Dave Weigel Digs Through LGF’s Archives Looking for Dirt

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Dave Weigel takes a few shots at me today, by digging up some old LGF posts (I’m getting used to this technique, from all sides): The Washington Independent » A Blast from Charles Johnson’s Past.

The posts in which I linked to Pamela Geller were from a different time, before she tipped over into non-stop craziness; one of them wishes her a happy one-year anniversary, and the other links to her coverage of the “Stand with Israel” rally in New York, and in both cases I really don’t see what I’m supposed to regret about them. People change, times change, and so do opinions; the only person who doesn’t change his or her opinions is a blind ideologue.

Weigel also links to my short positive review of one of Robert Spencer’s books. There’s some context missing in what he writes, however; at that point, Spencer was still keeping up a front of staying away from Eurofascists, posting several times at his blog that he renounced associations with groups like Vlaams Belang, and supporting me in my stance against them. He has since changed that position for the worse. I suppose I should have seen it earlier, but sometimes people conceal their true beliefs.

The only post Weigel dug up that I honestly regret was one from 2004 expressing qualified approval of Vlaams Blok (the neofascist group that morphed into Vlaams Belang), when they were banned by the Belgian government. My only excuse is ignorance; at that point I had not looked into their past, but I had looked into their adversary, the openly pro-jihad Arab European League, and thought Vlaams Blok was at least a semi-legitimate opponent. Needless to say, in the five years since that post I’ve learned otherwise.

(I should point out, though, that Weigel calls them the “Dutch party Vlaams Blok,” so apparently I’m not the only one who wasn’t well-informed. They’re Belgian, Dave.)

One more comment on this subject: this hasn’t been a sudden change at LGF. My refusal to associate with fascist groups is not new. It’s a core principle and always has been, and that’s why, when I saw the so-called “anti-jihad” bloggers starting to hook up with European neofascist groups two years ago, I could not remain silent.

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913 comments
1 simonml  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:56:42pm

You should never regret any post you make Charles. One mistake among thousands of posts?

We can all tell the time and effort you put into this site, including researching the backgrounds and associations of any person or group you cite.

Well done!

2 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:56:54pm

The fact that you are willing to retract statements, issue corrections, and apologize for things now only shows that you are not a blind idealogue but you are also an intelligent rational human being.

3 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:57:33pm

I have found Charles to be steady and consistent in his views.

4 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:58:04pm

Charles - I believe that it's his problem, not yours.

5 Querent  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:58:14pm

re: #3 Ben Hur

and that's what we admire about you, Charles!

6 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:59:23pm

The key thing to notice about people is what they do when an error has been discovered.

7 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 2:59:49pm
People change, times change, and so do opinions; the only person who doesn’t change his or her opinions is a blind ideologue.

Bingo. I would like to submit that they are also deaf and dumb.

8 Diamond Bullet  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:01:07pm

I just don't get folks who think the only way to respond to crazed Islamic militants is to start goosestepping through the streets. I think I'll piss them off a lot more by throwing on my "E1" Elvis Greatest Hits and firing up the porkulator (i.e. bbq). Mmm, sweet delicious slow-roasted freedom.

9 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:02:03pm

Lord Keynes said, " When presented with new facts, I change my opinion. What do you do ,Sir?"

10 kynna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:02:05pm

How moronic. There's an obvious evolution in the LGF view on Spencer/Geller.

Again, if you have to twist the truth to support your belief, is your belief really worth supporting?

11 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:02:06pm

re: #3 Ben Hur

I have found Charles to be steady and consistent in his views.

Charles Johnson a very Menchkite kind of guy.

12 Lee Coller  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:02:11pm

re: #1 simonml

You should never regret any post you make Charles. One mistake among thousands of posts?

I don't quite agree here. The fact that Charles is willing to come out and admit that he regrets something is a sign of integrity. It's the person who is never willing to admit they made a mistake that is dishonest.

13 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:02:21pm

Thanks for posting that explanation. I know you don't like to do that sort of thing, preferring to let the stories you choose for the front page speak for themselves.

A couple times, I've (jokingly) answered, when someone asked me about why you even paid attention to AS/PG, that she was a little bit your fault.

14 Kragar  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:03:46pm

As I've had cause to remark more than once, just because you just noticed something for the first time doesn't mean its new. Keep it up Charles

15 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:04:04pm

The comments are from:

February 11, 2006:
July 17, 2006:
November 18, 2007:

Today is April 27th, 2009

16 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:04:36pm

re: #12 Lee Coller

I don't quite agree here. The fact that Charles is willing to come out and admit that he regrets something is a sign of integrity. It's the person who is never willing to admit they made a mistake that is dishonest.

But that is par for the course on the good ol' Interwebs

17 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:04:39pm

re: #6 debutaunt

The key thing to notice about people is what they do when an error has been discovered.

Where's "That's Mr President to you" to say "It's Bush's fault!"

18 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:04:53pm

Charles -

So facts changed so your opinions changed?

Is that it?

Don't you understand?

This is the internet! Damn the facts! What matters is that you never admit to learning anything - otherwise you have to give up the status of being an "All Knowing Superior".

Like Geller and Spencer. And Kos for that matter.

Get with it, dude.

/

19 Kragar  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:05:08pm

re: #15 Ben Hur

The comments are from:

February 11, 2006:
July 17, 2006:
November 18, 2007:

Today is April 27th, 2009

3 out of 4 aint bad

/

20 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:05:55pm

another blog history Creationist...ho hum

21 Cathypop  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:06:22pm

I learned a long time ago to never hide from a mistake. If you can admit that you made a mistake intelligent people will look up to you. Hiding from a mistake can make your life hell.

22 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:06:43pm

re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

3 out of 4 aint bad

/

I left a comment simply saying, "It's 2009."

That should show 'em!

23 simonml  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:06:55pm

re: #12 Lee Coller

I don't quite agree here. The fact that Charles is willing to come out and admit that he regrets something is a sign of integrity. It's the person who is never willing to admit they made a mistake that is dishonest.

I was just trying to say that what he is doing with the website is an obvious good and one mistake out of thousands of posts should not upset him. He's obviously very honest and willing to admit mistakes.

I just hate that someone would dig through all the archives to find one wrong among many thousands of rights. One should never "regret" not being perfect.

24 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:07:21pm

That someone digs so hard and uncovers so little is evidence of Charles's consistency and integrity.

25 Adrenalyn  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:08:20pm

this is another reason why I don't want to cede any credit to team anti-America (aka the 0bama administration)

their side will NEVER grant our side a kudo
why not treat them the same way

it's not like I am asking for an 0bama derangement jihad

just don't be nice to them is all I ask
it will come back to haunt you
and this is an example
fair it is not, but it is an example of who the left is and what they're about

26 JCM  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:08:53pm

Obviously Charles has FAILED; he is not prescient!

STONE HIM!

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27 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:09:02pm

Eh, fuck you, Dave. You ain't worthy to shine Charles' boots.

28 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:09:52pm

What's killing them is that Charles was right.

You should try to read the excuses, etc Pam has tried to sell - and her legion of banned LGFers bought it.

29 Soona'  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:10:34pm

re: #27 MandyManners

Eh, fuck you, Dave. You ain't worthy to shine Charles' boots.

Concise and to the point.

30 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:10:58pm

re: #27 MandyManners

Eh, fuck you, Dave. You ain't worthy to shine Charles' boots.

I think I luv U.

31 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:11:07pm

re: #25 Adrenalyn

this is another reason why I don't want to cede any credit to team anti-America (aka the 0bama administration)

their side will NEVER grant our side a kudo
why not treat them the same way

it's not like I am asking for an 0bama derangement jihad

just don't be nice to them is all I ask
it will come back to haunt you
and this is an example
fair it is not, but it is an example of who the left is and what they're about

Right, being nice to someone, or recognizing the fact that someone or the administration did something right, will come back to haunt you.

What planet do you live on?

Yep, that's a good game plan, don't do something that's moral and right because the other guy won't.

Sorry, don't fly with me.

32 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:11:55pm

re: #28 Ben Hur

What's killing them is that Charles was right.

You should try to read the excuses, etc Pam has tried to sell - and her legion of banned LGFers bought it.

Was she wearing a bikini at the time?

33 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:12:03pm

Officials in Jerusalem were surprised by a report in the L.A. Times Monday that the Obama administration has asked Congress to amend U.S. law to enable the Palestinian Authority to receive federal aid even if Hamas joins a unity coalition.

"Every step that strengthens Hamas only distances peace. In the event that the report is true, it is painful and worrying," a political source in Jerusalem said Monday.


[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Time to wake up boys. And ya might want to CC your concerns to all them Liberal cousins in the USA?

34 Adrenalyn  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:12:11pm

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

Right, being nice to someone, or recognizing the fact that someone or the administration did something right, will come back to haunt you.

What planet do you live on?

Yep, that's a good game plan, don't do something that's moral and right because the other guy won't.

Sorry, don't fly with me.

well, it's the way I am
it's a rough world out there
and I recognize that
people that don't play nice or fair do not warrant good treatment

35 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:12:16pm

re: #22 Ben Hur

I left a comment simply saying, "It's 2009."

That should show 'em!

I went over there and saw that and had a laugh. Too bad it will probably fly right over his head.

36 pat  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:12:17pm

I guess someone could look up everything Weigle ever said. I am sure he was always the paragon of reason and correctness.

37 kynna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:12:27pm

This whole line of attack is absolutely juvenile. And to spend their credibility in an effort to overlook and excuse white supremacists and Nazis. What in the world are they smoking?

38 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:12:45pm

I thought for sure some of my posts would be a gold mine of angst-ey recrimination....but then again, it might've put anybody sifting through them fast asleep....

39 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:12:47pm

re: #28 Ben Hur

Does she have legions?

40 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:13:11pm
41 Killian Bundy  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:13:34pm

Workers find message in Auschwitz bottle

WORKERS demolishing a wall of a building that was once part of the Nazi's Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp have found a message in a bottle written by prisoners 65 years ago.

"We know two of the Auschwitz prisoners who signed the message survived the camp, but their later fate isn't known," Auschwitz-Birkenau museum historian Jerzy Mensfelt said today.

"If they are alive, they would be in their 80s now. Perhaps the publicity surrounding this discovery will lead to more information."

Workers found the bottled message when demolishing a wall at the State Higher Vocational School in the southern Polish town of Oswiecim, the site of the infamous World War II camp.

/this ought to be interesting

42 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:14:07pm

re: #39 Dianna

Does she have legions?

Yes.

43 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:14:15pm

re: #30 DEZes

I think I luv U.

*blush*

44 quickjustice  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:14:19pm

Weigel needs an extensive and lengthy proctological exam. His colon is blocked.

45 Ben Hur  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:15:17pm

BBL

46 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:15:22pm

re: #44 quickjustice

Weigel needs an extensive and lengthy proctological exam. His colon is blocked.

Well don,t look at me, He is on his own.

47 JacksonTn  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:15:27pm

um ... Dave ... the clearasil and stridex pads are on Aisle 9 ... and your mother found your dad's Playboy mags under your bed ... and finish your homework ... junior high is a bitch ...

48 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:16:29pm

Weigle: get a clue, they're Belgian, they're Flemish, they say they are Flemish nationalists but they are Flemish supremacists.

I guess someone picked on Dave for not being objective or something...

I defended VB too, because at the time everything in the english press at the time was positive. It's only after digging and translating that the truth came to light.

No excuses or apologies needed here, I defended VB and Robert Spencer at one point, I was wrong to do so.

49 researchok  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:16:33pm

If that's the best Weigel can do, he's a lot more insignificant than he appears.

It's all 'magical thinking'- that if they can divert attention away from reality for even a little while, their own misreading of reality and their inability to deal with reality, will go away.

If they can refer to George Bush as Hitler, they can be comfortable calling every tyrannical butcher a 'comrade.'

50 Truck Monkey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:17:11pm

Come to think of posts we made. I believe that my first post here in 2004 had something to do with Linda Ronstadt not being able to see her feet since 1985. I hope that it can never be used against me.

51 kynna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:17:18pm

Look, all I'm saying is I'm glad that every single one of my posts on LGF has been concise, well thought out and, frankly, brilliant. Otherwise some adult with a seventh-grader brain would have something to pull out and nyah-nyah-nyah about, completely ignoring the evolution of opinion over time. Not that my opinion needs to evolve, it's perfect as is. I'm just saying, I sympathize with everyone else.

///

52 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:17:28pm

re: #29 Soona'

Concise and to the point.

Those are two of my goals in life.

53 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:18:05pm

Video of Unidentified U.S. Soldier Berating Iraqi Police Is a YouTube Hit

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

This was shown here on LGF by a few of us and maybe even featured, I am not sure. I hope nobody ID's him, but I am sure someone will. I stand behind him!

54 researchok  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:18:19pm

re: #48 Thanos

Clarity is a wonderful thing.

55 Truck Monkey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:18:38pm

re: #32 ConservatismNow!

Was she wearing a bikini at the time?

I really don't think that Ms. Relleg can dine out on her good looks any longer.

56 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:18:56pm
57 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:19:38pm

re: #50 Truck Monkey

Truth is an absolute defense against any defamation litigation, so you're copacetic....

58 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:19:46pm

If you want something juicy from the archives, read this one.

59 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:19:47pm

re: #50 Truck Monkey

Come to think of posts we made. I believe that my first post here in 2004 had something to do with Linda Ronstadt not being able to see her feet since 1985. I hope that it can never be used against me.

She forgives you.


60 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:20:08pm

David Weigel

Perhaps his motivation for dirt can be seen in another of his recent articles in which he speak glowingly of Ron Paul:

A voice in the wilderness no more
At CPAC, Ron Paul's critique of the monetary system and the Republican party is surprisingly more popular than ever

What's changed in two years? It's not only that Republicans have lost an election – it's that Republicans do not yet understand why they lost. They are not willing to consider that they lost votes because Americans wanted more social democratic policies. The official explanation for their loss is that Republicans spent too much money and lost touch with their values. It only makes sense that Paul, who has been arguing for years that the GOP needs to get back to the values of pre-New Deal America, should be winning over young hearts and minds.

He is also the associate editor for Reason magazine and Reason dot com.

He also has his own web site and links to DailyKos at this website as "Markos and friends."

Muckraker in the making perhaps? Politically he swings in many directions. I say politically because his article are so tinged with ideological tidbits that he doesn't really qualify to be journalist. He does seem to have fascination for Ron Paul.

61 Truck Monkey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:20:10pm

re: #44 quickjustice

Weigel needs an extensive and lengthy proctological exam. His colonKoln is blocked.

FTFY

62 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:20:30pm

re: #48 Thanos

I guess someone picked on Dave for not being objective or something...

Yep, that was my thought too when I saw his post.

63 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:20:52pm

re: #50 Truck Monkey

Come to think of posts we made. I believe that my first post here in 2004 had something to do with Linda Ronstadt not being able to see her feet since 1985. I hope that it can never be used against me.

BTW, in my first post, I spelled "Muslim" as "Muslin". I wanted to crawl into a hole and pull it in after me.

64 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:20:56pm

re: #27 MandyManners

Eh, fuck you, Dave. You ain't worthy to shine Charles' boots.

Mandy -> {Mandy}

65 Russkilitlover  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:21:06pm

re: #56 buzzsawmonkey

Unless you're making bouillabaise.

Or sausage.

66 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:21:53pm

re: #63 MandyManners

It's an understandable mistake, when you're talking shiites.

67 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:22:30pm

re: #64 callahan23

Mandy -> {Mandy}

*smooch*

68 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:22:48pm

re: #54 researchok

Clarity is a wonderful thing.

Yes it also, it's also noteworthy that the roaches didn't start spilling their true intents until mid '06 or so when most people were somewhat distracted by the Israel Hamas war. It was then that the "there's no such thing as moderate muslims," and "stop all mosques" campaigns started in earnest. I dug way back and there's a jatras article at Dhimmi watch from back then pretty much taking the same line for a mosque in Greece, but at the time I didn't read Dhimmi watch.

69 thebigolddog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:23:38pm

O/T

Panic on the streets on NYC today.

Air Force One Flyby Of Goldman Sachs Tower

Proof of the new 9/10 mindset? You be the judge.

70 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:24:01pm

How petty!

71 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:24:02pm

re: #41 Killian Bundy

/this ought to be interesting

The article states "More than one million people, mostly European Jews, perished at the Auschwitz-Birkenau twin death camps during World War II." I was taught that it was more like 8-million and in doing some reading the figure is closer to thirteen-million if one counts the eastern front atrocities.

/That ought to be quite interesting

72 Truck Monkey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:24:02pm

re: #63 MandyManners

BTW, in my first post, I spelled "Muslim" as "Muslin". I wanted to crawl into a hole and pull it in after me.

You're forgiven. I think that we are all looking for absolution.

73 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:24:22pm

re: #66 tradewind

It's an understandable mistake, when you're talking shiites.

What's the count?

74 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:24:28pm

re: #69 thebigolddog

No...there have been panics similar to that one before.
Wonder why this particular one got more press.....

75 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:24:48pm

re: #73 MandyManners

This thread has the potential to unravel.......

76 Kragar  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:25:07pm

Speaking of cooking, I've got some chicken breasts I've been marinading in some white wine and olive oil and garlic which I'll be serving with angel hair pasta with capers later. I'm trying to decide the best way to cook the chicken, I'm thinking low heat in an well oiled skillet, then slicing them into strips before adding the marinade in and rendering it down to a light sauce. I'm not sure if I might want to add butter in to thicken the sauce some. Any thoughts?

77 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:25:14pm

Speaking of Gellar and Spencer, gotta' go scrub the toilets.

78 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:25:24pm

re: #71 Conservative in Liberal Hands

The article states "More than one million people, mostly European Jews, perished at the Auschwitz-Birkenau twin death camps during World War II." I was taught that it was more like 8-million and in doing some reading the figure is closer to thirteen-million if one counts the eastern front atrocities.

/That ought to be quite interesting

They're discussing Auschwitz-Birkenau only.

79 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:25:29pm

Bleh, I really need to stop typing and talking on trouble bridges at the same time.

80 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:25:34pm

re: #75 tradewind

This thread has the potential to unravel.......

Well, spin a good yarn while I'm gone.

81 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:25:39pm

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Speaking of cooking, I've got some chicken breasts I've been marinading in some white wine and olive oil and garlic which I'll be serving with angel hair pasta with capers later. I'm trying to decide the best way to cook the chicken, I'm thinking low heat in an well oiled skillet, then slicing them into strips before adding the marinade in and rendering it down to a light sauce. I'm not sure if I might want to add butter in to thicken the sauce some. Any thoughts?

nope

82 Truck Monkey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:25:43pm

re: #75 tradewind

This thread has the potential to unravel.......

Unless we can spin more yarns along the line of Linda Ronstadt not being able to see her feet since 1985.

83 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:25:45pm

Reposted from earlier:

re: #277 Cato the Elder

re: #41 Kenneth

I'm just curious... precisely when did these European Neo-Nazis stop hating Jews and switched to hating Muslims instead?

Wrong question.

They never stopped hating Jews, just pretended to. It's a tactic.

And they've been hatin' on immigrants, especially Muslims, ever since the first Gastarbeiter ("guest worker") arrived at the invitation of the (West) German government in the 1950s to meet a critical labor shortage.

Die ersten Gastarbeiter, die in dieser Zeit angeworben wurden, kamen aus Italien, Spanien, Jugoslawien, in geringerer Zahl auch aus Griechenland (sog. Anwerbestaaten). Ab 1960 kamen auch Gastarbeiter aus der Türkei und Portugal. 1964 wurde in der Bundesrepublik der offiziell einmillionste Gastarbeiter, ein Portugiese, begrüßt. Er bekam zur Begrüßung ein Moped geschenkt. Zu den Anwerbeländern kamen auch Tunesien, Marokko und Südkorea, mit den Philippinen wurden Anwerbeverträge für Krankenpflegepersonal geschlossen. Schließlich gab es 1971 auch einen Anwerbevertrag mit England. Im September 1971 waren damit über zehn Prozent der in der BRD beschäftigten Arbeitnehmer Gastarbeiter.

The first guest workers to be recruited in this period came from Italy, Spain, Yugoslavia, and to a lesser extent also from Greece (so-called recruitment countries). From 1960 guest workers also came from Turkey and Portugal. In 1964 the Federal Republic welcomed the one-millionth guest worker, a Portuguese man. He received a moped as a welcome gift. The recruitment countries were joined by Tunisia, Morocco and South Korea, while recruitment contracts for health care workers were made with the Philippines. Lastly there was a recruitment contract with England in 1971. In September 1971, as a result, more than ten percent of the people employed in the FRG were guest workers.

I was one of them.

The guest worker program was fraught with contradictions from the start. Maybe the German politicos were expecting a blond and blue-eyed baby boom that would eliminate the need for foreigners, maybe they thought the wall would come down in a few years and they'd be flooded with "real Germans" from the east. It never happened. Instead, "guests" became permanent residents, married, brought family from abroad, had children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren, all without ever receiving citizenship. In Germany you are not automatically a citizen just because you're born on German soil. Look up the difference between jus sanguinis and jus natalis. France and America have the latter, Germany the former.

So the fantasy was that you could bring people in, use their labor, and not owe them anything but a paycheck. That's not how life works.

The unregenerate Nazis and their successors used the presence of these Fremdarbeiter (their word for "guest worker" - fremd meaning foreign, but also literally strange) for their own purposes from the beginning. I lived in Germany for ten years and saw the results firsthand. At the time it was nothing to do with Islam, except as an added dose of "strangeness". It was pure xenophobia. In my town, a young man accused of shoplifting was strangled to death in broad daylight by a shop attendant. The DA declined to prosecute. At the demonstration I attended, an incensed German lady of the middlebrow sort yelled at me that the whole thing had been "just a mishap" (bloß a Malöhr).

Now that the problem has become militant Islam, the same old haters are using that to preach the same old genocidal Rassenhass (race hatred). Yes, it's racism, with a veneer of opposing jihad. There's no getting away from it.

This is the dilemma: How to fight militant jihadists without becoming their mirror image. Some people care about that. Others don't. For them, the end justifies all means, even if (especially when) they deny it.

84 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:26:00pm

Is this the same David Weigel from Reason.com? That's a site I go to semi-regularly. Weigel's little more than a troll with posting privileges. Reason's regular commenters don't take him seriously compared to Welch, Sullum, and (controversial as he is) Balko.

GAZE

85 Truck Monkey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:26:41pm

re: #80 MandyManners

Well, spin a good yarn while I'm gone.

Damn. Beat me to it.

86 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:26:48pm

re: #80 MandyManners

I'm outta here at warp speed, the golden retriever's wuff is calling.
C ya'll.....

87 Cathypop  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:27:20pm

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Speaking of cooking, I've got some chicken breasts I've been marinading in some white wine and olive oil and garlic which I'll be serving with angel hair pasta with capers later. I'm trying to decide the best way to cook the chicken, I'm thinking low heat in an well oiled skillet, then slicing them into strips before adding the marinade in and rendering it down to a light sauce. I'm not sure if I might want to add butter in to thicken the sauce some. Any thoughts?


Throw those babies on the grill. MMMMMM!

88 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:27:38pm

re: #78 Dianna

Thank you for picking up on that! I missed it.

Speaking of missing things - got to go Home to cook Dinner!

89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:27:41pm

My first post was gold baby, gold.

90 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:27:46pm

And Charles, on the subject of this thread: If that's the best they can do, I'm surprised they bother posting it.

91 Kragar  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:27:53pm

re: #81 albusteve

nope

It didn't seem quite right to me either. My wife is a big fan of using a little butter to grill chicken with. I'm going to stick with the olive oil.

92 Russkilitlover  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:28:33pm

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Speaking of cooking, I've got some chicken breasts I've been marinading in some white wine and olive oil and garlic which I'll be serving with angel hair pasta with capers later. I'm trying to decide the best way to cook the chicken, I'm thinking low heat in an well oiled skillet, then slicing them into strips before adding the marinade in and rendering it down to a light sauce. I'm not sure if I might want to add butter in to thicken the sauce some. Any thoughts?

Skins on or off?

93 Kragar  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:28:53pm

re: #92 Russkilitlover

Skins on or off?

Skinless

94 Killian Bundy  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:28:55pm

re: #71 Conservative in Liberal Hands

The article states "More than one million people, mostly European Jews, perished at the Auschwitz-Birkenau twin death camps during World War II." I was taught that it was more like 8-million and in doing some reading the figure is closer to thirteen-million if one counts the eastern front atrocities.

/there were quite a few different camps

95 opnion  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:28:57pm

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Speaking of cooking, I've got some chicken breasts I've been marinading in some white wine and olive oil and garlic which I'll be serving with angel hair pasta with capers later. I'm trying to decide the best way to cook the chicken, I'm thinking low heat in an well oiled skillet, then slicing them into strips before adding the marinade in and rendering it down to a light sauce. I'm not sure if I might want to add butter in to thicken the sauce some. Any thoughts?


You had to post that while I am starving. It sounds delicious. Let me come over for dinner & I will rave about it no matter how you prepare it.
Slurp!

96 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:29:05pm

re: #60 Gus 802

Thanks for posting. I really didn't understand his point. Since he's a Paulian I guess that's a good of an explanation as any.

97 researchok  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:29:21pm

On a day with a whole lot going on, this is the best Weigel can come up with?

When you do your job well, someone will always paint a bulls eye on your back. In a way, Charles ought to be flattered.

It's interesting to note that his critics all want to knock him over- if for no other reason than they know they can't replace him. LGF is a daily reminder that credibility is earned and not achieved by screaming and catering to the lowest common denominator.

98 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:29:23pm

re: #68 Thanos

corrections "Yes it is, also..." "Hamas=Hezbollah"

99 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:29:40pm

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It didn't seem quite right to me either. My wife is a big fan of using a little butter to grill chicken with. I'm going to stick with the olive oil.

that's how Chic-N-Moo does it

100 Truck Monkey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:29:59pm

re: #92 Russkilitlover

Skins on or off?

Kind of a personal question isn't it?

//

101 eon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:30:09pm

re: #69 thebigolddog

O/T

Panic on the streets on NYC today.

Air Force One Flyby Of Goldman Sachs Tower

Proof of the new 9/10 mindset? You be the judge.

The One is reportedly "furious' about this. Not annoyed enough to actually fire anybody, like the guy who authorized it a month ago and neglected to mention it to the New York Mayor's office. (Bloomberg isn't too happy, either.)

/Air Force One's aircrew, acting on orders from their chain of command, get thrown under the bus in three, two, one.....

cheers

eon

102 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:30:13pm

re: #67 MandyManners

*smooch*

And she walked out of his life forever.

Oh well, story of my life.

103 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:30:16pm

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sear those puppies quickly in a really hot skillet on both sides for a minute or two, and then turn the flame way down to a simmer to finish. Best way is to use a mixture of two parts oil to one part butter.

104 JCM  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:30:41pm

re: #41 Killian Bundy

Workers find message in Auschwitz bottle

/this ought to be interesting

The holocaust is a myth.... the message must be fake.

/// Dinnerjacket et. al.

105 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:31:46pm

Yes, Weigel's with Reason, or was. He's lukewarm towards Luap Nor, but I don't think he's in the Raimondo camp.

106 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:31:48pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

Thanks for posting. I really didn't understand his point. Since he's a Paulian I guess that's a good of an explanation as any.

YW. Subject to verification but he does seem like a Paulian at this point. He also displays the symptoms of the average Paulian.

He's probably "pissed off" about the anti-Paulian stance at LGF.

107 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:31:48pm

Hoops is lurking.
(((HOOPS)))

108 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:32:39pm

Did you know that the Tamiflu (sp?) medicine is available over the counter in Mexico.

We have to have a prescription.

109 Dianna  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:32:43pm

Well, I'm headed for home. I promise, when I get home, if I pop in, not to preach about Sudan, or harass my readers.

I'm sure that's a relief. Ha!

Anyway, take care, lizards.

110 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:32:53pm

re: #103 tradewind

Sear those puppies quickly in a really hot skillet on both sides for a minute or two, and then turn the flame way down to a simmer to finish. Best way is to use a mixture of two parts oil to one part butter.

Hey! I thought he was cooking chicken. You say he's cooking puppies? Barbarian.
/

111 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:32:54pm

re: #102 DEZes

And she walked out of his life forever.

Oh well, story of my life.

Yep, and that to me who is so out of luck on the love issue. ;-)

112 Kragar  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:33:13pm

Nothing like a good ole fashioned political eviceration:

To the delight of California’s illegal aliens, socialists, unqualified minority job-seekers and militant bicyclers who blow up Hummer dealerships in the name of suffering polar bears, smarmy San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom announced on Tuesday he is running for governor in 2010. Newsom chose San Francisco-based Twitter─the de facto, mandatory communication tool for hip celebs and gossipy high school girls─to officially reveal his plans. Indeed, inexperienced, over-packaged, provincial narcissists with radical agendas, cocaine issues, elitism fetishes, an undeserved sense of entitlement and contempt for the American way of life aren’t just for the White House anymore. California has found change it can believe in.

113 Russkilitlover  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:33:45pm

re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Skinless

Oh. Well when I cook chicken breast, I brown all sides in a little oil. Remove chicken to a platter and them make your sauce. Pour sauce over chicken and finish in the oven. Comes out very moist and tasty. You can always remove the skin prior to eating, but fat adds flavor and sometimes you can get those skinless breasts and they just taste like dust.

114 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:33:46pm

re: #107 DEZes

Hoops is lurking.
(((HOOPS)))

Hey Friend..I'm not lurking..Just reading other threads for now..
Say a prayer for DustyVet tonight..He lost his Sister

115 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:34:34pm

re: #108 Walter L. Newton

Did you know that the Tamiflu (sp?) medicine is available over the counter in Mexico.

We have to have a prescription.

part of the general healthcare scam

116 opnion  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:34:43pm

re: #108 Walter L. Newton

Did you know that the Tamiflu (sp?) medicine is available over the counter in Mexico.

We have to have a prescription.

Did you catch Napalitanos press conference yesterday. She said something like State of emergency, but no reason to be too concerned.
Anybody else hear that?

117 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:34:46pm

I've never had chicken. What does it taste like?
/

118 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:35:04pm

re: #117 LGoPs

I've never had chicken. What does it taste like?
/

Alligator

119 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:35:30pm

re: #111 callahan23

Yep, and that to me who is so out of luck on the love issue. ;-)

Mandy gave you a smooch after I said I luv her.

I completely did not think, I owe you a very big apology.
Sorry for my inconsiderate stupidity.

120 thebigolddog  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:36:10pm

re: #74 tradewind

A Fighter jet has followed a low flying, jumbo jet circling 1,000 feet above lower Manhattan since 9/11? I had no idea.

121 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:36:14pm
122 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:36:22pm

There's nothing wrong with positions or associations changing over time, especially when those changes come about because of research, reflection, betrayals, etc.

I've been betrayed by friends in the past- I don't hang out with them anymore, nor would I associate with them. I've changed political affiliations because after reflecting and researching I realized I wasn't really a democrat.

I think it's called evolution. People can and do change their minds on subjects. To try to smear someone for a position they no longer hold, that they've distanced themselves from (and possibly regret), is the height of pettiness.

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:36:26pm

re: #83 Cato the Elder

Nicely written!

124 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:36:36pm

23:07 U.S. plans to expand program for Abbas`s forces (Reuters)

Why? And I guess that's more of our stimulus money going down that rat hole?

125 acwgusa  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:36:40pm

Never compromise your principles, Charles. Those who do, never had any principles to begin with.

126 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:36:46pm

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Speaking of cooking, I've got some chicken breasts I've been marinading in some white wine and olive oil and garlic which I'll be serving with angel hair pasta with capers later. I'm trying to decide the best way to cook the chicken, I'm thinking low heat in an well oiled skillet, then slicing them into strips before adding the marinade in and rendering it down to a light sauce. I'm not sure if I might want to add butter in to thicken the sauce some. Any thoughts?

Send that recipe to reine.de.tout for the next cookbook

127 Killian Bundy  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:37:01pm

re: #116 opnion

Did you catch Napalitanos press conference yesterday. She said something like State of emergency, but no reason to be too concerned.
Anybody else hear that?

It's SOP, they do it as a precaution for all sorts of potential emergencies, like hurricanes.

/so they can legally release funds and preposition equipment and supplies

128 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:37:14pm

re: #114 HoosierHoops

Hey Friend..I'm not lurking..Just reading other threads for now..
Say a prayer for DustyVet tonight..He lost his Sister

Sending him a check in the mail, I cant spring for an airline ticket.
But I can still help.
Storms coming my way Hoops, hows up north?

129 Soona'  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:37:16pm

re: #108 Walter L. Newton

Did you know that the Tamiflu (sp?) medicine is available over the counter in Mexico.

We have to have a prescription.

It's really doing the Mexicans a lot of good, isn't it?

130 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:37:17pm

re: #119 DEZes

Mandy gave you a smooch after I said I luv her.

I completely did not think, I owe you a very big apology.
Sorry for my inconsiderate stupidity.

Everybody loves Mandy. It's mandytory on this site......
:)

131 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:37:29pm

re: #118 Nevergiveup

Alligator

I had Alligator tail once..They said it tastes like chicken..That is such BS..Tastes like crap..Must have needed a gallon of sweet baby rays BBQ sauce.

132 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:37:39pm

re: #115 albusteve

part of the general healthcare scam

Well, it does make me wonder. These flu strains are not going away, it's been evident for years that these sort of outbreaks can happen, yet we have a situation that we have to have an appointment to a doctor or some sort of prescription to get this medicine.

And then when something like this happens, we hear about the government sending out 12 million doses across the country.

That's a drop in the bucket. There are over 300 million people here. Why would we make such a drug so hard to get.

I'm missing something here, right?

133 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:37:53pm

re: #119 DEZes

Mandy gave you a smooch after I said I luv her.

I completely did not think, I owe you a very big apology.
Sorry for my inconsiderate stupidity.

Oh gosh, NOooo, no apologies needed. Particularly not from you, a manly {DEZes}
;-)

134 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:38:02pm

re: #126 Alouette

Send that recipe to reine.de.tout for the next cookbook

is she accepting recipes?...I have a chicken slomgoo she might like

135 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:38:05pm

Good evening, Lizards.

136 Kragar  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:38:14pm

re: #113 Russkilitlover

Oh. Well when I cook chicken breast, I brown all sides in a little oil. Remove chicken to a platter and them make your sauce. Pour sauce over chicken and finish in the oven. Comes out very moist and tasty. You can always remove the skin prior to eating, but fat adds flavor and sometimes you can get those skinless breasts and they just taste like dust.

Thats why I've given them since last nite to marinade, plus I poked holes and flipped them a few times so hoping they're nicely basted. I'm going to use olive oil to grease the skillet up to a medium heat to get them started, then slice them into strips and reduce the heat. Once those get close to being done, I'll pour the marinade over them and let it render down some.

137 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:38:18pm

re: #125 acwgusa

Never compromise your principles, Charles. Those who do, never had any principles to begin with.

Unless you find your Principal in a compromising situation. Or your Dean for that matter........
/

138 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:38:24pm

Someone should tell Mr. Weigel that flattery will get him nowhere.

139 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:38:32pm

re: #131 HoosierHoops

I had Alligator tail once..They said it tastes like chicken..That is such BS..Tastes like crap..Must have needed a gallon of sweet baby rays BBQ sauce.

It tastes good. I have mine deep fried with a cajun ranch dip. But taste is...uh...a matter of taste.

140 opnion  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:38:33pm

re: #127 Killian Bundy

It's SOP, they do it as a precaution for all sorts of potential emergencies, like hurricanes.

/so they can legally release funds and preposition equipment and supplies

That's the answer then. Thanks

141 Ojoe  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:38:37pm

Go Charles go!

142 researchok  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:38:51pm

re: #68 Thanos

Agreed.

Positive confrontation can a good thing, to be sure. Adversarial confrontation is a whole other thing- it just about always guarantees a negative and escalating response.

I recall a visit to Syria a number of years ago. My hosts were on the government dole and thus made sure to parrot the party line.

I noted the gracious hospitality my hosts had extended and remarked that 'only good people could be so gracious'.

The effect was quite remarkable. Our conversation was far less stilted and guarded and scripted. By acknowledging them on the merits of their behaviour, they made comfortable. They began to reflect the same hopes, dreams, aspirations, etc., as anyone else.

We talked about some serious stuff to be sure and disagreed on much. That said, we parted less as mortal enemies and more as political adversaries.

It was a start.

143 Soona'  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:39:01pm

re: #122 Sharmuta

There's nothing wrong with positions or associations changing over time, especially when those changes come about because of research, reflection, betrayals, etc.

I've been betrayed by friends in the past- I don't hang out with them anymore, nor would I associate with them. I've changed political affiliations because after reflecting and researching I realized I wasn't really a democrat.

I think it's called evolution. People can and do change their minds on subjects. To try to smear someone for a position they no longer hold, that they've distanced themselves from (and possibly regret), is the height of pettiness.

EVOLUTION? Why you you.
/creationist off

144 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:39:02pm

OT: via Jay Nordlinger at NRO:

Did you note what our president said in Strasbourg? “I think that it is important for Europe to understand that even though I’m now president and George Bush is no longer president, al-Qaeda is still a threat. We cannot pretend somehow that because Barack Hussein Obama got elected as president, suddenly everything is going to be okay.”

Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you very, very much. Thank you ever so much. Gee.

There’s an expression I heard some years ago that I like very much: “Get over yourself.”

And with that, I bid you adieu... for now.

145 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:39:14pm

re: #116 opnion

Did you catch Napalitanos press conference yesterday. She said something like State of emergency, but no reason to be too concerned.
Anybody else hear that?

A talk show host here in the Denver area just said Colorado governor Ritter said to stock up on food and water, but I can't find that info anywhere. I emailed the host (he's on now) to try to get some clarification on that point.

Knowing this host, he is probably talking through the top of his head, but I'm still interested where he thinks he got that info from.

He's got Glen beck on right now.

146 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:39:27pm

re: #133 callahan23

Oh gosh, NOooo, no apologies needed. Particularly not from you, a manly {DEZes}
;-)

Thanks, but it was stupid of me and I know it.
{callahan23}

147 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:39:28pm

Hey, has anyone noticed the startling "separated at birth" resemblance of Pam Geller and Linsday Lohan? I'll bet they even share the same I.Q.

148 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:39:35pm

re: #131 HoosierHoops

I had Alligator tail once..They said it tastes like chicken..That is such BS..Tastes like crap..Must have needed a gallon of sweet baby rays BBQ sauce.

I had it once also and was not really all that taken with it either. Seemed alittle stringy to me if I remember right? But I do lover rabbit and boy does that piss my wife and kids off.

149 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:39:43pm

re: #117 LGoPs

I've never had chicken. What does it taste like?
/

Rabbit.

150 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:39:50pm

re: #135 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

Di you get Dustyvets request. Did you get the update on Dustyvet?

151 Kragar  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:39:53pm

re: #126 Alouette

Send that recipe to reine.de.tout for the next cookbook

Got to see how it turns out first. I'm pretty much a "lets throw this together and see what we get" cook, but it usually comes out OK.

152 Mithrax  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:40:01pm

*goes OT*

*does the Curly Shuffle*

woobwoobwoobwoobwoob.

Sometimes I just love YouTube.

*goes back on topic*

153 researchok  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:40:03pm

re: #122 Sharmuta

Excellent.

They call that 'growth'.

154 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:40:18pm

re: #131 HoosierHoops

I had Alligator tail once..They said it tastes like chicken..That is such BS..Tastes like crap..Must have needed a gallon of sweet baby rays BBQ sauce.

That sounds like a croc of ..........oh, never mind.
:)

155 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:40:19pm

re: #147 Alouette

Hey, has anyone noticed the startling "separated at birth" resemblance of Pam Geller and Linsday Lohan? I'll bet they even share the same I.Q.

They use it on alternating days?

156 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:40:23pm

re: #131 HoosierHoops

I had Alligator tail once..They said it tastes like chicken..That is such BS..Tastes like crap..Must have needed a gallon of sweet baby rays BBQ sauce.

Try the rattlesnake next time, its not bad.

157 Kragar  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:41:09pm

re: #154 LGoPs

That sounds like a croc of ..........oh, never mind.
:)

No, croc tastes completey different than gator

158 Ojoe  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:41:12pm

re: #156 DEZes

I would like a car alarm that set off a rattlesnake buzz.

159 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:41:18pm

re: #147 Alouette

Hey, has anyone noticed the startling "separated at birth" resemblance of Pam Geller and Linsday Lohan? I'll bet they even share the same I.Q.

Does Geller also go commando?

160 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:41:28pm

Here's David at Reason, I used to carry Hit and Run blog in my sidebar but deleted way back for the same reason I deleted Jihad watch... a lot of rabid, unreasoned comments. The other reason was the Raimondo axis and posts that were waxing apoplectic for Luap Nor.

161 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:41:36pm

re: #131 HoosierHoops

I had Alligator tail once..They said it tastes like chicken..That is such BS..Tastes like crap..Must have needed a gallon of sweet baby rays BBQ sauce.

Then my crocodile was kind of a fatty crap. Or was it crab? ;-)

162 Soona'  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:41:37pm

re: #135 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

Hi Goddess. People here are in the middle of cooking some chicken. :)

163 Mithrax  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:41:43pm

re: #159 Nevergiveup

Does Geller also go commando?

Do. Not. Want.

164 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:41:52pm

re: #149 calcajun

Rabbit.

I think rabbit is better

165 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:41:53pm

re: #132 Walter L. Newton

Well, it does make me wonder. These flu strains are not going away, it's been evident for years that these sort of outbreaks can happen, yet we have a situation that we have to have an appointment to a doctor or some sort of prescription to get this medicine.

And then when something like this happens, we hear about the government sending out 12 million doses across the country.

That's a drop in the bucket. There are over 300 million people here. Why would we make such a drug so hard to get.

I'm missing something here, right?

no...recall the 200$ office call...the AMA is scared to death that people might self medicate...I had a femoral bypass last fall...I was in terrific pain yet I never got more than 30 Vicoden before I had to go back to the doctor for another perscription...this went on for four months

166 MandyManners  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:42:02pm

re: #83 Cato the Elder

I am stupefied that Germany denies citizenship to those who helped rebuild its economy following WW2. I'd never heard of that. To me, that's slavery in the political sense.

167 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:42:05pm
168 Russkilitlover  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:42:07pm

re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats why I've given them since last nite to marinade, plus I poked holes and flipped them a few times so hoping they're nicely basted. I'm going to use olive oil to grease the skillet up to a medium heat to get them started, then slice them into strips and reduce the heat. Once those get close to being done, I'll pour the marinade over them and let it render down some.

Lesson I've learned the hard way (many ruined meals LOL). Do not pierce the meat hoping your marinade will soak in. When you cook it, the moisture runs right out and you're left with a dry chewy piece of meat.

169 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:42:36pm

re: #128 DEZes

Sending him a check in the mail, I cant spring for an airline ticket.
But I can still help.
Storms coming my way Hoops, hows up north?

Nice..
Well let's see..12 hours ago they said the storms are going to hit tonight..
I hope not..But this is Indiana right..You've got to be solid stock to survive here../That's what they tell me..I'm a California native...Weather here is something else

170 opnion  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:42:37pm

re: #145 Walter L. Newton

A talk show host here in the Denver area just said Colorado governor Ritter said to stock up on food and water, but I can't find that info anywhere. I emailed the host (he's on now) to try to get some clarification on that point.

Knowing this host, he is probably talking through the top of his head, but I'm still interested where he thinks he got that info from.

He's got Glen beck on right now.

I just got the feeling listening to the press conference that the Government expects something serious & that they are tgryi ng to avoid a panic.
I could have the thing all wrong, but I did get that feeling.

171 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:42:45pm

re: #157 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, croc tastes completey different than gator

Seriously?

172 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:42:51pm

re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats why I've given them since last nite to marinade, plus I poked holes and flipped them a few times so hoping they're nicely basted. I'm going to use olive oil to grease the skillet up to a medium heat to get them started, then slice them into strips and reduce the heat. Once those get close to being done, I'll pour the marinade over them and let it render down some.

add half a can of Beef-O-Roni when they hit the Wok....seriously

173 Ojoe  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:43:06pm

re: #161 callahan23

What was that movie with the mafia don that had a scam making secret banquets with endangered species?

It was a comedy.

174 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:43:10pm

re: #150 Walter L. Newton

Di you get Dustyvets request. Did you get the update on Dustyvet?

I did get his sad news, but I didn't get the update. Would you please tell me what it is?

175 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:43:31pm

re: #158 Ojoe

I would like a car alarm that set off a rattlesnake buzz.

Heh, I want one that grabs the thief by the neck.

176 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:43:42pm

re: #143 Soona'

EVOLUTION? Why you you.
/creationist off

Actually- that's a great example for me personally. I didn't understand at first what the problem was with Intelligent Design. It wasn't that I rejected evolution, I just didn't know what ID meant, or what their ulterior motives were. But once I started learning more about it, I realized it didn't subscribe to ID, but theistic evolution instead, and that ID was a sham.

When people take the time to learn about things- their positions might just change. Nothing wrong about that, and I think it's petty for this weigel person to attempt to shame Charles.

177 Ojoe  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:43:54pm

re: #167 buzzsawmonkey

ROFLMAO

178 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:44:04pm

re: #173 Ojoe

What was that movie with the mafia don that had a scam making secret banquets with endangered species?

It was a comedy.

Know the movie can't remember the name

179 Russkilitlover  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:44:19pm

re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats why I've given them since last nite to marinade, plus I poked holes and flipped them a few times so hoping they're nicely basted. I'm going to use olive oil to grease the skillet up to a medium heat to get them started, then slice them into strips and reduce the heat. Once those get close to being done, I'll pour the marinade over them and let it render down some.


Oh, one more thing. I would let the chicken "rest" after you brown them while you make your sauce - this lets the juices run back into the middle of the meat. Make/render your sauce, then slice chicken and heat just enough to finish cooking (no pink). Anytime you cut meat, you are release moisture.

180 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:44:47pm

re: #166 MandyManners

I am stupefied that Germany denies citizenship to those who helped rebuild its economy following WW2. I'd never heard of that. To me, that's slavery in the political sense.

When I lived there in the mid-80's many of the workers were Turks. There was a growing problem even back then. Europe has very little cause to lecture us on how we behave.

181 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:45:23pm

"The Freshman"

[Link: movies.sky.com...]

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:45:40pm

re: #166 MandyManners

I am stupefied that Germany denies citizenship to those who helped rebuild its economy following WW2. I'd never heard of that. To me, that's slavery in the political sense.

It also, to me, explains why militant political Islam might be appealing to people who have been given no stake in the country they live in.

183 yesandno  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:45:51pm

Adults continue to learn their entire lives. Their fundamentals stay intact, but their knowledge of the world expands.

No apologies are necessary. Never understood why we attack people for having a change of mind based upon new information....

Too often we align ourselves with others that agree with us on some things, but whose fundamentals are different or can be tossed aside for expediency. Then we have a decision to make...and it is not often an easy one.

You are right about this Charles....because you would rather be consistent then popular. Admitting mistakes is something with which these people are unfamiliar...they know not honor when they see it.

184 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:46:14pm

re: #156 DEZes

Try the rattlesnake next time, its not bad.

You know I'm terrified of snakes...They freak me out...

185 Ojoe  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:46:15pm

re: #181 Nevergiveup

Thanks! That was a fun movie.

186 mikeymom  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:46:23pm

re: #174 goddessoftheclassroom

hi goddess--would you please add to the list--mikeydads cousin's hubby- just diagnosed w/lung and brain cancer.. thanks--and while you are at it, my sister can be put on thanksgiving list after her stroke.. thanks for all you do--

187 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:46:35pm

re: #169 HoosierHoops

Nice..
Well let's see..12 hours ago they said the storms are going to hit tonight..
I hope not..But this is Indiana right..You've got to be solid stock to survive here../That's what they tell me..I'm a California native...Weather here is something else

We always say if you dont like the weather here, just wait an hour.
Well, the high thursday was 50 and I scraped ice off my windows that morning, low last night, 77. lol.

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:47:05pm

re: #173 Ojoe

What was that movie with the mafia don that had a scam making secret banquets with endangered species?

It was a comedy.

Dang. I know which one you mean. They bring in the komodo dragon they're going to cook, and there's a guy singing a version of the Miss America theme.

Can't remember the title.

189 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:47:08pm

re: #135 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

O Hai!

190 Kragar  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:47:18pm

re: #179 Russkilitlover

Oh, one more thing. I would let the chicken "rest" after you brown them while you make your sauce - this lets the juices run back into the middle of the meat. Make/render your sauce, then slice chicken and heat just enough to finish cooking (no pink). Anytime you cut meat, you are release moisture.

With the sauce I have made already, I was going to add it to the cut strips, almost like a saute

191 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:47:32pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

Dang. I know which one you mean. They bring in the komodo dragon they're going to cook, and there's a guy singing a version of the Miss America theme.

Can't remember the title.


"The Freshman"

192 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:47:36pm

re: #163 Mithrax

Do. Not. Want.

That needs a visual. Maybe this one, or perhaps this one.

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:47:43pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

Dang. I know which one you mean. They bring in the komodo dragon they're going to cook, and there's a guy singing a version of the Miss America theme.

Can't remember the title.

Wait, it's the one where the boy is in love with the boss' daughter, and they have the Mona Lisa in their house?

194 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:47:59pm

re: #184 HoosierHoops

You know I'm terrified of snakes...They freak me out...


Think how you make them feel. ;)

195 Soona'  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:48:09pm

re: #173 Ojoe

What was that movie with the mafia don that had a scam making secret banquets with endangered species?

It was a comedy.

"The Underclassman" ?

196 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:48:36pm

re: #195 Soona'

"The Underclassman" ?

The Freshman

197 Killian Bundy  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:48:36pm

re: #140 opnion

That's the answer then. Thanks

The daily press conferences and wall to wall media panic are a bit much though. It's the FLU and, so far, there's only 40 confirmed U.S. cases, with one hospitalization, and no deaths. Multiply that by 100 and it's still the FLU.

/40,000 people die of the FLU in this country every year no matter how much we prepare and fret about it

198 Soona'  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:48:43pm

re: #181 Nevergiveup

"The Freshman"

[Link: movies.sky.com...]

Yeah. That's it.

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:48:50pm

re: #191 Nevergiveup

"The Freshman"

Thanks.

200 Alaska Kim  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:48:58pm

Good afternoon, y'all.

201 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:49:00pm

re: #195 Soona'

"The Underclassman" ?

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

202 Kragar  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:49:06pm

Well, I'm off to ruin some chicken, later

203 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:49:29pm

re: #202 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, I'm off to ruin some chicken, later

Nothing a few beers can't solve

204 Ojoe  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:49:47pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, they have the real mona lisa. The mafia guy swiped it & substituted a copy.

ROFLMAO

205 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:49:52pm

re: #203 Nevergiveup

Nothing a few beers can't solve

I like the way you think. ;)

206 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:50:18pm

re: #186 mikeymom

hi goddess--would you please add to the list--mikeydads cousin's hubby- just diagnosed w/lung and brain cancer.. thanks--and while you are at it, my sister can be put on thanksgiving list after her stroke.. thanks for all you do--

Done, I'm so sorry about your husband's cousin, but I'm so happy about your sister.

207 opnion  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:50:20pm

re: #197 Killian Bundy

The daily press conferences and wall to wall media panic are a bit much though. It's the FLU and, so far, there's only 40 confirmed U.S. cases, with one hospitalization, and no deaths. Multiply that by 100 and it's still the FLU.

/40,000 people die of the FLU in this country every year no matter how much we prepare and fret about it

That's alll true , but I think that they are unsure as to how this thing willl mutate. They just seemed pretty concerned to me.

208 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:50:22pm

re: #194 DEZes

Think how you make them feel. ;)

You could be 6'7" 235lb running the lane full speed and I promise you..I'll step in front of you..
I see a little snake..I'll run screaming like a little girl..They freak me out.

209 Russkilitlover  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:50:27pm

re: #190 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

With the sauce I have made already, I was going to add it to the cut strips, almost like a saute

To avoid overcooking the chicken, I would heat the sauce first, then put the chicken in and toss around to coat and finish cooking. Chicken breast is tricky - can go from being juicy to shoe leather in 15 seconds!

210 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:50:30pm

re: #168 Russkilitlover

Also, when it comes to chicken (and fish) you really don't want to marinade them for more than an hour. Esp. if any kind of citrus or vinegar.

211 Ojoe  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:50:37pm

Where did the thread topic go?

LOL

Sorry Charles.

212 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:51:06pm

re: #204 Ojoe

Yes, they have the real mona lisa. The mafia guy swiped it & substituted a copy.

ROFLMAO

I know some Italian-Americans, all holding respectable non-criminal jobs, who would probably do that in a heartbeat, given the opportunity.

None of them would cook a komodo dragon though.

213 opnion  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:51:14pm

re: #204 Ojoe

Yes, they have the real mona lisa. The mafia guy swiped it & substituted a copy.

ROFLMAO

Was Matthew Brodrick in the movie?

214 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:51:31pm

re: #200 Alaska Kim

Good afternoon, y'all.

Nice seeing you kim

215 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:51:33pm
216 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:51:41pm

re: #211 Ojoe

Where did the thread topic go?

LOL

Sorry Charles.

It slithered away.....kind of like a snake.

217 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:52:35pm

re: #84 Zimriel

Is this the same David Weigel from Reason.com? That's a site I go to semi-regularly. Weigel's little more than a troll with posting privileges. Reason's regular commenters don't take him seriously compared to Welch, Sullum, and (controversial as he is) Balko.

GAZE

Gaze is correct.

Got some more info:

Dave Weigel's youtube channel as daveweigel81.

Notice his video collection. Lots of Ron Paul.

Also found this here:

Dave Weigel aka daveweigel81 is actually associate editor of Reason magazine,
who joined youtube just 1 month prior the incident in Goffstown. Weigel, according to his archive obviously a Ron Paul Observer, is also promoting Justin Martell from Student Scholars for 9/11 on Michelle Malkin on June 03, 2007.

218 Ojoe  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:52:35pm

re: #213 opnion

Yes he was. And Brando too.

219 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:52:42pm

re: #189 ConservatismNow!

O Hai!

Hi!

220 opnion  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:53:16pm

re: #218 Ojoe

Yes he was. And Brando too.

Thank's, that's the one.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:53:27pm

re: #208 HoosierHoops

You could be 6'7" 235lb running the lane full speed and I promise you..I'll step in front of you..
I see a little snake..I'll run screaming like a little girl..They freak me out.

Spiders scare me. I barely made it through the episode with Shelob in the LOTR movies. Snakes are just snakes. I kind of like holding them.

It's odd how specific these things are.

222 Alaska Kim  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:53:31pm

re: #214 HoosierHoops

Nice seeing you kim

Thanks. It's in the 60's today, and wolves are on the prowl again. They're snatching doggies off of the running/bike trails. I wonder if people will ever comprehend what a "leash law" is.

223 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:53:43pm

re: #166 MandyManners

I am stupefied that Germany denies citizenship to those who helped rebuild its economy following WW2. I'd never heard of that. To me, that's slavery in the political sense.

Well, it's gotten easier for people to naturalize themselves there, much to Germany's credit. But the basis of the law,

224 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:53:46pm

re: #209 Russkilitlover
You said breast......And it's only monday!
Sheeesh!
LOL
Chicken is tricky if the BBQ is too hot!

225 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:54:21pm

re: #219 goddessoftheclassroom

Hi!

Be still thine heart.
MWAH!

226 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:54:25pm

re: #208 HoosierHoops

You could be 6'7" 235lb running the lane full speed and I promise you..I'll step in front of you..
I see a little snake..I'll run screaming like a little girl..They freak me out.

My older brother kept pet snakes growing up, hated em with a vengance after he came back from Nam.
Our first fishing trip together after he got back, he went ballistic on a water snake with dads oar, Dad just said, Dont mind ya killen the snake, but I liked that oar in one piece.

227 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:55:12pm
People change, times change, and so do opinions; the only person who doesn’t change his or her opinions is a blind ideologue.

For me, LGF has been a driving force in helping me to understand various issues, and altering my opinions accordingly. From islam to euro-politics to science and more. Thank you for this wonderful site, Charles.

228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:55:44pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

Wait, it's the one where the boy is in love with the boss' daughter, and they have the Mona Lisa in their house?

"The Freshman" Matthew Broderick, Marlon Brando

229 Russkilitlover  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:55:48pm

re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist

Spiders scare me. I barely made it through the episode with Shelob in the LOTR movies. Snakes are just snakes. I kind of like holding them.

It's odd how specific these things are.

I'm the same way. The smallest spider in the house and I just freeze up - can't even get close enough to it to kill it. Snakes are cool, however. Had a couple as pets when I was a kid.

230 Wild Knight  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:55:54pm

These ceaseless attacks on Charles are disgusting. I've been following this blog since 2004 and I've yet to see Charles put a foot wrong. In many a way, Charles's greatest achievement is that he practises that most Hellenic of all virtues - moderation, that moderation which is not the state of being luke warm but the state opposed to exaggeration and excess. The moderation and balance on LGF, which Charles has displayed so consistently, has helped greatly to prevent me from suddenly tipping into excess myself at some stage or other. In this respect, I have occasionally learnt virtue from Charles. One final reflection. With the passage of time, the internet seems to me to be transforming into a dank lair of irrepressible insanity. People seem to be giving into their dark sides, to express egregious and extreme ideas. The more they do so, the more I find myself repelled by the internet community. But the more repelled I become, the more I find myself resorting to LGF so that I may enjoy this small oasis of sanity. Apart from LGF, the net is, as far as I'm concerned, Amazon, Bookdepository and Perseus(Go on, visit it, it's a jewel of a site). Thanks for the ἀρετή, Charles.

231 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:55:54pm

re: #166 MandyManners

Sorry, HTML malfunction (I still code by hand half the time):

I am stupefied that Germany denies citizenship to those who helped rebuild its economy following WW2. I'd never heard of that. To me, that's slavery in the political sense.

Well, it's gotten easier for people to naturalize themselves there, much to Germany's credit. But the basis of the law, jus sanguinis (literally "law of blood", i.e. your parents' ethnicity makes you German, not being born there) is still in place, so (correct me if I'm wrong, Gegenkritik!) there are literally millions of guest-worker descendants born, bred and educated in Germany who speak no other language than German and have no ties to their ancestral countries, who yet are not citizens.

Is this worse than the French and American jus natalis ("law of soil"), under which if you're so much as born in a plane over US territory, you're an American? You decide...

I'm sure there are those among the xenophobes and Rassisten who are overjoyed that, theoretically, all these people could be stripped of their residence permits and deported overnight. France, to the great distress of Le Pen and Hugh Fitzgerald, doesn't have that option. Nor do we.

Not saying it's likely to happen in present-day Germany. But it could.

Of course, a fascist regime in France could simply change the law, too.

Certain people are eager for exactly that to happen.

232 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:56:07pm

re: #208 HoosierHoops

You could be 6'7" 235lb running the lane full speed and I promise you..I'll step in front of you..
I see a little snake..I'll run screaming like a little girl..They freak me out.

I'm like that with cockroaches.......

233 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:56:17pm

re: #225 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Be still thine heart.
MWAH!

MWAH!

234 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:56:34pm

re: #222 Alaska Kim

If I ran or rode in Alaska it would be a real work out!
With a 12 gauge on my back and all..........
Hi ya Kim!
60's ....Sweet!

235 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:56:36pm

re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist

Spiders scare me. I barely made it through the episode with Shelob in the LOTR movies. Snakes are just snakes. I kind of like holding them.

It's odd how specific these things are.

The fact that I keep tarantulas as pets may not endear me too you then.
No I am not joking.

236 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:57:13pm

Oh forgot this... Charles, you can send him a copy of this classic...something to pour over old posts by...

237 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:57:32pm

re: #235 DEZes

The fact that I keep tarantulas as pets may not endear me too you then.
No I am not joking.

My wife, who is afraid of spiders too, actually is not scared of tarantulas. She did her research on them.

238 Alaska Kim  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:57:59pm

re: #234 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

If I ran or rode in Alaska it would be a real work out!
With a 12 gauge on my back and all..........
Hi ya Kim!
60's ....Sweet!

Yeah, you almost have to pack a gun. Grizzly bears and wolves are super aggressive these days. Worse than we've ever seen.

239 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:58:36pm

re: #233 goddessoftheclassroom

I left you a comment above, maybe you missed it. Did you get the info on Dustyvet and his prayer request?

Did you see the update on Dustyvet that I posted?

240 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:58:38pm

re: #235 DEZes

The fact that I keep tarantulas as pets may not endear me too you then.
No I am not joking.

Yech. How big are they?

241 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:58:42pm

re: #226 DEZes

My older brother kept pet snakes growing up, hated em with a vengance after he came back from Nam.
Our first fishing trip together after he got back, he went ballistic on a water snake with dads oar, Dad just said, Dont mind ya killen the snake, but I liked that oar in one piece.

You kind of get that way when you've been to a place that's infested with these critters.

Njagh njagh!

242 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:58:49pm

re: #233 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

A dog's life is dangerous

243 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:58:51pm

re: #238 Alaska Kim

Yeah, you almost have to pack a gun. Grizzly bears and wolves are super aggressive these days. Worse than we've ever seen.

Have you tried diplomacy? I hear that's popular nowadays

244 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:58:58pm

re: #237 ConservatismNow!

My wife, who is afraid of spiders too, actually is not scared of tarantulas. She did her research on them.

That is strange. Any ideas why they dont scare her?

245 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:59:02pm

re: #238 Alaska Kim

Yeah, you almost have to pack a gun. Grizzly bears and wolves are super aggressive these days. Worse than we've ever seen.

Disgruntled Republican's I guess?

246 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:59:14pm

re: #238 Alaska Kim

Any reason why they behave this way?
Hard winter?
Mating season...?

247 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 3:59:54pm

re: #246 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

/appeasement/

248 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:00:51pm

Next, weigel will be combing through AS and JW, right?

/not holding my breath

249 Soona'  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:00:56pm

re: #215 buzzsawmonkey

It takes a really big oven, anyway.

And they're really hard to stuff into a smoker too.

250 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:01:05pm

re: #240 LGoPs

Yech. How big are they?

About the size of my hand, I like the red legs.
astonishing jumpers too.

251 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:01:14pm

re: #244 DEZes

That is strange. Any ideas why they dont scare her?

She said it's because they are generally not aggressive towards humans and their venom is about as potent as a bee sting. I don't know if it's true or not, but if she's not afraid of them anymore I'm okay with it.

252 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:01:24pm

OT
Senator Burris (formerly shunned by Dems) today called fellow Illinois senator Dick Durbin a senior citizen, instead of a Senior Senator, at a window factory where VP Joe Biden and the local democrats turned out to bloviate.
Per Brent Baer's video clip on Fox News.

253 Russkilitlover  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:01:35pm

re: #238 Alaska Kim

Yeah, you almost have to pack a gun. Grizzly bears and wolves are super aggressive these days. Worse than we've ever seen.

They're pissed because their great-great-great grandcubs are saddled with ginormous Federal debt. Maybe.

254 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:01:48pm

re: #241 callahan23

You kind of get that way when you've been to a place that's infested with these critters.


Njagh njagh!

I have that movie somewhere. ;)

255 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:01:54pm

re: #229 Russkilitlover

I'm the same way. The smallest spider in the house and I just freeze up - can't even get close enough to it to kill it. Snakes are cool, however. Had a couple as pets when I was a kid.

Had an incident once in college where a garter snake a friend kept in a tank got out of its tank and took off around the apartment. Only person home was deathly afraid of the things. She called one of her roommates, who was over at my dorm room, sobbing. She was treed on a couch, afraid to put her feet on the floor. We came over and retrieved the snake, who was freaked out, and testy, and tried to strike when picked up. This nearly sent the snake fearer over the edge, although we both assured her that even if the teeny snake did bite, she was non-venomous, and it would be a bit like getting stapled.

I have no idea how she managed it to begin with. I could NOT have shared an apartment with someone who had a pet tarantula.

256 Alaska Kim  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:01:59pm

re: #246 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

I'm not sure. Wolves have been having a hard time finding food in wintertime, so have been killing pets/dogs for food.
Grizzly bears are pissier than ever if the salmon runs are low, not to mention a pissed of mom with her cubs.

257 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:02:04pm

re: #247 tradewind

I hear that a lot lately.......What's it mean?
/
I'm not an appeasing sort.....so I'm told!
Oh,sorry....they said appealing...........oops.

258 Soona'  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:02:24pm

re: #235 DEZes

The fact that I keep tarantulas as pets may not endear me too you then.
No I am not joking.

I believe in household arachnocide. :p

259 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:02:48pm

re: #239 Walter L. Newton

I left you a comment above, maybe you missed it. Did you get the info on Dustyvet and his prayer request?

Did you see the update on Dustyvet that I posted?

I saw you question, but you must not have seen my reply.

I did get Dustyvet's sad news, but please repeat the update. Thanks,

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:02:51pm

re: #235 DEZes

The fact that I keep tarantulas as pets may not endear me too you then.
No I am not joking.

Actually, the fact that the tarantulas are over at YOUR house, and presumably in safe containers, endears you to me quite a bit. Just don't invite me over for dinner.

261 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:03:05pm

re: #238 Alaska Kim

Yeah, you almost have to pack a gun. Grizzly bears and wolves are super aggressive these days. Worse than we've ever seen.

Best pointers I've heard for grizzlies are:
1) Wear bells on your clothing. The jingling will prevent walking up on one and surprising it.
2) Carry Pepper Spray
3) Be alert for signs of bear activity. Brown Bear spoor has berries and squirrel fur in it. Grizzly droppings have bells in it and a strong smell of pepper.
/ Nyuk, nyuk

262 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:03:08pm

re: #251 ConservatismNow!

She said it's because they are generally not aggressive towards humans and their venom is about as potent as a bee sting. I don't know if it's true or not, but if she's not afraid of them anymore I'm okay with it.

The bite is about like a bee sting, she is correct.
They have a bad rep from B movies.

263 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:03:31pm
264 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:03:40pm

re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist

Spiders scare me. I barely made it through the episode with Shelob in the LOTR movies. Snakes are just snakes. I kind of like holding them.

It's odd how specific these things are.

I have a young tarantula living just outside my patio...I always look for it but only see once in a blue moon....pretty cool

265 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:04:08pm

GM's dropping the Pontiac brand!
Now what would the 65 GTO I sold be worth?
Damn!

266 ConservatismNow!  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:04:19pm

re: #262 DEZes

The bite is about like a bee sting, she is correct.
They have a bad rep from B movies.

I knew that. It's part of the reason why tarantulas are used in movies. They are easy to work with.

267 Alaska Kim  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:04:37pm

re: #261 LGoPs

Best pointers I've heard for grizzlies are:
1) Wear bells on your clothing. The jingling will prevent walking up on one and surprising it.
2) Carry Pepper Spray
3)
Be alert for signs of bear activity. Brown Bear spoor has berries and
squirrel fur in it. Grizzly droppings have bells in it and a strong
smell of pepper.
/ Nyuk, nyuk

it's been known to happen!

268 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:04:38pm

re: #178 Nevergiveup

Know the movie can't remember the name

The Freshman.

Matthew Broderick and Marlon Brando

269 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:04:40pm

re: #250 DEZes

About the size of my hand, I like the red legs.
astonishing jumpers too.

Betcha you'd be more astonished at how much further I could jump......
:)

270 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:04:47pm

re: #258 Soona'

I believe in household arachnocide. :p

Mom killed dozens when I was still living at home. ;)

271 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:04:55pm

re: #180 LGoPs

When I lived there in the mid-80's many of the workers were Turks. There was a growing problem even back then. Europe has very little cause to lecture us on how we behave.

* * * *
Germany has a huge problem with HONOR KILLINGS, so it has witness protection programs for Germans to keep their own jihadist relatives from murdering them.

272 rawmuse  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:05:07pm

Punch line of the best bear joke, which, out of respect for the Terms, I shall not type,

"I'm beginning to think you aren't here for the hunting!"

273 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:05:19pm

re: #251 ConservatismNow!

She said it's because they are generally not aggressive towards humans and their venom is about as potent as a bee sting. I don't know if it's true or not, but if she's not afraid of them anymore I'm okay with it.

That's interesting. I'm not afraid of spiders for any rational reason like poison--there aren't many that are dangerous to people. They just FREAK ME OUT. Knowing that tarantulas are pleasantly disposed and non-dangerous does nothing to make them easy for me to be around.

274 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:05:39pm

re: #266 ConservatismNow!

I knew that. It's part of the reason why tarantulas are used in movies. They are easy to work with.

Sorry, I was affirming your statement.

275 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:06:24pm
276 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:06:24pm

re: #272 rawmuse

Punch line of the best bear joke, which, out of respect for the Terms, I shall not type,

"I'm beginning to think you aren't here for the hunting!"

What about the all-time classic punchline about filing off the front sight when hunting for bear with a handgun?

277 guftafs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:06:46pm

...and a post such as this will never be seen at either Jihadwatch or 'Atlas Shrugs'. Honesty is unbeatable in the long run, the only way to defend your interests. Thanks.

278 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:07:03pm

re: #269 LGoPs

Betcha you'd be more astonished at how much further I could jump......
:)

LMAO.

279 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:07:20pm

re: #265 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

GM's dropping the Pontiac brand!
Now what would the 65 GTO I sold be worth?
Damn!

plenty depending...stock, in excellent condition 40K

280 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:07:37pm

OK, I need to go and buy a copy of "The Great Gatsby".

See you all later.

281 Russkilitlover  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:07:38pm

re: #255 SanFranciscoZionist

I could NOT have shared an apartment with someone who had a pet tarantula.

Truer words were never spoken. Even writing about them on this thread is giving me the willies.

282 debutaunt  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:07:38pm

re: #63 MandyManners

BTW, in my first post, I spelled "Muslim" as "Muslin". I wanted to crawl into a hole and pull it in after me.

I spelled lizard incorrectly.

283 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:07:39pm

re: #275 buzzsawmonkey

Don't know if you saw this on the last thread, but you might like it.

OMG Buzz! Great!

284 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:08:01pm

re: #258 Soona'

Hi Soona,
are your flight plans for May arranged yet? (I'll be flying into Frankfurt in May for a day on my way to the Ukraine.) Just interested.
Cheers
Harry C.

285 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:08:07pm

re: #259 goddessoftheclassroom

OT - Ot - Dustyvet Update.

I'm doing better then I was last night, the family now has the results from Kathy's autopsy. I don't know if you where informed what happened yesterday afternoon. Kathy and her husband had just come home from afternoon church services. Kathy told told Fred, that she just needed to sit down for a bit, and rest, and that she felt very tired. Fred went into the kitchen to start dinner, for Kathy and their foster kids. They have a Sunday night tradition of making cold sandwiches , chips, dip and fruit. They then set up TV trays and watch TV and have dinner.

When Fred went back to the living room, Kathy was sitting in the recliner with her head down on her chest, and appeared to be sleeping. When he tried to wake her, she did not respond. The Paramedics where called, and attempted to revive her. kathy was taken to the hospital, but nothing could be done.

Kathy passed away from a massive heart attack while she slept. The tragic part is that, Kathy had just had her yearly medical exam about three weeks ago. Her GP Doctor had told her that she was in good health, and everything was OK.

The Funeral arrangements are pending. We are also working with the American Red Cross, to bring her son home from Germany on Emergency Leave.

The only other problem I'm having, is that being on a fixed income, I am unable to travel until the 1st when my VA check comes in. Please inform all the Lizards that The family and myself are doing fine, and we are hanging in there. Thanks to all the LGF folks who responded with their kind words.

Dustyvet

I got a lot of response from Lizards, and I did get Dustyvet's address, phone number and paypal account, so I passed that info on to the Lizards who emailed me.

So, hopefully he will get some help with the expenses of traveling. If any Lizards want the info, click on my name above, you will be linked to my web page and in the top right, you will see a link to email me and I will send you Dustyvet's info.

286 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:08:47pm

re: #239 Walter L. Newton

I left you a comment above, maybe you missed it. Did you get the info on Dustyvet and his prayer request?

Did you see the update on Dustyvet that I posted?

Walter,

I've been skimming your earlier posts - caught the notes about Dusty needing money for travel. I just sent an email with my contact info.

Thank you for posting that!

287 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:08:54pm

Israeli girl solders and their guns.

[Link: www.serialno3817131.com...]

288 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:09:12pm

And now for something you don't get everyday.

Music from Persia.

Partial lyrics:

morgh’e sahar, naale sar kon
daagh’e ma ra taaze tar kon
z’aah shararbar, een ghafas raa... Read More
barshekan o, zeer o zebar kon
bolbol’e par-baste, ze kaaj’e ghafas daraa
naghme’ye azadi no’e bashar saraa
va’z nafas arseye een khake tudeh ra,
por sharar kon
zolm, zalem
jor-e sayyad.
aasheeyan’am daade bar baad
ey khoda, ey falak, ey tabee-at
shaam’e taareek’e maara, sahar kon...

O morning bird, sadly sing and remind me
Of my pain afresh with a burning sigh
Break this cage and turn it upside down
Wing-tied nightingale, leave the corner of this cage
Compose the song of freedom for mankind
And with a breath, set fire to the battlefield
Of the mass of this earth.
The cruelty of tyrants and the injustice of huntsmen
Have broken my nest to the winds.
O God, O turning globe, O nature
Turn our dark night into dawn…

The song has oppositional overtones, which may explain why many in the audience are in tears - not to mention the ravishing virtuosity.

When Shajarian declines to play this song at a concert, they nearly riot.

289 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:09:22pm

re: #285 Walter L. Newton

I thought Hoosier Hoops took care of that?

290 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:09:35pm

re: #238 Alaska Kim

Yeah, you almost have to pack a gun. Grizzly bears and wolves are super aggressive these days. Worse than we've ever seen.

* * * *
They've been promised a bailout! They've joined the PETA crowd.

291 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:09:38pm

re: #263 goddessoftheclassroom

So's a kitteh's...

LOL!

292 Eowyn2  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:10:03pm

So,
1)
It made sense, and to an extent it was the function of the “everybody on board” mentality that gripped the political blogospheres before the collapse of the Bush presidency.
The Bush presidency withstood two terms. It did not 'collaps,' Bush could not have run again at any time so lets not blame him or his presidency for stupid shit they didn't do.

2)
But it’s striking reading Johnson’s old posts now. From November 9, 2004, reacting to the banning of far-right Dutch Belgian party Vlaams Blok:

While it’s hard to approve of every one of Vlaams Blok’s policies, there’s also no denying that this is very much a victory for European Islamic supremacist groups such as the openly radical, terror-supporting Arab-European League—because almost no one else opposes them.

True. - Restricting anyone's right to speech or peacable assembly is always good for their enemies.


2)
Atlas Shrugs is a year old today! Happy blogoversary, Pamela.
- I'm pretty sure I've seen Charles wish other people a happy birthday too.

From July 17, 2006:

3)
Atlas Shrugs has great coverage and lots of photographs of the Stand With Israel Rally in New York City.
True - it was very good coverage. Unfortunately, lately AS has headed beyond Islamist defiance to the brink of White Supremacy. Thats a very broad line to cross.

4
From November 18, 2007:

Tonight’s recommended book is Robert Spencer’s detailed, relentlessly factual comparison of Islam and Christianity, examining the history and the ideologies behind the question: Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn’t.

Charles - how dare you like a book!

293 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:10:06pm

Hey

Where is Avanti... maybe you would like to read this...

"The aircraft was a White House plane taking part in a classified, government-sanctioned photo shoot, the Federal Aviation Administration said."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

294 rawmuse  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:10:17pm

re: #285 Walter L. Newton

DustyVet's sister experienced what is often the first symptom of heart problems, i.e., sudden death.

My sincere condolences to DustyVet.

295 Soona'  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:10:51pm

re: #281 Russkilitlover

Truer words were never spoken. Even writing about them on this thread is giving me the willies.

Furry spider---Dead spider.

296 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:11:07pm

re: #286 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Done, back at you.

297 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:11:30pm

re: #287 Nevergiveup

I think I'm in love.

298 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:12:02pm

re: #285 Walter L. Newton

THANK YOU so much for letting me know. I've sent you an email to get more info.

299 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:12:04pm

re: #295 Soona'

Furry spider---Dead spider.

get a grip...killing anything not dangerous to you is irrational

300 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:12:05pm

re: #289 albusteve

I thought Hoosier Hoops took care of that?

We are working on it..Frontier doesn't fly there..I'm checking midwest connect for a hop into Minn.

301 Eowyn2  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:12:08pm

re: #184 HoosierHoops

You know I'm terrified of snakes...They freak me out...

they're generally dead before you eat them.

302 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:13:12pm

re: #287 Nevergiveup

Israeli girl solders and their guns.

[Link: www.serialno3817131.com...]

My son had a bunch of pictures from when he was in the IDF. Unfortunately he put them all on a diskette which got damaged.

303 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:13:39pm

re: #300 HoosierHoops

We are working on it..Frontier doesn't fly there..I'm checking midwest connect for a hop into Minn.

>

right...it seems people don't know that

304 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:14:01pm

re: #296 Walter L. Newton

Done, back at you.

Got it. THANKS!

---------------------
BBIAB

305 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:14:31pm

re: #289 albusteve

I thought Hoosier Hoops took care of that?

I've forwarded Dustyvet's contact info to any Lizard that emailed me. I was leaving it up to the Lizards to work out with Dustyvet what they can do or what he needs.

I suspect if he gets a few extra dollars than he needs, it will still go to a good cause.

My attempt was only to pass on info, not arrange the whole affair.

And I want to thank all the Lizards that did email me. And I know we all don't have extra funds laying around, I certainly don't at this moment.

But for those so inclined, prayers, I'm told, can work wonders right now.

306 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:14:37pm

re: #217 Gus 802

[lots of "Ron Paul!" from David Weigel

I think Charles could help his case by posting some of Dave's Ron Paul love up as an appendix to the main point.

Well done, Gus, again!

307 Soona'  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:14:41pm

re: #299 albusteve

get a grip...killing anything not dangerous to you is irrational

I agree. (Except for spiders)

308 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:14:56pm

Speaking of fears...

I'm fine with spiders--I thank

Charlotte's Web

for that. I try to catch and release them outside.

I'd probably be very startled if I saw a snake in my house, but they' don't bother me in general.

My greatest (irrational) fear is crickets. I will totally melt down if I see one inside.

309 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:15:06pm

He's updated his post:

UPDATE: Johnson links, and points out one error (which I’ve corrected) while arguing that his friendly comments about some people he’s now shunned were “from a different time” and fairly innocuous. All the same, it’s interesting to read those old posts and get a sense of how much that side of the blogosphere has changed.

I guess I really don't know what his point is in this article.

310 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:15:16pm

re: #287 Nevergiveup

Israeli girl solders and their guns.

[Link: www.serialno3817131.com...]

Dibs on no. 15!

311 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:15:40pm

re: #301 Eowyn2

they're generally dead before you eat them.

I don't care! They freak me out..I won't eat them..And if I'm dying on a desert Island with only snakes left to eat..Trust me..I'm making out my last will and testament...I'm not eating a snake! LOL

312 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:15:53pm

re: #305 Walter L. Newton

How do I get hold of you for the contact info?

313 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:16:43pm

re: #303 albusteve

right...it seems people don't know that

Like I said, I wasn't directing traffic here, just passing on contact info. IMHO, if Dustyvet gets a little more than he needs for the transportation, I suspect it will be put to good use.

314 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:16:47pm

re: #310 Cato the Elder

Dibs on no. 15!

Damns.;)

315 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:16:58pm

re: #298 goddessoftheclassroom

THANK YOU so much for letting me know. I've sent you an email to get more info.

Back at you.

316 jorline  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:17:00pm

I was listening to John Gibson castrating Alex Jones' radio show on the way home tonight...Gibson was playing snips...pretty damn funny.

I take it Jones is buying into the conspiracy theories...he must have been on Glen Beck's web site yesterday.

Gibson was saying...hey Alex, I guess it's the governments way of knocking off 100+ Mexicans and getting a few dozen here the flu....right Alex.

317 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:17:05pm

re: #25 Adrenalyn

this is another reason why I don't want to cede any credit to team anti-America (aka the 0bama administration)

their side will NEVER grant our side a kudo
why not treat them the same way

it's not like I am asking for an 0bama derangement jihad

just don't be nice to them is all I ask
it will come back to haunt you
and this is an example
fair it is not, but it is an example of who the left is and what they're about

First, there is no such thing as a "kudo".

Second, there is such a thing as a downding.

318 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:17:30pm

re: #312 LGoPs

How do I get hold of you for the contact info?

Click on my name, go to my web site and click on the contact link at upper right.

319 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:17:47pm
All the same, it’s interesting to read those old posts and get a sense of how much that side of the blogosphere has changed.

I don't think it's Charles who has changed- it's that others have dropped the mask to reveal the ugly, petty, bigoted people that they really are behind the facade.

320 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:18:29pm

re: #318 Walter L. Newton

Click on my name, go to my web site and click on the contact link at upper right.

On the way

321 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:18:39pm

re: #312 LGoPs

How do I get hold of you for the contact info?

It's on his web-page upper right hand corner
For information contact
Walter L. Newton

322 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:20:08pm

Naw, that's a crock.
They both taste a lot like chicken...[sic].

323 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:20:23pm

re: #321 callahan23

It's on his web-page upper right hand corner
For information contact
Walter L. Newton

Working up to a thousand karma, nice.
Help break his cherry lizards?

324 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:20:45pm

re: #321 callahan23

Thanks Callahan. Got it.
:)

325 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:21:13pm

re: #320 LGoPs

On the way

Back at you.

326 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:21:59pm

re: #296 Walter L. Newton

Done, back at you.

(#2 reply to yours)

Have done it via paypal.
Can I assume he's aware that his jar's going to be hit?

327 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:22:16pm

re: #306 Zimriel

I think Charles could help his case by posting some of Dave's Ron Paul love up as an appendix to the main point.

Well done, Gus, again!

Thanks. I got more backgrounder information.

Archived Dave Weigel Blogspot.

Some advice from RepublicansForKerry @ Daily Kos - Dave Weigel

daveweigel81 search @ Google.

Dave Weigel @ Daily Kos.

328 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:22:55pm

I wonder who the genius democrat was who thought it a great idea to fly a really big Air Force One, Two or Three, to buzz the New York skyline while we're STILL fighting jihadists.

Rosa Brooks the Bush hating former LA Times reporter, now at the Defense Department?

Imagine what's going on in the rocking Lincoln Bedroom! Woo hoo, party time. LIke it's 1999.

329 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:22:57pm

re: #326 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(#2 reply to yours)

Have done it via paypal.
Can I assume he's aware that his jar's going to be hit?

Good question, I don't know, I will tell him.

330 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:23:55pm

re: #327 Gus 802

Thanks. I got more backgrounder information.

Archived Dave Weigel Blogspot.

Some advice from RepublicansForKerry @ Daily Kos - Dave Weigel

daveweigel81 search @ Google.

Dave Weigel @ Daily Kos.

Oh, he's a Kos kiddy.
That explains his rampant stupidity.

331 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:24:02pm

re: #308 goddessoftheclassroom

Speaking of fears...

I'm fine with spiders--I thank


for that. I try to catch and release them outside.

I'd probably be very startled if I saw a snake in my house, but they' don't bother me in general.

My greatest (irrational) fear is crickets. I will totally melt down if I see one inside.

*crickets*

/:D

332 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:24:02pm

re: #309 Sharmuta

I guess I really don't know what his point is in this article.


I didn't get it either. He's a Paulian, they're weird.

333 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:24:11pm

re: #315 Walter L. Newton

Back at you.

Thank you for doing this--it's very kind.

334 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:24:12pm

re: #316 jorline

I take it Jones is buying into the conspiracy theories...

Jones doesn't buy conspiracy theories, he sells them.

335 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:24:28pm

re: #197 Killian Bundy

It's not simply that it's ' the flu '.... it's an animal-to-human mutation of the flu. ...an interspecies jump.
High freakout potential. It's a little creepy because no one knows what it could morph into next.

336 Racer X  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:24:29pm

re: #309 Sharmuta

He's updated his post:

I guess I really don't know what his point is in this article.

Charles, and LGF, have evolved.

337 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:24:36pm

re: #326 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(#2 reply to yours)

Have done it via paypal.
Can I assume he's aware that his jar's going to be hit?

He should now.

338 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:24:46pm

re: #305 Walter L. Newton

I've forwarded Dustyvet's contact info to any Lizard that emailed me. I was leaving it up to the Lizards to work out with Dustyvet what they can do or what he needs.

I suspect if he gets a few extra dollars than he needs, it will still go to a good cause.

My attempt was only to pass on info, not arrange the whole affair.

And I want to thank all the Lizards that did email me. And I know we all don't have extra funds laying around, I certainly don't at this moment.

But for those so inclined, prayers, I'm told, can work wonders right now.

I understand that...it's all good...I just wondered if posters understood his finances are taken care of

339 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:25:04pm

re: #101 eon

The One is reportedly "furious' about this. Not annoyed enough to actually fire anybody, like the guy who authorized it a month ago and neglected to mention it to the New York Mayor's office. (Bloomberg isn't too happy, either.)

/Air Force One's aircrew, acting on orders from their chain of command, get thrown under the bus in three, two, one.....

cheers


eon

Minor correction, the mayors office was notified, but the information was not passed on to the mayor and yes the mayor is pissed.

340 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:25:23pm

re: #338 albusteve

I understand that...it's all good...I just wondered if posters understood his finances are taken care of

Got it, good point Steve.

341 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:25:25pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

I didn't get it either. He's a Paulian, they're weird.

Well- I guess I'm glad to have company in scratching my head.

342 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:25:36pm

re: #331 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If you're okay with spiders, then you probably won't have much of a cricket problem... they eat 'em/

343 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:26:02pm

re: #329 Walter L. Newton

Good question, I don't know, I will tell him.

Thanks, ... and thanks again for spreading the word.

344 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:26:27pm

re: #342 tradewind

If you're okay with spiders, then you probably won't have much of a cricket problem... they eat 'em/

If you're not arachnophobic, spiders are your friends. I won't kill one.

345 Gus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:26:32pm

re: #330 DEZes

Oh, he's a Kos kiddy.
That explains his rampant stupidity.

Yep. That explains the "friend of Markos" link.

Videos and articles match: Nader, Paul, et al. Looks like he was a "Republican for Kerry" in 2004.

346 screaming_eagle  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:26:48pm

re: #328 alegrias

I wonder who the genius democrat was who thought it a great idea to fly a really big Air Force One, Two or Three, to buzz the New York skyline while we're STILL fighting jihadists.

Rosa Brooks the Bush hating former LA Times reporter, now at the Defense Department?

Imagine what's going on in the rocking Lincoln Bedroom! Woo hoo, party time. LIke it's 1999.

A really big Air Force One with 2 F-15 escorts. A low jet is bad enough, but add two fighter escorts. They definitly didn't care about peoples reaction to seeing that or they would have announced it a couple days before doing it.

347 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:27:40pm

re: #343 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks, ... and thanks again for spreading the word.

Walter Wordspreader...sounds mythical

348 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:27:41pm

re: #316 jorline

I take it Jones is buying into the conspiracy theories...he must have been on Glen Beck's web site yesterday.

Alex Jones is likely the source of these conspiracy theories. He is the God-Emperor of the Troofers and has been making Art Bell/George Noory look like serious commentary for over a decade now.

349 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:27:51pm

Is his point that maybe some on the left had Charles pegged wrong and he just can't bring himself to say LGF is alright, or.... what?

350 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:27:53pm

re: #339 avanti

Minor correction, the mayors office was notified, but the information was not passed on to the mayor and yes the mayor is pissed.

* * * *
What, the New York City Mayor doesn't get a say as to what jumbo jet flies inappropriately low for a PHOTO OP, over his city?

NOTIFIED? New York City should be ASKED permission.

351 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:28:08pm

re: #346 screaming_eagle

A really big Air Force One with 2 F-15 escorts. A low jet is bad enough, but add two fighter escorts. They definitly didn't care about peoples reaction to seeing that or they would have announced it a couple days before doing it.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

352 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:28:27pm

re: #347 albusteve

Walter Wordspreader...sounds mythical

It's my Lakota name.

353 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:28:50pm

re: #344 Cato the Elder

I got no problem with your basic spider. But if you lived where the brown recluse (among other recluse types) is practically pandemic, you might be a little paranoid when you see a long legged thin one late at night. They leave some nasty damage behind.

354 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:29:17pm

re: #344 Cato the Elder

If you're not arachnophobic, spiders are your friends. I won't kill one.

me neither...I have a little spider shrine out back, trying to befriend my tarantula....it ignores me tho

355 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:29:30pm

re: #347 albusteve

Walter Wordspreader...sounds mythical

He is a-Maisey-ing.

356 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:29:31pm

re: #349 Sharmuta

Is his point that maybe some on the left had Charles pegged wrong and he just can't bring himself to say LGF is alright, or.... what?

It's a lame retraction of a lame attack, IMO.

357 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:29:52pm

re: #355 pre-Boomer Marine brat

He is a-Maisey-ing.

WHAT?

/

358 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:30:05pm

re: #350 alegrias

* * * *
What, the New York City Mayor doesn't get a say as to what jumbo jet flies inappropriately low for a PHOTO OP, over his city?

NOTIFIED? New York City should be ASKED permission.

Hum. President trumps Mayor. I think I remember reading that somewhere. Especially Presidents that walk on water?
/

359 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:30:11pm

re: #342 tradewind

If you're okay with spiders, then you probably won't have much of a cricket problem... they eat 'em/

Or a Maine Coon cat endowed with good hunting instincts will to the trick as well. If the cat will break some things in the process, bad luck. ;-)

360 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:30:16pm

re: #357 OldLineTexan

WHAT?

/

Maisey is Walter's parrot.

361 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:30:27pm

OT

Poor Mexico is closing every school in the country.

362 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:30:43pm

re: #331 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*crickets*

/:D

Yawn.

363 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:31:05pm

re: #360 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Maisey is Walter's parrot.

What?
;)

364 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:31:21pm

re: #353 tradewind

I got no problem with your basic spider. But if you lived where the brown recluse (among other recluse types) is practically pandemic, you might be a little paranoid when you see a long legged thin one late at night. They leave some nasty damage behind.

Oh, surely. I'm in one of those places where rattlesnakes and recluses are descriptions of different types of people.

365 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:31:24pm

re: #361 alegrias

OT

Poor Mexico is closing every school in the country.

But the can't or will not close their freak en borders?

366 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:31:43pm

re: #358 Nevergiveup

Hum. President trumps Mayor. I think I remember reading that somewhere. Especially Presidents that walk on water?
/

* * * *
Don't you remember our English heritage? Magna Carta and all that?

The KING of England has to ask permission to enter the City of London. Or used to have to ask permission.

367 Russkilitlover  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:31:48pm

re: #344 Cato the Elder

If you're not arachnophobic, spiders are your friends. I won't kill one.

Hubby took out 4 Black Widows this weekend. We get tons of them. Not nice spiders at all. We had a Brown Recluse in our garage last fall. Hubby took care of that one, too. Hubby is a spider lover but even he has his limits.

368 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:32:08pm

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

Hey

Where is Avanti... maybe you would like to read this...

"The aircraft was a White House plane taking part in a classified, government-sanctioned photo shoot, the Federal Aviation Administration said."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

What moron announces that it was a classified operation when everybody starts complaining? This administration is a veritable cavalcade of comedy.

Unless of course, it was done to gauge public reaction to a low flying airliner over NY.

369 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:32:12pm

re: #358 Nevergiveup

Oh, you know New Yorkers.... when they think real estate, they include the air above.

370 screaming_eagle  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:32:13pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

re: #350 alegrias

re: #339 avanti

Minor correction, the mayors office was notified, but the information was not passed on to the mayor and yes the mayor is pissed.

Seems to me the people of NYC should have also been notified that is was going to happen.

371 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:32:55pm

re: #366 alegrias

* * * *
Don't you remember our English heritage? Magna Carta and all that?

The KING of England has to ask permission to enter the City of London. Or used to have to ask permission.

Still does! The "line" is guarded by silver dragons.

372 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:33:01pm

re: #361 alegrias

Like anyone will notice.... they all send their kids North for an education, don't they?
/only half sarc/

373 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:33:03pm

re: #326 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(#2 reply to yours)

Have done it via paypal.
Can I assume he's aware that his jar's going to be hit?

I think so. I just talked to him and said that's the way I was going.

374 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:33:08pm

re: #360 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Maisey is Walter's parrot.

I know that, that was my Maisey impression.

375 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:33:38pm

re: #368 CyanSnowHawk

What moron announces that it was a classified operation when everybody starts complaining? This administration is a veritable cavalcade of comedy.

Unless of course, it was done to gauge public reaction to a low flying airliner over NY.

Upding for that line.

376 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:34:09pm

re: #364 Cato the Elder

Well here we have the real recluses, along with copperheads and moccasins.

377 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:34:18pm

re: #363 DEZes

What?
;)

Third base.

378 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:35:01pm

re: #353 tradewind

They sure do. 20 years ago my Dad had a silver dollar sized divot taken from his leg because of a brown recluse.

379 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:35:51pm

I notice a lot of right wing bloggers freaking out over an artist's painting of Barack Obama as Christ, with a crown of thorns -- a painting by an independent artist, that Obama had absolutely nothing to do with.

A big yawn from me on this one.

380 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:36:14pm

re: #378 BatGuano

That's about par for the course. It can get a whole lot worse.

381 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:36:30pm

re: #368 CyanSnowHawk

What moron announces that it was a classified operation when everybody starts complaining? This administration is a veritable cavalcade of comedy.

Unless of course, it was done to gauge public reaction to a low flying airliner over NY.

"Air Force officials say this was a photo mission for their crew. They were shooting from the Statue of Liberty to south of the Holland tunnel, as well as from the Newark Bay to north of the Staten Island Expressway.

Officials say the shoot was part of a normal training mission. They added that they do the missions quite often.

President Barack Obama, who apparently was not informed about the fly-by, was "furious," CBS News reported."

My opinion, no matter who asked for the mission, the White House guy that approved it, should be canned. What sense did it make to notify NYC officials and then ask them to keep it quite ?

382 Racer X  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:36:45pm

re: #351 Walter L. Newton

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Wow. Just wow. The ignorance of this administration is mind boggling.

383 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:36:46pm
384 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:36:59pm

re: #379 Charles

Who's promoting this painting besides the right-wing blogosphere?

385 screaming_eagle  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:37:13pm

re: #368 CyanSnowHawk

What moron announces that it was a classified operation when everybody starts complaining? This administration is a veritable cavalcade of comedy.

Unless of course, it was done to gauge public reaction to a low flying airliner over NY.

It was a classified photoshoot because they didn't think anybody in NYC would look up?

386 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:37:36pm

re: #379 Charles

I notice a lot of right wing bloggers freaking out over an artist's painting of Barack Obama as Christ, with a crown of thorns -- a painting by an independent artist, that Obama had absolutely nothing to do with.

A big yawn from me on this one.

* * * *
It's sick iconography to depict our young President as getting crucified.
Sick & twisted because crucifixion was torture.

387 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:37:59pm

re: #385 screaming_eagle

It was a classified photoshoot because they didn't think anybody in NYC would look up?

Youse didn't see NUTTIN', capiche?

388 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:38:13pm

Good evening, everyone. Going to catch up on posts here and world events.

What a bizarre way to try to point out Charles as some sort of hypocrite - does this mean if we associate with someone, we must forever more be that person's friend regardless if that person reveals themselves as a raging bigoted lunatic? This guy is still chums with everyone in which he has crossed paths? I highly doubt it.

The emotionally mature individual grows from their experiences, both the good and the bad. I see this here a lot - I see it with me when my eyes are opened to a view I hadn't considered.

Why so much energy spent trying to paint Charles as in the wrong, most especially with "He did it too!" as the method of justification? If Pam and crew are so right, say that and let the facts stand alone. You shouldn't need to degrade Charles, or anyone for that matter, if your principles are indeed in the virtuous.

389 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:38:24pm

re: #382 Racer X

Wow. Just wow. The ignorance of this administration is mind boggling.

We may have a pandemic coming up here, and Obama has no Surgeon general and no CDC director (and their was a third health category official post not filled, but I can't remember it now).

Are we fucked? Yes.

390 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:38:49pm

re: #386 alegrias

* * * *
It's sick iconography to depict our young President as getting crucified.
Sick & twisted because crucifixion was torture.

Torture, followed mostly by death.

391 rawmuse  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:38:49pm

re: #384 Fenway_Nation

Who's promoting this painting besides the right-wing blogosphere?

It is on Drudge. I never considered Drudge to be any kind of "wing".

392 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:38:52pm

re: #379 Charles

I notice a lot of right wing bloggers freaking out over an artist's painting of Barack Obama as Christ, with a crown of thorns -- a painting by an independent artist, that Obama had absolutely nothing to do with.

A big yawn from me on this one.

Well not aware what your making reference to, but many Magazine Covers come all to close to doing that. Now THAT I have a problem with.

393 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:39:38pm

re: #379 Charles

That 'art' or lack of it doesn't bother me. What does irk is having Teh One painted as the Messiah by pundit after pundit.
(Ten bucks says the artist used acrylics on black velvet).

394 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:39:56pm

re: #379 Charles

Wait, do you mean to tell me that Obama did not personally commission that painting for the sole purpose of pissing off Christians? I question the timing.
/

395 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:40:17pm

re: #381 avanti

"Air Force officials say this was a photo mission for their crew. They were shooting from the Statue of Liberty to south of the Holland tunnel, as well as from the Newark Bay to north of the Staten Island Expressway.

Officials say the shoot was part of a normal training mission. They added that they do the missions quite often.

President Barack Obama, who apparently was not informed about the fly-by, was "furious," CBS News reported."

My opinion, no matter who asked for the mission, the White House guy that approved it, should be canned. What sense did it make to notify NYC officials and then ask them to keep it quite ?

* * * *
That "mission accomplished" can be done using drones, not gazillion dollar Presidential/Vice Presidential & Pelosi planes.

We're in a recession/depression. De fund the stupid "program" Google satellite can already do.

396 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:40:48pm

re: #383 buzzsawmonkey

I have a feeling the administration is gonna gitmo blowback from this releasing photos thing than they ever had in mind.....

397 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:41:12pm

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

and not in a good way, either.

398 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:41:21pm

re: #394 Slumbering Behemoth

Wait, do you mean to tell me that Obama did not personally commission that painting for the sole purpose of pissing off Christians? I question the timing.
/

Way too many Christians these days have absurdly thin skins. It gets very tedious.

399 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:41:31pm

re: #391 rawmuse

Yea, but my first reaction is that if this isn't the MSM reporting this, then the reaction of the blogosphere is exactly what the artist wants....

400 Russkilitlover  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:41:40pm

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

We may have a pandemic coming up here, and Obama has no Surgeon general and no CDC director (and their was a third health category official post not filled, but I can't remember it now).

Are we fucked? Yes.

Health and Human Services Director.

401 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:41:45pm

re: #393 tradewind

That 'art' or lack of it doesn't bother me. What does irk is having Teh One painted as the Messiah by pundit after pundit.
(Ten bucks says the artist used acrylics on black velvet).

he's no Elvis, that's for sure

402 Racer X  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:42:08pm

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

We may have a pandemic coming up here, and Obama has no Surgeon general and no CDC director (and their was a third health category official post not filled, but I can't remember it now).

Are we fucked? Yes.

Unbelievable.

And they ripped Bush a new arshole for not being prepared during Katrina forceful enough with Nadin and Blanco. Well actually they blamed Bush for the things Blanco and Nadin FAILED to do, but that is another gripe.

403 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:42:23pm

I think I'd better say goodnight now.
Goodnight.

404 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:43:10pm

re: #400 Russkilitlover

Health and Human Services Director.

They have people running the shows, and they might even be competent and not political hacks. So maybe we are lucky?

405 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:43:17pm

re: #398 Charles

Way too many Christians these days have absurdly thin skins. It gets very tedious.

* * * *
I don't know who did it, but it's offensive to have our President depicted as being tortured.

406 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:43:20pm

re: #400 Russkilitlover

Health and Human Services Director.

Yes, that's it. Thank you for adding to my paranoid today. :)

407 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:43:41pm

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

I'm sorry, but just what does a Surgeon General do, anyway...?
(Oh, and the ' teach your kids to wank' thing doesn't count).
Set an example of thrift. Cut the position.
There are general surgeons a-plenty in this nation. No need to nominate Teh One.

408 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:43:43pm

Here's another cheap shot, from Joshua Trevino: A responsible anti-jihadism?

Charles Johnson’s disenchantment with a movement he did much to create is more likely a function of his contrary nature than his active conscience, but it would be ungracious to pry overmuch.

Apparently it's not "ungracious" to imply that I don't have an "active conscience."

409 Russkilitlover  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:43:45pm

re: #400 Russkilitlover

Health and Human Services Director Secretary .

PIMF :~P

410 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:44:24pm

re: #381 avanti

"Air Force officials say this was a photo mission for their crew. They were shooting from the Statue of Liberty to south of the Holland tunnel, as well as from the Newark Bay to north of the Staten Island Expressway.

Officials say the shoot was part of a normal training mission. They added that they do the missions quite often.

President Barack Obama, who apparently was not informed about the fly-by, was "furious," CBS News reported."

My opinion, no matter who asked for the mission, the White House guy that approved it, should be canned. What sense did it make to notify NYC officials and then ask them to keep it quite ?

I could think of several reasons for asking that it not be spread around. My main beef was CNN reporting that someone said was classified. That may have been an assumption on the reporters part, or it may be actually be the case, as I tend to think that flight plans for one of the WH 747s could very well be classified, but to actually say it was a classified mission to the press strikes me as a very Hollywood* way of doing things.

I don't care if The One is pissed, but it sounds like the Mayor's office dropped the ball on informing him. The stories I've read said the the NYPD was informed as well.

*The sort of operational security you see on TV.

411 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:44:37pm

re: #406 Walter L. Newton

Yes, that's it. Thank you for adding to my paranoid today. :)

Maybe Koop is available; how many LifeAlert commercials do they need?

What about Jocelyn Elders? Every time I think of this administration, I remember her for some reason.

/

412 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:44:56pm

re: #408 Charles

Here's another cheap shot, from Joshua Trevino: A responsible anti-jihadism?

Apparently it's not "ungracious" to imply that I don't have an "active conscience."

Or that you have a contrary nature.

413 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:45:25pm

re: #408 Charles

Charles,
This will only cause you to lose sleep and harsh your mellow. Think ' heat, kitchen'.
Just screw 'em if they can't take a joke.
Seriously.

414 ayatollah ghilmeini  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:45:28pm

re: #10 kynna

How moronic. There's an obvious evolution in the LGF view on Spencer/Geller.

Again, if you have to twist the truth to support your belief, is your belief really worth supporting?

No it shows that Charles intelligently designed his opinions...........


heh could not resist.

415 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:45:43pm

re: #392 Nevergiveup


Check this magazine cover from The Deal.11th from top.

[Link: www.thedeal.com...]

416 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:45:46pm

re: #407 tradewind

I'm sorry, but just what does a Surgeon General do, anyway...?
(Oh, and the ' teach your kids to wank' thing doesn't count).
Set an example of thrift. Cut the position.
There are general surgeons a-plenty in this nation. No need to nominate Teh One.

* * * *
Sanjay Gupta, who opted out of the running for Surgeon General, can donate his services for free via videoconference on CNN, his day job.

417 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:46:00pm

re: #411 OldLineTexan

What about Jocelyn Elders? Every time I think of this administration, I remember her for some reason.

Funny, but the same thing happens to me every time I think of lotion.
/

418 green_earth  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:46:12pm

Hey Charles -

I have to give a shout out to you for this blog you've run in a very consistent manner for many years. While this is a "blog", there has been a high degree of professionalism and truly amazing contributions to news media no matter what source one looks for professional journalism. Without a doubt, there are many who envy some of your accomplishments. Can you imagine the New York Times getting such an anal exam in its archives as to opinion and support of various policy positions over the years?

Even though I fall decidedly further to the right of you on a host of issues, I enjoy this blog and visit it regularly. And no, that doesn't mean I'm a card carrying member of the Vlaams Belang or anything close to it!

Viva la LGF!

419 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:46:18pm

re: #410 CyanSnowHawk

But the Mayor of NYC can do no wrong. That is why he is violating the NYC Constitution and running for a third term. Rich people can do shit like that ya know?

420 Buster Bunny  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:46:41pm

re: #408 Charles

Here's another cheap shot, from Joshua Trevino: A responsible anti-jihadism?

Apparently it's not "ungracious" to imply that I don't have an "active conscience."

The problem is that they see that you have an opinion that ISNT theirs. There seems to be a sort of leftist conformity that really sickens me. Its a sort of 'either you are in with the hate and ugliness or you are an OTHER'.

Which of course leads me to become an OTHER.

421 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:47:12pm

re: #415 BatGuano

Check this magazine cover from The Deal.11th from top.

[Link: www.thedeal.com...]

Yup, that's what I'm talking about

422 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:47:21pm

re: #385 screaming_eagle

It was a classified photoshoot because they didn't think anybody in NYC would look up?

Ah, I got it, they told the NYPD so that they could, all at the same time, tell everybody in the city that their shoelaces were untied.
/

423 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:47:36pm

By the way, I really appreciate all the words of support in this thread. Thanks, folks.

424 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:47:46pm

re: #412 Sharmuta

Or that you have a contrary nature.

Maybe they think Charles is contrary because he refuses to conform with Geller's and Spencer's agenda.
Or they could just be tools.

425 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:47:56pm

re: #417 Slumbering Behemoth

Funny, but the same thing happens to me every time I think of lotion.
/

I think of her 2 or 3 times a da.....ah never mind

426 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:48:01pm

re: #398 Charles

Way too many Christians these days have absurdly thin skins. It gets very tedious.

I'm sure that in many cases it's not even thin skin but feigned outrage for purely political reasons. People are looking for any reason to heap scorn on Obama, as if he's not already doing more than enough worthy of legitimate criticism.

427 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:48:02pm

re: #379 Charles

It's like when the Conservatives staged the Flag Burning ammendment stunt in Congress that they knew in advance wasn't going to pass, lots of red meat to rile people up to no good effect or purpose.

428 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:48:05pm

re: #423 Charles

By the way, I really appreciate all the words of support in this thread. Thanks, folks.

Same from me Charles.

429 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:48:08pm

re: #423 Charles

By the way, I really appreciate all the words of support in this thread. Thanks, folks.

We love you dude!

430 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:48:46pm

re: #424 DEZes

Maybe they think Charles is contrary because he refuses to conform with Geller's and Spencer's agenda.
Or they could just be tools.

I'm voting "tools".

431 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:49:03pm

re: #395 alegrias

* * * *
That "mission accomplished" can be done using drones, not gazillion dollar Presidential/Vice Presidential & Pelosi planes.

We're in a recession/depression. De fund the stupid "program" Google satellite can already do.

The idea was to update the file pictures of the Air Force One plane, so they needed the plane I guess. I'd like to know who came up with the idea and why. I get that they don't want to announce the flight plan, but it seems they would have thought it out better.

432 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:49:04pm

Dont take this the wrong way.
{Charles}

433 rawmuse  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:49:16pm

re: #423 Charles

By the way, I really appreciate all the words of support in this thread. Thanks, folks.

I think that the people that you have chosen to be part of this community are, for the most part, top notch. Well done.

434 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:49:32pm

re: #430 Sharmuta

I'm voting "tools".

Yeah, me too.

435 yochanan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:49:35pm

re: #379 Charles

I notice a lot of right wing bloggers freaking out over an artist's painting of Barack Obama as Christ, with a crown of thorns -- a painting by an independent artist, that Obama had absolutely nothing to do with.

A big yawn from me on this one.

i bet the artist is loving every min. of it. all the way to the bank

436 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:49:37pm

re: #423 Charles

Hugs?

437 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:49:43pm

re: #423 Charles

By the way, I really appreciate all the words of support in this thread. Thanks, folks.

you're a beast...I wish it were different but you do an excellent job balancing patience with with rebuttal...you can't fight them all of but you can protect your integrity

438 realwest  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:49:53pm

HEY Y'ALL - Just heard from DustyVet: "Kathy passed away from a massive heart attack while she slept. The tragic part is that, Kathy had just had her yearly medical exam about three weeks ago. Her GP Doctor had told her that she was in good health, and everything was OK.
The Funeral arrangements are pending. We are also working with the American Red Cross, to bring her son home from Germany on Emergency Leave.
The only other problem I'm having, is that being on a fixed income, I am unable to travel until the 1st when my VA check comes in. Please inform all the Lizards that The family and myself are doing fine, and we are hanging in there. Thanks to all the LGF folks who responded with their kind words."My nic's in blue if any of y'all think you can help out getting Dusty to his sister's funeral - he didn't ask me to do this, this is my own "bright idea" and I know times are tough for all of us and don't know how much dough will be needed. But if any of y'all can help, please e-mail me.

439 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:50:04pm

re: #419 Nevergiveup

But the Mayor of NYC can do no wrong. That is why he is violating the NYC Constitution and running for a third term. Rich people can do shit like that ya know?

* * * * *
Mayor Bloomberg's Spanish language portion of his Swine Flu Speech today, stank!

Bloomberg's Spanish pronunciation was close, but he read phonetically and accented wrong syLLABles. Nice try, but no Spanish Cuban cigar.

440 Soona'  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:50:14pm

re: #354 albusteve

me neither...I have a little spider shrine out back, trying to befriend my tarantula....it ignores me tho

*(crickets)* :)

441 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:50:19pm

re: #433 rawmuse

I think that the people that you have chosen to be part of this community are, for the most part, top notch. Well done.

Kinda self serving, no?
/

442 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:50:26pm

re: #430 Sharmuta

I'm voting "tools".

In the case of some of them, I'm voting "stool".

443 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:50:51pm

re: #440 Soona'

*(crickets)* :)

you're a sissy...just say it

444 rawmuse  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:50:54pm

re: #441 Nevergiveup

Kinda self serving, no?
/

Present company excluded, I mean. :)

445 Gella  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:51:00pm

they just can't take it, that Charles is more popular then them :)

446 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:51:12pm

re: #423 Charles

By the way, I really appreciate all the words of support in this thread. Thanks, folks.


{CHARLES}

447 Buster Bunny  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:51:16pm

re: #423 Charles

By the way, I really appreciate all the words of support in this thread. Thanks, folks.

You sift through the sand to find diamonds. Once you find the diamonds you discard the sand. The sand will be blown away by the wind. The diamond will always be treasured.

- Old Midrashic Saying.

448 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:51:20pm

re: #436 Slumbering Behemoth

Hugs?

This by the way is a great video - a stunt that in essence shows why capitalism will always triumph over socialism. You will laugh your ass off as well.

/besides who wants a dirty hippy hug?

449 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:51:22pm

re: #423 Charles

By the way, I really appreciate all the words of support in this thread. Thanks, folks.

* * * *
You're the contrarian Jazz musician anti-idiotarian man we know & love!

450 Phil.  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:51:24pm

Charles,

You seem to be actively picking fights with both the right and the left these days and I'm not sure why. Can't we all just get along?....or something.

Speaking only for myself, I honestly have no idea who Alex Jones is (although you keep telling me he's become a mainstream conservative figure?

Also, I don't really care about the distinctions between right wing and far-right political parties in Europe. I'm not really interested in conservative parties in Europe outside of perhaps the Conservative Party in the UK.

My main focus is stopping the bankrupting of America by the current administration.

I will check in to read about GWOT related issues, but watching you pick fights with everyone doesn't seem particularly pleasant.

451 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:51:52pm

re: #444 rawmuse

Present company excluded, I mean. :)

Oh so now your insulting me and the rest here? Split personality?
/

452 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:52:00pm

re: #425 Nevergiveup

I think of her 2 or 3 times a da.....ah never mind

I hope you pardon me for not shaking hands.
;)

453 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:52:06pm

re: #398 Charles

Is the "touchiness" in response to the years of Christianity being under attack by the left? I'm not suggesting that makes an overly emotional response correct, but it would make sense from a human stand point. Perhaps when we get to more even ground, logic will once again become the basis for argument.

On the other hand, perhaps this group sees how well this method plays out for Muslims and are trying their hand at some of the plays displayed to see if it will work equally well for them (it won't, Christianity is not the cause du jour of the left).

454 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:52:15pm

re: #445 Gella

they just can't take it, that Charles is more popular then them :)

he's got no holes in his rap...it's a solid thing...pisses people off

455 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:52:28pm

re: #431 avanti

The idea was to update the file pictures of the Air Force One plane, so they needed the plane I guess. I'd like to know who came up with the idea and why. I get that they don't want to announce the flight plan, but it seems they would have thought it out better.

* * * *
That sounds like so much BULL SHIT.

456 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:52:35pm

re: #452 DEZes

I hope you pardon me for not shaking hands.
;)

Who has time?

457 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:52:52pm

re: #450 Phil.

I don't feel the need to get along with nazis or any other assorted kooks or people using my party to undermine the Constitution.

458 Gella  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:52:53pm

re: #454 albusteve

he's got no holes in his rap...it's a solid thing...pisses people off

can i use word Truthiness?

459 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:52:56pm

re: #423 Charles
Remember the words of Kipling in that great poem, ' If '

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools
460 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:53:16pm

WHO raises pandemic alert level; more swine flu cases feared

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Don't run! We are your friends!
We come in peace! We come in peace!
Gak, Gak, Gak, Gak.

461 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:53:23pm

re: #438 realwest

You have a good heart Real

462 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:53:33pm

re: #450 Phil.

Pick fights? Are you reading the same blog I am?

463 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:53:34pm

re: #450 Phil.

And he also really loves it when people come here and tell him what he should or shouldn't do on his website and blog, that he designed and pays for.

/

464 Killian Bundy  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:53:38pm

re: #335 tradewind

It's not simply that it's ' the flu '.... it's an animal-to-human mutation of the flu. ...an interspecies jump.
High freakout potential. It's a little creepy because no one knows what it could morph into next.

/maybe the plague

465 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:53:38pm

re: #456 Nevergiveup

Who has time?

I see your point. ;)

466 J.S.  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:53:43pm

re: #408 Charles

What a pretentious pr*ck...(excuse my French). As if one wouldn't be capable of denouncing the Bush Derangement Syndrome which went on for 8 (or more is it, now?) years...or coming up with obnoxious, hate-filled notions made and spread by Leftists...Both sides (whether extremist right or extremist left) have been guilty of a variety of "misdemeanors" which (I'm sure the opposite side) will find "unforgivable." (When I read such things by this Trevino, I'm sooo tempted to write a mocking parody...)

467 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:54:03pm

re: #458 Gella

can i use word Truthiness?

yes but wear a wig and those nose/eyebrow glasses

468 rawmuse  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:54:36pm

re: #466 J.S.

Please, mock away.

469 VioletTiger  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:54:43pm

re: #2 ConservatismNow!

The fact that you are willing to retract statements, issue corrections, and apologize for things now only shows that you are not a blind idealogue but you are also an intelligent rational human being.

re: #3 Ben Hur

I have found Charles to be steady and consistent in his views.

Agree completely, and I think this is what makes LGF stand out. Credibility is a rare thing these days. Hard to get, and easy to lose.

470 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:55:15pm

re: #455 alegrias

* * * *
That sounds like so much BULL SHIT.

I'll admit it sounds silly, but what other reason would they have to buzz the statute.

471 gregb  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:55:18pm

In Web-fu Ninja style, that's called an "Old Post Resurrection Embarrassment" or a "Historical Stupidity Attack" if they cite one of their own posts against you. I'd adopt a "Teflon Don" defense. [1]

[1] [Link: taint.org...]

Keep sticking it to them.

472 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:55:22pm

re: #460 Walter L. Newton

WHO raises pandemic alert level; more swine flu cases feared

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Don't run! We are your friends!
We come in peace! We come in peace!
Gak, Gak, Gak, Gak.

They killed congress!

473 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:55:22pm

There's a difference between "picking fights" and being driven by truth and personal integrity.
Your ignorance on who Alex Jones is really needs to be rectified before you voice opinions about it, otherwise you might end up with a mea culpa like I did after trying to defend Spencer.

474 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:55:30pm

re: #417 Slumbering Behemoth

Funny, but the same thing happens to me every time I think of lotion.
/

The SNL skit with Patrick Stewart and the SNL regular as Elders--"Just Say No to Anal Intercourse..."

475 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:56:24pm

re: #438 realwest

I posted his email to me this morning re: #221 Walter L. Newton

and I have had over 30 Lizards respond, I passed on his contact info and HH is working on tickets. So Dustyvet has both plane tickets and some extra money coming his way. So far.

476 yochanan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:56:45pm

bulk shit is gov't created bull shit.

477 screaming_eagle  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:56:46pm

re: #431 avanti

The idea was to update the file pictures of the Air Force One plane, so they needed the plane I guess. I'd like to know who came up with the idea and why. I get that they don't want to announce the flight plan, but it seems they would have thought it out better.

Seems to me that they should have informed more people that the Air Force was going to be conducting a training mission over NYC. They didn't need to release all the details, but enough that everybody doesn't freak out. The media will pile on the military for this but there is incomptence and more gov officials than just them. Like they were gonna keep secret a big jet flying low with 2 fighter escorts.

478 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:56:56pm

re: #470 avanti

I'll admit it sounds silly, but what other reason would they have to buzz the statute.

there is no logic to liberal Obots...if you really believe BO was furious you need your head examined....and if he does not know where his air taxi is he's a fucking idiot....

479 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:57:03pm

re: #470 avanti

I'll admit it sounds silly, but what other reason would they have to buzz the statute.

Me and some Buddies in College got "high" and decided to drive to Niagara Falls in the Middle of the Night once?

480 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:57:14pm

re: #450 Phil.

Dr. Phil is that you?
Here is a rope, Mandy will instruct you on the finer points of pissing up it.

481 Ojoe  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:57:14pm

re: #423 Charles

Go Charles Go!

482 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:57:17pm

re: #460 Walter L. Newton

/oink, oink, oink, oink/

483 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:58:19pm

re: #457 Sharmuta

That is what I call "integrity". But for some reason, there are those who insist on seeing such a stance as "ideological purity" and "fight picking".

These people have no personal integrity, so they have to take the integrity of others and repackage it as something negative.

484 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:58:21pm

re: #415 BatGuano

Check this magazine cover from The Deal.11th from top.

[Link: www.thedeal.com...]

Cool! He's got a luminescent shoulder blade! I want one of those!
/

485 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:58:43pm

re: #450 Phil.

Charles,

You seem to be actively picking fights with both the right and the left these days and I'm not sure why. Can't we all just get along?....or something.

Speaking only for myself, I honestly have no idea who Alex Jones is (although you keep telling me he's become a mainstream conservative figure?

Also, I don't really care about the distinctions between right wing and far-right political parties in Europe. I'm not really interested in conservative parties in Europe outside of perhaps the Conservative Party in the UK.

My main focus is stopping the bankrupting of America by the current administration.

I will check in to read about GWOT related issues, but watching you pick fights with everyone doesn't seem particularly pleasant.

You don't know, you have no idea, you will check in... shit man, you sound like you check out a long time ago.

If you don't like the subject matter here, leave, jerk.

486 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:58:47pm

re: #346 screaming_eagle

A really big Air Force One with 2 F-15 escorts. A low jet is bad enough, but add two fighter escorts. They definitly didn't care about peoples reaction to seeing that or they would have announced it a couple days before doing it.

A 747 flying real low, chased by f-15's. That's just like in the movies! Except Hollywood would use CGI for this effect, not harming any actual aircraft.

487 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:58:49pm

re: #470 avanti

I'll admit it sounds silly, but what other reason would they have to buzz the statute.

* * *
THey called such stunts "joy riding" in high school.

We're at war, we're broke, we're supposed NOT to waste fuel, and these insensitive bozos go joy-riding on Presidential planes to take pictures easily had by other cheaper means?

that's B.S., hubris, let them eat cake kinda talk. Not the change they advertised.

488 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:58:55pm

re: #450 Phil.

Do you get it or don't you get what's a shakin'?
Doh ....

489 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:59:08pm

Congress to probe swine flu outbrea

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Ah, gives us a break and stay the fu..k out of it please!

490 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:59:19pm

re: #482 tradewind

/oink, oink, oink, oink/

Mars Attacks has no pigs.
Pigs in Space did on the other hand. ;)

491 realwest  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:59:28pm

re: #285 Walter L. Newton
Woops = sorry Walter I didn't see your post when I posted my #438.
Could I please impose on you to send me Dusty's PayPal account (my nic's in blue) and I'm currently trying to reach out to lizards privately who have helped out in another cause for a lizard before. I have his e-mail and phone number, but stupid phone is always busy.

492 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:59:37pm

re: #484 CyanSnowHawk

Does anyone know how to read auras?
:)

493 screaming_eagle  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:59:41pm

re: #472 DEZes

They killed congress!

Best part of that movie!

494 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 4:59:42pm

re: #423 Charles

By the way, I really appreciate all the words of support in this thread. Thanks, folks.

Keep on keepin' on!
I'm here because I trust you.

495 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:00:07pm

re: #383 buzzsawmonkey

Those aren't thorns, Charles--that's Gitmo barbed wire.

/

It's his crown of distractions.

They're like... blocking his radiant halo, man.

/

496 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:00:32pm

re: #416 alegrias

* * * *
Sanjay Gupta, who opted out of the running for Surgeon General, can donate his services for free via videoconference on CNN, his day job.

This Sanjay Gupta?

Sanjay Gupta (born October 23, 1969) is an Indian American neurosurgeon and media personality on health-related issues based in Atlanta, Georgia. An assistant professor of neurosurgery at Emory University School of Medicine and associate chief of the neurosurgery service at Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta, he is best known as CNN's chief medical correspondent...

497 ayatollah ghilmeini  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:00:38pm

Swine Flu

My niece was in Mexico the week before passover and both my brother and I got very ill over the following weekend. I suspect that we might have gotten an early strain of it. nasty stuff.

498 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:00:38pm

re: #490 DEZes

This whole thing is more reminiscent of Orwell. Remember who the leaders were, after all.....

499 yochanan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:00:51pm

what is your fav. LGF TYPO?

mine is BULK SHIT instead of bull shit.

500 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:01:08pm

re: #491 realwest

Woops = sorry Walter I didn't see your post when I posted my #438.
Could I please impose on you to send me Dusty's PayPal account (my nic's in blue) and I'm currently trying to reach out to lizards privately who have helped out in another cause for a lizard before. I have his e-mail and phone number, but stupid phone is always busy.

Back at you, done.

501 Ojoe  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:01:12pm

re: #482 tradewind

Click on the song Hillary for some Oink Oink

Kersoene Kondors!

The Kerosene Kondors

BBC

502 Racer X  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:01:18pm

re: #486 Alouette

A 747 flying real low, chased by f-15's. That's just like in the movies! Except Hollywood would use CGI for this effect, not harming any actual aircraft.

You bring up a great point.

Why not use CGI for their publicity video or whatever they were filming? Did they really need to freak the hell out millions of New Yorkers?

503 Ojoe  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:01:38pm

re: #501 Ojoe

BBL not BBC

PIMF

504 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:01:47pm

re: #498 tradewind

This whole thing is more reminiscent of Orwell. Remember who the leaders were, after all.....

EEEEEEK!

505 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:01:55pm

re: #492 tradewind

Does anyone know how to read auras?
:)

I can read areolas for $2.
/female customers only, please.

506 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:02:16pm

re: #502 Racer X

You bring up a great point.

Why not use CGI for their publicity video or whatever they were filming? Did they really need to freak the hell out millions of New Yorkers?

Then someone would yell "fauxtography."

507 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:02:20pm

re: #499 yochanan

what is your fav. LGF TYPO?

mine is BULK SHIT instead of bull shit.

Thats my fav.

508 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:02:28pm

re: #496 CyanSnowHawk

This Sanjay Gupta?

Sanjay Gupta (born October 23, 1969) is an Indian American neurosurgeon and media personality on health-related issues based in Atlanta, Georgia. An assistant professor of neurosurgery at Emory University School of Medicine and associate chief of the neurosurgery service at Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta, he is best known as CNN's chief medical correspondent...

* * * *
THAT Sanjay Gupta was under consideration to be Pres. Obama's nominee for Surgeon General. Then Gupta changed his mind.

509 Killian Bundy  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:02:45pm

Geez, swine flu in humans is nothing new.

/ooh, it might mutate . . . into more flu, let me know when the mortality rate exceeds 5%

510 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:02:48pm

re: #505 Slumbering Behemoth

I can read areolas for $2.
/female customers only, please.

Orally?

511 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:02:48pm

re: #502 Racer X

You bring up a great point.

Why not use CGI for their publicity video or whatever they were filming? Did they really need to freak the hell out millions of New Yorkers?

no they didn't but these are essentially children we are talking about...BOs supporters are simply blind to his juvenile point of view

512 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:03:03pm

Busy with other stuff which isn't letting go.
I'm out for the evening. Everyone have a good one!
{goddess}

513 realwest  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:03:08pm

re: #475 Walter L. Newton
YEA WALTER! I've been working my own network of lizards some of whom may still have air miles left over - this is how we helped get an LGFer to San Diego to see her Marine Corps son off on his first overseas deployment!

What Dusty didn't say, is that even once he gets his VA check on the first if he uses THAT money he'll be short money for May's expenses - he lives, as do a lot of us, from month to month - THANK YOU VERY MUCH for jumping on this.

514 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:03:23pm

re: #502 Racer X

You bring up a great point.

Why not use CGI for their publicity video or whatever they were filming? Did they really need to freak the hell out millions of New Yorkers?

New Yorkers? But nothing freaks them out! They are the toughest people in the world.

/We Detroiters, on the other hand...

515 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:03:28pm

re: #496 CyanSnowHawk

Yep, that's the one.

516 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:03:48pm

re: #485 Walter L. Newton

You don't know, you have no idea, you will check in... shit man, you sound like you check out a long time ago.

If you don't like the subject matter here, leave, jerk.

Some people just want to stay in their little comfort zone, and demand it be catered to. Well- life isn't fair, is it?

517 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:03:58pm

re: #506 Walter L. Newton

I'm going with ' it was an experiment to test the panic reactivity of the populace'.

518 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:04:03pm

Life is not a comfort zone!

519 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:04:07pm

re: #513 realwest

YEA WALTER! I've been working my own network of lizards some of whom may still have air miles left over - this is how we helped get an LGFer to San Diego to see her Marine Corps son off on his first overseas deployment!

What Dusty didn't say, is that even once he gets his VA check on the first if he uses THAT money he'll be short money for May's expenses - he lives, as do a lot of us, from month to month - THANK YOU VERY MUCH for jumping on this.

Hoosier Hoops already took care of it

520 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:04:20pm

re: #510 DEZes

That's the most accurate method I know of.

521 gegenkritik  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:04:22pm

re: #231 Cato the Elder
Some years ago, some minor changes were made to these laws, now ius soli also has a (very slight) basis there, but basically, it's still like you described it.

522 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:04:26pm

re: #450 Phil.

You own your ignorance, my friend. Clearly you have access to the internet, use it for something besides posting silliness on Charles' blog.

523 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:04:38pm

re: #411 OldLineTexan

Maybe Koop is available; how many LifeAlert commercials do they need?

What about Jocelyn Elders? Every time I think of this administration, I remember her for some reason.

/

The Master of Her Domain.

524 HelloDare  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:04:45pm

Stingy president stiffs daughters’ school with weak charity gift

The comments over at Hot Air are hilarious.

525 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:05:03pm

ASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - Jerry Lee Lewis, the piano-pounding rock 'n' roller known as "The Killer," has been honored by Tennessee lawmakers who voted to name a stretch of road in his honor.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

526 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:05:35pm

re: #525 Nevergiveup

ASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - Jerry Lee Lewis, the piano-pounding rock 'n' roller known as "The Killer," has been honored by Tennessee lawmakers who voted to name a stretch of road in his honor.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]


[Video]

Does it run past a high school? It would be fitting.

527 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:05:35pm

re: #520 Slumbering Behemoth

That's the most accurate method I know of.

Numm numm numm.
;)

528 realwest  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:05:52pm

re: #423 Charles
Hey Charles - no sweat on this one: we know you're honest and a man of integrity, please don't let these ankle biters get to you.
Keep on keeping on' Charles.

529 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:06:01pm

re: #526 calcajun

Does it run past a high school? It would be fitting.

no comment...

530 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:06:04pm

This guy seems to think it's news that Pamela was once a friend of LGF? lol

531 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:06:09pm

re: #450 Phil.

speaking only for myself, I have no idea who Alex Jones is...


.. then may I respectfully suggest you take a moment to educate yourself before commenting on the topic.

532 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:06:25pm

re: #526 calcajun

Does it run past a JUNIOR high school? It would be fitting.

FTFY

533 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:06:28pm

re: #505 Slumbering Behemoth

I can read areolas for $2.
/female customers only, please.

There's a problem with your proposal. I can't put my finger on it.

534 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:06:29pm

re: #527 DEZes

Boob thread?

535 Racer X  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:06:42pm

re: #450 Phil.

Translation:

I have no idea what you are talking about. Can you please post on subjects that I can easily understand?

536 HelloDare  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:06:47pm

re: #525 Nevergiveup

ASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - Jerry Lee Lewis, the piano-pounding rock 'n' roller known as "The Killer," has been honored by Tennessee lawmakers who voted to name a stretch of road in his honor.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]


[Video]

Killer Highway?

537 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:06:52pm

re: #526 calcajun

Does it run past a high school? It would be fitting.

Well yeah there is that also

538 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:07:21pm

re: #532 sattv4u2

obliged.

539 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:07:22pm

re: #534 Slumbering Behemoth

Boob thread?

Phil did post. ;)

540 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:07:36pm

re: #534 Slumbering Behemoth

Boob thread?

Keep me a breast if one starts up.........
:)

541 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:07:40pm

re: #533 calcajun

There's a problem with your proposal. I can't put my finger on it.

That'll cost you more then $2.

542 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:08:01pm

re: #478 albusteve

there is no logic to liberal Obots...if you really believe BO was furious you need your head examined....and if he does not know where his air taxi is he's a fucking idiot....

I would hope the POTUS would not asked to be updated every time one of his taxi's moves, but if you want to believe he is somehow responsible, it's a small enough issue for me to ignore.

543 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:08:07pm

re: #532 sattv4u2

Does it run past a junior high middle school ....
(FTFY)

544 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:08:27pm

re: #450 Phil.

You need to fill out the Clip'N'Save Form Letter

545 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:08:39pm

re: #539 DEZes

You were reading my mind. Now, what did I do with my tin foil hat?
/

546 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:08:51pm

re: #527 DEZes

Old joke

Doctor: I'll have to numb them first.
Woman: Of course, doctor.
Doctor: Numm Numm numm numm....

547 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:08:52pm

re: #534 Slumbering Behemoth

Boob thread?

Better lactate than never.

548 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:08:56pm

This seems like a good moment to confess a mistake I made here a few years back in referring to that Corrie girl as 'Rachel Squashy'. I still think she was a dupe, but I regret that callous remark.

549 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:09:20pm

re: #480 DEZes

Dr. Phil is that you?
Here is a rope, Mandy will instruct you on the finer points of pissing up it.

LOLOL!

550 sattv4u2  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:09:23pm

re: #543 tradewind

Does it run past a junior high middle school ....
(FTFY)

hey ,,, I'm old ,,,, When (and why) did someone feel the need to change the name!?!?!

551 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:09:38pm

re: #513 realwest

YEA WALTER! I've been working my own network of lizards some of whom may still have air miles left over - this is how we helped get an LGFer to San Diego to see her Marine Corps son off on his first overseas deployment!

What Dusty didn't say, is that even once he gets his VA check on the first if he uses THAT money he'll be short money for May's expenses - he lives, as do a lot of us, from month to month - THANK YOU VERY MUCH for jumping on this.

That's why I suggested help, if anyone could. Even if his VA check could cover the airfare, he would probably be short for the month of May.

And I didn't know how soon he needed to get moving, but I suspect that it would be certainly possible to miss the funeral.

So, I didn't sit around waiting for a firm plan, I just shouted out loud to the Lizards and figured that money now is the best answer.

And I suspect a few extra dollars will always be put to good use. And, as I disclosed earlier, I myself don't really have anything to contribute, not this late in the month.

So, I want to thank all the Lizards who picked up the ball and moved on this. I was only the messenger.

552 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:09:39pm

re: #546 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Old joke

Doctor: I'll have to numb them first.
Woman: Of course, doctor.
Doctor: Numm Numm numm numm....

I've heard that one before if my mammary serves me correctly.....

553 Racer X  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:09:53pm

re: #542 avanti

I would hope the POTUS would not asked to be updated every time one of his taxi's moves, but if you want to believe he is somehow responsible, it's a small enough issue for me to ignore.

Evidently not quite small enough.

554 JCM  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:10:02pm

re: #470 avanti

I'll admit it sounds silly, but what other reason would they have to buzz the statute.

The current official picture of the VC-25A is this one over Mt. Rushmore.

It's the one used (cropped) used on the WH page.

I think you're correct, time for a new picture.

It might have been wise, giving the operating costs of the VC-25A to postpone, if nothing more than for appearance of fiscal prudence.

555 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:10:21pm

re: #485 Walter L. Newton

You don't know, you have no idea, you will check in... shit man, you sound like you check out a long time ago.

If you don't like the subject matter here, leave, jerk.

Those casual bloggers really piss me off - what a bunch of dilletantes!
Don't they realize how deadly serious this stuff is?

556 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:10:26pm

re: #546 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Old joke

Doctor: I'll have to numb them first.
Woman: Of course, doctor.
Doctor: Numm Numm numm numm....

Pervert. ;)

557 livefreeor die  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:10:47pm

re: #385 screaming_eagle

It was a classified photoshoot because they didn't think anybody in NYC would look up?

I'm coming in late and haven't been able to find an answer to this anywhere on the web-what exactly was it a photoshoot for? A glossy brochure? A photo for his bedroom ceiling? If it was to update photos of Air Force 1 (For what?), why not do it over an empty desert?

Final question-just how much did this cost the tax payers?

558 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:10:55pm

OT

Karl Rove on Fox News Cable replying to question about Bush Administration's not defending themselves assertively against accusations from Moveon.org and others angry at Bush Administration for protecting America forcefully.

Huge error, mistake of this Administration to end enhanced interrogation techniques and tell the world as if it was wrong for us to have done so, which it wasn't in the Bush Administration's opinion.

Wrong thing to do, makes us less safe. Says Karl Rove.

NYT is right to worry that it's stock is in the toilet, Sulzberger is an elitist effete snob! Per Karl Rove

559 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:10:59pm

re: #423 Charles

I appreciate the time & energy you put into this blog, and the caliber of the information. Thank you very much.

560 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:11:14pm

re: #542 avanti

I would hope the POTUS would not asked to be updated every time one of his taxi's moves, but if you want to believe he is somehow responsible, it's a small enough issue for me to ignore.

why not?...he's just fucking around pretending to lead and has plenty of time...you do what you do best...

561 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:11:16pm

re: #508 alegrias

* * * *
THAT Sanjay Gupta was under consideration to be Pres. Obama's nominee for Surgeon General. Then Gupta changed his mind.

Smart man. Wanting to stay out of this mess of an administration isn't brain surgery.

562 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:11:30pm

re: #522 ArmyWife

You own your ignorance, my friend. Clearly you have access to the internet, use it for something besides posting silliness on Charles' blog.

LOL! It's called "google". Phil should check it out.

563 HelloDare  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:11:50pm

re: #534 Slumbering Behemoth

Boob thread?

Mammatus Clouds

564 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:12:21pm

re: #519 albusteve

Hoosier Hoops already took care of it

I'll tell you a little secret..We are California Natives..Out of 5 kids.3 went to College in California..The only way we agreed to pay for school is if you went to College in Cali../ here we go..Let lived with Mom and Dad and did in-state tution..I have a ton of frequent flyer milage..The problem is..I can fly him further away from where he wants to go than where Dusty is currently...
I'm going to send some cash and the rest of the lizards should do the same...
/ I talked to Dusty on the phone for like 20 minutes..He is a good guy..
Really enjoyed meeting him

565 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:12:23pm

re: #542 avanti

I would hope the POTUS would not asked to be updated every time one of his taxi's moves, but if you want to believe he is somehow responsible, it's a small enough issue for me to ignore.

Avanti, you ignore ALL the issues, large, small, what ever.

566 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:12:40pm

re: #542 avanti

I would hope the POTUS would not asked to be updated every time one of his taxi's moves, but if you want to believe he is somehow responsible, it's a small enough issue for me to ignore.

* * * *
Now you're calling our Military pilots "taxi" drivers? F.U.

567 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:12:52pm

Ok. A 747, followed by fighter aircraft buzz New York city at low altitude, the president didn't know, the Mayor, Nurse Bloomberg, wasn't notified, the citizenry were not warned in anyway and no one has been "disciplined". Is that what happened?

568 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:12:55pm

re: #563 HelloDare

Do they rain milk?

569 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:13:33pm

re: #554 JCM

The current official picture of the VC-25A is this one over Mt. Rushmore.

It's the one used (cropped) used on the WH page.

I think you're correct, time for a new picture.

It might have been wise, giving the operating costs of the VC-25A to postpone, if nothing more than for appearance of fiscal prudence.

I like the Photoshop idea, unless that would be considered cheating.

570 livefreeor die  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:13:37pm

re: #548 Jimmah

This seems like a good moment to confess a mistake I made here a few years back in referring to that Corrie girl as 'Rachel Squashy'. I still think she was a dupe, but I regret that callous remark.

Was that the infamous "Pancake breakfast" thread?

571 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:13:47pm

re: #499 yochanan

I thought that was intentional because it's true!

572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:13:50pm

re: #566 alegrias

* * * *
Now you're calling our Military pilots "taxi" drivers? F.U.

Shouldn't it be F.Y.?

They are spending some big bucks for pictures aren't they? Don't we already have pictures of NYC?

573 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:14:12pm

re: #505 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't tell me... Braille a specialty, right....

574 Racer X  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:14:13pm

re: #534 Slumbering Behemoth

Boob thread?

Are those cumulus clouds?

575 Killian Bundy  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:14:21pm

Don't want to get the flu? Wash your hands often and avoid coughing people.

/and, what gets most people, don't touch public common surfaces and then touch your face

576 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:14:30pm

re: #568 Jimmah

Do they rain milk?

White rain. ;)

577 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:14:39pm

re: #563 HelloDare

Mammatus Clouds

64DDD Mammatus Clouds!

578 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:14:59pm

re: #564 HoosierHoops

I'll tell you a little secret..We are California Natives..Out of 5 kids.3 went to College in California..The only way we agreed to pay for school is if you went to College in Cali../ here we go..Let lived with Mom and Dad and did in-state tution..I have a ton of frequent flyer milage..The problem is..I can fly him further away from where he wants to go than where Dusty is currently...
I'm going to send some cash and the rest of the lizards should do the same...
/ I talked to Dusty on the phone for like 20 minutes..He is a good guy..
Really enjoyed meeting him

send it where?...I need a bank account number and a routing number...I presume anything less will be too late...am I wrong?....I offered to pay his way three hours ago

579 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:15:04pm

re: #572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Shouldn't it be F.Y.?

They are spending some big bucks for pictures aren't they? Don't we already have pictures of NYC?

They even have those pictures of that big monkey on top of that big building.

Geeessshhhh

580 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:15:19pm

re: #550 sattv4u2

It's a PC thang. ' elementary ' and ' junior ' both deemed to be derogatory terms.
/only part sarc/

581 JacksonTn  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:15:20pm

re: #575 Killian Bundy

Don't want to get the flu? Wash your hands often and avoid coughing people.

/and, what gets most people, don't touch public common surfaces and then touch your face

KB ... I am a freakazoid about touching escalator railings ... they are gross ...

582 screaming_eagle  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:15:36pm

re: #567 BatGuano

Ok. A 747, followed by fighter aircraft buzz New York city at low altitude, the president didn't know, the Mayor, Nurse Bloomberg, wasn't notified, the citizenry were not warned in anyway and no one has been "disciplined". Is that what happened?

Shh, it's still a secret. President Obama hasn't de-classified that info yet.

583 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:15:42pm

re: #499 yochanan

what is your fav. LGF TYPO?

mine is BULK SHIT instead of bull shit.

I like HONCO

584 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:15:44pm

re: #558 alegrias

OT

Karl Rove on Fox News Cable replying to question about Bush Administration's not defending themselves assertively against accusations from Moveon.org and others angry at Bush Administration for protecting America forcefully.

Huge error, mistake of this Administration to end enhanced interrogation techniques and tell the world as if it was wrong for us to have done so, which it wasn't in the Bush Administration's opinion.

Wrong thing to do, makes us less safe. Says Karl Rove.

NYT is right to worry that it's stock is in the toilet, Sulzberger is an elitist effete snob! Per Karl Rove

The big lesson here is that you fight back. For whatever reason the Bush Administration did not defend itself against years of accusations and when you don't punch back, all the public hears is the punches landing from one side....and that's what they remember. And then you end up with a high disapproval rating. No need to scratch your head too long on figuring that one out.
Lesson Learned: Punch the fuck back.

585 yochanan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:16:11pm

re: #548 Jimmah

This seems like a good moment to confess a mistake I made here a few years back in referring to that Corrie girl as 'Rachel Squashy'. I still think she was a dupe, but I regret that callous remark.

a flat corrie?

586 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:16:24pm

re: #572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Shouldn't it be F.Y.?

They are spending some big bucks for pictures aren't they? Don't we already have pictures of NYC?

* * **
You're right, sorry, no hablo ingles cursewords.

587 JCM  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:16:30pm

re: #569 avanti

I like the Photoshop idea, unless that would be considered cheating.

Save a lot of jet fuel.

588 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:16:35pm

re: #575 Killian Bundy

All good advice. Since it's also airborne in coughs and sneezes, though, you have crowds to deal with.
Best to not.
Good luck with that...

589 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:16:43pm

re: #578 albusteve

send it where?...I need a bank account number and a routing number...I presume anything less will be too late...am I wrong?....I offered to pay his way three hours ago

Paypal. His paypal account is the same as his email address, which I sent you. From what I gather, that's how a lot of Lizards donated something today.

590 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:17:01pm

re: #570 livefreeor die

I can't remember. She used to get quite a few mentions.

591 HelloDare  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:17:05pm

re: #568 Jimmah

Do they rain milk?

No. Milky looking hail is as close as you'd ever get. Mamma clouds are associated with thunderstorms.
More here.

592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:17:23pm

re: #581 JacksonTn

You probably are one of those people who holds the paper towel in your hand until you have opened the bathroom door. Then throw you paper towel in the trash from the open doorway.

That's okay by me. But if you are one of those people who throws the paper towel in the trash from the open doorway but misses the trashcan and walks away anyway, that's not okay.

Me? Heck, I'd rather just get sick now and then.

593 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:17:29pm

re: #564 HoosierHoops

I'll tell you a little secret..We are California Natives..Out of 5 kids.3 went to College in California..The only way we agreed to pay for school is if you went to College in Cali../ here we go..Let lived with Mom and Dad and did in-state tution..I have a ton of frequent flyer milage..The problem is..I can fly him further away from where he wants to go than where Dusty is currently...
I'm going to send some cash and the rest of the lizards should do the same...
/ I talked to Dusty on the phone for like 20 minutes..He is a good guy..
Really enjoyed meeting him

Thank you {Hoops}, I chipped in my bit.
You are great like so many Lizards.

594 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:17:33pm

re: #583 OldLineTexan

I saw a bumper sticker.... had to be a lizard.
Honk if you're a Honco.

595 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:17:37pm

re: #568 Jimmah

Do they rain milk?

Are they made of silicone?

596 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:17:38pm

re: #581 JacksonTn

KB ... I am a freakazoid about touching escalator railings ... they are gross ...

You touch escalator railing with your face?

597 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:17:59pm

re: #578 albusteve

send it where?...I need a bank account number and a routing number...I presume anything less will be too late...am I wrong?....I offered to pay his way three hours ago

Walter posted his address..I'll just Fed-EX a money order in the morning...
It's funny about the tiks..I could get him all posts west of Denver for free..
He is not going that way..

598 yochanan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:18:32pm

re: #577 Cygnus

64DDD Mammatus Clouds!

photo shop?

599 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:18:35pm

re: #597 HoosierHoops

Walter posted his address..I'll just Fed-EX a money order in the morning...
It's funny about the tiks..I could get him all posts west of Denver for free..
He is not going that way..

I am! (kidding)

600 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:18:38pm

re: #580 tradewind

"Junior High" was good enough for me it should be good enough for anybody, dammit!

601 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:18:49pm

OK, now that it's a b**b thread, I can post this.

My brother brought me some of these on his recent visit from Colombia, where he lives.

602 JacksonTn  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:19:11pm

re: #596 Walter L. Newton

You touch escalator railing with your face?

Walter ... noooooooooo ... I saw a kid once wipe a bunch of stuff from his nose on one and ever since then ... I would rather fall down the escalator than touch those nasty black railings ...

603 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:19:15pm

re: #548 Jimmah

This seems like a good moment to confess a mistake I made here a few years back in referring to that Corrie girl as 'Rachel Squashy'. I still think she was a dupe, but I regret that callous remark.

I don't.

604 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:19:19pm

re: #589 Walter L. Newton

Paypal. His paypal account is the same as his email address, which I sent you. From what I gather, that's how a lot of Lizards donated something today.

okay I'll donate...my idea was to wire him the money to fly immediately...that's my point but it didn't happen

605 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:19:21pm

re: #591 HelloDare

No. Milky looking hail is as close as you'd ever get. Mamma clouds are associated with thunderstorms.
More here.

Holy teet. ;)

606 livefreeor die  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:19:47pm

re: #572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Shouldn't it be F.Y.?

They are spending some big bucks for pictures aren't they? Don't we already have pictures of NYC?

Unfortunately, we also already have lots of photos of low flying airplanes over NYC. Did not one person think, "Hey, this might make people in NYC uncomfortable?"

607 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:19:55pm

re: #596 Walter L. Newton

No, but I see kids do it every day and I wince.....
Survey shows that the two dirtiest substances in a hotel room are (stop it... not what you think) a) the tv remote, and b) the door knob.

608 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:20:00pm

BNP having collective nervous breakdown:

[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]

609 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:20:11pm

re: #554 JCM

The current official picture of the VC-25A is this one over Mt. Rushmore.

It's the one used (cropped) used on the WH page.

I think you're correct, time for a new picture.

It might have been wise, giving the operating costs of the VC-25A to postpone, if nothing more than for appearance of fiscal prudence.

This photo op is probably not the primary purpose of the mission. Training needs to be done for pilots and other crew on a regular basis, they likely adjusted a mission to accommodate it. On a smaller scale, it is comparable to the lunch runs we used to do to various airports in KS when I was stationed at Ft. Riley as a Huey Crew Chief. Pilots get their flight hours, crews get training time, and we all got a great lunch.

610 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:20:17pm

re: #379 Charles

I notice a lot of right wing bloggers freaking out over an artist's painting of Barack Obama as Christ, with a crown of thorns -- a painting by an independent artist, that Obama had absolutely nothing to do with.

A big yawn from me on this one.

Excellent point. Of course, all those promotional pics of Obama with halos of light surrounding him didn't happen without his co-operation. And his participation in this more secular promotional pic is undeniable: Obama as Superman.

At least he didn't claim to be more popular than the Beatles. /

611 JCM  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:20:22pm

re: #567 BatGuano

Ok. A 747, followed by fighter aircraft buzz New York city at low altitude, the president didn't know, the Mayor, Nurse Bloomberg, wasn't notified, the citizenry were not warned in anyway and no one has been "disciplined". Is that what happened?

It's a VC-25A. A 747 is civilian. (okay, airplane geek point of order)
;-P

Most likely a photo run with the Statue of Liberty backdrop for the VC-25A. The photographer would have been backseating in the fighter.
POTUS didn't need to know or authorize such a hop, and for security they would not have announce the hop.

It would have been polite to let NYC officials have a heads up, and make a public service announcement just before the flight, so anyone who might have intentions would not be able to act on them.

612 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:20:27pm

re: #566 alegrias

* * * *
Now you're calling our Military pilots "taxi" drivers? F.U.

Now that's funny, attacking me for using another's taxi comment.


"albusteve : .if you really believe BO was furious you need your head examined....and if he does not know where his air taxi is he's a fucking idiot...."

613 livefreeor die  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:20:30pm

re: #583 OldLineTexan

I like HONCO

I'll go with the much used "I'm impress."

614 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:20:33pm

re: #592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You probably are one of those people who holds the paper towel in your hand until you have opened the bathroom door. Then throw you paper towel in the trash from the open doorway.

That's okay by me. But if you are one of those people who throws the paper towel in the trash from the open doorway but misses the trashcan and walks away anyway, that's not okay.

Me? Heck, I'd rather just get sick now and then.

A little diarrhea every now and then helps keep the weight off.

615 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:20:35pm

re: #597 HoosierHoops

Walter posted his address..I'll just Fed-EX a money order in the morning...
It's funny about the tiks..I could get him all posts west of Denver for free..
He is not going that way..

cool...that's what I've been waiting to hear....good for you

616 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:21:10pm

re: #584 LGoPs

The big lesson here is that you fight back. For whatever reason the Bush Administration did not defend itself against years of accusations and when you don't punch back, all the public hears is the punches landing from one side....and that's what they remember. And then you end up with a high disapproval rating. No need to scratch your head too long on figuring that one out.
Lesson Learned: Punch the fuck back.

* * * **
The were too polite, and Pres. Bush and Veep Cheney didn't say "Don't think we're not keeping score, Brother" like this Administration and it's consiglieri, Rahm "Rottingfish" Emanuel.

You may recall the faux "outrage" and shocked, shocked vapors caused when Pres. Bush whispered that some NYT reporter was a "major league ass hole" to Vice Pres. Cheney, who agreed "Big Time" and the press went crazy.

617 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:21:20pm

re: #565 Walter L. Newton

It's so much easier that way.

What I don't get is why this was necessary to start with - an updated picture? Why? I was recently given an "official" Air Force One photo, and it looked remarkably like - Air Force One. I know you didn't bring that up, Walter, but it just boggles my brain as to why anyone would think this was a good idea - or a necessary idea at that. You can't make up stupidity like this.

618 yochanan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:21:22pm

re: #601 wrenchwench

send one to je$$ie jack$on just for fun

619 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:21:38pm

re: #608 Jimmah

BNP having collective nervous breakdown:

[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]

It sound like the Republican, if the nuts don't settle down.

620 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:21:42pm

re: #554 JCM

The current official picture of the VC-25A is this one over Mt. Rushmore.

It's the one used (cropped) used on the WH page.

I think you're correct, time for a new picture.

It might have been wise, giving the operating costs of the VC-25A to postpone, if nothing more than for appearance of fiscal prudence.

Don't they know how to use Photoshop?

621 Killian Bundy  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:22:04pm

re: #588 tradewind

All good advice. Since it's also airborne in coughs and sneezes, though, you have crowds to deal with.
Best to not.
Good luck with that...

/well, then wear a mask if you're that worried about it

622 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:22:26pm

re: #618 yochanan

LOL.

You first.

623 JCM  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:22:52pm

re: #609 CyanSnowHawk

This photo op is probably not the primary purpose of the mission. Training needs to be done for pilots and other crew on a regular basis, they likely adjusted a mission to accommodate it. On a smaller scale, it is comparable to the lunch runs we used to do to various airports in KS when I was stationed at Ft. Riley as a Huey Crew Chief. Pilots get their flight hours, crews get training time, and we all got a great lunch.

Good point, a new command pilot took over when GWB left. Normal rotation. Combine a required training hop and a photo hop, or vice versa, along with area familiarization etc...

624 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:23:00pm

re: #614 Nevergiveup

A little diarrhea every now and then helps keep the weight off.

It doesn't do much good. All you lose is water weight and it comes right back. I had food poisoning years ago and lost about 15 pounds in a week.

625 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:23:37pm

re: #610 abolitionist

It irks me that Washingtonian magazine admits to doctoring their cover photo of Obama in his swimming trunks by changing the trunks' color from black to red.
Their rationale? 'it's the color of love'.
Total B.S. They just didn't want him to blend in with the cover completely but they wouldn't admit it.

626 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:23:46pm

re: #624 Cygnus

Lost 40lbs one time from walking pneumonia. They should bottle that stuff. I kept it off for years.

627 livefreeor die  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:23:50pm

re: #617 ArmyWife

It's so much easier that way.

What I don't get is why this was necessary to start with - an updated picture? Why? I was recently given an "official" Air Force One photo, and it looked remarkably like - Air Force One. I know you didn't bring that up, Walter, but it just boggles my brain as to why anyone would think this was a good idea - or a necessary idea at that. You can't make up stupidity like this.

And why does the updated photo have to have such negative connotations associated with it? If you asked people what their worst image of a flying plane was, I bet it involves NYC and a low flying plane.

628 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:24:03pm

re: #575 Killian Bundy

Don't want to get the flu? Wash your hands often and avoid coughing people.

/and, what gets most people, don't touch public common surfaces and then touch your face

I understand that the full body condom is quite effective.

629 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:24:36pm

re: #612 avanti

Now that's funny, attacking me for using another's taxi comment.

"albusteve : .if you really believe BO was furious you need your head examined....and if he does not know where his air taxi is he's a fucking idiot...."

* * * *
If it wasn't you that called our White House aircrafts "taxis" I apologize to you, Avanti.

630 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:24:37pm

re: #624 Cygnus

It doesn't do much good. All you lose is water weight and it comes right back. I had food poisoning years ago and lost about 15 pounds in a week.

Well all the running to the Bathroom has go to be good exercise?

631 callahan23  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:24:55pm

re: #605 DEZes

Holy teet. ;)

Or is it rather: Holy Cow? From Wikipedia:

The name "mammatus" is derived from the Latin mamma (udder), due to the resemblance between the shape of these clouds and the udder of a cow.


Need my sleep.
See you tomorrow Lizards.
Harry C.

632 J.S.  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:25:11pm

re: #408 Charles

I just checked out this Joshua Trevino -- from what I see he's blogging at the Brussels Journal...(and yet he's yakking about a "responsible anti-jihad movement?". According to Wiki, the Brussels Journal features not just the racist Fjordman's "essays" but has that Velaams Belang connection. The Wiki article, as I laugh, also has a feature on "Racism Charges" at the Brussels Journal...The Brussels Journal is not exactly lilly pure from what I'm reading...So if this Trevino is "oh so sensitive!" has he stopped blogging for the Brussels Journal?)

633 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:25:17pm

re: #627 livefreeor die

And why does the updated photo have to have such negative connotations associated with it? If you asked people what their worst image of a flying plane was, I bet it involves NYC and a low flying plane.

Not to our new best friends?

634 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:25:20pm

re: #617 ArmyWife

It's so much easier that way.

What I don't get is why this was necessary to start with - an updated picture? Why? I was recently given an "official" Air Force One photo, and it looked remarkably like - Air Force One. I know you didn't bring that up, Walter, but it just boggles my brain as to why anyone would think this was a good idea - or a necessary idea at that. You can't make up stupidity like this.

You cab when we have American Idolized this country. Everything is image, image control, getting your "message" out. It's reality TV to the tenth power. Cell phone cameras and videos, CCTV cameras, the media covering everything and anything.

Critical thinking is going the way of the dodo.

635 tradewind  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:25:26pm

re: #621 Killian Bundy

I'm not.
But if I had to ride public transportation in say, Mexico City, for the next month or so I damn well would.

636 Cygnus  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:25:41pm

re: #628 Spare O'Lake

I understand that the full body condom is quite effective.

Or just get a Level IV biohazard suit.

637 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:25:52pm

re: #629 alegrias

* * * *
If it wasn't you that called our White House aircrafts "taxis" I apologize to you, Avanti.

I called them taxis...

638 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:26:00pm

re: #606 livefreeor die

Unfortunately, we also already have lots of photos of low flying airplanes over NYC. Did not one person think, "Hey, this might make people in NYC uncomfortable?"

There. More fitting.

639 livefreeor die  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:26:22pm

re: #633 Nevergiveup

Not to our new best friends?

Whoops-you're right. How culturally insensitive of me :)

640 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:26:26pm

re: #611 JCM

Thanks for the additional info. I still think the Prez should have known about it and said, "This is for a photo shoot? How about photo shop?"

641 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:26:52pm

re: #603 Alouette

She was an idiot who got suckered into supporting a sick cause. But I can't help thinking now about how such comments would be seen by her family, so I won't rejoice in the manner of her death.

642 monkeytime  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:27:24pm

re: #569 avanti

I like the Photoshop idea, unless that would be considered cheating.

This is about photographs of Air Force One - the Air Force One that The One will be flying in. There should be no cheating on something this important - what are you thinking? This is a Professional Photographer - not a Democrat Tax Attorney.

643 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:27:46pm

re: #632 J.S.

I just checked out this Joshua Trevino -- from what I see he's blogging at the Brussels Journal...(and yet he's yakking about a "responsible anti-jihad movement?". According to Wiki, the Brussels Journal features not just the racist Fjordman's "essays" but has that Velaams Belang connection. The Wiki article, as I laugh, also has a feature on "Racism Charges" at the Brussels Journal...The Brussels Journal is not exactly lilly pure from what I'm reading...So if this Trevino is "oh so sensitive!" has he stopped blogging for the Brussels Journal?)

What?!

I wasn't going to post a response to Trevino, but that puts a whole new light on it.

[Link: www.brusselsjournal.com...]

644 realwest  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:27:50pm

re: #551 Walter L. Newton
Well Walter, you may have only been the messenger, but you performed that job admirably!
Thank you for the e-mail, I appreciate it very much.
And I appreciate Charles for allowing you to delver the message!
Again, thank you very much.
Oh and PS, your mask as an old curmudgeon slipped a little bit there!

645 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:27:54pm

re: #573 tradewind

Don't tell me... Braille a specialty, right....

That method costs more, as it is more difficult to get an accurate reading, and therefore takes more time and effort.
/

646 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:28:09pm

re: #629 alegrias

* * * *
If it wasn't you that called our White House aircrafts "taxis" I apologize to you, Avanti.

Well, I repeated it in my reply, but I don't think either of us were intending to disrespect the Air Force crew.

647 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:28:17pm

re: #641 Jimmah

She was an idiot who got suckered into supporting a sick cause. But I can't help thinking now about how such comments would be seen by her family, so I won't rejoice in the manner of her death.

I'd feel more sympathy for them if they had not then gone and tried to sue Caterpillar?

648 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:28:22pm

re: #632 J.S.

The brussels journal is a cesspool of trash and racist filth.

649 HelloDare  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:29:04pm

re: #606 livefreeor die

Unfortunately, we also already have lots of photos of low flying airplanes over NYC. Did not one person think, "Hey, this might make people in NYC uncomfortable?"

Obviously, our President hates New Yorkers. He plans to buzz cornfields in the gun-clinging states next week.

650 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:29:17pm

re: #648 Sharmuta

See why I don't go to other websites?

I probably should stop saying that.

651 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:29:35pm

re: #641 Jimmah

She was an idiot who got suckered into supporting a sick cause. But I can't help thinking now about how such comments would be seen by her family, so I won't rejoice in the manner of her death.

Her family is just as idiotic as she is.

652 Racer X  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:29:47pm

I am totally done hearing about "Octomom".

Now go away.

653 yochanan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:29:47pm

re: #638 ArmyWife

remember the donks are a sept 10 party they don't think about terrorism.

654 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:29:48pm

re: #649 HelloDare

Obviously, our President hates New Yorkers. He plans to buzz cornfields in the gun-clinging states next week.

if he buzzes NM he'll be treated like a country road sign

655 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:30:32pm

re: #648 Sharmuta

The brussels journal is a cesspool of trash and racist filth.

It is the swine flu of journals.

656 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:30:44pm

re: #650 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

See why I don't go to other websites?

I probably should stop saying that.

Sometimes it's good to see what others are up to, even others of a less than savory nature.

657 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:30:55pm

re: #655 Spare O'Lake

It is the swine flu of journals.

I love it!

658 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:31:01pm

This sounds stupid. I think that spending a bunch of money to take an official portrait of an inanimate object is objectionable.

659 HelloDare  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:31:21pm

re: #654 albusteve

if he buzzes NM he'll be treated like a country road sign

Maybe he'll switch to the bible-clingers.

660 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:31:25pm

re: #466 J.S.

What a pretentious pr*ck...(excuse my French). As if one wouldn't be capable of denouncing the Bush Derangement Syndrome which went on for 8 (or more is it, now?) years...or coming up with obnoxious, hate-filled notions made and spread by Leftists...Both sides (whether extremist right or extremist left) have been guilty of a variety of "misdemeanors" which (I'm sure the opposite side) will find "unforgivable." (When I read such things by this Trevino, I'm sooo tempted to write a mocking parody...)

Josh "Tacitus" Trevino started out as a Bush cheerleader; he was one of the designers of the RedState blog. But then Bush's opinion polls dipped and he implemented his current persona as world-weary, above-it-all sage. Insofar as LGF remains one of the more prominent blogs shedding light on the dysfunctions of modern Islam, it reminds Trevino too much of what he once was, and he can't stand that.

661 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:31:47pm

re: #637 albusteve

I called them taxis...

* * * *
F.Y. in standard English then!

My understanding is when the President is aboard, these planes ARE the White House. They aren't flown by folks who don't speak English and disrespect their passenger as some taxi drivers do.

(also, where I come from, it was an insult to call someone a taxi driver).

662 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:31:47pm

re: #648 Sharmuta

The brussels journal is a cesspool of trash and racist filth.

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

663 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:31:48pm

re: #640 BatGuano

Sorry, I thought my photo shop idea was original. I didn't see the earlier posts. I still think it would have been a better idea.

664 monkeytime  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:32:03pm

re: #652 Racer X

I am totally done hearing about "Octomom".

Now go away.

Octomom is so last month. This month is Susan Boyle.

665 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:32:15pm

re: #638 ArmyWife

There. More fitting.

Hi there! Hope tonight finds you well..I can comment about this..This is a silly story..Anytime you see F15 Fighters cruising..you should grab your camera..Not your phone...Damn New Yorkers! LOL
/Yes I am running lizards :)

666 HelloDare  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:32:26pm

re: #655 Spare O'Lake

It is the swine flu of journals.

It makes sane people sick.

667 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:32:35pm

re: #619 Walter L. Newton

It sound like the Republican, if the nuts don't settle down.

The booklet also warns activists not to set up official party blogs because "they can't write proper English" and describes some members as "oddballs".

The BNP have identified the problem - they're a bunch of FRRRREEAKS! As disgusting racist boneheads go, they really are a comedic lot. But don't forget, we need them in the battle against Islamism! We must join with them or all is lost!/

668 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:32:37pm

re: #656 Sharmuta

Sometimes it's good to see what others are up to, even others of a less than savory nature.

Operative word is "I". Y'all can go and report away. I'll stay here in my fairly lizard friendly lounge, thank you very much.

Can we call a thread a Lizard Lounge now?

669 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:32:42pm

re: #658 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This sounds stupid. I think that spending a bunch of money to take an official portrait of an inanimate object is objectionable.

the whole incident is just bullshit...there is no explaining it away....pointless, needless and irresponsible

670 jcm  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:33:02pm

re: #640 BatGuano

Thanks for the additional info. I still think the Prez should have known about it and said, "This is for a photo shoot? How about photo shop?"

That would be more expensive.

First you have to cover about a square mile with a green or blue screen, then fly the VC-25A over the screen so it can be clip out of the background and inserted cleanly.

Otherwise instead of complaining burning jet fuel, we'd be bitching about BHO PShopping official photos!

///////

671 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:33:03pm

re: #664 monkeytime

Octomom is so last month. This month is Susan Boyle.

Thank God that the month is almost over.

672 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:33:59pm

OT

Bernadine Healy, M.D., former NIH head during Bush I admin. talking about Swine Flu intelligently on Fox News right now.

673 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:33:59pm

re: #651 Alouette

Her family is just as idiotic as she is.

I know, they are idiots too, but still...

674 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:34:12pm

re: #669 albusteve

add expensive and you've summed up the last 100 days.

675 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:34:37pm

re: #658 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This sounds stupid. I think that spending a bunch of money to take an official portrait of an inanimate object is objectionable.

Well, then you really be pissed to know that my cruiser, the Newport News got underway and staged a 9 gun salvo for a photo shoot.

676 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:34:44pm

re: #671 calcajun

The Susan Boyle story makes me smile. First because it is smile worthy. Second, it has made a bunch of folks re-think those that may not be as pretty as something pretty.

677 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:34:53pm

re: #661 alegrias

* * * *
F.Y. in standard English then!

My understanding is when the President is aboard, these planes ARE the White House. They aren't flown by folks who don't speak English and disrespect their passenger as some taxi drivers do.

(also, where I come from, it was an insult to call someone a taxi driver).

I made no allusion to the drivers...and further I've insulted many people unawares...my intention was honest

678 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:35:40pm

re: #660 Zimriel

Josh "Tacitus" Trevino started out as a Bush cheerleader; he was one of the designers of the RedState blog. But then Bush's opinion polls dipped and he implemented his current persona as world-weary, above-it-all sage. Insofar as LGF remains one of the more prominent blogs shedding light on the dysfunctions of modern Islam, it reminds Trevino too much of what he once was, and he can't stand that.

Serve me right for playing desktop psychiatrist. Since Trevino is a BJ contributor, LGF's posts on militant / misogynistic strains in modern Islam wouldn't be a problem for him. What would be more of a problem is that these posts have been put in service of the wrong cause - LGF is part of the "neocon" project of getting Islam to reform, not the "paleocon" project of keeping Muslims out of the West.

679 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:36:13pm

re: #675 avanti

Really? Did they mail one of the pics to some piss-ant dictator saying, "Fucker? We're on our way to see you!".

If not, just seems like a huge waste of money to me.

680 yochanan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:36:14pm

re: #647 Nevergiveup

frankly st pancake was a raving anti semite SHE GOT WHAT SHE DESERVED since her goal was to help murder jews f''' her

681 jwb7605  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:36:14pm
682 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:36:26pm

OH NOES! I haz bin waterboarded!

683 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:36:30pm

I'm glad no-one dinged up my #660, btw.

684 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:36:32pm

I wonder if weigel knows he's using the argument of a person who writes for one of the key euro-fascist apologist sites.

685 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:36:35pm

re: #675 avanti

Well, then you really be pissed to know that my cruiser, the Newport News got underway and staged a 9 gun salvo for a photo shoot.

won't work...that is a dead end

686 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:37:00pm

re: #677 albusteve

I made no allusion to the drivers...and further I've insulted many people unawares...my intention was honest

He did not insult anyone and you are honest Steve..

687 irish rose  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:37:04pm

I'm away from home tonight and don't have time to blog or participate in discussion, but Charles... you know how I feel.

This place is one of the few sane places left in the right of center blogosphere, and I consider it a great privilege to have posting privileges here at LGF.

Keep fighting the good fight.

688 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:37:26pm

re: #676 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I know- I know. Hope she gets a good deal out of the publicity. It's just that something seems phony about it--it's too good a story.

689 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:37:52pm

re: #670 jcm

Ok. I thought I was just a copy/paste thing. Never mind. :)

690 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:37:59pm

re: #676 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Susan Boyle story makes me smile. First because it is smile worthy. Second, it has made a bunch of folks re-think those that may not be as pretty as something pretty.

I never watch the shows, in fact if I turn my tv on, its to plug in a movie.
But someone here posted her video, to say the least, I was stunned and pleased at the same time.

691 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:38:41pm

OK. I think I have to post something about Trevino's little slap now. The guy is associated with a website that advocates white separatism and expelling all Muslims from the West, whose owner's wife is an official in the Vlaams Belang, and who runs ads for BNP forums -- and he lectures me about "responsible anti-jihadism?"

I almost don't believe this. Thanks for tipping me, J.S. I wouldn't have even thought to check for something like that.

692 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:38:42pm

re: #652 Racer X

I am totally done hearing about "Octomom".

Now go away.

* * * **
Octomom is not done with you, if you're in California!
She's yours for 18 years or more of receiving welfare benefits for herself and her 14 children, from a bankrupt state.

693 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:38:53pm

re: #690 DEZes

People see me and assume that I am not sexy. When in fact I am!

and humble.

694 jcm  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:39:24pm

re: #689 BatGuano

Ok. I thought I was just a copy/paste thing. Never mind. :)

Heck, CGI the whole thing. Barry can walk.

///

695 realwest  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:39:24pm

re: #643 Charles
GIVE HIM HELL CHARLES! Should be easy - just tell the truth the way you always do.

696 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:39:39pm

re: #604 albusteve

okay I'll donate...my idea was to wire him the money to fly immediately...that's my point but it didn't happen

I used Paypal and he got the money within the hour......

697 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:40:01pm

Yankees getting shut out in Detroit by Verlander 4-0. CC Sebathia on the mound. This team has no heart I am afraid.

698 irish rose  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:40:12pm

re: #691 Charles

OK. I think I have to post something about Trevino little slap now. The guy is associated with a website that advocates white separatism and expelling all Muslims from the West, whose owner's wife is an official in the Vlaams Belang, and who runs ads for BNP forums -- and he lectures me about "responsible anti-jihadism?"

I almost don't believe this. Thanks for tipping me, J.S. I wouldn't have even thought to check for something like that.

A big slap, nothing less will do.

699 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:41:07pm

re: #697 Nevergiveup

Yankees getting shut out in Detroit by Verlander 4-0. CC Sebathia on the mound. This team has no heart I am afraid.

Heh. My son is at that game. Go Tigers!

700 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:41:10pm

re: #676 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Susan Boyle story makes me smile. First because it is smile worthy. Second, it has made a bunch of folks re-think those that may not be as pretty as something pretty.

Her story brought a tear to my eye. I wish her great success.

701 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:41:20pm

re: #679 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Really? Did they mail one of the pics to some piss-ant dictator saying, "Fucker? We're on our way to see you!".

If not, just seems like a huge waste of money to me.

It's SOP to take pretty pictures of Navy ships for the media, cruise books, and the like.

702 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:41:36pm

re: #698 irish rose

Hope you are well! I couldn't figure out how to post at your Blog...
Is there a secret decoder ring I need? :)

703 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:41:41pm

re: #693 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

People see me and assume that I am not sexy. When in fact I am!

and humble.

I see. ;)

704 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:41:53pm

re: #675 avanti

Well, then you really be pissed to know that my cruiser, the Newport News got underway and staged a 9 gun salvo for a photo shoot.

* * * *
During the Great Depression? Have you not heard? We aren't in flush times anymore.

Plus Obama's cutting the Defense budget, so why these truly wasteful "missions accomplished"?

705 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:41:56pm

/I just noticed I passed a certain Karma milestone and I don't know who put me over. And I had a 1,000 dollar bill for them! Maybe next time.

706 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:41:59pm

re: #686 HoosierHoops

He did not insult anyone and you are honest Steve..

he knows that...there are no insults

707 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:42:00pm

I notice that Brussels Journal is still advertising that they're a member of the "OpinionJournal Federation" even though they were quietly removed from that list.

708 jcm  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:42:09pm

re: #695 realwest

GIVE HIM HELL CHARLES! Should be easy - just tell the truth the way you always do.

You Can't Handle the Truth!

Not you Real, all the Nazi sympathizers.

709 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:42:33pm

re: #696 LGoPs

I used Paypal and he got the money within the hour......

we did not know that earlier...I'll send some money

710 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:42:36pm

Go get 'em, Charles!

711 irish rose  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:42:37pm

re: #702 HoosierHoops

Hope you are well! I couldn't figure out how to post at your Blog...
Is there a secret decoder ring I need? :)

You need a blogger account.

712 realwest  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:43:08pm

Gotta fly folks, hope you have a great evening and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

713 yochanan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:43:09pm

the fact that it was a photo op really isn't the issue but the reaction and who wasn't told is the issue.

a low flying jet over lower manhatten that will work. YEAH RIGHT.

714 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:43:12pm

re: #697 Nevergiveup

I played "Rocky" in Damn Yankees...allow me to quote his singing line...

Smokey:
So what the heck's the use of cryin'?
Coach:
Why should we curse?
Sohovic:
We've got to get better......
Rocky:
....'cause we can't get worse!
All:
And to add to it; we've got heart! We've got heart! We've got Heart!


But, I think you're right.

715 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:43:44pm

re: #704 alegrias

* * * *
During the Great Depression? Have you not heard? We aren't in flush times anymore.

Plus Obama's cutting the Defense budget, so why these truly wasteful "missions accomplished"?

Gates is increasing the defense budget by 8%, but I get your point.

716 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:43:56pm

re: #699 Alouette

Heh. My son is at that game. Go Tigers!

Glad to keep you informed

717 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:44:18pm

re: #608 Jimmah

BNP having collective nervous breakdown:

[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]

It's little more that a Searchlight press release (not that there's anything wrong with Searchlight press releases!), so take that with a grain or two of salt. Burnout in the BNP's upper echelons is, I suspect, overstated; every major organisation has the occasional burnout in it, and there's little helpful manuals and memos in any public movement - or so I'd expect.

I'm getting more lulz out of this: 'The booklet also warns activists not to set up official party blogs because "they can't write proper English" and describes some members as "oddballs".' (This is I think why one of these activists leaked the manual.)

Hey BNP members! This is what your party thinks of you.

718 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:45:20pm

re: #715 avanti

Gates is increasing the defense budget by 8%, but I get your point.

the D budget is massive...an 8% increase does not mean we are safer or better able to fight....you knew that tho

719 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:45:24pm

re: #705 BatGuano

/I just noticed I passed a certain Karma milestone and I don't know who put me over. And I had a 1,000 dollar bill for them! Maybe next time.

I could still down ding you--just for grins.//

720 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:45:40pm

re: #715 avanti

Gates is increasing the defense budget by 8%, but I get your point.

* * * *
Is that the COLA? Or new Pentagon employee, ex-LA Times reporter Rosa Brooks' office redecoration expenses?

721 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:46:04pm

re: #715 avanti

Gates is increasing the defense budget by 8%, but I get your point.

Everything I've heard, defense is getting decreased. Where do you get increased by 8%.

722 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:46:15pm

re: #665 HoosierHoops

Hi - tonight is good - waiting on the ratification vote results, though rumor is we have a contract. Beyond that, just trying to figure out what in the heck is wrong with people.

My horses come down next weekend! YAYAYAYAY!

723 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:47:01pm

re: #705 BatGuano

/I just noticed I passed a certain Karma milestone and I don't know who put me over. And I had a 1,000 dollar bill for them! Maybe next time.

Twas me, I swear. ;)
Congrats.

724 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:47:33pm

re: #661 alegrias


(also, where I come from, it was an insult to call someone a taxi driver).

You should tell buzzsawmonkey that sometime.

725 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:47:43pm
726 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:47:46pm

re: #722 ArmyWife

Hi - tonight is good - waiting on the ratification vote results, though rumor is we have a contract. Beyond that, just trying to figure out what in the heck is wrong with people.

My horses come down next weekend! YAYAYAYAY!

That's wonderful! Wish you well..I'm watching the NBA playoffs..(of course)
:)

727 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:48:07pm

re: #719 calcajun

Ooooh. I just thought of that! I have had enough down-dings, thank you. ;)

728 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:48:45pm

re: #691 Charles

OK. I think I have to post something about Trevino's little slap now. The guy is associated with a website that advocates white separatism and expelling all Muslims from the West, whose owner's wife is an official in the Vlaams Belang, and who runs ads for BNP forums -- and he lectures me about "responsible anti-jihadism?"

I almost don't believe this. Thanks for tipping me, J.S. I wouldn't have even thought to check for something like that.

He also seems to like Ruffini's the Next Right...

729 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:49:45pm

re: #691 Charles

Bust his ass, Charles!

730 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:49:53pm

I am here reposting a post I made early this morning on the William F. Buckley thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Charles is a voice of informed conscience for the antijihadi blogosphere; you might not like what you hear, but you listen - and if you're wise, you usually heed. Because he checks things out, and he's right about them a large majority of the time.

731 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:50:00pm

Good evening lizards. Well, I managed to send a resume' electronically through the intertubes...and it worked! Now it is wait and see time. All of thses asshats bugging Charles and us can go take a long walk on a short pier. Fascists is fascists. Fuck 'em all.

732 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:50:13pm

re: #726 HoosierHoops

Where the hell are they?

733 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:51:10pm

re: #732 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where the hell are they?

TNT my friend..Hawks vs. Miami

734 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:51:19pm

re: #687 irish rose

left in the right of center

Great phrase.

/but I'm a bit dizzy

735 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:51:22pm

re: #731 pingjockey

Good evening lizards. Well, I managed to send a resume' electronically through the intertubes...and it worked! Now it is wait and see time. All of thses asshats bugging Charles and us can go take a long walk on a short pier. Fascists is fascists. Fuck 'em all.

****
congrats, good luck

736 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:51:49pm

re: #722 ArmyWife
Where are your horses? In the bar with Toby Keith?

737 Gella  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:51:53pm

does any one will be watching Hawks?

738 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:52:00pm

It's difficult to aspire to the higher, and very easy to revert to the lower. We should thank Charles for his consistent ability to see and to point out the right way.

739 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:52:20pm

One of Trevino's recent pieces on BJ :

[Link: www.brusselsjournal.com...]

Mealy-mouthed Serbian revisionism.

740 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:52:24pm

re: #733 HoosierHoops

Thanks. Was searching. Just didn't go that far.

741 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:53:01pm

re: #729 Slumbering Behemoth

Bust his ass, Charles!

The heat is on!

742 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:53:09pm

re: #718 albusteve

the D budget is massive...an 8% increase does not mean we are safer or better able to fight....you knew that tho

anyway numbers are fungible. The 8% "increase" includes the most of the funds for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush's defense budgets did not. They were supplemental. So there is no increase. And there are a whole host of other number games in there.

743 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:53:09pm

re: #735 alegrias
Thank you kindly. I wasn't sure with the website that I'd done it properly!

744 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:53:24pm

Y'all have a ball! Later!

745 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:54:05pm

re: #736 pingjockey

Where are your horses? In the bar with Toby Keith?

If they are, I'm with 'em!

/and if that phone ringin' is my old lady, I ain't here!

746 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:54:22pm

re: #736 pingjockey

They wish, especially the Irish one! No, they are at my trainer's in Maryland, they are coming to the new barn in Virginia - my horses have a new home, my family not so much!

747 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:54:35pm

re: #723 DEZes

Thanks. I rarely check it. I just noticed when I was looking for one of my previous posts. It did remind me of some posts I made sometime ago and Charles and others down dinged me heavily. I was wrong all the way. Charles could have rightfully deleted me, but I'm still here. Long live LGF!

748 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:54:45pm

re: #717 Zimriel

That's what I took from it as well. (See comment 667) :)

749 Zimriel  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:55:13pm

Trevino voted for Bobby Jindal - as his "opening shot" in the "fight to shape the future of our party".

As always, the convergences are intriguing...

750 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:55:25pm

re: #742 Nevergiveup

anyway numbers are fungible. The 8% "increase" includes the most of the funds for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush's defense budgets did not. They were supplemental. So there is no increase. And there are a whole host of other number games in there.

of course...no numbers for the F-22...we were expecting 23 of them here in ABQ...no words can describe my contempt for BO

751 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:55:37pm

re: #742 Nevergiveup
8% in the Pentagons budget can mean many things, a raise for the troops, R&D, more frackkin' civilian paper shufflers, it does not mean the money will get to the folks at the sharp end. With this admin I opt for the option of more money for paper shufflers.

752 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:56:13pm

re: #746 ArmyWife
Horses are people too!

753 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:56:22pm

:sigh: No matter how hard I give 'em the evil eye, my chores refuse to do themselves. Guess I better get crackin'.

Catch y'all later.

754 calcajun  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:56:23pm

re: #727 BatGuano

I do not dd for fun or games, anyway. Welcome to the 1K club.

755 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:56:37pm

re: #739 Jimmah

One of Trevino's recent pieces on BJ :

[Link: www.brusselsjournal.com...]

Mealy-mouthed Serbian revisionism.

Excellent find: Smart money says he might be Orthodox or Melkite, notice that he's also been to Russia...

synchronicity.

756 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:57:27pm

re: #739 Jimmah

One of Trevino's recent pieces on BJ :

[Link: www.brusselsjournal.com...]

Mealy-mouthed Serbian revisionism.

Reads like something we'd get from Jatras.

757 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:57:33pm

re: #746 ArmyWife

They wish, especially the Irish one! No, they are at my trainer's in Maryland, they are coming to the new barn in Virginia - my horses have a new home, my family not so much!

* * * *
I know a nice boarding operation in Howard County, if you have friends looking...Harwood Horse Farm, near the Patuxent watershed, in some of the oldest Fox Hunt country.

758 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:57:39pm

So what we have in yet another Paleocon anti jihad pimp for Serbia.

759 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:57:41pm

re: #747 BatGuano

Thanks. I rarely check it. I just noticed when I was looking for one of my previous posts. It did remind me of some posts I made sometime ago and Charles and others down dinged me heavily. I was wrong all the way. Charles could have rightfully deleted me, but I'm still here. Long live LGF!

You were a keeper, You can admit when you are wrong, take your lumps and move on.
Its hard not to respect that.
Ill help ya get to 2000. ;)

760 monkeytime  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:57:48pm

Dumb question - how do I turn my nic blue so I can get dustyvets email?

761 HelloDare  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:58:04pm

Just heard on the radio that schools in Mexico will be shut down till May 6.

762 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:58:09pm

re: #751 pingjockey

8% in the Pentagons budget can mean many things, a raise for the troops, R&D, more frackkin' civilian paper shufflers, it does not mean the money will get to the folks at the sharp end. With this admin I opt for the option of more money for paper shufflers.

No shit. It's just as likely that he was going to reduce defense by 30% and now is only going to reduce it by 22%. Hence the 8% increase....Voyla! Ain't numbers grand?
*Snort*

763 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:58:23pm

re: #745 OldLineTexan
Had a place in San Diego. Price list for wives calling the bar
Isn't here......5 bucks
Just left........3 bucks
Haven't seen him all day.... 1 buck

764 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:58:36pm

US lawmakers: Release interrogation records
Published: 04.28.09, 00:18 / Israel News
Top House Republicans are calling for the CIA to release to Congress its records on the classified briefings it conducted for lawmakers on its harsh interrogation program in an effort to establish what Democrats knew about those techniques. (AP)

Let the games begin!

765 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:58:52pm

Charles -

At one time I "Backed" Jimmy Carter. To err is Human. That is all.

-S-

766 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:59:17pm

re: #751 pingjockey

8% in the Pentagons budget can mean many things, a raise for the troops, R&D, more frackkin' civilian paper shufflers, it does not mean the money will get to the folks at the sharp end. With this admin I opt for the option of more money for paper shufflers.

* * * *
Monica Lewinsky worked at the Pentagon in the Clinton Years, did she not? That was your good defense dollars going to waste, right there.

767 jim in virginia  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:59:21pm

re: #653 yochanan

remember the donks are a sept 10 party they don't think about terrorism.

It's Clinton and WTC 1 all over again. Terrorists and pirates are criminals, to be dealt with in a court of law, after they have been Mirandized.

You don't send the Marines after bank robbers do you?
/

768 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:59:37pm

re: #747 BatGuano

I always laugh when I hear Charles doesn't appreciate dissent. I've not found that to be the case at all. In fact, I've disagreed with him on a few occasions, but I did so by stating my thoughts and why I felt that way. What I didn't do was engage in childish name calling. Funny thing - I'm still in good standing.

(Right, Charles? Still in good graces?)
///////

769 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:59:44pm

re: #675 avanti

Well, then you really be pissed to know that my cruiser, the Newport News got underway and staged a 9 gun salvo for a photo shoot.

Were the 9 guns the 8" main battery?

770 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:59:45pm

re: #764 Nevergiveup

US lawmakers: Release interrogation records
Published: 04.28.09, 00:18 / Israel News
Top House Republicans are calling for the CIA to release to Congress its records on the classified briefings it conducted for lawmakers on its harsh interrogation program in an effort to establish what Democrats knew about those techniques. (AP)

Let the games begin!

Release the shitbirds!

771 HelloDare  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:59:45pm

re: #764 Nevergiveup

US lawmakers: Release interrogation records
Published: 04.28.09, 00:18 / Israel News
Top House Republicans are calling for the CIA to release to Congress its records on the classified briefings it conducted for lawmakers on its harsh interrogation program in an effort to establish what Democrats knew about those techniques. (AP)

Let the games begin!

Pelosi slept through class that day.

772 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 5:59:59pm

re: #763 pingjockey

Had a place in San Diego. Price list for wives calling the bar
Isn't here......5 bucks
Just left........3 bucks
Haven't seen him all day.... 1 buck

Dang Cell phones! curse the inventor! LOL

773 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:00:10pm

re: #760 monkeytime

Dumb question - how do I turn my nic blue so I can get dustyvets email?

Go up to where you log in and click on the "my account" feature. Set up LGF safe email, and then set your address to show.

774 monkeytime  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:00:19pm

re: #764 Nevergiveup

US lawmakers: Release interrogation records
Published: 04.28.09, 00:18 / Israel News
Top House Republicans are calling for the CIA to release to Congress its records on the classified briefings it conducted for lawmakers on its harsh interrogation program in an effort to establish what Democrats knew about those techniques. (AP)

Let the games begin!

What difference does it make? The minute those records are released showing how the interrogations lead to the prevention of another 911 in LA Michelle Obama will have Susan Boyle and Octomom to lunch at the Whitehouse and what do you think will get covered?

775 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:00:35pm

re: #760 monkeytime

Dumb question - how do I turn my nic blue so I can get dustyvets email?

ask Alvin

776 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:00:49pm

re: #758 Thanos

So what we have in yet another Paleocon anti jihad pimp for Serbia.

Not really surprising, is it?

777 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:01:01pm

re: #760 monkeytime

Dumb question - how do I turn my nic blue so I can get dustyvets email?

In the post box is another box at the top right, that says show email, click it.
and your good to go.

778 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:01:07pm

re: #757 alegrias

Fox hunters are nuts. I say this as an Eventer. ;)

I will certainly pass this along, though!

779 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:01:12pm

re: #762 LGoPs
The donks used to do that. Accuse RWR of cutting social security or whatever...The donks wanted 10 RWR gave 8 so the donks would say they're cutting whatever by 2 percent! Even though it was an INCREASE!
Lyin' sonsabitches.

780 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:01:15pm

re: #765 Dr. Shalit

Charles -

At one time I "Backed" Jimmy Carter. To err is Human. That is all.

-S-

* * *
At the time "I will never lie to you" seemed like the change we were hoping for!

781 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:01:23pm

re: #773 Thanos

Go up to where you log in and click on the "my account" feature. Set up LGF safe email, and then set your address to show.

Or you can just click on "Show email" above the comment form.

782 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:01:29pm

re: #721 LGoPs

Everything I've heard, defense is getting decreased. Where do you get increased by 8%.


"Media Reports Major Defense Budget Cuts As Obama Proposes Increase In Defense Budget

In other words, by retooling the Pentagon, Obama and Gates plan to move a lot of money around, but they also plan to increase the overall defense budget. In the final year of the Bush administration (and excluding the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan) the defense budget was $513 billion. In FY 2010, if Gates and Obama get their way, it will be $534 billion--$534 billion that will be spent much differently than last year's outlays were.

But you'd never know that from the news coverage. "

budget

783 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:01:45pm

re: #755 Thanos

Excellent find: Smart money says he might be Orthodox or Melkite, notice that he's also been to Russia...

synchronicity.

I was initially curious as to why BJ would have him given some of his stated views - after reading that, it makes more sense. I'm guessing the more we look, the less mysterious it will seem.

784 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:01:50pm

re: #764 Nevergiveup

US lawmakers: Release interrogation records
Published: 04.28.09, 00:18 / Israel News
Top House Republicans are calling for the CIA to release to Congress its records on the classified briefings it conducted for lawmakers on its harsh interrogation program in an effort to establish what Democrats knew about those techniques. (AP)

Let the games begin!

Nevergiveup -

AND - unless the Majority Party backs off (which they will) - The Games will be reminiscent of those held in the Flavian Ampitheatre.

-S-

785 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:01:56pm

re: #766 alegrias

* * * *
Monica Lewinsky worked at the Pentagon in the Clinton Years, did she not? That was your good defense dollars going to waste, right there.

She was responsible for keeping the President's morale up.......among other things.
/

786 monkeytime  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:02:03pm

re: #773 Thanos

Go up to where you log in and click on the "my account" feature. Set up LGF safe email, and then set your address to show.

Thank you.

787 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:02:37pm

re: #779 pingjockey

The donks used to do that. Accuse RWR of cutting social security or whatever...The donks wanted 10 RWR gave 8 so the donks would say they're cutting whatever by 2 percent! Even though it was an INCREASE!
Lyin' sonsabitches.

Yup. Batsards. All of them.

788 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:02:49pm

re: #771 HelloDare

Pelosi slept through class that day.

* * * *
Botox shots are supposed to erase wrinkles, not your memory.

789 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:02:53pm

re: #772 HoosierHoops
No shit! Life was much simpler. Goddamn technology!

790 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:03:01pm

re: #756 Sharmuta

Reads like something we'd get from Jatras.

Yes, those terrifying Albanians provoked the whole thing/

791 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:03:02pm

re: #787 LGoPs

Yup. Batsards. All of them.

And they're bastards too........
:)

792 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:03:21pm

re: #782 avanti

So it is not increased as we all knew- what is your point?

793 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:03:34pm

re: #780 alegrias

* * *
At the time "I will never lie to you" seemed like the change we were hoping for!

alegrias -

Damned sure it did. Former President Carter had a book too, as I recall the title was "WHY NOT THE BEST?."

-S-

794 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:03:37pm

re: #781 Sharmuta

Or you can just click on "Show email" above the comment form.

You said everything I did much more conservatively than I. ;)

795 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:04:05pm

re: #782 avanti

"Media Reports Major Defense Budget Cuts As Obama Proposes Increase In Defense Budget

In other words, by retooling the Pentagon, Obama and Gates plan to move a lot of money around, but they also plan to increase the overall defense budget. In the final year of the Bush administration (and excluding the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan) the defense budget was $513 billion. In FY 2010, if Gates and Obama get their way, it will be $534 billion--$534 billion that will be spent much differently than last year's outlays were.

But you'd never know that from the news coverage. "

budget

crunch crunch crunch....where the hell is the Raptor?....

796 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:04:30pm

re: #764 Nevergiveup

US lawmakers: Release interrogation records
Published: 04.28.09, 00:18 / Israel News
Top House Republicans are calling for the CIA to release to Congress its records on the classified briefings it conducted for lawmakers on its harsh interrogation program in an effort to establish what Democrats knew about those techniques. (AP)

Let the games begin!

Hoorah!
Bring it on.

797 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:04:39pm

re: #787 LGoPs

Plus 1 for another favorite typo!

798 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:05:31pm

re: #766 alegrias

She started out unpaid - then came the relationship with President Clinton, which magically opened up a paid internship opportunity. Once her presence became problematic to everyone (but Bill), she was exited to the Pentagon to keep her a** out of the oval office. The meltdown commenced shortly there after. Wouldn't it be interesting to speak with her now about this now that she's grown up.

799 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:05:44pm

re: #795 albusteve

albusteve -

If there is extra money, what will it be spent on? "OMA" or "Meals on Wheels?"
Discussion?

-S-

800 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:05:57pm

re: #792 Nevergiveup

So it is not increased as we all knew- what is your point?

In my world, going from 513 billion to 534 billion is a increase, and your point is ?

801 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:06:21pm

re: #795 albusteve
But, we don't need an air superiority fighter. Everybody is our friend now. /
We are the US of A. Our military should have the best, most kickass weapons around and never take a back seat to anyone, anywhere.

802 eon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:06:40pm

re: #793 Dr. Shalit

alegrias -

Damned sure it did. Former President Carter had a book too, as I recall the title was "WHY NOT THE BEST?."

-S-

In Jimmah's case, my response was "Have you looked in a mirror lately?"

cheers

eon

803 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:06:44pm

re: #790 Jimmah

Yes, those terrifying Albanians provoked the whole thing/

I really "loved" the whole whitewashing of ethnic cleansing.

804 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:06:50pm

re: #791 LGoPs

And they're bastards too........
:)

Duda dudda dudada batsards.

805 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:07:13pm

re: #754 calcajun

I know that. :-}

806 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:07:17pm

re: #782 avanti

"Media Reports Major Defense Budget Cuts As Obama Proposes Increase In Defense Budget

In other words, by retooling the Pentagon, Obama and Gates plan to move a lot of money around, but they also plan to increase the overall defense budget. In the final year of the Bush administration (and excluding the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan) the defense budget was $513 billion. In FY 2010, if Gates and Obama get their way, it will be $534 billion--$534 billion that will be spent much differently than last year's outlays were.

But you'd never know that from the news coverage. "

budget

Yeah. The media is really going after and distorting Obama's intentions.
There ain't a sarc tag big enough to fit into this comment box.

807 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:07:50pm

re: #776 Sharmuta

Not really surprising, is it?

Not at all. The "undergound current" of wanting to align with Russia is apparent in that movement too. Here you can see Trevino wearing his moderate mask but really telling us Hey, Putin ain't so bad...
This goes with the Weyrich Paleo stance.

808 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:07:59pm

re: #800 avanti

In my world, going from 513 billion to 534 billion is a increase, and your point is ?

In my world, 534 billion is not an 8% increase over 513 billion, either.

809 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:08:30pm

re: #804 DEZes

Duda dudda dudada batsards.

Heh. I like that word batsard. I think I might keep it even though it was a typo.
:)

810 TheMatrix31  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:08:35pm
NEW YORK – The Fox network is sticking with its regular schedule over President Barack Obama this week.

The network is turning down the president's request to show his prime-time news conference on Wednesday. The news conference marks Obama's 100th day in office. Instead of the president, Fox viewers will see an episode of the Tim Roth drama "Lie to Me."

So basically, we'll be getting the press conference.

811 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:08:36pm

re: #759 DEZes

Thank you for the kind words.

812 Digital Display  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:08:41pm

re: #789 pingjockey

No shit! Life was much simpler. Goddamn technology!

I am such a hypocrite..I have a world edition Blackberry..Global Voice and enterprise email..
I want to be able to contact you..But you contacting me? Not so much..Well unless i want you to contact me..then what the hell took so long?
:)

813 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:08:43pm

re: #778 ArmyWife

Fox hunters are nuts. I say this as an Eventer. ;)

I will certainly pass this along, though!

* * * *
Thank you! They have a great equine vet as back up, who is also the Hunt Master.

My friend boards non-hunters mostly, but the farm is on land which has been traditional English fox hunt country since Colonial times.

The local hunt club traces its hounds back many generations, and it's a beautiful place to see the "opening hunt" in November where a pastor blesses the hounds and horses and the beauty of creation. Everyone is decked out in their hunt jackets, and the horses' grooming is spectacular.

They've never caught a fox in the 10 years I've gone to watch.

My favorite part is the elegant post-hunt brunch/buffet!

814 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:09:42pm

re: #800 avanti

In my world, going from 513 billion to 534 billion is a increase, and your point is ?

Even your post admitted Bush's Defense Budgets DID NOT INCLUDE THE WARS. Obama's and Gate's DO INCLUDE THE WAR. Do the math. There ain't no increase. You know it. I know it. And anyone past 2nd grade math knows it!

815 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:09:59pm

re: #800 avanti

In my world, going from 513 billion to 534 billion is a increase, and your point is ?

don't you like the Raptor?...why not?

816 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:10:07pm
817 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:10:14pm

re: #809 LGoPs

Heh. I like that word batsard. I think I might keep it even though it was a typo.
:)

Its like a slow moonbat. ;)

818 eon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:10:21pm

re: #806 LGoPs

Yeah. The media is really going after and distorting Obama's intentions.
There ain't a sarc tag big enough to fit into this comment box.

The biggest problems with distorting the one's intentions are;

1. figuring out what they are from one day- or maybe one minute- to the next; and

2. Wondering if even he knows what he intends to do.

/Oh, and of course, when I said "Jimmah", I meant Carter, not ours.

cheers

eon

819 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:10:21pm

re: #809 LGoPs

Heh. I like that word batsard. I think I might keep it even though it was a typo.
:)

It came up in the original honco thread too.

820 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:10:33pm

re: #785 LGoPs

She was responsible for keeping the President's morale up.......among other things.
/

* * * *
Because dereliction in the line of duty to fight Al Qaeda, was so demoralizing? Tough duty Monica "volunteered" to support our Commander in Chief.

821 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:10:34pm
822 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:10:47pm

re: #811 BatGuano

Thank you for the kind words.

You earned them and the updings.

823 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:10:58pm

re: #812 HoosierHoops
Heh. Ain't that the truth.

824 BatGuano  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:12:10pm

re: #768 ArmyWife

Charles has no problem with dissent (especially common dissent :). Key words are thoughtful, intelligent, sincere and respectful.

825 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:12:23pm

re: #806 LGoPs

Yeah. The media is really going after and distorting Obama's intentions.
There ain't a sarc tag big enough to fit into this comment box.

Actually, just mostly the right wing media because of Gates cuts of cold war weapons systems and increased spending for a bigger Army. They spun the story as defense cuts. when it's a increase overall.

826 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:13:01pm

re: #825 avanti

Actually, just mostly the right wing media because of Gates cuts of cold war weapons systems and increased spending for a bigger Army. They spun the story as defense cuts. when it's a increase overall.

That's bullshit and you know it

827 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:13:04pm

re: #793 Dr. Shalit

alegrias -

Damned sure it did. Former President Carter had a book too, as I recall the title was "WHY NOT THE BEST?."

-S-

* * ** *
That sounded real good at the time too!

Who knew Carter was such an jokester...

828 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:13:54pm

re: #825 avanti

Actually, just mostly the right wing media because of Gates cuts of cold war weapons systems and increased spending for a bigger Army. They spun the story as defense cuts. when it's a increase overall.

I think in your world anybody that's 2 inches to the right of Joe Stalin is right wing.

829 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:14:30pm

re: #825 avanti
Psst. The Russians are empire building and the Chinese are increasing the military across the board. The f-15 is almost 30. We just might need some of these weapons systems sooner than you think.

830 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:15:05pm

re: #828 LGoPs

I think in your world anybody that's 2 inches to the right of Joe Stalin is right wing.

Ask him what happens to his 8% increase when you add the costs of the Wars to Bush's defense Budgets?

831 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:15:17pm

re: #801 pingjockey

ping -

We DO need a Superiority Fighter. The operative question is "manned or unmanned." I could actually go with an "unmanned" unit. Y'Know, the one with a 23 year old gamer driving it. Thing is, this SILLY Administration wouldn't even do that. At least Jimmy Carter, when he canceled some airframe programs had enough sense to "Go For Stealth." Pres. Obama seems to prefer Go For ZERO - The Number, not the Mitsubishi Airframe.

-S-

832 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:15:29pm

re: #828 LGoPs

I think in your world anybody that's 2 inches to the right of Joe Stalin is right wing.

avanti is an unavowed commie...too dense to know it

833 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:15:29pm

re: #829 pingjockey

Psst. The Russians are empire building and the Chinese are increasing the military across the board. The f-15 is almost 30. We just might need some of these weapons systems sooner than you think.

Only if you happen to be on America's side.

834 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:15:39pm

re: #825 avanti

Actually, just mostly the right wing media because of Gates cuts of cold war weapons systems and increased spending for a bigger Army. They spun the story as defense cuts. when it's a increase overall.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste, dontcha know.

835 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:15:43pm

re: #814 Nevergiveup

Not true, the wars are a separate budget item for both budgets, it's a apples/apples comparision.

836 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:15:54pm

re: #825 avanti

Gates cuts of cold war weapons systems

Just to be clear: According to you, "cold war weapons systems" include:

-Air superiority fighters
-Missile defense

Correct?

837 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:15:55pm

re: #798 ArmyWife

She started out unpaid - then came the relationship with President Clinton, which magically opened up a paid internship opportunity. Once her presence became problematic to everyone (but Bill), she was exited to the Pentagon to keep her a** out of the oval office. The meltdown commenced shortly there after. Wouldn't it be interesting to speak with her now about this now that she's grown up.

* * * *
PS, you may already know this but Monica's taping confidante, Linda Tripp the Patriot in the Clinton Affair, owns a store of some sort in Virginia Horse Country, Middleburg.

838 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:16:15pm

re: #830 Nevergiveup

Ask him what happens to his 8% increase when you add the costs of the Wars to Bush's defense Budgets?

Like you said. he doesn't understand 2nd grade math.

839 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:16:23pm

re: #831 Dr. Shalit
Have they cancelled the R&D porogram for the uav fighter? Sheesh.

840 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:16:40pm

re: #835 avanti

Not true, the wars are a separate budget item for both budgets, it's a apples/apples comparision.

Sorry that is not true

841 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:16:52pm

re: #830 Nevergiveup

Ask him what happens to his 8% increase when you add the costs of the Wars to Bush's defense Budgets?

(And don't forget to factor in inflation... and carry the "1".)

842 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:17:12pm

re: #815 albusteve

don't you like the Raptor?...why not?

I don't know enough about the Raptor program to comment, so I'll defer to Gates.

843 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:17:27pm
844 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:17:34pm

re: #821 buzzsawmonkey

My husband was polishing off his bicycle and outfitting it with fanny packs to hold rubber bullets.

845 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:17:43pm

re: #808 OldLineTexan

In my world, 534 billion is not an 8% increase over 513 billion, either.

Shut up with your racist, "white man's math".

846 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:18:10pm

re: #841 Occasional Reader

(And don't forget to factor in inflation... and carry the "1".)

I'll give you the inflation, still a increase.

847 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:18:23pm

re: #841 Occasional Reader

(And don't forget to factor in inflation... and carry the "1".)

And anyway compare it Bush's Submitted Budget not the last budget.

848 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:18:28pm

re: #837 alegrias

I didn't know that. My obsession began and ended with Monica. I felt sorry for her.

849 albusteve  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:18:33pm

re: #842 avanti

I don't know enough about the Raptor program to comment, so I'll defer to Gates.

find your own opinion...forget people you read about in a magazine or TV polls

850 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:18:37pm

re: #845 Occasional Reader
Go piss up a rope! :)

851 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:18:41pm

re: #841 Occasional Reader

(And don't forget to factor in inflation... and carry the "1".)

#808

852 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:18:51pm

re: #843 buzzsawmonkey

This administration is going for "unmanned units" across the board; from the Oval Office on down.

This whole administration belongs in the Witless Protection Program.

853 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:19:06pm

re: #846 avanti

I'll give you the inflation, still a increase.

You'll forgive me if I don't consider something called "TalkingPointsMemo" to be an utterly fair, unbiased source. Dunno... something about that name... call it a sixth sense...

854 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:19:09pm
855 Nevergiveup  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:20:31pm

I got to go to sleep- later all

856 Occasional Reader  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:20:57pm

re: #854 buzzsawmonkey

The All-Terrain Segway

You laugh, eh?

857 DEZes  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:21:23pm

re: #855 Nevergiveup

I got to go to sleep- later all

Later, sleep well.

858 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:21:26pm

re: #848 ArmyWife

I didn't know that. My obsession began and ended with Monica. I felt sorry for her.

* * * *
Both women were horribly used & abused. Disposability was par for the course.

859 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:21:52pm

re: #854 buzzsawmonkey

The All-Terrain Segway will ensure the superior carbon footprint of our ground troops.

Thier primary job will be to issue tickets to our enemies. And if the enemy resists, our troops will wag their fingers disapprovingly and frown.
That'll show 'em.
/

860 ArmyWife  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:22:16pm

re: #854 buzzsawmonkey

I want to ride one. I wonder if I get rights - they never let me fly on the blackhawk, but this seems a bit different.

I would be allowed to ride the Armored Bike, but I can't reach the pedals.

861 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:22:25pm

re: #855 Nevergiveup

I got to go to sleep- later all

Hey. I thought you Nevergiveup?
:)

862 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:22:40pm

re: #853 Occasional Reader

You'll forgive me if I don't consider something called "TalkingPointsMemo" to be an utterly fair, unbiased source. Dunno... something about that name... call it a sixth sense...

The budget is the budget, you want another link ?

budget.

863 OldLineTexan  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:23:04pm

re: #856 Occasional Reader

You laugh, eh?

Good grief. Does it come in pink? Is there a spatula attached to it so you can wipe it off a Jeep grill?

864 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:23:04pm

I went and looked at TPM and I couldn't find out who is the editor or publisher.

865 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:23:15pm

re: #839 pingjockey

Have they cancelled the R&D porogram for the uav fighter? Sheesh.

ping -

Truthfully, I do NOT Know. My point is that even Pres. Carter knew that if/when you canceled a major weapons system, you better have something else, preferably better, in your "back pocket." I have seen NOTHING of the like in this Administration. If the "conclusion" you draw is "WORSE THAN CARTER" -
I believe you have a point. That is all.

-S-

866 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:23:56pm

re: #858 alegrias

* * * *
Both women were horribly used & abused. Disposability was par for the course.

And Clinton laughed all the way through it. With the full approval of the left.
Hypocritical Batsards. All of them

867 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:24:01pm

re: #856 Occasional Reader

You laugh, eh?

* * *
And it's GREEN CERTIFIED--just what our military needs to get around in the Hindu Kush, instead of camels. Plus double extra good, PETA would approve.

868 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:24:52pm
869 eon  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:24:59pm

re: #842 avanti

I don't know enough about the Raptor program to comment, so I'll defer to Gates.

Try this;

#653 eon

cheers

eon

870 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:25:40pm

re: #863 OldLineTexan

Good grief. Does it come in pink? Is there a spatula attached to it so you can wipe it off a Jeep grill?

* * * *
Before I was laid off, my office was right above a Segway dealership. They gave tours to groups.

It is NO JOKE to be nearly run over by a gaggle of Segways! Very threatening to jihadists on foot, I'm sure.

871 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:26:12pm

re: #865 Dr. Shalit
I agree totally. I'm just waiting for the axe to fall. I can remember sitting pierside doing drills best done at sea because we had no godamn money for fuel. That was Billy Jeff. My gut tells me obambi is gonna pay for all this social stuff on the backs of our troops by cutting stuff that will be needed.

872 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:26:31pm

re: #868 buzzsawmonkey

The image of a platoon advancing through some Middle Eastern hellhole on their Segways (maybe a little "Ride of the Valkyries" in the background) conjures up conflicting impulses to laugh or weep hysterically.

And they'll have to wear those stupid ass looking bicycle helmets......
/

873 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:26:44pm

re: #843 buzzsawmonkey

This administration is going for "unmanned units" across the board; from the Oval Office on down.

buzzsawmonkey -

Read, Understood, and Taken into Account. "Thanx"

-S-

874 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:27:35pm
875 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:28:28pm

re: #871 pingjockey

I agree totally. I'm just waiting for the axe to fall. I can remember sitting pierside doing drills best done at sea because we had no godamn money for fuel. That was Billy Jeff. My gut tells me obambi is gonna pay for all this social stuff on the backs of our troops by cutting stuff that will be needed.

It's what Democrats do. And then, when there's a Republican in office and our goddammed Segways aren't fully armored those same democrats will shreik like banshees about the evil republicans endangering our troops.
We never learn.

876 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:28:58pm

re: #874 buzzsawmonkey

Beat me by 7 seconds......
:)

877 alegrias  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:29:18pm

re: #874 buzzsawmonkey

But...but...weren't the Democrats savaging Bush because some of the vehicles in Iraq didn't have the proper armor? They'd never consider putting men at risk...would they?

* * * *
Captain Phillips had a life jacket, I think, to defend himself from maniacs with AK-47s.

878 avanti  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:30:05pm

re: #865 Dr. Shalit

ping -

Truthfully, I do NOT Know. My point is that even Pres. Carter knew that if/when you canceled a major weapons system, you better have something else, preferably better, in your "back pocket." I have seen NOTHING of the like in this Administration. If the "conclusion" you draw is "WORSE THAN CARTER" -
I believe you have a point. That is all.

-S-

Lots of new money for UAV's in the new budget if the Air Force does not fight their production.

879 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:30:23pm

re: #874 buzzsawmonkey

re: #875 LGoPs
GMTA!

880 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:30:33pm
881 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:32:14pm
882 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:32:35pm

re: #877 alegrias

alegrias -

I am OVERJOYED that Captain Phillips is Home, his Direct Captors "WITH ALLAH."
Not so happy about the Fourth one coming to the USA. Would they had dropped him in Nairobi at a minimum.

-S-

883 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:33:43pm

re: #881 taxfreekiller

taxfreekiler -

"...All Hail Obama - Full of POOP!..." Tha is all.

-S-

884 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:34:55pm

re: #880 taxfreekiller
Sharp as an obsidian knife you are.

885 LGoPs  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:35:24pm

re: #882 Dr. Shalit

alegrias -

I am OVERJOYED that Captain Phillips is Home, his Direct Captors "WITH ALLAH."
Not so happy about the Fourth one coming to the USA. Would they had dropped him in Nairobi at a minimum.

-S-

Should have dropped his ass in the ocean. And told the media he was in need of a lawyer and there seemed to be plenty of sharks around.
/ No offense to lizard lawyers.......

886 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:37:52pm
887 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:37:53pm

re: #885 LGoPs

Should have dropped his ass in the ocean. And told the media he was in need of a lawyer and there seemed to be plenty of sharks around.
/ No offense to lizard lawyers.......

LGoPs -

Like "DUH." And I am a Lizard "Recovering Lawyer." Put it this way, One Way or another, the fourth one would have never seen "Lady Liberty."

-S-

888 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:38:58pm

re: #887 Dr. Shalit

Reply to Self -

ADD - "On My Watch." That is all.

-S-

889 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:39:06pm

re: #886 Jimmah
Is that a standard kook site? Or a left/right kook site?

890 Cato the Elder  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:41:35pm

re: #521 gegenkritik

Some years ago, some minor changes were made to these laws, now ius soli also has a (very slight) basis there, but basically, it's still like you described it.

As I thought.

And thanks for jus soli, I keep getting it confused with jus natalis. Me, a very old Roman!

891 pingjockey  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:42:33pm

Later folks, going up thread.

892 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:48:02pm
893 unpaidbills  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 6:57:50pm

re: #892 eon

Alex Jones and his crazy followers are oddly silent regarding the 1917-18 flu pandemic, even for that matter the bubonic plague of the 1600s, the decimation of the Inca's and Native Americans due to exposure to the Europeans.
I guess the bilderberg's weren't around then to cause shadowy psuedo scientific mischief which is totally impossible to prove due to the evidence being held by a secret few who control the world?

894 Totally Berserk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 7:39:49pm
... that’s why, when I saw the so-called “anti-jihad” bloggers starting to hook up with European neofascist groups ...

I'm familiar with most of the arguments. However IMO it's over the top to say 'so-called' and put scare quotes around 'anti-jihad' -- pretty much stating outright that they are not truly anti-jihad, but that they just use it as an excuse to push a hidden agenda of xenophobia, neo-nazism, white supremacy, etc. I've never seen any white supremacy or racism at Jihad Watch, veiled or otherwise.

Is there something other than genuine that I have missed about Spencer's efforts to identify and educate about jihadis and their goals?

895 jaunte  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:07:14pm

re: #894 Totally Berserk

You've missed this: being careless about associating with racial supremacists will have a negative political effect on any 'anti-jihad' effort, by driving away the moderate majority. That is what has been happening with Spencer and his associations.

896 Sharmuta  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:07:33pm

re: #894 Totally Berserk

Are you blind?! There are at least two articles up at jw whitewashing the neo-nazi connections of the pro-koln party and their founders.

897 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:08:15pm

re: #894 Totally Berserk

I'm familiar with most of the arguments. However IMO it's over the top to say 'so-called' and put scare quotes around 'anti-jihad' -- pretty much stating outright that they are not truly anti-jihad, but that they just use it as an excuse to push a hidden agenda of xenophobia, neo-nazism, white supremacy, etc. I've never seen any white supremacy or racism at Jihad Watch, veiled or otherwise.

Is there something other than genuine that I have missed about Spencer's efforts to identify and educate about jihadis and their goals?

Yes, his lack of efforts to identify the groups he is hanging out with. I have posted this so many times, but I will do it again...

"Robert, can you answer one simple question for me. This would help a lot in deciding what is really going on here. Which European political parties do you UNCONDITIONALLY condemn because of their proven ties to racist nationalism?" (Walter L. Newton email to Robert Spencer sent on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:16 PM)

And his answer...

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

Spencer doesn't care what these groups preach and teach, as long as they are anti-jihad. IMHO.

898 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:14:36pm

Why is it that these idiots like Totally Berserk can come in here, make statement, and then they don't have the mental ability (or nerve) to follow up the comments.

Is this the kind of children that are going to protect us from the bad guys. Hell, they can't even type themselves out of an argument on a blog.

899 Totally Berserk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:24:58pm

What do y'all think of Geert Wilders? Just curious.

And the guilt-by-association thing -- I've now seen CAIR using this blog's comments to bolster their case, as if accusations of racism from Charles somehow clean up CAIR's dirty record and absolve them of any malice in their goals.

900 Totally Berserk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:25:53pm

re: #895 jaunte

You've missed this: being careless about associating with racial supremacists will have a negative political effect on any 'anti-jihad' effort, by driving away the moderate majority. That is what has been happening with Spencer and his associations.

That's a fair point. Thank you.

901 jaunte  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:27:38pm

re: #899 Totally Berserk

Make a distinction between associating with neo-nazis and pointing out a connection with neo-nazis. CAIR would make use of the association no matter who pointed it out, (and the sooner it's out, the better).

902 AndyMacOP  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 8:39:56pm

re: #897 Walter L. Newton

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer email answer to Walter L. Newton sent on Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

This is a satisfactory answer to a very large section of people who are profoundly afraid of Jihadist activity throughout the world. Opinions will differ, arguments will ensue, and creeping Islamification of the West continues.

Fighting fascism, corruption and tyranny is an absolute good, but lets face it, a broad section of citizens do not care one whit about Spencer, Geller, et al's alleged ties with these fascist groups. Just keep the Jihad out of my back yard is what is important to so many today.

903 Totally Berserk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:03:23pm

I have to chuckle at the irony, really -- there is another site I hang out at where LGF is dismissed as an extremist right-wing hate site. When I post stuff from here over there I catch all kinds of flack. The internet is bizarro-world sometimes.

904 jaunte  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:05:58pm

re: #903 Totally Berserk

No matter how easy it is to get around and talk to different people, most tend to hang together in familiar clusters. Internet tribalism!

905 Totally Berserk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:06:40pm

Dagnabit. I meant 'flak.' PIMF...

906 wiffersnapper  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:15:07pm

That was the only thing he could dig up? I think that shows how much he's reaching to try and even take a shot at you. You're doing a terrific job Charles.

907 Totally Berserk  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 9:17:24pm

Thanks again jaunte. I'm quite proud of my affiliation with LGF but I feel like I have been antagonizing the heavy hitters of late.

This is just so disorienting. I have read more than one of Spencer's books and thought he was a solid, reliable, staunch and courageous opponent of Jihad, one who sides admirably with freedom, and then to get caught up in all this, to have many of my assumptions called into question, it's -- well, I thank you for being so kind.

Really I still can't figure it out. I read his entire 'Blogging the Qu'ran' series -- we all read the Qu'ran together over there, with commentary from the historic sources of Islamic exegesis, and he was patient with me when I had persistent questions -- was it all a fraud?

My brain hurts.

908 Render  Mon, Apr 27, 2009 11:00:21pm

Avanti...

"Cold war weapon systems"

BFS. Stop lying. It's unbecoming of a retired sailor.

The F-22*, DDG-1000, LCS, Ford Class CVN, FCS, and BMD projects are all (or were) post Cold War. The Cold War ended in 1991.

The smoke and mirrors "defense budget increase" of the O admin is intended only as a cost-of-living increase. Authorizing more ground troops while cutting the weapons, logistics support systems, and air support they need is just plain stupid. Especially during a war.

The ending of the Cold War did not, nor could have ever, meant the end of all war.

(*first test flight 1990 - introduction into service 2005. Canceled just four years later - because we don't really need air superiority covering our ground troops, right Avanti? In fact, we don't even need ground troops anymore because HopelessChangless means an end to all war, right Avanti?)

===

Charles: I'm still here.

LAST
STANDER,
R

909 Øyvind Strømmen  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 3:15:08am

Good post, Charles, but I have to point out that Vlaams Blok never were banned; although party members and supporters in Belgium and abroad often claim so. They (or rather three "under-organisations", specifically De Vlaamse Concentratie, De Nationalistische Omroepsstiching and Het Nationaal Vormingsinstitutt) were convicted of racism.

The party then chose to disband itself, and to create a new party which in fact was exactly the same party.

910 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:22:50am
911 Salamantis  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:56:28am

re: #910 phitoness

It appears that CAIR trolls have completely taken over this site.

It more than appears that you are either malevolent, ignorant, dense, or some combination of these three.

912 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 28, 2009 8:56:57am

re: #910 phitoness

phitoness
Registered since: Aug 11, 2007 at 9:41 am
No. of comments posted: 12
No. of links posted: 0

Bye now! Take care.

913 Render  Wed, Apr 29, 2009 6:55:03am

re: #912 Charles

Phitoness currently doesn't have any friends on eHarmony Advice.

HEH,
R


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