Obama Admin Wants to Make Wounded Vets Use Private Insurance

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The Obama administration has to make cuts somewhere to push out this immense spending bill, so guess where they’re looking to save some money? Senators slam plan for wounded vets to use private insurance.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.

But the proposal would be “dead on arrival” if it’s sent to Congress, Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington, said.

Murray used that blunt terminology when she told Shinseki that the idea would not be acceptable and would be rejected if formally proposed. Her remarks came during a hearing before the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs about the 2010 budget.

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592 comments
1 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:11:36am

This is not going to end well for the God Emperor.

2 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:11:50am

Will someone please get this clown out of office? A vote of no confidence? Please?

3 turn  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:12:00am

Oh it was thread worthy, nice.

4 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:12:08am

As a military member, thank you Charles for posting this on the front page. This is an outrage and I appreciate you giving this visibility.

5 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:12:13am
6 MJ  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:12:13am

I think Obama and Congress should start paying for their own health care while we're at it.

7 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:12:16am

And I want Congress and the WH to use common sense and fiscal restraint.

8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:12:27am

Okay, time to throw this in again...

Remember the hissy fit that people had when Sarah Palin wanted private insurance to pay for rape kits, etc.?

9 CIA Reject  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:12:29am

Absolutely disgraceful- he oughta be ashamed of himself! But then he has shown himself to be incapable of shame.

10 Cathypop  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:13:01am

re: #7 Sharmuta

And I want Congress and the WH to use common sense and fiscal restraint.

Keep dreaming

11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:13:06am

TFK! Thanks for pointing this out earlier.

12 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:13:21am

re: #1 CyanSnowHawk

This is not going to end well for the God Emperor.

I don't think this will even

start

well for the emperor

13 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:13:40am

Three words to describe our esteemed president:

What an asshole.

14 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:14:03am

People in Hell want ice water.

15 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:14:30am

Can we please find a way to use "back-pedaling" as an energy source?

16 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:14:32am

Congress would never stand for this - and neither will the American people. Why would they ever make this statement? Does Obama think that the American people would stand for the proposition of making soldiers, sailors, and Marines pay for the injuries they sustained while in the service of our nation?

Such a statement is a craptacular example of the Administration's disdain for those that defend us from our enemies. It sets the wrong example for those who might consider serving in the US Armed Forces.

More to the point, it once again shows the Administration's poor judgment. It shows Obama's poor judgment. Again.

17 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:14:35am

It's vile that they should even bring this up for consideration. What are these idiots thinking?

18 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:14:40am

Where's Avanti?

19 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:15:02am

Let me see if I understand this. Our young men and women put their butts on the line to keep the world free from tyrany and we can't pay for their medical coverage when said butts get shot up.

Yet our congresscritters who park their butts in Washington and find new ways to impose on our freedom have free medical care for life.

Utter contempt is not a strong enough phrase for what I feel towards this administrations antics.

20 turn  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:15:19am

I can't imagine the affect this might have on enlistment if it goes through. If I sign up and then I'm get hurt or sick by serving my country I pick up the health insurance costs? What?

21 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:15:21am
22 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:15:21am

I mean, WTF? What's next from the Obama admin, co-pays for being wounded in action?

23 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:15:38am

Somebody call hous bin pharteen, he will want to see this.

24 Racer X  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:15:41am

Keep the hits coming Barry.

The left is being completely exposed.

25 pink freud  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:15:50am

One day. I want just one day of nothing controversial coming from this asshat.

26 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:16:02am

The entire DNC convention was about how the dems were going to take care of the veterans. Fucking hypocritical panderers.

27 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:16:08am

What in the hell does this administration think it's doing? What are they gonna tell our troops? "Don't worry, as long as you stay careful, and don't get hurt over there, this won't affect you."?

(Nope, not an attempt at humor. I'm boiling over this. I completely agree with a poster on an earlier thread. The minute this hit Shinseki's desk, it should have gone directly to the trash can beside it.)

28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:16:10am

re: #2 MrSilverDragon

Will someone please get this clown out of office? A vote of no confidence? Please?

Aye! I mean, Nay! I mean... uh... how do you vote if you have no confidence?

29 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:16:15am

PIMF Tyranny

30 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:16:28am

re: #17 VioletTiger

It's vile that they should even bring this up for consideration. What are these idiots thinking?

That's the problem. They're not thinking.

Or worse yet, they're thinking about the best possible way to destroy this country from the inside.

Either way, truly bad juju.

31 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:16:34am
32 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:16:34am

From that link:

' At the time, a White House spokesman would neither confirm nor deny the option was being considered.'

Knowing politicians for the sh*theads they are, this means they will try to find a way to sneak it through.

Be extremely vigilant - you yourselves know best how Washington works.

33 MJ  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:16:36am

re: #16 lawhawk

"It shows Obama's poor judgment. Again."

I suggest you paste them somewhere handy since it will save you time when you need to use it over again.

34 red satellite  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:16:36am

Ya know...when are liberals going to man-up and admit their contempt for the military? WHEN? Stand up to it. Own it.


You pernicious bunch of SFBs.

35 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:16:41am

re: #20 turn

I can't imagine the affect this might have on enlistment if it goes through. If I sign up and then I'm get hurt or sick by serving my country I pick up the health insurance costs? What?

That may be the objective. This administration is making Jimmy Carter look good, and that's quite a feat.

36 Bloodnok  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:16:51am

re: #18 MandyManners

Where's Avanti?

He is being told his response to this as we speak.

37 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:17:02am

Obama and his ideas are disgusting and disgraceful.

Screw him.

38 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:17:09am

re: #25 pink freud

One day. I want just one day of nothing controversial coming from this asshat.

How long can you hold your breath?

39 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:17:09am
40 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:17:23am

Here's what I posted a couple of threads ago:

This would get vets and anyone who cares about them to push for nationalized health care, which would then cover the injuries.
Another way to get his agenda through.

41 pink freud  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:17:36am

re: #18 MandyManners

"BHO or the GOP or dems won't touch this with a ten foot pole."

42 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:17:58am

re: #16 lawhawk

Congress would never stand for this - and neither will the American people. Why would they ever make this statement? Does Obama think that the American people would stand for the proposition of making soldiers, sailors, and Marines pay for the injuries they sustained while in the service of our nation?

Such a statement is a craptacular example of the Administration's disdain for those that defend us from our enemies. It sets the wrong example for those who might consider serving in the US Armed Forces.

More to the point, it once again shows the Administration's poor judgment. It shows Obama's poor judgment. Again.

All they see when they look at the VA medical system is the cost. The mission statement is only so much noise to them.

43 Racer X  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:18:03am

Oh shit.

We are being set up. They threw this out there to intentionally receive the outrage. Next step will be bigger government in all of healthcare.

44 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:18:05am

re: #36 Bloodnok

He is being told his response to this as we speak.

HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

45 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:18:14am

I wonder if the idea was Shinseki's, or if it was handed to him from "upstairs"

46 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:18:24am

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow

Here's what I posted a couple of threads ago:

This would get vets and anyone who cares about them to push for nationalized health care, which would then cover the injuries.
Another way to get his agenda through.

This will get thousands of potential recruits to re-think their plans.

47 rabidsquirrel  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:18:24am

I'm almost at a loss for words. Does our Commander-In-Chief have no shame? Does he not understand that we owe our wounded warriors a debt of honor that can never be fully repayed? It's one thing to disparage our veterans in the press and in thought; it's another to betray their trust outright through ridiculous policy proposals like this.

2012 can not come soon enough.

48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:18:37am

I wouldn't mind the idea of shutting down the VA's and providing healthcare coverage to vets. That would probably be less expensive.

Or am I as stupid as they are?

49 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:18:44am

I can see FCBBHO pushing a huge increase in TriCare co-pays.

50 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:18:51am
51 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:18:52am

re: #25 pink freud

One day. I want just one day of nothing controversial coming from this asshat.

But that would break his Gaffe-A-Day streak.
/

52 pat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:18:57am

A tax for getting wounded. Next a universal funeral tax.

53 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:19:00am

re: #42 CyanSnowHawk

And yet the left holds the VA up as a model for health care for the rest of us? This is what the left wants to do - dismantle quality health care for everyone and dismantle it for those already in government health care programs.

54 screaming_eagle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:19:10am

The maddening thing is that they would even consider such a idea, not weather it would pass or not. You'd think it would expose their double-speak, but since it will not get MSM coverage few will know of it.

55 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:19:14am

re: #30 MrSilverDragon

That's the problem. They're not thinking.

Or worse yet, they're thinking about the best possible way to destroy this country from the inside.

Either way, truly bad juju.

The words should never have even been uttered. Nobody should even float this as an idea. Asshats.

56 Racer X  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:19:15am

This is a setup.

57 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:19:19am

re: #48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wouldn't mind the idea of shutting down the VA's and providing healthcare coverage to vets. That would probably be less expensive.

Or am I as stupid as they are?

Throw the vets who live there out into the street?

58 The Other Les  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:19:28am

re: #17 VioletTiger

It's vile that they should even bring this up for consideration. What are these idiots thinking?

They don't think. They feel.

They feel that the existing society is evil and so are those people who stand up to defend the existing society. Because they feel that the defenders of the existing society are evil that the defenders must be punished in some fashion.

59 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:19:28am

Utter contempt for the military, that's what this bullshit is.

60 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:19:46am

Why give our finest and bravest who were willing to give the ultimate sacrifice and almost did in the line of combat actual government coverage for Health Insurance, the type of insurance almost all of us are willing to be taxed for, when we can cover illegals?

/SPIT

61 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:19:46am

re: #20 turn

I can't imagine the affect this might have on enlistment if it goes through. If I sign up and then I'm get hurt or sick by serving my country I pick up the health insurance costs? What?

That is part of what they want. Then they need a draft, and they get soldiers who aren't as dedicated to the service of their country. Also, with a draft, more people would oppose using the armed forces where their relatives could get killed. Families of volunteers are generally more understanding and supportive, although certainly all losses are tragic.

Someone in the administration seems to know what they're doing. Unfortunately, he's trying to destroy the country.

62 Steve Rogers  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:19:50am

But Sec. of State Hillary Clinton wants to give the Palestinians millions of dollars to go to school in American universities. But money to help wounded U.S. Vets? Well, we all know what the Democrats really think about them, now don't we!

63 yesandno  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:19:56am

Another reason for them to push for universal health care....

It's a two-fer.....insult the troops we "support", and take the government out of a trooper's health care so we can put the government back in both the trooper's healthcare and the trooper's pocket....so he can cover the illegals.

/everything is an agenda that leads to a bigger agenda and so on and so forth....

64 turn  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:20:04am

re: #35 Honorary Yooper

That may be the objective. This administration is making Jimmy Carter look good, and that's quite a feat.

That's why I made the comment, I think it is their objective with this. As sharm said, this is so hypocritical it's sicking.

65 Suzette  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:20:08am

re: #25 pink freud

One day. I want just one day of nothing controversial coming from this asshat.

Pink ..... I don't that could happen. He is hell bent on his leftist agenda.
/ now what do people think about his "change"?

66 fish  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:20:13am

I won't even pretend that I understand Obama's thought process on this one. It would have to be: It is the soldiers own fault for getting wounded in a war they should have protested against instead of going to fight...

The thing that makes me sick about this President is that he TOLD EVERYONE what his administration was going to be like and the idiots voted for him and now are acting surprised that he is DOING WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD!

67 Kragar  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:20:15am

re: #1 CyanSnowHawk

This is not going to end well for the God Emperor.

Please dont insult the God Emperor by comparing him to this turd.

68 pat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:20:51am

Veteran Hospitals are used in times of conflict as service hospitals, that is why the infrastructure exists in this manner.

69 Shug  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:20:55am

Obama is now less than zero

70 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:21:00am

re: #31 taxfreekiller

All Bush/Hitler doings, Obama has never done a f'n thing, is not going to do a f'n thing, and for sure will not be held responsible for a f'n thing.

So, go home to a country you like Obama , write books on how horrible it is to be an American.

part of hockey poo person

FTFY

71 Kragar  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:21:01am

re: #14 Sharmuta

People in Hell want ice water.

I think that depends on which ring of Hell you're in.

72 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:21:03am

re: #21 buzzsawmonkey

Interesting how the mere whisper of privatizing Social Security is anathema, but this is not.

Interesting that we are being sold on the idea of free government-paid health care even as the government is looking into dumping its responsibility for those to whom it actually provides health care.

Yes - I can't get my head round this dichotomy: why is free healthcare a 'human right', on the one hand - but is not when you're serving your country and get injured during your service?

Something is very wrong here.

73 realwest  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:21:20am

Thanks for posting this Charles. It's truly appreciated.
And although I haven't read the entire thread and so someone else may have brought this up, this "under consideration" is a funny way to describe it when Obama's proposed budget includes money FROM THE VA.
Motherfuckers.

74 zato  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:21:20am

Even Clinton & Carter weren't as dumb and ignorant as Barry would prove to be if he goes ahead with this silly proposal

75 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:21:28am

I was just pondering how much money the left-wing proggies poor into democrat campaign coffers. obama raised more money than any candidate - EVER. and these leftists, who claim to care about our soldiers, are unable to raise money for our soldiers?

We know where the left-wing priorities are: Power for them, kill free speech for the rest of us, kill private sector business, pro-union thug, shitty government health care for the masses - private health care for the elites in Washington and in Hollywad, & and big fat NO to vouchers that help poor kids.

Our new hope-n-change government is poison.

76 Russkilitlover  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:21:30am

Even though I don't think this has a snowball's chance in our lifetime, I DO like the fact that the Obama administration was stupid enough to say they are *considering* it. Might help clear some myopic eyes.

77 astronmr20  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:21:36am

We have apparently handed our country over to moonbat children.

78 The Other Les  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:21:45am

re: #19 DaddyG

Let me see if I understand this. Our young men and women put their butts on the line to keep the world free from tyrany and we can't pay for their medical coverage when said butts get shot up.

Yet our congresscritters who park their butts in Washington and find new ways to impose on our freedom have free medical care for life.

Utter contempt is not a strong enough phrase for what I feel towards this administrations antics.

The folks in what I will at present call The Other Party are basically a bunch of tyrannophiles. Tyranny is good to them. Those who fight tyranny are bad and must be punished.

79 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:21:53am

Mandy, may I?

I hope all those people who didn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now!

80 iLikeCandy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:22:07am

What!? I thought private insurance was the "problem." I thought military vets had the ideal: taxpayer-supported, free healthcare, staffed by government employees. Obama wants to destroy that little corner of leftist perfection?

81 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:22:07am
82 MJ  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:22:19am

Perhaps the Obama administration will charge soldiers for each bullet they use too.

83 astronmr20  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:22:20am

I miss George Bush.

84 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:22:33am

Must... fight... BHODS... not... making it... easy...

85 Kragar  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:22:59am

re: #82 MJ

Perhaps the Obama administration will charge soldiers for each bullet they use too.

They'll save more money by not issuing them rounds at all.

86 kcladderman  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:23:08am

obama
What a dick.

87 turn  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:23:16am

re: #56 Racer X

This is a setup.

I think you are on to something there racer.

88 kingkenrod  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:23:35am

I can tell you what I think is happening here. Obama wanted a test case (some might say "guinea pigs") for his public/private health care system and realized the military would be a large group of people he could force into it. This system would serve as an example he could eventually hold up to the public as a success (regardless of the results). Plus the more people who move to this type of system, the easier it is to start applying it to other groups.

89 ladycatnip  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:23:37am

This guy is making a mistake every 30 seconds. How long before the media and his adoring public shove him and his cronies under the proverbial bus?

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:23:42am

re: #57 MandyManners

Throw the vets who live there out into the street?

Not at all. Provide coverage, put them in first rate hospitals, etc.

NO! I DID NOT JUST SAY THAT THE V.A. IS NOT FIRST RATE.

91 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:23:49am

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow

Here's what I posted a couple of threads ago:

This would get vets and anyone who cares about them to push for nationalized health care, which would then cover the injuries.
Another way to get his agenda through.

Could be - but in the meantime, the vets have to pay?
This is a proposal for the 2010 budget.
Even PB0 couldn't get his nationalised Health Care off the ground in that time.

92 Gretchen  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:23:56am

What a shock. Military vote Republican so Obama could care less about them. He views them as baby-killers and rapists. This budget has nothing to do with sound financial policy it is a tool to punish the rich, religious, charitable, military and responsible in order to award groups and individuals who back Obama. Duh.

93 pink freud  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:24:00am

re: #65 Suzette

Pink ..... I don't that could happen. He is hell bent on his leftist agenda.
/ now what do people think about his "change"?

Hi Suzette!

He sure is red-lining the nation's stress levels, that's for sure.

/torque it hard

94 Bloodnok  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:24:06am

re: #74 zato

Even Clinton & Carter weren't as dumb and ignorant as Barry would prove to be if he goes ahead with this silly proposal

You don't even leave something like this on the table for consideration and provide red meat for the other side. Even if they say "We've considered it as we do ALL possible options and the answer is NO" the damage has been done.

Amateurs.

95 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:24:23am

Wow. We always knew his contempt for the military was completely obvious despite all the protestations of his suporters. I guess this just confirms it.

Seriously, how stupid can you get? This kind of stuff just makes some people who are thinking of volunteering think twice about it. Throw in another 'Bonus Army' type problem, along with the knowledge that your commander-in-chief has no respect for you or your generals, and voila, you've got a mutiny brewing.

96 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:24:27am

re: #62 Steve Rogers

But Sec. of State Hillary Clinton wants to give the Palestinians millions of dollars to go to school in American universities. But money to help wounded U.S. Vets? Well, we all know what the Democrats really think about them, now don't we!

Time to set up some new departments:
Department of Jooo Hatred (I think several schools already have this)
And new courses, like
Bomb belt making 101, Advanced Bomb Making
Fauxtography
etc.

97 yesandno  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:24:43am

re: #48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wouldn't mind the idea of shutting down the VA's and providing healthcare coverage to vets. That would probably be less expensive.

Or am I as stupid as they are?

There are some Vet's illnesses that wouldn't pass muster in a healthcare system that is "for the children". When they are assess, they would be in Tom Daschle's group that would just have to get over the fact that they are too sick to get treatment.

This, as a reward for protecting the asses of people who have extraordinary medical coverage by being in Congress. If they give the vets the same coverage that Nancy et. all gets for the same price, it might be worth considering.

98 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:24:56am
99 Racer X  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:24:58am

This smells like a set up.

Throw some ridiculous policy out there for "consideration".

Immediate outrage.

Then propose bigger government healthcare to show you care.

100 captdiggs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:25:06am

Utterly shameful.
A sacred trust between those in the service and America is the promise that if you are injured in the line of duty, America will take care of you.

101 pink freud  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:25:21am

re: #69 Shug

Obama is now less than zero

Ten times zero!

102 realwest  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:25:27am

re: #16 lawhawk
"Congress would never stand for this - and neither will the American people. Why would they ever make this statement?"
What makes you so sure of that? If you check out my #73 or Dusty Vet's link to HotAir on this, Obama's 2010 budget include a line item for INCOME from the VA.
And while I would hope that folks who hated the War in Iraq wouldn't blame the warriors for the war, they sure as hell did with Vietnam and Vietnam Veterans.

103 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:25:45am

re: #99 Racer X

This smells like a set up.

Throw some ridiculous policy out there for "consideration".

Immediate outrage.

Then propose bigger government healthcare to show you care.

Highly possible. However, this one might be so audacious it backfires.

104 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:25:57am

re: #61 Kosh's Shadow

That is part of what they want. Then they need a draft, and they get soldiers who aren't as dedicated to the service of their country. Also, with a draft, more people would oppose using the armed forces where their relatives could get killed. Families of volunteers are generally more understanding and supportive, although certainly all losses are tragic.

Someone in the administration seems to know what they're doing. Unfortunately, he's trying to destroy the country.

That's right out of the communist playbook - breakdown society completely so that it can be remade as a true socialist utopia.

105 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:26:05am

re: #72 yma o hyd

Yes - I can't get my head round this dichotomy: why is free healthcare a 'human right', on the one hand - but is not when you're serving your country and get injured during your service?

Something is very wrong here.

Whatever the reason for the stupid idea having been floated in the first place, we should expect to see more like this. The stimulus deficit will have to be paid for. Obama's Administration will get desperate, flailing around to find the programs which have the fewest supporters.

106 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:26:30am

re: #83 astronmr20

I miss George Bush.

I even miss Bill Clinton.

107 astronmr20  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:26:39am

Racer X is right. Submitting such a proposal.. or even floating such a thing is political suicide. He must know this, no matter how red or anti-military his agenda may be.

It has to be some sort of a setup to get us into socialized healthcare.

108 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:26:51am

Do the terrorists we capture and house at Gitmo get a bill for their medical service?
I think not.......

109 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:27:04am

re: #101 pink freud

Ten times zero!

Obama is 1/0.

/Plug that into your calculator.

110 turn  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:27:06am

re: #61 Kosh's Shadow

I'm beginning to think like racer, they have to know this has no chance of ever getting passed. They could using this issue as a means to garner more support for their plans to further expand government's control on health care.

111 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:27:13am

re: #99 Racer X

This smells like a set up.

Throw some ridiculous policy out there for "consideration".

Immediate outrage.

Then propose bigger government healthcare to show you care.

Set up or not, it was an egregious thing to say, no matter what.

112 MJ  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:27:28am

Obama Tells Veterans: 'I Will Not Let You Down'

May 26, 2008 5:40 PM

ABC News' Sunlen Miller reports: At a town hall with veterans to commemorate Memorial Day in Las Cruces, N.M., Sen. Barack Obama promised veterans that he will not let them down, and spoke about veterans' sacrifices and the need for proper veterans’ benefits....

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]
Well, another broken promise.

113 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:27:32am

I keep half expecting a grown-up to step outside and blow a whistle, announcing that recess is over and it's back to finger-painting, snack-time and show-and-tell for these people. Unbelievable.

114 Suzette  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:27:45am

re: #93 pink freud

Hi Suzette!

He sure is red-lining the nation's stress levels, that's for sure.

/torque it hard


Indeed he is....maybe the best stock to buy would be in Valium.
/Seems like many people's blood pressure will continue to rise in the next 4 years.
This president of ours is going at break-neck speed on destroying America.

115 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:27:55am

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not at all. Provide coverage, put them in first rate hospitals, etc.

NO! I DID NOT JUST SAY THAT THE V.A. IS NOT FIRST RATE.

Those of us that have dealt with them know this already.

116 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:27:59am

re: #99 Racer X

This smells like a set up.

Throw some ridiculous policy out there for "consideration".

Immediate outrage.

Then propose bigger government healthcare to show you care.

Or, to grade reaction so that when you try it again, you know the right buzz words to employ.

117 Racer X  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:28:05am

re: #103 Honorary Yooper

Highly possible. However, this one might be so audacious it backfires.

This administration has no intention of increasing private healthcare in any form. Period.

This is a setup.

I guarantee it.

118 Steve Rogers  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:28:24am

re: #96 Kosh's Shadow

Time to set up some new departments:
Department of Jooo Hatred (I think several schools already have this)
And new courses, like
Bomb belt making 101, Advanced Bomb Making
Fauxtography
etc.

Don't forget "Advanced Car Swarming" and "Holocaust Denial 101".

119 rabidsquirrel  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:28:32am

re: #82 MJ

Perhaps the Obama administration will charge soldiers for each bullet they use too.

And for the knife they're stabbing them in the back with.

120 Bloodnok  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:28:32am

re: #99 Racer X

This smells like a set up.

Throw some ridiculous policy out there for "consideration".

Immediate outrage.

Then propose bigger government healthcare to show you care.

Precisely. They could be framing the argument.

121 Racer X  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:28:41am

re: #107 astronmr20

Racer X is right. Submitting such a proposal.. or even floating such a thing is political suicide. He must know this, no matter how red or anti-military his agenda may be.

It has to be some sort of a setup to get us into socialized healthcare.

Damn straight!

122 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:28:52am

re: #115 CyanSnowHawk

Those of us that have dealt with them know this already.

Having heard from some of them, I can see a debate on how to make the VA work better and provide better quality service, but Obama is fraking insane.

123 right_on_target  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:28:58am

re: #109 Honorary Yooper

Obama is 1/0.

/Plug that into your calculator.

He seems more like the square root of minus one. Something imaginary and just imagine a nightmare.

124 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:28:59am

Okay, my up-ding finger's getting tired.

DING!

125 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:29:03am

re: #109 Honorary Yooper

Obama is 1/0.

/Plug that into your calculator.

0bama is undefined.

How fitting.

126 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:29:06am

I'd like to see him say that to my friends at the VFW.

127 Gretchen  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:29:10am

re: #106 Kosh's Shadow
OMG I thought that too today. Yet another sign of the Apocalypse.

128 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:29:12am

re: #95 Leonidas Hoplite

Wow. We always knew his contempt for the military was completely obvious despite all the protestations of his suporters. I guess this just confirms it.

Seriously, how stupid can you get? This kind of stuff just makes some people who are thinking of volunteering think twice about it. Throw in another 'Bonus Army' type problem, along with the knowledge that your commander-in-chief has no respect for you or your generals, and voila, you've got a mutiny brewing.

Yep, spot on. Quite a few of us left the service when Carter was elected - especially those of us who were at the tipping point (9-11 years in). IIRC, one of the issues was a proposal to let folks retire with 20 years, but not start collecting retirement until 65. It wasn't the proposal per se, but the possibility that it would be retroactive that pushed us over the edge.

129 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:29:18am
130 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:29:23am

re: #102 realwest

I honestly think that the Blue Dog Democrats - those who won seats in 2008 and even in 2006 in the Red leaning districts would be cast out by their constituents if they tried to push this through. There are enough of those Congress-critters to side with the GOP on the issue to block it, especially in the House.

That said, it's incredibly troubling that they're even having this discussion in the first place.

131 screaming_eagle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:29:36am

re: #106 Kosh's Shadow

I even miss Bill Clinton.

I'm afraid Obama is gonna make us miss Carter.


spit

132 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:29:39am

re: #114 Suzette

Indeed he is....maybe the best stock to buy would be in Valium.
/Seems like many people's blood pressure will continue to rise in the next 4 years.
This president of ours is going at break-neck speed on destroying America.

0bamacare will include free Soma for everyone.

133 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:30:09am

I reserve some a large part of my contempt for the 52% of my fellow citizens that voted for this POS.

134 realwest  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:30:20am

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian You don't have to, I will: VA healthcare is a fucking joke in almost every VA facility in the country.
Texas seems to be an exception to this rule.
The nation seems to think the G.I. is great in time of War, but is something to be disregarded and forgotten when the war is over.
Wish I had that Rudyard Kipling poem about "Tommy" handy right now.

135 turn  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:30:21am

re: #63 yesandno

Another reason for them to push for universal health care....

It's a two-fer.....insult the troops we "support", and take the government out of a trooper's health care so we can put the government back in both the trooper's healthcare and the trooper's pocket....so he can cover the illegals.

/everything is an agenda that leads to a bigger agenda and so on and so forth....

Now that's an explanation I can believe. Excellent!

136 Gretchen  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:30:45am

re: #102 realwest

"Congress would never stand for this - and neither will the American people. Why would they ever make this statement?"
What makes you so sure of that? If you check out my #73 or Dusty Vet's link to HotAir on this, Obama's 2010 budget include a line item for INCOME from the VA.
And while I would hope that folks who hated the War in Iraq wouldn't blame the warriors for the war, they sure as hell did with Vietnam and Vietnam Veterans.

The general public will never find out about this. The general public doesn't read LGF they watch Jon Stewart for news.

137 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:30:48am

Obama, why do you hate America? Aside from letting you become arguably the most powerful person in the world...why the angst? What did America ever do to you to deserve this animus and rancor? You have success! America allowed the conditions to exist for you to succeed. Nowhere else would have allowed you to do what you have done. Yet now you pull one of the most depraved and vile tactics ever. Politicizing those who gave all they had to give. Politicizing those who allowed you to take advantage of all that America has to offer by ensuring it is a safe place to do so. What thanks do you offer? Cheap chicago thug political cheapshots.

Weak.

138 jorline  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:30:51am

Sentence Madoff and the Gitmo Gang to life. Issue them orange space suits, a roll of trash bags and let them pick up space litter.

Orbiting Junk Causes Space Station Evacuation

139 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:30:52am

re: #89 ladycatnip

This guy is making a mistake every 30 seconds. How long before the media and his adoring public shove him and his cronies under the proverbial bus?


Never. Both constituencies a) drank too much koolaid and b) have far too much political capital invested in The One to have him fail.

140 godfrey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:31:01am

Obama is trying to best the Clintons in contempt shown to the US military.

141 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:31:03am

re: #123 right_on_target

He seems more like the square root of minus one. Something imaginary and just imagine a nightmare.

I wish he were imaginary, that we'd realize this was a bad horror movie, but this is no movie; this is real.

142 joncelli  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:31:13am

I'm trying to wrap my head around the reasoning here. Obama's people are inept at actual management of the government but they're consummate marketers, so they had to know that this proposal would raise a stink. So I'm going to brainstorm a set of rationales for this proposal:

1. Shinseki is secretly sabotaging the administration.
2. They want to say "If it's good enough for the troops then it's good enough for us." "Us" being everybody else.
3. They want to sabotage the benefits of the all-volunteer force in order to advance a draft.
4. They want to demoralize the troops such that they won't re-up and so there will have to be a draft.

Draft and socialized health care. A two-fer. Rahm is going to create a crisis and then use it.

143 pink freud  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:31:18am

re: #118 Steve Rogers

Don't forget "Advanced Car Swarming" and "Holocaust Denial 101".

Basic Care and Understanding of Unicorns.

144 BRUTUS  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:31:38am

disgusting

145 joncelli  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:31:40am

re: #79 Jetpilot1101

We need to make up bumper stickers with that on it.

146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:31:44am

re: #106 Kosh's Shadow

I even miss Bill Clinton.

Top this...

I wish Hillary Clinton was President.

147 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:32:00am
148 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:32:10am
149 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:32:21am

OT: Surprise, Surprise Surprise . . .

Congresswoman With Ties to Bank [Maxine Waters] Helped Seek Funds

Ms. Waters declined on Tuesday to comment on the meeting, or to say if her husband still owns OneUnited shares. Her staff released two letters that showed the meeting was initially called to discuss industry concerns broadly, not matters related just to OneUnited.

The congresswoman, a member of the House Financial Services Committee, did not disclose her ties to OneUnited to Treasury officials, who said they learned of them only later.

150 iLikeCandy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:32:23am

re: #110 turn

I'm beginning to think like racer, they have to know this has no chance of ever getting passed. They could using this issue as a means to garner more support for their plans to further expand government's control on health care.

Must be. Passing patients into private health insurance is anathema to the left. I truly don't get it unless it's some back-door way of destroying private health insurance.

Then again, the big question about this administration remains, is it incompetent, immoral, or both? Such monumental examples of each, these insane moves become hard to categorize.

151 pink freud  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:32:30am

re: #129 buzzsawmonkey

What we are seeing is a divide and conquer strategy.

A hundred little outrages in a very short time; it's a blitz. And each segment of society will have its own particular outrage to deal with, each dear to its own heart. The sheer number of them will prevent any sort of unified, organized, strong opposition from forming--and in the absence of a unified opposition, each small outraged constituency can be mollified, bought off, or steamrollered as they choose.

DING DING DING!

152 Kragar  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:32:39am

I propose a compromise.

Take all the money for the Palis and all the money for the VA and put it in a trust.

Now we take all the Veterans and all the Palis and let them fight it out and whoever wins, gets the whole thing.

153 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:32:48am

I imagine Obama about now sits in the Oval Office and pines away for the days when he could just vote present.

154 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:32:51am

re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Top this...

I wish Hillary Clinton was President.

A chill just went up my spine...

155 astronmr20  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:32:53am

Breaking:
FBI raids Obama Appointee's office

156 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:32:55am

re: #107 astronmr20

Racer X is right. Submitting such a proposal.. or even floating such a thing is political suicide. He must know this, no matter how red or anti-military his agenda may be.

It has to be some sort of a setup to get us into socialized healthcare.


You both could be right. It's a perfect set-up--they will claim to be able to solve all these problems with their socialized medicine poison.

157 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:33:05am

re: #129 buzzsawmonkey

A very, very long time, if ever. What we are seeing is a divide and conquer strategy.

A hundred little outrages in a very short time; it's a blitz. And each segment of society will have its own particular outrage to deal with, each dear to its own heart. The sheer number of them will prevent any sort of unified, organized, strong opposition from forming--and in the absence of a unified opposition, each small outraged constituency can be mollified, bought off, or steamrollered as they choose.

A chill just went down my spine.

158 realwest  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:33:15am

re: #130 lawhawk
"That said, it's incredibly troubling that they're even having this discussion in the first place."
I couldn't agree with you more my friend. But as I said upthread, Obama's 2010 budget, according to HotAir contains a line item for INCOME from the VA.
The VA prescribed an anti-depressant for me for my PTSD and I didn't pay anything for the drug (to which I turned out to be allergic) so where is this income from the VA gonna come from?

159 Dianna  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:33:38am

Sense emerged from Patty Murray?!

Good for her!

160 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:33:51am

re: #97 yesandno

There are some Vet's illnesses that wouldn't pass muster in a healthcare system that is "for the children". When they are assess, they would be in Tom Daschle's group that would just have to get over the fact that they are too sick to get treatment.

This, as a reward for protecting the asses of people who have extraordinary medical coverage by being in Congress. If they give the vets the same coverage that Nancy et. all gets for the same price, it might be worth considering.

This is exactly what has happened here in the UK.
As we have a National Health Care, the NuLab government has been closing down more and more specialist military and vets hospitals and long-time care homes.
To 'save money'.
Wounded soldiers now often find themselves on ordinary hospital wards, and there have been problems. Nurses and doctors don't relate to them, nor do certain visitors.
Worse - once they're released, they are treated like everybody else, subjected to teh famous long waiting lists, treated by doctors who ahve no idea about PTSD, for example.
They hve to wait for rehabilitation - we are talking about young lads who are trying to rebuild heir lives, having lost limbs, not people who ahve had accidents while being drunk!
It is a total disgrace.

And thats what will happen under PB0, with this 'proposal'.

161 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:34:07am

And Obama's.......tiiiirrreed.

Try being in Afghanistan or Iraq for months on end, sleep being a luxury, away from your family, fighting for people who couldn't give a damn whether you live or die, or even hoping you fail.

Fuck Him.

There, I said it.

162 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:34:42am

re: #106 Kosh's Shadow

I even miss Bill Clinton.

So this is how someone that was despised by a sizable chunk of the population becomes a statesman in retrospect.

163 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:34:44am

re: #154 MrSilverDragon

A chill just went up my spine...

Your's goes up, mine goes down.

164 UFO TOFU  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:34:45am

re: #112 MJ

I wish Charles would add that to the front page.

165 godfrey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:35:02am

re: #129 buzzsawmonkey

I think it's more of a Mardi Gras mentality. The revellers have occupied the WH and are throwing beads to the drunken masses as fast as they can, while they drink and carry on like they're really princes of the (bel) air. Which they are.

166 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:35:05am

re: #152 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I propose a compromise.

Take all the money for the Palis and all the money for the VA and put it in a trust.

Now we take all the Veterans and all the Palis and let them fight it out and whoever wins, gets the whole thing.

Great idea. We also get rid of a bunch of terrorists in the process.
Unless we let the 0 set the rules of engagement.

167 The Other Les  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:35:05am

re: #145 joncelli

We need to make up bumper stickers with that on it.

My thought on the subject is that I should take some black electrical tape and and improvise a black flag sticker for the rear window of my car in the place that an American flag sticker would usually go. (Insert appropriate Mencken quote here.)

168 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:35:07am

re: #142 joncelli

You know, I forgot about the draft issue until you mentioned it. If they discourage people from volunteering for military service, they would have an excuse to bring back the draft.

169 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:35:21am

In Colorado, the stealth democrats are attempting to kill the electoral vote process - which would give less populated small state vote totals over to the democrat party (essentially).

consolidating power. that's the name of the (D) game.

170 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:35:26am

re: #107 astronmr20

Racer X is right. Submitting such a proposal.. or even floating such a thing is political suicide. He must know this, no matter how red or anti-military his agenda may be.

It has to be some sort of a setup to get us into socialized healthcare.

Remember that this statement is from the Veterans Affairs Secretary. This is becoming a common tactic for underlings to get funding for their department. They make an outrageous statement, grab some headlines and get some attention. Obama then hops in and gives them funding to make the headlines go away. FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair caused panic in the markets last week talking about the possible failure of FDIC insurance because her requests for funding were being ignored. I think this is a sign that the administration is ignoring funding requests to department heads are taking matters into their own hands.

171 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:35:32am

The first hunderd days of the Obama administration are really focusing on alternative energy sources. Their plan is to dig a hole deep enough to reach the mantle of the earth and tap it for a renewable energy source.

//

172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:35:57am

Now I am starting to understand Michelle Obama's view a little better. It's not feelin' real good right now to be an American.

173 realwest  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:35:59am

re: #160 yma o hyd
Thank you for that comment {yma}. It is illuminating to say the least.

174 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:36:22am
175 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:36:53am

I'm a Disabled Veteran, and if not for the VA I would be living in a dumpster and have my dignity tossed AGAIN by the liberals, guess I better start looking for a dumpster, huh?

176 MJ  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:36:53am

re: #164 UFO TOFU

I wish Charles would add that to the front page.

Obama is against earmarks too....

177 Gretchen  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:37:00am

re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Top this...

I wish Hillary Clinton was President.

Me too, at least Bill and Hill weren't out to destroy the economy and the media while biased, didn't worship them. Bill's supporters supported him, they didn't post creepy pictures of his face all over cars and t-shirts. That's the most worrisome part, the devotion.

178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:37:01am

re: #171 DaddyG

Put that together with my "back-pedaling" idea, then the Saudi's can eat sand.

179 The Other Les  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:37:30am

re: #169 FrogMarch

In Colorado, the stealth democrats are attempting to kill the electoral vote process - which would give less populated small state vote totals over to the democrat party (essentially).

consolidating power. that's the name of the (D) game.

POWER IS LIFE to them.

180 yesandno  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:37:39am

re: #137 Oh no...Sand People!

Obama, why do you hate America? Aside from letting you become arguably the most powerful person in the world...why the angst? What did America ever do to you to deserve this animus and rancor? You have success! America allowed the conditions to exist for you to succeed. Nowhere else would have allowed you to do what you have done. Yet now you pull one of the most depraved and vile tactics ever. Politicizing those who gave all they had to give. Politicizing those who allowed you to take advantage of all that America has to offer by ensuring it is a safe place to do so. What thanks do you offer? Cheap chicago thug political cheapshots.

Weak.

I like to think it was his mother....followed closely by his wife....

181 FrogMarch  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:37:46am

re: #107 astronmr20

Racer X is right. Submitting such a proposal.. or even floating such a thing is political suicide. He must know this, no matter how red or anti-military his agenda may be.

It has to be some sort of a setup to get us into socialized healthcare.


Just about every move the O admin makes is a set up, a grand scheme, and a manipulation to push us further down the road to socialism.

182 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:37:50am

re: #175 'Nam Grunt

Thank you.

183 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:38:02am

re: #137 Oh no...Sand People!

Hi, Sand People! Obama hates America because he is not an American. I'm not a nirther -- he was born on U.S. soil, but in his heart, he is not an American. IMO, this explains stupid gaffes like the 57 states and the single bomb he thinks fell on Pearl Harbor. (And that last one is inexcusable for someone born in Hawaii.) He was largely raised in a foreign country and taught that America was a horrible place. Why he wants to be president of the Great Satan is beyond me, unless it is to destroy it. Which he seems well on his way to doing.

184 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:38:16am

re: #175 'Nam Grunt

I'm a Disabled Veteran, and if not for the VA I would be living in a dumpster and have my dignity tossed AGAIN by the liberals, guess I better start looking for a dumpster, huh?

Sir, thank you so much for your service to this country. My house is always open should you need a place to rest. No vet that I know will EVER live in a dumpster.

185 Nadnerb  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:38:18am

Wait. So he wants everyone to have free health care EXCEPT INJURED SOLDIERS? This guy HATES the milltary and will try to castrate it every step of the way. Shame on him.

186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:38:18am

re: #175 'Nam Grunt

First? Thank you for your service.
Second? Thank you for your sacrifice.
Third? Thanks.
Fourth? Deep bow.

187 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:38:22am
188 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:38:33am

re: #163 MandyManners

Your's goes up, mine goes down.

Must... refrain... from... dirty... comment...

189 nyc redneck  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:38:38am

this is a clear message that o does not give a shite abt. our troops.
he would put this onerous burden on them
as they put their lives on the line for us.
o is a disgrace as c.i.c.
and as a human being.

190 yesandno  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:38:39am

re: #153 bulwrk

I imagine Obama about now sits in the Oval Office and pines away for the days when he could just vote present.

He still is....

191 RaiderDan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:38:43am

Gee, I hope the forward aid stations and combat medics take Blue Cross/Blue Shield....

I think M*A*S*H 4077th is "in-network"

But the 8063rd is out of my plan, dammit...

192 joncelli  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:38:49am

re: #170 Killgore Trout

In which case Obama has totally lost control of his cabinet within a couple months of taking office. Greeeeeat.

193 Racer X  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:38:55am

re: #170 Killgore Trout

Interesting.

You are saying those who have not yet received their share of the booty are getting a little testy?

This is not a good sign at all.

194 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:39:00am

re: #175 'Nam Grunt

I'm a Disabled Veteran, and if not for the VA I would be living in a dumpster and have my dignity tossed AGAIN by the liberals, guess I better start looking for a dumpster, huh?

Hey Nam Grunt, thank you so much for your service! As long as there are vets like those of us here, you won't have to worry about living in a dumpster.

Ever.

195 turn  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:39:22am

re: #150 iLikeCandy

yesandno's #63 is making a lot of sense to me too. Aren't O's guys a bunch of evil conniving SOB's? Shit, they need Blago in there to complete the team. BTW, did you know your avatar is missing? :.)

196 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:39:30am

re: #188 MrSilverDragon

Must... refrain... from... dirty... comment...

It's just a chill, dude.

197 BRUTUS  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:39:32am

re: #152 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I propose a compromise.

Take all the money for the Palis and all the money for the VA and put it in a trust.

Now we take all the Veterans and all the Palis and let them fight it out and whoever wins, gets the whole thing.

How about taking all the money earmarked for the palis and giving it to the VA?

198 ladycatnip  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:39:43am

#129 buzzsawmonkey

#89 ladycatnip

This guy is making a mistake every 30 seconds. How long before the media and his adoring public shove him and his cronies under the proverbial bus?

A very, very long time, if ever. What we are seeing is a divide and conquer strategy.

A hundred little outrages in a very short time; it's a blitz. And each segment of society will have its own particular outrage to deal with, each dear to its own heart. The sheer number of them will prevent any sort of unified, organized, strong opposition from forming--and in the absence of a unified opposition, each small outraged constituency can be mollified, bought off, or steamrollered as they choose.

I'm sitting here stunned by your post because I have a sick feeling it's true. Have we been too blind to see what these people are up to? It is a very plausible tactic - to wear out your opposition to the point of apathy or as you say, divide and conquer.

Could be a Machiavellian or a Marxist tactic, or both.

199 Racer X  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:39:48am

re: #172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Now I am starting to understand Michelle Obama's view a little better. It's not feelin' real good right now to be an American.

Sorry dude. It will take a lot more than this to make me feel that way.

200 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:39:49am

I need a "What the f*ck?!?" macro for my computer after 2 months of this no talent ass-clown.

201 realwest  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:40:05am

re: #88 kingkenrod
I'd suggest you read #160 by yma o hyd about how Great Britain treats IT'S wounded warriors.

202 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:40:06am

What are the chances 0bama will come out and say, "Someone in my administration floated what idea?"

203 The Other Les  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:40:09am

re: #177 Gretchen

Me too, at least Bill and Hill weren't out to destroy the economy and the media while biased, didn't worship them. Bill's supporters supported him, they didn't post creepy pictures of his face all over cars and t-shirts. That's the most worrisome part, the devotion.

Just to repeat an idea I had:

Instead of having a tea party on April 15th, our annual tax day, let us instead have a Grape Kool-Aid party. Firstly to acknowledge the intimate connection between the ruling Democratic Party and the People's Temple. Secondly to acknowledge that the ruling Democratic Party and the Federal Government is now headed by a messianic socialist who is now leading his party and our nation to destruction. And thirdly as an open invitation to the ruling Democratic Party to simply GO AWAY! PERMANENTLY!

Grape Kool-Aid can be served at Tax Day demonstrations. Alternatively, packets of Grape Kool-Aid can anonymously slipped under the windshield wipers of cars displaying Obama stickers or into the mail slots and mailboxes of homes that still display Obama yard signs. (I live next door to one.) Again as an invitation to go away.

204 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:40:22am

re: #185 Nadnerb

Wait. So he wants everyone to have free health care EXCEPT INJURED SOLDIERS? This guy HATES the milltary and will try to castrate it every step of the way. Shame on him.

Even the terrorists at Gitmo get free health care. I guess they rank above our veterans in Dear Leaders esteem.
*Spit*

205 Racer X  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:40:36am

re: #181 FrogMarch

Just about every move the O admin makes is a set up, a grand scheme, and a manipulation to push us further down the road to socialism.

ding ding ding!

206 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:40:37am

re: #193 Racer X


You are saying those who have not yet received their share of the booty are getting a little testy?

This is not a good sign at all.


I think that's exactly what's going on.

207 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:40:53am

re: #191 RaiderDan

Gee, I hope the forward aid stations and combat medics take Blue Cross/Blue Shield....

I think M*A*S*H 4077th is "in-network"

But the 8063rd is out of my plan, dammit...

Suicide is painless.

208 screaming_eagle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:41:01am

re: #202 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What are the chances 0bama will come out and say, "Someone in my administration floated what idea?"

NONE

209 godfrey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:41:02am

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey

Yah, perhaps so...

210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:41:12am

re: #199 Racer X

Good point. Retraction (thought I was being pithy)...

211 rabidsquirrel  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:41:23am

re: #152 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I propose a compromise.

Take all the money for the Palis and all the money for the VA and put it in a trust.

Now we take all the Veterans and all the Palis and let them fight it out and whoever wins, gets the whole thing.

Just to be fair, we should limit it to WWII veterans. And tell them to hold back a little.

212 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:41:29am

re: #155 astronmr20

Breaking:
FBI raids Obama Appointee's office

Already discussed a couple threads back.

213 MJ  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:41:37am

Guess who said,

""These young men go off to war. They are motivated. They have volunteered. ... And then we turn around and don't take care of them,".... "It's outrageous. I don't know how people sleep at night. I don't get it.".

Give up?

Full quote:

Clinton: Treatment of troops 'outrageous'

FORT DRUM, N.Y. -- One by one, their eyes on Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, more than 40 soldiers recited a somber roll call: name, rank, company and where in Iraq or Afghanistan they had been wounded.

Later, after hearing their tales of chaos, confusion and shabby treatment by the military health care system, Clinton vowed to send her own staff here to help.

"These young men go off to war. They are motivated. They have volunteered. ... And then we turn around and don't take care of them," Clinton told USA TODAY late Tuesday. "It's outrageous. I don't know how people sleep at night. I don't get it."

Clinton, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, has spent the week highlighting the medical needs of soldiers and veterans leading up to a hearing today on their problems by her committee and the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee. ...
[Link: findarticles.com...]

214 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:41:40am

re: #130 lawhawk I plan on writing a letter to my local rep about this issue. He has just been designated a Blue Dog and he is BIG with the military. I think he will see this the way we do.

215 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:42:01am

re: #196 MandyManners

It's just a chill, dude.

Just flashing back to my 3 year old mind, is all.

216 Gretchen  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:42:09am

re: #117 Racer X

This administration has no intention of increasing private healthcare in any form. Period.

This is a setup.

I guarantee it.


Will private policies cover injuries incurred while in the military? Don't they often dis-allow on the job injuries? It could be a set up to demonize private insurers as anti-military when coverage is denied. It kind of fits the narrative doesn't it> Restoring Responsibility and all. Puke.

217 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:42:17am

re: #175 'Nam Grunt

I'm a Disabled Veteran, and if not for the VA I would be living in a dumpster and have my dignity tossed AGAIN by the liberals, guess I better start looking for a dumpster, huh?

Save up - methinks rent for dumpsters is going to skyrocket soon.

218 Kragar  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:42:19am

re: #166 Kosh's Shadow

Great idea. We also get rid of a bunch of terrorists in the process.
Unless we let the 0 set the rules of engagement.

0 can be on the field as a observer

219 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:42:20am

I think as a nation we would be better off if Obama just started flipping a coin in the Oval Office.

220 realwest  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:42:22am

re: #175 'Nam Grunt
NEVER FUCKING HAPPEN. IF Obama gets away with this BULLSHIT - you contact me and you've got a place to live FREE OF CHARGE.
It's the least vets can do for each other.

221 Amer-I-Can  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:42:29am

Clinton pulled this crap after Desert Storm. I got kicked to the curb by the Army as part of BJ's cost reduction plan. If not for the VA I would have been majorly screwed.

This POS will be barking up a tree he can't hope to climb if he tries to push this forward. PLEASE PRESIDENT OBAMA, PUSH THIS ONE HARD!

OTO, OTO, OTO

222 Empire1  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:43:22am

re: #134 realwest

You don't have to, I will: VA healthcare is a fucking joke in almost every VA facility in the country.
Texas seems to be an exception to this rule.
The nation seems to think the G.I. is great in time of War, but is something to be disregarded and forgotten when the war is over.
Wish I had that Rudyard Kipling poem about "Tommy" handy right now.

At your service!

TOMMY

by Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936)

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

223 realwest  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:43:39am

re: #161 SasquatchOnSteroids Mind if I join you? Fuck Obama.

224 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:43:44am

re: #219 bulwrk

I think as a nation we would be better off if Obama just started flipping a coin in the Oval Office.

Probably. It'd at least be a 50-50 thing. Better than he's doing right now.

225 turn  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:43:44am

re: #129 buzzsawmonkey

That is very wise buzz, it all doesn't make sense ON PURPOSE! Evil conniving bastards, the lot of them.

226 capitalist piglet  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:44:01am

re: #198 ladycatnip

#129 buzzsawmonkey


I'm sitting here stunned by your post because I have a sick feeling it's true. Have we been too blind to see what these people are up to? It is a very plausible tactic - to wear out your opposition to the point of apathy or as you say, divide and conquer.

Could be a Machiavellian or a Marxist tactic, or both.

I started noticing a pattern back when all the ACORN outrage was going on. I think the Left is deliberately trying to undermine confidence in all the institutions and concepts we have taken for granted as Americans - free and fair elections being one of the most obvious ones.

Our elections, our economy, our national security...you can just tick down the list and see these attacks coming from the Left on all of them - it's like a scatter shot.

227 A.W.  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:44:07am

Okay, so I am confused on how to see this.

The first is to chortle that when it really mattered and they wanted to save costs, they said, "screw government coverage, let's go into the private sector."

Or did they instead believe that governmen coverage is superior, etc. and they just don't care about the troops.

I hope it is the first one, but then i really find obama's plan to destroy the health care insurance industry very hard to understand.

228 jjmckay1216  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:44:12am

I am now wishing for the day he takes a day of andf just STFU. He has done more to destroy this country in 2 months then Dems have done since the beginning. Hey Hussain. Relax, take the shirt off, BODY SURF for chrissakes

sorry rant off

229 nyc redneck  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:44:24am

re: #83 astronmr20

I miss George Bush.

so does our military.
they know who has their back.

230 Dustyvet  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:44:27am

re: #219 bulwrk

I think as a nation we would be better off if Obama just started flipping a coin in the Oval Office.

I think he's using one of those magic 8 ball things...


/S

231 Right mind left  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:44:27am

re: #62 Steve Rogers

But Sec. of State Hillary Clinton wants to give the Palestinians millions of dollars to go to school in American universities. But money to help wounded U.S. Vets? Well, we all know what the Democrats really think about them, now don't we!

So the admin will have a policy to pay the hospital bills for all the casualties we cause in any of these actions...all the Taliban and anyone else!

Down is UP in the New World.

232 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:44:28am

We have these cunning plans to destroy our institutions, and the appearance of total incompetence on the part of the administration by their "curious" picks for cabinet and other positions.

Could some other group be positioning itself to come in to save the country from all this?
Or am I just being paranoid?

233 MikeAlv77  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:44:28am

re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Top this...

I wish Hillary Clinton was President.

My cat would make a better President that the 0-man... Actually my cat's hairball's would make a better president...

234 Racer X  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:44:48am

re: #206 Killgore Trout

I think that's exactly what's going on.

This president needs to put his foot down and remind assholes like Pelosi, Reid, et al exactly who is in charge. The only thing worse than a socialist president is a socialist president who has lost all control.

235 Kaymad  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:45:04am

Well, VA care isn't the greatest. My husband is a 60 percent disabled vet, we went to the VA about 3 years ago, his back was so bad that he couldn't stand up straight and I had to practically carry him through the ER doors. They hardly examined him, after several trips they finally ordered an MRI, the MRI department was suppose to send us an appointment date. 3 years later we're still waiting on the appointment. Luckily his back seemed to have cleared up on its own and that was the last time he used the VA. I've tried to tell people that the military is a great example of socialized health care...but people only think 'free' and that's all that matters.

Several years ago our clinic was so short on doctors due to Iraq rotations that you could not get an appointment for weeks on end. My daughter had been sick for a week and I called daily for an appointment...only after throwing a fit was she seen, she had pneumonia. One other time we took her to the ER because she fell while roller skating...they took an x-ray, told us it wasn't broken and sent us on our way. On my way home they called and said someone had misread the x-ray and to please come back because it was broken...

I could go on with other stories...such as giving birth in a military facility with an extreme shortage of staff, I practically gave birth by myself. THAT'S what everyone gets to look forward to with Obamacare.

236 godfrey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:45:30am

re: #232 Kosh's Shadow

They could be grooming you for the overall destruction of US sovereignty.

237 UFO TOFU  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:46:34am

re: #213 MJ

Later, after hearing their tales of chaos, confusion and shabby treatment by the military health care system, Clinton vowed to send her own staff here to help.


I wonder how that worked out.

238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:46:50am

re: #235 Kaymad

Hi Kay! Thank your husband for us. And thanks for being a steadfast soldiers wife.

239 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:47:06am

re: #26 Sharmuta

The entire DNC convention was about how the dems were going to take care of the veterans. Fucking hypocritical panderers.

You repeat yourself.

240 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:47:29am

re: #236 godfrey

They could be grooming you for the overall destruction of US sovereignty.

The way the 0 likes the UN, I'd wonder if they were behind it, but I don't think they're competent, either.

241 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:47:39am

re: #183 doppelganglander

I was even doing all I could to say, "Hey, I am going to throw support behind my president til he does something stupid..."

A day, if not sooner, after his inauguration...he blew it.

242 jjmckay1216  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:47:43am

re: #234 Racer X

This president needs to put his foot down and remind assholes like Pelosi, Reid, et al exactly who is in charge. The only thing worse than a socialist president is a socialist president who has lost all control.

hard to do IF u have never managed any employees

243 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:48:08am

The man is insane, or pure evil.
From the links:
Obama’s Folly, Amnesty Babies, And The Rest Of The Stem Cell Story

"America, we’ve been duped; from our president, our fourth estate, and sadly even some of our scientists. President Obama’s lifting of the ban on federal funding for ESC research this week, albeit heart wrenching, was expected. What wasn’t expected, nor reported in the MSM , was the “under the radar” revocation of funding for alternative stem cell research, Executive Order 13435 (June 20, 2007), by President George W. Bush.

I don’t know about you, but my head is spinning! I keep asking myself what I might be missing, but so far everything I read or research turns up the same. Are we really going to stop funding the ethical, ground breaking progress in ethical alternatives, and instead, fund the “unethical obsolete” embryonic research that involves the destruction of human embryos?"

I repeat what I wrote in the links: Holy s**t.

244 turn  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:48:30am

re: #193 Racer X

Interesting.

You are saying those who have not yet received their share of the booty are getting a little testy?

This is not a good sign at all.

KG does make another good observation, too many hypothesis for turn to keep up with! buzz's is the doomsday scenario IMO.

245 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:48:47am

re: #175 'Nam Grunt

I'm a Disabled Veteran, and if not for the VA I would be living in a dumpster and have my dignity tossed AGAIN by the liberals, guess I better start looking for a dumpster, huh?

re: #223 realwest

I thank you both for your service and protection.
None of you deserve even the idea of this. None of you.

246 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:48:48am

If only Rush Limbaugh would shut up, none of this would be happening.
///

247 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:48:52am

How about making Nancy Pelosi pay for her own airline tickets?

248 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:49:31am

re: #247 Alouette

How about making Nancy Pelosi pay for her own airline tickets plastic surgery?

FTFY

249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:49:36am

re: #241 Oh no...Sand People!

Me too. I was actually saying it.

Done.

250 Dustyvet  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:49:55am

In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
Mark Twain

251 horse  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:50:05am

re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay, time to throw this in again...

Remember the hissy fit that people had when Sarah Palin wanted private insurance to pay for rape kits, etc.?

She did? Wasn't that shown to be another bogus leftist claim?

252 joncelli  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:50:27am

re: #235 Kaymad

I wish everybody pulling for socialized health care could see this message. That would damp down the enthusiasm right quick.

253 Desert Dog  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:51:09am

re: #211 rabidsquirrel

Just to be fair, we should limit it to WWII veterans. And tell them to hold back a little.

With our new health plan, you older folks are costing us too much money. May we suggest you die, so we can spend our healthcare dollars on younger people?

/

254 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:51:15am

re: #173 realwest

Thank you for that comment {yma}. It is illuminating to say the least.

It has upset so many people that they've set up a charity, to at least get one rehabilitation home up and running, privately.

We despise our government for many things- but most of all for the way they have treated the lads in our Armed Forces while sending them to war.
There will soon be a day of reckoning.

255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:51:15am

re: #251 horse

May be. I just remembered the story.

Actually, I remember the reaction to the story.

256 ladycatnip  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:51:18am

#234 Racer X

This president needs to put his foot down and remind assholes like Pelosi, Reid, et al exactly who is in charge. The only thing worse than a socialist president is a socialist president who has lost all control.

Or a socialist president who never had control in the first place, because he's being controlled. It's the man behind the curtain.

257 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:51:22am
258 Dustyvet  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:51:29am

It is easy to take liberty for granted, when you have never had it taken from you.
Dick Cheney

259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:51:41am

re: #253 Desert Dog

RUN, LOGAN. RUN!

260 CalBear84  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:51:56am

IMPEACH!

261 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:51:59am

When I'm using big live minnows as bait, I always need to remind myself to let the big one run with the bait for a little bit before setting the hook. That way they have a chance to turn it and the hook will be much less likely to dislodge when the time is right.

This is kind of how I feel now about Obama - be patient and give him some more line...

262 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:52:22am

Got to go Lizards. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for all your support for the military! You guys and gals rock; it is so nice to know that there is a community of logical, like minded people out there!

263 realwest  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:52:35am

re: #222 Empire1
Thank you very much for that. I truly appreciate it.

264 A.W.  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:52:48am

re: #251 horse

She did? Wasn't that shown to be another bogus leftist claim?

It was and wasn't. there may have been a rule on the books, never enforced, that said that for a while. why anyone expects her to know if it is beyond me.

265 capitalist piglet  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:53:13am

re: #251 horse

She did? Wasn't that shown to be another bogus leftist claim?

If memory serves (and it may not): I think it was policy in Wasilla before she was mayor, and it was in place while she was there (to have rape kits covered by insurance) - the story was way overblown, in any case. I'd have to go back and look that stuff up.

266 yesandno  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:53:23am

re: #253 Desert Dog

With our new health plan, you older folks are costing us too much money. May we suggest you die, so we can spend our healthcare dollars on younger people?

/

Right out of Daschel's playbook! A way to save money to pay for Octomom or the illegals trip to the emergency room for that cold.

267 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:53:41am

re: #83 astronmr20

I miss George Bush.

re: #106 Kosh's Shadow

I even miss Bill Clinton.

I miss Dick Cheney and wish he would have run.

268 godfrey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:53:58am

re: #243 Taqiyyotomist

Obama *revoked* funding for alternative stem cell research? The research that has been so productive?!

He is revolting to every molecule of human feeling.

My contempt for him just dropped to an even deeper level.

269 Josephine  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:54:02am

The man has no class. None whatsoever.

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:54:32am

re: #269 Josephine

Cue Fat Albert.

271 Desert Dog  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:54:37am

re: #266 yesandno

Right out of Daschel's playbook! A way to save money to pay for Octomom or the illegals trip to the emergency room for that cold.

When Dr. Kervorkian starts up his new company, I suggest you buy stock. (If you can stand the blood all over your profits)

272 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:54:42am

re: #267 Sharmuta

Cheney and Rove 2012. I'd like to see the moonbat heads explode.

273 Earick  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:55:02am

re: #48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry FB! You are as nuts as them!
We vets finally got a VA to be proud of... under Bush!

Still getting used to my new hip! My treatment was first class and it gave me a chance to be with the young vets just starting to come to grips with their injuries.
I shared a room with four other vets. Two from WWII and two from Iraq. I am of the Vietnam era.
Sharing pain and stories help the young ones face their future with pride. Watching an old vet try to learn how to walk again gives the young vet the nuts to get up beside that old dude and try out his new prosthetics. Those first steps need to be taken with men he respects. Men he would rather fall down in front of then not try at all.

AND NOBODY CALLS HIM A BABY KILLER IN THAT HOSPITAL!

274 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:55:03am

re: #243 Taqiyyotomist

The man is insane, or pure evil.
From the links:
Obama’s Folly, Amnesty Babies, And The Rest Of The Stem Cell Story


I repeat what I wrote in the links: Holy s**t.

Gee, what a shock this wasn't picked up by the MSM.

275 Kragar  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:55:05am

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

RUN, LOGAN. RUN!

You've got the same chances as anyone. CAROUSEL!

276 Josephine  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:55:13am

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cue Fat Albert.

I don't get it!

277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:55:36am

Can you imagine Tony Snow in that White House?

278 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:55:42am

I have these visions of our troops coming home, not under orders from Washington, to liberate us.

279 JustABill  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:55:56am

This gives businesses, especially small businesses a reason not to hire vets.

280 DisturbedEma  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:56:08am

re: #273 Earick

Sorry FB! You are as nuts as them!
We vets finally got a VA to be proud of... under Bush!

Still getting used to my new hip! My treatment was first class and it gave me a chance to be with the young vets just starting to come to grips with their injuries.
I shared a room with four other vets. Two from WWII and two from Iraq. I am of the Vietnam era.
Sharing pain and stories help the young ones face their future with pride. Watching an old vet try to learn how to walk again gives the young vet the nuts to get up beside that old dude and try out his new prosthetics. Those first steps need to be taken with men he respects. Men he would rather fall down in front of then not try at all.

AND NOBODY CALLS HIM A BABY KILLER IN THAT HOSPITAL!

Amen

281 i4cu2  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:56:21am

I am a 100% disabled veteran. My wife has insurance through her work and I am covered. We have a somewhat high deductibles. I think our out of pocket per person/family is 2k. Under b o would I have to pay my insurance limits before I could get my VA benefits? I realize this plan will be dead on arrival this time. I am just wondering what the full implication of this plan if it was ever enacted.

282 Former SSG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:56:29am

MObama is in Ft Bragg this afternoon, in a quest to prove she cares about military families. I hope someone brings this up!

283 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:56:35am

re: #79 Jetpilot1101

Mandy, may I?

I hope all those people who didn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now!

Uh Oh! - you've just siphoned off some of Mandys Karma gold. Look out for the *whacking*

284 yesandno  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:56:41am

re: #271 Desert Dog

When Dr. Kervorkian starts up his new company, I suggest you buy stock. (If you can stand the blood all over your profits)

oops....looks like I forgot the sarc tag.....
I hope that it is the same for you!

285 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:56:43am

Wasn't Shinseki one of those generals forced out early in W's administration, because he didn't agree with Rummy's force modernization plans? I'm wondering what his reasoning is here.

286 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:56:48am

52 days. 52 mistakes.

287 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:56:51am

We are indeed living in dark times when Sen. Patty "Osama built daycare centers" Murray is making more sense than the POTUS.

288 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:56:54am

re: #137 Oh no...Sand People!

Obama, why do you hate America? Aside from letting you become arguably the most powerful person in the world...why the angst? What did America ever do to you to deserve this animus and rancor? You have success! America allowed the conditions to exist for you to succeed. Nowhere else would have allowed you to do what you have done. Yet now you pull one of the most depraved and vile tactics ever. Politicizing those who gave all they had to give. Politicizing those who allowed you to take advantage of all that America has to offer by ensuring it is a safe place to do so. What thanks do you offer? Cheap chicago thug political cheapshots.

Weak.

Just wanted to repeat this- it was well said.

289 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:57:03am
290 zombie  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:57:07am

We at the Obama administration would like to unveil, at last, what we all have been waiting for:

Universal* Health Insurance

* Applies to everyone currently residing in or visiting the United States, except for the following groups: Wounded veterans; employed people; rich** people; self-employed people; hell, let's just make that all veterans; people stupid enough to already have their own insurance; people with chronic ailments -- we're looking at you, wounded veterans; and in general anyone not on our database of people who voted for Obama.

** "Rich" is defined as anyone smart enough not to live hand-to-mouth.

291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:57:15am

re: #273 Earick

I believe the phrase was "Am I stupid". To which you have answered my question clearly. Thanks.

But I get your point. Thanks for clarifying it for me.

292 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:57:54am

re: #267 Sharmuta

I miss Dick Cheney and wish he would have run.

I agree, but I don't know if his health would have allowed. He'd sure scare the shit out of our enemies. He's a no BS kind of guy.

293 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:57:57am

re: #206 Killgore Trout

I think that's exactly what's going on.

I don't
I think its a one-two. Like this:
Vets to pay privately for their health care - oh, you don't like that?
Well - they are no different than other people, lets give all people state health care, problem solved ...

As for the outcome of such healthcare for vets - one look at the UK will show you how that is handled in a socialist state, which has to save money, because thats needed for all those poor people on welfare handouts ...

294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:58:02am

re: #276 Josephine

I don't get it!

Old "Fat Albert Show" line...
"Man, Obama is like school in the summer; No Class."

295 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:58:04am

A few days ago, Obama gave a speech in front of the Marines at Camp Lejeune. They gave him his only heartfelt applause when he promised to boost their pay.

Maybe he would like to go back there and announce this new policy? I'm sure there response will be even more "enthusiastic!"

296 Sheepdogess  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:58:04am

Just another f*** you to the military.

297 CalBear84  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:58:27am

re: #272 Van Helsing
ahhhh....the smell of moonbat heads exploding in the morning

298 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:58:37am

re: #129 buzzsawmonkey

A very, very long time, if ever. What we are seeing is a divide and conquer strategy.

A hundred little outrages in a very short time; it's a blitz. And each segment of society will have its own particular outrage to deal with, each dear to its own heart. The sheer number of them will prevent any sort of unified, organized, strong opposition from forming--and in the absence of a unified opposition, each small outraged constituency can be mollified, bought off, or steamrollered as they choose.

I am currently reading (finally) Atlas Shrugged, having moved it to the top of my reading list when its sudden popularity attained when Obama won the election caught my attention. Even though I have barely gotten into it, I am seeing parallels with so many things.
As I work my way through the 1100 odd pages, in the moments that I actually have to read, I am trying to come up with impressions and insights about it that I post on my blog. I suspect that my insights about that book might only reach the level of Alan Dean Foster in a William Faulker world, but I don't much care about that. I do care that Obama seems to be leading us down a path that many of us recognize for the false promise that it is.

299 horse  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:58:52am

re: #79 Jetpilot1101

Mandy, may I?

I hope all those people who didn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now!

I agree, I voted for him in the election even though he was not my first, second or third republican pick. Hell, I didn't agree with a lot of his actions in the past, but he was triple fudge moose tracks extra creamy ice cream compared to the flavorless and watery shaved ice that was elected.

I would also add to the list those who wouldn't vote for Romney in the primaries cause he was Mormon (I thought he would do better than McCain on the economic issues), and those who didn't vote for the ticket because they didn't like Palin for various reasons.

300 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:58:52am

re: #286 lawhawk

52 days. 52 mistakes.

ONLY 52?

301 Josephine  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:59:00am

re: #279 JustABill

This gives businesses, especially small businesses a reason not to hire vets.

It gives people a reason not to serve their country. What if they need prosthetic limbs or long-term physiotherapy? What if they lose their vision, etc? Those sacrifices are great enough without having to be bankrupted for the rest of your life (or your family members' lives, if they have to help you out) or simply unable to access certain necessary services. How many private insurance plans cover everything?

It's disgusting.

Low, cheap, tacky, O.

302 gymmom  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:59:11am

re: #267 Sharmuta

I miss Dick Cheney and wish he would have run.

I read Stephen Hayes' biography of Dick Cheney (all 500+ pages) and my respect and admiration of him only grew. He has the intellect, knowledge, discipline and the patience to get the job (any job) done.

303 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:59:20am

re: #219 bulwrk

I think as a nation we would be better off if Obama just started flipping a coin in the Oval Office.

What makes you think he's not doing this already?

304 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:59:24am

re: #273 Earick

I wish I could ding that up more than once.

305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:59:40am

re: #283 DaddyG

Uh Oh! - you've just siphoned off some of Mandys Karma gold. Look out for the *whacking*

I don't think Mandy'd mind it if 330,000,000 Americans were shouting that phrase from windows.

306 The Other Les  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:59:46am

re: #278 Taqiyyotomist

I have these visions of our troops coming home, not under orders from Washington, to liberate us.

Steven M. Barry, the editor and publisher of THE RESISTER prior to the 2000 election recommended to his readers that they vote for AlGore so that the armed forces would be pushed into carrying out a Pinochet type military coup.

I didn't follow that suggestion.

307 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:00:02am

re: #285 Ward Cleaver

Wasn't Shinseki one of those generals forced out early in W's administration, because he didn't agree with Rummy's force modernization plans? I'm wondering what his reasoning is here.

Are you thinking about Gen. Shalikashvili?

308 vxbush  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:00:18am

If the MSM wants to seal themselves in their own coffin by not reporting important stories and glossing over stories like this one, I say I hope they enjoy their silk box. Because they aren't coming out.

I'm so angry today I could puke.

309 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:00:25am

re: #281 i4cu2

Thank you for your service & your sacrifice.

This idea demonstrates the utter indifference Obama has for the US military.

310 DisturbedEma  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:00:32am

re: #300 Kosh's Shadow

ONLY 52?


Um, new math under the 'spend your way out of a recession" mentality. . .52 mistakes + Bush = 0

311 Desert Dog  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:00:33am

re: #284 yesandno

oops....looks like I forgot the sarc tag.....
I hope that it is the same for you!

I would not be surprised to see euthanasia being pushed if we get the socialized medical insurance the left all wants. It's happening in part of Europe.

I am not one to support suicide, especially if it's institutionalized by the friggin' government. Hard to say how I would react if I knew I was going to die a horrible death with some disease though. I would think I would fight until my last breath, but you never know until you get there.

312 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:00:38am

re: #307 MandyManners

Are you thinking about Gen. Shalikashvili?

No, I'm sure it was Shinseki.

313 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:00:38am

re: #302 gymmom

I read Stephen Hayes' biography of Dick Cheney (all 500+ pages) and my respect and admiration of him only grew. He has the intellect, knowledge, discipline and the patience to get the job (any job) done.

He makes 0bama look like a toddler in diapers.

314 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:00:43am

re: #303 yma o hyd

He's not flipping coins, unless it's a loaded coin that always comes up with VI Lenin's head on it.

315 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:00:45am

re: #241 Oh no...Sand People!

I was even doing all I could to say, "Hey, I am going to throw support behind my president til he does something stupid..."

A day, if not sooner, after his inauguration...he blew it.

I am not the optimist you are. I knew exactly what he was going to do, based on his words and actions (not his gauzy campaign rhetoric). I've been hoping for his failure from day one, because if he succeeds the country will be so badly damaged, if not destroyed, we'll be fifty years in fixing it.

316 realwest  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:00:57am

re: #254 yma o hyd
I hope you're right yma. But we set up a private charity for Vietnam Vets in NYC to help them find work
(according to the US Department of Labor, Vietnam Vets in NYC were SEVEN TIMES more likely to be unemployed than our non-veteran age peers). When it was over, the eight of us had found full time jobs for over 4,000 Vietnam Era Vets in NYC - a job the damn VA was supposed to be doing but didn't.
We took care of each other over there and we did it again back here.

317 Dustyvet  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:01:18am

re: #296 Sheepdogess

Just another f*** you to the military.

And to Veterans...

318 Josephine  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:01:20am

re: #294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Old "Fat Albert Show" line...
"Man, Obama is like school in the summer; No Class."

Aha, thanks! We used to watch that but I just remember the tag line, "Hey, hey, hey, it's Faaaaat Albert!"

319 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:01:28am

re: #288 Sharmuta

Thanks. I just think of my Dad and what he has had to do with trips to the VA and what would have happened if the option wasn't there.

320 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:01:36am

re: #287 Occasional Reader

They weren't day care centers, they were just caves where he hid his wives.

321 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:01:36am

re: #305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't think Mandy'd mind it if 330,000,000 Americans were shouting that phrase from windows.

You are correct of course. I just couldn't pass up an opportunity to tease a fellow lizard. :-)

322 Catttt  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:01:37am

I honestly think that President O somehow missed the essential American thing a kid gets during his early years - the thing that teaches them how many states there are so that every damn idiot knows it. It's like the old song - don't tug on Superman's cape, don't spit in the wind - President O is on another page.

What, however, is the excuse of his support staff, that they would allow him to float this for a New York minute? Are they insane?

323 i4cu2  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:01:52am

re: 280

The quality of care at my VA hospitals ( Martinez and Palo Alto) nose dived under clinton. Under Bush the hospitals and quality of service improved dramatically. I personally wasn't happy with Bush on more than a few issues but The Prez made damn sure that the VA system was better under his tenure than clinton.

324 zombie  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:02:11am

I think that underlying this proposal is a message to all our soldiers wounded in battle:

"Why didn't you just die, you war-mongering imperialist?"

325 bulwrk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:02:16am

re: #303 yma o hyd

What makes you think he's not doing this already?

Because flipping a coin means you would be right some of the time.

326 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:02:43am

I hope all you Americans who steeped your kids in pop culture, television and movies for 3 generations are f***ing happy now!

327 Racer X  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:02:53am

re: #289 buzzsawmonkey

I dunno Buzz. If Barry cannot even get his own believers on the same page, anarchy is next up.

328 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:02:54am

re: #312 Ward Cleaver

No, I'm sure it was Shinseki.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

329 Josephine  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:03:12am

re: #324 zombie

I think that underlying this proposal is a message to all our soldiers wounded in battle:

"Why didn't you just die, you war-mongering imperialist?"

You left out "occupier".

/

330 SummerSong  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:03:29am

I am glad Bernie did not "made off" with my $.

Still, I hope he burns in hell.

331 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:03:38am

I've visited the tomb of the Unknown Soldier. A hundred years from now my great-grandkids can visit the tomb of the Assclown President.

332 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:04:06am

re: #313 Sharmuta

He makes 0bama look like a toddler the stuff you find in diapers.

FTFY

333 realwest  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:04:28am

re: #273 Earick
Don't know where you're from Earick and I'm very pleased to hear your story. But I've been to the VA in two different states and it was the exact opposite experience for me. Exact except it wasn't my hip. And you're right nobody called us baby killers - but then again they were so understaffed hardly anyone from the VA said anything to us at all.

334 Desert Dog  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:04:43am

re: #330 SummerSong

I am glad Bernie did not "made off" with my $.

Still, I hope he burns in hell.

I see you invested your billions in other markets, as I did too....(if I had billions, millions, thousands, hundreds, etc, etc)

335 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:05:11am

re: #54 screaming_eagle

The maddening thing is that they would even consider such a idea, not weather it would pass or not. You'd think it would expose their double-speak, but since it will not get MSM coverage few will know of it.

I hate to mention this, but the article above is CNN. Neither of us would know about this, if not for the "MSM".

336 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:05:13am

Well, I was completely wrong about the nature of Shinseki's disagreement with Rumsfeld. From his Wikipedia article:

Shinseki publicly clashed with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld during the planning of the war in Iraq over how many troops the U.S. would need to keep in Iraq for the postwar occupation of that country. As Army Chief of Staff, General Shinseki testified to the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee that "something in the order of several hundred thousand soldiers" would probably be required for postwar Iraq. This was an estimate far higher than the figure being proposed by Secretary Rumsfeld in his invasion plan, and it was rejected in strong language by both Rumsfeld and his Deputy Secretary of Defense, Paul Wolfowitz, who was another chief planner of the invasion and occupation.[2] From then on, Shinseki's influence on the Joint Chiefs of Staff reportedly waned.[3] The end of his term of Army Chief of Staff came in June 2003, just three months after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, and at that time General Shinseki retired from the Army after 38 years of military service.

When the insurgency took hold in postwar Iraq, Shinseki's comments and their public rejection by the civilian leadership were often cited by those who felt the Bush administration deployed too few troops to Iraq.[4] On November 15, 2006, in testimony before Congress, CENTCOM Commander Gen. John Abizaid said that General Shinseki had been correct that more troops were needed.[4]

337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:05:21am

re: #331 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I've visited the tomb of the Unknown Soldier. A hundred years from now my great-grandkids can visit the tomb of the Assclown President.

Funny. I visited the "Tomb of the Unknowns" several years ago. I was so pissed off when I left... the lack of decorum among the throng on that sacred ground just floored me.

I'm not a sacred ground kind of guy either.

338 Catttt  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:05:25am

I miss having a grownup in office.

339 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:05:41am

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340 azul93gt  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:06:02am

US soldiers must pay their hospital bills resulting from injuries, which occurred in the line of duty, but GITMO terrorists will get 5 star hotel service and "free healthcare" payed for by the US citizens gratitude of the Obama left.

341 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:06:07am

re: #289 buzzsawmonkey

A Balkanized government may not be the best government

Yugo your way, I'll go mine. It may be a Split, but there's no need to Bor each other with the details.

342 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:06:26am

re: #273 Earick

Sorry FB! You are as nuts as them!
We vets finally got a VA to be proud of... under Bush!

Still getting used to my new hip! My treatment was first class and it gave me a chance to be with the young vets just starting to come to grips with their injuries.
I shared a room with four other vets. Two from WWII and two from Iraq. I am of the Vietnam era.
Sharing pain and stories help the young ones face their future with pride. Watching an old vet try to learn how to walk again gives the young vet the nuts to get up beside that old dude and try out his new prosthetics. Those first steps need to be taken with men he respects. Men he would rather fall down in front of then not try at all.

AND NOBODY CALLS HIM A BABY KILLER IN THAT HOSPITAL!


Exactly!
Thank you for that!

Thats why people here are in despair about the closing of military hospitals - and at a time when there are so many ijnured, thanks to the 'savings' made everywhere in the budgets of our Armed Forces by the neostalinist NuLab government.

Because how can a young lad recover properly when people next to him call him murderer and worse?

343 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:06:29am

re: #334 Desert Dog

I see you invested your billions in other markets, as I did too....(if I had billions, millions, thousands, hundreds, etc, etc)

I've started a new investment company as a hedge to the markets. Send me cash and I will put it in my mattress for a mere 5% a year. That way you will come out ahead of the market during the Obama administration.

//

344 Desert Dog  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:06:33am

re: #331 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I've visited the tomb of the Unknown Soldier. A hundred years from now my great-grandkids can visit the tomb of the Assclown President.

You take him to Mt. Rushmore too. I am sure his image will be chiseled up there too.......Perhaps they can carve his image using Teddy's face? He is, afterall, the GREATEST PRESIDENT IN OUR HISTORY!

/////////////////////

345 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:06:43am

re: #331 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I've visited the tomb of the Unknown Soldier. A hundred years from now my great-grandkids can visit the tomb of the Assclown President.

You're implying that The One is a mere mortal?!

GUARDS! SEIZE HIM!

346 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:07:05am

re: #341 Occasional Reader

Yugo your way, I'll go mine. It may be a Split, but there's no need to Bor each other with the details.

I'll Latt you get away with that.

347 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:07:06am

Madoff goes to jail for massive fraud.
Obama, Dodd, Pelosi, Frank, Raines, and many, many more get away clean.

348 Racer X  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:07:22am

Reflection

349 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:07:31am

re: #340 azul93gt

And "Froot Loops". Don't forget the "Froot Loops".

350 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:07:51am

re: #341 Occasional Reader

Yugo your way, I'll go mine. It may be a Split, but there's no need to Bor each other with the details.

That's a lot of puns you Croated there.

351 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:08:07am

re: #336 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, and a big part of the problem was the moron Bremer managing to ignore just about every successful part of the occupation and normalizing of post-war Germany.

352 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:08:10am

Being a combat veteran wounded in Vietnam, I'm surprised that Shinseki would even float this idea, unless it was Obama's. Shinseki should tell Obama to take the idea and stick it up his ass.

353 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:08:40am

Great News for my day./

The Sears Tower, America's tallest building will be renamed:

Chicago, IL
March 12, 2009

This summer, the Sears Tower will become the Willis Tower.

London-based Willis Group Holdings has announced it will consolidate its five Chicago area offices and move to the Sears Tower. About 500 of its employees will move into the new digs.

Chairman and C.E.O. of Willis Group Holdings, Joseph J. Plumeri, said in a release,

“Having our name associated with Chicago’s most iconic structure underscores our commitment to this great city, and recognizes Chicago’s importance as a major financial hub and international business center."

"We are delighted to be making this bold move and firmly establishing our leading presence in one of the nation’s biggest insurance markets, and it will be wonderful for all our associates to work under one roof.”

Crain’s sister publication Business Insurance says Willis is the world’s third-largest insurance brokerage, with brokerage revenue of $2.46 billion in 2007.

354 screaming_eagle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:08:46am

re: #335 SanFranciscoZionist

I hate to mention this, but the article above is CNN. Neither of us would know about this, if not for the "MSM".

So are you willing to bet $1000 that prime-time CBS,ABC,NBC news as well as newspapers across the country are gonna cover this? You think the President is gonna get asked a question about it? Or do you think this story is just gonna die away with little coverage?

355 turn  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:08:47am

re: #322 Catttt

What, however, is the excuse of his support staff, that they would allow him to float this for a New York minute? Are they insane?

There are about three really good theories upthread -racer, buzz, and KT

356 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:09:01am

re: #344 Desert Dog

You take him to Mt. Rushmore too. I am sure his image will be chiseled up there too.......Perhaps they can carve his image using Teddy's face? He is, afterall, the GREATEST PRESIDENT IN OUR HISTORY!

/////////////////////

No need to carve - The mountain will shape itself out of awe of The 0ne!

357 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:09:06am

re: #175 'Nam Grunt

I'm a Disabled Veteran, and if not for the VA I would be living in a dumpster and have my dignity tossed AGAIN by the liberals, guess I better start looking for a dumpster, huh?

God bless you.

358 DaddyG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:09:13am

re: #337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Funny. I visited the "Tomb of the Unknowns" several years ago. I was so pissed off when I left... the lack of decorum among the throng on that sacred ground just floored me.

I'm not a sacred ground kind of guy either.


That is a shame. Decorum is a lost art for many. Fortunately we were there a couple of summers ago with several school chorus groups (in DC for the largest group singing of the National Anthem ever) and they were very reverent and appreciative of the ceremony. A group of Jr. High kids were even able to place a wreath for the State of Kentucky and they performed their role marvelously.

359 Dustyvet  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:09:14am

re: #316 realwest

I hope you're right yma. But we set up a private charity for Vietnam Vets in NYC to help them find work
(according to the US Department of Labor, Vietnam Vets in NYC were SEVEN TIMES more likely to be unemployed than our non-veteran age peers). When it was over, the eight of us had found full time jobs for over 4,000 Vietnam Era Vets in NYC - a job the damn VA was supposed to be doing but didn't.
We took care of each other over there and we did it again back here.

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother


Henry the Fifth Speech

Youtube Video
360 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:09:17am

The disdain Barry has for the military is breathtaking.

361 Desert Dog  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:09:30am

re: #353 Afrocity

Great News for my day./

The Sears Tower, America's tallest building will be renamed:

What you talkin' about, Willis?

362 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:09:42am

Speaking of assclowns and VA hospitals, did they ever clean up the trash around the gates and Walter Reed?

363 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:09:44am

re: #326 Taqiyyotomist

I hope all you Americans who steeped your kids in pop culture, television and movies for 3 generations are f***ing happy now!

Actually, I am, because my kids are 100% American. They love this country down to their bones, and one of them is currently serving in the military. Of course, my husband and I also taught them real history, not politically correct, smallpox-blanket lies. We made sure they read real American literature along side the comic books. And we talked, talked, talked about the messages pop culture sends and how they've changed over the years. Being literate in new media is an important skill.

364 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:09:46am

re: #346 MandyManners

I'll Latt you get away with that.

I thought you might find these puns Tito-latting.

365 screaming_eagle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:10:03am

re: #335 SanFranciscoZionist

I hate to mention this, but the article above is CNN. Neither of us would know about this, if not for the "MSM".

CNN WAS NOT my first exposure to this story.

366 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:10:08am
367 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:10:26am

re: #364 Occasional Reader

I thought you might find these puns Tito-latting.

That's not abSerb.

368 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:10:26am

re: #345 Occasional Reader

You're implying that The One is a mere mortal?!

GUARDS! SEIZE HIM!

All Hail the Emperor!

Youtube Video
369 zombie  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:10:27am

An elderly relative of mine was shot in the stomach in the Ardennes forest in 1944. Came home from WWII with a bunch of medals -- and medical complications. He is now 89 years old, and he still occasionally goes to the VA hospital for checkups and monitoring. As a wounded veteran, this coverage is of course at no cost to him.

Are you telling me that Obama wants to make him start paying for his own medical care? The insult is so deep, it boggles the mind.

370 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:10:30am

re: #361 Desert Dog

What you talkin' about, Willis?

He said, staring up at a 110-story building.

371 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:10:32am

re: #362 Van Helsing

Speaking of assclowns and VA hospitals, did they ever clean up the trash around the gates and Walter Reed?

Paris Hilton wanted to visit the wounded vets?
/

372 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:10:39am
373 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:10:46am

re: #76 Russkilitlover

Even though I don't think this has a snowball's chance in our lifetime, I DO like the fact that the Obama administration was stupid enough to say they are *considering* it. Might help clear some myopic eyes.

The Bush administration also took from the VA's budget, and attempted to limit veteran health care and eligibility.

I ain't sayin' that makes this good or right. I ain't sayin' it doesn't raise my blood pressure.

But be aware that the problem is bigger than Barack Obama.

374 subsailor68  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:10:52am

OT, but here's something interesting:

U.S. plans for Mexico border violence

From the article:

Rufe said while the violence along the border in Mexico is appalling, violent crimes have not increased in U.S. border cities as a result. He said kidnappings are up, but violent crime is down.

"We're not so concerned, at least at this point, about that violence spilling over into our cities," he said.

Roger Rufe is a top Homeland Security official.

One question, Mr. Rufe - you don't consider kidnappings a potentially violent crime? Please get your head out of your ass.

Thank you.

375 UFO TOFU  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:11:04am

re: #322 Catttt

What, however, is the excuse of his support staff, that they would allow him to float this for a New York minute?


Incompetence?

Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.

At the time, a White House spokesman would neither confirm nor deny the option was being considered.

376 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:11:18am

re: #346 MandyManners

I'll Latt you get away with that.

At your Serb-ice.

377 realwest  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:11:18am

re: #359 Dustyvet
"For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother"
Forever.

378 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:11:25am

re: #337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It should be part of the job description for the guards at the Tomb, enforcing decorum there. Or, barring that, there should be another guard, one who isn't precise and silent, whose job it is to yell like a drill seargent when these ingrates to whom nothing is sacred show up and act like they're at a ballgame, and to forcibly eject those who do not respond to the yelling.

I'm so not kidding.

379 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:11:33am
380 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:11:39am

re: #362 Van Helsing

Speaking of assclowns and VA hospitals, did they ever clean up the trash around the gates and Walter Reed?

OF, not AND

381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:11:58am

re: #358 DaddyG

Close to Reagan Airport.

Plane would fly over, people are oohing and aahing, saying, "Look, that's a jet airplane!"

Like they'd never seen a fucking commercial jet in their lives.

*seethe*

382 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:12:00am

re: #375 UFO TOFU

53 days, 53 mistakes.

/and counting

383 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:12:12am

re: #337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sad that the country is populated with ignoramuses that just don't understand what precious things freedom and liberty are.

384 Former SSG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:12:21am

re: #377 realwest

Hi, to all my brothers out there! And thanks for allowing me to serve with you - the best and the brightest.

385 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:12:26am

re: #366 buzzsawmonkey

A little anarchy under the Obama umbrella would be unpleasant

I assume you are using "anarchy" metaphorically here, to mean disorganization within the Administration. Because real, full-blown "anarchy" would certainly be more than "unpleasant".

386 Empire1  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:12:34am

re: #316 realwest

I hope you're right yma. But we set up a private charity for Vietnam Vets in NYC to help them find work
(according to the US Department of Labor, Vietnam Vets in NYC were SEVEN TIMES more likely to be unemployed than our non-veteran age peers). When it was over, the eight of us had found full time jobs for over 4,000 Vietnam Era Vets in NYC - a job the damn VA was supposed to be doing but didn't.
We took care of each other over there and we did it again back here.

Kudos to you, my friend! (If I may have the privilege of calling you that.)

387 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:12:36am

re: #375 UFO TOFU

No, its the White House setting Shinseki up to take the inevitable heat.

388 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:12:40am

re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Top this...

I wish Hillary Clinton was President.

You and me both, buddy.

389 Land Shark  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:12:47am

The only good thing is that even the Democrats in the Senate are telling Fraudbama the proposal for vets to pay for their health care is DOA. Every day, something happens that confirms to me what a scumbag Obama really is. The disconnect between the Obamatons and reality is scary.

390 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:12:58am
391 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:13:00am

re: #381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Close to Reagan Airport.

Plane would fly over, people are oohing and aahing, saying, "Look, that's a jet airplane!"

Like they'd never seen a fucking commercial jet in their lives.

*seethe*

"Ahh! Iron bird!"

392 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:13:02am

re: #353 Afrocity

Great News for my day./

The Sears Tower, America's tallest building will be renamed:

As long as they don't name it after Obama, they can call it anything they want, as far as I'm concerned.

393 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:13:15am

OT

Obama and Congress prepare to give control of our waterways to the U.N.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]


The Senate is gearing up to ratify a Nixon-era U.N. treaty meant to create universal laws to govern the seas -- a treaty critics say will create a massive U.N. bureaucracy that could even claim powers over American waterways.

LOST -- the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, also called the Law of the Sea Treaty -- regulates all things oceanic, from fishing rights, navigation lanes and environmental concerns to what lies beneath: the seabed's oil and mineral wealth that companies hope to explore and exploit in coming years.

But critics say the treaty, which declares the sea and its bounty the "universal heritage of mankind," would redistribute American profits and have a reach extending into rivers and streams all the way up the mighty Mississippi.

394 OldLineTexan  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:13:30am

re: #390 buzzsawmonkey

Where there's a Willis, there's a way.

Willis. EU again.

/

395 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:13:38am

re: #353 Afrocity

Great News for my day./

The Sears Tower, America's tallest building will be renamed:

No one will use the "What you talkin' 'bout Willis" name for the tower. Who uses "US Cellular Field" after all these years?

396 Desert Dog  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:13:40am

re: #374 subsailor68

OT, but here's something interesting:

U.S. plans for Mexico border violence

From the article:

Rufe said while the violence along the border in Mexico is appalling, violent crimes have not increased in U.S. border cities as a result. He said kidnappings are up, but violent crime is down.

"We're not so concerned, at least at this point, about that violence spilling over into our cities," he said.

The murder rate in Phoenix is up over the past few years and it's up for one reason and one reason only....drug cartel violence. We better do something about this crap now, before it gets too hard to stop. I read the other day that one of the Mexican cartel leaders is now on Forbes Richest Persons list! That is amazing!

Roger Rufe is a top Homeland Security official.

One question, Mr. Rufe - you don't consider kidnappings a potentially violent crime? Please get your head out of your ass.

Thank you.

397 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:13:44am
398 realwest  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:13:47am

re: #384 Former SSG
We all served together,no matter what war, what time or what place.
It is I who am honored to be in your band of brothers.

399 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:14:04am

re: #387 Creeping Eruption

No, its the White House setting Shinseki up to take the inevitable heat.

Obama - "Hey, it wasn't my idea."

/riiiiight.

400 zombie  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:14:06am

re: #379 buzzsawmonkey

But did he liberate Auschwitz?

///////////////

No, but he liberated many willing French madamoiselles of their innocence.

401 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:14:09am

re: #353 Afrocity

Youtube Video

hee. ;)
402 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:14:37am

re: #353 Afrocity

Great News for my day./

The Sears Tower, America's tallest building will be renamed:

As someone who still can't bring myself to say "MetLife Building", you have my sympathies.

403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:14:39am

re: #378 Taqiyyotomist

I am so agreeing with you.

404 realwest  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:14:45am

re: #386 Empire1
I'm honored and pleased for you to consider me your friend.
And thank you again for Tommy.

405 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:15:35am

Where's Avanti?

406 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:15:40am

re: #393 VioletTiger

OT

Obama and Congress prepare to give control of our waterways to the U.N.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The nightmare just gets better and better...

407 Former SSG  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:15:41am

re: #398 realwest

A girl never had so many brothers. Lucky me. It was a good life while it lasted, and gave me so much. Everything good that I am is because of my mother (who set the foundation) and the Army who built on it.

408 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:15:47am
409 Desert Dog  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:15:47am

re: #392 doppelganglander

As long as they don't name it after Obama, they can call it anything they want, as far as I'm concerned.

Coming soon: Obama International Airport

410 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:15:49am

"For Those That Have Fought For It, Life Has A Flavor The Protected Will Never Know"!


Sign above a firebase in Vietnam that I walked under when returning from many trips in the bush. ;-)

411 yesandno  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:15:52am

re: #311 Desert Dog

I would not be surprised to see euthanasia being pushed if we get the socialized medical insurance the left all wants. It's happening in part of Europe.

I am not one to support suicide, especially if it's institutionalized by the friggin' government. Hard to say how I would react if I knew I was going to die a horrible death with some disease though. I would think I would fight until my last breath, but you never know until you get there.


One of the reasons I was happy about Tom not heading the Universal healthcare fiasco is that he very plainly believes that some don't get treatment in order that others do. As a philosophy, I find this wrong. Everything for these people are a zero sum game....someone wins, someone looses. I think there is a way so every one wins.

My husband had a mild stroke two years ago. We didn't have health insurance. The bill for two days in one hospital was over $16,000. The cost to Medicare was a bit less then $10,000. In other words, if you don't have insurance because you can't afford it, you get to pay more?

If all this crap about entitlement to health care was changed into its "your responsibility" then cost of health care would be more competitive. But placing an artificial ceiling on it all, prices are pushed upwards for the average individual. Universal will just push up the price of average care and better then average care will be impossible except to the very rich.

We paid our bills, and we had to cut back on a lot of other things. But that is our responsibility to the country...to pay for what we use.

412 MandyManners  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:15:54am

re: #393 VioletTiger

OT

Obama and Congress prepare to give control of our waterways to the U.N.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

WTF? For real?

413 realwest  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:16:12am

Sorry y'all, gotta run.
Have a great day and I hope I get the chance to see you all down the road.

414 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:16:24am

re: #397 buzzsawmonkey

You don't have to tell me. I lived in New York in the 1970s.

Don't you miss the "colorful" "popular art" on the subway cars?

/

415 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:16:38am
416 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:16:44am

re: #409 Desert Dog

Coming soon: Obama International Airport

That'll piss off a lot of people.

417 Russkilitlover  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:16:47am

re: #369 zombie

An elderly relative of mine was shot in the stomach in the Ardennes forest in 1944. Came home from WWII with a bunch of medals -- and medical complications. He is now 89 years old, and he still occasionally goes to the VA hospital for checkups and monitoring. As a wounded veteran, this coverage is of course at no cost to him.

Are you telling me that Obama wants to make him start paying for his own medical care? The insult is so deep, it boggles the mind.

Yes. And then be turned down for treatment because of a Pre Existing Condition.
///maybe

418 yma o hyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:16:50am

re: #366 buzzsawmonkey

A little anarchy under the Obama umbrella would be unpleasant, but it would not in the long run be a bad thing, as it would reveal Obama as weak and ineffectual and disenchant enough people to build a strong opposition. Again, I'd rather have Obama's vassals struggling for spoils than have them united. Spoils are only a financial loss; a complete political restructuring such as seems to be on the agenda is a far greater act of destruction.

Agree.
A little anarchy would mean the PB0 admin would have to be on the defensive all the time, on all fronts, and the opportunities for them to drop the ball would mount over time, giving the opposition the opportunity to grow and unit, as you say.
Much to be preferred to the other scenarion.

419 Dustyvet  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:17:01am

re: #405 MandyManners

Where's Avanti?

With luck, he fell overboard...:)

420 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:17:22am

re: #273 Earick

Sorry FB! You are as nuts as them!
We vets finally got a VA to be proud of... under Bush!

Still getting used to my new hip! My treatment was first class and it gave me a chance to be with the young vets just starting to come to grips with their injuries.
I shared a room with four other vets. Two from WWII and two from Iraq. I am of the Vietnam era.
Sharing pain and stories help the young ones face their future with pride. Watching an old vet try to learn how to walk again gives the young vet the nuts to get up beside that old dude and try out his new prosthetics. Those first steps need to be taken with men he respects. Men he would rather fall down in front of then not try at all.

AND NOBODY CALLS HIM A BABY KILLER IN THAT HOSPITAL!

Good to hear that, my experience was during Bush 41. It was less than exemplary.

421 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:17:45am

re: #414 Occasional Reader

Don't you miss the "colorful" "popular art" on the subway cars?

/

Do you mean the visual arts (graffiti) or performing arts (stabbings)?

422 horse  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:17:55am

Ugggh, this had me seeing red; but after reading through the great comments in this thread I see others have already more than satisfactorily used the few words I had as verbal barbs to puncture that smug bas**rd's balloon.

I think I will go beat the crap out of some golf balls. My score may be crap from all the wild swings, but I will actually feel better.

And many thanks to all the veterans for their selfless service; we will mass march on Washington before this kind of garbage law ever sees the light of day.

423 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:17:59am

re: #392 doppelganglander

As long as they don't name it after Obama, they can call it anything they want, as far as I'm concerned.

Sorry not good enough for me. I grew up here and men died making that building. My uncle worked on that building and they were very proud of the name and that is a landmark and what it is known as to Chicagoans. I understand if it is bought apparently by a British company but it does not mean that its name will be changed. It looks like it will be added to another Chicago boycott list. When Macy's changed Marshall Field's we boycotted and it is working. You can hear a pic drop in that store now and they are about to go out of business here. We at least stick together on that front.

424 bnichols10  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:18:00am

Veterans would never pay more money. It's a great plan to try and get more people out of private insurance and into a government program. As a private insurer the only two options are for them to either raise the costs for everyone to cover the very expensive treatments for veterans or to exclude covering them altogether. Either way people are pissed off at "the big bad health insurance companies' and they are primed to let the government come in and offer a "solution".

425 Sharmuta  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:18:21am

This is the ultimate middle finger to our vets. We owe them every thing our way of life has provided for us.

426 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:18:30am

Tommy

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

427 Desert Dog  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:18:31am

re: #411 yesandno

My parents are both near 80 and their medical bills are really adding up as well. Thank goodness they have secondary insurance, otherwise, they would be out of money from the bills.

428 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:18:35am

re: #354 screaming_eagle

So are you willing to bet $1000 that prime-time CBS,ABC,NBC news as well as newspapers across the country are gonna cover this? You think the President is gonna get asked a question about it? Or do you think this story is just gonna die away with little coverage?

Look at what I said.

429 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:19:02am

How To Tell We Are In big Trouble

France, Germany, and Italy are warning other Western governments not to follow in US Democrats' economic footsteps. They are urging other countries NOT to run up huge debts in an effort to “stimulate” the Western economy.

When France, Germany, and Italy are to the right of the United States … something is wrong.

Word.

430 VioletTiger  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:19:10am

re: #412 MandyManners

WTF? For real?

All part of the global redistribution of wealth. It reaches beyond the U.S.

431 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:19:15am

re: #400 zombie

No, but he liberated many willing French madamoiselles of their innocence.

His ability to find innocent French Madamoiselles meant that he should have been in Recon.

432 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:19:16am
433 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:20:18am

re: #410 'Nam Grunt

Hey! Good of you to drop in. I hope you are keeping well.

And thank you for your service.

434 jjmckay1216  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:20:34am

Has Avanti chimed in on this yet?

435 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:20:40am

re: #418 yma o hyd

The problem with a 'little anarchy' is that it just an excuse for a bunch of over-privileged snot -nose whiny brats to vandalize the property of others.

The proper cure (deadly force) is never allowed to be used.

436 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:20:44am

re: #415 buzzsawmonkey

Forgetting the destruction of modern-day America by rebuilding a hulk relic from America's glory days.

I was gonna say - working on one of his Studebakers.

437 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:21:11am

re: #408 buzzsawmonkey

TFK? What are you doing at Buzz's house?

438 zombie  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:21:32am

re: #408 buzzsawmonkey

The entirety of America is being coerced into becoming Cargo Cultists, with the US government as the Great Plane in the Sky.

Problem is, the outboard motors don't say "Obama" on them.

(Little-known detail of the cargo cults: In the '60s, when aide workers, anthrolopologists and peace corps volunteers would show up on the cargo cult islands bearing food and supplies for the natives, the name of the company that made the outboard motors on the boats was "Johnson", so the islanders thought that the deity named President Johnson was sending the gifts personally.)

(And now that I've explained the joke, it totally falls flat.)

439 tfc3rid  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:21:42am

re: #312 Ward Cleaver

No, I'm sure it was Shinseki.

I recall John Kerry in the 2004 election talking about Shinski's recommendations for Iraq...

440 horse  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:22:30am

re: #255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

May be. I just remembered the story.

Actually, I remember the reaction to the story.

And that is why truth is the greatest casualty of leftist campaigns.

441 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:22:31am

re: #423 Afrocity

Sorry not good enough for me. I grew up here and men died making that building. My uncle worked on that building and they were very proud of the name and that is a landmark and what it is known as to Chicagoans. I understand if it is bought apparently by a British company but it does not mean that its name will be changed. It looks like it will be added to another Chicago boycott list. When Macy's changed Marshall Field's we boycotted and it is working. You can hear a pic drop in that store now and they are about to go out of business here. We at least stick together on that front.

Well, at least it will confuse the hell out of any jihadi's going looking for the Sear Tower.

442 Occasional Reader  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:22:39am

re: #432 buzzsawmonkey

Are you referring derisively to the vibrant expression of an alternate lifestyle?

The best art is always created using spraycans.

And let's not forget the alternative pharmeceutical experiments that were so enthusiastically undertaken in Bryant Park. It's so damn boring now, with those bourgeois skating rinks and restaurants!

/

443 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:23:01am
444 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:23:10am

re: #441 Creeping Eruption

lol

445 Bob Dillon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:23:24am

re: #369 zombie

Are you telling me that Obama wants to make him start paying for his own medical care? The insult is so deep, it boggles the mind.

Hey Zom ... He won! And besides, it's an elitist thing that we just don't understand.

/

446 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:23:27am

re: #405 MandyManners

Where's Avanti?

At the drug store getting a new perscription filled to help him cope with his growing cognitive dissonance.

447 Earick  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:24:03am

re: #333 realwest

I am sorry for your experience! I was in Palo Alto California this last time. It was first rate.
I am not the shy, shrinking violet type. So there was no chance anyone within my range was going to set in the corner and be ignored.
Once a medic always a medic.
A couple of the young vets I met still call me up every now and then just for a 'pep talk'.
We vets need each other to heal. It isn't always easy to break down and cry in front of civilians who only see the boy and not the man.

448 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:24:29am

re: #446 Kenneth

At the drug store getting a new perscription filled to help him cope with his growing cognitive dissonance.

What a waste. All he really needs is a shoe-horn with a long handle to get his head out of his ass.

449 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:24:35am

re: #439 tfc3rid

I recall John Kerry in the 2004 election talking about Shinski's recommendations for Iraq...

His disagreements with Rummy made him the darling of the Dems. But he was right about deploying more troops to deal with the insurgency. The success of the surge proved his point.

450 Dustyvet  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:24:41am

re: #446 Kenneth

At the drug store getting a new perscription filled to help him cope with his growing cognitive dissonance.

Maybe he should head over to a VA hospital for that...sounds painful...

451 screaming_eagle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:24:43am

re: #428 SanFranciscoZionist

Look at what I said.

Got it asshole. Your right. Since CNN had an article on the web it is the same as the coverage provided the octomom,Rush Limbaugh, Earmarks. etc.

452 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:24:59am
453 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:25:19am
454 loppyd  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:25:20am

re: #410 'Nam Grunt

"For Those That Have Fought For It, Life Has A Flavor The Protected Will Never Know"!

Sign above a firebase in Vietnam that I walked under when returning from many trips in the bush. ;-)

{Nam}

Mmmmmwaaaaaah!

455 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:25:41am

re: #363 doppelganglander

A thousand updings. Yep. It is important to know that everything presented to us in the popular culture presents, and even pushes, a particular philosophy. You hit the nail on the head.

I was referring to those who do not know this, the other 90 or so percent of Americans, who think that it's all "just entertainment", who put TVs in their kids' rooms at age 4, who don't monitor, let alone discuss, anything about what they're being fed.

My 3 generations remark still stands, though. From "Father Knows Best" on, from the Hollywood-pimping incestuous forebears of our Tonight Shows and Late Night with Assclowns, the pop machine has been allowed by America, conservative and liberal alike, to mold the minds of generations, and to push "envelopes" and to, with that most insidious device of all, the laugh-track, tell us what's funny, what's not, what's acceptable, what's not.

I view pop-culture consumption, especially consumption of TV, the way I view crack-smoking, paint-huffing, and sterno-drinking. If I know someone who does any of these things regularly, their judgement is suspect, in my mind. They, for the most part, are willingly killing their mind.

456 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:25:56am

re: #340 azul93gt
And DON'T touch their koran with your filthy infidel hands unless you are wearing gloves. And check out the cool hammock that they can hang their koran in so it doesn't touch the ground!

**SPIT**

457 Rexatosis  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:26:41am

When Sen. Murray (a complete left wing loon in my opinion) calls you to the mat for an obscenely offensive policy proposal you, President Obama, have not only "jumped the shark" but you have even left the gravitational field of the "looniverse." I cannot fathom what possible insane idea will come out of the White House next.

458 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:27:03am

re: #439 tfc3rid

I recall John Kerry in the 2004 election talking about Shinski's recommendations for Iraq...

Rumsfled's strategy proved to have problems. But Shinseki's opinion that 300,000 US troops were needed would also have had problems if it had been implemented. The virtue of hindsight is you can propose alternatives that will never have to be tested by real events.

459 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:27:31am

re: #117 Racer X

This administration has no intention of increasing private healthcare in any form. Period.

This is a setup.

I guarantee it.

If it is a trap, how do we counter it?

460 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:28:24am

re: #451 screaming_eagle

Got it asshole. Your right. Since CNN had an article on the web it is the same as the coverage provided the octomom,Rush Limbaugh, Earmarks. etc.

Oh, get over yourself. I wasn't talking up the media, as I think you know. Information is out there, however, and we are not helpless victims of the all-powerful MSM.

461 Empire1  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:28:35am

re: #404 realwest

I'm honored and pleased for you to consider me your friend.
And thank you again for Tommy.

Thank you! :)

And it was my pleasure -- Kipling is my favorite poet, and "Tommy", IMO, is one of his best poems.

(I'm a former Marine married to a retired AF NCO -- we're all in this together!)

462 DisgustingOratory  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:29:02am

Putting on my libtard hat...

I think this is part of the philosophy that those who engage in destructive behavior (like smoking) will not be granted health care.

463 WV.Hillbilly  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:30:43am

The good thing is that every patient gets a beret.

464 UberInfidel67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:31:07am

re: #374 subsailor68
And in other news, the Mexican government and Catholic Church want charges of corruption brought against the US.

/it's all our fault

I forgot where I read that today. Linkviewer?

465 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:32:02am

re: #423 Afrocity

Sorry not good enough for me. I grew up here and men died making that building. My uncle worked on that building and they were very proud of the name and that is a landmark and what it is known as to Chicagoans. I understand if it is bought apparently by a British company but it does not mean that its name will be changed. It looks like it will be added to another Chicago boycott list. When Macy's changed Marshall Field's we boycotted and it is working. You can hear a pic drop in that store now and they are about to go out of business here. We at least stick together on that front.

In my opinion, Mayor Daley should take the US head of Willis in for a private meeting. After which the Willis man will emerge sporting a fresh set of bruises and a willingness to leave the Sears Tower name alone.

/mostly kidding, I do think Daley should raise hell about it.

466 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:33:15am

re: #354 screaming_eagle

So are you willing to bet $1000 that prime-time CBS,ABC,NBC news as well as newspapers across the country are gonna cover this? You think the President is gonna get asked a question about it? Or do you think this story is just gonna die away with little coverage?

Repetition is King. And the media knows this. If this were a republican attempt, you'd hear it repeated 20 times a night for weeks on end and they'r follow it with polls until they got the American people carring torches and pitchforks.
I predict this will die out in a day or so. In the media's mind they will have done their duty and reported 'fairly'.
Propoganda and manipulation are most effective when they're done in subtlety.
Our media would put Joseph Goebbels to shame as a no-talent amateur.

467 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:33:15am
468 vagabond trader  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:33:30am

A little disinformation perhaps? Get everyone riled up and "distracted" about the issue, then The Obama steps in to smooth it all out. Obfuscation is very strong in this one and it would not be the first time this has been used.

469 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:33:44am

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

Press release from the Sufi Muslim Council:

The Sufi Muslim Council condemns outright the action of a small number of fanatics that disrupted the home coming parade of The Royal Anglian Regiment in Luton yesterday. Their actions are an offense to decent people living in the United Kingdom and their antics should not be seen in any way to represent British Muslims. It is apparent that these individuals do not want to live in an integrated multi cultural society and there is no place for their abhorrent views.

We also demand that the authorities investigate the individuals behind these despicable acts and it is disappointing that the Bedfordshire Police were led to arrest ordinary citizens for disorder issues whilst these individuals were allowed to peddle their sick views. The Police must take action to review further decisions as to whether they will allow these demonstrations in the future.

Furthermore, we call on all people of all denominations to stand united in rooting out this evil and vile ideology.

470 lobo91  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:34:00am

Well, it's official. I won't be receiving a new set of active duty orders to pick up where my current ones end on May 30th.

It's not due to a lack of work, since we just got word of three more back-to-back training missions we'll be expected to execute this summer.

It's because another set of orders would put me over the magic 18 year line granting me "sanctuary," meaning they'd have to let me stay on active duty 2 more years to qualify for my full active duty retirement.

I'm sure my Congressman will have some choice words for this, but I'm not sure he'll be able to do anything about it.

471 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:34:03am

re: #467 Iron Fist

(what do professional protestors do when there is a Democrat in the White House?)

They will have to start a support group with Rage Boy.

472 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:34:09am

re: #457 Rexatosis

When Sen. Murray (a complete left wing loon in my opinion) calls you to the mat for an obscenely offensive policy proposal you, President Obama, have not only "jumped the shark" but you have even left the gravitational field of the "looniverse." I cannot fathom what possible insane idea will come out of the White House next.

I'm not so sue of my predictive abilities as I once was, having reached the sad conclusion that my worldview is as odds with the majority of my fellow citizens.

But I'm pretty sure that Ms. Murray wants to be re-elected.

Wonder if the Obama does?

After all, if he's so tired now, after 52 days, what in the world will he look like after four years?

473 Maximu§  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:34:27am

I'm in a state of shock and the gloves are coming off. My boy is in the 10th Mountain Division and his unit deploys in November.

I'm too PO'd to go on....

474 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:34:38am

re: #449 Ward Cleaver

His disagreements with Rummy made him the darling of the Dems. But he was right about deploying more troops to deal with the insurgency. The success of the surge proved his point.

Oh no it didn't. The surge was a completely different strategy, based on counter-insurgency tactics and involving a large rebuilt Iraqi army. Shinseki's opinion was merely that it would take some 300,000 US troops to keep the peace and maintain order. He offered no thorough strategy on how to do that. You can't take one detail out of the Iraq war, plug in an alternative an declare your idea would have worked better. It may well have turned out that the 300,000 troops would have attracted even more resentment from the Iraqis. For sure, the extra cost would have been staggering.

For a thorough discussion of the military planning in the Iraq war, read
Cobra II: The Inside Story of the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq.

475 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:34:46am

re: #465 Dark_Falcon

It's okay. I don't think there is a single Sears employee that works in that building.

476 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:35:00am

re: #469 Jimmah

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

Press release from the Sufi Muslim Council:

You forgot the addendum:

Oh yeah . . .AND DEATH TO JEWS!

477 razorbacker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:35:48am

re: #461 Empire1

Thank you! :)

And it was my pleasure -- Kipling is my favorite poet, and "Tommy", IMO, is one of his best poems.

(I'm a former Marine married to a retired AF NCO -- we're all in this together!)

He wrote one about the Light Brigade survivors that'll mist your eyes, if'n you still have emotions left.

478 RondinellaMamma  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:36:06am

Gee, do you think anybody has noticed that Obama hates the US Military?...
Do you think they've noticed that he hates the USA?

Lizards, send a message to dearleaderO and let him know that he won't get away with destroying this country - If you have an April 15th Tea Party in your area, attend! If there' not one planned, organize it yourself.

479 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:36:07am

If y'all have sensitive eyes, you better not look....RANT ON! Goddamn sonsabitchin', scum sucking, yob tovu mat assholes, lower than whale shit, commie, pinko, anti-American, Marxist loving, dictator cocksuckers, appeasers, rip off artists, lying bastard, spineless cowardly wimps, mother frakkin' dolts, military loathing constituition shredding low lifes!

480 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:36:31am

re: #475 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's okay. I don't think there is a single Sears employee that works in that building.


They got Roebuck walled up in the basement, I bet.

481 lobo91  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:37:24am

re: #458 Kenneth

Rumsfled's strategy proved to have problems. But Shinseki's opinion that 300,000 US troops were needed would also have had problems if it had been implemented.

Not the least of which would have been the question of where we would have gotten the 300,000 troops.

We're having enough trouble keeping half that number in theater at a time.

482 LGoPs  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:37:32am

re: #473 Maximu§

I'm in a state of shock and the gloves are coming off. My boy is in the 10th Mountain Division and his unit deploys in November.

I'm too PO'd to go on....

May the Lord send a squad of Angels to walk point for your son while he's in danger.

483 formercorpsman  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:38:55am

KG made me think about this. The possibility is totally plausible. Does anyone remember Charlie Rangel calling for a draft a few years ago?

Another thing that just keeps ringing in my ear, is the echo of not letting a crisis go to waste.

From what I can see, there are potentially things which could intentionally ricochet off of something like this.

1. This being a wedge for Universal Health care.
2. The depreciation of enlistment, and retention.
3. If #2 occurs, this justifies cutting back the defense budget.
4. A way to steer unpopular policy towards acquiescence.
5. Justifying our need to talk with enemies because of our own weakness.

Furthermore, the one bell which keeps going off in my head, is the sentiment of Cloward-Piven which uses the system to defeat itself via commitments.

484 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:39:22am

re: #477 razorbacker

The Last of the Light Brigade

There were thirty million English who talked of England's might,
There were twenty broken troopers who lacked a bed for the night.
They had neither food nor money, they had neither service nor trade;
They were only shiftless soldiers, the last of the Light Brigade.

They felt that life was fleeting; they knew not that art was long,
That though they were dying of famine, they lived in deathless song.
They asked for a little money to keep the wolf from the door;
And the thirty million English sent twenty pounds and four !

They laid their heads together that were scarred and lined and grey;
Keen were the Russian sabres, but want was keener than they;
And an old Troop-Sergeant muttered, "Let us go to the man who writes
The things on Balaclava the kiddies at school recites."

They went without bands or colours, a regiment ten-file strong,
To look for the Master-singer who had crowned them all in his song;
And, waiting his servant's order, by the garden gate they stayed,
A desolate little cluster, the last of the Light Brigade.

They strove to stand to attention, to straighen the toil-bowed back;
They drilled on an empty stomach, the loose-knit files fell slack;
With stooping of weary shoulders, in garments tattered and frayed,
They shambled into his presence, the last of the Light Brigade.

The old Troop-Sergeant was spokesman, and "Beggin' your pardon," he said,
"You wrote o' the Light Brigade, sir. Here's all that isn't dead.
An' it's all come true what you wrote, sir, regardin' the mouth of hell;
For we're all of us nigh to the workhouse, an' we thought we'd call an' tell.

"No, thank you, we don't want food, sir; but couldn't you take an' write
A sort of 'to be continued' and 'see next page' o' the fight?
We think that someone has blundered, an' couldn't you tell 'em how?
You wrote we were heroes once, sir. Please, write we are starving now."

The poor little army departed, limping and lean and forlorn.
And the heart of the Master-singer grew hot with "the scorn of scorn."
And he wrote for them wonderful verses that swept the land like flame,
Till the fatted souls of the English were scourged with the thing called Shame.

O thirty million English that babble of England's might,
Behold there are twenty heroes who lack their food to-night;
Our children's children are lisping to "honour the charge they made - "
And we leave to the streets and the workhouse the charge of the Light Brigade!

485 lobo91  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:40:21am

re: #473 Maximu§

I'm in a state of shock and the gloves are coming off. My boy is in the 10th Mountain Division and his unit deploys in November.

I'm too PO'd to go on....

Afghanistan?

486 screaming_eagle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:40:39am

re: #460 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, get over yourself. I wasn't talking up the media, as I think you know. Information is out there, however, and we are not helpless victims of the all-powerful MSM.

Read LGOP's 466.

487 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:40:49am
488 Empire1  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:41:33am

re: #484 Kenneth

Thank you for posting that, Kenneth. ::grabbing tissues::

489 Rancher  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:41:45am

Even McCain won't cross the isle for this.

490 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:41:49am

re: #481 lobo91

That's right. In the end it did take over 300,000 troops, more than half of whom were Iraqis. The US military had to retrain and rebuild the Iraqi army to do the job and that takes time & money.

491 avanti  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:42:09am

From down thread

I don't think he's supposed to just toss the CBO's idea's in the trash. He'll consider, and reject it and even if he was dumb enough not to, Congress will. There are equally as dumb options in that report, that will be tossed. If you want to get upset, how about the cutting of millions of Vets from the report put together last year. BTW, notice BHO is expanding vets coverage. Comments about the Jan CBO report :

"In an interview, Edwards dismissed the CBO cost-cutting ideas aimed at raising veterans' out-of-pocket costs or bouncing two million vets from the VA health system because they suffer from no service-related conditions.

"Some of these don't have the chance of a snowball in hell of being passed by Congress," Edwards said. "CBO was simply doing its job to outline what the options are. But a number of those are dead before arrival."

link.

492 nom de boom  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:43:38am

See, this is what happens when student government replaces real government. When I think of the Obama administration, I picture a bunch of college kids in shorts and tie-dyed t-shirts tossing around a frisbee on the White House lawn. "Yeah, dude! Make 'em pay for their own hospital bills! Watch me nail that squirrel!"

493 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:43:59am
494 far_right  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:44:17am

Wizard of Oz: Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

Maybe we can use - Pay no attention to the man behind the teleprompter!

495 sngnsgt  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:44:41am

Buck Ofama.

496 Rexatosis  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:45:52am

RE: 472 Razorback

Actually I am more worried about Pres. Obama's health than re-election. If the President is "tired" as has been reported repeatedly during his first 50 days rather than just "a lazy slacker," given his habit of puffin' the "coffin nails" one has to wonder if he will actually make it through the pressure cooker of the Presidency. Just look at how Presidents age in office. This is not good at any level.

497 lobo91  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:46:15am

re: #490 Kenneth

That's right. In the end it did take over 300,000 troops, more than half of whom were Iraqis. The US military had to retrain and rebuild the Iraqi army to do the job and that takes time & money.

The thing that worries me at the moment (well, aside from the immediate issue of having to look for a new job once I get released from mobilization in less than 90 days) is the possibility that the geniuses we have in charge now seem to think that the solution to Afghanistan is to do the same thing we did in Iraq.

Yes, we do need more troops there, but that's about where the similarity ends.

498 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:47:26am

re: #423 Afrocity

I can see it means more to a native like you than to an infrequent visitor like me. I respect your opinion.

499 Afrocity  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:52:08am

re: #498 doppelganglander

(hugs doppleganglander)

500 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:52:15am

re: #497 lobo91

I'm sure the top military charged with winning in Afghanistan including Sec Def Gates, General Petreaus, & General David McKiernan know the difference and have some good ideas about how to win. I have little confidence in Obama to make the right calls as CinC.

501 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:53:16am

For all my wanting to deny it...this is the Obama I knew.

502 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:54:32am

re: #455 Taqiyyotomist

I'm glad you expanded on your thoughts. I was pretty sure that's what you meant. Indiscriminate pop culture consumption is very bad for your IQ and your mental health.

503 doppelganglander  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:55:10am

re: #499 Afrocity

(hugs doppleganglander)

{back atcha!}

504 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:56:03am

Obama on Mt. Rushmore...

Youtube Video
505 Rancher  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:56:48am

re: #469 Jimmah

Suffis are a small sect of Islam who do not take the words of Muhammad literally. I imagine most Muslims ignore them.

506 Kenneth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:58:10am

Oh good gracious!

Some moonbats want to change one of the faces on Mt. Rushmore to Obama.

Youtube Video
507 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 11:59:35am
508 Rancher  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:01:47pm

re: #493 Iron Fist

He won't have to. Olympia Snow and Arlen Specter (the Man with Two Left Arms) will give this the veneer of "bipartisanship" that it needs to smooth over any qualms individual democrats might hold.

Any chance those RINOs will be defeated? Does the GOP even support them and if so why? Throw in Chafee BTW.

509 Dragonwolf  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:03:06pm

re: #491 avanti

I agree with you. The CBO was told to come up with suggestions for cutting the budget and it did.

Kind of like me asking my kids what they want for dinner and knowing I'm going to immediately reject 50% of what they suggest. Their suggestions are never requirements for me and the CBO's suggestions are never requirements for the administration nor congress.

510 Ghost707  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:04:32pm

Obama really is an evil son of a bitch.

511 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:08:12pm

re: #472 razorbacker

After all, if he's so tired now, after 52 days, what in the world will he look like after four years?

Maybe the Mayans were right.
But the way things are going, the UN will be the world government, and they'll have a special place for Jews.
Either that, or the Messiah comes.

512 vagabond trader  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:09:16pm

re: #511 Kosh's Shadow

Well I sure as hell am not boarding that train!

513 Van Helsing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:10:00pm

re: #510 Ghost707

Obama really is an evil son of a bitch.

The worst kind of evil: Good Intentions.

514 lobo91  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:11:34pm

re: #505 Rancher

Suffis are a small sect of Islam who do not take the words of Muhammad literally. I imagine most Muslims ignore them.

Not all Muslims ignore them.

Some want to kill them.

515 lobo91  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:13:44pm

re: #500 Kenneth

I'm sure the top military charged with winning in Afghanistan including Sec Def Gates, General Petreaus, & General David McKiernan know the difference and have some good ideas about how to win. I have little confidence in Obama to make the right calls as CinC.

Unfortunately, I don't think it's much of a stretch to imagine Obama pulling an LBJ, trying to make tactical decisions that should be made by those on the ground.

516 Dragonwolf  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:15:55pm

re: #513 Van Helsing

The worst kind of evil: Good Intentions.

Don't you mean 'Socialist Intentions'?

517 Lincolntf  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:16:55pm

re: #515 lobo91

He'll be a "Community Battlefield Organizer"?

518 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:17:55pm

re: #487 Iron Fist

Pretty words. Lets hope that they mean them. The mohammedans have been too tepid about the "madmen" who have "hijacked" their "great" religion. It is pretty much impossible to know for certain what the motivations behind a statement like this are, but it is, for what its worth, welcome.

I haven't read the article yet, but why do I feel that there is a "But..." in there somewhere?

There's no 'but' - that's the full statement. This, in the comments on that page, from a "Yousef Smith" should clear any any remaining doubts about the SMC's sincerity:

The SMC obviously do not have any respect for free speech, as they attack the police for defending the idiot Muslims from being attacked by the crowd yet call on them to arrest them for expressing their “sick views”. The SMC are unrepresentative of even Sufis in this country; they are “community leader” wannabes who are ready to slag off Muslims on request. Some of them are also Islam Karimov apologists.

519 mattm  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:18:14pm

Fuck you obama!

520 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:20:13pm

re: #517 Lincolntf
He's a goddamned socialist bastard and would love to gut the military more than Klintoon did!

521 CapeCoddah  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:20:41pm

Wow. This is just unbelievable. I am not sure what it is going to take for people to wake up to what this clown who calls himself a president is doing. What a kick in the ass for 42 of the honorable men who have served this nation as it's President. (Carter not counted).

On a much lighter note, we have an awesome story here today. On Monday, a gas leak caused an explosion at a local animal hospital. Three cats and a dog died, but a vet and a neighbor managed to free all the other animals. One pup ran off to the woods surrounding an adjacent grass airport and had dozens of people looking for him round the clock. This morning, they found Little Dutch safe and sound, using a playmate to draw him out. Great story:
[Link: www.capecodonline.com...]

522 pingjockey  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:21:34pm

re: #517 Lincolntf
He's also not smart enough to organize a cluster fuck. But this is what we have with this admin. So I guess it's an unorganized cluster fuck.

523 lobo91  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:21:46pm

A statement issued by a Sufi council in England has about as much relevance to Islam in general as one issued by a group of Jehovah's Witnesses in Oregon would to Christianity.

In other words, about zero.

524 soxfan4life  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:22:26pm

How can anyone on active duty service support this doofus? As a former Cav Trooper I say F.U. Barack Obama. Rather than making veterans pay, why not make welfare moms or illegals get private insurance? Oh that's right they tend to vote Democrat.

525 Harry Tuttle  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:25:37pm

Fuck Barack.

526 Sheepdogess  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:29:22pm

re: #326 Taqiyyotomist

I hope all you Americans who steeped your kids in pop culture, television and movies for 3 generations are f***ing happy now!

Television - The antichrist.

The lazy stupid celebrity worshiping parents, they deserve the loser children they end up with. I feel sorry for the kids though.

I ripped my one of my sons teachers a new a-hole (in a non-offensive very delicate fashion) the other day. She is considered the best teacher at his school. I am not impresssed. She was proud to anounce to the parents at curriculum night that her spouse works for one of the worst cable news networks. I fight them whenever and wherever I can.

527 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:31:34pm

re: #21 buzzsawmonkey

People who vote for socialism count to socialists, people who fight for freedom do not count for socialists...

Now wondering if the story of "O" is going to turn into some bad B movie with crazed vets who can't afford health care going after him if/when he shuts down/cuts back the VA etc...

528 Osama Bin Porkchop  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:33:53pm

re: #2 MrSilverDragon

Will someone please get this clown out of office? A vote of no confidence? Please?

Dear God I wish that were possible......

Sometimes I think we as a country could use the option of "None of the Above" when voting for our elected officials......

529 Maximu§  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:36:06pm

re: #485 lobo91

Afghanistan?

Yep and I may contact Blue Cross and have them cover my son....I'm not sure what it cost to insure a combat MOS soldier in Afghanistan, but I'm guessing roughly $400-$500 per/month?

The fact that this is even being "considered" tells me what a POS Obama and his team are. Our military will be thrown under the bus.

530 baconeatingkaffir  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:37:11pm

I think the O face needs to set the example and lead from up front. How about he subscribe to an HMO and save taxpayers money from payıngfor his personal physician.
This guy is a socialist grabbastical bag of crap. He wouldnt make it past week one of basic training let alone know what it means to defend freedom. He's more concerned about "redistributing it".

531 jemima  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:38:10pm

There's nothing I like about this guy. Wait, let me review that, don't want to speak in haste.

No. Nothing.

532 kynna  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:44:37pm

re: #6 MJ

I think Obama and Congress should start paying for their own health care while we're at it.

I just started reading this thread so this is late, but I want to add 25,000 updings to the one I just gave you.

Nothing makes me angrier than the perks 'our' Congress gives itself.

533 ladycatnip  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:45:57pm

It's really disgusting how the people on the Hill who represent us all have the very best of the best health care at taxpayer expense - no HMO's for them. And they're entitled to it for the rest of their lives. I think every single person from the prez on down should all have to have normal government-issued HMO's at their own expense. When they reach the age of 60 they can have Medicare. Then cut their pensions to the bone. That would be a huge tax cut for us.

Next up, term limits!

534 kynna  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:46:43pm

re: #389 Land Shark

The only good thing is that even the Democrats in the Senate are telling Fraudbama the proposal for vets to pay for their health care is DOA. Every day, something happens that confirms to me what a scumbag Obama really is. The disconnect between the Obamatons and reality is scary.

If even Patty Murray is taking the jackass on, he's got biiiig problems. I hate being on the same side as this loon, but somebody's got to tell 0 he's out of line and he's not listening to Republicans.

535 kynna  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:47:37pm

re: #533 ladycatnip

It's really disgusting how the people on the Hill who represent us all have the very best of the best health care at taxpayer expense - no HMO's for them. And they're entitled to it for the rest of their lives. I think every single person from the prez on down should all have to have normal government-issued HMO's at their own expense. When they reach the age of 60 they can have Medicare. Then cut their pensions to the bone. That would be a huge tax cut for us.

Next up, term limits!

I'd vote for you.

536 Grogtank  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 12:48:06pm

re: #290 zombie


Universal* Health Insurance

* Applies to everyone currently residing in or visiting the United States, except for the following groups: Wounded veterans; employed people; rich** people; self-employed people; hell, let's just make that all veterans; people stupid enough to already have their own insurance; people with chronic ailments -- we're looking at you, wounded veterans; and in general anyone not on our database of people who voted for Obama.

You forgot "typical white people."

537 formercorpsman  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:03:53pm

re: #507 Iron Fist

Anymore, there is no doubt in my mind things like this do not have some type of end result assumed.

We know both sides float legislation right before an election cycle to put the opponent on the hook for it.

It is so outrageous to think this is given any serious consideration, it begs at least this line of questioning.

538 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:07:41pm
539 Code Red 21  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:13:41pm

My son, who is in the Army reserves, is being called up for active duty in Iraq. Now this son of a bitch, bastard, wants him to use private insurance if he is hurt while serving his country. Fuck him.

540 Eowyn2  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:16:40pm

congress grants itself a payraise while MR PRESIDENT attempts to screw the entire US Military.

541 Eowyn2  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:17:17pm

re: #539 Code Red 21

My son, who is in the Army reserves, is being called up for active duty in Iraq. Now this son of a bitch, bastard, wants him to use private insurance if he is hurt while serving his country. Fuck him.

My prayers for you and your son.

542 Czarny_Smok  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:18:00pm

Just a thought for all of you. Remember what a veteran is. A 'Veteran' - - whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve - - is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United State of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including their life.' And these are the people that our administration is shitting on. A pox on them and their offspring.

An Old Army Vet

543 Code Red 21  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:18:09pm

re: #528 Osama Bin Porkchop

Dear God I wish that were possible......

Sometimes I think we as a country could use the option of "None of the Above" when voting for our elected officials......


This country has been so dumbed down they would want to know where the candidate they voted for is after the election cause they "voted for none" of the above.
Another Rovian/Bushitler conspiracy///

544 lobo91  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:19:13pm

re: #539 Code Red 21

My son, who is in the Army reserves, is being called up for active duty in Iraq. Now this son of a bitch, bastard, wants him to use private insurance if he is hurt while serving his country. Fuck him.

What's his unit? My unit will probably be involved with their pre-deployment training (assuming that they haven't sent us all home, that is).

545 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:22:49pm

of all the outrages i have seen from the leftists, this one pisses me off like no other. every word i want to utter about this either starts with an F or has four letters. and I don't want to be banned .... so I'll take a lap around the room and chill for a moment.

546 Code Red 21  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:22:56pm

re: #544 lobo91

He just got the packet from the Army Human Resource bunch on Tuesday. I didn't look at the paper work but my husband did and he's suppose to report to Ft. Jackson by 4/18. He was a radiology tech so I'm guessing he would go back in as a tech again. I can't bring myself to even look at the orders.

547 Ghost707  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:23:25pm

Our Federal Government is officially
Completely
Fucking
Insane

548 HippieforLife  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:23:25pm

On another bit of the total waste of our tax dollars, the feds are investigating Sheriff Araipo (sp) in Arizona for "racial profiling" for arresting so many illegal immigrants.

So it looks like the O admin is still struggling with the meaning of the word "illegal". Oh, wait, that only applies to Bush. My bad, moo moo!

549 samsgran1948  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:24:48pm

Every day, in every way, BHO and the Democrat elites demonstrate more and more contempt for our men and women in uniform and the American way of life. Come 2010, I hope the whole lot of them get cleaned out so convincingly it will take at least two if not three generations for a Democrat to win another election.

550 Reluctant Democrat  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:25:15pm

I can't wait for Michelle to show up to her first "support the military" shindig. Isn't that her pet cause now?

551 lobo91  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:26:12pm

re: #546 Code Red 21

He just got the packet from the Army Human Resource bunch on Tuesday. I didn't look at the paper work but my husband did and he's suppose to report to Ft. Jackson by 4/18. He was a radiology tech so I'm guessing he would go back in as a tech again. I can't bring myself to even look at the orders.

Is he IRR, being recalled to fill a vacancy in a unit?

And yes, if he's a radiology tech, I would imagine that's what thy'll have him do. Probably assign him to a Combat Support Hospital.

Relatively good duty.

552 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:26:19pm

re: #548 HippieforLife

On another bit of the total waste of our tax dollars, the feds are investigating Sheriff Araipo (sp) in Arizona for "racial profiling" for arresting so many illegal immigrants.

So it looks like the O admin is still struggling with the meaning of the word "illegal". Oh, wait, that only applies to Bush. My bad, moo moo!

Joe Arpaio is smarter than those dickheads. The truth about the illegal status of the detainees in question will be his succesful defense.

553 Code Red 21  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:31:29pm

re: #551 lobo91
I hope you're right I'm sick over it. It's makes it harder that he's being called up because I know that the people in charge just don't give a damn about our soldiers, this latest BS just drives the point home even more. Thanks for the info. God bless you and keep you safe.

554 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:36:28pm

Nothing so far about this on DU. I wonder if there's anything on koz or huff about it.

555 lobo91  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:39:02pm

re: #553 Code Red 21

I hope you're right I'm sick over it. It's makes it harder that he's being called up because I know that the people in charge just don't give a damn about our soldiers, this latest BS just drives the point home even more. Thanks for the info. God bless you and keep you safe.

Trust me, they don't send radiology techs to be convoy escorts or gate guards.

The fact that they bothered to call him up from the IRR tells me that a unit had a vacancy for someone in his MOS.

I was involved with a pre-deployment training exercise with a CSH from Florida about 10 months ago. On the clinical side, they were first-rate. Very professional.

Tactically...not so much. Didn't really matter all that much, because they were going to a hardened facility in the middle of a huge airbase. Their people never left the wire during their entire tour.

556 Macker  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:41:51pm

re: #49 MandyManners

I can see FCBBHO pushing a huge increase in TriCare co-pays.

Would you like to add an additional letter, D, to the front of your acronym?

Dirty F**kin' Communist Bastard Barack Hussein Obama

557 Code Red 21  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:42:14pm

re: #555 lobo91

Trust me, they don't send radiology techs to be convoy escorts or gate guards.

The fact that they bothered to call him up from the IRR tells me that a unit had a vacancy for someone in his MOS.

I was involved with a pre-deployment training exercise with a CSH from Florida about 10 months ago. On the clinical side, they were first-rate. Very professional.

Tactically...not so much. Didn't really matter all that much, because they were going to a hardened facility in the middle of a huge airbase. Their people never left the wire during their entire tour.

Well I feel a bit better now. Thanks

558 nines09  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:42:59pm

If nobody serves, Nancy Fancy Pants can't fly. We have lost all feeling of shame, haven't we? You will serve this country at your own risk it seems. Open the gates and call off the dogs, the wolf is behind you.

559 DisturbedEma  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:43:13pm

re: #508 Rancher

Any chance those RINOs will be defeated? Does the GOP even support them and if so why? Throw in Chafee BTW.

Fire up the fax machines, folks. . .let's make some NOISE!

560 NamDoc67  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:45:52pm

Obama logic: as I read this, they want to take those who already have government health care (combat wounded vets) and make them privately fund their own medical care, while making everyone else get nationalized government-paid care.
Billion$ for ACORN agitators. For combat wounded vets, foot your own bill!

561 kawfytawk  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:47:16pm

re: #560 NamDoc67

That's how I read it...disgusting

562 [deleted]  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:51:32pm
563 CharlieBravo  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:04:51pm

re: #32 yma o hyd

From that link:

' At the time, a White House spokesman would neither confirm nor deny the option was being considered.'

Knowing politicians for the sh*theads they are, this means they will try to find a way to sneak it through.

Be extremely vigilant - you yourselves know best how Washington works.

You are right, they will 'sneak it through' just as they'll sneak their gun control legislation through: [Link: www.govtrack.us...]

564 Viking6  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:16:52pm

I just jumped into this and didn't read the entire thread but what I do not understand is how the hell Eric Shinseki can stomach making a statement like this. The man lost his foot to a land mine in Vietnam. What the hell is going on here. Rumsfeld was right to get rid of this asshat and his Black Berets for all if he puts political ambition before his country.

A little hymn for him:

HYMN, HYMN, FUCK HIM
/off

565 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:22:37pm

re: #353 Afrocity

Great News for my day./

The Sears Tower, America's tallest building will be renamed:

And people will still call it the Sears Tower, not the Willis Tower...

566 student of history  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:52:48pm

This has been standard policy for military dependents and retirees for years -- if you have private insurance through your spouse's employer, or through your employer if you're a retiree, they will bill that insurance when you and your dependents use the military medical facilities, it's called the "third party collection program."

It's not at all surprising that they're going to extend this to the VA, I'm astonished that it hasn't been already. The lovely liberals will almost certainly end up doing it, no matter what kind of outrage is expressed. They haven't cared about taking promised health care benefits away from active duty, retirees and disabled vets for years if it could save money, why should they care about getting flack for collecting money they consider themselves fully entitled to now that they're 100% in charge? Just think of how much they'll be able to cut the VA budget so they can spend it on more worthwhile things -- like funding welfare programs for people who might actually vote for them.

The truly amazing thing about this is that if the "model" government health care systems can't get by without billing private insurance, what are we going to do when all health care is through a government system and there isn't any private insurance for government health care systems to bill? It all comes back to that standard line -- if you think health care is expensive now, just wait until it's free...

567 BingoBunny  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 2:59:30pm

Bill Clinton did some of the same kind of stuff when he was president.. I seem to recall that every time I had to go to VA hospital in Houston it as swarmed with wineo's and poor people who were getting treatments and had never served.. wasn't like that when Bush was president.. anyone know what Clinton did to stuff VA with poor and their medical troubles.. and what Bush did to end it?

568 xiphos  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:18:35pm

Facts please. Whose "idea" was this, or is this a rumor?

569 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:55:24pm

The New Unknown Soldiers

Speechmakers like to praise the "sacrifices of our men and women overseas." But soldiers' sacrifices don't end when they step off the troop transports and hug their families.
570 Ceemack  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:00:56pm

I had to hold my nose very tightly shut when I voted for McCain, but I'm guessing this ridiculous idea would never even have crossed his mind.

If you think about it, though, this could help Obama's agenda in two ways. One, it frees up federal money currently being spent by the VA that can now be spent on one of Barry's pet programs (e.g. socialized medicine). Two, it puts a huge new burden on private insurance companies, further weakening the private system and strengthening the argument for expanding the public system.

But it reminds me of the time during the Reagan Administration when some government agency sought to reclassify ketchup in a school lunch as a "vegetable", and the hue and cry that went up from all corners of the MSM.

Compare their vehement reaction to that silly but relatively innocuous proposal with the MSM's muted reaction to this sickening idea.

571 Perplexed  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:23:14pm

If teleprompters had a text to speech feature, then would we really have any need for Obama?

572 Bear  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:12:42pm

I have always wished that all wounded vets would receive a monthly check related to the extent of the wounds that equaled that percentage of the average wage received by the general public. I realize that the wage perhaps used should be much higher than what the Govt claims, perhaps to that of the US Senators. Say a 10% disability equals 10% of the Senator's pay etc.

By good luck and Blessing of The Lord I was not wounded while in the service.

573 PineCone  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:46:41pm

This administration has absolutely no idea what it is doing. Everything it has touched is turning to mud. Of all people Shinseki should know that this is a really bad idea.

574 TheRealThing  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 5:48:34pm

After reading a good part of this thread here is what it looks like to me,
Obama likes Chicago, now granted Chicago is a mess, part of that he did,
so he just wants America remade in the image of his beloved Chicago.

575 ladycatnip  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 6:00:00pm

I just got home from work, and while driving heard the news about Michele Obama's "departure from the typical White House first lady's duties..." - she's speaking in N.Carolina about "embracing the military in your communities..."

Between Obama's announcement about health care this morning, and now Michele buttering the military, I've got whiplash. Just like a typical abuser - one minute they'll slap you upside the head, the next minute they're all snugly-cozy.

Buzzsawmonkey - your post #129 is right on the money!

A very, very long time, if ever. What we are seeing is a divide and conquer strategy.

A hundred little outrages in a very short time; it's a blitz. And each segment of society will have its own particular outrage to deal with, each dear to its own heart. The sheer number of them will prevent any sort of unified, organized, strong opposition from forming--and in the absence of a unified opposition, each small outraged constituency can be mollified, bought off, or steamrollered as they choose.

I need an aspirin.

576 Dad O' Blondes  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 6:46:46pm

Many years ago, as a beginner and tyro on Wall Street, I met a rich old man. He was wealthy beyond anything I had ever imagined. I knew his nephew, a room-mate from my college. The old man invited us up to his country estate to hunt birds and pheasant.

Over a luxurious dinner in this vast estate home, the old codger told me, a poor kid from the Bronx, that..." it was a privilege to pay taxes..."

He meant of course that it was a great honor to be an American citizen, and that he was happy to pay his way to ensure the many liberties this great country bestows upon its citizenry.

And that includes taking care -- forever -- of our wounded and disabled brothers in arms.

.

577 lurking faith  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 6:48:00pm

re: #573 PineCone

It has been my understanding that Shinsecki is rather widely despised.

I directed some military folks to this story, and they said: "Shinsecki. Of course he'd be involved."

578 Dad O' Blondes  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 6:55:25pm

re: #547 Ghost707

Our Federal Government is officially
Completely
Fucking
Insane

Yes. And that's why the DOW, and all the other indices have crashed.

Zero confidence.

Compare the macros and the past 3 days trading bounce, with the St Patrick's bull breakout and follow-through in March, 2003.

No comparison.

579 Quilly Mammoth  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 7:28:59pm

Eric Shinseki has tunnel vision. Which is why there wasn't too much hew and cry when he was dissed by Rummie. He badly handled the proposed transition engendered by the Stryker units with the Heavy, or Legacy, Force commanders. Having been one himself they felt betrayed by his actions. The problem was that Shinseki was trying to form an elegant solution to the Cold War force requirements; a scenario which had already ended long before.

No doubt he sees some elegant solution to long term Veteran health care that takes the often inept VA out of the picture. The problem is that, once again, it will be seen as a betrayal...as well as unrealistic...by his constituency.

580 Perplexed  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 8:33:09pm

My son is active duty. My father is a veteran. My brother is a veteran. I am a veteran. Together we either have served or are currently serving in the USAF, Army, and US Navy. I've griped about the way service connected, disabled veterans are treated for years.

Kipling said it best in TOMMY:

Title: Tommy
Author: Rudyard Kipling [More Titles by Kipling]

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

581 UncleSam  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 9:04:59pm

re: #6 MJ

I think Obama and Congress should start paying for their own health care while we're at it.

I'd upding that 5000 times, if I could.
Vets deserve the very best health this country can provide.

Congress gets gold-plated free health care, while we peons have to scrape
up every penny we can find to pay for ours.

The Congress is supposed to be our servants, but those greedy, power-mad freaks and crooks have turned us into their slaves.

582 UncleSam  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 9:12:33pm

Meant "health care."
Whoops.
So enraged I couldn't type correctly.

And, I think I should have said, "The members of Congress are supposed to be our servants, etc."

583 Billy Hank  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 9:36:30pm

re: #570 Ceemack

I flashed on that immediately. I would dearly love to see "make wounded soldiers pay for their own medical care and stop leeching off the taxpayer" become the Democrats "ketchup is a vegetable."

The ketchup coverage was supposed to show that Republicans were cruel, heartless, and stupid. Sadly, our media agrees that if the stupid, shiftless slobs stop a slug, it's their own damn fault. I mean Obama is all about responsibility, isn't he? Those who wonder how a former Army CoS could propose such a thing need only recall that it was Clinton who selected him.

584 Billy Hank  Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:00:27pm

Well, it's late and I'm ticked. Obama keeps comparing himself to Lincoln. He is more the anti-Lincoln. "Care for him who bore the battle and his widow and his orphan" morphs into "wounded vets pay for own insurance and treatment." The more i look at the ant-Lincoln meme, the more I think it fits Obama.

585 Instablogger  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 5:35:51am
Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance. …

Hey! Why stop there? After a soldier is killed on the battlefield, he is of no further use to Obama. Let’s just leave him there or either make his family pay to ship the body home. Look at all the money we could save by eliminating all of those Military Funerals…money that could be redistributed to those who are deemed more needy.

For that matter, look at all of the valuable real estate going to waste at Arlington. The government could dig up the veterans there and convert the land to a more socially acceptable use.

586 pupdawg  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 5:41:26am

re: #2 MrSilverDragon

Will someone please get this clown out of office? A vote of no confidence? Please?

Internet News Headline, Friday (3-13-09), 'First Lady Vows To Help Military Families'...find their personal Medical Insurance cards for their injured military loved one(s).

587 pupdawg  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 5:45:58am

re: #586 pupdawg

Internet News Headline, Friday (3-13-09), 'First Lady Vows To Help Military Families'...find their personal Medical Insurance cards for their injured military loved one(s).

Those brave, selfless men and women in our military who happen to get hurt while protecting our freedom...under Mr. T's (the ass clown) bus!

Ass clown is the perfect description for Mr. Teleprompter!

588 Pupdawg  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 6:05:21am

re: #6 MJ

I think Obama and Congress should start paying for their own health care while we're at it.

...and they should have to retire on the same Social Security maximum monthly payment as some, not all of American workers will receive when retired and they should be informed that their personal 401k retirement contributions will now longer be matched dollar for dollar by their employer....us and all freebie perks in DC that 'come' with the job should end immediately and the cost for such should be redistributed to the American working poor whose numbers are growing by the minute and they should be forced to join a Union to be determined by an open ballot process so they can in essence be driven out of business like the paltry three American auto makers and they should finally be required to eat 99% of the shit first that they so routinely shovel from Washington, DC onto our plates and Obama and Congress better like tea because I'm thinking they will be receiving a ton or more of it through the mail in the days, weeks and months to come and as a 'get real' gesture they should be required to shop at Wal-Mart for one month and they might begin to see why that is one business to still make a profit because an evil union (is there any other kind) has not been shoved down their throat yet and shoppers can at least save a little money by doing so and they should realize that in politics 'doing less' is always 'doing more' and preferred by the people for the people and we are the people!

589 leww37334  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 7:04:45am

re: #579 Quilly Mammoth

Eric Shinseki has tunnel vision. Which is why there wasn't too much hew and cry when he was dissed by Rummie. He badly handled the proposed transition engendered by the Stryker units with the Heavy, or Legacy, Force commanders. Having been one himself they felt betrayed by his actions. The problem was that Shinseki was trying to form an elegant solution to the Cold War force requirements; a scenario which had already ended long before.

No doubt he sees some elegant solution to long term Veteran health care that takes the often inept VA out of the picture. The problem is that, once again, it will be seen as a betrayal...as well as unrealistic...by his constituency.


Please reread the article this comes from the OBAMA administration, not Shinseki. Shinseki was appointed by Bush, he didn't do this in the Bush administration. He is only behaving as the messenger.

By the way, this shouldn't surprise anybody. Like all good Democrats, Obama hates the mititary.

590 Maulman  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 7:05:40am

Apart from the obvious insanity of this plan. Could you imagine what would happen to insurance premiums if this was approved?

591 bombarafat  Fri, Mar 13, 2009 8:45:15am

Obambi snubbed the military pre-election and he will continue to do so. Every glimpse of the overall picture of him, we got on the camapaign trail, will balloon into a giant mural of everything we fear. Stay tuned.

592 CLLRusso  Mon, Mar 16, 2009 7:16:43am

That is such a freaking disgrace I am leaving now to CALL all my elected legislators and I am not going to say "freaking" when referring to this clueless president. I bet they hang up on me! Cowards.


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