No Extremists at the Tea Party?
Another dozen pictures, “cherry-picked” out of thousands of similar photos all over the web.
Another dozen pictures, “cherry-picked” out of thousands of similar photos all over the web.
1 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:53:44pm |
The fluoride guy gets an lol from me. I hadn't seen him before.
2 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:54:00pm |
Fluoride in the water is a communist plot. I need a few minutes to ponder that one.
3 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:54:30pm |
If your neighbor showed up and said "I came unarmed, this time."
You would take it as a threat?*
*Note: We are gun owners. These signs are repellant.
4 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:54:51pm |
re: #2 Mich-again
Fluoride in the water is a communist plot. I need a few minutes to ponder that one.
Real Americans have soft teeth.//
5 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:54:56pm |
re: #2 Mich-again
Fluoride in the water is a communist plot. I need a few minutes to ponder that one.
Birch society. He's old enough to be one of the original members back in the heyday.
6 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:56:28pm |
Can somebody let me in on the 80-90 percent plot? Even the Bubonic plague only managed a third.
8 | HelloDare Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:56:46pm |
-- FBI agents arrest Najibullah Zazi, a Colorado resident recently questioned about an alleged U.S. terror plot.
10 | jaunte Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:57:26pm |
re: #2 Mich-again
He does have his lips pressed together protectively.
11 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:57:39pm |
re: #2 Mich-again
Fluoride in the water is a communist plot. I need a few minutes to ponder that one.
According to Wiki:
Water fluoridation's goal is to prevent a chronic disease whose burdens particularly fall on children and on the poor.[17] Its use presents a conflict between the common good and individual rights.[18] It is controversial,[19] and opposition to it has been based on ethical, legal, safety, and efficacy grounds.[20] Health and dental organizations worldwide have endorsed its safety and effectiveness.[3] Its use began in the 1940s, following studies of children in a region where higher levels of fluoride occur naturally in the water. Researchers discovered that moderate fluoridation prevents cavities,[21] and it is now used by 5.7% of people worldwide.[19]
/Those commies planned way ahead.
12 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:58:22pm |
I got your "trigger" right here.
Note to the nuts.. When you use code, the scare quotes are not necessary. We all know what you really wanted to say.
13 | Ojoe Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:58:25pm |
re: #3 EmmmieG
Those "unarmed this time" signs are WAY out of line.
Even in boy scouts they tell you not to go around saying you have a rifle at home.
14 | jaunte Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:58:39pm |
re: #6 EmmmieG
I think that's supposed to be the effect of talking to John Holdren.
15 | wee fury Sat, Sep 19, 2009 8:58:57pm |
The child holding the Montana Roadkill sign disturbs me the most.
16 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:00:18pm |
The last picture... C'est Manifique
"Fluoridation Mandrake!"
17 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:00:29pm |
Fluoride guy needs to mix in a salad once in a while.
18 | Etaoin Shrdlu Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:00:39pm |
It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
19 | Danny Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:00:53pm |
re: #15 wee fury
The child holding the Montana Roadkill sign disturbs me the most.
What does it mean? I don't grok it.
20 | lostlakehiker Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:01:15pm |
Nuts, nuts, nuts, nuts, nuts, nuts, nuts, nuts, nuts, nuts, uncharitable and crude, nuts.
Can't anybody put together a sign arguing that health care "reform" will end up causing long waits for treatment and lower quality of recruits to the profession or something? That taxing soda, then ice cream, then butter, meat, bread, and potatoes [they can, after all, be fixed up into french fries] is an attack on middleweight america and not just a statist cure for obesity?
There is so much that could be said, but what is said is unhinged.
22 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:01:28pm |
Had I gone to an event like this and seen what I've seen in recent days I would have turned around and left.
23 | jaunte Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:01:41pm |
re: #18 Etaoin Shrdlu
The only solution is to deny them your essence.
24 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:01:42pm |
Someone was saying earlier these protests were about policy...
Funny- I don't see much about policy on these signs.
25 | Danny Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:02:02pm |
re: #21 wee fury
Really. Is it supposed to show "deer in the headlight" dumbness on thier faces?
28 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:03:29pm |
re: #24 Sharmuta
Someone was saying earlier these protests were about policy...
Funny- I don't see much about policy on these signs.
Mentioned in previous interview with Tanenhaus.
This is a new one for me.
29 | wee fury Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:03:30pm |
Roadkill -- an animal that has been hit and killed by your automobile.
30 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:03:35pm |
re: #13 Ojoe
Those "unarmed this time" signs are WAY out of line.
Even in boy scouts they tell you not to go around saying you have a rifle at home.
"Even" in boy scouts...?
31 | jaunte Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:03:50pm |
re: #27 Sharmuta
I think the sarc tag would have spoiled the effect on that one.
32 | Ben G. Hazi Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:04:00pm |
33 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:04:22pm |
To be fair. I know a couple people who went to DC and both said most of the signs were not like these. They said you had to go out of your way to seek them out. However, I wasn't there so I cannot confirm that.
35 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:05:01pm |
Charles,
Zombie is the go-to guy for photos of San Francisco proggo-freaks. Is there a similar single source you're using for these pix, or are they harvested from all over? Thanks.
36 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:05:02pm |
re: #28 Gus 802
Mentioned in previous interview with Tanenhaus.
This is a new one for me.
Yes, I'm still digesting that concept as well.
37 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:05:17pm |
re: #27 Sharmuta
Did you forget your sarc tag?
I'd say he probably did. His words were too close to Gen. Ripper's lines for him to mean it.
38 | John Neverbend Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:05:33pm |
re: #1 Killgore Trout
The fluoride guy gets an lol from me. I hadn't seen him before.
And I thought he shot himself at Burpelson Air Force Base.
39 | Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:05:43pm |
re: #33 NJDhockeyfan
To be fair. I know a couple people who went to DC and both said most of the signs were not like these. They said you had to go out of your way to seek them out. However, I wasn't there so I cannot confirm that.
How many hundreds of photos do I have to post before this talking point dies?
There are LOTS more.
40 | jaunte Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:05:49pm |
re: #35 The Sanity Inspector
You can find a lot of them at Flickr, just by searching "912 protests."
41 | Ojoe Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:06:13pm |
re: #30 The Sanity Inspector
In the sense that you should learn that on at about 12 years old.
42 | Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:06:21pm |
re: #35 The Sanity Inspector
Charles,
Zombie is the go-to guy for photos of San Francisco proggo-freaks. Is there a similar single source you're using for these pix, or are they harvested from all over? Thanks.
Most of them are from Flickr, where there are thousands just like them.
43 | MandyManners Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:06:31pm |
"BARNEY FRANK IS AN IMMORAL SEXUAL DEVIANT"
Is there such a thing as a moral, sexual deviant?
44 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:06:58pm |
46 | Cato the Elder Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:07:06pm |
I call bad colon usage on Yellow T-Shirt Guy.
Hnnh-nnh-nnh-nnh. I said "colon".
47 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:07:11pm |
48 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:07:51pm |
Was the Smallpox guy some kind of anti-vaxer?
49 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:09:00pm |
re: #1 Killgore Trout
The fluoride guy gets an lol from me. I hadn't seen him before.
You wanna know what I think? I think he's some kind of deviated prevert.
//
50 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:09:04pm |
re: #39 Charles
How many hundreds of photos do I have to post before this talking point dies?
There are LOTS more.
That's just what I was told. Both people are friends of mine and in no way are they extremists.
51 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:09:14pm |
re: #35 The Sanity Inspector
Charles,
Zombie is the go-to guy for photos of San Francisco proggo-freaks. Is there a similar single source you're using for these pix, or are they harvested from all over? Thanks.
Zombie is the source for cherrypicked photos of Code Pink people in Sf or Berkeley at antiwar protests.
These photos are widely available in the flickr streams of anyone who attended the event, and demonstrate that these photos are NOT cherrypicked or misrepresentative of the event. Google is your friend.
52 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:09:34pm |
re: #48 Mich-again
Was the Smallpox guy some kind of anti-vaxer?
I think so. Either that or an X-Files-esque conspiracy kook who thinks that the vaccine was masking something else.
53 | Cato the Elder Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:09:43pm |
I love the fluoride guy. You can sorta tell there's something awry with his precious bodily fluids.
54 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:09:50pm |
re: #35 The Sanity Inspector
I couple of lefties have done some cute videos but most of the pics come from the Tea Party folks themselves.
Here's Blumenthal's video which I find pretty funny...
The Unauthorized 9.12 Teabagger Tour
55 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:09:54pm |
56 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:10:10pm |
re: #48 Mich-again
Was the Smallpox guy some kind of anti-vaxer?
More likely a birther. America used the smallpox vaccine up through 1969. (Hence, my sister has the scar, and I don't.)
57 | Danny Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:10:11pm |
58 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:10:30pm |
re: #53 Cato the Elder
You can sorta tell there's something awry with his precious bodily fluids.
Rusty load syndrome?
59 | BryanS Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:10:47pm |
re: #43 MandyManners
"BARNEY FRANK IS AN IMMORAL SEXUAL DEVIANT"
Is there such a thing as a moral, sexual deviant?
They are called teabaggers...
60 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:10:49pm |
re: #48 Mich-again
Was the Smallpox guy some kind of anti-vaxer?
I was thinking the same thing.
Here is the fluoride song.
61 | John Neverbend Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:10:53pm |
re: #53 Cato the Elder
I love the fluoride guy. You can sorta tell there's something awry with his precious bodily fluids.
He's been denying women his essence for too long.
62 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:11:02pm |
re: #51 iceweasel
Zombie is the source for cherrypicked photos of Code Pink people in Sf or Berkeley at antiwar protests.
These photos are widely available in the flickr streams of anyone who attended the event, and demonstrate that these photos are NOT cherrypicked or misrepresentative of the event. Google is your friend.
In what way are Zombie's photos cherrypicked?
63 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:11:53pm |
re: #56 EmmmieG
More likely a birther. America used the smallpox vaccine up through 1969. (Hence, my sister has the scar, and I don't.)
Thats probably it right there. But I don't have that scar and I was born in '64.
64 | revobob Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:12:03pm |
re: #52 ArchangelMichael
I think so. Either that or an X-Files-esque conspiracy kook who thinks that the vaccine was masking something else.
Actually he may have been asking if Obama had received the nearly universal (in the USA) childhood vaccination that leaves a distinctive scar- probably as a way of impugning Obama's "Americaness" Just my guess.
65 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:12:14pm |
re: #61 John Neverbend
He's been denying women his essence for too long.
Sane women would not want his essence. Ice, Sharm, and Mandy would kick him in the balls if he offered it to them.
66 | Cato the Elder Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:12:31pm |
"Pennsylvanians are armed and ready..."
I pulled an Obama headshot target off the 100-yard backstop of a Pennsy rifle range last week. Still have it.
A friend thinks I ought to turn it over to the Secret Service. I figured there's no point. What're they gonna do, after a week, with a crumpled paper target?
Maybe he's right, though. What do you guys think?
67 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:12:49pm |
re: #63 Mich-again
Thats probably it right there. But I don't have that scar and I was born in '64.
How'd you get around it?
68 | McSpiff Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:13:51pm |
re: #66 Cato the Elder
If for any reason your property was entered or searched by law enforcement, would you mind if they found it? That would be my only concern.
69 | Danny Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:14:16pm |
re: #66 Cato the Elder
I don't think anything would happen either way. Just someone having fun.
70 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:14:25pm |
re: #66 Cato the Elder
"Pennsylvanians are armed and ready..."
I pulled an Obama headshot target off the 100-yard backstop of a Pennsy rifle range last week. Still have it.
A friend thinks I ought to turn it over to the Secret Service. I figured there's no point. What're they gonna do, after a week, with a crumpled paper target?
Maybe he's right, though. What do you guys think?
Either turn it in or get rid of it. You don't want to have to explain that one if you should get caught with it.
71 | Enkidu90046 Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:15:25pm |
re: #1 Killgore Trout
The fluoride guy gets an lol from me. I hadn't seen him before.
I have a sneaking suspicion that guy must have been like the "Israel Broke My Arm" guy. Maybe he is a fan of "Dr. Strangelove."
72 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:17:30pm |
re: #52 ArchangelMichael
I think so. Either that or an X-Files-esque conspiracy kook who thinks that the vaccine was masking something else.
re: #48 Mich-again
Believe it or not, I think the smallpox sign might refer to this Obama conspiracy theory:
Photographic Evidence That Barack Obama is a Human/Reptile Hybrid
You'll notice that your attention is initially drawn to the entity with the white "headband" bleeding through on the right side of the picture seen on the wall and to the right of Obama. You'll also notice that the marks on Obama's knees, which in the smaller black and white photo look like ordinary scrap marks typical of a kid of his age, now stand out more clearly and they somehow look "odd".
With the color added, you also notice the strange bumpiness of his hands that stand out more sharply. When I enlarge and crop these areas in the photos seen below, you will see very distinct images of etheric entities: some alien-looking, some human-like, and and others animal-like. The "bumpiness" of his hands, when enlarged, reveal the tell-tale reptilian feature of scale-like appearance to the skin. And within that scaly skin appearance are images of reptilian entities. I first discovered these etheric bleed-through images when I was working on a photo of George Bush Sr., another human/reptilian hybrid masquerading as a human being, standing on the deck of a US aircraft carrier on September 1, 1944 posing with two other Navy airmen.
73 | Enkidu90046 Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:18:09pm |
re: #38 John Neverbend
And I thought he shot himself at Burpelson Air Force Base.
WE CANNOT ALLOW OURSELVES TO HAVE A MINE SHAFT GAP!!!
74 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:18:12pm |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
Anyone want to venture a guess about if the chick at the beginning of that video is a moonie? I'm just staring to learn this stuff.
77 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:19:09pm |
78 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:19:10pm |
re: #1 Killgore Trout
The fluoride guy gets an lol from me. I hadn't seen him before.
You've got to hand it to him - he spelled it correctly.
79 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:19:14pm |
re: #67 EmmmieG
How'd you get around it?
Oh I remember getting all the shots. The folks were most certainly not anti-vaxers by any stretch. Not sure why I don't have the scar on the shoulder like my older sisters do.
I do remember getting a high tech no needle swine flu vaccine when Gerald Ford was president. It was supposed to be easier on kids because there was no needle, just a high pressure blast of vaccine into the arm. It hurt way worse than any old fashioned needle shot ever did.
81 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:19:39pm |
re: #66 Cato the Elder
"Pennsylvanians are armed and ready..."
I pulled an Obama headshot target off the 100-yard backstop of a Pennsy rifle range last week. Still have it.
A friend thinks I ought to turn it over to the Secret Service. I figured there's no point. What're they gonna do, after a week, with a crumpled paper target?
Maybe he's right, though. What do you guys think?
Turn it in. Maybe that will at least make the owners of the range think twice before allowing people to do that shit.
FWIW, I'd have said the same thing if it had been Bush.
82 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:19:56pm |
Don't you guys get it. Much like Coulter's (and many other right wing pundit's) supposedly outrageous comments, this is all satire. They were joking, they didn't really mean any of that literally.
It's satire.
///apologist
83 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:20:32pm |
re: #72 iceweasel
LOL. Didn't you mention a kook rumor about Obama having a vestigial tail in childhood? Next there will be people holding up signs asking for a blood test to find out if he has O negative blood.
84 | Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:20:45pm |
Wow. There's an amazing amount of hatred for me all over the right wing blogs. Just Googled my name. Why they wanna do me like that?
85 | MandyManners Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:20:50pm |
What kind of an asshole would put such a sign into a child's hands?
86 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:20:59pm |
88 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:21:17pm |
re: #72 iceweasel
OMG - his skin is covered in jpeg artifacts! Get Mulder and Scully on this!
89 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:22:19pm |
re: #84 Charles
Wow. There's an amazing amount of hatred for me all over the right wing blogs. Just Googled my name. Why they wanna do me like that?
Keeps them from examining their own shortcomings and dealing with actual important issues in a positive way.
90 | Enkidu90046 Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:22:29pm |
91 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:22:57pm |
re: #84 Charles
Wow. There's an amazing amount of hatred for me all over the right wing blogs. Just Googled my name. Why they wanna do me like that?
If you weren't getting under their skin they'd be ignoring it.
That and they need an unfaithful monkey to stone.
92 | Cato the Elder Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:23:00pm |
re: #81 iceweasel
Turn it in. Maybe that will at least make the owners of the range think twice before allowing people to do that shit.
FWIW, I'd have said the same thing if it had been Bush.
I would if it weren't an unsupervised public range. Seems kinda pointless as it is.
93 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:23:06pm |
re: #66 Cato the Elder
What do you guys think?
1) Cops usually get along just fine with the people who own the gun range in town.
2) No good deed goes unpunished.
I'd toss it. Taking that to the police won't do you any good. Keeping it around won't do you any good either. But I applaud you for taking it down.
96 | acwgusa Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:24:17pm |
Good Lord. We're never going to win an election again. It'll be Democrats forever.
97 | Danny Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:24:31pm |
re: #85 MandyManners
What kind of an asshole would put such a sign into a child's hands?
You talking the roadkill sign? I must be slow, but I still don't understand that one.
99 | transient Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:24:47pm |
re: #11 NJDhockeyfan
/Those commies planned way ahead.
The fluoridation scheme is obviously an insidious plot to eliminate the bourgeois middle class, first by putting dentists out of business.
/
100 | wee fury Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:25:03pm |
re: #34 Danny
Sorry I'm late in responding. Had a phone call. It means what my #29 says (to me). And, a little kid is holding the sign. Bad.
101 | What, me worry? Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:25:19pm |
More afraid of Obama than Al-Queda? Now there's a switch.
102 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:25:23pm |
re: #96 acwgusa
Good Lord. We're never going to win an election again. It'll be Democrats forever.
Politics are like a lava lamp.
103 | Ojoe Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:25:58pm |
104 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:26:08pm |
re: #96 acwgusa
Good Lord. We're never going to win an election again. It'll be Democrats forever.
I doubt that. Both parties are sinking in the polls. I foresee a growing number of Independents being elected in upcoming elections.
107 | acwgusa Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:26:57pm |
re: #102 Mich-again
Politics are like a lava lamp.
Cone-shaped. and full of unknown crap?
Or full of light and fury, signifying nothing?
109 | Coracle Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:27:41pm |
re: #107 acwgusa
Cone-shaped. and full of unknown crap?
Or full of light and fury, signifying nothing?
No - Gloopy.
110 | acwgusa Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:27:45pm |
re: #104 NJDhockeyfan
I doubt that. Both parties are sinking in the polls. I foresee a growing number of Independents being elected in upcoming elections.
Yes, but Republicans seem to have a headlock on crazy at the moment.
111 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:27:53pm |
re: #107 acwgusa
No. Just the same stuff heating up and floating to the top, and then cooling off and sinking back down.
112 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:28:15pm |
re: #84 Charles
Wow. There's an amazing amount of hatred for me all over the right wing blogs. Just Googled my name. Why they wanna do me like that?
They're confused. 9/11 made foxhole brothers out of a lot of bloggers. Like you said in an earlier comment (which you might consider enlarging into a post), a lot of people assumed that your high profile role in beating back The Jihad and exposing journalistic dishonesty meant that you were a conservative across the board.
113 | transient Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:28:32pm |
re: #107 acwgusa
Cone-shaped. and full of unknown crap?
Or full of light and fury, signifying nothing?
It's a tale told by an idiot (hundreds of them), for sure.
114 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:28:35pm |
115 | acwgusa Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:28:41pm |
re: #111 Mich-again
No. Just the same stuff heating up and floating to the top, and then cooling off and sinking back down.
Great, so bullshit floats.
116 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:28:58pm |
re: #84 Charles
I'm feeling the hate pretty good myself. There's a lot of it to go around.
117 | gulfloafer Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:29:45pm |
Wait a minute. So you're saying flouride in the drinking water isn't a communist plot?
118 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:29:45pm |
re: #110 acwgusa
Yes, but Republicans seem to have a headlock on crazy at the moment.
They are trying to catch up with the Democrats. LOL
119 | Cato the Elder Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:29:47pm |
re: #93 Mich-again
1) Cops usually get along just fine with the people who own the gun range in town.
2) No good deed goes unpunished.I'd toss it. Taking that to the police won't do you any good. Keeping it around won't do you any good either. But I applaud you for taking it down.
They weren't happy, I guess. But I'm a big fat white guy, and I was as armed as they were.
It's an unsupervised public range, and it's been a week. I think my friend is overreacting and the Sec. Serv. guys would consider it a waste of time. I'm tossing it.
120 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:29:48pm |
121 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:30:10pm |
122 | transient Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:30:17pm |
re: #84 Charles
Wow. There's an amazing amount of hatred for me all over the right wing blogs. Just Googled my name. Why they wanna do me like that?
They can't handle the truth?
123 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:30:46pm |
re: #43 MandyManners
How was the auction?
124 | acwgusa Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:31:06pm |
125 | Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:31:08pm |
re: #116 Killgore Trout
I'm feeling the hate pretty good myself. There's a lot of it to go around.
Ace took a little slap at you today. They're all repeating the lie that I was behind your stunt at Hot Air -- and neither Allahpundit nor Ed Morrissey are saying anything to correct the record, even though I emailed them and told them.
Backstabbers? We got 'em!
126 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:31:08pm |
OT - I coned my wife today.
She says I give good cone.
OK - it is a method for removing built up ear wax. I think it is bullshit but she says she can now hear better as a result.
127 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:31:23pm |
re: #114 Dark_Falcon
Do you plan to see the remake when it premiers?
Oh, i didn't know there would be one! When?
I might not. I usually don't like remakes and I love the original.
128 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:31:33pm |
re: #97 Danny
You talking the roadkill sign? I must be slow, but I still don't understand that one.
It's easy. If any of those people in those pics were to be found crossing the street in the sign creator's area of Montana, that person would go out of their way to run them over. Roadkill.
129 | BryanS Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:31:36pm |
re: #110 acwgusa
Yes, but Republicans seem to have a headlock on crazy at the moment.
You haven't been listening to any Dems lately? How about Pelosi's recent tear jerker press conference where she insinuates the right might assassinate someone? Pelosi is a pretty shameful and crazy leftist if you ask me--and she's the House Speaker!
130 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:31:38pm |
David Bowie - Loving the Alien
131 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:32:18pm |
re: #84 Charles
Wow. There's an amazing amount of hatred for me all over the right wing blogs. Just Googled my name. Why they wanna do me like that?
Too many people treat politics like sports and think you are supposed to root for your team and boo the other team.
132 | acwgusa Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:32:25pm |
re: #126 karmic_inquisitor
OT - I coned my wife today.
She says I give good cone.
OK - it is a method for removing built up ear wax. I think it is bullshit but she says she can now hear better as a result.
So you're the Great Earconeholio?
Do you need q-tip for your earhole?
/ack! Beavis and Butthead!
133 | What, me worry? Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:33:07pm |
I went to a garden party to reminisce with my old friends
A chance to share old memories, play old songs again
When I got to the garden party, they all knew my name
No one recognized me, I didn't look the same
But it's all right now, I learned my lesson well.
You see, ya can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself.
134 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:33:33pm |
re: #84 Charles
They've obviously never heard, or never understood, the phrase "Don't hate the player, hate the game".
They are "losing their shit", and are hating on you for not following suit.
135 | Enkidu90046 Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:33:43pm |
re: #117 gulfloafer
Wait a minute. So you're saying flouride in the drinking water isn't a communist plot?
Your Commie has no regard for human life, not even of his own.
136 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:33:44pm |
Breaking on FNC: Najibullah Zazi & his father have been taken into custody in Denver.
137 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:34:07pm |
re: #125 Charles
It's a miracle that I pulled off that very stupid stunt without them being able to make me look like a complete douche. The claims of you orchestrating it are completely stupid. There are still people claiming that we are the same person but that rumor seems to be fading.
138 | Danny Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:34:18pm |
re: #128 Slumbering Behemoth
It's easy. If any of those people in those pics were to be found crossing the street in the sign creator's area of Montana, that person would go out of their way to run them over. Roadkill.
Well, OK then. I guess the kangaroo or whatever that animal is on the left is throwing me off or something.
139 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:34:30pm |
re: #126 karmic_inquisitor
OT - I coned my wife today.
She says I give good cone.
OK - it is a method for removing built up ear wax. I think it is bullshit but she says she can now hear better as a result.
Wouldn't careful use of a Q-Tip be just as effective?
140 | swamprat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:34:32pm |
re: #136 NJDhockeyfan
Breaking on FNC: Najibullah Zazi & his father have been taken into custody in Denver.
More please.
142 | BryanS Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:34:54pm |
re: #137 Killgore Trout
It's a miracle that I pulled off that very stupid stunt without them being able to make me look like a complete douche. The claims of you orchestrating it are completely stupid. There are still people claiming that we are the same person but that rumor seems to be fading.
What stunt?
143 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:34:56pm |
re: #136 NJDhockeyfan
Interesting. That's a very strange case.
144 | Enkidu90046 Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:34:59pm |
145 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:35:06pm |
re: #116 Killgore Trout
{{KT}}
Hang in there.
Flack is the heaviest, when you're right over the target!
146 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:35:52pm |
re: #139 ArchangelMichael
Wouldn't careful use of a Q-Tip be just as effective?
No way. Careful use of a Q- tip would avoid the ear canal altogether.
148 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:36:50pm |
re: #139 ArchangelMichael
Wouldn't careful use of a Q-Tip be just as effective?
They have a machine to wash it out. They had to use one on my son after he flunked a hearing test for ear wax blockage.
(A certain percentage of being a Mom is really, really gross.)
149 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:36:59pm |
re: #139 ArchangelMichael
Wouldn't careful use of a Q-Tip be just as effective?
The theory is that the smoke melts and wicks the wax out of your ear.
As for q tips, they often end up compacting a glob of earwax up against your eardrum over the years. That is something I have tried to deal with - i have wax buildup and the wax removal washes don't seem to break it down.
150 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:37:11pm |
re: #142 BryanS
I did some stupid stuff and got Hot Air to change its policy on racial epithets. It's still debatable if my actions were honorable. There's also a snarky rumor about me spray painting someone's car. Entertaining but false.
151 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:38:11pm |
re: #143 Killgore Trout
Interesting. That's a very strange case.
Here is more:
Zazi, father taken into custody
An Aurora man and his father were led away from an Aurora apartment in handcuffs tonight, the latest chapter in an ongoing federal terrorism investigation.
After three straight days of lengthy interviews with FBI counterterrorism agents, Najibullah Zazi had abruptly broken off talks Saturday.
Zazi and his attorney, Art Folsom, canceled a planned morning meeting with agents for more questioning, and a spokeswoman for Folsom said no new meetings are planned.
152 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:38:16pm |
153 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:38:16pm |
re: #146 Mich-again
No way. Careful use of a Q- tip would avoid the ear canal altogether.
yeah. can perforate your ear drum. So can an ear candle I am told.
154 | Pingemi Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:39:10pm |
I'll ask the question I asked before If I stipulate the 75K figure you have given as correct then how many crazy people are enough to paint the entire crowd as nuts? 10% 5%?
155 | Cato the Elder Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:39:27pm |
re: #149 karmic_inquisitor
The theory is that the smoke melts and wicks the wax out of your ear.
As for q tips, they often end up compacting a glob of earwax up against your eardrum over the years. That is something I have tried to deal with - i have wax buildup and the wax removal washes don't seem to break it down.
But the ear candles are pure, unadulterated bullshit. Google it.
157 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:39:36pm |
It wasn't stupid, Killgore. It was an extreme tactic, but not stupid.
I doubt anything else would have gotten through to them.
158 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:39:50pm |
re: #138 Danny
Well, OK then. I guess the kangaroo or whatever that animal is on the left is throwing me off or something.
Lizard Danny, that thar be a donkey, the symbol of the democrats.
Basically, the sign creator is declaring his/her own personal "open season" on a political class of Americans.
159 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:40:02pm |
re: #145 Floral Giraffe
I don't want to be over the target. Over the target is not the place to be.
Over
160 | BryanS Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:40:30pm |
re: #150 Killgore Trout
I did some stupid stuff and got Hot Air to change its policy on racial epithets. It's still debatable if my actions were honorable. There's also a snarky rumor about me spray painting someone's car. Entertaining but false.
Spray painting cars too, eh :?) That does sound entertaining.
161 | sngnsgt Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:40:45pm |
re: #126 karmic_inquisitor
OT - I coned my wife today.
She says I give good cone.
OK - it is a method for removing built up ear wax. I think it is bullshit but she says she can now hear better as a result.
It's not BS, ear wax can lead to Tinnitus. I have Epilepsy and Tinnitus has not been ruled out as a contributing factor to my Epilepsy.
162 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:40:59pm |
re: #137 Killgore Trout
It's a miracle that I pulled off that very stupid stunt without them being able to make me look like a complete douche.
Listen to Shakespeare.
163 | swamprat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:41:09pm |
re: #153 karmic_inquisitor
You have never seen ear candling. It cannot "perforate" anything that I can tell. Whether it works is another topic.
164 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:42:35pm |
re: #137 Killgore Trout
What good is it to demonize you, a lone commenter, when they can use the occasion to demonize a larger target and condemn an entire philosophical/political mind-set?
165 | Pingemi Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:42:46pm |
re: #163 swamprat
my wife's family does that but I've never seen it myself
166 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:43:49pm |
re: #154 Pingemi
then how many crazy people are enough to paint the entire crowd as nuts? 10% 5%?
I'm not concerned so much about the crazy people in the crowd. Every crowd everywhere has some crazy people in it. What bothers me more are the organizers who don't seem to mind one bit if the crazies show up en masse and share the stage with them.
167 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:44:16pm |
re: #157 Sharmuta
I doubt anything else would have gotten through to them.
That's probably right but I probably should have let it go. I was very lucky that they couldn't find a way to spin it back on me or Charles. It was luck and nothing else. It was a very reckless thing to do.
168 | Cato the Elder Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:44:30pm |
169 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:44:35pm |
re: #155 Cato the Elder
But the ear candles are pure, unadulterated bullshit. Google it.
Yeah - I hear you.
My only trepidation is that my wife is a mechanical engineer with a keen sense of bullshit detection. The gal who does her eyebrows told her about it.
Anyway, she got these two was cones from an outfit in Sedona (!) and presented them to me this morning and instructed me on how to cone her, which I did.
There were two colors of wax that ended up melted in the interior of the cone - white (the color of the cone) and a dark orange / brown which is supposed to be the wax that was wicked out of the ear.
170 | Enkidu90046 Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:45:33pm |
OT:
So today, after the Washington Huskies upset the USC Trojans, I went out to pick up some dog food and ice cream wearing my Washington Huskies gear. I ran into a lot of UCLA fans who were ecstatic about the Huskies' win and congratulated me on "my" win.
171 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:45:39pm |
re: #154 Pingemi
I'll ask the question I asked before If I stipulate the 75K figure you have given as correct then how many crazy people are enough to paint the entire crowd as nuts? 10% 5%?
It ain't just the crowd, Lizard, it is the organizers and guest speakers themselves that are Bircher/Paulbot nutbars.
172 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:46:43pm |
re: #163 swamprat
You have never seen ear candling. It cannot "perforate" anything that I can tell. Whether it works is another topic.
I actually "coned" my wife this morning. Had I shoved those puppies in there they could have perforated her eardrum I suppose. That is one of the reasons they are banned in Canada according to what I have subsequently read.
173 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:46:55pm |
re: #171 Slumbering Behemoth
It ain't just the crowd, Lizard, it is the organizers and guest speakers themselves that are Bircher/Paulbot nutbars.
Nuttier than a Payday bar.
174 | funky chicken Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:47:42pm |
re: #1 Killgore Trout
The fluoride guy gets an lol from me. I hadn't seen him before.
Fluoride is kinda like vaccinations in that lefty nuts think it's a gvmt plot to make us all get cancer and righty nuts think it's, well, a commie plot to, well, I'm not sure.
My professors used to make fun of the fluoride nuts all the time back in the day. They've been around a long, long time.
175 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:48:32pm |
re: #174 funky chicken
Fluoride is kinda like vaccinations in that lefty nuts think it's a gvmt plot to make us all get cancer and righty nuts think it's, well, a commie plot to, well, I'm not sure.
My professors used to make fun of the fluoride nuts all the time back in the day. They've been around a long, long time.
A very long time.
176 | gulfloafer Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:48:38pm |
re: #170 Enkidu90046
Not my team but I always like to see the underdogs pull one out.
177 | Danny Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:49:03pm |
178 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:49:06pm |
re: #156 Gus 802
Apparently that person has not seen this video.
Of course, plant's do consume CO2, but there is a limit.
We breath Oxygen. O2, good breathing. O3, dead meat.
179 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:49:38pm |
Here's another couple nasty TP photos:
A stupid variation on the Nirther theme
This last one is just as a contrast. While this photo is from the Tea Party, I include it here as proof that you can be skeptical of government in a responsible way. Sadly, being at rallies organized by crazy people will taint you and your message. Know before you go.
180 | What, me worry? Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:49:47pm |
re: #174 funky chicken
Fluoride is kinda like vaccinations in that lefty nuts think it's a gvmt plot to make us all get cancer and righty nuts think it's, well, a commie plot to, well, I'm not sure.
My professors used to make fun of the fluoride nuts all the time back in the day. They've been around a long, long time.
Bunch of anti-dentites as far as I can see!
182 | Pingemi Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:51:16pm |
re: #171 Slumbering Behemoth
That didn't seem to be the case at the tea party I attended but it's 12:46 here and I've got to get up early so I'll leave that for another day and instead point you to my posts on the one I attended in boston here and here.
My suggestion would be to attend a local one and bring an apolitical friend with you or better still a friend who disagrees with you and talk to people there, that way you have first hand knowledge and a control to make sure you are not basing an opinion on a preconceived idea.
Goodnight all.
183 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:51:24pm |
re: #178 Slumbering Behemoth
Apparently that person has not seen this video.
Of course, plant's do consume CO2, but there is a limit.
We breath Oxygen. O2, good breathing. O3, dead meat.
Yeah, it's a balance. Some people don't understand that. Apparently it's also a "socialist fascist" conspiracy. Typical.
184 | swamprat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:51:25pm |
re: #172 karmic_inquisitor
The ones I saw weren't all that pointy. A less than super sharp angle. And if I remember correctly, the cones were made with a softish wax.
185 | Cato the Elder Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:51:38pm |
re: #169 karmic_inquisitor
Yeah - I hear you.
My only trepidation is that my wife is a mechanical engineer with a keen sense of bullshit detection. The gal who does her eyebrows told her about it.
Anyway, she got these two was cones from an outfit in Sedona (!) and presented them to me this morning and instructed me on how to cone her, which I did.
There were two colors of wax that ended up melted in the interior of the cone - white (the color of the cone) and a dark orange / brown which is supposed to be the wax that was wicked out of the ear.
Well, my personal BS detector was willed to me by a master of the trade, and I still fell for an acupuncturist's line - after getting needled for something that acupuncture can help with - that she could also help with something that I later found out it absolutely can't. And I spend an ungodly amount of money before my BS detector kicked back in.
You and your wife got off easy.
187 | revobob Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:52:41pm |
re: #175 karmic_inquisitor
A very long time.
Y'all are making me feel old- I was a kid in Milwaukee when the idea of fluoridating city water was proposed- feelings on both sides ran very high-not necessarily over fear of commies, but because there was no long-term data on prolonged exposure. It was taken seriously by serious sincere people, not just nut cases.
188 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:52:41pm |
Geert Wilders has proposed a hijab tax
Liberal democrat leader Alexander Pechtold asked himself if Wilders was serious while GroenLinks leader Femke Halsema said his speech was 'vulgar'.
And Socialist Party leader Agnes Kant asked Wilders if he also planned to tax Jewish skull-caps or headscarves worn by Christian women in the countryside.
189 | Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:52:44pm |
Hot Air may have changed their policy (or may have made an announcement to that effect anyway) but their comments are still overloaded with hate speech. Their commenters are now using deliberate misspellings of words like "S@squatch" and "W00kie" to try to avoid being caught by searches, and there are still comments being posted that aren't outright racist, but are extremely repulsive.
For example:
When Michelle Obama takes a crap
Do odors foul the air?
The ones that you and I expel,
That rot our underwear?
Or does it hint of frankincense
And other fragrance rare?
I wonder.When Michelle Obama takes a crap
Do angels on high praise
Their frosty, feathered protege
For adopting human ways?
Or do they gag and flap their wings
To clear away the haze?
I wonder.csdeven on September 19, 2009 at 12:22 AM
Nobody thought that was out of line. It's still there. (This person used to be a commenter at LGF.)
It wouldn't have lasted five minutes here.
190 | swamprat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:52:59pm |
re: #177 Danny
I want to be an ear candlist when I grow up.
After you graduate with a doctors' degree from chiropractic school!
192 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:53:48pm |
re: #174 funky chicken
Fluoride is kinda like vaccinations in that lefty nuts think it's a gvmt plot to make us all get cancer and righty nuts think it's, well, a commie plot to, well, I'm not sure.
In my industry, fluoride is used for etching aluminum in pretreatment operations and it is the most dangerous chemical in the facility. Worse even than the biocide used to control microbes. Like any chemical it has to be handled correctly. As for the health effects of it in trace amounts in the water supply, I am not so sure but I know lots of people who drink water and live long and prosper.
193 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:54:25pm |
re: #150 Killgore Trout
Killgore kicked my dog, turned my grandma into an atheist prostitute, and gave me ass cancer!
Price needs be paid!
///
194 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:54:43pm |
195 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:55:11pm |
Check this one out on ear candling or "coning" -
[Link: www.quackwatch.com...]
More recently, two investigators tested candles to see whether the wax accumulated after burning came entirely from the candle or included wax that came from the ear. To do this they burned candles with the tip (a) inside the ear, (b) outside the ear, so the wax dripped into a bowl of water, and (b) inside the ear but with a tube in place that would permit ear wax to move into the tube but would block candle wax from moving downward. They demonstrated that all residue originated from the candle and that no ear wax was removed from the ear [2].
196 | swamprat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:55:17pm |
197 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:55:21pm |
re: #193 Slumbering Behemoth
Killgore kicked my dog, turned my grandma into an atheist prostitute, and gave me ass cancer!
Price needs be paid!
///
"Son of a bitch MUST PAY!"
/jackburton
198 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:56:17pm |
re: #193 Slumbering Behemoth
There were people here who said a price needed to be paid for Killgore's actions. I'm still not sure why they're more pissed at Killgore than at the people at hot air who motivated him. I think they should re-examine their priorities, frankly.
199 | BryanS Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:56:50pm |
re: #192 Mich-again
In my industry, fluoride is used for etching aluminum in pretreatment operations and it is the most dangerous chemical in the facility. Worse even than the biocide used to control microbes. Like any chemical it has to be handled correctly. As for the health effects of it in trace amounts in the water supply, I am not so sure but I know lots of people who drink water and live long and prosper.
Hmmm. Water, you say. I'll have to give that a go.
200 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:56:53pm |
re: #195 karmic_inquisitor
Check this one out on ear candling or "coning" -
[Link: www.quackwatch.com...]
Same thing with all those Colon cleanse products. They end up removing a plaque from the colon that the product itself creates in the first place. And idiots still fork out money for it.
201 | Enkidu90046 Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:57:02pm |
re: #176 gulfloafer
Not my team but I always like to see the underdogs pull one out.
It was great. I was sorta reminded of when I went to the the U-Dub and we destroyed highly ranked USC and pretty much ended Todd Marinovich's career. His famous quote after getting soundly drubbed, sacked like 7 times, and knocked out of the game... "I didn't see any names or faces... all I saw was purple." That was the start of the peak of the glory years of U-Dub football, culminating in a national championship (which was awesome to be in college when that happened). We have fallen a long ways since then... here's hoping this game is the start of bringing us back to the elite in college football. It has been a long time since Don James (I actually went on a date with his daughter once, Jenny James, who was a U-Dub cheerleader... unfortunately, there was no second date)
202 | Kosh's Shadow Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:57:36pm |
re: #189 Charles
I won't quote the quote, but it seems to be something that maybe a 3rd grader would post, if he were somewhat slow and prone to discussing bodily waste.
Offensive and quite childish.
203 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:57:39pm |
Killgore, apparently a price needs to be paid. Can you please forward your $0.02 to the proper authorities.
204 | funky chicken Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:57:45pm |
re: #192 Mich-again
In my industry, fluoride is used for etching aluminum in pretreatment operations and it is the most dangerous chemical in the facility. Worse even than the biocide used to control microbes. Like any chemical it has to be handled correctly. As for the health effects of it in trace amounts in the water supply, I am not so sure but I know lots of people who drink water and live long and prosper.
hopefully with fewer cavities!
205 | Kronocide Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:57:45pm |
re: #188 Sharmuta
Level 7.4 on the WTF Scale.
I thought it was an Onion article at first, honestly. Reality, not funny.
206 | Cato the Elder Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:58:19pm |
re: #193 Slumbering Behemoth
Killgore kicked my dog, turned my grandma into an atheist prostitute, and gave me ass cancer!
Price needs be paid!
///
Laughing my butt off.
I wonder: Now that Unrealizedviewpoint is over at Deuce (took you what, five minutes, UV?) - do you think his viewpoint will at last be realized?
207 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:58:27pm |
Ron Paul’s ‘Moneybomb’ Guru Working for Minuteman Chris Simcox
Chris Simcox, the co-founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, is in D.C. this week — he marched in the “taxpayer march” on 9/12, and he was working radio row at the Federation for American Immigration Reform’s “Hold Their Feet to the Fire” lobbying event. And Simcox, who’s running in the 2010 Arizona Republican primary against Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), told me he expected to kick his campaign into higher gear with Ron Paul-style fundraising organized by Trevor Lyman, the activist who organized Paul’s “moneybombs” during the 2008 presidential campaign. Lyman confirmed the plans, though there are no dates yet for specific fundraisers.
“This is a different kind of campaign,” said Simcox. “I think I can tap into that $35 million base.”
208 | Racer X Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:59:08pm |
re: #167 Killgore Trout
It was a very reckless thing to do.
Yes it was.
The ends don't justify the means.
209 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:59:20pm |
re: #182 Pingemi
Goodnight. If you check back later, you can have a look at this.
It's just one of many links anyone can find on the roots and origins of the current tea party movement. Ain't pretty, nor sane.
210 | gulfloafer Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:59:24pm |
re: #192 Mich-again
Um ... thanks? I've been paying extra for the fluoridated bottled water I get delivered to the house for about the last five years now. Not sure if my kids got any stupider (I very may well have) but their teeth are pretty damn healthy.
211 | Cato the Elder Sat, Sep 19, 2009 9:59:59pm |
212 | Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:00:34pm |
Chris Simcox has been a frequent guest on the openly white supremacist radio show The Political Cesspool.
213 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:01:32pm |
re: #181 gulfloafer
What's a cone?
It is a wax cone about 12 inches long that is about a quarter inch wide at one end an inch long at the other. it is hollow. You light the big end and let it burn till you see smoke coming out of the small end and then place the small end in someone's ear at about a 45 degree angle while they are lying down.
It is supposed to create a vacuum of hot air that "sucks" out your earwax (and deliver all sorts of benefits that are even harder to believe, like clearing your mind).
214 | sngnsgt Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:02:43pm |
OT: Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned...
Police Say Woman Blew up Ex’s Car
DETROIT (WJBK) - The explosion shook an entire neighborhood. Now, police have a suspect in custody -- a 42-year-old woman from Detroit.
The roof of a Mercury Cougar was blown off. The windshield was sent flying a hundred feet. It happened around five o'clock in the morning on September third on Monte Vista.
Investigators say 42-year-old Doris Cabean-Giles blew up her ex-husband's car as it was parked outside a girlfriend's home.
215 | revobob Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:03:14pm |
re: #213 karmic_inquisitor
It is a wax cone about 12 inches long that is about a quarter inch wide at one end an inch long at the other. it is hollow. You light the big end and let it burn till you see smoke coming out of the small end and then place the small end in someone's ear at about a 45 degree angle while they are lying down.
It is supposed to create a vacuum of hot air that "sucks" out your earwax (and deliver all sorts of benefits that are even harder to believe, like clearing your mind).
If that vacuum is strong enough...
216 | Cato the Elder Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:03:17pm |
re: #213 karmic_inquisitor
It is a wax cone about 12 inches long that is about a quarter inch wide at one end an inch long at the other. it is hollow. You light the big end and let it burn till you see smoke coming out of the small end and then place the small end in someone's ear at about a 45 degree angle while they are lying down.
It is supposed to create a vacuum of hot air that "sucks" out your earwax (and deliver all sorts of benefits that are even harder to believe, like clearing your mind).
If my mind were made of earwax, I might just give that a try.
217 | swamprat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:03:28pm |
re: #213 karmic_inquisitor
Wow! Those are friggin' needles!
218 | J.D. Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:03:34pm |
Oh, you gotta love this.
Death of godfather Irving Kristol signals end of neocon era
THE godfather of neoconservatism, Irving Kristol, has died in Washington of lung cancer aged 89, perhaps bringing to a close an era in which radical right-wing thinkers dominated American political debate. ...
It never even occurred to me that he might be thought of as "radical right-wing".
Well... Hell.
Then I am, too, I'm thinking...
219 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:03:46pm |
re: #189 Charles
That's what I'm talking about. I took a very large and poorly thought out risk for a very minimal gain. I changed the official policy of one blog that I don't even comment at. They made some cosmetic changes but the racism still remains and the attention will only be temporary. It was stupid, offensive and noble. I'll give myself credit for that but it was a wasted battle.
220 | gulfloafer Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:04:06pm |
re: #213 karmic_inquisitor
That just may be the craziest thing I've ever heard. Where can I purchase one of these "cones?"
221 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:04:30pm |
Good evening, all! A perfectly lovely evening in South Austin, and UT has defeated that brilliant offense of Texas Tech's. If they recruited from the same pool of athletes that the Florida's, USC's and UT's of the world do, they'd kick ass.
Nice to see, judging from the last two threads, that everything is calm and measured in the blogosphere. ;-)
222 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:04:49pm |
re: #206 Cato the Elder
I remember getting attacked by Ploome on a thread where Killgore was challenging Robert Spencer (years back). I was backing up Killgore - he was asking reasonable questions - and the thread went apoplectic. Ploome did the whole "spit" thing and told me I must be a jew hating Muslim.
There have been some pretty fucked up people who used to post here.
223 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:05:17pm |
re: #210 gulfloafer
Actually we have a carbon tower in the basement to filter all of the city water coming into the house. We did that for our youngest who had bad skin rashes when she was a baby that were eventually tied to a reaction to chlorinated water. The problems went away immediately once the carbon filter was installed. I'm not altogether sure if that removes the fluoride or not. But everyone's teeth are doing just fine regardless. Brushing helps I suppose.
224 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:05:34pm |
re: #220 gulfloafer
That just may be the craziest thing I've ever heard. Where can I purchase one of these "cones?"
LOL - my wife has two more that she thought she was going to be using on me.
Check craigs list in San Diego
/
225 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:05:44pm |
I asked my brother-in-law, the ENT (Ear-nose-throat) about candling. His cautious reply was: "Well, sticking anything in your ear and lighting it on fire is probably a bad idea."
226 | Racer X Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:06:10pm |
227 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:06:13pm |
228 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:06:40pm |
re: #212 Charles
Chris Simcox has been a frequent guest on the openly white supremacist radio show The Political Cesspool.
Custody Petition
Kim Dunbar - Petitioner
Chris Simcox - Respondent
That man is unstable. Why the GOP is allowing him to be in a primary against John McCain is... oh never mind.
229 | swamprat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:06:54pm |
re: #219 Killgore Trout
. It was stupid, offensive and noble. I'll give myself credit for that but it was a wasted battle.
Not at all. You tilted at a windmill, and it blinked!
/Jousting at windmills is a honored and noble tradition.
230 | Danny Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:07:05pm |
re: #219 Killgore Trout
It was stupid, offensive and noble. I'll give myself credit for that but it was a wasted battle.
Not wasted if it becomes a learning experience.
231 | Racer X Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:07:31pm |
As I sit here with ear drops oozing out of my ear, stuffing a candle in there is the last thing I would do.
232 | Enkidu90046 Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:07:42pm |
re: #221 austin_blue
If they recruited from the same pool of athletes that the ... USC's ... of the world do...
Then they would lose to Washington!!!
BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON!!!
233 | BryanS Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:07:54pm |
re: #225 EmmmieG
I asked my brother-in-law, the ENT (Ear-nose-throat) about candling. His cautious reply was: "Well, sticking anything in your ear and lighting it on fire is probably a bad idea."
Ha! Sounds like reasonable advice to me.
234 | funky chicken Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:08:11pm |
re: #187 revobob
Y'all are making me feel old- I was a kid in Milwaukee when the idea of fluoridating city water was proposed- feelings on both sides ran very high-not necessarily over fear of commies, but because there was no long-term data on prolonged exposure. It was taken seriously by serious sincere people, not just nut cases.
decent, otherwise intelligent folks got taken in by the "aspertame causes lupus and lots of other terrible things" crap too. One of my favorite radio shows is the Dr. Dean Edell show. He talks a lot about all the health fearmongering that goes on, and he talked about how a lot of quacks make their pitches in pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo ... he said something like "just because something is confusing, doesn't mean it's science."
He's very pro-vaccination and pro-science. I highly recommend his show.
He's a political liberal, and I haven't heard him since we moved last spring (haven't been in the car searching talk radio that much) so I don't know if he's spending time talking about single payer or not...I don't support single payer, but wouldn't mind hearing him discuss it for 5 minutes a day ... the rest of his show is excellent.
here's his website: [Link: www.healthcentral.com...]
[Link: www.premiereradio.com...]
235 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:08:13pm |
re: #206 Cato the Elder
- do you think his viewpoint will at last be realized?
Realized by others? It will have to extricate it's cranium first to make room for the view.
236 | MandyManners Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:08:53pm |
re: #214 sngnsgt
OT: Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned...
Police Say Woman Blew up Ex’s Car
Stupid woman is lucky no one was killed.
237 | BryanS Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:10:17pm |
re: #228 Gus 802
Custody Petition
Kim Dunbar - Petitioner
Chris Simcox - RespondentThat man is unstable. Why the GOP is allowing him to be in a primary against John McCain is... oh never mind.
That guy sure is crazy. I like McCain. I hope he fends this wacko off.
238 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:10:34pm |
239 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:10:34pm |
Man sues holster makers after shooting himself at courthouse
CHICAGO (STNG) - A man filed a lawsuit against a handgun holster company Wednesday, claiming a defective holster caused him to shoot himself at the Markham Courthouse in 2007.John Bruno, a Lockport resident, was at the courthouse, 16501 S. Kedzie Pkwy., on Sept. 21, 2007 when he intended to re-holster his weapon, according to a suit filed in Cook County Circuit Court.
As he attempted to put the gun back into the holster, the weapon unexpectedly discharged, the suit said.
Bruno is suing Bushnell Outdoor Products, Michael’s of Oregon, Co., Uncle Mike’s and Kale Uniforms, Inc.—the companies that manufacture and sell the Kydex Belt Holster for Glock Model handguns—claiming the product was defective and caused him to shoot himself.
240 | gulfloafer Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:10:44pm |
re: #224 karmic_inquisitor
Thanks, but I'll stick with the shark dorsal fins.
241 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:11:06pm |
re: #159 Killgore Trout
LOL!
Over!
Over!
242 | revobob Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:11:39pm |
re: #234 funky chicken
Thanks for the pointer. I should explain that this was (IIRC!) almost 60 years ago. The social climate was very different, especially as far as sales and marketing being applied to science and medicine.
243 | Kronocide Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:12:11pm |
re: #212 Charles
Chris Simcox has been a frequent guest on the openly white supremacist radio show The Political Cesspool.
Linked to there, then in two more links I was reading about Zyklon B and death camps.
No bigs!
244 | sngnsgt Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:12:18pm |
re: #236 MandyManners
Stupid woman is lucky no one was killed.
Yes, that was rather stupid and, she is lucky. She's now looking at 30 years in prison for her stupidity.
245 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:12:18pm |
re: #228 Gus 802
Custody Petition
Kim Dunbar - Petitioner
Chris Simcox - RespondentThat man is unstable. Why the GOP is allowing him to be in a primary against John McCain is... oh never mind.
Hopefully, when McCain kicks his ass It'll take the gilding off the Simcox Stinkweed.
(I know the phrase is "gliding the lily", but what Simcox produces doesn't smell like flowers.)
246 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:12:28pm |
Looks like Allahpundit finally found an African-American that can agree with Mark Levin and post the video up at Hot Air. Stephen A. Smith who is a sports writer.
They're still on the race topic however. They titled this one "Post Racial."
Right, that's why they have Robert Stacy McCain as part of the Hot Air team.
I would no sooner go to Hot Air to understand race relations in America then I would go to a proctologist to get root canal.
247 | MandyManners Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:12:55pm |
re: #228 Gus 802
Custody Petition
Kim Dunbar - Petitioner
Chris Simcox - RespondentThat man is unstable. Why the GOP is allowing him to be in a primary against John McCain is... oh never mind.
He's a fucking nut. Physically and verbally abusive.
248 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:13:55pm |
re: #237 BryanS
That guy sure is crazy. I like McCain. I hope he fends this wacko off.
He sure is. Whack job in the extreme on many levels. Go John McCain should win -- I hope.
249 | J.D. Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:14:00pm |
Good heavens. I don't know people like these.
Having a smallpox vaccination proves... what?
250 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:14:48pm |
re: #247 MandyManners
He's a fucking nut. Physically and verbally abusive.
Sure enough he's trying to revise his history. He took on some oddly liberal cause recently.
251 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:14:50pm |
re: #214 sngnsgt
The roof of a Mercury Cougar was blown off. The windshield was sent flying a hundred feet.
That is not supposed to happen ever. MVSS requirements say so. Windshields are never ever supposed to fly off a car regardless. The glass should bust out before the bonding agent fails. Somewhere there is a car guy hoping that windshield was replaced along the way and it didn't come from the factory like that.
252 | Racer X Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:15:06pm |
re: #246 Gus 802
Looks like Allahpundit finally found an African-American that can agree with Mark Levin and post the video up at Hot Air. Stephen A. Smith who is a sports writer.
They're still on the race topic however. They titled this one "Post Racial."
Right, that's why they have Robert Stacy McCain as part of the Hot Air team.
I would no sooner go to Hot Air to understand race relations in America then I would go to a proctologist to get root canal.
I heard that interview live. I liked it. I like Stephen A. Smith.
253 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:15:20pm |
re: #239 NJDhockeyfan
Man sues holster makers after shooting himself at courthouse
I'm thinking it was his finger. Has he sued that?
254 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:15:35pm |
re: #252 Racer X
I heard that interview live. I liked it. I like Stephen A. Smith.
Yeah. True enough. Not happy at all with Hot Air.
255 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:15:44pm |
OT, but in the annals of despicable political commentary, Jonah Goldberg believes that if only Jerri Ryan had shut up and gone along with her husband, then Obama wouldn't be POTUS.
Stupid women, messing things up all the time.
I blame Jerri Ryan and Mike Ditka for all of America's problems. If she only lightened up, her husband would have beat Obama in '04.
Background: Exactly how was Jerri Ryan supposed to 'lighten up'?
On three trips, one to New Orleans, one to New York, and one to Paris, Respondent [Jack Ryan] insisted that I go to sex clubs with him. They were long weekends, supposed "romantic" getaways. ... The clubs in New York and Paris were explicit sex clubs. Respondent had done research. Respondent took me to two clubs in New York during the day. One club I refused to go in. It had mattresses in cubicles. The other club he insisted I go to. ... It was a bizarre club with cages, whips and other apparatus hanging from the ceiling. Respondent wanted me to have sex with him there, with another couple watching. I refused. Respondent asked me to perform a sexual activity upon him, and he specifically asked other people to watch. I was very upset. We left the club, and Respondent apologized, said that I was right and that he would never insist I go to a club again. He promised it was out of his system. Then during a trip to Paris, he took me to a sex club in Paris, without telling me where we were going. I told him I thought it was out of his system. I told him he had promised me we would never go. People were having sex everywhere. I cried, I was physically ill. Respondent became very upset with me, and said it was not a "turn on" for me to cry.
PS Obama was already leading by 20 points when Ryan's candidacy was torpedoed by the divorce, btw.
This has been episode eleventy-one in "Why I hate Jonah Goldberg".
Thank you for your patience.
256 | funky chicken Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:15:46pm |
re: #242 revobob
Thanks for the pointer. I should explain that this was (IIRC!) almost 60 years ago. The social climate was very different, especially as far as sales and marketing being applied to science and medicine.
yes, but it's quite similar to what goes on today. people on the extremes put out a really scary sounding message about something that *might* be a threat to health, and normal folks get taken in.
Dr. Dean talks about mercury amalgam fillings also. They aren't a health risk, but I'd guess that most Americans believe that they are.
257 | MandyManners Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:16:50pm |
re: #250 Gus 802
Sure enough he's trying to revise his history. He took on some oddly liberal cause recently.
He whacked a four-year-old child across the face. Kids have been killed by that.
258 | What, me worry? Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:16:54pm |
re: #249 J.D.
Good heavens. I don't know people like these.
Having a smallpox vaccination proves... what?
I'm assuming Kenyans don't have them?
259 | Racer X Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:16:55pm |
re: #254 Gus 802
Yeah. True enough. Not happy at all with Hot Air.
Agreed. There is a lot of crap going on over there. I rarely go there anymore.
261 | Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:17:11pm |
Every thread at Hot Air is turning into a bashing session against me.
And I mean every thread, no matter what the topic.
The latest thread contains this lovely comment:
Among other personal attacks against LGF members, the troll alleged that Charles was gay. So by Charles own logic yesterday, that HotAir is racist as a result of a late night troll attack, (so I’ve heard second hand), then it only follows that Charles must therefor be gay, (since he didn’t delete the offending comments until the following morning!) Homosexuality wasn’t the only allegation, BTW.
(True story)
FloatingRock on September 19, 2009 at 11:55 PM
262 | Danny Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:17:15pm |
263 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:17:24pm |
re: #246 Gus 802
Looks like Allahpundit finally found an African-American that can agree with Mark Levin and post the video up at Hot Air. Stephen A. Smith who is a sports writer.
They're still on the race topic however. They titled this one "Post Racial."
Right, that's why they have Robert Stacy McCain as part of the Hot Air team.
I would no sooner go to Hot Air to understand race relations in America then I would go to a proctologist to get root canal.
I don't know. Your statement is oddly logical. If they reach up their collective ass far enough...
264 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:18:08pm |
Ex-aide says Edwards fathered mistress' child
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. – A man who once claimed to have fathered the child of John Edwards' mistress says in a book proposal the former presidential candidate is the real father and that Edwards and worked with his campaign finance chairman to hide that secret, according to a newspaper report published online Saturday.
The New York Times said the book proposal by former Edwards aide Andrew Young states he helped facilitate the affair between Edwards and Rielle Hunter. According to the newspaper, Young wrote that Edwards once told Hunter they would wed after Edwards' wife, who has cancer, died.
Edwards told Hunter that the ceremony would be held on a rooftop in New York and the Dave Matthews Bands would make an appearance, the newspaper said, citing its examination of the book proposal.
How despicable.
265 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:19:16pm |
So - now the thread is slowing down - let me share an interesting theory that someone shared with me today.
It turns out that Barak Obama may not have been born in the United States!
Have any of you heard about this?
/
266 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:20:03pm |
re: #246 Gus 802
Looks like Allahpundit finally found an African-American that can agree with Mark Levin and post the video up at Hot Air. Stephen A. Smith who is a sports writer.
They're still on the race topic however. They titled this one "Post Racial."
Right, that's why they have Robert Stacy McCain as part of the Hot Air team.
I would no sooner go to Hot Air to understand race relations in America then I would go to a proctologist to get root canal.
Still, one could get good mileage out of the proctologist by having him pull Hot Air's collective head out of its ass.
267 | gulfloafer Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:20:11pm |
re: #264 NJDhockeyfan
The part about marrying her after his wife died or having Dave Matthews perform at the wedding?
268 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:20:39pm |
What do you call it if you want to give a Darwin Award to a creationist?
269 | BryanS Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:20:46pm |
re: #261 Charles
You can see the stupid just oozing from that commenter, right? So can everyone else who isn't similarly stupid.
270 | Racer X Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:20:47pm |
re: #261 Charles
Most of the time I like KT. I thought this comments over there were despicable - under any circumstances - and I had a feeling that it would bring heat to you and your blog. Not good.
271 | Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:21:15pm |
This guy is really chafing at Hot Air's new anti-racism rule:
I hate it when I get a post stuck in moderation in the middle of the night when likely nobody is around to approve it, so self censor it—and the second try also gets stuck in moderation.
Thanks LGF! (You Pieces of S***!!!)
I don’t blame HotAir for being careful, (although Charles is full of C***), but I hope this is short lived.
FloatingRock on September 20, 2009 at 12:47 AM
272 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:21:26pm |
re: #261 Charles
Charles, it might do you some good to read "The Penalty of Leadership", from an advertisement Cadillac used in 1915. A snip..
When a man's work becomes a standard for the whole world, it also becomes a target for the shafts of the envious few. If his work be mediocre, he will be left severely alone - if he achieves a masterpiece, it will set a million tongues a-wagging. Jealousy does not protrude its forked tongue at the artist who produces a commonplace painting. Whatsoever you write, or paint, or play, or sing, or build, no one will strive to surpass or to slander you unless your work be stamped with the seal of genius.
273 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:21:27pm |
re: #268 karmic_inquisitor
What do you call it if you want to give a Darwin Award to a creationist?
Ironic.
274 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:21:30pm |
re: #266 Dark_Falcon
Still, one could get good mileage out of the proctologist by having him pull Hot Air's collective head out of its ass.
Maybe if Dr. Floating Rock went through the rear end and past all the hot air and did the root canal from below.
//
275 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:22:13pm |
re: #265 karmic_inquisitor
So - now the thread is slowing down - let me share an interesting theory that someone shared with me today.
It turns out that Barak Obama may not have been born in the United States!
Have any of you heard about this?
/
I heard a rumour he fathered two black children, too.
276 | BryanS Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:23:08pm |
re: #268 karmic_inquisitor
What do you call it if you want to give a Darwin Award to a creationist?
Ironic, but still a Darwin Award
277 | J.D. Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:23:11pm |
re: #258 marjoriemoon
I'm assuming Kenyans don't have them?
Oh.
Right.
I spoke to an Iraqi woman who said she'd had one.
That sort of surprised me.
278 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:23:18pm |
re: #264 NJDhockeyfan
Ex-aide says Edwards fathered mistress' child
How despicable.
If true, yes. Note that it is a proposal, not a signed deal, which the publisher's lawyers will be on like white on rice for provenance. No supporting documentation, it's hearsay and they won't touch it.
Don't get me wrong, I think Edwards is a skank, but reporting this as semi-fact is equally skanky. It's innuendo.
279 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:23:21pm |
re: #275 iceweasel
I heard a rumour he fathered two black children, too.
I'd like to go to a protest and hold up a sign that says "Bears shit in the woods".
280 | elclynn Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:24:09pm |
re: #188 Sharmuta
I saw the speech before the Cabinet. It was more illustration then anything. He was speaking about the considerable cost of benefits for immigrants foisted by government on the Dutch populace. He was being sarcastic more then he was demanding a tax on hijab. One of the cabinet members stepped up and asked, same sarcasm, if he would tax hydrogen peroxide. He likened the Cabinet to a bunch of people riding around in a Mini Cooper always going left even when they saw a sign saying they would run into a swamp. Quite a few of the Cabinet members were laughing at the cleverness of his speech. Maybe you should fact check it.
281 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:24:19pm |
re: #275 iceweasel
I heard a rumour he fathered two black children, too.
Wow.
Next thing you are going to tell me is that a black family lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
282 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:24:28pm |
re: #255 iceweasel
OT, but in the annals of despicable political commentary, Jonah Goldberg believes that if only Jerri Ryan had shut up and gone along with her husband, then Obama wouldn't be POTUS.
Stupid women, messing things up all the time.
PS Obama was already leading by 20 points when Ryan's candidacy was torpedoed by the divorce, btw.
This has been episode eleventy-one in "Why I hate Jonah Goldberg".
Thank you for your patience.
I think he meant that tounge-in-cheek, ice. That said, I blame the Illinois GOP for nominating that asshole Alan Keyes to replace Ryan on the ticket. I ended up voting for Keyes. but in only because I could not vote for someone as liberal as Obama. In retrospect, I should have voted for Obama in that election, because Keyes is a far worse person.
283 | Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:24:49pm |
re: #280 elclynn
I saw the speech before the Cabinet. It was more illustration then anything. He was speaking about the considerable cost of benefits for immigrants foisted by government on the Dutch populace. He was being sarcastic more then he was demanding a tax on hijab. One of the cabinet members stepped up and asked, same sarcasm, if he would tax hydrogen peroxide. He likened the Cabinet to a bunch of people riding around in a Mini Cooper always going left even when they saw a sign saying they would run into a swamp. Quite a few of the Cabinet members were laughing at the cleverness of his speech. Maybe you should fact check it.
Geert Wilders is a populist demagogue, trading on hatred.
284 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:24:52pm |
re: #255 iceweasel
OT, but in the annals of despicable political commentary, Jonah Goldberg believes that if only Jerri Ryan had shut up and gone along with her husband, then Obama wouldn't be POTUS.
Stupid women, messing things up all the time.
PS Obama was already leading by 20 points when Ryan's candidacy was torpedoed by the divorce, btw.
This has been episode eleventy-one in "Why I hate Jonah Goldberg".
Thank you for your patience.
Doughy Pantload!
lol
Next he'll be writing for the NY Post.
285 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:24:54pm |
re: #271 Charles
I'm still very much on the fence about my outburst. What little satisfaction comes from the pissed off racists...And they are certainly pissed.
286 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:25:29pm |
re: #261 Charles
Bah! It's only Hot Air!
287 | What, me worry? Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:25:32pm |
re: #277 J.D.
Oh.
Right.I spoke to an Iraqi woman who said she'd had one.
That sort of surprised me.
I guess it would depend on how old she was?
I had a Cuban girlfriend who has polio. She's my age, but was never vaccinated in Cuba as a little girl. It always made me mad to think of it when I saw her. I can't imagine how she felt.
288 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:26:00pm |
re: #271 Charles
This guy is really chafing at Hot Air's new anti-racism rule:
(You're full of C***)??
Cola?
289 | What, me worry? Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:26:24pm |
re: #278 austin_blue
If true, yes. Note that it is a proposal, not a signed deal, which the publisher's lawyers will be on like white on rice for provenance. No supporting documentation, it's hearsay and they won't touch it.
Don't get me wrong, I think Edwards is a skank, but reporting this as semi-fact is equally skanky. It's innuendo.
The other seems a little sleazy himself.
Why doesn't she get a paternity test and put it to rest?
290 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:26:41pm |
291 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:26:48pm |
re: #279 ArchangelMichael
I'd like to go to a protest and hold up a sign that says "Bears shit in the woods".
I dare you to go to a feminist protest with a sign that says Iron my shirt B*. I think that guy was the original protest warrior.
292 | What, me worry? Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:26:49pm |
re: #289 marjoriemoon
The
otherauthor seems a little sleazy himself.Why doesn't she get a paternity test and put it to rest?
293 | Cato the Elder Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:27:00pm |
294 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:27:11pm |
re: #280 elclynn
You expect me to believe that? Are his calls to ban the koran also "sarcasm"?
295 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:27:18pm |
296 | Danny Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:27:20pm |
297 | gulfloafer Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:27:24pm |
re: #288 austin_blue
I thought it meant corn? BTW, you're full of S*** ... SOUP!
298 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:28:08pm |
299 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:28:36pm |
re: #279 ArchangelMichael
I'd like to go to a protest and hold up a sign that says "Bears shit in the woods".
My favourite Obama protest sign (what won't those dastardly lefties do to mock others?)
300 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:28:50pm |
re: #293 Cato the Elder
Hmm.
Jack was married to Jerri and he needed to take her to sex clubs to get off?
There really is something sexually twisted about the GOP.
Maybe the sexual tension of living a lie brings on bigger orgasms. Republicans could really psych out the Dems if they explained it that way.
301 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:28:52pm |
re: #291 Mich-again
I dare you to go to a feminist protest with a sign that says Iron my shirt B*. I think that guy was the original protest warrior.
Yeah but I think this was funnier: [Link: www.manolith.com...]
303 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:29:37pm |
re: #297 gulfloafer
I thought it meant corn? BTW, you're full of S*** ... SOUP!
Ah, a corn bisque of an illusion! Excellent.
304 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:29:39pm |
305 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:30:17pm |
306 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:32:10pm |
Good lord!
Newark 4 year old passes out cocaine at daycare thinking it was candy
NEWARK -- Shaheed Wright feared police were closing in on him, authorities say, so he hid his bags of cocaine in his son’s jacket pockets, telling the child that it was candy.
And when the boy arrived at his daycare center in Newark on Friday morning, he did what any other 4 year old might: The boy handed the white powder out to his friends.
One girl ate it.
She was rushed to Beth Israel Medical Center in Newark along with Wright’s son and two other boys from the day care suspected of eating cocaine. They all turned out to be fine and were released to their parents, according to Todd McClendon, a spokesman for Newark Police.
307 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:32:57pm |
For shits and giggles we ought to have a "what if we fit in?" thread where we explore a topic that all of the right wing blogs would approve of.
I propose "books for banning" as such a topic.
308 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:33:41pm |
re: #307 karmic_inquisitor
For shits and giggles we ought to have a "what if we fit in?" thread where we explore a topic that all of the right wing blogs would approve of.
I propose "books for banning" as such a topic.
Cookbooks for brussel sprouts, asparagus, and cauliflower. (Banned in this house, anyway.)
309 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:34:14pm |
re: #307 karmic_inquisitor
For shits and giggles we ought to have a "what if we fit in?" thread where we explore a topic that all of the right wing blogs would approve of.
I propose "books for banning" as such a topic.
We should ban The Audacity of Hope, of course. ///
311 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:34:51pm |
re: #307 karmic_inquisitor
For shits and giggles we ought to have a "what if we fit in?" thread where we explore a topic that all of the right wing blogs would approve of.
I propose "books for banning" as such a topic.
The God Delusion!!11!1!!
//
312 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:34:52pm |
re: #294 Sharmuta
You expect me to believe that? Are his calls to ban the koran also "sarcasm"?
Wow, that one must have missed the memo. The blanket excuse to be used when one's favorite politician/pundit gets caught voicing something objectionable is that it was "satire", not "sarcasm".
Sheesh! What's the point of writing up a list of right-wing apologist talking points if no one is going to read them?
/
313 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:35:25pm |
re: #304 iceweasel
My thoughts exactly, Cato. Damn.
Funny, innit? Was he so insecure that he had to take her to public sex clubs to show off his remarkable conquest? If I was blessed (as a younger man, of course) to be associated with someone as exotically attractive as she, I would think I would spend as much time as possible cooking her lobster and feeding her chocolate.
And if I needed to dress up up like the Village Person of her choice, that would be fine, too. Just as long as it was kept in the house.
314 | gulfloafer Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:35:27pm |
re: #309 Sharmuta
Bill Ayers wrote that book. Where you been?
315 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:36:15pm |
re: #299 iceweasel
If he could pull that off, he just might win my vote. Probably not, though.
317 | J.D. Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:38:05pm |
re: #287 marjoriemoon
I guess it would depend on how old she was?
I had a Cuban girlfriend who has polio. She's my age, but was never vaccinated in Cuba as a little girl. It always made me mad to think of it when I saw her. I can't imagine how she felt.
She never had a polio immunization or a smallpox vaccination?
My daughter had a smallpox vaccination (it was optional at that time) but my son was enough younger (13 years) to miss it. I wonder whether they will make him take it now. He got his obligatory flu shot (his first ever) yesterday, and he said that the one he had was not made with live attenuated virus and so it wouldn't make him have flu symptoms. Who knew?
318 | Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:38:22pm |
Just noticed for the first time, in Michelle Malkin's blogroll -- VDARE.
320 | sngnsgt Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:39:18pm |
re: #251 Mich-again
That is not supposed to happen ever. MVSS requirements say so. Windshields are never ever supposed to fly off a car regardless. The glass should bust out before the bonding agent fails. Somewhere there is a car guy hoping that windshield was replaced along the way and it didn't come from the factory like that.
I've seen after-market windshields installed many times. It had to be installed somewhere besides the factory.
321 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:39:21pm |
324 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:40:08pm |
re: #316 Sharmuta
The Origin of Species!
Anything by anybody who prides themselves as being a scientist, philosopher, or historian. Dangerous stuff.
326 | Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:40:32pm |
Also in her blogroll - Steve Sailer.
Both VDARE's founder Peter Brimelow and Steve Sailer have appeared on the white supremacist radio show Political Cesspool.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
327 | BryanS Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:40:48pm |
re: #318 Charles
Just noticed for the first time, in Michelle Malkin's blogroll -- VDARE.
A quick google of that name shows a paid google ad:
"Content from VDARE.com - A webzine devoted to the National Question."
The "national question"? Yikes! Invoking Godwin's Law in 3...2...1
328 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:41:01pm |
re: #322 gulfloafer
What's a VDARE?
A lesbian truth or dare site.
/ Actually, white supremacism repackaged
329 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:41:07pm |
re: #325 BatGuano
Please tell me that's not a flounce.
330 | Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:41:25pm |
332 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:42:38pm |
333 | Randall Gross Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:42:58pm |
re: #318 Charles
Just noticed for the first time, in Michelle Malkin's blogroll -- VDARE.
They've circled the wagons in the land of the perpetually pissed off and paranoid.
334 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:43:21pm |
re: #330 Charles
Is there something more to Bat's story?
335 | Salamantis Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:43:22pm |
I wanna see all books by Erich Segal and Kathleen Woodiwiss banned.
Not for any religious or political reason.
But because they suck.
/
336 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:43:55pm |
re: #332 Dark_Falcon
I'm only saying it was not a flounce, because he didn't say something dramatic or snarky. It was still a goodbye, and I'm not disputing the policy of deleting them.
338 | J.D. Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:45:04pm |
339 | Racer X Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:45:13pm |
Stephen A. Smith - Audio Podcast: Obama Healthcare Reform – “He must show backbone”
340 | Cato the Elder Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:45:19pm |
341 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:45:21pm |
342 | Randall Gross Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:45:21pm |
re: #337 BigPapa
What the hell? Another long timer...
Some people can't take peer group pressure, you know how it goes.
343 | gulfloafer Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:45:24pm |
I'm going to start my own hate blog. I hate acronyms! It'll be all inclusive except, for acronyms that is.
344 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:46:32pm |
re: #343 gulfloafer
I'm going to start my own hate blog. I hate acronyms! It'll be all inclusive except, for acronyms that is.
Well all I can say is - GFI (Go For It)!
345 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:46:44pm |
re: #337 BigPapa
Not a long timer, only been here about eight months. Too bad he decided to go out like that. I could disagree with that guy and still be friendly.
346 | Cato the Elder Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:47:05pm |
re: #343 gulfloafer
I'm going to start my own hate blog. I hate acronyms! It'll be all inclusive except, for acronyms that is.
"The I Hate Acronyms Blog"
So watcha gonna do when people start flocking to your new blog and calling it TIHAB?
348 | Conservative Physicist Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:47:42pm |
Ok, some of the pictures I see do not seem offensive to me. The old lady is protesting abortion, several people who are expressing their feeling that they are afraid that their 2nd amendment rights may be taken away from them and that a revolution like the one that happened in 1776 may need to happen again, and someone saying Obama is destroying our country (which I agree with!). There's a birther I don't agree with, and some stupid signs like roadkill, but many of the signs are not offensive unless I'm just clueless about something. I think the "gun" signs are more of a reference to Revolution 1776 style than they are to actually "killing" the president or congress or anyone else. I really think you guys are really going overboard with the "raaaccciiisttt" stuff. More than likely 90% of these people have never protested anything before and have no clue how to accurately express themselves. But maybe I'm giving them too much credit.
349 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:48:06pm |
re: #343 gulfloafer
I'm going to start my own hate blog. I hate acronyms! It'll be all inclusive except, for acronyms that is.
A blog without ACORN, SEIU, the ACLU, PETA, and ANSWER?
Whatever will you write about?
/
351 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:48:33pm |
re: #343 gulfloafer
I'm going to start my own hate blog. I hate acronyms! It'll be all inclusive except, for acronyms that is.
I'll join up, as long as there is no cheese or kite related stuff either.
/TLA = Three Letter Acronym
352 | Randall Gross Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:49:11pm |
re: #348 Conservative Physicist
So are you thinking an armed revolution would be a good thing at this point?
353 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:49:23pm |
re: #350 BigPapa
Your blue name goes to the URL I used to have mine setup for. Did you have the same results as me or did the URL bug strike again?
354 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:49:29pm |
re: #348 Conservative Physicist
More than likely 90% of these people have never protested anything before and have no clue how to accurately express themselves.
Did you cut antiwar protesters that kind of slack, I wonder?
355 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:49:45pm |
Malkin comes as no surprise- I'm just stunned she'd be so open about it and that no one sees any issue with her linking to such a hate site.
We thought we saw a lot of crap from spencer apologists- wait until the malkin apologists show up.
356 | Racer X Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:49:49pm |
Really cool pictures here - Astrophoto.
This one is nice:
Sugarpine
357 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:49:55pm |
re: #330 Charles
It was.
Damn. That's a shame. Seems a lot of the old guard are committing blogicide. Reminds me of an old CSN&Y song:
"Do you know?
Don't you wonder?
What's going on
Down under you?"
That's not personal, Charles. It's self-inflicted on their part. I'm just curious as to why it's happening. I'll assume that they are leaving e-mails with you before flouncing. Is there a common thread, or is it all over the place?
358 | Mauser Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:49:59pm |
I found the next to last sign the most disturbing of the lot. The thought of Barney Frank in ANY sexual context gives me the screaming heebee jeebies.
359 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:50:28pm |
re: #349 iceweasel
A blog without ACORN, SEIU, the ACLU, PETA, and ANSWER?
Whatever will you write about?
/
WTF? That means an anti acronym blog can't be right wing.
It therefore must be a traitor's blog.
(QED)
361 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:51:07pm |
362 | gulfloafer Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:51:09pm |
re: #351 Slumbering Behemoth
Kites are kind of boring but I dig cheese.
363 | Kronocide Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:51:39pm |
re: #353 ArchangelMichael
Your blue name goes to the URL I used to have mine setup for. Did you have the same results as me or did the URL bug strike again?
It still works for me. I went there after seeing it on your nic a few months ago and figured I'd give it a go.
364 | Randall Gross Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:51:49pm |
I mean really, that's what the founding fathers meant by the 2nd amendment right? So that the party that lost the election through lack of vision and direction could fight back with guns in the street. Yes, that's a good interpretation of the 2nd amendment...
///
365 | BryanS Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:51:51pm |
re: #351 Slumbering Behemoth
I'll join up, as long as there is no cheese or kite related stuff either.
/TLA = Three Letter Acronym
Oh man, and I was going to start a new blog dedicated to transporting cheese via kites to feed the poor.
366 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:52:06pm |
re: #360 Sharmuta
Are you in my head, or am I in yours?
367 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:52:22pm |
re: #364 Thanos
I mean really, that's what the founding fathers meant by the 2nd amendment right? So that the party that lost the election through lack of vision and direction could fight back with guns in the street. Yes, that's a good interpretation of the 2nd amendment...
///
Ha! Well played!
368 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:53:50pm |
re: #363 BigPapa
It still works for me. I went there after seeing it on your nic a few months ago and figured I'd give it a go.
Oh ok. I thought mine was copied into yours by a glitch or something. Every once in awhile someone's website URL shows up in the Website field when I'm posting and I have no idea how it got there.
369 | Silvergirl Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:54:10pm |
re: #356 Racer X
Really cool pictures here - Astrophoto.
This one is nice:
Sugarpine
I love the one of the Foresthill Bridge and just emailed it to a friend. I've been on that bridge many times in the past.
370 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:54:21pm |
re: #362 gulfloafer
Kites are kind of boring but I dig cheese.
Read through these posted bills. Trust me, they get progressively funnier and more absurd. The origin of my occasional "cheese and kite related stuff" comments.
371 | Conservative Physicist Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:55:08pm |
re: #352 Thanos
So are you thinking an armed revolution would be a good thing at this point?
No, but a political one would be. I really think these gun protests are more about gun control or losing their 2nd amendment rights. Did anyone bother asking these people if they wanted to kill the president? Or did someone just take pictures and run? But how about the one, "I'll take God and Guns you can have Obama" What's wrong with that?
372 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:55:46pm |
re: #364 Thanos
I mean really, that's what the founding fathers meant by the 2nd amendment right? So that the party that lost the election through lack of vision and direction could fight back with guns in the street. Yes, that's a good interpretation of the 2nd amendment...
///
The Founders would weep if they saw the 9/12 Tea Party. Rank hate and threat of violence. I can think of few things more dishonorable than moving against everything that someone fought and thought long and hard to achieve and justifying your actions by invoking their name.
/spits on the teasbaggers. Just this once, I will use that term.
373 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:55:54pm |
re: #358 Mauser
Sounds like a personal problem. Perhaps you should seek professional help.
/
374 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:58:04pm |
Woman dies after catching fire during surgery
ST. LOUIS - A southern Illinois woman died after being severely burned in a flash fire while undergoing surgery, a rare but vexing problem in operating rooms.
Yikes! I'm glad I didn't read this before my surgery.
375 | freetoken Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:58:18pm |
re: #318 Charles
She used to have an "Immigration Blog" that featured writers pimping VDARE:
[Link: 74.125.95.132...]
She knows her audience well, just like Glenn Beck.
376 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:58:45pm |
re: #357 austin_blue
I'm just curious as to why it's happening.
I think it's happening in part because for some people, it's difficult to be critical of people they're attached to. This extends to loved one, friends, and even political personas.
If you had told me 5 years ago I would be pissed off at Rush- I would not have believed you. But fine tuning my critical thinking skills here at LGF has made a difference. Nothing anyone said here made me see Rush in a different light. It was all stuff he said during the election season that made me go- huh? For some- it's just too traumatic to do this. This is why people stay in abusive relationships, go along with the crowd... It's hard to turn a critical eye on those we love/admire.
377 | gulfloafer Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:58:48pm |
re: #370 Slumbering Behemoth
That is the best! I want to meet that crazy bass-tard.
378 | Cato the Elder Sat, Sep 19, 2009 10:59:27pm |
re: #371 Conservative Physicist
No, but a political one would be.
Revolution, that is.
We have provisions for that. They're called "elections". There's one coming up in 2012. Next year, there's one for a bunch of congresscritters.
Can't wait that long? Tough.
380 | Ben G. Hazi Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:01:07pm |
re: #271 Charles
This guy is really chafing at Hot Air's new anti-racism rule:
Awww, poor wittle baby can't say racist and bigoted shit on HA without resorting to code and camoflauge.
/fuck the narrow-minded, cretinous bastards...
381 | Randall Gross Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:01:53pm |
re: #371 Conservative Physicist
Nobody took the pictures and ran. These are the pictures the participants are proudly posting themselves, so get a clue about that. There are thousands like this out there if you surf some of the photo sites with a "tea party" search.
The 2nd amendment rights protest is thoroughly uncalled for. The dems are going to do a damned thing about trying to restrict gun rights because they know they would lose power if they tried.
The fact is gun rights are getting steadily better the past few years, and most on the right know that. So that whole gun grabbing garbage is bs, the tree of liberty statement refers to Tyrants, and the meme on the right is that the O is a tyrant even though the great bulk of the "Czar" positions they are harping about are really just lame bureaucrat positions that existed under Bush, and some under Bush Sr. Meanwhile, the ills ascribed to Obama were passed by the Pelosi-Reid-Waxman cabal in Congress, but the right's not paying attention to that. They'd rather demonize and demagogue against the president because the upcoming election in 2010 is presidential.
// oh ... wait... the upcoming election is .. congressional.
382 | freetoken Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:02:22pm |
Not just on her blog roll, but also pimped under "buzzworthy":
[Link: 74.125.95.132...]
One can make a good living manipulating people addicted to hating others.
383 | Mauser Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:02:23pm |
re: #374 NJDhockeyfan
Woman dies after catching fire during surgery
Yikes! I'm glad I didn't read this before my surgery.
Now if only we could harness this power for the Spontaneous Human Combustion Engine!
384 | Shug Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:03:27pm |
re: #43 MandyManners
"BARNEY FRANK IS AN IMMORAL SEXUAL DEVIANT"
Is there such a thing as a moral, sexual deviant?
Larry Craig?
/
388 | BryanS Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:05:41pm |
re: #381 Thanos
[snip]
// oh ... wait... the upcoming election is .. congressional.
A Republican Congress was a great balance to Clinton, I think. Well, except for the sex obsession, but Clinton brought that on himself.
389 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:05:50pm |
re: #371 Conservative Physicist
No, but a political one would be. I really think these gun protests are more about gun control or losing their 2nd amendment rights. Did anyone bother asking these people if they wanted to kill the president? Or did someone just take pictures and run? But how about the one, "I'll take God and Guns you can have Obama" What's wrong with that?
Well, let's see. They can't "take" what they already have. They can't "give" to others what they already have. Obama is the president of everyone in the country, like it or not (and they obviously don't).
The statement is vacant, intellectually bankrupt, and quite frankly, a rock dumb non sequiter.
Outside of that, there's nothing wrong with it. As a scientist and critical thinker, I am sure you agree.
390 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:06:09pm |
re: #371 Conservative Physicist
There is not national gun control legislation on the table, none. Not even whispers of one.
These people are cranks that can't understand the political process, and can't deal with the fact that "they" did not win an election.
They are stamping their feet like spoiled little children, and using vague, craven threats of violence to do so.
391 | Cato the Elder Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:06:53pm |
re: #43 MandyManners
"BARNEY FRANK IS AN IMMORAL SEXUAL DEVIANT"
Is there such a thing as a moral, sexual deviant?
"Deviant" means "doing things in a different way" (from some undefined standard of "normality" that is probably statistically meaningless).
I would submit that no moral judgment whatsoever need attach to the word.
392 | Ben G. Hazi Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:07:01pm |
393 | Randall Gross Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:08:04pm |
Well I've been under the weather, I think H1N1 caught up with me today. What's the OOTD today?
394 | Shug Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:08:12pm |
re: #51 iceweasel
Zombie is the source for cherrypicked photos of Code Pink people in Sf or Berkeley at antiwar protests.
These photos are widely available in the flickr streams of anyone who attended the event, and demonstrate that these photos are NOT cherrypicked or misrepresentative of the event. Google is your friend.
wow. I can't believe this statement against Zombie.
I assume this is implying that Zombie, who is the most meticulous person I have ever seen on the internet, somehow distorts his/her reports and fakes the information to satisfy an agenda?
BULLCRAP
395 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:08:50pm |
re: #392 talon_262
Charles is making people take a good, hard look at what it is they're supporting and/or themselves, and it's too much for some people to handle.
396 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:09:36pm |
re: #376 Sharmuta
I think it's happening in part because for some people, it's difficult to be critical of people they're attached to. This extends to loved one, friends, and even political personas.
If you had told me 5 years ago I would be pissed off at Rush- I would not have believed you. But fine tuning my critical thinking skills here at LGF has made a difference. Nothing anyone said here made me see Rush in a different light. It was all stuff he said during the election season that made me go- huh? For some- it's just too traumatic to do this. This is why people stay in abusive relationships, go along with the crowd... It's hard to turn a critical eye on those we love/admire.
Thanks, Sharmuta. That makes a fair amount of sense. I come from the other side of the aisle, and I was attracted to the site because of its anti-idiotarian stand, especially in regards to science and religion in politics. This seems to be weeding process here.
397 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:09:53pm |
Conservative Physicist -
The picture is even simpler.
For years the right has cheered on Charles for pointing out the lunacy that attached itself to the left. The question to those who called themselves center-left was simple - can't you call out these people? Can't you confront them?
Well - 9/12 photos force the center-right to answer the same question. They don't want to.
Those who are asking the question have now learned that asking such questions is a basis for exclusion from the right.
So how can these questions be asked?
398 | freetoken Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:09:53pm |
Hmmm... I missed a flounce, and from a late-night-er too...
Oh well...
I'm working on learning web design - the options are overwhelming, to say the least. The monster that the [Link: WWW...] become is hard to get my brain around... but I'm sure someday in the next century some historian will be able to look back and put it all in perspective.
Was it a blessing, or a curse?
399 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:11:45pm |
re: #394 Shug
Ice, I need to ask you again: In what way does Zombie cherrypick his photos? His essays have always struck me as fair and well presented.
400 | Ben G. Hazi Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:12:28pm |
re: #395 Sharmuta
Charles is making people take a good, hard look at what it is they're supporting and/or themselves, and it's too much for some people to handle.
Apparently...let's hope for BatGuano to resist the baser urges to go over to the Deuce or the like.
402 | Ben G. Hazi Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:14:42pm |
re: #51 iceweasel
Zombie is the source for cherrypicked photos of Code Pink people in Sf or Berkeley at antiwar protests.
These photos are widely available in the flickr streams of anyone who attended the event, and demonstrate that these photos are NOT cherrypicked or misrepresentative of the event. Google is your friend.
Ice, if you think that zombie "cherrypicks" their photos of the events he/she/it has covered, you'd be sorely mistaken.
/have you ever read zombietime?
403 | Shug Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:15:55pm |
404 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:17:12pm |
re: #403 Shug
No- I've been reading about her defense of a book on intelligence tests. She claimed it wasn't refuted, and that was flat out wrong.
405 | swamprat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:17:34pm |
re: #401 Sharmuta
Yeah, I agree with Shug. Zombie's 'bout obsessive. "Thorough" might be an understatement.
406 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:17:56pm |
re: #400 talon_262
Apparently...let's hope for BatGuano to resist the baser urges to go over to the Deuce or the like.
Don't see him over there. They do think they "outed" Defenseman though.
407 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:18:17pm |
We may have a serious problem. This just came up at Rodan's place.
8. Rodan on 19 September, 2009 at 10:23 pm reply
re: #5 by LanceKates
OT- I now know who Defenseman is for certain. It’s not Hoosier Hoops. It’s Honorary Yooper and I also know his real name.
15. Jerry on 19 September, 2009 at 10:48 pm reply
re: #8 by Rodan
Keep it quiet. Lets not get another Irish whore incident.
16. Rodan on 19 September, 2009 at 10:55 pm reply
re: #15 by Jerry
I’m not posting the information here. However an allied site will.
This is not good. HY may have some real life problems.
408 | J.D. Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:18:32pm |
re: #397 karmic_inquisitor
The question to those who called themselves center-left was simple - can't you call out these people? Can't you confront them?
The center-left confronted them? Who?
They were ignored by the media to a large extent, it seemed to me.
409 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:18:59pm |
re: #405 swamprat
Then there was the study she posted on homosexual activity in San Fran that was completely fraudulent. Are you guys sure you want to learn this?
410 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:19:29pm |
re: #394 Shug
The most meticulous with the exception being Charles Johnson, who has always supported Zombie. That would be my reading. Worth what you paid for it...
411 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:20:28pm |
What was that I was just saying about scrutiny with people we've come to admire... Not sure you guys are ready to handle.
412 | swamprat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:20:59pm |
re: #409 Sharmuta
Really? There were pictures. Seemed pretty clear. Were they taken at some other outdoor event?
413 | Ben G. Hazi Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:21:04pm |
re: #409 Sharmuta
Then there was the study she posted on homosexual activity in San Fran that was completely fraudulent. Are you guys sure you want to learn this?
Surely zombie's not gone "rogue"...
414 | BryanS Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:21:16pm |
re: #395 Sharmuta
Charles is making people take a good, hard look at what it is they're supporting and/or themselves, and it's too much for some people to handle.
That's true about all manners of things in life. Just look at academia and their ossified intellectual frame of mind. Questioning the status quo and your own beliefs is a good thing to do. The reason the left has such a hard time coming up with coherent arguments is that they never critically analyze their own points of view. It would be a shame if that were to happen on the right.
415 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:21:36pm |
re: #409 Sharmuta
Yes, if there are charges of fraud, I would like to hear them broadcast in public.
416 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:21:52pm |
re: #399 Dark_Falcon
Ice, I need to ask you again: In what way does Zombie cherrypick his photos? His essays have always struck me as fair and well presented.
Talon, DF, Shug-
Before this turns into a flame war, let's all take a breath. Does Zombie "edit" its posts for maximum impact?
Most obviously, yes.
Does Zombie bring a preconceived point of view to what it wants to present on Zobietime? Most obviously, yes. It edits what it presents and writes on what it selects.
Is "edit" different from "cherrypicking"? Yes. "Cherrypicking" is a much more loaded, emotional term, and I wish Ice hadn't used it. But there is no doubt that Zombietime presents the editorial view of its author.
And there is nothing wrong with that. It's a blog site, not a peer reviewed journal.
418 | Conservative Physicist Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:23:00pm |
re: #381 Thanos
I know the pics were pulled from other sites, but here's LGF posting these pictures with no inclination as to their context. You see one thing, I see another...
I know those references refer to tyrants...and to many Obama seems like a tyrant who is not listening to the average american. Michelle Obama talks about conservation, growing a garden, etc and then spends probably hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on going to the market. If that doesn't scream Marie Antoinette then I don't know what does!
I posted the following on my facebook page about a month or so ago
"Explain how a Ras poll in May says that 68% of people polled have health insurance they rate as good or excellent, 74% polled rate the quality of the care they receive as good or excellent, and 50% believe Obama's healthcare reform will lead to ...a DECREASE in the quality of care."
But Obama insists that his healthcare reform must pass but the majority of americans are happy with their health insurance. To me, that's a tyrant who is forcing the majority of americans to do something they don't want to do.
Gun control...how do I know congress and/or the president would lose if they pushed this issue? So many dems support gun control, look at the restrictions all across the country. You're right, there are people challenging the laws (gun free zone challenge comes to mind), but I would be afraid of an ultra-liberal in office deciding to take on this issue if I owned a gun.
Also, just because Bush sr and jr did it STILL doesn't make it right.
And lastly, of course congress (pelosi et al) passes the bills, but Obama is the leader of his party and is the one who must set the tone, ie...the buck stops here and if its on his watch he gets the credit and/or the blame.
419 | Shug Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:23:18pm |
Something has changed in these comments threads.
and hardly anybody stuck up for Zombie.
Charles, you're a cool guy.
all the best
some of you folks need to get out more
:)
420 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:23:59pm |
re: #395 Sharmuta
I for one have found it instructional, educational, and thought provoking. Self reflection is very important when it comes to how you live your life.
I am probably going to screw this up, but IIRC, the ancient Japanese believed int three major sources of personal power. The Power of Gold, The Power of Steel, and The Power of The Mirror.
The Powers of Gold and Steel are pretty much self explanatory. Wealth and Brute Force.
The greatest power of the three, in their estimation, was the Power of The Mirror. The ability to look at one's self in the mirror, to fully understand one's self through honest introspection.
Right now, it seems that all of Wingnutia is mindlessly grasping for Gold and Steel while willfully crushing Mirrors under foot.
421 | Randall Gross Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:24:02pm |
What are you trying to say here Sharm? That Z photoshopped the Folsom street Fair or something? Well they did. There's a version with the grosser parts blotted out.
I lived in SF for a few years, Zombie's not "cherry picking" anything, I saw similar crazy many times while I lived there. You might not agree with Zombie, but "fraudulent" is over the top.
422 | Racer X Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:25:35pm |
re: #417 Sharmuta
I'm talking about this:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
That looks to me like zombie googled something and posted it.
423 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:25:41pm |
re: #421 Thanos
I'm saying the "meticulous" label is not true.
424 | BlackFedora Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:25:54pm |
Fluoride in the drinking water? That is so 1950s...
426 | Randall Gross Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:26:47pm |
re: #418 Conservative Physicist
That point about the next election being congressional, and that congress is the body creating the bad legislation just went right over your head didn't it?
427 | Racer X Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:26:54pm |
428 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:26:58pm |
re: #421 Thanos
What are you trying to say here Sharm? That Z photoshopped the Folsom street Fair or something? Well they did. There's a version with the grosser parts blotted out.
I lived in SF for a few years, Zombie's not "cherry picking" anything, I saw similar crazy many times while I lived there. You might not agree with Zombie, but "fraudulent" is over the top.
I don't think his last street pictures were the Folsom St. Fair but a different event. He was purposely "cherry-picking" and admitted doing so to show specifically things that the MSM reporters and cameras avoided like the plague.
Not defending everything he/she has ever written, just that specific example is a bad example to try to prove an out of control bias.
429 | swamprat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:27:05pm |
re: #417 Sharmuta
Erroneous beliefs based upon incorrect info is usually called error, not fraud.
430 | Ben G. Hazi Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:27:15pm |
re: #421 Thanos
What are you trying to say here Sharm? That Z photoshopped the Folsom street Fair or something? Well they did. There's a version with the grosser parts blotted out.
I lived in SF for a few years, Zombie's not "cherry picking" anything, I saw similar crazy many times while I lived there. You might not agree with Zombie, but "fraudulent" is over the top.
I think I get what Sharm was saying ...in the post she linked to, zombie had referenced a report that used Kinsey Institute stuff as a source. SixDegrees was telling zombie that the Kinsey Institute stuff is bunk.
/someone correct me if I'm wrong...
432 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:27:32pm |
re: #429 swamprat
Which is why I never said anything about fraud.
433 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:27:32pm |
435 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:27:50pm |
re: #417 Sharmuta
I'm talking about this:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Going to the Folsom Street Fair to get a summary view of the gay community is like going to Burning Man to get a summary view of the heterosexual community.
Kinsey's work is generally useless in this day and age.
Of course if you photograph human behavior in the Bay Are it is natural to get an extreme view of any number of groups. That's the problem of course and so if one sees said photo of Folsom Street Fair they're bound to get a minority representation. Things change vastly outside of the Bay Area.
436 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:28:17pm |
re: #423 Sharmuta
I'm saying the "meticulous" label is not true.
And I am respectfully saying you are in error. Zombie has always shown great care in what he posts.
437 | Randall Gross Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:29:34pm |
re: #425 Sharmuta
re: #430 talon_262
I think I get what Sharm was saying ...in the post she linked to, zombie had referenced a report that used Kinsey Institute stuff as a source. SixDegrees was telling zombie that the Kinsey Institute stuff is bunk.
/someone correct me if I'm wrong...
That's a comment here, it's not his / her / its blog, and if you culled through hundreds of posts of any longtime lizard you could find instances where they were undeniably wrong. This isn't Zombie's site, it's an open debate/discussion where we all learn and grow.
438 | swamprat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:29:38pm |
re: #432 Sharmuta
Which is why I never said anything about fraud.
Then there was the study she posted on homosexual activity in San Fran that was completely fraudulent. Are you guys sure you want to learn this?
440 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:31:14pm |
re: #438 swamprat
Right- because it showed a lack of meticulousness.
441 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:31:40pm |
I am going to try to defend zombie for those who are looking more skeptically at him/her.
Zombie comes from an environment of unwitting indoctrination. Based on what Zombie has posted here over the years we know s/he comes from an academic background and operates largely in an academic environment in one of the most ideologically intolerant places in this country.
Zombie had a "wake up" and used many of the techniques that form much of the backbone of modern linguistics and social sciences and discovered that s/he was living in a shockingly narrow, stilted and controlling environment. Much of what Zombie posts is essentially an attempt at negation (in the Marcusian sense) against that environment.
Zombie is still there and cannot not be there. As someone who moved from that environment to southern california I found the old environment suffocating and have rediscovered that so is my new environment. But Z is still there.
So I don't support the "cherry picking" assertion. I support an assertion of "focused". And it is an interesting concept when you look at his/her use of taking a media picture of an event where s/he shows the event "outside the frame".
But that "outside the frame" itself is a frame - one of Zombies choosing. One that sharpens the subversive aspects of negation. I support what Zombie does and think I know where Zombie has been. Zombie won't be coming down to Orange County to photograph the John Birchers. S/he knows his/her place and wants to undermine its power over him/her.
i support him/her in that and confine the insights he/she provides to that context.
442 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:31:49pm |
re: #438 swamprat
Swamprat, it's not about you...
WHY ARE WE ALL EATING OUR OWN HERE?
Thank you for listening, we now return you to your normal programming.
443 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:32:12pm |
re: #419 Shug
I'm behind the curve, or thread as it were, so don't make too many assumptions.
I assume you will be "getting out" more yourself, now. Good luck.
444 | Randall Gross Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:32:17pm |
re: #435 Gus 802
It wasn't a summary view of the gay community. It was a summary view of the Folsom st. Fair.
445 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:32:24pm |
446 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:32:40pm |
re: #399 Dark_Falcon
Ice, I need to ask you again: In what way does Zombie cherrypick his photos? His essays have always struck me as fair and well presented.
Well, here's three examples in reference to her/his recent embarrassing Holdren debacle:
"Description misrepresented as endorsement"
The Most Recent Counterfactual Attack Against the Obama Admin
Notice that these are from scientists and/or science blogs, pointing out the distortions, misreadings, and misunderstandings.
---
I have several more examples, but it'd be fairest, I think, to get into them when they come up and/or when Zombie is here. You can search my archives for a number of takedowns, most recently with respect to the "The MSM didn't report on threats against Bush" posts.
Finally, as to the photos Zombie took of antiwar rallies-- well, i was not in the US for many of those years and the antiwar protests I attended were in another country. I've spent enough time in SF and Berkeley to find it plausible that the most extreme protest fringe would be there, and I didn't find the photos implausible.
Until I happened to attend one of the rallies she photographed, and I can vouch that it looked nothing on the ground like it did on her blog. Or his. Lots of photos of fringe freaks-- none of the many, many, many normal people turning up.
So my awareness of zombie, and my tentative opinion, was formed long before I registered here. Nothing has disconfirmed it; in fact, it's only been confirmed all the more.
BTW, she recently made a wholly unsupported claim that Van Jones had attended truther rallies-- and then vanished, then materialised after he resigned claiming it was due to her seekrit info on him, which she had allegedly leaked to MSM news sources. As i remarked at the time, it's pretty odd that the MSM wouldn't publish that info anyway, isn't it? You know Beck, Rush, et al would love to run with it.
So those are some of my issues.
447 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:33:03pm |
re: #444 Thanos
It wasn't a summary view of the gay community. It was a summary view of the Folsom st. Fair.
But that's the nub in some of this. People have a tendency to see it as the norm.
448 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:34:53pm |
re: #439 Sharmuta
I don't see anything gravely wrong with that post. He was trying to honestly deal with the science. He wasn't entirely right about The Bell Curve, but his post was basically sound.
450 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:35:48pm |
re: #449 Sharmuta
That thread is an interesting read.
I was searching left and right. Kinsey I believe did his study based on a highly sexually active sample group in a highly sexually active area.
451 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:37:15pm |
re: #448 Dark_Falcon
Shortly after publication, many people rallied both in criticism and defense of the book. Some critics denounced the book and its authors as supporting scientific racism.
Knock yourself out defending that shit. I'm not joining you.
452 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:37:31pm |
No wait. That's from 2007? Damn, that was repeated it again this year.
453 | swamprat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:37:35pm |
re: #442 Floral Giraffe
Swamprat, it's not about you...
WHY ARE WE ALL EATING OUR OWN HERE?
Thank you for listening, we now return you to your normal programming.
I think maybe Sharm couldn't think of the right word. I see what she meant. Less than meticulous in that part.. Not that the photos were staged. It is getting late. I was worried about photoshop, or some such. She caught a major faux pas.
456 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:38:59pm |
re: #441 karmic_inquisitor
Fair enough- but I know zombie cherrypicked photos of the rally I attended, I know she cherrypicked data about Holdren (or simply does not understand how academia or science work), I know she stated the Bell Curve has not been refuted when it has, I know she cherrypicked studies from 30 years ago, before the advent of AIDS, about gay male sexual behaviour in bathhouses in SF as representative of the sexual promiscuity of all gay men everywhere everytime-- and I know that all her errors mysteriously always benefit a so-con agenda.
We're all entitled to our own opinions, of course, and i fully support everyone always looking at the evidence -- all the evidence -- and drawing their own conclusions.
And that's my last word on it tonight.
457 | Neutral President Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:39:06pm |
re: #447 Gus 802
But that's the nub in some of this. People have a tendency to see it as the norm.
I don't believe that it was the intention of Zombie to use that event to make broad generalizations about gays. IIRC, his/her whole point of covering the event was to document proof that people were having sexual intercourse in public, outdoors in broad daylight. The event organizers, the SFPD, and the San Francisco media all denied this, so he/she went to get evidence.
If there was an implied "all teh gheyz are leik this!!11!" I did not catch it.
458 | Randall Gross Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:39:45pm |
re: #447 Gus 802
But that's the nub in some of this. People have a tendency to see it as the norm.
Can you qualify who you mean by "people" ? Should reality not be reported because some people might misinterpret it?
459 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:42:23pm |
re: #453 swamprat
I think maybe Sharm couldn't think of the right word. I see what she meant. Less than meticulous in that part.. Not that the photos were staged. It is getting late. I was worried about photoshop, or some such. She caught a major faux pas.
No. I wouldn't accuse zombie of photoshop. Absolutely not.
460 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:43:07pm |
re: #453 swamprat
I didn't say shit about photos being staged- that was everyone else jumping to conclusions.
461 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:43:20pm |
re: #451 Sharmuta
That's one thing I won't do. I don't talk about racial issues like that, except with my family and two close friend whom I trust absolutely. I don't really know much about The Bell Curve, and I'm going to retract my #448, rather than defend it. That post was a mistake, and I withdraw my contention.
462 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:43:43pm |
re: #457 ArchangelMichael
I don't believe that it was the intention of Zombie to use that event to make broad generalizations about gays. IIRC, his/her whole point of covering the event was to document proof that people were having sexual intercourse in public, outdoors in broad daylight. The event organizers, the SFPD, and the San Francisco media all denied this, so he/she went to get evidence.
If there was an implied "all teh gheyz are leik this!!11!" I did not catch it.
I don't know. I have mixed feelings about this. It's just journalism anyway which can be used anyway one cares to. I've made comments here in this article that can be construed as biased based on the photos above. I think I've engaged Zombie on this here before and she/he usually listens. I think we should be able to freely discuss this regardless.
463 | swamprat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:44:38pm |
re: #454 Sharmuta
Interesting. You were right. Not sure I needed to know. I don't think it is too unnatural for a zombie to have feet of clay.
464 | MrPaulRevere Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:45:16pm |
This Zombie bashing is out of control, its like a weird feeding frenzy.
465 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:45:29pm |
re: #458 Thanos
Can you qualify who you mean by "people" ? Should reality not be reported because some people might misinterpret it?
Negative. I mean, yes. They should. Hell, I'm doing it with the 912dc protest to be honest.
466 | swamprat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:45:42pm |
re: #460 Sharmuta
You are correct. That's why I wanted to know the straight skinny.
467 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:45:50pm |
re: #464 MrPaulRevere
Do you think it's cool s/he defended a racist science book?
468 | Randall Gross Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:46:26pm |
re: #446 iceweasel
Until I happened to attend one of the rallies she photographed, and I can vouch that it looked nothing on the ground like it did on her blog. Or his. Lots of photos of fringe freaks-- none of the many, many, many normal people turning up.
Well since he/she/it knows that the MSM reports on the whole protest, what would be the point? It's very clear in almost every post that Zombie is saying "here's what the MSM edits out". It's also pertinent that in SF UFPJ, Answer, Code Pink, and WCW were the organizers of many of these demos, the same charge we are laying against the organizers of the tea parties.
/the extremes on both sides are often the foot soldiers for these events because average Americans, left and right, have lives.
469 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:47:50pm |
re: #434 freedomplow
I'll stick up for Zombie.
A few comments here or there... I should be in the Gulag by now.Obsession is a disorder.
Thing is, a lot of very dodgy people have been 'sticking up' most fervently for Zombie these days.
And speaking of dodgy people, freedomplow - that's an interesting bunch of folk you have on your blogroll there:
Power Line
Riehlworldview
Michelle Malkin
JammieWearingFool
Hot Air
Carl in Jerusalem
471 | Gus Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:48:43pm |
We should be able to freely debate whatever we choose.
472 | Ben G. Hazi Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:48:48pm |
re: #467 Sharmuta
Do you think it's cool s/he defended a racist science book?
To be honest, that thread is almost two years old and more has been said on the subject much more recently, IIRC.
I'd be interested to see if zombie's view on The Bell Curve has changed since then...
473 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:48:53pm |
re: #456 iceweasel
Fair enough- but I know zombie cherrypicked photos of the rally I attended, I know she cherrypicked data about Holdren (or simply does not understand how academia or science work), I know she stated the Bell Curve has not been refuted when it has, I know she cherrypicked studies from 30 years ago, before the advent of AIDS, about gay male sexual behaviour in bathhouses in SF as representative of the sexual promiscuity of all gay men everywhere everytime-- and I know that all her errors mysteriously always benefit a so-con agenda.
We're all entitled to our own opinions, of course, and i fully support everyone always looking at the evidence -- all the evidence -- and drawing their own conclusions.
And that's my last word on it tonight.
I understand the points you are making. Having spent many days in Berkeley, I know that you see a whole lot of different things - many of which are just humdrum normal. But when you take a camera to a place, where you point it is a choice and it usually is one made in terms of wanting to highlight something in that place. People in Paris take pictures of the Eiffel Tower and not close ups of the cobblestones. Yet the cobblestones make up a bigger part of the experience (and the history when you know who they have been thrown at).
Zombie is being the radical s/he was trained to be against the system that trained her/him and will bring focus to what s/he sees as the mechanisms of the machine. S/he also knows (from that very environment) that getting caught up in a fraud will destroy everything s/he has worked for. So perhaps your skepticism is welcomed. Just the same, bringing focus and cherry picking become hard to distinguish within the context of rhetoric.
474 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:49:35pm |
475 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:49:52pm |
re: #464 MrPaulRevere
This Zombie bashing is out of control, its like a weird feeding frenzy.
No one is 'bashing'. A question was asked; I answered. Others have more to discuss or contribute on the topic. And why shouldn't they?
If you'll notice, I even said I'd prefer for people to search my archives for places where I engaged zombie directly, as I feel that is more fair than me presenting only my side when she/he is not here.
Zombie herself claims to want criticism, by the way. She's even hat-tipped me and Jimmah in the past. I think if she's okay with criticism, you ought to be.
476 | Randall Gross Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:50:25pm |
re: #474 Jimmah
Did I say everyone who is a fan of Zombie is dodgy?
Answering a question with a question is passive agressive.
477 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:51:47pm |
re: #473 karmic_inquisitor
I'd suggest reading the other criticisms as well. Not merely the ones about anti-war photos. Look into the Holden debacle and the cherrypicking there.
There is a pattern.
478 | Ben G. Hazi Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:51:51pm |
479 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:52:33pm |
480 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:52:34pm |
481 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:53:52pm |
482 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:53:55pm |
re: #474 Jimmah
Did I say everyone who is a fan of Zombie is dodgy?
This isn't a dig.
Just an thought to share -
But that response represents the imprecision with which many are attacking Zombie. I am not sure that Zombie would say that everyone who goes to an anti war protest is represented by what s/he photographs. If that is the impression one is left with it is similar to someone condemning you for calling all Zombie supporters dodgy (which you didn't)
483 | MrPaulRevere Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:54:59pm |
re: #467 Sharmuta
Freeze the target and polarize it: Straight out of the Alinsky playbook.
484 | swamprat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:56:32pm |
I like Zombie. And Sharm. He posts what the news agencies hide. He digs deep. With all that is on zomblog, I am surprised there is as little inaccuracies as there are. I find the info to be solid. Nobody is perfect.
How did I get in this?
485 | Sharmuta Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:56:42pm |
re: #483 MrPaulRevere
Freeze the target and polarize it: Straight out of the Alinsky playbook.
You mean about Holdren? Could be...
486 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:56:44pm |
re: #483 MrPaulRevere
Downding for the bad comparison. Sharmuta is not an Alinskyite. You're better than that, Paul.
487 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:57:02pm |
re: #482 karmic_inquisitor
This isn't a dig.
Just an thought to share -
But that response represents the imprecision with which many are attacking Zombie. I am not sure that Zombie would say that everyone who goes to an anti war protest is represented by what s/he photographs.
i'm sure she'd say the opposite. She'd doubtless say that 'this doesn't represent all antiwar protesters, just some. '
It's called 'plausible deniability'.
She also employs it when she chooses to highlight only photos of the Folsom St Fair, and not, say, normal Gay Pride parades.
488 | karmic_inquisitor Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:57:26pm |
re: #477 iceweasel
I'd suggest reading the other criticisms as well. Not merely the ones about anti-war photos. Look into the Holden debacle and the cherrypicking there.
There is a pattern.
Without getting into details about what I think Zombie does for a living, I assume there is a pattern and that, empirically, is unfair. But I would also assume that Zombie knows how to argue that there is nothing in language that can bring us an empirical viewpoint and therefore a fair outcome. Just a point of view.
489 | swamprat Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:57:58pm |
490 | BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:58:43pm |
re: #486 Dark_Falcon
Downding for the bad comparison. Sharmuta is not an Alinskyite. You're better than that, Paul.
Well said.
No one is 'freezing' or 'polarising' anyone here.
491 | MrPaulRevere Sat, Sep 19, 2009 11:59:08pm |
re: #486 Dark_Falcon
I have to call it like I see it. I'm beyond personalities at this point.
492 | Sharmuta Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:02:28am |
Archie- I asked weeks ago if you wanted to know, and you didn't answer, so I assumed you didn't. That made me sad, but I understood too. Makes me sad that I'm somehow less believable in your eyes- that you couldn't give me the same sort of consideration, but all I can do is ask you to consider what I'm saying.
Find me one comment from zombie denouncing Robert Spencer for his attacks on Charles, and I'll reconsider my position.
494 | Randall Gross Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:02:44am |
re: #487 iceweasel
i'm sure she'd say the opposite. She'd doubtless say that 'this doesn't represent all antiwar protesters, just some. '
It's called 'plausible deniability'.
She also employs it when she chooses to highlight only photos of the Folsom St Fair, and not, say, normal Gay Pride parades.
Once again normal Gay Pride Parades get coverage, Folsom st. Fairs don't. Zombie covers things others do not. You might not like what they report on, or agree with there views, but it is what it is.
495 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:03:19am |
re: #488 karmic_inquisitor
Without getting into details about what I think Zombie does for a living, I assume there is a pattern and that, empirically, is unfair. But I would also assume that Zombie knows how to argue that there is nothing in language that can bring us an empirical viewpoint and therefore a fair outcome. Just a point of view.
And that is an argument that she would lose, without getting into details about what I, or others here, do for a living.
BTW, that's a rather odd standpoint for someone to take when criticising some science as zombie does, isn't it?
Like Holdren? Like endorsing the Bell Curve? Like pretending that 30 year old pre-AIDS studies accurately reflect the sexual mores and practices of the entire gay community today?
That faux po-mo academe speak isn't going to play there, you know.
But-- I'm breaking what I said earlier. I'd rather not weigh in personally until Z is around, as it's unfair-- and people can search my archives for several of our exchanges, if so inclined.
497 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:04:15am |
The people on 2.0 seem to be major zombie fans. And at Hot Air, and Ace of Spades. I'm noticing that a lot of people who hate LGF these days (not everyone, mind) love zombie.
For whatever reason, it seems that those who liked LGF 'the way it used to be' and hate the way it is now see in zombie hope that the clock can somehow be turned back. That's what I'm getting from reading what his/her fans on various wingnut sites.
I find zombies recent output to be either about deflecting criticism of the right or more disturbingly, generating scare stories by misreading science - stories which are then gleefully picked up by the likes of Glenn Beck, Pamela Geller etc. That's why she appeals to the nutters out there these days- and why she disturbs me.
498 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:05:19am |
re: #493 freedomplow
That's disgusting and betrays a fondness for using homophobic slurs that i would expect from someone with that blogroll.
499 | Randall Gross Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:05:43am |
re: #496 OneGod
Even the MSM didn't consider these guys worth their precious air time!
Actually CNN did a pretty good segment on it, Charles posted it.
500 | MrPaulRevere Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:06:41am |
re: #483 MrPaulRevere
Freeze the target and polarize it: Straight out of the Alinsky playbook.
re: #497 Jimmah
The people on 2.0 seem to be major zombie fans. And at Hot Air, and Ace of Spades. I'm noticing that a lot of people who hate LGF these days (not everyone, mind) love zombie.
For whatever reason, it seems that those who liked LGF 'the way it used to be' and hate the way it is now see in zombie hope that the clock can somehow be turned back. That's what I'm getting from reading what his/her fans on various wingnut sites.
I find zombies recent output to be either about deflecting criticism of the right or more disturbingly, generating scare stories by misreading science - stories which are then gleefully picked up by the likes of Glenn Beck, Pamela Geller etc. That's why she appeals to the nutters out there these days- and why she disturbs me.
I rest my case.
501 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:07:55am |
re: #494 Thanos
Once again normal Gay Pride Parades get coverage, Folsom st. Fairs don't. Zombie covers things others do not. You might not like what they report on, or agree with there views, but it is what it is.
I'd respectfully disagree with you, Thanos, and I suspect that I've been following her posts on gay issues more closely than you have. You might want to take a look at her total output on the topic, there and here, before drawing a conclusion.
502 | karmic_inquisitor Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:07:59am |
re: #487 iceweasel
i'm sure she'd say the opposite. She'd doubtless say that 'this doesn't represent all antiwar protesters, just some. '
It's called 'plausible deniability'.
She also employs it when she chooses to highlight only photos of the Folsom St Fair, and not, say, normal Gay Pride parades.
Good point.
For middle America, the Folsom Street Fair pics present a distortion. But if you look at things from the standpoint of generating shock, the pictures are of events that did happen and that are intrinsically shocking. Misleading? To the extend they are intended to represent a whole - absolutely. But as artifacts of what that whole goes along with and has "metabolized" to a degree, I don't think they are misrepresentations.
503 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:08:24am |
re: #496 OneGod
Finally something we can agree on here! Dogpile on the troll!
504 | swamprat Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:08:27am |
re: #496 OneGod
Then start your own blog, troll. And go take a flyer. we have bigger issues.
505 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:08:59am |
re: #496 OneGod
This is stupidity. Even the MSM didn't consider these guys worth their precious air time!
506 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:09:09am |
re: #493 freedomplow
I saw the crap that you posted before. It doesn't impress me at all.
Am I supposed to get all concerned about it?
You can blow me if you want. It will cost you a hundred though.
Thanks for proving my point about dodgy people, moron.
507 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:09:25am |
re: #497 Jimmah
The people on 2.0 seem to be major zombie fans. And at Hot Air, and Ace of Spades. I'm noticing that a lot of people who hate LGF these days (not everyone, mind) love zombie.
For whatever reason, it seems that those who liked LGF 'the way it used to be' and hate the way it is now see in zombie hope that the clock can somehow be turned back. That's what I'm getting from reading what his/her fans on various wingnut sites.
I find zombies recent output to be either about deflecting criticism of the right or more disturbingly, generating scare stories by misreading science - stories which are then gleefully picked up by the likes of Glenn Beck, Pamela Geller etc. That's why she appeals to the nutters out there these days- and why she disturbs me.
So you're basically saying zombie has gone "rogue", in your estimation...
509 | swamprat Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:12:41am |
510 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:12:46am |
re: #500 MrPaulRevere
I rest my case.
The Alinsky playbook? Never seen a copy, but I hear it's number two on the wingnut bestseller list these days, right behind the Doughy Pantload.
511 | Sharmuta Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:12:58am |
re: #508 freedomplow
That and a buck fifty will get you a Coke. So what?
513 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:14:01am |
514 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:14:02am |
re: #508 freedomplow
You weren't asking a chick, and you weren't asking Iceweasle. And you weren't asking.
515 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:14:14am |
re: #497 Jimmah
The thing I don't understand is that normal debate is discouraged. It's seen as an attack on the institution of sorts. There's no room for growth if there is no debate.
Do we take the criticism of Dr. Holdren at face value ot do we analyze, fact check, and debate? Do we make a judgment based on a co-authorship from the early 1970s for example or do we consider room for growth and changing ideologies of people? Whittaker Chambers for example who went from being a communist to anti-communist. Do we make assessments of people based on co-authorship done nearly 38 years ago?
516 | karmic_inquisitor Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:14:37am |
re: #495 iceweasel
And that is an argument that she would lose, without getting into details about what I, or others here, do for a living.
BTW, that's a rather odd standpoint for someone to take when criticising some science as zombie does, isn't it?
Like Holdren? Like endorsing the Bell Curve? Like pretending that 30 year old pre-AIDS studies accurately reflect the sexual mores and practices of the entire gay community today?
That faux po-mo academe speak isn't going to play there, you know.
But-- I'm breaking what I said earlier. I'd rather not weigh in personally until Z is around, as it's unfair-- and people can search my archives for several of our exchanges, if so inclined.
Frankly, I haven't been engaging on Zombie and science. Not his/her field I suspect. What Zombie is good at is subversion via photographs. Subversion in his/her environment which is what I have tried to focus on.
517 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:17:08am |
re: #502 karmic_inquisitor
Good point.
For middle America, the Folsom Street Fair pics present a distortion. But if you look at things from the standpoint of generating shock, the pictures are of events that did happen and that are intrinsically shocking. Misleading? To the extend they are intended to represent a whole - absolutely. But as artifacts of what that whole goes along with and has "metabolized" to a degree, I don't think they are misrepresentations.
I have a real issue with that. Those photos are taken, by some people, to represent the whole community. And there is a valid argument to be made here, like "You can't control how other people will read or interpret you" -- fair enough. But it's part of a pattern and that's what disturbs me.
And I do feel bad discussing it when zombie isn't here because it doesn't seem fair-- but it's come up before. That's why the 'only reporting the facts' line just doesn't work for me. Too many other 'errors' trend in that exact same direction.
Like the one about citing 30 year old pre-AIDS, SF bathhouse scene stats as if they revealed truth about all gay male behaviour at all places and times. (If you just wanted to claim that gay men have on average more partners than gay women, straight men, and straight women, that can be done with much newer stats-- but she went straight for the ones likely to foment the most outrage. Why? She's smart enough to know better, and 5 seconds on google would have given her better sources. She didn't do that.)
And other dubious shit too, like claiming that homosexuality isn't found in the animal kingdom or something wacky like that. I don't recall the details, but it was when I first got here and the first convo she and I had-- she wasn't happy to get evidence that disconfirmed that, even though she'd posted claiming she wanted that.
like I said-- there's a pattern here. And Z is smart enough to know better, which is why i react as I do to it.
518 | Randall Gross Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:18:23am |
re: #501 iceweasel
I'll go back and check, but I don't suspect Zombie to be a closet fundamentalist if that's what you are getting at. Time for me to get some sleeps here, the flu's catching up and I suppose I ought to get back in synch with 9-5 after a week of odd hour crises at work.
519 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:18:24am |
re: #508 freedomplow
Freedomplow, may give you some advice? Call it a night. Get some sleep and then take a good, hard look at your blogroll in the morning. Don't let butthurt drive you to foolish actions.
520 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:19:39am |
re: #508 freedomplow
It's too bad that I can prove you wrong. 3 years ago Charles kicked some phobe off of lgf because I called him out.
You can still blow me. I thought you were a chick and I was asking nicely.
Apologize.
521 | Hector1980 Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:19:52am |
Despite not being from the U.S. I greatly admire your Founding Fathers. It annoys me when morons use that Jefferson quote without really understanding and using it for whatever purpose their small minds deem fit.
But whoever made that sign about murdering '80% of the world' is just hilarious.
522 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:20:18am |
re: #515 Gus 802
The thing I don't understand is that normal debate is discouraged. It's seen as an attack on the institution of sorts. There's no room for growth if there is no debate.
Do we take the criticism of Dr. Holdren at face value ot do we analyze, fact check, and debate? Do we make a judgment based on a co-authorship from the early 1970s for example or do we consider room for growth and changing ideologies of people? Whittaker Chambers for example who went from being a communist to anti-communist. Do we make assessments of people based on co-authorship done nearly 38 years ago?
Good points, Gus. And also, there is the basic problem in that zombies 'expose' of Holdren's work relies on a fundamental misread - one that takes description to be endorsement. That's just wrong.
523 | swamprat Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:21:21am |
So how many pissing contests are we running concurently?
I make it 3.
Please tell me this is water.
524 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:22:16am |
re: #516 karmic_inquisitor
Frankly, I haven't been engaging on Zombie and science. Not his/her field I suspect. What Zombie is good at is subversion via photographs. Subversion in his/her environment which is what I have tried to focus on.
Understood. And you'd be right that science is not his/her field, if the Holdren stuff is anything to go by.
i have an issue with the subversion by photo method you're claiming, for the reasons given. Looks less like subversion or citizen journalism and more like propaganda or spin to me. But this is my opinion.
I'd have a very different view of zombie if he or she were now going underground at right wing events and documenting the crazy there, instead of digging up old photos from 2002-2006 and arguing that Obama isn't really getting more death threats than Bush or whatever. The first would look like he/she really is just interested in exposing kookery; the reality looks like partisan hackery with an agenda.
525 | BryanS Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:23:04am |
Yikes! All this mau-mauing--maybe it would be good to change the topic, eh?
526 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:23:09am |
re: #8 HelloDare
-- FBI agents arrest Najibullah Zazi, a Colorado resident recently questioned about an alleged U.S. terror plot.
Is that why the Denver airport people kept telling us threat was at orange?
527 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:23:15am |
re: #522 Jimmah
Good points, Gus. And also, there is the basic problem in that zombies 'expose' of Holdren's work relies on a fundamental misread - one that takes description to be endorsement. That's just wrong.
Thanks. It actually didn't hit me until I started reading some of Dr. Emanuel's works. Then I reflected on my own writings when I was in my 20s.
One thing that struck me was an idea that I first misunderstood written in a blog that critiqued this: just because I study the devil doesn't mean I worship him. I mentioned that in recent days.
528 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:24:01am |
re: #508 freedomplow
Nice one, dipshit. I think you'll have to go back to humping your crusty li'l sock in rage though.
529 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:24:08am |
530 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:24:14am |
re: #521 Hector1980
Despite not being from the U.S. I greatly admire your Founding Fathers. It annoys me when morons use that Jefferson quote without really understanding and using it for whatever purpose their small minds deem fit.
But whoever made that sign about murdering '80% of the world' is just hilarious.
Hello, Hector. Glad to meet you.
531 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:25:59am |
re: #43 MandyManners
"BARNEY FRANK IS AN IMMORAL SEXUAL DEVIANT"
Is there such a thing as a moral, sexual deviant?
Well, in theory, if you try to insist that 'deviant' simply means 'deviating from the norm', and lacks a negative connotation.
532 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:26:54am |
re: #518 Thanos
I'll go back and check, but I don't suspect Zombie to be a closet fundamentalist if that's what you are getting at.
No, I definitely don't think that.
Feel better and good luck beating off the flu! cheers, iDub
533 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:27:39am |
534 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:29:28am |
re: #96 acwgusa
Good Lord. We're never going to win an election again. It'll be Democrats forever.
Relax. This too shall pass. Although, like a kidney stone, until it passes it's going to be exceedingly uncomfortable.
536 | karmic_inquisitor Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:31:17am |
re: #517 iceweasel
I'll be candid - I haven't been sensitive to his/her statements on homosexuality. I guess I figured I wasn't going to learn anything.
I was raised in the Bay Area, had an uncle die of AIDS early in the epidemic and saw plenty of gay activism as a kid. I remember when Moscone and Milk were shot and I remember the riots afterward. Had plenty of gay teachers. Roomate from college was gay (didn't know at the time). My former brother in law divorced my sister after he fell in love with a guy, but I know he is still a good father and I like him.
So my insensitivity to how Zombie is treating homosexuality either represents a profound indifference on my part perhaps borne of homophobia or I just didn't care to look at the stuff. I just haven't followed what s/he has written about gays.
Yes - I saw the Folsom pics but that probably meant something different to me than some dude in straightville USA.
So I will look into the pattern as you suggest.
537 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:32:40am |
538 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:32:42am |
re: #508 freedomplow
It's too bad that I can prove you wrong. 3 years ago Charles kicked some phobe off of lgf because I called him out.
You can still blow me. I thought you were a chick and I was asking nicely.
Another day on LGF, another silly little rageball flameout.
541 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:37:42am |
re: #535 freedomplow
By 'intolerant', would you mean people who invite male posters to blow him, and suggest that female posters who call him on it also blow him?
Hypocrite.
542 | shimoda Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:38:34am |
So, does any one have any idea how many people belongs to this home schooled, evangelical, angry kookosphere? 10% of the population? 5? 3? 15?...
543 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:39:36am |
Gaze upon it's majesty, and let your conflicts fall to the wayside...
544 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:41:14am |
re: #188 Sharmuta
Anyone tries that in my neck of the woods, and that is the day this frei, intermarried girl covers her hair. And I will not be paying any damn tax, either.
Not sure what planet Mr. Wilders is from, but I don't wanna go there.
545 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:42:27am |
re: #539 freedomplow
Here we go again:
1. Poster says something silly.
2. iceweasel and Jimmah call him on it.
3. Poster reacts not by arguing the facts as Salamantis did, but hurling crude insults and hostility.
4. When the Poster is downdinged for the bad behavior, the Poster reacts with more butthurt.
FP, I'm warning you, I've seen this before and it doesn't end well. Get some sleep and come back in the morning.
546 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:43:55am |
re: #543 Slumbering Behemoth
Gaze upon it's majesty, and let your conflicts fall to the wayside...
What does the Disco Institute have to say about that one, I wonder?
/
549 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:47:44am |
re: #539 freedomplow
By you or your new found rage mob?
Oh good one. When all else fails(and that happened as soon as you opened your mouth) resort to projection. Same old same old.
550 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:47:48am |
re: #536 karmic_inquisitor
Yes - I saw the Folsom pics but that probably meant something different to me than some dude in straightville USA.So I will look into the pattern as you suggest.
I hear you. Similar story here, and the pics would mean something different to me than for the denizens of straightsville too. I think we're on the same page.
I wasn't so much bothered by those pics either. It was the other posts and comments and the pattern that made me start to feel differently, and think about how that dude in straightsville responds. Etc.
It's too bad we don't have the lizard lounge anymore or I'd tell you the other stuff. It's findable-- lots in my own comments--- and when and if zombie turns up and the topic is raised I'll talk about it then. Despite the fevered imagining of some of her more dodgy fans, I'm not out to get her or anything like that. If I were i'd just blitz a thread like this with the links and arguments.
I'd much prefer to do it when she's here and can defend herself, or direct people to the exchanges we had in the past, because then they can get both sides and make a fair decision.
Also, for what it's worth, I'm so confident in my position that I can afford to give her every possible consideration and allow her every attempt to defend her positions--in fact I want that situation; I'm that certain of being right.
551 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:47:53am |
552 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:49:24am |
re: #548 freedomplow
You are warning me?
he's actually offering you friendly, well-intentioned, and astute advice-- but you are too blinded by butthurt and rage to see it.
553 | karmic_inquisitor Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:49:57am |
Alright - so for the first time I just looked at Zombie's photoblog of the Prop 8 ruling protests
[Link: zombietime.com...]
I found this picture compelling - I agree with what is written on the sign.
So I am not sure why Zombie chose to photoblog that protest. Part of me thinks s/he might have done it to simply fulfil an expectation or please an audience. But I do wonder why s/he went to the protest other then to photograph weirdos. I remember years back Zombie defending gay marriage along with abortion in the comments here. So it seems odd that s/he'd do that photoblog other than to please a crowd.
Maybe I have it wrong.
554 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:50:07am |
re: #546 Dark_Falcon
Every time Kirk Cameron lies for Jesus about Evolution, another Bearsharktopus gets it's tentacles.
557 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:51:14am |
re: #222 karmic_inquisitor
I remember getting attacked by Ploome on a thread where Killgore was challenging Robert Spencer (years back). I was backing up Killgore - he was asking reasonable questions - and the thread went apoplectic. Ploome did the whole "spit" thing and told me I must be a jew hating Muslim.
There have been some pretty fucked up people who used to post here.
Ploome pretty much took my head off one day in a discussion of whether Muslim kids were allowed to pray in public schools. There were some issues there.
558 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:52:49am |
re: #556 freedomplow
And you.
Sorry, but I've engaged with your circular "logic" in the past before. I don't care to now. You just don't get it.
559 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:55:57am |
re: #557 SanFranciscoZionist
Ploome pretty much took my head off one day in a discussion of whether Muslim kids were allowed to pray in public schools. There were some issues there.
Having most of your family murdered can do that to you. At an amateur guess, I'd say Ploome has PTSD.
560 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:56:05am |
re: #553 karmic_inquisitor
That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
And again, it might be as simple as pandering to an audience, throwing them the redmeat she knows they crave. Wacky photos of wacky libs, wacky photos of wacky gay people. Whatever.
Pretty sure zombie herself/himself supports gay marriage, for one thing.
At any rate-- some kind of skewing is going on, IMO.
562 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:58:53am |
re: #548 freedomplow
Yes, I was warning you. I've seen a number these fights go down. The only way the person who is throwing insults avoids a bar on posting (temporary or permanent) is by logging off and settling down. I mean this as honest advice, I'm not trying to mock you.
563 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:00:25am |
re: #258 marjoriemoon
I'm assuming Kenyans don't have them?
Depends on social class, I suspect, at least in that era. But even if Obama's mother had given birth in Kenya (which she did not, this is a hypothetical), I can only assume she would have had the baby get all his shots when they got home. These people have run out of straws to grasp, and are now just acting out.
564 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:00:46am |
re: #561 freedomplow
Willful mischaracterization. That's a symptom of second stage butthurt.
566 | Neutral President Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:01:27am |
re: #564 Dark_Falcon
Willful mischaracterization. That's a symptom of second stage butthurt.
The third stage of butthurt is when Stinky puts his foot up their ass.
567 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:01:29am |
re: #556 freedomplow
And you.
Ah, we've entered the "NeenerNeener!" and "I know you are but what am I, huh?" School of Debate.
Clearly the Bitching Hour has struck, in your corner of the world.
568 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:02:15am |
re: #558 Gus 802
Sorry, but I've engaged with your circular "logic" in the past before. I don't care to now. You just don't get it.
He's just sticking his tongue out at us now. It's pathetic. He's probably posting on 2.0 right now under another name, saying - "hey guys look at that cool freedomplow, telling Jimmah and Iceweasel to blow him! Isn't he coool? He's like totally owning them all with his logics 'n' stuff."
569 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:03:30am |
re: #561 freedomplow
I am not seeing how you are getting this:
re: #561 freedomplow
Oh I get it. You don't like me disagreeing with you. You want me banned.
Dictators are disgusting human beings.
From this:
re: #558 Gus 802
Sorry, but I've engaged with your circular "logic" in the past before. I don't care to now. You just don't get it.
It doesn't make sense.
570 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:03:46am |
re: #565 freedomplow
I don't want your advice.
If you don't want to take some friendly advice, that's up to you.
Keep being antagonistic like this and you can just FOAD...
571 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:04:07am |
re: #277 J.D.
Oh.
Right.I spoke to an Iraqi woman who said she'd had one.
That sort of surprised me.
Iraq had a fairly large middle class for most of the twentieth century. I was reading, some time ago, a really interesting post by an Iraqi blogger about an interview she'd done with a woman in her neighborhood who was recalling when the first TV sets started to show up in Baghdad.
572 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:04:43am |
re: #564 Dark_Falcon
Willful mischaracterization. That's a symptom of second stage butthurt.
That's "Throbbing" butthurt, to give it's technical classification.
573 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:06:19am |
re: #280 elclynn
I saw the speech before the Cabinet. It was more illustration then anything. He was speaking about the considerable cost of benefits for immigrants foisted by government on the Dutch populace. He was being sarcastic more then he was demanding a tax on hijab. One of the cabinet members stepped up and asked, same sarcasm, if he would tax hydrogen peroxide. He likened the Cabinet to a bunch of people riding around in a Mini Cooper always going left even when they saw a sign saying they would run into a swamp. Quite a few of the Cabinet members were laughing at the cleverness of his speech. Maybe you should fact check it.
When you're as consistently nasty about Muslims as Wilders, this sort of thing does not come off as funny.
574 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:07:26am |
re: #565 freedomplow
I don't want your advice.
Then please do me a favor.
I was recently debating the same two people that you were. Except that I was pleading the case for more decorum, and you are pleading the case for less,
This is my final post on the subject (so far):
re: #611 Jimmah
Wingnuts are welcome to try their hand at the snark - they don't know how to do it propererly though; when they do they usually come across as genuinely nasty and fucked up, normally involving the racism, sexism, and homophobia you mentioned. Read their blogs - many of these people are busy calling the rest of the country wookies, whores and faggots among other things, and they'd be doing that whether they were getting called teabaggers or not.
So again, defending this is a waste of energy. Thinking that they'll play nice if we extinguish all mirth directed at them is just not grown up politics - its fairy tale stuff and would achieve nothing. So, I'll continue to poke fun at these chumps using the term 'teabaggers' will continue to play a part in that.
That is your free choice, of course.
My view upon it is that if I allow others to drag me down onto the low road, I am playing on their turf, and they will eventually resort to depths to which I am unwilling to stoop and remain myself.
However, if I choose to take the high road, they must follow me there, and elevate their discourse to a point that they are unable to sustain, while remaining themselves.
And if my choice results in a favorable change in their unseemly tactics and methods, and maybe even in their perspective, that is all to the good.
Now I'll be the first one to admit that I have not always been able to live up to this ideal. Yet I continue to consider it a fine ideal to strive for, nontheless.
Sal: Now look at your past several posts. Do you detect any difference?
575 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:07:44am |
Wow, was just looking through a blog called Wizbangblog. It's chock full of racist and misogynistic comments. Just add a racial or misogynistic slur in front of the word "site" to the link provided to view.
576 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:08:28am |
re: #566 ArchangelMichael
The third stage of butthurt is when Stinky puts his foot up their ass.
Lol. Stages of grief and butthurt:
1. Denial — "I feel fine."; "This can't be happening, not to me."
Denial is usually only a temporary defense for the individual. This feeling is generally replaced with heightened awareness of situations and individuals that can cause butthurt.2. Anger — "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; "Who is to blame?"
Once in the second stage, the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue. Because of anger, the person is very difficult to care for due to misplaced feelings of rage and envy. Any individual that symbolizes the butthurt is subject to projected resentment and jealousy.3. Bargaining — "Just let me comment so my friends can see me flounce"; "I'll do anything for a few more comments."; "I will give my life savings if..."
The third stage involves the hope that the individual can somehow postpone or delay butthurt. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made with a higher power in exchange for a reformed posting style. Psychologically, the person is saying, "I understand I will suffer butthurt, but if I could just have more time..."4. Depression — "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to be banned . . . What's the point?"; "I miss my loved one, why go on?"
During the fourth stage, the butthurt person begins to understand the certainty of chronic butthurt. Because of this, the individual may become silent, refuse helpful advice from DF and spend much of the time crying and grieving. This process allows the butthurt person to disconnect himself from things of love and affection. It is not recommended to attempt to cheer an individual up that is in this stage. It is an important time for grieving that must be processed5. Acceptance — "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."
This final stage comes with peace and understanding of the butthurt that is approaching. Generally, the person in the fifth stage will want to be left alone. Additionally, feelings and physical pain may be non-existent. This stage has also been described as the end of the butthurt struggle.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
578 | Neutral President Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:09:57am |
I would like to dedicate to tonight's pain in the ass, the latest 'catchy tune' (LOL) from the world of industrial music.
/I'm so playing this if I ever get a chance to DJ again
579 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:11:47am |
re: #577 freedomplow
I don't care about your links. Someone else may. You should at least apologize to Iceweasel but I doubt you will. I'm sure you'll just respond to this with some snarky comment.
580 | freetoken Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:11:54am |
re: #577 freedomplow
Maybe it's the stuff I post in the links...
You posted something in the links... in this thread? I didn't see it.
581 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:13:21am |
re: #371 Conservative Physicist
No, but a political one would be. I really think these gun protests are more about gun control or losing their 2nd amendment rights.
No one's losing their 2nd Amendment rights. The fact that people think they might be is just one more indication that these folks are losing their ever-loving minds.
"We came unarmed this time" and the tree of liberty quote are hard to interpret as anything but semi-veiled threats.
582 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:13:39am |
re: #577 freedomplow
Would you please quit it with the martyr act? We don't want you get banned, we you want to stop behaving badly.
584 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:14:37am |
re: #577 freedomplow
A few people here want me banned is that it?
In your paranoid mind, that is it. I have not seen anyone here voice an opinion that would support your little conspiracy theory.
585 | Sharmuta Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:15:08am |
re: #577 freedomplow
Wow, Dude. People are trying to help you, and you're still freaking out.
587 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:15:52am |
re: #578 ArchangelMichael
I would like to dedicate to tonight's pain in the ass, the latest 'catchy tune' (LOL) from the world of industrial music.
/I'm so playing this if I ever get a chance to DJ again
AM, you rock. Srsly.
588 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:17:24am |
re: #580 freetoken
You posted something in the links... in this thread? I didn't see it.
He's butthurt about Charles telling him the other day that one of his spin off links was utter shite and didn't belong here.
589 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:17:30am |
re: #575 Gus 802
Wow, was just looking through a blog called Wizbangblog. It's chock full of racist and misogynistic comments. Just add a racial or misogynistic slur in front of the word "site" to the link provided to view.
I've looked there a couple of times, and my impression and what I've heard elsewhere is that it's kinda like the IndyMedia of the right-- does that sound right?
591 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:18:51am |
re: #585 Sharmuta
Wow, Dude. People are trying to help you, and you're still freaking out.
Stage two Butthurt, as DF noted:
1. Denial — "I feel fine."; "This can't be happening, not to me."
Denial is usually only a temporary defense for the individual. This feeling is generally replaced with heightened awareness of situations and individuals that can cause butthurt.2. Anger — "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; "Who is to blame?"
Once in the second stage, the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue. Because of anger, the person is very difficult to care for due to misplaced feelings of rage and envy. Any individual that symbolizes the butthurt is subject to projected resentment and jealousy.
592 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:18:58am |
re: #583 freedomplow
The new intolerant mob.
Gus 802, iceweasel, Jimmah, karmic_inquisitor, Salamantis
It was the French phenomenologist Paul Ricoeur who said that the one thing that tolerant people could not in all good conscience tolerate is the coercive intolerance of others.
Trying to slime them into silence by the use of gratuitous epithets is a form of intolerant verbal coercion.
All that is being requested is that you endeavor to conduct your discourse on the plane of ideas, and not descend into the gutter of attacking or namecalling people.
593 | Sharmuta Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:19:02am |
re: #590 freedomplow
You've cut me to the quick. I don't know how I'll survive. Especially considering I've never stated any desire for leadership. Woe is me.
594 | Neutral President Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:19:06am |
re: #587 iceweasel
I started what will probably prove to be an expensive attempt to update my music library in the aforementioned genre to stuff released after 2003. I stumbled on this jewel yesterday.
595 | freetoken Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:19:38am |
re: #588 Jimmah
He's butthurt about Charles telling him the other day that one of his spin off links was utter shite and didn't belong here.
thx
596 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:20:24am |
re: #583 freedomplow
The new intolerant mob.
Gus 802, iceweasel, Jimmah, karmic_inquisitor, Salamantis
Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it infamy!
597 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:20:47am |
re: #586 freedomplow
Add You to the list too.
Change your behavior! Now!
You might as well add me to you "enemies list", because you've been acting like a complete asshole for the ass-end of this thread. All we want you to do is to step back, chill out, and calm down for a while so you don't get the stick.
However, my advice is worth as much as you paid for it, so make up your own mind.
598 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:20:56am |
re: #589 iceweasel
I've looked there a couple of times, and my impression and what I've heard elsewhere is that it's kinda like the IndyMedia of the right-- does that sound right?
It sounds familiar but I'm not too familiar with it. There's some troll in a dead thread right now named Jay Tea that's trying to interrogate KT silently about the Hot Air debacle. The site is full of miscreants that they don't clean up. I'm sure it's the usual far-right masked as conservatism bullshit.
599 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:20:56am |
re: #590 freedomplow
Not going to take any advice from you. Read a lot of your comments and they have no leadership qualities.
Her comments don't have 'leadership qualities'? Do you even know how you sound at this point?
600 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:21:32am |
re: #421 Thanos
What are you trying to say here Sharm? That Z photoshopped the Folsom street Fair or something? Well they did. There's a version with the grosser parts blotted out.
I lived in SF for a few years, Zombie's not "cherry picking" anything, I saw similar crazy many times while I lived there. You might not agree with Zombie, but "fraudulent" is over the top.
Zombie's photo essays are not fradululent, but they are selective. They show themes, and they show funny, shocking, and significant things. There are a shitload of ordinary-looking people who show up at anti-war demos with signs that say things like "Troops Out Of Iraq". These people do not make Zombietime because they are dull.
But if you are going to say that the protest signs from 9/12 that we've been seeing are 'cherry-picked', then so are Zombie's. This is not meant as criticism of Zombie, but if you're gonna say that you can't judge the DC protesters on the basis of the signs we've seen, then you cannot judge the people in SF on the basis of Zombie's work. End of story.
602 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:24:35am |
re: #600 SanFranciscoZionist
Zombie's photo essays are not fradululent, but they are selective. They show themes, and they show funny, shocking, and significant things. There are a shitload of ordinary-looking people who show up at anti-war demos with signs that say things like "Troops Out Of Iraq". These people do not make Zombietime because they are dull.
But if you are going to say that the protest signs from 9/12 that we've been seeing are 'cherry-picked', then so are Zombie's. This is not meant as criticism of Zombie, but if you're gonna say that you can't judge the DC protesters on the basis of the signs we've seen, then you cannot judge the people in SF on the basis of Zombie's work. End of story.
Agreed...as as far as the 9/12 pics go, even Charles has said (IIRC) the kooks weren't representative of everyone there, but that there were a metric shit-ton of kooks there, from the protesters to the organizers.
603 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:25:25am |
re: #590 freedomplow
Obviously you lack the ability to discern the difference between disagreement and "a call for banning".
I think you are looking for a self fulfilling prophecy, pushing all the right buttons until you do get banned, so you can wave the flag of the martyr after the fact.
605 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:27:37am |
re: #601 freedomplow
No I want to follow you now.
That's a shock.
My geekspeak brings all the boys to the yard...
606 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:27:55am |
re: #603 Slumbering Behemoth
Obviously you lack the ability to discern the difference between disagreement and "a call for banning".
I think you are looking for a self fulfilling prophecy, pushing all the right buttons until you do get banned, so you can wave the flag of the martyr after the fact.
For real, FP...just chill out and relax, because it'd be stupid to get this worked up over relatively nothing...
607 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:29:09am |
re: #602 talon_262
Agreed...as as far as the 9/12 pics go, even Charles has said (IIRC) the kooks weren't representative of everyone there, but that there were a metric shit-ton of kooks there, from the protesters to the organizers.
Difference is the 9-12 protests were mostly kooks. That simply is not true about antiwar protests.
608 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:30:07am |
re: #457 ArchangelMichael
I don't believe that it was the intention of Zombie to use that event to make broad generalizations about gays. IIRC, his/her whole point of covering the event was to document proof that people were having sexual intercourse in public, outdoors in broad daylight. The event organizers, the SFPD, and the San Francisco media all denied this, so he/she went to get evidence.
If there was an implied "all teh gheyz are leik this!!11!" I did not catch it.
There has certainly been such an inference made by people other than Zombie.
609 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:30:37am |
610 | BryanS Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:30:44am |
re: #607 iceweasel
Difference is the 9-12 protests were mostly kooks. That simply is not true about antiwar protests.
uhhh...that's not what I saw. There were just as many, if not more, bush=hitler signs as there are over the top obama signs for the 9-12 thing
611 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:31:32am |
re: #604 freedomplow
I hope that's not a flounce. Because I do want you to come back after a short time has passed. Relax, reflect, then return.
612 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:31:37am |
re: #605 iceweasel
Honestly? I'm more interested in your "milkshake". Don't hate me because I am carnal.
613 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:32:46am |
re: #611 Dark_Falcon
Roger that, FP...just log off, go to bed, and come back with fresh eyes in the morning.
614 | Neutral President Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:33:01am |
re: #608 SanFranciscoZionist
There has certainly been such an inference made by people other than Zombie.
Cant argue with that. I'm sure that photo essay plays much different in California than it would in Bumsville Iowa.
615 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:34:09am |
re: #614 ArchangelMichael
Cant argue with that. I'm sure that photo essay plays much different in California than it would in Bumsville Iowa.
Not to be confused with a village in Egypt...;~)
617 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:35:19am |
re: #615 Salamantis
Not to be confused with a village in Egypt...;~)
I've been to BFE...it can be quite refreshing ;-P
618 | freetoken Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:35:22am |
re: #611 Dark_Falcon
I hope that's not a flounce.
Was it? I couldn't tell... which means if it was a flounce it didn't really come with many calories.
619 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:35:23am |
re: #502 karmic_inquisitor
Good point.
For middle America, the Folsom Street Fair pics present a distortion. But if you look at things from the standpoint of generating shock, the pictures are of events that did happen and that are intrinsically shocking. Misleading? To the extend they are intended to represent a whole - absolutely. But as artifacts of what that whole goes along with and has "metabolized" to a degree, I don't think they are misrepresentations.
So far Zombie hasn't felt a need to cover the seedier parts of straight life in SF, and believe me, baby, we got it. And the 'whole' goes along with it, and 'metabolizes it'. And the 'mainstream press' does not report on it. So without telling Zombie what to photograph, I still feel a little justified in being frstrated by what people seem to take away from the Folsom Street Fair report.
620 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:36:23am |
re: #612 Slumbering Behemoth
Honestly? I'm more interested in your "milkshake". Don't hate me because I am carnal.
Dazzle em with my milkshake, baffle em with my geekspeak. It's my secret triple punch, baby!
Don't hate me for being thinky and kinky, okay? :(
621 | freetoken Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:36:55am |
re: #616 freedomplow
"To flounce" is to demonstrably tell someone off... a form of protest ... usually directed at someone/something that controls the situation.
622 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:37:18am |
re: #616 freedomplow
I should get flounced for that? Are you kidding?
I don't have to reflect on anything I have said.
Nice spin.
I think DF (as did I) thought that sounded like a flounce of sorts and were asking you to just chill and sleep on it.
623 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:37:56am |
re: #616 freedomplow
For the third time, I don't want you to get banned! There is a difference between saying that someone is behaving poorly and wanting that person thrown out.
624 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:38:21am |
re: #620 iceweasel
Kinky gets better with thinky.
625 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:38:48am |
re: #559 Dark_Falcon
Having most of your family murdered can do that to you. At an amateur guess, I'd say Ploome has PTSD.
I wouldn't say you were wrong there.
626 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:38:51am |
I wonder if Jimmah and Iceweasel better appreciate my stance regarding gratuitously derogatory epithets, after having been placed in the position of having to labor to make the selfsame point themselves to someone else...;~)
627 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:38:56am |
re: #619 SanFranciscoZionist
So far Zombie hasn't felt a need to cover the seedier parts of straight life in SF, and believe me, baby, we got it. And the 'whole' goes along with it, and 'metabolizes it'. And the 'mainstream press' does not report on it. So without telling Zombie what to photograph, I still feel a little justified in being frstrated by what people seem to take away from the Folsom Street Fair report.
That's another issue of mine. It's not like SF doesn't have a seedy het community to cover, but it doesn't get covered. Not only does Zombie not cover it, she doesn't even mention its existence.
So-- frustrating. yeah.
628 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:39:43am |
re: #626 Salamantis
I wonder if Jimmah and Iceweasel better appreciate my stance regarding gratuitously derogatory epithets, after having been placed in the position of having to labor to make the selfsame point themselves to someone else...;~)
hey, we updinged you, didn't we? :)
629 | Neutral President Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:39:50am |
re: #619 SanFranciscoZionist
The specific event I was referring to was his/her coverage of the "Up Your Alley" Fair, which as far as I know, is a totally different event from the Folsom Street Fair. Just for clarity.
630 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:40:16am |
re: #620 iceweasel
Some geekgrrls got it going on... ;-)
631 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:41:29am |
re: #628 iceweasel
hey, we updinged you, didn't we? :)
Then I will gratefully consider the matter closed.
633 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:41:49am |
re: #626 Salamantis
I wonder if Jimmah and Iceweasel better appreciate my stance regarding gratuitously derogatory epithets, after having been placed in the position of having to labor to make the selfsame point themselves to someone else...;~)
I see a big difference Sal between the two cases Sal, but hey - nice try :)
634 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:42:50am |
re: #616 freedomplow
You don't "get flounced", you flounce. DF was just trying to offer some friendly advice, obviously expressing the desire that you cool off and keep your membership privileges here.
635 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:44:03am |
re: #633 Jimmah
I see a big difference Sal between the two cases Sal, but hey - nice try :)
Our own epithets are always less offensive to us and easier for us to defend than those of others with whom we disagree. And we want to defend them more.
636 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:44:11am |
re: #614 ArchangelMichael
Cant argue with that. I'm sure that photo essay plays much different in California than it would in Bumsville Iowa.
Also, if you're local, you know about Folsom, and looked up pictures a long time ago if you wanted to. Dude in Bumsville has only one piece of info, and no context.
637 | freetoken Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:44:18am |
re: #632 freedomplow
Your post indicated some confusion over what "flounce" means... the banner doesn't flounce, the ban-nee is the flouncer.
638 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:44:35am |
re: #634 Slumbering Behemoth
You don't "get flounced", you flounce. DF was just trying to offer some friendly advice, obviously expressing the desire that you cool off and keep your membership privileges here.
Hell, FP ain't listening, he's got his mind set that we're trying to get him booted (when that's not what's going on at all)...I'm assuming he's grown, so it's all on him now.
639 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:45:04am |
re: #635 Salamantis
Our own epithets are always less offensive to us and easier for us to defend than those of others with whom we disagree. And we want to defend them more.
Quite Concur.
640 | theheat Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:45:07am |
re: #15 wee fury
His parents are no doubt proud of the little tool they've forged. Ten bucks says he's homeskoold, so those libruls don't get a chance to put any crazy notions in his head. Nossir, they'll keep pushing those good family values all by their lonesome.
Spits.
641 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:46:10am |
re: #635 Salamantis
Our own epithets are always less offensive to us and easier for us to defend than those of others with whom we disagree. And we want to defend them more.
There is a difference between mocking a group that willingly called themselves teabaggers, as a group-- and taking offence at a dickhead who told two specific individuals to blow him.
642 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:47:58am |
re: #632 freedomplow
Delusions of persecution. That's a sign that the butthurt has progressed to stage 3. The sufferer has decided the world is out to get them. For examples see Rather, Dan and Beck, Glen.
643 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:48:04am |
re: #637 freetoken
Your post indicated some confusion over what "flounce" means... the banner doesn't flounce, the ban-nee is the flouncer.
The flouncers flounce themselves, Stinky (the bouncer) bounces them.
pretty obv, really.
644 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:48:53am |
re: #641 iceweasel
There is a difference between mocking a group that willingly called themselves teabaggers, as a group-- and taking offence at a dickhead who told two specific individuals to blow him.
Yeah, but mocking them by referring to a derogatory connotation that they did not intend and of which they were unaware is still less than a shining, sterling paragon of principled political discourse.
645 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:49:17am |
re: #627 iceweasel
That's another issue of mine. It's not like SF doesn't have a seedy het community to cover, but it doesn't get covered. Not only does Zombie not cover it, she doesn't even mention its existence.
So-- frustrating. yeah.
I don't care if it's covered or not--if I want to see what's going on at the Fetish Ball, I can buy a ticket--but I am frustrated by the suggestion that stuff like Folsom or Up Your Alley is being 'covered up' and needs investigating. Not clear to me if that's actually Zombie's goal, but it's been the conclusion many have come to.
Also, it's NOT JUST SF! Stuff like this goes on in every major city in the US, Canada and Europe.
646 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:49:42am |
re: #641 iceweasel
There is a difference between mocking a group that willingly called themselves teabaggers, as a group-- and taking offence at a dickhead who told two specific individuals to blow him.
True. Sal knows that, I would expect. He said he considered the matter closed, I advise that it not be reopened.
647 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:50:23am |
re: #636 SanFranciscoZionist
Also, if you're local, you know about Folsom, and looked up pictures a long time ago if you wanted to. Dude in Bumsville has only one piece of info, and no context.
Yep.
Up Your Alley is also a tiny affair comparatively, and fetish oriented, and there are tons of similar (but hetero) events happening...which zombie hasn't covered.
648 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:50:35am |
re: #632 freedomplow
Thanks for schooling me and everyone else you thought was stupid..
Oh, you're just being annoying, aren't you? What on earth is up with this silliness?
649 | Neutral President Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:51:32am |
re: #647 iceweasel
Yep.
Up Your Alley is also a tiny affair comparatively, and fetish oriented, and there are tons of similar (but hetero) events happening...which zombie hasn't covered.
They are probably a mockery of "everything that is good, decent, and wholesome" too.
650 | theheat Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:51:43am |
651 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:51:52am |
re: #648 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, you're just being annoying, aren't you? What on earth is up with this silliness?
Its just butthurt, SFZ. He's annoyed at us for calling him out for bad behavior and so he's acting out.
652 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:52:00am |
re: #645 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't care if it's covered or not--if I want to see what's going on at the Fetish Ball, I can buy a ticket--but I am frustrated by the suggestion that stuff like Folsom or Up Your Alley is being 'covered up' and needs investigating. Not clear to me if that's actually Zombie's goal, but it's been the conclusion many have come to.
Also, it's NOT JUST SF! Stuff like this goes on in every major city in the US, Canada and Europe.
Hey, SFZ, I;m on your side here-- I'm only mentioning SF because zombie's excuse presumably would be that SF is her local area.
It happens everywhere in every major city in all the places you mention, of course.
654 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:53:11am |
re: #649 ArchangelMichael
They are probably a mockery of "everything that is good, decent, and wholesome" too.
Zealously so. They also require a lot of costume acquisition. (I have friends who love this stuff. I swear, I'd be kinkier if there wasn't so much sewing involved.)
655 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:54:02am |
re: #652 iceweasel
Hey, SFZ, I;m on your side here-- I'm only mentioning SF because zombie's excuse presumably would be that SF is her local area.
It happens everywhere in every major city in all the places you mention, of course.
I was yelling with, not yelling at. ;) Or yelling in addition to.
656 | Neutral President Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:55:24am |
Mancow is the gift that keeps giving. I get a lot of miles out of that "mockery of everuthing that is good, decent, and wholesome" line.
658 | theheat Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:55:57am |
re: #654 SanFranciscoZionist
No Kidding! I like to sew and "make stuff", and I was absolutely floored at the cottage industries of making all this assorted fetish/role playing crap - everything from tiaras and eflwear to bondage. They even have costuming awards, like they do for motion pictures. Talk about an eye opener.
661 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:57:36am |
re: #655 SanFranciscoZionist
I was yelling with, not yelling at. ;) Or yelling in addition to.
The sewing...and the damn rules! :)
Here's my favourite fun fact for people who try to claim urban coastal lib types are the depraved ones...
Utah Leads Nation in Online Porn Purchases
Heh.
662 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:58:01am |
re: #656 ArchangelMichael
Mancow is the gift that keeps giving. I get a lot of miles out of that "mockery of everuthing that is good, decent, and wholesome" line.
It's a good line, especially given the crazed context in which he delivered the line. By the end of that segment, Alex Jones was backing away slowly.
664 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:58:44am |
665 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:59:11am |
re: #649 ArchangelMichael
They are probably a mockery of "everything that is good, decent, and wholesome" too.
Speaking of which...:D
666 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 1:59:19am |
re: #660 freedomplow
DF has consistently been the person trying hardest to be nice to you and give you good advice.
Don't let facts interfere with your need for a a flameout.
667 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:00:01am |
re: #661 iceweasel
The sewing...and the damn rules! :)
Here's my favourite fun fact for people who try to claim urban coastal lib types are the depraved ones...
Utah Leads Nation in Online Porn Purchases
Heh.
I bet they sell twice as many wetsuits as the rest of America as well ;-)
668 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:00:02am |
re: #661 iceweasel
The sewing...and the damn rules! :)
Here's my favourite fun fact for people who try to claim urban coastal lib types are the depraved ones...
Utah Leads Nation in Online Porn Purchases
Heh.
Denizens of other states have less of a need to obtain online what is more readily available IRL...;~)
669 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:00:09am |
re: #660 freedomplow
If you can point to where I liked you, Dan or Beck it would be greatly appreciated.
You seem to be the least likable person in the mix.
Why? Because you were trying to be a smart ass.
To a writer who is part of my gaming group:
"Better a smartass than a dumbass."
670 | Neutral President Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:00:41am |
re: #662 Dark_Falcon
It's a good line, especially given the crazed context in which he delivered the line. By the end of that segment, Alex Jones was backing away slowly.
I talked to one of the people who puts that event on last weekend and he told me next year the theme is probably going to be post-apocalyptic. I think I might try to track down some Mad Max looking shit and go to it if the GF doesn't veto.
673 | Sharmuta Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:03:01am |
re: #671 freedomplow
I am not going to take any advice from you.
I thought she was your new leader...? That could dampen the dynamic.
675 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:04:39am |
Who here knew that plowing is an ancient euphemism for intercourse?
676 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:05:31am |
678 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:05:58am |
re: #675 Salamantis
Who here knew that plowing is an ancient euphemism for intercourse?
[raises hand]
679 | Sharmuta Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:06:45am |
re: #674 freedomplow
I can't even deal with you anymore. Said you were leaving, and you don't... I can't keep watching you dig that hole, Dude.
680 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:07:37am |
re: #677 freedomplow
That was very sarky and intelligent. Right?
French president Sarkozy is indeed intelligent, but I'm not sure whether he knows that fact or not.
681 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:08:51am |
re: #674 freedomplow
I have dynamic now?
Nope - you're just boring, actually. I'll be ignoring the rest of your pointless tantrum.
683 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:09:33am |
684 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:09:50am |
re: #669 Dark_Falcon
To quote a writer who is part of my gaming group:
"Better a smartass than a dumbass."
PIMF
685 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:09:54am |
re: #667 Jimmah
I bet they sell twice as many wetsuits as the rest of America as well ;-)
Well, given their propensity to wear two wetsuits....
Honestly, what's up with that? Some kind of repression expression, as mentioned above?
That story makes me sad, actually. It's just fucked up that so many people are so twisted inside and scared that they can't tell their wife or partner what they're into.
Oh well. Here's some animal sex!
687 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:10:29am |
re: #682 freedomplow
That would be difficult because you're not even on your own side.
New concept I'm sure.
688 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:10:36am |
689 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:11:17am |
The difference between the religiously devoted and the religiously fanatical is that the religiously fanatical says "God is on my side" while the religiously devoted says "I am on God's side."
693 | freetoken Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:14:05am |
I see that the stalkers are cheering on freedomplow.
I wonder why?
694 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:14:31am |
re: #690 freedomplow
That was kind of stupid.
I expected a comment like that along those lines. See, like I said before. Circular logic. I've seen you do this before, Barney.
695 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:17:00am |
re: #685 iceweasel
Well, given their propensity to wear two wetsuits....
Honestly, what's up with that? Some kind of repression expression, as mentioned above?
That story makes me sad, actually. It's just fucked up that so many people are so twisted inside and scared that they can't tell their wife or partner what they're into.
Yep - that's the story I was thinking of with that comment!
Oh well. Here's some animal sex!
Heh - that reminds me of one of my favourite Onion stories :
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
697 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:18:57am |
699 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:20:00am |
700 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:21:36am |
re: #698 Sharmuta
Is it wrong that I'm laughing?
Nope. After a certain point you can't help it. FP has clearly decided to pick a fight. I can't stay in that fight any longer, since its past 4am here.
Good Night, all.
701 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:22:52am |
re: #700 Dark_Falcon
Nope. After a certain point you can't help it. FP has clearly decided to pick a fight. I can't stay in that fight any longer, since its past 4am here.
Good Night, all.
Later DF. It's been fun actually.
702 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:24:55am |
"The secret I am seeking lies hidden in a valley full of olive trees, under the grass and the cold violets, around an old house that smells of wood smoke. For more than twenty years I rambled over that valley and others resembling it, I questioned mute goatherds, I knocked at the doors of deserted ruins. Occasionally, at the moment of the first star in the still bright sky, under a shower of shimmering light, I thought I knew. I did know, in truth. I still know, perhaps. But no one wants any of this secret; I don't want any myself, doubtless; and I cannot stand, apart from my people. I live in my family, which thinks it rules over rich and hideous cities built of stones and mists. Day and night it speaks up, and everything bows before it, which bows before nothing: it is deaf to all secrets. Its power that carries me bores me, nevertheless, and on occasion its shouts weary me. But its misfortune is mine, and we are of the same blood. A cripple, likewise, an accomplice and noisy, have I not too shouted among the stones? Consequently, I strive to forget, I walk in our cities of iron and fire, I smile bravely in the night, I hail the storms, I shall be faithful. But perhaps someday, when we are ready to die of exhaustion and ignorance, I shall be able to disown our garish tombs and go and stretch out in the valley, under the same light, and learn for the last time what I know."
Albert Camus, the final paragraph of Return To Tipasa
from The Myth of Sisyphus and Other Essays
703 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:31:23am |
"A skilful literary artist has constructed a tale [short story]. If wise, he has not fashioned his thoughts to accommodate his incidents; but having conceived, with deliberate care, a certain unique or single effect to be wrought out, he then invents such incidents [or embellishes them] – he then combines such events as may best aid him in establishing this preconceived effect. If his very initial sentence tends not to the outbringing of this effect, then he has failed in his first step. In the whole composition there should be no word written, of which the tendency, direct or indirect, is not to the one pre-established design. And by such means, with such care and skill, a picture is at length painted which leaves in the mind of him who contemplates it with a kindred heart, a sense of the fullest satisfaction. The idea of the tale has been presented unblemished, because undisturbed; and this is an end unattainable in the novel. Undue brevity is just as exceptionable her as in the poem; but undue length is yet more to be avoided" (bracket contents mine).
"Were we called upon however to designate that class of composition which, next to…a poem…should best fulfill the demands of high genius – should offer it the most advantageous field of exertion – we should unhesitatingly speak of the prose tale…We allude to the short prose narrative, requiring from a half-hour to one or two hours in its perusal. The ordinary novel is objectionable, from its length…As it cannot be read at one sitting, it deprives itself, of course, of the immense force derivable from totality."
"The true critic will but demand that the design intended be accomplished, to the fullest extent, by the means most advantageously applicable."
Edgar Allen Poe
From his review of Nathaniel Hawthorne's short story collection Twice-Told Tales
705 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:32:04am |
706 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:34:53am |
"The result, however, of this first reflection on Freedom would be to rule it out altogether. If indeed it is the case that our freedom is the same in all our actions, and even in our passions, if it is not to be measured in terms of our conduct, and if the slave displays Freedom as much by living in fear as by breaking his chains, then it cannot be said that there is such a thing as Free action, Freedom being anterior to all actions...We may say in this case that freedom is everywhere, but equally nowhere...the idea of action, therefore, disappears: nothing can pass from us to the world, since we are nothing that can be specified, and since the non-being which constitutes us could not possibly find its way into the world's plenum. (From nothing, nothing comes.) There are merely intentions followed immediately by effects...the very idea of choice vanishes. For to choose is to choose something in which freedom sees, at least for a moment, a symbol of itself. There is free choice only if freedom comes into play in its decision, and posits the situation chosen as a situation of freedom. A freedom which has no need to be exercised because it is already acquired could not commit itself in this way: it knows that the next instant will find it, come what may, just as free and indeterminate. The very notion of freedom demands that our decision should plunge into the future, that something should have been done by it, that the subsequent instant should benefit from its predecessor and, though not necessitated, should at least be required by it. If freedom is doing, it is necessary that what it does should not be immediately undone by a new freedom. Each instant, therefore, must not be a closed world; one instant must be able to commit its successors and, a decision once taken and action once begun, I must have something acquired at my disposal, I must benefit from my impetus, I must be inclined to carry on...Unless there are cycles of behavior, open situations requiring a certain completion and capable of constituting a background to either a confirmatory or transformatory decision, we never experience freedom. The choice of an intelligible character is excluded, not only because there is no time anterior to time, but because the idea of an initial choice involves a contradiction. If Freedom is to have room in which to move, if it is to be describable as freedom, it must have a field, which means that there must be special possibilities, or realities which tend to cling to being."
"If a friend and I are standing before a landscape, and if I attempt to show my friend something which I see and which he does not yet see, we cannot account for the situation by saying that I see something in my own world and that I attempt, by sending verbal messages, to give rise to an analogous perception in the world of my friend. There are not two numerically distinct worlds plus a mediating language which alone would bring us together. There is - and I know it very well if I become impatient with him - a kind of demand that what I see be seen by him also. And at the same time this communication is required by the very thing which I am looking at, by the reflection of sunlight upon it, by its color, by its sensible evidence. The thing imposes itself not as true for every intellect, but as real for every subject who is standing where I am."
Maurice Merleau-Ponty
from Phenomenology of Perception
707 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:37:21am |
"What prohibits me from treating my perception as an intellectual act is that an intellectual act would grasp the object either as possible or as necessary. But in perception it is "real"; it is given as the infinite sum of an indefinite series of perspectival views in each of which the object is given but in none of which is it given exhaustively. It is not accidental for the object to be given to me in a "deformed" way, from the point of view (place) which I occupy. That is the price of its being "real"...Thus, there is a paradox of immanence and transcendence in perception. Immanence, because the perceived object cannot be foreign to him who perceives; transcendence, because it always contains something more than what is actually given...the perceived thing itself is paradoxical; it exists only in so far as someone can perceive it. I cannot even for an instant imagine an object in itself...I wish only to point out that the accusation of contradiction is not decisive, if the acknowledged contradiction appears as the very condition of consciousness."
"Whether or not I have decided to climb them, these mountains appear high to me, because they exceed my body's power to take them in its stride, and...I cannot so contrive that they be small for me. Underlying myself as a thinking subject...there is...a natural self which does not budge from its terrestrial situation and which constantly adumbrates absolute valuations. What is more, ny projects as a thinking being are clearly modeled on the latter...in so far as I have hands, feet, and body, I sustain around me intentions which are not dependent upon my decisions and which affect my surroundings in a way which I do not choose...it is clear that, one and the same project being given, one rock will appear as an obstacle, and another, being more negotiable, as a means...The probable is...in the perceived world. The mountain is great or small to the extent that, as a perceived thing, it is to be found in the field of my possible actions, and in relation to a level which is not only that of my individual life, but that of 'any man'. Generality and probability are not fictions, but phenomena; we must therefore find a phenomenological basis for statistical thought. It belongs necessarily to a being which is fixed, situated and surrounded by things in the world."
"From the depths of my subjectivity I see another subjectivity invested with equal rights appear, because the behavior of the other takes place within my perceptual field. I understand this behavior, the words of another; I espouse his thoughts because this other, born in the midst of my phenomena, appropriates them and treats them in accord with typical behaviors which I myself have experienced. Just as my body, as the system of all my holds on the world, founds the unity of the objects, which I perceive, in the same way the body of the other - as the bearer of symbolic behaviors and of the behavior of true reality - tears itself away from being one of my phenomena, offers me the task of a true communication, and confers on my objects the new dimension of intersubjective being or, in other words, of objectivity."
"The For-Themselves - me for myself and the other for himself - must stand out against a background of For-Others - I for the other and the other for me. My life must have a significance which I do not constitute; there must strictly speaking be an intersubjectivity; each one of us must be both anonymous in the sense of absolutely individual, and anonymous in the sense of absolutely general. Our being-in-the-world is the concrete bearer of this double anonymity."
more Maurice Merleau-Ponty
from Phenomenology of Perception
708 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:37:57am |
709 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:39:30am |
"When an individual plays a part he implicitly requests his observers to take seriously the impression that is fostered before them. They are asked to believe that the character they see actually possesses the attributes he appears to possess, that the task he performs will have the consequences that are implicitly claimed for it, and that, in general, matters are what they appear to be."
"One cannot judge the importance of definitional disruptions by the frequency with which they occur, for apparently they would occur more were not constant precautions taken. We find that preventive practices are constantly employed to compensate for discrediting occurrences that have not been successfully avoided. When the individual employs these strategies and tactics to protect his own projections, we may refer to them as 'defensive practices'; when a participant employs them to save the definition of the situation projected by another, we speak of 'protective practices' or 'tact'. Together, defensive and protective practices comprise the techniques employed to safeguard the impression fostered by an individual during his presence before others. It should be added that while we may be ready to see that no fostered impressions would survive if defensive practices were not employed, we are less ready perhaps to see that few impressions could survive if those who received the impressions did not exert tact in their reception of them."
Sal: considering all the unmitigated crapola being spewed on this thread, I figured I'd post a few quotes worth peoples' time to read...;~)
710 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:39:30am |
712 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:41:04am |
Oh; that last post was from The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life, by Erving Goffman.
713 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:42:12am |
714 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:43:59am |
re: #710 Gus 802
Andrew Breitbart - Voice Mail Crackup
Yay! I love that vid! Love those pics of breitblart, heh.
My fave is the one of him wearing a Snuggie and getting sloshed. hee.
715 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:44:47am |
Beautiful Ladies - Bill Bailey, in mockery of Chris De Burgh :
716 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:45:10am |
Ted Haggard Bashing Gays - from JESUS CAMP
Ted Haggard of course is infamous for leaving his church after being outed regarding a male escort.
Family values at work once again.
717 | freetoken Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:46:24am |
re: #713 Gus 802
Could be worse... could've been Matt Drudge.
718 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:46:27am |
One more short quote from Phenomenology of Perception by Maurice Merleau-Ponty and then I'll quit:
"We are always in a plenum, in being...I may defy all accepted form, and spurn everything, for there is no case in which I am utterly committed: but in this case I do not withdraw into my freedom, I engage it elsewhere...Far from its being the case that my freedom is always unattended, it is never without an accomplice, and its power of perpetually tearing itself away finds its fulcrum in my universal commitment in the world."
719 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:47:30am |
re: #714 iceweasel
Yay! I love that vid! Love those pics of breitblart, heh.
My fave is the one of him wearing a Snuggie and getting sloshed. hee.
Move over William F. Buckley! This is the new-voice of the conservative movement!
"Hey dude, like I'm a neo-con OK man dig it anyway like I was saying I ran into Mike Huckabee after talking with Andy Levy and he like told me that..." Andrew Notsobrightbart
720 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:47:47am |
re: #716 Gus 802
Ted Haggard Bashing Gays - from JESUS CAMP
Ted Haggard of course is infamous for leaving his church after being outed regarding a male escort.
Family values at work once again.
And here he is arranging to buy hard drugs from his gay escort lover:
721 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:48:44am |
re: #716 Gus 802
Ted Haggard Bashing Gays - from JESUS CAMP
[Video]Ted Haggard of course is infamous for leaving his church after being outed regarding a male escort.Family values at work once again.
Not just seeing a male escort. Seeing him more than once and snorting meth off the guy's ass. more than once.
Not making it up.
Why can't they be normal freaky like the rest of us?
722 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:48:57am |
re: #720 Jimmah
And here he is arranging to buy hard drugs from his gay escort lover:
Personal responsibility!
"Got any Oxycontin?" Rush Limbaugh
723 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:49:59am |
re: #721 iceweasel
Not just seeing a male escort. Seeing him more than once and snorting meth off the guy's ass. more than once.
Not making it up.
Why can't they be normal freaky like the rest of us?
Wow. I had forgotten about this.
725 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:52:26am |
re: #721 iceweasel
Why can't they be normal freaky like the rest of us?
Normal freaky? That shit is tame. The controversy is not in the activity, but in the MONUMENTAL hypocrisy.
726 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:53:26am |
re: #723 Gus 802
Wow. I had forgotten about this.
Not me. I don't forgive, or forget, when it involves fundies who are oh so into condemning gay people for being out (unlike them), and looove to take away birthcontrol/abortion and otherwise punish straight women for having sex.
Here's a clip of Haggard bashing gay people, from Jesus Camp
727 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:54:11am |
728 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:54:40am |
re: #721 iceweasel
Not just seeing a male escort. Seeing him more than once and snorting meth off the guy's ass. more than once.
Not making it up.
Why can't they be normal freaky like the rest of us?
Ted Haggard meets Richard Dawkins...and instabutthurt ensues :
729 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:55:41am |
re: #727 Salamantis
And yet this is Richard Dawkins' interview with Ted Haggard:
Sheesh!
I wonder if he as all methed up for this.
731 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:57:19am |
732 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:59:00am |
re: #728 Jimmah
Ted Haggard meets Richard Dawkins...and instabutthurt ensues :
[Video]
InstaButthurt? Isn't he a blogger? :)
733 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:59:37am |
re: #727 Salamantis
re: #728 Jimmah
With a hotline to the president.
And here these thumpers keep telling us that Richard Dawkins is the "sinner."
Oh what greater irony. These people need to look straight in the mirror. But from what we've seen recently regarding LGF and the blogosophere I won't hold my breath. These people are masters in double standards.
734 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:59:46am |
re: #729 Gus 802
Knowing what I know of the drug, I would say that it is a distinct possibility.
735 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 3:01:19am |
re: #727 Salamantis
What a psycho. You can tell that Dawkins is sober.
736 | Salamantis Sun, Sep 20, 2009 3:04:41am |
re: #735 Gus 802
What a psycho. You can tell that Dawkins is sober.
But Ted looks more wired up than a Chriatmas light display.
Tweak City.
737 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Sep 20, 2009 3:04:49am |
738 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 3:05:40am |
re: #736 Salamantis
But Ted looks more wired up than a Chriatmas light display.
Tweak City.
It was even uncomfortable to watch. Kind of odd that no one ever noticed.
739 | Gus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 3:10:42am |
Good night... morning.
I'm sure we put up enough fodder for the thumpers to grind their teeth down by 2 inches.
Nothing that a deep intellectual speech from Carrie Prejean couldn't heal followed by some entertaining discourse by Mike Huckabee.
Later!
740 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 20, 2009 3:16:08am |
re: #736 Salamantis
To his credit, he doesn't give off much Tweaker Sign. But he does have some "crazy mouth" going. And a tiny bit of "crazy eye".
741 | wiffersnapper Sun, Sep 20, 2009 3:34:27am |
Fluoride in the water rocks. I appreciate it.
742 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Sep 20, 2009 3:42:42am |
re: #741 wiffersnapper
You would, you friggin' commie RINO!
///
743 | smr33 Sun, Sep 20, 2009 4:59:57am |
re: #1 Killgore Trout
Beat me to it. I cannot believe the anti-fluoride crazies are back. That's so 1980's, isn't it (or maybe even 1970's)?
744 | Figgles Sun, Sep 20, 2009 5:54:37am |
A nit pick: I don't see the anti-abortion sign as crazy at all. You may find it disagreeable or silly, but there's no explicit or latent threat nor any other extreme rhetoric on display. What God does, if you so choose to believe, isn't our call anyhow -- though His followers may feel the urge to remind. I understand the bias here anyway from religion, but the inclusion of that photo with the other clearly nutty photos is consistent with a reflex I thought LGF is trying to roundly criticize?
745 | funky chicken Sun, Sep 20, 2009 6:16:22am |
re: #744 Figgles
A nit pick: I don't see the anti-abortion sign as crazy at all. You may find it disagreeable or silly, but there's no explicit or latent threat nor any other extreme rhetoric on display. What God does, if you so choose to believe, isn't our call anyhow -- though His followers may feel the urge to remind. I understand the bias here anyway from religion, but the inclusion of that photo with the other clearly nutty photos is consistent with a reflex I thought LGF is trying to roundly criticize?
Yeah, she looks like God to me. God's kinda let himself go lately, I suppose. It must be all that baby blood screaming up from the ground.
746 | Cato the Elder Sun, Sep 20, 2009 6:23:53am |
747 | ob1knob Sun, Sep 20, 2009 6:28:52am |
I think it is important to remember the 2nd amendment is there to protect our right to armed revolution. I also don’t think it hurts to remind the political elite from time to time either. I don’t necessarily like the tone the debate has taken, but perhaps this is what the country needs.
Don’t forget, we have CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS … to remind us that there is a crazy side to the right.
748 | Cato the Elder Sun, Sep 20, 2009 6:55:48am |
re: #419 Shug
Something has changed in these comments threads.
and hardly anybody stuck up for Zombie.Charles, you're a cool guy.
all the bestsome of you folks need to get out more
:)
Was that a flounce?
749 | Figgles Sun, Sep 20, 2009 6:59:53am |
re: #745 funky chicken
Yeah, she looks like God to me. God's kinda let himself go lately, I suppose. It must be all that baby blood screaming up from the ground.
Snark: check. Argument: ?
750 | funky chicken Sun, Sep 20, 2009 7:14:31am |
re: #749 Figgles
Um, dude? You don't see any extremism in the picture. I'm not going to "argue" with you. The woman is obviously degranged and obsessed with a single issue.
It's sad, and perhaps it's even sadder that such people are encouraged by the "pro-life" movement in their obsession.
751 | Figgles Sun, Sep 20, 2009 7:37:33am |
re: #750 funky chicken
Um, dude?
I appreciate the rephrase.
We honestly don't know if she's "encouraged" by others; I offer is she's her own person, expressing her own views. I've commonly read the sentiment about a encouragement on the pro-life side, but what I've seen from my friends active in that community, is they do so despite greater social pressure not to do so. It's good to actually personally know the group you wish to lambast before lambasting them. If you'd rather not for then the circle of enmity has merely grown a notch.
My bigger point is that the inclusion of this image suggests, and your post seems consistent with this, is where to draw the line on what is "crazy." "Blood screaming up from the ground" (or whatever the phrase was) is a paraphrase from the Bible. I'm sure there's those here that feel the entire book is crazy; I don't. If it is mainstream for LGF to consign Christendom to the crazy bin, it is within Charles' right to continue such an aspect but it does diminish his spotlight on fringe antics.
If the impulse is to reign in extremist rhetoric (one with which I'd love to see happen), where and how to do so is a big sticky thorn. That shouldn't put the brakes on the process, but it should sober our pride in our efforts. We shouldn't don the plastic halo, and point to the other nasty people, when we engage in it ourself.
752 | RetiredE9 Sun, Sep 20, 2009 8:30:20am |
Wow. I have to say that I didn't see any of these signs during the day and I walked around a lot taking photos of signs. I saw one of the "Bury Obamacare with Ted Kennedy" and one with swastikas but none like those shown here.
How confident are we that all these signs are from the same demonstration?
And if they were at the demonstration wouldn't the fact that most of them are handmade indicate that they represent a very, very small minority of the main sentiments?
753 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Sep 20, 2009 9:03:01am |
"Fluoride in the water is a Communist plot"
A blast from the past, which got a loud LOL from me.
Absolutely classic Bircherism (and the guy looks old enough too!)
754 | cgn38navy Sun, Sep 20, 2009 9:25:53am |
re: #189 Charles
1. I don't see the rascism. I thought that was just a silly and longwinded way of asking "Does she think her shit doesn't stink?" Our political discourse is getting a little thinned skinned. Laura Bush and Hillary Clinton had to put up with much worse than that. So did Condoleeza Rice for that matter.
2. Those same people holding the signs are the same people who work in police departments, hospitals, and firestations all around the country. They have a right to political speech. Period. So do the lefty protesters who work at universities, unions, and hippy communes. (joke)
I appreciate the photo journalism of the tea parties as much as I appreciated zombies photo journalism of the big lefty rallies.
3. IMHO people who revel in the fall of preachers when they sin, or act on perverted or self destructive impulses, have little compassion or empathy. Love the sinner hate the sin. Everyone one is failible, except maybe for some LGF posters who seem to take delight the failure of someone who tried to make the world a better place.
4. Charles, I think that one of the reasons so many on the right are disagreeing with you is that there seems to be a false sense of moral superiority on this blog. Many comments that i've read here lateley assign a "kook" or "racist" motivation to people they disagree with. (Glenn Beck is a perfect example of this). That is not neccessarily the case.
755 | Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 20, 2009 9:39:02am |
re: #754 cgn38navy
1. I don't see the rascism.
And you didn't see me accuse that comment of being "racist," either.
I thought that was just a silly and longwinded way of asking "Does she think her shit doesn't stink?" Our political discourse is getting a little thinned skinned. Laura Bush and Hillary Clinton had to put up with much worse than that. So did Condoleeza Rice for that matter.
And what was your reaction to it when Laura Bush was insulted? But now, it's "thin-skinned" to think it's over the top and wrong to post weird, ugly poems about Michelle Obama?
2. Those same people holding the signs are the same people who work in police departments, hospitals, and firestations all around the country. They have a right to political speech.
And I have a right to point out that they're behaving like raging nutjobs.
3. IMHO people who revel in the fall of preachers when they sin, or act on perverted or self destructive impulses, have little compassion or empathy. Love the sinner hate the sin. Everyone one is failible, except maybe for some LGF posters who seem to take delight the failure of someone who tried to make the world a better place.
If you're talking about Ted Haggard -- oh yeah, that's a guy who tried to make the world a better place, by ranting against gay people while secretly getting a whole lot of that same action for himself. And getting rich from it.
Many comments that i've read here lateley assign a "kook" or "racist" motivation to people they disagree with. (Glenn Beck is a perfect example of this). That is not neccessarily the case.
Glenn Beck is a Grade A prime kook, promoting ideas right out of the John Birch Society.
757 | Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 20, 2009 9:54:40am |
re: #752 RetiredE9
How confident are we that all these signs are from the same demonstration?
There's no doubt about it.
And if they were at the demonstration wouldn't the fact that most of them are handmade indicate that they represent a very, very small minority of the main sentiments?
How many hundreds of pictures would it take to convince you that it wasn't a tiny, tiny, teensy, eensy minority? I've seen more than enough (and posted dozens of the worst ones) to convince me that extremism and craziness was totally accepted at this event.
758 | RetiredE9 Sun, Sep 20, 2009 10:29:07am |
Re: #757
Oh please Charles, If there had been even a few every news program in the country would have had "news at 11" shots that night. The MSM is already out to portray the Tea partiers as nutjobs and a bunch of signs like these would have been mother's milk to them. That they didn't indicates to me that there weren't enough to get indignant about.
The event struck me more as a Sunday outing on the mall. I was frankly a bit disappointed there wasn't more fevor in the demonstrators.
I was there and I only saw the two I mentioned. I don't deny that there were probably some but I didn't see any nor did anyone in my group , admittedly only 4.
extremism and craziness was totally accepted at this event.
Sorry, I certainly didn't get that feeling. I saw a mostly polite group of people who feel they are becoming irrelevant and wanted to let someone know about it. I spoke to two MPD officers on the mall and they said that all reports were that the crowd was well behaved..
I'm sorry you saw some part of the crowd that I apparently missed.
759 | Sir C Sun, Sep 20, 2009 10:38:51am |
"If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated."
760 | josephus Sun, Sep 20, 2009 12:08:17pm |
I personally like Obama and I think that all Americans should be proud to have an African American as President. With that said, there are 12 heinous signs out of 75 000 (we'll use the Fire department estimate) lets assume that at least 10 times as many people felt the same way. That would mean there are 1200 hideous and racist signs. That means 1.6% of people share these views. If 1.6% of people in a democracy represent these reprehensible feelings, then I say hooray for democracy. The fringe are marginal at best. So why do people focus on these idiots and give them a larger voice.
There are as many ridiculous/racist/embarrassing signs of protest today as ther were when Bush was in office. Lets look at this relatively. The majority of tea party attendees are regular people including whites blacks and hispanics. The signs are clearly wrong, but, the strategy to demonize "teabaggers" will backfire next November. Here's why! The Alinsky playbook, although extremely effective, only works in settings where the general populace are indifferent and apathetic to government and government officials (read Chicago politics). The Alinsky rules stress not folding one's tent in the face of adversity, so I don't see Axelrod - oops - I mean Obama changing course. These protests clearly show that the Alinsky rules do not apply to an involved and impassioned populace that is not indifferent and actually cares about its fate.
Having been a visitor of this site for about 4 years, I hope that my post is not censored or removed.
761 | DobermanBoston Sun, Sep 20, 2009 2:09:06pm |
Re:Ear Candling-
I was a live sound engineer for over ten years. Because I made my living with my ears, and because my overexposure to high sound pressure levels increased my wax levels, I am intimately acquainted with ear wax build up and removal.
An over the counter ear wax removal kit (drops and a rubber bulb syringe), is cheap, safe, and absolutely the way to go 90% of the time. If it doesn't work then you've got severe buildup. Your primary care doctor can get rid of that in a single visit with more elaborate instruments.
Candling can injure you and is widely considered quackery within the audio professional community.
762 | AuldTrafford Sun, Sep 20, 2009 3:59:10pm |
re: #751 Figgles
I have suspected for some time that LGF is not in the pro-life camp. I have not seen a definitive statement one way or the other (but I have not read every comment - so, may have missed it), and I could be wrong. Whether or not I am wrong, LGF is, it goes without saying, entitled to that opinion - or whatever opinion LGF holds, if it holds any opinion on the issue.
Nevertheless, I find including the abortion-protest sign in with the others - without more of an explanation as to why it is in the group - puzzling. True, the sign includes the word "blood", and a form of the verb "scream" (which, I suspect you are right about - that it is a paraphrase from one of the most powerfully written books ever known to man); however, the sign does not threaten violence - but decries it (albeit emphatically).
Bottom line: if the Department of Homeland Security has concerns about those displaying the other signs shown, it would not alarm me. If the DHS has concerns about the woman displaying the anti-abortion sign, I have real concerns. Commenters here could probably quibble about the woman's rationality (I tend to think she has not displayed irrationality, but see room for argument), but if we find her display in the same class as the other protesters, I think we are perhaps worried about her political position rather than the threat she poses.
763 | AuldTrafford Sun, Sep 20, 2009 4:16:29pm |
I see I've been down-dinged three times. Anyone care to say why? Do you see the holder of the sign as a threat to the security of our nation? Do you feel threatened by the sign or its holder? Do you disagree about the political position she holds? Do you feel she has abused her First Amendment rights, and that her conduct should be regulated? Or do you just find my comment disagreeable?
Just curious.
764 | freetoken Sun, Sep 20, 2009 4:28:05pm |
I just find your statement:
I have suspected for some time that LGF is not in the pro-life camp
... strange for someone who joined almost 2 years ago.
765 | AuldTrafford Sun, Sep 20, 2009 4:32:27pm |
re: #764 freetoken
Why? Did I miss where LGF has taken a position (perfectly possible)? Or strange that I have a suspicion? Or strange because two years is not long enough? Or too long? Sorry, I'm not sure I understand.
If the statement is offensive, I withdraw it, and apologize.
766 | freetoken Sun, Sep 20, 2009 4:34:30pm |
re: #765 AuldTrafford
There is a search button here... on the top right of the page. All one has to do is search for "abortion" and it should become pretty clear after only a little reading what the position of the blog owner is on this topic.
767 | AuldTrafford Sun, Sep 20, 2009 4:53:22pm |
re: #766 freetoken
OK. The first thread I find is on Michele Bachmann, "Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), always a dependable source of loony rants". She is pro-life. I will keep looking.
Next a series of threads on the Tiller murder. I don't see an opinion on abortion discussed there. (I agree with LGF's position on murder, incidentally.)
Then, on Sotomayor: Anti-Abortion Kooks Interrupt Sotomayor Hearing. Well, of course that doesn't say everyone against abortion is a kook. So, back to the search. ...
Many more threads on the Tiller murder.
Then, "Limbaugh Stuck on Fail" - again on Sotomayor. Limbaugh is pro-life; Sotomayor's position is unknown, I believe. Don't see an LGF position here (although, in fairness, the "stuck" wording implies criticism of Limbaugh) ...
Then a discussion of Obama at Notre Dame. Obama is pro-abortion, and the threads (IMO only) treat Obama favorably; however, not necessarily on the substance of the abortion issue ...
A couple threads show up on Sarah Palin. Palin is a well-known pro-life advocate. I do not see LGF's position stated here.
OK; sorry, I'm apparently not doing this correctly. I think I'm seeing some reinforcement for what I've already admitted is my own unfounded suspicion. Could you help me out and just tell me, since you are obviously familiar with the answer?
Incidentally, you were not one of those who down-dinged me, but I appreciate your willingness to discuss the points.
768 | freetoken Sun, Sep 20, 2009 5:16:28pm |
re: #767 AuldTrafford
So, given your research, what can we conclude?
769 | AuldTrafford Sun, Sep 20, 2009 5:20:42pm |
re: #768 freetoken
The main thing I conclude is that I am not finding the answer you said is there. My fault, I just don't have more time. Do you conclude anything (other than conclusions about the quality of my research)?
If you won't tell ... how about another clue?
770 | Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 20, 2009 5:25:52pm |
re: #769 AuldTrafford
I'll tell you outright, because I'm not trying to hide anything and I never have.
I am NOT on the side of people like that woman you see above. I strongly believe that women should have the ability to determine what happens with their own bodies. I am strongly pro-choice. I want abortion to remain legal in this country.
Does that answer your question?
771 | AuldTrafford Sun, Sep 20, 2009 5:28:45pm |
re: #770 Charles
Yes, of course.
I disagree with your opinion, but respect it. Sorry to have expressed a "suspicion" - and did not mean that phrasing to connote disrespect for your opinion. If I came across that way, I apologize.
772 | AuldTrafford Sun, Sep 20, 2009 5:41:19pm |
re: #770 Charles
Also - just curious: did you downding my #762 because of my wording; because you are pro-choice; or, because you see something more threatening in the sign or its holder than I did? Or for some other reason?
774 | Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 20, 2009 9:48:07pm |
re: #773 IdeaLover
It's now appropriate to call you "gone."
775 | freetoken Sun, Sep 20, 2009 10:14:15pm |
re: #769 AuldTrafford
I thought it would have been clear, after 8 years of posts by Charles, what his beliefs were. Just because someone doesn't come out with an explicit policy statement (though I see Charles afforded you one) doesn't mean one can't conclude after dozens of posts on the subject what a writer believes.
776 | Throbert McGee Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:15:11am |
re: #389 austin_blue
But how about the one, "I'll take God and Guns you can have Obama" What's wrong with that?Well, let's see. They can't "take" what they already have. They can't "give" to others what they already have. Obama is the president of everyone in the country, like it or not (and they obviously don't).
Hi, I'm Throbert McGee -- and you must be Amelia Bedelia, America's most literal-minded maid! The thing is, Amelia, that "I'll take A, you can have B" is what we call a figurative usage, with the meaning "I like A, but don't like B very much." Generally speaking, people who use it understand that there's no actual "taking" and "giving" involved -- yes, even though it may seem as silly to you as when the lady you clean for told you to "dust the furniture" when she really meant "un-dust the furniture." English is a very funny language!
re: #389 austin_blue
The statement is vacant, intellectually bankrupt, and quite frankly, a rock dumb non sequiter.
The first two charges are matters of opinion, but factually speaking, the sign's statement is not a non sequitur -- it's a humorous riff on Obama's own remark that people in certain parts of the country "cling bitterly to guns and religion." When I say "humorous," I'm certainly don't mean to say that it was hilariously witty or anything -- but it's perfectly evident that the guy had that specific Obama quote in mind when he made the sign.
777 | Throbert McGee Mon, Sep 21, 2009 2:20:37am |
I'm still trying to figure out what was "extremist" about that third picture, where the man's sign says "I'll take God and Guns" and the woman's turns "O.B.A.M.A." into a disparaging acronym. Seems totally within the "Normal" range of partisan name-calling that is perennially a part of American politics.
For that matter, I don't think that the sentiment on the sign held by the anti-abortion protester is "extremist", although I'd wager that the woman herself probably DOES have "extremist" views, given that she went to the time and trouble of bringing such an Off Topic sign to an event where abortion wasn't even a tertiary focus. But since the "blood of babies" placard avoids calling for a total, uncompromising, nationwide ban on abortion, and merely suggests that God disapproves of the practice, the statement itself is pretty far from representing the radical side of the pro-life movement. QED, the sign isn't extremist.
778 | AuldTrafford Mon, Sep 21, 2009 6:07:41am |
re: #777 Throbert McGee
* * *For that matter, I don't think that the sentiment on the sign held by the anti-abortion protester is "extremist", although I'd wager that the woman herself probably DOES have "extremist" views, given that she went to the time and trouble of bringing such an Off Topic sign to an event where abortion wasn't even a tertiary focus. But since the "blood of babies" placard avoids calling for a total, uncompromising, nationwide ban on abortion, and merely suggests that God disapproves of the practice, the statement itself is pretty far from representing the radical side of the pro-life movement. QED, the sign isn't extremist.
Abortion is an issue that tends, I believe, rather readily to produce "extremist" views because there are really only two positions: for or against. One can strive for a "moderate" approach by trying to carve out cases where one is opposed and where one is not opposed (health-of-mother; incest; etc.); however, these cases (in my opinion) tend to be either extremely rare or illusory (health-of-mother, for example: physical health of the mother is almost never threatened by a pregnancy given today's medical science, while discussion of "mental health" is often a euphemism for explicit choice).
[War, on the other hand, is an example of an issue on which it is much easier to be moderate or extreme at one end or the other (specific wars, less so). Health care reform, of course, tends to produce a continuum of positions varying considerably along the spectrum.]
How one intends to achieve his political ends - i.e., through violence as opposed to political persuasion - is another, separate matter. So, I understand classifying the abortion protester as an "extremist"; I do not understand finding her position threatening. Emphatic, yes.
779 | Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 21, 2009 9:16:00am |
re: #777 Throbert McGee
But since the "blood of babies" placard avoids calling for a total, uncompromising, nationwide ban on abortion, and merely suggests that God disapproves of the practice, the statement itself is pretty far from representing the radical side of the pro-life movement. QED, the sign isn't extremist.
The sign says she cannot "bless" her own country. That kind of sentiment is an extremist sentiment -- no less than when leftists carry signs saying things like "F--- the troops."
780 | Charles Johnson Mon, Sep 21, 2009 9:17:21am |
re: #778 AuldTrafford
How one intends to achieve his political ends - i.e., through violence as opposed to political persuasion - is another, separate matter. So, I understand classifying the abortion protester as an "extremist"; I do not understand finding her position threatening. Emphatic, yes.
That's a straw man. I never said the sign was "threatening" ... the only person applying that label to it is you.
781 | psawyer Mon, Sep 21, 2009 11:50:26am |
Look at the expressions on these peoples faces. They don't look dangerous to me. They look like they are having a good time.
782 | auldtrafford Mon, Sep 21, 2009 12:54:14pm |
re: #780 Charles
re: #778 AuldTraffordHow one intends to achieve his political ends - i.e., through violence as opposed to political persuasion - is another, separate matter. So, I understand classifying the abortion protester as an "extremist"; I do not understand finding her position threatening. Emphatic, yes.
That's a straw man. I never said the sign was "threatening" ... the only person applying that label to it is you.
No, you did not say the sign was threatening. You did, however, include the picture of the sign with others which appeared to be posted for their threatening nature (I am recalling the discussion of the DHS report on dangers posed by right-wing extremists).
I readily admit I may be missing your point by including the picture of the pro-life sign. I am guessing.
If the sign was not threatening, why did you include the picture with the others? What is the common thread?