothballed on the north end. I was there during the winter so my time there wasn't too pleasant (too chilly and damp for me).

No my friend..MINSY was closed during the Clinton years...I got recruited by a Global Japanese Company..and still work for them...
I've been blessed

397 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:38:25am

re: #393 MandyManners

I don't recall ever holding any regard for the Democrats. I went from being a Communist to being a Republican. I considered the Democrats to being watered-down Commies.

I'm glad you grew up Mandy.

(Many didn't).

So, when you were young, Democrats weren't commie enough, now they are too commie.

Was there a moment one day when you crossed there path (however briefly) when they were about right?

j/k

398 monkeytime  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:38:26am

re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She wear flats or heels?

That reminds me of a Joan Rivers Interview. When someone remarked on a pair of white flats a star was wearing Joan replied:

Everyone should have a pair of white flats. Mine are in my bra.
lol!

399 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:40:19am

re: #387 MandyManners

The court went along with it because it's staffed by barbarians.


I agree: barbarism in the name of barbarism.
It's human to want "vengeance". Me I prefer cold, calculated PUNISHMENT. If an atrocity is committed in the name of "justice" it is still an atrocity. Civilization must be better than the savages that commit savage acts and punish them while keeping them from doing so again. (Better to put someone in a cell for 40 years than give them an easy out like the death penalty. I do believe in the death penalty in any case where the crime was premeditated and well witnessed with accompanying forensic evidence. Lots of science and testimony and NO appeals)

400 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:40:31am

re: #384 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Yikes! How often do Reservists or National Guard conduct MOUT training in real-live municipalities? Something about this isn't sitting right with me on a couple of different levels (the events in Washington D.C. over the past 30 days do nothing to reassure me, either).

We used a couple of multi-storey barns or wooden shacks clustered together in Ft. Benning. That particular MOUT excercise was facetiously referred to 'Assault on Mayberry'.

401 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:41:14am

Funny church story: A new family moved into our area, and my church friend and I were assigned through the women's organization to pay a visit to the wife.

So we show up at this enormous house, and sit and talk with her and her husband. The woman is mid-thirties, Swedish, and very warm and funny.

The husband, a lawyer, is serving us herbal tea and cake, when I ask her about her educational back ground. She explains that she received her Ph'd in New York.

"Really?" I ask, "What is your degree in?"
And she responds nonchalantly,
"Nuclear Physics"

It must happen often that people have a look on their faces like I had at that moment.

402 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:42:12am

re: #394 MandyManners

I don't like her abruptness.

She is overly harsh. I have to change the channel.

403 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:43:31am

re: #400 Fenway_Nation

Yikes! How often do Reservists or National Guard conduct MOUT training in real-live municipalities? Something about this isn't sitting right with me on a couple of different levels (the events in Washington D.C. over the past 30 days do nothing to reassure me, either).

We used a couple of multi-storey barns or wooden shacks clustered together in Ft. Benning. That particular MOUT excercise was facetiously referred to 'Assault on Mayberry'.

Did it mention in the article how they will go door to door and ask people to allow them to search their homes, opening "cupboards" and doors?

Are they looking for the mythical armsdealer in a private "cupboard" or are they looking for something else.

404 Cathypop  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:43:45am

re: #400 Fenway_Nation

I agree. Something is wrong with this. Has the National Guard ever done this?

405 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:45:19am

re: #404 Cathypop

I agree. Something is wrong with this. Has the National Guard ever done this?

Texas is running similar exercises I heard. I'll bet these guys will be deployed on the border.

406 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:45:27am

re: #401 DistantThunder

Funny church story: A new family moved into our area, and my church friend and I were assigned through the women's organization to pay a visit to the wife.

So we show up at this enormous house, and sit and talk with her and her husband. The woman is mid-thirties, Swedish, and very warm and funny.

The husband, a lawyer, is serving us herbal tea and cake, when I ask her about her educational back ground. She explains that she received her Ph'd in New York.

"Really?" I ask, "What is your degree in?"
And she responds nonchalantly,
"Nuclear Physics"

It must happen often that people have a look on their faces like I had at that moment.

Wow! just wow! Sounds like you have just met some cool new friends..

407 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:46:08am

re: #402 DistantThunder

She is overly harsh. I have to change the channel.


It's entertainment. If she was ever a real judge, I'm sure she was less acerbic and dictatorial (although no guarantees. Judges can pretty much act like they wish).
You do know she's only acting as an arbitrator? She doesn't have any actual power other than what is agreed to by the participants. (tho i'm sure she can get things done if she ever was a judge).

408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:47:33am

Gotta run. Y'all be kind to each other, okay?

409 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:48:07am

re: #408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gotta run. Y'all be kind to each other, okay?

K..
have a nice day veggie

410 monkeytime  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:48:16am

Please note that in this ABC article titled "2 Rockets Fired From Lebanon at Israel" - a picture is featured large on the left - a bloody seen with this caption "Israeli rockets strike United Nations school used as a shelter in Gaza.". I guess ABC can not report any violence targeted at Israel without some counter prop.


2 Rockets Fired From Lebanon at Israel

411 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:48:27am

re: #397 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I'm glad you grew up Mandy.

(Many didn't).

So, when you were young, Democrats weren't commie enough, now they are too commie.

Was there a moment one day when you crossed there path (however briefly) when they were about right?

j/k

Nope. By the time I got done studying Dialectical Materialism and taking a look at the real world, I knew that the path to take was that of the GOP. (It was roughly around the time of the Iran-Contra scandal, and that taught me a lot. The Samozans were horrible at times but, they paled in comparison to the Sandinistas who were establishing another toe-hold in our hemisphere for the Soviet Empire. I found the charges of colonialism lodged against the U.S. to be amusing in light of the Soviets' actual colonialism. I found the Democrats' adherence to that to be less amusing than appalling. I figured out whose side they were on, and it wasn't America's side.)

412 quickjustice  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:49:17am

Severe economic crises often lead to civic unrest. It's logical that the national guard would prepare for this.

413 Cathypop  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:49:48am

re: #405 DistantThunder

Texas is running similar exercises I heard. I'll bet these guys will be deployed on the border.


Have not heard of the National Guard doing this in Texas. It would make sense sending them to the border.

414 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:49:58am

re: #399 jcw46

I agree: barbarism in the name of barbarism.
It's human to want "vengeance". Me I prefer cold, calculated PUNISHMENT. If an atrocity is committed in the name of "justice" it is still an atrocity. Civilization must be better than the savages that commit savage acts and punish them while keeping them from doing so again*. (Better to put someone in a cell for 40 years than give them an easy out like the death penalty. I do believe in the death penalty in any case where the crime was premeditated and well witnessed with accompanying forensic evidence. Lots of science and testimony and NO appeals)

*I think that this is the difference between LGF and AS, Jihadwatch and VB.

415 DistantThunder  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:50:03am

re: #407 jcw46

It's entertainment. If she was ever a real judge, I'm sure she was less acerbic and dictatorial (although no guarantees. Judges can pretty much act like they wish).
You do know she's only acting as an arbitrator? She doesn't have any actual power other than what is agreed to by the participants. (tho i'm sure she can get things done if she ever was a judge).

I was in court with a friend. Her children's counselor had asked her to hand carry information to the judge alleging abuse by the father. He had punched his son in the head with a closed fist - and the daughter had witnessed it.

The judge refused to look at the letters written by the children in the counselors office detailing how they had witnesses the now ex-husband, their father strangling their mother. The judge leaned over the bench and screamed at her that he would put her in jail if she didn't allow the father to take the children for a visit. I've never seen anything so unprofessional in my entire life. He yelled and yelled and yelled.

416 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:51:04am

re: #402 DistantThunder

She is overly harsh. I have to change the channel.

Why women who loan money to no-good men go into her court is beyond me.

417 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:51:44am

re: #404 Cathypop

The most innocous explanation I can think of is instead of sending all the reservists or Nat'l Guardsmen to Ft. Polk (Louisiana) or Ft. Irwin (california), they 'audition' local towns so that they can do their training a little closer to home.

418 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:51:46am

re: #403 DistantThunder

Did it mention in the article how they will go door to door and ask people to allow them to search their homes, opening "cupboards" and doors?

Are they looking for the mythical armsdealer in a private "cupboard" or are they looking for something else.

Brrrr. This gives me chills.
I understand the need for "true conditions" exercises but this is suspect.
Here's a quote:
"We really want to get as much information out there as possible, because this operation could be pretty intrusive to the people of Arcadia."

Intrusive? No? What makes you think this would be intrusive?

Nothing about whether you have the option to refuse and what will be done then.

419 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:51:49am

re: #354 Karridine
Ahh forgot sarc tag.

420 Cathypop  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:51:58am

re: #416 MandyManners

15 minutes of fame

421 Joan  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:52:44am

re: #123 Dustyvet

And why couldn't the loutish baseball umpire have his little boy sit in his lap? Because the son never sits on the brutish umpire.

thank you, Mr. Peabody

422 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:54:41am

Morning everyone!

*holding out tanker of coffee* Ford? You here?

423 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:55:03am

re: #411 MandyManners

Nope. By the time I got done studying Dialectical Materialism and taking a look at the real world, I knew that the path to take was that of the GOP. (It was roughly around the time of the Iran-Contra scandal, and that taught me a lot. The Samozans were horrible at times but, they paled in comparison to the Sandinistas who were establishing another toe-hold in our hemisphere for the Soviet Empire. I found the charges of colonialism lodged against the U.S. to be amusing in light of the Soviets' actual colonialism. I found the Democrats' adherence to that to be less amusing than appalling. I figured out whose side they were on, and it wasn't America's side.)

Cool... a friend of mine's sister was a die-hard commie at that same time, the Sandinistas were the most wonderful people in the world. We were the running dogs of Satan for fighting them.

I wish I knew the term "useful idiot" back then...

424 quickjustice  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:55:45am

re: #285 Afrocity

I lost 12 friends and neighbors in the Twin Towers. All but one worked for Cantor Fitzgerald. The 12th one was Joe Leavey, an FDNY Lieutenant who died leading his men up the stairs to the Sky Lobby, where there were wounded he wanted to rescue.

I still tear up when I get off the subway downtown, and see that big hole in the skyline.

425 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:56:07am

re: #407 jcw46

It's entertainment. If she was ever a real judge, I'm sure she was less acerbic and dictatorial (although no guarantees. Judges can pretty much act like they wish).
You do know she's only acting as an arbitrator? She doesn't have any actual power other than what is agreed to by the participants. (tho i'm sure she can get things done if she ever was a judge).

Oh, yes, she was a real judge. Sheindlin has extensive experience in the NY family court system.

426 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:56:23am

re: #408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gotta run. Y'all be kind to each other, okay?

No.

427 Cathypop  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:56:49am

re: #417 Fenway_Nation

Has the National Guard ever done this type of training in a local town?

428 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:57:04am

re: #422 chicago blonde

Morning everyone!

*holding out tanker of coffee* Ford? You here?

Good Morning..Love the Avatar..
Ford will be here shortly.He got caught up in rush hour Internet traffic..

429 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:57:52am

re: #415 DistantThunder

I was in court with a friend. Her children's counselor had asked her to hand carry information to the judge alleging abuse by the father. He had punched his son in the head with a closed fist - and the daughter had witnessed it.

The judge refused to look at the letters written by the children in the counselors office detailing how they had witnesses the now ex-husband, their father strangling their mother. The judge leaned over the bench and screamed at her that he would put her in jail if she didn't allow the father to take the children for a visit. I've never seen anything so unprofessional in my entire life. He yelled and yelled and yelled.

I doubt this was the first or last time he'd behaved like this. I wish people would report such judges to the state supreme court's office that oversees judges.

430 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:58:18am

re: #428 HoosierHoops

Morning Hoosier!

You guys in for some snow? I just had an appointment cancel because the roads were going to be too scary...

431 monkeytime  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:58:37am

A good article by Uzi Rubin. "Mr. Rubin, head of Israel's Missile Defense Organization from 1991 to 1999, won the Israel Defense Prize in 1996 and 2003."

Yes, We Should Worry About Iran's Satellite

432 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:58:42am

re: #428 HoosierHoops

Morning! Thank you! I love flowers, especially when we have so much global warming here on the ground....

433 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:59:16am

re: #420 Cathypop

15 minutes of fame

Surely they know how Judge Judy will behave if they've watched just two shows.

434 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:59:46am

re: #411 MandyManners

I found the charges of colonialism lodged against the U.S. to be amusing in light of the Soviets' actual colonialism.

Funny how Cuba's hostility towards the USA is explained away by the left, MSM and Che-worshippers as anti-imperialism, yet not a word is said about the Cuban military adventures in Ethiopia, Grenada or Angola.

435 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 5:59:55am

re: #422 chicago blonde

Morning everyone!

*holding out tanker of coffee* Ford? You here?

Speaking of coffee, I need to put less blood in my caffeine stream.

436 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:00:08am

re: #420 Cathypop

15 minutes of fame


Must be. That's what I think too. What else could inspire them to endure the ridicule and disrespect? What? They think they've got an answer to the charges other than "she's/he's lyin' your honor"?

I get a kick out of the defendants the most. Totally clueless. Sometimes the plaintiffs get their ass handed to them but mostly it's the defendants.

OH, I just remembered why they do it. At the end of these shows they tell you that the participants get "paid" a fee for their appearance and any judgement is taken out of that fee. I guess they go cause it's better than the Lottery.

437 Cathypop  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:00:44am

re: #433 MandyManners

Surely they know how Judge Judy will behave if they've watched just two shows.

Ever met an idiot? They never learn

438 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:00:50am

re: #424 quickjustice

I am so sorry.

I get angry when I hear people trying to rationalize what we did. I try to avoid any movie with that gremlin-faced Maggie Gyllenhaal since she said we were "somewhat responsible."

/dislike her too much to bother looking up her name

439 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:02:03am

Good moring. We have a lot of overnight global warming on the ground & more to come in the Chicago Area.
Let me look around. Alright! The really smart Lizards are here.

440 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:02:06am

re: #423 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Cool... a friend of mine's sister was a die-hard commie at that same time, the Sandinistas were the most wonderful people in the world. We were the running dogs of Satan for fighting them.

I wish I knew the term "useful idiot" back then...

He was willfully ignorant.

441 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:02:06am

re: #430 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning Hoosier!

You guys in for some snow? I just had an appointment cancel because the roads were going to be too scary...

LT!
hope today finds you well..
There is supposed to be 3" on the way in..
Watching sports highlights..Is Labrick a stud or what? He dropped 55 last night..We are watching a future HOF'er

442 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:02:23am

re: #421 Joan

thank you, Mr. Peabody

(Channeling Dustyvet) Why thank you, Sherman.

443 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:02:39am

re: #435 MandyManners

LOL! Caffeine, sugary donuts, fried eggs & bacon...that's a power meal!

444 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:03:54am

re: #427 Cathypop

Has the National Guard ever done this type of training in a local town?

Ddin't the Oregon N.G. want to do that but was rebuffed by the mayor? (Or, maybe it was the active duty?)

445 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:04:37am

re: #427 Cathypop

Not that I know of- the aforementioned facilities (Ft. Polk & Ft. Irwin) have dedicated OPFOR units (soldiers who's full-time job is to be the designated baddies the incoming units will be squaring off against). But I'm not sure what kind of a setting either one has for training in urban combat- Ft. Irwin was mostly designed to familiarize Army units with the rigors of desert warfare....I don't remember any mock-ups of little towns there.

446 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:05:05am

re: #434 Fenway_Nation

Funny how Cuba's hostility towards the USA is explained away by the left, MSM and Che-worshippers as anti-imperialism, yet not a word is said about the Cuban military adventures in Ethiopia, Grenada or Angola.

Reality tends to escape some.

447 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:05:33am

re: #441 HoosierHoops

LT!
hope today finds you well..
There is supposed to be 3" on the way in..
Watching sports highlights..Is Labrick a stud or what? He dropped 55 last night..We are watching a future HOF'er

What's a La Brick? Some kind of Frog housing material?

/doing well here, wish the guy I was waiting on chose to make the trip... now I have to do something else today.

448 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:05:47am

re: #437 Cathypop

Ever met an idiot? They never learn

Or, they think that they're somehow "spayshul".

449 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:06:01am

what a hoot!...people are getting pissy...
Tax Revolt is starting to mean something again...
check out the Pork Protesters...


[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

450 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:07:00am

re: #429 MandyManners

I doubt this was the first or last time he'd behaved like this. I wish people would report such judges to the state supreme court's office that oversees judges.


1. They're afraid of retribution
2. They don't expect anything to be done.

Really the only people that have a chance of successfully ratting out a judge is the clerk, the bailiff, other judges and the lawyers/prosecutors. Every one else gets ignored. (unless the actions are egregious or criminal).

451 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:07:06am

re: #445 Fenway_Nation

They built a good one at Ft Benning in the late 80's... cinder-block buildings, couple of stories tall, designed to look like a German village.

452 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:07:58am

re: #447 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

What's a La Brick? Some kind of Frog housing material?

/doing well here, wish the guy I was waiting on chose to make the trip... now I have to do something else today.


King James!

453 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:08:34am

re: #438 chicago blonde

I am so sorry.

I get angry when I hear people trying to rationalize what we did. I try to avoid any movie with that gremlin-faced Maggie Gyllenhaal since she said we were "somewhat responsible."

/dislike her too much to bother looking up her name

I've never heard of her. Wiki:

Gyllenhaal drew criticism for comments on the September 11 attacks made during an interview with NY1 at the 2005 Tribeca Film Festival. She remarked, "I think America has done reprehensible things and is responsible in some way..."[2] In response to the criticism, she issued a statement saying that 9/11 was "an occasion to be brave enough to ask some serious questions about America's role in the world" and that it was "useful as individuals or nations to ask how we may have knowingly or unknowingly contributed to this conflict."[2][108] She pointedly denied saying that the 9/11 attacks were deserved.[2][108] Gyllenhaal later said that she regretted her comments and asserted that film interviews were not the "right place" to discuss politics.[109] Gyllenhaal also said that she had "nothing but gratitude and admiration" for firefighters and that she should have "been more gentle and more thoughtful" in her comments.[110]

Stupid asshole.

454 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:08:42am

re: #438 chicago blonde

I hate her and her brother Jake (who I think was in one of the many flops box office successes designed to undercut the war on terror documenting American imperialism and injustice under the Bush Admin.).

455 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:09:08am

re: #443 chicago blonde

LOL! Caffeine, sugary donuts, fried eggs & bacon...that's a power meal!

I might grab a PopTart.

456 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:09:16am

Good morning y'all - from a COLD (26 degrees when I awoke, now 28 going up to 54 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?

457 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:09:17am

re: #438 chicago blonde

I'm so sorry, I wasn't as awake as I thought I was when I tried typing that.

What I meant was, I get furious when I hear moonbats try to rationalize what we did to deserve 9/11, and I have a pet dislike of Gremlin-Face because she said we were "somewhat responsible" for it and did some "terrible things".

/going to get a bit more coffee, clearly need it...

458 notutopia  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:10:23am

Morning

459 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:10:24am

re: #456 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a COLD (26 degrees when I awoke, now 28 going up to 54 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?

Good morning Realwest!
How goes it today?

460 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:10:48am

re: #446 MandyManners

The Cubans pretty much had their asses handed to them by the South Africans in Angola.

461 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:11:12am

re: #458 notutopia
Good morning notutopia! How are you today?

462 n in wi  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:11:19am

re: #453 MandyManners
Her attitude on this is similar to our current President's.
Like you said,stupid asshole.

463 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:11:22am

re: #453 MandyManners

re: #454 Fenway_Nation

*hug*

Thanks for listening to what I meant & not what I typed! :)

Yeah, after that Gremlin-face goes to star in World Trade Center too.
/Puke

464 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:11:31am

re: #450 jcw46

1. They're afraid of retribution
2. They don't expect anything to be done.

Really the only people that have a chance of successfully ratting out a judge is the clerk, the bailiff, other judges and the lawyers/prosecutors. Every one else gets ignored. (unless the actions are egregious or criminal).

That's not true. The state's supreme court office that oversees the lower courts is obligated to take each report that comes its way, and is obligated to investigate.

465 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:11:54am

re: #459 HoosierHoops
Hey there Hoops! It goes, it goes. How are you doing today my friend?

466 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:12:21am

re: #456 realwest

Morning! Could you please send a degree or two of that here? We have some global warming to melt away...

467 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:12:51am

re: #460 Fenway_Nation

The Cubans pretty much had their asses handed to them by the South Africans in Angola.

I miss the good old days of proxy wars and MAD.

468 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:13:07am

re: #458 notutopia

Morning

Whazzup?

469 notutopia  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:13:28am

re: #461 realwest

Good morning notutopia! How are you today?

Freezing realwest! It's 22 and feels much colder d/t to the dampness. I looked like the ovaltine kid in my down coat going out to bust up the ice in the animals water tanks this morn. How're you?

470 gregg  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:13:36am

re: #439 opnion

Since you're from Chicago, you might be interested in the Snuggie™ Pub Crawl in Chicago.

471 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:14:05am

re: #400 Fenway_Nation

Fenway, they started these exercises after the first IC report stated with a high degree of confidence we'd be nuked sometime within 10 years - 2, maybe 3, years ago. I'm pretty sure they've conducted exercises in Indiana, SC and Georgia. I also remember something to the effect that Blanco used the NG to search & disarm NOLA residents - post Katrina.

However, given today's environment this is getting to be some pretty scary stuff.

472 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:14:17am

re: #456 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a COLD (26 degrees when I awoke, now 28 going up to 54 degrees) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?

Good morning Real!

Cold (and staying that way) plus snow here.

Otherwise doing very well. Yourself?

473 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:14:21am

VDH from yesterday...brilliant as usual

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

474 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:14:30am

re: #462 n in wi

Her attitude on this is similar to our current President's.
Like you said,stupid asshole.

Let's not get me going this bright and beautiful morning.

475 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:15:05am

re: #466 chicago blonde
Good morning to you. Uh, send a degree or two of what?! We're still FREEZING down here in "DIXIE" ARGGGH!
Oh you mean later today when we supposedly will get into the low 50's? Of course! I waive my arms around in the general direction of Chicago! LOL!
Wish I could warm things up for you in Chicagoland, but alas it's above my pay grade to do that.

476 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:15:30am

The "Lynching" Of Senator Roland Burris continues, with more politicians calling for him to resign. Hey, if we was not African American they wouldn't, uh , er, well they probably wouldn't have seated him.

477 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:15:39am

re: #453 MandyManners

Gyllenhaal later said that she regretted her comments and asserted that film interviews were not the "right place" to discuss politics.[109] Gyllenhaal also said that she had "nothing but gratitude and admiration" for firefighters and that she should have "been more gentle and more thoughtful" in her comments.

Translation: I'm not sorry I offended people- I'm sorry this might hurt my career and cost me money

FUCK
HER
AND
THE
GREMLIN
SHE
RODE
IN
ON

478 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:16:07am

re: #463 chicago blonde

re: #454 Fenway_Nation

*hug*

Thanks for listening to what I meant & not what I typed! :)

Yeah, after that Gremlin-face goes to star in World Trade Center too.
/Puke

I don't understand why Will and Allison Jimeno gave her a pass.

479 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:16:16am

re: #475 realwest

LOL! Enjoy the 50s as much as you can - we have more global warming falling as we speak.

480 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:16:54am

re: #477 Fenway_Nation

*burning coffee out nose...but so worth it*

481 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:16:55am

re: #469 notutopia
Well I'm better than that - I ain't going out until it gets over 32 degrees or 10:45 AM whichever comes first - chores and all, doncha know?!

482 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:16:56am

re: #465 realwest

Hey there Hoops! It goes, it goes. How are you doing today my friend?

I'm doing great my friend...Been up since 5am..we went out dancing last night..drinking coffee..but still kind of drunk..LOL

483 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:18:09am

re: #470 gregg

Since you're from Chicago, you might be interested in the Snuggie™ Pub Crawl in Chicago.

That's funny. The bartenders should be required to use ShamWow's to wipe the bars.

484 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:18:13am

re: #478 MandyManners

I don't either; all I know is I bought the United 93 DVD and left WTC behind at the store.

485 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:19:19am

re: #477 Fenway_Nation

Translation: I'm not sorry I offended people- I'm sorry this might hurt my career and cost me money

FUCK
HER
AND
THE
GREMLIN
SHE
RODE
IN
ON

Part of me wonders why actors talk about politics. Then, I realize that they do because they have the same rights as the rest of us. The difference is that they have microphones and cameras trained on them.

486 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:19:22am

re: #467 MandyManners

Apartheid South Africa vs Communist Cuba. Not that I liked Apartheid, but I'm glad the South Africans made it a costly venture for the Cubans.

I think the Ethiopians were briefly our proxy in Somalia last year.

487 Cathypop  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:19:42am

re: #473 albusteve

VDH from yesterday...brilliant as usual

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]


Excelent article.

488 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:20:10am

re: #484 chicago blonde

I don't either; all I know is I bought the United 93 DVD and left WTC behind at the store.

I have the former. I didn't even know that the latter existed.

489 notutopia  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:20:35am

re: #468 MandyManners

Whazzup?

I owe you an apology from my comment yesterday that I made. Please forgive my laughter upon reading the LGF cookbook quote, of your story when you were gushed in gasoline.
I was NOT laughing at what happened to you.
I was laughing at the thought of everyone in the station
wondering why in heavens name, is this woman stripping
here in a gas station! I can only imagine the shock value
if I had witnessed only the stripping part .
BTW, I hope you sent them your cleaners bill!

490 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:21:20am
...From Islamabad, let us zip a world away to London. Among the growing population of Yorkshire Pakistanis is a fellow called Lord Ahmed, a Muslim member of Parliament. He threatened "to bring a force of 10,000 Muslims to lay siege to the House of Lords" if it went ahead with an event at which the Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders would have introduced a screening of his controversial film "Fitna."

Britain's Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith, reacted to this by declaring Wilders persona non grata and having him arrested and returned to the Netherlands.

Smith is best known for an inspired change of terminology: last year she announced that henceforth Muslim terrorism (an unhelpful phrase) would be reclassified as "anti-Islamic activity." Seriously. The logic being that Muslims blowing stuff up tends not to do much for Islam's reputation – i.e., it's an "anti-Islamic activity" in the same sense that Pearl Harbor was an anti-Japanese activity.

Anyway, Geert Wilders' short film is a compilation video of footage from recent Muslim terrorist atrocities – whoops, sorry, "anti-Islamic activities" – accompanied by the relevant chapter and verse from the Koran. Jacqui Smith banned the filmmaker on "public order" grounds – in other words, the government's fear that Lord Ahmed meant what he said about a 10,000-strong mob besieging the Palace of Westminster. You might conceivably get the impression from Wilders' movie that many Muslims are irrational and violent types it's best to steer well clear of. But, if you didn't, Jacqui Smith pretty much confirmed it: We can't have chaps saying Muslims are violent, because they'll go smash the place up.

So confronted by blackmail, the British government caved. So did the Pakistani government in Swat. But, in fairness to Islamabad, they waited until the shooting was well underway before throwing in the towel. Twenty years ago this month, Margaret Thatcher's Conservative ministry defended the right of a left-wing author Salman Rushdie to publish a book in the face of Muslim riots and the Ayatollah Khomeini's attempted mob hit. Two decades on, a supposedly progressive government surrenders to the mob before it's even taken to the streets.

In his first TV interview as president, Barack Obama told viewers of al-Arabiya TV that he wanted to restore the "same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago." I'm not sure quite what golden age he's looking back to there – the Beirut barracks slaughter? The embassy hostages? – but the point is, it's very hard to turn back the clock. Because the facts on the ground change and change remorselessly.

Between 1970 and 2000, the developed world declined from just under 30 percent of the global population to just over 20 percent, while the Muslim world increased from 15 percent to 20 percent. And in 2030, it won't even be possible to re-take that survey, because by that point half the "developed world" will itself be Muslim: in Bradford as in London, Amsterdam, Brussels and almost every other western European city from Malmo to Marseilles the principal population growth comes from Islam.

Along with the demographic growth has come radicalization: It's not just that there are more Muslims, but that, within that growing population, moderate Islam is on the decline – in Singapore, in the Balkans, in northern England – and radicalized, Arabized, Wahhabized Islam is on the rise. So we have degrees of accommodation: surrender in Islamabad, appeasement in London, acceptance in Toronto and Buffalo.


Islamic radicalization is on the rise
Mark Steyn

491 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:21:37am

re: #486 Fenway_Nation

Apartheid South Africa vs Communist Cuba. Not that I liked Apartheid, but I'm glad the South Africans made it a costly venture for the Cubans.

I think the Ethiopians were briefly our proxy in Somalia last year.

Many times during the Cold War, it was a case of "He may be a bastard but, he's our bastard".

492 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:21:42am

re: #464 MandyManners
Ignored as in; the paper work is done and the boxes are all checked but an actual investigation it wasn't. It actually makes sense as the people most likely to experience a judge's courtroom demeanor are usually those involved in a hearing of some sort or other and likely to have a vested interest in one outcome or another. Thus their complaint and their statements are usually suspect by anyone with experience. Sure it's not what's supposed to happen but it does -- a lot, particularly in the larger jurisdictions.

493 Cathypop  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:21:45am

re: #489 notutopia

My cookbook should be here soon and I can't wait to read that story.

494 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:22:58am

Disturbing news, while we are planning a 17,000 ttroop surge in Afghanistan, the Pakistan government is complicating things.
The government has ceded control of border tribal areas to the Taliban.
Sharia Law is instituted & assasinations, beheadings & denial of education for gilrls are in full swing.

495 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:23:03am

re: #489 notutopia

I owe you an apology from my comment yesterday that I made. Please forgive my laughter upon reading the LGF cookbook quote, of your story when you were gushed in gasoline.
I was NOT laughing at what happened to you.
I was laughing at the thought of everyone in the station
wondering why in heavens name, is this woman stripping
here in a gas station! I can only imagine the shock value
if I had witnessed only the stripping part .
BTW, I hope you sent them your cleaners bill!

Oh, it was funny so laughter is okay. It took me a while to get over my feelings but, I patronize that store.

496 notutopia  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:23:53am

re: #493 Cathypop

My cookbook should be here soon and I can't wait to read that story.

Cathypop, The LGF Cookbook is AWESOME!
From cover to cover it is worth every cent!

497 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:24:17am

re: #403 DistantThunder
Good morning Distant Thunder! I'm a nuclear physcist too, though I can't spell it right! LOL! According to the article, only residents who have previously agreed to participate in this drill will have their doors knocked on - I imagine they'll have some sorta sticker or door knob type thing for folks who are willing to participate.
I think for REAL training, we all ought sneak up there, hide a apartments across the hall and when they knock on the door, jump out with water guns and yell "Booga Oga"!
Or, maybe not.
But let's face it, these folks from the NG aren't going to be carrying real ammo, just blanks - if that and we'd be assisting in training them how to avoid ambushes!
Or, maybe not.
:)

498 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:24:59am

re: #485 MandyManners

I'm guessing the politics of the entertainers and the politics of whoever's interviewing them intermesh pretty seamlessly and they're at ease discussing their outlook and worldviews among each other and that may or may not seep into an interview. Then they may be genuinely shocked that there would be people who would disagree with or be offended by a statement made in the itnerview....

499 notutopia  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:25:43am

re: #495 MandyManners

Oh, it was funny so laughter is okay. It took me a while to get over my feelings but, I patronize that store.

I would have called the EPA and OSHA.
You're far more gracious than I.

500 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:25:55am

When this askhole crawls out from under his rock....ah well...you know: German Ex-Chancellor Schroeder to Meet Iranian President

501 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:26:04am

ACORN breaks into home

ome community activists could face criminal charges after breaking into a home in Southeast Baltimore.

After snapping a lock with bolt cutters, ACORN member Louis Beverly told supporters "this is our house now."

The home in the 300 block of Ellwood Avenue used to be owned by Donna Hanks. She lost this home in September, after owning it since 2001. When things got tough she struggled to make her payments. Her mortgage? $1995 a month. Her income? $2200. Donna's story is one that ACORN is taking a stand against.

ACORN says that they will move Donna Hanks back in despite the fact that she no longer owns the house. During the taping of this story a man by the name of William Lane told ABC2 News that he owns the house currently--and plans to sue Acorn.

502 n in wi  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:26:10am

re: #486 Fenway_Nation

Apartheid South Africa vs Communist Cuba. Not that I liked Apartheid, but I'm glad the South Africans made it a costly venture for the Cubans.

I think the Ethiopians were briefly our proxy in Somalia last year.


Amazing how a war can be fought and won in relatively short order when there are no TV cameras around.

503 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:27:33am

re: #492 jcw46

Ignored as in; the paper work is done and the boxes are all checked but an actual investigation it wasn't. It actually makes sense as the people most likely to experience a judge's courtroom demeanor are usually those involved in a hearing of some sort or other and likely to have a vested interest in one outcome or another. Thus their complaint and their statements are usually suspect by anyone with experience. Sure it's not what's supposed to happen but it does -- a lot, particularly in the larger jurisdictions.

It's a dereliction of duty to not investigate.

I went through that office when I reported an attorney years ago. I figured it would take the investigating attorney the standard 10 days to get back to me. I reported it on a Friday afternoon, and got a call Monday morning.

He couldn't tell me how many complaints this particular attorney had caused but, when I asked him if the prompt attention was an indication, he said some would call that a reasonable assumption.

504 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:28:06am

re: #491 MandyManners


South Africa's been democratic since 1994- Cuba's still a bankrupt island prison.

/Don't like Apartheid, but not too keen on Mandela's sniffing Castro's jock and subsequent complicity with the Mugabe regime.

505 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:28:27am

re: #501 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Her mortgage? $1995 a month. Her income? $2200.


Good grief.

506 notutopia  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:28:34am

Well, hubby is home from his locums post, and I guess I should go fix some real breakfast food for him, after eating military hospital mush for the last two weeks...
BBL.

507 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:28:34am

re: #498 Fenway_Nation

I'm guessing the politics of the entertainers and the politics of whoever's interviewing them intermesh pretty seamlessly and they're at ease discussing their outlook and worldviews among each other and that may or may not seep into an interview. Then they may be genuinely shocked that there would be people who would disagree with or be offended by a statement made in the itnerview....

They live in a bubble, surrounded by an ideological mutual admiration society.

508 Cathypop  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:29:26am

re: #501 Who Watches the Watchmen?

ACORN breaks into home

Mortgage is $1995.00 and her income is $2200.00. So when does Oshit come to her rescue. And with a unicorn for the backyard?

509 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:29:28am

re: #499 notutopia

I would have called the EPA and OSHA.
You're far more gracious than I.

Gracious? No, I whimped out.

510 quickjustice  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:30:23am

re: #438 chicago blonde

Maggie Gyllenhall comes from a family of actors who are longstanding communists. It's no surprise that she and her brother are cut from the same cloth.

511 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:30:43am

re: #508 Cathypop

And with a unicorn for the backyard?

Is there already a grill or firepit for the unicorn in the back yard or will she have to find one herself?

512 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:31:17am

re: #501 Who Watches the Watchmen?

ACORN breaks into home

What if the new owner was living in that house? Would ACORN still have broken in?

513 Cathypop  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:32:09am

re: #511 Fenway_Nation

Is there already a grill or firepit for the unicorn in the back yard or will she have to find one herself?

Building a firepit in my backyard just witing for the unicorn to show up.

514 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:32:50am

re: #498 Fenway_Nation

I'm guessing the politics of the entertainers and the politics of whoever's interviewing them intermesh pretty seamlessly and they're at ease discussing their outlook and worldviews among each other and that may or may not seep into an interview. Then they may be genuinely shocked that there would be people who would disagree with or be offended by a statement made in the itnerview....

Hey, they didn't get those High School Equivalence Diplomas for nothing.

515 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:33:00am

re: #498 Fenway_Nation

I think you've got something there. So many of them are almost like alien life forms. I remember before Oprah made me want to pull out my own teeth, I watched an episode where she was talking to a celebutant about shopping. This woman was amazed that you could get a lipstick at a drugstore for under $20-25. This was back in the late 80s as I recall. I know it's a bit of trivia but I think it nicely shows how out of touch they are with how most of us live.

/Still using $8 Cherries in the Snow

516 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:34:12am

re: #504 Fenway_Nation

South Africa's been democratic since 1994- Cuba's still a bankrupt island prison.

/Don't like Apartheid, but not too keen on Mandela's sniffing Castro's jock and subsequent complicity with the Mugabe regime.

I studied the ANC's tactics in forcing students to not go to school. Winnie figured predominantly. She was one of the nastiest bits of work from the 1980s.

517 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:34:17am

re: #510 quickjustice

Maggie Gyllenhall comes from a family of actors who are longstanding communists. It's no surprise that she and her brother are cut from the same cloth.

I'm all to familiar with McFarlance's politics now, but I remeber one of the throwaway moments on Family Guy was when Stewie was complaining about how something was going to be "more unpleasant than Jake and Maggie Gyllenhall" and it cuts away to the two of them arguing at the dinner table with their father in between.

"I'm more unpleasant!"
"Oh yeah, well I'm more unwatchable...."
"Says you! I'm a bigger box-office drag"
"Kids! Kids! That's enough. You both are just....awful..."

518 jcw46  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:34:38am

re: #497 realwest
they actually ought to do something like that if they want to really "train" these guys.
it's why multi-player first person shooter games are so poplular; there's nothing like a real, live brain with a weapon to concentrate the mind. After "fighting" AI driven "enemies" real people are much more challenging. It's why OPFOR units were formed and why battlefield condition training is so valuable. Drills help muscle memory and give you a basic level of ability but actual environment with opposition under controlled conditions allows mistakes to be made without them being fatal.

519 eon  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:34:52am

re: #431 monkeytime

A good article by Uzi Rubin. "Mr. Rubin, head of Israel's Missile Defense Organization from 1991 to 1999, won the Israel Defense Prize in 1996 and 2003."

Yes, We Should Worry About Iran's Satellite

Good morning, Lizards.

Calling the techne'in Iran's missiles "proscribed" accomplishes exactly nothing in real terms. From the article and my own (fascinated amateur) knowledge, I recognized the details of the Iranian launch vehicles as being based on the old Soviet Scud series as stated. What the writer overlooked (or probably just didn't know) is that the Scud was based on the technology of the world's first ballistic missile, the World War Two German A-4 aka V-2. The major differences being the Scud was a simplified design intended for mass production (its body was a simple cylinder with a conical nose instead of the more sensuously streamlined but harder to build A-4 "spindle" shape), and the use of storable propellants (inhibited red fuming nitric acid and unsymmetrical dimethyl hydrazine) instead of the water/alcohol and liquid oxygen of the German version. Graphite exhaust vanes for steering, also a feature taken from the original A-4, are a bit less "elegant" than thrust vectoring by gimbaled motors (our most common system), but they are simple, reliable, and they work. (They also weigh less than gimbaled motors, BTW, which is a consideration if thrust is at a premium.)

And even the German team at Peenemunde' considered a two-stage version of A-4, called A-9/A-10, to either put a satellite in orbit- or drop a warhead (probably either chemical, biological, or a radioactive-dust carrying "dirty" HE airburst type) on either Washington or New York. The A-9 stage would have been a "stretched" A-4 with more propellant tankage. The A-10 stage would have been nothing more than a double-sized A-4 (scaled up 100% in all directions) with five regular A-4 motors clustered in its base. Simple, effective, and so mule-stupid it was almost impossible for it not to work.

The Iranians seem to be working along very similar lines, design-wise. The bottom line being that 27.27 kilograms of satellite in a stable orbit equals (technically speaking) about four times as much mass (100 kg or so) deposited on a ground target within 500 miles range. And 500 miles is a very long way in the MidEast. Add a reasonably "hot" booster under the first stage and the existing transtage (the equivalent of that "double-sized" A-10 stage), and you can either loft about twice that mass (200 kg+) to the same range, or that same 100+ kilograms across an ocean.

With even easily-available (black market) weapons technology, someone can pack an awful lot of grief into 100 kilograms' mass.

/Not being alarmist, but something to think about.

Have to run. Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

520 n in wi  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:35:23am

re: #494 opnion

Disturbing news, while we are planning a 17,000 ttroop surge in Afghanistan, the Pakistan government is complicating things.
The government has ceded control of border tribal areas to the Taliban.
Sharia Law is instituted & assasinations, beheadings & denial of education for gilrls are in full swing.

I have mixed emotions on this,but if we are not going to make a full commitment in Afghanistan, we should consider leaving,or greatly reducing our presence now.
It is going to get more difficult,and Obama doesn't have the desire or fortitude to see it through.
May be just stay in a position to protect Pak. nukes.
I know leaving is not a solution but it may be the best bad choice we have. Like I said,Obama will not have the fortitude to stay when it get tougher.

521 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:35:52am

Good morning!
Mmmm, let me get this straight. I am spiritually bankrupt AND in league with the Prince of Darkness if I do not believe that Earth as we know it was created in six days. So I guess the various fossils discovered belonging to the genus Homo, not to mention all of those dinosaur remnants my kids see at the Museum of Natural History, are just plants to weed out the non-believers.
BTW, I wonder how Debra Murphree and Rosemary Garcia are faring these days.

522 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:37:20am

re: #510 quickjustice

Ugh. She and her idiot brother are both gross.

523 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:38:41am

re: #510 quickjustice

Maggie Gyllenhall comes from a family of actors who are longstanding communists. It's no surprise that she and her brother are cut from the same cloth.

Per Wiki, the father, Stephen, is the brother of he executive editor of the Miami Herald, Anders Gyllenhaal.

I think it would be interesting to research the families of executives in the MFM.

524 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:38:49am

re: #521 ilzito guacamolito

Sorry....all I got from that was 'Homo Dinosaur'.

525 Wishing  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:40:46am

re: #418 jcw46

Brrrr. This gives me chills.
I understand the need for "true conditions" exercises but this is suspect.
Here's a quote:
"We really want to get as much information out there as possible, because this operation could be pretty intrusive to the people of Arcadia."

Intrusive? No? What makes you think this would be intrusive?

Nothing about whether you have the option to refuse and what will be done then.

That is one scary article. So the citizens invite the Guards in and open their doiors and cupboards? Says they are looking for an *arms dealer*? Is this a code word ?

526 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:40:47am

re: #512 MandyManners

What if the new owner was living in that house? Would ACORN still have broken in?

targets inside the wire

527 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:41:52am

re: #524 Fenway_Nation

I didn't mention Jimmy Swaggart, just commented about what he said.

528 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:42:38am

re: #525 Wishing

It would be un-PC to say they were looking for a midget arms dealer?

/

529 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:42:57am

re: #520 n in wi

I have mixed emotions on this,but if we are not going to make a full commitment in Afghanistan, we should consider leaving,or greatly reducing our presence now.
It is going to get more difficult,and Obama doesn't have the desire or fortitude to see it through.
May be just stay in a position to protect Pak. nukes.
I know leaving is not a solution but it may be the best bad choice we have. Like I said,Obama will not have the fortitude to stay when it get tougher.

Our new President is getting acquainted with reality.
He routinely criticised Bush on Afghanistan during the Campaign, but now like lots of things he ridiculed , he is finding that it is not that easy.
He knows that if he pulls our troops out that Al Queda could reconstitute there & he doesn't want to hand the Repulicans an issue.
This is not a novel opinion but I think that Obama is over his head.

530 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:43:05am

re: #526 albusteve

targets inside the wire

In Baltimore? I wonder what Maryland's law is about defending yourself and your property.

Maybe ACORN is content for now to break into homes not occupied by the new owners.

531 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:43:47am

The blue dawn of another day when the sun will shine on the earth again. The Towercam, San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.

"Paradise is all around us and we do not understand."

— Thomas Merton.

Good morning Lizards, to those in the morning;

Greetings to those in further time zones.

532 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:44:00am

re: #523 MandyManners

Probably would be an eye-opener, wouldn't it?

533 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:44:57am

re: #530 MandyManners

In Baltimore? I wonder what Maryland's law is about defending yourself and your property.

Maybe ACORN is content for now to break into homes not occupied by the new owners.

It's about staging. There's better publicity in cutting a padlock off an empty house than a home invasion.

534 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:46:05am

re: #530 MandyManners

In Baltimore? I wonder what Maryland's law is about defending yourself and your property.

Maybe ACORN is content for now to break into homes not occupied by the new owners.

don't know...I have my own law and besides NM allows you to not become a victim

535 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:46:21am

re: #532 chicago blonde

Probably would be an eye-opener, wouldn't it?

Yes but, it also might confirm our suspicions.

The first step would be to get the names of every publisher, executive and manager.

536 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:47:04am

re: #533 Who Watches the Watchmen?

It's about staging. There's better publicity in cutting a padlock off an empty house than a home invasion.

Do they have the means and the guts to escalate?

537 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:47:30am

re: #534 albusteve

don't know...I have my own law and besides NM allows you to not become a victim

It might be different in Maryland.

538 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:47:39am

re: #529 opnion

Our position in Iraq (i.e. the 'bad' war) is much more tenable than Afghanistan (i.e. the 'good' war) with the Taliban attacking supply routes and Kyrgyzistan closing down a stragetically-placed air base.

539 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:48:06am

Dear Mr. Swaggart, ... this Christian is happy to realize that he's spiritually bankrupt, speculative, philosophical, non-scientific, atheistic and Satanic.

You will, I'm sure, be aghast to know that I stirred by peas in with my mashed potatoes when I was a child.

/just trying to make your day

540 quickjustice  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:49:17am

re: #533 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Here in NYC, ACORN picked a black grandma with a daycare center who lost her brand new house in Queens to foreclosure as their poster girl. NY1 gave them ten minutes of prime-time TV coverage. No attempt to interview the bank or the new owner. More evidence that the media are lackeys of the left.

541 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:49:25am

re: #539 pre-Boomer Marine brat

My cousins, Catholics all, drank dill pickle juice through chocolate flavor straws.

/going to hell for sure

542 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:49:54am

re: #535 MandyManners

Yes but, it also might confirm our suspicions.

I bet it would.

543 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:50:12am
544 ilzito guacamolito  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:50:38am

re: #384 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Brrrr. I just got a chill.

545 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:51:04am

re: #541 Ojoe

I like a little ketchup for my onion rings. I'm likely in the same handbasket.

546 Cathypop  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:51:12am

re: #501 Who Watches the Watchmen?

About a month ago I heard on the radio about a group in Florida called "Take Back our Land" They were breaking into homes that had been foreclosed and moving homeless people into them. Have not seen anything else on this.

547 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:51:50am

re: #541 Ojoe

My cousins, Catholics all, drank dill pickle juice through chocolate flavor straws.

/going to hell for sure

FOR SURE!

548 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:51:53am

re: #518 jcw46
Yep, even back in the day when I was in (he says, clutching his cane and swigging Geritol) we had an Advanced Infantry Course called point and shoot or some such thingy. We'd wear a helmet with a Plexiglas visor and some padding and then have to wander along a trail from one part of a forest to the end, with pump BB guns. OPFOR guys would jump out from behind trees and crap and shoot at us with BB's. The idea was to develop our reflexes so we got away from all of our prior "aim, breathe out slowly and slowly pull back on the trigger"rifle shooting training and get to real life where if you do that aim, breathe out crap you'll be killed.
Course, we weren't clearing urban areas, just "Vietnamese" Villages/mock ups. But sometimes those effin BB's would break the skin and they HURT - so you really got used to what it was like to shoot first and question later. I probably plugged every damn tree in that forest!

549 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:52:09am

good morning peeps.

THIS totally made my morning:

If it weren’t for his Power of Myth series where he introduced Joseph Campbell to a broader audience, Bill Moyers would have contributed little to our national discourse. He has otherwise dedicated his career almost exclusively to destroying Republicans.

It’s too bad that despite his deep affection for Campbell and his work, Moyers all but ignored that great mythologist’s politics. Campbell was a Republican and, as I understand, a pretty conservative one at that.


FU Bill Moyers - you small little fascist f*ck.

550 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:53:27am

I didn't tell Swagger that I also like anchovies.
Didn't want to give him a coronary.

551 n in wi  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:53:38am

re: #529 opnion

Our new President is getting acquainted with reality.
He routinely criticised Bush on Afghanistan during the Campaign, but now like lots of things he ridiculed , he is finding that it is not that easy.
He knows that if he pulls our troops out that Al Queda could reconstitute there & he doesn't want to hand the Repulicans an issue.
This is not a novel opinion but I think that Obama is over his head.


Like you said,it's about politics to them. Always was.
I see Gates leaving in a year, and Obama withdrawing shortly after.
He'll say it was too far gone because Bush diverted attention to Iraq.

552 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:53:55am

re: #538 Fenway_Nation

Our position in Iraq (i.e. the 'bad' war) is much more tenable than Afghanistan (i.e. the 'good' war) with the Taliban attacking supply routes and Kyrgyzistan closing down a stragetically-placed air base.

Afghanistan is really a tough slog. The terrain is inhospitable & they have no tradition of central government.
Add to that, they have the psyche of knowing that the British & Russians were defeated there. The enemy no doubt figures that time is on their side.
My fear is that if we get a poor outcome there, it will ginn up the worldwide Jihad.

553 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:54:09am

re: #542 chicago blonde

They couldn't claim such a study would violate their right to privacy. Well, they could but, it would be hypocritical and farcical.

554 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:54:34am

re: #546 Cathypop

About a month ago I heard on the radio about a group in Florida called "Take Back our Land" They were breaking into homes that had been foreclosed and moving homeless people into them. Have not seen anything else on this.

[Link: takebacktheland.net...]
Miami.
How bizarre.

555 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:55:02am

re: #537 MandyManners

It might be different in Maryland.

my property, over an acre, is completely sealed with 6ft chainlink fencing and block walls...the driveways are gated and locked...typical in NM, it's understood that if you breech the walls at night it goes to guns...very simple and effective...all my neighbors here at Ft. Willow are armed...911 is an afterthought you might say, for cleanup crew

556 J.D.  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:55:33am

re: #548 realwest

Mornin' {realwest}.
Eyes better?

557 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:56:45am

re: #555 albusteve

my property, over an acre, is completely sealed with 6ft chainlink fencing and block walls...the driveways are gated and locked...typical in NM, it's understood that if you breech the walls at night it goes to guns...very simple and effective...all my neighbors here at Ft. Willow are armed...911 is an afterthought you might say, for cleanup crew

Again, it might be different in Maryland.

558 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:57:40am

re: #551 n in wi

Like you said,it's about politics to them. Always was.
I see Gates leaving in a year, and Obama withdrawing shortly after.
He'll say it was too far gone because Bush diverted attention to Iraq.

Ya know, Obama could bet his Messianic complex all mixed up iin Afgghanistan. He may make our commanders to foolish things & get a lot of troops killed. Then he would still blame Bush

559 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:58:51am

re: #553 MandyManners

Fortunately lot of them do the work for us. Just blab in front of the camera and voila, I know not to buy their DVDs. :)

560 Miss Trixie  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:59:17am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

We've a bright and sparkly winter day with a little more gorebull warming on the ground overnight. I'm so ready for spring, I tell you what.

{realwest} Morning, hunnie! *smoochie-smooch* Sorry to hear you're so cold. Here's a Snuggie ...

:D

New avatar BTW.

561 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 6:59:53am

re: #533 Who Watches the Watchmen? Don't know what the gun laws are in Baltimore, but damned if I wasn't the owner of that house, if me and a couple of buddies wouldn't break in with 20 gauge shotguns (loaded with birdshot) and tell the bastards to get out of my property or I'd shoot 'em. And if they didn't leave, I would shoot 'em - probably in the legs - maybe cause some minor wounds but if someone breaks into MY house they'd be paying a much heavier price.
WTF is wrong with the Baltimore PD - what, can anyone break into a home that's temporarily empty (like if a couple live there but actually, ya know, GO TO WORK) and claim it as theirs?

562 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:00:46am

re: #553 MandyManners

And I pretty much just assume the media has an agenda. Watching Campbell Brown drool over Obama and bash Palin was confirmation but no surprise.

563 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:02:02am

re: #549 FrogMarch

Falwell and Robertson are held up to the ridicule they deserve whenever they say something stupid (altho' the MSM uses it as an opportunity to charichture the right as a whole).

Reverend Wright leads his congregation in 'God Damn America' just after the 9/11 attacks and one tool Bill Moyers gives another tool Wright a platform in which he can explain himself as a 'complex charchter who shouldn't be judged on a 5-second soundbite that was taken completely out of context'.

FUCK
THEM
AND
THE
CHICKENS
THEY
RODE
IN
ON

564 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:02:23am

re: #559 chicago blonde

Fortunately lot of them do the work for us. Just blab in front of the camera and voila, I know not to buy their DVDs. :)

I'm talking about the powers that be in the MFM.

565 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:03:01am

re: #560 Miss Trixie

New avatar BTW.

"The day the barfing began"
:D

566 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:03:02am

re: #562 chicago blonde

And I pretty much just assume the media has an agenda. Watching Campbell Brown drool over Obama and bash Palin was confirmation but no surprise.

I've never watched her but, knowing she's on CNN gives me a clue about her.

567 n in wi  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:03:35am

re: #558 opnion

He is more intent on being the Distributor in Chief, than the Commander in Chief.

568 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:03:36am

re: #563 Fenway_Nation

And we shall know our enemy, as they shall come riding in on gremlins and chickens...

569 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:03:59am

re: #550 pre-Boomer Marine brat Hey there PBMB! "anchovies"? Ewww!

570 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:04:38am

re: #560 Miss Trixie

New avatar BTW.

Oh, I love it. I just wanna' reach into the screen and tickle it.

571 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:04:44am

re: #564 MandyManners

I know, caught that belatedly, see #562. I do need more coffee...

572 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:04:51am

re: #562 chicago blonde

And I pretty much just assume the media has an agenda. Watching Campbell Brown drool over Obama and bash Palin was confirmation but no surprise.

Isn't she married to Ari Fliesher?

573 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:05:03am

re: #561 realwest

Don't know what the gun laws are in Baltimore, but damned if I wasn't the owner of that house, if me and a couple of buddies wouldn't break in with 20 gauge shotguns (loaded with birdshot) and tell the bastards to get out of my property or I'd shoot 'em. And if they didn't leave, I would shoot 'em - probably in the legs - maybe cause some minor wounds but if someone breaks into MY house they'd be paying a much heavier price.
WTF is wrong with the Baltimore PD - what, can anyone break into a home that's temporarily empty (like if a couple live there but actually, ya know, GO TO WORK) and claim it as theirs?

the govt decides which laws to enforce and when to do it...the concept of ownership is rapidly changing...you have to give up what is yours (Kelo) and you are highly restricted how you can protect what they let you have

574 Ojoe  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:05:14am

re: #543 MandyManners

Thanks

575 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:05:27am

re: #568 chicago blonde

Gremlins and chickens that are walking kinda funny...

576 Miss Trixie  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:05:53am

re: #565 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"The day the barfing began"
:D

*snicker* :D

Morning, toots.

577 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:06:55am

re: #572 opnion

Per Wikipedia:

On April 2, 2006, Brown married her second husband Daniel Samuel Senor (born 1971), a Republican consultant who regularly appears on Fox News.

Huh.

578 Miss Trixie  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:07:03am

Has Scottishbuzzsaw been around lately? I've been a little worried about her.

579 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:08:38am

re: #569 realwest

Hey there PBMB! "anchovies"? Ewww!

I'm damned to perdition for eternity.

/why should I care about being all those things Swaggart thinks I am?

580 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:08:49am

re: #567 n in wi

He is more intent on being the Distributor in Chief, than the Commander in Chief.

true, he really does want to loot your money to give to someone else.
But anti military types can really get in to the Commander in Chief thing.
Clinton is an example. He loved using the military, as long as it had nothing to do with our national interests.

581 Wishing  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:08:57am

re: #552 opnion

Afghanistan is really a tough slog. The terrain is inhospitable & they have no tradition of central government.
Add to that, they have the psyche of knowing that the British & Russians were defeated there. The enemy no doubt figures that time is on their side.
My fear is that if we get a poor outcome there, it will ginn up the worldwide Jihad.

I do not think Obama takes the word *loss* well, and I do not think he is anything short of a loose cannon, when provoked. If Afghanistan goes badly, I am expecting him to use *less than PC weapons*. Anything to secure his *win*.

582 Taqiyyotomist  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:09:00am

Good morning Lizardia! from re-snowy South Haven. 6-8 inches today. Gah.

583 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:09:08am

re: #563 Fenway_Nation

Both sides of the political spectrum have their freaks. The freaks on the left get a pass and a whitewash by fellow media freaks like Bill Moyers.

I am just so happy to learn that Joseph Campbell was a Republican.

584 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:09:10am

re: #552 opnion
Yep, but the difference between OUR troops and the SOVIET troops is incredible. Plus when we first went in , we used a combination of Shock and Awe (B-52's with 500 lb conventional munitions; gunships, close in air support) and other Afghans (the National Front) to do most of the fighting. There has NEVER been a cental government in those regions in Pakistan where they are hiding out; they are "governed" by a multitude of Warlords. I figure if we pay those Warlords enough money, they'll take care of the Taliban and Al-Q for us; after all the Taliban and Al-Q threaten the Warlords' hold on that area, too.

585 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:09:40am

re: #578 Miss Trixie

Has Scottishbuzzsaw been around lately? I've been a little worried about her.

She was here yesterday afternoon-ish.

586 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:09:45am

re: #578 Miss Trixie

Has Scottishbuzzsaw been around lately? I've been a little worried about her.

I know she was in at the tail end of the Missouri Creationist Bill thread night before last.

587 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:10:00am

re: #572 opnion

Isn't she married to Ari Fliesher?

Nope. Christianne Amanpour is married to him.

588 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:10:17am

re: #556 J.D.
Hey, hi {j.D.} yes, eye is much better, thank you kindly!
How are y'all doing these days?

589 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:10:39am

re: #578 Miss Trixie

Has Scottishbuzzsaw been around lately? I've been a little worried about her.

She was here yesterday.

590 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:11:08am

re: #550 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I didn't tell Swagger that I also like anchovies.
Didn't want to give him a coronary.


What kind of filthy disgusting degenrate likes anchovies!?

/not as a pizza topping, I hope

591 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:11:49am

oooo the Obama media pimpage is starting.
(the deception)
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

that extra 13 bucks a week is on its way!

592 phoenixgirl  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:11:57am

re: #587 MandyManners

Nope. Christianne Amanpour is married to him.

mandy, you're kidding right?

593 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:11:58am

Notice that we have Scottishbuzzsaw and Buzzsawmonkey? What is it about Lizards and buzz saws?

594 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:12:05am

re: #581 Wishing

I do not think Obama takes the word *loss* well, and I do not think he is anything short of a loose cannon, when provoked. If Afghanistan goes badly, I am expecting him to use *less than PC weapons*. Anything to secure his *win*.

I agree. He has his ego all tied up in Afghanistan because he got really mouthy about it. He could double down & force a stupid strategy.

595 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:12:20am

re: #593 MandyManners

We like to cut through B.S.?

596 Miss Trixie  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:12:33am

Thanks. Is there a new pupster in her arms yet to mend her broken heart?

597 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:12:51am

re: #587 MandyManners

Nope. Christianne Amanpour is married to him.

I think that Amanpour is married to Jamie Rubin.

598 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:13:14am

re: #560 {Miss Trixie} Good morning gorgeous! *smooches* back to you - I find that they'll proably keep you warmer than a Snuggie! LOL!
I looked and looked at that Avatar (blown up by clicking on it) and still can't figure out what it is except a cat lying on it's back!
Sorry - but what is it?

599 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:13:14am

re: #592 phoenixgirl

mandy, you're kidding right?

Oops. She's married to James Rubin.

600 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:13:25am

re: #587 MandyManners

I cringed a little and I think the 'boys' went into hiding at the very mention of her name.

601 phoenixgirl  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:13:42am

ari is married to rebecca davis

602 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:13:42am

re: #595 chicago blonde

We like to cut through B.S.?

And it can be so thick that we need a buzz saw!

603 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:14:06am

re: #597 opnion

I think that Amanpour is married to Jamie Rubin.

Yep.

604 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:14:18am

re: #600 Fenway_Nation

You're on a roll today! What coffee do you drink?
/I need to upgrade

605 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:14:46am

re: #593 MandyManners

Notice that we have Scottishbuzzsaw and Buzzsawmonkey? What is it about Lizards and buzz saws?

Render dresses out his trolls with one....SPLAT!

606 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:14:56am

re: #600 Fenway_Nation

I cringed a little and I think the 'boys' went into hiding at the very mention of her name.

Is it safe for them to come out now?

607 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:15:22am

re: #590 Fenway_Nation

What kind of filthy disgusting degenrate likes anchovies!?

/not as a pizza topping, I hope

*thinks twice about replying*

... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... *silence*

608 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:15:24am

re: #605 albusteve

Render dresses out his trolls with one....SPLAT!

Messy. Very messy.

609 Wishing  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:15:24am

re: #594 opnion

I agree. He has his ego all tied up in Afghanistan because he got really mouthy about it. He could double down & force a stupid strategy.

I absolutely expect it. A woman scorned and all....

610 Last Mohican  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:15:29am

Hey, has anyone seen oslogin? I haven't seen him or her for days, and I have a correction and apology that I want to post when he or she is around.

611 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:16:07am

re: #573 albusteve
NO. In Kelo the property owners WERE PAID the FMV for their property. Here these ACORN mofos just took over someone else's property. Period. The Balitmore PD should be sued by that new owner unless he want's to try my method first.

612 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:16:16am

re: #604 chicago blonde

Well....I just had a White Russian and some ny-quil.

/Kalhua come from coffee- right?

613 Lincolntf  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:16:40am

re: #591 FrogMarch

That reminds me. I have to go find a bunch of bloggers from pre-election days who used their "tax-cut calculator" to "prove" that Obama was going to put tons of money into their pockets. I'm wondering how those calculations look now that we've seen Obama in action.

614 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:17:14am

re: #578 Miss Trixie
She was out here last night if that's any consolation to you. Maybe you should do an LGF search on her name?

615 Miss Trixie  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:17:34am

re: #598 realwest

Good morning gorgeous! *smooches* back to you - I find that they'll proably keep you warmer than a Snuggie! LOL!
I looked and looked at that Avatar (blown up by clicking on it) and still can't figure out what it is except a cat [*with a monster tummy] lying on it's back!
Sorry - but what is it?

*The caption reads "The Day the Barking Stopped."

:D

616 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:17:53am

re: #612 Fenway_Nation

Wow. Had I had one or the other I wouldn't be able to string 2 sentences together! :)

White Russians are tasty though....

617 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:18:18am

re: #579 pre-Boomer Marine brat Oh hell, I wasn't talking about Swaggart, I was talking about anchovies! EWWWWW!
:)

618 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:18:32am

re: #607 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Safest thing in the world is to leave me in a room with a pizza that has anchovy, pineapple and/or olive on it. No matter how hungry I am, chances are that pizza will be undisturbed.

619 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:18:52am

re: #603 MandyManners

Yep.


Brown married Dan Senor.

620 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:20:09am

re: #611 realwest

NO. In Kelo the property owners WERE PAID the FMV for their property. Here these ACORN mofos just took over someone else's property. Period. The Balitmore PD should be sued by that new owner unless he want's to try my method first.

they were paid yes, but they were forced to give it up...I like your method, I will not bow to authority acting against my security or interests...but it's not for everyone...I've been jailed a few times...I expect if this guy goes in to take his property with violence he will go down

621 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:20:36am

re: #613 Lincolntf

That reminds me. I have to go find a bunch of bloggers from pre-election days who used their "tax-cut calculator" to "prove" that Obama was going to put tons of money into their pockets. I'm wondering how those calculations look now that we've seen Obama in action.

The democrats do not know how to properly cut taxes. It's all a scam. It's all smoke and mirrors. Obama promised to let the evil Bush tax cuts expire. If they expire, won't that effectively raise all of our taxes and offset any piddly 13 bucks a week?

622 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:20:40am

re: #609 Wishing

I absolutely expect it. A woman scorned and all....

Wish that I would have said that. You got an upding.

623 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:21:26am

re: #618 Fenway_Nation

We agree on pineapple.
I've never liked olives in any fashion, so I guess it doesn't count.

624 neverquit  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:21:39am

re: #1 Sharmuta

And how much money did this guy pay for sex?

Oh boy, this calls for a Lazarus Long Quote:

Whores perform the same function as priests, but far more thoroughly.

625 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:21:43am

re: #616 chicago blonde

Not sure I used enough vodka.....oh wait it's starting to kick in...

626 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:21:54am

re: #618 Fenway_Nation

That reminded me - the first time I had anchovies, they were sliced into itty bitty things on the pizza my friend ordered, so they didn't bother me. Much.

When I met my future mother-in-law for the first time, she ordered a pizza with anchovies. I almost died when the thing came with SARDINE-SIZED CHUNKS of fish on it. I quietly fed them to Mr. Blonde, who didn't rat me out - he got the anchovy gene from his mother.

/I married a good man.

627 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:22:39am

re: #610 Last Mohican
Good morning! Y'all ought to try an LGF search for him.
Hell, just click my avatar, go to recent searches, delete my name and insert his (make sure you use the " feature at the beginning and end) and you'll go to any comments he's made in the last two weeks.

628 Lincolntf  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:22:41am

re: #621 FrogMarch

Of course.
Math has never been the strong suit of the dewy-eyed hopenchangers

629 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:22:56am

re: #623 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Pineapples were meant to be crushed into juice and serve chilled with vodka.

/doesn't even have to be good vodka

630 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:23:22am

re: #617 realwest

Oh & Real, you think it's cold there? I'll give ya cold! come on over here. I have to go clear the drive way.

How ya doin?

631 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:23:52am

re: #611 realwest

NO. In Kelo the property owners WERE PAID the FMV for their property. Here these ACORN mofos just took over someone else's property. Period. The Balitmore PD should be sued by that new owner unless he want's to try my method first.

Why should the homeowner sue the BPD? The department is treating it as a crime scene. The police cannot stand guard over every empty, foreclosed home.

632 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:24:28am

re: #619 opnion

Brown married Dan Senor.

I know that name.

633 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:24:54am

re: #628 Lincolntf

Of course.
Math has never been the strong suit of the dewy-eyed hopenchangers

Heh. No it hasn't.

634 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:25:38am

re: #620 albusteve
Well fuck that. If he calls the PD and says get their asses outta my property - and has a lawyer with him to prove it's his property - what the hell do the PD do about the ACORN mofos? That's the question I keep asking.

635 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:25:53am

re: #628 Lincolntf

Of course.
Math has never been the strong suit of the dewy-eyed hopenchangers

Or basic hygiene
Or interpersonal skills
Or geography
Or a firm grasp of logic
Or a sense of responsibility
Or any sense of irony

636 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:26:05am

re: #632 MandyManners

I know that name.

Senor works with Fox and The Wall Street Journal.

637 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:26:41am

Hillary....poor Hillary already not so popular


[Link: washingtontimes.com...]

638 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:26:45am

re: #620 albusteve

they were paid yes, but they were forced to give it up...I like your method, I will not bow to authority acting against my security or interests...but it's not for everyone...I've been jailed a few times...I expect if this guy goes in to take his property with violence he will go down

The police have secured the property.

639 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:27:17am

LGF 101, Lesson 18 -- how to blow 2,000 positive karma points in one post

When I fix an 8" DiGiorno deep-dish pizza for myself, I put an entire can of anchovies on it

640 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:27:18am

re: #623 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Wait a minute! Y'all like anchovies but you don't like one of God's finest gifts to man, olives? G'head, tell me you put anchovies in your martini's!
Gah.
:)

641 JCM  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:27:35am

Evolution is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it.... Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory.

— Jimmy Swaggart

"Spiritually bankrupt;" interesting choice of words there Jimmy.

Morning Honcos.

642 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:27:52am

re: #634 realwest

Well fuck that. If he calls the PD and says get their asses outta my property - and has a lawyer with him to prove it's his property - what the hell do the PD do about the ACORN mofos? That's the question I keep asking.

find a peaceful resolution?.....spit

643 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:28:06am

re: #634 realwest

Well fuck that. If he calls the PD and says get their asses outta my property - and has a lawyer with him to prove it's his property - what the hell do the PD do about the ACORN mofos? That's the question I keep asking.

The owner was not living in the house. I don't see ACORN entering an occupied house.

644 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:28:18am

Well, I hate to leave, but I need to dig out the global warming. If I don't freeze I'll be back later. Bye Lizards!

645 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:28:44am

re: #632 MandyManners

I know that name.

He was Deputy White House Press Secretary for Bush.
Interesting , because Brown is the daughter of a Democrat ,Louisiana politician.

646 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:29:00am

The ACORN story.

[Link: www.abc2news.com...]

647 Last Mohican  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:29:13am

re: #627 realwest

Well, I'm not sure I have the hang of the LGF user search. Clicking anaAvatar just gets me a little sub-window in which I can't specify a different user. But I went back to an old thread and searched for oslogin there. No posts since early AM of 2/19. I guess I could try sending email...

648 notutopia  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:29:15am

re: #593 MandyManners

Notice that we have Scottishbuzzsaw and Buzzsawmonkey? What is it about Lizards and buzz saws?

It's funny, because in Med School, they slang refer to Ortho Surgeons as Buzzsawmonkey's.
Are either Surgeons?
They both have cutting wit!

649 chicago blonde  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:29:29am

re: #640 realwest

*waving* And yes, olives are a beautiful thing.

Bye all!

650 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:29:39am

re: #637 albusteve

Looks like the ChiComs investment in the 1990s is paying big dividends.

/Kinda sad when the ChiComs and Vlad Putin are more knowledgable about free markets/capitalism than the current Administration

651 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:29:53am

re: #630 opnion
I KNOW it's cold down here in the SOUTHLAND. And I'd be happy to help ya with your shoveling and all, but I got this bad back, see and, uh, well........and I do have chores to run!
(whew, thank God for chores!).

652 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:30:06am

re: #640 realwest

Wait a minute! Y'all like anchovies but you don't like one of God's finest gifts to man, olives? G'head, tell me you put anchovies in your martini's!
Gah.
:)

Don't like martinis either.

/incipient pariah status

653 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:30:09am

re: #634 realwest

Well fuck that. If he calls the PD and says get their asses outta my property - and has a lawyer with him to prove it's his property - what the hell do the PD do about the ACORN mofos? That's the question I keep asking.

It doesn't matter. It's over. ACORN got the story on the news and that was the goal. Maybe they were hoping for a violent encounter in order to bring in Rev. Al and the cable news networks, but they basically got what they wanted.

654 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:30:11am

re: #638 MandyManners

The police have secured the property.

good now the owner should procede with criminal charges against ACORN...push back hard

655 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:30:31am
656 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:30:43am

re: #645 opnion

He was Deputy White House Press Secretary for Bush.
Interesting , because Brown is the daughter of a Democrat ,Louisiana politician.

Carville and Matalin. Senor and Brown.

I wonder what dinner conversations are like in their homes.

657 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:31:03am

re: #641 JCM

Good morning!

658 Wishing  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:31:16am

re: #646 MandyManners

The ACORN story.

[Link: www.abc2news.com...]

OMG! I lived in the 300 block of Elwood ave!

659 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:31:24am

re: #648 notutopia

It's funny, because in Med School, they slang refer to Ortho Surgeons as Buzzsawmonkey's.
Are either Surgeons?
They both have cutting wit!

I don't know what Scottishbuzzsaw does. Buzzsawmonkey is an attorney.

660 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:31:40am

re: #641 JCM


"Spiritually bankrupt;" interesting choice of words there Jimmy.

Morning Honcos.

I'd be spiritually bankrupt too if I picked up as many spiritual hookers as Swaggert did.

661 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:31:57am

re: #643 MandyManners
Suppose the owner wanted to move into his/her/their house Mandy? It doesn't matter if they live there; they own it and presumably pay taxes (and hopefully insurance) on the property it's theirs to occupy when they feel like it.
What's the PD gonna do?

662 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:32:12am

re: #651 realwest

I KNOW it's cold down here in the SOUTHLAND. And I'd be happy to help ya with your shoveling and all, but I got this bad back, see and, uh, well........and I do have chores to run!
(whew, thank God for chores!).


Good news, I have a snowblower!. My wife is out of town & it is just me & the dog. I have liquor & cigars, so think about it

663 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:32:42am

re: #650 Fenway_Nation

Looks like the ChiComs investment in the 1990s is paying big dividends.

/Kinda sad when the ChiComs and Vlad Putin are more knowledgable about free markets/capitalism than the current Administration

ironic since BO is a stone cold commie...the world is upside down

664 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:32:53am

re: #641 JCM


Morning Honcos.

Who you calling a Honco, Honco?
G'day JCM.

665 notutopia  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:32:56am

re: #639 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LGF 101, Lesson 18 -- how to blow 2,000 positive karma points in one post

When I fix an 8" DiGiorno deep-dish pizza for myself, I put an entire can of anchovies on it

Now that's one big fishy hor' derve!

666 Last Mohican  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:33:06am

re: #634 realwest

Well fuck that. If he calls the PD and says get their asses outta my property - and has a lawyer with him to prove it's his property - what the hell do the PD do about the ACORN mofos? That's the question I keep asking.

The owner of the foreclosed house in Baltimore is presumably the bank, right? I don't think it's worth the lawyer fees for a bank to sue ACORN. I think sometimes they don't even bother to foreclose. Plus, this being Baltimore, a lawsuit would probably just trigger a wave of bad publicity for the bank. Al Sharpton would come in and mobilize people to start trashing the bank's branches. That sort of thing.

667 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:33:09am

re: #654 albusteve

good now the owner should procede with criminal charges against ACORN...push back hard

Don't the police lodge criminal charges with the victim usually being the complaining witness? As for what the owner should do, I think he should sue in civil court.

668 n in wi  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:33:26am

re: #656 MandyManners

Carville and Matalin. Senor and Brown.

I wonder what dinner conversations are like in their homes.

Abbott and Costello

669 phoenixgirl  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:33:33am

i think i've been over stimulated.....how much will you pay for the stimulus package

670 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:33:41am

re: #646 MandyManners

The ACORN story.

[Link: www.abc2news.com...]

quick - ACORN deserves 4 billion dollars!

671 Lincolntf  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:33:53am

re: #643 MandyManners

Not yet, But it only takes a small leap of conjecture to picture a case where an occupied building (perhaps a Korean Deli or the like) is essentially occupied by intimidation, forcing the legitimate owners out to be replaced by Acorn-approved "community members".
I put nothing past these power-mad thugs.

672 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:34:39am

re: #652 pre-Boomer Marine brat Actually I don't like martinis either - even back in the day when I was drinking I couldn't stand 'em. I just used them for comparison purposes!

673 Irish Rose  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:35:02am

Ah yes, Jimmy Swaggart.
Televangelism pioneer.

Great piano player... runs in the family

Flaming hypocrite.
Bonafide nutcase.

"I've never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I'm going to be blunt and plain: if one ever looks at me like that, I'm going to kill him and tell God he died.”

“If I do not return to the pulpit this weekend, millions of people will go to hell!”

~ Jimmy Swaggart

Swaggart on the Beatles:

"You boys and girls that have Beatle records at home, this is the most rotten, dirty, damnable, filthy, putrid filth that this nation or the world has ever known. And you parents that would allow this filth to be in your home, you ought to be taken out somewhere and horsewhipped, you hear me. And I mean it, my friend".

Swaggart on sex education:

"I saw pictures the other day of what they’re wanting to show our kids. And I want to tell you, if I ever hear of one teacher that shows my boy that filth, I’m going to get in my car and go to that school and pull off my coat, and when I get through with him, his face is going to be rearranged".

Swaggart on the prostitute that he was caught boinking with in a New Orleans hotel room:

I have sinned against you, my Lord!

/get off the stage and stay off, idiot

674 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:35:07am

re: #646 MandyManners

The ACORN story.

[Link: www.abc2news.com...]

I'd like to know what her monthly income was in 2001, when she took out the loan to buy the house.

675 JCM  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:35:11am

re: #664 FrogMarch

Who you calling a Honco, Honco?
G'day JCM.

I wonder if the poor smuck who wrote that letter knows how much fun we've had with it?

676 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:35:26am

re: #538 Fenway_Nation

Our position in Iraq (i.e. the 'bad' war) is much more tenable than Afghanistan (i.e. the 'good' war) with the Taliban attacking supply routes and Kyrgyzistan closing down a stragetically-placed air base.

i'm going to be asking all the libs i know to tell me abt. the marches and protests they have lined up for this troop surge of 17000. it is going to be interesting to see how many of these anti-war crusaders make excuses for this "good war" or even endorse it.
i will be revisiting their favorite slogan, "war is NOT the answer"
and see how they justify it all of a sudden.

677 Wishing  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:35:42am

re: #666 Last Mohican

The owner of the foreclosed house in Baltimore is presumably the bank, right? I don't think it's worth the lawyer fees for a bank to sue ACORN. I think sometimes they don't even bother to foreclose. Plus, this being Baltimore, a lawsuit would probably just trigger a wave of bad publicity for the bank. Al Sharpton would come in and mobilize people to start trashing the bank's branches. That sort of thing.

It actually is a nice area, a one way street, just off a city park. About 2 miles from Johns-Hopkins Bayview Hospital (where I used to work).

678 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:35:44am

re: #656 MandyManners

Carville and Matalin. Senor and Brown.

I wonder what dinner conversations are like in their homes.

Mandy, I caught Carville's & Matlin's schtick some years back at a Trade Show in DC.
They of course were compensated for showing up. All they did is schill a new book by Carville. To me it was painful & I wondered if either one believed anything

679 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:35:53am

re: #667 MandyManners

Don't the police lodge criminal charges with the victim usually being the complaining witness? As for what the owner should do, I think he should sue in civil court.

he should do something...he's been used by ACORN and has an obligation to himself to move legally against them...imo

680 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:36:00am

re: #637 albusteve

Hillary....poor Hillary already not so popular

[Link: washingtontimes.com...]

The Democrats cannot help acting like totally hypocrites. (what happens when we have an unprofessional unaccountable agenda driven media)

A year ago, when it wasn't their problem to deal with, they were sniping and badgering Bush to stay away from the Olympics. Resolutions were passed. Letters were written.

681 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:37:46am

Swaggart on the Beatles:

"You boys and girls that have Beatle records at home, this is the most rotten, dirty, damnable, filthy, putrid filth that this nation or the world has ever known. And you parents that would allow this filth to be in your home, you ought to be taken out somewhere and horsewhipped, you hear me. And I mean it, my friend".

obviously he was unfamiliar with the Stones at the time....what a rube

682 yesandno  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:38:20am

Why does the term "April Fools" come to mind?

683 vxbush  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:38:27am

'Allo.....

684 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:38:47am

re: #680 FrogMarch

Socks is rolling over in his grave...

685 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:39:29am

re: #683 vxbush

'Allo.....

Hi!
Hope you're feeling a lot better than a few days ago!

686 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:39:30am

re: #681 albusteve

Swaggart on the Beatles:

"You boys and girls that have Beatle records at home, this is the most rotten, dirty, damnable, filthy, putrid filth that this nation or the world has ever known. And you parents that would allow this filth to be in your home, you ought to be taken out somewhere and horsewhipped, you hear me. And I mean it, my friend".

obviously he was unfamiliar with the Stones at the time....what a rube


He should have been an Imam.

687 notutopia  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:39:47am

re: #681 albusteve

Swaggart on the Beatles:

"You boys and girls that have Beatle records at home, this is the most rotten, dirty, damnable, filthy, putrid filth that this nation or the world has ever known. And you parents that would allow this filth to be in your home, you ought to be taken out somewhere and horsewhipped, you hear me. And I mean it, my friend".

obviously he was unfamiliar with the Stones at the time....what a rube

Jimmy Swaggart...his name sounds more like that of a country and western artist.

688 rightymouse  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:40:28am

re: #673 Irish Rose

Swaggart on the prostitute that he was caught boinking with in a New Orleans hotel room:

Now..now..he was just doing research on sex education...

/lol!

689 JCM  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:40:30am

re: #669 phoenixgirl

i think i've been over stimulated.....how much will you pay for the stimulus package

$787,000,000,000
142,000,000 employed according to the Jan. numbers.
95% will benefit from stimulus. That leaves 5% to pay for it.
7,100,000 working folks get to pay for stimulus.

$787,000,000,000
÷ 7,100,000
---------------------
$110,845.07 each for those who pay....

690 VioletTiger  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:40:44am

re: #639 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LGF 101, Lesson 18 -- how to blow 2,000 positive karma points in one post

When I fix an 8" DiGiorno deep-dish pizza for myself, I put an entire can of anchovies on it


Mmmmmm Love the anchovies, but I am the only one in the house who does.

And good morning to all! Second cup of coffee time.

691 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:41:04am

re: #675 JCM

I wonder if the poor smuck who wrote that letter knows how much fun we've had with it?

He's the anti-Honco. We are proud honcos!

692 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:41:21am

re: #680 FrogMarch

it is a disease with no cure....you pin it down and it morphs into another reality

693 notutopia  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:41:38am

re: #689 JCM

$787,000,000,000
142,000,000 employed according to the Jan. numbers.
95% will benefit from stimulus. That leaves 5% to pay for it.
7,100,000 working folks get to pay for stimulus.

$787,000,000,000
÷ 7,100,000
---------------------
$110,845.07 each for those who pay....

A BIG UGGGH!

694 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:41:48am

re: #684 Fenway_Nation

Socks is rolling over in his grave...

Poor socks. I hope he (she?) had a good life despite Bill and Hillary's selfishness.

695 JCM  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:41:54am

re: #681 albusteve

Swaggart on the Beatles:

"You boys and girls that have Beatle records at home, this is the most rotten, dirty, damnable, filthy, putrid filth that this nation or the world has ever known. And you parents that would allow this filth to be in your home, you ought to be taken out somewhere and horsewhipped, you hear me. And I mean it, my friend".

obviously he was unfamiliar with the Stones at the time....what a rube

It's the Devil's Music!
//

696 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:43:30am

re: #686 opnion

He should have been an Imam.

he is isn't he?....what else to you call it?
Jimmy the Imam...perched on his Holy Throne

697 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:43:59am
Swaggart on the Beatles:

"You boys and girls that have Beatle records at home, this is the most rotten, dirty, damnable, filthy, putrid filth that this nation or the world has ever known. And you parents that would allow this filth to be in your home, you ought to be taken out somewhere and horsewhipped, you hear me. And I mean it, my friend".

Just more evidence to me of what an asshole Swaggart was.

698 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:44:35am

re: #689 JCM

$787,000,000,000
142,000,000 employed according to the Jan. numbers.
95% will benefit from stimulus. That leaves 5% to pay for it.
7,100,000 working folks get to pay for stimulus.

$787,000,000,000
÷ 7,100,000
---------------------
$110,845.07 each for those who pay....

Considering my retire nest egg has just been eaten up by George Soros, I
cannot afford that.

maybe that $13 bucks a week that 95% of us will be getting soon will help.

699 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:44:42am

There is a financial guy on CNN right now defending the bail out.
He said that people that signed Adjustable Mortgages had no idea the they would adjust 2% per year.
Say what?

700 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:45:10am

re: #661 realwest

Suppose the owner wanted to move into his/her/their house Mandy? It doesn't matter if they live there; they own it and presumably pay taxes (and hopefully insurance) on the property it's theirs to occupy when they feel like it.
What's the PD gonna do?

As I said, I don't see ACORN breaking into occupied houses.

The most the PD can do is investigate the crime after it happens.

701 JCM  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:45:28am

re: #693 notutopia

A BIG UGGGH!

WOOT! I'm just short of the top 5% when do I get my unicorn!

*spit*

702 SurferDoc  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:45:47am

re: #676 nyc redneck

i'm going to be asking all the libs i know to tell me abt. the marches and protests they have lined up for this troop surge of 17000. it is going to be interesting to see how many of these anti-war crusaders make excuses for this "good war" or even endorse it.
i will be revisiting their favorite slogan, "war is NOT the answer"
and see how they justify it all of a sudden.

Their essential dishonesty will show through loud and clear. Few will notice.

703 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:45:53am

re: #696 albusteve

he is isn't he?....what else to you call it?
Jimmy the Imam...perched on his Holy Throne

The man's hypocricy was freaking breath taking.

704 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:46:07am

re: #666 Last Mohican
Nope, the owner of the house is an individual who either bought the house at foreclosure or before it was foreclosed upon - see Mandy's link at #646 above.

What someone ought to be asking Obama is this: If her (the prior owner's) mortgage payment was $1995 a month, and her income $2200 a month, why did the bank make that loan? Was it the Community Reinvestment Act ( a DEMOCRAT Party law that fines - heavily - lenders who don't make approximately 1/3 of all their loans to people who are not credit worth or have no credit history at all)?
And while they're at it they ought to ask the bank WTF it was doing loaning that much money to someone who clearly couldn't afford the house in the first place if it wasn't to comply with CRA?

SOMTHING is genuinely FUCKED UP when folks who work hard and sweat to make ends meet suddenly are faced with paying someone else's mortgage as well as meeting their own expenses.
There is gonna be a HUGE blowback at the Democrat Party for this once the public understands this aspect of the "Stimulus Bill".

705 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:46:17am

re: #694 FrogMarch

Poor socks. I hope he (she?) had a good life despite Bill and Hillary's selfishness.

i can't see hillary ever petting a cat or a dog.
she has no warmth and she is too calculating.
cats and dogs don't play into her hunger for power.

706 Irish Rose  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:46:37am
707 VioletTiger  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:46:40am

re: #689 JCM

$787,000,000,000
142,000,000 employed according to the Jan. numbers.
95% will benefit from stimulus. That leaves 5% to pay for it.
7,100,000 working folks get to pay for stimulus.

$787,000,000,000
÷ 7,100,000
---------------------
$110,845.07 each for those who pay....


Oh geez.
Now I need some Bailey's in the coffee.

708 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:46:47am

re: #666 Last Mohican

The owner of the foreclosed house in Baltimore is presumably the bank, right? I don't think it's worth the lawyer fees for a bank to sue ACORN. I think sometimes they don't even bother to foreclose. Plus, this being Baltimore, a lawsuit would probably just trigger a wave of bad publicity for the bank. Al Sharpton would come in and mobilize people to start trashing the bank's branches. That sort of thing.

According to the story, the owner of the house is a man named William Lane.

709 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:47:21am
710 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:47:41am

re: #671 Lincolntf

Not yet, But it only takes a small leap of conjecture to picture a case where an occupied building (perhaps a Korean Deli or the like) is essentially occupied by intimidation, forcing the legitimate owners out to be replaced by Acorn-approved "community members".
I put nothing past these power-mad thugs.

Then the police will do their job. I don't see ACORN taking on a police department.

711 vxbush  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:47:48am

re: #685 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hi!
Hope you're feeling a lot better than a few days ago!

Yes, I do, for the most part. Thanks for remember--that's sweet. Right now, not much can be wrong, as my cat is curled up in my lap and quite content.

712 JCM  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:48:18am

re: #698 FrogMarch

Considering my retire nest egg has just been eaten up by George Soros, I
cannot afford that.

maybe that $13 bucks a week that 95% of us will be getting soon will help.

Then when start adding in financing etc... it hit what is it $3,000,000,000,000?

And The One is already talking more stimulus.

If I had a time machine I would not go back in time and shoot Hitler, I'm thinking Kenynes.
//

713 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:48:18am

re: #674 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'd like to know what her monthly income was in 2001, when she took out the loan to buy the house.

I wouldn't be suprised if it was what it is now.

714 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:48:38am

re: #705 nyc redneck

i can't see hillary ever petting a cat or a dog.
she has no warmth and she is too calculating.
cats and dogs don't play into her hunger for power.

They gave Socks to Betty Curry when the left the White House.
You do not raise an animal from kitten or puppy & give it up unless you have to.

715 Athens Runaway  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:48:54am

Is it just me or does anyone else feel like Gulliver in Gulliver's Travels, after he returned from living with the Houyhnhnms and is back in England? Can barely stand to be out in the world, because of the all blanant stupidity you see around. My Democrat friend was teasing me about how the only news I consumed was Fox News and blogs, and I had to explain to him that I used to be a CNN guy until they swallowed the Sarah Palin fake baby pill along with everyone else. Fox News was the only outlet not buying what Kos had to say, and the only network using common sense. That soured me a lot on what passes for news around here.

I have been feeling really pessimistic about the future. You just KNOW that Bush is going to get trotted out as the Cause For All Evil, just as he did for the last three election cycles. My Dem friend tried to sell me on the idea that Ohio (my state) was now a blue state, because it voted for a moderate-ish Democratic governor in '06, and for Obumbler in '08. He's also convinced that this year is the Year That the Oakland Raiders Win, so take that into account.

Sorry for the rant, can I get a fruit cup handout?

716 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:49:22am

re: #703 opnion

The man's hypocricy was freaking breath taking.

I wonder what God has to say about the Holy Trumpet of Rightousness....a guy sings I wanna hold your hand and he's called damned putid filth...nice

717 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:49:46am

re: #699 opnion

There is a financial guy on CNN right now defending the bail out.
He said that people that signed Adjustable Mortgages had no idea the they would adjust 2% per year.
Say what?

* * *
Yes, deal with it. We've got massive math illiteracy in our nation. Hope & Change will pay your interest off.

When you mandate--like the Democrats did beginning in the Carter Era--that banks "give" mortgages to barely literate people with little or no mathematics background, you get disaster.

718 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:50:23am

re: #705 nyc redneck

That's why Socks spent the last eight years with the Clinton's former secretary.

I remember a political Cartoon shortly after Bill got Buddy the dog. It showed him all happy and petting his new dog and saying 'Finally! A Friend of mine who won't be subpeonaed!'

719 VioletTiger  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:50:31am

re: #646 MandyManners

The ACORN story.

[Link: www.abc2news.com...]

Holy crap. This makes my blood boil. How the hell did these idiots get these loan?

720 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:50:55am

re: #678 opnion

Mandy, I caught Carville's & Matlin's schtick some years back at a Trade Show in DC.
They of course were compensated for showing up. All they did is schill a new book by Carville. To me it was painful & I wondered if either one believed anything

Maybe they both believe in the almighty dollar.

721 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:51:04am

re: #701 JCM

I'm gonna take a shot at getting part of the wacko-left's stimulus package.
I'm writing a grant proposal ... in the field of psychological electronics.

If a blown op-amp's output goes to the negative rail, does that indicate damage to its self-esteem?

722 VioletTiger  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:51:41am

re: #711 vxbush

Cats can cure much with just a purr.

723 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:52:04am

re: #679 albusteve

he should do something...he's been used by ACORN and has an obligation to himself to move legally against them...imo

He might have a moral obligation but, it's up to him to decide if he wants to take them on. I wish there was a conservative legal fund to take this on.

724 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:52:19am

re: #704 realwest

We weren't told, in the article, what her income was when she took out the loan in 2001.

725 Athens Runaway  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:52:22am
726 notutopia  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:52:32am

re: #701 JCM

WOOT! I'm just short of the top 5% when do I get my unicorn!

*spit*

I just got my retirement portfolio in the mail yesterday.
I try not to look at it more often than monthly since the market has folded on itself. It just makes me ill.
Our household has lost one half of our retirement investments.
50% in the last year! That's 15 years of our work. Down the market drain. This, after we discussed seriously pulling out the market until it restabilized, two years ago. If we had withdrawn those funds, we still would have had to pay early withdrawal penalties and tax, so all in all, I guess we really no richer and also no poorer. Someone else has benefited from the market downfall...not us.

727 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:52:39am

re: #716 albusteve

I wonder what God has to say about the Holy Trumpet of Rightousness....a guy sings I wanna hold your hand and he's called damned putid filth...nice

True , "I wanna hold your hand", pretty innocent. Now Emmem wants kill her & put her in a trunk.

728 JCM  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:52:45am

re: #709 ploome hineni

the problem with people like Swaggart and his ilk,is their primitive ignorance

they are selling magic with the force of their personality

their methods also seduce the dreamers

Ignorance is right, start with ignorance of the Bible they attempt to teach. And in their ignorance do far more damage to both believers and non-believers than their attempts at good.

729 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:53:15am

re: #709 ploome hineni

the problem with people like Swaggart and his ilk,is their primitive ignorance

they are selling magic with the force of their personality

their methods also seduce the dreamers

* * *
Swaggart was in the business of selling Hope & Change; be glad he didn't run & get elected President of the USA.

730 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:53:32am

re: #720 MandyManners

Maybe they both believe in the almighty dollar.

That was painfully obvious. They were not recieved very well.

731 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:53:35am

re: #715 Athens Runaway

can I get a fruit cup handout?

It's gone.

*burp*

732 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:53:58am

re: #700 MandyManners
Mandy - "The most the PD can do is investigate the crime after it happens."
Well maybe they could start with good ole "After snapping a lock with bolt cutters, ACORN member Louis Beverly told supporters 'this is our house now.'"
And after they investigate what then - do they arrest him for breaking and entering? That's a felony in most jurisdictions and it doesn't matter if you're living there or not.

733 vxbush  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:53:59am

Okay. Apparently the brain isn't in gear yet, or the cat has made my brain turn to mush. PIMF: remember -> remembering in my last post.

I have to say, I liked Socks. I like any cat who has white paws like that. It's adorable.

I'm just glad to have a day off and rest. I can't seem to get any ire up over the insanity going on right now.

734 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:54:05am

re: #705 nyc redneck

i can't see hillary ever petting a cat or a dog.
she has no warmth and she is too calculating.
cats and dogs don't play into her hunger for power.

Well, we really have no way of knowing. I just hope Socks wasn't just a prop.
Hillary does seem like a cold fish.

735 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:54:20am

re: #719 VioletTiger

Holy crap. This makes my blood boil. How the hell did these idiots get these loan?

Community Reinvestment Act.

736 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:54:21am

re: #719 VioletTiger

Holy crap. This makes my blood boil. How the hell did these idiots get these loan?

This looks like an interesting idea. Can we do this with the guy in the Whitehouse?

737 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:54:23am

re: #702 SurferDoc

Their essential dishonesty will show through loud and clear. Few will notice.

i agree. i can see their faces now.
this is a perfect opportunity to force the issue.
if even one of them maintains their "anti-war" stance i'll be shocked.
i'm going to bring this up to all the libs i encounter.

738 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:54:29am
739 vxbush  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:54:53am

re: #722 VioletTiger

Cats can cure much with just a purr.

Heh. Yup.

[snuggling]

740 n in wi  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:55:35am

re: #704 realwest

I think the peasants are starting to take up their pitchforks.
You can get support damning the evil rich wall street type,but when O starts to tell Joe 6pack,that has done things right,and lived within his means,and payed his mortgage,that now he will be taxed to pay the mortgage of someone that should not have been giving the loan in the first place,a lot of people are going to see that it's not what "Change"
they voted for.

741 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:55:49am

re: #732 realwest

Mandy - "The most the PD can do is investigate the crime after it happens."
Well maybe they could start with good ole "After snapping a lock with bolt cutters, ACORN member Louis Beverly told supporters 'this is our house now.'"
And after they investigate what then - do they arrest him for breaking and entering? That's a felony in most jurisdictions and it doesn't matter if you're living there or not.

I cannot fathom the police not making arrests in this case.

742 JCM  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:55:58am
743 rightymouse  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:56:32am

re: #705 nyc redneck

i can't see hillary ever petting a cat or a dog.
she has no warmth and she is too calculating.
cats and dogs don't play into her hunger for power.


Our animals pile on our bed at night, especially during the winter. I don't see that happening with her either.

744 opnion  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:56:38am

re: #717 alegrias

* * *
Yes, deal with it. We've got massive math illiteracy in our nation. Hope & Change will pay your interest off.

When you mandate--like the Democrats did beginning in the Carter Era--that banks "give" mortgages to barely literate people with little or no mathematics background, you get disaster.


Adjustable mortgages adjust! Who Knew?
Off to clear the driveway, I have a basketball game to watch.

745 VioletTiger  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:56:59am

re: #726 notutopia
We've lost half of our daughter's college savings. Haven't even looked at the retirement investments. I just hand the envelope to my husband.

746 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:57:01am

re: #741 MandyManners

I cannot fathom the police not making arrests in this case.

Why? They were community activists, not criminals.
/

747 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:57:04am

re: #719 VioletTiger
Please see my #704 above.

748 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:57:08am

As if we need more info about Bill Moyers' objectiveness:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

/

749 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:57:32am

re: #732 realwest

"After snapping a lock with bolt cutters, ACORN member Louis Beverly told supporters 'this is our house now.'"

I have several friends back in Boston that for a few bucks and a six pack would walk into Mr Beverlys houes and declare "this is our house now!".

750 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:57:55am

re: #740 n in wi

I think the peasants are starting to take up their pitchforks.
You can get support damning the evil rich wall street type,but when O starts to tell Joe 6pack,that has done things right,and lived within his means,and payed his mortgage,that now he will be taxed to pay the mortgage of someone that should not have been giving the loan in the first place,a lot of people are going to see that it's not what "Change"
they voted for.

Joe and Jane Six Pack are probably too busy trying to keep above water to take up pitchforks.

751 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:58:00am

re: #704 realwest

There is gonna be a HUGE blowback at the Democrat Party for this once the public understands this aspect of the "Stimulus Bill".

All the more reason for CNN, MSNBC and the New York Times to sugar-coat it. They're gonna trot out every 'economist' who's in favor of the bill and crap all over anyone who has any misgivings.

If the economy shows even the slightest turnaround between now and 2010, it's all thanks to the stimulus bill.

If the economy continues circling the drain, that's only because the stimulus bill hasn't 'been given enough time to take effect'.

Even if you're the biggest fuck-up at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, nobody will notice as long as your leg-tingling pals in the MSM have your back...

752 JCM  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:58:01am

re: #746 Walter L. Newton

Why? They were community activists, not criminals.
/

The Community Activist In Chief has granted them immunity?
//////////

753 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:58:33am

re: #746 Walter L. Newton

Why? They were community activists, not criminals.
/

Did you read the article? The police are treating this as a crime scene.

754 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:59:11am

re: #749 sattv4u2

"After snapping a lock with bolt cutters, ACORN member Louis Beverly told supporters 'this is our house now.'"

I have several friends back in Boston that for a few bucks and a six pack would walk into Mr Beverlys houes and declare "this is our house now!".

And, they'd be arrested.

755 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:59:12am

re: #712 JCM

Then when start adding in financing etc... it hit what is it $3,000,000,000,000?

And The One is already talking more stimulus.

If I had a time machine I would not go back in time and shoot Hitler, I'm thinking Kenynes.
//

Indeed. This whole nightmare is a huge set-up so the government can take over.

756 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:59:43am

re: #753 MandyManners

Did you read the article? The police are treating this as a crime scene.

Did you read my snark slash.

757 n in wi  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 7:59:55am

re: #715 Athens Runaway

"this year is the Year That the Oakland Raiders Win,"
I suppose they will be playing the Detroit Lions in the Super Bowl

758 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:00:04am

re: #732 realwest

Mandy - "The most the PD can do is investigate the crime after it happens."
Well maybe they could start with good ole "After snapping a lock with bolt cutters, ACORN member Louis Beverly told supporters 'this is our house now.'"
And after they investigate what then - do they arrest him for breaking and entering? That's a felony in most jurisdictions and it doesn't matter if you're living there or not.

* * *
Hi Real Sir!

Your comment gave me a flashback to when the communists came back to Spain & campaigned by going to neighborhoods & knocking on house doors threatening "this is going to be our house" when they won. (This was after Generalisimo Franco's death in 1975; former communists who'd lived in the USSR & eurocommunists came back to Spain to bring "change"/revolucion Spain had rejected during the Spanish Civil War.)

759 VioletTiger  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:00:06am

re: #736 Walter L. Newton

This looks like an interesting idea. Can we do this with the guy in the Whitehouse?

You mean we should evict the occupant?
/

760 rightymouse  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:00:26am

re: #735 MandyManners

Community Reinvestment Act.


And Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac who lured banks into doing this by buying up crappy loans so as to 'reduce' the risk to banks.

We have one mortgage company here who is not in trouble. Why? They didn't write CRA motivated loans.

761 phoenixgirl  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:00:56am

re: #689 JCM

$787,000,000,000
142,000,000 employed according to the Jan. numbers.
95% will benefit from stimulus. That leaves 5% to pay for it.
7,100,000 working folks get to pay for stimulus.

$787,000,000,000
÷ 7,100,000
---------------------
$110,845.07 each for those who pay....

your figures are even more depressing but you forgot the interest that we have to pay on it .....don't bother calculating, we are screwed

762 n in wi  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:01:07am

re: #743 rightymouse

Our animals pile on our bed at night, especially during the winter. I don't see that happening with her either.

Bill may like animals piling on the bed

763 notutopia  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:01:10am

re: #738 ploome hineni

ploome, what really upsets me, is that on top of losing 50% of our retirement funds, now they want us to fork up more of our take home as well. We'll never recoop those loses in our lifetime left on this earth. Hubby is 4 years away from true retirement.
Best laid plans..kaploey !

764 JCM  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:01:14am

re: #755 FrogMarch

Indeed. This whole nightmare is a huge set-up so the government can take over.

When it comes crashing down, it will be an opportunity of restoration of the Republic.

765 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:01:16am

"Amnesty International and a pro-Tibet group voiced shock Friday after US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton vowed not to let human rights concerns hinder cooperation with China."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Why is it that leftists are always surprised when their leftist leaders start acting like, well, leftist?

766 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:01:37am

re: #750 MandyManners

Joe and Jane Six Pack are probably too busy trying to keep above water to take up pitchforks.


somebody is getting pissy...
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

767 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:01:56am

re: #724 pre-Boomer Marine brat She was loaned x dollars to buy the house in 2001. She promised to pay that debt and pledged her house as security. She didn't pay the debt, so she loses the house she put up as security. If we don't enforce those laws, then we can't bitch about banks going under or needing federal assistance or refusing to loan mortgage money again.
Funny, my Dad worked two jobs for about six years just so we could afford the mortgage payments, the car and gasoline, utiliities, FOOD, medical attention,
and all the rest.
His best friend lost his job and lost his house in foreclosure. But there was no ACORN for him. He was held to a level of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY that ACORN and Obama don't believe in.

768 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:02:26am

re: #754 MandyManners

And, they'd be arrested.

not THESE types of guys. They're the type that are ,,, ummm,,, professional. Leave no marks ,,, leave no trail ,,,,,leave no witnesses!

769 burntjohn  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:02:32am

3 Books
Obamanomics by John Talbott

Saving the World at Work by Tim Sanders

A Declaration of Energy Independence by Jay Hakes

and several others push one very sick idea

Global warming and carbon emissions are caused by too many people on the planet.
It would be smart to introduce emphasis on reducing the planets population.

This idea has been pushed forward in many books.

Scary stuff

770 VioletTiger  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:02:37am

re: #747 realwest

Please see my #704 above.

My husband and I discussed this over coffee this morning. I think the inevitable failure of the porkulus will help in the 2010 elections. People are starting to realize that they are getting screwed.

771 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:02:52am

re: #737 nyc redneck

i agree. i can see their faces now.
this is a perfect opportunity to force the issue.
if even one of them maintains their "anti-war" stance i'll be shocked.
i'm going to bring this up to all the libs i encounter.

* * * *
Great strategy. Thank you for the courage of your convictions, and for asking your liberal friends & family to face the cognitive dissonance of their Dear Leader's flip flops.

772 notutopia  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:02:54am

re: #745 VioletTiger

We've lost half of our daughter's college savings. Haven't even looked at the retirement investments. I just hand the envelope to my husband.

Anyone know How many more banks the Feds closed yesterday?

773 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:02:59am

re: #756 Walter L. Newton

Did you read my snark slash.

Oops! Sorry about that.

774 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:03:07am

re: #768 sattv4u2

not THESE types of guys. They're the type that are ,,, ummm,,, professional. Leave no marks ,,, leave no trail ,,,,,leave no witnesses!

oh , just in case anybody needed it

///

775 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:03:28am

re: #755 FrogMarch

Indeed. This whole nightmare is a huge set-up so the government can take over.

of course....I think alot of people simply deny what seems obvious...it is epic eh?

776 rightymouse  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:03:34am

re: #762 n in wi

Bill may like animals piling on the bed

Yeah...thought of that. But I doubt Hillary would be there at the same time. :)

777 Athens Runaway  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:03:42am

re: #751 Fenway_Nation

All the more reason for CNN, MSNBC and the New York Times to sugar-coat it. They're gonna trot out every 'economist' who's in favor of the bill and crap all over anyone who has any misgivings.

I helped organize an informational debate between two professors here at Ohio U, with the topic being the stimulus package. It was somewhat academic, since the bill had been passed, but over 100 people showed up, and it was really entertaining. I had no trouble finding an economist who was against the stimulus, but I had the hardest time finding someone to support it. One of the people I contacted said (paraphrasing) "you are not going to find anyone in the economics department who supports this thing".

At one of the most liberal universities in the Midwest, no economists were up the challenge of backing Spendulusaurus Rex up with "facts".

778 JCM  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:03:44am

re: #766 albusteve

somebody is getting pissy...
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

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779 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:04:05am

re: #760 rightymouse

And Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac who lured banks into doing this by buying up crappy loans so as to 'reduce' the risk to banks.

We have one mortgage company here who is not in trouble. Why? They didn't write CRA motivated loans.

The Feds didn't harass that company?

780 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:04:07am

re: #767 realwest

Having owned 3 homes, I understand, and agree.
I was making a "technicality" point up-thread. Just wondering.

781 realwest  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:04:50am

Sorry y'all I gotta run and do some chores. Hope I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Have a great day!

782 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:05:27am

re: #752 JCM

The Community Activist In Chief has granted them immunity?
//////////

* * **
Immunity! I believe ACORN's getting BILLIONS in stimulus.

783 notutopia  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:05:57am

Yep!

U.S. regulators close Oregon's Silver Falls Bank
[Link: uk.reuters.com...]

784 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:06:20am

re: #766 albusteve

somebody is getting pissy...
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Seattle on Monday. Denver on Tuesday. Mesa AZ on Wednesday. Overland Park, Kansas today. What a week, huh? We got the anti-stimulus, anti-entitlement protest ball rolling — and now the movement, spurred further by CNBC host Rick Santelli’s call for a “Chicago Tea Party,” is really taking off.

David Hogberg at Investor’s Business Daily has a nice piece out today spotlighting the growing taxpayer revolt the rest of the MSM won’t cover. He interviewed our registered commenters Liberty Belle Keli Carender, who spearheaded the Seattle anti-pork protest, and HuskerGirl Amanda Grosserode, who organized today’s anti-stimulus demonstration against Democrat Rep. Dennis Moore in Overland Park, MS.

I’m happy to report on several new protest events now on the docket.

My friend Michael Patrick Leahy of Top Conservatives on Twitter and his crew are spearheading “simultaneous local tea parties around the country, beginning in Chicago, and including Washington DC, Fayetteville NC, San Diego CA, Omaha Nebraska, and dozens of other locations” for next Friday.

The MFM are gonna' be shocked when it grows to such a large issue that they cannot ignore it.

785 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:06:22am
786 Timbre  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:06:47am

Good Saturday morning, lizards. Never been here on a Saturday morning 'cause I'm always at work. So if you see a "plunk" on the screen, it's because my nose fell off and struck the keyboard. (Sick).

787 vxbush  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:07:05am

re: #765 Walter L. Newton

"Amnesty International and a pro-Tibet group voiced shock Friday after US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton vowed not to let human rights concerns hinder cooperation with China."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Why is it that leftists are always surprised when their leftist leaders start acting like, well, leftist?

Not all human rights activists are leftists. Most may be, perhaps, but there are some that are center or right of center.

788 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:07:06am

re: #761 phoenixgirl

your figures are even more depressing but you forgot the interest that we have to pay on it .....don't bother calculating, we are screwed

They took out any money for E-verify, so, you can be sure were most of the jobs will be going to. As it is, most of the jobs are construction, which is fine for construction workers, except, it's only the contractors and the illegal's that will be getting the lion share of the work.

If this bell was in any way really for the sake of the country, and not big business and special interest, the would be previsions with in the stimulus to make sure the money is legally spent to help Americans.

And PLEASE, my comment is not about immigration, it's about anyone who is not legally situated to work in this country, period.

789 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:07:24am

re: #768 sattv4u2

not THESE types of guys. They're the type that are ,,, ummm,,, professional. Leave no marks ,,, leave no trail ,,,,,leave no witnesses!

I would hold them in the same contempt I would hold the ACORN criminals. Sorry but, wrong is wrong.

790 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:07:38am

re: #782 alegrias

* * **
Immunity! I believe ACORN's getting BILLIONS in stimulus.


underwriting a criminal enterprise...and I'm not in the least surprised...
I hate the feds

791 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:08:02am

re: #762 n in wi

Bill may like animals piling on the bed

* * *
Bill Clinton let animals like Arafat pile up in the Lincoln Bedroom for 8 years straight. Meow, the cat fights--scratches on the furniture were blamed on poor Socks.

Now John Kerry's inviting Hamas to sleepover in the Lincoln Bedroom!

792 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:08:23am

re: #778 JCM

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more here:
How to organize your own "tea party" protest..

793 Athens Runaway  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:08:44am

re: #757 n in wi

"this year is the Year That the Oakland Raiders Win,"
I suppose they will be playing the Detroit Lions in the Super Bowl

I don't pretend to know how my friend thinks. Being a [Raiders/Bengals/Browns] fan must be like being a battered wife. He did vote for Obumbler because he assumed that O would reform education into a working system, as opposed to the unionocracy it is now.

I can't understand that kind of mindset, being sure that things will change if he just votes Democratic ONE MORE TIME.

794 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:09:27am

re: #784 MandyManners

and Malkin is on it like a pit bull...and she has some mojo

795 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:09:49am

re: #771 alegrias

* * * *
Great strategy. Thank you for the courage of your convictions, and for asking your liberal friends & family to face the cognitive dissonance of their Dear Leader's flip flops.

LOL,
it will be enjoyable to make them squirm.

796 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:10:07am

re: #789 MandyManners

I would hold them in the same contempt I would hold the ACORN criminals. Sorry but, wrong is wrong.

it was a joke Mandy, sorry. Just rtying to lighten up the convo. It;s Saturday and way too nice a day to be mired into Swaggart/ Stimulus / Gloom and Doom
my bad

797 notutopia  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:10:29am

re: #785 ploome hineni

Dow falls below 8,600 for first time since 2003 - on the 1-year anniversary of its all-time high.

it took 6 yrs to rebound after 2003..look on the bright side

it should come back

Wouda, Coulda, Shoulda.

798 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:10:37am

re: #764 JCM

When it comes crashing down, it will be an opportunity of restoration of the Republic.

* * *
Lizards can't wait and do nothing!

NOW is the time to strike in Illinois. Please work to get Mark Kirk (R) elected Senator there, when Roland Burris is thrown under the bus shortly.

Teddy Kennedy's ill, don't let his wife Victoria take over his Massachusetts senate seat.

799 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:10:39am

re: #778 JCM

TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY! TEA PARTY!

There it goes, once again I'm the bastard step child ghost writer for the movement. I've been tagging some of my comments here for 6 MONTHS with "Your tea is in the harbor, sir"

If anyone wants to send pity money for a donation, click on my name, get my email and deposit 5 dollars in Paypal for me.

:)

800 Timbre  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:10:57am

re: #790 albusteve

underwriting a criminal enterprise...and I'm not in the least surprised...
I hate the feds

You wouldn't hate me, Albusteve. Unless it's out of principle. Besides, I have relatives in Albuquerque; up on the hill west of town, by the Fire Station overlooking the whole valley.

801 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:11:25am

re: #766 albusteve

somebody is getting pissy...
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

I saw that. Lots of good parodies there, many worthy of our own Buzzsawmonkey. I rather liked the "American Pie" one.

802 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:12:05am

re: #794 albusteve

and Malkin is on it like a pit bull...and she has some mojo

One of the reasons Alex Jones hates her.

803 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:12:07am

re: #800 Timbre

You wouldn't hate me, Albusteve. Unless it's out of principle. Besides, I have relatives in Albuquerque; up on the hill west of town, by the Fire Station overlooking the whole valley.

STEVE, quick run.... they're on to ya!

804 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:12:10am

re: #792 FrogMarch

nice catch, thanks...I booked it just in case I start feeling my oats again...revolution is in my blood

805 pingjockey  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:12:33am

Jimmy would've been happier playing music with his cousin.....Jerry Lee Lewis.

806 vxbush  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:12:35am

By the way: Obama has a clear record of not paying his own bills:

$1.74 million deadbeats of the day: Obama and the DNC

By Michelle Malkin • February 20, 2009 08:41 AM

“Shared sacrifice” apparently means shafting your hometown and letting your victory day celebration bills go unpaid. What happened to “We must all pay?”

The deadbeat fish rots from the head down. Via Sun-Times:
Chicago has yet to recoup the $1.74 million cost of President Obama’s victory celebration in Grant Park — despite a burgeoning $50.5 million budget shortfall that threatens more layoffs and union concessions.

And.....

Philly to Obama: Hey, you owe us money, too!
By Michelle Malkin • February 20, 2009 03:58 PM

This morning, I mentioned Team Obama/DNC’s unpaid bills in Chicago.
Guess what? The Team of Deadbeats owes the City of Brotherly Love, too (hat tip -David R):

BARACK OBAMA spent a record $760 million getting himself elected president. But his campaign, Obama for America, still owes Philadelphia nearly $24,000 for several pre-election events, and the cash-strapped city hasn’t given up its collection efforts.
807 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:12:37am

re: #796 sattv4u2

it was a joke Mandy, sorry. Just rtying to lighten up the convo. It;s Saturday and way too nice a day to be mired into Swaggart/ Stimulus / Gloom and Doom
my bad

Oh. Okay.

808 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:13:25am

re: #807 MandyManners

Oh. Okay.

Mandy, do you need a hug this morning {MANDY}.

809 [deleted]  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:13:36am
810 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:13:39am

re: #805 pingjockey

Jimmy would've been happier playing music with his cousin.....Jerry Lee Lewis.

Why,, did Jimmy want to marry his 13 year old cousion also?

811 JCM  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:14:09am

re: #780 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Having owned 3 homes, I understand, and agree.
I was making a "technicality" point up-thread. Just wondering.

Not only did government push banks into the sub-prime market, and borrowers get stars in their eyes. Banks were reckless in lending practices. And not just for mortgages. When looking at various ways of financing my van, on bank offered me $120,000 max for an auto loan. It was just insane.

812 pingjockey  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:14:13am

re: #810 sattv4u2
Heh!

813 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:14:16am

re: #810 sattv4u2

Why,, did Jimmy want to marry his 13 year old cousion also?

(long shift?)

814 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:14:18am

re: #806 vxbush

By the way: Obama has a clear record of not paying his own bills:

I really hope that the American tax payers don't wind up paying for his shindig.

815 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:14:40am

re: #813 Walter L. Newton

(long shift?)

short sheets!

816 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:14:44am

re: #808 Walter L. Newton

Mandy, do you need a hug this morning {MANDY}.

Why, thank you!

((((((Walter))))))

817 nyc redneck  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:14:46am

re: #805 pingjockey

Jimmy would've been happier playing music with his cousin.....Jerry Lee Lewis.

wasn't mickey gilley also their cousin?
iirc, they all spent a lot of time as boys, at their gramma's playing music.

818 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:15:21am

re: #800 Timbre

You wouldn't hate me, Albusteve. Unless it's out of principle. Besides, I have relatives in Albuquerque; up on the hill west of town, by the Fire Station overlooking the whole valley.

of course not...not unless you are a govt gangster bent on my ruination

819 gregg  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:15:30am

If anyone here has HBO, Taking Chance premiers this evening. For those not familiar with the story, here's the post from a few years ago on Blackfive about Marine Lieutenant Colonel Strobl's account of escorting the remains of Lance Corporal Chance Phelps. I'd recommend grabbing some tissues before reading the story (or watching the trailer).

820 pingjockey  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:15:36am

re: #814 MandyManners
You can bet obambi ain't gonna pay for it, he's entitled to whatever he and the donks can steal.

821 Timbre  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:15:44am

re: #803 Walter L. Newton

STEVE, quick run.... they're on to ya!

No, I mean real relatives; in-laws. But that was funny :)

822 rightymouse  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:16:11am

re: #779 MandyManners

The Feds didn't harass that company?


Have no idea if the Feds ever harassed them. This is a Savings and Loan and I checked their website - they still be humming along.

My mortgage is through a large bank that was bought out last year. Had to go through hell and mountains of paperwork/documentation to prove ability to pay. Plus, had to put 20% down to avoid PMI.

823 n in wi  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:16:25am

re: #793 Athens Runaway

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I can't understand that kind of mindset, being sure that things will change if he just votes Democratic ONE MORE TIME.


I don't get the mindset of the Libs that run for office. From Obama to Kerry and so on. They seem to think that they have the personality to make collectivism work,along with negotiations with evil.
Dangerously arrogant,demonstrably failures.

824 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:16:29am

re: #816 MandyManners

Why, thank you!

((((((Walter))))))

I tried those "{}" bracket's multiple times around your name, but Charles' software parsed them out. And, I think I know why, it just accorded to me while I was typing this.

Never mind.

But anyway, I meant a big hug (((((MANDY)))))

825 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:16:54am

re: #821 Timbre

No, I mean real relatives; in-laws. But that was funny :)

You do know the difference betwen IN LAWS and OUTLAWS, don';t you?

OUTLAWS are WANTED!

826 pingjockey  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:17:09am

re: #817 nyc redneck
I don't know if Mickey Gilly is another cousin or not. My mom would know, moms know lotsa stuff. Kind of like NCOs.

827 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:17:11am

re: #803 Walter L. Newton

STEVE, quick run.... they're on to ya!

to where?...ever been out here? :)

828 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:17:24am

re: #790 albusteve

underwriting a criminal enterprise...and I'm not in the least surprised...
I hate the feds

* * *
Albusteve,

SOME liberals now running the country, with 3 Senators named Specter, Snow & Collins, voted for this underwriting of ACORN and other criminal thuggish enterprises.

Please don't hate all federal people--Remember our troops are Government Issue (GIs), and they're the best among us. I support them all the way, with my tax dollars too.

829 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:17:51am

re: #827 albusteve

to where?...ever been out here? :)

I know, there's not even a kiva between you and town.

830 pingjockey  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:18:49am

re: #828 alegrias
The troops aren't the gov't. It's the hordes of faceless paper shufflers!

831 vxbush  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:19:11am

re: #814 MandyManners

I really hope that the American tax payers don't wind up paying for his shindig.

Oh, but I bet we will.....

832 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:19:11am

re: #820 pingjockey

You can bet obambi ain't gonna pay for it, he's entitled to whatever he and the donks can steal.

I can see Chicago letting him slide but, why would Philadelphia?

833 JCM  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:19:28am

We need a short, pithy phrase for the tea party to get on bumper stickers then put it at Cafepress.

No Tea Then!
No Stimulus Now!


*I suck at short pithy*

834 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:19:43am

re: #822 rightymouse

Have no idea if the Feds ever harassed them. This is a Savings and Loan and I checked their website - they still be humming along.

My mortgage is through a large bank that was bought out last year. Had to go through hell and mountains of paperwork/documentation to prove ability to pay. Plus, had to put 20% down to avoid PMI.

Is your bank solvent?

835 VioletTiger  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:20:27am

re: #806 vxbush
Why am I not surprised? Bet he expects a pass, or expects the Stimulus money funneled their way to make up for it.

836 pingjockey  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:20:34am

BBIAB, b-day party today. Have to go clean the bathroom. Of course after a horde of 8 and 9 year old boys get done, it'll look like its been taken to 10,000 feet and dropped!

837 Timbre  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:20:37am

re: #830 pingjockey

The troops aren't the gov't. It's the hordes of faceless paper shufflers!

I resemble that remark!

838 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:20:40am

bbiab

839 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:21:32am

re: #795 nyc redneck

LOL,
it will be enjoyable to make them squirm.

* * *
Ronald Reagan was a pro-union, union president and pro-New Dealer once.

Let's encourage our liberal friends gently to see WHO sold them a bridge to nowhere, fast. Will they be pissed when they confront reality.

John Kerry's the richest millionaire in the Senate, $300 million or so, earned selling out his country to his country's state enemies. This ought to piss someone off.

840 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:21:32am

re: #811 JCM

Not only did government push banks into the sub-prime market, and borrowers get stars in their eyes. Banks were reckless in lending practices. And not just for mortgages. When looking at various ways of financing my van, on bank offered me $120,000 max for an auto loan. It was just insane.

Incredible!
GAH!

841 pingjockey  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:21:39am

re: #832 MandyManners
What I meant was, Philly will holler and caterwaul and in the end will get nada, zilch, zip.

842 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:21:44am

re: #828 alegrias

* * *
Albusteve,

SOME liberals now running the country, with 3 Senators named Specter, Snow & Collins, voted for this underwriting of ACORN and other criminal thuggish enterprises.

Please don't hate all federal people--Remember our troops are Government Issue (GIs), and they're the best among us. I support them all the way, with my tax dollars too.

I don't hate all govt people...just the thieves and crooks and unholy gangsters that seem to hold the reins of power over me...policy makers and filthy deal cutters...political pimps and their whores...the ones that cut my throat and steal my money and fuck me stupid...you know the type

843 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:21:49am

re: #833 JCM

We need a short, pithy phrase for the tea party to get on bumper stickers then put it at Cafepress.

No Tea Then!
No Stimulus Now!

*I suck at short pithy*

I've been tagging some of my post with a nice pithy saying for months...

"Sir, your tea is in the harbor"

Use it, someone will.

844 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:22:37am

bbl

845 pingjockey  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:22:38am

re: #837 Timbre
Oops! Ah but you're a lizard, so you are exempt from that swipe!

846 VioletTiger  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:23:16am

re: #832 MandyManners

I think Philly is getting bunch o pork from the stimulus. Nutter was a Hillary supporter who went over to BHO pretty hard.

847 vxbush  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:23:17am

re: #835 VioletTiger

Why am I not surprised? Bet he expects a pass, or expects the Stimulus money funneled their way to make up for it.

No, I'm thinking that it will be part of a special bill to handle special cities who need additional help beyond the state stimulus measure. First we had the federal bill for general purpose Dem strongholds. Next will be a state-centered bill to help those states who are in the most desperate straits financially. Then, there will be a city bill, and that is when Chicago and Philly will get paid off.

848 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:23:44am

re: #400 Fenway_Nation

We Used to conduct Warren Robbins trainings for the Spec ops troops in a similar function the township Warren robbins participated not to the extent as in arcadia mostly just newsies and Law enforcement all though a rancher(not rancher just a random one) on the outskirts let us use his barns etc to conduct searches.

849 rightymouse  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:24:19am

re: #834 MandyManners

Is your bank solvent?

They are ok now that they were bought out - how long that will last, I have no idea.

Am going to Cancun next week with some of my 'ya-ya' gal pal network. One of them works for the bank. Haven't chatted with her for a while, so I can find out more poop then.

850 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:24:19am

re: #802 MandyManners

One of the reasons Alex Jones hates her.

One of the reasons I hate Alex Jones (the equal opportunity paranoid schizophrenic)

851 pingjockey  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:25:18am

re: #850 FrogMarch
Whom is Alex Jones? And, should I care? :)

852 JCM  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:25:50am

re: #843 Walter L. Newton

I've been tagging some of my post with a nice pithy saying for months...

"Sir, your tea is in the harbor"

Use it, someone will.

An image of Obama on the left end of the bumper sticker.....

Give me a few minutes.

853 reine.de.tout  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:26:02am

re: #711 vxbush

Yes, I do, for the most part. Thanks for remember--that's sweet. Right now, not much can be wrong, as my cat is curled up in my lap and quite content.


There are few things quite as satisfying as having a contented cat curled in your lap and purring.

854 Timbre  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:26:41am

re: #845 pingjockey

re: #845 pingjockey

We were told years ago we were going "paperless." Yeah, right. Now everything we do is paper and on computer! What a waste....

855 alegrias  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:27:06am

re: #830 pingjockey

The troops aren't the gov't. It's the hordes of faceless paper shufflers!

* * *
I will not tar all bureaucrats & public servants. God bless the Food & Drug Administration, Border Patrols, Coast Guard, etc.

Unfortunately, they also serve, who Facebook & Twitter & Community Organize for Obama.

856 pingjockey  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:27:10am

re: #853 reine.de.tout
A puppy next to you napping is good too.

857 rightymouse  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:27:10am

re: #836 pingjockey

BBIAB, b-day party today. Have to go clean the bathroom. Of course after a horde of 8 and 9 year old boys get done, it'll look like its been taken to 10,000 feet and dropped!

After raising 4 boys (one still at home), plus spouse, I gave up cleaning bathrooms. My BP went wayyyyyyyyyyy down once he agreed to hiring cleaning help once a week.

Having a sign in the bathrooms "I am to please, you aim too, please", never worked.

858 Bloodnok  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:28:05am

re: #854 Timbre

re: #845 pingjockey

We were told years ago we were going "paperless." Yeah, right. Now everything we do is paper and on computer! What a waste....

Save the Bandwidth!

/computer-hugger

859 Teacake!  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:28:21am

Alex Jones is a total wackjob which is unfortunate in case any of his investigations might be true.

860 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:28:26am

re: #851 pingjockey

Whom is Alex Jones? And, should I care? :)


He's a freak conspiracy theorist. He's all over the map with his insane conspiracies. He's basically a paranoid schizophrenic with a small radio show - attempting to bild an army with other paranoid schizophrenics.

Back during the DNC convention in Denver, Alex Jones verbally (and almost physically) attacked Michele Malkin in the streets - accusing her of all sorts of crazy. He's a pig.

861 pingjockey  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:28:44am

re: #854 Timbre
Yep. When I retired from Uncle Sams canoe club, I had to write yearly evals for my troops, 3 paper copies and the floppy disc!

862 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:29:18am

re: #850 FrogMarch

One of the reasons I hate Alex Jones (the equal opportunity paranoid schizophrenic)

MM is pretty, tenacious, and very very smart...3 reasons to hate her right there

863 Teacake!  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:29:26am

pingjocky, I think his website is infowars.com

864 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:29:51am

(build)

865 Timbre  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:30:14am

This is revolting. Here I am sick at home from work, talking about work. Let's talk about how the Dallas Cowboys need a new owner and management and coach.....unless you're a Cowboy hater in which case your probably as happy as a clam in Oyster Bay!

866 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:30:22am

Maisey the Parrot has been acting out lately.

A few weeks ago, our local supermarket had the most expensive parrot food on sale at 1/3 the price, because it appears that they are discontinuing that brand.

So, I purchased the two 4 pound bags that they had left, since the total price was less than the 5 pound bag of less expensive stuff.

Well, this parrot food has a lot of different items that parrot like. Most parrots like, it seems most parrots EXCEPT Maisey.

So, I'll put her food bowl in the cage, half filled with this new and wonderful product, I go and sit down, and behind my back I hear...

Slop, throw, scatter, plunk (chestnut), slop, throw, scatter, plunk (almond), slop, throw, scatter... nibble (peanut)... and then CLUNK... (food bowl has been moved).

She's thrown half the food out, and then, she moves the food bowl so it's hanging by only ONE clip, at an angle, so she can get to the smaller softer seeds in the bottom.

She's lazy. She doesn't want to take the time to break open the chestnut and almonds and other hard shelled food stuffs.

It's good for her, it's good for her beak, it's good for her coordination, all those things. No, Maisey wants to play couch potato, and just go after the crunchy easy stuff.

She's wasting my excellent money saving purchase.

867 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:30:55am

re: #857 rightymouse

After raising 4 boys (one still at home), plus spouse, I gave up cleaning bathrooms. My BP went wayyyyyyyyyyy down once he agreed to hiring cleaning help once a week.

Having a sign in the bathrooms "I am to please, you aim too, please", never worked.

Why not make THEM clean the baths? I'm making The Kid do some but, I keep tabs on him while he does.

868 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:31:26am

re: #852 JCM

An image of Obama on the left end of the bumper sticker.....

Give me a few minutes.

Sure, send me a link to it when you're done, and some money :)

869 pingjockey  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:31:52am

re: #860 FrogMarch

Thanks. Never heard of him. Yay!

870 revobob  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:32:14am

re: #593 MandyManners

Notice that we have Scottishbuzzsaw and Buzzsawmonkey? What is it about Lizards and buzz saws?

The Lizard Army includes many Skils!

871 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:32:28am

re: #859 Teacake!

Alex Jones is a total wackjob which is unfortunate in case any of his investigations might be true.

Which investigations? Into the allegations that the bar code stickers on the backs of highway signs are intended to help the military take us to the relocation camps?

872 Bloodnok  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:32:43am

re: #866 Walter L. Newton

It's good for her, it's good for her beak, it's good for her coordination, all those things. No, Maisey wants to play couch potato, and just go after the crunchy easy stuff.

Welcome to Barack's America.
/

873 rightymouse  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:32:59am

re: #867 MandyManners

Why not make THEM clean the baths? I'm making The Kid do some but, I keep tabs on him while he does.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Been there. Done that. I was outnumbered.

874 pingjockey  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:33:00am

re: #857 rightymouse
We have 3 boys, plus me. I do the bathroom. Keeps the better half in good temper!

875 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:33:12am

re: #866 Walter L. Newton

WHAT?

876 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:33:15am

re: #865 Timbre

This is revolting. Here I am sick at home from work, talking about work. Let's talk about how the Dallas Cowboys need a new owner and management and coach.....unless you're a Cowboy hater in which case your probably as happy as a clam in Oyster Bay!

the present owner has three rings and the coolest stadium on the planet...the players run and catch and tackle...not management

877 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:33:35am

re: #872 Bloodnok

Welcome to Barack's America.
/

No, no, no, Maisey did not vote for Kenyan Barry, no way.

878 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:33:46am

re: #870 revobob

The Lizard Army includes many Skils!

You're very sharp!

879 pingjockey  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:34:35am

Later folks.

880 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:34:45am

re: #873 rightymouse

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Been there. Done that. I was outnumbered.

I would've not shopped for groceries, cooked, cleaned or did laundry until I had prevailed upon them.

881 Last Mohican  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:35:12am

re: #863 Teacake!

pingjocky, I think his website is infowars.com

That is correct. But don't link to it here, Charles won't like it. And I don't recommend going there yourself unless you're prepared for a nice long mind-cleansing afterwards. I hadn't visited the site since the election, so I just went over to see what Jones is ranting about these days. Here's a comment I found:

This country was FOUNDED by WHITE, ENGLISH-SPEAKING people! You think the slaughter of a few Indians was bad? It was way less than the 60 million WHITE Russians, Germans, Austrians, and Polish killed by jews after WW2. The Indians are alright, but face it, they didn’t build this country. They would still be wearing hides and using a bow and arrow to catch rabbits to eat if it wasn’t for all the things ENGLISH-SPEAKING Patriots have invented and built to make life easier.

Don’t diss on Ron Paul! You actually think this melting pot crap has been good for America? Look at all the crime going on by these people who have come here from Africa, Mexico, Cuba, Puerto Rico, ect. Look at the gangs these people have created to commit crimes all over the place.

882 VioletTiger  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:35:20am

re: #847 vxbush
Ak, there will be no end to the handouts.

883 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:35:21am

Oooh. Melt-down city, ahead.

884 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:35:59am
Evolution is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it.... Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory.

— Jimmy Swaggart

In the garden of eden, satan invites man to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge, a tree that God had placed off-limits. You could argue based on this that all science is satanic, which is not far from what many of the RR believe. After all, from their point of view, it's that nasty knowledge stuff that got humanity into 'this mess' in the first place. They might as well be using Ghazali as their philosophical guide (although some of them might have difficulty following him).

885 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:36:10am

re: #869 pingjockey

Thanks. Never heard of him. Yay!

It's not a bad thing that you've never heard of him. He's really awful.
Sadly, he's somewhat influential with the younger easily fooled adolescents and misfits. I see "9/11 was an inside job" - Infowars stickers plastered all over town. It sickens me that he has convinced so many.

886 MandyManners  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:36:19am

re: #881 Last Mohican

Nothing like rank racism to fuck up a great morning.

887 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:36:28am

re: #857 rightymouse

Great line from "Two and a Half Men"

Dad. "Why is my son scrubbing the toilets"
Housekeeper, "When he's through, he'll be able to pee through a Cheerio."

888 Teacake!  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:36:44am
Which investigations? Into the allegations that the bar code stickers on the backs of highway signs are intended to help the military take us to the relocation camps?

The one in particular is of actual video footage of secret rituals that he somehow was able to tape of a skull and crossbone thing in the woods. Really creepy footage that apparently Kerry and others were a part of - I forget what happened to him - if he was busted or not. The footage seems real enough is the problem.

889 Timbre  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:36:49am

re: #857 rightymouse

re: #867 MandyManners

re: #874 pingjockey

I think bathrooms for boys should be all tile or stainless steel, with a drain in the middle of the floor, and firehose mounted on the wall.

890 rightymouse  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:37:01am

re: #874 pingjockey

We have 3 boys, plus me. I do the bathroom. Keeps the better half in good temper!

Honey, you're a better person than me. The last thing I wanted to do after working all week was spend the weekends cleaning bathrooms. :)

891 FrogMarch  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:37:51am

re: #852 JCM

An image of Obama on the left end of the bumper sticker.....

Give me a few minutes.

how about "NO MORE" - with both of the "O's" as Obama/pepsi symbols with slashes thru them?

892 JCM  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:37:56am

re: #868 Walter L. Newton

Sure, send me a link to it when you're done, and some money :)

Here ya' go.

Polish it up, then YOU can send it to Cafepress and reap any profits.

893 Teacake!  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:38:11am
That is correct. But don't link to it here, Charles won't like it.

Why not? Its good for a laugh!

894 Rustler  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:38:48am

re: #878 MandyManners

You saw right to the point didn't you?

895 reine.de.tout  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:40:13am

re: #856 pingjockey

A puppy next to you napping is good too.

well, yes that too.

896 Timbre  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:41:47am

re: #876 albusteve

I don't know, Albusteve, I was more disappointed this year in the decisions and management than in the fundamentals. And the three SB rings were from a different time and attitude. The new stadium is about 3/4 mile from my parents' house. It is awesome. I just hope there's not a big hailstorm there anytime!

897 rightymouse  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:42:16am

re: #880 MandyManners

I would've not shopped for groceries, cooked, cleaned or did laundry until I had prevailed upon them.

Four of the five were step-children. Hubby had this 'thing' about prevailing on them for much of anything in terms of chores. And they fussed that step-mom was being mean. Lovely dynamics. Have a much easier time now that it's just our biological child at home. He has his chores and there aren't the same toxic dynamics ruling the home. But I kept our hired cleaning pact. Hubby pays for her. :)

898 tradewind  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:42:49am

Bring it, Bibi.
BHO, you'll just have to learn to deal.
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

899 revobob  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:42:55am

re: #671 Lincolntf

Not yet, But it only takes a small leap of conjecture to picture a case where an occupied building (perhaps a Korean Deli or the like) is essentially occupied by intimidation, forcing the legitimate owners out to be replaced by Acorn-approved "community members".
I put nothing past these power-mad thugs.


I know I'm late to this, but I have to comment that, at least here in SoCal, taking on a Korean family business would likely be a fatal mistake. During the Rodney King Insurrection, they were openly guarding their properties with guns in hand, and the knowledge and willingness to use them.

900 VioletTiger  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:43:28am

re: #892 JCM
Cute kiddies!

901 rightymouse  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:44:24am

re: #887 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Great line from "Two and a Half Men"

Dad. "Why is my son scrubbing the toilets"
Housekeeper, "When he's through, he'll be able to pee through a Cheerio."

lol!

902 revobob  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:44:31am

re: #878 MandyManners

You're very sharp!


I mitre get in a little rip once in a while...

903 albusteve  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:45:09am

re: #896 Timbre

I don't know, Albusteve, I was more disappointed this year in the decisions and management than in the fundamentals. And the three SB rings were from a different time and attitude. The new stadium is about 3/4 mile from my parents' house. It is awesome. I just hope there's not a big hailstorm there anytime!

injuries and pathetic special teams wrecked the season imo...I was over to Dallas last Aug for the Texas Shootout...we checked out the new park and was shocked to see how congested it is around there...there will be huge traffic problems

904 rightymouse  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:45:46am

re: #889 Timbre

re: #867 MandyManners

re: #874 pingjockey

I think bathrooms for boys should be all tile or stainless steel, with a drain in the middle of the floor, and firehose mounted on the wall.


Amen!

905 n in wi  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:46:11am

re: #878 MandyManners

You're very sharp!

I saw that coming

906 JCM  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:48:33am

re: #900 VioletTiger

Cute kiddies!

The one in wagon went back to family, foster daughter we had her for 4 months.

907 revobob  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:48:57am

re: #890 rightymouse

Honey, you're a better person than me. The last thing I wanted to do after working all week was spend the weekends cleaning bathrooms. :)


Awwww, once a month it's not TOOOOO bad!

908 sprucepinehollow  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 8:56:31am

Evolution is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it.... Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory.

— Jimmy Swaggart

Interesting.... a silly statement and the quote itself has an ad hominem fallacious intent. Error compounded by fallacy.

909 rightymouse  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 9:10:01am

re: #907 revobob

Awwww, once a month it's not TOOOOO bad!

ONCE A MONTH? YUCK!

910 LC HOGHEAD  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 11:34:35am

Unions are naturally and inherently tyrannical, collectivist, criminal, corrupt, parasitic organizations. They're based on the theory and marxist-leninist "ideal" of what could be called predatory authoritarian communism for otherwise free-agent labor and naturally liberated workers.

No proper, self-respecting, freedom-loving employee should ever belong to a union at his job. No proper, self-respecting, freedom-loving employer should ever allow a union at his company. Unions destroy efficiency, competitiveness, prosperity, success -- and labor-management harmony. They create a kind of company civil war. Ultimately, unions kill business.

Even employees who think of joining a union, or who sympathize with the concept of unionism, should be summarily and energetically fired. Unionism as a socio-economic ideal is a deadly plague which severely weakens and impoverishes every worker and labor market it contaminates. Unions are a cancer which severely debilitate or destroy every company they infect.

Death to unions and unionism!

911 Tracy_p  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:30:23pm

Have you ever thought that GOD is all powerful so GOD created evolution. There by creating man.

912 Bob Z  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 12:51:40pm

In the Beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. That is all I need to know. I didn't come from some stupid monkey. Give yourself some credit!

913 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:14:34pm

re: #912 Bob Z

In the Beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. That is all I need to know. I didn't come from some stupid monkey. Give yourself some credit!

Classic.

914 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:20:23pm

re: #912 Bob Z

In the Beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. That is all I need to know. I didn't come from some stupid monkey. Give yourself some credit!

I do give myself credit. I don't believe in myths, ghosts, fairies, spirits, UFO's, chem-trails, secret tunnels all over the west, nor something as silly as god.

915 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:21:44pm

re: #913 Charles

If we didn't know better, we'd assume it was parody. Sadly, we do.

916 jcm  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:25:03pm

re: #912 Bob Z

In the Beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. That is all I need to know. I didn't come from some stupid monkey. Give yourself some credit!



Try this on for size.....

Let me know what you think.

917 Salamantis  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 1:32:23pm

re: #912 Bob Z

In the Beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. That is all I need to know. I didn't come from some stupid monkey. Give yourself some credit!

I guess you don't think you need to know about artifactual retroviral DNA sequences, then, ayy, Bob? Because they conclusively demonstrate beyond a rational statistical doubt that humans and great apes evolutionarliy diverged from common ancestors. Read all about it here:

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

Money quote:

“If Charles Darwin reappeared today, he might be surprised to learn that humans are descended from viruses as well as from apes,” Weiss wrote.

Darwin’s surprise almost certainly would be mixed with delight: when he suggested, in “The Descent of Man” (1871), that humans and apes shared a common ancestor, it was a revolutionary idea, and it remains one today. Yet nothing provides more convincing evidence for the “theory” of evolution than the viruses contained within our DNA. Until recently, the earliest available information about the history and the course of human diseases, like smallpox and typhus, came from mummies no more than four thousand years old. Evolution cannot be measured in a time span that short. Endogenous retroviruses provide a trail of molecular bread crumbs leading millions of years into the past.

Darwin’s theory makes sense, though, only if humans share most of those viral fragments with relatives like chimpanzees and monkeys. And we do, in thousands of places throughout our genome. If that were a coincidence, humans and chimpanzees would have had to endure an incalculable number of identical viral infections in the course of millions of years, and then, somehow, those infections would have had to end up in exactly the same place within each genome. The rungs of the ladder of human DNA consist of three billion pairs of nucleotides spread across forty-six chromosomes. The sequences of those nucleotides determine how each person differs from another, and from all other living things. The only way that humans, in thousands of seemingly random locations, could possess the exact retroviral DNA found in another species is by inheriting it from a common ancestor.

Molecular biology has made precise knowledge about the nature of that inheritance possible. With extensive databases of genetic sequences, reconstructing ancestral genomes has become common, and retroviruses have been found in the genome of every vertebrate species that has been studied. Anthropologists and biologists have used them to investigate not only the lineage of primates but the relationships among animals—dogs, jackals, wolves, and foxes, for example—and also to test whether similar organisms may in fact be unrelated.

Sal: Read it and weep, and then accept the facts of the matter. Or else dismiss or ignore the overwhelming empirical evidence, shitcan your intellect, and emotionally embrace the warm fluffy narcotic comfort of your dogma-driven willful ignorance.

918 Brit in Japan  Sat, Feb 21, 2009 4:47:44pm

re: #912 Bob Z

In the Beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. That is all I need to know. I didn't come from some stupid monkey. Give yourself some credit!

Err, is that a hail-mary bomb or a self-destruct play? I think you fumbled.

(or did you forget the sarc tag?)

BiJ

919 Tracy_p  Sun, Feb 22, 2009 3:58:41pm

As a mechanical engineer and not a church going person I believe in both God and science and look on science as the study of God through the study of one of his greatest works, the universe. From the study of the smallest subatomic particle
to the study of galaxy s, from Newton to Galileo all are the study of the rules that made the universe, and there by the study of God. And evolution is just one more thing too study.
As for the bible it is a good book but a book that you are reading in a language that it wasn't written in and that was translated by people that didn't have our understanding of the world.


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